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INDEPENDENCE — Remember all that talk about Kyrie Irving being a muscle-bound body builder?
Forget about it.
The five pounds of bulk that he added in the offseason melted off him during his four-day ordeal with having his four wisdom teeth extracted last Wednesday.
The Cavaliers point guard returned to practice on Sunday at Cleveland Clinic Courts and is still listed as day-to-day for the home opener on Tuesday against Washington.
Irving said he's waiting for team doctors to clear him to play.
"I'm not sure (when I'll meet with them), probably in the next day or so," he said. "It's a day-to-day thing. I had a good practice today, so I have confidence I'll play Tuesday. But it's up to the doctors.
"I'm feeling better than I thought I would. It felt good to finally get back out there after about four days."
The 6-foot-3, 191-pounder said he felt he needed to add some weight for all the beating he takes going to the basket. But it's hard keeping on the weight when probably all he could eat was Jell-O and ice cream for a few days.
"I lost about five pounds since getting my wisdom teeth taken out," Irving said. "So all that work I put in and Coach (Byron) Scott calling me Hercules, that's all out the window. Wisdom teeth (are) no joke." Continued...
The plan is to try to gain the weight back in the coming weeks.
"The worst part was being stuck in bed and not remembering the surgery," Irving said. "I just woke up and I was in my bed. After I got my wisdom teeth taken out, I just had gauze pads and I didn't know where I was except I saw my father lying next to my bed."
Scott doesn't appear to be in any kind of a rush with the Irving situation.
"As I told him, we'll still wait until Tuesday to see how he's doing — either after shootaround or whether it's a game-time decision," Scott said.
"I feel better knowing he was out here participating in practice. He looked pretty good. It doesn't seem like he lost anything, other than (a few) pounds."
Roster decisions
Scott hinted all along that he wanted to keep all three point guards on the roster.
"I thought it was important to keep all three of those guys," he said. "Donald (Sloan) has shown he's improved from last year. I'm intrigued by Jeremy (Pargo). Being in the system a little longer, he'll get better.
They are both young. We have three very young point guards."
He confirmed that Sloan would be the backup to Irving. Continued...
The Cavs waived forward/center Micheal Eric, power forward Kevin Jones and shooting guard D'Aundray Brown on Saturday.
"The decision to let Eric and Micheal go, I thought we had enough bigs," Scott said. "Those guys are still a year or so away from being able to help. Hopefully, they'll go to our D-League team, which would be great.
"Kevin and Micheal both can be claimed (by NBA teams). Hopefully, from a selfish standpoint, they'll go down there (to Canton) and we can watch them continue to progress and get better and keep our eye on them."
Important letter
Scott gave each of the remaining 15 players on the roster a letter, outlining the players' roles and what he expects from all of them.
The first two points of emphasis on every letter was to play defense and to rebound.
"I think it's an intricate part of team building and getting our team (headed) in the right direction," Irving said. "Once everybody understands their role and just focuses on what they need to do in order to make this team great, I think that's a positive step for us."
Irving said he thought it was a party invitation when he first saw the letter.
Irving has no problem with the first two points of the letter.
"Last year I wasn't in shape to be on the defensive end," he said. "I saved all my energy for offense."
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THIS CITY IS THE SHIT....not the biggest city or greatest city ever but you gotta respect it..i mean it has that arch which nothing beats from tha lou and im proud.. st louis representa
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1. A tragically underappreciated urban environment, tragically situated in an ass backwards state, which features beautiful parks, breathtaking architecture, and world class cultural amenities.
2. A city made up of urbanites, gays, and young professionals. A great city to live offering a low cost of living, up and coming public transit, lively night life, and some of the best educational institutions of the midwest. 3. Some Catholic saint, who cares? Uninformed person: What's there to do in <makes pretentious face> st louis?
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Good city, only real hicks are in south Missouri. And were ranked like 2nd most dangerous city to live in. So im sick of hearin' how tough new yorkers are. "I hear New Yorkers are tough."
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The City that no one knows that much about, and most people in the country dont even know what state its in. St Louis is that guy at a party that you dont relize is there until he leaves with your chick.
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1. The home of Budwiser, Nelly and Chingy
2. A very Rough City, ranked number 2 for most dangerous city to live in. The west part of st louis is more white collar and has more money. Gets more Ghetto towards the east and north sides of the city. 3. Just about the only place in missouri that has stuff to do other than kansas city and a population over 2 million. 4. pretty much one of the coolest cities in the midwest. 5. nobody outside of the midwest knows where it is. person 1: Where the hell is st louis?
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1.The 2nd most dangerous city in the US. This is because the crime rates in the counties weren't averaged in,and that's because the city and the county are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT!
2.The location of the best tap water in the US. WHAT NOW! We also have toasted ravioli, gooey butter cake, Ted Drews, and the cardinals. St louis has good food and nice people and Forest park, therefore it totally OWNS all the other cities.
An extremely ugly ass city with fast food Restaurants galore (steak & shake and white castles) and mean ass racist Hoosiers everywhere. Seriously I do not understand how st Louis was on the worst cities list? The city only has on an average 80-100 murders while D.C. and Baltimore or even Detroit has like 200-500 murders on average. And East STL (the only fucked up part in my opinion north stl isn't that bad) is not STL! It is a separate independent city of its own in Illinois. Look it up. I lived in St Louis
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Shadow stalker: Thanks
Meager pickings this time. I have been spending most of my free time drawing perspective exercises. cubes, staking boxes, ellipses...lots and lots of ellipses.
