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- Publisher: Arktos Entertainment
- Release Date: Oct 15, 2012
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Dec 19, 20120
May 18, 20131holy this game is an absolute waste of time.. its garbage.. filled with all the time!!! You'll want to stop playing this game 30 minutes in because of how daft it is... wtf is wrong with it.. glitches.. glitches.. ai is JUST GO ON TO THE WAR Z FORUMS AND WHAT THE SOO MANY PROBLEMS STRAIGHT AWAY!!!! AGGGHRHHS!!!
Dec 19, 20120If you buy this game before reading up about how it is all a big scam by the developers... you deserve to lose your money on this steaming turd of a game.
Dec 21, 20120If you get banned for saying whats wrong with the game i don't think it deserves any score above 0. When players are getting banned for expressing their option you know its a dark time in the gaming industry.
Dec 24, 20120What a bummer,they trying to release the game that haven`t finish yet.And now people who brought it got scammed.Stick with DayZ instead.WarZ is just a piece of crap that they wanna look like DayZ but even better,but nothing can do anymore with broken gameplay at all and rob money by purchase something...what a joke.War Inc game should not make a game like this!
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Dec 20, 20120Bunch of fanboys on here giving out high scores blaming the customer for not "reading that the game is still in alpha/beta." Fun fact: the Steam page doesn't mention that minor detail. The company says the game is release worthy, and they're selling it like a release game. Don't listen to the fanboys, they're blinded by stupidity.
Dec 19, 20120
Dec 22, 20120it's **** sorry, everyone seems to think you love dayz if you think this game sucks for whatever reason. Should have at least came with a free copy of big rigs.
Apr 19, 20130This game is terrible. Nuff said. I'm only writing to fill up the 150 character minimum. So... yea. Almost there, just 30 more characters to go... and done.
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Jan 30, 20130I can;t tell you how bad this game is, It just isn't enjoyable, it's boring and literally I'll rather be doing homework than playing this piece of ****
Jan 6, 20135It's a low quality game, but is it worth $15? Yes. I do have fun playing the game, trying to go around areas undetected by zombies and other players who kill on sight. It's a game about surviving, and that's what you are trying to do 100% of the time. There is so much room for improvement. I just hope the developers actually listen to the suggestions they are getting for new features.
Mar 27, 20138
Feb 9, 201310Well it's February and the game's been coming along nicely. Hackers are getting banned in waves, New features are popping up all the time, and the number of players is still extremely high. Best $13.49 I've spent on a game. For all those saying it's a scam, grow up and learn what scam's are.
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Dec 19, 20120I've never wanted a dev to fail, but I hope these guys crash and burn, and I hope someone takes them to task for lying about the game....Steam should be ashamed for letting this be sold on their service.....I won't be supporting These devs or Steam at all after this.
Dec 23, 20120whats wrong with this game you ask, everything zombies are overpowered, the game is not finished, the person behind big rigs over the road racing made this, melee is broken, guns are almost impossible to find, there is not penalty for killing everyone, 4 hour re spawn times, in game items for cash, items go away after being killed,
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Dec 19, 20120This game has been an obvious scam since the day it was announced. Cash shop in a sandbox game based around scavenging items, at least it was worth a laugh.
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Dec 23, 20120This game is just horrendous. False advertising is the only reason it sold even a single copy. either that or because they though it was the Day Z standalone.
Jan 6, 20130You can't help but feel that Hammerpoint tried to nickle and dime gamers, and worse they tried to do it on the back of another title. It's a terrible case of a developer trying to take advantage of gamers. It might also have been more palatable if the game wasn't the mess that it currently is. All I can say is. DO NOT BUY THIS GAME! Rather save your money! This is complete and utter trash.
Dec 19, 20120
Jan 31, 201310This game is a work of art, the graphics are amazing, the gameplay is really fun, it feels so realistic, and don't even get me started on how good the customer service is. Simply amazing.
Jan 14, 20130LOL EVERYONE VOTE A ZERO SO THIS WILL LIKE BE THE FIRST THING ON METACRITIC EVER TO EVER HAVE LIKE A 0.SOMETHING EVERYONE LOL DO IT NOW SO WE CAN TAKE SCREENSHOTS LOL ps if you actaully like this game still vote a zero just for the laughs, ive never played the game, but it seems to be pretty gay
Mar 11, 20130
Jan 27, 20130ToS plagiarism + DayZ ripoff + poor graphics/textures + poor sound quality + poor animation + poor gameplay + bad UI + overpriced IAP + one hour respawn time = SCAM.
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Feb 3, 20130This game is scam. Don't even try it. Inform yourself via google first. The games producer steals, insults and threathens people who criticize their product.
Jan 5, 20130This is absolute SCAM! Dont let them steal your money with this pay2win **** - Instead you should try DayZ - it is in every aspect superior to this crap.
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Dec 19, 20123Full review here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY8zoKKcVFQ
This should not have been released, period. Gameplay reeks, terrible melee and ranged combat, movement and animations are terrible, graphically it is nothing to look at. An alpha product at best. -
Dec 23, 20122This game is a failure at best and a scam at worst. Not remotely finished, horrible dev team (what kind of dev team plays the game using cheats against other players?), shoddy gameplay (Day Z ripoff, but somehow manages to be clunkier), very little content, and F2P style unlocks. Horrible.
