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|View Poll Results: Kanon 2006 Total Series Rating
|Perfect 10
|9 out of 10 : Excellent
|8 out of 10 : Very Good
|7 out of 10 : Good
|6 out of 10 : Average
|5 out of 10 : Below Average
|4 out of 10 : Poor
|3 out of 10 : Bad
|2 out of 10 : Very Bad
|1 out of 10 : Painful
|Voters: 449. You may not vote on this poll
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|2007-03-19, 19:00
|Link #21
Pilot in Training
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Earth
I just finished, at episode 23 I am thinking, well he got 3 for 5 on helping people. Not really a romance except for some parts(He never really ended up with anyone). So hes at a 4 outta 5 on helping, and I guess a 5 outta 5 if you consider making fox girl's last moments happy.
I have a question. So the Ayu through out the show, was an "out of body, body" type thing that she thought was a dream?
Overall sad untill the end. Only one girl died. Saved the suicidal sick girl, the crazy suicidal demon slayer, the depressed cousin, and the comatose girl. Too bad for the fox girl.
And for those saying the ending was not realistic...there was a fox girl, a ghost girl, and a demon slayer...ending fits perfectly.
|2007-03-19, 19:23
|Link #22
The Romanticism
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: San Jose, CA
Age: 31
10/10 -- I suppose a perfect 10 would mean the series was the best thing I've ever seen, but no that is not the case. This series could have been better in my eyes, but you know what? Therein is a fact of life; No series should ever really be perfect for you because you have your own unique set of likes and dislikes. Comprimising to be liked among a broader audience (yes, there are 5 girls), I believe Kanon is perfect at what it is.
I personally would have liked more exaggeratation of emotions (as in, more drama) esspecially in those last episodes, but see, this is not about what I want. I still loved watching this series very much though!
|2007-03-19, 19:41
|Link #23
Somehow I found out
Join Date: Feb 2006
Age: 34
If people have yet to see all 24 episodes of the series, they shouldn't be commenting in this thread, as per the rules that have been laid down in the OP. I don't see how people can (or should) be making any speculations or forming judgements on a partial viewing of the show when this thread is supposed to be a discussion of impressions/opinions formed on all 24 eps. Sorry about playing the wannabe mod, but that's a pet hate of mine.
Anyway, I figure a few people have already read my review, but I've given it a very strong "8". It's an outstanding series, and most of the flaws are really only minor. It's a series that demands a really fine analysis to properly form a judgement of it, since (like many of KyoAni's works) much of the devil is in the details. Much of the character development comes out of little character interactions that seem unimportant at the time but actually make quite profound commentaries on the characters, and much of the plot is propelled by little gestures from the characters that just say big things (Mai taking her mom to the "zoo" was one of the biggest examples of that).
The technical aspects of the show were amazing. I wanted to discuss the seiyuu in my review, but it was already well-and-truly long enough as it was, but the cast was fantastic and there were outstanding performances all round, particularly from Kawasumi Ayako (who I think has seriously matured and come into her own over the last couple of years), Horie Yui and particularly Sugita Tomokazu. The directing was beyond reproach... I rank Ishihara along with Shinbo as my two favourite TV-show directors at the moment. And "Last Regrets" has become my most-listened-to song over the last few weeks.
The only significant criticism I have of the series is that the final episode lacked dramatic tension, but as a conclusion it worked decently enough, and I think most people have already pointed out both its boons and banes, so I won't go over it. Overall, loved the story, loved the characters, will desperately miss the anime. It won't make my top ten list, but I won't be forgetting it any time soon.
|2007-03-19, 21:58
|Link #24
I have considered a LOT of written text and plot synopsis, review summaries of episodes on the show, clips of important scenes and the shows overall course and I am dead certain that 7/10 will be my final score. I've considered a lot more than those people who vote for an episode before it even airs. If I didn't know exactly what was going to happen in each coming episode right down to the minute I wouldn't be giving a final score and its more than just a gut feeling that I'm basing it on. The only thing that would change that is if the animation somehow tanks in which case it would go a bit lower, but I don't think thats going to happen with Kyoto Animation at the helm and from the clips I've seen it hasn't at all. So I hope this follow up to my original post has helped to explain for everybody my reasons for giving the score now.
Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2007-03-19 at 22:28.
|2007-03-19, 22:44
|Link #26
Join Date: Dec 2003
Age: 36
You're putting the cart before the horse; you enjoy arguing about anime more than you enjoy anime itself. Your loss, IMO.
|2007-03-19, 22:58
|Link #27
Senior Member
Alas, I have to spread my cookies around before offering you one.
|2007-03-19, 23:01
|Link #28
Dansa med oss
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Near Cincinnati, OH, but actually in Kentucky
Age: 30
I think the reason that Kaioshin is having problems getting along with everyone (actually, it's probably the other way around) is because Kanon is quite unique in the fact that it's all about the experience, not the finale - the journey is more important than the destination, if you will. Naturally, not having actually watched it, he can't factor this into his opinion at the moment.
This anime version was my first experience with anything related to KEY (never even heard of them until this show was announced), so maybe one of the Kanon veterans can corroborate my claim.
So, I think that under normal circumstances, Kaioshin would probably be just fine in making forming his opinions before actually seeing the show (lord knows I've done it with stuff like Mai-[whatever], Fate/Stay Night, Naruto, and others without ever actually watching it) provided that, upon viewing, he doesn't necessarily change his opinion but at least reevaluates and reconsiders it and remains open to the possibility of it changing.
|2007-03-19, 23:32
|Link #29
Anime Snark
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 35
Man, writing my post is taking longer than I expected. The Yuuichi section alone is over 500 words... I think it is starting to turn into a pseudo-Wiki article. I don't think I can post it today...
(I had planned to complete it by Friday, which was when I expected this thread to be formed, so yeah... I got caught with my pants down when this thread got created so early.)
My thoughts are still in a frenzied whirl, and my tentative score is 8. I won't vote it yet since I need to write everything down and evaluate my own opinions become drawing a final conclusion.
|2007-03-19, 23:34
|Link #30
Join Date: Dec 2003
Age: 36
But, secondly, and changing gears completely, everyone forms first impressions based on superficial factors -- it's hard-wired into our human DNA. And sometimes we have no motivation to look beyond our first impression, and just stick with that gut feel no matter what. That's fine. But you can't pretend or argue that a superficial impression is the same as knowing and understanding something deeply. You can't pass it off as being equivalent in any way. If so, then, as I said above, you're not really "experiencing" the story any more deeply than as a summary and an opinion. That's what talking about anime is about, but that's not what anime (or any form of storytelling) is about.
Anyway, this is why I have a hard time coming up with some sort of a numerical score for a show, this one included. In the end, for me, it just comes down to a simple question: would I want to experience that story again? For this show, the answer is a definite yes. That's why I just can't imagine how someone could form a comprehensive opinion and defend it without ever having seen the show. A story is so much more than the sum of its parts.
|2007-03-19, 23:39
|Link #31
Waiting for more taiyuki!
Join Date: Jan 2004
But stiil one should have at least experienced it in its entirety before rating the series as a whole imo.
This does imply that you've seen it imo.
This series was a bit difficult for 1st timers imo, especially with 3 Ayus to account for and Me-Uguu Elixir. But that deux ex machina maneuver just illustrates how difficult it was to pull all those paths together. (Kudos to Kyo-ani for pulling that feat off.) There was also the leap that we had to take to accept finding an intact hairband in a forest after 7 years, but that was another "miracle" I guess.
Makoto took too long and by the end of her arc I wasn't that sympathetic since I just wanted the series to move on fearing that somebody would get shafted in the plot department otherwise. The decreased amount of blood in the Mai arc was disappointing.
The seiyuus were great. The animation was great. The original scenes and episodes meshed in nicely with game based ones.
Now only thing I want is to see Ayu with long hair, eyes open and in better clothes.
|2007-03-19, 23:46
|Link #32
Anime Snark
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 35
Another convert to the Kanon story. Jaalin was initially one of the harshest critics of Kanon, but he is now appreciative of it.
Hehe, a real-life example of how the difference between first impressions and actual experience can matter a lot.
