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Wisconsin Supreme Court Race Will Likely Get Costly
Most of the cash in high court campaign will spent by conservative and liberal outside groups — not the candidates themselves.
On Tuesday, Wisconsin will hold a primary election for state Supreme Court, narrowing the field from three candidates to two. Then the race will begin in earnest.
Justice Patience Roggensack, who has already served one 10-year term on the state's highest court, is expected to survive the cut. Her challengers are Ed Fallone, a Marquette University Law School professor, and Vince Megna, a Milwaukee lawyer specializing in suing auto companies. The general election is April 2.
Between Jan. 1 and Feb. 4, according to the most recent reporting, Roggensack had raised about $200,000, compared to Fallone's $75,000 and Megna's $0. Roggensack reported having $219,154 cash on hand, compared to Fallone's $63,713 and Megna's $5,340. Most of Megna's money came from a $10,000 contribution to himself.
Roggensack has held four fundraisers since late January and plans at least two more this month, explicitly seeking donations as high as $2,500. Meanwhile, former Democratic U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold recently sent out a fundraising letter on Fallone's behalf, asking for $5 contributions.
But the biggest players may be outside groups like the conservative Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce, which spent more than $5 million on the past four state Supreme Court elections combined, and the liberal Greater Wisconsin Committee, whose total topped $4 million.
In three of these elections — 2007, 2008 and 2011 — the nonpartisan Wisconsin Democracy Campaign estimated total spending at or near $6 million, with the majority coming from outside groups.
The remaining election, in 2009, was a relatively low-spending affair: only about $2.2 million. But it was nonetheless a blowout.
Chief Justice Shirley Abrahamson spent nearly $1.5 million and drew $465,000 in support from the Greater Wisconsin Committee. Her unsuccessful challenger, Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Randy Koschnick, spent less than $200,000 and was largely ignored by outside conservative groups, which apparently calculated that the well-known Abrahamson, on the bench since 1976, could not be beat.
But Roggensack, a former appeals court judge who narrowly won election to an open seat in 2003, may face a tougher fight, as did Justice David Prosser in 2011. While incumbency remains a powerful advantage, anger toward Republican Gov. Scott Walker has translated, fairly or not, into opposition to court conservatives.
Roggensack's foes, as well as her supporters, will likely respond to her perceived vulnerability by digging deep into their coffers. Already, the conservative Wisconsin Club for Growth has been airing pro-Roggensack ads, buttressing her own early ad campaign. All signs point to another jaw-dropping spend-fest.
"It's going to be huge," says Megna of the role of money in the race. "This is probably the most important election (in years). The winner controls the court. If Roggensack wins, the four-conservative majority stays in place. If she loses, the four-conservative majority is gone."
Fallone, meanwhile, is linking Roggensack to the discord and dysfunction that have sullied the court's reputation. He's blamed Roggensack for feuding with Abrahamson, blocking discipline against Prosser and closing court conferences to the public.
Megna identifies himself as liberal, and a Democrat, an unusual stance for someone seeking nonpartisan office. He deserves points for candor, even if he may lose some for not always knowing what he's talking about, as this column has reported.
Fallone eschews labels, saying he will decide cases "solely on the law, and without regard to politics or personalities." Roggensack, who is making experience the key issue of her campaign, says the same thing: "I have fairly and impartially applied the law, as the facts of each case have required."
The irony is that much of the monetary support for Roggensack and her general election challenger will come from people who don't believe these statements at all. They'll be giving to back the court candidate they feel will best represent either a liberal or conservative ideology.
Brian Dey
3:05 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
And once again, the unions will lose even though they pour money into Fallone's campaign. That is the single most reason not to vote for a Democrat because there is no way in hell that eithr will be objective.
As for Megna, the only reason he is running is he has a personal grudge against Walker for signing Act 92 which cost him money because it limits the amount a consumer attorney can rip-off of their client, and guess what. He's a consumer attorney...go figure.
Oh the Dems so want to beat Walker and reverse Act 10...not gonna happen!
6:39 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Justice Patience Roggensack is the only one qualified. She is fair minded and driven by the law and is a competent Judge. I think the state of Wi likes ACT 10 and conceal carry. They will come out to save there RIGHTS. Its a lot harder to herd the mindless liberal sheep in this type of election. .
Mr Lundt
7:39 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The lefties sure pick "odd" times to call for governmental balance.
When ever they are losing a race based on merit they play the victim/fairness card.
9:56 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
When you have no soul and can't find your way, you vote for Falone.
When you vote for Falone, you become a loser.
When you become a loser, you feel depressed.
When you feel depressed, you continue to vote for liberals.
When you vote for liberals, you lose your freedom.
And when you lose your freedom, you lose everything.
Don't vote for Falone.
Brian Dey
10:04 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Walker becoming Governor... Big!
Walker winning the recall...Bigger!!!
Roggensack keeping her seat...PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!
Keith Schmitz
7:05 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Make that costly.
Hit the OFF switch on GOP insanity and irresponsibility. Vote Ed Fallone.
Bob McBride
8:24 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
With endorsements like that, who needs attack ads? Down goes Fallone...
