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Should Missouri Teachers Get Tenure?
A state senator from the area has pushed a measure to double the time it takes teachers to get tenure from five to 10 years.
Efforts have been underway to eliminate tenure for public school teachers in Missouri, but those have largely come up short in the state legislature.
The Columbia Missourian reported Tuesday that the "debate came to halt when a divided (state senate) chamber approved an amendment to keep tenure in place while a special task force examines teacher pay and effectiveness."
But the issue hasn't entirely died. On Thursday, Sen. Jane Cunningham, R-Chesterfield, amended her original version of the bill; now, that version has gotten first-round approval in the state senate. It would double from five to 10 years the number of years a teacher must serve before earning tenure.
MissouriNet reports that, according to Cunningham, "the tenure system makes it too hard to get rid of ineffective teachers, (and she) had wanted to eliminate tenure but has settled for a version of her bill that another senator calls 'watered down.'"
The Missourian notes that tenure makes it difficult for school districts to get rid of a teacher for any reasons other than immoral conduct; incompetency, inefficiency or insubordination; willful or persistent violation of the state's school laws or regulations; excessive absences; or conviction of certain felonies.
Proponents of eliminating or weakening tenure say the existing system makes it too difficult to fire underperforming teachers.
Democratic Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, D-St. Louis County, was the only Democrat opposed to keeping the teacher tenure system intact, according to a report by CBS Radio in St. Louis.
"All I am asking for is accountability," Chappelle-Nadal told CBS; she is also a school board member for University City.
Do you agree? Should Missouri weaken the tenure system — if not eliminate it altogether? Or should teachers have the sort of job protection tenure affords?
Patch blogger, Aimee Granneman, has spoken out in support of teachers and tenure. Read her blog, "For Whome the Tenure Tolls."
Morgan Q. Mance, EA
7:07 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I believe teachers have an extremely important job as their influence shapes the future of our nation. Because of this simple fact, however, I do not believe that tenure should be given away so freely to teachers. There ARE too many ineffective, lazy teachers who do not take their responsibility seriously. I vote that tenure should only be granted after ten years of a teacher showing exemplary results with their students. Anything less is selling our children's futures short.
Matt Good
9:01 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
When was the last time you were in a school or had a real conversation with a teacher about his or her job? I'm a public school teacher. I am not lazy or ineffective, and I take my responsibility very seriously. I collaborate with many teachers in my district and surrounding districts. I have yet to work with a teacher who is lazy and ineffective, and all the teachers I know takes their jobs seriously.
Morgan Q. Mance, EA
10:12 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012
To Matt Good,
Wow, that's fantastic... and certainly contradictory to what I have witnessed in the WG school district. Maybe I ought to move to your school's area if all the teachers you encounter have the same drive as you!
11:36 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012
Matt - I'm sure you are dedicated and good at your job, but really? You have never noticed any teacher who is lazy or ineffective and they all take their job seriously? All your fellow colleagues are above average? You can think of no one who is maybe just a little too complacent, stuck in a rut, has low expectations, or is just marking time? Or maybe it's just you who doesn't have very high standards? Like the old saying goes, when you're sitting at a poker table and you can't spot the fool in the first 15 minutes, you are the fool.
Although I only taught for a very short time, I can tell you that going through my teacher certification classes, student teacher training, and actual teaching, spotting the ineffective teachers was pretty easy. There were the teachers who had their students coloring to do their science assignments - in high school! There were the colleagues who couldn't explain how or why an experiment worked, and all it required was a basic knowledge of algebra. There were teachers who had the attitude that they didn't really care if the students learned anything in their class or not, because if they really needed to know it, they would learn it in college. And there was the guy who did nothing but show disaster movies and give quizzes on them and called it Earth Science. And all of this was at suburban schools in St. Louis and St. Charles. (Not Ladue or Clayton, BTW, who actually do have some pretty amazing teachers and students.)
Bob Emling
8:07 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Senator Cunningham is absolutely correct. I think the 10 year for tenure is fair. We spend a lot of money to educate children, and if you look at the results in some area's, they are not good. Our taxes keep going up, and our homes keep going down in value. Let's get rid of ineffective teachers.
Cindy Thierry
9:31 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Kurt, school boards do not hire and fire teachers. That is the responsibility of the superintendent. Politics should not have an impact on a teacher's job security.
St. Louis is a destination
12:38 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
If that is the case why did people like mjf say that the teachers should be angry with the school board because the district balanced the budget on the backs of teachers.
NO people say the craziest things.
Fixed Income
3:01 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
5 of the 7 members of the board are or were teachers. How is that crazy?
St. Louis is a destination
3:23 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Is it possible that school board members look out for the best interest of the school district and not just look out for teachers.
FI, time for you to run for the school board. It seems you know much better than these volunteers.
Was the school district's budget balanced on the backs of teachers or were teachers protected by the school board?
Fixed Income
7:36 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Last time I checked they will be getting a raise with the tax increase as will you.
Earl Higgins
8:57 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I'm all for rooting out ineffective teachers, I just find it hard to believe that increasing time to reach tenure is the solution. According to the article, tenured teachers can still be fired for "immoral conduct; incompetency, inefficiency,..." and a bunch of other things. What other reasons do you need, and how exactly does increasing time to tenure help you? Honest question, I do want to be enlightened on this issue, thanks!
