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Really weird
Like, proper
I don't get "awareness" campaigns
when the issue in question is something that people are all aware of. Same with going commando for men's health charities
If you want to do a breast/testicular cancer awareness campaign, do a "check your breasts / balls" campaign.Antpocalypsenow, imaperv, PickledOeuf, ChintzyLacroix, and furio this'd this
Are you not
'Twas re appropriated from something else
But ultimately no point in getting het up that it does basically nothing for anyone in need.
Because Facebook.
oh it's a facebook thing
I thought it was like the ones that those celebrities did for Children in Need
people who're doing em now
dont even seem to be mentioning the breast cancer awareness bit.
pointless, but harmless and not something i can bring myself to get angry at
whilst it should be a good cause
i cant help but think that for some people on my facebook at least its an excuse for them to post a picture fishing for compliments on how good they look without makeup.;
- fidel_catstro this'd this
- fidel_catstro this'd this
I politely disagree with this post
(might have accidentally this'll it though)
Here's my logic
Everyone needs a bit of validation sometimes, but I think there's something a bit unhealthy about continually seeking it. Which is what you sometimes get with selfies.PickledOeuf, JaguarPirate, fffeargol, imaperv, jontosh2001, and TheWza this'd this
I think relying on any one thing for validation can be unhealthy. Facebook is full of this: "look at my children / choice of holiday destination / car / house / taste in music and culture / food", so it's not a dig at selfies, per se.
As Au Revoir Simone said, only you can make you happy.
But we are complex human beings. Boasting about your amazing vinyl collecton on DiS might also be added into your list. Horses for courses. What I can't bear (and I'm not saying you are doing this) is sneering at people for what they have to do to bolster their own personal self esteem. because it is just that- personal to them, and unless causing them mental illness or dependancy issues, probably not all that 'unhealthy' to them.ElthamsmateOwen, Wheaty, and ma0sm this'd this
^ bing
there's a real edge to a lot of the criticism that has made my skin crawl. Far far more of it than you'd ever get for pink ribbons, and nastier and different to "lol movember bellends". Not lumping you in with that, CCB.
Also can I just have a bit of a scream about how "selfies" seem to have become such A Thing when people have been doing it and not making A Thing out of it for years ok good.
yeah just for clarification
I wasn't intending to be sneering or nasty. I know you acknowledge that in your posts, PO/FC :)
^this this this
selfies without make up for validation, fine, selfies without make up for validation whilst trying to enforce that it's really for cancer, not fine at all.
- Royter-Hatfood this'd this
Neknomination was to raise awareness for throat cancer
not a lot of people know that
- monoshono this'd this
No, I think this is a different guy
he was talking about his job in the upselling thread and seemed fine.
I didn't notice the account at all until it popped up to complain about the mods in the deletion thread. Weird one.
I'm not cuntby!
and I wasn't complaining about the mods, I just wanted clarification over if and when they can delete threads.
To expand
it's an excuse for people to post more egotistical selfies, and a bit 'wacky', while masquerading as doing something for a good cause.
Any photo must also be accompanied by some self disparaging comments, then also added to by their friends with "no u look gorge hun" type comments while they make some half-arsed attempt to bat away any compliments, which in turn of course encourages more.
ok, look, I'm in a fierce shitty mood today
but the above seems incredibly ugly. what the hell do you care?
Don't really, just think it's a complete waste of time,
That and most of the people doing it are dickheads.jontosh2001 this'd this
You've took your selfie down now haven't you?
No, leave it up babez u look gr8
you seem to have had quite a bit of a vent
for someone who doesn't care.
It's the attention seeking element I don't like. I suppose like most of facebook really.
Which is why I hardly put anything up on there
at the risk of pulling a fidel_catstro-style-snark
posting inflammatory comments on an internet messageboard is super attention-seeky too.
Not meant to be inflammatory, it's just something that I've found annoying in the last few days.
Maybe because it's something that is affected me personally recently, but I also doubt you'll find many people with cancer posting these pictures, because you know, it doesn't do anything to help anything.
I, and a few other friends
have had people close to us die from cancer and we all find it a bit... I don't know. It's not insulting because I know a fair lot of these people doing it have their heart in the right place but all the people I've seen do it are the ones who take vain selfies of themselves every other day so it seems like the only difference this time is they've slapped a cancer hashtag on it.
It just seems a little in poor taste for those who seem to be doing it for an excuse to take more overly-filtered instagram selifes.
for the few that have done it
who are genuinely doing it for cancer (had people post with signs, hashtags and links about donating to cancer research and information on checking yourself) I respect them because it's clear they're not just taking ANOTHER selfie with no make up.
Quite a number have popped up on my feed with no mention of cancer. I guess it's like the neck nomination (I didn't even know that was cancer until someone mentioned it in this thread).
I just don't want to purpose of all this to get swept away by people who just want to scrub off their make up and show everyone their face for comments/attention.
if people wanna post pictures of themselves where they've got to control how they look, it's not necessarily "egotistical". maybe a bit insecure but then there's nothing wrong with feeling insecure about how you look. if it gives them more confidence then good for them. weird how much people react against selfies and "fishing for compliments", as if everyone should be totally demure and modest all the time and not try to feel good about themselves. why is it so different because you're the photographer? is it so different from people who get mega dolled up to go out dancing and spend half their night posing for photos? (also fine).
the only thing that annoys me about this is that 1. I can't see any actual connection to breast cancer and, like most charity awareness raising thing - ahhhem movember - it has nothing obvious to do with that cancer. 2. the idea that going without make-up is a better, more natural reflection of beauty.
everyone just back the fuck upplasticniki this'd this
isn't it another example of the association between breast cancer and its impact on "beauty"
rather than it's impact on the human being?
Or am I just being a massive cynic?
I don't think it's an association in the same way that "save the boobs!" is
I think the correct extent of cynicism is probably just that it came out of some meeting where people were fairly desperate for a gimmick to hook their campaign around.
but then someone's self-image, self-esteem, body confidence etc. are still part of them as a "human being".
people obviously think going without makeup' is slightly 'daring' or least a challenge or a sacrifice. like loads of other things that people do for charity or 'good causes'.
Movember is a registered charity, working in partnership with other registered charities
and runs specifically as fundraising activity.GayGuevara and badmanreturns this'd this
Then I don't understand what your first numbered point is.
Movember isn't solely an awareness organisation- it's also a fundraising and research one.
well I didn't say
things that are "solely an awareness organisation"
She means you don't get moustache cancer, I think.
That the thing being used as awareness for the cancer doesn't really relate to that cancer at all. It's like someone said, "I want an excuse to look like a total fucking penis because wearing a moustache *ironically* isn't my thing. I know why don't I tack some spurious feel-good bullshit onto the end of it?"
And it turns out tonnes of men are actually fucking awful penises who really really want to wear a stupid fucking moustache so now it's a registered charity dohicky...
"the only thing that annoys me about this is that 1. I can't see any actual connection to breast cancer "
thats the thing that most people are finding annoying about it isn't it?
ok so why aren't they annoyed with
all the other gratuitous cancer 'awareness-raising' stuff. like movember or wearing a pink ribbon or a rubber bangle.
movember is about raising money though
As are the ribbons and bangles.fffeargol and badmanreturns this'd this
why does that make them less gratuitious though?
you're still wearing/doing something to show you've supported a cause. those people don't just donate money then keep that to themselves - it's also a public display of support and commitment to a cause (and 'awareness raising').
One of its purposes is to create a 'craze'
and encourage more people to buy ribbons/ daffodils/ bangles, thus raising more money for the cause.Jordan_229_2 this'd this
and surely the idea of this
is to get more people "talking about it" and all that stuff. I just don't see why this 'campaign' not necessarily being about fundraising means it has less of a connection to breast cancer than e.g. growing a moustache has to testicular cancer (which is what this subsubthread is about). one is about raising awareness (good aim). another is about raising awareness and also funds (good aims). both involve something visual which is totally unconnected to cancer.
Pretty sure I didn't deny
that there might be mnoire than one purpose. Indeed I said 'one of its purposes'. You'll be wel aware that charities cannot survive without donations and unless they are *purely* informatoin disseminaton vehicles, which very few are, then raising cash will always be one of their main purposes. You are cleverer than this so much as it pains me to say it, I can only agree with CG that you're being deliberately obtuse on this.
whatever mate
Jordan_2229424524 took issue with something I said. I explained what I think.
I didn't say that you thought there was more than one purpose. I think you've still missed my point. I don't think charities shouldn't use these 'visual' things like bangles and all that to raise money, I totally get why they do that, duh. But I don't see more/less of a connection with cancer. When so much of the criticism of the selfie thing seems to be "wtf does this have to do with cancer??", it's a fair point to make.
come on, man.
- GayGuevara this'd this
Any frenulum of yours is a frenulum of mine.
almost literally knew exactly what that was going to be
and yet opened it at work anyway
stupidDarwinDude this'd this
The visuals might be totally unconnected to cancer as an illness
but hair growth and naked faced vulnerability are both broadly recognised, common heuristics for cancer treatment and patients
- jontosh2001 and badmanreturns this'd this
they might be? lots of people get annoyed about movember
perhaps the same people?
the first thread i searched for seems to have similar sentiments? and i've heard a lot of people say the same, and had them say it to me when i was fundraising.
ha, I rasied my eyebrows at movember
for me there's a nastier edge to the "urgh look at this attention-seeking wimmins" criticism than the "urgh dickhead LADs" shit that we give the movember types, as well as more of an insinuation that they're just doing it to make themselves look good.
