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POLL: Obama-Romney Presidential Debate - Who Won?
The town hall-style debate gave voice to questions from uncommitted voters. Who handled the issues best?
President Barack Obama and Governor Mitt Romney were in Long Island, N.Y. Tuesday night, answering questions Tuesday night from voters who said they were still undecided while also managing to go at each other.
The questions covered topics that included energy costs, unemployment, immigration, tax codes and more.
Wednesday morning, Patch will have flash survey results from Massachusetts political activists and leaders, both Republican and Democratic.
But right now, what about you: what do you think? Who would you say 'won' this second presidential debate? Tell us in the comments sections below.
12:33 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Another moderator totes Barry's clubs for him. But he can't hide this dismal economy on his watch. And undecided voters aren't fools. Thank God for the fact-checking sites. CNN's Anderson Cooper already called out Crowley for lying about the "act of terror" speech in the Rose Garden. Turns out Obama did not call that attack in Libya an "act of terror" but referred obliquely to "acts of terror that ... uh ... will not ... uh ... be tolerated." Romney was correct: It took the administration five days to own up. Next debate on foreign policy should be interesting, given Crowley's exposed lie. Folks, are you as fed up with the media?
Darren Major
3:05 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Another Conservative whiner - When R-Money is a bully - just look the other way but tonight the President embarrassed Romney and Romney lied more than reason needed - lied on immigration, taxes, contraception, and Libya - why would ANY REASONABLE VOTER TRUST A LIAR LIKE R-Money?
9:37 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Yes I am disgusted about the media bias and it makes me angry just listening to it. I expected the media bias even before the dabate but is just surprised that Fox news did not mention it, I wish they have talked a little bit about it,
Emcee of Seekonk
10:57 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"Folks, are you as fed up with the media?"
Have been since 2008 and the bashing they gave Hillary Clinton. Still, like a battered woman, she's loyal to her man, or in this case: party. It diminishes her an awful lot, but maybe she's ready to retire, anyway.
D. B. Cooper
5:08 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Dude, open your mind. B. Huiessein Obama is bankrupting the country, don't you even care?
Darren Major
7:33 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
If it was true I might care but since it isn't true - NO I don't care about you or your comment .......facts matter and R-obme is a serial liar who is allergic to te truth and facts!
He could've just noted the phrase "47 percent" in passing with a zinger about Romney being out of touch, but he went on to name some of the major groups that compose the 47 percent, then effortlessly dovetailed it with his goals for the next four years.This is whole new election now. I can't imagine the polls not moving back in the president's favor over the next five days, and will be watching them very closely. The final debate on Monday is all about foreign policy. I presume the president will bring it once again. After all, this is Romney's weakest area, and so this election could be sufficiently wrapped up with another performance like tonight's.
7:19 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
No that'd make too much sense.. Darren would rather eat the garbage fed to the sheeple by the Obama Admin and George Soros funded media organizations such as Media Matters.. The UN amb Rice, the admin and the state dept all played the attack off as a spontaneous reaction to some unseen youtube clip. They lied for a week plus, and last night Romney was set up by Crowley and CNN while they pushed the lie further on millions of Americans. Disgraceful. Romney is far from acceptable, but far less of an evil than mr Obama. Their answer by the left and liberal media? Throw Hillary under the bus again..
7:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Another moderator in OBAMAS pocket (verifying his incorrect statement)., Between this, the corrupt media with blinders on & the millions of freeloaders & illegals who will be voting for him, it looks like he (OBAMA) can't loose! God help us.
Darren Major
8:07 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Whiner! No responsibility - blame something else - R-obme lost - simple/clear - can't you losers just be honest for once?
Emcee of Seekonk
11:32 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"...he (OBAMA) can't loose!"
Oh yes he can. I don't think this debate will make a bit of difference in the surge Romney's been having.
Darren Major
8:14 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mitt is such a pandering whiner!
10:24 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Like the Obama campaign....your only resort is name calling.
J B Coppola
8:35 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Dear Darren, this is a capitalistic country--if you want socialism, move to Canada wher you sign up to get an MRI, and nwait!!!!
Darren Major
8:44 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
The GOP has spent two decades building a media that always says they won, even when they obviously lost. But they only convince themselves.
I see the low-info voters still spouting socialism....but do not have an idea what that actually means -too stupid to successfully drop a paper on the floor - good work Coppola - great in-DUH-vidual u are!
8:54 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama attacked, distorted his weak record, and lied about Libya. He is bankrupting the company financially and morally....
Tim L
1:47 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
JB The government of the United States is not a company. A company's goal is to maximize profits, and if that means laying off people and harming those individuals' ability to provide for their families so be it. The government's goal is to maximize the prosperity of all citizens, not make them unemployed. These are two fundamentally different goals, two different visions of what that particular entity should be. The country should not be governed as business. A successful business man could be a very valuable advisor, but business success is not the end all to be all of how to select a president.
Dave Farmer
9:17 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Please don't look at the facts. Obama's record cannot be erased by hollywood retoric.
Wake up! The chair is empty. He has no business or political background. He is a tremendous onstage presence, but he can't govern and should not be given four more years to further his ajenda. He needs NO MORE YEARS!
Emcee of Seekonk
11:14 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"He is a tremendous onstage presence,..."
He's even wearing thin in that department. Check out the polls. Romney has soared ahead. Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are now considered swing states. This debate was supposed to stop the momentum... we'll see if it does. Who knows, it might add to Romney's surge.
Janet Sroczynski
9:18 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mitt Romney won the debate.
And helpful to have had Mitt Romney bring up Obama's pension. Obama's pension, invested in companies from China.
Watch the video clip or google a search for it, where Mitt Romney questions Obama on his pension. Start with the video clip available online from CBSNews.com:
Interesting how Obama surrounds himself with people who are focused on bankruptcy.
Currently the National Debt Clock in real time is: $16,182,374,117,253. And by the time you finish reading this, the figure will be substantially higher. Nearly $6 Trillion of that $16+ Trillion in new DEBT, came from the past 4 Obama years in office.
11:54 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
$6 trillion to continune to pay for 2 wars and the bush era tax cuts. Sick of hearing how republicans are more concerned about the defict that democarats. That's the biggest lie going. When Regan and Bush 1 were in office the deficit went up. Clinton turned it into a budget surplus. Bush 2 cam in and ran up the deficit with 2 wars not paid for, tax cuts (That Ryan voted for) that were not paid for. Tickle down economica did not work in the 80's, did not work inth e 00's and will not work again now.
6:03 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Clinton was president when Glass Steagall was repealed igniting the banking/financial crisis. Stop blaming Bush!
Pasquale Barletta
10:55 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
I don't know where Obama's pension is invested. I DO know R.Money's income comes almost entirely from off shore interests and Bain whose companies almost entirely sell products made in China.
Richard W. Lunt
9:38 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
This is for your benefit:
Part 1 - Obama's Ties to Socialism, Marxism, and Communism1. Obama's Father Wrote About Socialism - His father wrote a paper called "Problems With Our Socialism" that advocates 100% taxation of the rich, communal ownership of land and the forced confiscation of privately controlled land. Source: Greg Ransom, PrestoPundit 2. Obama's Mother Was a "Communist Sympathizer" - " Friends describe her as a "fellow traveler", that is, a communist sympathizer, from her youth, according to a March 27, 2007, Chicago Tribune report" Source: Spengler, Asia Times "The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics - Barack Obama" Source: Tim Jones, Chicago Tribune 3. Obama's Parents Met in a Russian Class (Back then it was the Communist USSR) - "His mother, Stanley Ann Dunham (her father always wanted a son), was white and just 18 when they met in a Russian class" Source: Sharon Cohen, St Louis Times
Kelly Smith
9:41 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Stop watching FOX news......It's messing with your mind!!
Richard W. Lunt
9:42 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Here's the second half:
4. Obama's Teen Mentor was Frank Marshall Davis (a known CPUSA member) - "...through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his poetry and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just Frank." Source: Cliff Kincaid, Accuracy in the Media "Kathryn Takara of the University of Hawaii, who wrote a dissertation on the life of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis was a significant influence on Obama when the senator attended Punahou prep school in Hawaii from 1975 to 1979" Source: Jim Corsi, WorldNetDaily based on Communism in Hawaii and the Obama Connection (Cliff Kincaid and Herbert Romerstein) 5. Obama's Brother Roy and Cousin Odinga are Marxists - "Barack Obama's older brother, Abongo "Roy" Obama. He is a Luo activist. militant Muslim and a Marxist." Source: Barbara Busby, 180people.com "The person who made me proudest of all," Obama wrote, "was Roy Source: Bill Sammon, The Examiner "Odinga is a Marxist who reportedly has made a pact with a hard-line Islamic group in Kenya to establish Shariah courts throughout the country" Source: Invenstor's Business Daily.
Darren Major
7:26 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mr Lunt - for a feckless, racist teabagger, you show your propensity for a lack of reason reason - it takes a fool to post the garbage you printed as proudly as you do - If I am supposed to accept RW blogs and fringe media and your overwrought since of white entitlement tinged with racism over common sense, then you have no hope of convincing anyone but you can play with your idiot friends and John Birchers at the next KKK...oops I mean Tea party MEETING - So why the conservative freak out? In addition to America having a black, Democratic president, there's a good chance now that America will re-elect that black, Democratic president. In large part this is thanks to the dud of a candidate the Republican party has selected yet again. Lunt is an example for FOX dumb "reporting" and latent racism
9:53 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama came out ahead of the Obama who showed up for the first debate. In that respect: he won on style, but not on substance. He failed to present any viable plan that could change the downward economic spiral or stimulate job growth. He touted, more of the same; stay the course. Clearly, a promise of continued economic malaise for the US.
Richard W. Lunt
9:29 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
What I posted are the FACTS about our socialist President; although it appears that you don't know what REAL FACTS are, maybe you should stop listening to CNN and all the other liberal media Obama hacks. You Darren are an IDIOT and a MORON. Mitt Romney will win the election by a landslide in November!
10:05 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama promised to slash the deficit, instead he increased it by $6 TRILLION!!!! The guy, and his Vice President are both morons who are clearly in over their heads and out of their depth. He threw money at all the problems, contrary to anyone's and everyone's idea of common sense, and it didn't work. Gee what a surprise. If you want to vote for a clown, vote for Obama.. again.
Janet Sroczynski
10:07 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Why is China being "allowed" to "steal" so much IP-Intellectual Property from the United States.
And now that we know that Obama's pension is heavily-tied to Chinese companies, and to investments in both China and (running through the Cayman's, think: tax haven), what has Obama been doing for the past 4 years while in office? Ohh, those big, expensive tax-payer funded vacations on a private jet. Oh that's right. Nancy Pelosi too with her expensive jet-travel to/from. And all the while, this country's IP-Intellectual Property falls through the cracks in lands in some other countries hands.
Was the empty chair at Harvard University when Obama claims he attended? Has Obama always had an empty chair philosophy/problem, or was Clint Eastwood right-on-the-money.
Hey America, wake up! This is your IP-Intellectual Property. And for those of us, myself included, who are Inventors, and we have patents in our own name, learn to use the court system to your/our advantage.
10:18 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Mitt does a nice job debating both Obama and the moderator!
Obama has no plan/agenda. He has not given any specifics. I've been trying really hard to figure out what his plan is for the next four years and can point to only a tax cut for the middle class and general statements about better education and less dependence on fossil fuel. There is nothing else there. Having said that I learned last night that "folks in America don't want low paying low-skilled jobs but want high paying high skilled jobs". I could not believe he said that except to know that he has never worked in the private sector for one day in his life. It was such an insulting thing to say to the Americans who built this country; so elitist.
On Libya, the table is set for Monday night, Obama has some explaining to do as he dug himself a big hole as to the cover-up , the time line and why there was no help or security given to Chris Stevens. The question was why was there no help and Obama never answered the question (along with a few others he never asnswered)..
So happy that Mitt got in his face and has to undo the lies that Obama tries to pass off as facts.
Mitt was exactly right about the drilling permits, they are down 62% for offshore drilling and 50% for on shore. Not even close to what Obama said…."whole bunch of leases"??? What exactly is a whole bunch????
Susan Perrin
10:51 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Based on the attitude towards women from Romney, I would not vote for him even if his plans made sense and by the way, they don't! If he is voted in, we may as well say goodbye to any progress women have made in the last hundred years.
Chriss Markey
11:05 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/16/obama-touts-fair-pay-for-women-despite-records-showing-women-paid-less-in-his-own-white-house/ ... According to a report published by the Free Beacon in April, the 2011 annual report on White House staff revealed that the median annual salary for female White House employees was 18 percent less than male employees — $60,000 compared to $71,000.
And in 2008, Scripps Howard syndicated columnist Deroy Murdock noted that as in Obama's U.S. Senate office, women were paid less than men: While the average male staffer brought home $54,397, female staffers averaged $45,152.
Romney detailed his professional history, recruiting women into positions of power during his tenure as governor of Massachusetts. He further pointed out the economic suffering women have endured under Obama, including the loss of 580,000 jobs among women and 3.5 million women in poverty.
2:05 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Susan Perrin: If OBAMA gets four more years, (and it looks like he will because of gullible people like you) the last thing we'll have to worry about is the progress women have made in the last hundred years! Wait & See.
3:21 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Susan Perrin, could you be more specific. Just what is his attitude toward women? A women on the Luntz forum last night said she wouldn't vote for the governor because he wants to keep woman in the house. I guess you and her must have been watching a different debate. When Romney was governor he searched for women to be part of his administration and his Lt. Governor was a women. The president has so much respect for women that he supports regimes that give women no identity and who follow Sharia law.
Robert Bruce
10:55 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Obama has a lot of words but says nothing
Robert Eisenhower
11:06 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
After this debate, I have made a decision to donate money to the Obama campaign and to volunteer to help get people to the polls. I do not know what Romney believes in. He is basically a used car salesman who can change his mind any minute depending on what will benefit HIM, not the country. Why is it that none of his sons is in the military? Why is most of his money hidden overseas? Is it because he loves America too much? This guy does not give a damn about America. He just wants money and power for himself. Period. Obama on the other hand believes in helping the little guy and I respect him for that even if I don't agree with his methods. At least I know what he believes in. Mitt Romney probably does not know what Mitt Romney believes in......besides his own self interest!
Fiscal Conservative
11:27 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Please do not make a donation, as I once did for a candidate. Once they have your name, they keep asking for more & more & more. The asking never stops. Also, unless you're wealthy, the candidate won't do anytrhing for your interests. They are ALL beholding to BIG BUCKS Special Interests....doesn't make a difference which party. Both the R's & D's are owned by the Specials. This is more truth than politicians know. Please, don't waste any of your hard earned $$$ on any person in politics. Donate it to a charity, of your choice, instead It will be $$$ much better spent. You'll feel better for doing so.
Darren Major
7:32 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Next week, Obama will win the foreign policy debate and here's why...
As is the case with all things Romney, there is no "there" there. But if you look at R-Money's foreign policy advisers and their whining, you realize that we are going back to failure of the Bush administration. Oh and Russia is the enemy, not Al-Queda....DUH! It's 2012 not 1985....idiots.Remember , it was Mittens who said he wouldn't "move heaven and earth" to get Bin Laden, just like Bush's failure Guys like Bush and Romney believe that the right response to terror is massive expensive WAR, rather than quick strikes, drones or law enforcement. R-Money hired the same old Bush retreads who supported Iraq. R-Money was a cheerleader for Bush's failed ideas. All it did was make us less safe an getting our troops killed. Obama has been a return to careful foreign policy. We lead the world and kill our enemies. PERIOD. Wwe can't go back TO STUPID by electing R-Money
Chriss Markey
11:06 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Romney won. Score: R = 75, O = 25
Btw, that moderator was terrible. Terrible.
Chriss Markey
11:17 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Regarding that awful moderator:
.. first presidential debate, Jim Lehrer, interrupted Mitt Romney 15 times and Barack Obama only five. ... Crowley interrupted Obama nine times, (four were when he went over his time limit - which he did all night long). ... Crowley interrupted Romney 28 times. 28 times. http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/17/Crowley-interrupts-28-times-Romney
Chriss Markey
11:23 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Kennedy Kountry Klass .... However, the major networks have remained completely silent on the disturbing trend of Obama supporters threatening to resort to violence if their candidate fails to secure a second term.
… Obama supporters voice desire to kill Romney over fears food stamps will be taken away … media outlets attempt to downplay the issue, Twitter exploded last night following the debate with new threats from Obama supporters to assassinate Mitt Romney if he defeats Obama in the presidential race. Reported yesterday, in addition to threats by Obama supporters to riot if Romney wins, innumerable Twitter users are also making direct death threats against Romney.
If the tables were turned and conservatives were making death threats against Obama in these numbers, it would be a national news story. Indeed, the mere act of hanging empty chairs from trees as a reference to Clint Eastwood's RNC speech was hyped by the media as a deadly sign that conservatives were out to lynch black people if Obama won
11:23 am on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I was hoping to hear about Mitt's 5 point plan. All I keep hearing about is his 5 point plan. How about some details? Also why are people like the Koch Brothers and the owner of Westgate Resorts allowed to tell their employees if Obama gets in again, they will lose their jobs? Where is this information in the media? Google both of them and you will find several articles stating this as fact.
deb of see-attleboro
12:41 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
FINALLY!! The REAL Obama!
IMO, the unlikeable, elitist college professor turned president came back to life last night. That was the guy I dreaded becoming POTUS. After four years of this regime, it is easy to see why Congress can't work with him.
Do we the people deserve four more years of a dysfunctional Washington?
2:48 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Looks like we're going to get four more years anyway. Between the ignorant people (who can't see thru this PHONEY), the millions of illegals, freeloaders & con-artists who will blindly follow (like the pied-piper) & vote for him because of all the free-bees (entitlements) they receive. Combine this with a corrupt & bias media - - - How can he loose? After the election look for a long vacation in Hawaii on Air-Force 1 with his entourage followed by apperances on all the talk shows. What the heck, we can afford it, just put it on our tab. We can tax those darn RICH PEOPLE more or borrow some more from China.
Darren Major
7:35 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
All you care about is not voting for dems - you have said it yourself - you have little value in this election and your posts prove it - FACTS aren't guiding you so who cares.