Dec 18, 20120
Jan 17, 20130Bought the game on Steam, I couldn't log in. Sent a ticket through their support; no response. Sent another ticket in through support. Again, no response. This was over a month ago, and I'm still waiting to hear back. Fortunately, Steam was nice enough to give me a refund. 0 score, because the developers don't seem to provide any support for this game whatsoever.
Jan 17, 20130IT'S A TRAP!!!!! Don't buy this game! It's TERRIBLE and nothing but a SCAM!!!! Save your money and buy something else. Wait for DayZ Standalone, buy Arma 2 and get the DayZ mod. Buy something but this piece of sh*t
Mar 11, 201310This is the best game ever 10/10 must buy, most innovative game of the year. Beautiful graphics, fascinating lore, brilliant story, deep character design. What more can I say? Get this game now, what a bargain for just $15.
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Dec 19, 20120A cheap cash grab, that's all. Reskinned War.Inc made to profit from the dayz zombie craze as much as possible.
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Feb 22, 20130This game is horrible. Seriously don't buy it. It takes a lot of time and a lot of luck just to get a gun, but most of the time another players kills you before you even find one. I bought an item from the market and I didn't even get it. This game is crap and the company should give everyone that bought it refunds.
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Mar 13, 20138I review it from a point with ~15 hours of gameplay, to be honest, it isnt all that bad as everyone says. I have ~200 Hours of gameplay on dayz and all i can say is that, you should also give WarZ a fair Chance...... I give this Game a fair 8, also keep in mind that it is FAR from complete....
Dec 22, 20122First of all this is NOT a zombie game .. It is a big huge misstake of a game that is what it is! There is not much I can say more then all other 1689 people have said .. nummber is raising huge! This game is not even good if it was Free-to-play! Still a pice of ****
Feb 23, 20130
Mar 8, 20130There's nothing new to point out, just broken in every sense. Don't be fooled, lack of promised features are still prevalent and crippling bugs still loom. On paper it sounds great but in practice it falls very flat, unfortunately very disappointed.
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Feb 21, 20135All in all my hope for The War Z is crumbling. The standalone version of the Arma2-Mod DayZ is going to kick WarZ's ass if it does not get quickly better There were some minor improvements but still it tastes like a DayZ clone.
Apr 7, 20130Wow. Just.... This game is awful in every kind of way. I really hope the developers cancel this terrible thing they dare call a "game", it's the worst thing that happened in 2012.
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Dec 19, 20120The idea is GREAT - the game and support of the developer however...just WOW....everyone else has pretty much stated anything I could hope to convey in a message - these guys for sure was just wanting to make a fast buck and this time the end-users seem to be letting a company know - they aren't going to take any crap this time around.
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Dec 19, 20120Best thing is that you can get a refund thats higher than the price you paid for the product, in short, you earn money by demanding your money back. Horrible game
Jan 7, 20130This Game is BAD!!! did they even test it..? around every corner is LAG LAG LAG even more lag. do not waste your money on this. even if its free i wouldn't play it, THATS HOW BAD IT IS. it could of been MUCH BETTER!!
Dec 19, 20121It's painfully obvious now: the sole purpose of this game's existence is to rob gullible player's money. There's no mention of game being at beta state (it feels like alpha if you ask me) in the Steam store page, only few features listed are actually in the game etc.
Feb 23, 20134it is unplayable if you are playing alone, but if you have good company of friends it can be fun too. There is not so many spawn killers at the moment and developers are patching it every month so il set rating 4 for it. If nothing will change it near future this game deserves 1 or even 0 rating.
May 23, 20137Despite all the criticism of OP productions and the poor job of the developers, this was still a fun game. Once the first hacker purge occurred you could actually play it. Lack of actual content was its downfall. This game shines when you are in a clan. Traveling with your mates is a fun time.
Dec 19, 20120
Dec 19, 20120To put it simply, this game is unfinished and broken at best. An embarrassment to a developer. Released way too early then it should have been and with a broken community. Save yourself, don't buy this.
Dec 19, 20121This is a piece of trash. The games devs are crooks. BUYER BEWARE! Do not pay money for this atrocity. You would have more fun playing solitaire, and it saves you 15 dollars. The game is loaded with micro transactions, think you will just be paying 15 dollars? Wrong. It even asks you to pay money to revue a character. Horrible game, stay away.
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Jan 3, 20132The animations are stiff and lame. There's no physics. Other players kill you for no reason at all. They could be holding an AK and you could be holding a can of beans or a flashlight. They're gonna kill you anyway. The point of this game is nothing. It has no style. It's lifeless. I think the developers forgot they were making a video game.
Jan 18, 20130Deserves all the sh*t that is thrown at it's way. Zero for PR lies, stealing ideas, artwork, assets, name and money. Immature, unprofessional and plain idiot developers. Hackers, bugs, boredom..
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Dec 17, 201210Excellent game. I used to play DayZ before i found this game and while they are similar, The War Z has many aspects that make me enjoy it far more than i ever did with dayz. I would defiantly recommend it to other people who are fans of realistic zombie games.
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Jan 11, 20130This game company committed intentional fraud. They should be prosecuted to protect the consumer so that other companies don't do the same, with false advertising and draconian methods of punishing anyone who complained or even requested a refund.
