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Food Truck Bans: Good or Bad for Business?
Regulators have discussed bans on them for "cannibalizing" local businesses. But is that anti-competitive?
It's happened most recently in Maplewood, where city leaders have discussed possible restrictions on where food trucks can operate — or even if they can operate in the city at all.
Council members have said the trucks could cannibalize the existing brick-and-mortar businesses in the area. The city hasn't yet made a decision on the issue.
Eureka bans the practice, which also came to light again several months ago when a Chesterfield cupcake maker tried to operate in the area and generated Facebook buzz when it didn't happen.
The Show-Me Institute has campaigned in its writings against the bans on food trucks, which it says are anti-competitive. In a recent post on the Maplewood situation, the authors said a move to ban food trucks would "limit competition in the food service business." (That post incorrectly stated that the city had voted on the ban.)
Food trucks seems to be all the rage in other parts of the country, enough to support television shows such as The Great Food Truck Race and Eat Street.
Is it legitimate to be concerned for restaurants that invest in property and set up shop in a community? Or should they have to compete with mobil food trucks? Is this a free-market issue?
Chris P
7:04 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I'm fine with food trucks, but unless it's a large-scale event (like a food truck Friday), they aren't destinations. On the other hand, a pedestrian-oriented, mixed retail, shaded area such as downtown Maplewood, is. And what provides that destination - and the accompanying people to spend money on food - are established businesses. Food trucks go to where lots of people are, take a slice of the business, and leave.
Food trucks don't generally provide the ancillary facilities that a destination pedestrian area does - restrooms, trash cans, a place to sit, bike racks, reliable business hours, "eyes on the street," and a real stake in the community. Rather, they rely on existing infrastructure to bring in the pedestrians to patronize the trucks while providing none of that in return.
On the other hand, food trucks that go to an office park wasteland provide a much-appreciated service, though the company cafeterias might make a similar - though weaker - point as above.
In short, it's Maplewood's prerogative to decide what businesses should set up shop - ones that provide a true destination and provide a lot of the tangible and intangible benefits that bring density to an area, or transient ones that don't contribute.
5:00 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I agree about ancillary facilities is enough to say no to them in that area, but an office park or industrial/ factory setting is a big plus. I remember years worked at crane co. on south second st. and they had "catering trucks" at lunch time Nicks catering service was the most popular
5:51 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
I think these are good points that could be mitigated by having a designated area of the public street whee food trucks could operate. Rather than mire it down in complex formulas as to who can operate where and when (and I dont think you are doing this) a simple area or areas where food trucks can pull over and operate (like a no parking zone except a food truck parking zone). I'm also not against your idea below of creating a handwashing station or benches or landscaping, the only question is who should provide it. I'm not opposed to having each food truck pay a per diem fee for renting the 'space' and then using that for upkeep. A better choice to administer the system besides the government would be the downtown business association or some neutral concern. In one city, I think it's LA, food vendors also must get permission to use a restroom within a certain number of feet. So a restaurant could earn twenty bucks (or something) that day by allowing food truck patrons to use theirs. That's a regulation that has a free market answer :)
7:44 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I think that an outright ban on Food Trucks is anti-competitive. Bricks and Mortar store has a valid concern. And Maplewood has some excellent restaurants!!!
Seems to me that there could be Food Truck days: days and times they would be permitted to operate in the vicinity of the Bricks & Mortar restaurants. There also would be places that they could operate regularly.
Chris P
2:51 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I like that idea. Also perhaps a designated food truck bay where all food truck business could go to keep it a little more reliable.
Phil Gonzalez
8:17 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Banning a business is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. Here is a website who uses lawyers to help food trucks, etc. http://www.ij.org/
The problem is that taking taxes from the people/businesses and giving those taxes to other businesses or people is unconstitutional. Graft and corruption anyone?
Phil Gonzalez
8:18 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
/\ sorry about my grammer above, I forgot to proof read it before I posted it.
Phil Gonzalez
8:40 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Should you have government's PERMISSION to work?
Mike K
8:56 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I agree with Chris P's thoughtful views.
Food trucks give nothing to the communities they operate in and can easily cannibalize a local food scene because they have no infrastructure costs for where they operate.
I think it reasonable that if a food truck wants to 'operate' in a municipality, perhaps it should be required to have an address in that community, or a special class of business licence is offered that pays for the government services the food trucks expect for free. Police, emergency response, patron safety in the food they are purchasing, lighting, traffic control, water, nearby restrooms, and the other licensed businesses that are the reason people -their customers- are there in the first place.
Chris P
3:03 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I think that's a reasonable alternative - to license food trucks similar to any business, with pro-rated costs. And not just pro-rated to the two hours a day a food truck operates before it vacates the area, but on a day-by-day basis. If a food truck wants to siphon customers for the two most profitable hours a day, it should have to pay for the infrastructure that is there for the other twenty-two hours.
As stated above, I also think a special pull-out area, perhaps big enough for two or three trucks, would also help the food trucks be a more reliable fixture. If people don't follow thirty Twitter feeds, they could at least know where food trucks are likely to be. The business licenses could pay to create and maintain the "food truck bay" which might also have other amenities like tables and a sink to wash hands.
Jaycen Rigger
8:49 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Really, Mike? I've found most of Chris's views to be one-sided against the food truck operators. My guess is Chris is a restaraunteur who feels threatened by the trucks existence.
Food trucks have plenty of "infrastructure costs" - gasoline, for one. How about the food they purchase from local markets to cook and serve to their customers?
Hey, do you think local labor is an infrastructure cost? Maybe the jobs the provide that help fund the local tax base is a cost for the food truck owners.
Maintenance on the vehicles also goes back into the local community.
Your "argument" seems to ignore the many situation in which a food truck visits a business. I used to buy lunch from a food truck when I worked at MiTek in Earth City. The restrooms were paid for by my company, so I wasn't worried about the food truck's lack of a potty. Water and electricity weren't an issue, since the truck produced its own.
Mike, you and Chris want to argue from a tunnel vision perspective. You're carefully ignoring a lot of facts in this issue. On its own, I wouldn't care, but you're trying to shut down individual citizen's businesses. That's wrong, sir.
Chris P
9:19 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Now I'm completely convinced that you haven't bothered to read our views.
Not only that, but you've made the assertion twice now that I own a restaurant. That clearly doesn't fit in with what I've posted so far, and is obviously reaching toward an ad hominem attack.
I'm actually, ultimately, arguing against an outright ban, but am taking into account what cities like Maplewood are concerned with. Perhaps you could address the pie-in-the-sky proposal several of us have put forward concerning a designated food truck area in Maplewood. Even if you hate the idea, at least we could have a discussion instead of your appearing, attacking, and accusing people of having ulterior motives.
Jaycen Rigger
9:39 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
There's a difference between an assertion and a guess. As concerned as you seem to be, Chris, I have to wonder exactly what is your keen interest in this topic?
Are you just a busy-body who wants to dictate to others how they can conduct their business? Exactly how does a "food truck area" mesh with the freedom of the food truck owners to pursue business where they can find it?