Shadow stalker: Thanks
Meager pickings this time. I have been spending most of my free time drawing perspective exercises. cubes, staking boxes, ellipses...lots and lots of ellipses.
Great job with this sketch, even though it's simplified, it shows a good knowledge about armor designs and metal and the hinted holes in the mask look really nice! I also like the way you soften edges on some of the portraits and the edge treatment on the foggy mountain studies!
Perspective studies are a welcome deviation from your comfort zones and I hope to see more stuff like the space ship! It could have used a cast shadow and some shading on the windshield to pop out more though.
Smuli: Thankyou. And yeah, perspective stuff is certainly way aways from my comfort zone but I'm doing my best to drag it there. I really just want to get to the point where I don't have to worry about this stuff too much.
Your really good at perspective stuff, is there any perspective drawing exercises you would recomend?
More perspective exercises.
I'm just complete and absolute noob when it comes to drawing machinery.
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The last mechanical sketches look confident, I like the seam, bolt and grill details you're adding!
About perspecive, one really good learning reference is the environmentoring thread about linear perspective. Fish eye perspective is also useful to understand, even if it's just to avoid using perspective setups that looks weird without it taken to account (it's really, really hard to draw convincingly and almost no one tries). This video does a good job explaining ellipses. Perspective is really just a small bunch of rules but the major part is fiddling around with them in practice to see what works. I guess I may have learned best by doing abstract perspective scenes with lots of boxes and cylinders like the first excercise on the mentoring thread, and by drawing buildings from reference with perspective lines.
keep posting and spiring love yor stuff.
Smuli: Thanks for the suggestions! That enviromentoring thread looks like a really good resource!
0000: thanks!
two exercises in perspective, prawn from district 9 screenshot and random alien.
Love the way you paint. Looks so simple, yet everything's there. Great stuff!
Ah the perspective exercises... they are a drag sometimes and I feel you, man. Personally I try to deal with it more loosely, more like Kim Jung-Gi than Scott Robertson.
Love your studies from the previous pages too!
Razz: Result of studying and limited study time.
Xinranliu: yeah, Loose is good. I'm not that interested at drawing perfect construction images of various vehicles and flying machines.
I just really want to gain confidence on this stuff so that I don't have to worry about it too much.
And thanks!
Really speedy study: Screenshot from alien.
very nice studies!
Wow... Some really cool stuff going on here!
I think you should do more paintings from imagination. I mean, try to illustrate something based on a subject.
Mr.Ebony: thanks
Vinicam: I think I need to start a counter for "you should do more stuff from imagination" .
Some sillhouettes and photo ref study.
quick environment sketches.
Awesome lighting, man. Your environments are amazing, they look so moody. That alien photo study is really good.
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Dem brushstrokes, man. Gorgeous texture.
Flashback: Thanks!
Jesibelle: thankyou.
Random aliens for sake of random aliens.
impressive studies man, and great tech things!
Flaskpost: thanks!
You know what sucks? Sinusitis. Sinusitis and week long antibiotic course that must follow. ugh. Feeling tired and druggy is seriously cutting into my productivity.
And it doesn't make me feel any better to feel like I have forgotten stuff I should know by now about painting.
Rendering practice from imagination.
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Random creature.
Been looking Anthony Jones aka robotpencils work recently. Love hes stuff. He has some of the most amazing skills in values and renderings I have ever seen.
Looking at hes stuff and works of Cole Eastburn, Jaime Jones, Maciej Kuciara and others, make me feel like I'm missing something crucial about values and rendering. It's driving me absolutely nuts.
Craig Mullins study:
Love The Craig Mullins study I think you really nailed it
Really great works in here looking forward to seeing more
keep it up
Awesome sketchbook! Jatka samaan malliin, sä oot nimittäin kehittynyt iha hitosti Ja täytyy myös sanoo et toi Craig mullins study on erittäin onnistunut.
Dk_Sketch: thanks!
Papu: Kiitoksia. It's quite encouraging to hear that.
Really strugling with this value problem.
Still not getting it.
Just a testground for rendering various shapes and folds.
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Hey man, great new stuff. Uhm, okay you were talking about values in the one two posts up, I've found that when you have a fairly low key image like that, having a really strong rim light, or any light source of the kind really helps to make the image feel whole and it tends to resolve the other values. Just on point of strong light can really make all the difference in those instances. Granted this is probably something you already know, aha but I guess it never hurts to be reminded of it. Good luck man, it's always a joy looking through your SB.
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helmet study:
loving the new stuff, really admire the rendering
Inspiring studies and posts. Keep them coming please!!
wow awesome sketchbook! I really like the screen shot paintings! Especially the ones of Game of Thrones Keep up the great work!
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I'm guessing you have received various emails about this subject, but I'm wondering if you are read anything into Coach Hoke's comment in his 8/21 presser regarding BWC practicing at 3-tech? Do you think this is an issue of Campbell not producing at the 1, or is it Pipkins showing that he can play immediately? Is it more related to issues with Beyer (assuming Clark is out of the picture for the near future) or Black forcing a complete reshuffling of the line? Or am I completing overanalyzing as I haven't seen an honest to goodness live Michigan football game in over 8 months? Is it best to seek therapy or self medicate with bourbon? Have I asked enough questions, or did you stop reading after the first 3?
