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Rep. Renée Kosel: Same Sex Marriage Bill is Hot Topic in the House
The bill to legalize same sex marriage has stirred a debate among legislators on both sides of the aisle.
While only one Senate Republican voted in favor of the same sex marriage bill that gained approval of the Illinois Senate, Rep. Renée Kosel, R-New Lenox, foresees significant debate in the House of Representatives.
"It's a bipartisan issue. I'm not supporting it," she said, but the bill has advocates on both sides of the aisle. "I haven't done a head count, but it's close," said Kosel, who represents the 37th District, serving all or portions of New Lenox, Mokena, Frankfort, Tinley Park and Orland Park.
Personally, Kosel said the bill runs counter to her faith. At the same time, what concerns her is how the bill would affect religious organizations. The legislation becomes problematic in regard to the religious liberty of church organizations. There are questions about the bill's potential to infringe on the rights of organizations' basic beliefs by refusing protections that limits property use policies.
Speaking of the issue of religious liberties, the sole Republican to vote in favor of the bill on Feb. 14, Bloomington's Sen. James Barickman, addressed the matter in story in the Pantagraph. "The language in the amendment preserves those religious liberties that are so important to so many people."
Sen. Michael Hastings, an Orland Hills-based Democrat whose 19th legislative district stretches from New Lenox to Matteson, voted in favor of the bill.
Hastings was one of 34 senators in a bipartisan vote to advance Senate Bill 10 to the Illinois House – a bill that redefines the state's definition of marriage.
"This is a controversial issue that I did not take lightly," Hastings said. "But after speaking with constituents and community leaders, it was clear that a majority supports marriage equality."
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Jessica Sredzinski
6:17 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Really Renee, it is against your faith? It is not about you. Get over yourself.
Eric Blair
6:57 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
How about this: "it just ain't right." Reason enough to vote down this madness.
7:38 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
@ Eric: According to whose "laws" ... "ain't" it not right? YOURS? Go look at your own closed-minded mug in the mirror very closely before condemning people you have never met and whose lives YOU have arbitrarily decided aren't right. Might not be "right" for you because you are straight. But others are NOT hetero. So, exactly WHO gave you the power to decide what is right and wrong for others? "mADNESS?" REALLY? Do you peek into other peoples's bedrooms to decide what they "madness" they can and can not perform in the privacy of their own homes? And PLEASE don't pull the bible-thumping routine; it's xenophobic, ill-informed and very tiresome.
Put a bird on it
10:51 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
UGH! Yes, I agree. This is not at all about her and she does need to get over herself. I don't understand why people can't wake up and get over this. Heterosexuals have been ruining the "constitution of marriage" for years.
I don't even see why this is an issue in 2013. And where is the separation of church and state??? Somehow, we've all lost sight of that and it's getting super annoying. I can't believe how many intolerant people are still out there.
Barbara Ariagno
12:20 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Looks like you resent Renee letting everyone know her position. It's against my faith also, should I get over myself? There are many people who for religious reasons or just personal reasons are against same sex marriage. Guess they should get over themselves too. Maybe you need to respect other opinions and get over yourself.
Put a bird on it
12:23 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Here's the difference, Barbara. Our beliefs are not denying anybody their basic rights. Sure, Renee is entitled to her opinion on gay marriage, as all of us are. The difference is that YOUR rights (I'm assuming as a heterosexual) are not being denied or restricted in any way. How are two homosexual people choosing to marry each other affecting or even offending you??
J. Ann
8:41 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
My God, if she can't stand by her faith and moral convictions, we have a problem (and we DO have a problem in America, or "redefining marriage" would not be an issue). She has a right to stand up for what she believes. What's not right is liberals hating on Christians who are not afraid to express their faith. She has NOTHING to be ashamed of. We need more people defending the sanctity of marriage.
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
@J. Ann
>defending the sanctity of marriage
I just spit out my drink. Too priceless.
How do you rationalize legally excluding a class of people from an institution as 'defending'... anything? Dear God, the logical gymnastics your mind must go through have got to be laborious.
J. Ann
12:10 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@Adam---It's really easy; it's about defending what the Bible says is right and safe and moral behavior. It's not against a class of people. It's about righteousness. Don't get caught hating the messenger---I didn't write it, God did. So it's not about "getting over myself" as some would say. Those who say that are a law unto themselves, and can't even begin to consider honoring and submitting to what God---a higher authority---has to say. And He says it because He loves us and cares for our well-being, but we get mad at Him if He tells us things we don't agree with---so I think that is the attitude we have to "get over".
3:53 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@J.Ann: Problem is, not everyone believes in YOUR version of religion! (OMG REALLY??!!) That's why there is separation of church and state.... to avoid the issues that the Pilgrims faced in England with the Anglican/Catholic Church and its oppressive ways. And if you truly believe your way is the only way, then I have a bridge to sell 'ya because you clearly are that gullible and narrow-minded. You are free to practice and believe whatever you want; you are NOT free to impose legal restrictions on someone else simply because your version of "religion" makes you think you are right. In that case, please prepare for Sharia law.... LOL... clearly, mental gymnastics are not your strong suit.
Lori C
3:53 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
J. Ann - Allow me to quote you once again...
"Problem is, we want to define things by our own judgments and feelings, thus making ourselves little gods. That's very dangerous!"
One minute you're telling us what's written in the Bible and the meaning of those words, yet......again, I will quote you.
"We cannot understand the HEART of the Scriptures unless we have the author of the Scriptures living on the inside and enlightening us. Even then, it'll take a lifetime and then eternity to begin to understand it, it's just too deep for our human minds to fathom. Be that as it may, it's a joy and a privilege to be given the opportunity to start that journey. But no one can understand the mind of God except the Spirit of God—
Let's simplify shall we? "Love one another; as I have loved you" and states that: "By this shall all men know that you are my disciples."
"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you."
Bette J
6:51 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
It has everything to do about her faith Jessica!! Unfortunately, no one lives by faith and morals any longer. It's all about them and what they want instead of what God wants & desires for their lives. The Bible clearly states we are to deny ourselves and follow the Word of God. The Bible is clearly against homosexual relationships. It's not the 2 individuals that are in the relationship that the Bible tells us to oppose, we are to love them, however it's their sin that grieves the heart of God and goes against His Word. I'm very thankful that we have elected officials who are sttrong enough in their spiritual convictions to stand up and express their faith in a world that so badly wants to push God out. Thank you Renee for taking a stand!!!
Jessica Sredzinski
5:04 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The issue is, Bette, that Renee is supposed to represent the people, all of them. This would include people outside of her faith. She is a politician, not a church leader. If she would prefer to force others to live by her "faith", she should not be a politician.
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
You can't base civil law off of a religious text. Do you have no regard for the Founding Fathers?
J. Ann
12:31 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I agree Bette, and it's so sad that there are so many angry, insulting, Christian bashers in the world. They have not a clue what the Bible says, and could care even less. It's the result of years of indoctrination in the public schools and of course the liberal media and Hollywood trash. TV doesn't help either. They have drunk the kool-aide and are so very proud of it. We are certainly no longer in Kansas, ToTo! :( What ever happened to denying ourselves and delaying gratification---things like self-control and respect? People have so much hate and anger towards God's way of doing things. They are called the "haters of the Lord" in the Bible, and I would not want to be called that on the day of Judgment. I would rather honor Him and do things His way, trusting He knows what's best for me, even if I have to struggle with it.
about time
6:58 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Renee you need to change with the times. Stop being a follower.
King B Signs & Wonders
7:25 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Thank You Renee for standing up for religious freedoms!
7:40 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Hmmmm,,, thought PERSONAL freedom was the first guarantee of the Declaration and Constitution.... hypocrites! Assuming others should bend to YOUR xenophobic religious beliefs is NOT a protected right.... look it up some time.
