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July 06, 2010, 03:20:18 PM »
I boldly pronounced a while back at Story Games my intention to Hack ApW to:
... a Cyber/noir/punk setting. Think Ghost in the Shell meets Bladerunner while doing lines of Richard Morgan spiced by some District 13 parkour (or maybe I should say some Dead Weight Parkour.)
Some other projects have gotten in the way, but now my sourcefile is growing exponentially, and it is time to make this official.
I am doing it.
It is official, and I am now committed.
And I am integrating this with my Moby Dick idea: Source Code (
the original idea so boldly stated at the Forge many, many years ago under a different title
). So this will eventually be a stand alone game. But I'll develop it like a hack, being the sneaky little idea thief I am.
I'll share more as I concretesize the ideas I have.
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July 06, 2010, 09:33:34 PM »
Here is my braindump on the stats. May or will change naturally.
Chipped skills just can't compete with the true edge, sie tagged and took out the security detail without breaking hir stride. Just like that.
When you live on the edge, the City needs to be cut. Hard. Your operator's Edge gives you how hard, violent, aggressive, strong-willed, mean, cold or simply tough sie is.
Zeiss optics, AR augmented hair implants, and a sleeve built for speed. Sie would kill any room she walk into.
Style over substance is the key. In a world where beauty is of the rack, it's how you wear it that counts. Your operator's Style tells you how hot, sexy, provocative, subtle, beautiful, inspiring, exciting or radiant sie is.
I don't care if sie bought the smile of the rack, sie wore it like a gun. And sie would cut you deeper than any monoedge ever would. Just for fun.
Attitude is everything. In the concrete jungle every predator may be prey. Your operator's Attitude tells you how unfazed, cool under fire, rational, calm, calculating, rational or ice cold sie is.
Sie'd take a cameradrone, pack it with semtex6 and orbit it around the block. Anyone triggering the perimeter would get a fast forwarded package of death up their rear. She'd then sell the footage.
The street finds its own uses for things someone said. Tech is omnipresent, your body simply another piece of kit. Your operator's Ware is tells you how quick, adaptable, innovative, strong, enduring or clever sie is at using this.
Sie would weave through the City like a hot virus through a firewall, untraceable and lovely. Bending the floating world to hir will. Making the alternate reality real.
Everything is interconnected. Our souls digitzed, reduced to ones and zeroes. Ghost opens you to the AR, the floating world. Your operator's Ghost savvy, skilled, trained, perceptive, innovative, clever or simply fluent sie is in the AR of the floating world.
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July 06, 2010, 09:47:48 PM »
The Floating World.
The omnipresent netsphere that lies there as alayer over the Interface. The Augmented Reality of the City. This will have two functions.
The first is a bit like the psychic maelstrom. With two actions controlled by Ghost, Ghost Trawl (ask the maelstrom) and Ghost Hack (manipulate the interface (the world) through the floating world). And everyone has constant access to the net through their
(think Ghost in the Shell combined with the Altered Carbon of Richard Morgan fame.).
So the Ghost Trawl move is
10+ - ask one question
7-9 - ask one question, but get fucked with
1-6 - get fucked
Getting fucked in the floating world will have its own MC moves (called Controller). These will be situation dependendt (like all Controller moves) but I am going to build oracle like lists for this.
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July 06, 2010, 10:58:25 PM »
oooh.. I really like where this is going :)
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July 07, 2010, 12:24:39 AM »
//initate another braindump
I love the way the playbooks take you by the front of your shirt and trust you through character generation. This isn't really obvious until you play the game. But it is there and it works like hell. So I got this idea.
It starts, for the moment, with the ideas for some templates. This will be important later. They are:
o Warewolves – augmented soldiers and veterans.
o Ghostwalkers – manipulators of the Floating World.
o Hard Cases – street operators and muscle.
o Runners/Transporters – movers of information and hardware.
o Negotiators – settles scores, one way or the other.
o Players – true manipulators of people and the hidden market.
Right now these are more placeholders for my concepts. I really want to take that shirtgrabby bit from the playbooks and add a bit of lifepath (think old CP 2013/2020) touch to it, with choices made opening some doors and closing others.
This will however take a hell of lot of work, so right now I think I need to focus on the player moves.
Or that old question What do the Characters do? bit.
//End braindump
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July 07, 2010, 12:41:21 AM »
I love those stats so much.
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July 07, 2010, 11:52:16 AM »
Interesting question - what to the players/characters do?
The characters are thieves - fancy cybered up and experienced, but at heart, thieves. I always compare shadowrun/Cyberpunh2020 with movies like Heat, Ronin, The Italian job, Ocean's 11: basically hiest movies.
As a player, I always found the game divided into a couple of parts
- gathering infomation: talking to the juy giving the job, gathering intel through channels, etc.
- Making a plan: almost part of the above section - working out how the skills of the people you have can be used to break the known defenses of the target, as well as planning for when the shit hits the fan.
- doing it: Putting the plan into play :) This is when things go wrong and you have to adjust on the fly :)
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July 07, 2010, 09:44:39 PM »
I am not so sure about that thieves thing. If that isn't more of a hangover from Cyberpunk and Shadowrun. I am looking more to refocus the threats and impulses. Defining the conflict areas (scarcity).
The better experinces I had with said games came from the times we managed to break out of that mold and into a mode of play more similar to the kicker based play of Sorcerer.
And I am looking for the mode of play from the original ApW.
I am wringing my sleep deprived brain around this subject.
I have so far compiled a list (will share at a later stage) of elements that I want to focus on/include periphally (is that a word?). Building a stage (threats) around and from this will further define the universe.
From this I figure I'll end up with a more concise idea of what the operators do. And heck, the thieves bit might just be a part of that. Then there is the whole "people in motion" bit as found in
Remember Tomorrow
. Oh, and re-examine Tears in the Rain.
Damn it. Now I need to get that game. Poor little me, I have to read another good game and be inspered by it. Sigh, I hate game design.
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July 15, 2010, 09:50:54 PM »
Yay, I think I finally cracked it.
More later, work now.
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July 16, 2010, 01:51:43 AM »
This is what I am thinking threatwise:
the shadowy manipulaters and zaibatsu lords of the feudal Brave New Order.
corporate wetsquads, le flick, hitmen. You know, what the Haves can throw at you.
