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Dems Have Swagger in October; Republicans Point to 'Poll'-a-Tricks
In Patch's latest survey of political insiders, Democrats are riding a wave of confidence as Obama leads in polls. GOP insiders say that's a result of faulty national and swing state polling — and the "liberal" media.
Heading into the final weeks before the presidential election, it appears the Democrats are feeling better than Republicans when it comes to whose going to win in November — at least according to Patch latest survey of political insiders.
However, many of the GOP insiders say that Democratic confidence is built on a foundation made of sand. For them, the latest national and swing state polls showing President Barack Obama with a widening lead over Republican Mitt Romney have been faulty at best.
Patch's GOP insiders also say Romney is not only fighting Obama in this election, but a liberal media that "exalts" the current president.
Throughout the campaign, Patch has polled both Democrat and Republican influencers in its "Blue Wisconsin" and "Red Wisconsin" surveys to gather insight about issues surrounding the election.
You're invited: Watch Wednesday's presidential debate at Patch's viewing party
Unlike a scientific poll of voters, which typically surveys hundreds of people, the Patch surveys take the pulse of some of Wisconsin's most influential Republicans and Democrats.
For the latest survey, Patch asked insiders to gauge if confidence in their candidate has wavered or strengthened from where it was before the two national conventions.
62% of Democrats say they are 'much more confident' about Obama's chances of winning than they were before the conventions; 15% of Republicans said the same of Romney
Patch sent questionnaires to 99 key Republican activists, elected officials, bloggers, and others who agreed to anonymously give their opinions in a series of surveys between now and the November election. Patch received completed surveys from 66 people — or 68 percent of those surveyed.
A total 42 Democratic insiders responded to the survey, a 66 percent response rate.
Democrats Feel Good About Obama's Chances
From the responses, it's clear that Democrats have some October swagger. Roughly 62 percent said they were "much more confident" in Obama's re-election chances than they were before the August conventions. And 71 percent strongly agreed with the statement that Obama would win the election, if it were held today.
By contrast, 15 percent of GOP insiders felt "much more confident" about Romney's chances of victory since the conventions. And 24 percent strongly agreed that Romney would win if the election were held today. Most GOP insiders — 41.5 percent — said their confidence levels remained the same as it was before the conventions.
When it comes to who is going to carry Wisconsin, GOP influencers were feeling a bit better about Romney's chances, with 24 percent "strongly agreeing" that he would win the state. However, 71 percent of Democrats surveyed said the same about Obama.
Poor Polls, Maligned Media
GOP insiders contend that the Democrats' confidence is simply a castle made of inflated poll numbers, and a liberal media that paints a rosy picture for Obama. Roughly 89 percent of all GOP insiders agreed or strongly agreed that the national and swing state polls are skewed, and do not reflect the closeness of the election.
Nearly 90% of Republicans say the polls are skewed and don't reflect the closeness of the race
"There is an over sampling of Democrats because pollsters are using projected turnout numbers based on 2008. That inherently is flawed," said one GOP insider. "People understand that Obama can't stop the seas from rising. In fact, many people understand that Obama can't even manage a lemonade stand."
Other GOP insiders claim Romney is facing two opponents in this election: Obama and the media. Insiders claim the media is regurgitating spoon-fed information from the Obama administration, and the media are doing what they can to spin Obama's presidency in a positive light.
"The media is working overtime to not only convince Americans that the president has done a good job, but are also the ones taking the polls; therefore, are trying to prop Obama up in them," one GOP insider said.
Romney Is Romney's Worst Enemy
However, Democrats claim Romney has no one to blame but himself. Democrats say Romney's gaffes are the reason Obama has rallied in the polls, and has increased their confidence in his re-election chances. Democrats pointed to Romney's largest "gaffe" in what has become known as the "47 Percent" video.
"The primary reason for Obama's significant gains in the recent polls is the terrible Romney/Ryan campaign — especially the '47 Percent' video," said one Democrat insider. "It was devastating to Romney and has turned into a very effective ad by the Obama campaign."
On Democrat insider said the video, in which Romney told a group of wealthy supporters that 47 percent of Americans will back Obama and are government freeloaders who pay no income taxes, articulated a stronger message.
"Romney's video showed him as either a man who literally disdains half the country, or a man who wanted to come across as such to a rich donor," the Democratic insider said. "In either case, it shows a flawed character. He has started to self destruct."
Opinions on the race from both Democrat and GOP insiders could drastically change after the first head-to-head debate between the two candidates Wednesday. Join Patch for a viewing party at 7:30 p.m. Wednesday at the Rosebud Theater in Wauwatosa.
Patch will be conducting Red Wisconsin and Blue Wisconsin surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of active members of both parties in the Badger State.
Participants in Patch's Red Wisconsin Survey are:
Jim Bender, president of School Choice Wisconsin, former chief of staff for Assembly Republican Leader Jeff Fitzgerald; Bill Berdan, first vice chairman, Wauwatosa Republicans; Keith Best, public relations chairman for Waukesha County Republicans; Bob Bradley, party activist; Charles Brey, field director for state Assembly candidate Tracy Herron; Tracy Brodd, Republican campaign worker; Paul Bucher, former Waukesha County district attorney and candidate for Wisconsin attorney general; Roy Catron, Tea Party activist; Andrew Cegielski, former Milwaukee County Board candidate; Sara Conrad, party activist; Bill Cosh, spokesman for the state Department of Natural Resources; Michael Crowley, Waukesha County supervisor; Jake Curtis, former state Assembly candidate; Lou D'Abbraccio, board member, Racine County Republican Party; Brian Dey, Racine County Tea Party member; Fred Dooley, conservative blogger; Steven Duckhorn, former Republican candidate for Milwaukee County sheriff; Bill Folk, chairman of Racine County Republican Party;Elisabeth Friesen, Republican activist; Jesse Garza, chairman, St. Croix County Republican Party; Mark Green, senior director of the U.S. Global Leadership Coalition, former U.S. ambassador to Tanzania and former congressman; Chris Haines, longtime campaign volunteer and former GOP campaign manager; Deb Hawley Jordahl, conservative strategist and consultant; John Hiller, co-chair of Scott Walker's transition team as governor; Sandra Hollander, member of Mitt Romney's "Juntos con Romney" leadership team; Ethan Hollenberger, former chairman of the College Republicans at Marquette University and staff member on several legislative campaigns; Mark Honadel, state reprsentative, 21st District; Marguerite Ingold, party activist; Valerie Johnson, former GOP fundraiser and staffer for various campaigns; Thomas J. Keeley, political consultant; Scott Kelly, communications director for former state Sen. Van Wanggaard; Cindy Kilkenny, conservative blogger; Rik Kluessendorf, attorney and former state Assembly candidate; Dan Knodl, state representative, 24th District; Tif Koehler, campaign volunteer and civic leader; Johnny Koremenos, regional field director for Tommy Thompson campaign; Gordon Lang, member of North Shore Republicans; Chris Larsen, trustee in Village of Sturtevant Trustee; Noelle Lorraine, field coordinator for Americans for Prosperity; John P. Macy, first vice chairman of Waukesha County Republican Party; Kathleen Madden, Waukesha County Clerk of Circuit Court; Ginny Marschman, party activist; Jessica McBride, conservative columnist; Bill McCoshen political consultant and; former cabinet secretary for Gov. Tommy Thompson; Joe Medina, party activist; Randy Melchert, field director for Mark Neumann's campaign; Gerald Mellone, Brookfield alderman; Ryan Morgan, conservative blogger; Dean Munday, conservative blogger; Mark Neumann, U.S. Senate candidate and former congressman; Kelly O'Brien, founder of Shorewood Citizens for Responsible Government; Eric Wm. Olsen, conservative activist; Nick Oliver, state Assembly candidate, 22nd District; Victoria Ostry, treasurer of the Wisconsin Federation of Republican Women.; Rick Owen, Brookfield alderman; Monnine Parnitzke, party activist; Steve Ponto, mayor of Brookfield; Don Pridemore, state representative, 99th District; Paris Procopis, grassroots activist; Jim Pugh, director of public relations and issue management for Wisconsin Manufacturers and Commerce; Denise Rate, Tea Party member; Bob Reddin, Brookfield alderman and executive director, Jobs First Coalition; Pam Reeves, treasurer, Waukesha County Republicans; Joe Rice, former county supervisor and member of North Shore Republicans Executive Committee; Nate Ristow, candidate for 13th District State Assembly; Brandon Rosner, Wisconsin Republican consultant; Bill Savage, aide to state Rep. Don Pridemore and officer of Menomonee Falls Taxpayers Association; Jim Schaefer, Muskego-Norway School Board president; Josh Schimek, conservative blogger; JB Schmidt, conservative blogger; Christian Schneider, senior fellow at Wisconsin Policy Research Institute and former policy analyst for Wisconsin State Legislature; Ashley Schultz, state director of the Recall Action Fund; Nick Schweitzer, Libertarian pundit and blogger; Tim Schwister, former State Assembly candidate; Dan Sebring, vice chairman, Milwaukee County Republicans and candidate for 4th Congressional District; Cathy Stepp, Wisconsin Natural Resources secretary and former state senator; Jeff Stone, state representative, 82nd District; Jonathan Strasburg, attorney; Dave Swarthout, board member, 1st Congressional District Republicans; Charles Sykes, conservative talk show host for WTMJ Radio; Steve Taylor, Milwaukee County supervisor; Jenny Toftness, executive director of the Republican Assembly Campaign Committee; Greg Torres, Jefferson County supervisor; Jim Villa, former chief of staff to County Executive Scott Walker and Alberta Darling; current CEO of Commercial Association of REALTORS® Wisconsin; Robin Vos, state representative; 63rd District; Dan Vrakas, Waukesha County Executive; Yash Wadhwa, former State Assembly candidate; Jeff Wagner, conservative talk show host, WTMJ Radio; Tom Weatherston, candidate for 62nd Assembly District and Village of Caledonia trustee; Steve Welcenbach, head of the Menomonee Falls Taxpayers Association and Tea Party activist; Todd Welch, Wisconsin state coordinator at Campaign for Liberty; James Wigderson, conservative blogger and columnist for Waukesha Freeman; Eddie Willing, conservative columnist in Racine County and executive director of FoundersIntent.org; Chris Wright, Sturtevant village trustee and former candidate for State Assembly; Phil Ziegler, CEO of InPro Inc. and party activist.
