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Here's Why Glenn Beck Says to Stop All Those Secession Petitions: 'Are You Out of Your Mind?'
Glenn Beck responded to the wave of post-election secession petitions (which have now hit all 50 states) during both his radio and television programs Tuesday, relaying a simple message to his audience: taking part isn't smart.
"Now how do you think that's going to work out?" Beck asked on his radio show. "I mean, how dumb do you have to be? Really? You're putting your name on a list that goes directly to the White House, and you're putting your name on a list and saying, 'yeah I think we should secede, I think there should be a Civil War.'"
When co-host Stu Burguiere pointed out that the petitions request a "peaceful" secession, adding that it really is just a place to "make a statement," Beck appeared unconvinced.
"Uh huh…[And] do you think that these people don't forget who made a statement to them? Are you out of your mind?"
Beck continued to say that many of the signatories are probably thinking something along the lines of, "They voted for this, let 'em have it!"
"Instead of focusing on, 'I'm not doing anything with you guys,' just focus on the positive," Beck countered. "What are you going to do? Anyone who wants to secede, that issue's been settled. Now I don't happen to agree with it, because I don't understand how the Constitution could be a suicide pact…that's what the Civil War settled."
Here is video from Beck's radio show:
On his television program later that day, Beck continued to explore the role of the Declaration of Independence in modern-day secession petitions, and how the petitions could justify tighter control by the federal government.
"This is exactly the kind of fuel the president will use to order measures to 'protect' the Republic. And he'll have the Department of Homeland Security at his disposal to enforce them."
Noting that President Obama signed his 141st executive order expanding the "partnership" between the Department of Homeland Security and local police, Beck said that when the federal government gets involved, local police almost always take a back seat. Moreover, reports of the Social Security Administration buying 174,000 hollow-point bullets suddenly become much more troubling.
"If the government begins arming itself against the citizens at the federal level, and say 'by the way, we're your new state police,' that would indeed be the point in the course of human events where it becomes necessary to dissolve political bands," Beck said, concluding with a passage from the Declaration of Independence.
But, Beck said, "secession is not an option," and so it is up to you to contact your governor, find out what your kids are learning, and change the media. Because the next step isn't going to be easy.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:58amAnother option to secession:
Really like this idea.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:15amThe Free State Project is a good idea. Figure out a way to keep Washington out of their business and we might have something.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:18amA State can actually do quite a bit to nullify the federal government. Pass laws saying no state or local resources can be applied to enforce federal regulations. No extra police help, no utilization of detention facilities, no use of courts or other civil services. Seize with eminent domain all federally held land, and either turn them into protected State owned land, or sell them off. I believe Nevada or Utah did that or threatened to to that to lease the land to energy companies.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:20amYou like thios Idea because you wish to surround yourself with people that support Obama? New Hampshire? Really? Only a COMPLETE dumb azz would want to set up shop in a state that supported this idiocy. The Idea of a free state might be good but it's being led by idiots.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:20amThe 10th Amendment is our only hope…push the states not to comply with the feds.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:24amI would LOVE for this experiment to actually happen and then watch to see how the government would eventually move to disband it – for being successful because we all know only "certain types of people" are able, or have the capacity to be, successful.
The more you think about it, the more you realize we really are absolutely, positively screwed.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:25am@maverick4harlot
You do realize this is a libertarian movement, right?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:30amGlenn, I don't think you've thought this through very well. We are all members of the 912 Project, Meetup, Freedom Connector, Mercury One, subscribers to your radio show, Rush's show, etc. If you have purchased firearms or ammo in the last 4 years, if you've purchased food insurance or rural land in that time. If you own gold or other precious metals? All those things can be easily found out and will implicate nearly all of your audience. The petitions give them very little.
No more whining. "We will not comply!" Remember that?!!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:31amcongrats New Hampshire on the banning of income tax.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:43amToo late Glenn. The Google Data Center is archiving everything we've ever typed so unless you have always sung the praises of Obama you're in deep doo-doo anyway. I signed it – not because I would really want it to happen but more because it sends a message that we are none to happy with the current state of our political system. Nothing will come of it – just an opportunity to vent a little.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:46amThe ten% plan given to me by God.
Each county collects a ten% percent sells tax. The county keeps 90% it collects and gives 10% to the State.
The State then keeps 90% of what is given by the counties and then gives 10% to the Federal.
No more IRS. -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:53amSorry, lost cause. NH doesn't have the resources to be anything but a self-imposed Libertarian prison colony.
Stalin, Mao and all the other brutal dictators knew exactly where power comes from: violence or the threat thereof. There is no other option.
The Declaration of Independence speaks highly about the consent of the goverened but at the end of the day, it was violence that resolved the question with the British government.
The Civil War ended states rights to determine their own destiny, and violence again resolved the question.
It will take several states in a serious threat of Civil War take II to resolve Communism, Socialsim, Marxism vs. Free Market Representative Democracy. That will not happen until enough folks get totally ticked at having their money and livelyhoods taken from them that they will rebel and not work for the leftist overlords.
Use Mr. Beck's approach if you like, the odds of it working are even less than Mitt Romney's winning a Presidential election using an honest, fair and gentlmanly campaign.
Let the taxes come, we will all pay them, and when it no longer make sense for us to work just to pay the taxes, stop working and go on the dole. We all know where that ends.
Violence will resolve the issue again.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:58amAn open message to Glenn Beck:
As you might discern from my sign in, I could give a good flying crap about what the White House knows and doesn't know. I have sent Obama FOUR RRR letters, for which I have the written confirmation of receipt. I want those treasonous bastards to know that there days in power using lies are numbered.
Just a little reminder in case all that success has blinded you to harsh political reality:
"From time-to-time the tree of liberty must be nourished by the blood of patriots and tyrants."
BTW, what happened to you outing the "two major news outlets" that you swore had emails ordering our military to "stand down?"
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:01pmSecession of States or an armed violent uprising would only result in the destruction of the Union. They are not the answer to stop America's slide into the failures of Socialism.
It is time for The People and The States to engage in a Civil Cold War to fight the Unconstitutional, tyrannical powers of taxation, regulation, and control, being dictated from the Federal Government.
We must use the Constitution and the States Rights in this Civil Cold War.
Arizona's fight with the Federal Government over illegal Immigration is a great example of the Civil Cold War that must be fought peacefully.
Draw strength and conviction from our Constitution in this Civil Cold War.
Article 4 – The States
Section 4 – Republican Government
"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence."
Amendment 10 – Powers of the States and People "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:22pmYou cannot have a "Civil Cold War" as there is no guarantee of Mutully Assured Destruction. MAD allowed the Cold War to happen, nothing else. The Cold War was a bunch of proxy conflicts to generate ideological advancement. The Cold War ended when Ronald Regan put serious money into a Missle Defense system and called the Soviet Union's bluff. They couldn't match the technology and folded while trying. We now have a functioning Missile Defense system. We are now giving it to them for nearly nothing in return.
I am not advocating violence at all. I'm just saying it's inevitable if we continue down this path. The only way to stop it is to call the liberal bluff, will they use military force against their own population to stop the uprisings (of all kinds) of states unwilling to bow to federal overreach.