Every single one of your suggestions, Chris, entail the curbing of the food truck owners' rights. That seems to be the opposite of someone seeking a solution. It's interesting to me that you describe your suggestions as "pie-in-the-sky", as if your goals are visionary, lofty, and unattainable, as opposed to brutish and bullying in terms of the freedoms of the food truck owners and those who would patronize them.
Your first comment to Mike K., in fact, lists a myriad of requirements in terms of time and money on the part of the food truck owners that are simply onerous. That you don't like my responses or feel unhappy about the fact that I vehemently disagree with you does not push my comments into the realm of ad hominem, but hey - the suggestion is consistent with your previous behavior, Chris. Don't like something or someone? Try to use the power of the local authorities to shut them up!
Chris P
10:10 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
"Exactly how does a 'food truck area' mesh with the freedom of the food truck owners to pursue business where they can find it?"
I'm not sure. Perhaps in the same way that a regular business seeks a license and follows local zoning laws that allow businesses to operate. Maybe ask the food truck operators who came up with the idea of dedicated food truck areas in Portland.
Jaycen Rigger
10:20 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Chris, your insistance that if Portland does it, we should do it is an illogical fallacy. It's the same thought process as "But Mom, all the other kids are doin' it!"
Your belief that this type of regulation is "an extension of zoning law" is frightening. When we begin telling food truck operators where they can drive their trucks, when will you start telling me where and when I can drive my car? Can I only use the highway at certain times on certain days?
Chris, I would never presume to tell you when and where you could operate your business. I don't know why you're so excited to tell me where and when I can operate mine. Unless public health or safety are involved, it's absolutely no one's business but the business owner and his consumers.
Timothy Daley
9:33 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Just like big box stores ,they put small mom and pop resturants out of buisness....
Jaycen Rigger
8:44 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
And here I thought customers CHOSE which store to frequent, and as a result, free citizen's choices either put stores out of business or kept them open. Silly me.
So, what you're saying is "big corporations", as well as "little mom-and-pop" food truck operations, put small restaraunts out of business. Sounds like you've got a solid grasp of economics, Tim.
Karen Clodfelter
9:24 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
But most food trucks are small "mom & pop" restaurants so your argument doesn't hold water.
Roger Herin
10:19 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Any good restaurant should not worry that a food truck will hurt its business. Food trucks provide another choice for lunch for those who don't want to spend $8 to $10 or more for lunch. I believe the real rub with the cities is that its too hard to collect taxes from the food trucks. It may be a valid point, but really worth keeping someone from making a living in these times?
Chris P
2:53 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Roger, I'm not sure which food trucks you usually visit, but a meal at any of the ones I've ever been to in St. Louis (and I've been to at least 20) cost right around that. Owners really enjoy (to their credit) the fact that food trucks have low overhead - most are quoted as saying that - but none that I've been to qualify as cheap meal-for-meal.
Jaycen Rigger
8:42 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Roger, it seems to me the city isn't the problem. The problem is the business owners who want to use the force of government to push out potential competition.
I doubt the city can overcome its own inertia on issues like this without help from an outside force.
Matt G
10:21 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Food trucks give consumers choice. What better thing to give to a community. In areas like Los Angeles where they're part of the mainstream, they're also involved with countless charity events raising money for schools, churches and museums. (http://socalmfva.com/uncategorized/california-heritage-museum-partnership/)
The unfair competition argument is nonsensical. Why didn't the city stop Netflix and Redbox from destroying all the Blockbuster Video stores? What benefit does iTunes have for a community that has lost all of their record stores? The marketplace changes through inovation and this is just one more example. When a City Council steps in to limit trucks, they're simply siding with already established businesses to the detriment of the consumer. If the restaurants are good, they won't lose business.
Chris P
12:44 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
I would like to point out that in "mainstream " LA, "if a truck is parked for longer than one hour, they must have permission to use an appropriate restroom that's within 200 feet."
And of course you have to pay to park. And have a current health inspection just like those in St. Louis. And have a certified food handler. And a business tax license for every city, in addition to a seller's permit.
To me most of those are logical.
To some, perhaps to those who don't understand the difference between federal and local government, or to certain mildly informed tea partiers, they could be seen as heavy-handed, draconian, and overbearing.
Can you imagine - a thriving scene, with food trucks that not only follow the rules but give back through charity events? How is that possible with all that totalitarian regulation?
Jaycen Rigger
12:56 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Matt G, I don't know if Blockbuster or any of the smaller video stores went to city councils and tried to have Redbox regulated or banned outright, do you?
Chris, your snide remarks in the face of complaining about snide remarks aside - of course you find all of this logical. Your post is mostly illogical.
What does LA have to do with St. Louis? What does a "thriving scene" have to do with charitable events? Is your wandering point somehow trying to connect totalitarianism to success? That's a stretch. Ask the survivors of 100 million dead people how successful your philosophy has been in the last 80 years.
Paying to park makes sense if it's required, but since many food trucks are visiting the parking lots of private businesses, maybe it's a non-sequiter.
A health inspection seems reasonable, if it makes a difference. How often is it just an excuse to collect revenue? In St. Charles County, I'd bet it works. In St. Louis...?
Why do you need a "certified foodhandler"? Chris, are you certified to cook your own meals and feed yourself? Is your mother? And yet, here you are...typing away.
The issue is whether food trucks should be banned. They shouldn't be. Should they be regulated? From what I can tell, they are already regulated.
Does Chris want more regulation? It sounds like Chris does. Chris supports Karl Marx and Totalitarianism - by his own admission. How nice for Chris. Most of us don't, but at least we know where your mind is.
Chris P
1:12 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Gee, here I am agreeing with Matt G that food trucks are innovative, that the marketplace changes, that food vendors have done positive things, and that a ban on food trucks is not any answer - and you can't bring yourself to understand that there is common ground without foaming at the mouth.
I'm sorry to say it, but from the moment you made one of your very first comments on this article - derailing what had been a polite discussion by addressing me as "pal" within the first sentence - it was easy to see that you have no intention of having a polite discussion.
What does L.A. have to do with it? Matt G, someone whom I presume you agree with, held it up as an example of how well food trucks can work. No more, no less.
And, on top of that, I said "MOST" (you did see that, didn't you) of the regulations in L.A. were reasonable. I don't think having certifying a food handler is one of them. I think it's useless, pointless, and a waste of time, and an burdensome restriction. But again, you assume the worst of anyone who has a disagreement with you. I'm not surprised.
Jaycen Rigger
1:29 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
You can agree on whatever you like. I'm sticking to your own points in terms of what is anecdotal and what is factual, Chris.
There's not much common ground between us, if allowing food trucks to operate requires excessive regulation. That's straight-forward.
If you don't want to be my pal, then don't be. I didn't call you a bad name, I did my best to be friendly.
Just because food trucks are allowed in LA (or anywhere else) along with onerous regulation, doesn't make it right. We're right back to the "But the other kids are doing it"-Fallacy.
I don't know about "most" regulations, I'm trying to stick to the ones you list.
Good luck.
5:59 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Now I agree with a lot of what you say Jaycen but lets not pretend you were just trying to be friendly. The whole pal thing would irk me too.
