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Scenes From a Manhunt (Photo Gallery)
Patch captured the images from Tuesday's search in Tinley Park and the surrounding area by the FBI and other law enforcement agencies for two men who escaped a downtown Chicago prison complex.
Updated: 5:23 p.m.
Cook County Sheriff's Police were investigating a possible lead in the 800 block of South Cedar Road in New Lenox. According to police, a New Lenox resident was identified as having shared a mutual friendship with one of the escaped convicts. A police officer, who refused to give his name, said the lead "didn't pan out."
A line of a dozen or so unmarked squads are parked in the center divide of Cedar Road. Officers were huddled together on the front lawn, discussing the investigation.
READ: Fugitive Manhunt—What Happened and What's Next
Helicopters have been flying around New Lenox since the early afternoon. However, the number of helicopters with search lights seemed to increase around 4 p.m.
Update 5:15 p.m.
The FBI, which has been coordinating the manhunt for Jose Banks and Kenneth Conley, is keeping the scope of its search to the entire Chicago area, said special agent spokesman Frank Botche.
"It's expanded only because we're now following up on other leads and trying to track down other avenues, and the fact is is that it's taken us all over the Chicago area," he said.
Agents aren't sure if the convicts are still together or if they've separated, Botche said. He added that they could be hiding out somewhere or could have joined up with associates.
While the FBI has no information that the men are armed, Botche said they could have come across weapons and should still be considered dangerous.
Anyone with information on the two men should contact the FBI Chicago office at 312-421-6700 or other local law enforcement.
Update: 4:45 p.m.
Authorities don't believe Jose Banks and Kenneth Conley are still in the Tinley Park area, according to a notice sent out by the Village of Tinley Park.
The Tinley Park Police Department added patrol officers to shifts, and assigned them to schools, once they confirmed that one of the men was seen in the area Tuesday morning, according to the notice.
Update: 12:48 p.m.
Law enforcement have left the area. No one was seen removed from the home or apprehended in the area.
Update: 12:25 p.m.
A Cook County sheriff's K9 unit is out near north on 67th Avenue, as the search continues. Onlookers are following the unit up to 174th Street and continuing north. Unmarked law enforcement vehicles are following as well.
READ: Mother Turned Away Escaped Convict at Front Door, Landlord Says
The search is also continuing south toward the Oak Park Metra station. Streets near the station have been blocked off, as well as the parking lot, as the K9 unit entered the station.
Ronald Bailey, owner of the house that was surrounded, said Sandy Conley, the mother of Kenneth Conley, has been living in the house for eight years. He has never met Kenneth Conley. However, it's believed that Conley was at the house this morning.
Update: 12:15 p.m.
Law enforcement are slowly leaving the area, and no one was seen being taken from the house.
Update: 11:50 a.m.
Law enforcement have surrounded a house in Tinley Park, though they have not confirmed whether the wanted men are inside.
Tinley Park police, Cook County sheriff's deputies, FBI agents and members of the Great Lakes Regional Fugitive U.S. Marshals Task Force have surrounded a house in the 6600 block of 175th. Tinley Park Police Chief Steve Neubauer also is on scene. Law enforcement entered the house around 11:45 a.m. Nearby streets have been blocked off.
Return to Patch for further updates.
Original Post
Authorities are searching for two men who escaped a federal prison in Chicago Tuesday morning, and were later seen in Tinley Park.
Jose Banks, 37, and Kenneth Conley, 38, are both convicted bank robbers, and should be considered armed and dangerous, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
The bank robbers staged a daring escape from their downtown cells in the Metropolitan Correctional Center in the Loop—one of the world's only skyscraper prisons. Authorities discovered a knotted rope or bedsheet dangling from a window high above the street.Homeland Security and U.S. Marshal's Service agents, according to AP, were trying to find security camera footage from businesses neighboring the jail. Randy Cohen, owner of the Royal Jewelry and Loans store, said he didn't think his cameras were pointed in the right direction to record the escape.
READ: Fugitive Search Disrupts Funeral at Nearby Church
The men escaped between 5 a.m. and 8:45 a.m., according to a report from the Chicago Tribune.
The facility, which houses around 700 inmates, is one of the only skyscraper prisons in the world, said Jennifer Lucente of Chicago Architecture Foundation told AP that architect Harry Weese designed the building in the mid-1970s, and its triangular shape limits the number of blind spots for guards. Each cell has a window as part of the building's humane design, she said.
The men were last seen in Tinley Park, though the FBI did not specify their exact location, and authorities are still searching for them.
Banks is described as 5 feet 8 inches, 160 pounds and black. Conley is described as 6 feet, 185 pounds and white. The men were originally wearing orange jumpsuits, but may now be wearing white shirts, sweat pants and white gym shoes.
At least one helicopter searching for the two was seen near Tinley Park High School and the former Panduit facility.
Community Consolidated School District 146 schools and the administration center are in a soft lock down until further notice. The schools will elevate their lockdown procedures should a greater threat become apparent, said D146 Community Relations Manager Linda Zec.
Law enforcement assured D146 administrators that no immediate threat is apparent to the schools or administration building, and they remain in contact with the district, Zec said.
"Our administration is on top of the situation and in contact with our local police authority for updates," Zec wrote in an email. "At this point there seems to be no need to cause panic and that we are taking all necessary precautions to keep our students and staff safe."
Tinley Park High School is currently in lock down. Classroom doors are locked, as is the high school building, although classes are still being taught. Doors are being monitered and there is a police presence on campus.
READ: Orland Park Police Investigating False Bank Robbery Report
"We're just trying to take every safety measure that we can," said Lori DeVos, community relations coordinator for Bremen High School District 228.
All three Consolidated High School District 230 schools are also on soft lockdown.
"This is a precautionary measure and students and staff are not in imminent danger," was said in a phone call and email to D230 parents.
Orland School District 135 schools also were on soft lock down, as were schools in Oak Lawn, Oak Forest, Burbank and other nearby areas.
Anyone with information on the two men should contact the Tinley Park Police Department at 708-444-5300, the FBI Chicago office at 312-421-6700 or other local law enforcement.
Frankfort Patch Editor Anna Schier and Tinley Park Patch Editor Joe Vince contributed to this post.
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11:14 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Just got a robocall that schools are on a "soft lockdown."
Jim Womack
11:40 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Conley has family in Tinley Park according to ABC 7.
Dean Casper
11:58 am on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Everyone, District 146 schools, Central Middle School, Memorial School, Fulton School in Tinley Park, Fierke School in Oak Forest, and Kruse Education Center in Orland Park are on soft lockdown. Soft lockdown means no outside recess, no one in without ID.
12:14 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
All the money the union jail guards make how the hell can someone escape from jail?? were they sleeping, texting, or just sucking up tax payers money?? this countrys a mess!!
1:06 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Oh yeah... It is the unions fault. That makes sense. What an intelligent post.
1:10 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
LMFAO!!!! Although I am personally not pro-union, your post has to be about the dumbest thing I have read/heard today! Were you serious when you posted this or were you simply joking? I hope it is the second....
1:12 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Coming from a guy whose avatar was a mass-murdering, cowardly philanderer, that's pretty dang funny.
2:24 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Sir for your information, the MCC (Metropolitan Correction Center) is under staffed, the union, and texting have nothing to do with tax dollars. Your right about one thing, THIS COUNTRY IS MESSED UP!!!!!
Tuna Rocks
5:14 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hey Moron. Why is it the unions fault. Going by your name you should love the unions. They are the ones who built the country up and provided a home for you and the ungreatful people you hang with at Dunkin Donuts. WIth all of your relatives staying in our prisons they are over crowded.
Bob Laird
12:36 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
escaped from downtown between 5 and 8:45, in Tinley by 10 or 11? Maybe had a little help? Are prisoners allowed to carry cash that they could have used for train fare?
Arlene Hayman
1:25 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I called the police, after picking my child up from school...(between 183rd and 177), I saw 2 men, one black, one white, at the bus stop. I DID call the police, and told them about it.
Sue N.
2:20 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
My guess is that they hopped on the Rock Island Train without needing any help. The downtown station is literally blocks away from the correctional bldg. In the morning rush, as long as they ditched the orange jumpsuits, no one would have noticed them looking out of place. :-(
Plus it sounds like one of them went to Sheperd, so would have known the area and that the train was right there.
2:23 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I don't think they have much regards for what they are allowed or not allowed to do.