There must be a real threat power to make it work in either direction. We are now on a serious path, and if the current President chooses to ignore, go around, and 'get his way' the same way he did in the first four years, there must be a reckoning. Sure, it could be peaceful at the next election but I doubt it, too much free stuff wil be had at the expense of too few. It will be a shoo-in for the next person promising a chicken in every pot. I can't see it turning around without threat of force, I hope I'm wrong, I hope Beck and Co. is right.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:29pmFriends, There is a mighty question before us, and we understand that answers must quickly come or all hope for the vision of our founding fathers is lost. The fundamental question is; do we ignore the enemy or engage it? We can withdraw into the comfort of our like-minded fellows, hoping that the ever-growing federal travesty will stay outside our city, our neighborhood, our house. States can try to become separate lands but the enemies of America, foreign and domestic know that to conquer, you first divide. We would leave ourselves weak and conflicted with an enemy ready to pounce. No. We have withdrawn long enough. We have given too much to the enemy already. We must engage this enemy now on every level or let our children and grandchildren face a stronger more organized evil in the near future. The time to throw off comfort is now. The time to discipline your body and mind for war is now. I implore each of you to prepare yourselves for a time of great trial because it is coming regardless of the path this nation takes. Ironically we must take the path of one Barry Sorrento if we hope to be successful. We must become community organizers. You must ready your families, your co-workers and your neighbors and be prepared do die to defend them when they are under attack. A thousand lone wolves will never save this country. We must organize and resist. Join the PTA today en mass. Arm yourselves and educate the masses. May God guide us and be with you all.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:43pmThat doesn't work when Obama and his thugs are stealing the elections. Mia Love was ahead by 12 points a week before the election, then on election day there was a mysterious 13 point swing toward the democrat Jim Matheson. This was in the reddest of the red states, Utah.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:54pmOk, here's the deal people. Beck has a radio show and the progs hate his guts. They will do anything to get to him. Beck HAS to tell us to stand down. He HAS to or the govt will arrest him and jail him for inciting treason or some other load of crap law they make up. They threaten him on a daily basis. Now, I am no big Beck fan. I think he is too much of a chicken, but he is just trying to save his own ass here . I think that deep down inside he knows what must be done. He just can't let it be said on his website without publicly disavowing it for legal reasons.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:55pmCome on Glenn, don't get your panties in a wad. I love you brother but if you ever signed a petition for FreedomWorks, TEAParty Patriots, Dick Morris … then you gave them as much info, probably more than you did to sign those Whitehouse petitions. To sign a Whitehouse petition all you have to provide is First and Last name and email. Zip Code was not even a requirement. Last time I bought a gun they got more info than that. If you buy gold your already a Govmn't target. Obumbum is laughing at those things. He's more worried about you and everyone working for you than those petitions. If he does something to those of us who did sign, it would cause more problems than if he ignores them. Oh Lincoln was not as great as everyone makes him out to be. Did more damage to the Constitution than people realize.Unity of States above the Constitution? Even if their Marxist I don't think so. Thanks for your concern, I'll be praying for you.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:56pmPeople in the state are exercising their First Amendment
Amendment 1 – Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The Second Amendment insures We can Exercise the First Amendment.
Amendment 2 – Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:03pmIt's our rights as Americans to Secede, Piss off, Glenn.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:10pmIf not now, When??
The entire system is corrupt and we are supposed to just sit quitely and attempt to contact elected officials who have opposite values?
Glennhas had do much success that he is in a position where he has too much to lose.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:14pmcut people a break ,glenn. we're frustrated and feel we need to do something. it's so depressing knowing this charletan stole the election and nothing is being done about it.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:15pmBeck kills me. This is the same guy who touts the founders for signing the Declaration and putting their lives, honor and fortunes on the line. Then proceeds to cower when it comes to signing a petition. Beck is full of contradictions when it comes to actually doing something and taking action. Just buy his books and subscribe to his cable channel and keep believing his lectures on the radio. He's only in it for the money. You don't run this movement, Beck. You may try but you'll continue to ride Rush' coat tails. Just another political televangelist.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:31pmSorry, Glenn, but when the people of this nation feel the need to shed the yolk of tyranny, we're going to do it with or without you.
I love you like a brother, but maybe your time as the "voice of independence" has passed.
If you're unable to stomach the violence ahead (and you're a good man, so this is possibly the case), step aside and let the veterans like myself and others on this board take care of the messy work.
I will NEVER comply with someone who actively promotes the destruction of this nation. I have sworn to defend my nation against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic. While we can't be sure which type of enemy the Obama administration is, that doesn't change the fact that they are trying to "fundamentally change" our nation.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:56pmOh, and when I say "nation", I'm now referring to Texas. I have nothing more in common with someone from NY or CA than I do with someone from France or Germany. No hard feelings, America, but I'm done being friends with losers.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:59pmBeck SHEEP: you pay money for this con artist to tell you what choices to make? How sad. There are tons of people who are ready for succession and you are going to listen to a man who has been paid by the main stream to pacify his audience back into submission instead of taking the actions we as the American people feel are necessary.
He preaches freedom and liberty under the constitution and in the very same breath convinces you to throw your support behind a progressive rhino who supports the indefinite detention of American citizens along with other UNCONSTITUTIONAL laws made possible by NDAA and CISPA. How did that work out for you? Maybe y'all should all get together and have another restoring LOVE rally. That really made a difference. It was just another con he put together to inflate his fan base.
Don't take any action with your fellow Americans against this over powerful government. Sign up to the paid subscription portion of the blaze and your Shepherd will tell you what you should be doing. Like buying something from him…
This man is con artist. He conned you with the Agenda 21 adds too. I feel that he put this con together to take the spotlight off his FAILURE in having his audience support Romney, and to sell his book. How convenient!
STOP sending this con artist you hard earned money. Save it so that you can prepare for the coming collapse. Listen to your fellow Americans and follow where they lead instead of following a multi millionaire radio
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:12pmKeeps squirming. You people amuse me.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:19pmsecession was not the objective. a protest against the liberal president, liberal government, and the $&^#$ liberal media is….. i agree with dell1021.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:22pmIt seems Beck has forgotten the words of our founders as he tell people to fear their names will being collected.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:22pmSorry Glenn, i signed it, and for good reason,its time to take our country back, and its time to stop praying, and start doing.I could give a rats ass if Washington or odumbass or anyone else knows i like the idea of secession its my right to feel that way and my right to the first amendment. So how about it Glenn,you going to stand up, or hide behind religion? God gave us brians AND hands, use them.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:26pmThe idea that we should be afraid to sign a petition because we fear reprisals from our gov. is proof enough that they are a bunch of criminals. We have no rights under this regime period! They don't care about any of us but all you idiots that think they have a messiah in Obama may instead have the destroyer as their leader? We could be in the last days of existence as this song says. "The End Times" http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_10381143
You never know for sure? -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:28pm@Mil-Dot.
Didnt look at it that way, but you may be right. Either way, i will not comply, i will not go quietly into the night either. odumbass, you truely have awakened a sleeping giant, and giving guns to 21-24 y/o kids (fema) doesnt scare a soul, send them out to start your war, we will be waiting. -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:33pmWhat are you people going to do with all those repeat teen pregnancies from your oh so effective abstinence only programs? Pray the problem away?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:33pmGlenn Beck, you have lost your way. You have now become one of those whom you used to loath.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:45pmWhy are these petitions at whitehouse.gov?
Have to admit I haven't read everything here–
has someone already asked/answered that question? -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:55pmCOMRADEADAM, talk of election fraud is taboo.
We must accept and move on…Honestly! Even if it doesn't change the outcome, we should be LOUDLY pointing it out.
Obama definitely does NOT have a clear mandate, and no, I do not understand why clear, factual descriptions of possible voter fraud are taboo here. -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:56pmYou want to send the government a message!!!?
Here you go.
Everyone that works for living and pays taxes, file a new 2013 W4 form with your employer and claim tax exempt status for the year.
That means the government will not receive any payments from your employer on income taxes for 16 months instead of quaterly. Imagine 50% of the working population doing this at the same time?? However do remember to set the money aside as you will have to pay it eventually by April 15 2014. Pass it along -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:05pmA Must Read Site. Obama Voter Fraud 2012
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:19pmYeah – it's not often I disagree with Glenn, but he has too much to lose now. Fame, fortune, success – a media empire. If he were to support the states' rights to secede, HE would be the one they came after because his platform is a lot higher that the rest of ours. I signed it, and I'm happy I signed it.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:21pmGlenn, you used a fallacious and absurd argument. NO war ever settles anything forever. It only settles the conflict of that period in history that could not be resolved peacefully, case in point, after WWI there was a WWII. And the Bible you read foretells a WWIII. So stop the nonsense, Glenn. Your religion forbids fighting against a tyrant, and it is your right to follow your conscience. Jesus will fight the only battle that will settle things forever.
The question is, Are we willing to die for liberty or not? It may be too late, but was a Resistance in occupied countries during WWII, and you WERE right about one thing, Glenn, this is now an occupied country.
