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Sorry, I'm not trying to get in a fight with you. It's just reading the present-tense headline made me think he was entering now.
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I hope he doesn't own any guns, or voluntarily turns them in if he does, especially anyone with that bad of a problem with alcohol ~ even requiring "extensive aftercare counseling" to help them cope with it. As this case proves, such safety considerations after the fact will not change what happened when safety was ignored in the first place.
Get real and grow up, burnie. Just because he's an alcoholic doesn't mean he would endanger some one with a gun.
You know, sometimes I wonder if you have to constantly cut other people down so you feel good about yourself. Are you the classic self righteous with an inferiority complex type?
Drunk driving on the road or water is reckless and demonstrates a total lack of responsibility beforehand. You can make excuses for it if you like. I will not. "Growing up" means sobriety when operating any type of vehicle. Like it or not ~ this was news, as unpleasant as it seems to be for you to admit.
"As many of you know, this culminated in a serious boat accident in August when the boat I was operating was struck by another vessel."
his statment is technically true.
I guess if I was $H&+ faced drunk and cut across my lane sideways into the path of another car, the other car would be the one that ends up striking me.
Like all good politicians no need for him not to spin it and mention the details.
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Didn't he also have a law enforcement officer with him on the boat at the time? If that did not cause him to exercise proper judgment about what to do when drinking, that what in the world would have?
And let's not forget that this is the same elected official that wanted to impeach another elected official.
Yes he did have an LEO on board. That leads to more questions. Why did the LEO allow him to man the helm? It was the LEO's obligation to stop him from running the boat. Was the LEO intoxicated? Wasn't the operator of the other boat intoxicated, too?
Why haven't you taken a stand against Kumar Barve? He was convicted of a DWI and he's still in the MDGA.
I do not believe the other operator of the boat was intoxicated according to the reports I read. You can blame the LEO if you want, but Delegate Dwyer is a big boy and when it comes down to it, the responsibility was his and his alone. If he needs to have someone there to stop him from drinking, then he doesn't need to be driving anything, does he?
What do you think should have happened to Barve? And how many children were injured in whatever drunken escapade he (?) was ~ according to you ~ involved in? You even took a cheap shot at the current~governor's daughter on this very forum before over drinking, and yet you give Delegate Dwyer ~ an adult and a legislator ~ a pass and accuse me of "cutting other people down"?!?!?!
There isn't. But I was wondering based on the comments attributed to Delegate Dwyer in Norman's post.
Since the delegate supposedly admitted that he used alcohol as a coping mechanism and the problem was deemed serious enough to require a treatment program ~ does that mean that it falls under the prohibitions as defined in Maryland's Public Safety § 5133 or Public Safety § 5134?
http://www.lawserver.com/law/state/m...c_safety_5-134(6) is a habitual drunkard;
I guess that would be open to interpretation.
I agree. And one of the frequent complaints we often hear in the ongoing debates about guns is that we need to enforce current gun laws before we look at more gun laws. I do not know if that part of the Maryland Code applies to those who enter alcohol treatment programs to help them cope with problems.
All I was doing was stating what you already said in a previous post. Don't you remember this:
or thisOriginally Posted by octoburn
Originally Posted by octoburn
THe same thing that you said of Dwyer or don't you remember thisOriginally Posted by octoburn
Originally Posted by octoburnOriginally Posted by octoburnOriginally Posted by octoburnOriginally Posted by octoburnI don't remember your accusation of a cheap shot but I do remember commenting on her drinking since she was underage and the police and media were trying cover it up. By the way, did they ever find out where she got the booze and if the person who gave it to her was ever charged? Giving alcohol to a minor is illegal you know.Originally Posted by octoburn
LinkyIs he smug, ignorant, self-righteous, hypocritical, self-serving and a danger to public safety masquerading as a protector of virtue and family values or is Don Dwyer a decent, selfless, defender of the Constitution and God-fearing man who simply made an error in judgment and deserves forgiveness?...