Jon Azavedo
12:03 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Good for you, Arlene! I saw two men, one black and one white, at Flossmoor Country Club. I called the police too, looks like they stole golf clubs, one man had a bag over his shoulder, the other one stole golf shoes he was wearing!
edward byczynski
12:38 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Still have no clue on the lane bryant shootings years ago tinley police don't make me have that warm fuzzy feeling
TP Resident
1:08 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You have no idea what is going on with the Lane Bryant case. I hate when ignorant individuals use one tragic event as an excuse to bash the police. If you don't like Tinley Park or do not feel the police force can adequately protect your safety, feel free to move.
2:18 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Tinley Police are a well trained department, you can move to Chicago where 485 people have been shot and killed. Note: With a large majority of those Homicides still unsolved.
12:52 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Not caught, and will more than likely not harm.anyone!!! Stop talking crap if you dont know them. They robbed bank, never hurt ANYONE. I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A BAD SITUATION, BUT THEY WILL BE CAUGHT!!!. conmen, not murderers
Frank Smart
1:28 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Why do you think they will not harm anyone? They are in jail for ARMED Robbery, they at least threatened people with weapons in the past. I am sorry you are related to them, but they are garbage. All the tax money money being wasted by this and past crimes, the amount of people scared by news that there children's school is locked down, I hope they are caught and never let out again. Selfish Pricks
2:20 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
According to the FBI, these men are considered armed and dangerous. Why would anyone vouch for the character of a bank robber?
cornell hudson
12:59 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The windows were designed too thin so a body could not fit thru them.
D Greg
1:01 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Is our neighborhood getting the rep as an 'easy' place to hide out and commit crimes? Too many crime stories in Tinley/Orland this year for my liking.
Mary Carumba
1:07 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
This is another example of why we need a concealed carry law in Illinois.
1:17 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
yeah, everyone should walk around with hidden guns. I would feel much safer.
Ay Caramba!
1:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Mary - You should change your name to Annie Oakley. You sure do love your guns and think they are the answer to everything.
Steve T.
1:52 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Exactly right Mary. The overturning of the concealed carry ban was the best thing to happen in illinois in a long time. Finally the courts agree that it is as important to protect yourself outside the home as it is inside your home. In six months Illinois will be the las state to allow concealed carry and its about time.
Steve T.
1:54 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Its interesting that people complain about concealed carry in illinois but have no problem traveling to any other state that has had concealed carry for many years. None of the other 49 states have had any problems with licensed concealed carry permit holders, none!
Conceal and Carry
1:55 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The conceal and carry laws need to be in place, IL is one of a few states that does not allow it...yet how many times do we hear about murders or shootings in our state?? More than most I can bet! I was never for conceal n carry but after the recent events of the last two weeks with all of the shootings, we need to be allowed to protect ourselves OUTSIDE of our homes not just inside! If you take vacation out of state, I bet you that you walk among people who DO CONCEAL but yet you still go there! Mary I am 110% with you on that, when they offer the classes in the coming months my name will be on it for sure!
2:21 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
exactly--i can guarantee ppl will think twice if they know there is a possibility someone is carrying a gun and can defend themselves! --crime rates would go down--
Mary Carumba
2:38 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I know I'm safe today if two bank robbers come busting through my door.
Are you?
2:49 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes Mary, I am safe. Without a gun. All this over reacting isn't doing anyone any favors. If your door isn't safe enough to keep a man from busting through it, I would look into a new one.
Tired of the B.S.
2:58 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
"If your door isn't safe enough to keep a man from busting through it, I would look into a new one."
I guess you have unbreakable windows in your house, right Emily?
I would bet my bottom dollar that if I was so inclined, I could break into your house, right through your "impregnable" door.
3:07 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Comments like these just prove you look for a fear factor to justify your need for violent protection.
3:30 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Tired of the B.S.
You just proved my point. You own guns and train your family to use them. Now because of an internet comments section online you are overreacting and just told a lady you can break into her house. That is why I do not feel safer knowing that you have a gun.
Tired of the B.S.
3:52 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
A J and Emily
Both of you should take a DEEP breath.
A J, I merely pointed out to Emily that her house may not be as safe as she thinks. I don't know Emily or where she lives, but, it's a safe assumption that her house has windows (easily broken) and a door that is no where near as strong as the one she suggested Mary Carumba purchase.
The fact is that there are threats to your safety that may or may not ever show up at your door. I prefer to take responsibility for my family and my own safety whenever possible, you can choose not to if you please.
I live in the real world where terrible things happen to people every day and choose to be able to protect myself and my family if the need arises, you can wait for somebody else to come to your aid, your choice is not mine.
Just remember, if that time comes when you are facing danger in your home or on the street, as the saying goes, when seconds count the police are only minutes away.
Emily, you are the last one that I would turn to for an interpretation of my rights under the second amendment as you already seem to feel that having a gun is wrong.
Donn Lusung
4:17 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I know I'm safe today if two bank robbers come busting through my door.
Are you?"
So your telling me Mary when you walk around your house you have your gun strapped to you the entire time? That's the only way your safe if anyone breaks in your house. If you leave it upstairs in a box buried under some clothes (like what most gun holders do) then obviously your not safe. What would you do? "Hold on robber let me go upstairs real quick." Yea Mary you make no sense.
Mike F.
4:23 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
TOTBS, I can't speak for Emily, but I can tell you I feel very secure in my residence. I live in a second floor condominium. You'd need an extendable ladder to get up to my windows. My unit can only be accessed from the inside of the building. You have to have a key or be buzzed in to gain access. I replaced the back door to my unit and had the locks changed on the front one a few days after I moved in. I don't need a gun to feel safe. Also, I have very few items that are worth stealing. My TV is an old CRT tube one and my gaming system is a first generation PS2.
Tired of the B.S.
4:44 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You're right Mike F. nobody has ever had their second floor condo broken into. Nobody has ever gotten into a building that has a buzzer on the door. I'm glad you feel safe but don't think it can't happen to you.
As I have said earlier, if you don't want a gun, don't get one.
Just stop trying to take away my right to have one (or more).
Conceal and Carry
4:45 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The right to protect is just that our right. If WE choose to conceal and carry that is now OUR RIGHT..we are NOT judging you for how you feel about it! Good luck finding another state that doesn't allow conceal and carry...I believe there is only one state left. You can conceal and carry in Indiana...and who hasn't been there?? Casino anyone?? I have a strong hunch that those we feel they are safe in their homes also believe that the world will end in 3 days...lets take off those rose colored glasses you hide behind and face facts...The world IS NOT ending! If so it would have ended 3 or 4 months ago as the Mayans had no LEAP YEAR! And our streets ARE NOT what they used to be, crime is moving into our quiet burbs and its time for us to take the steps we need to take to make it safe for our kids to play outside again instead of playing shoot'em up games on the XBOX or PS3....and if that means carrying...then so be it...you never know it may be one of us that will carry that saves your life!
J. Ann
7:23 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I agree. Nice little defenseless Illinois---the only state in the Union---how ridiculous. It certainly hasn't worked for Chicago! Criminals will get their guns and use them---on defenseless citizens. This has got to change!
Mrs. Featherbottom
11:39 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I completely agree Mary. People are less likely to attack someone if they think they may have a gun on them. Take North Carolina for example which started allowing concealed weapons in '95 - "In 1995, there were 45,016 such crimes throughout the state. In 2010, the last year for which state level data is available, there were 34,033 such crimes." With population growth that is 42% difference.
"In Texas, murder rates fell 50% faster than the national average in the year after their concealed carry law passed. Rape rates fell 93% faster in the first year after enactment, and 500% faster in the second. Assaults fell 250% faster in the second year."
"After passing their concealed carry law, Florida's homicide rate fell from 36% above the national average to 4% below, and remains below the national average (as of the last reporting period, 2005)."
"More to the point, crime is significantly higher in states without right-to-carry laws"
9:20 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Thank you Mary! I feel much safer knowing that there are law abiding citizens trained and carrying! 170 days to go.........
1:09 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The article states what they may be wearing. If they were spotted, what ARE they wearing? People remember to keep your car doors locked while driving. Tinley/Orland is not getting a rep for crime. If you read the article it stated one of these men have family that live here. Be cautious of danger. If you are too scared, stay home and lock your doors.
Tired of the B.S.
1:20 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I feel very safe in my home with the guns I have to protect my family from scum such as these two, how about you?
1:31 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I feel much less safe knowing nut jobs with families that are tired of the B.S. keep an arsenal of guns in their home.
Tired of the B.S.
1:56 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I am not a " nut jobs with families that are tired of the B.S. keep an arsenal of guns in their home".
I happen to be an honorably discharged veteran with a family that knows how to handle weapons.
Would you feel safer if the only ones with firearms were the criminals and the police?
