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Karina is a "Dreamer." She says she's not the only one.
The 22-year-old illegal immigrant and Montgomery College student spoke Wednesday at a news conference at the University of Maryland, Baltimore County to kick off Educating Maryland Kids, an effort to pass the Maryland DREAM Act.
"My mother has always told me that education is the path to my success and I very much believe that," said the woman who was only identified by her first name.
Karina, who plans on graduating next year with dual associate degrees in general studies and mental health, called for support for a bill that would grant in-state tuition rates to students like herself who are in this country illegally or are considered undocumented immigrants.
The law that would grant that opportunity will go before the voters in November after narrowly passing the General Assembly in 2011. Opponents collected nearly 109,000 signatures of registered Maryland voters, nearly twice the required number, to force the issue to the ballot.
Educating Maryland Kids, a coalition of groups including the Catholic church and other faith-based, education, civil rights, and labor unions, kicked off its efforts to educate voters and uphold the recently passed tuition bill.
"The Catholic church supports the DREAM Act because we believe that every person, regardless of their legal status is a child of God," said Bishop Denis Madden, Auxiliary Bishop for the Archdiocese of Baltimore. "As a church and as a community, we flourish when we strive to provide the opportunity for every person to reach their full potential and to develop the unique God-given gifts that they have been given.
"We are convinced that when Marylanders know the facts about the DREAM Act, that they will happily embrace the chance to do the right thing for our young people," Madden said.
Del. Pat McDonough, a Middle River Republican and a leading opponent of the law, said the coordinated effort to support the law is not a surprise. He said opponents will not be able to match the money he expects groups like Educating Maryland Kids to spend before the election.
"We don't have O'Malley money, and we don't have SEIU union money, and we don't have any angels saying, 'Here's some money, go out and tell the truth.'" McDonough said. "What we have are people across the state who believe this is wrong."
McDonough plans to hold his own news conference Thursday in Middle River—an unofficial kick-off to defeat the measure, he said.
The Republican delegate Tuesday criticized Freeman Hrabowski, president of the University of Maryland, Baltimore County, for attending and speaking at the event.
"He's a public official and his salary is paid for by the taxpayers of Maryland," McDonough said. "What right does he have to advocate for breaking the law?"
The University System of Maryland has twice voted to support the law.
Hrabowski said the event, even though it was held at his university, was not a university-sponsored event—though he said he personally supports the effort.
"As an american educator, I have a special belief that the more we can do to educate the children in this country, the better off our country will be," Hrabowski said. "In fact, I would argue that it is our way as Americans, to believe in our children.
"Children need to know that adults believe in them and that they appreciate the power of of education to transform lives. Where would we be without an education?"
10:45 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
The Catholic Church and it's Leaders need to worry about how they're going to be able to keep their school system going and keep their noses out of the Educating of Illegals.American born Maryland Kids are top Priority.If the Bishop wants the responsabilty hire Hrabowski and let his Schools pay for their Education.
11:05 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
They can take up a third collection at every mass and label it "Dream Fund."if they can repair the basilica for a couple of million dollars they can certainly sponsor some college kids.
9:05 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
If the Catholic Church would like to continue to dabble in influencing politics, it should forfeit it's tax exempt status.
Arbutus Town Crier
3:25 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
JD1 found the ROOT CAUSE! While the DIRECT CAUSE is throughout this thread
JS must have deleted comments....proof?
Arbutus Town Crier
3:56 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
:First,Read Disclaimer!!!!
open mind needed
Just wonder before JS deletes this too
Arbutus Town Crier
10:12 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
You want it from the horses mouth? Well here you Go! they hide behind Charities playing on emotions than reality: Catholic Church has great influence in forming public opinion at a worldwide level and plays an active role in defining social and global geopolitical tendencies. If you look its a cross between business/Military Listen to one man or WE the PEOPLE? here are there sites You decide!
JS has deleted my posts before I wonder if they do it again
Arbutus Town Crier
10:26 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is an independent US Government agency responsible for providing national security intelligence
The Vatican City is a Country
Meets The Criteria for Independent Country Status
So how come we let a country get around taxes?
10:51 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Why not start a private foundation to raise funds for helping these kids go to college. If the catholic church and private citizens believe in this cause, they can send in their checks. This way, legal citizens are not forced to give their tax dollars to further incentivize additional illegals from coming into the country. Everybody wins and keeps the government out of our pockets.
11:04 pm on Wednesday, July 18, 2012
Hrabowski should be removed from UMBC immediately. All of these "educators" have no clue what it is like in the real world. Hey Freeman - how about working on your Accounts Receivable collection? Oh yes, you don't have to worry about that, we pay your salary. Life in academia - complete fools.
This will be repealed with a 65% vote against the act. And all the academics who allowed these lawbreakers to come to school on our tax dollars should be fired along with Freeman.
8:34 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
From one Independent to another, only a complete fool would remove Dr. Hrabowski from UMBC. He is one of the best university presidents in the country, probably the most hands-on, available and public representative of any college in the land. Because Dr. Hrabowski takes a stand on an issue that benefits his institution and society, but places a small burden on state residents with which you disagree is, indeed, a very foolish reason to remove him. This is not Virginia, we don't give ultimatums to our university officials to take positions against their own best judgements for their students and their institutions because of our own selfish interests.
11:08 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Explain to me how the removal of President Hrabowski, a dedicated educator and believer in children as the future, would have any positive effect at all, either towards your clouded cause, or against the DREAM Act. Another President would fill the position, and still your tax money goes toward the university system. Your reasoning is weak, your judgement invalid. He has no clue what it's like in the "real world"? Will that be before or after he was jailed for a civil rights demonstration, earned his PhD at 24, and started a scholarship to help minority students succeed? Please, tell me, what is the real world?
B Allen
11:47 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Frank, you think you are soo frickin smart, what kind of statement is that? Oh yeah, you are so narrowminded that you think that conservatives want bad air to breath, dirty water to drink and swim in, power outages all the time, bad roads, a failing education system (oh you already mentioned that)... you are such a fool. I know why you vote dem and support their leftist views, here is one reason "I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would." If you are so smart, why do you ALWAYS make such stupid comments, with all your rants and childish temper tanturms.
B Allen
12:43 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Sorry Frank, I forgot you people can only do one thing at a time...you must be a government "comrad" worker. DA
B Allen
9:29 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Cmon Frankie..."American conservatives' contempt for higher education is nothing short of astonishing".
where are the facts that conservative have contempt for higher education??? Oh yeah, I thought so, you cannot defend with any facts once again. I can tell from all your comments (yours, PA, jag and others that share your distorted views) that you clearly lack the intelligence to think for yourself. This is a PRIME example. Therefore any comments you make on these posts should be taken as just "hearsay" and without ANY factual basis.
Arbutus Town Crier
3:30 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
How many people have appliances delivered, or contractors who only "one" speaks english? I have been told by business owners that the one that speaks english is legal while the one that cant speak english is illegal, I saw the same with contractors tree removal during the aftermath of the storm that left us without power Some business owners have to use the same tactics to survive. I know one that employed several; the group will get an apartment work and send money to there home country or move family to create the anchor . Its all about money and control!
12:53 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Is this why Maryland college tuitions have gone up every year?? Every illegal college student takes away something from a legal American college student. I would bet the majority of illegal students try to get financial help to attend college. This takes away needed dollars from LEGAL American college students. Please WAKE UP Maryland voters. Illegal is illegal. What is so hard to understand.
Peter Mork
7:30 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"Illegal is illegal." Except when it's not. Overstaying a visa is one way to be an "illegal," but this is a civil offense. Violating the terms of a contract is no more illegal than overstaying a visa.
8:47 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
This is one issue I think conservatives will like me on. I couldn't dis-agree more with this DREAM garbage. Illegal is illegal. Legal immigrants = awesome. Overstaying your visa is still illegal. Get it renewed, or go home.
I fully support legal immigrants getting the proper in-state tuition.
9:11 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I would love to see more information on what type of financial aide these illegal immigrant students are receiving. I'd also love to know how illegal immigrants are paying taxes if they are here illegally???? How are they obtaining jobs without the proper I-9 documentation? We need to learn lessons from the state of California - where the burden of illegals receiving state benefits (education, welfare, healthcare..etc) have helped to financially cripple the state.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
10:55 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"Is this why Maryland college tuitions have gone up every year??"
No, because it isn't even in effect yet.
"Every illegal college student takes away something from a legal American college student."
Hyperbole. As an answer to that, and to SAH's request for more information on what type of financial aide they have access to, this page http://www.finaid.org/otheraid/undocumented.phtml documents a few of the private scholarships available to undocumented students.
As for the questions about how Undocumented citizens manage to pay taxes, see: http://roygermano.com/2011/02/28/do-illegal-immigrants-pay-taxes/
This law is extremely conservative and requires a lot from those who would be applying (tax returns for 3 years from student and parents, attendance at a community college for two with successful completion of an associate's degree). While I don't know where Steve's 60 affected students statewide number comes from in a comment below, it wouldn't surprise me if that's close.
B Allen
12:00 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
If you want to get the STRAIGHT info and not the OWEmalley, MOCo, PG county info, call Pat McDonough or email him. He has been fighting for the MD taxpayers for quite some time. Over $1B REAL taxpayers dollars go to pay for illegals to be here in MD. MoCo is the biggest culprit by bringing them here and paying their way. They have also been lining them up in the past at the MVA in Gaithersburg and signing them up for drivers licenses and to vote in our elections, with the help from people at Casa of MD and LaRaz. Read this article http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration
B Allen
5:49 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Did you not know that in MD illegals get preference over REAL tax payers in getting financial aid. We have to cover those costs somehow and the dems in MD use the REAL taxpayers of MD as ATM machines. I suggest all of you who don't really understand what is going on here contact Pat McDonough and get the "straight skinny". The dems are hiding the real costs of covering illegals in MD, has now gone up to $1.9Billion of taxpayers dollars per yr. Not to mention what scams they have going on filing false tax returns. I have added the link of the video since I know 99.9% libs don't read, they just spew back what they see and hear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_6en7lbx0
6:46 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I support the kids going to an affordable college.
9:11 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I support them being deported too! A shame that people dont get arrested for aiding them....
9:17 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Again, I'm all for those legally residing here getting whatever they deserve under the law. I'm not anti-immigrant, I'm anti-illegal immigrant.
8:14 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Anchor babies is a fairly common practice. It shouldn't be supported. It's hyperbole you spout presently. Every child has relatives in their former country - somewhere. It's not our civic responsibility as a country to take care of illegals, any more then its our business to meddle excessively in middle Eastern affairs.
Of course I find it amusing that both parties are hypocrites in their own way.
B Allen
12:07 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
I am NOT anti business or a business making money but when you have hotels offering women to come here to the US and have their babies (for a cost) and be born US citizens, that I have a problem with. It is illegal, just like ILLEGAL entry into the USA and being here illegally. You lefties out there, lets see you cross the boarder into MX and see how you are treated...WILL BE A WAKE UP CALL TO YOU PEOPLE. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birth-tourism-industry-markets-us-citizenship-abroad/story?id=10359956
B Allen
5:52 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
sure FIFA but NOT on our dime...do you really understand what is going on here? Call Pat McDonoughs office and you can get the REAL facts, not what is fabricated truth from the dems in MD. They can pay full tuition, not get it subsidised by the taxpayers of MD.
Jay Fitzgerald
8:32 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
My white male straight A, prep school child could NOT be admitted to UM because of overcrowding...he needed to be 'diverse' and come from a non working family...went out of state with a 50% academic scholarship that worked out far cheaper than Maryland with a better program. The CITIZENS that do it 'right' continue to be punished....ENOUGH! Community colleges should be the entry point and the Universities the goal. Lower degrees can earn the way into a four year program via hard work. I worked my way through the whole time...entitlements come at the expense of others hard work and money, with a side order of 'you owe it to us and should be grateful we're here to take what you earned'....give us a break!
12:53 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
LOL, someone's bitter their kid wasn't good enough for UMD. Check out the campus sometime...about a billion other white males made it. That's not the issue, buddy.
B Allen
12:10 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Paul and jag, you 2 area couple of racist, left wing nutjobs. Whatever you 2 post is so moronic, you 2 deserve each other. You saul alinsky style does not cut it here nor anywhere else.
B Allen
12:14 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Jay, the REAL problem is those that run this "henhouse" from the village idiots on the MOCO county council all the was up to OWEmalley. You want your children to get a REAL FAIR shake, then vote the dems out next time and se how things turn around in MD. Just look at how Wisconsin has turned around under conservative rule, they ahve a surplus and the peole are making money and schools have money. That is why Scott Walker beat his opponent when the unions and the dems tried to recall him... If more self proclaimed "smart" people in MD would open their eyes to the lies, deciept and the crimes committed by the dems in MD, this would be a better place.
B Allen
12:45 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Like I said earlier Frank is an idiot...probably one of those community organizers who try to create a proble...the likes of him are the problem
B Allen
9:56 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
@jag whaaaa whaaaa a thousand time whaaaaa. I could hear you crying all the way over hear. You people don't like being put down and "outed" to how fooling you look and sound.
Dave Winterling
8:59 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
No one is saying that these illegal aliens cannot go to college in Maryland. The current referendum simply suggests that it just doesn't make any sense to subsidize their tuition, with the taxpayer's money, especially at a time when our state officials are already spending more than we take in. Combine that with the fact that these same legislators are running people and businesses out of the state with their ridiculous taxes and regulations, and the revenue influx becomes even worse. Maryland does not need to find new ways to spend the taxpayer's money. It needs to find ways to cut spending before all of the motivated job creators leave the state.
B Allen
12:17 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
If I was an parent paying out of state tuition at a MD college, I would sue OWEmalley and the republic of MD. Illegals are Aliens, and in the MD bylaws anyone not of MD is considered an "Alien", therefore MD has opened itself up to MANY lawsuits. Then again, I would not think that the dems in MD are smart enought to figure that one out.
B Allen
6:05 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Once again Frank, you have opened your mouth and removed all doubt...operative word "IF". You are such a richard cranium. Out of state students DO have a leg to stand on and could sue the republic of MD and the village idiot OWEmalley to get their money back should the so called dream SCAM pass. The MAJORITY of people in MD both dems and republicans are against it. Yeah, there are MANY dems against it, just look at the numbers and the people that signed the petition to have it on the ballot in the fall. I had quite a few on my street sign it and I KNOW they are dems. Once I explained the ponzi scheme, they understood. What is your problem? nobody can be as stupid as you are. The other thing I feel sorry for you is that you post your ignorant statements here for all to see. Get the facts.
B Allen
6:12 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
you are right dave, but the $1.9 Billion they are spending on illegals right now could go a long way for the people of MD and NOt have to keep using us as ATM machines. http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration
9:09 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Its a shame that illegals arent being deported anymore but as a LEGAL voter, I do have a say, more of a say than some illegal brat that their parents brought in from a rug. NO to DREAM act and NO to illegals! and NO to anybody that is supporting them!
B Allen
10:09 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
well, democrats in MD have illegals to sign up to vote in our elections. Casa of MD was lining them up at the DMV in gaithersburg before the 2008 election and getting them on the voter rolls, with the democrat party volunteers helping. then they brought the list to the UN to show hugo chavez when he was there calling bush the devil...because hugo chavez is funding casa of md along with MoCo taxpayer dollars
3:08 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
MD, I second your comments completely! I will support Pat McDonough and any political candidate that states they will do whatever it takes to stop illegal immigration. I would like to see what these bleeding heart liberals say when MD and federal taxes go up even more than they are now. Sad that O'Malley can fund Casa De Maryland but he can't give Baltimore City that money to keep their rec centers open for poor legal children.
Brook Hubbard
9:09 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
At all of these rallys, gatherings, etc. for people speaking out for their rights as illegal immigrants... why isn't INS just sitting there and waiting? I mean, they get in front of a microphone and admit they are here illegally; shouldn't they be detained just for that admission?
I'm sure if I went to a Legalize Marijuana rally and got in front of a microphone and said, "I've got a dime bag on me right now!", there'd be some police waiting for me afterwards.
9:27 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"INS" They haven't been around for years. What rock have you been living under?
Corbin Dallas Multipass
10:38 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Because it would look silly. The illegal immigrants you want deported are the ones committing additional crimes, not speaking at a rally in a mature and reasoned way and indicating they want an education so they can be a productive member of society.
B Allen
6:10 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Bill MC, what are you talking about. It is against the law for businesses to hire illegals...what are you another "hate business" jerks. The illegals are doing lawn work for the MoCo councilmembers, Ike Leggett, OWEmalley and all the rest of the dems. Didn't you know that in MOCo the dems want to bring more illegals here to work the agricultural areas in northern MoCo? That will add more illegals into the educational system and a burden on taxpayers in MD. $1.9Billion would go a long way for taxpayers in MD. http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration
7:19 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
B Allen: If you don't think local businesses around here hire illegals...
B Allen
7:52 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
New Obama admin mandates. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Xb2_3R6oHSQ
B Allen
8:00 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
Tim, I know businesses hire illegals. I am FULLY aware of what is going on here in MoCo and MD as a whole. I have been fighting the illegal issue for over 13 yrs. The MoCo county councilmembers continually give money to illegals, have been on the board of directors for casa of md. Mikulski, Cardin, Van Hollen and other dems have supported giving illegals taxpayer dollars, have aided and abetted in criminal activity in getting illegals signed up for drivers licenses and to vote in OUR elections. OWEmalley is continuaing all of this and shoving it down the taxpayers throats. So, if anyone supports their aiding and abetting, then maybe you need to get YOUR checkbook out and pay more in taxes to support the illegls. I don't feel ANY law biding taxpayer from whichever party you support should have to pay more to support illegals. Also, if you look at the petition that was sent around to get this so called "Dream Act" on the ballot, you will see that MANY are Dems that signed it. There is hope that some get the full picture. I feel sorry for those who don't, because they will NEVER get it.
9:12 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Your white male prep school child should have scored higher on his SAT's. Admittance to college is competitive and obviously he didn't have what it takes.
In order to take advantage of the DREAM Act you have to start out at a Community College. I hope you didn't sign the petition because obviously you didn't read the law.
10:08 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve, you apparently have NO idea what the college admittance requirements are now. Good grades and SAT scores are NOT enough. You need to have lots of extra-curricular "stuff" (activities, volunteer work, job, whatever) AND fit in with the population quotas for the school (so many whites, Asians, blacks, etc., and then so many of each sex in each race plus other factors, such as family income (certain percentage from disadvantaged backgrounds, for instance), etcetera, etcetera, etcetera to quote the King in The King and I.
Once you have that, there is the percentage of students that are in-state and receive the lower tuition rate vs. the number who are out of state and pay the higher rate. Every illegal who gets in-state tuition takes away an in-state tuition slot from a legal resident.
If Jay's kid "didn't have what it takes", it very likely was not in the grade department but in the ethnic/social/residency department. I know 5 students with high GPAs who graduated from Maryland high schools last year who College Park either wait-listed or denied outright. Their SAT scores were all over 1850 (3 were over 2000). We are chasing some of our best students out of state.
I'm sorry that they are here illegally because their parents brought them here as children and the children didn't have a say in it. However, this is NOT my fault and I'm NOT willing to pay for it. No one is denying these children an education; we're denying them the lower tuition rate.
B Allen
12:21 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
@Steve what rock do you live under? In MD it is not based on your abilities, it is based on race, national origin and sex. MD education system is trying to build very good party "comrads"
9:18 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Go ahead and make it easier for Iillegals at the expense of citizens and one thing i certain, we'll have more illegals chosing to settle in Maryland.
9:29 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve. I love how you can excuse away the fact that they are here ILLEGALly! We put fugitives on a most wanted list and hunt them down. But ILLEGALS can receive support from the state and go public about their rights is just amazing.
9:42 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Blah!, Blah, blah! "Illegal". You wanna talk about "illegal" go read the speed camera thread. You guys just want to pick and choose the laws that can and can not be broken.
This is not about 'illegal". It's about not so thinly veiled racism/bigotry.
10:05 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I am firmly against this law, and plan to vote it down in the fall. I am no racist or bigot. In fact, I am married to a foreign national who resides here LEGALLY. Let's have a spirited debate, but please leave the name calling out. Having gone through the immigration process with my husband, I resent how easy Maryland has made it to buck the system and encourage illegal immigration. No one here is saying they don't have a right to an education. They are here illegally, and should not benefit from subsidized tuition. And - race quotas do, in fact, exist.
10:15 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
If we break the speed laws and get caught, we pay the price. The illegal students have broken the law simply by being here illegal but are not willing to pay the price. Big difference...
M. Sullivan
10:41 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Hey Steve, if you want to talk racism, let's examine the difficulties a white foreign national from Eastern Europe faces just trying to immigrate here legally. If they try to illegally immigrate and are caught they are deported immediately.
10:47 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve: False. Your attempts at mis-direction are failing as far as those of us with a fully functioning brain are concerned.
10:49 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"White Foreign Nationals from Europe"??? If you are an Eastern European Jew you don't even have to wait in line. You automatically qualify for a Green Card.
10:51 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
If you bust your ass and are reasonably intelligent you can get into any university you want to. Period.
You know the saying "Excuses are like........."
11:18 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve. There you go. Calling names. You're good at that. Referring to comment you made about speed cameras and Sunday fishing law, here's another one for you: it is illegal to throw bales of hay from a second floor window within city lmits.. Use that one the next time you want to make a silly comparison I don't pick and choose laws to obey. If it's illegal to fish on Sunday then arrest or ticket people that beak that law. When enough attention is brought to the No Fishing On Sunday Law and it's irrelevance it will be removed. But to excuse away illegal immigrants breaking the law? STEVE, ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL! WOW!
8:07 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I work with 3 guys, each from the same Central American country. They all came here 2 decades ago speaking only Spanish, sporting dark sun-kissed skin, black hair...you know the pretty typical looking latino. Each has become a USA citizen, learned English, and speak it proficiently. They work hard and are productive employees. Each have sent back for family members and have waited patiently for their legal arrival while they were processing their imigration papers. Each on of these guys despises foriegners who skirt the law and enter illegally. They each oppose the Dreamers desire for special exception. Are they racists too, or is it just those folks you suspect of being white non-latino males that qualify for this label?
B Allen
10:18 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Chillin, that is exactly the case in point. Family friends of ours since 1982 are from south america. I even vouched for the husband when he wanted to become a citizen, His visa ran out after his family returned to South America and he wanted to stay. They also have many friends from south and central america, mexico, etc. They are ALL here legally and detest those who are here illegally and cry for "their fair share". They do not like the way illegals are treated in MOCo and get their handouts every month when they work hard, have businesses and vote republican every time.
9:44 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve ,Being white and having a higher sat and GPA means nothing if the college like Maryland has a 1 to 2 point addition to non white male students.Per the Towson admissions director. You must understand we Have to take a certain amount of minorities plus we can't take all 4.0 students we have quotas .But don't worry they can reapply next year .Really what about the Guarantee that if they have an AA they get in? Well not until we get room,you must understand sir we make more money from out of state students.But if you wait until spring many of those can't make it so we have openings in spring.
12:17 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Clearly little kevin did not graduate or attend college very long. If he did, they failed in their admission process. kevin sometimes it is better to just not open your mouth and show people your intelligence.
10:13 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve, are you really this ignorant about the current state of college admissions or are you being purposely argumentative and stupid? The quotas exist! College admission personnel and high school counselors know it and admit it openly. What do you think diversity is??? Geesh! Here's a quarter, buy a clue.
10:14 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Here's a dollar, stop using minorities as a scapegoat for your own academic laziness.
10:48 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
illegals aren't all minorities.
most folks don't have an issue with foreigners - you know, the ones here legally.
Again, another failed attempt at misdirection.
4:12 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Paul: You may be right. Let me alter that.
< I > don't have any problem with legal immigrants, Muslim included.
Perhaps I am once again giving humanity too much credit.
8:20 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Yeah, and the Indiana town fair where they had Obama as a punching bag. A registered Republican actually complained about it (amongst other folks).
I try not to rely on the rural midwest and deep south for much intellectually, and I'm seldom surprised. Stupid is as stupid is raised.
B Allen
10:23 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Yeah, republicans know how to act. When the GOP complained about the dems hanging bush in effigy and the movie they put out about Bush getting assinated, the dems said it was "free speech"...just to name a couple of instances.
