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After Irene and Sandy, Climate Change, Yes or No?
This week's Conversation Starter is about the question of whether Irene last year and Sandy this year have persuaded you to give the question of climate change and global warning another look.
Michio Kaku is a theoretical physicist at the City University of New York. He appeared for a segment last week on CBS This Morning to discuss the question of global climate change in the wake of Superstorm Sandy, which bashed parts of Manhattan, the Jersey Shore and other regions of the country hard on Monday and Tuesday.
Are you a believer? What do you think about the question of whether mankind is having an effect on the global climate? Does the fact that a giant hurricane, Irene, and another one combined with two other weather systems, Sandy, pounded the northeast in just 14 months?
Kaku's basic premise was this: Get used to so-called "100-year storms" and "100-year floods" happening more often. Because the trends that track energy (heat) in the atmosphere, the energy that causes the the kind of weather we saw on the east coast last week—well, those trends are only rising, not falling.
I'm simplifying his point of view. Click the links and hear more.
Beyond that, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg made headlines in the midst of the recovery efforts last week when he—a former Republican who now calls himself an independent—endorsed Democrat President Barack Obama.
In a Reuters news report published on the Chicago Tribune last week, Bloomberg expressed his view that Obama has taken steps to reduce carbon consumption and GOP challenger Mitt Romney has not.
"Our climate is changing," said the article, quote Bloomberg's views written in an opinion article for Bloomberg View. "And while the increase in extreme weather we have experienced in New York City and around the world may or may not be the result of it, the risk that it might be - given this week's devastation - should compel all elected leaders to take immediate action."
Kaku told CBS This Morning host Charlie Rose that he was not always a proponent of the idea of global climate change, but he's been persuaded—along with the overwhelming majority of what he referred to as "credible scientists."
What do you think? Should we be taking global climate change seriously? Do the horrible storms, not to mention wicked tornodoes of the recent season, affect your views? Should politicians be taking the issue seriously?
Al Mount
7:00 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Global warming is a Natural cycle, it is not man made.
The Ice Age started & ended with NO, repeat NO help from humans.
It is a money making scheme promoted by liberals.
Al Gore is making a fortune over this BS.
Roger Hughes
8:57 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I think you will at least agree that our planet is warming up. The fact of the matter is 97% of accredited scientific organizations agree that we have never had the man made levels of hydrocarbons which we now have. Our petroleum industry had done an efficent job of confusing public opinion which false scientific information.
Wilma Flintstone
7:07 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Agree Climate change/global warming is about money.
3:24 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Correct, that is why Kochs and Exxon spend $$$ funding phony denier groups.
7:20 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
In my opinion there is no question man is contributing to climate change, But there are still doubters out there that include scientists who select certain time periods to look at and claim the temperature is actually dropping, and others who believe it is happening but think it's a natural fluctuation and man can't do anything about it.
It's not just climate change, though. Acidification of the oceans is something that is also happening which has no other explanation than mankind releasing CO2 into the atmosphere. The waters are already to acidic for oysters to make shells in the Pacific Northwest. The trend will continue, but people feel unaffected by things that are so far away.
Politicians must take this seriously and laws need to be passed to enact change; too many people will not change voluntarily as they don't want to have to examine what they are doing and actually change their behaviors, and too much of it is influenced by big oil lobbyists. We are up against a wall and out of time.
It makes sense to get involved...this is not "radical", it is "radical" to sit back and do nothing and continue to make excuses as to why nothing needs to change. We cannot sustain the lifestyle we currently have without consequences: http://www.350.org/
Phil Gonzalez
7:47 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Climate change is caused by taking the surface temperature at airports. Yep, the heat islands of cities & their airports is where the temperature readings are coming from.
10,000 years is a short time in Earth's geological history. Do you know where Chicago was just 10,000 short years ago? Under at least 1,000 feet of ICE!!
The shores of Florida were 60 miles further out into the Gulf of Mexico.
It is the epitome of arrogance to assume puny humans have any thing to add to Earth's temperature.
Al Gore & other politicians & politically connected businessmen will make TRILLIONS $$$ off this legislation.
How long ago were the north & south poles sporting palm trees & elephants & other tropical flora & fauna?
This past years heat is DIRECTLY CAUSED BY A SOLAR CORONAL MASS EJECTION.
In other words, the Sun shot a Tongue of Atomic Fire aka plasma of nuclear energy of over 2 million degrees F in temperature and straight at Earth.
These are the facts.
Larry Lazar
7:56 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Phil, that is not correct. Temperature readings are taken at a wide variety of locations, including both urban and rural. Urban and rural regions show the same warming trend.
It does not matter whether Chicago was or wasn't under ice 10,000 years ago (it wasn't). What does matter is that the climate is changing right now - on our watch, and we are the cause of the change.
Becca Christensen
5:38 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012
Phil - the answer to your question "How long ago were the north & south poles sporting palm trees & elephants & other tropical flora & fauna?" is, that NEVER happened. Get some valid scientific information before you make judgement calls on scientific ideas.
Citizen Smith
7:25 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Michio Kookoo is part of the Al Gore liberal/progressive money printing machine.
Crying green this/green that, while jetting around the country on private jets that belch plenty of pollution with only a handful of passengers. Can you say hypocrites?
Mick Manzio
7:26 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Climate Change, based on 'carbon in the atmosphere' primarily has been predicted now by scientists for over 25 years. If you want expert advice on this, I know it's not my field, and i know that politicians don't know. When NASA's top scientist says, that with our current carbon emissions (fossil fuel consumption), we will see a planet that is increasingly less inhabitable by humans. Don't forget the ocean too. 3/4 of world is ocean, and the acidity of the ocean is 30% greater since industrial revolution (http://newswatch.nationalgeographic.com/2009/12/15/acidification/) 30%!! this did not just accidentally happen.
Do I know what's fact/fiction, "No!"...but i would rather put my trust in the top scientists from around the world than a politician ANY day! These politicians are receiving billions and billions of lobbyist money...that included Dems and GOP.
Climate Change was NOT even mentioned in this election process. I don't even have children...i do not see how those with children can not choose whom to listen to "Science", "The laws of physics" , or your neighbor or politician.
Larry Lazar
2:54 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I agree with your analysis. I wrote a blog about the Insanity of Science on climate change at the link below.
The Missourian
7:44 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
All you climate change denyers, I have one question for you:
dAre YOU a climate scientist? Are you a scientist at all? If not, then shut the hell up as you have ZERO basis for challenging ideas that have been developed, reviewed, challenged, and comfirmed by years of rigorous scientific research and peer review. The scientific community is in widespread agreement that climate change is real, accelerated by mankind releasing carbon into the atmosphere, and that it is a threat to political and economic stability. That means massive disruption of coastal populations, conflict over resources, and war. We can work together and try to solve these problems, or act like a bunch of ignorant f___heads by denying something that is plainly evident.
Personally, I think the science denyers have no faith in mankind's ability to solve challenging problems - in other words a bunch of defeatist deadweight. And I have zero tolerance for defeatists.
Phil Gonzalez
7:50 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
W don't have to be scientists to KNOW THE TRUTH. We know liars & lies and when people espousing Global Warming lies stand to make Trillions of Dollars off the Carbon Trading system, you should doubt their sincerity also.
Climate change caused by man is insignificant.
The temperatures are recorded in cities which are known heat islands.
