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Police Identify Victim, Officer Involved in Dundalk Shooting
Joshua Michael Lopez, 22, of La Marque, Texas, died when he was shot by Baltimore County Police Department Officer Heins of the North Point Precinct.
Baltimore County police Monday identified a man shot and killed by police in Dundalk Sunday morning, as well the officer who fired his weapon.
The man, identified as Joshua Michael Lopez, 22, of La Marque, Texas, was pronounced dead at the scene.
The officer who fired his weapon is Officer Heins, an 11-and-a-half-year veteran of the department, currently assigned to North Point Precinct 12.
Baltimore County police do not release the first names of officers involved in shooting incidents.
Officers were dispatched to the intersection of Seaside Road and Dunmanway, near the entrance of Merritt Point Park, early Sunday morning, to check on reports on several people with backpacks walking toward the trailer park, according to police spokeswoman Cpl. Cathy Batton.
Officers found one man matching that description in the 7800 block of Seaside Road.
While the officers were interviewing the man, he became combative. One officer and the suspect began to struggle on the ground, according to a statement from Batton.
The officer felt the suspect pulling on his gun belt, attempting to take his weapon. A second officer used pepper spray on the suspect, but that did not stop him.
"Fearing for their safety, the second officer then discharged his weapon, striking the subject," according to the statement.
Lopez was allegedly carrying stolen property, according to police.
Heins, who has not been involved in any previous police-involved shootings, has been placed on routine administrative leave, according to the statement.
12:14 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I wouldn't call the deceased a victim, I would call the officer who protected his fellow officer a hero and the guy who tried to take the gun a fool. The officer did his job well and if you have nothing to hide, then you cooperate with the police.
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
We'll find out if he REALLY tried to take the officers gun... My brother will get justice. Baltimore police are just trigger happy. You might want to look up how many shooting they have in like the last month. They just can't keep their hands off their stupid guns. I wonder how they go home at night and tell their wifes and family that they had a good day after killing someone... geeee... i really wonder.
PS I hate this cruel cruel world....
Nick Haas
7:16 am on Monday, October 15, 2012
SEE what you YANKEES fail to realize is you sound retarded. I know how cops are and they murdered my friend. The last time he was down and I got to see him guess what we did we to guitar center and BOUGHT strings because that's what josh does BUYS things he had 8 grand he never said hey Haas lets go break into cars of course fucking not because he wasn't like that one thing is for sure this is one sided for sure and "ca" the comment about his blood being left there I hope he haunts the shit out of you for the rest of your life...
James C
12:14 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
They fail to mention Joshua was in the military serving his country, and was planning to get married in a couple of months. Would that make the officers look bad? They don't fail to mention the officer and his time on the force. What happened to all the other suspects? Doesn't sound right to me. I pray there is a serious investigation here, and that some witnesses step forward to tell the true story, because I doubt this is it.
Susan Pillsbury
8:41 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
James, How do you know Josh? I'm his Aunt, and everything I know about Josh tells me there is NO WAY he was involved in anything 'suspicious'. He was a good kid...respectful, polite, Godly.
Nicole Vega Miles
10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I hope they clear his name! He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, May you rest in Peace my love: I am Toshas BFF of 22 years and have known Josh since he was 6 months old, I know what kind of person he was and I know WHERE He came from and he didnt deserve to DIE!
2:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Why do we have video of this "military man" trying to break into our cars out front of our house on the surveillance system??? HMM??? The police have the video now..Video is all the witnesses they need at this point including fingerprints on the car doors that he was attempting to break into.. For real, anyone walking to the end of that road there is up to no good. We see them EVERY day. Tell the true story. Well there it is..
James C
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Susan I'm one of his cousins. And 'ca' whoever you are your story is as false as this report.
Mrs Smith
7:14 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
This ENTIRE ARTICLE SICKENS ME`````` I just cannot believe that ANYONE is allowed to comment on this article at all. This family has lost a member, if he is guilty, let the justice system do their job, if he is not , let him rest in peace and leave his family to grieve without all of the harsh comments. TOO MUCH is allowed to be said on here, to slander someones family, to assume the police were in the right,there HAS to be PROOF, he may have been guilty, if so, he is gone now, and if HE WAS NOT guilty, there needs to be a dam PUBLIC apology to this mans family, and if he was guilty, the Officer may or may not have had the right to take fire. I say, finish the investigation, stop all of the slander, and this PATCH COMMENT AREA needs to be controlled```````````
7:50 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
Mrs. Smith, I will not make any kind of apology. If the media reports that the man was caught carrying stolen goods and he struggled with the officers and there is video, I will comment based on that information as it is presented to me. Whether or not this information becomes fact does not give you the right to demand that comment be stopped any more than we have to stop talking about it. If the information changes and is reported on, then new comments pertaining to that information will be made. That's life.
James C
9:38 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
@perry...what you fail to realize is people are upset at ignorant uninformed comments that people such as yourself make...you take this article as fact without taking into consideration that it's biased and doesn't convey the whole story. So it's only natural for people to take offense to your unintelligible comments which do nothing but demean and show a lack sound reasoning.
Buzz Beeler
12:14 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
According to community leaders they were seen checking cars to see if they were unlocked.
The officers followed their training by increasing the level of force to stop threat, permanently.
2:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Buzz, you are correct. There is actually video surveillance from one of the houses. Sure enough, it shows them tinkering with the cars in the driveway trying to get into them..
7:05 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Where is the "they"? We have heard of one person getting questioned and killed...There is no doubt that those who know Josh find this impossible to believe, that is based on how he lived his life for 22 years, are all these people wrong? Can we leave open an even small window that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time? Can you give the benefit of the doubt that even if there are people on the surveillance video that maybe it wasn't Josh? What is wrong with wanting answers of why a LIFE was taken?
11:38 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Will you please inform or update on any reports of other suspects? This entire time I have heard "they" or "them" as far as suspicious people and being caught on video, however I see nor hear anything about the others.
Al Day
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
tony, no, if he was an illegal alien they would have just let him break the law and done nothing.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Don't be an idiot, a young man is dead. The least we can do is wait for the investigation results.
2:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
So with a name like Tony I guess that makes you a wop right. how ignorant you people in have no idea what y'all are talking about there are 3 article on what happen and no one is telling the truth but truth will be told.
Tony Solesky
12:14 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I can't think of one good reason to steal. If you are hungry you can beg up the money , use your independenc card or stop by a church for food and shelter. Can't think of one good reason or even need to steal in this country.
Concerened citizen
12:53 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I agree with James. This is not like josh. Something else happened that isnt being said. I hope to God justice is served.
Susan Pillsbury
8:41 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
How do you know Josh? He was my nephew. I agree that this was NOT like Josh at all. He's the last person that I would think that this would happen to.
moe green
6:29 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
justice was served. the bad guy is dead, the police went home to their loved ones and the court systemj was prevented from placing yet another bum on probation.
Concerned Citizen
3:29 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
He was a friend, a great friend, biggest heart I know. These reports are wrong. Has no one ever hear of dirty cops? This is one of those cases, Baltimore pd is covering their butt bc that is what they are good at, this isn't the first undeserved death caused by Baltimore pd, and won't be the last. Parent watch your kids. Kids watch your friends. This is WRONG. Moe green, YOU are wrong.
1:42 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Please remember that Josh has a family and a fiance and we are grieving. We are real people who have real feelings. Please be considerate.
1:42 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
If Joshua was infact in the military, an extensive investigation will be done by the military. This whole story will be interesting to follow. Patch, please follow any updates on this one.
10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Chillin, is this an automatic response for a case like this or does something need to be filed? Anyone reading this know the status of all the right entities investigating? Please help this family out as they grieve and do not assume that all matters are in order. Let us all speak up and follow up on anything or everything that needs to be done.
6:47 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Chillin dont worry your pretty lil head he was indeed in the US Navy make no mistake about it fool.
2:52 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Theresa, nowhere in the news report does it state that Mr. Lopez is in the Navy, so that is why I used the word "if". My comment was not meant to pass judgment on Mr. Lopez or the police officer. I had to use "if", because the revelation of his military service came from a non-verified source (James C). So calling me a fool is unjust. The many comments about Mr. Lopez's enlistment now convinces me that he probably is in the service. I hope a complete investigation takes place to reveal the truth as to what took place for Mr. Lopez's sake and the police officers' sake. I suggest that you and Mr. Lopez's other friends and supporters wait for the investigation results too. You are way too emotional and biased right now to continue commenting. You have resorted to calling people names. I hope you can accept whatever the investigation's results produce, whether it falls within your assumptions or not.