9:08 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
It's my religious beliefs that everyone have human rights. So Renee is going against my religious freedom. King - don't you think I have the right to my freedoms? Or is it as long as it agrees with your choices of beliefs?
J. Ann
6:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@Laura---and everyone's a hypocrite but you, right? How do you get on in this world, oh righteous one? :D
9:43 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@J. Ann: I "get on" in this world because I do NOT require that everyone must PRACTICE what I believe or believe what I believe. I believe individuals of ALL religious and spiritual beliefs can live their own lives in fulfuillment, in peace, with love and without prejudice. I assiduously DO NOT interfere (or even assume I have the right!) with their AMERICAN RIGHT to practice life and religion as they choose as long as it does not "harm" others, by limitiing their life choices or physically harming them or their loved ones. You clearly are unable to say the same without hypocrisy in you heart and, now bared to the world! Must feel so GOOD to be you! I feel sorry for your ilk. Organized religion as you admit to practicing it ( based on your specious, prejudiced comments here) is the root of more strife, intolerance and prejudice. How DO you get on in this modern world? LMAO!
7:43 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
How about seperation of church and state? Maybe your faith isn't mine. So how are you representing me Renee?
J. Ann
8:56 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
It's more about keeping the STATE out of the church, and not the CHURCH out of the state. Thomas Jefferson/Danbury church I believe.
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Absolutely nothing from the writings of Jefferson would support what you say, J. Ann. But right-wingers are fans of revisionist, fictional history, aren't they?
J. Ann
12:10 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
He clarified the meaning of "separation of church and state", as I stated. You an atheist?
Lori C
2:10 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
J. Ann - Why is it you assume everyone who doesn't think like you are Atheists? Do you realize just how many times you use that term in your comments? I found at least 6 in comments made by you in Patch postings....yet...this is a direct quote from you...
"We need to love and accept one another, and that includes agnostics and atheists. Let's resolve not to mock one another, or our chosen faith, as mature adults.
J. Ann
6:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@Lori C. Since you were doing your homework regarding my posting history, make sure you double check and see that the young lady I was speaking with on another post claimed she was an agnostic, and was bashing the Catholic church I believe, and I made note that we all need to love and accept one another---and then, in referencing HER (as self proclaimed agnostic), I said that INCLUDED her as an agnostic. I referenced atheists also, because whenever I post a comment about God, I inevitably get a comment about Christian's believing "fantasies and tales", from one "rabidatheist" poster (a nice guy I'm guessing). That is the ONLY reason I dealt with atheism, believe me, and I have nothing against them, other than their general attitude of mockery and twisting of the Scriptures. I hope that helps straighten out your theory, Lori. :)
11:29 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
>He clarified the meaning of "separation of church and state", as I stated. You an atheist?
What he said does not support your misrepresentation. Here is the letter in full - http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
Seriously, how on Earth do you twist this into some sort of bizarre one-way wall? Been paying too much attention to David Barton?
9:08 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
So glad Hastings (my representative) voted for it. Anyone against this bill is on the losing side of history. Some people just use religion as an excuse to be hateful, and it gives true Christians (remember "love your neighbor??") a bad name.
Barbara Ariagno
12:34 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
It has nothing to do with hate E.L., it has to do with what is right. Stop with the "hate" lingo. No one has used that word to protest gay marriage. They just don't believe it's the way God intended. They can spend the rest of their lives together and love each other, but marriage is for a man and a woman.
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
@Barbara A. And you, of course, are in the unique position to determine what is right and wrong, correct? Somehow, I thought that mantel was worn by someone else who mentioned something like, "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone..." You holy rollers make me laugh! So hypocritical; pray in the morning and then act as though you are holier-than-thou once you're out the church doors. Marriage is a legal entity that should be available to anyone who is of age and gives voluntary consent. Religion has nothing to do with the marriage licensing required. And you are so wrong. This entire issue has everything to do with hate, fear, ignorance and religious zealots trying to deny other people their constitutional rights. Get your issues straight: No one is forcing (or even asking) churches to perform religious ceremonies. But the government, whether federal or state, can not discriminate based on gender, any more than it could continue discriminating based on race. Period. You may not like it, but your archaic beliefs do not trump others' Constitutional rights. Legalizing gay marriage doesn't hurt anyone and will help many. Besides, how many "religious" heteros are unable to maintain long-term, exclusive relationships, end up divorced one or more times and still consider themselves more righteous than others? What a crock!
9:39 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
To bring out religious rhetoric. It takes a male and female to procreate. If 2 male together can't do it or 2 females can't do it, it's not natural. That doesn't mean same sex couples can't love each other and spend the rest of their life together, just not in marriage. Illinois has civil unions anyway.
John Paul
10:01 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
If procreation is the sole basis of marriage, men who've had vasectomies or women who've had their tubes tied shouldn't be allowed to get married either. As for civil unions being an acceptable alternative; someone should have told Rosa Parks that the back of the bus gets her home at the same time that the front of the bus does.
12:36 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
So if a man or woman were sterile, unable to have children they shouldn't be allowed to marry? Come up with a better argument.
Opinion 1
9:45 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I appreciate everyone's views; however when they are a bit rude regardless of the side - that is just ridiculous. I personally am in favor of this bill and that does not make me less of an American, less of a religious person, less of a supporter of our government; it makes me an individual - who is a wife and mother and is proud to live in a country that can offer a democratic process. We should consider ourselves lucky to live in this great country who allows people to hear both sides of something and allows for a true vote. People die for this freedom and right!
Saint Michael
10:09 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
It's all about religion and if you don't think it is, then you are about as religious as pelosi is Catholic. It's pretty sad that the left want the government to force onto the right for gays to marry, but they flip out if there's a nativity scene at a fire house in middle of nowhere America. If the gays need to get married so badly, then form your own church and do it - stay out of mine.
And Hasting is such a pathetic tool - who the heck voted for this dope?
12:33 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I think you are confused. 1) you don't need to have a marriage ceremony in a church for it to be legal. 2) the church doesn't have to have a ceremony for anyone they chose not to (and they have denied people already) The Church doesn't control marriage. The church cannot determine who is allowed to marry. If you aren't having a marriage ceremony in the walls of the church, the church has zero say in the matter.
Grace Hopper
10:39 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Stick to your guns, Renee. don't let the loudest minority push you to vote against what the majority of your constituants desire.
If I want to conceal carry, I'm not allowed to in Illinois. everyone tells me to move to a more pro-carry state. How is this different?
The sodomites should move to a more tolerant state. Churches will be required to offer gay marriages against their beliefs. No more separation between state and church.
Eileen Finn
11:12 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Wow, the intellectual deficiency here is astounding. Grace and Renee and "Saint Michael" - get over yourselves. Your religious choice has nothing to do with my rights as a tax-paying citizen. Nor is YOUR religious obsession relevant to MY life or who I love. And if you actually think passing marriage equality would "require churches to offer gay marriages" then you have no clue of what the actual legislation says and you're an idiot and a blind follower who takes every opportunity to wail and gnash your teeth at some imagined assault on your ridiculous religion. Here's a newsflash - your religions doesn't get to determine MY rights. THAT is the true separation of church and state. Also "freedom of religion" should include my right to be free of YOUR religion. It's people like you who made things like the Salem Witch Trials and the Crusades happen..
Saint Michael
11:35 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Is "Get over yourself" the new liberal put down? Can't call me racist on this one? How about Jesus freak? That's always a winner for you atheists.
We are not pushing our beliefs on to anyone, you liberals are shoving your twisted belief onto us and we've had enough.
12:00 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Michael, this would make you a bigot. You are far from Sainthood and I think is insulting to your own religion. You claim equality pushes beliefs onto everyone yet you want people to live by how you interrupt part of a 2,000 year old book you chose to believe in? Tell me, do you insult people with tattoos, people who eat shell fish or figs?
Put a bird on it
11:38 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
When you deny people basic rights, your are pushing your religious beliefs on people. Where is all the peace and kindness you guys love to preach about???