Dec 28, 20120This game was a total ripoff at Launch. When you put in Cash shop and REAL WORLD money transactions BEFORE you put in basic game features and smash BUGS that are game breaking. I CALL YOU A RIPOFF. Plus the Lead Producer is a LAIR. Never trust him or this company.
Jan 9, 20130Awful scam! Stay away from this game and any game that Sergey Titov is involved with! They just tried to pick off some fast money on the Day Z hype (great mod/game) - DO NOT BUY!
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Jan 21, 20132Terrible game that is only further backed up by their customer support. War Z is not ready for official release by a long shot and should have been delayed.
Dec 18, 20120this game is crappy, it is really a huge scam
dont buy it, just wait for the dayz standalone, like i am even tho i never played the actual mod
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Dec 20, 20120Absolute **** farce of a game. Sergey Titov is a liar, a charlatan and a thief. Please, please, please do not buy this excuse for a game. Do not reward this disgrace by giving it your money. Go everywhere and tell everyone: do not buy War Z.
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Dec 20, 20120Blatant false advertising and business practices that are shonky even by Zynga's standards! This game is a straight up SCAM which is designed to STEAL your money from you
Dec 18, 20120Games is unfinished, it's still in alpha, but they selling it as it's full version which is not. Devs trying to cover their lies with banning people. Worst game of century, or even all time.
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Mar 7, 20130Its mechanical foundation - like this Foundation Release - crumbles at the lightest touch. [March 2013, p.94]
Feb 22, 201317The War Z has about as much value as its crappy in-game melee weaponry and that's not much at all. At least it doesn't cost anything to play after you buy it, and the cash shop items are fair enough, so you won't see people running around with machine guns just because they spent money. If you're going to give your money to a zombie-survival game, grab ArmA II and a copy of the DayZ mod, or wait for the full retail version of DayZ to arrive on digital store shelves and check that out. Do not buy into The War Z.
Feb 5, 201336The War Z might use the same elements that make DayZ an enthralling experience. But it puts them together so halfheartedly that you have to turn away in disbelief.


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22 Jan 2013 5:39 PM #1
masking objects
masking objects
is there a way to mask objects in animator?
for example
lets say i want to animate a shape that moves across from left to right, but i want it all to be contained with in the shape of a button.
is there a way to do that?
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1) If your background is uniform, you could overlay a image with the same color as the background that has the button shape transparent in the middle
2) Using the overflow property, you can get a square mask.
3) Since -webkit-mask aren't standard (but now it looks like it might become in the future) we don't have any direct controls for it, but you could potentially add the rules yourself to the custom css part in the properties panel. This is "real masking", however it only works on webkit browsers.
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You can find the overflow property in the Properties Panel under Transforms when an object is selected in base mode.
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Joined: 14 May 2006
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Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:47 pm
Post subject: ISO warm destination for comfortable return to sailing
I've done all my windsurfing in Alameda and the Gorge and was still struggling with the waterstart when I decided to call it quits 3 years ago. I moved to Philadelphia a few months ago and find myself dreaming of windsurfing. I watch videos, read up on gear, and make goals for this season. I'm really tired of winter and it's only January so I thought I'd find some warm, sunny island to head to for a week or less and recharge but, as long as I'm near a beach I figure I want to windsurf and see if it's something I really want to reinvest in.
St. Martin seems to be cheaper to fly to than Belize and Margarita and might also provide conditions for my level. My goals, if I return are: hone my waterstarts, commit to the harness (I think I'm still afraid of drowning under the sail and, I have the death grip), carving and duck jibe. I don't want to end up going somewhere too advanced for my level and end up hating the sport. I noticed Vela has a spot at St. Martin but I've never been to one of their clinics.
Does anyone have any suggestions for where to stay and rent on St. Martin or another suggestion for the Caribbean? Maybe Cabarete would be better and more affordable? I'm female and will be going solo if that makes any difference.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:17 pm
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I would recomend Aruba. Consistent winds, toasty warm this time of year, excellent equipment rentals and instruction, beatiful sandy beaches with waist deep water, perfect for getting your waterstarts down, and flat water. The winds are side- offshore, so there is no chop to deal with. In one week your skills will improve more than in an entire season here on the east coast, at least they did for me. I sailed in St. Croix many years ago, but there were few rentals available and no instruction. I think your idea is an excellent one, as you will definately know within a week if windsurfing is for you. Have fun!
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 4:48 pm
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Current thought is Bonaire is the easiest to learn to waterstart and jibe.
Since the by is mostly upper chest deep, you can fall anytime, stand up, and waterstart to do it again as many times as you want, with no danger of not getting back up.
Light steady breeze, mostly around 16mph, makes for easy learning.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:10 pm
Post subject: Re: ISO warm destination for comfortable return to sailing
JiveTacker wrote:
My goals, if I return are: hone my waterstarts, commit to the harness (I think I'm still afraid of drowning under the sail and, I have the death grip), carving and duck jibe.
Lumping planing jibes in with those other goals WILL set you up for failure.
if you learn them quickly, great; you're gifted. If not, remember that even in the windy Gorge they're just icing on the cake; a consistent waterstart is all one
. I sailed the Gorge in any and every amount of wind essentially full time for many years before learning to jibe; it PISSED ME OFF, but it didn't keep me from enjoying extreme winds.