On a semi-related note, Nayuki won the Random Curiosity poll. It was a close fight with Mai, 21% and 20% respectively, but Nayuki pulled ahead by a couple of votes.
Ayu is 3rd with 14%, Shiori at 8%, and Makoto at 5%. Only 25% of the voters never saw Kanon, which implies that 75% of RC's readership watches Kanon.
|2007-03-20, 00:28
|Link #33
Yes I am a very different breed than most anime fans, but I don't think its that I like to argue as much as my ideologies tend to clash by default and seem abrasive, arrogant and insulting to the average viewer who has never seen anything like it before. In that sense I will always be the subject of outrage among some people, but I've done nothing more than give my two cents and attach a meaningless number to it with no intention of arguing so that accusation is unfair I think. I like to think though at the end of it all, like the politicians of old who liked to address their opinion by day in the forums and receive fair rebuttal and reply, we can all find common ground over constructive discussion in these threads.
To finalize it, even if I spend my whole time looking at the screen as the bar on my media player goes from left to right, the result will invariably be the same. It's not that I'm lazy, it's that I feel it would just be redundant. And that's really that from me, FatPianoBoy has it perfectly down on where I stand.
This isn't meant to be a thread hijack as some will no doubt call it, but if people ask the questions or bring up the subject, I'll provide the answers I can everytime for all to see.
Just as an aside if you ever want to talk about politics of any kind with me, don't hesitate for a second to send me a PM about any political topic.
Now everybody can cast their vote again without worry I hope.
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|2007-03-20, 00:57
|Link #34
lol whut?
I gave it a 7.
Well, I'm looking at it from a rather subjective view (is there such a thing as an objective impression?). Strictly focusing on the story, Kanon was doomed from the start, since it suffers from the unfortunate fate of following a harem plotline.
It is inevitable that we all have our "favorite girl" and by the time Ayu's arc comes around the corner, the emotional impact is almost nonexistent. There's a sense that each girl is "cheated" because Yuuichi never did love them; instead, he enters into these relationships almost as sympathetic plights rather than romantic affairs. Needless to say, Yuuichi resets everytime a girl's arc ends, as if he were rushed by the urgency to get to that last girl and the ultimate prize. The game has different routes for a purpose: they are not to be mixed and meshed and each girl is to receive a portion of the protagonist's love. Of course, this is strictly speaking from a personal bias against the Ayu ending, since I personally feel no attachment to her character.
Really, KyotoAnimation has the talent to pull of witty quirks and parodies. Instead of trying to pull off the feat of producing a GOOD Harem (oxymoron, anyone?) they should return to what they do best: satire.
|2007-03-20, 01:47
|Link #35
Animation Quality: 10
I think this needs no explaining... It's KyoAni after all
Characters: 9
Although they fall into your typical category (Sickly girl, cousin, tsundere, loli etc), Kanon managed to mould their characters very well, making them very different from other typical harem characters. Instead of the typical cousin-who-has-a-crush-on-main-character build, Kanon managed to make Nayuki interesting by adding in her oversleeping problems. Although they may seem very steoreotypical from the start, once Kanon begins to develope them, they start to shine. Definitely a plus point IMO. The only complaint I have is that some characters seem to be forgotten once their respective arcs are over (like Amano for instance), but seeing that this is a VN adaptation after all, I don't think KyoAni could have done much about it either.
Voice Actors: 10
I liked how KyoAni scripted Tomokazu Sugita as Yuuichi's VA, especially his sarcastic remarks that reminded me of Kyon. I also liked Ayu's "Uguu~" (Yui Horie!!), Nayuki's slower-than-usual responses, and Kitagawa ;P I think there's no reason to give it any less than a 10.
Script: 8
I liked Shiori's arc the best, but the others weren't too bad either. Mai's arc managed to be semi-tragic yet exciting at the same time (Shinjin... Sorry, demonic battles, anyone?), while Makoto's arc was just plain tragic. That said, I feel that Nayuki didn't get enough attention (not that I'm blaming KyoAni or anything, since Kanon is a VN adaptation after all), and I just plain disliked the ending (It sorta diluted Shiori's arc for me). IMO they would have been better off ending at 23, but maybe that's just me
Adaptation from Game: N/A
I haven't played the game before, so I don't think it's fair for me to give it a score, but based on what people have said around here, it seems that it was managed very well, especially the last episode. I'll just refrain from giving this a score
Music: 9
I really, REALLY liked the way they played Canon in D three times throughout the show. If you noticed, they played the song during episodes 1, 13 and 24, which are the beginning, midpoint and ending respectively. Coincidence? I think not ;P One more thing about the music is, having played EFZ, I recognized some of them (i/e: Character Select Screen) even without playing the Kanon game or watched the Toei version, which was definitely a plus for me.
AIR references (Peach-train, book store, rice shop etc.) +1
Final Rating: 8/10
Kanon was one of those shows which started off as a very typical drama/harem show, but quickly grew beyond that. It managed a skillful blend of drama, comedy (that dance scene was brilliant ) and tragedy. Although some supporting characters seem to be forgotten once their arcs were over, Kyoani managed to remind us of the other main characters from time to time (Makoto's bells in Yuuichi's drawer, Yuuichi's reference about Mai and Snow bunnies when Nayuki asked him about them etc.), and that's something I greatly appreciate. Although I still can't really get over the ending (Would have been a 9/10 if it ended at 23), I'll admit that Kanon was one great anime, and as such rightfully deserves an 8/10.
|2007-03-20, 02:23
|Link #36
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 61
I will seriously never comprehend how someone having a "favorite character" prevents their being able to appreciate and be fond of other characters, especially when the story *needs* those interlocking relationships to work.
Calling Kanon a "harem anime" is kind of like calling The Diary of Anne Frank a "nazi story" ... well... yes.. and no, not really. Simple labels or rote categorization usually undervalue a story. I mean, Deathnote is just a detective story with a few monsters, eh?
But yes, I'm very anxious to see Lucky*Star and hopefully more satirical Haruhi...
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|2007-03-20, 02:31
|Link #37
~Night of Gales~
Join Date: Dec 2005
Overall, I'd say it's around 6.5 or 7 out of 10 for me.
To me, I'd say the most appealing thing to me about Kanon was the story of Yuuichi's journey. It wasn't so much about the girls in particular for me, but rather how a boy's insight and personal life revolves around the things he's involved in. The ambivient theme of miracles was also semi-beautiful on several levels, but at the same time, it doesn't have the same rigidness shown by the Makoto arc and Shiori's words in the finale, about it. I would've liked it better had it not relied so much on the bottle-breaker for character developments, but whatever.
Sadly, Kanon just somehow lacks the something-in-the-anime that grabs me personally. It's a good show overall, but it doesn't have what one call the ONE reason you'd watch crap for, just like how some people watch crappy shows for their favourite seiyuu or watch crap just because there's several sakuga-animators they love in particular episodes. The closest was probably Kuze and first episode's Kaori, and his role was only being the realistic underminer of Mai, in which he technically vanishes soon after, and I didn't feel so much attached to Kaori after episode 1, for whatever reason.
To be completely honest, I'm torn on the characters of Kanon. Aside from Makoto, most of the girl's character development was heavily reliant on shock-bottle development, where revelations of issues occuring in the past and present ignites and peels off the layers of their character by the whole shell. Well, Makoto had that as well, but it was really more on Yuuichi than her, so hers was fine as the layers of how she percieved Yuuichi as an important person to her was poignantly beautiful. I'm not saying that Kanon characters are bad by any means, but their developmental triggers in my opinion wasn't as good as it could've been. The character arcs itself made it worse since some girls get shafted following their conclusion.Yuuichi on the other hand, was solidly developed. The good thing about it was that his journey through each girl's arc didn't pull any major changes, but rather a subtle execution to how he treated the girls each in particular following what transpired before him.
