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Poll: Romney Picks Paul Ryan as Running Mate—Your Thoughts?
Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan will run for vice president on the GOP ticket. Is he the right choice?
The team of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan will take on Barack Obama and Joe Biden in November.
Romney and Ryan, a Wisconson Republican congressman, teamed up in Norfolk, VA, this morning to make the official announcement, although details leaked out hours before.
Ryan is considered a rising star in the GOP and is best known for his proposed budget that calls for an overhaul of Medicare.
Some analysists call Ryan a "bold choice" because the congressman's selection is considered a controversial move and a departure from the "safe" reputation Romney has. Ryan has a long voting history on issues that Democrats want to run on — health care and Social Security, especially.
Ryan also has never run for a statewide ticket, according to ABC News.
Politicos have been salivating for weeks over Romney's running mate choice. The many names thrown around included Gov. Chris Christie, who offered soft denials that he was interested in running.
What do you think? Did Mitt Romney make the right decision? Does Paul Ryan running as VP change your vote one way or the other? Are you bummed Christie wasn't selected after all?
Vote in our poll and tell us in the comments.
Steve P.
1:56 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
this just makes it that much easier for Obama to win his second term. Republicans are such a joke. hahahahaha
dee lew
3:02 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
The fact that people would still vote for Obama after what he did to this country is beyond me. It is funny how the Dems complain about Romney's 1040'S while nobama has sealed college records(foreign student?) and no real birth certificate. One day years from now the truth will come out.
12:13 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Why is Paul Ryan being called a "fiscal conservative"?
• He voted for TARP (increased National Debt $224 billion)
• He voted for two unfunded wars (increased National Debt $853 billion)
• He voted for Medicare Part D (increased National Debt $183 billion – as of 2011. Projected to be $400 billion thru 2018.)
• He voted for the Bush Tax Cuts (increased National Debt $1.7 trillion 2003-2008)
• He voted to extend Bush Tax cuts (increased National Debt $620 billion 2010-2012)
• He voted for the Farm Bill, the Highway Bill
• He voted for No Child
• He voted for the creation of TSA
• He voted for the creation of the Dept of Homeland Security
A lot of votes for increasing the size and cost ($3.58 trillion - so far) of government
10:00 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Great choice! He will debate Biden and win hands down.
12:39 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Now Joe Biden is THE problem. What to do with this bumbler? Hillary?
4:27 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Can't wait for the Ryan / Biden debate. should be a hoot.. Gaffe a minute Joe. "Say it ain't so Joe" : o
4:57 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Seriously? Here is a prediction:
Liberals and MSNBC will declare Biden the winner.
Conservatives and FOX will declare Ryan the winner.
Independents won't even know because they didn't watch.
Don't over-think this. The only value a VP brings is super-likability / familiarity (Biden to Obama, because some white people needed that) or experience (Cheney). Most don't matter. Not sure Ryan brings either of those, although maybe some people turned off by the Mormonism feel better.
Clown Baby
10:14 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Spot on sir:
"Seriously? Here is a prediction:
Liberals and MSNBC will declare Biden the winner.
Conservatives and FOX will declare Ryan the winner.
Independents won't even know because they didn't watch."
No one wins a debate anymore. Each side claims they won while most people watch the "Jersey Shore" or some other reality show.
Bull Pitt
3:30 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Biden reminds me of the Public Defender in "My Cousin Vinnie".
12:19 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Mrgrumpass, Biden dominated Sarah Palin in the 2008 VP Debate. Are you saying that Ms. Palin is dumber than a mime?
Chester Copperpot
10:05 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The VP doesn't do much unless the President is no longer with us. We hear about him during running time and when they have a debate against the other VP and that's about it. It's more of a political maneuver for the Presidential candidate just to plug up some perceived weak holes in their campaign....essentially political Spackle. Other than that, they just attend some dinners, some fund raisers, and show up to places that aren't important enough for the President to get to as a priority. Unless C-Span decides to host a tag-team steel cage match between the 4 of them, it's just a bunch of political rhetoric.
NBew Jersey Art
11:18 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The role of the VP changed under Obama. It is Biden's job to put his foot in his mouth and day that Obama doesn't do so.
Biden - "If we do everything right, if we do it with absolute certainty, there's still a 30% chance we're going to get it wrong."
Obama - "I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go"
Chester Copperpot
12:52 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Yeah, there are always great quotes to go around for every politician. Just don't keep it strictly to the Democrats because G.W. Bush has an entire book of them.
3:58 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The VP doesn't do much unless the President is no longer with us.
How very true.And it's important to voters because even a healthy President could become ill or die in office.Perhaps if there had been a different VP candidate chosen in '08,there would be a different President in the White House now.
11:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Well although I agree the VP is irrelevant, He is not as irrelevant at you may think. He does serve as the tie breaker vote in the US Senate. Although after the games the Republicans played this year and the exposure they received as the millionaires panderers they have become, I suppose you are correct the VP will remain irrelevant no matter who the President is, unless anything happens to the sitting the President.
10:34 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
This is a game changer for the elephant ticket. As a registered Independent I am slightly more donkey than elephant but have never voted a straight party ticket. I must say that I am excited about Romney/Ryan. Ryan will give us more than sound bites. He will tell us how they will do something rather than just say they'll do something. He's smart, energetic, has command of his subject and issues.
We are waaaaaaaay past WHO caused the problems we have at this point. Who cares? Now it's simply time to focus on HOW our problems can be corrected in the best interest of the middle class. I'm afraid the Obama ticket cannot tell us. At least we'll hear a plan from the Romney ticket. Weather it will work or not who knows? BUT we need to try something different and I hope these are the folks to do it.
Olivier Francis
2:20 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Hi Ellen
I agree. which team will not only get us out of the mess but also will prevent us from getting into the mess in the first place. Someone posted the deficit figures for Obama. How much of that is due to the wars that cannot be terminated overnight. How much of that was due to the tax break Bush gave to the richest 400 family friends Bush signed off. How much is due to debt service -- that is interest payments for the money previous US administrations borrowed. Not a single department in Obama admiinistration with the exception of Military has increased. So all of this talk and bashing Obama as a reckless spender is party line no brain attack. Facts are otherwise. Facts are there get them sum them up and understand where the govt spends the tax revenue it collects. Dont forget Obama collected less in tax revenue than prior years due to recession. Obama is fiscally responsible. His party label is different that is why all these rancor. I dont blame Hanity or Riley -- that is their job. the people who listen and do not think or do the homework and get riled up by party labels are to blame.
9:09 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul Ryan is the author of the most extreme right-wing budget ever proposed in Congress. He wants to dismantle Medicare, privatize Social Security, and cut taxes for millionaires while raising taxes on the middle class.1
Ramblin' Rose
2:17 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Exactly. We need a plan to start eradicating the crippling burden of debt we are passing on to our children.....
Obama had the entire Congress - House & Senate - for the first two years of his administration and he still couldn't come up with a plan. To be that inept means you are not up to the challenge.
Ryan is a finance guy.....he WILL have a plan and if we Americans are smart enough to listen we can turn this economy around...pay down the debt and create jobs.....our College/University graduates will have optimism restored and we, as a Country, will be moving forward.
Joseph Herbert
7:01 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
KC has been listening to Harry Reid as he quoted the Liar in Chief. On Janurary 1st 2013 NObama will bankrupt Medicare when the Affordable Health Care Act strips $5,000,000,000 (Billion) from it and transfers 44 million seniors into Seniors Division Insurance Pools. There they will be subject to a payout test for every thing beyond asprin. Need a new hip, knee, heart and etc. well you'd better have at least ten working years for each twenty thousand of cost.
If Obama is reelected they will probably even change our name from America to The Soviet Socialist Republics of America.
Marcus Vitruvious
8:35 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Hi Ellen
if the economy were your car: If you are angry at the mechanic that charged too much and took too long to fix it; how can a reasonable response to that anger be to give the keys to the hooligans who stole it and wrecked it.
11:00 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
My thoughts? We're SCREWED no matter who wins this election.
8:34 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Yes, because the Republican appointed majority on the Supreme Court voted in favor of the Citizens United ruling. This allows unlimited donations to political candidates from corporations(even multi-national and foreign)without disclosure. It is important who we elect Obama-Biden 2012
1:49 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I ditto that, Rebecca! Ryan is no conservative, for sure. He talks a good game, but he voted for ALL the bailouts, he voted for ALL the wars ...
We are all screwed. There's really no difference between the two puppets. The puppet masters will run the show and get what they intend to get. And if anyone really thinks their vote counts, I have a bridge to sell you. Go watch Hacking Democracy.
Joseph Herbert
7:28 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Maggie; with regard to the debt, the wars are inconsequential. Taken as a whole the debt, currently the debt 15.9 trillion, more than a trillion larger than the domestic product is, excluding Social Security Retirement because it is separately funded, 74.3% entitlements (Medicare, Medicaid, TANIF & etc.) 3.7% authorized government expansion (Costs are annually increased by 1% more than annual growth.). The remaining 22% pays for all the governments' operations including "the Wars". And Gene, given the way State Constitutions are written, since they stipulate how a corporation is formatted (For other than tax purposes.), examining that, the USSC's logic is faultless. They are, legally, individuals and this limits how much they can give to an individual candidates, effectively, they are as limited as you or I. The real problem is the Special Issues Political Action Committees, the so called "Super Packs" whose funding often exceeds a third world country. Including donations and earnings the AARP PAC controls 10 billion and Move On (George Soros' Socialist Pac) a half a trillion.
Donna Griffin
8:30 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Touche, Joseph. The only area of the budget that the current administration feels "comfortable" with cutting is national defense despite the fact that entitlement spending is the primary source of our economic woes. It's interesting that the military involvements we currently find ourselves in were supported by a bulk of Democrats (Hillary included) until the political winds changed. We, however, are supposed to forget that detail. An honest discussion about our deficit cannot occur until the mathematics is delivered plainly and simply to the American public. I think that is Paul Ryan's strong suit and one that President Obama or Joe Biden couldn't tackle on their best days.
7:44 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I hope everyone who comments here is aware of Ryan's voting record. He voted for all the Bush debt, including No Child Left Behind, voted for ALL the wars, ALL the bailouts, voted for the GM bailout (Government Motors), voted for the Patriot Act (allowing government to spy on Americans, surveillance without a warrant INDEFINITELY), voted for TARP, voted for the NDAA (you know, allowing assassination of American citizens anywhere in the world?), voted for both stimulus packages, and on and on. He also INCREASES the budget for military spending (the Military Industrial Complex spending - you know, to oversee all other countries and mind THEIR business - which is NOT defense spending), and is a total warmongering neocon nonconservative. AND he voted for keeping the troops in Iraq INDEFINITELY. Yup, perfect fit for Romney.
No, I am NOT an Obama fan ...
Olivier Francis
9:31 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Joseph Herbert
10 billions a month tab is inconsequential? That is 10 billion not returned to China, Joseph. Instead of paying down the debt 10 billion a month we borrowed that money. We went and bombed the hell out of deserts and mountains. Cool Aid time?
And the interest on those borrowed, Joseph. Every solider that died is more than 1.5 million of training that USA lost for ever. Solider is too precious we cannot put a price, the 1.5 million is the training cost. Do we have a count ? What do you think is the cost of taking care of all those people who have been maimed in one way or another. Those two wars -- no one but Halliburton and defense complex benefited. Obama took out the SOB the smart way. May be 50 million tops. That is why I will vote for Obama, I hope they will count my vote.
make my day
11:19 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Romney/Ryan 2012 ! Ryan was the best choice! This proves that Republicans are serious about getting the countrys FISCAL disaster back in order. Yes, i know Dems will put ALL the BLAME on Bush. This election is about getting AMERICA back on track. THEY HAVE MY VOTE AND I'M PROUD TO SAY IT!
8:39 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Dems don't blame Bush. You are missing the point. It's the whole trickle down waste from Reagan that NEVER worked. Change the channel
Joseph Herbert
7:42 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Oh Gene, you poor misguided soul, today we have a U4 unemployment (people collecting benefits) of 8.3% and a U6 unemployment (Total Unemployed) of 16.7% with an additional 7% under employed (People flipping burgers instead of doing their real jobs) with an annual growth rate of 1.34%. Obama has added 6.6 trillion dollars to the debt in 4 years, more than all preceding 43 presidents together. Under Reagan U4 was 4.8% and U6 was 6%, the annual growth was 6.3%. So please reveal your I.Q. tell us who would you rather have as president Obama or Reagan?
Olivier Francis
9:40 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
simple but where is the truth? Dont forget Ryan is WI? Kochland.
Gene, Let us pretend these guys love USA as much as we do. At least for that I wish Mitt and Ryan win. I am hoping they will learn Koch mechanics. If they love USA they will join us in 4 years. But I am not wasting my vote. I am tired of their lies since Nixon, Iran Contra, Savings and Loan Scandal...The last Bush did it for me. I am done. I will be the last Dem to fall. Lies and crooks.
But in the meantime I want to find workable solutions to fix the fiscal mess, runaway entitlement. When I become a senior I do not want these things from the gov. I want the gov to allow me to prepare for my own retirement. That is fair.
8:41 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Look at the real numbers. Start with Republican corporate welfare for their outsourcing buddies.
Lauren Burgoon
11:28 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Have you all checked out I Side With? It asks a bunch of questions on issues and how strongly you feel about them to tell you which candidate you most closely align with. http://patch.com/A-wCwv
11:35 am on Saturday, August 11, 2012
They are the only choice we have to tackle the dept that was bad forty four months ago and has now doubled under the current lack of leadership. If anyone thinks we can keep this up and not crash must be drinking special koolade.
1:51 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Ken, The total public debt went up about 50%, not 100%. Here's some figures for you to chew on. The Obama administration started with $10,626,877,048,913.08 and as of Friday it was $15,915,814,457,919.46 for an increase of 49.8%. The first term of the G W Bush administration started with $5,727,776,738,304.64 and by this time in his first term his administration had $7,308,629,683,239.34 for an increase of 27.6%. The 2nd Bush administration started with $7,613,215,612,328.37 and reached $9,573,454,552,889.97 for an increase of 25.8%. (Courtesy of the Treasury Dept's Debt to the Penny online tool. http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/BPDLogin?application=np)
8:46 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
The only thing you left out, was that the current budget now includes 2 unfunded wars,an unpaid for medicare part d prescription plan, and an unpaid for tax cut that favored the rich. These are NOW ON THE BOOKS under Obama. Go back to drinking something else.
Edward Dooley Jr.
12:00 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
What many people do not realize is that both houses of Congress were controlled by the Democrats during the last year of Bush's term as President and yet they and Obama blame him for all the problems that showed up after Nobama became President.
If we continue down the road we're on we will wind up like Greece or some other country or California...My message to DC, "Live within your means".
Paul J. DiBartolo
12:39 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Actually, the last two years. Additionally, everyone raves about the state of the economy under Clinton and seems to forget that Gingrich and company did all the work and forced Clinton's hand especially on welfare reform, a reform that Barry has now gutted. Work for welfare; that's just mean spirited.
Anyway, quit trying to confuse what passes here as dialog with the facts, Edward!
1:05 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul - the Clinton years were actually a great example of what could happen when both parties cooperated. Reagan as well.
But how did Obama "gut" welfare reform, exactly? What states? Why?
Answer that question, and you'll see why your statement is false.
Olivier Francis
2:29 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Edward, Parties can do nothing to stop the interest owed on the 15T or end the wars overnight. Bush gave 2T to rich people unfunded. Waged two wars which set us back 4T over the last 10 years (not counting the soliders who lost their lives-- which is immeasurable loss). And the billions of dollars sent to Haliburton, courtesy kickback time guess who via no-bid contracts. Add the interest owed and the cost of running the programs and wars Bush started. If I were jeb Bush I would change my last name. No other family has destroyed an entire nation as much as this one did, whether willfully or out of ignorance. Oil companies got to rewrite the contracts that Saddam had given to Total. We got nothing. What we got was the responsibility to foot the war bills. X-CEO of GS wrote 3 page letter asking for 700 Billion in TARP. we all remember that. That same brain did not want to bail out auto industry with 50 Billion -- reason free markets. That is the republican brain. Vote carefully after understanding all the facts. Please do not take it casually. Vote what you think is right. Collect all the facts. Vote on what matters to you. Not on party lines.
Paul J. DiBartolo
9:57 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
To keep it short and simple, Porter, waivers. This seems to be a favorite antic of The One. Pass a healthcare law that requires 100% participation and then give out waivers to your friends exempting them from the rules. Welfare Reform, which was the result more of a Republican controlled Congress than the cooperation you suggest, limited benefits and required participants to eventually move into the job market. Waivers now threaten to provide a work-around to the law as it was meant to be applied, IMO.
BTW, Clinton twice vetoed the Welfare Reform put forth by Congress.
12:02 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
State governments have ALWAYS been allowed to apply for waivers. Always. Mitt requested them as governor of Massachusetts. The states that petioned Obama in this case were red states, no? Utah? They want a broader definition of "work related activities" to include training and education (because unemployment is high).
That's not "gutting welfare". Not even close. And Romney already started to phase out that attack line as it was so sloppy and false. I suggest you join him.
Paul J. DiBartolo
12:40 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Porter, I can't rule out everything you say. A lot of what you say is correct. On the other hand, there are a lot of arguments to support my POV and I'm really looking at what I foresee will be the end result. Given Obama's technique of ruling by "executive order," it's not hard to see where things will go if Obama wins the election and gets his way. Healthcare waivers are a perfect example and are astounding in that Obama is using them to gut his own law...the signal (sic) achievement of his four years in office?
Oh, and don't forget the end around to welfare...food stamps. Jan,. 2009 @ approximately 32 million participants; today @ over 46 million participants. From October, 2009, to March, 2012, the benefit per household did decrease...by about 5.9%, however, the participation rate increased by a whopping 29%. That's like 1 step forward followed by 5 steps back. Is it really too hard to believe that the goal is to bring back Lyndon Johnson's Great Society?
Bottom line, it's unsustainable. We are headed for a brick wall that will prove highly immovable and we are putting our children in the front seat without proper restraint.
2:00 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I just think "gutting" in reference to waivers is a bit much. Plus, Romney was for them before he was against them. That's why I call him Mitt Kerry, and why he won't gain any traction in the polls.
Either pay for them with taxes or get rid of them. But neither will happen. We'll just borrow to pay for them and address this in another decade or so. Because that's what the American people want - ponies, unicorns, and no taxes.
Paul J. DiBartolo
4:18 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I wonder if we'll have another decade. In the end, time will tell whether welfare reform will be eroded. It sure looks like it's headed that way and in the end, if we end up there again, it will be a "gutting" in no uncertain terms.
BTW, Obama plans to save $600 billion by gutting, er, cleaning up Medicare to fund Obama-care.
Anyway, here are the hard facts for anybody who thinks we can keep paying S.S., Medicaid, and Medicare, etc.
Imagine that your yearly income is $21,700.
Your budget caused you to spend $38,200 last year.
This added $16,500 of new debt to your existing debt.
This drove your credit card outstanding balance to $142,710.
In order to deal with your situation you're cutting your $38,200 budget next year by $385.
Now add 8 zeroes to each of those numbers to understand where we're at as a nation.
Now let's talk unfunded debt. If anyone thinks that the CBO's projected reduction in the debt over the next 10 years is credible when we're adding over a trillion dollars a year to it, I have a bridge you might be interested in. That said, the CBO's Alternative Fiscal Scenario, a more realistic long-term budget forecast, makes much more sense given our spending habits. So, what does the Alternative Fiscal Scenario project our unfunded liabilities (i.e., what we're actually promising to pay out) to be? $222 trillion dollars; $11 trillion more than it was just a year ago. So, who thinks that Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the like are still solvent?
7:24 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
We don't, but we will. As long as China restricts foreign investments to a limited set of options, they'll lend us money. But one day, that stops as the country eases towards more economic freedom. That's when it hits the fan.
Has to be some combination of overhaul (means testing), reform (don't let Pharma write Plan D), cost controls, additional taxes on the wealthy (reasonable ones - don't extend Bush tax cuts, maybe move back to Regan era rate for top rate), and a huge crap sandwich for all (like a VAT, or higher payroll taxes, or the removal of the write-off for medical expenses / mortgage / et al to fund).
Notice I didn't include reducing the programs, because to me that isn't a realistic outcome. The 55+ age demo will always be the largest and most engaged voting bloc, and they won't accept a reduction of benefits. Ever. Politicians interested in getting elected won't ask them to.
So we have to pay for it. Not borrow to fund it. Pay for it.
12:04 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Mitt and His Shadow promise to fulfill the unrealized goals of the last George Bush administration and go down in history as the last elected President/Vice-President of the United States of America themselves. While Gov. Christie was thought by most to be a natural with his unrelenting 'junkyard dog ego' to shadow Mitt in this final act, the Governor was unable to overcome the shortcomings of his two greedy handlers, the Georgie twins, and will simply remain in his current role as the bullhorn for the GOP' all-you-can-eat-get-out-the-vote' campaign functions.
Paul J. DiBartolo
12:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
One thing's for sure, if Romney and Paul take the election that will free up "The One" to run for the Savior of Europe. He seems to love European socialism so much it would be a perfect fit and then he can bow to whomever he wants. And you will be free to follow.
BTW, so I don't have to guess, which union do you belong to?
2:28 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Please, don't hold back on my account. It would be much more entertaining if you would put yourself out a bit and guess. And it would give you a chance to enlighten us on how my disappointments with both Romney and Christie make me a socialistic democrat also.
Olivier Francis
3:19 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Mac, Dont bather responding to stupid rants. They cry freedom of speech so long as you will scream alongside their own views. Individual liberties so long as you are not a female. It is quite funny. Watching Hannity and Riley is like watching SNL 24X7.
Windbag followers, none of them think for themselves. They cannot name one department with budget increase in the last 4 years.
Servicing 10T Bush era deficit spending interest, interest payments to Social security trust for the US Treasury securities it holds, accounts most of the federal budget.
Cutting congressman head count from 435 to 217 and US Senate headcount to 49+1, making Social security 75% optional and 25% mandatory are useful ideas, in my opinion, cutting military budget. In the tradition of Adam Smith or Ben Franklin.
Do not be incensed by idiotic doubts. Gov Christie abdicated his responsibility when he asked everyone to get the hell out -- what is a govt for? Place a curfew. Ask everyone to leave the state? What an hypocrite -- did not want to stop at hippo?
He flies tax payer helicopter to attend his sons little league and has the gall to ask everyone to sacrifice. This is a might is right philosophy and history is replete with sad ends of any system that followed such faulty principles. You and I are as patriotic as any of these riled up fans but with a thinking head. They should go back to their TV sets and watch more. we are compassionate and that is why we are not asking them to go to Europe.
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:12 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I'm not sure what your disappointment is with Romney, Mac. Are you suggesting that you planned to vote to oust The One due to your disappointment with him but you have now been disappointed by the choice of the candidate the Republicans put forth? Are you disappointed with Romney because you lived in Massachusetts during his governorship?
As for Christie, do you yearn for the days of Corzine? Not to worry, he won't go to jail and he can gather another $60 million dollars of his own money to spend on buying another NJ governorship.
Additionally, if Romney disappoints you can take solace in the fact that The One and his sidekick, the inimitable "Regular Joe" Biden, will be placing their first call to Jon Corzine asking for his help. Who can forget Uncle Joe proclaiming "...when Barack Obama and I were...beginning the plan on how we would try to get this economy out of a ditch, literally, the first guy I called was Jon Corzine. It's not a joke. It's not a joke. First of all, he's the smartest guy I know in terms of the economy and on finance, and I really mean that." He is pretty smart; how else would he come up with the idea that saying he didn't know where the money of those who trusted him to invest disappeared to when asked to account?
So, help us, Mac, exactly how did Romney and Christie disappoint you?
BTW, I never called you a socialist Democrat; is there something you want to confess?
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:18 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Hey, Oliver, rather than stringing together every liberal talking point that you know while throwing grammar to the wind, how about picking one issue and providing a solid logical argument as to why it is as you say and then we can have a dialog. That is if having a dialog was your intent. Otherwise, don't bump your head because it's gotten so big from you congratulating yourself and Mac for your moderation and your compassion for the unwashed masses of unthinking Conservatives that it's liable to explode.
3:59 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Eenie, Meenie, Miney, Moe. I hope you didn't stay up all night to assume my reasoning and select the range of my possible responses. BTW, you don't drive after you start making posts on here, do you?
Bob Smith
12:06 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Ryan is horrible. He is a mean spirited socio-path who favours tax cuts for the wealthy versus the poor and middle class. Most of this country is poor or middle class so I dont understand how anyone can like him unless your making over $250,000 a year. No Republican cares about people who are in the 98% they only care about the people in the 2% bracket and thats why he is going to make it easier for Obama to win re-election. I Mean with Mitt making so many gaffs and his obvious inability to even understand those who dont have millions of dollars in their pocket he is a loser all the way around. He is the modern Manchurian candidate.... the candidate of the Corporatocracy. I dont know about you but I dont want the corporations running this country because they have done a lozy job running the economy already over all of their greed....
12:22 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I don't know that he's "horrible", but he is the poster child for a political philosophy that's a proven failure at the polls.
John Hayden
12:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Hey Bob. You know the poor don't pay taxes, right? How can you favor a tax cut for people who don't pay taxes. (Don't look now, but your ignorance is showing)
Oh, and tell me again about how our taxes are lower now than when Obama took office. And about how our taxes were lower in 2008 when Corzine left office than when they were in 1996 when Whitman left. I just love fairy tales!
Bob Smith
12:53 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
John I consider myself poor living here in NJ and I am single and I pay taxes. So your being stupid. Single people pay more taxes than any one else. Actually to have a fair tax code we should be making people pay more taxes for each child they have because that child is going to cost society alot of dollars. That will get people having smaller families which will allow our school taxes to go down because there wont be all these breeders having children and over-populating our country. Now that is a forward thinking tax plan..
Look. I want the top 2% to pay taxes like they are forced to do in every other Industrialised nation. In Britain the top 2% pay 50% of their income and they should. they can afford it and it wont effect their life in any way shape or form. I am so sick of the haves dictating to the half nots who they all made their money of the backs of. The Revolution is coming believe me and it wont be pretty the top 2% are the ones who have the most to lose... like their lives and everything they own. It happened in 1793 in France, 1918 in Russia and it can and will happen here. Its just a matter of time unless things radically change.... and they wont get better under Romney. Obama is not the best candidate either but he is much more broad in his scope than Romney and the Rich have made a fortune under Obama. The stock market has risen the highest amount since the end of WWII under any president under Obama's tenure..
1:07 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
John, your federal taxes and payroll taxes are lower because the tax rates are lower. That's a fact. Most of the stimulus was tax cuts.
Paul J. DiBartolo
1:17 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Bob Smith, your biases and ignorance are blinding you. Children are not a liability to society, they are an asset. You want small families. Look at Europe where population growth has stopped, or worse. Whose taxes are being used to pay to care for the ever growing and aging portion of society? The balance here is already way off with something like 3 or 4 workers paying in for every retiree taking out. Children, hopefully, grow up to be productive members of society and thereby reduce your taxes because the tax base grows. The fewer putting in the less you will get out and the more it will ultimately cost you.
Do I believe anything I've said will make a hill of beans difference to you? No, you appear to have already made up your mind based on bad information.
As for revolution; you mention the French and Russian revolutions...when you get time, let me know how each of them worked out and made anything better.
Bob English
1:46 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
John Hayden: Your Federal taxes are lower now under Obama than when he took office. Not sure about Whitman/Corzine since she borrowed money against the pension fund to finance her tax cuts (which should not have been given under those circumstances) which have played a big part in the pension liability mess we are in now.