5:35 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Chillin,We are emotional & bruised, every time someone discredits his name it hurts more and more please just stop just stop. but dont you or anyone tell us not to comment we have every right. as for the name calling that did not start with me that my friend started with the very first comment
Gomer Pyle
1:42 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
When did serving your country automatically make one a Saint? Because he served his country does that mean he would never commit a crime? Does serving his country grant him immunity from law enforcement? He assualted police and was allegedly carring stolen property. This is not the kind of person we need defending our country. I served my country and I encountered a few knuckleheads that commit crimes and who were a disgrace to the uniform. Unfortunately criminals and others who are unfit for duty do enter the ranks of our Armed Forces. This guy sounds like he would have eventually served time in the stockade or been given a dishonorable discharge.
Al Day
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
James C, it matters not if he was a saint from planet Zenia if he was breaking the law and got himself into trouble. It's on him and not the police.
Al Day
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
gomer, I can attest to your view. While in the military I was charged with guarding many a man who was enlisted but broke the law. We used .45 cal pistols to walk them between locations to avoid any trouble with orders to shoot to kill. If you are dumb enough to try and take a gun off a legally charged officer of the law, then it is on you. End of story. NO investigation is needed. And no he wouldn't have made a good brother in law for someone's sister, etc.... If he was bad he was bad. I guess the person who wrote about his sister's marriage plans would prefer to have to see her husband once a week behind bars. The Lord gave us the law so we could live peacable amongst each other. Lack thereof requires law enforcement. Nuff said.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Answer this one when does making you a cop making you always a Saint?
2:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
I am uncertain as to where or who you served with, but sounds to me like you did not learn much and may have been identified as one that could not be trusted. Be careful not to Judge. You also appear to be one of those that are ready to convict with only one side of the story. SHAME on you. I knew Josh and I know his family. He comes from OUTSTANDING roots and from a very strong and close christian family. While many details to this story are yet to come, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for the officer to use DEADLY Force on this young man. If I had to guess, I would guess that the officer did something to cause Josh to become defensive, otherwise, I just don't see it. IT just does not SMELL right to me. The truth will come out and when it does, I am sure that those that made ignorant and stupid comments will in fact feel shamed by them. At least I hope so. To Tosha and Mike, please know I am extending my heartfelt sympathy to you both and the family. I am hurting for you but can not even begin to imagine the pain you are feeling. Please know you all are in my prayers and constant thoughts. This should not have happened!!!
James C
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@all day....perhaps you had problems reading my original comments. This story is one sided, and does not cover the full story. There is a lot more to this.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Interesting to follow!? My best friend is DEAD! There is no way we know what happen we weren't there. All i know is that i served with Josh for my whole military career. I've know him for a long time, and the only way that he would even think about doing something like this article is saying is for one of those police officers provoked, pushed him, or did something to get him to be "combative". i agree with James something isn't being said. Oh yes Buzz read the article again it says that the police said he FELT like Josh was grabbing his firearm
Susan Pillsbury
8:41 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
What you said about how Josh would never even think of doing something like this is right on the money. I'm Josh's Aunt, and when my brother called me to tell me what happened, my first thought was that something must have been said/done to Josh to make him respond the way he did...if he really became "combative". He was a very gently, goofy soul. Very respectful, polite, courteous, careful of other's feelings. He was respectful of authority...something that is lacking in many of the current generation. But Josh had it in spades...that's why this story sounds so incredibly "suspicious" to me. The whole story has not been told, I am certain of that!!
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Serving your country doesn't make you a saint anymore than serving your country as a police officer makes you honorable. Because a man serves the community does that make him immune from accountability. Unfortunately, there are only 3 men that know what occurred, Josh is dead, no way to defend himself. If he was guilty of a crime than there should have been a consequence. His family, his friends, and his ships mates can attest to Josh's character and none of this makes sense. If anyone passes judgment on an article or any media it doesn't mean it is truth. It is a fact only until proven otherwise. For instance, this states on "MONDAY", well all of us know this is FALSE as he was killed Sunday. Does that change the outcome? No, however, once the investigation continues it makes me wonder how many other "facts" will be brought to light. This has broadened my eyes to what society believes. Quick to judge. Ready to blame. How can you base an opinion of a person's life from a few lines on the internet? The man we all knew would have eventually served out his time for his country, married the woman he loves and made lots of pretty babies that serve the Lord, and did his family and country proud. Joshua Michael Lopez, was living out the legacy, and making choices to carry out not only a good name but build very good family. Tragic loss and a story I pray has closure. God bless them all, and Lord Jesus I pray your covering over this family. And may TRUTH not "facts" be revealed.
Alex Lepro
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I think people who didn't know him shouldn't make judgements about him or his character. I served with him on the same ship, we did a deployment together, and he was not a criminal. Speaking from personal experience with him, I doubt he tried to take the gun. Lopez wouldn't do that.
Let the family grieve and stop abusing his character with baseless accusations.
"Gomer" -He was not a knucklehead. He always had a laugh to share and wasn't afraid to do a hard days work.
Buzz- Don't judge him. You didn't know him, and you don't know the story of what happened because it hasn't been investigated yet. How dumb will you feel if it turns out it was a case of mistakes made by officers ending in an innocent man being shot?
Know what they do teach us in the military? The deadly force triangle. Look it up. I doubt Josh had capability, opportunity, and intent if he was on the ground in a struggle with another officer over him. Why didn't the officer use a baton to restrain him? Or cuffs? Or a mock hold? A bullet to the head is not defense in any sense. It's murder.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I see that this is not the article that states Monday was the day of this incident. As a family friend I have found myself wanting answers for this and confess I have read a lot. Some of the stories already have incorrect information. My error is saying that this article had false information. I suppose it is just further proof that we see what we want to see, we hear what we want to hear. Nothing will change that Josh is gone. To us left behind there is this pull to know what happened. Nothing points to what occurred. It scares me for all young men with backpacks. We do live in a country that freedoms are protected, Josh being one of them. I have thought of sooooo many scenarios. I have heard innocent until proven guilty my whole life. I have equally heard guilt by association. We all have choices in life, and it seems to me that up until possibly minutes before Josh took his last breath his were the right ones. I hate that I have images in my heart and mind that he may have been afraid for his life. I wonder if they did indeed fall on the ground if he panicked. None of us know. To his family and friends we all have memories of a silly boy who was still a playful man. I will not dishonor them by putting private things online. We are all grieving in different ways and searching for answers that quite simply may never come. Decisions based on emotions aren't always the correct ones. My heart is troubled, it aches for the friends I regard as family & I leave my mark to say so.
10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
When I spoke of decisions based on emotions aren't always the correct ones I am referring to myself as I am responding online to a story that is too tragic. My mind is not clear, it is fogged with ache for his family and it has hit too close to home as my son grew up with Josh. He leaves October 15th to serve our country as a Marine, and yet I have more fear from him possibly being "investigated" as a multicultural young man, than in combat. How many times are we going to hear these stories? It's never ending.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
tony your assumption of a man with a mexican last name being an illegal alien is pathetic for one, not even knowing the person.. I didnt know the man but I did know his father, and his dad was always a respectful friendly man, to judge one an illegal ailen without knowing the facts says more about you then anything!!!
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Buzz Beeler you are nothing more then a lethargic devil you know nothing about josh you know nothing about the situation it what actually happened all you know is what this false propoganda proclaims which may I add completely blastfimous josh was my best friend my brother my shipmate and more importantly a VICTIM of a CRIME committed by the police and to say that they are the hero when all they do is drive around for eight hours a day and give people bs traffic tickets to fill a standard quota. And then you have josh and the rest of the ship defending YOUR MY AND EVERYONE ELSES COUNTRY working hard sweating every single day of the week going on multiple nine month deployments away from home being a TRUE HERO but no because he was a "suspicious" person commiting crime or not just out of the blue decided to be "combative" with police? when we will say hypothetically he was stealing property if which was the case he would have ran josh was the fastest runner on our ship and that I had ever seen the most in shape man I ever met so why stand and bang when he could easily out run the police now ok
Buzz Beeler
2:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Sean, I get it now. Josh was your best friend so he is innocent despite he was witnessed by community leaders that I spoke to that said that at about 2 am he was trying car doors.