1:22 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Missourian, you've already expressed your ignorance 4 times. I presume you are not a global warming scientist. Therefore you should, by your account, keep your opinions to yourself. I am not either, but I have studied the issue and reserve to myself the right to comment. FYI there has been no global warming since 1997. Look it up, it's true. However, I believe we will have periods of warming and cooling as we have had for millions of years and someday maybe we will have oranges growing in Missouri. "Warmers" forecasts for hurricane destruction have been an embarrassment for years. Sandy is a storm, they happen, we learn to live with them. Only scientists who are on the dole from governments and carbon credit investors like Gore are willing to try to continue this con job. Oh, and some hacks like you who think it's a political issue.
The Missourian
2:02 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Ignorance? Political issue? Please.
Climate change is anything but a political issue. It is an observable, measureable, scientific phenomenon driven by increased CO2 in the atmosphere. The only people trying to politicize it are the oil industry, as it directly threatens the basis of their industry. And that's it. Re you reserving the right to comment, sure, you can ignore the fact that the vast majority of client scientist are in agreement that climate change is in fact occuring, and is in fact impacted by mankind, but it only makes you look like a fool. I defer to the experts on this one, and they say it's real. End of story. Unless you're a reputable climate scientist, there is no valid rebuttal.
2:05 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
As if science cannot be challenged at all, what a ridiculous position to hold. Ever heard of Piltdown Man? I'm a scientist. I learn something new every day. There simply has not been enough data and time to say that man is the cause of climate change. And THAT you can take to the bank.
Larry Lazar
2:49 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
lablady, you wrote:
Why would you make assertions on a topic that you have not studied or are not actively participating in?
Especially on a topic that has been accepted by every climate science related scientific organization in the world, and the National Academy of Science?
Note that there are no dissenting scientific organization with opposing views or no other credible explanations for the warming.
If you are indeed a "scientist", I'd hope you would have enough understanding of workings of science to accept the scientific consensus.
Larry Lazar
2:53 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Phil, you are correct in that there are liars. The liars are "dirty oil" companies who have spent hundreds of millions of dollars to cover up the evidence linking them to the corruption of our climate system.
The climate system has already deteriorated considerably and it's only going to get worse - much worse.
We CANNOT allow dirty oil and coal to continue to profit by polluting our atmosphere, wrecking the climate system and threatening our children's future.
We have a civic and patriotic responsibility to our nation and a moral responsibility to our kids and theirs to protect them before it's too late.
3:52 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
"the vast majority of client scientist are in agreement" (sic) that you are talking about are those making a living off of the Govt. grants driven by cap and trade investors.
1960-1969 a period of minor global cooling and dire predictions of glaciers in Chicago.
1970-1996 a period of minor global warming and BIG spending by govt s. to con the unsuspecting public to get cap and trade taxes passed.
1997-2011 a period of NO NET CHANGE in global temperatures and frantic changes to computer models.
Think about that. I'm not a "denier of climate change" but I'm just not falling for the CON.
6:07 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Mr. Lazar,
Referring to me as "lablady" is juvenile and has no place in a civilized discussion. If you'd read my comment again, I never said I didn't believe in climate change. The facts are as they are, and global temperatures are indeed rising. What is not clear is the root cause. Since climate change through the ages is established, even in times when it could not have been the work of man, clearly there is a natural cycle that we do not fully understand. Perhaps we're going through a cycle now.
So to reiterate, yes, I believe that climate change is real. I think there isn't enough time or data to determine if it the result of man's endeavors.
Larry Lazar
6:55 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
My sincere apologies. It was an honest misspelling of your moniker. It won't happen again.
I did read your comment and my response remains the same. As a scientist, you should know that it is irresponsible, and lacking in scientific integrity, to give a position that opposes the scientific consensus.
This prmary cause of this climate change is from man's activities. It's not me saying this, it's the National Academy of Science, NASA, NOAA and the IPCC.
Excerpt from The National Academy of Science" 2010 position statement on climate change:
"Climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for — and in many cases is already affecting — a broad range of human and natural systems"
Mick Manzio
8:03 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
The richest companies in the world are oil / gas companies. Do you not think they are padding some pockets.
I am trying to keep an open mind to all of this, too, but in doing so...i am deferring my source of opinion to the vast majority of scientists. Sure there will be exceptions (some scientists who disagree), but if the overwhelming majority are saying that the carbon emissions are affecting our atmosphere and the ocean's (which WILL result in change to land based life)...i'm sticking with the world's top scientists on this one.
Dirk Maas
8:07 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Joint_national_science_academies.27_statements), over 75 scientific bodies of national or international standing, including the US National Academy of Sciences, the Royal Society of the UK, the American Medical Association, the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences, the European Geosciences Union, the African Academy of Sciences, and the American Meteorological Society all agree that the climate is changing because of human activity. Would you throw out all that science? Are all those scientists corrupt or incompetent?
Regarding money: According to Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/global2000/#p_1_s_a0_All%20industries_All%20countries_All%20states_), 6 of the 12 largest companies in the world are petroleum companies. Who has the largest financial stake in this issue, liberals, or those who want to keep the status quo?
The Maya, the Anasazi, and the Easter Islanders are examples of societies that collapsed in large part because of environmental degradation. In effect, they committed suicide. Let's not go that way. We can start by getting facts about climate from climate scientists, not from George Will, lawyers at the Heartland Institute, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or other non-experts.
Mick Manzio
2:01 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Thanks for your research Dirk. That post pretty much says it all IMHO.
Thanks again.
Wilma Flintstone
8:16 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Could the Missourian actually be an infected hemmoroid?
The Missourian
8:27 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I ask again, are YOU a climate scientist?
This is not a political issue where you get to agree or disagree as to whether climate change is happening. Hint: it's happening.
The only decision you get to make is HOW to mitigate the climate change. HOW to reduce carbon entering the atmosphere. That is the only choice you get to be a part of.
8:27 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
No. In stark contrast to those who are spouting fantasy and nonsense, the Missourian appears to have functioning brain cells.
Wilma Flintstone
8:39 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
For people with open minds ... Here is a video that takes the other side of the debate. Science does not belong to scientist!
The Missourian
9:05 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
So....a youtube link of a video made on Xtranormal versus the vast majority of climate scientists. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Becca Christensen
5:43 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012
"Science does not belong to scientist!" - That is the most ridiculous comment on this thread. I don't even... WTF?!
Phil Gonzalez
8:39 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I actually studied weather science in college, as I wanted to be a climatologist, But I did not want to work for the military, so I changed my major to chemistry.
As usual, if you tell the truth, idiots attack your person. Just like politicians.
8:56 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Phil, what specifically are your credentials as a climate scientist? What was your degree?
I took a couple of Chemistry classes. I'm not a chemist. If you're claiming some level of expertise it would help your credibility if you clearly stated what your credentials are.
The fact is that there is consensus by climate scientists that mankind has a direct influence on climate change. Can you at least concede this? You may not agree with the conclusion but it is a fact that virtually all climatologists agree on that conclusion.
As such, do you really think it idiotic that anyone would trust the conclusions of highly-trained scientists that spend their careers studying the subject using the scientific method?
Wilma Flintstone
8:49 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Check out this video on YouTube:
And one video - only watch if you have an open mind
The Missourian
9:06 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
So....a youtube link of a video made on Xtranormal versus the vast majority of climate scientists. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Wilma Flintstone
9:19 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
A sure sign of true ignorance is a closed mind - especially on this topic. Wouldn't you agree hemmoroid, I mean Missourian ?
The Missourian
9:34 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Actually, I don't agree. I have seen the arguments against climate change, but the vast majority of scientific argument is for climate change. Thus I defer to the mass of climate scientists. That's what we call "trusting the people who have done the research and tested their hypotheses." Which in your world apparently means being "closed minded."
I think your name says a lot about how you think. Ignorant and stuck in the stone ages.
