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The temperature in Baghdad, Iraq on the morning of March 10, 2010 was approaching a humid 80 Degrees by 11:00 AM. On the surface this appeared to be just another hot, sandy day in this war torn nation, but today would be different.
American troops were on high alert but determined to see the important events of this day carried through. This day was important because it was Election Day in Iraq and there were hopes that democracy would endure and the turnout would be high.
It is altogether fitting and proper that it would be American Troops that shielded the Iraqis as they exercised their right to vote, because in the United States the right to vote is conceived in the proposition that all men are created equal. The struggle to secure for our citizens their right to vote is a fundamental element of our history, from the Women's Suffrage Convention at Seneca Falls, to the passing of the 15th Amendment declaring that citizens cannot be denied the right to vote based on race or color, to the 19th Amendment guaranteeing women's right to vote; we treat the right to vote as sacred to our democracy.
At this very moment, the right to vote is again tested, not on the streets of Baghdad but rather right here in America. In the months before the 2012 presidential election, Republican legislatures and governors across the country are rewriting voting laws to make it much harder for the young, the old, and the poor– groups that typically vote Democratic- to cast a ballot. [1]
Former President Clinton has warned that the likes of these Republican attacks on voting rights in Pennsylvania and Ohio had not been seen since we got rid of the poll tax and other Jim Crow burdens on voting. At the Democratic National Convention President Clinton said, "Do you really want to live in a country where one party is so desperate to win the White House that they go around trying to make it harder for people to vote if they're people of color, poor people or first generation immigrants?"[2]
In 2010 the Iraqis defied a barrage of mortars and rockets and went to the polls in large numbers. In 2012, despite the Republican attempts to suppress our voting rights, we must defy the Republicans and go to the polls in large numbers to ensure that a nation conceived in liberty will endure.
[1]The New
York Times/Editorial/The Republican Threat to Voting/Published: April 27, 2011/pageA26
[2] http://www.thenation.com/blog/169733/bill-clinton-gop-voter-suppression-laws-sign-desperation
jerry moore
9:20 am on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
This article seems to be devoid of any specifics, or facts.
Republicans trampling our voting rights?
Sounds more like a desperate Democrat supporter grabbing at straws, trying to discredit Republicans through innuendo.
If you're going to write a commentary have some facts.
Bob Griffiths
3:03 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
To Jerry Moore:
You want facts...read the newspaper.
jerry moore
9:32 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
You see Mr Griffiths, your comment...."You want facts...read the newspaper"
shows how inadequate you are as a writer of commentary. You might as well rely on the old Democrat & Liberal stand by when confronted by facts...Well everyone knows the Republicans do this...Everyone knows conservatives support that...
We're beyond the everyone knows assumptions.
Even a first year journalism student knows if you are going the write a criticizing article, be specific like, Whom exactly are these dastardly Republicans pushing these laws? Where exactly where are these bad deeds being perpetrated? Why do these laws exactly hurt Democrats but not Republicans?
You did not include any of these FACTS in your article, & I assume you don't care, looking at your various comments over time it is clear what your agenda is.
Bob Griffiths
9:55 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
TO: Jerry Moore
In the future it would be advisable that BEFORE you comment that you take the time to familarize yourself with the news events of the day, but in that you didn't bother to do that, this one time I will help you. But, in the future you might want to be informed enough on your own in order to provide a valid opinion. Here is some background info, try starting here. By the way, if you had taken the time to read my blog, you would have noticed that I made reference to sources within the blog.
2] http://www.thenation.com/blog/169733/bill-clinton-gop-voter-suppression-laws-sign-desperation
Lisa Marinos
8:04 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Jerry: I could n't agree with you more
Unfortunately, that is what I have noticed as well. Articles are written with no specifics, no facts, and it is quite nasty. Why do we have to read a blog (his blog) to get all the information
By-the-way Mr. Griffith, there was nothing in your article that gave any specifics up front. A good journalist would have completed the assignment with all the facts, specifics, details in the forefront NOT IN THE BACKGROUND. THIS IS THE ARTICLE WE ALL READ, AND IT WAS INCOMPLETE. The point is the next time you write an article, please include ALL the information UPFRONT....
11:06 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
since when does the news paper give you facts???? all lefties
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
You know that The Democrats dont like facts at all. They make up facts and decide what lies to tell. They have decided that its ok to downright LIE as no one will call them on it, ever especially in tnhe media, and most Dems arent very bright any way. its usually their way or the Highway. So you can say anything and a democrat will accept it, but a republican will look into the truth and research or google it to certain there is truth in the facts. And thats the fact jack!!
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
When did it become unfashionable to become moral, and honest and to live a nice drug free clean life? Hmmm was it when Clinton took on Monica and lied in office about it, or was it when the kennedys had the revolving door on the white house to woman all around the clock, hmmm and they said Nixon was a crook... Wow...at least we told Nixon he had to but the dems rallyied and continue to always to rally around their immoral leaders. kennedys, clintons Obamas.. to name a few..shmae shame on all of us for not protesting louder against the liars..show our protest this Novemeber
10:39 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Jerry Moore, if you do not know the facts behind this attack on voting rights you may have just crawled out from under a rock. The facts have been in every newspaper and on every media outlet.
Fact 1: There are less occurrences of voter fraud in the United States than blue moons... voter fraud is prosecuted and the number of cases range in the SINGLE digits. Actual cases of voter fraud are so minuscule it is ridiculous.
Fact 2: NONE of these cases would have been protected by ''voter fraud" legislation (laws). As a matter of fact these laws would not have stopped EVEN ONE of the tiny amount of voter fraud cases that came to light because all of those were double voting. Double voting is voting more than once in 2 separate districts. ID will not stop double voting as you can show your ID in both districts. Duh...
Fact 3: The Supreme court by unanimous decision found Texas and its voter ID law to be unconstitutional. This law would have required some of its citizens to travel up to 250 miles to obtain photo ID's, as most states do not have enough ID issuing sites.
Fact 3: Most of these new laws would hit college students who can no longer vote with their college or university ID and make them travel to their home district where they lived to vote. So, if you are going to college in CA and your parents live in NJ. You need to pay for a plane ticket home to vote. It is all purely stupid jabberwocky as voter fraud is about as common as walking on the blue moon.
Donna Griffin
12:53 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Melissa - Why is it that ID's were required to gain admission to the Democrat National Convention but not at the polls? How many fellow Democrats were disenfranchised in Charlotte? Shall we too eliminate the need for ID presentation when boarding an airplane?
11:06 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
liberals lie, and then they lie, and then they lie a little more. they can never win on the facts,
10:53 pm on Wednesday, September 12, 2012
Here, I will anticipate the next question: Why doesn't everyone have a photo ID? Because they do not need it to function...
a) They may live in a metro area and use public transportation, so why would you pay $52.00 to the state for something you don't need.
b) They are elderly and no longer drive, but will get a ride to vote
c) I did not have a photo ID for nearly 6 months due to an illness. You can function just fine without it, all you need to show is an ATM card and a credit card . These are both perfectly good forms of ID, if you do not have a photo ID. Most people are of the false impression that you need a photo ID to survive and you do not. If you should be asked for a photo ID, you just show an alternative form of ID by carrying a passport, ATM, birth certificate, or credit card. You can function just fine without a very expensive photo ID. You are welcome to try it for yourself. You will be just fine offering another form of ID.
jerry moore
9:42 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Melissa, Why would a photo ID burden Democrats more than Republicans?
Why exactly wouldn't a photo ID help to minimize fraud?
Your comment..."There are less occurrences of voter fraud in the United States than blue moons" How many occurances of fraud on our cornerstone of Democracy is acceptable? Since it is fraud how would you, or anyone else know how widespread it is? Since fraud, if properly executed would be undetected.
Bob Griffiths
9:59 am on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Jerry, come on, get with it.....read this...try to be informed, before you comment.
Chesty Puller
9:06 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
You can't use an ATM or a credit card for ID! Try doing that at the registry. Besides how did you get that ATM card? By opening a bank account. How did you open that bank account? First off by showing ID!
9:35 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Melissa, guess what else nobody needs to function? Health Insurance... Sure it's more beneficial to have but you don't need it to function. So if that can be mandated, and a penalty tax paid if you don't comply, why shouldn't a photo ID be shown for the ability to vote be required? But I am sure you will say health insurance for everyone is beneficial to everyone, well so is making sure that fraud is not being conducted while voting. There are many things in life no one needs to function but are required to have, so by saying "Because they do not need it to function... " is ludicrous. Oh and last time I checked a passport is a photo ID.
10:36 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Melissa,a family member just had surgery.In addition to his insurance card,he had to provide photo ID to prove he was the person named on the insurance card.So,if some elderly person who no longer drives ever needs surgery,he or she will have to obtain photo ID.
NBew Jersey Art
10:25 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Melissa - Voter ID laws do not make it more difficult for someone to vote, even if they don't have the required ID. Anyone whose right to vote is questioned can cast a provisional ballot and if the election is close, it will be investigated and counted. I never ceasse to be amazed why liberals object to limiting the franshise to people who are eligible to vote.
