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If Birth Control Curbs Abortions, Is It OK? St. Louis Study Shows Link
A Washington University study in the St. Louis area shows a decline in abortions when contraception was readily available.
For Catholics, a fundamental part of the doctrine is this: Neither abortion nor birth control are acceptable.
So much political debate centers on that fundamental part of Catholic or otherwise conservative philosophy: How much control should mankind assume over the bringing of life into the world?
Now we have word, reported on University City Patch on Friday and other outlets this week as well, that a Washington University study—known as the Contraceptive Choice Project—links access to affordable or free birth control to a decline in abortion rates in the St. Louis area.
The study notes that abortion rate in the St. Louis area declined by more than 20 percent in the St. Louis area between 2008 and 2010, while other parts of the state not covered by access to free birth control did not see a decline.
The Huffington Post's report notes "the abortion rates among among all participants ranged from 4.4 to 7.5 per 1,000 women over the two-year period, substantially lower than the national rate of 19.6 abortions per 1,000 women in 2008."
"The impact of providing no-cost birth control was far greater than we expected in terms of unintended pregnancies," said lead author Jeff Peipert, MD, the Robert J. Terry Professor of Obstetrics and Gynecology. "We think improving access to birth control, particularly IUDs and implants, coupled with education on the most effective methods has the potential to significantly decrease the number of unintended pregnancies and abortions in this country."
According to a video associated with the project, "Unintended pregnancy affects women and men of all ages and income levels. Teen mothers are less likely to complete their education and tend to end up or stay in poverty."
It goes on to note that unplanned babies tend to have lower birthrates and other health problems "that can affect them their whole lives."
According to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch report on the study:
The contraception project illustrates the potential impact of full insurance coverage of birth control under the Affordable Care Act, Peipert said. The controversial provision in the health care reform law requires contraception to be covered as a preventive service like vaccines and certain cancer screenings.
Legal battles continue in Missouri, where the Legislature voted last month to override Gov. Jay Nixon's veto of a bill that would allow employers to opt out of covering contraception in their insurance plans. Soon after, a women's labor group filed a discrimination lawsuit against the bill. A federal judge in St. Louis threw out this week a claim from a local business owner that the contraception requirement violates religious freedom.
Is birth control an acceptable alternative to unplanned pregnancies and abortions? Why or why not? Are you surprised by the findings of this study (read fuller reports by clicking the links)? Why do you think the subject of free access to birth control is so intertwined with our political debate? Should it be? Why or why not?
Donna C
6:34 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
First of all, I am catholic and I stand by what my faith teaches in every way. That is my right as a free citizen and my choice. But also as a citizen, I am a taxpayer and I do not want to have to have my tax dollars pay for everyones birth control or abortions. There are clinics that people who cannot pay for them may get them free. Why do all have to pay for just some who cannot afford birth control. And please don't tell me it is their right to get free birth control, it is their choice. I don't want to get into the abortion debate but one thing I will say is, why is it when a woman who is pregnant and is murdered, the murderer is charged with TWO deaths, BUT, if a woman wants to abort her baby it is her CHOICE. See the double standard there?
It is all about how much do we want government involved in our personal lives! And here is the funny thing, everyone is making it sound like you couldn't get them before this obamacare came in, they are available you just have to pay for them yourself! What a novel idea that is.
Maria Jansen
7:58 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I, too, am a Catholic woman who stands by the teachings of the Church, not just on some issues, but all of them. The Church is not a cafeteria or political party where you can pick which teachings you accept and which you reject. If you reject one, you are not in good standing with the Church. We have a responsibility to educate ourselves on the teachings.
For someone who is inclined to reject the teaching of the Church on contraception, I suggest reading Pope Paul VI's encyclical Humanae Vitae (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_25071968_humanae-vitae_en.html) and listening to "Contraception: Cracking the Myth" by Prof. Janet Smith, available to download mp3 here for $2.50 (http://www.lighthousecatholicmedia.org/store/title/contraception-cracking-the-myths).
It is not about being the minority/majority Catholic, but in good standing or not.
Earl Higgins
4:50 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
No one in any way is proposing to restrict Catholic's rights to their beliefs and teachings. To frame the argument this way is to play the religion card. This was a scientific study. It showed that one way to reduce abortions is to increase access to birth control.
Now, some, presumably because of religious beliefs, may find birth control as equally abhorrent as abortions. However, many in the mainstream probably don't find birth control in the least bit offensive. Many in the mainstream, even many of the pro-choice side of the debate, would be quite happy with reducing the number of abortions in the world. This study points to one way to accomplish that goal. Now, what exactly is wrong with that?
Please don't muddy the waters by crying about how you are being forced to pay for birth control. That has absolutely nothing to do with this study.
11:14 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Isn't it also you CHOICE to believe in such nonsense as Christianity?
12:38 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
This study was funded by the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation.
Rebecca K
12:38 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
"There are clinics that people who cannot pay for them may get them free."
These programs are largely funded by tax dollars, right?
If you don't want to use birth control or have an abortion then don't. It is a religious objection, not a tax dollar objection. You have a right to your religious beliefs, but we have separation of Church and State in this country. Your anti-choice stance is a Church issue, not a State issue. Talking about tax dollars, how much does it cost society to support impoverished (usually) single mothers to take care of a kid they did not want in the first place? A LOT more than free birth control costs. I am very much in favor of social welfare programs, I would not want to social support network to further deteriorate. I would rather supply free birth control (or abortions) than pay with my tax dollars for free or reduced school lunches, food stamps, section 8 housing, state subsidized daycare in the foster care system, perhaps incarceration of people being brought into this world by ill equipped parents who did not want (more) kids in the first place.
And by the way, forcing a woman who wants an abortion (whatever her reason) to have an invasive vaginal ultrasound is demeaning and is an assault physically and emotionally.
A woman's health decisions are private.
Elaine Nickton
7:28 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I agree that everyone has a choice but to make a decision solely based on religion is nothing more than narrow mindness. You are the minority catholic nowadays. I'm catholic and just because my religion dictates this thought does not mean I agree with it. I'm not a mindless robot I am an intelligent woman. Stand for what you believe but make a stand on your own terms when things just don't make sense anymore. Think for yourself & your closeness to god will grow greater than any Sunday mass you can ever attend. http://www.examiner.com/article/new-poll-obama-is-winning-the-catholic-vote
1:01 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
With due Respect,
You are a "Hypocrite" claiming you are Catholic. "thinking for yourself" gets you closer to GOD? (than any Sunday Mass?)
Abortion Is a personal matter , but Catholic Beliefs must not be "half-Catholic".
A choice for "religion" you have. But A choice to Abortion approlval does not come under Catholicism. You obviously believe you can be a Catholic and be "married" by a justice of the Peace. My you have just denied "GOD" and everything Catholics stand for. I have nothing against your Freedom to choose , your intelligence, your choice rights, but please don't call yourself a Catholic.