Jaycen Rigger
10:01 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Hah, true enough, Tony. "Pal" was just the nicest thing I could come up with at the time. I was trying not to resort to name-calling.
11:12 am on Sunday, June 24, 2012
As the owner of a small retail computer store for over 25 years, I have no problem with any competition which plays by the rules, ie would have to have a business license for the community it operates in and obtain or pay rent for the spots it parks in while in operation. My business survived the local Govts tossing money at all the Circuit City, Best Buy, Costco, Computer City, CompUSA locations in the form of TIFs. These food trucks should be allowed and the local 'Mom and Pops' either give people reason to choose them through excellent service, products or better pricing. Protecting (or giving undo benefit) to one business over another is Governmental meddling and needs to end.
Chris P
3:06 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I'm not sure when people talk about brick-and-mortar places in relation to this conversation that they're referring to Best Buy and Costco. I agree with you on TIF, but it doesn't really affect my view one way or another on, say, Manchester Ave and Sutton Ave in Maplewood, unless the businesses that line that are the recipients of TIF.
NoOne Here
12:11 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
really it comes down to the same thing everything does. $$$$ the city is benefitting from the food trucks, they can come & go as they please. Yes they do provide a benefit to the everyday Joe looking for something "different". Also there is lack of government regulatory control (Grades). Should you be told where & when you can set up a business? Everything is to go so really they don't have to pay sales taxes, neither do the brick & mortars. You issue permits that allow on site inspections, a parking fee and let the consumers decide. Would they rather go to the restaurant, sit down enjoy a meal or run outside, grab a bite and bring it back to the office or sit somewhere on a curb to eat. Reataurants will win overall but everyone can win with intelligent solutions rather than just banning a business.
Chris P
2:58 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I think your facts are a little backwards unless I'm misreading. Food trucks do get inspected. They do pay sales taxes. So do brick and mortar places (it sounded like you said they don't, above). However, food trucks don't pay property tax and they don't get a business license, which is usually quite expensive. They usually have a peddler's permit which is what ice cream trucks have. They also, as I pointed out above, don't contribute to the city's well being as a pedestrian environment. Most food trucks park for two hours. While they are present, they don't provide trash cans, a place to sit, restrooms, or much street interest. When they pack up and leave, they provide no 'eyes on the street' like businesses that are located there permanently.
As far as government banning businesses, I think it really comes down to city codes and zoning, which are a valid function of local government (of course this has nothing to do with federal or state government).
NoOne Here
12:13 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
$$$$ the city is NOT benefiting...darn cordless devices.
12:35 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Food trucks have business licenses and pay taxes of the communities in which they sell. Regarding the Eureka situation, there is a business in Eureka that I want to check out, but I'm not going to drive all that way just for that one thing. I had planned to get cupcakes and then go to that store. That happened back in November; I still haven't gotten to Eureka. There are many places in Maplewood that I enjoy shopping, going to check out a food truck puts me in a location where I may patronize other businesses.
Chris P
8:21 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
They actually don't have business licenses. They have peddler licenses which is what ice cream trucks have.
You are right that they pay sales taxes. But they do not pay property taxes, nor do they pay utility taxes to the cities providing them infrastructure.
I think a reasonable solution would be for a city like Maplewood to create - or allow the food truck coalition to create - a food truck bay with minimal facilities (like handwashing facilities, trash cans, and tables) - where the trucks can freely operate. Then, trucks using the facilities cover the upkeep of the facilities.
Jaycen Rigger
8:40 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
What infrastructure is being provided, Chris? Does the truck hook up to free water or free electricity? Does the truck hook up to a free sewage point?
You keep trying to make the food trucks sound like leeches on city utilities, but so far, I'm at a loss to understand exactly how you make the logical leap.
Chris P
9:15 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I never said utilities, although I mentioned utility taxes.
I clearly outlined a list of infrastructure above. I am really quite loathe to enumerate it again, given your hostile tone. You may feel that you fit in better at the Post-Dispatch web site.
Jaycen Rigger
10:03 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Chris P
9:15 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I clearly outlined a list of infrastructure above.
I missed that, Chris. I see a list of amenities in a previous post above, but I don't see a list of utilities. Maybe you could copy/paste for me, so you don't have to type it all out.
Chris P
10:07 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I never said anything about utilities. Ever. I mentioned utility taxes but never said so much as a word about utilities. In my reply to you, I said, "I never said utilities".
And now you're asking me to copy and paste a list of utilities. I can't, because I never said it. Don't know how to be more clear.
Jaycen Rigger
10:24 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Chris P
9:15 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I clearly outlined a list of infrastructure above.
Chris - Infrastructure = utilities in this context. The city doesn't pay to put bike racks in front of shops, the shop owners do.
So, unless you want to force food truck owners to provide something other shop owners aren't forced to provide, I have to assume you mean utilities. Based on your other comments, perhaps you DO intent to force the food truck owners to provide special amenities.
That's not freedom, Chris. You're describing a Totalitarian State.
Jaycen Rigger
12:18 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
There we go. Some honesty. I'm not at all surprised you're a Communist, Chris.
How nice for you.
2:06 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I would rather eat a quick healthy inexpensive lunch from a food truck than grab McDonalds or a bag of chips at my desk. Not everyone has time or money to patronize a local brick and mortar restaurant for lunch everyday. A food truck provides an alternative once in a while. I think the people who eat out on a regular basis to entertain clients or take a break from their day will still do so and the restaurants should not be concerned.
Steven Siemsen
7:46 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
It seems to me that a lot of these food trucks are Mom & Pop businesses themselves. I agree that they need to obtain business licenses and be subject to the same inspections as the brick and mortar establishments. I do not think any city or county should ban them. That is anti-competitive. They should be effectively regulated like a brick and mortar restaurant.
Chris P
8:18 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
But restaurants are regulated by zoning code. One can't, for example, set up a restaurant on a residential street, or the sidewalk, or the city park.
What if you owned a pizza shop, and a local entrepreneur set up a table every day in the shade of your awning, on the public sidewalk, and sold pizzas to customers? Zoning laws prohibit that kind of business, and the same can be reasonably applied (in my opinion) to food trucks.
Chris Charboneau
8:09 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
Banning food trucks just makes STL look more minor league
brian hardestt
9:34 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I own a food truck. I have a business license as well as vendor permits for each municipality that i serve in. I provide trash cans, park where there are no restaurants within 200', and i draw in about 30% of my daily business from people who seek my truck out from all over the city. Thus, bringing more pedestrian traffic to wherever im parked that day. I pay property tax on my truck as well. Im not particularly interested in parking in maplewood because of the small business district. But i do believe that food trucks should not be flat out banned anywhere. I have alot of respect for brick and mortars...in particular, brick and mortars in maplewood.
Chris P
4:23 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
You pay property tax? Or personal property tax?
My property taxes are $3000 a year on a modest house. My personal property taxes are about $400.
Jaycen Rigger
8:39 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
What's your point, Chis?
Exactly what does it matter how much Brian pays in taxes, or the type of taxes he pays? Brian is a business man. Brian's business probably employes at least 1 or 2 other people. It provides a service for which other citizens are willing to pay.
What else matters?
