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Comment posted 2010 Schools Act: Hillhead School, Scottish Ministers' Wick Determination and the cost of justice by Dr Douglas McKenzie.
Newsroom: one of the endless attraction of the law is that it can always be argued! Whether either of us are qualified to argue it is a mute point because if we are not then it rather stifles the discussion.
Nothing in the Act convinces me that the Minister closes schools, certainly not directly nor by collusion with the decision of a local authority. In the call in procedure the Minister does not judge on the merits of the case for closure (though I am sure he has his own opinions). The Minister's powers relate solely to the determination of the competence of the procedures followed (including whether material facts were properly addressed during the consultation). Anything else is ultra vires. The school is closed by the decision of the LA. Ministerial call in may delay (perhaps indefinitely) that decision. The Minister does not sit in Olympian judgement over the fate of individual schools.
The Law is not like the laws of physics where we can define 5 sigma levels of certainty to our understanding. The Law is all about interpretation that, like Schrodinger's cat, is only crystallised into some clarity when examined in a court of law.
The interpretation I have given is the one being followed by the Scottish Government. Other interpretations are possible: Highlande and Angus (and COSLA) believe in a much more truncated interpretation of the Minister's powers; you believe that he could make a much more expansive interpretation of his powers. But what matters is the operational interpretation as that is what is driving things at present.
Regarding the call in team, I can see the logic of having this in the infrastructural team but I strongly agree that the lack of educational expertise makes this a nonsense when the core of the Act is the Educational Benefit Statement. The unit itself recognises it does not have the appropriate experience and relies instead on HMIE for guidance (they said as much to one of the school's groups – I think it was Robslee). HMIE on the other hand don't feel that they have any grasp of the economics. I think this may be at the root of this problem of an EBS being accepted if it is there even if it is a pile of mince.
I think the call in team should be enhanced in its expertise and you are also correct in arguing that potential conflicts in role between the infrastructure team's wider remit and that of the call in team need to be addressed and that is best achieved by separating the two.
Of course, it was never anticipated or intended that the call in team would have been quite so busy.
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- Newsroom: we are going round in circles on this . I'm not convinced by your argument and you are not by mine.
In practical terms much of this is semantic: if a school closure is not called in then the school closes (short of a legal challenge); if there is a ministerial call in but the proposal is allowed through then the school closes (short of a legal challenge); if the proposal is refused by the Minister then the process goes back to the LA to either abandon, start a new consultation or challenge the refusal. The school stays open in the meantime but it has not been saved. At no time, however, does the Minister close (or indeed save) a school: he merely grants or declines to grant permission for the closure to go ahead based on the LA's adherence to the Act.
For Hillhead: what they are able to challenge is not the closure of the school, but the failure of the Minister to refuse the decision to close. This was perverse as the proposal was clearly legally incompetent (at least on the grounds of the information you have provided).
I repeat again, there is nothing in the Act that gives the Minister the power to judge on the relative merits of a closure case: he can only decide on whether the process was legally competent. I would personally like the Minister to be able judge on the merits of each case (and have the time to be able to examine each case in detail) but that is not what we have at present.
Regarding collusion, I'm sure the Mr Russell will be pleased that you have stated that it was not your intention to suggest that, as I felt this was exactly what some of the things you have written was suggesting, particularly in the case of Hillhead and the suggestion of collusion between the call in team and Highland Council.
Turning to the less circular part of this discussion: I don't think HMIE are particularly suitable either and for two reasons:
1: There needs to be an independent examination of the EBS; placing the call in team within HMIE would result in the same conflicts of interest as occurs with the current set up – though possibly more in favour of the schools side of things than the LAs.
2: HMIE suggest themselves that they don't have the economic expertise to judge on re-distributionist arguments used by LAs to justify closures so they just let these pass. Clearly the solution is to have a small team that contains both educational and economic expertise.
It would, I suspect, be difficult to justify having such a team solely for the purpose of call ins. One of the suggestions ARSN put to the Commission was that there was a need for scrutiny of LA closure proposals BEFORE they go to public consultation. This would adjudge if the proposals were competent under the Act at this stage and this would save a lot of shouting and waste of tax payers money. It would also reduce the numbers of call ins as these would become restricted to matters that arose during the actual formal consultation. The team would need to take a robust approach to challenging LA data supplied as part of the case for closure and good practise would be that extensive pre-proposal consultation will already have taken place. We don't want just a box ticking exercise in scrutiny.