B Allen
10:31 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
@Steve, oh another category i forgot you lefties have a "lock" on. "minorities". we are not talking about "minorities" we are talking about people who are here against the law and the taxpayers of MD are footing the bill for them...all $1.9 Billion in MD alone. Does not matter where they are from, illegal is illegal http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration
10:22 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
If this illegal alien is attending Montgomery College she is already getting in state tuition since MC does not ask by their own admission.
10:23 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"This is not about 'illegal". It's about not so thinly veiled racism/bigotry."
That comment is as racist and bigoted as it gets.
11:01 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
Fits perfectly.
B Allen
10:29 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
The leftie lucies in MD have to resort tousing their "coined" categories, you nkow racist, bigot, etc etc. They throw those words out there in hopes it may stick, but NEVER does. This is NOT only about people who are "illegal" does not matter where they are from, Germany, Ireland, England, etc...it does not matter. What matters is that REAL MD taxpayers are paying more and more in taxes, why do you think OWEmalley keeps coming back for special sessions to raise taxes? The costs of paying for ILLEGALS has skyrocketed in MD to $1.9Billion/ yr, paid by MD taxpayers. Why do you think your income taxes and property taxes are being increased? Why do you think fees, not to be associated with taxes, are being increase? rad this and find out how much we are paying. http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration
10:38 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
At the end of the day, the DREAM Act only affects about 60 students statewide.
10:49 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Then its an utter waste of legislation and their time. They should be focusing on things that actually affect Marylanders.
11:00 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
No because it affects a lot more veterans and current military personnel than it does "illegals". The Dumbos that blindly signed the petition without actually reading the law are pretty friggin' stupid. They were duped.
11:15 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
That number comes right from the Dean of the Community College of Baltimore County as reported right here on Patch.
"Sandra Kurtinitis, CCBC president, told council members Monday night that only 20 of the college's 74,000 students could potentially qualify under the law."
BCCC is the largest community college system in the state and only 20 students are affected.
You guys are so easily led around by your noses by out of state interests.
9:34 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
This Steve character sounds familiar! I wonder if his wife, the family breadwinner works for the AG Gansler.
B Allen
11:57 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
haha, what does AG stand for in this case? Another Gangster...Gansler is one of them...
11:03 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Are these New Americans the children of people like Pedro Chavez, aka Jose Cisneros, or Carlos Santiago, or Antonia Ledesma? All the same person with 4 different drivers licenses in Minnesota?
Detectives say the Albert Lea man was illegally collecting welfare for a decade, using real Minnesota driver's licenses obtained with phony documents. He was convicted of forgery, and deported.
11:28 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve. I don't care if it only effects 1 illegal receiving in-state tuition. It's a bad law. If somehow this "Dream Act" was suppose to help veterans and somehow aided Illegal immigrants, then the law was poorly written, and should be re-written to correct the mistake.
11:46 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve is a guy that believes we should be supporting ILLEGALS. He makes excuse after excuse why it's the job of the state to provide assisstance for ILLEGALS. If you don't agree then he becomes a name caller. I've never met Steve but I picture his home to be a spacious abode where he has hundred's upon hundred's of ILLEGALS living there rent free. Feeding, clothing and educating them on HIS dime. A real modern day Mother Theresa.
11:32 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Windriver. That's a minor detail. Steve and the rest of the bleeding hearts can't be bothered with trivial details. But one thing is certain. Steve won't stroke a check of his own to support a few ILLEGAS, but it's OK to use taxpayer money. Typical!
11:36 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
According to Steve we're racists and dumbos for not supporting ILLEGALS and ILLEGAL aciivity. Steve show us a cancelled check written by you out of your own account that went to assist a poor ILLEGAL who can't afford to go to college. STEVE ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL!!! WOW!!
12:00 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve is too busy living off the hardwork of taxpayer's to actually have his OWN money. He is the prodigal government son that expects cradle to grave entitlements. Steve is the hetero-lifemate of that Julia web character.
12:26 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
And all Escariot does is take government money for his cancer screenings.
B Allen
11:59 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
too bad Steves' mother did not have to do her hair or something more meaningless the night it was conceived. Or even made a trip to PP after the fact.
H.R. Pufnstuf
11:39 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
We spend entirely too much money subsidizing higher education, not just for illegal immigrants but citizens as well. College is an investment. If you're not worth the investment in yourself, then don't go. If you are worth the investment, then your parents need to scrimp and save to pay for it, or you need to take loans with the understanding that your higher income from your schooling will pay it back.
When did this country become a bunch of losers who expect someone else to pay for your college? And most of what taxpayers end up paying for are worthless liberal arts degrees anyway. Students: the world doesn't owe you a thing. Anything you want to have to work hard for it.
12:17 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
IMO The ones who complain the most about college are the ones who have never been. It really must suck to go through life with that big of a chip on your shoulder.
12:21 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Ohai, we could have an entire discussion thread on why the cost of of college is so high, but I personally think one huge contributing factor is the availability of student loans. The cheapest 4 year colleges that we've looked at for my daughter will cost $20K/year for tuition, room, board, books, fees, etc. They only go up from there and total costs in the low to mid $30K range is not unusual, especially at out of state schools. If a student and his/her parents had to pay cash for these schools, colleges would not be able to increase their costs by $1,000 or more a year every year (for everything, not just tuition). With these costs and the lack of a good job market for graduates (even some with science, computer science, engineering, math, etc., degrees), college is quickly becoming a BAD investment.
As far as subsidies, if it makes you feel any better, in April, 2011, the legislature started phasing out the Distinguished Scholar Program. New students are not being accepted into this program, which benefited students with a record of higher academic achievement. This is just something else that is sending our smarter kids to out of state schools that offer them a better aid package, including a tuition discount based on their grades and SAT scores. Once they go out of state, there is a good chance that they will stay there and not bring their brains and abilities back to Maryland.
11:56 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve is a relative of O'Malley. He comes on here and posts in support of his liberal policies. So tell us O'Malley lite, what happens when tuition increases and raises in taxes occurs after this bogus attempt at amnesty? My bad, it is just another O'Malley tax increase disguised as a social justice forum. Kick all of the illegals out and send them back to the rocks they crawled out of in their own homeland.
12:08 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Details. Steve not a detail guy. He doesn't equate illegals and in-state tuition with any cost to taxayers or tuition cost increases.
12:13 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
My, my, my - Escariot woke up again. How's that government funded paycheck doing you. Talk about something from under a rock. Actually from the bowels of an elephant would be more descriptive and accurate. Spewing hate while stealing money from the government called a pay check.
12:14 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Yo John, describe in detail what the DREAM Act will cost you?
12:33 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Details! What do you mean Details? Who needs details?
John, where are yours?
B Allen
12:06 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
and FIFA, what are you some plant by the Casa of MD people. Like are you good friends with the MoCo Socialist scumbag Gustavo Torres ? You know he is one of those trying to start a revolution here, they are also the ones that support Che Guevara the Marxist and mass murderer, just as Nobama pictures himself on those bumber stickers. Here is Torres in action. http://themilitant.com/2007/7145/714503.html
12:14 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I didn't say you were a Dumbo for not supporting "illegals". I said you were a Dumbo for being so easily led around by your nose by out of state Hate Cults.
12:25 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Hey Steve! What about transportation to this community college for the poor ILLEGAL who receives this gift of in-state tuition. Shouldn't the state also provide the gift of a new car, besides it will cost less to provide a car then having he or she miss classes and fail out of college. Further, it's not the fault of the child of ILLEGALS that it's too far and too epensive to walk, bike, or bus to college. So, in the long run it will save money if we purchase them a new car from the dealership - within reason of course.
B Allen
10:00 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Good point you brought up John. One of my best friends works for Ride on and he tells me that over 70% of riders on ride on are free. Alot of them are those that are here illegally. I support letting the elderly, students (during scool hours) handicapped, etc, but not illegals. They are NOT allowed to voice their opinion about it and the taxpayers of Montgomery County have to support it with our taxdollars. But it is ok for legget to take away our services that we pay for, like ambulence service. Stevie, Frank Jag and others better not have a heart attack, they will not have an ambulence to ride to the hospital in, since they would not be able to afford the $600 cost for the ride.
12:32 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Granting In state tuition discount is going to be paid for (subsidized) by the taxpayer. Or maybe FIFA and Steve want to pay for it personally. Otherwise it has to be accounted for, unless you live in fantasy land.
12:35 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Describe how that will work one who lives in the gutter.
3:57 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
You miss the point that these are also TAXPAYERS that we are talking about. In-state tuition is not a "discount," it's a lower rate based on the recognition that our tax dollars already go to support our state schools. The DREAM Act is not some kind of handout to freeloading "illegals," it's simply an extension of that same lower rate to people who ALSO already pay taxes to support those schools.
Other Tim
5:10 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
We are talking about illegal immigrants (or undocumented workers, if you prefer). They need "documents" to work. All employers must fill out I-9 forms proving an applicant is permitted to work in the USA. In order to fill out this I-9 form, the employer must see proof they are legal. Any employer who hires people without first completing this I-9 form risks paying thousands to tens of thousands of dollars in fines.
It is easier (and cheaper) to pay the "undocumented workers" under the table, withholding no taxes, and paying no employment taxes. When this is done, how does the illegal immigrant file a tax return?
Other Tim
5:25 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Steve, try to keep up. If they have documents, which I assume that's what you mean by a TIN, then THEY ARE NOT ILLEGAL.
B Allen
10:18 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Dawn, get the facts on how it works. I know when you are young and ill informed about the truth and the facts on how something like this affects the REAL taxpayers, you tend to lean towards the liberal way of thinking. I am sure it is because you are unable to differentiate between the liberal democrat lies and how they want power by deceiving you and the more thoughtful solutions to problems by the conservatives. I was a lib whenI was younger, I protested the in the 60's but realized in the late 70's how many of the dem ways of doing things hurt this country. Even look how the leader of the jackass party is now saying people on welfare don't have to look for work, they can just stay on welfare and take from the people that work and pay taxes, you know his method of "sharing the wealth". Case in point here, you don't have to work and pay taxes but you can have the taxpayers of MD pay part of the education costs for you. Just another way of looking at it.
12:36 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve. No chip here. Went to Towson State (Towson University) and graduated w/business degee in 1986. Paid for with savings and working full time nights/weekends. Of course, I was a legal resident of the state, so received no special treatment or handouts.
Andrea Koller
12:45 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Facts matter:
All undocumented students eligible for in-state tuition must attend a MD high school for a minimum of three years and graduate from it, earning college acceptance by way of achievement.
Students' parents must show proof of tax filing -- undocumented workers can and do pay taxes and parents must show evidence of this before their children will be considered for in-state tuition. (To date, out of 11 states with the Dream Act in place, MD is the only state requiring this.)
Qualified Dream Act students are considered for acceptance from the same pool as out-of-state applicants. Maryland residents are not affected by this law. If your "white, male, straight A prep school" son didn't get accepted to the state college of his desire, it certainly wasn't because a nonnative took his place. (And get over your White Pride, while you're at it.)
Dreamers must first attend 60 credit hours at community college before beginning their program at a state university.
These students must commit to working toward US citizenship.
Dream Act candidates must be fluent enough in English to attend classes in English and will not be enrolled in ESOL or EFL programs.
Less than 1% of college students will qualify for the Dream Act, making this law a non-issue in terms of alleged overcrowding on state campuses.
I think we can all agree that the immigration system is broken, but we can't wait for congress to fix it. It's only fair that we allow full access to education for all.
12:50 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
That all sounds great! But what about the little fact that we seem to forget. Illegal immigrants, whether willfull or gagged and tied and brought here by force, they are here illegally and are beaking the law.
Matt Wilson
1:03 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Agreed on all counts. People who are up in arms about the Dream Act need to look again at those criteria. The kids who qualify are smart and motivated. They are the ones we should be scrambling to keep in Maryland and keep on track for citizenship and future success.
1:14 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
How is rewarding lawbreakers fair Andrea? Do we refuse to arrest and incarcerate single moms and dads that break into houses or rob banks because their innocent kids will become wards of the state even though they are innocent? Your reasons are as ridiculous as all the others. We have a system of immigration that is based on foreigners applying for citizenship, not stealing their way into the country. Based on your above post Andrea, heart surgeons, doctors, and police officers should be allowed to drive drunk, do drugs, and commit felonies because they have a positive role in our society. What happens Andrea when everyone decides that the rule of law no longer matters because immigrants clearly disregard them? What happens Andrea when an "unlicensed" pharmacist tries to sell drugs to your kids? Is it okay Andrea, because it is only fair that the drug dealer make a living? Your white pride statement clearly marks you as a racist. What does race have to do with one's immigration status? Are there not illigal immigrants that are chinese, hispanic, norwegian, and of other ethnicities? Sorry Andrea, but me and others that will vote this disgrace of the law down believe in the rule of law, not awarding lawbreakers special status and rewards.
1:25 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Good work, Andrea. I plan to vote FOR the Dream Act, and volunteer to support it. I plan to get no converts here, so I'll save my fingers.
Matt Wilson
1:25 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Escariot, these are kids. Also, if they can handle college courses conducted in English and are working towards citizenship, chances are they didn't jump hop off the boat yesterday. Chances are they arrived as young children with their parents and have been here for quite a while.
If you want to pound your fist about their being "illegal," knock yourself out. For quite a few of us, we're thrilled by the DREAMers' hard work and dedication, look forward to their future success, and want to do right by them.
1:28 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Andrea, first, the parents are NOT required to PAY taxes; they are merely required to file tax returns.
Second, no one is denything the illegal students "full access to education". We are saying they should not have in-state tuition when they are illegally.
Your writing style is clear; it's unfortunate that you choose to play fast and loose with the facts.
By the way, what's wrong with white pride - or would you also say that to a minority who pointed out that their child was black, Asian, etc.?
Matt Wilson
1:36 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Mari, I think it would be great if DREAM opponents campaigned on 'white pride,' It would certainly clear up any misperceptions about where you're coming from.
Other Tim
2:18 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Andrea's use of the term "undocumented workers" kind of gives it away that she is an O'Malley shill.
2:28 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Matt, I'm not campaigning on "white pride" and neither is anyone else. Andrea brought it up in a disparaging way and I was asking why. It was a simple question but if you want to spin in the same way that the Dream Act proponents have twisted the facts, have at it.
B Allen
10:36 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
HAHAHA, stevie says well said. Well, if you are a liberal who likes as your chief lier in the white house says "share the wealth", then it is well said. Sales tax does not count. Illegals are not allowed to work legally, therefore they do not pay income tax, ss tax and medicare. They get free taxpayers dollars, illegally by those runing Maryland, you know the dems. One of my daughters friends from high school. whose family is here illegally were getting subsidized by the taxpayers in MoCo. Both parents did not work, well only getting illegal jobs under the table at Casa of MD and NOT filing tax returns. The daughter got mixed up with gang activities in 10th grade and got arrested. They gave her an ultimatum, go to juvi school or go to jail. Of course she went to juvi school, paid for by the taxpayers of course. She also got free MoCo college education after, which I was glad that she was trying to turn her life around, but again, it was at the cost of the taxpayers. Why should the taxpayers pay for it? None of you have really justifies why, you just give the lib share the wealth viewpoint which makes no sense.
B Allen
10:37 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
BTW @Bart, nice to see a good little comrad who cannot think for itself. Now, if you believe all the lib crapola, I have a bridge to sell you. haha
jim g.
8:23 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
andrea you will never get it they are here illegally a crime was commited ,and the politician is also commiting a crime by letting this shit happe 910 dollars extra commingg out of every household for this u libs love to spend other ppls. monwy.!! sad!!
12:45 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
FIFA. Take an Economics 101 course and you'll get all of the answers that you are looking for, that is if you pay attention and pass the course. While you're at it, take a criminal law class and find out the meaning of ILLEGAL. And when you do, you can try to explain it to Steve. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!
12:49 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I have taken many economic courses. I have a college degree. I graduated with honors. You apparently you have no such degree as all you do is talk like a tape recorder and write like you hold a crayon in all caps.
It was an easy question, apparently you cannot answer it.
B Allen
10:43 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
FIFA if that is all true, then you should have attended classes, you might have learn something. If in fact you have a degree in economics, then you should be able to understand the impact and the burden to the REAL taxpayers of MD this would cause. We already pay $1.9Billion in taxes that go to subsidies for illegals in MD for food, clothing, education, housing, medical, cable TV and big screen TV's, etc I know and am friends with people who are here illegally and have told me how they get their money to live without working. I also have friends that are here legally and have become citizens and they do not like those here illegally and how they get freebees from MD.
1:05 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Maybe if you went to college FIFA, instead of living off the dole with Steve O'Malley and friends you would have actually spent time in a financial aid or admission office. Or if you had played sports you would understand departmental budgets. Real simple FIFA, colleges accept admissions based on in-state, out-of-state, and scholarship/grants to prepare their budgets. If you take out-of-state spots with illegals instead of usa citizens, you are causing a budget shortage in the form of tuition payments. Do you think that the president, dean, academic advisors, or even coaches and athletic directors are going to take a paycut because of that? No, instead what will happen is that university will raise tuition on everyone and ask for more federal and state dollars which is supplied by taxpayers. So little bo FIFA, doing the dream act will cost all citizens in the form of higher tuition and taxes. But then again, since you believe government is responsible for success like your savior Jimmy Obama I am sure you can rationalize free things for illegals.
1:30 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
LOL, dumbest comment ever. FIFA is "living off the dole" so unlike you, apparently, he's never been to a financial aid office?! Do you not understand what financial aid means??? Hilarious!
1:54 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
You are more ignorant than I ever thought! The DREAM Act fills empty chairs at the community colleges thus a net plus for any dollars they can get.
Fool, I sign the front of paychecks and if I had an employee like you, I made a mistake in the hiring process. Unlike you who lives off of government subsidized payments and complains they don't feed you enough.
B Allen
10:48 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
FIFA, if you actually sign the front of paychecks then you are more of a fool then what you show in your posts. Have fun paying higher taxes in MD if you own a business, since MD is one of the least friendly palces for businesses. Also, have fun trying to make payrolls in the future when the OWEalley tax increases really start to hit your "bottom line"...then your tune will chance. That is if you really own a business. I feel bad for those working for you, they will be out of work soon also, since many companies and jobs are being lost in MD.
1:19 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
FIFA you want my details here they are: ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL! That's the one detal that everyone of you that support this goofy stuff fails to address.
Oh, I'll continue to write words such as ILLEGAL in caps because I don't think you and Steve are able to see it.
1:22 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The old "Illegal is Illegal" canard is getting a little old.
Escargot, we are talking about instate tuition for undocumented students not out of state students.
1:51 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Let's see MORON comes to mind. Towson U. Failed you.
2:26 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
OT - you and loser are peas in a pod. You IQ is only exceeded by your age.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
2:29 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
It is illegal to drive over 55mph on most highways, yet routinely millions of citizens break this law. Surely we must put an end to this massive injustice towards public safety and civic order. Illegal is Illegal.
Also, and it pains me greatly to admit this to you all, but in a moment of weakness, I made the choice to deliberately cross the street where there was no intersection or crosswalk. Illegal is Illegal.
Other Tim
7:43 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Did Steve really say "we are talking about instate tuition for undocumented students not out of state students"? Do you really believe that someone who is in this state illegally, no matter how long, is not an out of state student? Semantics don't work here.
B Allen
10:50 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
and Stevie boy, and dumb is dumb or is it that you are just "stuck on stupid"...sorry to use a democrat term but in this case it fits.
1:20 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Since Paul "liberal hypocrite" is so stuck on his "do as i say, not as i do" liberalism he should obviously hire Steve O'Malley and FIFA. Oops, I keep forgetting that their goal is not to do work, but to sponge of the work rewards of others.
1:49 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Snail man, always looking for more work.
How about you and your government subsidized job? You complain, but you take the money. The hypocrite jar has room for you. Oh, you're already in it.
1:27 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve O'Malley, giving instate tuition for undocumented students comes at the expense of legal citizens applying from out of state. In doing so the tuition of others will be raised as well as taxes. Hmmm, when gas prices rise and businesses get less revenue do they not increase the price of the products whether they be food or other groceries Steve O'Malley?
1:35 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
@Matt Wilson. Here is the problem with your aforementioned post. Once again Matt, if a single person with kids commits a felony, are they then not arrested because they just have kids who will suffer? No Matt, that is not how things work. You know Matt, it was the equal protection of the law clause that brought down segregation in the South. i firmly believe in equal protection of the law, as well as the rule of law. Once again Matt, can someone sell your kids or family drugs or even abuse them? Why not? Oh, my bad, as a citizen of this great country Matt you expect the rule of law to protect children, the elderly, and private property. i don't give a shit if they are kids, it does not give their parents the right to break the law and in many cases endanger the lives of legal citizens. I would love to see Matt Wilson take to the families who were victims of illegal aliens driving drunk or where their child was raped. But then again, that is a-okay with Matt because he does not believe in the rule of law. Don't ever complain if you or someone you love is the victime of crime Matt, because hey they were just trying to make a living.
1:44 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
That is one of the dumbest things I ever read. We are talking about students here not "child rapists" and "drunk driver".
It looks like that degree in Drama is really working for you.
Matt Wilson
1:51 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Escariot, you want to personalize this, but I'm not going to play that game.
The SCOTUS ruling from a few weeks ago that struck down Arizona's SB 1070 made it clear that immigration law violations are a civil matter, not a criminal one. No one is going to argue that a Maryland kid shouldn't get in-state tuition at a Maryland public university because his parents racked up a bunch of parking tickets, or operated a business without the proper license.
Or, even if for the sake of argument we pretended that immigration law violations are just the same as whatever horrendous crimes you want to imagine, no one is going to argue that the Maryland children of those who committed those crimes should be denied Maryland in-state tuition because of their parents' crimes. It doesn't work that way and never has.
2:13 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The snail is a fool, goes best with brown garlic sauce!! Probably makes the snail ill!
1:39 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
@jag. You are dumber than what I thought. You must not have gone to college either. Are student loans handed out to the individual, or through the instituion? If you had half a brain, you would say yes. Which means they must be processed through the financial aid office. Maybe Jag and FIFA and Steve O'Malley can all sit down and eat government cheese and complain about how they have to work to qualify for welfare benefits.
1:48 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
@Steve. No imbecile, we are talking about the rule of law, and in this case the rule of immigration law. We have equal protection of the law. If illegal immigrants are going to be "immune" to our federal laws, then do not complain when you or your family is the victim of their violence or drunk driving. Do not complain when your taxes are raised because of the tuition breaks. But then again, it will not likely happen because the citizens of this state are not all named O'Malley like you are Steve.
1:56 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Sorry Matt, but the SCOTUS decision did nothing to change the deportation of illegals for being what? Oh yeah, they are illegal. It only prevented the state itself from enforcing the law. However, once they are detained and given a chance to produce papers they can be summarily sent to ICE and then a deportation order can occur. By the way Matt, name one country where you can enter illegally and have your kids benefit from being brought in illegally. mexico? no. Europe? no. Once again Matt, you choose to not follow the rule of law in this country. People such as myself will summarily vote out of office Jimmy Obama and then the deportation rates will increase and there will be no dream act or amnesty.
1:59 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Mitt the Mexican certainly isn't going to deport anybody.
2:00 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I wonder if Steve O'Malley is going to cry on the shoulder of FIFA when this bill gets voted down. Maybe they can move to another country by sneaking in illegally, then try to claim government benefits. The only check FIFA every signed had the welfare department written on the front letterhead.
2:01 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
You wish. I don't get subsidies like you, not that there is anything wrong with that, except you bite the hand that feeds you.
2:01 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Look - no matter how you wrap it up, they are here illegally. Using our hard earned tax dollars to support them is WRONG. I know people who came to the US by following the legal process and this is an INSULT to those people. The law is the law, until the law is changed. As it stands, they are breaking the law and should in no way be supported by public dollars. We have really gone off the rails even thinking this is appropriate.
2:10 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
You're right "The Law is the law" and the DREAM Act is the law.
Escargot, you can fantasize about it all you want but illegal aliens aren't entitled to government benefits.
2:30 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
You are right - the law is the law until November. You vote your conscious and I will vote mine. I fully expect that that come November, this law will rightfully go away.
3:32 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The transformation occurred right around the same time he became a Birther.
Andrea Koller
2:15 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Escargot -- you seem to be very fond of my name, You repeat it often in your submission. I'm fascinated by that.
Mari -- "Andrea, first, the parents are NOT required to PAY taxes; they are merely required to file tax returns." Incorrect -- their employers are taking taxes from their pay -- hence they pay taxes.
