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Re: Town Hall Meeting on Smoking Band
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Oh,Oh, Kmart, you may of woke her up. Let the sleeping dog fall asleep. Didn't you hear Jeff say amen? That means the end of the prayer. LOL
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kkmar wrote:Well I am planning to move to Tomahawk around september this year if all goes well. (moving from Texas) I must say from this thread it certainly looks like a lively place!
I'm thinking I might avoid Madison though...lol.
Nice to meet y'all!
Btw, on topic a little...being a smoker I don't necessarily agree with the second-hand smoke thing, but geeez...all anyone really needs to do is have a little respect for others....take it inside your house or car, patio, whatever. Not really necessary to chastise the whole world because they don't agree with ya. If you can't figure that out, perhaps therapy is in order?
kkmar wrote:Well I am planning to move to Tomahawk around september this year if all goes well. (moving from Texas) I must say from this thread it certainly looks like a lively place!
I'm thinking I might avoid Madison though...lol.
Nice to meet y'all!
Btw, on topic a little...being a smoker I don't necessarily agree with the second-hand smoke thing, but geeez...all anyone really needs to do is have a little respect for others....take it inside your house or car, patio, whatever. Not really necessary to chastise the whole world because they don't agree with ya. If you can't figure that out, perhaps therapy is in order?
kkmar wrote:Well Carol Ann, fortunately for me and my loved ones and friends, I don't have the level of paranoia and frustration that seem to consume you.
Seriously sweetie...the anti-smoking world is not after you. You can go ahead and light up in your house or wherever there are no signs asking you not to. If you live in a city which has smoking bans in place (sorry, not yet familiar with Wi laws), then perhaps you should move to the country somewhere....lots of room up there in the woods, so I'm told. Just have a little respect for the people around you. It really isn't hard.
Like I said before, I don't necessarily agree with the 2nd hand smoke issues completely, but I also am aware that there are some people who are seriously affected by it, with allergies, etc. My grandson is one of them.
Hey, an idea for ya....the town I currently live in does not have a smoking ban...it is currently up to each individual business, and many bars and restaurants still have good old smoking sections! I can send you directions down here if ya want!
logic1 wrote:WOW! - I have been reading this thread since the start - when you debate a topic - usually you listen to both sides - CarolAnn, you are evidentally only open to your side & no one else. That's fine but when you say get real - I think that should be said to you - you really need to realize that a smoking ban - no matter how widespread or minimal - is going to eventually happen - whether you like it (or agree with it) or not -
so once again - you need to "get real" if you want to smoke do it in your own space, totally up to you, but others do not need to be forced to endure what to you is not a big deal - if it is not a big deal - just do it on your own.
kkmar wrote:I just cannot help but chuckle at CarolAnn and her conspiracy issues here!
Carol, while my responses to you are (mostly) given in jest, if the issue truly upsets you that much, and if you are unable to deal with the laws or restrictions set in your own community then perhaps you really should consider finding a place that will offer you a more comfortable lifestyle. Actually, I'm a bit curious as to why talk of a smoking ban in Tomahawk upsets you so much if you live in Madison. After all, you do have the choice NOT to come to Tomahawk, do you not? Just plan your trips to a place where you can fill your lungs to your hearts' content.
Catfish wrote:Wow, I mean WOW. This seems to be a perfect example of the saying, "Let sleeping dogs lie." I hope I don't feel another urge to reply on this particular thread. It seems as though the bantering back and forth with CarolAnn doesn't go much further than adding fuel to a fire. I believe when you stop adding fuel to a fire, it eventually goes out.
kkmar wrote:Ok CarolAnn, it seems obvious that you will never attempt to look at this from any other view than the suspicious one that seems to rule your very existance, but I'll have one more go at this....
The anti-smoking campaign, like any other legal proposal, will never make everyone happy. Then again, even with the most stringent of laws there is someone in the world that disagrees with them...even the ones in place to protect us against violent crime have their opponents in the form of the criminals that they protect us against. We will never live in a world where everyone can be happy. The vast majority of the population accepts that. The smoking bans popping up across this country will never appease everyone either...not just smokers, but many business owners (bars, restaurants, etc) have a large customer base that smokes. I think that the majority of the population would rather have these bans in place because of the perceived health risks associated with second hand smoke. Now, even though I don't necessarily agree with those perceptions, I can accept the bans, as long as no one infringes upon my right to do as I wish in my own home, property or car, etc. I don't believe for a second that tobacco will ever be outlawed...the industry is too huge. Your manner of insistance that it will, as well as your refusal to accept any other opinion on the issue, along with all of your "smoking nazi" and "heil hitler" remarks, only feeds others' impressions of you as a paranoid, unreasonable and unbalanced individual. The way you present your arguments doesn't allow anyone to take your argument seriously. You may want to reconsider how you present yourself on these boards.
kmartell wrote:Years from now some Anthropologist, with a Psych minor, will discover this ''Town Hall Meeting on Smoking Band(sic)' thread and have a field day analyzing each and everyone of us. And we know who we are and what our 'contribution' is. There is the main provocateur who put out a trail of outrageous statements, like a trail of bread crumbs, to entice and sucker in the 'well meaning'. The 'well meaning', in good faith, make their arguments only to be ignored time and time again. Soon the 'well meaning' realize they are following this stupid bread crumb trail and switch tactics and lay a bread crumb trail of their own to draw in the original provocateur for a game of 'the bird messing with the cat'...only us birds do it strictly for some nasty evil satisfying harmless fun...but then we soon tire of it and attempt to quit the game altogether.
Anyway, that's kind of how I see it. And I have to say that NOT ONCE did I fall for any of this juvenile foolishness and I knew what I was doing all along....so I won't be included the 'study'.
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A mile east of the Tijuana International Airport is an area police call El Fin del Mundo, the End of the World, where drug-cartel assassins dump their victims. Both Mexican and American citizens have been found there. On December 18, 2004, according to Sergeant Tom Bulow of the San Diego County Sheriff's Department, San Marcos resident Noé Chávez García was lured to Tijuana by two acquaintances who shot him several times and left him in this corpse-disposal zone. He survived his wounds to tell his story to the FBI and Mexican officials. His is a rare case — he lived.
"A total of more than 4,800 Mexicans were slain in 2006 and 2007," reports the Washington Post on March 16, 2008, "making the murder rate in each of those years twice that of 2005. Law enforcement officials and journalists, politicians and peasants have been gunned down in the wave of violence."
"What affects one side affects the other," Mayor Jerry Sanders tells USA Today on February 5, 2007. "We're literally one region with a fence down the middle."
"The murder rate in Tijuana is certainly not more than about 500 per year," states USBorderPatrol.com, which is not an official government website. Maintained by "supporters of the United States Border Patrol," apparently Minutemen-friendly watchdogs, the site has an in-your-face manner that a government site cannot. It asks, "Of course, when is a body count an actual body count?" and adds, "This is the number of people discovered on the street, in cars, in houses, or mysteriously plopped at Tijuana's city dump within a dozen miles or so of the city center. The 500 does not include the vast numbers of 'others' who find their way into shallow graves scattered across the 10,000 square miles of desert sands from Tijuana to the Sea of Cortez."
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1985 — Miguel Angel Félix Gallardo, a former police officer from the Pacific coast state of Sinaloa, is the first Mexican drug czar to link up with Colombia's cocaine cartels. He is known as "El Padrino." "He and other druglords shared the Tijuana corridor," writes Time magazine. After the February 9 murder of Enrique Camarena, an undercover agent for the Drug Enforcement Administration, the Reagan administration pressures Mexican authorities to take action.