- I disagree.
The decision to close a school is made by the local authority after the statutory consultation and voted on by the local councillors. This is the decision to close or retain the school.
Ministerial call in is not a final judgement on the merits of the closure. What the call in does is give the Minister the opportunity to consider the process that has led up to the LA's decision and in particular to determine if the consultation process was competent under the Act.
Even if the Minister does not give permission for the closure to proceed, there is nothing to stop the LA bringing forward a new proposal to consult on closure and if they get it right then there is nothing the Minister can (legally) do to prevent the closure.
This is the reality of the implementation of the Act and the fact that the provision of school facilities is the remit of LAs and not the Scottish Government.
I know from conversations with Sandy that he at least felt there was a catch all provision in the Act to allow the Minister to prevent closures where the proposal is legally competent but daft. However, this is not the advice coming from the SG'c lawyers. As I pointed out some months back, teh Ministerial call in procedure does not give parents and communities the protection they believed it did and this needs to be both recognised and changed.
As can be seen by the recourse to judicial reviews by both Angus and the Western isles, there are those who believe that Mr Russell already exceeds his authority whereas you criticise him for not blocking (at least temporarily) Robslee, Uyeasound and now Hillhead. A rock and a hard place!
The ministerial call in exists to block a local authority's decision to close a school that has followed a legally incompetent consultation. It does not allow the Minister to judge on the relative merits of the closure proposal.
What I will give you is that approval for the Highland closures, of which Hillhead is part, should not have been given as the proposals were clearly incompetent as they did not contain an EBS. This is something that Mr Russell should either explain or hold his hands up and admit a mistake was made.
Turning to the judicial reviews: Western isles are basing their case on the premise that the closure proposals were all effectively the same so why were some accepted and some rejected? The answer is that the proposals may have been the same but the schools were not. I am fairly certain that the review will conclude that Mr Russell acted within his powers under the Act.
In the case of Angus, I am surprised they have even considered taking the Muirfield and Timmergreens decision to court. By their failing to comply with the legal requirements of the Act the decision will again be that the Minister acted within his powers.
The one judicial review that would go against the Minister would be Hillhead. The decision was perverse as the proposals from Highland clearly did not comply with the Act (which is why they were called in). I'm sure someone has already put in FoI requests for the correspondence between SG and Highland on this issue and it will be interesting to see if it was Highland's officials that suggested the Caledonian exercise could be used as a surrogate EBS or if this came from the call in team.
Off to bed now!
- It is you who is deluded (and deliberately so I suggest).
Mr Russell hasn't shut a school in his life: Robslee was shut by ERC and Hillhead may be shut by Highland. Unnecessary school closures whether sadly successful or not are the responsibility of local authorities and voters will remember that in May. I know why you are desperate to suggest otherwise but that is the truth.
As to your other comment below: you are correct that it is hearsay in that I was not at the meeting but I was told by someone who was. Hearsay yes but hardly groundless.
Have you really nothing better to do than keep issuing these very cheap and ineffectual shots?
- Having read Western Isle's reasons for going to judicial review, I'm failing to see how they will achieve this through the legal process which will only determine if the Minister acted legally within his powers. They also decided to go for judicial review in the heat of the moment rather than after having an extensive dialogue with the SG (as has Angus).
As Churchill said: "jaw-jaw always better than war-war"
- Thank you for the wishes for a full recovery – certainly well enough to detect eye wash when I read it.
I noticed you said nothing in praise of Mr Russell when the Muirfield and Timmergreens decision came through.
As has been said many a time on here, you don't give a flying cuss about any of these schools. Any excuse to bash the Nats and if you have the opportunity to take a swipe at those nasty degenerates in ARSN who showed your beloved Council Leader and his rag bag supporters to be nothing other than money wasting poltroons, then so much the better!
As you well know, you are (as usual) twisting my words. On Robslee my point was that the Act does not allow the Minister to oppose a closure on grounds other than a failure to adhere to the Act's strictures. The fact that Mr Russell allowed ERC to proceed with the closure meant that the advice he had received was that ERC had complied with the requirements of the Act and he had no grounds upon which to refuse the proposal. What I said at the time was that this was an astonishing state of affairs as the Robslee proposal had no obvious educational benefit to either the children at Robslee or those at Giffnock. This showed that the Act was not working as intended ( at least by the defenders of rural schools) but Mr Russell had already acted on this in setting up the Commission.