The plot of Kanon...frankly, was mostly predictable for me. Aside from Mai, I've pretty much guessed what each girl's particular unique traits were. However, it was the execution that made it good. The overall feel of the approach, followed by the solid visual directing with the good use of background imagery and character shots alongside good integration of the music during key moments made it feel more emotional than how it would on paper. The Makoto arc, personally was my favourite because the arc composition had the grim feeling alongside a proper flow of the mood, and a fitting finale to her story. In comparison, other girl's story arc, while good had several weak points in their overall transition and execution in my opinion. There were weak aspects I found with the overall composition, and several directional approach from a visual standpoint like Akiko's crash scene, and the pace-upped transition to the more sombre mood in the end, but they're acceptable. Though frankly, I wish Kanon did something with the ending song at times, especially when the episode ends in a semi-moody feel and came with the bright peepy feel. The Makoto arc's ending did it well with the integration, but not so much on the other parts. Frankly, some directional executions could've been more impactful music-wise had they do something like Gundam SEED's ED1, where the ED song played early, or was half-accompanied by instrumental to bridge the final scene with the ED.
The technical aspects of Kanon, on it's own sense were good. There were times I wish they could'v improved on the background for a balanced consistency, but it's not like they're bad, so it's a minor thing.
In the end, I'd say Kanon was a pretty good watch. Nothing outstanding or epic, but it's a worthy title in the libraries of drama animation.
|2007-03-20, 02:39
|Link #38
Bemused Scholar
Join Date: Jan 2007
Age: 30
The term "harem" seems to have been diluted so much that I've pretty much seen it slapped onto any show with a male protagonist where the number of female characters outnumber the male characters (with the opposite being called, of course, a "reverse harem"). I honestly don't see any meaning in the term anymore.
But hey, I can understand it if some people just don't like any show that can be classified under "harem". I have a similar problem with mecha, meh...
|2007-03-20, 03:01
|Link #39
For me something falls under the term Mecha when there is a piece of machinery or technology a chararacter uses for various purposes that they can fit inside. So Tekkaman Blade falls under that heading as does Macross and Kyoshiro To Towa Sora.
@Nightengale: I kind of had the Seed vibe with the ending of the episodes sort of segueing into the ending theme, though it didn't do it as well as Gundam Seed or Shakugan No Shana did since its more of an abrupt cut without a lead out than a clear segue.
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Orange has set the cat among the dongles with the UK's lowest mobile broadband pay-monthly tariff. For £4.89 ($8.29/€5.75), Orange's Internet Everywhere serve provides the firm's existing pay monthly, pay-as-you-go and home broadband customers with a 500Mb per month download cap and connection speeds of up to 3.6Mb/s. …
Sorry, I'd eat 500MB in one day, might be cheap, but for hardcore surfers it's not a good package
... only Orange could talk to people like Apple and Palm and ... about MID and superphone deals?
Otherwise this would be good news.
I left Orange for T-Mobile in 2006 telling them that paying £4 / MB was a tad excessive when I could pay £5.63 (including 25% discount) for "unlimited". Nice to see they've caught up.
"Subscribers to the contract – which carries an 18 month term"
18 months contract on something ever changing like mobile broadband. I don't think so..
What happened to 12 month contracts being the norm, people seem to have accepted far too many of these 18 month contracts with telephone companies.
...you could just tether your mobile phone to your laptop and keep your existing data rate. What's that? Your iPhone/gPhone/LatestPOSFromAmerica doesn't let you do that? Oh dear.
Three do a 1GB cap for a tenner, or a whopping 15GB cap for £15.
Assuming you're in coverage, anyways :-)
Three offered its existing customers 1GB (i.e. twice what Orange is offering) for £5 (before VAT reduction) a month, 18-month contract and free dongle, MORE THAN A YEAR AGO. Please don't just regurgitate press releases without doing some research. (I have no affiliation with any provider, by the way.)
At least it's qualified as connection speed as otherwise I'd rant on about how it's almost impossible to get anywhere near the quoted speeds on 3G, especially if you're moving more than 0.1mph.
So, when are Orange going to cut their US roaming data rates though? Come on. £8 per MB !!
I like WAR, especially when its a PRICE WAR...
Now if only VODA would take the bate we could start to see popper mobile internet at a reasonable price..
Shame about the TILL THE END OF TIME contract lengths...
Paris - cus she's never going cheap..
So, they've declared war? What with, a glove puppet? what the hell is so good about this "offer" - it's practically a match for Vodafone's current 3G access/bandwidth offers - and it still doesn't even come close to Virgin's exceptional offers either.
Colour me singularly unimpressed.
It all seems rather expensive.
The Irish versions of the UK operators have been offering cheaper mobile broadband services for a long time now.
Vodafone €19.99 for 5GB/month (12month contract)
O2 €19.99 for 10GB/month (18 month Contract)
3, €19.99 for 15GB/month (12month contract)
Pay as you go options available too.
It's mobile broadband so it's inherently a bit shit anyway.
Can't help think that Vodaphones £15 for 1gb which never expires would work out cheaper for most light users that paying a fiver every month.
Well done, Orange.
Oh, and well done for avoiding the word/phrase/construct "unlimited*".
No Linux, and it goes for the NB300, the lowest rating of the new series. It could go for the NB200, run Ubuntu and lower the cost further still and sell even more units.
The companies have to push Linux; it is not worth the effort of making a Linux machine and then putting it on the shelf, finally removing them because nobody bought any - they have to push them ... no one is going to buy something tha they don't know is there.
I sometimes use a iphone 3g o2 sim in a 02 payg dongle and i get internet for free.
Also as I only have adsl i can sometimes get the internet faster than my 2mb ( upto 8mb aol) home phone line does lol. on the Dongle
But then again its very rare i can get a Decent mobile signal in my home for just voice let alone data and thats been like it on 3, t-mobile and o2 so thanks.
I must have a lead lined bungalow arghhh
Looking for enough money to move to a Country thats got a decent internet speed LOL
"Rival network operator O2 already sends its customers an SMS when they're getting close to their download limits."
Not to me, they didn't. Ok, I didn't go very far over my limit, but warning SMS? Not a sausage.
Is there any place in the World where 3G/HSDPA access is available without monthly bandwidth limit?
The speed would be sufficient to make it a replacement for ADSL or cable.
Last month data charges on top of allowance came in at nearly a ton.. no warning, no price cap..
When did this supposedly come in?
um...colour me slightly confused by "provides customers with unlimited mobile broadband usage ... in addition to a 1GB, 3GB or 10GB monthly download cap.".
hmm...unlimited usage with a cap. Clearly either "unlimited" or "cap" are defined slightly differently than normal- so, being an optimist, I'm assuming that you get a baseball cap with a choice of logo - mines the one with the "10gb" on it :)
Why "existing customers" if pay-as-you-go counts? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't you just get a free SIM, stick a bit of credit on it and never use it again?
@ Darren 4 - I'd like to see you eat 500MB in a year with the crappy speeds and connectivity I seem to get on mobile broadband.
@ zxcvbnm - yes, the Vodaphone deal is definitely the cheapest option for most users.
If their existing pricing structure wasn't so retarded, they wouldn't need this crap. Just charge a £5-£10/mo "usage fee", then £0.10/GB for any and all data. problem solved. Punitive rates for going above your cap are stupid. Caps are stupid. Regardless of what ISPs keep saying, Internet is like electricity: You should pay for what you use, and at a fixed rate none-the-less.
I had the phone line down, last weekend. A cable fault. Luckily the BT Outreach engineer could get to it. Just stuck a spare PAYG SIM (I'd picked it up free from Tesco) in an old mobile, and did a top-up at the village shop. We were covered.
If BT had been forced to replace underground cable, I would have been looking for a cheap mobile broadband. I'm not sure any of these deals really suit that sort of occasional use. Vodafone? It's starting to look tempting as a backup.
Anyone tried using it with Linux? Some of these beasts have a Windows-only set-up program, but then will run on a Linux box.
"Each provides customers with unlimited mobile broadband usage between midnight and 9am, in addition to a 1GB, 3GB or 10GB monthly download cap."
What does that actually mean? Does it mean that I could download as much as possible between midnight and 9am and that data will not count towards my monthly cap? That is what it sounds like but experience shows that 'unlimited usage' has a strange meaning where ISPs use it in their advertising. Can anyone tell us what it really means?
Screw the "usage fee", £0.10/GB sounds just fine to me. That way, the bastards have an incentive to make their network actually let me connect now and again - cos otherwise they won't get a sodding penny out of me.