April 8, 1989 — Miguel Angel Félix Gallardo is apprehended in Sinaloa. The New York Times reports, "Hours after he was arrested… army troops…rounded up the entire city police force — about 300 men — for questioning about possible links to Mr. Félix Gallardo, who American officials believe smuggled as much as two tons of cocaine into the United States each month." Many police officers defect from the force.
1990–1993 — Gallardo's organization breaks into two factions: the Tijuana cartel, led by his seven nephews and four nieces, the Arellano Félix family; and the Sinaloa cartel, run by former lieutenants Héctor Luís Palma Salazar and Joaquín Guzmán Loera. Both organized-crime syndicates engage in kidnap for ransom, assassinations, and drug transportation. "Into Tijuana roared the seven Arellano brothers," states a Time article, describing the brothers as "handsome Benjamín, their CEO; chubby Ramón, the enforcer; finance-whiz Eduardo, 44, the money launderer; and the eldest, Francisco, 51, the gregarious, cross-dressing pitchman who, say officials, cemented the clan's top-drawer political and police alliances, usually out of his Mazatlán discotheque, Frankie O's."
December 3, 1993 — Francisco Rafael Arellano Félix (aka "El Comandante Mon") is arrested by the Mexican Federal Judicial Police in Tijuana. The Mexico City newspaper Reforma notes he was once arrested in San Diego in 1980 for selling 250 grams of cocaine to an undercover Drug Enforcement Administration agent. He is incarcerated on drug charges, for illegal arms possession, and for complicity in the murder of Catholic Church cardinal Juan Jesús Posadas Ocampo as the cardinal stepped out of his car at the Guadalajara airport.
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Tijuana is a very unique place that attracts many American and foreign visitors from all walks of life for many different reasons . With the recent rash of violence and corruption taking place its understandable that people are hesitant to go there.. Human beings in general dont want to risk there lives and or fortunes by visiting a lawless society.. Obviously , America is part of the problem (with there insatiable craving for drugs ) in the battle of the continuing drug wars that take place upon our borders. Until something is done , I think readers should take heed to the authors warnings .. Obviously Mexico will suffer greatly from these tourism losses , and if there goverment sectors cannot unite and get a grip on there problems , it will become much worse . One thing they might explore is to take a proactive response to there problem , perhaps legalize some drugs (like Amsterdam , that does not have drug war and lawless problems.) and would bring massive amounts of tourist traffic and revenues that could go straight into there economy , as well as curb the violence and turf wars from these dangerous sectors currently in place .perhaps this might weed the bad guys out or at force them into a more honest living within a "legalized" sector withought having to blow people away to protect there turf wars , and jepordizing the safety of all Obviously , Mexico is a very desirable destination for travlers .. people like the laid back culture , The Mexican ambiance ...there government should step up to the plate and come up with ideas to ensure that they keep attracting tourists to there region and make it safe for there people , not scare them away. I for one love Mexico , yet am now a bit aprenhisive to travel there due to the random kidnappings , blatant corruption and so on .. Travlers are not stupid , word gets out weather it be good , bad or ugly ...Something needs to be done to curb this disturbing trend .. Dont follow the dumb ass Bush/Republican U.S. approach to drug intervention ,, implement a 1 year trial period ,, whereby you can enact controlled hash house areas , like that of Amsterdam , and see what happens ,,,What do you have to lose , at the rate your going now your Country's looking at a potential revolution taking place ,unless the violence can be curbed. Furthermore I believe legalizing could see a major reduction in these crimes we see proliferating , and the wellbeing of these border communities at large would see a major influx of tourists , jobs , and revenues . The bottom line is something radical needs to be done , Dont look to the U.S. for support and assistance (there a failure , and a drug addicted society ) take a look at Amsterdam's lead in drug laws and implementations and make a move in that direction .. When its safe again , I will be the first to fisit for a bueno hit and a cold Corona .
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well go to tijuauna and you are going to get robbed ,killed or hurt badly i am sure..... i went with a friend just to see what tijuana was like he has lived in city heights 27 years and been many times; it was our lady of guadalupe day 2007 i wanted to experience the cathedral as i have experienced other parts of mexico on the feast day. well a night mare for me offers of drugs, sex even "we have girls you can take home"...... after bieng, at least trying to be, friendly turned down those offers ...one offer especially disconcerting> was to come upstairs for great mexican food , 99 cent margaretas nakid dancers and any drugs i could possibly think of. joking i said oh no i would not go any place i would not take my daughters that statement was a big mistake,,, immeadeatly threatened and asked if i thought i was bullet proof,i quickly left the area downtown. needless to say i told my friend we got get outa this place now...that man was not kidding.. the moral is stay out of tijuana ,rosorita and dont even try to cross the border. i am no spring chicken and i saw many young men looking for a "good time" what a mistake for them! even if you are just looking for a cheap weekend at the beach at rosarita what is your life worth? STAY AWAY and avoid the enevitable...
In some cases, those guys on the street who offer to take you "upstairs" where there will be "girls, food, margaritas" are going to mug you in the stairway or an empty room. Advice to the tourist "looking for a good time" is to check various guides online that alert to dangers and what is safe, ask some Americans in the area who look like they've been there for advice, don't travel alone if you're green to TJ, keep an eye out on who is walking behind you and how close, and pretty much never trust anyone on the street and their grand offers -- and if they get threatening and irate, ignore them, walk away, give them a dollar to shut up, just don't start a conflict that will make the police interested in what is going on because they're not going to care about "your side" of the story.
Answer to #3 --
The "fake cops" won't be in the main tourist areas because the authentic cops and the federales will spot them. The guys dressed up as TJ cops are in other areas and usually on a quick mission, if you will -- a kidnapping or a gun-down, a get in and get out fast operation.
That's not to say trust all TJ cops. The "honest" public relations cops on Revolucion (women cops too, to make female tourists "feel safe") are just for show; next week they may be working for someone else.
Also do your research well, and of course... don't go alone, don't dress like a tourist going on "bootie call". Plus exercise your common sense: if you look at a cop in tj, take a good look at their facial characteristcs, the way the walk, if possible what kind of accent they use (with their own spanish), etc. if you think about it can become easier to tell a real cop from a fake one, and an honest cop from a crooked one. Finally, forget whatever stereotypes or ethnic typecasting that you dad or grandpa' used back in their days... things have changed a lot! And nothing is what it seem anymore(if you get my drift).
Don't go. It is not safe. There is nothing worth going there for. Things are really not any cheaper after you compare the time and border wait. Spend your money in America.
I really don't understand the point of this article, is the SD reader writing sensationalist press now??
There is violence everywhere SD, LA, NY, not just in Mexico or Tijuana
I really don't get the purpose of this article... I even doubt about the research made for this article...
Tijuana-San Diego should work together to solve problems and articles like this just makes it more difficult
Response to post #5. Mexico needs to work on its corruption problem. The writer noted numerous visits and several contacts with Mexican police which were hustles.
I used to visit Mexico; Rosarito and Ensenada. I became tired of being pulled over by the police and hit up for money. If you can't trust the police, how can you have any faith in their law and order? So I stopped going and I don't miss it. As I said in my first post, there's nothing worth (the risk) of going there for.