Patch's Blue Wisconsin Survey participants are:
Kelley Albrecht, candidate for 63rd State Assembly District; Mandela Barnes, candidate for 11th State Assembly District; Ron Biendseil, vice chair for membership, Dane County Democratic Party; Tammy Bockhorst, membership secretary/membership chair, Milwaukee County Democratic Party; Randy Bryce, candidate for 62nd State Assembly District; Brian Carlson, liberal blogger; Sachin Chheda, chair, Milwaukee County Democratic Party; Jeff Christensen, chair, 5th Congressional District Democrats; Mark Conforti, chief negotiator for the Fox Point-Bayside Teachers Association; Rick Congdon, former judge and former chair, Democratic Party of Waukesha County; Deb Dassow, progressive and labor activist, and semi-retired educator; Victor Drover, liberal blogger; Dale Dulberger, party activist; Perry Duman, candidate for the 60th State Assembly District; Brett Eckstein, Democratic attorney; Waring R. Fincke, vice chair, Washington County Democratic Party; Stephanie Findley, chair, 4th Congressional District Democrats; Kelly Gallaher, founding member, Community for Change; Heather Geyer, liberal columnist; Ginny Goode, Grassroots North Shore; Darcy Gustavsson, party activist; Kristin Hansen, neighborhood team leader, Obama for America and co-host, Drinking Liberally Waukesha; Robert Hansen, co-chair of Progressive Democrats of America in Milwaukee County; John Heckenlively, secretary, 1st Congressional District Democrats; Kelly Herda, treasurer, Democratic Party of Wisconsin Women's Caucus and political consultant; Robert Heule, Region 5 Chair, Democratic Party of Milwaukee County; Peter Knudsen, legislative aide and longtime Democratic staffer; Marga Krumins, candidate for 97th State Assembly District and associate chair Democratic Party of Wisconsin Women's Caucus; Bill Kurtz, candidate for 21st Assembly District; John Lehman, state senator, 21st District; Matthew Lowe, youth outreach director, Waukesha County Democratic Party; Fran Martin, election observer for the Democratic Party and appeared in Wangaard recall ads; Tom Michalski, Oak Creek alderman; Bridget Moen, chair, Democratic Party of Ozaukee County; Meg Moen, treasure, Democratic Party of Ozaukee County; Rick Moze, party activist; Lisa Mux liberal blogger, and co-founder and co-host of Drinking Liberally Waukesha; Thad Nation, political consultant and former aide to Gov. Jim Doyle; Larry Nelson, former Waukesha mayor, current County Board supervisor and delegate to Democratic National Convention; Jason Patzfahl, liberal blogger and founding member of the Progressive 28th Political Action Committee; Jeffrey Perzan , attorney and party activist; Colin Plese, Shorewood School Board member; John Pokrandt, candidate for 13th State Assembly District; Steven Potter, communications aide, state Democratic Party; Jason Rae, Democratic National Committee member; Aaron Robertson, party activist; Chris Rockwood, candidate for 14th State Assembly District; Kristopher Rowe, party activist; Keith Schmitz, member, State Democratic Platform Committee and founding member, Grassroots North Shore; Richard Schwalb, party activist; Erin Sievert, chairwoman, Jefferson County Democrats; Kathleen Slamka, party activist; Eilene Stevens, party activist; Mike Tate, chair , Democratic Party of Wisconsin; Melissa Ugland, business owner and party activist; Sarah Wagner, community activist for Wisconsin Jobs Now; Jamie Wall, candidate for 8th Congressional District; Jim Ward, candidate, 28th State Senate District; Jane Witt, chair of Racine County Democrats; and Graeme Zielinski, communications director, Wisconsin Democratic Party.
Blair Nielsen
5:57 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
You talk alot about Romneys 47% video but don't mention Obamas "I support redistribution of wealth" tape. Kind of proved the point of media bias I think.
8:00 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Yes - Romney did dump on 47% of the country - and yes - he wants to redistribute wealth - more social security money for the poor and less for the wealthy - flip flop - flip flop.
Bob McBride
8:13 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
How, exactly, is acknowledging that the 47% of the country that to some extent relies on the government assistance (whether it be in the form of direct assistance or tax relief) is unlikely to vote for him dumping on that portion of the country? It's absolutely true. Why even attempt to target that segment of the population in your campaign? They're going to vote for Obama. I honestly don't understand why people have a problem with that. Is it because he didn't dress the statement up nicely? If Obama said the same thing about people making over the magical $250K, which we've arbitrarily decided is too much and in need of trimming, courtesy of the government, the same folks with hurt feeling over Romney's words would be foaming at the mouth cheering Obama on.
8:54 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
So Mr. McBride - as Romney said 47% of Americans " do not take responsibility" for their lives - that they are takers - guess Romney does not think members of our military take responsibility for their lives - or yours for that matter - flip flop -
Bob McBride
9:16 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
If I were a net taker or employed directly by the government and I voted strictly in my own self interest, I'd vote for Obama. The Obama campaign is specifically targeting that segment with their ads attacking Romney and Ryan. What greater proof do you need than that that Romney speaks the truth? If you don't like the words he used, tough. You weren't going to vote for him anyways.
Why do you think Obama doesn't hold back when it comes to talking about raising taxes (even when he's not just speaking privately to a bunch of supporters) on those over a certain income? Because he knows he's not going to get their vote anyways. He's better off exploiting class envy to his advantage and getting folks like you all wound up.
John Wilson
9:38 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Blair Nielsen -
You might not know that one of government's actual functions is to "redistribute wealth"; the main mechanism for doing so is the TAX CODE and how the government spends our TAXES.
President Obama simply told you what most people in America, who read the Constitution, actually know.
The United States of America has "redistributed wealth" for centuries, this is not a new idea from President Obama. I know this somewhat undercuts your argument; however, it does provide you with some much need facts.
James R Hoffa
10:07 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@sigmund kolatzki -
The 47% comment was made in the context of a question pertaining to targeted campaign strategy.
So, let Hoffa get this straight - Romney was upfront, straight-forward, and brutally honest about his targeted campaign strategy, and yet you find him to be "dump[ing[ on 47% of the country."
Meanwhile, Obama launches, with a grandiose speech, a race based targeted campaign strategy towards African Americans, but won't come out and be honest with the American people and admit that he's being racist - and yet you're OK with this?!?!
Hoffa has looked and looked but can't find any speech from Obama about a White Americans for Obama, Asian Americans for Obama, Native Americans for Obama etc. campaign targeting strategy, can you?
Using your logic, Obama has written off all non African-Americans from his campaign.
Even liberal MSNBC pundit Ed Schultz admitted that Obama likes to play the race card:
But Obama won't come clean with the people and admit to it!!!
So, you prefer a guy who clearly plays the race card but denies doing so to the American people (a LIE), vs a guy who's straight-forward, upfront, and brutally honest about his targeted campaign strategy?
So you prefer a LIAR over a straight-shooter - at least you admit to it!
James R Hoffa
10:08 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
Not all taxation is redistribution.
John Wilson
11:09 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Bob McBride –
Having Willard disrespect 47% of the population, simply on the basis that they do not pay federal income taxes – you agree with him – and not expect for there to be a significant backlash is very naïve. Largely, almost every American is both a giver and a taker.
"If I were a net taker or employed directly by the government and I voted strictly in my own self-interest, I would vote for Obama."
What are the metrics used to determine a "NET TAKER"?
Would you still vote for Obama if you were INDIRECTLY employed by the government?
Do people vote for any other reason than their own self-interest and if so what are these reasons?
"The Obama campaign is specifically targeting that segment with their ads attacking Romney and Ryan. What greater proof do you need than that that Romney speaks the truth?"
The Obama campaign is REPEATING, TO ALL OF AMERICA, ROMNEY'S TRUTHS!
Let me see if I can follow your reasoning here. Willard has been on every side possible of every topic imaginable and both can and does change his position in a Nano-second, depending upon the environment. Ryan has lied about his marathon time, his BMI score, GM plant closing, and voted for TARP, Stimulus Plan, Auto Loan for GM, the entire Bush spending 98% of the time, and yet, another verifiable lie, touts himself as a "fiscal conservative?" Now, you want us to consider the WORD of WILLARD, (and Ryan) as YOU PUT IT, to see "Romney speaks the truth."
Bob McBride
11:12 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Wilson I didn't read your long-winded response. I assume you disagree with me. I don't care. Romney properly identified 47% of the population that's unlikely to vote for him and to which it makes no sense to attempt to appeal. If you wish to be insulted by that, so be it. You weren't voting for him in the first place.
11:15 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Bob McBride -- So it's only 'government assistance' and lack of personal responsibility if your deductions/exemption/credits obviate the need to pay federal income tax rather than reducing your burden significantly like in the case of *cough* Mitt Romney and many of those rich fatheads he was blathering to in the video?
11:22 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
"Romney properly identified 47% of the population that's unlikely to vote for him and to which it makes no sense to attempt to appeal."
Except he misidentified the group. I would think that many serving soldiers and working class people who rely on the combat exemption and the mortgage deduction and end up owing no federal income tax would have voted for Romney before he implied they were 'dependent' victims who take no personal responsibility. I think you can throw some seniors in there as well.
Bob McBride
11:33 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Randy he was properly identifying a segment of the population that isn't going to vote for him and, again, to which it makes no sense to attempt to appeal. You aren't voting for him, you never were going to vote for him and if you're offended because you think you he's insulting you personally, too bad. I still don't see why that's a big deal. He's being honest about it.
Your guy is whipping you up saying he's going to stick it to "the rich" and cut you a break when, in fact, you'll likely get no breaks whatsoever. And the rich, as they always do, will find a way to avoid taxes. You should know that by now.
11:38 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Bob McBride -- I don't think you really listened to what Mitt said, nor have you read what I wrote. Some of the people who owe no federal income tax are in no way 'takers' and some of them will most likely continue to vote for Romney. It's just in insight into how this out of touch plutocrat thinks.
By the way, I'm a member of the 'worthy' 53% who pay federal income tax, and I'm not voting for Romney. He hasn't a clue.
Bob McBride
11:40 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Randy, do you think everyone who's making over $250K is NOT going to vote for Obama? Do you see him actively attempting to embrace that group of folks? What is it that makes it impossible for you to understand that candidates cannot simultaneously appeal to each and every segment of society out there and, yet, will draw supporters from those segments they choose not to spend to much time pursuing? Obama's staked out territory, so has Romney. So what? How is this different than any other election we've gone through, other than the fact that it's the one we're going through right now?
Jesus...for a bunch of old farts it's amazing how some of us act like this is the first time we've been through one of these things....
Bob McBride
11:53 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Randy, I've listened to him. I've listened to the edited versions used in the ads the Obama campaign is using. I've read what you wrote. Doesn't change a thing. You're hearing it through a filter that predisposes you to find it offensive. I think it makes perfect sense. Why should he waste resources attempting to appeal to a portion of the population that's going to vote for Obama already? Why should Obama waste resources attempting to appeal to those in the segment of the population that he identifies as being "the rich". What's the difference?
James R Hoffa
12:13 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Randy1949 -
Where's your outrage over Obama's racism that he won't admit to?
John Wilson
3:02 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
"Not all taxation is redistribution"
REALLY, then please tell me what it is?