Ray Antonacci
9:28 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I agree with Mr. Higgins, the ...incompetency, inefficiency...wording gives administrators all the ammo they need to get rid of a lousy teacher. The administrators need to get some backbone and fire those teachers. Incompetency is usually seen in a worker within 5 years. I also agree with the fact that school boards being political entities can decide to "clean house" and put good teachers out of work for voicing there opinion on political issues. Leave it at 5 years and make the administrators do their job by evaluating teachers in the classroom.
Kurt Greenbaum
10:05 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Cindy: I completely get that. But they do hire and fire superintendents. It's still a system in which politics can play a part. Thanks for your reply!
10:22 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Thanks Kurt. Working with & watching the political wheel in Jeff City spin over the last 5 years in balance with watching three daughters go through all the levels of schooling. I have to say that there is more political posturing/biting in the schools than at the capital. That said, how do we right the ship that is sailing on the wrong course? Again my observations over time and in several different school districts yields to me some trends. First is schools hire young education majors directly out of college expecting them to serve as seasoned professionals. These teachers need mentoring, which all too often does not happen, mostly for financial reasons. Couple the inexperienced with ability to get fired at any moment and for any reason (trumped up or not) and you have a large group of teachers terrified acting like long tailed cats in a room filled with rocking chairs. The other observation is something happens to the mindset of a tenured teacher. She/he knows how to play the political game and understands the parameters. The results are all too often a teacher lacking proper motivation. The trend is complacency, laziness, and/or willfulness. In all of these the losers are the students.
10:26 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Sorry, I did want to sound too harsh...These are just trends and not statements about every teacher individually. To me it shows the need for better management of the asset known as personnel. Tenure should be eliminated because it acts as a "one size fits all" solution to a much more complex problem. It is the easy answer, the easy road leading to failure. The much harder road, yielding better educational fruit, is to create an environment of mentoring from day one, a feeling of security and accomplishment, fostering a sense of appreciation in pay and in career movement. I do not have the answers. I just know that the solutions lie in taking the harder road of life long educating our educators to thereby benefit the generations to come. Our careers are journeys and not destinations.
Michael Rhodes
10:26 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
I guess I do not fully understand what tenure actully provides to job security. As noted above educators can be let go for a variety reason and can be rifed as well (based on senority in most districts). I do feel for the teacher that is completing there third or fourth year only be told what use to be the rule isn't anymore. Than they (hopefully) spend the next five or six years hoping it isn't raised again.
Michael Rhodes
11:34 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
The only benefit to tenure I can think of is it does protect an experience educator from be let go for financial reason and replaced with a new (cheaper) education. SInce an educator can have 10 years experience and still be in their 30s they would not be able to claim age discrimination.
11:01 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
When the administrators such as the principals and superintendents are held to the same standards as the teachers, that is the only time things will change. It's ironic that there is no mention of the principals or superintendents role in the school system and tenure.
If the tenure is changed to 10 years, you are going to see a decline in new teachers, and a far worse decline of people remaining in this profession.
Jean Whitney
11:18 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Re Earl's comment: I'm wondering if we have seen data here, on how frequently teachers are fired for "immoral conduct; incompetency, inefficiency,..."? Interesting point Earl.
Robert A. Williams
11:27 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
There is no room for tenure. There are young, energetic teachers coming out of school that are willing to teach, while some seasoned teachers just want to collect a paycheck. I work in construction and I belong (unfortunately) to a labor union. If I mess up there is no tenure to save me. I just get laid off and have to job search, again. Educators should not get a pass from failure. Doctors lose their license if they fail, why can't teachers?
Michael O'Fallon
11:59 am on Friday, April 6, 2012
Good for Chappelle-Nadal for voting her conscience rather than caving to the pressures of going with the flow. Teachers' unions and the NEA are extremely powerful and influential entities with no shortage of funds.
When a tenured teacher needs to be let go, the union gets in a tizzy and fires both barrels at the school district. The district needs to be able to manage its staff to meet the needs of the children, not the teachers union. God bless our teachers as they do a great service to our society, but that does give the *unions* the right to protect bad teachers at all costs.
7:59 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
We can delve into tenure, budgets, teacher comp., and school board issues all day long. And just watch, people surely will delve- as the divisive boilerplate arguments are established in other states. The true motive here is to stir up sentiment against the teacher unions, and I fear public education itself - for political reasons. Hard to believe that public education can be made into a wedge issue, but that is getting to be the case.
I have a parochial school background, yet have been greatly impressed by quality of teachers and support staff (young and old) over the last several years at my daughters' public schools.
The education of our kids is a collaborative effort, with more experienced teachers helping the younger who bring valuable energy to the school. Toss out your business models that so-called "reformers" want to impose on schools -education is and always has been personal.
I am sure some here will share public school experiences that aren't as positive as ours. We will likely read much negativity about teacher unions. It just goes to show, like any endeavor or workplace - schools, teachers and unions are far from perfect. Any teacher will tell you that. However, in this new economic climate, where a quality public education is more important than ever, it is a shame that public education and teaching is being singled out in this manner by politicians.
9:06 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
Fixed income, Ladue public schools have some of the best yeast scores around, maybe the union run schools are the best. Who do you think is in the trenches?teachers, they have the experience to fight for student learning.
Fixed Income
9:03 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
They have great scores because we spend a lot of money on the schools and they have dedicated parents who require their kids to study and are involved in the schools. One only needs to look at the recent massive tax hike the parents rammed through while 12000 taxpayers stayed home and slept. You could pick up the families in the Ladue district and plop them down in the city and the city would have the top school district. My complaint is the foxes are watching the henhouse. While test scores are high, teachers do not generally have the skills to administer a $50 million budget and often will make decisions based on what they know rather than what decisions need to be made. That is why you see bad decisions like buying a new highs school building in a recession without funds to operate it and spending the rainy day fund during sunny weather. It is why civilians control the military. One can see how this works by looking at the many fire districts controlled by the firefighters unions. They are the champs. That's where you get $90k secretaries and firemen making six figures. School board used to be something our city fathers saw as an obligation. Now, nobody wants to fool with it and the teachers are happy to fill the void.