12:45 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
For me this election is also about the character of the man who will be leading our country for the next four years, and it is Governor Romney, hands down. The president showed more emotion and empathy for his fallen friends when he chastised the governor for his remarks regarding President Obama's handling of Libya then he did in the Rose Garden shortly after the terrorist attack. The only time the president shows any empathy or emotion is when it benefits him politically. His display of sadness and anger were designed to blunt the facts of the Libyan issue and make Romney appear to be the person with no feelings or conscience... people are not that shallow, Mr. President
deb of see-attleboro
1:08 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I also noted Obama's feigned indignation.
Did you catch his attempt at chivalry regarding the ladies of his administration?
Ken B.
1:01 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Since we have 23,000,000 unemployed, why isn't a moratorium on LEGAL immigration on the table ? Stop the nonsense about stapling a green card to diplomas, and deport the illegals. let's get our own house in order first.
Avon Barksdale
3:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
I was very impressed with Obama's handling of the post-earthquake cleanup, none of that FEMA-blundering we saw from Bush. Four more years indeed.
3:15 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Give me a break, OBAMA won!!!! And he did it by illuminating the LIES that Romney keeps spewing. How the hell is Romney going to pay for his tax cut?? By making the middle class pay for it or raising the deficit, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO DO WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT!!! Face it, he is the biggest liar there is. He has been running for president for 8 years for chrissakes and even republicans don't like him, no one does. Obama was handed this country after Bush ran it into the ground on his way out the door, I am so proud of what he did to keep to help this country after the republican criminals left office. How come no one ever talks about the billions wasted on the Iraq war we should have never been involved with? Is that convenient memory? Obama will win this election, so all you Massachusetts republicans please waste your vote on Mr Romney and watch your vote mean NOTHING!! Obama wins Massachusetts by 30 points, so keep dreaming or please I urge you all to move to Georgia lmao!!!
Emcee of Seekonk
3:36 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"How the hell is Romney going to pay for his tax cut??"
Let me guess... the same way Obama is going to pay for it? He says he gave cuts all around.
"By making the middle class pay for it or raising the deficit,..."
There ya go. And wait until the bill comes due for Obamacare. Even if BO raises taxes on the 1%, which includes scores of Democrats, it will not be enough to cover the trillion $ deficit, he has. He's been running deficits of a trillion $ a year... borrowing from China to do it. If he confiscated all the wealth from the rich, he could not raise enough money to cover these deficits. He needs a new plan.
"...even republicans don't like him, no one does."
Somebody likes Romney because he's ahead in the polls big time. Why do you think the Democrats are scrambling like nervous cats? Sending busloads of folks from out-of-state to Massachusetts to hold up anti-Romney signs. There are more Independant voters than Republicans and Democrats combined in Massachusetts. They must be the 38% or so who are supporting Romney.
Obama will win Massachusetts by about 20 points if he's lucky... but one point is enough.
And Obama was not handed this country, he was elected for four years.
3:35 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
"Face it, he is the biggest liar there is. He has been running for president for 8 years for chrissakes and even republicans don't like him, no one does. "
Gee, the polls disagree with your assessment. :-)
R. Hood
4:04 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Another flatulent rumswab with the IQ of Jethro Clampett. Maybe you can get together with BO do some ciphering and try an keep the deficit from hitting 25 Trillion! Two years of championing hope and change, three years of absolutely nothing (even though the first two years were with a Democratic Congress) except blaming the prevoius Administration, and this last year has been "How Can I Keep the Charade Moving Forward". He only needs to promise 50 million of something to buy votes with! The icing on his "Please go away and leave us the frig alone" cake will have a map of Libya. He bungled that thing up from the beginning. He looked straight in to the camera last night and LIED right to YOUR face. So much for thinking he could fluff it off until after the election. Not so fast me (un)friend!
4:11 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
You mean you were impressed with Obama's stumbling? He couldn't get a clear thought out of his mouth. Benghazzi is taking him down. And well deserved. Even all the CNN polls after the debate favored Romney on all issues. CNN for God sakes!
6:29 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
Seems like many listen to FAUX news to get their "facts". Mitt Romney uses gish gallop tactics to debate his opponent. It worked the first time but President Obama did not let him get away with his incessant lying the second time. The President won this debate. President Obama walked into the White house in the midst of an economic crisis and we were headed for a depression. (The Bush wars, tax cuts and deregulations turned a surplus into a $1 trillion deficit.) President Obama took decisive action to prevent the economic catastrophe. The stock market has doubled, regulations were put in place, auto industry was saved, jobs have been added every month of his presidency, unemployment is declining etc. President Obama is the first to say that there is much more work to do. The last thing we want to do is bring back the policies of the Bush era that got us into this mess in the first place - that is exactly what a vote for Romney will do. To say we need a businessman in the White House is naive. He has been very successful in creating low paying jobs and sending the jobs to low wage countries to maximize profits for himself. His goal is to privatize everything and maximize profits for himself and his cronies. Mitt Romney was severely conservative during the republican primaries to shore up the right wing base now he is trying to flip flop to a more moderate candidate, What does he stand for - who knows? The country is moving in the right direction. OBAMA12!
8:30 pm on Wednesday, October 17, 2012
" The Bush wars, tax cuts and deregulations turned a surplus into a $1 trillion deficit. President Obama took decisive action to prevent the economic catastrophe."
Liz, the debt has increased in 4 years by 5.4 trillion and what do we have to show for it, failed energy companies by the billions, almost double gas and oil prices, increase in health insurance costs. Do you know what, we the people, have gained from the 5.4 trillion debt increase by this administration? My family has not been helped in any aspect of our lives, financially or otherwise and the country is more divided then ever with the constant class warfare precipitated by this president. The truth is that our country at the end of another 4 years with this president will change America forever and not for the good of the people.
7:50 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Well I guess in the Republican world - voting for the guy who represents their party no matter how severely flawed is the answer to all of our problems. In my opinion going back to the Bush era policies that got us into this mess in the first place is wrong for the USA. I am an Independent voter and vote for the person who I think will do the best job for our country. The choice is clear for me. Mitt Romney represents the past - outdated policies related to woman, continued tax breaks for the wealthy, outsourcing jobs. President Obama represents the future - equal rights for all citizens, let the tax breaks for those making over $250k expire (we need revenue), incentives for companies to bring jobs back to this country, focus on improving education at all levels. The list goes on. President Obama is an honest decent American and he has worked hard for us. He deserves 4 more years to finish the job he has started. He is is moving us in the right direction. The hateful propaganda that the right wing spews about class warfare and other very unpatriotic words are simply not true. Turn off FAUX news.
8:36 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The 'Budget' deficit increased every year under bush. Went from a budget surplus to over a trillion dollars over budget per year. The budget leads to the overall deficit. When Obama came into office the 'Budget' deficit was over a trillion per year. It has decreased under Obama and is now under a trillion per year. If we elect Romney he is promising to going back to this type of budget gap with his tax plan and defense spending increases that are not paid for. He cannot explain how to pay for it. He trowing out figures of caping deduction 17k? 35k? whatever, of course the numbers add up. Right.
1:06 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I'm sorry, but how can you vote for someone who has such little regard for others. Romney's policies towards women are simply insulting to the entire female gender (and I'm a guy). Really, women in binders? Also, the fact that Romney favors families with two parents or guardians is just arrogant. I was the child of a single mother, but I don't feel at a disadvantage at all. I was an undecided voter, but after the last few weeks, I can only imagine voting for Obama.
On a side note, the name calling and radical claims on both sides is getting a little ridiculous. Obama is not a socialist, and Romney is not Satan. The KKK isn't running, and neither are valueless racists. I assume that we're all old enough to vote, so perhaps we should act like it. Just because someone else has differing political opinions does not necessarily make them some moronic anti-government citizen. Let's ease up on the rude comments;they really don't make you sound intellectual or informed.
deb of see-attleboro
5:56 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Big surprise. A guy who wants women to have access to free birth control and abortion on demand. How chivalrous!
D. B. Cooper
4:27 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Sweetheart, put your country FIRST that's why you should vote for Romney. B. Huissien Obama is bankrupting your country. What, you don't feel that's important?
7:13 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
This country was bankrupt 4yrs ago, we just printed more money and borrowed from China. Our whole government system is bankrupting us. TSA, NSA, FCC, NASA, USPS the list is long and they are all hemorrhaging our tax money. Dude, it's not one man. Is Romney going to send Washington D.C. to China?
Alison Light
8:25 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
you know what? Economies come and go but when you give up on rights for women you will never get it back. The economy is coming back and if you are an investor (as Romney is) it has come back better than ever! Obama is not a socialist, I don't care what his father read or didn't read. And by the way, Romney wants women to have access to birth control but he isn't going to make the insurance company cover it...so guess what, no birth control!
Steve C
8:35 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
DB, President Obama isn't the reason this country is broke, that responsibility falls on all of us. He just isn't the answer.
Alison, Why should the Federal Government pay for birth control? That is an individual responsibility. I have no desire for my tax dollars to go towards an individuals choice. I do believe there are medical reasons that would override this, of course, and in those cases it should be a covered cost.
I also don't want to pay for Big Bird, the Arts, or any other Grant program through the Federal Government. This should be the responsibility of each state. Think about where MA stands in the scheme of employment incomes. We pay out more than we receive from the Fed. Lets decrease Federal involvement and allow the States to handle non essential issues. This would decrease oversight and put a larger portion of each dollar back where it belongs. Our Federal Gov. is to big to survive. Our cost to run this country our out of control.
deb of see-attleboro
8:44 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
By now, birth control (the pill) should be available without prescription.
Steve C
7:56 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Why is Mitt Romney's success such an issue? I for one would like to see a successful business man, as opposed to another attorney, running this country. The moderator cutting Romney off 29 times, and Obama only 8 times, was a disgrace to the handling of the debate.
I certainly do not blame President Obama for the current financial state of this country, that falls on congressional oversight, but I also do not think he is the answer. We need change, we need a business man, we need someone that can make tough decisions without worrying about their image of popularity.
8:05 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Well I do believe Romney was interrupted so many times because he was being rude and disrespectful and tried to bully his way through the debate without actually answering any questions. How does he feel about equal pay for woman? Taxes? The math doesn't add up - are we supposed to trust him? President Obama tried to respect the rules. No one disputes that Romney is a successful businessman. He made a fortune outsourcing jobs to low wage countries - good for him - bad for America. He changes his position on every issue depending on the audience he is facing. Grover Norquist who apparently leads the GOP said all they need is a guy with a pen who can sign their agenda. Guess they found him in Romney.
Steve C
8:26 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The audience he is facing is called America and I am ok with him changing his answers to conform with the majority. He is one of the few members of the Republican party, or either party for that matter, that has any proven success working on a bipartisan basis. He may not have been the most popular person here in MA but look at where this state stands in comparison to the rest of the country. We are not bankrupt, we have statewide healthcare, our economy is strong (based on comparison), our unemployment rate is reasonable, and more importantly our underemployed rate remains low.
President Obama has done the best job he could for 4 years and it isn't enough. He spends to much money, that this country doesn't have, and he has not created sustainable jobs. He has created a system that lowers the unemployment rate with projects and programs that are not sustainable. His track record at a short term fix it man is clear. We do need jobs today but we also need jobs tomorrow. What are those that are temporarily employed, or underemployed, going to do when these programs run out. His bail out plan is not sustainable and will bankrupt this country. His socialist approach to healthcare will create massive layoffs throughout the small business sector. Just wait until January when the full effect of Obamacare arrives. I wonder why they scheduled that for after election day?
Emcee of Seekonk
8:38 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
@Alison... How much do generic birth control pills cost? $3 a month at K-Mart? What responsible young woman who wants to be sexually active would not spent $3 a month to protect herself from the gruesome horrors of an abortion? Frankly, I think all forms of contraception should be free as well as the initial doctor's visit for women to see if they can tolerate the extra shot of hormones.
Romney is in no way against contraception. Private insurances have always paid for the prescriptions in my experience.
8:42 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Who is the smallest government spender since Eisenhower -
Stoughton Fan
2:51 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
In 1960, Eisenhower's last year in office, total revenues were $92.2 billion with a $300 million surplus. Last year Obama's defecit was over $1 trillion Dollars. even allowing for present value, how is Obama spending less?
10:49 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Well hmmm he inherited a deficit from Bush who created it with unfunded wars, tax cuts and deregulation. http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/adding-to-the-deficit-bush-vs-obama/2012/01/31/gIQAQ0kFgQ_graphic.html
Stoughton Fan
3:00 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Well of course Liz, blame Bush and change the subject as soon as soon as your argument falls apart. What a shock! BTW Bush went to congress to get approval for both the actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both houses voted their approval overwhelmingly by both parties. As for tax cuts, the U.S. had the highest revenues in history in 2007 well after the Bush tax cuts. "We don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem".
Steve C
8:48 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Emcee, Your use of the word "Free" is way off basis and is precisely the problem with the healthcare argument. Nothing is free. Someone has to pay for it, you, me, business owners. Lets be clear on what you are saying is that you want the cost covered by insurance, not that it would be free, and that you want this cost distributed to everyone to cover.
I am a homeowner, a father, and a business owner. I have no desire to be mandated to pay for something that is a choice. Once an individual turns 18 they have the legal right to choose, and to vote. Let them choose to pay their own way. Let them choose to get a job, an education, and to be productive member of society.
Emcee of Seekonk
9:15 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Considering the way our tax dollars are squandered, giving away contraception services to all who need it would be money well spent. I know it would not be 'free'. My experience has been that birth-control prescriptions are covered by health insurance. Someone paid for the insurance, of course.
You say: "I have no desire to be mandated to pay for something that is a choice."
Technically, all health matters are a choice. For example, I choose to monitor and buy and take blood-pressure meds or else I will be in all kinds of trouble. Naturally, I don't expect you to pay for it, but you do if you contribute to the health insurance pool.
God bless the 18-year olds. I love them, or at least most of them. We hand them the vote, but very few, if any, are able to live without subsidy from their parents or the good will of taxpayers. Remember that the unemployment rate among people this age is very, very high.
Unless, of course, everything you say is tongue-in-cheek.
Emcee of Seekonk
8:53 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
@paul... "Is Romney going to send Washington D.C. to China?"
Well, what is the Obama plan? More of the same hemorrhaging?
I agree with you that no one man is going to turn this thing around, but let's at least try a new tack, stop the bleeding, give the thing a 30-degree turn. We have nothing to lose and all to gain by trying new ideas. We know what fails... we've seen it and frankly I don't want to see my food bill and heating bill and transportation bill and my tax bills (property and otherwise) go up any further. I can't take anymore of Obamaeconomics !!! I don't care if Romney makes me pay for my birth-control pills, or worked for Bain Capital ten years ago, or will stop subsidizing Big Bird, I want to eat and be warm this winter.
8:57 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
You will be warm and have food, Obama will not let you freeze or starve.
Steve C
8:59 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I wish someone stood up and asked the candidates point blank "how much is a gallon of milk?" I wonder if either could answer.
deb of see-attleboro
9:21 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Has anyone noticed the price of a gallon of apple cider this year? Or the 4 lb bag of sugar? Or the introduction of canned goods that are smaller? Watch closely those unit prices!
Wendy Wagner
9:53 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The grocery shrink ray has been going on for a while.
Also, I think you're conveniently forgetting that the cost of food was rising in 2008 as a result of the financial crisis caused by Bush and his policies.
Emcee of Seekonk
9:54 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"Watch closely those unit prices!"
Indeed !! All packaged goods: pasta, cereal, even soap are smaller than they were before, and many cost more.
Ten-for-a-dollar, that's what I go for, and no shopping around because that adds another $5 or $10 for gasoline to the price of the food. Life is sure sweet with Obama.
Romney 2012
deb of see-attleboro
10:37 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wendy: I was simply making an observation. The flip side of the coin is that incomes are shrinking right along side those tinier packages. And get a load of our larger waistlines! Not a pretty picture.
I have no idea which candidate is more likely to set the stage for a reversal in these trends. Or if it is even possible. I just have no confidence in Obama or the extreme politics of the progressive left.
Wendy Wagner
11:00 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"I just have no confidence in Obama or the extreme politics of the progressive left."
That's a shame because under Clinton and the same politics (which I don't think are really "progressive," but you can't really argue with people who insist Obama is a socialist), the country was doing pretty well. Higher taxes on the rich *do* correlate with a stronger economy, much as the rich and the people they've brainwashed through their media outlets hate to admit it.
Paul Lasiewski
9:25 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Why is the black guy expected to fix in four years the mess the white guy created in eight years??
D. B. Cooper
11:58 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Dude, Bush had 7 great yrs, if you owned a house in 2000 and sold in 2008 you made a fortune. The "mess" was not tech, not energy, not drugs, not auto, not utilities, not communications, ect ect ect. It was just 2 sectors, banking and housing. That's it, thank you Barney Frank. You give ANYONE a mortgage and guess what happens, you write 2 TRILLION in bad paper, guess what happens? If you come over like an expert, at least try and understand what the problem and the cause of it was.
Also Ron R had us up and running in 2 yrs, B. Huissen Obama is 4 yrs in and can't run a popsicle stand. I don't know for the life of me why people don't look at this with an open mind and just see he is way, way, way, way, way in over his head. Do what's right for the country and don't be a ZEALOT who just votes for a single party because they give you more free stuff. EVERY PERSON IN AMERICA SHOULD READ THIS!!!!
6:16 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
You mean the white guys?! Let's not forget that Glass Steagall was repealed under Clinton. The repeal ignited the banking/financial crisis. Let's stop blaming Bush.
9:26 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"No one disputes that Romney is a successful businessman. He made a fortune outsourcing jobs to low wage countries - good for him - bad for America."
Liz, sometimes talking points get in the way of facts. Romney did not outsource jobs when he was CEO of Bain Capitol. Were you aware that Jeffrey Immelt, chief executive of GE and the head of Barack Obama's "Jobs Council" in 2011 started moving GE infrastructure to China and laid off 105,000 workers in the US. Why would the president choose a CEO of one of the largest companies, if not the largest, to head his Job's Council when Immelt is outsourcing infrastructure and jobs oversees?
In regards to the president" representing the future with equal rights" to all, the Constitution gives all citizens equal rights and opportunities, they have not been bestowed upon us by this president. :-(
Wendy Wagner
9:56 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Of course Romney did not outsource jobs as CEO of Bain. He kept all his employees, who were friends and relatives of friends, safely employed in the US. What he did was to invest in firms that did outsource jobs. He made money off of that. It was part of his management strategy to tell firms, "Hey, you can increase your profits if you send these jobs to a country where you can pay lower wages."