"Second, no one is denything the illegal students "full access to education". We are saying they should not have in-state tuition when they are illegally." To me FULL access means FAIR access, and the Dream Act is fair.
"Your writing style is clear; it's unfortunate that you choose to play fast and loose with the facts." My facts come directly from meetings I've attended hosted by Maryland Industrial Areas Foundation, Educating Maryland Kids, and Maryland TESOL organization. There is nothing fast, loose, created, or invented about these facts.
"By the way, what's wrong with white pride - or would you also say that to a minority who pointed out that their child was black, Asian, etc.?" One's whiteness doesn't play into college acceptances. And yes, I would state that to anyone attempting to use their own ethnic origins for personal gain.
2:59 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Andrea, you need to learn more about tax laws, such as how many people actually pay taxes once all the deductions & credits, including the earned income credit, are taken. Just because employers deduct taxes doesn't mean they aren't ultimately all refunded to the employees after the tax return is filed.
The Dream Act is not fair to anyone except the illegal aliens - we'll disagree on this one.
Your facts are all from groups in favor of the Dream Act & thus spun to suit their agenda. Try getting some from sources opposed to the Act. I didn't attend the meetings you reference, but I did check out the website for Educating Maryland Kids to see if they could change my opinion; they did not. I'm sure the TESOL group is in favor of the Act given the nature of their work & I know about the Industrial Area Foundations and saw no reason to seek out their material.
Ethnic origin DOES play into college acceptance & if you don't know that, you are unfamiliar with the current "diversity" movement on most college campuses. There may not be official quotas but there are definitely goals for having a diverse student body. I'm not saying that is right or wrong; I'm simply saying "it is". Don't believe me? Go to the home page of any public college or university and enter the word "diversity" in the search box. You might find a couple where you don't get multiple hits, but for most schools you will get a plethora of articles and probably a link to the "Office of Diversity".
Andrea Koller
3:35 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"Poverty Credit" is applied when an individual's/family's income is so low they qualify for a full tax refund -- this applies to all low wage earners, regardless of race. And I'm fully aware of diversity movements on campuses because I am currently in the throes of a college hunt with my own child, north and south, coast to coast. My child will undoubtedly be denied admission to certain colleges for various reasons, and I don't begrudge accepted students and blame them and their families for my child's denial. Diversity is a buzzword that means many things other than race. My point is that my whiteness (and the previous author's) does not ensure me favor in society -- I am not entitled to any more or subjected to any less because of my light-colored skin. But what I will always support is providing opportunity to members of my community who have the cards stacked against them.
4:01 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Paul, I'm an interested and concerned citizen, just like you (presumably). I also don't like to mislead people by pointing out the "other" taxes that people pay when the bill in question requires only that the parents FILE a Maryland tax return, not have taxes withheld or ultimately paid. http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/chapters_noln/Ch_191_sb0167E.pdf - check pages 3 and 4. I believe this is the final language in the bill that was passed and signed by the governor.
Nice little diversion there on the taxes that other people pay - if you don't have a valid, sustainable argument, divert attention. Good try, too bad it didn't work.
Other Tim
10:04 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Paul, you said "A tax system where a presidential candidate who makes $20+ million a year can take advantage of tax laws passed to benefit the wealthy and only pay a 14% federal income tax rate has something very wrong with it."
To me, that means he paid about $3,000,000 in Federal Taxes. (Probably more than Obama.)
Some say "Fair Share". I say "Enough is Enough".
Other Tim
7:59 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Romney made more money because he has had real jobs. Obama never has. Romney takes advantage of legal tax laws. Why is that wrong? Maybe Romney has Swiss bank accounts and offshore IRA's because they offer better returns. It would be stupid to not find the best return for your money. Don't you? You said you are a CPA. Don't you have a responsibility to help people save money on taxes and invest wisely? And, again, Romney paid $3,000,000 in Federal Taxes. Three million dollars!!
B Allen
11:05 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
well, when you have someone like Mitt Romney who PAYS his taxes on earned income and dividends,etc vs an illegal who is NOT supposed to be working legally in the USA but collects money from places like MD, that illegal does not pay earned income tax because they are geting that money illegally (as per all the crimes against the people of MD by the dems in MD). Now paying sales tax does not count. Quit trying to spin the facts. All I know is almost $2B/yr goes to illegals in MD. Can't you get that fact through your head. Cross the river into mexico illegally and demand an entitlement, see where that lands you...a nice mexican jail.
Other Tim
2:27 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The article above says "...in this country illegally or are considered undocumented immigrants". What's the difference.
One thing that really confuses me is the argument that these kids deserve an education. They already received an excellent education through O'Malley's award winning high schools. Where is it written that they must have a college degree to succeed in life?
Corbin Dallas Multipass
2:42 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
The point of encouraging individuals to go through college is to grant them access to higher paying jobs over the course of their lifetime, contributing more in taxes than what is originally put in. http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/moneymatters/a/edandearnings.htm
And again, as Andrea pointed out, these are people that have proven they can succeed by obtaining an associates degree by attending community college for two years. None of them are granted direct admittance to a four year university.
Other Tim
9:56 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
As I say below: where will they get these higher paying jobs? It's illegal for USA employers to hire illegals, no matter how educated.
2:40 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
""The Law is the law" and the DREAM Act is the law."
No its not law! As soon as the Md State Board of Elections certified the signatures on the petitions, the law was negated until the voters have their say on Nov 6. Then the voters decide and whatever the vote is, so be it. Petitioning the government for a redress of our grievances is a fundamental right no one can take away.
2:41 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Lots of discussion for only 1%. With this law Pros will be bettering only 1% of students' lives (their calculations), and without it Cons will be holding back the same 1%. If only 1% of drivers sped, there would not have been speed camera legislation enacted. If only 1% of people texted while driving there would not have been support in Annapolis for anti-texting laws. Rarely is any law enacted that is designed to affect only 1% of the population. We all know damn well that the Pro's calculations are mis-leadingly low, because they wouldn't be pushing this hard for only 60 potential students. This law is simply cracking the door a bit to let in the cool breeze and waiting for the storm winds to blow it of the hinges altogether. 1% this year 20% next year. Yes, there are that many illegals in our country.
2:53 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Sometimes it's just a matter of doing the right thing no matter how few people it affects.
4:31 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Loving people bring 14 inch pizzas to 700lb people loved ones who are basically welded to their mattress, thinking it's the compassionate 'right thing' to do, but in the long run is just the opposite. The fact is you can't buy the world a Coke, though it made a bunch of hippys feel good thinking about it.
5:00 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
But we can show our manly ways by bombing the heck out of them.
B Allen
11:54 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Steve, what are you some kinda idiot??? oh wait, you are. MAJORITY rules and the people of MD get to vote and NOT have the spoiled liitle brat liberals in MD legislature tell us what we should or should not do, If you need the government to tell you what to do then go to Cuba, it is not ging to happen here. You people will not be empowered any longer when the guy in the white house is sent packing in Nov.
Matt M
3:06 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
"Karina is a "Dreamer." She says she's not the only one."
Please start more articles with classic song lyrics.
That is all!
Andrea Koller
3:39 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
....I hope some day you'll join us, and the world will be as one.
3:12 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve. You talk about doing the right thing. The right thing is to not support ILLEGALS for any reason. You have it backwards. People come here illegally and it's on us to do the right thing. The right thing is to send them back when we find them here ILLEGALLY! WOW!
4:00 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Have you ever been to the Statue of Liberty? What does it say?
3:27 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
FIFA. There you go calling names. You sign the front of paychecks. Big deal so do I. If you feel that strongly about aiding ILLEGALS then sign the front of a personal check and pay for it yourself. While you're at it, get Steve and some of these others that feel the same way and you can form an organization that pays the bill for ILLEGALS. ILLEGAL MEANS ILLEGAL!!! Who's the moron?
3:35 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Crayon John, must be big crayons the way you wail.
To answer your question, you.
4:32 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
FIFA I gotta go but forward me your info so that the next time I'm at Home Depot in the morning and I enter the parking lot and get swarmed by the undocumented/illegals/immigrants/new americans/day laborers or whatever name you wish to attach to them, I can pass your info out as a guy who cares and wants to help and likes to sign the front of checks.
4:39 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Have a nice day.
First you guys complain about people getting welfare who don't want to work.
Then you complain about guys begging to work.
Which is it?
4:43 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Steve. "Give me your tired , your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" Lets add "So sneak across the border without following the laws of our country and take avantage of the system once you get here, because we have awipes such as Steve and FIFA that welcome all who come here ILEGALLY and break our laws".
4:59 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Only about 50% came here Illegally the rest came here legally and are only visa overstayers which only carries a civil penalty.
Other Tim
7:13 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
First of all, where do you get these statistics? Sound made up to me. Secondly, even if only a civil penalty, still ILLEGAL.
8:15 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
We don't want them locked up (criminal). We want them deported.
B Allen
11:32 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
no problem with those who follow the rules. So all you libs now condone criminal activity? It must be since you keep voting for criminals like OWEmalley, Mikulski, Cardin, Van Hollen and all the other dems running the henhouse.
6:41 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Boy, you work to pay some bills and look what happens.
So many good opportunities to comment.
First, it did not take long until the race card was played. I would turn that around. The true racists are those that still believe the bar must be lowered for a group of people. They must believe they are substandard to white americans and must have their own special set of rules. That is racist. The dems have picked up on these groups because they can trick them to voting for them and start the election with a 10 to 15 percent edge.
White pride? What is wrong with white pride? I am certainly proud of my heritage, which is whte and also Osage Indian. Is Black pride or Mexican pride only allowed? Again, who is the racist here?
Someone said they could not tell an 18 year old illegal they could not go to college here. I certainly could. What I could not do is tell all of those hungry 18 to 20 year old kids, sorry, we have no jobs for you, the illegal aliens have those jobs locked up. Sorry I did not provide to you the opportunity I had when I was your age.
I would like those in education to take the necessary pay cuts so kids could go to school.
Romney and his taxes - he is responsible to pay the legal amount of taxes and not a penny more. If he did that, what is the problem?
Compare that to someone who comes here illegally - their first act on this soil is breaking the law. Apples and hand grenades.
The dream act is going down hard!
Other Tim
7:11 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I have said this before, and I am not quite sure why people don't get it. After the illegal aliens get their college degrees, where will they work? It is against Federal law for any company to hire them.
Why should we pay to educate them if they must go back to the country of their citizenship to work?
7:15 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Obviously you missed the part about the Path to Citizenship.
Andrea Koller
9:36 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
White Pride is a slogan adopted by neo-Nazi and white supremacist organizations such as Aryan Nation. I'm not sure how denying association with that term makes me a racist but think of me what you will.
disco perry
8:53 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
it would be ok only if students from new jersey can get the same break for being american
B Allen
12:47 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Their parents should sue OWEmalley and the republic of MD for in state tuition.
1:03 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
New Jersey is very close to getting it's very own DREAM Act.
B Allen
9:39 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
stevie, again it is the dumbocraps proposing to take more tax dollars to pay for illegals. The majority posting are against it.
Other Tim
12:06 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Steve, please enlighten me on the Path to Citizenship and how it applies to in state tuition. I cannot seem to find a straight answer anywhere.
Bill McAllen
12:13 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
If we are going to crack down on workers from across the borders taking our jobs, money and ladies then we deport Justin Bieber first.
12:43 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
No Bieber is okay. He is a White Guy. the Hate Cult is only worried about the non whites.
B Allen
12:54 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
The LIBs don't get it. Noone is saying they cannot attend MD colleges. What is being said is that the burden should NOT fall on the taxpayers of MD. The initial numbers that the dems siad applied to only ONE community college. They failed to give the number if illegals attended other colleges and how the burden on taxpayers would increase., into the Millions of dollars in lost taxpayer dollars. With that being said, illegals can't work here anyway, just as others that attend colleges here and go back to their own countries after their studies are over. But thenagain, who said any lib dems were able to understand the concets. All they se is what they believe. That is why those nutjobs like Paul, jag, Frank and other like them, troll the comment sections and spew the lies and deciept that they hear from their "saviour" in the white house and others that drink the kool aide...what a bunch if jackasses (you know your party mascot)...
B Allen
6:26 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
No Paul, or is it Saul (alinsky) wannabe. I call it like it is and what it is. I don't beat around the bush, I put the facts out there, maybe you should read some of the info instead of trying to be a "good little paryt member". You leftists are the ones that like to put people in categories, I am doing the same here, not calling anyone names. All the categories seem to fit. You just don't like the facts that I give becuse the truth hurts and I bet you are squirming in your seat right about now...it is fun to watch you people squirm. I have called quite a few right to their face, i don't have to do it from the shadows and i was the one still standing.
B Allen
11:30 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
nice try again Saul...and my neighbors are tired of seeing their taxes being raised and paying for this crap...
9:27 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Interesting to see you call people who disagree with you "nutjobs" and "jackasses" in one post, and then reply to your own post a few hours later by saying "I am...not calling anyone names." Maybe you should re-read your own posts before making that claim. If you want to claim the high road, you have to actually walk on it.
12:56 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
The level of discourse in these comments is truly astounding. I've heard more intelligent exchanges on the playground of my children's elementary school.
1:25 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Yes it has. And it's always the same few juveniles name calling. These guys should just meet up at a local pub for a couple of beers or a nearby hooka bar to smoke a few dubbies with each other. They may come to some more peaceful adult argeements.
B Allen
5:44 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Bottom line, Let EVERYONE that attend MD colleges pay In State tuition, then the taxpayers of MD will just have to pay higher taxes to make up the difference in the costs. Why would anyone think that allowing (lets just keep the term illegal out of the equation) people who ARE NOT citizens of the USA and therefore ARE NOT REAL residents of MD, to pay IN STATE tuition? Hell, Lets have the people from England, Germany, Italy, Spain, North Africa, South Africa, India, Iran, etc that attend the colleges in MD pay IN STATE tuition. I guess that would only be fair, but don't complain when your taxes go up to fund the higher educational system.
B Allen
9:08 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
PA, your comments are dumb at best. Read what I wrote. MD dems wants to foot the bill even if an illegal jumps the fence, comes to MD and wants to go to college, without having to pay any taxes. Now I made it more of an elementry school level statement for you to understand. If you cannot understand, I will try to even lower myself to your kindergarten level mentality.
B Allen
11:28 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Hey Saul Alinsy, opps sorry Paul see your are getting your panties all wadded up because you have been "outed"..I have posted the &1.9B in MD alone numerous times. Go read it.
6:20 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
"Paul Amirault
The only request is if you pay taxes to Maryland as a resident you qualify for in-state tuition"
The law does not say anyone must pay taxes. That was the ORIGINAL bill but git taken out and reworded to 'must file taxes' and enen then may file back taxes if they never filed to begin with for those years required. That opens the question, will they then get a special break form the IRS for not filing taxes when they had income to declare? Will the IRS give them a benefit you or I would not get if we didn't file taxes for 5 years then filed 5 years of back taxes?
9:32 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Paul Amirault, the self appointed Language Nazi is here to show us all how superior in typing he is.
9:37 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Paul Amirault, you stated a falsehood and now you attack typos because you were wrong?
You stated "The only request is if you pay taxes to Maryland" and I pointed out that that is NOT what the law say and you can't admit you were wrong even without typos. Admit you were wrong and finally be a man.
Other Tim
10:44 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Paul, you make typos yourself, so don't be so quick to judge.
If you include sales tax, then you are correct, everyone pays taxes. But as I'm sure you know, lots of people pay no income tax, and some even get Earned Income Tax refunds while paying no income taxes.
6:21 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Or will the IRS say they don;t want to hold the children hostage for their parents tax evasion when they go to jail?
B Allen
6:28 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Hey Saul...again you are in lala land. You need to take your ADHD meds so you can focus on what has been said. You comment here is a NO BRAINER DUH, at best. ROFL at your rediculous comment here.
B Allen
6:34 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
if you are from another place, even NJ, you have to pay full price and the taxpayers of MD are not called upon to subsidize your tuition.
6:49 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
That's why they have such things as "instate" tuition and "out of state" tuition.
B Allen
9:00 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
I did not really think you would understand because you libtards only see what you believe. You would NOT recognize the truth if it hit you in the hole in your head where they suck out 98% of your grey matter when you join the dumbocrap party. You are a bunch of wannbees, hacks and has beens defending the corrupt democrap party in MD. Noone really agrees with your stupid comments, I just see you bottom feeders living off each other.
Tim gaucherie
11:15 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
From a parent
My wife and I are fortunate that we have well paying jobs in the private sector. We both would do much better financiaciaially if we moved to another state. Unfortunately we are morally committed to take care of elderly parents and choose to stay in Maryland and suffer the perversion of the system. The Maryland upper education system is totally perverted. We use our tax dollars to build these grandiose campuses and then limit the number of Maryland residents that are accepted and give preference WTO out of state student eats that pay a higher tuition rate. How wrong is that? We pay exhobantly high tax rates to support building a good college system then exclude md residents in favor of out of state students that pay a higher rate?.
That is so wrong!!!!!
Can md continue this extortion of. Higher tax rates and lower delivery of services to tits tax paying residents. Are we just to pay the bill and shut up?
Not me. If I move md will lose over $30,000 in tax revenue.
Wake up md
B Allen
8:56 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Tim, many marylanders are tired of paying higher taxes and getting less in services. These people that continue to live in FAIRYland think they are "entitled" to other peoples' wealth. They continue to post on here defending the corruption of the democraps in MD, their crimes against the people, their "behind closed door" special interest deals (locking out over half of the population in MD and NOT giving us a vote and so on. They seem to want more and more handouts from the government because they are haters and takers, they cannot do nor think for themselves. They hate people who work hard for a living and make a nice income for their family to have a better than average life, because they are too STUPID to be able to do just that. You know their cheif nutjob in the white house just stated all of that Obama's remarks: "If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen." What an idiot, no wonder these people think this way. @Steve, you are an idiot, nice typical comeback from a libtard. (hmmm, I think i will add that one to my categories to describe you people since you have already locked up the race, sexual orientation, gender categories)
10:08 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Lookie here, a moron.
FAIRYland, democraps, NOT, haters and takers, STUPID, cheif nutjob, idiot, libtard.
That's a good dictionary you got.
I think you need to add some Old Bay to that beverage. Hah.
B Allen
10:38 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
FIFA, thats right. I don't use the categories that you people on the left use because you seem to have cornered the market on the terms like , racist, bigot, nazi, race, gender, sexaul orientation... I like the ones I use better because it puts you people in a category that is suited for your mentality, level of intellect, the false comments, total disregard of the facts and figures. Bottom line, We are tired of paying higher taxes especailly for those who think they are entitled just because they came here by jumping the fence, no matter wherre they came from. If they want to go to college in MD and pay full price that is fine, no more gimmes or handouts http://www.fairus.org/news/report-finds-high-cost-for-maryland-from-illegal-immigration
11:12 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
LOL FAIR??? FAIR is part of the Tanton Hate Cult. Asking them what they think about immigrants is like asking the KKK what they think about Black people.
B Allen
11:24 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Nice try Stevie boy. If you actually look at the website, which I know you did not, it is pretty bipartisan. Just people from both parties that want what is right for the American Taxpayers. Just check out the BOD's It is sad that you seem to think that everyone in the democrat party in MD believes all the lies and deceipt that the dem party of MD and those like yourself, PA, Frank, Jag and others post on here. I tend to think that dems could be smarter than that. Well at least the friends I have that are dems are more open minded and can think for themselves and they don't think the way you people on here do. That is why you and the others and I would NEVER get along, because i have NO tolerance for stupidity...FINAL COMMENT. SEE YA, DON'T WANT TO BE YA
11:27 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
It's not "bipartisan" at all. FAIR (and it's sister organizations like NumbersUSA, CIS et al) is an organization founded by White Supremacists for White Supremacists.
B Allen
9:33 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
I have been on that website before. It is a bunch of socialists that are trying to undermine the government in the USA and start a revolution from within. Members of this group have been to the socialist meeting in Venezuala, by invitation of Hugo Chavez. One is in our backyard, the founder of Casa of MD Gustavo Torres. He was a highligted speaker at one of them, as you can see from the socialist communication THE MILITANT. But then again, I am sure you get this newsletter since you are a card carrying socialist. Torres was with some of his favorite "comrads". Part of their plan is to sign up illegals to vote in our elections also, which they did for the 2008 election. Get the facts instead of showing the world how much of a fool you are, have some respect for yourself. http://themilitant.com/2007/7145/714503.html
11:45 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Once again, thisnissuenisnabout legality and economics - not racism. Nobody on the planet has a "civil right" to a college education. Refer to my suggestion above - those who want to support the education of those who are here illegally (whether it's their fault or not) should take steps to raise private dollars to make up the difference between in and out of state tuition. Everyone wins.
11:52 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
If it's not about racism then why is every anti DREAM Act rally almost exclusively attended by bitter, old white people?
Other Tim
4:08 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
You've been to them all? Or is that just a racist presumption?
B Allen
9:25 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Steve, it sounds like you are a racist, among other things. It is about our taxes being misappropriated by the corrupt dems in MD. You will maybe get it one day when you get off of the gvmt payroll, grow up and be a big boy, have a REAL job, a REAL family (which I hope you do not procreate, we do no need more from the bottom of the gene pool) and have 70% of your income (to put it in terms that you might be able to understand, that is $.70 of every $1.00 you make) going to the government. And get out of your fantasy world. Ask you doctor to increase your HALDOL or whatever you take for your psychosis treatment.
11:47 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
By the way - that's called "compromise"- something our leaders don't understand.
12:09 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Steve - I can't speak to others, but I'm not old - I must confess I am white. Most of my friends are middle aged white and black middle class working stiffs and next to none of them support this. Maybe its because we are all kids of WWII vets who worked their asses off. Nothing was handed to them and they worked two jobs to send most of us to college. At some point we have to systematically dismantle the incentives that we provide that encourages illegal immigration. Since it simply isn't feasible to send them back, maybe we can stop making it so tempting. If the folks coming here knew that they wouldn't receive free healthcare, education, and cash work they would think twice. I recognize that the kids in question are not here because of anything that they have done; however, I simply can't justify another tax funded entitlement. This could be taken care of through private donations or sponsorships if people believe in it that strongly.
Arbutus Town Crier
9:50 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
JD1....we are all kids of WWII vets who worked their asses off. Nothing was handed to them and they worked two jobs to send most of us to college. AMEN
12:13 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
As it's been said ad infinitum in this thread it isn't tax funded.
9:34 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Sorry, Steve. There's no canned response to that in their talking points, so they just ignore that tiny little factoid.
1:10 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
But it is yet another incentive to encourage continued illegal immigration - check
As I have stated Paul - if you want to pay the difference between in state and out of state tuition for someone who demonstrates the need and effort - check
1:33 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Paul, Steve, and FIFA and the rest of you who still will not answer the ILLEGAL part of this issue. The people of this country and this state are the most generous people in the world. We give our time, money and lives to help others. But where do you draw the line? Now we need to support the poor, helpless illegals who weren't too helpless to break our laws to come here ILLEGALLY. If you feel this strongly, pay for it yourself and stay out of the taxpayers pocket. And if you still don't understand where it will cost taxpayers anything to offer in-state tuition to ILLEGALS, then just answer this: Why are we supportng ILLEGALS in the first place?
3:14 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
50% of them didn't enter the country illegally.
......and for the umpteenth time (no matter what your Teabagger talking point Memos say) it doesn't cost the taxpayers anything.
3:26 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Steve, you are talking to a Birther in John, he wants to send the President to Kenya.
8:38 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Can Paul, Steve, and FIFA please answer John's questions without name calling?
9:53 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
jnrentz1 - you asked nicely and I'll be glad to repeat previous posts made by numerous DREAM act supporters.
First though, I have a real problem responding to anyone that is a Birther (that is not name calling, it is a person that believes President Obama was not born in Hawaii). John's irrational thought process that arrived at his Birther beliefs results in my giving him zero credibility on any other political issue.
That said, supporters have absolutely no problem allowing students in-state tuition rates for numerous reasons:
1) the students came here because there parents forced them, some were infants.
2) the students must enroll in a community college first and complete 60 hours prior to attending a four year school. Thus they would transfer as a junior subject to the same entry standards as anyone else. For the most part, junior transfer openings exist at almost all 4 year colleges.
3) No different than other people, they must prove their "residency" in the state by parents filing 3 years of income tax returns.