Mr Lundt
7:24 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Ed Fallone!
That sound you here is the ambulances he chases and the union thugs that back him. What you don't hear?-- a lick of experience.
The last thing we need is another do-gooder community organizer in high office.
How can you tell Roggensack has been a GREAT justice--no one on the left talks about her record. All they have is silly, baseless innuendo.
While we need to stop the dysfunction of some of the current Supreme court Justices---Roggensack was never part of that issue.
Money Bagger
12:20 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
The New McCarthyism! Same as the old one!
Have a nice Dey!
Colonel Mustard
10:56 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Well, we see how well it worked out for the crazed Allen West (former 1 term Congressman). He got his butt kicked up to his loud mouth.
The next up-coming "McCarthy" Clone is loud-mouthed Sen. (of 6 weeks) Ted Cruz (TEA BAGGER - TX).
9:42 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
It's hard for anyone to beat an incumbant who has the majority of their campaign funding coming from out of state, thus inflating their coffers threefold over the next closest campaign fund.
9:53 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
And that gets compounded when you run two clowns, that have never been judges, for the friggin' Supreme Court. It's only the primary, you ain't seen nothing yet.

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Saturday, September 19, 2009
Sherry Carr's Community Meeting
Topic 1 - Getting kids to school from daycare and from school to after-school care.
This seems to be an issue around Olympic View (which I thought had on-site daycare but this is likely another daycare). This is important because it raise several issues.
One is that apparently some kids get yellow bus transportation to and from daycare. I certainly wouldn't have thought this true but I think I understood Sherry to say this was on a space available basis. Many parents there felt this issue needed to be addressed in the new SAP and that space-available was not good enough. I mentioned that walkability was not weighted in the new SAP and only one of several variables used to make the boundaries. I told parents to tell the district how much this means to them. (Also, someone brought up that the walk path from their home took several kids past the house of a registered sex offender. I would have thought the district would check walk paths for this kind of thing because no parent wants that.)
However, I didn't say (but wanted to gently point out) that many other districts have little to no transportation. (I was just talking to friends in Palo Alto and their district has no transportation.) One of our biggest costs in this district IS transportation. Now under the new SAP, if most people stay near home, then the district will see this cost savings right away. However, as Charlie has pointed out, there are issues of transporting kids to Option Schools and high school kids to out of area high schools (if there is room or they get in on an Open Choice seat) on yellow bus if Metro is not available. We still have transportation issues. What I am trying to say is that this district really had a LOT of transportation available and I think the pullback may be traumatic for some if the district says, sorry, that's it.
A woman also brought up whether parents would be able to enroll their student using their work address, saying that it was just more convenient for some parents. I had heard from district staff that a lot of the out-of-district enrollment in the south end comes from parents who wanted their child near where they work. I don't recall seeing this in the new SProxy-Connection: keep-alive
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Topic 2 - Alternative school audit. I came in on the tail end of this but it seemed a couple of parents were good with the delay. However, I did smile when Sherry said that it wouldn't be good to have the audit if they couldn't then implement the recommendations. Well, that hasn't stopped the district yet; how many of the APP audit recommendations did they implement?
Topic 3 - High school seat time. This came up in the thread about the district changing to a "D" average for graduation. Parents from West Seattle have been working on this issue for years and have accumulated a mass of information. Basically, if you go to Roosevelt or Garfield, you would get out of school, based on the instructional time (which includes everything except lunch even early dismissal days), on time in June. If you went to Rainier Beach, based on the seat time, you'd get out in July and from Hale, in August. (This, of course, is hypothetical.)
I pointed out, as did someone else in the "D" thread, that this seems odd that the district is hurrying towards curriculum alignment of the high schools and yet this issue has gone under the radar. (I would also point out that I need to read and post the Cohort study released to the Board; Sherry referred to it several times and it looks like it has some good info.) I said my mantra of parents not being detectives and that there should be a baseline (that I think includes instructional time) for every single high school (unless it is an alternative). That means you go into any comprehensive high school and find X number of AP and Honors classes, music/arts in some form, etc. Then each high school has its own focus and programs but you, as a parent, would go in knowing the baseline for SPS high schools.
There was one Hale parent there who got a little prickly over the issue. Look, Hale is a good school that has a somewhat different model (Coalition of Essential Schools - previously discussed in another thread) and he argued that seat time was not the whole story. And he would be right except that the amount of time is so glaring between schools. He also said something quite interesting that I'll have to run past Michael Tolley, the high school director. He said that they did have a large number of early releases/late starts days but that didn't mean the kids weren't in the building. A teacher I know was there at the meeting and we exchanged glances because this seemed odd. The parent continued that the students came and were working on their senior projects, etc. The teacher asked about supervision and the parent shrugged.
I'll have to ask Mr. Tolley but I think you can't have kids in the building without supervision. This was one of the issues at Roosevelt (and other schools) during the WASL. We could not have kids come to the school if they (1) didn't have a specific purpose for being there and (2) had no supervision. So the teacher and I were puzzled over Hale having large numbers of students unsupervised in their building while staff and teachers were getting professional development.