John Hayden
10:05 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Hey Bob (and Porter). My marginal tax rate hasn't changed. 25% of my income in 2008 is the same rate as 25% of my income in 2012. Now, I did go to public school, but I learned that 25 is not lower than 25.
And seriously? You believe in penalizing success? From each according to his ability to each according to his need, eh? If you want the living conditions that exist in England, feel free to emigrate there. A fair tax structure would be eliminating income/property taxes and implement a flat usage tax of 25%. Then everybody pays their "fair share", with the top 2% paying the lion's share with all the luxury items they purchase.
Brad Schaeffer
11:57 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Bob. Seven of the top ten wealthiest members of Congress are Democrats. 22 of the top 30 wealthiest counties in America vote democrat. Obama's top contributors in 2008 included Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Citigroup. Not sure how it is that anyone in this day and age still believes that the Democratic party is 'the party of the little guy'. Also just out of curiosity, What is so magical about the number of $250,000? Do you think that is 'the rich'?
Olivier Francis
12:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Hi Jerseyshore
and if we continue to elect a party with the mentality of 2000-2008, this country will become another mumbai in India where very rich people alongside very poor. There is no safety nets in those countries and one can see the effect of those policies.
Paul Ryan wrote a budge for Koch brothers. What was he doing during the years of Bush. We did not even hear a groan if he was in pain.
We are a community and we live together through thick and thin. Helping each other is not socialism. Banning private ownership is. Not one of the the Tea Party small government hawks opted to buy their own health insurance or against pay raise. At the least, Obama has sent us all 2% of our salaries back to us per annum in reduced Social Security Tax. And, what did T Party do for u and me recently. Will T Party accept the following Constitutional amendments:
(1) No War based on unfounded charges
(2) No War unless funded in full with an exit plan.
(3) No no-bid contracts to former employers.
(4) Most importantly, balanced budget amendment. We have one party balancing or reducing the budget. Everyone demanding a small government voted yes to set us back by 10 triilion dollars due to failed Bush presidency.
My favorite wishlists:
Cut the do-nothing House to half its current size. 220 House Representatives can do what the current 435 do. JD some of the do nothing YES-MAN congressmen who leave their brains in their districts.
12:20 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Ryan appeals to people who were voting for Romney already, and hurts him with the independents that he needs to swing the election. It's a net loss, a move motivated by fear because he can't seem to make up ground on a President who will never be in a weaker position than he was earlier this summer. Pretty much Palin II, the idiotic "game changer" gambit. When will these people learn?
Note to GOP: ultra-conservatives are always going to vote Republican. No matter who is on the ticket. Look at the down-ticket races and you can see these people were already in the bank. Don't worry about Alabama, worry about Ohio.
Romney's strategy was to fly under the radar, express no strong opinions, refuse to illustrate what his policies would be or what they'd mean...just wait for Obama to self-destruct with each successive jobs report or outspend him with Super PAC money. That was, given Romney's track record as a weak candidate, pure genius. It might have won.
But now he's pivoted and made it a struggle between 2 political philosophies, his involving taking things away from people (which is a loser in a general election, violating one of Rove's core principles).
Made no sense. Great day for Obama, Jeb Bush, and Chris Christie - the latter of whom are set up for runs in 2016.
12:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Poor analysis. We are a month from Labor Day and Romney is right on schedule. Obama has over spent already with his negative attack ads. They have little or no impact. Romney still polling strong. Obama and Biden have been criss crossing the country to no avail. Now Romney and Ryan hit the road. Romeny continues to raise big $ and will now begin spending to clarify the issues. Our debt load is 175% of GDP vs european countries such as UK and Germany at mid 90% levels. Only Greece is close to us at 164%....enough said. We need real dramatic reforms to stop this fiscal irresponsibility which will destroy our children's future
Lauren Burgoon
12:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Concerned, Where is that 175% number from? The Congressional Budget Office put U.S. debt to GDP at 70% in June. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43288 Still not great, but nowhere near the number you cite.
John Hayden
12:48 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
FYI: Ultra-conservatives vote Libertarian.
Ryan's inclusion was to sure up the gun vote. Romney's support for gun rights has always been questionable, so by including A-rated Ryan, he provides a little more assurance to the single issue voter that he's for real. It's the same reason he could n't pick Christie. Christie is no friend of gun owners.
12:49 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Where to begin? First off, look at Romney's favorables - they're among the worst ever for a POTUS candidate and have deteriorated steadily. The attack ads are clearly working. Can't imagine how you'd conclude otherwise.
Secondly, ignore the national numbers - which are tied despite every possible thing going against Obama (unemployment, war, drought, gas prices, food prices). He's pulling away in swing states. A six point lead (which is the nature of lead he has in FL, OH, PA) is huge. And a high % of the electorate is locked in, so there's not much out there to get - especially when a guy with awful favorable ratings goes up against a guy with solid ones.
All this, despite being outspent by the GOP. What are you possibly looking at that suggests Romney's doing well? The very selection of Ryan over Pawlenty or Portman tells you what Romney's mindset is - that he's losing the race. He's throwing hail marys and jacking up bad 3-pointers.
Obama SHOULD be losing. He SHOULD be trailing in the polls. This race shouldn't even be close. But yet here we are.
Where did you get those debt #'s? Japan is actually #1 with US just out of top 10. But saying "Greece" sounds better than saying "Japan" I guess.
PS - the remaining undecides couldn't care less about any of the debt issues we face. So, again, what does Ryan do for your chance of winning?
1:06 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Great question. The CBO does not include the state and local debt levels and unfunded pensions of the public workers in its calculation of debt as a % of GDP. The europeans % of debt to GDP includes national and state and local debt in their calculations. 175% is apples to apples.
1:15 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
C- that's very interesting. Euros pay for things as they go with high taxes, so that would seem to make sense. Do you have a link to a table that would have all of the data?
1:29 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
True the Europeans do pay taxes, but the reason our debt % is so high is not taxes its that we have such a high level of military spending vs the european nations. we cannot afford entitlements at the current level and the military at current levels. the calculations is had to find as most table do not include Federal and state debt together. The one i have found which does come close is fed and state debt without unfunded public employee unfunded pension amounts and that comes to about 120% then you add $3 trillion of public union unfunded pension plans debt and its 175% approx.
2:17 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Thanks! Agree on military - but was in a base town recently and saw an Army Times with a headline titled: "Cuts to Military in name of Political Correctness".
So, no, that won't happen either.
People want the spending, they want the programs. They just don't want to pay for them. We aren't 'conservative', we're 'cheap'.
2:22 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I cannot disagree with your last post. Thank you for an respectful exchange of ideas.
3:43 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Concerned, I think we just disagree on this being a smart pick or not and how Romney has or hasn't done a good job positioning himself. My initial comments are 100% related to the 'horserace' aspects.
After all, you can't do anything if you don't get elected.
John Hayden
10:08 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Some of us are actually conservatives. We don't want the programs either.
robert d
12:38 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
politcaly speaking the best choice was marco rubio who would had gave him florida an help with the hispanic vote . but as far as smarts go mr ryan knows his facts he may proove awise choice since we have to make decisions of what we need to do. i am 65 so i wont be effected by changes but changes are a must
12:57 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Do you think Rubio being a former Mormon had anything to do with it? I do.
Olivier Francis
1:12 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
robert, you are 65 and I am 53. No doubt. But I sure hope you have kids and grand kids. I have. And I want to leave them a better country then what I inherited.
America cannot spend more than what it has. Absolutely. Look what happened to England which pursued semi austerity measures. They are more in recessive phase now. When times are bad we have to dig out of the hole. We cannot dig deeper. No need for 650 billion military budget. and we need to balance the budget. Cutting everything proportionally. Not just social safety net programs.
7:36 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
You are 65 and don't care that medicare will be decimated for those under 55 under Paul Ryan's draconian budget proposal as long as you 'get yours'?
If Ryan represented the masses instead of corporations,he would have proposed that medicare cut costs by negotiating prices for drugs the way the VA now does. Instead he satisfies big pharmaceuticals, as most big corporate Republicans, on the backs of those who can't afford it.
7:52 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Gene - save your breath, they don't care. That's been established.
What they fail to realize is that the younger citizens can't take control of their payroll taxes and plan for our own retirements because we're currently paying for them. And will have to continue to pay for them until they die.
Any reform will involve us continuing to carry them, plus plan for ourselves. They don't see how that's a problem.
Why did all this happen? Because they demanded lower taxes every election and would never abide ANY spending cuts that altered their quality of life. So they borrowed, meaning that these were tax "deferments", not "tax cuts". And now the bill is due.
Donna Griffin
10:43 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Gene - The "draconian" Ryan plan, which BTW has bipartisan support, takes 30 years to balance. He understands that cutting any entitlement program with the hand-out mentality of American society these days is something that cannot be done overnight. Maybe I missed it, but what are the details of the plan President Obama has put forth to save Medicare? Are those crickets I hear?!?!
12:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Perhaps the Reps have the ticket backwards? Maybe it should be Ryan/Romney? Paul Ryan will be president in the future.
12:56 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
It essentially is, for all intents and purposes. That's how you know it was a bad pick.
From here on out it's Ryan vs Obama. That strategy didn't even pan out in NY-26.
I've gone on record as saying that I thought an Obama or Romney presidency would look a lot alike - except that GOP congressmen would pay massive, unprecedented stimulus bills for Romney in order to kick-start the economy (borrowed from China, of course). So I don't "hate" or even particularly fear a Romney regime. What bothers me about the pick is the sheer silliness of it.
7:41 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Heaven help us with a politician that praises the me me me world of Ayn Rand. He even requires his staff to read her sick philosophies.
Vera Fozman
12:51 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Romney's choice of Ryan doomed his bid. Go President Obama!
1:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You must be on food stamps or welfare, enjoying that Obama money!
1:06 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Now let's take an adult look at our financial situation and save this great country.
Olivier Francis
2:40 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I hope you do Keith. Find a couple of departments where the federal budget has increased since Obama took office.
The revenue base has shrunk -- 8% unemployment remember.
And interest on the 10 Trillion debt that Bush left behind.
Prior commitments to Social security, and medicare.
Prior commitment to US Military and the Bush tax cut for the rich (it cost the country 2 Trillion since it was signed). And Bush had to borrow, we had to pay more in interest. So if you add all this you will discover that Obama is fiscally responsible.
Get the figures let us see.
John, I am enjoying 2% reduction in Social Security tax and that I can carry my kids on my health care insurance. Food stamps and welfare and can be useful. read some of the comeback kids or rags to riches stories. Do not pant all the poor with one broad brush. I know so many republicans who decry food stamps and social programs and file for unemployment the minute they get fired and many liberals who get laid off, take loans and tide through the crisis without filing unemployment. I do not think it will matter to you, watch more Hannity and Riley. Or you will understand anything. Kids are not getting anything for free. Obama passed a law requiring the insurance companies to cover kids under parents policies. My policy covers my kids till 24. I dont think you can understand, John. No loss of mine to state the facts. I can try.
7:43 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
For 'we the people' and not wee the corporations. Obama- Biden 2012
John Hayden
10:17 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Even if you're paying $1000 a week in social security taxes, a 2% cut is only $20. Stop trying to sell that 2% like it's something big. It's less than lunch once a week.
John Hayden
10:17 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
What has Obama done to further individual liberties?
Donna Griffin
10:52 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Olivier - Hard to believe that we are all missing those good old days of only a $10 trillion debt! Obama is a disaster. Anyone who can argue that our nation is better off today than it was when he took office is proof positive that our nation's education system too is disastrous. Logic and reason are non-existent. I say spending more than we have is bad. If you cannot even begin the argument from that "given," we, as a nation or as a household, are doomed. My friends who voted for him 4 years ago are not doing so this time around. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
1:21 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
There is no "right choice".
No nation in the entire history of Planet Earth has ever had as much public debt as the United States has today. Neither Republicans nor Democrats will change that fact. A century ago, the United Kingdom went from being the most powerful and influential country in the world to bankruptcy in three generations. The United States is on the same fiscal path with no real signs of concern by either major party. Government has grown far to expansive for it's own good. The USA is the next Greece.
1:37 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Wait until some of the kids in the 20's get married have kids and have to pay their mortgage, buy food, pay taxes, car/insurance payment, health care, electric/gas/phone bills, water/sewer bills, etc. Sure it's great having the tax payer take care of the free stuff but wait until they walk a mile in those shoes, and by the time that happens I can only wonder what Uncle Sam will take out of thier pay checks. To take from those that have and give to those that don't in the long run FAILS.
Bob Smith
1:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul J. In response to your very simple comment about Social Security there is a quick, easy fix to it. Just remove the cap on how much someone has to pay on SS and it will be flush with cash and we will not have any problems with SS. See problem solved.. Oh but wait... The rich and the wealthy will have to pay more.. How my god this is such a terrible thing.... Well if you they dont like it... they can leave and go some where else.. I am sick of the free-loading rich who can afford to pay but dont including ROMNEY> We all no the reason why he hasnt released his tax returns because its true. He hasnt paid any taxes... He is a hypocrite, and a cheat in every sense of the word. Anyone who will do what he did to hold on to his money is not worthy of the office of President of the USA> He is a man who will do and say anything to try to get elected.. He is pathetic in every sense of the word. I am not saying Obama is great... But compared to Romney who is the Devil... he is an angel....
Olivier Francis
3:33 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Bob, I am as democrat as it gets. But I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. Social Security has mismanaged from the get go. It is a govt sponsored Ponzi Scheme. And is a moral hazard. I would never want to dig the hole deeper. Bury Social security. My plan would be: Make 75% optional and 25% mandatory. Let me explain. Wage earner must save 12.4% for retirement. But 75% of can be invested anywhere including the markets. Markets are atleast transparent. Social Security Trust funds holds US Treasury securities ( that is it lends money to US Gov). And US Congress raids the Social security like a slush fund, dipping into it whenever it pleases. The other 25% is to pay the people from prior years who paid into it.
Right now I hope to get nothing from Social Security. With this hybrid plan we can hope to get something. Gov can mandate 25% into real estate, 25% into metals and materials and 25% into Intl securities and 25% into Domestic securities of that 75%.
But no US treasuries.
I am sorry I cannot agree with your prescription on Social Security a government run Ponzi. Prove me otherwise. What was Madoff doing that is different from what Social Security is doing. Rob Paul Pay Peter.
Donna Griffin
10:59 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Bob - If genuine equity is what we're after, how about a Social Security recipient collects not one dime more than they put into the system and allow them the option of investing those forced savings in conservative holdings, aka, defined contribution plans? But then again, that would be freedom at its best and we certainly cannot trust American citizens with their own money.
Olivier Francis
1:46 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Yes, I am enjoying the 2% Obama gave back to me and not having to pay for insurance for my 20+ kids. What did one get for oil wars. Exxon is raking in more for a gallon before the Iraq war. So is Haliburton X-CEO VP retirement funds.
There is no sense in spending more than intake. How to go about it in a balanced manner. Cutting education and Science and Technology which do not account for all that much while Military and Social Security (the Govt sponsored Ponzi Scheme) and keep alive healthcare practices are the culprit. Did you know last 10 days of a person costs many times more than all that the person spent on health during their entire life excluding those 10 days. For social security my recommendation is
(1) Congress cannot use it as a slush fund. Return all the money stolen from Social Security for other govt programs. They are held by Social Security as US Treasuries.. Social Security must sell all those cash it and invest in more meaningful ways. I worked for 30 years and contributed to 401K about half of what was taken from me in the name of social security. My private 401K is twice that of social security. SO Social security must go. It is not good at investing or building a nest egg. Instead of bleeding to death just end it.
(1) Invest 50% in non US Treasuries.
(2) Allow one to invest 75% toward any plan and the 25% to pay for those who depend on it today. Allow people to opt out of social security.
10:22 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
But you must be psychic to predict when the last ten days of a "person" (I assume you mean life} will occur. How long have you worked in healthcare?
7:52 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
What about social security for those who are 'truly' disabled, and those children who are affected? What does a 401k do for them? Social Security is a safety net, not a savings plan. Let's keep it that way.
1:48 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
We need to change the direction of this country back from Nanny to Republic. Ryan's plan may seem harsh but it has to change at some point and so be it in this generation if it need be. Our forefathers suffered for us in unspeakable ways. Our country has gone through twists and turns that have gotten us to a point of embarrassing, crippling debt. We have to decide which of these teams are going to get us out of this. Are we willing to sacrifice? We ALL have to sacrifice together to do it. No one wants higher taxes, no one WANTS to see CUTS in their Medicare costs or their "benefits" that they have been getting for years-sometimes not even deserving of them. But, biting the bullet is what it's going to take. We have to work our way out of this debt problem folks.
Olivier Francis
2:51 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Here is my platform:
Make social security 75% optional and 25% mandatory to keep the ponzi scheme going. No expansion. Individuals can invest where they want with the 75% and be prepared for their retirement. Phase out Social security.
Force Social security to sell all their US Treasury holdings and invest in more diversified investments including Africa -- buy land -- everywhere -- No more land being created. think Alaska purchase or Louisiana Purchase.
Amend the US Constitution to balance the budget. Unplug the printing press, going forward for new programs. Which means no unfunded tax cuts to the rich or unfunded wars unless the oil companies foot the bill.
Reduce house of representatives to 217 (from 435 today).
Cut the Senate for 100 to 49+1 (VP)
They do nothing. 100 and 217 can easily do nothing. we do not need all of them.
Cut military spending.
Make immigration easier for those who are qualified and illegal immigration IMPOSSIBLE. No Amnesty nothing. If we need farm talent get 100K for farm and give them the status. Plug the holes disallowing illegal immigration. Repurpose the US army to protect the borders of the USA.
8:07 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Cry me a river! Ryan is all about helping corporations on the backs of laborers.
YES, we need change. Vote out the tea bag congress that obstructs all the jobs bills that were presented and has a record number of filibusters. Give tax breaks to corporations that stay in the U.S.A. and raise taxes on the vulture capitalists like BAIN CAPITAL that outsource our future. Stop allowing unlimited political contributions from UNDISCLOSED multi-national and foreign corporations that try to influence our elections at the expense of our middle class workers. Obama- Biden 2012
9:27 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
The wealthy 1% must share the sacrifice. No more tax breaks for Exxon execs and hedge-fund honchos who pay lower rates than we do. Campaign contributions to RomRyan shouldn't outweigh fairness for all.
make my day
1:50 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Obama CANNOT give examples how he has helped small business, cut the deficit, helped the poor to improve their chances of a better life. So much for "Hope & Change'. 1 out of 6 families live in proverty, 100 million use some form of welfare program. We need to get the coumtry back to where people feel good about working and not feel they are entitled to a share of someone elses pay. Since when is it so wrong to succeed in life? Thats the mentality that this administration has instilled. Tell that to your parents that came to America with nothing and worked hard for everything they had.
Monmouth Resident
1:51 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
FWIW, the federal tax rate for the wealthy is close to the lowest EVER. Just saying. There was just a 5 year period in the 80's where it was a bit lower...but the current rate is close to where it was in the late 1950's.
2:13 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Actually, the top tax rate in the 1950's was 90%. But yes, taxes are stupid low, especially for a nation that loves entitlements and supposedly hates debt.
10:30 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Ah yes the ability to make numbers say what you want.........please provide information for conversion of 1950's income to 2012 income. An example, in case you don't understand, a house in 1950 cost 20,000, today it is 300,000. The only thing that got cut from 1950 to 2012 in tax rates were the taxes on the very wealthy. It is called a ratio, look it up.
1:59 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
BAW!!!! Romney overlooked our governor. How can he overlook our governor? You can spot him a mile away! I was looking forward to all the national press attention on Christie. He loves to shoot off his BIG mouth at the drop of the hat. Now we have to live with Christie until at least the election late next year. New Jersey loss BIG TIME on Romney's slight. America's gain is New Jersey's loss. BAW!!!!!!!!!!!
make my day
2:15 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Why has obama paid $4 million to keep all his records, from his passport, to college applications, to the reason he had to forfeit his lawyer license sealed? Just wondering. Why was he using the alias Harrison J Boudel for years? Hmmm? Why does he continue to employ a PROVEN LIAR as a campaign manager? Why has the "LAME STREAM MEDIA" continued to protect this man? Maybe Chris Matthews needs that thrill again.
2:24 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I'm usually red but voted blue in 2008.. Some ppl have short term memory .. I'm going to wait n see who has a REAL plan moving forward. Has our president done the best job.. Maybe not but he did bring a plan forward on many areas neglected by his predecessor .. He got bin laden n brought our troops home.... He has attempted to address the economy issues often noting bipartisan support..Bush is on a yacht somewhere n sat by idly when it all crashed in 2008.. McCain would've had a better chance before the Palin bomb. I hope this time around it will be better.....TBC
bob migliaccio
2:50 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
"has he done the best job"--he has done a horrible job. Any other President with his record would be down by 10 points. The guy has done nothing right-he has come up with no plan for anything. He is big on commissions and study groups, but he never follows through, photo ops. I am not Romney fan but to say Obama has been successful at anything is just lying.
bob migliaccio
2:47 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Yes Ryan's plan would kill seniors. I've been hearing this since I was a kid and seems to me more seniors are alive now than ever! Democrats in non election years agree entitlements will be the death of us but when someone, anyone brings a plan along to deal with this it is met with "your gonna kill grandma". Seems to me democrats know this is our biggest problem fiscally yet refuse to act-cowards. If you don't like Ryan's plan, give us an alternative.
4:13 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Retired military pay about $600 per year for their families.They pay small co-pays for meds.Some of them have other gov't jobs,sometimes on the same bases the retired from,and collect wages or salaries,plus their pensions.
Olivier Francis
3:40 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Bob, can you elaborate. He has rescued auto industry. It is as brilliant as the Louisiana Purchase or the Alaska Purchase as Potus saved the state of Michigan. Got the SOB with a dare-devil mission. Which department under Obamas watch has increased spending. All the money has gone to pay for prior borrowed amounts. Wars cannot be stopped overnight. Obama made a mistake there. I do not get it? Bob you have a problem with the coloror what? Can you elaborate where he has failed? It is ok to have unfounded apprehensions. We all do. Be aware though. Dont think your distate for Obama to be rationally founded. There is no substance. By every measure he has out-performed rational expectation. He did not mislead the nation .. take us to wars on lies, pander to the rich .. with one sided tax breaks.
Come to grips with your fears, Bob. You are just afraid of the way the man looks. Isnt it? May be you do not like the party label.
1:05 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
During the campaign, the NY Times editorial page, while endorsing Obama, admitted that they did so despite his " whisper thin" resume. I thought he seemed liked a Tony-Robbins-style motivational speaker - got people cheering and weeping, but really, what exactly was he saying? I never thought he was prepared to do the job, and ever since he got elected, all I keep hearing is, " well, he was handed a mess, it will take a while to fix it. So let's give him four more years to see if he can. " i think there are many people who are not racist at all, who never really thought this guy had what it takes to do the job. I know from the diapering bumper stickers that many of the biggest Obama fans in my neighborhood lost their enthusiasm well before this election. There was nothing in Bobs comment to suggest that he was racist. Trying to invalidate someone's opinion by calling them a racist is at the very least, close-minded.
bob migliaccio
3:47 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How dare you use the "racist" claim against me-you have no idea what's in my heart. I do not see color when I see President Obama-I see a man in way over his head. The Auto industry saved-really? And the daring mission to get Bin Laden-Carter would have taken that shot. If you see a successful President please go ahead and vote for him but please don;t call me a racist because I disagree.
3:27 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
bob migliaccio
3:50 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
8.3 unemployment. 1 million more people out of work than when he took office (yet he created 4 million jobs?) almost doubled debt in less than 4 years. Yes your right he is a genius and I must just be a racist for pointing this out.
Olivier Francis
7:17 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Bob, when Obama took over we were loosing 700K jobs a month. Our President
stopped the bleeding and now we are actually posting some increase. You are seeing what you wish to see. You are supressing those other inconvenient facts.
bob migliaccio
3:55 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
But what's really important-Romney's tax returns! The only reason democrats are making a stink is so they can say "look he's rich and evil" he took tax breaks like every other American. Again I don't like Romney, but this whole strategy of demonizing him for being successful with NO PROOF or wrongdoing is UnAmerican.
Olivier Francis
3:59 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You are right Bob. I am at fault. But can you blame one federal department other than defense which has increased its budget under President Obama. President Obama reduced 2% Social security tax for everyone in America. President Obama forced the Insurance industry to carry my kids on my policy until they are 26. While Bush did not allow the marine to take out the SOB when he was in their cross-hairs, President Obama took enormous risk to kill him where he was hiding. Why would you label such accomplishments as horrible? If you have time please let me know. He is not spending more (he has not initiated programs) as a president you cannot shutdown wars and the brain detad congress would not kill the tax break. So I am failing to understand your logic. What is your rationale to not celebrate his accomplishments under the circumstances he took office. How would you have done?
What different programs would you have done? Unconditionally I withdraw my statements I made earlier. Can you elaborate with facts citing deparments that are spending more today. You never know we might have more in common. As I also want a brighter future for my kids. I do not like status quo. Thanks Bob for understanding and accepting my retraction. Let us have civil and factual conversation.
5:00 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
If you read the bill there are so many goodies in it. There are more the 20 tax increases in it. also............
Obama Plan Cuts Billions from Medicare, Medicaid
By Emily P. Walker, Washington Correspondent, MedPage Today
Published: September 19, 2011
WASHINGTON -- President Obama on Monday defended his 10-year plan to cut $3 trillion from the federal deficit -- a plan that includes $320 billion in proposed cuts to Medicare and Medicaid, largely by cutting payments for healthcare services.
bob migliaccio
4:10 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
When did I say anything about more spending? Did I miss something? When you look at the state of this country you actually see us heading in right direction that gives you a "brighter future" for your kids--really? I guess I'm looking at different indicators than you are because all outlooks for the future of this country right now are not good. Spiraling debt, which he has not addressed at all unless of course you believe the fuzzy math that goes along with "pass healthcare and deficit will go down", a notion only believed by people like Paul Krugman. I guess we see two different America's, I like to look at the one where hard work reaps rewards, you see the version where successful people are the problem. This to me is what this election is all about, I like rich people and hope to one someday.
bob migliaccio
4:15 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
oh and the whole "he took over and it was really bad" line is silly. It was not a surprise when he took office that things were bad-he said he could fix them in 1 term. The excuses for this guy are endless, just last week when unemployment went UP the media said it was better than expected numbers? How low has the bar been set at this point to make the guy look good-really?
4:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I can't believe the above commentator went ahead and used the racist card against Bob! How dare you! That was so immature!!! I realize you apologized, but come on pal, where is your head?? I think I know. And as for Romney, hey, I don't LOVE the choice, but I do like Paul Ryan. It's not fair to drill ANYONE who is successful. We are a country supposed to be built on capitalism. Free enterprise!! That us how we started, and that is how I hope we STAY!! What's with all these people now insulting people who make it big. I just don't get it! How about the entertainment industry!!?? Is it because they are all screaming libs that you guys aren't demonizing them?? Why don't you start screaming for all of their tax returns!?!?!?! Say like some of your favorites on the People Magazine covers, etc.!
4:46 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You know who I like and respect? George Romney, without whom the "successful' Mitt may have been stuck managing a Denny's somewhere. Seemed like a smart guy genuinely dedicated to public service and doing things the right way. How many years did he release?