But granted, this is a tough place to claim nobody gives movember any shit!PickledOeuf and DarwinDude this'd this
not sure who those quotes are from
think criticism of both campaigns/movements/whatevers are equally pointless though.cocodaLOL this'd this
not quotes innit, being a bit glib
what bothers me more is that Movember bitching is "look at these dickhead LADs being plums", which is a bit mean as they're raising money for charity, but that's about all. Whereas this stuff seems to range from either just straight-up trashing women's looks to at best chewing them out for being "vain" or "attention seeking" which for a range of reasons I find nastier.
hmm, thats not really how i've seen it
but if you have then i get your point, aye.
:D are you serious?
If I go into a movember thread on DiS from the past I can all but guarantee you'll have been at the forefront of giving everyone shit. If I'm wrong, fair dos and I'll buy you a lobster to say sorry.
- Jordan_229_2 and fidel_catstro this'd this
no hang on I actually agree you here
I don't specifically remember bitching about movember but its certainly something I could have done
I'm confused
I will take the lobster though (not from Big Easy it was well overdone and rubbery)
I thought you were saying that
somehow the immense levels of shit one charity effort gets every year was somehow more justified than the shit given to the one currently littering over everyone's feeds right now?
Perhaps I read that wrong. I just think, in general, that people having a moan about any charity efforts *should just fuck off*
see above
(also C_B)
Ultimately I agree that giving people shit for charity efforts is bad form. I do feel that what we're seeing here is nastier than the movember stuff. I'd feel comfortable having a bit of a moan about how bellendy some MB efforts are, though I don't really think they are terrible humans and have donated money to people's mb campaigns.
OK I think that should sufficiently suck the fun out of everything
Agreed re: big easy lobsters.
And yeah okay, I can see why it's nasty in what the underlying criticism seems to be. Especially since, really, you see this bollocks of CLICK LIKE TO HATE AIDS stuff every day and no one kicks up. Notable enough that women posting minus makeup causes some real cryfests.
Why do you think it's nastier?
I don't see that at all? The Movember thing I find attention seeking, 'whacky' and annoying too but at least it actually does some good in raising money.
Fidel is, as ever, hedging his bets on DiS.
Which is insane because in his night-shift job as Dave Miliband's stunt double his political savvy is significantly less impressive.
why is not wearing makeupo
in a selfie such a big deal? there are plenty of photos of me online with no makeup on, so I'm a bit baffled really.
Also not sure how it raises awareness- surely everyone knows about breast cancer. Maybe posting a video of you doing a self examniation would be brave and vaguely helpful, but looking at my tired coupon- probably not going to cause any great awareness breakthroughs.Chip_Batch, plasticniki, and fffeargol this'd this
Having said all this, a few observations:
1. In addition to seeing quite a few of these seflies on my feed today, I have also seen a few people posting patronising rants like 'what has this got to do with cancer, you're all sheeple. No make up selfie = useless in the fight against cancer. Ranting about people who do no make-up selfies= equally useless in the fight against cancer. Both sides are just playing a role in the same useless game.
2. to follow, I need to go and vom. BRB.
yeah it's all so pointless
and we've just made it worse :(
2. false alarm, no vomming
so, my next poiunt. I am more put out/ perturbed/ puzzed/ other things that begin with P that it assume sthat all women will find this a massive challenge. Some people who are never seen without makeup undoubtedly will, but that makes me sad that the default poisition is that our esteem and body image is dependant on that.
Right, I really am going to vom now. BRB.
3. if people aren't donating to cancer research
then presumably the 'message' is to raise awareness about examination. I was actually discussing this last night as at dinner we were seated next to a table of oncologists who confirmed to me what I had been told by my own doctor (and which I still refuse to believe- I still do self exam at least once a month). But here it is- the evidence shows that the only thing that routine breast self examination achieves is unnecessary biopsy. It doesn't increase chance of survival at all, just increased level of biopsies. Big studies apparently support this statement. there do seem to be mixed messages about what you're meant to do and I don't know anymore.
I often find myself having to swallow petty bile over cancer charity
awareness and fundraising drives, because a lot of them do run off the back of slight misinformation. It's arguable done for the greater good but the simple truth is that we will never beat cancer, and one of the reason cancer rates (and cancer-related mortality rates) continue to climb is that we're actually getting pretty good at detecting and treating it.
`We will never beat cancer`
Bold statement (even allowing for nuance of opinion as to what `beating cancer` actually means).
Dunno mate.
I worked for 13 months in cancer research and my feeling when I came away from it was 'we will never beat cancer'. It's such a heterogeneous disease with so many different causes, and it's basically just a consequence of having cells that are able to self replicate.
I think DK's statement should be amended to 'we will never beat cancer until we invent tiny robots that can move freely through our organs identifying and destroying nascent tumours'.
Or a shrink ray
Yeah the task is enormous
based on the facts of what cancer is, which you have rightly defined. But, who knows. Think of the advances in medical science over the last 100 years... even in the last 10 years in treating AIDS. Remarkable things happen.
But yeah, totally get the feeling of deflation when faced with the enormity of the task.
The other thing I came away with was the feeling of admiration for the
researchers who are really passionate and dedicated to the cause. A lot of them work most weekends for no extra pay. In the face of the fact that most prospective cancer drugs don't get anywhere close to market too. Great bunch o' lads/lasses.
what grinds my gears
is the talk of 'fighting', 'beating', 'battling' cancer. it's a medical condition, why can't we be objective and scientific when it comes to our discussions about it rather than referring to it as some crusading enemy that must be crushed.
if you've ever watched a cancer patient go through chemo and radio, it is a fucking fight to the death (or not). make no mistake about that. I don't think it's very fair to expect people to be unemotive about this kind of thing when it affects so many (although I do have some sympathy for your view!)
But what about the people who:
1. Don't want to 'fight'
2. Aren't able to 'fight'
3. Don't win the 'fight'
It suggests that beating cancer is due to being 'strong' and I don't think that's in any way true, or fair.
In general however I've got no issue with patients viewing something as horrendous as cancer and the treatments they might choose to have as a fight or battle.
However as a medical researcher I get really annoyed with charities and the government referring to "we want to beat cancer", "your money will help us cure cancer" etc etc... we need to take small, incremental steps towards improving the wellbeing of people with all medical conditions - rather than exploiting people out of fear to cough up cash on the promise of it 'going to find a cure'. I have a lot of issues with medical "charities" but I'll leave that for another day.
you get annoyed with charities using language such as `we want to beat cancer` even though that messaging helps actually generate more money to fund the research that you do? Interesting.
People aren't exploited out of fear, in these instances. People WANT to give money to help find `a cure for cancer` (however loosely and flawedly that is defined) and I don't think that charities are being disingenuous, as a rule, for raising money off the back of that messaging.
i'm not charity funded
however it's probably true that all funding is indirectly influenced by the awareness campaigns run by charities.
Cancer get's priority funding (and even gets an 'inefficient' allocation of funding in the NHS (see the Cancer Drugs Fund)) because it's a vote winner, at the expense of other conditions or areas where research can have a big benefit.
People WANT to give money to find a 'cure' because they DON'T WANT to die from cancer, or see friends and family suffer. However societal preferences (from dozens of massive studies) for the ways in which people would choose to be treated or 'experience' the end of life are very different from the messages that people with a vested interest (charities, David Cameron, pharma etc) portray when it comes to 'fighting' cancer and living for as long as possible.
I think this is getting a bit removed from the point I was originally trying to make, which is that I think it's trite to say to people that having cancer is a fight (for many they will view it like that and that's fine) because not everyone wants to or can fight, and it can imply to a great many people that don't 'win the fight' that it's due to a lack of strength - or a lack of research/medical resources (and all the issues that come from pumping loads of toxic drugs into people with little hope of any improvement of quality or quantity of life).
Plenty of points to be made about causes being deserving of funding etc. Cancer absolutely cleans up but would the amount of money spent on it be better spent elsewhere? Probably. For instance it's getting to the stage now where it's literally only money that's stopping researchers getting to a `cure` for most forms of hearing loss and deafness. From what I've heard within the medical community is is very much `when` and not `if` effective treatments for hearing loss will be given a route to market. I mean - that's incredible. Incredible. And it's literally money which is stopping it from happening sooner.
So, yeah, plenty of debate as to whether or not cancer deserves the funding it gets vs. the effectiveness of the overall mission etc.
mild to severe hearling loss
Because it's an emotive subject
and, in turn, emotive language has been used in campaigns around it. Because that's how the public speak about it.
Fundraising campaigns don't work on an `objective and scientific` level alone. They work on an emotional one. CRUK's recent campaigns have actually been pretty good at doing both - i.e. using the emotive language whilst also using stats to back it up (e.g. because of research x% more people survive x cancer owing to advances in x treatment).
Understand it can rankle at times, but there's a reason for its use.
yeah, i appreciate why it's used
I just think it's trite and misleading.
Also, the 'deaths avoided' stats really need to be taken with a large pinch of salt.
Some of it is; some of it isn't.
As a general rule though - it's what the public understand and it's what works.
And yep - fully believing of the fact that there are some pretty ropey stats used in support of claims. That isn't to say that research hasn't had some belting gains in treating patients though. Finding a way to put it for the public to understand is a challenge.jontosh2001 this'd this
yeah completely agree
I think you're right in that it's what the public understands, but sadly I think it forces a message that 'active' medical care for old people with advanced cancer is the only option.GetOffMyLawn this'd this
at least they had the guts to tear into these women directly
instead of hiding behind mealy-mouthed language like "urgh, fishing for compliments".DarwinDude this'd this
right, so thinking someone is being attention-seeking
Means you automatically think they're ugly too. Great to know
Don't get this.
It has reminded me I need to get a family history cancer clinic checkup though :(
- brusma and plasticniki this'd this
Some odd comments in this thread re:
`Well everyone knows about breast cancer so why raise awareness of it`
Two things: a) breast cancer is very visible partly off the back of decades of very well managed public health awareness raising campaigns through a variety of methods. So, y'know, they work. b) maintenance of awareness raised is just as important as raising the initial awareness amongst the public in the first place.