I do agree with Glenn that signing petitions is a waste of time. As someone said here, patriots must band together, not as commie organizers a la the Traitor, but as militias. We need to create a Resistance and PRAY. I am serious about the second part, because if you think we can take our country back without God's help you are delusional. No country will come to our aid. We MUST rely on God. Those who can't fight, must take the burden of bombarding heaven 24/7 with their prayers.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:28pmIt would be pointless to sign a secession petition, but I would very much like to see what would happen to the libturd public that voted for barry hussien if the hard working conservative class decided not to participate in the project of keeping our country afloat anymore.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:35pmYou guys can talk election fraud all you want, but it is a symptom, not a source. When people started to elect individuals that valued power over ethics and freedom, THAT was the cause of our downfall, and it is part and parcel of all political parties now.
Sign all the 'requests' for seccession you guys want, it's all meaningless. If they ever start 'disappering' people in the middle of the night, you can bet the 200 million guns in this country will be locked and loaded to stop it the next day. Glenn and Co. are trying to calm everyone down and reorganize back to cohesion. He's not leaving anyone behind, just trying to herd some cats and it's not easy. I get that.
My point is, if you are calm, rational and can see the writing on the wall for yourself, you know you need to continue to prepare, but you also know that whatever 'nice' way you try to change things from here forward will likely not work. Stolen or not, this is the first election where a clear and obvious choice went the wrong way, contrary to all past elections, nothing is 'normal' in this election at all.
It's a symptom of what conservatives have been fighting against for decades. Now it's here. Do we fight nicely now? Do we pull back, let it collapse, then take it back? Do we become super advocates and take the fight with words and ideas to the streets?
Glenn & Co. like the last option, some are advocating the other two. Conservatives are at a crossroads and rather than pick
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:35pmShould read, "…but there was a Resistance in occupied countries during WWII,
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:46pmMormons can fight against tyrants. Nothing in their faith precludes that.
President Obama is not officially a tyrant yet, but he will cross that line if he actively subverts the rights of people to advance giving rights to others. He's dangerously close to it, it's a line that has been crossed before in our Republic, but we came back. Glenn is saying we can bring it back again. I'm not sold on that idea yet but as always, I'm open to any idea that avoids conflict and results in proper ethics and principals being upheld. The latter two items are the more critical concept.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:59pmI see estimates that over 750,000 have signed the petitions. If only 1 in 10 rebelled against the government, that would field an enemy partisan army of over 4 divisions in strength.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:04pmLOL, SILVERTRUTH, communist regimes no longer collapse. China learned from the collapse of the Soviet Union that they had to morph into Statism to keep afloat. If you think the Obama regime will mysteriously fall, you are as mistaken as Glenn. We have to find out if God is on our side. If He is, He will guide us, but make no mistake, we will have to take the fight to the enemy. The commies are already in power. All THEY have to do is rule.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:07pmTime To Break Apart The United States
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:10pm@SILVERTRUTH
He has actively subverted free speech and free elections. He owns you through Obamacare. No joke. Pretty soon you won't be able to buy or use your ammo either. You doubt me? -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:13pmWell, if you're afraid to sign a secede petition, then we truly live under tyranny. All hope is lost and we are no longer free!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:26pmAnd Free States should not accept any federal 'funding', regardless the project. Nor should Free States allocate any funding for fed projects or wages.
That Chinaman comes to mind when I think of this kind of thing… you know, the one related to Good Luck Charlie? Right: One Fat Chance. -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:27pmCan people withdraw their name of the petition once its on there?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:28pmVid….Obama Stole The Election
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:29pm@CESSNA
I'll say it in Jesus' terms: "I am sending you like lambs into a pack of wolves. So be as wise as snakes and as innocent as doves." (Matt. 10:16)You know how it works, in a way. You served against the enemy without (as opposed to within). Strategy & tactics have to change.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:42pmExcuse me, but the wh already knows who we are. They can find out all of our information when we contact our reps. They know the ones who voted. In 2010 we made a huge difference by getting out and letting people know the truth. We did not do that for this election, and the election was won on lies. Instead of signing petitions, we need to get off our butts and march in Washington before Jan. and demand that this wh and the news medias tell us the truth!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:52pmI think people are eager to sign these petitions because our country is so divided. What if we had a project that would bring all sides together like de-funding the government through denying them our tax $$$$? We could have a list of demands that would have to be fulfilled otherwise on a given date, we all go exempt and pull funds immediately. This would surely light a fire under the House and Senate, hopefully the welfare prez too.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:54pmWe should encourage those states on the Left Coast to seccede.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 5:44pmYou can START DOING SOMETHING by signing THIS PETITION which has over 90,000 SIGNATURES AND COUNTING, to DEMAND A RECOUNT AND an INVESTIGATION into the MANY suspicious activities which have gone on in this General election!!!
WITH THIS PETITION YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL OR LETTER TO YOUR STATES' RESPECTIVE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE WHITE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY!!! You can write your own email or use the sample letter which implies you are not necessarily upset with the outcome of the Presidential elections, but that you are upset about how various things were handled and you DEMAND a recount while ensuring no fraud took place. THIS COULD APPLY TO ANY POLICAL PARTY OR INDEPENDENTS!!!
What good is signing petitions to sucede on the whitehouse website? WE DON'T NEED TO SECEDE!!! WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK ASAP!!!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:38pm"Please, Mr. President… may we secede? Pretty pretty please!"
Yes I'm sure that will work. Petition a dictator for freedom. Obama would put a Lincoln-like smack down on any state who seriously tried to secede. He might even become more tyrannical than Lincoln was.
I agree that it is moronic to sign one of these useless petitions. Your name will go straight onto a TSA no-fly list. At some point in the future you will not be allowed to purchase a firearm. You are basically signing up as a volunteer for a future NDAA-authorized detention/extermination order.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 8:13pmSilvertruth, do you fear your government in any way? If so, you have a tyranny.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 9:55pmI desperately want to move to either Keene or Manchester, NH. I need to find a job out there first.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:18pmSecession? Go piss up a rope. God Bless the United States. United.
Reclaiming Our Nation
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:53pmBeck is ight. We are much stronger together than apart. He is also right regarding the government having a list of enemies. Something else must occur.
He also points out another intersting topic, Execuive Orders. It is interesing how each one of the Bill of Rights, which by the way was added to ensure state rights, now has an Executive Order that trumps the Amendment in the Bill of Rights. Do some research on this, it is very interesting.
Here is a link to some history regarding some trigger points to our Independence:
Reclaiming Our Nation
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:55pmBut then again…..sooner or later it becomes to hard to just look the other way, sometimes taking the same steps our founders did may be th oly answer.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:08amFederal Law supersedes State law, Obamacare is Federal Law, Federal taxes are federal law. Nice idea and better than nothing but secession is the only real solution. We have to make it impossible for the federal government to continue viewing large segments of the population as piggy banks rather than citizens and feeling free to help themselves to as much of the money the piggy bank has as they need to buy votes. There are not enough piggy banks to stop the legal theft of their money by the Federal Government. If a state or two manages to put secession on the ballot then the politicians may realize that the piggy banks may just leave and move someplace they cant reach unless they stop the out of control spending. The only other way to get their attention is old fashioned tea party type tax revolt, but that is definitely illegal and will have consequences. Sending the message that we are serious about secession IF the Federal Government doesn't get its hands out of our pockets and out of our children pockets is the only way at this point to bring about true reform.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 2:46amJQuentinEvermann: You are done being friends with losers? You must be lonely because I suspect everyone you know or talk to voted for the loser Romney.
You people need to get a clue about the nation. The people have spoke. American is done with the insanity of the teapublicans. You guys are worse than the enemy of America. You are sore losers and cry-babies that cannot face reality. Secessionists are traitors. I'm sure you have said this more than once in your life: "If you do not like America then get out!" Time to practice what you preach.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 3:49amIf you want secession, you will have to have people run for congress that run on the idea of passing a constitutional amendment allowing secession. Right now it can't happen, but if you get enough congressional members elected that will pass such and amendment, then these states can secede. It's going to happen anyway someday in the Southwest when all the Hispanics vote to secede New Mexico, Arizona, Nevada, and California back to Mexico. That's what those folks have planned. I think it's a good idea to let the East Coast and West Coast do their thing and let the rest of the US do our own thing.
General K
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:06amI signed it. I have cancer and will be dead soon any way. My last act of defiance! Say what you may.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:05am@Kryptonite
Statism will not save communism, nor will any hybrid of the leftist governments combined with a pseudo form of Capitalism. You cannot bridle capitalism with socialist trappings and have it work. A quick read of that ancient capitalist tomb "Wealth of Nations" will clear up that concept. China is collapsing as we type because it is finding out, you cannot have a super wealthy class live on the backs of a vastly impoverished class. The French along with bunches of other nations had revolutions on the concept, ironically, China was in that bunch… go figure.
