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vosmiura wrote:
Not everyone can go live in Japan for a year or two to help their Japanese learning. Also not everyone can go to quality classes either. A lot of people study on their own, and they are lucky if they even have someone to practice with from time to time.
AJATT is bunch of ideas for how to replace the lack of real immersion with DIY immersion for self study. And even for people who are living in Japan, AJATT sends a message that they have to study; living in Japan doesn't mean you will get good at Japanese like magic. Personally I think it has some very good ideas, and since I started using those ideas my Japanese improved a lot in a short time.
If you pay attention, Khatzumoto advises to start with basics and build up. Choosing your own sentences may not be structured, but on the other hand you should only be picking sentences that "You want to know right now!". In other words he suggests that you should not be learning everything you come across; you should not be learning too obsucre stuff; you learn stuff that you can put in a context that interests you right away.
By comparison, a course or a textbook may be structured, but it may have little relevance to you. You may never be a foreign exchange student... so learning the names of subjects in school, and "senmon wa nan desu ka" may be pretty useless to you.
Yes, Khatzu does imply that one should start with the basics in regards to the sentence method. However, at least as far as I have seen, he isn't very clear about what the basics are and how you should go about discerning them. This is a lot like telling somebody without construction experience to build a house. Language professionals make a living just by clearly defining what the basics are for us. That way, we don't have to go through the trial-and-error pain of figuring out ourselves! For example, if I'm browsing through the dictionary, as Khatzu recommends, and I come across a sentence making use of the Japanese word for dinosaur, "kyouryuu", I might think : "hmmm, this word seems basic enough for someone of my skill level, plus I am interested in dinos cuz they are kewl." So I add this particular sentence, and lo-and-behold, I don't hear or see the word for months on end except for in my SRS. Sure, it is being reenforced a little, but not in a real-world way. In fact, I get so used to the same sentence that I wouldn't even recognize the word for dinosaur if it wasn't part of that sentence. And even if I did, it would be on shaky ground at best and I would always be second-guessing myself. If someone starts telling me about their "kyori", hometown, I might have dinosaurs on the brain instead. Learning obscure words first often causes one to actively "look" for them in places they don't even exist. The homonym-heavy nature of Japanese makes this problem even worse.
So instead of subjecting yourself to making decisions about these things, why not pick up a good highly rated textbook that matches your skill level in which a professional has already determined what you should learn. Just skip over the classroom words if you want. You can use sentences from the textbook for your SRS, or better yet, you can make your own based on what you are learning from it.
I agree that textbooks are often too polite or contrived, but at least they deal with real words that make up a common base of Japanese vocab that every Japanese person would and should know.
Comic books, manga, anime, and other mass media uses a lot of slang and sometimes outright gibberish. Most people would rather err on the side of appearing overly formal rather than incredibly weird/rude.
Furthermore, I don't see how Khatzu's suggestion of mining from a dictionary is any better. Aren't dictionaries usually just as formal and stuffy?
Personally, I think your best bet at the sentence method is either mining from a textbook, or making your own sentences based around an efficient word base such as the JLPT words. If you want to, you could try to "informalize" the sentences before you put them in your SRS.
As far as learning in Japan, I know that not everybody you meet is going to be an enthusiastic teacher. However, I'm pretty sure that the average mcdonalds employee will help make a foreigner understand that they are asking "you want fries with that"? even if they have to point at a picture. This is what I mean by context-driven structure that adapts to your level.
Dragg wrote:
I agree that textbooks are often too polite or contrived, but at least they deal with real words that make up a common base of Japanese vocab that every Japanese person would and should know.
Great, what do you do when they answer you with casual Japanese? Understanding is much more important than being understood while in Japan.
Furthermore, I don't see how Khatzu's suggestion of mining from a dictionary is any better. Aren't dictionaries usually just as formal and stuffy?
Most definitions/example sentences in dictionaries I've seen use casual Japanese.
Personally, I think your best bet at the sentence method is either mining from a textbook, or making your own sentences based around an efficient word base such as the JLPT words. If you want to, you could try to "informalize" the sentences before you put them in your SRS.
Mining from textbooks/beginner dictionaries is suggested by Khatzu. I would highly recommend to NOT make up your own sentences, no matter how confident you are, unless you have a native Japanese speaker sitting right there and checking everything. Switching from polite to casual, while usually fairly straightforward, often isn't.
Dragg wrote:
Yes, Khatzu does imply that one should start with the basics in regards to the sentence method. However, at least as far as I have seen, he isn't very clear about what the basics are and how you should go about discerning them. This is a lot like telling somebody without construction experience to build a house. Language professionals make a living just by clearly defining what the basics are for us.
Well he gives some pointers such as starting with a good particle book and working your way through every example. There are lots of sources that you can use as guides for what is beginner, intermediate & advanced.
The professionals each have their own ways, that don't always agree. For example one source may teach you "ga = but" in an early chapter, and another might keep it for a much later chapter. Which one is right?
That way, we don't have to go through the trial-and-error pain of figuring out ourselves!
Instead you labor through all the exercises in the textbook for weeks and months, all the while thinking you are making progress, but in reality it's moving quite slowly and won't get you very far in the real world.
For example, if I'm browsing through the dictionary, as Khatzu recommends, and I come across a sentence making use of the Japanese word for dinosaur, "kyouryuu", I might think : "hmmm, this word seems basic enough for someone of my skill level, plus I am interested in dinos cuz they are kewl." So I add this particular sentence, and lo-and-behold, I don't hear or see the word for months on end except for in my SRS.