Jen Meehan
8:25 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
The issue isn't whether we can make an argument strong enough to convince the Catholic Church to change its position, or strong enough for the government to force them to act despite their position.
The issue is: Do we want "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion and the free exercise thereof" to mean that Congress cannot pass a law which forces people to act in opposition to their faith?
Already this morning, two different women, both professing the same faith, expressed different means of practicing that faith. That is their right, protected by the First Amendment...the right to worship the God we choose - or no God at all - in a manner that suits our consciences, without governmental authority imposing its own set of beliefs.
The HHS Mandate requires employers who provide medical insurance to include contraception, abortion-inducing drugs, and sterilization procedures in the insurance coverage, free of charge, for all employees. Both the U.S. Bishops and the official position of the Catholic Church state that these drugs/procedures offend their core religious beliefs, and to pay for them would violate their free expression of religion.
Does that matter? Is my "right" to the pill more important than their "right" to live their faith? Do we want our government to force organizations and people to act in direct conflict with their beliefs?
And, if we do, who gets to decide which religious beliefs are protected and which are not?
8:52 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Each individual is entitled to form their own beliefs and vote according to such, I know I certainly do, however, as the Catholic Church is not a political party as was astutely noted above, then perhaps it would do well to remember that and publicly stay out of politics.
Maria Jansen
9:22 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
You are of the "freedom to worship" mindset instead of "free exercise of religion" which is what our first amendment is actually about. That means freedom not only to worship the God of our choosing, but to practice our beliefs in all areas of our lives.
As citizens, part of our lives are lived in the political arena and we bring our beliefs with us, we don't check them at the door.
1:12 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Individuals in any group are controlled by "Laws" creted by People.
One's Religion does not mean they are not a political group.
They have a right to meet and discuss HOW any laws affect their faith.
Now, it was our President and congress that imposed Laws on Catholics and every other Religious faith Citizen in US.
Teachings from the Pulpit have much history in discussing "Morals" and Church teachings to it's members.
It is not Politics as you define it. If you want to publicly stay out of politics, then so be it.
You will continue to see All "Religions stolen right before your eyes".
Why? Because taking a Catholics money to pay for anothers' "non-religion Moral beliefs" is a loss of "Religious Freedom".
You better read that ten times.
Rockwood 25
4:52 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
@m jansen "freedom...to practice our beliefs in all areas of our lives"? Exactly where is that guaranteed? Think about it; it would cause real problems, i.e. eye for an eye, honor killings are milder more recent ones that come to mind. Free practice of religion where it does not interfere with the law of the land and others' rights is closer to reality, and as it should be. Your religion is not the only out there; be careful what rights you wish all Americans to have.
6:46 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Paul, as for your first paragraph, I agree with you completely. That is exactly what I means when I said people have the right to vote according to their beliefs. I wouldn't take that away from anyone. And I also agree that every church has the right to meet and discuss how any proposed laws will impact their beliefs. Again, we are 100% on the same page here. As far as the second paragraph, I don't know if I've read it 10 times, but I've read it more than once. I can see how my original post would be easily misconstrued and be interpreted as inflammatory. My apologies. I was not suggesting anyone check their beliefs at the voting booth, to do so would be asinine. What I was getting at is the way some churches organize and try to impose their agendas on political leaders in a very public and vocal way, that is the only thing that bothers me in the least. I don't know that we are talking about taking "a Catholic's money" to fund things with which they disagree. We are not talking about taking the money donated directly to churches to fund anything. We are talking about an employer providing benefits to its employees. That is the issue on the table as I see it. My apologies to you any anyone who felt my intent was to say that your beliefs should be left at the door. By all means, keep them with you and let them guide your life and decisions, as I will.
Tina Bridgeman
9:07 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
NO ONE should be able to tell us what we can or cant do with our own bodies. It is YOUR decision to be catholic and those views shouldn't be placed on others. The "double standard" you speak of really isn't a " double standard". The difference with an abortion is that's your own personal choice to have or not have a child. When someone gets charged with a double murder for killing a pregnant woman, her choice to have or not have the baby is being taken away from her. If everyone would stay out of everyone's personal business this world would be a better place. Who are you to tell someone they can or can't take birth control or have an abortion because of YOUR beliefs. That would be like someone or the government telling you that you can't practice your choice of faith. So now do you see who the double standard is actually coming from? Anytime you have a person who doesn't believe the exact same thing as you they are treated with such disrespect and not Christian like. If someone who is religious also believes its everyone's personal choice does that make them less of a catholic/religious? Of course it doesn't. You have no idea what that individual has been through in their lives and we are taught through religion not to judge. PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH!!!
Maria Jansen
9:39 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
"Who are you to tell someone they can or can't take birth control or have an abortion because of YOUR beliefs."
(Ignoring the implication that holding a belief and requesting that it be respected somehow interferes with the free will of others)
Running with that logic...
What if someone believed stealing was wrong and told someone else they shouldn't steal? Or what if a girl told someone they shouldn't kill her friend because she believes murder is wrong?
10:06 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Tina - Do whatever you want with your own body....just stop expecting it to be for "free". In other words, be a grown up and pay for your own contraception.
10:26 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Elizabeth, perhaps it is you who should grow up and not expect society to subsidize your faith in intergalactic undead zombie carpenters.
If a corporation (which any Church is, in the U.S.) decides to rely upon 501c3, it must exist within the limits of that designation. It's the law. You don't pick and choose because the corporate heads decide that certain biological facts are undesirable (including contraception). These corporations are free to preach all they like to their employees to not use contraception, but they can't force them to not use contraception under their plan.
Your concern for the corporation is touching, but let's be honest. You don't like contraception and your entire argument is about taking away the choice of others based on your belief in the Great Sky God. Don't want your money paying for contraceptives? Don't participate and pay out of pocket for everything.
As Mike K pointed out, where does your line of reasoning end? Shall Mormon groups prevent coverage of migraine treatments involving caffeine? BLASPHEMY!
Laura B.
3:31 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
OMG - Tina you are a liberal idiot. Choose and believe what you want. DO NOT help your liberal leaders pass laws that FORCE OTHERS who do not share your beliefs to violate their own by FORCING them to pay for your "choice". You have your choice. Fund it yourself. How do you NOT see the hypocrisy in your double standard comment??? Oh, wait, I forgot logic is not a liberal strong point. No one is forcing you to believe anything. Just stay out of our pockets! Btw, when the government forces Catholic organizations or Catholic citizens to fund birth control or abortions they ARE in fact telling them that they can't practice their choice of faith. How do you NOT see that??? Practice what YOU preach and stay OUT of everyone's personal business!!! Sorry for my anger folks, but I have no more tolerance left for this kind of rampant liberal stupidity. Look how it has damaged this country in just four short years. Disclaimer: I'm not Catholic, but I strongly believe the government needs to stay out of religious choice. That is stated clearly in our constitution and for good reason. The British knew what that meant, and they didn't want it here.
