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The task force was appointed after the killing of 20 children and six educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School Dec. 14.
Sharkey is threatening not to sign an emergency certification for a bill in March that will incorporate school safety elements, mental health programs and changes in the gun laws unless someone from each of four caucuses is onboard.
The definition of consensus is a majority of the working groups, which would be nine members as long as there is at least one member from each of the four caucuses among them.
The hang-up on the 16-member gun safety working group is agreement across party lines on defining an expansion of the assault weapons ban and a limit on high-capacity magazines.
The final review by the mental health working group will take place Tuesday morning, and the gun working group will come together at 12:30 p.m. in Room 2D, where the recommendations of each party will be made public, as well as where there is bipartisan agreement.
After that, the leadership from the House and Senate will negotiate the terms of a bill to be voted on possibly as early as March 13, if Sharkey and state Democratic President Pro Tempore Donald Williams, D-Brooklyn, sign off on it.
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Williams and state Senate Majority Leader Martin Looney, in a letter to Sharkey, however, continued the pressure for the first bill on gun control to be the most comprehensive so the issue does not run into competing agendas as lawmakers deal with the budget later in the session.
"Other states — New York, Colorado and Maryland — have taken action since the Newtown tragedy. In Connecticut, we must not bow to pressure from those who would delay action as a way of blocking common sense reform," they wrote.
State Rep. Stephen Dargan, D-West Haven, a member of the gun safety working group, said given the unique nature of the bipartisan task force, however, "some kind of consensus is important" in an arrangement that is more of a unicameral approach.
Looney and Williams are adamant that an expanded assault weapons ban and limiting gun magazines to 10 bullets be part of the initial bill.
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"I think we are getting closer to consensus," said state Sen. Leonard Fasano, R-North Haven, working off the bipartisan task force and refining it further.
Sharkey also gave himself some wiggle room, adding that some things could be part of the bill that didn't go through the working groups, if leadership is onboard.
While the tragedy at Newtown will continue to dominate the legislative session, Sharkey is staking out positions on the budget in a biennium process where he agrees with Gov. Dannel P. Malloy on the need to hold the line on tax increases, while he would temper some of the governor's fiscal proposals as harmful to municipalities.
Sharkey, like Malloy, is critical of the property tax on vehicles as regressive, but he doesn't expect towns to go "cold turkey" in losing the revenue it generates, estimated between $566 million and $700 million, by fiscal 2015, which has been suggested by the governor. Continued...
The speaker also has revived the MORE (Municipal Opportunities & Regional Efficiencies) commission to look at a possible statewide standard tax rate for the car tax, or eliminating it over time with state funds to help cushion the blow.
That group will also look at education costs, regional solutions for towns and school boards, rewards for cooperation and mandate relief.
State Rep. Jeffrey Berger, D-Waterbury, who will chair the subcommittee on local revenue options, said lawmakers hope to have some changes in place to affect grand lists this October.
Malloy is proposing consolidating some grants and shifting money to capital projects, with the payment in lieu of taxes for state property sent to enhance education funding, although that would not be mandatory.
"I understand the governor is correct that from a technical standpoint, his view is that he is holding towns and cities harmless again this year. But to convert cash operating dollars to bonding or capital related expenditures is problematic because the state cash grants that are provided to cities and towns go to pay the salaries of firefighters, policemen and public works," Sharkey said.
Sending dollars to a capital fund also requires towns to spend money to qualify for those capital expenditures.
The speaker said there is a "genuine desire" to keep to the two-year $43.8 billion bottom line as proposed by Malloy, but lawmakers are expected to go back to the grant structure in place now, rather than his proposed consolidation.
Picking up that theme, on a municipal taxing level, Sharkey would like to see separate tax rates for municipal services and one for education, so it is clear to residents where their money is going.
He would like to see such a change take effect in fiscal 2015, perhaps as a pilot program, depending on what the MORE commission finds.
On changing the state spending cap, Sharkey said based on his review of the history of the cap that was instituted in 1992, it was not the intent of lawmakers to preclude the state from maximizing federal dollars. Continued...
When the Affordable Care Act is fully in effect in January, the state gets reimbursed 100 percent for additional Medicaid costs.
He said in addition to proposed cuts, hospitals took a major mid-year adjustment this year in unanticipated cuts by the state.
Sharkey said they are being told by the hospitals that the cuts will impact services, not just profits, and while the number of Medicaid patients will increase, that funding stream still does not reimburse their full costs.
As for the extension of the tax on power plants and a surcharge on the corporation levy that were set to expire, Sharkey said it has to be discussed with those industries.
He said to grow the economy in a difficult climate, you have to have certainty.
One group that is being wooed out of state are the gun manufacturers who are complaining that jobs will be lost if the state adopts a stricter assault weapons ban and limits magazine capacity.
In a letter to lawmakers, the manufacturers said they contributed more than $1.7 billion in economic activity to the state in 2012 and employ close to 2,900 people.
Sharkey said an assault weapons ban expansion here wouldn't preclude the industry from selling elsewhere.
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Owners Rebecca Sheidy-Henninger,Rev. Matthew F. Thomas,and Elizabeth EJ Jackson celebrated the Grand Opening of U3, pronounced U-Cubed, on Nov. 3. The holistic based organization will offer workshops, support groups and classes to groups or to individuals with an emphasis placed on creating a calm and safe environment.
Were trying to be as diverse as possible, said Thomas.
Its all different things. We have some massage people that we talked to that are going to come, said Sheidy-Henninger.
Other holistic practitioners; flexology, reiki, body work, added Thomas.
State Representative Gary Day presented U3 with proclamations and citations from Senator Judy Schwank, Congressman Jim Gerlach, Senator Pat Toomey and Governor Tom Corbett.
Day read from Gerlachs note, The unique nature of U3 along with your history of accomplishment and entrepreneurial spirit will no doubt enable you and your partners to achieve tremendous success as you serve the holistic needs of the Kutztown community and beyond.
We do give funding to counties for social services and to help people, said Day.The idea is if we help people we help the entire community. Were only as strong as our weakest link as a community and it sounds like this operation is going to attack that with multiple different things.
It provides alternatives; it is the place for people to come to learn how to take themselves out of the hecticness of the world right now and carve out their own little space no matter where they are, said Jen Anderson-Wenger, friend and attendee.
To me traditionalist is holistic. Its the ways of the old; the way people used to heal themselves years ago, you know, like before modern medicine, said Sherri Keppley, a long-time friend of Matt and Rebecca.
Rebecca Sheidy-Henninger, is a licensed social worker certified in trauma focused cognitive behavioral therapy with specialization in treatment of PTSD. She is also trained in eco-systemic structural family therapy. Sheidy-Henninger had been preparing the paperwork to begin her own private practice in Kutztown when she saw a friends post on Facebook. Rev. Matthew F. Thomas was looking for an office to continue his work as a Reiki master, teacher, minister, and psychic artist.
Matt was doing Reiki and I was doing mental health, mostly trauma counseling with kids, and I wanted to find a way to make the two things work. I always said to him if you ever decide you want to get an office, call me, said Sheidy-Henninger.