The national average of police response time to a 911 call is around six minutes. I prefer not to wait that long to respond to a threat to my family.
2:04 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Oh yeah... just like the lady who trained her kid how to shoot assault rifles in Connecticut. I do feel much safer....
Tired of the B.S.
2:21 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
If you don't like guns, that is OK with me.
Just as the first amendment gives you the right to freely express yourself, the second amendment gives me the right to own guns.
When you give up your right to free speech, I will give up my right to bear arms.
By the way, I served so that you could enjoy these and many other freedoms that we all enjoy in this great country.
One of the biggest differences between you and I is that I would not try to take your freedoms away, while you and others seem to want to take away mine.
2:31 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The second amendment provides for a militia because it was written before we had police and a military. Militias are no longer useful. I also don't think that assault rifles were invented in 1789. I believe they still used single shot muskets. You can correct me if I am wrong on that. The Constitution also failed to ban slavery or the right for women to vote. Times change. I appreciate your service to our country. I am simply saying that knowing you have guns in your house and train your children to shoot, doesn't make me feel any safer.
Tired of the B.S.
2:47 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The fact that I have guns is not for YOU to feel safer. It is for me and mine to BE safer.
As far as what the second amendment was for, I was taught that the second amendment is there so that the people had a way to protect themselves against a tyrannical government.
By the way, pretty sure that we had a military at the time the Constitution was written. Remember that guy named General George Washington? He was in command of our military when we fought the English for our freedom.
2:57 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
BS - AJ is the one correct on the 2nd Amendment. Maybe you should own a gun from 1791 when the 2nd Amendment was created. If our founding fathers could see how people have abused that and created weapons solely used to hunt people, they'd be ashamed.
3:43 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes, I remember George Washington. His Continental Army disbanded after the Revolutionary War, before the Constitution was written. Militias were used as the nations ground army. That is why the 2nd amendment refers to militias.
As I stated before, militias are no longer a necessity.
I am glad you and yours feel safer with a bunch of guns in your home. I suppose you are also prepping for the world to end on Friday too. All the best to you.
Donn Lusung
4:21 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Tired of the B.S.
As I previously stated, don't tel me you walk around your house strapped with a weapon the entire time in which would be the only case you would feel safe. I'm sure you have it somewhere up in your room, in some box buried under clothes or in your closet. So don't give us this B.S. excuse your safe at your home when/if someone breaks in because we all know you won't have time to run upstairs and grab the weapon as if the robber won't chase you. Or what if the robber had a weapon himself and yours was upstairs. Tell me what the hell would you do then? Unless you really walk around with a gun on your hip the entire time when your HOME, your not safe.
Tired of the B.S.
4:48 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hey Donn,
Since you seem to think you know so much about me and what I do or don't do in my house, why don't you stop by and see what happens when you kick in my door.
I believe that when my dogs are done with you, I might not even need my gun, but I will have plenty of time to get to one of them and will be ready to use it if needed.
Moving Target
5:00 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I'll have some of whatever Emily is taking or smoking, please!
Mrs. Featherbottom
11:43 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
All the concern with what they are wearing. Do you know how easy it is to change your clothes?
Tired of the B.S.
1:18 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
A J and Emily
You are both wrong.
First A J, The United States of America has always had a military.
The U.S. Navy has been in existence since October 13, 1775.
The army was disbanded because we won, we had an ocean as a moat to keep our enemies at bay, a navy was the smartest choice for our forefathers. They were almost as broke then as we are now.
Emily, while I know some people that hunt with muzzle loaders (those are guns that are similar to what they had in 1791) I think that those guns are actually kinda dangerous, you know, all that loose gunpowder and stuff. I think modern guns are much safer.
A J, if the founding fathers had fought with assault rifles, I'm sure that those would have been the ones that they spoke of when they wrote " the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
While you both seem to know about the militia part of the Second Amendment, you seem to forget the second part.
This amendment is very short and I think that was to stop any "interpretation" of what it means.
#1 establish a militia, no longer necessary due to our military.
#2 allow regular citizens to have a means of protection for their own safety and to keep the government from becoming tyrannical. That is what we had just fought a war to get away from and I don't think they wanted to fight again.
Tired of the B.S.
1:19 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
One of the things both of you seem to forget was that the Constitution was not written to keep the citizens under control of the government, but to keep the government under control of the people.
That's why it starts with:
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
It did not start with We the government of the United States.
It was written by the people for the people.
Michael M.
5:25 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey AJ- did you know the constitution does not provide for a right to vote for anyone? All it says is that IF you are allowed to vote then you can't discriminate. I dare you to find the right to vote. You are also way off on the 2nd amendment. You left out the part about "the right of the people", but that just makes it convenient for you.
Mary ann meskill
1:17 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Just so u know my son in law is a jail guard they dont make good money its shit pay
Tired of the B.S.
2:27 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Illinois placed fifth in the country for highest-paid correctional officers, with salaries of $51,530.
That doesn't seem too bad to me.
Mary Carumba
2:45 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Your son in law apparent;y isn't too good at jail guarding. Escaping down 15 floors by rope means your boy is asleep on the job. I'd say the guards are way over paid based on this escape.
2:55 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Did this woman say he was the one in charge or even on duty? Jumping down her throat is doing no one any good except feeding your need to be mean and spiteful.
Mary Carumba
3:30 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You seem a little cranky, accusing people of the very things you do best.
Go eat another box of doughnuts.
Mike F.
4:44 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
FYI, the Metropolitan Correctional Center is a federal holding facility, not State of Illinois. That's why the FBI is involved.
1:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
People still escape prisons tying bed sheets together?!?!
Blackhawks Fan
1:26 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
If these two can figure out how to escape I wonder when more will be leaving!!!
1:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I think if they were smart enough to break out of jail, they are certainly smart enough not to hang out at one of their mothers house. They are long gone.
2:04 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Right! Why would they go to a family member's house? That's the first place the PoPo's would look. I agree with someone's comment that they had some help.
None ya business
1:31 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I am hearing helicopters and sirens near 175th and Harlem. Are you SURE the police have left the area?
Rose Cooper
1:38 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Does anyone know if they are still in Tinley Park area? It's freaking me out not knowing where they are and if they've been caught or spotted!!
None ya business
1:47 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Rose, I am freaking out too....but then again, the escapee's have to be freaking out more than us. Let's pray they are apprehended and sent back to jail soon.
1:46 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yep, helicopters still searching around 159th and Oak Park. They're still looking.
1:48 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
On the scanner this morning they said Banks was looking at life in prison so he most likely will not go quietly. That's the reason for being cautious not knowing what he will do...
2:12 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Cautious is the best word. Fear is not real. Be cautious and calm.
Conceal and Carry
5:45 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Mike F...I can and will go there...last I checked I lived in America...I have the right to the freedom of speech and the right to own a gun....and you for one won't keep me from doing either.
1:54 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
There are alot of older people in that area and around 171st please people keep a watchful eye around your older seniors who may live alone !!!
Jon Azavedo
12:06 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I personally know of a family of dwarfs (or is that dwarves) who live around 171st. Please keep an eye out for small people who travel in packs!
1:57 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I hear the helicopters as well still...this is very scary. To think you live in a good area...any more sightings??
2:19 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Thank u Emily!! I'm thinking they are long out of the area!
Kristina Flutman
2:01 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I just don't want them around the schools, that's a scary thought!!
2:14 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
It is scary which is why the schools went on soft lockdown. The kids are fine.
Mokena Mike
2:05 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
What if the reason these guys escaped is because they're innocent? What if a one-armed man is the true culprit and these guys have to take a job as a custodian at a local hospital to prove their innocence?
That would be awesome.
2:15 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Mike - I appreciate the humor but I don't think it's helping.
Tired of the B.S.
2:34 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Very funny and way to go Mike.
Still laughing!!
Mrs. Featherbottom
11:50 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Emily, I don't like you. You're kind of a mook.
Jon Azavedo
12:09 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Emily, if a light sleep can sleep w/ the light on, can a hard sleeper sleep with a hardon? badaboom. I'm appearing all week at Wally's Tap.
D Greg
2:15 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Conley was a student at Shepard. A notorious thief even in his high school days.
Tired of the B.S.
2:35 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
"What I want out of each and every one of you is a hard target search of every gas station, residence, warehouse, farmhouse, henhouse, outhouse, and dog house in that area."
2:26 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Just received a call from school district 146. Apparently police do not believe there is any more threat in the area and schools will be dismissed as usual with a higher police presence. All after school activities cancelled though.
