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Updated: December 27, 2012
Friends described Jesse McElhinney as having an infectious smile, and someone that could always find a way to make you laugh.
The 16 year old was killed in a shooting on the east end of Altoona on Wednesday night.
The detials of the shooting have yet to be released, but one friend confirmed it was McElhinney after a phone call with the 16 year-old's Aunt.
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"I've teared up a few times today. Everyone has teared up a few times, but they've had a ton of friends and family coming over and showing them the support and everything," Friend and neighbor Michael Alexander says.
No charges have been filed in the shooting that took place in Altoona's east end Wednesday. Investigators are scheduled to meet with the District Attorney's office Friday.
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My buddy Jason Rumsey, who works in the waste business in Philadelphia, called the other day. He wanted to know what I thought about a voice over IP system for his small business. Their current PBX had not bitten the dust, but the one and only technician who could maintain it was retiring to spend time with his grand kids, along with his favorable hourly rates.
This question was a no-brainer. The flexibility of a new VoIP system would allow them to meld their office lines and mobile phones, pick up messages anywhere, and even easily move their business without the hassle of transferring numbers. Additionally, upgrading from that no-name PBX system with spare parts available only on eBay left them little choice but to buy something that was IP-enabled, since TDM PBX's are now an endangered breed.
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There is too much revenue at stake to walk away from servicing large customer TDM environments. Even carriers are loath to force these businesses to accept SIP trunking because they want to keep them as a reference client.
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Despite equipment manufacturers providing an upgradable chassis and offering to keep the old handsets on a VoIP system, there is still a cost to making any upgrade and any decrease in the cost of long distance calling will probably be tiny for these large customers who command VoIP-competitive pricing today for TDM. Meanwhile, carriers have updated their internal networks to IP and the cost for TDM telecom network is relatively on par with SIP.
3. PBX is not a going-forward strategy
This one comes from my colleague in AT&T Consulting, Rich Wall. Whether the application is corporate internal communication or a call center, the future is mobile applications, chat, and visual IVR's for contact center. No matter how you look at it, mobility has to be integrated into the decision. Unified communications (UC) to the mobile device is the desired end-state. An investment in PBX infrastructure does not support that on its own.
In order to justify voice transformation, the key is to think like my friend's small business in three ways:
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What is the value of being able to move a call center easily between two geographies? Or being able to enable more home workers? What is the value of getting the best resource on the line with a customer the first time by launching an IP call from an intelligent IVR off a mobile device application?
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Use cloud services to transcribe calls and make them available to a user anywhere. Move from a video call to a voice call as an executive walks out of his office on his way to a meeting across town. Make yourself available to the right people under any circumstances by melding text, speech, and video.
3. TDM: The end is near! (We mean it this time.)
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Is Arming Principals the Answer to School Violence?
A Georgia lawmaker thinks it would at least send a message.
WSBTV Channel Two recently reported that Georgia Rep. Paul Battles, a Republican from Bartow County, is proposing that in the absence of an armed school resource officer, the school principal be trained and armed. There would be a cost involved — that of purchasing the guns and training the principals. It wouldn't, however, be as costly as paying a full-time salary for a school resource officer. Battles said it would at least send a message to anyone contemplating anything like the massacre that happened in Newtown, Conn.
"If you come in and try to do harm to children and administrators you are going to be met with force," Battles told Channel 2.
But not everyone agrees. One parent reportedly said he didn't believe adding more guns to the mix is the answer to the problem.
What do you think? Is arming and training school principals the right way to go in the absence of trained police officers in the schools?
9:30 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Ever notice how these shootings only happen in 'gun free zones'... interesting.
Jackie Irish
12:46 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
There was an armed security guard at Columbine and armed security personnel at Virginia Tech.
12:56 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Yes there was, the shooters knew who was armed and targeted him first. Also he was trained to retreat and call for backup.
The idea of allowing someone be armed at school takes away the idea in a shooters mind that they will have no resistance. Also no one will know who is armed other than the principal.
George Wilson
1:13 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Was representatives Giffords meeting in the shopping center or the shooting at the theater in Colorado in a "gun free zone"? Just asking.
1:22 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
George it is the only mass shooting that didn't happen in a GRZ.
1:37 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
George I misread you comment. Only the Giffords event didn't happen in a GFZ, it's I think the only one.
9:57 am on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
The people who do this kind of thing aren't stupid......far from it. Their intent is to inflict the maximum amount of damage that they can. So of course, it makes sense that they would take the path of least resistance to express their rage.
And we are the stupid ones, because we advertise "Gun Free Zones".
Jackie Irish
12:48 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
The movie theater in Aurora was not advertised as a 'gun-free' zone, nor was the house in Webster where the firefighters were shot, nor was the shopping mall in Portland.
1:04 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Jackie the city of Aurora has a carry ban ordinance.
The shopping mall has a policy against carry there.
The shooter in Webster was a felon that was allowed to take a plea deal instead of a murder charge for killing his grandmama with a hammer. He used a gun which, he was forbidden to have, and ambushed those firemen.
12:38 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Until we can remove all "Gun Free Zones" (aka victim enrichment zones) from law, I say the best, most efficient, and most humane thing we can do is allow school employees to use State Law 16-11-127.1(c)(6). Under that code section, permission can be granted to school employees by an official of the school to carry a firearm. Some schools in Georgia are already using this law.
1:44 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
If I was a teacher or principal and was forced to carry a gun I would be insisting on a pay raise.
Gretchen Irons
1:18 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
If teachers and administrators wanted to carry guns then WE would have taken a completely different career path.
1:26 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Gretchen I know several school employees that have contacted me wanting to be able to carry there. Nobody should make you carry if you don't want to, same as not making someone be made defenseless.
1:47 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Guns and children obviously don't mix. They should've put metal detectors on entrances to all schools long ago.
1:59 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Eenkling, Metal detectors? Is that what we as a society want? A police state at schools? What would it cost to man them?
10:07 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
A metal detector would have helped in Sandy Hook how? As if the shooter would have stopped at the entrance when they went off. Please, that's ridiculous.
Racer X
8:22 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Becky- Good point, obviously they needed that and a few more "no guns" signs. That would of stopped him, oh, and some more laws, that would have helped too.
1:54 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
It figures the representative is from Georgia and is a republican. There is no way principals or teachers should have weapons in our schools. It is just another BAD idea being pushed by the NRA onto our politicians. I wonder how much the NRA lobbyists had to pay that guy to make such a stupid proposal. If we have people in our government that are this ignorant, voters need to take a harder look at WHO they elect.
2:03 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Several states allow carry in schools (CA, OR, NH, AL). So GA is behind the Democrats of CA, OR, and NH on this. Why don't you trust the school empolyees? Many of them carry safely everyday while shopping, dining, going to the park, etc why not allow them the decency to protect themselves and our children at schools?
2:40 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Don't wet yourself Eenkling when I say this. There are people all around you with CC permits and they probably have a gun on them.
And surprise they aren't going around shooting people.
Mr. B
2:55 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
I wonder if the husband of the CT school principal feels the same as you. I wonder how many parents of the dead children wish their principal was armed. I doubt the NRA had anything to do with this. Its just good sound advice. We should always take hard looks at who we elect; those with our best interests in mind make better lawmakers than those pushing for the UN to take control of our country.
3:15 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Eenkling... your comments are priceless. That kool-aide is some strong stuff huh? Thanks for the belly laugh.
David Brown
3:49 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
My wife happens to teach in a Snellville area elementary school. Neither she nor her principal have any desire to be armed or to "carry", the new euphemism for having a firearm.
Mr. B
4:52 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Its not a new euphemism. The GA permit is called a Weapons Carry License.
10:09 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
And that's fine. I'm sure someone in the school would be willing. Not every teacher has to be armed.
Racer X
6:49 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Not everyone should carry. It's not for everyone, only for those who can have a resolve to protect their charges no matter what.