Glad to see they are giving out the Huawei E160e dongle. I have unlimited for £7.50 a month (business) and was given the ZTE MF636 dongle. After 6 weeks of losing a connection to the network somewhere between 30 and 60 minutes all the time they have finally accepted there is a known fault with the modem driver (I'm not alone apparently). Will the replace the dongle for a different model, will they f*ck. They would rather keep crediting me for all the hassle until they get a driver fix.
Knowing how slow Orange can be in getting fixes out it could end up costing them more in credits.
Yes. I am using a PAYG SIM in a Nokia E51 with Joikospot to enable it as a wireless access point. 1 Windows & 1 Mac laptop connected simultaneously for most of the day. Totally useable - I am administering 12 websites while gf is surfing in general, including video.
SIM was free. Apparently calling is not especially cheap, but I don't make calls on this phone. Internet costs €1 per day if used (every day in my case). Usage is unlimited, "but it's not intended for downloading movies all day." When I do have a huge download I try to use the free wifi which is available in 99% (my rough estimate) of cafes and bars here.
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I agree with @frank ly; what does 'unlimited' mean? The ISPs have bastardised the language to the point where we don't know what they're saying anymore! Safest to assume that in this context it means a bonus 1GB or something, since no-one could 'reasonably' expect to be allowed to download more than that in a 9 hour timeframe. Thanks* ASA, you're great+.
*'Thanks' in this context should be interpreted as a fervent wish that the ASA sod off and die.
+'Great' should be interpreted as 'useless cretins, divorced from reality and on the payrole of the ISPs'.
I'm getting 3GB for £5 a month from T-Mobile as an addon to my pay monthly phone plan and have had this a few months now. I suppose £4.89 is technically cheaper in monetary terms, but it's a lot more expensive per MB.
I wonder if Orange will now extend these prices to their French network where prices for 3G are still criminally expensive. Many of the tariffs are still time based and an unlimited package (with 3-5GB per month fair usage), will set you back about 40E a month. PAYG works out at about 8-10E a day. Ouch....
It looks like they're using the iCON 225 dongle and not a Huawei E160e as the quickstart guide links to http://shop.orange.co.uk/pdf/mobile_broadband/OptionIcon225-QuickStartGuide.pdf.
Looks like it should work with Ubuntu 9.04 providing the username and password fields are filled with something.
Not sure I like the idea of another 18 month contract though.
I've just got one of these for occasional use and it's working fine on both my MacBook and my Acer Aspire One running Linpus Linux. In fact the software supplied by Orange for the MacBook is the OSX version of Mobile Partner a version of which is available for Linpus Linux via a Live update on the Aspire One.
I may have to try getting a PAYG Orange sim, registering it and then dropping it in the dongle and trying out the 'daily capped usage' option when I need more data! :o)
With regards to the comments about Orange crap coverage, coverage is great where I need it, that's just mobile broadband for you.
I actually resisted getting an Orange dongle for ages as they don't offer PAYG and my usage is sporadic. I have both a Three and an O2 dongle. The Three dongle is good if there is a strong signal but only a couple of bars then it's flaky! I've never managed to get anything better than EDGE on O2. In contrast Orange has coverage everywhere I need it. I did consider both T-Mobile and Vodafone but again, no decent coverage where I want it , which is a shame as the Voda £15\GB which never expires on PAYG would be perfect for my needs.


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When I travelled to Texas to visit my Mammy, she and I were often found in front of game shows, it was our thing. We started the day with The Price is Right then on to the Gong Show and somewhere in there was Wheel of Fortune. Do you remember the old WOF shows when the contestant would have a bank account of money and would "purchase" items from the showroom as their prizes? Mammy and I thought that most of the stuff was junk, especially some of those statues that they would try to pawn off on some poor schmoe. We loved the last word and after given the letters "R-S-T-L-N-E" and the clue "Before and After," "Thing," or "Person" Mammy and I would think like crazy about the word.
Well this little treat is a "Before and After" word: Peanut Butter/Butter Cream Saltines or Peanut Butter Cream Saltines. I had read a post on Serious Eats a while back about another food blogger, Logan of Boots in the Oven's secret snack indulgence: frosting and saltines. What a great use of leftover frosting, I thought to myself. I had some leftover frosting hanging out in my fridge and thought to give it a try. The crunchy, creamy snack is a perfect blend of salty-sweet reminding me of sugar wafers or even Vienna Fingers. Then I thought, what if I added peanut butter to the cracker as well?
Now it becomes a creamier, more decadent version of a Nutter Butter cookie. Give it a try when you have leftover frosting and need a sinful little snack. Just don't eat these under the covers, they're quite crumbly.
Peanut Butter Cream Saltines
Peanut Butter of choice
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Spread the inside of a Saltine with peanut butter. Spread a second Saltine, on the inside, with butter cream frosting. Smoosh the crackers together and enjoy. Make as many as you would like.
Note- When Himself was in the Army, I would make him Peanut Butter Crackers by spreading Ritz Crackers with peanut butter. He was amazed that I had made sure each cracker sandwich was made with the outside of each cracker on the outside. It's the simple things, right?
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So, how about those 2-1 Jets? Showing a little bit of promise early in this season, aren't they? Not so much.
The Jets are getting railroaded by the Titans right now, and it feels just like old times. That GIF up top sums up the Jets' offensive production in the first half pretty perfectly. Geno Smith has completed 8 of 13 passes, but he's also thrown two picks and fumbled. Bilial Powell has been a bright spot, I guess, rushing for 51 yards on nine carries.
On the other side of the ball, the Jets are making Jake Locker look like Peyton Manning. Locker has three touchdowns already, and has completed 16 of his 19 passes for 130 yards. His last touchdown came on a gorgeous toss to Justin Hunter with seven second left in the half.


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The 2010 Red Diamond Cabernet Sauvignon from California is an OK wine. It's one of those wines that didn't really excite me, but didn't completely disappoint either.
For starters, this vino is much lighter than a classic Cab. Not really robust but not totally flat. Nothing really stood out to me in terms of a specific taste. It seemed like a generic Cab.
It has an overall smooth taste and not a bad finish, but it's not full enough for me. And frankly, it's kinda bland.
It is a bargain at under $10, but there are many other Cabs out there that I'd rather spend my money on.
I think I'm somewhere in between the frown and the flat, indifferent face.
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Guys, do any of you know of the OST which appears in episode 21 of R2, where the true form of the Sword of Akasha is revealed? I don't mean the Supernatural OST, there's some kind of epic OST for a few seconds from 15:20 to 16:17. I would appreciate it if you let me know. Thanks.
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I'm afraid it's not Siegfried. I am sure it is that episode, watched it countless of times. The OST starts at 15:17 to 16:17.
Dialogue from 15:17 to 16:17.
Lelouch "Who knows, I am Zero, the man of miracles."
Charles "Geass won't work on me, and even others-"
Lelouch rudely speaks up "No, isn't there someone else?"
Charles chokes on thin air.
Lelouch raises both arms "That's right. The world of C is the will of all humans."
Lelouch "And humans are not created equal."
Camera zooms in on Lelouch's single geass.
Lelouch "Those were both of your words. Because they are not equal, you what what that means of my powers, no?"
Charles "Foolish Lelouch! The power of the kings cannot defeat the gods"
Lelouch "This isn't about winning, you douche! This is a wish!"
Lelouch "Yes... right now, this moment, I know myself..."
Lelouch "Gods! The collective unconsciousness!"
World of C "Moan."
Lelouch "Do not stop the progress of time!"
Marianne "Lelouch, naughty children like you-"
Spinzaku draws his sword towards Marianne.
Suzaku "Not a single person... Not even Euphy would've wanted this."
Marianne "I saved you to allow you to talk to Euphie!"
Suzaku "That's called forcing things on other people!"
Charles "There is no way it can work, on the gods... on the humans themselves!"
Lelouch " Even so I desire tomorrow!!!"
The moment Lelouch's second geass sigil appears the OST changes to Siegfried.
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As I've discovered there are, sadly, quite a few pieces that are not officially released OST's.
Turning the Tide (I don't think this is actual music from CG, but, what the heck )
V.V.'s Attack
Unnamed piece arranged by Steven Kelly
Ragnarok (low quality, I know)
Lelouch's actual death song (fan-inspired piano version)
Y'know, I'm sure there are plenty of others...