Not denying that there's probably more causes and cancers that are worth raising awareness of that need the airtime (skin for instance) but, y'know, breast cancer's an emotive topic and one which permeates public discourse so... y'know.
the campagn hasn't really been well managed. In the 90s it was all about checking your tits regularly when we are now learning that NO WE ARE TO STOP BEING HYSTERICAL because all the tit-checking campaign has done is have tens of thousands of women running to the breast clinic for unecessary biopsies on common fatty lumps. I'd actually say the campaign is in a state of flux.
Anyway, I won't be doing the selfie, but I won't be criticising anybody who does because i'm not a cunt.
Ah yes
agree with that - there's a difference between `the information/awareness being raised needs to be of better quality` and `the information/awareness doesn't need to be raised because everyone knows about it` (which is what my first point was). But, yes, absolutely. Awareness raising isn't always a good thing in and of itself.
Also, is that actually true?? Whilst there will have been an upsurge in women panicking about lypomas which turn out to be completely benign, isn't the line from the medical world to ALWAYS get any irregularity checked out? Sure it causes inefficiencies but inefficiencies > deaths... Also, I remember a few years ago Dr. Christian doing a campaign which showed (to me) that there are still a lot of women who don't know how to examine their breasts fully and properly so... still seems a bit of work to be done.
tl;dr as always but, yes, fully agree that better QUALITY of information being out there is always good.PickledOeuf, fffeargol, and Chip_Batch this'd this
I struggle to get het up about these
but they are essentially a nonsense. I don't think it's fair to accuse anyone participating of willfully seeking attention or being egotistical, but that isn't to say that they aren't buying in to a phenomena that is broadly attention-seeking and egotistical.Epimer, Jordan_229_2, and monoshono this'd this
Most people do most things because
it makes them feel better about themselves and/or it makes them feel good in the eyes of others.
Any campaign that exploits this for wider charitable benefit is fine by memonoshono and PickledOeuf this'd this
It would seem more sincere
if most people doing this would also post a link to a breast cancer charity.
if only there was some sort of way in which "awareness" campaigns
were different from "fundraising" campaigns
I'm sure many charities would be grateful for your insight and expertise
maybe you could knock up an email or something
Get some work done mate
This does neither of us any good
cancer of them old breasticlesChip_Batch this'd this
this thread has reminded me of the 'Liking isn't Helping' advertising campaign
from last year. Don't agree with premise entirely as at the very least it does spread awareness on a superficial level but can't help but feel that participating in such things is more or less self-serving in that it requires little to no effort on the part of the individual to actually engage with the highlighted cause.
am i the only person who hasn't got anyone on their feed posting these?
though by checking i have found out someone i went to primary school with is now an Australian papparazzo currently stalking Mick Jagger
- noise_ramones, deadonthestairs, nice_squirrel, badmanreturns, and plasticniki this'd this
doug stanhope does a good bit
about the pointlessness of 'raising awareness' comparing it to someone seeing someone get hurt then telling other people that someone is hurt rather than doing something to actually help. but he makes it funny and there are swears. i sort of agree.Antpocalypsenow this'd this
It's a bit glib, though, isn't it.
I mean unless you have data that awareness campaigns are actually useless.
- fidel_catstro and no-class this'd this
nah he's funny
don't agree with much or anything that he says but that isn't really the point
Despite a lot of good critique on this campaign...
There's also a lot of dismissive comments about the effectiveness of awareness ITT.
From my experience of doing stuff at uni, awareness campaigns can lay the building blocks for people to come more active.
Essentially, there's this thing called "Spectrum of Allies" and the philosophy of that is you have active allies and active opponents, and in the middle you have neutrals. The point of awareness campaigns is to target the neutrals who otherwise wouldn't have thought about doing something before, rather than just making them aware of something they're already fully aware of.
- no-class and Jordan_229_2 this'd this
To everyone thinking this is dumb.
Cancer Research UK have received over 50,000 text donations from this and the website traffic has increased 400%. So it's not all just nonsensical attention seeking.
- monoshono, fffeargol, and ElthamsmateOwen this'd this
A few years ago there was a campaign on FB
where people changed their profile picture for awareness of child abuse or something like that.
Anyway, I posted something all self-righteous like "fuck this, I'm not changing my pic to a cartoon. I'll set up a DD with the NSPCC instead".
So maybe these campaigns work in that they spur people into action by the medium of pissing them off!
what i take away from all this?
that i'm bummed that people don't like doug stanhope.
ha, "bummed".
my girlfriend has had cancer many times over the years and survived against the odds - she currently has the all clear i'm pleased to say. she feels campaigns like this are patronising and self-satisfied and have very little effect in terms of helping people with cancer. so there we are.
might there be a bit of "well if i do this trivial thing i don't have to do anything real" about it?
people can have all sorts of feelings about it, idk
it's hard to argue with El's numbers just upthread though.
no it isn't
* 50,000 texts in what period of time?
* what is the usual number for that period of time?
* what amount are these donations in comparison to the typical average?
* bit weird its exactly 50,000
there you go.
also a text donation doesn't provide data on the reason for that donation
i didn't think it was a fundraising campaign though?
just an awareness one.
from the CRUK 'donate' page
Text BEAT to 70099 to donate £3 from your mobile.
I've not seen a Campaign code/name for this make-up thing. Seems hard to prove how donations have been affect from this campaign/awareness thing (whatever you want to call it).
if they can't track how the campaign increases donations
someone needs fired.
but feel free to go full Moker here, it's obvs impossible to prove one way or the other without insder knowledge.
All that's important is we don't usually get many
and now we're getting loads. The 50k+ is just from today, which I can assure you is a lot more than usual and there is nothing else out there that could be behind this increase. If this one bit of "nonsense" means we have more money to spend on beating cancer then it's pretty laughable and a bit pathetic to be cynical about it really.
but did you have a specific code set up?
fidel is wrong in some way here, i'm just not sure which.
Don't think there would've been a code as it's not our campaign.
I just know that we've got tens of thousands more donations than usual and it's almost certainly because of this. If you want to trawl the internet and find out which other massive social media trends the CRUK donation number is appearing in right now then be my guest.
also, who exactly is this 'eltham'
can we trust his opinion?
I don't know, people who are going to do something tend to do it off their own backs anyway.
Things like this and Dryathlon and Movember etc engage people who wouldn't usually align with any kind of cause, in these cases that's beating cancer. While I don't doubt slacktivism is a thing and people do it just for attention or to feel they've made a difference with minimal effort, you do also end up with loads of people who DO engage and end up supporting a cause they might never have otherwise.
urgh some people being super awful about this on twitter
also sort of struck by the realisation that all the people saying "lol look at these people just doing a thing to feel better about themselves" are pretty clearly doing this to feel better about themselves, no? *moker face*
...and you are saying that about those people because...?
it enrages my sense of what is right in the world
(which I'm sure is the same reason you asked me that question ;) )
people being cynical
eltham pointing out cynicism is misplaced.
people still being cynical
eltham isn't even a mod, mate
let me know when antelope points it out.ma0sm this'd this
i haven't seen any of this on my feed
but it sounds like a pretty stupid idea really
but then there are lots of stupid ideas so
just seen elthams post
i retract my statement
good work make up less selfie takers!
Over £2m donated to CRUK as a result of this now.
Pretty incredible. And people are donating to other charities too. DiS really misses the mark sometimes eh.ElthamsmateOwen and no-class this'd this
I think there probably are people using it perhaps in the wrong way
but I think the overwhelming majority (To be fair I've only seen 4 or 5 and they have all done this) are posting pictures with links and text numbers, which can only be good, right?
Let's get really, REALLY meta on this
All this super horrible cynicism that we should all feel terrible about because there's been a massive spike in text donations to Cancer Research UK in the last day or so ... How much is the super horrible cynicism specifically the reason that people have been donating?
All anecdotal innit, but yesterday morning I had maybe a dozen people in my feed posting makeup-less selfies. Literally no mention of donations.
A few hours later, my feed was full of people decrying the pointlessness of posting selfies, posting links to ways to donate or articles that did the same.
A little while later, and my feed had a fair few people posting selfies and then mentioning donations.
I'd happily wager that super horrible cynicism was at the root of loads of donations, and likely shamed a fair few people into donating themselves.
Pegfeet and umlaut_ampersand this'd this
Yeah but then...it still worked.
That's what it keeps coming back to.
Couldn't give a shit, mate
Just defending my right to be a cynical splash whenever the hell I wantalcxxk this'd this
So we should just have a Be a Horrible Cynic for Breast Cancer day?
(I'm doing this now if anyone wants to shove a few quid in the tin)DanielKelly this'd this
Yeah, seeing more links to CRUK as time goes on
I think a lot of those doing it early on were the types that had to be the first to jump on board the new social networking craze without really thinking about what it was for. I guess they got it out there, at least.
Aside from the cause, it's nice to see what people look like au naturel
Some people I know who are always caked in make-up look much more attractive without it.
Yeah I'm sure it certainly contributed, and the CRUK connection might have indeed started that way.
but there wouldn't have been anything to be cynical about in the first place if people hadn't started doing it.
I'm not complaining or moaning.
I think it's wonderful- the cog of nauseating earnestness greased by the wheel of monotonous cynicism. That's team work.
sure el knows more on this than I do
but there's a lot work been done to say that the more obnoxious and "boastful" people are in sharing information about what they've donated, the more other people in turn donate, no?
I'm a big believer in the fundraising power of shame.
Def remember reading something on telephone solicitation (weyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
where fundraisers massively increased donations by say "on our last call, [name] donated [highamount], now what can we put you down for?"