Brett Harrell
3:56 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Georgia law already provides a method for school employees to carry a firearm - Ed Stone, Examier article: http://www.examiner.com/article/georgia-law-already-provides-a-method-for-school-employees-to-carry-firearms?fb_action_ids=574528342572839&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%22574528342572839%22%3A113909772114953%7D&action_type_map=%7B%22574528342572839%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=[]
Harnett Hawk Driver
4:12 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Don't try to put this responsibility all on a principle. Just having a firearm is probably not much of a deterent unless the person is trained and "willing" to take a life. There are very few Legal gun owners and permit holders (military and Law enforcement excluded) who understand the feeling of actually putting a round into another human and the reality of your ability to take their life. As for "trained" security calling for back-up, this situation has been corrected under the new actions for active shooters training which has been updated for all of those personnel. No more do they look for assistance or worry about the occupants. They go directly to the threat and eliminate it. I think georgia is tracking along the correct and prudent lines if a trained officer is not available.
4:17 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
"Just having a firearm is probably not much of a deterent unless the person is trained and "willing" to take a life. There are very few Legal gun owners and permit holders (military and Law enforcement excluded) who understand the feeling of actually putting a round into another human and the reality of your ability to take their life."
Here is a mom using a gun successfully without training other than her husband showing her what to do. It's the 911 tape of the Loganville mom that did what had to be done: http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/dramatic-911-call-released-in-intruder-shooting/nTrLK/
r patton
10:37 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Harnett --- you made the wrong remark, its' not "......unless the person is trained and "willing" to take a life". You should have said, are you willing to "Protect" lives that would have been taken otherise".
4:32 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Would they be willing to do this? Who would train them? I'm not sure that is the solution.
David Brown
4:44 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Elizabeth, good questions and a good observation. "Would they be willing to do this?" is THE question if the backers of the second amendment actually believe in the first amendment.
4:46 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
I pointed out in my earlier post I know several folks that have a desire too. The training aspect is of course still up to debate, although trainers are stepping forward offering their services free or at a very discounted price. Of course a non-trained mom in the post above yours hit the bad guy with a percentage way better than almost all LE involved shootings. So the idea that an untrained person can't possibly be able is not true.
The idea of armed employees inside the schools is the best solution I have seen.
John B
6:10 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
A bit of a slippery slope. I'm not opposed to trained security on site carrying but arming the principal may not be the best option. What to do if the principal is on vacation or sick? Who is appointed his/her surrogate? What if the surrogate is out in parallel? To many unanswered questions and what ifs including willingness as mentioned above.
6:55 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
John B. it's simple let other school employees be allowed to carry if they choose. These folks are background checked, we allow them to be involved in shaping our children's minds why not allow the them the ability to react if necessary? One thing that caught my eye about the CT tragedy is that the police department was 2.5 miles away, but the response time was over 10 minutes. We can't afford police in every school, but we can easily do what I propose with low/no cost and the response time will be seconds not minutes.
John B
7:01 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Again, not opposed to it and if other school employees are comfortable carrying then that makes more sense than to require the principal to do so if the principal is not all in. I say this because there is that thing called "intestinal fortitude." Training and a license to carry don't provide an inate ability to pull the trigger if necessary. That's what I mean by all in. You have to be willing and able.
r patton
10:46 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
No, it is the solution. While living in Florida, all the schools my kids attended had armed Resource Officers (Sheriff's Deputies) from 7am to 4pm. And, I know for a fact, numerous other school personnel had guns in their trucks, cars etc. And, in order to get into the school, you had to pass by the deputies desk and the main office AND.... video cameras. If someone tried to get out or in via the fire doors, an alarm was sounded and numerous people would respond to the alarm, including the deputy. The years my kids were in school, there was NOT one incident of any kind invloving guns, knives etc.
North Georgia Weather
8:34 pm on Wednesday, January 9, 2013
Works in Texas. This is what you do. http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/texas-school-guardian-plan-allows-teachers-guns-174238129.html
I work in a school, I'd do it.
Good Grief Y'all
7:45 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Why don't we know what to do already? There have been many tragedies, mostly since the late 90s, to study and research to come up with the best solutions. There is no one solution. It is going to take a multi-faceted plan and approach, and even then the best we can expect is that there will be fewer mass shootings. I believe mental health is the biggest factor that has been nearly ignored. We should tackle all the factors at once, not one aspect at a time.
Shane Reynolds
9:39 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Great answer. Too many responses to these tragedies have had more to do with personal agendas than an honest effort at a solution. I have been trying to find out more about the mental health aspect of background checks when firearms are purchased (yes, everyone, I know that wouldn't have changed a thing about Lanza's actions), but I still believe it is a reasonable bruise on a right to privacy to ensure someone without mental capacity is not buying weapons.
Rebecca Kennedy
8:12 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
If the Principles are to carry guns then there should be a lift on the "Gun Free Zone" that is in effect. Because to tell you the truth some of the principal's at the schools have no business carrying guns in the view of the students for a number of reasons but the main one is that it is putting the gun in easy reach of the students. There are some students that have mental problems that do not have access to fire arms and giving them to the principal is putting the gun in easy reach of that student. I don't know about every school bu I know that the principals at my son's schools would be easy for him to take down and disarm. This does not help matters. What helps matters is that we don't advertise that there are no gun's any where on the property. That we let the public know or the students know where these guns are. Do we tell the passengers of the plane where the sky marshall is and where his gun is located? There is no need for stricter gun laws because if someone is going to kill people there are a number of different ways to do so. Many of those do not even need a permit. Examples: Bow and arrow, crossbow, knives, some women's purses, pencils, pens, 2x4's and the list goes on and on. There has been violence since the beginning of time and no matter what you do there will always be some. But making things worse or taking guns out of the responsible people's hands is not the answer. Get smart America. God has already been taken away what next?
Christopher Michael
10:42 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
I think every law abiding citizen should be armed to the teeth and school employees should have concealed weapons. These people walking around in public open carrying is IMO stupid. Look! I have a gun is not smart because you are a target for someone up to no good. I understand open carry is a right but God help you if a smart criminal sees it. Look at the crime around GA Tech each victim was unarmed. GFZ's are stupid. Thugs are never going to obey them so why should they be given the right to take an innocent life while we sit in the duck pond? I don't understand these idiots! Arm the teachers, the janitors, the lunch lady's, the principal, the gym teachers, the bus drivers with 10mm or 45s train them to shoot to immediately stop a threat without hesitation. Hire ex military and former special forces to discretely roam the schools armed to the teeth to protect our children because they were once good enough to serve our nation with deadly force quietly and accurately. Our children should be priority number one and they are not by the vast majority this day and age protect them at ALL COSTS.make it clear that if you try to commit crimes in schools you will face deadly force. Try to jump a fence on a military installation or cross a restricted area on base and see what happens so why can't we guard our children that way? Why is it even a question?
Michael Robinson
11:01 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
This discussion on gun regulation at Quora (a good Q&A site) is worth reading: http://www.quora.com/Gun-Control/Is-it-true-that-there-are-some-no-brainer-gun-control-laws-that-should-be-passed
Karsten Torch
5:35 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Eh, this article doesn't really address "no brainer" solutions. Eliminating 'assault' style weapons or high capacity magazines won't make much of a difference, if any. And since the last assault weapons ban went expired, incidents with this type of weapon have steadily declined. So how is limiting those weapons a 'no-brainer?'
This article also completely misses the idea of the 2nd Amendment. It's not for hunting, or even self defense against burglars. It's for self-defense against any threat, including our government. If the government has them, then as far as I'm concerned, so should we. I truly believe this was the Founders' purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
Do I think it will come down to an 'us vs the government' situation? No. Not really. But there is the chance. And we have zero chance if we're hopelessly outgunned....
Justin Rempe
11:05 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
There should be on site armed (and properly trained) security personnel at all Gwinnett County schools. Whether or not it is a police officer or someone who goes through the same firearms training as a police officer is not really a concern of mine. I don't think that it should be the principal as forcing people to do something like that is probably not the solution. Making it a requirement of the job would mean you are suddenly pulling principals from a much smaller pool of highly skilled people.
Are school resource officers actual police officers whom have gone through POST certification?
North Georgia Weather
11:12 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Yes, school resource officers are police officers with additional training.
Justin Rempe
11:32 am on Thursday, January 10, 2013
I suspected as much, but was not sure of the "actual" answer.
Thanks NGW!
Terrie Reuvers
4:54 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
"Hire ex military and former special forces to discretely roam the schools armed to the teeth to protect our children...." Sorry Christopher but I had to laugh. How do they "discreetly" roam the schools while they are "armed to the teeth"? Pretty sure you cannot be discreet if you are that well armed. I honestly am not sure there is a good answer that is 100% failsafe. Bad things can still happen even when you go out of your way to try and avoid them. I believe that it will end up being a combination of idea up to and including letting teachers or school employees arm themselves. But, then you run the risk that somewhere some teacher snaps and kills students. Then what will be your answer??