Earl Higgins
4:58 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
All this religious mudslinging and playing the victim has absolutely ZERO to do with the article. Have any of you even read the article or any of the links?
The study found one way to reduce abortions. Many consider that a good thing, maybe you don't, maybe you do.
I think most mainstream Americans on both the right and the left would like to reduce the number of abortions. Now, if people of one particular religious belief find the solution to the problem equally offensive, that is their right under the Constitution. But they can not just go around telling the rest of us what to do. Seriously, it's that simple!
Marie Medlin
9:33 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
The Catholic Church is the oldest Christian religion in the world.
When the Catholic Church was founded, there were no hospitals. Today, one out of five people in this country receive their medical care at a Catholic hospital.
When the Catholic Church was founded, there were no schools. Today, the Catholic Church teaches 3 million students a day, in its more than 250 Catholic Colleges and Universities, in its more than 1200 Catholic High Schools and its more than 5000 Catholic grade schools.
Every day, the Catholic Church feeds, clothes, shelters and educates more people than any other organization in the world.
The new Obama Health Mandate could end all this and the tax payers would have to make up the loss.
Also, all Catholic adoption services would come to an end. A human disaster.
Where would this country be if just the Catholic schools closed. They get no subsidy for their schools and if made to pay for contraception, abortion and sterilization, they could decide to close their doors instead of being forced to pay for these things as an employer. I always wonder where we would be if the Blessed Virgin Mary had an abortion - afterall,l she was a young teenager at the time.
10:21 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
From the SSM website - largest Catholic hospital system in the area (I believe) -hardly the doomsday renouncement of the affordable care act that Marie spewed:
" we are very encouraged that health insurance coverage has been expanded to 32 million Americans. SSM Health Care has long believed that all Americans have a right to basic health-care coverage necessary to live a healthy and productive life.
While it needs further refinement, the Affordable Care Act attempts to shift our health system away from a focus on disease and illness to a system that focuses on keeping people healthy, better managing chronic disease and coordinating care. We will continue to work to improve the ACA along with lawmakers and others who are dedicated to the goal of improving the health of all Americans."
I do agree about the many contributions to society that Catholic institutions have made. (of which I have contributed, and volunteered many hours in support). Thank goodness for those Nuns!
And, I can't speak for all these Catholic organizations, but the ones I worked with did NOT want to take over the entire social safety net. They want more government/tax help, NOt less. Ever heard of the Catholic preachings on Social Justice?
10:21 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Whoops, after reading Marie's last line - I regret responding. Where is Larry's stonekettle link that warns of the perils of reasoning with the unreasonable.
Mike K
9:08 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Just like the Catholic church is not a cafeteria plan, well guess what? Neither is insurance.
Men have been paying for women's healthcare, but we don't get to 'opt out' of the shared costs of Ob/Gyn medical services. That's how insurance works. And since when do companies (the Catholic Church as an employer) have 'religious rights'? They don't. People do. Specifically their employees. If the church wants the benefits of tax exemption, and gender discrimination in hiring practices, then this comes along as part of the deal, along with not participating in politics. Separation of church and state works both ways.
9:30 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
People can so attached to their views that they fail to see the real principles at work. A core issue here is do churches have the right to disregard any law they feel violates their tenants?
If so, what's to keep them from adopting tenants that serve whatever their views may be, however self-serving? A church could (and historically has) adopted the view that plural marriage is just fine. A church could assert that their members shouldn't have to pay any form of taxes whatsoever - federal, state, municipal, sales, etc. A church could assert there's no need for its members' children to be schooled at all, for women or minorities to have equal rights (there's nothing to stop the Taliban from creating a church in the US), and on and on. Not to pick on the Catholic Church, but what if it asserted a deeply held belief that their leadership has absolutely no obligation to report sex and other crimes committed by their clergy? Would this be viewed as legitimate separation of church and state?
Who can say what's a legitimate tenant, and what isn't? Certainly there are legitimate religions that do not object to birth control. No one church speaks exclusively for God, and not every word spoken is a transcendent truth. No one - not individuals, not corporations, not not-for-profits, and not churches - should have the right to disregard whatever laws they find disagreeable. Society would tear itself apart under such conditions.
Laura B.
3:42 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
There are too many laws, and the government interferes too much in our personal lives. This healthcare albatross is the hugest example of government overreach, and it needs to go.
9:36 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I disagree with Maria on the demand that we all believe everything the Church advocates. I am DEFINITELY in favor of the right to Life in every area but some other matters of church opinions I was taught (by priests, nuns, teachers and parents) that we as Catholics, have to right to use our God given gift of conscience.
For example: If the Church at one time agreed to slavery, to segregation, etc. am I a cafeteria Catholic for disagreeing? Heck no, it's better that I do disagree.
Please don't tell me I am any less a Catholic than you are but I do agree that on the basic life issues it is totally understandable that a Catholic would be against the intrinsic evils of abortion and euthanasia.
Just a quote, not from the bishops but from a famous scientist from our past:
"If we lose respect for any part of life, we lose respect for all of life." Albert Einstein
Let us all be in agreement to stand for Life and deal with helping those who are sexually active find responsible ways to respect Life, not using abortion for birth control!
Maria Jansen
9:52 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I fear you have misunderstood me. I did not say "everything the Church advocates" I said "Church teachings." Precision is important. I do not agree with everything every pastor, bishop or, for that matter, pope has said, but I, as faithful Catholics are called to do, uphold all official Church teachings.
Just to clarify for anyone who may have been confused with your comment about the Church and slavery... the Church at no time has held up slavery or segregation as a good (http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2003/julyweb-only/7-14-53.0.html), though certain clergy and individuals may have participated in it, which brought scandal to the Church. The same goes for anyone who professes to live the faith of the Church and proceeds to participate in activities contrary to the faith.
10:01 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Maria, that is a convenient distinction.
Please explain exactly what you consider "Church teachings." If a Bishop, or the Pope, offers interpretation is that not doctrine?
As to your link, it's not accurate. There are papal bulls issued that absolutely support slavery. This isn't a matter of interpretation. Look it up: Romanus Pontifex, Dum Diversas. You can't simply dismiss these as not being "teachings" because it's inconvenient to your argument.
Maria Jansen
10:46 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Caffeinated: There is no "convenient distinction". It is how the Church works.
Allow me to provide a couple links of for you regarding this...
More on the Church and Slavery:
Nicholas V refers to wars in Romanus Pontifex. Matters of war and imprisonment are prudential teachings, not infallible teachings.
