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Who Won the Debate? NJ Insiders Split Along Party Lines
However, over 80 percent believe President Obama will be declared the "consensus winner" by media outlets.
New Jersey political insiders declared their party's candidate the winner of the second presidential debate Tuesday night. However, most believe President Barack Obama will be the consensus winner among national media outlets over Mitt Romney.
According to a Patch flash poll sent to elected officials and political party insiders, 24 out of 27 Democrats responding believed Obama was the victor, while 20 out of 24 Republicans declared Romney the winner.
"I think Romney had a better understanding and explanation of how to create jobs and grow the economy. He looked much more presidential," one Republican said.
The results of Patch's second presidential debate poll of New Jersey insiders contrast with those from last week's head-to-head, in which 100 percent of Republicans surveyed and 41 percent of Democrats gave the victory to Romney.
In Patch's first debate poll, 70 percent of all respondents believed Romney would be declared the "consensus winner" in that showing.
Approximately 82 percent of those surveyed, including 16 of 24 Republicans, believed Obama would be declared the "consensus winner" of the second debate by national media outlets.
"Obama was back," one Democrat declared.
Many respondents made mention of moderator Candy Crowley in pointing to debate moments that would stand out among viewers.
In response to the question "What moment will stand out in the mind of conservatives in New Jersey?" one Republican said "Candy Crowley acting more like Obama's debate partner than a moderator."
"It was disappointing to see Obama get away with his misrepresentation of the Benghazi attack," that Republican said. "We know the administration—and Obama himself—repeatedly denied what common sense told us from the start: that it was a premeditated act of terror, not a spontaneous demonstration that spiraled out of control.
Democrats also highlighted the Benghazi attack exchange as a highlight of the evening, though from a decidedly different perspective.
When asked what moment of the debate would stand out to progressives and liberals in New Jersey, one Democratic respondent answered: "Obama's response on women's health issues and the Presidential response on the Benghazi attack issues by Romney which was misrepresented. Obama came out as a fighter and advocate for the middle class, veterans, senior citizens, working 47 percent that Romney called victims and not taking personal responsibility."
That same Democrat criticized Romney's tone during the debate: "Romney was rude to Candy Crowley and was flustered when he was challenged on his positions by the President."
Patch Red and Blue Garden State surveys were sent to 190 Democrats and 145 Republicans. If you are an elected official or party leader and would like to be included in future surveys, contact Associate Regional Editor Jacklyn Corley at email@example.com or Regional Editor Mike Pignataro at email@example.com
10:02 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney won. All he had to do (and he did) was to discuss Obama's failed policies of the last 4 years. Romney discussed the national debt going from 10 trillion to 16 trillion dollars over the last 4 years. The fact that 1/2 of college grads cannot find jobs. Unemployment rate very high - gas prices have doubled - The deficit has double under Obama. You can go on and on about Obama's failed 4 years. Romney nailed him on this and it's all factually true. Obama was speechless when it came to these facts. The main stream media has ignored these facts long enough. The Obama administration has failed the American people these last 4 years. Imagine adding 6 trillion dollars in new debt these last 4 years and the unemployment rate is still very high. And it's actually higher than what is stated. We all know it.
J.D. Luke
11:10 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
It's sad, because the economy was in absolutely fantastic shape when Obama came into office. We weren't involved in any wars with funding made via emergency appropriations to keep them out of the budget, gasoline prices had never been above two dollars a gallon, and the financial industry was in fine condition.
12:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I have a little informal poll going on on my YouTube page. It has two skits of a feuding Romney and Obama. According to that, Obama is winning 69,644 to Romney's 74. It is mostly a New Jersey audience though. So it could be skewed. See them at:
john budnick
12:50 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
You are so right.I enjoy going to the gas station and paying close to 4 dollars for a gallon of gas. The oil companies are raking in millions.The college and high school grads cannt find a job.Housing going up again.rents at all time highs.This man has been in office 4 years and what good has he done.Now after for years of complete failure,he wants 4 more.Lets pray rommey wins.
Pete Mock
1:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
JD you're good. I had to reread your comments a few times before I was sure you were joking.
J.D. Luke
1:50 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Pete, thank you for taking my comments as they are meant to be taken.
To be perfectly honest, I'm not particularly happy with either candidate, but the arguments that people are willing to make in public get my ire up enough to activate my Sarcasm-o-matic 3000.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
11:53 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
JD - I'm a banker. It's what I do. We had just run off the cliff in September of 2007 when Ben B jumped the wrong way at the penalty shot (adjusting rates downward to keep the heat on in the real estate market) - the history of this is tracked in the failures of the banks listed on ml-implode.com (I was and am one of the moderators on the "market insider" portion of that web-site, where information is shared by mortgage professionals to insure we're at our most competitive, and further to insure that, when we place a loan with an investor, it will close, and in a timely manner). The crash began then, but it takes many months for it to reach the rest of the economy, as the numbers the public sees are already "baked in the cake". BB's "blink" inspired a loss in faith in our markets, and created a self-fulfilling prophecy. We weren't living with the trend, or even riding it....We WERE the trend. It's certainly easy to identify what went wrong today - but only a very few of us were expressing our disbelief at that now evidently bone-headed move. That was when I was first asked by my peers from all over the Nation to enter politics. What Aaron and others have endured for being outspoken in that industry is only a small taste of what detractors of an administration suffer elsewhere in the world, but it all but broke many of us.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
12:01 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Don't misunderstand me - "running into the burning building with a gas can" by the next administration didn't help matters.
Had Bernanke and pals instead done what we had suggested for months, IN WRITING - raised rates slightly - tightened our belts, and supported a market at 6-8% (at that time) - BECAUSE, if you were to chart when our growth was best, those were the numbers, and for the simplest of reasons....folks could garner enough of a return to leave their money in the market, to save, rather than to spend, capitalizing on good returns.
Removing the mortgage interest deduction would be slashing the throat of the real estate market, already crippled by the so-called 'market correction' - (read "mark to market") in real estate values.
I was at a TWP meeting in the district, and later messaged the mayor - "JFK said that a rising tide lifts all ships - it appears a receding market strands all townships". Folks are appealing their taxes, and they should...but, understand, the townships have obligations to meet, and budgets to honor...a drop in incoming tax dollars from appeals by a few will eventually result in a slow, steady rise in the mil rate - as it must, to accomodate the new shortfall.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
12:01 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Best would be a true and FULL re-evaluation - but the problem with that is finding a true disinterested party to complete such an evaluation - these sorts of projects are typically rife with graft. That "miss" in 2007 is going to continue to cost us for some time to come.
Joseph Keyes
10:03 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
President Obama nailed this round. His closing 2 mins. were especially powerful. Glad to see him back!
Earl Gray
11:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Agreed... With all the rhetoric...I thought I would post his words...
"I believe Governor Romney is a good man. Loves his family, cares about his faith. But I also believe that when he said behind closed doors that 47 percent of the country considered themselves victims who refuse personal responsibility, think about who he was talking about.
Folks on Social Security who've worked all their lives. Veterans who've sacrificed for this country. Students who are out there trying to hopefully advance their own dreams, but also this country's dreams. Soldiers who are overseas fighting for us right now. People who are working hard every day, paying payroll tax, gas taxes, but don't make enough income.
And I want to fight for them. That's what I've been doing for the last four years. Because if they succeed, I believe the country succeeds.
When my grandfather fought in World War II and he came back and he got a G.I. Bill and that allowed him to go to college, that wasn't a handout. That was something that advanced the entire country. And I want to make sure that the next generation has those same opportunities. That's why I'm asking for your vote and that's why I'm asking for another four years."
10:07 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Joe, don't get use to seeming him back. Because he's going to be gone. His socialist policies will be gone too.
11:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I hope your right Don. We absolutely cannot afford 4 more years of Obama. His stimulus was a disaster, riddled with failing green energy companies, and no shovel ready projects. We spent $246,436 per job it created and many of those are already gone. His answer to the still failing economy is to do it again! Why? Maybe he is getting kickbacks. He tells such tall tales it would be within his character. We in NJ know Corzine is nothing more than a thief, a thief who is a bundler for Obama and faced no charges after stealing billions in the MF Global case and Eric Holder is not prosecuting him? The Obama Administration has been a sham on every issue.
Earl Gray
12:26 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Socialist policies...... as in Social Security.... Yahhh.. my grandma is scary...
E. Woltman
10:08 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Tired of the POTUS skirting the issues and avoiding the truthful answers...how much can one man twist and spin the truth...? No one can sustain another 4 yrs. of this out of control spending and cover-ups....
9:49 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Yes - 8 years of your sainted Republican president Bush left everything in tip-top shape, didn't it?? Short memory you people have.
How can you possibly expect ANYONE to undo the mess W left in a short period of time? May we all be protected if Romney wins - he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Kiss your social security goodbye, kiss women's rights goodbye, and be ready to fill the coffers of the very rich.
10:13 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Well they may say Obama won by a very small margin but the facts are the facts Mitt did not get his ass kicked like Obama did during the first debate. Seems like Obama needed to act like a bully to keep it close to a very smart and well prepared Romney. Romney 2012 for President!
Crazy World
12:11 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Mittney was prepared with half-truths and lies. His blame of the last four years should be squarely on the shoulders of the Republicnecks that got us in this mess in the first place. You simply cannot trust anything that the Mittney/Ryan ticket say about their "Plan" for America. Kiss all your tax deductions goodbye. America's Middle Class cannot afford the failed policies of Bush/Mittney Republicnecks.
10:17 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Repub commenters saw a different show than the rest of the US. Consensus said the Prez rocked & Mittens got clocked.
Joey Bagdano
11:30 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Far Left MSNBC independents say Romney rocked....maybe they got it right. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/10/17/msnbc-post-debate-focus-group-leans-towards-romney
10:17 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
You said it Joe! It's quite clear that the president won the debate. It's even more clear that the haters are in denial. Blinded by ignorance and the inability to accept the truth. There is no other reason why anyone would be cheering for a robot.
oh bummer
10:32 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Is the truth you refer to the $16 trillion debt exploding to $25 trillion? The fact the Medicare is UNPAID for to the tune of $500 Billion a year and growing. The fact that 25 million people are unemployed. Are these the truths you are rooting for? You probably can't stand NJ property taxes too.
10:38 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
It's clear? What were you watching? Haters? Who hates? So you're calling Romney a robot? I'll take a job creator Robot any day over a Hollywood hipster President who has never created a job in his life.
oh bummer
10:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama is a legend in his own mind.
Did you see all the crazy lefties on Twitter threatening to assassinate Romney.....what a bunch of left wing nut sacks!
The new America. If someone doesn't get their free stuff. Kill the MAN!!! It's no wonder our cities like Detroit, Chicago, Newark and Camden are such war zones.
Alena D.
10:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Haters in denial? I think Obama supporters are in denial and blindsided and are unable to accept the truth on what is going on around you. Keep your eyes check and educate yourself first.
Joey Bagdano
11:31 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If high unemployment, gas prices and food prices is your cup of tea vote Obama. If your intelligent vote for ABO (anyone but Obama).
Loretta D
11:40 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
sure. let's keep doing what we are doing so we can keep getting what we are getting. Can anybody list just 2 things Obama did before being elected? He got in because of a brilliant marketing campaign which is why he held the title for best ad campaign in Advertising Media Magazine. Other than that, he has left us in shambles.
Donna Griffin
9:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
George - The "truth" is Obama's failing agenda of the last four years. He decided to show up at Debate #2. Good for him. Without the help of Candy Crawley and her inaccurate take on our President's Rose Garden statement, he would have turned in a slightly less than modest performance. In all honesty, the debate will not make or break this election. This president's "leadership" over a failing economy, skyrocketing debt, unemployment, 100% gas price increase and floundering foreign policy will.
10:20 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama did a Robotomy last night, taking Romney-Ryan-Runyon out of contention. They'll be Washington lobbyists by January.
Greg Michaels
10:22 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Wonder why the Democrats kept pestering Romney about hiding his tax returns? Maybe they are in the pile with Obama's birth certificate, high school and college transcripts and where his millions of dollars came from!!! Anyone ever wonder why Michelle O. pushes for healthy eating while she piles on the weight??!! How come all the lavish parties at the white house are all hush hush???
oh bummer
10:29 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Greg when you have no record to run on, radicalism tells you to attack your opponent and deflect. Personalize it. People who don't follow issues and facts grab on to personal stuff because its easy. It's straight out of a book called Rules for Radicals.
Why on earth would Obama want to discuss why 47 million are on food stamps and the debt has doubled? They are failures of his. Better to attack
10:31 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama sounded like a man who has not been President for the past 4 years.
He has no successes to run on, just attack Romney and see what sticks.
Romney is a turn around expert for failing business, what more do we need rite now?
oh bummer
10:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
That's because except for the title, he has not been President the past 4 years. No skills. No qualifications. No success. What else would we expect from a man who worked as a community organizer in Chicago. Chicago isn't exactly an economic model anyone would want to emulate.
Earl Gray
11:26 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"Romney is a turn around expert for failing business"
Sort of close... He buys companies... sells off their assets, and then "turns around" and sells them...
Sooo. kinda close..... Yahhh not really... no....
2:27 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Earl-'oh bummer' is not interested in facts about Bain Capital. Hey even the former supply sider himself; David Stockman is gunning for Mitt and his Bain capitalist co co conspirators...
11:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Romney is a venture capitalist - a Gordon Gekko with sister wives. He is not a business man. He is a vulture who manipulates corporate entities to bankruptcies. Witness KB Toys. People who don't study the reality of the candidates scare me.
Joel Zimmerman
10:31 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney took it on the chin last night.
As usual the chameleon had no facts about a plan to make
things better other than I know how to do it. Trust me, I'll tell you
all about it once I'm President. In the meantime when he was
Governor he left Massachusetts with a huge deficit and had the 4th worst
employment record of any state in the country.
Earl Gray
11:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Here is a fact check on Romney...
Chris Antonelli
1:51 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mr. Gray,
You call that a fact check? You need your head checked.
Donna Griffin
9:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Joel - What is the president's plan should he be re-elected? In all fairness, it would be nice if the same requirement for details you (and the mainstream press) are demanding of Gov. Romney was also demanded of the sitting POTUS.
Nj Ghost
10:33 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama lied (with the help of the crow ly), people died (4 to be exact)...also lied on oil exploration shut down.(see N.P.R A not to be confused with the strategic reserve) How's that $4.00 gas working out for you?...also lied about foreign investments ( his own personal blind trust is invested in chinese companies) (google it)....Time to throw out Barak Carter......He's going down in 20 days, Learn to live with it chump.
Earl Gray
11:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I wonder if Romney would have done better debating himself?
Yeeks... I guess not
Earl Gray
11:48 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Maybe Romney will win the SECOND debate against himself
Ooops... guess not...
5:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Great post. Nothing but the truth from his own mouth
5:20 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
This is a great post.
Nothing but truth from the horses mouth.
Joe R
10:34 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
For anyone to refer to Obama as a socialist is an act of extreme ignorance or stupidity or extreme mendacity. Even shifty sketchy Romney has not made that ridiculous claim. However, Francis Bellamy was a self-avowed socialist. Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance and the sermon, "Jesus the Socialist." Every time you recite the pledge, keep in mind that it was written by a SOCIALIST, HA, HA, HA. If you want a repeat of the Bush debacle, then by all means vote for vulture capitalist Romney.
oh bummer
10:38 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama is a socialist and muslim. Not ingnorance or mendacity....do you have a word of the day calendar on your desk......it's just true. We could respect him more if he would just admit it.
11:07 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
You can't have it both ways- either he's a disciple of the racist Reverend Wright and therefore hates white people (Wright is a Christian) or he's a radical Muslim. But he can't be both. But the conservatives seem to love to try.
Joey Bagdano
11:34 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Joe R, google Howard Stern interviews Obama voters and listen to what you sound like. Obama has presided over higher gas, food and utility costs. He has taken over banks a and auto makers. The stim ulkus went into green businesses (run by dem contributers) that have mostly all gone bankrupt. Vote for him again and thus screw over the next generation (As well as ours).
Earl Gray
11:49 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Joe R...
And oh by the way...don't you just love the clever name calling like "oh bummer"? They sound so much older than 14...
Earl Gray
10:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I think I saw boxes of Robomitt parts at a garage sale this morning. He certainly was dismantled last night...
Nj Ghost
12:43 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Earl Gray....Robomitt parts?????? "And oh by the way...don't you just love the clever name calling like "oh bummer"? They sound so much older than 14..." And your age is? just another Kool aid drinker....
Earl Gray
2:36 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I am a 56 years old business owner (28 years) employer, husband and father. I am much closer to the 1% than most.
I also detest liars. Such as those that say Obama is Muslim, or not born in the USA, or the slew of other slurs that so many of you throw out regularly and repeatedly.
The difference between me and Mitt is that I understand my civic duty. I understand what REALLY makes America great. It is all the teachers, and police, and fire fighters, and soldiers, and highways, and bridges, and social security, and medicare, and healthcare etc. etc. etc.
I have worked ALL over the world... I have been to countries with the "low taxes" you espouse... With low taxes, comes low services. Crappy roads, bad wiring, food, water (no inspectors) and high crime, graft, and drug lords (few police) and only the rich get educated... And no way out of poverty if you get there.
The wealth flows to the top, and there is ZERO middle class, while the population lives in squalor... it isn't speculation. Look at Mexico..
Low taxes, and Millions in shacks. Drug lords in control, but HEY...people are FREE!!! And MANY of the richest people in the world live there, including the richest man alive (Carlos Slim) Unfortunately, you need a compound, and guards to be safe, and you must clean your own water, and in places like Mexico city, you need an armored car to get to work...
No Thank You...
Marty Wilson
10:15 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Earl - Obama himself said he was born in Kenya from 1992-2007 in his literary biography. Google it. He thought it would help him in his life until he realized he had to be born in the US to run for President, then he changed it. Mitt served in his church, volunteered more than most, gave a huge % of his huge net worth to charity and served in public office. Don't try to belittle his public and private commitments to civic life.
Marty Wilson
10:17 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Earl - look at the Soviet Union, Communist China, North Korea, Cuba, France - high tax states - the wealth also flows to the top - although it goes to corrupt politicians, not to meritorious businessmen. Would rather have the latter.
Earl Gray
5:06 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Marty Wilson
"Obama himself said he was born in Kenya from 1992-2007 in his literary biography"
Marty... There is a name for you where I come from...... LIAR!!!! Let me say that again... LIAR!!!
I have read Obama's book myself. It says absolutely no such thing, but I expect you already know that.... Just in case there is somebody left in the world, that doesn't know that this is a LIE!!! and that doesn't therefor know you are a LIAR!!!
Here is a link to that subject one of the many good fact checking sites....
PS: You have no morals and you disgust me...
11:32 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl Gray,
"closer to the 1%" but not one of them, what's the matter, are you jealous? A 56 year old business owner who has time to make lame posts on a message board, you must be a very successful business owner. It's obvious you are socialist drone.
Brian Satch
10:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
First off I felt bad for the moderator both were pretty rude to her. Second Jill Stein and the other third party candidates should have been allowed into the debates as they are on the docket, not arrested for trying to be part of it. If people don't like either candidates they should at least have another choice.
Joe R
10:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Brian, I agree. The same thing happened to Ralph Nader (and other previous Green Party candidates), he was barred from one of the debates. Sadly, Jill Stein does not stand a chance in the duopoly controlled political landscape of the US. The Ds and Rs control everything, third parties don't stand a chance. Jill Stein had previously debated Mitt Romney during the 2002 Massachusetts gubernatorial election after which The Boston Globe declared her "the only adult in the room."
11:12 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I think that it would be absolutely delightful to include Jill Stein and Gary Johnson.
Remember when Perot got to debate in 1992? WE need to get the Jill's and Gary's up to 15% nationally so we can have a REAL debate.
Long Time Resident
10:36 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Why is it that when Bush was President he was held responsible by the Lib media for Gasoline prices going up but now Obama can't be blamed for the higest prices for gasoline on record ?