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The one bit of music I'm trying to find that I can't so far is the one that plays during Ragnarok where all the lights in Schneizel's ship are blaring red and Bismark is lecturing Schneizel about what is to come...
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Seeking track
There's this track I've wanted for a long time but I could never find it. I don't know the name of it so thatj ust made it even harder to find, so if anyone on here knows the name of the track, please tell me. D= This is it in the link, it goes for the first 36 seconds during the prologue in episode 13 of R2. I WANT IT! TT_TT
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Anyone know what the background music is in episode 2, around the six minute mark when Lelouche makes the phone call. It plays multiple times during the series, but that's one of the first times it plays. Is it a track on the OST? I haven't been able to find it.
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New question...re-watching Island of the Gods (R1 Stage 19), what is that music playing during the entire 14th minute of the episode (when both groups, lelouch/euphie and kallen/suzaku are communicating at their respective two campsites)? That's wonderful music and I can't pinpoint it when listening to any of the R1 ost tracks...
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Code Geass R2 Music???!?
There is a few episodes where rolo is involved like episode 6 at 35 seconds into the episode when suzaku is forcing lelouch to talk to nunnally and rolo comes up and uses his geass. The song is very slow and peaceful with a guitar overlay, the song is used many times throughout the series like in episode 3 when lelouch is first gaining his memories back and he realizes the locket that rolo has was supposed to be for nunnally and asks for it back and rolo freaks out. I am not asking for the rolo's death song!!!!
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i'm desperated enough to find this bgm. The music is slow violin its play when lelouch meet with nunnally before she open her eyes in the end of ep 24 coz after the bgm change. does somebody know? please anyone can named it? or this unreleased?
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Sadly I could not attend RootsTech this year so had to decline but I'm excited to see what gadgets the panelists are bringing.
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Skip to comments.Iranian Alert - January 11, 2006 - As the world awakens, signs the regime may be fracturing
Posted on 01/12/2006 1:34:23 AM PST by DoctorZIn
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As the world awakens, signs the regime may be fracturing as it prepares for a confrontation.
Iran Breaks The Seals and the World Wakes Up.
- Reuters reported that the U.N. nuclear watchdog confirmed that Iran had broken U.N. seals at the Natanz uranium enrichment plant.
- The Financial Times reported that European diplomats said an emergency meeting could be held this week.
- The New York Times reported that the White House said if Iran continues on its current nuclear course, it will leave the international community no choice but to refer Tehran to the U.N. Security Council for possible actions.
- The Times reported that Jack Straw, the UK Foreign Secretary, warned the Iranians today that they were "pushing their luck."
- Bloomberg reported that French President Jacques Chirac said Iran and North Korea risk making a ``serious error'' by pursuing its nuclear activities.
- Yahoo News reported that Germany's foreign minister said Tehran had "crossed lines which it knew would not remain without consequences."
- Spiegel Online reported that German newspapers, both right and left, have given up on negotiations with Iran.
- Kuwait News Agency reported that Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Tuesday expressed concern about Tehran's decision to resume enrichment of uranium.
- Turkish Daily News reported that Turkey's ambassador to the United States said that Iran was "irreversibly" heading for acquisition of nuclear weapons.
- Telegraph reported on the predictably lame response from the International Atomic Energy Agency.
- James S. Robbins, National Review Online reported that there is a buzz at Foggy Bottom - low level, but growing - that maybe it would not be so bad if Iran went nuclear. A very bad idea.
- The Times reported that Iran was likely to be referred to the UN Security Council for punitive sanctions by the end of the month.
The Air Crash... Sabotage?
- Mehran Riazaty reported that the air crash could be an inside job. Photos suggest a possible internal explosion brought down the aircraft. Before and after photos. More Photos.
- Stratfor published an analysis of the air crash saying it could indicate foul play aimed at undermining Ahmadinejad's power base and influence.
- Eli Lake, The New York Sun reported that the eleven top Iranian Revolutionary Guard commanders died yesterday in a plane crash came as tensions among the ruling mullahs are rising.
- Iranian Student News Agency published photos of the military commanders that died in yesterdays air crash. Plus reports by Ken Timmerman and Dan Darling.
The Regime Prepares for a confrontation.
- Iran Press News reported that 0il revenues to be taken out of foreign banks and transferred back to Iran, in anticipation of possible freezing of Iran's assets in foreign banks.
- Iran Focus reported that Rafsanjani said: Our enemies are poised to take advantage of the situation inside the country to begin another mischief against Iran, but we dont know where this mischief will begin.
- Daniel Pipes, Frontpagemag.com provided a report on the foreign policy implications of the expectation by the "faithful" in Iran that anticipates the soon return of the 12th Imam. Leading Iranian thinkers to conclude that if "the Mahdi will come in two, three, or four years, why should I be soft? Now is the time to stand strong, to be hard.
- Iran Press News reported that talk in Iran of a hotel being built in time for the 12th Imam's reemergence.
- Iran Press News reported that Islamic Republic of Iran is next to last on industrial growth index of Mid East countries.
- Teamsters.org reported that the Teamster's President Hoffa called on Iranian President to release striking bus drivers. The Unions are finally joining the struggle.
- Iran Press News reported that all of the Islamic regimes government employees live under the poverty line.
- Iran Press News reported that a 17-year-old Nazanin was sentenced to death for protecting her chastity against three rapists.
- Iran Press News reported on more executions in Iran.
- Iran Press News reported that a female member of the Organization for Human Rights in Kurdistan savagely beaten and kidnapped.
- Iran Press News reported that cameras are being installed around Iranian universities in order to tighten control over students.
- And finally, The Middle East Media Research Institute published the first in a series of papers that will include translations of statements by members of the Iranian regime and Iranian leaders on various issues. Plus a cartoon.
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Do you think the Iranian people will overthrow the government and kick the Mullahs out? Prayers will continue going out for the Iranian people!
Referring it to the UN is closing our eyes and holding our ears and thinking now they will be nice.
Maybe it's time to send in Jimmy Carter and his crack "Despot Preservation Unit"(?)
The time is nigh
Virtually all internal regime changes require intense international support.
Pressure has to be brought to bear on the regime in such a manner to encourage the democratic forces inside of Iran to act in unison against the regime.
What is the western world waiting for?
The only other options are a military occupation of Iran or a nuclear Iran.
Are they asking the world to wait ??
I'm sure this has them really scared. At most it means that if the US and UK decide to actually do something, maybe France won't get in the way.
it is sad to say but iraqi deja vu all over again.
Just a word of encouragement for you guys- now that Pilot has moved on, and things are heating up, stay vigilant!
-prayers for Persian freedom.
Jimmy could go to "Desert One," where his micromanaged hostage rescue attempt failed.
And if Iran continues to work on nukes, we can all wring our hands together.....oh me, oh my!
Give me a break. Twice in 1Q-05 President Bush told the iranians - "Stand and we will stand with you.". He did this in globally televised speeches, including the State of the Union Address. In other words, he told the world in the clearest language he could use that we will be behind your people.
Every rational westerner wants to see the change. It is disturbing to hear you say that the West has to act first when the real question is "What are iranians waiting for?"
What do you mean 'limited ground action'? One RCT? Two? Where will they come from? Where will the troops needed to hold the territory we take for as long as is necessary come from? When do they leave? And don't underestimate any nation's sudden patriotism when an outside force shows up.
How do you stop iran from using resources in place to shut down the Straits of Hormuz (their only genuine capability)?
No, the hard fact is that we do not possess the boots to take iran (if you think I'm wrong then answer the questions with facts). The iranians need to rise up for themselves. When (if) that happens things will change.
In which State of the Union address (which year) did Bush offer praise to the youth of Iran and their cause for dramatic change in Iran?
I'm puzzled that he can say this ONCE, and not be expected to follow through. Or that he himself doesn't want to follow through, even with something as simple as more statements.
Having said that, I doubt there is much of a military option on the table, knowing that we are already fighting two wars. Maybe plans can be laid for the future?
And , follow through how? The rest of Bush's message (the part you left out) was crystal clear - Stand up and we will stand with you.
We are waiting for iranians to stand. When do you think they will?