2:38 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I'm not so certain about the police believing there's no more threat in the area. The helicopters are still out searching, concentrating on the wooded areas. I would assume they think they're laying low until it gets dark. I would recommend staying off the walking trails for the rest of the day.
Blackhawks Fan
2:32 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
According to ABC Chicago, police said it was not likely the two escaped with weapons, but they are still being considered armed and dangerous. The men could be wearing white t-shirts, grey sweatpants and white gym shoes.
Banks is the so-called "Secondhand Bandit," according to the Chicago Sun-Times. After he was convicted last week, Banks vowed to the judge, "You'll hear from me!"
2:46 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I say they jumped on the early morning Metra to Tinley! How did they pay their fare?
Ted Tucker
3:07 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I can't believe some of the conversation going on here. You go from asking what the criminals did without reading the headlines or the article to conceal carry to bashing cops, etc. I guess the intellectual level of Americans has really deteriorated considerably. Hey, maybe it's all the processed crap entering the body.
richard fitswell
3:19 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Check Costco the chocolate milk there is to die for...first place i'd go.
Brian Sergen
3:19 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
These 2 guys killed 2 people in oak forest ..... The fire is linked to them
Lauren Traut
3:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
There is no confirmation of that, Brian. If we receive verification that the two are linked, you can be certain that Patch will report it.
Thank you.
Lauren Traut,
Associate Regional Editor
Live and Let Live
3:23 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Source for your information? I heard one dead and one injured in that fire. And there's nothing on a link from what I can find.
3:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
They probably hid in the bathrooms on the train.
Ron Jeremy
3:23 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I applaud the crooks' initiative and social consciousness. Look how they recycled those bed sheets and used an eco-friendly mode of transport.
It does make me a bit nervous hearing those choppers overhead- oh - hold on. Somebody at the door......
Brian Sergen
3:29 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Live and Let Live
3:32 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
And I'm sure they just release information to you all the time that has not been shared with anyone else. Cool.
3:35 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You need to stop spreading false reports to create panic.
J. Ann
7:36 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
somebody wanted what she's smoking.....she's actually very peaceful...;)
Mokena Mike
3:39 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
DHD and Emily clearly have an undeniable chemistry. Wait a second, wait for it...Is this Patch.com or Match.com?
Oh my God! That's comedy gold, people! Gold!
Donn Lusung
4:41 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
That was by far the worse fake joke I have ever heard in my life
Jon Azavedo
12:13 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Listening to police scanner, patrols to search all streets that rhyme with vagina.......patrols dispatched to Regina, Paulina and Lunt.
3:45 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
you guys have no respect or morales this isnt about anything but the tragic family that lost a mother due to these assholes escaping prison...think about more than yourselves for once in your life
Live and Let Live
3:53 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Again...where is your information coming from? There is no report of the prison break having anything to do with that fire.
richard fitswell
3:47 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
those conducters on metra are sharp . try riding in the vestibule for just one stop.
3:55 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
come do you really believe in your right minds that this all happens at the same time and its just a coincedence...i dont need evidence the facts are in front of everybodies face
Live and Let Live
3:57 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I don't really think we need your opinion of what happened. Rumors just cause problems. Facts only please.
Mike F.
4:28 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Do you also believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy?
Marcus Bernath
4:11 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Guns don't kill people,people kill people.Period!!!!!!!
Tired of the B.S.
7:50 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
And so do people with an almost unlimited supply of other means.
The common denominator in all killing with whatever, is people.
4:17 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Is the period the end of your sentence or are the exclamation points?
4:26 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
In 1985 two fed informers, one a convicted murderer of a cardiologist and brother of a NY TIMES Pulitzer winner, he was BERNIE WELCH called the millionaire bandit he drove around town in a 40,000 BENZ (1985) he and another prisoner escaped from the same METRO FED hi rise jail on Van Buren.
They used sheets and a long electric cord anchored by a floor buffer after punching a hole with a 50 pd wt thru the wall next to a window.
They were never seen or heard from again despite Tommy Lee JONES best efforts.
Moving Target
6:01 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Jeez, that has to be the longest electric cord EVER !!!! Didn't anyone ever think to follow it? Unless it was a retractable cord, unlikely back then, there should be cord knots ALLL Over!
4:27 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
you people are all idiots there is a family in tradgedy cause nobody noticed to convicts escaping from a 15 story building
Mike F.
4:32 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Get this through your thick skull.
Donn Lusung
4:38 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
coming from the person who didn't use "two" correctly
Who cares
4:33 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You people have way too much time on your hands...I love all the pre-judging going on...you think with what just happened in Connecticut you people would be a little bit more kinder to each other and it's the holidays!
what what
4:47 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I heard somewhere this is connected to the oak forest fire .
5:04 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
the news just reported on the fire and said nothing of it being connected to these two men
Janice Hankosky
5:07 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
So, did they get off at the $6 or $13 million dollar station in Tinley?
5:35 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
i would like to know what will happen to the people that called in nthe false alarm at bank my daughter was inside when police came she was so upset all she could think about not seeing her 2 small children again . what will happen to them a slap on the hand.
6:46 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Based on her comments throughout I would bet that Emily is at least a 400 pounder.
7:03 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Based on your post, your mother clearly failed to teach you manners. Either that, or you failed her miserably.
Chronicles of Bob
7:04 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Guns dont kill people... thats one of the funniee and dumbest things ive heard. The sole purpose a gun is made is to kill as rapidly and effectively as possible.
Conceal and Carry
7:20 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
It is a saying that goes "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" Find me a gun that has killed someone without the help of human interaction....Ultimately it is indeed the person holding the gun that kills people. Idiot!
7:27 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The gun only goes off when someone pulls the trigger therefore it is people killing people
Chronicles of Bob
7:27 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes i know its a saying... and its about as dumb as you are. Give a whack job a gun... dont worry its not the guns fault...
Im sure you're the guy that would pull your concealed gun if you heard gun shots at the supermarket, turned the corner and saw a guy with a gun... what would ya do tough guy?
Live and Let Live
7:48 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
More would get accomplished by a shooter seeing someone conceal carrying...he doesn't necessarily even have to shoot. For example, the Oregon mall shooting. There was a man conceal carrying, went to get a closer shot, the shooter saw the man with the gun, then shot himself. Would the shooter have killed more than two people had that man not concealed a weapon for defense? Who knows, but it sure seems like it to me. I am a proud American. I believe in the Constitution. the 2nd Amendment exists for reasons beyond what you are considering. It is what we can use to protect ourselves not only from criminals on the streets, but the government as well if need be. If you disagree with the Constitutional right to have guns, then that is your choice, but do not bash what you clearly do not understand. There are many things I disagree with that our government does, but as a citizen of the United States, I follow the rules. Conflict sells, success stories do not. The past few crimes/deaths in the area I can think of involved a car, bats and clubs, and fire. It is not going to solve anything to take our Constitutional rights away. If you have ever been a defenseless victim of a crime you may understand better. Have a good night.
Chronicles of Bob
8:14 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Who said anyone was taking your rights away... they do more to stop drunk drivers than people selling guns to retards and felons...
You love the constitution...thats hilarious... you guys are dumb asses...
Conceal and Carry
8:18 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Why yes I indeed would pull my gun if that was the case...if it helped saved the lives of others...but that is the difference between you and I...I have the backbone and strength to do it..as I'm sure you will be the one hiding in the corner wishing you had something to protect yourself. Have a great night!
Live and Let Live
8:22 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Have you ever applied for your FOID? Gone through the process to obtain a gun? All gun regulations and restrictions accomplish is imposing those rules on legal gun transactions. You can not own a gun legally if you are as you say "retarded" or a felon. If these people are getting guns, I assure you it is not legally. As a law abiding citizen, along with millions of others, we follow the rules. Criminals will ALWAYS break them, they are currently breaking them now. And yes, I do love the Constitution because it was written for all of us, to protect us and are rights to be free. If you want to call me a "dumbass" that is your opinion, which you are entitled to, but may I suggest you read Thomas Paine's writing called Common Sense as well as reread the Constitution (assuming you have read it in the first place).
Chronicles of Bob
8:34 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes conceal and you certainly would shoot the wrong person...
You are my hero... so tuff... a simple insult on patch and you're already in a rage... yes id love to see you with a gun... im sure we'd all be so safe... what a dbag
Conceal and Carry
10:42 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Bob what you clearly fail to see is that in order to obtain a conceal and carry there are classes and training that needs to be done prior to that. Your ignorance is why the world is the way it is. Please don't fault us for your lack of intelligence and understanding of obtaining a gun legally. Before you run your mouth check your facts.
Mrs. Featherbottom
1:47 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
"You love the constitution...thats hilarious... you guys are dumb asses..."