10:32 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
11:06 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
anyone can go to the DMV and get a photo ID for nothing, where the hell do you get 52.00 for an ID. you need ID for every dam thing now a days. can you take money out of your own bank account with out ID????? NO to get an atm card or a passport YOU NEED ID. W T H???? GET OVER IT. WHAT ARE WE HIDING???
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I still am not really certain why the Dems dont want proof of ID at voting arenas... Unless it disallows the dead,and illegals from voting or the Chicagoans from voting multiple times. Hmmm probably both
8:19 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Voter fraud doesn't exist? What is so wrong with making sure that only those who are eligible to vote, ... vote? Is it really too much to insist that those who vote be U.S. citizens, be residents of the district, be alive, not vote more than once? Why would anyone be against this? You would be if voter fraud is part of your regular playbook.
Just this week we see that Democrat candidate Rosen from Maryland for the U.S. House of Rep. had to drop out of the race because she was caught voting twice. Two different states.
Talk about voter suppression. Remember that close Presidential election we had a few years ago? it came down to a few ballots in Florida and it was the Democrats who tried to get absentee ballots from our U.S. servicemen and women thrown out because they tended to vote Republican.
Bob, you use ABC News as an unbiased source? Is that the same ABC News that conspired with other major network reporters on Romney's campaign plane to make sure they all ask that "gotcha" question? The whole thing caught on an open mike within the past day or two. [Dems seem to have a problem with open mikes.]
I believe the there has been no judgement on the PA case by the feds. Let's see how it plays out.
10:34 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Bob Griffiths
8:35 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
The only thing you said that was accurate is, "Voter fraud doesn't exist". Republicans are inventing a justification to allow them to trample on the Constitution and our right to vote. Being a good Ametican is more than wrapping yourself in the flag and calling yourself a sunshine patriot. Thank God for the Democratic Party because they understand what it truly means to be a patriot, a patriot stands up for the poor and the elderly and fights for their right to vote while the GOP only stands for their own partisan agenda.
Donna Griffin
12:57 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Bob Griffiths - You are the least logical presenter of arguments I have come across in my 52 years of life. Your agenda is so blatant it hurts my eyes. Please address the lack of disenfranchisement in EVERY other area in which ID's must be presented in everyday life. It seems that Democrats are only concerned when it comes to protecting voter fraud. Hmmm....can we put our collective heads together and ask why that might be?
NBew Jersey Art
10:32 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
The partisan Republican agenda - freedom of speech, freedom of religion, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, the Bill of rights, the Constitution, individual liberty. That is the partisan republican agenda. I kind of like it.
10:43 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Wally Wall
4:52 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
A Patriot went to a church for twenty years. The Rev. preaches " Not god bless America but god damn America " After 9-11 Americas chickens have come home to roost. The Patriots wife said ": this is the first time in my adult life I am proud of my country" A Patriot goes over seas and apoligizes for American exceptionalism. A Patriot demonizes someone for being successful. Is that the type of Patriot you are talking about ?
2:44 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Seriously. You need a photo ID to get a drivers license, open a bank account, withdraw your own funds from your bank account, to board a plane, to use your own health insurance at a doctors office or hospital, to cash a check, to get most jobs, to pick up concert/theatre tickets at will call, to be admitted to the Democratic National Convention and probably to apply for welfare, food stamps and energy assistance, to obtain a passport (which is a photo ID). No one seems to have a problem with showing a photo ID for these trivial things
Why would any honest American object to showing a photo I.D. to exercise their most precious right ?
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
You make me chuckle. I cannot believe how devoid of actual knowledge you are. I feel sorry for you however your the kind of a dolt that the lower level crowd devoid of knowledge and education actually believe. Thats where the danger lies..
9:09 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Thank you! "Voter fraud doesn't exist". That's right up there with telling business owners "You didn't build that". We'll be sure to remind you.
What to trade "good Americanisms"? I'll start. A good American is doing what is right for our children's future. It is not asking "what's in it for me" before you vote for someone. Who's trying to leave this country on a sound financial footing for our children? Not the Democrat Party.
Who are you to talk about caring for the poor and elderly? As a social worker I've made working for the poor my life's work. I also worked in a nursing home as a social worker. You have no idea of the value or lack of value of our social programs.
Bob Griffiths
11:46 pm on Thursday, September 13, 2012
Social worker...really...sympathy for the downtrodden is your speciality, who would have guessed?
5:33 am on Friday, September 14, 2012
I have the same insight as one of our former Presidents. He understood that the old system of handouts was not working. He sighed a bipartisan bill to change welfare. It required a recipiant to doing something to receive a check. They had to register with the Dpt. of Labor for either job training, job search, school, etc. They received travel vouchers to get to school. There were no more automatic increases in grant size for each additional child after they were granted welfare. They still received Medicaid and an increase in food stamps for the new child. This program worked. Welfare rolls dropped. I knew clients who decided to not increase the size of their families because they knew they would not receive more money. Some took advantage of the training and schooling and got jobs. I also had clients who had to give up all welfare benefits because the new requirements interfered with them going to their off the books unreported job. [There's that word again, fraud.] The new regulations worked. Thanks to that heartless Bill Clinton. Then Obama comes along and guts the work requirements. Obama also gutted the resource limit for those applying for food stamps. A person can now live in a million dollar home with several cars and a boat in the driveway and if he can hide his income he can collect food stamps. There's your increase if food stamp rolls.
No wonder Clinton is so popular. Obama and the far left crowd and you are so out of touch with what's right for America.
9:03 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Obama did not gut the work requirement for welfare. Every serious news outlet has debunked that story pushed by Romney as not just misleading, but an absolute lie.
Ironically, this week the GOP controlled House passed a bill that according to the House's own staff would do just that--eliminate the work requirement. It's unclear whether that is what the GOP intended or whether they were just incompetent in drafting the bill, but neither explanation is terribly reassuring. The only good news is that this bill will never be enacted into law.
Project Bluebeam
1:19 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
J: The TANF waivers were authorized by an Obama appointee who reports to him. How is he NOT accountable?
3:10 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
The waivers were requested by 3 Republican governors who wanted to try different avenues to get people back to work. Conservatives are always claiming that states should have more leeway to administer programs (and not just welfare programs) rather than the one-size-fits-all approach. So Obama gave them an opportunity to try it. You would think Republicans would be celebrating this, but to do that they would have to be capable of acting in good faith.
10:19 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
The "work" requirement might still be on the books but Obama authorized things like watching grass grow or paint dry as "work". That is only a slight exaggeration. It does include things like writing a journal. Really. Writing a journal. Most reasonable people would say that is gutting the work requirement.
jerry moore
10:05 am on Friday, September 14, 2012
If you call an article quoting Bill Clinton a source...OK. It was really just a report on Bill Clinton's opinion on the voter verification laws, not really too many actual facts in there. We know that Bill Clinton is unbiased in this...RIGHT.
Nobody really has addressed the main question...Why would these laws not equally burden Democrats & Republicans.
It would appear That the party that has the most to lose if Fraud is stopped, is the party that would oppose stopping voter fraud, & I guess we all know which party that is.
Shep Proudfoot
5:58 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Melissa- In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, the Supreme Court upheld state laws requiring citizens to disclose their identity to police when officers have reasonable suspicion to believe criminal activity may be taking place. Commonly known as "stop and identify" statutes, these laws permit police to arrest criminal suspects who refuse to identify themselves.
Currently the following states have stop and identify laws: AL, AR, CO, DE, FL, GA, IL, KS, LA, MO, MT, NE, NH, NM, NV, NY, ND, RI, UT, VT, WI- I bet NJ is next.
11:58 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Shep- that's not what Nevada law said. . .The Nevada Supreme Court has interpreted that "identify himself" to mean to merely state his name... so your spin here regarding the article's topic of photo ids' is stretching it?
Da Poppa
6:38 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
"... since 'we' got rid of Jim Crow laws?" Jim Crow laws, as were most voter suppression laws were written by the Democrats. Every single equal rights law were championed and passed by Republicans.
I have to ask, in the interest of full disclosure, who are you, what do you do and what is your political affiliation?
8:55 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
So your argument is, "Because Southern Democrats passed racist voting laws 120 years ago, it's acceptable for Republicans to do so now"? That's not a terribly persuasive argument.
Project Bluebeam
1:21 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
You need ID to cash a welfare check, right. Oh, pardon me, they use debit cards now. Slap a pic on the debit card and voila! the problem is remedied.
Da Poppa
6:52 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
And since we're citing articles on the web in support of our "argument" here's a piece from a typical left leaning news magazine, US World and News:
Why would the Republicans try to pass a law that would suppress a demographic that contains one of the single biggest right-leaning voter blocks, the military? Answer, they wouldn't.
And to show their true racist nature, the Democrats block every attempt to require voter ID laws? Why? Because it seems that the Dems argument is that only white middle class males are capable of figuring out how to get a drivers license. I have my "code cracker" and you're the racist, Griff:
Mitch G.
7:22 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
If a person is unable to pull themselves together and acquire a photo ID, do we really want them voting?
Da Poppa
8:31 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
I don't want to tread down the path of who can vote based upon their intelligence level. Suffice to say, anyone that is a legal resident and CITIZEN of the USA should be allowed to exercise their right to vote. Simply asking someone to show ID to get a beer, buy cigarettes, enter the Democratic National Convention or vote is not an attempt to restrict their right to vote. It's an attempt to protect the process from those that throughout history have shown a pattern of voter intimidation, polling abuses and fraud.