Mexico doesn't report all the crime and Americans don't report things as well. So unlike in American were every single tidbit makes the press, internet or a blog.. in Mexico many negative reports are suppressed and never reported.
I used to take visitors from out of town down there for a day. Now I would never do that or even recommend it to anyone. It's so seedy, dirty and corrupt these days I wouldn't insult a friend by exposing them to it.
Linda22 --
How is the fact that violence and corruption exist in more than one place reason to not discuss its impact in one particular region?
Answer to #5
Linda, all the events reported are verifiable and you can do your own research via the sources given to see for yourself. It's difficult sometimes to accept that these things are happening a few miles from our homes, because it makes us feel less safe. I have known people (and know people) who will not watch the news on TV or read the paper because they don't want to hear about the murder that took place five miles away, or the rape that happened two blocks away, let alone what is happening in Dufar, Iraq, or Mexico City; they do not want to "believe" that such things occur so close to a safe and quiet home. In one way, this could be a good thing, to keep the dark stuff away, those matters that will make you scared and depressed; in another, it is not good -- shielding oneself from these truths is to shield oneself from reality. I would like to hope that a middle ground could be met where we can ignore the monster outside but become aware that it is indeed there and to steer clear of it.
Violence in TJ is not comparable to "SD, LA, NY" -- in SD, LA, and NY, we do not have a plethora of politicians, police chiefs, and journalists assassinated in broad daylight, or decapitated heads left out in public with warning messages attached. International news outlets such as the BBC, Reuters, and Al Jazeera report about Mexico's drug cartel violence because it is unlike any other in the Western world, there are human rights violations going on, and politically the atmosphere and leadership could change overnight.
I used to spend quite a lot of time in Mexico. In the late 90's, Tijuana seemed to be turning the corner. We could pop over for a long lunch, and the border wait coming back was often less than half an hour.
I returned there this year, on several different occassions, and I can say the place and the mood is really changed.
Boarded up storefronts, a sort of closed calculating look on the residents' faces, army check points, and soldiers with automatic rifles and flak vests patrolling the streets...
I was offered interesting work this summer with a maquiladora in Tijuana, and it was very tempting. But I reluctantly turned it down.
Never before in my life have I been concerned about kidnapping. It's something that happens to wealthy executives or people involved in the drug trade...not friendly computer geeks who speak passable Spanish.
But today there seems to be a level of desperation and ruthlessness in Tijuana that is difficult to ignore. I do stand out in a crowd, best as I try to stay low. Were I captured, they'd find out quickly I don't have significant amount of money. I expect they'd just dump my corpse and move along to the next victim. Bye, bye, Fred.
I am a coward after all, and the disappointment of the people I was to work with this summer was really sad.
I am deeply sorry for the average Mexican who has to endure this low-level warfare day in and day out. They do not deserve what is happening all around them. They know the root cause though, and who to blame for encouraging this to happen.
Our own pointless "War on Drugs" is what fuels this carnage next door.
The narcotrafficantes are here because America's desire to use recreational drugs remains a constant attraction for those who will supply them. So long as we continue to use paramilitary methods to fight this commerce, they'll use paramilitary methods to fight us and each other.
The war on drugs in Mexico is being waged in our name. This long list of murders is only a small portion of the blood we shed, directly and indirectly, because our national leadership is composed of hypocrits.
For 16 years now the man in the White House, Democrat and Republican alike, has been an admitted illegal drug user. Instead of admitting that recreational drugs are not the root of all evil and can be used in moderation without destroying your life, these two men continued the lies of their predecessors.
The result today is a multi-billion dollar drain on our treasury, and the slaughter of countless neighbors, whether guilty or innocent.
Don't blame Mexico. The fault is our own.
You owe me 15 minutes crossborder_kenn. For reading your drivel.
TJ still sucks.
Corruption is everywhere, I'm not defending Mexico, is just that I don't see the point of the article... is it to scare everyone? To keep people away from Mexico like it's a tainted place..
who's buying all the drugs? All the drugs cross to US, I guess we have to think who is causing all this troubles
Totally agree with #10
I haven't been in 22 years and at that time, myself riding with 2 friends were pulled over by a policeman who said we ran a red light. 'Follow me to the jail" or give me your money. We had about $120 which we handed over. I live in North San Diego County. My oldest son is 17 1/2 and when i recently asked him what he wanted to do for his 18th birthday he laughed, and said, "I'm going to Mexico".
I knew there had been trouble there, but not to the extent this article showed me. Over my dead body will he cross that border, i don't care who thinks it's silly. It is not worth the risk and he will be reading this article tonight.
Yeah you could say what you want to say about Mexico/TJ...But I just laugh at some of the hypocrisy of the critics. I go across the border daily watching US senior citizens buying their meds for half the price than the USA. I see the underage kids sneaking across the border looking for cheap thrills,booze,drugs,and women. I watch business men,husbands,fathers,and good respected men looking for the ladies of the night. Yes hypocrisy is funny my friends......
Sorry…in two parts:
Part #1
I've got to say that I'm amazed that the SD Reader - which has some really good journalism -- allows not only MikeH to write a biased and, yes, sensationalist article (or should a say a compilation of 20-years of police reports...which, covering 20 years, could make any city look bad), but then allows him to defend his own article on the comment board without identifying himself. Got to admit, seems like a blurring of an ethical line, in my opinion. But, what do I know - I'm not a journalist.
As for claiming you have "sources"...well, your sources aren't always that great, Mr. H. Come on -- using what you even admit is a "Minutemen-friendly watchdog" website to give you insight into what "really" goes on in Tijuana? A real journalist might actually look at truly "verifiable" sources -- not just a statistic found after a Google search from people that aren't necessarily considered quite objective on Mexico... Should I mention using "meta-religion.com" as one of your "sources"? Really? A site that is run by a guy up in Vancouver and that stresses "occultism, gnosticism, theosophy, magick, esotericism, the paranormal".... And your source about the four people (yes, one of which was a US citizen, with a criminal record) killed outside of Tijuana, claiming a conspiracy of some sort that the "official record" had changed? Surely it could not have been inaccurate information being updated a few hours after the first press report…and "RightSideNews" is probably a more accurate source than journalists from Frontera and Reuters, right?
It's not about wanting to "ignore" bad news -- it's about how articles can mislead tens of thousands of people by highlighting only part of what is a much more complex situation of a city that is the second-largest after Los Angeles along the entire Pacific Coast of North America (yes, that's a real statistic - you can look). It's not about "ignorance" - it's about "oversimplification" and fictionalizing real events.
Not in your article, but in your comments, belittling readers like Linda22 who brought up violence in "other cities" didn't seem quite professional (sorry). I'm sure you already know that San Diego's crime and murder rates are below average for big cities in California, so San Diego's not a fair comparison.... But, again, using what I consider "verifiable" statistics (are 2007 statistics from the FBI okay?), one can find that, yes, cities like Oakland CA, Baltimore MD, Rochester NY, Detroit, Flint MI, and even ol' New Orleans have significantly higher murder rates than "dangerous TJ". In my book, THAT's a real story - not that a city in a "developing country" next to a major drug consuming one is having some problems with drug trafficking battles... Oh, yes, I know: those are only "official" stats, but I guess we also don't count those that "disappear" and never make it to the "official records" in our own statistics, do we?
Part #2
So, forgive me for reading your article like a semi-regurgitated hit piece on Tijuana -- that's what it appears to be. I lived for two years in Tijuana with zero (count them zero) times ever being pulled over or hit up for a bribe. I've been doing business in that city for over 15 years, so I'm not a novice either.