I dont think I and many others would be picking on Dwyer if he were not holier than us. But he did name his boat The Legislator and put the state seal on it and then acted like a seal in a drunken state. Perhaps he should have called the boat The Drunkinator.
One has to ask: When has he ever represented his constituents fully and completely with character and trustworthiness? Hes mostly been an embarrassment in the General Assembly, but chalk up another one for his arrogance when he talks about his character and trustworthiness. Dwyer can ask for, and maybe even receive, all the forgiveness he wants, and perhaps even deserves, but that does not mean we should have him in our legislature, which reconvenes today.
Great op~ed piece!
I like this op~ed piece about your op-ed writer. The comments are even better. Seems that he's nothing but a whiner that constantly writes to the paper. Replace him with a cartoon. What a hoot!
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I tend to eat organic, after being advised by my mother's oncologist that she felt it increased cancer risk. Frankly, I think the jury is still out on that, but I don't find it inconvenient since I get most produce from farmer's markets. I also find organic produce to be of higher quality than conventional most of the time. To each his own on this one - the majority of my diet is made up of fruit and vegetables, so I would likely be ingesting more chemicals than most people if I ate a lot of non-organic foods.
This is just my choice, and I don't think people who are eating non-organic foods are less intelligent or need to "wake up" and conform to my way of thinking. I do wonder if eating non-organic foods makes one arrogant and prone to bullying others.
Food for thought...
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HA! SOMEbody's sleeping-off a certified nutrition-free lunch.
Posted by Danville Mom, a resident of the Danville neighborhood, on Jan 25, 2013 at 8:41 pm
Diane, you crack me up! You won't fit in here at all if you don't grow a huge ego and belittle anyone who doesn't agree with you though.
I agree on the organic preference. With the health issues present in migrant workers who work in non-organic fields vs. those who work in the organic fields, I tend to avoid foods with pesticides for my family. I avoid "whole paycheck" though. Trader Joe's has a nice selection of cheap organic produce.
Oddly, I don't feel the need to ridicule anyone that disagrees - what a concept!
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Recently got a job with Geo thermal vertical ground loop system. It has 8 heat pumps in the 3 to 5 ton range and a 30 ton chiller all runnig off the cooling or heating affect of the ground loop. The 30 ton system is going through compressors and the place is a contols nightmare. However I think they may be running out of capacity on the loop and causing some of there problems. I would like to no how to test the tonnage of the ground loop but I am not smart enough. Seems like to many variables to figure out. Any ideas?
Hellow... anybody out there. I realise now that my original post was kind of vague. I have learned alot in the last few days so let me run this by you. My vertical ground loop has 28 holes at 215 feet each, thats a total bore of 6020feet. The tubing is 1 inch polyethylene on a 2 inch header the grout is non enhanced Bentonite. The guy who drilled the holes gave me a rule of thumb of 200'/ton. My loop pump is 120 Gpm. The caculated tons from 6020 feet of bore hole would be a little little over 30 tons. The system load is 60 tons in cooling and 54 tons in heating. An egineer came along and added a 30 chiller to the 30 ton load of water source heat pumps already in place. I really need to have my ducks in a row on this one. Tuff to argue with an engineer. What am I missing? If we add a bigger pump to the loop then I will be messing with the renolds number thing which I totaly dont get yet. At 3gpm/ton I would need 184 gpm for cooling and 162 for heat. Rather than put in a paralle boiler and cooling tower the best answer may be to dig more holes. I dont know but I am getting a head ache. The ground temperature is 55 degrees in ohio. My little chiller has 2@ 15 ton copeland scrolles and if my water drops below 50 I need to shut one off and then the hot deck has about 85 degree supply. Sorry for the rambling post, I am all wound up on this one. thanks for any insight.
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I hope there is more than one 2" header on that many holes
Sorry, yea there are four 2 inch supply and 4 two inch return lines coming out of the ground. They tie into a 5 inch header pipe and then to a 3 inch building loop supply and return.
