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Obama, Romney: Locals Weigh in on Who Won the 2nd Debate
Tampa Bay area political influencers weigh in on the second presidential debate.
While political analysts scramble to name a winner in the Oct. 16 debate between President Barack Obama and Gov. Mitt Romney, Patch's Florida sites took a different approach.
We surveyed 136 influential conservatives and liberals immediately following the debate and asked them their thoughts on the biggest moments of the evening.
One Democratic respondent wrote, "The president is a real person, one who cares about the future."
One conservative, who felt Romney won by a wide margin, said, "Obama is a good talker, but he has four years of a record for us to look at."
A Democrat who felt that Obama won by a slim margin said, "All Romney wants to cut are Big Bird and Planned Parenthood."
Another "Blue Tampa Bay" respondent felt that Obama won by a slim margin. That respondent, however, was unimpressed by the overall performance.
"Both candidates were a bit too aggressive," the respondent said.
Another Democrat also pointed out a lack of restraint in the Oct. 16 debate: "These debate moderators are wimps," the respondent wrote. "This got out of hand and that reflects poorly on this country. Also, the Republicans play into the hands of the terrorists. I would be surprised if they do not strike us again before the election."
A "Red Tampa Bay" respondent also pointed out a failure on moderator Candy Crowley's part.
"Candy (CNN's chief political correspondent) should not have jumped to Obama's defense – that was not her job," the Republican wrote. "It's a debate – Obama should be able to defend himself. She saw he was stumped and jumped in to help him."
Americans will get another chance to see the two presidential hopefuls debate on Oct. 22 at Lynn University in Boca Raton. The next debate starts at 9 p.m.
Who do you think won the Oct. 16 debate? Share your thoughts in the comments section.
The "Red Tampa Bay" and "Blue Tampa Bay" Survey
Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican activists, party leaders and elected officials in Tampa Bay. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this week's questions. Surveys were conducted Oct. 16 between 10:30 p.m. and 12 a.m. Oct. 17. Patch will be conducting Red Tampa Bay and Blue Tampa Bay surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives and liberals on the ground in Tampa Bay. (If you are an activist, candidate, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in an occasional survey that lasts just a few minutes, please email firstname.lastname@example.com.)
Red Tampa Bay Roster: Shirley Wood (Pinecrest912 Leader) Guyann Bracken-Fay (Liberty School) Chris Shalosky (Fishhawk Republican Club President) Kathy Brown (Fishhawk Republican Club Membership + 912 activist) Stacy Feiler (Liberty Tree Consulting) Deborah Cox-Roush (Hillsborough County Republican Party, former chairwoman; Committee on Arrangements at Republican National Convention) Clif Curry (Local attorney) Art Wood (Hillsborough County Republican Party, Chair) Betty Jo Tompkins (Candidate, House District 59) Mark Proctor (Member of the Hillsborough County Republican Party Executive Committee) Kristina Lade (Manatee County activist) William Lade (Manatee County activist) Clint Miller (East Republican Club, Republican Eexcutive Club) Vanessa Baugh (Republican Manatee County Commission candidate) Jenah Victor (Manatee County Republican Party activist) Toni Parsons (Manatee County Republican volunteer) Carol Whitmore (Manatee County Commissioner) Erwin Beck (President of Republican Club of On Top of The World) Nancy Riley (Pinellas Republican Executive Committee member) Norm Roche (Pinellas County Commissioner) Karen Seel (Pinellas County Commissioner) Joe Paige (Contractor, part of Patriots Inc.) Ginger Rockney-Johnson (Member of the North Tampa Chamber of Commerce ) Bob Silah (Founder Operation Helping Hand) Becky Burgue (Retired Gaither teacher and member of Working Women of Tampa Bay) Amber France (Member of the Carrollwood Area Business Association) Julie Higgins (Carrollwood area activist) Darrel Honick (Pinellas County activist) Allison Kuhlman (Pinellas County activist) William Steven (Pinellas County activist) Jacksons Marrero (Pinellas County activist) Jane Norrie (Pinellas County activist) Bob Newcomb (Gulfport Area Republican volunteer) Jeri Reed (Gulfport Area community activist) Andrew Reder (Gulfport Area student activist) David Hastings (Former Vice Mayor, Gulfport) Andrew Reder (Student president of Stetson Law College Republicans) Christine Brown (Gulfport Area activist ) Gina Burke (Gulfport Area campaign worker) Danie Bothem (Gulfport Area volunteer) Steve Simon (Former Pasco county commissioner) Walter Price (Candidate for property appraiser Pasco) Don Stephenson (Pasco school board candidate) Jack Mariano (Pasco commissioner) Sandy Graves (State committeewoman candidate) Mary Gray Black (Largo city commissioner) Casey Cox (President of Republican Club of Greater Largo) Tony DiMatteo (Pinellas Republican Executive Committee member) Pam Dubov (Pinellas County Property Appraiser) Barbara Stevens (President of Central Pinellas Republican Club) Mike Fasano (Florida State Senator) Bill Phillips (Pasco Republican Activist) Jeff Cannon (Historian and activist in Pasco County) Wil Nickerson (Pasco Republican Activist) Chris Sprowls (Assistant State Attorney) Gus Bilirakis (U.S. representative) Susan Latvala (Pinellas County Commission Chairwoman) Pam McAloon (President of North Pinellas Republican Club) Peter Nehr (State Representative) Bob Gualtieri (Chief Deputy, Pinellas County) Gene Webb (Republican Volunteer) David Jolly (Former aide to Congressman Bill Young, active in Pinellas County Republicans) Alan J. Suskey (Tampa Bay Young Republicans member) Asher King (Sarasota Republican Activist) Joe Gruters (Chair, Republican Party of Sarasota County) Dr. Rich Swier Sr. (Conservative talk show host) Carolyn Mason (Sarasota County Commissioner) Joe Affronti (Temple Terrace Mayor) Temple Drummond (Temple Terrace Community activist) Edward Vance (Temple Terrace City Council Candidate) David Pogorilich (Temple Terrace City Councilman) Frank Chillura (Temple Terrace Mayoral candidate) John Conneely (Delegate to the Presidency 5 Convention) Todd Marks (Lawyer who unsuccessfully ran for Florida House District 57) Greg Chesney (Westchase CDD member) Teresa Trubilla (President of Westchase Artists Society) Peter Condon (Westchase Area Business Association)
Blue Tampa Bay Roster: Martha Bingham (activist), Garry Miracle (activist), Gail Gottlieb (Candidate for State Rep.), Jeannette Figari (activist), Robert Price(president of the South Shore Democratic Club), Chris Mitchell(Hillsborough County Democratic Executive Committee, chair), Lisa Rodriguez(Community Advocate), Terry Flott(Seffner Community Alliance), Angie Angel(East Hillsborough County Democratic Club, president), Mark Nash(Candidate, Hillsborough County Board of County Commissioners, District 4), Myra Jones(volunteer), Elle Principe(Manatee County activist), Carol Graves(Manatee County activist), Sherry Emigh (Manatee County activist), Ken Kisida (Manatee County activist), Hayley Markman (Manatee Democratic Party Associate Executive Director),Adam Tebrugge(Democratic candidate for State House Dist. 71), ANN FRISBIE (President of the Northdale Civic Association), JAN FOWLER (CABA member), LISA DEMMI (CABA member), ADRIENNE FINN(volunteer), SALLY BALLAS(local business owner), Justin Dick (activist), Cristin Rosenmeyer (activist), Jennifer Agisotelis (activist), Jamie Dunnigan (activist), Teresa Householder (activist), Jan Lowe(activist), Denise Lowe (community activist), Linda Craig(community activist), Lynda Friedman (volunteer), Lynn Lindeman(Pasco County Democrats), Clay Colson(Activist: Board Director and Water Issues Chair, Citizens for Sanity.Com, Inc.), Jim Quinlan (Pasco Democrats membership chair), Calvin Branche (Vice Chairperson Pasco Democrats), Beverly