When you take $$$ from one group – taxpayers – and give that $$$ to the oil companies in the form of subsidies, I would call that Corporate Welfare Redistribution…
You would probably call it… "JOB CREATOR" ASSISTANCE?
Additionally, the GAO, back in August 2012, projected a growth in jobs, as a matter of fact, 12M jobs in 4 years, using the current status of our economy as a basis for that prediction...
Now, along comes Willard, and says that if his vulture capitalism plan, coupled with Lyn' Ryan's 20% tax reduction, the destruction of Medicare for vouchers, plus elimination of tax deductions he will not tell you about, until AFTER THE ELECTION, etc., will create 12M jobs in 4-years... plus we have to have Willard, a crazy man in our living room every day for 4-years and we can look forward to having the arrogant, "it would take too long to explain the math," preppy kid take over the presidency when Willard goes psychotic on us... just who do you think NON RACISTS and RATIONAL people who love this country OVER ANY STUPID PARTY is going to pick?
John Wilson
3:18 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Bob McBride –
"Doesn't change a thing. You're hearing it through a filter that predisposes you to find it offensive."
Ah, forgive me, I completely forgot about the infamous OFFENSIVE FILTER!
That damn OFFENSIVE FILTER comes to all fully human beings, who think, feel, discern, possess the capacity for empathy, compassion, justice, human and civil rights, and, mostly to differentiate between mountains of elephant droppings and the TRUTH…
Yeah, I am hearing you very clearly through that OFFENSIVE FILTER... because you are OFFENSIVE...
James R Hoffa
12:02 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
Some excise taxes, such as the tax on petrol fuels, go to support the infrastructure that the users of such systems rely upon - not the arbitrary redistribution of wealth.
As far as Romney goes, he's not making any specific promises because he realizes that his power as President is limited. He's not sure what he'll be able to get through Congress. As Ryan stated, the framework was advanced as a starting point for Congressional negotiation.
Contrast this to Obama, who makes specific promises, like a dictator, "take it to the bank," and then ends up lying about nearly everything he promised back in 2008 because he isn't a dictator - at least not yet anyway.
You can have fun with your running wild dictator that panders to his voters with false "take it to the bank" promises! Don't you think Obama should know the limitations of his power as President as a former Constitutional law authority? And yet, he's still making promises that he should know don't lie directly within the purview of his ability to control!
Hoffa doesn't know who has the bigger problem and disconnect with reality - you or Obama!
Personally, Hoffa is going with the team that realizes their limited role in our government and acknowledges such to the voter!
tom munson
6:04 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Polls using 40% to 47% Democrats are nor skewed or biased. They are wrong and false. Are they doing this on purpose? Yes
6:20 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Polls are worthless. The nation's conservatives will act as Wisconsin voters acted for Walker: Ignore liberal lies and win in a landslide.
John Wilson
11:19 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Nuitari -
"Polls are worthless."
Not only worthless, inane propaganda and extremely useless snapshots in time... unless, unless, unless, they show YOUR candidate AHEAD!
Then, they are priceless gems of scientific certainty...
Lyle Ruble
6:48 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Polls are snapshots only and subject to uncontrolled variables. Placing so much importance in them is foolish. A prime example is the inaccuracies in exit polling. Polling is important, in as much as it affects donors.
The idea that it is a liberal biased media is purely ridiculous just as voter fraud is ridiculous. Both are proven to be myths, but make conservatives feel better for not performing better.
7:29 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Lyle, Here's a simple analogy to help you with this one. A fish doesn't know its wet. The mainstream media is terribly biased. They have been Obama's lapdog. If nothing else, when they don't openly promote their agenda, they at least fail to report the other side. I honestly believe FoxNews is at least civil in their reporting, not at all like MSNBC where they flat out demonize everything and everyone conservative.
I'll admit voter registration isn't a huge problem...yet, but you are showing real ignorance on this since you obviously paid no attention to what happened in Racine County during the recall election. Officials ignore people pointing out fraud. They even had pre-made ballots.
Both proven to be myths? Keep your head in the sand if it makes you feel better.
Bob McBride
7:39 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Sort of like how liberals used ALEC and the Koch Bros to make themselves feel better about the results of the recall debacle, right Lyle?
Both sides think they're victims of biased media and subterfuge when they don't win. No need to be disingenuous and suggest only one side rationalizes its failures.
8:35 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
"...but make conservatives feel better for not performing better."
OK, Lyle, so how do you explain the "shellacking" dems took in 2010, and failed recall effort against the Governor? Looks like pretty good conservative performance to me. And btw, what is your explaination for such bad dem performance? I've been willing to put myself out there on prediction, but you are always "wait and see." And then no comment. It is the professorial way, eh? Never make a decision until it is too late. We have a President just like that.
Lyle Ruble
11:05 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Nuitari....I have been listening to complaints about media for, well let's see, four or five decades. I don't pay any attention to MSNBC or Fox, since I know the bias of each network. I do listen to right wing talk radio knowing full well what their biases are. What am I missing here? Are you and others claiming that the American public is so stupid that the media is really instrumental in swaying them one way or the other. i don't think so.
As far as polling goes, neither party should be all that enthusiastic about polls. The conservatives are always talking about individuality and personal responsibility; if a conservative is down in the polls, maybe there's something wrong with the candidate's message or campaign. With the economy as sluggish as it is, then Romney should be whippin' Obama's butt. I suggest it's something at about Romney/Ryan and not the media or the polls.
Lyle Ruble
11:10 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@bob McBride...I happen to agree with you. Can't blame ALEC, Kochs, or any other third party fall guys. Money buys air time that's all. Both sides look for easy answers to deflect away from what they don't know anything about. I agree that Romney was stating a fact about the 47% that aren't going to vote for him under any circumstance. To me that wasn't news, but an opportunity for the left to make hay. Romney has a campaign crisis of his own making. The opposition are just taking advantage of his own missteps.
Lyle Ruble
11:18 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@GearHead...How do I explain the "shellacking" that Democrats took in 2010? That's quite simple; people were ready for a change. In addition, the Democrats put up some pretty weak candidates as choices. The only candidate that surprised me was Feingold's loss to Johnson. But, keeping in mind people were looking for change, it's not all that surprising.
As far as recalling the governor, I predicted the outcome and that it was too early to attempt such a recall. If they were planning a recall it should have been after this November's election. The 2013/2014 budget is where the rubber meets the road. Especially if the Republicans can't regain the State Senate. Walker and the Republicans picked all the low hanging fruit during the last budget cycle. In 2014 he had better have given the state 250K jobs or his butt is on the line.
Bob McBride
11:21 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Lyle, yep, except I don't blame Romney for the campaign. He's being mismanaged, he's been strapped with the wrong VP candidate and he, like McCain was, is being forced to pretend he's something he's not. Nothing was learned in '08, apparently. Left to his own devices he'd be a good presidential candidate and a good president. As it is, he looks uncomfortable in his own skin and the VP, once again, is controversial and not VP material.
12:37 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Lyle, yes the bias issue as been around for a while, but it escalated under Bush and then caught wildfire under Obama. Even if they were blushing over a Republican president, I will still have the sense of mind to at least recognize it.
And yes, I believe the majority of Americans are politically dumb and certainly uninformed. So many people still depend on newspapers and basic TV for their news and the sad thing is they take those sources as gospel. Fortunately or unfortunately the younger generations are turning to internet media for their news.
One last thing, again, polls are just good for water cooler conversation, and I treat them as such, no matter who is in the "lead".
John Taxthepoor
7:57 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
He is the biggest failure ever elected by feel good people. A swaggering hybred(a perfect blend of lib whitey and victim black) that fooled you all with talk promise,hope, and free stuff for all. What we got was nearly doubling of the debt, high unemployment, universal death care, and looming tax hikes for all. I say vote for him because it was BUSH's fault anyways,AND THERE IS THE UNIVERSAL EXCUSE FOR ANYTHING YOU CANNOT HANDLE. I mean really, at least he wasn't a CEO, because lord knows, a community chump organizer can run a country.
He got a whole lotta of Americans who fear the unknown.They fear work, fear not getting a handout, fear taking risk, fear staying fit, fear responsibility and fear accountability.
Your jealous of the rich and successful, Your jealous of those who work hard or serve in jobs that are dangerous. Your just jealous of your neighbors who have more than you, yet you do nothing to better yourself or situation, like QUIT SHAGGIN WHEN YOU HAVE NO MEANS TO SUPPORT KIDS.
You abort children like there is tomarrow, yet allow dysfunctional humans to stick around to further molest, rob, and kill us. You reject GOD but embrace government as your idol.
I say vote for that democratic swagger, you can have it. You have alot to brag about. Me, i going for evil corporations and 1%'ers, they will allow me to work and control my own destiney.
John Wilson
11:29 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
John Taxthepoor -
As an example of the quintessential TAKER, you might have left at least ONE drop of that GOP vile, hatred Kool-Aide in the water tower...
Frances Martin
7:59 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The Marquette poll has been remarkably accurate ,and those of you who think it's biased should remember it predicted the recall vote right on target--wishful thinking to suggest it's biased (though I admit that was my sentiment prior to the recall vote).
James R Hoffa
9:47 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Frances -
So, let Hoffa get this straight - it was ok for you to scream bias about the MU poll when it went against your side (despite being proven accurate), but it's now not ok for conservatives to scream bias about the poll when it goes against their candidate?!?!
Yeah, Hoffa can see that the infamous hypocritical liberal double standard is still fully intact!
FYI - The MU poll used the 2010 election as the baseline for their sampling on the recall race. As the recall race closely mirrored the turnout of 2010, it was proven to be highly accurate.
However, the MU poll is using 2008 as the baseline for the 2012 Presidential election. Will there be that kind of turnout again among the varying demographics - hard to say. We'll find out on November 6th. If turnout is down, then we'll know that the polls were skewed and biased.
8:31 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
All I have to say is according to the polls Walker was going to get voted out in the recall election...how'd that turn out again? What was it? 2 hours after the polls closed the race was called for Walker who won in a landslide?
Keith Best
9:31 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The Walker recall looniness was called after 45 minutes with the right outcome.
Romney/ Ryan are the cure......Obama/ Biden is the disease.
9:05 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Oh, yeah when all else fails, blame the media! We have had many polling calls and I have been proud to support our President in Waukesha County too, who would have guessed, right? I hear Romney is going to install some zingers in Wednesday's debate to try to make him seem more normal or funny, more like embarrass himself and go down in the polls more. People want facts and figures and if you heard Ryan on Sunday, he says he doesn't have time to explain the math, it would take too long and then he told Charlie Sykes on radio yesterday that if he took the time to explain their math, people would change channels and not watch!??? The GOP made their own bed supporting tea party crazies and voting Reince in as chair who just slam talks Obama and put on a cheap boring convention. Face it, Romney was a poor choice and now the GOP will come up with anything to win, voter suppression, hiring companies to register hundreds of Republican only voters in southeastern states which were caught last week and stopped. Oh, yeah it will be the media's fault if Romney doesn't win. Remember Palin, blame the media didn't work for her either!