Becca Christensen
5:45 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012
Wilma, your persistence in calling Missourian names does nothing for your credibility. Try to remember that there are living, breathing people on the other end of your keyboard and constrain yourself to civil discourse.
Larry Lazar
10:29 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Climate Change is real, caused by man's activies and is a threat to human civilization as we know it (per the National Academy of Science).
We CANNOT allow dirty oil and coal to continue to profit by polluting our atmosphere, wrecking the climate system and threatening our children's future.
We have a civic and patriotic responsibility to our nation and a moral responsibility to our kids and theirs to protect them from climate change - before it's too late.
If you would like to learn more, please consider participating in a presentation that myself and my colleagues will be delivering to the Ethical Society of St. Louis on December 6 at 7pm
Or, follow my blogs on Climate Change some of which are linked below:
Profit by Deception: http://eureka-wildwood.patch.com/blog_posts/profit-by-deception
The Insanity of Silence: http://eureka-wildwood.patch.com/blog_posts/the-insanity-of-silence-human-caused-climate-change
What Climate Change means to Missouri:
I also organize a Meetup Group on Climate Change that meets regularly on various climate change related topics:
I am also a trained presenter on Climate Change and will gladly conduct a presentation and Q&A with intersted groups. Send me a note in the Patch if you are interested.
Margaret Eisenberger
6:52 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I'm glad to hear you will speaking at the Ethical Society. Looking forward to it!
James Schumaker
11:10 am on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Whether you believe that climate change is real or not, it is significant that most climate-change deniers have changed their position on the issue. Even the big oil companies, which in the past financed nearly all of the contrarian scientific studies concluding that there was no evidence for global warming, have shifted their position. Now they say that it is true that the climate is changing, but that it is a manageable "engineering problem." Rex Tillerson, the CEO of Exxon, recently advanced this position at the Council on Foreign Relations (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/06/27/507710/as-exxon-ceo-calls-global-warmings-impacts-manageable-colorado-wildfires-shutter-climate-lab/?mobile=nc ).
It is suspicious that the current spike in global temperatures closely tracks with the industrial revolution, and is outside the normal variations that might be expected if the current warming was part of a natural trend. Take a look at the 2000-year surface temperature chart ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png ). It's pretty disturbing.
5:20 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
"Wow, the debunked hockey stick chart"
What are you talking about? It certainly has not been debunked.
Larry Lazar
5:31 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
The Hockey Stick has been validated by about 7 different independent agencies and proven to be correct each time. In fact, there are many hockey sticks - enough to equip an entire team.
James Schumaker
10:54 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
Jim, the hockey stick chart, as you call it, has not been debunked. It was challenged briefly in the early 2000s by climate-change deniers, but their competing claims were thoroughly discredited by the scientific community. Since then, most scientific studies have validated the the hockey stick chart, although some have pointed out minor problems in the methodology of the study underlying the chart. A good summary of the controversy is at the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_controversy .
12:19 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
GOP mayor Michael Bloomberg endorse Obama, citing leadership on key issue of climate change.
Wilma Flintstone
12:21 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
The number one contributor to the greenhouse effect is water vapor not CO2 Can any one prove me wrong? This was the case in the stone ages as well. This why it feels warmer when humidity is high. The humidity hold the heat.
Larry Lazar
12:54 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
You are absolutely correct about water vapor Wilma. It is the largest contributor by far as it accounts for 60% of the greenhouse effect under clear conditions.
Which all the more reason why we should be concerned about global warming and why we need to limit CO2 emmissions - now.
Let me explain what is going on:
Water vapor is increasing because the temperature of the air is increasing. More air holds more water.
Why is the temperature of the air increasing? Because there is more CO2 in the atmosphere - which is the 2nd most important greenhouse gas.
This is known as the "water vapor positive feedback" effect and it adds to the problem of global warming.
Here is the logical sequence:
1. Burning oil/coal/gas puts CO2 into the atmosphere (and it stays there!)
2. Higher levels of CO2 traps more heat - warming the atmosphere
3. Warmer atmosphere means more water vapor is retained
4. More water vapor increases the air temperature even further.
This is why scientists talk about "non-linear" warming. We like to think the temperature is increasing at nice even rate, but the physics tells us that it will get warmer at an ever increasing rate - which is exactly what is happening.
We need to begin taking action to limit CO2 emissions before it's too late.
mike reilly
1:03 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
As long as there are people who doubt the science of evolution, there will be people who doubt the science of climate change.
Scott A Mandia
1:11 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I live on Long Island, NY and am a Patch blogger. Here is my latest post about why global warming made Sandy worse:
Kurt Greenbaum
1:17 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Scott, thank you so much for sharing this with us here in St. Louis. I hope you're safe and sound after the storm and I'm grateful for both your participation as a Patch blogger and for sharing this link with us.
Wilma Flintstone
1:56 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Richard Lindzen PhD at MIT speaks on global warming. Again only the open minded should view. BTW Lindzen may have the top credentials in the world to speak on this topic.
Larry Lazar
2:34 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
RIchard Lindzen is batting zero in the climate debate. He has not made single claim about climate change that has passed muster.
Lindzen has a lifetime batting average of .000. in fact, he has struck out ever time he comes to the plate. He has no credibility left among the scientific community. He does, however, have a large following among the deniers.
4:59 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
You're cherry-picking, and your hyperbole on the "top credentials to speak on this topic" is a complete fabrication.
Nice googling, though. You found one.
3:22 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
There is a "GOD". Please GOD, make up your mind.
I'm tired of Springing-forward and Falling back. Cold-days-Hot-days.
Will we stop having Snow? Heck-Florida already is globally warmed, so all you science-Experts can go there and claim VICTORY!
Another idea! Let's go chop up some ice, load it on planes and drop it in the oceans. Give all the unemployed an ice-pick. Zero unemployment.
If Man can create any "warming", then please explain why it snow-stormed
on this Hurricane's watch???
Did you see that movie -"Gone with the wind".
Yep! Global warming started in Atlanta.
Frankly, my friends, I don't give a Da----)
Now That's for the record.
3:54 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Those who think "science" is infallible should remember the middle ages when the then scientific thinking was the earth was the center of the universe. What causes me to doubt global warming is the chicken little warnings of the population explosion of the 1970's which led to America moderating its birthrate, while other cultures were exploding; and two, the way the entire deal was set up as a profit making venture. When Goldman Sachs, where I have an account, is for it because carbon credits would be big business for it, that pretty much tells you it is about money. And don't get me going about Al F. Gore.
Larry Lazar
4:27 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I'm pretty sure our understand of the natural world has advanced since the middle ages.
Climate change is real, caused by man and is a threat to your children and theirs. We have an ethical and moral responsibility to stop the climate polluters from causing further harm.
5:00 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I'm sure you would have said the same thing to Galileo Galilei
Larry Lazar
5:07 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Galileo was an evidence based scientist - like todays' climate scientists.
His opponents were the ones relying on non-evidence based belief systems - which would be the climate change deniers in the current scenario.
5:09 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
flyoverland, are you seriously arguing that the scientist persecuted for positing that the Earth isn't the center of the universe, based on his scientific observations, is equivalent to modern-day deniers? Interesting.
You may feel that anthropomorphic climate change isn't happening, but you don't know it. Data suggests otherwise and data trumps "feelings" every time. No, science is not infallible and absolutely subject to change. It represents the best view of the world that we have right now.
5:52 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
No, but I am seriously telling you that just because something passes for science today, doesn't make it necessarily correct tomorrow. Are you telling me something different?
6:26 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
" Are you telling me something different?"