Ledbetter (Secretary of Pasco Democratic Club), Rob Marlowe (New Port Richey Deputy Mayor), Bob Langford(City Councilman), Ginny Miller(Councilwoman), Lia Gallegos (Cultural Affairs Advisory), Jennifer Eichenberger(activist), Geff Strik(activist) Ken Welch(Pinellas County Commissioner), Cyndi Fernandez(local volunteer), Vito Sheeley(volunteer), Sharon Samek(New Tampa Democrats), Rodrick Colbert(USF Democrats), Matt Ortner (President of North Port Demoratic Club), Grace Carlson(political marketing), Rita Ferrandino, (Sarasota Democratic Party Chair), Adam Tebrugge (Democratic State Senate Candidate), Henry Bright(State committeeman for Sarasota Democratic Party), Tim Heberlein (president of the Temple Terrace Democratic Club), Grant Rimbey (City council candidate), Cheri Donohue(Mayoral candidate), Tim Lancaster (president of the Temple Terrace Preservation Society), Jamie Robe(community activist), David Long (business owner, former chamber president, community activist), Jeti Wilds (Former host of Citizens Report for WTMP), Venus Jones (Community Activist), Eric Holt(Westchase Dad's Club), Anna Scott (Hillsborough County Democratic Women's Club), Nate Bonilla-Warford(Westchase, Area Business Association Founder)
Donald H
7:02 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney won but by a smnaller margin than the last debate...! Obama just does not seem to have a grasp on reality nor does he supress his monstrous ego...ever...!
allie smaidi
7:25 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If Obama wins this election, I will not continue to work to pay taxes. I'm already paying my "fair share" and will gladly close my company down and sit at home.
10:14 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
No kidding ! We could get free phones, food stamps, free medical, be freeloaders
like the other 50 % of America
Let's pray Romney wins
7:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mittens Meltdown or Hey Mittens now it time for YOU to sit down . How Barrack got his groove back ! Return of the Jedi .Pesky facts get in the way again! Guess Mittens won't be joining "Truth-Tellers".
11:53 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
uh..yeah...I see your anology with Star Wars working...and can also see how Biden somewhat resembles Mel Brooks' Yoda and how the Dems are guided by The Swartz.
11:42 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
As well we can see who the real Obama voters are.
Jacque Mioff
7:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Team Obama bribed Candy Crowley beforehand with a stack of pancakes. Somewhere an IHOP customer sits hungry. What a farce. The fact is the average BO groupie/electorate which doesn't care about national finances, hasn't a clue about foreign policy and who are too stupid to know the difference, and the more puppies they put out the worse it'll get. This country will be lucky to celebrate a tri-centennial in 2076, the way things are going..... and if so, it'll be in Beijing.
12:08 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
In your mind, it sounds like you are already there. If we are not around in 2076, don't count on Beijing being the one who took our place. If we fail to make it to our tri-centennial (I hope you spelled that right because I spelled it the same way) then I think more that likely there won't be much of anywhere good to live anymore. Hang on to your purple berries....they'll probably keep us both alive...as we watch the bomber jet planes turning into butterflies above our nation...
Sara Casm
12:49 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
CJ - great "Woodstock" reference. I'm with Jack - we're screwed if this keeps up.
1:10 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Sara...I knew at least one person here would also be old as dirt...I can take a bath and dust still flys off of me when I walk ;)
8:00 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama still refuses to say how he would change his Policies in next 4 years since the last 4 years haven't been good enough (his own words).
8:40 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Pres. Obama clearly won this debate. The post debate commentators and the viewer polls back this up. Mitt Romney realized how poorly he performed and left the debating hall very quickly after his dismal performance. Last night Mitt Romney stated that he intends to shut down Planned Parenthood. This showed American women that he doesn't really care about their health care. Romney intends to continue the Bush tax cuts for the rich and increase the military budget by 2 trillion dollars. He will pay for all of this by eliminating our middle class tax deductions. Romney also wants to have health care only for the rich who can afford it. He even plans to turn Medicare into a voucher system. He actually thinks that a sickly 80 year old person can go out and get health insurance with their voucher. Romney is simply bad for America. The clear choice for the middle class is Obama/Biden 2012.
Paul Ray
11:40 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Joe C. Although most polls agree Obama won the debate, it was by the thinest of margins. I found them both spewing half truths and some lies. I do not think anyone is the winner when we have allowed these two people to represent us.
12:16 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
''What polls'' are you talking about, Paul? The Democrat ones? Duh. This debate was barely 12 hours ago. Let's wait a few days before anyone starts bragging about who is ahead in ''polls'' on this debate. I have a feeling that on ''this'' one...the ''general opinion'' is going to end up being that it was close to a tie, at best. The Dems needed to do better than that.
11:43 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
This must be the debate you're speaking about!
-Ed Harris-
8:48 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I thought the President won, if there is really such a thing since these are not real debates but more like ads for Democrats and Republicans to use the next day on TV lol The two funniest comments of the evening were: President Obama made ref' to himself saying "when I was President" and Mitt Romney stating being married lowers Gun violence. At the time both were making very good points but had gotten off topic a bit which can lead you down the road of mistakes. lol
All in All it was interesting. I don't think for 95% voters it changed anything, people have mostly made up their minds and we will see in November. I truly wish them both the best of luck and applaud them both for being up on that stage under what must be incredible pressure to perform well. Regardless of which candidate you favor I think its very important to remember and recognize the other candidate is just like you putting himself/herself out there for our benefit.
11:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If Romney can do what he says, he should just do it. He does not need to be President to invest his money in America and build a manufacturing plant and give thousands of people work or own a health insurance company that pays for everything for little or no monthly payment. He has millions of dollars and he could create wealth for the entire country as a business man. Anybody who can't see that he got rich on the backs of Americans and by outsourcing all the jobs is blind as a bat.
The Republicans sent all the jobs overseas with their Corporate Tax Cuts and they hid their wealth from the American Tax Structure. How is that Obama's fault? He says his state is doing great with him as Governor, so what? It is one state, how does that compare to all the issues Obama was handed to as soon as he walked into the door.
I wish more talked about how the Republicans made this mess. The number of job losses is nothing in comparison to being in a depression which is what Obama steered the country clear.
The National Deficit is no different than other countries right now. There is a Global economic deficit. Times have changed.
