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11 Dead Animals Found Skinned Were Foxes, Not Puppies
11 small animals found dead near a Lower Macungie park on Friday have been identified as foxes, not dogs.
Eleven small animals found dead and skinned near Lower Macungie's Quarry Park Friday have been tentatively identified as foxes because of their teeth, according to Christine Wiggins of the Lehigh County Humane Society.
Further testing is needed to be sure, Bruce Fritch of the humane society told The Morning Call.
A press release from state police originally indicated the animals were puppies, sparking outrage among local animal lovers.
An Upper Macungie woman who was walking her dogs on Friday afternoon near the park made the gruesome discovery and called state police. She did not want to disclose exactly what she saw for fear of jeopardizing the investigation.
The woman told Patch, "It's very upsetting. And I worry what kind of person would do something like that. And what are they capable of doing to anybody?"
The animals looked to be about 6 months old when Wiggins saw them on Sunday, she told Patch. They should have been disposed of properly, not left in a park where a child could see them, she said.
Wiggins said she didn't know if this case and the similar case of a skinned animal -- possibly a dog -- last week in Lynn Township are related. That animal, she said, was professionally skinned and its feet were cut off -- which is a sign of a professional's work. Wiggins said the animal was not "cooked," as reported by local media. It showed signs of exposure to sun and the elements.
The animal in Lynn Township was found about 20 miles from the Lower Macungie park where the foxes were found.
The feet were not cut off the animals found in Lower Macungie, Wiggins said.
State Police at Fogelsville still has a criminal case open on the incident, but said the Lehigh County Humane Society is now the lead investigator for both the Quarry Park and Lynn Township incidents.
Anyone with information about the foxes is urged to call Wiggins at the Humane Society at 610-797-1205 ext. 2.
Mary Anne Looby
6:33 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012
Is this still a crime? I don't know much about hunting, other than this is about the time that it is done. Do people hunt foxes? It sounds as though whoever did this knew what they were doing. Fox fur is used in clothing mfg. to trim jackets and coats. How were these animals killed? Were there signs of trapping? I still think who did this needs to be punished. This is what gives hunting a bad name.
Carl W
5:30 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
One good point, that's really what's on all our minds: were they skinned alive? Here, they make no mention of then being shot/killed FIRST, in anyway. That what were surely most sickened by.
Skinned alive is even worse than those in th northwest, & Alaska, who are just shot from planes, for sport, & left to die.
Carl Stevenson
7:02 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Carl W. ...nothing is shot from planes for sport. Wolves have been shot by professional hunters FOR THE STATE in Alaska to control problem populations. Feral pigs are sometimes shot from choppers in some places in the south because they ar SO overpopulated and are decimating crops and attacking people.
These are management hunts by professionals, not hunts for sport, and are sanctioned by the responsible stat agencies in accordance it's the law.
Please don't propagate ridiculous anti-hunting falsehoods.
7:18 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012
OMGoodness! These poor babies! I am wondering if this done by a hunter , aren't they legal obligated to dispose of the carcass properly?
Heather Depew
9:30 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012
I think it is still animal cruelty and it should be a punishable offense. If they can do this to any animal, they can do it to a person.
9:45 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012
People are sick! I just do not understand how humans can be so heinous.
jane brooks
3:26 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
People are sick!!!! It is still abuse. They should be lock up for leaving them there like that. Smh
8:24 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I would sugest changing the headline in the article referring to the animals as puppies.....
Mary Ann Vought
8:44 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Still trying to find out if this is related to the young deer that had been skinned to the bone, which I saw on the side of Spring Drive in Upper Saucon on Saturday/Sunday.
Carl Stevenson
7:08 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I didn't see the deer carcass you refer to, but suspect it was most likely road kill (or a coyote kill) that was eaten to the bone. It doesn't take long for even one big coyote, much less a pack, to pick the, pretty clean. Even a large dog or two could do it.
Diane Berl
8:55 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Just because they weren't domestic animals, this still should be considered a crime. Just because they were wild doesn't make this less henious!
Mrs. Mangione
9:53 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Foxes are legal to harvest with a fur taker's license. HOWEVER, to dispose of the carcass in such matter IS quite disturbing! Come on people, if taking furs is your forté, be responsible! I also want to say that the original puppy headline made me sick, puppies are family pets. Foxes are small game and are population controlled by hunters with strict limits (assuming the laws are followed) IF they were harvested illegally, the game warden in this area will not have mercy.
Mark Jamison
10:15 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Oh yes! The local game warden will make this offender rue the day he was born!