... continued
9:56 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
... continued
4) There is no cost to taxpayers. Opponents like to measure the difference between in-state and out-of-state rates and multiply that by the proposed number of students to come up with a cost. However, community colleges and four year colleges have empty seats, thus any money paid by these students is extra revenue with very minimal cost. If forced to pay out-of-state rates many students will not be able to afford college and not go.
5) Their parents pay gas taxes, sales taxes, and many other fees and costs.
6) If they have not filed tax returns they don't get the in-state rate.
7) The realists understand that the choice to send back 11 million people to wherever is not a choice at all, it is not going to happen no matter how much they wish for it.
8) So our choice is simple, encourage education or discourage education, I'm for education.
So jnrentz1 - there you go - now duck as the spears have been launched and headed this way :-)
9:59 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
PS jnrentz - now count the number of times the word "illegal" will be used in the replies.
1:43 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
John, you as a Birther have Zero credibility and your opinions are accordingly ignored.
Other Tim
4:06 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
It took Obama 3 years to produce a birth certificate, but since Romney will only show one year's tax returns, he is the bad guy?
4:13 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Other Tim, that is just false and you know it. Obama provided the certificate that every other Hawaii born citizen provides for everything. That wasn't good enough for the likes of you and Trump. That is old fashioned BS and I'll call you out for it every time.
People like you want a person to show an ID to vote, but don't want Romney to show tax returns? You are a pathetic hypocrite. One vote versus President of the US. Go away into your Birther Cave. You are a simpleton.
Other Tim
4:16 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Again with the name calling. Guess that proves you are wrong.
4:21 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Lying and misleading makes you a simpleton, your failure to acknowledge your lies is simply pathetic. Really makes it difficult for you when someone has facts to dispute your lies.
Sher Katz
3:35 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
For me this is fairly simple. Do you or your parents pay income and or property taxes to the state of Maryland? No? Then you don't get the benefits of being a resident. Yes? Then you can get the discounted rate. I've been paying taxes since I began to work 33 years ago. I pay income and property taxes to Maryland, my children deserve the discount.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
11:11 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Sher Katz, I encourage you to read the law and also look at the below interview for more information regarding the tax regulations. There are strict requirements to ensure that this isn't people who aren't contributing their share of taxes.
The bill as passed (PDF is linked from there): http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/billfile/SB0167.htm
"Well, this bill allows students who attended Maryland high schools for three years and whose parents are guardians or they themselves pay taxes for three years to attend our higher institutions at an in-state rate. But we did do a few things. First, you have to go to community college for two years before attending a four year school. And throughout that time, you have to pay taxes." Anne Kaiser, Maryland State Delegate (D-Montgomery County)
Source: http://thekojonnamdishow.org/shows/2012-01-23/maryland-dream-act/transcript
9:38 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Which is exactly what the DREAM Act is meant to accomplish, although it adds additional restrictions to the children of undocumented immigrants that don't apply to the rest of us. (e.g. the requirement that they attend community college for two years first.)
Other Tim
4:15 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Looks like Paul packed up and went home. Guess he figured Steve and FIFA are doing a good enough job convincing us that throwing money and benefits at illegal aliens is a good thing.
B Allen
9:51 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Bottom line, for those Pro so called dream act, what you are saying is that YOU cannot think for yourself and need the government telling YOU what you need to do and how to run your life. Those opposed to the dream act, what you are saying is that YOU CAN think for yourself and tell those worthless so called "elected officials" that THEY work for us, WE DO NOT have to do as they say. If they get a win here, no telling what they are going to take from us and they will keep taking to feed their need to spend other peoples money and gain more power over the people. That is the bottom line that they want and the reason Agenda21 has been established in MD, without the knowledge of the majority of Marylanders. If you don't know what it is, look it up.
10:16 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
ROTFLMAO "Agenda 21" Another Rightwing Conspiracy Theory.
B Allen
7:56 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
and the dems support it wholeheartedly. The MoCo county council for one has mandated in following it. We know how corrupt and misguided the dems are in MoCo. It is a known fact, just that the people that vote for them are too blind to see, because they only see what they believe.
1:13 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Steve & FIFA support the taxpayers supporting law breakers, but are not willing to pay for it themselves. Typical liberals. Anytime you wish to answer the question "Why are we supporting ILLEGALS in the first place"? Without name calling or diverting the subject I would like to hear it. Otherwise, I'm done with this subect and you who enjoy being used as A@#WIPES by law breakers. I'll wait to see the outcome in November. Hopefully this state isn't infected with too many people (A@#WIPES) such as yourselves, that want to open the floodgates for more ILLEGALS to chose our state to break the law and be rewarded for it. Steve and FIFA and the like - you truly are SH@#paper! WOW!
1:39 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Ah yes another Military veteran hater who couldn't be bothered to read the actual law. If you had you would have noticed the first sentence in the law (which is usually the most important) reads:
"Extending the period within which an honorably discharged veteran must present evidence to qualify for a resident tuition rate; ........"
So pople who support veterans and veterans benefits are now "A@#WIPeS" and "SH@#paper". That says a lot about your character. If you hate this country and it's veterans this much why don't you move......
3:56 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Anyone that is a Birther like you John, has already shown the intellectual capacity of a Dopefish, that is you John the Birther. Your opinions as such are similar to cow pies, they just lay there, smell, and look stupid.
2:44 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
.......and another post gets mysteriously deleted.
If somebody blindly signs a petition to over turn a law without even reading the law, that person definitely isn't the sharpest tool in the shed!
3:16 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
The Dream Act should be defeated. There should be no accommodations for illegal aliens.
All illegal aliens should leave the United States, return to their country of origin, apply for a Resident Visa, and if accepted, return to the United States in a legal manner as legal aliens.
Arbutus Town Crier
4:29 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
The Dream Act should be defeated, Yes agreed but shipping back home is an impossible task. U.S Military to the border to protect from entering illegals and drug trafficking, illegals start 30 day to register for immunity by, 1 - apply for citizenship, complete by current law .2- who refuses apply for citizenship gets deported, 3. common sense required Vs. Political correctness? Common sense will never happen!
7:10 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
FIFA Your over the limit on Birther in one post. Really Seven times ! Gets old , Steve and you Are careful to always get the old Democrat Talking points in .We get it .if we disagree with you were a birther. Stop wasting so much Space. I left you and Peter O'Malley (Steve) on Friday Come back two days later and you two are still spewing hate and calling us all names.You NEVER tell the truth.If you notice the majority doesn't agree with you two .But I guess the TAX IS NOT A FEE Bullying campaign worked once so you'll try it again. We'll see you in November on this .Can we move on ? You haven't convinced one voter .Still do you think calling a person a birther is going to win your cause? Obama is not involved in this discussion until you bring it up . So PLEASE turn the page on your talking points your supposed to be telling us to show our tax returns this week.
8:49 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
small k kevin, see below. Answer the question. There is no over limit for Birthers, they are idiots.
Other Tim
8:07 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Fifa, this is what you have had to say lately:
"Lookie here, a moron."
"You are a pathetic hypocrite."
"Go away into your Birther Cave."
"You are a simpleton."
"I consider Birthers idiots…"
"…shown the intellectual capacity of a Dopefish."
"Your opinions as such are similar to cow pies, they just lay there, smell, and look stupid."
All you can do is name call when backed into a corner and can't think of anything intelligent to add.
9:01 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
PS - all of the the above are not name calling as they ae accurate. If I called you rational and logical, that would be name calling because it would be false. Understand Englsh Other Tim?
8:47 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Other Tim, you have a very simple mind, so let me explain it to you clearly.
Birther = Idiot
Therefore, if you are a Birther, you are an Idiot.
No ifs, ands, or buts. You are an Idiot if that it what you believe.
So, Other Tim, what do you believe? Can you answer truthfully, I sincerely doubt it as you are afraid to disclose to the Patch what you are!?
Other Tim
10:04 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
I believe you have not said an intelligent thing on this post in a couple of days.
I believe you resort to name calling because you don't know what else to say when losing a debate, and feel backed into a corner.
I believe you are the one who said that I was a "birther". I never said that. All I said was "It took Obama 3 years to produce a birth certificate". I just do not understand why it took him so long to put the rumor to rest.
I believe he is a natural born American citizen, since he did finally produce it.
I believe that illegal aliens are not entitled to any of the benefits that US citizens and legal immigrants enjoy, whether they snuck in yesterday, or were brought here illegally 18 years ago by their parents.
I really, truly believe that this will not satisfy you, and fully expect more of your name calling.
10:58 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
I believe you are foolish and all now have seen same. Others may decide.
11:00 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
PS - you also believe the man in the magic underwear will save us all. Mr. Etch-a-Sketch. Hooray!
Michael Brown
8:50 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Thank you Arbutus Town Crier for the great URL for amazingdiscoveries.org. Some of the best propaganda ever! I liked the article about how the bible does indeed recognize that dinosaurs existed by mentioning dragons. I especially loved the discussion on rock and roll where it brings about sexual promiscuity, drug abuse and addiction, love of money, and confused spirituality that causes an infatuation with the occult. So, with those two subjects in mind the discussion on the Jesuits really hit home.
Arbutus Town Crier
1:41 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Did you click on the right link cuz I never saw such a think unless you don't have an open mind and blind to history? With a few hundred years of family being Roman Catholic then the American Catholic . First point you failed was the disclaimer 2nd it has nothing to do with Religion Period!.+ twisting it to your benefit proves the point. CONNECT THE DOTS REPEAT- CONNECT THE DOTS You need to separate the two, a good hint: what is white is black, what is black is white NO religion involved at all GET IT! Get past what they hide behind but pure actions speak volumes Oh and I said open mind? open minds ask questions seeking truth! The S.S. organization had been constituted, by Himmler, according to the principles of the Jesuits' Order.I guess you never talked to a survivor the choice to become catholic or die. I'm sorry but its the truth not of my reading but knowing the people who survived. God, Jesus is of love and nature. not an military order. belief in God is important for a society to live together as he intended. with freedom he endowed to us. Go ahead take your shots at me call me crazy. but for the few that seek truth can connect the dots LOOK farther then just the surface.Its True about NWO but not whom your told was behind it. Geo.Washington was against it but its up to us not to be blinded and let all those lives over the 200 yrs be in vain I'm a tired ole man that knows too much from experiences of life.a failure to learn from the past? good night and God bless
Damien Gibbons
9:00 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Wow. The comments in this post are everything that is wrong with the political arena today. People can't have an intelligent debate without it quickly devolving into insults and wild rhetoric.
No wonder I'm an Independent.
For the record, since I still want to chime in my opinion, I think the DREAM Act is unconstitutional. I don't think anyone's a moron for wanting to support it or oppose it, I just personally don't think it should be legal. My wife used to work for an immigration and refugee aid organization and our hearts are with the millions of people trying to legally immigrate through the incredibly broken system that is U.S. Immigration, but at the same time offering special state-sponsored tuition aid to someone here illegally, regardless of how they got here, doesn't strike me as constitutional.
Many of the kids who'd be seeking this aid were born in this country or came here when they were so young that they had no say in whether or not they crossed into the U.S. legally or illegally, but that doesn't change their status. It's a crap hand to be dealt in life, but as slow and incredibly asinine as the system may be, there are ways to change your status and those should be sought before a person can receive the same rights and benefits as a citizen.
(See? How hard was that? I didn't insult anyone. Just stated a position and my reasoning for it. If it's impossible for you to do the same, kindly bugger off and leave the discussion to the grown-ups).
Corbin Dallas Multipass
11:00 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
"It's a crap hand to be dealt in life, but as slow and incredibly asinine as the system may be, there are ways to change your status and those should be sought before a person can receive the same rights and benefits as a citizen."
Just so we're clear - they are not receiving "the same rights and benefits as a citizen" in the case of the Maryland DREAM Act. In fact, they are receiving distinctly lesser rights because, unlike typical Maryland student citizens, they are forced to undergo far more stringent requirements. Some of those requirements include the student and the parents submitting tax returns, the student attending community college first, and the student obtaining an Associates degree. A regular citizen of Maryland has none of those requirements.
As for constitutionality, I'm curious which specific section you would point to that bars a state's citizen's from changing tuition requirements for students.
I do agree with your opinions (or rather, direct observations of truth?) as to the level of discourse in this thread.
11:28 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Damien, That's going to be lost here, just like in Washington DC.
9:07 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
That's great, I guess you are a constitutional lawyer? Not.
No, they are morons for being Birthers. Are you one?
Funny how will you stick it to another human being because you were lucky enough to be born here. If you go to church, pray for your selfish salvation.
Michael Brown
10:30 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Reading through the threads on this topic I am bowled over by the hate, ignorance, and incivility. It is amazing how disturbed some people get when they believe that someone is benefiting from the law when they are not. Several of the commenters, from both sides, make excellent points. Unfortunately, few are listening or willing to give credence to what was said. The issue of the Dream Act is an issue that deserves real analysis and mature discussion. For all of the derogatory and divisive comments, the issue really affects a lot of people - both directly and indirectly. These children may be students today but they will be American citizens in the near future. I too am concerned about immigration. I'm not happy that Congress will not fix what's broken, will not provide the funds needed to manage the current immigration law effectively or, for that matter, protect our borders. Obama, and Bush before him, manage the programs that Congress created and fund. While each as President determines program priorities, they do so within the laws governing those programs and the funding provided. Whether we wish to recognize these children as Maryland residents will be left up to the voters, a proper process in a democracy. We should however at least recognize that these children were raised as Americans, many only speak English, they were educated in our schools, and when they enter the workforce they will contribute to our society by the work they perform and the taxes they will pay.
9:45 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
I agree with you wholeheartedly that this is a complex issue that "deserves real analysis and mature discussion." Sadly, I think that's too much to hope for on Patch. It's like a train wreck here -- I don't know why I keep allowing myself to be sucked in.
10:38 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
The people opposing the DREAM Act as so dumb they can't even defend their position. The Tea Baggers had to give them a script to read off of.
B Allen
8:02 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
How about this. STOP any handouts of the $1.9Billion of MD taxpayers dollars to illegals in MD, every yr. If that is done, that will filter out the ones that REALLY want to be here and those who know to come here and MD will take care of them. Then start from there. Because you people keep supporting the corrupt MD Dem party and those legislators with a "D" after their names, we will continue to give freebees to illegals and people who don't even want to work. Obama has decreed that, on the welfare system, now people DON'T have to work or look for work when on welfare. That is the democrats way. Take a persons' feeling of self worth away, give them handouts and they will vote for the dems.
Michael Brown
8:21 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Thank you Arbutus Town Crier for your insistence to connect the dots. I actually did. I read the entire site. It is propaganda of the worst form - half-truths, innuendo, and guilt by association. It is well written and researched to produce what that organization wants you to believe is the truth. They have plenty of articles to explain what they believe and the basis of their beliefs, I mentioned only two to help place their drivel in some perspective. There are plenty of web sites, radio stations, and periodicals that spew lies, hate, and distortions of fact and history whether it is politics or religion. Some people are drawn to them because they provide simple answers to complex issues, others are attracted to them because they hear the echo of their own distorted view of the world. You don't even need to look hard to find them. And, you sir, found a gem. There are many more like it. You say, "open minds ask questions seeking truth." It may be useful to follow your own advice.
11:41 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Maryland doesn't payout $1.9 Billion to "illegals". Not even remotely close. Thats another one of the falsehoods floated by the Hate Cult.
B Allen
11:55 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
Stevie boy, "Maryland doesn't payout $1.9 Billion to "illegals". Not even remotely close. Thats another one of the falsehoods floated by the Hate Cult."
Looks like yet another statement from you foolish and ill informed left wingers. Funny how you continually make yourself and others like you look like fools, because you are NOT armed with any facts, just spew hatred and lies. Have some respect for yourself. Get a life. once again you have shown your ignorance to the facts. It is a KNOWN fact that almost $2Billion is spent on illegls in MD on housing, food, healthcare, education, and all other costs. I know people that are here illegally and get funding, but we are not supposed to know that, the dems try to hide it. Just look how much casa of md gets from the taxpayers. there is a start. They get it from MoCo, mikulski, Cardin, van hollen and the democrat legislators in MD. Again, it is a KNOWN FACT,
1:30 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I have noticed that if you use words like "KNOWN" and "KNOWN FACT" they must be true apparently. I think it is the all caps that does it.
B Allen
8:03 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Frank and FIFA, yeah see you have no facts once again. Don't you just hate it when the truth comes out and you people are there looking like "deer in the headlights". Fools.
Michael Brown
11:54 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
I want to thank all of you who actually provided urls that discuss your points in greater detail. The FAIR site, provided by B Allen, was very interesting and had some good information - I also read their report indicating that 74% of the $1.9 billion is due to education costs. Of course these costs have nothing to do with Republican or Democrat ideals, they are required under international obligations for human rights (education and health). While there is more fact than fantasy at the FAIR site, there is indeed some fantasy associated with their assumptions. But even if racism is their motivation, as the link provided by Steve indicates, the information provided is useful. B Allen's url about the Venezuela International Book Fair discussion is meaningless, it must have been a slow news day for the socialist newsweekly to even cover it. I'm more impressed that B Allen found it as I would discount just about anything the publisher printed - but it does take perseverance to search out relevant facts. Corbin Dallas Multipass provided some useful urls though not nearly as entertaining as some. I did get a kick out of the Potomac Tea Party Report. Unfortunately other than cost, which is important, none of these really help me understand the issues. Only the FAIR report provides an estimate of $12 million per year for the costs of DREAM. As budget items go that's inexpensive. I guess it depends whether it's an investment or a cost.
12:36 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
But if you listen to FIFA he clearly points out this only deals with only around 60 to 70 students so why is $12 million inexpensive? If FIFA is telling us the truth wouldn't it be better to hire these 60 students and just give them $100,000 jobs doing nothing but writing pro Dream and Democratic blogs ? We'd save $6 million and since they are uneducated and don't speak English maybe they could give us a more intelligent defense of the act than Steve O'Malley and FIFA.
3:17 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Michael Brown:
I read in your comment:: "But even if racism is their motivation, as the link provided by Steve indicates, the information provided is useful."
Do you have an opinion on the group La Raza? Do you consider La Raza to be racist?
B Allen
8:00 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Michael, it is a well known fact that in MoCo, they have been supporting illegals for years. I don't nkow how you came up with the "racism" factor, unless you believe what the left wing nutjobs throw out there, but racism has NOTHING to do with it. I know people here illegally and they get ALL "freebees". One woman who I totally adore and her daughter and my daughter are good friends, has been here now for 16 yrs illegally. She does not work legally (10 hrs a week or so cleaning houses for a couple of people and gets paid under the table), has 3 children and a nephew. She told me she gets her townhouse, health needs, welfare for food, the kids get reduced meals at school, utilities all paid for by Montgomery County. Hell, she even has cablevision and had a HDTV 5 yrs before I bought one. She pays for the cable and bought the TV on the wefare money she gets. NOW IS THAT FAIR TO ANY MD TAXPAYER WORKING HARD EVERY DAY AT A FULL TIME JOB? If you think it is, then maybe you need to move to Greece or Spain or Venezuala and get their socialist handouts.
12:06 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
If it is a "known fact" then it should be really easy to post a link to this "known fact".
B Allen
2:01 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012
Stevieboy, I have posted the info, you are just too dumb and lazy to read it. All you want to post is socialist blogs that have no fact and loaded with false info. What I do know is that you continue to make yourself look like a fool and have NO respect for yourself. Guess you are another one that gets his rocks off at being humiliated.
B Allen
12:14 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Michael, when our taxes are raised more and more, our services are cut back more and more. When more and more income is given to people here illegally and it does not matter where they are from, it is NOT an investment. It is a burden on ALL taxpayers in MD. The monies that illegals will not have to pay take those dollars away from the taxpayers. I say fill all those positions with out of state students and that will bring more money into the higher educational system. Also, it has been a known fact for years that taxpayer dollars pay for people here illegally. Just look at what Ike Leggett did when he got elected. He went back on a promise, thumbed his nose at the MoCo residents and used taxpayer dollars to build "day labour" sites, when the people of MoCO siad they did not want taxpayers dollars to be spent on that. Oh how people forget.
12:21 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
LOL Another "known fact". Your nose is growing Pinocchio.
Michael Brown
12:42 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Let's assume for the moment that we actually fully fund the government's immigration, customs, and border security programs to do what we say we want done. What will that cost us in taxes? How much larger will the government need to be to ensure zero tolerance? Let's assume that no new undocumented foreigners are able to overstay their visas or are successful in getting into the country. What do we do with the undocumented workers who have been here 5-10-20 years and more? Are we going to deport the parents of U.S. born children? What about the non-U.S. born children who only know life as it is in America? And, if they are going to stay do we want to welcome them or treat them with scorn? The issue about cost and investment with regards to the DREAM Act has to do with our future. These young adults, whether they go to college or not, whether they get a break on the college tuition or not are going to remain in the U.S. I have been taxed all of my working life to pay taxes for your children's education and simply put, I do not feel I got my money's worth. When I hear about how some children crave an education, understand the value of education, and are willing to jump through arbitrary hoops to get an education, I tend to be sympathetic. But sympathy doesn't translate to paying more in taxes or getting less of something else as an offset.
Michael Brown
12:45 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Dear Arbutus Town Crier, I have no clue what the url you provided was supposed to show. The url timed out and is no longer available. If you will provide the search criteria you used I can access the National Archives myself.
Michael Brown
12:51 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
DawnP, you said that you didn't know why you keep allowing yourself to be sucked in. I know. Its like the childhood story of the little girl looking through the pile of manure searching for the promised poney. Hope springs eternal. You just hope that there was less manure or a bigger poney.
1:07 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
FAIR pretty much just makes stuff up. Then the other parts of the Hate Cult keep referring to it in their "studies". They think that enough people repeat the lie then somehow it will become the truth.
Arbutus Town Crier
5:33 pm on Saturday, July 28, 2012
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis .gov is what you may want....Maybe not?
1:14 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
If you want to see how the fake "known fact" of $1.9 Billion was ginned up by the Hate Cult..........
Michael Brown
3:48 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Steve, I read the "FAIR" report and yes it has several poorly supported assumptions throughout. But the basic logic provided is sound. It is saying that if our past immigration control had been perfect so that there were no illegal immigrants, we would not be paying $1.9 billion annually for the support of illegal immigrants or their children. That is indisputable, if there were no illegal immigrants, there would be no children, etc., etc. But it does not address the reality that exists. Immigration control and border security will never be perfect, so how do you address the status quo? This is a question that every nation addresses on a regular basis. Most civilized nations seem to address it differently than those less civilized.
6:14 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
4:20 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
We are not paying $1.9 Billion. It's a fabricated number.
What is the correct cost?
6:34 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
jnrentz1, presume the FAIR number is 100% accurate. That number is 1/20 of 1% of the entire federal annual expenditures. Why is so much noise made about such an insignificant number. I propose the answer is self-evident.
B Allen
7:45 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
FIFA "That number is 1/20 of 1% of the entire federal annual expenditures. Why is so much noise made about such an insignificant number. I propose the answer is self-evident."
Looks like you had your kool-aide today... We are talking about $1.9B to taxpayers in MD. Again, you people give don't have a clue. That is $1.9B taxpayers dollars taken from ALL taxpayers in MD. Multiply that out by 50 states, The number has been going up year after year. Get the facts before you make yourself out as a fool. Have some respect for yourself. The USA ALREADY sends BILLIONS (our taxdollars, not Obamas money, which some of you probably think that) in foreign aide to countries, why should we be supporting them being here illegally? If you people earn an income and want to give your money to them fine, but i am sick and tired of paying more in taxes and getting less in services that I am paying for. Bottom line ALL taxpayers are getting ripped off, even you loser dems, who just don't get it.
B Allen
7:50 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
oh FIFA, don't try to "spin" my words and facts, you will lose every time. BTW, you talk "big" saying you have a "carry" permit.... people like you are ALL talk. I have sen more and experienced more by the time I was 23 and in the Army during Vietnam, then you ever will in your lifetime. pissant.
B Allen
2:05 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012
Steve, you have no clue. You post a website that tries to spin the facts and the figures. Call Pat McDonoughs' office and he will give you the numbers. $1.9B is the right number.
1:28 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Only one way to settle the debate at this point: Perry Hall HS parking lot. Hate Cult vs Dreamers. Last man standing wins. No chains or knives however Hate Cult may pack heat if in posessiion of a valid carry permit.
1:32 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Some of us Dreamers have carry permits also, but first let me get my 100 round clip and bring 6,000 rounds of ammunition with me.