Chris P
9:07 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I think the point, as several of us have pointed out so far, that food trucks use infrastructure without contributing a proportionate amount toward infrastructure.
Also, as I noted above, this is really an issue of zoning. As free market as I am, zoning is a legitimate function of local government.
Jaycen Rigger
10:06 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
You keep saying "infrastructure", Chris, but you never define that. What infrastructure (i.e. utilities) do food trucks use that the owners don't already pay the costs through taxation?
Is it the street? That should be covered in Gasoline taxes or personal property taxes or license and tag fees.
What else? The truck generates its own electricity. The truck doesn't provide a restroom (sewage). The owner has to fill the truck with water from his own source (presumably paid for by the owner). The owner pays for his labor.
I guess I'm just missing the entire connection to "infrastructure".
Since you now want to change the subject to "zoning", please tell me how you plan to "zone" driving habits. I'd like to know where I'm free to drive in the future, based on zoning rules.
Jamie Reed
10:06 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I think there are probably bigger issues that banning food trucks. Essentially a food truck is a traveling fast food (healthy or nonhealthy) truck. The way people are these days....you're either going to do a food truck or a restaurant/fast food joint plain and simple. I don't see businesses in a hurry to ban them. Seems to me that they would also bring more business to areas. I'd be more inclined to want to check out a business if I was around a food truck parked close to business type districts.
Chris P
4:21 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
You'd be more inclined to check out a restaurant if a food truck was parked out front?
Jaycen Rigger
9:01 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Maybe, Chris. Let me tell you something, pal - you can't read my mind or know what's in my heart.
Maybe I want to sit inside and enjoy the heat/air conditioning. Maybe I want more choices, or friendly service. Maybe I want a table and plenty of room to spread out. Perhaps I want to use free wi-fi. Perhaps I'd prefer to drink a beer with my meal.
There are thousands of reasons an individual might have for choosing a restraunt over a food truck parked right outside. There are thousands or reasons to choose the food truck over the restraunt. The critical point is this - free choice.
It's not your place to dictate to me my reasoning or my choices. It's my right to decide, unless you can convince the government to strip that right from me by banning the food trucks in the first place.
I have to wonder why you don't post your entire last name, Chris. Which restraunts do you own and operate?
Chris P
9:12 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Jaycen, I'm not your pal that I'm aware.
You've obviously taken on a hostile tone. A number of posters, including me, if you had read, were having a productive conversation about ways that food trucks can work in an environment like Maplewood, without resorting to the discussed ban.
I don't own any restaurants, or work at a restaurant, or hold stock in restaurants. I can't imagine anyone further from "the business" than me. In fact, I work downtown - which has some reasonable regulations that allows food trucks to co-exist with other businesses - and have patronized over twenty food trucks, some of them many times each.
I don't publish my last name because I really prefer being anonymous due to the rare unstable person that tends to show up on various social media sites -- for example, calling people "pal" simply because they disagree with a viewpoint.
Jaycen Rigger
10:09 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Chris, my tone is irelevant to the discussion. That's a strawman. Please stick to the discussion.
It's funny that you've addressed every single sentence from my comment you find so offensive EXCEPT the portion that matters. You ignore the part where I ask you what business is it of yours why I or anyone else would choose a restraunt over a food truck or vice-versa.
You asked the question, Chris - "You'd be more inclined to check out a restaurant if a food truck was parked out front?"
Presumably, you had a point. What exactly was your point?
Chris P
10:13 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Actually, your tone has nothing to do with a straw man. I'm not sure you realize what that is.
A straw man would be something like, "Well Jaycen, since you think that every business should be able to operate anywhere, I guess you're fine with them setting up on your front lawn. Well, you might be OK with that, but I for one am for property rights!"
(See the difference?)
Chris P
10:14 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
To answer your question in a completely dedicated post, I do not care. I was asking a clarifying question; I have not heard that particular argument before. Now I have.
Jaycen Rigger
12:21 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
A strawman is a logical fallacy where one party twists the other's argument, or inserts an argument the other person didn't make and then rails against that argument.
In this case, you're arguing with my "tone" to the exclusion of my actual logical points, which as I said, is irrelevant to the argument. I'm sure you don't know or care what a Strawman is, but that too, is irrelevant, except as it demonstrates an unwillingness to debate honestly or coherently.
Best of luck.
Chris P
12:25 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
I gave a perfectly good example of what a strawman is. Me making a point of your tone is not a strawman. Your attempted explanation really failed, and I was just trying to steer you straight. You can man up and say, you're right, that's not a strawman, or you can continue to argue that anything you deem irrelevant is a strawman.
Jaycen Rigger
12:59 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Again, you've carefully ignored the critical points of the argument, Chris. Saul Alinsky would be proud of you. Derail the conversation by focusing on a meaningless point.
Why can't you just answer the question, Chris? You said you don't care, but you're the one who asked the question. Your question was a "yes" or "no" question, and left little room for explanation. Somehow, your claim seeking clarity seems suspicious.
Jeff Pupillo
10:13 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
I want to first state I am the owner of Sarah's Cake Stop and Meltdown. I am also one of the first food trucks in St. Louis and help create the Food Truck Association here in St. Louis. I have been active in helping to better educate not only city officials about the food trucks but also businesses on how food trucks can help. I say all this because i am not sure there are many people more knowledgable about the food truck industry here in St. Louis. I say this to give some back ground and want to address a few of the posts above.
1. Not only do i have business licenses in most cities that i operate i also have peddlers licenses in both the City of St. Louis and St. Louis County. We also pay for and maintain both City and County health permits. We also pay for a special Roaming Street License in the City which only pertains to the Food Trucks. All these licenses cost money some are cheap $35 per year others are not so at $500 per year.
2. YES we pay sales taxes to the cities in which we sell food. I personally reported to 16 different cities last filing and have had as many as 18 on one report. I actually shared this with the City of Eureka who did not understand how the sales taxes worked with food trucks. Most of the food trucks also rent space at commissaries which pay personal property taxes. We all pay personal property taxes on the trucks which in some cases are very expensive....more below
Jaycen Rigger
8:51 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Nice, Jeff. Your facts sure blow Chris's distortions out of the water. Well done, sir!
Chris P
9:25 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
What's so interesting, Jaycen, is that I actually made these points before Jeff - both about sales taxes and peddlers' licenses. But after responding to about eight of your misleading, accusatory posts, I'm not surprised that you got this one wrong, unfortunately.
Jaycen Rigger
10:11 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
No, Chris, you've made the opposite points. You're the one who said earlier that food trucks don't have business licenses, but have peddler's licenses. Jeff took you to task on that.
Chris, focusing on my tone and how it makes you feel allows you to ignore my logic and facts, but it does nothing to bolster your own argument. Would you mind just sticking to the topic at hand, please? Your condescension is thoroughly annoying.
Chris P
10:16 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I'm not here for your pleasure or enjoyment. Since I annoy you, perhaps you'd be annoyed by food truck and pushcart operators in other cities who have proposed exactly what I'm proposing above. If you are, then I guess that's your problem.
Chris P
10:18 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Jeff, which cities require a business license (equivalent to a brick and mortar license) to operate, vs. a peddler license? As of March, I was not aware of any.