I will never, ever give money to a company that tries to guilt me with a talking fucking puppy though.
- DarwinDude and cocodaLOL this'd this
Shall we talk about the disproportionate amount of funding/awareness campaigning
for cancer compared to like, strokes and heart attacks?
Not for the purposes of starting an argument, just because it's sort of weird and interesting. Please note, I have no figures to back anything up, so don't ask.
Raise stroke awareness!
Post a picture of yourself mast ... Actually, just give them the money.
would this not be because
there could be a cure to work towards for cancer?
Don't care
just wanted to keep all the dickheads tied up in this thread for a bit longercocodaLOL this'd this
It depends on what you mean by cure
Cancer as a disease is always mutating. You can stop it in its tracks but it will often come back.
Stroke, e.g., doesn't have a cure as such, but there are pioneering new techniques in development just now which can reverse the effects completely or almost completely in a great many cases, to restore motor function and other functoins which can be lost if not treated. More funding is needed for these though.
I'm absolutely happy with people doing something for charity
or taking photos of themselves for whatever reason. Or whether they wear make-up or not. Or whether people feel insecure without make-up or not.
What is really pissing me off today is seeing men posting 'You all look so beautiful without make-up girls! You don't need make-up anyway, you look much better without it.' I even saw some guy on my Facebook saying 'I think make-up often aggravates the skin problems it is intended to cover up.' FUCK RIGHT OFF. I choose to wear make-up to decorate my face. I like to co-ordinate sparkly eyeshadow colours with my outfit each day. Wearing make-up makes me feel smart and ready for the day. I often go out without it but I don't feel as fancy then. I appreciate that people wear it or not wear it for a whole variety of reasons, and that everyone has personal preferences about make-up styles they like to look at, but I don't need some dickhead implying (One Direction-style) that I'd look much more beautiful without make-up and I just need to stop feeling insecure.ElthamsmateOwen and DarwinDude this'd this
can't tell if this is agreement or disagreement with me
obviously it's cool for people to compliment underneath the photos and tell the person in the picture that they look nice! But to write Facebook statuses telling 'women' as a group that they look better without make-up and they should all wear less of it is top level bellendery.
sean, I think DiS is broken
People aren't instantly recognising Simpsons quotes
ha, I only recognise them
if I've seen guntrip post them a million times on here! I've seen an average amount of Simpsons episodes I reckon, but don't know many quotes.
slight tangent
I was sort of thinking the other day about how it would pan out in some alternate universe where guys wore makeup. Clearly we'd have massively geeky what-car style magazine that exhaustively listed and ranked all current types/brands of makeup, magazine shows dedicated to it, etc etc.
I'm just the most fun sometimes huh
can see scope for
a lot of nerdery about matt finishes and the like! And chemical composition analysis.
brilliant work.splitterwill and plasticniki this'd this
Oh oh, you don't know you're beautiful
I agree though. Anything meaning charities get money is on the whole is good. And this cleverly plays up to people's need to seek validation, to show off on Facebook (so many women clearly posting the best of 25 selfies in different poses and lighting where it's "oh I just snapped myself and posted it" so it kinda defeats the object in the first place). But of course, it does also mean it's undeniably irritating.
It's almost as bad as all those "what game of thrones / planet / peep show character / total twat are you?" quizzes that people are taking then sharing on FB.
well said
The comments from men in my feed (I sooo need to do a friends clear out0 have been distinctly either
1. what you say above. Smarmy and patroning. or
2. making reference to the fact they hadn't realised how many swamp hogs they had amongst their female friends- 'GET IT BACK ON GIRLS, YA HOWLERS' is what one particular dick said. Amusingly, he got called out by his mum on the comments thread, who said 'Paul, this is rich coming from you as I remember shortly after giving birth to you, the midvies were trying to push you back inside.' OWNED By yer maw.
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that's amazing :DDD
Does anyone else notice that when there's some kind of social media trend
You always get one or two attention-starved jokers trying to start their own, which fizzles out in a couple of days?
Over the last couple of days I've seen 'ballnominate' (get your scrotums out for testicular cancer awareness or something) and a 'socks on cocks' one (cue lardy tosspot naked apart from eponymous sock). I should really stop going on FB at work.
I've only had two, both from Irish relatives
Irish relatives FUCKING LOVE this kind of shitDanielKelly this'd this
all this stuff about raising £1m in a day for CRUK
is this extra revenue because, given they have annual donations of about £500m, a £1m day isn't unusual
£1m/£2m a day is very unusual
in terms of purely unsolicited donations from the public. Most of CRUK's money comes from a combination of Race for Life, money left by people in their will, grants and direct debits. The idea that charities just receive millions every day by people calling/texting in is a nonsense.
That and the bloke here who works for CRUK has mentioned upthread that it's `extra` income so... there you go.
I've now seen two completely naked guys,
save for a sock.
please god, no.Verbal this'd this
me too
I for one will be donating.
the first one was hilarious
(a fairly large friend of mine who is covered in ridiculous tattoos), the second one was just some guy showing off.
both the ones I saw
were just buff gym-bod guys showing off.
also men with makeup on.
I've seen MANY of these make-up less selfies
I don't have an issue with them or the 'campaign' but it feels a bit pressurey(?) to nominate people to give to charity.
I agree
I'm not stingy but i'm quite targetted in how I spend the money I put aside for charities and I hate feeling pushed into it. I haven't donated anything because I already give to this charity. I might make a spontaneous donatoin to another one instead, and at least feel like i have a degree of self determination left.
The interesting thing is...
...this thing hasn't come from a particular charity. Fuck knows where it's come from. But I've seen CRUK, Breast Cancer Care and Breakthrough all using social media to encourage donations to their causes...
I guess that people have been mostly tagging CRUK in their posts is because they're the biggest ones I suppose.
I know. it was nice that CRUK posted some thank yous on FB. They must have been like WTF?
I'll maybe do one to marie curie, which is the palliative charity. They looked after my grandma.
Donating to a charity of your choice
which you have a personal connection with/affectation for is always a wise move :)Matt_was_taken this'd this
- chris-budget, umlaut_ampersand, Royter-Hatfood, and badmanreturns this'd this
Click Like button
then leave a comment saying "Wow you're so much more beautiful without makeup #truebeauty"
this is really starting to get on my tits
when i actually do go without makeup, people say stuff like "you look tired" "are you ill?" etc.
also hate the assumption that women only wear make-up to look good for men/other people. even if i'm just sitting in my house eating doughnuts all day I prefer to have make-up on cause it makes me feel better. in the same way I wear clothes that I like FOR ME.ElthamsmateOwen this'd this
I feel a bit make up shamed :(
is that a thing?
definitely a thing
it's crap seeing so many people telling you you shouldn't do something you enjoy.
yeah maybe
its kinda how I feel. not annoyed at specific people or anything but the general attitude seems to be like "LOOK you don't need makeup after all!" as if I was only wearing it for pleasing other people or something.
My attitude is
you can where whatever the fuck you like on your own face, for whatever reason you like.
Not sure if that helps or not but, y'know.
What if I wanted to paint a swastika on my forehead?
That cool with you?
Aw ^ look at this clever trevor.
Nothing as incisive as disregarding the context something was said in to made a meaningless point. But inkeeping with the spirit of this thread, if it makes you feel better then you do whatever you like fella :)
^ this to the second bit
really having to restrain myself from arguing with guys on Facebook telling women they're being conned by the make-up industry and that they should stop wearing it because it's a waste of money.
Re your first bit - my sister didn't wear make-up to work once because she was a bit tired after a festival, and she got sent home sick because she 'looked ill and pale' :D Good trick.
some gingers look like they actually genuinely may have died sans makeup
maybe ginger boys should start using a bit of slap?
*mental image: Tim Minchin*
ok forget that
I don't look quite dead
just really different. sometimes I do think I look good without makeup but it's quite unusual. normally after getting a lot of sleep/exercise/couple of whiskeys.
I'm on the verge of getting cosmetic help for my terrifying eyebags (tm)
appaz exercise and sleep helps but grumblegrumblegrumble
caffeine under eye roller
srsly, tightens everythign and reduces dark circles too.
like this (garnier do one too)
Not trying to cause an argument here, genuinely interested
Why would the make-up make you feel better? Is it not more comfortable to not wear it?
you don't feel different when wearing different clothes?
Some people even feel naked/vulnerable without it - it's about the decision of the person wearing it - no one else.
If someone has the confidence to roll out of bed, feel fabulous and face the day - that's great! But if someone else feels better after doing their hair and putting on make-up then that's great too.
I don't like lazing about in PJs when around the house, not even if I'm not going out. I guess it's similar to that. Speaking as a former teenage goth though, wearing make-up is quite physically uncomfortable...
Its not physically uncomfortable.
I wouldn't wear it if it was!
For me, it makes me feel way more confident.
My skin is red and has some spot scarring so it creates a nice even base and makes me look a nice healthy glowing colour rarther than very pale, all my red marks making me think I look crap (others may disagree but its my face) so if I think I look good, I feel 100 x better about myself...therefore more confident to talk to people etc.
It just changes your whole look! Its AMAZING. Some days I can have minimal eyes, some days I can have big eyes, some days my lips can look pale and thin, other days my lips can look beesting and colourful. It just has the ability to make me feel....pretty. I don't think i'm repulsive without make up and I 100% would and do go out the house without it on, but I don't feel myself around people I vaguely know without it on.
Its not more comfortable to go without it imo. Without make up, my skin is so dry and ew. I use a tinted moisturizer which helps hydrate my skin all day so it doesnt' get dry.
also same applied for my hair
I don't HAVE to do my hair but I fucking LOVE doing my hair and having amazing hair makes me feel amazing.badmanreturns, plasticniki, DarwinDude, and ElthamsmateOwen this'd this
I rarely leave the house without 'doing' my hair, and I barely have any
Just feel better about myself having 'done' it.
anyone got any advice on shading in some cheekbones
whilst having to work around a beard?
asking for a friend.