No offense to the conservation officer, which is the proper term, they are over worked and under payed but the chances off catching this pin head are slim and the penalties minimal. Not to mention the the fact that they are dealing with someone so brain dead and insensitive to life as to think trapping is a viable activity. We can argue population control and manage ment technique till the cows come home but there is not nor has there ever been a logical argument for trapping any animal by any means to supply the vanity market of wearing fur.
Crestor Januvia
3:04 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
You harvest corn, you kill foxes. What an f'ing stupid term.
Mark Jamison
9:58 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Why is this so hard to figure out? Tapping season opened Oct 21. These were legally "harvested" fox. "Legally harvested" means the stepped in a legally placed leg hold trap, waited in agony for a day or two and then watched as the licensed sportsman known in the vernacular as a "fur taker" walked up and clubbed them in the head being careful not to damage the fur. The furs aren't very valuable anymore because most off those "thinking" types out there won't wear fur but he (or she) is doing their part to preserve a proud Pennsylvania tradition. The Pa. Game Commission has an outstanding " youth " trapper program that indoctrinates children into the joy of trapping long before they begin to think for themselves and I'm sure it covers proper disposal of bodies. Who knows, maybe this persons inconsiderate choice of discarding the bodies in a park where a passerby may inadvertently be offended by the reality of what is going on around them is a direct result of our failure to get young people into a program like the the one offered by the Game Commission before it' too late.
Ron Beitler
10:02 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
You can hunt fox they are considered varmints/pests and kill wild turkey population and eat livestock...You can hunt fox til mid Feb I believe and there is no limit. That being said....A licensed hunter DOES NOT leave skinned carcasses in a bag in a public park. If they were shot in the township with a firearm thats also illegal. You can only hunt archery here our area is now too populated for firearms. I don't hunt fox but I have friends who do small game. Not only do you need a hunting license but also a furtaker license I believe meaning you have to take classes.
And again, leaving skinned carcasses in a public park means most likely this was not a licensed hunter.
We have to figure out if the animal caught north was a Coyote. Again, dumping it on the side of the road... inexcusable.
Carl Stevenson
7:16 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I don't know what township you're in, but local regulation of firearms is prompted by state law. Of course, there are rules rewarding safety zones around occupied buildings, shooting across roads, etc. that must be obeyed, but a total local prohibition would seem illegal under state preemption.
Crestor Januvia
3:06 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I don't care if you have a license or not, or whether you disposed of the bodies in a "responsible" manner. If you kill foxes for their fur, you are a stupid douche moron.
Fae Danner
11:24 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I will never understand the ability of hunters to cause suffering by trapping. I understand that populations of wild animals must be controlled but, I wish to God, that I didn't have to read about it. I refuse to believe that there aren't more practical methods of control and that they are not utilized in order to pander to the preferences of "hunters." I, so often, think about the philosophy of being able to judge a country by the way in which it treats its animals. If the shoe fits, I guess the entire world needs to wear it. (Yes, I know history and all about how people sustained their lives by killing animals; and that the same is true today. But can't we find a more humane way of adjusting these methods?) I'm a retired RN. Would you like me to publish some detailed stories of the suffering I observed as people died? And that was while we were trying our best to do our best to make them as comfortable as possible. I know you would NOT! I understand this over-the-top sensitivity is my problem to deal with; but I am appalled by the insensitivity of so many humans! And this doesn't even include those who intentionally inflict pain and suffering because they are "sick" and kill for the "fun" of it! And if you are a hunter, castigate me for my attitude if you must, but don't attempt to explain "the other side" because I've heard it all before!
jackson black
11:37 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Oh boy...whoops..no satanic sacrifices or jeffrey dahmer type walking the streets..Foxes are vermin and dangerous...
They were skinned for their hide...no laws were broken...Everyone should remain calm and sip your latte...
Fae Danner
12:41 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Jackson, I don't drink latte but, just perhaps, I might consider it. It's surely better than getting myself upset over things that have already occurred and over which I have no control anyway. Thanks for the great suggestion!
Carl Stevenson
5:45 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
You can't reason with the PETA wackos, tree-huggers, and fanatical vegans. To them, animals are, perversely, more important than people and it makes them "feel good about themselves" to be "better" than us "barbarians" who engage in such "primitive" activities as raising farm animals for food, hunting, and eating meat. They are (choose to be) ignorant of the facts surrounding animal husbandry or wildlife management. They ignore the fact that hunters spend billions of dollars every year on wildlife conservation and are the primary means of support for the overwhelming majority of conservation efforts, government and private.
Wildlife control is necessary for the good of both humans and the wildlife. WIthout sufficient natural enemies, without hunting/trapping, most species will overpopulate to the point where there will be a huge die-off due to starvation and/or disease.