I didn't think Khatzu recommends browsing the dictionary, fishing for things you 'might' be interested in. He recommends you learn things that you see and need. For example if you are reading a book and you see a word that you want to read, then you go and check the definition in a dictionary and add an example sentence in your SRS to help remember that word.
Sure, it is being reenforced a little, but not in a real-world way. In fact, I get so used to the same sentence that I wouldn't even recognize the word for dinosaur if it wasn't part of that sentence. And even if I did, it would be on shaky ground at best and I would always be second-guessing myself. If someone starts telling me about their "kyori", hometown, I might have dinosaurs on the brain instead. Learning obscure words first often causes one to actively "look" for them in places they don't even exist. The homonym-heavy nature of Japanese makes this problem even worse.
I used to be skeptical about practicing sentences in an SRS too. I suggest you stop assuming how it might be in theory, and start doing in practice.
In normal life we normally get a lot more input than we output. We're naturally good to learn language just from input. There are lots of words we pick up that we never speak. People who are speaking impaired are able to learn spoken language without ever speaking a word. One of Stephen Kranshen's publications highlights one person who was born with most of his body paralyzed so he could not talk or write, but he was able to learn English from listening and reading, and later when given a special typing device, was able to write perfect and elaborate English.
So instead of subjecting yourself to making decisions about these things, why not pick up a good highly rated textbook that matches your skill level in which a professional has already determined what you should learn. Just skip over the classroom words if you want. You can use sentences from the textbook for your SRS, or better yet, you can make your own based on what you are learning from it.
I was sutdying JFE (great textbook) before I started doing sentence mining ala AJATT. After I started mining, I decided to mine JFE for all grammar points that I didn't know.
It took only a few days to mine all of them. And then through reviewing it didn't take long to learn all of them. Far less than if I had worked my way through the 27 lessons (JFE is quite a dense material). After, I could read all dialogues in JFE except where I didn't know the vocab, so I decided I need to start bulking up on common vocab. And that's where Kanji Odyssey came in.
PS. I wouldn't recommend making up your own sentences to put in your SRS. You might learn something wrong or unnatural, uless you have a native to check them for you.
Last edited by vosmiura (2008 April 07, 8:25 pm)
I live in Japan, and almost no one helps me learn Japanese. By this I mean, most Japanese, at least in Tokyo, are hell bent on learning English, so if you speak to them in Japanese they will answer in English. Ordering at McDonald's is always an English affair, it seems even fast food workers enjoy a quick convo in English to break the monotony. So even though I have my colloquial ordering language up to scratch it's really useless. Also, I'm a stay at home dad, so I don't really meet many people to speak Japanese with at all. Without sentences, Japanese TV and lots of reading, I would learn nothing at all in my supposedly wholly Japanese existence.
I can swear like children, though.
I assume this is all because I can't go the sleeping-with-the-dictionary route.
Last edited by phauna (2008 April 07, 7:06 pm)
You know, there is a reason I will be giving this AJATT method a try, and it's not because it seems like it's the quickest route.
No; it seems like this path legitimately works for many people. Not only that, but here's my story with learning Japanese:
I've always been really into it. I tried teaching myself a bunch of times but never put as much effort into it as I could. Then, when I got to college, I realized "Hey, I can finally learn Japanese in a class! Hell, I can major in it!" So, that's what I did.
Now, Japanese classes at my college are all taught by very competent, older native Japanese women. There are three different levels that each span two semesters, plus self study one-on-one at the 4th year level.
Since I began to study here I've put all my time and effort into it. I pretty much do nothing but study Japanese. It's really the only thing that is fun for me, plus I can pass my "GenEd" classes by just breathing. When I started, I blew through Heisig's book on the Kana, and started the kanji book. I'm finally back to about 500, but that's a whole other story.
Anyway, classes went very well. I practiced all the time, got good grades, and enjoyed going to my teacher's office hours and just talking in Japanese (or attempting it). However, now that I look back, I discover that talking Japanese didn't help as much as it should. And making up my own sentences definitely hurt me a bit. Let me explain.
I've recently reviewed all my homework from the first and second year (I'm finishing up the second year (202) now). I've noticed that if I wrote something wrong on a homework once, I continued to get it wrong. It showed on the test, and on other homeworks. This was ONLY when I was translating from English to Japanese, or just plain old writing a paragraph in Japanese. The teacher correct it, and I rewrote it myself, but it didn't help. It implemented itself.
Now, we've gone through both Genki books, and I've done some self study on the side (no sentences yet), but can I read anything well? Nope. I can not. I can't read children's books; I can read children's magazines; I can't read manga; I can't read anything. Want to know what I CAN read? I can read the stories they put in the "kanji" section that are tailored to use our vocabulary and exactly our understanding of current grammar.
So, what does that tell you?
*New story
Sorry to make this post so long, but another story just popped into my head that backs the AJATT site.
So, I was hanging out with some friends, one of which was cooking a delicious home cooked meal, and one of my friend's roommates comes out. She's Chinese, and has been here since the 8th grade and is now 24. We were talking about all different things, and suddenly it comes up about how she learned English.
Basically, to break it down, she didn't do any kind of English classes; she also didn't study English very much. However, she did say, using an interesting term that caught my ear, that for about three years (until her senior year of high school) she was basically silent. Then, she said, she started talking and making herself understood in English. (A cute side note, she said how she was so proud the first time she understood what someone was asking her to do and she said, "Ok!" and held up the little hand sign that goes along with it).
This immediately reminded me of that theory that there should be a silent period during language "acquisition" (as we'll call it) that has one doing all input and no output. It seems to have worked quite well for her!
That's my spiel.
phauna wrote:
I live in Japan, and almost no one helps me learn Japanese.