And according to the press reports he had stolen property on him, "Lopez was allegedly carrying stolen property, according to police"
For someone that did not know many people he sure has a lot of friends on Patch who have already tried this case and found the police guilty. Who are you to say this is a "false propaganda". Were you there. Do you know what was inside his head during that time. You said he would have ran.
What is your background in law enforcement? Do you know how many cops are killed with their own weapons on routine stops?
I spoke to the witnesses who called the police and found the suspects. How can he run when he is on the ground wrestling with a police officer. And why was he pepper sprayed?
What' a man about to be married doing out at 2 am checking car doors.
It's the same story all the time - blame the police - everyone else is innocent.
You think that cop went to work that night thinking he was going to have to use deadly force? Do you think that won't affect him the rest of his life.
Why didn't Josh just answer the cops questions and it would have been over. I've been stopped numerous times and never had a problem.
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Am I the only one that wonders why someone would drive 4 hours to check if car doors were open? Does that even make sense? I'm not a thief but my gosh there is no logical thought in that. This is an unreasonable theory. Buzz are you speculating that Josh was on the video? Or are you saying there are suspects on the surveillance? Just trying to understand if you are saying the Josh was identified or fit the physical description? My understanding was there were more than one person acting suspiciously. I sure would like to hear if anyone has knowledge of these suspects. I am so puzzled by all of this.
James C
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@buzz beeper...you have no idea what you're talking about. So we should just assume everything in this story is correct? Get a clue. There is a grieving family right now looking for answers, not some biased article written about a supposed criminal from Texas stopped by the brave local law man. Perhaps the cop overreacted and used excessive force? Maybe they had the wrong person? Maybe he's just a jerk who was looking for someone to screw with and ended up killing an innocent young man. I'll be glad when the entire truth comes out.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
this is so strange because he was in the military and he was armed everyday at work. so he knew about gun safety. buzz you dont have your facts right he had driving a friend home from Virginia that night in that very community and was on his way home because he was never late to work. the police say a black man and got jumpy they got rough with him. both officers admit beating and pepper spraying him. he was only five foot seven and one hundred and fifty pounds. only the officers will ever kknow what happened but if i was in his situation and two cops were beating and pepper sparying me. in my head i would think there going to kill me, i need to get the gun and stop them hitting me. maybe thats what happend maybe they beat him to death then shot him. only they know. as for stolen property. he had never had any misconduct charges or insubordinate charges brought against him. i think they killed the wrong black kid. as the case unfolds they will see that he had reason to be there at that time. and was put in a situation were he had to fight for his life. i hope the cops get murder
charges because there was no stolen property on him for sure. and the military investigator are going to fry them with whatever they planted.
6:47 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
5'-07'' 150LBS? Ok.....? And this makes him a small man? Petite woman kill police officers everyday.
James C
9:08 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@william...petite woman kill officers everyday? Are you that ignorant? How many of these 'petite' women remove guns from a holster and kill the officer? Don't make absurd comments, it only makes you look foolish.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I can see how the internet can draw in that is for sure. It leaves way too much room for speculation and assumptions. I want to clarify that the choices I referred to that Josh made in his last moments cannot be replayed. Life doesn't have do overs. BUT by no means am I inferring that he did anything wrong. Just a generalization, like the same way you would go down a different road if you knew you would get an a traffic jam. Hindsight. I can only pray and for those making judgments from a few lines on the internet as if this was justified.... I hope your sons and husbands are never at the wrong place at the wrong time, and encounter police officers that take the life of your loved ones. My eyes are forced open to the hate that is out there. The venom of self-righteousness. The false authority of those who are speaking their minds. Let me end by saying, Josh served for the liberties of our country. Ironic that you can thank him for your freedom of speech, some of those choosing to judge, condemn and celebrate the police's actions. What if Josh was shot after he was beat to death? Would that change your mind? Judge not lest ye be judged.
5:51 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Another point on how this is ridiculous the report says he was with a group of people heading tward a trailer park... Josh is stationed in Norfolk Virginia he has never been to Maryland before and the only reason he was there was to take a close friend to see his family who lived near the area for the weekend josh knew no one from that area he has no connection to anyone from Maryland other then our shipmate that he took there who's friends was with him at his mothers house so no it wasn't our shipmates friends he was with then who could it of been the fact of the matter is this is a complete farce he wasn't with any group of people if he was why was those people not asked questions or interrogated and searched and if they were why were we not told in ANY report on the internet I'll tell you why right now there was no one else with him or associated with him at the time so my point being if the police would lie about him being with a group of "suspicious" un named un identified un searched group of people what's to say they wouldn't lie about him reaching for his weapon or even being combative in the first place. And yes sir I am investigating this I will see both those "Heros" stripped of there badges and charged with the murder of JOSHUA MICHAEL LOPEZ
Nicole Vega Miles
10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Sean that is the TRUTH! MAY your investigation clear his precious soul! THEY WERE WRONG!
James C
9:16 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
@sean...I pray your efforts are met with success. Keep this on the front page and push to get to the truth!
8:41 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I thank all of you for defending Josh.... And dear al day, he was the best man I knew. He was going to be a great father and husband. He was an outstanding man with no criminal record. He was caring and loving... Opened doors for me, treated me like a woman should be treated... More of a man than most of y'all will ever be. Josh was never insubordinate. If only y'all knew him, you would not being saying these horrible things. @sean, can you please contact me.
11:51 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
You are quite welcome, Melissa. My love for you, your family, and the Lopez family is the reason I can stand up and read this yuck and still seek some answers. It's the least I can do to honor Josh.
10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
thank you Sean for your words...it's so good to see support in JOSHUA MICHAEL LOPEZ'S honor...I pray that if there are any witnesses that they come forward...nothing will bring Josh back but there are too many unanswered questions...someone besides these officers must have heard or seen something....where are these people that called about activity in their neighborhood? if I called the police about something suspicious going on you can better believe I'm going to follow up by peering around and waiting to see what the police will do, if I felt threatened in my home or had fear enough to call the police I wouldn't be going to sleep waiting to see what may happen, I'd be on alert, paying attention, so if there were reports of suspicious activity perhaps someone saw something when police were in the neighborhood, or certainly when they heard shots fired....that is why I pray that someone that hears this story donates their services to find out the truth, we as lay people have little power. Perhaps with all the lives Josh touched, as the story gets out, his shipmates may know an attorney who can assist in this process, both criminal and civil suits.
10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Joshua was still in the service, was a Christian, was a good man, he was getting married in a few months. He was in Maryland talking his shipmate to see his sister for her birthday. He was out at 2am because he was on his way back to Norfolk because he was never late for work. This should not to swept under the carpet quietly. There is something totally wrong with what these cops did. Josh was 5'5-7" and weighed less than 150lbs. He was an honorable sailor, trained to listen to authority he would not have charged this cop, would not have reached for a gun, and was not a thief, he was returning from a birthday party. Who can investigate this honestly? Who will speak for this innocent victim? A huge waste of life, and to add insult to injury, the cops sound like they are trying to make it Josh's fault. Don't cop cars have video tape on the dash? What does the replay say about the confrontation? We need to see the evidence.
10:20 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
I really cannot believe some of the things that are being said here. None of us commenting were there to know what happened. 3 people do know... Josh.. And he can't tell us anything. The officer... If he tells the truth. And God our savior. Justice WILL be served. Remember your faith. Let this family and his friends Grieve with a little dignity. You cannot judge anyone by there military status or there law enforcement background. Sometimes those are the ones that cannot be trusted. As far as Joshua no matter what circumstance if the officer wasn't a vagina he could've restrained him without killing him. If Josh did something they could have let the courts decide. Too late for that. The officer will have to deal with his guilt if he is in fact guilty. The story does sound strange and I'm sure it's not all out yet. Give it time. Karma is a booger too!
