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Should the United States launch a pre-emptive attack on Iran to prevent that country from developing nuclear arms?
Should Israel?
My unscientific poll of friends and neighbors in Oakton finds no one who wants an attack. But I found no one who agrees with me, either.
My opinion is it doesn't matter if Tehran gets The Bomb. Even if it does, we should seek friendly relations, not confrontation.
Others are obviously more worried about an Iranian nuke than I am. That includes bigwigs inside the Beltway.
Thanks to a series of planned leaks, we know the United States and Israel collaborated in unleashing the "Stuxnet" computer virus on Iran's Natanz uranium enrichment facility as long ago as 2009.
This was an extraordinary intrusion. It required a "human asset" — an agent — to carry a USB thumb drive into the isolated Natanz facility and plug it in. The "Stuxnet" malware fouled Natanz's computer systems and damaged centrifuges but it also made an unplanned escape into the outside world and infected tens of thousands of computers without regard for borders or politics.
My view is the United States and Israel shouldn't work together on military matters. When I worked in the State Department in the 1970s, a wonderful supervisor cautioned me we could use the word "ally" only to refer to a government with which we have a mutual defense agreement, meaning the NATO and ANZUS countries (today, minus New Zealand) and South Korea. We don't have a mutual defense pact with Israel precisely because our interests do not coincide.
So what about those who want the United States to send B-2 Spirit stealth bombers and F-15E Strike Eagle fighter-bombers swarming over Natanz with satellite-guided, bunker-busting bombs?
Even if the idea had merit, it won't work.
According to Air Force Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence, an attack on Iran would delay that country's ability to develop a nuclear weapon by two years at most while worldwide repercussions would be "detrimental to our interests."
A July analysis of U.S. and global opinion on nuclear proliferation, produced by the Council on Foreign Relations and the Program on International Policy Attitudes (PIPA), indicates Americans are "deeply concerned" about Iran developing an atomic bomb but only 13 percent see military action as a solution.
In 2003, we invaded Iraq based on faulty intelligence and a perceived threat that did not exist. Neither the Iraq of 2003 nor the Iran of 2012 has ever posed a threat to the United States.
Iran is far from blameless. Officials in Tehran owe us their explanation of the June 25, 1996, truck bombing at the Khobar Towers living quarters in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 U.S. airmen. Some experts say this was an al-Qaeda attack but the evidence points unmistakably to Iranian revolutionary forces.
But we should not take any action that will unify those forces. Iran has a diverse population with a high level of education and literacy — by some standards of measure, higher than our own — and many people with moderate views who would welcome improved relations. We'll lose any chance of improving ties if we bomb their country.
The talk of bombing Iran is dangerous talk. We should look for other solutions.
About me: My book "Mission to Berlin" is a history of American B-17 Flying Fortress bomber crews in World War II. I write books, magazine articles and newspaper columns in my home office in Oakton, assisted by my 65-pound talking Labrador retriever, Autumn.
Dave Webster
11:13 am on Friday, July 27, 2012
I disagree with several parts of your analysis Mr. Dorr.
1) "The United States and Israel shouldn't work together on military matters."
Israel possesses human intelligence sources that the US can't hope to match. We need to work with Israel to accomplish our own goals. Our interests and those of Israel coincide more than they diverge. We don't have to refer to them as "allies." Strategic partner would seem to be enough.
2.) Iraq v. Iran
This comparison is not even close. The intelligence supporting the proposition that Iran is developing nuclear weapons isn't questioned by any responsible party. The only question is how long will it be before Iran has the ability detonate a bomb.
3.) Iran is far from blameless.
The Khobar Towers incident is only a small part of the story. Since the Islamic Revolution Iran has engaged in an undeclared war against the United States. Just to name a few incidents: 1.) 1983 bombing of Marine barracks in Lebanon (241 Americans killed) 2.) murder of CIA Station Chief William Buckley who was kidnapped in Beruit 1984 and underwent 15 months of torture 3.) Iran's direct involvement in killing US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
4.) Bombing Iran Won't Work
I disagree. The credible threat of military action against Iran is virtually the only thing which will change the behavior of the mullahs. God help us all if Iran obtains nuclear weapons and delivery systems capable of reaching the US.