Obama doesn't own us or control us through Obamacare. He barely will have any control over the monster he's created. It's more like Frankenstein, it will ravage the country and stomp lots of stuff flat, scare the heck out of all of us and then fall apart under it's own weight along the seams it's been sewed together on.
What I am talking about is when the President actually starts taking away real rights because his class warfare rehtoric has gotten out of control. It will start with higher taxes, then when the wealthy try to move their assets out of the country (or themselves) he will require they pay some massive 'exit tax' or confiscate their possessions so they can't leave (don't laugh, California has had several versions of bills presented that do just that to businesses trying to leave). At that point, he becomes a tyrant. One could claim FDR was one as well.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 5:45pmSouthern California, Arizona, Nevada and New Mexico should be a separate state of Aztlan. This area was stolen from Mexico and should be returned to the Mexicans who have recolonized it.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:13pmI have mixed feelings about how strong Glen Becks patriotism is. To say if Americans sign a petition to secede they are stupid? This is the same guy who said we need to stand strong and not waiver. I believe that Obama will never get it but those who have careers in politics do. If Obama sends his form of Gestapo around to harass or even arrest those who have signed will wake up to the other side of a peaceful secession. Obama has done this to our country. We need to do all we can to solve the corrupt elections and not roll over and say" don't lick your wounds and get over it" or " don't make waves or Obama will get you" so just "stay strong ". All the cliches won't do anything. Glenn Beck needs to grow some spine and stick up for his beliefs and the rights of States to do exactly what they feel is necessary. As of yesterday almost 700,000 people signed. Obama going to threaten or arrest them all? Even if he did a few it would stoke the flames of freedom like it hasn't been seen since the Revolution.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 10:57pmHere is a Petition we all can agree to sign. Go for it!!
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 12:40amThat's it folks. No secession. The civil war settled that. So, just go tear up your Declaration of Independence, cuz Glenn said so. Forget about being a free people. And then he says:
"I mean, how dumb do you have to be? Really? You're putting your name on a list that goes directly to the White House, and you're putting your name on a list and saying, 'yeah I think we should secede, I think there should be a Civil War.'"
First of all, no one has said anything about a civil war. I think the term 'peacefully' settles that.
Second of all, he sez if you do sign a petition they'll come and take you away. I guess we already live under a totalitarian, unconstitutional government. So, Glenn sez just wait until the federals got their guns and have taken over, and THEN do something.
Uh, won't it be too late by then?
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 4:48amHey Glen do you fear your gold will become worthless yellow metal? Why shouldn't this president be pushed into doing something stupid and let his house of cards come tumbling down? The Department of Homeland Security in their pretty office buildings will have to think long and hard if they want to kick a hornets nest.
Posted on November 17, 2012 at 11:08am@Silvertruth
There is already an exit tax in place.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:56amYou think people are not on "the list" already? I own firearms and the Feds know that, so I am sure that I am on some list somewhere. It's time to stand up, to use the free speech that we still have. And you Mr. Beck, you have been so outspoken they will come for you first. What about that? f YOU are not afraid, neither are WE!
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Joy M
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:12amThank You, Chamber. I was a bit peeved at being called stupid (maybe it's one of my fears ;-), but later my thoughts went where yours did. The government already knows everything about me. So maybe we should stand up and take a stand. Isn't that what Glen has been advocating? Anyway, thanks for validating my own thoughts on this issue.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:14amI live in a red state, own a small business and am a member of the NRA. I'm already on the list.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:17amDarn right! I'm sure they have my name for a myriad of completely legal activities that Progressives don't like. If I confirm myself as part of their opposition, oh well. Not to mention that if a couple million people end up signing, then what can they going to do anyway?
We cannot be scared of these clowns, now is NOT the time to back down, and those petitions are a public way to speak our peace. It is about standing up in their face and saying NO! PERIOD.
Go Glenn
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:18amI seems that people are focusing on asking permission to secede or focusing on secession being constitutional.
Are founders just did it. They said enough is enough. They declared that they would not obey the law of the King and would be independent.
Although we are taught that a huge majority of the citizens agreed on independence this is not so. There was much opposition and many loyalists chose to side with the King.
We just need a significant number to refuse to lie down and take it any longer. Sure there will be opposition but that didn't stop our founders. And we are the beneficiaries of their courage.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:22amUmmm, the IRS knows our ss numbers, where we live, how many people in our family, the amount of money ou make…..
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:25amWell said. Good thing Glenn wasn't around at the signing of the Declaration of Independence. He writes a book called 'Cowards' and then tells us we should be. Any 'list' we are on we are there already. They know who each and every one of us are.
Misty Williams
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:35amI have to confess, I signed on to the petitions, silly as it seems now. Thank you impulsiveness for painting a target right on my forehead! I do wish I'd given it more thought first. In any case, I don't think it's likely that the admin will do anything about these petitions, there are already rumors that the president has no intention to even acknowledge the petitions publicly, and that, with their usual disdain, they are simply going to ignore the constituency, touting the line that the election proves Mr. O has a mandate from the people. The fact is, signing the petitions has more of a symbolic value. Peaceful protest. I suppose if they start hauling those of us who signed it off, perhaps the rest of the country would wake up and realize things are worse than they want to acknowledge. Of course, there are the counter petitions demanding the fedgov strip the signors of the secession petitions of their citizenship and deport them, so maybe the rest of the country would just throw the anecdotal party naughty kids often do when those bummer, drag-me-down grown-ups leave the house. In any case, I realize I am more than ever before on a "list", but also that very little is likely to come of it.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:55ampay cash for everything…..all social media goes thru a gov. computer for key words..your already in there for ever. good luck to all of us Pray for your children.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:57amHow long before the Blaze is forced to give over names of its posters and members (If they haven't already)?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:33pmI am sure if you say anything against Obama on the computer your name is on the list.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:53pmAlthough the petitions from my state (Missouri) are little more than a joke, I believe it to be viable in some states. If either Texas or Arizona are successful, I'm definitely moving!
In case anyone wonders why none of the Confederate leaders were ever tried in a court of law — the Federal government was afraid that secession would be found legal, thus making illegal the war that claimed the lives of roughly 620,000 out of the combined populations of the US and CSA of about 30,000,000. That would put its own leaders in extremely deep doo doo. To the best of my knowledge no legislation was ever subsequently passed to bar secession.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:56pmWell then, I think that we should all start our own enemie list. Why not? They do it. So, from now on, anybody that I disagree with politically is going on MY list.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:04pm"the list" was uncovered way back in 2009 when Janet Napolitano's memo was leaked targeting Veterans and Christians. http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
If you oppose abortion, are concerned about immigration and current economic policies, and support gun rights you are ALREADY on a watchlist. Obama admin is marginalizing and targeting conservative culture.
Your online activies are not private http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10463665-38.html
I understand why Glenn is saying what he is – but I doubt Glenn would ever come to the place of active resistance. It's not in his nature. The people of America are quickly reaching critical mass with the over-reaching over-taxing anti-religion globalist direction of the Federal government.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 6:00pmYou can START DOING SOMETHING by signing THIS PETITION, which has over 93,000 SIGNATURES AND COUNTING, to DEMAND A RECOUNT AND an INVESTIGATION into the MANY suspicious activities which have gone on in this election!!!
WITH THIS PETITION YOU CAN SEND AN EMAIL OR LETTER TO YOUR STATES' RESPECTIVE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THE WHITE HOUSE IMMEDIATELY!!! You can write your own email/letter or use the sample letter which implies you are not necessarily upset with the outcome of the elections, but that you are upset about how various things were handled and you DEMAND a recount while ensuring no fraud took place. THIS COULD APPLY TO ANY POLICAL PARTY OR INDEPENDENTS!!!
What good is signing petitions to secede on the whitehouse website? WE DON'T NEED TO SECEDE!!! WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK ASAP!!!