11:17 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
Lopez was my friend and a great shipmate to all of those that have made acrimonious assualts to his personal character SHAME ON YOU! Lopez received extensive armed watch training and DEFINITELY knew his deadly force continuum. I find it very suspicious that he would have put himself in a position that juistifiable deadly force would have been an option. To Josh's friends and family I know its been tough we owe it to Josh to make sure the truth comes out.
11:17 pm on Tuesday, September 25, 2012
The FBI needs to investigate. They did in this case.
2:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Melisa my numbers 503 902 2359 please txt me today and ill give ya a call when I can oh and to anyone else who wants to question josh's innocence there's my number I WILL NOT allow my brothers rep go to s##t when all these people like gomer and buzz Beeler etc wanna put my brother on blast and go public lets go public I challenge all of you ignorant brainwashed fools to post any and all evidence or even gimme a call you got my number I will defend him until a "hero" put the gun up to my head after pepper spraying and hitting me in the head with a Baton and pull that trigger then I'll shut up but till then I will make sure josh can rest in peace anyone disagree or don't think he disagreed hit me up with a legit argument
Buzz Beeler
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
If he was a party was he drinking? According to one person there was video captured by neighbors which will answer a lot of questions. Why after making the statement you just did would anyone want to challenge you on the evidence. You've already made up your mind.
Objectivity does not seem to fit into your vocabulary. I only commented after you and your friends decided that he did nothing wrong and was just killed by the police before the investigation began, despite of the evidence we already know exists.
Remember the witnesses called me to described what they saw. You don't want us to judge your brother but you sure can judge the police quite quickly.
You want respect for your brother, but where is you respect for the other men and women that serve?
12:18 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012
I am only a citizen, without benefit of legal knowledge, but my understanding is, there isn't evidence until presented in a court of law. Anything reported in a newspaper or obtained by a neighbor should not imply guilt. Our country is set up with a system that hopefully finds the truth of a situation. This has never been the case when concerning Josh. There is more than us friends and family thinking they know the outcome of this event. People reading a few lines condemned Josh from the beginning, citing and declaring the existence of proof as if already convicted. Is that not being the judge and jury without a trial? And yet, that very same mentality is attacked when we inquire about what happened that fateful evening. Can you imagine what our country would be like if every person questioned, without benefit of justice, was sentenced or killed? Who would be left to debate on Patch? I honor the men and women who protect and serve and abide by the oath they take. I am finding it harder to believe that the system I respect was adhered to September 23rd, 2012 on the street near Merritt Point Park.
2:26 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Melissa my email is email@example.com gimme your num I'll hit you up I been trying to find you and his brother
6:47 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
What about the poor people who have to drive over the blood every day to get to their houses now? They didn't even clean his blood up! It's still there like a stain on the community
10:42 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Are you one of the POOR people that called the police? One with video? One that heard the shot? One that saw a young man fall to the concrete and take his last breath? Are you one that can testify that it was Josh? I am hearing "they/ them" but it is only HIM we are fixing to bury! Who are they/ them? I would do anything to remove the blood of our family member from your concrete. The fact that your departments are leaving it there like it is no big deal says a lot about who they are! HEARTLESS! Perhaps the next time one of you drive over him, you can say a prayer for the grieving family and friends.
Tanya George
6:47 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Josh's family lived across the street from me for the last few years and I spent a great deal of time seeing Josh and his family grow and learn. This is a Christian family who treat everyone with dignity and respect. The family is of mixed blood and have always talked to the children about the repurcussions this could bring their way. Now people are judging Josh based on the fact that he is a young 'black' man our late at night in an area where there was some trouble. He is also being judged because his last name is Lopez. Since Josh is in the military NCIS will investigate this. Hopefully, the attention to Josh's needless killing will allow us to look inside and know for a fact that we are all of mixed blood or heritage and we should judge the person we know - - not the color of his skin or his last name. Our President is of mixed blood also and even has a last name that gets questioned. Joshua Michael Lopez was a fine patriotic young man brought up in a loving family. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time and has paid with his life. He was a joy to know.
Buzz Beeler
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Tanya Why do you suggest an investigation by the NCIS. You have seemed to drawn a conclusion already.
12:42 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Buzz Beeler are you stupid or something I'm just asking because she just said I'll repeat for you HE IS IN THE MILITARY US NAVY did you get that one of their soldiers was killed civilian the question is why would they not.?
Tanya George
2:58 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
As Josh was in the Navy & one of their own was killed under questionable circumstances, would it not be appropriate for NCIS to investigate a bit? That is a question. I, like everyone else, would like to see the evidence against Josh & hear the full story, not bits & bobs. There are lots of questions on all sides.
Doesn't anyone consider other people feelings anymore. Are we all just robots with fingers on a keyboard & feel we can say anything we want to? The families involved in this did nothing themselves to cause this, they do not deserve to be hurt any further. In particular, I appreciate knowing that Josh's blood is still there for people to drive over.That is comforting & information I really needed to help make me more upset. Is it possible for someone, anyone, to go out there, wash his blood away, along with a prayer, & remove his life-blood from the street? Perhaps a church group? Why wait for the authorities to do something? We all need to stand up for each other & be respectful. Perhaps if we were respectful of each other this would never have happened.This respect extends to everyone we come into contact with - face-to-face or on this silly computer that allows us to privately hurt & insult others. Are we all bullies on some level?
None of us deserve this sort of treatment & certainly Josh does not deserve to be pre-judged. I await the investigation & I want to see the tapes. The challenge is to prove what happened that night.
7:05 pm on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
It's always a conspiracy. Always an "innocent" man. I'm not taking anyones side but I can say for a fact! Someone can be your bother, father, boyfriend, or grandfather and as much as you think you know them you don't! You don't know what goes through their mind when confronted with confortation. A cop and a military man Thats a lot of ego
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Thanks so much....as I grieve to know that someone is disgusted by sons blood staining your street....I haven't even buried my son....I pray for your peace tonight. To be relieved of the image of blood stains. I will be sure that we put that on the top of his four siblings prayer list also.....sleep well...grieving mother
Buzz Beeler
7:55 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Billie in your last comment you made reference to the blood at the crime scene and said you would do anything to clean up the blood.
Call this number and they can do it. It sounds like there are a lot of family and friends that might be willing to help with the expense.
The phone number is 1-888-533-6949.
This should have been done right after the incident was cleared and there is no excuse for the delay.
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
How fricken rude Ca... what if that was your family member. I dont think.you'd wanna see a comment like that.
Have respect for people damnit!
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
That blood was shed from a young man serving his county to protect your stupid ass... @Ca
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Cops are not any more believable than a dead "suspect" in a case like this. Cops will lie to protect their own. It is a human reaction. Simply sick.
ravyn Mathews
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I've known Josh since we were in the 5th grade. I honestly don't believe this but to the lady w| the camera outside her house...how do you know it was him.? clearly it was dark right.? I'm sure he's not all in the camera w| his face..inspecting it. are the clothes on the camera the same as the ones he was shot in.?? OFFICER, why couldn't you shoot him in his knee..shoulder..something.?? why did you "shoot to kill" and ALL of y'all talking down on him, w| his friends and family on here...God is not sleep and I find that VERY disrespectful and hurtful.
1:39 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Forgive me @Ca for my rude words. I was out of line. I wasn't raised to talk like that to anyone. Please forgive me. I was speaking out of anger. It's just hard to be all jolly and nice when your brother who was serving in the US Navy is just being talked down about by people who don't even know him. Just know that my mother reads this. No mother wants to see this about their child. Please have respect atleast.
James C
6:32 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Jessica...I understand why you would apologize, because of how you were raised, but 'Ca' deserves no apology from you. You deserve the apology considering his asinine and disrespectful comments.
5:38 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Wow . . . . I wouldn't have never seen this coming. I've worked with alot of people over the last 20yrs in the Navy and this guy was definitely "a good person". He was a very respectful, hard working sailor, who always seemed to be in a good mood. I'm sure he will be heavily missed by all his Navy Buddies. My condolences to the Lopez family and his Fiance and all his Friends.