You do know that you choose to live in this country right? If you don't like it, go to Canada or Mexico, we'd be glad to be rid of a moron like you. If you didn't know, criminals aren't really sticklers for following the law. Yes lets make guns illegal to get them off our streets, oh and then lets make heroin and cocaine illegal too so they'll get off of our streets. Oh wait, we did. Drugs aren't anywhere to be found anymore.
Mrs. Featherbottom
1:48 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
And Bob, hunny, you're the only one who is freaking out. The rest of us are talking at you like real adults.
Conceal and Carry
2:44 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Bob.... When the law abiding citizens refer to conceal and carry we are referring to the LEGAL way to do it. The fact that you choose to call people "retards" just shows your lack of respect towards those that are mentally challenged, and your ignorance in general. So do us all a favor and put your rose colored glasses back on and live in your world where you are always right because none of us care to listen to your childish banter and your lack of respect towards people. If you don't like the fact that Illinois will pass the conceal and carry by May 2013, head north to Canada or south to Mexico as suggested before because there is one state left that does not allow conceal and carry which I am sure will change soon.
Chronicles of Bob
8:59 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Training and Classes... That is what you say there CC... police, military... They go thru more training that any average citizen, yet they often will have wrongful shootings. Especially under stressful situations... I wouldn't trust a dope like you for a second with a gun. Stop acting like such a tough ass...
Michael M.
5:30 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Linda has an excessively small brain. You contribute nothing to the conversation.
Tired of the B.S.
5:31 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Are you speaking from experience?
In other words, does your statement mean that you have personally seen the wiener of every guy with a gun? What did you use for comparison?
You have been a very naughty and busy girl, haven't you?
By the way, maybe their wieners are not small, maybe your mouth and vagina are extremely large
7:46 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
According to the update, these two might be in New Lenox?? I thought the possibility of them being in Tinley was too close, now they might be here???
11:25 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Kimberly, I don't think they would be in one place for too long. They do have some cleverness and streetwise skills to them to have gone from the correctional facility practically undetected allegedly to Tinley then to New Lenox. If I were them, I'd be hot on my feet too making sure to not keep in one place too long.
As for the comments about a similarity to Lane Bryant and these guys. There is a better chance of finding these guys since their identities are pretty well known to PD. They may change their looks and clothes, but at least there is a solid base of who is being sought out. Doesn't make it 100% foolproof that we will get them, but it makes the odds of catching them much higher than the unknown suspect of the LB case.
Again, no town in the area is safe. No reason to panic, but at the same time people should be extra careful, make sure their doors are locked, houses secured, car secured and nothing valuable to steal. Without financial support these guys will have a harder time running/hiding. So don't leave your valuables out for these guys or any criminal to take and resell for more cash to add additional speed to their escape.
Watch yourselves and also watch out for your neighbors, too.
8:02 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
I have the right to protect my family inside and out of my home, guns were made for protection, if saw a person in a supermarket with a gun drawn , at the ready to do harm, yes I would protect myself and possible save a loved one of yours!
Chronicles of Bob
8:17 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes and you just shot the other hero that was concealing while the shooter is in the meat section stealing shrimp... great job batman...
Mia Butreeks
8:34 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
WGN just reported "Dog" is coming and he's bringing Leland!
CB Loser
8:34 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
In the meat section stealing shrimp? Must be standing next to you while you're beating yours.
Chronicles of Bob
8:37 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Yes people can get guns legally with no back ground check... get a clue... throw the constitution around when it fits...such hypocrites ...
Live and Let Live
8:46 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Actually, please do not share. As I look back on your comments and insults, it is clear to me that you must be a child and I feel it is not right to debate with a child. Have a good day at school tomorrow though.
Chronicles of Bob
8:55 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
non lisensed Dealers at gun shows can sell weopons with out the need of checks. I can go on but you guys are.... well il stay clear of the insults...
Tired of the B.S.
4:32 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Why start now? Every post you have made previously on this thread has contained at least one insult.
Michael M.
5:34 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Not true. You ever been to a gun show? It depends on the state. I went to a gun show in Indiana, if you live there the state law allows you to buy a gun and walk out with it. But, if I wanted to buy a gun it is different. I would have to fill out the sellers paper work, then he has to walk it over to a guy who has a Federal Firearms License, the FFL guy then will do a background check and follow Illinois or home state laws; which will require me to wait 3 days I think, have a FOID card. There is no loophole as some people claim; it is all state law.
what what
9:29 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Hurricane sandy + sandy hook = sandy duncan's glass eye (think about it)
steve leamy
9:38 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Does anyone really think that Illinois politicians will get conceal carry through. Come one this is the most corrupt state. One congressman indicted and his wife doesn't live in the city but is allowed to be the alderman of the 7th ward, a state rep. thrown out of the house and then was re-elected anyway., a mayor who didn't meet the residency requirements, but got elected because he was buds with the pres.. I carry anyway but legal conceal carry, dream on
Live and Let Live
10:17 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Agree with you, but we can hope! We are the last state in the union to join in on conceal carry, also Chicago gun crimes being among the highest in the country. How can they deny there is a correlation between the two? I guess we will know in a little less than 180 days when they make the rules for carry.
Tired of the B.S.
11:02 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
They have no choice, a federal appeals court has ruled it unconstitutional and has ordered that Illinois has 180 days to "allow the Illinois legislature to craft a new gun law that will impose reasonable limitations, consistent with the public safety and the Second Amendment as interpreted in this opinion, on the carrying of guns in public,"
Great day for law abiding citizens in Illinois.
Conceal and Carry
2:50 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Yes...Illinois has until May 2013 to enact conceal and carry laws...
9:58 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
You can buy guns on the buy sell sites on Facebook, money talks im sure not everyone checks for a foid card...
Live and Let Live
10:08 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Thus proving the point that the only people being affected by gun regulations would be law abiding citizens. Criminals will get guns no matter what. It is 100% fact. FOID card or no FOID, so why do innocent people have to suffer and not be able to protect themselves? I do agree that money talks, that is how most illegal guns are obtained.
10:23 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
The sad thing is the government watches anything bad or offensive, public or private said about Obama but cant monitor a simple web site like Facebook, craigslist or even the trader for gun sales!!!
Tired of the B.S.
10:51 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
Here are some interesting facts that I read on the CDC website today:
Deaths related to alcohol in 2011 - around 80,000
Deaths related to guns in 2011 - around 31,000
We already tried to ban alcohol, even passed a Constitutional amendment to stop the production, sale, and consumption of alcohol, what did that accomplish?
I am seeing on the news that stores are pulling their gun displays and the company that owned Bushmaster is selling it because of this tragedy.
Will stores that sell Budweiser stop selling beer if a guy who got drunk on beer hits a school bus and kills 20 kids? I think not.
More gun controls are not the answer, a knee jerk reaction will not solve this problem.
At some point, we need to stop blaming the item used to kill, whether it be guns, alcohol, explosives(remember Oklahoma City, 19 kids and a total of 168 killed and not one gun, it was fertilizer and gas) and start to blame the people that do the killing.
Mrs. Featherbottom
1:54 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I agree with you almost on everything. I believe in our right to have a gun, but I think assault style weapons are over doing it. Hand guns, sure, hunting rifles and shot guns, with a hunting license, sure. That should be the law and only guns available to the general public. Military grade weapons or similar should be left to the military only.
Chronicles of Bob
8:26 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
YES TBS, you are correct. Aboloshment is not the answer... However, proper control and education will help curb it. It won't stop it, but it help...
I am quite confident that without the education about DUI, alchol , the enforcment and so on we would have 3X as many deaths... How many "Don't text while You drive" commercials to we see now?
Hugo Urias
11:12 pm on Tuesday, December 18, 2012
If he was smart enough to hide 500k and then break out of prison he is smart enough to leave the country immediately.
Chronicles of Bob
8:21 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
There are dozens and dozens of laws controlling alchol consumption, at the point of sale and the laws for breaking said laws... The comparisions some of you make just distract from the problems of guns... There is a 100X more effort to educate people about alchol than gun saftey...
When did anyone ever say anything about taking your guns away? You say things like move to Canada... Wow, and I'm the stupid one?
Tired of the B.S.
9:41 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
There are also "dozens and dozens of laws" controlling the purchase and ownership of guns. Why do you think that more laws will help.
By the way, the word I think you were trying to spell is alcohol.
The other word that I think you wanted is spelled abolishment.
The other word that I think you wanted is spelled enforcement.
Maybe a little more time spent learning and a little less time spent whining would help.