9:18 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The Lefty 'polling calls' are really biased political ads. I had one the other day that asked about my level of approval of Romney/Ryan on various issues. After each answer, the recording stated lies and propaganda about that issue and then asked the question again. It's no wonder why polling results are favoring the Dems--they try to lead people to give the answer they want to hear...
9:29 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
cow, it goes both ways, but the one's I had recently were not skewed and did not let on who they were for, they were clear nonpartisan groups.
9:33 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Not sure that it does go both ways--before this I've never taken a phone poll that tries to change my opinion, much less tells lies to influence my answer. I don't see my side doing such things...
9:46 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
cow, don't be in denial, I have had more calls from Republican leaning pollsters than Dems here in Waukesha County because they just assume because of our area that we will agree with them. Maybe it depends where you live, what types of calls you will get. But the point is, I believe both sides do it and it doesn't sway opinion when you've made up your mind anyway. It was like that with the governor race and the recall. Now I am not seeing that from this race, but I suppose with Thompson Baldwin, those will be coming...
James R Hoffa
9:52 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Menoparent -
The math adds up. If Romney's plan creates the kind of job growth that he's projecting, 12M new private sector jobs, we'll have12M more people paying into the system. With 12M more people working, they won't be draining from the system any longer either - so we'll actually be able to cut spending. With the combination of additional revenues and decreased spending, it will be possible to lower the marginal rates, without affecting middle/working class exemptions and deductions, and experience revenue neutrality - not that we necessarily need revenue neutrality, as Romney/Ryan plan to cut a lot more spending from the federal budget.
It works. Why Ryan couldn't explain it this way when being interviewed by Chris Wallace on Sunday is beyond Hoffa - maybe Ryan was just having an off day.
Granted, Hoffa prefers his proposed federal tax plan over Romney's, it's definitely better than the alternative of higher taxes across the board that is being offered by Obama and the Dems!
John Wilson
11:36 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Menoparent -
Damn, you are good! Spot on! Thank YOU!
I am astounded and extremely happy to hear ONE VOICE OF REASON coming out of that vile, GOP, hate-infested County of Waukesha...
11:40 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@John Wilson -- *raises hand and waves* I live in Waukesha County. It's lonely sometimes.
James R Hoffa
12:18 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
When's the last time you saw conservative protestors marching around the capital with signs depicting Democratic leaders as Adolf Hitler? Hoffa can't recall any time that this has occurred in our state's history.
Now, when's the last time you saw liberal protestors marching around the capital with signs depicting Governor Walker and Republican leaders as Adolf Hitler?
Clearly, the vile and hate filled counties in the state would be primarily Dane and Milwaukee.
Care to try again?
12:29 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Thanks John, although there are few, I am not only one in Waukesha County.
John Wilson
2:23 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Willard has consistently attempted to twist his 47% comments into so many pretzels, that now Disneyland is coming out with the 47% Willard Pretzel…
Lyin' Ryan has characterized the 47% comment by Willard as "Obviously inarticulate."
Now, most of America can see their lips moving – like the used car salesman – but we can't hear you…
James R Hoffa
12:04 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
Can't deny the reality of Hoffa's statement, so instead, and in true Alinsky fashion, you attempt to shift the subject!
John Wilson
1:22 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
CowDung -
It is interesting to learn that you talk with robo-recordings; I guess that answers all my questions about you...
John Wilson
9:23 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Every election year cycle brings forth nefarious, confounding and dumbfounding charges – usually by the party getting their derriere handed to them – that the polls are skewed, and the eternal scapegoat, the liberal media is against our candidate. [Of course, these charges are never leveled, either at the polls or at the liberal media when their candidate is neck-and-neck or ahead. The liberal media, obviously, and always is the media that actually accurately conveys the facts.]
At the end of the day, we have a Patch piece startling revelation: the political party perceived as losing in an election is going to try and salvage their candidate and all their supporters egos, by attempting to find a scapegoat; usually that gosh darn liberal media – think Fox News savaging Willard and Lyin' Ryan here – or the polls, the weather, the antibiotics in our meat, our DNA altered fruit and vegetables or an unfair GOD…
Could it just boil down to having a very poor candidate, bad campaign staff, inept messaging and he/she being a lame product that simply cannot be sold?
Is this really NEWS?
Please recognize that the first (3) letters in NEWS is NEW…
Keith Best
9:34 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
John Wilson- no scapegoat....just victory.
At the end of this, the American people will realize that 8% and over unemployment with more people out of work now than when he took office, is unexceptable.
Romney/ Ryan are the cure...Obama/ Biden is the disease.
James R Hoffa
9:55 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
You're free to trust secondary third party sources as much as your heart desires - as for Hoffa, he'll stick to the primary source facts, thank you very much - they are the only real unbiased TRUTH out there today.
Michael McClusky
9:45 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Polls only matter within two weeks of any election. Even still, sometimes they are proven inaccurate after the fact.
9:57 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Any swagger the democrats have is from knowing they OWN the moocher class; one that continues to grow thanks to a failing economy and greatly expanded moocher programs. Not my idea of prosperity being just around the corner.
Dirk Gutzmiller
10:21 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Gearhead - Keep calling people MOOCHERS that get SS, Medicare, and those that have major disabilities and you keep alienating them. And many of those 47% of the U.S. "moochers" are socially conservative Republicans and independents who could be insulted by silver foot in his mouth Romney, and no wonder the Republicans have a tangled and shredded strategy for winning an election.
10:52 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Dirk: Keep insulting those who earn the money and pay the taxes - only to see it being squandered by moochers bragging about their free Obama phones, and cities blowing stimulus monies on dubious projects. Some of those responsible Americans are Democrats and independants who shudder at the thought of what another Obama term means to their future.
James R Hoffa
12:25 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Dirk -
Actually, those receiving SS and Medicare are currently receiving substantially more than what they paid into the system, so yeah, they would be properly classified as moochers for the amounts that they're receiving above and beyond what they paid in.
As for the disabled, well, there's the government's definition of disabled and then there's the truly disable! And those who are truly disable and wholly incapable of helping themselves represents less than 1% of our overall population. They are non-moochers. For the rest of the so-called 'disabled' though, yes they are moochers!
What of it? Romney's not running for President to get people to like him or get rich (he's already rich, as you guys on the left just love to point out as if it's some evil/bad thing) - he's running because he sees problems with the US that he believes he can fix!
John Wilson
2:04 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Regarding those PRIMARY SOURCES...
Many people who paid a lifetime into SS and Medicare die long before they can ever collect it – damn moochers!
Some folks actually do receive, under Medicare or Medicaid more than what they ever paid into the Medicare program – these folks should be given the death penalty… no $$$; no Life!
Regarding the disabled, – you, of all people, really should NOT go there – and their designation as such, is really an ongoing process. Some people – no arms & no legs – are given a lifetime designation as disabled; most other folks are monitored and evaluated, mostly in 3-5 year increments, to determine if, in fact, they still qualify for the disability designation.
The Social Security Disability Rate was 4.1% of the population in 2005, and it has risen since that time. Therefore, "And those who are truly disable and wholly incapable of helping themselves represents less than 1% of our overall population." statement is, to be kind, grossly inaccurate.
Since Social Security is the final arbiter regarding who is actually disabled, based on their metrics, I see no reason to confer any credibility to what you "may think" the actual rate should be.
Finally, Willard is running for president because he is both mentally unstable and he has an unquenchable lust for power… that is all there is to that…
James R Hoffa
12:11 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
Again, the government definition of 'disabled,' is a joke - Hoffa used to do social work for Racine County. 98% of the people Hoffa dealt with in that job listed SSI disability as their sole source of income. And yet, Hoffa would commonly see 97% of those people hanging out with their friends, playing basketball, doing roofing work, etc. But they can't work for a living, because according to you and government, they're disabled - BULL!!!
As Hoffa previously stated, less than 1% of the population is TRULY disabled and incapable of helping themselves - and Hoffa is all for helping those people!
You want to help scam artists, that's fine, just do it with your own money instead of Hoffa's!!!
John Wilson
3:22 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
The "JOKE" here, particularily regarding the issue of "Disability" is that you want your Narcissistic Personal Disorder to redefine "Disability." Forget what our government, laws and statutes say about "Disability", the only definition of "Disability" that counts is Hoffa's personal opinion… you are one sick puppy!
Hoffa once saw a tanned guy playing basketball...
Magical qualities, like Bush looking int the eyes of Putin and ascertaining that he was a really fine man… That's the REAL problem with the GOP, it goes far beyond their rigid, intolerant lack of any other view, ability to compromise, it is their BELIEF IN MAGICAL THINKING…
10:25 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012
Remember that Hoffa posts in third person--his imaginary friend is the magical Hoffa.
John Wilson
3:22 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
The "JOKE" here, particularily regarding the issue of "Disability" is that you want your Narcissistic Personal Disorder to redefine "Disability." Forget what our government, laws and statutes say about "Disability", the only definition of "Disability" that counts is Hoffa's personal opinion… you are one sick puppy!
Hoffa once saw a tanned guy playing basketball...
Magical qualities, like Bush looking int the eyes of Putin and ascertaining that he was a really fine man… That's the REAL problem with the GOP, it goes far beyond their rigid, intolerant lack of any other view, ability to compromise, it is their BELIEF IN MAGICAL THINKING…
James R Hoffa
11:24 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@lyin' John Wilson -
The only sick puppy around here is the one you see staring back at you in the mirror every morning (that is of course if you can actually stand seeing yourself in a mirror)!
The government isn't always right, nor does the government always do what's in the best interests of its citizenry, and and only a fool, such as yourself, would believe otherwise!
'Disability,' as far as receiving SSI benefits is concerned, should be properly defined as being fully incapable of helping ones self. Then, only those who are truly disabled would be getting the assistance they need and deserve, while all the scam artist moochers might have to start actually working for a living, as it should be!
Are you sure you aren't an old MK-Ultra experiment gone seriously wrong and rejected as a defect?
11:07 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I love all this moocher greedy talk on the right. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't have had the banking crisis, real estate fall out, the list could go on...... Greed caused all of this from the right, not too much giving from the left caused the recession. If Obama's governing were giving so much to the poor and lazy of this country, then we would have never gotten as far as 2008 and your 401k would still be in the hole.
With Romney/Ryan, their plan is the give more entitlements to the already fortunate in hopes that they pass it along to you.
Blair Nielsen
11:09 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@ J. Wilson, socialism only works til you run out of other peoples money.
John Wilson
12:12 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Blair Nielsen -
Capitalism only works until you run out of slaves... err... workers...
11:16 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
It's very simple Romney and Ryan and their rich donors want a Roman times Cleopatra kind of living. The very rich run the country and call the shots and the very poor must be humble to them. And the middle class will slowly go away and we won't need to worry about them interfering with what we want.