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So just to get this right- the engineer added 30 ton to the loop field and didn't think you needed more holes? Are all units in the same mode all the time or are some heating a some cooling at the same time?
Its looking bad
Yep, both the engineer and the chiller manufacture are out of buisness. That should tell ya something. I have been doing a lot of math and going by the Copeland compressor information I could have 4 to 19, negative tons in the winter, and 19 to 29 possitive tons in the summer. Too and from the ground loop. Not much diversity in the building, there are times when they could all be running in heat or cooling at the same time. I am thinking for now all I can do is put high and low temperature limits on the water circuits to the chiller just to protect the thing. Dont know what the final solution is yet.
looks like I got me a one of a kind rig here. Nobody seems to have seen one of these. Water to water, reverse cycle, heat pump chiller. Just my luck.
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Looks to me as though you have a loop field capacity of MAYBE 30 tons. Soil type, antifreeze, pipe installation and all that will cause deviations.
Check water flow rate. 2-3 gpm per ton in cooling
Check entering and leaving water temperature. 10-12 temp rise across the heat exchanger (water in and out)
You have a 30 ton chiller? Is this thing supplying tempered water to the rest of the units? Does it have two scroll compressors?
If so, make sure it has adequate flow.
My chiller is a monster
Two 15 ton scroll compressors on a water cooled reverce cycle chiller, that provides water heat to the A/H in winter, And cooling water to the air handler in summer. When the weather changes and the load drops off is when it has its problems. My math shows a 5 ton variance in load from heat to coolling. the flat plate heat exchangers have an internal volume of 11 pounds each. 200Lbs/min per ton devided by my RA gave me 30 to 35 pounds required. No way with such little coils was I going to go down that route. Could not get my head around how the HX manufatures Flow rate numbers came up with same mass flow numbers that i did, yet having a total volume of 22 lbs between them both. Turns out there is alot of time in one minute. They flow there volume and heat rejection in 3 cycles through the HX. The heat transfer coifishent is so good that 1/3 of a minute is enough to keep up with the load. The total system charge is 1/3 that of a normal system. My little unit should use 30 lbs per minute when you do the math, but the actual charge is closer to ten.the total volume of both coils together is 22 pounds. the charge is critical and they can fill up in a hurry if problems arise in the water flow or rapid air flow changes. Receivers are a must ,though you sacrifice your sub cooling,at least the compressors dont get slugged. Had to re learn all this stuff just to figuer out how mush gas to use, i will list it here incase some other poor bugger runs into the same issue.
Compressor displacement/ constant volume = Mass flow f3/Hr x refrigeration affect of design condition. = BTU/hr convert to tons, Devide 200Btu/Lb/ton by RA = Lbs/min needed for 1 ton. Multiple by tonnage of unit get total pounds needed. Flat plate heat exchagers require 1/3 of that. Devide by 3.3, Boom its done. Consistant low or high head conditions will change the coifichent rating and may not be exactly a 1/3 number. It is a base line.
number. Had to re-learn all that stuff just to charge my little hightmare of a chiller. Later
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I'm not sure i fully understand your problem, but the volume in the HX has not much to do with the flow rates.
Did you verify all flow rates (via balancing valves)? How is the main loop pump controlled, does it have VFD with static pressure sensor? Measure flow rate by adjusting for viscosity. the setter manufacturer has information how to do that.
It seems your piping is undersized. I assume yo have glycol and glycol at low temperatures has very high viscosity. Maybe you never get the design flow rate.
the capacity of a ground loop also depends on how it is layed out (distance and spread of holes), type of soil, if you have ground water etc. when your field is large enough, it also can drift over time. Let's say you always cool more than you heat, then the field gets warmer and warmer every year and loses cooling capacity. All not a problem if you had a good conservative designer. but since your engineers seem to just add 30 tons without any evaluation, I'm a bit worried about that
What are your loop temperatures in summer, winter? If they are very low/high this indicates too small field (and/or pipes). Some good fields stay at exactly 45-50°F all year, but some swing from 32-60°F etc.