Roland Garne
5:52 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Emotions can ride high in both sides. What we have at the moment is only 3 people involved. Two with the police, who can say what happened, if there are no witnesses. One, Josh, who has no say. What is best in this case is to obtain all security camera footage in the area. Quickly so as not to be tampered with. Is there a police dash camera? There was mentioning of a struggle, pepper spray. A medical examination be administered and not tampered with. It has come to my attention that the Navy wanted to do their own medical examination. The truth from what we know, needs to be obtained, equal representation of legal systems to the truth is administered correctly. Lets find the truth to this tragedy. God bless the soul of the loved Josh and God help the police officers to find their souls to speak the truth.
Buzz Beeler
8:42 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
The witnesses, video (if there is any) the toxicology report, physical evidence will reveal the truth.
This whole thread took a turn for the worse almost from the first comment when family and friends started right from the start to blame the police as if they shot him for no reason.
FIFA's comments are indicative and irresponsible of the tone of this issue. The cops are bad and don't trust them. Another person suggest shooting him in the leg. In these situations, seconds mean the difference between life and death.
There is no one commenting on a close combat situation that the police face many times. Seconds count. Like I said why didn't Josh just cooperate. Do people think a cops go to work at night thinking about having to take someones life. That's crazy. Those scars will last a lifetime. PTSD is high among combat vets that were doing their duty.
How many times in situations like this do we hear others say how shocked they were to learn about the person involved in this type of situation and hear them say - I never would have believed the person I knew would be involved in something like this.
The toxicology report will tell us a lot along with the other evidence.
It is rather strange to me that because Josh was in the military he could not have done something like this, but for the officer he just shoots innocent people because he's a cop or scapegoat.
James C
6:00 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Let's not be so quick to assume Joshua didn't cooperate. There are great cops, dirty cops, and then those who make severe mistakes that they'll have to live with for the rest of their lives. Let's not just assume the police report is true. I pray the truth comes out and a full investigation occurs.
7:33 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
buzz, you stated with authority that there was video surveillance several times in this thread, and yet now you say "video (if there is any)"? Does that mean there was a rush of judgment? Are you giving the benefit of the doubt? Does the video show someone other than Josh trying to open car doors? Or does the video show the death of an innocent man? Did a video ever exist? Did an incriminating video disappear?........Inquiring minds want to know?????
8:52 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Just because a person is brought up a in a good christian home does not mean they are going to turn out right. how many people become instantly agitated just because they are stopped by the police? he's in the military so being his height and weight he can defend himself and has military combat training correct? the family is grieving which i can understand, but then don't write your feelings on-line if you don't want people to respond back. even after an investigation, the family is not going to accept anything other than misconduct, and as one person posted, because of the "evidence they planted on him." everyone knows the news only gives basic information so don't rely on this report to give you all of the details.
James C
6:15 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Combat training? I don't believe he was a Navy seal. Not to mention he wasn't built like an NFL linebacker. I would bet the officers had much more combat training. Plus there was two of them. And how often do cops shoot a suspect when their partner is in the middle of a supposed wrestling match? Or even pepper spray? You have as much of a chance killing your partner or immobilizing them instead of suspect. My friends in law enforcement know the safest bet is to assist physically...you know two combat trained officers against one suspect. And not to mention cops usually have some type of double/triple retention holster. This prevents a suspect from easily removing. This isn't the wild west you don't just pull a gun out. Has to be the right motion. Now I guess if a suspect was on the cops back he'd have a better chance, but if he's facing, plus struggling, it would be extremely difficult to remove. Doesn't mean the cop wouldn't fear for their life if someone went for their gun, but these are supposed to be trained veterans. The report of what happened sounds highly unlikely to me. I look forward to the evidence coming out. Dashboard cam?
12:30 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012
Thank you for these legitimate questions James C.
Buzz Beeler
8:56 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Sean, you say Josh has never been to MD before. Everybody wants respect for Josh and Johnny wants the cops charged with murder. If Josh would have been cooperative all of this could have been avoided. Others say he was driving a friend home.
All of those with police or military experience in dealing in combative situations please reveal your name and experience. Not one person was there and want respect without giving any. You call the police officer a murder and want respect without the complete investigation. You earn respect and if you want us to grieve for the Josh, I have yet to hear a word about the impact on the officer that faced the decision to use deadly force.
James C
8:21 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Oh come on give me a break. I have both law enforcement and military experience. I've been in combative situations. And the way they describe this in the report doesn't make sense, and sounds like more truth is missing then included. So now you want my name. How about address? Phone too? Anyways.
11:16 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
BCPD would have swept this murder right under the carpet if the victim's family hadn't kept the heat turned up.
Seems like that is the only way to get justice around here. Why not bring in another agency to investigate just to eliminate the appearance of impropriety?
Buzz Beeler
11:21 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I would suspect the possibility of an outside investigation. It does not make sense to cover this up because two wrongs don't make a right. Imagine the repercussions if there was a coverup?
We just saw the consequences of one in the White House.
11:55 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
"We just saw the consequences of one in the White House."
Not yet. this cover up and willful lying by this regime is not over yet.
11:49 am on Thursday, September 27, 2012
The White House has nothing to do with this. Stop trying to deflect.
1:09 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Buzz Beeler you want Sean to reveal who and what his experience is why dont you just stop, all you are doing is stirring up a lot crap (except when you gave the phone number out) JUST STOP SHUT UP WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU IN TEXAS.
Buzz Beeler
1:51 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Theresa,someone complained about the blood at the scene and why it was not cleaned. All I hear is complaints about Josh being murdered by the police and yet why hasn't someone from the family addressed this issue of the scene? I said nothing about Sean. What I did do is attempt to help by providing a phone number that could deal with the situation. These people are pros.
People like Steve who is a pro at covering up accuses the cops of a potential cover up. He's good at that.
Sean is Josh's brother and he should make sure the truth is revealed. There are private resources, local, state and federal. That is where the talking should be done.
2:15 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
LOL You tried to solicit work for a crime scene cleanup company??? From the family when they are obviously grieving????
That's pretty low. Even for you
Buzz Beeler
8:02 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I responded to Billie's comment about the condition of the scene. There are many other companies listed.
As always Steve it just goes right over head and three different names. Take the time to read the comments next time.
It is not a pleasant experience for the family to look at this scene. That is why fatal crash scenes are cleaned up.
2:27 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Buzz Beeler, This Community is grieving and the family as lost their son, brother, fiance, grandson,cousin,nephew I gues we thought Ya'll cleaned a crime scene like we do here in Texas. so dont put that on us. That we have not ask if it got cleaned up.!!!!! BTW I did give you props thanks for giving the nimber out..... If your reading those comments in anger STOP and reread......
3:28 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Bizzare! The freinds and family of Mr. Lopez continue to view these comments that make them angry and then respond to them as if their online testimony is being submitted as truth. Most of the disapproving comments have actually been perpetrated by their own comments. Just turn off your computer and greive together.
9:49 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I have not responded in anger. I actually addressed you earlier and sincerely inquired about investigation protocol. I will continue to grieve. I am not above correction however I have reread my comments and do not see where I have been self righteous as " if their (my) online testimony is being submitted as truth".
12:25 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Ms. Reighn, No you have not responded in anger, but others on here have, like Theresa. My comment should have been more directed toward her. A few commenters have rudely fired off quite quickly about Mr.Lopez's guilt and put there odds on the police officer being justified in his actions. These quick judgements were wrong, but almost as wrong is Mr. Lopez's freinds also making quick judgements as to what happened that fateful night, claiming his innocence and the officer's guilt. My point all along has been to let the investigation take place before judgements are made. The angry comments about Mr. Lopez's assumed guilt probably stem from something that we all here in Baltimore are quite tired of, and that is theft and violence. Way too often when a fatal police shooting takes place in Baltimore, the family of the deceased is seen crying on TV claiming that their child, father, brother,cousin, etc. was the greatest guy on Earth, wouldn't have hurt a fly, or even have stolen food if he were starving. Follow up reports often reveal a criminal past and a very troubled life or even a very hidden alternative life. This may not be the case this time, because there seems to be a lot of legitimate Joshua supporters.