Any Lib care to offer an explination.....I would lovew to hear it!
oh bummer
10:39 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I think gas prices are up because of an internet video that caused spontaneous rises in refining costs.
11:01 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Considering Bush ran as an oil man that could get gas prices down, that may be why there was criticism.
Did you forget June 2008 when gas prices topped out at over $4 per gallon in NJ?
Joey Bagdano
11:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Bush was blamed for Katrino too, not FEMA not State Dept, but hey, how could Obama know that on 9/11 after receiving many warnings, that an Al Queda attach was imminent.
2:30 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
JoeR- can you believe what's coming out of 'oh bummer'. . . Internet causing gas prices to rise??
10:41 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Was an interesting evening to say the least. My only point is why are we so impressed that the President did better, isn't he supposed to be smart, and know what is going on. He is the President for crying out loud. We keep making excuses for him and why he was so bad the first time. Who is the real guy? The real issue is that he has no record to run on, and gas is still 4 bucks a gallon today, and unemployment is 8%, etc etc. What has he done to deserve another 4 years?
Earl Gray
11:54 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
no excuses here.... He creamed Romney on facts.... Romney lied (prodigiously) in the last debate, but that is coming out now...
The truth shall set you free...
John Scheader
10:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama is the original "flim flam" man. He's like a bad comic workig the room. How he has the "stones" to even try and take credit for increased gas and oil production is a joke!!! His administration has done every they can to hurt the Oil and Gas industry. Also, what kind of leader 4 years later constantly blames the problems n the prior administration. I'm a big sports fan so I'll use an analogy; does anyone think an NFL coach could have a last place team for 4 consecutive years, and keep his job by blaming the teams woes on the prior coach. Please let's send him to "the showers"
J.D. Luke
11:14 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I agree. I'm still really angry at Obama for sending SEAL team six in to blow up that BP blowout preventer in the Gulf.
Earl Gray
11:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Flim flam man? Really? Lets take a look at what a "flim flam man" really looks like..
Any questions?
10:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If all you are worried about is the price of gas, buy a hybrid! Such a lame and unimportant argument. NJ still has the cheapest gas in the nation with full service. The president has much more important things to do than to subsidize the cost of gasoline. Try living outside of the states for awhile and you will appreciate $4 for a gallon of gas.
oh bummer
10:44 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
We need jobs to be able to buy a new car. 25 million people need work.
And who would buy Chevy Volt that will catch on fire for 50k anyway. Now we should come to appreciate $4 gas is what leftwingnuts have to say. Can you even be consistent in your attacks.
oh bummer
10:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
He does have more important things to do like
1. playing over 100 rounds of golf
2. attending Hollywood elite 1% fundraisers
3. increasing the debt by $7 Trillion
4. spending money we don't have to help no one
5. give out Obama phones
Alena D.
11:13 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Again Marc, educate yourself. Hybrid cars need electricity. In order to produce electricity, you need coal to burn. Steam coal, also known as thermal coal, is used in power stations to generate electricity. And where coal comes from? I think that's you job now to find out so you can educate yourself.
Earl Gray
1:17 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
You are the one that needs an education...
Obviously you have never seen a hybrid... Most don't plug in... They generate electricity from gas... and regenerate it from the brakes.... The volt also runs on gas as well as batteries... and it gets twice the gas mileage, so what ever the gas price, your cost is half as much to run it.... And when plugged in, electricity can come from Wind and Solar (which are sustainable forever and don't cook the place we live) .... and yes... I have one... and yes... my community now gets over 30% of our power from Solar and Wind... And that number is rising...
Talk about a Chevy Dolt!!!
Earl Gray
1:19 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"And who would buy Chevy Volt that will catch on fire for 50k anyway."
Ohioans.... that was a Romney voter that said that....
J.D. Luke
1:38 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Perhaps Lhen is planning to purchase a coal fired hybrid?
John Jay
10:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama is the King with NO CLOTHES! The LAMESTREAM media has tried to DEFLECT for too long -- thanks to the ALTERNATIVE MEDIA we are finding out more and more about Obama's
* Communist inspiration: Frank Marshall Davis (FBI-watched, registered CPUSA member and probably Obama's REAL father)
* Muslim inspiration: Living in Indonesia as the adopted son of an Indonesian/CIA Army officer and attending Muslim schools.
* Terrorist inspiration: William Ayers (unconvicted murderer and terrorist of the 70s)
* Corruption inspiration: The COVICTED Obama insiders: Tony Rezko Rod Blagojevich!
This is NOT a man that should have been elected DOG CATCHER, let alone a President. He was just a tool of the banks and the Dems to get their corrupt money from the government. Disgusting...
Earl Gray
11:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Birthers? Still?
Bill Ayers? Really?
Man... you gotta get off dialup and get some new talking points...
Earl Gray
12:34 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"LAMESTREAM media"
Sarah? Is that You? How is the diet book coming??
Bwa ha ha ha ha ha
2:37 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
John Jay- you already shut down two threads with your crying uncle. . .and your back with your blah, blah, blahs again. . .You want to mouth off here...Fine. . .But don't shut the thread down when others attack you!
Marty Wilson
10:18 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Earl - what don't you believe about his affiliation with William Ayers? He acknowledged it himself. How many avowed, unapologetic terrorists do you know personally - i'm guessing zero. also - he himself said he was born in Kenya - Obama said so in his literary biography - check it out.
Earl Gray
5:10 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Marty. As is becoming your hallmark... your statements on taxes are wrong...
Earl Gray
5:21 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Seeing all of your posts here, I can see that you intent is to spread lies in general; The Bill Ayers thing is just another one...
That was was debunked 4 years ago. Independent voters... Notice who keeps lying.... over ......and over... and over.... And notice who he supports....
10:48 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney hands down. Obama looked like the arrogant fool he is.
Earl Gray
12:00 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romneys hands were down while Obama was pummeling him...LOL!!
How do you get rid of AK-47's? Why get married of course!! LOL!!!
How are you different than George Bush? Uhhh... Uhhhhh... Let me answer the last question again...
C'mon man... They admitted it when they lost...and nobody likes a poor loser...
Earl Gray
12:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Apparently the country was watching a different debate... From Poll of Polls....
The two largest polls gave Mr. Obama a clear advantage. A Battleground poll of likely voters in swing states who watched the debate had him winning 53-38.
"An online poll by Google Consumer Surveys gave Mr. Obama a 48 percent to 31 percent edge among registered voters.
"There were also two scientific surveys about the debate conducted among voters in particular states.
"A Public Policy Polling survey of Colorado voters who watched the debate found 48 percent declaring Mr. Obama the winner, and 44 percent for Mr. Romney. Mr. Obama's advantage was clearer in the poll among independent voters, who gave him a 58-36 edge."
1:15 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
And, a more important poll
Jack S
1:40 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Earl, according to the president, the only way we can have gas prices under $2 is to have a financial crisis. Really? I must have missed that in my economics class many years ago. Also, people are nailing Romney on not answering the equal pay question, yet Obama never answered the question regarding denying more security for the Libyan consulate.
Earl Gray
3:38 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Jack S
No.. he didn't say that (but nice try) He said that is what will happen if Romney is elected. And I agree.
The policies of George Bush got us here. he had 8 years with 6 years in control of the house AND senate. Resulting in THIS.
Which resulted in the second largest financial crash in history. Now... the last time that happened (the depression) it took 16 years (and a world war) to come out of it.
This time (like Hoover) the republicans have vowed to do (and are doing) everything they can to stop us from coming out of it:
resulting in this...
EXACTLY when we needed them most....
Meanwhile Obama has step by step pushed for stimulus, and jobs bills, and saved the auto industry, and small manufacturers, etc. etc. and got THIS done...
While also investing in our FUTURE!!! He also mandated that the mileage standards go up. THAT means cost goes down, because while gas will go UP... Twice the mileage, and your costs are 1/2...
Gas production in the US being UP... And oil drilling in the US being UP... And Gas drilling being UP.. and Exploration UP...
Earl Gray
3:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
The most important poll is this one...
Obama +5 in Ohio....
Romney and Ryan won't take their home states.... That's Bad... (and it tells you something) The more you know them...
Donna Griffin
9:57 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Earl - You may want to take that Xanax right now with a cup of tea (Earl Gray if you so choose). The election is a few weeks away and if you think that the president's "performance" was Oscar worthy....touche. If, however, you think that this nation deserves better and more accountability in their president, vote for someone else. I wish there was one issue in the last 4 years Obama could take responsibility for. He cherry picks his successes and denounces anyone for questioning his failures. He is a spoiled child who is used to having Mommy telling him how he is the second coming. Truth be told, he's arrogant in addition to being a total failure as president.
Earl Gray
5:58 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Donna Griffin
Obama isn't perfect. He is MUCH better for the country (American people) than Romney. I have been around a LONG time, and have a good memory. I remember George Bush running on "balanced budget" not on "privatizing Social Security" When he had every chanced (all he had to do was stay the course) to balance the budget, he grew it!! And he then went after Social Security (first raiding the funds, and then trying to cover his tracks by privatizing it). He started the most stupid war ever as "stimulus" then blamed the cost on Obama....
In spite of these same people obstructing more than EVER..
While Corps do better than EVER before
The middle class got killed and are just now getting back.
We are in the second largest financial collapse in history, and not healthy enough yet to endure this again...
Romney is pinned to support his party and will do what they want.
That is bad for America. Including me, as I am one of the 1%
Donna Griffin
7:33 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl - I could be wrong, but George Bush isn't running for President in a few weeks. Obama was elected nearly 4 years ago and made a whole host of promises to the American people. He delivered on none of them and in fact, his actions (or lack thereof) increased unemployment, ballooned the debt and left our nation in a precarious international position. He either knowingly made empty promises of "hope and change" or he was in way over his head in his ability to achieve those goals. My gut tells me it was likely a bit of both. I believe he does not have the requisite experience to deal with the issues facing our country. Either way and by every measure, his presidency has been an utter failure. I've got kids and I am extremely concerned for their futures. President Obama has made those futures bleaker while in office. I will not risk another 4 years of national decline by supporting him.
10:50 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I wasn't attacking anyone. I was pointing out a reality. I cannot try to be reasonable with people who don't understand reason. Have fun with your mindless chatter.
10:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
One or the other most of the comments above seem to be written by uninformed idiots.
Mark Wauben
10:54 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Its all smoke and mirrors with Obama, his handling of every crisis is just bad leadership, and even though he promised to secure our borders, since he took office its actually gotten worse...its almost like he wants more illegal immigration to bolster his voting base. Come on liberals wake up and smell the BS.
Sure it stinks, time to remove the "dirty diaper" from the White House.
Earl Gray
12:42 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Speaking of "dirty diapers" I think you might need to change yours...
PS: You attested that you were over 13 when you signed up to post here... Don't give yourself away, as less than that...
10:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I hope they don't use the town hall forum again. It appeared to be a stacked deck and room against SEN Romney in that the commentator got choose the questions. There wasn't a question regarding the President's policies regarding Israel and his refusal to set foot on Israeli soil in 4 years. The commentator should not have interrupted Sen. Romney while he was challenging the President's reaction to Libya. There needed to be follow-on questions which he was not given the opportunity to ask. The president did not directly state that the Libyan incident was an act of terror, nor did he not state that it was. Part of his verbatim remarks were: "No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn for more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done." The real question is why did it take two weeks for the administration to admit that it was a terrorist attack marking the anniversary of 9/11? If he, in fact, knew it was a terrorist attack, what took them so long to act?
George Clark
11:02 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
it was supposed to be the land of milk and honey, but they started it off with the blood and guts of women and children. Nothing holy there and obama probably didn't want to soil his shoes by stepping in all the blood. fight your own wars, you started them. shalom
11:13 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mr. Clark - not saying that he should or should not go to Israel but the position of the US has been that we are staunch supporters of Israel. Isn't tht one reason why we are stating that we oppose Iran's nuclear program because their potential goal is to obliderate Israel? It's just another example of how O speaks from both sides of his mouth. Of course, he's not the only one....
Earl Gray
12:02 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
You know you have lost when you blame the room......
8:49 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
This is not Burger King! You can't just have It your way.
George Clark
10:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Oh the crying begins again. instead of attacking the men, why don't we attack their platforms? Can't seem to find Romney's anywhere last night. He's the ultimate shape shifter and all you that buy his lies are seriously of questionable intellect or honor for that matter. You heard what he said to win nomination? Now he wants to change his tune totally? You guys are quite alright with hiring a guy to lead this country that's been lying on his job application for years? I couldn't imagine what lies he will hide if he should get elected. Now for a little off color humor so don't get your tights in a tizzy. lol. How come all the fat white chicks protect their black boy friends so? lol. only kidding.
oh bummer
11:01 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Did Obama disclose his platform anywhere? oh that's right his platform is FORWARD
which means another 4 years of lower wages, higher healthcare costs, more debt, more food stamps, more misery, more unemployed
Yep, great track record and platform. If failure got you an "A" Obama would be top of his class.
George Clark
11:10 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
bummer, do you think big american and world wide greed is gonna let you their slaves go? no raises for middle class since 70s and you all keep taking it on the chin.
10:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
oh, come on, you know his platform is to rid this country of gun violence by marrying off every unwed mother. That'll do it! No wait, maybe his platform is supporting the Lillie Ledbetter Act by having binders of women on him at all times. No wait, maybe his platform is to shill for coal by standing in front of a coal plant and closing it down after saying this plant kills. Wait, it's cutting taxes by getting rid of loopholes to the tune of you could take a maximum $17,000 in deductions or maybe it's a maximum $25,000 in deductions. He's just not sure. But what deductions - He hasn't said
Instead of Seamus on the roof of the car when there is no room in the car, he can put all the women who work for him up there.
10:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
USA1- Thanks for your contribution, you are a genius. The world is a better place because of people like you. Champion your ignorance some more, it's fun to watch.
11:01 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Get use to it. The Hollywood hipster (aka Obama) will be gone soon and we will have a true businessman in the White House. Someone who created wealth and jobs rather than someone who was nothing more than a Community Agitator.
11:06 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Staples is one of the top 50 companies that pay their employees the least. Romney has made his career on sacrificing the many for the benefit of the few. His sketchy response about the his tax cuts reminds us that we can expect more if he becomes president.
George Clark
11:08 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
it was his kind of business that's brought the world's economies and us all to our knees. you wanna keep being a sucker on his knees the by all means aim to please. but I'd bet it's gonna leave a bad taste in your mouth if Romney buys the election with money from his chinese business partners. da for don.
Earl Gray
12:45 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Unfortunately it might be a businessman for CHINA!!
11:06 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney won. Obama continues to be unable to present an economic plan that will turn the economy around. His remorse for the murdered Libyan Ambassador was so sad. Obama did not provide the protection necessary to keep our Americans safe and they died needlessly. If he had attended his security briefings and asked questions and probed the risks that existed on the anniversary of 9/11, he would of concluded that more protection was needed. Please vote this man out of office in hust a few short weeks. Please!
Earl Gray
12:07 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"Romney won." he said as he awoke from his dream.... and then reality hit....
C'mon man... smell the coffee... Obama wiped the floor with him... Come on... say it.... say it....
Nobody likes a poor loser...
11:22 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Mark Wauben
11:20 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Is it even possible that there are people in this country who would are stupid enough to vote twice for a man who has allowed this country to have its credit rating cut, insulted our best allies, ignored the economy and forced a healthcare bill through that guarantees that out taxes will go up significantly after the election?
11:31 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
There are people even stupid enough to vote for Romney.....go figure.
Tee Smyth
12:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If you're going to talk about the credit rating, tell the truth. Let's talk about Congress' role in how that came to pass. Come on, dude. Your taxes aren't going up, either. Stop it.
Earl Gray
12:11 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Yes... Many voted for George bush twice.... Thank GOD that is over!!!
We are finally digging our way out of the giant hole he left us in...
The good news is that we are getting better faster now...
1:26 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Honey Boo Boo Endorses Obama
11:23 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
To BellairBerdan and George
While Romney was out taking risk and creating your jobs, your buddy Obama was out their hanging with communist radical Frank Marshall Davis, terrorists Bill Ayers, and anti-American Jeremiah Wright. I guess this doesn't both both of you. Perhaps you agree with Obama's pals.
12:11 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Don do you mean when Romney was creating jobs in COMMUNIST China?
Earl Gray
12:12 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Creating jobs in China was not what we had in mind....
Earl Gray
12:23 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Ohh yahh... Just pulled this up on Bill Ayers...
From 2008!!!! Wake up!! That was debunked 4 years ago... if you are going to throw lies... at least put your shoulder into it....
Nothing worse than a lazy liar...
10:07 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
He wasn't creating jobs. He was piling debt on companies and then taking massive profits when they went under.
Nj Ghost
12:50 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Good Carol...put your hands down ...and hold your ankles if the halfrican wins again....
J.D. Luke
1:40 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Ha ha ha! "Halfrican!" That's incredibly funny.
Wait, not funny. What's the word again for someone who decides that someone's ethnic background is the prime determinant of their worth?
11:36 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I love the last question. Both were asked to correct any misconceptions the public may have about themselves. Romney answered the question. Obama went on a rant about Romney. Even Obama can't say anything good about himself.
Earl Gray
12:15 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Really? I think you were watching reruns of the West Wing...
"I think a lot of this campaign, maybe over the last four years, has been devoted to this nation that I think government creates jobs, that that somehow is the answer.
That's not what I believe. I believe that the free enterprise system is the greatest engine of prosperity the world's ever known.
I believe in self-reliance and individual initiative and risk takers being rewarded. But I also believe that everybody should have a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share and everybody should play by the same rules, because that's how our economy's grown. That's how we built the world's greatest middle class.
And -- and that is part of what's at stake in this election. There's a fundamentally different vision about how we move our country forward."
Earl Gray
12:24 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Yahh!! Thanks A LOT George Bush!!!
11:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
It seems I was right about what would happen when you use a CNN loser instead of a legitimate journalist. What would you expect from the "news network" who tried to convince the world that Saddam Hussein was a humanitarian back in the 90s. I fault Romney's people for not replacing her in the first place. Also to the Patch, how is it news when more than 80% of the "news outlets" say Obama won. They had already determined that before it started. I do have another question for you. It is relevant here due to the timing of her "confession". How many young ladies do you think want to grow up and be Hillary Clinton today?
Earl Gray
12:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Bwa ha ha ha ha....
And after blaming the room, they blame the moderator... Whats next? The light was in his eyes? He didn't get his nap?
Come on... Man up... Nobody like a poor loser...
Pete Mock
11:46 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Folks need to get real. It was not a landslide for either side as the first debate was for Romney, but Obama most surely landed more body blows, and made Romney look defensive on a number of subjects. Though Romney seemed a bit more exasperated at Crowley, both men got a bit too fiesty at times and that made for several cringe worthy moments, but the format certainly made it very entertaining.
The highlight was the exchange over the Libya attack, and Romney's parsing of Obama's use of the word "terror" in his speech. Romney was sure he had a gotcha moment, but as it unfolded it made it seem like the whole thing was really about trying to score political points, rather than honestly addressing the issue. Romney's hedging on equal pay and immigration further feeds the notion that his positions on these and other subjects are inconsistent and evolving. He also should have stayed away from the 47% issue, as he gave Obama an opening to hit him hard on the subject without rebuttal.
Should be a horse race to the finish, and it's gonna be close.
11:58 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I understand some of you wonder how some of the
"reporters" can live with themselves by the way they cover for Obama. I think we may have an answer. http://politicker.com/2012/10/reporters-preparing-to-cover-debate-by-drinking-free-beer/
12:02 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I have a little informal poll going on on my YouTube page. It has two cartoons of a feuding Romney and Obama. According to that, Obama is winning 69,644 to Romney's 74. It is mostly a New Jersey audience though. So it could be skewed. See them at:
12:07 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
No competent person would ever want to be president. The real people who control the world, just want to control the POTUS. That's why we have the two hooples running now. Neither could run a chain of 3 Dunkin Donuts. One would borrow so much so soon it's be underwater. the other would outsource ever job to Indonesia....oh.....wait...