Tom Cleaver
7:51 pm on Saturday, July 28, 2012
A war with Iran is a good way to seriously knock out the United States, worse than we knocked ourselves out in Iraq and are knocking ourselves out in Afghanistan. Neither to any good purpose.
Bombing Iran is not likely to end up stopping anything there, and getting into a ground war there is going to be more than we can handle. Iran is not like either Iraq or Afghanistan. The last successful invader was Tamerlane, and he had to kill half the population to do so, a result I doubt even wingnut morons like Dave Webster who get their disinformation from Faux Snooze would be willing to do (or have someone else do for them, since "patriots" like Dave never manage to end up in uniform out at the sharp end of the spear).
Tom Cleaver
7:55 pm on Saturday, July 28, 2012
By the way Dave (and the rest of the warhawk fools) you might be interested to know that Bob Dorr is considered one of the leading military historians and analysts in the country; he has access to people who have information you'll never hear, so you might take his comments with a bit more seriousness than you give to the bubbleheads at "Fox and Friends" or "Bill O'Reilly," none of whom know that the sharp end goes in front.
Kevin Chisholm
5:40 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
This is a more informative and honest discussion than you read in many places. Thanks to Patch for providing the forum and the well informed voice and writings of Mr. Dorr.
Kevin Chisholm
Candidate for Virginia's 10th Congressional District
Dave Webster
6:21 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Mr. Cleaver,
I fail to see how any of my comments have enraged you to the point where you feel it is appropriate to engage in personal invective. If you examine the points I made they are well within the mainstream of thought on the issue of Iran.
Mr. Dorr's access to information does not render him infallible in his observations. I disagree with Mr. Dorr about the necessity of our cooperation with Israel and I don't think anyone questions the conclusions of numerous intelligence agencies that Iran's present goal is to obtain a nuclear weapon.
The litany of Iran's transgressions against the United States in recent years, through its proxy Hezbollah, which I documented in my comments is just the tip of the iceberg. I forgot to mention, for example, the torture and murder of Marine Colonel William Higgins and the murder of Navy Seal Robert Stethem.
I never suggested, and never would suggest, a ground invasion of Iran.
I fail to see the logic in attibuting my views to watching Fox News since none of the items I just mentioned have been the subject of any news reports to my knowledge.
7:05 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I think at least Mr.BOB Dorr has his 'ducks in a row' before he EVER runs his computer off full bore! Bob Sethem Brother was a friend of mine on the teams. His BROTHER...SW-2 Robert Stethem,USN,UTC-ONE,Navy DIVER,was killed 6/15/85 When they had those 'Red Flag' Free US Passports for military. Most of us said "no to the offer" and spent the $35.00 for the blue! He was planning to apply to BUDS later on. And your an 'Expert on what know?' Just the Facts Please!
10:06 pm on Sunday, July 29, 2012
Just offering a thought as a non-expert, but I'm tending to agree with Mr. Webster. I think our interests coincide in that we would be upset if Iran bombed Israel out of existence. Of course to prevent its own destruction, Iran would probably have to also bomb European and US targets at the same time. Our safety may depend on a targeted attack of nuclear bomb facilities in Iran that would considerably disrupt their production capabilities. Perhaps the educated and moderate citizens of Iran don't like their leaders' saber rattling either and would understand why we felt the need to act.
7:09 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Mr. Dorr,that photo would look good on the MT forum!!! God Bless..RC
Dave Webster
7:27 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
In the Navy, Stethem was a Seabee Steelworker assigned to NMCB-62 in Gulfport, MS. Assigned to NMCB-62, Stethem served multiple tours on Diego Garcia and Guam. Later, Stethem became a 2nd Class Navy Diver and was assigned to the Navy's Underwater Construction Team in Little Creek, Virginia.
My apologies for use of the term SEAL. Does that mistake negate everything else I said?
8:58 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
Accepted, Thank You, no it does not, just do 'homework, stand out from the rest like Mr. Dorr! God Bless and keep fighting for the truth, do not be a 'PC Yes MAN'! We need Leaders in OUR COUNTRY NOW ever then before!!