Fiscal Conservative
2:24 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
If you were the CEO of a publicly held company, your duty is to make as much $$$ for investors as possible, political party be darned. How do you do it? In the 90's the DEMOCRATIC controlled Congress approved NAFTA. This wonderful treaty made it far easier to outsource jobs for corporations, thereby raising profits. I do not blame any CEO for doing what is best for those who invest their hard earned $$$ into their business hoping for high returns (how much you want to bet members of Congress invested in many of these co's?)
Don't blame Romney for being a shrewd businessman, put the blame where it really belongs, if you must. That would be Congress for allowing this mess. To follow the laws that Congress creates, isn't that what we're all supposed to do? If not, I don't understand what is. Maybe it may be wrong in some people's minds, but heck, if you look at it as an investor, I would bet you're thanking Romney for getting you the most return on your $$$. Doesn't make any difference if you're an R or D, you want the biggest return as possible. Stop the phony BS about outsourcing, if you made lots of $$$ on your investment in Romney's Co's, you should thank him for making the right choices FOR YOU. If there is anyone to blame, its CONGRESS. Bet they DON'T have the you-know-what to recind this treaty to make it harder to outsource jobs. Why? They're making good $$$ on THEIR investments. Nuf said that IS true.
Stoughton Fan
3:42 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Wendy Wagner, please tell us which companies Bain Capital acquired and directed to move jobs offshore? Please site your sources and BTW, Mother Jones does not count! Please also make sure that the companies you site, doing what you accuse them of doing, was during the period of time Romney was at the helm.
As an aside; Here, here "Kaydid", "AML" and "DB Cooper". Thanks for being factual and speaking truth to power.
Wendy Wagner
10:35 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Stoughton Fan, Bain's own website cites outsourcing as part of its business plans:
"A technology company that had experienced massive revenue and share loss in the previous 3 years sought Bain's help implementing a transformation program with a stringent sourcing strategy. Bain evaluated outsourcing options for business processes and IT and made recommendations that achieved $85 million in cost savings for the company."
Stoughton Fan
3:21 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Wendy, I see you decided to ignore this part of my reply to distract from the real story: "Please also make sure that the companies you site, doing what you accuse them of doing, was during the period of time Romney was at the helm.
So let's say Romney left Bain in 2002 (he actually left in 1999 to run the Olympics – for free by the way). You site the company's website referring to the last three years. Doing the math, you are off by a range of 10 to 13 years.
Of course you will not acknowledge the thousands of jobs saved by Bain capital when they took over companies on the brink of going out of business. Nor will you acknowledge the 100,000's of thousands of jobs created by those now successful companies. And yes some of those companies failed. But the success rate was over 85%.
Stoughton Fan
4:20 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
WW, I see you decided to ignore this part of my reply to distort the real story: "Please also make sure that the companies you site, doing what you accuse them of doing, was during the period of time Romney was at the helm.
So let's say Romney left Bain in 2002 (he actually left in 1999 to run the Olympics – for free by the way). You site the company's website referring to the last three years. Doing the math, you are off by a range of 10 to 13 years.
Of course you will not acknowledge the thousands of jobs saved, here in the U.S. by Bain Capital when they took over companies on the brink of going out of business. Nor will you acknowledge the nearly 100,000 jobs created here in the U.S by those now successful companies. And yes some of those companies failed but the overall success rate was over 85%.
2:47 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Hey Fiscal, about that "Democratically controlled government that passed NAFTA": With much consideration and emotional discussion, the House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, 234-200. The agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and 102 Democrats. NAFTA passed the Senate 61-38. Senate supporters were 34 Republicans and 27 Democrats. Clinton signed it into law on December 8, 1993; it went into effect on January 1, 1994.
Emcee of Seekonk
9:47 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
@paul... "...Obama will not let you freeze or starve."
Sez who? He hasn't cared yet.
deb of see-attleboro
10:24 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The Obama agenda is to create jobs for all his friends in academia. That is where his allegiance lies. The government schools provide a captive audience.
His education agenda is to be sure that every graduating high school senior is capable of doing one of two things. Joining the military or going on to higher education. The immediate choice for most middle class kids today is to be saddled with debt or risk being a casualty of war.
If I had children in high school today, I think I would encourage them to wait it out. Maybe take a couple of courses and work a part time job. What's the rush?
The game is rigged.
Emcee of Seekonk
5:00 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
@paul... "Go pick up a free phone and call someone that does care."
Grouch !!
Gretchen Robinson
11:37 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Emcee, I go away for a day and you guys get even more extreme than usual. Your comment is pure Tea Party nonsense. Tea Party needs to be called Pity Party for their self-pity and self-centeredness. And anyone who challenges your self-pity is a 'grouch.' I liked Paul's quote above. It points out how self-centered and and self-indulgent the idle rich like Ann/Mitt Romney are.
Steve C
10:12 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wendy, so what you are saying is that Romney did what was best for the company he was running? Good for him. As President he will be empowered to do what is best for the country he is running.
Paul L. race has no bearing on this discussion.
Emcee I am a straight shooter. I have 2 young sons, 10 nieces and nephews under the age of 25 and many still in school. I do not feel that paying for college level education is the responsibility of the Fed or a birth right. Your family should handle this and plan for it. It is possible for every family to send their children to college providing they are planning for it at birth.
Lets be clear about the "caring factor" neither of them really care. They care about their legacy not about us as individuals. Katydid is spot on with her comment. "In regards to the president" representing the future with equal rights" to all, the Constitution gives all citizens equal rights and opportunities, they have not been bestowed upon us by this president."
Wendy Wagner
10:28 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"so what you are saying is that Romney did what was best for the company he was running? Good for him. As President he will be empowered to do what is best for the country he is running."
Do you really think he will tell businesses not to outsource jobs because not outsourcing is what's best for the country?
Or do you think that outsourcing is what's best for the country?
Steve C
10:36 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wendy, I am not qualified to answer that question but will say this. I do think that outsourcing on some level is not only acceptable but a necessity. This is a global economy and just like MA is part the USA the USA is part of the World as a whole. If outsourcing creates growth in other countries thus improving the economy of that country and creating more of a global middle class then Yes I think we should outsource on some level.
10:38 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Do we know who financed the "protest" in Attleboro? The one with mispelled signs? No time to look for jobs though :)
deb of see-attleboro
10:49 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wendy: There is also the theory that Obama believes the United States as a whole is the 1% and his priority is to make sure our wealth is globally redistributed. Maybe that's why he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for doing ZERO.
I think the awarding of the prize to the EU is more evidence of a global agenda that could care less about the plight of middle class Americans.
Gretchen Robinson
11:38 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
is there any point to putting out theory? There are lots of theories out there and most of them are scurrilous propaganda.
Emcee of Seekonk
10:57 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
The cost of food and housing and utilities and taxes has been rising ever since I have been the one paying the bills. Incomes have risen also so it's been somewhat of a washout. However, in the past four years, costs have exploded. Gasoline and heating fuel in 2008 was a buck and a half, give or take. Now it's $3.50 give or take. Price for an apple might have been 25 cents, today it's 75 cents.
You can tap dance around the issues forever and blame Romney for whatever is the blame-du-jour, the reality is we cannot afford another four years of Obama. Obama is literally killing the middle class as well as destroying our society. Crime is up... I've never heard of as many bank robberies and shop lifting and murders over nothing, as has been going on. Everything is eroding.
Romney is a wealthy man and has choices. He doesn't need to take on this thankless job of president. He has nothing to gain by it except perhaps the satisfaction of making/restoring the U.S. to a better place to live in for his grandchildren and everyone elses.
11:18 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wendy, there is no one who has outsourced more jobs than our president. Even the head of his "Jobs Council" has moved more jobs from this country than he created. Immelt cancelled an order to Wind Turbine in order to get cheaper parts from China, cutting jobs to that company.
2.4 billion battery production mostly going to foreign firms
8.5 billion to wind farms oversees loss of 10,0000 jobs
880 million tax credits clean energy foreign firms
2.7 billion loan guarantee to Spanish Co. Abenoga
337 million to Arizona solar plant in which the panels were supplied by a Chinese manufacturing company.
President Obama has done little with taxpayers money to create jobs for Americans. The above mentioned stimulus is just the tip of the iceberg. Today the jobless claims surged to 388,000. You can believe that the economy is improving but until the coorate tax rate is lowered and regulations are decreased for companies, encouraging businesses to hire, as Romney advocates, jobs will continue to be sent oversees and we will continue on a downward spiral of further loss of jobs...truth not talking points.
Wendy Wagner
1:31 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
" until the coorate tax rate is lowered and regulations are decreased for companies, encouraging businesses to hire"
Lowering corporate tax rates will not encourage businesses to hire. Increasing DEMAND will. If there is demand for products/services, businesses will hire, screw the regulations. If we give money to the big corporations by cutting their taxes, they can hire all the people they want, but if no one buys the product/service,
And let's look at it this way:
Say a rich guy is so rich and buys a house with 10 bathrooms. Does that have the same effect as 10 people buying houses with 1 bathroom each? No. You migh think to yourself, "Well, 10 toilets have been purchased in both cases, so what's the big deal?" Well, 10 people using 10 toilets creates more of a stimulus on the economy than 1 person using 10 toilets.
Paul Lasiewski
11:38 am on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"Romney is a wealthy man and has choices. He doesn't need to take on this thankless job of president. He has nothing to gain by it except perhaps the satisfaction of making/restoring the U.S. to a better place to live in for his grandchildren and everyone elses". Romney has one goal and one goal only, to add "President of the United States" to his resume. BTW, you seem to be blaming Obama for the increase in the cost of food, etc. Why aren't you blaming him for the increase in the population of the country also. BTW, the only jobs a President can create are government jobs. They can't create jobs in the private sector, They can, however, improve the
economic environment. But that doesn't mean companies have to hire. So for either to say they will create 12 million new jobs it seems that the draft will be reinstated.
Wendy Wagner
1:27 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"Romney has one goal and one goal only, to add "President of the United States" to his resume."
Let me rephrase: to become the first *Mormon" president of the US. It's not that I don't think that is a noble goal, but I don't think we should look at Romney as having only the most noble intentions. He gets something out of this.
Emcee of Seekonk
5:03 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Being the first Mormon president is not something I'd give up my vacations for, but maybe he wants to get his name in history books... he's such a public-type fellow.
Gretchen Robinson
11:40 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Salt Lake City's main paper and several others in the Southwest endorsed Obama saying that Romney is "unworthy" to be president. Just so.
D. B. Cooper
2:26 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Hey WW, I lived in MA all my life and NEVER heard Mitt play the race/Mormon/class warfare card. Where did you come up with this crap, Kos, moveon, or what hate site?
Just in on Drudge: Gallop poll R 52% - O 45%
Looks like the beginning of the end for our accidental Pres. The least qualified president in history B. Huissien Obama.
PS to Wendy of Attl- you may want to check out these 3 shortest books on Amazon.com. they are.
"Things I accomplished to win the Noble Peace Prize", by B. Huissuen Obama
"Black women I have dated", by Tiger Woods.
"Successfull diets by", by Michael Moore
Wendy Wagner
2:46 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"Just in on Drudge: Gallop poll R 52% - O 45% "
Gallup also has unemployment down to 7.3%.
Hmmmm. Can you buy one without the other?
2:52 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
All I can say is to all you Obama haters here, TUFF!!! Move to Georgia where you'll feel comfortable among your own fox brainwashed kind. This is OBAMA country and we outnumber you by more than 5-1. Take your half baked unsupported ridiculous tea party policies and ideas down south with you too. Obama won the debate, he will win the next one Monday too, he will win the election, and then you can all cry me a river. Obama is right in what he wants to do with this country and our direction and to deny that is simply just silly. Doing what republicans want to do with our country is what led us to where we are now. Yea more tax cuts for the rich who don't create any jobs, and oil companies who made record profits and continue to do so. How about investing some of that money into education, basically investing in ourselves and our and our childrens future. I am so sick of hearing about the deficit, face it we will always have one whether it's ten dollars or a trillion dollars. The only time we didn't was under a democrat named Clinton, certainly not a republican that's for sure.
Paul Lasiewski
3:01 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
When I mention the black/white I was referring to Congress, Republicans who, on Obama's first day in office vowed and made a pact to veto everything Obama offered, to make him a one term president and to basically run him out of town. These same individuals now say "look he didn't do anything". I agree with Kevin.
Richard W. Lunt
7:35 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Tax increases for the rich, middle class and working poor as well as too much business regulations and taxing business in addition to Obamacare will destroy any chances of real private sector job growth with good paying jobs. Obama's policies are tax, tax, and spend it on the freeloaders and the illegals. Obama's policies are bad for America
Avon Barksdale
3:50 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wait, I thought I read here that the Brown/Coakley election proved that all polls were rigged by Democrats and the liberal media, and nobody should ever listen to them?
Janet Sroczynski
4:44 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
And what about HR-4646...status, 1% tax on bank transactions. Google a search.
Wendy Wagner
5:24 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
I did. Is this what you mean? http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/debtfree.asp
Avon Barksdale
5:42 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Wait, something forwarded to me by my father-in-law that he received from a friend who found it on the internets is FALSE? This country has clearly gone to hell under Obama if such shenanigans can go unpunished.
4:48 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Kevin feel free to live in the middle east with your hero
Susan Perrin
5:38 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Dan Devine....I'm gullible?....let's see what happens if Romney is voted in...you think it's bad now! Katydid...I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. Equal pay for women and control over our healthcare. Considering Republicans are so against government control it's kind of hypocritical. ANY sane intelligent woman would never vote for Romney!
6:28 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Let's see what you got....What makes you think Romney is so against women?
R. Hood
5:47 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Everybody should check this out.
<http://youtu.be/3h8O7V-WxWQ> http://youtu.be/3h8O7V-WxWQ
Ken B.
6:08 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Paul L, Obama had a majority house & senate 1st two years in office.....republicans couldn't "veto" anything
Janet Sroczynski
6:15 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
@Wendy Wagner - I had already checked those websites for it.
With the healthcare bill and the 21 news taxes that go with it, and the 16,000+ IRS tax agents to be hired to "police" the new 21 taxes/healthcare related, there were many little *surprises* tucked into that Obamacare/Pelosi-healthcare bill....so called Affordable Care Act.
With the continued rumor(s) on the HR-4646, and whether or not it really does exist....if you or anyone else finds something more credible, then feel free to post it and let some of us Patchies read through it. Appreciate it.
Wendy Wagner
9:25 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Snopes says HR-4646 exists. It's just the pet project of a single Congressperson and has absolutely no support and no chance of ever being passed. Did you even read the Snopes piece?
7:27 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"Romney is voted in...you think it's bad now! Katydid...I think you know exactly what I'm talking about. Equal pay for women and control over our healthcare."
Susan, in 2009 the White House women made $.89 for every dollar a man made. In 2011 in the Report of White House Salaries submitted to Congress, there is a $11,000 difference between the female employe salary and the male. The median salary for woman was $60,000 and male $70,000. Why doesn't the White House support the Lilly Ledbetter Law which the president was proud to sign.. Further, what women is not in charge of her health care? It was proposed in the health care bill that mammogram screenings were not necessary every year and not before age 40...concern for women's health and equal pay, I think not.
Wendy Wagner
9:00 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
"In 2011 in the Report of White House Salaries submitted to Congress, there is a $11,000 difference between the female employe salary and the male. The median salary for woman was $60,000 and male $70,000. Why doesn't the White House support the Lilly Ledbetter Law which the president was proud to sign."
You don't really understand the law or the issue. The problem that the Lilly Ledbetter act addresses is that women were prevented from suing over pay discrimination by a ridiculous statute of limitations. The larger issue is that men are paid more than women, in too many places in the US, for the *same* work. You can't just average up the men's and women's pay in a workplace. You have to average up the men's and women's pay in the same job.
What pay discrimination legislation can't address is the problem that women traditionally have jobs that are low-paying. We pay a doctor more than we pay a nurse, for example. We pay a CEO more than we do a secretary. That's where affirmative action and "binders full of women" come in, but that's another story....
8:52 pm on Thursday, October 18, 2012
Perhaps these can clear some issues up. Remember, this is a DEMOCRAT and a REPUBLICAN running. Not a socialist and a mormon vigilante. Also, D.B., why do you keep referring to the president as B. Huissuen Obama?Are you trying to portray him as another Saddam Hussein? If you're trying to paint that kind of image based on a name, I don't think you have the right to call yourself an "informed voter." The man's name is Barack Obama. And, if you do want to use his middle name, spell it right. It's Hussein. If you researched anything you might have caught that awhile ago :)
D. B. Cooper
2:07 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Only in America, can we have someone trying to bankrupt the country and the only thing someone can ascertain is how to spell his middle name. Very astute to grab the big picture!!!
9:18 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Clearly people believe what they want to believe. Mitt Romney lies incessantly - some see through the him - some don't. I'll go with the guy who is working hard - despite GOP obstructionist congress - to move this country in the right direction. Just having Limbaugh, Beck, Rove, Norquist, Palin, Bachman and FAUX news on your team should be enough to vote for the other guy but sadly people believe the propaganda they and the teabaggers spew. Obama was taken off guard by Mitt Romney's complete change in his campaign agenda during the first debate. The right wing severely conservative Mitt persona wasn't working so he pivoted to the new Moderate Mitt. When will the real Mitt Romney stand up. President Obama was better prepared to deal with the lies the second time and he won. OBAMA12!
Darren Major
10:55 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Well said Liz - Conservatives have problems with fats - despite proof or information refuting their bubble beliefs...they still stick by those false thoughts - I am confident informed voters will support - Obama, Warren, Kennedy, and Heroux in our area - I think we will hold the senate but wish we can regain the house but its not clear if possible - The President is the right person to keep us moving forward so proud of his efforts!
Just sayin'
1:10 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
@Darren Major, I thought it was the Dems who had problems with fats. And sugar. And how big a bottle of soda we buy.
Yes, I know it was a typo! It just struck me as funny :)
Janet Sroczynski
9:44 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
@Wendy Wagner - Do you think I am going to get my information from Snopes? Do you?