The situation with Hillhead is entirely different. There was no unequivocal evidence that ERC had failed to comply with the Act whereas, as FA has laid out in exhaustive detail, Highland made a complete bourach of their proposals and Mr Russell's department should have rejected the proposals for this reason, regardless of the underlying "rightness" of the overall proposal or parts therein.
The cock up in not doing this was compounded by the cack-handed attempt to excuse Highland Council's failure to produce a competent EBS. What was going on in Education Scotland I don't know but I am told that there is an acknowledgement within the Department that this was a cock up and that they have taken action (by writing to all the local authorities) to ensure that this does not constitute a precedent.
Ministers are responsible for the actions of their civil servants so Mr Russell deserves a skelp on the wrist for this state of affairs (and FA has already delivered a quite blistering condemnation). However, I for one, have confidence that Mr Russell's heart is in the right place.
ARSN are working within the Commission and with SRSN to attempt to ensure that we achieve a clear and effective protection for rural schools that removes the imperfections of the Act and its interpretation. I have no doubt that this is what Mr Russell also seeks and so we support him in his endeavours. Should we become disabused of this notion then ARSN will oppose him.
However, we are very unlikely to do so at your behest as your motives are too naked to be given any credibility.
Get thee behind me "Simon"!
Recent comments by Dr Douglas McKenzie
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More utter rubbish from Lynda Henderson. Have you actually spoken to Bob Allen? Whoever told you the story sold you a pup and in your arrogance you cannot admit to be wrong so you make up this story that he was persuaded not to resign.Your position is completely untenable.
- Russell back in the bathtub, now trying to sink Keith Brown's boat
I'm afraid you condemn yourself by your own words. I don't think that anyone reading what you have written here and the language you have used would conclude anything other than that you have a deep dislike for Mr Russell and that dislike is leading you to basically lose all sense of either proportion or impartiality. It doesn't matter how well (or otherwise) you know Mr Russell you are clearly exercised by your interpretation of his actions and it is leading you well beyond the pale in what I would consider fair comment.This vendetta against Mr Russell and the SNP is destroying FA's credibility and I have to confess that I'm seriously considering whether or not to continue reading FA (which will cheer Malcolm up if nothing else). I for one am becoming increasingly disenchanted by the constant negativity and sheer nastiness that has crept into this blog. I say that with a lot more sorrow than anger because I think that FA could have been great and indeed still could but there has to be a degree of balance, civility and indeed humour. All we are getting here is bile and it is causing me heartburn.
- Russell back in the bathtub, now trying to sink Keith Brown's boat
To be honest, this post clearly shows that you are speaking from your personal dislike of Mr Russell rather than an unbiased analysis of the man. Phrases such as "publicity hungry coward" are well beyond what is reasonable comment. - Russell back in the bathtub, now trying to sink Keith Brown's boat
You don't seem to understand the separation of a MSP's duty to his or her constituency and their responsibilities as a Government Minister.Yet again, this is another instance where a member of the Government can do no right: speak up and be condemned as "desperate" or stay silent and be accused of not serving your constituents' interests.
It is just as well that Mr Russell has broad shoulders!
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[quote author=gjhigh board=west thread=13 post=311 time=1303844289]On April 24th, 2011, Jennifer Roach did not come close to breaking Darcy's impressive speed record, but she did complete her 10th R2R2R. Perhaps this is a record for the most R2R2Rs by a woman, or perhaps anyone? Also, 8 of her 10 RRRs have been her 50-mile version, which is down the Bright Angel, east on the Tonto to the South Kaibab, down the lower South Kaibab, up and down the North Kaibab, then back up the complete Bright Angel. I've had the pleasure of going with her on three of these excursions, including this most recent one. I'll be posting photos on my Facebook page. Gerry Roach [/quote]
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Posted by
Peter Bakwin
on Nov 1, 2009, 4:32pm
Rim-to-Rim (R2R): Rob Krar, 2h51m28s, 5/25/2012.
NEW R2R2R FKT: Rob Krar, 6h21m47s, 5/11/2013.