It's definitely on Sherry's radar and I think it will get some play soon.
To me, it's an example of these little waivers here and there and everywhere in the district where there is a rule/policy and yet one school gets out of it. For example, all the other high schools have to start early except Center and Hale. (Even Ballard who had started at 8:30 got pushed back to 8.) Now I get Center because it's downtown. I was told Hale got to stay with its later start because it was "cost-neutral" to the district. I wonder how many schools know that if something is cost neutral, the district will grant a waiver.
33 comments:
- Maureen said...
Melissa, do you know if there is a list (documentation) somewhere of waivers granted? Do they come before the Board? I'm thinking of seat time in particular (for middle schools as well as High Schools.)
- Isabel D'Ambrosia said...
I would like to hear more about the high school seat time differential.
Are you saying that Hale starts later and then has a shorter school day or shorter classes?
Also -- about "waivers". Waivers aren't always bad or simply unfair. I think it's good to give programs/schools an extra measure of flexibility when it makes sense. - 9/19/09, 5:01 PM
- hschinske said...
Seems to me I've heard about kids taking yellow buses to daycare right from the beginning, that it was a standard thing to have transportation ask you if you wanted your home address or a daycare address for pick-up, drop-off, or both. The Transportation page says:
The choice address will be the transportation service address. Alternate service addresses will be considered for feasibility for the following situations:
* Child care
* Supervision
* Work (student employment)
* After school Activity
Helen Schinske - 9/19/09, 5:25 PM
- seattle citizen said...
The seat time differential is based on a couple of factors:
State requirements and school scheduling. The state requires a certain amount of hours, I think it's 150 per credit? But recently the state watered down (some see it this way) the parameters of what constitutes "instructional time."
Now, apparently, according to the state passing time, break, etc, everything but actual lunch, are counted as instructional time.
As, apparently, are PD days (some of them, probably: some, such as actual days off, probably don't count, but early release or late start, apparently does...those two hours or whatever count as instruction time in some accountings.
So a BLT or building or whatever, when setting its schedule, could have a longer break, shorter classes, more late starts etc. But it wouldn't show up because it's all "Instructional time." Of course, the students aren't in their seats... - 9/19/09, 5:42 PM
- Melissa Westbrook said...
Isabel, I will try to get the data from the West Seattle parents who compiled it but yes, I believe that is the case. I mean, Hale has something like 38 days of what? 2 or 2.5 hr late starts? Did you think this was happening at all high schools? I think it started because of the regulations of the Gates grant to certain high schools. Some high schools kept the late starts (Ballard and Roosevelt only do early releases now and far fewer than Hale.)
- Syd said...
Palo Alto had 58598 people total at the last census. I am not sure you can compare that with Seattle.
- Melissa Westbrook said...
Yes, I know Palo Alto is smaller than Seattle; it was just for sake of illustration. Here's San Jose's transportation (they have about 31,000 pupils):
"Why do some students receive free bus service?
A. School districts are required by state law to provide free transportation for students who meet one of the following critera:
• Eligible for free meals program
• Eligible under District's guidelines for VIP
• Eligible under special education services through an IEP, only if transportation is checked on the form C of the IEP
* Students who receive reduced price meals, will pay a reduced fee bus pass."
Everybody else pays but hey, it's only up to $672 per year.
From California:'
"Schools will allow only students who live outside a 1.5 mile radius of an elementary institution in the Berkeley Unified School District to reserve a seat on their bus in the new school year.
The change will not affect middle or high school students because the district does not provide them with transportation services, except in the case of special education students.
Berkeley Unified's new walk boundary will increase the district's existing walk boundary—which district officials said had been established in 1995—by .5 mile.
District Superintendent Bill Huyett said there was no cause for alarm yet.
"It's one of the small things that comes with the budget cuts," he said. "Many districts have completely dropped transportation. Berkeley Unified did not have to take such drastic measures."
Huyett said Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger was proposing to slash 65 percent from transportation funds while the Legislature was proposing a 20 percent cut.
"We have to plan on the 65 percent cut," Huyett said. "We are subsidizing transportation to a great extent. The state will not pay."
I note that many districts walk area is between 1.5 and 2 miles. Two miles.
We have a good deal going in this district and it may not be the same after the SAP. The district is probably lagging behind many other districts and states in walk distance and costs. - 9/19/09, 9:52 PM
- seattle parent said...
Waivers for seat time apply only for high schools (re:150 hrs per credit). Only 21waivers were issued to individual high schools statewide last year. In Seattle, the last waiver was issued for the '07-'08 year to West Seattle HS (for 123.8 hours per credit)which was approved by the district and voted/approved by the School Board because parents were told, there were "no minimum requirements" in either state law or board policy, when applying for a waiver!
I agree with Melissa, there should be atleast a minimum standard that all families can count on, and this need to be specified in the Policy D15.00, as well as a proper definition of "planned instructional activities" (as worded in the proposed D15.00 policy).
Previously the district calculated "instructional hours" like most parent would- they deducted all non-classroom related hours such as passing time between classes, time spent at home for the 3 waiver days, WASL testing days (8 for HS), for early release/late arrival days, extended breaks for 2nd breakfasts, etc. That's how WSHS ended up with only 123.8 hours.