5:06 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
Terrie think about this......what right now is stopping teachers from snapping?
5:10 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
In fact show me an instance where a license holder has snapped and shot someone. These are responsible people as like teachers they must pass background checks, I know a few of them, and I would suggest that they are some of the most responsible and level headed folks I know.
Christopher Michael
5:04 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
I don't know Terrie other than just let the liberals have their way and make everyone a sitting duck.still laughing?
Maria A.
10:37 pm on Thursday, January 10, 2013
You can easily be "armed to the teeth" and no one will know you are carrying. Happens every day. Shows how little some know about carrying CONCEALED weapons. I am a retired teacher who carried on-campus before the ban. Since I left home early in the morning before daylight / often came home after dark in winter, and since I am a single mother, I felt the need to be able to protect myself and my child--particularly since my house was broken into several times. My weapon stayed in my vehicle, but I was forced to stop carrying on-campus after the ban took effect. I could not afford to lose my job / go to jail. We didn't used to see school shootings--that is, until the liberals got their gun-ban rhetorical claws into everyone. There are a lot of teachers who would carry if given the opportunity. No, students/parents should NOT know where the guns are. Perhaps some students would stop harassing teachers if they didn't know if the teacher was armed or not. Just a thought. Many have no idea what teachers often go through with some students. These are the students who are left in the classroom to disrupt everyone's lives. These are the students who often end up in jails and prisons. These are the students who commit crimes---but we have to keep them in schools, allowing them to disrupt, spread their poisonous verbiage, and verbally harass others. Administrators will tell you it doesn't happen. Not true. Allow educators who want to be armed to do so! Protect our children!
Terrie Reuvers
7:47 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Wow Maria - you kinda scare me! You seriously think that a student would stop harassing a teacher if they were armed? Why? Is the teacher going to shoot the student? Kinda goes with my "teacher snapping" comment above. You are blaming the school shootings on liberals? Not sure how you came to that conclusion. Then you talk about putting fear into a student by a teacher carrying a gun. Then you go on about the disruptive students and the ones that commit crimes and end up in prisons being allowed to stay in schools and spread poison? Sounds to me like there are several students you would have like to have shot! Very scary! Also, I do know something about concealed weapons and my daughter is a teacher. I'm just saying that while having a principal and some teachers armed, if they wish, I just don't think it will solve the whole problem. And Christopher, this is not a Liberal or a Conservative problem. This is a problem for everyone in this country! And please do not turn my words around about laughing about how someone "armed to the teeth" is not very discreet.
Good Grief Y'all
11:02 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
I agree, Terrie. Thanks for posting. This discussion shouldn't be so partisan. The mass killing of innocents is an unacceptable horror and burden we all bear if we don't work together to create solutions to lessen, if not stop them. All good minds need to come together.
tank rollins
7:53 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
sure is funny (peculiar) when i was in school we didnt have these problems...why is that???
jim armstrong
9:01 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
Why not start with the building itself and build on that?
1. One way in to a school. Exits should not have windows in them. They should be easy to open from the inside only, alarms and flashing lights when an attempt to open them from the inside or outside (a extremely loud alarm and flashing light when the door is opened, say for a fire evacuation is an inconvience, not a threat to life.
Entrance to the building be limited to 1 and only 1 place, the front. Entrances for services, cafeteria, and untilities, etc must be kept closed unless actually in use and with alarms.
the public has to care enough to at least check on the schools that their children attend. Run some simple tests, with the premise: IF YOU WANTED TO ENTER ANY BUILDING, COULD YOU WITHOUT RAISING AN ALARM? Remember the people who perpetrate the horrible school, theatre, and othr places, plan them, and practice them. The firearms are just tools they use to do what they want once they get in. And even with the passage of a law that bans any type of firearm, they will get them. Hell, our glorious justice dept sold guns to drug cartels in some sort of 'sting' operation that resulted in the murder of one of its own agents. I wonder when some of those firearms will show up in some mass killings somewhere.
If our country's law enforcement agencies cannot enforce the firearms laws as they stand, how in the h*** can they enforce laws that are supposedly stricter? sheesh
Terrie Reuvers
3:17 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Very well said Jim! We do need to start with the building itself. More violence is not going to work in and of itself. We may get where it is necessary for teachers or principals to have to carry a weapon, but I would really hope that we have not come to that. The shooter in CT broke a window to get in because the doors were locked. What if there were none of those long windows next to the door? That might have been enough of a deterent. Who knows?
Karsten Torch
5:24 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Here's my only problem with that - if you only have one way in, and nobody in the school is armed, then...what? The person with the only guns in the building will turn around because he has to come in one specific door? Do you really think that will happen? Again, there's nobody to stop him, at that door or anywhere else.
r patton
11:24 am on Friday, January 11, 2013
One problem, if only principals carry the gun(s) and the attacker knows this he/she is the first one they go after. Why not have several people "assigned" randomly to be the "Guardian"?
North Georgia Weather
4:10 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Here's another problem. We have two buildings at our school, the kids have to be able to walk back and forth between the buildings. You can't lock the doors. Unless you give each kid a swipe card (right...) there is no practical way to secure the doors. Sorry, but you can't turn a school into a prison, it's just not practical. I still say the "Guardian" idea is the best deterrent.
I'm ready...
Justin Rempe
4:14 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
Do Gwinnett County School Resource officers carry firearms while they are on school grounds, or do they only carry them when reacting to a threat/problem?
North Georgia Weather
5:34 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
It's "Guardian(s)", emphasis on plural. There has to be more than one.
10:12 pm on Friday, January 11, 2013
This is a really bad idea which is highly unlikely to ever to see the light of day.
1:59 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Yeah, my suggestion would be to dial it way back. Adding more guns to the mix in the hands of barely trained people sounds like a sure recipe for disaster.
Karsten Torch
5:25 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
So...by dialing it way back, what, make guns REALLY illegal to carry into a school?
Shane Reynolds
9:46 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
I agree that the whole "gun-free zone" idea was faulty from the start (like the old "show him your badge" joke), but I also cannot see a carte blanche approval for teachers with CWP's to carry. To be frank, when you watch the news and see some of the teachers around the country on strike or at some fruity conference wasting tax-payer money on something that has nothing to do with education, do you want that person carrying? How about the teacher who trampled the flag in SC? Or the teachers who berated students and punished them for saying they would not vote for Obama? I'm not trying to make a political point, just that teachers are human, too, and can lose their tempers and make bone-headed mistakes. My personal thought is that a law should be crafted giving principals the right to carry (when they have a proper permit) and to delegate the duty within the school. We don't necessarily need all or most of the teachers to carry, just for their to be the threat of it; this should serve as a deterrent. We would also have to pass a law forbidding lawsuits against the school system and employees for good-faith efforts at trying to defend the school; if not, anytime something happened, there would be suits for "you should have waited" or "you should have shot earlier."
North Georgia Weather
9:50 am on Saturday, January 12, 2013
.Everyone that becomes a Guardian, is thoroughly checked out, and goes through a week of additional training, over and above the CCP training. You don't just tell teachers to start bringing their guns. Having trained, autonomous staff members with weapons is the greatest deterrent to this threat of all.
And Shane... there are idiots in every profession.
Shane Reynolds
9:35 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
That's my point, NGW. All I'm saying is we don't just want to have a law passed on Friday, and on Monday all teachers with a CWP show up with their guns. We need to think this through and make sure we have the right people and the right training for them.
Racer X
9:47 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Shane- You and NGW are quite right in your thinking. Question- Would it be a matter of a law being passed, or one removed? I like the idea of just removing the law that doesn't allow educators to arm themselves. Passing a new law is not necessarily a good idea.
"Laws are like lies, once one is made, it must be followed by countless others."
- H.C. Horsman
K Wade
12:43 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
If you want to carry a gun, then carry a gun. There is no reason that anyone else should ever know that you're carrying it. If the occasion arises in which the gun has to be used to protect yourself or others, the fact that you didn't have a "permit" won't be of great concern.