Most of those folks won't "get it" unless/until their pets start disappearing and/or their children are bitten (or worse) by foxes, coyotes, etc. Foxes, coyotes, skunks, groundhogs, cats, and bats are rabies vector species ... and the series of shots required if bitten or scratched by one is NOT pleasant and is very expensive, but necessary since rabies is virtually 100% fatal once contracted. Rabies also spreads more readily when the vector species populations get too large because of insufficient controls, adversely affecting the animal population as well as the human population.
Carl Stevenson
5:50 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Anyone who caught 11 foxes knew what they were doing because they're not easy to get. If they deliberately disposed of them by the park where they were found, they violated the law regarding disposal of the carcasses. However, it's entirely likely that they were disposed of elsewhere and some other hungry critter (maybe even someone's family dog that they let roam freely) fished them out of the trash or dug them up and dragged them to where they are found.
More below on "the horrors of hunting/trapping" for the benefit of all who care to actually base their reaction on facts rather than fuzzy-feel-good emotionalism.
11:42 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
This act was pathetic no matter what type of animal it was..We ar a sick people if we condone this in any manner..
Opre Garga
2:32 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
I am so offended by this. I'm going to put on my fox fur coat and march right down to the local PETA office.
Rob Hamill
5:14 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
How many of the animal lovers here are hypocritical meat eaters?
Crestor Januvia
3:09 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
Killing an animal to eat it is one thing. I have no issue with hunting deer. Killing foxes, 11 at a time, for their fur makes that person a stupid douche bag.
jackson black
6:51 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
P.E.T.A. means People eating tastey animals...Our society has become so pathetic..tree huggers and green this and green that..free healthcare,bailouts for everyone...waaaaawaaaa, these poor foxes,the inhumanity...ohh wait, they are not human...whatever...grow up people..
Carl Stevenson
7:18 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
You beat me to it on what PETA stands for :-)
Venison, turkey, rabbit, squirrel ... Yum, yum.
12:06 pm on Tuesday, December 4, 2012
Who taught you what PETA stand for? PETA stands for "people for the ethical treatment of animals". I do agree some of the hunting arguments people come up with are stupid, especially when they think they are doing much better buying their meat at a grocery store and buying meat that comes from factories after it has been pumped with growth hormones, overcrowded, and poisoned till death. And the vegans, won't even go there with them, they will basically tell you that you hae all animals, even pets, if you eat meat because you support factory conditions, yet they by their dogs and cats factory made pet food.
jackson black
6:53 pm on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Have a steak people...oh wait..steak was a living creature...ok, have some asparagus..
rick troxell
2:22 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
It appears both sides of this arguement are well represented here so far. It started out though as an article accusing someone or group of some weird act. Apparently not so. 11 fox in one bag.obviously a good fur-taker. Found in a public park (the carcasses).At this point with no explanation as to how they got there causing a flurry of finger pointing and accusation. Hopefully they ended up in the park innocently. As hunting is a viable part of our heritage as the human animal. Meat eater or vegan I hope we all agree this should never have happen or will again.
11:42 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
I am an animal lover, however, I aggree with the need to hunt, if you are going to do it legally and actually for the purpose of population control, vermin control or for food. But discard of the carcasses appropriately. If you are just hunting for sport, then the animals should have guns too. Fair is Fair. I know some of the people like the "Sport of Hunting", but it can still be a sport, without being inhumane or insensitive to others in the area, who may not agree with your beliefs. Bury it it or dispose of it properly in a bag in a secured trash can.
Carl Stevenson
7:11 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
I agree with you completely. If someone dumped the fox carcasses illegally, they should be punished as the law specifies. If they were appropriately disposed of and some animal dug them up and dragged them there, the trapper has been wrongly vilified.
Mark Jamison
8:34 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Yes, you can shoot an animal in a humane manner resulting in little or no suffering. Conversely, you can not catch an animal by it's foot in a trap, have it languish there for up to 36 hours and not create an incredible amount off suffering pure and simple.
This isn't about taking your guns away or hugging those awful trees or even being a vegan. It's about recognizing that trapping is an outdated, indefensible and unnecessary practice that should be abolished. As for the "conservation" issue I would suggest that very few participants in this activity give a rat's ass about population control or any other convenient justifications and would walk away from the practice if the money wasn't there.
11:48 pm on Wednesday, November 28, 2012
By the way, here is one of the laws regarding the killing of wildlife in PA.