10:27 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
You can accuse anyone of almost anything and hope it is believed but it's the truth and the facts that really count. Saying someone lies "incessantly" are just words, not facts to back up words. :-(
10:52 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Yeah except it is all on video and so easy to prove. Believe what you want to believe.
Darren Major
10:58 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
repeating the same lies over and over don't make them true here and many of the Conservative posters here demonstrate the worst in bubble belief and low-information voter qualities that keep the SE Mass area behind - Voting for Republicans who are big ZERO's for the area and the nation keep things moving backwards unfortunately
Darren Major
11:17 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
Well Another Romney lie bites the dust - ----
WTO hands Obama victory in U.S.-China steel case
The World Trade Organization barred China on Thursday from imposing duties on certain U.S. steel exports, siding with U.S. President Barack Obama in a dispute with Beijing over a type of steel made in two election battleground states. The case involved duties imposed by China on "grain-oriented electrical steel," which is used in the cores of high-efficiency transformers, electric motors and generators. The steel is made by AK Steel Corp of Ohio and ATI Allegheny Ludlum of Pennsylvania.
The President has won every WTO battle so far and this is the most recent win this week!
D. B. Cooper
11:58 am on Friday, October 19, 2012
The biggest lie here or any where was that Barry was ever qualified if the first place to be Pres of my country. ANYONE even the MOONBATS who looks at this with an open mind would realize he's not qualified to run a popsicle stand. Just the facts ma'am.
But I'm not holding my breath for any MOONBAT to look at anything open minded.
Wendy Wagner
2:33 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Why do you have to call people names to make your points? It really doesn't make you look very good.
12:49 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Believe what you want to believe - but I'd say the guy has done a pretty great job! OBAMA12!
Darren Major
12:42 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Well said Liz....and excellent post. Thanks to Fox, there are a huge amount of low-information voters here and one of them has learned to co-opt(and overuse) the word bubble since I pointed out that person lives in a bubble created by misinformation from Fox, newsmax, and all of the silly RW press that has created this strawman of our President where he is a combo socialist, muslim, marxist, communist, bad christian, etc. Misinformation creates this because an informed person knows that one person cannot simulanteously hold all of this ideologies at one time. These ideologies as you know clash but hey, if Sean Hannity or Rush proclaims it, these low-information people eat it up like candy....no matter how wrong it is. The other thing is now facts are put up for debate. If you point out a fact, the low information voter will dispute a fact no matter how much information is presented. This behavior keeps us in a politically unworkable environment when facts are now moved like the proverbial "goalposts". Even R-Money has said they ignore factcheckers.
Darren Major
12:49 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Romnesia......can be helped!
"We've got to name this condition that he's going through," Obama said, referring to Mitt Romney's attempt to undergo a last-minute transformation from a severe conservative to a severe moderate. "I think it's called Romnesia. That's what it's called. I think that's what he's going through."
"Now," he continued, "I'm not a medical doctor, but i do want to go over the symptoms with you—because i want to make sure nobody else catches it."
And what might those symptoms be? Here's one example: "You know if you say if you're for equal pay, but you can't say if you'll sign a bill for equal pay, you might have Romnesia." And: "If you say you think women should have access to contraceptive care, but you support legislation that would let employers deny contraceptive care, you might have Romnesia." And another: "If you say you you'll protect a woman's right to choose, but you stand up in a primary debate and say you'd be delighted to ban abortion in all cases, then you definitely have Romnesia."
But you don't need to worry, said the President. "If you have Romnesia, here's the good news—Obamacare covers preexisting conditions. We can fix you! We can make you well."
Richard W. Lunt
2:50 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Smart voters will vote Republican and conservative in order for real progress to be made. The question is, are we as a country better off now than we were four years ago? For the intelligent voter the answer is no. For the non intelligent liberals who support Obama like sheep the answer is yes, to that my answer for the liberals is step out of that CNN-Obama socialist bubble and vote for real progress with Romney/Ryan
3:07 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Well for one brief moment I was insulted by your comment but then realized insults are a way of life for the Republican base. We cannot go back in time to the Bush era policies that got us into this mess in the first place. This is not your daddy's Republican Party.
Jeff Sitter
12:11 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
And this is not JFK's Democratic Party. Redistribution is a product of the socialist party. Not something I will ever associate with. Wake Up
Richard W. Lunt
3:14 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Wake up from that liberal bubble! Taxing and spending our money on the illegals and the freeloaders with EBT cards who abuse the welfare system is bad economic policy for the U.S. That's Obama's America, not the America that the citizens of this great nation want. The Bush era policies worked and people had jobs, unemployment was low, it was the liberal policies of Reid, Pelosi, and Barack Obama that have gotten us into this mess. Typical non-intelligent liberals always blame Bush and he's been out of office how many years???
Paul Lasiewski
3:27 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Even non-intelligent liberals know the country is better off today than it was four years ago. Seems the "intelligent" Republicans can't see how the stock market rebounded, housing starts are up and the auto industry is doing well once again. Talk about living in a bubble...........GEEZZ
Frank DelVecchio
3:39 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Mr. Lunt,
I work for a small Wall Street firm and remember very vividly how the credit markets ground to a halt in September 2008. As I recall, President Obama took office in January 2009 after being elected in November 2008. So explain to me again how the Bush policies "worked". Then explain to me why Mitt Romney works so hard to disassociate himself from these "successful" policies.
Richard W. Lunt
4:05 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
The credit markets ground to a halt because of people such as Barney Frank and the whole Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac fiasco. Credit markets also ground to a halt because the banks were lending money to people who and are not credit worthy because they had a minimum wage McDonalds salary, this practice had been going on since the Clinton Administration. During President Bush's Term, the unemployment rate was 5.3 percent. Also during Mr. Bush's term his policies pulled us out of the recession of 2001 and because of his policies, the country managed 6 straight years of uninterrupted economic growth and a record 52 straight months of job creation. Can't say the same for President Obama.
Frank DelVecchio
4:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Let's see if I get it straight - the economy is the responsibility of the President, unless, until and when you say it isn't. If GW Bush had nothing to do with the Great Recession, why is Mitt Romney running away from this exemplary record???
Darren Major
4:17 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Salt Lake Paper - ENDORSES OBAMA - That's gotta hurt the ROM-BOT!
In considering which candidate to endorse, The Salt Lake Tribune editorial board had hoped that Romney would exhibit the same talents for organization, pragmatic problem-solving and inspired leadership that he displayed here more than a decade ago. Instead, we have watched him morph into a friend of the far right, then tack toward the center with breathtaking aplomb. Through a pair of presidential debates, Romney's domestic agenda remains bereft of detail and worthy of mistrust.
Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first.
Frank DelVecchio
4:25 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
I can hear it now: Must be non-intelligent liberals who somehow stumbled into publishing Utah's largest newspaper. Probably benefitted from that robust GW Bush economy.
Richard W. Lunt
4:39 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
President Bush's policies pulled us out of the recession of 2001. Romney should point to the fact that the Bush tax cuts worked and provided us with 6 straight years of uninterrupted economic growth and a record 52 straight months of job creation. The Depression which began in 2007 and 2008 had more to do with the mere fact that Mr. Bush had to compromise with the liberal socialists such as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi in order to get anyhting done. Had the Congress and Senate been under Republican control during Bush's full 8 years in office, we'd be talking about low unemployment, a balanced budget, and a surplus. I put the blame of the Great Recession/Depression on the liberal democrats in Congress and the Senate from 2007 until now and in the White House from 2009 and current. Another thing to consider, there hasn't been a budget passed in 4 years of the Obama administration, at least under President Bush, there was.
Frank DelVecchio
4:52 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
So it was a heck of a party while it lasted, let's forget the wicked hangover/alcohol poisoning at the end...because it really wasn't Bush's fault, there are so many other factors, so many others to blame. But EVERYTHING happening now is the President's fault. Socialists!!!C ommunistis!!! Liberals!!!! Ack!!! Ack!!! Ack!!!
Sorry, I just don't follow. I guess I must be as stoopid as you claim everyone who doesn't agree with your screeds is.
Paul Lasiewski
5:14 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Ahh, you noticed that also, according to Mr. Lunt the Republicans have not done anything wrong, all their good-for-the-people efforts were thwarted by non-intellegent liberals who live in a bubble.
Darren Major
12:52 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Well said Frank :) Racism doesn't help this President either because that fuels the visceral hate of our President, some you see here, in posts. Words like Socialist and Arrogant are used to substitute for what they really feel (for example Arrogant = Uppity) so words that they are afraid to use in public have been subsituted. But we know that the extremely high hate and disrepect is racially motivated because the straw man of Obama as a monster and one who hates this country cannot be true and IS NOT TRUE. But its ok, I want to see the fetal position some of these people will be in when (if all goes well) our President gets another term to finish the job. If there was a chance to reach consensus I would not feel the way I do but the only way to move ahead is to drive around a road block. In this case thats the GOP.
Richard W. Lunt
5:15 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
You are a typical liberal and would rather blame George W. Bush for everything and ignore the fact that we are a country that is in 16 Trillion dollars of debt, is that Bush's fault too?? Oh yeah, wait, Obama has been President for the last 4 years.
Frank DelVecchio
8:18 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
OMG, it's a liberal!!! Must be stoopid!!!!
How can anyone argue with such finely crafted logic?
You tire me. Goodbye.
Steve C
5:15 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
DB I find it impossible to read your comments and take them seriously when you clearly have a level of ignorance that makes me sick. President Barack Obama is our commander and chief and I find the way you misrepresent his name offensive. He was duly elected to lead this country and you should respect that. It is non bipartisan attitudes and thinking such as yours that undermine the democratic process and close minds of those around you. I have yet to read a single comment of yours that contains factual or productive information.
This platform is for all of us to express our views and hopefully sway the other side to vote in line with us, either for Romney or Obama.
For the record I am a Romney supporter and a Republican.
D. B. Cooper
5:29 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
point taken on his name, but read the economics again, because they are exactly correct, whether you agree or not does not change the data.
Emcee of Seekonk
7:58 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Steve, ordinarily I would agree with you, but take a walk over to the HuffingtonPost site or the Daily Kos or even MSNBC and read the ugly name calling. It has been ongoing and endless. Now Romney is Romnesia, Eva Longaria, who is on Obama's staff, had something uglier to call Romney and tweeted it all over the country.
Sadly enough, civil discourse is not possible on this site at this time. Anything said is quickly turned into a war against the Catholic church, or a testament for abortion, and we're all called lying idiots for our point of view.
For the record I, too, am a Romney supporter, but I am an Independent.
Steve C
8:09 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Emcee, I started calling the Huffington Post the Obama files months ago. Even had to remove the app from my phone due to the one sided nature of its political reporting. Very sad.
Emcee of Seekonk
8:41 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
I guess the point I was trying to make is that ugliness begets ugliness and in no time political conversation on this site turns into a schoolyard brawl.
That being said, the MSM has to get out of the job of choosing presidents because it just isn't working.
Avon Barksdale
10:21 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Whoa - "The Obama Files"? OH NO YOU Di-Nt!!!!!!
That is some cutting edge comedy my friend.
Darren Major
12:54 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I thank you for your response but bi-partisanship has died more or less. None of these detractors spoke when Bush asked to not "change in midstream" despite all his failures from 9/11 to the stupid war in Iraq. The President has had to clean up a myriad of messes that despite the fantasy of the low information voters and posters here that did not magically start on 1/20/2009. NO time in history has a standing president had to deal with treason-like behavior of the other party who met the same day of the Inaguration and plotted to obstruct ANY and ALL efforts this President would take. The founding fathers designed our government to have ying and yang, push and shove from both parties to reach some consensus. They would look with same and disdain at the current GOP which obstructs every action from judges to budget to any other action needed. Thankfully, some key work was done and things are improviing but would do much better if obstruction would end. But, good always finds a way, and I believe good will come to the President one way or another as he wants to do right by everyone, even those who hate him. That's a sign of a leader I was glad to support and will continue to support. I always had no problem with classic Goldwater republicans....if they were more common in recent years, we could be on a path to success because they still had serious differences but a spirit of cooperation overwrote those differences. (continued)
Darren Major
12:58 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
(continues here)
I was thinking how the 9/11 crisis would have been better challenged with Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller, John Danforth, John Chafee, and other statesmen like them. Instead of using the crisis for political gain by Bush, Chafee, and Rove, we might have had a chance to work on protecting the country and not political gain. Who would have thought that the unity after 9/11 and targeting Afganistan would be tossed aside to win more seats by Bush and the GOP and to attack the wrong country, Iraq. That was more important than safety. I supported the administration through Afghanistan despite my disdain for the stolen election because it was a national crisis. Most of the Dems in office did rollup and support the Bush admin but we see how that ended up. So now, the opposition has grown and metastizied in an opposition at any cost where the actions to hurt the economy. I originally come from one of the reddest parts of the country and I unbelievably now think that dealing with the narrow minds down there was a bit better than up here in the sadly red part of the state I live in now. I think my past experiences made me stronger as I have dealt with all of the silly and terrible things before. Here the quality of "red state" is less suble and way more stubborn, but I do believe in what I fight for so I enjoy the debate here but in normal life I have to do more but I do thank you for being respectful....even if you disagree....its rare but appreciated.
D. B. Cooper
5:21 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Frankie and Paul, once again I'll splain this, it was NOT the entire economy, it was just banking and real estate, OK? Apple, Exxon, ATT, McD's, Merck, PhilipMorris, Boeing, ect ect ect ect ect ect, were NEVER in trouble. You write 2 TRILLION, (that's $2,000,000,000,000 if you want to see the zero's) of bad RE loans, thank you Barney Frank, and trust me, bad things will happen.
I commend you on either your sense of humor, or state of denile (a river in Egypt) that when college grads are facing 30% to 50% unemployment, depending on who you believe, that things are even remotely better. Unemployment would be close to 17%, if they used the same metrics as the 1930's (ie no 4.4mil on crazy pills, no 11mil on welfare, no 14mil not looking for work and the list goes on and on and on).
D. B. Cooper
5:24 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
BTW Frankie and Paul,
The auto industry always was able to sell cars by the tens of millions, they just never made money, it was their pension liability that doomed them. Ax Frankie, I remember 7 yrs ago having 2 JPMorgan senior VP's telling me GM had to go bankrupt to shed it's cost's. The exact phase they used was GM had "a slow motion bomb inside it".
Just open your minds and see that Barry is the least qualified Pres in the entire HISTORY of the country. He's NEVER employed one person, NEVER wrote a single payroll check, NEVER worked at a single company that made a nickel. On second thought I'm insulting the little girl down the road who made a 5 bucks at the popsicle stand.
You two should do what's best for the country, not who gives you the most free stuff!!!
Frank DelVecchio
8:14 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
Oh, since you know 2 JP Morgan SENIOR VICE PRESIDENTS, you must be right about everything - which justifies your snide and condescending tone. Did they also confide in you that Barney Frank was single-handedly responsible for our financial problems? Because they would be authoritative - which would justify your superior tone.
Paul Lasiewski
5:25 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
What are you talking about. Apple stock fell to $88 per share during the crash, this summer it hit over $700 thanks to President Obama. Now it is Barney Frank's doing................ by the way, who are you voting for?
Steve C
5:36 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
DB I do agree in general. I don't blame Obama for this mess. No one man has that kind of power. My reasoning behind not supporting him isn't because I am tea party nut job, I just don't think that he can get the job done.
Mitt Romney may have outsourced jobs and I am ok with that. I am also ok with politicians that change tactics. That is called adapting. We need someone who isn't so narrow minded and stubborn. What we need are politicians that can put there party's agenda to the side when bipartisan cooperation is necessary. Scott Brown has voted with his own party 60% of the time and the other 40% he voted to get something accomplished. We need the same with our next President and my hopes are that it will be Mitt Romney.
To everyone commenting here, keep the info coming and keep it factual and accurate. There are those of us out here that appreciate the information as knowledge is power regardless of our views.
D. B. Cooper
5:45 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
and it was $9.09 when Bush took office!!! Thanks for proving my point, AAPL was never in trouble. I'm voting for Romney, he was not my first choice however.
PS, I hope everyone bought some, sold mine @$590.00 a share, I know, I know, should have held a little longer.
9:19 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
" President Obama walked into the White house in the midst of an economic crisis and we were headed for a depression. (The Bush wars, tax cuts and deregulations turned a surplus into a $1 trillion deficit."
Between Jan.3, 2007 and Jan.3, 2009 the Congress was controlled by Democrats. Congress holds the purse strings, they are responsible for finances and budgets. They including then Senator Obama spent the SURPLUS... THE DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY... I rest my case.
Wendy Wagner
10:16 pm on Friday, October 19, 2012
You are misinformed. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-08-02-deficit-usat_x.htm
You know, I think it's kind of interesting that the article points out that way we measure the deficit is changing. If SS and Medicare were included in the federal accounting in 2006, the deficit would have been in the trillions. I wonder if they're counted now. /off to Google some more
7:33 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Well if you want to live in an oligarchy where the rich get richer by whatever means that is your choice. Romney does have the support of very wealthy people like the Koch brothers (watch Koch brothers exposed) and Adelson (Israel is his passion). Other than not increasing taxes on the rich and privatizing everything so the rich can keep getting richer - I have no idea what Romney stands for but maybe the brilliant Republicans can point that out. Adapting to change is one thing as someone pointed out - flip flopping on a daily basis is another - but I guess he hopes we don't notice. I prefer to live in a democracy where and yes I am quoting President Obama "where we all have a fair chance and we all play by the same rules". Historically we have been a country where we help others in need. Apparently that is a bad thing for some people. Regulations have been restored in an effort to crack down on fraud and abuse of the financial system. If you prefer to deregulate so fraud and corruption can be restored well vote for Romney. If you like war - vote for Romney. If you want your taxes increased to pay for tax breaks for the wealthy - well vote for Romney. Romney represents profits for himself over people. If you want to continue to give oil companies billions in subsidies - vote for Romney. The notion that his business experience will somehow help this country and trickle down is delusional. That's all - off to campaign for OBAMA12!
Wendy Wagner
10:18 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
" If you want your taxes increased to pay for tax breaks for the wealthy - well vote for Romney."
