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In Friday's Marietta Daily Journal there is a story describing the Cumberland CID's visit to Charlotte to examine their light rail system. It's important to remember that the Cumberland CID and the ARC are both chaired by the same person, Tad Leithead, and have both spent hundreds of thousands of - legally questionable - dollars to promote the upcoming TSPLOST vote.
The news story is that the CID folks came away appropriately impressed with how Charlotte had leveraged their light-rail system to attract Chiquita and other benefits.
What is of real interest is the real story, as told by the first person to comment [on the situation] - a former Charlotte resident who followed the entire development closely.
It turns out that Charlotte light rail project has become an enormous white elephant and Charlotte had to subsidize Chiquita substantially to get them to move and the light rail transit had little to do with it.
His concluding comment: "It is just sickening to watch the same lies spread over and over again. If Cobb wants to commit slo-mo suicide, then follow the lead of Charlotte, aka Detroit-on-the-Catawba."
Georgia, we can do better than this. Let's vote down the TSPLOST and get on to a real Plan B that can solve the state's transportation problems.
ACC-SEC Booster
12:46 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
A real "Plan B" involves NOT the process of putting together another list of political bones to voters to attempt to get them to come out and vote for what is basically a big giveaway of public money to well-funded special interests (roadbuilders, railbuilders, real estate developers, land spectulators, consultants, etc).
A real "Plan B" involves discarding the highly-political and cronyistic process of putting together a list and instead using primarily SELF-FUNDED road and transit projects to relieve congestion.
Light rail would be a terrible and costly misuse of the US Highway 41/Cobb Parkway corridor as the density of development and population does not exist along that corridor to sustain even a heavily tax-subsidized rail transit line at this time.
The best use transportation-wise of the Hwy 41/Cobb Parkway corridor would be to convert Hwy 41/Cobb Parkway into a partially-tolled super-arterial from Mt. Paran Rd. in Northwest Atlanta up to just south of Cartersville, with 4-6 free at-grade surface lanes on the outside for local access to existing businesses and 6 tolled separated-grade express lanes running down the middle.
Brian Wheeler
11:44 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
So...you'd rather pay say $3-4 a day driving that toll road (and that's probably a low-ball estimate of what the toll would cost), which equates to about $750-$1,000 annually (50 work weeks x 5 days a week) than the estimated $500 annual you say it would cost each resident to support TSPLOST? How are those HOT lanes working out in Gwinnett?
ACC-SEC Booster
1:56 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@ Brian Wheeler
11:44 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
I'd much rather the $3-4 a day (and you're right, that is a low-ball figure, especially when it comes to paying to use HOT lanes) or more in user fees and have the much-needed infrastructure be built and come online much more quickly than pay the T-SPLOST, which at a one-percent sales tax rate is likely to cost each resident a little more than just $500/annually, and still not have the much-needed transportation infrastructure come online for 10-15 years after the tax goes into effect.
On top of that, not only would residents be paying a sales tax for upwards of 10 years before maybe still not even having much-needed transportation infrastructure come online, if at all, but residents would be paying sales taxes for 10-15 on many projects (like the Midtown-Cumberland light rail line and the Atlanta Beltline) that are either purely developmental and will have no tangible positive effect on the severe traffic congestion that plagues radial spoke routes (like I-20 E-W, I-75 N-S, I-85 N-S, GA 400 N, I-575 N, I-985 N, US 41 N, US 19-41 S, etc) and circular crosstown routes (I-285, GA 140, GA 120, etc).
Granted, there is not anything necessarily wrong with developmental projects as long as they don't add to the region's already very severe traffic problems, but a sales tax referendum where traffic congestion relief is supposed to be a top priority is NOT the best time, place or way for those projects to be funded.
ACC-SEC Booster
2:05 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@ Brian Wheeler
11:44 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
"How are those HOT lanes working out in Gwinnett?"
Not very well as the I-85 HOT lanes are severely-flawed in the sense that they were created out of existing freeway capacity (the existing HOV-2 lanes) instead of being created out of ADDED capacity (new lanes added to the right-of-way) as they should have been.
While I'm not necessarily all that enamored with the HOT lane concept, I don't have a problem with HOT lanes as long as they are created out of new lanes being added to the road like the I-75/I-575 Northwest Corridor HOT lanes.
I do, however, have a very serious problem with HOT lanes being created from existing freeway lanes without adding new freeway capacity as the I-85 HOT lane concept would have likely worked out much better if they had been created out of 2-3 new lanes elevated over the existing 12-20 lane I-85 roadway.
Brian Wheeler
2:25 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@ACC-SEC Booster: Would you not also be paying the $700-$1,000 per year for at LEAST 10 years for a tollway? Look at the GA400. Wasn't that supposed to be toll-free by now? Do you think a privately financed roadway would DROP their tolls? No way, they'd want to make as much profit as possible; maximize profit for their investment. And who could blame them? They drop a $1 billion or more investment on a tollway, their investors want to see money back, and for a long time to come.
ACC-SEC Booster
3:16 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@ Brian Wheeler
2:25 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
The whole idea of using tolls to finance a major road infrastructure project is not for them to drop off after a the bonds that were used to build the road are paid off.
The whole idea of using tolls to finance an project that adds new expressway lanes is for the tolls to finance the continuing costs of operating, maintaining, repairing and even expanding the roadway as needed over the lifespan of the infrastructure.
Tolls should never be dropped from a roadway because it is the tolls on that road that will pay for the continuing costs of operating and maintaining that road while it is operational.
ACC-SEC Booster
3:28 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
The problem with the GA 400 tolls is that the politicians lied and said that the tolls would come off after the bonds used to build the road were paid off in 2010 so that the public would be more accepting and supportive of the road project.
But the politicians should have never lied and said that the tolls would come off of GA 400, especially when they knew that gas taxes would more than likely not be enough to keep up with the increasing transportation needs of what was then a very fast-growing population.
The politicians also made the promise to take the tolls off of GA 400 knowing that the ramps between GA 400 SB and I-85 NB and I-85 SB and GA 400 NB were missing from the project and would need to be built to take increasingly very heavy traffic off of the surface streets that were being used to transition between the two major highways in lieu of the missing transitional ramps that should have been built when the GA 400 expansion was built in the early 1990's.
The state should have just been straight-up with the public and admitted that the GA 400 tolls would be permanent and would be always be needed to operate and maintain the road in the face of the decreasing effectiveness of the state's gas tax due to the continued rise of the population and the resulting increasing transportation needs.
ACC-SEC Booster
3:46 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Also, as Governor Deal recently showed when he cancelled the P3 (Public-Private Partnership) portion of the I-75/I-575 Northwest Corridor HOT lanes and elected to go with the DBF (Design-Build-Finance) approach, public-private partnerships, or P3's, don't work so well with toll road projects because state governments are often severely-constrained contractually from making upgrades to routes for 50-70 years that run parallel to the P3 toll infrastructure (lanes and roads).
It is for these reasons that public-private partnerships would work much better to finance upgrades to transit infrastructure than upgrades and expansion to road infrastructure as the idea is to use a P3 boost ridership numbers on transit infrastructure during the busiest times of the day as opposed to using a P3 on tolled carpool lanes where the object is to somewhat retard use of the lanes when the roadway and lanes are the busiest (with adjustable tolls that can rise up as high as $10.00 one-way during rush hours and peak traffic periods).
ACC-SEC Booster
12:49 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
If (and that's a big IF) transit is to be implemented in the US 41/I-75/I-575 Northwest Corridor, it should be implemented on the CSX-Western & Atlantic rail right-of-way that parallels I-75 Northwest and on the Georgia Northeastern Railroad right-of-way that parallels I-575 North.
Both the CSX-W&A and GNRR rail right-of-ways run through one of the most densely-populated and densely-developed areas of Outside-The-Perimeter Metro Atlanta and connects the already walkable and transit-friendly historic downtowns of the Northwest Greater Atlanta Region.
The CSX-W&A parallels US 41 and I-75 and runs directly through the historic and densely-developed downtowns of Vinings, Smyrna, Marietta, Kennesaw, Acworth, Emerson, Cartersville, Kingston, Adairsville, Calhoun, Resaca, Tunnel Hill, Ringgold, directly by the Chattanooga Airport and into Downtown Chattanooga.
And like the ill-proposed Hwy 41 light rail line, the CSX-W&A runs directly by Cumberland Mall, which means that rail transit on the CSX-W&A right-of-way can be used to help keep Cumberland Mall viable to much greater effect than the misguided Hwy 41 light rail line.
ACC-SEC Booster
1:22 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
The GNRR spurs off from the CSX-W&A just above Downtown Marietta in the industrial district of Elizabeth, runs parallel to Interstate 575 and directly through the densely-developed and densely-populated historic downtowns of Woodstock, Holly Springs, Canton, Ball Ground, Nelson, the hamlet of Talking Rock and into the North Georgia Mountain towns of Jasper, Ellijay, Blue Ridge and Mineral Bluff while running parallel to Appalachian Developmental Parkway GA Hwy 5-515.
It is on the existing CSX-W&A and GNRR corridors where would not only be sustainable over the long-term, but also FINANCIALLY SELF-SUSTAINING over the long-term with USER FEES in the form of revenues from fares buoyed by very high ridership numbers, maximized advertising revenues and Tax Increment Financing (property tax revenues from future development that pops up along the route).