Blair Nielsen
11:21 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Obama said he would fix everything in four years or he din't deserve a second term. Well its four years later and everything is worse! You can't argue that. Obamas only hope for reelection is to give everything away. We can't afford four more years of that.
John Wilson
12:19 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Blair Nielsen -
"Well its four years later and everything is worse!"
Stock market is now at 13,500 - highest since 2007.
4.5M private sector jobs created
We are not losing 800k jobs a month
Housing market is turning around
Wall Street is solid and making more money than ever
(6) Mega-banks now control the entire economy and are larger than pre-2008
Yes, Blair, I see just what you mean: "Well its four years later and everything is worse!"
Nick Poulos
11:43 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@blair: In this election we are voting for the true good of the nation; our form of government is at stake: stay the course and Re-elect Obama.
You and the rest of the lemming-tribe of Rightists, those of you who have drunk the Republican cool-aid and who have stayed plugged into FOX news, who believe the PACS are telling the truth, I have to believe that you really do not want to give up your democratic republic; or, do you?!
This election is about morality and ethics. We need to reinvest, reinvigorate our Judeo-Christian and Aristotelian values, ethics, and social contract.
The Romney ticket is immoral at best. It is about the creation of a plutocratic oligarchy.
That is what the Romney ticket is all about. That and trying to figure out how to pretend to believe something and then say those words so in these last few weeks people will believe their lies and distorted facts.
Ryan and Romney have an immoral agenda, which they have carefully guarded from revealing lest the party-liners realize that this so-called Republican Platform is set to rule only the uber rich and those who can't think for themselves
12:15 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Blair: Obama's trillion dollar stimulus was immoral too. It amounts to $3200 for every man, woman and child, in the country. Grandma could have bought a lot of medication if Obama would have sent her the $3200. Or the family of 4 would have had a nice foot-up on tuition costs with the $12800 that Obama pissed up a rope, by lining the pockets of his ultra wealty friends. Immoral is laughing, when the money was wasted, saying "I guess the jobs weren't really shovel ready".
John Wilson
12:29 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Nick Poulos -
Spot on!
Ann Romney has every reason to be concern with Willard's "Mental Well-Being" should he become president... last Sunday all over TV...
I've been concerned about Willard's Mental Stability for the last 6-years he has been running for president...
I suspect that the choice of Lyin' Ryan for his VP running mate will only increase his chances of becoming the chosen ONE.
Imagine that, an emotionally unstable president, ready to slip off into psyco-land at any moment, and an arrogant, mighty mouse, only concerned with his body, and his ever-growing ability to lie, waiting in the wings to replace him.
Hey, folks, it's AMERICA!
James R Hoffa
1:06 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Nick Poulos -
This is same old tired line that you've used countless times here on Patch already - don't you have any new material to offer us?
11:43 am on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Menoparent you realize that it actually was too much giving from the left that caused the banks to collapse right? The left pressured banks into giving more loans to low income families because they thought it was everyone's right to own a home. Banks in turn gave high risk loans that ended up being foreclosed upon (Barney Frank spearheaded this movement and there were two ppl that warned of the housing crisis...any guesses who they were? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo). THAT'S what caused the economic collapse that we're still in right now. THAT'S what we have to look forward to with four more years.
12:09 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Mike, that was Fox News slant on it. Bush started the push for all to be homeowners and Alan Greenspan was all for it with no regulations as usual. I wonder if they knew the banks could handle the fall out by selling these bad loans to unknowing overseas banks. GREED! Until our banks were caught and could no longer sell these bad loans was when regulation was first thought of and even though Dems may have been in denial then, Bush was our president and did nothing about it. If I were a bank, I wouldn't give a loan to someone who didn't have a job or enough money to pay me back. They did it anyway, knowing they could screw it onto someone else or get bailed out which they did.
James R Hoffa
1:04 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Mike & @Menoparent -
Actually, you both have it wrong - what caused the crash were the lowlifes who took on loans that they obviously couldn't afford and then defaulted on their promises to repay those loans. If it wasn't for the lowlife liars that reneged on the promises they made, there wouldn't have been any problems.
John Q. Public
5:46 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@hoffa -
A note from John Q. Public, or "An Ode to Hoffa…" #1 of 3
I have been a patch reader for about a year and must say I am amazed with the level of discourse in the comments section of the site. As a political moderate, I find it interesting to read the comments coming from various viewpoints. Of all of the voices trying to be heard, there is one voice, yes, one voice, that consistently cuts through the din, James R Hoffa.
"The Hoffa" He's a well organized guy, quick on his toes, has all of his facts readily at hand and seems to respond to everyone's posts regardless of the time of day – he stands like a sentinel. It appears that nothing contrary to his world view escapes his scathing responses and I have never seen him concede to the validity of someone else's argument – he truly is steadfast!
John Q. Public
5:46 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@hoffa –
A note from John Q. Public, or "An Ode to Hoffa…" #2 of 3
The guy doesn't mince his words; he's a master of labeling people. If you agree with him, I'm sure he considers you a proud American patriot. If not, lookout! He knows just who are the moochers . He knows that if you're on SS or Medicare that you are receiving substantially more than what you paid in. Apparently Hoffa knows how long you paid in, how much you paid in, and, to close the loop, how long you'll live. Do you work for the government? Sucks being you because Hoffa appears to hate you and everything you represent. Without even meeting you, he knows that you're lazy and feel entitled to your job – teachers, trash collectors, civil engineers, dog catchers – doesn't matter you can all be replaced! If you offer sources contrary to Hoffa's or your opinion differs from Hoffa's you are likely to be labeled a hack, a liar, an elitist, a snob, or his worst insult, a liberal.
John Q. Public
5:47 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@hoffa –
A note from John Q. Public, or "An Ode to Hoffa…" #3 of 3
From what I've gathered from a sampling of his numerous posts, Hoffa is a self-made man who proudly proclaims that he runs his own business, covers all of his medical costs, plows his own fields, milks his cows, personally excavated the moat around his home in the country, and was recently spotted churning his own butter – presumably for his restaurant. He's a self-made renaissance man with no need to compromise because his facts are the only facts that matter.
Don't get "The Q" wrong, it's not just Hoffa, there are others posting here from both the right and left who continuously spit their flavor of venom. My opinion is that the right is much better at being mean than the left – tighten up your game, lefties! Hoffa, who annoyingly refers to himself in the third
John Q. Public
5:50 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@hoffa –
A note from John Q. Public, or "An Ode to Hoffa…" #4 of 3! – darn copy/paste!
person, has taken venom spitting to an art form. I can barely stomach reading the Patch comments sections because of the vicious tone. The man who really fans the flames is Jame R Hoffa. Congrats!
I don't know if Hoffa will respond or simply ignore this post. If he responds, I've got a pretty good idea of what it will sound like: mean, condescending, dismissive, all seasoned with a touch of sarcasm! I'm sure he'll find fault with at least one thing that I've written but I don't care. My only hope is that, just like the Grinch, some day he will come out of his cave, have an epiphany, and that cold, tiny little heart of his grows by a few sizes.
John Wilson
7:55 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
JRH – Mike – Menoparent -
Actually, JRH has it wrong, as usual. Wall Street, Freddie & Fannie and AIG all knew that there was real money to be made with the BUSH. "Everyone should be able to buy a home program."
Hence, they colluded to change the underwriting specifications, in-house, lowering the standard to the point where anyone who could crawl into a mortgage office and scratch an "X" on an extremely complicated legal form... job, deposit, adequate credit rating or not was no longer anywhere in the equation.
They had help from Congress and President Bush too, as the regulations and regulators had all pretty much been effectively defanged by then... less trained regulators and fewer regulations...
Hence they went ape on the sales to everyone, knowing that they would all make $$$ on re-selling these mortgage papers over and over to different banks and a massive overseas market.
This is how the 1% make their $$$... Greed-Cheat Rules!
Now you have some insight into why the GOP wants:
Smaller government
Less regulation
Less regulators
James R Hoffa
12:22 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
Are you denying the FACT that had everyone made good on the promises they made and repaid the loans that they took out that a crash and credit market freeze wouldn't have happened?!?!
Unlike you, Hoffa understands that demand is a far more powerful force than supply. You prefer to blame the drug dealers (supply side) - the lenders, investment banks, etc. Hoffa prefers to blame the junkies (demand side) - the greedy lowlifes who made promises to repay loans and then defaulted on those promises.
Hoffa did not support the bailouts of Fanny, Freddie, AIG, and all other institutions that received and failed to repay TARP funds.
James R Hoffa
12:30 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@John Q. Public -
Always glad to hear from another Hoffa fan!
While you may read Hoffa's words, it's obvious that you haven't comprehended them very well.
BTW - "The Q," is definitely no John de Lancie ;-)
John Q. Public
6:16 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Hoffa -
That's right, "The Q" isn't John de Lancie. Then again, "The Q"isn't a big fan of science fiction.
John Wilson
2:06 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I propose to put the blame where it belongs, on the TAKERS, who created this entire ABORTION; you too, are a TAKER.
After all the smoke finally settled from this financial mess, who really made out financially?
Who is doing just fine today?
Wall Street is at 13,500, Fannie & Freddie is in great shape, AIG and the banks are just flush with money, holding on to 3T plus, and living off the interest of my money.
Those "low-life people", as you call them, well, some 12M are under water with their mortgage, on the street, working 3-jobs or all the above.
When you assess any action, a reasonable approach is to first look at the action itself – these financial institutions issuing these funky documents, knowing that no matter if everyone defaulted, they would still make millions of dollars – and the consequences of these actions.
Financial institutions all made millions, and got my tax money to help their profits!
The people who purchased a home from these financial institutions all got the "Hoffa", as did the rest of America and the American taxpayer…
James R Hoffa
11:38 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@lyin' John Wilson -
No one forced the low life defaulters to take on loans that they couldn't afford. There wasn't any duress involved, as you appear to be trying to claim.
No, the real problem is that the American people lost their sense of personal responsibility. They lost their character and integrity. Back in the '50's, when a person put their name on the line and sealed a deal with a handshake, it actually meant something. And if you defaulted on the promises you made, you were shamed by society, in addition to being disappointed with yourself.
Today, it's perfectly acceptable to break promises all the time, without any repercussion. Democratic legislators actually encouraged people to just walk away from their underwater real estate and congruent financial responsibilities, or to stay put in a home that they were legally evicted from for failure to actually pay for it, because somehow they were entitled to that home. What's wrong with this picture?!?!
If you don't pay, you're not entitled to jack! Those people didn't pay - they never should have had in the first place. But the kind bankers and Wall Street types actually gave those people a chance to prove themselves worthy of owning and being responsible for something that was beyond their means. And for that kindness, you label them crooks just because they found a way to make money no matter what?!?!
As Hoffa said before, he didn't agree with the bailouts that weren't paid back in full with interest.