In 33 years of nearly full-time WSing, mostly in the Gorge plus MANY other venues, I have never gotten stuck under a sail, and the death grip habit will go away once you get comfortable in the harness, which you should and can do in one devoted day. Hook in, sail, unhook, repeat 500 times in any and all conditions. Done. Now you can sail just about all day in comfort and learn everything else much more quickly.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:04 pm
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Maybe schedule a Bonaire trip with an ABK camp. If you like the idea of a female instructor, Meridith is Andy's g/f, and does some teaching also.
For most sailors, a waterstart comfort level is easy to attain in a week, while jibes maybe closer to 2nd year, or 50+ days. Tacks are easier, start with a 130 liter + board size.
Deep water and currents are your worst nightmare, hence Bonaire sailing the shallow bay between the islands.
The reason Bonaire is the leading developer for freestyle sails is the shallow water and steady winds.
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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:35 pm
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zirtaeb wrote:
Maybe schedule a Bonaire trip with an ABK camp.
I second that. I have seen several campers learn the planing jibe within one week there.
AKB camps
are about the best way to improve your windsurfing, and while they teach at a lot of great spots, Bonaire is my absolute favorite. I have been to ABK camps in Bonaire every years since I took the first camp there, and so have many others. I''m counting days until March. Check out
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Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:19 am
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We tried St. Martin at the end of Feb 2012. Rented from the Vela Center and stayed in a nearby hotel (walking distance), again through Vela. The bay is beautiful and the rollers on the outside are fun. If you stay near the Vela center you don't need a car. The winds are light (sometimes too light to plane)
If the wind is up and from the right direction, St Martin can have a challenging beach break. RE air fare/connections, if you're from the east coast, St Martin is easy to get to.
However, it's not as friendly as Bonaire if you want to learn basic skills, like water starting and harness. Bonaire has shallow water (almost) everywhere- sometimes too shallow for safety. You can stay at the windsurfing site, but you probably need a car in Bonaire to grocery shop and to go out to dinner. Bonaire is probably a little cheaper (food and housing) than St Martin.
St. Martin has a nude beach adjacent to the windsurfing area. Thankfully, Bonaire got rid of theirs.
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Bonaire is a great choice and there is a direct flight from Newark that leaves at midnight on Friday and Saturday (5:30 am arrival). This is fantastic because you don't waste a possible sailing day with travel. Blowing 20 knots today:
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BTW: there is nonstop flights to Bonaire from Newark.
A lot of great surfers were ruined by family and steady job.
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the best seafood in town is at Bonefish...the menu on this place's bad website isn't even tempting...and no lobster roll is listed.
Who wrote this review? Did they even go to the restaurant?
Always a tough choice to go here or not. By far the best seafood in the springs. However it will be an hour before you get your food, and the waitstaff will not check on you unless prompted. If Mr. English would hire a real staff instead of relying on family this place would take off.
Too bad you have to share your food with all the flies...
Very good pulled pork sandwich with Mom's Corn and Pea Salad (think 3 bean with lots of upgrades). They have a great selection of beers on tap as well bottled brewery beers. Service is always great and it's a good family atmosphere. Yup, there's lots of kids. They are people too & generally better behaved than any most impaired adults.
We saw "Swamp Cabbage perform all original music. They advertise themselves as Blues band but that was less than half of what they performed. Not the best band I have ever seen at Front Range, but decent musicians in the Southern Rock tradition. Their equipment was not sufficient to give them a full sound and it's a small area that you have to fill with sound. They were on their 10th show in 11 days and had to drive from Ogden Utah but hey...that's the job. Bring it or take a day off. They seemed to complete their sound check during the first set despite having set up an hour before they started. Unprofessional at the least.
For whatever reason, Front Range gets lots of touring bands, blue grass, folk & singer-songwriters. Many seem to play at the Telluride Blues and other festivals the week before or after. So you see acts for usually no cover that people just paid $60 to see.
it has been at least 20 years since I have had the honey wings with potato salad when I was stationed there. The best in the world. you guys need to franchise. Posted by Terrance L. Reese.
The best BBQ in the springs! Great food, great prices, and a drive thru. If you haven't tried it yet you need to go.
we went there for breakfast they still have great shakes but after that it went so down hill. first we got our food well most of it missed one whole platte all together and of coarse it had to be one of the kids. then as i cut into the food mine had a great big long hair. so had to send it back.T...hen we got the platte we were missing and guess what ANOTHER HAIR this time black and long.finshed our meal got our check got no adjustment no im sorry nothing. so i spoke with the owner wow i dont know how that place stays open all he can say is it happens and it was more then likely one of yours. mind you all of my family has light colored hair and the hair we found was jet black . he was so rude . so good luck to anyone who eats there
Glad's has the best bbq ribs,chicken, and pecan pie pie I've ever had. Their sides are also very tasty, especially the green beans and mac & cheese. Cornbread is tasty, but too crumbly. We try to go there at least once a month. The owner and his wife are very personable. Two things I'd like to see: discontinuing use of styrofoam plates and cups and plastic cutlery (due to their not degrading in landfills) I prefer eating from real dishes and glasses when I go to a restaurant. Also I'd be happy if they offered unsweet tea as well as their sweet tea. Despite these small glitches, we'll continue to come to Glad's!