Projects that involve adding new expressway lanes can and should be SELF-FUNDED through USER FEES in the form of TOLLS.
Projects that involve implementing, adding or upgrading modes of transit (like park & ride commuter buses on US 41 & I-75 and park & ride regional commuter rail service on the CSX-W&A and GNRR rail lines) can and should be SELF-FUNDED through user fees in the form of FARES (You know, paid through the little box thingey that collects money as you enter a bus or train?).
ACC-SEC Booster
1:45 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
One major road project that implemented new expressway lanes that would be fully-capable of funding themselves through USER FEES in the form of tolls would be the conversion of US Hwy 41 to a super-arterial with 2-3 free at-grade local lanes and 6 tolled grade-separated express lanes from Mt. Paran Rd & I-75 in Northwest Atlanta up to Cartersville.
Another major road project that would involve adding new expressway lanes that would be fully SELF-FUNDED with tolls would be the conversion of GA Hwy 6/Camp Creek Parkway/Thornton Road/C.H. James Parkway to a partially-tolled super-arterial from the Atlanta Airport northwest out through Southwest Fulton County, into Eastern Douglas County through Lithia Springs, into Southwest Cobb County through Austell and Powder Springs, into Paulding County through Hiram and Dallas, into Polk County through Rockmart and Aragon and out to Floyd County where the new tolled expressway would terminate in Rome.
ACC-SEC Booster
2:12 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Another road project that would implement new expressway lanes and be SELF-FUNDED with USER FEES in the form of tolls would be the upgrade and conversion of Highway 41-3 and Highway 411-20 into a super-arterial/expressway from just north of Emerson through the eastside of Cartersville out to Rome.
Converting Hwy 6 into a super-arterial/expressway west and northwest out of the Atlanta Airport out to Rome would provide a high-speed no-stoplight grade-separated expressway connection between the Atlanta Airport, West Metro Atlanta, West Georgia and the key Northwest Georgia city of Rome.
Converting Hwy 41-3 and Hwy 411-20 off of I-75 North into a super-arterial/expressway provides a high-speed, no-stoplight, grade-separated expressway connection between heavily-populated North Metro Atlanta and the key Northwest Georgia city of Rome.
Both the Hwy 6 and Hwy 41/411-20 super-arterial/expressways would be totally SELF-FUNDED with USER FEES in the form of tolls that could be avoided by using the free (untolled) at-grade surface roads that would serve local businesses and local traffic and run alongside much of the tolled expressway.
ACC-SEC Booster
2:38 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
Both the Hwy 6 and Hwy 41-3/411-20 super-arterial expressways would also be complimented by SELF-FUNDED regional park & ride commuter rail service that would run out from the Atlanta Airport and Downtown Atlanta via the existing Norfolk Southern rail line right-of-way that runs through densely-developed and densely-populated historic neighborhoods and downtowns in Mableton, Austell, Powder Springs, Hiram, Dallas, Rockmart, Aragon, Lindale/Silver Creek and into Downtown Rome.
ACC-SEC Booster
1:25 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
USER FEES = Only those who use a transportation infrastructure pay for its construction, operation and maintenance.
You don't use it, you don't pay for it.
If you never step foot on a train or bus or drive on a toll road then you should NOT have to pay for by having your taxes go up even higher.
ACC-SEC Booster
1:26 am on Monday, June 4, 2012
The fact that a transportation infrastructure is fully-capable of funding itself, if well-placed and properly-managed (something that MARTA is NOT and something that this proposed light rail line does not even attempt to propose to be) means that tax increases to fund transit upgrades are totally unnecessary.
If the poor excuse for so-called transit we have now were properly implemented and administered, there would be no need for attempted tax increases to (temporarily) bail it out with more public money. The one-percent sales tax that MARTA currently receives in Fulton and Dekalb Counties would be more than enough if MARTA's fares were high enough to actually to contribute to operations and a much more acceptable higher level of service.
If a new expressway or new transit line (bus or rail) cannot be SELF-FUNDED with user fees (like the Hwy 41 light rail line between Midtown and Cumberland Mall) then it DOES NOT NEED TO BE BUILT!!! It's that simple!
If there is no intention of making new (or existing) transit infrastructure FINANCIALLY SELF-SUSTAINING in both the short and long-term then transit needs to be completely abandoned going forward as a transportation and mobility strategy so that the attention can be turned to the roads that everyone absolutely must depend on to get around everyday.
People are Crazy
12:02 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Cumberland Mall viable? That is a joke. Most people are terrified to go there and have been for two decades.
ACC-SEC Booster
12:27 pm on Monday, June 4, 2012
Well, at least attempting to keep Cumberland Mall viable is what the whole misguided Midtown-Cumberland light rail proposal is all about, Cumberland Mall area boosters have been very open about that.
But building an extremely heavily-subsidized light rail line on an incompatible auto-oriented corridor such as Highway 41/Cobb Parkway is the absolute wrong way to go about it and the idea to run a rail line in I-75 right-of-way is even worse.
9:47 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
"A real "Plan B" involves NOT the process of putting together another list of political bones to voters to attempt to get them to come out and vote for what is basically a big giveaway of public money to well-funded special interests (roadbuilders, railbuilders, real estate developers, land spectulators, consultants, etc)."
This is a perfect summation. Well done!
Jack S
10:16 am on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
Shared on my page(s) and out to the Twitter-verse. Excellent rebuttal to the waste of tax dollars on a total BS project. Thank you ACC-SEC Booster, whoever you are!
5:19 pm on Tuesday, June 5, 2012
"How T-Splost news is manipulated" My guess is by Mr. Lowry posting editorial blogs on Patch five different times since May 17th - an average one blog every four days. It must be an awesome feeling to be so right and know others are so wrong about a debatable issue.
Mike Lowry
8:51 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
One small voice trying to bring out some facts against an $8 million saturation advertising campaign.
Brian Wheeler
2:29 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Be careful Deacon; Mike will accuse you of making personal attacks if you question his assertions.
Brian Wheeler
11:37 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
So, your entire posting is based on what a 'a former Charlotte resident who followed the entire development closely' has to say, and then you provide no facts to back-up his statement. Nor do you provide the name of this person, or his/her role in the entire process. Perhaps this person was intimately familiar with the Charlotte light-rail and Chiquita process, but how are we supposed to know that? Why not provide the name of this person who has such insight? Is this just a someone who shares your opinion, or is this person actually uniquely informed, more so than any other Charlotte resident? I realize you're not a journalist, but some sort of accountability would be appreciated in your postings.
Brian Wheeler
11:39 am on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To further my point; "A current Atlanta resident who has closely followed the TSPLOST proposal thinks it will do wonders for the entire region and will help the city start to dig out of its traffic nightmare"...that person is me. Basically my quote and statement carry the same weight as your posting....
Mike Lowry
1:29 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Brian, given your continual snide, almost-rabid personal attacks on anyone who disagrees with you is certainly cause to shield anyone else from your attacks.
If you have closely followed the TSPLOST proposal and have anything rational to say, post a blog article yourself.
Brian Wheeler
2:27 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
And Mike: So you're not revealing the person's name, or title, because you're afraid they'll receive personal attacks on a message board? Will you reveal the backers of your "Plan B", or will they, and those who wrote the proposal also be anonymous? Do you also consider it a personal attack to question someone's proposal? Then I guess you've been an unending source of personal attacks on all of the backers of the TSPLOST?
Brian Wheeler
2:22 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Mike, you're unbelievable, seriously. So my comments are snide because I ask the name of your source? And that is somehow a personal attack as well? How is my question not a rational question? I would suggest that if you can't take someone else questioning your logic, or your intentions for that matter, when writing a public blog that you should then quit posting constantly on the same subject. Let me ask you this; if the AJC were to write a story regarding TSPLOST and extolling its virtues, and they used only an unnamed source with no qualifications on that person's backgrounds, how would you react to that article? "Almost rabid personal attacks" Really? Wow..I think your confusing that will ntelligent dialogue in a market place of ideas.
It's obvious that you only want to hear the opinions of those who AGREE with you. Because you only attack and condemn posters who disagree with your assertions and call you out for your factual errors and the errors in your arguments. If you are going to be the mouthpiece for a movement (the anti-TSPLOST movement) then you will need to get some thicker skin...and accept warranted criticism.
ACC-SEC Booster
4:16 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Also, a T-SPLOST can only fund a very-limited number of transportation projects for a very-limited amount of time (10 years) while utilizing user fees (along with public-private partnerships and profit centers such as maximizing advertising revenues) can fund an unlimited number of toll and fare-supported projects as each fare-supported project (like a rail or bus transit line on high-density corridor) and toll-supported project (like a toll road or super-arterial in a very busy, high-traffic major transportation corridor) pays for itself through the contributions only of those who use the transit line or toll road.
USER-FEES = Only those who use a specific transportation infrastructure pay for its construction, operation, maintenance, upkeep and expansion as needed.
When user fees are utilized as the primary way of financing an expressway or transit infrastructure, there is no need for across-the-board tax increases because you don't pay for it if you don't use it. Only those who use the road pay for it which is a much better way of financing critical transportation needs than sitting around and waiting for voters to support seemingly never-ending tax increases that never seem to be enough.