Today, with the new district procedures (not included in the policy, but referred to in the policy), there would never be a reason for a waiver, infact it would be an impossibility. Since now basically everything (except for lunch) counts towards the instructional hour calculation, 6 hrs/day for 6 classes = 1 hr. per class x 180 days = 180 hours! Masterful, we now exceed the state requirement by 30 hours per credit. Our students must be excelling with all this newly found instructional time!
It's clear that Policy D15.00 should not be approved until these issues are fixed.
Seattle Parent
(not to be confused with Seattle Citizen) - 9/19/09, 11:02 PM
- adhoc said...
Is policy D15:00 coming to the board for a vote?
- seattle parent said...
Adhoc- Yes, Policy 15.00 was introduced last week to the Board, and will be voted on Oct. 7th. This policy includes the controversial "D" average to graduate, the new 11-point grading (B-, C+) system, and HS credit for some MS classes, as well as the new definition of a high school credit (which, unlike the other issues, has had absolutely NO opportunity for "community engagement and stakeholder evaluation process", despite specific assurance that this would happen by the SPS legal department).
Unfortunately, this policy is bundled with two other policies, C15.00 and D128.00 and the district's intention is that they will all be voted on as a whole package sweep. There is a link to all these documents on the School Board Meeting Agenda, for 9/16/09:
agenda.htm - 9/20/09, 9:30 AM
- Patrick said...
I went to Palo Alto schools for 5th-12th grade, 1973/74-1980/81. At that time, there were a few students who took school busses to junior high and high school, but most did not. Palo Alto School District at least then served students in Los Altos Hills by bussing. Los Altos Hills is a low-density town, probably averaging over 5 acre lots connected with high-speed rural highways with no sidewalks or shoulders. Are they really serving those students with no bussing? Maybe they've put them in a separate district by now.
Anyway, Palo Alto differs from Seattle not only by size. Palo Alto is an expensive city, and the families are highly motivated academically, watch their schools closely, and will move heaven and earth to support them regardless of the dismal state of public funding.
Oakland or San Francisco would be a better comparison to Seattle. I have heard that there's a significant fraud problem with families that live in Oakland setting up fraudulent addresses in Berkeley so their children can stay out of Oakland schools. It's hard to blame the families for doing that, and yet if all the motivated families take their children out, that makes Oakland's problems even worse. That reminds me of the Seattle families who send their kids out-of-cluster or to Shoreline (except in Seattle's case it's legal). - 9/20/09, 9:38 AM
- adhoc said...
It seems irresponsible and reprehensible to present D15:00 as a "package"? Each of the 4 components deserves individual attention, and an individual vote.
For instance I wholly support high school credit for MS work, but I strongly oppose the D average to graduate.
The definition of a high school credit, and the 11 point grading system should warrant plenty of community engagement, along with research and data presented to the board.
It's hard for me to comprehend that if a board member decides to vote no to the "D" average graduation policy, they will also be voting no for the high school credit for middle school work.
It's really Absurd. - 9/20/09, 11:06 AM
- adhoc said...
I am sending this letter to each board director.
It seems irresponsible and reprehensible to me that staff would present the board with D15:00 as a "package"? Each of the 4 components of D15:00 deserve individual attention, and an individual vote. The board should vote no on the "package", and demand that the 4 components be presented separately.
The 4 components
1) D average to graduate
2) 11 point grading system
3) high school credit for MS work
4) definition of a credit (seat or instructional time for HS students)
I wholly support high school credit for MS work, but I strongly oppose the D average to graduate.
It's hard for me to comprehend that if a board member decides to vote no to the "D" average graduation policy, they must also vote no for the high school credit for middle school work as they are tied together as a package.
As for the "definition of a high school credit", and the "11 point grading system", the board should demand plenty of community engagement, research, and data before voting.
Please vote no on the package, and demand each of these components be presented individually. - 9/20/09, 11:27 AM
- Sahila said...
I think your letter is great, adhoc... lets hope they listen
- seattle citizen said...
Seattle Parent should "not to be confused with Seattle Citizen"
I agree. We should be confused separately!
Seattle Citizen - 9/20/09, 1:37 PM
- BullDogger said...
I presented yesterday and MW is right, this is the better part of 2 years of "detective" work. I had never heard her mantra before so I was absolutely charmed by it... so much so we repeated it to Peter Meier 2 hour later.
You're doing the right thing writing and hopefully more people will as we get the word out. The staff doesn't even include this in the board presentation. Verbally they describe it as an alignment with state policy but it is far more than that.
The other issue the board was not made aware of is the $175-300K impact on apportionment revenue per year if they continue to offer such ineqitable classroom time between the high schools. The auditor will review at the enrollment audit in the next few weeks and, from my converstion with district legal counsel after the board meeting on Wednesday, the staff doesn't get it yet. Some additional word from parents should help motivate them to take the study we've done, read it and understand it. - 9/20/09, 1:45 PM
- uxolo said...
A "D" is not an "F" - is a D a passing grade? If so, why can't a student graduate with passing (but low) grades?