This used to be a good place. Did it change owners? Haven't been in a while and decided to stop about a month ago. Wow has it changed! The food isn't at all what it used to be. BBQ is dry and has a bitter taste to it. Thought maybe they just were having an off day. Stopped at the convenience store in Black Forest and didn't know that they had a location there. Not a good sign when you pull up and the guy running the store was outside smokin weed. The store is very dirty and they guy working seemed put out when I ordered. Needless to say it was worse than my last experience. I didn't even get sauce with the BBQ and again the strange bitter taste. Couldn't even finish our food. Won't be goin back unless the original owner comes back.
service was terrible - my guest said I wasted their time!
I will never eat here again. The wait staff is NOT attentive at all, and never got offered refills the whole time. The food was okay, but nothing exciting, especially for the prices they charge. It used to be a better restaurant when it first opened. Don't waste your time or money. And they were out of several things on the menu. Yeah, great way to run your business. Never going back.
The Alligator Bites were inconsistent. They were different sizes (All were very small), some had more breading than others and some were chewy. They were greasy and had a very bland taste. I also got a bowl of the Chicken & Smoked Sausage Gumbo and was shocked that it contained 90% rice & only 10% Gumbo. It only had 5 small pieces of meat in it. Rice was not at all mentioned in the description on their menu (Online or in-store). I was shocked they charged me $5.99 for a bowl of rice! If you have to do this to your Customers than you need to close the restaurant. I felt the product was not worth the money at all and I was deceived. I will NEVER eat at Culpepper's again!!!
Some of the worst BBQ I have ever had and I know my BBQ. The brisket tasted like it was broiled in an over, the ribs were fatty and I'm not sure what the sausage was made from. The side dishes consisted of baked bean ( tasted like they came from a can) and potato salad (absolutely no flavor what so ever. The only good things I have to say was the portions were large and the service was good.
Great Bar-B-Que, Ribs, Brisket and Chicken. Prices are very good. My wife doesn't care for Bar-B-Que, so she has the cat fish and enjoys it. A little chilly if your upstairs with a group in the winter. But even then, the great food makes up for the tempature.
can i write a review about someone else's review?
why go to the BEST seafood restaurant and rave about the burgers & fries?
PULLED PORK IS EXCELLENT. I'm not a fan of their sauces but I always get mine to go and make carolina style mustard sauce at home.
Any bbq place I've ever been to that has really good bbq focuses just on that and the bbq stands on its own, they don't have to have chicken fried steak, catfish, etc. just good, authentic bbq. But this place just isn't that good, ate there once and that was enough, not just because of the food but the prices they're charging.
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Chapter 1
1-4-3020- Elizabeth knocked on my door crying. Her family's time must have come. That meant that thirty-one families were gone now. Everyone was starving. We were all alone in the world, or as I said before, maybe we were just locked in a cage. I don't care anymore. I was the second person to lose their family to whatever this was. I was the second eldest in the town now without including everyone in the last nine families. Elizabeth turned six that day.
"Liz, I'm sorry to make this a short visit, but I need to go talk to someone," I said. She nodded, and went over to Kelsey's house. I quickly rushed down to Cale's house. He was a year older, and was the oldest person here.
"Cale, we need to talk, now!" I yelled. He came out of his house, and saw that not only was I crying, but I was holding our journal.
"Who, and when?" he asked.
"Elizabeth's family, about an hour ago," I told him. He dug in the box of birth certificates.
"Elizabeth was born six years, and forty-five minutes ago, so, either its fifteen minutes before, or right when they turn six," Cale said. We both lost our family years ago.
"I have to go check on them. I heard that Krista and Carlos are still fighting," I told him. He hugged me, kissed my check, and let me go.
"Good luck," he said.
1-7-3020- That's all I needed when dealing with these two. Carlos tried to kill Krista a week after she turned six. It was a nightmare when you had to deal with them. Normally, Elizabeth's parents would keep them from fighting. Now they were gone though, that job fell to me and Cale. I wish I wasn't the youngest in my family. If I was older, I would still be with them. I missed them still, but I had Cale. I don't like some of the kids, but they look up to me and Cale, so we have to be there to protect them. Neither of us liked it, but we lived with it, and were like… the first couple.
1-10-3020-I pried Krista and Carlos away from each other for the third time that day. Carlos quit clawing me, and Krista quit kicking me, about an hour after I pried them apart. I was used to this by now.
"Taylor, do you need help with them?" asked my friend Ryan. His family was still around, and that's why he was still here.
"You get these two to stop trying to kill each other, and I'll give you a prize… by the way, when does your brother turn six?" I asked.
"Chris turns six next week, why?" Ryan asked.
"Never mind, just get them off of me." Ryan laughed and got Krista and Carlos to get off of me, and not fight. Ryan and I walked down to his house, so I could talk to his parents. They knew that their time was coming, but they weren't completely ready. Everything in this place was messed up. Less than a week, and our population would decrease by another four people.
1-17-3020- Everything has been hectic recently. Ryan's family disappeared on his brother's sixth birthday at the exact moment that Chris turned six. I was there with Chris and Ryan, both were crying sad for what was about to happen. When Chris's birth minute came, Ryan vanished. Ryan's whole family vanished with him. Chris was crying even more. I picked him up and carried him over to Cale's house. Cale was already expecting us.