My hope is that it is Pipkins practicing well and a realization among the coaches that he is a talent that needs to be on the field now. Hopefully this would take some pressure off of BWC, who I think most would agree is the key to D-line play this year.
Anyway, thanks for all your work, you truly provide both great writing and pertinent information for all levels of Michigan fans.
Here's the quote in question:
Well, we've been throwing Will a little bit more at the three-technique … Richard Ash and Quinton Washington and Ondre and Ryan Glasgow have been playing a lot of the one. We felt we needed to -- Jibreel's going to be able to play the three. At times you're going to need a little heavier package in there, bigger guy, and Will gives you that. So we've kind of been trying to get as multiple as we can.
I read that as a short-yardage/goal-line/MANBALL offense package. In those types of GRAARGH plays Black's size is proving a liability and they want a couple of fire hydrant types at those DT spots.
Pipkins may be forcing that move, but remember that one of the surprises of the spring game was Richard Ash popping up in the backfield to blow up running plays a few times:
Richard Ash made a couple nice plays, which I was not expecting. One was an excellent string-out on a stretch play that forced the tailback to awkwardly cut behind him. I was beyond not expecting that. I don't think John Gasaway will get on me if I say I was shocked. Yeah. Later he showed up two yards in the backfield directly in the path of an iso; he got blocked from the side but the bounce he forced saw Marvin Robinson chop poor Vincent Smith down for a one-yard loss.
It's not out of the question that he turns into a player—as a recruit he briefly had big time offers. He's got a chronic medical thing that has slowed him, but if he's finally rounded into shape he retains the body type to be a quality nose tackle.
A darker possibility: Black is not cutting it and Michigan is preparing a backup plan in case an Alabama lineman sits on him for the entirety of the first drive. Any and all of these are possibilities.
CHL union business.
Would this have any effect on the NCAA hockey schools in terms of making the CHL more or less attractive to prospects? Further, whether the CHLPA succeeds or not, what kind of precedent could this set for NCAA athletes to do something similar? It seems the CHLPA's argument for more pay, etc, is pretty similar to what NCAA athletes could claim.
A semi-related question: Would you be for the Big Ten breaking off from the NCAA in hockey and forming their own semi-pro league similar to what you have proposed for baseball? I hate the NCAA, and Big Ten hockey is more competitive than Big Ten baseball, so I think they could actually make more money via BTN and other endeavors.
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If a CHL union does get off the ground and forces the owners to pay them a reasonable amount, that could do any number of things to the NCAA's efforts to recruit against them. More money obviously makes junior more attractive, but if the end result of all this is some sort of strictly-enforced cap on how much any particular kid could get that might help the NCAA with the top end kids. Even if there isn't a hard cap, CHL teams forced to pay third-liners some variety of wage would have less to spend on the Troubas Jack Campbells of the world.
Unless it's a lot of money I don't see it making a big difference. CHL kids are gambling that their hockey career will pay the bills; NCAA kids are betting the education they get is more valuable than whatever stipend they would get in junior.
I don't know what the NCAA's argument is re: the CHL, but they probably have a better leg to stand on because they're affiliated with nonprofit educational institutions instead of out-and-out businesses. IANAL.
About Big Ten breaking off in hockey: what? There are only six Big Ten teams, and going semi-pro only increases costs. Who would they play? Why would they make more money as semi-pro teams (more high profile players I guess, but I'm skeptical)? It only makes sense in baseball because NCAA baseball is stacked against Northern teams so insanely. Playing the first month of the season on the road and never ever getting a Southern team to come to your place is a handicap you just can't overcome. There are no similar problems in hockey, and it's tight-knit enough that Michigan has rivalries with North Dakota, BC, Notre Dame, and to a lesser extent others. I award you no points for this idea.
LOInjury. That's LOI, not LOL.
With all the early offers out there, this seems like it is a discussion worth prepping for. what happens if a commit who has not yet signed his LOi has a career ending injury prior to joining the team? Would UM honor the commitment somehow even if he cant play? Is that allowed by NCAA? Is there a track record of this? Formulate a response now and pray we never have to use it.
We'll get to see how Michigan responds to this next year when Austin Hatch does or does not join the basketball team. It seems like a pretty easy solution: sign the guy and medical him as fast as possible. If you have to carry the guy for a year, that doesn't seem like a huge burden—most of the time you're just throwing that scholarship to a walk-on anyway.
Pointing origins.
In his interview with Grantland, Coach Hoke revealed his music tastes. "To this day, those records are the ones I still listen to — Hall & Oates, early Stones, REO Speedwagon, Aerosmith. I love Hall & Oates. "Rich Girl" and "Sarah" can bring a tear to my eye."
It's now clear who Hoke learned his epic point from:
Coincidence? I think not.
Go Blue!
Jake, on the other hand, gets sixty-seven points.
Tate Forcier's Michigan offer letter is still online. It says that the offer is "contingent upon the satisfactory completion of your junior and senior years, both athletically and academically."
The word "athletically" in the above quote strongly suggests that the kid still needs to be able to play the sport, or the offer would no longer be valid. I am sure that Michigan and other schools are still using that same wording. I've never heard of a case at any school where a letter of intent was signed, and the athlete had already retired from the sport.
I can't imagine allocating a scholarship to someone who can't play.
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In the post you said: "I don't know what the NCAA's argument is re: the CHL, but they probably have a better leg to stand on because they're affiliated with nonprofit educational institutions instead of out-and-out businesses. IANAL."