Previous R2R2R: Dakota Jones, 6h53m38s, 11/5/2011.
R2R2R (women): Bethany Lewis, 8h15m51s, 11/6/2011.
R2R2R2R2R: Jim Nelson, 22h48m, 11/6/1999.
R2R2R2R2R2R2R2R (really!): Jason Vaughan, 68h10m, 5/4-7/2013.
The Rim-to-Rim (R2R), R2R2R, and R2R2R2R2R (!) have been huge classics for many years. A speed record here really counts as a world-class performance, as many of the best mountain runners have tested their mettle in the Canyon. The fastest times are typically set by running the
North and South Kaibab Trails.
As best I can tell the record was held by Allyn Cureton, 3h06m47s set way back on 10/4/1981, starting on the North Rim, until it was broken by just 37 seconds by Jared Scott on May 27, 2011 (see below). That record lasted just less than a year, and was broken by Rob Krar with an excellent 2h51m28s on 5/25/12 (see below). Jason Wolfe (2h58m30s) and Jared Scott (3h3m10s) also broke the old record that day. A detailed report with splits is on
Wolfe's blog
Cureton also held the R2R2R record for 25 years at 7h51m23s, set in an actual race on 11/9/1981 (S to N to S Kaibab trails). Races have long been banned in the National Parks. The record was finally bested on 11/10/2006 by Kyle Skaggs, 7h37m. Kyle had to run a little extra due to a bridge being out. A year later (11/10/2007) Dave Mackey ran 6h59m56s. Mackey reported being held up for several minutes on his ascent back up the South Kaibab by a mule train. Mackey's record held for about 4 years before being broken by Dakota Jones who ran 6h53m38s on Nov. 5, 2011. Jones reported on his
as follows:
"...Mackey was held up for several minutes during his record run on the way back up the South Rim by a mule train. A similar thing happened to me, except that instead of a mule train I was held up by being astoundingly tired. I ran hard, but never felt like I was approaching my comfort zone until the final climb, when I entered the suffer zone and then fell into the abyss of despair. From the few reports I have read as well as my own two experiences running the Double Crossing, two facts seems to be permanent for all runners: 1.) Nobody goes into it rested. Everybody just runs the Grand Canyon as a training run, or in between races, or when getting back into shape. Nobody trains and tapers specifically for the Grand Canyon. 2.) You're going to blow up on the ascent back to the South Rim. Stop deluding yourself - it's going to happen. You can't avoid it. However, I will stick my neck out and say that a fit and rested runner who finds the Canyon in good condition could significantly lower the time. My prediction is that within five years the men's record will be under six hours. Go ahead - call me out on that. It will happen."
Jones also reported the following splits: River(49m), North Rim(3h22m), River(5h12m), South Rim(6h53m38s).
Anton Krupicka
failed to beat Jones' time on April 20, 2013, 6h59m24s, just 32s faster than Mackey's 2007 time. Then, on 5/11/2013, Rob Krar brought the FKT all the way down to 6h21m47s, as reported below.
As far as I can tell, prior to 2011 the fastest time by a woman was Emily Baer's 9h25m in 2003 or so. However, 2011 was a banner year for women's speed records on the R2R2R. On April 19, Krissy Moehl and Devon Crosby-Helms ran the route in 9h12m, as reported below and on
Moehl's blog
Crosby-Helms' blog
. This record stood just 4 days, and was broken on April 23 by Darcy Africa, who ran 8h25m26s, as reported below (with splits). Finally, on Nov. 6 Bethany Lewis lowered the bar still further, running 8h15m51s, with an unusual North Rim start. This was reported on
The double R2R2R is rarely done. The fastest is by Jim Nelson, 22h48m on 11/6/1999. The following additional quad crossing information is courtesy of Davy Crockett: Previously, Wally Shiel established the quad record on 10/4/1987, with a time of 24h45m. Others who have completed quad crossings are Dana Miller (1993), Susan Gimbel (1994), Davy Crockett (2006), and Jason Vaughn (2013) who did 43h31m on his way to the first ever triple R2R2R (see below).
Though the North and South Kaibab Trails have seen the most speed record activity, there are many, many other great routes in the Grand Canyon! Who's going to claim a record for the amazing Hermit-Boucher loop? How about the complete Tonto Trail? Or any of the remarkable, obscure routes off the North Rim?