"When," he asked.
"The exact moment Chris turned six," I said.
Cale took Chris from my hands and gave him a sucker and a teddy bear. Cale whispered something in Chris's ear, and set Chris down. Chris ran down the block to the park.
"You're good with kids," I told Cale.
"Nowhere near as good as you," he whispered in my ear, hugging me.
We had only sixteen more adults, and fourteen more teens, and it was the last year of them being around.
"We're going to lose all the adults by December you know. By next year, it will be only forty people, and all of those people will be younger than fifteen," I said.
"I know… by then, I hope we can figure out what happened to make this all happen. I want my family and all our friends back," Cale told me letting me go. I nodded and started crying again.
5-26-3020- Three more families have vanished. We ran out of food.
"We ran out of food on February 14th, 3020. Taylor, people are starting to die of hunger. We're not getting food from the state anymore, and the little bit of food we're gathering up in the fields is almost completely useless. Hell, I'm not sure if we're the last ones alive, but if we are…" Cale quit talking.
"We aren't… or at least I hope not." Something fell from the sky. It was a blue piece of paper that said. 'Welcome to the games!' This was the strangest thing yet.
12-13-3020- We didn't celebrate birthdays anymore. It was a time of sadness. Cale was 15, I was 14. It was sad time. We got through it with everyone helping. Less than a month and there would not be another adult around. Cale and I were being taught how to drive by the last set of parents. There wasn't much time to learn how to drive. Less than a week, we were doomed.
1-6-3021- All the adults are gone. We have absolutely no food. I was helping a kid with something today, and he vanished in front of me. Cale was right down the street at the time. He dropped everything and jogged over to me.
"What just happened?" Cale asked.
"Mike disappeared," I said as another letter fell from the sky. 'Through the fence is a horrible place. The boy was stupid enough to go there. It's his fault.'
"Mike… sneaking out, that doesn't seem like him," Cale said hugging me.
"We have to keep everyone away from the fence," I said quietly.
2-14-3021- One of the worst Valentine days ever, I'm not kidding. I thought last year was bad, this was ten times worse. We ran out of food completely. Kids started dying. I couldn't handle it anymore, and Cale seemed the same way. Cale and I ran late in the afternoon, we were starving, and didn't want to deal with the trouble back in town. Cale and I went through the fence. What we saw... it was unbearable. I saw my brother's dead body... I saw Cale's sister's body. I only saw the teens though, which meant our parents were either still alive, or... I couldn't handle thinking about it.
2-15-3021- We went outside the fence. Everyone knew that was bad luck. No one knew why. Cale and I were expected to vanish by the end of the day.
5-26-3021- I disappeared, and lived. My brother was still alive. Cale and his sister were still alive. Everyone from our town was here pretty much. I still couldn't tell you why we all appeared here, but we were at the state. I didn't understand at first… the president explained everything really slowly. I was worried about the kids back in the town. Cale was also worried, as were all the parents. Which reminds me, when I was with my brother Luke, he told me that our father died of worry the week after I turned six. I was crying. Cale and Luke both tried to comfort me, but neither of them could. It was my worst birthday ever.
6-13-3021- Everything changed. No one understood. It was as if I was completely alone. Luke and Cale were noticing that I wasn't as close anymore. I was giving up, I couldn't handle it anymore.
6-14-3021- This isn't Taylor anymore, instead this is her brother. Taylor gave up. She gave up everything, life, and other things. Taylor killed herself. I wish she wouldn't have, but I can't change the past. I guess the games are over, as nothing is normal. Everyone woke up in town this morning, so it had something to do with Taylor's death. I wish the past eight years never happened.
6-15-3021- Our world changed a lot. With Taylor gone... Nothing was the same anymore. Our old house had burned down, so I moved in with Cale's family. Sometimes, when I walked past Cale's room, I could hear him crying or lightly playing Taylor's favorite song on his guitar. It always made me sad to hear him. I never knew what he fully felt for Taylor, but I could tell he loved and missed her. I finally gave up on listening to him crying or softly playing the guitar. I finally went in his room when I heard him. It seemed that my presence just mad him sadder.
7-2-3021- I swore I'd keep this up, but I've been really busy. Every now and then, I'll walk past Cale's room, and will hear him cry. Every time this happened, I would go in his room, and we would just talk about Taylor. He cried, and I tried to comfort him. It wasn't easy though. He hurt, and I hurt. We talked, and tried to stay friendly for Taylor. Cale told me everything that ever happened to them while they were here with all the kids. I realized that Taylor had been missing our father since the moment he disappeared. She had missed me too, but not as much as our father. When she saw me, she realized how upset she was. That's why Taylor left. That's why she killed herself.
8-5-3021- Taylor appeared in the town today. She wasn't dead; she had just run away. It wasn't like her to act that way. Cale was scared at first when he saw her, but after he saw that it was really her, he was hugging her, he was crying, he was laughing. It was kind of cute. I wish it never ended, because once everyone figured out what was happening, everyone was cheering, everyone was happy. Taylor and Cale were laughing and crying. Everything was perfect. Until we heard the gun shot.
8-6-3021- Everything changed in moments. At least seven people fell on the ground dead. We were in war then.