Lori C
12:45 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Hey Bird... go into your Patch settings and adjust your Email Notifications to "Email me when someone writes on my profile board" :-) I sent you a message I'd like you to read.
Put a bird on it
2:40 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Lori C-I changed my account settings, but I can't find the message..
Lori C
4:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Shoot! I tried to send again and it says "Pending Approval"...not sure who has to approve. LOL
Have you looked at the "Board" on your Patch profile and it's not there? UGH...so much for "Leaving a note for your neighbor" :-(
Lori C
8:30 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Well Bird, I sent an email to Patch trying to figure out why you couldn't see my message and this is the response i received.
"Thanks for writing in. Unfortunately, this is a part of our site that no longer serves it's function and we do not use anymore. We apologize for the inconvenience."
Oh well...basically wanted to tell you to fly high and not to let the hate and misunderstanding of others ruffle your feathers! LOL
Both you and Eileen Finn shouldn't even bother wasting your energy on the likes of some of these people.
I almost laugh at some of them...Eric Blair just commented on how the devil works. Well in my opinion the negative comments that people are putting on here is the devils work...The God that I know and love would never want His name associated with such negativity.
If only we could find a way to Put a bird on them!
After all, the easiest way to improve something or someone is to "Put a bird on it". :-) ♥
Put a bird on it
8:56 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Thank you, Lori C! After reading so many hateful posts, this one really made my day-I won't let this ruffle my feathers anymore. It's only a matter of time to when this will no longer be an issue or a debate and the same sex marriage bill will be passed in every state. Your words were very kind and much appreciated!
11:49 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
This is what everyone needs to understand about marriage. It has nothing to do with religion. Religion is only a part of a marriage if the couple choose to allow it. It is a legal binding contract.
I don't understand why people feel the church has taken over determining what is a legal contract and what isn't? If it's against your personal religion to gay marry, then don't do it. End of story.
Eileen Finn
11:53 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
"Saint Michael" - is it an across-the-board talent to NEVER address the actual POINT with you people? You missed the point where I stated I pay taxes, and I am a U.S. citizen and therefore, I deserve the same rights you have. Your religion HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH LAW. This isn't a THEOCRACY... it's a DEMOCRACY. I really don't give a crap what you believe.. believe whatever you want to.. makes no difference to me - except when you use that religion to deny rights of others. You people push your beliefs DAILY. There are no atheist street corner "preachers". There are no athiests trying to deny your rights by quoting some book you don't care about. My marrying the person I love doesn't prevent you from going to church or practicing your religion however you feel you need to practice it. Stay out of MY life, sir.
Barbara Ariagno
12:41 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I'm sure Michael would LOVE to stay as far away from you as possible. "No athiests trying to deny your rights"? I beg to differ. I will also stay far away from you with pleasure.
12:49 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Barbara - which of your religious rights is being denied to you? I am curious?
Saint Michael
12:43 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
"Eileen Finn" - My religious beliefs are important to me and are my law. I wont cast them aside for no one. You don't like what I have to say, then go away.
But before you do - let me get this straight - you are saying that no one should interfere with marrying someone they love? So if someone want to marry their father or dog we all should just shut up and allow them to. Wow, that's pretty disturbing and twisted thinking. You really should consider getting help.
Put a bird on it
12:46 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
YOU are twisted, Michael. That is not at all what Eileen or anybody else who supports gay marriage is saying. Your argument is annoying and super unintelligent. YOU, Michael, need the help.
Eileen Finn
1:48 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Bird beat me to it.. I don't know why I bother speaking to people like you. You always have to invoke the ridiculous to try and justify your obvious bigotry. Here's a thought, moron - try to argue a point WITHOUT putting words in your opponent's mouth. Oh wait, I realize that's a little too hard for you because then you have no argument. And Barb - you have no idea the joy you bring me when you say you'll stay far away from me.. you're clearly not a person I'd like to know. Yet another hit and run commentator who throws things out there like "I beg to differ" but gives no concrete evidence on why he/she "differs". It's just hilarious. It's like trying to talk physics to grade-schoolers. Not a fair fight really.
Lori C
2:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
"??? Michael", first off, you are the farthest thing from a Saint...You sir, need to "get over yourself".
My CHRISTIAN beliefs are very important to ME and I do not really care what anyone things of them, nor do I think anyone should live by my beliefs.
"My religious beliefs are important to me and are my law. I wont cast them aside"
Who is asking you to "cast aside" your beliefs? A STRONG CHRISTAN, who is firm in their beliefs, would not have to worry about anyone or anything having the ability to "cast aside" their beliefs. Hummmmm, something you may want to ponder.
Eileen Finn
1:50 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
And what kind of narcissist, god-complex loser has the nerve to use a name like "Saint Michael" as a user name in a public forum? If that's how a "saint" behaves, I'm glad I don't have to deal with a church every week.
Put a bird on it
2:16 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
You're absolutely repulsive, Michael. You are exactly what is wrong with this society. I hope your friend here pray for you.
Lori C
2:04 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Religion and Marriage...Church and State. I am a "spiritual" person, but not a religious person, big difference. I love the Lord, I do my best to live my life by W.W.J.D. and in that, I do as Jesus did and I DO NOT JUDGE. (At least try my hardest not to) I do not believe in any specific "Religion" and those religions that will not allow me to partake in worshiping our Lord are the farthest thing from CHRISTIAN. (My opinion) I have a feeling you won't be seeing me at YOUR church "Saint Michael"
I was married in the Joliet Court House, yet my marriage was recognized by the state. Not sure how my marriage infringed on anyone's religious beliefs or affected any of the religious organizations. Please explain the difference between my heterosexual marriage and a homosexual marriage when it comes to HUMAN RIGHTS?
Religious views should in no way influence how one votes on a matter that involves the laws of this great land. As a PUBLIC OFFICIAL, one must vote with society's BEST INTEREST in mind, not with their PERSONAL OPINION.
Societies change - Not in the too distant past, people of color and women were not giving the same rights as "the white man". Look back at how ignorant we were as a society! Did we not learn from our mistakes as a country?
It's time we learn to love and respect those that don't conform to our PERSONAL BELIEFS. After all they are just that, PERSONAL.
W.W.J.D.? He would love ALL without judgment and persecution, something he's well versed in.
Eileen Finn
2:40 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
THANK YOU Lori C - that's EXACTLY the point. Human rights. Of course, according to people like "Saint Michael" - those of us trying to get something as basic as human rights are "twisted" and "negative dykes". Really nice. Such a great example of a loving Christian. It cracks me up that people who claim to follow the "word of god" to the letter forget the biggest message Jesus ever gave (since he repeated it over and over) - love thy neighbor or love one another. If Jesus were still alive today, I'm sure he'd be considered a hippie.. peace and love and all that - and he'd be scorned by half of those who claim to follow him. "Saint Michael" is a PERFECT example of this. He can't argue or debate a subject with any intelligence, so he resorts to the basest of name-calling.. Dyke. <rolling eyes> How original.
12:45 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
So well said Lori C. Marriage is an institution by individuals who are joined in a consensual contractual relationship. No amount of religion gives anyone the right to judge if it be between a man and a woman or two same sex individuals. Love Thy Neighbor, not Judge Thy Neighbor. Not deny Thy Neighbor because you think your ways are most righteous. You don't get the right to judge, Only one person and one person only has that power. If you feel it is a sin, that's ok. That is one less sin that you need to ask forgiveness for. If others do not feel it is a sin, that is their choice as well. Either way, all people should be treated fairly regardless of their faith. Representative Renee Kosel seems to have failed to learn this amendment right which is so sad because it makes me wonder what other issues she has decided for her constituents based on her faith. Clearly that is someone I do not want representing me not my community.