They wouldn't give me the permit for the 50 cal machine gun though, dang it.
2:20 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Is that a 50 cal in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
3:09 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Thank you for a polite response to my earlier question.
Michael Brown
3:34 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Hi jnrentz1, to answer your question I need more information. I don't speak Spanish and the only English sites I found on La Raza spoke of justice, racial pride, and one site that hinted that it was racist. Wikipedia indicates the term has been used to indicate ethnic pride, but I found no movement or coordinated efforts regarding La Raza. Wikipedia also states, "In Latin America, depending on the location, it may primarily emphasize Spanish and European heritage, and/or the family, such as the name Dia de la Raza to mark the arrival of Christopher Columbus to America. In other Latin American contexts, it is used more expansively to describe the race formed by the fusion of White people, Native American and African peoples in Latin America. In this way, "La Raza" symbolically means "the people"." But I tend not to base my judgments on Wikipedia. Please provide me more information. And tell me how La Raza figures into any of this.
4:03 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Thank you for your response. La Raza or "The Race," has been representing Latinos for some years now, advocating on behalf of that population group. La Raza supports programs that seek the betterment of Latinos. I am suspicious of groups that advocate on behalf of an identifiable group based on race, and/or ethnicity.
6:41 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
FIFA and steve o' malley are now attacking birthers, yet they mysteriously leave out the facts of that case. It was a democrat in hillary clinton whose lawyer filed lawsuits to get an injunction to prevent jimmy obama from getting the democratic party nomination. the dnc and several other organizations were mentioned in the lawsuit. So according to steve and fifa, all democrats are morons. I could not enthusiastically agree more. That would encompass paul the limousine liberal, frank the farce, steve omalley the relative of the governor, and fifa of the racist fiefdom.
6:46 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
The snail awakes, a Birther himself. The only thing lower than a Birther is one who collects payments from the government for cancer screenings and then complains about getting paid. The Snail.
9:30 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
OT, you get what you tolerate, I don't tolerate the snail, goes back any moons,see who posted junk first? It did.
B Allen
7:33 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Escariot, they (dems) are morons. They cannot think for themselves, just look at the rediculous comments they post here. The LOVE to put people into categories but don't like the categories I put them in. I think the categories I use are more appropriate, descriptive and specific. Not general terms that they use. Lets see how this gets their "panties all wadded up"
6:56 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
"Attacking"??? I just said that the "Agenda 21" nut jobs are the new "Birthers".
B Allen
7:30 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Stevie, tell the like od Leggett, your village idiot brother OWEmalley and the likes, that they are birthers also. They are the ones pushing for for this UN action plan. You don't even know what it is. See how you make a fool of yourself every time you post something. I feel sorry for you because you have NO respect whatsoever for yourself. You are SOOOOOOO stuck on stupid it is unreal. Maybe you need to get your meds increased also when Stevie goes to see his "shrink"
11:10 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Hey I got a great idea! Lets spend $30k of the taxpayers money to fly in a phony English Lord to explain what this vast UN conspiracy is all about!
Michael Brown
7:04 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
jrentz1, I find it unfortunate that people have to find comfort in being a part of a racial, gender, class, or any other group. I think its great that such groups can celebrate their likeness but it often does so from the perspective of victim. I believe that this is basic human psychology and group behavior. By defining themselves in contrast to others it may create a sense of "them and us" which is not helpful for them or us. We see it in the ugliness of the current party politics where it is more important to ensure that the other party fails than that we all succeed. We see it in religion and even in economic classes. There is much to be proud of in Latino, African, European, or any other heritage, but in the end each individual must be true to themselves regardless of group identification. Each individual must determine how best to move forward.
7:21 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Mr. Brown, your Utopia ignores the simple fact that most humans behave like tribes. We are descendant from animals although we are more vicious. We kill indiscriminately. We hate those unlike us. The big difference between animals, is many humans believe in an almighty being. The animals don't. Funny contradiction. But then again, maybe the bunny believes in an Easter Bunny.,
8:31 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I contend we are 90% chimp and 10% honey bee. Think about it ...
9:36 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
FIFA is no different than any other liberal in that facts are like kryptonite. Notice how they have no reply to the lawsuits by hillary's lawyer to prevent obama from getting the democratic nomination based on his lack of usa citizenship. It is okay FIFA, we see plenty of individuals like yourself on msnbc spouting lies like the edited 911 call by Zimmerman. As long as you and Paul and Steve o'malley all hold hands and click your ruby heels together and repeat "illegals are not illegally in the country" i am sure you will feel better. Meanwhile, the rest of us will simply vote out jimmy obama and prevent perks like instate tuition.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
10:20 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
That lawsuit was dismissed and never heard before a court. Pointing to it as if a court gave any legitimacy to the claims contained within the suit is absurd, as they in fact did no such thing:
"We therefore find that Plaintiff's attempt to use these statutes to gain standing to
pursue his Natural Born Citizen Clause claim are frivolous and not worthy of discussion."
also reported by: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=DN&s_site=philly&p_multi=PI|DN&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=1240BB2E9051B818&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM
9:39 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Crickets again Frank? Care to dispute the fact that there were actual lawsuits?
Michael Brown
10:50 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Escariot, I don't understand the point you're trying to make. There was a law suit filed in court in 2008, it was dismissed. It was filed by the same person who filed suits against President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, claiming they knew about the Sept. 11, 2001 prior to the attack. There are many frivolous lawsuits filed regularly. The fact that it was filed by H. Clinton's former attorney appears to be more about a grudge than anything else. I don't understand how this is an issue here. Also having questions about Obama's birthplace may have been appropriate at one time, but when even the State of Hawaii has confirmed multiple times his birth there, then believing the opposite does open one to some derision. The same derision I hold for anyone believing that President Bush knew that the Twin Towers were going to be attacked. Doesn't make them bad people, just something is not right with them.
10:23 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I thought they came here to do the jobs Americans won't do? So you mean to tell me an illegal alien who graduates from college with the help of in-state tuition is going to be a laborer or a busboy or mow lawns? Yeah, right. They're going to compete for already scare jobs with legal citizens. Deport, not SUPPORT, illegal aliens! Show the GA they are here to represent us, not O'Malley.
12:11 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Illegals do the jobs Americans "won't do" because illegals don't care for humanitarian things like...benefits.
See, in the end, its all about business greed. Businesses in general could give a flying f*** about their employees. It's only when it makes them money do they care.
It's why they pay slave labor in third world country, pay 50 cents to make a pair of 100 dollar sneakers.
Don't worry though, Big Oil's making money hand over fist. They always do.
B Allen
7:24 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Tim, you make NO sense whatsoever. Tell your psych that your delusions of grandeur have been occuring more often and to increase your meds. It is NOT about businesses, it is about ALL taxpayers in MD paying for illegals to be here. One day you will be a big boy (or girl if you change your gender, well if you really are a boy) and you just might get the picture, when you are paying $.70 on every dollar you earn to the government, just like they do in socialized societies in Europe.
B Allen
8:41 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
@Frank, I rest my case...you have managed to make yourself out to be a fool once again, with your richard cranium like statement. I bet you get your "rocks" off thinking you are smart... Guess you have not taken your meds yet either.
8:01 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
@michael brown and corbin dallas, my point was never the validity of the lawsuit. The point of posting that is it proves fifa and stevie to be hypocrites. They post that "birthers" are morons and the scum of the earth with no credibility, yet the origin of the birther movement arose out of that lawsuit. Therefore according to them, all dems and supporter of dems are morons because that is where the birther movement originated. Also, notice how frank blatantly stated that the lawsuit never took place, and has not posted since that has been proven false. Truth to liberals is like kryptonite to superman.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
9:04 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Saying a lawsuit took place because one was filed and dismissed is like saying a party occurred just because you sent out invitations but then cancelled it.
Also, that's not how set theory works; you can think some democrats are imbecilic who are birthers without implicating all democrats. For your logic to work someone would have had to say all republicans were "morons" because some birthers were republican. Maybe someone did, this thread is ungodly long, but I must have missed that.
Michael Brown
11:43 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Corbin Dallas Multipass, why would you ever think it appropriate to bring up set theory in this forum? To appeal that fundamental principles of logic be used is probably to much to ask. For some people all Democrats are the same others feel likewise about Republicans. Clearly, you are not going to change that basic "them and us" paranoia.
B Allen
8:36 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
All the dems are trying to do is create yet another group or class of people that feel they are entitled to REAL taxpayers dollars and that the government should carrythem from cradle to grave. Just look what welfare and affirmative action has done to blacks, 14% unemployment, 26% for balck youth. Lack of education, menial jobs, many in jail, drug addiction, should I go on? and now NObama wants people on welfare to jus sit back and collect welfare, they don't have to work nor look for a job. Sounds likethey want to increase the number of good little party comrads out there http://www.runawayslavemovie.com/
B Allen
9:55 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
@Frank, typical, you mouth off without even looking at what this was. Oh and your cooment that you took down, I guess you realized all that you put on there was how the dems were and are the true racists. that is why many blacks are leaving the party also. They are finding out how you people like to control them and they want no parts of it.
B Allen
9:54 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
Frank, you are such a nitwit. Oh yeah, you ask about how many blacks are leaving the dem party, I could care less. The big question is, how many are NOT falling for the Bullcrap you libtards come up with. Ask how many of the 15% of unemployed blacks or 50 to 60% black youth are unemployed under nobammies watch? Better yet, ask all the blacks in DC who want to have their children go to charter schools and get vouchers, when Nobama admin stabbed them in the back not allowing them school vouchers. You people would not even know the facts, figures and truth if it hit you right between the eyes, as I do. Everyone go see this movie. Call Pat Mcdonoughs' office if you want the REAL TRUTH, these guys here, Frank, FIFA (you can tell he is a illegal), jag(off), Michael B and others http://www.theycometoamerica.com/
9:36 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Sorry Corbin, but your statement is not how real life works. Even though dismissed, that lawsuit was the first formal challenge to barack obama being a us citizen and thus having the legal right to hold the office of president. That challenge came directly from the camp of hillary clinton, who is now the secretary of state. So in effect, for people like frank and steve and fifa to criticize birthers, they also need to criticize the entire clinton democratic machine for its origin. Hypocritically, they do not do so. Also sir, you did not read the lawsuit or the reasons for dismissal. The dismissal was not based on lack of evidence, but based on the party suing not having the qualifications of aggrieved status because obama had not been elected into office and the fact that the judge ruled that congress had jurisdiction over whether or not to enforce his eligibility. so that sir is vastly different than your invitation theory. Also, i cannot help but notice that frank "non-existent lawsuit" kad is wrong once again.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
9:56 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Why the party is cancelled isn't important silly.
Please show something that links Berg "directly to the camp of Hillary Clinton". Even conservapedia only lists him as just a supporter: http://conservapedia.com/Phillip_Berg
11:02 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
The Snail speaketh more lies.
A Birther is one, who still today, believes our President was not born in Hawaii. I present to you The Snail. His best buddy in life is Orly Taitz, Queen of Birthers.
The problem The Snail as a Birther has is that it loses credibility in everything else it crawls under. As long as it is a Birther it will be identified as such, the label sticks.
11:03 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
PS Snail - you are in a hole for all to see, stop digging, you are not getting out so easily.
Michael Brown
11:42 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Escariot is correct in repeating the reason why the law suit was dismissed. Lack of jurisdiction does not address the "merits" of the original lawsuit. However, the confirmation by the State of Hawaii that Obama was indeed born there does directly address the issue. There is no merit in the ascertion that Obama was not born in the U.S. At that point the issue should have gone away. Unfortunately, the conspiricists are attracted to it like a magnet. I appreciate Frank's clarification that the attorney was not in the employ of H. Clinton. I should have recalled the Washington Times article that B Allen kindly provided that clearly indicated Mr. Berg was only a supporter. Escariot's lecture about the real world has a ring of truth to. People do judge the whole based on the actions of one. Note how the unthinking actions of a few marines urinating on their dead enemy bodies caused many unthinking people to judge our entire military presence as having the same level of disrespect. The same thing happened with the unfortunate and accidental burning of the Quran in Afghanistan. Ignorant people tend to judge our entire military, all Democrats, all Republicans, etc., etc. on the actions of a few morons. It is nearly impossible to educate people to look beyond the few but obvious morons when they prefer to remain ignorant.
Michael Brown
10:40 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
B Allen, actually if you reread the posts, you will note that I did not bring up the racism factor. Steve provided a url to an article that detailed what was considered racism as a motivating element to FAIR. What I said is even if FAIR is racist that the report stands on its own and deserves to be evaluated impartially. I try to carefully choose my words and respect others. Unfortunately that is not the practice here. If this "friend" of yours is getting all of the freebies you claim then file a complaint, take it to court, call the newspapers, follow-up on your responsibility as a citizen. To simply harangue others because you feel somehow victimized by the government will never solve the problem. Get involved with government, actually attend the meetings and make yourself heard where it counts. You should also tell your friend what you think, how she is stealing from you and other citizens who earn their income legally.
11:16 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Another denizen of "rainbow world" rearing its ugly head. Gee mister brown, maryland is known as a "sanctuary state" because: A) It works closely with ICE and homeland security to deport all known illegals B) it only deports violent criminals and ignores all other illegals C) it actively engages in checking the citizenship status of those in question during traffic stops or complaints D) there is a process actively engaged in reporting non-citizens so that they can be deported. In your rainbow world mister brown telling an illegal how they are breaking the law will make them magically deport themselves instead of taking advantage of the sanctuary state here in maryland.
Michael Brown
10:57 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
B Allen, you frequently mention socialism in your posts. Your fear or hate of socialism is misplaced. There are many definitions of socialism including political and economic. But basic socialism is simply the practice of sharing social costs across the population through taxes. It includes: free libraries, free schools, free highways, social security, medicaid, medicare, national parks, wildlife refuges, national forests, a standing army, care for veterans, and any other service or benefit we enjoy as citizens for which we pay taxes. Socialism can work well in highly capitalistic countries such as Germany, England, Australia, Canada, and many others. And it fails miserably under communism which is primarily a political system. When you pay for car, health, or life insurance you are paying for a socialized benefit through a privately owned company. The pool of subscribers is smaller which increases cost and a profit must be provided to the owners which also increases cost. From the perspective of the clients the costs of a benefit is spread across all of the fees paid by the other clients - socialism. Can it go too far, you bet. It went too far in Greece, Portugal, Italy, and others. It is not a science, it is an attempt by government to provide for its citizens. I believe that it goes too far when a family that can afford cell phones for all of the children, flat screen TV, and cable service can still be classified as poor.
B Allen
9:45 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
MB don't try to spin it. You are way off base, but in your little peabrain along with your circle jerk buddies, you think you have it right. You people are so misguided. You make fools of yourself every time you post something here. No wonder your ignorant leader make the statement about businesses not building it themselves. You dumbshits actually believe that? What idiots you are, ask Steve Jobs (oh wait you can't) well then ask Steve W. if Steve had the government build his business for him. Ask Bill Gates if the government helped him with his code when creating Microsoft, I think not. Why are most of the countries you mentioned broke? You did not mention Greece, Spain, Portugal, etc because their socialist makeup if bankrupting them. Get a life. You libtards just don't get it. @Frank, once again you make a nitwit statement and make a fool of yourself. You are such a horses ass thinking I have worked for the gvmt or a contractor? Never have, never will. Free market, capitalist business owner and job creator here, without ANY money from the government, built the business on my own dime. You people are just jealous because you are incapapble of doing something like that.
11:20 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Patiently waiting for FIFA to explain why jimmy obama has spent more than 2 million dollars in legal fees to prevent his birth certificate and social security records from being accessed. Or even his college records? When one protests too much.......
Michael Brown
11:54 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Escariot, please provide the source for your assertion. I too am interested in these legal fees you speak of. I am also interested in any documentation of any efforts to keep these records from being accessed. Also, I am interested in whether anybody's records can be easily accessed, including social security information. Its bad enough that the government has this private information, I didn't know that we needed to hire attorneys to protect it from public view.
11:37 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
First, Birther Snail
1) there is no such person
2) Not true.
3) How many tens of millions Romney paid to hide his income from the IRS? How many tens of millions in taxes has he avoided?
11:48 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Actually it is true. The cost alone for jimmy obama having all his college records including thesis papers along with grade school records is in the millions. Lastly, Romney reported 20 years of returns to McCain when vetted as a vp candidate. Who has Obama released his records to?
11:51 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Reporting to McCain, huh, and he didn't get picked either, you got the other winner, remember. Forgetful Snail.
Obama has been vetted, it is done, over with, final,etc. Romney has not. Let go of the banana.
1:12 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
How does Romney giving McCain 20 years of tax returns and then McCain selecting a truly embarrassing candidate (Palin) OVER Romney prove something positive about Romney's tax returns? We all know why they're being withheld. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. What on earth are you rambling about Obama's homework for? WTF do you want to know about his "grade school records" for? You want to know how well he did in P.E. in the 2nd grade? That's how desperate you are for some dirt on the guy or are you just obsessed with him?
12:56 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
LOL, I'm so glad I checked back on this thread. Someone STILL thinks Obama isn't American? That he hasn't produced a birth certificate? And he's a socialist Muslim too, right?
Honestly, i really hope these people are largely teenagers who are still developing their cognitive abilities. Sadly, it's more likely they're senior citizens who, unfortunately, have seen deterioration to the point where their higher level thinking is permanently impaired. I guess we'll all reach that point. I just hope I have enough sense to close my mouth when that time comes.
2:03 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
So why was the Berg lawsuit passed on to the supreme court to decide if they wanted to take the case? If it had no merit, no supreme court justice would have put it before the court, but one did. Lastly, the question you should be asking is not why i would want to look at someone's grade school records, but why would a person pay money to have them legally sealed, which he did. HMMMMM.
2:18 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Perhaps the folks you hang around with think you are "so smart", but you are nuts.
Do you really think we are so ignorant to fall for your pathetic reasoning? I guess so. In this country you can appeal until the SCOTUS turns you down. Not a single case was won by the Birthers, but they spent money for appeals and appeals and appeals.
Crawl back in your shell, you are not fooling us.
Still waiting for answers on Romney. Why did he pay tens of millions of dollars to hide money in Swiss bank accounts and the Cayman Islands? Why have we not seen his tax returns. He wants voters to show ID but doesn't want to show us his tax returns and he wants to be President.
I have tired of talking to a Snail, my chair is more interesting, it is never wrong either but at least doesn't talk.
2:43 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Why did Obama pay millions of dollars to hide his P.E. grade from elementary school? That's obvious. It's because he sucks at jump rope and he's really, really embarrassed about it. Or, you know, it's 1 of 10,000 B.S. claims that have come out of Donald Trump's mouth in the last few years and only the dumbest of people give it any credence at all. I mean you honestly can't think there's even a sliver of truth to the conspiracy claims out there, right? You realize there's a reason only wackjob blogs even have a mention of the claim, right? I hadn't even heard of this school nonsense before an hour ago (and I'm fairly obsessed with politics, even for an inside the beltway-er), that's how little traction it has. So sad this is what the far right is reduced to. At least claiming he's from Africa or is a socialist or a racist or whatever has some sensationalist interest. Millions of dollars to hide school records? That's just a boring conspiracy theory, especially compared to all the really wackjob ones that have come up the past few years.
Michael Brown
2:16 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Escariot, all I asked for was a source for your information. Easy to provide. My understanding is that all of your school records are sealed without the need for attorneys. They are considered private. The same is true for the other records you mentioned. So I would like to know whether what you are saying is true and, if so, why it would cost millions in attorney's fees to do what the law already requires. Just provide the urls or citations. thank you.
12:45 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
Not all of your school records are sealed. Your financial aid information, your papers and thesis, your roommates, and even the activities and clubs you joined are not covered under the federal law that protects transcripts. If you ever have time go to the fec website and look at the payments payed by Barack to attorneys to keep records sealed. You can also look up the lawsuits mister brown where those exact records were requested in the lawsuit.
B Allen
9:57 am on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
http://www.theycometoamerica.com/ Couple showings listed on the website. One in Carroll County and another in rockville (right in the middle of the action) I am sure the retread leftist libs in Moco will be out there protesting it's showing. Once again the truth hurts them.
12:49 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
Just think B Allen, right now Steve O'Malley is on the conference phone call to fifa and jag and frank to go out and blog and post the liberal viewpoint. Maybe that is why fifa never has anything original or truthful to say. Maybe fifa and steve o' malley are waiting to be the first couple married under the new law if it passes.
B Allen
1:47 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012
I am sure these "richard craniums" get their goose step marching orders from their comrads. Good little water carriers, but they continue to mke themselves look like fools. BTW, I was thinking the same thing that these guys are hoping that the "marriage" law gets passed. If it does, which i doubt if it will since MANY dems are against it, they don't realize that they will be put into a higher tax bracket. They are too stupid to realize that also. You can't file married but seperate returns.
12:47 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
The Hate Cult is pushing this movie. That's all anybody needs to know and why not to waste your time watching it.
1:46 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012
It is what it is. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck..... It's a Hate Cult.
Michael Brown
1:10 pm on Wednesday, August 1, 2012
Escariot, I am really trying to follow you here, but you're not helping. I went to the Federal Election Commission website (http://www.fec.gov/) and couldn't find anything like what you are talking about. It would be much easier to just provide the url. Everything I found has to do with campaign finance. I could not find anything on expenses and found nothing on paying attorneys for anything let alone protecting school records.
Michael Brown
10:31 pm on Thursday, August 2, 2012
Well I came here for some information, but I see I'm now trolling shallow waters. For those who actually participated in having a conversation, thank you. I read your comments, visited the urls, and formed some opinions I want to test. For those whose idea of an argument is simple name calling and repeating tired, worn phrases over and over, I do hope you enjoyed the cheap entertainment and I pray that your real beliefs are richer in thought and substance than your poorly formed comments. For the paranoid and near psychotic who appear to be all talk, no substance, and incapable of original thought, please seek professional help.
B Allen
12:10 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Yeah, you lefties out there have tried to come back at me like spoiled little brats because you could not handle the truth, facts and the figures I have posted. You people preach civility, "transparancy", bi-partisanship. working together, political correctness, coooom byyy ayyyy, yada, yada, yada and all we get from YOU PEOPLE is rants and raves, hatred, name calling, disregard for the truth and other peoples opinions, disregard for the freedom of speech by others who disagree with your dimented thoughts, total disregard of American values and total hypocrisy. Enjoy it while you can because come November, it WILL end. Also, if you people are going to try and follow Van Jones to an "American Fall",... bring it on.
12:36 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Pst...B Allen, he's talking about you. You've spent a chunk of your life and 1000+ posts simply insulting people to try and get them to interact with you (it's called "trolling"). You realize that, correct? I understand that you're probably lonely or whatever, but there are healthier ways to induce human interactions. You don't need to act like an ass just to get someone to pay attention to you. Try staying on subject and acting like a normal, well-adjusted human being sometime - you'll see it's much more rewarding.
B Allen
8:38 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Hey Jag(off)...I could care less. I was pointing out the fact that you people are hypocrites. Plain and simple and to the point. You don't like it when you are not doing the attacking. You were the ones who started the attacks way back in other posts just because I disagreed with you, I am finishing it. Don't like it when the truth comes out do you? You all act like a bunch of spoiled little brats throwing your little girl temper tantrums. It is good entertainment watching you people get your panties all wadded up.
B Allen
8:41 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
@Frank, once again a typical lib comeback. have some respect for yourself instead of getting your rocks off at being humiliated in front of a bunch of people.
9:37 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Actually we should not be picking on B Allen, he is really just not intelligent and that is not any of his fault. It's genetic.
B Allen
9:52 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Try all you want to "attack" me just because I don't agree with you people. You people have gone on the attack ever since I posted the truth and facts and figures that made your comments nothing more than "hearsay". You started with the name calling, temper tantrums and hypocracy. You want to try and dish it out, then you better be able to handle the truth. Instead of being a bunch of little pansies. You people are "plants" by the village idiot OWEmalley and his scumbag cronies. That is why I don't believe a word you people say because all that comes out of the OWEmalley camp is lies, deceipt and they run their ponzi schemes. Funny thing is, you people are too stupid to realize it. I guess it is true they suck out 98% of your grey matter when you join the dumbocrap party and leave only 2% for bodily functions and to "carry their water". I am laughing now because you make yourselves look like fools. You are ALL a bunch of good liitle Saul Alinsky wannabes, do you keep your rules for rqdicals and the communist manifesto right there on your computer to do down the list of attack modes?