12:38 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
In my opinion 90% of the County police officers are good guys leaving 10 % being of less than goodcharacter. I also believe that about 95% + of the people they shoot are bad guys. 5% or less are probably collateral damage or victims of police brutality. Based on these conclusions, I generally put my money down that the cops were the good guys in such situations as this one. Swaying my thoughts that Mr. Lopez could be included in the 5% ' victim of brutality' category is that Mr. Lopez had no criminal history and was serving honorably in the military (both of these facts stated by commenters and not the reporter). These facts could also sway me to believe that the police officer may in the 10% of bad police officers. My point being that the initial report looks just like the ones we wake up to every morning on the Baltimore TV news, so conclusions are easly drawn. A real investigation will take place and all assumptions from both sides will be laid to the side as the truth is revealled. I hope that you find satisfaction in the end results, and I hope that a bad cop is removed if he is proven to be one. I hope your heart finds rest eventually. My condolences to your loss of a loved one.
10:36 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Chillin, I am not going to apologize for being angry,rude or heart and by the way I have not personally attack the police for what has happened I am waiting for the answer just as the family is, but meanwhile I will not sit by and let any one talk about Joshua or call him name and say he got what he deserved, Death is not what he deserved justice is what he deserve now though. I just
ravyn Mathews
3:38 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
how can you tell someone how to greive.?? they are defending their family and backup the beliefs of Josh's friends. if you don't like it, YOU leave the conversation. !! buzz, buzz off. ! Chillin, chill out somewhere else. and it would be an old white man to say something about the President on here. he doesn't know Josh nor did he pull the trigger.
5:13 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Buzz, I have been very careful with my words & perhaps I don't convey my thoughts as well as I would like to. I am one who is grieving. I am raising the question of WHAT HAPPENED because I watched this young man grow up, because my children went to school with him, because I love him & moreover I love his family that he left behind. I have had police officers in my family and some very dear friends that still serve the community on patrol. I respect that position. I wasn't trying to stir up emotion, I want a reason why Josh isn't ever going to come home. How is that bashing the police? We aren't talking about a bogus traffic ticket, we are talking about a LIFE. Does anyone on this panel really get that? We are all still here filling air into our lungs. Breathe deep all of you, those who knew Josh, and those just reading for something to pass the time....go ahead inhale fill your lungs, puff out your chests....exhale...do it again....did you do it? Josh can never do that again...EVER. That is why I am on the internet reading stories that make me cringe. I see the anger of people. I see the dishonor. It saddens my heart. What if we supported each other, what if neighbors looked out for one another, what if authority was respected, seems to be that there is a lot of judging. I haven't inquired about the officers because I don't know them. I knew and loved Josh. If it was someone in your life I would hope you would defend his honor, too.
5:34 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I will not be apologetic for seeking out the events of that evening. I will not name call. I do my best not to assume, so I have inquired, without response, but I will continue to ask until I have answers. If it were my son I would hope our family and friends would support me as well. True there may be high emotions and youthful responses on this posting but that is one of the freedoms we have in this country I love. I would have to differ with the opinion that everyone that knew Josh is attacking the police. I've prayed for them as well. I don't know them. They are alive. I did know Josh. Josh is dead. I wouldn't be typing otherwise. I have observed very distasteful comments from those not knowing Josh. The one made by "Ca" especially was harsh. Makes me wonder if any of my neighbors have that kind of mentality. I believe in our right to free speech, but truth be told, there is a level of self control, self respect and honor of others that is lacking in our neighborhoods, in our communities, and in our homes. Christian or not, black or white, male or female, we all are breathing today, we all have choices, choose life, choose to heal, not just from grief but in our daily lives, you just don't know what someone is going thru. Let's promote love. About all else, let's be accountable to ourselves, for our words and our deeds. Let's leave this world a better place because of how we acted toward one another. I know JOSHUA MICHAEL LOPEZ did. Thank you for reading.
6:51 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
One person here commented that just because he served his country does not make him a saint. I agree. Just because one wears ANY uniform does not make him a saint in fact. .....
It does look bad if the young mans' prints were on cars in a neighborhood where he has no friends? or does not know the owners of the cars his prints are on? but the jump from pepper spray to bullets seems very much a panic reaction. Perhaps understandable if the officers thought the two of them would loose to the young man, Understandable, but not excusable. To go from a petty theft charges to dead is a big jump for a boy that age ....
James C
8:46 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I highly doubt these two trained officers thought they were going to lose to Joshua. These situations suck, but they are trained for them. I remember being sprayed in the face with pepper spray when I was in law enforcement. Why? So I could know how my body would react and how to respond if I ever needed too. It sucks, but you have to be prepared so you don't panic. A gun is always a last resort. Could not too trained officers subdue him?
7:02 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
The scariest thing I see in all this is the prevailing opinion that the officers ... (uniforms) are infallible and have "cleansed" our civilized community. Instead of waiting to see what happened in the investigation. Hopefully there will be one. If this was a sports hero or a pop icon ..;. there would be different opinions. When the Jews were rounded up in Germany it was said to be, "good for the communities", and was to protect the neighborhoods. Careful with blind endorsement of idealistic power. ? ... I guess they can't afford tasers or stun guns in that county? They go from pepper spray to lead Flying huh? that's a shame !!
He will NEVER tell his side of the story ...
How 2012!!!
or 1912 ?
... one of the two ... God Help this Country ...
Buzz Beeler
8:33 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Bill, stun guns do not always work depending on the condition of the suspect. It only takes seconds for these events to happen.
Buzz Beeler
7:41 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Debbie, these situations are always tragic on both sides. I only know what the neighbors told me when they called. The rest was in the media. I can understand how Sean feels. My mother is dying and that is tough to deal with.
This whole situation got out of hand because people jumped to conclusions. I only commented what was on the record. I can tell you through experience that we never know about one's true character and I don't mean that in a negative way.
I learned through personal experience. I had arrested a housewife for DWI where she was twice over the limit indicating a serious drinking problem. When I called the husband and the family they were flabbergasted. The husband said he never saw her drink before and other family members confirmed this, however she had a serious drinking problem that was slowly killing her.
As I stated before, the film (if there is one), the eyewitnesses and physical evidence at the scene will reveal what really happened. Other than that it's all speculation. I've been through this with my own family on more than one occasion. I learned not to be shocked by anything. The chips will fall where they may and then we can begin the healing process.
Let the process run it's course and then we will know. I would not be surprised if there is more than one law enforcement agency investigating this case.
You sound like a reasonable and caring person who is seeking what we all are and you're in pain.
8:08 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Thank you Buzz, for your respectful response. It was difficult to read the judgments from others. I'm proud of our country and I am not naive enough to believe that justice is always served ; Not for the accused, nor the enforcers. There are stories on each side. I found it disheartening that because of one article that educated people could believe what they read. A media story is not facts, evidence is, and there is a procedure for that for a reason. Of course, even in that lengthy process errors or deceit can be made, on either side, prosecution or defense. The enormity of emotion and conviction on both sides, as if any of us know what happened, is a little shocking to me. And yes, I know from first hand experience that looks can be deceiving, and character fleeting for some. I hope that is more the exception than the rule. But then again I try to see the GOOD in the world and cling to that. It's there even if you have to squint to see it.
James C
8:35 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Debbie you are correct. Unfortunately justice seems to be on the slide. Having most of my closest friends in law enforcement, and having served in that capacity also it tears me up to see what is happening to the men in blue. It seems there are too many bad cops nowadays, and they are giving men like friends a bad name. I'm not saying these cops are bad, but I sure as heck think this is not the full truth of the events that led to Joshua's death. As soon as I read the article the first time, I'm asking nothing but questions. How could Joshua overpower two trained officers (he wasn't that big)? Pepper spray when he's entangled with your partner and on the ground!? Then shoot him, while fighting on the ground??? Was the other officer not thinking, or didn't care if he accidentally killed his partner? Was Joshua on his back trying to remove the gun? If not, then how was he going to remove it wrestling him and facing him considering how law enforcement holsters are designed? I've taken down and controlled men much larger then Joshua, by myself. You learn this stuff in law enforcement. And watch out if you have two cops on you, you're in trouble then. Unless of course you're Jason Bourne. Ok, maybe extreme with the Jason Bourne, but just trying to give an example here so people will think. As far as I know Joshua was not a Navy Seal, or a highly trained combatant. I'm thinking that wasn't part of his normal duties.
8:45 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
I was Glad to hear from an officer Like Buzz on here ...
8:49 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Likewise a man Like James C .... Good Cops ... it sounds like ...