Bette J
2:20 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I think what everyone is missing here is God's truth. Those who do not support gay marriage truly believe iGod's word to be truth!! We didn't write the Bible, we just live by it. I don't hate gay people. The Bible clearly instructs me as a Christian to love everyone and I know I'm not perfect, I'm a sinner & have lots of faults. The difference is I recognize my sins exactly for what they are..."sins". I don't try to cover them up by asking others to be accepting of the things I do, when I know my sins don't line up to the God's word. Those of you that are gay or support this law, I don't dislike you nor do I hate you. That would be ridiculous! I speak for myself as I posted earlier, I live daily to adhere to God's truth. I fail miserably every day, but again, I acknowledge my sins and I try to remain humble enough for people to come along side of me and show me my sins so that I can confess them before God. if anyone shows me in my life where I am failing "ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD", I don't hate them, rather thank them for helping me to see the truth. There will come a day where we will need to give account to God of all of our actions and beliefs. I want to be known as a person that tried to show others what God's word states, but it's ultimately up to each individual to accept or reject what is written in the Bible. If the gay marriage law is passed, it won't change my life. I will continue to live my life according to the Word of God. I'm not the judge, God is.
Saint Michael
3:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I love when non-believers tell Christians how they should behave and what Jesus would do in today's world. It's very entertaining.
John 2:12-22
Put a bird on it
3:19 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Here you go, Michael. What would Jesus do??
Jesus himself never marries, and only comments on marriage when he commands his followers to abandon their wives and children to follow him (see Matthew 19:29; Mark 10:28-30; Luke 9:57-62).
Yes, that's right – Jesus orders his followers to abandon their families. To emphasize the point, Jesus even takes the time to provide instruction to his followers on how to divorce their wives (see Matthew 19:5; Mark 10:8).
Seems to me like Jesus is against all types of marriage...
Eileen Finn
3:28 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I love how entitled, know-it-alls think that non-believer = ignorant. Here's a shocker for you - some of us know quite a bit about your beloved bible. Some of us were taught it with extreme fervor for most of our lives and could probably skewer you in some ridiculous bible trivia. Some of us understand the concepts and teachings and choose to embrace the spirit of those teachings without becoming holier-than-thou, self-righteous, narcissistic, bigoted people. Try again. John 13:34-35
Jessica Sredzinski
5:08 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Bette, in case you haven't noticed, the United States is not a Christian only country. Many people worship many different gods in this country. You said that to judge is God's job in your above post, please adhere to that belief
Barbara Ariagno
12:45 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Good job, couldn't have said it better myself. Be prepared for the backlash from the disturbed individuals who will call you a holy roller and say you're hateful. LOL
Eileen Finn
3:32 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
John 15:12
John 15:17
Romans 12:10
Shall I go on, or are you getting the importance of the message? Or does the bible not count if it's quoted by a "non-believer"?
Eric Blair
4:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
That explains it, you're really Jewish. So what's with the Irish pen name?
Barbara Ariagno
11:56 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Quit attacking Saint Michael. You sound ridiculous. Everyone has a right to their opinion. You and Karen need to relax.
Put a bird on it
3:35 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Nice, Eric. Pro-sodomite?? Come on. I'm guessing that you, as a non-supporter of gay rights is also pro-gun. Is that what you mean by "clean house". You're sick and twisted and have been brain-washed by your blind faith. As disgusted as I am with you, I also feel kind of badly for you. You must have a constant headache from being so closed minded and hateful.
Arthur Huff
4:37 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I'm not a huge fan of same sex marriage but I can't think of anything that personally affects me less. If two people who have nothing to do with my life and have zero consequence on my life want to get married then so be it. Who cares? Don't we have bigger problems in this state and the country??
4:58 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I applaud Rep. Kosel's stance on Gay marriage. Being Gay is obvious not a natural. Two organisms of the same sex can not propagate sexually. It is a handicap that should be suppressed, and not celebrated. If one follows the entire Democratic party platform, where being gay is correct, then why can't incest be considered correct? Well, if two people are in love? Why not? Anything goes!! You don't need to worry about bearing a handicapped child, just abort it.
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
"Being Gay is obvious not a natural." "...handicap that should be suppressed...."
I'm soooo glad you were appointed to the post of Supreme Decision-maker! Clint (are you Dirty Harry as well??) do us all a favor and remember to STOP having sex once your wife is past menopause, and certainly ensure that sterile men & women of all ages never have sex. Because clearly sex is ONLY meant as a means to "propagate" the species (by what, root cuttings?) Ignorance is forgivable; stupidity isn't!
9:17 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Clint - the Bible claims incest. Adam and Eve were the only people created by GOd, had 7 children who populated the Earth....
Grace Hopper
5:11 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Will there be special rules for gay divorce, as well? Will the taxpayers b required to support gay spouses?
Baba Wawa
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
How are taxpayers "required" to support straight spouses?
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
What ARE you blathering about?? "Special rules?" Not quite... if you'd please jettison teh blinders long enough, you'd have figured out that right now the rules are "special" in that they prevent certain groups (based solely on gender) from exercising their constitution right to a legal marriage. So, HOW is the special? Oh, that's right: It's the exact same argument (not "natural;" requires special rules, etc., etc.) used by the bigots in the Deep South until the middle 1960s to preach against the evils of mixed-race marriages.
Michael Sewall
5:15 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Hi readers, please remember to keep it civil and avoid personal attacks. Also, I deleted comments by "Olga," who needs to find a new last name.
Put a bird on it
9:09 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I find it hard to believe you weren't reading the comments as they were coming through yesterday. It's fine to have an opinion, but when your opinion is hateful, violent and absurd, then those comments need to be removed, or the repeat offenders need to be banned. But wait, this isn't really about people's opinions..it's about the number of hits to this site or this article.
Eileen Finn
5:17 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Ah, you figured that one out finally? I guess being called a dyke is ok though? Thanks
Michael Sewall
5:21 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
I haven't been looking at comments all day, but just saw that original comment as well and deleted it.
Bob Lanz
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Nice mike if your going to allow people tp post comments on such controversial topics( although it shouldn't be) then do a better job of keeping the hateful violentosters under control. Debate and opinions are what make this country great but some things said here are why many brave Americans gave there lives to rid us and the world of hitlers, dictators and terrorists. By the way pro equal rights for all pass the damn bill already this is Illinois it's a disgrace we didn't pass it first! P.s. also pass conceal carry we re the only state in the union who hasn't clearly we are on the wrong side of that issue as well... Just make sure mandatory waiting period and extensive background checks as some of the posters here shouldn't be allowed near firearms, they would hurt themselves. Go gays!
Sack of Durbin
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Change with the times??? Isn't that profound. As a Catholic I'm sick of this government intruding on my beliefs. Separation of Church and State is in a document that liberals hate to their core. And to change with the times means; Gay marriage, gun control, single payer health care, killing of American citizens with drones without a trial, illegal aliens with drivers licenses . The list goes on and on. Thanks Renee for voting for your constituents and with your conscience.
9:22 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Curious: How is gun control, single payer health care, drones, drivers license and even gay marriage have anything to do with religion?
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
@Sewall WHAT ! ARE YOU KIDDING !
8:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Who cares! Let the damn dogs and cats get married for all I care. Just move on. In this states big scheme of things, this is a minor detail. I doubt our idiot legislators will even be able to come to an agreement on this.
Grace Hopper
11:44 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
If you chose an aberrate lifestyle, be prepared for a little flak.
8:35 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Grace, the only thing aberrant is the behavior of those smug, arrogant, religion-steeped bigots (like you?) who think their religious beliefs trumps others' constitutional rights! I really don't care if you dislike the concept, equal treatment under the law should be protected.
Put a bird on it
8:35 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
If you chose to make ridiculous, unintelligent comment, you should be prepared for a little flack. Being gay is not a choice people make, Grace. Grow up and educate yourself.
Shawn Carroll
11:56 am on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I am curious how Rep Kosel and Sen Barickman differ on the interpretation of the bill's language to protect religious entities from being forced to recognizing same sex marriages.