I live in Japan and everyone helps me learn Japanese. Just today a friend of a friend introduced herself to me at school in English and we were just blabbing about little things on the way from class to lunch.
Another classmate of mine comes up and tells her in Japanese, "You know he speaks Japanese right." Then proceeds to force the fact by switching the conversation entirely to Japanese.
Every situation is different but ultimately you just have to forge the path you want. For example at McDonald's just order completely in Japanese. If you get a bad reaction then there is something wrong with your pronunciation, so have a friend fix the pronunciation of the menu items. (I'll admit I cheated a bit. I had a friend who had a part-time job at Mac and I had her practice with me a lot until I could order everything we could remember existed on the menu. She had a blast too!)
I help my friends a lot with their English, but I also refuse to associate with anyone who can't respect the idea that I am here to learn Japanese. Never associate people that just drag you down.
phauna wrote:
I assume this is all because I can't go the sleeping-with-the-dictionary route.
My roommate is proof that this is no guarantee.
I've found hanging out in bars to be much more productive. Make friends with the staff first and they can introduce you to the regulars. Most people will talk with you for an hour and sometimes more. Often they'll introduce their friends and if you go to the same place they'll bring new friends just to talk to you. Much cheaper than eikawa and you can just drink juice. Plus since most of the customers are male you won't develop girly Japanese!
Last edited by tokyostyle (2008 April 14, 6:32 am)
I'm nearing the end of RTK1 and am intending to start down the AJATT route once I finish up, going through a dictionary of basic japanese grammar mining sentences. I am uneasy however about only reviewing from Kanji to readings and meaning.
So my question then, to anyone who has been doing sentence mining+SRS, do you find after a few reviews you able to produce (with effort, I don't expect them to just slip out) the sentences when you need to, or at least to form sentences using the same grammar structures from them?
I'm aware AJATT isn't just about the sentences method and immersion is all part of it, I live in a small rural village in Hokkaido where few people speak English so I have plenty opportunity to practice and am fairly immersed as it is.
Last edited by tomusan (2008 April 21, 9:50 am)
If you're serious about kanji, I suggest using the readings on the question side to quiz yourself on writing the kanji. You will definitely learn how to write the words with their kanji then because you will be failing yourself if you can't. The other benefit from this is that you don't have the advantage of having the kanji there to help distinguish the large amount of homonyms in Japanese, so it is somewhat similar to as if you were actually listening in a conversation and had to pick out the word from context.
If you're using Anki, also use a second card model in which you just read out the sentence in its full kanji form. You can also just read this on the answer side when you answer the other card, but I find that having just written the full sentence in kanji kind of negates any challenge of reading it. Since anki will space card pairs apart, you can practice reading it without having just written it down. And I say practice (instead of test) because truthfully, if you can write it out, 90% of the time you can read it, but I still find it to be good practice and that it helps me be able to read more quickly.
tomusan wrote:
So my question then, to anyone who has been doing sentence mining+SRS, do you find after a few reviews you able to produce (with effort, I don't expect them to just slip out) the sentences when you need to, or at least to form sentences using the same grammar structures from them?
I'll often start to use stuff after they get to around a month for review time; but I definitely don't use everything I put in. ymmv.
It's a tad off-topic but: I am really, really bad at abbreviations and acronyms. Hence: what on earth does: ymmv mean?! Certainly it get's posted around a 100 times on these forums a day! (I am good at exaggerating though )
Last edited by roderik (2008 April 21, 11:54 am)
Your Mileage May Vary.
I agree with sutebun. I started going "both ways" in my reviews a few weeks ago, and I've already noticed a huge difference in my comprehension and in my ability to write. It was a royal pain the butt to go through the huge stack of cards I had created when I added a kana reading -> writing out the sentence form, kanji and all, from the sentences I already had, but I think it's been well worth the extra effort.
The one thing I'm sort of struggling with is trying to figure out how many examples of a concept I should stick in my SRS. Too few, and you don't see it enough. Too many, and you waste effort. I'm sure there's a sweet spot in there somewhere.
nest0r: A few people from this forum are using a book/CD called Kanji Odyssey. It has example sentences for lots of kanji readings. The CD version has sound but suffers from *ugh* pictures of text which means you still can't copy it into an SRS.
Last edited by zdude255 (2008 April 25, 8:57 pm)
Nestor, there's currently not a preset regimen set out just yet. Hopefully in a short amount of time there will be a few Kodansha books put in spread sheet format to ease entry into an SRS. Now, I and others agree no one should get access to that spread sheet that does not have the original book.
Anyway, my "current" regimen.
1. RTK through 2042 - Done
2. RTK review altered to be Kanji to Concept AND Keyword to Kanji to Keyword - in process (ongoing).
3a. Sentences from Understanding Basic Japanese Grammar - Chapter one done (350 sentences), reviewed in Kana to Kanji and Kanji to Kana card format.
or (as in, I don't think you need to do both but not a guarentee at this point)
3b. Sentences from Kodansha books (Handbook of Japanese Verbs, Handbook of Japanese Adjectives and Adverbs, All About the Particles) - none done, I assume it could be 1000 sentences and a GREAT basis for having Kanji and Grammar under your belt.
4. Kanji Odyssey 2001 - Upto 15 kanji (hey, just started, give me a break).
I'll be honest in that I "WANTED" to finish UBJG, but typing in all those sentences is a big chore. On top of that, I had to convert the kana to kanji, add in the definitions and then input them into the SRS.
For those that think typing in each of the sentences is important, I disagree because my method for each sentence is: Define new words (via jcewp for now), WRITE the new sentence for the initial review and from then on out. It still takes upto an hour to do 15 sentences even with a ready made spread sheet.
