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Rick Santorum seems to hear a lot of things that aren't there.
Initially, Santorum claimed he heard the call from God to run for President.
Of course, God apparently also told Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann and Herman Cain to run for President, and they are not in the race anymore; which probably means all four of those people are prone to auditory hallucination, thus necessitating our need to institutionalize them.
But in a key moment of Santorum's campaign, he noted that (Catholic) John F. Kennedy's speech given in 1960 regarding separation of church and state made him "want to throw up." Santorum's (incorrect) stance was that Kennedy was trying to "separate faith from the public square."
JFK's belief was almost certainly that religious advisors should instruct them on faith and morals.
Santorum seems to have missed the entire main idea of the speech, especially in the historical context under which it was given. This indicates that Santorum—like a lot of crazy Republicans, I've noticed—doesn't seem to have much in the way of critical reading or listening skills.
But Santorum also clearly cannot separate his personal faith from politics; and talks about it in this bizarre reverse-logic manner where he uses it to appear holier-than-thou. His extreme stances on sex and birth control, prenatal testing, women's roles in the home and in the military, college campuses, homosexuality, pornography, comments about Satan having his sights set on America, and the environment are clearly derivative from his very strong faith. And I don't have a hard-line to Christ on Skype like Santorum does—so I can't know this for sure—but I'm fairly certain that's the impetus for his belief system, and his political judgments. He wants more religious input on government policy and faith-based politicking. He wants more Christian Conservative influence in our legislation.
So it's really too bad Rick isn't able to hear the voice of JFK echoing to him from the afterlife, because I'm willing to bet they could've sorted out their differences and he eventually would've found Kennedy a greater ally in his belief system than he would have found in me.
Because I absolutely believe all politicians should separate their faith from the public square.
Politics and religion should be like water and oil (or, to put it in Santorum's terms: women and sexual freedom). A politician's religious viewpoints should be kept personal, should neither be espoused nor openly questioned, and should absolutely never be the impetus for policy.
This is very simple: Using your religion (or even non-religion) as a moral basis for your personality and character is one thing; but using it openly as a motivating factor for your platform only creates divisions between people. With neutrality, and acceptance, and understanding—the things your religion should have taught you in the first place— you defend freedom of religion. But religious biases of all kinds should not affect government; because, in turn government could then also affect religion. It is a national imperative that people recognize this; especially those who might vote for a religious extremist like Rick Santorum.
If histories, and other countries, have taught us anything, it's that religious and political extremists are dangerous people, especially in combination. In fact, you might say only religious and political extremists are worth fearing. What other type of extremists in this country even rank as anything more than "mildly annoying"? NASCAR extremists? Bieber extremists? Who has the potential to be more dangerous—Rick Santorum or a girl who passes out while excitedly dancing to "Baby"?
So, in regards to Santorum's repeated efforts to push his religion in the dialogue as part of a campaign to be President of the United States, I would tell him to go home.
And then I would tell him that he should feel free to run his household in whatever manner he chooses, because that is what religious freedom is all about.
You wanna home school your daughter out of fear that college is for snobs who will cause her to lose her religion? Your choice. Go right ahead.
You want to be against abortion, even if that daughter is raped? That's your prerogative.
Enjoy your grandchildren.
You want to be against gay marriage, or going to college, or people of other races? Fantastic. We're not going to be friends, but you are 100% welcome to be that person as long as you're not hurting anyone else outwardly with your bigotry.
But don't run for President.
Don't assume that what has influenced you should influence me. Don't you, for a second, have the ignorance and audacity to believe that I'm going to run my life in this country, under your moral and religious parameters. You are not of some higher moral and spiritual ground than I am to infringe upon our existing freedoms.
And how dare you even mildly assert that I should run my life by the principles of either you, or your view of God?
In short: be conservatively religious as an individual, and in your home. The policy of the nation needs to be more liberal in accepting faiths and beliefs of all kinds; even ones that do not gel with the religion and morality you've been taught to believe.
And if you don't accept that, Rick, at the very least, this whole process should have taught you one thing:
If you really did hear the voice of God to run for President, it's only because He wanted you to know you're a loser.
James Thomas
12:19 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
If Rick Santorum "isn't able to hear the voice of JFK echoing to him from the afterlife", it's probably a good thing. That voice would probably be saying "do the intern, do the intern." I grew up Irish Catholic in Chicago in the 60's, we revered the name Kennedy then. Now, the 1%'er Kennedys don't have enough money to buy my vote. If you want me to "get my religious hands off your government" then you had better get your governmental hands off my religion. That's the other side of the 1st Amendment.
Lisa Regula Meyer
2:39 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
James and Jason, where is the government trying to put their hands on anyone's religion?
Stacie Russ
3:21 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Lisa - pretty sure those two are referring to the Catholic church having to pay for health care that provides birth control. They think they are defending a freedom of choice, but actually it is repressing the freedom of employees that may not hold the same faith as their employer or employees that may use birth control for other medically related issues.
The truth is they are just using the whole silly religious argument as a tool to try to make our president look bad. The reason is because their church taught them that black people were bad.
While we're at it it should be noted that they should talk to their catholic priests about keeping their hands off little kids. I think we would all prioritize that as the number one thing to "keep your hands off"
My answer is to keep your God out of my health care plan.
Lisa Regula Meyer
4:18 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Oh, that's what I was betting they were getting at, but that whole "insurance covering things I disapprove of infringes on my religious freedom" argument is a canard. Churches still don't have to cover contraceptives, but religiously affiliated schools and hospitals do. If the religious schools/hospitals don't want to offer insurance that covers contraception, they can 1) not offer insurance, 2) restrict their services and employment to only those of the same faith, 3) realize that paying into an insurance pool is not going against any religious tenet. Let's not forget, either, these schools and hospitals that don't want to abide by federal law get *tons* of money from the federal government.