- Stu said...
A "D" is not an "F" - is a D a passing grade? If so, why can't a student graduate with passing (but low) grades?
Yeah, I guess I'm not sure I understand the uproar about this one either. "F" means failing . . . anything above that means passing; it's pretty clear.
That said, I wouldn't mind seeing a C requirement for participation in sports. Where are the priorities?
stu - 9/20/09, 5:16 PM
- BullDogger said...
Picture this motivational conversation when your XXXXball playing child is looking questionable on the source.
"Son... you need to keep at this homework if you want to play XXXXball. I expect nothing less than a 'D'"
That should get him fired up. - 9/20/09, 6:27 PM
- seattle citizen said...
I agree with uxolo and Stu -
A "D" is passing, right, so why doesn't it count? Not that it's a good grade...
Some argue that colleges won't accept a kid with Ds, and this is true...then the kid should work harder.
Also, if D isn't graduating, does it led to grade inflation, so what was a D now just becomes a C?
I also agree that for extracurricular activities (not limited to sports) a C is a good thing, it's leverage. - 9/20/09, 7:34 PM
- BullDogger said...
Similar to my (lighthearted) comment above I think a 'D' average to graduate undermines my ability to motivate the child.
Remember, a few stray D's or even F's (E's) does not make a D average. A 'D' average is really hard to get. There were only 129 students affected last year out of what, 3000 students graduating. To me that means 2871 students just had the parents motivational tool removed from the toolbox.
Even those 129 students affected were able to request a waiver. These policy proposals originate from the Principals and the counselors. Those roles are motivated to create policy that lessens their workload even though the waiver process, where individual circumstances are considered, may be more appropriate. - 9/20/09, 8:59 PM
- Patrick said...
A "D" is a pass, but it's a very low pass. We allow occasional "D" work to count towards graduation, but if a student has nothing but "D" work they don't deserve to graduate.
- Stu said...
A "D" is a pass, but it's a very low pass. We allow occasional "D" work to count towards graduation, but if a student has nothing but "D" work they don't deserve to graduate.
Then get rid of the "D" grade. You can't have a "passing grade" but not be allowed to pass. If you change the language so everything under a C- is an F, you can stop them from graduating. "D" is a legitimate grade and, therefore, is graduation-worthy. However, since the goal of school is to educate, the idea of saying "no partcipation in extra-curricluar activities" to those with an average lower than a C, is at least reinforcing the idea that spending more time with studies is important.
There is, of course, the counter-argument that says after-school activities, i.e., sports, clubs, whatever, are equally important to the overall educational experience. Some kids test poorly, or have poor study habits, or no support at home, and the self-esteem and values learned in sports and clubs is an essential lesson.
Still, an "F" is an "F" but a "D" is just a "D."
stu - 9/21/09, 9:19 AM
- mom of 3 said...
Hale has a 1.5 hour late start every Tuesday. As a parent, I support this late start, because I've seen how it contributes to teachers collaborating together and being able to effectively differentiate curriculum when needed. These two pieces are very important to me, and I believe they result in more effective use of the class time that the students have.
I think classes on Tuesday are 40 minutes long rather than 50 - to me that's an small trade-off for more effective teaching/learning. - 9/21/09, 11:18 AM
- hschinske said...
I maintain that it doesn't matter what you call it, scraping through with the lowest possible average is never going to be an honorable matter. Plus anyone who's getting a pile of D's and F's is already not listening to the powers that be. I don't see how a change in grading policy is going to make any difference whatsoever. It's *how* grades are assigned that has some bearing on standards, not what those grades are called.
And don't tell me that a grade is objective because it represents a certain percentage correct. You can skew an assessment any old way. I used to have a teacher who purposely gave tests that almost no one could get more than 50% credit on. Naturally he couldn't use the "90% and up, A" criteria, but darned if he didn't have some of the highest actual standards I've ever seen. If you got an A from him, it was really earned.
Helen Schinske - 9/21/09, 1:27 PM
- Melissa Westbrook said...
Adhoc, they did have public engagement on the issues about the D.15 package. I doubt they would go back however, I do agree with you about breaking that proposal up. Those items are 4 different things and should be voted on that way.
In another thread, we discussed a lot of the pros and cons of the D average. The argument about a D for sports is that if it is a D for graduation, why would it be different for sports?
I agree with those who say playing sports isn't a right but a privilege. I think for any sanction outside activity that likely takes a lot more time (as opposed to a club) like music, drama or sports, you should be able to keep up.
My son made that same argument: if D is passing, it's passing. I just think that lowering the bar is the wrong thing - if only for psychological reasons. Kids, teens, look for any reason to do less (most of the them) work. If you say a D is a true D, if you say it really is more rigorous overall, well, it's just blah, blah, blah to the kids.
They see (and hear) - you can get all Ds and graduate. This is not going to motivate a single student to do better.
And that's why I'm against it. - 9/21/09, 1:58 PM
- seattle parent said...