Yes, I am. Science is meant to be challenged. Competing theories examined, and argued, and tested. **Revision is a part of science**.
Take physics as an example. The Theory of Relativity was devised by Albert Einstein and argued endlessly. As technology progressed, ways to validate or invalidate parts of the theory became possible. As a result, our view of the universe is refined (and improved). Some day, the theory may be invalidated completely and something else may take it's place as we zip around universe with Faster Than Light drives. Perhaps not.
The point is that science is about drawing conclusions from observation and data. Can methods improve and our models change? Absolutely. The fact that there is consensus on climate change in the scientific community is extraordinary and compelling, though.
Wilma Flintstone
4:04 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
. Larry and the other hemmoroids will never stop ignoring the logic and evidence from the other perspective. They believe in man made global warming because they want to When we bring up another view point they call us names and attempt to insult us and in fact try to stop open debate on the topic. Maybe Larry and the hemmoroids should put on brown shirts and drive around beating up the glacial warming skeptics
5:11 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
For the love of God it's spelled "hemorrhoids," not "hemmoroids."
Do they not have spell-checkers in CrazyLand?
4:24 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Just saying, this data comes from your "consensus scientists".
Larry Lazar
4:35 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Jim, that global warming "stopped" in 1997 is an absurd claim and one of the many lies propagated by the oil companies.
9 of the last 10 years are the warmest on record. 2005 and 2010 are tied for the hottest years - however, 2012 might be the hottest yet - it sure was for Missouri.
We need to stop the insanity of denial. We need to stop ignoring the vast and overwhelming evidence simply because we do not like what it says. We need to turn off the ignorant, ill-informed and ideological demagogues on the radio.
They are lying about the greatest threat our children will face.
"Dad, why did your generation ignore the consensus among climate scientists and the clear warnings of the National Academy of Science?
Well, son, this guy on the radio said it was all a great hoax by Al Gore and the Liberals who wanted to raise our taxes and create more "big govt"!
OK, Dad, I understand that some people disagreed, but what about the record droughts, heat waves and storms? I know these are all much worse now, but back in 2012, that was still really bad weather for the time!
Come on, son, you don't understand what we were dealing with back in 2012. We had to save traditional marriage from the gays! The billionaires needed more tax breaks! We had to defund the EPA! Dealing with the climate system on which all human life depends just wasn't a priority!"
Julie Brown Patton
4:37 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Please be respective when directing comments to others, per the Patch terms of use.
Ann Martel
4:57 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I am open to both sides of this argument and want to learn from both sides, but it is annoying me that Wilma Flintstone just keeps accusing others of name calling when, after reading all of these posts, he/she is actually the only one calling anyone names. If you have nothing else to say other than to call someone a hemorrhoid...and then not even spell it right...you might want to go back to kindergarten and leave this argument. I, for one, am only interested in hearing intelligent information so that I can learn something.
5:07 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Larry, Are you saying that the climate scientists are lying??? This data was released this year by the very heart of the "warmers"--Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, London. Follow the links. Stop being a denier. Think about it. Do your own research.
1997-2011 a period of NO NET CHANGE in global temperatures and frantic changes to computer models. It's true!!
Larry Lazar
5:22 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
No, I'm saying that the article you posted, from a Yahoo contributor, is absolutely terrible and completely misrepresents reality.
No, it hasn't been cooling since 1998. Even if we ignore long term trends and just look at the record-breakers, that wasn't the hottest year ever. Different reports show that, overall, 2005 was hotter than 1998. What's more, globally, the hottest 12-month period ever recorded was from June 2009 to May 2010.
5:17 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
As a side, why did they change it from 'climate warming " to "climate change"? Hint: it stopped warming.
Larry Lazar
5:27 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I assume you meant 'global warming", not climate warming.
"They" didn't change anything. Global warming and climate change are two different scientific principles.
Global Warming describes an increasing temperature.
Climate Change is what is happening as a result of the increasing temperature.
The current global warming and climate change are primarly caused by human activitity - burning fossil fuels, and places our children and their children at grave risk.
Steve Reed
7:37 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Jim, a number of climatologists and others began to feel that the whole topic was better captured by the phrase "climate change" rather than "global warming" which is too narrowly focused on just one of many impacts of climate change.
5:19 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Larry, you need to stock up on Sharpies
Larry Lazar
5:29 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
They are good people RDBet. The people they are getting their information from are the evil ones:
"Words fail us about how to characterize the magnitude of the harm that is being done in the name of ideology. It is too absurd on its face to think that any reasonable observer can seriously conclude that climate change science is a hoax or that the consensus view that humans are causing climate change has been debunked.: in fact we are looking for the right metaphors to simply describe the sheer harmfulness of what has been happening.. We would appreciate ideas on this issue. Only poets can approach this task until we come up with the right metaphor."
Donald A. Brown, Associate Professor, Environmental Ethics, Science, and Law, Penn State, about the campaign of mis-information.
5:30 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Anyway Larry, hey, it did warm for a while, till 1997. Maybe they will figure out why it stopped. The good news is it's not cooling. We still might grow oranges here. :-)
Larry Lazar
7:01 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Jim, It hasn't stopped. It's getting hotter. If you looked around at our farms this summer you'll realize that as it gets hotter and drier that we won't be growing much of anything.
2005 and 2010 were both hotter than 1997.
9 of the last 10 years are the hottest on record.
7:56 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
You must be talking St Louis, not global. See attached (1981-2010=0).
1997 +0.4c
2005 +0.2c
2010 +0.4c
2012 +0.2c
Larry Lazar
8:11 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
No, I'm using global temperatures from the average of 5 different data sources
and I'm also looking at a much longer time period.
and I'm also using accredited and respected sources - like NASA.
8:33 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Nope,You charts are wrong.
Dr Spenser makes these charts for NASA, NOAA, and DOE.
He is a first class climate scientist. Here are his bonofides:
Larry Lazar
8:56 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
so, let try to understand your position on the competing sources for claims.
Sources you think are Right: Roy Spencer
Sources you think are Wrong: over 75 scientific bodies of national or international standing, including the US National Academy of Sciences, the Royal Society of the UK, the American Medical Association, the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences, the European Geosciences Union, the African Academy of Sciences, and the American Meteorological Society all agree that the climate is changing because of human activity.
as well as thousands of climate scientists that make up the 98% consensus?
Do you think that's a good bet to make on the future of civilization as we know it?
9:29 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
OK, 98%? of the scientists that rely on global warming for their govt. grants agree it's going to start warming again soon.(please, oh please). My point is that it has stopped warming for the last 15 years and nobody has a computer model that explains it. You think I'm wrong and will not accept that fact. I can't convince you. You can't convince me. Lets call it a draw. Really I don't know if it's going to go up or down but we both agree it is going to change.
Climate change — it happens, with or without our help. :-)
Dirk Maas
9:43 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
Regarding research money, this is from http://www.experiment-resources.com/research-grant-funding.html:
The common belief is that research grant funding comes from governments...
In the US, [the government] generally only accounts for about 36% of the funding, and the majority of that budget is spent on basic research and military research and development.
The largest research funding comes from private companies.
The numbers on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_funding), for the US, roughly agree: 31% from the government, 63% from industry.
98% of climate scientists are either corrupt or incompetent? Do you feel the same way about medical doctors, car mechanics, electrical engineers, architects, or the multitude of others you trust your life to?
9:50 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
"OK, 98%? of the scientists that rely on global warming for their govt. grants agree it's going to start warming again soon.(please, oh please)"
Where does Dr. Roy Spencer's paycheck come from? Government money. So everyone else get grants and are thus suspect because you say so? Right.