11:33 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Use your words, Maria. I don't speak "link." Show me you understand your own position.
You: The Church never endorsed slavery. Link provided.
Me: Yes, they did. I provided two bulls that no only did just that, but were fortified with subsequent papal bulls and were in effect for the better part of 70 years.
You: there are "teachings" and, presumably, non-teachings.
Me: what does that mean?
You: more links, and introducing the "prudential teachings" versus "infallible teachings."
Precision is important, Maria.
Maria Jansen
11:54 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Caffeinated: LOL, I didn't know "link" was a language!
It is common practice to direct others to resources that support claims to keep things simple and keep posts readable.
From your other posts, I see that you are not at all interested in understanding the hierarchy of teachings of the Church, the history of the Church's position on slavery, you just want to fight.
I don't think that is very productive and I'd rather not waste any more of your time, or mine!
12:03 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
"I don't think that is very productive and I'd rather not waste any more of your time, or mine!"
Again, how convenient.
For those who don't know, Maria is misinformed on the history of her Church. The Catholic Church has sanctioned slavery over long periods of it's history for political, religious, and commercial reasons. This is a fact.
Papal Bulls are decrees from the Papacy (the Pope). These are not suggestions, they are decrees. Maria's never-ending string of distinctions are her rationalizing.
I would like to point out, I would also argue just as much for the right of anyone to worship anything they like. I literally don't care what your jam is, as long as it's lawful and doesn't infringe on my thing.
If my tone gets snarky, or disrespectful keep in mind I'm probably reacting to snark and disrespect.
Maria Jansen
12:17 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Ahhh, well. For the sake of others who may be mislead by "Caffeinated"'s false claims regarding the Catholic Church's teachings on slavery (you must not have looked at the links I provided)...
Read this: http://archive.catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9907fea2.asp
and be wary of those like "Caffeinated" who are not Catholic and despise the Catholic Church, yet claim to have full and true information about it's teachings and history.
12:30 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Yes, by all means, go to catholic.com for the unbiased and unabridged truth about the Catholic Church.
Since you love links so much, here's one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dum_Diversas
Don't trust Wikipedia? Fair enough, Google "Dum Diversas"
What part of this do you contest, Maria? It doesn't count because you say so? It is a part of the history of the Church. Fact.
Your links conveniently ignore this papal bull. Doesn't it make you wonder why?
And please don't presume to tell me what I despise. I'll make that judgement, thank you.
Rockwood 25
5:07 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
The teachings of the Catholic Church have changed many times over its life. Some "teachings" it has abandoned, only to be reinterpreted yet again and embraced by latter leadership. There are basic tenents that have not changed, but the ones you're discussing are not in that small group. Many of the Church's positions throughout history have been downright disgraceful. For nearly 50 years, seemed we were working toward being a more enlightened, tolerant Church. No more.
Lisa L
7:29 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I would like to point out that the link Maria provides us with the article about the Catholic Church and slavery is supplied by a Catholic website. Not exactly impartial.
11:51 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Such interesting points! Maybe the time is coming to start the discussion of ending tax exemptions for religious organizations. The Catholic Church certainly has weighed in on the political sphere - so perhaps it is time these entities participate fully. Could certainly help generate needed revenue for the country!
Maria Jansen
12:09 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Now, to be clear, are you are calling on removing tax exemptions for any tax-exempt entity that "weighs in on the political sphere" or just those involving organized religion? How about ACLU, PETA, or the myriad of other "non-religious" tax-exempt organizations that are constantly involved in forming legislation, picking court battles, lobbying, etc? Let's be fair, now.
12:05 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
This argument against effective birth control - even though it reduces abortion (as noted in the above article) has always been a difficult one for opponents of abortion to explain. Opposition to the "morning after" pill seems counterintuitive since it prevents a pregnancy from occurring. This makes me think the position is simply "anti-sexuality" rather than prolife. I recently listened to a conversation about this on NPR recently and a Catholic Church representative said that the Church doesn't recognize the sexual revolution of the 60's. The Chuch would rather keep sexuality in the realm of sin and shame fullness and only for creating new Church members. Hence the Church's view on homosexuality and masturbation. This is another area where science (and open minded people) have outgrown the archaic, misogynist, power and wealth hungry Church.
Maria Jansen
12:31 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I'm sorry to hear that you believe the Church thinks sexuality is shameful.
If you would truly like to understand the Church's beautiful, yet so often misinterpreted teachings on sexuality, I would recommend you getting any resources from Christopher West, who is an expert on JPII's Theology of the Body. The Church wishes to keep sexuality in the realm of the sacred. He compares misuse of the body to eating out of the dumpster, but proper use as eating at a banquet.
I believe the misinterpretation comes from those who want to do whatever they want to do and do not like anyone suggesting there is something wrong with it. If one doesn't like the teaching, one will most likely misrepresent it and try to attach all sorts of negative labels to it (ie "archaic, misogynist, power/wealth hungry...")
Again, I'm sorry you have been misinformed and I hope you take the time to find out what the church really teaches about sexuality.
A good starting place:
Laura B.
3:54 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Then don't be Catholic! It is your choice not to be. But Catholics have every right to their beliefs whether you agree with them or not. That is not the issue here. You folks think the Catholic church has no right to force their beliefs on anyone, and they don't, so why do you think it is ok for the demagogue religion that is the Federal Government has any right to force THEIR beliefs on Catholics????? Please explain yourself.
Rockwood 25
5:14 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Contraception is just that, a force to act against conception. It is not abortion as has been taught to many Catholics as I was taught. Whether the typical contraception "pill" or patch or morning after pill, they all work to disrupt the hormones or the uterus so conception does not take place. A condom does the same thing in a different way (obstruction). It's not appropriate to mix contraception with abortion.
Rockwood 25
5:16 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Missing throughout is the fact that "the pill" is not just used for contraception. Some women have issues that the hormones in the pill helps to control and control well. These women should not be denied their needed treatment because of others' issues with contraception.
Laura B.
6:01 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
My comments are directed toward the conversation here where folks are refusing to acknowledge that birth control for whatever use is not accepted by the Catholic church. That is the church's right and the government has no right to interfere. If this is an issue for you, then do not work for a Catholic organization. Simple. I'm not Catholic and do not personally have issues with the use of birth control. I was responding to the discussion at hand.
The Missourian
12:33 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
"Do we want "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion and the free exercise thereof" to mean that Congress cannot pass a law which forces people to act in opposition to their faith?"
The issue is: science is science. We teach (righly) evolution in our schools, and we should fund birth control. Catholicism is one of MANY religious denominations. Perhaps it is against my denomination to NOT cover these procedures. Ever think of that?
Deal with it.