12:12 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney wants to add $7 Trillion to deficit but won't explain how it won't hurt the budget. Explain Romney, explain Ryan, the American public want details, specifics, details, details, details! Spill the beans BEFORE WE VOTE, NOW !!!
Why should Americans accept such a sketchy budget scenario from Romney without details?
12:15 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney's father would DISAPPROVE of son's association with TRUMP & ADELSON, the millionaire Publicity Hound & the Las Vegas BILLIONAIRE, respectively. This is according to George Romney's Former Close Aide.
Earl Gray
12:53 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
And that isn't a joke...
NEWS FLASH!!! From George Romney's (Mitt Father) long time aide.
Romney... I knew Romney, and you are no Romney.... OUCH....
Now THAT is gonna hurt....
12:19 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
The shame of it is, you don't get to see "real" candidates anymore. They are all so over-coached and created by their media consultants that we see an air-brushed, photo-shopped candidate.
12:29 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Until you get a glimpse of who they really are when they are talking to their peers ala Mitt's secret video when he is writing off 47% of all Americans and wishing he was Mexican so he could get votes.
12:24 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I would imagine most of us watch the news on TV and read newspapers as well as what is provided by the Internet.
What I heard for about 10 days after the 9-11-12 attack was how it was sparked by an online clip. A mob reaction gone wild.
How can anyone now claim that they called it a terror attack after saying it was a spontanious mob reaction for at least ten days?
It was right out there for us to see last night. How can we ignore it?
The president of the USA lied, live on tv last night. Well ok....lets just say he "spun" his answer to tell something that was not truthful. We all saw it and I would think most of us got that original story fed to us about the Internet clip causing the event that killed the Americans. See...right there for all to see. So why ignore it?
12:35 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Did you forget about all the demonstrations in all those other cities citing that video as a reason just before 9-11?
12:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Who cited the video except the liberal media and the administration? Were there any Muslims referencing the video? Didn't a Libyian official reject the video theory?
Pete Mock
12:53 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Marynary, I'm not understanding your point and I don't think your comments are accurate. It would seem that the protesters and mobs that were incited by the video gave a organized group of terrorist an opportunity to execute a plan they had at the ready. It was not apparent at first that it was an organized attack, and at that point it would have been irresponsible to characterize it as a "terrorist attack" until there was solid information to confirm that.
I think you need some context that you're not getting from your choice of news sources.
Earl Gray
12:57 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Because that is exactly what Obama said the day after the attack.... Watch the video...
If you change your TV channel away from Fox periodically, you may get a different perspective
Pete Mock
1:00 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Monk, are you suggesting that the protests were staged in order to execute the attack? And that it had nothing to do with the anti-muslim video? That's a really big stretch.
"Were there any Muslims referencing the video?" You mean when they were protesting in the streets all over the muslim world? Seriously?
1:24 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I would like to remind those that are criticizing the President for not saying who the terrorists were in his first speech after the attack, look at George Bush's fist speech after 9-11. There is no mention of AL Qeda or Bin Laden even though he received the memo " Bin Laden Determined to Attack Within the United States" a month before. Democrats all stood behind our President then. Why aren't you standing behind out President now?
stewart resmer
12:27 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mitt Romney Told 27 Lies in 1st Debate (in 38 minutes)
Earl Gray
12:59 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Yep... 27 is the fact check consensus...
Of course there were more after...
julie wilson
12:28 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I don't under stand how the president has NJ Mostly everyone I know and alot of people writing on here. So how is it that Obama is leading in NJ I'm worried with both of them we can't trust anything they say. I collect SS and we are getting 1.7% but I'm sure our medicare part B will be more than that I have been trying to find out.
Earl Gray
1:07 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Here are the questions that will get you the answer:
Have Republicans ever ran on getting rid of or "privatize" Medicare and Social Security? No...
Have Republicans ever tried to get rid of or "privatize" medicare and Social Security? Yes... Every time they thought they could get away with it... Including the last republican president (George Bush) who tried both. he didn't get far on medicare, but had a shot with Social Security.
If Mitt Romney is elected... We will have a republican held house of representatives, and split senate, and a republican president. All they will need is to buy just a few a few (blue dog) votes... and you Social Security and Medicare are gone. if elected, Romney would likely do that before the mid term elections, as they wouldn't want to take the chance of a "lash back" and the possibility of losing the house....
I am not being a scare monger... Those things are just what is very likely to happen.... Mark my words....
Pete Mock
1:13 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Julie, historically Democrats have increased or enhanced Medicare, Medicaid and other public health related programs, while Republicans want to cut them or do away with them completely. That falls true for SS as well. If you believe that Obama is cutting any of those programs then you have bought into the propaganda.
If you are on any sort of Government related program (like my mom and mother in law with their SS) and you don't want to see your benefits cut you've got to vote for your best interests, and that would not be for Romney.
5:47 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Julie, you're joking, right? You know Romney is going to TORCH your SS, right? Don't worry about your increase this year, you can kiss the whole thing good-bye soon enough if your guy wins. You might want to do some actual research on where the candidates stand rather than just listening to the people you know. Wow.
Mark Wauben
12:36 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I stand corrected...apparently there are people stupid enough to vote again for Obama...I'm just surprised that those people can actually read.
Pete Mock
1:16 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
We can write too Mark. And we can even express ourselves without insulting other people.
But keep at it, you're doing a great job trying to convince us to vote for Romney with your stimulating and highly intelligent commentary.
Earl Gray
12:16 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The person above is a republican... Notice the attitude...
Mark Wauben
12:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
kicked? ...not exactly although Ms. Crowley...kissed his...arse!
Nose Wayne
12:42 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I think either way America is SCREWED. Were sinking faster than the Titanic.
oh bummer
3:40 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
25 million unemployed
Higher food and gas prices
Higher heatlhcare costs
Earl Gray
12:19 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Really? Jobs UP! Unemployment DOWN. Stock Market UP. Housing starts UP. Housing Sales UP. Retail Sales UP. Deficit DOWN...
Considering where we have BEEN... it is looking almost rosy to me..
Earl Gray
12:20 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
oh bummer likes to make up numbers... over.. and over.. and over...
12 Billion Jobs!!!
Mark Wauben
12:43 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
No Offense Richard but when you said that "Obama is winning 69 to Romney's 74"...actually that suggests that
Romney is winning...perhaps you were out the day that they taught math.
Pete Mock
1:46 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mark, you lost a few digits. Richard said that "Obama is winning 69,644 to Romney's 74" on his website poll. Obviously Highly unscientific for sure, but most certainly favoring Obama.
Nose Wayne
12:53 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mark,Richard must have missed math class that year, and the year before that.........
Pete Mock
1:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Nose, I would suggest it was more a reading comprehension problem on Mark's part. To quote Richard's passage (written more than once above), "Obama is winning 69,644 to Romney's 74". While meaningless, it seems pretty clear to me.
Nj Ghost
12:53 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If the "chosen one" is re elected we in nj are doubly screwed just because we live in occupied state
oh bummer
3:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
A Governor who balances a budget!! Why doesn't Obama submit a balanced budget?
10:16 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
oh bummer,
Didn't he borrow money to do it and articulate projections for revenue that is not even close to reality.
Earl Gray
12:22 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
oooooohh love the "scary" names.... "chosen one" LOL!!!
Drama much?
12:56 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
As long as the Commission on Presidential Debates limits participants to Republicans and Democrats, the American people are the losers.
12:59 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
But the fact is are we better off then we were 4 trillion dollars ago? Thus far the "change" sucks, so change it back. Giving Obama 4 more years of this so called "change" is not progress!
Earl Gray
1:42 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
4 Trillion dollars? Yahh..... thanks George!!!
And as far as going back?? You want to go back?? to the red part of the graph where were losing 800,000 jobs a month?
No thank You...
oh bummer
3:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Look at how pathetic Obama's budget is.....adding TRILLIONS IN DEBT BANKRUPTING US ALL
Spend spend spend until Mommy takes the T bird away..........
Earl Gray
12:25 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
oh bummer
"Look at how pathetic Obama's budget"
Yahh.. Thanks a LOT George Bush!!!
1:11 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I believe that Obama had the upper hand. Too much bickering/insults in these posts. Both candidates are flawed; however, a few tidbits on Romney:
Romney acquired his wealth by buying companies, firing American workers, and transferring jobs to India & China, way, way, before it became fashionable to do so. He should be the last one to talk about bringing jobs back to America.
Romney's borrowing of money to start Bain Capital came from blood money...contra rebels in San Salvador...
Romney used fees (increase in various fees) to close $3 Million budget gap as Massachusetts Governor; thereby, claiming that as Governor he never raised taxes...yet he never announced that he raised fees.
Don't take my word on any of this. Do the research. Google it.
1:11 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Do you mean the same Country (China) where Obama has some of his portfolio invested in?
1:18 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Don, I am sure even you will know the difference between mutual funds than owning companies whose purpose it is to support Communist China for personal gain.
Nose Wayne
1:13 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Me personally, I would rather have Mickey,Minnie,Pluto and Goofy in the debate because all of us feel that wonderful "change" we were promised, we are all going to Disneyland.
1:19 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I don't think either one of them won. They both acted like school children and if either one of them brings up bulling they better look it up in the dictionary. They are nothing but bullies yet they preach about bulling in schools. Oh Please. These two ought to be ashamed of themselves.
1:20 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
What middle class family has a $200,000.00 horse used as an aid for physical therapy for Ann Romney's MS? And he claims, that he knows the struggles of the working poor and middle class? Romney meant every word of the 47% entitlement comment he made to the millionaire donors...he was insulting, derogatory, demoralizing, and had a complete lack of empathy for the average American which he equated as a "freeloader." Our elderly, our veterans, the working poor, the unemployed. If he really did not mean that the 47% were freeloaders, why did he not say that he was going to do everything in his power to assist them? He did not! The proof is in the pudding. There is absolutely no gray area with that comment, no justifcation, no debate.
2:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
What does the cost of a horse have to do with anything? The most expensive horse ever sold was around 15 million. Horses are expensive. Why is it liberals always care how people spend their own money? Put up the money Romney has donated to charity against Obama and Biden together.
As for physical therapy, here in Atlantic County, a big story was the possible closing of an equestrian center that hosted a therapy program for kids with autism, cerebral palsy, MS, downs syndrome. I dont know why equestrian therapy works but it does, at least according to the people who dont want to see the center close, and if the Romneys can afford it, so what? The Obamas are also very rich - does that mean they dont understand the middle class or the poor? Do you think poor people want to stay poor and never hope to get richer?
Romney's 47% comment has been so distorted by this time there is no point trying to argue it with someone so obviously determined to vote for Obama.
Donna Griffin
11:59 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
AML - Horse therapyHippotherapy is available in NJ for even those on Medicaid. It is fairly effective as well.
1:21 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
So Earl Gray, we should vote for Obama who has a chance in hell to get anything accomplished because he will not get the house or the split senate vote so we will have another 4 years of NOTHING, Obama has DONE NOTHING in 4 years but provide us with a BS Obama care bill that is useless to those who are unemployed and cannot afford to live, oh but wait we will pay for them. Note, To all those who choose not to work (lazy people) or cannot not find work OBAMA will be sending you checks for the next 4 years and guess what other people who work hard will pay for it and if he has his way the 1% will pay for it. Who is greedier, the people who make the money or the people who do nothing to earn yet take money from others?
stewart resmer
1:47 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
CBS 37% Obama 30 Romney
PPP 48% Obama 44 Mitt Romney
Survey USA 58% Obama 32 Romney
Battle Ground Poll Obama Swing States Obama 58 38 Romney
I dont make the polls I just report them, but judging from last night? Romney is toast.
Donna Griffin
12:12 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Stewart - Today's Gallup Poll has Romney up 50% to Obama's 46%. Real Clear Politics, which averages all polls, has voters indicating the nation is on the wrong track by 55%. That number, I think, says much more about how votes will trend on Election Day than anything else. Ironically, 71% of Americans, according to Rasmussen, believe voters should be required to present photo IDs at their polling places. I don't believe that Romney did anything to lose a single vote in the debate. I think that Obama has set himself up for some tough questions in the upcoming debate on foreign policy - particularly since Candy Crowley has backtracked on her statement concerning Libya. It'll be fun to watch, but I think that there are far fewer "undecideds" at this point than one would be led to think.
Earl Gray
6:05 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Should I be bullied by a congress that is in the pocket of foreign lobbyists?
The people that were against this are anti (American) business. The people that were for this bill are Pro America. PERIOD!!!
If we let them have the country without a fight, ALL of our manufacturing will be gone JUST like this
If we don't make anything, we import everything. if we do that.. We are TOAST.
If we learned anything from WWII, it should have been, keep the ability to manufacture in your own country... (That is if you are concerned about country over company)
Donna Griffin
9:48 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Cut and paste is dangerous in the hands of children.
1:37 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Um, Stewart. You there? The GALLUP: R 51% O 45% is the current polling for who is in the lead to win the Presidency. Wake up will ya?
make my day
1:30 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney won. Obama lies to the people to hide his and his admin incompetents. First he lied about calling the attack a "terrorist attack" on the first day after. He went on numerous shows and to the UN that it was the result of the "youtube" video. The UN Ambassator Ms. Rice also stated it was the result of the video. She cannot go on Sunday morning shows saying an opinion without the OK from top white house advisors. Now that this is being investigated, who DENIED SECURITY, WHY AMBASSATOR STEVENS WAS NOT PROTECTED SINCE THE CONSOLATE WAS ATTACKED TWICE IN THE LAST FEW MONTHS. Why on the 9/11 anniversary they. were not on alert. The obama/biden admin has been caught lying and now they accuse the Republicans of "playing politics". What a sorry excuse for a President. November cannot come fast enough!
make my day
1:37 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Ms. Candy Crowley sided with obama, then she back tracked when it was too late. Once again "MAIN STREAM MEDIA" comes to obamas rescue. Then Michelle obama started clapping which was against the rules during the debate, which shows that the Obamas feel that rules do NOT apply to them.
Earl Gray
2:08 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Baloney... Romney bullied her and wouldn't let up, so she let him hang himself....
Crowley was right and Obama said exactly what he said he did in the Video.... and Romney was to stupid to even see it, asking her to repeat it.... Foisted on his own petard as they say... Romney SQUARELY got egg on his face in that process... The general rule is, If you are going to be pushy... you had better be right... He wasn't....right....PERIOD... And that is a really bad thing in front to 30 million people...
That HAS to be one of the great debate blunders of all time. It will NO DOUBT be in the (for gods sake don't do this) reals played before future debates...
The funny thing is watching people that keep bringing it up, when the whole thing (including the press conference) is on video, making a BAD losing argument...... Damage control at its best....
Earl Gray
12:34 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
She didn't side with Obama. She sided with the truth. She also didn't back track, but rather defended what she did after... Juts like everybody SWEARING Romney won (at first) reality will set in on this also... Prepare for a bout of depression...
She was right. Romney was wrong. Get over it cry babies... Wow.. I have never seen so much poor losing whiners in my entire life...
When you are a republican and Karl Rove says you lost... You really lost...
Man up... Your guy committed a gaffe. He lost. Get over it.. And move on...
1:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney's "1" Point plan doesn't add up, he adds $7 Trillion to the deficit & then reluctantly giving out details is "sketchy" and Suspicious. I hope Americans demand more Details out of Romney long before they vote. The only way for Romney to maintain his $250,000 tax cut promise to the wealthy is to cut Veterans Benefits, Nursing Home Medicaid Payments, Medicare, Education, College Loans, and to gut the protections to the Environment.
2:40 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
False. Do some research Tonto. Also, I notice you didn't say anything about Obama's non-existent plan for the next four years.
Pete Mock
3:00 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Jarhead, when you say someone has made a false statement it's usually good practice to follow that with some manner of proof that it's false. The research you want Tonto to do, he/she has done. It's up to you to do your own research to counter his/her argument. I check back later to see if you've done any.
From what I know of the subject, the Romney campaign has given as little detail as they can about his tax plan, and even those on the right that support it have had to fill in the blanks for themselves when trying to explain how it will work. "Trust us" is not the basis for economic policy, and the way Romney changes positions I challenge even his supporters to know what he will do if he gets into office.
3:14 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Why? He didn't provided any supportive information, so why should I? Considering I've been following Romney's arguements about veterans programs on a vet website, AND am used to Tonto's uninformed posts, I figured I'd just remind him that he still hasn't stated any facts.
What's Obama's plan for the next four years? Has he announced it yet? More debt and blaming the previous administration? Also, what did he mean in Russia when he said he's have "more lattitude when he was reelected?"
Why can't he ever seemingly answer the question he's asked? Was it that he got used to media bias towards him? Did you know that Romney was correct in his numbers concerning oil production on public land? Obama's answer was false. Yea, if anyone should be suspect here, it is our President.
oh bummer
3:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Jarhead here are some facts
OBAMA's budget doesn't add up
Let's review basic math
Income = $2.5 TRILLION
Expenses = $4 TRILLION
Earl Gray
4:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Exactly right tonto...
And Obama's plan? It has been there since was elected (including updates) Though I would agree it is tough to get to... You have to click on a link on his web site...Yahh I know that's tough..
It even has math and everything... And the math actually adds UP!! Yes I know that's different for you. It's an accounting thing...
make my day
2:07 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Gallup .... Romney 51% Obama 45%
Pole among likely voters.
Earl Gray
3:46 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama +5 in Ohio.... No republican has ever been elected president without us...
And... Romney/Ryan won't take their own home states... The more you know them...
stewart resmer
2:26 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Billy Graham website admits scrubbing 'Mormons' from 'cult' list after endorsing Romney
J.D. Luke
2:35 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I don't think Billy Graham would like my far more inclusive list of what I consider to be cults.
Earl Gray
4:47 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Yes.. by all means.. let me explain to my fellow Christians, why I want you to vote for a Mormon, over a Christian.... And all those tears it was all about religion?
The old south is still alive!!
make my day
2:33 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Its amazing that Obama knew Candy had the transcript of his speech from the rose garden. I would say that this "question" was planted.
Pete Mock
2:53 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
simple, you're reaching with that. Anyone in the media not living under a rock is aware of the word games being played on this subject. I'd say she'd be remiss if she wasn't aware of the debate going on over the Libya attack and who said what and when.
Earl Gray
4:49 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Bwa ha ha ha...
it was ROMNEY that pushed it....
I know... they transmitted the thought into Romney's head!!!... LOL!!
Should have kept that aluminum foil hat on after all....
2:49 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I can't stand either one of them and frankly, I believe our founding fathers are spinning in their graves. They are both liars and world class BS'ers . All they want is power. And Robert Menenedez, a wold class liar and panderer is right in there also, even if he is running for another office. I wish we had better choices. All of us who work so hard to pay our way deserve better. I wish the Patch would stop running the Menendez ads, they literally make me sick. I think I will stop signing on to the Patch until after the election.
oh bummer
3:41 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Exactly....what is Menendez doing for the middle class?
Does borrowing money from China to fund trilllion dollar deficits help the middle class?
Joey Bagdano
3:12 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Gallup: Romney Up 51-45%,
Proving Biden Lost Debate
All we heard after the vice presidential debate last Thursday night was how much good the cackling, slightly unbalanced Joe Biden had done for an Obama campaign that had been rocked by Mitt Romney's overwhelming performance in the first presidential debate. Well, now we know that just isn't the case. Since the debate, Gallup shows Romney moving from a two-point lead to a six-point lead. Today, Romney beats the president 51-45%. State polls, which are always lagging indicators, have also shown movement towards Mitt Romney. Absolutely nothing we've seen in those numbers indicates that Joe Biden's classless, childish, buffoonish debate
Earl Gray
4:52 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Here is the poll that matters....
You know that's true.... Never been a republican president with out Ohio...
3:30 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Who cares who won? Nothing's going to change with the election of either.
Joey Bagdano
3:37 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Your right, nothing changed whehn Reagan was elected (after an abysmal 4 years of Carter which are eerily similar to present 4 years).