Just in case Griff doesn't known who I am referring to, that would be the party of racists, the Democrats, the party of Al Gore Sr., Robert "KKK" Byrd and others of their ilk.
8:31 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Voting fraud DOES exist.
Watch a WHITE guy, ask to vote in Eric Holders name....and poll workers comply. Just one example among many in the video.
ANYONE who says voter fraud DOESNT exist has his/her head in the sand.
9:57 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
"Do you really want to live in a country where one party is so desperate to win the White House that they go around trying to make it harder for people to vote if they're people of color, poor people or first generation immigrants?"[2]
I have no idea where anyone gets the idea that having to show an idea is somehow un-American, or even more ridiculous - racist.. If you want a job, you have to show ID -you want to buy Claritan, you have to show ID, you want a license - you have to show ID , you want to get on a plane, you have to show ID, you want to buy cigarettes, you need an ID, you want to buy booze, you need to show ID,you want to rent an apartment or buy a house, you need to show ID- yet - to vote - You somehow feel it is unnecessary? Just ignorant......
11:26 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
How soon that we forget the installation of Bruce Marks into the PA Senate by a Federal Court in 1993, overturning the fraudulent election of William Stinson!
That case even reached the Supreme Court of the US, where it was affirmed. The case was based on massive voter fraud and collusion by the Board of Elections.
Current photo IDs won't stop all voter fraud, but it would no doubt help stop much of it. There certainly has to be additional provisions to prevent all voter fraud. No system will ever be perfect, but current (or recently expired) ID can help stop many forms of voting fraud.
Two more recent instances of voter fraud by elected officials:
1) School board member votes in wrong town: http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2012/09/elizabeth_board_of_education_m.html
2) Congressional candidate votes in two states: http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910,0,3764352.story
As I said, photo ID's won't stop ALL voting fraud, but it will go a long way in reducing it.
11:26 am on Saturday, September 15, 2012
Bob Griffiths KNOWS voter fraud exists, but IGNORES it and LIES about it.
Here's the proof.
So Much to Say
12:59 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
I don't understand why anyone gives this Bob the crap slinging democRAT the time of day. He boring and a poor writer.
1:06 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
...I beg to differ with you. . .I think Mr Griffiths is an excellent writer. I don't always agree with his opinions, and people have the right to choose to comment, without your derogatory remark?
3:16 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
He should absolutely continue writing these articles. Some of the commenters could use an editor, but that's not his fault. Furthermore, I'd bet Patch would be more than willing to post conservative or libertarian commentaries if any of you are so inclined.
Grace Secula Hagemeyer
7:52 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
After I registered to vote many years ago, I received a "voter registration card". Why don't we just use those when we vote?
9:29 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
I got one, too, many years ago, but it didn't have a picture of me, no one ever asked to see it when I voted, and I have no idea where it is now. I suspect a lot of people would say the same.
11:51 pm on Saturday, September 15, 2012
There's an interesting opinion piece on voter suppression in Newsday that some of you need to read. The piece seems pretty well sourced. No pictures, sorry. http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/opinion-fight-voter-fraud-without-voter-suppression-1.4003085
Old Enough
12:34 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
I am not young, I am not elderly, but lately I am becoming more poor... so I suppose I am a victim of ID Voter suppresssion based on this articles point of view. I want to know why the young the old and the poor continue to vote democrat ? Also this article is referencing a impeached President that lied under oath while he was being investigated for very bad actions towards several women, let's not forget the desecration of the Oval Office with a very young female intern, and who was Disbarred from legally practicing law as a attorney "yeah a very good source to quote"!
10:18 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
Are you a senior citizen who has given up driving and no longer have a valid driver's license? Are you poor and can't afford car insurance or a car, living in a place you don't need a car, or so young that you haven't gotten a driver's license yet? Are you woman in a household where the man drives and the little woman needn't worry her little head about such things? Or are you a woman in a household where otherwise culturally you aren't permitted to have a permit? Those are many if not most of the specific criteria that make voter ID laws equivalent to voter suppression legislation, as if you didn't know. You're old enough to play around with the facts and try to confuse people. Just like Romney and Ryan. The source, by the way, was Newsday, so don't play the Kevin Bacon game with me. Are you paid by the Republicans to sow confusion or are you a Fox News hound?
Old Enough
11:11 am on Sunday, September 16, 2012
BARZILLAi... The article from which I am speaking is the one posted here in the patch not the newsday link, seems you are confusing and twisting the conjecture. It seems you think we are living in 1955 with the "little woman" staying submisssive jab ( paraphrasing )! I guess you never heard of absentee ballots or early voting. And no I'm not paid by the Republicans, I am being paid off by the current Administration with Unemployment Ins. I'd much rather work and earn a living on my own without that "government laser-like focus" which has been commonly repeated for 1,2,3,4 years now! The only lasers I see are lasers of econmic destruction and the breakdown of the family home and neighborhoods. That is American suppression and I do not have to be young, sick, old, Repub, Demo, Ind or car-less to observe facts in front of my face. I think you are being paid off just based on your accussation of me being paid off, it's the old accuse the other one of doing what you are doing routine, how much are you being paid to troll and attack when needed?
3:46 pm on Sunday, September 16, 2012
So you're unemployed and blame the President for it and you want to throw the bum out. Just keep in mind that the Republicans have committed to spending nothing on you and would sooner pass anti-abortion legislation than help you. They say Jobs Jobs Jobs but don't really mean it. If you want half a chance of getting a job, do your research and think long and hard about your vote in the fall.
Old Enough
2:18 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Barzillai, I've had 4 years of thinking long and hard, as well as witnessing this great nation becoming extinct. Lets agree and say it started before this current administration, with that stated, what I've seen is something I never thought could happen. When I was a child my friends and I feared Russia and the Nukes, we were well versed on how Ballisic Missles worked at age 12. Well we be beat that off and gave us a period of relative peace with good prevailing over tyranny.
Fast forward to current times which actually positions America as the evil tyrant and forces me now to fear my own Government/Homeland Security Agency. Never in my life until recently have I heard all walks of people fearing Martial law, Education camps, Sharia law, and Total Anarchy in America, you should be thinking long and hard and unite as an American and let everyone you know what is coming America's way! If people block out the Dem/Repub Logo's and open the mind we may be able to rescue this Nation from all out Hell which is becoming inevidible!
11:15 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Barzillai,we have a family member who became disabled and could no longer drive.He wanted to visit his daughter and her family in another state.He needed a photo ID in order to travel by air.His other daughter drove him to the local police station,where he was issued a gov't issued photo ID.It cost a few dollars.I coldn;t have been much,since he was unable to work for a long time and he was not wealthy by any means.When there's a will,there's usually a way.
John Jay
8:39 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Democrats Trample Truth. Example: Bob Griffiths -- You are the most historically ignorant person I've ever encountered on this little site. DEMOCRATS blocked the rights of women to vote for nearly 40 YEARS after a REPUBLICAN introduced the Constitutional Amendment to ensure voting rights.
Your other LIES about the GOP and voting rights are simply that, LIES. Let me educate you, plebe -- I defy you to prove me wrong otherwise:
* 1862 Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy "shall be forever free". 100% of Democrats opposed.
* 1865: REPUBLICANS get slavery outlawed via the 13th Amendment. 100% Republican support -- 63% Democrat OPPOSED IT.
* 1866 The REPUBLICAN Congress overrides DEMOCRAT President Johnson's veto of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to African-Americans.
* 1866: REPUBLICANS (94% vote YES) pass the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to ALL citizens -- Democrats who voted NO: 100%.
* 1878, California Republican A.A. Sargent introduces the 19th Amendment but it's blocked by the Democrat-controlled Congress (Done at the request by Susan B. Anthony)
* 1878 - 1919: Democrats repeatedly block the 19th Amendment. When they lose control of the Congress, the 19th Amendment is passed. Democrat Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED the amendment but was forced under public and political pressure to cave in.
John Jay
8:40 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Take you lies somewhere else Bob Griffiths...you will lose any attempt to defeat me or the truth.
John Jay
9:20 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
I defy Bob Griffiths to defend such racists as:
* Woodrow Wilson: Denied admission of Blacks as President of Princeton University. Close allies with the KKK and the racist D.W. Griffith whose movie, "Birth of a Nation" portrayed the KKK as celebrities and heros!
* Al Gore Sr.: Who never lifted a finger to stop the state birthday celebration of Nathan Bedford Forrest, the founder of the KKK. Al Gore Sr. refused to support Civil Rights legislation while in the Senate. He participated in a 74-day-long filibuster to delay and weaken the legislation!
* Robert Byrd: It was well-known Byrd was a recruiter for the KKK! Read what this pig wrote during WWII: "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." — Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Democratic Senator Theodore Bilbo of Mississippi.
Come on Bob! Deny it!
9:31 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Confronting Bob with facts is like turning a light on in a room full of cockroaches....they scatter and hide.
John Jay
9:45 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
bayboat: You are right on the money. If it's one thing I can't stand, it's a liar -- it's especially disgusting when the historical facts are burned into my mind like the Pythagorean equation of a2 + b2 = c2.