Major projects like rail transit lines, new expressway lanes should always be self-funded to minimize and relieve the public of increased tax burdens as taxes can't increase forever.
7:02 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
To many taxes are already on us. We don't need another. They should come up with a way to improve the rail lines that are in place already for commuter use. There are many depots in towns that have been turned into other things. At one time people use to use the trains to get to Atlanta and other areas.
ACC-SEC Booster
8:58 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
GDOT (the Georgia Department of Transportation) has already had the plans on the books for the type of regional commuter rail transit that you speak of for about the last 20 years or so, it's just they are almost completely unfunded and totally neglected, of course:
Frank Jones
7:35 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@ACC...unfortunately, user fees rarely pay the way. Our new HOT lanes don't even part the interest cost much less the maintenance construction and overhead. The proposed I 75/575 HOT is supposed to be built with hundreds on millions of state money and won't be paid for by use fees.
BTW...income taxes are a type of user fees and even better, an income tax would broaden the tax base which I thought was an agenda of the Republican party.
ACC-SEC Booster
8:49 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
@ Frank Jones
7:35 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Unfortunately, the HOT lanes are not the best example of a road project that can fund itself totally through user fees because the lanes are not designed to transport the maximum amount of traffic during peak periods, but rather are designed to transport only a limited amount of through traffic when traffic is heaviest on the corridor that the lanes are serving as the adjustable tolls rise to whatever level they need to rise to keep the HOT lanes clear of traffic so that buses, three-person carpools and paying single and double-occupant vehicles can get traverse the lanes at least 45 m.p.h.
Another problem with HOT lanes is that there is no need for their use by paying customers outside of times of peak periods of heavy traffic as the lanes are not the only through lanes in the corridor they occupy and run parallel to a multilane freeway. HOT Lanes are basically not intended to make a profit as they are designed to transport paying customers only during peak periods when traffic is heaviest (morning and evening rush hours and holiday rush periods) and the tolls are raised to push excess traffic out of the lanes when needed.
On the other hand, a toll road like Georgia 400 is designed to transport all through/express traffic on the right-of-way it serves because it is the only expressway within the right-of-way it occupies.
ACC-SEC Booster
10:25 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
"Our new HOT lanes don't even part the interest cost much less the maintenance construction and overhead. The proposed I 75/575 HOT is supposed to be built with hundreds on millions of state money and won't be paid for by use fees."
The state is somewhat eager and more willing to proceed with the I-75/I-575 NW HOT Lanes project more than any other possible transportation option because HOT Lanes is the only politically-palatable major transportation option available to proceed with at the moment.
Pending further dramatic growth and expansion at the Port of Savannah threatens to render I-75 NW OTP (along with the "West Wall" of I-285, I-20 West OTP and I-75 South OTP) almost completely impassable during peak periods with the extremely-heavy truck traffic that that part of the Interstate system already transports.
Governor Deal also critically needs the support of Conservative voters in Cobb and Cherokee counties to assure a win in the 2014 Georgia GOP Gubernatorial Primary and easy passage to re-election to a second-term as Governor of Georgia.
ACC-SEC Booster
10:29 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Given the understandable aversion of OTP Conservative suburban and exurban voters to rail transit in the I-75/I-575 NW Corridor and the political, physical and financial impossibility of the prospect of a traditional road widening of Interstates 75 & 575 in the form of adding untolled lanes to the existing roadway and right-of-ways of I-75 & I-575, "widening" Interstates 75 & 575 by effectively adding partially-elevated tolled carpool lanes to the right-of-ways of I-75 & I-575 is pretty much the only option available to bring about any type of potentially even remotely immediate traffic relief to the heavily-congested Northwest Corridor.
ACC-SEC Booster
10:43 pm on Wednesday, June 6, 2012
Political expendience is also the reason that Governor Deal ordered the Georgia Department of Transportation has opened up sections of the emergency lanes to traffic during morning and evening rush hours on Georgia 400 North in Sandy Springs and Roswell as Governor Deal, while he won the 2010 Georgia GOP Gubernatorial Primary, lost the vote to Karen Handel in Cobb, Cherokee, North Fulton and Forsyth counties.
For Deal to have any chances of surviving the GOP Gubernatorial Primary and winning re-election against what is likely to be an as-yet unknown conservative challenger on his political right, Deal absolutely must have the political support of Conservative Republican suburban voters in heavily-populated Cobb, Cherokee, Fulton and Forsyth counties.
Support from voters in these counties will be even more key in the 2014 GOP Gubernatorial Primary as support for Deal in Gwinnett, Hall and Barrow counties, which Deal won in the 2010 Primary, is nowhere near a given due to continued government scandals and a possible voter backlash against Deal over the implementation of the I-85 HOT Lanes in Gwinnett, the state's second-largest county which has more Republican voters than any other county in Georgia, including traditional conservative political stronghold Cobb County.


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The Rockdale swim team held off county rival Heritage at last weekend's meet at Johnson Park, 393.50 to 350, thanks to six first-place finishes.
The girls nipped Heritage, 196.50-189, as Billye Lewis won the 50-freestyle (27.59) and 500-freestyle (6:14.27), Kemaya Tucker was the 100-freestyle champion at 1:01.80, Taylor Johnson won the 200-freestyle (2:30.88) and the 400-freestyle relay with a time of 4:33.37.
In the boy's meet, the Bulldogs knocked off Heritage, 197-161, as Davis Foster won the 50-freestyle (23.86).
"Our swimmers really toughed it out today. A lot of sickness this week, but these kids pushed through and swam their best," said Rockdale coach Stephen Sansing. "A lot of guys and girls are really stepping up and swimming events or combos of events they wouldn't have thought about last year. We dropped a lot of times today up and down the roster."
Besty Potter won a pair of events to pace Heritage's second-place overall finish. Potter was champion in the 100-butterfly (1:10.41) and 200-individual medley (2:30.82). The Patriots also got first-place finishes from Cody Nolen in the 500-freestyle (6:40.29), Kate McCalley in the 100-backstroke (1:10.450, the boy's 200-freestyle relay team (1:39.74), 200-medley relay (2:09.69) and girl's 200-freestyle relay (2:01.14).
Eastside finished third, thanks to Joey Ellwanger, who won the 100-butterfly (56.69) and 200-freestyle (1:52.89), and Jack Mitchell, champion in the 100-freestyle (51.55) and 100-backstroke (57.09). The Eagles also picked up titles in the boy's 200-medley relay (1:53.18) and 400-freestyle relay (3:42.23).
Salem's Taylor Beauchamp, champion in the 100-breaststroke (1:18.87), helped the Seminoles finish fourth.
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I need a male, preferablly untouched but it doesn't really matter, male shiney scyther (or scizor if you have one). Adamant nature perferred, but any nature accepted as long as they are NOT: Bold, timid, modest, or calm. As long as it is male, shiney, either a scyther or scizor, not one of those natures, and lvl 60 or below (lower is better) i'll take it.
I'm offering any of the following, and some more: Regirock, Regice, Registeel, latios, latias, Groudon, Kyogre, Omanyte, Houndoom, Female Combee and Vespiquen (rare, only 12.5% combee's are female, and they're from honey trees), Deoxys, Jirachi*, Celebi*
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I need a Scizor. I don't care what level it's at, what moves it has, it's nickname [Within reason] or it's nature. I just need it for my Dex.
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So, PM me if you're interested.
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@inkshuk, thats hell of an MG34. How many polys does it count, btw?
okay, the M8 Scott skin once again:
hopefully working download for M8 Scott Skins
@Eli: would be great if you hosted it.
Thanks HT! It means a lot coming from you.
Its altogether 586. It is a support weapon and the Relic weapons were made 6 years ago so they are not the same caliber. I think a normal setup should be able to handle it no pr.How many polys does it count, btw
It varies though, when the drum mag is on, the receiver assembly comes off, when the receiver is showing, the drum is off, the bipod is on and off. When it is on heavy role, no drum, no bipod but receiver is on, it is 558. Should be okay I think.
586 poly, ok how many triangles. Bare in mind to me a tri should be a 1 poly, but some people havent that knack and end up with 2 or 3 or even 6 per poly ..
Bah who cares its nice as long as its below 1000 who cares, in this day and age if your pc cant manage that you shouldent be playing lol
I'm not sure I fully understand your post, but I will try to answer it as best I can. Fortress Europe has not been released yet, but we are working on making Finnish, Hungarian and Romanian models for use by all mods - not just ours. There are a few Hungarian small arms and the StuG III can be used as a Finnish Sturmi (although it is missing a few key details).Originally Posted by NL123
You need to create attrib files for your new units. It does not matter that the art files are in "german" and "american" instead of "axis" and "allies". What does matter is that you link them in your EBP's "entity_blueprint_ext" the way they are provided. Your EBP can be located anywhere that works for your mod. There are tutorials on how to create attrib files and the included readme should provide you with the information needed to get them working correctly.
Sorry for offtopic but.. WHAT? Eli you guys are going to include Finns in Fortress Europe? That sounds just simply awesome. :P
There are roads which must not be followed, armies which must not be attacked, towns which must not be besieged positions which must not be contested.