From a religious side, if you define homosexual acts as an 'Evil' not just un-natural then you may have a reason for you to try to force your beliefs upon others. But would it be any different from those that believe eating pork is evil to ban the production of bacon? Why do one set of beliefs trump another?
From the other side, organizations that do not accept homosexual marriages should not be forced to otherwise. That means religious adoption agencies should be able to discriminate against homosexual couples from adopting. This would be no different in an religious organization discriminating against women in its priesthood or men in the nursery.
12:45 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Shawn - the church recognizes other religions yet won't perform the ceremony. Example, I have a catholic friend who married a Jewish person, church refused to do ceremony. So, they are not going to be forced to perform ceremonies they choose not to. The church doesn't own marriage
Shawn Carroll
1:48 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Karen, I don't think anyone should be seriously concerned about the state forcing Religious to performing homosexual marriages, your example is proof of this. What I think some religious communities fear is that they may be forced by law to either stop providing a service like adoption placement or place a child in what they believe to be moral and spiritual harm in a homosexual couples home.
8:32 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
@ J. Ann: Your arrogance is laughable, especially if you truly were raised under and practice the bible! Please spare us all your comedy routine: MANY people are well-inculcated (I can explain the wrod to you, if needs be) and well-indoctrinated into organized religion; many do not bear the malice toward others that you so clearly do! Perhaps consider a nice, restful, relxing weekend retreat to re-examine your malicious comments and ways! Ha... your problem would be that you could nbever recognize your shortcomings if Jesus himself rose from the dead and smacked you in the face with them! Have a nice life; you'll need it before your Hellfire. (Wait, did I really steal that from you? Oh well... sorrryyy (not).)
Barbara Ariagno
12:45 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Laura, I'm far from a "holy roller" as you dubbed me as. You need to stop name calling and vicious attacks and concentrate on intelligent responses to what you disagree with. The anger shouts out from your comments. Calm down.
8:30 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Vicious? Seriously? Please, Barbara, chill out, grab a dictionary and seriously consider taking some continuing education classes around critical thinking skills, philosophy and world religions. It seems you lack the ability to distinguish logic from the circular, fallacious arguments you were brainwashed into believing. And it sounds as though you lack the intellectual capacity to recognize when you should question what you are being spoon-fed. Cheers, Dear! LMAO!
J. Ann
12:15 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
@ Barbara---you're assessment of the vicious attacker is correct, but she's pretty full of herself---and proud of her biting sarcasm, which is a sign of her deep seated bitterness towards those she disagrees with. Can't reason with people like that---it only serves to provoke them all the more. We just have to duck as we pass by her ugly insults. It's coming back to her eventually.
3:53 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
So Holy Roller is an vicious insult? Wow.... guess these so-called Christians have really thin skins. Again, to these bigots who believe they only have the right way to live: consider practicing a bit of what your version of organized religion preaches: tolerance, the Golden Rule, love they neighbor.... on second thought, unsure you understand those concepts. Oh well...your loss!
J. Ann
4:37 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
It's not always organized religion, though I bet that's all you've ever known (I'm sorry about that). Some of us have a RELATIONSHIP. As for the rest, I will bite my tongue. :) Be blessed.
5:07 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
@ J. Ann: Your arrogance is laughable, especially if you truly were raised under and practice the tenets of the bible! Please spare us all your comedy routine: MANY people are well-inculcated (I can explain the word to you, if needs be) and indoctrinated into religion; many do not bear the malice and smug, condescending attitude toward others that you so clearly do! You truly believe you are superior and brag about a personal "relationship" with religion or god. Hmmm, I recall that pridefulness qualifies as a sin, is it not? Perhaps consider a nice, restful, relaxing weekend retreat to re-examine your sinful ways! Ha... your problem would be that you could nbever recognize your shortcomings if Jesus himself rose from the dead and smacked you in the face with them! Have a nice life; you'll need it before your He**fire. (Wait, did I really steal that line from you?)
6:49 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
@J.Ann: Truly, I have absolutely NO interest in pursuing what you so arrogantly call a personal "relationship" with some distorted version of religion that you assume makes your specious, outmoded deliusional arguments palatable while they simultaneously hamstringing others' constitutional rights. So please DO bite your prideful tongue; we'd all love the ensuing quiet as we go on with our lives in peace and without the harmful bigotry you espouse.
Jon Voight
1:48 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I agree that gay or lesbian lifestyle isn't a choice. It's just like any addiction, it should be treated by psycho-analysis and medication.
Don't hate these afflicted people, show them pity and prayers.
Eileen Finn
2:09 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Please tell me this was meant to be sarcastic? You can't actually be serious? Although I guess your use of the term "psycho-analysis" already tells us plenty if you were being serious.. Clearly, you should save your pity and prayers for yourself. A little education might help as well.
Jon Voight
2:43 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Inform us how it works. I keep hearing" it isn't a choice-it's just the way the brain is wired." That's exactly how it is for alcoholics and drug abusers- brain wiring.
Talking through your issues with a trained professional might help- have you ever tried it? It won't make you straight, but hopefully you will come to an understanding and stop hating yourself and others so much.
Put a bird on it
3:20 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Wow John. You are completely ignorant and pathetic. It sounds like you hate yourself, and I'm guessing you're not that well liked in general. Your words are empty and foolish.
Lori C
4:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Jon, First, I am a "straight" Christian who carries John 4:16 close to my heart every day. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them.
Conversion Therapy or "Pray the gay away" has been "tried" since the 1920's and is proven NOT to work. If anything, causing more damage than good to those forced to undergo this "treatment". Many of those "fixed" by this treatment pretend to be "cured" and lie about their true feelings. They suffer from a higher rate of depression and suicide than those that have not been "cured".
No major mental health professional organization has sanctioned efforts to change sexual orientation and virtually all of them have adopted policy statements cautioning the profession and the public about treatments that report to change sexual orientation.
They do NOT suffer from an addiction, or any form of mental illness for that matter. If there is a cause for any mental afflictions they may suffer, it most likely is due to the amount of turmoil they face on a daily basis from the likes you and others who are posting on this thread.
I for one, do not pity nor pray for these people....but instead pity and pray for those who leave negative comments. I pray for those who can't accept ALL of God's children, no matter how different they may be from themselves. I pray that these people will someday live by Mark 12:31 "Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these." I pray this in the name of Our Father ~ Amen
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
4:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
i as a sensible man i agree with you jon. it starts with low self esteem. Loners attract other loners.
Eileen Finn
4:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
No idea why I'm even bothering to answer you. It's clear you don't really WANT an answer you can learn anything from because your closed mind is made up. However, think about this.. When did you know you were straight? Wasn't it just how your "brain was wired"? I mean, I'm sure you could probably talk to a "psycho-analyst" about it and he/she could explain to you all the reasons why nature picked you to be straight. Maybe then you wouldn't be so worried about the "why" and just accept it. And maybe then we all wouldn't have to deal with such inane comments.
I find your comments to be oddly contradictory, btw. First you say the "lifestyle" should be "treated" by psycho-analysis and medications (how 1950's of you!), but then you state I should "talk through issues.." but that "it won't make you straight". Huh? I thought the cure was "psycho-analysis and medication". Which is it, Jon?
8:30 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
So, Jon Voight, ashamed to atttach your illogical blathering to your real name? Does that possibly mean you are gay and truly understand what it means? Or does it simply mean you are yet another uninformed, fearful xenophobe who thinks he can either "fix" or legislate away what he doesn't understand and therefore fears I suppose it is much easier to dismiss another human being out-of-hand rather than do the hard work of taking a scientific approach to understanding the variables of life. I do pity people afflicted with such laziness and rancor toward those unlike themselves!.