B Allen
9:08 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
I am sure you do FIFA the foot fairy. Enjoy your 15 min of fame with that amature in the white house and the village idiot in the MD gov mansion. Now go back to your commm byyy yaa circle jerk and tell you castradi buddies that they are all smart. NOT!!!
9:01 am on Friday, August 3, 2012
I am sorry to see that you feel that way Michael. What I was able to find one weekend when i had the hours to do the research was the federal law concerning records and what is and what isn't covered. I then had looked up all the lawsuits concerning obama's eligibility based on citizenship. Thru those lawsuits i was able to see a long list of documents that were sealed and the plaintiffs were trying to gain access to. I also read about the 2008 fec expenses for the lawfirm Perkins and Coie. Those payments Michael were in installments of 200,000 and more for lawyers that represented him against over 30 eligibility lawsuits. Also Michael, if you look up the parameters of those 30 suits you will see the vast amount of data that he did in fact seal. That includes his selective service info, the college papers and financial aid info, information about his roommates, and lots of other documents. Do your own research Michael, then form an intelligent opinion. Before you do, please look at the extensive amount of information that is sealed and mysteriously dissapeared. You will find that all information regarding his original birth certificate concerning his grade school years has disappeared. The president of Occidental college remarked about the requests for obama's information. That is being done on the assertion that he applied there as a foreign student. Sorry I have been too busy with work and life to spent the time hunting down the urls for you.
B Allen
12:16 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Escariot, good info. Funny thing is when you post REAl info, the truth, facts and figures, those on the left try to fight with you and come up with some spin that does not make sense. They are full of lies, deciept and false info.
9:43 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
@jnrentz1 - Escariot is a "Birther" and thus I have much trouble believing anything he posts under the guise of being informative.
9:35 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Earlier someone posted:
Pst...B Allen, he's talking about you. You've spent a chunk of your life and 1000+ posts simply insulting people to try and get them to interact with you (it's called "trolling"). You realize that, correct? I understand that you're probably lonely or whatever, but there are healthier ways to induce human interactions. You don't need to act like an ass just to get someone to pay attention to you. Try staying on subject and acting like a normal, well-adjusted human being sometime - you'll see it's much more rewarding.
This comment applies to many people on both sides of this and other discussions
11:58 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
FIFA is a hypocrite with zero credibility. He espouses gay marriage, yet voted for Obama when he was publicly in favor of traditional marriage. FIFA goes on and on about birthers yet it was Hillary's investigation team that discovered all the sealed and missing documents about Obama that led to the Berg lawsuit. So once again, FIFA condemns "birthers", yet does not condemn the democratic party where the origins of challenging Obama's eligibility began. Don't worry, FIFA won't be the one to tell that the documents of the Berg lawsuit uncovered more hidden documents than Romney's tax returns. To enter the Madrasah in Indonesia, Obama had to give up citizenship in order to enter. The Berg lawsuit was partially based on the fact that there is absolutely no documents that prove that Obama filed to regain citizenship of the united states. If you want a dose of hate along the likes of a Bill Maher or a Rush Limbaugh, read the posts of FIFA.
12:03 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
LOL Thats some funny stuff. I bet you believe the WTC was brought down with squibs and holograms too.
12:19 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I just can't make stuff like that up. The snail rails about Obama and healthcare then takes the payments for cancer screenings he does to feed himself. He calls me a hypocrite. I must admit I really don't like snails, except in brown garlic sauce.
Something is unplugged in that snail brain, must have been during childhood I guess.
B Allen
9:17 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
I TOTALLY agree with Escariot that you people are hypocrites. Hell, you call people racists because they don't agree with the 1/2 white guy in the white house, but then you will support the Black Caucus and the NAACP, Jackson, Sharpton and other socialist hate groups when they attack black conservatives and call them uncle tom's, oreos and make caricatures of them bowing to whites,etc. All because they "left the plantations" and made something of themselves and become successful. Just like when you people attacked Michael Steele and Ben Cardin had his people steal his social security number to gain access to his financial info. Cardin should ahve done time but he had his flunkies take the fall for it. Typical of you people. Just look how the blacks attack Allen West because he knows the truth and speaks the truth. Allen West would run rings around that idiot in the white house. THE TRUTH HURTS THE LEFT.
12:30 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
That is a common thread that I noticed with all the anti DREAM Act people I have run into. They are out of touch with reality. They signed a petition to overturn a law that they know nothing about. They didn't even to bother to read it.
1:14 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
A common thread that i noticed with people such as steve o malley is that their "liberal" views are the ones out of touch with reality. For example, they call those that are in favor of traditional marriage bigots and out of touch, yet they cannot name a state where voters actually voted in majority for gay marriage. Or with illegal immigration, the majority of people want the borders to be enforced before immigration reform takes place. They also claim ignorance to the fact that more people want Obamacare repealed than those that want it to be left in place. By the way steve o malley, only 13 states have approval ratings for jimmy obama above fifty percent. I guess you buried your head in the sand when the citizens of this great country come out in droves to support chick fil a and gave them unprecedented sales in their history. Maybe you should have listened to the interviews of many diverse people that were supporting them instead of listening to your governor relative. By the way steve, if everyone was "in touch" as you clearly think you are, then why didn't the dream act get entered into the senate when your dem friends had a supermajority? Why won't it pass now? Oh yeah, I keep forgetting that the 20 percent of self-identified liberals erroneously believe they represent over 50 percent of public opinion.
B Allen
9:30 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Hey Steveie boy...and yes you are a boy. Who is the one who says, "lets pass it and then we will find out what is in it" You DA libbies NEVER read anything. I called my delegates offices and I even attended a dumbocrap meeting where all 3 delegates and the state senator was there pounding their chest and saying look at we did and THEY could not even give the full facts and figures. They said it was going to cost taxpayers only a few million dollars to pay for the so called "dream act". When I asked them if that was statewide, they said it was the cost for Montgomery College students. Guess what, all the libbies at the meeting said it was not as much as they thought, so I posed the question, what about ALL the other colleges in MD, how much will it cost at those and of course, they did not know. I told them an easy way to figure it out was to take the number of colleges and multiple it by the number that taxpayers were covering in MoCo and could even round down the number and it would be MUCH MUCH more of a burden to taxpayers. NOT ONE of them read the whole thing, they did not have all the facts and figures, they just passed it, because of you people following the pied piper in the gov mansion, opps I mean village idiot.
9:45 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Steve is a self admitted supremacist. No one but he read anything they signed. No one but he knows waht the law says. No one but he are in reality. A true supremacist. A true liberal.
10:17 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Buy yourself a few brain cells.
supremacist: a person who promotes or advocates the supremacy of any particular group.
" with all the anti DREAM Act people" "They are out of touch with reality. They signed a petition to overturn a law that they know nothing about. They didn't even to bother to read it."
His group is SUPERIOR to those he writes about. Go buy a brain.
10:21 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Frank go buy a brain.
su·prem·a·cist: a person who believes in or advocates the supremacy of a particular group.
supremacist [sʊˈprɛməsɪst sjʊ-] a person who promotes or advocates the supremacy of any particular group, characterized by belief in the supremacy of any particular group.
From his post: "with ALL the anti DREAM Act people " "They are out of touch with reality." "they know nothing about"
Sounds like a supremacist to me.
8:45 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
Only in the minds of true supremacists like Frank & Steve would they redefine words to their liking and deny the meaning from a dictionary.
12:31 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
FIFA once again cannot refute the facts concerning the Berg lawsuit, and its origins. So what does he do? Predictably he resorts to name calling. FIFA is the poster child of the phrase that truth is to liberals as to kryptonite to superman. I was involved in healthcare many years before Obama decided to involve government. By the way FIFA, if Obamacare is such a GOOD thing, why isn't Obama using it as a major campaign issue in his favor? The dems are using gay marriage as a major platform issue, so why not Obamacare? Just like the whole Chick fil a issue, the silent majority of independents and non-liberals will remove the saul alinsky disciple in november and you will not read more posts from FIFA.
1:17 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
LOL Birtherism, Obamacare, gay marriage and Saul Alinsky......... Let me guess. You watch a lot of Fox News doncha?
7:57 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Let me guess....I watch the O'Reilly factor and fox news sunday. I also read the washington post and usa today. I also read a lot of books published by people in the political arena from juan williams, klein, and others including state of denial by woodward. Sorry steve, unlike yourself, i am not an ideologue that takes one side for verbatim without actually listening to what the other side has to say about an issue.
B Allen
9:01 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
I see Escariot pointing out facts, which you people do not comprehend. One of the LIBERALS rediculus comeback. "watch a lot of Fox news donca"... such an infantile statement. Which is ALL of you liberals commenting on these posts. Like I said before, you liberals get your "panties all wadded up" because every comment (lie) you make on these posts, there are true facts and figures to backup the fact that you are ALWAYS wrong. But the good thing is, I get a good laugh every time I see your rediculous comments and ASSumptions... I enjoy watching you people make fools of yourselves. Youa re the ones standing in the shadows, you are the ones that would stand in the back of the crowd and throw stones, you are the ones that follow the rules for radicals (as guy in the white house does) and try to antagonize. I bet if you met face to face with any of us, you would not act so bad. I have come across many people like you in my years and in my travels and they were the ones left not standing. All I see you people as like the scumbags that tried spitting on us when I was in the military during vietnam, they were not so tough when I went toe to toe with them. The same goes here. BTW, FRANKIE BOY...The term Liberal is meant to be degrading becuse it means, sniviling little brats who throw temper tantrums when someone does not agree with their misguided thought process. Which is ALL I see coming from you coooom---byyy---ahhhhers. You guys have your circle "get together" lately?
9:41 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
"watch a lot of Fox news donca""
Love that line since those who say that watch the best in the business, Madcow $harpton, Kweef Olberman etc for their news.
They say it as a slur. What a lame way to converse.
B Allen
10:00 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Frankieboy (and yes your statements show that is all you are ) "Have another drink and go back to bed.And learn to spell "ridiculous".
I want to thank you for validating all of my assessments about "you people". I was not sure which one of you libtards would come back first with some RIDICULOUS comment, but if I had to bet, I would have put my money on you. OHHHHHH I am so offended that you saw a typo, OMG! (newer meaning for OMG, Obama Must Go)Does it makes you think you are smart or something? Funny how you libtards get your rocks off at all the childish rants, raves and comments you make. BTW, at least I enlisted during that time. I supposed you were drafted?
8:07 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
" i am not an ideologue" ranks right up there with "Mission Accomplished".
You are hanging off the right wing holding onto a birth certificate in your teeth and the government paycheck you accept all the while complaining about the food you are fed by the government. You sick hypocrite.
8:12 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
People like myself are your worst nightmare FIFA. Your liberal rants about hate and screaming about being right wing doesn't hold water considering i donated to hillary's campaign in 2008 and voted for Sarbanes when i lived in the city before moving out to towson. I get no paycheck from the government. My job is in a non-profit hospital that accepts both private, and medicare payments. Those payments across the whole department is what pays my salary. Your misinformation is predicatable considering that you offer absolutely nothing new to the discussion. Unlike you, others here are posting informative opinions that can be read and used to either support or change ideas about positions. Funny that all it takes it under 3 posts and all you have is insults and nothing worthwhile to contribute.
8:33 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
"I get no paycheck from the government. My job is in a non-profit hospital that accepts both private, and medicare payments". Last time I checked snail man Medicare is a government payment. Your employer takes a part of that money and pays you! You have lied.
All of your posts are right wing ideologue posts. That is also apparent by your lack of any criticisms of the right wing.
B Allen
9:22 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
FIFA, you are such a comedian. I am cracking up at your jokes and the way you make a fool of yourself and all of your buddies on here. HAHAHAHAHAHA. I think I will just check back once in a while for a good laugh instead of posting more facts and figures on here, because you don't read ANY of the info. It looks like the brainwashing and the reeducation process that you people went through by the LIBBIES was a success, they need more like you to carry their water and be slaves to to their needs. Too bad you people have NO thought process for yourself. It all reminds me of the movie the "demolition man". You people live in a (wannabe) TOTALITARIAN environment and not having to think for yourself and let the gvmt do ALL the thinking for you and run your lives. We are like the people that went underground in that movie and come November the door will be hitting Obama in the ass as he gets booted out of DC as the WORST president ever, even worse than Jimmy carter...Jimmy is a happy man right now to not have to hold on that title any longer. Then you people wont feel so "empowered" any longer.
Arbutus Town Crier
9:44 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
]sic]. FIFA Yes, I am a literary critic and your writing style stinks.
On to the subject if I can figure it out. Clearly by your picture and your comments you believe your skin and your tone denotes you are royalty of some sort.
Arbutus Town Crier
10:10 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
[sic]"Mission Accomplished". Do you know what the military mission was? how did you get the secret documents? WW2 even signing a surrender terms was"Mission Accomplished" the Battle Mission Accomplished! SS Werewolf Guerrilla Resistance in Europe continued, just as Afghanistan & Iraq " FIFA comments from the literary critic seems to be intellectual manipulator of comment hidden by manipulating of the English language.What may be confusing people is a section of the Fourteenth Amendment that says that anyone born on American soil is an American citizen at birth. This provision, meant to grant citizenship to former slaves after the Civil War, does not mean that people who are not born on American soil cannot be American citizens by legal process set in place,
Arbutus Town Crier
7:00 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
FIFA sic ego vos culus tibi similis vobis manipulare, torquent veritatem in ad iacet
7:15 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
I think ATC likes my Ass, but I don't own one. What do you really mean? Are you afraid of the "deleter" because you speak in forked tongue?
8:24 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
I never stated that i hated healthcare reform or that reform was not necessary. What i have always stated is that a systemic approach of entitlement reform and spending freezes need to take place first. There is no current program in place to address the addition of millions of patients with no increase in doctors or support staff to handle the increases without serious rationing of healtchare. I use the term liberals the same way that i use the term conservative. It is to describe political positions that are away from the moderate or independent. There are only 20 percent that identify themselves as either liberal or conservative, leaving the other 60 percent or majority of people suscribing to the middle or moderate point of view being likely to vote more on the person running and not the party they represent.
8:38 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Once again FIFA you accurately prove my point about the way you treat others that disagree. My paycheck has a hospital name on it, not the government. People have private insurance and can pay in cash without ever even having a government sponsored insurance like medicaid or medicare. If my paycheck had the us treasury stamped on it, then your ludicrous statement would be correct. I do happily hope you continue to post just the way you are now. Your posts fit the stereotype and mentality perfectly in that you immediately launch into your right wing accusations because you cannot debate the merit or facts about the argument. It is this same attitude that caused a majority for dems to vanish after only 2 short years. But hey, keep it up FIFA, you will have plenty of people to insult and demean when a minority political philosophy gets voted out of office by a majority in this country which is center right.
8:54 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
It is important to expose to the daylight people like you who hide in the shadows and when seen in daylight expose their real self.
I will let others judge your doublespeak, but I will not relent putting sunlight on your darkness. I am awaiting your first piece exposing Romney. I presume I should not hold my breath, you who is not an ideologue.
10:09 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
@Frank--So tell us frank, did hospitals exist in this country before federal funding, or were hospitals created by the government? Seems to me that a defense contractor would not exist without the government money. Many hospitals and healthcare practices have been established with private money and donations, not created by the government. Please Frank, tell us how hospitals ran before medicare and medicaid were created by the government?
10:16 pm on Saturday, August 4, 2012
@FIFA---You do not read the posts written by those you disagree with. If you did, then you would have realized that I have equally criticized Bush for the Iraq involvement and his terrible fiscal messes such as medicare D and not paying for the wars while he was in office. I also equally criticized the scotus for the gore versus bush ruling and the obamacare ruling. I also posted on here that Romney has offshore accounts to limit tax liability, much in the same manner as Kerry docks his yacht in another state to avoid tax liability. I have also posted on here that Romney was a weak candidate compared to Jindal and Christie that I consider to be better candidates based on policy and accomplishments. I also stated that i do not believe in the Norquist pledge to not raise taxes and that the republicans bleeped up by not accepting the entitlement reform offer with the acceptable ratio of revenue increases. Too bad you base your posts on the fact that i disagree over same sex marriage and immigration reform and not on actual policies that i agree with concerning the democratic party. I have also typed that i am not pro-life and disagree with the conservative stance of telling a person in poverty to have a child then limit their resources to programs to raise a child they cannot afford.
B Allen
10:08 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
As P.J. O'Rourke eloquently put it in a speech. "At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child-miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats.
We've been nice to the liberals for too long. They're thugs. The liberal dream is to control people, to oppress and exploit them for some 'higher' goal. Liberals are always championing laws and social programs which are theoretically good for a class of people while being provably disastrous for people themselves: racial quotas, busing, welfare, my goddamned taxes. The core of the liberal belief is that the mass is more important than the man.The principle feature of American liberalism is sanctimoniousness. By loudly denouncing all bad things - war and hunger and date rape - liberals testify to their own terrific goodness. More important, they promote themselves to membership in a self-selecting elite of those who care deeply about such things... It's a kind of natural aristocracy, and the wonderful thing about this aristocracy is that you don't have to be brave, smart, strong or even lucky to join it, you just have to be liberal."
5:02 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child-miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied, demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brat"
This is one of the most ignorant comments I have ever read. Past, you are describing rich Republicans, in case you didn't know, what a moronic comment. Only one slower than you is the Snail.
B Allen
10:11 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
That is the last post on this subject because the majority of people in Maryland. D, R and Ind are against paying their hard earned tax dollars for educating people who are here 'Illegally",, Just as in Wisconsin, the people will speak. Then you libtards can go and cower in your corners.
10:32 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
There are more Military Veterans who will be affected by this law than "illegals". I don't know why the Neocons hate the military so much
11:06 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
And what about the military veterans that will be affected by payer higher taxes because of this bill? Or how about their children having to pay higher out of state tuition than illegals? Or how about the military veterans that cannot find jobs because Obamacare is killing job growth like the medical supply company in Indiana that is NOT building more factories because of the additional millions in taxes? Once again steve o malley has less than 3 lines using his hate speech. Gee steve, i cannot help but notice how you and frank mysteriously do not debate the merits or facts concerning this issue. Keep up the good work. You will be rewarded in the same manner where the silent majority poured out support for governor Walker in Wisconsin and chick fil a around the country.
B Allen
11:39 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
StevieBoy...another knuckleheaded comment proving you have your head so far up omalleys butt that neither one of you can see the light of day. Maybe you need to be "BS"d and have some sense knocked into you.
11:58 am on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Neither of you two Old Farts even bothered to read the Bill did you?
"Extending the period within which an honorably discharged veteran....."
2:22 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Once again you fail to answer the question about how the sons and daughters of veterans will have to pay out of state tuition rates if they leave their own state while illegal aliens will not. Once again, you resort to insults instead of relying on facts.
2:28 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
What can be more factual than giving you the actual text of the law?
The sons and daughters of Veterans can establish residence here like everyone else has to (including undocumented residents).
2:40 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Why should the sons and daughters of veterans have to pay out of state tuition and illegal aliens that have broken the law not? That is the simple question that has led to the referendum and will be voted down this November.
3:20 pm on Sunday, August 5, 2012
Simple, if you live here and pay taxes here you get in state rates. The vet can get in state rates where he lives. What BS from someone on the government dole like you.
Now answer how does Romney have a $100,000,000.00 IRA in the Cayman Islands when the max contribution was around $6,000 per year. Great tax planning? How about just a pathetic unpatriotic tax cheat?
And you worry about a teenager getting a chance to go to college. You are sick.
7:48 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
You are sad and pathetic. If a vet lives in colorado and wants to send their kid to harvard or columbia, they have to pay out of state tuition rates. Why should someone come to maryland from another country illegally and pay in state tuition rates while the vet and their kids does not? That is an obvious disservice to the vet and the commitment they made to the country. You want people to come here and live off of taxpayers for free, plain and simple. Sorry FIFA, the majority of people in this country do not agree with you. That is why you cannot get the dream act past congress. I am still waiting for you to answer the hundreds of questions i have posted concerning obama's sealed and unreleased records. When you have an answer to that then i will address the issues concerning romney. Until then keep posting, and in the meanwhile the silent majority and other "citizens" like myself will keep patronizing chick fil a and will vote down in state tuition for illegals. You are sick for wanting an illegal alien to take the place of someone born here, especially if that citizen was raised in poverty and is trying to improve their lives through a college education. Here is a great idea FIFA. Why don't you give 75 to 80 percent of your yearly salary to illegals so that they can go to college?
8:04 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
I have answered your question, now answer mine. I am not going to play your silly game of dodging continually the Romney issue while you go off on your agenda.
How does Romney have a $100,000,000.00 IRA in the Cayman Islands when the max contribution was around $6,000 per year. Great tax planning? How about just a pathetic unpatriotic tax cheat?
Eat at Chick-Fil-A all you want, it fits right in with your Birther status.
I guess you are polling the majority of the people in the US now with your Snail like powers?
You and your continual straw man arguments have grown tiring. As you do.
Just keep collecting your government paycheck via Medicare and complaining about it. Fool.
11:37 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
Harvard and Columbia are private institutions. It's "one tuition fit's all". There is no "instate and out of state" tuition. Both schools are big proponents of the DREAM Act as well.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
5:31 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
I'm having trouble reading this but I believe Escariot is right in this case that spouses/dependents of vets (who went to maryland secondary education for 3 years and received HS diploma or equivalent) are not covered by the former law or by the changes in SB-167
The only children that get the benefit are of active duty members:
(a) Scope.- This section applies to the following individuals:
(1) An active duty member of the United States armed forces;
(2) The spouse of an active duty member of the United States armed forces;
(3) A financially dependent child of an active duty member of the United States armed forces; <Mentions Dependent>
(4) An honorably discharged veteran of the United States armed forces; or <Only Mentions the Vet>
(5) A member of the National Guard as defined in § 13-405(a)(3) of the Public Safety Article.
<my edits>
The information at justia says it may be old, but if it is current then from what I'm reading it sounds correct. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
If the Vet lives in Colorado they would get in state tuition at Colorado schools presumably, so I don't see why that's an issue for Maryland and mostly consider that case somewhat irrelevant. If a Vet lived in Maryland they would get Maryland rates.
7:55 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
Since you brought up being unpatriotic and a tax cheat. Please explain the following to the readers here FIFA:
1) Why were several Obama cabinet appointees such as Daschle and Geithner found to have not payed their taxes or did not report incomes?
2) Explain why Obama bought land from convicted felon Anthony Rezko and paid almost nothing for the adjacent lot?
3) Explain why you are commenting about the offshore accounts of Romney yet mysteriously do not mention that jay carney, valerie jarret, wasserman-schulz and several other democrats also have offshore investments
4) Explain why John Kerry does not dock his yacht in Mass. but in a neighboring state to avoid the luxury taxes? Hmm, sounds like he must be unpatriotic and a tax cheat.
5) If being a tax cheat disqualifies someone from office, please tell us why Geithner is still in his present position?
6) If paying taxes IS patriotic, then why did Obama give waivers to all his democratic buddies concerning the obamacare provision to have health benefits considered taxable income if its value is over a certain benchmark.
7) Hypocrite much FIFA?
B Allen
2:02 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
FIFA must be a plant by the socialist group CASA of MD and that scumbag Gustavo Torres who needs to have his ass kicked back to Venezuala and his buddy Tyrant Hugo Chavez. With a name like FIFA you know it (because I won't refer to it as a person, because no person can be that stupid) is not what it tries to portray here, it is a little scumbag pissant soccer footfairy. Has to take a name of a xbox360 game. This is what is behind all the push for taxpayers to pay for illegals here, Torres spoke at this socialist coombyyyaaaa meeting in Venezuala. http://themilitant.com/2007/7145/714503.html They (socialists) are trying to infiltrate our system and take over, they think they are empowered by the 1/2 white guy in the white house. Come NOV they won't be so loudmouthed.
2:05 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
The racist pig B Allen has returned to the scene.
"They are coming to take you away, ha ha, they are coming to take you away".
2:33 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
B Allen, you are the reason birth control was invented!
Gosh you like to shout also. Actually makes you look dumb that kind of yelling.
And the "B" is short for? Five letters and ends in a "t" I bet.
Arbutus Town Crier
6:10 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
"4:21 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012" look at that (Ctrl F) copy & paste w/o quotes
those comments State your Character all you have to do is click on FIFA and you will see him in so Everywhere these ARE you STATEMENTS!