Robert F. Dorr
7:42 am on Wednesday, August 22, 2012
I debriefed some of the passengers from TWA Flight 847. Their experience at the hands of hijackers was beyond horrible. My recollection is that it was his identity card, not his maroon official passport, that caused him to be singled out. That doesn't change my opinion that the United States should seek to improve relations with Iran. A for RobotChicken's comment about the photo, I do not have the capability to post a photo in the venue he cites.


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As much as I abhor the increasingly nasty vitriol that has become the basic requirement for online commentary, sometimes I hear something and I just have to pause to say "Are you kidding me?". Today just happens to be one of those days, so I beg your forgiveness for breaking one of my own rules.
While listening to the morning news on the radio, I stopped in my tracks in what can only be described as an audio double-take. Today's astonishment is provided courtesy of Big Box commerce and a group of individuals who clearly have nothing better to contribute to society. It is only the Monday before Thanksgiving (remember, that's always on Thursdays) and there are already lines forming and tents rising in an effort to be among the first to take advantage of irresistible bargains starting Friday morning at 12:01AM. Really?
The ancient Roman satirist Juvenal first coined the phrase "bread and circuses" (well, an approximate translation thereof) to describe a populace so self-indulgent that controlling them is just a matter of government providing food and mindless distractions. True, my example of the intrepid shoppers has nothing to do with government, but the point remains the same. Are we so materialistic, commercially focused and, frankly, desperate, as to leave all common sense aside and camp out in front of a store for four full days to save $50 on a GPS or laptop? Apparently the answer is "yes".
I'd love to be able to lay blame, but it would be shortsighted at best. We all share accountability for this devolution of priorities and maturity. We have made it commercially attractive to retailers to have them open at the stroke of midnight on "Black Friday". This year, for the first time, a number of them are opening on Thanksgiving night! So much for family togetherness and grateful reflection on all that your Creator has provided you. We have all contributed to the economic carnival of stores open around the clock--encampments, long lines, short-tempers and bargain hunting that makes Filene's Basement a posh desitination.
Heresy though it may be, I'd support a return to some form of "blue laws" that limits the days and hours of commerce. I know, I know; the loss of convenience would be devastating to us, not to mention all of those midnight shift retail jobs that might be lost. Still, I must rhetorically ask "Do I need to stay up that late to go shopping for Christmas presents that I can't really afford for people I'm not sure will appreciate the effort?".
Watch out for the elephants, the circus is in town.
John Linko
2:48 pm on Monday, November 19, 2012
Great post, Jeff. Right with you on this. I was listening to the same broadcast (I think) on the way to work this morning. One guy interviewed was camped out in front of a Best Buy somewhere, and admitted that he really didn't know what was on sale, he was just there for the experience.
Must be nice, I thought - no job to go to, no house to clean, let's just camp out and wait for Black Friday. This guy must be a Bishop or something in what I like to call The First Church of My Stuff - their highest holy day approaches.
If I might be permitted to exercise some political license - we should always be wary of elephants :)
James Dale Barrington
9:20 am on Tuesday, November 20, 2012
Agreed Jeff and John... When confusion comes to how far capitalism will go you give a gift to the masses; 'bread and circuses' in the form of Black Friday. It works as a sugar high - until it gets old and out of fashion - then a new trick evolves. It's a materialistic culture we live in, - but when enough people discover that the pay off doesn't do very much for themselves maybe this fetish will end. If this much enthusiasm could be given to the ecological and environmental needs of the planet what a change we would have. If we could see the economy as a subset to the ecological structure/needs of the earth we would change our song from 'I am a narcissistic animal' to 'we are the world.' - But alas that cannot happen unless something tragic or great changes the character of our 24/7 mindset... Our leadership and ourselves are nearly helpless products of our times. I, too, would support 'acting out' on some of these self-serving enterprises by withdrawing my attention, time and money from their coffers... Good article and well written...
Pauline Donnelly
7:00 pm on Monday, November 26, 2012
Oh, so true, Jeff, and oh, so funny. Sometimes I wonder if the polarization in this country is really political, or is it a difference between those who have common sense and those who seem, for want of a better word, insane. And what kind of economy do we have today, if for it to prosper, we must all bankrupt ourselves to "spend more"? Is this really how strong economies of the past worked? I'm seriously asking, since nursing is my field, not economics.