Earl Gray
4:54 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
It sure changed when we got George Bush....
Don't make THAT mistake again.... Romney (Bush 2 the sequel)
3:31 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Lol.. someone indicated Obama being 'Hollywood'.. I'm sorry, where did Reagan begin his career?
Joey Bagdano
3:40 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Reagan was an actor, so what. Hollywood hated him as President. Hollywood loves Obama. So what. I cant stand their sanctimonious opinions (while driving past low income housing in their limos) anyways and if I listen to them on how to vote then I deserve what I get. FWIW, Bon Jovi and Springsteen cheat NJ Taxes by growing apples and bee farms on their property so, yeah, I dont care a crap about them and their pleas to be nice to the poor.
Earl Gray
5:01 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"Hollywood hated him as President"
You obviously weren't around....I was, and you are WAY wrong....
Reagan not only was a favorite of Hollywood... He also won California (which VERY Few republicans have done)
Donna Griffin
4:42 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl Gray - A ham sandwich could have beaten Jimmy Carter. California is a lost cause for Republicans (and apparently for those who are fleeing the defunct state in droves). They clearly feel that they are undertaxed and misunderstood. Let Obama keep their bankrupt electoral votes.
3:42 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Let me ask everyone in the 50-54 yr age range making about $50-60K. Are you ready to be Romney's guinea pigs in the Republican new world order of no more Medicare or Social Security? How much money do you have saved up to supplement those vouchers you'll be given? Look at your parents. Do you want to be 90 years old and shopping for a better deal on your surgery? Are you ready to lose everything you've already put into the social contract so the wealthy get more tax breaks? Will you be able to make all that up in savings in the next 10-15 years? Good luck if you think you will under a Mitt Romney presidency. His entire career has been sacrificing people like you to enrich people like him. The attitude he presented at the debate was that of an arrogant plutocrat unwilling to play by the rules or listen to anyone else. He was dismissive and disrespectful. That may be a good trait for a CEO but not the leader of a country.
Joey Bagdano
3:47 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Let me ask everyone in the 50-54 yr age range making about $50-60K. How you like paying $4/gal gas; Watching govt wast billions on green energy companies which have filed bankruptcy; paying billions in tax dollars to prop up unions in Detroit (GM); Watching our govt officials killed by al queda and a Presdient afraid to say it was terrorism and instead blames us (an american fil maker). If so, then vote for Obama. He'll give you tons more of this crap.
4:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Joey, how did you like paying $4 per gallon in the summer of 2008 when Bush the oil guy was president?
You can drill all you want in the USA, but unless you nationalize the oil industry you cannot keep that oil in the USA. It goes to who wants to pay the most. That was the problem of the pipeline. It would have come through our country and right out of it to the highest buyer.
Romney's great world tour ( raising money for himself from foreigners BTW) was a big flop. His arrogance insulted even our closest allies. His demeanor is not to work with others no matter what his lips say.
And Joey, as you learned from Ms Crowley, the President did call it terrorism. Be happy Obama put us in a position where Big Bird can be the biggest enemy of the Republicans.
10:44 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Crowley was proved wrong in a post debate interview. I think it was Anderson Cooper that showed her she was wrong and she admitted she was wrong.
make my day
3:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obamas words were:"no terrorist attack", NOT "THIS WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK". and why did he(obama) go to the UN, UNIVISION, THE VIEW, ETC.for 2 weeks after the attack blaming the "OFFENSIVE YOUTUBE VIDEO"? Also Ms. Rice, HILARY CLINTON both made their appearances on MSM claiming the protest against the video "got out of hand". They defense dept saya they knew within 24 hrs it was a terrorist attack. Obama is incompetent and lies.
Earl Gray
5:14 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
So at a press conference about an attack on our embassy in Libya... Obama was talking about the attack, and said...
"No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values we stand for. Today we mourn four Americans"
So what the he__ are you talking about again? How does it feel looking yourself in the mirror when you know you are lying trying to make a cheap political point and you are talking about brave men who gave their lives for this country?
Joey Bagdano
11:41 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Yeah, he meant it in regard to the Benghazi attack. Thats why he said for two weeks it was a pre-meditated attack by al queda on 9/11 anniversary. Oh wait, he didnt. He blamed an american film maker. So did Rice. So did Hillary. They even spent $70000 taxpayer money making an apology commercial to be played to mulsims.
4:05 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
LOL, Yah Mitt
Before Monsanto became the agricultural giant it is today, the company's major product used to be PCBs, which it routinely dumped in rivers and open pits while deliberately attempting to hide the damage. The company managed to survive the many lawsuits from poisoned communities and distance itself from its toxic past — largely thanks to the help of Mitt Romney.
For get the debates! Do a little research of your own.
10:27 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
A River in Louisiana is red (like in China) because of the toxins from the Monsanto plant. Of course, they put the factories in poor areas, so no one will be missed when they die of cancer. Thanks for providing that info on Mitwit and Monsanto. I will be researching that.
10:43 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Check it out for yourself, I have been fighting this with calls. Obama's food bill is not safe...
Meet Monsanto's number one lobbyist: Barack Obama
Obama, Monsanto and Farm Bill pushing for GMO foods August 2012
make my day
4:20 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Yeah and obama goes before muslim nations and apoligizes for American atrocities against their nations. What a joke! Yet we are rebuilding their schools, training their military, giving them millions in aid every year. Our military men & women put their lives on the line everyday for these people and they thank us by killing our ambassator and 3 marines. Disgraceful!
4:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
The families of these people do not want their deaths politicized. What type of respect are you showing?
Earl Gray
6:57 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
LIAR!! Now that is the second time here I have caught you in an outright LIE!!
Have you no soul?
Show me a link (transcript or video) of ANY time that Obama has "apologized" to the "muslim world".
Come to think of it, given the that fact that 300,000 Iraqi's died in the most ridiculous war in history that we caused....Maybe he should have apologized to them on behalf of George Bush who is in hiding...
Earl Gray
12:50 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Lying over and over doesn't make it come true... That was a lie last time you said it, and it still is...
You guys have no morals... Notice this independent voters...
Joey Bagdano
11:43 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Your unhinged Earl but you asked for it: Obama/Clinton Run $70,000 Apology Ad in Pakistan http://www.americanthinker.com/video/2012/09/obamaclinton_run_70000_apology_ad_in_pakistan.html
Earl Gray
6:14 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Joey Bagdano
If I am unhinged... Then I would say you are missing the entire door...
And other than the commentary of the right wing blog (and you) using the word apology, how is that apologizing for the American Government again?
Rufus O'Callahan
4:28 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama's a proven failure, as anyone knows based on the cold hard facts. But so is Romney. Read it and weep: 34% job approval, increasing debt, spending & taxes, 47th in the nation in job creation, and of course the law that forces you to list proof of health insurance on your state income tax form, and fines if you don't have it. That's all bad enough, but this clown wants to expand our overseas military presence, keep the war on drugs going, allow the Federal Reserve to operate as it always has, and maintain the unfair tax code that we have. It should come as no surprise that we will continue to move in the wrong direction if Mittens should become our President. Aren't you getting a little bit sick and tired of voting for the lesser of two evils?
4:29 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
To all of the Obama supporters: Ever wonder why the wife of Univision's head was offered an ambassadorship? Read this link because our president's support for the Attorney General through his scandal means he is also responsible for this. I want you Obama supporters to look at these pictures and read this article. If I see no responses after this post, we can presume that you are proud of your handiwork. 'Nuff said. http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/01/univision-report-connects-operation-fast-and-furious-scandal-to-murders-of-mexican-teenagers/
Nj Ghost
4:49 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Room monitor: Thread closed.....Posting is discontinued!!!!!!
Brian Holt
5:06 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I don't know who won, but I know who lost....America.
Earl Gray
6:51 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Nope... Romney lost... America did good... (at least the middle class part of it)
5:30 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
9:30 PM Tonight! If you support Obama, make sure you drive with your headlights turned on! It will show everyone you support the President!
9:51 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
and from 10pm - 6am drive with them off to show that out of the darkess Obama will lead you to where it is you are destined.
5:57 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama had a slam dunk. If you didn't know that last night, you know today because of all the whining and squealing going on. I know I'm going to remember Romney's inability to stick to time limits, and his rudeness to the moderator, the President, and the crowd. He acted like an arrogant CEO who doesn't need to listen to anybody. I'm going to remember his belief that he understands women because he let female employees leave on time to go cook dinner. I'm going to remember his lie that he initiated a search for qualified female candidates in Massachusetts for his cabinet, when in reality a bipartisan women's group had prepared a list of qualified candidates for whomever won the Governorship. And Romney just appointed women to those positions he cared about the least. He flat out lied about his "binders full of women." His bizarre fixation with the evolving situation in Libya just gets worse every time he opens his mouth. Any reasonable American can accept that intelligence evolves, and the President and State Department may have more reasons to say what they say than they can share with the public. Murders aren't solved overnight, especially when they occur across the globe in nations full of terrorists. By the end of the evening, Romney was just wandering around repeating his old talking points ... it was sad, really.
7:37 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Don't be so disrespectful to your future President. Everyday new numbers show he is gaining in every category.
Do you really expect people to believe Obama is not capable of playing politics with foreign affairs? If Obama really did say on 9/12 that the incident in Libya was an act of terror [which he didn't] then why did his U.N. Ambassador go on 5 different Sunday news shows and insist it was not terrorism but an out of control mob because of a movie? One of the ladies on the View asked Obama and he said we don't know, yet.
5:59 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Oh, and for such a self-professed business whiz, why didn't Romney know a boatload of qualified women to appoint to his Cabinet in Massachusetts? Maybe because he is a big phony. That Massachusetts residents hated by the time he left office. Loser.
7:42 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Maybe because he need women with different backgrounds and skills for government positions rather than the corporate world.
Now, if were Obama it wouldn't mater. He'd just put any of his old buddies from his "organizing" days into positions and let them learn on the job. Maybe that's why his policies have done nothing good and he needs 4 more years. He surrounded himself with slow learners.
Earl Gray
12:52 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Yahhh right... Women... notice how the republicans treat you?
6:43 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I bet the New York Times said Obama won. We can really trust them and their CEO to be honest. Read this: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/bbc-scandal-creates-waves-incoming-york-times-ceo-050221021--finance.html
6:46 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Tea Partiers Intimidate Romney therefore he can't take a stand on anything!
7:00 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Both are just puppets. Marionettes. Their strings are pulled by the invisable industrial
world powers who don't want to take all the chit by being the POTUS, they just want to tell him/her what to do. It's a farce.
Earl Gray
7:25 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Well you are half right.... I think Mitt has had an electronic remote control installed from the Koch brothers though (not strings)
They are twin brothers, and sometimes fight over the remote, which explains Mr. Romney's answer last night to the question of how do you get rid of automatic weapons such as AK-47's? Get married? Is that even an answer?
7:02 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Change the Constitytion. Jefferson wrote (No, not George) that it shuld be changed every 19 year to keep up with the times. Forget one POTUS. One for Economics. One for Defense. One for Social Issues. etc.
make my day
9:00 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
O@earl gray: freebeacon.com/five-times-obama-has-apoligized-for-america/
April 3,2009 strasbourg, france
April 6,2009 ankara turkey - turkish parliament
April 17,2009 summit of the americas
10:39 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"During an appearance on CNN's Starting Point on Monday, Rep. Peter King (R-NY) could not explain when President Obama "apologized" for the United States, despite repeatedly claiming that he went on an "apology tour" across the Middle East shortly after becoming president."
It was fact checked. I'll just call you simple The above was only one of many articles I could have used.
Since violence broke out across the region, Republicans have charged that Obama's "defeatist" policies have caused the unrest and contributed to the death of Libyan ambassador Christopher Stevens. But pressed to detail where Obama has apologized for America by CNN host Soledad O'Brien, King came up short:
O'BRIEN: Never once in that speech, as you know, which I have the speech right here. that was — he never once used the word "apology." He never once said "I'm sorry."
Earl Gray
12:56 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Typical... a right wing blog... and the link doesn't even work...
I did find this though..
"The Washington Free Beacon, a project of the 501(c)4 Center for American Freedom, is a nonprofit online newspaper that began publication on February 7, 2012. Dedicated to uncovering the stories that the professional left hopes will never see the light of day"
Need I say more?
Joey Bagdano
11:45 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Your unhinged Earl but you asked for it: Obama/Clinton Run $70,000 Apology Ad in Pakistan http://www.americanthinker.com/video/2012/09/obamaclinton_run_70000_apology_ad_in_pakistan.html
9:10 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney will win, and when he does he will crush his enemies, see them driven before him, and hear the lamentations of their women!
Pete Mock
11:26 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
WILL THERE BE SMITING? It's been far too long since we've had any good quality smiting around these parts.
Earl Gray
8:41 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
No..He is president....If you cant tell the difference...
Fred M
10:30 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I don't understand how anyone with only 4 years exp as a politician can become President of the United States...Any corporation in the world wouldn't let anyone ever be president of their co with 4 years total expirence . How did this happen?
10:47 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
facve it people elected a person they thought that on the job training would be beneficial after all Obama is a Harvard alumni so he should (have been) be a fast learner but then again this ain't flippin' burgers at a BK or McD's
Earl Gray
1:01 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
They didn't. Obama was a senator for 12 years before running for president...
4:21 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl, I see you love the way Obama likes to communicate. Responding to someone who says Obama has little experience, 4 years, you say Obama had 12 years experience. He was a Ill. State senator for most of that time. Either you knew that and are trying to mislead us like Obama or you are uninformed yourself, again like Obama.
Earl Gray
8:52 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Lets recap shall we?
The original post: "I don't understand how anyone with only 4 years exp as a politician can become President "
Mt response: "They didn't. Obama was a senator for 12 years before running for president..."
And now you weigh in with this gem: "Obama had 12 years experience. He was a Ill. State senator for most of that time. Either you knew that and are trying to mislead us like Obama or you are uninformed yourself"
Obama was a state senator for 3 terms. He then became a US senator for two terms, and then president. of the unites states, where he won a Nobel peace prize.
That is of course after being a constitutional law professor, attorney, and Magna cum Laude graduate of Harvard, having prior served as president of the law review there.....
In fact... why am I even typing this? Here read yourself...
Any questions?
Donna Griffin
4:37 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl Gray - Obama was a US Senator for less than 4 years before becoming president....not 12.
Earl Gray
6:18 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Donna Griffin
US Senator for 4, State Senator for 8..
I posted a link to his whole biography for heavens sake... Read...
lunch bucket joe
12:11 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
A state senator then a US senator? Earl Grey are you joking?
5:49 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
People who are not as well informed as you and I know Obama was a U.S. Senator but a State Senator. Those people reading what you wrote would think you mean he was a U.S. Senator for 12 years. Misleading. Normal for Obama supporters. Obama moved to D.C., unpacked his bags, gave a speech and was suddenly our savior.
10:43 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Like Kiryllos, a state sen. running for US Sen. (but in NJ it won't turn out well for the Repugnant).
10:45 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Running the country is a bit more involved than running a "vulture" capital venture. You can't just outsource those pesky problems and victims you don't want to deal with. You know that 47% who Mitt thinks believe themselves to be victims: Seniors, disabled, vets, Military personnel serving overseas, etc.
10:55 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I wonder how many disapprove of John Kerry when he was running for President? Kerry is one of the wealthiest members, who's wife is the heiress of the Heinz fortune.
: )
Earl Gray
1:05 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
It isn't being rich people have a problem with.. It is how Romney got rich that people have a problem with....
4:33 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl, I see you really do like the way Obama thinks. It's OK to be rich if you marry into money like Kerry or if your daddy was a bootlegger like Kennedy. As long as you assuage your guilt by claiming to care about the poor or middle class. But if you make it in the capitalist system you're a bad person. You must have cheated and stepped on the little guy.
Earl Gray
9:00 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Again.... slowly.....
I don't care if someone is rich... More power to them. fact is, I do alright myself....
My issue is what Romney has DONE.....
to get his money... and what he is DOING....
to make more.... and what he will DO to America, American Workers, and American businesses (like mine)..
10:53 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If Romney wins...he has very little political clout. Let's look at his record during the primaries: with all his money...in 4 states he couldn't even get 30% of the vote. Then when it came down to a two way race, he barely beat Santorum...
...and Washington DC is all about political power. . .and Romney doesn't have much of it. Also, depending on the outcome of Congressional races and the fiefdoms they spawn...could give Romney even more grid lock...trying to run the Government. . . or do you think it's all about same party labels down in the District of Corruption?
When your President, it's not like running Bain Capital. . .far from it! So be careful what you sow...other than winning...We had that with Obama. . .and now yous are all complaining. . .
10:54 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Apparently Patch allows more than one user to have the same screen name, as these comments from "Laura" are not mine.
11:56 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Yes, don't worry, Laura. It was pretty obvious to all of us that those comments were from the other Laura.
1:07 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
To Laura, I have the same issue. There is another KC. Tried to post this to reply to your comment but it wouldnt work tonight. Not sure if it is a site issue or another problem.
8:32 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Romney got this election in his pocket, attack attack attack. I do not want to see this country run by liberals, I have suffered a tremendous loss in bonuses the last 3 years.
Obama is trying to get women's votes, but Republican women know better, they leave it up to men to make the decisions, and that is why men have the high level jobs, so that they can go home and raise the kid, help them with homework, get dinner and other household matters taken care of.
Who cares what the world thinks, how many people from all over the world still want to vacation here in the USA, try to leave here illegally, and watch our action movies? I said it all right there. If it wasn't for Big businesses there won't be any working class, and what the liberals are doing is make the Big businesses turn into small businesses, because they won't be making the big money any more.
This country has to become Republican, this is the only party that will make this country a success especially for Corporations. Republicans have to take control and continue to attack the fail efforts of the Liberals, I want to see a map of only red states, and I like what I am seeing now when I turn on FOX, it is the only station I watch and I a proud supporter to my party, for every mistake we made, the Liberals errors were a lot worse.
Earl Gray
9:03 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Please read the above post, and notice he is a Romney supporter. And a typical one at that.
Do you REALLY want to be in that club?
11:03 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
OH, Earl. You aren't really this slow, are you? Or do you really think we are that stupid? As I said earlier. Obama pulled the negative adds. They didn't work. This guy Dboc isn't real. He's a liberal plant trying to sound like your fantasy Republican.
Romney supporters are real people who are tried of Obama failures. Many tried Obama, once. They see it was all a fantasy. Let go of the make believe.
Earl Gray
6:21 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Yah huh.... No... He is yours,
I am surprised you don't claim him...MANY on here have said much worse..
I just didn't point them out to voters...
Joe I
8:37 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Pretty clear to me Obama cannot get dems and republicans to work together so i say time for a change. Also, foreign policy.....weak and cutting military when the world is so unstable! Come on open your eyes, gov. Run healthcare? What does the gov. Run well? Step up and be leaders, we are the USA have some pride! Or follow the weak current leadership and be owned by China.
10:32 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Joe I- if you read my post above. . .what makes you think Romney is going to be any more successful. . .because he's a (R)epublican!
Tee Smyth
2:10 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Kind of hard to work with someone who admits that his primary mission is to not get you re-elected.
8:38 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obama on open mic (promising Russians he'll be more flexible AFTER his reelection WITH OUR MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTME!)
Michelle Obama "All that for that damn flag" - trashes our flag at 9/11 ceremony (check out the disdain on her face after she says it)
Why would you trust these two?
8:45 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Let us make this entire country made of RED states. No more Liberals. We have the funds already Obama is not telling the truth. Romney will secure over 80,000,000 jobs in two terms. We will not have any working class, by then the working class will be making the money people like myself make.
The way to win this election is to attack the liberals. I said it before and will say it again, do not worry what the plans are when Romney win this election, just think of the errors these Liberals made.
The surplus we will make under Romney after 2 years will support troops in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan and handle the issues between Israel and Palestine and the issue we have in Iran for 75 years or more. We can drill and use the oil money here to take care of Americans and support the troops efforts to bring peace to our Israeli allies, Iraquis, Pakistanis and Afghanistans.