Area denial, alarmsystems, surveillance. Problems assosiated with real estate in the postmodern world.
The City
The concret jungle and how it may fuck you.
The Floating World
The Augmented Reality has its own kind of mayhem just waiting for the careless Operative.
Will expand upon this. Soon.
My netaccess is limited for the moment.
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Reply #10 on:
July 17, 2010, 12:00:06 AM »
Woo! Glad to see this progressing.
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August 17, 2010, 09:13:33 AM »
/// Begin Braindump...
I want a noirsh sense of desperation. So who the fuck are the characters? And how the hell do I build this desperation into them.
Well, here is the why we play:
Shit, the characters are fucking hot.
Though all independent operators they are even sexier together. Rivals, friends, lovers, allies.
The sea of humanity, the tide of augmented reality, where nothing is static, it is a feudal world thinly disguised as a democracy. But come on, it never was truly democratic, and now it certainly isn't anymore. The Universal Wage for Votes changed all that. It is a perpetual machine to keep the haves in power. As an outsider, a have not by choice, it is your independence against slavery. Can you hold on to it? Are you cool enough, do you have the edge and the attitude to keep free?
Sure you are all SINless. But there is a lot of pressure on you. To keep free you got to keep ahead of the SOTA, keep the edge sharp, keep your past at bay and your future viable. You go obsolete and the tide of slavery will catch you. So you sell your special skills to keep ahead. But the haves want more, and they will use you, push your loyalties and your convictions. Who will prevail, who will sell out? When ultimately everything has a price, can you afford the luxury of trust?
The Operators are...
... not a crew or a team. More a loose collection of allies. These are the people they go to for help.
... also the go to people when people want something done under the radar.
... without a commitment to any community like in ApW. There really isn't anything tying them to the City, its wellbeing or the mind numbing crowds of drones.
... living in the space between. Your community is those few around you. The army of one. Where nothing is static, everything is changing, they need to evolve. Adapt or die.
Which means that the Fronts and the Threats have to stem from the Operators themselves. Well the end of summer sees me spending more time nailing this down.
///End Braindump.
kaare berg
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August 17, 2010, 09:34:19 AM »
The characters are built by Lifepath system.
The how is still under developing, but the quote that nailed this for me is from William Gibson:
Quote from: New Rose Hotel
"My own past had gone down years before, lost with all hands, no trace. I understood Fox's late-night habit of emptying his wallet and shuffling through his identification. He'd lay the pieces out in different patterns, rearrange them, wait for a picture to form. I knew what he was looking for. You did the same with your childhoods."
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August 17, 2010, 08:23:38 PM »
Regarding PC connection to the city, it often seems in noir-ish stories that there's a sort of back-and-forth parasitic relationship going on. Like, if a PC manages to get away from the city, for good, it has the feel of an escape. So I think there are ties there, they're just not particularly healthy ones. Once a PC reaches, or is pushed to, some critical point they can reach escape velocity and get out. Or die trying.
Anyway, a lot of those dynamics show up in various ways. Like, "I gotta make one more big score and I'm outta here", or "I'm in too deep and so-and-so will never let me leave", and maybe "I screwed up before, and staying here is the cross I'm going to make myself carry (at least until I redeem myself)". Not that the protagonists necessarily want to get out of the city, but it seems like there is always this sort of co-dependence going on.
Don't know if you care to account for that sort of thing, or plan on it happening organically during play, but I thought it worth mentioning.
edited to add: Maybe getting out of the City can be one of those Ungiven Future advances, equivalent to retirement.
Last Edit: August 17, 2010, 08:27:30 PM by C. Edwards
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August 17, 2010, 08:27:17 PM »
You're right. There is a connection there, and it will be important. But the ApW are intriscally connected to their community and my take, note, my take, is that a lot of the Fronts are threats to the community as an extension of the characters.
I don't see threats to the city as a valid driving force for the characters. This may change... :)
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Vacuum devices are tools that help men develop an erection suitable for intercourse. The device works by drawing blood into the penis and keeping it there. To use it, a man inserts his penis into a hollow, plastic tube that is then pressed against the body, creating a seal. A small hand pump creates the vacuum, which draws blood into the penis, causing it to become hard. After a few minutes of pumping, the man places a small, rubber ring around the base of the penis so that the erection can be maintained.
Side effects of vacuum devices include coldness or numbness in the penis after the rubber ring has been removed. Also, the vacuum device may interfere with foreplay.
Penile injections are self-injections. A man or his partner uses a tiny needle to inject medicine directly into the side of the penis. The injections begin to work within 5 to 15 minutes and create an erection. A doctor can teach a man how to inject himself.
Side effects include dizziness or feeling flushed. Prolonged or lengthy erections may also be a problem. Men should seek medical attention if they have an erection lasting longer than four hours.
Penile implants are a type of prosthesis. A surgeon places a device inside the penis. Penile implants are tubes that can mimic the erection process. There are three types of implants. They are the semi-rigid, the inflatable, and the self-contained inflatable.
Implants are the most invasive procedure because they require surgery. As with any surgery, there's a risk for infection. In rare cases, after getting an implant, men experience numbness at the head of the penis or find intercourse uncomfortable. If the implants are removed, men are at an increased risk for erectile dysfunction because the implant permanently changes the internal structure of the penis.


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I wanted to start divng early this year with my new wetsuit. North Shore New England is still in the high 30s to low 40s in April. My 5mm gloves didn't cut it. I tried these in a local pond in high 30 degree waters before a planned scallop dive. Very warm, no problems with hands getting cold and worked great on the scallop dive. You have plenty of dexterity to control your gear and releases.
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Foreign Secretary's Special Representative for Climate Change
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As a senior government official you will speak on behalf of the Foreign Secretary at home, but particularly abroad, focussing on building political and economic support for action based on a shared understanding of the threat climate change
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Operations Director - Elderly Care
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An exceptional opportunity to work for a international global healthcare brand as part of their senior management team heading up their care homes business.
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Information & Knowledge Manager
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Our client wish to recruit an Information and Knowledge Manager to further develop their information resources.