6:50 am on Tuesday, November 27, 2012
Pauline - We have an economy that's based on growth - no growth = bad economy. I've always questioned the wisdom of this, unfettered growth in a finite world with finite resources and finite land to build on just doesn't make sense. One of the leading economic indicators used is new housing starts. Where are these new houses going to be built in 2050, 2080, 3000? Won't we run out of land? I'm no economist either, but it seems obvious that a consumer economy can't work over the long haul.
Great commentary, Jeff. The only thing I'll disagree with you on is the line "We all share accountability for this devolution of priorities and maturity". I refuse to take any accountability for this. The blame lies on those who have such empty lives that they decide buying things, and spending days in anticipation of buying things, is the way to fill it up.


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The last word
Secure your data - but share it around
Most implementations of content security and document management are lacking in the ability to balance harsh control versus open collaboration. Security is an important part of content management, but enablement for collaboration and business process is an equally valuable requirement.
Recent high profile cases involving the loss of sensitive data have no doubt driven corporate and public sector IT departments to enter new levels of lock-down and control, but in doing so, will they stifle collaboration and innovation?
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Interestingly, when asked in more detail about the possible outcomes of a data loss, identity theft of an employee or customer was placed number two, after operational disruption caused by missing data. I suspect that few would have predicted the political fallout from the lost HMRC disks and the potential impact on support for the multi-billion pound National ID Card scheme.
One of the aspects highlighted from these losses is that data-in-motion is much harder to secure than data-at-rest. Once removed from its relative safe house of application and network security layers, sensitive data needs a much more integral security system. Encryption is, of course, part of the answer, but also needed is a procedural arrangement that ensures such protection takes place, preferably a system that is managed by an automatic workflow system enforcing security measures on to data which is to be taken or published outside of the organisation.
Control or Share
Huge amounts continue to be spent on IT security, but all too frequently the questions are not asked as to who or what the data needs protecting from. In the AIIM survey, 70 per cent were concerned about wilful intrusion from the outside with only 42 per cent concerned with accidental leaking from the inside. The lowest level of concern, 33 per cent, was from inappropriate sharing within the organisation although this rose to 58 per cent when we asked experienced records managers and compliance officers.
And its here we come to the rub. Its easy to take a black-and-white view of data security. Control and secure comes the cry from IT and records managers. Collaborate and innovate say the business managers and policy makers. So we need to compromise somewhere along this continuum. The AIIM survey indicates in most organisations there is a balancing act between the two extremes. There is, however, a definite lean (33 per cent of respondents) towards the lock-down view of security, versus the collaboration mindset (17 per cent).
This is perhaps a symptom of the fact that most current implementations of content security and document management are lacking in the ability to balance harsh control versus open collaboration.
As a further indicator of motives, we asked if the strategy would change if outside influences from regulatory or legal compliance requirements were to disappear. The majority of respondents, (62 per cent) stated that their strategy would remain the same.
To explore attitudes to enabling information for collaborative sharing, when we asked, Which of the following is closest to your organisations perspective? Thirty-eight per cent cited to prohibit unauthorised use predominantly from external sources. Whereas a combined 47 per cent (perhaps seeing where the survey was leading!) are orientated towards enable secure sharing and collaboration.
Justifying Spend
In other AIIM surveys, we consistently find that providing an RoI (Return on Investment) is one of the major inhibitors to adoption of document management and enterprise content management (ECM) projects. Yet, when couched in terms of information security, there seems to be little necessity to provide it. Only 16 per cent cited it as a definite need, whereas most saw it as an unavoidable cost of doing business.
Tellingly, of those who did calculate an RoI, 75 per cent were unable to find an acceptable level of return, which of course is inevitable if you do not include a cost of failure factor indicating the potential outcome of a data loss. However, in view of the fact that it cost HMRC £2.25m just to send apology letters to the 25 million people whose data they lost, the costs of data loss or non-compliance proceedings can be substantial.
Alternatively, as we move along that continuum from control to collaboration, we would expect to see an improvement in efficiency and effectiveness of our staff. The challenge, of course, is how to put a price on that improvement.