Jeff Pupillo
10:19 pm on Sunday, June 24, 2012
3. I am not sure anyone in the above posts have any data about the benefits of food trucks in the cities they operate. I on the other hand can point to at least one city which i operate and show how my cupcake truck brings people into the city who then spend money not only on cupcakes (yes the city gets revenue) but also from the additional revenue from my customers who then stay and either shop or eat at local establishments. When in Kirkwood I have people who come in from as far away as Union MO every thursday for the last year to get cupcakes and they stay for dinner. I promote the local businesses around the truck and try to give back to those cities in which i operate. We have a great social media following and those customers are pretty loyal and patronize those businesses which we promote.
4. I am always available to have a discussion about the food trucks and if anyone spots a food truck not acting responsibly please contact the St. Louis Food Truck Association (Facebook: SLFTA) and we will try to resolve the issue.
Jeff Pupillo
Sarahs Cake Stop and Meltdown
9:27 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I have gone to Kirkwood (from Saint Charles) specifically for cupcakes multiples times and have checked out businesses around the station area and made purchases from several of those businesses, including Station Brewery/Restaurant, Kaldi's, Cornucopia (a LOT of $ there), and Global Foods, Qdoba & McDonald's as a vehicle stop coming or going. I like to buy my "exotic" ingredients from Global Foods, but it's a long drive just for a bottle of tahini (for example) and I end up buying other things as well.
Kalen Ponche
10:37 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
@Jeff Have you thought about opening a brick and mortar shop for your cupcakes? Why did you decide a food truck was the best route for your business? Would you consider doing both?
Jeff Pupillo
11:54 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
We do have a brick and mortar for the cupcakes as well as other cakes and baked items. We are located at 10 Clarkson Wilson Center in Chesterfield MO.
Jeff P.
Kalen Ponche
11:57 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
@Jeff You do! I didn't know :) Which came first, the store or the food truck? Why did you decide to expand like that?
2:41 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
@Kalen, I can't speak for Jeff, but I do know the store has been around for a while. It was over near Wildwood before moving to Clarkson/Wilson. The truck has (mostly) different and many more flavors than the shop, or I'd just go there.
Chris P
5:11 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I'll just say that for every anecdote provided about a person driving from Union MO to buy a three dollar cupcake, I could potentially provide a dozen about a food truck luring workers from going to a regular establishment.
One one hand, that's the free market at work, and that's great. I'm actually glad there's a banh mi truck because there's nothing similar to that downtown otherwise! But I also understand that that truck, open from 11 to 1, is there solely to siphon business and then leave, providing a bit of sales tax to the City and but otherwise, nothing. No hand washing. No restroom. No place to sit. No landscaping. No eyes on the street; in many ways, food trucks are the "dead after 5pm" feeling of downtown and other business districts, taken to their logical conclusion.
In short, no, except under very limited criteria like food truck Friday, or a couple from Union driving 50 miles to get a cupcake (and who otherwise would have not come in), food trucks to not generate business anywhere.
Perhaps a reasonable demonstration would be for a food truck to set up shop, at lunch time, on an abandoned stretch of Olive west of downtown, or Natural Bridge, Martin Luther King Blvd, and demonstrate how many people seek out the truck that day.
Jaycen Rigger
8:53 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Oh Chris, your anecdotes are less about business freedom, and more about railing against the free market.
"I could potentially provide a dozen about a food truck luring workers from going to a regular establishment."
Aw...poor Chris. How dare those evil food trucks "lure" people away from your establishment! How can the city allow citizens the right to make their own choices?!
This so-called "freedom" is getting out of hand. Someone MUST put a stop to it.
Joseph Gambino
7:50 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Chip P
Your sir are full of bean. You can't make people buy. They choose to do what appeals to them. Maybe it's that quick lunch. Maybe they do not have the time to sit.
Enjoy life. Let the other guy work is job. It's a big investment for him. You have to walk in someones shoes before you can dictate. Any business is an investment of time an money. Mr.Pupillo must meet the license of every city he goes to. The police check out these truck for carring a license. There isn't a city who would let him get away without paying. I want my freedom or choice, DON'T YOU!
Chris P
7:59 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Thanks for your kind words, Joseph.
I am not against food trucks at all. In fact, several posters and I have proposed several ways that food trucks can work well in Maplewood, short of an outright ban.
If you ran a pizza place, open 11 until midnight, would you be OK with a guy coming along and setting up a table, under your awning, next to your door, but on the public sidewalk, during the two most profitable hours of the day, and selling pizza to the potential customers passing by?
Most business owners would not. Even a food truck would not want me to set up a table directly in front of their ordering window and sell right on the sidewalk. But that's what food trucks can do despite some of them (there are over thirty) following only self-regulation in how they behave.
Downtown St. Louis prohibits food trucks within a certain number of feet of a real restaurant. That is a pretty simple, fair rule. Maplewood chose not to create an area where food trucks can ply their trade, and opts for an outright ban. And here I am proposing alternatives, and I'm "full of bean"?
Jaycen Rigger
8:57 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
Chris P
7:59 am on Monday, June 25, 2012
I am not against food trucks at all.
That's simply not true, Chris. Anyone who reads your comments above can see the intellectual dishonesty in your most recent comment. I'm shocked at your blatant hypocrisy.
You aren't "proposing alternatives", you're proposing increased regulation in an attempt shut down food trucks or scare them out of your area. Let's not pretend this is something other than what it is. You want to use the force of government to stomp on the rights of your neighbors.
To me, that's anti-American. Let business owners run their businesses. Consumers will make free choices and those who run a good business will flourish. Those who run a poor business will fail. It's not the government's job to pick winners and losers.
4:07 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
I support food trucks as free enterprise. However, I do think they need to be reglated and follow guidelines and laws set forth by the city in which they operate. I think they should operate in areas designated by the city. Theyneed to pay a liscense fee as well as taxes to the city in which they operate. The residents and other businesses where they operate must pay to clean up after them and their clients. They also should not be allowed an unfair advatage when poaching on fixed business' customers. I think it is much more comlicated than a simple yes or no answer.
5:57 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
I agree with a lot of the free enterprise viewpoints,freedom of association, freedom to do business and freedom from undue government intrusion into both. Here is where that argument doesn't hold up as well though, and where I agree with the Chris's above. You should be able to conduct business on private property as long as you don't interfere with anyone else. That's a basic liberty. This includes the ability to open up a store in a storefront that I own or rent without the government sticking its nose into what I sell or how I sell it or who I sell to. The problem with that argument is that food trucks and street cart vendors operate in the commons: streets and sidewalks and parks. Jaycen Rugger may disagree that there should even be commons, but the fact of the matter is that there are. And I dont see a problem regulating the commons. The example above about the pizza place setting up a table on the sidewalk is contrived but otherwise a good example because the sidewalk is a common area. I wouldn't be allowed to go into Forest Park and set up a flea market, because is is public property, the same applies. That's not to say that it shouldn't be allowed, far from it as it needs to be encouraged. But it is well within the rights of the city to regulate what business takes place in the commons. I don't see an invasion of liberties here. The idea of putting up a sign designating where food trucks can use public space would be OK with me.