PA - Furtaking - Subchapter D. Furtaking Regulations
34 Pa.C.S.A. § 2361 - 2364
These Pennsylvania statutes make it unlawful to take, kill, wound, capture or possess any furbearers except during open season and without a permit. It is also illegal to set traps closer than five feet from a den, use a pole trap, deadfall, poison, explosive, chemical, leg-hold trap with teeth on the jaws, to smoke out or dig out any den, to set or place a cage or box trap in the water, or use any trap unless tended every 36 hours and all animals are released or removed. A violation relating to bobcat or otter is a summary offense of the fourth degree; other violations are a summary offense of the fifth degree.
Many more animal laws can be found at: www.animallaw.info ; www.agriculture.state.pa.us ; and www.Animal-Law.lawyers.com - these are some great websites to actually find the laws on domestic and wilflife animals, instead of just speculating.
Fae Danner
6:39 am on Thursday, November 29, 2012
Kaos8: Two excellent comments! Opinions are certainly what blogging is about but you were the smartest of us all -- you actually provided valid information, with a site to further explore. What a refreshing approach!


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12:47 pm on Friday, December 21, 2012
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I recently upgraded to KDE4 and it has been working well; however, I discovered that it exhibits the same "flickering" when attempting to watch video and trouble with GL screensavers that I found when trying to use Compiz in KDE3. It appears to be a problem with the current ATI driver (ati_8) in the repositories and compositing.
After reading some other posts in the forums, I had found that some people were having luck with the ati_9 driver in the testing section of the repositories (but they had not indicated whether they were using KDE4). I decided to give the testing driver a shot, and it did work at getting rid of the flickering in video
, but I've found that it has other (and more serious to me) issues
. I noticed that I had a lot of CPU usage while the desktop was idle (nothing open other than the compsiting-enabled desktop and a karamba widget) which I discovered was caused by X - usage was at about 75-80% on one core. I also found that trying to test using glxgears caused that app to hang with a blank screen. I then went on to check the settings within the KDE control center; choosing any of the choices under Look & Feel -> Desktop (such as Desktop Effects, Sceen Saver, etc) would cause the system to more-or-less hang. The mouse cursor showed a busy status, and you could move it around, but nothing could be clicked and nothing ever happen; I had to Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to regain control of the computer. I tried again after a reboot, but still with the same results.
I've decided to revert back to the current (ati_8) driver for now since those issues aren't as severe, but I wanted to know if anyone else is having success with an ATI video card with KDE4 compositing (and if so, how is yours set up). I also wanted to make those issues known that I had with the driver within testing.
My personal setup is ATI Radeon HD 3200 through onboard video (AMD 780 chipset). I am using the "radeonhd/fglrx" driver, which is identified as "ATI Radeon HD 2000 and later"; 3D and translucency are enabled. I have not modified my xorg.conf in any way, it is how XFdrake had configured it; if you'd like me to post it, just let me know.
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Helloooooo, bigdav1178. I'm running the ATi HD3650 AGP flawlessly. That said, when you make your video card selection in PCC Graphical setup, I believe you have two choices listed as HD2400. I selected the second one to indicate HD. Also, you might want to try a newer kernel. I'm using the 18.104.22.168 , also available in testing. If you choose to do so, there are 4 steps required(for me anyway). The steps in order i used are as follows. Bare with me as I'm not in PCLinOS as I write this.LOL.
1)PCC services and find dkms, it will show it as running. click on it anyway and let it reset.
2) Synaptic repo. and search for: glibc. install it.
3) locate kernel 184.108.40.206 and click on install.
4) locate kernel 188.8.131.52-devel and install it too.
5) last I selected the ati_9x driver.
This procedure worked for me. After it is all done you need to go back into PCC services to activate the ati driver. Upon initial reboot it hung. I just did a restart and watched it install in "verbose" it takes it's sweet time.LOL. Hope this work's.
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Well, I reinstalled the testing driver again and attempted using both the radeon/fglrx and radeonhd/fglrx configurations, but both still have the problem of freezing the system up when I try going into the Look & Feel > Desktop choices. (I didn't try glxgears this time.) I did notice that X wasn't running high on CPU cycles this time, so that was apparently something else causing it previously. Another thing I noticed was that the freezing problem was not actually associated with compositing; the problem still existed even after I had disabled compositing.
I did not try out using the testing kernel with the newer driver yet; I'm a bit afraid of breaking something by using it. It's not that hard reverting the system back to the previous video driver, but I'm a little more fearful of having to revert back to the previous kernel in the event that it doesn't work properly. (If this wasn't my regularly used system, I may be more open to trying it out, but I wouldn't want to bork this machine.) If I get a bit more couragous, I may try it then; but as of right now, I'll probably wait for the kernel to be released from testing.
I do find it strange that you are able to use that driver without problems, while it causes the freeze-up for me within the KDE4 KCC - I wouldn't think the kernel would play a part in that; perhaps some other updated library file??? Anyway, thanks for the suggestion, I appreciate it.
