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This is a transcript of my interview with Robert Stark about the Eliot Rodger mass shooting case. I decided to make the transcript because the audio quality was so awful that it was very hard to listen to. I really like the way this interview turned out. We talked about a lot of great things and I think it is very interesting. I believe a lot of you readers might like to read this transcript, and I think you might get something out of it. So feel free to dive in and comment if you wish.
Robert Stark Interview with Me on Eliot Rodger
Robert Stark: We were discussing this Eliot Rodger guy…for me, I live in Santa Barbara, so this was local. However, I believe that this was not just a local event – it was nationwide. When you first heard about this in the news, what was your initial reaction? Robert Lindsay: A friend of mine came to me the next day – Sunday morning – on the Internet, and he said, "There's been another shooting." He wouldn't give me any details, but then I went and looked it up, and at first I didn't know much about it, so I didn't understand what was going on. I just figured it's another mass shooting, and I didn't really understand why. Then, over the next few days, the reasons came out because he sent in his manifesto. RS: For a person to go out and shoot random people, or total strangers…well it would be one thing if someone went out and harmed someone who they knew they were angry at, but to go out and shoot random people, I think someone would have to be pretty mentally tormented. RL: I really get tired of hearing the attitude that all these people are mentally ill, and we need to treat the mentally ill better. They say, "The problem isn't guns – the problem is crazy people." But the thing is – these people are often not mentally ill at all. You don't have to be mentally ill to grab a gun and try to shoot as many people as you can. RS: I totally agree with you – I said mentally tormented, not mentally ill. Mental illness is something you are born with. Someone could start off relatively normal, but they could drive themselves insane. I think there is a distinction there. RL: Well, that is exactly what this guy did! I read his manifesto, and up until age he was 11 or 12, he was rather shy, but other than that he was very normal, very happy, very sociable young boy. He was pretty healthy in his head as a young boy, and he just got more and more unhealthy as life went on. RS: Yes, what he had was high-functioning Asperger's Syndrome. But high-functioning Asperger's Syndrome is not like schizophrenia. A lot of those people could function and be productive in society in the right environment. You read his manifesto. At what point in his life did he go from having a relatively normal childhood to where he ended up at? RL: I think it all started at age 12. And it got really bad at age 13 and on into 14 – that's when it hit him really bad. He got far gone from age 11 to age 16. He turned into a completely different person. RS: Would you say it was because of the bullying in middle school? RL: Yes! That's what did it. And he couldn't be popular. He was popular up until age 11 or so…that was the first year of middle school. In that year, it was ok…and the girls were nice to him. In elementary school, there were certain requirements to be popular, and they were not hard for him to live up to, but then it started changing. Now it wasn't like this when I was in 7th grade, but in 7th and 8th grade for Eliot, it was all about the guys who are liked by girls – the guys who are popular with the girls. And the girls were only hanging out with some of the guys, certain of the guys. The girls were all flocking to a few of the guys – the Alphas or whatever. When he first started junior high, he was pretty popular, but after a while, all the popular kids started shunning him and making fun of him, and all the girls started ridiculing him. People were tormenting him, every single day, all day long. He would have to hide in a corner of the hallway until the hallways cleared, and that was the only way he could even get to class because people would run up to him and throw him into the lockers, or they would run up to him and steal his books out of his arms, and he would have to go chase them. They'd call him "faggot" and "weirdo." RS: Do you think it is worse today in that regard than when you were in high school? RL: Bullying wasn't that bad when I was in high school. But middle school was crazy! I wasn't one of the ones who got bullied all the time. I got bullied to some extent, but…I was one of the bullies too. It was bully or be bullied. I wasn't one of the real popular kids, but I wasn't one of the rejects either. I had a lot of friends! But I wasn't one of the cool kids, that's for sure. But I wasn't so dorky that all the cool kids were beating up on me. The only ones who were beating up on me were these totally scummed out sociopath types. This one guy who hated me…we actually had a fight, a fistfight in the 8th grade. But then I had a whole bunch of friends who were my guys, and they weren't losers, but