I don't hail every Republican as some demi-god, either. Nixon was a bum in my eyes. I can't say a nice word about the man -- and he was pretty nasty when it came to race and religion (just listen to the Watergate tapes or read the transcripts).
...but don't lie about this racist history of the Democrats. It's as plain as can be --- the apologists here make some lame claim about "Dixiecrats" migrating to the Republican Party -- that's a lie too! The real noteworthy Dixiecrat that crossed lines was Strom Thurmond -- and again, no love for the guy either (look at his marathon Civil Rights Act of '57 filibuster and you'll know what I mean.)
The overwhelming majority of the Dixiecrats STAYED PUT in with the Democrats.
I enjoy debates on military tactics, political ideas, and so on -- but for someone like
Bob Griffiths to be given space on Patch to lie about history simply turns my stomach.
10:31 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Dont forget Obamas racist "typical white person" remark.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Democrat dominated NJ Legislature was the ONLY one to ratify the Corwin Amendment...(now that's some nasty but obscure history). There were actually three [Thirteenth Amendments]. The one we know is the only one that was ratified.
Worth a quick look at the books. Funny what you learn there, rather than in the local fish-wrapper.
Republicans are about to have a bad day in Trenton on the Third - stay tuned.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
10:45 am on Monday, September 17, 2012
Here's a question for BOTH sides of this "discussion". HOW MANY TIMES should the ballot of an individual voter be counted in a primary election? This seems like an insipid question, I know - "One man, one vote" is the goal, right?
The same ideal proponents of a voter ID law espouse.
The same ideal folks asking for (and, in my opinion, rightly) latitude in obtaining military absentee ballots, so as not to disenfranchise those who serve, propose.
Can we agree that, when you walk into the polls in a primary election, you are a single voter? Can we agree that your vote for candidates for President, Vice President, Senator, Congressman, Freeholder(s), Sheriff, Mayor, Council Persons, and even Dog-Catcher, represent you as a single voter?
Discuss...(there is a VERY important reason I am asking this.)
12:09 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
John Jay- Mr Griffiths is talking about "present day" Republicans and their concerted attempts to limit minorities and the poor. . .the right to vote. And to turn the tables on your argument. . .it was the Republican Party of olde who championed the voting rights amendment. . .So where is this olde Republican Party today that should be standing up for the rights of minorities, the poor, and the elderly to empower their Constitutional right to vote?
jerry moore
8:58 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Once again Spooner, just like Mr. Griffiths you are accusing the GOP of limiting Minorities voting, & not standing up for minorities rights...Without one bit of proof, just liberal BS, the 'Everyone Knows How These Republicans are' crap that we are just supposed to take at face value without one ounce of actual proof.
How about this George W. Bush spent more on the types of programs that typically help minorities like early Education, school breakfasts, ETC. than any previous President, Democrat or Republican...I guess someone failed to inform him of his supposed role as the Republican Boogeyman..poor misguided Conservative!
10:11 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
jerry- I'm laughing even more!. . .Yeah right those Republicans like Governor Tom Corbett of the in play state of Pennsylvania according to Flop News...along with his GOP controlled legislature had nothing to do with the voter id law there. . .What world to you habitat in?
Clarence Oveur
12:19 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
It's a shame that Nathan Bedford Forrest's "claim to fame" in this day and age is as founder of the Klan. The guy was a helluva cavalry commander whose tactics are still taught at West Point.
As far as the whole voter ID thing is concerned... You really should have to show ID to vote. If voting is a right, then a provision needs to be made to provide ID for those unable to obtain it on their own, but... It should be required.
Joey Bagdano
12:45 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
Hey Bob, I want to see you with a placard sign outside my town. They require me to show NJ DL when I vote. I mean this is an outrage. Not like Newark, Trenton and Camden where little or no iD is required. Funny how pollsters show little or no turnout there yet the ballots number in the 10s of 1000s and, wow, they all vote for democrats. Go figure. Hmmm, how are those bastions of democrat rule looking these days. Squalor and rampant crime and democrat rule are what they are known for (didnt mayor of Trenton just get indicted).
8:00 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
I walk into my polling place, I state my name to the lady or man behind the table with the big ol' book in front of them (either the A-L book, or the M-Z book), they find my name, I sign my signature next to my printed name, they hand me some sort of 5 x 8" card to show I've signed in. From there and I walk off to stand in the line to vote and give the card to the person waiting directly outside the voting machine. I close the curtain and I vote. Never once do I show ANY ID to anyone. None.
They already have my name in the big book of registered voters, and I merely identified myself verbally. If they couldn't find my name in the book, I assume there would be further ID needed or questioned at that point. But this is exactly how easy it SHOULD be.
Donna Griffin
9:59 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mattie - So, if I were to walk into your polling center and present myself as Mattie, couldn't I place your vote? Only 61% of registered voters actually showed up at the polls in 2008. I could have used any one of the remaining 39% of voters' names and cast ballots at their polling centers. ID presentation is a no brainer. Explain one more thing to me....if it is disenfranchising to present IDs at the polls, why did the Democrat National Convention require photo ID presentation for admission into their event in Charlotte? Was it a deliberate effort to keep out the poor and minority population? Demonstrating hypocricy is the mantra of the new Democratic party. At least be honest about their double standard.
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Donna I see what you are saying... I do. But in reality, voter fraud is so low, and I mean statistically speaking, SO LOW, it is fundamentally declared "Non Existent". It has never been "a problem" in America before, and is not "a problem" now. This is the point many liberals, as well as some conservatives, have been trying to make.... that the NEW laws they want to implement aren't necessary, never were necessary and won't BE necessary in the near future. People just don't care enough to "steal" votes from neighbors or unsuspecting non-voters. There is nothing 'in it' for them.
Voter Fraud is a fabricated problem. The solution for this fabricated problem is merely a cover story for a less than innocent agenda.
Donna Griffin
10:24 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
"Statistically low" voter fraud easily could make the difference in local and primary elections. I agree that it would be unlikely in a presidential election but the vision of people counting hanging chads in Florida leads me to think that our voting process needs to be cleaned up. The most reasonable start, in my humble opinion, is to make sure the person casting the vote is indeed the legally, eligible voter showing up at the poll. Why there is disagreement in this regard is staggering to me. Again, I must ask you why the DNC felt it was appropriate to require IDs to enter their "convention" but not the polling centers? That is logic that escapes me. I won't even go into voter intimidation at the polls, e.g. Philadelphia. How our justice department does not hold up existing laws across the board leads me to think that their enforcement is selective, deliberate and diametrically opposed to the democratic process our founding fathers had in mind.
John Jay
3:42 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
100-plus years of championing voting rights deservedly belong to the Republicans. You can't splice the hairs on this, Spooner. The Republican Party lost the PR war against the Democrats, which is a shame.
So are you trying to say showing ID TAKES AWAY voting rights? In this day of identity theft, it's reassuring that there are people with enough common sense to require ID.
I have to show ID when I vote, Spooner -- and sign the log book with an image of signature -- even though the same group of seniors who run the polls know me by name.
The Democrats hate the ID legislation because it de-rerails their attempt to steal elections using whatever means possible.
So go away, Spooner. You don't have facts or history on your side.
John Jay
3:54 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
The GOP is PROTECTING honest voters by forcing the hand of the historically corrupt practices of Democrats!
4:05 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
The events of the day, as Mr. Griffiths so declares, are that the sovereign states are enforcing the voting laws as laid out by the Federal Government. The Federal Law says that you must be a US citizen and be at least eighteen years of age to vote. It then places the enforcement of this upon the individual states.
So, by making sure that people are legally allowed to vote, the sovereign states are just enforcing the Federal law. No one is taking away anyone's right to vote. If you can apply for welfare, for disability, for food stamps, have a mailing address or p.o. box, a social security number, then you can very easily acquire the necessary verification of citizenship and age to be able to vote.
But then, since The Patch is owned by Huffington, we can't go spreading the truth now, can we?
7:09 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Once again, rude, uninformed, ill-informed, knee-jerk, name-calling, bigoted TEABAGGERS come out in force to debase and denigrate others' opinion -- instead of simply stating their own (opposing) opinion and backing it up with FACTS or CITATIONS.
Never before in my life have I ever been *this* disgusted and yes, actually afraid of where our country is headed - because of the likes of Teabaggers and Right-wing extremists. You guys are the "American Taliban" and you are not good for this society or our future.
Itchy Foot Moe
7:34 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mattie, if you look up the definition of "irony" in an online dictionary, it points directly to your post.
Donna Griffin
7:40 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mattie - Remind me again....who are the "name-callers?"
7:51 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
My words are describing / labeling your BEHAVIOR * as observed *.
I'm not calling you, as in personally YOU, "stupid", "dense", "ignorant" "pig" etc. See? there is a difference.
Another example, Someone calls a black man a "n***er"... I say that someone is a "racist" -- that doesn't make ME a 'name caller' does it? No it doesn't. Difference.
Donna Griffin
8:22 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mattie - I think that "Teabagger" does that in your instance. Have a nice day :)
8:25 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
@itchy Foot Moe, exactly. I think hypocrite does as well.
9:45 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mattie,I am a registered Democrat who doesn't just vote for the candidate from that party.I am certainly not a member of the Tea Party.Now,please tell me what is wrong with a registered voterbeing required to present a photo ID to prove that he or she is the person whose name appears in the voting registry?