9:20 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Rockn roll. lets see all of their returns. Hell let's see yours.
kevin sullivan
4:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
oliver you are correct for teabaggers like paul di bartolo and "concerned" the constitution exist only for them. they whine about their constitutional rights being taken away but if you ask them what rights they tell you to shut up thereby they try and remove your first ammendment right. yes wait till all these republican seniors who have been the only one able to attend gov crisco's 2 pm beach parties get a load of ryan. ryan who is trying to kill meals on wheels and transport for the disabled because those old ladies and the handicapped have had it too good for too long now. i almost want romney to win just to see the look on their faces when they realize romney wants to give the middle class a $2,000 tax hike while giving his wealthy buddies yet another tax break. nothing gives more confidence to the market and the american people than a president who keeps his money in swiss bank accounts and shelters in the caymans because he doesnt trust american banks. "wanna bet ten grand" that those like bob miglacio who say that obama is in over his head while ole bob here voted for sara palin in 2008 . theres no way she could ever be in over her head.
Paul J. DiBartolo
6:51 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Congrats on a classic, non-nonsensical rant. Ignorance is bliss and you prove it; especially your comment about the solvency of S.S. I realize, however, there's no hope in discussing anything intelligently with you when I read your rant, so I'm sure you won't mind if I just pass. You obviously don't need any convincing since you appear to have convinced yourself.
Brad Schaeffer
12:52 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Somewhere out there Bill Maher is searching for his mouth.
kevin sullivan
4:28 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
oh and bartolo social security is solvent until the year 2033 the same year paul ryan's budget is finally supposed to balance things out . lol
NBew Jersey Art
4:35 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Those who have pointed out that Obama reduced payroll taxes by 2% are correct. However, it seems to be slipping through the cracks that that is 2% less going to social security and therefore accelerating the bankruptcy of the system. How that can seem to be a good idea to anybody is mind-boggling.
I would favor eliminating the cap on the amount of wages subject to Social Security tax. However, since SS is already a scheme designed to redistribute the wealth, there would need to be changes to the payout formula. You may ask why is it a redistribution of wealth scheme. Here is the reason. If you were to retire at full returement age with average wages of $22,500/year, you would get $880/month. If you retired with average wages of $45,000/year or twice the wages of the first example, you would get $1314/month, not $1760/month or twice the $880/month you would expect. If you retired with average wages of $90,000/year, or four times the wages of the first example, you would get $2048/month, not $3520/month or four times the $880/month you would expect. If you are going to increase the limit on wages subject to SS tax, you need to reform the system so that more people get to keep more of the share of their contributions.
This is the real reason Democrats fight SS reform. If people were allowed to keep a portion of their SS contributions in private accounts and pass them on to their children, there would be less money available for redistribution.
4:36 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Wow all these eyes closed Kool-aid drinkers.....
John I agree...
How do you tell a Romney supporter from an Obama supporter?
Romney supporters sign their checks on the front.
Obama supporters sign their checks on the back.
4:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Wow, impressive. We're so bereft of any points of justification for our candidate that we're re-purposing Charlie Sheen quotes.
Lemme guess, your employer pays half your payroll taxes. Am I right?
7:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Porterincollingswood, to disapoint you NO, I pay my own and more......
8:01 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You pay more than 13.3%?
Pretty sure that's illegal.
Donna Griffin
11:05 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Porter - Pretty sure he's a sole proprietor/small business owner.
4:43 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Democrat with his eyes open now. I will not vote for Obama unless he shows his records even though he spent millions to hide them.
Occidental college records Columbia college records and Thesis. Harvard records,...Is he hiding something maybe as he said in his book he smoked drugs and did blow. and now he is not saying that he failed out of college one of the colleges...
.Selective Service registration, maybe there is none... Medical records..why hide them is their something medically wrong??....Illinois senate schedule and records, did he do something wrong?? Law practice client list.....Passport....
5:17 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Wow, I am sure the White House team is in a tizzy. They just lost 100% of their "birther" vote.
Will they recover? CAN they recover?
Paul J. DiBartolo
5:18 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Let's get Hairy Reid on this one. He should be able to find some unnamed source that will collaborate this story.
5:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
To firedup, it's tragic that so many other democrats are hopelessly blind. Did you see the Col.West campaign ad run by the Obamas? Check it out and tell me it wasn't racist! Since he did not decry it, he is for it.
7:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Opinionated, I did see the ad and West's remark about it, and the NAACP chimed in and said it was not racist. go figure : l
7:38 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Porterincollingswood, you can have the crazy birthers vote if you wish, with Alan Keyes and his birther law suit. (Keyes ran against Obama)
Bob English
7:55 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
firedup...most of the things you mention (along with another 100+ or so insane emails) are dubunked on legitimate fact check sites such as snopes or factcheck.org
If Obama is as bad as some people like to think he is, you should ask yourself why some forces in this country are making up dozens of false emails and Facebook posts every day that are designed to tell the sheep exactly what they want to hear...just so long as it is anti Obama.
8:28 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Bob, I do not like Facebook, or read rumors, and do not believe in birthers. there are other issues. and the facts are out there. I have no faith in Factcheck or snopes they were form and run by liberal groups. I have known that for 4 yrs. already..
: )
1:29 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
And five more won't vote for Romney until he ponies up his tax papers. We are confident he paid zero to nil in an advantageous tax bracket he enjoyed while sending his saving to Grand Cayman if not Switzerland.
5:09 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I am ashamed to say that I voted for Obama but I will not make that mistake again. Once bitten twice shy....never again!
Olivier Francis
10:14 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ashamed may be, you are. But please accept my sincere gratitude for giving the nation some reprieve. Saving us ALL from Alaskan genius who reads all news papers. I could not vote just for that. Who has time to read all the papers. Only in Alaska.
5:21 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Hey Bob Smith, your initials say it all about you. You say the top 2% in britain pay 50% of their income in taxes. Not as bad as here Buddy Boy! Now let's see you get out your little calculator and add this: 36% is the highest level (right?), add in 7% in income tax, 7% sales tax, and then use your imagination for property taxes. Now that is more than 50%, isn't it. Your arguments are as feeble as Harry Reid and your rhetoric is as believeable as something out of nazi Germany.
Paul J. DiBartolo
5:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Don't forget payroll taxes (i.e., S.S. and Medicare), not to mention gasoline taxes. In addition, every fee you pay, such as driver's license, vehicle registration, dog license, etc., are all hidden taxes because the pols are afraid to call them what they really are for fear of the backlash.
5:55 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Thank you, Paul. I hope this won't overwhelm Mr. Smith. Sadly, I think he'll either ignore us, say it doesn't matter, or call us names and change the subject. Which do you think?
6:05 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I don't know enough about Mr. Ryan except he had the stones to propose that budget. but Romney needs someone to call out all of these storytellers and jam the truth down their throats. Can he do that? That is to be seen. One thing people don't seem to realize is that his proposals are open to debate and those in Congress are suppose to give and take like Obamacare (opps, sorry). The problem is that the dems have such poor leadership in Congress (Reid and Pelosi) that it has become too hard to have much dialogue. They make Gingrich look reasonable. I know the Democratic Party has some good people in Congress. Why aren't they in leadership roles? To people like Beth, those who have hijacked your party are far worse than anything the Tea Party could muster.
7:02 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Romney's pick of Ryan is just like McCain's pick of Palin. He blew the election by trying to go rogue! America needs a Medicare-killer like a hole in the head.
7:17 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Rubio would have been a number one choice, but Ryan is surely a close second.
ANYBODY but Obama and his socialism.
Just a reminder, the problem with socialism, is that you eventually run out of "other" people's money.
So Much to Say
7:31 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
BAD CHOICE MITT!!!! Looking to a "cutie pie" just blew Mitt the election. God help us all if Obama is reelected.
50 cent
7:36 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Look what the Democrats had done to Camden. We aint got no jobs and murders everywhere. We need jobs not handouts. Obama when you gonna visit? We voted you in.
50 cent
7:42 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
My cousin live in Detroit too. Nothin but empty houses and drugs and murders. What these Democrats doin? We needs jobs but instead we got closed auto factories. How come we aint gettin no more bailouts?
50 cent
7:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How come we aint got no jobs? The stimulus promised us and it aint helpin. Obama lied to get our votes.
Bob English
7:57 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The stimulous created or saved aprox 2 million jobs. Unfortunately aprox 8 million jobs were lost in the Bush depression and it is going to take several years to get all of them back.
NBew Jersey Art
8:40 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Factcheck? Give us a break. You might as well site the Daily Cos or MoveOn.Org as a source. Factcheck is run by the Annenberg Foundation, the same group that gave Bill Ayers, Obama's mentor, millions.
9:25 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
50 cent....
You are obviously a low information bigot. When you pick locations to talk about, you left out poor(red state) southern white areas. You use generalizations that are common among low information voters who really have nothing constructive to say. Sounds like you represent the right party.
Donna Griffin
11:19 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Bob English - Do you know anyone in the real world?!?! The only jobs a president is capable of "creating" are government jobs. It's the free market that creates long-term, sustainable, non-taxpayer funded employment. That's called Economics 101. Additionally, with nearly 47% of Americans paying no federal income tax, exactly where does our esteemed leader get the cheddar to "create" jobs or bail out industries of his choosing? Perhaps if you sat back, took a deep breath and understood that $10 trillion national debt is "bad." $16 trillion national debt is "worse." If we accept the argument that EVERYTHING is Bush's fault, then Obama clearly was not up for the job of repairing the problems despite his cute, little campaign slogan of "hope and change." Lastly, Obama cannot take credit when unemployment rates go down but not take responsibility for when they go up under his watch.
50 cent
8:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
That aint true Bob. 1 trillion to save 2 million. What a failure. We aint got no jobs in camden. Bushie aint respinsinble for camdens failures. Democrats are. Democrats use us for votes with promises. We aint fallen for it no more. Too muich borrowing and no jobs.
50 cent
8:13 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How come obama lettin illegals get benesfits? We aint got none but illegals do. When obama comin to camden to see how it really is
50 cent
8:15 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Bobbie why aint camden makin it? What is obama doin for us? No votes for obama. He is a liar and failure.
50 cent
8:21 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Mayor redd where are the jobs? You are a Democrat. All we have is drugs and murders. All that money for the schools and what we got to show for it. Democrats are failures. They use us for votes and they politicians get rich and we gets poorer. Shame on Democrats.
Bob English
8:21 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Sorry you can deal with facts. 8 million jobs were lost during the recssion. The stimulous saved or created aprox 2 million jobs.
NBew Jersey Art
8:36 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Ah yes, the old "saved" jobs proposition. Too bad there isn't any way to quantify that. And let us not forget that the recession only started when the Dems took control of Congress in 2006. Wasn't Barry a senator then? He had no ideas then and he has none now.
8:41 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
NB, don't worry, you'll get your check. Take a nap until it comes, OK?
NBew Jersey Art
8:44 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
No time for naps Porter. Time to get active and save the republic. You know, I'd be perfectly happy to get no Social Security check if the government hadn't taken my money over the years and redistributed it. If I hadn't paid into SS and invested it myself, I'd be a lot better off and I would be able to will it to my children. But simce leftists took it all these years, damn right I intend to get it back.
8:56 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How about your prescriptions, you getting those? Ryan supported that giveaway to the drug companies, so it only makes sense you'd soak that up. If it doesn't come over, let me know because I have the receipt. It's dated 4/16/12.
NBew Jersey Art
9:03 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Well actually Peter, I do get most of my prescription costs paid for, even though I was opposed to the creation of the Medicare drug benefit. Since I've lived my life responsibly, I would have prescription benefits from other sources without it. I would like to see it repealed. There's no reason for irresponsible people to have their drugs paid for in a free society that honors work.
9:08 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Awesome. Great news. Since your earlier post made it clear that your only goal was to keep your checks coming at the expense of everyone under the age of 55, my only hope is that you continue to maximize the benefits you'd deny others*.
* who have also paid the same payroll taxes you paid all your life (but screw us, right?).
NBew Jersey Art
9:15 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Porter - the only way to save the system so that you and my children in their 30s will be able to get back any of the money you have put in is to overhaul it. People under 55 as far as Medicare and 45 as far as Social Security have time to make the appropriate adjustments before they retire. People already collecting do not and have made plans based on the defective system that has existed. They cannot be expected to adjust. I will most likely be dead when the system runs out of money so keeping the current system will have no effect on me. It is my children and grandchildren that I am concerned about. Eventually leftists run out of other people's money and the system crashes. I'll love to know your solution to the problem other than tax the rich or if you even think a problem exists.
9:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Stop it, if you cared even a little bit about future generations you wouldn't have made every race since 1980 about lower taxes (because that benefited your generation) and higher non-stop giveaways to seniors (because that benefits you now). You guys cared about yourselves, nothing else. You sucked it dry, broke it, fought ANY attempts to control costs or means-test, and - ultimately - paid 10 cents on the dollar for what you'll end up using.
My payroll taxes are going to pay for what you are using now. That money's gone, no shot I get that back (especially when Ryan's voucher plan is implemented).
Enjoy it! And stop your sanctimonious Boomer crap about giving a crap about anyone else other than yourself. Please.
NBew Jersey Art
9:41 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Porter - up until your last diatribe I thought you were a reasonable person with whom I could have a discussion. However, it is obvious that you are a very angry small minded person. Instead of responding to my request that you share your thoughts on how to solve the problem, you attack me personally even though you know nothing of me or my family or my motives. Ad hominem attacks are the last resort of people with nothing to say. Consequently, I am done with you. Please feel free to have the last post if your present tantrum requires it.
9:46 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How about this - we do it your way, as you suggested in your earlier post.
You keep cashing the checks, the rest of is will exchange our future security to make it happen for you.
Sound fair?
Good night.
9:54 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
PS - I am respectful and reasonable most of the time. That post of your above was just too offensive to take. The sense of entitlement is just too much to bear. That attitude of yours is everything that's wrong with America, and how we ended up in this mess to begin with.
And you may want to look up the definition of ad hominem. Because bringing up how a generation made choices that caused the current problems we faced doesn't qualify.
Mary Mann
10:00 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
The "Boomer crap" comment is on the edge. I know you can do better! Please stick to the issues.
50 cent
8:25 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Bob why afyer trillion dollar failed stimulus and trillion dollar budget deficits we aint got no jobs. We need real jobs too not unions only. Middle class aint all union.
Bob English
8:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
50 cent...I'm not saying things are good by any means....just vote for and support people who share your views.
50 cent
8:28 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Obama is a liar. He hurtin people with his lies and gettin rich. What is he doin for us come visit and I will showe him around. He don't care. The Democrats don't care. They use us.how many Democrats like norcross and corzoine aint the 1 percent.
50 cent
8:30 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
We lost 8 million and saved 2 million. That is failing. Obama failin us. Camden needs new people and leaders
50 cent
8:32 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
What is obama doing for us in camden? We takin us fdor granted. Don't vote for him. Give someone else a chance.
50 cent
8:48 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How come our debt is going to 25 trillion. How we gonna pay for that if we aont got no jobs? Jobs make economy move. That is why camden aint workin. No jobs just murders and drugs
agent itchy
9:03 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul Ryan is the only one with the courage to dismantle social security and medicare. With Ayn Rand as his mentor, it's time each individual educate themselves and create their own job. Individuals must save for their own medical and retirement needs. If you're old and didn't save enough than too bad. With Paul and Mitt you're not getting any more of my money.
agent itchy
9:06 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul Ryan knows that it's every man for himself. Give the job creators more tax breaks and choke off medicare and social security. That's the Romney/Ryan plan.
Obama is really a secret Kenyan Muslim
9:16 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
You said it Chilly. This ticket is downright scary. The only ones going to vote this one in are rich or stupid, very stupid. I am afraid of the stupid people here.
Paul Ryan is the author of the most extreme right-wing budget ever proposed in Congress. He wants to dismantle Medicare, privatize Social Security, and cut taxes for millionaires while raising taxes on the middle class.
50 cent
9:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
What is right wing about balancing the budget? Obama aint got no ideas and we aint got no jobs. Obama is a failure too. Camden needs new blood instead of blood on the styreet.
50 cent
9:20 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Look at this crap. The debt explodes. Medicare and social securoty explodes. We aint got no way to pay for it. Obama is a failure. Don't vote for more debt and higher spending. Camden aint suckers no more
9:24 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How about this for an idea:
Suppose we vote for none of them.
Suppose they had an election and no one showed up.
Boycott RepublicRATS, boycott DemocRATS
Time to oust all of the RATS.
Olivier Francis
8:24 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Wonderful and brilliant proposal. For a minute if everyone who loves All things American can think beyond party label, and put United States of America first we can come up with a workable plan. At least a plan. Right now most of us are working way too hard, with no time to think, listen to some politcal rant over TV, and blindly subscribe to one position or the other. I am eager to come up with a plan that would solve our debt problem, clean up the sesspool in Washington.
50 cent
9:25 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Don't obamacare raise taxes on medicare for all of us 3.8 percent next year. I can't afford that. He lied. He's a failure just to give benefits to illegals
50 cent
9:30 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
I likes term limits idea. Why won't obama agree to that?
50 cent
9:40 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
We gots to stop promising for votes when the money aint there. Look at interest on 25 trillion in debt. That money could be fixin things not goin to china. Why is obama lyin about the debt he said he would cut. He's a failure
9:50 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Even though both candidates for President sucks, I'm still going to vote for Obama. At least he was able to clean up most of Bush's mess. Got us out of Iraq. Took out Osama Bin Laden. Saved the auto industry. Plus he pass his health care law, which would benefit me who doesn't have health insurance. I don't care about my social security. I setup my own retirement plan by opening a Roth IRA.
agent itchy
10:07 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
good for you. keep investing the max. SS was NEVER meant to be a retirement account. it's a supplement to your retirement.
$400,000 in an annuity will pay you about $20,000 per year. Do you have $400,000? and can you live on $20,000? trust me, you're gonna want that SS
10:22 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Chilly - agreed. And most of the people know are doing just that. Two caveats that concern me...
The people I know doing this tend to be college educated people in industries that didn't get killed in the recession. Their wages may have stagnated and they may have had some down years (2008-2009), but they're not in dire straits. They make good money, have some to set aside.
Also, people my age were able to invest when they were in the early stages of their career, before family obligations hit and the recession started. That's critical if your employer matches (and do they even do that anymore?). Younger people can't do that in a sustained downturn like this. Plus, people my age don't have the student loan debt of 20-somethings today (which can't be discharged even in bankruptcy).
And maybe a 3rd - its almost certain that the high returns that were seen in the previous decade will never be seen again. Without a high degree of disposable income to invest, that's going to hamper them in building that retirement fund.
But mainly my question is this - what do people who don't have "good jobs" do to save for retirement? In the past blue collar workers were in unions and had pensions. Those are gone.
How do those people make that work? And if they don't, how doesn't the government come to their rescue with some kind of program later on? Don't we end up right back where we started?
Olivier Francis
12:08 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
NiHoMa I am also voting for Obama. But let that not stop us from having a civil conversation, thinking through problems. Even if it is a meaningless chorum in some strange online community called Patch.com. Let the nation discover a few citizens who admitted the current systems is fraught with problems and seek a solution.
BTW, small government folks are just a fad. Not one of the teabaggers rejected or refused salary hikes. Not one tabled a motion to reduce congress headcount. Why do we need 435 reps and 100 senators. We can do with 217 reps and 49+1 senators. Actually 3 would do just fine. Since we allow only 2 parties and everyone votes along party lines, 3 would do just fine. We can make the currrent congress a museum and from the entrance fees we can pay the 6 peoples salaries. They make 140K plus + superlative healthcare + pension after 1 term. Go figure. In return what do they do: filibuster, kick the can down the road, or investigate who copulated with whom. Useless and shameless grown up bunch. If I function like that where I work, I will be out of work before 11 AM. First we should get rid of the vast majority of them. Paul Ryan thinks and while I think he is misguided but I believe he means well. I disagree with him on how to fix the defunct system. A system of 300 million people cannot be viewed in those terms. Just pay a visit to one of the side streets where homeless hangout in NYC. They are no different from thirdworld slums. Even the poor deserve dignity.
50 cent
10:03 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How we gonna pay 950 billion in interest costs. What a waste. Nice budget obama. Failure
10:08 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Is there anyone here that wasn't going to vote for Romney that now will because he chose Ryan? Because of his conservative credentials or maybe because he's from a more mainstream religion?
Honestly, I can't see who he brings in that wasn't already on board, but I may be wrong. That's what interests me.
50 cent
10:14 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
How come medicare going up 500 billion over next 10 yrs. I thougjt costs were going down. Another lie
Joe R
10:22 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Paul Ryan is on record as being an Ayn Rand fan, though he is backpeddaling and flip flopping on his love for this psychotic sociopath. "I grew up on Ayn Rand," Ryan told the Atlas Society, a group of Rand devotees, in a 2005 speech. "That's what I tell people ... you know, everybody does their soul-searching, and trying to find out who they are and what they believe, and you learn about yourself ... I grew up reading Ayn Rand, and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are." In other words, the sick, the disabled, the elderly, the poor, all the kids living in poverty can all go to hell, rot in the gutter or beg for alms.
10:26 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Loves Ayn Rand. And yet has never had a non-government job. Wow. Hope the irony isn't lost on him.
Capitol Hill isn't exactly a quarry. Ya know what I'm sayin'?
NBew Jersey Art
10:34 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Do you always get your citations from Wikipedia?
NBew Jersey Art
10:43 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
JoeR - you should be aware that I have used Wikipedia references myself in the past. I didn't say that was wrong on your part, just curoius about whether or not you had a better source.
10:53 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Actually, none of the Rand stuff is up on Ryan's Wiki page. It was scrubbed, just as Palin's was in the hours before her nomination (hence the ability of the networks to get the early scoop).
So, uh, why the mention of Wikipedia? And why the later note? Please, illuminate.
How about some Ryan trivia from his Wilipedia page? How did Paul Ryan pay for his education at Miami U.? The education he's use to try and demolish Social Security?
answer: his dad's social security benefits
Paul J. DiBartolo
9:25 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
What's your point, Porter? I've paid S.S. for 40 years. That doesn't alter the fact that it's broke and the government raided it over and over again until there was no money left. Do I deserve a benefit? Do you? $100 trillion of unfunded liabilities; where do you think that will come from?
11:58 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
You do, I do, and current seniors do.
The difference is that people 30 years old are going to have to foot the bill for themselves and for those over 65. They get a double hit, so either have to pay more in taxes or take a lower level of benefits (which is a tax as well).
And that scenario, government raiding it, is the direct result of income tax breaks that have consistently been demanded and delivered since the 60's.
As usual, my point is this - the current crisis is the result of how people voted, and the demands they made. Unfortunately, those who didn't get to have a voice in that process are now on the hook for the bill.
50 cent
10:27 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Obama aint creatin no jobs and all we have is debt. No jobs and debt is what happened to us in camden. Why do Democrats use us and then our citys still fail. Debt aint the answer. We being used. Don't vote for obama
7:43 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
As far as I have heard government does not creat jobs job creators do. So since
the Bush tax breaks are still in place where the jobs.
50 cent
10:30 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Obama on record to cut the debt and create jobs. We got nothin but more debt to china. He lies and uses us. Don't vote for him. Camden can do better
Joe R
10:33 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Social Security is not broke, it's not bankrupt, it's not a Ponzi scheme. It's been sending out benefits and hasn't missed a payment in over 70 years through wars and recessions. The SS trust fund is worth $2.7 trillion and it earns interest. It can make full payments through 2033. Just raise or eliminate the wage tax CAP and SS will be great for 75 years. By the way, SS is not just for the elderly it's also for younger folks if they become disabled and there are survival benefits. The real Ponzi scheme is the 401K that can lose half or more of its value in a recession or can vanish due to corporate malfeasance. 401ks are a lottery, there a some winners but many more losers.
NBew Jersey Art
10:36 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
There is no money in the trust fund. That was raided long ago. It is only backed by the IOUs from the federal government.
11:01 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Oh Joe, using the term "trust fund" with politicians, you should no better. It's gone with the wind(bags).
Paul J. DiBartolo
9:16 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Oh wow, did I need that laugh. Thanks, Joe, for the levity. What universe do you live in? Exactly where can this trust fund be found?
50 cent
10:34 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Obama is a liar. No jobs. More debt. We aint seen him in camden. What's he doin for us.
Joe R
10:37 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
@50 cent: ALL medical costs are going up, private for profit health insurance premiums are skyrocketing, that's why we have 50 million uninsured (from the US CENSUS). The average person can not afford health insurance on his own. He needs a job that provides health insurance as part of his benefits package.
50 cent
10:41 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Joe where are the jobs. How we gonna have good jobs if debt goes up and medicare goes up. We can't borrow no more from china
10:43 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Government debt has always gone up since this country was founded. We should blame George Washington for not getting us out of debt in the first place. lol
50 cent
10:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Debt aint no good. My mom said you buy what you can afford. How muchj we wastin on 25 trillion for just interest to china? Dumb move. Obama said it was unpatriotic. He's a liar.
NBew Jersey Art
10:46 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The worst part of being on this forum tonight is that it took me forever to get through my DVR watching my Cardinals beat the low life Phillies. But then again we always beat them like a bell!
10:51 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The fact of the matter is that ALL politicians have their own agendas...none are who they try to portray themselves as....regardless of their party. So, if one guy has been in for four years as hasn't done much to improve the country....then get him out and give someone else a chance. It's the logical thing to do.
50 cent
11:03 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
There aint no money.
Benefits goin down. Kids in camden aint got no shot. They need jobs and less murders. Why do Democrats fail us?
50 cent
11:08 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Why obama hangin out with hollywood stars who make millions on dumb movies. We got people in camden who need jobs and get rid of jobs. He wants to golf and play rich while we hurt. He lies. We got to stop supportin him. Time for change.
11:11 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
50 - just warning you the police are doing drunk stops in the area next weekend. Given your posts, you may want to keep off the road.
Joe R
11:23 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
The SS trust fund is US treasuries, special issue or not, they are backed by the full faith and credit of the US government like all the hundreds of millions (billions?) of treasuries owned by millions of Americans. I have US treasuries, are you telling me that tthey are fake IOUs? Are the treasuries owned by the Chinese and other foreign governments fake phoney, ha ha ho ho, bogus IOUs? The SS trust fund treasuries are just as valid as all the other treasuries, as our currency. IF the US government selectively chooses to default on the SS trust fund treasuries, then all the other treasuries wll be undermined, will be in jeaopardy and we will have bigger probelms than the deficit. By the way, the GOP and Ryan didn't give a damn about the deficit or debt when Bush was in office.
NBew Jersey Art
11:45 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Joe - there is no fund. There used to be a fund. The money we had all put into social security was in an account segregated from other government accounts. What was in the trust fund was borrowed by the federal government and spent. It was replaced with government IOUs, treasuries. The problem comes with ever increasing debt. There is a limit on how much the federal government can owe and how much it can borrow. Once that limit has been reached, it will not be able to borrow any more money. In the context of the debt ceiling crisis of last summer, Obama said last August that he could not guarantee that SS checks would go out because there might not be enough money in the coffers to do so. If there were real assets in the fund, the government would be able to pay benefits whether the debt ceiling were raised or not but since SS takes in less than it pays, the debt ceiling has to be continually raised to cover the payments. Are treasuries sagfe investments? Yes. But that does not address the problem that there are no real assets in the fund and that the government has to borrow to make SS payments. I hope I have made this clear.