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:00amRight on, Chamber: Beck wants to advocate for free speech, then he should SD&STFU when people apply their First Amendment rights rather than call them names or tell them to stop. Regardless what the POS P(retend)OTUS does with the petitions, we have the right to tell him to SD&STFU, too. Of course we know he is going to send his JBTs after each signer- so what? Is there something more pressing you should be doing for your country? Like, telling others to not bother speaking their mind? Or perhaps we shouldn't take the DoI seriously? Or the Constitution? or the BoR?
"When in the course of human events…", Mr Beck… it behooves the People to throw off the yoke of tyranny.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:55amHmmm…..Secession versus eventual totalitarian state – not difficult to choose.
Secession is the only avenue the bypasses war. If you don't have issues with another Civil War, then by all means, thwart the notion of secession.
We'll make it easy: Just give us the WORST area in America that you can think of. Go away. Return 20 years later and witness what the Second Coming of the Constitution has produced. It would be staggeringly amazing.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:11am"Secession is the only avenue the bypasses war."
Wow. So much fail in one little sentence.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:21amSo, you are then claiming that secession is war???
Secession is merely an option for those that prefer not to live under tyranny. Doesn't mean it will or is likely to happen, but it, at the very least, offers a glimmer of "hope". You know that thing we all once had as youngsters? The forgotten, but still-as-powerful phenomenon.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:21amI hate to say it, but I'm afraid that another Civil War is inevitable. Secession will NEVER be allowed to happen peaceably. Go read about the American Civil War, Obama and his ilk LOVE Abe Lincoln who was the biggest violator of the US Constitution that has ever held office.
Leslie Anne
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:22amWelcome to Detroit.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:07pmSounds great. You guys can have Arizona. I'd love to see what you can do with it with your amazing superpowers and no outside help.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:21pmI signed the Texas petition and gave my name. I believe that our differences are so great that civil war is unavoidable within a few decades. I wish to avoid violence.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:30pmPlease take your southern welfare state and go away. We won't stop you. Of course you will finally learn what true Socialism is when you have to share all 5 teeth that still exists in that particular part of the country.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:07pmPlease let the south out, we will go back to you don't work, you don't eat, and 95% of our blacks will flee to northern hell holes like Chicago, and prosperity will explode.
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:23amTwinspeedr: The biggest violator of the constitution, eh? Please share what constitutional rights he has violated. What are you no longer able to do that was constitutionally protected before? I know he has passed gun related legislation – by expanding gun rights and allowing them into national parks. What else?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:55amHave any of you heard of this new petition to strip citizenship from people who sign these right to secede petitions?
This is one petition that the White House might pay attention to.http://www.examiner.com/article/should-advocates-of-secession-be-allowed-to-retain-citizenship
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:03amOk so what, lets just step outside reality for a second to entertain this one.
If you are not a citizen you can get more benefits from Obama, you get to vote multiple times in any given election, and unless you are a violent criminal you can't be deported! where is the downside?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:05amDoes it matter? The Country is over, in a few years it will be completely broke. But let's do what Beck suggests, and just sit around and have happy thoughts!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:08amWhat exactly does Citizenship grant you that non-Citizenship does not? A few favorable student loans? Aside from the ease of getting a Concealed and Carry permit, citizenship doesn't grant much more than non-citizenship.. actually being a non-citizen might grant you MORE rights than being a non-citizen. Think of then being able to vote more than once!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:37amI've seen it, and I wholeheartedly approve. You people forget who it is you're fighting with. Remember? We are the violant ones.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:00pmOldphoto678, is "violant" a version of the color purple? Maybe you should quit holding your breath?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:31pmI reported it as inappropriate. Seems if they didn't like the fact that some wish to secede, that's what they should have done instead of putting up their petition.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:51pmHey Mom and to all those who call me 'bat f-ing crazy'….
Posted on November 12, 2012 at 10:55pmI'm sure DHS wont be taking note of the names or anything……
Has anyone in the media checked to make sure this isnt a FBI sting operation????
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:12pmAwesome comments in this post…
…lets just step outside reality for a second to entertain this one..
…is "violant" a version of the color purple? Maybe you should quit holding your breath? -
Posted on November 16, 2012 at 5:05amSOYBOMB315_II No……..we reject your old kook hack
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:55amThis coming from the guy who tells folks to MOVE (to TX and the like).
Don't like how your state voted… MOVEIs that what you mean by "just focus on the positive" Glenn?
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:21pmI have no idea why I would move to Texas, unless they did actually secede. They have less gun rights than my current state, they barely pulled a GOP vote in 2012.
When I move it will be Wyoming for me, thank you very much.
As to the article: Whether "they" do or don't have our information, why should individuals sit down and be fearful? The DOI had every last person's signature on it and was distributed far and wide and the Loyalists had all the names in hand. I wonder about cowardice and inciting people to be quiet and don't show their open support of any position. So the WH gets the names? Big deal. They are throwing them in the circular bin as they arrive. Even if they aren't, well, good, I don't skulk about like a thief in the night, refusing to take a stand with firm conviction.
Be quiet, indeed. Peculiar advice from a guy who wrote a book entitled "Cowards".
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:48pm@ ghost. Wife and i where talking about Wy. there other night i also like AZ. No blindfold me, i'll look evil in the eye. God bless you
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:26pm@Ghost-Agreed on the Wy deal. that's where my kids and I are looking to at this point (we're in AZ now) and agreed on the be quiet and sit down message. We can't get glenn and crew to even acknowledge that there was mass fraud last week.
I have had a very difficult time listening to him this past week because I don't feel like they are even dealing with reality. Good grief! Of all people, they should be the ones that know better than just about anyone of whom we are up against! And they don't think it's even possible??? That isn't even logical.
He's too worried about being mocked or ridiculed by the MSM, just like when they bashed Sheriff Joe Arpaio when he brought proof to the table. Stu, Glenn and Pat play the same game that the Alinsky crowd plays when they don't want to deal with issues.
It breaks my heart because there are so few to trust, I'd like to think I could trust him. I know that I must be able to pick through what he presents and find my own truth because there are specific things that they will not deal with.
If they cannot face that last week proved that our republic is in the midst of death throws, then how can he possibly tell folks to work in the 'system'. There is no more 'system'.Sir, I will not comply. I will not sit down. I will not fear 'lists' or repercussions. All that we see is a facade to keep the people 'content'. I will not be a coward for God or my country. I'm not here to go along to get along.
God bless American
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:55amWell GB's logic doesn't really hold up considering anyone that would see or hear his position on secession is probably already on a subversive list somewhere.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:58amMorning Just……..My son offered to get a FOI report on me to see what lists I might be on with this government. I told him not to bother since I blog, openly despise Obama, own land outright, am Christian, am patriotic and own guns……….I know I am on their list of most hated.
I also told him that if I disappear and the Rapture has not occurred he might want to check with the local fusion center as to my whereabouts.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:37pmFOI reports are fun things. I'm a Libertarian (big "L") so I'm already on their short list. The last FOI report I saw regarding the Libertarian Party considered them a risk to national security (this was in the 1990′s, last I checked). Add in that I used to hold a security clearance and work in military intelligence, and I know for a fact that the short list I'm on just got a whole heck of a lot shorter.
I figure what are they going to do, kill me twice?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:20pm@GhostOfJefferson, LOL I'm in the same boat. Big L Libertarian, military clearance and to top it off all the women in my family are DAR members.
@Momrules, Yes you're an evil subversive. Not to mention you ARE really a Libertarian that just hasn't quite accepted it yet. At least much of what you posts sounds like it. I'd say you're on the fence leaning my way.
Dismayed Veteran
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:11pmGhost
I was a 9666 in the early 70′s. As a former Counterintelligence Officer, I know I am on the list. I visited Prague several years ago. Immigration questioned me when I returned to the US more thoroughly than when I had returned from the UK, Spain, and Switzerland.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:42pmYeah, we are all on lists made by them. Now why do you want to be on a list made by you that will give them an excuse to neutralize you before you even get started? Is that intelligent or what? You only live once, GHOST. Don't use a laser pointer on yourself, and I'm not just talking about the useless secession lists sent to the Commie House.
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 6:12pmAs an act of civil disobedience:
1) paint your car gray with paint gun dye.
2) put your license plates inside the car pointing up at an angle.
3) hang a cross or crucifix from the rear view mirror.