3:31 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Getaclu ... Just so you know ... Ladue is NOT a union run school. To my knowledge, Ladue is the only non-union public school in the area. I may have misunderstood your post, but wanted to make sure.
Earl Higgins
9:15 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
stlpm636, do you have a source for the claim that Ladue Schools are non-union? I have never heard that, and the page at http://www.ladueschools.net/district/content/our-district/departments/human-resources/human-resources.shtml#jumpparagraph2 would seem to indicate otherwise. But please, if I'm wrong, educate me! Thanks.
jeff Jones
10:05 pm on Friday, April 6, 2012
I can tell you as a public school teacher with 20 years of experience that I have never seen such an antagonistic atmosphere towards those of us who have chosen this profession as I have in the last 1-2 years. I chose to teach because I love it. I work hard and I am good at it. I do not want anyone's sympathy or pity...I just want to be left alone to do the job I am capable of doing. Where are the posts about doctors? Lawyers? Bankers? Street Sweepers? Waiters? Insurance Agents? Realtors? Where is the republican outrage regarding these people? Why doesn't Jane Cunningham set up a task force on telecommunication workers? All I ask to be left alone...if you can't do that, spread your scrutiny of teachers across the professional diversity of occupations. Tell me another profession where 50% of the entrants quit within five years. And if teachers have it easy, are overpaid and do nothing...sign up or shut up.
Michael Rhodes
12:52 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Jeff, No thank you. Being an educator takes a special person and I believe it is more of a calling than anything else (outside religous service). Once again a few bad teachers can tarnish all.
Oh, and I work in telecommunications so can we not support a task force for that group. We have enough government regulations to deal with already. :)
10:11 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Jeff, if you are what you say you are, then you have nothing to worry about needing tenure. School administrators and parents don't want to just randomly fire good teachers. That said, I have not granted my lawyer, banker, street sweeper, waiter, insurance agent nor realtor have tenure. If they aren't doing their job, then I will replace them with someone who will do it. If I don't do my job, then someone will replace me. Why should teachers be treated any differently?
3:36 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Jeff, thank you for all you do. I agree with you. The hate directed towards teachers right now is frightening. Teachers develop the future of this country, yet are hated and vilified and dismissed so easily. Are there teachers out there who should just go away and never teach again? Yes. Are there school districts out there that need to be completely re-vamped? Yes. But people who are not teachers need to stop talking like they know what teaching is all about. If you aren't a teacher, come shadow a teacher for a week or two. Then, maybe, you have the right to speak about it.
3:38 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
mjf, tenure does not prevent underperforming teachers from being fired. It just means that the school district has to (God forbid) document the fact that they are under-performing before they can fire them.
6:37 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Let's cut through the nonsense. The true motive of the legislature and interest on this topic is not on anything as arcane as teacher tenure.
This "...while a special task force examines teacher pay and effectiveness." shows the true target -and ultimately teacher unions and their pensions-and who knows thereafter.... voucher systems, charters, larger class sizes etc.
And on that true topic - the notion of the efficiency experts in our Missouri legislature forming a task force on pay and effectiveness in our schools is ___ __(fill in the blank).
This task force will give us the results, once the Heritage Foundation or Show-Me Institute emails them the cut and paste.
8:23 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012
Amen Jeff! I also am a teacher. I'd love to see some of these anti-teacher individuals spend a week in my classroom with 30+ kids with different levels of ability, different social/emotional needs and varying attitudes about the need for education and see what kind of results they would have. If they can do a better job, please show me how!
Doctors and lawyers pay for insurance to protect them if they make a mistake. This is what teacher unions do. Should doctors need malpractice insurance? We take their experience and degree as proof of superior knowledge!
Why are teachers not afforded that same type of respect? Missouri is among the highest standards for teacher certification and while I agree, there are some that are just biding their time, there are many more others who care and are working hard to educate YOUR children. The NEA and other teacher unions are there to protect teachers from being released without just cause. There is ample opportunity to weed out "bad teachers" if administrators do their job to document and attempt to improve the situation.
NCLB, EOC's and the various other acronyms used to "prove teacher effectiveness" do not take into account the lack of support teachers receive from parents. I can offer the material, make it interesting and do what I feel is best for my students, but if parents don't reinforce the value of education and respect in the classroom, my test scores won't be what proves my "effectiveness."
Tom Diehl
1:04 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Speaking from experience, tenure does not prevent school districts from firing teachers who are ineffective or who violate district policies. As a school board member, I have participated in meetings where we have removed tenured teachers. Tenure prevents teachers from being fired for frivolous reasons. Tenure is important because boards change, and in the past, board members have tried to remove teachers because they disagree with their politics. Any administrator who is doing his or her job will spot a problem teacher before they earn tenure. In our district, the MNEA does not defend ineffective teachers. Why? Because ineffective teachers make everyone's job more difficult.
3:40 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Thank you, Tom. I wish everyone understood this distinction about tenure. It is so clear and obvious, yet no one seems to take it into account.
David Coulter
2:03 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
If the administration of a school district can't figure out in five years if a classroom teacher is doing an acceptable job I would believe it is the administration that need to be replaced. I can't think of any private sector positions that have a ten year probationary period.