For now, I'm back to the ati_8 driver. Any other thoughts / suggestions from anyone?
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Tried out the ATI release of their driver (version 10.1) - wow, that was quite an adventure. It ended up crashing kwin, and no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to clear up. I finally removed the ATI driver and attempted to reinstall the driver from the nonfree repo, but even that didn't want to install properly (it seemed to keep using the xorg driver rather than the proprietary one). After about an hour or so worth of fighting, I did finally get the ati_8 driver working again.
In all my fighting with the system, I did find a setting within the KDE Control Center that allows me to run compositing and still have flicker-free video using the old driver. Within Look & Feel > Desktop > Desktop Effects, I discovered you can change the compositing type under the Advanced tab. Using XRender, rather than OpenGL, I found that compositing will work without causing the video problems I see under OpenGL. The only trade-off I've discovered is that it won't allow me to run the desktop cube, and it appears to make the desktop effects run a little less smoothly / slower.
Still looking for any other suggestions. Until then I may try a few more things - I still don't believe the ATI driver installed right, I might try it again (when I feel like fighting with this thing) - but I believe that will wait for another day.
Also, since the ati_8 driver really only appears to have problems with OpenGL - if anyone has any tips on that, I'd appreciate those suggestions too.
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The Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene is investigating the cosmetic surgery center over three serious infections linked to liposuction.
The Timonium Monarch Med Spa has been shut down by the Maryland Department of Health and Mental Hygiene after three cosmetic surgery patients received serious infections.
One of three individuals diagnosed with the Streptococcus (GAS) infection after receiving liposuction has died, according to a release issued Wednesday afternoon. The other two patients were hospitalized.
UPDATE (1:40 p.m.)—The University of Maryland Medical System's infection control unit reported the three cases to the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene on Monday, according to the order to cease operations (see attached).
"On September 18, 2012, investigators from the Department of Health and Mental Hygiene and the Baltimore County Department of Health inspected the facility at 9608 Deereco Road and observed probable deviations from standard infection control practices, among other potential deficiencies," the order goes on to say.
UPDATE (2:10 p.m.)—A spokeswoman from the Baltimore County Department of Health Public Information Office could not elaborate on the specifics of what was found at Monarch, citing an ongoing investigation.
The order, signed by Health Department Secretary Joshua M. Sharfstein and Baltimore County Health Officer Gregory Wm. Branch concluded that "conditions at the Monarch Med Spa facility ... endanger the public health and that all operations at the facility should cease until the cause of the public health has abated."
Monarch performed the surgeries between mid-August and mid-September, according to the release.
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- Progressive dizziness, weakness and confusion
About 10 to 15 percent of patients diagnosed with the infection die, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
"Cosmetic surgery centers in Maryland are not currently subject to state licensure," the release states. "In the near future, DHMH will seek public comment on potential approaches to oversight of these facilities."
Monarch Med Spa is located at 9610 Deereco Rd Lutherville Timonium, MD 21093.
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Can you provide an address for this business? Is there only one location in the state of Maryland? Is this the one in Timonium?
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Monarch Med Spa is located at 9610 Deereco Rd Lutherville Timonium, MD 21093.
Mike Fisher
1:15 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
This may sound crude, but it's hard to have too much sympathy for those who choose plastic surgery procedures like these kinds. It is extremely painful and the risks are high for blood clotting especially in the pelvic and thigh area due you not being able to move around after the surgery as well as many other complications. Besides, the effects of lipo will only be temporary unless you change your diet and routine as well. Gastric bypass surgery seems to be far more successful when it comes to people who HAVE to lose a lot of weight and keep it off.
There are always risks with surgery and bacteria like streptococcus, staph and other nasty bacteria are always on everyone's skin just waiting for a cut or something to get into. Doesn't happen often, but obviously, the risks go up when you get sliced open. Death is a risk factor with these types of surgery as with all major, invasive surgeries. The deaths are sad, for sure, but I'm just going to go ahead and assume that these three people were obese and their bodies were already under a lot of stress before the surgery. Just more unnecessary surgical procedures, or should I say, the wrong kind of surgery. Gastric bypass is the one you get if you're obese and serious about losing weight slowly and keeping it off.
Death is an unfortunate side effect from surgery especially like these kinds. I sort of feel like.. what's the issue? Is there evidence of negligence involved?
1:26 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
because eating less and getting anything resembling exercise is sooooo hard...
fat America, looking for the easy way out.