4) get a "natural born American" bumper stickerThe surveillance cameras and drones will be useless.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:53amI think Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Texas would do just fine as a country. We would not have to put up with an "empty chair" attitude and would have representation. If Beck does not like it move to France where he would fit in just fine.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:06pmTexas is WAY overrated. They have big gov goons and out of control cops just like any other state. They run their mouths like they are all Davy Crocketts or something. They can't even keep the illegal Mexicans out. They are being overrun as we speak.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:40pmthat is NOT necessary
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:47pmYes the cops in Texas are way out of control. They will take your blood by force on the road if they think you've been drinking. Oversize police forces writing tickets to the people that can afford to pay and letting crime go un-checked in the bad parts of town.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:00pmAgree with mil-dot and hussein, I lived in San Angelo (well, was stationed there for a while). Texas has it's good points, but if anybody thinks they are small government, small town and easy going from a cop/government perspective, they're kidding themselves.
To Glenn, Texas is a heaven because he came from New York City. Stalingrad in 1956 would look more free than NYC on any given day. Texas severely restricts firearms rights (try to open carry there like a "cowboy", I dare you). They have a very strong social stigma present for anybody that doesn't fit in (libertarians generally are very uncomfortable there, ask me, I'm a libertarian) and if you cross any social mores (don't go to church enough, belong to the *wrong* church for your community, etc) you might as well resign yourself to hermitude.
Sorry, Wyoming for me. Between my experiences with both, Wyoming is almost America in 1880, and the people are very pleasant nice and leave you alone to live as you please without putting you on "do not talk to" lists. Plus you can open carry, and conceal carry, no license required there. :) Oh, and taxes are much lower.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 7:02pmI'm willing to move anywhere if thats what it takes, but when you are talking about forming a country you have to look at certain things from an infrastructure perspective. Wyoming is a gorgeous state. Unfortunately you don't have robust infrastructure, access to ports, numerous airports and railways. Not only that the size of Texas is a huge plus. The state could absorb 10′s of millions moving there, albeit in an organized way over a period of time. You have to account for the influx of likeminded people from all over clamoring to get in. As far as the illegal immigration problem goes. Does anyone think a bunch of illegals would stick around in a liberty minded conservative society. There would be a mass exodus back to Mexico and into the "old county".
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 12:29amNot to mention, from my understanding, most the 'jobs' created in TX are the dotgov variety, and we all know who pays their wages…
Posted on November 15, 2012 at 11:09am@FOXHOLEATHEIST we have no more right to seceed from Washington D.C. than the Colonists had the right to seceed from the British Empire.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:52amThe comment that I wish to make is this: the Texas secession petition may be considered in a different light than those from the other states due to the way the Republic of Texas joined the Union. I don't have the details in front of me but I believe that they may have reserved the right to secede if future events warranted.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:03amThe only special privilege attendant upon Texas admission to statehood in 1845 was the right to divide itself into up to five new states if it so chose. It has no more legal right to secede than any other state. Many Texans are so attached to "Texas exceptionalism" that they believe it does, but it's a myth.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:07amNo they didn't. That's a myth. No state has the right to succeed. They agreed when they joined. One nation indivisible. That means no.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:22amHere's a quick summary of the Texas Constitution.It was far better when we were a Republic than after when all the politicians mucked it up. It we could join. I suppose we could just leave. All we have to do is pay back what we as a state owe the Feds and with all the military bases being cleared out, all military personnel would be free to decide which side they want to stand with. Even though I believe possession is 9/10 of the law, I don't know if we could keep all military fire power. I don't think the forefathers would want us to put up with the dismanting of our union and not be willing to set a precedent for freedom. Plenty of awful precedents have already occurred in just the last four years. It time to consider another way.
https://www.tsl.state.tx.us/treasures/constitution/index.html -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:33amLloyd
Maybe that is what Texas needs to do, it wouldn't gain conservatives any extra electoral votes, but it would hopefully give more conservative Senate seats -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:33am@FOXHOLEATHEIST is probably correct in the brave new world of fascism when he says that 'no state has the right to SUCCEED' It will be very tough for any state to succeed with all the mandates that the federal gov't is heaping on them. That is the best reason to secede, and a peaceful secession from the union would clearly make Texas the 15th largest economy in the world. A free Texas would grow so rapidly and become so prosperous that we would undoubtedly move up the list.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:44amIf the government enacted by the People becomes destructive, we the People have the right, some say duty (I'm in that camp), to abolish that government and start anew. As for the right to secession, that may not exist, but we are not talking about rights. Those come from the Creator, we are talking about withdrawing from a compact made voluntarily, the creation of which (Federal government) is not acting within its bounds, and no member of that compact enforcing the provisions of that compact. Who would want to stay in a business relationship like that? Either secession or nullification.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:50pmSomeone said it before … Did our founders have the LEGAL right to secede from England ?
The answer is no .. so what's the problem .. We ask for it .. if they say no .. we do it anyway …
If they send the goons or military … we fight .. You think it's hard to tell if a Taliban ********** is the enemy or just a citizen, wait until they try and figure out who of us is an enemy .. let alone the military having second thoughts of mowing down their own. Unless he wants to be and look like Hitler .. we will win. My opinion .. it won't ever come to this.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:49amThis is a proper step. The petititoning for government for relief if you feel its wrong. If war is upon us then so be it. If they come for me for voicing my opinion let them come. My faith stands strong. My committment is absolute. They can take my life but they can never steal my liberty. I would rather die a free man than live in fear or as a slave. The Brave will stand now! The Cowards will hide! We can not solve problems by running scared! Its time to put up or shut up!
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:48amLeaving is not the answer. Continuing to fight to take back THIS country, and to hold the elected officials of WHATEVER party to the CONSTITUTION.
51% is no mandate. 52% is no mandate.
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Their policies will contribute to enough pain for everyone even the greedy 47% will dwindle by mid-terms. If the Congress can be turned to the GOP our only issue will be bad foreign policy.-
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:14am"Their policies will contribute to enough pain for everyone even the greedy 47% will dwindle by mid-terms…"
This logic is laughable. So, let me get this straight… You think the 47% will tire of the policies that give them free stuff and see the light and vote for conservatives? Even if Santa Clause Obama doesn't give the all they want, the next progressive democrat in line will promise them more. We'll just tax the rich more.
Truth be told, the problem is NOT liberals. The problem is we no longer have a nation of 50 States that are free to make up their own mind about things. Instead, everything is dictated to us from Washington. We should have 50 labs going. If Vermont wants to be liberal. Let them. If Texas wants to let people open cary, let them. That's the way things are supposed to be.
Secession may not be the answer, but it is one of only two viable option. The only other is to have an Article V convention and make sure the following amendments are added:
1. Repeal of the 16th and 17th Amendments.
2. Balanced Budget Amendment.
3. Term Limits for Congress.
4. Elimination of the Federal Reserve system.Fix those 4 things and the ship rights itself very quickly. All you folks talking about 2014 and 2016 are just suffering from wishful thinking. There might be "elections", but can we trust them? Do you actually trust the results of the one we just had? More has to be done. And it has to be done quicker than 2014 or 2016.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:35amI don't think you understand. Half of the country wants it's free stuff. They also happen to be the fastest growing segment of American society. The republic is gone forever and has been for a long time.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:40pmSo what do you suggest, Ray? We stay and atrophy (the producers) to the point that we get to be just like Greece, with its mobs of firebomb tossing socialist thugs and the handful of producers left there hiding behind the curtains in their homes, hoping they don't get bombed?
Working within the system hasn't worked my entire political life (~30 years). The looter class keeps growing, and we keep getting smaller. What do you suggest, besides sit down and cast useless votes against a prevailing and quickly growing majority of looters?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:44pmwhich part do you feel is more likely to happen. Congress sees power! – Power it isn't likely going to relinquish. Elections are bogus; see 2012 and voting in a congress that is likely to is a pipedream – so how exactly do you expect that an Article V convention is going to get called
Amendments may be proposed by either :
two-thirds of both houses of the United States Congress ; or
by a national convention assembled at the request of the legislatures of at least two-thirds of the states.To become part of the Constitution, amendments must then be ratified either by approval of :
the legislatures of three-fourths of the states ; or
state ratifying conventions held in three-fourths of the states.Congress has discretion as to which method of ratification should be used.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:48amThe government has been prepping for something against us for a long time. Secession petitions make little difference to them. It's all happening right in front of us. They know pushback will come from a rebellious few, just like King George thought we were a bunch of upstarts. A signature may bring trouble for those signing, but trouble is already here. The wisest thing about the American Revolution was that those rebellious and brave few founded like minded groups in secret for as long as possible. Not many wanted to be turned in by their neighbors as traitors to the crown. I'm sad to say in our time it won't be long before Hussein offers compensation to Americans willing to turn in their neighbor for not buying health insurance or keeping their Romney/Ryan sign up in their garage. Or flying their American flag upside down expressing the distress the nation is in.