"My point is that it has stopped warming for the last 15 years and nobody has a computer model that explains it."
Then your point is wrong, as Larry has shown. No amount of repeating wrong information makes it true.
"Lets call it a draw. "
Call what a draw? Your desire for some level of equivalency hardly makes it a draw. People read this and will hopefully do their own research and make up their own minds.
Gary K Lee
10:08 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
I have never heard before that the warming stopped. If so, why are the glaciers still disappearing? Why are the polar bears at risk? I've seen plenty of pictures in publications like "National Geographic" and "Smithsonian". The farther north you go the more this is noticeable. People in St. Louis can still pretend climate change isn't so.
6:47 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
ScienceNews in 1975 shows the cooling trend
Scary man. What will you say to your son?
Larry Lazar
7:50 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
If you are interested in having an in-person discussion about the climate challenge, please attend the panel discussion that I'll be leading at the St. Louis Ethical Society on Dec 6. Details below:
On December 6, Earth Ethics will host three Climate Reality Leaders to speak at our Meeting at 7 p.m. in the As-sembly Hall. The speakers will be Dr. Lucas Sabalka, professor in the Department of Mathematics and Computer Science at St. Louis University, Brian Ettling a park ranger from Crater Lake National Park, Oregon, and Larry Lazar, an analyst at a global consumer products company.
The speakers will address human influenced global warming/climate change with the Climate Reality Pro-ject Mission of engaging the public in conversation about "our" problem. Real solutions, systemic solutions, and inno-vative solutions can only come when we address them together.
Without doubt. Without delay. Come hear the conver-sation about how to solve the climate crisis. Questions from those present will be welcomed. So bring your ques-tions along with your ethical and moral courage.
8:16 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
A recent Public Policy Polling survey of Republicans found that there was a greater percentage who believed in demonic possession and exorcism than did climate change. "Nuff said. Galileo would still get the chopping block with this crowd.
Gary K Lee
9:40 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
How many of you are active gardeners and/or farmers and have been for some years? Observe nature. It says a lot. My grandfather farmed in South Dakota until he died in 1994 and he said things were wrong with the climate. I don't think he had heard of "global warming" or "climate change" but he observed lots of changes in his later years (he died at the end of December 1994). Water levels were increasing and highway 81 had to be raised by 22 feet (or maybe it was 24 feet) and I saw farms flooded. Sloughs became lakes. Lakes Henry and Thompson became one lake. This development spread into North Dakota and happened over a number of years. My relatives near Devil's Lake, ND, described the same thing as what was going in eastern SD.
In St. Louis now, I can grow perennials that would have winter killed ten years ago. My vegetables (like tomatoes) have failed the last two summers because of the heat and then they finally start producing when they are killed by frost. You can't reason with people who live in their climate-controlled houses, work in their climate-controlled offices, and drive around in their climate-controlled cars. They don't get it and they won't. They don't care about their impact on anyone else. There are enough of them that by the time the politicians quit arguing about it and/or dragging their feet, serious damage will have happened.
10:12 pm on Sunday, November 4, 2012
The Patch shouldn't even ask this question. It's an overwhelmingly a scientific consensus with what is going on with climate change. Only in the U.S., where journalists in the 1990s presented this issue as a two-sided debate (good journalism presents both sides of the story) do we still have ignorant mofos that deny this issue is real. Climate change doesn't directly affect us here like it does other countries. It's too difficult to explain to an American that their SUV caused Hurricane Katrina and the Maldives to disappear. Listen, if carbon dioxide had a color and filled up our sky -- we would've solved the problem by now. Remember acid rain? Solved....
10:31 am on Monday, November 5, 2012
More civility, please. I understand that many feel it is "ignorant" to deny the vast data, but I don't think that persuades anyone by saying it. Similarly, even if you despise Al Gore, defaming a former vice-president and Nobel winner as a liar who will make "trillions" without evidence of such motivation or fact also is not very persuasive to anyone.
For me, there is speculation and and there is science. Both have uncertainty but one is based on philosphy and one based on data. I believe in God, but have no data to prove it. However, I do not let belief divert me to ignore medical science.
Is denying or promoting climate change in economic interests of oil industry and green industries? Yes. Now that we understand that the incentive for bias is clearly on both sides, claiming bias seems not to be very helpful. CREDIBLE evidence seems to be the reasonable means to answer a scientific question. I have seen abundant credible evidence of climate change over the last century, not just the last 10 years, from credible sources, and have seen almost no evidence to the contrary except from sources without scientific credibility. I recognize others genuinely believe that the green industries, Al Gore and others are conspiring against us, but if they are they are doing a terrible job - they lost the 2000 election, saw tax subsidies for oil research increase in 2005, and still have no climate legisation.
9:42 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012
Ok, so the globe is warming, because of increased CO2 emissions, and unchecked it's going to get hotter and hotter. Let's leave the shouting deniers alone; as fellow humans we all have a stubborn side. Instead, let's talk about solutions. This is so we can get the concerned but confused/on-the-fence reader to turn the page, and join us in fighting for these solutions. Thing is, what are they? Obviously the number one source of energy available to us is the sun (ironically). dot dot dot. What about creative plans to fix carbon? What about transgenic plants? What's the future?
Larry Lazar
10:05 pm on Monday, November 5, 2012
Great idea Brian, it's time to move to solutions.
I'd say reducing carbon emissions is job #1, and yes, solar is a key - as Germany is showing the world. Increasing energy efficiency could be even more important than finding new sources of energy - starting with updating the electric grid and improved building and fleet efficiency..
Job 2 is adaptation: we have to prepare for the climate change that is already "in the works". We are currently experiencing the weather of about .9 C warmining and we are well on our way to 2C. We'll likely hit 2C even if we were able to pull off a miracle and stop CO2 emissions tomorrow. There are a lot more Irene's, Sandy's and Katrina's ahead of us - as well as increasing droughts and forest fires. We need to be prepared to prevent or limit as much damage as we can.
Pulling existing carbon out of the air will be a challenge for sure and there are many promising technologies in development. I expect that we will need to do that in an agressive manner at some point, but I'd argue that keeping the carbon out of the atmosphere is much cheaper than trying to take it out once it gets there.
Jackson Thompson
5:43 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
"I'm simplifying his point of view"? Since when are data and scientific facts a point of view?
Jackson Thompson
5:54 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
What does the CEO of ExxonMobil say about climate change. Sure we're doing it, deal with it, we have a profit to make.
Jackson Thompson
6:00 am on Tuesday, November 6, 2012
You can listen to the whole speach.
Roger Hughes
4:14 pm on Wednesday, November 14, 2012
Good News. The U.S. will make a huge transition from petroleum oil energy to natural gas by 2030. Its expected to make millions of jobs for workers in our country. This will cut our hydrocarbons by about 40%.


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Better Know a Freshman: Jalen Mills - Mr. Makes a Living Around the Football
Replacing Tyrann Mathieu will be no easy task. True Freshman Jalen Mills is amongst the early favorite to fill the role. Can Jalen Mills replace the production of Tyrann Mathieu in 2012? Likely not. But he may come close.

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Murray Not Running For Governor; Who Should Run?
Lt. Gov. Timothy P. Murray will not run for governor in 2014, citing the demands of campaigning, serving in elected office and his desire to spend more time with his wife and two young daughters.
Lt. Gov. Timothy P. Murray will not run for governor in 2014, citing the demands of campaigning, serving in elected office and his desire to spend more time with his wife and two young daughters, reported his hometown newspaper the Telegram & Gazette of Worcester.
"It's something I have been thinking about for some time," Murray said of the decision, which he said came after sitting down to talk it through with his wife, Tammy, and key supporters since the Christmas holidays.