Improvements in customer service, greater staff flexibility, tele-working and out-sourcing, less replication in document creation, and fewer operational errors are all potential benefits of sharing and electronically work-flowing documents. Steer clear of the x amount of minutes required to find things argument, as it can stretch belief, but savings in time and travel for project coordination meetings, and speed up in project delivery can be both credible and substantial.
Secure Collaboration
Security is an important part of content management, but enablement for collaboration and business process is an equally valuable requirement. We need to realise there is a balance to be made between locked-down security and easy availability if we are not to hamper our organisations with over-dominant restrictions.
Modern content management systems can move that balance point for different types of content with different associated risks, and can manage collaboration through shared documents, both within the organisation and with outside partners, customers and suppliers.
These documents will be stored in just the one place and with one version set, and they can be accessed through local applications or published for controlled access over the internet. These documents-in-motion are not moving in the physical sense, and can then retain their original security levels, thereby reducing exposure to any physical loss or theft.
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It is always great to read different opinions regarding our wonderful game. However, I do not think that any of the SH giants will be "absolutely munted" by the tourists as APV1 has suggested. Whilst it is great to dream.... that is what is happening on this occasion..... realistically Wales should win one (two?) of their matches with the Wallabies.... England could also sneak a win.... and Ireland again have nothing to lose and all to gain in their three matches in New Zealand. The All Blacks will be at a "low point" in terms of losing key personnel.... but I still think that the team that they put on the pitch will dominate Ireland at the scrummage and through the rest of the match. Ireland have never beaten New Zealand in a rugby test match.... and it is not likely to happen this time either. I may be wrong.... it would certainly cap off a very fine career for BoD to beat the All Blacks whilst wearing the emerald green of Ireland.
Rocky 15, you rightly point to the fact that the BOKKE and Wallabies have been inconsistent on their recent Northern Hemisphere tours. In particular, Ireland has performed well against both teams [Ireland of course out thinking and out muscling the Wallabies in that wonderful match in the RWC.] However, I do think that NH teams travelling to the SH for the usual June / July matches will still under perform. The Australian Super 15 teams are not playing spectacularly well but Wales are likely to be missing at least three key players [Warburton, Roberts & Davies] not too mention Boyo Gatland [also injured] might not trouble them as much as we initially thought they would. I still think that Wales will win one of the three matches - after all the first test match will be played less than a week after the Wallabies are due to play a one off test against Scotland.
Posted 04:05 02nd May 2012
APV1, stop tormenting these poor souls. They cannot spot a good-natured windup.
Posted 03:33 02nd May 2012
AVP1 I have read posts of yours on this site that have been intelligent and well thought out. However, this one?? Is that sarcasm to its fullest extent??
Posted 02:16 02nd May 2012
There is a glaring omission, I know it's not fair for the rest of the Super 15 franchise #8s but Keiran Read should be penciled in every week.
Posted 23:28 01st May 2012
Perhaps so, however very few of those games (if any) was played south of the equator.
Posted 22:31 01st May 2012
NH teams playing in SH - I'd say 90% of the time SH teams will win. SH teams playing in the NH - maybe 70% of the time SH teams will win.
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Posted 22:07 01st May 2012
APV1 - nice troll... you hit all the important parts... 'stupidity', 'anonymity', 'detachment from reality'.... Essentially an idiot-post.
SH teams will win all the up-coming series with relative ease; despite having almost no prep time; will have squads full of injuries; and will face NH squads still sharp from the the 6ns.... these things still won't be enough for NH victories.
I do predict a lack of 'Blackwash' series though
Posted 21:50 01st May 2012
Rocky15 - good points, but remember that you have to look at where the games were played and when. I think that there will be many close games for a number of reasons: pre-tournament warm up, beginning of National teams, SA brand new coach/team etc. ~Most people are presuming that England will run SA close or win and that Wales will beat Australia, there is a fair chance of this, but I wouldn't underestimate the Aussies or SA in their back yards - it won't be quite the same as a November test in Europe. I'm just looking forward to some good rugby. I'm not mentioning the ABs - who would bet against them?
Posted 21:02 01st May 2012
haha ... well said rocky15. Can't wait to see the "BIG 3" give the "VISITING 3" a lesson or two.