I can't speak for where your experiences were (or why you appear to have decided to make this so personal) but articles like yours hurt thousands of people that try to make a living in a big city that's always going to be our neighbor (yes, believe it or not, a city of 1.6 million actually has quite a few people that aren't involved with criminal activity, and have their dreams and hopes put out of business because of the succession of over-hyped articles like yours). They are families, they are our friends, they are our customers, they are our fire fighters and doctors, our teachers, our neighbors - and many of them are suffering because of a very hard drug trade that hurts our entire region, and a level of poverty that articles like yours only add to.
I'll give you (or the Editor of the San Diego Reader) a challenge: write another front-page article -- this time, with direct access to real sources of information (not hearsay and possibly questionable info). Report about what the thousands of people are doing daily in Tijuana and Baja California to make a change, that risk their own lives (and their families) to fight corrupt forces, that do quite a lot (for a still-developing country) to make Tijuana both a better place for its residents AND visitors from the US, and people that add an important part of what makes the Greater San Diego-Tijuana region great. Write an article that gives a little more insight into a fast-growing and dynamic city in which people live, work, and struggle - not a article that doesn't do justice to the Reader or its readers. That's my challenge to you and the San Diego Reader.
I'll watch for a response
Crossborder Ken,
I would like to read that proposed article you described in your comments. The Reader takes freelance submissions. From your comments, it's clear you know how to write and have the contacts to put your story together.
I don't know how much the Reader pays, but if they publish your article you'll cash a check, just like any other writer who takes the time and effort to submit an acceptable story. If the Reader passes on it, you can submit to a long list of other publications that might be interested.
I look forward to seeing your work soon, and when it's published you will be able to interact with your audience online just as Michael Hemmingson (MikeH) does.
Interacting with informed readers is a healthy development in journalism. I'm glad when writers respond to our comments.
Now get to writing, Ken. I'm waiting.
Another hit piece on Tijuana.
I have lived in Rosarito for almost 20 years and just dont see it. I go out to eat when I want, I surf most everyday, ride my dirt bike all over the place.. My kids are healthy and happy..
Yes there are problems EVERYWHERE. I dont hang out in Compton either...
Lest we forget the doctor driving down the 710 FWY shot to death just for driving down the road. Or the FWY shootings recently in San Diego. This piece is just another example of slanted reporting..
I hope people are smart enough to see it.
Crossborder_Kenn -- You are lucky that you have lived down there for two years and have not yet been pulled over and had to pay. I am sure there are many people in Mexico and Tijuana who have never had that experience; but there are many who have, so perhaps "the wrong place at the wrong time" is the apropos phrase.
Come on people get a hold of yourself this has been going on for year and not only in Mexico or Tijuana but in San Diego and all across the United State just because we are honest people showing you what's going on in life and try to open your eyes to the world our govermment doesn't have to hide the truth from our nation so why should yours do it? so people can think is a better country . Trust me that this corruption also exist from the demand of drugs in the United States, corrupted officials supplying mexico with various fire power i've been a witness, so why don't the journalist write about this? is it because they are scared of there own govermment? what ever it is i know for a fact that this country has most of their population living a fairytale world were issues like this never go on. So many people that are too scared going to Tijuana i've lived there all my life and if you dont hang around with the wrong crowd and mind your own business then things are just fine but if you don't follow the rules you pay with your life end of story.
Tijuana is a city with close to 2 million people, so of course there will be some robberies, murders, kidnappings, etc. I live in San Diego and we have those things as well. That being said, I would not set foot in Tijuana right now. I use to go almost every other week from the time I was 16 until about 26 (three years ago). Why would I go there? Because my friends and I would like the excitement of the fights, the drinking, and partying until the next morning. Tijuana is very very dangerous. We have seen stabbings, shootings, beatings, and this is in what is considered the "high class" clubs and bars. Frankly I know that if I go to the Gaslamp, get drunk, get in a fight, the worse that can happen is maybe an overnight stay in the drunk tank or a black eye. But in Tijuana, the risk of being shot or stabbed or killed is 10 times more likely. Im not a hermit who sits at home and reports on what I've seen on the evening news, I have seen it first hand. Staying away from Tijuana now is not being a coward, it is being smart. If I am going to put my life in that much danger, then I will do it for my country in Iraq or Afghanistan, but not for a $2 Corona beer in Tijuana. Peace.
Who wants to kill a person for a 2 dollar beer corona you have to be kidding me this is the most pathetic comment ive ever heard we are talking about the Tijuana Cartel, the Mafia Drugs, power and the Demand of Drugs in the united states this is why there is so much killing in Tijuana. This issue is between the Drug Cartels trying to take over Territories and have more profits so please people stop victimising yourselfs over this issue, stop watching too much tv and start living.
Linda22 still doesn't see the point of the article. It seems obvious to me. The author is telling the readers that TJ is a very dangerous place. It has gun battles between the drug cartels, and assassinations of police and journalists. Kidnapping for ransom is a routine accurrence. And then there are the daily shakedowns of visitors by a) the police, b) those who claim to be police but are not, or c) ordinary street thugs. (A favorite situation is an American college girl, alone, who is detained until she empties her bank account via ATM, and gives the proceeds to her captors, so that she can leave.) Our local mainstream media do not report on that sort of everyday crime because, after all, it is a foreign country and the crime is petty. "Petty" unless you're the victim, when it becomes downright terrifying.
For as long as there has been a Tijuana, it has been a tourist attraction. Visible poverty, foreignness, and the dark side of the place have always been a sort of perverse attraction. It started with illicit boozing, moved on to illicit gambling and illicit sex-for-hire. Nowadays it is all about underage boozing, pharmaceuticals, and "bargains."
But if you're going to visit there, it needs to be done with eyes wide open. No, it's not a Spanish-speaking amusement park, sort of south-of-the-border Magic Kingdom. People will keep visiting there, but in smaller numbers, until the city is really cleaned up--something that may be long in coming.
Go figure.
I too have been scared off by threats and robbery in Tijuana. A once monthly visitor to the border town, I will not set foot on Mexican soil until I am thoroughly assured it is safe again. The last three times I have visited TJ and the surrounding areas, I have been robbed by Police twice, once in broad daylight, once about 50 feet from the turnstiles coming into Mexico. I ended up paying a total of about 220.00 for slipping off of a curb while walking (to avoid a donkey painted as a zebra) and when a couple of "officers" at the border crossing line, believed I had recently solicited sex and drugs from a prostitute. I was in my car coming from a day trip to Puerto Nuevo, with my wife and two friends, we had not even been in TJ that day.
In the Mexican town of Puerto Penasco (Rocky Point) I was drug out of the car and beaten by "policia", peppersprayed, handcuffed and thrown in jail for being in a car that made a u-turn in a parking lot. When a friend of mine asked to pay my bail at the police station, they attempted to negotiate my bail with him for all the money he was carrying(no set price), then told him they would not deal and I'd have to see a judge, threw him in the cell with me, one other American who had also been beaten, and about 30 Mexican men. He was robbed at the business end of a prison shank for about 300.oo dollars, all his money.
I've traveled alot in my life, and Mexico used to be one of my favorite places in the world. Miles of warm water, beautiful beaches, great food, good people(mostly), and fun times. I mean you can surf all day in the sun, eat some of the best homemade food on the planet and relax with a Margarita listening to amazing live mariachi music, all in the same place! Unfortunately, I've seen an escalation in violence against tourists in the last few years, and I hear more and more horror stories coming out of TJ and it's surrounding areas.