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Only 30 percent of the populace wanted freedom from King George. Beck needs to remember that. I had hoped some Texan had rubbed off on him, but I think this election has him a little freaked out and he's trying to backtrack. Too late Glenn, we can only go "Forward" like the Prez says and trying changing the elitist Obama loving liberal media is a waste of time and energy. Secession is a last resort, but may be the only one left when the American dollar collapses.-
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:43amYes there is a secret conspiracy against the citizens of the country by the millions of federal goverment workers. The are incredibly adept at keeping it secret. Not one of those millions has broken from the plan. The entire government is inhabited by liberals. Even Jim Demint is mum on this one.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:35pmOk, keep mocking. You're still free to do so. So long as you dare not mock King Barry the First.
And those government workers punch in, punch out, collect the check and have not a care in the world because eventually working Americans will bail out their public pensions.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:47amI agree to give Obama your name and your mind set is just asking for trouble. I have no doubt he would use that list first in people he would attack.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:39pm'THEY' are PREPARED are You – Everyone around You ?
remember 'THEY' have been preparing for this day for over a 100 yrs,,,
we have been active with our lives – we have taken things for granted
We have just been 'shaken' to our 'core' PREPARE the ones around you
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:51pmWe are all already on a list somewhere. Giving Obama your first and last name and email isn't going to matter a whole lot when he starts looking for people to attack.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:11pm2012 is the first person I read who is on target here. The Communist agenda starting with with Woodrow Wilson (if not earlier) has a 100 year head start on us. Of the people who have started to "see" where our government has headed are just babies in this chess game. The government is 10 moves ahead of us. (Remember they had a 2700 page health care bill ready to sign in one day.) Just like in chess, you don't knee jerk to a piece being taken as it could be there to bait you giving the opponent a bigger win later in the game. The charlatan won the election (as planned) and we are all knee-jerking here with secession. Think about it. I for one am not sure what the correct approach is other than trust in God because all the other ones stink. I don't think Glenn's decision is right or wrong but Proverbs says that a cool head does prevail.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:46amI think Glenn Beck should back off a little here. Let the people get their angst out. They're lashing out because they're angry. They really thought (as did I) that the chronic unemployment, crippling debt and Keystone Kops domestic and foreign policy of Obama was apparent to most of the electorate. Clearly..the media did it's job very well and it wasn't. They're angry, they're hurting..just like liberals were in 2004 when Kerry lost. In 2004 they had a complicit media doing the complaining for them but conservatives and libertarians dont' have that balm for their wounds…they only have their own voices and they're screaming at the country right now.."what the hell were you thinking?".
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Mr Beck..let them vent it's carthatic and necessary to begin refocusing on the important things.
Besides…the Benghazi situation is boiling over with Petraeus now dominating the news and he's going to testify before congress and he no longer has his job on the line…can you say..impeachment? Never interrupt your enemy while he's making a mistake.-
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:02am… the "we've got every office……we've got the power…we've got the Congress…so what are you gonna do about it" attitude and being shown what you believe is pretty irrelevant brings out the anger in people…..
I can't help but think of Moses ….people dancing around the fire….a Golden Calf.
Lloyd Drako
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:17amChildren throwing a tantrum over universal health care, a slight increase in the marginal tax rate and a foreign policy somewhat less given to equating every threat with Hitler or George III. When their faces are purple with exhaustion, time for a little thumb-sucking and a nap with a fuzzy blanky. They'll (you'll?) grow out of it.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:30am@Lloyd,
That only works if you're content being a boot licking serf such as yourself. For people who long to be free the nap only allows them to wake up recharged. You want to be a ward of the state? Fine go for it. May your chains rest lightly upon you…and may the blue glove of security be gentle for you.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:35amLike I said LLOYD DRAKO…it's no different to the lashing out the left did in 2004 who were convinced that Kerry would win the election. Human beings get angry at great disappointment…signing a petition is a healthy outlet. Would you rather they just shoot an Obama voter instead?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:00pmLloyds post reminds me of the careless yet curiously resentful attitude of the domesticated rabbits in Watership Down. Content to be well fed and cared for, and ever trying not to notice the human that would come out and chop a few of them into supper from time to time. Resentful of the wild rabbits that showed up and were stunned that fellow rabbits could be so complacent and ignorant of life.
Just struck me that way, what an odd thing to pop into my mind in the middle of the day.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:46amI don't recognize my country. I stand for secession.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:45amProxy servers, phony g-mail addresses. Easy. Besides there is power in numbers.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:09amSecond thoughts.
Civil War? With the budget cuts coming the DoD will be sending thousands of troops home with no prospect for employment. Think they are going to be happy campers? Then after they do send those troops home who will they have left to fight with and will those troops pick up arms against their fathers and brothers to defend a Socialist state? Those who think they will blindly follow orders underestimate our own sons and daughters.
But this is what will tell. The people and the states can make all the noise they want but until companies large and small stop collecting payroll taxes AND the states intercede to prevent the IRS from closing those businesses it's all a bunch of hot air.
Small World
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:45amOkay Glenn you tell us to stand when we do you tell us not to . The election was stolen . The military did not get to vote. What do we do. I have not listened to MM for years.Enough ! Would so many people sign to secede if Obama really won. Call the judge what do we do????
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:00amSee – You are now realizing that when you listen to and believe a clown like Beck… When things really come to bear… You are left unable to THINK FOR YOURSELF.
So much for your FREEDOM!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:27am@Zappa
You're too stupid to read that we are not alignng with Beck on this one. Apparently you got Obama-type grades in school. Dumb as dirt just like your King. Conservatives are critical thinkers. Liberals just feel and yell, no thinking necessary. Whoever shouts loudest and mocks the strongest wins. Your VP Biden is the posterboy for this behavior. -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:26pmthere is NO KING save for Our
KING of kings and LORD of lords
Son of ALMIGHTY GOD
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:43amI agree 100%…handing the government your name on something such as this is just plain stupid. Your now on a list, for sure.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:52amThere is noting to fear but fear itself. Everyone has talked now its time to walk the walk and we see clearly some are just talkers.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:52amIf your ip address is on any conservative web site, your name is already on the list
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:58amIf you are a registered republican or conservative you are already on a list. We will not live in fear.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:59amYou think you're not already? Very naive.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:20pmHey man, I have a list too. It is filled with progs and idiot libs that I cannot stand. They got a list, I got a list. Get it people. What, you think only progs have enemies lists? Ha ha ha ha…..Get your own damn list.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:43amAs long as people that don't pay taxes are electing your leaders, taxpayers are for the most part screwed. There is not enough taxpayers to run the country, were run by idiots and that's not likely to change until the voting laws are changed to "one positive tax return gets one vote". End of story.
"Remember Benghazi"
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:43amJustice Scalia might not be right about succession…it is and always has been a legal option for States under the Declaration, Articles, and Constitution….but that doesn't mean splitting the USA into a west, central, and east piece is the key either….
Elections and votes have consequences….
States after every election have this…some group unhappy with the outcome fills out and sends in these petitions…nobody every cared to report on it before..so why now….??Beck is RIGHT!!.. NEVER let a crisis go to waste..remember….Show the nearly 100 million people that didn't vote but could have that the 59 million that voted for Romney and Other are NUTJOB RADICAL EXTREMISTS that want to destroy the Federal Government, kill grandma, and impose some sort of Christian Theocracy or Right Wing Military Dictatorship…
Next thing you know they are ordering all guns be collected, those that "prep" are rounded up and put into "domestic terrorism" camps or at the best on "watch lists" as enemies of the State….
and then what…what happens when the petitions AREN'T granted…then you get Ms. Valeria "we will get payback on those that stood against us" Garrett on TV as the new Domestic Terrorism Czar and the conversion to Big Brother is complete… Brown shirts in the streets..turn in your crazy neighbor training in schools… USSA transformation COMPLETE!!