What does IANAL stand for? I cant figure it out and IIRC I've never seen it on the blog before.
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...I am not a lawyer. I suppose it also could refer to the degree of persnicketyness one thinks he projects. IANAL would probably rank high on that scale.
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Thanks for clearing it up. I totally couldn't figure that one out and thought he was making some sort of sex joke and it was just going over my head.
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....this guy?
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May have been that guy, but he specified early Stones. Clearly Mick is the genesis of the double Hoke-point whereas Hall (or is it Oates) helped Brady with the single-point.
The swag is back.
I really wish I didn't know that Coach Hoke liked Hall and Oates. And that "Rich Girl" still makes him cry.
I'm somewhat intrigued by playing Campbell at 3-tech. I've always thought that he doesn't fit the mold of a nose tackle, and I said in 2010 that Quinton Washington was instantly a better NT (i.e. stouter and less likely to get moved off the ball) than Campbell was. Obviously, that was two years ago and when Campbell was still out of shape, but Washington at NT and Campbell at 3-tech makes more sense for their skill sets.
It was all about Pipkins' progress or Ash's history of injuries.
Q's progress and Black's inability to play the 3-tech is the reason for the switch (that will be used from day 1). Maybe they go back to the old line against teams a little less stout/large/etc. on the OL...but for now it's Black-Q-BWC-Roh. Fine by me, we needed beef.
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As to the CHL paying a stipend, it seems to me that the best solution is to allow CHL players to attend NCCA schools after completing three yrs of hockey with their club. How making fifty dollars a week makes you a pro is beyond reason. This way, they can play in the best development league in the world and then, at nineteen, attend a university program, on scholarship and get an education they can use. The CHL does offer to pay for this but only up to 18 months after you leave the league and not at all if you play professionally anywhere. Michigan for example, would get some outstanding players who have played big time hky, the level of which the NCAA can never offer, while entertaining its fans and giving the players a first rate education. Guess thats too simple.
The vast majority of CHL kids see themselves going pro somewhere at 19. The teams make serious money with 19 and 20 year olds and would not degrade their product to become a glorified NCAA feeder league.
A bit of perspective: In London 9 000+ fans attend twice a week starting tomorrow. The CHL is the pros already. None of that changing any time soon.
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But would the CHL get any say in it? What if the NCAA just says "we don't consider the CHL a true pro league, and playing in it doesn't cost you your eligibility"? I don't know much about these things, but could the CHL stop the NCAA from saying that?
Now with 100% less South Bend, 100% more Washington DC.
that really doesn't change anything. There is no rule that says your age has anything to do with your eligibility. So what if the player starts university at 21 or 18? The point is they have already realized that a pro career isn't in the cards and are looking for an alternate plan.
As a former CHL'er myself I can say that I would have gone to the NCAA in a heartbeat after playing my junior hockey. As it was I played at the univeristy I attended in Canada for the 4 years of my undergrad. The fact that the NCAA considers the stipend some sort of "pro salary" is beyond ridiculous and if they didn't, you would see a lot of CHLers head south to play in the NCAA once their junior days were over.
The reason the NCAA considers the CHL a "professional" league is not the stipend.
The fact that there are players in the CHL who have received an NHL signing bonus, and possibly even played up to 10 games in the NHL, makes the entire league a "professional" league in the eyes of the NCAA.
Also, if you look at the NHL transactions in the newspaper in September, it will say things like "Detroit Red Wings assigned Alan Quine to Peterborough (OHL)." The NCAA sees that and determines that since NHL teams can assign players to the CHL, that makes the CHL leagues professional leagues.
Whether you agree or not, most people in NCAA hockey understandably prefer to keep major junior players ineligible. The only dissenting voices you hear are generally from coaches at schools that don't have very high academic standards (I'm looking at you, Lake Superior State).
you're penalizing an entire league, many of whom don't fall into either of the categories you mentioned. It is easy enough to determine which have signed contracts and which haven't. What you mentioned are really non-issues if you ask me.
I'm certainly not defending it, but it's probably easier for the NCAA to just go on a league-by-league basis rather than a person-by-person basis. There is also a history of this--the Olympic Committee, back when they cared about amateurism, had the same rules.
But really the reason that the CHL players are ineligible is that it would be a bad idea from the NCAA's perspective to allow CHL players. It is more likely to reduce their acttual talent pool than increase it. Think about it: let's say that there is a good hockey player in the Detroit suburbs, playing for Compuware, and he is drafted by the Owen Sound Attack when he is 15, but he also verbally commits to Michigan that same year. At 16, Owen Sound asks him to play for their team, and the USNTDP asks him to play on the U17 team in Ann Arbor.
Right now, this individual would have to make a choice: go to the U17 USNTDP team and keep college eligibility, or go to Owen Sound and lose any chance of playing in college. Many kids like this choose the CHL, of course, but most still choose to maintain college eligibility.
Now let's say that the NCAA has eliminated their eligibility rules about CHL players. This kid is now much more likely to go to the CHL to play. The CHL team is likely to steer him to high school classes that would pose problems for the NCAA academic clearing house, and is also more likely to try some other tricks (including under-the-table "bonus" payments) to keep him in the CHL until he turns 20. Once he turns 20, he is either good enough to play in the NHL or AHL, in which case he goes there, or he is no longer a pro prospect, in which case he would go to an NCAA school if he still can.