It makes me sad to think my days south of the border are over, but who knows what the future holds for Mexico and it's people. My suggestion is to stay away until things maybe get better, but if you cannot, and must go, be careful. Watch yourself, your friends, your money, and your surroundings. Don't keep all your money together, and always carry enough hidden to get home, or pay for a taxi to the border. Don't hassle the locals, the police don't care about your side of the story, and always watch your back.
Today 8-18-08 SD Union Tribune Metro Section...
KFC manager kidnapped, robbed of deposit bag Suspect arrested in death of man attacked in sleep Police set off pipe bomb found outside S.D.Elementry school 16-year-old boy stabbed in attack by three men *Pickup in crash found riddled with bullet holes
Could you imagine what this list would look like if it went back 20 years???
got the date wrong 8-12-08 SDUT Metro
Cepoole offers sage advice when he says, "Don't keep all your money together, and always carry enough hidden to get home, or pay for a taxi to the border." Spread your money out to several pockets -- I usually keep $20-100 hidden in my shoe as emergency for a hotel room, for a taxi back, a soda if the line back in the States is long, and if long, $5-10 for those vans that get you through quicker.
I don't get people like Linda22 and Crossborder Kenn. TJ has serious problems, and they are ready to just blow those problems off because other areas have problems too. That's nonsense.
Crossborder Kenn is even lame enough to shoot the messenger, the writer of the article, rather than concede that there are some pretty horrific things going on in TJ.
The writer has done a good just of documenting the escalating terror using reliable sources. His message is clear--stay out of Mexico if you value your life. A valuable warning for all.
Gosh, I went through all the comments on this piece and didn't see anything from good old fumber until now. His attempt to have the last word(s) are in their usual form. That is, all-lower-case, vaguely punctuated, utterly irrelevant and nonsensical. I suppose the Reader needs his comments to fill things in. It sure would be interesting if he ever said anything with a point.
Thanks, Fumber. Didn't realize it was that simple.
If you've read down this far hopefully I can make it worth your time.
I started dating my wife in 2005 when she was still living in TJ in a neighborhood north of downtown. I crossed the border about twice a week that year. Before then I had visited TJ several times with friends for car stuff, to eat tacos, and of course party on Revolution.
While dating, TJ became a second home city to me. I did all the things a local would do. Go to Playas, Plaza Rio, La Plaza, eating out, etc. Recently, my wife and I went to Cabo San Lucas for our honeymoon, and flew from TJ's airport(go Volaris!). During my time there I've seen the military checkpoints leaving TJ, the cops with slingshots, and have been pulled over twice to solicit bribes(both times I was alone). On a side not always go with them to the station to pay, it's cheaper than a bribe. I guess TJ can be a scary place for the gringo, but for someone who now has family living there, TJ is just a sister city to me.
I agree with the article that too much violence has plagued Tijuana, as it has all of Mexico. But all the charms of Tijuana are still there, and can be enjoyed without looking over your shoulder. If you've had a bad experience, I understand why you don't want to go back. But if you've never been, you have to go at least once to bargain on Revolution(I think they still do that), eat some good tacos(especially fish), drink beer at La Plaza while listening to live Mexican Rock, Walk on the boardwalk at Playas, see a movie while drinking alcohol in reclining leather seats in Cinepolis VIP, or one of the hundreds of other unique activities that make Tijuana so great.
— Michael Hemmingson, My poor mediocre author, did you search well? Or you were just digging the bad part of Tijuana?
Tijuana is a huge city, with beautiful recreation areas and a vastly diverse population. + It is unfair for all of us "the Tijuanenses" to be described as drug dealers, corrupted or prostitutes. You are forgetting about the millions of the habitants who are educated, hard workers and welcome "the Americans".
There is danger in every single part of this world my dear, unfortunately or fortunately you are living in an extremely patriotic country where not everything can be shown or said. Think about it
PD Welcome to Mexico anytime Laura24
We can't sit here and classify TJ as being Mexico. There is more to Mexico than Tijuana. We have to remember that TJ is a border town, in which criminals from all over South America and Europe pass through in order to get to the States. Every border town is crap and filled with crime. TJ doesn't feel like Mexico to me, because of the influence of others and crime they bring. Those of you who do not want to step foot on Mexican soil until the violence subsides, stay out of TJ because it wont change...go to real Mexican cities and vacation spots, such as Puerto Vallarta (aka friendliest city on earth). I personally have never had a bad experience in TJ, I have found myself in awkward areas behind Revolucion where there are many crackheads and prostitutes...that was scary, but then again you don't see me going to Compton here or Skid Row to hang out. Just know where you are going, and if you want to travel to Mexico for that authentic experience, your best bet is going anywhere BUT Tijuana.
street dogs wander the streets looking for a bone; go to TJ and you become a bone head!!!
Wow. Who supports the negativism--is it the developers, who don't want baby boomers buying in Baja? Is it the hotels and tourist attractions in San Diego, who don't want to lose tourist dollars to Baja? All I know is that I live here, I drive back and forth on my own, as a solo woman, twice a week, and I think my quality of life in Baja is far safer and calmer than it ever was in the U.S. Frankly, I watch the San Diego news every night and thank my lucky starts I don't live up there...you guys with your home invasions live on the edge!
I realize that you are probably just another desperate journalist looking to keep your rare-and-getting-rarer job, but isn't the fundamental tenet of journalism to see stories from both sides? There are, still, a few papers that do that...this, it appears, is not one of them.
I was robbed in Tijuana by the police 3 times and that was the end. Last year was in January on Ave. Revolution at 9 am by Cops who stopped me on the street and then threw me in the paddy wagon for having my diabetes medicine with me which I had it in original bottle and Rx for it. They took all I had and left at the la Linea. It cost me $260.00 That was the end of it, Tijuana is a very deadly place, Do not go there period
Johnny Priest San Diego
Hello everybody,
I want to add to these comments that an article like this would actually encourage me to go to such place rather than deter me. I am a 4th Generation Baja California native, a Californio descendant and a Mexican exPat in San Diego, so my ties to my country and this region in particular are strong. My mother still lives there, and so as my soon to be 91 years old grandfather. I even enrolled in a graduate school in Tijuana. Yet the violence wave going on there concerns me as well, nevertheless nothing will stop me by exercising my freedom, especially lowlife burglars or assassins incapable of sustaining themselves differently. But I might be a different kind of breed as I dared to go to Jerusalem the very same day that Arafat was being buried, I dared to walk the streets of Jakarta at night against everybody's advice, even the locals. That doesn't mean that I put myself in danger on purpose, I just try to learn as much as I can from the other culture/location and try to avoid trouble or confrontation while visiting. If you are in a bar in a foreign land it is most likely that you will find more trouble than if you are visiting a foreign college campus (same as at home, right?). Vary rarely I would dare to go to a biker's bar in the states, similarly I wouldn't dare to go to a low life strip club in Tijuana or any place in Mexico
There is no real truth in this matter. However I do recommend visiting the city at least one in a decade, or any place in the "third world" as third world "way of life" is the lifestyle of the majority of the citizens of our planet. It enlightens one on the reality of our world, and unfortunately corrupted officials exist in third world countries and even though they are the minority, their actions put a bad name to the whole of the corporation. I have been stopped by Tijuana police officers for the only reason of driving a car with US licenses plates but since I can defend myself with knowledge I haven't been bothered at all and I wouldn't under any circumstance give money to them.