Tim Torrence
12:52 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Lisa, I'm sorry to say your argument is not logical. 1) The contraceptive mandate not only dictates what coverage an employer must provide it also redefines what a religious organization is. This has a far greater scope than most people realize and many other faiths are hoping the Catholics prevail on this. Hospitals and schools and charities that do not provide this insurance will be paying the tax, that is inevitable. 2) If a Catholic hospital was to restrict employees to their faith they would be immediately hit with discrimination law suits. 3) Paying into an insurance pool that provides services that go against a person's faith is the exact argument the church is making.
It is probably a good time to read Cardinal George's letter to his parishioners.
Jim Williams
5:55 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Theists have got to be the whiniest majority in history! Every part of government/society tilts in their favor, and yet they cry "infringement" any time they're asked to recognize that not everyone shares their particular view of the world. If churches wish to continue to be major political players, tax them fairly and end the special considerations they get in education, health care, the military and federal funding of their "charitable" arms. Otherwise, build the wall between religion and government higher and stronger!
Earl Elevant
2:55 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Whining about a whiny article where you say whining is bad.
What was your point again?
Pot, meet kettle.
Stacie Russ
10:58 pm on Monday, March 19, 2012
Jason - The Government can't regulate my religious beliefs - because I have none. Some of the the stuff said at the pulpit must have been pretty bad if it was deemed a hate crime. Think of the pulpit restrictions as a friendly warning from your federal government. "don't preach hate crimes or we will bust down your doors and stop allowing you to pray to your invisible friends. We will stomp all the pew's, break all your silly paegan statues, steal all the gold and feed that silly flatbread to the birds" Seems like a friendly suggestion to me!
Bottom line Fat Jesus, is that you are free to practice any religion, free from persecution, provided you don't break any of our laws" That's when the rule changes a bit and you lose that right.
Just think: all this controversy over a few million people's belief that this whole world started 5000 years ago with Adam, Eve and a talking snake!
One thing I forgot to mention is: I feel one religious thing that should be illegal is the music. Christian rock bands are extremely gay, and you have to admit the music pretty much sucks too - right? We should just pass a law now that forbids this kinda of rubbish before any normal kids hear it and decide to become gay.
James Thomas
9:30 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Ms. Russ,
your commitment to the gracious tolerance of others illustrates so succinctly the failure of the PC diversity culture of todays political left. Why does the phrase "first they came for the Catholics" keep running through my head? Because you put it there.
Tim Torrence
1:05 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Tristan, I just spoke to my household LGBTQ expert and she assures me that using the word gay is not on the same level as the N-word. She also assures me that the LGBTQ community is smart enough to know when the term gay is meant in a derogatory manner.
7:42 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
If you want your employer to provide contraception as part of your health plan, and you know the Catholic church will not provide it - then don't work for the Catholic church. I feel the same way about the anti-smoking campaign. I've never been a smoker, but I still believe the decision as to whether or not allow smoking in a privately held establishment should be up to the owner, not the government. If I own a restaurant and want to allow smoking and I then realize nobody is frequenting my business then I have to make a business decision - maybe it is because people don't want to be around smokers. It should be my decision, not the govenrment's. Frankly it is non of the government's business.
Pastor Chris
8:35 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
You are misguided. I am not here to defend Santorum. But I am hear to say your view of religion is misguided. We have FREEDOM OF, not FROM RELIGION in America. Our forefathers never intended for RELIGION - our our belief in God and the Scriptures - to be removed from the public arena, civil discourse, our schools or any part of society. Rather they wanted it to be a part of our society and culture. Our Forefathers would protected your RIGHT TO YOUR SPEECH...and they protected Santorum's and anyone elses right TO RELIGION. Your argument totally misses this truth. I realize many of you will disagree. That really doesn't matter. Read the Constitution...read the intent...stop removing God, faith, religion...from areas of life. It is not "Oil" and "water" as you claim...that is on true from the perspective that GOVERNMENT is to stay out of RELIGION. But it is not in reverse. Religion has a place in our democracy and our forefathers wanted to protect it from the Government. Sadly, people who hold your position threaten our democracy by trying to make this a private matter instead of part of our way of living. If you are truly open minded...and you read the constitution...you will see that this perspective is the intent of our forefathers. If you want to change the Constitution to say "FREEDOM FROM" then you need change it...but don't try to say that is what it says now. That is misguided and dishonest.
Sonia Gwynes
9:29 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Maybe you should read it again because you seem to have only read between the lines. Try reading the actual document and the history surrounding it.
Tim Torrence
1:17 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Sonia, this is the actual text of the First Amendment: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Please point to the actual phrase that supports your disagreement. When I read the actual amendment it says government cannot make a national religion nor can it stop you from practicing your faith.
Sonia Gwynes
9:23 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Patrick, I always enjoy reading your pieces. This one may be the best yet. Thank you.
John Olesky
9:39 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
There has been so much harm done in this world in the name of religion.
Politicians -- not just crazy Rick -- push our "fear" buttons to get votes. Then they get together with the D's and the R's in a D.C. bar and laugh at us.
This country was founded by people who were trying to escape religious persecution. So they tried to make sure that the government would not espouse one religion over any others.
Why not try tolerance and morality for its own sake? Not just because you're afraid some creature in the heavens will strike out dead with lightning.
My philosophy in life is simple: I try to behave so that, if everyone in the world did the same, it would be a better world. I don't always succeed, but the effort is sincere.
Why so much anger when anyone dares to suggest that a politician stirring up the natives through religion, to suit his election hopes, is doing the wrong thing?
And the idiots reside on both sides of the aisle, with D's and R's to their name. And since we keep re-electing them I guess that makes us even greater idiots.
Shame on us.
James Thomas
9:53 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
John O.,
"There has been so much harm done in this world in the name of religion." True, but in the 20th Century Anti-Religious beliefs made up for all the lost time and added some new records to the harm done to the world.