In the end, it's seems like this hypothetical kid is more likely to end up at Michigan if CHL players are ineligible in the NCAA than if they are eligible. Making CHL players eligible would also reduce the quality of players in the NCAA, by making it a league of NHL/AHL rejects.
except that last part about the NCAA being a league of NHL/AHL rejects if it were allowed. Actually, I'm not denying that it would only be the NHL/AHL rejects that would go to the NCAA (obviously that is what would happen), but I don't think it would diminish the NCAA product in doing so. Probably 90% (if not more) of the NCAA players under the current rules will be rejected by the NHL/AHL anyway, so allowing others at the age of 20 who don't make the league to come play when they are finished wouldn't take away from the product the NCAA puts on the ice.
I do agee that it would make it more of the elite players would leave and play in the CHL initially perhaps, but again, a lot of them are doing that now so I don't see it being that big a deal. This way though, when they don't make it to the league (which the vast majority won't) they can return and play college hockey when it is over.
I suppose my stance is mostly based on sour grapes than anything else because as I said, I would have rather finished my playing days in the NCAA than here in Canada. For junior aged players the CHL is the place to be (IMHE) but for University hockey you can't beat the NCAA.
Except the 90 percent number. Sure, if you take leagues at the AHA level you are right, but the typical Memorial Cup will have as many future NHL players and as many future AHL players as the typical Frozen Four. The numbers are about 1/3 each (1/3 NHL players, 1/3 AHL/ECHL players, 1/3 sub-ECHL players) for Frozen Four participants and Memorial Cup participants. I did the research several years ago and regretfully don't have the exact numbers, but it was very close. Of course, there is a smaller spread in quality between the top & bottom of the CHL than there is in the NCAA, but the teams at the top have about the same number of pro prospects. Look at Michigan: a lot more than 2 out of the 20 players on a given Michigan team will play in the NHL or AHL: it is more like 10 out of 20 who will play in one of those leagues for at least a year or two.
By allowing CHL players to move to the NCAA, the NCAA hockey product will move closer to what we see in the CIS (Canadian Interuniversity Sport): maybe competitive with the AHA or even the ECAC, but not at all competitive with the top-level NCAA hockey conferences today. Because really, at that point there wouldn't be any difference between the NCAA and the CIS.


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Fresh off the huge success of their massively viewed adaptations The Bible and Hatfields & McCoys, History is currently working on a miniseries project tentatively called Houdini, with Adrien Brody (The Pianist) signed on to play the famous magician and performer. Gerald Abrams (Modern Marvels), father of the beloved J.J. Abrams, is on board to produce the series. Although not much has been announced about the show, EW says it will depict Houdini's rags-to-riches story as a magic man and stunt performer at the turn of the 20th century. Houdini's release date is still TBA. Hit the jump for more.


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trade between hornestime and bee-fence
Jason Kidd for 9(213)
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Chris Bosh, Corey Brewer, and Ramon Sessions are all on the trading block. Looking for a quality 3.
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SG: Posey | Hardaway | Hassell
SF: Marion
PF: Bosh
C: Biedrins | Lang | Geiger
kevin martin, jarret jack, stat, kanter, randolph and blatche on the block
Looking to get more picks. Anyone willing to ship an 11 and 12 for Patty Mills?
Kings receive:
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Is Kaitos still managing his team, or did someone else take it over? Whoever is managing that team, I have a trade request for you.
Darren Collison or Jameer Nelson on the block for a small forward/wing to be Batum's backup.
Other than that, done. And I like my team.
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You want to have children with higher body postures and bony strong. So why don't you try sunbathing your kid. After birth about a week, your baby should be exposed to sunlight in the early morning. The ultraviolet rays in sunlight can boost capacity to form vitamin D in the body, which help to develop bone and muscle. Start with sunbathing in few minutes and then gradually increase, when your baby is 3 months or more can sunbathe for about half an hour. Mother should also sunbathe and play with baby in the sun. Spending time outdoors in the sunshine can do wonders for improving your mood and helping you to relax, not to mention boosting your much needed vitamin D levels to help your body absorb calcium for healthy bone development.
If your baby was born in the spring and fall, it's best to sunbathe from 7-9 am. In summer time, let the baby sunbathe from 6 to 7.30 am. Time sunbathing should not be too long, more than 30 minutes is not good for the health of your kid.
Choose a clean place with lot of sunlight illumination and pay attention to avoid catching the wind. You should let all the baby body contact directly with the sunshine but avoid direct sunlight on her face. You can wear hat for your newborn child.
After sunbathing, use soft cotton to absorb sweat for baby and let your baby drink a little water added.
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Portuguese merchants first landed in Goa in the 15th century, and annexed it soon after. The Portuguese colony existed for about 450 years (one of the longest held colonial possessions in the world), until it was taken over by India in 1961. The region still retains many features from the period of Portuguese rule, including Catholic churches. A majority of these churches were built on top of Hindu temples that were razed during the inquisition of Goa in the 16th century. The region is famous for its excellent white sand beaches, and sun drenched weather. A wonderful addition to any itinerary to take a break before heading home. 3-Day
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Holiday Inn Resort is located on a virgin beach of Mobor in South Goa. Spread in the vast landscaped property of 26 acre the hotel is like a beautiful mirage in Goa. The prime beach that is part of the hotel is one of the most important attraction in Goa. Resort offers total of 170 luxuriously appointed rooms & suites with partial view of Arabian sea/Garden/ Swimming pool view from the balcony. Out of l70 rooms, there is one deluxe suite, one Kids suite, 39 Club Rooms and 129 Plaza rooms all spread out amidst landscaped gardens and sprawling lawns. The hotel amenities include Centrally Air-conditioned, Well Appointed Work Desk and Seating Arrangements, Mini Bar, Tea / Coffee Makers, Luxurious Bathrooms with Bath Tub, Hair Dryers, Wardrobe, Direct Dialing Facility, Colour Television with Live Satellite Entertainment, 24 hours room service, Valet Services, Laundry Service, Currency Exchange, Safe Deposit Lockers, Beauty Salon, Health Club, Steam, Sauna & Jacuzzi.