We have a fire station with geothermal (horizontal)loop and the designers were idiots (to be most polite) and we spend a lot of money to get the system to work. those "designers" make the same mistakes on regular VAV systems, but those are more forgiving (they still work, just get inefficient)
Time will tell
There in lies the rub i have not seen the this system run in all possible conditions. Thanks for your interest though as this unit has been the most challanging thermodynamic system I have worked on in a while. The extreams the unit must run at vary from 1 extream to the other. The change from heat to cool mode really messes with the compressor tonnage. Bottom line is the ground loop temperature in winter, if it drops below 44 degree all bets are off. We are going to replace the ground loop pump to 180 GPM to get it up to the 3 GPM/ton requirment, but if the feild has the capacity is yet to be seen. We added receivers to the compresssor circuits to provide storage of liquid as the compressors can run at such varied tonnage capacities depending on the mode it is in. The storage area of the flat plate HX did not provide the space needed to store the 5lb differance in ref flow when running 130/35 condensing in winter to 40/80 condensing in summer. The compressor tonnage goes from 16 to 11 depending on the head. So far that worked. Anyway to much going on to explain and it seems to bore the massses with my rantings. But I feal for the next man that comes accross a system like this, it is a hand full.
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On large tonnage water to water heat pumps you can end up with problems of you don't have enough water volume on the load side. You can get pretty severe short cycling problems. The trick is to add a buffer tank. Also it seems pretty bone headed to have added loads without well field expansion. However I have designed well fields for lower capacity than the sum of peak building equipment capacities due to oversizing of water to air equipment due to minimum box size. (i.e. a bedroom has a minimum 7.5 mbh console unit but a 4 mbh load.) Whenever you do a geo job you need to do standard load calculations, 8760 hour simulations of building operation and 40 year simulations of the well field to be totally safe. That all is on the engineer.


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Topps ran father and son subsets in 1976 and 1985 (the latter profiled at Trader Crack's Card Blog), connecting current players to formative years of watching their dads play 50s and 60s baseball. The combos don't provide many stars--only Yogi/Dale Berra come to mind--but did give collectors a look at sets that were hard to build prior to eBay.
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After an initial internal defensive stance (well, I've never had a reaction!), I calmed down and realized – I do play with wheat-y fire a lot with my celiac disease.
My kitchen should bear the same warning – it is not a wheat free facility. When I was first diagnosed years and years ago, it was recommended I essentially have my own entire kitchen. Um, f-ck off. That would be incredible, but that is not logical. I use the same pots, pans, toaster, baking sheets, cutlery & glassware that my wheat-y family does.
I do have a separate butter dish and most condiments are squeezable (to avoid the dreaded wheat crumb-y knife double dipping.) Beyond that we use common sense and careful wipe downs to ensure I don't get sick.
When out shopping, I buy lots of food products that aren't officially designated gluten free. I am so commonly versed in what ingredients gluten masquerades in that I can pick up a package, scan the ingredients and slam it back on the shelf in 4.3 seconds if it's not for me. Yes, it may ultimately be a game of food Russian roulette, as an apparently safe food may be packaged somewhere in a wheat field, but that's a risk I guess I'm ok to take.
I trust myself. I trust my knowledge. I trust my guts literally. Mayonnaise, cheap rice, fruits, vegetables, dairy products, rice crackers, chips, pop, cereals and on and on are not marked gluten free. But I eat them. I know intimately what I can and cannot eat. Items on restaurant menus aren't marked gluten free, but I ask the server kindly what I can eat, and when they come back to the table eager to help me choose something, I do so with full faith and trust I am being served a gluten free meal. And it happens. I am safe.
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I'd like to burn some very typical straw men. Hopefully, in the debate over Christianity, these unnecessary issues can be avoided.