12:03 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Well I don't think it's a secret that Obama has better people skills than Romney. I hate to say it, but just as that early televised debate (Kennedy v. Nixon) swayed voters merely on personal appearance, but I do think that a modern president has to be able to wade through the barrage of social, online, and traditional media. I would give the nod to Obama on doing a better job of comporting himself in a tactful way. I also believe he has a better understanding of how communications work, because this recent video incident demonstrates how quickly things can happen. Let's see what happens in the upcoming debate, should be interesting!
12:23 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The heat is on for Mitt!
elephantgun @elephantgun
I guess those #SkewedPolls are really taking their toll on other #GOP politicians. http://news.yahoo.com/gop-reviews-turning-negative-romneys-campaign-165237654--election.html #p2 #Romneyshambles #wiunion
WASHINGTON (AP) — On the eve of the first presidential debate, the early autumn Republican reviews are in for Mitt Romney's campaign, and they are not pretty.
In some states, candidates who share the Nov. 6 ballot with the former Massachusetts governor have taken steps to establish independence from him. Party strategists predict more will follow, perhaps as soon as next week, unless Romney can dispel fears that he is headed for defeat......
James R Hoffa
1:01 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Bren -
All flash, no substance - but if that's what floats your boat...
Keith Best
1:02 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
What makes you think that a US Senator who spent most of his FIRST TERM running for another office, knows anything about running something? Before that Obama was in his first term as a state senator and since he voted over 100 times "present" he didn't know what he was doing there either.
Romney/ Ryan are the cure.....Obama/ Biden is the disease.
12:12 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Good work Pres. Obama-and all the canvassing volunteers to get out the vote:
Cody Kessler @cody_k
RT @PollTracker: US President '12: Obama (D) 50.0% Romney (R) 44.0% (Oct. 01 - Gallup) http://tpm.ly/RxWvg9 @drawandstrike #p2 #tcot #tlot
12:20 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
As I have said for months....Ill gladly bet you conswervatives a Benjamin rhat Obama Wins again. I have never taken a dime and I don't blame government for my own problems...yet Romney wants to call me a freeloader? Good Luck with that. Prove that 47% are freeloaderz. I DARE YOU.
12:33 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Good news for all of the USA --and for Pres. Obama.
Erik @ejkirkstein
Manufacturing in U.S. Expands Unexpectedly as Orders Rise http://bloom.bg/P6aCeq via @BloombergNews #p2 #tcot #wiunion #election
12:25 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@JRH --"@Randy1949 -
Where's your outrage over Obama's racism that he won't admit to?"
Right next to your lack of outrage over Mitt Romney's naivete about the economic realities of life for people at a certain income level. And I do mean the ones who work hard and don't rely on government programs -- just the legitimate deductions and exemptions that Mitt makes good use of as well. With such a skewed view of the situation, perhaps Mitt is not the best person to be setting tax policy.
It's one thing to focus your attention on certain groups of voters. But Mitt was after the independent and undecided -- many of whom were in that group he was labeling.
James R Hoffa
12:58 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Randy1949 -
The only difference is that Hoffa doesn't perceive Obama's targeted campaign strategy of racism to reflect his actual sentiments and policy positions, because Hoffa is a fair guy. Hoffa was merely using your logic, and applied that logic to Obama in concluding that Obama is a racist.
To the contrary, you actually do hold Romney's targeted campaign strategy of 53% to reflect his actual sentiments and policy positions - WHY?!?! Just because he's rich??? Since when did 'rich' become a dirty word? Doesn't everyone dream of winning the lottery? If you've ever played the lottery or gambled at a casino, then you're not really any different than Mitt, are you? The only difference is that Mitt succeeded in attaining that dream.
1:03 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@JRH -- I'm only judging Romney on the basis of his words. If he believed that those who want to be 'dependent on government' will never vote for him, he erred in speaking about the 47% who don't pay federal income taxes. The percentage of actual dependents is much lower.
James R Hoffa
12:34 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Randy1949 -
Hoffa was raised to judge a person based upon their actions over their words.
Obama has LIED about a majority of the campaign promises he made in 2008 - his actions did not reflect his words.
Blair Nielsen
12:34 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Nick, and Obamas ticket is "level the playing field" or "give everyone a fair shot". That's what he says and you buy it, but its not what he does. You need to turn off MSNBC and look this up- fabian socialism- thats what your idol is about.
Johnny Blade
12:45 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I am voting for Obama .. I welcome the collapse of this fiat paradigm, we can rebuild the republic again on sound money .. and take care of the Bankster opressors and the commie tools who follow them
Johnny Blade
12:49 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
A team including Chris Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg, Noam Chomsky, and Naomi Wolf filed Hedges v. Obama in federal court, earning an injunction banning the use of the unlawful detention provision. However, the Obama administration immediately and aggressively appealed
Why not support a TYRANT who wants to throw Americans in Jail with NO trial .. I am a moron and i vote cuz i am ignorant
12:52 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Not a single greedy repukican who will risk a hundo eh? I don't blame you for knowing when the writings on the wall but come on!! Swagger indeed!
12:56 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Only a impotent party would even pretend that running Twit Romney would have a chance.
Keith Best
1:03 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@rob-- juvenile name calling. Let's leave this debate for the adults OK?
6:21 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
To find out how the left skews the polls go to unskewed polls.com. They are using the turn out from then 2008 election. Since then Rasmussen self identified voters is almost equal for dems and Rep. If you remember early on all you heard about were the swing voters, until Obama wasn't winning that group. If you don't oversale Dems, Romney is ahead.
John Wilson
7:01 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
The only thing you have to do is to shut your eyes, stand on ONE foot and Pirouette around (3) complete – no partials – must be complete times, saying Rumpelstiltskin as you proceed in that circle… Then you will see that Willard is winning in ALL the polls…
6:39 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
It's not a debate...it's meant to be gloating about our lead over the ridiculous rich man the GOP chose as a candidate. That's what swagger means....and for all you know I could be 14 years old. Nonetheless.....I will celebrate and gloat over the Romney loss in the noisiest and most obnoxious way I can think of because I like making hateful conservatives suffer. Hahahah...weep for me.
James R Hoffa
12:37 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@rob -
And Obama isn't a "ridiculous rich man" himself?
8:09 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
I don't know if it is swagger - or pants on the ground.
Another four years of the same and there will be nothing worth fighting over.
Who in their right mind would run after 8 years of Barry's agenda?
8:17 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Romney will get a bounce after the debate tomorrow - once he can demonstrate to Americans that he is an average fellow who truly relates to the problems facing the majority of Americans - good luck with that - he may not lead the liberal media polls - but he will be up the proverbial pole come Thursday morning -
Blair Nielsen
8:26 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@J.Q.Public. And just like the Grinch you are green,,, with envy. Hoffa knows what he's talking about and is good at telling it like it is.Wish you could do the same?
John Wilson
9:03 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Blair Nielsen -
"Hoffa knows what he's talking about and is good at telling it like it is."
You are, of course, entitled to your opinion, inaccurate and as biased as it may be.
IF you believe the earth is flat, Hoffa is your man; IF you are an extremely "low-information" [JRH's favorite word] person, Hoffa is your man; IF you are a fanatical GOP person, and part of the Hoffa Cabal here on the Patch, Hoffa is your man...
IF you are an independent thinker, one who researches and believes in FACTS – NOT consensus opinions as Hoffa does – one who is guided by reason and logic, as opposed to a rigid ideology, science and the scientific method, one who requires empirical evidence, then Hoffa is simply one of many loud, arrogant, and pompous fools, expecting everyone to worship at his phenomenal mountain of ignorance…
You poor lost child…
John Q. Public
10:03 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@Blair Nielsen -
Green isn't my color as I'm not envious of Hoffa and his ilk. If there was a color for pity or disdain, I would be that color - perhaps orange? All sorts of good things are orange - carrots, oranges, cheetos... It was sweet of you to defend him though; apparently I touched a nerve with you...
10:08 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Doofa is 34 years old with no life experience other than what the internet, TV and radio feeds his ears. PLEASE, don't give some media regurgitator credit other than he lives a sheltered life with no wife, no kids or any hands on skills needed in this life.
John Q. Public
11:09 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
@$$andSense -
"The Q" had no idea that Hoffa lived such as sad life. I thought that a self-reliant job creator like Hoffa would have to fight off the ladies with a stick.
James R Hoffa
12:41 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Blair Nielsen -
Thank you kindly - Hoffa appreciates your comment!
James R Hoffa
12:51 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
There you go again!
"IF you are an independent thinker, one who researches and believes in FACTS – NOT consensus opinions as Hoffa does - ..."
Coming from a man who only ever cites to third party secondary sources, as opposed to primary sources as Hoffa always attempts to do!
"... then Hoffa is simply one of many loud, arrogant, and pompous fools, expecting everyone to worship at his phenomenal mountain of ignorance."
Coming from a man who refers to himself as "the Great John Wilson."
To those who aren't familiar with the Great John Wilson, his official motto is:
Пролетарии всех стран, соединяйтесь!
That explains everything you need to know about Lyin' John Wilson - enough said!
James R Hoffa
12:58 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@$$andNonsense -
Up to your old Excalibur tricks again?
And Hoffa supposes that at 34, you had two bachelors degrees, a masters degree, a doctorate degree, co-owned a business that you helped started, paid your own way through school without loans or government assistance, owned your own estate, had a brand new car that you paid cash for, etc.?
Yeah, you only wish that you were half as successful as Hoffa is when you were his age!
Get back into your double-wide - your wife/sister is looking for you!
James R Hoffa
1:01 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@John Q. Public -
You'd crap your pants if you knew the reality of Hoffa's lady situation!
10:18 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I am guessing Hoffa's lady situation is a good conservative woman like Sarah Palin,
only younger and hotter.
John Wilson
3:18 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Certainly Ray-Gun would turn over in his grave to hear you attempt to quote him...
"Some excise taxes, such as the tax on petrol fuels, go to support the infrastructure that the users of such systems rely upon - not the arbitrary redistribution of wealth."
Wisconsin has a current 30.9¢ excise tax on gasoline, which hardly supports anywhere near what the infrastructure costs actually are, and, they are both arbitrary – up to the discretion of Congress – and a redistribution of wealth from those who use gasoline – many folks do not – back to the government, which can arbitrarily decide to use that money for just about anything it wants.
These excise taxes are another example of a "redistribution of wealth" as they vary by what the congress decides it will allow – both up & down – and is largely dictated to by the Gas, Oil, Petroleum (GOP) Lobbyists.
Like Lyin' Ryan's 2nd MAJOR LEGISLATIVE ACCOMPLISHMENT (his last – his 1st was naming a PO in Janesville) in 14-years as a Congressman from Wisconsin at $174,000 a year. He amended the IRS code to ADD 39¢ to the purchase of each arrow – typically, these arrows are used in hunting Hoffa's.