To be Continued in separate post due to word count limitations…
One fact is that Tijuana does not have many things that are unique any more. The bullfights are almost gone and publicity in California is poor, The Jai Alai is gone for good, the building is now a concert hall. Good restaurants and beaches are obviously still available, but so are they in California. I hope that the "boycott" at least forces my fellow Baja Californians to be creative. It is my belief that long lines at the border are not the reason why people don't visit Baja California, but the lack of attractions is the real reason. The longs lines exist because Baja Californians enjoy the attractions from California, i.e. Seaworld, The Zoo and Wild Animal Park, Dysneyland, Legoland, good infrastructure, good prices and overall variety and safety. People who fly into Can Cun do long lines at airports customs'; people who go to Magic Mountain do long lines to board the attractions, so the long lines are not an excuse.
I find the border area fascinating, two very different cultures separated from one line (and one very ugly fence).
I do encourage San Diegans to visit the city of Tijuana, but to inform them selves first. At least once time every decade or half a decade, especially if you can take your teenage kids with you so they can see a different world from, not only a developed country, but from arguably the strongest and more advanced country in the world. It would be far much better if you take your kids with you when they are 16 or 17 than if they go by them selves at 18, 19 or 20 to get drunk.
Sergio Castro
Well put Mr. Castro. Your post was very informative.
I will post a comment just in case people are still reading these comments.
I went to Tijuana by myself on the 4th of July weekend of 2008. I am a naturalized US citizen. I live in Downey, Ca and went to San Diego That weekend. Once in San Diego, I decided to visit Tijuana for the first time.
Once in Tijuana, I parked my car on a metered spot. When I was about to put money inside, a guy walked by and told me, "you don't have to pay today". I thought that it was very nice on his part. Had it been on this side of the border nobody would have cared. I say that based on my personal experiences here.
Then I went to a park there where I observed some street performers tell jokes. One of them said to the kids watching, "Kids don't do at home what I am about to do here, do it in the streets so you can earn some feria(money)", then every body laughed.
Then I went to the public restroom in the park and to a gas station to fill up the gas tank. No police stopped me.
Ironically, while I was no detained by the Tijuana police, I was detained by the US border patrol for about four hours on my way back. I had my California driver's license with me but the boarder officers wanted proof of citizenship.
crossborder_kenn you need to get informed son, you're misinterpreting statistics even quoting the Fbi who actually have New Orleans, Flint, Baltimore , Detroit and every other US urban area as having FAR LOWER murder rates than TJ. Effectively comparing city centers or tiny suburbs to whole cities is nonsensical.
Thankfully the FBI warn against people like this who manipulate statistics, anyone can play russian dolls with murder rates if one isn't strictly ethical about their use.
Tijuana is a very violent place.
"crossborder_kenn you need to get informed son, you're misinterpreting statistics even quoting the Fbi who actually have New Orleans, Flint, Baltimore , Detroit and every other US urban area as having FAR LOWER murder rates than TJ. Effectively comparing city centers or tiny suburbs to whole cities is nonsensical."
Nope, Carmen, you're comparing apples and oranges. The murder rate here is directly proportional to the drug trade, in terms of the stability of the ruling gangsters that run drugs accross the border. If you want to relate Tijuana's current murder rate to the U.S., then compare it to Chicago when the mob ruled that city during prohibition. Same thing. If you believe statistics from organizations that keep their status according to the level of your fear and others that believe that orinary Tijuanenses are getting their heads chopped off randomly, then you're drinking their Kool-aid.
The murders here are mostly occurring between gansters and cops, or gangsters and gangsters. Tijuana is a very violent place if you're a cop or a gangster. Otherwise, it's as safe, if not safer, than most comparable cities in the U.S., including many parts of San Diego.
I'll venture that the day that the U.S. legalizes drugs is the day that murder rates in Tijuana decline to that equal to if not lower than San Diego's. Twenty billion dollars per year (according to U.S. statistics) would be my wager.
"Tijuana is a very violent place if you're a cop or a gangster. Otherwise, it's as safe, if not safer, than most comparable cities in the U.S., including many parts of San Diego"
Yet amazingly it has a far higher murder rate than all US urban areas.
You're not helping.
Carmen, did you actually read my comment? I've lived here in Tijuana for over seventeen years, raised a family here, and somehow none of us have had our heads chopped off. How did that happen?
Carmen, it is you who are not helping. Get your facts straight.
DRUGS! The U.S. is the consumer. Who, exactly, is helping who?
Refriedgringo, I'm sure the wives and girlfriends whose partners turn up with their heads missing would vouch for your soothing words. Let's not try and bull people about TJ being safer than US cities when you said it wasn't comparable a couple of sentences before.
Likewise, without a supplier there wouldn't be a consumer and the US would be safer as well.
Carmen, put down the Kool-aide and back away from the table. Let's not try and fool people into believing what they see and hear on their network news is the gospel truth. It isn't. In fact, it's a lie if the ratings bring food to the kitchen table. Speaking of which, you need to go back to school and study supply and demand. Demand is not created by supply, it's the other way around. If Mexico had an abundance of duck turds, then my best guess is that there won't necessarily be a spike in demand for them over there. Well, unless you discovered a way to get stoned by smoking them.
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We are a clothing company trying to market to young and middle-aged men who enjoy sport fishing and high quality men's cloths. Our clothing will be targeted to people who don't mind paying for high quality cloths (upscale cloths) and who enjoy the lifestyle of living on the coast. Our cloths are comfortable in hot weather and will reflect the culture of living on the southern Gulf coast region of the United States. An important aspect of the logo is that it will be shown on our label that will be sewn into the clothing.
We want our company logo to have a coastal theme rather than a "beachy" theme. As such we request that the logo to incorporate the Middle Bay Lighthouse that stands in the heart of Mobile Bay, Alabama (do a Google search on "Middle Bay Lighthouse Mobile, AL" and this will allow you to view more images of the lighthouse). I have attached a few images from the internet in the uploaded files.
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INGLEWOOD, Calif. (May 3, 2012)—Grade I winner Teddy's Promise will make her first start since Jan. 28 in the $70,000 Time To Leave Stakes Sunday at Betfair Hollywood Park.
An ungraded race for fillies and mares at five furlongs over Cushion Track, the Time to Leave is the eighth of nine races. Post time is 1 p.m.
Trained by Ron Ellis for owner-breeders Ted and Judy Nichols, Teddy's Promise earned the biggest victory of her career on the final day of 2011. The Salt Lake filly out of the Capote mare Braids and Beads scored a 16-1 surprise in the La Brea Stakes, defeating Sugarinthemorning and eight others.
Rested since finishing fifth in the Grade I Santa Monica more than three months ago, the 4-year-old, who was bred in California, will be looking for her fourth win in six starts at Betfair Hollywood Park.
In her most recent appearance, Teddy's Promise won an optional claimer by a half-length as the 11-10 favorite last Nov. 25. She's won five of 14 lifetime and has a bankroll of $356,808.
Izzy Rules is back in California after having a four race win streak snapped in Arkansas. The 5-year-old daughter of Peace Rules and the Dayjur mare Da Dance finished fifth as the 9-10 choice against males in the Grade III Count Fleet Handicap April 14 at Oaklawn Park.