8:38 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
David Coulter speaks the truth. An administrator should know if a teacher ineffective or not before 5years. Why do you need 10?
Tom Diehl
2:16 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
You are right David. But the state senate's bill does just the opposite.
8:44 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
When will the legislators stop blaming the teachers for all the problems, maybe we can fully fund public schools, let teachers do their jobs.
Christine Stewart Mehigh
10:44 am on Saturday, April 7, 2012
I agree Gataclu. It is the job of the administrators to get rid of incompetent teachers, so let them do their jobs, and let the excellent teachers do theirs. The legislators would do better to address the problems of homelessness, joblessness and the breakdown of the family in order to increase learning as all of these things have a negative impact upon students and their ability to learn.
3:51 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Count on our sound bite society to think that the problem with education boils down to tenure. Tenure can't protect bad teachers if administrators document poor performance and the face-to-face conversations that should come from a less-than desirable performance review. Unfortunately, most administrators can't carve out the time for adequate evaluation of each staff member. Others just may not have the disposition required for tough management. And there are more that a few adminstrators out there who simply don't know what good or bad teaching looks like. I find it fascinating that the public seems to focus all their ire on the teachers. Yes, there are bad teachers, but there wouldn't be if administrators did the difficult part of their jobs.
This isn't to imply that administrators have it easy or take the easy way out. A meaningful teacher evaluation requires more than observation; it should include lesson plan reviews, meaningful outcome measures, peer reviews to name a few tools. The difficulty is that classrooms are sole proprietorships that have to recreate a product using all new raw materials each and every year. It is hard to pinpoint where a problems lies in this ver fluid production stream, and the administrator who does it successfully is worth her/his weight in gold. The task most boards and Superintendents fail at lies here -- they don't protect and develop the soft asset skills of our admintrators so that they can get the best work out their teachers.
Kurt Greenbaum
5:39 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Someone has emailed me (quite indignantly, I might add!) and said that, in fact, hiring and firing of teachers IS a responsibility of the school board. He did not wish to participate in this conversation online, however. Does anyone know if he is correct?
Michael Rhodes
2:30 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Districts can opt to not renew a non-tenured teachers contract for the next school year with our input for the board. If they are terminating a teacher under contract or tenured I am unsure. I didn't think the board handled HR decisions. I think a teacher can appeal to the board as a form of grievence to retain or regain their position.
3:47 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
Technically, yes, the school board is responsible for hiring and firing. No one is "officially" on or off the books until the board has approved the motion. However, the board, generally, takes the recommendations of the administration, who are the ones who know the employees and conduct the interviews, etc.
8:44 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Administration has to get approval from the board of education.
8:55 pm on Saturday, April 7, 2012
Yes, school boards are responsible for hiring and firing teachers. I am a teacher. I signed my contract last week, but will not technically have a job until the next school board meeting when they approve it. I agree that all teachers should be teaching to their max ability all the time, whether or not they have tenure, and in a perfect world, I would say tenure could be eliminated. But, unfortunately, there are people who would take advantage of that. My dad was a teacher for 30 years. After teaching at a school for 25 years, the school board president that was elected did not like my dad because, as a coach, he had not played her son as much as she thought he should have. Because of this she influenced the rest of the board to take away his coaching responsibilities (that he had held for 25 years). These positions were not protected by tenure. I know that if he wouldn't have had tenure, despite his good evaluations, she would have had him fired from his teaching job also. This is only because she simply didn't agree with him or like him. I don't think tenure should be an excuse for ANY teacher to slack off. And honestly, most of us take our job very seriously and do EVERY thing we can to help our students be successful, because that is our job and it's what we love to do. I'm afraid taking tenure away is going to contribute to very good teachers losing their jobs for reasons unrelated to their teaching abilities.
10:25 am on Sunday, April 8, 2012
What you describe it terribly unfair - but how does that differ from anything the people encounter every day in the real world? Many, many people can describe situations where they are pressured to cave in to the demands of a boss that have nothing to do with their performance, and they aren't granted tenure. I can understand wanting to protect teachers from arbitrary decisions regarding their jobs, but is tenure really necessary?
Perhaps what is needed is a system that limits board power and leaves personnel decisions up to the professionals within the district. The board is there for appeals, recusing themselves if they have a personal interest, but it would be strictly against the rules for board members to involve themselves in pressuring personnel.
Personally, I'd love to see it, as often the worst behaved kids in any school, public or private, are the kids of those who sit in positions of power. You would not believe the abuse heaped on teachers by the kids of board members - who are afraid of instituting any discipline whatsoever for fear of retaliation. Not every kids does it, but God help the teacher (and the other students) with one of these monsters in their classroom.
10:20 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
CreveCoeurDad, the difference is we are dealing with the safety and well being of children. Teachers are mandated reporters. If students suffer abuse we have to an need to report the incident, even if it is the principal of the school or the superintendent or better yet a school board member.
10:22 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
"Perhaps what is needed is a system that limits board power and leaves personnel decisions up to the professionals within the district"
Agreed and it already exists. It's called tenure.
10:27 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
All then tenure in Missouri does is give due process. If teachers aren't performing , with good administration they will not stay in the classroom. 5 years is too long to wait if a teacher isn't doing a good job. Tenure should be given t in the first 3 years, we shouldn't wait for ten years.
10:52 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
mfj wrote: "I have not granted my lawyer, banker, street sweeper, waiter, insurance agent nor realtor have tenure. If they aren't doing their job, then I will replace them with someone who will do it. If I don't do my job, then someone will replace me. Why should teachers be treated any differently?"