Normally 1 poly = 1 tri if you are any good at modelling. Sometimes one cannot escape running higher on tris. This time with everything it is exactly 645 tris.ok how many triangles
I think the polycount is a little obsolete as I stated before, the models were designed for computers 6 years ago. Since technology is so far ahead of those days that i think a support weapon can run as high as 650 tris.
For a 1000 tris I could model every hinge and screw and bolt and rivet 3D, lol !
Should I make a new MG42...? Just kidding!
(Besides, Eli would kill me if he had to change every MG42 of every role ingame to a new model...)
@Inuk make a new MG42, I'm in the mood to see Eli with no hair and more wrinckles on his forehead.
645 tris is excellant, as I said below 1000 is adequate for most hmgs and tripods, some of course run a little higher. But im really impressed at 645 tri, I suspect your close to perfect on poly trimming and welding.
The pintle MG34 with folded bipod. I will have to give it a matt finish and post process every texture maps seem like, but the proportions are okay.
DMz, for the sake of this community, i forbid you from retiring!! Try, and i'll come over there and chain you to whatever is within chaining distance! We need you! Until someone can do all you can do, while doing a funny little dance live on a webcam, you can never be replaced. Plus, your a great guy and we'd all miss you. (yeah, i'm joking around again, i won't really try to stop you from doing whatever, but we'd all miss you!).
Wow Inuk, that looks great, and it's nice how this one doesn't have it's belt drum clipping through the gun shield. It looks truely great, i can't wait to see it on everything ingame.
I don't care! If you want to make a new MG42, go for it. You are pretty good at getting things in-game on your own, just need a few pointers on bones and markers.
a nice picture of the new StuG II ingame!
im not which scale is used for the fact that things (bushes walls) get destroyed if a vehicle drives over them
but i dont like the fact that stuf will damaged and the vehicle didnt even touch it
but the stug are well done at this point so this picture is possible
thx for all who are involved at this model
(if anybody interested to create a late Tiger I model try this:
Is there a way to toggle the drum to show up depending on where it's used? When used on the shielded, forward mg mounts of the SdKfz 250 and 251 halftracks, MG34's and MG42's didn't use the 50 round drums but rather the standard belts. As for the bipod, I've seen photos of them attached or detached when mounted on HT's. When used as AA weapons on tanks - pintle mount on the commander's cupola for instance - the bipod was not attached.
Okay, the texture maps are corrected, but another problem has just surfaced: namely. that when i correctly position the mg the drum mag will poke thru the shield, so I will remove the drum and make it belt-fed (model a belt for it and that is that) - I will, on second thought will also remove the bipod I guess, it looks kinda 'bulky' with it. I will export all relevant MG34 and test it, but i still want to send it to Eli for check ups. Then all is ready and we can release them in one bunch for those interested.
.sua is not set right maybe?but i dont like the fact that stuf will damaged and the vehicle didnt even touch it
I think its a little more than just a few pointers.just need a few pointers on bones and markers.
Yes i am! lol - it is basic when one want to model in 3ds Max.I suspect your close to perfect on poly trimming and welding
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lol i mean i could retire from doing Germa\Axis models, im so sick of sdkfz this sdkfz that. God they were unimaginative, and every vehicle had 300 differrent model varients, just because there were 4 extra rivits and a hole cut in it it, or necaause somone changed a rivit on a roof it becomes the next sdkfz lol . incase you havent noticed im sick of modelling axis and pe vehicles . I have a Drilling to finish and a 234-4 and 251-22 to weld and smoothe, then im done with the pesky axis.
There are surely some allied models where you can let off steam . Many players are grumbling about the axis getting too much toys to play withlol i mean i could retire from doing Germa\Axis models
Not much to do really Xali, I can think of the Archer, Humber & Loyd carrier (not that there is a point in doing the Loyd carrier as we have a Bren carrier but...) if they aren't being done already.
Rest is in the process of being made.
well if the vehicles topic is more or less done.then how abaut some new buldings like bunkers and stuff like this or some infantry mixes ?
Belt-fed MG34
Vehicles are faaar from done.
But, bunkers are definitely something we could use - especially gun-specific bunkers for Germans.
A lot of pictures show the pintle-mounted MG34 with the bipod attached. I think MK meant that when mounted on Panzers they wouldn't have the bipod.
Does it mean guys, you would rather I leave the bipod on the gun folded up on the halftrack? The problem is that the mg34_pintle is also used by the stug and tanks so I cant leave it on - BUT! the rear pintle gun can be with the bipod and the drum mag ! The halftrack series (both 250 and 251 types) can have that variant of the MG34.
I could easily make some states for the Pintle gunners that can be changed for different vehicles. If you were on Skype we could discuss these things...
I like the bipod on the MG34, bit i think a compromise like Inuk suggested would be great, that being front pintle MG34 without bipod and ammo belt, and rear MG34 with bipod and belt drum.
DMz, if your tired of German stuff, you could finish your M3 Grant/Lee, M31 recovery tank, or the DUKW, or you could model an Studebaker M29 Weasel. Or maybe the Pacific mod would like a LVT(A)-4 (the one armed with the M8 Scott's turret)? Wasn't there a Bishop SPG in the works? Or maybe alternate M4 Sherman hulls for a Sherman variatns package? The Hungarians would be very thankful for a 40M Zrinyi assault gun (or something else resonably capable).
There's plenty if your looking for something other than German kit to do, the question is, what do you want to see done, or that you would want to work on? Is there anything that has been started that you could help along some? And if your tired of modelling, would you fancy pulling some hair out over some reskins? I know there's plenty of released models that could either use a skin (those Italian tanks Eli released some time ago), or which would benefit from a reskin.
Of course, i don't mean to push anything onto you, but i know there's stuff around you'd like to get stuck into, and i also know your skins are better than you give yourself credit for. If none of that takes your fancy, take a week off and appreciate your work in a mod, there's plenty of those to choose from.
Now i'll get out of your ear and let your own thoughts duke it out.
For the halftracks I take it? I like thatfront pintle MG34 without bipod and ammo belt, and rear MG34 with bipod and belt drum
On a side note, many early SdKfz 250's and 251's had their front MG34's fitted with a bipod, as the shielded mount was designed so that the MG could be readily detached and employed outside the vehicle by its crew and/or passengers if need be. Based on my readings, from late 1943 onwards, the Germans realized the true value of their halftracks and started treating them more like combat / support vehicles in their own right - rather than just armoured taxis - and the forward MG's generally were seen without bipods as at this point as they were intended to be used solely from the vehicle. However, the MG's could still be easily dismounted for repairs, maintenance or protection from the elements while the vehicle was in transit in rear areas.
The problem is, and this I discribed to Eli as well on skype, that the gunner_pintle is used by the stug and tanks as well as the halftracks. I might have to make a new entity called gunner_pintle_ht or something and separate the model from the other gunner_pintle roles.
I dont know if someone has had any experiment with this but I have just done something that might bare some value:
- the halftracks (sonderkraftfahrzeug - or 'specially made or special purpose vehicle') were delivering supporting infantry with the speed of the tanks (thus reversing the old theary of mounting tanks to support the infantry) and i figured why not do exactly that. So by modifying and playing with the pe_munitions_goliath ability my sdkfz can now spawn a squad of infantry at a place where i point. So now a tank can roll down into the fog of war with a 'loaded' halftrack in the van. If this has long been figured out i will be embarrassed to jump up and down in joy for nothing... lol
I'm not quite sure what you mean - having the ability to produce/call-in a loaded halftrack?
If so, Halftrack already did that with the halftrack that comes with the Kampfgruppe Peiper call-in in BotB - he is probably more knowledgeable on the issue
Oh, you guys. I'll make states for the MG34, no need for "compromises".
Call-in abilities are different. if you modify the call-in abilities (like stuh or tiger) you will see that you can rename and add whatever squads and vehicles to a call-in ability.
Vehicle abilities like the mine laying or goliath spawning are different. What I did was:
1, I renamed the pe_munitionspanzer_goliath ability to whatever and changed the spawned squad from a goliath to a specially made grenadier_squad. Now my sdkfz251_halftrack moves with the tanks, and when I click on a spot the vehicle spawns a squad of grenadiers to have infantry support.
I hope this explanation now makes more sense, sorry if I wasnt clear on that.
No comment. This is the prejudice that I have only one adjective for but it is pointless to write it down for people who, like yourself, clearly has a premature opinion about someone's effort or discoveries before even try it out. i never said you have to use it. Makes no difference for me one way or another. I added this for people who will not brush it away on grounds of 'what can he know, c'mon' !he is probably more knowledgeable on the issue
I'm sorry if my comment came off as prejudiced, I really did not mean it that way. I simply meant that it might be more suitable to have it carry a visible Gren squad like in BotB instead of spawning one out of the crew compartment. Besides, I noted that he would be more knowledgeable on the issue IF the previous statement was correct, which I'm still not sure of?
I did not, however, mean to offend your modding/modelling/skinning abilities as I hold all of them in the highest regard.
By the way, you'll need the following models, anyways:
MG34 for Pintle Gunner
MG34 for Rear Pintle Gunner
MG34 for Turret Gunner (Panzers)
MG34 for HMG
MG34 for LMG
Anything else can be done with states for any of those to toggle the bipod, belt, whatever.