You believe in what most people call the Golden Rule, we share that belief. Can you honestly appraise some of the posts to this article as being guided by that rule?
Damon koch
10:03 am on Saturday, April 14, 2012
James, you are correct. More murder was committed in the 20th century in the name of aethism than in the name of any religion. Mao, Stalin, Hitler and others were aethists or agnostics. Also, the murder being committed today is in the name of Radical Islam, not Mr. Santorium's faith.
Pastor Chris
11:34 am on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
James and Jason...thank you...you give me hope that our religious freedoms will remain in tact. As a nation of law...we need to realize our freedoms come from the Constitution. Religion - faith - God - belong in Government. For those trying to say most of our Forefathers were agnostic need to go read founding father documents and stop reading modern liberal history books that are trying to rewrite history. There was a variety of religious backgrounds, but overwhelmingly they espoused the God of Scriptures and even called upon His name. God belongs in our nation and it is time we allow faith to play a role in public discourse and realize ones faith is a part of who they are...a part of our homes...part of our schools...part of our communities...part of our places of worship...it is part of life. We have the right to express our religious views by freedom of speech and we have the right to have the government stay our of our religion and not impose their HANDS upon our beliefs and practices of faith. We need to read the Constitution and read founding father documents. I truly hope that everyone engaging in this debate will do their homework and those trying to kick God to the curb, so to speak, will stop attempting to rewrite history and ignore the Constitution. The more stuff like this is done, the more people like myself will speak the truth.
Alex Vandehoff
3:44 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Christopher - can you tell me what churches have been shut down by the government?
Faith is a part of life. Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheist, Buddhist, Taoist, Pantheist, Wiccan, etc. ALL OF THEM. By saying 'God belongs in our nation' and referring to the 'God of Scriptures' you are implying a very Christian-centric tone to your comment. And that tone flies in opposition of the point you seem to be trying to make.
Faiths/religions should not dictate civic discourse in any way. That's the trouble with democracy - not everyone is the same as you.
James Thomas
9:40 am on Saturday, March 24, 2012
Alex V.
I disagree. Faith can not be divorced from the "civic discourse". As you admit "Faith is part of life". Taking your argument to it's fullest extent the faithful believer MUST then become someone who believes one thing and does another. You are ENFORCING the hypocricy you decry. "That's the trouble with democracy - not everyone is the same as you."
12:08 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
James, you are right, but it has been going on since he wrote that, it has just been happening more and more in the US in recent history. We are fighting to not lose the rights that many don't have elsewhere in the world. The sad thing is that non-Christian's who fight to restrict our rights to observe and preach our beliefs don't realize they are also taking away their own rights. Eventually someone will use these new laws as precedence for laws in the future to limit someone else from practicing their beliefs.
1:45 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
You've written a wonderful article Patrick. It's easier to agree with you totally and not argue incessantly or vitriolically with others!
Earl Elevant
2:58 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
So he should give up being who he is in an effort to be who you want him to be?
I'd bet we'd then have to hear how he's unprincipled.
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Excellent article! Couldn't have said it better myself.
Damon koch
10:08 am on Saturday, April 14, 2012
Patrick, once again you have mischaracterized the conservative position. Rick Santorium never said he was against people using contraception if they want, he's against the government paying for it or forcing employer's from paying for it. I know that being in the teacher's union you feel entitled to have taxpayer money pay for everything you want, but some of us believe that this country works best and has become great by the efforts of individuals acting their own self interest free from government mandates.


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Thursday, December 27, 2012
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After we took down most of our Christmas decorations yesterday (we really don't linger too long after the holiday), we did a bit more cleaning. One of the major areas we hit were our family games. We spent a good few hours digging through and removing redundencies and unplayed games. You know the ones I am talking about here. Those games where you have 10 different versions (like extra playing cards, or the 3 different boxes of Uno cards we found in our pile). Of course the games you just don't play anymore and most likely never will again are another important area to clean out.
The big move for me was cleaning out a portion of my work storage space (my modest office area). During Christmas my office corner of the living room is devoted to the Christmas tree. This means moving my main book shelf as well as any storage spaces, to a different area in the house. In the process of moving it back I took the time to go through and clean the shelves of all the unneeded miscellaneous papers, old magazines and even catalogues that are several years old (ya I don't clean stuff as often as I should in the office). Although it frightens me I still need to go through my paper shelves and get rid of all the old papers and junk that no longer have bearing on life and of course store the important stuff in better areas.
A big part of this clean up was going through my fairly large collection of cook books. Again something I should have done a long time ago. I try to retain cookbooks that have more than just recipes. I want to know the histories and stories of what is presented in these recipes. This is far more important in my eyes than a simple recipe. I can easily go online and find a recipe for anything. It is the stories that make our history important. Food and drink is the cornerstone of culture, if behooves us to know the whys involved with what people ate and drank.
I suppose at this point you are wishing I would just get to the point. I can do that, I swear it is within my power to quit leading you through endless babble in my head (but that isn't always as fun for me). Sorry...
Really the point here is the New Year is a chance to move ahead. It is a new beginning. It can be extremely difficult to move on when you are carrying the extra baggage that used to clutter your life. As you turn to thoughts of what your next year can be, maybe it is time to lose somethings of your past. Of course you have to keep pushing forward, but remember to let go of that anchor that is holding you down. There are no laws saying that you have to bring it with you.
Time for a pint...
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I like the way you think, Jon. I, too, like to know the history behind some food or libation, or some other interesting info about it. I intend to do that in my chocolate book in order to differentiate myself from all the chocolate bloggers out there who just review chocolate. I find that boring. I like to know about the person making the chocolate, where they live/work, what has influenced them, etc.