It is simple- it is education, the business models do not apply in most circumstances. Generally-public schools can not choose or refuse students. If you are a lawyer or an insurance agent and your customer does not pay their bill or follow your rules of the deal, you can drop that customer. Teachers do not have that luxury-when parents don't show up for conferences or send kids to school without basic preparations or care.
I think you knew this difference already though. And not to be snarky - but you still can fire a teacher and home school or use a private school.
We've had no problem at all communicating with our public school and teachers over any concerns (fortunately not many). Actually, our teachers and the administration have been more responsive to us as individuals than any private or quasi-private sector service that we pay for- such as insurance, doctors, waiters, etc etc.
I am really doubtful that most parents prefer the state step in and regulate more/ handle matters with a school that any good parent should be able to handle themself.
teri Detter
9:37 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
according to Senator Brian Nieves, parents have favored a change in the tenure . He does have a website and a newsletter where his constituents have urged a reform in the teacher tenure law. Perhaps parents fear repercussions from teachers if they overtly vice their desires to the teachers who are responsible for their children.
9:58 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
Not buying it teri. Tenure was hardly on any parent's radar until partisan politicians decided to make it a wedge issue and a means to go after teacher unions. Senator Nieves having a website and a newsletter does not make it a reality (likely a cut and paste from the Heritage Foundation, Heartland Institute and the like).
Parents afraid to talk to their teachers - Are you making this up? When I have a question or request I get a response from my child's teacher within a half-day. Principal the same. Anyone can attend a board meeting. I have more open communications with my public school than any private sector service.
11:55 pm on Sunday, April 8, 2012
The anti teacher movement is scary. if teachers have it so easy with their tenure, high pay driving their fancy cars, then I guess some people made the wrong decision when they went to school. State with tenure and strong teacher unions have higher test scores.
teri Detter
9:02 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Due process is afforded to anyone employed in any company. There are gov. regulations that protect the employee from unfair practices of the employer. Every company follows those standards and if it doesnt than the employee can legally challenge a decision to be dismissed. It is my understanding that tenure was given to school districts by the gov prior to these across te board regulations. Unions fought for fair and just treatment of their people and the gov heard those concerns and thus created what today is the Equal Opportunity policy...it may not be called...
School districts have added perpfrmance standards that are teacher evaluations on a yearly basis . Appealing an evaluation is always an option . School boards are guided by their attorney in cases of dismissal and the documentation MUST BE FAIR and without any discriminating evidence. Tenure has run its course . It is a law under the new law so to speak.
9:17 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Tenure protects children. And I always see companies treating their employees fairly?????
teri Detter
9:59 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
I am not sure how tenure protects children can you explain that? and are you quoting me with that last rhetorical question? where is that posted ? Are you saying ALL companies treat their unfairly and dismissed them unjustly and without cause?
Christine Stewart Mehigh
9:30 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Teri, a probationary teacher in Missouri can be non-renewed for their contracts without reason and there is nothing they can do about it. Read up on teacher tenure law in this state if you need more explanation. Essentially, consider what it is like to teach for five years somewhere and just before you are tenured you are let go with no explanation and there is nothing you can do about it, and no one may have tried to help you get to be better at teaching in that entire time. I fail to see how making this a longer and more stressful process for teachers is doing anything to help students. To see how a successful system is run, look to Finland : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8601207.stm
teri Detter
10:09 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Every school district has a set procedure that it incorporates to evaluate each teacher yearly. These evaluations are documentations that are discussed with the teacher twice a year by the principal. These evals can be changed through discussions with the principal . The teacher does have input and is aware of the performance standards.
Now if you do have access to the teacher tenure law, I would like to read it or you can post where to find here so everyone in this discussion can have a basis for their comments.
As far as your wedsite I went to it I dont see how it pertains to tenure. I see Finland focusing on gifted and talented and yes scores will be high then..... I see them having only one common language witl little immigration.... and I see the teachers are held in high esteem.... where does the tenure law come into play with the link ?
I think you overlooked my comment that dismmissals can be appealed under law.
Christine Stewart Mehigh
11:22 am on Monday, April 9, 2012
Terri, my point is that attacking teacher tenure does nothing toward increasing student achievement, and no credible study shows that it does. Rather, a better method of hiring and developing new teachers is clearly needed. In the Finnish system, top college and graduate students are recruited to teach who are experts in their fields of study instead of holding our worthless American "education" degree. Perhaps if we paid teachers much more and held them in high esteem, like in Finland, we would be attracting the best and the brightest to the profession instead of losing them to the other more well-paying professions in our country. The Finnish system does not just focus on the gifted and talented, you must not have read the part of the article concerning the additional teacher required per classroom to help those that are not at the top end of the scale. "A tactic used in virtually every lesson is the provision of an additional teacher who helps those who struggle in a particular subject. But the pupils are all kept in the same classroom, regardless of their ability in that particular subject." It is striking though, that as the article states: "In 2006, Finland's pupils scored the highest average results in science and reading in the whole of the developed world." Since the problem that we are trying to address is student achievement, it seems pointless to ignore what works, and instead attack tenure as if this is the answer to the problem.