Wow, and you are the stupid one? You said it, not me
10:05 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey Tired don't be such an asshole....it's Christmas time! Did you not understand what he was trying to say? Some people attempt to contribute despite being very busy. Have you read this read this thread? Spell check is the least of its problems! More specific and better enforcement of current gun laws will not solve all gun crimes/tragedies, but can make a difference! As a hunter who also enjoys common sense I know any new gun laws won't affect me in the least. So in summary be nice it's Christmas, and you're a asshole! I spelled that right, didn't I?
Tired of the B.S.
10:40 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey Beating whatever,
Way to chime in with such an intelligent response to my post. Maybe next time you could call me some other names.
Yes, I " Have you read this read this thread?" and have made several points without ever resorting to vulgarity.
COB does not need your help, as limited as it may be, to respond to me. We have agreed and disagreed in the past, again without any name calling or vulgarity.
If you had bothered to read what I have said, you would see that the problem is not the guns, it is the people using, or maybe a better word is misusing them.
Thank you for wishing me a Merry Christmas and yes, you did spell that word correctly, but then I'm sure it is easy for you to spell your own name.
Chronicles of Bob
10:43 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Where did I say more laws... I said gun control, better laws, education...
Then tell me, why do democratic countries like Canada, Germany, France, England and so on... Have less than 100 gun deaths per year, if there isn't a better way. I have never said anything will stop it... However, stop distracting from the problem and admit there is one...
Chronicles of Bob
8:23 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Conceal n Carry... You are the one that is clueless... almost half of all guns are bought legally with no back ground checks... All of these shooting in malls and schools were done with legal guns...
When did I ever say that I don't want you do have a gun to protect yourself? Reading comprehension is a skill that you lack...
9:24 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Bob where do you get your information from? The left wing gun grabbing media? 50% of guns are not bought without a background check
Chronicles of Bob
10:40 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I said almost half... Go to a gun show, goto an unlisenced dealer.. No checks... Go to a gun store, yes there are checks, but you can still sell to almost anyone.
Once the check is done, a person can buy as many weapons as they want... So tell me, when that guy who just bought 25 guns, will he sell them, or sleep with them?
Stop being such a fool...
10:15 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Well i hope thay still have money for chrismas clothes hell as good as thay are there probley playing santa and getting picures with our kids at the mall
10:34 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Bank robbers oh ya there real crooks well i wont look for them ha ha glad to see some one has money if you guys are worried about tax payers money the start watching to police force in manhattan and will county cops to i almost got hit at a stop sighn why he was texting how do i no this he pulled over and pulled to the side of the road then i turned around drove be looked in the window he was shookin up but texting come on ive seen this a lot im going to start investigating cops with special cameras im looking in to it now then im posting the car number and there picure on face book and other places at restraunts ive seen tge police treat people ignorant in manhattan thay swear at you a lot we teach our kids not to say tge. F. WORD. but thay can and its time we fight back and start watching our police forces now right now there getting out of hand we are who the cops are supose to protect but thay are abble to talk on cell phones and text while driving there breaking the law so please every one start using your cameras when pulled over our hid tape recordings in your cars then lets see how the tax payers feel sucks we have to be investigators but we do and we have to do ut bow
Jon Azavedo
12:33 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Drink some cranberry juice and use a period.
Chronicles of Bob
10:37 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Wow tired, and I thought we were ok with each other? I guess not... So you're going to compare Abolition to gun control... Are you that stupid? Once that law passed it provided a market for a very easily made substance that many people still wanted. Once you took it out of legal hands, and there was a profit to be made, it exploded. The mistake was realized and it was fixed.
When was the last time you were able to go to someones basement and they were able to whip a good Ak or AR for you? You know any good blacksmiths that can weld me a sword?
I'm whining? No, I'm using common sense... No one on here ever said, especially me, that I want to stomp on anyones rights. If you honestly can say that the laws amd the education we have today regarding drinking isn't helping then you are a fool.
Tired of the B.S.
10:58 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey COB,
Just because we are on different sides of this issue does not mean that we are not "ok with each other".
Can you answer the question that I posed? What do you think would happen if a drunk driver hit a school bus and killed 20 children?
Do you think that the President would go on TV saying that we need to change the rules regarding alcohol?
There are around 220 people that will die today because of alcohol. There are around 220 people that will die tomorrow because of alcohol. This will continue every day and I still see alcohol advertised and even promoted at every turn. Why is it that guns are this huge problem when alcohol is causing almost double the amount of deaths each and every year?
What about tobacco?
Around 443,000 people will die from tobacco this year, that works out to about 1200 dead today and another 1200 dead tomorrow and so on.
Where is the public outcry about these deaths?
You want more laws and restrictions placed on responsible gun owners? How did that work in the 28 years that guns were ILLEGAL in the city of Chicago?
How is that working in Mexico, where it is not only illegal to own a gun, but also illegal to own ammunition?
As I said, maybe it is time to stop blaming the object whether it be guns, knives, alcohol, tobacco, or anything else and try to solve this problem by fixing the one common denominator.....people.
Chronicles of Bob
11:08 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You are the one that attacked my spelling, or lack there of.
Most alcohol related deaths are self incflicted. Yes, there are horrible drinking related accidents every day. Yes, I believe there would be more if we didn't have the education and laws that we have. You seem to keep ignoring the word education that I have used over and over. That is directly geared towards people. Just as you said, people drink, and people pull the trigger. I agree with that.
However, to say it's people, not guns, so leave my amendment alone is stupid.
I see very little if any public awarness of guns, and gun saftey. And yes, stronger laws are needed. Stronger laws do not mena stepping on peoples rights.
Tobacco is another self inflicted death. As knowledge about smoking and second hand smoke grew, many steps were taken to curb it. No smoking in public places, it is taxed to the gills, and so on...
Whats the tax if you want to buy an militart grade assult rifle?
If you pass a background check, is there any limit to how many you can buy?
Why can you then goto a gun show as an unlisenced dealer and sell those rifles to anyone?
If you don't feel that we need more education and better laws for what I said above, then ok, whatever...
Chronicles of Bob
11:09 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Answer my question... Because I don't know for sure...
Why are the gun related incidents in so many other domocratic nations so DRASTICALLY below ours?
Tired of the B.S.
11:32 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
To answer your question, While I'm not sure, I think it may have to do with the amount of guns that we have compared to those other countries.
For example, in America, there are around 88 guns for every 100 people. In England, that number is around 6 guns for every 100 people.
I have not said that I am against better laws to control who may or may not purchase and own guns, what I have said, over and over, is that the guns are not the ones killing, it is the people that use them.
One of the laws that may help is the one to close the loophole about selling guns at gun shows. Several states, Illinois among them, have done this already. More laws are not the answer, better enforcement of the laws we have might be.
Mrs. Featherbottom
10:20 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
COB, you obviously ignored education your entire life. And other countries don't have the same rights as we do. They aren't the "land of the free". Education is good, yes. When it comes down to it though, it doesn't matter what you've been taught. You can tell someone over and over that if they are going to drink and drive they will kill someone. If you are going to text and drive you will kill someone. If you are going to leave guns laying around and not it a secure case, your kids are going to find it and kill someone. No one actually listens until they kill someone. Education can only get you so far, the rest is up to you. You have to be the one to make right choices. We can't live someones life for them. Most people are smart enough to pick up on these things without being told. We have the ads and commercials for the benefit of people with out common sense; which is extremely uncommon. I'm speaking in general now, not attacking you Bob. It's your job as a parent to educate your children on the dangers of all these things, not the government, not the police, not your next door neighbor. YOU. You owe it to your children to keep them safe, informed, and reliable. My generation is going to be in charge soon and trust me, we don't take crap and spoil everyone like previous generations. When it comes down to it, stupid people are the people that kill others because of stupid actions and ruin it for the rest of us, whose parents raised us right.
Dilly Bar
10:45 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Mike @ 10:34 am,
Maybe you should go back to school instead of worrying what the police are doing.
Chronicles of Bob
10:53 am on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Who is taking anyones rights away when they ask for better gun laws? Every constitutional right has limits. Many have been changed as we develop and learn as a country.
Mary Carumba
1:28 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
This will be a very dangerous country if only criminals are armed.
Mike F.
1:48 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Whenever I think of gun nuts like Mary and whoever else here saying they only feel safe with a gun, I hear the Creedence Clearwater Revival song "Run Through The Jungle" in my head.
Michael M.
2:23 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
To all. I would like you to let us know how you protect yourself. And you can not say call the police; ask any officer and they will tell you that they investigate crimes, they do not prevent or stop crimes. So someone breaks into your house as you're sleeping and he has a gun, what will you do?