You need to use a darker shade
just under the cheekbone, sweeping up gradually onto it and then a highlighter just above the countour of the cheekbone. then you kind of 'puff' a natural rosy shade with a big brush right onto the apple of your cheeks, then blend. It will look so cute with a beard.
See what U made me do?
I wanna look good 4 U
Don't care
I always comb my hair
I wanna make it good 4 U
Make-up {x4}
If I wear a dress
He will never call
So I'll wear much less
I guess I'll wear my camisole
Make-up {x4}
Smoke a cigarette
I'm not ready yet
Smoke a cigarette
I'm not ready yet
two women in my office over lunch yesterday
went over how they wouldn't do it because they would 'look rough/dead/etc' and then both went through their friends on fb who had done it to show how bad people looked without make up.
I do not fit in here.
my main thought is I think a lot of these make-up less
people are doing it in a vogue shoot kind of way, as in they still have a bit of foundation and some lip gloss but not the full bang
also a lot of moody lighting and waaaaaaaaaaaay too much 'loungewear'
Exmples of extreme cheating I have seen:
Holding a small pet up in front of your face
Wearing big glasses
dim light/ instagrma sepia shot
definite hint of tinted mnioisturiser and smudges of eyeliner on the vast majority.
Which is relaly all the moer depressing, because don't cheat at it if you're going to do it. the only plausible reasons for cheating are:
1. you wnat to take part but are super insecrure about doing it honestly or
2. you are a fucking narcissist who wnats people to go- omg you are still so pretty without makeup.
Thank god the fad has raised so much money because i still find every other thing about it completely depressing.
further to some of the recent discussion in this thread
this can never be reiterated too many times
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/327/726/478.jpgElthamsmateOwen, commandercool, gonad, no-class, zxcvbnm-, imaperv, and PickledOeuf this'd this
also to follow on from general makeup chat
i wear pretty minimal/'natural'-looking makeup, to the extent that some people don't realise i even wear makeup, but i also feel exceptionally unattractive without it (even moreso now that i've seen how hot all my fbook friends look without makeup obv). above and beyond the general reasons of self-confidence etc discussed upthread, which i fully agree with, i want to acknowledge that there is also actually the fact that i want to get laid once in a while, and quite frankly i 100% refuse to believe that any of those 'GURLS U R SO PRETTIER NATURELLL' dudes would actually find me more attractive without makeup (whether i would want them to: different question). what they *actually* prefer is not makeupless faces. what they actually prefer is a) women who happen to be blessed with beautiful faces and good skin (because obviously), and b) women who manage to create the illusion of being blessed with beautiful faces and good skin WITHOUT making the grave mistake of ruining the illusion by being too obvious about all that boring girly beauty work that they have to put in to achieve that illusion. put the work in, but we don't wanna know about it.
this is all a bit stream-of-consciousness
but yeah basically i don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using makeup to make your face look a bit nicer EVEN IF one of the main reasons is to appeal to the sex of your preference. the problem is that it's only women who feel the need to/are expected to do so. there are definitely plenty of men who could look hotter with a bit of makeup.
It's interesting that all the women in this thread seem very pro-makeup despite their politics
Saying 'I'm doing it for me' is fine, like I said I used to be partial to a swipe of eyeshadow, but it does kind of gloss over the machinations of the beauty industry and the historical pressure for women to spend lots of time on personal grooming for societal acceptance, that you'd imagine modern women would prefer to be free of the shackles of. No?
see ma subsequent post
those things are all important and deserve to be addressed, but the general point is that dudes going 'BUT YOU'RE ALL SO LOVELY WITHOUT MAKEUP' - when most of the time, what they realistically mean is 'i personally prefer women blessed with stunning natural beauty/i personally prefer my women in makeup that is not too obvious to the naked eye' - isn't particularly helpful or liberating
i'm also gonna just go right ahead and do a JAG
with an article i wrote years ago BECAUSE IT IS ENTIRELY RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2011/12/in_defence_of_fake
oh man now you all know my name
don't stalk me plz
is it different when women are doing it?
i mean i think its possible that men are just saying it to try to positively reinforce others, however misguided the way they do it might be? im not sure in the context of this 'movement' a man saying something like your quote (which people of 'both' sexes are writing on facebook) equates to them meaning theyre more sexually attracted to a woman when they dont wear make up. i could be well off the mark of course..
i guess i haven't actually seen enough of these to know the general trend
i'm going partly off stuff that's been mentioned in this thread - i absolutely don't think there's anything wrong with anyone giving individual compliments to people who've posted the selfies; i'm talking about wide sweeping pronouncements like (to quote nice_squirrel above) 'You all look so beautiful without make-up girls! You don't need make-up anyway, you look much better without it.'
i haven't seen any women making sweeping statements like that
(presumably partly because they themselves intend to continue wearing makeup so it would be a pretty hypocritical thing to say) - maybe you have, idk. i agree it's probably generally intended as well-meaning 'positive reinforcement' but i also think that in practical terms it's unhelpful and patronising. saying 'you look much better without it' is very directly putting it in terms of being more attracted to women - not one individual woman, ALL women - when they 'don't' wear makeup, which again as i've mentioned is probably largely bullshit; i'm gonna take a shot in the dark and say that the majority of those participating in this thing aren't the girls who have skin problems or other facial issues that they're deeply insecure about, and to make a false pronouncement about ALL WOMEN 'not needing' makeup isn't dead helpful for those of us who actually *would* be considered unattractive by those same people making the pronouncements
sure, i get where youre coming there
in regards to be it patronising. i dont agree with you completely on how negative you view the intent, nor it necessarily always being false, but i can appreciate how it could read and i dont have the experience of those statements being directed at me. my sentences go on for too long
there's a big difference between
being against the ridiculous capitalist machine that is the beauty industry per se, and make-up itself as a product.
As a matter of sexual fact, we all preen for the opposite sex in one way or another. Before makeup was around,. women would pinch their cheeks to increase the blood flow and bite their lips to make them swell and redded. (both being signs of sexual arousal in women and sublinial preening triggers.) Now make-up has moved on to fashion as well as sexual preening, and just as you might decide you want to dye your hair lilac (not known to bring the msle of the species running towardsd your ovum) you might decide that you like bright coral lips- a fashion statement which makes your face look bold, but not necessarily designed to mimic seduction, not being a natural shade.
I am a bit hungover and in a rush, but does that make any sense?
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I don't really read that as telling someone what to do
Feeling a certain way isn't really DOING something.
"Don't tell me what to do" comes across as railing against being ordered around, which the twat young boy's sign isn't doing.
that picture is pretty cringeworthy
even manages to make me irritated by his shit grammar which really don't care about in non-'formal' situations
lots of people linking to this and similar articles now
I don't even know where to start with that.
"What is true for animals may not hold for humans. This makes all of the billions of dollars spent on research virtually worthless because most cancer experiments are ran on animal models."
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
It just gets more ridiculous as it goes along. And the comments underneath...Epimer this'd this
Some of the biggest load of bullshit I have seen on the internet
And I've seen a lot of the internet....
I really resent this
Like posting a photo of yourself without makeup is something to admire. My sister 'nominated' me for this and I just directed her towards all of the pictures I've ever been tagged in.
I didn't get nominated (people probably sense my seething resentment/I HAVE NAE PALS), however, like you, I don't wear makeup unless it's for a night out/special occasion and I rarely take 'selfies' (even hate the word) so this whole exercise seemed a bit patronising for the many women out there who don't wear makeup all the time/need a reason to photograph themselves without it.
Anddddd the next wave begins.
Cock in a sock pic for testicular cancer. My brother just posted his (horrific) and nominated me. No chance in hell, pal.
quite enjoyed ^that
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Pageant sketches
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| A Flower Grows
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| Let's Make a Face
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| She'll Be Comin' 'Round the Mountain
| Cookie Monster, playing the heroine in this year's pageant, can't seem to grasp the concept of going "around" something (he instead goes over, under, and through) until Prairie gets an idea and lures him with a cookie.
| The Life of a Butterfly
|A little girl (Kathryn Mullen) plays piano in Prairie Dawn's place, with Ernie as a stage hand. Two Anything Muppet kids play some eggs on a stick, Bert plays the caterpillar who hatches from an egg, and Herry Monster sprouts out as the butterfly.
| Tooth
|The cast demonstrates how to keep your teeth clean. Bert plays the role of the tooth. Herry Monster is a germ (complete with a black coat and moustache). Ernie and Grover come to the rescue in the roles of the toothbrush and toothpaste. Cookie Monster enters the stage with a bucket in his hands, demonstrating how to rinse afterwards. Luckily, when he throws the contents over Bert, the bucket turns out to be filled with confetti.
| Feelings
|Prairie Dawn presents a pageant about feelings. Bert dresses as Cupid to represent love -- but his lines don't ring true. Instead, he sings his own song, "That's Love". He sings that to him, love means pigeons, oatmeal, his little nephew Brad -- and even his best friend Ernie. After the song, Bert complains about his costume and how he is always humiliated in many pageants. Ernie points out to the viewers that "He should have been Angry."
| The Four Seasons
| Grover plays stage manager (and prop man) for Prairie's play, though he keeps making mistakes and eventually falls from the rafters. Bert presents a snowman for winter, while Herry, with a flower pot, explains spring. Ernie, wearing sunglasses and wielding a beach ball, represents summer, and Cookie Monster wears a (delicious) tree costume for fall.