Joe I
8:47 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
This country is to diverse for the plan he thinks he has to work ( obama), this country was built on capitalism! He is working directly against that idea. Do not think for 1 min. The wealthy he wants to after will not leave or find other loop holes. The poor do not care there life stays the same, the wealthy will run.....quess who gets the shaft, all of us reading this comment, the middle class.
8:52 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
@ Joe I, middle class? I don't consider myself middle class. You are not working hard enough, you call yourself middle class you are already saying you are a failure. I do not have any friends making money less than 6 figures a year and bonuses under $15K a year, Under Obama that was my annual bonus I was looking to double and triple it the last 3 years. The recession hurt me tremendously.
8:58 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obamacare equals death panels?
Obama on open mic (promising Russians he'll be more flexible AFTER his reelection WITH OUR MISSILE DEFENSE SYSTME!)
Michelle Obama "All that for that damn flag" - trashes our flag at 9/11 ceremony (check out the disdain on her face after she says it)
Why would you trust these two?
8:58 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Rich people made the middle class, and working class. The middle class and working class become people on welfare when they listen to the Liberals. I have middle class acquaintances, not friends, I get them to help win their working class friends to become Republicans by saying how the Liberals are ruining the country.
This is how Big businesses become successful, watch how Politicians answer and handle questions, this is how you become rich EVERYTIME. I have done it for years, so did my parents and grandparents and it works everytime.
We do not know what will happen tomorrow, so why be concerned what Romney's plans are when he is in office? Again, it is a win win if Romney win for big Corporations, a lose situation if the Liberals are still in office, now is the time for middle and working class to work together and make the country all made up of RED states!!!
10:35 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Dboc-you better go read some history. . .what created the middle class was labor!
10:47 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Read history? I saw history, I saw what the liberals did that is why I don't want to see the past. I want to see the future. We all want to be rich like Bloomberg, Adelson, Trump, Wynn, those big guys, being Republican is thinking forward, when you are in my shoes and only getting a sorry $15,000 year bonus because of this recession brought on by Obama you will understand.
Joe I
9:03 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I make mid 200's sorry that is middle class in NJ with the way things are. 15k bonus is nothing more than a week long vacation in the Islands. Not a lot of money today. The recession pinched me also. Obama is not the answer. Just my opinion.
9:05 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Americans, it is time to make this country Republican. Big business created and sustain the working and middle class. Liberals are holding back the country. Spread the word for a Romney win. My congratulatory response after the Romney win next month.
9:18 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Sorry, Joe, then you are in the same boat I am in. I am frustrated with $15,000 year bonuses the taxes on it is horrendous. If anything I see us as the working class, if Liberals continue to run the country, I hate to say it but talking about it now I can see what it is like to be working class. I would like to make Romney money. I like the high quality of life, and I have a lot to worry about if Liberals continue to be in Congress.
If you ask me we should do away with American cars. I do not drive American cars, they are inferior, the billions they were given to survive and they still cannot run as good as foreign cars. I love and own several swedish and german cars ;-)
9:27 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Very sad but true statement about American cars. I would love nothing more than to be able to buy American cars. But I am unwilling to give up quality and longevity to do that.
J.D. Luke
9:46 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh at "the taxes on it is horrendous". Our Federal tax burdens have been going down, not up, for decades. During the past few years we've even had large (albeit temporary) cuts in payroll taxes as well. Just what in the heck are you whining about?
9:36 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
American cars are like liberals, no quality or longevity there... that is why we should all get with the Republican party. No offense to the unions, but are they Republicans? I am just saying.
Here in America, Bloomberg, Romney money should be the middle class. To not see this is saying you are disillusioned, you are out of touch, and loss hope on where you should be in life.
I tip people who work in Target, hotels, restaurants who are Republicans generously, but I remind them they can do better and remaining where they are for another year is just as bad as being a liberal.
George Clark
9:43 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Bengazi, however it's spelled, was most likely revenge. Just like mobs over here, when you kill their leaders or men, they whack you back. Why nobody sees this is beyond me. Also, these "freedom fighters" "alqueda" or whatever other name they hide behind or just like our thugs (GWBUsh) keeping control and taking money from the deceived niave masses the bully into submission. I think we trick ourselves by thinking these fighers are fighting us on principals any differnt from the ones used on us. Might makes right and take what you can get under any guise or guys. These poor people being tricked and taken advantage of, Middle east and America world wide etc.., are being tricked into thinking their true enemies or oppressors or in some far off land. They are right next to us and are us. That's why global societies will collapse again as they always have. Don't you see the future on our course? Just look in your history books. Go back to school all you college grads cause you missed the point.
9:52 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Look, Benghazi is the nail in the coffin to get the liberals out. It is sad what happened, but this came at the right time to pin the blame on the administration now to get Romney in place.
What we need now is money money money, we cannot survive if we have liberals in charge.
9:57 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
My message to all liberals posting, vote Republican. to Republicans working class, middle class and currently unemployed, especially unemployed Republicans, stay strong we will win this election from the liberals, and keep looking for jobs.
10:03 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Ridgewood Mom so you are better off personally in the last 4 years? But what "change" has Obama brought for all of us? You talk about caring for the people, what really has Obama done for the American people? Nothing and what does the community service organizer Obama know about political budgets? Nothing, seriously the only "change" he gave the American people and American history, was himself, the first President who is half black which was the ticket along with "change" that he ran on. I think that was great for our country but he had 4 years to do something beneficial and he hasn't, it is time to leave.
10:13 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT IS A FEW MONTHS AWAY. I predict a Republican country by 2014. The Democratic party will be gone forever.
Project Bluebeam
10:19 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Thank God, America is waking up! Obama is toast.
Joe I
10:47 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Dboc, i am with you. Problem is we r seen as wealthy. That is why Obama will fail, you cannot clump everyone together.
11:08 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Dboc, Don't forget about our plans to eat their young and rape their women.
Your fantasy Republican posting was cute once. Now you're like the nerd who keeps repeating the same joke over and over and over.
Negative adds don't work. You can't tell us what good Obama has done. Give it up.
11:10 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I have never voted Democrat in my life. To call me a Democrat is saying you know me. I am on here to state my piece, but if you want to call me a Democrat plant, you are entitled to exercising your first amendment right. You can also call me an illegal alien if you like, words don't hurt me, taking away my rights however, hurts.
11:17 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Americans heard Obama admit his failure during the debate and then ask to be put on the payroll for another 4 years - I sincerely doubt that anyone wants to pad Barrack, Michelle, Milia and Sasha's pockets for another 4 years while we all struggle on a broken economy. I have faith those same americans will puch the right button on election day regardless of what any of them are saying now.
Single Mom for Romney & Ryan 2012
Earl Gray
11:35 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Americans heard Romney admit that he doesn't care about you if you are not wealthy in his own words on the secret 47% tape. They then saw him tell women they should get married, go home, have kids, and make dinner. All while his party has obstructed our recovery for their political gain. They are for foreign businesses, not American businesses. All you have to do is look up the "bring jobs home act" and you can see who is on your side.
Business man for Obama/Biden 2012
2:23 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
What!? You are an idiot. Who cares if you are a business man. Since you say you are more towards the 1% perhaps when you do reach that level, when they start to tax you more and you work just as hard as the next person, let us know what you think, okay?
2:25 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The bring the jobs home act is a sham.
If they tie a location (ie, the move must be domestic) to the tax write off that allows these corporation to deduct moving their jobs/infrastructure overseas, then it might stop the flow of movement. I doubt it though- these companies are saving millions going overseas, the tax writeoff is icing on an already delicious cake.
11:42 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
You are entitled to assume who I am, I already stated what I am and what I believe, if I were to believe you are from the newjersey swamp and a fool, or if you are transgender, male or female, I will just simply let you rant and carry on, I am above what you are. I am not here to please anyone, but simply leave my opinions that are plain and simple mine.
11:46 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Romney didn't Ask for the "Binder of Women", it was already in his possession before he was elected Gov. because the Women's Organizations presented to both candidates.
Joe I
11:51 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
47 percent who pay no income tax!!!??? You think that is ok? It is not class warfare, it is about getting off ur ass and working. You should be on programs if u r sick, disabled, elderly ect. Not just because they are available. Not everyone should own a home and not everyone should have as many kids as they want! The government has created leaches and it can't shake em free. The USA was built by immigrants that would be ashamed of what we have become.
11:57 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
47% pay payroll tax, pay sales tax & guess those taxes are don't count & are invisible to Romney & Ryan.
12:00 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
When Romney takes away student loans here's the solution: Ask Mommy & Daddy for the money just like he did. The average student loan balance in US today is $27,000. Again easy solution per Romney, just ask Mommy & Daddy.
Joe I
12:06 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Where do u get ur info? Take away freddie mac and fannie mae aint gonna happen my friend.
Joe I
12:07 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Let me break out my violin, vote Obama tonto. Do you pay income tax, did ypu go to school and rack up debt for years? Borrow and work hard to live well? I will be paying student loans till i die. Sorry if i do not want to be dragged down by free daycare, food, housing ect. By abled body workers who do not work!
Joe I
12:09 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
27k?? Rutgers is 25 per year, monmouth in 50k per year. I quess mom and dad are footing the bill already. Not a Romney idea
George Clark
12:17 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
All you big business guys, (republicans?), fail to see the danger of giving so much of our power to a few egomaniacs and very greedy people. Mansatos now owns 90% if not more of all food produced. Exxon, big coal and the like own much of the energy of this world's natural resources. We've put all our eggs into the baskets of the few and they aren't for good of mankind or any of you. They are for the good of them, the few. And we are all gonna find out, again the hard way, the dangers and disasters of this pyramid scheme. When this scheme collapses again world wide and they start ww3 to kill all us losers off. Never again go back to this scheme. That is the new world order God has been giving us from the start of this so called "civilization". I hope the next generations of slaves remembers these lessons we keep forgetting. Bury the history of this collapse in time capsules and in caves so generations can dig them up and forget why they were buried in the first place. Because they knew what was coming and so should we all.
Joe I
12:24 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Bankers and brokers were the crooks, not Republicans. Run the Gov. With regulations but like a business. Are there any wealthy Democrats?
Earl Gray
4:15 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
There are reasons why we went into the second largest crash in history JUST like the re are reasons we went into the depression. Please go read about the depression and what led up to it. The same basic reasons are why we went into this one. Totally free markets succumb to greed without control, and swing wildly, but when they go to low, they effect the real world, and don't come back quickly.
They got rid of to many regulations (that had been around since the late 1930's) and (Along with Wall St. greed) it resulted in the great recession.
Getting rid of the regulations, (glass steagal) that then allowed credit default swaps, elimination of the uptick rule, creation of bad loans, highly leveraged banks, etc. etc. caused this, and the remedy is to put the regulations back in place...
The republicans fought regulations back to the 30's and have "deregulated" every single chance they had. They are still fighting putting regulations back. ANY regulations!!!! Their mantra (again) has been that the free market is perfect and knows all. The fact is, that it doesn't and swings wildly on it's own, and it hurts people.
Alan Greenspan (former fed chair) who was presiding while the crash happened, famously admitted that he had thought free markets regulated themslves, and was terribly wrong...
This makes the republicans completely complicit in the ability of the crooks to be crooks... and in the destruction of Trillions of Americans dollars
Earl Gray
3:55 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Really? How do you explain this?
Joe I
12:29 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Clinton was a man-whore, so all Democrats should be the same. See how stupid it sounds. Bush was no great shakes so all Republicans are bad? Narrow minded!
12:49 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obama has failed to do anything except line his pockets the last 4 years! Now his plan is to con you into paying him for another 4...Are you blind, you must be.... Romney certainly does not need this presidency he's doing it to save our country to ensure his children and our children and future generations have a future period! The spin offs libs try and use against Romney are hysterical...they show your FEAR and ENVY at the same time ...Follow a failure or a success ? Come on now it's that simple...I bet even Obama laughs at you for believeing in him - laughs all the way to the bank that is !!!!!!!!!! Romney and Ryan 2012!
1:52 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Romney is running on giving himself a tax break, lining his own pockets and fleecing yours.
Earl Gray
4:18 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Romney wants to be president to one up his dad....
Problem is that his father is rolling over in his grave.. and would NOT be proud of what his son has become...
1:27 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Obama's provided a $3,600 tax cut 4 middle class, 18 tax breaks 4 small businesses, rescued Auto Industry & saved 1 million jobs, Averted a Depression with 20% Unemployment, Added 5.2 million jobs in the past 31 mod, Kept teachers, police officers & firefighters on the job, supported the Re-surgence of American Manufacturers who have added 500,000 jobs since Jan 2010, the strongest period of job growth SINCE 1989, Supports partnerships between comm. colleges & businesses to train workers with skills local employers need, NOT ROMNEY HAMBURGER FLIPPING JOBS.
2:20 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Putting jealousy aside for a second, do you really believe a family of 4 living off of $251,000/year in NJ or NY is upper class? You're talking about a family that is living in one of the most expensive regions of the country. There's no way that's upper class. So we're paying MORE taxes for what? The breaks should be regionalized.
Earl Gray
4:23 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The USA is not a corporation that only has to worry about the next quarter. We have been MUCH to short sited, selling ourselves out to China and India for greedy peoples short term gain.
We need to invest in our future here in the USA, Obama IS the man for that.
Romney will sell us to China.
5:09 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
A family of 4 making 251K (after all deductions) would be paying "extra" tax on 1K
make my day
2:04 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
10/18/12.....gallup: ROMNEY..52%
Earl Gray
4:39 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
And then there is the places that matter...
Ohio Rasmussen Reports Obama 49, Romney 48 Obama +1
Ohio SurveyUSA Obama 45, Romney 42 Obama +3
Michigan LE&A/Denno Research Obama 44, Romney 41 Obama +3
Minnesota KSTP/SurveyUSA Obama 50, Romney 40 Obama +10
Connecticut Hartford Courant/UConn Obama 51, Romney 37 Obama +14
Wisconsin Marquette University Obama 49, Romney 48 Obama +1
New Hampshire Rasmussen Reports Obama 50, Romney 49 Obama +1
Nevada LVRJ/SurveyUSA Obama 48, Romney 45 Obama +3
Nevada Rasmussen Reports Obama 50, Romney 47 Obama +3
New Jersey Neighborhood Research (R) Obama 48, Romney 41 Obama +7
Connecticut Siena Obama 53, Romney 38 Obama +15
Pennsylvania Quinnipiac Obama 50, Romney 46 Obama +4
Iowa WeAskAmerica Obama 49, Romney 46 Obama +3
New Jersey Quinnipiac Obama 51, Romney 43 Obama +8
2:08 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
These guys might both be shlubbs, but for God's sake they could be worse. Check out this video of Palpatine and Vaders run for office. http://youtu.be/qxADOTI5nEw
Their slogan, "We will restore order to this country!" Yeah, just like Lucas restored the Star Wars movies with that Jar Jar Binks character. Enjoy this campaign season!
2:11 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Dboc, you are pretending to be the liberal's fantasy Republican because you got nuttin'! For months all we heard was Romney was evil. It didn't work. Obama has pulled all his negative adds. Pollsters have pulled out of some battleground states because there is no way Obama can win them. Obama resisted doing the same because if he did then that would be news. But now things are so bad he is pulling out of some states and concentrating on a few must win states. Obama can't run on his record and he can't go negative on Romney. The only thing left is wild ideas and wild stories. But that just offends the few who are undecided. They aren't that stupid. If you really are a Romney guy you would have invested this much time and effort a long time ago when things were tight. But go ahead. Keep it up. Nobody believes your character from SNL. You'll push the few who are still undecided over to Romney.
6:27 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I never suggested undecided voters are weak. I did say they weren't stupid and could be insulted by such a lame stunt. Wouldn't you be insulted if a candidate thought you could be swayed by stunt or say a hunky actor telling you to vote a certain way?
Read what I said again. The undecided are NOT that stupid. But go ahead and insult their intelligence if you think that will get Obama a few votes.
7:33 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I agree. That's my point. If someone is still undecided are they going to vote for someone because a celebrity says so or because of some lame stunt? Take Bruce S. I like his music but I'm insulted if he thinks he can influence my vote. In fact I just sent more money to Romney BECAUSE Bruce did a show for Obama.
Earl Gray
11:11 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"Take Bruce S. I like his music but I'm insulted if he thinks he can influence my vote"
Really? You know I have seen your posts here, and for someone so opinionated, you sure are insulted easily...
Most people aren'tr as focused on the election as we here are. Many people know what Bruce is about, his history, etc. and I would guess a fair number of those people will respect what he thinks, and why he thinks it. if you have ever seen him live, he talks quite a bit about that......
4:59 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl, you are right. Insulted is too strong of a word. "Annoyed" would be better. Perhaps if someone is a Bruce fan and still undecided he could be swayed by Bruce. My point is an undecided voter could be annoyed some air head celebrity says vote for this guy. If they are undecided it is probably for a good reason. I would think a person struggling with who to vote for would be annoyed with a liberal pretending to be a Republican.
Earl Gray
10:22 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
"I would think a person struggling with who to vote for would be annoyed with a liberal pretending to be a Republican"
Or like Mitt Romney a republican pretending to be a liberal...
2:19 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl Grey...every time you comment on something you include a "go to" web site to read. I think perhaps you should try to think for yourself and stop basing your opinions on others false facts.
Earl Gray
4:44 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I think just fine thank you...
I like to include these things (apparently foreign to you?) called "facts" that corroborate what I am saying...
It is however fitting that you have a problem with facts, as Facts are in many ways the basic difference between the Obama and Romney campaigns (the latter being void of them)
2:33 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
BellairBerdan - Yeah, that makes total sense Romney needs more money...
Earl Gray
4:45 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Just like Bernny Maddoff....
It depends on HOW you make your money whether it is a bad thing or not...
Joe I
3:18 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wait.......I get it the Obamas are poor or is it you all feel he lis one of us because he has only been a millionaire for a decade or so. No matter how hard we fall the obamas will be just fine.
3:46 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Joe I,
.Poor Michelle will miss all those 16 vacations. Just think of all those tax payers millions of dollars. 3 vacation to Hawaii, Colorado Ski trips, Africa, trips to Martha Vineyard, Spain with 40 of her best friends.
; )
Earl Gray
4:49 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Neither, as Obama has mentioned many times... he is one of the 1%, and has been, for many years (most Harvard Grads are). The only Problem with Miits money is how he gets it...
Earl Gray
4:52 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
So now traveling for the 1st lady (that ALL 1st lady's, have done, and will do) is a bad thing ...
Wow.. You guys are REALLY scraping the bottom of your talking points list... LOL!!
7:40 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
here's a fun little tidbit of info from an "Approved by Obama" campaign message. it seems like there's some twisted "truths" going on here regarding Obama's concern for coal miners and the coal industry.
here is the campaign message which was "approved by Obama" concerning coal workers in Ohio
and here is the unedited response by the people involved
7:45 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Earl, no I do NOT have a problem with facts, if indeed they are just that...FACTS! Are you that insecure with your responses that you need a back up to corroborate?
Earl Gray
10:31 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
No insecurity at all..And corroboration? Absolutely!! .I like to educate people, and show them the truth, not just yell on a blog. Calling people names doesn't get anybody anywhere...
Are you that void of facts in your responses that you can't back them up? Without facts to back you up, you are just another ranting schlub on the Internet. And lord knows there are plenty of those...
Speaking of educating... Just read this article from Ronald Reagan's ex budget director: Its a good read... Check it out..
9:51 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
In Arizona govt giving wrong voting date to Hispanics. Republicans R at it again, voter suppression.
9:57 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
In Pa. govt still telling voters they need ID which they don't, a Judge who over-turned the requirement. Republicans still at it again, Voter Suppression.
10:23 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Regardless of who you think won the debate, the difference I saw between the two is that Romney discussed what he hoped to do to change the direction of the failing economy, Obama discussed HIS interpretation of Romney's plan. Obama is a disappointment...he refuses to discuss his birthplace, his college attendance, his wife's loss of her law liscence, where his 11million is from since he hasn't held a paying job for many years...and what he will do to move us Forward since Change didn't work!