Pintle gun is an MG34 belt-fed, no bipod, rear pintle gun is Mg34, drum-fed bipod folded!
Thank you. My approach to this a different one thats all. I dont need to 'see' the squad but my halftrack afford me still with an infantry squad without added human model, thus added polies. It is not a halftrack model with the loaded squad visible, and it is not a call-in ability. it is a normal halftrack model with a vehicle ability.
MG34 for Pintle Gunner - done (MG34 with no bipod and a belt of ammo) >>> for Sd.Kfz. fron tgunner and Stug and stuff
MG34 for Pintle Gunnar Rear - done (MG34 with bipod folded and drum mag) >>> for Sd.Kfz. rear gunner
MG34 Turret Gunner - aye Sir (MG34 with no bipod and drum) >>>> THIS SHOULD BE FITTED WITH AN AA SIGHT!!!! (which I could add in 5 minutes)>>> for panzer turret MG34 HMG - done (MG34 with bipod and no ammo belt or drum) >>> for lafette
MG34 LMG - in the works (MG34 with bipod and drum mag) >>> for squad support weapon ---- this I play with a little: the bipod legs each must be attached to the appropriate bones for anim and the drum mag for reload anim.
These are the same model with different options and roles and since i have to physically add or remove parts of the mesh of the gun I am not sure if you wanna play with states this time. The role requires a different appearance anyway and different options and for these roles we have a various .rgm and .rgo anyway. No what I mean?
I have just noticed that for a 'gun_lid_bone' I should have textured the inside of the feed cover. I didnt so the animation when the mg gunner opens and closes the feed cover is not gonna happen, or I would have to remodel the feed cover and texture it from inside as well - which I am tempted to do actually. It is a cool anim. I like it. It only effect the HMG and the LMG. But those would need a remodelled feed cover.
Last edited by inukshuk; 24th Jan 12 at 10:01 AM.
Looks awesome! Soon the Pintle / Turret Gunner packages will be ready.
Maybe you could touch up the Relic MG 42 with these changes, such as the belt for the front gunner.
Great work guys - your efforts are much appreciated
Now it has a decent skin, took forever to get Xalis new one onto this, he didnt cater for default or mine lol.
It now looks like its supposed to, alpha extras added to Xlis alpha, treads reshaded and sharpened, stowage matched up better ice cream poles dulled down .
Funny really as i wasnt going to bother, i was just matching up a few parts to make it fit a default tiger for my own art sga and got carried away . I could alpha the default spare treads out, ive tried that way and think it looks better, but i think ill just supply the additional texture for that in the rar, when Eli releases it.
Adding picture with the default spare treads alphad out.
Last edited by DMz; 25th Jan 12 at 9:04 AM.
Your skin will work fine so long as you make two textures: one for just the Henschel turret and another that is a reskin of Relic's KT texture.
Doesnt because the default relic style reskin will have relics treds showing under the rear stowage rhs, and on top of the lhs tow cable at the back, therefore alphaing out the relic default textures spare treads is the obvious choice, because we dont want huge spare treads on the turret, and tiny tread links on the hull messing up the stowage. Anyway enough arguing about the does and donts of the texture swapper, ive tried for 7 hours to get a decent semblance of a skin, for this, with and without texture swopper on, the result is you need texture swopper off, or end up with a huge ugly tread showing on the left side of the turret, where the copula used to be. Or a huge ugly tread on top of the extra tow cable and under the stowage. Theres no way round that, so ive set texture swapper to "off" to get this result .
Picture of the above Xali skin with my zimmeritt applied to it, and the spare relic treads alphad out. i personally prefer it without zimm , but again can supply it as an option.
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Not trying to argue.
Send me the hull and turret skins and I'll set them up.
By the way, I discovered something interesting a week or so ago in regards to the PaK 38 (while briefly working on the PaK 97/38). Apparently, Relic messed up the skeleton of the PaK 38 - which uses the same skeleton as the Anti-tank Guns setup. So, when the gun is deployed, the recoil guide is actually moved up into the barrel! I'm not sure if this has ever been mentioned before, but I have come up with a solution that fixes it. It will be part of the PaK 97/38 package.
It's pink because the UV on the meshes has not been flipped yet, and still requires some smoothing.
I also added more source files to the front page for anyone interested.
Last edited by eliw00d; 26th Jan 12 at 7:28 AM.
Ive redone this, Turret and turret addons are on one seperate texture now, plus ive fixed the cockups i made. Also reuvmapped the disgusting relic hull mg port,
along with a few other things, anyway the turrets a lot better now as is the uvlayout on some things, on the map they look the same but ive reuvmapped them.
Theres also two or three other major differance, but ill see if anyone actually spots whats different before i say anything .
Reuploaded pics, had the wrong ones posted :/
Last edited by DMz; 27th Jan 12 at 3:34 PM.
A little something I'm working on for Adiya's PaK 43, DMz's PaK 43/1 and Gurdy's PaK 44: An open concrete AT pit.
Naturally the PaK 43 and its ammo are Adiya's fine work. The open ammo crates are taken from Relic's 88mm FlaK 36. The weapon locker and concrete pit though are mine. Comments and suggestions are very much welcome. Keep in mind I'm still learning, so don't expect miracles from me just yet
Next up will probably be an AT bunker for DMz...I think he knows which one
Special thanks to Gurdy for the crash course in 3DS Max and kudos to Adiya and Gurdy for the amazing job they did on their models
n1 Mirage Knight! But give it a Pentagon shape, the boxy square look for the concrete bunker looks awefull. You could make the sides 90* degrees aswell and just have the arrow front for the pak barrel that would be sick aswell, but please get rid of the boxy look ......
The boxy look is what a pak 43 bunker that style had, the pentagan shape we alredy have with the standard Axis howitzer emplacement.
Well it looks ugly and booring. I would rather play with a cool looking bunker than a ugly bunker just because its historical accurate. Relic didnt go hitler on the historical accurateness themselves either. Awesomeness > Historical accurateness
@Mirage Knight awesome to see you jumping on the modelling band wagon too, good stuff! It looks cool, might I suggest covering up the outside concrete with grass? Most of the pictures I've been able scrounge up seem to have been either complete concrete bunkers or dug outs. The few I did see that look like what you are going for where both modern pictures with the outside was covered in grass. It looks cool though.
I don't see anything wrong with historical accuracy, that's kind of what we do here.
@Mirage Knight
Looks good so far. It would be nice to see some concrete PaK bunkers as well as turrets and other emplacements used in the Atlantic Wall.
I'm in love with the open concrete bunker
Will there be a camo net tent above it? In case you don't understand my explanation I mean the same kind of thing that the 17 pounder AT emplacement has.
I'm not requesting it, just curios
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It took me one full day to make two ounces of breastmilk but holy shit i am so happy.
I did it yesterday and today i made so far 2 1/2 ounces.
:) Sorry to bore yall with my excitement :P
It took me one full day to make two ounces of breastmilk but holy shit i am so happy.
I did it yesterday and today i made so far 2 1/2 ounces.
:) Sorry to bore yall with my excitement :P
Congrats! I remember getting ecstatic when I could get a whole ounce out of one breast. It really is a great thing :)
that is great!
i could never even get 2oz and i wasnt even trying to relactate.
Wow bodies are amazing..
Its super cool that you are really starting to get good amounts of milk back!!
You are a great mom :)
wow thats amazing!!!!!!!!!! seriously!
Woohoo that fully rocks. Good on you. Hows Anthony's latching?
Congrats! That's great! And I second the "I didn't even get 2oz and I wasn't trying to relactate." When I first tried pumping I could never get it right. :-(
It's great that it's going so well. Keep up your great work!
Wow congrats all your hard work finally paid off!!!!
congrats!!! i knew it would come
congrats! how exciting
Granted it took me all day!! But i was happy. Still am.
Anthony nurses when he wants. He has an ear infection so super fussy. Not helping with latching. But i try.
That's amazing, Kell. Really. Good job. I'm in awe of you and your commitment to this.
You are my favorite nurser ever.
that is so amazing :D And I bet you when he nurses he gets more, you generally can't pump as much as a baby can get out. That's so so so great, and you're awesome for trying so hard!
thanks girls. Really your words help.
Atfirst i was like ahh no big deal but im just so proud of myself for not giving up because i almost did.
If i gave up it just would have been worse in the back of my head saying why didnt i. Now i can say i did it!
When he nurses i love it! :) i just stare and smile :) :)
HE NURSED LAST NIGHT!!! My left side for 20 minutes!
The longest ever, and he fell asleep at the boob. I love it!
Aw that's so great!!!!! I loved BFing too. I makes you feel so close to your child.
That's so great! I love the feeling I get when I nursed and knowing they are so comforted by you.... so fabulous!
yea thats so awesome!!!!
i agree.
that's way too cool. congrats!! :D
i think him nursing at night to bed is starting to be a routine. Which is AWESOME! He nursed again last night! 15 minutes!
That's awesome!!! You are so inspirational.
That's awesome!!! You are so inspirational.