Jaycen Rigger
10:05 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
Fair point, Tony. Your comment is the best reasoned I've read in favor of some regulation.
My problem with Chris's points is that I haven't heard regulations that make sense, only regulations designed to add expense and time to the food truck owners. Signs prohibiting a food truck during certain periods of the day, or within such a distance of a particular business seem legitimate.
In the instances I've brought up, I've mostly seen food trucks pull up to manufacturing plants. No issues there, since they're operating on private property. In the case of a downtown district, a certain amount of regulation makes sense.
Forcing the truck owners to provide extra amenities, be certified as food handlers, etc, are ridiculous in the extreme - just as it would be to force restaraunt owners to do.
Chris P
5:21 am on Tuesday, June 26, 2012
Thanks for pointing all that out. The private property argument is exactly what I was pointing out with the pizza table on the sidewalk example. Yes, a food truck operating on the street can be regulated.
Nancy Blakeley
6:17 pm on Monday, June 25, 2012
They are also independent small business people. Leave them alone and let them earn an honest living!!!!


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It was close to 100 degrees (38 C) in Beverly Hills yesterday, so naturally my companions were getting fitted for tweed jackets. The jackets were by Savile Row's Huntsman, and the cloth in question was Huntsman's 2011 house tweed, which is woven for that firm on Scotland's Isle of Islay. It is 14 ounce 400 gram stuff that is about as light as tweed can reasonably be made and remain authentic, woven in four colorways. Still, give thanks for air conditioning.
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- NJS said...
The thought of tweed in the heat makes me feel quite ill! Nice coats though.
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- gentleman mac said...
Love it! However, why one button fronts?
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- Will said...
You only use one of them, don't you?
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That looks a bit like Master Glasgow, in the second picture.
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I wonder home much of a compromise is involved when the tailor comes to the client? I'd think that Huntsman would encourage several fittings if the client could easily get to London. I don't imagine it's realistic to have numerous fittings with a traveling British tailor.
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The traveling tailors do several fittings, but they do encourage the client to come to London too, if possible. But after several commissions they get to the point that they can cut it down to one or two fittings.
- October 14, 2011 at 8:59:00 PM PDT
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I think those are truly wonderful tweeds. But I wonder if it wouldn't be better to have less distinctive patterns. Those are so unique that unless you have a very large wardrobe, others are apt to notice "that tweed coat again." My own inclination is that when I see something great, I buy it. The result is that I don't think I have enough basics. Your views?
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Loaded the 3.50 image onto my eSata Sheevaplug, and I can confirm that it works perfectly. Just remember not to update U-boot, otherwise it won't boot. You'll have to use this version from New IT: http://www.newit.co.uk/u-boot/uboot-sata-090903.bin.md5. This is only for the eSata version.
Another thing to remember is to back up your favourites - I didn't....
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Hi John,
first step was successful, PlugBox is on the Goflex an works!
Now I'm creating the USB stick. I took an Ubuntu VM to manage that. I've made the partitions as you mentioned. Now I'm bit unsure which exact files belong in which partition.
If I untar the boot.tar.gz in the boot partition there are:
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Is this right?
For the rootfs you tarred my image (the hole root partition) and untarred it to sda3, right?
The modules.tar.gz from the UBIT installation also to /dev/sda3?
5. The ramdisk uInitrd from the DEBIAN rootfs /dev/sda3 ("your image") should be copied to the root folder of /dev/sda1 is this right???
Maybe you could explain for a dummy (me) what to place where.
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Squeezplug on Seagate Go Flex
I'm really new to this and want to use my GoFlex with a Boom. Sorry to be so niaive.
I have windows machines (vista) and the Goflex is attached to my router. If I want to use this software, Do I need to attach a computer to the GoFlex directly or can I get moving through the network.
I have played around with Mandriva in the past but I'm not too confident that I won't ruin my Goflex and this piece of software uses a slightly different approach to mandriva I think. What's best for me (other than forgetting the whole idea) The bits of information seem to be on different sites and assume a bit of knowledge. Where am I best to start?
I understand the need to use a USB stick but not too sure how to prepare it from a windows platform.
I apologise if the answers are obvious to others but some gentle guidance would really be appreciated
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Hi there,
Been looking into getting a NAS, however i am now very tempted to try going down the squeezeplug route instead.
I've got an external 3.5 usb disk, which holds all my music and other files.
Looking at the wiki and the images available, would i be right in thinking for a linux newbie like myself a Sheevaplug from NewIT would be the way forward? Or are there better and cheaper options that i should be considering? If the sheevaplug is the way forward would the sd card they supply with it be enough for me to get SqueezePlug installed, or would i need to purchase another card/usb stick?
As well as using the plug for my squeezeboxes, i'd also like to use it as a server for my other media. Would it simply be a case of installing webmin and creating a samba server with this? And how easy is it to do this?
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Some drives only report blocks written to the platter after they really have been, but that's bad for benchmarks, so most drives fake it, particularly when they detect benchmark-like behavior. Everyone serious about reliability uses battery backup, so whoever's left isn't serious, and (they reason) deserve what they get, because they're not paying. Building in better reliability manifestly doesn't improve sales or margins.
If you pay twice as much for a drive, you might get better behavior. Or you might only pay more.
If you provide a few seconds' battery backup for the drive but not the host, then the blocks in the buffer that the drive said were on the disk get a chance to actually get there.
Journaling no protection against power drop
Posted Sep 1, 2009 17:09 UTC (Tue) by Baylink (subscriber, #755) [Link]
> If you pay twice as much for a drive, you might get better behavior. Or you might only pay more.
I generally find the difference per GB to be 6:1 going from even enterprise SATA drives to Enterprise SCSI (U-160 or faster, 10K or faster). My experience is that I get what I pay for, YMMV.
Posted Sep 1, 2009 17:20 UTC (Tue) by markusle (guest, #55459) [Link]
I'd be very interested in some additional references or a list of drives that do or don't do this.
Posted Sep 1, 2009 17:44 UTC (Tue) by ncm (subscriber, #165) [Link]
The storage industry is as mature as any part of the computer business. It is arranged such as to allow you to spend as much money as you like, and can happily absorb as much as you throw at it. If you know what you're doing, you can get full value for your money. If you don't know what you're doing, you can spend just as much and get little more value than the raw disks in the box. There is no substitute for competence.
Posted Sep 1, 2009 23:28 UTC (Tue) by dododge (subscriber, #2870) [Link]
The old DeskStar drive manual (circa 2002) explicitly stated that power loss in the middle of a write could lead to partially-written sectors, which would trigger a hard error if you tried to read them later on. According to an LKML discussion back then, the sectors would stay in this condition indefinitely and would not be remapped; so the drive would continue to throw hard errors until you manually ran a repair tool to find and fix them.
Posted Sep 5, 2009 0:10 UTC (Sat) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954) [Link]
But then you also get the garbage that the host writes in its death throes (e.g. update of a random sector) while the drive is still up.
To really solve the problem, you need much more sophisticated shutdown sequencing.