Thomas had suffered an accident that left him unable to endure physical labor for any length of time so he needed to reinvent himself.
I took all of the talents I have, make-up artist, skin care, holistic healing, and I put it all on a website and started consulting, said Thomas. I said this isnt really working out and so I needed an office.
Thomas conventional skill is as an esthetician or licensed skin care specialist. As a team member, he deals as a minister and holistic healer with the things people cannot see; the things that medicine and science does not know about yet. He deals in things that are based in legend and superstition, but have a very real effect on your spirituality and your psyche and your emotional well being, he said.
All of these things are coming into play in our world today with the end of the world, the Mayans, rapture, this, that, and the other thing and its freaking people out; they dont know what to think, said Thomas.
Thomas pulled a friend, Elizabeth EJ Jackson, into the plan because of her work as a certified addictions counselor, a certified clinical supervisor, and as a clinical hypnotist. Jackson also hosts a community outreach program on BCTV entitled, Some Days Youre the Windshield...Some Days Youre the Bug. Her show is on the third Monday of every month at 9 p.m. She is a certified MBSR (mindfulness based stress reduction) trainer and a certified master NLP (neuro linguistic programming) practitioner.
You are in a trance, said Jackson. Actually were in a trance most of the time throughout the day. Our subconscious is in charge about 90-95 percent of the time.
Jacksons passion is training clinicians to work with not just traditional forms of treatment, but with newer recognized techniques such as meridian tapping and changing your story through visualization and co-creating in your mind what you need to do. She recently attended training on cyber addiction.
I feel personally that this is a spirituality issue and weve been treating the symptoms rather than getting down to the core and getting into the subconscious and actually having the healing happen, said Jackson.
Jackson will be holding a weekend of workshops limited to 20 women in January. She will be helping them get rid of all the toxic stuff and bring up all the good new stuff.
One of the practitioners currently on board is freelance make-up artistMaleeva F. Epperson, of Kutztown. She was offered an associate position with U3 after networking with Matt through Facebook. As a make-up artist for film and television, Epperson, works with an exclusive celebrity skin care cosmetic line.
Im teaching women about beauty from skin care and a make-up stand point; its something Im very passionate about, said Epperson.
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The goal of U3 is to continue bringing on more associates from various aspects of health and well-being to do complimentary, holistic, and traditional therapies.
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Zeppelin Captain
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #50 on:
July 06, 2011, 07:18:51 pm »
Deja Vu ?
Rogue Ætherlord
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Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #51 on:
July 06, 2011, 07:23:25 pm »
The problem Kougi2011 is really with your second post where some friendly answers started to get fired back on. You have come over as beliigerent and conceited. This may not be intentional. It may be poor wordcraft (there have been comments about paragraphs etc and your punctuation can be confusing.) If I may:
Quote from: Kougi2011 on July 06, 2011, 08:37:27 am
bicyclebuilder I am here and that's enough if not then fine ill leave.
And to you two, my frustration is about turning something that we hold dear and near to us into a novelty and a fashion parade instead of a genre, do you understand?
Yes we understand that entirely and there are numerous threads on bandwagon jumping, commercial exploitation etc.
Forgetting where you came from in terms of a movement or genre and cheapening the meaning of it by taking it like it is just a Halloween costume cheap and uninspired is
not the direction that people should go
My emphasis. This is your main problem. You are telling people they should not do with steampunk what they wish. YOU DO NOT HAVE THIS RIGHT.
I am sorry some people have a problem with that but you don't have to reply.
You are posting on boards where we have conversations, debate points etc and you began with a question inviting answers. If you do not wish to interact or be answered you should be posting a rant on a blog or similar. You should not invite reply if you don't want to hear it.
before then you will have a split off and it won't be as unique or inspired
This sounds as though you are claiming prescience or are demanding conformity. Neither is going to sit well.
take for instance cyberpunk, A genre that inspired steampunk.
Incorrect - actually a genre that is drawn upon by some steampunks but hardly inspiring steampunk.
...genre has a past and a present and future
There is that word again. Perhaps wise to put it to bed in that steampunk is an awful lot more than a genre now.
All that i am saying is that What i am seeing at Cons and such is
people who don't have a true love of it
my insert
I think that you must have seen some people at cons who do "have a true love of it".
are taking it to the same lame things that ruined other genres of creativity all for the "look" of the thing or don't research real history or the essence of the genre.
but that is actually their right. You do not have the right to say they cannot do what they wish to do. Even if you did you have no way of controlling or policing it.
Just dressing up with non steampunk items and barely trying and running around saying hey we are steampunk and it has nothing to do with it, is just appalling and then people think hey that is what steampunk must be like.
You may find it appalling and no doubt there are many here who would agree but the simple answer is "tough, that is the way things are."
What that does is it ruins the idea of what it is.
Massive leap here. These people are not ruining my idea of what steampunk is. Many here enjoy their steampunk and at an extremely high standard.
SO please spare me your prattle
May I suggest that this little gem of an aggressive phrase could perhaps have been directed more introspectively?
and please think a little higher than what you think i am saying and actually see what i am saying.
Unfortunately we are reacting to what we are reading. If you are not getting your message across this is your failing to convey your message not the failing of the reader.
That still does not excuse others from going with the lame at the time what's popular game and movie genre and going with whatever is on
but they don't actually need an excuse do they?
i am saying that people like that just frustrate me a lot.
Fair enough and I am sure others find this frustrating too.
People who just go with what's popular that month or week and don't think for themselves.
Or offer anything that is productive and positive to the genre.
(my emphasis)
and this is the crux of the matter!
YOU are not offering anything productive or positive. You are simply moaning and complaining. That is what is frustrating and annoying people. You say we don't have to reply but you are guilty of the crime you accuse "the lame" of. Hypocrisy causes a backlash I am sorry to say.
You may not like the analysis above but I am genuinely trying to show you why you are meeting a contrary opinion from the posters.
You see we often have people who drop in here and try to tell us how to be steampunk or how not to be steampunk. In being told we take offence.
You have two options:
1) Start asking and try and listen to the replies to learn what steampunk means to people here or
2) Start showing us what your kind of steampunk is. If it is good it will inspire people. Let your art do the talking perhaps.
Your post of 06:38:16 shows you have an understanding of what may have gone on.
Opinions are always welcome. This place does not expect nor demand total agreement. You may not be trying to offend but you have (as you have realised) been offensive.
You do not have to be sorry for holding differing views. It is polite to apologise for being offensive.
Last Edit: July 06, 2011, 08:01:12 pm by TimeTinker
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Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
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July 06, 2011, 07:40:13 pm »
Thank you Professor Oilcan, though i do not agree with your opinions entirely I will say that I do appreciate them.
I would enjoy a good friendly discussion, On anything and actually get to know more people. I would be happy to.
I will continue to state my opinion however I will try to understand the forum a little better but that doesn't mean I will conform to it entirely.
I am still unique to myself and will continue to talk in my own way. IF there is a misunderstanding then merely ask me and i shall respond to it.