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You will provide leadership for quality improvement activities across our Health Care division.
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Director of External Affairs
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The organisation are now seeking an experienced Director of External Affairs to lead a team comprised of policy & campaigns, information management, communications and digital to deliver on policy
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The Food for Life Catering Mark recognises best practice amongst caterers and the food service industry. Over 750,000 Catering Mark accredited meals are now served each day.
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The CSP now seeks a strategic leader to join their executive team as Director of Marketing and Communications.
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Quality Manager - Higher Education Programmes (initially 0.4)
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Head of Solutions Development
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Sponsored by MEFA, the College Savings Art Competition is now accepting submissions of artwork depicting "What do I want to be when I graduate from college?" The contest, previously open only to students in grades 3, 4 and 5, now includes grades K, 1 and 2. Students must live in Massachusetts and may attend any public, private, charter or home-based school.
In the past eight years, MEFA's College Savings Art Competition has received more than 17,000 entries and awarded $192,000 in U.Fund College Investing Plan accounts as prizes. Nine finalists will be selected from this year's entrants to receive three first-place prizes of $5,000 in a U.Fund College Investing Plan account; three second-place prizes of $2,000 in a U.Fund account; and three third-place prizes of $1,000 in a U.Fund account.
The U.Fund is the Massachusetts 529 college investing plan that lets families save for higher education expenses at colleges and universities across the country, with significant tax advantages and flexible savings options managed by Fidelity Investments.
Information about the competition has been distributed to superintendents and principals across the Commonwealth, and MEFA has asked school districts to send competition information home to parents in student backpacks or via virtual backpacks.
The deadline for submitting artwork to MEFA is Oct. 31 at 5 p.m. Winners will be announced on or about March 31, 2013 and will be honored at special ceremony at the State House in the summer. For more information about the College Savings Art Competition, or to receive a copy of competition rules and entry forms, visit www.mefa.org/contest or call 1-800-449-MEFA
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Jasmine Hotel
We are an inexpensive property located in the heart of downtown Cairo, Egypt. We offer free breakfast, and free wireless internet.Our beautiful and clean property is perfect for all types of travelers including, backpackers, families, and students. We invite you to stay with us and consider us your home away from home in Cairo. Our goal is to make your stay as enjoyable as possible.The Jasmine offers you clean, comfortable and safe accommodations, hot water, clean bed linens, and fresh towels. All of our rooms are spacious with high ceilings and come equipped with air conditioning and heating units. Our guest kitchen is perfect for when you want a relaxing home cooked meal. We also have a common area where you can chat with other guests and our friendly staff and relax after an exciting day in Cairo. Our English speaking staff are ready to help you at any hour with any questions or concerns you may have. They have years of experience and are available to answer any questions you have about traveling around Egypt.Our property is located off of a main street so you will be able to enjoy the delights of downtown but still have quiet nights away from the noise of the city. Several Egyptian and International restaurants are located nearby. There are also tea/coffee and shisha cafes located just around the corner. We are delighted to offer you free airport pick up when you stay with us for 3 nights.
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26 Sherif st, downtown.Cairo, Egypt.
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Kent State University's Department of Pan-African Studies will host College of Wooster History Professor Ibra Sene at a March 13 reception and lecture in the second floor lecture hall at Ritchie Hall.
Sene's lecture will focus on youth, religion and cultural identity in the era of globalization. The talk will focus on Hizbut Tarqiyya, a West African social youth movement of Islamic intellectuals.
The reception will be held from 5:30 to 6:30 p.m., and Sene will lecture at 7 p.m.
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Building a Juggernaut: Part II - How Michigan compares
Sitting at my desk and waiting for the next "Hello" post to arrive, I have been studying the recruiting success we've had since Hoke & Co's arrival and trying to figure out how excited I should be about 2013 and beyond. The goal, obviously, is to build a program that is competing for B1G and National Championships every year. But how good does our recruiting have to be in order to accomplish that?
In Part I, I took a look at how the dark lord himself managed to put together one of the most dominant runs in college football history. Nick Saban's Alabama teams are loaded with blue chip recruits, but he also oversigns every year. To him, a scholarship is really just an offer to try out for the Crimson Tide, and kids that aren't cutting it are sent packing for whatever reason Saban can use to justify booting them (his favorite is "violating team rules"). I hope Michigan never uses the oversigning methods of the SEC, but we will have to find players that make a similar impact if we're going to compete with those programs.
So what does it mean to have a roster that can compete with Alabama? CHART!
These charts represent Saban's '07-'09 classes, with the bars representing the IMPACT rating. Like Hoke, Saban's first class was composed almost entirely of his predecessor's recruits. And, like Hoke, Saban's next two classes were relatively large and represented a significant improvement over his first class.
For the time period, the average Saban recruit was a 5.78 Rivals Rating. This is roughly equivalent to a low four-star recruit. And as the chart shows, the rankings do matter. Referring back to Part I, this chart compares the impact of recruits with their Rivals Rating. Briefly, a high impact is better; a "1" is a player that did not contribute during his career at 'Bama, a "2" is a minor contirbutor or role player, and a "3" is a solid starter or better. Perhaps the most important thing about the rankings is that there is a clear trend that the higher you are ranked, the less likely it is that you will end-up a non-factor (IMPACT of 1). On a percentage basis, the 5.8 players actually out-performed the 5.9 and 6.0 players, but the general trend is that the more highly-rated players are more likely to contribute.
It helps Saban that the sample size of 5.6 or lower recruits is very small. His roster is composed, almost exclusively, of very highly-rated three-star or better recruits (5.7 or better). His reputation for finding diamonds in the rough—as far as I can tell—is complete myth. His highly-rated prospects produce; his lower-rated prospects (the few that even stay in Tuscaloosa) generally do not contribute.
So how does this compare to Michigan? Chart? Chart!