11:41 pm on Saturday, August 11, 2012
Good to see this many people interested. If we rely on government to provide everything we are just going to end up like Greece. The government simply can not cover the expenses as they did when money was rolling in. The blame game is over. Either we fix the mess we are in and try to balance the budget or we continue down a road of paying out more than we have. This applies locally and nationally. Obama said that infrastructure needed an overhaul before he was elected. Our education system needs to be overhauled. Sadly, with all the money we spend on education there are many in this country that are not prepared for today's job market. In the last two decades there has been a shift from factory work to service jobs and high end tech jobs that employees need competitive skills to secure. Globalization and outsourcing have provided more competition for today's job seekers. We need to look at the bigger picture.
Joe R
9:24 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Patty, you are totally misinformed. NJ schools happen to be amongst the best schools in the country and are always in the top tier of schools in the US, NJ is first in graduation rates. The schools in the high poverty, high crime areas are struggling but the schools in the well funded school districts do just as well if not better than the elite private schools and the best schools of the world. In fact, National Assessment for Educational Progress (NAEP) scores have been steadily improving over the past decades for all ethnic and racial groups. NAEP is the gold standard for evaluating educational progress in America and the results of these tests show that US schools have been improving which totally undermines the garbage that our schools are failing. Our schools are supposedly so horrible and yet America is the most powerful economy on earth and we just landed the incredible Curiosity rover on Mars. The US has the highest number of kids living in povery amongst the wealthier industrialized nations. Poverty affects performance in school, graduation rates and educational outcomes.
1:19 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
IMO it is not the educational "system" persay that needs an overhaul although I do think Superintendents are way overpaid. I think it is the actual buildings on an elementary and secondary level that are in need of an overhaul. We could put a lot of people back to work modernizing them as well. As for lack of preparation - "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think." (sic)
Donna Griffin
4:13 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Joe R - Saying NJ is one of the best in a nation that ranks 20th internationally on all fronts of education is not saying much. The US, however, is #1 in one area of education - the highest per pupil cost in the world. Clearly, it is not a matter of funding. Only 35% of American high school seniors are proficient readers. Only 23% are proficient in math. Nationally, only 74% of ninth graders make it to graduation. In NJ (where we do better than the national average), 39% of eighth graders are proficient readers while a whopping 40% are proficient at math. However, 80% of incoming community college freshmen in NJ require remedial classes. The most startling fact of all is that 12% of American high schools have fewer than 60% of their ninth graders ever making it to twelfth grade. What the Department of Education and grown adults have done to the children of this nation should be considered an act of war.
4:35 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Joe R, You must be a grammar school teacher. Where you do get these facts from? Your superiors? I agree totally with Donna Griffin...Parents and most students in the upper grades are aware of all the problems that their school has. Some Administrator and Teachers are in denial and are not willing admit what is going on. Not only is Donna right on! A lot of kids drop out of school the first year of college.. They are not getting the special treatment that they really did not deserve. Schools have become a fraud in most of the towns. I can only hope college is different and is not going to play the same games that the public schools get away with.
Joe R
12:31 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
When you count in the interest, SS is still taking in more than it gives out. You can't have it both ways, if you say that the SS trust fund treasuries are fake IOUs, then all of them are fake and can be reneged upon. Greece's problems have nothing to do with entitlements, that's baloney. Germans work less hours per week than Greeks, have universal health care, very inexpensive university education and their economy is in great shape with lower unemployment than us. The Scandinavian countries have many more social safety net programs than Greece and they are doing very well, they are not broke, busted or bankrupt. Sweden has a guaranteed one month paid vacation for all workers and its economy is in very good shape and poverty is very low.
NBew Jersey Art
12:53 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
As you can see from my previous posts, I did not say the treasury IOUs are fake. Why do you keep saying that?
More importantly, SS's own web site states that the IOUs held by SS will be exhausted between 2036 and 2041 and that thereafter it will only be able to pay 3/4ths of scheduled benefits since those benefits will be paid thereafter only from SS tax revenues.
Here is the web page: http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/solvency/index.html
As a further note, the cash taken in by SS is exchanged for the IOUs and is then deposited in the US Treasury and is indistinguishable from all the other money in the government's general fund.
And you still did not address the debt ceiling problem which Obama himself stated. Was he lying?
10:25 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
This is the first year people who paid into social security paid more than what they are eligible to receive. There are towns in the US that have gone bankrupt due to not enough incoming revenue and having to spend more to sustain local economies. I was referring to the PISA scores that rank the US behind many other countries in key areas like science and math. Yes, we have a solid education system nationally and many go on to become entreprenueurs because of all our country has to offer. But, not all of our graduates move onto become the next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates. Many will have to compete for entry level jobs in a global environment under a different set of circumstances that graduates faced in last few decades. I am not saying we should not have any social programs, just saying we need to revise and reform to adapt to the ever changing global environment. Things that may have worked years ago may no longer work and may need to be adjusted.
1:16 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
I don't think the other societies you mention have the level of sticky fingers in the cookie jar that we have. It may sound cynical, but we appear to be rife with corruption in government regardless of party affiliation on every level.
Crazy World
1:28 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Mittney is a Moron/Mormon. Ryan is lying. Voteing for a republican is never saying that you are sorry that you are stupid. Is America ready to climb back into the hole that was started by the eight year reign of terror of the Bush/Cheney administration. A trillion+ dollars spent on two unnecessary wars, millions of good paying jobs lost to outsourcing contributing to lower tax revenue and tax cuts to the wealthiest Americans is the legacy of the republican party. Don't be fooled by what Mittney/Ryan are promising - its the same old bad stuff. I'm not crazy about Obama, but I would rather choose him over these two democracy destroyers.
John McC
6:50 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Crazy, I agree 100 %; "never saying that you are sorry you are stupid" I love that. Unfortunately its clear from reading these posts that many folks are completely taken in by Republican BS. Comes from watching Fox too much. Clinton left a budget sutplus which "W" threw away on two uneccessary wars and budget cuts for the 1% all of which we will be paying for for along time to come. Another Republing-run government will turn the USA iinto a third world type society where the 1% live in gated communities with armed guards while the rest of us live in tin shacks with sewage flowing in the streets. This is not your father's benevolent upper class Republican Party of the Eisenhower days; anyone who thinks they are have drunk too much of that kool-aid the right wingers like to talk about.
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:30 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Great choice of a pseudonym. I'll echo Mike Diviney's criticism of you a bit.
>> Mittney is a Moron/Mormon.
What kind of moron are you?
>> Voteing for a republican is never saying that you are sorry that you are stupid.
Have you ever considered investing in spell-checking or grammar-checking software? As Mike wrote, it would definitely help your credibility. As a matter of fact, the Patch has a built in spell-checker, just in case you didn't know what those squiggly red lines under the word "Voteing" meant.
Mike Diviney
2:57 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
The fact that you can't spell "voting" really hurts your credibility. The rest of your post destroys what little was left of it.
Crazy World
11:36 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I had to write it this way for all you republic-necks could understand!
4:15 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
50 cent-- Camden has been a lost cause for years!! when did Bush or Regan or any other Pres visit there. If the people of Camden are so concerned about jobs perhaps you should make it your FIRST job to CLEAN up what's wrong with it as a community. The problem is.. Ur looking for a handout... Wa wa wa.. We don't have jobs.. FIX ur community, get an education, and stop blaming the President for Camden's stupidity with the drugs and murders!! Oh right... thats Obama's fault ... He made you smoke crack and kill your neighbors... Rom n Ryan don't give a crap about Camden.. Memo-- no one does because YOU don't.
Donna Griffin
4:35 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
MetJones - I believe that we are politically on opposite sides of the spectrum, but you're right in one regard. If a community does not give a darn about itself, why in the world should anyone else? Translation....it is not the government's job to fix broken communities. The problem isn't poverty, it's a dependency culture that has been fostered which expects government to be the savior in every aspect of life. From providing free birth control, to food stamps, to long-term unemployment benefits, to public housing - the system is FAILING communities by crippling individual spirit & a work ethic. Self-reliance is non-existent and that culture of dependence has now become a multi-generational burden. God help us.
50 cent
8:19 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why you gota blame reagan and bushie. They didn't do nothin either but we voted for obama and we voted for mayor redd and the other Democrats. They lead camden and they failed. Why should we vote for Democrats who use us and then get rich while we hurt. What is Democrats doing if we is a lost cause. Why should we vote. Obama is a failure. We was used. They aint no good. Not all us don't work or on crack but Democrats spend and make it worse. Instead if welfare how about clean your yard or somethuing You know it true.
50 cent
8:26 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I sick of the excuses and lies. Obama said we would have jobs. Lie. Obama said he would cut the debt. Lie. When last time Norcross or lautinburg visited camden to see how we hurt. Lots want to work but there aint no jobs. Philly a mess too with them Democrats stealing pension moneys. They aint no good. They use us
50 cent
8:35 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
MeTjones you said racist. Obama wants camdens votes but he does nothin for us. why we dumb and vote over and over for lies. we ready to work. We need jobs. Don't lie to us and say vote me and then say we screwed do it youself. Don't vote for obama. Stop being used. He don't care about us. He cares about his money and fame while we hurt
9:23 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
50 cent, you are white and a major buffoon with your cheap parody of a white actor in blackface playing Amos and Andy. Grow up, your low IQ is showing. You embarrass anyone who is white - actually you embarrass anyone who is human. .
Joe R
9:00 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
After 2033, Social Security will still be able to pay out 75% to 80% of benefits IF (the key word is IF) nothing is done. Hopefully something sane will be done so that SS can pay 100% of benefits after 2033. Ryan's horrific plans for SS would be worse than the 75% payout after 2033 (IF nothing is done). In 1978, George Bush told the Texas Observer that SS would go bankrupt in 10 years. He lied in 1978, SS never really goes bankrupt because it's always collecting the SS wage tax. He lied in 2005 when he tried to privatize SS, it was highly unpopular and there was a lot of blowback and resistance to Bush's efforts. The two biggest lies about SS from the right wing and the libertarians: SS is a Ponzi scheme (lie) and the SS trust fund is made up of worthless IOUs (lie). These two lies are repeated over and over and over all over the right wing media almost 24/7.
Olivier Francis
9:15 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Joe R, I am a die hard democrat. But I also find SS to be a PONZI scheme. Madoff went to jail for doing the same thing. Where am I go wrong. Educate me.
SSA collects from current wage earners and pays yesterdays wage earners who paid into the system. What does a Ponzi scheme do.
Let us not be childish thinking it pays the bill today so it must continue. What about the wager earner in 2026 who will pay but will not get anything in return. Bernie Sanders and just about Senator will agree that if nothing is done Social security will be defunct at some point in the future. Explain to me what is wrong? Right wing does not mean everything is wrong. And everyone has to oppose them. Thanks to Right Wing for bringing this to light. Dems do not have the courage to fix it. They want to kick the can down the road.
As a Dem, paying SST 10.4 (thanks to Obama I would have been 12.4) I like to propose the following action plan:
Social Security will pay the current benefit retirees.
Social Security will be phased out.
Here is how that can be realized:
Sell all the US Treasuries it holds and buy market securities, some diversified allocation.
Current wage earners can divert 75% of the 12.4% into a self directed mandatorilly diversified retirement safety net plan. The other 25% will go toward paying the current beneficiaries. This 25% will supplement the income the trust (if it exists) receives to pay the bill. As it stands it is very poorly managed and not diversified.
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:23 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Now, now, Oliver, don't try to confuse Joe R. with the facts. He was just getting wound up and I was interested to see where his vaporous arguments would take us.
50 cent
9:08 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Medicare costs going up but we aint got no way to pay. Obama shows debt goin up every year to 25 trillion. We can't be spendin money we aint got. Who that help? In camden look at money all gone into pokcets of Democrats. How we expect children to be responsible when obama lies and borrows to pay the electric bill
50 cent
9:27 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Debt up. Medicare up.
How we gonna pay 950 billion in interest costs to china that is a year. What a failure. Why Obama submitting this mess?
50 cent
9:41 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
We in new jersey. I wanna know what obama and Demoncrats doin for us. You tell me where I lyin. We being used to get obama rich and no jobs for the people. What bein done for people of camden? We bein used. Don't vote for obama. He is a failure. No way to prove other
50 cent
9:43 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Money aint fixin our schools. That aint the problem so why keep spending. Makes all you people feel like you doin somethin so you can sleep better. It aint fixin it
50 cent
9:56 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why no one wanna talk about how we gonna pay 950 billion in interest costs to china. What a Failure
Crazy World
11:49 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Ask a republic-neck. He's the one that sent many of the good paying blue collar jobs to China and help contribute to the downfall of the middle class.
Ellen M. De Weever-Larkin
10:04 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ryan is a wonderful pick for this Country. BO and company has been destroying us. They have ripped our Constitution to shreds. Seniors don't let the liberals scare you, your health benefits will be saved with Romney/Ryan. Will changes take place, sure, they have to because BO took so much $ from them. This admin. has never had a budget & they had both house for the first 2 years. He had an agenda & the hell with us. We not only need Romney/Ryan but we also need Joe Kyrillos.
7:52 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
All knew very little was going to get done when the rebubs Sen.Mitch Mc
stated on the day after the president took office it was his job to make sure he was a one term President now that is the type of guy the country needs right?
If you need Joe so much invite him to dinner
Joe R
10:19 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Social Security is not a Ponzi scheme because it is not a fraud. There is no Charles Ponzi to skim off all the profits, the books are open for all to examine, go to the SS web site where everything is transparent, there is no one individual stealing millions from the system, there is no Charles Ponzi in the SS system. The books are not open to inspection in a Ponzi scheme, he probably kept two sets of books. The administrative costs for SS are very low compared to private sector financial management companies. I'm not aware of any Ponzi scheme that has lasted for over 70 years. SS does not go defunct because there are always workers to pay into the system. Bernie Sanders (and many others) say that the way to keep SS going is to raise or eliminate the SS wage tax cap. Currently the SS wage tax is capped at $110,100. What does that mean? It means that only the first $110,100 of income is subject to the SS tax. So only the first $110,100 of Bill Gates's income is subject to the SS wage tax, the rest of his vast income is not taxed by SS. Most Americans make less than $110,100 and so all of their income is subject to the SS wage tax whereas only a small fraction of Bill Gates's income is subject to the SS tax. Just raise or eliminate the cap and SS will be good for more than 75 years after 2033.
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:47 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
As for fraud...I happen to have a Social Security card that was issued during my senior year of high school in 1968 or 1969. The words "FOR SOCIAL SECURITY TAX PURPOSES - NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION" appear at the bottom. Can you please identify which part of the government's promise that our S.S. numbers would never be used for identification is not fraudulent?
Joe R., do yourself and all of us a favor and cross check your facts. To suggest that there is a pile of money sitting somewhere other than in a stack of 'never-to-be-paid' IOUs is not only ludicrous but naive. It's hard to take you serious when you keep repeating that lie.
As for eliminating S.S. contribution caps...do you also support eliminating S.S. distribution caps? S.S. works on the premise of a payout that is tied to the pay-in, right? Or are you just using this as another "make the rich pay their fare share" screed?
Joe R
10:20 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
From the website of the Social Security Administration:
Far from being "worthless IOUs," the investments held by the trust funds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U. S. Government. The government has always repaid Social Security, with interest. The special-issue securities are, therefore, just as safe as U.S. Savings Bonds or other financial instruments of the Federal government. [SSA.gov, retrieved 3/11/11]
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:53 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Too funny. How does a country that operates on 33% deficit spending each year, with debt standing at over $15 trillion, and nothing that makes its creditors think it will ever stop deficit spending and pay them back given its debt is projected to rise to $23 trillion (as per the CBO) by 2020, ever repay its obligations? Additionally, with 10,000 baby-boomers retiring each day and joining the S.S. & Medicare roles, do you understand the concept of "unfunded liabilities?"
50 cent
10:31 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
We use to be triple A but because of obama we now downgraded. More debt means more downgrades. Failure
10:51 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
...and of course this had nothing to do with Republican House Majority Leader Eric Cantor and Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell. . .there not part of the Government!
1:08 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
50 despite your persona we all know you are probably some white guy holing up in Mantaloking for the summer getting a good laugh. It is my considered goal to try to outpost you. Camden my Aunt Jennie.
9:52 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
the u.s. was downgraded because the moron tea bagers in congress, not even understanding what they were doing, would not raise the debt ceiling. Since the money was already spent it was just a formality but a necessary formality (and 50 cent - your schtick is so incredibly offensive - you are nothing but a disgusting racist)
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:15 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Jennifer, the U.S. was downgraded because no plan has yet been offered that attempts to pay down our nearly $16 trillion dollars of debt. No bank will continue to raise your credit limit when when you owe it 10-times your annual salary and want to borrow more and more money while only paying the interest, which eventually you will be unable to pay, as well. That's the reason for the downgrade. Do the research.
But I wouldn't expect you to trouble yourself with something so insignificant as that when it's apparent to all that you have a different agenda and don't care to know the facts or just can't take them all in.
BTW, if you're going to insult people with slang terminology that the hard-left liberal media-clowns use, a term that is so sexually charged (do you even know what it means?) that it doesn't belong in the public discourse, at least learn how to spell it. You make it obvious that you are a pathetic result of the NJ public school systems.
I'd rather not post in this manner but I do make it a point to reply to people in the same manner in which they post so they will not fail to understand my point.
50 cent
10:34 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why steal money from gates to pay for someone else? That aint what program meant for. Aint no one payin for my retirement. We broke stop the liars.
3:20 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
so Paul you are defending 50 cent and his offensive, racist posts by attacking me and my typos? You are wrong --- they downgraded after the tea party people refused to raise the debt ceiling and the money was already spent but those goons in Congress hadn't a clue. During a recession (culminating from the Bush years) you do not cut costs and lay off people. It is bad economic policy And what exactly is my slang terminology tea baggers??? I thought that is what these phony patriots were calling themselves or is it the Tea Party? Whatever, they are backed by the Koch brothers and many of them are idiots and the smart ones don't believe a word they say - they are the manipulators. So Paul or 50 cent or whoever you are - I am proud to be a Democrat fighting against the mean spirited, selfish, anti-woman Republicans
(and yes I know what Tea Baggers means - PERFECT DESCRIPTION)
Paul J. DiBartolo
4:56 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Read much, Jennifer? My criticisms were directed to you. FYI...there was never any real danger that the U.S. would miss an interest payment. And there's the catch right there. How long do you think you can keep borrowing money when all you ever do is make interest payments and then borrow more money? What happens when your loan gets so big that you can't even make the interest payments? Try to think for yourself a little bit instead of shilling for the left wing media. See how easy it is to make insulting remarks? Fact is, Jennifer, when a person falls back on name-calling it's because that person has no real information to add to the conversation and reveals a lack of intelligence. So, go ahead and do all the name-calling you like, it's really helping to make your point.
50 cent
10:38 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why if social security so safe not just move it off and put in lockbox then obama can't steal from it.
50 cent
10:50 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I ok with rich payin more but where it goin not to camden and phila cities. Obama and Democrats gettin rich and takin our votes for sure. Don't vote for obama he using us
50 cent
10:56 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Obama said he would cut the debt. He lies. He raising the debt and for what no jobs. We need to make our cities great what obama thinkin. Stop golfin and start workin
11:38 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
...that's not true! Obama was working with Boehner behind the scenes to cut 4Trillion over 10 years. . .then Eric Cantor and the Tea Party got wind of it . . .and threw a monkey wench into the negotiations. . .
Bob English
12:24 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Spooner is 100% correct. The best chance of cutting trillions from future deficits was torpedoed by the right wing extremists in the House of Representatives who would not even support their own Speaker who was close to a deal with the President which would have cut trillions from future deficits. So if you want to vote out the people who killed the deal, get rid of the extremists in the House that would not compromise one penny.
FYI, a future deal that both sides will support will be very similar to what the President and the Speaker were working on.
10:57 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I was undecided until Romney picked Ryan. Ryan's stance on women and birth control is unacceptable.
Joe R
11:02 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ironically, Paul Ryan went to college thanks to his widowed mother's Social Security survivor's benefits. SS is not just for seniors and it also includes disability insurance.
1:06 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Wow Joe, I didn't know that. - Ryan looks like Eddie Munster. Check it out. I am being serious. He should be ashamed of the crap he is spinning. Let them Tax the one percent, close the borders and get down to organizing some work programs. We on our end should stop buying foreign made bull crap and stop polluting with all of the damn water bottles. Off topic a little, I know but it is the truth.
11:02 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Ryan is a great choice - I would vote for him as President
@ Joe R - You are mixing truth and falsehood in you SS argument. By virtue of the U.S. Government running over a $15T deficit negates the over $2T in the SS Trust fund. These events are not mutually exclusive, sir. Your posting that the trust fund is backed by the full faith and credit of the US Government is a truth, if only partial. In my opinion, the ONLY thing saving us from end results in the grossly irresponsible spending IS the full faith and credit of the US Government. Do you not think that has a limit too? When does that become eroded? I beleive your postings defending the SS trust fund despite the Federal Government deficits are misleading and do a disservice to those questioning its impact on SS. I have posted this before, and will again, at the risk of sounding like a "broken record". We the people must stop voting for congressmen/women based on party, but by their individual values. Our problems will not begin to get fixed unless we vote in more representatives who represent our values to the State Assemblies, Governors, Congress and the President. Vote for the person, not the party.
JOHNNY Done it
4:09 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I agree %100 I believe get the career politicians out..rotate,,,Get new blood in there..No matter what Party..
5:29 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
In a free society where the voters get to vote by secret ballot, regardless of whether they vote for or against a political party or individual, the voter's choice reflects his/her personal values and dreams. A candidate can fool the voters once, but when that candidate is reelected over and over again, then that candidate surely represents the values of the majority of the voters. Perhaps the best way to begin correcting America's problems is for the voter to take a long look in the mirror before voting again. It doesn't take as much as one might believe for 'we the people' to become 'them people.'
50 cent
11:05 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Joe why obama growing the debt when he promised to cut it. Social security not the issue budget spending is. How is spending helping our cities and creatin jobs? We got debt and no jobs. Obama fails
Joe R
11:06 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
SS is the only program in the federal government running a surplus, it has $2.7 trillion in assets which earn interest. It hasn't missed a payment in 70 plus years through wars and recessions and stock market crashes.
50 cent
11:13 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
How is social secirity creatin jobs or lowering the debt? There aint no money you lie show us a statement. We need jobs and lower debt. Obama lied. Don't vote for him. He use us all to get his while we hurt
Olivier Francis
11:33 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
SO Joe R, if I keep a open book and ask Peter into a fund and promise 10% return and the following years I will ask Paul to invest -- and use that to pay Peter -- would you be willing to invest into that fund? Let us be reasonable Joe R, you have no choice about FICA. Gov. sees the money before you see the check. It has remained in force Gov forces you to pay. Be it Sweden or France or USA where it is prevalent. But we have to agree Social Security is the worst money management in history. SSA takes money from people without choice and distributes it to people it promised earlier and the rest it invests in another arm of the govt. Which part of what I am saying is incorrect. Dont get me wrong. We must fund it to keep the promises made to earlier generations. People who cannot fend for themselves must be extended help. This is the Christian thought and it is a wonderful thought. We must share in hard times with those who for one reason or other are not blessed. But we cannot keep applying band-aid after band aids. We know the current practice and it is not working. Let us agree to fix it and not make it worse. Let us agree on what is wrong:
(1) Model is wrong -- Rob Peter and Pay Paul. Some of you are sensitive. Force Peter to pay Paul. When there are more Pauls than Peter this fails.
(2) Investing in US Treasuries (full or no faith) is not prudent because US also has a powerful printing press.
(3) Diversity current holdings, let people decide 75% and pay Paul 25%
50 cent
11:36 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Joe only wants his. He and obama aint doin anything for camden. We need jobs not debt so he can be rich. He fails. He use us for power than forgets us. What he doin but campaignin. Its been s years. We worse off. Don't be used no more
7:57 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
If Camden is in NJ is it not C.C's problem. How often do you think he thinks of that city or how many times has he visited it since being Gov?
50 cent
11:44 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
How they gonna cut 4 trillion what they cuttin? That make debt only 21 trillion not 25 so what more debt is more. How that helpin jobs? More lies. We aint fooled by lies and excuses. Don't vote for obama he lies. He said he would cut debt not go up 10 trillion. Failure
12:08 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
...it was a start...now what you got. . .forced reductions with a lesser deficit! And here's more facts about the deficit...
...Republicans obliterating any trace of the Bush administration that told America there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and led us into a devastating war; turned a $5 trillion projected budget surplus into a $6 trillion deficit; gave the largest tax cut in a generation to the richest Americans in history...which contributed more too it; handed out a mountain of corporate welfare to the oil and gas industry, pharmaceutical companies, and military contractors like Halliburton (uniquely benefiting the vice president), Lockheed-Martin,etc; whose officials turned a blind eye to Wall Street shenanigans that led to the worst financial calamity since the Great Crash of 1929 and then persuaded Congress(including Paul Ryan voting for it) to bail out the Street with the largest taxpayer-funded giveaway of all time...Republicans when Bush was President didn't talk about the deficit. . .why was that?
...you can't deny those facts!
50 cent
11:46 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why we keep bein used and lied to. We need jobs and got none. We got promised debt cut in half and it went up more. Obama say stay with me for what. It aint workin we worse off and bein used.
50 cent
12:03 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Porter that's what I am sayin we bein used for what no jobs crime murder and more debt. It aint workin. Obama has use us and failed. Mayor redd is doin nothin but gettin rich while we hurt. I can't borrow money to pay my bills why obama doin it.
12:09 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Since your clearly working as a pay-per-post guy feel free to respond to each of my emails individually. How's Winslow doing? Hot down there?
50 cent
12:16 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why you people always insult? What's winslow got to do with it you think you better than them or me? I post the truth. Obama lies and fails and we aint better off. Come visit my neighborhood I will walk you around to see the boarded up homes and drugs. Stop using us for obama to get rich. Democrats don't care they all rich on our backs. What the plan for jobs and help camden?
50 cent
12:24 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why no one tryin to explain this away? More spending more debt no jobs. More failure
50 cent
9:56 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why no one wanna talk about how we gonna pay 950 billion in interest costs to china. What a Failure
50 cent
12:35 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Spooner obama complained about bushies debt and said he would cut it. He is a liar. I can complain and promise to but if it aint cut we still screwed. Obama is responsible for it and his debt goin to 25 trillion. That aint no good. you can look back or fix it. What you propose we do same as camden pretend to care for the votes then go away. That aint right. We aint got no jobs but we got trillions in debt. Obama failed just like bush. Now what do we just hope it gets fixed
12:53 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Filthy scent....
Spooner? Liar? 25 Trillion? If you want act like your version of an uneducated rapper, why don't get a token job with Fox News. Maybe you could stand in back of the Munster family candidates at the Republican convention with the other token imbeciles.
12:56 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
...you have to be ignorant or don't know how Government works. Obama can say anything. . .but it takes legislation to enact it into law. And from the very first day in office the Republican legislators goal was to insure Obama's defeat in 2012. . .They became known as the party of "NO"
...that's why they torpedoed the $4Trillion Boehner/Obama deal to reduce the deficit. Obama would have gotten the credit and that would have guaranteed his re-election. The Republicans could care less about your Camden. . .and the Washington Democrats are probably not much better since Clinton?
Olivier Francis
12:36 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Hey fiTTy cent
Man it is hard to jump through hoops to read your posts. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. Can you do me a favor. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. Can you start a blog on blogger.com and post all your thoughts in one place, Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. so I can read and benefit all at once. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. This is just too hard...bro. Try it.. There is no limit. You can write a lot more ... we will all benefit. It is democratic forum. You can post here too. I am having trouble. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. The Blog could be named "The Obama Lies and Fitty Cent wisdom" You will be on Fox TV in no time. Here, u r trying hard brother. But Fox dont have time to find your snippets of wisdom. Easy does it. Get on blogger.com
Help everyone focus. Before you know it we can bid for Camden Olympics. Camden got everything man. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. Thames aint no Delaware. We got the juice buddy. It is upto you now. But please post the blog URL so we can benefit. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. London got nothing man. Not even what we got in Camden. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin. Boards wont go waste. We can use it for stadium scaffolding. Thasall Im sayin. u no what im sayin.