Creation - Neither Genesis nor any of the scriptures demands that the earth and universe is only 6- to 10- thousand years old. The Hebrew word for "day" (yom) could mean long periods of time. The words "there was morning and there was evening, the first day" could be translated "there was beginning and ending, the first (yom)".
(BTW, the narrative moves to the surface of the earth in Genesis 1:2. While stars were certainly already in existence, their light was not visible on the surface of the earth until the opaque early atmosphere cleared).
Adam and Eve – While scripture does indicate they were specially created, there are gaps in the biblical genealogies that could place Adam and Eve back 60- to 90-thousand years. This would also predict increasing discovery of a common DNA originating between east Africa and the Mesopotamia.
(BTW, the word for "rib" means "side". The story of Eve's creation could mean God created her from Adam for symbolic purposes. I speculate a biopsy, of sorts, from the side, with a few million variations to the DNA producing a female. )
Talking Snakes - A boa constrictor with vocal cords is not in view here. That image comes largely from medieval art. The "serpent" in the garden was intelligent and used for evil. One can only speculate what sort of being it was (perhaps one no longer extant).
The Flood – The fact that a great flood is found in various cultures indicates that it happened. Two questions emerge: which account is most accurate and whether the flood was global or local.
I'm of the opinion that the flood was regional rather than global for several reasons. First, while the flood was universal in effect, it was only regional in extent due to human's not having moved much beyond the Mesopotamia at the time. A global flood was unnecessary.
Secondly, language like "under all the heavens", "all the earth", etc. are most likely from the perspective of the observer, i.e. a flood from horizon to horizon. "Mountains" could be translated "hills" with rain and water "covering" (or running over) them rather than submerging them.
Thirdly, this would mean there were not polar bears and penguins, etc. on the ark, but only animals indigenous to the region and of special relation to man.
Fourthly, a global flood would have torn the ark to pieces, no matter how well built. And it certainly would not have landed anywhere near its original location.
Fifthly, the scripture itself said a "large wind" was used in the evaporation process. Such a wind would have virtually no effect in a global flood.
Finally, if the flood were only regional why not just have Noah, his family, and whatever animals needed, hike out of the area and be safe? Why a big specifically-built ark? I think because God often operates via symbols teaching important truths or significance, i.e. salvation in Christ or deliverance through troubled waters (trials).
Use of Metaphor – The scriptures use metaphor and other literary devices. One need only utilize common exegetical analysis and context to determine what any author meant as literal or metaphorical (and on a case-by-case basis).
Inerrancy – If there are consequential or factual errors in the Bible that does not mean Christianity is false. However, I find it remarkable how well the Bible holds up to scrutiny and that there are plausible answers to discrepancies. Personally, I hold to the Chicago Statement on Inerrancy.
Hell – is not a place of torture (external) but of torment (internal). There are many descriptions of hell in the scriptures. The "fire" is most likely not the chemical combustion we're familiar with. It, combined with all the other descriptions, reduces to separation from God and the judgment of God.
This does not make hell more tolerable (that's not possible). But it does dispel hillbilly theology that has poor souls swatting flames for eternity! Christ depicted conversation taking place "in the flames". No person could have a conversation while on fire! On our familiar planet, one is in mindless torture if burning.
It is, however, a profound tragedy to be eternally separated from God. It is a "spiritual chaos" one enters when the intact "self" survives the physical body. There are indications that some kind of body could exist in hell.
Heaven – is a remarkably physical place. It is not ethereal or immaterial. It is a combination of a "new heaven and new earth". We will live on earth in physical bodies that are "spiritual" which nonetheless have access to one another and continued exploration of the universe without many of the limits of current bodies affected by entropy, etc. Christ's resurrected body could be touched and he ate food, etc. This describes the redeemed, resurrected body.
This is not to be confused with an intermediary state which is not physical. At death, one goes either into the very presence of God to await the resurrection of the body, or in a state of chaos to await final judgment.