12:13 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012
You are assuming that the Finnish system is transferable to the U.S., which may be an incorrect assumption. I seriously doubt the Finnish system would work in an inner city school in the U.S., or in Appalachia for that matter. Why? One word - culture. Finns value education, hence they have success. If you don't value it, no system in the world will educate you. Like the old saying say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
It's not popular to say it, but teachers have far less of an effect on student performance than popular mythology would have you believe. The best teacher in the world will have little success in a classroom with unmotivated students, unsupportive administration, and indifferent parents. A bad teacher won't help, but won't produce all that much worse a result. And quite frankly, you don't need a Ph.D. in mathematics to teach Algebra I.
There is no magic bullet out there waiting to be discovered regarding education. We know how to teach, we just don't want to face the hard reality that academic success takes hard work, discipline, self-control, and sacrifice, pretty much like anything in life. No teacher in the world can instill that by themselves, but a system/society that demanded that would go a long way to restoring academic excellence. Good luck doing that, because no one wants to hear that they may the cause of their own failure.
We have met the enemy, and they are us.
11:01 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012
It is not the tax payers fault that you chose a career that involved being underpaid, unappreciated and full of all the frustrations. If you weren't smart enough to research the career you chose then should you really be teaching kids anything? You, as well as everyone else gets what you deserve every payday. If you don't like the pay, benefits and the lucrative pension (75% of your last three years) the quit and find something more satisfying and rewarding. But please research the job so the taxpayers don't have to hear your bellyaching.
11:19 pm on Sunday, April 22, 2012
Doctors are professionals that receive a lot more taxpayer money than teachers - and you aren't questioning their motives and whether they are in it for the money, and whether they should really be caring for patients.
If teachers have it so good, Dan, with their lucrative compensation and whatnot, then why don't you study to become one, and you quit your whining.
teri Detter
9:43 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
doctors get taxpayers' money? I didnt know that. what are you referring to striek? I am sure Dan wants to be a teacher .He researched his job career and is comprtive enough to perform in a reasonable way as not to worry about a yearly contract with his employer.
10:13 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
Medicare or medicaid? Sure, not all doctors take it. But one way or another, Taxpayers do pay for doctors -whether it gets called a tax, a premium, co-pay, and/or via higher overall medical costs.
I do not have anything against doctors and their pay levels. Just calling out Dan's concept that teachers can't possibly care about their students while collectively bargaining for their compensation.
teri Detter
9:46 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
in regards to Ladue schools being union, my understanidng the district's salary schedule is based on merit pay . teacher organizations such as MNEA and MSTA do have collective bargaining and discuss with the school board throughout the year issues that arise . MNEA does represent teachers that individual issues with a teaching situation
Earl Higgins
11:10 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
So... in other words... union? Aren't both of those organizations Teacher's Unions? Or am I missing something?
teri Detter
9:57 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
PS I am not aware of any school district that is union except for St. Louis City Public Schools.
teri Detter
10:09 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
Go to the senate Mo gov. and check out all Senators and their newsletter to their constituents. You can be skepitcal as much as you want but read some what is being said around you. And yes parents will not openly criticize a teacher's position , especially if it entails a threat to the teacher's job.
Why would you think I am making this this up? This pubication I am referring to is a fact from a State Senator. It is not my opinion I threw this in the discussio so you can see what is being sent to Sneators ( well at least mine) in regards to what parents are saying to the Senator because you said parents like tenure , That's all just read some other views before you argue . I have red your opinions and I have not seen any facts backing it up except for that fact that is the way you think.
10:30 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
I put more credence in my personal experience with schools and teachers. I can walk into my child's school and talk to the teacher or principal and that is more real and effective than something conjured up for a state senator's website.
teri Detter
10:23 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
well then you dont really know too much except by your small personal experience in your schools. MO. is a big state with alot of school districts. Personal experience is very limited in a discussion about a law to reform teacher tenure. Calling Senators in the state of MO liars makes your credibility tenuous striek I fiind it disrespectful to accuse senators of conjuring up false statements. Your opinions have been all but idle arguments now .
10:47 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
Teri, if you are reading my prior comments, you would notice my mention that not all parents may have experiences with public schools as positive as mine.
I'm not calling anyone a liar. (Though do I really need to point out that politicians have been known to lie?). I give more credence to personal experience, what more can I say. I feel I can be a better advocate for my child's education by dealing with the real people involved rather than a Senator in Jeff City with a political axe to grind.
I realize I live in a larger world than my own, but really am not compelled today to regurgitate what some think tank website says.
Have a lovely day.
11:31 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
Terri Detter... Why are you afraid to talk to a teacher with tenure? This doesn't give us super powers.
teri Detter
11:39 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
you have taken that comment out of context Getaclu
teri Detter
11:44 am on Monday, April 23, 2012
Earl, teacher organizations as MNEA and MSTA are not unions. The members are teachers who are assigned the task to meet with BOE during salary and benefit discussions. It is a weak collective bargaining discussion if you will. The organization does not have the authority to call a strike and the discussions are just that discussion with the BOE having the final decisions. In the schools in MO a no strike policy is in place, something that originated with govt employees not being allowed to strike/work stoppage. I think anyway
Michael Rhodes
1:38 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012
MSTA has the following on their website:
Q: Will MSTA become a union?
A: Truthfully, we've always done what a union does. We're involved in the political process and the negotiations process. We fight legislatively for funding and defend teachers when employment-related problems arise or when legal assistance is needed. We will continue to do all those things.
So, they are not a union, but act as one. If that helps.