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Iraq's West Qurna-2 oil field starts production
BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's oil minister says Russia's Lukoil-led group has begun pumping oil from the massive West Qurna-2 oil field in southern Iraq.
At a Saturday inauguration ceremony, Abdul-Karim Elaibi announced that production had started at 120,000 barrels per day increasing to 400,000 barrels per day by the end of this year.
The 14 billion barrel field is 490 kilometers (305 miles) southeast of Baghdad.
Since 2003, Iraq has awarded dozens of oil and gas deals to international energy companies — the first major investments in the country's energy industry in more than three decades.
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MODESTO, Calif. — California processing tomato growers hope "The Italian Enigma" can do for them what the "French Paradox" did for California red wine grape growers.
Thirteen years ago CBS's 60 Minutes aired "The French Paradox," a report on medical studies that showed Frenchmen live longer and suffer fewer heart attacks than Americans because they consume copious quantities of red wine. Within weeks of the program airing, red wine sales in the U.S. popped a cork, soaring 40 percent. Gallo put its leading brand, Hearty Burgundy, on allocation after the broadcast. Red wine sales for the year following the broadcast were up 39 percent.
The California Tomato Growers Association (CTGA) hopes The Italian Enigma will increase consumption of processed tomato products and jump start the state's economically dismal California processing tomato industry that has some large growers planning an exit because profits are eroding from tomato production due to flat consumption.
The Italian Enigma is the moniker given to a medical study released about six months ago that said Italians who frequently eat pizza have reduced risk of heart attacks than those who do not.
The study done at a Milan hospital reported that eating one 7-ounce serving of pizza per week reduced the likelihood of having a heart attack by 38 percent, and eating two servings of pizza per week reduced the risk by 56 percent.
The study published in the European Journal of Clinical Nutrition suggests that pizza ingredients, including tomato paste, can protect against heart disease.
The study was based on 507 cases aged 25 to 79 with a first episode of non-fatal acute heart attacks and 478 controls admitted for conditions unrelated to heart attack.
Pizza differences
However, Italian pizza is considerably different than American pizza. The Italian staple is made with a thin crust and a sprinkling of mozzarella cheese, and an entire pizza might provide 500 to 800 calories. The American standard pizza is a thick, doughy crust and piles of cheese containing as many as 2,000 calories. Nevertheless, there has been a study in the U.S. that the showed the same positive effect as the Italian study.
CTGA wants to transform itself from primarily a bargaining association to a promotional organization much like the Almond Board of California and promote processed tomato products as healthy food ingredients. It is either that or CTGA may go out of business because it is no longer effective as a bargaining association.
Demand is flat for California processing tomato products. Returns are dwindling for growers in a crop that is easily capable of producing more than 12 million tons or more annually with demand of only 10.5 million tons annually.
Ross Siragusa, the new CTGA president finishing up his first year, told the association's annual meeting recently in Modesto, Calif., that two-thirds of the state's tomato growers are not members of CTGA and are willing to take $50 per ton each year from processors. That has been the price for the past several years. This relegates CTGA's bargaining position to being a price taker.
That price has many of the state's most successful growers "pursing exit strategies which doesn't bode well for the future health of the industry," added Siragusa.
Siragusa said the industry has done "an admirable job" of driving down costs, but "an abysmal job of holding on to the savings.
"Ten years ago processors and growers shared 62 percent of the total margin whereas we are now fighting over 31 percent," he explained.
'Nutritional story'
Rather than haggle over price, CTGA wants to herald the "great nutritional story" of processing tomatoes and the lycopene they contain. If sales can be increased, profit margins should follow for growers and processors, CTGA contends.
"The industry has spent many years fighting over price and not promoting the overall consumption of processed tomatoes," said Siragusa. "If we are to survive we have to grow the overall market."
Lycopene is a pigment that gives tomatoes and other red fruits and vegetables like pink grapefruit and watermelon, their red color. Lycopene is an antioxidant that has been linked to lowering the risk of atherosclerosis, coronary heart disease, prostate cancer and cervical cancer. It also has been linked to improve bone and lung health. What makes the lycopene message particularly relevant to processing tomatoes is that lycopene content actually increases in tomatoes after they have been processed.
Roger Wasson, the man who played a key role in sharply increasing demand for U.S. pork industry and California almonds, told the CTGA gathering that processing tomato growers and processors have a an "opportunity" other commodities would cherish.
Wasson said California's processing tomato industry has "a great word" to get out about the health aspects of processed tomatoes whether it be on pizza or in ketchup or any processed tomato product.
Wasson warned CTGA to expect opposition to promote tomatoes via a voluntarily or mandatory promotional effort. Wasson is now with the California Strawberry Commission after a decade with the Almond Board of California.
Change needed
"Be willing to make a difference. It takes guts to look in the mirror and something different must be done," said Wasson.
California is the largest processing tomato product producer in the nation. Ohio is the only other state with a processing tomato industry and its production is very small.
"California is basically the only place people can get a product that actually gets better (health wise) after processing," he said. "Tilt the demand curve enough and you can have an impact on price."
He related how the Almond Board of California, which has a current budget of $21 million annually, started promoting the healthful aspects of almonds with less than $2 million.
CTGA is using about $100,000 from a special promotion account to launch a promotional effort for processed tomatoes. It has started with a special Web site featuring celebrity chefs and public service announcements. CTGA is emphasizing that processing tomatoes are convenient to use; have special culinary value and are nutritional because of the lycopene factor.
Wasson said the almond industry started touting the health of eating almond with less information about the impact of eating almonds than processing tomato growers and canneries have about the health aspects of lycopene and processed tomatoes.
"Get everyone you can into the loop and get them to agree you can make a difference," said Wasson, who added many agriculture commodities would love to have a health message like processing tomatoes have.
Start promotion
"Get everyone to buy in — get started" with a voluntary promotional effort, even if it just a penny per ton, he added.
Timing for promoting the healthful aspect of processed tomatoes and lycopene could not be better, according to Clare Hasler from the new University of California, Davis Robert Mondavi Institute for Wine and Food Science.
Consumers are shopping for healthy biologically active components in food, like lycopene, which she called a "powerful antioxidant."
"People are going to the kitchen cabinet for medicine rather than the medicine cabinet," she told CTGA's annual meeting. It has to do with the rising cost of health care. She said 68 percent of Americans in 2002 practiced self-treatment for ailments compared to just 31 percent in 1998. A significant part of that self-treating is eating more healthy foods.
Tomatoes, she said, have been identified as No. 1 on a list 10 "foods with wallop." Tomatoes rank ahead of spinach, nuts, broccoli, garlic, green tea, blueberries and red wine.
CTGA has started the ball rolling and its membership hopes there will be a profitable bowl of tomato sauce at the bottom of the hill.


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FAQ: Premiere Elements Hanging, or Crashing - Some Tipsthe_wine_snob Jul 31, 2012 2:42 PM
There are many things that can be going on with one's system, and even a brand new system (possibly more likely with a new system?). Neale has assembled a checklist that one should explore first:
Work through these basics to see if it cures your problems.
Install all Windows Updates.
Install latest version of Apple QuickTime (v7.6.9 at time of writing). Even if you don't use QuickTime, PRE relies heavily on it.
- Install most recent graphics and sound drivers from the manufacturer's web sites.
- Install PRE9 v9.0.1 update, same for PrE 10, or later, or any patches for your version of PrE - check Adobe's site.
- Delete BadDrivers.txt (in Windows 7 this is likely at C:\ProgramData\Adobe\Premiere Elements\9.0\BadDrivers.txt) Note: location will be slightly different for each version of PrE
- Run Disk Cleanup.*
- Run Defragmenter.
- Reboot your PC.
- Temporarily disable any anti-virus realtime scanning.
- Check your HDD's free-space. PrE needs about 20 - 30GB, just to run, and when editing, needs about double that, for the working files. *
And give us some information about your clips and hardware:
- Use the GSpot Codec Information Utility, or MediaInfo, to analyse the file and post screen image.
- What project preset did you use?
- Where did the clip come from?
- How did you get it into PRE?
- Post back here with the necessary information described here: Got a Problem? How to Get Started
There are several FAQ Entries, found in Premiere Elements FAQ's, on the right of the main forum page, and these address some of the issues covered above, plus also offer some tips on tuning up your system for NLE (Non Linear Editing) work. Be sure to read all of the FAQ Articles.