Davy Crockett
has done some very long, wild routes in the canyon, such as a double crossing via North Kaibab to Grandview trailhead and back (83 miles) in 34h07m on 10/12-13/2007, and North Kaibab to Hermits Rest and back in 34h00m hours (87 miles) on 11/24-25/2006.
South Kaibab Trail
Stephanie Ehret on the Hermit-Boucher loop
Posted by Jamil on Apr 27, 2010, 7:40pm
Thought I would post a link to a recent R2R2R record attempt from Jason Wolfe of Flagstaff posted on Ian Torrence's blog. His total time was 7:12:44. It's a good read and shows promise of lowering the record in the fall:
I've referenced his splits on this page for quick viewing:
Spilts (Plan vs. Actual)
Section Actual Split Plan Split
SRim to River 55:38 58:00
River to Cottonwood 1:04:44 1:00:00
Cottonwood to NRim 1:26:23 1:30:00
NRim to Cottonwood 1:04:34 1:00:00
Cottonwood to River 1:00:54 1:00:00
River to SRim 1:40:28 1:30:00
Total 7:12:44
Food / Fuel
Gel Bottle = about 4 Gels finished about ½ up NRim
1/3 of a Power Bar on way down from NRim
Bag of Chomps from Roaring Springs to Phantom
2 Endurolytes just after Cottonwood Campground
1 Gel pack 1/3 the way up SKaibab
Things to do Different / Opportunities for Improvement
Bring a few more gels
Optimal time to run probably in late-Oct / Nov / early-Dec due to temperature and snow / ice
Taper (or semi-Taper)
Push the flats harder
Run with a group vs. solo
Posted by
on Mar 24, 2011, 11:02pm
Dana Miller did the quad in 1994, not 1993 (I was with him). He was shooting for a sub-24, but got very nauseous on the last crossing, puked his guts out all the way up the SK to the finish. He was the first one to do it, though.
Posted by
on Apr 1, 2011, 1:25pm
I am wondering if there is regular route for a complete traverse of the Tonto? Little Colorado to S. Bass? Also, any times recorded or other info?
Posted by
Peter Bakwin
on Apr 2, 2011, 11:17pm
I don't know, but Scott Jurek did it last year in around 32 hours. You can check his Facebook for more info. Please report back if you discover anything interesting! You might also check with Davy Crockett who seems to know a lot about the canyon.
Posted by Krissy Devon on Apr 17, 2011, 5:40pm
To make it official we are excited to state our intention to run the womens FKT on the R2R2R. Devon Crosby-Helms and Krissy Moehl intend to start at 6am on Tuesday April 19, 2011 on the S. Kaibab trail and do a complete out and back. (S. Kaibab & N. Kaibab). We will time ourselves, take photos and have witnesses at start and finish. Finally we will post our results here after the run. Wish us a speedy and safe journey!
Posted by
Peter Bakwin
on Apr 20, 2011, 9:48am
I had a report that Krissy & Devon ran the R2R2R yesterday (4/19/11) in 9h12m, for a new female FKT. Hopefully they will report details.
Posted by
on Apr 20, 2011, 10:31am
On April 15-16, 2011 I ran a solo, self-supported Traverse of the Tonto Trail from South Bass Canyon to Cottonwood Creek in 27:56:51, about 77 miles. I think the complete traverse of the Tonto should be South Bass to Red Canyon (Hance Rapids). That can be debated because trails continue on either end, but on the east it is no longer called the Tonto and on the west it requires an out-and-back. I didn't quite make it all the way to Red Canyon, ten miles short. Scott Jurek and Joe Grant ran it April 2011 in 32 hours. That time may have been trailhead to trailhead (South Bass to New Hance).
Posted by
on Apr 20, 2011, 2:48pm
You can read details of my run here:
Posted by Devon CrosbyHelms on Apr 20, 2011, 5:52pm
Hey everyone,
Just a quick post to confirm that Krissy and I did indeed run the R2R2R yesterday, April 19th, 2011 in 9:12:29. We will be posting splits, blogs and tons of photos and videos as soon as we have them assembled. We are super stoked!
Posted by Devon CrosbyHelms on Apr 23, 2011, 6:58pm
Though we've second hand got reports today that Darcy Africa broke our record, I wanted to make sure I posted up our blogs with all the photos, videos and splits to follow through. It was an epic journey for both Krissy and I!