7:42 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
This blog is laughable. Maybe we should discuss Acorn and list some REAL facts. Libbys seldom want to tell the whole truth or the whole story which is the same as lying. You know who else typically vote Democrat? Teachers on every level, especially in college. This probably accounts for this uninformed writer's claim that young people typically vote that way as well. Libby's don't care about anyone's rights. They care only about how THEY see things and if you don't see them the same way then it won't just be a simple agreement; you will become the enemy. It's all venom and lies. Bob, calling you a fool would be an insult to fools.
7:43 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
excuse me: Simple agreement should be simple disagreement.
8:16 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
This whole argument about requiring an ID being suppression is ridiculous-The fear is that they will no longer get the voters anymore who are dead, yes there's lots of them voting every election, those illegally in the US, the criminals who have lost the right to vote and others who value voting so highly that they can't be bothered to register ahead of time. It's time to stop the fraud already! You need an ID now for everything, you can't get on a plane without one, NJ required ALL drivers to get one with a photo years ago, I know I had to go because I am old! and if they don't have one well it's time they get one, for many many reasons. Out of state Students can vote very easily by mail-again they need to think two seconds ahead of time if it's important to them. Those that don't shouldn't vote!
8:20 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
An attack on Republicans without any SUBSTANCE from a Democrat.
Wouldn't you know?
This read was child-like.
John Jay
8:40 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Are you claiming the timeline I posted was wrong, Mattie? I defy you to prove it wrong.
The term you are labeling members of the Tea Party movement is associated with a perverted sexual act. I suggest you try a different approach, like facts and logic so that you don't look so foolish next time.
"Mattie 7:09 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 Once again, rude, uninformed, ill-informed, knee-jerk, name-calling, bigoted TEABAGGERS come out in force to debase and denigrate others' opinion -- instead of simply stating their own (opposing) opinion and backing it up with FACTS or CITATIONS."
8:42 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
How about all the people that don't get off their buts and vote. We have an embarrassing amount of people who don't bother to vote. I understand it is not possible for everyone to vote at every election. I myself missed election day when I had to leave town for a family funeral several years ago.By the way it is ridiculous that with the technology we have these days we still can't vote some way in an emergency situation like I had. Actually there should be some way college students and others that are unable to go to their local polls be able to vote besides a mail in absentee ballot. There are to many problems with the mail to depend on it to vote. We can buy any crap we want with a push of a button but they can't find a way to fix this issue for people who can't get to their polls? We have more problems than just ID with our voting system but there isn't enough space to list them here.
ed crowley
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Students can register at the school they attend and vote there.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
10:47 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Ed - trouble with that is it makes it impossible for them to vote in their hometown at the LOCAL level. If you were a candidate in Absecon in the 1980's, when Stockton's population of registered voters exceeded that of the town, would you have preferred that those students all vote in Absecon? Meanwhile, we disenfranchise them at home. I agree that there are too many problems with the mail, however.
John Jay
8:43 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Mattie -- I defy you to prove one error in fact in my post (that was posted yesterday).
Let me educate you, plebe:
* 1862 Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy "shall be forever free". 100% of Democrats opposed.
* 1865: REPUBLICANS get slavery outlawed via the 13th Amendment. 100% Republican support -- 63% Democrat OPPOSED IT.
* 1866 The REPUBLICAN Congress overrides DEMOCRAT President Johnson's veto of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to African-Americans.
* 1866: REPUBLICANS (94% vote YES) pass the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to ALL citizens -- Democrats who voted NO: 100%.
* 1878, California Republican A.A. Sargent introduces the 19th Amendment but it's blocked by the Democrat-controlled Congress (Done at the request by Susan B. Anthony)
* 1878 - 1919: Democrats repeatedly block the 19th Amendment. When they lose control of the Congress, the 19th Amendment is passed. Democrat Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED the amendment but was forced under public and political pressure to cave in.
type writer
8:56 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
said Township Administrator Scott Pezarras. "My father and teachers always told me to leverage, if you can buy things with others people's money, then do it.
Liberals love to spend other peoples money
9:02 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
liberal battle cry...my name i jimmy and gimmy,gimmy,gimmy.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
10:47 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I would listen to Jean Paul Getty, instead, who said "I buy what appreciates, and leverage what depreciates". He also said, when asked why he never attended Business School 'When I need an accountant, I BUY one'.
John Jay
9:08 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
The objective of the Socialist/Democrats is to create a dependent class of people -- a MOB -- that they can use as a weapon against the honest, working people.
It's one of the oldest, dirty tricks in the political book.
9:47 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Right,Johnmost Democrats don't work and the ones who do don't work hard and they are not honest.
John Jay
10:03 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
marylou -- Your ignorant statement demonstrates you are politically naive. The Socialist/Democrats tactic manual is pretty simple:
* ad hominem attacks
* race-card
* class warfare
* deliberate lies
They "leaders" of today's Socialist/Democrats are followers of Saul Alinsky -- the Leftist who wrote "Rules for Radicals" -- which is the playbook for people of Obama's ilk. Alinsky was a long-time Chicago radical.
Another hero of Obama is William Ayers -- another Chicago radical and unconvicted terrorist who dedicated a book to Sirhan Sirhan (assassin of Robert Kennedy). Ayers and his wife are responsible for numerous terrorist bombings in the US and the murder of American citizens.
Do you want to challenge me on this, too? Seriously -- you are like the Monty Python Black Knight. Your arms and legs are gone, but you still keep going! Laughable!
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
John,you do a pretty good job at attacking those who dare to disagree with you as well.And some of the wingnut,TPers are racist and tell liesYour side has many radicals and many think you are 1 of them.You know what they say about people who live in glass houses.JC Penney called again.You still haven't picked up that nice little silver colored hat you ordered.
John Jay
10:08 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
The "Democrats" on Patch are woefully uneducated on basic fundamentals of U.S. history and our Constitution. It's starting to get boring exposing this -- so if I don't reply to quickly, it's because they are such easy targets!
jerry moore
10:17 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
10:11 pm on Monday, September 17, 2012
jerry- I'm laughing even more!. . .Yeah right those Republicans like Governor Tom Corbett of the in play state of Pennsylvania according to Flop News...along with his GOP controlled legislature had nothing to do with the voter id law there. . .What world to you habitat in?
... You're probably laughing because you're hooked up to a nitreous Oxide mask or something, your comment had absolutely nothing to do with what I had commented on, but now that you mention Gov. Tom Corbett & the Republicans,,,I say bully for them they are doing the right thing & you have presented no argument that supports ID equals suppression, or that such laws inconvenience Democrats, poor...ETC. more so than it inconveniences Republicans.
Once again I say the party (Democrats) that opposes tighter voter controls is the party that benefits from voter fraud the most.
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
jerry- you want...as you put it "voter control". . .then amend the voting rights Constitutional law, so those edicts apply to all states. . .and not before a Presidential election, that will cause state laws to be "party discriminatory" towards a national candidate. The law has to be impartial throughout the states. . .they call that "equality of justice for all". . .
10:20 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
You Teapublicans crack me up. You are either deliberately dishonest or blind. Yes, I understand that facts tend to frighten and confuse you but facts don't disappear. It's really nothing more than a desperate ploy of a pathetically desperate party.
10:36 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
HA!! You blab about facts and then offer up three opinion pieces. Do you know what "fact" means?? Thanks for playing, but you've done more for our argument than yours Beach Naive.
Bob Griffiths
10:29 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Many of the comments in reference to my blog are thoughtful and well stated, others are not. Despite claims of "liberal lies" not one of my points, observation, or opinions was proven to be based on inaccuracies. The history of our great nation is one of political debate, from debates between patriots and loyalists to the Federalist Papers, there is a proud tradition of political expression. Name calling and personal attacks are the tools of the thoughtless and uninformed and do not represent the best of us or the best that we can be as a nation and people. It would be helpful if Patch would show respect for their own guidelines and filter the personal attacks and name calling.
Joe Cool
10:41 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
It's funny Bob, you post your liberal nonsense, knowing it will start a war of words and then say be nice to each other. Stop all your hate speech, it brings no value to this world. You act like being anything other than a Democrat is wrong, your blog doesn't unite people or thoughts, it's only intention to push people further apart. We all know your opinion, no need to re-hash it every 5-6 days...enough already
10:46 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
What was so different about comparing Republicans to the Taliban? What's so wrong about asking someone who's going to potentially affect the outcome of an election to prove who they are and that they are legitimate? Finally, you failed to support your claims and apparently failed to read the comments where your claims were debunked. Or, in typical liberal fashion, you chose to ignore them.
John Jay
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Bob Griffiths, your thoughts are ignorant and deny American history. Republicans serving as the vanguard for voting and civil rights for women and African-Americans. So, I defy you again to prove the following facts are wrong:
* 1862 Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy "shall be forever free". 100% of Democrats opposed.
* 1865: REPUBLICANS get slavery outlawed via the 13th Amendment. 100% Republican support -- 63% Democrat OPPOSED IT.
* 1866 The REPUBLICAN Congress overrides DEMOCRAT President Johnson's veto of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to African-Americans.
* 1866: REPUBLICANS (94% vote YES) pass the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to ALL citizens -- Democrats who voted NO: 100%.