Agreed. That liberal economics magazine Forbes points out that there's no way Romney's math adds up. http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2012/10/19/if-romney-cuts-taxes-for-the-rich-by-20-he-will-have-to-raise-taxes-for-the-middle-class-by-1-trillion/
Steve C
7:46 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Businesses are the key to hiring and lowering unemployment. Tax breaks for businesses will create job growth. Obamacare will stunt job growth. I wonder why they chose January 2013 for it to come in to full effect? Businesses, often owned by millionaires, will avoid hiring to offset the added tax and insurance costs. You can thank Obama for that.
Big oil will make the money either way. If you take the tax breaks away they will pass the cost on to the consumer. They have us by the balls and there is nothing we can do about it, but, think of it this way. We, the USA, pays less than half for gas than most other countries. If you want to eliminate tax breaks for oil head to Canada and fill your tank or heat your home, lets see how you feel then.
Millionaires and Billionaires have learned how to work the tax system to maximize profits, that is their job and responsibility to share holders, stop hating on them and realize that a profitable business is good for the economy.
Obama has crushed small businesses over the past 4 years. Hiring is at an all time low. 7.8% unemployment reports are a joke and not mathematically possible. It is a skewed number that is offset by seasonal and underemployed individuals. Talk to me in February and lets see with this countries unemployment rate stands.
There is no FREE health care for all. Someone will pay and what Obamacare has created is a system where the few pay for the many.
Emcee of Seekonk
9:15 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
"There is no FREE health care for all."
Indeed not. Hence the mandate that everyone, especially the young and relatively healthy, pay into the insurance pool to offset the demands of the aging population and the occasional seriously sick younger person. If the mandate is put on businesses, they will within the year, pass that cost on to consumers. Everything is about the bottom line and it is the middle class who notice the increased prices.
Obamacare is going to be such a boondoggle of trying to get doctors and hospitals to comply with taking on new patients. They have a bottom line, too. A formula that tells them just how many medicare/medicaid patients they can afford to take on and still turn a profit.
Serious challenges ahead and I'm afraid Obama will just throw Obamacare out there and let it sort itself out, whereas Romney might work at getting it right.
Romney 2012 for many reasons.
Wendy Wagner
10:22 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
"Businesses are the key to hiring and lowering unemployment. Tax breaks for businesses will create job growth. Obamacare will stunt job growth. I wonder why they chose January 2013 for it to come in to full effect? Businesses, often owned by millionaires, will avoid hiring to offset the added tax and insurance costs. You can thank Obama for that."
I'm not agreeing with your point here, but let's treat it as valid. If there is increased demand, because the middle class has more money in their pockets, then wouldn't that offset any tax issues? I can't see millions of orders coming into a company and the company saying "Oops, can't fill these orders. I have too many regulations." Some other company will pop up and make it happen because they see that the demand exists.
I know "going Galt" is some sort of fantasy of the right wing, where the leaders of industry will stop running businesses due to the overregulation and overtaxation by government, but that is a delusion.
10:18 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
I don't hate anyone - that is an emotion reserved for the extremists. I don't understand the wealthy or their need for money. When is enough enough. Healthcare in this country is broken - can it be attributed to greed and excess? Maybe. Is the American Healthcare act or Obamacare/Romneycare the answer - maybe not but it is a start. Under Romney's new plan (he supported Romneycare until it became Obamacare) don't worry if you don't have insurance - just go to the emergency room - the most expensive way to get healthcare - and who absorbs that cost? No one on this planet can convince me that Romney (who has been running for President forever) is the right man to take this country in the right direction. Which Mitt Romney will show up to the debate on Monday - Severely conservative Mitt to appeal to the extemists? Moderate Mitt to appeal to the undecided? Maybe there will be a Liberal Mitt to try to pander to the Democrats. So many personalities - he has the best acting coach money can buy I am sure. See you all after the debate Monday. Go Obama!
Emcee of Seekonk
10:58 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
@Wendy... "If there is increased demand, because the middle class has more money in their pockets, ..."
That seems to have been the problem, even with gigantic stimulus packages and bail outs and taxpayer investments in places like Solyndra, the middle class worker hasn't seen an abundance of disposable income. After four years of Obama economics we've seen a terrible inflation in the cost of gasoline and heating fuels and food and medical care. It's scary to think of what the next four years will bring because Obama doesn't seem to have a plan other than to go forward with the plan that is barely working.
What you describe would probably work under optimum conditions, but we are not in that place. We need to approach the problem from a different direction with different minds at work. If, after four years, things are not better under Romney, then he gets the boot. But, to me, it's worth the try with someone else.
Romney/Ryan 2012
Wendy Wagner
11:34 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Retail sales seem to have rebounded from the losses of the 2008 financial crisis. http://e.businessinsider.com/public/923258
11:24 am on Saturday, October 20, 2012
"Frankie and Paul, once again I'll splain this, it was NOT the entire economy, it was just banking and real estate..."
Exactly, and it was the Democrats who voted against any regulation of Fannie and Freddie. They refused to accept the fact that both were failing. Now we have a president who continues to blame the Bush Administration for the collapse of the housing market and worse, then Senator Obama, also voted against stricter regulations. The facts always trump the spin.
Steve C
4:32 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
Wendy you have lost the concept of outsourcing, which is what companies will do when demand rises.
I also don't think redistribution of wealth is a good plan for a government to get out of debt. Increase in growth domestic product is what this country needs most. Upgrades to infrastructure would lower the unemployment rate and stimulate the economy. Investing government funds, which is borrowed from somewhere, in companies like GM is a huge mistake. The funds should have been used for capital improvement projects thus creating jobs, study some history here people. FDR would be disgusted with congress right now. If this country wants to spend money that it does not have it will never get out of debt.
I thought my Obama files comment was funny but then again I am a Republican. For the record I am also a business owner.
Wendy Wagner
8:13 pm on Saturday, October 20, 2012
"Wendy you have lost the concept of outsourcing, which is what companies will do when demand rises."
See, I was thinking about small businesses there. I was discussing this with a family friend who owns a custom car repair business. She claimed regulations and taxes on small businesses were too much and she couldn't afford to hire new workers. But I told her I thought if she had more business than she could handle, she would certainly hire more workers. She can't exactly outsource; many small businesses can't. And they're the engine, I'm told, that drives the American economy.
I agree with you about investing stimulus money into infrastructure, by the way. I think we have done that a bit. I can't tell you how many road and bridge projects I see going on around here. But there should be more.
Darren Major
1:07 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
In an effort to debunk some misinformation that keeps getting repeated over and over again, I will located post some clear argue-free facts that I hope will kill the misinformaton or at least debunk it once and for all......starting with the false Republican narrative that President Obama should have gotten more done during his first two years in office because he had a super-majority in the Senate. A super-majority is a filibuster-proof 60 or more Senate seats, allowing one party to pass legislation without votes from the other. Don't forget: the President needed a super-majority because of the Republicans' unprecedented use of the filibuster as an obstruction tactic - they've used it more than 400 times so far. That exceeds all congresses in history...even during the turbulent 60's. There actually wasn't a two year super-majority.
This timeline shows the facts:
President Obama was sworn in on January 20, 2009 with just 58 Senators to support hisagenda. He should have had 59, but Republicans contested Al Franken's election in Minnesota and he didn't get seated for seven months. (continued)
Darren Major
1:11 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
(continues here)
The President's cause was helped in April when Pennsylvania's Republican Senator Arlen Specter switched parties. That gave the President 59 votes - still a vote shy of the super majority. One month later, Democratic Senator Byrd of West Virginia was hospitalized and was basically out of commission. So while the President's number on paper was 59 Senators - he was really working with just 58 Senators. Then in July, Minnesota Senator Al Franken was finally sworn in, giving President Obama the magic 60 - but only in theory because, Senator Byrd was still out. In August, Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts died and the number went back down to 59 again until Paul Kirk temporarily filled Kennedy's seat in September. Any pretense of a super-majority ended on February 4, 2010 when Republican Scott Brown was sworn into the seat Senator Kennedy once held. Do you see a two-year super-majority?
Now if you mention the ACA (Obamacare) - It was passed using in the Senate via reconciliation which allows on budget/financial issues to be passed with a simple majority or 50 plus the vice president (VP Biden) - ACA needed reconciliation to pass and even then the president had opposition from several Senators (Lincoln, Lieberman, Nelson, Warner, Landrieu, and a few others) - Even this legislation had a tough time......
So now can we finally kill the false meme on the 2 Year SuperMajority - It is not true and facts now show why.
Darren Major
2:08 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
One more fact to place regarding the deficit - As of Oct 5th, 2012, "The federal government's fiscal year 2012 has come to a close, and CBO estimates, in the Monthly Budget Review, that the federal budget deficit for the year was about $1.1 trillion, approximately $200 billion lower than the shortfall recorded in 2011. The 2012 deficit was equal to 7.0 percent of gross domestic product, CBO estimates, down from 8.7 percent in 2011, 9.0 percent in 2010, and 10.1 percent in 2009, but greater than in any other year since 1947
The CBO is NON PARTISAN and is used regulary by both parties. The $300 Billion reduction to the $1.4 Trillion budget deficit that Obama inherited, while rather modest, is still an improvement considering the slow steady process of the recovery and the blistering unmoving opposition to other valuable legislation being held up in Congress to stimulate more job creation.
So now we know the deficit and where it is currently - so can we keep that clear going forward?
9:45 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Thank you Darren. Sad that grown men representing this country met on Inauguration nIght to set in motion their agenda to block every effort to support this President to the detriment of those who elected them to office. Those present? Ryan/McConnell/Cantor. Check the voting record of the do nothing Congress. Simply passing the American Jobs Act would have created jobs improved infrastructure etc. but who are we talking to here. You know who wins if Romney is elected - 2% wealthy Americans who think we don't need or want government in the first place. You know who wins when Obama's re-elected? The middle class, seniors, minorities, women, gays, veterans, teachers, students, fire fighters, first responders, police, immigrants, the uninsured etc etc etc. Obama12!
Ken B.
10:18 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
The middle class doesn't win with $4,300 less income, a dismal 4-year unemployment record, $6 trillion added to the deficit, and reduced itemized deductions (read: higher taxes) for medical expenses, and the other increased taxes that are coming under Obamacare.
Why should immigrants, illegal or legal for that matter, "win" anything if the big O is re-elected ?
Steve C
10:06 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I am a Veteran, and a Romney supporter, and don't feel that electing Obama will benefit me or my military brothers at all. I have friends that are Senior NCO's and leaving the service because of Obama. I have friends that are Fireman and first line responders and they have not benefited over the past 4 years. I also don't think 4 years is much time to accomplish your goals
Passing the Jobs Act would not have helped this country. It would have created short term underpaid jobs based on unsustainable financial reform. Obama would have looked good for a few years and left yet another mess for a future administration to handle.
I may be a Romney supporter but regardless of who walks away with this election I will support them. They will be our duly elected President and Commander in chief. This country needs to take on a non-partisan approach to government. Forget bi-partisan and stop being so stubborn. This is our democratic process and for better or worse it has placed us at the head of the world. When we wake up on November 7th and step out the door lets do it together. A country divided is a failed country, as with any company, military, or community.
I am a Veteran (disabled), a business owner, husband, father (small children), home owner, and most of all an American.
Frank DelVecchio
12:25 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
he Jobs Act would have made a big difference in construction jobs, where unemployment is the highest, with the added benefit of starting to meet infrastructure needs. Construction is by its nature project-oriented so I guess you are correct that the jobs would be "short-term" - but your assertion that it wouldn't work is just that, an assertion. Sorry, not buying it wouldn't work because you say so. Also not buying your anecdotal evidence that a few of your acquaintances represent some kind of meaningful trend - everybody has friends, whose life experience always seem to somehow dovetail with one's political philosophy.
Steve, I appreciate your attempt at a civil tone and I appreciate your service and your hard work. But I have a hard time taking your opinions seriously since you called Mitt Romney's blatant political pandering "adjustments". If he does win, I hope for the good of us all that your assessment is correct.
Jeff Sitter
10:23 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Liz if you believe that crap you are spewing you are smoking crack. Did any of the 2% you mention benefit from the Obama administration? Of course they did. Where did all the money from the bail outs go? Where did the money for the election campaigns come from. You know it wasn't the "middle class". I am a member of the middle class and my life isn't any better after the last four years. The President hasn't lived up to the promises he made during his campaign and our economy has seen anemic gains if any at all. Two of my kids graduated from college since he was elected. Gee I seem to remember the president saying he was going to make college more affordable for them. The government assumed their student loans at a miniscule 8% interest. I get to carry one of my kids loan payments while the other I have to assist financially because he lives and works in Boston and can't make enough to survive with a BA in Science. Maybe we should have changed our citizenship to another county and come back illegally so they could get cheap or free tuition. All politicians are in it for their own personal agendas and we are all just pawns in the game. If you believe we are headed in the right direction then step forward the the front of the line and be first to drink the koolaid.
Frank DelVecchio
12:25 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I'm confused. I saw Mitt Romney on national television state that he pushed through full tuition scholarships at state colleges for the top 25% in each high school class. And you couldn't swing that? Oh, that's right, he forgot to mention that in Massachusetts tuition equals about 10 PERCENT of tuition and fees (and that's before room and board - include those and its more like 5% or less, depending on the living arrangement). And while I think it must certainly be fun and exciting to be an illegal immigrant, I'm going to pass on your suggestion that that's the solution to high college costs. Too bad you didn't think of that in your own case.
Tim L
7:37 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Where did all the money from the bailouts go??/
Wells Fargo and Co.: 25 Billion (yes Billion),
JP Morgan Chase: 25 Billion,
Citi Group 25 Billion,
Morgan Stanley 10 Billion
Goldman Sachs 10 Billion
Bank of America 15 Billion (and they just got sued today for a Billion for creating the whole mess in the first place with fraudulen lending). The list goes on and on.
Why didn't GM get bailed out by private investors?? It was because those banks were getting bailed out themselves. Don't believe the Romney propaganda that GM should have been bailed out by private investment. Everybody was taking government money and nobody was lending.
Steve C
10:27 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I have a questions and if anyone is able to give a detailed fact supported answer I would appreciate it.
What is the middle class? (not looking for ridiculous response. I am looking for the answer in the views of our government)
Darren Major
11:44 am on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I think these people get it in the video Steve - I dont think there is an official government
Your candidate defined the middle class at $200+ K which I think shows that he is out of touch......his words not mine or media....
This article touches on Mitt but it also mentions on median income and other analysis by the Tax Policy center and others....
My opinion - Middle Class is $50k to 120k (single or Joint) => just a guess - you are going to have o do some googling of your own if you want something exact
Steve C
5:24 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
What I did find is that less than 3% of Americans make over $250k per household per year. That 17% of Americans think that 20% of Americans make over $250k. 8% of MA residents make over $250k. So in general I found no solid information that shows that Americans have any clue what anyone makes and that all of the information on the internet is skewed to the left or the right depending on the sources views. I also found that making money seems to upset the majority of the population. Also found that 12% of the country lives at or below the poverty level and that number is dramatically different when looking at the listings by state.
12:27 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
OK last comment before the next debate. I get that people want to vote for Romney because he is not President Obama or the economy isn't recovering fast enough or Mitt Romney is a successful businessman. I just don't get what Romney stands for other than he is not President Obama and he will promise the world on Day 1 to get elected. Maybe I have followed the campaigns too closely over the past year and have become mired in details. It is interesting that those at the top who have figured out how to game the system are brilliant while others are considered moochers. Mitt Romney is simply out of touch with reality. He defines the middle class as $250K or above. He says we can all take tax deductions from a bucket of deductions worth $25K or above. People believe what they want to believe but I believe that President Obama is heading in the right direction. He needs to define his vast number of accomplishments and his path to continued success better so we can all understand. Hopefully he will find a way to do that before it is too late. Turn off Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and FAUX news.
8:24 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
OOPS that should say $250K or below and that was as defined by Mr. Romney
Jonathan Friedman
12:51 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Please do not use profanity in your posts. That includes masked profanity. Thank you.
Fiscal Conservative
5:51 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Jonathan: Agree 100%. Any vile or uncivil language reduces to ZERO the credibility of the comment. Many times I may disagree with a person's post, each time I try to present my point of view in a manner that will not offend anyone. Sometimes I throw in some sarcasm or foolish humor to get across my point. Never though, will I use offensive language (even though I may use it in my daily life). It is unfortunate that some people think that use of this type of language is acceptable in a forum, such as this.
Carol Bragg
6:13 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Jonathan: My father used to say that people who use profanity have limited vocabularies -- they can't find other words to express themselves. I think that may be true.
Gretchen Robinson
6:52 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
"masked profanity" -- great term!!
Though I regret the necessity, thanks for setting limits here.
Frank DelVecchio
1:25 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Apparently, somebody doesn't know had to play nicely and had to take a time out...If your arguments are sound, why do you have to badger people who disagree with you?
Steve C
2:32 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Frank, for the record I am a construction manager and consultant so I do understand the industry as I have been working in it for almost 20 years. We do all have friends that drive our information and opinion so taking my comments seriously or not is always a choice. What I base my decision making on is the facts as I see and understand them.
I am a big fan of to much information and find everyone's opinion valuable, maybe not of equal value, but never the less there is value what we see and hear.
Thank you all for the input on middle class. I certainly do not believe anyone making over $150k a year should be considered middle class, as an individual.
Frank DelVecchio
4:00 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I appreciate that the choice this time may not be as clear as you'd like, and certainly your experience, which is extensive, should affect your viewpoint. I come to a different conclusion than you do. Here's hoping that whoever wins outperforms expectations.
Steve C
2:42 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Darren I would have to agree that the middle class appears to be more in line with your numbers. "My" candidate as you state is unfortunately not in the running. As much as I like President Obama I just don't have the confidence that he can get it done, so I am going with Romney. He would not have even been on my list of candidates I would like to see running for office, but that is a conversation for 2016.
I do not believe that the middle class is $50k or below, Liz. " Turn off Limbaugh, Beck, Hannity and FAUX news." all of these media outlets have failed us over the past years with their biased coverage and misinformation. I do not watch them and base my decisions on their information.
Darren Major
4:49 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Did you turn on Bush after his failed 4 years or did you eagerly support him for re-election? I ask on the basis of your statement - Bush certainly didn't reserve re-election after failing on 9/11 and Iraq - so I want to see if you are consistent..but I won't hold my breath.....but i would ask for your answer
D. B. Cooper
6:41 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Good class warfare talk. Also we have 5 straight comments on an erased post. No one knows who said what.