Updated agenda for today's C&I meeting- it now includes Grading Policy issues which S. Carr added:
1. Call to order – H Martin-Morris
a. Directors present
b. Approval of agenda
c. Approval of minutes
2. Committee Discussion
a. Review of revised materials adoption policy – H Ferguson
b. Develop a strategy and timeline for policy reviews for the 2009-10 school year – All
c. Grading policy: Issue of 150 hours of classtime – S. Carr - 9/21/09, 1:59 PM
- Chris said...
From the discussion about the grading/graduation policy at Peter Maier's meeting, I came away with the following:
Further complicating matters is how "E" (the grade below D) is counted. While there was some disagreement about the timing of the change, E's were (at present or until recently) excluded from the GPA. Now, or in the future, they will count as zero. So if you roll this up with the C requirement becoming a D it may be close to a wash. Clear as mud, right?
Also, Peter made the point that extracurricular activity keeps less-academically-inclined kids in school. If the E-bit is true, keeping the C would exclude more; going to D would preserve the status quo, rather than (as it appears at first blush) being a easy way to push up graduation rates.
I still have to watch that part of the meeting, but I don't get the idea that will clarify much. I was going to tell Peter that the confusing combination of issues was ground to vote against it. I wish I had. Are they training for us US senate or what? - 9/21/09, 3:28 PM
- Charlie Mas said...
First, just because a grade is good enough for passing doesn't mean that it is good enough for graduation. They can be two separate standards.
Second, is there any data to support this myth about extra-curricular activities being the only thing that is keeping struggling students in school? I hear the stories, but I don't see any data. I thought we were supposed to make data-driven decisions. I could make up alternative stories about students who re-doubled their academic efforts to maintain a "C" average and remain eligible for sports (or band, or cheer, or the school play). Both myths are viable, but WHERE'S THE DATA? - 9/22/09, 6:52 AM
- adhoc said...
If the district MUST legally give HS credit for MS work, then how could this component be up for a vote as part of D15:00? What if the directors vote "no" on the package?
- seattle parent said...
Good point, Adhoc-
Bundling the three policies with so many moving parts together for one Board vote just doesn't make any sense.
Additionally, at yesterday's C&I meeting, both Sherry Carr and Steve Sundquist (Harium was absent) strongly urged the District to allow public review and comments at different points during the process to help shape new policy, rather than currently only being able to react to proposed policy when it's too late to do anything but urge a "no" vote. They have some excellent points- doesn't the Strategic Plan have something about public engagement?
This is exactly what has happened with these 3 "bundled" policies coming up for Board vote soon- even though there was a survey sent out to everyone at the HS level (11/08) about only 5 of the moving parts, the community has never been given the opportunity to have input into the shape of these policies since they've been drafted, and thus the uproar at so many different levels.
Please urge all of our Board Directors to step back and take more time for a public "community engagement and stakeholder evaluation process" before these proposed 3 policies come up for a vote. There is no urgent time line on these, as they will not be implemented until the fall of 2010, so let's do it right! - 9/22/09, 10:22 AM
- Charlie Mas said...
Regardless of what the law says, the District follows their Policies - as THEY interpret them - not necessarily as they are written. They get to decide what the words mean. Don't like it? Take them to Court. Don't feel like risking thousands in litigation? Well then, they get away with it.
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The interpreter corrects the mistake and replaces the name of the city. Those in the audience, who understood the Minister because they speak his language, will laugh. Those you are interpreting for won't. They will be very confused.
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I once saw a press conference with Yeltsin, who named all the states with nuclear weapons and included Germany. The interpreter was doing consec and corrected the Presidentm i.e. excluded Germany in his interpretation. I imagine that this was an absolutely no win situation for the interpreter, because obviously it was all over the news that Yeltsin believed Germany to have nuclear weapons (the news desks have their own interpreters and translators), but I believe after having seen it that the interpreter would have been much worse off had he not corrected the President. After this anecdote I would like to add that I agree that you must adapt to the situation when you decide whether to correct or not, and obviously you would never correct the speaker in a court room, or in a hospital. But in those cases you can of course always double check with the speaker; "the interpreter would like to double check - did you say X". A strategy not available in simultaneous of course. answered 11 Apr '12, 17:14 tulkur |
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RUSH: Obama can do whatever he wants without one Republican vote. His problem is fissures popping up in his own party. This is from the Congressional Quarterly: "Democratic Reps. Jim Matheson of Utah and Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona have joined a quiet revolt in the House that could slow some of President Obama's fast-moving priorities. The two are among 49 Democrats from congressional districts that backed Republican Sen. John McCain 's 2008 presidential race and whose support for the Democratic majority's progressive agenda is increasingly not assured. A dozen of them were among 20 House Democrats who voted against the $410 billion discretionary fiscal 2009 spending package (HR 1105) on Feb. 25. Another group later forced House leaders to sideline a contentious bill (HR 1106) to allow bankruptcy judges to modify home loans." They have succeeded in that, by the way.
Shaun Hannitty
"When the President said change what he really means is debt and a whole lot of it. Because that is what the Obamanomics is increasingly looking like."
GLENN: That's right, we are happy socialists, we're all socialists now, don't forget, I know it because Newsweek magazine told me so.