The group effort of KO2001 really got me back to my SRS again. Great job to everyone there.
I have a somewhat similar approach, but for me, about half of this is review/refresher stuff. (I had 6 semesters, then walked away for 2-3 years.)
1. RTK- done with all 2042. Reviewing on this site daily. I'll tackle RTKIII some other time.
2. K.O. -- doing it in Anki, both ways. Sentence full o'kanji-> Recognition/Reading, Reading in kana->Write out sentence, kanji and all. Takes longer, but it's more effective for me. At about 45 kanji in that so far, but that's a deceptive number. There's LOTS of vocab to learn there, so things can bog down. I'm plowing through it, because I want to finish it up as fast as I can. For some of the tricker compounds, I wish I could find smaller, easier sentences so I can focus on them separately. Duh. I may just get them off of excite.co.jp's Kenkyusha dicts.
3. UBJG-- already finished parts I and II. Scanner pen helps tons here. I'm scanning straight into Anki. Going both ways isn't as effective here. Not as much kanji. It's a handy book, but really dull, vocab-wise. Lots of sentences, though, and the verb section has lots of repetitive sentences. Useful.
4. All About Particles-- Checked it out of the Uni library, and I'm scanning it into an excel sheet now, to add a little later. Probably after I finish scanning in UBJG. Not really sure how to incorporate it all, though. It's a bit dense, and the idea of just learning all the は particle stuff, then all the が particle stuff seems weird. (But breaking it all down by function sounds tedious.)
5. Kitchen Sink full of Kodansha Books. I'll probably add some stuff from the adjective/adverb book eventually, as well as some of the sentence patterns, if I feel like it. I'll probably also plunder some stuff from other books as well. I'm a sucker for Kodansha books.
I haven't really figured out how to approach the Basic Dictionary of Japanese Grammar yet. I don't really want to go through it in alphabetical order... that just sounds silly. I suppose I'll try to find a list of all the grammar on the version of the JLPT I'm aiming for. (Probably 2... although I don't know if I can pass that this year.)
The tricky bit is figuring out what to add and when. Too much kanji and not enough grammar makes Jack a dull boy who can't make a complex sentence. Too much grammar and not enough kanji and you're stuck talking about eating and going to school. (Which is fine, if that's all you ever do.)
The other tricky bit is figuring out how many sentences are enough. Not enough, and you don't learn a concept efficiently. Too many, and your brain just sort of checks out and ignores it. (At least mine does.)
So yeah, after RTK, it's easy. (Lie.)
EDIT: For audio, I just listen to a lot of JP stuff. I listen to the Intermediate JPod101 podcasts while I work out. Since they're about 80% Japanese, it's pretty good. I also download/watch JP TV shows. One thing I noticed is that I need to work on my accents. Mine are kind of all over the place.
Last edited by rich_f (2008 April 26, 1:36 am)
That's an interesting approach - only doing Kanji to Pronunciation (recognition) for UBJG. It makes sense as there is a lot of repetition and monotony in the book (which Khatzumoto warned a little about in his entry about it). In fact, I'm less likely to break up sentences that I like to have together for context if I do it that way.
As KO is perfect for writing and reading practice, that'll be the duel card layout.
Man, when I say my "current" plan, I really mean I will change it as it suits me. This suits me. Thanks for the nudge.
For Kodansha, nothing wrong with going with samples for areas you did not know about. You're right about Ka and Ga, so probably skip them and go for the rest.
That scanner pen is sounding more and more tempting. Argh.
Well, if you need sound sources that go with the sentence sources, there's always JFE. Someone on the board has already converted it into an excel sheet, and you can find the audio from it if you look around on the web a little bit. (I still can't remember where I found it.) I've been pondering if I'll use that as well... but again, I don't want to wind up repeating stuff too much.
And yeah, now that I know how to make the scanner pen work, I find it's pretty quick. I went through the first 8 pages of part II in about an hour or two. That's about 40 facts/80 cards.
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Well, if you need sound sources that go with the sentence sources(...)
I reccomend you to check 情熱大陸+P
Here's a link to the Japanese for Everyone discussion. The link in the very first post will lead you to the site hosting the Excel spreadsheet with all the sentences in it. He even went so far as to convert the kana to kanji, saving you a huge amount of work.
You *really* need to have the book to make the most use of it, though. And also, from a copyright fairness issue, you should also have it. I found it used locally for $10-20, so it shouldn't be too hard to find.
Genki is also a good textbook series... but textbooks are, for the most part, textbooks. I do think that Genki's approach to teaching verb conjugations is a little better than most, because it uses the Japanese kana rather than spelling out conjugations in romaaji. I find it's easier to remember them that way, but that's a personal preference issue.
Rich, are you tagging your facts (or cards) so you can later seperate them?
Not to criticize anyone's methods, but I think, at least according to the AJATT guy, you're doing a little too much work that could be counter productive.
I think his message is to read things that interest you (the beginner's and intermediate's grammar dictionary is fine) and to take sentences that you can connect with and strike home with you. So I don't think it's productive to copy every single sentences from the grammar dictionaries, but maybe one or two that you find amusing/interesting/etc.
I could be misinterpreting though; and, if it works for you, then go for whatever.
I don't bother tagging cards. Japanese is Japanese. The way I see it, if I can read it/understand it, then that's fine. If not, then I fail it.
Actually, everyone takes from that page what they want. What he did was pretty straightforward-- he tossed everything that wasn't Japanese out of his life, and surrounded himself with it as best he could. The sentences were a useful way to study, and to surround himself with even more Japanese-- Japanese that's grammatically correct. His whole thing (which I agree with) is that proper input precedes proper output. The more proper input, the better the chance you'll produce proper output.