I am more than happy to respond politely and honestly. I can guarantee that i will respond unique to me and there for not a round peg in a round hole.
I will try to be more diverse in my responses as i am to those whom respond to me, or discuss things with me.
I thank you very much, this is very exciting to me to be apart of this.
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Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
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July 06, 2011, 07:47:46 pm »
Quote from: Kougi2011 on July 06, 2011, 07:40:13 pm
Thank you Professor Oilcan, though i do not agree with your opinions entirely I will say that I do appreciate them.
I would enjoy a good friendly discussion, On anything and actually get to know more people. I would be happy to.
I will continue to state my opinion however I will try to understand the forum a little better but that doesn't mean I will conform to it entirely.
I am still unique to myself and will continue to talk in my own way. IF there is a misunderstanding then merely ask me and i shall respond to it.
I am more than happy to respond politely and honestly. I can guarantee that i will respond unique to me and there for not a round peg in a round hole.
I will try to be more diverse in my responses as i am to those whom respond to me, or discuss things with me.
I thank you very much, this is very exciting to me to be apart of this.
No one on here has wanted you to be a round peg in a round hole, this is just what we have been talking about with steampunk being an individual process, we are all different on here and I welcome you here and hope to have many discussions with you over time, be honest but be polite that is all we ask for here.
It is good that you are excited to be here and I hope to see your artwork very soon.
Professor G O Pivot Oilcan
Teacher of mad Steam related mayhem, mentor to a few mad scientists and owner of the Imperial Steam Powered Airship and Transportation Company.
Deck Hand
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Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #54 on:
July 06, 2011, 07:51:02 pm »
Thank you again, I am very happy to be additive to the process. My ideal of steam punk has not changed but the depths of it has.
Unfortunately I am not in the position to add any art at this time but When i do, I do expect people to like and dislike what i have done and that'
s fine.
Last Edit: July 06, 2011, 08:15:59 pm by Kougi2011
Just call me Rob
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Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #55 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:07:51 pm »
One more thing.
[paraphrasing] You say that you're going to stick with your views of steampunk, and that you don't like it when people tell you that your opinions are wrong - that's great.
But, bear in mind that your first few posts were doing just that to other people.
You were saying that other people were doing it badly and their opinions were wrong.
Unintentional irony at best, blatany hypocrisy at worse.
Chill out. Look around.
Join in some positive threads.
Try getting involved in discussions about doing steampunk things which are often much more fun and friendly discussions compared to trying to define steampunk.
Be vewy vewy quiet, I'm hunting aiw kwacken.
Deck Hand
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Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #56 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:15:28 pm »
TimeTinker I respect your opinion. I want to be apart of this place its really one of the best places on the web.
There will always be those who think what someone else says is offensive.
I am here I asked a question, the responses made me feel offended and no one apologized for it. Yet as you stated i did learn what others were talking about.
Applied it to my thinking and made a decision. Naturally i am a polite person. I am sorry others didn't get to see that. I was frustrated and let you all know i was.
Therefore a understanding of that should have come but was met with offense. So it takes more than one person to be offensive. One can not be offensive alone and be sane can they?
The same question applies to politeness.
I did not want to have to go to the introduction page and begin there. I like discussion I like on occasions heated discussions.
I suppose how i said things on a internet forum are very different and i am not normally used to that. I had to change a little bit my own thinking.
I am glad i did. I see you disagree with what i said about people. Good. I am glad you do. Thank you for that. I wanted to know but more over i wanted to know what people thought of situations like that. You made your opinion clear. Again sir, YOU made your opinion clear. Because some may agree with you doesn't change the fact that it is still your opinion and Just in case you think I am trying to insult you I assure you i am not and I am very respectful of that opinion. My opinion is different and that may cause clashes but i am not here to tell people what they should and should not do.
I am here to discuss what they do and to debate or discuss the Merritt of each. As i see your use of quotes does. Everyone is different here I know. My vision of steam punk too is different. How i say it may change as i learn to use the forum and add to it. My personality will not therefore so too will my words stay. I am polite and honest.
you stated that i am " You are simply moaning and complaining."
Yes, i am but with reason and opinion of what i see. You don't like it , I understand. Others don't like it that too I understand.
What i said is my opinion. This is a discussion part of the forums. When i have art or things i have done then i shall post them in their appropriate areas. No offense.
I had a issue with something i felt was hurting the genre. Yes it is a genre in my opinion. That word means and encompasses the world i see when i think of steam punk.
You are correct it is rude for someone to come to a forum to post things and try to control people, i ask you aren't the people here through their frustration trying to do the same to me?
I don't like it when people try to tell me about something they know nothing about nor care about. At the very least sir, you can say with honestly [at least i would] that i do truly care and love this genre of sci fi known as steam punk.
I do have a disagreement with your posting of cyberpunk. To me a genre that is drawn upon is apart of the definition of Inspire. Not the whole definition yes but apart of it.
I do appreciate your candidness with me and I have learned from you but it is up to me to make up my mind. I love steam punk and i see more depth to it now more than before and it is because of this discussion that i do.
Thank you TimeTinker I hope to get to know you more.
Deck Hand
United States
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #57 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:18:25 pm »
Thank you just call me rob. I appreciate that and i would love to be apart of those discussions.
Rob I know you disagree with what i said but that's part of a discussion and the learning process involved with that. No offense that's just what i understand a discussion to be.
Zeppelin Overlord
United Kingdom
Steamed up from birth
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #58 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:36:41 pm »
For a variety of reasons, I sadly wasnt able to attend the seminar at last year's Lincoln Asylum on the similarities and differences between SP in the Uk vs USA, but I am wondering, having whizzed through this thread, if some of what is going on here may be the Great Cultural Divide?
I THINK (ok shoot me doon in flames folks) that what carries us together in the UK SP community, online and at meets, are more about shared values than about specific appearances. For instance:
We VALUE wonderful homemade outfits but we still WELCOME anyone who has made even a modest effort, if it is in the right spirit. SP is not historically accurate re-enactment, there are other places for that.
We VALUE our armed services and the study of weaponry of all times and dimensions, but we BEHAVE calmly and without agression.
We VALUE the victorian courtesies but ESTEEM the complete equalities of genders, races etc etc of the modern era.
We VALUE the open camaraderie when seeing a stranger in SP gear but try to ensure no one remains a stranger for long.
In the UK we find that those who dont like the open welcoming atmosphere The Major has insisted upon dont return.......
So it's every hand to his rope or gun, quick's the word and sharp's the action. After all... Surprise is on our side.
Just call me Rob
Zeppelin Admiral
United Kingdom
Captain: RD Susurrus
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #59 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:39:33 pm »
That's certainly possible Greensteam, I wondered the self.
I also wonder if there's another divide.
Kougi2011, do you mind if I ask how old you are?
I've no interest in mocking you for being young if you are, but I'm just trying to understand the differences in our approaches to a discussion.
Deck Hand
United States
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #60 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:44:50 pm »
TO be honest I agree with those things as well I just differ.
TO answer your question i am 31.