Let me tell you who we conservatives are: We love people. When we look out over the United States of America, when we are anywhere, when we see a group of people, such as this or anywhere, we see Americans. We see human beings. We don't see groups. We don't see victims. We don't see people we want to exploit. What we see -- what we see is potential. We look out across the country and see the average American, the person that makes this country work. We do not see that person with contempt. We don't think that person doesn't have what it takes. We believe that person can be the best he or she wants to be if certain things are just removed from their path like onerous taxes, regulations and too much government.
This was an article from the St. Petersburg Times Newspaper on Sunday. The Business Section asked readers for ideas on "How Would You Fix the Economy?" I thought this was the BEST idea. I think this guy nailed it!
Dear Mr. President,
Patriotic retirement:There's about 40 million people over 50 in the work force; pay them $1 million apiece severance with three stipulations:
1) They leave their jobs. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.
2) They buy NEW American cars. Forty million cars ordered - Auto Industry fixed.
3) They either buy a house or pay off their mortgage- Housing Crisis fixed.
All National financial problems fixed!!!
I like this one. A while back I was on a sidewalk when a woman driving and talking on her cell phone ran up over the curb and onto the sidewalk only to go back onto the street and drive away. She just missed hitting a woman and her little boy. We were all so stunned no one thought to get a license plate number. I would like to see where they also did something about those people throwing cig butts out the window.Anonymoose wrote:How about replacing the car horn with a cell phone de-activator that will force the maroon in front of or behind you to hang up and drive responsibly?
beckonwood wrote:40 million people over 50 in the work force; pay them $1 million apiece
Joe Weinstein wrote:My dog is worried about the economy because Alpo is up to 99 cents a can. That's almost $7.00 in dog money.
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Echinodermata! Starfish! Sea Urchins! Sea Cucumbers! Stone Lillies! Feather Stars! Blastozoans! Sea Daisies! Marine invertebrates found throughout the world's oceans with a rich and ancient fossil legacy. Their biology and evolution includes a wide range of crazy and wonderful things. Let me share those things with YOU!
Tuesday, April 20, 2010
SEA STAR DEFENSE! How do starfish protect themselves??
Its curious how often this question comes up. People see starfish and other echinoderms that are just sitting there. Echinoderms don't work in our time scale-and to our perception, they just kind of sit there.
Even other echinoderms seem to have the defense thing worked out!
Sea urchins got spines. Like these.
Sea cucumbers got that evisceration/gut spewing thing (uh...I'll describe this later but its just gross!).
Crinoids can get all swimmy and do all sorts of things to escape. Click here to see some.
Ophiuroids got arms they can drop.
But starfish? How are these seemingly innocuous creatures able to protect themselves?
How do they get away? When things come after them? What comes after them?
Today...a survey of what sea stars use to defend themselves against their various predators and adversaries.
What are starfish usually worried about? Usually fish...but also crabs, and sometimes other echinoderms...
1. Chemical Defenses. So, this is the one most people seem to miss, but its probably one of the most important. Most starfish have specific type of organic chemical called SAPONINS in their body wall.
Among animals (saponins are also found in plants), saponins are only present in sea cucumbers and starfish. Saponins are very unpleasant tasting and based on studies, such as this one and this one, are found in the larvae as well as the adults.
So, fishes and other predators basically learn that starfish are just AWFUL. In vertebrates, such as cats and/or dogs eating starfish and being poisoned by sapoinins can cause vomiting, nausea, and other unpleasant effects. Humans should take this hint and go with it...
Some species, such as this Astropecten polyacanthus have kicked their defenses up a notch and instead of (or possibly in addition to?) saponins, their body walls contain the deadly TETRODOTOXIN. Tetrodotoxins have this chemical structure and function as nerve-blockers that can result in a variety of unpleasant outocmes including death. Pure Tetrodotoxin is 100 times MORE poisonous then potassium cyanide.
Tetrodotoxin gets its name because it is naturally occuring in puffer fish (order Tetrodontiformes). Wikipedia has an interesting article on it here.
Chemical defense also include the production of SERIOUS amounts of toxic materials such as MUCUS (grammar factoid! Mucus=noun. Mucous=adjective!) in the "slime star" Pteraster tessellatus (and probably all of its relatives in the Pterasteridae.)
This picture is no exaggeration. I've seen these animals produce BUCKETS of mucus in response to being annoyed. Early studies of Pteraster in the lab showed that other animals clogged by the mucus eventually die, suggesting that its not a substance that likely predators are fond of....
2. Armor & Spines. One of the more obvious features one sees in starfish, especially in tropical species is the presence of heavily developed armor and armament, such as the spines in this Protoreaster nodosus.
To be honest, armor and spines as defensive are usually interpretations of how the body forms function in the wild. Tropical starfish in the family Oreasteridae, such as Pentaster and Pentaceraster (below) almost all have these heavily developed bodies.
One major group of starfishes, the Valvataceans, which includes the Oreasteridae and other starfish groups with heavily calcified bodies, are highly diverse and considered evolutionarily successful in tropical regions, especially in the tropical Indo-Pacific.
Its thought that these armored bodies are part of why these starfish are so successful.