Thank you :)
YAY! Well done you put in so much hard work!
congrats hun


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Easy to make roast turkey breast is paired with potato soup and a vegetable sauté to make a hearty dinner combination. The dessert bars are crowd pleasers too! This is a great comfort meal and works well for entertaining.
This Baked Potato Soup is a perfect complement to any meal and sure to warm you up on a cold day.
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2 large or 3 medium baking potatoes, baked or microwaved1/4 cup (1/2 stick) butter or margarine1/4 cup chopped onion1/4 cup all-purpose flour1 can (14.5 fl. oz.) chicken broth1 can (12 fl. oz.) NESTLÉ® CARNATION® Evaporated MilkCooked and crumbled bacon, shredded cheddar cheese, sliced green onions (optional)
MELT butter in large saucepan over medium heat. Add onion; cook, stirring occasionally, for 1 to 2 minutes or until tender. Stir in flour. Gradually stir in broth and evaporated milk. Scoop potato pulp from 1 potato (reserve potato skin); mash. Add pulp to broth mixture. Cook over medium heat, stirring occasionally, until mixture comes just to a boil. Dice remaining potato skin and potato(es); add to soup. Heat through. Season with salt and ground black pepper. Top each serving with bacon, cheese and green onions, if desired. VARIATION: For a different twist to this recipe, omit the bacon, cheddar cheese and green onions. Cook 2 tablespoons shredded carrot with the onion and add 1/4 teaspoon dried dill to the soup when adding the broth. Proceed as above.
Prep Time: 15 Cooking Time: 10 Cooling Time: 0
M. S. from North Texas
If I don't have everything to make soup the Kids will go to the store for me. Great Soup
Nancy Goff from Union, MO
I love it! I used a lot more cooked and crumbled bacon mixed into the soup before serving. This is one recipe I'll use again and again.
amber patterson from Channelview, TX
it's a good way to make something that everyone can customize to their own liking
Kiki Harrison from Itasca, Illinois
I made this for Easter dinner and it was enjoyed my my whole family. It was quite easy too, and heated up leftovers are jsut as great, I recommend trying to make it first, before serving it at dinner, because it can be diffucult to juggle all of the directions.
OLGA RIOFRIO from ARLINGTON, VA
Great for easter days and for the rest of the year.
Debbie Chapman-Denton from MA
This soup is easy to make and taste wonderful. Highly recommended.
Beverly Oferrall from Linkwood, MD
I just made this the other day. The weather is still a little cool, and it was the perfect comfort food. I would advise everyone to try this before the summer heat arives.
Anna Attia from Los Angeles, CA
Next time I will make a double batch, because it did not last a minute! Easy recipe and a successful one at my house.
NANCY CHAPMAN from ,
This is the perfect winter soup to keep you warm all over. Easy to make and very filling. I add shredded cheese on top for a cheesy favor.
Sheri Costa from Enfield, CT
So easy, and quick, perfect dish for leftovers. Very tasty!
Bonnie Brown from Leesburg, GA
This is a great soup. My husband even likes it and he doesn't care for soup. Great on a cold day!
Suzette LaMarche from Vermilion, OH
this is even better than mom used to make
Rose Tunis from Scranton, PA
this is excellent
jackie kush from waukee iowa
Very easy and delicious!
claire-anne aikman from
Made this with a salad. Dinner was done fast!
Joyce Walker from Hillsboro tx
I did add the carrots but I used the can carrots and it does make a difference.
Laureen Bruce from Gilbertsville, KY
This soup really hits the spot on a cold Spring day. yum
Kenia Mello from Blaine, MN
Very Easy and so delicious!!! Yummy
rebecca roberts from Twentynine Palms, CA
A lot easier then it looks, tastes delicious and you can say it was homemade best of all.
cheyenne teague from roland, OK
My family really loves my potato soup. I add celery and shredded cheddar cheese to mine. The grandkids ask for seconds.
roger clap from Warner Robins, GA
too high in sat.fat
magan menard from YAKIMA, WA
Excellent way to use up the potatoes we got on sale!
Valerie LaBerge from Montgomery, IL
This soup is easy to make and delicious to eat! The leftovers were a great treat for me at work the next day!
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Betty Brooks from Cullman, AL
My family are not big soup eaters, but even my 7 year old enjoys this on a cold day. I did not add the potato skins, just chopped remaining potatoes into soup, but did add a generous amount of bacon just before serving. A new family favorite.
Jennifer Heerten from Birmingham, AL
My son normally doesn't like potato soup, but he eats this one just like he does broccoli and cheese! GREAT HIT!!!
HEIDI CARLSON-REID from ,
This is a delicious soup to serve on a cold winter's night.
sandra snell from NORFOLK, VA
crispy bacon and shredded cheddar on top are perfect!
Elizabeth Hooton from Gautier, MS
This is a basic, simple, filling and fast soup to make. Wonderful for cold winter nights.
Tina Shorey from Taunton, MA
Turkey bacon, 'veggie' bacon, or even baco's make an excellent substitution to the cooked crumbled bacon. I stir in sour cream instead of butter, and add the cheese and scallions stirred in at the end rather than using them as an optional garnish.
Audrey Myers from Ellettsville, IN
My entire family really enjoys this recipe, it tastes good on a cold day.
Joy Hill from Kansas City, MO
I used half a can of chicken stock and half a can of white wine. Added some sauteed celery, parsley and lots of fresh cracked pepper.
claudia rodriguez from texas
I made this for a reunion, everybody loves it!!
Diahna Garcia Ruiz from Heber, CA
I added some chopped up rotiieseri chicken, and it was a hit with my family! Was a full meal on a cold day....
Vicky Mazyn from Conroe, TX
This is an easy good comfort food. Great for cold evenings. I add extra cheese and always double the recipe so there are leftovers.
Brittany Hickey from
This is a very yummy soup to have one a cold wintery day! It is very good with the cheddar cheese and bacon bits on top!
Sandie Steger from CUYAHOGA FALLS, OH
This soup is stick to your ribs filling. I used a couple more potatoes and mashed one to thicken the soup. I also didn't have green onions so I used green peppers and I thought it was wonderful. sprinkle with ground red pepper for a little zing.
ann menke from , fond du lac, WI
loved this recipe but we added green and red peppers for a little extra color and did not use the bacon...a big hit at my home!
Kim Russell from North Wales, PA
This was easy to prepare and so tasty. My family loved it. It is my new comfort food.
Emily Erickson from Pocatello, ID
This soup is very yummy! I served it in bread bowls to my little children who are very picky when it comes to soups and every one of them loved it!
Brad Bergeron from Nashua, NH
So delicious and a great comfort on cold days. Nice to come home to!!
Terry B. from
I added some garlic powder, dried parsley and dried tarragon to give it more flavor and thickened it with some instant potato flakes. My husband said it was close to what he ate at a restaurant. He said to add more cheddar cheese next time.
Lynn Urback from Tomball, TX
I had to multiply this recipes times 5 to feed all my guests and it was a BIG hit! Folks were going back for seconds. What really makes this meal is garnishing the soup with bacon, green onions and cheddar cheese. Soooo good!!! TIP: If the soup starts to thicken where its like mush, just add some more Carnation milk. I only had to add 1/4 cup right before serving. I had made the soup up a few hours before the guests had arrived and when I reheated it, it lost some of the liquid. No big deal just to add a little more milk in order to keep the "soup" look.
diane wood from Crescent, PA
This is delicious!! Quick and easy, perfect for those cold winter days! I added a little bit of cheese at the end of cooking and it was wonderful!
Teresa Marksbury from Sandusky, OH
This was so easy to make and it tasted excellent. I love cooking but have always been a little afraid of making potato soup, worried that it would just come out all watery and thin. But this was perfect! I added about a handful of cheddar cheese while the soup was cooking, so it got a nice cheesey taste by the end. And I let it sit and simmer for a couple hours to get nice and thick.
Susan Stevens from Westmoreland, TN
This is a quick and easy homemade soup. I season with salt, pepper and minced garlic as needed and it's so delicious! Much faster than boiling potatoes... less mess too.
Robin Bayer from Peshtigo, WI
I ended up adding my own ingreidents to this recipe because it did not have alot of flavor. I am looking for bold taste and this did not have it.
Bonnie Winchell from Cicero, NY
This is the best verison of potato soup! It was just what I was looking for.
Richard Davies from Belleville, MI
Decent soup, but being listed as easy you may get some novices that don't know to season as you go and properly cook out the roux. Use sweet potatoes for a change and real treat. A touch of cinnamon works well with the sweet potato version.
Mary Reynolds from Jackson, MS
Not sure what happened, but this soup did NOT live up to the reviews that I read. It was blah....just tasted like mashed potatoes with too much milk. I was very disappointed to say the least.
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A simple yet tasty basting sauce makes this Roast Turkey Breast recipe stand out from others.