"Lying and misleading makes you a simpleton, your failure to acknowledge your lies is simply pathetic. Really makes it difficult for you when someone has facts to dispute your lies."
6:33 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
ATC, those statements are incomprehensible by humans.
Moral and ethical qualities extraordinarily high. Treat far right wingers like simpletons, Guilty.
8:46 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
No surprise here folks. No facts, no truths. Just insults. Once again FIFA cannot answer any of the above questions, nor can he answer the questions concerning Obama having sealed all those records and not rleased others. He also cannot defend illegals getting taxpayer benefits for breaking the law. Fool? Hardly. Only 13 of our states have approval ratings for Jimmy obama's performance above 50. Keep with the 13, i will stay with the rest.
8:52 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
TROLL: One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument.
Now the Supremacists Steve and Frank can argue that this definition is wrong because theirs is always right.
9:50 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
Not a try Frank the Supremacist, a fact. I don't make up the definitions like you do.
I posted the definition and you fit it to a tee and don;t like it but that does not change the fact you are a Supremacist.
10:17 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
Frank, you grossly distort the truth. Deny it all you wish. We are sure to see it in more of your posts.
2:03 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Much shorter definitions:
Birther: Joe
Racist: Joe
Bigot: Joe
Arbutus Town Crier
4:11 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
1-Clearly little kevin did not graduate or attend college very long. If he did, they failed in their admission process. * sometimes it is better to just not open your mouth and show people your intelligence.2-And all Esc***t does is take government money for his cancer screenings.3-Describe how that will work one who lives in the gutter.4-You apparently you have no such degree as all you do is talk like a tape recorder and write like you hold a crayon in all caps.5-You are more ignorant than I ever thought! 6-Let's see MORON comes to mind. Towson U. Failed you 7-OT - you and loser are peas in a pod. You IQ is only exceeded by your age.8-Lookie here, a moron, 09-you are talking to a Birther in …10-you as a Birther have Zero credibility and your opinions are accordingly ignored.11-You are a pathetic hypocrite12-Lying and misleading makes you a simpleton, your failure to acknowledge your lies is simply pathetic 13-in case you didn't know, what a moronic comment. Only one slower than you is the Snail. 14-Seriously disappointed in Tim. You just put yourself into the bigot corner without knowing.15-On to the subject if I can figure it out. Clearly by your picture and your comments you believe your skin and your tone denotes you are royalty of some sort -Character Traites, Arrogant, Rudeness, Domineering, Dishonesty , Temperamental, Conceited , Unreliable, pessimistic, Condescending. Did I miss any?
5:29 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
ATC, taking quotes out of context. Other than that accurate.
But what else would one expect for a BB sized brain bouncing around in a basketball, add that to your list.
5:47 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
ATC. Your accusations, too bad about your ignorant spelling errors. -Character Traites, Arrogant [Guilty], Rudeness [Guilty], Domineering [Innocent], Dishonesty [Never], Temperamental [Guilty], Conceited [Guilty] , Unreliable [Innocent], pessimistic [Never], Condescendin [Always]
The ones you didn't include, brutally honest, accurate, despise racists and bigots, don't like you, Joe, Escargot, Doug, and a whole host of others. Happy?
Arbutus Town Crier
6:20 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
FIFA-#16 But what else would one expect for a BB sized brain bouncing around in a basketball, add that to your list.......
6:25 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Sorry Frank, I forgot one, Poor English usage [Guilty] :-)
8:58 am on Monday, August 6, 2012
I do not profess to be an expert on USA tax policies, nor am I a supporter of either Mr. Romney or President Obama. However, unless either is charged and convicted of tax fraud or other tax violations, I am going to assume that both men (and others mentioned above) have very smart tax experts who use the tax codes as written to the best advantage. If that is a crime, then the jails ought to be full of rich men and women. And I doubt that taking advantage of the complex tax policies in the USA is confined to conservatives or liberals. It is, however likely confined to people with lots of money (and influence). Unfortunately, I do not include my self in that latter category.
BTW, according to Roll Call, of the 20 richest members of Congress in 2011, 10 were Republicans, 10 were Democrats.
1:05 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Is that the same Frank that said that the Philip J. Berg lawsuit did not exist?
1:38 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
It existed for a nanosecond before the judges laughed the Crackpot out of the courtroom.
2:34 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
I just read on the CNBC website that Greece has rounded up 6000 illegal immigrants. They will be in the process of deporting them back to the country they came from. Greece is a country that is on the verge of bankruptcy but they are doing the right thing. They are protecting their legal citizens and getting rid of lawbreakers that are using their country's limited resources. The USA will be in the same predicament in the future. The USA deficit is almost 16 trillion dollars, that is $50,868.61 per citizen per the US National Debt Clock. We can't allow the unchecked illegal immigrants to flood this country. Any politician that is for returning these illegal immigrants to the country they came from will get my vote and my monetary support. Some Patch posters said the USA can't afford to send them back. Can the USA afford to use our tax dollars for illegal immigrants' free healthcare( emergency rooms), schools (K-12 grade), free school lunches, food stamps (if they have an American born child in the household) and jails (illegal immigrants committing crimes)?
3:05 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
honey, the US deports 400,000 people per year. Greeks have got a good start, duh.
3:57 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
So, all that proves is that more illegals want to come to the U.S. than Greece...double duh... Wish them well and send them home until they want to follow the LEGAL process. I don't know why this is so difficult. There is a process in place to become a legal visitor/citizen and these people just thumb their noses at it.
And honestly, if it would truly only cost $94b to deport all the illegals, it is a bargain. Our current president can rack up that much debt before he reaches the second tee shot.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
4:44 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
"The standstill appears to be the result of many factors, including the weakened U.S. job and housing construction markets, heightened border enforcement, a rise in deportations, the growing dangers associated with illegal border crossings, the long-term decline in Mexico's birth rates and broader economic conditions in Mexico."
JayDee: "And honestly, if it would truly only cost $94b to deport all the illegals, it is a bargain."
If those people are working jobs that drive the economy, our legal immigration system can't get enough replacement workers in, and no current citizens take the jobs they're doing, that could have a devastating impact on the economy. Just ask Georgian farmers: http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/archives/52381/ So while the physical costs might be $94b, the economic damage could be far worse.
It is easy to just say there's a simple solution; inhaling a few seconds longer shows it doesn't pass the sniff test.
5:00 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
According to the Social Security Administration and the US Chamber of Commerce undocumented residents have paid $836 billion into Social Security. When someone cashes a SS check they should thank an "illegal" for keeping the system propped up.
B Allen
8:43 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Hey Dummy, opps I mean stevieboy, and illegals scam billions of taxpayers dollars because of loopholes in the tax codes. That is why we need the REAL ID, tax reforms crack down on people who employ illegals,(even government officials like OWEmalley and the MoCo county Councilmembers) and stop handouts to those here illegally. You people complain about people who are successful who have tax loopholes http://www.wthr.com/story/17798210/tax-loophole-costs-billions
1:23 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
STEVE - the Undocumented workers are INTENTIONALLY USING made up Social Security numbers - given to them by their colleagues/friends/smugglers so they could get work. NO, they are not going to see the SS - they knowingly defrauded the Social Security Administration and their employers by giving false/manufactured SS numbers. You know this.....
3:08 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Greece has only deported about 1,200. Undocumented travelers don't get benefits from Greece either. They are doing it because they are receiving a huge influx of war refugees from the civil war in Syria.
Deporting undocumented residents of the US will never work. It would cost $94 Billion to do that.
B Allen
8:34 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
NO....you cut off the (taxpayer funded) handouts, the free education, medical, dental, housing, meals, welfare, etc...they will just go away. All it will cost is a vote to get rid of the liberals in Maryland, starting with OWEmalley and especially the scum running MoCo, then $1.9Billion (taxpayer funds) will come back to the taxpayers and OWEmalley and his cretins won't have to continually raise taxes on the REAL taxpayers in MD. Yeah, even you libbies would have more money in your pockets. But if you libbies want to continue to pay for them, then YOU fork over 70% of your income (as they do in socialist countries), so that those who are against supporting illegals won't have to keep digging deep into their pockets. The middle income people are getting hurt the most, with the high taxes, high cost of living and paying higher fees for goods and services here in MD. BTW, Greece can't even aford to fund their socialist economy, it is no wonder they are having to turn away refugees, haven't you stayed up with current events, just like the other socialist countries are putting their hands out for loans. TRUTH HURTS DOESN'T IT, you little water carriers?
3:30 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
If it costs $94 billion to deport them, I will have to research the costs for the above mentioned programs in my previous post. I welcome any person that goes thru the process to be a legal American citizen. The majority of illegals have no intention of becoming a USA citizen, otherwise they would have started the process for USA citizenship. Illegals can apply for a legal immigration visa at a US Embassy to start the USA citizenship process.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
4:55 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
"Illegals can apply for a legal immigration visa at a US Embassy to start the USA citizenship process."
Which criteria do they fall under here, ooc? There's 4 general categories here that don't seem to include anyone who is here undocumented.
I also read the following PDF which breaks down eligibility requirements further and couldn't find anything: http://www.uscis.gov/files/article/M-476.pdf
If you understand something I don't feel free to point it out, but otherwise the USCIS information available seems to indicate otherwise.
Corbin Dallas Multipass
5:02 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
I see you say visa and I interpreted naturalized citizen, my bad. But it would be useful if you can point to what visa they would apply for. I wonder if it would have draw backs that would create a disincentive for them to actually apply, such as putting them at risk for getting deported? You could intend on becoming a citizen, as soon as there's no guarantee your entire way of life is not ripped out from under you.
3:37 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Some people don't want to become US citizens and thats okay. an Immigrant can apply for an immigration visa but in some cases it takes 15 years.
I don't begrudge anybody that is trying to make a better life for their family.
6:11 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
You people go on and on with this. The insults are crazy. Ok, if you continue to post, you will be forced to watch the new Meryl Streep movie. Is that punishment enough?
On the other hand FIFA might like the movie.
6:22 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
C'mon RMI, you know me as a caring human being. Why do you want to do that to me?
6:51 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
It could be worse. They could force you to watch the Hate Cult/Tea Bagger latest Nazi propaganda film "They Come To America" by Dennis Lynch....
B Allen
8:20 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Stevieboy, yet another DUMB statement, but then again I can count on you little pansies to come through and make fools of yourselves. I bet that whole film is staged and lies, with many paid actors. NOT!!!! Don't you get it? ALL people ARE NOT like you little pansies. The majority of the people out there (even Democrats) want to find out the REAL truth, not what you little peabrained cretins come up with. You and your little buddies continue to make yourselves look like fools. My post earlier on P.J. O'Rourkes' speech "hit the nail on the head" defining you people. If you little people want to go antagonize someone, it is not going to happen here. Go after ALL the democrats that signed the petition to put this up for a vote "BY THE PEOPLE" and to NOT have another idiot law and tax shoved down our throats by that jackass OWEmallley and his thugs.
Arbutus Town Crier
7:20 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Well I kept Frankie and FIFI busy so everyone else could have decent debates !
see ya tomorrow unless FIFI and Frankie disrupt everyone to nite
7:24 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Sorry, unlike you, we can multi-task. Good night ATC.
7:39 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
One small thing ATC, you can call Frank and I by our screen names or we may have to resort to calling you things like Town Crybaby, etc., I don't want to do that, but I will, honest, I don't lie.
Other Tim
7:31 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I cannot believe FIFA would resort to name calling.
(Sarcasm, Frank.)
Arbutus Town Crier
8:19 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
You can call me any name you like Frank and FIFA ! I understand hiding behind hate by treating members using Intellectual Thugism WHY CHANGE? בפרנקי שפיפי
Arbutus Town Crier
8:27 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Just in case you might not know the definition of Intellectual Thugism :to hurl words as a substitute for critical thought and dialogue and as nothing more than quick, cheap shot ways to quiet an opponent is intellectual thugism—especially when it is only allowed by one side.בפרנקי שפיפי
8:33 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Psst. Steve, Frank, and I are each clearly more intelligent and more rationale than you or your ilk will ever be. But we still enjoy spearing fish in a barrel from time to time.
B Allen
8:07 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
So, is that what you tell each other in your little cooommm byyyy yaaa circle jerks. You have to "stroke" each others egos to make you feel big, but you are nothing more than a bunch of little pansies. I can see why you little boys are called the new castrati. Does the chief Village Idiot OWEmalley join you also?
10:18 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
"OWEMalley" Did you think of that all by yourself??? Wow! How witty! Your rapier like wit just might be your ticket out of Mommy's basement.
B Allen
10:53 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Well Stevieboy, "Your rapier like wit just might be your ticket out of Mommy's basement."
Wrong assumption again. But you libbies don't realize that you assume things and talk out of your butts. I have been able to close my business and semi retire at an early age. I guess you did not get the "memo" that I coined the village idiot OWEmalley some months ago and have posted it numerous times and in various left wing articles. Especially when they were praising the knucklehead and while they were praising him, OWEmalley was raising our taxes, fees, and stealing tax dollars from the transportation fund. But I guess that does not matter to you since you are living off the government coffers. You need to make sure you take your ADHD meds every day so you can focus and comprehend what is the difference between your "tall tales" and what the actual truth is.
12:36 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
You just have to take a logical approach to the matter b allen. You have frank and steve omalley and fifi all guns blazing about boycotting chick fil a and yelling about hate and racism and bigotry. Then you take 2 seconds to stop and think about why they did not boycott obama's run for the presidency considering that in his 2008 campaign, and his first 3.5 years of office he had the same stance on traditional marriage as Cathy of chick fil a. Like i stated before, hypocrite much? Charles Krauthammer did a great piece on that, asking why liberals do not refere to him as the "bigot Obama" based on those views. They spout off about illegals paying taxes and social security yet mysteriously neglect to mention the costs on our school system, health system, and communities when they use food stamps, our schools, and our emergency rooms for births and healthcare. No need to fret b allen. As long as the majority of the country feels the same way as those interviewed at chick fil a they will be going back to omalley's mansion in november huddled around a tv set eating ice cream and cuddling with each other. Maybe they will get married in Vermont and never come back to Maryland.
12:40 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
"illegals" aren't eligible for Social Services. (Food Stamps were ended with the SNAP program).
BTW I could care less about Chik-Fil-A. I have never been in one and don't intend to any time soon. 99% of chicken is contaminated with fecal material.
12:46 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Illegals are eligible for social services. Learn the constitution young man. The reason why people objected vehemently to a single payer healthcare system is that under the constitution an illegal could not be denied the same benefits. That is why the catcall of "You Lie" was released by Joe Wilson when Obama stated the opposite. Fecal matter is what composes 99% of the posts of you, fifi, and crank. So why be opposed to it now all of a sudden?
2:40 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Snail Man has stuck his head out of his five hole yet again and has 100% fecal matter on his breath as he spews his filth.
Takes government money from cancer victims to feed himself then bites the hand that feeds him.
12:52 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
That's not even remotely true. You are just parrotting the Tanton Hate Cult/FAIR phony talking points.
1:24 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
The Dream Act will be on the ballot in November. If anyone knows of phone banks or volunteer opportunies against this act, please post on this site. I will be glad to volunteer my time.
5:59 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Once again, nice post Parkvillehoney. For those that read posts, a single payer system would entitle illegal aliens access to the healthcare system because the constitution does not specify that a "citizen" has to be born here to receive the benefits, which is one of the reasons why we have to treat illegal aliens in the emergency room just as we cannot turn away "citizens" that were born here. That is why Joe Wilson yelled you lie, and why fifi and the other two blind mice want to mislead you.
6:09 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
You can find what i posted above in reading supreme court cases regarding the 14th amendment and illegal aliens. Illegal aliens are granted equal protection of the law, and cannot be denied access to the same rights as legal citizens. Thus allowing them to be treated in emergency rooms just as all citizens. A single payer system would entitle all citizens the "right" of healthcare, and under the 14th amendment illegal aliens would also be such entitled entities to participate. Maybe if fifi spent more time learning the constituiton and less time on msnbc he would know these simple facts.
6:11 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
Voting and the posession of firearmas are two clauses that the supreme court has ruled that they do not have equal access to, but other than that they are covered under the 14th amendment.
6:14 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
You should just stop before making yourself look even less informed. Turn of The Faux News and pick up a copy of the law specifically Title II SubtitleC Section 246.
Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.
Can it be written any plainer???
8:51 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Once again Steve, you are completely misinformed, and wrong. If an illegal alien PAYS into a single payer system that is available to everyone, then by the 14th amendment they CANNOT be denied. Sec 246 only states that the federal government cannot pay the fee for them to be entered into a single payer system. Or you really that ignorant, or is that what the Omalley family is teaching you. You obviously did not read the 1982 supreme court case where it was ruled that the state of Texas could NOT DENY illegal aliens the access to a public education that was available to all citizens. You and fifi need to take a class on constitutional law, or better yet take a class where a professor explains it to you.
9:32 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Escargot just flat out lies about this stuff. I posted the exact verbiage of the law. This is straight from the President's lips.
Today, I want to spend a few minutes debunking some of the more outrageous myths circulating on the Internet, on cable TV, and repeated at some town halls across this country.
"Let's start with the false claim that illegal immigrants will get health insurance under reform. That's not true.
That idea has never even been on the table."
~ Barrack Obama August 22, 2009
10:20 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Steve, Escariot can ignore what's in the ACTUAL LAW, because he's talking about some mythical single payer system that (unfortunately, IMO) was never even on the table. So under his imagined single payer system, illegal aliens would have to be covered. (I guess by virtue of his status as a Constitutional scholar based on reading an article on About.com, he's able to predict not only exactly how a law establishing single payer would be written, but also how the Supreme Court would interpret its coverage.)
One nitpick with your prior post, however. Section 246 was actually part of the House Bill, but wasn't itself included in the as-passed Affordable Care Act. The section of the ACA that most closely resembles section 246 of the House Bill is section 1412(d), which provides that "Nothing in this subtitle or the amendments made by this subtitle allows Federal payments, credits, or cost sharing reductions for individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." In addition, under section 1312(f)(3), persons not lawfully in the country are not eligible to purchase insurance through the Health Benefit Exchanges, EVEN IF THEY PAY THEIR OWN WAY. (But according to our resident Constitutional expert, that's probably unconstitutional, right Escariot? I wonder why no-one has challenged it. Maybe we should forward the About.com link to the ACLU!)
10:56 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
LOL, I picked the right time to actually read one of these comments. Nice, DawnP.
6:15 pm on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
For those of you that wish to see the actual supreme court rulings and the specific rights that have been given to illegal aliens under the 14th amendment.
8:58 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Since I have politely answered fifi's questions concerning why Romney has offshore accounts (to lower tax liability) he has still refused to answer why Obama has non-transcript records (which are private via federal law) sealed. Obama has now spent 4 million dollars to keep those financial aid applications, as well as his passport records sealed. Since he won't answer, i will. Wayne Root went on national tv and talked about his own sat scores and grades required to get into columbia, where he was a pre-law/political science major with Obama. Nobody in their entire class recalls him being there. Not surprisingly, Root talked about the only reason obama with poor grades in high school and Occidental college could not only get in, but pay for columbia and harvard. He would have had to have applied as a foreign exchange student from Indonesia. As Root so eloquently put it, it is now up to Obama to release those sealed college records to prove that he did not. Just like Harry Reid stated that Romney had to release his tax records to prove that he did not spend 10 years not paying taxes.
11:26 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
"Slow path to progress for U.S. immigrants 43% on welfare after 20 years.
The study, based on 2010 and 2011 census data, found that 43 percent of immigrants who have been in the U.S. at least 20 years were using welfare benefits, a rate that is nearly twice as high as native-born Americans and nearly 50 percent higher than recent immigrants."
Dream on...
11:28 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
A study by the "Center for Immigration Studies". CIS is a part of the Tanton Hate Cult.
That's like asking the KKK what they think about Black People.
11:38 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Or like asking you for truth!? Don't go after the messenger as your lame cop out, go after the study and dispute it if you can. You have shown no evidence the study is wring so be my guest.
11:52 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
It is curious you don't believe the US Census which the study was based on.
Do you have any info at all that would contradict the one posted? Feel free to debate it if you can.
11:44 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
A study conducted by the Tanton Hate Cult as reported by the Moonie paper!
11:50 am on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Dispute their findings if you can. It is easier to be an ass than to show your own studies isn't it?
12:19 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
You mean like this"
Frank 10:33 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
You sound insecure about your manhood. Maybe if you didn't start your day with a liquid breakfast, you might not have terminal ED.
Frank 5:30 pm on Monday, August 6, 2012
Crybaby - stick to trying to defend slavery.
Frank 8:42 am on Thursday, August 2, 2012
"Mr. Cathy" sounds kind of funny. With a name like that, he probably has gender-identity issues.
Frank 9:10 am on Thursday, August 2, 2012
Brian and Joe, it's relevant because most people who whine about "indoctrination" tend to have low levels of education themselves, and resentment towards those who have higher levels of education.
Look up hypocrite and find Frank!
1:28 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Yea the difference is you can define words the way you want. Go back into your sphincter Freak, er I mean Frank.
12:30 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
@Dawn P. Perhaps you should read posts and entire conversations before putting your foot in your mouth. I stated that voters vehemently objected to a single payer system during the healtchare deliberations because illegal aliens would be entitled to those healthcare benefits if it was passed under the 14th amendment. I am still correct on this issue. I never stated that illegal aliens would be entitled to healthcare exanges or reforms under obamacare. Read much? The single payer system was on the table until it became clear that they could not get the votes to push it through the senate even with reconciliation. To deny illegal aliens the chance to purchase healthcare under the exchanges is not unconstitutional because it is not a right that every citizen has under the law. If the government goes to a single payer system that encompasses all citizens, then illegal aliens would be entitled to that same "right" under the 14th amendment. Unlike you Dawn P, i have lawyers in my family that are public defenders and actually hand immigration law cases. Maybe if you actually discussed these issues with an attorney you would a handle on what rights illegal aliens have even though not expressly delineated in the constitution but based on supreme court interpretations of equal protection under the law.
2:02 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Actually, Escariot, I don't need to "discuss these issues with an attorney," as I am an attorney myself. I don't work in immigration law, but I DO work in healthcare law, and I am quite familiar with the 14th Amendment. (I also have a lot of lawyers in my family, but unlike you, I don't claim any special knowledge based on being related to them.)
Have you actually read any of the cases on this issue, or are you relying solely on the about.com summary for your legal conclusions? (Don't answer, I already know you haven't read them.) The issue is not NEARLY as black and white as you make it out to be. Perhaps this is difficult for a non-lawyer to grasp, but the law is actually very nuanced and facts/details matter. If deciding whether something is Constitutional was a simple "if x, then y" proposition, we wouldn't even need courts -- we could just let computers decide cases based on checked boxes.
You can't pre-judge how the Supreme Court would decide on the Constitutionality of a law that hasn't even been written. And no, single payer was never actually "on the table" in terms of bills actually written and debated. The CONCEPT was on the table very briefly, but sadly the idea was abandoned. (And contrary to your delusions of grandeur, the trashing of the idea of single payer had much more to do with the power of the insurance companies than with Tea Party concerns about illegal immigrants.)
1:08 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
DREAM Act a nightmare for legal immigrant. Legal immigrqants can't stay but ILLEGAL ones are treated like royalty by this fraudulent regime of Barry Soetoro.
"If Lauren Gray's parents had been illegal immigrants, she wouldn't be facing deportation.
Lauren Gray, a dancer who turns 21 on Wednesday, has lived in the U.S. since she was just 4, when her parents came here from England. But they came on work visas and, once she turns 21, Gray can't piggyback on those permits. So, barring a last-minute miracle, Gray is about to leave for "home," to a country that's foreign to her. While she is not being forcibly deported, she plans to "self-deport" rather than remain here illegally.
"The U.S. is the country I was raised in," Gray, who lives in Trenton, Mo., about 90 miles northeast of Kansas City, told FoxNews.com. "I am unwanted in the country I call home."
1:09 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
"Ironically, under the DREAM Act-style guidelines now being followed by the Obama administration, an illegal immigrant in Gray's position would be welcome to stay while following a path to citizenship. Earlier this year, the president instructed the Justice Department not to deport law-abiding illegal immigrants if they arrived as minors, graduated high school and have lived in the U.S. for at least five years before 2001, though the administration has denied the guidelines amount to amnesty. While the DREAM Act was designed to apply only to illegal immigrants, the Obama guidelines do cover legal immigrants -- provided their immigration status expired prior to June 15.