Rogue Ætherlord
United Kingdom
Steampunk Facilitator MVSS
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #61 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:51:10 pm »
Kougi2011 Thank you for your response. I hope that whilst you may have started exhibiting the same tendencies as many of the trolls who have popped up here you are actually genuinely trying to participate.
If I have been offensive in my posts then I apologise for that unreservedly although I stress that has not been my intention.
You are mistaken on a couple of points. As I said in my response to your second post some of your points you will find people (including myself) who may agree with you.
Whilst I may venture opinions on many things there are a few facts in my response including one:
You do not have the right to tell people how to address their steampunk. Nor do you have the power to enforce or police that. It is this
that people are having trouble with especially when you state opinions as facts yourself.
Phrasing things differently may help:
"take for instance cyberpunk, A genre that inspired steampunk." could become
"take for instance cyberpunk, a genre that has inspired many steampunks" It is far less contentious but gets the same message across. You would have voiced an opinion rather than putting up a target to be knocked down.
As for steampunk being a genre may I draw your attention to the following thread. You may find it interesting?
If I can offer a single piece of advice on the venturing of opinions about steampunk it would be: "Remember that your experience of steampunk is definitive and exhaustive for you and you alone. Everyone's experience is different." (Wish I could always remember that myself.
The Abiliegh
United States
Wench with a Wrench
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #62 on:
July 06, 2011, 08:59:26 pm »
A Collections of Observations:
1. I find it humorous that whenever we get one of these inflamatory threads, there always seems to be a group of people accusing the poster of being the last fellow to have done so. This is humorous to me because it seems to imply that these people are shocked by the existance of more than one idividual capable of displaying this kind of behaivor, when, in fact, it's the very rampantness of that brash, impolite personality that that makes our forum (and Steampunk in general) shine as a beacon of polite, mannerly society.
2. Kougi: Thank you for the addition of punctuation in your later posts. It is far easier to focus on what you are trying to convey when it is not put forth as a giant "wall of text". That said, I'm confused by your desire to be part of something that you admit is "one of the best places on the web" when combined with your refusal to act as a cohesive part of that entity. From what I *do* understand of your posts, you seem to take the opinion of "You can't please everybody" and use it as an excuse not to try to do so regardless. What is being asked in response to that apparently flippiant lack of courtesy is that you simply take a moment to try to be polite. Your posts have become more civil, to be certain, but while the tone of your posts have improved, the sentiments conveyed have not yet caught up. I'd like to note that this isn't asking you to change your opinions, but simply the method and the purpose to which you deliver them. We understand that you are passionate, but please keep in mind that preachers and dictators both are passionate in their public speach.
3. I seem to find myself compeled to read over a previously disregarded thread after I see that JCM Rob and TimeTinker have posted a few times. You gentlemen are truly a delight, and I value your eloquent opinions and your level heads in a way that inspires me to investigate my own further. So, thank you!
4. As to the actual topic. Yes, I'm regularly frustrated by people. But that has little to do with their level of steampunk involvement/aptitude/creativity and the like. Mostly, I just don't like people, at least not until they've proven to me to be something beyond a drone. What has been suggested to me, and what I will pass on, is that I take a moment to actually suss out the nature of a person or a group prior to my making unchangeable judgements. Frustrating as it may be to engage in conversation with the newbie steampunk wearing a second-rate get- up and a nerf gun, I've often discovered that they are actually rather thirtsy for learning how to do it better. And for the ones that aren't... well, a girl has got to get her mean out somewhere.
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Rogue Ætherlord
United Kingdom
Steampunk Facilitator MVSS
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #63 on:
July 06, 2011, 09:10:24 pm »
Very nicely said Abi. Sometimes a new voice can sing the clearest song. Bravo.
The Abiliegh
United States
Wench with a Wrench
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #64 on:
July 06, 2011, 09:27:14 pm »
Quote from: TimeTinker on July 06, 2011, 09:10:24 pm
Very nicely said Abi. Sometimes a new voice can sing the clearest song. Bravo.
I thank you for the compliment, good sir, and I do so hope that it is warranted!
Zeppelin Captain
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #65 on:
July 06, 2011, 09:49:39 pm »
Being from the US, I don't think this is a cultural difference issue. In fact, having spent a bit of time with the Steampunks in my state at a recent convention I was beginning to wonder if we weren't considered a bit less orthodox than those on the other side of the pond, particularly regarding the "random glued-on cogs" aspect. For instance, one of the representatives of the Airship Isabella at the con looked to me like he had figured out how to magically turn his body into a brass magnet then took a stroll through a clock shop. It was seriously layered on to the point of looking a bit over the top to me, but then the Isabella is supposed to be a group of pirates, so Over the Top is a bit expected.
And then there were the few random youngsters running around in t-shirts, jeans, and flip-flops with a pair of brass or stainless steel goggles on their heads or around their necks. I'd just have to smile every time I saw that because I knew that somewhere out there there was a person who would be driven near to apoplexy if they saw that because "they're doing it wrong".
One of the panels addressed this very thing though. Apparently at a previous con one of the audience members sort of went off on a rant about "proper steampunk". Nathaniel Johnstone (I believe it was) was sitting in on the panel and rather inebriated. He stands up, interrupts the ranter with something along the lines of "What makes your neo-victorian retro-futuristic version of an alternate reality any better than mine?" and promptly passes out.
I think that pretty much sums it up. Who are you, (or I or anyone else for that matter) to dictate what is and is not steampunk? By what Authority do you dictate the rules? What makes your neo-victorian retro-futuristic version of an alternate reality any better than anyone else's? Most of the people that I've met that are involved with Steampunk in any way shape or form are involved because it's fun. They enjoy it. If the other people you're meeting are frustrating you to the point that it's lessening your enjoyment of being a Steampunk, then maybe it's time to step back, take a long look at why you decided to get into this and why you want to stay.
No matter how much you love something, if other people are involved in it there is going to need to be room for compromise. If you insist on things always being just your way, then you're eventually going to find yourself alienated from the thing you love because you've managed to make all the other people around you miserable.
Rogue Ætherlord
United Kingdom
Steampunk Facilitator MVSS
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #66 on:
July 06, 2011, 10:03:38 pm »
Just a quick reply on the issue of cultural differences:
I do not believe this is a cultural issue here but it is an experential one. Kougi2011's views are a product of his? experiences although of course there will be some differences that are generated by the Atlantic divide.
I must say DrArclight that I find your comment about "orthodoxy" with regards to appearance amusing. Trust me that this is something people strive to avoid over here. The only "orthodoxy" is one of polite conduct and acceptance of individual interpretations so this actually encourages diversity in appearance.
I have been lucky enough to attend steampunk cons in the UK, US and Canada (as far as I know a priveledge only shared with three other individuals to date). There are different "flavours" without a doubt. That does not demand any value judgements over which "flavour" is better. Quite the opposite. if I didn;t like trying all of the flavours I would stay at home.
Anyway - I don't wish to derail this thread but am more than happy to discuss this topic on another thread should anyone be interested.