Murray, who was mayor of the City of Worcester, told the Telegram & Gazette the demands of running a campaign and serving in office can require 15- and 16-hour days, six and seven days a week and would leave him little time to be with his family.
In an email to political supporters this morning, Murray wrote:
"Having already run two successful statewide primary and general election campaigns, I am keenly aware of what will be required to run the type of campaign my supporters and the people of Massachusetts deserve. Accordingly, over the past several months I have increased my political and fundraising activities and have been heartened by the strong showing of support to date. ... However, as I contemplate the commitment required over the next 20 months (and the following four years as Governor) and weigh that against my obligations and responsibilities to my young family, I have decided that I will not be a candidate for Governor in the 2014 election cycle. Nor will I be a candidate for any other statewide office in 2014."
Murray continued to write: "This decision is not arrived at lightly and comes only after a great deal of reflection and numerous conversations with my wife, family and friends. I am thankful for the support and thoughtful words of encouragement I received from so many of you in the days and months leading up to my decision. I am proud of all we have been able to accomplish together."
With Murray not in the race, who do you think should run for Governor?
Tell us in the comments below.
Les Masterson
3:47 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
A Mike Capuano/Scott Brown race would be interesting. They both could make fine governors.
4:48 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
I'm glad this lightweight liberal coat-holder isn't running. We don't need another career politician with his hand out in the corner office.
7:34 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
At least if Tierney gets in, we'll get sme form of gambling in Mass
Joe Veno
8:11 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
@ cd, Only if his wife can skim off the top. I would not elect him to be the dog catcher.
peter lucci
10:12 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Ya wasn't that your career Joe? Oops my bad, you were the head crossing guard, sponging off the system.
peter lucci
10:14 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Still not over your prediction of a republican sweep huh Joe? You had Romney, Brown and Tisei kicking butt, oh well much like your own political career, always wrong.
6:20 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Peter you seem to gloating over the fact that those three lost? Are you happy with all the new taxes and fee Obama, Warren and Tierney will hit us with while they help themselves to our money?
Joe Veno
8:08 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
peter FYI I am running for the Housing Authoirty again this year. I think you should come out from behind this phoney name you are using and run against me. What do you think about that? Or are you a coward to run aginst me in an election? I think I already know the answer to that!
7:55 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
Maybe Murray should learn how to drive without texting before he runs for governor?
9:42 am on Saturday, January 19, 2013
My mom voted for Obama. Yesterday she was complaining that a perscription she's been paying $30 for years is suddenly $70. My check, and everyone else's, was 2% less and will continue to be. I pay more for food and gas than ever. The Governor wants us to use public transportation, but it cost just as much as driving in to Boston in my car. There was a story on CNBC a month ago about a manufacturing company in the Mid-West that has job openings, but they can't fill them because candidates keep telling them that they make almost as much on unemployment, so why should they work. Unemployment is not coming down. The system doesn't count those who are no longer collecting benefits. What does that mean? It means that if no one in the entire country either got or lost a job for the next two years, the unemployment rate would be zero! Oh, but you just keep gloating sir.....so much to gloat about..
Joe Veno
8:01 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
MPG, He will not answer you he just likes to throw out insults and move on until the next time. Just ignore him, I do
Joe Veno
8:09 pm on Saturday, January 19, 2013
peter FYI I am running for the Housing Authoirty again this year. I think you should come out from behind this phoney name you are using and run against me. What do you think about that? Or are you a coward to run aginst me in an election? I think I already know the answer to that!
peter lucci
10:47 pm on Sunday, January 20, 2013
Joe, you have a very funny way of ignoring me. You always make some foolish comment like this latest one to MPG that you just ignore me. No wonder you are a chronic loser, just like the state/federal candidates that you support , keep it up you fraud.
Joe Veno
5:26 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
Peter all I can say is pull papers and run aginst me then we aill see who the loser is. Whats the matter no guts?
Joe Veno
5:54 am on Monday, January 21, 2013
MPG, See I told you peter (Not his real name) will not answer you. Well i gave him a challenge but he will not do it. he likes to hide behind his phoney name. COME ON PETER PULL PAPERS AND RUN AGAINTS ME!!


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Google held a session today at I/O 2013 about how to make money on Android, and in the initial few minutes it shared some updated stats around Google Play revenues and how those are progressing. Not surprisingly, the big growth is coming with in-app purchases, though Google's recently launched subscription model is also making headway. → Read More
Google unveiled its completely redesigned Google Maps product on the web at I/O 2013, and at a panel dedicated to the new Maps experience, Maps User Experience Design Lead Jonah Jones and Engineering Director for Maps on the web Yatin Chawathe took us through what went into creating Maps and the engineering effort behind the considerable change seems prodigious. → Read More
Tripshare, an iPad application for travel planning, is joining a crowded space. But its CEO knows a little something about the industry – Bob Dana was the former employee No. 1 and first CFO of Virgin America. He once wrote the business plan and feasibility study for Sir Richard Branson in 2003. And now he's doing a travel startup. Dana tells us the inspiration for Tripshare was based… → Read More
How do you market a hot new TV show without the benefit of commercial space that you can fill with network promos? Just ask Netflix. The company has come up with a number of clever marketing stunts to get the word out about the upcoming premiere of Arrested Development ranging from Easter eggs on Netflix.com to this month's live frozen banana stand in New York, which was visited by hundreds. It… → Read More
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The first rule of being cool is not telling people you want to be cool. Yahoo is not following this rule, with its M&A team in full pray-and-spray acquisition mode post-Marissa Mayer hire, hitting on everything that walks, or at least has traction.
Deals I have heard rumors Yahoo was trying to get into over the past couple of months: Foursquare (at an $800 million asking price). Path (at a… → Read More
One of the most interesting product demos on display at Google I/O this year was a virtual sky-diving simulation built using eight separate computers running Chrome, along with a Kinect-like motion sensor made by ASUS called the Xtion Pro. The Maps Dive experiment was created by Portland-based independent digital agency Instrument. → Read More
NVIDIA brought its new Shield handheld gaming system to Google I/O this year and showed off a near-production device. The Shield made its debut at CES this year, surprising most since it's a consumer handheld device from a company that generally makes internal components. But it has some neat tricks up its sleeve, including a Tegra 4 chipset, 2GB of RAM, a 5-inch 720p display and 16GB of internal… → Read More
Andrew Mason must be some kind of spirit animal of optimism. We assumed he was kidding when today he wrote that he had recorded "a seven song album of motivational business music". Just three months ago the founder and CEO got booted from Groupon. But we've just confirmed with him that his album "Hardly Workin'" is for real. Hold on to your ear holes, startup people. → Read More
Leap Motion was showing off its still unreleased gesture motion controller for computers at Google I/O 2013. The demo unit allowed you to use the controller to navigate Google Earth, and the functionality felt ready for prime time to me, as this was the first time I'd ever used the Leap Motion. The controls seemed intuitive, and within a few minutes I was flying around the globe pretty handily… → Read More
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UPSTATE—Former Anderson County Councilman Ron Wilson, who bilked silver investors out of more than $50 million, was sentenced to 19 and a half years in jail at a hearing in Greenville on Tuesday.
The 64- year-old recently pled guilty to mail fraud in relation to a silver Ponzi scheme at an earlier hearing.
The scheme spanned 11 years and affected more than 800 investors in 25 states, according to officials.
United States Attorney Bill Nettles said a Ponzi scheme usually entices new investors by offering higher returns than other investments, in the form of short-term returns that are either abnormally high or unusually consistent.