"God will not allow anything to happen in your life that you can't handle" – False! Scripturally, there are plenty of things that happen that one cannot handle! Devastating things! The accurate teaching is that nothing will happen that God's grace will not get one through.
"You must become like children" - Christ said to "humble yourself like a little child". It does not mean to be naïve, ignorant, gullible, or irrational.
Pascal's Wager – This is not an argument for God nor necessarily addressed to atheists. Pascal used a popular gambling motif to shake the French laity out of spiritual complacency and to at least move them in the direction of God.
Further, the Wager, as it is commonly used, is not allowed by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. He said if Christ was not risen, then the jig is up! Christianity is false! He did not say believe it anyway "just in case" or because it provides a positive way of life.
I hope these internal considerations provide food for thought.
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Michael - (not Michael M, - Mike the wanna-be prophet) - RE: "the Pantheon of Saints that have replaced the Roman Pantheon of Gods that the befuddled and hoodwinked pray to"
So what you're saying, is that now, the "befuddled and hoodwinked" have a NEW pantheon to pray to - I guess it really doesn't matter, as long as they stay befuddled and hoodwinked.
You probably won't change their mind. In fact, you'll probably just provide them with an opportunity to prove their faith. I think most deconversions happen on the believer's own time, not under pressure from an atheist. Smart people figure it out on their own. You won't find many dimwits leaving the fold and becoming atheists.
Unseen, I agree in part. I think it is situational though.
I also think that if we get bad arguments out of the way, it will make the choices look more obvious. I think this is especially true in the information age, because people get more exposure to different ideas these days.
No, mate, to an atheist there really isn't any difference between the Grinch and God. Neither of them exist, although there's a lot more fiction written about the God character than about the Grinch character. The only difference I am willing to concede relates to how many more people believe God exists, while I doubt many people believe in the existence of the Grinch outside the books. But for all practical purposes, I fully agree with Micheal M. We might as well be burning straw men in regards to Mjölnir's weight, or as someone pointed out many pages earlier, the construction materials used in the making of Hansel & Gretel's witch's house.
I do see the difference between god and the grinch. the grinch does not order genocide, force a raped women to marry her rapist, or allow men to sell their daughters into sexual bondage.
The grinch is a vastly more moral character then your god.
And greener!
That is more cart before the horse. First you have to figure out what if the plan works before you figure out if you can find the right guy for the job, (in this case Jesus).
What salvation essentially says is "God knew it was not right for certain people to go to hell". The problem is that what is just concerns what is right in the first place. So either the original law is unjust, or salvation is unjust. But it has to be one or the other. Because according to Christianity, the law of heaven says "It is right that those who sin go to hell"
@Kevin - re: "what about the notion of Christ being sinless and therefore an adequate channel of God's grace?"
The nature of the 'sacrificee' doesn't answer the problem of the atonement argument John laid out. If a penalty is to be paid for a crime, shouldn't the person who committed the crime pay the penalty? Otherwise, what purpose is served by having a penalty?
How is justice done by letting a rapist go free just because someone else was willing to go to jail? Justice is thrown out the window and the whole point of a penalty is lost when someone else pays. It doesn't matter if the substitute was a peach, or a pig (literally or figuratively), willing or unwilling, divine or human.
Karen the part of my argument that I think is the strongest, isn't about Jesus at all though. It is this:
It is as simple as those people are either supposed to be going to heaven, or they are supposed to be going to hell. Justice reflects what is supposed to be.
Salvation would be a major deception then. Because anyone "saved" wasn't supposed to be going to hell in the first place. And if the claim was that they were, the the law sending them there would be flawed, because perfect justice only dishes out what is supposed to happen.
What salvation essentially says is "God knew it was not right for certain people to go to hell for whatever reason, so he made a way that people could get out of it". When something isn't right, justice makes it right. That is what justice does.