Mr. Boltneck
Rogue Ætherlord
United States
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #67 on:
July 06, 2011, 10:22:28 pm »
I have to agree with Dr. Arclight and TimeTinker, that I don't think that this is down to any sort of "cultural divide." Many good, sensible responses have already been posted, and I can add only a little to them at this point.
However: I must take issue with one facet that I see in Kougi2011's thesis, and that is the notion that when the rest of the world starts finding out about something, and putting it in fashion, art, movies, etc. that somehow it's Game Over. In particular, that it somehow devalues anything which he might, at some point, create. I take issue with this for a number of reasons, the first being that while we as a group may have drawn attention to a range of retro-futurist material and 19th Century-based style, we ourselves have been drawing on this same range of references for some years, and while we may have pioneered some aspects, we hardly are in a position to lay claim to it exclusively. The second is that if someone does something creative in any medium, from any starting place, it may have merit on its own, irrespective of what others are doing. Hollywood has no power to devalue it, unless someone completely rips it off, in which case you may have an intellectual property claim, which is a separate matter entirely.
One of my favorite examples, to get concrete about it, is the Man With No Name. He first appears in a couple of samurai flicks,
, played by Toshiro Mifune. These films were openly acknowledged to have been inspired by American westerns. Next, the MWNN appears in a series of spaghetti westerns by Leone, one of them directly following one of the Japanese plotlines, and he's played by Eastwood. In most respects, I would argue that the MWNN is also the basis for
The Road Warrior
, which also has a very "western" plot, strongly reminiscent of John Ford, even though it's now set in a future dystopia. Three genres, one character, thematically similar plots...and nobody, except perhaps the late Pauline Kael, would consider any of these movies anything but landmarks of their eras. Each of them brought something new to the table.
andrew craven
Snr. Officer
United Kingdom
Clanker Zep Kapitan...From Prussia with Love
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #68 on:
July 06, 2011, 10:30:58 pm »
Your a passionate guy/gal Kougi. My apologies if I didnt see the gender in your huge colourful graffiti mural of text.
I once heard a story about two punk bands....The Buzzcocks and The Sex Pistols. There was a disagreement on who should be called which and so in all PUNK zeal they both threw physical punches, tables, chairs, guitars and bottles of cheap cider at each other in this locked room. In the end when they came out, after a few cuts, grazes and bruises and a completely destroyed room, they agreed on who should be called The Sex Pistols and who should be the Buzzcocks..hence...or rather formerly was... the bands you see now/or back then.
The thing is they are both named after a man-servant in a tongue in cheek way in anycase...(I wonder if it was the same for Mr Jester...I mean Jeter with steampunk...like Jekyl & Hyde or something)...afterall all that "what a man has got to do, a man has got to do" lark they are very much the same name and same ethos! Like what I see here.
You have sprayed your expression on BG for all to see and others have come along to spray over or by it with the way they think it ought to look. (No offence to my dear responders on this thread). And you seem to be agreeing with what is being splashed and said which is kind of cool because, despite that you dont want to get diluted yourself, socially your all for being a good person. Well who doesnt...we're all goats crossing a bridge and then we are hungry trolls on here if you get my meaning. Otherwise we wouldnt bother with such forums
Steampunk diluting...in my opinion, steampunk in its raw and truest form is being diluted with every sale a steampunk makes with her or his creations, with every convention and event we have to sell/buy tickets for too. We are very much the same as Punk and Cyber and Goth in this way as a modern fashion perspective and we are all falling to that one evil we are constantly knawed at in our lives...that is the consumer world...yet we cant live without this bain. And we love it. In fact, many of us work towards it even if they dont mean to! But its the way of things I guess.
As steampunks, we are embracing our own individuality whether it be mischeivous, trolling or graceful. Human fool to wisdom etc. As mere people we are diplomatic out of creative survival. Steampunk community is not absolute...I myself question this "community" as it is flawed in itself. But each steampunk individual means well for their own merits. I say this because I understand about rudeness. The people here are no different than yourself where rudness is concerned. For rudness, who are we to judge who are being rude when we are rude by flagging it. From what I have seen I dont see any rudness from yourself because I did not see any direct verbal/texting attack on anyone or any such name calling and threats and the such. It just looks like they are all taking it politically personal in parliment with what is said on the subject of Steampunk with a passion.
I look forward to what you interpret in your planned creations and what you have to say on such subjects and discussions of concept etc in the future. Keep it real!
Just call me Rob
Zeppelin Admiral
United Kingdom
Captain: RD Susurrus
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #69 on:
July 06, 2011, 10:36:31 pm »
Quote from: Mr. Boltneck on July 06, 2011, 10:22:28 pm
I would argue that the MWNN is also the basis for
The Road Warrior
I can let you into as secret on that one.
His name is Max Rockastancy. (or something like that)
I do remember lots of fans of the Japanese flicks complaining that the Westerns had ripped off the Yojimbo films and they shuold be ashamed.
Later when they learned that these were originally inspired by westerns these angry people went a bit quiet.
Anyway - back on track - whatever it was.
Captain Brandsson
Zeppelin Admiral
United States
"We've done the impossible, that makes us mighty."
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #70 on:
July 06, 2011, 10:40:22 pm »
Quote from: Flynn MacCallister on July 06, 2011, 01:42:24 pm
As for bandwagoners, even if you are unwilling to accept that they can make any contribution to the community in terms of ideas, surely you must accept they are useful for something: they are what you may call "bums on seats". That is, their fleeting fascination with steampunk injects
. Without bandwagoners, or with a more elite definition of steampunk, we wouldn't be able to afford the events we have. We'd have too many makers and not enough buyers (that's not to say long-haulers have to be makers, just that bandwagoners tend to be buyers.) Like 'em or not, they actually fulfil an important role in the steampunk ecosystem.
Very well put. I will be incorporating those ideas into my philosophy, if I may.
- Maximilian
Deck Hand
United States
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #71 on:
July 06, 2011, 11:04:14 pm »
Timetinker helped me to see that this forum BG, is a very different forum and much loved affair.
That honesty is welcomed but done so, in a way that is helpful and not for misinterpretation.
I gave a message as he says that didn't come across like i wanted it to. I don't mean i have to be politically correct,
I mean that this world has a different feel to me that i was ignorant of its common ways. When one moves into a new neighborhood,
or one they wanted to live in they see that there are new styles and new ways to do the same thing but in that way.
I personally am glad that people are talking to me that people are active in this thread. Though i admit my view isn't right for everyone.
My question and the presentation of it wasn't in the way that gave to conversation of the subject and not the presenter. I am glad to hear all these
views. I am happy to know that i am learning new things.
My personal view of steam punk is right for me and anyone who agrees with me, On the same coin i do not expect nor want to control what others do or think about the same genre.
AS others have said, everyone is different and that difference brings new ideas and new genres to the world of sci fi and any other genre out there.
I want to say that people who want to get started into steam punk shouldn't be afraid of being creative with what they have. That is one of the attractive things about this steam punk.
It's just been my opinion from my world that i see so many genres and products being affected by these types of things. Not all growth and not all ideas are constructive. That doesn't mean that those people can't create something new and enjoy that. It just seems that those who try to define steam punk to people this genre is hard to get a grasp of with out a central theme.