Buzz Beeler
10:27 pm on Thursday, September 27, 2012
Thanks Bill. People need to heal and let he pros do what thy are trained to do. I'm sure the NCIS will get involved. Better to put all doubts to rest.
10:56 pm on Friday, September 28, 2012
Bill, James C Thank you for helping put a different perspective and the kind words. and Buzz Beeler well I guess you are read what we are saying or you have seen something we have not but thank you. we are no longer on your front page so things are quieting down on here which is good. this is not over at all. God bless your city
Alex Lepro
11:08 am on Saturday, September 29, 2012
Can everyone please stop feeding the semi-professional journalist with more fodder for his propaganda gun? He's just trying to drag this out so he can capitalize on it. It's disrespectful to Josh's memory.
NCIS will investigate. Then we can all have some closure.
12:14 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012
To all, I served with QMSN Lopez. He has done two sea deployments and we recently returned. Being one of his direct leaders I know first hand that this wasnt like him. He was a deligent worker, my go to guy. If this happened yes it was wrong but it's not right to dishonor his name and family. Our division understands that this was a devestating loss. We all miss him very much and our regards go out to everyone's families involved. May he rest in peace. Miss you Lil Q
2:05 pm on Saturday, September 29, 2012
I met Josh when he and my son returned on their recent deployment, he was such a happy, funny , sweet young man that my son called friend. His death saddens me for his family, his fiance, and friends, but what saddens me the most is the true ignorance and such disrespect of some of these people's comments. We don't know what happened, but this family is grieving, I just find it so hard to believe the comments about the loss of a 22 year old life. Disgusting!!!!! I mean after all the cops have NEVER shot an innocent man, nor beat an innocent woman to death, they would never do that.....yea right....rest in peace Josh, and to the Lopez family I pray you find peace and get true justice, don't give up.
Santiago Creel
12:30 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
James C. Where were you a Law Enforcement Officer at and what was your assignment and rank?....If you were a a former Law Enforcement Officer you know that every situation is different and anything can happen in a split second (Thats if you been in an altercation with a combative person) and depending on where you work that does not happen everyday. I work with a lot of Officers that claim that they have been in confrontations when in fact they worked the desk for most of their career or were not very proactive Officers. These same Officers give opinions about policing, tactics and how to react when involved in a confrontation after the fact (pepper spray, baton, Taser etc). Pepper spray does not work and is not an effective descalation tool that is why is not being used any more on most large metropolitan police departments. As an former LE Officer you should know that the majority of the population thinks police work is what they see on film or television. Which is nothing but far from the truth. I hope the investigation reveals the facts and everyone comes to a closure.
James C
9:51 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Santiago you ask more questions of me then you do of this news report. Pepper spray does not work, but they're still carrying it? It must still work, or why would they even have it? Granted, it does not work in all situations, but it does work. Instead of questioning me, you should be questioning this report. If you're in law enforcement, you should know this report doesn't add up. And why would you pepper spray a suspect who is fighting with your partner? Are you trying to handicap your partner, and possibly make it a one on one situation instead of two on one? Then shoot the suspect while he's wrestling with your partner? You have to be pretty close to do that and make sure it's a clean shot, without shooting your partner. And if you are that close, what happened to trying to subdue with your hands and use your own combat training? And why leave out the information of Joshua being in the military? A 'man from Texas' vs a 'Texas man currently serving in the Navy' are two different things. Nobody wants to hear of a law enforcement officer killing an active duty soldier. I just hope a full investigation is performed.
Buzz Beeler
3:22 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Santigo, well spoken. As a rookie this very large man threw me and a lot of others around like rag dolls. You thought he was on PCP or something, but in fact he was having a heart attack and was out of it.
The drug calls were the worst because of the enormous strength these people had along with a high tolerance for pain.
This is a big case and I think the truth will come out based on the forensic evidence. It's sad there has to be victims in any situation. Some turn out OK while others raise more questions. That is why being a cop is flush with situations of life and death in a matter of seconds where you don't get second chances.
5:31 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Joshua Lopez was an honorable, decorated US NAVY Sailor. He was gunned down by officers. There is no doubt that police officers have a tough job, but this time they got it wrong. Where is the surveillance, where is the video of the dash camera? We live in a country where there is a legal system in place to prosecute criminals. There is a procedure to follow and instead this innocent man was denied that. As truth is revealed I pray those who can read something in the media and assume they know the story will have their eyes opened and not leap to judgment. This man was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I am certain that Josh fought for his life, not in combat, but as a result of over zealous police officers. They will try to build a case but they will fail. If they really were respectable officers they would tell the truth and possibly restore faith in law enforcement. Cops face tough decisions but if they live by the oath they took to protect and serve they would admit they screwed up this time. What a story headline that would make, instead of covering it up. Now that we have buried Josh I will not let this go without answers. How much coverage do you think this would get if these officers admitted what happened that evening, gave Josh's family some real closure & peace, and drew attention to the decisions officers face and how as a society we can work together for safer communities? What if these officers saved tax dollars & did the right thing?
5:35 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
And yes I can say innocent man, because he was never prosecuted in the court of law. Never convicted. Those who disagree with the judicial system policy of "innocent until proven guilty" need not comment.
Buzz Beeler
4:10 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Before people call the cops murders and dirty, they should read this.
Arbutus Town Crier
6:52 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Buzz, FBI Crime statistics goes by zip codes? If that is true crime statistical incorrect when zip code cross over city line like 21229 city county shared? I just noticed that when homes being sold in the county they show FBI city stats on county homes that effects insurance and truth on crime percentages. Am i correct?
4:55 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I have read the article and to me just more questions come up. Most of which James C has already addressed. Further, it shocks me that people believe everything they read without question. Having electronic equipment in a vehicle for a young man is not unusual. Men tinker. Backpacks are not illegal. Having a flashlight in a car is smart. Having basic tools is smart. The article only mentions a screwdriver, not a crime. QUOTE Inside the vehicle he was driving, Batton said, investigators found "a significant amount of electronic equipment." Investigators "believed it was tied to other vehicles," she said. UNQUOTE. Buzz, and others still not convinced that this will have a different ending, even this article says "believed" as in UNPROVEN. I see more holes, and I know without a doubt that as long as truth is coming out, even if slowly, that we haven't heard the end of this. Look at the difference in the reports already. I know you want to side with the police officers, I suppose that would be a natural response. We are all tired of injustice of real criminals getting away with stealing and other crimes HOWEVER this is NOT one of those cases. I know for myself I drive a 2001 car, my son a 1993. We have jumper cables, tools, and all kinds of junk for the times the car has trouble starting or we are stranded. We even have slim jims in each others cars because we lock keys in by mistake. I carry a backpack daily, my son has a black duffle bag. continued....
5:01 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Do we now have to be mindful of what we carry in our cars in case we are questioned in the middle of the night? This article does not satisfy a thing for me, and Buzz for you to suggest that would change minds when the investigation is still ongoing seems premature on your part. How is it you want us supporters of Josh to just lie down and accept this as an answer to why he was killed and yet you seem to have come to a conclusion BEFORE this case is thoroughly examined? Even you must admit that we should wait before drawing conclusions. Again the reports are not evidence. This story is NOT over.
Buzz Beeler
5:47 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Debbie in this investigation the people are already calling the cops murders and dirty?
I did not draw a conclusion I posted a news link for people to read.
From what I've read the cops shot and innocent for the hell of it. The article tells what they found in the bag, nothing more.
The people on this site have already called the cops murders and declared Josh innocent. I think the conclusions have already been drawn. What about the registration from one of the other cars and other electronic equipment? Where did that come from?
That is evidence and will be presented at the GJ hearing.
7:04 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Buzz, the implication of the article link was that we should read that as if it would change our minds about Josh. For myself, it only raised more questions.
evidence - (law) all the means by which any alleged matter of fact whose truth is investigated at judicial trial is established or disproved
What if evidence showed that electronic equipment belonged in that vehicle and could be accounted for? That it was NOT stolen property? Even this article doesn't come to the conclusion of what you are suggesting. What if there is a legitimate reason for the registration upon investigation?
I don't have the reasons for these things.