Eileen Finn
1:48 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
So, Barbara, I'm guessing this is a classic "pot and kettle" case since you so eloquently referred to the "disturbed individuals" in your post above. Since you couldn't be more specific, we have to assume those would be the people who disagree with you. And I have yet to see an "intelligent response" from you. Laura's comment was perfectly intelligent. I'm sorry that facts get in the way for you.
3:20 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
The people who are against marriage equality are the same people who will rail against "sharia" law, which is, what? Allowing secular laws to be based on religion.
9:32 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Exactly! I guess ALL women should go buy their burquas soon, according to these religious trolls!
4:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Here's the thing: Marriage Equality is happening. Like it or not, it's happening.
Bob Laird
4:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
I don't think it's right, don't like it but who cares. Judge not and all that crap, but don't flaunt it or shove it in our faces. That obnoxious parade makes me gag. Do as you will, but don't brag about it. I don't run up and down the block yelling that I'm proud to be hetero and a parent.
Brian H
4:13 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
The bottom line here is that this is a civil-rights issue, not a religious or political one. And if our representative, Renee Kosel, cannot see this, I will do my best to ensure that this is the last term in office that she serves. I would suggest the everyone write to Rep. Kosel or stop by her office in Mokena and let her know that we, her constituents and the growing majority, support this bill.
Also, her assertion that the bill would adversely affect religious organizations is a cop-out. The amended bill directly addresses that issue. Also, even if it did, why should anyone's civil rights be violated to protect a religious organization?
As a father, I teach my children the Golden Rule. I'm surprised that some of you never learned that as a child. Maybe you were taught an amended version that added "unless they're gay."
New Lenox Mom
5:25 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Absolutely Brian...well said! I will not be voting for anyone that brings their religious beliefs into political debates.
Renee, you were elected to represent the people in your district and vote for what is in their best interest, not what fits or doesn't fit into your personal religious beliefs.
New Lenox Mom
5:25 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Here is some light reading on the history of marriage. It was always a civil and private matter and mostly it was economic and not about love. Somewhere around the 15th century, the various religions decided to stick their two cents in. For those claiming what the bible does and doesn't say regarding marriage, let's keep in mind that husbands could have as many wives as they wanted, if they got tired of their wife, they could simply banish her and be "divorced". If some of you Christian women want to live strictly by the bible, well be careful what you wish for! If that is the case, please make sure that your child's marriage is an arranged matter and not for "love" and you work out all the financial details of said marriage.
The fact is marriage is and always has been a civil matter, you do not have to get married in church for it to be legal. Persons of the same sex who want to marry should have the same civil marriage rights as any other person. Nothing would make churches have to allow same sex marriages in their church. If you personally don't like same sex marriage, well don't go to their wedding.
Keep your religious beliefs out of an institution that is a civil matter.
Lori C
6:50 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
NL Mom...you sure hit the nail on the head!
For the life of me, I can't figure out how people bring religion into this...one has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
Why is it people think OUR Government should adhere to their religious beliefs?
I find it kind of ironic that in the state of Illinois, there are so many that can't remember the great words of President Lincoln at the Gettysburg Address.
"The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- AND THAT THE GOVERNMENT OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, SHALL NOT PERISH FROM THE EARTH."
Eric Blair
8:30 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Lori C, "Government of the people, by the people, for the people,………". What planet have you been on? This corporation you refer to as government has NEVER been "of the people…..". This nation always has been owned by the global financial elite, the British Crown, the Illuminati. "We the People" are seen as nothing more than human resources, disposable human resources to be used and discarded. You think "they" care about you? That thought is laughable. Your view is the product of public education. Another product of "the elite".
J. Ann
8:56 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Now listen, why not read the whole Bible before you start spouting off? Jesus said, regarding marriage, that His original intentions was for one man and one woman to become one flesh, and so not to be separated or "torn apart"---but due to the hardness of their hearts He permitted their divorcing and remarrying. But "in the beginning" it was not meant to be so---and marriage starts and ends with God (i.e. in the beginning)---it was His original idea, and man is screwing it up and perverting it terribly. Sorry, but that's the original Truth. Many of you people have never read all of the Word of God, but just portions at best, and just twist it or worse dishonor it.
9:02 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Amen! Uhhhhh, I mean, Agreed, 1000%! LOL
Unfortunately, NLM, I doubt most of the religion-slingers here comprehend the concept of the "Chinese Wall" our founders intentionally erected between religious and government issues.... thinking the intolerant zealots were AWOL for the requisite HS civics class! (P.S., For the self-righteous bigots here: if you don't understand the formal regulatory concept of "Chinese Wall," I'd be glad to explain it to you.)
Lori C
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Eric, you missed my point, maybe I should have used caps on all of his speech. "That we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom ". Those soldiers did die in vain because the "Government" that Lincoln wished for never evolved. We've never experienced that "new birth of freedom". His hopes were that we remained "dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought" and to remain "dedicated to the great task remaining before us", which we did not.
I can't agree with you more, we are still "human resources" and that's a shame. As a country we still struggle with basic civil rights. I will throw out some "public education" in case your education was obtained at a private school. There's a very good chance civil rights wasn't covered in class, since the lack of having these rights doesn't affect a majority of people attending private schools. Civil rights are the rights that protect individuals' freedom from unwarranted infringement by governments and private organizations, and ensure one's ability to participate in the civil and political life of the state without discrimination or repression. Seems to me, that is exactly what we are all talking about here, is it not?
My "view" is a result of my Christian beliefs, and that good ole "public education", they couldn't be farther from those of "the elite" if I tried.
Eric Blair
6:50 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
A look at the most evil criminals and tyrants throughout recorded history shows they had a common trait. Most mass killers either the political kind or the serial killer type along with torturers and pedophiles including most high ranking politicians are and have been Sodomites. According to FBI statistics virtually 100% of known serial killers are/were homosexuals. These are the most dangerous people known and given that they rise to the top due to their psychopathic tendencies and utter lack of any moral standing shows the depravity of not only the Sodomites but those defending them. The simple fact is that their whole lifestyle is an abomination. The fact that these creeps are now shoving their abhorrent lifestyle on the rest of us on many different fronts and are succeeding shows that the devil himself is behind the plot. Indeed, he has a few advocates on this very page spreading the filth. Surely the twisted advocates posting on this page would want John Gacy running their local Boy Scout troop. Meanwhile since this topic appeared it's all "they" rant about. Last few days "our" government killed three dozen more with drones including many children. You don't hear about that. It's because that's how the devil works.
8:30 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Eric Blair, are you serious? Consider getting some therapy for your paranoia! And please do some research before you embarrass yourself further. I challenge you to cite the url for your so-called FBI "statistics." I know you can't, because you have distorted facts to fulfill you own narrow-minded devices. Are you so fearful, uneducated and that you are unable to distinguish the difference between "pedophile" and "gay?" Your comparison illustrates your lack of critical thinking skills and your xenophobic view of the world. I DO feel sorry for you, if that's the case. But that's okay. You can cower in your own little corner of the world. That means the rest of us can progress and continue the business of modern life -- for ALL people, not just the people you approve of!
Eric Blair
9:32 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I'm very serious. Look up your own statistics, I did already and know the truth through years of research. I will say that it's been fun setting you up. Try being so passionate about something important, like the truth concerning 9/11. The topic on this page is only a diversion, a diversion to keep people like you looking over here when you should be looking the other way. You're being used.
New Lenox Mom
11:06 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Eric, I heard that the head conspiracy theorists/bigots/racists are planning a Utopia in the mountains of Idaho. Somewhere where you can all live without government intervention, no laws, rules, taxes gun restrictions. You can all tell women what they can and can't do with their bodies, while still getting giant scripts for viagra. You can stockpile all the weapons you want and live in grand splendor without worrying about what the big bad government has in store for you. You should really check into whether help with construction is needed.
Eric Blair
6:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
New Lenox Mom, are you sure I can still get Viagra up in them there mountains in Idaho? I was on my way to Utopia and heard "no way", no Viagra there. But that was like a month ago. Did something change? Please advise.