One person mentioned that he showed his mates the display of the museum, that made me think wow well that's great and if they really had a good presentation and showed some of the unique items and variations on a central theme that people can get a grasp of quickly that the quality of that display and presentation would lead the new people to better grasp the greatness of this steam punk.
In example to what i am saying is that my presentation that timetinker helped me with was an example of having a good or unusual idea that was presented in a unclear or unusual way that people misunderstood. What if that presentation was something that people who know nothing about steam punk had? What if the reaction that happened after it was the reaction of those people? These are my concerns. SO my quest was to find if anyone else here had concerns about this, Take a look at any image search in google, or flickr. I have seen images so diverse that I don't really know how to explain or describe steam punk to others because if i showed that then what would they think and then when i explain what i want to do they can't clearly have a idea in their head that its the same genre or that it is one of the oldest ideas in that world. IT gets muddled.
This is only my point with what i said. And as i said my presentation was hasty and filled with my emotion. So this simple concern got lost in that. For that i sincerely apologize.
Captain Brandsson
Zeppelin Admiral
United States
"We've done the impossible, that makes us mighty."
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #72 on:
July 06, 2011, 11:15:33 pm »
Kougi seems to be getting their footing so I would like to proceed in good faith...
While I do not agree that the problem that frustrates you is really a problem (or, more correctly, it is not a problem for all of us as a community despite being a real problem for you and other individuals), I am happy to temporarily open to your mindset for the sake of exploration.
It is in that spirit that I ask you "What is the solution?"
Last Edit: July 06, 2011, 11:33:24 pm by Captain Brandsson
andrew craven
Snr. Officer
United Kingdom
Clanker Zep Kapitan...From Prussia with Love
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #73 on:
July 06, 2011, 11:21:24 pm »
I guess we all got to take the rough with the smooth, even in the steampunk. I do see that other particular inadvertant diluting as you say. Fools they maybe, but I guess we have to be patient with them with the hope that they will learn more with what they can do in time other than buying from a ready-made line of steampunk clothing...or even adhering to a certain aesthetic as typical etc. This has happened with goth and cyber and punk in itself with these ready made clothes. A contrast to the garments or object d'art or even technology that is assembled by the tinkerers, dabblers and makers who have a firm grasp of the ethos and its wide array of knowledge that can be adopted. Art for Art's sakes...Beauty for Beauty's sakes etc
Rogue Ætherlord
United Kingdom
Steampunk Facilitator MVSS
Re: Okay What is the Deal with these goings ons.
Reply #74 on:
July 06, 2011, 11:22:49 pm »
Then may I offer a genuine welcome to Brassgoggles Kougi2011.
It is a somewhat unusual place on the internet. We strive for polite conduct as much as we are able. We often argue and disagree because passions run strong. However we argue in such a way as to avoid offence if we can.
You seem to be finding your feet now and I look forward to interacting with you further.
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I had the same issue. It seemed like somewhere along the line, my tone gets 'broken' by the FX Junkie pedals. It'll either make the amp silent or the pedal silent. None of the knobs worked. I fixed it by completely starting over with New and remaking the tone. It is really bothersome and is really discouraging me from experimenting with tone especially with something I bought.
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At a first glance, it may seem that Hitmontop is a rather lacking Pokemon. Unfortunately for it, that is mostly the case. On the offensive side, it stands no match to the power of other physical Fighting-types such as Terrakion and Lucario. On the defensive side, it struggles to maintain a long lifespan because of its lack of reliable recovery. However, the one beacon of hope for Hitmontop comes in the form of Rapid Spin. In a metagame which seems to emphasize the advantages of spike-stacking, Hitmontop is the perfect kryptonite. Unlike other spinners, who often cannot get past spinblocking ghosts such as Jellicent, with the combination of Foresight + Rapid Spin, Hitmontop will get the job done. Unfortunately for it, spinning is basically all it does. With its low Attack and shallow movepool, Hitmontop is often at the mercy of strong setup attackers such as Dragon Dance Dragonite and Nasty Plot Celebi. Hitmontop has a very certain niche, but in a metagame full of spikestacking, that niche may be all it needs to be effective.
 [SET] name: Rapid Spin move 1: Rapid Spin move 2: Close Combat move 3: Foresight move 4: Toxic / Stone Edge item: Leftovers ability: Intimidate nature: Impish evs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD [SET COMMENTS] -it spins man thats what it does -foresight separates it from the other spinners since rarely do teams use double ghosts (this isnt dpp uu!) and so youre pretty much guaranteed a spin -close combat cause youre a fighting type so you need a fighting stab -toxic / stone edge is filler really - toxic means youre not set up by everything on the planet that resists fighting and stone edge so that gengar doesnt completely massacre you (it still does though) -intimidate cause youre a boss and you scare terrakions all day -max def cause your defense isnt as high as your spdef and most stuff you wanna come in on are physical [ADDITIONAL COMMENTS] -hitmontop should be used on a bulkier team that is vulnerable to hazards -pokemon that are good with hitmontop: dragonite, gyarados, terrakion, chomper, hippodown etc etc -low kick > close combat -rest > toxic/stone edge since you dont got recovery -if you do use rest, use a cleric! -you should probably have like a latias or something on your team since hitmontop is gonna draw a lot of powerful special attacks from rain/sun abusers -wish users are nice teammates! [OTHER OPTIONS] -technitop -revenge -low sweep -aerial ace breloom -rain dance/sunny day -sucker punch gengar -pursuit gengar -protect -counter -earthquake toxicroaker [CHECKS AND COUNTERS] -gengar -anything with a strong special attack really -any physical attacker that doesnt take damage from close combat -really anything that hits hitmontop for damage and is somewhat bulky cause hitmontop has no healing and is pitifully weak -you cant really stop hitmontop from doing its job so you cant counter it as you would a normal pokemon -gliscor laughs at topper -reuniclus doesnt take any sh*t from hitmontop -tornadus pow pow pow -if you get burn / poison on hitmontop its over
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always found max hp/max atk to be better than max hp/max def on the listed set becausethe additional atk evs provide far more utility than the defensive investment - CB Terrakion is 2HKOing with CC regardless and the defensive spread coming in on SE is only 'countering' him in a loose sense of the word since it hasn't really granted you any momentum whatsoever unless you have something worth spinning away. max atk still counters things like Tyranitar just as effectively but actually does something once it's in. it can provide a bit of muscle because Close Combat/Stone Edge off of 317 Atk stings like a bitch doing neat stuff to semi-bulky Pokemon such as Keldeo (68% max as opposed to 49%) and Thundurus-T (102% max as opposed to 73%).
you often go on about how pitifully weak he is but that is not an inherent trait of hitmontop, it's just a component of that EV spread. max hp/max atk is a far better addition to any balanced team in my experience. max def just forces things out a few times, gets worn down in the process and utterly kills your momentum. with that in mind, hjk is probably a better AC option than low kick because it gives you a odds-on chance to ohko breloom after SR but doesnt offer too much else.