| Food We Eat
|Prairie Dawn plays piano for a pageant about food. Elmo plays an asparagus (a role that would, years later, be performed by Telly). Herry Monster is stuck in a fish costume that's "three sizes too small" and was made by his mom. Leo the Party Monster portrays a potato (mentioning that potato chips make a great party food). Telly, in the role of milk, carries a full pitcher of milk on his head and is concerned about spilling it. When he proudly concludes he managed to say his lines without making a mess, Herry tells him to take a bow. Telly does so, and gets the milk all over Prairie's hair!
| How a seed grows
|In a play similar to the earlier flower pageant, Gladys the Cow stars as a seed. Ernie plays the rain and Herry Monster the sun, whose attentions cause the seed to bloom into a flower.
| Computer
|Prairie Dawn hosts a pageant on the Street with Forgetful Jones as the keyboard, Elmo as the monitor and Telly as a floppy disk.
| Milk
|This pageant shows where milk comes from, with Elmo as a glass, Telly, the Big Bad Wolf and a Little Pig as three different sized quarts of milk, Gladys as the cow, and Herry Monster as the grass.
| Island
|Telly, Ruby and Herry appear in a pageant about islands.
| Heavy and Light
|Prairie hosts an pageant about heavy and light, where Monty shows heavy with a large boulder and Merry Monster shows light with a feather.
|Growing Vegetables
|In this pageant which is set in the garden section of Sesame Street everyone gathers around for the "Growing Vegetables." Elmo comes out dressed as a radish, Big Bird comes out dressed as corn with the husk on. Then Snuffy comes out dressed as his favorite vegetable, a cabbage.
Featured pageants
| "The Night Before Christmas"
|Ernie narrates the pageant, with Rowlf the Dog on piano. Bert reluctantly plays Mama, Grover plays a mouse, The Two-Headed Monster plays Santa Claus, and various monsters play reindeer.
| Seasons
|Tim Robbins performs the seasons in Prairie Dawn's pageant.
| Best Friends
|Prairie Dawn decides to direct a best friends pageant, but all of the best friends on Sesame Street start arguing with each other.
| Little Red Riding Hood and the Oat Bran Cookies
|Prairie Dawn directs a play called, "Little Red Riding Hood and the Oat Bran Cookies."
| Healthy Food
|Prairie Dawn decides to put on a "Healthy Food Pageant." Prairie plays the piano while everyone else dresses up like different foods and sings about the foods' health benefits. Zoe sings about potatoes and Rosita sings about tortillas. Telly is just about to go on as an asparagus, but he just isn't feeling the part as he has never tasted one. Another problem arises right before Elmo is about to make his broccoli debut - he can't find his costume!
| The Nativity
|A pageant of the Nativity story is presented by Prairie Dawn and the Sesame Street cast. In the pageant, Natasha plays baby Jesus, with Bert as Joseph, Rosita as Mary, Zoe as an angel, and Herry, Grover and Cookie Monster as the Three Kings.
Pageants in other media
| A Christmas Pageant
|In this audio skit, everyone votes for Bert to play a Christmas tree in Prairie Dawn's Christmas pageant (against Bert's will, of course).
| "The Little Red Hen"
|Bert stars as the hen with Herry Monster as the pig, Ernie as the dog, Cookie Monster as the cow, and Grover as the sheep.
| The Sesame Street Weather Play
|Snuffy is cast as the Sun, but is initially too shy to come out. Also in the cast are Bert as Snow, Ernie as Rain, and Cookie Monster as Wind.
| Jack and the Beanstalk pageant
|Prairie Dawn asks Grover to help her to create the beanstalk for the play.
| Thanksgiving pageant
|Prairie Dawn presents a Thanksgiving play for the month of November.
| Feelings pageant
|Prairie Dawn presents a pageant about feelings, with participation from Grover, Cookie Monster, Big Bird, the Amazing Mumford, Elmo, Telly Monster, and Shelley the Turtle, amongst others. The majority of this pageant did not involve costumes.
| Job pageant
|In this Sesame Street Live show, the entire play is presented as a pageant, with the characters portraying their ideal occupation.
| Sing a Song of Sixpence pageant
|Cookie Monster plays the queen who is eating bread and honey in the famed nursery rhyme.
| Jack and the Beanstalk pageant
|Ernie takes on the character of Jack, while Bert plays the beanstalk.
| Cinderella pageant
|Prince Charming tries the glass slipper on Prairie Dawn, who plays Cinderella.
| Goldilocks and the Three Bears pageant
|Ernie, Bert, and Herry Monster played the The Three Bears while Prairie Dawn took on the title role of Goldilocks.
| Little Miss Muffet pageant
|The Nursery Rhyme tale of Little Miss Muffet and a spider, played by Stanley.
| Ali Baba and his Forty Thieves pageant
|Ernie takes on the role of Ali Baba in this story from One Thousand and One Nights.
| Peter and the Wolf pageant
|In this book and tape set, the Sesame characters present the story of Sergei Prokofiev's Peter and the Wolf.
| The Nutcracker pageant
|In this Sesame Street coloring book, the classic tale of the Nutcracker is shown.


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18 December 2012, New York, USA – On behalf of this year's international migrants day, the UNITAR New York Office,in collaboration with the International Organization for Migration and the United Nations Populations Fund, with financial support of the Mac Arthur Foundation, organized two panel discussions treating the challenges of migration for two of the most vulnerable groups: adolescents and women. Opened jointly by Ms.Yvonne Lodico, Head of the UNITAR New York Office, Ms. Amy Muedin, Programme Specialist at the Office of the Permanent Observer of the IOM to the UN, and Ms. Ann Pawliczko, Senior Project Adviser at UNFPA, the panels featured experts and experienced practitioners from the academic and the NGO sector. With these two panels the Workshop Series on Migration and Development, carried out by UNITAR NYO, IOM and UNFPA during the last six years came to an end.
The morning panel titled "Migration and Sustainable Development – Youth and Adolescents on the Move" not only discussed the special needs of children and adolescents affected by migration, but also tackled the gaps in legislation making it difficult to ensure migrant children's rights. Mr. Emeka Obiezu O.S.A., Director of Augustinians Internationalat the United Nations, pointed out the invisibility of adolescent and children migrants in national legislation. While there are still over 3 million migrants between 14 and 19 years old, national migration law in most countries does not take into account children under the age of 18 and immigration courts do not have special procedures for children. Therefore, to close this protection gap, it must be ensured that countries integrate the provisions from international conventions and treaties on the protection of children in national migration law. One step into this direction is currently undertaken by Terre des Hommes. The organization has recently launched a campaign titled "Destination Unknown – Protecting Children on the Move", which Dr. Eva Sandis, Chair of the UN NGO Committee on Migration, presented during the panel discussion. One core message of the campaign is the call to focus on the variety of scenarios by which migration affects children and adolescents: Not only children migrating with their parents often suffer from a lack of support and protection, but also the children left behind when one parent or both have to emigrate in order to earn the family's living.
In the afternoon, Dr. Jeronimo Cortina, Assistant Professor of Political Science at the University of Houston, Ms. Elizabeth Gibbons from the FXB Center for Health and Human Rights at Harvard Universityand Sr. Mary Jo Toll, the Representative to the UN for the Sisters of Notre Dame de Namur, shed light on the effects of migration on education and on the empowerment of women. Even though the percentage of women migrants, currently being a 49% of total migrants, has remained steady over the last decades, patterns of female migration have changed. More and more women migrate independently, and not just, as it used to be the case, accompanying their husbands. As a consequence, women today play an important role in immigrant communities as promoters and multipliers of education and health care for women and engaging in social and cultural activities. Thus, education and empowerment of young migrant women is crucial for creating healthy and well integrated immigrant communities, Sr. Mary Jo Toll pointed out. Especially women's engagement in organizing educational activities for first or second generation migrant children is important in face of the fact that children who do not speak the school instruction language at home often face severe learning difficulties and generally show a poorer performance at school that those who speak the instruction language at home, as Mr. Cortina explained. According to a recent study, left behind children and adolescents show a lower performance in school and due to emotional problems, the absence of parental support and, this applies especially to girls, the need to engage in household activities. Ms. Gibbons further stressed the importance of providing empowerment and education not only to migrant women and children, but also to those left behind when men emigrate.


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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Democrats on Wednesday introduced a bill to eliminate billions of dollars in tax benefits enjoyed by big oil and gas companies, one day after President Barack Obama renewed his call for plugging tax loopholes in his State of the Union address.
Obama and fellow Democrats for years have targeted oil and gas tax breaks, a move that Republicans and some Democrats from oil-producing states fiercely oppose.
The measure focuses on provisions such as immediate expensing for drilling costs and the use of a tax break for manufacturing.
A bill to end these benefits died in the Democratic-controlled Senate last year, with four Democrats voting to block it. This year's plan is unlikely to move forward in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives.
Sponsored by Senate Democrat Robert Menendez of New Jersey and with more than a dozen co-sponsors, the bill would curb breaks used by the "big five" oil companies: Exxon Mobil Corp, BP Plc, ConocoPhillips, Chevron Corp and Royal Dutch Shell Plc.
Ending the breaks would raise $24 billion over a decade to help reduce the federal deficit, its backers say. Some Democrats want to use money to stave off $85 billion in automatic spending cuts set to kick in on March 1.
"The industry is often thrown out there as a short-term revenue grab," Brian Johnson, a tax adviser for the American Petroleum Institute, said this week. "You will get revenue in the short-term. But the long-term economic consequences are a dramatic loss of revenue from our industry."
(Additional reporting by Patrick Temple-West; Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh and Xavier Briand)


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Gadzooks! Ye not be Isaac Newton are ye?
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Orangekrush90 wrote:beagle wrote:No problem. He was famous, but a long time ago. Have you worked out what type of pirate you are yet?