Krissy's blog:
Devon's blog:http://devoncrosbyhelms.com/2011/04/grand-canyon-rim-to-rim-to-rim-fastest_23.html
Posted by Devon CrosbyHelms on Apr 23, 2011, 7:03pm
Sorry, hyperlink malfunction: Devon's Blog:
Posted by
Peter Bakwin
on Apr 23, 2011, 11:09pm
Darcy Africa crushed the women's R2R2R record on April 23, 2011, 8h25m26s. The record had been lowered to 9h12m just 4 days before by Devon Crosby-Helms and Krissy Moehl. Darcy ran with Dan Brillon until the bottom of the South Kaibab trail on the return, where Dan had some knee problems and let her go. Sue Johnston, who was also running the R2R2R at the time, reports that she and Chris Scott observed Darcy & Dan on the descent of South Kaibab. After reaching the river, Chris returned to the South Rim via the Bright Angel Trail, then took the shuttle bus to the South Kaibab trailhead, arriving about 10 minutes after Darcy finished. Dan and Darcy's husband Bob Africa arrived about 15 minutes later. Dan reports the following splits from the run:
River 0h57m
Cottonwood 2h15m
Caretaker's House 2h37m
North Rim 4h06m
Caretaker's House 5h00m
River 6h32m
South Rim 8h25m26s
Here's a link
to Dan's public Facebook page on the run.
Darcy Africa on the South Kaibab Trail (photo by Dan Brillon)
Posted by
on Apr 26, 2011, 1:58pm
On April 24th, 2011, Jennifer Roach did not come close to breaking Darcy's impressive speed record, but she did complete her 10th R2R2R. Perhaps this is a record for the most R2R2Rs by a woman, or perhaps anyone? Also, 8 of her 10 RRRs have been her 50-mile version, which is down the Bright Angel, east on the Tonto to the South Kaibab, down the lower South Kaibab, up and down the North Kaibab, then back up the complete Bright Angel. I've had the pleasure of going with her on three of these excursions, including this most recent one. I'll be posting photos on my Facebook page.
Gerry Roach
Posted by
on May 27, 2011, 12:36pm
The North to South R2R record was broken today by Jason Wolfe and Jared Scott. They clocked a 3:06:10, as reported by my friend Caleb Schiff. More details will be forthcoming, I'm sure.
Some additional info posted to Facebook:
Caleb Schiff
So just to be clear. Jared Scott ran a 3:06:10. Jason Wolfe was feeling strong and making up time on his way up S. Kaibab but got stuck behind a mule train. I believe he would have had it too if not for the asses. His final time was 3:13 and change.
db tonight at 5 PM to celebrate.
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Royal Park Hotel is beautiful. Enjoy it! If you can get driven in, do. Parking can be a little crazy. Try and leave early too.
Not sure if you attended the Meadowbrook Show in August 2010 and also stayed at the Royal Park, but it is a first class hotel with a cool hangout in the Commons and a fine restaurant across the hall.
The Hotel is a short walk to the Rochester Mills Brewery and to the downtown area on Main Street, which has some good dining choices in Kruse & Muir (seafood) and the Rochester Chop House.
Rochester has a nice downtown that is a few blocks from the hotel. And the venue is only a few miles from The Royal Park too.
thank you sir - no this is actually our first venture to see DG in the mid-west in fact so am actually getting very excited about the idea! And am looking forward to the Royal Park - thanks for your recommendations!
are you going to the gig?
a little pricey but we will see you in the pit!
Got my seat assignment ended up with Orchestra 2, row 1, seat(s) 213, 214.
Anyone else get theirs?
not too far from us - I think we are 201 and 202 row 2 - they are going to have to push me out of the aisle - good for dancing!
given this is the tour opener we should probably do it justice...........shining would be happy to meet up and relate some of our tales.........i guess there have been a few - and some familar old posters in mr nike and t-y-l - it would be great to have a crew get together at the royal park in advance of the show........not sure of an opener so we should just shoot for sometime 6pm-ish I guess
we are definitely going to arrange trransport back and forth from the hotel - if we get any critical mass we can arrange for a small bus or whathaveyou and then folks can just park at the hotel - all we would ask is for all to chip in for their pro rata share.............don't think it will be a problem at all though - the GM is already my bff lol!
where there is a will there is a way!
singles though are always tough........may have to bite the bullet on a pair and then try to figure out selling the other ticket
good luck!