A winner in her only other race over Cushion Track last Dec. 4, Izzy Rules is 7-for-18 with earnings of $241,806. Jeff Bonde trains for owners George and Mary Clare Schmitt.
The beaten favorite when last seen in the Santa Monica, Rumor returns to a surface where she is 1-for-1. The 4-year-old Indian Charlie filly out of the Deputy Minister mare Mini Chat won an optional claimer here last May 28 for Hall of Fame trainer Richard Mandella.
Owned by Ramona Bass, Claiborne Farm and Adele Dilschneider. Rumor has won four of eight and earned $201,718.
Dawnie Macho will be trying to end a six race losing streak for a partnership that includes Gary and Cecil Barber. Trained by John Sadler, the 4-year-old Macho Uno filly out of the Montbrook mare Blush of Dawn hasn't won since a gate-to-wire score in the Landaluce July 11, 2010 at Betfair Hollywood Park.
The Florida bred has two wins in eight starts and has earned $92,560.
Another Hall of Fame trainer – Bob Baffert – will send out Pink Lollipops for owner Arnold Zetcher. The 4-year-old daughter of Silver Deputy comes off a half-length win as the 2-5 favorite in an optional claimer April 14 at Santa Anita.
Out of the Private Terms mare Christmas Rose, Pink Lollipops is 2-for-5 with a bankroll of $80,630. This will be her first start at Betfair Hollywood Park.
Excellent News will be making her initial appearance since being claimed for $62,500 by Hall of Fame trainer Ron McAnally for his wife Debbie.
A 5-year-old daughter of Rahy and the El Baba mare Mstoyou, Excellent News has four wins in 18 races and earnings of $221,874. Three of her victories have come over Cushion Track.
Away for nearly 11 months, Candy's Pleasure will be trying to better a fifth place finish in the inaugural Time To Leave May 1, 2011.
Owned by Evelyn Ungaro and trainer Marcelo Polanco, Candy's Pleasure is 3-for-18 with earnings of $91,161. She is 0-for-5 over Cushion Track.
From inside out, the field for the Time To Leave Stakes: Teddy's Promise, Victor Espinoza rides, 124 pounds; Pink Lollipops, Joe Talamo, 120; Excellent News, Eswan Flores, 118; Candy's Pleasure, Patrick Valenzuela, 118; Izzy Rules, Edwin Maldonado, 124; Rumor, Garrett Gomez, 120 and Dawnie Macho, Joel Rosario, 118.
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Early on the morning of February 22, 2013, the Visible Infrared Imaging Radiometer Suite (VIIRS) on the Suomi NPP satellite captured this nighttime view of heavy snow over the United States.
In many towns and cities across the Great Plains, more than a foot (30 centimeters) of snow fell. Kansas bore the brunt of the storm, with as much as 22 inches (56 centimeters) falling in the town of Russell.
The day-night band takes advantage of moonlight, airglow (the atmosphere's self-illumination through chemical reactions), zodiacal light (sunlight scattered by interplanetary dust), and starlight from the Milky Way. By using these dim light sources, the day-night band can detect changes in clouds, snow cover, and sea ice. When the image was acquired, the moon was in its waxing gibbous phase, meaning it was more than half-lit, but less than full.
Chicago Tribune. (2013, Feb. 22) Major snowstorm headed for New England. Accessed Feb. 22, 2013.
Earth Observatory. (2012, Dec. 5) Out of the Blue and Into the Black.
NOAA. (2013, Feb. 22) Storm Summary. Accessed Feb. 22, 2013.
NASA Earth Observatory image by Jesse Allen and Robert Simmon, using VIIRS day-night band data from the Suomi National Polar-orbiting Partnership. Suomi NPP is the result of a partnership between NASA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and the Department of Defense. Caption by Adam Voiland.
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Making Holiday Cards from the Recycling Bin
The idea of making your own holiday cards is a good one and usually turns into a labor of love. This story is no different except it has an eco friendly twist. Can you tell what these rectangles of paper used to be? Find out where they started and how they ended up
I ran across this fun idea over at Flickr which lead me to the blog If Sew, where Andrew and Shannon share with us their holiday card making experience. They cut up paper grocery sacks and printed on them with a Gocco, though you could always use a cool stamp or two!
They even went as far as to make envelopes from the same holiday shopping bags and slid their season's greetings right inside. It's a great way to spend just a little and have a touch of handmade without spending a fortune. Check out their full post on the adventure over at If Sew.
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by Marius665 » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:22 pmHello everyone.
I wanted to discuss the Young Avengers by Allan Heinberg, their creator. There was something that has always been on my mind ever since I read the first volume, and that's the Avengers Fail-Safe Program. I don't think it is something that Marvel has explained ever since the first volume, according to my own knowledge and research. Now, before I start analyzing (yes that word has anal in it), I want to let you all know that there will be SPOILERS for the Young Avengers and possibly other Marvel titles as well.
So let's start with Iron Lad, who is a young teen version of Kang the Conquer from the year 3016. Now Iron Lad, Nathaniel Richards, comes to our time as his future adult self, Kang, urges him to become a ruler at a younger age. Iron Lad refuses and sends himself to our present time seeking the Avengers for aid. Now at this point at Marvel Comics writer, Brian Bendis, had disassembled the Avengers and they were no longer a team. So with that being said, in the comics Iron Lad in fact doesn't find the Avengers team, only a destroyed and abandoned Avengers Mansion. While investigating, he stumbles across the dismantled remains of the Vision and uploads the Vision's digital memories into his suit. By doing this, he finds the Avengers Fail-Safe Program, a program to locate the next generation of Avengers in case the team was ever destroyed. Next we see a few recruits gathered by Iron Lad, so let's take a look at them.
Wiccan/William Kaplan – A young mutant who has the ability to cast spells. We later discover that he is in fact the reincarnated son of the Scarlet Witch and the original Vision.
Patriot/Elijah Bradley – The non-powered grandson of super-soldier Isaiah Bradley, the original Captain America. We learn that Iron Lad was originally looking for Josiah X, who we haven't seen since the cancelation of The Crew by Christopher Priest. Patriot informs Iron Lad that Josiah X has been in fact missing for some time.
Hulking/Theodore Altman – Teddy is a shape-shifter and huge fan of the Incredible Hulk. We later find out that he is the son of Kree hero Captain Mar-Vell and the Skrull Princess Anelle, making him the only hybrid of two fighting cosmic empires. By being the son of Captain Mar-Vell, this also makes him a sibling to Genis-Vell and also Phyla-Vell.
Shortly after the team is formed we're shown, Stature/Cassandra Lang, daughter to the second Ant-Man, Scott Lang, who finds them and requests to join as she feels that she "is" a Young Avenger. Midway through the first volume, Hulking, is captured and Iron Lad turns on the Avengers Fail-Safe program to add another member to their team for assistance. We're introduced to Speed/Thomas Shepard. Speed is the identical twin brother of Wiccan and also son of the Scarlet Witch and the original Vision.