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During My Ohana Luau's interactive dinner show, dancers call patrons of all ages onstage to learn Polynesian dance moves and befriend hula girls, creating a song-and-dance spectacle flanked by an authentic island-style buffet. Before the show, visitors dine on a buffet of delicacies such as Hawaiian-style steak and pulled pork with sweet-and-sour sauce, prepared fresh daily by a Samoan chef. A flaming fire knife dance serves as the performance's triumphant conclusion, wherein performers hailing from diverse Polynesian regions gambol in elaborate headdresses and traditional island garb. Parties celebrating birthdays and anniversaries relay their excitement to the house emcee, who announces landmark occasions to the crowd.
The eatery's full bar further enlivens shows with cocktails such as the Flaming Volcano for two, a mixture of three types of rum with orange and pineapple juice that burns brighter than a bonfire fueled by SAT-prep books. For less formal fare, the onsite café serves simple omelet breakfasts, and the pool-deck menu centers on sandwiches.
Physically, celadon porcelain from the Ming and Qing Dynasties and a 13-foot skeleton of the giant ground sloth don't have too much in common. But both explore how our world has evolved and how we perceive it—making both perfectly suited for display in the eclectic exhibits of the Museum of Arts & Sciences. The 100,000-square-foot museum—which perches on a 90-acre nature preserve—houses a planetarium alongside myriad exhibits that delve into art, history, and science.
The museum's particularly impressive assembly of Cuban art draws visitors through 300 years of history with more than 200 rare maps, paintings, and ceramics. Nearby, the exhibit of Chinese art glimmers with gemstones, bronzes, and cloisonné. Visitors also peruse crafts made closer to home in the 4,000-square-foot gallery of American art, where portraits by Gilbert Stuart and landscapes by George Bonfield hang on walls, rather than on the traditional horse's withers. In addition to its traditional art galleries, the Museum of Arts & Sciences also hosts more fragile objects inside the Helene B. Roberson Visible Storage Building, a 4,400-square-foot glass-fronted space designed to maintain exhibits in a climate-controlled state.
Younger museum-goers can gaze longingly at the 800 teddy bears on display in the Americana-focused Root Family Museum before heading to the Charles and Linda Williams Children's Museum to explore hands-on science exhibits. In addition to assembling and testing model racecars, whippersnappers strum the 16 laser beams of a laser harp and find the carotid artery with an ultrasound at the radiology lab. Daily shows in the planetarium continue scientific education by unlocking the night sky's mysteries, such as why stars don't go out when you blow on them.
As one of the only dedicated art houses in Daytona Beach, Cinematique's all-digital theater and surround-sound system immerse theatergoers in national, international, and local independent flicks. In addition to the latest celluloid, Cinematique screens cultural events, pairs indie movies with live improv comedy, and hosts a Saturday-night showcase for local filmmakers, musicians, poets, and Oscar-statue impersonators. Through its Daytona Beach Film Festival, Cinematique supplies audiences with a vast assortment of movies, from internationally acclaimed directors to local and student filmmakers. The theater also illumes an inflatable screen with cinematic classics at free outdoor showings at the Daytona Beach Bandshell, commencing each film at dusk so patrons and cinephilic fruit bats can relish its crystalline picture quality.
Daytona Ice Arena sends skaters glissading across an ultra-smooth, NHL regulation-size sheet of ice. Bleacher seating with room for more than 300 spectators looms behind the glass on one side of the rink, and above, a snack bar overlooking the facility doles out refreshments. While escaping Florida's heat and the panhandling paddleboards that come with it, visitors to the frosty, 35,000-square-foot arena can soak up extra relaxation at the Penalty Box Sports Pub, which accompanies elevated views of the ice with an arsenal of big-screen TVs. The building—located just minutes from the beach—buzzes daily during public skating sessions but also plays host to a medley of other ice-tied triumphs including learn-to-skate programs, birthday parties, and youth and adult hockey leagues.
One of the few undisturbed black-water streams still coursing through Florida, Spruce Creek teems with endangered wildlife flitting through placid waters and along its verdant shores. The outfitters at Cracker Creek Canoeing equip adventurers to explore those backwaters with kayaks, pontoons, and even hydro bikes, which chart courses through dense hardwood forests, cypress swamps, and coastal marshes. Additionally, Cracker Creek Canoeing's launch point occupies a 20-acre 1930s homestead retrofitted with picnic tables, restrooms, and maps for hopelessly lost tugboat captains.
For more than half a century, salty breezes off the Atlantic have rustled the fronds of the palm trees that arch along the fairways at New Smyrna Golf Club. The 18-hole, par-72 layout—originally dreamt up by course architect Donald Ross—more recently underwent renovations by Bobby Weed, updating them for 21st-century expectations such as an absence of pack horses. Before driving and putting their way across the 6,567-yard course, golfers can warm up at one of the driving range's 30 hitting stations or acquire gear from Titleist, Callaway, and Nike at the pro shop to fill their club quivers.