I'm sure his beautiful family would love to ask Josh what happened? Why was you there? What's up with what the officers found? What were you asked? Did you resist? What happened for this to cause you to die?
I don't want to think that the police were out of order. I hate that every time I see a police car on the road I am staring making sure all is okay. I feel this burden and wonderment of someone getting hurt or yes, even killed.
Some people maintain Josh's innocence much in the same way that some readers declared him guilty. Two extremes.
Even if we were on a jury we would have to wait until all evidence was presented before we deliberated.
Both sides of this issue are sticking to their beliefs. But this isn't rooting for opposing teams at a game. This is a life taken. And thus I read, and write. Josh was silenced. I will not be.
Concerned Citizen
7:51 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Btw josh was kinda a techy, so having lots of electronics on his is pretty norm..
7:28 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
If he wasn't doing the wrong thing, maybe he would still be alive. I am so tired of relatives blaming the police for shooting one of their family members. If they were at home instead of commiting a crime, and fighting with the police..hey maybe they would still be here. Criminals and their families never want to take any responsibility for their actions, they only want to blame everyone else. The police officer had to protect himself and so unfortunately this was the outcome.
7:51 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Gina I guess Like so many of others you just read the article you have not read any of the comments left by his family and friends. why dont you go back and take sometime to read the comments. before you judge on the article ignorant people.
7:38 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Why dont you call his parents and ask them about the vehicle registration, and tell the investigater that was suppost to be talking to the Lopez family to call them they will be able to answer those questions. I would answer them for you but its not my place. DebbieReighn i dont mean to over step you but these people are just pissing me off. I know your a friend of the family as well. We both want the same thing answer for why they shot Josh and closure for his family
8:35 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
You are not overstepping me, Theresa. I do feel a moral obligation to stand for Josh. I know he would do it for my family, it's the least I can do for him. I am confused why that makes people angry. Some of their comments lack respect. I don't understand the blame and the assumptions. I don't know how quickly an investigation can be completed, but I do hope somehow something good will come of it. For anyone reading this, we aren't bitter family members and friends. We can't disclose everything we know, but in the meantime we will fight for Josh's honor. You could only blessed if you have such an outstanding man in your life. And you would believe in him until the end just as we are.
8:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Too many unknowns in this case are made public at this time. Three people know what happened that night and one of them is no longer with us to tell his side of events. Between the two investigations some type of truth will emerge. And friends, family and officers will have to deal with the outcome. I don't know Josh and from what you say on this forum he was most likely a good kid but good kids sometime fall from goodness. As for the police officers they have a split second to decide to use lethal force to save themselves or someone else. Did these officers use the best judgment that night again that's hard to say I wasn't one of the three, neither were any of you. What would your opinion of Josh be if he did get a hold of the officer's weapon and killed the officer, would he still be the good, nice, friendly Josh you all claim?
Santiago Creel
7:00 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
James C The reason I asked where you worked and what was your assignment is because you are providing tactical scenarios as what those officers should have done when in fact none of us were present when this occurred. And I am very surprised that you are basing your judgement on a press release! If you have ever INVESTIGATED a shooting or have been INVOLVED in a shooting you know that a Public Information Officer or a shift commander usually a Lieutenant depending on the size of the department, gives a PRESS RELEASE based on the INITIAL SUMMARY OF EVENTS. This includes: The Officers involved, the reason for them being at the location, the action taken at the scene and the number of persons killed or injured at the scene and possible evidence recovered. (pretty standard press release). Then after or during the press release they will do a WALK THROUGH. A walk through is when the District Attorney's shooting team (ADA prosecutors not Police Officers) along with The Internal Affairs Division and The Homicide Division from the Officers police department walk through the scene with the Officers and listen to them relate the events that transpired during the shooting. All the investigators that I mentioned will ask the Officers questions about the shooting and the events that led to the shooting. Everything is recorded and if they feel that something is not right they will investigate any misconduct or wrong doing. This is why we have Indepent prosecutors. Where did you work?
James C
8:56 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Santiago I appreciate your use of ALL CAPS as if that will help you make your point. So you're telling me this is only a press release and not the full story? Great job, appreciate you filling us all in. Of course you obviously missed my initial comments where I was getting onto some of the ignorant comments made by others who were taking this article as fact, and shutting the case on Joshua. So much for innocent until proven guilty right? And of course if there is misconduct, you think that's what the officers are going to report? No, they're going to cover their butts. As there are those who provide reasons for Joshua's supposed guilt, I provide a look at the other side, Joshua's innocence. I wasn't there so I can only draw conclusions from what is written, knowing it is not the entire story, but at the same time providing counter arguments to those who are so quick to condemn a fallen soldier. R.I.P. Joshua.
Lisa Kelly-McDonald
1:30 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Joshua was loved and respected by all those who knew him. He is greatly missed. I pray that absolute truth be revealed. I pray for his family and friends to have peace and comfort. I pray for justice in this horrible situation.
Santiago Creel
4:17 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
James C I dont really know if you were an Officer or not but you sure dont go by what you preach! These are your own words: "So much for innocent until proven guilty right?" ...... I do believe in innocence until proven guilty but for both parties. If those Officers committed a crime then they will get what they deserve. But dont come in this forum and speak about how they failed to do this and do that without complete knowledge of the facts or without being present during the altercation. You sound like the same "ignorant" people that you are criticizing. If you indeed were and Officer then help your family and explain how the Justice System works and what are their options instead of coming in here and pointing out that one party is guilty. THIS IS WHY I EXPLAINED TO YOU WHAT A PRESS RELEASE IS and what it contains. Read your own words: "They fail to mention Joshua was in the military serving his country, and was planning to get married in a couple of months. Would that make the officers look bad?" I hope you understand what a press release is and what it contains now.
James C
8:14 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Santiago obviously you have a problem reading people's comments. I've defended the family against some of the crass comments here which degraded Joshua. I also have continually expressed my desire for a full investigation and the entire truth to be revealed. Sounds like innocent until proven guilty to me. I've called into question the actions as stated in the article. This neither condemns nor justifies the police actions. Questions. You do understand what those are, don't you? Once again, thank you kindly for your explanation of what a PRESS RELEASE is. Without your insight we'd all be lost. You alone have saved the integrity of this internet message board, and for that we are eternally grateful. And, yes, they could have included more info on Joshua, instead of calling him a man from La Marque, Texas. If they could figure out what city and state he was from, you'd think they'd also know he was in the military. They didn't fail to mention the officer's time in service on the force. Just conveniently left out the information that this officer happened to kill a soldier. R.I.P. Joshua.
Buzz Beeler
6:04 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Santiago, scroll up and read my comments where I posted the Sun Story. It's all there.
Santiago Creel
10:35 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
James C, I cant have a battle of wits with an unarmed man. I do hope that this is solved and that Justice is served for both parties. By the way you never said where you worked as a former law enforcement officer.
James C
10:57 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Battle of wits with an unarmed man...well I've never heard that line before. Nice try, but once again you fall short. If you want to talk about unarmed men we should talk about Joshua. And my former place of employment is irrelevant to this article. Someone asked if anyone had experience in law enforcement or military and I acknowledged I did. Didn't know I would then become the subject of investigation, where, when, how long...etc. Nice try to deflect the main issue, but I'm not interested in playing your childish games. I've expressed my questions and concerns about this incident, and I look forward to the truth coming out. R.I.P. Joshua.
Jay Fitzgerald
9:07 pm on Monday, October 15, 2012
Investigations take time to come to a final conclusion. Sadly all those involved continue to be affected. The neighborhood is understandably jumpy with all the venom spewed towards them FOR looking out for one another from strangers breaking into their property. They're saddened to know a young man died making a series of poor choices and that his family and friends are heartbroken. One neighbor came home from work to find several small American flags near where Josh died. They were left alone out of respect and then by morning someone else had come and removed them...again even this made it sadder. Another neighbor there has family in the Navy and the police departments but they especially understand loss and the need to fully evaluate all the evidence surrounding the events before people were forced to call 911 in the first place.
Buzz Beeler
10:55 am on Tuesday, October 16, 2012
Jay, I would error on the side of caution. Many times small inconsequential observations can be crucial. It's best to call just to make sure on either side. Leave no stone unturned.
The public is not trained to make those kinds of decisions. All evidence is important.
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