It is interesting that the intellectual leader, policy wonk of the GOP writes, proposes and gets a bill passed increasing taxes… Remember, it is "what you do!"
Nice try…
James R Hoffa
5:54 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Lyin' John Wilson -
So, you caught the Reagan quote - good for you!
However, you missed the Dan O'Herlihy quote - shame, shame!
While it's true that politicians can easily raid transportation funds, it's up to the people to make sure that government uses the revenues from excise taxes as originally intended by their enabling statutes - in other words the voters need to hold the politicians accountable for their deceitful acts.
Case in point is former Governor Big Daddy Doyle, who raided the state's transportation fund for billions to pay for non-transportation related expenditures. In 2010, the people had enough of such shenanigans and voted in Walker, who restored those funds.
John Wilson
7:39 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
"While it's true that politicians can easily raid transportation funds, it's up to the people to make sure that government uses the revenues from excise taxes as originally intended by their enabling statutes - in other words the voters need to hold the politicians accountable for their deceitful acts."
The PEOPLE have NEVER been able to STOP the GOVERNMENT – federal or state – from doing whatever they want with money! No one is that naïve!
Social Security has 2.7 TRILLION in IOU's from Congress in it… where is the money? It is in our pockets; we will have to pay it back, AGAIN!
Where is the proof that Doyle raided the transportation fund of BILLONS to pay for unrelated expenditures?
[Actually, Walker did that]
Where is the proof that Walker restored these – imaginary stolen funds – and replaced them?
What Walker did do was obtain some federal money, under false pretenses, fill in some holes in the budget with these funds – he had to pay off his cronies – then bulldoze money from one portion of the budget to another and then still another, then put some items on the credit card… finally, then proclaim, MAGICALLY, WE HAVE A BUDGET SURPLUS!
And the Wisconsin GOP lemmings cheered, "All praise to Gov Walker!"
I just love these monumentally stupid, MAGIC THINKING REPUBLICANS…
James R Hoffa
11:52 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@lyin' John Wilson -
Now you're lying about Doyle and Governor Walker - you're just a non-stop lying machine, aren't you?
Doesn't it sound great to say out-loud - Governor Walker!
The people of this fine state rejected your blue fist nonsensical temper tantrum. Allow the grown ups to run things for a while - you just may end up liking the results you experience!
As for SS, the program is a scam. It's essentially the federal government treating its citizenry like children instead of treating us like adults. The government says 'we don't trust you to save or invest your money wisely, so we're going to take your money from you and set it aside and invest it for you, deciding when and how much at a time we'll pay your own money back to you.' But the only thing that the government invests the SS money in is Treasuries, or government debt, which is repaid via revenues generated from additional taxation. Hence the SS Trust Fund doesn't actually make any real wealth generating investments - it just taxes us even more!
The government should treat its citizens like adults. Those who don't save or invest wisely are on their own and can work until they die - at least it's their choice, and freedom of choice is what our government should be giving us the most of instead of taking those choices away from us!
SS should be reformed to an opt in system instead of a compulsory program.
11:56 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@JRH -- It's partly the government saying they don't trust bosses to pay enough for their employees to have anything left over to save for retirement. And I think when you get down to it, that's the reason for the opposition -- the employer contribution.
James R Hoffa
12:13 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@Randy1949 -
So, what would be so wrong with making SS an opt-in program? Those choosing to manage their own money would be paid the employer contribution directly in additional wages.
John Wilson
2:10 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012
The idea here, for Social Security, is SECURITY!
[Another TAKE AWAY by the GOP: YOUR SECURITY!]
It might have been an enlightening and interesting experience if King George would have had his Opt Out going full force when Wall Street hit the wall in 2008… we could have 150M Americans living on the street, on food stamps and their children dying on the streets.
Never underestimate the SELF RESPONSIBILITY cabal and their predilection to engage in MAGICAL THINKING…
Social Security will remain a compulsory program, in spite of Hoffa's incoherent and puerile babblings to the contrary. It will remain compulsory because it provides SECURITY and a base line for people who have the means to take additional discretionary money they may have and invest that for their retirement in the Casinos of Wall Street. IF you only have these personal investments – in the Casino – when you lose it, as you will because of your lack of sophistication and impulsiveness, especially in the stock market, you will become completely dependent upon MY TAX MONEY.
Furthermore, I have said before, I despise MONOLITHIC STUPIDITY… and I would not elect people like you to feed off of me so you could further contaminate the gene pool…
James R Hoffa
2:40 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@lyin' John Wilson -
Where's the law stating that people have to invest their money in Wall Street? Can you please provide the statutory citation from the US Code!
Hoffa's point is freedom and choice - if you opt out and mess up, too bad. Hoffa never said that those who messed up would get welfare, did he? Instead, those who messed up would just have to work until they die. It's called taking personal responsibility for your own actions/choices!
But no, you prefer a government to treat its citizens like babies instead of treating us like adults, because you in fact like being treated like a baby. That's actually quite sad and pathetic!
Sorry, but Hoffa likes being treated like an adult because he is an adult!
Reform SS to an opt-in program!!!
John Wilson
7:49 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012
It really is very sad when you have to leave a comment telling people you are an adult.
Nothing is stopping any American from investing – outside of SS – any of their monies in any type of investment they desire. You are free to do that now.
I never made mention of any law or statute saying you had to invest in Wall Street; that's just another insertion of yours, another specious argument, and another of your lies
Frankly, I'm surprised you are not downtown at the Pfister Hotel investing your massive amounts of money in your older brother's, Lyin' Ryan's campaign – now that would be a stellar investment for you.
The entire argument for any type of Opt in or Opt out of Social Security is just another attack by the GOP and their lackeys to get more public money out of Social Security – a program the GOP has hated and fought against since 1935 – and get that money into Wall Street. Additionally, and this is the real focus, to weaken and eventually destroy Social Security. The GOP [Gas, Oil, Petroleum] Party wants ALL your money, and will not be satisfied until they get it ALL.
Candidly, I would make this issue one of your esteemed, landmark legal cases, like ACA or Van Hollen's STAY; you lost 2 of 2 so far, I know a 3rd loss could not hurt your legal credibility any… besides, there are worse things than always being wrong, you might be White, full of hubris, extremely dense and monumentally arrogant.
It is called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.
9:08 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Johnny, the same wizards said the Republicans would be out in the wilderness for 40 years, you saw how 2010 election went. That was just the beginning 2012 we keep house and get the senate and presidency. The landscape has obviously changed, NC, IN and MO safely red. So that means you can't use the 2008 turnout, so why over sample Dems by 6-12 points. Besides what has Obama done to be reelected. Now if you believe that Americans want $4.00/ gal gas,8% unemployment, more accumulated debt than all Presidents combined, class and race warfare, Obamacare etc. then you have been drinking too much of Fidel Hugo Obama's kool-aid.
9:30 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Yeah - don't you wish the rest of America were just like Missouri - JMB - North Carolina - Missouri - you must have been very good in finding the lowest common denominator in school. And when it comes to accumulated debt- put that in the column of unfounded and unwarranted and unpaid for Bush wars along with unpaid for tax cuts for the likes of Romney, Koch, et al.
James R Hoffa
1:09 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@sigmund kolatzki -
As far as debt accumulation goes, did you blame Wilson for WWI? FDR for WWII? How about LBJ for Vietnam?
So, Bush's wars were "unfounded and unwarranted" - really? Let's assume that Iraq really was just all about oil. Do you not have an interest in oil? Guess you consume no plastic products, right? And your car must run on rainbows and sunshine, yes?
Ah yes, the Koch Bros - glad you were able to fit them into your finger pointing exposure of evil doers!
Hoffa feels so enlightened now! Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us!
9:59 pm on Tuesday, October 2, 2012
Ah, sigmund. It has been awhile since we talked. If you are the same developer that has made his business mark in SE WI, then taking on the great james r. doofa will be a real treat for you. This will be interesting. The circle keeps getting smaller.
James R Hoffa
1:10 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@$$andNonsense -
Get off the Patch and spend some time with your wife/sister!
5:27 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Sigmoron, the point of this blog is that the US is turning back to the Conservatives. Obama won NC, IN and was close in MO. They are now pretty much out of his reach. Check out party ID on Rasmussen, the Repub now have a 4 pt lead, in 2008 they were down 8. So to use the turn out from 2008 election to skew the polls is criminal. Instead of running against Bush why don't you tell me what Obama has done to warrant another 4 years. I am sure I will hear nothing, I never do when I converse with liberals. Leave your talking points from central planning behind and think. Also check out the movie 2016, you will understand why Obama views you and me as the 1%, the world is the 99%
12:50 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@JMB 5:27 am on Wednesday, October 3, 2012 said:
"Sigmoron, the point of this blog is that the US is turning back to the Conservatives"
No, smart folks in WI are not turning to the Conservatives!
TPM Livewire @TPMLiveWire
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Up 4 in today's #WIsen @MULawPoll! Tammy maintains her lead after millions of $$ of attack ads spent by outside special interests group.
Dane101 @dane101
MULawPoll: Wisconsin voters think Obama would better handle foreign policy 54-42.
12:53 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Another one for you JMB
Tammy Baldwin @TammyBaldwinWI
#WIsen #Tammymentum RT @wkow: U.S. Senate race: Tammy Baldwin has led or was tied in last eight polls of Wisconsin voters.
4:21 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
It would be a total waste of time in explaining anything to anyone who finds it necessary to resort to kindergarten name calling as an adult - Let me just say I find you (JMB) to be a "nice" person - as the word nice was understood and used in the 14th century. That ought to keep you busy for a while.
8:11 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@sigmund kolatzki 4:21 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
You spiked my curiosity. I learned something. Thanks.
Origin of NICE
Middle English, foolish, wanton, from Anglo-French, silly, simple, from Latin nescius ignorant, from nescire not to know — more at nescience
First Known Use: 14th century
1:27 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Smart Wisconsinites:
#Marquette U. poll also shows in #Wisconsin that 49% support Act 10 while 44% want to repeal. #WIUnion #WIPoli
2:35 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
I would not use the word swagger but confidence is a good word to describe the state of the election as of today.
John Kane @Tortured_Verse
Obama 348, Romney 190: UAH astrophysicist, who got it right twice before, predicts electoral results http://blog.al.com/breaking/2012/10/uah_astrophysicist_and_college.html #wiunion #p2
HUNTSVILLE, Alabama -- There is little suspense left in our presidential horse race, even in most of the so-called swing states, says astrophysicist and statistician Wes Colley.
The way he measures the poll data and his deceptively simple median method, which have correctly predicted the last two presidential elections, show President Obama has locked up Ohio and Virginia and cemented a small, but stable lead in Florida.
Bottom line: Obama is well on his way to re-election.
"I think the operative word is disaster if you're a Republican," said Colley on Monday. "I think the operative word is confidence if you're a ......