1 (3 to 4 pounds) bone-in half turkey breast, thawed if frozen1/4 cup Apple NESTLÉ® JUICY JUICE® All Natural 100% Juice2 tablespoons butter, melted1/2 teaspoon MAGGI Granulated Chicken Flavor Bouillon1/2 teaspoon paprika1/2 teaspoon dried thyme leaves1 clove garlic, finely chopped
PREHEAT oven to 325° F. Adjust oven rack to the middle of the oven. PLACE turkey, skin-side-up, on rack in shallow roasting pan. MIX Juicy Juice, butter, bouillon, paprika, thyme and garlic in small bowl. Brush turkey with half of mixture. ROAST for 30 minutes; brush with remaining butter mixture. Roast about 1 hour longer or until meat thermometer reads 155° F. Remove from oven; transfer to cutting board and tent with foil. Let stand for 15 minutes. NOTE: During the 15 minute resting time, the turkey breast continues to cook and will reach 160° F, an ideal temperature. This step facilitates a moist turkey breast and easier carving.
Prep Time: 10 Cooking Time: 90 Cooling Time: 15
Servings Per Recipe: 6
This Zucchini-Corn Sauté is a four-vegetable medley that makes a colorful addition to just about any meal. It is especially enticing with grilled or broiled pork or lamb chops, or roasted chicken and turkey.
1 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil3 cups (about 3 medium) sliced zucchini1/2 cup chopped red onion1/8 teaspoon crushed red pepper (optional)1 1/2 cups loose-pack frozen whole-kernel corn1 medium tomato, seeded and chopped1 teaspoon chopped fresh thyme or 1/2 teaspoon dried thyme, crushed
HEAT oil in large, nonstick skillet over medium-high heat. Add zucchini, onion, and crushed red pepper; cook, stirring occasionally, for 4 to 5 minutes or until vegetables are tender. Stir in corn, tomato, and thyme; cook, stirring occasionally, for 2 to 3 minutes or until heated through. Season with salt and ground black pepper, if desired.
Prep Time: 15 Cooking Time: 8 Cooling Time: 0
Lori C from Marlboro, NJ
Served this dish at my labor day barbeque and everyone really loved it. I just needed to add a little salt to bring out the flavors.
Edna Hakenson from Las Cruces, NM
Delicious! One of the best zucchini recipes I've had.
These fudgy Rocky Road Squares brownies are spread with melted chocolate chips, topped with fluffy marshmallows and crunchy walnuts.
1 package (19.5 to 21 oz.) fudge brownie mix1/2 cup vegetable oil, per package directions2 large eggs, per package directions1/2 cup NESTLÉ® CARNATION® Evaporated Milk1 cup (6 oz.) NESTLÉ® TOLL HOUSE® Semi-Sweet Chocolate Morsels2 cups miniature marshmallows1 cup coarsely chopped walnuts
PREHEAT oven according to package directions. Grease 13 x 9-inch baking pan.PREPARE brownie mix according to package directions, using vegetable oil and egg(s) and substituting evaporated milk for water. Spread into prepared baking pan.BAKE according to package directions; do not over bake. Remove from oven. Immediately sprinkle with chocolate morsels. Let stand 5 minutes or until morsels are shiny. Spread evenly. Top with marshmallows and walnuts. BAKE for 3 to 5 minutes or just until marshmallows begin to melt. Cool in pan on wire rack for 20 to 30 minutes. Cut into squares using a knife dipped in hot water.
Prep Time: 15 Cooking Time: 20 Cooling Time: 20
ANGELA TOCCO from OVIEDO, FL
I made these once for my son's schoolmates, and was asked to make them again for a party without the nuts (food allergies in the group) so I kept the "crunch factor" by substituting crushed graham crackers for the nuts, and we call this version "s'mores brownies". Either way they are so yummie!!
This is an easy and wonderful home made gourmet which also makes great gifts!
Tess Rogers from Herreid, SD
I just made these with my residents and they are RAVING about it. They want copies to give to their kids and grandkids. We did change it so we made it with our own brownie recipe and drizzled the evaporated milk over the top of the marshmallows and then baked it the additional 5 minutes. They love it!
katie Holohan from ,
Fantastic!They were really easy to make and the kids loved them. I made two batches the first ones were so good. I am surely going to make them again.
april lusk from Valparaiso, IN
Steph G from Cottage Grove, MN
This recipe couldn't be easier to make or more delicious! It was absolutely wonderful and I'll be making it again and again! Thanks!
Amanda McClelland from VALLEY VILLAGE, CA
Super easy to make and they were a huge hit!
Halley Morlock from
These were really awesome and easy to make.. Instead, I used candy kisses with the marshmallows for the toppings though. They weren't very popular at the party I brought them too..they look unique compared to other desserts..so others were hesitant about trying them. But those who did LOVED them as did I!
BARBARA PRINCE from WILKES BARRE, PA
Easy enough that the grandkids were able to almost do it all by themself..something that they will want to do and eat again!
KAREN GENTILI from EAST BROOKFIELD, MA
These are great but I am not the biggest walnut fan so i used Peanuts instead. My hubby LOVED them! Will be making them more often (he is way too thin!).
elaine hilton from little falls, NJ
Very easy to make. Rich, moist, creamy, and delicious! Great warm with ice cream, or just by themselves. Make, eat, & enjoy today!
ALISA KONCZAL from PERRYSBURG, OH
My family loved these - my daughter enjoyed baking them and of course licking the bowl.
Helen Marschand from Fort Polk, LA
I made these for a bake sale for my husband's Army Troop, they were gone within a half an hour! I used milk chocolate & caramel morsels instead of plain chocolate morsels, they were AWESOME! They were so addicting some of the soldiers were coming back for more!
GAIL HENKE from REMER, MN
This has always been a favorite of my family. I lost my recipe and was so glad to have found it here. Thank You
Samantha Drab from North Wales, PA
I cut the squares diagonally into triangles & used them on a gift tray, where they looked almost elegant. They're also good when served as dessert.
Yalanda Young from Jonesboro, AR
It was fun making these Rocky Road Squares. They were almost as good as the Ice Cream!!!
Ann Novick from NASHUA, NH
Who doesn't like ROCKY ROAD Icecream?...Such a delicious combination of flavors & textures. These cookie squares give me all that, in a simple to make recipe. And, if I still want ice cream; I just put a scoop on top of one of these: THE BEST OF EVERYTHING!
Constance Oberton from WATERTOWN, NY
This is so great for chocolate lovers, easy to make and so good. I will make this often.......
Lavoye Cochran from EL DORADO SPRINGS, MO
This recipe is very quick and my grand kids love them. From time to time I change the flavor of chip I put in them. The only thing wrong with them is they won't last hardly as long as it takes you to make them. They are a great hit.
CYNTHIA CINTRON from OCALA, FL
My daughter had two friends over for the weekend and they were craving chocolate so we decided to make these easy and wonderful brownies. They did the entire thing themselves and the recipe turned out great! They added mini candy coated chocolates for color on top and a few sprinkles of toffee bits. After they cooled the brownies they watched a movie and devoured their creation! Thumbs up to this winner.
MICHELLE PRICE from SANTA ROSA, CA
LOUANN SMITH from Plano, TX
Wonderful and easy to make Rocky Road Squares! Perfect for anyone you need fast dessert! Thank you Nestle!
Roxanne Jackson from EDINA, MN
My granddaughter and I always make brownies when she comes over to spend the night. We are chocolate lovers and this recipe is sooo good! The moist brownie layer with the marshmallows is absolutely great. This recipe is here to stay especially because it is so simple with a brownie mix as a start.
Barbara Johnson from Aurora, CO
Super easy recipe. Great with a glass of milk.
Jennifer Jacobsen-Wood from Princeville, IL
My daughter and I made these the other night. We followed the recipe and it came out good, very rich. I used a glass pan and the brownies seemed to take a little longer to cook.
Jessica Kelley from Spring, TX
These little babies are so yummy!!!!!
Donna Sadewasser from TACOMA, WA
Very quick and easy to make. Very delicious. They went over well with my kids as well as the adults that ate them. Will definitely make them again.
tegan carroll from gand ile, ME
i had all the ingredients to make these brownies at home already. this recipe uses a box of browie mix, it was so easy to make my three and a half year old daughter helped a lot. it was fun. we brought the rocky road squares to a family party. they were loved by the biggest critcs in my family, one being my husband.
April Rau from BARABOO, WI
I made these last night and they were delicious. They were almost gone shortly after they were cut. My son liked them and he rarely eats sweets. I definitely will make these again.
s fisher from phila, PA
big hit at a party, very kid friendly and absolutely enjoyable!!!
Sonya Taylor from Brookings, OR
My family loved these bars. We had fun making them but I do believe they enjoyed eating them even more! Thank you for the great recipes to use while making new memories with my children.
Emily Polzine from DAWSON, MN
These are wonderfully rich bars. Easy to make and the kids love to help. Thanks
jennifer shierling from watertown, NY
this is a wonderful little treat that my child loves, plus one of my favorites! it tastes great and was so easy to make!!
Brianna Bowles from Lacey, WA
I made these for my open house and they were gone within seconds! Absolutely delicious. For those with gluten allergies substituting the brownie mix works just as well (not as chewy, but thats to be expected).
Jamie Brown from HANOVER PARK, IL
This was a really easy recipe for a chocolatey dessert needed fast. It looked like I did more than I actually had to.
P. Mitsuyasu from EWA BEACH, HI
Delicious, easy to make, everyone enjoyed them, thank you!!
cricket elieff from Syracuse, NY
I made these my a group of friends and our children. Everyone loved them. The kids were covered in chocolate. They were best eaten with a fork but they were so good.