11:19 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Implicit in the amendment is the language "FREEDOM FROM RELIGION."
And we need more of that.
1:40 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I guess we need a law that defines what "Religion is".
Obamacare does not give anything "FREE". Free Access to what?
It forces Insurance companies to "charge" and include Birth control pills as part of medical insurance.
Congress passed within "Obamacare" the section that states "EMPLOYERS" Must provide "Health Insurance coverages that "Include Birth control Coverages". That is the issue. Since "employers" include Religious organizations, they are forced to PAY and support "morals" and beliefs against their Religion.
Folks, Catholics could care less about your use of the pill. It is against our constitution to Pass any law that interferes with practicing one's beliefs".
Church contributions being used to pay for others' Birth control pills IS A DIRECT INTRUSION ON RELIGIOUS RIGHTS.
I have stated many times here, that any Catholic Woman who would give her young daughter birth control pills as a bypass to Catholic "morals" is a "hypocrite" to GOD and to the Church. No Catholic has imposed any Federal Laws that "Forbid" birth control pills. None of this reduces our Medical costs.
Maybe all of you Obamacare advocates should really ask yourself , is it worth TRillions of dollars to support the 40 million uninsured?
This is not about Abortion or Pills. You will ALL eventually LOSE your current health care. WITH NO DOCTORS to PROVIDE the care.
Donna C
9:48 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
That is it in a nutshell, thank you for saying what is truly going on.
Margaret Eisenberger
2:57 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I am amazed at the direction this commentary went. The original article just said that a study showed easier access to birth control reduced abortion rates. My response is simply Duh. Also, to paraphrase RFT, the sky is blue.
3:27 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
What about the study that concludes:
Robbing a bank -- curbs employment needs. Stupid studies -at what cost!
This article is titled:
(If birth control curbs abortions--IS IT OK?)
The study should have said (concluded) that
"Stealing other people's Money Provides Free access to Birth control"
Nothing easier than "Free"
Banning sex also reduces Abortion rates. Duh?
Vasectomy also reduces abortion rates.
Now , I have a study that concludes--Responsibility starts with
"YOURSELF" not with the Goverment.
Rockwood 25
5:23 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Issue is that abortion is mainly touted as the main religious issue here, young lives being taken. Yet contraception cuts those numbers dramatically. Seems all would be on the same page and taking this as a win/win. Not so. Contraception has been too often equated with abortion, which is in error. Religion is involved and a rather convoluted mix of religion and science. That, I believe, is Margaret's point, but know many of you want it to have a different discussion.
Laura B.
4:16 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
To everyone here bitching about Catholic beliefs and doctrine: NO ONE says you must be Catholic or that you must work for them! So don't! Stop trying to force them to participate in your healthcare agenda!
Earl Higgins
5:15 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
The answer to the question proposed in the headline, "If Birth Control Curbs Abortions, Is It OK?", is (are you ready?):
OF COURSE it's okay, unless of course your religion prohibits it. If your religion prohibits it, THEN DON'T USE BIRTH CONTROL. It's that simple.
This isn't rocket appliances people, don't make it more than it is.
Elaine Nickton
5:20 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
it's radical bigots like some of you who say I'm not allowed to be a Cathollic because I don't believe in a stance the catholic church has chosen to force me to believe and won't allow me to be in their exclusive "catholic" club because of it? The birth control issue is nothing more than a 18th century practice. I would like to see this happen just once for you radical bigots who say you're not a catholic if you don't believe and practice 100% of catholic doctrine:
Have all the Catholics gather in church on Sunday. Have the priest ask the question: "has any one of you ever or continue to use birth control?" I would lay a million dollars on the fact that if EVERYONE was truthful 95% maybe 90% of the congregation would raise their hand that yes they have use BC or continue to do so. So therefore your opinion PaulRevere would therefore excommunicate 95% of the congregation. Who would be the hypocrite then because catholic teachings are that all people are created equal in the eyes of god?
It's just reality people. Do you want teen pregnancy rate to almost double because the reality is abstinence isn't a reality anymore. The Rhythm method does not always work. Abstinence was reality when we were trading chickens for young virgin wives in the 18th century. Shaking head.
10:43 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Love seeing such "Christian" behavior in these forums! Nice to know that so many people care so much for the unborn and yet have no problem spewing vitriol at each other. Way to go, self-professed "Christians!" Talk about hypocrisy! Guess you missed the parts of the Bible that speak to love and humility. And I can't believe how many people would prefer more abortions over providing low-income people with birth control. Personally, I am happy to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's if it means a lower abortion rate. But then again, I'm not a Christian.
Gary W. Elliott
7:00 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Is this the same entity that hired Ed Martin to sweep issues with children under the rug & move the perpetrator(s) to another location to do the same? If so, it takes away from the argument about pro-life. At what age does that end? Is birth control equated to abortion? Who enlightens the religious leaders to write these "edicts" from time to time (and also change them)? Which religion view point on healthcare issues do we endorse, conversely, which do we scrap? I believe this is why we have separation of church & state. And do not give me the "my money spent" on these items argument, that happens every day (my taxes pay for wars I do not endorse, taxes for education when I do not have children, transportation dollars for highways in towns that I do not go to, etc.) ! The list gets as silly and unrealistic as one wants to make it! Oh, and if my religion does not believe in blood transfusions, should my child not get one? How about those shots that all school kids have to get?
8:47 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, but you CAN opt out of vaccinations on the grounds that it violates your religious belief.
Gary W. Elliott
7:30 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
Elizabeth, I think my point was pretty clear. Separation of church & state, pure & simple. If a parent opts out of medical procedures that hurt children are subject to certain laws, as they should be. This whole topic of opting out of insurance coverage based on religious views is at the hear of the discussion. Tell me that you can opt of paying tax dollars for items that you do not believe in because of religious convictions. If so, a lot of us have rebates due.
8:38 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
I am sorry, but I believe we are missing the point of the study that Wash U did. Wash U offered completely free birth control for 5 years to 10,000 women in the St. Louis area and Aborations dropped. I am one of the participants that received free birth control in this study. Yes....you can go to a clinic and get free pills or condoms. But If someone wants the Mirena IUD, it is expensive. With my insurance the Mirena is $500.00. I do think birth control is expensive even with Insurance. Wash U proved a point....the cost of birth control needs to be reduced.
8:50 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Um, it is not free. Wash U probably received a government grant, endowment or other such money to perform the study. Not free, maybe no cost to you personally, but someone, somewhere had to pay for it. It didn't just fall from the sky.
10:28 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Elizabeth...regardless of where the money came from....Wash U proved a point that if Birth Control was provided either free or at a low cost...there would be less unwanted pregnancies. Anyhow...what happens if someone who cannot afford birth control has a baby. The government ends up supporting the baby....food stamps, day care, WIC, Medicaid, etc. I am not saying that everyone should receive this free but the cost of birth control even with insurance is expensive.