Karsten Torch
5:36 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Not true. I'd hate to see the teacher that saves a bunch of kids that had to use an 'illegal' firearm to do so. They'd wind up UNDER the jail...
Tammy Osier
2:35 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
Here's a story of gun control political correctness on steroids - I just heard about a Denny's that asked armed cops to leave because their firearms were causing customers to be uneasy. Sooooo...if the cops had refused to leave, Denny's would have had to call.....the cops. lol
Racer X
6:11 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
The broad masses of a population are more amenable to the appeal of rhetoric than to any other force. – Adolf Hitler
Racer X
6:34 pm on Saturday, January 12, 2013
You folks kill me. When the government has it's boot on your throat, it does not matter if it is the left or the right.
When you start pointing fingers at each other you are being distracted from the real issues, which benefits no one, but the government.
Is arming principals the answer to ending school violence?
The short answer is no. Making parents more responsible for the actions of their children would help. Recognizing and acting on signs of mental illness would help.
Should a principal be allowed to arm himself? Yes. If a principal cannot be trusted with a gun, he/she should not be trusted with our children at all.
To carry a gun, one must have resolve to use it, without hesitation. Those who cannot have this resolve should not carry, and there is nothing wrong with not carrying, it's not for everyone.
Karsten Torch
5:46 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Racer, bravo. Great points. I especially like "If a principal cannot be trusted with a gun, he/she should not be trusted with our children at all." This does kind of say it all, doesn't it?
Arming people isn't the answer. Allowing them to be armed is. If we allow concealed carry into our schools, whether anybody is carrying or not, it will be a great deterrent. The point is, nobody will know. If there is one designated person to carry, that one person will be the primary target for one of the psychos. I do agree with the concept of additional training for teachers wanting to carry, but more from a legal training standpoint. Most people that carry spend time at the range. If not, then truthfully they have no business carrying. IMO. But they need to know when it's OK to use the gun, or brandish the gun, and when it is not. If you get a parent come in being rowdy and loud, can you use the threat of force to remove him? What if that parent is making terroristic threats?
Keep in mind, that it's not the people legally carrying that you have to worry about. Legal permit holders are not carrying into schools or government building now. It's the ones that really shouldn't be that concern me. And when you mix the fact that only the 'bad' guys are carrying somewhere that the people not legally allowed to aren't, then what do you get?
Racer X
7:47 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
Thanks Karsten- As far as using a gun vs brandishing a gun, I have always believed they should be the same thing. I pretty much feel that the only way anyone should know you have a gun is because you are firing at them. Pulling a gun and threatening to shoot shows a lack of resolve, which is how you get dead.
If a parent is rowdy or makes terroristic threats, somebody needs to be dialing 911 and summoning the police to handle him/her. If the ass-wipe makes good on his threats by pulling a weapon, then he should be blown away, without hesitation, by someone who he had no idea was even armed.
If an educator carried properly, with any luck, they could teach 30 years with no one ever knowing they were armed.
By they way, have you checked out the new Walther PPQ? Probably one of the best PC (Personal Carry) weapons available today.
Paul L. Dragu
8:44 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
For everyone who has been brainwashed of common sense, allow me to remind you how the physics of bullets work; Just as a bullet from a lunatic can stop the heartbeat of a human being, so can the bullet aimed and directed at the lunatic. Bullets are not prejudiced; they will hurt whoever you point them at. So, what is so ridiculous about using bullets to stop a lunatic who aims to stop the heartbeats of people?
jim armstrong
9:11 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
1. Make the actual school building a limited access building
ALL emergency exit doors should be easy to exit from and impossible to enter. (NO windows, and alarm that is god awful alarm) The report was that the fellow in CT broke into a door and gained access.
2. Have armed security at the entrance (front for visitors etc) and rear (for students, staff, etc).
3. Exterior windows in classrooms, elevated. Restrooms have elevated windows at least 6 feet and like the emergency doors, have god awful alarms and flashing lights to identify what location has been opened/breached when opened from inside but impossible to enter them from the outside.
NOW talk about the rest of how to change the culture to lessen the slaughters.
Karsten Torch
9:20 pm on Monday, January 14, 2013
So your idea is to rebuild all school buildings, install alarm systems, have two armed personnel at all entrances, anything else? I'm sorry to sound so crass, but how much money do we think that will cost? Even just overhauling existing school buildings along with the other stuff will cost trillions. Sorry, but even though those are all great ideas, they're just not feasible.
Good Grief Y'all
7:46 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
The NRA and gun manufacturers should and could fund that expense, especially if they continue to be obstacles to some of the solutions. The majority of gun owners want better and more background checks, better firearm legislation and enforcement. It's in their best interests.
I'm with Jim - modify and secure all the school buildings, have police officers (trained people whose job it is to know how to protect the public without endangering the public) stationed at the inside perimeter accesses. We guard our money, our celebrities, our politicians, but not our most precious treasures - innocent human beings. We spend billions everyday on foreign soil. That money should be spent on American soil.
Those solutions would be money well spent, from public safety to putting people back to work. I'm conflicted about allowing the faculty and support staff to carry (definitely should not be limited to a known-to-be designated person). There are too many risks, and there should be beyond-normal care in determining who is allowed and qualified. Our educators should not have to be our school police. They have enough responsibility as it is.
Here's a scary bit of info on the infamous AR-15:
Racer X
8:36 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
GGY- The NRA and gun manufacturers cannot and should not fund that expense. It would literally cost billions of dollars. However, I do hope that some of these ideas are incorporated in future school construction.
No, in fact, most gun owners do not want any new legislation, enforcement or any other restraints put on gun ownership as it is not in our best interests by any stretch of the imagination.
I will agree that having a police officer handy might be a good idea, but not so many that the kids feel imprisoned. We should not live in fear. What kind of freedom would that be? School security should be handled at local levels with NO federal involvement as each community has different needs and the Feds just screw everything up that they touch anyway, at 10X the price.
As far as hiring security as a way to put people back to work, no way. I don't want some out of work flunky guarding my kids. You will find that all the really good cops are employed already or available through police training academies, no rent-a-cops for my kids.
How about addressing mental health issues better? How about increasing the accountability of crappy parents?
We cannot and should not look to the government to solve all our problems. We should look at ourselves.
Karsten Torch
9:09 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Yeah, that slide fire is pretty cool.
And again, if the government has automatic weapons, the public should be able to. But that's another discussion for another time....
So, you want to force companies to pay money for things not related to their day to day operations? How very socialist of you.
And how are they obstacles to some of the solutions? Obviously we have very different ideas of what the solutions are....
Good Grief Y'all
5:16 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Racer, they could and should. You're wrong about majority of gun owners. That may be the consensus on the Loganville-Grayson Patch threads. http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/14/16510092-poll-majorities-favor-assault-weapons-ban-background-checks?lite The NRA gun lobby promotes anyone buying whatever type of gun and ammo they want.
There are lots of law enforcement people out of work. Did I say rent-a-cop? If school security is beefed up to include more SROs, they should all be well-trained, screened and qualified. We're already living in fear and the gun proponents are largely the reason. It's better to live in fear and have more LE in our schools and public places than go there and not live at all anymore. I don't like that at all, but some unpalatable measures are going to be necessary.
I have said over and over in my comments that mental health issues are at the forefront of the problem. You just haven't paid attention to what I have said as you have been too busy sharpening your personal attacks on me with your friend. I really hope that nonsense is over.
Not everyone has wonderful, loving, intelligent, upstanding citizen parents. That's not going to magically and quickly happen. Lots of kids have the worst or none at all.
I'm not looking to the govt. to solve all problems and neither are most people. Tax money is being collected and should be used for the benefit of the people.
Good Grief Y'all
5:34 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Yes, Karsten, I want the people who said we should put more armed people in our schools to pay for it. That's not socialist, that's justice.
No, private citizens do not need automatic weapons and buttloads of ammo, any more than they need tanks, nuclear weapons, hand grenades, bombers and drones. Those are military weapons. For the m i l i t a r y.
You know full well how the NRA has obstructed and distracted on the problems and the solutions. The gun manufacturers use the NRA to get whatever they want in DC, throwing mega money to do it. They try to blame everything else but the killing machine industry.
Racer X
5:50 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
GGY- You are wrong. You said "The majority of gun owners want better and more background checks, better firearm legislation and enforcement". The link you provided to support this statement concerns a survey made of the general public, NOT gun owners, PLUS....it is from NBC News, another puppet of the administration.