Oh, yeah. I'm a pirate-ninja. I get the best of both worlds this way.
Orangekrush90 wrote:Although Cap'n Morgan does brew a tasty rum!
LibraLabRat wrote:My noble ancestor Jean Lafitte was a pirate.
He was not the long tongued rocker Gene Simmons of Kiss.
Nor was he Richard Simmons (aka cinamon) of exercise video and flamboyant ambiguity fame.
ANd if any of you lubbers insinnuate that me pirate kin are such flipping flitty lubbers again, I will have the lot of you marrooned on Manhattan Island wearing nothing but 23 dollars worth of beads!
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It appears that we have not been told the truth about the Battle of New Bern.
It appears that we have not been told the truth about the Battle of New Bern.
Recently discovered documents dated April 1 from the Abraham Lincoln Collection at the prestigious Mary Surratt School in Washington, D.C., proves that what has been passed down in history as a battle is really a lie created by the actual participants of both sides to avoid embarrassment.
In reality, no blood was spilled in the engagement, although both armies were faced off against one another along the battle line stretching from Fort Thompson west on March 14, 1862.
Heading the Southern forces was General Lawrence O�Bryan Branch; the North was generaled, of course, by Ambrose Burnside, who had sailed up the Neuse River with 13 regiments protected by 14 gunboats.
As history has passed it down to us, the two sides battled it out for several hours until the Confederate line was broken at a brick kiln, putting Yankees within and even behind the Rebel line. The defenders were forced to retreat, and New Bern was in Union hands. Casualties, we are told, included 90 killed Union soldiers and 64 dead Confederates.
The night before the battle it had rained, soaking both sides to the skin � this is also an admitted fact. But this is the only point where the battle that has been falsely passed down to history has any resemblance to the truth.
As it turns out, the inexperienced soldiers of both forces discovered, come morning, that their powder had been soaked, leaving their guns useless. The Confederates had no additional powder to fall back on and feared they were helpless.
However, the Union side was in no better shape. Sending men to Admiral Stephen C. Rowan, who was commander of his gunboats, Burnside quickly found out that his additional powder had been ordered from Robert and James Johnson, two brothers. Johnson and Johnson had just turned from arms manufacturing to pharmaceuticals and had sent Burnside 1,000 kegs of talcum.
At first, each side tried to keep its lack of ammunition secret from the other. The rebels tried slapping sticks together and blowing up paper bags to make the sound of rifles while the better-equipped Yankees replied by popping an early form of bubble wrap.
A lack of casualties left both sides suspicious, and soon both Branch and Burnside were told by their scouts the other side�s true condition.
Each general would later report, in secret missives to their presidents, that they had been unwilling to open themselves to the ridicule of the enemy by admitting their quandary. Union Gen. Jesse E. Reno�s wife, Janet, who was traveling on one of the transports, suggested that Burnside meet in secret with Branch and decide the battle over a game of poker, with each betting regiments and companies instead of chips.
Burnside was a cardshark famous for his addiction to gambling � he�d grown his famous �muttonchop� sideburns as the price of losing a bet in Rhode Island. Branch refused at first, thinking it would be better to throw the armies at each other in a giant game of �King of the Hill.� But, learning that his side was heavily outnumbered, he agreed to cards.
The generals� seconds � Harry K. Burgwyn for Branch and Reno for Burnside � would each record a tense and exciting game, but we don�t have time to go into every play. Suffice it to say that Branch played his best and bluffed well, but his inexperience at cards finally cost him as Burnside won the entire pot, beating Branch�s full house of three kings and two queens with his own full house � two kings and three aces�an ace of hearts and two aces of spades. The Confederates were forced to march out of town.
The embarrassment of both sides was so great that they agreed to invent a battlefield story, deciding their �casualty numbers� based on the number of men who�d shown up drunk for roll call on either side that day. For casualties, each side buried men who�d died from diseases in either camp over the previous three months.
As a kind of subtle protest by the humiliated Southern soldiers, each of their privates was buried with a deck of cards in his breast pocket and, in the pocket of a buried captain, an early version Nintendo Gameboy featuring the game �Yankee Invaders.�
The �official� reports were turned in and the secret, truthful reports sent by courier to Mary Surratt, who in turn sent them on by her agents to both Lincoln and Confederate president Jefferson Davis on April 1.
As to the kegs of talcum, the 44th Massachusetts regiment would later commandeer the supply to treat severe chafing after a long march, earning the nickname �The Smooth-bottom Boys.�
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For New Year's Eve (or any special occasion), you and your date don't always have food and drink first on your mind- its more about the experience and the atmosphere. That being said, just because you stay in for New Year's Eve doesn't mean the evening should lack any luster that a night on the town would offer. Think about ambiance (candles, nice place settings, music) and dress your best- the more effort you make into creating the right mood, the more special your date will feel. Here are some tips on creating a relaxed yet impressive date night at home:
- Be picky. Create a menu based on specific favorites of your date. Choose three or four courses but plan as much ahead of time as possible so you are not stressed in the kitchen the night of.
- Kick things off. Set the tone with a kick-off cocktail. Let your date know this is not your typical dinner by greeting them with a sparkling drink- Prosecco with berries. This cousin of Champagne is extravagant only in taste, not in price. Pick their favorite berry (raspberry, strawberry, blackberry) and set them out for your date to add to their glass.
- Snack while you prep. When your date first arrives, have some roasted nuts (pine nuts, almonds, pecans) tossed with some olive oil and spices like salt and cayenne pepper out to nibble on.
- Create the meal together. Invite your date to help you prepare your meals but keep the mess away from the dress!
Here is my special menu for a sexy New Year's Eve in. Remember to choose your menu based on what your date would like most!
Appetizer – Munch on these bites while you finish prepping the rest of the meal. Great to make a head of time and warm just before serving.
Herb Marinated Roasted Sweet Potato Bites
First course – Choose who is preparing the dishes and who is being served, and have the other sit down and enjoy their cocktail!
Roasted Squash Bowls with Parmesan and Ricotta Filling
Red Wine Risotto with Pancetta, Walnuts, and Goat Cheese
Short Pasta with Clams, Saffron and Winter Squash
Second Course – It's all about presentation ladies and gents! Remember the little details are always noticed.
Pistachio-Crusted Seabass with Lemon Wine Butter and Basil salad
Rack of Lamb with Red Wine Reduction and Cherries
Dessert – Finish it off with a classic recipe with an out-of-this-world twist!
Hot Chocolate Tiramisu with Caramel Bacon Sauce
I hope this menu helps you have an even happier New Year's with your match!
xoxo Chef Fabio Viviani


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Who doesn't want to relax in a pristine white hotel room….with graffiti?! Yes, you are seeing that right!
This half graffiti room called Panic Room by the artist Tilt is part of an artistic effort by the Auvieux Panier Hotel in Marseille, France. The hotel allows six different artists annually to transform six different rooms in their own signature style to create amazing atmospheres!
Panic Room is split into two: clean white walls contrasted by colorful graffiti spray painted all over the walls, floor, and even the bed! This graffiti masterpiece took a week to complete!
And yes, you can stay the night there.
Check out the other eye-popping rooms!
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Oil refiner Phillips 66 hasn't been around for long, but the bulls are already smitten.
OptionMonster's tracking systems detected the purchase of 2,500 January 45 calls yesterday for $1.05 against open interest of just 157 contracts. Later in the session, a staggering 25,000 January 49s were traded for $0.55 and $0.60 as the buying continued.
Calls(explain this) lock in the price investors must pay to own a stock. They can generate major leverage if it moves in the correct direction, but also run the risk of expiring worthless if no rally occurs.


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Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th Oct 2012 21:41 UTC
It's a long read - but totally and utterly worth it. After interviewing ten former and current Nokia employees, and combining their insider information with publicly available information, Sampsa Kurri has written a long and detailed article about the history of Maemo and MeeGo within Nokia, and everything that went wrong - which is a lot. It's sad tale, one that reads almost like a manual on how to not run a large company. Still, between the bad decisions and frustrations, there's a red thread of hope that leads to Jolla.
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Malmstrom Air Force Base, MT — The first phase of an 80,000-square-foot, $12 million fitness center at Malmstrom Air Force Base, MT, should be completed by February, the Air Force announced.
The center will have a 1/8-mile suspended indoor track, volleyball courts, weightlifting and aerobic equipment, saunas, regular locker rooms and special locker rooms for distinguished visitors. The facility's second phase will include a swimming pool and other amenities, according to the Great Falls (MT) Tribune.
The base's current fitness facility is more than 50 years old. Margaret Treland, chief of the Air Force Fitness Branch, says most Air Force fitness facilities as late as 10 years ago were more than 30 years old. Since 2000, the Air Force has been following through on an initiative to build new facilities, and there are about two or three construction projects set aside every fiscal year, Treland says.


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Event: Premiere of Farhan Akhtar's much awaited movie ROCK ON featuring Arjun Rampal, Farhan Akhtar, Luke Jenny, Purab Kohli, Koel Purie and Prachi Desai held at the IMAX theatre in Mumbai.
Guest List: Ravina Tandon, Isha Koppikar, Kunal Kohli, Irfan Khan, Farah Khan, Tanisha Mukherjee, Dino Morea, Karan Johar, Prem Chopra, Prachi Desai, Shabana Azmi, Archana Puran Singh, Parmeet Sethi, Vidhu Vinod Chopra, Tara Sharma, Divya Khosla Kumar, Bhushan Kumar, Tulsi Kumar, Ashutosh Gowarikar, Sajid Khan, Juhi Chawla, Sonali Bendre, Dimple Kapadia, Fardeen Khan, Arjun Rampal, Farhan Akhtar, Luke Kenny, Koel Puri, Goldie Behl, Purab Kohli, Shankar Mahadevan, Sunita Gowariker, Sikander Kher, Kirron Kher, Suzanne Roshan Khan, Loy Mendonca, Tina Ambani, Rohan Sippy, Manmohan Shetty, Suneeta Rao, Abhishek Kapoor, Mehr Jessia, Anil Ambani
Venue: IMAX, Mumbai.