I think whoever is President has to be able to recognize the changes be flexible. Romney doesn't even know what is going on. Lies Lies Lies. He will say anything and makes no sense at all. If you vote for Romney, you will have to be just like him. He will impose all of his stupid beliefs and you will you be punished for your own thoughts.l
11:41 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
...ahhh....only 8 comments so far...but hold onto your seats....this is going to be a long one. Politics and pets in Gulfport get the hair raised on people here. Can you imagine how long the blog would be if Captain Jay was running against Obama? I'm surprised Lynda does not already have a dozen comments...lol. She must still be stuck up in the Lutz blog. zzzzzzz. Some of the other local Patch blogs on these debates have had well over 200-300 comments and they got too long and difficult to follow. I hope this one get cut off at a reasonable point and then started over with a slightly different twist.
Romney can't brag on how this one went...but one thing is for sure...Obama needed a grand slam homerun. That certainly did not happen. No way. I think how even this deabte turned out more closely matches the sentiments of the people and how evenly divided we are. It's too bad one or the other of them can't take a strong overpowering lead to show we have more of a chance of breaking away from gridlock. Whoever wins, I don't see that happening...and that fact makes solving our nations issues slow and difficult. It does not matter who wins if we are in for 4 more years of gridlock. Whoever it is who wins needs to figure out in dramtic fashion how to take charge and get something done without the old argument about how gridlock has their hands tied. I am sick of hearing that excuse by either party.
Paul Ray
11:45 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
CJ, I think you are right, the determination in most peoples minds of who was the winner will be along party lines period. And Obama needed a grand slam when he slipping in most all of the battle ground states (Florida is showing 7% lead for Mitt) and he did not pull it off. Romney is very smooth in the debates, Obama comes across as inconsistent in his performances. I thin this is what is hurting him. Of course having a Veep line Joe is not helpful either, can you say Dan Quayle? Grin
12:43 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
That is a good summary of how it is, Paul. If indeed the Dems have the mysterioulsy defined ''47%'', then let's say the GOP has a similar 47%. That leaves 6% as a loose definition of what the ''undecided vote'' is. Considering how close the election has been gearing up to be, it has never required ''much'' of a shift in the undecided vote to determine who might win. Even then, it only matters in a very few swing states. I think it is widely agreed the two most significant are Ohio and Florida. I've read that 7% figure you mentioned for Florida, but I'd be relunctant to trust it for now. Maybe in a few days we will have a better idea of how solid that estimate is. Even if Romeny wins, the American public is going to have the same expectations they had with Obama...and if he does not do anything outstanding, then I say ''one and done'' for him also. We need a President that can defeat gridlock and get things done despite it. Tough job for anyone to do, I think. I did not vote for Obama, but after he won I had hoped he would conquer gridlock. He failed. ''One and done'' needs to be the fate of any President if their first 4 years are not ''very'' sucessful. We ''all'', Dems and GOP, have to raise the bar on what we expect of who wins. It will be interesting to see if any lurking ''secret weapons'' are out there that Obama or Romney have to pull out in the next couple weeks. The bad thing is that true progress seems futher than 4 years away, but we still must demand it.
Paul Ray
7:20 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
CJ, the problem is that an experienced administrator is someone that sits down and moderates a consensus; this is a skill Obama lacks. I watched as Clinton and Reagan successfully and repeatedly reached across the isles and united people with compromise, yet another skill I see lacking in this current president. I think one of the largest problems Obama has is that he lacks the understanding of the basics of law passing in this country. The Congress handles the task of creating laws, not the president. I must admit I had high hopes for Both Clinton and Obama and in both cases I was let down for a plethora of reasons.
12:07 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Give me a break. All women have access to health care and birth control. The government is not responsible for handing out condoms and birth control and having tax payers cover the bill. That is the issue with Planned Parenthood. I think that they are a fine organization and provide needed non-profit services. Their budgets should not be dependent upon getting tax dollars. The decision to have an abortion is a moral one. The RIGHT to have an abortion is a legal one.
12:59 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Many services formerly provided by actual government employees have been "privatized" and are provided by either "non-profit faith-based" organizations or private companies such as those who run prisons. This is particularly true in Florida. Many non-profits such as the Salvation Army receive both state and federal funds as well as donations from supporters. Planned Parenthood clinics are often located in rural areas or under-served urban areas where medical services are unavailable. For the health screenings unique to women (pap smears, breast cancer screenings, etc) federal funds help pay to provide low income women access to health care. Preventative health screenings will lower medical costs for everyone. And, no, Sparky, not all women have access to health care or birth control. Many women with serious health issues do not have access to life-saving drugs or to regular check-ups.
1:16 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I dunno Lynda...since moving to Florida, my already fat body has gotten fatter and my son told me the other day if I keep it up I will need to get my breasts looked at by a doctor...does planned parenthood see men also?
Paul Ray
7:35 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Lynda, although what you say sounds on the surface as truth, under the viel is something different. for example, you mention that private companies that run prisons. Well the International Centre for Prison Studies (ICPS) at King's College London estimated 2,266,832 are in the prison system in the US, with private companies managing only 99,000 of those. So less than 5% of the total inmate population. The Salvation Army according to their report submitted to the IRS covering 2011 recieved less than 10% (384M) of it's budget from the United States and yet in return puts back into the community as jobs, shelter,training, education, child care, food, health care, etc over 3.4 billion in return. The final quote of Many Women with seriouos health issues do not have access to life saving drugs or to regular checkups, I would like to see those figures from a reputable source. Not saying there are not some, but the number would more than likely be relatively low to over all population of Woman who do have access.
1:27 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Paul Ray, I was using the examples of the Salvation Army and companies which run prisons in response to sparky's comment that Planned Parenthood should not receive federal tax money. My point was that many non-profit and for profit groups receive federal money for services provided to citizens In many rural areas Planned Parenthood is the major supplier of health care to women. I am sorry that was confusing to you . While the number of Americans who have do not have health insurance (and must pay completely for any health services) varies from 30 to 50 million, surely it is obvious that sparky's comment "all women have access to health care and birth control" is false.
1:06 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If people from the anti-abortion and pro-abortion issues were ''forced'' to decide on ''one'' topic they would ''be required'' to agree on...I think there is a good chance that issue would be ''late-term'' abortions. ''Often'', people from both sides of the abortion issue share some common ground about late term abortions. Not always, though. That said...it seems like it would not be so bad eliminating the right to a late-term abortion. They should have ''some'' sort of a line drawn ''rather than none at all''. Shouldn't they? For example...possibly limiting any late term abortion to more specific rules. What those rules would be, I can't define myself. Obviously, there would be some hard to argue points about whether to allow one or not...but certainly we could limit the right of women to walk in off the street a couple days before they are to give birth and decide to have a late term abortion. Can't we do that? Even if you have a hard time defining abortion as murder...a fetus killed just a few days before being born is hard to justify. How can anyone not consider that murder? Can't we all just agree on this one issue... to have some sort of cut-off week of pregnancy to have one of these? Why isn't this one compromise on this issue not simply made the main issue? Obviously we can't go back to the days of outlawing abortions. That's rediculous. But...late term abortions should not be handed out like birth control pills.