Mike F.
2:42 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Michael, I suppose you take the appropriate safety measures (keep the safety on, trigger lock, unloading the weapon) before you go to bed right? Or are you like Mel Gibson's character in "Lethal Weapon", sleeping with the gun under your pillow. Try loading your gun or removing the trigger lock after being roused from a sound sleep. See how that works out for you.
Michael M.
3:22 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Mike F. I am going to surprise you....I do not own a gun. I am all about the rights of the people. I have not fired a gun in over 25 years, and that was at a firing range and it was the only time I ever fired a gun. I believe that you have a right to defend yourself, by whatever means you can, and the constitution and the SCOTUS has protected that right in regards to guns. At least i know I can purchase a gun if I feel I need one.
Tired of the B.S.
3:22 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Mike F.
Whenever somebody starts with the words "gun nuts" to describe people that own guns, I realize that there is no point even trying to have any discussion on the matter of gun control. To you, anybody with a gun is a gun nut. I'll let you in on a little secret, we are not all nuts. The vast majority are responsible GUN OWNERS and we follow the rules regarding safe gun ownership.
For you to try to tell me or any other responsible gun owner what the rules of safe gun ownership are would be like Colonel Sanders giving advise to chickens on how to have a long life.
I would not need to load my gun or remove the trigger lock if roused from a sound sleep, because in my home, when we are there, at least one gun is loaded and ready for use. I don't sleep with one under my pillow, but do have one within arms reach.
When we are not home, any gun that stays home is locked up and not accessible to any burglar unless they can either crack my safe or carry it out after they somehow break the bolts that secure it to my floor.
I have never said that I only feel safe with a gun, but I do feel safer knowing that I have the capability to protect my family should the need arise.
Mrs. Featherbottom
10:34 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
I do not own a gun, but I believe in our right to own one. I am educated on guns because my father taught me. I have never shot up a school or even threatened to. Not every single person is the same, but to rap-up educated, responsible adults in with criminals is just ridiculous. If we had no right to own a weapon, criminals would still have guns - have access to guns - and continue to rob banks, commit hate crimes, commit gang warfare, shoot innocent bystanders, and kill each other with guns.
I certainly believe in limits to gun control. If you don't have a hunting license, you don't need a hunting rifle. Assault style weapons are nothing more then the equivalent to a nice shiny red sports car for your midlife crisis. You have absolutely no need for them in any real life situation (zombies don't really exists).
I'm not a criminal. I am educated. I don't kill people. However, I know how to use a gun and I'm a pretty damn good shot.
And you best believe if we actually had war on our soil, in this day and age, you'd all be ranting and raving about how we need MORE guns. Unless, you want your women and children to get raped.
Cynthia Bergier
1:50 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Don't take my booze or ill' shoot yew.
I get dibs on the movie rights for this caper.
2:06 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I don't mind conceal and carry as long as its not semi automatic or automatic weapon or some such other weapon.
How about limiting sales to 17th and 18th century type pistols and muskets that have to be front loaded with a charge and musket ball, just like our forefathers used about the time the Second Amendment was drafted some time after the Revolutionary War and decades thereafter.
With God-like responsibilities over life and death, comes an awesome expense. A liability insurance policy for $5 million dollars with each purchase of a gun or other weapon, renewable annually as a condition of a gun permit that would also need to be renewed annually, for as long as the registered owner owns the gun. Training and back ground checks with incumbent expenses for each year of license renewal. No Insurance. no license. If the weapon is lost, stolen or mis-placed liability continues for several years thereafter, and insurance must be kept in effect for that term, whatever the term.. Five years seems good. The weapon must be brought in once each year to the local police station of the residence of the owner, to confirm possession by the rightful owner, along with the existing gun permit to be renewed , and the new insurance policy for the upcoming year.
The 2nd Amendment is the Law, but you can legislate around it to balance the responsibilities of such ownership.
Tired of the B.S.
2:57 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Why stop there?
There are plenty of people killed with knives every year. Can you imagine how much it would cost for a $5 million liability policy for each and every knife that you own?
Don't forget rocks. Plenty of people are killed with rocks every year. Get ready to pay through the nose for your rock liability insurance.
We also have to worry about baseball bats, sticks, scissors, pens, bow and arrows, shoelaces, power cords, pillows, plastic bags, fists, hammers, screwdrivers, saws, all types of household cleaners,........the list is endless.
Remember, you want to balance the responsibility of ownership and everything on my list has been and will be again, used to kill.
Michael M.
2:25 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Does anyone know what semi-automatic is? It only refers to the loading of the gun, not the firing. It is still one trigger pull, one bullet. Only automatics have one pull, several bullets. Semi-automatic is no different than a revolver.
Michael M.
2:26 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
What other rights are you people prepared to give up in the name of safety?
Chronicles of Bob
3:16 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Again... what rights has anyone been asked to give up? Answer that first.
Tired of the B.S.
4:54 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
DUI checkpoints.
These are in direct violation of the 4th amendment.
Although acknowledging that such roadblocks violate a fundamental constitutional right, Chief Justice Rehnquist argued that they are necessary in order to reduce drunk driving.
So there is your answer, the Chief Justice acknowledged, in his ruling, that DUI checkpoints are unconstitutional but let them happen anyways.
Mike F.
5:53 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
TOTBS, would you rather have a drunk driver plow into your house and kill your family as long as "his rights" are protected?
Tired of the B.S.
7:46 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Mike F.
I would rather that did not happen, but by your logic, anything that anyone does that poses a threat to anyone should be stopped or regulated by the government. I prefer to live a life that is free as guaranteed by the rights I have thanks to the Constitution.
Mike F.
8:41 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
TOTBS, I was citing your example. Don't extrapolate. Implied consent laws have been challenged in courts and have been upheld.
Tired of the B.S.
9:26 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Mike F.
I have no problem with the police giving tests to determine whether or not a driver is impaired, as long as there was a reason for the police to pull the driver over first.
How can you not see that being stopped and questioned by the police for no reason is wrong. The Chief Justice himself said that this practice was unconstitutional.
How would you feel if the police came to your house, forced you to let them in, and searched your house for a "safety inspection"?
Would you allow them to force you to show your bank records because some people cheat on their taxes?
Would you want the government to have access to your medical records?
Would you want the government to have access to your private communication with your lawyer?
These are the things that the 4th amendment was designed to protect and the 2nd amendment was written to give you the ability to stop these things from happening.
May I suggest that you actually read the 4th amendment, to make it easy for you, here it is:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
So when you are randomly stopped by the police without probable cause or a warrant, your 4 amendment rights are being taken away.
Mrs. Featherbottom
10:40 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
B.S. The 4th amendment and all rights similar don't exist anymore because of the Patriot Act. Thank Bush for that one.
I really don't care, I have nothing to hid. I just think it's stupid that weed is still illegal.
Michael M.
3:19 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
The patriot act-I have to be searched to fly on a plane, that violates the 4th amendment. Your turn.
3:57 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
In the Land of Lincoln, wannabe congressmen, chgo aldermen who are PI and security guards are the only ones outside of Latin Disciples and maniac everything qualified to carry a glock or 25 cal this is the favorite of the old time assassins until the mob hit-man himself Ken Ito survived 2 to the skull.
No matter the articulate and or idiotic argument common sense,ideology priorities such as mental health issues and closings of facilities while disturbed Vet's and victims of the wars for terror and drugs as well as gang bangers will certainly never be part of the upcoming dialogue, what these undeclared illegal wars are doing to the nation is far worse than the slaughter of 27 innocents by a very disturbed young man and more disturbed minds in AZ, Colorado and on,we kill more people by semi auto Bushwhackers than autos now but still far fewer than the victims of Wars for terror, drugs and the Empire with bases needed to defend the runaway Corp in Red China like Bain and to defend the Zionist state as well as seven sisters and Helliburton in the Persian Gulf.
4:30 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
If you have a gun remember, people don't kill people, people kill people ! you gotta have the balls to pull the trigger.
Billable Hours
4:30 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
So amendments have to stay the same regardless of how the world we live in continues to change??? Mike do you take a horse to work and communicate by smoke signals? You just seem like an old fashioned guy who liked the world before words like "terrorists" and "mass killings" started to threaten your precious amendments. I'll sleep better knowing my family is safe and could care less if big brother is watching, listening or putting me through a scanner!
Tired of the B.S.
5:06 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
It is people like you that "big brother" loves.
If you do not want to be in charge of your own life and instead want somebody else to make the hard decisions, might I suggest you move to a place like China or North Korea? These places will not let you have any of the freedoms that you seem so willing to give up.