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Technitop is really really good in OU (he is perfect on the D-D + sweeper teams). I seriously think it should get a set. Fake Out / Mach Punch / Close Combat / Stone Edge is just really good. The list of pokemon it revenges in OU is astounding. I don't feel like digging the list out now.
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Please do, QC was discussing it earlier and found TechniTop to be bad.
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It revenges every sweeper in the Metagame except Dragonite really... -___-
I'll reserve this post for some logs. The problem isn't technitop itself, it is fitting him on a team. Weatherless sucks these days.
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Jan 28th, 2013, 11:06:50 PM | #6 |
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The issue isn't what Technitop can do, it's what can it do that Breloom can't? Especially with your set; Breloom hits harder than Technitop and has Spore and can viably run Low Sweep and has potential to sweep some teams...
If you're going to push for Technitop you REALLY need to emphasize what it can do that makes it useful when Breloom is in this metagame.
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Umm... Here's my question. Even if TechniTop were good, umm... I'm really hard pressed to actually find a situation where I'd actually want TechniTop instead of Techniloom. To me, it's just a significantly weaker but bulkier Techniloom. I dunno about you, but 95 base Attack vs. 130 base Attack is a huge difference. Then just tack on Spore, Bullet Seed, and Low Sweep or Swords Dance!
In fact, that reminds me - Technician doesn't boost anything on Hitmontop except for Fake Out (lol bad), Mach Punch (outdone by Breloom), and Bullet Punch (Scizor anyone?). On Breloom, it boosts Mach Punch, Bullet Seed, and Low Sweep! Holy shit, that's 75% of a whole set and all of those moves are actually, like, I dunno, good on Breloom! And if you want a bulkier Technician user, don't we have this Pokemon called Scizor? Umm..... Ok, yeah, find me a good reason to use Technitop... Oh wait, there isn't one.
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Jan 28th, 2013, 11:21:39 PM | #8 | |
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They play completely different. You don't play Technitop as a sweeper because it is not. It is a dedicated revenge killer and it is damn good at it. They play so completely differently it is not even funny like what the hell?!
Fake Out is what makes it work. Fake Out + Mach Punch is what lets it revenge kill shit, so don't compare that to Breloom in power. Fake Out + Mach Punch OHKOs Alakazam and doesn't care about Sash, for example. Fake Out + Mach Punch is the whole point of the set anyway.. that is why it is called Technitop.. Close Combat with a Life Orb is Close Combat. Breloom has trouble causing enough damage to things like Jirachi and other bulkier shit that resists Seed Bomb. Life Orb Close Combat is Life Orb Close Combat. If you need to just plow shit, you can do it. Pursuit perfectly viable on it as well for certain teams. Once people figure out your shit and want to save something you can pick off a kill. Bulk - Hitmontop is surprisingly difficult to OHKO without a Choice Item unlike Breloom. In a lot of worse case scenarios, you can beat things one on one with a simple Fake Out + Close Combat or Close Combat + Mach Punch. For example, non Choice Band Garchomp loses to Technitop one on one because of pure Bulk. Outrage maxes at 79% and you beat it with Close Combat + Mach Punch. Choice Band Scizor suffers a similar fate. Just examples... Scizor's as a Technician user doesn't quite do the same thing as Technitop either.. Bullet Punch has worse typing coverage, and again.. it lacks Close Combat. I'm not saying Hitmontop isn't more useful because it certainly is not but it is different. Why don't people acknowledge different pokemon rather than trying to compare everything? Quote:
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Well at least we're not using Donphan to spin.
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Pursuit... Umm... Scizor, Tyranitar, Weavile? If you want Pursuit, use any one of these Pokemon because they do it better than Hitmontop. Also, Breloom has Low Sweep to similarly deal high damage when it doesn't need to use priority. The power increase from Close Combat is for the most part offset by Hitmontop's low base Attack anyway. As for bulk.... Scizor has a Steel typing, so in the long run, its bulk will end up being more relevant since it has a good number of resistances unlike Hitmontop. That, and actually good base Attack. The last time I used Technitop was in the Excadrill meta, where Technician Mach Punch was actually useful to revenge Excadrill and Technician Breloom didn't exist. But without either of those factors around... It's hard justifying any usage of Technitop when you have two better options for Technician abusers.
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TechniTop really ain't a good set tbh.
I'd rather be using Breloom if I want Technician Mach Punch. It hits way harder, has SD to boost its power, and has Spore to incapacitate an opponent. Spore makes it so that its lack of bulk hardly even matters, so eh. Fake Out is a pretty bad move. It provides no notable coverage. Plus, Mienshao and even Weavile are better users of the move. Not to mention Fake Out allows some nasty switch-ins to dangerous shit like Gengar and Terrakion. Heck, I'd go as far as saying Ambipom is a better choice for that. I'm dead serious. Bulk...Alright, I'd rather be using Scizor. It has good bulk, numerous resistances, priority Bullet Punch already, and U-turn. Mmmhmmm. Much better than Shitmontop. Alright, it has Sucker Punch? Hey, there's the super rare Bisharp to do that! It has a Steel typing, higher Attack, and SD to boot! Pursuit, as previously stated, is left off to something better. So yeah, TechniTop isn't a good set. It may have been useful in the Excadrill meta, alright, but now there's no Excadrill, and if you are desperate to kill Stoutland, just use Breloom (iirc, Loom's LO Mach Punch OHKO's Dog?) Besides that, I don't have much to say on this analysis. Good mention that it's the one OU viable spinner who's there for teams that absolutely need hazards off the field thanks to Foresight, meaning it can spin on Gengar and Jelli! So yah, nothing really to say on this.
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Jan 29th, 2013, 6:31:14 AM | #12 |
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itt hitmontop gets outclassed by a fusion of breloom, scizor, weavile, mienshao, bisharp, terrakion and lucario.
fake out+mach punch+sucker punch allows you to revenge a bunch of stuff that breloom could only dream of and the bulk allows you to switch into stuff like scarf terrakion or latios in a pinch. you're also seriously underestimating how much a LO Close Combat hurts. technitop is a great utility pokemon to have on your team as he gives you a safety blanket that not many non-choice'd pokemon can hope to offer. when did we become so hyper-critical with regards to what gets a set and what doesn't that people are sitting here and saying, without a hint of irony, that 'breloom is a better user of mach punch and terrakion is a better user of CC and Ambipom is a better user of Fake Out and Bisharp is a better user of Sucker Punch thetefore technitop shouldn't get a set.' do me a favour...
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I can't thank you enough Lee for highlighting that moronic line of reasoning. It's not usually quite this bad, but far too common nonetheless. Practically every good pokemon is outclassed by a bunch of crappy ones if you look at it that way (terrakion's close combat is weaker than medicham's HJK, its stone edge is weaker than aggron's head smash, and it's slower than aerodactyl...).
Anyway, the fact that people arguing against it are making terrible arguments doesn't make Technitop good. I know that it's different. To get an analysis, a pokemon has to be both different and good. So basically, I don't really want to see mentions of those other pokemon it's supposedly outclassed by. Lets look at Hitmontop on its own and see if it's deserving of an analysis.