3:05 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
CJ, good for you to seek common ground on this tough issue. I believe the current "rules" in place (Roe v Wade) do limit legal abortion (except in cases where the life of the mother is at risk) to the fetus age of viability, usually 24 to 26 weeks. Science and medical care advances do wonders with pre-mature births (at a cost of $1 million+ per baby) so the viability age may get pushed earlier and the rules can change. The gruesome "partial birth" stories you hear are mostly a myth fostered by people who want to use the shock value. Sometimes a fetus has died in the womb or sometimes a fetus is so deformed it cannot live, for example: one whose organs or brain are outside its body. In those very rare cases, medical procedures may need to take place that are different from a standard birth or "C" section. If you study the statistics, late term abortion for a non-medical reason is both rare and not legal right now. You can see how that common ground has worked out!
Jim Aspen
1:47 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Slight Romney Edge: Momentum Continues
2:07 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Jim, you are living in a state of denial. Even some commentators on Fox News have stated that Pres. Obama won this debate. Only extreme Romney partisans believe otherwise. Pres. Obama had a weak first debate and Romney had a weak and lackluster debate last night. Let's wait and see what happens at the third and final debate. I believe that you will see the polls shift about 3 to 4 points towards Pres. Obama during the post debate polls.
Jason Defant
2:32 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
There is no winner here. Neither of them can fix Congress. In a system where each party battles against each other, it's no wonder our country is so messed up. And Republicans want to blame Obama? Please.
2:42 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I think Romney, did a great job. Obama had to come out swinging,his ego was tapped during the fist debate. Unfortunately.I think Obama will be re elected. Its like a bad relationship and you know its no good,but its familiar and instead of being courageous and taking a chance on the unknown you stay in a rut. I think Obama is a WONDERFUL!!! idealist ,and they are future oriented,however for the short term we need JOBS!!!! AndI dont think that is his main focus. How can it be the jobs just keep dwindking. Obams main focus should have been jobs coming out of the gate. He failed in the most crucial area...That does not make him a bad leader. I dont think he knows how to get jobs going. So I think Romney may have that part down. We realy dont know what a pres will be able to do until they show us! but why would someone want four more years of Obama? after he has shown what he can do. And thats not a lot. Do We Want A Better Relationship Or The Same Old Rut?
S. Ripley
3:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Sorry to keep beating this drum, but a previous post of mine seems to hold true for supporters of either candidate:
My guy = polished, poised, armed with facts.
The other guy = incompetent, rude, liar.
Anybody that disagrees with me = idiot.
Supporting evidence = any web site, video, or sound bite that supports my guy; regardless of accuracy or context
Michael D.
3:08 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
you will be beating the same drum until November 7th.
4:21 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
President Obama......get the transcripts. ...he said to moderator.......Romney, the liar the cheat and quite the aggressive one could only go home with his tail caunght in between his arrogant ass. Obama/Biden 2012
5:56 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Thank You!! Cisco. I live in CA and its unclear who is in the lead in FL. One day its Obama next Romney. I wonder if the lead Obama had was do to,his major campaign contributors owning large shares in the media??? I dont trust any poll at this time. Its getting ugly....
Bob Doyle SR
10:47 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
We see a surprise is coming to Romneyville, as the Florida swing status will be a positive for the people. We are not corparate beings , just humans with issues...:)
Bob Doyle SR
10:42 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
We see a lot of pointless anger in respondents who favor the R/R base, with more joyful connections for President Barack Obama. False Evidence Appearing Real=FEAR. Mr. Romney fails the Honesty Test by his own actions & words. The President HAS a great record of deeds & actions, with pitbull IRISH Joe Biden being a V.P. with honor. There is no winner as large as the electorate.
Paul Ray
10:46 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I think the jist of this all (if you have read all the comments above) is that truth is truely in the ears of the hearer. I heard lies from Obama and Biden (blatant and less so) as well as Romney and Ryan. If one thinks that Obama and Biden have any form of honor than I fear all is truely lost.
Michael D.
2:39 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Paul Ray,
I would say you if you believe that Romney and Ryan have any form of honor the same could be said. All four are liars and will say what it takes to get into office. If you beleive any less you haven't been paying attention in the last 1.5 years of campaigning.
Paul Ray
2:49 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Michael D, my comment about honor was in reference to the above tier comment "The President HAS a great record of deeds & actions, with pitbull IRISH Joe Biden being a V.P. with honor" which I nearly burst into a belly laugh over.
Beth Norquist
11:34 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
How could any Florida woman -- in her right mind -- vote for Mitt Romney?
Romney opposed the equal pay for equal work act (Lily Ledbetter Act) for women.
Romney favors the Blunt Amendment that would deny contraception coverage for women. http://bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/10/17/president-obama-tries-capitalize-women-issues-after-second-debate-with-mitt-romney/BYFJOuHtDdcaNeGIWVajcN/story.html
Romney favors a "personhood" constitutional amendment that would define "life" as beginning at contraception, and could make abortion illegal. When asked to clarify his support, he answered, "Absolutely."
He falsely said at the second debate that he sought "binders of women" profiles to find women to hire as governor, but, actually, he was forced to use binders and signed a promise to use them.
Romney would be terribly wrong for Florida!
Obama's position on each of these issues is completely opposite of Romney and Obama is PRO-WOMEN.
No surprise that most Massachusetts women, those women that know Romney BEST, are expected to vote overwhelmingly for Obama on Nov. 6th.
1:40 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Beth, GOOD JOB!! you researched ( TRUTH ) And I did check the links. And I didnt favour Romney eather. I voted for Obama in o8. And I have posted here before I live in Redding CA the unemployment rate is 12.5% And I just got laid off my job of five years. There are things about both Obama And Romney that I dont like.Obama has done GREAT things and yes he is pro women,but for now I have to look at the economy. I have a 10 year old son to support on my own. With just 26weeks of unemployment,its scary to think what 4 more years could bring with Obama. Romney didnt lie in the second debate,when he said government dont create jobs. Giving tax cuts to small and yes big corparations do.And its not all about big corporations.The town I live in is ALL small business.MIDDLE CLASS If you have time look up Redding Ca job growth Its been 0% for months I drive down the streets and see nothing but closed up shops.If I FELT for one second Obama would even focus a little more on the economy I would vote for him. What I wonder is if hes re elected he has to finish up Obamacare. It took him 18months to get it going.How much more time do we have and its not just my town your town its all of us in this together everyone is just one paycheck away from a layoff.. I have to focus on the big picture JOBS! I do appreciate the info it was very enlightening. THANK YOU!!
2:46 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
No Stephanie...Beth did not do a good job. These local Patch blogs are better severed and more enjoyable with actual comments by users...not simply a bunch of tainted, biased links. Beth has probably ''copy and pasted'' this same thing more than one place. This is ''agenda trash'' and in no way represents Romney's full views on these matters. All Beth has done is present some links with ''spins'' on them. Any claim that Obama is more for women than Romeny are nothing but simple campaign rubbish. Both these men are in truth probably equal in their views on many women issues...like most people are. The Romney postition does not want to ''get rid'' of virtually ''anything''...but he is stating up front that in order to fix the economy...new change...new rules...are going to be needed ''across the board'' on just about everything. Romney is not ''against'' planned parenthood...but he is against any ''fraud'' within in it. It would probably astonish many of us if we new the amount of tax money that goes to free birth control pills, abortions, etc to women who have the money to pay for them. This is ''fraud'' to collect entitlements if you do not legally qualify for them. This nation has forgot this type of fraud ''is a serious crime''...and those who do it are simply ''thiefs''. To seriously put a stop to fraudulent tax paid entitlement claims could single handedly eliminate our natianal debt. It's no wonder Obama is so popular. He is like a free ATM machine for tax fraud.