Name | Pos | Ht | Wt | 40 | Stars | Rivals Rtg | IMPACT |
Blake Countess | DB | 5'10" | 171 | 4.5 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 3 |
Raymon Taylor | ATH | 5'10" | 167 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 3 | |
Desmond Morgan | LB | 6'1" | 225 | 4.7 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 3 |
Brennen Beyer | DE | 6'4" | 222 | 4.5 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 2 |
Frank Clark | LB | 6'2" | 210 | 4.5 | 3 stars | 5.6 | 2 |
Thomas Rawls | RB | 5'10" | 214 | 3 stars | 5.6 | 2 | |
Matt Wile | K | 6'2" | 210 | 2 stars | 5.3 | 2 | |
Justice Hayes | RB | 5'10" | 175 | 4.4 | 4 stars | 5.9 | 1 |
Chris Barnett | TE | 6'6" | 245 | 4.5 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 1 |
Chris Bryant | OL | 6'5" | 330 | 4 stars | 5.6 | 1 | |
Kellen Jones | LB | 6'1" | 209 | 4.6 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 |
Delonte Hollowell | DB | 5'8" | 162 | 4.7 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 |
Antonio Poole | LB | 6'2" | 210 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 | |
Chris Rock | DE | 6'5" | 250 | 3 stars | 5.6 | 1 | |
Greg Brown | DB | 5'10" | 180 | 4.4 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 1 |
Tamani Carter | DB | 6'0" | 175 | 4.5 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 1 |
Tony Posada | OL | 6'6" | 315 | 5.4 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 1 |
Russell Bellomy | QB | 6'3" | 178 | 4.6 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 1 |
Keith Heitzman | DE | 6'3" | 237 | 4.9 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 1 |
Jack Miller | DE | 6'4" | 268 | 4.8 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 1 |
avg | 5.62 |
Michigan's 2011 class numbered 20 recruits. I would expect that classes will average 20-24 recruits under Hoke (mean of 22). This accounts for attrition, and basically divides the team into five classes: RS Freshmen, Freshmen, Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors. Saban, working with the same number of scholarships, averaged 27.7 recruits in his first three classes, and has averaged exactly 25 commitments per class since then. That means he's getting three extra chances at a good player every year. This is a big difference, but not insurmountable.
The 2011 Michigan class was damaged by transfers, but nothing like Saban's 2007 group. Ten (!) players from Saban's first class did not finish their careers at 'Bama. Hoke, so far, has lost six of his first class to transfers, and it appears unlikely he'll lose any more: of the remaining 14 players, 11 have played and two are front-runners for starting positions on the 2013 O-line (Jack Miller and Chris Bryant). That leaves only Antonio Poole, who was a 5.7 (highest 3-star) on Rivals and a 4-star on Scout. With Michigan loaded at LB, Poole may end-up transferring due to a lack of playing time—there's about a 50-50 chance of him contributing in some way during his career.
The 2011 Michigan class' average Rivals Rating was 5.62. Take out the kicker (Wile) and the average jumps to 5.64 ('Bama did not recruit a kicker in '07). This is a clear disadvantage compared to 'Bama's 5.70 average.
But the real bottom line is production. Saban turned 9 members of that class into contributing players, and four of those were all-stars. Will Michigan find similar success? I actually think we'll do better on average, if not at the top. Here are the guys and their projected IMPACT at the end of their careers:
- Blake Countess - 3
- Ramon Taylor - 3
- Desmond Morgan - 3
- Keith Heitzman - 3
- Brennen Beyer - 2
- Frank Clark - 2
- Thomas Rawls - 2
- Justice Hayes - 2
- Chris Bryant - 2
- Jack Miller - 2
- Delonte Hollowell - 1
- Antonio Poole - 1
- Russell Bellomy - 1
- Matt Wile - 3
That's 10 productive players (11 counting the kicker), four of whom I believe have a good chance of being drafted. I also believe my grading has been pretty harsh—several of those 2's could be 3's, and only one of the 3's (Heitzman) is a guy who hasn't fully proven himself. Bryant, Miller, and Beyer seem the most likely to become 3's, but Rawls, Hayes, and Clark all have game experience and are certainly not out of the running. That said, RB's usually show something early in their career if they will have an impact later in their career. 2013 is likely their last chance.
The final verdict is that this class appears poised to produce a lighter top than 'Bama's 2007 group, but a thicker middle. The group will probably be more productive on paper, but lacks the All-American types. On to class #2...
Name | Pos | Ht | Wt | 40 | Stars | Rivals Rtg | IMPACT |
Joe Bolden | LB | 6'2" | 225 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 2 | |
James Ross | LB | 6'0" | 209 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 2 | |
Dennis Norfleet | RB | 5'7" | 170 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 2 | |
Mario Ojemudia | DE | 6'3" | 215 | 4.7 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 2 |
Devin Funchess | TE | 6'5" | 205 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 2 | |
Ondre Pipkins | DT | 6'3" | 325 | 5.2 | 5 stars | 6.1 | 1 |
Kyle Kalis | OL | 6'5" | 302 | 5 stars | 6.1 | 1 | |
Erik Magnuson | OL | 6'6" | 275 | 4 stars | 5.9 | 1 | |
Jarrod Wilson | DB | 6'2" | 190 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 1 | |
Terry Richardson | DB | 5'9" | 160 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 1 | |
Tom Strobel | DE | 6'6" | 245 | 4.8 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 1 |
Royce Jenkins-Stone | LB | 6'2" | 215 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 1 | |
Blake Bars | OL | 6'5" | 275 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 1 | |
Amara Darboh | WR | 6'2" | 190 | 4.4 | 4 stars | 5.8 | 1 |
Jeremy Clark | DB | 6'4" | 205 | 4.5 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 |
Christopher Wormley | DE | 6'6" | 270 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 | |
Matthew Godin | DT | 6'6" | 270 | 5 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 |
Kaleb Ringer | LB | 6'0" | 219 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 | |
Ben Braden | OL | 6'6" | 285 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 | |
A.J. Williams | TE | 6'6" | 260 | 4.9 | 3 stars | 5.7 | 1 |
Allen Gant | DB | 6'2" | 210 | 3 stars | 5.6 | 1 | |
Willie Henry | DT | 6'2" | 270 | 3 stars | 5.6 | 1 | |
Drake Johnson | RB | 6'1" | 200 | 3 stars | 5.6 | 1 | |
Jehu Chesson | WR | 6'3" | 182 | 4.5 | 3 stars | 5.6 | 1 |
Sione Houma | RB | 6'0" | 211 | 4.5 | 3 stars | 5.5 | 1 |
avg | 5.75 |
Saban's second class was epic in terms of quality and quantity—like the extended version of Return of the King—loading-up 32 recruits with an average Rivals Rating of 5.81. Hoke's second class follows the trend of his first, with 25 commitments averaging 5.75—the same difference in average rating as their first classes. 15 'Bama players from the 2008 class were contributors, and ten earned an IMPACT value of 3. All ten of those guys are in the NFL or headed there. Seven more players from Saban's group busted at 'Bama, and the rest were sent out to pasture. Will Hoke's first full class produce ten NFL-bound starters and five role players? This group requires a bit more explaining:
- Joe Bolden - 3 – Already demonstrated ability to play at high level
- Dennis Norfleet - 3 – Value in return game will skyrocket, but will he play much otherwise?