* 1878, California Republican A.A. Sargent introduces the 19th Amendment but it's blocked by the Democrat-controlled Congress (Done at the request by Susan B. Anthony)
* 1878 - 1919: Democrats repeatedly block the 19th Amendment. When they lose control of the Congress, the 19th Amendment is passed. Democrat Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED the amendment but was forced under public and political pressure to cave in.
10:43 am on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Really, Bob? You responded to one of my comments early on "Voter fraud doesn't exist". Repeat that for us. Do you really want to bring up ACORN?
BTW, I also work the polls on election days and I see how easy it would be to cheat, especially if I were of the same party of the voter.
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
...maybe you should bring that up to the Monmouth County Board of Elections. . .on how it's so easily to cheat. Let me see you go to the polls, and if the voter roll book requests an ID you need to show it...right!. Then if it doesn't, you as an inspector certify that the signature of the voter signing the book matches, by initialing next to their name. So what are you saying: that a Republican inspector which there are two at each table along with two Democratic inspectors are all going to get together and let people come there and vote using false signatures...putting themselves in jeopardy with the law. . .is that what you do 'jersyswamps'. . .put yourself and your coworkers in jeopardy to commit fraud? Remember those books are checked it there are challenges. . .and all inspectors having access are liable.
7:59 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Each district has 4 poll workers, 2 Dems and 2 Rep. 2 books, each with 1/2 the alphabet. 2 voting machines. Usually 1 worker at each booth which is away from the books. So you have 2 people at the books but they don't look over each others shoulders. And when things are busy they don't have the time. You also have a 4 hour window between noon and 5 p.m. when 1 poll worker goes to lunch so now you have only 3 workers.
Someone who is active in politics and the community could know who is not going to vote. Perhaps the person is sick, home bound, dead, etc. A poll worker could tell some people to come to her table, give the names she knows won't be in and only she will see the person sign.
Then you have absentee ballots.
Then you have people voting in more than one district. Like the DEMOCRAT running for Congress in Maryland who got caught and had to drop out of the race.
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Really? The poor have to show ID to get food stamps and welfare so it should be no problem. This is a big smokescreen for the democrats to be able to mobilize legions of illegal aliens to vote for them. It will also allow " democrat community organizers" to pay the same people to vote over and over again. Showing ID and verifying residency should not be a problem for any legitimate voter. Progressive liberals are willing to do anything to achieve their dream of a socialist utopia in the USA. The problem is when you finally run out of other peoples money. This election is for the very survival of the USA as a Constitutional Republic, make no mistake about it. Financial collapse is around the corner if Obama is allowed to continue fundamentally transforming America. http://bit.ly/Qlkcsc
John Jay
2:12 pm on Tuesday, September 18, 2012
Bob Griffiths, your thoughts are ignorant and deny American history. Republicans serving as the vanguard for voting and civil rights for women and African-Americans. So, I defy you again to prove the following facts are wrong:
* 1862 Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy "shall be forever free". 100% of Democrats opposed.
* 1865: REPUBLICANS get slavery outlawed via the 13th Amendment. 100% Republican support -- 63% Democrat OPPOSED IT.
* 1866 The REPUBLICAN Congress overrides DEMOCRAT President Johnson's veto of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 which gave citizenship to African-Americans.
* 1866: REPUBLICANS (94% vote YES) pass the 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to ALL citizens -- Democrats who voted NO: 100%.
* 1878, California Republican A.A. Sargent introduces the 19th Amendment but it's blocked by the Democrat-controlled Congress (Done at the request by Susan B. Anthony)
* 1878 - 1919: Democrats repeatedly block the 19th Amendment. When they lose control of the Congress, the 19th Amendment is passed. Democrat Woodrow Wilson OPPOSED the amendment but was forced under public and political pressure to cave in.
7:59 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
What's wrong with requiring photo identification from voters?
There are many thousands of Americans who have the same rights as you and I who do not have the kind of identification that politicians want to require. Something between 10-11 percent of Americans.
Who falls into this category?
Disproportionately certain groups, particularly African-Americans, Latinos, young people, and people with disabilities—the types of groups that tend to vote, frankly, Democratic. Because there's not a big problem of fraud at the polls that this would address, the only conclusion that you could come to is that they're trying to purposefully keep out of the system people they don't want voting.
8:18 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Mattie, I'm calling BS on your argument (I'm sure you're used to that). Maybe if you could provide some supportive information and references, but I doubt that you can. What we are used to, is the left voicing their strong opinions and attempting to pass them off as fact. I know it works when you talk amongst yourselves and that Bill Maher has made a living doing it, but it really isn't fooling anyone outside of your silly circle.
8:57 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
NJarhead. Link provided below . US News and World Report. My two posts came out in reverse order.... but if you had read them both carefully you might have figured that out. Thanks. Just because you call BS, doesn't meant you're right.
10:24 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Mattie, nice try, but again my Libby friend, that is an "opinion piece." You folks really don't know what a fact is, do you.
7:59 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
there IS no voter fraud.... see: http://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2012/04/24/the-myth-of-voter-fraud
Then why is there a public perception that there's a problem?
I think there are a lot of political leaders who have perpetuated this myth for partisan purposes, and when you look at it superficially it's a believable argument. But they tend to conflate the different types of fraud that could occur in the election system and sort of mix together voter registration fraud, and voter absentee fraud, and other types of issues, and stir it all up in a pot, and come up with voter identification requirements that would do nothing to address the relatively minor problems that we have in the system.
What's going on with voter ID requirements?
We have seen an incredible wave of legislation since the 2010 elections, when Republicans took over a number of state legislatures. A number of states have passed ID legislation in the past year and a half or so. And now I think you're starting to see a backlash, particularly in the courts, where judges are looking at the evidence and saying, this is discriminatory, this is voter suppression, and there's no need for it.
[Susan Milligan: What James O'Keefe Gets Wrong About Voter Fraud]
wheres murrow?
7:59 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Pa. Supreme Court remanded the case back to the lower court. Step in the right direction.
7:59 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
What a lame argument. It is clear that the only way Democrats feel they can win is to cheat. You need a picture ID to get on a plane, rent a car, check into a hotel, pick up tickets from a box office, but the Democrats don't want to have people show ID for one of the most important, precious acts in life - voting. Hey Bob Griffiths, instead of trying to help Democrats cheat, why not fight for the right to have our brave soldiers votes count? Or are you afraid they won't vote the same as illegals, felons or the deceased in Chicago?
Lisa Marinos
8:18 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
How does everyone like what's going on in the media? It looks bad for Romney. CNN, CNBC channels, 2,4,7 all ripping him apart, and I can't watch. The same thing happened last election with McCain. You can't say anything about Tephlon OBAMA. He's untouchable.
John Jay
8:57 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Lisa Marinos -- The biased "news" media have people in leadership positions that are obviously skilled in psychological operations (PSYOPs).
What is their goal? Well, it certainly isn't the security of our liberty! Name ONE THING Obama and his allies have done to improve our liberty?
It's obvious "they" don't want people to become better informed and to have the ability to critically analyze the erosion of our liberty, economy, and position in the world.
10:24 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
The "biased" news media you Repubs complain about are simply biased in favor of getting sunlight on the facts.
There's no "grand conspiracy" just because Repubs don't want the facts known. When Mitt says one thing (actually, several flip-flops) and the facts prove otherwise, that's not bias by a reporter, or an editor, or the publisher. That's just the truth, like it or not, Repubs!
Don't blame the messenger -- blame the source. Hold your canddiates responsible for their flip-flops, their distortions and their outright lies in a desperate attempt to brainwash voters. Put a fork in 'em. Mitt and Lyin' Ryan are done. The media simply reports the sad story.
11:06 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
That's laughable. Ask Bill Clinton if he thinks Obama received unfair media bias in 2008. Actually, watch a little film called "Media Malpractice" (created by a Democrat) and you can view the footage of Clinton explaining how obvious it was himself. You Lefty's always yap about facts, but then shove opinions by your group leaders in our faces. All the while IGNORING facts. For instance, Obama knew three days (?) in advance about the pending attacks on our Embassy. Where is THAT in the media? All of the American headlines read Romney is done. Whereas headlines in the U.K. show polls where Romney is actually gaining. Hmmmmm
10:17 am on Monday, September 24, 2012
...Romney's ineptness has become the news. He's like a one man producer-director-actor expos'e for the Enquirer?
10:17 am on Monday, September 24, 2012
NJarhead- what's your source...claiming President knew three days before Benghazi attacks?
10:24 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
So going back to what I was saying about educators being liberal and pushing their influence on our youth...: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/college-prof-on-leave-after-forcing-students-to-sign-pledge-to-vote-for-obama/
Bob Griffiths
10:13 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Unfortunately for candidate Romney he is now learning a tough lesson; the lesson is that when you run for President or serve as our President, you are in the eye of the storm, the media storm. Everything you say and everything you do is analyzed. Romney needs to realize that being President is not like running Bain Capital. At Bain Capital he could dictate, hire a PR Firm to do the dirty work or simply sell or outsource as he pleased with no concern for the "little" people. But as President of the United States, those "little" people, that 47% of Americans that he looks down his nose at, count and are deserving of his respect. So instead of complaining about the "big, bad media, Romney needs to man up and realize that if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen…and one more thing, Romney should never speak before you knows the facts because Americans are in harm's way and if the President shoots and aims later their lives are at stake, not his.