Not only that, but 1 Timothy 2:4 says that God wants all to be saved. If a deity is perfect, his desire would be only for what is right, not some imperfect desire for what is not supposed to happen. So that suggests that there is a darn good reason why it is best that everyone is saved. Perfect justice would reflect that.
Question John - bear in mind, I'm not trying to put all of the research on you while I sit back and eat chocolate bon-bons, but neither do I want to spend the day pouring through scripture in search of that which you may well have stored in your head.
Early in the OT, there is no mention of an afterlife, and certainly no hell - when did that concept first appear?
The problem has to do with the word sheol. It really did mean abode of the dead, so when you read "grave", it is often referring to the afterlife. But the Hebrew concept of the afterlife was just simply the Canaanite concept of the afterlife.
You see a part of that in 1 Samuel in which Saul pulls up the spirit of Samuel through using witchcraft. People who were dead weren't quite conscious, as I remember it, the use of blood was for the purpose of giving them enough substance to have consciousness.
As far as I remember, the first instance of ressurection and hell are in Zechariah.
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George's report is the first detailed analysis of the tax refund fraud problem, which could affect any legitimate taxpayer. His projection of $26 billion is larger than any other estimate of identity theft tax fraud.
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Those efforts, according to the IRS, have lead to "stopping more refund fraud than ever before" and "are not reflected in the five-year projection" by the Treasury inspector general.
Last year, according to the Treasury Inspector General's Office, the IRS reported that of the 2.2 million tax returns it found to be fraudulent, about 940,000 returns totaling $6.5 billion were related to identity theft. In its investigation, George said, auditors found another 1.5 million undetected tax returns with more than $5.2 billion in fraud.
"The primary characteristic of these cases is that the identity thief reports false income and withholding to generate a fraudulent tax return," George said. "Without the falsely reported income, many of the deductions and/or credits used to inflate the fraudulent tax refund could not be claimed on the tax return. The individuals whose identities were stolen may not even be aware that their identities were used to file a fraudulent tax return."
Making the problem worse, George said, the IRS is hampered by limited resources.
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-- right now millions of illegal immigrants are hoping this will be the year when Washington over holes immigration system providing a pathway to citizenship.
But the road to that pathway leads through Washington said this week we received two proposals.
One a bipartisan plan from a group of senators the other competing vision put forward by President Obama.
I don't want to turn this into a partisan thing to let me just say this if this if this endeavor becomes a bidding war.
To see who can come up with the easiest quickest and cheapest path way to green -- possible.
This thing is not gonna go well folks.
We have now a very common sense and reasonable set of principles and I hope the president will say today is that he hopes that that process succeeds.
But if his intentions are to trigger a bidding war to see who can come up with the easiest process.
This is not a good start.
We have to deal with the eleven million individuals were here illegal.
-- we all agree that these men and women should have to earn their way to citizenship.
But for comprehensive immigration reform -- work.
It must be clear from the outset that there is a pathway to citizenship.
Joining us now Fox News political analyst Juan Williams and radio talk show host Mary -- -- great to see both of you thank you for being here today thank you -- -- be with you want let me ask you -- there are cynics who say that this immigration reform push really isn't about fixing a challenging problem and our nation that really at the core.
It's about securing future Hispanic votes for the Democratic Party how do you respond to this.
Well that's part of it I think that clearly President Obama won a huge percentage I think it's close to 70% of the Latino vote if you throw in the Asian vote also.
Now the fastest growing immigrant community and our country you understand how overwhelming the politics are for the Republican Party but.
Also that the Democrats want to cement that advantage into place for Republicans I think they want to get past talk electrified fences.
Self deportation.
Denial of the DREAM Act to young people I think they want to get past that and start to appeal.
To some of the very conservative principles that are widespread in the immigrant community widespread not to -- nor ships family values strong.
Religious beliefs that they feel -- is the basis for a group of people who should be Republican voters.
-- -- there -- some say in the conservative groups there that OK let's get some of these reforms pushed through.