How you implement that is up to you. I don't agree with everything he says. To me, "fun" is irrelevant. I'm doing this because I want to. If that isn't motivation enough, then what is? I don't need it to be "fun." I find the act itself enjoyable.
I did the Japanese courses while I was in grad school, and I found that overemphasizing output too soon left me with nothing to say, and no way to say it. Telling me, "Just say whatever you want," didn't work for me, because I didn't have the tools to say what I wanted to.
So I'm putting a lot of stress on input. The sentences serve an important function for me-- they're all grammatically correct Japanese. I'm trying to reinforce good language habits for now, rather than get into bad ones again.
I also read/watch/listen to a lot of Japanese as well. Don't get me wrong. I don't just do sentences all day-- but I do make sure that the sentences I review do as much as possible for me. I'm not cramming just anything in, either. I'm being somewhat selective.
But there's no sin in working hard for something you want.
I thought I was adding a lot of cards a day, from JFE, KO and UBJG, but it sounds like you two guys are hooning along. How many do you review, and how many do you add a day? Because I'm not really typing sentences in much anymore it's getting quite fast to add more, I review 80 to 100 a day and add maybe fifty more. I couldn't imagine doing front to back and back to front at this pace.
A lot of people seem to love grammar sentences here, there is just something i would liek to throw out there for people to think about.
Although sentences in text books and grammar guides are grammatically correct and great when starting to learn Japanese. They are often quite unnatural Japanese. try not to take them too seriously. Just understand the grammar and move on. I would really recommend authentic texts as soon as you can dive into them. otherwise you will be able to speak Japanese but it will sound rather unnatural. even though your getting input it isn't authentic! so you will sound like a text book which is just not real Japanese. If you look in an English text book for foreigners I'm sure you will think what i would never say half of the sentences in here?! same thing.


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\ The Clare and Press. ESTABLISHED: ??eH,ocrat--?>e?'>-?884> press* April, 1878, [CLARE, MICH., FRIDAY^ JANUARY q, i8qi. NEW SERIES NO. 76, DRY GOODS FINE SHOES 5 -Hozen pairs Ladies' Kid, Button $2.00 SHOES, Reduced for a Leader ■,j to $1.25. "'■ *ic*rfrfj ^'■-"-vj.?*'-*-'"/ :;r The trade 011 our Drew, Shelby & Go's. FINE SHOES is still increasing. A trial pair makes 'a steady customer in every case. bargains the you so, Iti We are now offering great inducements in Dress Goods and Cloaks • NEWS AND NOTES. Various Itetua of Xnierest VFraw "Various Sources, II. Razok, Harrison, Tuesday. Mrs. Dick "Wilson is quite sick. • Sauj- kraut 5 cents per quart nt Welch's, Rev. L. L. Tower was at Farwe|l on Wednesday. Reye. Goodman was up from Ijoomis, Wednesday. Wm, Woisky made a business trip to FarwolJ, yesterday. A, M. Tinker, of Harrison, changed ears at Clare "Wednesday. • Miss Lorenja Adams visited at Farwell a couple of days this week. II. Razck lias been busy taking an inventory of his stock this week. II. II. Graves, of Mt. Pleasaut, was seen upon our streets Wednesday, For Rubbers, sox, felts, mitts and all worm goods, call at Bickncll's store. Mrs. F, J. Todd and children were at Farwell, Wednesday, visiting friends. Win. Wolsky will return to his family in Chicago either Saturday or Monday. Mrs, Win. Stine went to Farwell, Wednesday, for a few days' visit witn friends. See our 30e tea, worth 50c. See our Hour, feed, oats, potatoes, etc., etc., says Bieknell, Wm. Giberson went to Detroit, Wednesday, to be absent two or three days on business, The Ladles' Aid Society will meet nest Tuesday at the homo of Mrs. M. Brayman nt 2 p. m. A nine pound girl baby is a recent ar- riyal at the home of Mr. and Mrs. John Young. The mother is very ill. Miss Lillie DeOoo, who has been visiting friends in Saginaw for some time, returned to her home in Clare last Friday evening. "Will." Griffiths and Miss Anna Lineen went to Muskegon, Thursday, for a week's visit with relatives and friends at that place. Visit Bickneft's great gift sale for the month of January, commencing Jan. 12. Every person making a purchase of 60c gets a present. Master Norvll Dilnlop, who has been staying with his uncle, John W, Dtmlop, for some time past, returned to his home huhvi^'lK this village within the. past ofc Chothoru, Ont.r yestorda1^^!** t*% f ilh if •tfU*tP uuraerous. numbers *r*MM. Davis is on the sick list this week. Mr|. S, A. Wilson, of Harrison, visited In Ojifc} yesterday. fie^Keidon, of Gladwin, was In Clare on builneiss Tuesday. Chlj) dried beef 15 cents per pound at Wdtffe meat market. MtefLitlio DeCoo visaed friends at Mt, fri^sunt yesterday^ C.'JJognn, a Caltlnavjlle merchant, wasUi,Clare WednesMf-,"' O.'tf.Pen-ynttoit'aJph'ciiit court at JlUrriSfn Monday «^§i*day. B<««»r<tanfloM,;|aW«on, changed cara-yGlare Moiidaffo#fils. way to Lan- sinX%)' '••'.