Please provide a link to make your point that there are a lot of police officers out of work..
Tax money is indeed being collected, but it should be used to pay off our debt and not for more costly, ineffective, federal. "programs".
The US is broke, we have no money, we are borrowing it from the Chinese. If you owed a credit card $50,000, do you think the solution would be raising the credit limit? Of course not. The solution would be to stop spending and tighten your belt. That, my friend, is what our government needs to do, right now.
Guns are being used to distract us from our nations real issues. Guns are not the problem, the government is the problem. By letting them divide us and argue about things like this, we are being distracted from what they are really doing.
Our country is more divided now than ever and that's they way they want it.
Good Grief Y'all
6:40 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
True of that link. But, there is evidence of what gun owners support. I read that only 6% of gun owners are members of NRA, so that's really no surprise. I know - you want that link, too. I'll have to do more digging to find it, but it was a recent report. However, I would be wasting my time as you wouldn't believe it anyway. NBC is a corporation owned by who? - Republicans, mostly, and run by their money, just as Fox is owned and run by right-wing money. Have you ever listened to Tom Brokaw-definitely Republican? That doesn't mean the research or reporters are flawed. It's just an easy comeback for you.
Except for FBI, CIA, SS, police officers are local, not federal. Tax money can't all go to paying down the debt. Using some of that DoD money and NRA money wouldn't hurt the budget or the deficit. State and local budgets all over the country have been cut, and LE, teachers, first responders have been scaled back. Where have you been that you didn't know this? A large percentage of the unemployed are public worker layoffs.
Austerity measures aren't going to help the economy, which is improving. A balance of increased revenue and intelligent spending cuts will do that and reduce the debt.
The debt ceiling is to cover the existing bills already approved by Congress - House of Representatives. All spending bills originate in the House. The debt is about what has been spent and the interest on it, from mostly the last 12 years. Wars cost a chunk of change.
John B
8:09 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
The cost of all of those renovations would be exorbitant. If those funds were available they should be spent on the education systems as school budgets continue to cut get to the bare bone. We can't psycho proof the world including the young and innocent. Training school personnel to handle firearms is the expeditious and most cost effective measure at this point. The root cause is not guns, it's people with wiring so crossed they can take lives without conscience. Mental illness needs to be addressed.
Racer X
8:19 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
GGY- Still waiting for that link about all the "out of work" police officers.
9:25 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
GGY- while you're looking for that link for Racer X, do some research on the cost of the wars...the total for 11 years in Afghanistan and 9 years in Iraq is approximately $1.4 trillion dollars ($800 billion for Iraq, $600 billion for Afghanistan)...thats about equal to one years worth of Obama deficits, and he's done that for each of the last four years...
Good Grief Y'all
7:45 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
@Racer - impatient aren't we? I didn't set a timetable for this, but here you go:
** Data are based on information and survey results from: the National Association of Counties; International Association of Chiefs of Police; Major Cities Chiefs Association; Police Executive Research Forum; The National League of Cities; the Fraternal Order of Police; Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics and application data from the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services. For a copy of the full report entitled the Impact of the Economic Downturn on American Police Agencies, please call 800.421.6770, or visit the COPS Office website at www.cops.usdoj.gov.
I know this won't satisfy you. There are more references.
Good Grief Y'all
8:41 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Jimmy, you mean those wars that were started under Bush/Cheney? The one's Congress agreed to pay for on the credit card? The debt which continues to accumulate interest on its principal? Those wars? Do you think the President is not supposed to pay the nation's bills that preceded him? Do you think he had a normal economy to deal with right out of the gate? Between 700k and 800k jobs being lost right before he took office and had to implement policy to stop the backward slide into a Depression? The stimulus bills that Congress approved to keep that from happening? Your boat don't float.
1:07 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Yes, GGY, those would be the wars I was referring to...if my boat isnt floating, its because its been overloaded by the weight of $6 trillion worth of deficit spending during just four years of Obama. Instead you complain about $1.4 trillion spent over 11 years...
Good Grief Y'all
2:29 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I'm complaining about more than the $$, Jimmy. I'm complaining about the rebuilding of Iraq, too. But, mostly, I'm complaining about the human damages - maimed and crippled returning soldiers, innocent civilians killed in a foreign land (lots of children), and the blood of our people who came home in caskets, spilled on that far away land.
Racer X
8:38 am on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
AR15's are not the problem. People are the problem.
Good Grief Y'all
5:36 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
You're partially right, Racer. AR-15s and that type of firearm/ammo and people are the problem, or at the root of it.
Karsten Torch
6:08 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
AR15s are in no way the problem. I've never seen an AR15 jump off a shelf and plug somebody in the ass. And again, your argument about the military having these weapons and that being their design is falling on deaf ears, because that's not the purpose of 2nd Amendment.
And because the NRA said that we should put armed guards in the schools, you want to make them pay for it? Where did the gun manufacturers enter that picture? You can't just make a company or somebody pay for a government project because you want to. Doesn't work that way. This would be another government fiasco. In a realm that they're not supposed to be involved in anyway. (Public education - not in the bailiwyck of the federal government. Kind of unconstitutional. But, that's never stopped the federal government before)
All this would be easier solved if we allowed people to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights and carry weapons. Problem solved....
Good Grief Y'all
6:49 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I don't expect to convince you of anything Karsten, and I'm not trying to. You're the one asking me and I'm giving my opinion. Which you automatically, knee-jerk, shoot down (pun intended). You and Racer are actually supporting my view. You say it's not the guns - it's the people. Exactly! Separate the military-style assault weapons and ammo from the PEOPLE! That's a huge part of the solution that's being considered. Yes! I want the NRA to pay for armed guards in the schools if we go to that. They want to hang onto those bad weapons, they should feel the pain (pun intended). We do allow people to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights and carry - it is largely the problem, as they can get hands on whatever they want.
Without the public education system, the USA would be a third-world country.
Good Grief Y'all
7:21 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Did anyone else see (Ret.) General Colin Powell's "Meet the Press" appearance? You should look it up on the 'net. Very interesting interview. Or the statement made by (Ret.) Gen. Stanley McChrystal? Both Republicans. They don't agree with you guys. I would say their bios speak for themselves. They definitely know about firearms, don't you think? Oh, and David Gregory? Definitely a Republican NBC commentator and political pundit. Can't stand the guy, but I watch the show, or record it usually, for the guests and the round table discussion. Gotcha Gregory couldn't handle Gen. Powell.
John B
7:59 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
You mean Powell the Republican that endorsed Obama? Not a good example and I have much respect for Powell.
Good Grief Y'all
7:48 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Colin Powell is a very smart man. He voted for the best man for POTUS. Who can blame him after Bush/Cheney lied us into an Iraqi war and invasion and used him to do it. Very smart man. No crazy stuff with him. And yet, he's still a Republican. You all should be proud of that.
Good Grief Y'all
8:32 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Is (Ret.) Gen. Stanley McChrystal a flawed example, too? You know, he's the man whose men disrespected their Commander in Chief.
There will be other prominent leaders joining in on this issue with these experts on military weaponry and firearms in general. Throw up all the objections and brick walls you can, but pardon me if I choose to believe them over some local gun owners.
Racer X
7:59 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I think if you look at the real statistics regarding shooting deaths you will find that very few shooting deaths last year had anything to do with an AR-15, especially when compared to, say, stabbings. In the US last year 348 deaths were attributed to assault rifles which is a GREAT record when you understand also that there are between 10 and 30 MILLION assault rifles privately owned today. Of these "assault" rifles, roughly 1/3 are AR-15s, meaning that about 115 deaths last year could be attributed to the AR-15.
115 deaths, and we are letting this topic distract us from the complete take over of our lives by the Federal government. Silly people.
5 children are killed in the USA EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY by people using their bare hands! A little simple math, 5X365= 1,825 children! AR-15s killed less than 30 children last year and that is an unusually high number due to two CRAZY White guys. If you take the crazy guys out of the equation, it is likely that less than 5 children were killed by AR-15s last year, perhaps NONE.
Jesus Christ! When will you people start FOCUSING on the right things? When are you going to stop letting the media dictate your emotions? You're like a bunch of TV hypnotized, over-fed, peanut butter for brains sheep. It's sickening, really.