Illegal immigrants can also obtain a six-year residency if they complete two years in the military or two years in a four-year institution of higher learning. Once they earn a degree or complete two years in good standing, they may qualify for permanent residency. But Gray has one last shot. Last week, she met with her home-state lawmakers in Washington and pressed her cause to Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., and Rep. Sam Graves, R-Mo.Gray came away from their meeting believing she might get to stay after all.
"Sen. Blunt and his staff have been working closely on this case for many months and recently met with Lauren and her family, but, due to privacy issues, we can't comment further on the details," said Blunt's spokeswoman, Amber Marchand."
1:51 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
The only reason it's news is that she is a blue eyed blonde. If she was Conchita from Juarez she would already be on the bus.
2:23 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Steve must be illiterate. If she was "Conchita from Juarez " she would get a pass as the story notes. What a troll.
2:33 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
This is actually old news. She has been allowed to stay in the US.
1:18 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
So far we have Faux News and the Moonie paper. What's next ? American Stinker??
2:19 pm on Wednesday, February 6, 2013
Well you know what dickwads, IF your sources like Al Sharpton and Ralph Madcow covered the news you too may be better informed. Your woefully under informed and lack any ability to discuss the issues. To you dickwads if MSDNC didn't cover it it is not news. So closed minded for a part of the tolerant left.
B Allen
3:41 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Frank, whats the matter you all frustrated because you and your buddies did not have your circle jerk last night and stroke each others egos? what a libtard.
1:26 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
An immigration attorney from Portland, Oregon has offered assistance to the Gray family of Trenton in the family's attempts to allow Lauren Gray to legally remain in the United States when she turns 21 next month. Brent Renison is with the law firm Parrilli-Renison of Portland.
He is part of the efforts in determining who Lauren, and her mother Ali, should see when they are in Washington, DC on Monday and Tuesday of next week (July 30th and 31st):
Idiots deny the facts in the face of them.
2:39 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
@Dawn P. You claimed that single payer was never on the table. Please explain then how the Kucinich amandment for a single payer system was attached as an amendment to a bill but did not pass? I have read several cases involving illegal aliens and their rights as decided by the supreme court and other courts. The second you make healthcare a universal right that is provided to all citizens you will open access to illegals in the same manner of public education. Working in healthcare nothing makes me happier than to know that november will bring about the repealing of obamacara and a new president that actually follows the rule of law in this country.
2:49 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
And no, single payer was never actually "on the table" in terms of bills actually written and debated. The CONCEPT was on the table very briefly, but sadly the idea was abandoned. My point is that statement is false. The single payer attempt was attached to a bill, which makes it more than a CONCEPT. The fact that it did not pass a vote does not mean that there was not an attempt to get it passed.
3:58 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
The Kucinich Amendment would NOT have established a federal single payer system. It would have allowed waivers so that individual states could (each) establish their own single payer systems.
As for the Equal Protection clause, it absolutely does NOT mean that Congress or the States can't make distinctions between who they provide certain rights to and who they don't. (If it meant that, we'd already have marriage equality.) What it means, according to Supreme Court jurisprudence, is that when Congress or the states make distinctions between "classes" of people, those distinctions must be scrutinized to be sure that they are related to the purpose of the law. There are different levels of scrutiny, depending on the "right" at issue and/or the class of people affected. In Plyler v. Doe, the Court found that undocumented immigrants were not a "suspect class," nor was education a "fundamental right," either of which would have invoked the highest level of scrutiny. Instead, based on the importance of education and the fact that the Texas law specifically affected the CHILDREN of illegal immigrants, the Court applied Intermediate Scrutiny and found that the TX law was unconstitutional because it was not substantially related to an important governmental interest.
The Supreme Court has never said whether it would apply Intermediate or (the lower) rational basis scrutiny to laws that provide disparate treatment to undocumented adults. [continued...]
4:04 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
[continued] We also don't know whether the Court would consider healthcare a "fundamental right," although I highly doubt it. So there is simply NO WAY of knowing even what level of scrutiny the Court would apply to a single payer system that excluded undocumented persons, let alone how the Court would rule. Presumably, since you think it's so important, the opponents of providing healthcare to undocumented persons would be able to establish that excluding them was either "substantially related" to an "important governmental interest" [intermediate scrutiny] or "reasonably related" to a "legitimate" governmental interest [rational basis scrutiny]. And assuming that could be established, the Court would uphold a single payer system that applied only to citizens. The only way you Tea Baggers would lose is if you couldn't prove to the Court that you had an adequate basis for discriminating against undocumented persons.
B Allen
4:11 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
No Frankie, just saw the knuckleheaded statements you pansies had for today and thought I would just point out once again how foolish you little girls are. Looks like you people did not have your little circle last night and stroke each others egos, you all are in a bad mmod because more truth is coming out and idiots like Reid and Pelosi and OWEmalley and other dems are being made the fools with thyeir ASSumptions. Just like Pelosi said, lets pass it and then we wil find out what is in it...typical of the democrat lies and deceipt...civility HA!!! what a bunch of hypocrites.
3:46 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
While I agree with a lot of those sentiments b allen, my focus for now resides in the way that liberals try "back door" processes to bring about things that congress and the voters would never approve of if made aware. The Kucinich amendment was a past (2009) attempt to get a single payer system into play while a more recent example is easy to mention. It is called the International Arms Treaty. If you read it as written, it would be superior to our own supreme court and constitution concerning the 2nd amendment to bear arms based on the supremacy clause of the constitution. It was an attempt through treaty to override the 2nd amendment without voters having any say on the loss of our sovereignty. Hillary and others claimed it would do no such thing and acted innocent. 51 senators, comprised of both dems and repubs sent a letter to Clinton stating they would boycott voting for the treaty unless it was expressly written into the treaty that our courts would have precedent over the un nations entity that would enforce the treaty. Mysteriously and magically, the treatly slated for vote on july 27th has not come back with the new language. Funny, if the bill never overrode the constituiton in its original language, then it would have taken 30 seconds to add that little addendum. Instead, it is August 8th and no treaty has come forward with the changes.
3:51 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
The latest conspiracy. First there were the Birthers, then the "Fast and Fumble'ers", now it's the "Evil UN". idiots with their International Arms Treaty and Agenda 21 conspiracies.
They already said the treaty will be ready for another vote sometime in October... (despite what Glen Beck and Michael Weiner/Savage say
B Allen
4:34 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Peter Franchot, the only one in MD democratic party who is on the up and up. The pathetic, sleezy, lieing, deceiptfut, corrupt democrats in MD should ALL be investigated by who is paying them illegall funds being there From the scumbag unions like SEIU to the socialist groups like casa of md and the sleezeball gustavo torres, who is getting funds from hugo chavez. How can you scumbags look at yourselves in the mirror, oh wait, I know why, you have NO morals at all. You are all just blinded by your egotism. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/blog/bal-franchot-urges-disclosure-of-gambling-money-20120808,0,4975167.story
4:41 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I am sorry but I am laughing at B Allen and my sides hurt, you are one of the most stupid persons in Maryland. You are crazy. I run out of descriptives for you. My kitchen table is smarter than you, it never gets an answer wrong. Gosh, so dumb are you.
B Allen
4:46 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
Like I really care what some little illegal footfairy has to say. You show your stupidity and you remove all doubt of being a fool every time you comment here. Bet you are not so tough in person...probably get your ass kicked every day because you deserve it by opening your mouth. Don't worry, Romney will make sure all the illegals are not given any more handouts and you all will just disappear.
5:17 pm on Wednesday, August 8, 2012
I am laughing so hard, Romney sending illegals back!? His business buddies will kill him if he sends their workers back. BB has a brain of a BB.
Andrew Metcalf
12:00 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Multiple comments from user "B Allen" have been deleted for violating our terms of use, please do not swear or write personal attacks.
12:15 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Mr Metcalf, you all seem mighty selective in what you term "personal attacks" and totally fail to follow whatever that means, consistently. See FIFA and friends.
Andrew Metcalf
12:20 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
@Joe I understand sometimes these politically-charged threads devolve into shouting, but if I see something that violates our terms of use, I'll delete it. I noticed a swear in one of B. Allen's comments so I search the thread and found six other instances of the same swear, so I deleted them. I don't have the time to constantly monitor long comment threads, but users can flag inappropriate comments. If enough users flag the comments, they will automatically be deleted.
Try to keep it on topic, civil and engaging. Thanks!
12:20 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
And Mr Metcalf, see above from Frank as well. Barely one post does not contain some personal attack on the poster and little on the post. Be consistent please.
If not then all is allowed.
B Allen
3:38 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Metcalf, I also see that you also deleted the ones with the truth. I have attached facts and figures that these people continue to attack. Why not delete these losers who continue to rant and rave and throw temper tantrums when they are called out when posting false information. Not one of these left wingers have come up with ANY substantiated facts or figures. All they do is resort to namecalling because they are incapable of discussing anything. You preach civility and all you give is Hypocricy OK from now on I will refer to "them" as morons instead of DA's. Here are perfect examples, Frank has said he is an accountant, his comments prove that he is incompetant as an accountant because he does not even understand the basics of economics and business. FIFA saya he is a business owner, HAHA he should be mad that he will have to pay higher taxes as a business owner, if he really is. These guys lie and they are mad because the have been "outed". If anyone should be deleted, it should be those who go on the attack (the criminals) not the ones defending themselves (victims). Which is typical of the leftists, to protect those committing crimes and not the ones who the crimes are committed against. Just like in this case, the people of MD are getting robbed and these people are defending the criminals.
B Allen
3:58 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Metcalf, I read your profile. You should have paid closer attn in journalism class when they talked about printing the truth and report what is newsworthy. Seems this is just a sounding board for the left wing socialists trying to take power over the people but you NEVER thought you would have people like myself fighting back with thuth, facts and figures. You thought thus would be a coooommmm byyy yaaaa (try to figure that out Frankieboy) gathering board for the lefties. I am married to a journalist and my father in law was also a journalist. My father in law has been out of it for about 30 yrs, he can't stand todays journalists. Even my dem wife can't believe what you people put out there. She went way of writing websites. Maybe they should make you people take the "Hippocratic Oath" for journalism and not abide by your "hypocrite(ic) Oath". This is NOT an attack, it is my taking advantage of MY free speech, which you lefties don't like when it disagrees with your falsehoods and outs your hypocracy
B Allen
4:17 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
there goes frankieboy crying again. You deviated from the subject when I outed you and you BB's the first time and you have been trying to defend your lack of intelligence, lack of knowledge about issues and disregard for truth, ever since.
B Allen
4:41 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Frankieboy, typical left wing spinjob. If you are going to cut and paste, then cut an d paste the whoe statement. You are such a little girl.
B Allen
4:43 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
and the typos are deliberate, so you have something to come back on and make yourself look like an idiot once again. Don't you just hate it when the truth hits you right between the eyes.
4:56 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Hippocrates was a physician. Why in the Hell would a journalist take a Hippocratic oath?
5:18 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Sorry, was watching the women's soccer team win the gold. Has B Allen been deleted yet. There is a movie called Eraser.
5:30 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Gosh B Allen is calling out the arbiter! BB, go look that up.
B Allen
4:05 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Hey Metcalf, there is NOTHING civil about you people. You go on the attack when someone disagrees with your dimented point of view. You continue to try and gang up on one person, hell i can smear the streets with all of you. You people continue to pick one out and then attack, why? Because you are pansies and need help. Not one of these knuckleheads could come up with ONE peice of information that is worthwhile, they continue to attack the facts with made up stories and calling names, etc. I can't believe that you would even let them post on your "prestigious" left wing blog...why would you even want to associate with these people.
12:25 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I have heard this somewhere before!? Frank or Steve can you help me out here?
12:40 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
What's next on your agenda FIFI? Animal love? Here is a skit about you.
1:41 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Joe, your inferiority complex is showing. You just can't handle people smarter than you that disagree with you. You hang around only with people that nod their heads while thinking about Crazy Uncle Joe.. It is okay, there is a job for everyone.
B Allen
11:57 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Frankiegirl, looks like you forgot to take your Meds and your estrogen for women pills ths morning.
8:47 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I thought we needed illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do? So what are these kids going to do once they graduate? Cut grass or shuck clams or do construction work? No, they're going to compete with American Citizens for scarce jobs. Who the heck couldn't see this coming. A friend of mine went through the whole process to become an American Citizen, and she's ticked as heck at these line jumpers (she's my family doctor). She feels she went through the procedures required by law, and these folks illegally enter our country and expect to be welcomed? Repeal the "Dream" Act. Deport, not support, illegal aliens.
8:56 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
Since they are smarter than you and want to work, how about you leave?
9:02 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I think we should pay for these illegals to go to school. I think we should pay taxes to cover those who don't want to work. I think we should have a policy that the more kids you have on welfare the more money you get. I think only hard working responsible people who buy houses within thier means - have only the number of kids they can afford - keep thier properties maintained - only they should pay taxes........wait that already happens - forget it
9:06 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
I would help pay for you to leave. Your sole and only right to stay here is your presumed birthright, you contribute nothing but your mouth. Leave.
12:57 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
DS and all Patch posters, I hope you are registered voters and make your feelings known this November.
B Allen
11:50 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
FIFA the foot fairy, I will send you back to where you came from by the end of my foot.
7:42 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
We will vote agaisnt the referendum parkvillehoney. What i find to be hilarious however is that fifi is on here telling citizens to leave and questioning their contribution to society. What have you ever done fifi, that was not in terms of benefitting yourself? Have you donated to charities to help illegal aliens? Have you ever even worked with charities like a food bank or special olympics? Based on your posts it is clearly evident that you have not. Instead you simply accuse anyone that does not agree with you a racist or a bigot. When november comes and other illegals watch the dream act get reversed by Romney's executive order what will you do? Who will you complain to then?
9:06 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Escargot, you continue to feed at the government trough. Is that your contribution to society, stealing money from Medicare? How many times have you overcharged us?
12:21 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
FIFI volunteers at the children's hospitals where there are plenty f victims to choose from. That is honorable among his peers at NAMBLA.
8:59 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
FIFA - I can't leave - who will get up and go to work and pay enourmous OWEMalleytaxes to support people like you who count on handouts - who? That's right - nobody - so go back to bed - sleep in until noon - go to the mailbox and pick up your welfare check - and leave the hard stuff to us.
9:07 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
More OWE brilliance. Is that as good as you got? Sorry no welfare checks here.
10:33 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
I am glad that you still enbody the hypocritical nature of what it means to be liberal fifi. I asked what YOU did to contribute to society, and i get a half-crocked reply about medicare. That is especially humorous because i am not involved in the direct billing of patients, the hospital itself does that. Unlike you, i am part of the 50% that PAYS taxes. You are in the 50 percentile that does not, which is why you are always whining like a little girl about your positions, yet do nothing at all to involve yourself. You have no involvement in charities or community projects, which is especially hypocritical considering that you could be placing calls and making signs for La raza, or other immigration foundations. It is simply rewarding to know that there are 50 percenters paying taxes that think like ds, parkevillehoney, and others that will show up at the ballot box. In effect fifa, you are like a catfish, all mouth and no ass.
11:57 am on Friday, August 10, 2012
Sorry you don't know me Escargot. You have no clue how many years of charitable work I have done or the fact I have paid more in income taxes than you ever will.
You collect money from Medicare, whether they pay you directly or through your employer is immaterial. You suck at the trough of government payments.
12:34 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
I don't believe FIFI has ever paid taxes! Word is he has cheated and used the young children he keeps tied up in his bunker as deductions and as dependents. That's what the word is in his neighborhood. He now has to prove he does not keep little children tied up in his bunker.
B Allen
1:59 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Hey there little girl frankie, at least I did enlist in 73 and put in 3 yrs service to my country, earned my DD214 Honorable Discharge then put 1 yr inactive and 2 yrs active in the reserves. Total of 6 yrs committment. Hey wait, were the pussy that tried to spit on me by the Silver Spring/ DC line just down from Walter Reed AMC and I "busted" in the face and split your nose open? BTW, 3 yrs in the military does not constitute being a government worker. what a richard cranium...guess your getting your "rocks" off again at humiliating yourself. pansy
2:31 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
That's cool, B Allen. Enlist, serve a noncombat role, and collect a paycheck in some corner of the world instead of being drafted and sent to Vietnam to actually fight. Pretty common for the time. Claiming that paycheck and benefits don't count as a government job is just dumb, though. Let me guess, all those entitlements you collect/are soon to collect aren't government handouts either, right? Do you know what the word "delusional" means, B Allen?
B Allen
3:40 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Hey Jag(off) at least I had the balls to enlist when the draft was ended. Whats the matter, you did not take your thorazine this morning? I guess your estrogine shots are working also, getting you all "moody"...hahaha you people are so funny to watch.
4:10 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
The draft ended in 1979. the next year they passed the law that called for all those 18 and over to Register with the SSA. I believe they stopped calling numbers in 1972.
B Allen
4:19 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
see Frankiegirl, now you show how stupid you are. Ending the draft did not end the war, the war was still going on for another 2 yrs after I enlisted and I was staged to go there after my training, so don't tell me. It goes to show that your age does not necessarily mean you are an adult. If you are an old fart like I think you may be, maybe you were dropping acid and going on "trips" and just NEVER came back to reality. YOU LOSE AGAIN... you should haave looked up the truth before you put your foot in your mouth again. That is what is wrong with you libtards, you are NOT even smart enough to look up the facts before you throw something out there.
B Allen
4:34 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Joe, 1973 ended the "draft" and went to all volunteer. At least I had the balls to join. None of these pansies would do it because they would crap and piss their pants in basis training. War in Vietnam ended in '75. 2 yrs after I enlisted.
12:43 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
I could not agree more. He posts all over the board about how much smarter he is than other posters, then states that I do not know him or his charitable works. If so fifi, then why would you tell another poster to leave the country because they do not contribute much? When i asked you about what you contribute, it went right back to insults and ignoring the question. What we have here Joe is a college student, more than likely living in the basement of mom and dad's house regurgitatiing the liberal viewpoints they hear in class every day. It is very obvious since first posting that he is not successful such as other business people that post on here, whether i disagree with them or not. He is silently praying for another term for his hero, otherwise he will actually have to go out and earn a living. When he does there will be an appreciation for taxpayer money, and how it is spent. Until then consider class to be in session.............
B Allen
2:11 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Looks like these libtards are really getting their panties all wadded up because they are made to look like fools over and over again. Funny to see how defensive they get when they are caught in their lies and deciept that plagues the left wing nutjobs. They don't know what to say next and they ramble on with foolish statements. HAHAHA You numbnuts are trying to get your last "digs" in before you lose your savior in the white house come november. You still have a shiver running up your leg, just like that castradi Chris Matthews? You all are typical like this idiot libtard woman in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
B Allen
3:58 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Frankie girl, it's too bad you feel that way about yourself, but then again you and your girlfriends keep making fools of yourself. That is why i was asking if you castradi's get your rocks off being humiliated. Guess you girls find if erotic and stimulating to the small mass of grey watter between the holes in your head? I have had enough of making you nitwits look like fools and seeing others who disgaree with you make you look like your Mascott, the "jackass". Think I may drive to Delaware and spend another couple thousand on a new surround sound system for my in home theater and donate my old one to purple heart or something. I need all the writeoffs I can to make up for all the money I make on dividends on investments, at 15% . Nice to be under 60 and not have to work unless I feel like it and NOT take handouts like jagoff says...such a little girl throwing a temper tantrum. I would use the "P" or the "C" word to describe you pansies, but your idol Bill dumbs**t Maher already used those words...such civility with you hypocrites. Go ahead and post what you want, noone is going to listen anymore except you little girls.
5:58 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
While the citizens of Maryland are whining about the Romney/Obama campaigns, the city of Baltimore is spending money that they don't have and then pleading "poverty" to the citizens to raise taxes. What a joke!
B Allen
8:27 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
The reason the city of baltimore is broke is because you have libtards running it. Vote the dems out and you will see things turn around. Just look what happened in Wisconsin with the idiot dems trying a recall vote and got burned...again. The people of Wisconsin (even the dems) finally got it and voted against the oppressive, power grabbing, regulating loving, business hating, success hating, libtard and union scumbags that spent a boatload of money trying to win back the statehouse. Wisconsin is much better off now than it has been in a long time under the libtarded dems. Even the unions have lost alot of members becuase people do not want to be forced into unions and have to pay their "dues" which go to the rich union bosses and dems campaigns.
Tom Henry
6:27 pm on Sunday, August 26, 2012
"My mother has always told me that education is the path to my success and I very much believe that,"
Hey Karina, you ignorant welp, how about getting "educated" about how to be here through law-abiding means! You are helping to destroy opportunities for Marylanders who have NEVER broken the law.
12:21 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
These children have never broken a law either, that's the point, "you ignorant welp".
Tom Henry
7:16 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
Hey Jag,
Maybe you didn't read the article. It clearly states she is an illegal, so unless the article is wrong, this is what it says....
"....bill that would grant in-state tuition rates to students like herself who are in this country illegally or are considered undocumented immigrants.."
Further, it's a bill on the ballot. It is NOT yet law. No ignorance on my part. All this will serve to do is provide access to those who have not earned it; i.e. they are not citizens of Maryland. My 4 children are at risk of being bumped when applying to our area colleges, yet having equal qualifications. I'm seeing it already at places like UMBC, who have been operating this way long before this bill his Annapolis. See below:
10:40 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
You seriously think these children broke the law? Really??? So if a adult speeds or drives without a licence (a similar, civil infraction) then the child in the backseat should be charged with breaking the law as well??? Can you explain the logical, ethical, practical, or economic reasoning behind such a backwards viewpoint, please????
The alternative of demanding these in-state children of tax-filing parents be encouraged to NOT attend in-state schools is, obviously, remarkably short-sighted. Would I rather these kids go to college and realize their potential as educated, productive, tax-paying members of society or would I rather demand that they be forced into the underclass, pay less in taxes, and consume more in govt. services? The answer to that is clear and obviously to anyone who comes to the debate unadulterated by nonsensical misconceptions and fears (e.g. your rant about UMBC - that blog post supports the opposite of what you're saying, btw).
B Allen
8:17 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
Steviegirl, wrong again!!! It is NOT law...just because that village idiot relative of yours OWEmalley signed it, it does not mean a thing. He is just like your mascot (jackass). I wonder how much he is paying you libtards to post nonesense on here. You little girls have been given facts, figures, the truth and you STILL continue to make fools of yourself posting nonsense. If you don't get it, you will never get it. Typical public school education. brainwashed libtards. Whats the propblem with you people, you have not been able to have any cirlcle jerks and cooommm byy aaaaa sessions? ROFLMAO watching you fools.
B Allen
8:11 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
Just had to come here and post. I see the little girls (steviegirl, fifa the foot fairy, jag-off, Frankiegirl, etc) are still here throwing temper tantrums because they can make no case. Their so called civility is, having to call people names, they have no facts or figures to back up ANYTHING they say. They are just a bunch of blowhards who had 98% of their grey matter sucked out by the dumbocrap party and left 2% for bodily functions, to tote the water and drink the kool aide and vote for the libtards. It is funny watching you little girls continue to make fools of yourself.
8:47 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
(steviegirl, fifa the foot fairy, jag-off, Frankiegirl, etc) hehehehehe
11:32 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
"...having to call people names, they have no facts or figures to back up ANYTHING they say. They are just a bunch of blowhards..."
Are you being intentionally ironic? Or do you think that your 98% / 2% insult counts as "facts and figures"?
10:51 am on Monday, August 27, 2012
LOL I will take my public school education over any private school education any time!
Michael Brown
1:38 pm on Monday, August 27, 2012
The ignorance and hate expressed by some bloggers is disgusting - on both sides. Some on the left don't want to recognize that there is a problem and some on the right don't want to recognize that these are human children. Children raised in America as Americans. Some want to threaten these children and take away whatever dignity they can strip from them.
Whatever makes Americans an American has little to do with where they come from, what language they speak, what religion they have, their color, or their ethnicity. What makes Americans American is their support for and defense of the Constitution of the United States.
As an American you must accept that "all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness." That is the Constitution that defines America.
Many of the early immigrants came here to escape poverty, religious and political persecution, or other conditions that robbed them of those inalienable rights. As did the parents of these children.
Yes, we need to do a better job at controlling our borders. As a nation, we have a right to limit immigration. However, the children identified in the Dream Act are as American as our children except for where they were born. These children are here and want to be Americans. Wouldn't be easier and less expensive for everybody to stop discriminating against them and, rather, provide a path to citizenship?