Good luck in moving forward in the New Year.RepliesOne of the main reasons I really don't do beer reviews is for similar reasons. There are so many out there already doing reviews, I would simply be lost in the shuffle. Granted there are a few people that I like their reviews so I visit them on a regular basis, but I would rather give a view outside the simple review so those coming into the food and beverage world from the outside can have a bigger view of what is going on.
I can relate to what you are doing. I have been doing a lot of that myself recently. I have a move coming up in 2013 that I am also getting ready for. There have been many trips to Goodwill with stuff that had outlived its usefulness. There are still trips left to make, but progress is being made. Happy New Year to you! May it be a good one for both of us.
ReplyDeleteRepliesWe try to live a bit on the minimalist side (thought it doesn't always happen). It feels good to get extraneous stuff out of your life.
I do not envy you the process of moving. But I will happily celebrate the finished move with you. I know you don't drink but when the time comes let me know and I will gladly have a toast in your honor.
Ahh yes, I too have a pile of stuff ready to be taken to Goodwill this Saturday afternoon. I absolutely love getting rid of stuff, in both the literal and the figurative sense ;)
ReplyDeleteRepliesI have learned to take a bit of joy in it. Though, it isn't always easy. Being raised by parents who grew up during the depression it has been ingrained that you save what you can because you may need it later.
Harder to give up is the figurative baggage. I think that may be something we all struggle with at times. Wouldn't it be great if we could take all that baggage to the Goodwill and deposit it for someone else to find use for.
Breaking these habits from time to time can be very liberating.
Ah, cooks books... you should see our collection. I can honestly say my husband would be hard pressed to get rid of any of them. He really does look at them and use them. So they will stay. I too love the stories behind certain foods and wines. It gives the making and eating or drinking of the end product or wine have much more meaning and interest. Now on to my cleaning up the garage... UGH!

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Antique shops and handicraft stores are available in the shops located at San Juan and Malate Manila streets. Starting from five star luxurious hotels to budget hotels the city offers bouquet of accommodation options for the travelers. Some of the popular Manila hotels are:
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- Sofitel Philippine Plaza
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- Best Western Astor Manila
- Best Western Hotel La Corona Manila
- Astoria Plaza Hotel Manila
- Palm Plaza Hotel Manila
- Pearl Manila
- Garden Plaza Hotel & Suites Manila
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Manila, capital of Philippines, is a shopper's paradise. With innumerable shopping malls and markets, Manila shopping is one of the favorite activities of the local people as well as with the tourists frequenting the city. Avid shoppers can drop till they drop in the various shopping destinations of the city.Shopping in Manila is extremely interesting with shopping malls spread in almost every nook and corner of the city. The main shopping hub in Manila is the junction of Ortigas Avenue and EDSA in Quezon City. There are around four shopping malls in this area. Most of these malls are situated in close proximity to the entertainment and shopping districts of Manila, Philippines.
Some of the most popular and frequented shopping malls of Manila are as follows:
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- Harrison Plaza
- The Power Plant
- Shangri La Plaza
- SM Megamall
- Robinsons Galleria
- The Alaya Center
- Mall of Asia
- 168 Mall
- Tutuban Center
- The Podium
- Rockwell Center
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- Chinatown
- Central Market in Santa Cruz, Manila
- Farmers Market
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- Tree's Company
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Manila car rentals are the easiest ways of traveling in the city. There are many renowned car rental agencies in Manila that provide cars on hire to the tourists and travelers.The various car rental agencies of Manila, Philippines provide different types of cars on hire, which include luxury cars, compact cars, mid-size cars, SUVs and many more. The cars that are provided by the Manila car rentals are available with and without chauffeurs. Tourists can choose as per their requirements.
Many car rentals at Manila also have online booking facilities. Tourists can book their cars in advance to avoid any types of hassles, once they reach Manila, Philippines. The booking systems are simple and user friendly. Hiring a car for traveling in the city is also economical and convenient. The rates of the cars depend on the types of cars as well as on the number of days for which the vehicle is hired. Many car rentals also have airport pick up and drop facilities.
Some of the car rental agencies in Manila that offer quality services to tourists and travelers are as follows:
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Manila Travel Tips
Manila, the capital city of Philippines, has become a favorite tourist destination with several people all across the globe. Getting some Manila travel tips help in proper planning of the Manila tour.When to Go
Philippines can be best visited from mid-December to May. This is the best time to make a trip to the city, as there are no fears of typhoons attacking the city at this time of the year. There are also many colorful events that are hosted in Manila during the months of January, May and December.
Climate of Manila
Manila has a tropical climate with three distinct seasons. The cool but dry season spans from November to February, while the hot season in the city spans from March to May. There is also a distinct rainy season in the city from June to October. The city receives abundant rainfall during the monsoon months.
What to Wear
Carrying the perfect attire is an extremely important part of planning any trip. Clothes that are suited for tropical climate should be carried to Manila, Philippines. The time of visiting the city also decides the types of clothes that should be carried by the tourists. There are also many beaches in Manila. So travelers and tourists should carry some swimsuits with them. Some formal dresses should also be carried for some formal occasions.
Business Hours
The Business Hours in Manila are from 0900hrs to 1700hrs. Most of the offices or business related works are done on five days of the week from Mondays to Fridays. Banks work from 0900hrs to 1500 or 1530hrs from Mondays to Fridays. Saturdays and Sundays are holidays in the city.
Philippines is eight hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time. Tourists can calculate the time difference from their own countries. It is also easier too plan the trip accordingly.
220 Volts AC, 60 cycles is the standard electricity that is used in most of the houses and business areas in Manila, Philippines. However, there are few hotels in the city that also have options of running apparatuses at 110 Volts.
Airport Tax
Airport Tax has to be paid by all travelers and tourists frequenting the city. Different airports in Manila have different rates of airport taxes. In many cases, travel agents also take care of this aspect of traveling in Manila.
Though initially, the concept of tipping was not much in practice, it has started to develop in Manila recently. Many hotels and restaurants in Manila add service charges to the original bill, while there are some places where direct tips are accepted. Taxi drivers in Manila also expect some small tips from the customers.