Now, when Iron Lad turns on the Avengers Fail-Safe Program to find possible recruits, we're shown a digital map of North America with location spots as well as names. Here are those names;
Theodore Altman
Elijah Bradley
Matthew Bronleewe
Todd Casey
Richard Chung
Anissa Dorsey
William Kaplan
Perry Moore
Robin Parrish
A few of those names are already on the team, so we know who they are. But who are all of the others? To my understanding, the AFSP (Avengers Fail-Safe Program), finds the next generation of Avengers, so kids and teenagers is safe to assume. Now all of these characters have some kind of ties to the original Avengers, before Bendis disassembled the team, in some kind of way. But why can't they find Josiah X if Iron Lad was looking for him indicating that he was at one point on that list of recruits in North America? Why wasn't Cassandra Lang on the list? Outside of Hulking, Wiccan, and Patriot, we have yet to see any of the other characters. If the Vision had the AFSP, why didn't he go and find his sons? And when Captain America and Iron Man found out about the AFSP after Iron Lad told them about it, why didn't they find these kids?
The classic Avengers roster, before New/Mighty/Dark Avengers, had 71 members. I took some time to research who else at the time would have been possible recruits and I found a few. Rachel Carpenter, daughter to Julia Carpenter, better known as the second Spider-Woman. Luna Maximoff, daughter to the Inhuman Crystal and mutant Quicksilver.
So where did the AFSP come from? Did the Vision create it? And how would he know the secret details of all of these kids? Why did he keep it a secret from his teammates?
Years have passed since the first volume of Young Avengers and a lot of new characters have been introduced. For example, Carmilla Black/Scorpion, who was highly suggested to be the daughter of Bruce Banner/Hulk and A.I.M. Scientist Supreme, Monica Rappaccini, but this has yet to be confirmed. Speaking of the Hulk, he has two sons named Skaar and Hiro-Kala who were introduced a few years ago, as well as Lyra, his daughter from the future whose mother is Thundra. With Wolverine being a member since the New Avengers formed we have other possible recruits such as his clone X-23, and his two sons Erista and Daken. All though I'm not 100% sure on Daken's true age since he does have a healing factor. William Nelson, son of Tigra and the Skrull Criti Noll, who was posing as Hank Pym. Marvel has confirmed that William is in fact Pym's child as Skrulls shape shift down to a genetic level. And with Luke Cage joining the New Avengers, we now have his daughter with Jessica Jones, Danielle Cage.
The AFSP hasn't been mentioned since volume one of Young Avengers. But we have been introduced to the Caterpillar Files, a program created by Nick Fury Sr. The Caterpillar Files are a list of young individuals who have powers and have some form of a connection to villains and random characters. Almost like a reverse AFSP! Let's take a look at Fury's recruits for his Secret Warriors.
Quake/Daisy Johnson – Daughter of Mister Hyde who has the ability to create earthquake-like vibrations.
Druid/Sebastian Druid – Son to the once Avenger, Dr. Druid. Sebastian inherited his father's abilities to cast spells.
Hellfire/J.T. James – Grandson to the Phantom Rider, Lincoln Slade. He has the ability to charge objects and release them.
Phobos/Alexander Aaron – Son to the god of war, Ares. Phobos has the ability to create fear in others.
Manifold/Eden Fesi – A mutant under the care of Gateway, who has similar abilities of teleportation. Eden and Gateways connection has yet to be explained but keep in mind that Gateway is the grandfather to the X-Men Bishop and Shard.
Slingshot/Yo-Yo Rodriguez – Daughter to the Griffin. Yo-Yo is a speedster who can bounce back to the point that she began running.
Stonewall/Jerry Sledge – Son to the Absorbing Man. He has the ability to increase his size as well as changing the composition of his body.
Layla Miller/Butterfly – I don't even know what this girls powers are. She can reverse the abilities of the Scarlet Witch. Resurrect the dead. Now we don't know who her parents are, but when Nick Fury Sr. sent out Quake to recruit the team, you can see that they are all connected to someone in the Marvel Universe.
So we have the AFSP with young characters that all have ties to the Avengers and it was created by the original Vision. And then we also have the Caterpillar Files that have young characters that have ties to villains in the Marvel Universe and it was created by Nick Fury Sr. I don't understand why now one has made a connection between the two or have written further stories with both programs together. Like how did Fury find these children? How did he know about them? Same goes for the Vision, how did he know about the Young Avengers?
These are just a few questions I've asked myself while I was reading Young Avengers and Secret Warriors. I would love for someone to write about this and give us any detailed explanation rather than leaving us with all these questions. Maybe one day!
Well, thanks for reading. Hope you enjoyed it all!
by contramundi » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:20 pmsince they are constantly creating new characters after the story,the list of potential candidates grows,but nicely done man,i do wish they adressed it tho
by Pink_Orchid » Wed Feb 26, 2014 4:56 pmIf Marvel is anything like DC, writer's create characters that are never mentioned or seen again. Or if they are brought up again the next writer changes their origins anyway.
I can't believe no current writer at Marvel has brought up Josiah X, reading his history he seems like a good fit for Marvel Now.
by Marius665 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:07 pm
thanks brother! I highly agree and appreciate the kind words.
Ha! So true! No one respects what came before them. This is why Xorn is all jacked up!
I'm really shocked Brubaker didn't bring him in when he was writing Cap. So much potential there and yet now one is even looking for him. Kinda like when Echo disappeared after Secret Invasion, and no one on New Avengers was even concerned. I remember like one panel where they say they couldn't get a hold of her and that's it.
by Draco x » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:09 pm
Wasn't Echo killed off in that god-awful Bendis written Moon Knight series if I recall?
by Marius665 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:45 pm
After she disappeared in Secret Invasion, no one used her for a few years and then she comes back in Moon Knight by Bendis and he kills her off. I was pretty pissed!
I love Echo the way you guys like Spoiler and BlackBat over at DC. Characters with so much potential and yet no one uses them. It's annoying.
by Strict31 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:24 pmMarvel spent so much time trying to keep their hands off the YAs in the hopes that Heinberg would eventually return that they probably didn't remember half of the shit her wrote into that book. And maybe it was just one of the things Heinberg never had the time to plan.
I really enjoyed the book when it first came out, but in hindsight, it's like he was writing by the seat of his pants without much of a long-term plan.
I do like the fact that Marvel has been attempting to create new characters, and Heinberg gave them a great opportunity to do some DC-flavored legacy-building. But while it's hardly the first time Marvel's tried their hand at legacy characters, it's something they don't do very well. Even when they put the necessary effort into such characters like Genis-Vell or namorita, they just end up running off the rails somehow.
They really waited on Heinberg too long with the Young Avengers.
by Marius665 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:34 pm
I agree that they waited way too long for Heinberg to come back. We should have had a YA ongoing right after volume one.
I've liked all of the appearances of the team, Young Avengers Presents, Secret Invasion: Runaways/Young Avenger, Civil War: Young Avengers & Runaways, Dark Reign: Young Avengers and even Avengers: The Children's Crusade.
With the original Vision back now, what we need is someone to write a story where we learn more about the origins of the team and its members as well as their connections to everyone. Someone to continue on what Heinberg was going for.
by Marius665 » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:06 pmNamor/Namor McKenzie has a few connections. His two sons; Kamar and Lyron, and his two cousins; Namorita and Namora.
There are two young teams of villains, the Young Masters and Bastards of Evil.
As well as a few other young characters that have ties to villains.
Cole, daughter to the Wizard
Bentley, clone son to the Wizard
Excavator, son to Piledriver
Finess, possible daughter to Taskmaster
Executioner, son to Princess Python
Victor Mancha, son to Ultron
Silver Samurai/Shingen Harada, son to the original Silver Samurai/Kenuichio Harada
Ana Kravinoff, daughter to Kraven the Hunter
Trauma, son to Nightmare
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