I, for one, have served in the military and took an oath to uphold and protect these freedoms, with my life if need be, that are slowly being taken away in the name of safety.
So it seems that we have an easy solution, you go to a country that does not allow freedom and be safe and I will stay here and and take responsibility for myself and family.
Michael M.
5:17 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
So which amendment or right do you hold dear and think should always be preserved?
Michael M.
5:21 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
If you want to live like that then there are plenty of countries that will accommodate you. But, I am willing to bet you won't go to any of them. You just take what you have for granted, you have no clue what liberty or freedom means and what it took to get and keep them. I guess you won't mind if the police want to come search your house any time they want and for any reason or for no reason. After all that is a precious amendment.
Billable Hours
5:27 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
So mike and Tired in a hurry to put your kids on a plane full of people who weren't searched/scanned?
Michael M.
5:39 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Me and my family go to McDonald's, the mall, school, doctor, drive down the street, city council meeting Etc. None of those people are searched or scanned. So what is your point? I also like how you wont address the question I put to you.
Billable Hours
6:09 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
People don't fly McDonalds into our fricking buildings!!!!
8:05 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
No one should take their family to McDonald's. The 'food' is killing your children.
Michael M.
8:17 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Then don't take your kids there. I will take mine where I damn well please.
9:34 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You are an angry person. Must be all that fine cuisine.
Michael M.
9:41 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Not angry, just don't need you telling me what you think I should be doing. You do as you see fit and so will I.
Mrs. Featherbottom
10:46 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
Michael, I agree with you on this one. We are the land of the free, not the land of the tell your neighbor how to live their life. We ARE the land of the FREE TO tell your neighbor how to live their life though. Ha!
I do have to say that almost everyone here is borderline fascist.
Tired of the B.S.
5:44 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Billable Hours,
I most certainly would.
I put myself and children on a train without everyone being searched.
I go to the mall without being searched.
I have ridden the bus with no searches.
I go to crowded theaters without seeing the necessity of being searched.
Do you know what airport you can go through without being searched? Ben Gurion international airport, in Israel. You know, Israel, the country that all of the terrorists would love to hit.
So don't try to tell me that it is not safe to fly without being searched. Also, take a look at how many weapons get past the TSA, it may surprise you.
Billable Hours
6:14 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I truly appreciate your points, but I just feel like its different. Trains must stay on tracks, but planes can be used as flying weapons. I'm not trying to get away with anything. If tapping our phones, putting camaras everywhere and scanning us makes us safer so be it. I live my life everyday and these so called loss of freedoms haven't affected my way of life at all. Taxing us to death affects me everyday, but not the things I already mentioned.
6:26 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
More people will die of radiation from the TSA Chernoff scans than die in a terrorist attack plane crash, school, movie theater and Israeli settlement on the West bank combined for the next decade!
Michael M.
6:27 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Well Billable, it is a gradual loss that is the problem. They know they can't take all of them because we would not allow it, but they do it slowly so you do not notice. Take the tax example you give. When the income tax was introduced in 1913 by Woodrow Wilson, it was promised never to exceed 7%, within a few years it was at around 90% and we are now at 35%, soon to be higher for all of us. All because we gave the govt the right to tax us in the 16th amendment. We actually voted to give our money to the govt and it has been a slippery slope ever since. Remember what Obama and Rahm said. "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." So ask yourself why they couldn't do it before and why they can get it done during a crisis. Because they know we are vulnerable during a crisis.
Chronicles of Bob
6:43 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You failed to mention needing $$ for two wars, both of which we tried to stay out of... you forgot to mention all the programs fdr started and got us out if the depression ... roads... parks... infrastructure... a second industrial revolution helping propell USA to the greatest nation in te world ...none of which possible with out these taxez and changes in amendments that you so hate.
Michael M.
6:48 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
You make me laugh. Wilson wanted to get into the war, but that is besides the point. The govt told the citizens that it would never go above 7%, there were no disclaimers, no caveats, wake up man; it will be too late before you realize it.
Chronicles of Bob
6:52 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
When did i say anything about wilson... the majority wanted to stay neutral ... that dosent change my points ...
I can only imagine your views on immigrants...
Tired of the B.S.
7:41 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Hey BH,
While you are correct about trains staying on the tracks, I thought this conversation was about personal safety. The train could stay on the tracks and if a terrorist attacked, you would be just as dead as if you were on that plane crashing into a building.
Ever seen Silver Streak? Seems like a lot could have been killed by that train crashing into the station.
Blackhawks Fan
6:25 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Give it a rest. This thread is way off topic and it's not going any where!!!
Michael M.
6:32 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
If you do not like the conversation, you do not have to come back and read it. As for the rest of us we will exercise our right.
12:58 am on Thursday, December 20, 2012
Agreed! There are two men out there that people are actually scared of. Im sure there are many more we need to fear....but these two pulled off a good one. There are kids in school...and with what happened last Friday this shouldnt be taken lightly. People are scared. Law or no law concerning guns...doesnt matter....these guys are out there right now more than likely armed. Just being sensitive to those who are nervous about this....and all the other tragedies occuring lately.
Chronicles of Bob
6:35 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
So the people so against democrats and Obama are now against the rules and the expansion of big govt by bush after 9/11... why did i not hear any of you bitching about the rights you lost from a rep president back in nov?
We are talking about sensible gun laws. To not allow guns to be sold to unstable people with no background checks.
Earlier tbs you thought maybe othee countries had less gun violence is because there are less guns... um... and? So less guns=less violence?
Michael M.
6:49 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
If you search my comments you will find that I was against the patriot act all along. If you don't want a gun then don't have one. But do not run to your neighbors when you feel you need protection and they have a gun.
Chronicles of Bob
6:56 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Is reading comprehension not required of people like you... when did i say i dont want a gun...
Tired of the B.S.
7:37 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I'm pretty sure that is how it works.
Just like we have more cars and therefore more deaths involving cars than they do in England. It is a numbers thing.
By the way, do you know what weapon causes the most deaths in America?
According to the FBI, it is baseball bats. Where is the public outcry for the banning of bats? Why can my 9 year old son go to Walmart and purchase as many bats as he could carry with no backround check or waiting period? Could it be that most are used by people in sports and not to kill? Just like guns.
Chronicles of Bob
6:48 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Mike ... answer my question... why so few gun related deaths in democratic civilized countries... like England ... Canada ... france.... germany... england i believe was under 20...
Genvieve LaChappele
10:28 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Just out of curiosity, do these countries you list have more or less two parent families than we do here? Are video games as prevalent in the home in these countries?
Chronicles of Bob
8:20 am on Thursday, December 20, 2012
Well Genvieve,
As I do feel most people can handle what they see, I feel the parents should be more aware of what there kids are doing, especially if the child is already unstable.
As far as your question. Yes, there are many one and no parent famlies all over the world. Poor is everywhere. Gamers are all over the world.
All will help IMO. At least your post wasn't... You hate the constitution, go move somewhere else.
Michael M.
6:50 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I am also done with this topic. You know the whole lead a horse to water thing.
Blackhawks Fan
8:02 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
I am glad you are exercising your right and finally realizing you beat a dead horse!!!
Dawn Kenny
10:10 pm on Wednesday, December 19, 2012
Wow, I do think Oak Forest needs to have a mandatory educational anti-bullying class for adults on this forum. How sad :-(
Tired of the B.S.
12:34 pm on Thursday, December 20, 2012
Hey COB and all others who think they know the facts,
I know that you probably won't look at this link, nor will any of the other anti-gun folks that have posted here, but, here are the FACTS about gun ownership, gun control, and what the results of more restrictive gun laws are. Everything is vetted with sources. If you truly want to see what the facts are, check this out:
jeff f
5:30 am on Friday, December 21, 2012
Guns cause crime like flies cause garbage. Arm yourself now cause when the sh t goes down r u gonna rely on those weak ass tinley park pigs. Or end up like emily and become another victim


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Fit perfect in my small kitchen, Happy
By Rosemary
from Milwaukee,WI.
About Me Midrange Shopper
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Comments about Home Styles Furniture Manhattan Solid Wood Black Bar Height Pub Table with Stainless Steel Trim:
I wasn't sure if it would fit in my small kitchen, but it did. I'm very pleased with the overall product. I recommend this site to others. I will shop here again and again. Thank Cymax
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an awesome table for a small kitchen
By Joann
from New Britain,CT
About Me Budget Shopper
My husband and I just love this table.We also bought the matching chairs. The set is modern and fits perfectly in a small kitchen. I am very satisfied with the purchase!
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