- James Ross - 3 – Either Ross or Bolden will probably be a 3-year starter...maybe both
- Devin Funchess - 3 – Best receiving TE talent at UM in recent memory
- Mario Ojemudia - 3 – Showed flashes in 2012, IMO will pass Beyer and Clark on depth chart
- Ondre Pipkins - 3 – Highly-touted recruit has controlled his weight and should start in 2013
- Kyle Kalis - 3 – Beast projected to be a four-year starter
- Erik Magnuson - 3 – Giving the highest-rated lineman the best chance to end-up a multi-year starter
- Amara Darboh - 3 – Burned redshirt because of physical talent; either he or Chesson will likely start multiple seasons
- Jarrod Wilson - 3 – Starting in 2013? Maybe, but almost certainly starting in 2014 and beyond
- Blake Bars - 2 – One more lineman from this class will have to contribute
- Royce Jenkins-Stone - 2 – RJS is a solid four-star whose biggest challenge is the loaded LB depth chart
- Terry Richardson - 2 – 50/50 on whether or not this 5.8 recruit pans out
- Tom Strobel - 2 – The 2012 class will need at least one more contributor on the D-line; Strobel and Wormley seem like the best candidantes
- AJ Williams - 2 – Will probably spend career as a blocker
- Ben Braden - 2 – Which BB will contribute? Ben Braden or Blake Bars?
- Sione Houma - 2 – Likely a blocking FB who now must compete with Shallman.
- Christopher Wormley - 2 – Massive recruit who may have helped this year if not for injury
- Jehu Chesson - 2 – System change gives Chesson and Darboh the opportunity to play early
- Jeremy Clark - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
- Matthew Godin - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
- Allen Gant - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
- Willie Henry - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
- Drake Johnson - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
- Kaleb Ringer - 1 – Not all recruits will pan out; lowest-rated guys being given 1's
That's ten 3's—the same number as 'Bama—and I believe all could be successful playing on Sundays. As for the 2's, AJ Williams and Terry Richardson seem like locks to be multi-year contributors if not starters, and the rest will probably end-up splitting 50/50. That means four or five will wind-up helping the team and the rest—along with the 1's—will probably not offer much.
It's VERY important to me that no one takes this the wrong way. I am not, in any way, predicting that specific kids will end-up as busts. I use the names only because it makes the numbers real, but the truth is that my predictions are based on limited evidence and my statistical analysis. I sincerely apologize to any player or person who is offended by these projections; again, it is not personal, just my best attempt to predict recruiting success at Michigan.
The bottom line for this class is, IMO, very good. I believe that, compared to 'Bama's '08 class, we'll get similar numbers in terms of quality contributors and role players, despite having seven fewer recruits. But will this group have star power to compare with the likes of Julio Jones, Mark Barron, and Mark Ingram? I don't see a Heisman winner on this list, but Ross, Bolden, Funchess, Kalis, and Pipkins all have a very good chance at being All-B1G and first-half NFL draft choices, IMO. Time will tell if they compare to 'Bama, but the numbers are kind. The average Rivals Rating of 'Bama's ten players who earned a 3 is 5.82; Michigan's average of the players I have projected to be 3's is 5.85. Hoke's first haul lacks stars at the skill positions like Julio Jones and Mark Ingram, but it may be just as productive and yield early draft choices on the lines and at LB.
Name | Pos | Ht | Wt | 40 | Stars | Rivals Rtg |
Derrick Green | RB | 6'0" | 220 | 4.4 | 5 stars | 6.1 |
Henry Poggi | DT | 6'4" | 260 | 4 stars | 6 | |
Patrick Kugler | OL | 6'5" | 280 | 5.1 | 4 stars | 6 |
Shane Morris | QB | 6'3" | 183 | 4.6 | 4 stars | 6 |
Jourdan Lewis | DB | 5'10" | 159 | 4.7 | 4 stars | 5.9 |
Dymonte Thomas | DB | 6'2" | 192 | 4.5 | 4 stars | 5.9 |
Mike McCray | LB | 6'4" | 230 | 4.6 | 4 stars | 5.9 |
Kyle Bosch | OL | 6'5" | 311 | 5.5 | 4 stars | 5.9 |
Chris Fox | OL | 6'6" | 297 | 4 stars | 5.9 | |
Jake Butt | TE | 6'6" | 235 | 4 stars | 5.9 | |
Ross Douglas | DB | 5'10" | 180 | 4.4 | 4 stars | 5.8 |
Delano Hill | DB | 6'0" | 198 | 4.4 | 4 stars | 5.8 |
Taco Charlton | DE | 6'6" | 249 | 4.9 | 4 stars | 5.8 |
Ben Gedeon | LB | 6'3" | 215 | 4 stars | 5.8 | |
David Dawson | OL | 6'4" | 282 | 5.5 | 4 stars | 5.8 |
Logan Tuley-Tillman | OL | 6'7" | 307 | 4 stars | 5.8 | |
Wyatt Shallman | RB | 6'3" | 245 | 4.7 | 4 stars | 5.8 |
Channing Stribling | DB | 6'2" | 170 | 4.5 | 3 stars | 5.7 |
Maurice Hurst Jr. | DT | 6'2" | 305 | 3 stars | 5.7 | |
Deveon Smith | RB | 5'11" | 218 | 3 stars | 5.7 | |
Jaron Dukes | WR | 6'4" | 197 | 4.6 | 3 stars | 5.7 |
Csont'e York | WR | 6'3" | 185 | 3 stars | 5.7 | |
Reon Dawson | DB | 6'2" | 175 | 4.4 | 3 stars | 5.6 |
Dan Samuelson | OL | 6'5" | 275 | 5.3 | 3 stars | 5.6 |
Khalid Hill | TE | 6'2" | 230 | 3 stars | 5.6 | |
Da'Mario Jones | WR | 6'2" | 185 | 4.4 | 3 stars | 5.6 |
Scott Sypniewski | OL | 6'1" | 230 | 2 stars | 5.2 | |
avg | 5.79 |
The 2013 class is, by far, the most difficult to project. Obvious is obvious—these guys have not yet seen the field as college players and all of my predictions will be based on pure speculation. But how does Hoke's third effort compare to Saban's 2009 class?