Found out my seat assignments today. We will be orchestra Row 4 seats 205 and 206. The excitement is definitely growing. Please count my brother and I in on any pre-show get together.
Well I'm going to say definitely count us in and transport to and from the gig sounds great!!!!!">
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Great new show! I love all of Lara Spencer's shows & this one looks like it's a winner! I'd love to see a little more on how they come about with the design ideas. All of the women in our office are flipping over two guys who are the ones who help fabricate things for the contestants. There is one young guy with long hair & moustache & another a little older (40's), tall, dark & extremely handsome! Yummy to say the least! WE WANT MORE!!!! Who are they? We have never seen them on anything & want more information. How about a one hour show? It seems like they squeeze too much into 30 minutes. Thanks you HGTV! | |||
This past Friday's episodes were even better. Lots of interaction on how things were being done, nice contestants and it didn't seem as rushed. Anyone else watching?This message has been edited. Last edited by: JBDdesigns, | ||||
I watched the show and really enjoyed it. I agree with your comments. | ||||
Good show. My fav was the couple who made a table from a bicycle. They wanted over $1K. At a flea market. The girls from Texas thought they had it in the bag, but they made the mistake of painting bamboo furniture after Lara told them to people love the original color. Sorry. They lost. The couple with the bicycle table sold it for asking price. Unbelievable. | ||||
I like the show but wish that the contestants weren't in the same tent so they didn't know what the other team had sold and for how much. I missed this past week but the one before both shows were won by the team that was the last to sell all their items and set the price literally to have one cent more than the other team. *Debi* ~*Never trade the thrills of living for the security of existence*~ | ||||
Very similar to another show they had several years ago. I liked the host but I have to agree they should be in a separate area so there is no gamesmanship with the pricing. | ||||
Totally agree! They shouldn't be in the same tent, that would make it more interesting. Either way though, I love this show. I love seeing how they re-purpose and up-cycle the items. | ||||
I think the show is getting better as they go! I didn't care much for the mailbox pet carriers nor did I like the table made from a buildings letter boxes which sat on top of the wheels. Too much going on there LOL!! The bamboo chairs definately shouldn't have been painted but if they had to, why on earth did they use that horrible green?? Lara was right on that for sure! The girls here (including me!!) would still like to see more of the guys/girl as they figure out how to recreate these things, particularly David (we finally caught his name on the last show). The other younger guy is cute but oh my, David is one **** of a sexy man!! I really think the teams should be seperated while selling as well. It's not fair to either team and it would make for better t.v. We didn't like how one team made a major price reduction on their last piece knowing that the other team had sold everything. They knew exactly how much they needed to beat them by & honestly, they never would have sold that last item for anywhere close to what they were asking. Great show!! I hope HGTV reads these & takes notes!! JBDThis message has been edited. Last edited by: JBDdesigns, | ||||
This show is okay but definitely staged and scripted. | ||||
Hi BabyDoll The only thing that is "scripted" as you call it, is before a project starts when the producer says "ok, tell us about your project" and after when they are asked how they felt about how the project ended up. Nothing is scripted except for the format of questions to the contestants. When a contestant does not sell their item, it's real world. Not everyone is a winner. When one of us runs a finger tip into a saw, unscripted. When a contestant breaks their mirror as their installing it, unscripted. There are thousands of things that go wrong with every episode and there are thousands of things that go right. Cameras are rolling the whole time & they try to catch everything that goes on & then they try to compress it into roughly 20 minutes of air time. Occasionally someone says or does something that the camera doesn't catch & I'll say "that's a good one, say it again when the camera is back on you". We are not actors or SAG card carrying professionals. We are all nervous around the camera but try our best not to look like fools. Some of the contestants act like they are gunning for a Grammy but that's not us. Give it another try. David | ||||
This is one of my new favorite shows, but some of the competitors are rather unlikeable. In the "Battle of the Roomies" episode, one woman of the two-women team is somewhat obnoxious, insults sellers by under-pricing their items, insults the choices their competitors have made, and she goes into the other teams' work area to snoop on what they are doing. I didn't know I was watching The Apprentice! Very tacky! | ||||
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