# MiyW.A. Ryan vjslled at Sanford and Midland two or three dnyi last Debt's plioto^raPiic work is finess" also the cheapest and don't foi-ge* It. DJVyou wftuttosayo money? If vlslt^ickiieU's- store for everjjrWng,^ Di«;P,E. Wiftfepoon and wife, of the visitors at Lan- IlarrRon, are nrao^ sing <iiis week. ■& Mr*, J. II. Veilc.of Piuconning, is vis itlng^ber'narents, Mr. and Mrs. Byron Algeria this village, GeiMgo Whitslde has been at Harrison durhfi the week acting In the capacity of a circuit court juror, Te*»eLouch wentto Detroit Monday moruwg, where he will enter college and take ff Complete business course Iloa. Giles Ross, of Highland, arrived in Cl|i* last evening for a fe"w* clays' visitrttlth his son, Wm. Ross, and old Clari* friends, Tijjfiti have been rumors afloat for the pastii'cek about Thos. Ilolbreok having joined thft army of benedicts, but he de- nlofjtiie charge. Swl Wilson, who is attending the "University at Ann Arbor,spent the holidays witl$i>is parents at Harrison, -returning to h$f studies Monday. I'l^fiects of sleighing is rather dis- conrfeing nt present. The roads are in mtistfavorable condition, however, and it would, require only a small quantity. Tin? iiog poisoner has been getting in One Door North of Postoffiee. S. C. KIRKBRIDE. if ii' M I* Ho, Not by any Means, Providing you tray your srocenes ana rrovssions -OF- T^ey are unquestionably the LEADERS in that branch d%>business in this section of the country. They sell more goods 4han any other dealers in Clare county. And, why! There must be a reason! It is is simply because they sell honest goods at honest prices. One man's dollars is as good as anotner's, and a child can buy as cheap of them as a grown person. We are determined to keep in the lead, and our plan is well defined in the old time motto, "Quick Sales and Small Profits." Come and see us. It will pay you. Farmers, we want your produce and will pay you the highest going prices, tret TnflrfBf^nFcS^;? iXilV*$tfppS. the homo of Mrs. Olds, Wednesday-, January 14th, front 5 until S o'clock. Harry Hamilton, night clerk at the Bennett House, at Mt. Pleasant, is missing since Sunday night and also about §225 in cash and checks belonging to his employer. Ed. Cress, who is in the empjoy of E. H. DeVogt, the photographer, started Wednesday for the upper peninsula. He says he may homestead 1G0 acres of land before his return. Miss Bessie Giberson returned to the cotiipt\'i\tory of music at Detroit Lost Sati.rday morning, after spending Christmas and New Years with her parents and friends at Clare. W. B. Cooley started Tuesday for a few day."-' tour, soliciting orders for marble work. He went to Reed City and will take in all the principal towns on the G. R. & I, railroad before returning. Those of our subscribers who promised to pay their subscriptions in wood are requested to come along with tbc fuel, as it is now cold weather and we want it, Don't forget to attend to this matter now. Carpenters have been at work repairing the interior of the union depot this week, and have made many improvements. Two lamp posts are being erected, which is also a much needed improvement. Now if the officials would cause a partition to be made, dividing the ladies' and gents' waiting rooms, the people who frequent tbo depot at this place would be truly-grateful. The 5-mon(.hs-old son of Mr. and Mrs. Ed. Davis, which has been very sick for the past four weeks, dice1 last Friday evening. Whooping cough was the cause of its death. The funeral was held at their home on east Cth street, Sunday, at 2 o'clock p. m,, Rev. L. L. Tower conducting the service. The remains were interred in Cherry Grove cemetery. The bereayed parents have the sympathy of the entire community. On Tuesday morning as a special freight train was backing from a side track onto the main line, on the hill lust west of Farwell, the running gear of a car in the middle of the train broke, and three cars were thrown from the track, As there was an embankment on either side of the railroad track where the accident happened, the cast bound passenger train coukl not pass, so the Harrison branch train went up to Farwell and the passengers* were transferred thereto, which took them to Saginaw. "Peggy," or No. 43, happened to be at Clare that morning and she took the place of the Harrison branch train. The accident caused a great deal of inconvenience to many who were attending circuit court at Harrison, Wilson, of Harrison, clwigeii cars at Clare Monday, on his way to Greenville. Ho will probably attend the inauguration at Lansing before retiming home. There will he <-. meeting of the Uniform Rnnk, Knights of Pythias, at the armory neit Tuesday evening. Business of importance is to be transacted and Capt. Clark requests a full attendance, Jo!mA?xsmith purchased of George Buckberrotigh this week a farm in Sheridan township, lying one mile north and one mile east of Pratt's corners, comprising a fraction over 02 acres; consld' eratlon, §1000 cash. Rev. Floyd C. Field, of Dayton, Ohio, who occupied the pulpit in the Congregational church last Sunday, has been engaged as pastor of that church for one year. Mr. Floyd will move his family to Clare in the near future. ' The occupants of the opera house block had a bad scare yosterdaj', if not a narrow escape from more serious results. The steam heating apparatus got out of ordor, and ended in the man-head beingblown out. l$o serious damages however. Wm. L. Stevens, of Chicago, arrivod in Clare Monday morning to spend a few days'visit with bis parents and many friends here. "Will" is doing a good business at the dental work in Chicago, having gone thereto about four years ago, Will is a genial, good hearted fellow and here's wishing him a bright and prosperous future. We have heard the question asked several times of late, "Why is not there a literary society organized in Clare?"' This is something that we should have by all odds. There are plenty of young people in Clare who would take active parts, but some one is wanted to start the bill rolling. Those interested in literary work should not let this matter be delayed. The Detroit Journal Year Book for 1891, just issued, is indeed a gem of art. The coyer is of rich blue and gold, beautiful in design, the engravings of state institutions and public men are exquisite, the latter including members of the ^ supreme court, leading G, A. R. and other society officers, etc. All the leading topics are clearly and concisely treated in alphabetical order, besides the full 1890 census and complete election and other statistics. The book is handsomely printed on plate paper, has 150 pages, and no home is complete without a copy. Every subscriber to the Detroit journal gets one, free of charge. The price for extra copies is 25 cts., by mail 30 cts. Send 30 cents in two cent stamps Dr. Shaw, of Calkinsville, was In the yillage last evening. A. J, Doherty was in Detroit Tuesday and Wednesday on business. Welch has just received one barrel of Molaga grapes, oranges and lemons. When yon want photographs go to E, II. DeYogt's. His work is the finest. The installation of oilleers of the I. O. O.F. lodge will take place next Monday night. Fresh home made bread, pies and cakes for safe* at, Baker's restaurant. Cakes baked'to order. Mrs. II. N. McKfrihoii and son Charley, of Sheridan township, departed for Ontario Monday morning. The painters expect to finish their work on the interior of the new opera house by tomorrow night. PliiI Corey, the shingle mill man of near Harrison, was in Clare a couple ol days this week on business. Colin McDonald was down from But- tuan, Glat^yfn county, and visited with his broth.