Posted Sep 8, 2009 20:54 UTC (Tue) by anton (guest, #25547) [Link]
[Engineers at drive manufacturers] say they happily stop writing halfway in the middle of a sector, and respond to power drop only by parking the head.
Some drives only report blocks written to the platter after they really have been, but that's bad for benchmarks, so most drives fake it, particularly when they detect benchmark-like behavior.
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Posted Sep 10, 2009 20:58 UTC (Thu) by Cato (subscriber, #7643) [Link]
UPSs are useful at least to regulate the voltage and cover against momentary power cuts, which are very frequent where I live, and far more frequent than UPS failures in my experience.
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Which is no problem. The CRC for the sector will be incorrect, which will be reported to the host adapter. The host adapter will then reconstruct the data and write back the correct sector.
Of course you do need RAID for this.
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Without RAID, the operating system will have no idea the sector is corrupt - this is why I like ZFS's block checksumming, as you can get a list of files with corrupt blocks in order to restore from backup.
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Wow, I'm surprised no one mentioned Edge. I know he's never been known for great technique, but for sheer creativity on his instrument I'd venture he deserves a place in rock top 10. His attack always has that signature chiming presence, but he's expanded that sound across a lot of guitars in his career, and with each change has come a huge batch of new sounds, textures, colors, etc. (could anybody who didn't know better guess that Joshua Tree and Achtung Baby were the same guy?)
Here's the rest of my list in no particular order:
George Harrison - not a virtuoso, but what great creative instincts!
EVH - too bad his image has gone to the dogs in the last 5 years, genius player. Has anyone heard the new Van Hagar songs or seen the tour? I'd be interested in your observations, though I'm not very optimistic!
SRV - better overall tone than Hendrix, I think
Randy Rhoads - did I spell that correctly?
Pete Townsend - very literate rhythm playing within a stronger songwriting ethos than most of his '60's counterparts
Jimmy Page - do I need to qualify?)
Eric Clapton - I actually don't like white blues all that much, but man, that guy has great instincts and tone for days
Brian Setzer - maybe he's "swing/rockabilly lite", but he's assimilated a lot of classic players' styles AND he's recorded in the modern era, so you can hear all the great nuances of the Gretsch sound
Andy Summers - another "serve the song" guy on my list who's capable of a lot; those early Police songs were brilliant
David Gilmour - another tone player I love
Wow, that's 11. Oh well.


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Loser team with fair-weather fans Cubs fan: The Cubs are the best! Sox Suck! Did Sammy Sosa hit a homer yesterday?
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A professional baseball team from the city of Chicago. The Cubs are known for their consistent losing and their loyal fans.
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The Chicago Cubs are the baseball club from the North side of Chicago, the polar opposites of the hated White Sox. Though usually not the best team in terms of record, the Cubs have great fans, and almost every game at Wrigley Field is a sellout. The Cubs also have a strong fan base nationwide. In Denver, where I live, there were more Cubs fans at Coors Field than there were Rockies fans. They currently have a very strong lineup including first baseman Derrek Lee and third baseman Aramis Ramirez, as well as former Red Sock Nomar Garciaparra playing shortstop. And their pitching is good as well with Mark Prior, Grag Maddux and Carlos Zambrano as starters and former All-Star Kerry wood recently nade releiver. CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!
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a lineup with: 1b Derek Lee 2b Todd Walker 3b Aramis Ramirez ss Ronny Cedeno LF Matt Murton CF Juan Pierre RF Jacque Jones The Cubs went 98 years without a world series win, I am sure glad it didn't reach 100.
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The Maroon Volunteer Center serves as a clearinghouse to match volunteers with community partners and service opportunities both on and off campus. The MVC also helps support service based student organizations and events including the Service DAWGS, The Big Event, and countless others. Finally, the MVC compliments the mission of Mississippi State University by building service and philanthropic partnerships with campus and community organizations.
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The Semester of Service Challenge encourages student organizations at Mississippi State to design and coordinate a community service project within the local community during the spring semester. These projects will be posted on the Maroon Volunteer Center website, and will be evaluated based on creativity, organization and management, and overall contributions to the community (volunteers recruited, service hours completed, funds raised, cans collected, etc.)
How it works?
Each student organization will oversee one (or more) volunteer projects within the Starkville Community on or after MLK Day (January 21, 2013). The Maroon Volunteer Center can assist student organizations by helping them find a local agency to partner with, helping with media coverage, and sharing information. Student Organizations are encouraged to send community service project information to the Maroon Volunteer Center.
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A large trophy for their organization, publicity, and bragging rights! The Maroon Volunteer Center hopes to make this an annual event and include a special recognition for the winning organization at the volunteer awards banquet in April.
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- Columbus-Lowndes Association for Handicapped Citizens- Volunteers will serve in whatever capacity needed. Assist with parties or day-to-day activities.
- Gentiva Hospice- Looking for 6 month commitment volunteers to help in the office or visit patients weekly or bi-weekly. Different volunteer roles: administrative/clerical, direct patient, bereavement, or special service volunteers.
- Safe Haven- Place for people who have been abused. Volunteers have wide variety of tasks such as painting walls, working outside, or babysitting while parents are in meetings. Work in your expertise area.
- Oktibbeha County 4-H- Volunteers needed for special events.
- Oktibbeha County Humane Society- Volunteers needed to wash dishes, walk dogs, socialize with cats, clean syringes, and more. Volunteers are also needed on the first Saturday of every month to assist with an Animal Showing at Pet Smart in Columbus, MS at 10:45 AM. Lunch will be provided.
Arts & Culture
- Starkville Area Arts Council- Varies each week, but office needs include stuffing and addressing envelopes. Pumpkin Palooza- October 19; Magnolia Film Festival- February 16-18; Garden Expo March 24-25; Cotton District Arts Festival- April 21.
- Starkville-Oktibbeha County Public Library- Shelving books, local history indexing, alphabetizing and sorting local history newspaper clippings, etc.
Children & Youth
- Aiken Village Preschool- Reading or playing with the children.
- Boys & Girls Clubs of the Golden Triangle- Tutor kids from ages 6-17 years old.
- Brickfire Project- Can work in the daycare or the after-school program. Volunteers will tutor, help in classrooms, help with snack, music, sports or another expertise area.
- Columbus YMCA- Volunteers needed in various areas: facility and grounds- painting, mulching, and pressure washing the swimming pool; clerical duties- making copies and making booklets; fitness- if area of study is fitness, you can do an assistantship in workout room with approval.
- Girl Scouts in Starkville Troop 320- Could use older girls who have been in Girl Scouts before to help with some of the older groups. The troop ranges from kindergarten-11th grade.
- ICS Headstart- Volunteers will work with children from 3-5 years old. They will read, do hands-on activities, mentor, or supervise.
- Palmer Children's Home- On Tuesdays and Thursdays, volunteers can help with the Physical Education program. For one hour each evening, volunteers can play with the children out on the playground.
- Project AIM- Mentor students from 3rd-8th grade. Will be assigned to student during the first week of school.
- Sally Kate Winters Home- Volunteers can work at the after school program, where they can tutor or play with the children.
- Southern Foundation for Homeless Children- Mentor a young man age 13-19 years old. The young men need someone who they can relate to, talk about life skills with, and be taken to games or other events in the area.