Wendy Wagner
7:57 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I think middle class is way more than simple income. It also has to encompass debt, assets, and lifestyle. I don't see myself being anything other than middle class, but we currently have practically no debt and decent incomes and a mostly paid-off house, and I feel like we have a lot of disposable income and economic security relative to how we used to live. I think what I have is what a lot of people hope the middle class will be like, but instead, so many people who make decent incomes are one crisis away from financial armageddon. I lived that way for the first 15 years of my marriage.
deb of see-attleboro
9:39 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I think you are correct, Wendy. My issue is that government tends to discourage savings and encourage spending. It is the nature of the beast.
I think the term "disposable income" should be put to bed. I have no money to burn.
D. B. Cooper
8:26 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Chavez, Castro, Putnin, all endorse B H Obama.
Wendy Wagner
8:48 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
So, apparently, do the majority of the members of the United States military.
Gretchen Robinson
8:54 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
there's an old saying that applies DBC"
"You can choose your friends by not your enemies"
by the way, it's spelled "Putin"--Vladimir Putin
Gretchen Robinson
8:37 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
a lot of people are closer to financial armageddon than they think. Lose a job, have a car accident, get cancer--and life changes in an instant.
I grew up with working class parents (my dad was a carpenter) in a small working-class town. The good thing was the connections between people. There was more of a sense of community and giving back. Most people served on a town board, or taught Sunday School, or served in some way.
Wendy, I agree living on the edge is no way to live. My son and his wife (two children) have never had the chance to get ahead and live one paycheck away from not being able to pay the mortgage, have no health insurance, etc. They live near Raleigh NC where there's a lot of tech work. They are good people and work hard but it's hard for this generation to get and hold onto work.
That's why I support the Affordable Healthcare Act. No one should have to bankrupt themselves to pay for a catastrophic illness. In my work in healthcare I've seen how dysfunctional today's medical care system is. We in the US pay twice as much as first world countries in Europe and our medical outcomes are nowhere near as good as theirs. We in the US can be egotistical and shout 'We're Number 1' but we'd be blinding ourselves to the reality that more can be done with less money.
deb of see-attleboro
9:47 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Not for nothin' Gretchen. But our country could be closer to financial Armageddon than we think.
Gretchen Robinson
9:53 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
it doesn't stop at our borders. Other nations took up the sketchy, dangerous loan practices/derivatives/Ponzi schemes of US banks and drove their nations into recession. We need to regulate the US banks and keep this from happening again. Businesses need to adhere to ethical standards and not be run by conmen.
Ken B.
10:03 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Wendy, If a majority of the US military supports The Big O, why have the Obamabots dragged their feet mailing them absentee ballots ?
D. B. Cooper
10:36 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Romney has big lead over Obama among military veterans
A new Gallup poll shows Mitt Romney leading President Obama by 24 points among military veterans, essentially accounting for Obama's 'gender gap' among men.
Hey Babe, Romney has a HUGE lead among vets. Let's talk reality here OK, why would men and women who are swore to protect the country be voting for someone so determined on bankrupting it. That would be counter productive, would it not?
I mean you don't need my PHD in common sense to understand that I hope.
D. B. Cooper
10:37 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Romney has big lead over Obama among military veterans
A new Gallup poll shows Mitt Romney leading President Obama by 24 points among military veterans, essentially accounting for Obama's 'gender gap' among men.
Hey Babe, Romney has a HUGE lead among vets. Let's talk reality here OK, why would men and women who are swore to protect the country be voting for someone so determined on bankrupting it. That would be counter productive, would it not?
I mean you don't need my PHD in common sense to understand that I hope.
Carol Bragg
11:48 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
It may be that most military veterans aren't aware that the strategy behind the arms race with the Soviet Union was to force the Soviet economy into bankruptcy through high military spending. It worked.Trouble is, military spending produces fewer jobs than non-military spending and in the long term has a negative impact on any country's economy. There's the conundrum: we're protected from without and collapse from within. I appreciate and respect military veterans but am glad they're not running the economy.
11:01 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
I'm sorry, but I cannot take anything you say seriously anymore. "Hey, Babe" ??? Really? Now we're resorting to talking down to women? I thought your ignorant nicknames were bad, but that just takes the cake. Congratulations on losing your credibility. Call me what you want, I know you fancy the name "Moonbats" but at least I can call myself informed. It appears to me that you have absolutely no idea what has been happening during the last four years, if not more.
Moonbats for Obama 2012!
D. B. Cooper
12:16 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Dude, open your mind, you're talking about bankrupting my country. You may not care, but I do.
Gretchen Robinson
11:13 pm on Sunday, October 21, 2012
Imagine if Hillary Clinton were the Democratic nominee in 2016. The spew of misogyny from the Right would be endless. Misogyny runs deep in our nation and world.
Anon. thanks for your post. DB recently addressed another woman as "Sweetheart" so there's a pattern here. It's harassment. Call it what it is. Bullying and harassment are all to common from the Republicans. Romney looking down his nose at Obama when he criticizes Obama for not calling the Libyan raid a "terrorist act for two weeks." And Candy Crowley fact checking him and then Fox News spewing their outrage against Crowley. Nobody likes a bully. DB, convince us with the intelligence of your argument or shut up. You drag down the level of discourse here.
It wasn't so long ago a man like Obama would be put down by calling him "boy." Shall we go back to those days DB?
D. B. Cooper
12:27 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
SHOCKING; Just SHOCKING, just imagine the outrage if I called anyone "old white men" or "stupid Catholics". Somehow I just might think that's 1000X worse than my harmless babe, dude, sweetheart. Go back to your far left hate sites where you can get away with that 24/7. I only want people who can listen and learn, Zealots need not reply.
SHOCKED, just SHOCKED
Darren Major
12:07 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
They already do by substituting words as a meme for te words they really think or want desperately to call the president (i.e. uppity) - but one thing about this President - they can heap it on but he never backs down and keeps his head on leading the country...they will never get to him f=despite the visceral hate!
D. B. Cooper
1:08 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
you two just really want to make me puke, playing the race card every freakin day.
I've given 10's of thousands to minority schools, you two probably don't even work.
Darren Major
12:11 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Wendy - earlier you posted about a business ..a small car shop that felt overtaxed and over regulated - I thought about that and I see no regulation or tax that adversely hurts small businesses - The ACA only applies if you have 15 o more employees but you can stil have any discounts/incentives even without the 15 employees - The President reduced taxes for small businesses 18 times so please if you don't mind tell us more - if this person is getting hurt....i wonder if they fall between a crack somewhere? I am truly curious...and thanks !!!
Wendy Wagner
10:12 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Darren, I'd love to give you more info, but by family friend, I meant friend of my aunt's, and I'm unlikely to talk to her soon. If I do, I'll ask her.
D. B. Cooper
1:15 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
BTW you two just want to make me puke, playing the race card every freaking day. I've given 10's of thousands (more actually) to minority schools, you two probably don't even work.
Darren Major
1:45 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Mitt Romney is ot of touch with Americans.....
2:10 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Congratulations on your donations, but I don't think that makes a difference as to who won the Presidential debate. Also, I'd like to point out that this is the Easton Patch, not some leftist underground organization. If you're getting sick over a political disagreement, I suggest you take your tens of thousands of dollars (more actually) someplace else. I don't have a problem with Romney supporters, or Republicans for that matter, but I have a serious problem with rude, ignorant people who feel the need to talk down to others. I'll have you know that I do work, but even if I didn't it shouldn't matter. That's the beauty of the American democracy system; every citizen has an equal vote. Sorry, but no matter how much of a philanthropist or hard worker you are, you will never have the right to personally attack someone else's beliefs or talk down to them, for that matter.
5:28 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Ok really last comment until the debate tonight. With all due respect to the Veterans of the United States - who I admire and commend for your service, I am concerned that the GOP desire to increase military spending means more war. In my humble opinion - I think this country has seen enough war. President Obama supports ending the wars, bringing our men and women home, and supporting them when they get here. Support is a different form of government spending - I believe - and hopefully everyone can agree that this is money well spent. President Obama has ended the war in Iraq, is winding down the war in Afghanistan (Bush era, Bush unfunded) and brought Osama bin Laden to justice. The Middle East is in turmoil and some would say we need to intervene - I surely don't have the answer but we certainly have our own issues to deal with and it would be great to take the money we have spent on war to grow our own economy. I do not understand those who hate us and why they feel the need to hurt us but I guess that is a reality that must be the most difficult issue for the President of the United States/Commander in chief - to face. I believe that President Obama has been a stoic confident leader. For this reason alone, he has my vote. Haters - find another forum.
R. Hood
6:15 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Liz... I could be wrong, but you don't listen. You only hear what you want to hear. I believe Romney said he would Not cut the military budget, not that he would increase it. Please correct me if I'm wrong and I will apologize. Good luck tonight to the Liar Barack!
4:28 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Well I guess we all hear what we want to hear. I have no idea what Romney's position on defense spending is today - maybe we will hear tonight. Hopefully the person best suited to lead this country will win the election. I know who has my vote. That's all.
Darren Major
5:13 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Romney plans to increase military budget....Video:
More facts:
If Romney achieved his goal of setting defense spending at 4 percent of GDP by 2017, the difference between his 10-year defense plan and Obama's current decade-long plan would be $2.03 trillion, according to a study by Todd Harrison, a defense budget analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.
More video:
Steve C
8:17 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
DB you are of no value to this conversation and I find your use of derogatory terms offensive. First it was towards the duly elected President and now towards women. What the hell is wrong with you? You should stop "helping" as most of what you say, and the way you phrase it, makes me want to vote against you; and I am for Republican.
Darren, most of your posts are clear and you sight good sources but I would ask this. Are most CEO's not out of touch with the middle and lower class? Does Romney's lack of intimate knowledge with the middle and lower class make him unable to lead this country?
Darren Major
11:26 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Hi Steve - not every one - its the behavior not the position - Michael Dell doesn't seem out of touch when I have seen him, Eric Schmidt at Google is another example.who seems in tune with life. On the other side, David Koch, Larry Ellison, most of the Hedge Fund CEO's and the current AIG CEO - yep out of tune and not just politically just missing the point in life and being aware that good people may not have a networth that matches theirs - Mitt just demonstrates a sense of cluelessness about many things outside being rich - remember the awkward moments during the primary.....Grits, trees being the right height, acting as if he had never seen a washing machine, telling students to just borrow from mom/dad for college, shop around for a doctor....etc.....and of course the 10k bet with Rick Perry - those are just some real life examples...but no I believe its behavior not position.
Emcee of Seekonk
11:39 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
"...I am for Republican."
I don't know why, but I often think you are playing the devil's advocate.
As far a DB is concerned, if he is responding to Gretchen and Darren, he is responding in kind. They've changed their tack a bit, possibly because their side is rapidly losing ground.
About Romney's alledged lack of knowledge... Mormons do a lot of mission work, they are not isolated from the general populace, plus one doesn't have to come up through the ranks of poverty to make a good leader. The two are not connected. As things are shaping up, more and more citizens are having respect for Romney and can imagine him as a good leader, at least a potential improvement over the economic stagnation we've been experiencing.
Darren Major
11:53 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Emcee of Seekonk - Anonymous posters like yourself got a lot of nerve offering any opinion about changing or shifting views - no change here just so you know - President Obama WILL WIN - I believe it now and I believed it the first time I posted here - since technically you don't "exist" except as a username place holder - well who cares what you say - except for this inane post i replied to its been easy to ignore your,uhm, oh what ever you call it you do here.....give us a break!
Richard W. Lunt
9:01 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
President Obama has not been a stoic confident leader. He goes around appeasing all the muslims as well appeasing Russia with all the cuts in our Military. We need a leader who will not appease anyone. We need a President who will make our Military stronger, and we need a President who is committed to enacting legislation that will help business grow, prosper, and hire.
Janet Sroczynski
11:16 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Obama's Pension:
Read the article: "Awkward! Obama's Pension Invests in Sheldon Adelson, the Super Rich Guy Funding Romney."
Then follow the link that takes you to: "10 Investments Obama May Not Want You to Know About":...in his Illinois Pension;
1) Las Vegas Sands - holdings in pension
2) Domino's Pizza
3) DeVry Inc.
4) China Life Insurance
5) Exxon Mobil
6) Halliburton
7) Altria - (Philip Morris USA - tobacco)
8) Cash America
9) Con Agra (Rheddi Wip)
10) Apple - iPhone 5
Be sure to read the link and the "tabs" associated with each companies listed above for Obama's position on these issues.
Enjoy tonight's debate.
Romney/Ryan 2012.
Darren Major
11:27 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Do you believe the president controls the Illinois state pension fund?
Darren Major
11:38 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
Are you recanting your lie earlier in this thread where you claimed the President was "heavily" invested in Chinese companies - I hope so because those posts were spurious at best and huge lies at worst - There's a huge difference -despite your desperate attempt to utilize a poster on Huffington Post...........to shine a bit more light interested parties should read this and do more research than this person "Janet" claims
Janet Sroczynski
11:58 am on Monday, October 22, 2012
By all means @Darren Major - do as much reading and research at:
http://www.sec.gov. Read the 10Ks; 10Q's and Annual Reports; Proxy Filings.
Do not @Darren Major, accuse me of lying. Unless of course, you would like to be called out on your own lies. You are a left-wing Stump-for-Obama, nothing more/less.
Darren Major
12:45 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Your posts provide my proof for me - you said he was invested heavily with Chinese companies - this most recent post certainly doesn't support your post before - if you say something untrue it's a LIE, sorry your posts betray you - not me - and you don't get to tell me anything - i only had two parents and thankfully you were not either of them........I didn't expect you to recant - oh well
Emcee of Seekonk
12:38 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
@Darren... "Anonymous posters like yourself got a lot of nerve offering any opinion..."
Excuse me, but this is a blog, not a census roster. More than half the people posting here are doing so anonymously. If you are being bothered by that, perhaps you should move on.
Romney 2012.
Darren Major
12:54 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I won't get into to a tit-for-tat but I will offer an appropriate word before going back to ignoring you: YAWN!
Ken B.
1:14 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
"Imagine if Hillary Clinton were the Democratic nominee in 2016. The spew of misogyny from the Right would be endless."
Gretchen, that did NOT happen when Geraldine Ferraro ran for VP in 1984, you have no basis to say it would happen in 2016.
The spew of misogyny from the left continues to this day however, regarding Sarah Palin and her 2008 run.
Fans of the Obama-Clinton 2008 primary campaign should exercise caution when throwing the racist & sexist stones.
Another Gretchen Whopper to add to the likes of "Gore won Florida by 5,000 votes"
Emcee of Seekonk
1:24 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
The Dems threw Hillary Clinton under the bus in 2008, and suggested she take the blame for the Libya (the buck stops here) Al-Qaeda attack in September to keep the president out of the fray. Susan Rice, ambassador to the U.N. was sent out to spread the lie about muslim tapes. Dems use women like disposable wash cloths. They do not treat their women well, to put it mildly.
deb of see-attleboro
2:40 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
I could not agree more, Emcee!
Remember when Obama called a female reporter "sweetie"?
All that was missing from last weeks debate was for Obama to finish his thought.
"Get the transcript! And while you're at *baby doll*, grab me a cup a joe"!
Emcee of Seekonk
2:59 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
With the left, women have to know their place and be willing to give it up at any time to a man. All they speak of is abortion. Now, who benefits most if not the father who never has to take any responsibility for what he has created. Women have not moved ahead one iota in the past four years, and will certainly not in the next four years if BO gets elected.
deb of see-attleboro
3:08 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
It's crazy, isn't it? How is abortion on demand and free birth control only a woman's issue?
Don't you love when some clueless guy says "I support women's reproductive rights" GO AWAY!!! PLEASE, just go away!!
And the gals fall for it!! God help us!!
Darren Major
4:42 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
@deb - My god you guys really are idiots......birth control will not be free from the government
Conservatives are IDIOTS - the government is NOT getting in the business of providing free contraceptives:
To get birth control without a co-pay means you have an insurance policy. No one can walk into any pharmacy today and get the pill without a prescription, which in any case first entails a visit to a doctor's office. No one without insurance can walk into a doctor's office to get any kind of contraception. None of these women have "free" birth control now, and they will not later even if they get insurance. (See the National Women's Law Center Guide on what to do if you have questions about your insurance plan and contraception without co-pay.)
Why? Because if you have insurance, you pay for it, either by virtue of your labor or out of your own pocket, or, depending on the situation, both. And under the ACA, it is now mandated that your insurance plan cover certain benefits without a co-pay. This does not make them "free." It means that you are paying for that service as part of your premium. You earned it, you paid for it, it is yours. If you pay for it, you deserve to get it.
Darren Major
4:44 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
This is a LIE - every word this Emcee person typed - no fact, no proof, nothing - just nothing - /you would think people would be honest bu that's the way it works
deb of see-attleboro
5:17 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Darren: I did not say "free from the government". Those are your words. Idiot!
Janet Sroczynski
1:28 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
More "Fluff" from the democrats........
Romney/Ryan 2012.
Darren Major
5:22 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Here's why "Janet" is lying about the Illinois Pension Fund.............
I located this info and pasted it below:
See, Obama has between $50,000 and $100,000 in a defined benefit pension plan from the Illinois General Assembly (PDF). The Illinois General Assembly retirement system has some Sensata Technologies stock. So, uh, everyone look at Obama! He too stands to profit from Sensata—in 11 years when he becomes eligible to collect his pension from two jobs ago, a pension in which he's one of hundreds of participants in a $60 million fund (PDF). The Romney campaign, by the way, is billing this as Obama's "personal pension fund."
Romney has $8 million in the Bain funds that control Sensata, and he's able to do what he likes with the Sensata stock he holds, having transferred $700,000 of it to one of his foundations—in the process, reaping more money in tax deductions than Barack Obama's entire Illinois state pension is worth.
Romney also gets a tax break on Sensata
Darren Major
5:00 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Romney , Fox and Conservatives FAIL on creating Libya cover-up
LA Times, Wall Street Journal, Reuters, AP, and even on Fox TV, along with other media reporting same story - its coming apart - all the resources are documented in the article
Media matters adds more support and points to articles as well
FACTS hurt - So Mittens has got a problem tonight!