8-7-3022- The war is over now. Only a few survived. Cale and Taylor were taken to the state. They haven't been seen since. This will be the last entry, because as I look at this, I realize that I'm not going to be around much longer. Not with the state trying to destroy everyone in the town.
The state had fired at us, they wanted us dead. They are going to kill off everyone. I'm going to run. It's my only chance. They can kill me after I deliver my message to the people. I have to give this to someone. Anyone. Continue the story if you wish, but don't let the state get a hold of it.
Please, share my story with the world.


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Hi all wow you folks have a lot of experience
whats your list of must do disney restaurants please?
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My three favourites are california grill
artist point
yaughtsman steakhouse also I am going to le cellier this year
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I meant to ask about those two
the yachtsmen and le cellier. Both are quite close I think, is one very much better than the other?
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My only MUST do each time I go is JIKO at AKL. We also love the Yachtsman, Artist Point, Citrico's and California Grill. IMHO Yachtsman is head and shoulders above Le Cellier, or at least the Le Cellier that I know. They have recently upgraded it to Signature Dining and we haven't been there yet.
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Re: MUST DO Disney restaurants?
Hhhm, Disney restaurants........well, Yachtsman Steak House is one of our must do every trip, the food is good and also a friend works there, so it's a fun night
Bistro de Paris is another that we like and Kona Cafe at the Polynesian.
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Absolute favorites?
Bistro de Paris (the degustation menu is wonderful!!!)
Cape May New England Clambake (buffet at Beach Club)
Yachtsman's Steakhouse
Jiko (but can be spotty with food quality)
Artist Point.
Now, for less elaborate:
Beaches and Cream
Tangierine Cafe
Patisserie in France
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if i could only do 1 meal at disney it would be yachtsmen steakhouse
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Re: MUST DO Disney restaurants?
I seem to be the odd one out Ive had so so experiences at lots of them.
Bistro de paris was passable but far from amazing in May this year. Expensive for what was on offer although still one of the few decent places at EPCOT.
We've had some good meals at yachtsmans, although I WISH they hadnt stopped doing the bourbon steak but we've had some variable service and sometimes it can feel a bit souless to me ;/ lacking in atmosphere (we've been when it's been very quiet and we've been plonked in a window table overlooking the pool which would normally be great but with no one else around :/ )
Jiko last two times managed to spill a meal bringing it to our table and last time managed to then drop the bottle of wine whilst trying to recover the meal. Meals have ranged from "I have to come back!" to "hmmm :/ cardboard steak"
I'm tough on restaurants, I know I am. It better be AMAZING for me to say they've done well.
California grill - well some of the staff there need retraining but on a good night, with a good table and a good view. Wow. Other than one time, we've always had great food and some of my favourite memories are of watching the fireworks from our table there with a glass of champagne in hand. sigh.
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Jiko! We do it every trip! Never had anything less than a WOW meal there.
I also enjoy Artist Point and Citrico. Yachtsman - more for having a friend who works there than for the food.
For faster service places - Tangierine Cafe - love getting lots of nibbles there!
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November 29, 2012, 10:06 PM | #1 |
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8mm Surplus ammo issues.
I purchased some of the Iranian surplus 8mm Mauser ammo a few days ago. I am sure some of you have seen this stuff for sale.
In firing 20 rounds, 3 did not fire at all. I even attempted to fire the rounds a second time with the same result. 4 of the rounds were hangfires lasting 1/2 - 1 second. The remaining rounds all fired, however the group measured 7" @ 25yds. Rifle was a VZ 24 that I normally get 2" groups at 50 - 75 yards. Lucky for me I did not pay that much for the ammo. Buyer Beware. |
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I just bought 900 rounds of the Yugo surplus from the '50s, I have heard similar things about it, a few non-fires, hangfires are to be expected. Although I also read that if you are shooting an old Mauser, your firing protrusion and firing pin spring may not be up to the task, at least as far as on the old Yugo, which I read has incredibly hard primers.
Google Mauser firing pin protrusion and read up on it. It won't solve all of your surplus ammo woes but it could help. |
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I have had great accuracy w/ 50s Yugo surplus + it's on stripper clips. I have had a few FTF that required a second strike. I have some 80s stuff that looks like it was made yesterday; it is good too, but not on strippers. I bought all of this at LGS.
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Firing pin protrusion is not an issue with the rifle I am using.
I too have blasted away many rounds of the Yugo surplus both old and new and in the same rifle. All of the Yugo surplus is surfire and accurate. I still have some. After reading responses to this post, I went and pulled the bullets from the 3 that FTF. The primers did not ignite. Also the powder used was trapezoidal flakes and the powder showed clear signs of deterioration averaging up to 10%. The deterioration was more than likely greater in the rounds that hangfired. Seems to explain everything to include the gross inaccuracy of this stuff. I too was attracted to the low cost of this stuff and wanted to make sure fellow TFL guys knew what to expect. |
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Thanks Chiefr. I will report back once I can make it out to the range to try this stuff out. Most of the firing pin protrusion issues I have read about seem to center largely around the older, Turkish Mausers like I have. I have not heard of too many of these issues with more modern Yugos, K98s, etc.
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Just a note that if you get a misfire, it might be a hangfire and the bolt should be left closed and the rifle pointed in a safe direction for (IMHO) at least 30 seconds. Ejecting the misfire and having the cartridge explode inches from your face might not be too good for future girl watching.