On different condition on the proviso that the people who do receive citizenship ultimately.
Do not get the chance to vote for say ten years or so as a penalty.
-- coming to this country illegally when that.
You know have any traction in congress.
I I don't know if that would have traction in congress they do think that this is almost a no win for Republicans.
Once again.
Because if they do hold their ground and they do say.
That real will do this but it has to be contingent.
On securing the borders.
First on actually enforcing the laws that we were supposed to be enforcing all along.
If they make -- contingent on that Obama and the Democrats are going to say that the Republicans are dragging their feet they're being obstructionists they don't want to give these people the American dream.
But if they don't do with the -- and repeat history Reagan didn't Reagan believed to the left.
Back in 86 and said okay we'll do this and then we're gonna fix -- in exchange for this gonna fix the borders.
Were enforced the laws on the books and we all know what happened we are back where we work in 1986 it didn't solve the problem because we didn't stop the flow of illegal immigration.
So I do think it's important.
To secure those borders first to put regulations in place and in force them.
To make sure that we don't wind up with a whole another generation of people who come here illegally and let me just hand them citizenship again.
Amber and very.
-- just are just gonna state of Mary but Mary so much has been done to in fact.
Beef up the border security we now have electronic surveillance we have more troops on the border than it ever went back we see now that there's that -- eight.
Trend of people leaving the country not coming in.
And I just think you answered radio talk show host you know it has got have got to give a chance to people who say.
We do have better border security and that's the basis now we're going forward.
What I wanna let me give you wonder if you think though people across the board would feel more comfortable if they at least in new.
That efforts are being made to strengthen border security on top and what we have right now.
And then allow these reforms to go through knowing that.
No war will be allowed to come -- and we wouldn't we're working right now with those who were right here in the country and you know -- did basically very generous.
On that issue I think.
That's pretty -- -- and I think people are very conscious of the idea that 40% of the illegal immigrants in the country have come through the visa process and just overstayed their -- That's a different perspective on enforcement -- simply saying.
Taller walls more secure I thought -- get this -- Are we just doing this to please people who think that there's a security problem when in fact the numbers indicate the security problem has been dealt with largely.
Mary you don't agree with that I assume no I don't I went to the bank a year ago one I was standing in the bank on a Friday trying to deposit money into my -- and they asked me Friday.
In the meantime there were three gentlemen standing next to me who didn't have ID.
And didn't speak English so they weren't sent to a special teller who okayed the transaction in -- we're -- -- without ID.
Until we fix that problem we make it too easy to live in this country illegally.
And you're also assuming that people are going to want to jump through those hoops to gain citizenship it is very easy.
To live here and not speak English and not be a citizen and still have a wonderful life and still -- your children education.
And still get health care or you're assuming that there are going to want to jump through those -- that they're going to want to pay taxes that's a big assumption.
We -- well that's -- -- way to citizenship I got my citizenship maybe they want to continue living illegally and not paying taxes and enjoying all the benefits ultimately though -- do you think -- -- -- -- It's going to be a big showdown between -- president and congress over this security issue.
I could be but I don't think that either side wants it is slow down this process I think we're on -- fast track goma I think that both Republicans and Democrats the political.
Advantage to getting a deal done and want it done I think that's why senator rubio.
Has been able to persuade so many people on the right and some of them -- the Tea Party favorite.
That this is the time to get it done.
And I think from the president's perspective it's -- to his legacy to his second term agenda.
And really quickly Mary -- on the on the other side of this though from the GOP if they do get a deal done this will hopefully open the door.
For more Hispanics perhaps to take a second look at the GOP absolutely is but what bothers me is as once said -- a fast track -- community tell me how much is is gonna cost.
How much more we can it be getting to Social Security Medicare unemployment food stamps disability and so want.
We're gonna -- this really could -- with health care and three years from now we're gonna be scratching our heads wondering why we need more money.
All right Mary mom thank you so much for joining us there in -- really appreciate it thank you walk over.


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