Michele Bapst from JACKSONVILLE, NC
I had a work related meeting to go to last week and we always do a potluck. Well I decided to make a dessert, boy these were the first to go, everyone loved these so much! Thanks verybestbaking for the wonderful recipe!
Heather Jordan from WASHINGTON, PA
This recipe was very tasty and was very easy to make. This was a quick and easy recipe and was even more fun to eat.
Diana Bowen from LOUISA, KY
This dessert is sinful. Every bite is a new experience in delicious taste. My husband can take this to work and it would not last minutes and having them begging me to fix more. Great for home or to take with you!
Candice Tesh from Winston-Salem, NC
These are delicious. They are sinfully rich and just scream for a glass of milk! I make these for the police officers on my husbands squad and they are hands down the favorite thing I send in. At Halloween and Christmas I buy the holiday chocolate chips and use those...they look festive and fun!
Jaye Neville from VENTURA, CA
My kids loved them! They are a little gooey but well worth it, and they were actually very easy to make.
Kathy Caldwell from WILLIAMSPORT, PA
I made these brownie bars last weekend. They are out of this world. Not a crumb left. Thanks VeryBestBaking for the recipe.
BONNIE WEIHL from BAY CITY, MI
I tried this with my girlscout troop and they loved it and also earned a badge for it.
TRACI FOREMAN from CYPRESS, TX
These were great and easy we switched the walnuts with chopped almonds.
Sharon Cross from PITTSBORO, NC
These brownies where none like I have every tasted before. My family and I loved them so much we ate up the whole pan of them in one day and then made some more two days later. They are GREAT!!!!!!!
Lorrie Aubin from PLATTSBURGH, NY
I made these with my 12 and 14 year old sons, they love chocolate and they really enjoyed making this dessert. They like this dessert for an afternoon snack .spending time with my boys and baking on the weekends are a great time. This dessert is very easy and doesn't take much time at all.
Diana Bunnell from Bellevue, NE
I could eat a whole pan of these. I have to make half without the nuts for my picky other half. But they are still yummy.
Michelle Kucirka from State college, PA
My daughter and I made these together. It was very easy, though a little messy. But we decided it was worth it once we got to eat them. Very delicious!!! We used the multi-color mini marshmellows for a fun twist and also used almonds instead of walnuts because they are my daughters favorite and it still came out wonderful.
Judy Melby from THIEF RIVER FALLS, MN
Made these for my grandchildren at Christmas time.These are the chewest bars and wonderfully chocolate. If you don't like chocolate don't make these, "they are choco-choco delicious" and simple to make. Thumbs up and A+
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5th Gen Database and Moveset Error compilation
Similar to this thread, this thread is designed to compile database errors so you guys can stop posting in the small changes thread!
Here's some examples of the stuff that belongs in this thread. Don't expect this stuff to get changed right away though, this is for stuff down the road. P.S. I won't be updating the OP regularly, so don't bother me to do so! Eventually stuff will get put in Hide tags. Quote:
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http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/jirachi/moves Jirachi's missing Iron Head, a pretty big move
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In the overview for the pokemon, it states Abra has Magic Coat, not Magic Guard, whereas the ability list provides the accurate ability list. |
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Torkoal is missing the following moves, although they're not all important, Stealth Rock and Earth Power are listed on a set and not in the 'moves' section.
Iron Tail - Gen 4 TM Secret Power - Gen 4 TM Earth Power - Gen 4 tutor Captivate - Gen 4 TM Stealth Rock - Gen 4 TM / Dream World(?) Natural Gift - Gen 4 TM Snore - Gen 4 tutor Mud Slap - Gen 4 tutor Rollout - Gen 4 tutor Headbutt - Gen 4 tutor By the looks of things, most BW Pokemon are missing moves they can get via Gen 4 and be transferred. |
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The current Move Dex only lists the moves they can learn in Gen 5. It does not list tutor/event moves from Gen VI or III.
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While we're on the note of moves from a previous generation, though, let's talk about GenIII learnsets (I'm not sure if this has already been called to attention, so forgive me if it has). Through Pal Park, Pokemon which learned a TM or tutor move from the third generation could be transfered over to the fourth generation. Thus, even if a Pokemon didn't learn a move in the fourth generation, it could still have the move even in the fifth generation if it learned it in the third generation.
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It's not like we don't want our database to be complete, it's the fact that nobody except those with root access (i.e. about 2 of the current admins) are able to fix the current moveset errors. Obviously if we could fix it we would. How dumb would it be for us to say "nope we aren't going to list every move they can learn cuz we feel like it." |
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Vibrava missing from Strategy Pokedex
Hey all! I'm brand new, and I registered just because I realized this earlier tonight... so hopefully this is the right place to post this (and maybe this has already been pointed out).
Anyway, as far as I can see, Vibrava doesn't even have an entry in the B/W pokedex. Check it out: http://www.smogon.com/bw/pokemon/ Thanks! |
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That's because it's under the NFE tag. Our Strategydex only lists analyses for those fully evolved Pokemon and some NFEs that are usable in some tier, and most middle evolutions such as Vibrava are so bad that they aren't even usable in NU.
There is a message under "Pokemon" on the Strategydex page that says "Change your preferences here." Click the here and you'll be taken to this page and from there you can change the tier threshold from Limbo to NFE. |
Jan 15th, 2012, 10:52:11 PM | #12 |
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Ahhhh, that makes perfect sense, I can't believe I didn't catch the preferences link. Anyway, I'm not surprised that it is that bad. Sorry about that!
Jan 17th, 2012, 6:58:50 PM | #13 |
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Chansey move set
On the counter set, it lists: Softboiled / Wish as a move, but since wish was an event move, and counter is an egg move, I'm pretty sure she can't have both in the same set. Right?
Jan 22nd, 2012, 12:50:10 AM | #14 | |
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Edit: This is also pretty silly and minor, but Gligar and Gliscor are missing Dream Eater from their 4th and 5th gen movepools. They could learn the attack by tutor in FRLGE, but lost the ability to learn it by TM in later gens, a lot like the way Qwilfish learns Swords Dance.
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Mar 6th, 2012, 1:22:16 PM | #15 |
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Feint's Base Power is listed as 50 in the BW section, despite having its Base Power reduced to 30 in Gen 5. This error is also shown in the move lists of the Pokemon that learn Feint. Komodo edit: Higher ranked staff can edit this; super mods/admins help me out here?
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Mar 13th, 2012, 2:44:54 PM | #16 |
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Herdier and Victini are listed as receiving the move. Moreover, they are listed as the only Pokémon to receive the move. Edit: I set the tier threshold to NFE (if that makes a difference), and I now realize that the problem isn't limited to Volt Switch. For instance, Sucker Punch is listed as being learned by Emboar and Serperior, Hidden Power by literally five Pokémon, and Leech Seed by Liepard. Wonder what's up.
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Mar 13th, 2012, 4:15:43 PM | #17 |
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There are a lot of errors with hydreigon's movepool in the strategydex. It says he gets recover and future sight (pretty sure he doesn't get these). In addition to this, he's missing a ton of his moves. Forgot to say it also says he gets hammer arm. Fairly certain he doesn't get that either.
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Mar 13th, 2012, 5:25:43 PM | #18 | |
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The whole Database for 5th gen seems to be fucked up at the moment there are also a lot pokeon who have absolutly no moves listed in their 5th gen move list. |
Mar 13th, 2012, 5:32:20 PM | #19 |
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In the meantime, I'd recommend Veekun for the best dex:
http://veekun.com/dex |
Mar 13th, 2012, 5:33:52 PM | #20 |
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the movedex is glitched at the moment and the sprites for unova mons are also not showing up, these are known problems which will hopefully be fixed posthaste
Mar 15th, 2012, 9:13:08 AM | #21 |
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(I think this is supposed to go here but I'm not sure.)
http://www.smogon.com/rb/moves/karate_chop Karate Chop's RB page lists it as a Fighting-type move. However, it was a Normal-type move in Gen I and was changed to Fighting in Gen II. |
Apr 30th, 2012, 11:24:38 PM | #22 |
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The thing about Basculin-B and the Rock Head ability is it cannot have Egg moves, it can only be Adamant nature, and its IVs can only be 20/31/20/20/20/20.
EDIT: It's been fixed in Black 2/White 2, so now Blue-striped Basculin can have Rock Head naturally. Last edited by Youkai Enslaver; Nov 6th, 2012 at 11:00:06 AM. |
Jul 18th, 2012, 11:29:16 PM | #23 |
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not quite analysis stuff, but on the about page:
http://www.smogon.com/about check out the top bar. it still links to diamond/pearl, rather than bw. the philosophy page (http://www.smogon.com/philosophy) still links there as well, but the credits page is fine
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Jul 23rd, 2012, 7:36:16 PM | #24 |
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It doesn't have a typing listed. http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/nidoran-f It also doesn't have a typing listed. Their RSE, GSC, and RBY pages also don't have typings. Last edited by Swamp-Rocket; Jul 28th, 2012 at 1:41:00 PM. |
Nov 3rd, 2012, 1:25:03 AM | #25 |
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Missing Articuno and Moltres. (And Zapdos, but that's Game Freak's fault.)
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