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 4:01pmVRW Conspirator:
Some of the folks (a lot of them?) that signed the Texas petition are from states who would like to see Texas leave – govt gonna go after them too? That petition was nothing official, anyone from anywhere could sign it multiple times if they chose to do so. Seceding is a legal action. A silly "petition" like that one won't even begin to get a handful of dirt and a dead cat declared independant.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:42amround them all up who sign those petitions get a rope and try them for treason sedition terrorism
i dare any red-state to try to secede you all are cowards….
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:55amI hear echos of KING GEORGE and his loyalists. Didn't turn out too well for him did it?
Half of the nation is ready for something better. We had that chance stolen by George Soros.
We're not against this great nation, we tried to save it. You can keep the socialist mecca you want and when it fails like they all do, stay put and work to save it. See how it goes."We do not have to live like this… …we can do better." – Mitt Romney
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:56amcome on liberal cur….bring it.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:11amYea right. A candy-ass socialist is going to call anyone a coward. A little punk who wants the government to care for him. Don't forget, we bitter clingers have guns and a belief in the afterlife. Most veterans like myself are the very people your little punk ass is calling cowards. We are not afraid to die for what we believe in. How about you?
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:11amEverybody, calm down. Do either of you really want to be a nation of fratricide? No.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:32amCabrio,
Fighting against people who wish to enslave my children with debt and tyranny is not fratracide. Just because we share citizenship doesn't somehow make tyranny not tyranny.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:36am@cabrito
What kind of a brother or sister asks you to work so he doesn't have to?
Feed the kids he doesn't care about, clothe them, educate them, and support them til they're 26?
Force their elderly parents to work until they're 80 to support all the grandkids they're not responsible for???
I think most Americans care and are the most charitable people on the earth, but we passed the point of no return a long time ago. The Great Society never culminated.
No one wants violence, but if one of those "brothers or sisters" comes to TAKE.
Well…… whatever will be, will be.
God be with us. -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:42am"as nations become more corrupt and vicious they will have more need of masters"- Benjamin Franklin.
As the left becomes more emboldened and demands incarcerations and lynchings as you have just demanded SOCIALISM…you will need masters like Obama to enable you to do these things. -
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:44amyou sound just like hitler, round em up and kill them? sounds like you want concentration camps.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:27pmSocialism Rocks……..Just where the He77 do you live? You have got to be one of the dumbest Fu#@ers I've seen on this forum. Screw secession! This is OUR country not "any" politition's. As for you Socialism………you have no say because your kind was, is and will always be enemies of the state!
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:49pmAh yes, socialism.rocks, another Warrior from the 5th Long Range Tactical Keyboard Division.
Your feigned snarls are about as genuine as a guy being patted down saying that the baggie of dope that's found belongs to a friend. Spare us your far distant and basement cloistered anger, you're a nobody.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:41amGlenn is correct. I have been saying this in multiple postings. You do not petition the tyrant for relief from his tyranny, nor secede without the means to defend your decision and your life. And now, the tyrant has your name and signature. It is not smart. When you secede, you do so completely…and even if you think your state has the means to resist, it does not possess the training or weapon systems of the tyrant. Please choose wisely.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:45amExactly – its getting around now that the people on the list will be considered by the White House as enemies of the nation, be stripped of citizenship and duely exiled or jailed for life on treason.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:51amSo you think everyone should sit down, shut up and take whatever the dog-god Obama gives them? What can they do to law abiding citizens? lock us up? thousands of us? I refuse to hide in fear, we have spent so much time trying to get along and not rock the boat that we are well on our way to becoming Western Europe.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:19am@Untamable-Kate:
We do not hide in fear, we stand in our states, strengthen them one by one to withstand the creep into our liberties and oppression of the Federal government; We must use all peaceful means and still be ready for a time that may come of Obama using force on law-abiding citizens.
If he sweeps up all these people and has them executed or stripped of their citizenship w/o due process or more; then we fall into a tyranny and we do not do a civil war: we start the second great revolution against a domestic tyrant.
That is what people need to understand: the civil war ended the question of secessionist movement until a tyranny comes; and then if a tyrant arises take arms against him
Encourage states to counter the NDAA executive order (the unlimited detention of citizens) with legislation as Texas has.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:33amSnow, I don't think there will be any states that will actually secede. I will not, however stand by while the dog-god Obama destroys this great nation in silence. Every time we sit in silence while our republic is being dismantled we give our consent.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:52amYep, Kate, they will lock you up by the thousands. Prison is a money making venture these days, if they build them, they will fill them. Dissent against the government is a crime, so much for your status as law abiding citizen.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:10pmMUDD, what country do you live in? I have every right to peaceful dissent.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 12:26pmI hear you, Kate, I'm on your side. I'm just saying, yes they will lock you/us up by the thousands.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:51pmNobody thinks that you ask permission to secede in real life. These petitions are instead a showing of pure dissent and declaring intent to action should things get worse. Secession is never a matter of permission from the place you wish to secede from. They have no say, and no legalities apply.
As to "fighting", folks keep forgetting that most nuclear silos are way out in Montana, Wyoming and other states most of us are talking about going to. Just sayin'.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 2:55pm@Mudd
No they won't. The best way to temper an angry movement is to not lend them credence. Locking up thousands would 1) draw attention to the actions immediate and 2) start a real civil war because frankly, will you sit and wait for them to show up while hearing about tens to hundreds of thousands being rounded up for peaceful dissent?
Any man with arms, that lays them down peacefully and allows himself to be taken to prison for peaceful freedom of speech, especially given the NDAA that Der Leader Obama shoved through, is a fool.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:35ami hope they can secede, they will probably be better off for it and if there doing economically well from it, people are going to move there in swarms. Glenn Beck is a statist nutjob, making money by telling lies.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 1:26pmIndiv,
Yep, Beck is a scardy-cat. He is making a good living off all this crap. He talks a good game but when the chips are down, he folds like a cheap lawn chair. When the SHTF, there will be many that side with the goons and many that side with the patriots. It will eventually delineate along racial lines. The white-guilt progs will find out what the minorities really think of them eventually. I wish I could only see the look on their faces when it happens.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:39amAnyone who trusts this White House is a fool.
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:38amI confess, I thought the same thing. Why would I want to give my name, IP address, and whatever else (maybe emailk address) to this White House???!!!
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 3:39pmYallComeBack: They already have it, and know how often you visit each site you visit ,how many emails you receive from sites like TheBlaze. You're ISP has to record it – Google and MOST search engines record it. If you use the privacy and filtering software to mask your IP a flag goes up and you are considered suspicious. Signing that petition didn't tell 'em anything they don't already have. "Google" it if you don't beleive me. It's not paranoia. It's part of new internet laws – your ISP has to keep a record of where you visit. I think it's for at least two years. Reserved words or "trigger" words in emails are flagged for further review for terrorism. A lot of my emails are pro-life in nature. I'm already on their list.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 10:37amYour Logic is sound, Glenn. But you're idadvertantly telling the dissenters "Keep quiet. They'll know who you are and make your life reall really tough". SO I pose the queswtion to you: at what point do the people take their last stand to defend liberty and the Constitution? At what point do the people say "I pledge my Life, my Fortune, and my Sacred Honour"?
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:01amDon't we all know seccession is not going to happen! But don't we also know that all 675,000 think that this the only way we think that we can at least feel like we have a voice. When you vote they forget all about you when they get there. Pretty Sad! You tell us to take a stand and when we do you tell us to backdown. I feel for my chidren and grandchildren, THIS IS NOT THE SAME COUNTRY I GREW UP IN. This debt will destroy us
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Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:22am@AFish:
No he is not telling them to keep quiet. He is telling them that we need to now strengthen the states one by one to be ready for what is to come in the economic collapse. The state must survive as the Fed's will try to grab power then; IF a tyranny arises and turns on the people with violence, then we will have a revolution on our hands against Obama – not a civil war.
Posted on November 14, 2012 at 11:55amThis is not about being quiet, but remaining anonymous. The tipping point will be when martial law and the suspension of elections at the State and Federal levels are implemented…when overt political opposition no longer has a foothold…when Posse Comitatus is suspended to ensure your compliance…when you have the means to resist openly and can sustain the effort.
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