John B
8:15 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
X- it's akin to a plane crash that takes out sometimes hundreds of people in one incident. It gets a lot of attention because the devastation is so isolated and many are affected. I have a feeling this too will pass with very little change. What happened was tragic no doubt but to your point we need to exercise some common sense and logic without the emotion. Unfortunately the white house is running on emotion right now. There are more important issues to address like the debt ceiling and cavalier spending that continues to tank our economy.
Good Grief Y'all
7:50 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Talk and type until you're blue in the face and fingers are numb. This is about the firearms capable of sending 150 bullets at 6 yr olds in a matter of a few minutes.
Racer X
8:04 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
GGY- "Slides" is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates debate or examination of the topic at hand. You are a perfect example of what happens to people who live in front of the box, you are programmed.
Good Grief Y'all
8:35 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
There you go again with your attacks, Racer, simply because I disagree with you. This one's mild, but I'm not holding my breath that won't change, and soon.
It is you and your gun culture that has been programmed.
Racer X
8:44 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
GGY- Think what you want, you won't find me sitting in front of the Programming.
I have said what I can. Have a good day.
Tammy Osier
8:06 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
Bush picked Colin Powell for his military expertise and experience. It has been well known for a long time that colin powell is more liberal than republican. He's only a republican fiscally (if that now, if hisendorsements are an indication). Everything else is liberal to the bone.
On the other...I heard something today that was eye-opening. Limiting the amount of magazines or ammunition is a baaaad idea. Even cops and military people only hit their target a minimal amout of times. Real life isn't like tv. Many times, a perp is high on drugs and can take a butt load of shots before they stop advancing. You run into a prickly pear when a person was killed because trying to obey the law, was one shot too short and got killed for it. can you imagine the lawsuits and revolt?
Racer X
8:08 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
As usual, you are right. High capacity magazines keep a homeowner from running out of ammo before he/she runs out of bad guys. Limiting magazines would be a victory for the bad guys, but then again, look who is considering it, Congress, no wonder.
Tammy Osier
10:25 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
I don't see metal detectors as a "police state". Alternative schools have them and when I worked there, our kids said that it made them feel safer (they know that no one could hurt them at school). that was middle and high school where a student might very well be bringing something in. But in Elementary, it could basically be for adults coming in. Anything metal would set it off. At least if there was someone crazy trying to come in, there would be a heads up.
Tammy Osier
10:30 pm on Tuesday, January 15, 2013
GGY- something interesting since you mentioned the mental health issue...today I was listening as a woman called into a radio show and said that years ago, she was in need of some antidepressants and the Dr. prescribed zoloft. She said that she became paranoid, suicidal and was so suicidal that she tried to break into her boyfriends gun safe. There are some stats showing that almost all of these crazed people were heavily medicated (and notice how young they are). Might be something to that. Need a lot of study going into that.
Good Grief Y'all
7:01 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Congress doesn't want to spend the money on mental health, or any other health, except their own.
Racer X
8:00 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
GGY- Now you are getting on the right track, stay on that one.
Racer X
8:16 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Tammy- I believe that many teens are prescribed drugs to compensate for poor raising. Instead of being given an equal mix of discipline and love when they were toddlers, they are given drugs when they mature.
I believe it is a darn shame that you don't need any kind of training or license to do the MOST important job in the world, being a parent. I cannot understand that just because some sperm donor and his playground pump out a child that they automatically think they now suddenly have any idea what they are doing.
If ANYTHING needs regulation, it should be who is allowed to procreate.
Good Grief Y'all
8:45 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Tammy, I have been mentioning the mental health aspect of these atrocities - from day one. Yet everyone who wants to debate (attack) me on my opinion that there is a multi-faceted problem needing a multi-faceted approach ignores that. I am one of the few who has repeatedly included the mental health problem that is mostly ignored in this country because it costs too much to fix or even try to.
Good Grief Y'all
8:47 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
But, we cannot use the mental health issue as a distraction and scapegoat for all the other issues on gun violence that need solutions.
Good Grief Y'all
8:49 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Racer, I have been on the right track from the start. You do know that the Republican-controlled House of Representatives is in charge of originating spending bills and holds the country's checkbook, don't you? Start there with your complaining. You won't get very far, but never hurts to try.
Good Grief Y'all
9:09 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Oh, and Racer - you pound your chest about 2nd Amendment rights, but want to take away the most basic of God-given human rights - procreation? I thought you were all for freedom. No human being was ever born who came with an instructional guide, and yet, most human beings are inherently decent. The only perfect one was Jesus Christ. What side of this issue would He be on do you think?
Good Grief Y'all
8:58 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Guns are not sacred, People! Little innocent 6-year olds sitting in their first grade class, eager to learn, pure as the driven snow, happily looking forward to recess (P.E. or whatever they call it these days), making new friends, happy and excited, looking forward to going back to a loving home (at least some of them) - they are sacred. So are the people who help shape their minds with education and are dedicated to their well being and success.
One of those 6 yrs olds received 11 bullets in his/her little body. Does that not make you sick? If it doesn't, picture that child as one of your own at your child's or grandchild's, niece's, nephew's, friends' school.
Now tell me emotion doesn't matter in this debate. If it weren't for genuine, justified emotion, a whole hell of a lot wouldn't get done to fix things in this country. If emotion drives this discussion, culminating in sensible solutions - AMEN - let's get it done.
I won't apologize for my emotion. I have earned it and it is justified and true.
I have a 6 year old grandson.
Racer X
11:01 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
All of Congress is the problem, along with the rest of the government, but slides will not allow you to ever see that.
It's not going to get done as we will not allow it. You are barking up the wrong tree. You may as well work on one of the problems that we agree on so we can work together, like mental health. You are wasting your breath on this issue. Please, turn off your TV.
Good Grief Y'all
11:53 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Thought you were done, Racer. I'll do, write, think and say what I want - not what you want. You and others on here don't want another side to be presented, that's obvious. I don't play to you and you alone, Racer, or really anyone. I follow my conscience and my heart. What does TV have to do with this besides being another source of information? I think you should just change the channel and also get off all those right wing blogs where you must get your stuff, along with the gun trade rags. You're wrong - not all of Congress controls the $$. The House holds hostage any good legislation because it can. Of course, it would help if the Senate would reform its procedure rules and they quit overusing the filibuster. The do- nothing-goods.
Good Grief Y'all
12:05 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I have a question for you Racer? Are you capable of writing anything in reply to me that isn't judgmental, bossy or eventually, in violation of Patch rules?
So, you and "we" won't allow it? That attitude is a losing one, and it's the very reason the population is so polarized. You don't get to choose what the nation will do about this. You can make a lot of noise, true, and so can the reasonable side.
John B
12:06 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I think we're getting close to the part where GGY has a temper tantrum and screams PATCH...please help me....good grief.
Good Grief Y'all
12:38 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
And there he is, too. I knew he couldn't control his bad behavior for long.
11:40 am on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Drink up GGY... your community organizer is counting on you.
Good Grief Y'all
12:04 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
The President has quite a respectable resume beyond his work in helping the people of Chicago who had little-to-no voice. How about you?
That was a rhetorical question. I'm not interested in you. Your comments are irrelevant and outdated. How old are you, 80? (another rhetorical question)
Karsten Torch
1:16 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Oh yeah, very impressive. While in Congress for a couple of years, managed to vote 'present' more than anybody else. Never held a real job. But other than those things, yeah, very respectable. (Yes, that was sarcasm)
Good Grief Y'all
2:17 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
You need to do more research, Karsten. He was a professor and a lawyer, then in the Illinois state senate, and now he's our twice-elected President. All paying positions.
Good Grief Y'all
12:05 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Excuse me, have to go now and hear Vice President Biden speaking on gun control initiatives.
Racer X
12:57 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
John B- i believe you are right, again. I can feel her hot flash all the way out here in Oconee County.
Racer X
1:23 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
GGY- Level with me, are you GD (Georgia Democrat) reincarnate? There can't be two of you.
Karsten Torch
1:34 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
I don't think so. I made her cry and leave. GGY is much more grounded and intelligent....
Good Grief Y'all
2:24 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Are you confessing to something, Karsten? Please, fill me in. Sounds juicy.
Karsten Torch
3:10 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Yeah, I'm just way too nice to be bad...