3:05 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Beth. No way can I address all your comment. There is not enough space here. You wrote:
''Romney favors a "personhood" constitutional amendment that would define "life" as beginning at contraception''
Look, Beth..you need ''help'' on this if you don't beleive life begins at conception. You need to conquer this mental block you have on this. ''Of course'' life begins at conception, Beth. Believing this or not does not have a whole lot to do with why abortions should be legal ''anyway''...but life ''does'' begin then. We forget that before abortions were legal, women rightfully desparate did various things to have them ''anyway''. I am old enough to remembe many women dying from complications over DIY abortions. This is single handedly possibly the main reason that abortions ''ever'' became legal: Becasue women will have them anyway if they are outlawed. Nothing in todays time has changed that. Sorry to get too graphic here with what I am going to say next...The days of drinking lye, or bleach, or using coat hangers, being punched in the stomach..etc needed to end. That's enough examples...they are too horrible to remember those days...but hose days will return if abortions are oulawed. Romney and everyone else knows this. He ''is not'' going to outlaw abortions, and it is rediculous if you beleive that Obama propaganda. What Romney does beleive in is tighter rules and descretion and making people pay for abortions who can afford it instead of using tax money.
12:59 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
CJ, The Hyde amendment prohibits any federal tax money from being spent on abortions. In fact, women who serve in the military or women who are spouses of serving military are prohibited from using their health coverage or base medical facilities for abortions at all. No exceptions for their lives at risk either, although some local facilities might waffle to save lives. The GOP opposes Planned Parenthood receiving any federal funds, although 97% of its services are health care. I think you underestimate the zealotry of abortion opponents. If Gov Romney is elected, abortion will cease to be legal in the United States. And, CJ, many, many people believe that life begins with the first breath outside the womb. The "personhood" campaign will mean the end of infertile couples having the option for fertilization options. It will outlaw forms of birth control which are now legal. It will complicate laws involving inheritance. You seem to be a smart person, I continue to be astonished about what you do not know. What have you read that you think Gov. Romney's approach to abortion and contraception is "tighter rules. . . and making people pay for abortions. . . instead of using tax money." No one, absolutely no one, is allowed to use federal tax money for abortions now. That is not propaganda. That is a solid fact.
10:14 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Hogwash, Lynda. there may indeed be changes coming related to abortions...but that is plain silly to believe they will be made illegal. I already explained why we will never go back to the day of abortions being illegal. I am not going to repeat them because it is terrible stuff to print more than once. The days of women having freedom to do abortions like they are using zit cream need to end, though. You wrote: ''You seem to be a smart person, I continue to be astonished about what you do not know''. You know what, Lynda...you deal out some stuff all the time that we need waist high rubber boots to get through...but ''what you think you know'' is what's atonishing. That is sometimes a very special high horse you set on. You see the world through rose colored glasess...and that is fine. I consider you harmless, because I know you are not hostile and your mean well...but certainly do not see you as a person to agree with. You could be my wife. I can be very sure you do not have the long and wordly experiences I do. They say you should never judge a person until you walk a mile in their shoes. You could walk around the world in mine and still only know what you know. Everywhere I have ever been, I get along with people and am considered a friend to turn to for advice. I know where I stand on ''what I know''...and I will always know more than you on a practical level. You need to change what you read. You are wasting yourself being a liberal. There's a better place for you.
10:42 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
yOh...and by the way...you need to brush up on the Hyde Amendment...you must of only read or know what you have heard someone else repeat...you are incorrect about it. there is no winning with you...but The Hyde goes back to the 70's....and teh late 50's, 60's, and 70's are my era...and I was very invloved with a lot of things politically and otherwise back then. Plus...I have considerable personal experience with abotions...let's leave that at that..You keep reading what you want to believe...I choose to know the stuff between the lines you will never get.
3:06 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Stephanie, Simply giving tax breaks to corporations does not guarantee that a single job will be created. We gave hugh tax breaks to corporations during the Bush administration and it didn't solve our unemployment problem. It just increased our national debt. Unless corporate tax breaks are tied to hiring a certain number of employees, the corporations often just pocket the extra money. Corporations greatly benefited from the Bush tax cuts and now have over $3 trillion dollars in liquid assets that they are not using to create new jobs. For example, Bain Capital took full advantage of the Bush corporate tax cuts. Mitt Romney just went and hid his millions of dollars in profits in overseas bank accounts instead of creating new jobs in America. More corporate tax cuts may make corporations richer, but it doesn't guarantee that any jobs will be created.
4:15 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
You are right Joe, There are no guarantees,but who would want to open a business in the town I live in,with an unemploymnet rate of 12.5%?? So, open a business,can the people afford anything other then rent and food? not here...Also,my x boss that runs a small business said the payroll tax on her staff making over the 8.00 an hour min wage was killing her!! and I made 11.00 dollars and hour ,it got me laid off and replaced with a women from the welfare (CALWORKS) See the x boss gets an even bigger tax cut for hiring walfare recipents..Oh and I found out shes 40 years old and this is her first job.. She also gets to keep part of her welafe check abd she gets a paycheck.. Is this the 47% romney was talking about?as for Romeny and his money I dont care.... The 47% which I guess thats me now, was made under Obama.. We cant just keep blaming rthe rich (quote) There will always be poor people,but look at all the good you got (jesus) Thank You Joe, I do appreciate your opinion..
4:00 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
You know what is even more than scary? The fact that we are being lied to, because it's ok to lie, unless, it's to another Mormon's face! ( Part of the Mormon Doctrine) People wake up to the fact that you are bring led by the nose, by Pinocchio himself. It's been tricky Dick in the past and now we have. ....tricky Mitt!
4:31 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Are you serious? So, lets judge Romeny on his faith?? What is Obamas Faith?? Do your research. Beth got so can you.....
7:55 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Yes I will bring Romney' s religion because fundementally he believes it' ok to lie. That is how he and alot of his fellow Mormons are doctrined. Obama is a Christian and fundamentally we are told not to lie and be honest, so fundamentally there is a big core difference in the two faiths. Romney believes his own lies, and can't even keep up with them. There is something very wrong here with the man that is dying to be president for how many years now? Obama/Biden 2012
1:58 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Obama does nothing but lie. The man is a fake and being a member/associated with the Rev. Wright that would be something very wrong here to me.