11:34 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Also, Elizabeth the Study was funded by the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation.
1:17 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
"Also, Elizabeth the Study was funded by the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation"
And? I believe that would fall under "endowment or other such money".
"I am not saying that everyone should receive this free"
Why not? Shouldn't everyone be treated equally?
2:11 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
And? I believe that would fall under "endowment or other such money". My point was that this study was not a government grant.
Why not? Shouldn't everyone be treated equally?
Yes everyone should be treated equally. I believe everyone should pay for birth control, I just believe the price is too high. That was the nature of this study. To prove the price of birth control is expensive with or without insurance. I pay $850 a month in insurance....they can at least cover my Mirena IUD for less than $500.00.
Elizabeth--Why do you disagree with the study?
3:26 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
Jessica, I only pointed out that the contraception provided is not free. I can't help it if you read more into it than that. The purpose of this blog is to tie the reported results of the study with the current political storm regarding who should have to pay for the contraception. I only pointed out the fact that calling it "free" is a misnomer. It is not free, someone had to pay for it, by your own research The Buffet Foundation paid for it. The difference of course being that the foundation chose to pay for it, versus the opposed "corporations" who don't wish to pay for it. Coincidentally, The Buffet Foundation also contributes to Planned Parenthood.
3:35 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
You are correct, I only assumed you disagreed with the study. I wasnt sure what your point was through all this besides "someone" had to pay for it. And yes you are correct, the Foundation also supports Planned Parenthood. Wash U started the study years ago before Obamacare was even a subject in politics. I started the study in 2007 and I know it was going about year or 2 before I started it.... so I believe it begain in 2005 or 2006. Anyhow, the goal of Wash U was to show if the costs of birth control was out of the way....how many unwanted pregnancies would occur.
9:59 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
I personally believe that birth control is an acceptable alternative to unplanned pregnancies and abortions. Birth control is much less invasive, less expensive (to both the individual and society), and less emotionally traumatic than either an unplanned pregnancy or an abortion.
In my opinion, this issue remains a volatile political discussion because it provides a wonderful opportunity for people, of all political persuasions, to be judgmental of our fellow citizens. Politicians and political entities love issues like that. People love to feel superior.
11:34 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
I agree with your position on birth control, Sarah. I believe that this issue remains volatile because it is so important and a microcosm of an individual's life view. For me, this important issue (which I thought was fought and won by our mothers) can be politicized to the point where our right to contraception and our own family planning can be removed. All gains by science in this area can be erased and removed from our reach by a few with political power. Scary.
Bryan Andrews
10:57 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
I don't have an opinion though I don't want abortion. But it is a woman's right. If the catholic community or any other religion. Wants to ban it then all I have to say to woman who have the children and can't support them feel free to drop them off at the Church according to the bible the church is a sanctuary for all. Can't argue that one can you.
3:34 pm on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
There are many forms of Birth Control. Responsible Woman are free to use whatever they choose.
The Church recommends the "RHYTHM" method.
Birth control "PILL taking method" is only one form of Birth control.
Catholics and ALL society should de-emphasize sexual activity outside marriage.
That has NOTHING to do with Religion.
This study should have addressed those Needing the abortions. Then you all will know Why abortions are still a problem while the Pill has been available since the 60's. Quit suggesting curbing Abortions would be good for Society if only the Catholics would agree with men-woman having sex for the fun of it.
To Catholics, "pregnancy is a "Gift from GOD".
Only GOD can determine whether a woman shall be blessed with that gift.
Millions of woman never are given that Gift. No matter how many times they try.
Could man-made birth-controls, actually make a woman forever unable to become Pregnant.? Just Maybe?
If women have the right to their body-Do woman have a "right" to become pregnant?
Do all man-made birth control methods work 100%?
Even the supreme court cannot bestow a Woman's "right" to become Pregnant.
Think about that.
Does Birth control curb abortions? It is NOT ok unless the bigger question of "What does man-made Birth control do to the Woman's body functions"?
I believe they harm their ability to ever become Pregnant. One day all the problems experienced by the Pill will be answered. Still too early for answers.
11:05 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
*'Is birth control an acceptable alternative to unplanned pregnancies and abortions?"
Yes. It is clearly not the only alternative, a foolproof solution, or without other personal ramifications, however, it is an important alternative.
*"Are you surprised by the findings of this study (read fuller reports by clicking the links)?"
No. Yet, it is surprising that a study was needed to confirm this at this point in time.
*"Why do you think the subject of free access to birth control is so intertwined with our political debate? "
Political parties will make whatever political hay can be made on conjured wedge issues. Whenever there is a group of people that will vote based on what their religion tells them, that is an opportunity to exploit.
And the Catholic Church Patriarch seems to be opportunistic as well -perhaps a gasp at gaining relevance and using their waning power over Catholic hospital systems.
Interestingly, the Sisters of Mary (SSM) give a rather supportive statement of the ACA, without mention of the birth control aspect. I don't think birth control is a major issue for most Catholics, other than politically-minded Patriarchs. There are much more important topics related to their Faith, than birth control. http://www.ssmhc.com/internet/home/ssmcorp.nsf/Documents/051BD4EABEBCD26886257A2B005C69EB?OpenDocument
D. Walker
7:56 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
Actual religious organizations are exempt from the birth control mandate. Christian organizations and Christians cannot expect to become intertwined with this world in every business sense but not follow the rules of this world. There are no examples given in Scripture of such ever happpening so why on earth would the religious expect such today? How foolish for aChristians to believe that any. Country can be a Christian country when one can only come to accept Christ through faith and of their free will. Christianity is not possiblle to be forced upon anyone. We truly have freedom of religion and if you don't believe such just research how much it truly cost people in many other parts of the world when they choose to follow and accept Jesus as their Savior. Americans frighten me with how for granted and petty their attitudes are towards God and all that Jesus is. The religious need to get real and begin following Jesus in truth and not in these fake phony petty false ways. Truth is, the only thing keeping anyone in this country apart from God are their own personal attitudes and actions. If Christians truly lived holy lives and cease trying to control the lives of those who are not trying or desiring to live as Christians we would see more lives being impacted in positive spiritual ways.
8:40 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
I can respect the logic of your argument, D. Walker. I may not agree with your world-view, but you are certainly not a hypocrite.
Earl Higgins
10:27 am on Tuesday, October 9, 2012
D., this has exactly nothing to do with the question. Please just answer the question.
Or have these comments sections just become wastelands of people expounding on their religious and political views for no apparent reason? If I'm wrong on that, please, by all means, go right ahead.