Some other important information on Manila travel is as follows:
- The currency of Manila is known as Philippine Peso.
- English and Filipino (Tagalog) are the two main languages spoken by the people of Manila.
- It is always advisable to drink mineral/distilled water or soda instead of tap water.
- Majority of the shopping malls in Manila operate from 10 am to 8 pm/9 pm.
- The main airport of the city of Manila is Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Phone: 02-877-1109). This airport has facilities like a bank, ATMs, duty-free shop and souvenir shops.
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- Some of the travel agents of Manila are Pan Pacific Travel Corporation, Asiaventure Tours and Travel, Inc, Premiere Travel and Tours, Inc. and Yoyo Holidays Travel Service, Inc.


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Saw your photo of the recycled art table from last Thursday's Art walk. Did you pick up their flyer? Susan Miranda & Kelley Organek who were running the kid's art table have a blog that promotes collection & redistribution of reusable materials. They're proposing an Up-Cycle Creative Reuse Center among other things. www.UpCycleCRC.wordpress.com I think it'd make a good story for the Patch..
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10:46 pm on Monday, March 28, 2011
You asked us to let you know when you failed in your mission... Well, your article that clearly rides the sensational storyline of the Air Traffic Controller from DCA being a DelRay resident is about as National Enquirer / STAR! as it could be. Shame on you! You can add Gossip-monger to your list of titles.
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10:57 am on Thursday, February 24, 2011
Drew - I justed wanted to tell you how much I am enjoying Del Ray Patch! You are doing a terrific job of reporting on our little community. Del Ray Patch has definitely become my go to source for Del Ray (and Alexandria) news! Great job!
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Environmental, health and community groups opposed to shale gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing, commonly called fracking, say they collected more than 200,000 comments during an intense 30-day effort featuring online coaching and comment-writing workshops at churches, community centers, food co-ops, coffee shops and holiday house parties from New York City to Buffalo. They gave cases of comments to regulators on Friday, the last day to comment on proposed drilling rules.
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Gas industry representatives also were delivering comments to the Department of Environmental Conservation, arguing the proposed rules are so strict that they effectively will prevent drilling in New York's part of the Marcellus Shale formation.
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The department has a deadline of the end of February to finalize the regulations. Otherwise, it has to draft new regulations and hold additional hearings, potentially adding months to the process.
Fracking, a technology that releases gas from shale by injecting a well with millions of gallons of chemically treated water and sand, has made it possible to tap into deep reserves of oil and gas but also has raised concerns about pollution. Regulators contend water and air pollution problems are rare, but environmental groups and some scientists say there hasn't been enough research on those issues.
The technology has drawn intense scrutiny since the focus of gas drilling companies has shifted in recent years to the Marcellus Shale, a massive rock formation that underlies parts of New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia and Tennessee.
"We're delivering these comments to DEC, but they're very much directed at Gov. Cuomo," said John Armstrong of the group New Yorkers Against Fracking. "We think this is truly a statement to the governor that he has a responsibility to follow through on his promise and base the decision to frack or not to frack on the science."
Armstrong said the comment letters "are very clear that no regulation can make this safe, and they should ban it." Continued...
Ono and Lennon, the widow and youngest son of the late musician John Lennon, lead the group Artists Against Fracking.
Albany lawyer Tom West, who represents gas industry clients, said the proposed regulations are excessively strict, with numerous arbitrary provisions that make it impossible to site a well in many areas.
"The bottom line is, there are many additional requirements that have been piled onto the proposal from 2011 that don't have a factual or scientific basis and will make it very difficult to drill in New York," West said. "Industry can only take so much. We're willing to live within a high environmental bar, but it has to be attainable."
"The enviros will get what they want — very limited drilling," West said. "Landowners will be left out in the cold, and there will be very little economic development in the Southern Tier," the area of New York state where drilling most likely would take place.
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Saturday is a chance for redemption for Sir Alex Ferguson. Two years ago on that fateful night in Rome, Manchester United succumbed to a 2-0 defeat in a final which has been privately exasperating the manager. Barcelona overran the Red Devils in the centre of the pitch and it has been said that Michael Carrick is only just starting to rediscover that consistency which vacated him after that game.
United come into this match after a title-winning campaign brandished as lacking 'fantasy', but perhaps that will put them in good stead against a team who have it in abundance. Trying to play Barça at their own game will generally result in defeat, but with dogged determination, team full of energy and a potent striker, United have a great chance of reversing the disappointment from 2009.
Despite claims that we might be witnessing one of the greatest teams ever in the Catalans, they still have their flaws, and Ferguson knows if he can exploit them and more importantly take their chances, then United are one of the best teams to sit back and play on the counter-attack when protecting a lead.


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Bernanke, an Atlanta native, is in the midst of a 14-year term on the Fed's Board of Governors. The central banker also chairs the Federal Open Market Committee, the Fed's monetary policymaking body. In 2005 and 2006, he served on the President's Council of Economic Advisers.