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Elections 2012 Results: Ann Wagner Takes Missouri's Congressional District 2
The GOP candidate said District 2 needs some "tough love" and she's ready to deliver.
Republican candidate Ann Wagner of Ballwin became Missouri's Congressional District 2 post Tuesday evening, declaring victory just after 10 p.m. at the Hilton Frontenac.
Wagner defeated opponents Glenn Koenen (D-Oakville), Bill Slantz (Libertarian-St. Charles) and Anatol Zorikova (Constitution Party-St. Charles) for the seat held by GOP Senate candidate Todd Akin.
As of 11:40 p.m., unofficial results on the Missouri Secretary of State website report Wagner had a 60.1 percent lead over Koenen's 37.1 percent with 75 percent of precincts reporting.
More than a hundred of Wagner's supporters, family and friends made their way to the Ambassadeur Ballroom at the Hilton-Frontenac, trickling in as polls closed at 7 p.m. Tuesday and staying strong, waiting through elections results aired on Fox News and enjoying finger foods and drinks.
Koenen's campaign also hosted a watch party at the Corner Pub & Grill in Ellisville.
Catherine Hanaway, Wagner's campaign chairwoman, addressed the crowd at around 9 p.m., saying Wagner was waiting to come downstairs until "more reliable numbers" were reported.
Wagner came down early, making her way through the room, until taking the platform just after 10 p.m. Her two sons, daughter, husband and mother surrounded her with extended family and campaign staff during the victory address.
"I've been told District 2 needs some tough love," Wagner said. "Our country needs some tough love and I am ready to deliver."
Wagner continued to thank supporters after an 18-month campaign, pledging to "never, ever be of Washington, D.C." during her congressional term.
Dennis Broadbooks
6:46 am on Wednesday, November 7, 2012
Congratulations, Ann! Look forward to your serving the 2nd Congressional District in Washington!


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Dylan Swain
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008, 03:43 (GMT)
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Howdy! Welcome to my first post.
I'm as newbish as they come and I'm looking for the usual: to be told that, like so many 'American Idol' hopefuls, I've got
...and that I'm not one of those poor, deluded souls in the season opening who can't believe they aren't recognized for the great talent they are. (Word of the day:
I have no experience. None. Please take that into account when you hear the demo - I know it needs work. On the other hand, I've been a cook and a chef for the last twenty years, so I'm not afraid of a few burns or harsh words or hard work. The advice I have heard for those getting into VO work is the same for those getting into cooking:
Don't Believe the Hype.
Fine. No prob. Thomas Keller and Dan Castellaneta I am not.
My goal is to work in animation and videogames...I live in Victoria, BC, close to Vancouver, and there is a lot of work for anime dubbing, and EA Games has their base there...okay, so maybe I'm a little dewy-eyed after all. Whatever. My point is, commercial demos are not my primary goal - but they could certainly help pay the bills.
This demo was made with the intention of demonstrating the range and flexibility of my voice - I am in no way 'locked in' to any of these voices, and I don't think my Kermit will win any prizes. But what do you think? Not bad for two weeks tinkering with Pro Tools and a mic?
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Melba Sibrel
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Can you convert to an mp3 and repost? You'll get more response if you do. Bigger isn't always better.
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Dylan Swain
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Done and done.
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Melba Sibrel
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You know, it's not bad. It's kinda okay. It feels long (a common beginner mistake) Should be 1-1.5 minutes -- unless gaming/animation demo preferences are different in Canada than the US. It doesn't knock my socks off. But it doesn't make me cringe, either. (which is more common than you'd think)
While I'm not sure you've got anything there that says "hire me over all the other 10,000's waiting for the same job" I hear the seed of something that you might cultivate into one of three things: a part-time endeavour; an expensive hobby; a way to amuse your friends and annoy strangers. Ha. Kidding.
If you're in a market where you have access to gaming/animation pros, see if you can get a working VO actor to give a listen, or a producer, or an agent. Seek a mentor who does what you want to do. Grasshopper. Don't pay a bunch of money (yet) for pro demo or further coaching. Basic acting lessons with emphasis on script interpretation would be a good first "lesson" if you've never had that. And improv is good for lots of things, including character development.
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Scott Pollak
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Rather than go on a long and convoluted recap, I honestly have to say I pretty much agree with Melba (imagine that?!).
Lose the "Hi, I'm...." intro (no pro does that), shorten it, and do all those other things Melba suggested.
As a total newbie with no experience it's a good start; better than a lot that I've heard. You're not ready yet to compete with the big boys, but you could be with time and training and practice and exposure.
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Robert Jadah
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It's not a perfect analogy, Dylan, but you will know that a chef doesn't get that five-star restaurant job by mailing out a whole lot of omelettes.
What you need do for the jobs you envision is to:
1) Join ACTRA. (This is not easy. You need a certain amount of acting credits, which you can get only through paid acting union work. A conundrum and a challenge, yes, but it well prepares you to deal with this infernal business.)
2) Find an agent. (Avoid the big ones at the beginning. They already have herds of unionized talents mumbling theatrically in their cellars.) This is where a tight, stellar demo comes in handy. Your initial effort here, of course, is neither. An agent also likes to know you've done some work, so spend a couple of years racking up whatever interactive or game gigs you can scrabble for.