To review, Saban's '09 class was another big one—27 recruits following the 33 from '08—and was chock full of talent, producing an average Rivals Rating of 5.83 with four 5-star (6.1) players. The class delivered in a big way, with all of those 5-star players earning 3's, and three of them becoming absolute studs. Six more players from Saban's third class earned 3's (for a total of ten) and the class had all-stars Trent Richardson, Eddie Lacy, AJ McCarron, DJ Fluker, Dre Kirkpatrick, and Chance Warmack. Three more players earned 2's, giving the class 13 total contributors. Those 13 players had an average Rivals Rating of 5.9—a top 150 recruit.
Michigan's 2013 class also had 27 recruits. The average Rivals Rating for Team 134 commitments is 5.79—just .04 below 'Bama's third class. Take out of long-snapper ('Bama had no specialists in its '09 class) and the average jumps to 5.81—a ridiculously good average that is basically equivalent to a low 4-star recruit. Will Michigan's class produce ten players who earn 3 IMPACT ratings and a handful more of 2's? I believe so. Will Michigan's class produce star power similar 'Bama's '09 group? I doubt it. Saban reeled-in four 5-star (6.1) recruits, one 6.0, and seven 5.9's. Michigan had just one 6.1, but did have three 6.0's to go with six 5.9's. That means Saban's class had two more blue chip recruits, which is a significant statistical advantage in that it probably means one more all-star or high impact player. But from a total team perspective, the difference is smaller. Michigan's group should still produce a similar number of 2's and 3's on the IMPACT scale. Here is my ridiculously uninformed, way-too-early, obnoxiously long, and somewhat offensive projection for each Michigan recruit:
- Derrick Green - 3 – Seems like a perfect fit for the system and the depth chart is shallow at RB
- Henry Poggi - 3 – Worst-case scenario (if healthy), Poggi is Ryan Van Bergen
- Patrick Kugler - 3 – Son-of-a-coach at a position where 2013's projected starter is a converted D-lineman
- Shane Morris - 3 – Shane or Wilton Speight is likely to be a multi-year starter; could be #2 in 2013
- Dymonte Thomas - 3 – If it's possible to a sleeper as a 5.9 recruit, he is; already enrolled
- Mike McCray - 3 – Could follow Jake Ryan as the next great Michigan SAM
- Kyle Bosch - 3 – Nasty man with college size and an early enrollee
- Chris Fox - 3 – We are still a bit short OT's after 2013; likely multi-year starter
- Jake Butt - 3 – Early enrollee will almost ceratinly play significant minutes in 2013
- Taco Charlton - 3 – Will Taco be the best pure pass-rusher on the 2013 team? Already enrolled.
- Jourdan Lewis - 2 – Not tall; great athlete but IMO a 50/50 shot at becoming starter
- Ross Douglas - 2 – Another 50/50 player; he or Lewis probably pans out; already enrolled
- Delano Hill - 2 – Safety is actually becoming a pretty loaded position; Hill has a 50/50 shot
- Ben Gedeon - 2 – Like this kid's character, so he's a 3 in my heart, but LB is loaded
- David Dawson - 2 – Great prospect, but our O-line is suddenly loaded on the interior
- Logan Tuley-Tillman - 2 – Massive man who will benefit from his early enrollment
- Wyatt Shallman - 2 – Probably destined for FB or DT; will probably be a great role player
- Maurice Hurst Jr. - 2 – I believe this kid is a sleeper
- Deveon Smith - 2 – More suited to Michigan's style than current backs
- Jaron Dukes - 2 – Conspicuously good production in HS against good DB's
- Khalid Hill - 2 – TE is still a thin position for Michigan; Hill will have a chance to contribute
- Da'Mario Jones - 2 – Only the recruiting services thought this kid was a 3-star
- Scott Sypniewski - 1 – Long snappers are long snappers
- Csont'e York - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate
- Reon Dawson - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate
- Dan Samuelson - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate
- Channing Stribling - 1 – They can't all work out; just trying to make the numbers accurate
Of the twelve players that were projected as 2's, it's likely that about half will end-up as non-factors. The other half will be some combination of 2's and 3's, and a couple of the projected 3's will end-up as 2's or busts. That leaves this class with about ten 3's, five 2's, and twelve 1's. This is roughly equivalent to what 'Bama produced from their third class in terms of IMPACT.
Hoke's recruits from these first three classes will probably be more productive than Saban's because the Michigan roster was in much worse shape for two reasons: 'Bama's '06 class was loaded with talent while Michigan's 2010 group was a 3-star party; and Saban inherited a roster much more suited to his style than did Hoke. So while it may seem like my projections have been generous, I do believe Michigan will crank out 3's and 2's at a high rate from these first three classes, partly out of necessity. But the numbers indicate that these players will be highly productive, but not quite the all-stars that the Tide crank out year after year.
Michigan has some important statistical disadvantages. The first is pure numbers: Saban brought in 11 more commitments than Hoke did in his first three years. I believe this comparative weakness will be mostly—if not completely—overcome by the character of the Michigan commits. Not only does Saban dump players who are less talented, he also loses more guys to crime and grades than does Hoke, and my guess is that Hoke will probably have fewer pure busts. I do believe Hoke can overcome the roughly three player per class disadvantage. Overall, just looking at limited numbers, I would guess that the actual advantage is only about one extra player per recruiting cycle due to the Tide's willingness to take kids that are good at football but not so good at life.