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Amid all the hubbub over external social media marketing, internal social networking within a single company or project team has a much lower profile. Recent developments, however, indicate that enterprise social networking's stock is rising quickly. This spring Salesforce.com Inc. rolled out Rypple, an internal social tool aimed at human resources departments. Rypple provides management of corporate goal-setting, recognition and feedback, mimicking game mechanics by offering badges and "skills earned" awards. The service is expected to be tightly integrated with Salesforce's other major collaborative social tool, Chatter, which allows project co-workers to crowd-source ideas via broadcast updates, posted messages and requests for advice and feedback. Rypple recognitions will echo in an employee's Chatter feed, and recognitions a person receives will become part of his or her social profile in Salesforce, according to the company. In June, Microsoft Corp. entered the enterprise social space with its $1.2 billion acquisition of Yammer Inc., which functions similarly to Chatter and Jive Software's Social Business Platform. That acquisition is expected to augment internal collaboration and sales effectiveness via Microsoft's Dynamics CRM product. And this month, big marketing automation company Eloqua Corp. announced a licensing deal with Salesforce to offer Chatter directly within the Eloqua dashboard. The integration of the social tool, available free to Eloqua users in the fourth quarter, will help close the gap between marketing and sales, Eloqua said. "Collaboration is the last barrier to getting sales and marketing aligned," said Rob Bois, Eloqua manager-product marketing. "It also will help within large global enterprises, because often many more people than just marketing and sales are involved in efforts to build campaigns, including outside agencies." Dave King, senior director-Chatter at Salesforce, said: "It's not about moving 'water-cooler talk' online; it's about integrating social into every business process and application, including marketing." While marketing can benefit from the crowd-sourcing of creative and tactics, sales can find that internal social collaboration provides quick answers from product experts or ready access to the latest marketing collateral, King said. Enterprise social networks may not be appropriate in all cases. Smaller companies won't benefit as much from the crowd-sourcing of ideas, due simply to their smaller employee counts. Meanwhile, companies made up primarily of younger employees in cutting-edge industries may take to internal social collaboration more comfortably. Benefits can include streamlined internal communications, capture of institutional knowledge, identifying and recognizing talent, and even unifying disparate technology systems via a single tool. "A distributed, mobile work force also is driving the shift," said James Davidson, VP-digital and community strategy at social media marketing agency 7Summits, Milwaukee. "It allows them to find information, people, content or expertise to get the job done while in the field and traveling." The ROI of enterprise social networking might also be seen in harder metrics than better collaboration and idea generation. In a recent blog post, Ashley Furness, CRM market analyst at Software Advice, cited Salesforce and Jive findings that internal social networking can reduce email volume by 30%, slice meeting time by 27% and cut the time to find an expert to solve a problem by 34%. "These apps aren't perfect," Furness said, indicating that several companies she's talked to view enterprise social networks as "a distraction." "Even so, interest continues to grow as technology improves," she said. "From what I've learned, the question is no longer if socialized business will become the norm but when." THE CONVERSATION (add your response in the comments): How are you using enterprise social networks within your company?
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Swiss Chard and Parmesan Torte with Press-In Olive Oil Pastry
18 comments:
- Yummy Mummy said...
This is my perfect meal. Eggs and greens. YUM! I loved all the rainbow chard at the farmers market this week. So gorgeous.
- November 9, 2011 at 7:17 PM
- Irendi said...
I CANNOT wait to try this!
- November 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM
- bellini said...
I love the idea that there is no need to roll out the pastry either.It is easy to see why this has become a favourite Mari!!
- November 9, 2011 at 11:24 PM
- Rettabug said...
These photos are making my mouth water just thinking about how it must taste. Italian Parmigiano-Reggiano cheese is a household staple around here & I can easily imagine the flavor punch that it adds. I'll try this one with spinach soon.
Thanks for sharing the recipe!
Rett - November 10, 2011 at 3:13 AM
- The Café Sucré Farine said...
Mari, I aways get excited when I see that you have a new post because I know it will be fantastic! You never disappoint! This looks wonderful and I love the press in crust as I'm so lazy sometimes about rolling out dough :).
- November 10, 2011 at 3:32 AM
- Thibeault's Table said...
Mary, you have done it again. I always want to try the recipes that you share.
It is only 5:00 AM here and I'm wishing I could have your tart for breakfast.
Ann - November 10, 2011 at 5:10 AM
- ButterYum said...
Another wonderful Patricia Wells recipe - yummo! Fabulous photo tutorial (you do them best!). I love the idea of a press in olive oil crust - might have to give this one a try soon.
Patricia - November 10, 2011 at 6:25 AM
- Neophyte Cruiser said...
Sounds and looks delicious, Sis. If we can crank the boat's oven up to 375F, we'll have to try it. Leaving for Baja on Friday.
- November 10, 2011 at 6:51 AM
- La Table De Nana said...
I love your step by step..every photo a delight:)
I prefer my non stick pans too:)
Thank you for all the time you take creating your beautiful informative posts.x - November 10, 2011 at 10:23 AM
- Linda said...
This looks amazing Mary!
I also like the non stick tart pans. I really like the deep one you have there....that is the one I am missing. I have just about every other size...lol
I am absolutely going to make this!
Thanks again for sharing and the beautiful pics...I always love looking at them, they inspire me! - November 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM
- Mary said...
You had me at "cracker-like & crispy perfect with a glass of white wine" :) I love the idea of using swiss chard! I have to try this~ I love your step-by-step photos & your plating as always is mouth watering!!
- November 11, 2011 at 4:21 AM
- Southerncook said...
Mari, This looks amazing and I love the idea of an olive oil crust. I have never been one to use Swiss Chard but I definitley need to try this recipe. Actually, I don't have that book either but it sounds like I NEED it. {{{Rolling eyes here}}} I do enjoy the Patricia Wells books that I have and Italian, wellllllll it is a MUST "have". Thanks for sharing this recipe, it looks to be a winner.
Carolyn - November 11, 2011 at 5:13 AM
- thenewlywedchefs.com said...
Beautiful pictures! Can't wait to try this one soon :)
- November 11, 2011 at 7:14 PM
- Amy said...
What a lovely creation. I love any torte, they just look so fancy to me. Your olive oil crust looks perfect and sounds delicious...can't wait to give that a try.
- November 12, 2011 at 3:16 PM
- Life with L said...
Mari, I haven't visited in awhile. So glad i stopped in to see more of your lovely recipes. I sometimes have Internet problems. Enjoy the week-end. Linda
- November 12, 2011 at 5:05 PM
- thewimpyvegetarian.com said...