Nothing, really. She was just a bit spacy, and it was time for her to go back to whatever it was she did before coming here. I like people with varying opinions, as is obvious or I would spend more time on places like the Fox News website or go find like-minded groups on Facebook, but that would be boring. But what I don't like is people that are just silly, and unable to back up anything they say, ever. She drove me nuts....
Good Grief Y'all
4:42 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
She must have gotten under your skin. Sounds like a savvy person to me if she could do that to the opposition. Maybe you only thought she couldn't back up her opinions, like you think I can't or you won't admit to. But, really, Karsten, that's only because you disagree, not because of a lack of facts. Bet it was the same with her.
I don't like everyone else's style myself, but they have the right to comment, state their opinions and not be attacked for them.
If she was harassed as much as I am, I can understand why she left. She probably found a place where there was more maturity than is found on Patch, especially the Loganville-Grayson edition. L-G has quite the reputation for vicious posters. Or, obviously, a Democrat, so maybe her mission was accomplished. Her guy did win. Mine, too.
So, what did you do to make her "cry"?
John B
5:32 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
She thought her identity was compromised and tragically left us without notice. For your edification she was a real tool! She was condescending, self absorbed, pompous, snarky, and had a copyright on being right. When someone disagreed with her far left views she would have frequent meltdowns and scream for the PATCH to intervene. ;D
Racer X
5:47 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
John B.- Hmmmmmmm......frighteningly similar. Also, she hated to referred to by her initials.
Good Grief Y'all
6:24 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Aha . . . she did get to you boys! Kudos to her! Sounds like she was shamelessly bullied. Proud of yourselves? Most macho men (wannabes) don't like or know how to deal with an intelligent woman, knowledgeable on the political front, who will stand up to them. My guess is she realized how badly she was wasting her time.
Good Grief Y'all
6:29 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Racer, I don't mind initials. I do mind personal attacks, bad language and dirty talk.
This is a public forum and folks should be respectful of each other, and mindful that if they wouldn't want their mama or children to read it, they shouldn't write it.
Good Grief Y'all
6:33 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Haha! So, John B., in other words she was a smart lady. You couldn't rattle her except by bullying, could you? Now I get it. Thanks for the "edification".
Karsten Torch
1:27 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
GGY, here's the problem I see. Your ideas seem to be either unrealistic, unconstitutional, or haven't proven to have worked in the past. You want to have a company or an organization pay for something. I would assume we'll force them to pay a the barrel of the guns you hate so much. Even though what they're doing is perfectly legal. Guess what? Can't do that. They pay taxes as necessary, it's not up to the government to just arbitrarily charge companies money for something they want to do.
You also want to ban guns that we are, by the Constitution and the intent of the Founding Fathers, intended to have. Whether you like it or not, or agree with the premise or not, the Second Amendment does not exist for hunting purposes. The Founders never believed that purpose would be in peril. It is for our own protection. From invaders or our own government. Either one.
We've also done bans in the past. The last assault weapons ban didn't work. Columbine was during that ban. And since the ban was lifted, crimes with these type weapons have declined every year. Gun bans have not helped law abiding citizens anywhere. People live in fear after these laws are passed. But, at least we can work off of feelings and feel better when all is done. Even if it doesn't do any good.
Good Grief Y'all
2:22 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
Oh, Karsten, you often take me too literally. I know the NRA would never pay for or be made to pay for anything except lobbying and campaign contributions. But it is a lovely idea :D
Those guns weren't around during the time of our FFs. They couldn't have conceived of the damage caused by their illicit use. I believe if that were the case, the 2nd would have been quite clear about "arms".
The last assault weapons ban had a big fat gaping hole, allowing sales to take place at gun shows without background checks.
Tammy Osier
10:17 pm on Wednesday, January 16, 2013
GGy - here's another opinion (of which I agree with) on the gun culture. It's a great article by Larry Elder. The solutions are never one sided. We need to address mental illness but also the culture that breeds the need to solve problems with violence. I've worked with state funded programs that address discipline, tutoring and mentoring for young kids without fathers. But monies get allocated elsewhere. Priorities in government are messed up. they say they want to help people but then spend money on stuff that is insignificant and extravagant. Here it is:
Good Grief Y'all
7:26 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Thanks, Tammy. It's not a simple problem that has to be tackled. My opinion is that most of the crime is drug related, which leads to desperation, greed and violence. It will take generations to fix this and any of our cultural issues, if ever, but much of the noise comes from the group defending the gun culture. They must realize it is in their best interest to join in to help, not hinder. I know I would have a lot more respect and find it easier to listen to the hardcore viewpoint many of them hold if only they would acknowledge that. I can't be the only one who believes this.
Racer X
7:52 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
GD- Supporting our constitutional rights should never be looked at as "hardcore". The only people any gun legislation is going to affect are law-abiding citizens. Laws do not protect people from those who disregard them. Removing semi-automatic rifles and limiting handgun magazine size will only shift power to criminal elements.
This distraction from reality needs to be dropped and issues like the ones outlined in Tammy's above link need to be focused on.
Good Grief Y'all
9:04 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Street thugs aren't the evil deranged killers shooting little kids en masse. They mostly kill each other. Bad, but not the worst of gun violence crimes. And, anyway, aren't you all for that, Racer? Based on your post on another thread, I think so.
John B
9:14 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Uh....what? Street thugs aren't evil deranged killers? They act indiscriminately without conscience taking out innocents of all ages. How many times have you heard of a child killed in the cross fire of street thugs? Add it up and it far surpasses the isolated "en masse" shootings.
Good Grief Y'all
9:34 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
You have a severe reading disability, John. Re-read, please the entire sentence before you comment. See that word "en masse" - as in the school shootings, mall shootings, theatre shootings, etc. None of those horrors were committed by a street thug. I did not say that street thugs aren't evil deranged killers. Try again, or don't.
Good Grief Y'all
9:38 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
And did you just accidentally make the case for more handgun control? Yes, I do believe so. :)
John B
9:44 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
uh...you have a comprehension problem but I'll attribute that to you being old...
Karsten Torch
9:52 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
No, I got from his comment the need for more privately armed citizens. Again, these thugs are going to have the guns anyway. Don't see them turning in their guns just because their President told them to.
But maybe I'm wrong....
Good Grief Y'all
10:27 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Actually, I'm not old, but you have an old white guy's world view, John. Age doesn't matter.
Good Grief Y'all
10:30 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
You just don't include the gun issue in the solutions and that won't work. It's all in, no exclusions for the solutions. And yes, you are wrong. :)
Racer X
7:37 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
GGY- You're right, it's not street thugs, it's Democrats:
Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim
Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered
Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~
Registered Democrat
Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama
campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal
Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians.
What do you say to that Bessie.
Good Grief Y'all
7:53 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Don't know about Bessie, but I say you're hardcore mentally challenged and uneducable :D
Isn't it past your bedtime?
Racer X
8:13 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
GGY- Time for bed? Is that an invitation? Please, I just ate :-)
Good Grief Y'all
7:20 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
Racer, get some psychiatric help. You're a real sicko.
I'm serious. You have a problem with the female gender. I bet I'm not the only person who has diagnosed you.
Racer X
7:50 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
Actually, I greatly respect the majority of women I meet. It's just you whom I disrespect.
Good Grief Y'all
9:31 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
Racer, a man with integrity and honor respects others, women, too. You don't. You single me out because I have a world view you disagree with and I won't cower at your insults. That's not at all manly. You must feel threatened by me. You shouldn't. While I don't agree with and often cringe at the things you write, I respect your right to say them. Unfortunately, I don't get to enjoy that on Patch without someone following me around from thread to thread to pounce with venom. Based on what I have read, you only respect other women who agree with you. I'm not the only one you disagree with, but the only one you and your friends stalk/haunt/harass/pester. That shows what you all are about and discredits anything you say.
Karsten Torch
9:39 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
"Street thugs aren't the evil deranged killers..." There was a qualifier on that sentence, but this is exactly what you said. I'd say John B read pretty well. I'd also say you didn't reread what you wrote.
Good Grief Y'all
10:26 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
You, too, Karsten? Give me a break. Yes, it is what I said and it was mangled for the purpose of stating his "agenda" - a favorite word of yours that you both will recognize and understand. More twisters than tornado alley, you two. It is critical for logical thinking and response to read EACH WORD IN CONTEXT. "Street thugs aren't the evil deranged killers shooting little kids en masse." Let me translate:
street thugs aren't THE (SAME) evil deranged killers shooting little kids en masse (schools, malls, theatres, etc.)