Frankly, Romney's wealth doesn't bother mr, he earned it with a business he built. He wasn't a neighborhood organizer, he didn't forge his transcripts, and we know where he was born.
I think Romney won this debate, or at the worse tied it. (which still puts him ahead!)
Earl Gray
11:16 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Regardless of what you think, the majority of people don't think that, and didn't make that interpretation.. They think Romney was pushy, snippy, whiny, and over eager to make political points... Hence the reason poll after poll says he lost the debate handily....
Max R
10:40 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Romney won both debates because he has something to say. Likewise for Ryan.
I think it's very possible Romney will carry NJ.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
11:17 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Chances of that are slim...it's not impossible, but there's something afoot that may make that margin of possibility significantly thinner. Suffice it to say that the D's AND the R's have been "bending" the rules on Ballot position and major party status, and they got their hands caught in the cookie jar...but the D's will skate, because of the loyalty to Bill Pascrell in his district. (They garnered enough votes to squeak by the audit) R's are significantly short on the tally of VOTES necessary - not "lever pulls" - VOTES - in the primary to retain major party status, which directly affects their right to (unconstitutional) placement on the left side of the ballot - the challenge you never heard of is in the Federal Third District Court of Appeals as of this afternoon. They know, and are keeping quiet, before the Dems figure it out. When the final version of the appeal requiring "strict scrutiny" appears, I will post the link and a "letter to the editor". I am neither a D nor an R - and what they've been doing (not the candidates - the party bosses) should offend even the staunchest party hack. "Facts are stubborn things" - John Adams.
"Stand for what's right, or settle for what's left" - Frederick John LaVergne, "Democratic-Republican" for Congress, NJ District Three.
What are we doing for the voters of NJ? Find out here:
Changetherulespledge.org Democratic-RepublicanParty.org NationalTruth.org
Earl Gray
10:34 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
We will see, but very doubtful...
I think by this time a year from now, he will be selling reverse mortgages on TV
Max R
11:16 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Romney has a positive vision. Obama just says not my fault and give me just a bit more time.
Been there done that. Obama can't think on his feet. The emperor has no clothes.
The proof is in the runaway that is occurring that will not reverse until Election Day.
Earl Gray
3:28 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Hogwash... Romneys message is that I am not Obama...
He is saying that because of his his "business experience: he can create jobs... The REALITY is that he was a takeover artist that gutted companies, not built them up.
His specialty was to borrow money, buy companies, sell off their assets, ship the jobs to China, saddle them with debt, and then sell them again, keeping.the asset sale money...Many of those companies didnt survive their time with Mitt as he stripped them, but he still made money, so considered them a success...
Here is what happens when Bain takes you over...
And that is why the REAL job creators cant stand him..
including Ronald Reagan's budget director
Max R
8:00 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl, stop tripping.
Romney's message is not: "I am not Obama." That's Obama's message: "Vote for me becasue I am not Romney" and you see how THAT's working. He is tanking and will be unemployed on Jan 21.
BTW, you sure do make your point by including links to the Huffington Post and the NY Times. That SURELY PROVES your points!! Sarcasm much??
Max R
11:34 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Romney has slashed Obama's lead since Oct 8 in NJ. His lead was 15.8% and not it's down to 8.3%
How anyone can claim Obama or Biden won any debate is laughable. The first time that either of them has to answer any substantive question, neither of them can do it.
The party is over.
2:44 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Tonto- know you're a regular here...so maybe you can pass this on to the Romneyites up in Boston to get their hands on this new book..the real story of Government Motors by former CEO Ed Whitacre, entitled "American Turnaround: Reinventing AT&T and GM and the Way We Do Business in the USA," . . .revealing why Dan Akerson(the current CEO) shouldn't have even been let near GM? So in spite of what Obama saids, GM's Cadillac Motor division is in trouble. . .recently replacing another guy they ran out of Detroit...Joel Ewanick.
Earl Gray
3:19 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
What is your point again? They shouldn't have been saved? So you are against American manufacturing? We should what by Chinese cars?
5:12 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
One of the polls that said Obama won the last debate went a little deeper. The pollsters asked the same people "who can do a better job with the economy, jobs and the debt". Three separate questions. In each Romney had a substantially higher grade than Obama. So I guess more like Obama as a reality TV star but when when it comes to dealing with our lives and our futures they realize this ain't no TV show.
6:15 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Gas prices are falling! Thank you President Obama! God bless America!
I am Spartacus
6:38 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
You are joking, right?
7:33 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Not at all! According to your own chart "US Retail Gas Price is at a current level of 3.886, down from 3.914 last week". All due to our great President Obama! After all, if you blame him for rising prices you must credit him when they fall...right? I know you all want to be FAIR AND BALANCED.
I am Spartacus
8:14 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Yeah, and up over 11% since the same time last year all thanks to Obama if you really are dumb enough to believe he is responsible for gas prices. In fact, if you believe the guy is responsible for gas prices then he would also be responsible for about a 100% increase in gas prices since his inauguration.
But let me guess, you don't think he is responsible for those large increases b/c they aren't politically convenient for you. Only that couple penny drop over the last week works into your political agenda so that is all you want Obama to take credit for.
8:28 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Hh but I am Spartacus, you gave me that nice chart. Why did your eye stop at Jan 2009? Why don't you look back a little further to the summer of 2008 when gas prices were the highest they have ever been? I don't understand. How could you blame him for high prices yet not credit him for lower prices? You just don't make sense! Oh..neither does your math..but please continue...
I am Spartacus
8:51 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
You don't get it. I am not blaming the guy for high prices or giving him credit for lower prices. YOU ARE. I was just pointing out how stupid and uninformed your comment was given how gas prices have moved over Obama's term. And if you are going to blame Bush for that spike in prices you mentioned, keep in mind prices dropped like a rock after the spike so make sure you aren't a complete hypocrite and you give him credit for that drop. And keep in mind that prices since Obama took over have been on pretty much a consistent increase over his entire term. Now feel free to go back to your uninformed factually incorrect nonsense.
9:36 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
I Am Spartacus you just don't get irony, do you?
Now if we take your words, what else have been happening at those exact same time? The economy began to tank at the end of Bush's term and bottomed at the start of Obama's. Since then we have been making a slow and steady climb in the health of our economy. You think that may have an impact on gas prices?
However, it has been the consensus of the ill informed Right that Obama has been the blame for the price of gas ( highest prices ever!..which isn't even true). To be Fair and Balanced one MUST give him credit for the fall. Just trying to play by the rules you all set here.
Max R
9:48 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Bellair, what YOU don't get is the only one playing the blame game is President Obama. He only has 18 days left as Campaigner-in-Chief so this whole argument will be moot very soon.
Romney/Ryan have a plan that is very solid and will rebuild America domestically and in the foreign arena.
The blame game is over and it's time for responsible adults to inhabit the White House.
I am Spartacus
10:03 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
There has been no fall in gas prices. Prices constantly adjust by a couple percentage points from year to year. One week does not a trend make and if you are going to pretend a .72% decline is a big victory for the big 0, then stop being a hypocrite and accept blame for the big 0 for the 2x increase over his tenure. Wake me when we see a couple months or so of declining gas prices and prices are down well into the double digit range and then you can pretend Obama actually did something. Just make sure you tell me what he did to lead to that decline b/c so far all I see is bloviating by the man and his supporters when they start calling a .72% decrease in prices on the back of a near 100% increase to be something worth taking credit for..
Earl Gray
10:37 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
And so is unemployment!! Fastest drop since 1984!! 7.8% and headed further DOWN...
Max R
10:45 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl, so you're applauding a FAST drop in an unemployment rate that has been historically high?
That's like saying my house is burning, but I rescued the front porch.
11:07 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
All I know is drive around and the price of gas is 25 cents per gallon lower than it was. If you want to blame Obama for high prices you gotta give him credit for lower prices. FAIR AND BALANCED!
God bless America and God bless President Obama!
Stop hating America and stand behind our President!
I am Spartacus
11:12 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Fine denialist. Obama is responsible for gas prices only doubling by your own admission instead of more than doubling. Instead of paying more than $2 more than we did when he was inaugurated, we pay about $1.90 more than when he was sworn into office.
Somehow I think Obama would fire you if you were on his campaign staff for agreeing to hold him responsible for such a massive increase in gas in 4 years.....lol.
11:18 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Explain why it was over $4 a gallon in the summer of 2008?
I am Spartacus
11:59 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Read it if you dare. I suspect this might be over your head though.
And you still don't get it. I am not admitting the man is responsible for why gas prices are so high though I will freely admit I have seen him do absolutely nothing to help reduce gas prices and he seems rather hostile to the industry as a whole. You made that claim he is responsible for falling gas prices, I pointed out how gas prices are still so much higher than they were on his first day in office and I find it incredibly funny you keep trying to pretend a .72% fall in prices is such a great thing after a 100% or more increase in prices.
12:20 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Oh I get it now I am Spartacus, you're not admitting President Obama is responsible for the gas prices, you're just SAYING he is. You Republicans are very contradicting.
Anyway, God Bless President Obama for bringing my gas prices down!
7:56 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
so which is it, does the POTUS/US gov't control gas prices or not?
if you really want lower gas prices, this country needs another refinery (or 2) we have plenty of oil coming into the states but only 2 refineries. more refineries = more gas production,more gas production means better availability and lower prices.
Earl Gray
10:41 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Only 2 refineries? That's funny... I have 3 within 100 miles of my house... Did somebody steel one?
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
8:04 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
CD - I'm diligently reviewing energy jobs in NJ, looking for areas in which we can improve, specifically in my District. There are seven refineries independently operating in NJ alone, although two are on adjoining properties in Paulsboro. (Different owners). Not starting an argument, just relating facts.
This IS important in other places in the world, however. Specifically, Iran has 9 operating refineries - I only bring this up because a certain pundit has often espoused that they only have one, and that it would be an easy "target". Posturing by a chickenhawk, and ill-advised posturing, at that.
8:49 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
@ Frederick John LaVergne for Congress;
for the moment I will assume you may be correct but how many of those refineries are dedicated to refining oil into gasoline?
Also how many are operating at full capacity and are currently open and running?
There may be many refineries but not all are used for producing gasoline,other petroleum products have the need to be refined before they are suitable for use.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
11:07 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
I felt you deserved a more detailed answer, so I pulled out my notes, so that I could confirm SPECIFICALLY gasoline refining occuring today. One plant was shuttered to Gasoline refining due to an environmental issue, but the property is still in use for other chemical manufacturing from fossil fuels - another has transitioned only to xylene, toluene, and other volatiles. Of the remaining five, another is presently not operating - financial issues. Three are producing automotive fuel as their primary product, and the last produces it as a by product of asphalt manufacturing.
stewart resmer
8:58 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Obama holds on to a 277-261 Electoral College lead
John Jay
9:56 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
stewart resmer: The projections are being made by the Obama-friendly media. Trusting an automatically biased source is not a good thing to do, don't you agree?
Earl Gray
10:45 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
LOL!! There we go again....
The Projections are based on all the polls combined!!!!
Bwa ha ha ha ha.....ANOTHER republican gets caught calling reality "liberal"
Don't you guys ever get embarrassed?
10:49 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
"Automatically biased" like Faux News and Rush Limburger? Both are unfair and imbalanced.
Max R
9:57 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Bellair, you talk about the "ill-informed right." What you don't see is that your own words have buried you, just like Joe Biden and Obama's own words bury them every time they open their mouths, because they have no accomplishments to speak of.
Bellair, you say since the economy bottomed out we have had a slow steady climb as if that's an accomplishment. That's EXACTLY what's wrong with your argument. Whenever this great US economy has a recession (which happens every 2 generations throughout our entire history) we have ALWAYS had a recovery of sustained strong growth in the 4% to 8% range. However, due to the Amateur in the White House who believes "You didn't build that" we have a SLOOOOOOOOOW steady climb in the 1% range, while 23,000,000 people are out of work. $5,000,000,000,000 of new debt with NOTHING to show for it but bailouts of Obama's friends - detroit, unions, and the greens.
The left never passed a budget under his term and our embassies are burning and our Ambassador is dead. Any you want to re-elect him?
Obama has nothing to stand on, is STILL lying about LIBYA and will be UNEMPLOYED on January 21.
Earl Gray
10:46 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
How bout this... Nice... simple... picture...
11:11 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Max, if you don't like America go get a job for Romney in COMMUNIST China!
Stand under Romney and open your mouth as his "wealth" trickles down to you!
John Jay
10:00 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Projections made by an Obama-friendly "news" media should be taken with a grain of salt. They are engaging in a psychological warfare model by trying to dupe the masses that Obama has a commanding lead -- in doing so, they hope to discourage those people that want to vote against his miserable, failed presidency.
Sorry, but I can see through this propaganda a mile away. I am talking to people in and outside of my circle of friends and family -- it's 90% AGAINST Obama.
Earl Gray
10:52 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
All that shows is that you don't get out much.... You guys are hilarious. It is absolutely creepy that you label anything that doesn't tell you what you want ti hear "liberal".
Realclearpolitics takes in account EVERY poll....
And Nate Silver has proven to be the most accurate over the years ,,,
Just the facts... ma'am...
5:38 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl Gray- Rasmussen is calling MO a win for Romney, so there is discrepancy in the polling numbers there? And the Daily Caller is questioning Nate Silver's prediction...
John Jay
10:23 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Sorry, Obama lacks the "ignorant" vote. People signed on to his BS in 2008 -- the luster is worn off. He made and broke so many promises, wrecked the economy, and bowed to far too many foreign "leaders". Obama is history come election day.
He'll probably get a talk show -- ugh -- he'll be on some daytime show that features malfunctioning "Obama-phone" women....God help our nation!
RE: "XJS 10:06 am on Friday, October 19, 2012 While I think it'll be close, I doubt Romney beats Obama."
Earl Gray
11:01 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
John Jay...
You betray yourself...
You JUST told us that you (and 90%of your friends) are against Obama and so the polls are wrong... Now you say the "luster has worn off" Oooops...
And as for "bowing to foreign leaders" That is just another of those baseless slurs that never happened. I watched two senators say that the night of the debate, and when pressed, they couldn't give one example... When posters like you are pressed, they can't either.. The most I have seen is links to right wing blogs where "other" right wing bloggers repeat the charge, and an actual link to a speech where Obama din't apologize for anything...
So lets see some links...
Ohh yah,,,You are NOT going to like the most recent poll numbers.... Especially in Ohio...
10:33 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
The debates, like the entire election, are a joke; a Goldman-Sachs puppet show. Explain to me why they refuse to allow the Libertarian and Green candidates, who are on the ballot in most of the states, into the debate? It's because they are so afraid that the American people would actually hear the truth about things instead of the pre-fab propaganda that spews forth from both parties. It's pathetic. Vote principal, not party. It doesn't matter who "won" the farcical debate. It's America that loses with either.
Max R
10:47 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
So Danielle, that's nice to say, but one thing is indisputable that everyone here will agree on. Either Romney or Obama will win.
Who are you backing?
11:15 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
They don't allow others to participate because the law says to participate a candidate must be polling at 15% nationwide.
I agree with you though, it would be nice to have more than the two puppets up there.
I am Spartacus
11:18 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
What law? That 15% threshold is something the 2 major parties agreed to in order to exclude candidates from smaller parties. There is no law requiring 15% and in past elections, people like Nader did participate. But now they are excluded b/c both parties fear the loss of votes to 3rd party candidates.
11:23 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Spartacus - you're right. The CPD (Commission on Presidential Debates) which started the rule was started by the reps and dems! I had no idea.
4:56 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
For those who want to hear other parties replys..Democracy Now has been hosting third party candidates comments to questions posed at the national debates.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
11:04 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
NO law...and I assure you I know from where I speak. Check "Democratic-Republican Organization v Guadagno et al" as is now pending in the Federal Third Circuit Court of Appeals. It's a "Ballot Position" suit you'll be reading about shortly.
"Stand for what's right, or settle for what's left" - FJL
10:52 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Danny - it is because no one other than fringe wackos know who the Libertarian or Green candidates are and no one cares.
JJ - do you think the psychological warfare can work both ways? If the republicans thin romney has a nice lead people who are lazy will not come out and make sure we get rid of the kenyan?
Earl Gray
11:22 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Kenyan? Is there somebody else running? because if you are talking about Obama, you are a Ignorant fool, or a Lying RACIST..
Just curious.. Which one are you?
11:37 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Oh ok - you are just such and informed genius. I bow to you. Please forgive me. So if someone doesnt agree with you they are a racist? Get over yourself you flaming bottom. That guy obama is not only a kenyan but he has admitted that he is a muslim. So get your facts straight before you look like an even bigger idiot. You racist self loathing white boy.
10:54 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
I would never vote for either. I am of the belief that until more people embrace the idea of a third party, we are totally screwed. And no, my vote for Gary Johnson does not add or detract from either candidate. It is simply a vote for the only person who deserves it. And if everyone would just cast that vote, we'd have a new President. It doesn't matter which one of those two wins. They are one and the same on the critical issues. Pro-war, pro-big bank, pro-NDAA, pro-corporate sponsor, pro-big agra, big pharma, pro-monsanto, Pro-Patriot act, Pro-socialized health care. In summary, Anti America. However you slice it. Gary Johnson will get my vote. If the US is still standing in 2016, maybe he'll have a chance then.
11:31 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
I think all those with REAL Republican values should vote for Gary Johnson, not that leftover candidate that no one wanted, Mitt Romney.
Max R
11:47 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Bellair, that trick won't work. We will vote in Mitt Romney in a landslide and breathe a huge sigh of relief on Nov 7 when we awaken to the fact that Hope and Change was just a bad dream. The hangover will be tough but relief is on the way.
Don't fret!
12:22 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
That's OK Max R. If you live in NJ your vote will never count anyway. ;)
1:37 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
agree danielle, if people keep thinking they must vote for the lesser of two evils we will continue to get two awful choices. i am proudly voting Johnson this year because he is the most qualified person running. hopefully one day a guy like johnson gets enough votes to make the dems and reps realize we are tired of them forcing crappy choices down our throats, if people continue to vote for "the lesser of two evil" we will never get the most qualified person in office.
its kind of funny seeing these sheep argue about two corrupt guys who love big government and dont give a sh** about the middle class. turn off fox news and msnbc, go compare johnsons track record and policies to obamas and romney and then tell me who the best choice is.
1:51 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
hey JP, do you know what I found most interesting? That he wasn't even mentioned in this thread before I dropped by. Why isn't anyone on here offended at the fact that they are being corralled into two slaughterhouses when the gate is wide open in the next stall???
11:06 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Fringe wackos? I'm fine with that. Because cutting spending, doing wars, and protecting the constitution are outrageously outlandish ideas :/But if people knew there was an option, I'm hard pressed to believe anyone with even half a brain wouldn't vote for GJ. If they are so insignificant, let them in. We had to suffer through 9 ridiculous republican candidates. What's the harm in two wackos? Not like it'd be wasting anyones time more than the charade we're watching (or ignoring, like me).
11:18 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
I quickly looked at his website and just the fact that he is not a kenyan muslim gets him my vote over obama. From what I have seen - he is pretty reasonable and maybe you are not the fringe wacko I thought you were. I am not sure why you are so biased against corporations. We have no intention of going back and living in caves and being hippies.
11:38 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Well, Hippies were pretty cool, I'm not going to lie, whats not awesome about a life of colors and good music? I'm going to have to give this one to Romney.
12:01 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
you see? If more people knew about Gary Johnson, he'd have a chance. For chrissakes, he climbed EVEREST! I am a former bleeding heart liberal turned Libertarian (thanks to my main man RP). The establishment is so afraid and that alone should speak volumes. Forget those bozos. Seriously, vote your conscience. It really does matter!
1:53 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
hey Armando, if you like hippies, why wouldn't you vote for the only candidate who is for peace? Gary Johnson should be right up your alley...
Earl Gray
2:10 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Notice to all independents (and other same people)
TY PENNINGTON is a birther.... Just thought would save you some time...