9:46 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Again, Eric: PLEASE consider therapy! Your 9/11 and other Grassy Knoll theories make WONDERFUL HuffPo headlines but not much else. (I do hope you remember 1963, though somehow it seems doubtful.) BTW, please enlighten us all and provide the specific url for the FBI "stats" you pretend to cite.... Still waiting!
Eric Blair
6:52 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Can u recommend a therapist in this area? Or maybe a psychiatrist 'cause I may need to be medicated. Thanks
5:07 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
Actually, Eric, yes I can recommend some very good, qualified therapists in the Orland area who can assess you and have their MDs prescribe appropriate medicine. Please let me know if you do, indeed, need those recs. No shame in admitting your could use some help.
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
6:50 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
God is mad. New and improved is coming soon.
J. Ann
8:58 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
If God were mad, we would all be in real trouble. But He's not---He's incredibly at peace. Why? Because He knows when the dust clears, He wins! Man is mad, real mad.
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
8:56 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Put a case of the hiv on it as far as im concerned. Forget the bird.
Ann C. Piasecki
9:11 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Hi Folks, I just deleted a post that was a personal attack. Patch welcomes your comments, but please try to keep it civil.
Lori C
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Ann, are you sure you deleted the correct post? I can tell from emails what post was deleted, yet what I consider to be a personal attack is still here. Granted, the comment deleted was not the prettiest comment of the day but....really? The root of the deleted comment is still here, are you saying that his post is civil? He's barley had a civil comment on this thread.
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
You keep representing your constituents Rene, that is what you were elected to do. Its New Lennox not Wrigleyville. Im positive that your vote directly reflects what the majority of who you represent wishes. And that my friends is how democracy works.
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
So Fatty, do you have an Urbana bottle too, 'cuz Champaign is a city in Illinois.
Lori C
12:31 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
LOL Tamarack, I've been thinking the same thing. Really we should probably cut him some slack. It seems from the post above he can't spell Lenox either. ;-)
Basically if you look at the comments he leaves on the various Patch sites he lives for being negative and inappropriate.
I will say, his "about me" gave me quite the giggle.
"I am a 46 year old elementary school teacher in the south suburbs. I lovet Star Trek and live with my mom. I also am a scout leader.... and master of the absurd comment. The instigater that gets under peoples skin.
You can say that again!
Lori C
12:10 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Karen - Duh...I knew it was sarcasm, at least the first part is, that's why it made me giggle.
As for the second part "and master of the absurd comment. The instigater that gets under peoples skin." That there appears to be 100% true if you look at comments he leaves on the other boards.
2:10 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Love that you chose "Duh" - speaks volumes. Mainly your age.
Lori C
3:53 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Karen - Yours is the comment that shows age.
Just so happens I'll be 50 this month...can you dig it? Next time instead of saying "Duh" I'll be sure to say "Thank you captain obvious".
6:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
I give up. What do you want me to research? The only thing I discovered was the background story on the champagne bottle, which is revolting.
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
6:49 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Good catch. Didnt get it at first but realized the spelling is different. That makes me look as stupid as my comments. I will correct it. Thanks, from Mr. Arbuckle.
Mike Dees
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Straight folks continuously trolling gay themed forum topics... fundamental psychology will tell you, with that kind of preoccupation, something's not right there.
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
6:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Man oh Manoshevitz ! I hope you didnt actually pay for a degree to come up with that. You my friend are a schmendrick. Oivey!
Eric Blair
6:03 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Just what are u suggesting? I think maybe an insult. But that's ok 'cause I think I agree with ur post regardless of any insinuations.
Mike Dees
8:12 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle - English please. Interestingly enough you didn't refute what I said.
Mike Dees
8:12 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle - You are smart enough to know when you're being called out though. Kudos.
New Lenox Mom
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Rep. Kosel is certainly entitled to her PERSONAL beliefs, however, she is an elected official, elected for ALL of the people. Politicians are not elected to interject their personal religious beliefs into laws. I am sick to death of listening to politicians who think that it is their job to get into office and try to pass laws based on what they believe and to top it off most of them trying to inject their notion of christianity are flippin hypocrites! At some point the ones screaming the loudest about gay rights or women rights are the ones that will have massive skeletons falling out of their closets. The ones pushing THEIR version of christianity the loudest are also the ones that forget how Jesus wants ALL to take care of each other. They have the biggest ME complexes and are in all reality the least christian.
For those of you who think you know the bible or what Jesus was thinking or what he meant....good for you, now spend some time learning what the constitution means and what the founding fathers meant when they wrote all of the founding documents! Go to DC and spend the day in the Holocaust Museum and see what religious persecution really means. If you can't get to DC then go to Skokie for the smaller museum, both places are a real eye opener.
Beyond that keep your religion out of our politics! ALL people regardless of race, color, creed or orientation deserve exactly the same rights, that is what makes this country GREAT!
Put a bird on it
11:52 pm on Wednesday, February 20, 2013
Ok, Ann. But, this was ok:
Put a case of the hiv on it as far as im concerned. Forget the bird.
Not hard to see which side you're on.
Lori C
1:22 am on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Yeah Bird, I didn't quite get it myself.....
Remember what you said to me earlier? "I won't let this ruffle my feathers anymore." :-)
Maybe we need to put a bird on the Patch, It seems to work with everything else. LOL
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
10:08 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
But serious folks...i do feel that aids was put on this earth as a punishment for hedonistic lifestyles. That puzzle was solved in a way so i feel that the next "punishment" is yet to come. Funny how earthquakes and tsunamis hit the countries where child exploitation and other perversions are permitted and spare the U.S.A. Remember that there is a God and sometimes His decisions are tough to understand. Super monster strain aids is coming.
5:07 pm on Saturday, March 2, 2013
Geez, Fatty birdbrain! Sure hope none of you family members ever need a blood transfusion and "accidentally" get the HIV virus! Certainly, then that would be punishment for hedonistic ways, correct? I do feel sorry that you lack any ability to think critically. And I think if you check your version of statistics, you would find the good ole USA has more than its fair share of child molestation problems.... and tornadoes, and earthquakes, and hurricanes, and mass shootings and drive-by shoootings and rape and.... shall I continue?? Truly, the situation here is so abysmal that perhaps you should consider relocating somewhere where the populaces commits fewer sins! LOL...
Lori C
8:33 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Fatty - Wow, so you think the USA is spared from natural disasters because we are somehow better? You, of all people know there is plenty of exploitation and perversions in our own back yard...... ;-)
You said "there is a God". Can I ask, is there only one true God, and only one true faith? The narrow-mindedness in your statement leads me to think you may have been raised in the Catholic religion. Ahhh yes, that "punishing God". But then again maybe not, since you did throw out some Yiddish words earlier...way to keep us guessing Fatty.
Here's a couple pages that might enlighten you to the various religions throughout the world and just where the USA falls into your "punishment" category.
We may have the highest population of Christians but don't even make the top 20 when it comes to proportion.
Mike Dees
3:14 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Oh, wow. Your god doesn't sound very pleasant. I hope there isn't opposition, a devil or something, in the equation. How would you tell them apart?
Put a bird on it
10:28 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Nice catch, Ann. Funny how this one got through so easily...
Fatty, I sincerely hope that your religious buds on this page are appalled and embarrassed by your comment. Your argument is not at all valid or credible.
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
10:36 pm on Thursday, February 21, 2013
Dont need validation birdbrain. The bodies will be stacked like firewood when it comes.
12:26 am on Friday, February 22, 2013
Everyone should Google "fatty arbuckle's champagne botle."