For example, here's the underside of the starfish Tosia. The tube foot groove is flanked by thick blunt spines.
These spines close up over the tube foot groove and clasp together. This is thought to protect the animal's tube feet and soft tissue from small predators, such as little shrimps, worms and fish.
In the New Zealand Pentagonaster, there are big, thick armor plates that cover over the armtips.
These are thought to similarly protect the armtips from fish, crabs, and/or other predators that attack the armtips.
If predation pressure is that much higher in the tropics-that may drive the evolution and diversification of tropical starfish species..
The crown of thorns starfish, Acanthaster planci is a big ol' starfish bad-ass. Its got the morphological defenses...the sharp spines AND it has saponins in its body wall.
Even if you look at something familiar like the intertidal Pisaster live in harsh wave-swept regions and have heavily calcified armor that I would say protects them the elements and other predators.
3. Regeneration. Finally...most people are pretty aware of how starfish regenerate...
There's a LOT more I can write about regeneration but the video covers the basics...
One interesting point, however, is also brought up by this paper by Marrs et al. 2000 on arm damage in the North Atlantic Asterias rubens.
They hypothesize that larger individuals have "increased mechancial toughness" and that this replaces the shedding of arms (i.e., autotomy) as an antipredator strategy. There may be a size-related decline in the efficiency of the autotomy mechanism through the relaxation of selection pressure (i.e., the influence of predators).
This was an idea applied to individuals within this species..but if true, then large size itself could be another defense!! One possible explanation for why oreasterids are so big?? Or possibly other species?
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Enjoyable article; also, very RPG-worthy.
- April 21, 2010 at 11:40 AM
- Liam Herringshaw said...
Hi Chris,
Another really interesting article. I don't know much about them, but wondered how important pedicellariae might be for protection too? Any thoughts?
Best wishes,
Liam - April 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM
- ChrisM said...
you are absolutely right. I think they probably are-but sometimes its hard to say when they are for defense and when they are actually used more aggressively (e.g., in Labidiaster for catching food).
One sees abundant pedicellariae on many goniasterids but not on others which implies variation maybe in response to predators? Tempting but hard to say given how little is known.
I will probably blog about pedicellariae before too long and discuss these issue...
There's always SOMETHING...:-) - April 21, 2010 at 12:20 PM
- Irradiatus said...
(oops - previously left this comment on the wrong post - sorry)
I'd also like to add that they have macrophage-like cells that can engulf foreign invaders inside their bodies in both embryos (blastocoelar mesenchymal cells) and adults (coelomocytes).
In fact, I recently sucked some fluid out of a starfish with a syringe (expecting mostly water with a few scattered immune cells). But when I stuck it undera microscope I saw millions upon millions of these cells, some of which are free-swimming flagellated, while others are more "crawly" like a typical macrophage cell.
There was a cool paper a while back that showed that these cells will phagocytose almost any foreign object, like polystyrene beads, bacteria, killed cells from the same species, and urchin sperm (but not live cells from the same species). - April 21, 2010 at 9:04 PM
thanks for the info! lots of help on my homework.
- May 27, 2010 at 9:57 PM
- Heather said...
"Saponins are found only in sea cucumbers and starfish" is incorrect, saponins are found in almost all plants.
- October 28, 2010 at 1:25 PM
- ChrisM said...
thanks heather! I have edited those sentences..
- October 28, 2010 at 2:02 PM


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Citizens committee prioritizes goals for future July 4 events
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Posted by spcwt, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 14, 2012 at 7:56 am
Motorcycles cops in the parade need to tone it down a bit. They�re zooming around, swaying back and forth, all within feet of kids sitting on the curb. That is a disaster waiting to happen. What if a little kid isn�t paying attention and steps in front of a zooming bike?
And do we really need to have Democrats carrying signs saying �I am the 99%� and Republicans with signs saying �Taxed Enough Already�? Can�t we put aside our partisan differences just one day a year and come together to celebrate America?
Posted by Louise, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 15, 2012 at 8:44 am
So what if each political party in the parade expresses themselves with signs? This is America and we can have differences of opinions. Each party gives the public ideas of how different they are. One says they are the majority 99 percents and the others say they pay the majority's taxes and are tired of it. I think they were telling the truth and that's a good thing.
Posted by FanDanville, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 15, 2012 at 10:10 am
If I understand correctly, this article was actually about SAN RAMON's July 4th, not the DANVILLE parade.
So your comments, however valid they might be, are in the wrong place and to the wrong audience.
Posted by JT, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Aug 15, 2012 at 12:25 pm
99% versus 1%...
Taxed Enough Already...
With the state of our economy who would not agree with me that we don't need "trickle down economics," but rather "firehose economics."
If we gave $2,000 to 1,000 taxpayers who would spend it immediately, versus $200,000 to 10 taxpayers, who would likely put it in the bank, perhaps overseas, which would stimulate the economy faster?
Assuming that the bottom 90% of the tax brackets will get tax cuts, that leaves 10% that will have taxes go up. And assuming Republicans and Democrats split the electorate 50/50, where are the 40% that you would think would support middle class tax cuts. Stuck in ideology. Republican branded empty heads.
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