8:08 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Munster Family I kind of looked at them at the start as Snow White
and the Seven Dwarfs during the first few debates.
50 cent
12:43 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
No idea what you is sayin. You got ideas to cut the debt and create jobs so people can pay their bills I am right here. I know you people don't think we can think or read for ourself but we aint all sheep making obama rich. Write your ideas or show me some proof. I aint the one lyin its obama. He is failure. Voting for him is dumb that's what I is sayin.
50 cent
12:49 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why you people imsult and seek to mozzle people you can't prove wrong. Obama the one who lied not me. I research and post obama budget shows debt growing. No one complains about him. He aint doin nothin different. He said he would create jobs lower debt help people. We got no jobs more debt and people worse off. If that truth make me bad guu than ok. Obama lies and failed
50 cent
12:58 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
All you gots is insults. I get it. You can't talk truth with someone you don't think is you level. Use us and abuse us. Show me some proof obama aint a liar. Did he cut the debt or create jobs? Why is obama budget debt goin up? What city is obama helpin it aint philly or camden or detroit or any place in california where they filing for broke. Is that a lie? You fakes crack me up.
50 cent
1:02 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
he does say anything and lies. You right the Democrats can vote in Senate but they don't how come because they want to get reelected. You right Repubs don't care about camden but we aint votin for them. We vote for Democrats and what we get but used. That's what I am sayin we got to stop being sheep and dumb. Obama aint the answer. He the problem gettin rich while we hurt
1:42 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Obama for President. No need to have another Republican president starting another dumb war.
2:33 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
The afghans have killed over 6 soldiers this week, I hear no response from our commander and chief (Pres.)
An Afghan police officer shot and killed three U.S. Marines after sharing a meal with them before dawn Friday and then fled into the desolate darkness of southern Afghanistan, the third attack on coalition forces by their Afghan counterparts in a week.
8:09 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
You are not that far off several of Mittens advisers are recycled Bushies
50 cent
2:12 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Obama lies we got no jobs and lots of debt while he gets rich and golfs. He got his shot and failed.
2:22 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
50 cent ....besides his 202 golf games, You forgot the vacations taken by the King and Queen.
How many vacations has the average American taken in the past 3 years?????
-- President's Day 2012, Michelle and the first daughters in Aspen, Colorado to ski.
-- Christmas 2011, the first family in Hawaii for an extended vacation.
-- Summer 2011, in Martha's Vineyard, Mass., for the annual beach break.
-- June 2011, the first lady, her mother and daughters traveled to South Africa and Botswana.
-- President's Day 2011, the first lady and first daughters travel to Vail to ski.
-- Christmas 2010, in Hawaii.
-- August 2010, the first family traveled to Panama City Beach, Fla., for some sun and fun at the beach.
-- August 2010, Obama spent the weekend alone in Chicago for his 49th birthday bash.
-- August 2010, the first lady and daughter Sasha traveled to Spain for a mother-daughter vacation.
-- August 2010, summer vacation again at Martha's Vineyard.
-- July 2010, the first family went to Mount Desert Island, Maine.
-- May 2010, the first family had a four-day trip to Chicago.
-- March 2010, first lady and daughter spend Spring Break in New York City.
-- Christmas 2009, Hawaii again for the annual break.
-- August 2009, at Yellowstone National Park and the Grand Canyon for a short vacation.
-- August 2009, their first summer vacation as first family at Martha's Vineyard, Mass.
7:22 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Nobody had a problem with Bush going to Texas all the time to CUT BRUSH
instead of listening to or reading his Presidential Dail Briefings.
3:38 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Are you kidding me? Bush and Reagan took more vacations Now you are talking about Obama's vacations? Lame Reaching
And 50 cent you pulling our leg, brother????
Olivier Francis
2:51 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
--if you like to gather facts and then make up opinions. Note it appears on Forbes though the author is a liberal.
We all have a choice -- vote for the crooks and pay for it.
or vote for the trying and reap the benefits. Patience is a virtue and will be rewarded.
I am unhappy president did not address deficit, entitlement in his first term. But surely he works for the people. and is willing to work hard unlike Bush who did not care working from 10 AM to 3 Pm Mon thru thu relying on dick and condi, colin and Rummy and of course FOX. Dick shot his very own friend. He never hid his feelings. Rummy went to war with the army he got. Colin got duped and has never been the same.
Rumour has it he is solid BLUE now. Condi I give up.Bush ate on time and slept on time. I am not sure my vote would be counted but I am voting President Obama. HE is the only chance we got. Fitty Cent, what is the word bro. So what is tea party Republican accomplishments --
-- blocked a lot of moves
-- Supreme Court jumped in and we got Citizens United ruling -- America for sale.
-- Women got no right. Gabby's killer gets life because he used guns. Had he used knife we would have killed him right there.
Did I leave anything out.
3:19 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Sorry to disappoint you but Unger and the article by Nutting, were deceptive. and were corrected
It was spending to growth.. : )
To check the claim, we have produced our own numbers by presidency going back to the Kennedy Administration, measuring annual spending growth in a number of ways. They are:
Nominal growth of total spending
Inflation-adjusted (real) growth of total spending
GDP-adjusted growth of total spending
Real growth of primary (non-interest spending)
Real growth of total spending excluding automatic stabilizers
Annual Spending Growth by Administration
Total Spending Primary Spending Non-Stabilizer Spending
Administration Nominal Growth Real Growth GDP-Adjusted Growth Real Growth Real Growth
Kennedy/Johnson 8.2% 5.4% 0.6% 4.4% 5.6%
Nixon/Ford 10.5% 3.8% 0.9% 3.8% 3.4%
Carter 14.1% 2.8% 2.3% 2.7% -1.1%
Reagan 6.5% 2.6% -0.8% 0.6% 2.7%
Bush I 5.4% 1.5% 0.3% -2.3% 1.4%
Clinton 3.5% 0.9% -2.0% -0.6% 0.9%
Bush II 7.8% 5.2% 3.7% 4.5% 5.0%
Obama* 2.4% 0.3% -0.9% -1.4% -0.2%Sources: CBO, OMB, Bureau of Labor Statistics, CRFB calculations
*Uses President's budget spending for FY 2012 and 2013
"In terms of nominal and real total spending growth, the measures that Nutting used, President Obama does have the lowest growth"
10:02 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
That's not true. Obama did attempt to address the deficit, but got railroaded by Boehner and his right party supporters like Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan...to name two!
JOHNNY Done it
11:07 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
OLIVER you need not look at the party , look at the persons resume..you keep voting for who.. lets see never ran ,owned operated or was in charge of anything..not a governor ,But he he was a community activists. was a freshman senator..you keep voting for him.. The best voter is an educated voter..pull out the abacus the only thing adding up is the debt & his spending..If colin powell ran i would vote for him ..Obama has no accomplishments , I did i forget something no jobs high employement false hopes , high debt ..Oh did forget that is the change he promised....
Eric Slocum
3:12 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
We're going back into the dark ages. Selling out to the radical right. Ryan is against freedom of choice, which will put women, and family planning, back into the 1300s. And, anti-environment. I'd guess that he doesn't support Darwin's evolution but haven't found out yet for sure.
7:17 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
They say your wrong. You do have freedom of choice as long as they agree with your choice
3:33 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
maybe for a year or two we stop sending billions to other countries
buying their friendship oh thats right they keep the money then hide
those who hate theUSA. Then you have old Mitch in the Senate who
the day after the current President got into the White Hous said it was his job to make him a one term guy. Now that was in the best interest of the Country
50 cent
3:35 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I aint your bro and your use is racist. We aint all dumb sheep. I can read and obama budget is killing us. 25 trillion debt. Medicare exploding. No jobs. All I hear is excuses and lies. Obama is a failure
Why no one wanna talk about how we gonna pay 950 billion in interest costs to china. What a Failure
50 cent
3:41 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why has obama and mayor redd given up on camden? Lots of us want to work and get ahead but no one cares. We got drugs and murders and no business. We been use for votes to put obama in power and he gets rich and we still got nothin. All you camden haters know its true. We aint all bad. Stop using us to get rich. Come see us and help us to have a future. Obama don't care he got his. Where are the jobs?
50 cent
3:53 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Why you callin them the dark ages? Camden been bad for long time and nothin changin with hope. Obama aint no leader. He takes us for granted. We don't like debt and no jobs. We want a better future. He has failed us.
JOHNNY Done it
4:00 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Everyone gave him a chance .This is not his game..At any job you put a large company CEO in & he does what Obama & the board votes him again you can bet you will lose your job...So why put yourself in that position..Most of these people are sheep ..they dont think about there own future,your hanging your coat on a failure...His record proves it.....
JOHNNY Done it
3:55 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Lets wake up people obama has been in office how long with biden..He failed in homland issues no work no jobs & there foreign policy that biden is suppose to be his expertise , keeps giving the store away. to every other country. ,So the unions keeping pushing the dems...which there record shows what they did . They would vote a known dictator in if he ran on the democratic ticket... lets get the old out time for the new..Citys are nearing bankruptcy....At this point i would vote for an animal
4:03 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
No kidding Obama has put this country in the toilet since day one
7:27 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
You do know the union U.S. work force is under 12%.
The so called job creators still have the BUSH tax breaks
they wanted so where the jobs?
JOHNNY Done it
4:06 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Paul ryan his speciality is what we need ..New blood.. Not guys that use turbo tax and run a government dept
7:29 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
New blood he has been in Washing since he was 28 if
Mittens horse tapped it out that would make it 14 years
that is not new blood.
10:10 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Paul Ryan is a two-bit phony! Ryan's hands have been involved with convicted lobbyist Jack Abramoff and former House Leader Tom Delay. This guy has skeletons in the closet in Washington that will come out. . .
50 cent
4:15 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Obama aint no good. He said the debt was unpatriotic but his budget gets debt to 25 trillion and he wants to cut the army. He aint no patriot. He don't care about people just his golf and gettin his. Come to camden and see what is goin on. What is obama doin to help us accept stealin our votes.
7:32 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Romney said his health care plan would be a guide for the rest of the nation
that all should have some skin in the game and contribute to their health care plans
Now he in running away quicker than a Gold Medal sprinter.
type writer
5:20 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
The democrats will destroy him just like the others with the help of the lyin liberal media.
7:15 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Not if the unfair and unbalanced FOXY group have anything to
say in the matter. They will have their four or five neocons and
TPers on all against one dem and try to slant it their way just like
the other stations slant their shows. The regular media does not
have time to slant ploitical news like the cable shows because they
are busy reporting about the cat getting rescued out of a tree or
flooding near the Willowbrook Mall ( just like it has for the last 40 years)
not to mention the latest ethnic weekend parade no to say these parades
are not important
7:34 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Glad that you at least except his is Hawaiian and an American citizen.
Olivier Francis
5:41 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I am voting for Obama, but I am interested in finding ways to influence Mr. Obama to
make these adjustments. I am interested in helping other liberal minded friends to understand the issues and explore options. We are not even able to take that first step, because liberals label the right racist, heartless etc and right ridicule left as unpatriotic, weak or just ask them to leave the country. we mix up guns, womens right, balanced budget, entitlement spending, gay rights, immigration and becomes all or nothing. Nothing gets done. We need to prioritize these issues and discuss and send a strong petition plus million plus signatures to all members and president. If we cannot come to do that -- then we are doomed. We deserve to be doomed. Because agreeing to discuss issues in depth on a digital forum with made up names costs nothing.
My priority is:
-- Reduce congress to 3 members for House and 2+1 (VP) for Senate
-- Retire Social Security -- phase it out in such a way current beneficiaries continue to recieve but current contributres are allowed to contribute to any other plan at least partially and they agree to zero social sercurity benefits.
-- Censure all the presidents and house/senate from 1982-2012 for abdicating their responsibility and twice for kicking the can down the road.
-- force SSA to sell all the US Treasuries and invest in broad securities and earn better than US TSY.
-- Balanced Budget Amendment
Paul J. DiBartolo
7:06 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Oliver, While I realize we disagree, I appreciate your efforts to actually address the problems rather than the usual insulting and name-calling that tries to pass for comment here.
-- I don't quite understand your reduction of Congress plan. Are you suggesting three Reps from each state to the House regardless of state size? I'm not sure that would fly very well, especially with the larger states. The other problem is the smaller you make a governing body, aka, the Senate, the more power you deposit into each individual and thus the more possibility for corruption.
-- Yes, work out some way to retire Social Security. Make it a priority because it's a bust and we will never be able to sustain it at its current levels.
-- Censure...I'm not sure what that would accomplish.
-- Balanced Budget...Yes.
Gee, for disagreeing we certainly seem to agree on quite a bit.
Again, thanks for keeping it sane.
Olivier Francis
11:28 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
There are 435 in the house and they vote party line. So why do we need 435. We just need 1 per party -- presto. We will have party line voting. And the people of USA will not have to pay for the other 433 that dont think or count. They just trade their vote for some pork barrel. Just 2 senators will not cut it. We need three or 2 to break the fillibuster. We can save a lot of money.
Paul, I am tired for over 30 years they have done nothing except lewd material on Clinton and so on...in the library of congress. They passed a law prohibiting such material and they themselves dragged all that mud.
I am not too concerned which party. I am as livid when Charlie Wrangle does the trick on the people or Chief Justice RQuist does it. Democracy is broken. Founding fathers never fought for this mess. We may agree or disagree -- they came up with a solid vision for USA.
-- Social Security is fraud, ponzi and must be erased. I dont mind paying for my career but I want a drop dead date. My kids should not have to go through this govt sponsored ponzi.
-- Any public elected official if they do not perform there must be a consequence. We the people are not happy that they have squandered 30 years. Rotating them in and out does not appear to be working. So how do we communicate this in clear terms? Shame on all of them? Every one of them. There is no outcomes assesment.
-- Balanced Budget without exception -- is the beginning.
7 out
5:42 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I gota fair plan. If Ryan and Romney want to cut my future Medicare and social security then give me back every penny I have put into it for paying for retirees since I started getting a paycheck in 1983. Same with my state pension. Why should I get less than the seniors I am supporting today? And if you want to see what good austerity does, look at counties in the EU that have implemented it. How is25% to 50% unemployment going to drive an economy? I don't care if you have to cut the entire military budget and Jack up tax rates to 90% to do it.
Paul J. DiBartolo
7:12 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
See, that's where you are missing it. Your contributions to S.S. are not tied to any promise of payment. Do the math, do your due diligence, do something but look it up and you'll find that that's the truth. It's not your money. If it sounds like a rip-off, you're right. Contrary to what a few on this site keep insisting, S.S. is a Ponzi scheme and a scheme that is nearing its breaking point. Forget about getting you money back because there is no money. What you pay in is used to pay the current recipients because their money was used to pay those who went before them.
BTW, we do not have a Revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
7 out
5:59 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
And isn't it strange that socialist Scandinavia has not had any of the problems caused by the wall St. Ripoff of 2008? That's because the actually regulate banks there.
The only smart country who got screwed by the banks and ARM fraud was Iceland. They told the banks to take their bailout and stick it. They had two bad years and now their economy is outperforming many others.
6:31 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Me, me, me. Classic liberal and I bet a public employee, too. You really don't care if nothing was spent for a military and everyone else was taxed at 90% as long as you get yours. Me, me, me.
Olivier Francis
7:30 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
7 out, here are the options:
Continue to pay 10.2 if under dems win or 12.2 if reps win and get nothing when u retire -- there is nothing you can do --if there is no $$ and no one is willing to lend the US Govt to pay the interest to SS Trust..
if reps win more they will do such fine tricks as what gipper did... remember social security age got to 67
and if Scott Walker and Koch will have their way, Koch will buy/build all the funeral homes and Scott would pass a law that Soc Sec checks would go right to the funeral home. They might even convince some that it is a favor because survivors will not be hit with the bill.
The other option is to stop paying anymore -- write off the past...contributions and just dont make the future contributions to the same model.
Save for retirement through other means -- invest that into broad/sector etfs. Those who held on to the broad etfs have recovered back to pre-crisis levels.just not in us tsys? that is a waste of time while the printing press is plugged in.
German bonds, and other intl sov may be good. This should vehicle should disallow buying and selling or churning and absolutely no single stock positions. only basket securities in select sectors. Not even age based funds. they are churning a lot. you will end up with more than in any other scenario.
Charlie Fraser
6:08 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I would not underestimate a Romney\Ryan ticket. All that is changed is the scope of the election. Romney is running a 7 state race as opposed to all 50 states. All the moves that Romney is making is geared to win swing states. Wisconsin is now more in play as is Ohio. Depending on how the Romney campaign spins Ryan's budget plan which would gut Social Security and Medicare, Florida, NC, and Pennsylvania could also be in danger. This election is far from over folks.
6:50 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Romney wants to build at least 5 more ships then what the military requested
I guess the defense contractors are going heavy on Mittens. This Country
will always be #1 one in defense in the world. Sometimes you can spend the same amount as the previous year and still be funded properly
7:10 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Because he needs to win Virginia, and they build ships in Virginia.
His rationale was laughable, that we had fewer ships than we did in the 1940's. As if one modern day frigate couldn't defeat the entire Imperial Japanese Navy of that era.
PS - he'll get a 2-3 points bounce from Ryan in Wisconsin. That's not close to enough to swing it. And if he does pull ahead in WI, he won't need it because that means he'll have moved ahead in FL, OH, PA, VA.
Ryan's selection, I am starting to think, is because Romney sees vulnerability with Obama and Catholics (could swing PA). So maybe. But I'd remind him Hillary tried that too and it didn't work well enough to win the primary.
7:06 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
They would have to bull crap a few age groups in doing that.
Late 50's and higher their benefits would not change and the
younger group some money would go to cover the older group
and they could invest on their own and MAYBE get higher benefits
when they retire. How they con each group into voting for them
will be interesting. Vouchers will only get you in the front door of Doctors
offices at the end of the day.
7:12 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Just look at the NY-26 election. That was a referendum on the Ryan plan. Didn't go so well.
Olivier Francis
7:32 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
When it is important the outcome will be rigged. NY-26 was not a big deal.
Bob English
8:17 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Oliver: You have evidence that the election was "rigged"???? Did you or anyone else contact the FBI???? FYI, the losing candidate could have asked for a recount but since the margin of victory was so great, she did not.
JOHNNY Done it
11:18 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Oliver It was those ballots again ..The hanging chad on the ballots When you vote for Obama check out his long list of accomplishments listed on a roll of charmin..
Charlie Fraser
8:13 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I think either Obama is going to squeak by to a second term or Romney is going to take the electoral votes, but lose by 2-4 points on the popular vote further dividing the country.
Bob English
8:22 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Charlie...still a ways to go but right now I think Obama is doing a little bit better with the electorial vote that he is with the popular vote (which had been very close up until this weeks polls.) Interesting thing everyone forgets about the 2000 elction with the focus on Florida is that Gore beat Bush in the popular vote by over half a million votes.
Olivier Francis
9:05 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
That was do or die election in 2008 and so the Supreme Court decided who was going to pull the trigger. NY-26 -- who cares...I am surprised they even counted it.
Real Democracy will dawn on USA when more than one party can contest in a election and this electoral college nonsense is erased and all votes are counted in 24 hours. No one is riding a pony to get to the capital no more. We do not need the electoral college. It is not even uniform some states all or nothing and others proportional.
Bob you can contact Al to find out about rigging.
Fitty Cent, I need help brother it is all yours take it over.
BTW, Fitty Cent, I know you are not anywhere near Camden. Folks from Camden do not give a rat's rearend for Camden. You do way too much for Camden. You cannot be from Camden. That is just fine,my man. I also feel like I am from Mars, sometimes. I even saw remote controlled car roll by, yDAY. You know what I mean.
Olivier Francis
9:10 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
What do you want Slow motion planned rigging or last minute rigging?
What Tom Delay did is planned rigging? Dems also do it... All are party to that.Zoning it is called. Just redraw the district so that it falls into one camp.
You think that FBI does not know that?
JOHNNY Done it
11:22 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
I do agree with you there on the electoral vote ( laywers & probably lobbiests) get rid of it... The popular vote should be deciding..The electorial vote is not the peoples will...
Joe R
11:12 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
From Boston University professor Mitchell Zuckoff, who wrote a book titled Ponzi's Scheme: The True Story of a Financial Legend:
"It's hard to knock down such a persistent and seemingly elegant analogy. But since it creates a false impression of Social Security, and since I for one consider real Ponzi schemes too important and interesting to obfuscate, it's worth rebutting this myth.
First, in the case of Social Security, no one is being misled. Madoff allegedly falsely claimed to have discovered a "black box" method of earning impressive results, and by doing so enticed individuals and organizations to invest with him. Social Security is exactly what it claims to be: A mandatory transfer payment system under which current workers are taxed on their incomes to pay benefits, with no promises of huge returns."
I would add that this business of calling SS a Ponzi scheme is a zombie myth that refuses to die. This zombie myth has been around for a long time. A Ponzi scheme is actual intentional fraud that benefits the fraudster at the expense of others. This has nothing to do with SS, there is no Charles Ponzi in the SS administration walking away with millions of dollars. This Ponzi scheme slur is an outright lie that gullible people fall for or folks who are SS haters for whatever reason or God-forsaken ideology.
Olivier Francis
11:42 pm on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Joe R, respectfully sir, do you think any private investment management firm can get away with the manifesto and charter of SSA? Will you invest if I open a fund where I will pay you with the funds I receive from others ...? Only a govt can do this? Leaving that aside -- what the fiduciary duty of any money manager. All of social security receipts are used to pay current recipients and buy US treasuries for the rest. Money just rots and actually loses value due to inflation.So it fails the fiduciary test.Real performance -- let us not even go there. It is just insane. Any one with any brain should ditch social security and demand for alternate programs. Past is sunk cost. we cannot get it back. We cannot renege on the promises made to WWII generation. So we must demand an end date for the robbery to stop. While I do not care for the money I paid 30+ years, I like the gov to give me an option for the remaining few years. At least some percentage for me to invest on my own. Nope, I do not want to have a FL Vaccation on the backs of my kids or your kids. I am happy to count the leaves in my backyard. Please explain how do you set a Ponzi and SS apart? Govt emblem, openly stated then...I will vote for Obama and I will insist that he tackle this headon if he is blessed enough.
12:37 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Obama is a disgrace as President of the United States, the latest smear attacks full of outright lies shows the that this community organizer from Chicago will sink to any low to win. Four years have given this country 16 Trillion in Debt, unemployment over 8% for 47 months..oh yea that's right it was Pres. Bush's fault, the earthquake, the bank machines, sun sports never His and the Democrats fault they had full "Veto Proof" control of both the House & Senate from 2007 till 2010 and ran up more debt than all the previous Presidents combined, that's the real truth.
10:36 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
BPF- just one question. . .how many good paying private sector jobs were created under George Bush with all that trickle down reduced tax economics, during his eight years in office. . .and now you want to sell us more of it. . . It Doesn't Work!
12:47 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Oliver, maybe YOU don't care for the monies you paid for thirty plus years, but some of the rest of us might. As for taking it out on the backs of children this is a compact between generations. They will collect when their time comes. Do you seriously believe their 401k's or stock funds will be around assuming they have any? Since you brought the subject of leaves up, it is more likely living in Brick that you are counting bags - wet soggy ones .... and til Christmas!
7:56 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
@ Joe R - SS was not a ponzi scheme when it was first enacted, designed to pay those who payed into it. The "ponzi" begins when SS pays to those who did not pay into it. From what I researched, no other entitlements dip into the SS trust fund. So I do agree with your point about SS. You seem to keep bringing up, but you do not seem to want to process the other things in the big picture of government spending, such as welfare, medicare, Obamacare, SSI, "Green Energy", TARP, and other entitlements and government spending I did not mention.
@ Everyone: We can blame Bush, Obama, Congress, etc.. But I believe the blame lies with you, me and everyone else in America. Why? Because we keep voting for the same people over and over again.
I believe we have class warfare: The first class who say "I want" and do not care about the future generations and those who want taxes, entitlements and government spending fixed so we can all preserve what we worked so hard for to give to our families.
Let's not forget, each state has its own personality too. Do you think the people of CA look at government spending the same way as NJ? I personally do not know. But in CA many cities are either declaring bankrupcy or thinking about it. I think we are working on things here to prevent that, but it is causing all of us problems and anger.
Between Obama, Biden, Romney and Ryan, I believe only Ryan came up with a written plan to begin fixing things. Vote for the person, not the party.
7 out
8:04 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
For all you that think social security is going broke. All you need to do is raise the cap on ss taxes to 250k. It would be solvent until the boomer Gen dies. And yes it is all about me, why should Gen x keep paying and be told they won't have the same when it is their turn to get what they paid for. And debt isn't a bad thing,debt that no one thinks you can pay is bad. The dollar is the world's currency and there is nothing to replace it. Everyone has a vested interest it keeping it worth. If our economy collapsed,what would the 4trillion in China's banks be worth? Also no one can explain why if austerity works, how come it has been a disaster in Ireland, Britain, Spain,greece Italy and Portugal? Why has Sweden,dDenmark and Norway escaped the great recession?
Paul S
8:24 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
I'm not excited about any of these guys, but do people really think Obama is doing a great job? The guy I think is in trouble now in NJ is Chris Christie. If Corey Booker runs he's done. If Christie had just acted professional and been courteous and not been a jerk he would be the VP nomination...He better hope for an appointment to a cabinet position because I think he has a huge chance of not getting a second term. Say hi to your new Gov Corey Booker. Want to know more about him rent the documentary (Street Fight) I must say after seeing that I have a lot of respect for the man and it shows just how dirty and corrupt NJ politics can be.
Donna Griffin
3:32 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
And therein lies the problem, Paul....we would rather have a "nice" guy leading our state as opposed to a "competent" guy. Either way, I'm not sharing a beer with any of them on a Saturday night so give me someone/anyone who can get the job done. Christie may be rough around the edges, but he managed to wake up the average New Jerseyan to the inequity between the public sector employee's benefits packages and the private sector employee's benefits packages. Thank you for opening up some eyes, Mr. Governor. The dirty little secret is out, and I for one am grateful that someone had the onions to say what I've been thinking for years.
Joe R
8:44 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Paul Krugman on Paul Ryan:
"What I do know is that anyone who believes in Ryan's carefully cultivated image as a brave, honest policy wonk has been snookered. Mark Thoma reviews selected pieces I've written about Ryan; he is, in fact, a big fraud, who doesn't care at all about fiscal responsibility, and whose policy proposals are sloppy as well as dishonest. Of course, this means that he'll fit in to the Romney campaign just fine." [ ]
"In reality, Ryan is nothing like that; he's a hard-core conservative, with a voting record as far right as Michelle Bachman's, who has shown no competence at all on the numbers thing.
What Ryan is good at is exploiting the willful gullibility of the Beltway media, using a soft-focus style to play into their desire to have a conservative wonk they can say nice things about. And apparently the trick still works."
Joe R
8:48 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
More Krugamn on Ryan: Mr. Ryan has somehow acquired a reputation as a stern fiscal hawk despite offering budget proposals that, far from being focused on deficit reduction, are mainly about cutting taxes for the rich while slashing aid to the poor and unlucky. In fact, once you strip out Mr. Ryan's "magic asterisks"........what you're left with are plans that would increase, not reduce, federal debt.