8:27 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Pls.....google.......Lyng For The Lord.......and go to the Mormonwiki.org
8:47 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Mormon Faith is scary,but to me,the main objective in any religion is care about each other. different branches one tree.. I dont agree with Romneys faith at all!! What I have to look at, is who Romney or Obama can help our economy. Its rather sad,because both men do have good ideas It comes down to is they can talk,the talk but who can walk the walk.. What I would love to say to both these great minds is, Look to your left and there is your brother,look to your right and there is your brother. I dont want to be like the middle east where there is war over religion.. Thank You Monica..
10:49 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Stephanie, Sorry, but it really sounds like you are makng up the fact that you know anything at all about the Mormon's. The shortest sentence to describe them is that they simply feel Joseph Smith was visited by Mormon the Angel to share more recent, updated, info to add to what's in The Bible, which the Mormons mainly live by and they feel they have the burden of preparing the world for the end of times.(long sentence)
12:59 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Romney loves to talk about his record as Governor and how he balanced the budget. What he didn't say is it's the law for the Governor to balance the budget each year in his state. But have you asked yourself what is the reason he is running 15 points behind Obama in Massachusetts? Read the link below and pay particular attention to people having to be out of the hospital within 20 days no matter how ill they were. Also the lay-offs of cops, teachers and firemen. Also thousands dropped from any insurance. And this was before the economy got bad.
11:55 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Carlos, I looked into Romneys record in Massachusetts. And If I where him I would be ashamed,and he is not gooing to win that state,because of it. We also have to look at Obamas record. Nether one is perfic. The difference that I do see,is Romney dont have to have everything his way. You have to give and take. For now I have to look at the economy. I just dont feel Obama knows what to do in that area. I dont think its a matter of him not caring, he does.. I voted for him in o8, but I have 25weeks left on unemployment, I do live in CA where this state takes EXELLENT care of its poor, And most of the welfare and free childcare that you can get the red guys agreed to. So both sides have there good points and bad.. What it comes down to again we know What Obama will do we have seen it for for years. What we dont know is if Romney does win what will he be like? its about taking chances and the not knowing. Like I said before they can talk the talk but who can walk the walk.. thanks carolos...
1:49 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
There's an interesting story about the Olympics Romney "saved". Not saying he didn't work hard and do his job but I am saying he didn't do it alone and got lots and lots of money from lobbying and a whole lot of Federal money that he seems to complain about so much now.
12:35 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
The link you provided is the view of a democrat which is hardly evidence, here's a true video of Mr. Romney's interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Yvp8lQpxDU#!
1:29 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Here's another video on Opening Speech of 2002 Olympic by Mr. Romney; http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=S8Yp9SVSWJU&feature=endscreen
10:51 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Stephanie, your are welcome, I have to say one thing, no matter what religion, the truth is the truth there is no inbetween. If we are to believe in our public servants, then at least give us the truth. This rocking the truth back and forth to self serve you is not acceptable. We should not cawl down to a liar whom just wants to fullfill his own self serving prophecy. No, absoloutely not. Obama/Biden 2012
2:24 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Voting for Romney/Ryan will only ensure that the top 1% will take complete control of our country. The rest of us will just have to fight over the crumbs that they will leave us. The Ryan budget makes clear that the rich will pay little to no future taxes. This is because the Ryan budget eliminates all capital gains taxes for investment income, but does not eliminate taxes for income earned through wages. Since the wealthiest earn their money through investments and not by working a job, they will pay no future income taxes. Only the working classes will be left paying all of the federal income taxes. The Ryan budget also eliminates most of the middle class safety net and will turn Medicare into a voucher system. We will only get a small voucher and will be forced to negotiate with private health insurance companies for health coverage when we are old, sickly, and in mental decline. This is the Romney/Ryan plan for America. Protect the richest in our society at the expense of the rest of us. The only serious choice to protect the middle class is to choose Obama/Biden 2012.
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7:35 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Boogady, boogady, boogady mentality + snide racist rants
Clearwater Gal is beyond belief; what a sad indictment of the Florida education system.
8:34 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
You think the chocolate jesus comment is racist? It is within the limits of what people should be kk with...you are just trying to call the race card for nothing. Have no doubt....Obama winning and most of his black supporters voting for him simply because he is black defined Obama as a racist canidate long ago....don't blame Cleawater Girl for it. Your the one who is pathetic...not her. Clearwater girl has a good head on her shoulders ...she knows the deal. I promise you..if Obama wins again...even teh blacks will hate him once they realize what he has ..and is doing. Just everyone wait until they figure out we can't rely on our jobs givng us health insurance any longer. All the workplace is going to end up doing is supplying the paperwork for us to fiil out for Obama care...and handle the deductions out of our paychecks. Many, if not most , employers will barely cover just the employee noe days....the spouse and kids are going to be SOL. Even ''3'' years ago more companies paid most of the insurance for the employee and the spouse and kids. Not so much anymore. Just think of how it will be to be a yound family with health care they can't afford. Just wait. You dem morons are so stupid.


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King Tide coming to DC What do Dr. Sylvia Earle, Dr. Jane Lubchenco, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse, Representatives Ed Markey and Sam Farr, a syndicated cartoonist, a coast guard admiral, a port director, an oyster farmer, a young sub pilot and a coastal paddler all have in common? They, along with hundreds of other ocean champions, will be participating in Blue Vision Summit 4 this May 13-16 to send a message to our nation's leaders in Washington: "Now is the time. Our oceans are rising and our voices are too!" More
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Hello all.
I have Beryl (version 0.2.1) running (albeit a bit slow) on my IBM Thinkpad T30 (w/ 1GB ram upgrade).
The problem is that when I try to enable new settings in the beryl manager nothing takes effect.
A good example of this is when I try to add a custom skydome or cube cape image and beryl ignores my new settings and defaults to the base configuration. Please help!
BTW: I also have an issue with the very top of the boarder of the windows turning white when they're maximized. It's not a big issue but a solution for that would be appreciated as well.


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Curiouse how others deal with marginaly or completly non proitable scraps.
I have seen a few posts stating nothing goes to the landfill, How is that done without taking a loss??
Things such as mid grade , low grade boards cost more money to ship than they pay out. so do you (as I have been)sell them at the same time as your high grade boards and such there by reducing you $ per # so that it lets you make such claims ( in my case keep legal) or do you just have that much volume so as to reduce your cost per # on freight (if you have a UPS account with the third highest discount rate the best rate you get is a 50# box @ .27/# so that has to be deducted from your price quoted)
I have pretty much limited myself to computors for this reason as I rarely have any low grade boards to deal with but with the number of old amps and other electronics I run into it pains me to pass them up. and luckily for me I have been able to work out a deal with a few local scrapers who do not want to deal with internet sales to trade at a loss with shredable steel which works for me as I do not have the space to store enough of the bulkier stuff to warrent a trip to those yards.
I know this is something nobody likes to think about but it is reality, We take trash, harvest what we can sell and generate what is now known as waste that we legaly must deal with unless we can find a buyer.
I am still trying to figure out how to find buyers for some of my waste such as plastics that are no longer attached to something steel that is not accepted in the shred pile you know those things that try as we may to leave attached but come off anyway, that make supper glue come to mind but then the glue costs more than the weight of the plastic adds to the pile.