11:39 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
I am not sure if you are older than 18 or so danny - and it kills me that we are losing american lives and wasting my tax money out there in the middle east - but after 9/11 - almost everyone wanted to go over there and kick hijabi ass. Hopefully in the future we can just use remote controlled predators to wipe out those bastards but at the time that was not an option.
11:56 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Sorry, Ty. I am 34, mother of 4 and lived through 9/11 in NYC. Took me until 11pm to get off the island and I was 7 months pregnant. My husband had the towers fall down behind him as he came up from the PATH train. I have no problems with any Muslim. The US is reaping what we have sewn for 50 years. I am anti war, anti hate. We need to tend to our own backyards for once and try to survive. At this rate, we're going to make the Fall of Rome look like a toga party.
Donna Griffin
12:09 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Ty - According to Joe Biden, we apparently have troops in Iran and Veterans who have returned from there?!?! That's a history lesson I've missed apparently. He is indeed the gift that keeps on giving.
Earl Gray
2:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Because we were told (based on lies) that they were the guys that brought down the trade towers, and also had "weapons of mass destruction".
We all know now, those were lies, built on intentionally altered, intelligence.
To these guys, war is stimulus" plain and simple, and for some companies, it actually is... Just not America as a whole.... Those stupid wars are a large part of what almost bankrupted us...
Come ON man.. Seriously....Wake up.....
3:12 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Donna Griffin - I am not sure if that goof ball biden meant to say it or not but first of all iran - iraq - same thing pretty much now shia terrosirts. Anyway, US troops have and will be in and out of iran for some time to come.
Donna Griffin
3:21 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Ty - I am simply forever in awe of the things that fall out of his mouth. I NEVER want to hear another cackle about Quayle!
John Jay
12:00 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl Gray -- Obama will lose, hands down. My "circle" of friends and family range from hard Left to hard Right -- and of that, 90% are against Obama.
So, I didn't betray anyone -- let alone myself.
The "mainstream" media has been totally exposed -- and they are shills for Obama.
If Romney doesn't deliver, he'll be tossed out in 2016.
I hope you are not betting money on the local races either. I can assure you that the Republicans, Conservatives, and Tea Party Members in Middlesex, Ocean, and Monmouth County and going to mop the floor with Democrats/Socialists/Communists.
Earl Gray 11:01 am on Friday, October 19, 2012 John Jay...
You betray yourself...
You JUST told us that you (and 90%of your friends) are against Obama and so the polls are wrong... Now you say the "luster has worn off" Oooops...
And as for "bowing to foreign leaders" That is just another of those baseless slurs that never happened. I watched two senators say that the night of the debate, and when pressed, they couldn't give one example... When posters like you are pressed, they can't either.. The most I have seen is links to right wing blogs where "other" right wing bloggers repeat the charge, and an actual link to a speech where Obama din't apologize for anything...
So lets see some links...
Ohh yah,,,You are NOT going to like the most recent poll numbers.... Especially in Ohio..."
Earl Gray
2:30 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
You said that you were disillusioned and the luster had worn off for Obama... Obviously he had no luster for you ever, so you betrayed yourself... I simply pointed it out.....
That is of course unless you are saying you speak for the entire country, and based on your ranting, I can say for a fact that isn't true...
So where are those links again? You know, backing all the garbage you spewed? Yahh.. I thought so...
Here is a link for you... It is an article by David Stockman (Ronald Reagan's Budget Director) and fellow republican regarding Mr. Romney's business experience.
And here is another recent article about fellow republican Walter De Vries (long time aide to George Romney, Mitt's father) and his views on the same subject....
Both very interesting reading. Enjoy!!
5:04 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl- thanks for the George Romney link. Read Stockman's take on Romney's business. . .quite an eye opener for anybody thinking Romney is for the middle class.
12:04 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Anti hate huh? Other than self loathing, I guess? We are just reaping what we have sown...nice. Pretty pathetic. You should move to france or go get a job at the UN.
12:09 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
funny you should say so. I was an International Relations major at Georgetown and I wanted to be a dimplomat. :) What do you think we've been doing over there? Spreading democracy? Honestly? Being realistic and acknowledging mistakes and injustices is being adult. I don't hate the US. I hate what governments have embroiled us in. You ever see that meme that says that our 9/11 is their 24/7? I am tired of the controlling body manipulating us by blaming everything on 9/11. It happened. It sucked. I lost friends, I felt afraid. I cried for months and still can't watch the coverage on the anniversary because it is all still too real. But do you think that continuing to meddle in everyone's affairs is going to make it better or worse for us? I want American soldiers home protecting our interests here. Plain and simple
12:33 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So you would have just sit back and let hitler keep killing europeans, russians and jews and kept out of it. You would have definitely made a hell of a diplomat you missed your calling.
Isolationism was already an impossible anachronism in the 40s it surely wont work today. The world is not that big. We have to defend our interests. We are a violent race and have been since the dawn of time nothing is going to change that.
1:14 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I am tired of the over-simplistic "isolationist" argument. Whenever someone suggests that we stop our meddling overseas, the popular response is "well, what about Hitler?" There is obviously room for humanitarian intervention, which GJ fully supports. It is a far cry from inserting our own puppet governments in other countries to serve our "needs" which ultimately has unavoidable backlash. The repercussions, are they worth it? We were a non-interventionist country prior to the World Wars. I don't see why we can't be again. Switzerland, as small as they are, gets along just dandy.
1:54 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
ty- are we the worlds police? during a financial crisis should we be doing everyone elses dirty work or taking care of our own? we cant afford insurance for everyone in america but we can afford to take care of everyone else? do you have any idea how many places we are stationed around the world? ask someone in the service who they are voting for, i work with returning veterans and nearly 70% of the ones i speak with are ron paul and/or gary johnson supporters. you know why because they dont get their news from fox or msnbc, they are seeing first hand the amount of money and men we are losing in "wars" that are making no progress.
with your hitler example that was a global issue. we went in and fought with our allies. johnson will continue to fight wars with our allies if there is a global threat. what johnson and libertarions are against are us fighting these global issues all by ourselves with our money and the lives of our young men and women.
if you dont like gary johnson you either dont like or dont understand the constitution
1:58 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
where is the "like" button on this stupid thread. lol. I obviously engage in too much FB bickering. :)
2:07 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So we should be isolationists other than when you decide it is a humanitarian issue. So they systemic abuse of women in the middle east, northern africa and all of the stans? Not a humanitarian issue or it would be ok for you? Taking our toys and staying in our own sandbox it the definition of simplistic - it worked real well for the people that were living here way back in the early 1500's. I think maybe you should see if larry ellison will let you go live in Lana'i.
2:10 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
@ ty
bin laden- dead, ghadaffi- dead, hussein- dead, top al queda's leaders- dead.
so did we win the war? is terrorism dead?
when someone points out things america does wrong that does not make them unpatriotic or hate america. do you know how many innocent people get killed in drone attacks, do you think all the japanese deserved what happend in world war 2 because of the choices their government made? if you think we are perfect or there is no blood on our hands than you are oblivious or have the intellegience of a child. America is the greatest country in the world but there is still room for improvement.
if you were born in a country where neighbors were killed by drone attacks would you grow up loving america or hating them? the way to end terorism is not just killing everyone- the next generation will just grow to hating us? we must show we are better th
2:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
JP - I have forgotten more about the constitution than you will ever know, be careful or danny will point out what a simpleton you are. Yes we are the worlds police - as uncle ben said "with great power comes great responsibility" if you cant pull up your panties and deal with that then go back to bed and suck your thumb while we do. we are talking about global issues. At what point will it become global to you? When some hijabi in iran has himself a shaab 4 with a nuclear payload and it lands in isreal, saudi arabia, turkey, russia or germany? Better late than never - thats what I guess you tell the people slaughtered by germans in WW2. I work with vets and active duty military and I have never heard of gary Johnson before I read about him here today. I will agree that none of them like barry.
2:18 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
ty- im not saying issues in the middle east and africa should be ignored. myself and guys like gary johnson believes everyone should pitch in to help, NOT JUST AMERICA. there are heart breaking issues in every country (even ours) we dont have enough service men/ women and money to solve everyones problems. if we want peace around the world it will have to come from the majority of the planet, not just america. right now we are losing lives and money on problems we cant solve alone
2:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Ty, it took one attack on US soil to get you all riled up and hating the entire middle east. Can you for one moment blame middle easterners for an anti-US sentiment? What gets lost in all this jargon, all this back and forth with us v. them is that they are people. People with families. Maybe I am fatally optimistic. No doubt there are extremists. But we have them here, too. I will not support our (lack of) foreign policy. And btw, it is glaringly obvious that any and all of our efforts in that region are NOT humanitarian in the least. Blowing up Pakistani children is definitely not in the interest of those people...
2:23 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
You should take a course in history my boy. It would not matter if we dropped pansies on these barbarians they would still hate us. We need to speak to them in the only language they understand death. You are dumber than a bucket of rocks if you think for a minute that everyone of those japs that were incinerated by the bomb would not have stuck bamboo under your infant childs fingernails and cut his head off and the same goes for the so called innocents zapped by drones - there are actually very few innocents killed by drone strikes. The rules of engagement are such that it is almost impossible to get clearance to zap these terrorists if the pothole we make may inconvenience someone.
2:26 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
ty- where do you work? ill come stop by and ask the vets you work with, i would love to discuss romney and johnsons policies with them. if you want send me your email and you can come talk to the vets i volunteer with, cause i kind of find it weird youve never heard gary johnson before this thread. the vets i work with talk about him and ron paul all the time
2:33 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
there are far more innocent casualties than the media will let you know about. Friends of mine are in Pakistan right now seeing first hand the damage we have done there; talking to victims and their families. I'm sorry Ty that you are so filled with hatred for people outside of our borders. But I won't group them all under the terrorist umbrella. And if as you say they only understand death, then we really have no business there. Our interests would be better served here at home, nurturing peace and diplomacy with nations that choose to do the same.
2:45 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
" I have forgotten more about the constitution than you will ever know,"
if this is true than you shoudnt support any of the wars we are in. the constitution states congress must declare war, the last time congress declared war was 1941 and we have been in plenty crappy ones since.
2:59 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I am not a xenophobe filled with hatred - you are the isolationist! But yes I do hate people that want to bring harm to americans, women, children, christians and jews just because of their backwater belief in some make believe deity. I am also a realist since the dawn of time man has been savagely killing his fellow man. So when the rules of engagement are kill or be killed you have to have bring it. I have spent quite a bit of time out of north America since 1990 and the media coverage is the opposite of what you claim. These people actually kill women and children and put their bodies into craters that were created from successful missile strikes. Yes the media lies but its lies are tilted to make the US look bad not the other way around. Just like rodney king, I wish we could all get along , I also have young children and I would love to see them grow up in the garden of eden but sitting around saying we are soooo sorry please destroy us is not going to make that happen.
3:15 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
You proved my point on the constitution. Declare, authorize - tons of case law on that. Go read doe v. bush.
Earl Gray
4:22 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
That's funny. I have spent the last 20 years traveling the world for business (200K miles a year) and I see NOTHING of what you see.
There are countries like Iran an North Korea (that we neuter with sanctions) that are dangerous and crazy, and factions like that hasn't changed and it won't. Most of the world reveres and respects us, and this is one of our greatest assets. They see us as a force of good and a benevolent upholder of peace.
The damage done to the USA around the world by George Bush is truly astounding. Our enemies were delighted that we were caught on the wrong side of the truth, and delighted in ity. Our allies were shocked at what were doing, even as they went along (based on our many years of being right previously). We wasted decades of carefully built capital around the world, all for the most idiotic war on record...
If you think we can control the world by running around the world starting wars and causing insurgencies, you are delusional and have never read anything on the fall of Rome. If you think dominating people is a way toward getting their respect then you are a simpleton, and know nothing of human nature.
There is a GIANT difference between protecting our our country, and making things up to start "preemptive" wars over corporate interests. The Iraq war was the latter, with ZERO remaining rationale other than sheer stupidity.
And yes,given the entirety of your comments, I do think you are a Xenophobe.
4:37 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Ty - "I am not a xenophobe filled with hatred - you are the isolationist! (no name calling - I haven't resorted to it!) But yes I do hate people that want to bring harm to americans, women, children, christians and jews just because of their backwater belief in some make believe deity." - You might as well say "THEY HATE OUR FREEDOM" while you're at it. You are blaming Islam for their hatred of America. This is, again, an overly simplistic explanation that ignores all of our history with this region. Granted, people do horrendous things in the name of God every single day, bible thumping Christians and Muslims alike. I don't support it or rationalize it away. But to broadly state that their beliefs are the sole driving force behind their actions, is naive.
5:13 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
jp- Congress authorized expenditures for both wars(Vietnam & Iraq) as they said in their opinion dismissing the case. . .
stewart resmer
12:11 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Obama: 237 - Romney: 206 Electroal College
2012 Electoral College Scoreboard
Rasmussen Reports - Electoral College Breakdown
Safe Romney 167
Likely Romney 21
Leans Romney 18
Toss-up 95
Leans Obama 27
Likely Obama 38
Safe Obama 172
Jack Q
12:20 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Romney ahead in PA, VA, and FLA. We can all re-write head lines.
5:14 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Jack Q- where are you getting your results when you say Romney is ahead in PA?
5:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Project- I don't think PA is a toss up. That state will go for Obama.
John Jay
12:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
PsyOps DO work both ways, Ty! The first order of business is to IGNORE "lamestream media". The media is overwhelming comprised of the Liberal/Communist/Socialist persuasion -- despite being owned by huge corporations.
You would think it's the other way around -- right???
Every time I see/read ANYTHING from the lamestream media, I know that it's coming right out of page of Edward Louis Bernays' book "Propaganda" -- with rabid leanings of Joseph Goebbels thrown in for added flavor.
I am telling everyone I encounter that feel "comfortable" with Romney's so-called lead to taking NOTHING for granted. Ignore everything and get the heck out and vote every Democrat out of office.
RE: "TY PENNINGTON: JJ - do you think the psychological warfare can work both ways? If the republicans think romney has a nice lead people who are lazy will not come out and make sure we get rid of the kenyan?"
John Jay
12:30 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl Gray made a false statement: "And as for "bowing to foreign leaders" That is just another of those baseless slurs that never happened".
Put this in your teapot Earl Gray:
* The President of the United States bows to NO MAN and NO WOMAN but:
***Obama LITERALLY BOWED to Japanese leaders
***Obama LITERALLY BOWED to Saudi Leaders
***Obama LITERALLY BOWED to Chinese Leaders
***Obama LITERALLY BOWED to "leaders" around the world and has DISGRACED the United States.
1:00 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So how did you feel when Bush bowed to the Pope, Chinese leaders, the Queen of England and held hands and kissed the the King of Saudi Arabia? Was that wrong or just the polite way of greeting in their culture?
Earl Gray
2:35 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So is your point that Obama physically bowed (common tradition) to other world leaders... and that is a bad thing... right???
2:40 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
It is definitely a bad thing. Why should we bow? Why do we adhere to their customs all the time? Let these "leaders" follow our customs.
2:47 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
notice ty ignored the fact that bush and just about every former president has done something similiar.
3:06 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Wow JP you are out to get me! I wish you were nicer like danny. At least poppy bush puked on that little japanese weasel for making him bow!
But since Danielle is so nice and sweet about her arguing she has inspired me to be kind to you.
I have no problem in general with respecting other cultures - my problem is why doesnt anyone ever have to respect ours? Why do we continue to bow literally and figuratively to these people when they refuse to respect us?
Maybe it would be nice to see one of these little Japanese guys give barry a high five or fist pump before he bows.
3:12 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
They shake our hands..or do you want them to do one of those "terrorist fist bumps"
And sorry earl, you can have the next one ;)
3:38 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
sorry jp read your earlier posts, didnt realize you were a birther, i dont deal with wack jobs who listen to glenn beck. any one who knows me knows i am not blinded by parties, i have voted rep and dem and independent, i just try to vote for the most qualified.
i have no problem debating and discussing policies but if someone brings up the birth certificates, obama being a terrorist, romney being a mormon, romeny being a bully in grade school, etc the discussion is over. i discuss facts, i dont waste my time on stupid consaricy theories.
3:47 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So are you jp or are you not? Are you talking to yourself? I think you may be getting tired. Take your lithium, take a nap and come back - I dont blame you for not knowing constitutional law but even your spelling is suffering now. And it is a fact that mitt is a mormon, jesus was a jew and barry is a muslim - not a theory.
4:26 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Ty- im quickly writing comments on breaks during work on a smart phone, your spelling insults really dont bother me. if you believe obama is a muslim from kenya and there was some huge conspiracy to get him into harvard, get him elected, and destroy america than we really have nothing more to discuss. i discuss facts but will not debate with extremists from either side. its almost 5 pm shouldnt you be by a radio listening to hannity to get some more talking point anyway.
have a nice weekend, GARY JOHNSON 2012
4:41 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
you see, Ty. My diplomatic course is much nicer to deal with than insults, or spitting in your face or calling you names. Far better than dropping bombs on your ass. We disagree but I don't feel the need to blow your head off or the legs of your children or neighbors. Yes, overly simplified but perhaps we could "all just get along" if we tried harder.
Earl Gray
5:13 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Sweet!! An idiot and a racist... they are synonymous...
5:20 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Danielle- I would agree. . .I mean...bringing up the birther issue is ridiculous!
John Jay
3:44 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I've done business in Asia-Pacific -- Obama had no need to bow to a level that indicated he was subservient to the Emperor of Japan.
He could have given a polite bow -- but nothing more -- so stop making apoligies for Obama.
4:21 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Obama has the slave complex. He still believes he is a slave. He bows to his master.
Earl Gray
4:30 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
That is an Idiotic statement.... Where do you work in Asia? I go somewhere in the region almost every month!!
Come on... Lets talk Asia and Asian culture!!!!
You are WAY off base, and you don't stand a chance...
5:21 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
g-now that's even more ridiculous than the birther non sense!
4:06 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Really he didn't bow correctly ? That's a big upset? Seriously seek professional help.
4:27 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
hahaha you really cant argue with these people, just laugh at them
4:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Millionaires' tax rate in USA one of the Lowest in The World !!!!
5:22 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
...that's true. . .and when Reagan got in, he lowered the top tax rate from 70 to 50%.
4:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
"Evolution a Lie Straight From Hell" Republican from Georgia Said. He sits on the Congressional Science Committee !
stewart resmer
4:29 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Romnesia and Ryanopia: A set of cognisant recognition/recall disorders with inability to recall facts over a 6 year period substituted by delusional fantasies such as running marathons, or taking credit for economic policies never attributed to claimants.
Those suffering from this condition tend to bluster and defend ridiculous misapplication of complex mathematic theories generaly attributed as bad math with politcal Torret syndrome.
Usually accompanied by masogenist positions against womens rights.
Those who exhibit signs of this condition often exhibit paranoic fears of large groups of individuals and seem to have a clutching need to see identification papers to assuage their statistacaly unsubstantiated delusional fears.
Pure exhibition of dementia against left handed Irish people has been recorded.
This condition also presents the sufferer as overly aggressive controlling behavior in very public settings with an over arching need to shout down moderators who present unconfortable incontrvertablereality fact.
Notable suffers havebeen reported to have also exhibited an unusaul fascination with etch a sketch boards.
(pre exisitng medical condition not covered by vouchers.)
Max R
4:57 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Stewart, that's just brilliant.
Just confirms what we all know: When you have nothing to run on, just discredit your opponent.
Obama has failed but you still think the answer is to discredit Romney, which didn't work in the first place. Not only did Obama fail in his Presidency, he is failing colossally in his re-election campaign even though he spent $1 Billion to try to discredit Romney.
What a shame. That $1 Billion could have been redistributed so nicely to all his fans.
Donna Griffin
5:11 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Stewart - Happy Hour must have started early today. Just one question - What has President Obama done to benefit our nation in the last four years which would make one want to pull the lever for him? Please attempt an explanation that does not use the name of his opponent....simply list HIS accomplishments and if you can do so in conjunction with his 2008 promises to the American people, that would be the gravy on my Friday night meatloaf.
stewart resmer
5:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
The Facts: Mitt Romney called the auto bailout "tragic." After it succeeded his campaign claimed he "had the idea first."