Darren Major
5:05 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Peter Doocy on Fox shoots Libya RW spin down
Stoughton Fan
12:49 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Media Matter?s...Really?....Really? edia Matters,who is under investigation by the IRS for violating the tax exemption status of the 501c 3 rule governing their non-profit incorporation? The IRS investigation is a result of MediaMatters' avid support of Barak Obama and their admitted mission to discredit and work against conservative voices. You have no credibility citing this as your source.
Gretchen Robinson
6:44 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
deb- see
in the NH primaries Romney went into a coffee shop and thought it was "funny" to make believe that one of the waitresses had goosed him. It was not funny and no one there, waitresses, patrons, press, and his party thought it funny.
deb of see-attleboro
6:47 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Hmmm......Remember the biker chick on Bidens lap? HA! HA! HA!
Ken B.
7:11 pm on Monday, October 22, 2012
Media matters ? House organ of the leftists ? Certainly you can do better, Darren.
Janet Sroczynski
8:06 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
The only one lying here @ Darren Major is you.
Gretchen Robinson
8:37 pm on Tuesday, October 23, 2012
wow! I go off for a day and Darren becomes the designated enemy
what did he do now? Darren.
It's funny how they attack when we cite a progressive or non-partisan website
and they never tell us their resources...
Janet Sroczynski
9:15 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
"60 Minutes" video clip regarding China; "Huawei" as a serious threat regarding intellectual property being stolen, the telecom giant. And this occurred during the 4 Obama administration years.
R. Hood
10:20 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Obama is like the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike! Don't know how any right minded individual can support a LIAR who puts himself, and his candidacy, above the lives of four Americans killed on American soil. (Yes the consulate in Benghazi is American soil!) All you rumswabs deserve to be there with him when it comes crashing down!
11:32 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Romney is a chameleon, whatever color wall he stands in front of will be his color at that time. VOTE OBAMA !!!
11:53 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Barry the magic LIAR is going down in flames!!! Love it - nice 20 page brochure after the debates. what a wimp. Benghazzi is taking the whole administration down.
1:29 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Funny, how come Mitt didn't raise the issue at the last debate? Because he's afraid to debate.....All he can do is repeat other people's thoughts and ideas, in fact he should change his middle name to Xerox lol...
Janet Sroczynski
11:55 am on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
@Darren Major - why don't you spend some time and try and de-bunk this notation on the web, and from another blogger on these email threads as he wrote about it. Under his blogger's comments, he suggests the Obama's are moving to a $40 Million Estate that they (Obama's) purchased in Hawaii.
R. Hood
12:04 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Your Leader watches four Americans murdered in real time, LIES right to your face and all you can say is what color wall does Romney stand in front of? What would you say if one of them was one of your relatives? Deaf, Dumb and Blind is no way to go thru life! Secretariat is looking for his blinders!
Gretchen Robinson
12:35 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
you will get NO traction in attacking Obama on the killings in Libya. It's a dry well. Romney would be like Bush II, letting the same neocons (Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld) take us into new wars. Te rightwing narrative keeps screaming about Obama's
mistakes in Libya, but there were no mistakes. And by the way, Republicans voted down money for better security of our embassies abroad.
1:31 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Sorry to inform you he is your leader too......I'm sorry I forgot you must have been there too to know what goes on at the Whitehouse lmao!!! He watched them murdered? Really? You are as smart as a bag of hammers.....
Avon Barksdale
12:09 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Reading the comments on this thread should be a stunt on Fear Factor. Nobody could actually make it through all of them in one sitting, I know that I would rather swallow the hissing cockroaches.
Gretchen Robinson
12:36 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
hissing cockroaches can kill and so can the Republican desire for war at all cost throughout the Middle East.
Avon Barksdale
12:48 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Actually, they're non-lethal vegetarians. So take that for what you will.
Gretchen Robinson
1:18 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Avon, a man died last week after a cockroach eating 'contest'
exercise in self-torture like this thread is getting to be
2:55 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Gretchen: Re "THE REPUBLICAN DESIRE FOR WAR", what's wrong with you?
R. Hood
12:56 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Einstein,, where have you heard or seen that ANYBODY wants war? The facts are that your Leader lied for two weeks before he came out and said it was an act of terrorism, went to Vegas on a campaign trip the day after and did not even have the courtesy to fly the flag at half mast. For Gods sakes you need to put your Country and fellow Americans before your spot at the Liberal trough! We can't clean up the water til we get rid of the pigs (Obama, Pelosi, Reed and the list goes on!)
R. Hood
1:32 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Wretchen...to funny, thanks for making me laugh..... the facts,that you ignore, are not going away!
12:57 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Gretchen - yes lets just pave the middle east where our enemies lie
Gretchen Robinson
1:21 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Indiana: I have no clue what you are saying
2:43 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
"Te rightwing narrative keeps screaming about Obama's
mistakes in Libya, but there were no mistakes. "
How sad, that you believe that no mistakes were made in Libya. Are you really that ideological or is your lack of comprehension in regards to the facts? :-(
Paul Lasiewski
4:18 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
New Romney bumper stickers are out:
Emcee of Seekonk
5:15 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
At least Romney's flexible. BO is going 'forward' with the same old ideas that haven't worked in the past four years. When he's done with us, there will be an additional $4 trillion in debt, and we will distributing our wealth in the direction of the UN who may or may not have control of the internet. The promise to the Ukranian Medvedyev... what was that all about? BO is a socialist president with a socialist agenda. He just needs to dupe and lie his way there.
Gretchen Robinson
4:18 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
there was no "mistakes: of the magnitude the Right makes this out to be. Obama took responsibility for the deaths which was presidential of him. The Rightwing puppet masters (Rove and Co. ) are looking for a smoking gun. But there is none because Obama is steady and cautious.
The right is desperate to find some way to win but no, Romney, in the last debate, was "all over the map" and I'm suffering whiplash at his sudden jolt to the middle.
Romney is no moderate and just pretended to be one when he was Gov. Though he sounded like one during the debate, and seemed to be channeling George McGovern for a bit there.
I've said it before: Romney doesn't know who he is so he will say anything for a cheap shot (get rid of Big Bird/PBS, reinstitute the global gag rule). And so will many who post here.
4:17 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Barry knew, or ought to have known, about the involvement of al Qaeda and may have seen the attack unfold live. In speeches the next day, he certainly suggested that he understood what had happened, referencing acts of terror in his Rose Garden remarks and then more explicitly calling the raid "terror" in a campaign speech in Las Vegas that night. But next day he changed his story to Youtube video
Emcee of Seekonk
5:04 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
"This comes on the heels of the revelation that top officials, and perhaps even the president himself, were able to watch the hours-long battle in real time as U.S. drone aircraft circled the besieged compound filming the slow-motion massacre.'"
Chris Stirewalt writing for Fox News
If Obama is re-elected, can we expect more of this? Certainly al Qaeda is not on the run, they're entrenched in the Middle East.
7:01 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Gretchen, what "magnitude" would the mistakes have to be to make the president culpable for the death of four Americans. The day of the attack was Sept. 11, yet no increased security. The ambassador had warned weeks before that he was very concerned about the resurgence of al Qaeda in that area and yet no increased security. The Red Cross left due to previous attack, yet no increased security. During the attack which lasted 6 hours, no air support was moved to the area, yet the state department was watching in real time. Even the shelter location was under mortar attack. The president blamed the attack on a film for many days after the attack. The president was patronizing the Libyans by limiting the security for our ambassador. He placed more value on pleasing the Libyan government than protecting our ambassador.
The president knew this was a terrorist attack in real time. Why is it that this president has so much difficulty calling attacks by radical Islamists terrorist attacks?
Fiscal Conservative
6:19 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Stoughton12: If your #'s are correct (I do not doubt they are), I apologize for my inaccuracy. One note, if you look at your #'s, BOTH sides voted relatively together on NAFTA. This means that it was BI-Partisan...working together (somewhat). Unlike today, where both sides have dug their heels in and will NOT work for the common good. I don't know about you, but, I'm really sick and tired of all the hate thrown out there by candidates (both sides), media AND the general public. Nothing good is going to come from all this crap that is spewn out of the mouths of all these morons. We, the voter, are just as guilty as the above. We, for the most part, believe what is thrown our way. Me, I don't trust any of them. None of them really care about the state of the country. Maybe we have grown too large and too diverse for our country to survive as was intented 240 years ago. Could it be we have become a monstrous conglomerent of diverse thought that can no longer function? Would the country be better off as smaller, independent entities, each supporting ideas of the smaller populous? Is it truly possible for 330,000,000 to live in unity? I'm really beginning to think it isn't. I'm glad I'm older and really have far more days behind me than in front of me. What I see for future generations is not one, I think I, would be proud to have to spend too much time in.
Gretchen Robinson
6:33 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
as we grow older, and I'm 68, we need to retain our joy in life and invest ourselves in the lives of those generations coming up. Otherwise we can devolve into bitterness and loss of hope. It's our work as we get older. Keep hope alive. Live in the hope of a better future for all life on earth, not just humans, but keep it just to humans if you like. Are we to be so fiscally conservative that we are scrimy, skinflint, and hold onto every cent and not invest it in a rising generation.
Look up "microlending" and see what small loans in the 3rd world can do. We don't have to love each other as a nation to have a working consensus as to our future direction.
Gretchen Robinson
6:21 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Fox is not a news organization. It's a part of the republican liars club. What they don't know, they make up. They are the equivalent of those godawful rags sold in grocery store checkouts.
Republicans need to lose and lose big and maybe they will come down to earth and face the reality of life on earth, that it's not about billionaires like Donald Trump, Sidney Adelson, Koch Brothers, Rove, etc. If Romney was living his faith, if Ryan was truly living his faith they wouldn't have been so seduced with the love of money.
6:34 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Gretchen Robinson
6:40 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
if the election is fair, if Republican voter suppression and Republican voter fraud doesn't steal it (Tagg Romney owns a company that makes voting machines and supplies a swing state), then Obama will win.
Otherwise, Queenie, I wonder why you ask.
Fiscal Conservative
9:00 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Ms Robinson: Since your disdain for R's and how you accuse ONLY them for voter fraud. Please feel free to go to the below link to see a video of voter fraud in Virginia by a D who was caught on video tape. I know you will probably deny that a D would accually do something like this, since you KNOW that ONLY R's are capable of tactics such as this. Believe me, when I tell you, it's a two way street, BOTH R's and D's are capable of stooping to illegal, immoral or worse tactics to achieve their desired goals. You are very niave to believe that govt is trustworthy. I believe that you are an intelligent person who has consumed so much political KOOL AID that your sense of common sense has been altered to the point of no return. Think of this: Only 13% of the people have confidence in Congress, yet, more than 86% of those running for relection will win their seat back. Why is this? People just don't get it, they say it is the other's Reps who aren't doing the job. I say it is also my Rep who isn't doing the job. System is broken, won't be fixed until we get all the long term, professionals out of office, and we start anew. That means BOTH sitting R's & D's must be removed by the voter. Realize your Congressional members are beholding to Special Interests, they could care less about you or I. IT IS BOTH SIDES, NOT JUST R's.
Fiscal Conservative
6:41 pm on Wednesday, October 24, 2012
Ms Robinson: Just from your comments, you seem very unwilling to even look at other's point of view. I'm not an R or a D, but I try to look at both sides before reaching a conclusion. I have Satelitte radio and listen to BOTH Left wing & Right wing programming. Only thing I can accurately determine is they are BOTH full of hate and rant on about how bad the other side is. I'm tired of this type of rhetoric, and I really do not like saying this, but, you also fall into those two categories. You seem unwilling to see any other point of view accept yours. You may have valid points, but, it is getting real tiring listening to you spout off on those who don't see eye to eye with you. I'm fair game, if you feel my ideas are wrong, nail me good.
3:01 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Well said, ~ Most Republicans, Democrats & Independents agree 100%. Wonder WHY this so called "CLERGY PERSON" seems to be filled with hate?
7:16 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
If the Black panthers are still hung over as well as the community organizing group called ACORN are hung over on election day Romney wins - Oh! forgot about the UN group that will be watching polling places for Barry - they need to be hung over as well
7:28 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Gretchen you and your left wing pitch this election as the rich vs the rest of us - not true. I work for a small business owned by a wealty person. I am happy that I am working and that I have health care for my family - i pay 20% of it - which I am lucky, I hope the CO. can higher more employees - not going to happen if Barry is re-elected. With my boss taxes increasing and Workmans Comp increasing along with Obamacare - I think we are in trouble - Small businesss in this country is what will turn this around
Steve C
7:45 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
I am going to break this down a bit so that the hardcore Democrats can understand it better. Obamacare is going to cost this country tens of thousands of jobs. As a small business owner, which I am, if we hire more than 11 people we are mandated to provide health insurance, therefore, we have let enough go to remain under this threshold. There are over 5mm companies in the US with less than 10 employees and another 600k+ with over 10 but less than 20. They will let people go to keep under the threshold. Even if each company releases 1 person we are looking at 5 million new unemployed people in this country or roughly 2% rise in unemployment.
Affordable healthcare for all is a great concept and I look forward to the day that it becomes a reality but at this time it is not affordable to all on a Federal level. It should be handled by each state and the guidelines set forth to fit the states needs, as we do here in MA.
President Obama is not the devil and he has had some great ideas. What he lacks is the experience and knowledge to accomplish these goals. He manipulates the media, lies to the American people, all while his other hand is in the coffers of big companies. Just look at his personal holdings and investments over the past 10 years.
Wendy Wagner
10:21 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
"As a small business owner, which I am, if we hire more than 11 people we are mandated to provide health insurance, therefore, we have let enough go to remain under this threshold. "
Really? Could we have some more information to verify that this is true? I mean, you can say it, but for all we know, you could be lying to scare people. I know people who are unemployed, but I don't know of anyone who was let go so that the employer wouldn't have to pay health insurance.
Steve C
5:03 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Here you go Wendy,
Steve Coote
President/Director of Operations
Square Foot Management & Consulting Inc
8 Windsor Drive, Foxboro MA 02035
The cost of the health coverage for a small company would be mainly offset with tax breaks. The issue is that using working capital to fund this throughout the year is detrimental to the structure of the company, which is required to cover at least 60% of the cost. There is actually a much more complex formula but I am not going to get in to that on here as it is hard to understand and I for one am no expert on the coverage parameters.
Steve C
5:08 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
I am certain that no one was let go based solely on the pretense of avoiding healthcare costs. It is the overall costs to operate a business that is driving the lay offs. Healthcare, increased liability and workers comp, bank fees for lending; which has all but dried up for some industries.
Our sales within the construction renovation and repair industry, residential housing sector, is less than half of what it was just 2 years ago. If a homeowner has no equity the industry takes a major cut back.
Commercial work seems to be booming and has kept diversified companies moving forward but it has been fairly difficult to find finding for large scale projects. As developers we have seen the lenders tighten there lending guidelines which has either delayed or canceled upcoming projects.
Wendy Wagner
8:42 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
"I am certain that no one was let go based solely on the pretense of avoiding healthcare costs. It is the overall costs to operate a business that is driving the lay offs."
OK, but that's different from what you originally said. I would hope that the flip side of addressing the health insurance issue is more cash in the pockets of the middle class so that they can afford to spend more money on things like your services.
See, that's the fine line here. You have to balance between businesses, which want to increase profits, which can be done by shedding "unnecessary" jobs and taxes etc., and customers, who need the jobs and need the services provided by taxes in order to be able to afford the products of the businesses. America has been most successful when it has struck a balance, and it's lack of success in the last decade has been because the pendulum has swung too much in the favor of businesses. (I suppose one could argue, if one liked, that the pendulum swung too much in favor of the customers/people in the 1970s, i.e., post-LBJ's Great Society programs.)
Steve C
7:47 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
For the record my numbers come from the United States Census Bureau chart on statics about Business Size.
Paul Lasiewski
9:33 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
This is an example of how Republicans mislead the public. You are implying that Obama will force small business to pay 100% of employees health insurance or let people go. The small business practice of keeping employee number under 10 or keeping hours per week under 37.5 so as not to have to over health insurance goes back way farther than Obama. So cut the crap.
Steve C
9:50 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Paul, what do you mean cut the crap? It does go back further but only under Obamacare is it now mandatory to offer health coverage, even if some of the employees opt out. No one implied that the business would have to pay 100%, you are the only one that mentioned that, and the cost to employers is real. It is not a Republican made up figure.
My point is that the Federal government should not be in the healthcare business, other than the VA. It should be left to the states to handle. The cost of oversight is crushing the cost of this healthcare. My comments are not directed specifically at Obama but at the entire Democratic party.
The middle class will once again pay for this burden. Either out of their paycheck or by loss of their job.
Steve C
9:56 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
For businesses with over 50. It won't be cheap. The penalty starts at $40,000, and increases with the size of the firm's workforce by $2,000 for each additional worker past 50. And it won't be enough to provide just any insurance, either. The plan must cover at least 60% of health care expenses, and insurance has to cost the employee less than 9.5% of his or her family's salary. If coverage is deemed substandard by those measures, the company is hit with an even higher penalty of $3,000 per employee
Paul Lasiewski
10:03 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Small Business Exemption: Obama's plan exempts small businesses from the requirement to provide health care benefits or contribute to the costs of the national plan.
There have been no guidelines presented yet as to what constitutes a "small business." However, if the guidelines applied by the Small Business Administration were used, the definition of "small business" is still vague (and has been redefined many times over the past ten years):
"The Small Business Act states that a small business concern is "one that is independently owned and operated and which is not dominant in its field of operation." The law also states that in determining what constitutes a small business, the definition will vary from industry to industry to reflect industry differences accurately. SBA's Small Business Size Regulations implement the Small Business Act's mandate to SBA. SBA has also established a table of size standards, matched to North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) industries."
Small Business Health Tax Credit: Small business owners would receive a new "Small Business Health Tax Credit" in order to help reduce the costs incurred by small businesses who offer health care benefits. This incentive would be in the form of a refundable tax credit of up to 50 percent on premiums paid by small businesses on behalf of their employees.
Steve C
4:49 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Paul, in part you are correct. They do offset with a tax break for most of the costs. The issue seems to be working capital being used for these items and then waiting for year end tax breaks. Many of us in the small business world don't have much additional working capital these days and the banks have tightened up on lending.