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Hitmontop still has its niche as a spinner. Okay, it's not the best spinner ever, alright, but with Foresight and Intimidate it can get the job done. It can check Terrakion and shit, so I think this thing is still viable. Other than that, that set is pretty fine. And sorry for that shitty reasoning. But I still don't see any reason to use Technitop anymore. No need to explain why (Hi, Dragonite).
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I can admit that a well played TechniTop is probably on par / better at straight up revenge killing than Breloom/Scizor, but it has nothing else to offer. Breloom can Spore / Sweep & Scizor is... well Scizor. What else can it do outside of revenge killing besides being able to tank a Close Combat from Scarf Terrakion?
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Fake Out + Mach Punch Jolteon - 105% minimum damage Infernape - 85-100% Alakazam - 97-100% Haxorus - 67-80% Breloom - 85-100% Garchomp - 52-64% Venusaur - 50-61% Keldeo - 62-75% Now, you cannot tell me the extra damage from Fake Out isn't huge when you are facing a sweep. The perk of using Technitop as a revenge killer is that is the majority of sweepers in OU making the cut (save the obvious Volcarona, Dragonite, Thundurus-T) and he doesn't need a choice item to do it. For what it's worth, Sucker Punch is kind of meh. It is too predictable and you are better off using Pursuit for those targets (especially if Fake Out takes them low on health). Pursuit and Stone Edge where the only things I've bothered using in the 4th slot. Stone Edge at least keeps Dragonite and Volcarona from getting too greedy.
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i havent used technitop but ive used the defensive set quite a lot and i thought id mention that wish salamence is a really nice partner to it; they have some nice synergy, double intimidate, force switches to rack up hazard damage, and mence can sort of make up for tops lack of recovery :)
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If myself, the majority of the qc team, and even the analysis writer doesn't think Technitop is viable, then i'm afraid there isn't much you can do or say to change our minds RL, calcs including.
It might seem like we're taking shortcuts with Hitmontop, but we genuinely believe that Technitop is unfit for OU. If you can get a small majority of people to back you up, or even some conclusive logs that shows Technitop is worth using in OU, we'll reconsider, but as it stands, there will be no further discussion.
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I am not approving Technitop.
Feb 5th, 2013, 6:42:05 PM | #20 |
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Celebi and Blissey/Chansey have ok synergy with Hitmontop and they provide Heal Bell and/or Wish so mention them in AC.
Also maybe move Revenge in AC? It is essentially a Close Combat against anything that attacks Hitmontop, as it has negative priority, and Hitmontop isn't winning any Speed award anyway so playing last is not such a misfortune. Opinions? Other than this QC Apprvoed 1/3
Feb 7th, 2013, 5:08:38 PM | #21 |
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I think additional teammates also packing Intimidate is worth mentioning. With the introduction of Landorus-T, bulky Intimidate rinsing is a much more effective strategy than it was before. Since Hitmontop can use Rapid Spin, you are free to run Salamence or Gyarados alongside of Hitmontop. This post gives an example core of such a strategy. Two Intimidators on a team together can buy breathing space for many of your other Pokemon to switch in. You can also spam Intimidate back and forth since Hitmontop should remove SR.
Yikes a mono-attacking immune to Ghost Hitmontop. Foresight is good, but it should still be slashed with Toxic. If you misplay on the Foresight, Jellicent can still Taunt to make sure you do not Rapid Spin again (and most of them carry speed past skarm now to Taunt you >.< at min speed). Even with Foresight and Toxic Gengar can still freely come in and do some damage. It can set up a Substitute and disable your attacking move, which would be Foresight Shadow Ball. Stone Edge with Toxic is still a combination that is nice since it cripples Jellicent while you can hurt Gengar.
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eh, double intimidate is cool but not entirely necessary
it's like having a sand abuser in sand, it's nice but you don't really need it! it's not that important to mention but yah this is good; technitop sucks QC Approved 2/3 you can write it up now :]
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pttp isn't working on this any longer - does anybody want to pick this up from where ballabrown left off?
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If it's music events, what your calendar really needs is a play button.
A funny thing happened on the way to the online music world. Roughly a century after the music recording revolution, we're all newly concerned with getting into venues with other human beings.
The problem is – and there's no nice way to say this – the tools out there just aren't very good. Facebook's popularity is unquestionable, to be sure, but it still doesn't cater to music needs with its event listings. And beyond that, there's a scattered landscape of different tools, none of which seems to answer basic needs.
Beatguide is just getting started this week, but it seems to have hit upon a nice combination. Focused on electronic music events, the formula is simple. Start with a city (Beatguide launches with Berlin), then see events by date, cost, and genre.
Then, you get the difference: you can listen to any of the events. After all, what ultimately determines if you want to go to a music event is what the music sounds like. (That should be painfully obvious, but that makes it all the more frustrating how many sites have gotten it wrong.) Continue reading »


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Location: Food Surveys
Technical Abstract: The Food Surveys Research Group conducts What We Eat in America (WWEIA) survey, the dietary interview component of the National Health and Examination Survey (NHANES). In the survey, dietary intakes are collected on a nationwide sample of 5,000 individuals yearly using the USDA 24-hour dietary recall method, the Automated Multiple Pass Method. Dietary intake data are analyzed and mean nutrient intake tables of the U.S. population are published with each survey data release. The tables from the 2003-2004 WWEIA, NHANES provide population level results from analyzed dietary data of mean nutrient intakes and the contribution of fat, protein, carbohydrate, and alcohol in the American diet. The tables provide estimates of mean intakes of food energy and 62 nutrients/dietary components for 21 age/gender groups throughout the life cycle as well as for race/ethnicity and income categories. Race/ethnicity categories include white, black, and Mexican-American. Income data were reported as annual family income and as a percentage of the Federal poverty threshold. The tables are available on the FSRG Web site at http://www.ars.usda.gov/ba/bhnrc/fsrg.


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WINGATE — Wingate University has announced a new political science major to be offered beginning August 2013. Responding to the demands of the community and the interests of students, the University introduces this new initiative.
"This has been three years in the making, and I am happy both the administration and faculty believe in and support political science," Dr. Joseph Ellis, assistant professor of political science, said. "This will be an enriching major for students interested in public service, non-governmental work, the legal profession or education. Dr. Magdalena Krajewska and I are thrilled about the future of political science at Wingate."
Wingate University
Wingate University, ranked as the 6th "best value" in the South by U.S. News & World Report, serves nearly 2,700 students on three campuses in Wingate, Matthews and Hendersonville. Founded in 1896, the University offers 34 undergraduate majors, 37 minors and career concentrations, numerous pre-professional programs, graduate degrees in business, accounting, education, physician assistant studies and sport administration, and doctorates in pharmacy and education. With a 14 to 1 student/teacher ratio, Wingate students gain the tools and support needed to excel in academics and apply that learning toward an extraordinary career and life.
In addition to a robust intramural athletics program, Wingate student athletes compete in 20 NCAA Division II sports. The University has won the South Atlantic Conference Echols Athletic Excellence Award for the past six years. For more information, go to www.wingate.edu.