Mike Fisher
1:42 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
To be fair, obesity has a significant genetic factor. My dad, aunt and cousin are obese with the two latter either having diabetes or being very close to it. I have to watch my weight as well. Some people can eat as much as they want and never put on a pound while others put on 5-10 pounds from eating fast food once a month. When something like this is genetic, it is usually resistant to exercising. Gastric bypass just makes the stomach smaller which makes you eat less. As far as I know, it's highly successful in these kinds of situations, but of course, there's always risk factors.
Mike Fisher
1:45 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Liposuction is the quick fix, but it also requires changes in your lifestyle and eating habits or all the weight will come back and losing that much weight in such a short time puts a LOT of stress on the body since the entire procedure is a completely unnatural way to lose weight Losing 100 pounds in one day? That's rough. Gastric bypass allows you to lose weight at a slower rate and it's a permanent fix.
2:07 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Still, most people in America who are fat/obese are by choice - explicit or implicit. There really isn't much difference in my eating habits between my normal weight and +15 lbs. It took me about 6 months to lose the 20 pounds I lost about 18 months ago. The differences themselves are many but individually tiny, and require me to stick to a logical (self-created) program and allowing myself down time from it on the weekend. I give myself 36 hours over the weekend to eat/drink guilt free.
When I happen to go 2 lbs over my desired range, I instantly crack down and I'm back within range within 2-3 days.
In fact, I keep telling myself I should lose another 5-6 lbs to really lean up, but again, no one's immune from not wanting to do the work necessary, especially when you're in your 35+ range. It was easier to be motivated when I didn't like what I saw in the mirror back then.
Now, I'm also not a doctor and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is quite a bit of adult onset diabetes comes specifically from being obese. My mother is actuall an example of this. She finally lost much of the weight in the past year, and (magically) her diabetes just went away.
Losing weight the right way is tough, really tough. Diet is a lifetime activity, not a situational one.
3:01 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Mike -
I personally know the woman who was the tragic victim from this procedure. I'm not sure if you read the article as well as you should have, or perhaps you are just a judgmental type, but the article clearly states that the medi spa did not follow standard infection control procedures. THIS is the issue here, not that the VICTIM chose to have a procedure that may have put them at risk from complications.
The victim who died was loved my her family, friends and co-workers. I find your comments cold and callous. I'm aware you are entitled to your opinion, however, your opinion stinks.
Mike Fisher
3:11 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Sorry for your loss Brenda and since that's the case, they should be liable. However, she knew the risks just like everyone else does when they have plastic surgery. People die from complications of these kinds of surgeries all the time. If they didn't adhere to proper procedures, certainly it does fall on them.
Of course, just about everyone who dies was loved by their family, friends and co-workers. The surgical procedure she chose is one of high risk, however. If there's negligence, that's a whole other mass of complexes, but more people die from complications of liposuction than any other form of plastic surgery. It is extremely traumatic to the body and is quite easy to get infections and blood clots that cause death from such procedures.
All her family, friends, co-workers and even herself should know this before doing such a dangerous surgical procedure. Was it done to save her life or just to lose weight? Have you ever seen liposuction being performed before? It is a dangerous and risky surgery, more than any other form of plastic surgery. Negligence doesn't help, but even if everything is done "by the book", there is still a significant chance of death from complications and stress to the body. Again, sorry for your loss. Not cold or callous, just the truth about these kinds of surgeries.
Mike Fisher
3:17 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Infections, embolisms, lacerated or punctured organs, seroma, nerve damage, mismanagement of fluids, blood pressure dropping to dangerous levels, skin necrosis, toxicity from anethesia medication and so on. You are more likely to die from a liposuction procedure than you are from a car accident (per 100,000 people). You know the risks and you take them. It's not callous or cold to acknowledge the truth about how dangerous plastic surgeries are especially liposuction.
Jennifer Tanko
8:50 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Mike, have a heart. Don't belittle a lady who just lost someone close to her. Tact, dude.
Mike Fisher
9:02 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I'm not quite sure how I was belittling anyone any more than the person I was talking to was. No belittling, blunt maybe, but no intention to belittle. I apologize if I come across in that way.
Jennifer Tanko
9:07 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Just remember, things online come across as pretty harsh (maybe I do too). But I would argue that when someone says that they just lost someone close to them that the wrong response would be to post statistics about surgery and obesity. A brief "I'm sorry for your loss" will suffice. Remember, there's another feeling human on the other side of that internet!
Mike Fisher
9:16 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I see your point Jennifer. I was talking about this with Tim and she comes in and calls me cold and callous. I guess I can understand the purely emotional response, but I don't understand what was so cold and callous about anything I said before she chimed in. No need to attack me and being that I've debated about various topics on various forums over the last decade, that's where my mind goes pretty quickly; debating topics.