3) Join your local amateur theatre. Practice. Learn. Enjoy.
Eventually, you'll be invited into the big kitchen, where you whip up the finest vocal feast possible.
Regarding your demo here, there are a couple of engaging characters. Impersonations and other parlour tricks don't generally impress, though, since somebody is already doing Homer, Kermit, Arnold, and Porky.
Find your own characters. Then be those characters.
Lastly, marinate slowly; don't rush. You'll not have a decent paying gig for years yet.
Victoria On!
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Dylan Swain
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Whew! I was anticipating jeers and the shout of "You suck, Swain! Stick to cooking!" j/k
Thank you very much for your opinions and advice. This was pretty much my assessment as well, so it's good to know I'm not totally off-base. I do intend to take some acting classes and, um, seek professional help.
It seems like there are a ridiculous number of people with their hands out, ready to fleece the new fish (to mix a metaphor or two). I suppose my next questions would be:
- Is it worth it to go for the premium subscription service on v123? I've read a few posts from subscribers here on the forum that suggest otherwise. On the other hand, three low-budget gigs a year would pay for the service.
- Are similar sites worth it?
- Any books, e-books, online resources, etc.?
- Anyone you would
Again, thanks for the advice (and the cooking metaphors, Mr. Jadah.)
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Connie Terwilliger
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2008, 22:17 (GMT)
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- Is it worth it to go for the premium subscription service on v123? I've read a few posts from subscribers here on the forum that suggest otherwise. On the other hand, three low-budget gigs a year would pay for the service.
- Are similar sites worth it?
- Any books, e-books, online resources, etc.?
- Anyone you would not recommend?
Before you spend the money on any pay to play site - do every piece of audition copy you see on the services - then do each piece of copy again with a different character or attitude - or talking to a different person - then critically evaluate which works and why - which doesn't and why.
You need to hone your characters and find what sets you apart.
You can get similar volumes of copy from Voices dot com.
As for resources - Voices dot com has wonderful free podcasts. VoiceoverXtra has great resources as well.
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Robert Jadah
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008, 01:44 (GMT)
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Dylan Swain wrote:
- Is it worth it to go for the premium subscription service on v123?
I'll not comment on that, Dylan, except to say that many (including me) never won the requisite three jobs. Many, many others have.
As to the coaching, I'd suggest you not spend a penny at this stage. Invest instead in TIME.
Exceptionally successful voicers like Bob Bergen, JS Gilbert, Philip Banks, Connie Terwilliger and others actually volunteer sage advice here.
Many only appear to trumpet their next workshop.
If you carefully peruse the hundreds of posts by these good and giving talents - and other stalwarts - you will be able to glean more solid instruction than from the pro teachers.
JS Gilbert, for example, will insult you, harangue you, and infuriate you. But he does it for free.
A voice coach does the same for $160/hour. It is my belief that too many voicers see a voice coach investment as a key to the golden city. It is not.
Spend 25 hours reading and interpreting the posts of the names I put forth.
Again, join an acting troupe: it is difficult to be a
voice actor
without any acting background.
That's a real good start.
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Dylan Swain
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008, 16:09 (GMT)
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Again, thanks for the sage advice. I've been researching like a madman the last few days - apparently my salad days in university weren't for naught - and I've been looking into acting classes. There's an improv group in town that could be an amusing catalyst as well.
I'll be practicing, practicing, practicing (always good advice, Connie, thanks). The first piece of real equipment I bought was a Shure Unidyne:
It is my precious, I loves it so. [/gollum] Every time I look at it, I want to boot up Pro Tools and record a track.
I'll edit the demo I've got, and put up more in the coming weeks for your consideration and amusement. It may be a steep learning curve, but I loves to learn: for me, there's nothing more exhilarating than tackling a project that's way too big, and wrestling it into submission. It's one of the reasons I got into cooking - the knowledge and skills needed to succeed are immense. Too bad it's so hard on the body.
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Well, I tweaked and remixed. Whaddya think?
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The Governator is back! Retired from politics, Arnold Schwarzenegger is taking a leaf out of his "Expendables" buddy Sylvester Stallone's book and setting out to prove that he can still kick butt at 65.
She has said it before. Now she's saying it again.
After the Denver shootings during a showing of "Dark Knight Rises," Warner Bros. swiftly withdrew the trailer of "Gangster Squad" from before the Nolan film and reportedly removed a sequence in which gangsters shoot up a movie theater from behind the screen.
"Glee" star Chris Colfer, who wrote and stars in the new film "Struck by Lightning," out in theaters Friday, shared his experience about the movie's road from concept to release in an exclusive guest post for EW.
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Pedro de Alberni would have stayed here, given the chance! This wonderful B&B just gets better - gluten-free choices, and now a refurbished 'royal' room with an Elizabethan bed! We saw squirrels and a raccoon in the lovely garden, too.
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Pre-Orders start tomorrow!
Our summer schedule will be up for pre-order from tomorrow as we need numbers finalised before we go away on our summer break in a few weeks! The releases by the Pan Am Scan lads, Nicolas Bernier, East Of Oceans (bvdub / Brock Van Wey), Chihei Hatakeyama + Asuna and Tobias Hellkvist are out in limited editions throughout July and August. We only have very limited numbers here so please no moaning if you miss out :) They should all be up by about midday GMT thanks :) Thanks!