Paul Lasiewski
5:20 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Steve, you did read the first line right? I too am a veteran and I too had a small business with under 10 employees, which was not to keep from paying insurance! I had 5-6 employees. However, I was able to join a small business group where we were able to pull our resources and numbers of employees to get a better insurance deal. I also know what a PIA all the regs can be, and Know all about trying to build working capital. However, I support Obama.
Steve C
5:28 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Paul, thanks again for the info provided. I just want to clarify that my company, or any that I know of, has never let anyone go based on healthcare costs alone. My focus was on the ever increasing cost of company overhead and employee costs. Healthcare is a great concern not so much for today but starting in 2014. It is my firm belief that qualified physicians will walk away from hospitals and open private practices leaving us with less than the best care. It will come at a great expense to the hospitals which in turn will have to raise costs. The percentage that is covered under Obamacare will remain the same but the cost will rise never the less.
Janet Sroczynski
10:54 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012
@Wendy Wagner - google a search under the names of many CEO's who have already sent out emails, newsletter mailings to their employees regarding this healthcare issue.
Wendy Wagner
8:29 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Why can't you just post info instead of asking people to Google?
1:05 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
there are thousands and thousands of exemptions and entitlements in obamacare...who is going to pay for these???
2:25 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Which actors are going to play the leads in "Benghazzi-gate" how Obama watched 4 diplmats including our ambassador to be murdered - then covered it up. bet Michael Morore or Weistein wont touch it
R. Hood
4:21 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Obamacare: Watch in fullbefore you comment
Janet Sroczynski
4:51 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
A good question to ask the democrats who voted for this, is how long did it take you to read the Healthcare Bill? Most of them haven't read the bill, so they can't answer the question. And then ask them the same question again, and ask it this way: "And how long did it take you to read the healthcare bill the second time around, and the third time around, and so forth"........and you will see that most democrats haven't read the bill, period.
Paul Lasiewski
5:13 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Absurd to take parts of sentences out of context to support a point of view. Trash.
Steve C
5:17 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Are you referring to any one politician in particular or possibly Fox news? This seems to be the standard practice for most of the media and our candidates these days.
R. Hood
5:30 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
The first Un-American Liberal Rumswab to check in, exactly what I predicted. That can't be true Rachel Madcow, and Chris "we're playing the racial card" Mathews say it's not! The comatose Nancy Peolosi would be very proud of you! You need to stop hanging out in front of the Liberal rstroom. that's not lemon-lime coolaid you're drinking!
5:35 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
R.Hood that is an eye opener and the video only goes to page 500!! Yet the Obama zombies say yes master...He has to be brought down
6:08 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Why won'tyou wise up. Obamacare WA passed in the dark of night by someone not elected by the people of Massachusetts.the Kennedyfill in.
R. Hood
7:25 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
I hear you Bro, all these Liberal Moonbats feeding on America's nipple is taking us down!
R. Hood
7:06 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
This will make the hair on you neck standup. That is if you're an American!
Frank DelVecchio
7:39 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
I think everyone should view your little "documentary" so that they can sense who it is exactly who is calling US "moonbats".
8:50 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Be afraid, Be VERY afraid. This is how DEMS see diversity? Everyone, timt to exercise your 2nd amendment rights. "Those who do not remember teh past are condemed to repeat it". Who Really celebrates diversity? Not the Dems.... Or MOONBATS!!!!!! Pack your bags. The Obama train is coming to take me away..... everyone should be afraid. I also heard the Black Panther Party is mobilizing.....
R. Hood
9:43 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012
Could one of you Moonbats expalin to me why it's ok for a President of the United States to intentionally LIE? Are you saying that lying is acceptable? Do you approve of lying from members of your familty? Is it ok for your children to lie? Please let me know, I don't want my children to be left out?
Janet Sroczynski
6:32 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
@Wendy Wagner - you can read what's posted on the Washington Policy Center's site at:
* Also, see who was Exempt. It's cited on that page.
Why don't they want the same healthcare coverage that they rammed at everyone else?......um.....
Wendy Wagner
11:17 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
The Washington Policy Center is an ALEC-run organization:
"ALEC is a corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. They pay for a seat on ALEC task forces where corporate lobbyists and special interest reps vote with elected officials to approve "model" bills. Learn more at the Center for Media and Democracy's ALECexposed.org, and check out breaking news on our PRWatch.org site"
Janet Sroczynski
6:39 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
The link above is to the article entitled: "Washington Residents to See ObamaCare Taxes Now, Services Later."
The list of the 21 New ObamaCare/ObamaTaxes/NancyPelosiTaxes are listed there.
Paul Lasiewski
7:37 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
At a meeting with the "Moms For Mitt" group yesterday outside Philadelphia, PA, Ann Romney was asked her opinion on Lilly Ledbetter and equal pay for equal work regarding women's employment. Without hesitation she responded with another question that seemed to shock even the most staunch conservatives in the room.
"Why should women be paid equal to men? Men have been in the working world a lot longer and deserve to be paid at a higher rate. Heck, I'm a working mom and I'm not paid a dime. I depend on my husband to provide for me and my family, as should most women… and if a woman does work, she should be happy just to be out there in the working world and quit complaining that she's not making as much as her male counterparts. I mean really, all this wanting to be equal nonsense is going to be detrimental to the future of women everywhere. Who's going to want to hire a woman, or for that matter, even marry a woman who thinks she is the same, if not better than a man at any job. It's almost laughable. C'mon now ladies, are you with me on this?"
7:44 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
That's a lie Paul and you should take it down...And that lie has been circulating since Aug so for you to frame it as occurring yesterday is quite disgusting and shows how low you will stoop to spread such lies.
Steve C
7:53 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Paul you should be ashamed of quoting this outright LIE. Check your facts and stop using FB as a political source. Most of your posts have been informative, if not agreeable, but to post something as shameful as this disgusts me.
Here is a link you should read before believing this crap
Ann Romney is a proud and happy housewife, and there is no issue with that, she also supports a solid family life, strong parenting, and old fashioned views of a marriage. This does not make her a bad person but a person of conviction. She is a supporter of women and of families.
Gretchen Robinson
11:34 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
thanks for the quote, Paul. I'm sharing it widely. Women like Ann Romney make life harder for all women. I have to laugh when she "depend(s)" on her husband for support. Republicans are so against 'takers' and those who "sponge of the system" but she's sponging off the patriarchal system that puts men as head of the household.
Ann/Mitt are SO out of tough with real women's lives. "Real" women have to work.
Real families need two wage earners. Only the elites like Ann/Romney can spend their days as Ann does (usually) riding one of her dressage horses and planning to go to the Olympics. And hitting the US up for a $77,000. tax break for the horse!!!
Break the cycle of dependency!! Vote Obama! So "real women" can get equal pay for equal work. Where 'real women' can get birth control and even choose to have an abortion if they need one. Real women don't let men or husbands force them into involuntary servitude. Or in Ann's case, servitude.
Paul Lasiewski
8:01 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Don't take this seriously please! It came from "News that's almost reliable". Point is that even with sites listed in this thread, a lot is bullish*t but people still believe what they read or hear without question. Unfortunately even if one does question it is difficult to get an honest answer! No, I don't believe that "LIE".
Avon Barksdale
8:14 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Paul, you're dealing with zealots who wouldn't know satire if it walked up to them, shook their hand and said "hello, I'm Satire, nice to meet you." These are the same people who click on pop-up ads and believe that they can make $1,768 a week working part-time at home. They actually thought that it was plausible that you thought that Ann Romney ever uttered the phrase "C'mon now ladies, are you with me on this?" Most days I simply weep for America, today I will wail and flay myself while dreaming of a non-idiotic future.
Steve C
8:22 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Avon, those of us responding are not Zealots. What we responded to was someone posting political cannon fodder that carries no fact on a discussion thread regarding the candidacy for our next President. These types of postings are misleading and should not be placed on sites like this. For that matter I don't know Paul or what it is possible for him to think, or what you think for that matter. Maybe you are just a left wing democrat that follows your parties commands like a robot.
Anyone that believes you can make $1768 a week working from home filling out computer adds probably isn't reading this thread anyways. They would be to busy filling out adds or possibly being a secret shopper.
Avon Barksdale
8:25 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Steve, the appropriate thing to do when one loses their mind and flies off the handle after taking obvious satire seriously is to slink away in embarrassment for a brief self-imposed time-out, not grab another shovel and dig further.
Avon Barksdale
8:26 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
And for the record, this thread in no way qualifies as a "discussion" about the election of our next president.
Steve C
8:31 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Avon, you are a fool of a person. Why would I slink away from you, or anyone, that posts absurd comments on this discussion board. What I find is that people such as yourself are of no use to this discussion, the election process, and probably society.
Why don't you slink away and go back to your extreme couponing and leave the decision making process to those of us that have a stake in the outcome?
Avon Barksdale
8:39 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Thanks Steve, great "contribution" to the "discussion."
Darren Major
11:32 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
This one is funny :(it's Friday...may be all need to chill before the freaky storm)
Steve C
8:10 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
The biggest concern that I have seen, based on the Romney campaign, would be that President Obama is an odds on favorite to win re-election ranging anywhere from 62%-71% favorite. Forget the polls that come out as they are biased to the left or right. Bookies know how to make money and set odds, they have done it correctly for 15 of the last 16 elections.
This is bad news for the Romney campaign with only 2 weeks to go. If President Obama blows anything up in the middle east over the next two weeks this race will be a lock, and yes I do think he is capable of this. All he needs to do to secure the presidency is find the group responsible for the consulate attack and take them out. This would all but assure a victory.
On the flip side, if he continues to flounder regarding the lies surrounding this then he is going to continue to loose credibility.
Either way this may boil down to which candidate does or doesn't say or do anything to off the wall over the next 2 weeks.
Darren Major
11:28 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Steve - I don't agree with the lies but i know you will respect if not agree with his re-election - If the president hollds on to the ketrry states 252 + Ohio => its a win, the rest of the states would start adding up the mandate and help down ticket - I think we need the President to keep it going - I believe things will continue to improve
Tim L
10:53 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
As people can see from my other posts I tend to lean pretty heavy Democratic but my patience around Benghazi (spelling?) is getting really thin. I want an explanation why the people in the consulate died when the military had resources in the area to help out. The benefit of the doubt for Obama was cancelled out by the whole video scam. It is time for him to put all the cards on the table and explain what happened. That is real leadership, but I guess the truth has to take a backseat to the election.
The only reason I am still considering Obama is because I believe Romney only cares about the top tax bracket and the rest of the country would be worse off in 4 years. I really don't like the choices.
Paul Lasiewski
8:57 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
I thought this thread is a discussion. Avon, surely some people on here border on being a zealot. I sense more just have blinders on, focusing on bits of information and not the whole story. In either case it amazes me how quickly an intelligent conversation, debate if you will, turns to ugly name calling and anger. That reflects a different issue about an individual. Misplaced or projected anger as seen right in this thread is an indication of a personal problem unrelated to the actual topic that festers within an individual. I am not talking about any one individual, just a general statement.
Janet Sroczynski
9:06 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
@ Paul Lasiewski - how long did it take you to read the 2,700 page Healthcare Bill?
Paul Lasiewski
9:27 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Most people do struggle with math above the 7th grade level. How often does the average person do algebra or calculus on a daily basis. People don't even do basic math, leaving those calculations to a calculator. I don't believe there is any math higher than basic in the Healthcare bill.
9:35 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Barry should be proud - he got Osama then he watched 4 americans get murdered in Libya - while eating popcorn I am sure
Emcee of Seekonk
10:40 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Methinks the Commander in Chief was trying to slink away. No eye contact, cold hand. In his mind, "How can I cover this mess up?", over and over again.
Janet Sroczynski
10:21 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
I do not think it's the math in the Healthcare Bill that is bothering people, it's the Mandate, aka..."the Tax" that is bothering people. The forcing of the Mandate, the Tax, upon people.......that is the problem. Constitutional vs. Unconstitutional argument before the Supreme Court, Justice Roberts.
If Massachusetts has for instance:
It allows people to compare plans. That's not the part that bothers people. It's the forced Mandate/Forced Tax, from the Obama administration that bothers people.
Really, who has a problem with chocolate milk in the schools? Apparently the far left leaning liberal democrats do. So what did they do, they got together with Harvard University to do their BMI-Body Mass Index studies, and then tied it into the Healthcare Bill.
All this from an accidental president who smokes pot and prefers the hard liquors? So much for leading by example. Can't do 7th grade math, and he admits it.
Romney/Ryan 2012.
Darren Major
11:29 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
The only way a person has to pay the mandate is IF THEY REFUSE TO HAVE HEALTHCARE - The "tax" is not taken from every person
R. Hood
10:56 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
2008: O'Liar 52% - McCain 47%. Those brain functioning 47% are staying where they are, on the other hand those 52% maybe they'll wake up from their coma. O"Liar: " I'm begging for your vote! Don't vote for me for what I've done (he's done nothing and we're circling the drain) vote for me vote for what I'm going to do (flush us down the drain) !" It's not about us it's about our children, grandchildren and generations to come! Vote Romney/Ryan
Gretchen Robinson
11:46 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
@T.Hood. You ill-serve your crusade of hatred when you make up names for Obama. He is, whether you like it or not, our President. We saw the same nonsense about how civilization as we know it would end from Bush during both election cycles and McCain's candidacy, too.
How inflated can you get! Imagining that the fate of civilization rests on people voting for Romney? He's a chump and can't even lead himself to tell the truth and constantly flip-flops on his positions to say the opposite of what he said 4 days ago.
Janet Sroczynski
11:37 am on Friday, October 26, 2012
Real women @Gretchen Robinson can and do, start their own businesses. And then let the men fetch the coffee.
R. Hood
1:46 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
@ Gretchen: Why don't you get your head out of O'Liars @#$. Come out and say it those four Americans sacrificed in Libya couldn't have come at a worse time. Do you give a @#$% about your fellow Americans that are serving to protect us and make this world a better place for generations to come. O'Liar watches live as TERRORIST fire RPG's at fellow Americans. CIA Annex asked three frigging times if they can go help and O"Liar says NO. O'Liar: "Guys this could hurt me in the election. Let's all close our eyes, I have to be in Vegas tomorrow! Don't worry those little things sticking out of my backside are the meda's legs!" "Forward with the LIES". THIS IS FAR WORSE THAN SOME STAINS ON A BLUE DRESS! Real Americans are tired of this Administration's lies! Any defense of his actions says all I need to know about a person.
R. Hood
2:25 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
O'liars target audience. Just flush us now!
Steve C
3:07 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
I am not sure about the majority of the group that posts on a regular basis but I for one immediately discredit a post that begins with derogatory statements, name calling, or profanity. Any credibility you may or may not have is lost with the insult.
Gretchen Robinson
3:17 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Fox host, Geraldo Rivera says "We've got to stop politicizing Behghazzi"
deb of see-attleboro
4:48 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Geraldo Rivera also said "Stop sending your teens out in hoodies".
Gretchen Robinson
4:54 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
of, I forgot, you never watch or read anything I send. He's from Fox but he has some decency left such that he calls for not making the killings in Libya into political foot ball. I feel sympathy for the families of the four people who were killed, seeing all this hate. It's cruel to them to keep these lies going, just for political grandstanding.
deb of see-attleboro
6:54 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
Don't take it personally, Gretchen. I don't read many links posted hear on Patch. I listen and internalize from many sources. But in the end, I rely on "woman's intuition". Crazy. I know.
Gretchen Robinson
6:59 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
if it works for you but you might be missing important points of view...I have a friend who posts a lot on another listserv. He drives other people crazy, but then there's the gem, I wouldn't have wanted to miss. To each her own.
deb of see-attleboro
7:43 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
When you speak from your heart Gretchen, I am all ears. But you drive ME crazy when you spout all those left wing talking points and reference all those left wing blogs. To each her own.
Gretchen Robinson
7:57 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
deb. We are each others opposites on politics and maybe religion, too. But you don't drive me crazy. Baffled, yes, but then lots of people/things baffle me.
Daniel F. Devine
7:47 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012
No one got killed in Watergate cover-up & the President (Nixon) resigned.
Fiscal Conservative
7:10 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
First off, I don't believe much that comes out of the mouths of politicians, they speak to the crowd they stand i front of. Media bias, both sides is sickening. I have satelitte radio and listen to BOTH sides when I drive. The HATE, the LIES coming from the mouths of these "entertainers" is beyond belief. What I see more of, and offers less credibility, is the 4 letter language spewed from the Left (not that the right doesn't), especially one female "host". As of now, I'm leaning towards not voting because I have no real confidence in any candidate to do a job for the benefit of Main Street America. You know,,,,you or I!!! Gridlock will continue, may even get worse depending on the out come. Politicians will thrive while you and I suffer. Nothing will really change. Spending what they don't have will continue as will future Social programs, that we can't sustain, that remain unfunded. Every clown in office MUST be removed and we need to start fresh....Won't happen though.
Paul Lasiewski
8:28 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Government spending under Obama is at a 60 year low. Lower that when Eisenhower was President. Stock market is up, housing starts are up, foreclosures are down, unemployment is down, auto industry is up. Sure we're moving forward slowly, but we're moving forward. I admit that all members of congress up for reelection should be replaced. THAT"S where the problem "lies". Where else can one get paid so well and do so little??
11:39 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
"Government spending under Obama is at at 60 year low"
WOW that's some heavy crack your smokin. Whose your dealer? Avon?
Paul Lasiewski
12:31 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Andrew, too funny. Actually its my own blend. Had a real rough night last night. Went to a Halloween party and there were no less than 60 Romneys, real nightmare on Elm St.
Stacey Alsfeld
9:13 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Paul, your statement is incorrect. Goverment spending under Obama is, of course, the highest of any country in the history of the world, with a deficit of $3.6 Trillion. You most likely meant the the "increase" in spending (1.4%) is at a 60 year low, which is suprisingly true. I agree with your Congress comments, except for Scott Brown.
Paul Lasiewski
12:33 pm on Sunday, October 28, 2012
Stacey, thanks for the correction. I must have been on crack.............acting like a Republican no less. Shame, Shame.
Paul Lasiewski
9:24 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
You're probably right, too early on a Sunday! Except for "Do nothing" Scott Brown...
10:55 am on Sunday, October 28, 2012
If Barry wants to take ALL the credit for Osama he MUST take ALL the credit for Benghazzi!! And please stop endorsing that dbag Warren