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When I teach Microsoft Word I also teach a lot of fundamentals that help with everyday computer use. I don't jump up and down and say "hey these are fundamentals," but the things you learn in my free Microsoft Word 2010 tutorials will make learning other software such as Excel, PowerPoint and Outlook 2010, so much easier.
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Before he came to WAY-FM, Wally worked at various rock stations for a number of years, and he even did a couple years at Radio Disney (that was bizarre). Most recently Wally did a morning show at one of the biggest alternative rock stations in the country, 99x in Atlanta. "I know what it's like to live in the real world and have your faith tested every day," says Wally, "The fact is you probably work in a place where other people don't understand your values or beliefs either.
I can relate to that. I also know what it's like to be less than perfect in that world. The bottom line for me is... if you are the kind of person who hears the Bible verse 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone,' and you look for cover instead of a rock... you're going to love this show."
Join Wally, Katie Rose, Zach every weekday morning on WAY-FM!
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Jeff was born in Germany and grew up in Seattle. He has worked in radio in Seattle, Portland, Denver, and numerous other cities across the country. Jeff and his wife Tawsha have a home with their awesome son Colton who was born in 2008, and two dogs. Tawsha is a runner who recently completed her first half-marathon, and is working on talking Jeff into one. Pre-kids, they loved to travel. Now, they're trying to figure out how to make that work. Jeff loves talking music, faith, life, and growing together.
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Marcia has been on the air at WAY-FM since 1997.
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Modeled on similar projects at The British Library and the National Library of Medicine, our "PictureIt" site
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The first of our treasures accessible in this way is volume one of John James Audubon's Birds of America. Our
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The name Mark Levinson is familiar even to those who couldn't care less about audio. It's been mentioned in numerous Lexus commercials, because Mark Levinson audio systems are an option in the higher-end models. Audio enthusiasts know Levinson as the founder of the company that still bears his name, and that 40 years later still makes some of world's finest audio electronics, although under different ownership.
Levinson has been a prominent figure in the audio biz since 1972, but he's been fairly low-key for the last 10 years. Now he's coming back with what he says will be his last audio company and his last audio system. A couple of weeks ago, I got to be one of the first in the U.S. to give it a lengthy audition.
The new audio company is called Daniel Hertz. If that name has a familiar ring, it's because of the 19th-century physicist Heinrich Hertz, who first confirmed the existence of electromagnetic waves and for whom the unit for cycles per second is named. But Levinson isn't just borrowing a famous-sounding moniker. "He was my great uncle," Levinson told me. "Hertz is my mother's maiden name, and Daniel is my father's name."
Daniel Hertz products are for the most part made at the company's headquarters in Neuchâtel, Switzerland. The exceptions are the speaker cabinets, which are made by the Petrof piano factory in the Czech Republic.
Prospective customers will be able to audition the products in showrooms the company is setting up in New York City and San Francisco, as well as in cities in Asia and Europe. Levinson said he may work with independent audio dealers in the future.
The Daniel Hertz line comprises three speaker configurations, one preamp, and one monoblock amplifier. There's no esoteric engineering here; the focus is on time-proven technologies.
"When I started in the audio business, Paul Klipsch [the literally legendary founder of Klipsch Speakers] asked me, 'Young man, have you read the 1936 papers from Bell Labs?'" Levinson remembered. "I hadn't, so he sent them to me. Of great importance in these papers is the subject of efficiency in loudspeakers. So I decided to explore high-efficiency transducers."
Levinson then explained that when you put power into a speaker, you get two things out of it: sound and heat. He feels that considerable fidelity is lost when much of an amplifier's power is wasted by generating heat in a speaker's voice coil. Thus, Daniel Hertz speakers are all designed to deliver 100 dB sound pressure level at 1 meter with just 1 watt of power. As a result, they require only about 6% as much power as a typical speaker.
Obviously, most speaker designers don't feel efficiency is all that important, especially when powerful amplifiers are so readily available. But there's no denying that Paul Klipsch would have agreed with Levinson on this point; the Klipsch brand has always been known for high efficiency.
Daniel Hertz speakers are available in three configurations: the massive, 330-pound flagship M1 tower speaker; the M2/M3 satellite/subwoofer system; and the M7, a midsized full-range speaker. All configurations share the same horn tweeter and 12-inch midrange/woofer. The M1 tower and the M3 subwoofer add an 18-inch woofer.
Because these speakers consume only a few dozen milliwatts at normal listening levels, the M5 amplifier is engineered specifically to sound great in such lower power ranges. (As you can see in distortion-vs.-power output measurement curves, many amplifiers produce fairly high distortion and noise at very low power levels.) Yet the amplifier's maximum output is rated at 200 watts into 8 ohms, which Levinson says allows the company's speakers to hit 126 dB SPL. Each amp has a built-in 80 Hz, 18 dB/octave filter that can be set to high-pass, low-pass, or bypass; this filter is used to create the crossover for the 18-inch woofer. Levinson said the amp is biased so that it runs in Class A at levels up to about 118 dB SPL, and in Class B above that.
The M6 preamp looks as simple as a preamp can. There's nothing there but an input selector, gain and power switches, and the smoothest-turning volume control I've ever encountered. There is one concession to modernity, though: an integral digital-to-analog converter with USB input.
I have told ML as well as Forsell & other hybris-affected HE-fiddlers already 30-40-50 years ago that it´s not enough simply borrowing & copying old ideas, adding an exaggerated luxarious finish & then multiplying the price 10 - 50 or even 100-fold.
The laws of physics & the general acoustic rules & principles doesn´t change only because of those cheap thrills & larger price--tags!
Im though thrilled to see & hear that ML is starting on the track that I 50 years ago did for high-efficiency speakers.
My equipment though has had a normal price-tag; although beeing 100 - 150 years ahead.
BUT the narrowly commercially aimed mag´s & warehouse-chains etc have not been paying much attention to us very few serious & devoted pro´s in the audio-business.
One exception was in the Norwegian Magazine; "LYD & BILDE" when Knut Wadseth wrote an article about some of the over 200 products; open-type- & horn-loudspeakers, the TRUETRACK Granite Turntable, signal- & loudspeaker-cables, control-units & power-amps. The early generations of amplifiers were devoloped together with Jan-Olov Bernhard; making up the very first in the world modern cross-over-distorsion-free, electronically balanced input, TIM-free power amps and ditto straight-line control-amps that were called ALTA.