I don't find that cold or callous at all. Tim and I were just having a general discussion about obesity, diabetes, exercise etc... then suddenly, I'm cold and callous. I've said several times I'm sorry for her loss. I didn't know that it meant general discussion couldn't exist within the topic at hand, but not directed at the person who died or any of their family, friends or co-workers. I already said sorry if I came across that way.
Jennifer Tanko
9:29 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I would agree with that if this were an abstract article regarding a large-scale study or something more vague, but this is a news story about someone in your community who lost their life due to inappropriate practices. One important element of debate is appropriateness, and I'm not convinced this the venue for that conversation.
Instead, let's hope that the deceased's survivors are getting the support they need and that no one else's life is lost due to this establishment.
Thanks for responding to me! I hope you have a good night.
Mike Fisher
9:42 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Inappropriate practices, yes. I suppose I just view lipo as a "quick fix" for people who don't want to do the work needed and change their life. Instead, they risk their lives for the instant gratification which technology makes many people crave for. They don't want to wait or work towards a goal, they want it right away even if it means they risk their lives.
Of course, their obesity could have been risking their lives already. At any rate, have a good night yourself. I'll always reply to people. Thanks for being civil with me. Have a great day tomorrow and sleep well.
9:48 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Context over the internet is definitely a problem I run into occasionally as I'm a pretty direct person - yes, even in person (it's not just an internet persona).
However, being direct in person is a lot easier to pull off in personal conversation specifically because of how you deliver what you say.
2:42 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
I'm sorry anyone needed to lose their life over this. For whatever reason folks had it done, they trusted the facility and the lack of good infection control practices there makes them liable. There are inherent risks to this type of procedure including death that patients are well aware of going in, but there is no excuse for not being clean and sterile.
Mike Fisher
3:02 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Obesity certainly does increase the risk, but my uncle died of diabetes and he was not obese. A childhood friend of mine's father was diabetic and he wasn't obese, but his son is (we kind of grew apart, but I went to his wedding) and I think he is diabetic as well. I take chromium picolinate every day for diabetes prevention plus I try to eat better. I don't really eat much as it is, but obesity and diabetes are largely a genetic thing. All the crap food we have to eat only compounds the problem.
9:53 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Understood MIke (there goes that internet context again). Diabetes is definitely a standalone disease from obesity, I only intended to say that if you are obese it increases your probability of getting one type of diabetes.
and spot on about the crap food. If a nutritionist graded my own personal diet, I wouldn't exactly get straight A's either. No soda, very little sweets, few 'snacks' in the junk sense...however I'm still eating things like egg and cheese bagels for breakfast many days.
I just focus on varying calorie intake to keep my metabolism from getting used to the same intake (it's why starvation diets largely stop after a while), and maintaining a good ratio of protetin/carbs/fat. I also stack the majority of my caloric intake before 3pm every day. One of the many dietary things Europe has right is the concept that lunch should be the biggest meal of the day.
Rachael C
6:03 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Mike, I must say that your knowledge on chronic disease is less than collegiate and hardly worthy of mentioning on this or any other forum. Your opinions of these unfortunate patients procedures and those regarding gastric bypass surgery are both inaccurate and crude. You have opted to use the misfortune of others to spew your thoughts on why people do various things, eat various things, etc. which are likely far from the truth. The fact is that someone walked into this business aware of the possible, but generally unlikely, risks and were given a false sense of security. There are risks in every decision. Even a simple dental cleaning can turn fatal if the circumstances are there. Hopefully you have visited GNC for a nutraceutical to prevent that too.
My heart goes out to the victim. Several years ago I lose a friend to a fatal blood clot following liposuction. I hope that the friends and family of the deceased eventually find comfort in their memory.
Mike Fisher
7:58 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Yeah, because the sources I showed to prove my point are just opinions from people who don't know what they are talking about especially the FDA. What do they know, right?
My thoughts on why people do or eat various things? I post sources to back up what I say. The more fat you remove, the more procedures that are done at the same time, the greater the risks. To say "my knowledge on chronic disease" is less than collegiate would be like saying doctors, the FDA and available information is all incorrect. I don't "spew" about things I know nothing about, but thanks. You comparing invasive surgery like liposuction to a dental cleaning is a pretty bizarre and lopsided comparison. People don't die from dental cleanings. Liposuction is not a way to lose weight *safely* while studies done this year show that gastric bypass surgery is safe enough to use even on teenagers and it is generally more effective for people who are genetically prone to obesity. I would say the risks of living in obesity is more dangerous than any surgery, but gastric bypass seems to be the future of combating obesity.