J. Ann
6:49 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
I definitely realize there are certain people on here who are hate-baiters, and I for one am not going to waste my time to get dragged into that. They are foaming at the mouth just hoping and waiting for a moment to say "ah-hah", you're such a hypocrite", etc. Not going that way ladies, ok? All you care for is vomiting up your own twisted opinions, and with the utmost rudeness. That proves nothing except you are self-centered, proud and rude. If you could only be courteous, we could reason, but as it is,m there is no reasoning with you. Once upon a time, in my younger years, I thought and reacted just like you. I thought I had all the answers, and wasn't afraid to boldly express it. I got it all from the junk I was putting into my mind daily---liberal movies, TV, music, etc. It takes a true revolution in your thinking to come to desire for and eventually see the Truth, which is in Jesus Christ, and His revelations in the Bible. I realize some true Christians are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage, only because I know Jesus has amazing grace for all of us. But I pray you will be supernaturally led to the full Truth as I was 25+ years ago. Then you can really represent Him well. Proverbs 22:10 says "Throw out the mocker, and fighting goes, too. Quarrels and insults will disappear."
J. Ann
6:49 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
I stand by my original comment, way up above, which was to simply state that I support Renee Kosels right to have a faith filled conviction---and to mention it, for Pete's sake, without being vilified as terrible and needing to "get over herself". Also, there is no such thing as "separation of church and state"; it's a lie. Our founding father's were wise and found it important to keep the state out of the church---I said that and I stand by it. THE END.
11:47 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Too bad J. Ann that you sorely lack proper historical facts. Again, the institution of a wall between church and state was intended to keep the CHURCH out of the STATE. Perhaps consider boning up on your fact before making fallacious, unsupported assertions. Second, your mistake is assuming that all people believe in Jesus or even in your version of religion. That assumption would be narrow-minded at best. Perhaps consider travelling abroad to experience something other that your little sheltered Christian corner of the universe.
Lori C
8:12 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Laura, I cried my way though Shindler's List again tonight...I pray to Jesus that I am always brought to tears when watching it. How's that for irony?
Kept thinking about this thread and how so many people are still against anyone who thinks or believes differently than they do.
Your God, my God, his God, her God, no God....does it really matter? All that matters is the respect for ALL people, not just the ones you "think" your God wants you to respect...Oy vey! ;-)
2:16 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
@ Lori C.: Exactly what would be ironic about praying to Jesus for the Jews and many others that the Nazis tried to exterminate? I see nothing ironic about that. Don't make the mistaken assumption that Jews don't believe Jesus existed or was a good person. Jews generally do not believe Jesus was the Messiah. So, please enlighten me: where is the irony in praying to Jesus about a horrid act against humanity?
Lori C
7:10 pm on Sunday, February 24, 2013
WOW Laura did you get up on the wrong side of the bed or what? You yourself said Jews generally do not believe Jesus was the Messiah.The irony is, I'm praying to what I believe to be the Messiah. You don't think it's a little ironic that when a Christian prays for a Jewish friend they are praying to "something" that Jews don't believe in? My Jewish friends lightheartedly "tease" me about it all the time. I ask Him that we (the world) never forget the terrible, terrible acts that were bestowed upon them and others. The reason I kept thinking about this thread is because German authorities persecuted homosexuals and others whose behavior did not match prescribed social norms........Hummmm
It's a shame how many "Christians" on this thread seem to forget history and the lessons it's TRIED to teach us time and time again.... :-(
8:04 am on Monday, February 25, 2013
A Lori C.: No, I do not at all consider it ironic that you pray to Jesus for your Jewish friends. True open-mindedness does not assume that Jews would reject, be offended by or think anything untoward of your gracious offer of help via your prayers. That is my point: We all can use it from whatever well-intended source is willing to offer that help, whether via prayers, good karma or simply open-mindedness Got up on the wrong side of the bed? Nope, just curious why anyone, including Jews, would think it is ironic that a Chrisitian would pray for one of a different religious background. I see nothing unusual about that whatsoever. Makes perfect sense. Given my own multi-religious background and upbringing, I can speak from both sides of that issue quite well. It all boils down to respect for all religions and their constructive intent and for all people, not just those who agree with your beliefs. Cheers!
Ann C. Piasecki
2:00 pm on Friday, February 22, 2013
Hi Folks. Some of the comments coming in are serious attacks against individuals. Please keep it civil.
Tinley Reader
12:42 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
If we change the definition of marriage as being only between a man and woman to include same sex marriage. Then what if someone is bisexual then they be permitted under the law to marry both their male and female partner? If not would it be discrimination?
Mike Dees
8:12 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
The number of participants in a marriage would remain the same in this bill - two. What would change is the requirement that the participants be of the opposite sex.
10:02 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
A big issue that I have not seen discussed here yet is how this will play out as more states allow same sex marriage, but we do not universally recognize that marriage as a country. If you're married in California, but then move to Illinois - how will that affect your family health insurance? How does it affect property ownership in general? Having something as defining as "married or not" change as you change state boundaries will cause legal headaches.
10:02 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
As far as the religion side goes, I would think you could direct your venom at adulterers and the lifelong bachelors before attacking two people who are hoping to be married and become monogamous. JFK - the great Catholic leader of our country must not have read the same Bible that you did, because he broke that adultery commandment almost every day from what I understand. If you're worried about broken homes, start there.
10:02 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
But I will say that the Catholic Church got it right by denying women a voice. They can't hold meaningful positions in the church heirarchy - pope bishop, cardinal - even priests. Why did we decide to let them vote in our country. If they couldn't vote they surely couldn't hold public office, and we wouldn't have to worry about Renee Kosel.
10:00 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Well, if bigamy was legal for straight people then yes, it would be discriminatory. But it's not so what on earth is your point? LOL.
10:00 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Hey ah...looky here ya all. will dis have a any effects on a inter racial marriages?
Tinley Reader
11:57 am on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Rep.Renee Kosel's views on Same Sex Marriage were known prior to re-election. Rep Kosel has won re-election obviously since she won based on her views she is the
representing the majority in her district or she would have been voted out of office.
Fatty Arbuckle's Champagne Bottle
5:24 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
As stated days ago...corrected spelling even....You keep representing your constituents Renee, that is what you were elected to do. Its New Lenox not Wrigleyville. Im positive that your vote directly reflects what the majority of who you represent wishes. And that my friends is how democracy works.
New Lenox Mom
5:24 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Whatever her views are, are still her opinion, your personal beliefs and views are not supposed to translate into laws that push that belief and agenda. When they do, that's when you get voted out. Same sex marriage wasn't on the agenda in this state when she got elected...and lucky for those that believe in equality for ALL, her views are in the minority in this state.
5:24 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Where you're wrong Tinley Reader is in assuming that people are voting for her solely because of her views on same sex marriage. Likewise, I may like Obama's view on same sex marriage more than Romney's, but I may still vote for Romney. 90% of her voter base may be against her position on this one issue, but might for her because her opponent is even more incompetent, for example.
This is an issue that will eventually be accepted by the vast majority of people in the U.S. - some (religious) people just take longer to get onboard. Just like some people took longer to grant blacks the same rights as whites, and for women to be allowed to vote. Some day gays won't be discriminated against either. It will take longer to accept that in the red states, and apparently Frankfort - but I'll say in ten years the majority of states will have made it legal.
Tinley Reader
6:20 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Rep Kosel's views on all issues affecting this election were known by the people of her district. They were reported by the newspapers, radio, and mailers. If her stance on Same Sex Marriage had such a negative impact in her district then why was she re-elected? The people of her district must have been O.K. with her stance on same sex marriage because that was not a hot botton that took her out of office. Even though and we were well aware this was going to come up for a vote to change the law.
6:40 pm on Saturday, February 23, 2013
Remember back in the 60's during the civil rights movement when so called Christians protested it was infringing their religious beliefs and rights? You got over that, you'll get over this. Why? Because it has nothing to do with you or your beliefs. People are using their religion to support hate and deny humans civil rights.
Ann C. Piasecki
9:32 am on Sunday, February 24, 2013
Hi Folks, Please keep in mind that this is not the place for personal attacks. They won't go up.


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