The same can be said of Mitt Romney, who claims that he will balance the budget but whose actual proposals consist mainly of huge tax cuts (for corporations and the wealthy, of course) plus a promise not to cut defense spending.
Both Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney, then, are fake deficit hawks. And the evidence for their fakery isn't just their bad arithmetic; it's the fact that for all their alleged deep concern over budget gaps, that concern isn't sufficient to induce them to give up anything — anything at all — that they and their financial backers want. They're willing to snatch food from the mouths of babes (literally, via cuts in crucial nutritional aid programs), but that's a positive from their point of view — the social safety net, says Mr. Ryan, should not become "a hammock that lulls able-bodied people to lives of dependency and complacency." Maintaining low taxes on profits and capital gains, and indeed cutting those taxes further, are, however, sacrosanct. ...
9:34 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
It is truly sad that you seem to be intelligent yet you refuse to think for yourself. I did not have to quote an economist (liberal or conservative) to buttress my point. May I ask that you ponder some of my postings and address them? Could you tell me where I am wrong? I don't want to waste my time trying to persuade someone who will blindly quote an economist's point of view, as I could do that myself. Please think for yourself, and think of the continuing negative impact of running up our national debt. I would invite you to comment on that, not parrot someone else. I would like you to stick to objective data, as you did with SS.
Joe R
9:55 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Paul Ryan's budget proposal would cut $3.3 trillion from low-income programs over the next decade. The biggest cuts would be in Medicaid, which provides healthcare for the nation's poor -- forcing states to drop coverage for an estimated 14 million to 28 million low-income people, according to the non-partisan Center for Budget and Policy Priorities.
Ryan's plan would also reduce food stamps for poor families by 17 percent ($135 billion) over the decade, leading to a significant increase in hunger -- particularly among children. It would also reduce housing assistance, job training, and Pell grants for college tuition.
In all, 62 percent of the budget cuts proposed by Ryan would come from low-income programs.
The Ryan plan would also turn Medicare into vouchers whose value won't possibly keep up with rising health-care costs -- thereby shifting those costs on to seniors. In other words, it would kill Medicare. Ryan would provide a substantial tax cut to the very rich. We don't need any more trickle down voodoo right wing economics.
Joe R
10:06 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
I get that the GOP and especially right wing Ayn Randian tea bag ideologues like Ryan don't give a damn about the poor, elderly and disabled people. They mouth bumper sticker bromides like personal responsibility and limited government. It's really all about social Darwinism, cutting and gutting programs that help the poor so they can give more massive tax cuts to the rich and the big corporations who already suck up most of the wealth in this country. They love social Darwinism but they hate the actual science of evolution and embrace the pseudo-junk science of Creationism or Intelligent Design.
11:59 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
So you can't answer what I posed, plus you cannot tell me where I am wrong. It is a shame that for all your colorful prose you seem content to answer the problems with our national debt by trashing the GOP and citing an ideology, rather than a reality. But I guess I would have to be content that, at a minimum, you have exposed yourself to be a left-wing ideologue, and have no regard for the hurting, struggling taxpaying families like mine who are trying to make ends meet everyday despite the endless taxation and other regulatory barriers placed in front of us. Our elderly need to be looked after, but how much of that could be done by family? How about giving taxpayers who care for their elderly parents a break? I'm sure you would ridicule that as "pie in the sky", too. As far as tuition assistance goes, that's why students can get loans or work/study programs, scholarships, and family. Yes, this is a reality we with families must deal with everyday. I am for assisting the elderly and disabled. I am in favor of temporarily helping the poor and those who happen to fall on hard times. But to support people who are able-bodied but don't want to work? People who are here illegally? No thanks. I have family who could better benefit from my toils and would rather pass it on to them. Obviously, you do not share that view. But i guess you got yours, and that is all that matters to you. FYI - Darwin was not an economist or an accountant.
Math Teacher
10:28 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
The budget deficit is 1.3 trillion a year. The debt is growing to 25 trillion. Everyone says we need to cut but no one says where. Its time to stop the lies and cut the deficit and then the debt. It requires cuts. Who wants to go first?
Olivier Francis
10:40 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Cut Congress House Representative Headcount from 435 to 2
Cut senate headcount from 100 to 3+ 1 (VP)
Cut Military spending on all expansionary items -- no cut to the servicemen and their benefits
Phase out Govt Ponzi Scheme aka Social Security. Current contributors 25% to pay the earlier contributors, the other 75% self directed program. No social security benefits to those who did not pay into the system for atleast 20 years. never more than what they earned per month in wages.
Most important, balanced budget amendment to the constitution. Without this some moron will take office and do all sort magic and throw us all in the hole again.
Force Gov Ponzi to sell all its US Treasury holdings and invest in other asset classes. This would reduce debt servicing load on the govt as well.
No reduction in medicaid or medicare. Allowing sick person to suffer eventually will end up in more expense not less.
Cut US Congress Representative Pension by half.
Cut US Congress Senator pension by 75%.
reduce Bush family pension from US Gov to 100K per annum.
reduce Clinton family pension from US Gov to 100K.
Claw back past salaries from Dick, Scalia and others who auctioned the USA -- Citizens united-- Impeach them ALL.
Allow people to pay to reduce the debt instead of tax.
Allow people to forego ponzi scheme payments to reduce the debt.
This would be my platform. I am openly liberal and I am proud of it. That is what makes me a human being.
10:32 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
What a wonderful and refreshing interview on 60 minutes last evening of Romney and Ryan! Articulate leaders finally! We have not had effective leadership in the White House for 12 years now. The last four have been especially painful and remind me of the Carter years. I am now so positive that we can turn this country around by electing Romney and Ryan. I feel terrible for the fear and division that Obama will create in order to divide this country so he can stay in office. I believe that Romney and Ryan, since the are such effective leaders and communicators, they will be able to calm the seniors and those who are in need that nothing will be done to destroy their current safety nets. But we need to reform entitlements so future generations will have these important benefits. The majority of the tax burden will be born by the top earners and the middle class we see tax relief. Tax loopholes for special interests will be closed and thoughtful tax reform will be enacted. In summary a bipartisan moderate majority will be created by Mitt Romney and we will get Washington making proper legislation to move our economy forward . Thankfully the community organizer and campaigner in chief experiment will soon be over. I am an independent who voted for Obama and I regret that poor decision. I will not make that mistake again.
10:41 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
If you think Mitt is out to help the middle class and give them relief than that is the second time you will be fooled.
10:49 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
I am certain about the middle class tax relief. Romney knows that the only way to create jobs is that all Americans benefit so the economy will grow. Do not listen to the fear and smear Obama rhetoric. When he was at Bain he took companies public and by doing so he created jobs and wealth. What is not understood is as these companies went public the workers on the floor of these companies and is the warehouses received founders stock and awards. They went from living pay check to pay check to being in the 1% so to speak. He knows that how you treat and reward people is how you succeed. That same principle is the underpinning of tax policies and for that matter social policies. Sharing wealth creation is what we need to get this economy going, not government welfare and debt that will destroy our children's future and this wonderful country.
10:55 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
There was only on Great Repub. Communicator and he started out a Union Loving DEM. Maybe you did not notice Mittens insult the world tour a few weeks ago. They had to bring him back so he did not blow the election prior to their week in Tampa.
Do you think people that are worth billions like the Koch brothers or the owner of
Vegas casinos want to rid the system of Tax loopholes? Why have they alone given millions and millions? Go and rewatch the
Repub. debates and see what true TP's ,neocons an rebubs think of Romey
esp. since he was the first to bring in OBROMNEYCARE just ask his spokswoman
or look up what she said about health care last week. If you want 4 more Bush years
then vote for Mittens he has brought in a number of Bushes old pals to help
11:04 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Bain Capital has a mixed record when it comes to creating jobs. . .that was not their goal. . .their goal was to make money for their investors. . .how you moralize them is just hogwash. . .they were in business to make money. . .and even when he was running the Utah Olympics. .. he was still using his Bain connections back then to hawk business from those companies. He tried to secure a deal with Staples as a supplier?
11:06 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Now that was not very enlightening. Romney went to Israel and received standing ovations as our important ally was finally treated with respect that they had not been given by Obama. Romney began the process of healing the relationships with Israel and Poland caused by the damaging policies of Obama. Yes Reagan saw the light and left the democratic party as he evolved his views. Romney is not even close to Bush at any level. Bush and Obama were and are big spenders and deficit creators.
11:12 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
As Bain took companies public it was to reward stakeholders defines as those who invested $ and those (employees) who invested sweat. All benefited and Staples as you point out was a big winner as was Home Depot and on and on. Now you are correct to say some companies that Romney tried to turn around did not make its as they were to far gone to save due to many reasons such as global competition ie China, or government policies or whatever. Net net he was a job creator.
11:25 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Concerned- the bottom line. . .Mitt Romney was a capitalist...I have no qualms there. . .but to use his adventures in capitalism to rationalize and moralize being President . . .I draw the line! Would have preferred Jon Huntsman than him. . .but that's water under the bridge now. The man had more class than Romney ever will?
11:36 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Hunstman Chemicals is an interesting company o hold up as an example of success. We need the experience that Romney and Ryan have. Success in the private sector and success as a big legislative thinker whose bipartisan budget is being attacked by Obama. Well at least Ryan had the ideas and courage to put a proposal on the table for long term reform of entitlements. Ultimately all his ideas will be melded with Romney's vision and the the legislative compromises will be necessary to pass reforms, but these two leaders can get it done. Moderate Bipartisan Majority for America!
10:38 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Romney never had a bank account in the USA until he decided to run...Hiding all his money off shore. The only thing Romney and Ryan is two rich snubs who was born with a silver spoon in their mouth. There is no doubt, they are for the rich and want to see more class of people move right into the poor class. If we continue to give more cuts to the "Rich" it will hurt this economy big time.
10:56 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
That is Obama fear and smear rhetoric. Do not fall for it. Romney gave away his inheritance that he received form his Father to Charity. His wealth was created by his hard work. He became wealthy as did so many more people through his leadership. He paid taxes as required by law as he made his money. His monies are now in a blind trust and the trust on his behalf is paying taxes as required for investment income. That money is spread properly to reduce risk, which is a common sense approach to maintaining ones savings.
11:00 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
And stashed away in Swiss bank and offshore account.
the true american way right
Olivier Francis
10:51 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Do you recall Swift Boat Lies.What goes around comes around. Dont worry lot of billionaires and oil companies are waiting to blast our air waves -- thanks to Citizens United.
Math Teacher
11:02 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
The government takes in 2.5 billion and spends 3.8 billion. That doesn't work. What is the answer?
JOHNNY Done it
12:57 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Imagine on a smaller scheme doing that to your check book,,,You would be bankrupt..They cant do basic math in Washington..
Math Teacher
11:11 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
How does a 1.3 trillion deficit to pay for daily expenses create jobs?
11:13 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
How about getting rid of all the Extra Educators that are not needed.
Olivier Francis
10:48 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Gov made a lot of money in the deal and on Citi and will make a lot more on AIG. On GM since they pay tax Obama the brilliant also laid the foundation for steady stream of tax revenue. But then you have to do the math right. Liberal voting for Obama. Not swayed by hypocritical rant from the Ryan and his surrogate Mitt.
Crazy World
12:36 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
How much more would taxpayers lose if the auto companies were allowed to go bankrupt! Millions of autoworkers, auto parts suppliers and interconnected industries would have thrown the millions of workers on the unemployment lines. Retirees in these industries would have lost their pensions which would have been picked up at 65% by the federal government. Now do you see the can of worms you opened up! By letting the U.S. auto industry fail, the cost of the bailout loans would have been 10 times greater. Besides, it was George Bush who first agreed to bailout money for the auto industries. So this wasn't a democrat/republican solution. It was an American solution for an American problem.
Donna Griffin
3:39 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Crazy----If I'm not mistaken, a very healthy chunk of the bailout went toward paying pension recipients of the auto industry rather than revitalizing the actual companies. We have a problem here when a president & Congress can pick winners and losers. Ford didn't need the bailout and they've managed to weather the storm. GM should have filed for bankruptcy protection just like any other company finding itself in trouble does. There are lots of hairdressers and restaurants falling on hard times. Are you prepared to spend your tax dollars bailing them out as well or are union-based corporations the only ones worthy of salvaging? Hmmmm....I wonder why the President would select one over the other?
5:04 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Donna: old GM went bankrupt. . .ask anybody who owned their stock.
Donna Griffin
9:01 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Spooner - All the more reason to let nature take its course.
Math Teacher
11:34 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Mr. Spooner what experiences does obama use to rationalize his being president? How about we debate the deficit?
12:46 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
MT- you want to debate the deficit. . .we might as well drink the kool-aid now. . .what's that expression. . .we are our own worst enemies. I could tell you unequivocally: that who ever gets in. . .next year the deficit will be debated. . . and remember Obama is a policy wonk too. He did go out on a limb with Medicare when he tried proposing the $4Trillion deficit reduction with Boehner?
Eric Sauder
11:43 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Lots ot people talking on this post but probably few listening. But let me give my take on it anyway (not that anyone is likely to read it). What we have to choose from isn't Romney or Obama but two disparate approaches to solving our economic woes and stimulating job growth. One apparoach is to put more money in tha hands of the super rich which Republicans argue will stimulate the economy thru expansion. That it is the super rich that are the "job creators". The other approach is to put more money in the hands of the middle class (the consumers). Consumer spending creates demand for goods and services that will stimulate economic expansion and job growth. Supply side / demand side. Which do you think will be more effective at stimulating the economy?
We've tried "trickle down" economics. I can't see where anything trickled down to me. I think we need to try demand side. It is consumer spending that will spur this economy. Give the middle class a tax break and they'll buy a car. Give the super wealthy a tax break and they'll invest in the stock of some off shore company. Lest I seem biased towards the Democrats we cannot continue with deficit spending. We have to seriously consider a BALANCED BUDGET AMENDMENT. I heard yesterday that even if we stopped spending money for entitlements we'd still be running a defecit.
We need to DEMAND fiscal responsibility from our representatives. Partisan politics will be the death of us.
12:37 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
If I understand your post - You are saying we need to give the middle-class a tax break. If so, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I also agree with the Balanced Budget Amendment. Your last comment is the best, in my opinion. Vote for the person, not the party. Good job.
12:50 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
we need both. stop the trickle down nonsense. Obama has been giving $$ to people to stimulate the economy and its failed. We need middle class tax relief and close tax loop holes that both parties have given to lobbyists. Obama is no capable of this as it requires leadership. Romney can and will get it done.
11:44 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
The Ryan selection only appeals to voters who Romney had in the bag. The few others who know about him do not like what they know about his budget and how it reflects his overall policy preferences. The percentages will likely hold with the balance of voters - the ones who will learn about him and form oppinions on him over the next months. If this is correct, and it seems at least plausible, then the selection of Ryan is a net loss for Romney. I suppose the Romney campaign knows all of this and so must have a plan to stop it from happening. So far, based on comments made on the weekend talk shows and in op eds over the weekend, it looks like a big part of that plan is for Romney to distance himself from the plan and for Ryan to redefine it, mainly making it even more vague and less offensive. To me the problem with that approach is that they will lose the support of the base. So what's the deal? I know the base will not vote for Obama, but they may decide not to vote at all. If this thinking is anywhere near accurate than perhaps the Romney campaign figures it will addd more voters by basically burying the Ryan budget than they will lose by doing that. I would not bet on that strategy succeeding. I think the choice doomed the Romney campaign, which was already headed over a clif.
Math Teacher
11:44 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Social security doesn't even pay you back what you put in.
Math Teacher
11:49 am on Monday, August 13, 2012
Eric well stated. 70 percent of GDP is consumer driven. We need jobs to help the consumer. Obama has not delivered and with the deficit growing he will be hard pressed to do so. The answer is to cut the deficit and show fiscal responsibility. What cuts are we all willing to accept?
Eric Sauder
12:14 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
You know Teach I'm not that up on national politics, the budget, and appropriations and I can't recommend specifics. I think that's for our representatives to decide. My point is simply that they need to DO IT. We can't keep going like this. Everyone seems to agree that to have the sequester take effect will be a disaster for this country but no one is doing anything about it. Having watched the debate on the sequester on CSPAN there was ONE congressman that made specific recommendations for consideration ... extending the age of eligibility for Medicare and Social Security. He'll probably lose his seat in the upcoming elections. But at least he TRIED to address the problem. As soon as he was finished speaking the "debate" went back to partisan politics and finger pointing across the aisle.
I have a hunch you have some ideas in that regard, so as they say on the "hill" I'll yield the rest of my time to the Math Teacher.
Math Teacher
12:01 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Bob stay focused. We need to fix the deficit and since you brought it up dependency on oil. What are the options instead of writing a scare tactic post? We cannot drill and complain about oil. Is that ok? Now what about the 1.3 trillion deficit and 16 trillion debt. Got any suggestions or should we kick the can and hope for the best?
Math Teacher
12:11 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Really Laura as if obama and Biden are "smart". I know its easy to name call and ignore the real problems. For example Obama promised he would cut the debt. How did that work out for ya? So immature when we have real problems to discuss. Add something to the debate about jobs or the debt
Math Teacher
12:23 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Eric I think it will require across the board cuts. Where we agree is it is time to stop the games and the lies and work together to do it or we all lose. The problem is power and corruption. Term limits and no perks for elected officials would eliminate the lobbying. We need action not fighting. The basic problem is simple. We spend more than we can ever take it. To balance the budget requires cuts. Let's get started
Eric Sauder
12:30 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Well that's probably what we're going to get unless we can find a cure for the dysfunction of our government. I do agree with the Dems about not reinstating the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest. I've known a few and they're all about increasing their own net worth. That's how they got to be so filthy rich in the first place. And I think we need to curtail some of our foreign spending and start reinvesting some of that money in our own infasturcture and economy.
Nice talking to ya.
Math Teacher
12:28 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Bob what cuts were they? Can you provide the details? If they are so critical why are you raising this point instead of our elected officials from NJ? For certain Lautenberg or Menendez can introduce these cuts and we can watch the vote. Also after the first 300 billion where do we cut the other 1 trillion in annual deficits from? Look forward to the details.
Rufus O'Callahan
12:37 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I really don't feel good about this ticket. Unlike McCain-Palin (which I wasn't crazy about, either), there is no balance. Both Mittens Romney & Paul Ryan are left-of-center establishment Republicans who love going to war, spending money on frivolous things, and tacking on debt like there's no tomorrow. I also have serious problems with the stances of Mittens on issues like health care, gun control, taxation, global warming, and more. I wasn't going to vote for him regardless of who he picked, but he could have done a better job trying to court conservative and libertarian voters who are not thrilled with him. I also should point out that it's pretty presumptious of him to select a running mate even though he has yet to be officially declared his party's nominee. But I guess that's to be expected from a spoiled little trust fund baby like Mittens.
12:46 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
You need to read more to become better informed. Both Romney and Ryan have a track record of created bi patartisan compromises. Romney did as Gov of Mass and Ryan has done it in the Congress. Neither one are war mongering but thye will have a strong foreign policy and military as the threats from Iran etc are real. We cannot survive as a society when we spend a trillion more each year than we collect. Our children's future is at stake. Finally Romney does not have a trust fund and gave away 100% of his inheritance that he received from his Dad. He is a self made person.
Rufus O'Callahan
1:05 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Romney is not self made. He enjoyed an upper class upbringing which included private school and Harvard University. I also don't know how either he or Ryan can be taken seriously as budget cutters when the former was by his own admission a progressive Governor and the latter has supported every bailout and debt ceiling increase that has come up the pike. This is a ticket with absolutely no credibility, that only offers empty rhetoric when we needed substance. The GOP could have done much better than this. WIth candidates this weak, they are snatching defeat from the jaws of victory like they do all too often.
Donna Griffin
3:55 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Seriously, Rufus? Are you upset that Romney has an education and was raised in an upper middle class family? Dear God....he also ran venture capital companies! OH the humanity!!! Perhaps we should entrust the running of our nation to a junior college drop out who has no business experience but came from the poor side of the tracks in order to suit some disturbed mindset of political worthiness. Better still, how about a multi-racial candidate who served less than one term as Senator, whose claim to fame is as a community organizer with questionable associates and who never held a private sector job (outside of community organizing)? Is occupational success any longer a virtue or is the fact that someone has wealth only perceived at the expense of someone else not having it? My parents are immigrants and I was always taught that in this great nation, we create our own good fortune through hard work....and never with outstretched hands.
4:46 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Donna, I agree. I wonder if Rufus needed an operation he would think the same way. Just get anybody off the street on the poor side of the tracks to operate on him, just because. Wouldn't you want someone with the best education, who went through medical school operating on you. I know, I would! Rofus, Yes, some people have a better life, they were born into money, which makes things easier. It is what it is, you are dealt the cards that are given...It is up to you to change things you don't like... Yes, some are just naturally lucky, others plan out their life and make sacrifices. Yes, some individuals had it easier because who they were born into. In the end, it is up to you to make things happen for you. Change yourself, others have. There is some that had it hard from the day they were born and risen up past all those that are stilling complaining how hard they had it.
Math Teacher
12:44 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Oldsoldier - Extend the tax cuts or cut them further? I agree with a balanced budget amendment. Why don't our partys hear us on this? We should demand it be front and center along with term limits.
4:34 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
For right now, extend. Later cut them further, along with cuts to entitlements. I beleive our representatives do not hear this because the working class part of "we the people" do not contact our elected representatives to tell them how we feel, and hold them accountable with our vote. I do not beleive term limits is the answer. A politician will listen to his/her constituents, especially when they vote. It appears to me that the biggest voice right now are those getting entitlements, and perhaps many of them have been duped into thinking if they don't vote for a particular party, then their check will go away. As far as the term limits, again, the term limit is them not being voted back into office if they do not do the right thing by the majority of the voters. Working people must become the majority of the voters again as it was decades ago, in my opinion.
John Galt
12:44 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Obama's ideas are so good they have to be Mandatory, Can't wait to hear Paul Ryan Debate Obama & Biden
Olivier Francis
9:22 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
There is no need to wait. Paul claimed, he proposed his tax cuts for his Koch buddies funded by the cuts in entitlement programs (read on the backs of seniors), because the President also proposed those cuts.
what else do we know. Now we know why he is the pick. I cannot wait to see synchronized Romney-Ryan Flips.
This is the same guy that signed off on an unfunded war without any plan or exit strategy, prescription drug pandering to the seniors, and 2 Trillion Tax cut for the Koch brothers.
Obama the one with a great vision. Middle Income Savior. I am enjoying my 2% cut in Ponzi Scheme tax. Are you? That is Brilliant. He just undid the gippers nasty trick delaying the eligibility year -- The one.
Rufus O'Callahan
12:54 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
You could vote for a community organizer or a spoiled rotten person who got everywhere in life because of his parents and was a failure as Governor, with approval numbers in the low 30s and who turned his seat over to the other party after 16 years of his party controlling it. Or you could vote for a successful self-made businessman who served two terms as Governor, left office highly popular among voters across the spectrum, and actually has a plan to reduce the debt and guide this country toward economic prosperity. His name is Gary Johnson. If you want to learn about a vastly superior candidate for an office as important as this one, I highly suggest you look him up.
Donna Griffin
9:07 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
I think I saw him in Wawa yesterday. Sorry for the sassy comment, but really?!?! This nation can barely distinguish between two well funded candidates. Researching a third party candidate, let alone voting for him? Not going to happen. Americans are not politically astute. They know Democrats - good; Republicans - bad (or the opposite). It's hot or cold water. Tepid just is a concept beyond the American intellect. Unfortunate, but true.
Math Teacher
12:56 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Spooner I will agree the deficit will be there for either candidate. The question is what will we and they really do to deal with it? We cannot go on like this. I'm looking for real debate and ideas without the hatred of the sad 2 party system. what cuts will we support? What 4 billion in cuts. Please provide the details
Math Teacher
2:20 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Gee the NYTimes. How much was plagiarized. I read it. Where are 4 trillion in cuts? Where does it say that over same 10 years the debt will grow by 15 trillion meaning an INCREASE of debt not a reduction. Slowing the debt curve down is not the same as balancing the budget. That aside it was a start and one obama and reid have never revisited. They owe it to us instead of playing the blame game. It should be voted on today in the senate. What are you doing to make this happen? I will call Menendez and Lautenberg. Will you?
8:58 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Math Teacher
Doesn't matter. Republicans will filibuster every good bill in the Senate just to try and make Obama look bad . This borders on treason to the American people.
9:58 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
MT- your having delusions if you think your going to erase $16T deficit anytime soon. . .but listen you carry on. . .
Joe R
5:36 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Raise the top marginal tax rate to what it was during the Ike administration, 91%. No more super rich freeloaders. Strengthen Social Security and Medicare, these are programs that actually help people and Americans pay into these programs all their working lives, they are not gifts. Where were all the deficit hawks during the 8 years of Bush, oh yeah, they were cheering Bush on. As for Ayn Rand and libertarians, just tin foil hatted garbage cults. If we lived in a sane rational society, these clowns (Randians & libertarians) would be laughed off the stage. Where has there ever been a libertarian or Ayn Rand utopia? Don't mention Singapore, since that's an authoritarian nightmare. Libertarianism is great for the billionaires and millionaires like Steve Forbes but toxic for ordinary Americans, it's a freaky cult.
1:00 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Joe R.....
Just to add to your thoughts
Ayn Rand, who seems to be Paul Ryan's hero, praised William Hickman who was a sociopathic child killer.
For one who embraced the me me me ideology, she ended up USING medicare and social security in the last part of her life.
Paul Ryan REQUIRES his staff and interns to read her warped material.
This is what the current Republicans are all about. It is up to sane voters to educate people with the facts, before we end up with these monsters who don't care about other people around them. Ryan and his type are dangerous to the rest of us.
Math Teacher
5:45 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Good one. This will reduce the annual deficit to 1 trillion and then you will spend the new found money. Our path is the same tax spend debt. Bush killed us too. Where were you oh that's right the debt is unpatriotic until your guy triples it. Good answers we are broke because you can't do math.
8:01 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
8:01 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
7:48 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I will never vote for the tea party RyanAND rOMNEY THE FACE OF THE TEA PARTY REPUBLICANS. i AM A SENIORS A RETIRED registered Nurse I have private health IN. and my primary IN.co. automatically drop me and become my secondary IN. CO. when I turn sisty- five. I have work all my adult life and now Iam retire and I do not want ryan and romney tea party rich old and young cheating me out of it. Ryan scare me he has no heart never mine grad mother i work for this i play by all the rules and ryan he is a punk for the tea party Iwill nevr vote for him he does not care about retiree.I do not think he cares about poor people either every body was not born with a silver spoon in their mouth.
9:47 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
I'm done with this thread...Either you want change for the good of the country, or you want whatever you can get from others for another 4 years and do not care about anyone else. There's your class warfare, not the rich versus everyone else. Remember - Vote for the person not the party.
Math Teacher
10:06 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Spooner you are right. Let's go with your easy way out. We will continue the trillion dollar annual deficits on the way to a debt of 25 trillion. More spending on borrowed money from china. Yep that's a great plan. thanks for bankrupting our children.
Math Teacher
10:21 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Giving up would be reelecting obama. I would rather we told the people the truth like social security benefits are less than what is paid in now and that we cannot spend 900 billion on interest costs according to obamas budget and we cannot have medicare double in 8 years and do all of this and not be broke. Cut cut cut.