In the Tips & Tricks sub-forum, there are many articles related to program/computer hangs, crashes and even the dreaded BSOD (Blue Screen of Death). They are accessed via the link to Tips & Tricks, also to the right of the main forum page. Here are a few, that might offer some great tips, and things to explore:
Clean, Lean and Mean Editing Machine (with some Win7 Tune Up Tips via the contained links)
BSOD - A Serious Issue (with links to other articles, and also to the MS Web site, for The Case of the Unexplained)
Memory & Resouce Issues - Windows Virtual Memory
For issues with source files, see these articles:
Problem With An AVI File? - The Lowdown (Discusses other formats, which are also just "wrappers")
Hope that these are helpful, and special thanks to Neale for his assembly of the checklist.
* PrE, like most NLE (Non Linear Editing) programs, creates very large working files. These are necessary for it to do the work. Having 30 - 40 GB of defragmented, free space is necessary for the program to work properly. Note: with HDD's, once one gets to about 70% of capacity, the performance will go down. The closer to 100% capacity one gets, the lower the performance. Also, as 70+ % is reached, the mechanical wear on the HDD will increase. As one approaches 100% capacity, the likelihood of catastrophic failure of the HDD will increase greatly, as performance declines. Keeping the use of a HDD below about 70% is important for performance and for the health of the HDD.
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DescriptionStaghorn corals are among the fastest growing corals on reefs, and are excellent reef-builders (2). The name Acropora literally means a porous stem or branch (3), but Acropora species express a much greater variety of growth forms than the name suggests. Colonies can resemble antlers (staghorns) and be up to two meters tall, or can form delicately engineered plates and tables that may be up to three meters across. They can also form bush-like structures, some with short non-dividing branches like the fingers of a hand (2). Staghorn corals often out-compete all other corals in shallow tropical reefs, however, their speed of growth (which can be up to 10 to 20 centimetres a year (4)) is balanced by the fragility of some of the structures, as they are easily damaged in storms allowing other coral species a chance of growth. With 368 Acropora species currently known, and with such an amazing array of shapes, sizes and colours, identifying individual species can be a tricky task (2).


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Pearl River County, Mississippi Genealogy
Guide to Pearl River County, Mississippi ancestry, family history and genealogy birth records, marriage records, death records, census records, family history, and military records.
|Pearl River County, Mississippi
Location in the state of Mississippi
Location of Mississippi in the U.S.
|22 February, 1890
|County Seat
| Pearl River County Courthouse
PO Box 431;
Poplarville, MS 39470
Phone: 601.795.2237
Pearl River County Courthouse
- 1 County Information
- 2 County Courthouse
- 3 History
- 4 Places/Localities
- 5 Genealogy Resources
- 5.1 Research Guides
- 5.2 African Americans
- 5.3 Bible Records
- 5.4 Cemeteries
- 5.5 Census
- 5.6 Church Records
- 5.7 Court
- 5.8 Genealogy
- 5.9 Land and Property
- 5.10 Local Histories
- 5.11 Maps
- 5.12 Military
- 5.13 Naturalization
- 5.14 Newspapers
- 5.15 Occupations
- 5.16 Probate Records
- 5.17 Taxation
- 5.18 Vital Records
- 6 Genealogy Societies and Libraries
- 7 Websites
- 8 References
County Information
The County was named for Pearl River. The County has Pearl River as its seat and the County was created 1890. The County is located in the south central area of the state.[1]
Pearl River County, Mississippi Record Dates
| 1890
| 1890
| 1890
| 1899
County Courthouse
Pearl River County Courthouse
PO Box 431;
Poplarville, MS 39470
Phone: 601.795.2237
Clerk Chancery Court has divorce, probate and court records from 1890. Clerk Circuit Court has marriage records. [2]
Parent County
1890--Pearl River was created 22 February 1890 from Hancock and Marion Counties.
County seat: Poplarville [3]
Boundary Changes
For animated maps illustrating Mississippi county boundary changes, "Rotating Formation Mississippi County Boundary Maps" (1785-1918) may be viewed for free at the MapofUS.org website.
Variant Spellings
Record Loss
There is no known history of courthouse disasters in this county.
Populated Places
Neighboring Counties
- Forrest
- Hancock
- Harrison
- Lamar
- Marion
- St Tammany Parish, Louisiana
- Stone
- Washington Parish, Louisiana
Genealogy Resources
Research Guides
African Americans
Bible Records
|Tombstone Transcriptions Online
|Tombstone Transcriptions in Print
|List of Cemeteries in the county
|Family History Library
|Billion Graves
|Tombstone Project
|Billion Graves
|See Mississippi Cemeteries for more information.
- 1800 - 1911 Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911 at FamilySearch.org — index
- 1776 - 1935 Mississippi Marriages, 1776-1935 at Ancestry.com — index $
- 1826 - 1900 Mississippi Marriages, 1826-1900 at Ancestry.com — index $
- 1826 - 50 Mississippi Marriages, 1826-50 at Ancestry.com — index $
- to 1825 Mississippi Marriages to 1825 at Ancestry.com — index $
For tips on accessing Pearl River County, Mississippi Genealogy census records online, see: Mississippi Census.
Church Records
Church records and the information they provide vary significantly depending on the denomination and the record keeper. They may contain information about members of the congregation, such as age, date of baptism, christening, or birth; marriage information and maiden names; and death date. For general information about Mississippi denominations, view the Mississippi Church Records wiki page.
Land and Property
Land and property records can place an ancestor in a particular location, provide economic information, and reveal family relationships. Land records include: deeds, abstracts and indexes, mortgages, leases, grants and land patents.
See Mississippi Land and Property for additional information about early Mississippi land ownership. After land was transferred to private ownership, subsequent transactions were usually recorded at the county courthouse and where records are currently housed.
Local Histories
Local histories are available for Pearl River County, Mississippi Genealogy. County histories may include biographies, church, school and government history, and military information. For more information about local histories see the wiki page section Mississippi Local Histories.
Civil War
- 1861-1865 - Mississippi, Civil War Service Records of Confederate Soldiers, 1861-1865 at FamilySearch.org — index/images
- 1861-1865 - Mississippi, Civil War Service Records of Union Soldiers, 1861-1865 at FamilySearch.org — index/images
- 1861-1865 - U.S., Confederate Soldiers Compiled Service Records, 1861-1865 at Ancestry — index (free)
- 1861-1865 - U.S., Union Soldiers Compiled Service Records, 1861-1865 at Ancestry — index (free)
- 1889-1942 - Mississippi, Confederate Records, 1889-1942 at FamilySearch — images
- 1900-1974 - Mississippi, Confederate Veterans and Widows Pension Applications, 1900-1974 at FamilySearch — images
World War I
- 1917-1919 - Mississippi, World War I Service Cards, 1917-1919 at FamilySearch — index
Additional newspapers abstracts can sometimes be found using search phrases such as Pearl River County, Mississippi Genealogy newspapers in online catalogs like:
- River+county+Mississippi+Newspapers&qt=results_page WorldCat (For instructions see WorldCat Online Catalog).
- Do a Pearl River County, Mississippi Genealogy Place-name search for these and other records in the FamilySearch Catalog (For instructions see FamilySearch Catalog Place-name Search).
Probate Records
Online Records
- 1780 – 1982 Mississippi Wills and Probate Records 1780-1982 at Ancestry.com — index and images $
- 1781 – 1930 Mississippi Probate Records 1781-1930 at FamilySearch — images
Mississippi tax records replace missing censuses and provide lists of residents during years between censuses. There may be gaps of several years. For more information, see Mississippi Taxation.
- 1890-1900 - County Tax Rolls, courtesy: FamilySearch - free.
Vital Records
Vital Records consist of births, adoptions, marriages, divorces, and deaths recorded on registers, certificates, and documents. Mississippi law did not require keeping birth or death records until 1912. Births and deaths are kept by the Mississippi Bureau of Vital Statistics. Marriage records are kept by the county. See also How to order Mississippi Vital Records or order electronically online.
See Mississippi Vital Records for more information on getting Mississippi records.