10:24 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
No, Romney should not have to worry about media bias, but he does. It is an injustice to, not only him, but to all of us. Speaking of not being able to stand the heat, Obama has spent the last three and a half years crying about Bush while doing nothing to improve our economy and extending our debt.
10:17 am on Monday, September 24, 2012
...that's not true. You keep giving us Republican boiler plate talking points. The Presidential evidence although stunted by the Republican right in the Congress, has managed to still restore over 4M private sector jobs. The Republican goal in 2010...right out of Mitch McConnell's mouth, was to ensure Obama's defeat! And there latest vote on VA jobs, said it all. . .there not going to live that down?
John Jay
10:24 am on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
Keeping using those "class warfare" talking points from the DNC, Bob Griffiths!
jerry moore
4:52 pm on Wednesday, September 19, 2012
In the 2004 presidential election, the major "unbiased" news media reported, before the polls even closed in the west, that John Kerry had a 'significant' lead of more than 10 points in exit polling in Virginia & other states. The facts were that John Kerry lost Virginia by more than 10 points, and that was the trend in Virginia from when the first votes were coming in through the whole night.
If you know anything about polls, they are usually + or - about 3 points, if conducted objectively. So how was the news media off by more than 20 points?
Were they trying to influance the election? Are they that incompetant? or are they Democrat/liberal biased? No matter what they were NOT reporting the news. This is only one of many such instances, I challenge anyone to find such instances in FAVOR of a Republican or Conservative in major news media.
7:12 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
In our little town, the democrats recruit UNDERAGED voters to flat out lie on their voting application and get a card so they can vote....for them. The underaged dummies show up at the polls and say "ok, now what do I do? who am I voting for?" and, the democrats who set them up get MAD if you call them out on it. People are just idiots.....nothing else. Who cares if you're a D or an R, an idiot begins with an I.
8:48 am on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Republicans just killed the Veterans Jobs Bill ! A Disgrace, Vote Them Out !!!
12:19 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Nah, vote Obama out of the White House instead:
12:37 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Republicans need to cheat to win as No serious voter fraud exists. Why make people jump through hoops?
12:37 pm on Thursday, September 20, 2012
Republicans just killed the Veterans Jobs Bill, A Disgrace, Vote Them Out !!!
2:44 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Tonto, this is the same uninformed dribble you used to clog up the pages of the APP with. No substance, not thought, no supportive information, just ignorance. Familiarize yourself with ACORN if you want to discuss cheating to win.
John Jay
2:44 pm on Friday, September 21, 2012
Democrats killed America in 2008. Vote them out and we'll revive America!
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
...there's no help for your delusional thinking. . ."Democrats killed America". . .your way over the top with the rhetoric!
10:17 am on Monday, September 24, 2012
Fox "News" owned by Murdoch is jeopardy of losing it's broadcasting license because of Murdoch tapping phones in England.
Bayville for 40 years
9:04 am on Wednesday, September 26, 2012
Bob Griffiths,
Candidly - your intital argument was boring and subsequent rebuttals rather childish. I am guessing that you are a member of the teachers union, or gorvernment employee.
Regardless, I am impressed that you can type at the same time you have your hand out.
I would suggest that you address further opinion to the editor of the NY Times. Their readership is more akin to your "opinions".
Me - in one word regarding your recent rants -- "Yawn".
Have a great day - and with all your leaning - don't fall off the edge
NBew Jersey Art
9:51 am on Friday, September 28, 2012
Bayville - your comments are spot on. Except in one respect. Teachers and government employees are not the enemy. The unions and the union leadership are. My wife retired from teaching and I retired from government employment. Neither one of us had any use for union thugs or for the fact that instead of acting on behalf of their members and working for better wages and conditions of employment, the unions spent most of their time and their membership's dues supporting left wing candidates and issues that are completely irrelevant to the needs of the membership.
Bob Griffiths
11:43 am on Sunday, September 30, 2012
Republicans are so desperate to win the Presidency that they trampling on the Constitution and trying to destroy our democratic process. Republicans are trying to keep the Libertarian Party candidate for President, Gary Johnson, off the ballot in states such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, and DC by filling one legal challenge after another against the Libertarian candidate endorsed by Ron Paul. Another Republican attempt to deny American citizens of their right to vote.
Bill Storm,
8:47 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Bob you had better take the blinders off. Everyday we have to prove who we are, traffic stops, hospital care, cashing checks, credit card purchase, enter a public building such as a courthouse, police station, federal building, etc. Come out of the house once in a while and find out about life. If you want to vote then prove who you are and that you have the right to vote or maybe you forgot about the 50's, 40's when people in NJ, Chicago, Detroit and parts of NYC voted 2 or 3 times andf even the dead voted.
Bob Griffiths
9:09 am on Monday, October 1, 2012
Before you preach to anyone, you take the blinders off and look at the Republican voter registration fraud in Florida. Republicans know their policies of "corporate welfare" will not win popular support so they are trying to suppress the popular vote, this is the most important civil rights issue of our time. In addition, Republican efforts to block college students from voting on campus is Un-American.
John Jay
1:51 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
"Suppress the vote"??? Prove it Bob! Give us an FBI Civil Rights Division Report that SPECFICALLY NAMES PEOPLE BY NAME who:
* Were directed by ANYONE in a leadership position within the Republican National Committee that have been indicted, tried, and/or convicted for:
A) Voter "suppression"
B) Disenfranchisement on college campuses.
Prove it Bob -- I defy you to produce it -- If you can't then you are obviously sending out false information.
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
John- all you have to do is just follow the money. . .that is proof of where the impetus is coming from. . .Republican 101
1:51 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Bob Griffiths...
I'm sorry to say it Buddy, but you are wasting your time and your typing fingers. These people (arguing with you and opposing your facts and opinions with hysterics and half-truths) have been completely - and irreversibly- indoctrinated.
It's useless. Save yourself the aggravation and frustration.
But know this, Bob, there are those of us out here who DO agree with you, and DO understand the finer points to these discussions, and DO know that not everything is Black and White, Right and Left, etc. So know that You are not alone. I think many of us are just tired of slamming our heads against this brick wall over and over again. It's disheartening and depressing there are so many Teabaggers hijacking an otherwise fairly sane and rational political party that once was called "the Republican party"
Bob Griffiths
2:18 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I focus on one manta and that is...keep chopping.
NBew Jersey Art
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
I agree with you that it is disheartening and depressing. What you don't understand is that a fairly sane and rational political party that was once called "the Democratic Party" has been hijacked by radical, extremist, leftist ideologues whose stated goal is to fundamentally change this country and whose actions portend a nanny state, cradle to grave collectivism. I also agree with you that it is impossible to debate reasonably with people of that ilk since, as elitists, they can brook no disagreement with what they see as their inherent right to tell everybody else what to do. I'm going to go have a 20oz. Coke instead of continuing this.
1:51 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Romney very, very well prepared for Debates, he Should do well.
Uncle Moe
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Bob, so do Democraps. THE ILLEGITAMATE TWO PARTY SYSTEM IS GUTTING THIS COUNTRY. Obama and Romney work for the same team! They string you along with programs like Faux News and Crap News Network to keep you brainwashed into the cult of celebrity and government worship. WAKE UP!!!
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
We agree, Uncle Moe - could use your support.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
10:47 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
We'll be in court tomorrow - especially now that several counties printed ballots in spite of the subpoena and order...I would be glad to speak with you on this in person, Uncle Moe. What we need is for folks to know what we're doing. The mainstream media is ignoring even THIS suit, and has utterly ignored the Article the First suit for over a year - probably the most important decision related to this election was effectively hidden away and delayed beyond November...but they can't hide from the Constitution forever. I am at firstname.lastname@example.com - e-mail me with a phone #, and I will call...FRED That goes for anyone else who wants to help, in promoting the Change the Rules Pledge, Article the First, the Responsible Representation Act, our fight against local corruption, etc. We're not even elected, and we're working for you. What have the so-called "majors" done? (cricket noises)
Bob Griffiths
2:35 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
GOP Suing to Keep Third Parties Off Ballot in November
Uncle Moe
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Bob, what do you think about what they did to Ron Paul? Your thoughts on that?
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
John Jay- more evidence that Republicans are behind ballot and voter manipulation. . .
Donna Griffin
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Bob, Our President is fighting to disallow military votes in Ohio. It's a game. Please do not feign righteous indignation when your guys are the original voter suppressionists. You seem to want to hold Republicans to a standard you do not set for your own party. It's hypocritical, but if your OK with your double standard, I'm OK with calling you out on it. Club-wielding thugs standing outside of voting booths in Philadelphia are your poster children. At least own it.
NBew Jersey Art
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Donna, you are so right. Take a look at this story. This is REAL voter suppression. In the minds of the Dems, that's OK since the people they're suppressing are our servicemen and women.
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Donna Griffin,
Listen to Fox much? The President is not fighting to disallow military votes in Ohio. Have you lost your marbles? Republicans sure don't let facts get in the way of their opinions. I didn't like Bush but I didn't go around saying he wears pink nighties when he's alone because I'm not nuts.