James R Hoffa
5:14 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@morninmist -
You're kidding, right? What's next - tweets from carnival gypsies and fortune tellers?
Perhaps a little card from the Zoltar machine from the Tom Hanks film Big (1988)?
3:15 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
@Bob and others
What bothered me was that he said that the 47% of people who don't pay federal income tax felt entitled to food.
Bob McBride
5:02 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Do you feel entitled to food, VLC? Were you going to vote for him before he said that? Are you now not going to vote for him because of that?
Steve ®
5:47 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Truth sucks. So does 47% not paying federal taxes yet blaming the rich for not paying enough. Romney knows that 47% will vote for Obama and he was telling supporters that, please take him out of context some more.
6:25 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Sigmoid, seems like you are kind of sensitive. You can make cracks about lowest common denominator but can't take it. That is a very common trait of a liberal. Bush ran up less debt in 8 years than Obama did in 4, in fact Our Dear Leader is on pace to run up more debt than all previous Presidents combined. So what has Obama done to warrant 4 more years. I ask that question often but haven't had one response yet. Come on libs defend your Presidents record.
John Wilson
8:10 pm on Wednesday, October 3, 2012
Not that any of this will get through to you, but I will try... I really can't believe you don't already know this...
King Bush kept the 2 wars: Iraq and Afghanistan, 'Off of the books." Hence, those costs never showed up under King Bush's term(s).
President Obama put those costs on the books when he took office, all 2 Trillion of those costs, which were now awarded to President Obama.
King George gave Medicare, Part D, the drug prescription plan, 500 Billion in additional assistance; however, he neglected to pay for it.
President Obama was now blessed with paying for it and that too was placed under the Obama administration's expenses.
You see, JMB, it is always easy to spend money you don't have, when you know that the person following you will pay for it.
It's the GOP, King George way...
6:45 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Citadel @citaconinc
@GovWalker yup! Obama is getting things going in the right direction. #obamabiden2012
James R Hoffa
11:54 am on Saturday, October 6, 2012
@morninmist -
Can you afford your share of $6T in new Obama debt, which works out to about $38,605/taxpayer?
8:18 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012
All of Wisconsin is sharing in this horrible non job market of Walker's!!
RT @kelleyalbrecht: RT @SpudLovr: Gov Scott Walker's Shocking Jobs Deficit CHART, BLS http://is.gd/f1cnPR #wiunion #wiright #tcot #p2
Nick Poulos
7:42 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
"Questioning is the piety of thought."
"What is still most thought-provoking in these thought-provoking times is that we still are not thinking." Stay the Course. Re-elect O. Yes. I am adamant. Above the smoke and dust obscuring the conversation, that smoke and dust kicked up by the lying Randian Tea Party and 'normal' Republicans.
We need the helm for our Ship of State to be held by the steady hands of a meditative thinker, Obama.
Wisconsin voters, we need to remember and vote our heritage. We need to stay the course with Obama and re-elect him. These lying Randian, Tea Party and "regular" Republicans will destroy America's democratic republic. Keep in mind that the Republicans have consistently done nothing for 39 months. They have blocked all progress. They have piled up record profits and record cash piles for their friends. They care not for America. They care solely for themselves. This Froedtert scion asks you to give Proxmire, LaFollette and Nelson their well-deserved rest within their graves. they have been rolling over because of the one mistake Wisconsin made in Walker. We need to reject Romney and Ryan. More importantly, we need to reject Ryan twice. America needs a meditative thinker steering the helm of this Ship of State. Romney's calculative thinking, his method of ready aim shoot will only help the very few. Re-elect Obama. move forward instead of backwards.
James R Hoffa
10:13 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
@Nick Poulos -
Do you push this liberally biased nonsensical crap on the students you teach, either directly or indirectly - inquiring minds want to know!
11:51 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Nick: As always your comments are about as interesting a navel lint.
I guess you never failed a single student, because your support for Obama is admirable. He has not done one single thing in the best interest of this Nation.
I can name six trillion things he has not done.
Can you name one single thing?
H.E. Pennypacker
8:40 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
The REAL problem is that obama is a not-very-bright puppet. His puppet-masters put his speeches on his teleprompter.
Without his teleprompter, obama is toast!!!!
Joseph Robert
7:59 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
Read about all of the more than 20 false statements and lies that Romney told at the debate.
How can anyone trust this extremist who will say ANYTHING to get elected!
James R Hoffa
10:09 pm on Friday, October 5, 2012
@Joseph Robert -
Not that Hoffa fully trusts any of the so-called 'fact-checkers' anymore, but most of those who claim to be non-biased/partisan seem to all say that an equal number of falsehoods or misrepresentations were told by both men throughout the course of the 90 minute debate, if not Obama actually lying just a bit more than Romney. Here's just one of those 'fact-checks:'
ThinkProgress is known to be an extremely liberally biased organization, in case you didn't already realize that!
8:46 pm on Saturday, October 6, 2012
Mitt Romney is long on promises - short on truth @Bloomberg http://buswk.co/SDKSr0 #wiunion #wiright #rncliars #reince #gop
On taxes, Mitt Romney is long on promises and short on details.
The Republican presidential nominee pledges to "lower taxes on middle-income families," without giving high earners another tax cut or adding to the U.S. budget deficit. He can do that, he says, by capping the value of tax breaks available to any individual taxpayer.
His tax plan, however, would upend financial planning for millions of middle-class households, denying them thousands of dollars in annual deductions. Earlier this week, after months of refusing to specify which tax breaks he would curtail, Romney said taxpayers might be able to take a total of no more than $17,000 in deductions each year.
That won't bring in enough revenue to make up for almost $5 trillion the government will lose over 10 years once tax rates are reduced by 20 percent as Romney has proposed, according to economist William Gale of the Brookings Institution in Washington.
"It doesn't come close to paying for the $5 trillion," said Gale, who co-authored a study of Romney's tax plan for the non-partisan Tax Policy Center in Washington. ....
7:20 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
#lyingRomney is catching up to #lyingRyan!!
@Progress2day 10 Most Shameless Romney Debate Lies Debunked http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/10-most-shameless-romney-debate-lies-debunked … #lyingRomney #wipolitics #Stench
7:22 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I do find this simpleton Palin LIE being spread by Teabaggers.
Here are ten of Romney's fact-challenged claims from last night:
1. An 'Unelected Board' Controlling Your Health Care
Despite President Obama trying to push back on this lie, Romney made this claim a few times last night. Obamacare, according to Romney, "puts in place an unelected board that's going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have." In reality, as the Associated Press points out , the board that is tasked with bringing down Medicare costs is prohibited from "rationing care, shifting costs to retirees, restricting benefits or raising the Medicare eligibility age. So the board doesn't have the power to dictate to doctors what treatments they can prescribe." This Romney claim also hearkened back to Sarah Palin's lie that Obamacare created "death panels," which was a straight up lie. ...
8:22 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Morninmist, I find the use of the word Teabagger's a sexually derogatory reference. We prefer the use of the word. "BARNEY-FRANKING" class dismissed
10:10 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
I hate to admit that I agree with you JMB on this one with a slight difference - the group - along with their chosen leaders Romney/Ryan should be understood as the 21st Century version of Carpetbaggers as opposed to Teabaggers. This group is as "nice" as you JMB. Fortunately JMB, Morninmist was inquisitive enough to have done the work for you. Thanks Morninmist.
John Wilson
5:08 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
After you have been Teabagging for over 15-years you now find the word "a sexually derogatory reference." Well, you really are something...
10:17 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
Sigmoid, good to see you are agreeing with me. Now once again, I ask you and all your liberal buddies, to tell me why anyone would ever vote for Obama again. Please don't refer to Bush in you answer
11:05 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
JMB - I will also check with my socialist friends, my communist friends, women, gays, et.al. and will file my full report with you soon ok? Meanwhile, stay nice my friend.
10:22 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
bluecheddar1 @bluecheddar1
RT @KarlRovesBrain Unemployment under Obama is DOWN. Unemployment under Scott Walker is trending UP. #wiunion #wiright
tom munson
11:11 am on Sunday, October 7, 2012
National Polls say its Romney 49% v Obama at 47%. That swagger is a limp
John Wilson
8:30 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
tom munson -
That swagger is a monster of a swagger, even after the debate...
Monday, October 08. 2012
Washington (CNN) – A new national poll suggests Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney got a bounce out of last week's first presidential debate.
According to Gallup's latest seven-day tracking poll, President Barack Obama has a slight 49%-46% edge over Romney among registered voters nationwide, which is within the survey's sampling error. But Gallup breaks down their poll into pre- and post- debate figures.
Got it? Get it? Good!
H.E. Pennypacker
8:33 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
Gallup Had Carter Up 4 Points Over Ronald Reagan in September 1980
John Wilson=no talent ass hat.
John Wilson
9:13 am on Monday, October 8, 2012
H.E. Packerpenny –
That outlier [Gallup (?) Poll] has largely been debunked and was in September, you might notice this is Oct. 8.
Additionally, you might notice it was a poll taken some 32-years ago, and, of course, statistical polling techniques have remained constant throughout those 32-years.
Furthermore, the entire CONTEXT – FYI: we actually have very powerful computers – along with Citizens United has sort of changed… EVERYTHING!
I do so sincerely hope this brings some much needed clarity to your absurd apples & oranges alternate universe...
4:30 pm on Sunday, October 7, 2012
sigfried- you need to get new talking points from the DNC. It appears when ever the Dems have to support why Obama deserves 4 more years. Is it Obamacare, or the 5 trillion in additional debt, the huge loss of life in Afghanistan, is it the trillion dollar "not so shoveful ready" stimulus. Or maybe closing of Gitmo or the credit down grade, how about disrepecting Israel while kissing up to the Muslim brotherhood. You need to get in contact with Central Planning and get your teleprompter cut and paste response. Still waiting for a reason to vote for Our Dear Leader
1:57 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
Tammy maintains a steady lead over the Thompson Tea Party guy!
October 08, 2012
Dems lead Senate races in VA, WI
PPP's new Virginia and Wisconsin Senate polls find the Democratic candidates in position to hold onto both of these open seats in next month's election.
RT @shripal734 .@ppppolls new #vasen & #wisen polls find Dems"in position to hold onto both open seats" http://bit.ly/TlO3TQ #wiunion
3:37 pm on Monday, October 8, 2012
tsk tsk. #lyingRyan caught again!
America United @Progress2day
Lyin' Ryan Betrays Romney, Walker http://bit.ly/R7jdg1 #wiunion #wiright #p2 #p2b #tcot #topprog #connecttheleft #ctl via @Cog_Dis
... Waiving the work requirement may or may not be a good idea. But despite what the Romney-Ryan campaign's ads say, Paul Ryan is the only person on the national ticket to have supported doing it.
No wonder they dropped that line of attack so quickly. Not only did they have their facts wrong, but their rock start VP nominee did the thing that they thought was so bad.