Math Teacher
10:27 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Simpletruth its like when your kid does something wrong as says not me. Blame someone else. Easier than being accountable. Its bush's fault that obama has no budget too. Harry reid says not me. As bad as our senators are reid is worse. Does anyone know if Lautenberg is even alive? Weekend at Franks?
Math Teacher
10:44 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
If the choice is tea party or flea party I take my tea with a splash of lemon and let you fleas latch on to the obama dog. Remember the debt is unpatriotic said barry. Let us know when the Dem leaders voted no to the spending and debt.
11:10 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Oh MT-like I said here: that Obama/Boehner deal was KO by Paul Ryan advising Eric Cantor...
Mr. Ryan's enormous influence was apparent last summer when Representative Eric Cantor, the second most powerful House Republican, told Mr. Obama during negotiations over an attempted bipartisan "grand bargain" that Mr. Ryan disliked its policy and was concerned that a deal would pave the way for Mr. Obama's easy re-election, according to a Democrat and a Republican who were briefed on the conversation. PS: I know the Times and I guess HP doesn't comport with your views. . .well your welcome to cite other sources like the WSJ, etc.
Math Teacher
11:24 pm on Monday, August 13, 2012
Spooner did you miss math class. 1.3 trillion annual debt x 10 plus 16 trillion debt equals 29 trillion debt. Cutting 4 trillion does nothing. Why is harry reid not putting this to a vote right now I mean obamas budget failed in the senate 99 to 0 right. What do you want to do about the other 25 trillion. Oh yeah don't lose sight of 41 months of high unemployment. What an awesome record. Just awesome. A dog with fleas
Jack Murray
4:52 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Paul Ryan is completely disingenuous.
This country has a a trillion dollar deficit because of...wait for it...George W. Bush's tax cuts and TWO WARS where he flushed the national treasury down the toilet in the Middle East. Let's throw in the budget busting Medicare drug benefit, the most generous expansion of the welfare state in generations. Paul Ryan's position on each of these? HE VOTED IN FAVOR! Awww, poor guy, he was jes' bein' a team player. But he swears he didn't like doing it.
"I'm a ideaz guy, Ima budgit guy" sez Ryan. Too bad all of his ideas about the budget are bad ones.
Ryan is also a staunch supporter of the gravy train to Israel. Did you know Israel cut their own defense budget this year because they couldn't afford? Romney and Ryan want to vastly expand ours, as well as aid to Israel, their apartheid policies be damned.
No word yet on whether he will support a new war budget, but you can take it to the bank that if Romney gets elected, we are headed back into a third war. Next stop: Iran. Bibi insists.
In the end Ryan's flip flopping on the budget and Ayn Rand is a perfect match for Mitt Romney's flip flopping on, well, EVERYTHING. But Romney is only aspires to the job of President to use it as training for when he gets to run his own planet, Tarsus 5, in the Delta Quadrant...
9:02 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I don't care if you like Romney and Ryan or not, simple fact is, if Obama wins again, in 3 years, this Country won't be speaking English anymore, nor will it be Christian. Women will be wearing Burkas, have no rights, and be stoned to death if they talk to another man. Shariah Law will be in place of our Bill of Rights and Constitution, and the Koran will replace the Bible. Vote for Romney and Ryan…….. or else!
5:24 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Fitz, your wisdom is beyond reproach. Can you answer a question for me: Is Biden still alive?
4:03 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Math Teacher
9:03 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Funny how Democrats are all knowing yet we still have high unemployment, high debt our great cities like Camden and Detroit are third world countries because of Democratic policies. Wisconsin voters both R and D were smart enough to elect Gov Walker because he solves problems. Obama is the problem. Not the solution. 25 trillion in debt. No jobs. That's the record
10:50 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
'Fuzzy' Math Teacher.....
Unemployment is still too high but facts are facts. 29 straight months of job growth despite the fact that Republican senators have a RECORD number filibusters on EVERY jobs bill presented. This is after that imbecile George W. threw us off that trickle down cliff.
You mention Camden,and Detroit because they are inner city and usually democratic. You left out rural Misssissippi, Alabama,and the other hillbilly cuckoo's nests. What happened there?
Wisconsin voters were against the IDEA of a recall, but they did change the state senate to favor the democrats. This is after out of state political donations were received by the likes of the Koch Bros 8 to 1. Scott Walker by the way is LOSING jobs in his state big time.
Maybe you would be satisfied if PRESIDENT OBAMA took items off the budget and hid them the way Bush did i.e. 2 wars,unfunded prescription plan,unfunded tax cut that favored the wealthy. That's the REAL record. You should teach math at Fox reality TV.
4:34 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
What has our Gov. C.C. done for Camden we know what he has done for the
TPers and neocons new pals (casino owners) .
Donna Griffin
5:01 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Gene - I pride myself on being a reasonable person, but when someone tells me that we have had 29 straight months of job "growth," logic would tell me that we would have at least as many months of declining unemployment figures. Where I find the numbers even more startling is when we take into account those folks who are under employed or who have simply stopped working altogether the true unemployment figure is in the neighborhood of 15%.
Math Teacher
10:02 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
25 billion loss to save jobs for union workers while 400,000 new workers lost their jobs each monh since then incl 361,000 new unemployed last week. Obama picks his winners the unions and does nothing for private sector. That's right the private sector is doing just fine he said. Unemployment above 8 percent for 41 straight months. A record. Maybe he can get an olympics gold for unemployment. Cue the music. Obama is a gold medal winner. He can put it next to his peace prize which he keeps next to the drone aresenal.
11:23 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
I just love your duplicities: complain about deficit spending ...while we need more tax cuts. . .then it's 400,000 losing jobs every month. . .oh but just make sure you keep cutting public employment too. Hey when are you going to stitch together all this into a cohesive whole. . .and realize you can't have it both ways? And where's all those good private sector jobs that were exported overseas to promote other countries employment and garner more profits for corporations who tax shelter that money overseas away from Treasury coffers...some more of that non-contribution you complain about causing deficit spending...Heh! . . .I know...too much math education for you to absorb here? But carry on with "fantasy works"
Bob English
12:39 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
When Obama became Presidnet, the economy was losing 800,000 jobs per month. Still a long way to go to make up the 8 million jobs lost during the Bush Recession/Depression but the fact is that there have been 29 straight months of jobs growth under Obama.
4:11 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Hey Job Creators you still have the Bush tax breaks where are the jobs????????????????????
7:44 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Unfortunately we have been losing decent paying union jobs ever since 'bedtime for Bozo' Reagan started the demise of the working middle class by firing the air traffic controllers.
Donna Griffin
9:10 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
I think the media is referring to it as the "new normal."
7 out
11:09 am on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Ryan wants to ban all abortion and ivf. That is why you vote party and not individuals
7 out
3:38 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Well looks like austerity is good for population control. Break out the razor blades and nooses.
4:06 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Fitz put down the remote control you have been Hannitized
6:30 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Why are people claiming that 22 straight months of job growth is a good thing? First of all, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, its 22 months not 29 as people on this thread is claiming so their facts are off. Second, looking back to 1939, job growth in a month occurred 75% of the time so there is nothing outstanding about having job growth in a month. In fact, during the Obama presidency, there has been job growth in only 60% of the months so we are well below the 75% average.
People can confirm this data by looking at the following link which shows the job growth by month back till 1939.
11:40 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
I think you've got the rhetoric wrong...the administration stated that employment has increased the past 29 months...as for comparing the Great Depression. . .that requires a lot more data than your telling us, which I'm not going to research to counter your point.
11:58 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
You all are talking statistics while it is fairly well documented that today hard core unemployment is in the mid teens, somewhere between 12 to 15 %. The pain and suffering is real and we need a change in leadership in the White House. For goodness sake Obama is the first President in my memory who could not pass a budget his entire term even when the democrats controlled the congress! He cannot make decisions and leaves the country in such uncertainty that no one is hiring and the morass and pain drags on and on. Thank goodness Panetta and Hillary were in the room when they decided to kill Osama or he would still be alive! He is not a Leader!!
12:56 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Spooner - The point made by the administration referred in your link is that there has been 29 months of private sector job growth, which is a bit different than than link I sent. I was linking the total job growth given by the Bureau of Labor Statistics which has job losses in the summer of 2010. I would suspect that would have something to do with temporary census work, but I wouldn't know for sure without more research. My original point was that 22 months (or 29) of job growth isn't anything all that spectacular. Its quite ordinary given population growth and 2008 and 2009 was the exception.
7:24 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Checked out the graph. The biggest thing I see is the nosedive trajectory that Bush , Reagonomics, and the whole greedy corporate Wall Street fiasco put us on . Thank heavens that someone stopped the bleeding. More work to do!
Obama-Biden 2012
10:44 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
You do not understand how our economy tanked. It was both parties. Reagan cut taxes but Tip O'Neill broke his promise to Reagan to cut spending. So Reagan had to raise taxes at least three times. Reagan did cut taxes on a net basis but it was needed to get the economy going after the disaster of the Carter presidency. But the real issues began with the deregulation of the banking industry by Clinton. Also to make things worse the Barney Frank "Housing Affordability Act" which was signed by Clinton which forced the nbanks to lower their credit requirements for people to buy homes. Well intended but bad policy. These low credit mortgages were bundled into credit default swaps by Wall Street and these instruments were sold all over the globe. Then AIG insured them all from default. Well housing prices dipped and defaults rose, then consumer confidence drove us into recession and the banks lost enormous liquidity and we had to have a bailout to avoid a depression the like we had never experienced. So Clinton did not regulate the banks and these new derivatives, NOR did Bush. Bush should have forced the FDIC to raise the banks lending policies and he did not. The SEC under Clinton and Bush failed to regulate as well. So this is a short summary of a very complex set of facts that drove us to where we are today. Please read the true facts of what happened so you can make informed decisions and do not listen to the pundits of either party who spin the facts to win an election.
Donna Griffin
9:14 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Concerned - You are a rock star! In one short paragraph, you provided a history lesson and it is much appreciated. Bless you!
10:17 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Thank you for the kind words. I hope folks do not dismiss the facts, as so many just listen to the scripted pundits without any context of what really occurred. Bless you too.
10:17 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Gene - Did you look at the graph going back beyond 10 year? By far, the biggest month of job growth going back to 1939 was Sept 1983 with 1.1M jobs created in the month. Now that's a recovery.
11:48 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
...again: your not giving us all the data...for instances. . .if you use jobs grow per capita of employable persons adjusting for woman not being in the workforce. . .you would come up with different figures? What was the population in 1939...are you counting farm employment then compared to 1983. . .there's more to this than one liners?
3:08 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
...your not responding WTB. . .you forgot to mention that small item called the 1937-38 recession inside the Great Depression. You just can't cherry pick data to support your points of view and conclusions without being more objective to the overall history surrounding the event?
Donna Griffin
9:19 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Spooner - Just one question - Are you satisfied with the state of the economy since President Obama took office and do you believe his actions in that regard merit a second term? Don't want to hear that "it" was Bush's fault or Abraham Lincoln's for that matter. A one word response would suffice.
9:30 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Spooner - How am I cherry picking data? The BLS data only goes back to 1939 so I couldn't compare to to 1937-38 although I'd like to go back further and see the data for all of the 30s. I'm looking at 73 years of data and of those years, 75% of the months showed job growth for the month so the 22 straight months of job growth in not extraordinary. Also looking at the data for those 73 years, Sept 1983 stands out as the biggest month of job growth with 1.1M jobs created in the month. If you think I'm not giving all the data, go look for yourself. Its free and open data provided by the BLS. Analyize it yourself and show me what I'm missing.
10:56 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
WYB- that's just the point...the data starts in 1939. It doesn't show the increase in unemployment due to the dip in the economy from 1937-38 recession. Unemployment increased from roughly 15% to 17%. Also you have to keep in mind the war in Europe and the Presidential election in 1940. You have to delve into the behind the scenes goings on that produce the statistics you quote...
...as for 1983. . .we were coming out of a big recession where inflation was out of control, short interest rates in double digits. You had the second oil price height in 79, with President Carter making economic mistakes in my opinion.
12:24 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Spooner - I think you're just missing the original point. I'm not talking about unemployment rates, but rather job growth numbers. People on this thread were cheering 29 months of job growth so I went to http://www.barackobama.com/jobsrecord/ which shows the same basic graph you sent in your link. That graph is sourced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics so I went to the original source. Looking back at all of the data, 75% of the months showed month over month job growth so the Obama campaign's claim that this is some great feat doesn't hold water to me. In my opinion, the camaign are the ones cherry picking data. If I analyze a bit more based on your point that we don't know what was happening during the Depression era, my point still holds. Assuming that for all of the 30's there were 0 months of job growth, which we know is not true, from 1930 until today, 69% of the months showed job growth. My point for the 1.1M jobs in Sept 1983 counters the campaign's second point on jobs about creatign 4.5M jobs in 29 months. When you put their numbers in perspective of history, they are not great and in fact quite unimpressive compared to past recoveries.
12:47 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
WTB: first...wouldn't be cheering about losing 8.8M jobs since recession began and what is the current job growth number over 4M jobs created...second: you need to look at the find print surrounding why those jobs grew at a higher rate in one month; be it 1939 or 1983. Third: I agree with you that Obama's jobs growth is nothing to brag about...and you do have to factor in the stimulus money and the census employment. The fact is we have been shedding jobs in this country for a long time. At one time our civilian labor force participation rate was around 67-68%. . .now it's under 64%. . .
1:02 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Feel free to analyze the data yourself, its a great resource. The site lets you download the data in Excel so you can do your own analysis. You can gleam so great insight by digging into the data like the reduction is unemployment rate in the 60's after the JFK tax cuts.
Myself comparing Sept 1983 to July 2012 shows there were 1.1M jobs created in a month 1983, but last month there were only 163K jobs created. There isn't that much of a population difference in the 30 years to influence a 6X difference that much.
Joe R
1:23 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
The top marginal tax rate under JFK was 71%. Good, let's restore the top marginal tax rate of 71%. JFK was for a national health care system but at least we got Medicare, Medicaid, the war on poverty and historic civil rights legislation under LBJ. But tragically, LBJ's achievements were overshadowed by the horrific Vietnam war which he lied us into and which should have never happened.
1:51 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Joe - It was actually 91% under JFK and it was dropped to 77%. You can't compare just marginal rates over time given the number of deductions people make vary over time. You would need to look at the effective rate which I can't find before 1979. The point is if you analyze the BLS numbers, you can see trends that tax cuts lead to reduction in unemployment.
2:29 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Yes and JFK not only reduced individual income tax rates but also enacted the Investment Tax Credit for corporations which was a landmark tax legislation. It provided a dollar for dollar tax credit against a corporations tax bill. It created jobs.
3:00 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Joe R,
Yes LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act which was passed by both houses of Congress. In fact, it was passed by the Republicans in the Congress and they overcame a Democratic Party fillibuster (sp).
The vote was as follows: The House of Representatives passed the bill by 289 to 124, a vote in which 80% of Republicans and 63% of Democrats
voted "yes".
The Senate vote was 73 to 27, with 21 Democrats and only 6 Republicans voting "no".
LBJ showed tremendous leadership and the Republicans worked with LBJ to get it passed.
Joe R
3:12 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Great, raise the top marginal tax rate to 77% and JFK closed a lot of loop holes. Oh, so sorry, the top 1% must not be inconvenienced in any way, they are the job creators, we must bow down to them, genuflect and lower their tax rate to about 10%, better yet, 0%.
Donna Griffin
9:26 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Or the business owners should just close their doors, take their savings and live happily ever after letting the middle class and worker bees fend for themselves. Or I would suspect, Joe R would propose legislation not allowing a business owner to close down. I think your ideologies are better suited about 90 miles south of Key West. Last time I checked we are still (barely) a free market economy.
7:38 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
You can't even work with a congress who's only pledge is to Grover Norquist rather than the American worker. The Repliconartist Senate has filibustered EVERY jobs bill and the tea baggers won't even bring up a jobs bill in the House if it makes Obama look good. This boarders on treason to the working class.
9:51 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Try Grill Creations in Garwood for great food and service! (I didn't see where else I could post this on CranfordPatch.)
That said, can anyone understand how Joe R thinks the government can ethically seize a majority of one group of citizens' earnings while another group is not even required to pull their own weight?
7:11 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Bringing tax rates back to the Clinton era,where we had a surplus, is HARDLY seizing a majority of one group of citizens' earnings. Fact: The lower 60% of earners only own 2% of the wealth via the continuation of trickle down(laugh)economics.
7:55 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Equal opportunity will never yield equal outcomes, or even come close. It sounds like you would advocate taking some 4.0 students' grades and giving them to C, D and F students because, well, only a small number earn a 4.0 GPA. If the lower wage earners are not content, then they should better themselves, not demand a piece of someone else's property.
Olivier Francis
10:45 pm on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
There is no point - same guys who cry slash and cut everting else voted to enrich their own package.
But liberals who love USA have to think about the debt, entitlements.
type writer
8:25 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Bush tax cuts must be rolled back........back to where they were when Lincoln was president. Democrats only want to roll the tax rates back to where they were very high. I say roll them back to where they should be. You dont have to go back to Lincoln, just go back to 1900....
Typical Obama Voter
8:59 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
I see where people want to roll back tax rates to Eisenhower and Kennedy years. That sounds great..Lets roll EVERYTHING back to those years. Tax rates, immigration policy and enforcement, gun aws, tax exemptions and deductions, car and health insurace laws, crime and punishment laws, public school rules and standards, zoning laws and building codes, personal property rights and business and commerce laws and regulations. Now that would put America back on the road to recovery.
9:21 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
That is a funny post. So i will not have to wear a seatbelt if i do not want to or a helmet to ride a bicycle! I can have a 24 ounce soda in NYC if I want! Can we get rid of reality TV shows and get I Love Lucy back on prime time with Ed Sullivan?OBVIOUSLY this all satire and not meant but it is funny to me.
Typical Obama Voter
10:25 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
The dems have a great idea. Lets roll back the sales tax rates and the income tax rates. Plus all the other taxes. Gasoline tax, phone tax, utility tax, property tax, tolls, surcharges. Lets roll them all back to when Eisenhower was president . I like Ike.
10:18 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
That would mean that the top tax rate would be 91% and we would still have the Glass Steagall Act that Clinton unfortunately repealed because of pressure from the likes of former Sen Gramm-R from Texas and other greedy right wing politicians.
Can't roll back tax rates on the middle class any lower than they are now. Without gas tax, who pays for the roads? Oh I forgot , Republicans don't need roads and bridges. Obama- Biden 2012
Olivier Francis
11:57 am on Thursday, August 16, 2012
US Economy is not a 1 year answer. Just like you plant now for a tree 10 years later Eisenhower invested in Interstate that is unparalleled in the whole world. Obama is such a visionary who can see what you cannot see or UNWILLING to see. He has given a second life to the great state of MI and Car Industry. Many great things will come. You me and just about everyone (without exception) got 2% reduction. Name one thing that republicans did like that. Even if you are not totally satisfied what is your suggestion give the wheel to the same guys and philosophy that put us in the ditch. Give me a break. You may be swayed by FOX...Sorry I am not.
8:57 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Great visionary?? Regarding GM, Obama has only given them time and all he did was bailed out the auto worker unions. The only solution that GM needed was a bankruptcy followed by a reorganization. GM would have remained in business through out the bankrutcy but its long term obligations would of been renegotiated so that GM could become competitive. GM's cost structure is still too high to compete long term against the other car companies. GM will need another bail out in the future. So what is GM management doing with the time they have been given? They are investing in plants in China. GM sees that China is a huge auto market, but moreover they are going to slowly move major manufacturing overseas so they can take advantage of Chinese demand for cars and lower labor costs. In my children's lifetime GM will be exporting cars into the US. Do not discount what am saying as fox news nonsense. It is really happening. Today the largest auto brand in China is Buick. If Obama was a visionary he would have realized that GM needed its cost structure rationalized. He did not. He is an inexperienced politician and he is ruining this country with his lack of vision and leadership.
Donna Griffin
10:26 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Olivier - Are we speaking of the same "visionary" who had no knowledge of the vitriol spewed by the Rev. Wright despite sitting in his church for over a decade? Is this the same gentleman, who while running on a hope and change platform, had "no idea" how bad the economy was despite being a sitting Senator? You could not be speaking of the same "visionary" who spent over half a billion taxpayer dollars to bail out Solyndra only to watch the company tank months later? "On Tuesday, GM's stock closed down at 20.20 on the NYSE. With the government still owning 500 million shares of GM stock, it would have to sell at $53 a share to break even -- more than double Tuesday's price." Let's also not forget that 2,200 dealerships were shut down with the auto bailout. I think that this "visionary" needs to get his eyes checked.
10:54 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Concerned: don't agree with all of your assessment of GM. Ford is doing fine here. Foreign car companies like BMW, Mercedes, and Volkswagen are building or built plants here. I would agree with you about top GM management? There appears to be controversy surrounding Dan Akerson, the CEO... and the recent departure of Chief Marketing guru Joel Ewanick, is another indication of that? Akerson was never a car guy, who knew the business inside out from the ground up. To quote one of the auto pundits...
...Dan Akerson may be highly thought of in his inner circle of cronies at The Carlyle Group and with the rubber-stamping minions on GM's Board, but there's no question in my mind that his fifteen minutes are up. He's had plenty of time to demonstrate – and convincingly so, I might add – that he's the wrong CEO, at the wrong time, at the wrong car company. And it's really too bad, because the True Believers at GM deserve so much better...
...there's more to this than GM needing its cost structure rationalized. . .
11:17 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
The foreign car makers building plants in the USA is a great happening! I agree. Now step back and look at what is behind those decisions, and you will see very aggressive state level incentives to create jobs in the states they locate to and very favorable wage concessions by workers who want those jobs. GM on the other hand is restrained from moving plants due to their union contracts. This disadvantages GM. No matter who is running GM, GM will behave a a global company and take advantage of the growing market in China to rationalize their manufacturing footprint and lessen the influence of the UAW on its cost structures. Stay tuned.
1:23 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I totally agree with what your saying about the deals offered by Tennessee, Alabama, and South Carolina, but what I find ironic is that when the GM bailout was being bantered around down in Washington...the three biggest opponents in the Senate were from those stated: Corker, Shelby, & DeMint?
As for the unions. . .that's a touchy subject, because of right to work rules in those states giving them a competitive advantage, although I'm sure that they do get health care and retirement benefits...yet they have a lower wage scale. . .also cost of living in those state locales could be a factor having to do with lower wages, compared to unionized shops. Yet I believe Ford and Chrysler have unionized workers. . .and they compete with those foreign transplants as well?
...with respect to bankruptcy & reorganization: that would be no small task to undertake, considering all the entities involved. . .and how long would it take to resolve all the issues, while 100's of thousands of people would be waiting without jobs, medical coverage, and being secure in the pensions. It's easy to seat here and talk reorganization?
7:43 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
when a company files for a reorganization under the bankruptcy laws, the company continues to operate and GM workers would have worked making cars etc during the reorganization. All debt and contracts are reviewed and reset to ensure that when GM came out of bankruptcy it was healthy financially and able to compete. It takes time but since they continue to operate business as usual as the workers are concerned. This was the right path that everyone who was against the Obama bailout of GM because we had the laws to properly deal with GM under the reorganization provisions under bankruptcy. GM today would be far better of they reorganized than the way Obama took care of it.
11:48 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
...so I guess my $64K question is...if this is all true. . .why did old GM need to be bailed out...protecting the UAW(it's members) as you and others argued. . .the company and it's employees would have continued being employed. . .now go tell that to Congressman Paul Ryan's constituents who loss their jobs in Janesville, WI all about that reorganization...The company was bleeding red ink for years...they were closing or planned to close plants here even before the Great Recession. . .in plain English. . .the company was going out of business?
10:34 pm on Thursday, August 16, 2012
Walton family that owns Walmart has more wealth than the bottom 40% in this country. The bottom 60% own 2% of the wealth in this country. God bless you if you are rich, but God help you if you stack the deck against others by having a different set of rules like offshore accounts and special tax privileges. The wealth disparity in this country hasn't been this great since 1929, so don't threaten middle class workers by suggesting closing of the doors of 'so called' job creators. They don't care about creating jobs, they just want another greedy tax cut on the backs on the poor.
Donna Griffin
10:14 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Gene - Exactly how many jobs have you ever held that were provided to you by a poor person? How much honestly earned wealth is a person who takes risks by opening a business allowed to keep in your mind? 50%, 25% or none? You are going down a very slippery slope. The top 5% of the nation's adjusted gross income earners, paid approximately 58.7% of all "federal" individual income taxes. The upper 50% of wage earners pay 97% of ALL tax collections. The bottom 50% pay the remaining 3% of all taxes collected at an average tax rate of 2.98%. Raise the capital gains tax and watch pension holdings tank which I can assure you will burn the alleged "bottom 60%." A flat tax is the most equitable solution. No deductions, no loopholes and EVERYONE has skin in the game.
10:27 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Help me understand your view point on wealth and taxes. I am not being critical or demeaning in anyway. As I look at capitalism and the history of our country i see that a small few were always very wealthy vs the general population. The founding fathers were all wealthy land owners and farmers vs the general population. Durning the industrial revolution the Fords, Rockfellers, Morgans and so on all were vastly more wealthy than the general population. Today the Walton's and others who have created innovative businesses such as, Walmart, Home Depot, Facebook and on and on are all very wealthy. Is that not what makes America great? Now taxes, I agree we need tax reform, but today if I make money and its ordinary income I am taxed at the federal level upwards to 35% and because of AMT my itemized deductions etc are eliminated. After I pay taxes on that income I save money and invest it in stocks or bonds. The investment income I earn is taxed at lower rates. That is the tax law and I have done nothing wrong. Now if I hide income overseas I am committing tax fraud which is a serious wrong doing. to the extent that is happening the IRS needs to go after that and they have with a significant court battle with the Swiss Banks which revealed out those tax cheats. Now when Kerry ran for president, his joint tax returns with his wife revealed a tax rate paid of less that 10%. Why? They had money invested in municipal bods and they had investment income. All legal.
10:43 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Donna Griffin......
TRICKLE DOWN never worked anywhere ever on this planet. More money in the pockets of the rich is getting us nowhere since the disparity hasn't been this great since 1929. On the other hand, when a middle class or poorer person has money, ALL of it is spent(not hoarded in an offshore account). This creates demand for goods and services. If tax breaks were given to American businesses that remained local(one of the jobs bills filibustered by Republicans), that would enhance things further. Real American fair wage and benefits jobs are what is needed and they are created by DEMAND and not by putting more money in the pockets of the rich . Mitt Romney is the poster boy for the oligarchs. Obama - Biden 2012
10:56 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
If you want a country where the airports , roads, bridges,sewer and water systems look like that of a 3rd world country, then continue the flow of all the money to the top 2%. Republicans may want to fix them possibly after a fatality, but that would mean getting the money from those who could least afford it.
Romney IS HIDING HIS MONEY OUT OF THE COUNTRY, so what is your point?
As far as taxes, it would be great if we all didn't have to pay any taxes. Let's see ,no military, no cops, no teachers, no roads, anarchy in the streets, no referees of any kind. I am exaggerating of course, but my point is that your side wants a few rich lords in a land of peasants. No thank you . Obama- Biden 2012
6:55 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Gene, your response to my post was not responsive and just partisan rambling. I thought I could engage you in a meaningful discussion. Be well.
Oh bummer
11:19 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
No Wonder Debbie wants more pension benefits!!! She gets one! DO YOU or do you just pay for hers?