- Starkville Soccer Association- Need coaches and referees for Fall and Spring season for children's soccer teams.
Community Enrichment
- United Way of North Central MS- Need volunteers who want to solicit to businesses for donations. Also needs a volunteer to come to the office in order to update their website and brochure.
Disability Support
- Ability Works- The center is open 8- 2:30 Monday- Friday. They could use volunteers who would want to privately tutor people with learning or reading disabilities.
- Columbus-Lowndes Association for Handicapped Citizens- Volunteers will serve in whatever capacity needed. Assist with parties or day-to-day activities.
- Camp Seminole- Mostly labor-intensive work that involves tree-trimming, camp site repairs, wood working, and cleaning the area. On October 22-23, all cub scouts and their families are coming to Camp Seminole for a retreat. They will camp out Saturday night and be fed dinner and breakfast. Could use a few volunteers for those days. Could also use as many volunteers as possible October 17-21st to help clean up the campsites and make sure the activity areas are set up properly.
- Habitat for Humanity- Each year Habitat partners with MSU students, faculty, and staff during the fall semester to build the fall Maroon Edition home.
- Noxubee Wildlife Refuge- Various projects at the refuge depending on the time of year. Events take place every 1st and 3rd Saturday of the month. Trash pick-up is a major service area.
Health & Wellness
- Oktibbeha County Regional Hospital- Volunteers will work in customer service (front desk), retail (gift shop), and as patient representatives. Commit to one year of service and work 2-4 hours shifts 2-3 times per month.
- Salvation Army – Starkville- Volunteers are needed to help with kettle collections during the holidays, collect food for the pantry, and collect clothing and other items for the thrift store in addition to helping with the organization of the store. Volunteer hours are M-F from 9-5. Volunteers are allowed 8 hours of volunteering. If more hours are desired, volunteers can become permanent with a background check.
- Salvation Army – Columbus- Volunteers help sort items for the thrift store and food pantry as well as working at sites to help maintain facilities. In addition, volunteers are needed to help with kettle collections during holidays, collect food for the pantry, and collect clothing and other items for the thrift store.
International Support
- English as a Second Language Center- Usually need volunteers at the beginning and end of their 8 week sessions, and also during big events. Contact their office to see if anything is available.
Senior Citizens
- Columbus-Lowndes Association for Handicapped Citizens- Volunteers will serve in whatever capacity needed. Assist with parties or day-to-day activities.
- Gentiva Hospice- Looking for 6 month commitment volunteers to help in the office or visit patients weekly or bi-weekly. Different volunteer roles: administrative/clerical, direct patient, bereavement, or special service volunteers.
- Magnolia Manor- Volunteers can help with activities around the center. They can also shadow someone in the mental health area.
Other Agencies
- 52 Moms
- Adult Basic Literacy Program
- Boys & Girls Club in Starkville
- Care Ministries of the Blind
- Catch a Dream Foundation
- Community Counseling Services
- Emerson Family School
- Family Centers Program Mentoring
- Oktibbeha County Heritage Museum
- Peter's Rock Food Pantry
- Prairie Opportunity
- Recovery House
- Saint Joseph's Food Pantry
- Senior Enrichment Center
- Smiles Learning Center
- St. Vincent de Paul Food Pantry
- Starkville Community Market
- Starkville Community Theatre
- Starkville Manor Nursing Home
- Student Support Services
- T.K. Martin Center
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I've always loved this vintage clip of Stevie, and just thought it would be fun to share :)
J and T and I have been taking turns being under the weather for the last couple of weeks and we're finally all feeling better at the same time -- just in time for the weekend (Taro is off from work on Sundays and Mondays because he works with the Our Time kids every Saturday). Anyway, were looking forward to hanging out together and relaxing -- maybe catching a movie.
What are you doing this weekend? Whatever your plans, I hope you have a lovely time. XOXO.


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Joel Hagan of Onzo to present the case for Smart Analytics for Energy Consumers at the Smart Energy Summit, February 25-27
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Onzo announced today that Joel Hagan, CEO of Onzo Ltd., will be participating as a speaker at Parks Associates' Smart Energy Summit: Engaging the Consumer, February 25-27 in San Antonio, Texas. Joel will participate in the session on Big Data and Analytics: Monetizing Data on Wednesday 27th February at 1.00pm in the Sheraton Gunter Hotel.
"Data Analytics is the key to freeing consumers from the tyranny of an uncorroborated bill as the only interaction they have with their energy usage", says Joel Hagan, CEO of Onzo. "Our advanced algorithms open up a new world of insight that gives users information to help them make their homes and lifestyle more efficient." Read more…
Onzo announces an increased investment and focus in Smart Energy Data Analytics
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Onzo Ltd., one of the world leaders in smart energy analytics, today announced an increased focus and new investment in its data analytics business, following the successful sale of its hardware and digital delivery division to Scottish & Southern Energy (SSE).
Onzo is acknowledged as the leader in energy disaggregation, having developed robust algorithms which are used to extract individual appliance usage information and consumption from electricity consumption data. The sale of its award winning in-home display business to SSE allows Onzo to further expand its development of consumer and utility insight software modules, working with major systems integrators and industry partners to help utilities gain value from the tsunami of data that they will receive from smart meters. Read more…
Onzo Highly Commended at IET Innovation Award Ceremony
London – 22nd November 2012
At the IET Innovation Awards this evening, Onzo was Highly Commended as one of the five companies short listed companies for this prestigious awards.
In a highly competitive Power and Energy category, Onzo was highlighted as "enabling energy data to be acquired, analysed and presented in multiple, compelling and actionable forms". Read more…


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The sky did not fall
I saw comments about the "leadership" position taken by the mayor and city council in the paper Thursday concerning alcohol in city parks. It reminds me of the verse in the Bible that says if the blind lead the blind, they will both fall in the ditch. If you truly want to be leaders, you would stop futile attempts to legislate morality. I grew up in this town, and for years I wished alcohol would be legalized.
To drink or not to drink isn't the issue. The quality of food and entertainment in a given locale always will hinge on the availability of alcohol. Now we have some decent food, but still nothing exciting, due directly to the 70 percent-30 percent rule. I predict that because of misguided fears about "party goers" and "intoxicated persons," either Vine Grove or Radcliff will become the first actual city in Hardin County, because they welcome progress instead of fighting it at every turn. E'town will be the retirement home of the county.
By the way, if there is an issue to be discussed about Freeman Lake, it's not beer bottles and cans offending my Christian sensibilities. It's the goose feces that covers every square inch of the park within 150 feet of the water.
I would trust my 3 year old to dodge a few hundred drunken people at Heartland Festival, but no one could be expected to avoid all that poo.
A new event planner will not help. The city's events will continue to flounder and be unprofitable. Few will come and few will care. That is unless the city council and the mayor show some real leadership and do what the city needs, and not necessarily what Ma and Pa Kettle think is best.
Without alcohol, there is no event. Beer now lines the shelves of gas stations and grocery stores, the sky did not fall. The alcoholics now only have time to drink one beer on the way home from Kroger instead of four beers on the long ride from Lebanon Junction.
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