% John McDonald, oyer Sunday. -0"' After this week tire Toledo, Ann Arbor ifcjfoifth Michigan railroad company will discontinue the sale of week end tickets. Mrs. George Mix returned to her home atOwotso theflrptof the week, having spent Jfcw Years with her sister, Mrs. Win. Hicks, in Clare, 0. J. Richardson, ex-postmaster at Harrison, was in Clare Monday afternoon for a few hours, having been up to Reed City on business, Mrs. Jacob Mason's condition .remains apparently unchanged this week, though a slight improvement is noticeable if anything. She is very low. Geoige Wilson, who is working in a shingle mill at Avondale, Osceola county, yisited with his brothers-in-law, Hiram and Thomas Sutton, north of Clare, over Sunday. Rev. M, D. Rogers returned to his home at Shepherd yesterday, having been in Sheridan township during the week conducting revival meetings at the Bradley school house. ClarkMabie. the Meredith merchant and shingle mill man, changed cars here Monday on his way to Flint on business- Clsirk is pushing the shlugle mill, bnsi- ,-v""J»iL their installation ceremonies at their meeting last Wednesday night on nc* count of other business. They expect to do the business next Wednesday evening. D. E. Alward, who hashcen interested In suite afl'airs under republican rule for the past Couple of years at the capita) city, arrived in Clare yesterday from Lansing for a fdw days' visit with old friends here. C. II. Sutherland and R. Muscott were at Lansing Tuesday and Wednesday witnessing the ceremonies that for many years their eyes have longed to look upon, and 'tis needless io say that the proceedings afforded them one of the greatest pleasures of life. A petition was circulated the lirst of the week among the merchants of the village which was signed by a large number of them, agreeing to close their stores at S o'clock. Drug stores, meat markets, hotels and saloon3 are about the only places that remain open now after that time. Mr. and Mrs. George Buckberrongh, of Lake Odessa, visited in Clare over Sunday, guests of the latter's sister, Mrs. Geo. B. Whitslde. Mr. Buckberrongh has been making his headquarters for some time at MoNorton, Wis., at which place he is head engineer in a large saw and planing mill, and is contemplating moving his family there. A good old-fashioned mother, while looking at the many new and pretty things for ladies' wear, displayed in Kirkbridc's dry goods store, last Saturday, remarked: "In my days the girls wore one-buttoned gloves, and dresses buttoned up to the neck. Now they wear one-lmttoned dresses, and gloves buttoned up to the neck. And the cry is, 'more buttons.' Last week the DemOckat-Puess contained an item to the ell'ect that Wm. E. Currie had sold his farm in Vernon township to Frank C. Vorhees, of Clinton county; that the farm comprised a section of land, or 040 acres, and that the price per acre was $9.37>£t or an aggregate ot §0000, Mr. Currie received §6000 for the place, but it contained only one- half section, or 320 acres, which would make the price per acre just double the above amount, or $18.75. This is a large increase in the value of the property since purchased by Mr. Currie, yet Mr. Vorhees obtained a very valuable property and at a nominal figure, Wo also mentionod that Mr. Currie intended to locate elsewhere with his family. This he denies intoto, saying that this country is plenty good enough for him and that he will remain in Clare, He has rented to the Detroit Journal, Detroit, Mich., Thomas Presley's house on east oth street and receive a copy of ttys valuable work and will move therein in about a week by return mall. lor ten days. Renewals of subscriptions for the year 1891'are coming in rapidly. James Boyd has been at Frost a greater part of the week scaling logs. E. G. Welch was at ilatton Tuesday collecting for the Democuat-Press, DeVogt's ground floor gallery is the place to go for good photographs.' Sabe? The owner of a pocket memorandum book can obtain same by calling at this office. It is expected that Doherty's electrie light plant will be In running order t*y tomorrow night. Henry Holbrook returned Monday morning after a three or four days' visit with his wife at Baldwin. .;#* Capt. Will Foster writes the Demos- Ciut-Pbkss from Ashtabule Harbor, Ohio, renewing his subscription f.>r the year 1890. The .first load of brick for the new Hotel Calkins was delivered cm the ground yesterday. Begins to look like business. Justice Charles Bigiey tried his ihv«t law suit last Saturday. Josh Miser sued n man named Merrill, obtaining a judgement for something like §45. 