If someone is interested to know & see the truth; have a loook at this rest of a web-site & You´ll get an idea! http://www.mamut.net/sperrling/default.htm
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Logging in twiceFor some reason, I sometimes need to log in twice to actually get logged in. When I log in the first time, it goes back to the normal page when you are not logged in, with the log-in fields at the left. It does do the "Logged in successfully" screen. It does it in both Firefox and Chrome. I haven't tried it in any other browsers. Linux FTW #2 2010-02-08 05:53:28
Re: Logging in twiceWelcome to the inner inner circle, my friend. Imagine for a moment that even an earthworm may possess a love of self and a love of others. #3 2010-02-08 11:44:49
Re: Logging in twiceHi simron; In mathematics, you don't understand things. You just get used to them. 90% of mathematicians do not understand 90% of currently published mathematics. I am willing to wager that over 75% of the new words that appeared were nothing more than spelling errors that caught on. #4 2010-04-10 07:57:48
Re: Logging in twiceI just stay logged in after i x out of the screen, try that. When you're old and your eyes are dim, There ain't no old shep gonna happen again We'll still go walking down country lanes, I'll sing the same old song Hear me call your name #5 2010-04-28 10:16:19
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Modelling Distributed Energy Resources in Energy Service Networks
The smart-grid concept can mean many things, however there is a consensus that its objective involves seamlessly adopting new technologies to existing infrastructures and maximising the use of resources. Modelling Distributed Energy Resources in Energy Service Networks focuses on modelling two key infrastructures in urban energy systems with embedded technologies. These infrastructures are natural gas and electricity networks and the embedded technologies include cogeneration and electric vehicle devices. The subject is addressed using a holistic modelling framework which serves as a means to an end; this end being to optimise in a coordinated manner the operation of natural gas and electrical infrastructures under the presence of distributed energy resources, thus paving the way in which smart-grids should be managed. The modelling approach developed and presented in this book, under the name 'time coordinated optimal power flow' (TCOPF), functions as a decision maker entity that aggregates and coordinates the available DERs according to multiple criteria such as energy prices and utility conditions. The examples prove the TCOPF acts effectively as an unbiased intermediary entity that manages cost-effective interactions between the connected technologies and the distribution network operators, therefore showcasing an integral approach on how to manage new technologies for the benefit of all stakeholders.
Nonlinear and Adaptive Control Systems
An adaptive system for linear systems with unknown parameters is a nonlinear system. The analysis of such adaptive systems requires similar techniques to analyse nonlinear systems. Therefore it is natural to treat adaptive control as a part of nonlinear control systems. Nonlinear and Adaptive Control Systems treats nonlinear control and adaptive control in a unified framework, presenting the major results at a moderate mathematical level, suitable for MSc students and engineers with undergraduate degrees. Topics covered include introduction to nonlinear systems; state space models; describing functions for common nonlinear components; stability theory; feedback linearization; adaptive control; nonlinear observer design; backstepping design; disturbance rejection and output regulation; and control applications, including harmonic estimation and rejection in power distribution systems, observer and control design for circadian rhythms, and discrete-time implementation of continuous-time nonlinear control laws.
Control Theory: A guided tour
Using clear tutorial examples, this fully updated new edition concentrates on explaining and illustrating the concepts that are at the heart of control theory. It seeks to develop a robust understanding of the underlying principles around which the control subject is built. This simple framework is studded with references to more detailed treatments and also has interludes that are intended to inform and entertain. The book is intended as a companion on the journey through control theory, and although the early chapters concentrate on fundamental ideas such as feedback and stability, later chapters deal with more advanced topics such as state variables, optimisation, estimation, Kalman filtering and robust control.
Developments in Control Theory Towards Glocal Control
Glocal control, a term coined by Professor Shinji Hara at The University of Tokyo, represents a new framework for studying behaviour of complex dynamical systems from a feedback control perspective. A large number of dynamical components can be interconnected and interact with each other to form an integrated system with certain functionalities. Such complex systems are found in nature and have been created by man, including gene regulatory networks, neuronal circuits for memory, decision making, and motor control, bird flocking, global climate dynamics, central processing units for computers, electrical power grids, the World Wide Web, and financial markets. A common feature of these systems is that a global property or function emerges as a result of local, distributed, dynamical interactions of components. The objective of 'glocal' (global + local) control is to understand the mechanisms underlying this feature, analyze existing complex systems, and to design and create innovative systems with new functionalities. This book is dedicated to Professor Shinji Hara on the occasion of his 60th birthday, collecting the latest results by leading experts in control theories to lay a solid foundation towards the establishment of glocal control theory in the coming decades.
Further Advances in Unmanned Marine Vehicles
The previous volume Advances in Unmanned Marine Vehicles brought together eighteen chapters describing research and developments in unmanned marine vehicles (UMVs). It was observed that almost without exception research groups worldwide were developing and working on real UMVs which means that they are able to test, evaluate and re-evaluate their designs in relatively quick succession, thereby rapidly reporting new approaches, techniques, designs and successes. This rapid design-evaluation cycle is the prime mover for progress, not only for consolidating designs but also leading to new design ideas and innovation. Since its publication in 2006, Advances in Unmanned Marine Vehicles has proven to be a useful and popular source of reference. However, the rapid design-evaluation cycle means further advances have been made which need to be reported. Thus, the seventeen chapters contained in this volume cover further advances in autonomous underwater vehicles, remotely operated vehicles, semi-submersibles, unmanned surface vessels whilst operating autonomously and/or in co-operation with other types of UMV. This book will be of interest to undergraduates, postgraduates, researchers and industrialists who are involved in the design and development of UMVs.
Frequency-Domain Control Design for High-Performance Systems
This book serves as a practical guide for the control engineer, and attempts to bridge the gap between industrial and academic control theory. Frequency domain techniques rooted in classical control theory are presented with new approaches in nonlinear compensation that result in robust, high-performance closed-loop systems. Illustrative examples using data from actual control designs are included.
Optimal Adaptive Control and Differential Games by Reinforcement Learning Principles
This book gives an exposition of recently developed approximate dynamic programming (ADP) techniques for decision and control in human engineered systems. ADP is a reinforcement machine learning technique that is motivated by learning mechanisms in biological and animal systems. It is connected from a theoretical point of view with both adaptive control and optimal control methods. The book shows how ADP can be used to design a family of adaptive optimal control algorithms that converge in real-time to optimal control solutions by measuring data along the system trajectories. Generally, in the current literature adaptive controllers and optimal controllers are two distinct methods for the design of automatic control systems. Traditional adaptive controllers learn online in real time how to control systems, but do not yield optimal performance. On the other hand, traditional optimal controllers must be designed offline using full knowledge of the systems dynamics. It is also shown how to use ADP methods to solve multi-player differential games online. Differential games have been shown to be important in H-infinity robust control for disturbance rejection, and in coordinating activities among multiple agents in networked teams. The focus of this book is on continuous-time systems, whose dynamical models can be derived directly from physical principles based on Hamiltonian or Lagrangian dynamics.
Distributed Control and Filtering for Industrial Systems
In recent years technological advancements in the design and fabrication of integrated circuits have led to the development of cost effective, low power, thumb-size devices that can be used for sensing/actuating, communication and computing. This trend is enabling a surge of new applications for which pervasive network architectures are being developed. A key feature of these systems is that they are decentralized and communication among different subsystems may be unreliable. From an engineering viewpoint, to ensure correct operation, the theoretical analysis requires a fundamental paradigm shift, as many of the typical assumptions of systems and control theory cease to hold. Distributed Control and Filtering for Industrial Systems provides an introduction to the control and filtering algorithms devised for distributed environments, with a particular emphasis on industrial applications. Topics covered include control architectures for interconnected systems, recent developments in distributed model predictive control for interconnected networked systems, methods for designing distributed linear quadratic controllers for various classes of systems, designing distributed dynamic output-feedback controllers, characterization of distributed consensus control methods, distributed estimation techniques, distributed Kalman filtering methods, experimental setups and simulation of pilot-scale industrial processes.
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