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I have a yugo 24/47 and it seems that yugo ammo works the best.
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I used to use corrosive surplus for my K98 for plinking, but honestly, there are some very good small manus out there if you don't want to reload or there is always affordable Sellior & Bellot to make the gun consistently perform the way it should---accurately.
I still have various corrosive ammo stockpiled in the event I might want to use it some day...but I can't imagine when..
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If you are shooting a surplus bolt action rifle, always remember to take your bolt out, take it apart, and clean the firing pin and bolt thoroughly when you first get it. You'd be amazed at how many people come to the range and have cleaned everything but their bolt and wonder why their rounds don't fire!
That being said, with a clean bolt and experiencing the same problems, it could just be the ammo...I have stuff from the '40s and '50s. It still goes bang and is corrosive, but it's fun to shoot and sometimes requires two primer strikes. Stay safe! |
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Just me talking, but I'd throw the Iranian, Egyptian, and Iraqi 8mm away and just get some PRVI 8mm if you can't find Yugo or Romanian surplus. I've learned my lesson on Third World ammunition.
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I never fired 8mm loaded in the 40's. A lot of that stuff was loaded by slave labor and POW's.
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My shooting buddy and I both have had very poor performance from the 50's Yugo 8mm. Many of his required up to four tries before firing. Some never fired. I call it the "UN Safety Ammo"......
My three hundred rounds (bought from Sportsman's Guide) had so few that would actually fire I ended up pulling them all down for the bullets. It's amazing some shooters report such 'good accuracy'. My weighing of the components found the nominal 198 grain bullets varying from 194 grains to just under 200 grains. Powder varied over about a four grain range too. The powder went onto the garden. Now my 70's production Yugo 8mm - wish I could find more - LOVE IT! That stuff rocks! Excellent performance, fires everytime and is accurate!
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Finally made it to the range to try out the 1950s Yugo on the stripper clips. I only had time to try a few stripper clips of it. I have four FTF in two five round clips. In the same trip, I also brought some of the Yugo M75 "Sniper" ammo. All twenty of these rounds shot perfectly.
FWIW, I have a 1937 Turkish Mauser that I am told was re-arsenaled in Turkey, but it actually an M1903 so it dates probably back to the WWI era. I am curious if a newer 24/47 or M48 Mauser would ignite the 1950s Yugo any better? (stronger firing pin spring, etc.) It's a shame, it is beautiful ammo, it looks like new, the packaging was all perfect when I opened the spam can. And I have a 1260 round case of it. Not sure if I should sell it or try it in a newer Mauser or order a Wolf replacement firing pin spring for my Turkish Mauser? |
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I had a lot of 8mm loaded in 1940 that had misfires or hangfires every round. Gunplummer might have the reason why, except that I was unaware that there was much slave labor in Canada.
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January 1, 2013, 10:30 PM | #17 |
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Location: Alabama
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My M38 Turkish Mauser will not shoot the 50's Yugo reliably. I replaced the spring and the firing pin, no luck. It will shoot Romanian or commercial all day. My Vz24 and my M48 have no problems with the 50's Yugo and I have yet to have a FTF with them.
January 2, 2013, 12:14 AM | #18 |
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Thanks Tidewater. Sounds like I need to get that 24/47 or M48 I have been thinking about.
January 3, 2013, 12:51 PM | #19 |
Join Date: January 3, 2013
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on most sites they say to expect hangfires and duds from that ammo due to age and how it was stored.
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Faith & Learning
Integration of Faith and Learning
Have you ever really watched a drummer in a band? There is something unique about their understanding of all that is happening as they play. They set a tempo, know the role of the other band members and the audience, and yet find a way to sing along even as they are playing their instrument. They are fully engaged and participating in the moment. With that idea of immersion, Taylor University functions on the premise and expectation that there is an intentional integration of faith and learning happening on our campus. The stage is set, but it requires full participation by the individual members of our community. This integration isn't defined by a devotional, prayer before class, or limited to the required Bible curriculum. Instead, it is a life-long skill, not a limited piece of your college experience.
Dr. Mark Cosgrove, Professor of Taylor's Psychology Department, teaches the Foundation of Christian Thought course taken by every Taylor freshman. This excerpt from his book by the same name provides a great framework for this conversation.
Faith and learning belong together, and knowledge is limited when one is used without the other. Faith needs learning, and learning needs faith. Faith without assumptions tends to study the trivial. Christians should strive to integrate faith and learning and thus improve their ability to know truth. This has always been the goal of thoughtful Christians who have been involved in educational endeavors and the founding of schools from early times.
The foundational authority, or the worldview, model says that the major contribution of the Bible to our academic and life pursuits is that it gives us a worldview foundation from which to do our studies in science, social science, and the arts. This worldview approach acknowledges that beliefs do make a difference in academic pursuits. One's faith or worldview does matter when one engages in the learning process. Our beliefs affect the subject areas we take an interest in studying, the methods we use to study anything, and the interpretations of, or meaning we bring to, the accumulations of facts.
In other words, the learning process in school is never an academically unbiased process; one's learning is always affected by one's worldview belief. The worldview mode, therefore, seeks to transform culture and ideas rather than reject, ignore or just mix with culture and ideas.
Dr. Mark Cosgrove
Foundations of Christian Thought (2006)