I make a similar tort but not with an olive oil crust. That sounds really interesting - I'm trying it the next time I make a savory tart. Thanks!!
- November 15, 2011 at 11:29 PM
- Cindy said...
I've started harvesting my fall chard planting. Definitely have to try this. Thanks!
- November 16, 2011 at 12:38 PM
- Jennifer @ Town and Country Living said...
Found you through StoneGable. Can't wait to try this recipe. I'm now a follower.
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The Judy Wood enigma: a discussion of the most controversial figure in 9/11 research |
Jun 2 2012, 10:47 PM
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For some time, Iâve been thinking about creating a post where the comment thread is the focus and the article more of an introduction to the discussion. Thatâs what Iâve decided to do here with what I hope will be an open, substantive discussion on the research of Dr. Judy Wood. Rather than just having comments about her pop up in other discussions and other threads (usually involving name calling and ridicule), Iâve decided to create a post where her research can be rationally debated; at least I hope itâll be rational and that the discussion focuses on science rather than hearsay. I understand some of the regular readers of Truth and Shadows may think Iâm off base by addressing Woodâs work at all, but I hope there arenât too many who feel that way. I believe that any discussion that involves the pursuit of the truth is worth having. I donât think the reputation of the entire Truth movement will be affected one way or the other. And I donât believe any questions are âdangerousâ to ask. Those who donât think the subject is worthy of their attention can wait for my next regular article, which will follow soon. I own a copy of Dr. Judy Woodâs book Where Did the Towers Go? (sent to me by a reader). I have read over several chapters but havenât gone through the whole book from cover to cover just yet. It seems that most of Woodâs most vocal critics have not read her book at all, but this may be proven wrong in the comments to follow. In her book (which has the impressive appearance of a glossy, full-colour textbook) Wood posits that not only can plane impact and fires not account for what happened to the Twin Towers, neither can conventional controlled demolition. She believes that some kind of directed free energy weapon was responsible for the destruction, including the mid-air pulverization, of the buildings. She coined the term âdustificationâ to describe how solid materials, including steel, seemed to disintegrate into dust as the buildings were being destroyed. She points out that had conventional explosives brought the buildings down, the material would have slammed into the ground with a great force, potentially causing serious damage to the âbathtubâ keeping the Hudson River from flooding lower Manhattan. She says the building hitting the ground would also have shown in the seismic evidence, which she contends it didnât. The very title of her book suggests her main point: that there was nowhere near enough rubble to account for the âcollapseâ of two 110-storey buildings. She contends that most of the material that made up the buildings was turned to dust and simply blew away. Wood is easily the most attacked figure in the 9/11 Truth movement, although she doesnât consider herself to be part of the movement. She states that she doesnât have theories, but rather she examines evidence that this was more than a gravitational collapse and more than a conventional demolition. While Iâm not taking a pro or con position on Wood or her research in this article, I will say that there are things she addresses that I think deserve answers, particularly from those who dismiss her. Much of the opposition to her that Iâve read is pretty superficial and is often reliant on ad hominem attacks rather than evidence-based refutations. When people want to ridicule her, they refer to âspace beams.â She does use the term âStar Wars beam weaponsâ but this is a reference to energy-weapon technology associated with the âStar Warsâ missile defense program (the Strategic Defense Initiative). She says research on energy weapons goes back a century and remains classified. I look forward to read some substantive exchanges on the buildings turning to dust, toasted cars, molten metal, the seismic evidence, the Hutchison Effect, and Hurricane Erin. Iâd like to know what her detractors have to say about Hurricane Erin â how it headed straight for New York City, stopped on the morning of Sept. 11, then turned sharply away â all the while being virtually ignored by the media. Here are a few questions that might be worth discussing concerning her research:
Señor El Once, a frequent contributor to the comment section of this site almost since it started, does not fully endorse all of Woodâs research, but he calls on people to look for information in her book that could be valuable. Nuggets of truth, he calls them. He wrote me recently on the subject, and made a point that is well worth addressing in the comment thread to follow: âWhen we consider how the 9/11 Truth Movement has parsed and analyzed to hairsplitting detail just about everything ever written about 9/11, it becomes a rather obvious flag when that doesn't happen, or when closer inspection reveals that the analysis is woefully incomplete, writes off the source too quickly as being âcrazy, loony, nuttyâ and disinformation, and passes judgment based on second- or third-hand sources.â Some ground rules: There will be no insults or ridicule permitted unless they are based on facts and science. And there will be no variations on Dr. Woodâs name as a means of insulting her. You donât think her science is sound? Tell me why. You think sheâs the greatest thing since sliced bread? Why do you think so? I would also appreciate (as would the readers) that comments be of a reasonable length. Iâll be lenient about this at the beginning (as positions are initially outlined) but once the discussion is underway, I donât want to see 1,000-2,000 word comments back and forth. Itâs exhausting to read and even more exhausting to moderate. Shorter, more focused, comments make the exchange easier for all of us to follow. Since so many in the Truth movement have opinions about Wood, I hope weâll have a discussion that examines her work fairly and in detail. View the full article |
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Does the amount of rubble fit with two massive skyscrapers being brought down in a conventional demolition, with or without thermite?