Ah, but I fully realize it is futile to communicate with you two. That doesn't mean other intelligent and reasonable people don't get it.
Karsten Torch
10:04 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
And those folks with the 'hardcore' viewpoint have never said we don't need to address other issues. What has been said is that we don't need to give up our guns. Any of them. Beyond this, we're amenable to taking action. In fact, I personally believe there's many actions we should be taking. But limiting guns is not the answer. Again, the 2nd is pretty absolute. We don't limit the 1st based on groups, the 2nd is no different. Or shouldn't be.
Good Grief Y'all
10:33 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
If gun owners don't admit that there's a gun culture problem, the other solutions won't work toward enough good. They need to come to the table like the big brave men they claim to be, and face facts - it's about guns, too.
Karsten Torch
11:38 am on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Gun culture. Not guns. The culture around these thugs and others is the problem. Needs to be addressed. Me and those I know with the guns are not the problem. Responsible people are not who we need to take guns from, that's not going to help anybody.
I'm also a little confused as to what you mean by 'gun culture.' Could you elaborate a bit?
Good Grief Y'all
6:33 pm on Thursday, January 17, 2013
Karsten, please. You know what gun culture is. It's you.
Karsten Torch
10:16 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
So....in other words, you can't define it. Thanks for clarifying....
Good Grief Y'all
12:10 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Well, I did define it. It's you. You don't know who you are? Not my problem.
Karsten Torch
1:49 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
That was a good one. Must have taken you all day to think of that retort.
And it stills tells me you can't define it. Unless you think 'gun culture' is those people that own guns. Or is it the ones that just like guns? Or those that believe we should have them? Because there's plenty of people out there that believe in our right to have them that haven't bought any. You know, those people that believe in the 2nd Amendment.
Maybe THAT'S your definition. "Gun culture" is that subculture of people that believe in the Constitution! Perfect, glad we could come to that understanding....
Good Grief Y'all
2:24 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
Don't pat yourself on the back, KT. I would never waste that much time on you and yours. I'm just a little sick of the attacks, dreading the sure-as-shootin' assault - don't you like that phrase? ;) that I know will come with anything I write, and didn't want to expound upon it. Makes me sigh-inducing weary at times.
But, here you are go - the gun culture, based on everything I have read on the subject from you. . . your mentality is the gun culture. The gun culture is the subset of society that thinks owning whatever type of gun and ammunition you want to have is more valuable and important than the right of innocents to expect to go to school and return home again, or go to the movies, shop at the mall, attend a concert or political event, go to the store to buy food for your family, go to work, etc., and not be shot to shreds because they went to those places and didn't hide in an arsenal-filled bunker instead.
The gun culture may or may not include sensible, responsible, honorable gun owners, but it certainly includes those who consider them as playtoys for their entertainment and enjoyment, those who are careless with their storage and use, those who build their macho-man image on them, those who use them to threaten and intimidate others, those who would turn them on their own families in a moment of rage.
(continued . . . )
Good Grief Y'all
2:30 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
The gun culture includes those who use the 2nd Amendment as a front, an excuse, for whatever reason they have for justifying their ownership of military-grade weapons.
The gun culture includes, to the largest degree, the NRA, blood-sucking lobby that it has become, and gun and ammunition manufacturers. It includes the greedy, corrupt Congress people who will do their bidding for campaign funds and to ensure they're not black-balled for re-election.
There, whew! I think I got it all out. I feel better. Thanks for pushing me, Karsten. Aren't you glad you asked?
Rebecca McCarthy
7:53 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
Attention, shoppers:
Comments will be deleted if they aren't deemed germane to the thread, or if they attack other people personally who are on the thread instead of countering or endorsing their position. Thanks.
Good Grief Y'all
9:41 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
Thank you, Rebecca. I can make your job easier. Most of the abusers are following me. I do return their fire, but usually I'm just giving them what they want by doing so. It would really be nice to be able to post and not dread the next unnecessary exchange that will inevitably appear, no matter the subject. Some of them may not know what constitutes a "personal" attack, but most know only too well.
John B
9:59 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
LOL...good grief...good grief....you're the biggest offender but somehow think you're exempt. And no one has to follow you anywhere....you post a thousand times to each and every blog....trust me...I'm trying to avoid you but it's impossible because you're the resident expert on well.....everything.
Good Grief Y'all
12:18 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
You give me too much credit, JB. 1000s? Too funny. I may post more than you, but unlike you I address the topic. You often write only for the purpose of attacking. I post way less than others and not on all articles and blogs.
If Patch finds my comments offensive, I have no problem with them being deleted. It would be nice to know the reason but not necessary. If others find my comments offensive they can flag them and Patch can decide. If you and your buds don't like my comments you enjoy your personal attacks and taunts. Are you in the category of not knowing what a personal attack is, or the one in which you know and delight in making them?
8:30 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
I am sorry to have come into this conversation so late, but here is my $.02.
The Georgia CWP has no proficiency testing as a prerequisite to purchase. This is different in Texas and other states, where citizens must pass a test in order to qualify for concealed carry permits.
The idea of open carry has good and bad points. I have carried both ways, and prefer concealed to avoid comments, both good and bad, about my choice.
A balance of common sense laws directed at gun permitting, mental health and personality profiles is necessary. I have taken simulation training to see if I was able to 'shoot' an attacker. It is harder than you think.
As to arming school officials, I feel that, if the above testing and training is conducted, a person, teacher or anyone else, should be allowed to carry anywhere he or she wishes. It is TOO easy to legally carry a weapon.
Good Grief Y'all
9:43 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
Yes! I agree to most of your post, but not so sure any person, teacher, should carry in the schools.
Karsten Torch
10:18 am on Friday, January 18, 2013
Wow, this whole post has degenerated into GGY whining, reminding me of my daughter when she was three saying "uh uh, YOU are!" Oh, and complaining nonstop to Patch. Was fun to watch for a while, now it's just kinda boring....
Good Grief Y'all
12:23 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
That's not true. There are plenty of comments on topic, it's just that you and your posse just zoom in on mine.
Well, I'm sure you won't waste any time finding another blog where you can post your torture of logic. Who said that? That was spot on.
I'm not complaining to Patch. I made an observation. I think it just hit too close to home with Karsten and company.
Racer X
12:54 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
There she goes again, "That's what you are but what am I?" Pretty soon I am expecting "Nanny nanny boo boo, stick your head in doo doo".
Since we all know mental illness is a big problem, can we start by all chipping in for some counseling for GGY? Or perhaps a muzzle? Straight-jacket? Paper bag?
Karsten Torch
5:05 pm on Friday, January 18, 2013
"The gun culture includes those who use the 2nd Amendment as a front, an excuse, for whatever reason they have for justifying their ownership of military-grade weapons."
Huh. You mean those that actually know the purpose of the 2nd Amendment? Yep, then we're the 'gun culture' allright.
"The gun culture is the subset of society that thinks owning whatever type of gun and ammunition you want to have is more valuable and important than the right of innocents to expect to go to school and return home again, or go to the movies, shop at the mall, attend a concert or political event, go to the store to buy food for your family, go to work, etc., and not be shot to shreds because they went to those places and didn't hide in an arsenal-filled bunker instead."
Yeah, we're the ones that realize there are evil bastards out there, and would rather be able to defend ourselves, our family, and other innocents in the face of these evil people. How you get from owning guns and believing in the second amendment to somehow we're hindering the 'rights' of people to go out and enjoy recreation is unfathomable. I mean, that's some seriously screwed up logic.
Somehow, in your head, keeping innocents and law-abiding citizens from guns is going to keep criminals and the insane from committing crimes. Good luck with that.


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New-to-vinyl converts talk about the joys of playing LPs
I've heard the naysayers for years, the ones that say vinyl is a fad, or that kids buy records just because they think LPs are cool. But the fact is vinyl sales keep going up year after year. I'd be the first to admit that playing an LP is more of a hassle than listening to Spotify, so why do people who grew up listening to CDs and files invest in a turntable, and search out their favorite music on LP? Why do they do it?
Recently, I talked with a few music lovers who grew up in … Read more


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