Mitt Romney calls Obama's payroll tax cut that would save middle class/lower income families $1,500 a year "temporary little band aids."
The former Bain Capital managing director said of Mitt Romney's tenure: "We had a scheme where the rich got richer."
Mitt Romney's plan for a "middle class tax cut" would provide zero benefits to 73.9 percent of the middle class.
During Mitt Romney's tenure, Massachusetts' job growth was at 0.9 percent, far behind the national average of over 5 percent. Mitt Romney called the Occupy Wall Street movement "dangerous."
Earl Gray
5:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Max R
Hilarious!!!! You do realize you just put on a Freudian slip right?
"When you have nothing to run on, just discredit your opponent. Obama has failed...."
Maaahhh ha ha ha ha ha.... Best laugh all day...
5:27 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Donna- Please with your rhetorical questions. . .not even with the time to respond to that. . .what has he done!
Max R
5:33 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Actually, no it's not a Freudian slip. I said about 5 times that Romney/Ryan have a plan. It's a very clear 5 point plan. They do have something to run on, they have my vote and they will win the White House (and maybe even win NJ)
You're grasping at straws. Obama has nothing to run on (no accomplishments economically speaking, and no plan.)
You're so smart, what;s his (Obama's) plan.
Romney's is clear and concise. 5 points very clear.
Obama's is missing while he is on the campaign trail.
18 days left...
5:46 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So Max- 5.2M people working since he took office. . .TARP...supporting the financial crash on Sept 15,2008...the stimulus plan that if it wasn't passed would have meant 1-2 Million Americans unemployed. . . and Dodd-Frank, bringing back regulation to Wall St. . .yep he's done nothing!
Earl Gray
5:56 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Donna Griffin
What has Obama done that is worth giving him your vote?
-Stopped the Iraq War
-Winding down Afghan War
-Lowered Deficit
I ad a link this one because the overwhelming propaganda is otherwise...
There is more, but given the alternative... that should be plenty...
Max R
9:12 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Spooner: 5.2M people working since he took office --- What does this mean? There are LESS people working now than when he took office. 23 M people are out of work. What does that mean exactly, 5.2M ppl working since he took office? that makes no sense
Spooner: TARP...supporting the financial crash on Sept 15,2008 --- so what? that's a success? not....
Spooner: the stimulus plan that if it wasn't passed would have meant 1-2 Million Americans unemployed --- what does this mean? there are 23 MILLION people unemployed RIGHT NOW what did the stimulus do about THAT?
Spooner: and Dodd-Frank, bringing back regulation to Wall St. . .--- you've GOT TO BE KIDDING. The only regulation that's worse than Dodd Frank is ObamaCare. Dodd Frank STILL isn't fully implemented and it's costing TRILLIONS in lost productivity and risk. The whole joke about Dodd Frank is that Barney Frank is as ouch to blame for the housing mess than any other politician and the supposed "Wall ST Rescue bill" has his name on it.
What a joke. Blew a whole in your entire argument! So easy.
Donna Griffin
9:57 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Earl - Lowered the deficit?!?! You're too funny. Enjoy your weekend!
10:38 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Max- Bush and his Wall St Cowboys put 9M people out of work...decimated 401K plans up the kazoo. We were losing 800,000 jobs a month when Obama took office. Wall St was a big casino. . .doesn't create jobs. And if it wasn't for the Wall St money in the pockets of politicians, we would have gotten the Volcker Rule attached to Dodd-Frank with more teeth.
You wave off TARP like an annoying fly. It's evident you have no knowledge of banking and history of bank runs, which we were very close to seeing once again in this country. The same fly annoyance with the stimulus too. . .well here's some facts for you from ARRA... just for NJ. State ran out of UI money in 09. Fed supplied additional monies totaling $3.5B. . .came out to $400 per capita for the unemployed. $2.3B went for educational assistance, keeping teachers employed. $2.8B went for Health and Human Services, and $1.2B for Transportation. . .
...so it would appear that the joke is on you. . .displaying your ignorance and/or selfishness! Oh yeah. . .your statement should say: "how mean I am to my fellow man"
Earl Gray
9:44 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Donna... Obama lowered the deficit? YES.... Absolutely!!
10:35 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
10:27 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Yep, sure looks like its going down......
Debt since OBAMA took office is up $7 TRILLION
I seem to recall he said it was unpatriotic and irresponsible to increase the debt on our children.
What has he done? INCREASED THE DEBT ON OUR CHILDREN
4:43 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
so, everyone on here STILL cares about the farcical debates after this??? WHAT A WASTE OF OUR LIVES!!!
4:54 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Hey Earl,
You seem to have the makings of a libertarian. How come you haven't abandoned this unbwarranted support of Obama? How do you reconcile your opinion of our foreign policy with your current political affiliation and the war-mongering that has continued and escalated over the past 4 years? Just curious...
Earl Gray
5:40 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I am pretty fond of the truth, so that puts Romney out of the running....
I am also a pragmatist, so 3rd party candidates at this stage are a wasted vote.
Being a pragmatist, I am also not a Libertarian. I do believe in individual liberty, entrepreneurship, and some libertarian concepts, but am not tied by the dogma. The fact is that some things work better when done as a group. This includes many things like Interstate highways, Military, and yes healthcare...
It is currently in fashion for certain people to call this all kinds of nonsense (and sometimes mutually exclusive) names like Fascist, Socialist, Marxist, Communist, etc... but I can assure you they aren't... People in the US are just brainwashed..
As and example, I give you Australia... Fiercely Independent, and one might even say "libertarian" right? Growing industry, Growing economy, and Rising Dollar.... They also have Universal Healthcare (that they call Medicare by the way), and Universal Retirement, and Zero Interest student loans....
Why?? Because they are SMART!! Tt is more efficient that way, and it is a strategic advantage! Healthy people work longer, elderly need to be taken care of, and educated people create industries and high paying jobs. They make investments to lift their country.... We are being short sighted and greedy...
I have seen plenty of the "low taxes" and "small government" places in the world, very close up. I know what happens. Mexico...
No thanks...
Uncle Moe
5:46 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Romney and Obama are the same! They are both backed by the same globalist, eugenicist control freak offshore bankers that staged the financial collapse and orchestrated the events of 9/11. RON PAUL 2012! Obama and Romney are arguing over petty, meaningless junk. We need to end the federal reserve and our unconstitutional drone murders in Iraq!
Earl Gray
6:07 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
They act, vote, and govern VERY differently.. THAT is what matters....
If they are the same... Why was Obama FOR this bill, and Romney AGAINST it?
Who was fro the Iraq war? Romney Who was against it? Obama
Who you vote for matters... A LOT
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
10:55 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Moe, I'm a fan. Still owe you a coffee. This week?
6:07 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Fabulous piece on the debate. You need a little time, but it's well worth it. http://www.dancarlin.com/csredir.php?show=Show-239---No-Truth,-No-Consequences
stewart resmer
6:09 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Mitt Romney criticized President Obama for a nearly identical green energy program Romney set up in his state. Three of the six companies the Massachusetts fund invested in are now defunct or struggling.
Mitt Romney's energy policy adviser works for a lobbying firm for a major coal company
Mitt Romney stalled and eventually withdrew from a multi-state "pollution pact" that would cap plants' carbon emissions.
Mitt Romney said the Clean Air Act doesn't apply to carbon emissions.
Mitt Romney opposes regulating carbon dioxide and other gases linked to climate change.
Max R
9:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Stew, thank goodness he opposes regulating carbon. HOLY Bejesus. Why are we regulating carbon. Go hug an iceberg, please.
Uncle Moe
6:22 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
R-Money and Obummer were both confirmed atendees of the Bilderberg and Bohemian Grove conferences, where they violated the Logan act by (as candidates) colluding with foreign corporate and (Rothschild Owned) central banking powers. They both want to continue our economic collapse through the unconstitutional Federal Reserve system, which would piss you off if you knew how it really worked. Romney made millions off of aborted fetus disposal, so he is in no way "pro life'. Barry Soetoro (Obama) has had 39 social security numbers and his current SSN belongs to SOMEONE ELSE! BOTH FRAUDS!!!
6:27 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So, Earl, you don't mind surrendering your civil liberties? You're ok with indefinite detention of US citizens without trial? You also accept Obamas commitment to maintain a presence in Afgihanstan until forever, and his drones and secret war in Yemen and limitless spending? Healthcare isn't going to matter when we fall into the dark ages. You said it yourself. Rome. In its endless quest to expand the empire, in all its greed and fatal optimism. Sacked. Destroyed. Perhaps you think it is a waste of time to vote third party, but its got to begin somewhere. There are a hell of a lot more people welcoming Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's message of freedom than any third party candidate has ever received. The revolution begins ;)
stewart resmer
6:33 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Mitt Romney, who lambasts the "failures" of government-backed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, profits from investments in the firms.
Mitt Romney would repeal the Dodd-Frank bill, which regulates the risky practices that led to the 2008 crisis.
Mitt Romney supports privatizing Social Security.
Mitt Romney signed a budget that cut K-12 spending by $181.6 million (4 percent) and higher education spending by $100 million (10 percent).
Max R
9:18 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Stewart, yes, CUT CUT CUT.
Dodd Frank is a mess and should be repealed. it does nothing to fix what was "broken"
K/12 and higher ED are STATE issues not FEDERAL issues
Argument over
Arnold for president!
7:02 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Fall into the dark ages huh. You quite the alarmist sweetheart. Any chance you are good looking?
Arnold for president!
7:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I am not sure about the other guy no one has ever heard of but ron paul is quite the racist. not that there is anything wrong with that.
7:59 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Ron Paul is not a racist. And please don't waste my life trying to prove otherwise.
Arnold for president!
8:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I don't need to prove it - it has been thoroughly documented. For those of you that can think on your own don't live with blinders on and just follow the hipster crowd - you can start here. It is oK - he just wanted to sell newsletters and all. He wasnt making enough money delivering babies.
8:42 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Eyeroll. Wherehaveyoubeen? He didn't write it and admitted fault for allowing it to be published under his name without reviewing it. And since when is it hipster? God knows I don't want to be afiliated with THOSE people
8:47 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
America has one of the lowest tax rates 4 Millionaires in The World !
8:51 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Republicans Eisenhower & Nixon taxed millionaires at 91% & 70% respectively, today it's only 35% and the millionaires complain about that low rate !
stewart resmer
8:58 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
MILK OF ROMNESIA : Take two table spoons and you too will be talking out yer's with ease too!
stewart resmer
9:21 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
'Too Many Mitts' Utahs Largest Paper Endorses Obama;
Eric Kleefeld - 6:18 PM EDT, Friday October 19, 2012
The Salt Lake Tribune, the largest newspaper in Utah, on Friday endorsed President Obama for re-election rather than the first Mormon presidential nominee, Mitt Romney.
In an editorial entitled "Too Many Mitts," the paper castigated Romney for his frequent reinventions and changes of position:
From his embrace of the party's radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: "Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?"
The evidence suggests no clear answer, or at least one that would survive Romney's next speech or sound bite. Politicians routinely tailor their words to suit an audience. Romney, though, is shameless, lavishing vastly diverse audiences with words, any words, they would trade their votes to hear.
9:55 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
If that paper endorsed Obama last time then so what? What would be news is papers that endorsed Obama last time are now going for Mitt. BTW, there are already several.
Max R
9:39 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Stewart, I just read that article. It's laugable some of the items it mentions, particularly it's admiration of Obama's foreign policy (as our embassies burn and our Ambassador is dead while Obama campaigns)
Anyway, Romney will win Utah's 6 electoral votes easily so the paper's endorsement is worthless.
nice try
Max R
10:52 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Spooner: Bush and his Wall St Cowboys put 9M people out of work --- Wall St was de-regulated by Clinton by repealing Glass Steagall do your homework...
Spooner: decimated 401K plans up the kazoo (again, Wall St was de-regulated by Clinton).
Spooner: We were losing 800,000 jobs a month when Obama took office. Wall St was a big casino (yes as I said again and again, Wall St was de-regulated by Clinton). . .
Spooner: Wall St doesn't create jobs. --- uh yes it does. Just ask Chuck Schumer, the second biggest crook in the Senate. He loves Wall St and loves to redistribute their wealth. Wall St provides somewhere in the neighborhood of 11% of NYC revenue, buddy. So you're incorrect
Spooner: And if it wasn't for the Wall St money in the pockets of politicians, we would have gotten the Volcker Rule attached to Dodd-Frank with more teeth. (we agree on point #1 but not point #2. Dodd Frank is a joke with out without Volker rule.
Spooner: well here's some facts for you from ARRA... just for NJ. State ran out of UI money in 09. Fed supplied additional monies totaling $3.5B. . .came out to $400 per capita for the unemployed. $2.3B went for educational assistance, keeping teachers employed. $2.8B went for Health and Human Services, and $1.2B for Transportation. . --- all waste of money. temporarily funding union jobs. what did that give us? cheaper money and postponing the inevitable.
i think you lost your argument!
11:11 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Max- I don't think so. . .you left out the Texas Senator. . .what was is name...oh yeah Phil Gramm. . .and what party was he operating under. . .why the Republicans!
...and what was Phil Gramm and his dear wife's claim to fame down in the District of Corruption Max. . .maybe with all the Clinton crap you could luciate us on. . .
PS: please don't bring up that scallywag's name. . .next you'll be using the other crook's...Bob Rubin and Andrew Como. Everybody on both sides of the aisle were on a roll promoting the new game in town, SIV's. . .which was really a repackaged creation from the days of Lew Ranieri, when he was at Solomon Brothers, and Larry Fink, the math wonder boy from California.
...so what argument have I loss?
Uncle Moe
12:03 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Ron Paul is FAR from racist! Oh, I know, he's a racist "anti semite" because he doesnt want to help israel stage a war with Iran and have Americans as the cannon fodders! Fool!
4:26 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
I don't like being lied to ...can anyone really believe this Benghazi "video" story .... our intelligence department didn't know it was an organized attack... does Obama think we're that stupid ????
4:36 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
What else do we expect from FAILURE IN CHIEF????
9/12 - CLINTON - "We are working to determine the precise motivations and methods of those who carried out this assault. Some have sought to justify this vicious behavior, along with the protest that took place at our embassy in Cairo yesterday, as a response to inflammatory material posted on the Internet.
September 13
Press Secretary Jay Carney at a briefer in Golden, CO
"I think it's important to note with regards to that protest that there are protests taking place in different countries across the world that are responding to the movie that has circulated on the Internet."
"There is no justification at all for responding to this movie with violence."
September 14
Jay Carney at a White House Press briefing
"We have no information to suggest that it was a preplanned attack. The unrest we've seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that Muslims, many Muslims find offensive. And while the violence is reprehensible and unjustified, it is not a reaction to the 9/11 anniversary that we know of, or to U.S. policy. … The unrest around the region has been in response to this video. We do not, at this moment, have information to suggest or to tell you that would indicate that any of this unrest was preplanned."
4:40 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
September 18
President Obama on The Late Show with David Letterman
Obama: Well, here's what happened. You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character who is– it's an extremely offensive video directed at Mohammed and Islam.
September 19
Matthew Olsen, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center
"Certainly, on that particular question, I would say yes. They were killed in the course of a terrorist attack on our embassy."
September 20
President Obama during a Univision Forum – Miami, Florida
"I don't want to speak to something until we have all the information. What we do know is that the natural protests that arose because of the outrage over the video were used as an excuse by extremists to see if they can also directly harm U.S. interests."
Jay Carney during a press gaggle en route Miami
"It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Our embassy was attacked violently, and the result was four deaths of American officials. So, again, that's self-evident.
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH......on this day it's "SELF EVIDENT IT WAS A TERRORIST ATTACK"
10:55 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Information is now coming out that there was a demonstration with the attack on the consulate. Residents there are quoted as saying militants that were there were yelling about the American video. Faux News and the Republicans are politicizing this too the hilt. . .because of the Presidential Election.
Linda Ensor
11:39 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I wish either candidate would address the global climate change issue, since that is truly a life-and-death concern for the future of our planet. Also, I would be heartened to see those who call Obama "arrogant" to impose the need for honesty on themselves: what they are really saying is that as a Black man, he does not know his place. Let's be open about it--many Obama detractors are upset about having a Black (not Muslim or Kenyan--both lies, by the way..) in office, but they are concerned about revealing themselves to be racists.
Steve R.
12:54 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
What global climate issue? The climate changes four time a year. They're called seasons.
12:54 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
What?! Not true, for me at least and others I know. The problem is his politics and policies not his color.
Max R
8:26 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
What is the Global Climate Change issue that you think needs to be addressed?
And your comment on race is very offensive. Typically those people who accuse others of being racists are showing their own true colors (pardon the pun.)
10:05 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
The earth is over a billion years old and has gone through the ice age, floods, earthquakes, and more. and be around for many more years.
stupidity,laziness, arrogance, unqualified, has no color or religion
11:48 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
"Evolution,ALieStraightFromHell"-Repub. From Ga, Paul Brown, And he is on the Congressional Science Committee !!!!!!
Steve R.
12:01 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
WAKE UP and smell what Barack is cooking.
You're doing this to your children and Grandchildren all the while finding justification in your head why Obama is a great president.
stewart resmer
12:16 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
19) "He keeps saying, 'Look, I've created 5 million jobs.' That's after losing 5 million jobs. The entire record is such that the unemployment has not been reduced in this country." Job creation is net positive since Obama took office in the middle of the worst recession since the great depression. Economists estimate that up to 3 million jobs were created by the stimulus alone.
20) "The kids of those that came here illegally, those kids, I think, should have a pathway to become a permanent resident of the United States and military service, for instance, is one way they would have that kind of pathway to become a permanent resident." But Romney has promised to end President Obama's deferred action directive, which saves some young undocumented immigrants from deportation, though he would not take away visas from people who had already received them. He has also promised to veto the DREAM Act.
stewart resmer
2:19 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
21) "Now, when the president ran for office, he said that he'd put in place, in his first year, a piece of legislation — he'd file a bill in his first year that would reform our — our immigration system… He didn't do it. He had a Democrat House and Democrat Senate, supermajority in both houses." Senate Republicans repeatedly prevented Obama's immigration reform efforts. The GOP actually blocked the DREAM Act from securing 60 votes to pass cloture, denying hundreds of thousands of young undocumented immigrants a path to legal status if they enrolled in college or joined the military. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) even said on the Senate floor that young people lobbying his office had wasted their time.
22) "Any investments I have over the last eight years have been managed by a blind trust. And I understand they do include investments outside the United States, including in — in Chinese companies." Romney's blind trust is not very blind, and includes investments in a company owned by Romney's son.
11:06 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Max- still waiting for your response about TEXAS Senator Phil Gramm. . .and his unwinding of Glass-Steagall. . .and gee. . .what was the name of that Governor from Texas who became President?. . .and what was the connection of Wendy Gramm and Enron...you do remember Enron don't you? That was a Texas Corporation...
Your now beginning to bore me with your obfuscations. . .stay on message and answer the questions!
PS: your comments regarding TARP and the stimulus are a joke, and have no basis in fact. . . go read Christine Romers piece in NYT discussing the stimulus, even as flawed as it was...
11:18 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Here is his record of failure thanks to OH NO
I am often reminded of what Obama said at the 2008 DNC: "If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from. You make a big election about small things." Every day, his campaign is making it smaller and smaller, and the President's poll numbers keep dropping and dropping.
25 million unemployed
$7 Trillion in new debt.
$1 Trillion in WELFARE SPENDING
47 million on food stamps
$1.5 Trillion budget deficits
$500 Billion in UNPAID Medicare spending
$500 Billion in UNPAID Social Security Tax cuts
OBAMA - what HAPPENED TO THE DEBT??? YOU ADDED $7 TRILLION TO IT!!!
11:23 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Romney'sPlan? he won't tell his Plan, try to get details from Ryan & Romney about their budget.