Bollywood celeb Aamir Khan along with wife Kiran Rao were spotted at PVR.
Bollywood producers-directors Vidhu Vinod Chopra, Krishan Kumar, Ravi Bahl, Divya Khosla Kumar, Sajid Nadiadwala, Wardha Nadiadwala celebrate diwali with Bhushan Kumar
Bollywood celebs Kareena Kapoor Khan, Malaika Arora, Sonali Bendre, Nimrat Kaur among others were snapped by paparazzi.Bebo looked super cool in a casual look. She wore a white t-shirt with yoga pants...
Bollywood actress Shama Sikander celebrated Diwali festival at her residence.
Bollywood celebs Aamir Khan, Zaira Wasim, Fatima Sana Shaikh, Sanya Malhotra, Anil Kapoor, Nitesh Tiwari, Aparshakti Khurrana, Bhushan Kumar, Javed Akhtar, Shabana Azmi, Sachin Tendulkar, Rajkumar Hir...


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Terry Gilliam's films: Hits and misses
Former Monty Python member Terry Gilliam is the king of the troubled production. Sometimes he comes out on top and sometimes the movie never comes out. His behind the scenes battles with Universal Pictures over the release version of his 1985 film "Brazil" were legendary and became the basis for a nonfiction book. The film went on to gain a cult and critical following and became one of the films Gilliam rested his reputation on. His next film, "The Adventures of Baron Munchausen," did not fare as well. After cost overruns, producer and studio troubles, Gilliam's film was a rushed and unhappy affair that disappointed audiences, who stayed away in droves. Gilliam's career recovered, but he was met with disaster again in 2000, when his film "The Man Who Killed Don Quixote" was met with several on-set mishaps including the debilitating back injuries of one of his main stars (French actor Jean Rochefort). The film was eventually abandoned mid-shoot. Gilliam then embarked on "The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus" starring Heath Ledger, who died before principal photography was finished. Luckily, Jude Law, Colin Ferrell and Johnny Depp stepped in to assist Gilliam in completing the film, which earned two Academy Award nominations.
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London-based designers Martin Riddiford and Jim Reeves from therefore.com have spent 4 years developing 'GravityLight'—an eco-friendly gravity-powered lamp.
The US$5 lamp requires no batteries or fuel, and it only takes three seconds to lift a weight to power the GravityLight for half an hour.
This green lamp comes with a ballast bag, which the user has to fill with sand or rocks.
Once the bag is filled, the user can then hang it from the lamp—creating 30 minutes of light from the bag's descent.
According to the designers, they said that the GravityLight was designed to replace kerosene lamps, which are more costly and harmful to the environment.
"Burning kerosene also comes with a financial burden: kerosene for light ALONE can consume 10 to 20% of a household's income," said the designers, "This burden traps people in a permanent state of subsistence living, buying capfuls of fuel for their daily needs, as and when they can."
"The burning of kerosene for lighting also produces 244 million tons of carbon dioxide annually."
The designers are currently raising funds for the GravityLight on crowdsourcing platform Indiegogo.
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Related Posts: A Raven Above Press's Welsh Saints Project and Work in Progress: Saint Tewdrig.
I've completed my illustration of Saint Tewdrig for A Raven Above Press's Age of Saints: An Illustrated Guide to the Saints of Wales by Peter Anthony Freeman. I can't share the final version with you yet, but I thought I'd give you all an idea of the color palette. I'm so excited to see the completed book, which I believe is scheduled to be released this coming March! 😀
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Waves of Blue
William C. Raco 3/27/2006 3:55:00 AMThis is beautiful, Katrina
Bill #415981
Glenn E. Urquhart 3/27/2006 3:57:17 AMGreat eye, very impressive Image, Katrina! Cheers, Glenn. #2579276
Cindy Paquette 3/27/2006 4:02:22 AMA gorgeous abstract and well worth your effort Katrina! #2579311
Carla Metzler 3/27/2006 4:46:12 AMWondrful abstract, Katrina! #2579581
Tamera S. Phillips 3/27/2006 9:42:23 AMIsn't that the way it always is no matter who's with you? LOL. I love the colors and design! #2580528
Colette M. Metcalf 3/27/2006 1:52:56 PMGorgeous image, Katrina!!! #2581349
Judy S. Fung 3/27/2006 4:15:10 PMTerrific colors and image, Katrina! #2581732
Katrina Thorsen 3/31/2006 4:07:51 PMHi everyone! Thank you so much for all of the wonderful compliments! You keep me going. Cheers, Katrina #2595450
Rakesh Syal 3/31/2006 7:29:41 PMWhat a contemporary piece of art, Katrina!!! You have a wonderful gallery!! #2595794
Corinne M. Thompson 4/1/2006 11:52:19 AMFantastic capture...love the variations of blue. #2597668
Claudia Kuhn 4/25/2006 4:33:29 PMVery cool, congrats and good luck! #2688784
Glenn E. Urquhart 4/25/2006 4:35:38 PMCongrats, Katrina! Very much deserved! Cheers, Glenn. #2688812
Renee Doyle 4/25/2006 6:01:06 PMCongratulations on this wonderful finalist Katrina!!!
Robert R. Goodman 4/25/2006 7:46:16 PMCongratulations Katrina!!!!!! #2690245
Sue L. Cullumber 4/26/2006 3:20:10 AMKatrina, Very cool! Love the patterns - excellent! Congrats! #2691891
Katrina Thorsen 4/26/2006 4:45:55 AMThank you everyone for the wonderful support!!! #2692350
Rakesh Syal 4/26/2006 7:26:37 AMCongratulations on this teriffic finalist, Katrina!!! #2692959
Joline Frazier 4/27/2006 3:50:17 AMCongratulations on this beauty. It would certainly be my choice if I were a judge. Wonderfully seen and presented. Good luck. #2696571
Corinne M. Thompson 4/27/2006 10:01:11 AMCongrats on your Finalist! #2697990
Jennifer Rennison 4/27/2006 5:45:03 PMWonderful design, lighting and shades of blue! Congratulations on your finalist, Katrina! #2699299
William C. Raco 4/28/2006 2:38:28 PMCongratulations on the win, Katrina!
Bill #2702686
Robert R. Goodman 4/28/2006 4:05:48 PMcongratulations Katrina!!!!!!! #2703063
Judy S. Fung 4/28/2006 4:25:09 PMCongrats on your win, Katrina!! #2703144
Susana Ms Heide 4/28/2006 4:43:42 PMElements of design is my favorite category and this image is a fine example of what can be done!! CONGRATULATIONS on your win! #2703226
Renee Doyle 4/28/2006 5:49:41 PMCongratulations on this wonderful win Katrina!!!
Katrina Thorsen 4/28/2006 7:29:00 PMThank you so very, very much everyone!!! #2703801
Donna La Mattino Pagakis 4/28/2006 10:57:41 PMGorgeous graphic, love all the blue tones. Congratulations on your win! #2704129
Glenn E. Urquhart 4/29/2006 2:54:13 AMCongratulations on your winning photo, Katrina! Well deserved! Cheers, Glenn.
Corinne M. Thompson 4/29/2006 5:06:33 PMCongrats on receiving Second Place! #2706589
Colette M. Metcalf 4/30/2006 3:02:23 AMCongratulations on your win, Katrina!! Beautiful! #2707639
Rakesh Syal 4/30/2006 9:02:22 AMGreat deserved win, Katrina!!! #2708791
Jennifer Rennison 5/1/2006 10:31:34 AMCongratulations on your win, Katrina!! #2712469
Cathy M. Gromball 5/2/2006 9:32:37 AMCongratulations on your Second Place win, Katrina! Very cool!
Cathy :) #2716495
Mary N C. Taitt 5/12/2006 7:55:55 AMVERY retty, Katrina, congratulations!! Mary :-) #2755684
Roxanne M. Bubar 5/20/2006 12:32:12 PMOutstanding. Congrats. #2789864
Karen Bacon 9/19/2007 11:42:53 AMA wonderful image Katrina! A very belated congratulations! #4812475
Dee Ann Young 10/6/2007 8:22:43 PMA well deserved winner! Your entire gallery is amazing! #4891650
Katrina Thorsen 10/6/2007 9:33:49 PMHi Dee! Thank you so much! Looking forward to seeing your gallery! #4891862
Linda D. Lester 7/8/2013 3:04:59 PMI just came across this photo! Are you still a member and do you live in the Atlanta area? I have shot here many times. Let me know if you would like to shoot sometime. #10760628
Lights from the main lobby at the Georgia Aquarium.
Atlanta, GA
My kids were not as thrilled as I was watching these lights change color and looking at all the patterns. They came to see the fish, not watch mom taking a hundred pictures of some colored lights. LOL.
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Uploaded on 3/27/2006 3:36:06 AM
Camera: Canon EOS Digital Rebel XT (350D) Digital SLR Camera
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"A bend in the road is not the end of the road… unless you fail to make the turn."
Helen Keller – author and political activist
In our third Market Risk Insights of 2016, we try to add some colour to the current market risk environment as we move into an uncertain second half of the year. As predicted, the markets were prone to bouts of volatility in the second quarter, the biggest of which came when the UK voted to leave the European Union. On the back of such instability, navigating the markets is always going to require more than a simple understanding of the investment fundamentals.
Emerging markets: positive fundamentals persist after Brexit vote
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