William Braudis
11:07 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012
I am a Lutheran and will defend the Catholic Church with all that I can. You democrats who want the destruction of America had better wish that obama is soundly defeated. You will not destroy America nor our Constitution with out one Hell of a Fight.
11:29 am on Thursday, October 11, 2012
I agree William. Here is a video by Rev. Dr. Matthew Harrison, President of the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod on the subject. He is absolutely correct.
12:08 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Yes, as a Democrat I'm out to destroy America. I want to promote underage sex with sex ed, then abort the resulting babies while indoctrinating them in gay culture. I want to help our Muslim overlords take their rightful place by putting the U.N. in charge of the Department of Transportion. I want to outlaw fishing while inflating the deficit and forcing everyone to pledge allegiance to Ariana Huffington.
You got me, William Braudis. Can't fool you...
Idiot Police
5:59 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Close-minded people destroy America.................................Religeon ruins everything.
William Braudis
12:26 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Caffeinated ( why hide your identity ) Thank you for your honesty. Your aims are clearly spoken. But, one way or another, you and your obama huggers are going to lose this war.
1:26 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
What war?
I have never felt compelled to give my identity to some stranger on the internet, especially when they spew nonsense as you do. What do you want people's identities for - he's not blogging or anything? Are you going to put him on some sort of McCarthyist list?
Earl Higgins
1:34 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
William, you should know, the right to privacy is enshrined in the Constitution. Caffeinated is merely exercising that right. Those of you who profess to be strict constitutionalists cannot pick and choose which parts to follow.
Besides, with your earlier hate speech (which I see has been removed thankfully), it's easy to understand why Caffeinated would not want you to know who they are.
Have you contributed anything to this conversation which is relevant to the topic? Unless I've missed something, it looks like the answer is no. Why not?
5:37 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Naw, I think he's saying that if I have the conviction of my beliefs then I shouldn't be afraid to sign my name to them.
The real problem is that he thinks those are actually my beliefs.
Idiot Police
6:02 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Well put Caffeinated.........................but you can not get through to this closed-minded moron. Hopefully HE uses birth control.
William Braudis
12:37 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
flyoverland, thank you for passing on this Link. I have just reviewed the video and will pass it forward to many of my friends, Lutheran, Jewish, Catholic and members of others Religions
William Braudis
3:38 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Mr. Higgins and Mr. De-Caffeinated, I am never happy being around you obaminites
It was at one time considered being a coward when hiding behind someone or something. I do fully understand that this is how the democrats, obama zombies, like to operate. I realize that as a democrat and an obaminite you totally do not see a conflict between obaminites and Loyal Americans. Mr. Higgin, pick and choose ? lets explore my Constitution a little more closely, namely, the accuser facing the accused.
5:41 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
"Mr. Higgin, pick and choose ? lets explore my Constitution a little more closely, namely, the accuser facing the accused."
Exactly. Well said.
William Braudis
5:45 pm on Thursday, October 11, 2012
Women do not, not, have a right to kill their babies or by any other name that makes it sound like it is a vegetable being thrown into the trash.
Idiot Police
6:09 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Roe .v Wade moron...........................................there ARE reasons for abortion that DON'T concern you. If only your mother had exercised her rights.
Meridith Olsen
9:34 am on Friday, October 12, 2012
This is an opinion piece? Mention the results of a study, quote a Post-Dispatch article and the Huffington Post (a news aggregator, not a news source), throw the religion card out in the first paragraph, add a nonsensical headline and what results is a bunch of comments about religion and the hot button issues of abortion and birth control.
Nowhere does Mr. Greenbaum express an opinion or provide new information. Anyone who hasn't been living under a rock for their entire life is familiar with the Catholic church's stand on abortion and birth control.
But congratulations on stirring up 100+ comments.
Finally, what does the phrase "unplanned babies tend to have lower birthrates" even mean? Are you trying to say babies that are the result of unplanned pregnancies have lower birth weights? Where is the editor/proofer to catch that, not to mention redundancies and a missing "the" in the following sentence: "The study notes that abortion rate in the St. Louis area declined by more than 20 percent in the St. Louis area between 2008 and 2010."
Patch is a good source of hyper-local crime stats and reporting on city council meetings. Perhaps you should stick to that if this is the best "opinion" piece you can muster.
Idiot Police
6:12 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012
Perhaps you should comment on things you obviously know about, like hyper-local crime stats and city council meetings.
William Braudis
11:35 pm on Thursday, November 22, 2012
As a member of the Lutheran Church I must teach you that our Doctrine reads very similar to that of the Catholic Church. Neither believe that no one has the right to kill babies either in the womb nor in the birth channel. Under obama and you people, the killing of babies are a wonderful and noble act.
Mike K
1:38 am on Friday, November 23, 2012
So when does the Catholic/church-owned hospitals and doctors get to refuse treatment for veterans or force me to pay taxes for a military whose function is to kill people, in clear violation of The Ten Commandments? Or is the Church also on its own Cafeteria plan?
I consider myself a Christian and have no interest in what the Catholic and many other Christian churches have become. One does not need an orthodoxy to understand, accept, invite, and practice your faith. Go straight to the source and eliminate the 'middleman'.
Dino McDonnell
4:56 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012
It is a sad fact that we kill our unborn children. There is no real debate about that fact, what we are missing is the total lack of respect for our sexuality. We are not animals are we? Your free will is what will condemn you to hell.
11:29 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
"Your free will is what will condemn you to hell."
Nothing to add, just wanted to highlight this little gem.
William Braudis
6:45 pm on Friday, November 23, 2012
Mike K, I realize that you do not have a good understanding about " Thou shall not kill " So I would think that you really are in need of the " middleman ". God, was responsible for direct involvement in the deaths of perhaps thousands. Your Military shot and killed your enemies and yes in the beginning it was difficult squeezing off rounds with the intent to kill until one saw the results of not doing so. To a point you are correct that a middleman is not always required to have a talk with God, through Jesus or Mother Mary.
Sensible? I think so
9:48 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Can anyone explain how they know that life begins at conception?
William Braudis
11:25 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Dear Sensible, the moment that the egg divides life has begun. An non-fertile egg will simply pass out of the host.
11:34 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
William Braudis, biologist.
So, zygotes are people? Your ignorance is laughable.
Sensible? I think so
12:07 pm on Sunday, November 25, 2012
Thank you for your response. I wonder why it's the moment that the egg divides rather than the moment that the egg is fertilized, but I'll just increase my understanding incrementally.
11:00 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Note the ignorance of this comment:
"one way to reduce abortions is to increase access to birth control"
I would say-The best way to reduce abortions is "To Decrease access to the sexual Act".
How about "Castration/Hysterectomy" for anyone having more than 1 Pregnancy outside of marriage and using Taxpayers' Dollars to get an abortion.
Want to bet needed-Abortions Nose-dive in this country.?