As far as I know, the state of Maryland doesn't even license cosmetic surgery centers which seems to mean no oversight of such facilities. I do find it ironic that you question my information, but you compare a routine dental cleaning with invasive surgery. Kind of laughable, really. I already said, twice, I am sorry for the loss. She should have been on anti-bios right away, but guess not.
Rachael C
9:29 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
If dental cleanings posed no risk then prophylactic antibiotics would not be given To patients at risk for endocarditis...contact the American Dental Association if you are still unsure. Having personally worked with physicians who perform gastric bypass surgery I can assure you that it is not a walk in the park. Yes, it can be performed on teenagers but only when the risk of not having it greatly out weighs the benefits. It is not permanent nor a simple thing. For it to be effective in the long term it requires a life long commitment to major dietary changes. You can stretch the pouch and the surgery can and often fails. Lipo is cosmetic, not a solution to weight loss...but GBS is not for most either.
Mike Fisher
9:39 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
That's the thing, many people want the quick fix. They don't want to change their diets or anything.
That was over 10 years ago where success rates for GBS, IBS and VBS were studied. Some people had complications, but even back then, the results from IBS were 96% and this was a long term study. Are you saying it's worse now? Kind of hard to believe that.
9:58 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Rachael C:
See, I didn't want to post this yesterday, because I wasn't 100% sure of this. I had heard this was the reality but it was not based on any fact.
Linda Rogers (Lynne)
9:14 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Most of these are silly posts......Liposuction is a procedure often touted as both "safe and painless". In reality it is neither. When patients become seriously ill from the procedure and hospitals alert regulators to investigate-who close down that facility, that safe and painless procedure signifies those harmed were subjected to something akin to having kerosene placed on a lit stove. However could such a victim be said responsible?
Mike Fisher
9:27 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Liposuction is also never covered by insurance companies, assuming they never deem it a "necessary procedure." This is plastic surgery and you take your risks. You're right, liposuction is not "safe and painless", it is actually quite risky, hardly safe and extremely painful. I think you pick your poison. Infections like these are one of the many side effects, including death, from this procedure and these things can happen even when everything is done "by the book."
If there was in fact negligence, which seems entirely possible, the victim shouldn't be held responsible for that negligence, but the reality is the infection and ultimate, untimely death of the victim could have happened even if everything went smoothly. This is an unnecessary, voluntary procedure that is neither safe or painless as you said. You take the risks: sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Unfortunately in this case..........
You know people who weigh 175 pounds use lipo just to lose 20 pounds? It's the most common plastic surgery procedure and is chosen over lifestyle changes and other, more natural means of losing the weight. I suppose that is how I could sound "callous and cold."
The real question is: do the health risks from your current weight outweigh the risks of the liposuction procedure?
Mike Fisher
9:46 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Modern medicine is the leading cause of death in this country already. Why so many people voluntarily put themselves at risk of dangerous procedures that are not deemed necessary by anyone but the patient is beyond me. I suppose I should stop talking before I get flamed again.
Linda Rogers (Lynne)
10:52 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Sorry, but it is a misconception that food causes bloating. Rather, stress and cortisol cause fat to resist exercise, proper diet and even liquid diets. Secondly, the allure of liposuction isn't it's a quick fix but, in our culture anyway, a procedure fastidiously promoted as an alternative. In other words it is readily acceptable that what one isn't born with can be purchased. The detriments are downplayed and the pro's are listed at around 100 to 1. With odds like that who seriously believes the procedure can kill?
Mike Fisher
12:39 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012
The odds of dying from a liposuction procedure, either during the operation or due to complications afterwards (infections, embolisms etc.) are higher per 100,000 people of dying in a car accident. It can and does kill.
Fat cells are like balloons that fill up as they store fat. All liposuction does is suck out the full fat cells leaving "deflated balloons", which fill up again because the person doesn't change their lifestyle. It is certainly viewed as a quick fix, it's certainly not a long term fix.
People are obsessed with their appearances to the point that they would do this. Unless their medical condition is serious enough to warrant this type of surgery, it shouldn't be done. Anyone could walk in and want liposuction and get it, all you have to do is ask. We live in a world where people want instant gratification and instant results, but don't want to do any of the work. Liposuction is just one example, but I would say all plastic surgery falls under this category to some extent. Liposuction is a "quick fix" just like these dangerous diet pills we have on the market today that also kill people. They are linked to internal bleeding, liver disease or failure, strokes and many other complications.
Liposuction and diet pills are nothing more than quick fixes, sorry, but that's all they are. They are instant gratification, who cares if it's healthy or not? Not too many apparently.
Mike Fisher
12:42 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012
..many other complications including death....


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