Prior to the Republican-controlled Legislature and Governor Kasich EVERYONE could submit an early ballot in person all the way through Monday. Access over the weekend was inconsistent in Ohio's 88 counties. The counties had to pay overtime to stay open on the weekend. THE NEW LAW restricted early voting to the Friday before the election except for military personnel. Well if you have to pay OT and the old law allowed everyone to vote on the weekend, why not keep it that way. Why discriminate? The proposed remedy IS TO REMOVE THE FRIDAY DEADLINE FOR EVERYONE. How is that attempting to disallow anyone?
Bob English
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Donna...you have it backwards....the Republicans in Ohio cut back on pre-election voting and than the Romney campiagn blamed the President saying he was trying to cut military voting. Numerous fack check sites said Romney was not telling the truth. A Romeny spokesperson on tv could not give one expample of how the Presidents lawsuit to restore voting hours/days was cutting pre-election military voting. The Obama campaign went to court to restore pre election voting for all Ohio residents and the Republican Secreatry fo State fought him all the way.
Gee, I wonder why???? Its the first time in history that any political party in this country is trying to make it harder to vote.
Note there are also many articles on line that detail the Obama campaigns efforts to restore voting for all Ohio citizens. As a sidenote. pre election voting was instituted in Ohio after lines at the polls went on for hours in the 2000 and 2004 elections especially in urban areas. Many people did not/could not wait for hours and simply did not vote. Did this influence the outcome of those elctions??
John Jay
4:10 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
Bob can't cite ANY official reports proving GOP-run "voter suppression" because there is none.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
We had to sue to protect what was already ours - a ballot line and our party name.
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Wrong John...
...officials with the national Republican Party cut ties with Sproul, whose firm has already received $3.1 million for work in Virginia, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina and Colorado. Although the payments were made by state party committees, its now clear that the Romney campaign and the national GOP coordinated the effort...
He's now in hot water because his firm was caught turning in faked voter registration forms in Palm Beach County and nine other counties in Florida...Republicans are screwing with state voter rolls. . .
Clarence Oveur
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
The "Jobs bill" was voted down because it includes a clause (inserted by Democrats) which rescinds all funding for deepwater oil and gas exploration for the remainder of the year in which the bill is adopted.
This, of course, perfectly and logically follows the Democrat insistence that we "rid ourselves of our dependence on foreign oil".
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
5:54 pm on Monday, October 1, 2012
"John Jay" - heard you were dead. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/29/us-usa-campaign-voterregistration-idUSBRE88R1GL20120929
Could use your wisdom on the Supreme Court, were you "that" John Jay.
Meanwhile - Uncle Moe is right - the two party system is a myth - A "Two-Horse Race where the same stables owns BOTH horses". There is an old oriental proverb..."When the horse is dead - DISMOUNT."
I am running as a third choice for the VACANCY in the House of Representatives in D.C. for this District. I would welcome the support of any person on this forum who has read my posts about what WE are already doing for Ocean and Burlington Counties - http://lacey.patch.com/blog_posts/the-substantive-argument-raised-by-the-democratic-republicans-d9ec3c89, for starters.
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Republicans voted NO for the Vets Jobs Bill even after several Republicans help write the bill, talk about Obstructionists.
So our Young Returning Vets now have to wait till spring for RepublicanObstructionists to maybe finally vote for it !
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Republican Voter Fraud Now in Important Swing State Florida, are the Republicans trying to steal another Presidential Election?
jerry moore
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
This thred of debate started off with Mr Griffith's preposterous statement 'Republicans Trample Our Voting Rights'
The comments have wandered along a multitude of side roads.
However Mr. Griffith's, & no one else has been able to back up that statement with facts....STILL!
Bob did leave two links the first http://www.thenation.com/blog/169733/bill-clinton-gop-voter-suppression-laws-sign-desperation
You can follow this one, My Read on this is that The Nation, an obviously far, far, left leaning rag, (just browse their site you'll see what I mean) Mainly is reporting statements & speeches by former President Clinton, to back up their obviously Liberal/Democrat/Socialist view, it is NOT actual reporting, it is an attempt at furthering their Agenda, devoid of any real facts except what Ole Bill said in his obvious biased opinion of what he sees as Republican Malfeasance. BTW Mr Clinton has been disbarred as a Lawyer for lies told in a government probe, also he doesn't even know what Sex is!
jerry moore
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Bob's 2nd link http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/voter-id-vote/story?id=17206253#.UFHbvaN5mK0
Is ABC News (We all know they're not Biased...RIGHT!) They tell of a harrowing tale, of people in Pennsylvania, having to travel up to 30 miles ...Egads!!, and having to wait up to 59 minutes...Oh the Horrors!! to get their photo ID's, some said it was too much they may not vote!
What seems to be lacking in this report is the facts that BOTH Republican Voters, as well as Democrats, & Independents have to go through the same process, but only if they are not already a liscensed driver, or have any other State or Federal form of acceptable Photo ID, which means only a small fraction of a percent of voters even have to worry about this process anyway. I guess our Voting process for some people, isn't worth any real effort.
Since Mr Griffiths cloaked his article in a tale of our brave soldiers, protecting the voting rights of Iraqis. I would wonder the opinion of one of those soldiers, or Iraqi citizens, on these perils faced by Pa. Voters, since they had to brave land mines, snipers, & RPG's to vote there. 59 min. or 30 miles seem rather insignificant in the face of that!
John Jay
8:56 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Frederick John LaVergne -- The body of John Jay may be dead, but his spirit lives on in his writings. If people would go back and READ what Jay, Madison, Jefferson, Tucker; and the other founders wrote, we would NOT be in the problem we have today.
As for your link: It shows that the GOP in Florida was on the ball for firing a company that did bogus voter registration. Isn't that a good thing?
2:04 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
John Jay- let's get real about our "founding fathers" . . .stop quoting out of High School history books? Madison & Jefferson. . .they screwed Washington while he was President: "Madison & Jefferson", Burstein & Isenberg
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
10:47 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
JJ - it sure is. I support neither party, and that was evidence that somebody was on the ball down there - not only cutting the firm pulling the shenanigans loose, but apologizing for it. Not swept under the rug. Believe it or not, we would probably fall on the same side of almost every issue, from what I read. People don't understand why we chose to run as "Democratic-Republicans". It was because, as Lewis Black put it, choosing between the two major parties is like trying to pick up a dog turd by the clean end. We considered using nom de plumes in "The American Aurora" - a new online blog we're beginning - the campaign is taking to much time because of all the court we've had to go through - an effective strategy by our opposition - deny us a pulpit in the press, busy us with court, and refuse to engage on any issue. Meanwhile, Rome burns. The PEOPLE who consider themselves part of either party are not to blame - it is the leadership...more to the point, the REAL leadership - the Norcross, Gilmore, and the like. Yup, named 'em. You already knew that, though. Can't take that thought further here, though, or we'll have yet another court date - this time, from the wrong side. We propose bringing back exactly the Statesmanship to which you refer, but which a multi-poster on here, pospatch, seems to find anathema. Another of our proposals being drafted is the "Responsible Representation Act", which would require that a bill only contain language on that subject.
Frederick John LaVergne for Congress
10:47 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
By the way - this is why I don't "tweet". You might notice that many of my posts make it to the 1500 character limit. I am in no way the "master of the elevator speech".
To continue - I find so much "crap" (= pork) in these bills. The TARP bill may have been the grand-daddy of them all, with subsidies for "manufacturers of Port Orford Cedar Arrows for Recreational Use in Oregon", for example...no, that's not made up.
Often, the minority parties will propose a bill that looks good on the surface, but with language contained within which the majority party would be embarrassed to have passed. Consequently, unless they take the bait, nothing gets done - Why Reagan wanted a line-item veto. Look at ACA - what is the original title of that docket?
My opponent has proposed the same language in more than one bill....why? No sense asking him - he doesn't know. He runs the plays the coaches call. Would he sign the "Change the Rules Pledge"? No way. His handlers would have a stroke. He's not a bad guy - he's sort of trapped. Remember, too, this is the guy who's answer to the question "Name a Supreme Court Decision from the last 10-15 years that you disagree with" posed in his debate with MR. ADLER....his answer? "Dred Scott". Give him a "D" and pass him - he's a football player. Hey, at least it was Supreme Court decision. Adler was no dummie. His wife supports ACA, but he didn't, not because he really didn't, but because he had party permission in an R District.
John Jay
10:47 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Jerry Moore: ID's for voters make sense! It combats the FRAUD -- which is usually the speciality among Democrats.
Bob Griffiths
11:39 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Halted by Judge (Oct. 2, 2012, 11:30 AM)
2:04 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
John Jay....what fraud? Oh the GOP fraud? Oh for sure they are on the ball...they knowingly hired a questionable company, had them change their name, paid them over three million dollars, and then fired them!!!!! That fraud ???
5:07 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
John Jay talks the talk...until you confront him with facts. . .then he doesn't respond!
bo bo bagens
5:07 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
You know what is odd. In Brick, you need an id to get beer, a drivers license, pay with a check at a store or sign up for benefits BUT for some reason we don't think it's ok to ask for proof when voting when billions of dollars being doled out are at stake.
If someone gets pulled over by the police, they have to show id.
If people are legit, what are the afraid of?


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