Close enough... Yes it does. Supposedly 1.8million tons of debris was removed from the site... The weight if each tower as about 400,000 tons... so the figure if true seems reasonable considering there were several other, but significantly smaller buildings, plus the basements. ALL buildings are most air by volume and the twins were 96% air... so if reduced to a close packed mass of the same foot print each tower would be only 4% of its height or 52' high which is about 4 stories. If it was scattered about it would less and of course and it wasn't close packed either... plus some was rendered to dust and carried to surrounding blocks in the air and likely that wasn't even included in the calculation for recovered debris mass. The fact that B7 and the twins produced similar debris in quality etc. can be seen as evidence of either gravity collapses of huge structures produce those outcomes...for example, large expanding post collapse dust clouds... or some other mechanism(s) did... even though the towers came down top to bottom and B7 looked like it lost support at its base (somewhere). What could account for the lack of rubble? There wasn't a lack of rubble. What would the expected amount be? I would think something equal to the aggregate mass of the complex which collapse or was taken apart post collapse and hauled away. I've read some say a collapse building should be 12% of its height. What is the based on? It seems completely arbitrary and likely wrong. Why did so many cars burn (or melt) in such odd patterns – parts of vehicles melted, parts totally undamaged? Melted cars as in a then solidified metal *ingot* of some form? Where was that? There had to be some very hot flamming and flammable liquids which came down from the towers. We assume there was jet fuel because there were witness reports of smelling it.... perhaps gas tanks exploded? When the plane hit the tower the damage was local and the rest of the tower was *normal*. However it is believed that the strikes DID cause electrical shorts in other area of the building in seemingly unrelated pattern of damage from the plane impact. Why were some vehicles flipped over and others not? Flipped cars are the likely result of some huge force applied to the car with a mechanical advantage (leverage)... with the wheels acting a fulcrum... perhaps something very heavy fell on it (off the CG of the vehicle) from very high up? If material was falling off the towers in a some what random fashion and the vehicles were also randomly positioned about the towers the damage would be random... wouldn't it? And why did blowing paper and leaves on trees seem not to burn in the midst of the burning cars? Trees? What tress?...The collapse stage was appears to be largely *cold*... aside for the heat produced from likely grinding of the concrete slabs which was concentrated at the end and at the bottom of the collapse. Must of the ejected material likely came from BETWEEN the floors was caused by the pulse of over pressure of the 65mph downward collapse of the floor system... not pancakes because the collapse was a process of a rapid fracturing, crushing and then grinding... but the initial part of each floor slab destruction involved the expulsion of the 18,000 cu yards of air between each 2 floors. This took place in about .1 seconds and produced winds as high as 400 mph which destroyed the floor contents on the floor about to be crushed, clg tiles hung from the slab above, and blew all the lightweight materials out through the windows. Most of the towers did not burn up, nor were there fires on most floors. Virtually all CDs involved stripped buildings... and are mostly the frame and floor slabs. Whether collapse or CD or a combination the buildings contents got involved and either had to be mechanically destroyed, combusted or disbursed by the moving air of the collapse... or a combination of these outcomes. What caused massive "holes†in other World Trade Center buildings? Falling facade panels from as high as 1,100 feet in the air. These 10'x36' facade panels weighed north of 4 tons each (20 tons on the lowest floors) and would crash through any floor or roof construction of any commercial office structure. What would would you expect the outcome to be if you dropped loaded pick up trucks from 1,100 feet on top of any building? And some cases several panels were connected as an assembly when they came off the facade weight scores of tones. The holes in the buildings appear to be in line with the axis of the facades of the tower which fell away and more or less perpendicular to the facades.... the so called "peeling". The hotel (3) was pretty much crushed down the ground by the falling facade panels... it stood only a few feet from the towers as did 4, 5 & 6 What about her references to phenomena like buildings "lathering up,†being "dustified,†or steel beams resembling "rolled up carpets� Materials whose properties favor crushing and grinding to dust were destroyed by being crushed and ground. Ceiling tiles, gypsum wall board, spray on insulation, carpet, particle board and so forth succumbed to this sort of mechanical destruction... even some light gauge metal... such as wires and ducts. With the extreme forces (pressure) these were likely shredded like thin foil is under lesser forces. Heavier elements such as structural steel broke into pieces at the weaker bolted connections... bolts had heads sheared off... or pulled through the bolt holes. There was a high heat event at the plane impact zones which had fires and something causing heating of the core column steel for 1 hr for T2 and 1.5 hrs for T1... In combination with destroyed columns from the plane impacts the remaining columns were *working* close to their yield strength which was being eroded by the increasing heat. The twisted, distorted and bent columns are buckled columns which occurs when loads exceed yield strength... and those all came from the impact zones and were the last columns holding the stories above. Is the photographic record that she bases much of her observations on reliable? Photos don't lie. Interpretations of an image can be accurate or not or a combination of the two. I think Wood makes some incorrect analysis of the visual record. For Wood's detractors: is there information in the book you find valuable? Having not read the book, only heard some her verbal presentations and interviews... I find the photographic record she has assembled valuable but her science and analysis in many cases poor and misleading. Her energy analysis of the predicted collapse time is simply wrong. Here is an interview by a physicist of Judy Wood. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017 This post has been edited by SanderO: Jun 3 2012, 07:39 AM |
Jun 3 2012, 09:30 AM
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Good thread, and good questions posed. Sadly, Woods is rather like Kryptonite for many in the truth movement--her ideas cause an allergic and irrational reaction, and personality and ad hominem attacks overwhelm good dialogue.
Besides the dustification are the molten steel that was there for days or weeks, and the cars with blistered paint and melted tires. I don't know enough about DEW to make an informed decision on that, but some special weapon was used, no doubt. My opinion is that some sort of tactical nuclear weapons, low yield, were employed. |
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Can you point to some vids or literature about tactical nukes which produced similar destruction? |
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I was hoping you could you all the hard work. Im really busy chugging down a bottle of wine and snacking on cheese and lobster. It is hard to walk in snow wearing high heel shoes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nonono.gif) |
Jun 4 2012, 09:24 AM
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Sorry gents, I have no proof.
Just a hunch, based upon some of the circumstantial evidence there, and the probability that since the military was involved, tactical nukes of some flavor or the other might well have been involved. Primarily some of the photos taken from above during the collapse, including the one at the top of this thread, and of course the bizarre heat effects shown by the various vehicles nearby. And I think it's been shown that there was a rather large radiation footprint shown in the area, along with the pools of molten steel. This post has been edited by amazed!: Jun 4 2012, 09:26 AM |
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