Posted 20:32 01st May 2012
@APV1, the word "munt" is considered a racially charged insult in some parts of Africa, sort of like the word "coconut" in some parts of Oceana....really, I wouldn't make this up. BUT we know you used it in ignorance, and we're a forgiving bunch in Southern Africa, so we will politely point it out and move on with no stone thrown nor any stain claimed on your character....(jeez, there is a God....you couldn't make this up in a work of fiction)
Posted 19:34 01st May 2012
Okay I'm not sure what APV1 is even talking about so its is fair to say we should ignore him for the most part.
But I don't think the national sides from South Africa or Australia are as dominant over the NH as some might suggest. If you look at the recent results of someone like Ireland who have been pretty up and down over the last 6 years you'll see its pretty even between them and their SH counterparts.
Ireland played SA 3 times, won 2 times; Ireland played Australia 5 times, 2 wins 1 draw. Its the same with Wales and England, if you exclude a few cricket score wins by SA over England, there has rarely been more than 7 points between the teams.Now I'm sure some idiot will go back and open a history books from the 1700's and tell me how the SH were dominant, but thats irrelevant and if you do so you're retarded.
Oh and I excluded NZ from my argument because its fair to say their a class above and will give Ireland 3 hammerings in a few weeks time.
Posted 18:55 01st May 2012
I was really excited to see new faces in the 6N with retirements, new coaches and young players coming through and I'm getting that buzz again now thinking about watching the SH sides in a few weeks. Shame Goosen is out, he looks like a real star and I'm sure if teams were to lose to South Africa they would rather it be through some genuine class than Morne Steyn strangling them for the safety of his tee.
Posted 18:34 01st May 2012
Hahaha... APV1 u must be high, stoned, drunk and delirious if you think we in the SH do more than see you NH pansies as nothing more than an entertaining trot around the paddock before the 'real' games begin. With the exception of the frogs we always know what to get from you lot - long may you continue to wallow in your own mediocrity.
Posted 17:45 01st May 2012
APV1 - are you sober? (Not sure what munted is - from an African view, this could be more insulting than you think.) I can't wait to see the dazzling highly skilled NH teams show us a thing or two. Our SH rejects, oldies and money tourists are the only excitement in the NH.
Posted 16:11 01st May 2012
sound selections chaps
Posted 15:52 01st May 2012
It's very easy just to copy and paste my previous comment from last week's thread:
"Mediocrity personified. Not a single talented player south of Quito has ever played rugny and, frankly, I don't know why you bother.
I can't wait for "the big three" to get absoultely munted by the tourists in a few weeks. "Big three"?! Ha!
I bet you SH fans are quaking in your boots!"
Posted 13:51 01st May 2012
Fixture | Details |
All times are local | |
Super Rugby | |
Friday , June 28 | |
Chiefs vs Hurricanes | 08:35 |
Friday , July 5 | |
Crusaders vs Chiefs | 08:35 |
Saturday , July 13 | |
Blues vs Chiefs | 08:35 |
More Super Rugby fixtures |
Fixture | Details |
All times are local | |
Super Rugby | |
Friday , May 24 | |
Chiefs 28 - 19 Crusaders | |
Friday , May 17 | |
Hurricanes 12 - 17 Chiefs | |
Friday , May 10 | |
Chiefs 22 - 21 Western Force | |
Friday , May 3 | |
Melbourne Rebels 33 - 39 Chiefs | |
More Super Rugby results |
Pos | Team | P | Pts |
1 | Brumbies | 15 | 59 |
2 | Chiefs | 13 | 56 |
3 | Bulls | 13 | 54 |
4 | Reds | 15 | 54 |
5 | Cheetahs | 14 | 46 |
6 | Crusaders | 13 | 46 |
7 | Waratahs | 15 | 44 |
8 | Blues | 13 | 43 |
9 | Hurricanes | 14 | 39 |
10 | Sharks | 13 | 38 |
11 | Stormers | 13 | 38 |
12 | Melbourne Rebels | 15 | 32 |
13 | Western Force | 15 | 27 |
14 | Southern Kings | 13 | 24 |
15 | Highlanders | 13 | 22 |