The second difference is the talent of the recruits. Saban's first three classes hold a .05 average Rivals Rating advantage over Hoke's, and the chart above tells the story: Saban got more top level recruits in his first three classes. Notice the big differences in 5.9, 6.0, and 6.1 recruits. Saban had 29 commits fall into those categories—more than a third (35%) of his '07-'09 commitments. Hoke has had just 14, representing less than 1/5 (19%) of Michigan's signees. In fact, the only ratings in which Michigan picked-up more recruits than 'Bama are the 5.5 and 5.6 levels, which are low-to-mid 3-star types.
Michigan also has underwhelming talent and/or depth at a couple of positions where the Tide is loaded: RB and WR. Treadwell chose the Ole Miss snake oil, leaving Michigan with only 3-star recruits at WR (though I believe two of those prospects were underrated) and 'Bama grabs 4-star WR's on a consistent basis. At RB, Michigan's 2013 class is excellent, but it will take another year or two of classes like that to have comparable talent to 'Bama.
D-Line is another spot where Michigan is still thin; the Heininger Certainty Principle helps here, but we'll still need pass-rushers. Saban recruits DE's to play OLB in his 3-4 scheme, so he uses different bodies in different ways, but he recruits DE/LB types very heavily, and 2-3 DT's every year as well. I expect Michigan to be recruiting 3-5 D-line prospects every year going forward
Saban tends to take lots of lower-rated OL recruits and still turns them into stars. His strategy seems to be to simply get five or six OL commits every year and turn a couple into All-SEC types while the rest land on the trash heap. Positionally, that seems to be the only real difference among Hoke and Saban's targets—Michigan's focus on the best possible O-line players and 'Bama's relative ignorance of that position in terms of Rivals Ratings.
The bottom line is that Saban signed more players and got better talent in his first three tries than did Hoke. That said, Hoke's focus on character mitigates those disadvantages by having fewer misses and getting more out of his players. But in order to build a juggernaut, we will probably need classes that are consistently as strong as our 2013 haul. And while Hoke's latest effort is on par with Saban's early classes, 'Bama has continued to improve the quality of their recruits: 2013 is Saban's best class yet.
The talent gap is still there, but it seems to be closing. Can character and coaching help build a national champion in Ann Arbor? Time will tell.
This is a really good read and well done. Thanks
Go Blue
for providing some perspective and some thought provoking material.
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1. Always live up to, or exceed your Rivals Star Rating.
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2. Any injury--real or imagined--can get you kicked off the team if you aren't very good.
Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.
Overall, this is a very interesting comparison. I do think you probably err on the side of optimism with regard to the future prospects of Michigan's recruits, but I suppose that's understandable.
One thing that really jumped out, though, was this on Poggi: "Worst case scenario ... Poggi is Ryan Van Bergen." I dig the enthusiasm, but saying that the floor for a high school kid iwho hasn't proven anything s honorable mention All-B1G and a team leader ... seems a bit breathlessly excited.
Pause, think of illustrious names such as - I don't know, Gabe Watson? - and realize that both the floor and the ceiling are subjects of complete conjecture at this point for all 18 year old kids. Also, show RVB some respect for a very good Michigan career.
I try to lose my homerism, but don't always succeed.
"Worst case scenario" was the wrong language. I would say, however, that based on his talent and background, I would expect Poggi to be as good as or better than RVB.
Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.
Poggi is a Rivals 4-Star with a 6.0 rating. Here are the other 6.0 4-Star Michigan commits in the Rivals era: Tim Jamison, Mario Manningham, Marquise Slocum, Antonio Bass, Justin Boren, Carlos Brown, Jonas Mouton, Boubacar Cissoko, Dann O'Neil, & Justin Turner.
than myself that I can live with the results, NCs or no? I'm just not willing to become Alabama, or the SEC for that matter. If we come up a little short because we're not quite so semi-pro/because of academic standards/because we don't stockpile players,* I for one am cool with it, especially if we have neat teams and perennially contend in the B1G.
EDIT: To this list you could also add that we don't have coaches who abuse the kids.
"If there are any Big Ten teams that shoot for a national championship, they're damn fools...You play to win the Big Ten championship, and if you win it and go to the Rose Bowl and win it, then you've had a great season. If they choose to vote you number one, then you're the national champion. But a national champion is a mythical national champion, and I think you guys ought to know that. It's mythical."
-Bo Schembechler
I believe that Michigan Football will not merely endure: it will prevail
Perhaps more TBs and WRs will realize that playing with a stud Oline will make it easier to showcase their talents.
Of course we all will have differing opinions, but I can't say I honestyly disagree with your projections; only that I hope a few will prove to play a number above, and of course, that would mean a few would play a number below. Houma, imo, is a player who could be a Lloyd type. He is going to get stronger, as do all players at any level, the longer they stay in the system. I really don't know if he has that ¨nasty¨ in him that makes all the good ones great blockers, such as Chris, but there is no doubt in watching his tape, he could be as much as .2 seconds faster in the forty and with some inside traps that I´m certain this staff will attempt to utlilize, don't be surprised to see him scamper for runs of 30+ on more than a few occasions.
Real good stuff as a whole, and thanks for your hard work.
"Saban brought in 11 more commitments than Hoke did in his first three years."
I'll bet that difference will skyrocket during his next 3 years...
"Oh no, no, I'm not in the group yet. No, I'm afraid I just blue myself."
Saban is now averaging 25 commits per class. I believe we should expect attrition at a rate of 5 players per year at Michigan, which is pretty low for a top level program. Transfers, academics, and kids doing stupid stuff should open up about 5 spots per year, making our average about 22.
I would expect that difference to drop a little.
Thank you, Coach Hoke, for bringing Michigan back.
Excellent blog and a good read although you do get a bit homerish at the end, but I think you know that.
The biggest difference in recruiting between the two teams so far is at skill positions which is why Derrick Green was such a huge get for Michigan and hopefully Shane Morris pans out as well. If we want to be as good as Alabama we need to build that RB depth. With the offensive line depth that we have coming in we have a chance to be ridiculously good if we find a back or two that can be productive.