- 1800 - 1911 Mississippi, Marriages, 1800-1911 at FamilySearch.org — index
- 1776 - 1935 Mississippi Marriages, 1776-1935 at Ancestry.com — index $
- 1826 - 1900 Mississippi Marriages, 1826-1900 at Ancestry.com — index $
- 1826 - 50 Mississippi Marriages, 1826-50 at Ancestry.com — index $
- to 1825 Mississippi Marriages to 1825 at Ancestry.com — index $
- 1890-1904 - Pearl River County Marriage Books 1 and 2 Index 1890-1904. Batches M714321 at FamilySearch - free.[4]
Vital Record Substitutes
Genealogy Societies and Libraries
Pearl River Historical Society
134 Newman Rd.
Poplarville 39470
See also a List of Mississippi Archives, Libraries, Publications, Historical & Genealogical Societies
Family History Centers
Family history centers provide one-on-one assistance and free access to premium genealogical websites. In addition, many centers have free how-to genealogy classes. See family history center for more information. Search the online FHC directory for a nearby family history center.
- Pearl River County, MS History, Records, Facts and Genealogy
- Mississippi Genealogy Network Community on Google+
- Mississippi Genealogy Network Group on Facebook
- FamilySearch Catalog
- ↑ Wikipedia contributors, "Pearl River, Mississippi," in Wikipedia: the Free Encyclopedia, "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_River_County,_Mississippi."
- ↑ Handybook for Genealogists: United States of America, 10th ed. (Draper, Utah: Everton Pub., 2002), Pearl River County, Mississippi page 381, At various libraries (WorldCat); FHL Book 973 D27e 2002.
- ↑ The Handybook for Genealogists: United States of America,10th ed. (Draper, UT:Everton Publishers, 2002).
- ↑ Genealogical Society of Utah, Parish and Vital Records List (July 1998). Microfiche. Digital version at https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/f/f2/Igimississippip.pdf.


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Knox Community High School Graduate Donald Kelly Completing Summer Fellowship with Indiana Secretary of State
Contact: Jim Gavin
Opportunity offers current Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis student chance to experience state government
(Indianapolis) – Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita is pleased to announce that Donald Kelly of Knox is currently completing the prestigious 2009 Indiana Secretary of State Fellowship Program. The summer-long program selects college and university students from around the state and allows them the opportunity to experience state government first-hand by rotating through the Secretary of State's divisions.
"Don exemplifies the kind of top-notch students we have here in Indiana," Secretary Rokita said. "I feel that he is an individual who will help guide our state and country with his desperately-needed leadership in the coming years, and I'm thrilled to have him here, as he is a valuable addition to our office."
Kelly will be a junior at IUPUI this fall, where he is pursuing a degree in political science with a minor in economics. He is a former IUPUI College Republican press secretary and currently holds a position as senator in Undergraduate Student Government.
Kelly cites some of his most memorable experiences as including the opportunities to meet with several elected officials over the course of the summer.
"Meeting these elected officials is an eye-opening experience that most people do not get to experience, and one that I will not forget."
The summer fellowship has allowed Kelly to become familiar with state government, all while encouraging him to use his small-town perspective, which he feels helps him relate to the office's constituents more effectively.
"This experience has been one of the most memorable summers I have had thus far. Being able to work in an elected official's office is a privilege that I am honored to have," said Kelly. "I hope to use my experience here and build off of it in order to continue to serve the public in a trustworthy way."
A 2007 graduate of Knox Community High School, Kelly is the son of Don and Linda Kelly. He will graduate from IUPUI in 2011 with plans to attend law school with a concentration in constitutional law. He would like to eventually take part in political work or run for office.
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GREENVILLE, Ill. -- Greenville College's Coree Woltering, a junior from Ottawa, Ill. (Ottawa Township), has been named the Men's Cross Country Runner of the Week for the week of September 13-19.
Woltering ran a time of 26:07 on the 8K course at the Illinois Intercollegiate Championships. He placed 60th out of 344 total runners and was the top finisher from the SLIAC at the race. Greenville placed 14th out of 32 teams competing, including schools from NCAA Division I, II, III and NAIA.


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Donald Harward recalls how in 1989, as the new president of Bates College, the local newspaper carried a short item about his appointment - and a big article about how Bates was an aloof, elitist island in economically depressed Lewiston, Maine.
Dr. Harward has been working hard ever since to reverse that sentiment. A key weapon has been one of the college's main assets: its students.
Under Harward, Bates was one of the earliest of hundreds of colleges and universities to have students work for credit on academic projects that also benefit the community.
Bates students have served as education assistants in schools and done statistical background studies for the highway department. One senior's presentation recently persuaded a large national bank to contribute $100,000 toward scholarships for local residents to attend Bates.
Harward says that 15 years after service learning arrived on campuses, institutional self-interest that once was the overriding motivation for many projects is ceding to the idea that intellectual activities and doing good in the community go together.
As president of a small elite college - a $32,000-a-year school that is listed by U.S. News & World Report as among the top 50 liberal-arts colleges - Harward shared his views with the Monitor on a variety of current issues.
Where are town-gown relations headed in the new century?
Within higher education, I think there's a more thoughtful reaction and attention to place, in terms of responsibility to place. That's translated into what I would call, simply: What's the right thing to do? It's not an examination of just what's in our institutional self-interest. And that notion flows from what it means to be an educational institution and to recognize that learning has a moral dimension, an ethic.... While that sounds high-minded, what it really means is that the ethic of education has all to do with seeing the responsibility of the privilege of learning.
Has that changed the mission of institutions somewhat?
No. Educational institutions' primary mission is learning. But more than ever before, they're realizing that devotion to that goal brings with it obligations to its place, its situation, and to the people and community of which it is a part. There's always been a strong sense that colleges must be places apart. But the ivory-tower notion that intellectual activity must be separate, and values-independent, is changing. What we're now seeing is that colleges and universities can maintain this dimension of being contrarian, but also be engaged in the communities in which they are located. And that engagement translates to the acceptance of service learning as a compatible element of the legitimate academic and intellectual pursuits of higher education.
You're outspoken in saying that college is not an 'education business.' Is this outdated given the trend toward for-profit entities linked to universities and for-profit online universities?
Maybe it's quixotic, but I think it's important to plant a flag about going too far and too fast down that path. Because what you lose is the dimension of higher education that is, in fact, antithetical to, quite different from, not at all valued by, the world of business. We need to make the point that information transfer is not identical to learning. It's not even a condition of learning. It's a collateral phenomenon with learning.
You don't use the term 'consumers' when referring to your students.
That's right. I think it's misleading. Colleges cannot be, and should not be, consumer-friendly. That's not their role. To make you satisfied or have a good time is not my objective. My objective, hopefully, is to help you liberate yourself. And that's tough sledding. It seems to me our responsibility at educational institutions is more analogous to taking whatever you offer and giving it back to you and saying "you can do better." That's not a very consumer-friendly thing to do - the notion of challenging you.
But when parents and students complain more today about the value of a $30,000-a-year education, isn't there a growing reaction among college presidents that maybe they're right?
At Bates and everywhere else, we're a heck of a lot more attentive to outcomes than we would have been a decade ago. It's a legitimate expectation from students and their families that the college be able to find the kind of evidentiary basis for its claims - that in these undergraduate programs what we're doing is imparting a level of critical skill development and freeing students to become lifelong learners. We're all engaged in that rhetoric, but to find ways to point to what it is about the experience that they have paid $30,000 a year to have is important....
Bates and the top 100 colleges in this nation are only educating about 1.5 percent of the 14 million students in this country. But just look at the disparity between that and the outcome. Among those who accomplish professional degrees - medical or legal - there is a disproportional representation from those institutions. Something like a quarter of all PhDs have undergraduate degrees from those 100 or so colleges.
What's your perspective on college rankings - are they a useful tool or the bane of collegegoers?
The part I find regrettable to the point of being reprehensible is that rankings, as beauty contests, are so often skewed by the weighting of factors - primarily financial factors at the institution. And what the public reads is that these institutions are being ranked by their quality.... I do think rankings have a purpose. The market is responding positively to them. Their best use is early on in the process, helping a family and a student identify a range of institutions they might otherwise not have considered. But I don't see much of a point in them beyond that.
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