MNEA states they are a union:
7. Is MNEA a union or a professional association?
We are both. A union advocates for its members. The American Bar Association and the American Medical Association both qualify as unions. And like the MNEA and NEA, they are also professional associations. Education employees are in an unusual category because what affects employees also affects children. A teacher's working conditions are a child's learning conditions.
teri Detter
12:14 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012
I mentioned to Striek that Brian Nieves has a constituents newsletter and has expressed that parents are in favor of a reformed tenure law. Striek didnt buy that because of her experience paraents were all supported of the teachers. I then explain there are parents who are reluctant to say any negatives toward teacher job security in an overt way but would and do voice that opinion elsewhere and not directly to the teacher in their school distract. aka Brian Nieves website where parents in his district have favored reformed . does that clarify ?
12:39 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012
You've more than clarified your bias against teachers in the real world and in favor of state senators with political agendas.
12:48 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012
Wow. Brian Nieves - never heard of this guy until today. Good grief - why am I even debating this topic when you reference such an extremist clown.
Earl Higgins
1:53 pm on Monday, April 23, 2012
Holy smokes Striek, good work there! I had always wondered in the back of my mind if this whole thing were a conjured-up wedge non-issue fabricated by the Tea Party. If that article on Brian Nieves' actions isn't the smoking gun, I don't know what is. Thanks, Nieves and Cunningham for wasting everyone's time on this non-problem.


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Some of the hyperbole is understandable. It's hard to make sense of a market that places Amazon's (AMZN) share price above $200 while at the same time driving Apple's shares under $600.
For a few days, Apple's stock was on a big enough sale that the dividend rose to 2%. Never mind the fact that Apple produces products in demand enough to warrant incredibly high margins, once the snowball began rolling down the hill it gained in size and speed.
Amazon has so far offered little more than improving revenue. Revenue, it appears is enough if people like the company. Should revenue be enough? Of course not, but the line of thinking goes something like this: As soon as Amazon is finished building out the world's greatest online ordering system (something that has been in the works since before the dot com bubble), Amazon will be able to raise prices and or lower the capital investment, and profits will roll in. Meanwhile, back at 1 Infinite Loop (Apple's address), iPhone 5s and iPad minis are selling as fast as the iFactories can produce and ship to the iBuyers. Apple has many other products including the Mac, iTunes, iPod, and others that are selling like gangbusters, but once again, it doesn't seem to make much difference to those who are quick to "inform" you of Apple's impending irrelevance. For doomsayers it all makes perfect sense. Perfect sense if you consider operating margins above 30% and profit margins above 25% mean the end is near. You don't see margins like that in Dell (DELL), Nokia (NOK), and definitely, not in Amazon.Select the service that is right for you!
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Katherine McBride | |
キャサリン・マクブライド (Kyasarin Makuburaido) | |
Sex | Female |
Age | 32 |
Hair | Bleached |
Eyes | Dark Brown |
Body | Slim, nicely endowed |
Blood Type | B |
Occupation | Office Manager at Bantam Suits |
ENG VA | Michelle Ruff |
JPN VA | 三石 琴乃 (Kotono Mitsuishi) |
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Official BioEdit
Vincent's girlfriend, who wants something more.
Katherine is Vincent's loyal and steadfast girlfriend who works for a clothing company. She and Vincent were classmates in high school, but they only started dating after they met again at their 10-year reunion. Katherine has been thinking more and more about their relationship, and wants him to fully commit to her, but his indecisiveness is starting to increasingly annoy her as time goes by.
Katherine McBride has a by-the-book Type A personality. She is dominant, responsible, goal-oriented, and puts her career above almost everything else. When Vincent admits to working severe overtime with no extra pay, she chides him for being taken advantage of and not taking a stand for himself. She proves that if someone can't be trusted to do something right, she will take care of it for them. The clearest example of this is when she takes full control of their finances after Vincent consistently spends all his money on new computers, cell phones, alcohol and cigarettes.
Katherine is always straight-forward, and doesn't appreciate between-the-lines insinuations or passive-aggressive accusations, both of which Vincent is guilty of. Even though her fidelity was called into question with Steve Delhomme, she has only made one lie (of omission) in the entire game: not telling Vincent immediately when she knew she wasn't pregnant.
While clues have been left that Katherine might have been lying about the pregnancy as a test for Vincent to pass, her reaction during the break up with him paints a clearer picture. She not only tells him that the knowledge of the pregnancy actually scared her, but admits to him she knew about the news earlier, but didn't tell him because she feared he would leave her.
The only things in the game shown to rattle her are when she murders Catherine (though it happens in a dream), and when she is effectively dealing with the possibility of being pregnant completely alone, as Vincent is off in his own world.
Katherine is not shown to be the affectionate type. The only time she kisses Vincent or tells him she loves him is during the Katherine True Ending. Most times she leaves him with a simple "Goodbye." Whether this is a result of their recent relationship troubles or because of her natural personality is not explained in the game.
Katherine attended elementary school with Vincent and Orlando. Their friendship was initially antagonistic, as the boys would often steal and eat her lunch. Though it upset her, she began giving Vincent her snacks, indicating that she had a crush on him.
They met again during their 10-year high school reunion. Afterwards when she was depressed, Vincent ran to her side in the middle of the night and comforted her. He found out that she was having dating problems and started to give her advice, but ended up falling for her himself. While seemingly romantic, Erica theorizes that Katherine only started dating him because her maternal instincts and dominant personality wouldn't allow her to leave a slacker like Vincent alone.
The two have been in a steady relationship for the past 5 years, though Vincent isn't interested in taking it to the next level, and Katherine's parents have started to pressure her to marry.
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Katherine's first scenes in the game are with Vincent, arguing over his lack of overtime pay and the possibility of marriage between them. Though he blows her off, she continues bringing it up in texts and conversations until she finally tell him that she thinks she's pregnant. Although initially upset by his sheer terror, he manages to calm her down.