'Tls said tim{ Charley presided with great dignity. Boge is out with a now ady, this week notingijomo big bargains in boots and ami shoes for .the next few days. Anyone in need of anything in the line of foot wear should not fail to examine hia prices before purchasing. Rev. Kaechele, of North Bradley, occupied the pulpit tu the Lutheran church in this yillage last Sunday. He departed this week for the southern part of the state and will be married next Tuesday atLeightou to Miss Emma T'hale. Mr, and Mi*. Kaechele will move to Clare, and the reverend gentleman will make tiiis his Held of labor. Circuit court adjourned yesterday noon, caused by several of the eases not being in readiness, but will convene again next Monday. Only one case was disposed of this week, being that ot the People vs. James Donohoe, who was charged with assault with intent to murder. Donahoe was convicted of assault aim sentenced to 00 days at Ionia, whither Sheritt'Doty escorted him on Tuesday, Mmjy years pntctice havegiven O. A, . ,TJ| 17al1n^tgTSnn^''c^^u«u^palsecf~ fetfeeess in obtaining patents for all classes of in* ventions. They make a specialty of rejected cases, and have secured allowance of many patents that had been previously rejected. Their advertisement itt another column will be of interest to in- ventorc, patentees, manufacturers, and all who have to do with patents. The Scientific American, aivertised in another column under the head of ••Patents," certainly needs no one to "sing it praises,'* but, notwithstanding this fact, we feel it an absolute duty to the general public, at least that portion of it which has never seen or heard of the paper, to tell them that such a "one is published" at the low price of §3 s year, and that its true value cannot be overestimated. It stands at the head of all publications of its kind. A Hie of the paper may be seen nt this office and subscriptions received. There i3 a talk among railroad men that the Toledo, Ann Arbor & Noith Michigan company will soon make Mt, Pleasant the division of the road instead of Clare. Should the change be made the trainmen will be largely responsible for the result, as they have long been complaining of the poor hotel accomodations / at this place, Excepting Mt. Pleasant' people, the trainmen will bo the onw ones to be benefited by the change, as ft will be rather a disadvantage to the traveling public, and 'tis said will be the means of losing considerable traffic to the T. &*A. company. There is one satisfaction, however, in the knowledge that it will not be ciany months 'ere the new Calkins' House will be towering skyward, and then the tfy of ''Clare'3 poor hotel accommodations" will he at ac end. A good joke is related at the expense of a modest young newspaper man, which is going the rounds simply credited to an exchange. It is to the effect that the young man went out to report a party the other evening where the home had recently been blessed with a new baby. Accompanied by his best girl, he met the hostess at the door, and after the usual salutations asked after the baby's health. The lady, who was quite deaf and suffering from the grippe, thought he was asking about her cold, and told him that she usually had one every winter but this was the worst one she had ever had; it kept her awake at nights a good deal at first, and confined, her to her bed. Then noticing that the scribe was getting pale and neryous she said she could tell by his looks that he was going to haye one just like hers, and asked him to go and lie down. The paper came out as usual the next week, but the local editor has quit enquiring about babies. /
Object Description
Title | 1891-01-09; Clare Democrat and Press |
Date | 1891-01-09 |
Publisher | M.D. Eaton |
Description | Friday, January 9, 1891 issue of a Clare, Michigan newspaper. Published weekly. Also known as the Democrat Press. Began publication in 1889, with the merger of The Clare Press and the Clare Democrat. In 1894, merged with The Clare Sentinel (1892) to form the Clare Sentinel and the Democrat-Press. |
Subject/Keywords | Clare (Mich.) - Newspapers; Clare County (Mich.) - Newspapers; |
Copyright Permission | This material is in the public domain. |
Type | Newspaper |
Format | JPG/JPEG |
Language | English |


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For all of you who knew my husband, Sam Talley, he has passed away and has gone to Heaven to be with our Lord. He sure liked being a member of this wonderful group of people and has had many pleasant moments writing history for this group. Just wanted you to know the reason you have not heard from him lately. Sincerely, Kathleen Talley
Kathleen, so sorry for your loss..My deepest condolences to you and your family..Sam was a special person, who loved and shared history..He will be greatly missed on True West..
I always looked forward to his posts and enthusiasm and really enjoyed sharing chat with him.All my best to you and yours .
I'm so sorry, Kathleen. I looked forward to reading Sam's posts on history.
I am sorry to hear of your loss.....no one can tell you how you feel at this time....lots of folks will sympathize which is most proper...I will tell you that also.......I lost my wife of some 44 years just two weeks ago this coming Monday.....my life has changed for the rest of my days.......we will keep you in our prayers......my Uncle William Granville Taylor or Uncle Billy as we all called him had a connection to the Talley family as his mother was a Tally......I realize there are many Talley's in this old world.....but maybe a distant connection.......
So sorry to hear . . . . . .
Thank you so much for your kind comments regarding my husband.
To: Lethalrancher, I am very sorry for your loss also. Sam and I would have been married 47 yrs come this Aug. We were high school sweethearts having known each since I was 16 and Sam 17.But went to rival high schools with Sam as a football star for his school. LOL Sincerely, Kathleen
Sorry for your loss. You should take comfort in the fact that one of your husband's last posts involved the beauty and mystery of the heavens.
My condolences. I didn't really know Sam, except through his writings here, but he seemed like a really nice guy with great love and enthusiasm for the West and its true history, and a genuine and ongoing thirst for additional knowledge about the subject. His sincere questions and comments led to some very enlightening and interesting discussions at this site.
So sorry Kathleen our thoughts are with you and God Bless
Ms. Talley, thank you so much for letting us know about Sam. He will be greatly missed here. My deepest sympathy to you and your family. -Mel
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