Now that would save billions in Medical costs.
Isn't the ultimate medical cost saving really the Goal?
Just being sarcastic!!! My Friends.
Shows the absurdity of those trying to justify Abortions by way of "Medical" savings.
11:21 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
"I would say-The best way to reduce abortions is "To Decrease access to the sexual Act".
How about "Castration/Hysterectomy" for anyone having more than 1 Pregnancy outside of marriage ..."
The American Taliban speaks (awkwardly).
I see the old white men of Patch all agree. LOL...
William Braudis
11:35 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Mr. Revere, I agree with your well thought out statement. My though was that following their first out of wedlock birth the mother would be fixed to never again in her lifetime experience a pregnancy. This way she can return to being a whore without any concequences.
11:39 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
" This way she can return to being a whore without any concequences."
...and we can't have that, can we Billy. Perhaps we can force them into burqas?
Christine Stewart Mehigh
2:53 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
And the men who get all of these women pregnant? What would you do to them Willy? C'mon tell us. This is getting good.
William Braudis
11:55 am on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Mr. Caffeinated, I have missed you comments that accents your stupidity. Look, before using those big words perhaps you would FIRST look up their definition so you would not look so stupid via your comments. By the way no matter what clothing a whore wears she is still a whore and colleges are the best place to find them, in the event that you ever turn away from men.
12:05 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
" Look, before using those big words perhaps you would FIRST look up their definition so you would not look so stupid..."
Which big words are you referring to? "concequences" perhaps?
Thank you for putting up with my stupidity.
Earl Higgins
3:26 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
William Braudis, it would really be nice if we didn't hear from you and your reactionary ilk after you took the drubbing in the last election (remember that?). Please follow the lead of your cohorts Rush Limbaugh and Todd Akin and stop wasting your time and ours on subjects you obviously know nothing about. The nation has spoken, and in case you didn't notice, your side didn't win. Sorry to break it to you in the harshest of languages, but apparently that's all you can understand. Thank you.
William Braudis
4:07 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Ya Earl you and others inputing these comments have got it correct. Let the Feds., give you all of those free goodies and you will be slaves to a good ol' black slave owner. Free drugs of any kind, free sex, no questions ask, free hand outs, free alcohol free food and your soul. We will need to come up with a better name than " negga " for your kind.... how about " cowardly anus ". ya, that fits great.
Earl Higgins
8:32 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Incoherent ramblings from a bitter, defeated old man. Need I add anything more, I believe he said all that anyone needs to know about him and his kind.
Kind of sad, really, that this country doesn't have a serious, thinking persons' political opposition any more (think George Will, or Richard Lugar, or John Huntsman). Just the fringe, fanatical ramblings of racist, sexist paranoids like Mr. Braudis. I honestly feel a little bit sorry for him.
5:51 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
Wow, good old Earl and Caffeinated just got owned by Mr. Braudis!
Earl Higgins
8:33 pm on Saturday, November 24, 2012
How's that, "mike k"?
If you can make sense of the word soup that William speaks, more power to you. I would love for you to translate it into English.
8:03 am on Sunday, November 25, 2012
That's sweet. Old mikey found his soulmate.
I don't think the term "owned" means what you think it means, you geriatric moron.


text:
The Tigers marched into their seventh successive Premiership final at Twickenham after a bruising 11-3 triumph over Northampton that ended Saints' hopes of achieving a domestic and European double.
But Leicester's England World Cup midfield candidate Manu Tuilagi looks likely to miss the May 28 showpiece, while Tigers coaches Richard Cockerill and Matt O'Connor might also find themselves in hot water.
Tuilagi, 19, can expect to be cited for punching Northampton and England wing Chris Ashton eight minutes before half-time.
The incident saw both players sin-binned by referee Wayne Barnes following a discussion with his assistant Robin Goodliffe, but such was Tuilagi's behaviour that it clearly warranted a straight red card.
Cockerill and O'Connor, meanwhile, ensured an uncomfortable afternoon for watching RFU referees' assessor and former international official Brian Campsall, who was subjected to both coaches furiously voicing their displeasure at Barnes' performance.
Campsall was sitting just a few seats away from them - in the same area of the grandstand as England boss Martin Johnson and next to England forwards coach John Wells - and RFU disciplinary officer Jeff Blackett will undoubtedly be made aware of what happened.
Blackett wrote to Cockerill last year warning him about his future behaviour after an impassioned performance during a play-off game against Bath.
And former Saracens boss Brendan Venter was handed a 10-game matchday coaching ban for histrionics in a league match against Leicester last season, which meant he missed the Premiership final that the Tigers won 33-27.
Cockerill said: "Sometimes I find some of the decisions frustrating."
Asked during the post-match press conference if his behaviour towards Campsall had been appropriate, he added: "Probably not. No." And when asked what he was going to do about it, Cockerill replied: "Yeah, probably not do it."
Cockerill claimed he did not see the Tuilagi incident, and grew increasingly exasperated about suggestions that it might have been the turning point of a semi-final his side sealed through wing Alesana Tuilagi's try eight minutes from time.
He said: "I was watching the ball, but the assistant referee clearly saw it and deemed it as a yellow-card offence.
"That was a good performance against a really good side. Let's talk about that shall we? Let's talk about how we controlled the game, let's talk about Alesana's try, let's talk about the scrum contest, not all the crap you boys want to talk about and make headlines out of.
"He (Manu Tuilagi) is a quality young player who does what he does exceptionally well. We will have to see what happens. We are guessing, aren't we?"
Saints rugby director Jim Mallinder though, had no doubt what course of action the officials should have taken.
"Chris Ashton did go over and give him a push, but you cannot react with three punches to the head without a red card," said Mallinder.
"It would have had an effect on the game, because they would have been down to 14 men. But Leicester played well in the second half - it is fine lines.
"I think the referee did go to his assistant. All I know is I have seen it and to me, it is a clear red card. What did Ashton get a yellow card for - pushing?
"It's a big game, live on television and it should be one of the highlights of the Premiership season. I guess the referees and referees' assessors will have a real good look at it and work as hard as they can to make sure it doesn't happen again."
The game had a simmering undercurrent throughout, with the tone set early by England team-mates, Leicester fly-half Toby Flood and Northampton skipper Dylan Hartley, when Hartley's questionable tackle on the Tigers number 10 provoked a furious reaction.
Flood said: "When Northampton get on the front foot they are a very dangerous side, but we tried to snuff that out at source.
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We've got a strange gotcha (it maybe a bug with the mongo driver and we will raise an appropriate bug with them), but I think this is worth noting here.....
We were connecting to a replica set, but always getting "couldn't determine master" being returned. Connecting to individual notes without replicaset being set worked fine (directly to the master, or slave okay for reads). Replicaset working fine, and all setup okay.
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