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Not to sound like a downer, but I'm not a big fan of how you're attempting to compare Hoke's classes to Saban's classes with your Impact metric.
If a player hasn't played (e.g., currently redshirting), he gets a value of 1. The problem comes when you compare the class to Saban's. Because Saban has been at Bama longer, we already know how his players turn out, which gives them (usually) a value of 2 or 3. So, right away, it's unfair to compare their classes using your metric.
It's an interesting idea, but I think analysis should be done in a few years.
The main problem with the impact metric is that he's basically basing it on "does the guy start every game, play situationally, or ride the pine?" In other words, it's relative to the team.
I think we can all agree that Alabama is a very, very good team, and their talent depth has a lot to do with that. So a 1 on 'Bama might well be a 3 on a MAC squad or, sad to say, a 2 or even 3 on Michigan (at least in certain positions).
The only way to compare impact between Michigan and Bama is to assume Michigan is (or will be) just as good as Bama. Which clearly begs the question.
What the impact metric DOES measure well is, "what percentage of the coach's recruits end up helping the team?" But that's only interesting for the first few years of a coach's career and only relative to the total number of recruits taken. After all, every team has to line up 11 guys on each side of the ball, whether they're great or incompetent.
I think an interesting thing to do with the data would be to compare the Rivals ratings of your "3" players from team to team. In other words, is the team starting mostly 4 star talent? Or are they finding diamonds in the rough (or being forced to start the rough...)? What percentage of their highly rated recruits bust? How does their average "3" player compare to their average recruit? This might bust or confirm the idea that teams like Bama take more chances on recruits who "aren't as good at life" - If that were true, you'd expect more of Bama's 4-5 stars to bust (which they'd make up in volume) while "high character" Michigan men would be less likely to wash out.
Anyway nice work over all, this clearly took a lot of thought and effort.
Great read, really. Oversigning or not, Nick Saban sets the standard for college football coaches. He wins, and he wins big. His style of football (smothering defense, pounding the football down an opposing team's throat until they cry uncle) is something I hope Hoke comes to perfect in the coming years.
But if winning on a consistent basis like Alabama means oversigning, treating a LOI as a chance to try out for the team vs. actually being on the team, and kicking kids off the team because they just aren't good enough, then I don't want to win.
Brady Hoke: Kicking Ass And Signing Names On The Recruiting Trail
You took the words out of my mouth, and put them on the internet before I could.
And you even mentioned Satan's style of football. I believe that is what we call Big-10 football, is it not? But now since Alabama and LSU run it so well in the SEC, all of a sudden it's not Big-10 football anymore.
I really am hoping that Hoke and Co. can master that offense the way Michigan always has mastered that offense.
I have several close contacts within the football organization. Info/ opinion in this piece has several major flaws. Several things I have heard in person that is not congruent with this article:
Ojemudia is on the outside looking in, and Beyer will be better overall.
Butt has a long long way to go before playing time.
Pipkins is not slated to start by any stretch of the imagination.
Wormley is a physical force and will get time next year.
Just to name a few. There is significant difference between scouting evidence and the results that have occurred in the past year with real practice
~Michigan Insider~
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I have several close contacts within the football organization. Info/ opinion in this piece has several major flaws. Several things I have heard in person that is not congruent with this article:
Ojemudia is on the outside looking in, and Beyer will be better overall.
Butt has a long long way to go before playing time.
Pipkins is not slated to start by any stretch of the imagination.
Wormley is a physical force and will get time next year.
Just to name a few. There is significant difference between scouting evidence and the results that have occurred in the past year with real practice
~Michigan Insider~
I know people.
I have several close contacts within the football organization. Info/ opinion in this piece has several major flaws. Several things I have heard in person that is not congruent with this article:
Ojemudia is on the outside looking in, and Beyer will be better overall.
Butt has a long long way to go before playing time.
Pipkins is not slated to start by any stretch of the imagination.
Wormley is a physical force and will get time next year.
Just to name a few. There is significant difference between scouting evidence and the results that have occurred in the past year with real practice
~Michigan Insider~
I know people.
I have several close contacts within the football organization. Info/ opinion in this piece has several major flaws. Several things I have heard in person that is not congruent with this article:
Ojemudia is on the outside looking in, and Beyer will be better overall.
Butt has a long long way to go before playing time.
Pipkins is not slated to start by any stretch of the imagination.
Wormley is a physical force and will get time next year.
Just to name a few. There is significant difference between scouting evidence and the results that have occurred in the past year with real practice
~Michigan Insider~
I know people.
I have several close contacts within the football organization. Info/ opinion in this piece has several major flaws. Several things I have heard in person that is not congruent with this article:
Ojemudia is on the outside looking in, and Beyer will be better overall.
Butt has a long long way to go before playing time.
Pipkins is not slated to start by any stretch of the imagination.
Wormley is a physical force and will get time next year.
Just to name a few. There is significant difference between scouting evidence and the results that have occurred in the past year with real practice
~Michigan Insider~
I know people.
The main difference I see in Bama vs Michigan is that Bama dominates us in the skill player department. Richardson, Ingram, Jones, lacy, and many more seem to trump anything we've got at this point. I do think our past two classes have a shot to produce similar results. Hoke has done a phenomenal job.
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is more informative than the first half. I think comparing the ratings of the various commits can tell us something about future success, but I can't really figure out the utility of labeling everyone a 1,2,or3 in terms of seeing how the team will do in the future. wouldn't any team have a similar rate of 1,2,or 3 players by virtue of the fact that they gotta play 22 guys? Trying to have a discussion more than be critical, i always look forward to your diaries Ron Utah.
I think a good movie would be about a guy who's a brain scientist.
Saban utilizes a scheme that hinges on 1 mandate - talent suited to specific roles with a few spots requiring elite.
His 3-4 scheme completely hinges on rangy LBs and shutdown CBs. Those 2 types are elite recruits.
His O requires explosive RBs and at least 1 feature WR - hard to find. The rest of the recruits can be less than elite although very specific traits like a steady QB, power OL and versatile TE.
Now he will take elite players at every position if they fit the role, but he doesn't recruit elite players outside his scheme. The scary factor is Bama starting to land more 5* kids at non elite positions like TE, S and DL.
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