Oh bummer
11:30 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Look at all those muni bonds avoiding income taxes. Democrats cheat too I guess and don't pay their fair share. O bummer
11:57 am on Friday, August 17, 2012
Oh Bummer,
Lets not be hypocritical as the Obama democrats are. Kerry paid an effective tax rate of 13% which is lower that Romney. Not once when Kerry ran for President did the Democrats criticize the level of taxes he paid. Look at his disclosure you posted, its truly amazing he has amassed such wealth as a politician, but he did marry well. A couple of years ago Kerry bought a luxury Hinkley Yacht and he purchased it in Rhode Island as RI has no sales tax on purchases of boats. He tried to avoid the tax, but this "law maker" conveniently forgot that its a sales and USE tax, meaning to legally not pay the sales tax he had to use the yacht only in RI. BUT he was going to use it in Massachusetts where he lives in the summer. So he legally owed sales tax to Mass. He was called out on this illegality and paid the sales tax to Mass.
10:26 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Not all Democrats are running for president. If any of them suck like Romney and Ryan they should be out of politics as well.
Oh bummer
12:00 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
I just want the media and liberals to hold their own to the same standards. Is that unreasonable.
Olivier Francis
9:32 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Made up attacks -- Swift Boat Ads...Wait for another 2 months..even the die-hard righties will be sick of the negative ads against Obama. Citizens United folks another patriotic gift from the right.
Either way this USA FireSale will be erased.
1:28 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I still want too see Romney's tax returns. Even the Conservative pundits have been prodding him to release them?
Oh bummer
12:27 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Look at pelosi. She owns apple stock which makes their products are made in china and they profit 40 billion and pay very little in taxes.
2:35 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
And Al Gore is on Apple"s Board of Directors. He has been for sometime now.
12:30 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Don't care what anyone makes as long as they play by the same rules as the rest of us, and they don't screw the American worker and families in the process.
Obama- Biden 2012
Oh bummer
8:24 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
O bummer. Democrats have ruined another once great place
Oh bummer
9:02 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Let's look at our Senator Lautenberg's info. All kinds of private equity, tax free bonds, income from dividends. I wonder if on his 200 million he pays his fair share. What a tax cheat.
1:44 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Oh- let's focus on Romney. . .he's the one running for President. . .let him reveal is tax returns as others who support him have requested.
9:03 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
the tax return nonsense is a Obama campaign diversion from the real issues. its the economy and leadership those are the issues and Obama's record in these two areas is dismal at best. so lets focus on Obama and his first term as President which has been an utter failure.
Bob English
9:59 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Concerned...its an issue because Romeny will not release several years of returns and makes the crazy claim that he would be criticised if he did....they must be bad!!! Note that he lied when he ran for Governor at first claiming he filed taxes as a resident of Mass (but not releasing just the top of his return with his residence) as proff. Later on it was revealed that he has filed as a resident of Utah and than retroactively amended his return to claim that he was a resident of Mass. At stake was whether he met the residency requirement in Mass to be eligible to run for governor.
11:57 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
..is that just like the Republicans now waving the torch for Medicare...This morning down in Florida there's Republican Paul Ryan hugging his Mother on TV, with this big Medicare banner hanging high above their heads as a back drop. . .I mean...talk about hypocrisy. . .Republicans since day one of Medicare have been ardent critics of the program!
3:47 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Bob English,
Romney filed his tax returns with the IRS. They were filed on time and correctly. Releasing two years is all that is required and the Obama wher are the tax return nonsense is a distraction from the real questions of where is the leadership in the white house and where are the jobs!
3:50 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Medicare needs to be reformed and we need leadership to get it done. Obama is not a leader. Both parties support SS and medicare. Creating fear in seniors has always been the mantra of the democratic party.
Bob English
4:15 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Concerned...there has been 29 striaght months of jobs growth under Obama. Still much to be done to make up for the 8 million jobs lost in the Bush Depression, 800,00 jobs were lost in one month alone in December of 2008. Speaking of where are the jobs, can you name one thing that the Republican House has done to create one job??? How about passing the Presidents jobs bill???? Under other Presidents, both parties would have supported that in a heartbeat however in todays times, if Obama is for it, the extreme right is against it even if it would help the economy.
4:38 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Bob English,
It was not the Bush recession. That is rhetoric. The recession and really in parts of the country a depression was created by both parties. I will explain. The economic mess began two legislative blunders. First the deregulation of the banks by President Clinton. It was supported by both parties so I hold both responsible. The next was from Senator Barney Frank and the Housing Affordability Act which Clinton signed into law. This law forced the banks to lower their lending standards so low income folks could own homes. Well the deregulated banks made the mortgages and then the banks and other financial firms bundled them together into new derivative investment instruments called credit default swaps. All the banks and financial firms around the globe bought these derivative instruments. AIG insured them against default! Well then people began to default on mortgages and then these investments went bad having to be written down to the fair values. Banking liquidity disappeared. AIG could not pay the claims and then consumer confidence dropped off a cliff. The bailout occurred to infuse liquidity into the banks to avoid a depression the likes we have never seen. So the SEC did not do its job nor did the FDIC not the congress. Bush should have undone the bad policies of that were passed by Clinton but he did not. BOTH parties created this mess. So we are in a mess and Obama is way over his head. I voted for him last time, not again. Romney is the best choice.
4:52 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Concerned- the $716B that the Republicans are now criticizing was a beginning to reform Medicare...putting off by 8 years... in savings that addressed the short fall in the not to distant future, if it had not been enacted under the ACA. Now Romney & Ryan want to repeal the ACA, which will put us back to square one again Don't make no sense?
12:27 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Oh bummer...
I'm sure Lautenberg will have no problem going back to the Clinton tax rates . Only greedy corporate Republican puppets are balking at doing what's good for America.
Olivier Francis
9:35 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
I am a liberal but even I cannot stand the sick pay these Congress do-nothing reps take home 170K plus yearly salary. We need to downsize this crowd.
Review their benefits folks. Pension all paid life long medical benefits. And yet they shortchange this land like noone else.
Oh bummer
9:53 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Ollie now you are talkin. Congress should not have benefits or pensions.
6:28 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Oh bummer....
How is your witty Republican race to the bottom going? I guess someone like Romney can help you outsource some more jobs as he hides his money in Swiss banks.
11:42 pm on Friday, August 17, 2012
Ryan caught in might be called a little whit fib.
While saying be was against the stimulus he
requested money from it to help out business people
in his State, seems it worked for them but Ryan says
it was a failure Pauly you got some explaining to do.
David E
9:19 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I thought Romney could've done better with his pick. But it really wont change my Vote. Obummer has FAILED on the job, and should be FIRED on Nov 6th. FAILURE = FIRED. Remember that for the rest of us working folks.
Paul J. DiBartolo
10:01 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Since Obama let the American people down regarding his "Hope and Change" promise during the 2008 campaign, maybe it's time to recycle that phrase and let it serve in his re-election campaign. Given that he's tried to raise money in every way imaginable, even to the point of asking people to add his campaign to their wedding registries, how about this for a regurgitated technique from 2008...
"If you think I've done a good job running the country into the ground...(er, who turned off the teleprompter?), I mean, running the country and want to continue raising the unemployment numbers...(drat, what's up with that teleprompter?), I mean, employment numbers, I "HOPE" you'll throw me your spare "CHANGE" so I can build up my campaign coffers and defeat Mitt Romney. He doesn't know anything about building up the economy - things like doubling the amount of people on food stamps and giving away money to my friends, er...to start-up Green Energy companies destined for bankruptcy. Anyway, I'm trying my best to distract you from thinking about all that; remember, I won the Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing and picked Joe Biden for my running mate. By the way, where's Biden hidin'?"
Now there's some "Hope and Change" we can believe in - his Hope and your Change!
12:17 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
In Michael Grunwalds new book"The New New Deal" his facts about Green Energy don't support your opinions about all those start ups. Wind companies have been very successful...and not all solar companies are going bankrupt has your rhetoric would lead us to believe. . .
6:21 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Paul J. DiBartolo....
Time to change the channel,start reading all of the facts and using BOTH sides of your brain. This might be hard for you because you sound old,white,disgruntled,fearful,and stubborn like most of the neo- con President Obama haters.
Obama -Biden 2012 . Can't wait for the debates. Bring it!
Olivier Francis
10:46 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I had a dream --
There were two USAs, USA-R and USA-L.
Just a dream. In some other posting after some cool aid I will report what I found there to the patch community.
Stay Tuned and you will be entertained.
Olivier Francis
11:37 am on Saturday, August 18, 2012
There is a report of Paul's adv starring his mom. Who said that Paul would not take care of his own mother? We all know other kick the can down the road representatives would as well. They all would. The issue is what they plan to do for someelse's mother? Especally if that someone happens to be regular Joe? not so rich. Isnt that the question. If my mother is going to die wthout due medical attention ... what are they going to do? what laws will they pass while plying the game of "kicking the can down the road"? Will we see Govie Christie credo dont be poor ?
2:53 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Looks like at first Paulie for got to mention about 61,000.00
in income. What are the odds if they went over other ones
they might find a few more returns that might have
a few "mistakes"?
One big a$$ mistake america
4:35 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
There are L areas like the cities which are all broke like camden trenton and detroit. They are run by Dumbocrats. There are suburban areas that are run by Rs. The R areas pay for themselves and the L areas think Abbott school funding. Guess what the L areas are getting worse. Common denominator is Liberal policies which are all failures despite any good intentions. Name 1 city that is run by Dumbocrats that can stand on their own.
6:05 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
One big A$$....
By your name, are you really Christie in disguise?
The hillbilly R's pay for themselves? That's a joke . Texas is DEAD last in education along with the other not so terrific track records in the inbred states. Why does Mitch McConnell's state of Kentucky take in from the federal government, 1 and a half times the amount of money that it contributes? So much for your crappy right to work (for less) states.
Common denominator is trickle down that never trickled to inner cities or rural areas or MIDDLE CLASS of any kind . Obama- Biden 2012 with a reasonable congress rather than Mr. T wannabes. Change the channel and start educating yourself
7:58 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
I think it is ridiculous that we still have Electoral College....
Electoral College was created very long ago when the government believed it was necessary to insure that no candidate would be able to manipulate the citizenry and basically in order to prevent uneducated citizens from making the wrong decision and so on...
It is time to get rid of Electoral College and make the popular vote decide!!! But it is harder said than done...it would take a constituitional amendment ratified by 3/4 of states to change the system.
8:28 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
it had a lot more to do with States rights, but by using your point
"to insure that no candidate would be able to manipulate the citizenry and basically in order to prevent uneducated citizens from making the wrong decision"
I think the Electoral College is more important than ever.
5:49 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
First, you have to stop crooked Republican politicians from stifling the vote. Any roadblock to block the popular vote. They make me sick . Obama -Biden 2012
One big a$$ mistake america
8:36 pm on Saturday, August 18, 2012
Seriously? Do you know without detroit michigan goes red. Without phila pa goes red. See a pattern of cities being used to elect those in power on the false promises of things will get better. It doesn't. Only those in power get richer. Look at all the trouble the mayor of trenton is in. People are smart stop denying the realities of the problems. The dumbocrats want to spend spend spend and it hasn't solved anything. Obama tried. He won because he promised to cut the debt and create jobs. He failed because he lied. He only made it worse. More debt and no jobs
6:12 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
One big a$$.....
Reagan and George W. spent like drunken sailors. Obama inherited 2 wars, a medicare part d drug plan, and a tax cut that favored the rich. All of these were not even on the books until Nancy Pelosi made sure that nothing was hidden after that imbecile W left office. Low information voters like yourself along with Fox (news?) will distort these and other facts over and over. Obama- Biden 2012
Bucky Winters
5:30 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
OK, Romney made all his money legally, gives tons to charity, and does pay his taxes. If he didn't, he would have been charged by the government with tax evasion or nominated by Obama to be the Secretary of the Treasury. Neither happened. He pays the 13% rate due to his charitable giving and that's the tax rate he falls into. Congress sets the tax rates. Clear?
I want to know how did the Community Organizer, who never really worked a job, become a millionaire? That would be very interesting.
10:13 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
'OK, Romney made all his money legally, gives tons to charity, and does pay his taxes'
Made his money legally because those greedy vulture capitalists play by their own set of(legal?) rules while they try to pay as little percentage as possible back into the system. You say he paid his taxes. How do you know when he doesn't release his information like everyone else that runs for office.
'Congress sets the tax rates. Clear?'
You mean those Republican and some Democrats who are puppets to the corporations that bought their job for them? The same corporations that don't care about the middle class worker,our commons like the water we drink, and our atmosphere,etc. They just want to pay little or no taxes and balance our budget on the backs of the poor.
I want to know how a deferment queen stayed in France while he promoted the Vietnam war. I want to know one solid position that he took where he didn't play both sides just to further his political position. I want to know when he left Bain and how many jobs he outsourced before he did. I want to know how he is going to protect people with pre -existing medical conditions,close the donut hole on prescriptions for seniors, and cover children of parents with health care until the age of 26 .
Obama-Biden 2012
Bucky Winters
6:45 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Thank God Obama spent all that stimulus money otherwise unemployment would break 8%! Oh wait....
12:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Ryan also spent stimulus money or got it for
his State when he said he did not.
Also said the stimulus money did not work but it
helped people in his State. Talk about a Bser
9:52 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
I guess it was okay when Bush and Reagan spent stimulus money. It doesn't matter that Obama stopped the bleeding for 29 straight months even though the Republican senate filibustered EVERY jobs bill to try and make Obama look bad to low information experts like yourself.
10:01 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Isn't it about time for the Patches to close comments on this article? It's getting older than the Happy Birthday Barrack the Socialist ad.
Hector Logan
10:13 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
are you saying patch leans one way or the other? As I sit here looking at a Dinner With Barack ad
Frank Rizzo
11:32 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
proud you are the typical teabagger whining about your constitutional rights being taken away and as soon as the facts start making you look foolish you want to remove people's right to free speech. the hypocrisy among republicans is a guarantee.
11:35 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012
Our country needs a new President. Obama has been bad for America. His policies create an environment of uncertainty. Employers are not creating enough jobs because Obamacare costs will be too high. Healthcare needs reform but not this way. Romney-Ryan 2012. !!!!
12:12 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Romney is such a fake that he doesn't even know when he's correct. He's on both sides of EVERY issue. Thanks for being right half of the time i.e. Romneycare.
Employers are not creating enough jobs because of lack of demand from the middle class, not more tax breaks for the greedy rich like their poster boy Nit Witney,and definitely not because of the ACA. Can't wait for the debates,no hillbillys here,only a few Crisco zombies. NJ IS A BLUE STATE!!!! Obama -Biden 2012. YOU can bank on your guy in the Cayman Islands but not NJ.
Frank Rizzo
12:35 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
concerned is just the average confused teabagger. yes gm is building cars in china for sale to the chinese. they have outsold toyota sales to the chinese by double. i know concerned its so much better when chinese companies here sell their goods to us right?
2:59 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Your resorting to name calling is yet another reason to close comments on this article this time "Frank".
6:28 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Frank - Do you think you help your case when you use vulgar sexual terms like 'tea bagger'? By now, everyone knows what it means and that it is not the same as 'tea partier' so you can't plead ignorance.
Or maybe you can.
6:48 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
I am not a tea bagger. I am an independent who made the mistake of voting for Obama for his first term and I regret that decision. I am very pro US businesses doing business in China. My comments on GM relate to the fact that in order for GM to survive long term they must relocate jobs overseas to escape the UAW contracts. GM's cost structure is not competitive long term and the Obama bailout did nothing but buy GM time. They needed a reorganization.
7:41 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
What is it with the Left's fixation on "teabagging"? Their familiarity with the activity, and tendency to introduce it into every discussion is certainly curious.
8:29 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Yeah, every time a Lefty brings up "teabagging", it seems like some weird form of solicitation. Isn't that against Patch policy?
2:22 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
I respectively disagree. Romney is no fake. He understands the private sector. In order for this country to be strong the private sector must be strong. It is not the government's responsibility to provide health insurance but the individual's choice. If your employer does not provide insurance as part of your compensation you can purhase it as I did when I was too old to continue on my parents policy.
Obamacare was forced thru and the majority of Americans oppose it. Healthcare should be reformed but in a responsible way. Competition among insurance companies is a good way to reduce costs. Allowing citizens to purchase coverage across state lines is necessary to achieve lower rates and access for all Americans. Ridiculous law suits also drive up the premiums and should be prohibited.
After nearly twenty years of service with a major supplier to the automotive industry I was laid off. My husband lost his job with a major chemical manafacturer as an IT professional after thirteen years. We are both working now thanks to the opportunities provided by the greedy rich who run small, medium and large businesses across this great country. Tax breaks and incentives allow companies to employ more people like us.
I hope the good people of NJ realize we need a President who will create an environment to allow businesses to flourish and prosper.
I am looking forward to the debates as well and believe the Romney Ryan ticket is the best choice.
Shep Proudfoot
7:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. Socrates
John Jay
8:38 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Obama has instigated police state tactics against Americans, Frank Rizzo. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. Is it possible for you to make a statement of fact instead of engaging in personal attacks?
It appears that people of your kind, can't seem to cite authoritive sources to back up your claims.
As far as my Constitutional Rights go -- Obama has done virtually NOTHING to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Thanks to his administration:
* Returning veterans, and people who quote the Founding Fathers are labled as "terrorists" according to the Dept. of Homeland Security. (Janet Napolitano said she stood by an April 2009 DHS intelligence assessment that listed returning vets as likely domestic terrorists. See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/)
* Empowered the Department of Homeland Security to buy 1 BILLLION (that's right one billion) rounds of .40 hollow point hand gun ammunition to be used against AMERICANS. This ammo is BANNED by the Geneva Convention. (See http://www.naturalnews.com/036847_ammo_purchases_government_stockpiling_media_lies.html)
RE: "Frank Rizzo 11:32 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012 proud you are the typical teabagger whining about your constitutional rights being taken away and as soon as the facts start making you look foolish you want to remove people's right to free speech. the hypocrisy among republicans is a guarantee"
John Jay
8:39 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Obama has instigated police state tactics against Americans, Frank Rizzo. That is not my opinion, that is a fact. Is it possible for you to make a statement of fact instead of engaging in personal attacks?
It appears that people of your kind, can't seem to cite authoritive sources to back up your claims.
As far as my Constitutional Rights go -- Obama has done virtually NOTHING to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Thanks to his administration:
* Returning veterans, and people who quote the Founding Fathers are labled as "terrorists" according to the Dept. of Homeland Security. (Janet Napolitano said she stood by an April 2009 DHS intelligence assessment that listed returning vets as likely domestic terrorists. See: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/16/napolitano-stands-rightwing-extremism/)
* Empowered the Department of Homeland Security to buy 1 BILLLION (that's right one billion) rounds of .40 hollow point hand gun ammunition to be used against AMERICANS. This ammo is BANNED by the Geneva Convention. (See http://www.naturalnews.com/036847_ammo_purchases_government_stockpiling_media_lies.html)
RE: "Frank Rizzo 11:32 pm on Sunday, August 19, 2012 proud you are the typical teabagger whining about your constitutional rights being taken away and as soon as the facts start making you look foolish you want to remove people's right to free speech. the hypocrisy among republicans is a guarantee"
John Jay
8:52 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
More examples of Obama's trampling on the United States Constitution:
* Obama "signed into law: H.R. 347, the 'Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011,' The law makes speaking out against an elected or appointed member of the federal government a crime (see: http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/obama-signs-end-to-free-speech/)
* Trying to use the illegal "Fast and Furious" gun running operation to demonize the Second Amendment -- resutling in Obama's Attorney General Holder held in contempt of Congress over the illegal "Fast and Furious" gun-running program which resulted in the murder of American federal agents and hundreds of Mexican citizens. (See: http://article.wn.com/view/2012/07/31/ATF_and_US_Attorneys_at_fault_in_Fast_Furious_scandal/)
* Rolling out unconstitutional checkpoints on highways and rails -- run by the military and Homeland Security. Obama is encouraging the illegal search of American citizens without establishing "probable cause" for the search (see: https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/index.php/2011/03/01/p240)
...I can go on -- but you cannot refute any of the threats to liberty that are being perpetrated against Americans with the full blessing of Obama.
10:38 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
John Jay....
Right wing sites that try to confuse the true meaning of what really took place? Your whole party is a bad joke. You can't do any better than that? No facts, vote No on every jobs bill, No good ideas, No respect for women(even if they are raped), No trickle down benefit ever, No taxes paid on money in the Caymans, No equal pay for women on equal work, No good candidates running, No middle class jobs because they were outsourced by vulture capitalists like Romney, No compassion for others because you believe in Ayn Rand's warped vision.
I too can go on and on- Threats to liberty? Like I said , you tea baggers are a bad joke.
9:34 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Goldwater and Reagan are rolling over in their graves because today's Repubs think they were too "liberal." Ryan's kill-Medicare, coddle-the-rich ideas have gone too far for most Americans.
9:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Martin. If you have children or grand children or nieces and nephews you must understand that our current entitlements must be reformed in a sensible manner. Our debt level as % of GDP, including state and local debt and all govt unfunded pension obligations is 175%! Calculated the same way the UK and Germany are at 95 % approx. and Greece is 165%. What Romney and Ryan are saying is we have to stop spending at the current levels or we will lose our nation's ability to borrow, compete, maintain an adequate military, pay our debts including entitlements. This is serious and everyone has to really think through this mess we are in economically. Once the debt levels are brought down, the economy growing, then tax increases can be levied to bring in revenues. We cannot fix this problem with taxes as the economic recovery is not stable at this time. We need leadership and certainty out of Washington. Have we become a nation that is so partisan we will blindly destroy our children's future? Gosh I hope not.
10:02 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
I would ask Romney supporters to google "damon corporation". It seems mister "we need to reform medicare" did quite well bilking the system.
After that, google "todd akin paul ryan rape" and you will see what the presumptive #2 on the republican ticket thinks about redefining rape and what women can and cannot do with their bodies in ryanland.
10:17 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Where do you get your voodoo math numbers from? The current Debt to GDP ratio is 101%
During Eisenhower's term it was 127%. He then created a stimulus by building bridges, roads,sewer systems,and water treatment systems. What is your hollow Republican point? When Obama wants to do the same thing, every politically greedy Republican votes against the American worker. Change the channel. Your name should be O'CONCERNED. Obama - Biden 2012
6:42 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
The 101% you refer to is only national debt. My 175% includes state and local debt and unfunded pension liabilities of all govt employees. This is how it is calculated in europe so its an apple to apple comparison. 175% debt to GDP is simply unsustainable. wake up please.
7:30 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Apples to Apples? Plee.......assssse! We are talking national debt. Every state is different and by the way, the last time I looked,Europe doesn't have states.
You should change your screen name to Confused
7:50 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Gene, You are kidding I hope. European countries do not have states as we do, but they have localities and cities etc that incur debt and that debt, including unfunded pension obligations are included in their calculation of % of debt to GDP. To not consider the debt, we as Americans shoulder at the state and local level, is stupidity or naive at best. Yes 175% is our total debt load as a % of our GDP. It is unsustainable and will ruin our country if it is allowed to continue. I am not confused but I am concerned about your lack of knowledge on important issues. This is an important election and we all as Americans need to spend quality time studying the facts on issues especially the economy. I promise not to get my facts from the republican handlers and you promise not to get your facts fro the democratic handlers. Deal? Read from a variety of sources and remain open minded so the facts can help you determine what is best for our country and future generations. Stop thinking political party.
O bummer
10:03 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
The 1 percent already does their share. Unlike 50 percent they pay the majority of taxes, consume the majority of goods and services which provide jobs and its just never enough for you tax and spend Democraps. Your cheesy soundbite shows your ignorance of how the economy works. 70 percent of gdp is consumer spending in order for the economy to grow we need spending. Raising taxes doesn't create jobs or even lower the debt. It will lower spending though. 1.3 trillion annual o bummer deficits and all liberals can say is its not fair. Darn right its not fair o bummer has screwed generations of kids because he wants to destroy our country with spending we just can't afford.
Joe R
10:39 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
Thanks for all the right wing Fox News blather and talking points. This nonsense about the 50% who don't pay taxes. Garbage. They pay wage taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, gas taxes, if they own a small shack they pay property taxes, if they rent they indirectly pay property taxes through the rent. If they pay very low or no federal income taxes (they may be paying some state taxes), it's because middle class wages have been stagnate for ages, if they are the working poor, they are being ripped off by the top one percent. What a terrible commentary on this country that so many hard working Americans are being reduced to peons and serfs by greedy CEOs who won't share in all the profits and wealth. The top 1% could not have gotten so rich without the workers who they underpay. By the way, that 50% figure who supposedly don't pay any federal income taxes also includes the poor retired seniors who basically live on their Social Security check, or poor impoverished seniors in nursing homes who have exhausted all their savings, Medicaid pays for their nursing home. Why does the GOP hate poor people so much? Why does the GOP hate the elderly and the disabled so much? Why does the GOP hate those poor and homeless kids so much? Oh yeah, the GOP and libertarians think that all poor people are lazy moochers. That will come as a shock to the poor person working 3 part time jobs and still doesn't make enough to pay a federal income taxes.
10:01 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Archie O' bunker....
Did you go to the same school and have the same teachers as Akin? That would explain where you get your obfuscation of the real facts. Is your nickname TART?
wheres murrow?
10:57 am on Monday, August 20, 2012
The Wisconsin grifter is at a rally now lying through his teeth. And the misinformed are eating it up.
6:50 pm on Monday, August 20, 2012
Bachman,Palin and Jan Brewer (name matches her) are now joined by Akin getting out of the Circus Clown bus.......
John Jay
9:26 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
RE: RP -- I live within my means. I have a modest home -- and pay unbearable school taxes for it for one child. Meanwhile, a 100% low-income development went up. A person with 3 children moves in and they pay 0 property taxes.
Please explain to me why I should be punished for living within my means and can afford a home mortgage -- but my school taxes go to support someone living in an apartment with 3 kids and pays nothing.
"RP: Oh yeah, the GOP and libertarians think that all poor people are lazy moochers. That will come as a shock to the poor person working 3 part time jobs and still doesn't make enough to pay a federal income taxes."
John Jay
9:30 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
RE: RP -- I live within my means. I have a modest home -- and pay unbearable school taxes for it for one child ($10K). Meanwhile, a 100% low-income development went up in town. A person with 3 children moves in and they pay 0 property taxes.
Please explain to me why I should be punished for living within my means and can afford a home mortgage -- but my school taxes go to support someone living in an apartment with 3 kids and pays nothing.
"RP: Oh yeah, the GOP and libertarians think that all poor people are lazy moochers. That will come as a shock to the poor person working 3 part time jobs and still doesn't make enough to pay a federal income taxes."
Joe R
10:04 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
JJ, so you hate renters? You regard renters as second class citizens? Renters indirectly pay taxes through their rent. What about the home owner without kids, what about the homeowner whose kids are grown and he no longer has any children in the public schools? If you think renting an apartment is such a knock, such an easy way out, why don't you sell your house and rent? Having well funded public schools is a positive force for any community or town. Like all right wingers, you seem to have a problem with poorer people who don't pay as much taxes as you, who may have more kids than you. Do you want to bar them from public schools? Only home owners' kids are allowed to use the public schools and renters children can just rot in hell?
John Jay
10:18 am on Tuesday, August 21, 2012
Nice personal attacks, Joe R (Re; Joe R's comment "JJ, so you hate renters? You regard renters as second class citizens?").
I am not going to take your bait regarding personal attacks.
I am pointing out that funding public schools on the backs of property owners is entirely unfair. If you want to engage in a meaningful discussion of the 100% inequity regarding New Jersey's flawed school funding "system", please do so.