"One of the investments Wilson offered was a Silver Investment Account, wherein the investors did not take physical possession of silver allegedly bought on their behalf," said Nettles in a release. "Instead, Wilson claimed to hold his clients' silver at a Delaware Depository. He showed them brochures and other documents from the depository and assured them that their silver would be safe there."
Wilson did not buy silver and lied to clients about their silver being stored in Delaware, according to officials.
He created fictitious account statements for clients that showed their silver holdings when, in fact, he had not bought any silver for them.
"Wilson also purported to trade the silver by buying at low prices and then selling at peak prices to earn profits. These were in fact phantom trades," said Nettles. "Wilson used the money received from clients for his personal benefit. He also used money from newer clients to make pay outs to earlier clients when these earlier clients requested draws on their accounts."
Wilson will also be facing a federal civil enforcement action regarding the Ponzi scheme, which was filed by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission.
Wilson was taken into custody at the conclusion of the sentencing.


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Wednesday, September 8, 2010
Watermelon Jam
Once I was sure that it just will not set no matter how long I waited, I reopened all the jars and dumped everything back into the pot. I added a bit more lemon juice to try and cut the sweetness and boost up the pectin, and recooked the mess to 215F again, letting it boil for a bit longer then I was strictly comfortable with, but this time everything came out great! The jam set and I had 7 shiny jars of lovely jelly tasting quite strongly of watermelon. I'm already plotting "I know what you did last summer" desserts to make with it, and I am keeping my fingers crossed that my jam exchange partner will like it too.
Watermelon Jelly
adapted from Food in Jars
makes about 7 eight ounce jars
6 cups pureed watermelon (remove any seeds prior to pureeing)
5 cups white sugar (I think next time I'd add 4 or less)
1/2 cup bottled or fresh lemon juice
1 packet powdered pectin
Combine watermelon puree, sugar and lemon juice in a large, non-reactive pot. Bring to a boil and let it boil vigorously until the temperature of mixture reaches 220 degrees. Add the powdered pectin and boil for another five minutes.
Remove from the heat and pour into clean, sterilized jars. Wipe rims, apply lids and screw on bands. Process in a boiling water bath for 10 minutes.
When time is up, remove from canner and let jars cool completely, preferably overnight. When they're cool enough to handle, remove rings and test seals. You can eat immediately or store unopened jars in a cool, dark place for up to a year. Print up some pretty labels (I used the template from here found at this cool site) and start scheming.
33 comments:
- Les rêves d'une boulangère (Brittany) said...
Wow! I've never heard/tasted watermelon jam. Love the vibrancy
- September 9, 2010 at 1:50 AM
- Joy said...
That still weirds me out.
- September 9, 2010 at 6:44 AM
- Katy@BlueEyedBakers said...
This looks so fancy and foodie I can hardly take it! You're a pro!
- September 9, 2010 at 8:55 AM
- Cathe Holden said...
First, let me thank you for bumping my comments to 667! LOL. I DO appreciate stuff like that AND second, Wowza!! You took that label to one fantastic level. Who ever heard of watermelon jam?! I HAVE TO HAVE SOME!! Thanks so much for linking to my site. Have a great day.
- September 9, 2010 at 3:45 PM
- Jessica - Sugar High said...
Watermelon Jam..? That sounds amazing! I've been dying to do some canning, I MUST try this one! Thanks for sharing :)
- September 9, 2010 at 6:30 PM
- Angie said...
That looks very good. I might have to try to make some of that. The Amish in my area make and sell it, but I've never gotten up enough courage to try it. Watermelon Jelly??
- September 9, 2010 at 7:24 PM
- PheMom said...
Very cool. I see watermelon in my near future. :)
- September 9, 2010 at 8:47 PM
- scrambledhenfruit said...
Watermelon jam? Sounds fabulous- summertime in a jar!
- September 9, 2010 at 9:08 PM
- carter @ the kitchenette said...
Where on earth did you get those amazing labels?! Just something you designed yourself?
- September 9, 2010 at 9:51 PM
- Anna said...
Thank you guys, it really is yummy. I'm already imagining cracking this baby open in January and breathing in the sunshine.
Angie, I've never seen it sold, but if you can get a jar, I'd definitely recommend you try it. It's different, but yummy.
Carter, I got the template for the labels from the fabulously talented lady here: http://justsomethingimade.blogspot.com/, just do a search for glitter, she used these to decorate her glitter bottles and I thought they were fantastic. - September 9, 2010 at 11:04 PM
- Ty'sMommy said...
Oooo you had a lucky partner in the Jam Exchange!!! I am definitely going to have to try this one!
- September 10, 2010 at 2:20 PM
- Cal said...
Wow, never heard of it, but I am glad it came out nice! My grandmother made winter squash jam, delicious, but it not quite the same as watermelon!
- September 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM
- Abby said...
OK. This is a new one on me! But it's so pretty. Definitely the color of watermelon jolly ranchers, which I love!
- September 12, 2010 at 4:45 PM
- Bryt said...
neat. I've never heard of watermelon jam but would certainly give it a go. Love the pretty label too!
- September 20, 2010 at 4:21 AM
- Elizabeth said...
I love Food In Jars, and from the looks of this I am going to LOVE this too! Yum!
- May 26, 2011 at 8:15 PM
- Jen said...
What size is the pectin packet? I have pectin in a jar instead so I want to make sure to use the right amount. Thanks! Can't wait to try this!
- July 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM
- Anna said...
Hi Jen, a standard packet has 1.75oz or 49grams. I hope that helps and good luck!
- July 21, 2011 at 8:53 AM
Thanks or the recipe, it turned out great! I made one batch using peach as well, so it was watermelon/peach jam and another with lime, so it was watermelon lime jam. They are super yummy and beautiful!
- August 22, 2011 at 7:21 AM
- Anna said...
Oh wow, that sounds amazing! I will definitely have to try the peach version, thanks.
- August 22, 2011 at 7:27 AM
Hi, we are making watermelon jam and we already have a recipe, we just do not what to use the jam with.. Could you help us out?
- August 27, 2011 at 9:47 AM
- Anna said...
You know, that's a good question. I've been eating it on english muffins for breakfast, but there aren't too many other uses for it. I'll have to think about it, make another batch and get back to you.
- August 30, 2011 at 7:11 AM
- wendicus said...
I just finished using your recipe. It turned out great! This was my first year to grow watermelons, and I believe they were slightly over-watered because they weren't very sweet. I started out making some watermelon pickles (yum) with the rinds, and I just hated to throw out all of that semi-sweet pulp. I'm not really sure what to do with it either, but my kids have decided that it is great on popcorn! (Crazy teenage boys...) Last winter I canned a bunch of half-pints of lime marmalade. It is wonderful but everyone is sick of lime marmalade so I've adapted an orange marmalade cookie recipe to accommodate my limes. They are so good! I may try the watermelon jelly in them tomorrow. Wouldn't that be crazy? Watermelon cookies!
- August 31, 2011 at 6:40 PM
- Shorthairshai said...
Im using it to fill some Vanilla Cupcakes.. if you were looking for another use for it! then top with some cream cheese frosting..:)
- September 2, 2011 at 11:58 AM
- Anna said...
That sounds really good, Shorthairshai, thank you for the suggestion!
- September 2, 2011 at 12:28 PM
- Sandie said...
I made some last night and it tastes great. Thanks so much for sharing.
- September 6, 2011 at 5:49 AM
Sounds like this might be good on vanilla ice cream? I want to make some this summer......
- June 10, 2012 at 5:17 PM
- Dogscanlookup said...