In the following days, she visits him at home to bring him cake, and meets him at Chrono Rabbit, all the time narrowly missing Catherine. She finds out she actually is pregnant, which she tells Vincent, who reacts much the same as he did before. During one of their meetings, Vincent passive-aggressively accuses her of cheating on him with a man named Steve Delhomme, whom she never heard of before.
At this point, Katherine mentions the mysterious and intimidating anonymous texts she's been receiving. These turn out to be from Catherine, sent in an effort to drive a wedge further between her and Vincent.
Later on she manifests with Catherine in Vincent's dream on Day 8, which takes place in his apartment. The women argue over him which leads to a fight with both trying to kill each other, and Catherine ending up stabbed through the stomach with a knife. Vincent pulls Katherine away to escape only to find that the two have been pulled into the Nightmare World: 8-1, The Cathedral. They both climb the tower, with a transformed Catherine chasing after them.
At the top of the tower, Vincent confesses his love and commitment to Katherine when she cannot continue on because of his previous lies and affairs.
In reality on Day 8, Katherine has easily suspected Vincent's affair and comes to his apartment to break up with him, adding the pregnancy was just a mistake in the test. Despite his best efforts to stop her, she leaves him.
Katherine only shows up in her three endings: Katherine True Ending, Katherine Good Ending and Katherine Bad Ending.
During the Freedom endings, Jonny mentions asking Katherine out after their breakup. Though the fate of that is somewhat vague, his reaction implies she turned him down.
- Catherine is written as キャサリン (Kyasarin) in Japanese for both Catherine and Katherine. This leads to a lot more ambiguous references in the Japanese game, as you have to rely on context which C/Katherine is being talked about. In a few instances in the North American version, the vagueness of which one Vincent is talking about is so important the localization team altered the subtitles to read as "her" when he actually speaks her name, leaving the player intentionally confused.
- Katherine wears french beige lipstick, purple eyeshadow, and vivid blue nail polish.
- She plays a very large part of Vincent's fears, manifesting herself in the Nightmare stages as the "Fist of Grudge" and "Doom's Bride".
- She has an impressive sweet tooth. Every time (except Day 6) she is at Chrono Rabbit she is eating cake, usually strawberry, with her milky coffee.
- As mentioned in Vincent's trivia, Katherine represents the black haired and mature looking woman in which a man has to choose between her or a blonde and young looking woman in one of the Lovers Arcana tales. Katherine represents the romantic and intellectual attraction as shown how she is towards Vincent in the game.
Unused DialogueEdit
- Erica mentions Katherine likes kids, and so is probably happy about the pregnancy.
- Orlando also mentions that Katherine had a pet caterpillar when she was younger.
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New Jersey has now lost four games in a row, but it wasn't for a lack of effort against the Sabres. The Devils outshot the Sabres 31-23 and played well for much of the game.
"I think any time you have these three-point games, you get a point, you've got to find a way to take the positives," Devils winger Ryan Carter said. "We got some goals on the board. Maybe clean a few things up defensively, and you get two points. I think we're figuring it out again and things are going in the right direction."
The shootout came after the teams traded goals on three occasions in regulation.
The Sabres took their second lead of the game midway through the third period on Hecht's first goal of the season, but the Devils quickly responded with 8:44 remaining on Loktionov's third goal of the year to tie the game at 3-3. Loktionov beat Miller after some pretty passing in the Buffalo end from Henrique and Stefan Matteau.
Henrique scored on a shorthanded breakaway to give New Jersey a 2-1 lead 1:21 into the third, but Pominville answered for the Sabres just under two minutes later. Pominville, who was beaten by Henrique on the New Jersey goal, tied the game following a cross-ice pass from Cody Hodgson.
The Devils dominated the flow of play through the first two periods, outshooting the Sabres 26-14.
Pominville got the Sabres on the board first with a shorthanded goal 7:17 into the second period. Pominville scored from the right circle after some nice forechecking from Hodgson.
The Devils quickly struck back 9:24 into the second when Mark Fayne's shot from the point deflected off Bernier into the Buffalo net.
The Sabres hope they can take some momentum into a four-game road trip coming up. Buffalo has won three games in a row after losing its previous four, with two of those wins coming in shootouts.
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Mary Alice Steelman Tuttle, 77, passed away on Monday, October 1, 2007 at her residence. Mary was born April 13, 1930 in
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She is survived by her husband, Cecil D. Tuttle of Abilene; sister Opal Steelman Patterson of Dallas; three children, son, William Anderson and wife, Barbara of League City, TX, two daughters and sons in law, Gladys and Dan Jacobs of Frankford, KY, and Barbara and Tony Jones of Shepherd, TX; three grandchildren, Sonia Suarez and husband, Orlando of New Jersey, Rena Seay of Abilene, and Cecil Anderson and wife, Lupe' of League City, TX; two great grandsons Austin and Zachary Suarez of New Jersey; two great grand dogs, Nacey and Ronnie of Abilene, TX. Mary Alice was proceeded in death by her parents R.L. (Cotton) and Mable Steelman, her brother Frankie Steelman, and a son Bobby Anderson.
Pallbearers serving at the graveside service will be David Chapman, Paul Garret, Larry Hughs, John Gentry, James Paul Myers, Mark Welch, Randy Tuttle, and Eddie Tuttle; honorary pallbearers are Paul Bearer, Jim Newman, Archie Sparks, and Wayne Caviness.