Made this a couple weeks back and it is DELISH! I used key lime juice instead of lemon because I'll take lime over lemon any day of the week. I also went with the 4c of sugar instead of 5 and I still thought it was a little too sweet for my taste, but nobody around here is complaining, lol. Tastes like a Jolly Rancher! I'm going to figure out a way to incorporated it into cupcakes as not only filling,but as a flavoring in the buttercream as well. ;)
A few days after making this, I also made a batch of jalapeno jelly. Lemme let you in on a little secret... Watermelon jelly + jalapeno jelly + goat cheese on crackers = OMNOMNOMNOMNOM!!!! I may just add some chopped jalapeno to my next batch!
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This is fabulous. I'm thinking about making some for my Foodie Penpals swap partner but only want to make 1 jar haha... gonna see if I can make a tiny batch. Thanks for posting this! It's so unique.
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Wow jalepeno watermelon jelly sounds interesting! I bought a watermelon today to make this tomorrow night!
- July 17, 2012 at 6:58 PM
I wonder how this watermelon jam would be poured over a block of cream cheese like you would pepper jelly? Sounds worth trying with some wheat thins!
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Can't wait to make this. How fun!
- August 18, 2012 at 9:02 AM
Attempting to make this morning. I don't have enough watermelon, so I am going to use honey dew and cantaloupe also. Also going to use low to no sugar pectin, which according the the jar, will only take 2 cups of sugar. Excited to try! The household in which I live isn't too fond of melon, so I bet I will be giving a lot away this holiday season.
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as for what to do with it, why not use it instead of frosting for a white or angel food cake. i bet that would be super yummy.
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On the first day of 2013, the proverbial car is being tuned as we prepare to head to Phoenix. The Road to Wrestlemania starts with the Royal Rumble at the end of the month. As we start the countdown to the biggest show of the year, I'm going to break a cardinal rule and engage in some fantasy booking. The main reason for going against one of my biggest wrestling blogger pet peeves is because I've seen some rumors of what could be on tap for Wrestlemania and frankly, there's only one match in that list that I wouldn't list as a bathroom break. So I'm going to throw out my proposed Wrestlemania card and hope someone with some clout within WWE sees it and tries to pass off my ideas as their own. This way I haven't paid X amount of dollars to simply freeze my tail off in New Jersey while staring blankly at an 18x18 foot wrestling ring. <>>
First off, for those that may not have seen them, here are the "rumored" matches and the reasons why I don't want to see them. <>>
The Rock vs. John Cena
Wrestlemania 28
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John Cena vs. The Rock
: I saw this match last year and wasn't excited for it then so why would I want to see it a second year in a row. Last year's match was billed as "Once in a Lifetime." Surely WWE wouldn't promote something as historic and then devalue it a year later, would they? The Rock is a part-time (if that) wrestler. Why waste him on a guy he's already fought? The consensus is this match will happen so Cena can avenge his loss from last year.<>>
Brock Lesnar vs. Triple H
: I was there live at SummerSlam when these two fought. Outside of an appearance by Trips on the Slammy Award episode of RAW, neither guy has been mentioned since the day after SummerSlam. Much like the previous match mentioned, the reasoning for this rematch is simply so Triple can get his win back. Parity booking is one of the biggest reasons why very few superstars are getting over with the crowd. <>>
CM Punk vs. Undertaker
: I don't know why this is being talked about other than if Punk is still champion a Streak vs. Longest Championship Reign match could have some intrigue. Personally, I think Undertaker should retire with a 20-0 record at Wrestlemania. If he really feels the need to come back for another match, there's only one person I want to see face the Undertaker. I'll get to that later. <>>
Sin Cara & Rey Mysterio
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Rey Mysterio vs. Sin Cara
: There have been reports; WWE would pass out lucha masks (guessing in the style of Rey's or Sin's or the hybrid version) for the crowd to wear in an attempt to set the World Record for most people wearing lucha masks at one time. This is the one match that I'm not opposed to seeing. <>>
Now, if I were in control, what would my Wrestlemania 29 card look like? Glad you asked. <>>
The Rock vs. Dean Ambrose
: The Rock has faced Cena. At the Royal Rumble, The Rock will fight CM Punk. If WWE is going to bring back the Rock for Wrestlemania, I'd prefer to see him face someone new. What better way to help establish a new star then putting the "Greatest" against a new star many are predicting big things for in the future. Since The Shield has been helping CM Punk, it's not unimaginable to think they may get involved in the Punk/Rock match. If their interference leads to a Rock loss, a Rock/Ambrose match can easily be set up for Mania. <>>
John Cena vs. Undertaker? Maybe...
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John Cena vs. The Undertaker
: In my opinion, this is THE money match for an Undertaker return. While Cena doesn't have a good win-loss record in the last few Wrestlemanias, he still has the aura around him that fans would buy the potential for Cena to end the streak. Off the top of my head, I can't recall the last time Cena and Taker squared off in a match, which means it's also a fresh match-up. <>>
Brock Lesnar vs. Ryback
: Paul Heyman represented Brock. Ryback has been feuding with another Heyman guy in CM Punk and even wrestled Heyman at a recent show in Madison Square Garden. Wouldn't it make sense for Heyman to bring back Brock to seek revenge? The Next Big Thing vs. The Newest Big Thing would be this generation's Lesnar vs. Goldberg. Hopefully the match would be better received, even if Lesnar weren't going to be around after the match. Unfortunately, this match up would probably lead to more Gold-Berg chants. Again though, using a part-time wrestler to help put over a current star makes more sense than putting two part-time guys in the same match. <>>
3MB vs. The Jonas Brothers
: Wrestlemania is being held in New Jersey. The Jonas Brothers are from New Jersey. Vince McMahon likes to use celebrities to get some mainstream publicity. 3MB aren't being taken seriously so why not try to draw in the Disney crowd. <>>
CM Punk vs. the Miz
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WWE Championship Match: CM Punk vs. The Miz
: This was a hard match to pick. After looking at the WWE roster, there's really no one that I could quickly pick to challenge Punk. While the dream match would be Punk vs. Steve Austin, as long as Punk is still champion, I don't think he should have any major matches against non-fulltime wrestlers. The Miz by being a former champion gets the title shot by necessity. <>>
World Title Match: Dolph Ziggler vs. Christian vs. Mark Henry vs. Randy Orton
: This means Dolph successfully cashes in the Money In The Bank briefcase in time to go through all the required rematches with Big Show before Wrestlemania. Throw in three former champions, two of whom have been on the sidelines for the better part of the year so the match feels fresh, as challengers and let Dolph retain the title as the start of a lengthy, meaningful reign. <>>
Tag Team Title Match: Team Hell No vs. Tyson Kidd/Justin Gabriel
: The tag champs have faced every tag team on the roster numerous times so this match could easily go on the pre-show continuing the trend of Daniel Bryan having a lackluster Wrestlemania appearance. <>>
The rest of the show can really be put together by drawing names from a hat. Looking at the WWE roster, and noticing how often guys wrestle each other, it's hard to come up with something unique and interesting. <>>
That's my Wrestlemania 29 fantasy card. What would you like to see at Wrestlemania? What do you not want to see at Wrestlemania? Share your thoughts on our
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I liked all of them.
Music is the voice that tells us that the human race is greater than it knows.
--Napoleon Bonaparte
Me too...
1992 PRS Cu24 Tortoise Shell, "10",Birds, Reg Neck
1996 PRS Cu24 Scarlet Red Burst, "10", Dots, WT Neck, Graphtech Piezo
Chris Reynolds...Nashvegas TN
CR Guitar Demos
More guitars than I can afford!
#1 fan of Doug "DA MAN" Sewell!!


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