they weren't the popular kids either. They were cool people. I hung out with them, and they were my buddies. I had this great big wide circle of friends. And then we tormented the geeked out guys. I would get together with one of my friends, and we would torment one of those nerdy guys. RS: If you remember the Columbine shooting – was that the main reason that shooting happened? RL: I believe the shooters were bullied. There was not a whole lot of bullying going on at my high school. There were a few guys who were totally geeked out – I mean insanely geeked out. They were the biggest geeks in the whole school. They were so geeked out that if you saw them walking across the quad even from 100 yards away, if you'd never seen them before, you would say, "Whoa! What a geek!" You know? These guys were like circus freaks. RS: What's the deal with Asperger's anyway? People keep using the term to mean anyone who is introverted. RL: Yes, that's really wrong. If you have any problems connecting to other people, if you have any social problems such as social phobia, if you have problems talking to people, problems relating to people…they automatically say you have Asperger's! And that is completely wrong, 100 RS: So what are the actual symptoms of Asperger's? RL: I don't know! I mean…they're weird, yes. But they are weird in certain particular ways, and they are introverted in particular ways. I think maybe I met one Aspie in my whole life, but I wasn't able to confirm that he was an Aspie. Well, he was weird; he was weird as Hell. I mean really, really weird! He…acted like a robot, and he seemed mean and angry and cold. If you tried to talk to him, he wouldn't even answer. So…he just seemed like a jerk – the biggest jerk you ever met! An antisocial person – he was just hostile! But apparently that was just his extreme introversion. If you got him to talk at all, he would talk like a robot. And that's really weird because you don't often meet people who act like that. I mean you meet people who are shut down. You know how men sort of shut down their feelings? You know those guys who get into the macho thing, and they get this sort of monotone? Well, that's one thing, but this guy sounded like a machine! He sounded like a robot. And one time one of the fluorescent lights in the library went on the blink, and it started blinking on and off. You know how those lights go? They start flashing on and off, going Buh Buh Buh Buh Buh? It's a little bit weird when those lights do that, sure, but this guy totally tripped on it! He was staring at with a blank stare on his face like he was on acid. You don't normally see people tripping on a flashing light like they were on acid. He was…entranced by it. And that's an autistic symptom. Now, whether he was happy or not, I don't know…but he functioned well enough…He was a computer genius, and they hired him to work on the computers in the library. Later he was going to college and had his own apartment. But he was a really schizoid type guy – he didn't relate to other people at all – a real loner. I think he was an Aspie! I haven't met any others, but that one I met was weird as Hell. RS: With Eliot Rodger, people are saying he is a psychopath, but I don't think that's necessarily true. RL: No! Absolutely not. I don't believe it because – let me tell you something. Up until age 11 or 12, and maybe – maybe – even afterwards, he was a relatively normal kid. There are some signs of pathology, but most kids are pathological. You notice over and over, reading his autobiography, how much emphasis he places on whether or not someone was kind and goodhearted and loving and nice. Over and over, he compliments people – for instance, he would say, "My teacher was very, very kind. She was a nice person." Psychopaths don't say that! RS: I think with Eliot, if he were brought up in the right environment, he had the potential to be a basically decent and productive member of society. RL: Well, there are guys who are about as Aspie as he was…and they do all right. RS: You know, some people with mental illnesses…like schizophrenia…can be extremely violent…but in general, people who are on the autistic spectrum are usually pretty peaceful. RL: Ummm, yes, but if you talk to people who know them or live with them…some of these guys have gotten married and have kids…they have these things called meltdowns on a fairly regular basis, and it's like a temper tantrum for adults. It's just…part of being an Aspie. RS: I think the problem is that because they are unable to express themselves, that rage is bottled up like that. RL: Their rage supposedly comes from frustration because they are pretty much frustrated all the time. They can't read other people, and other people can't relate to them, and there is this total miscommunication going on all the time. They are constantly having their needs thwarted. And people who have their needs thwarted all the time get pretty angry…as we can see in the case of Eliot Rodger! RS: Regarding rage, Eliot had a number of incidents. In one of them, he went to a party near the university… RL: Yes, initially he tried to talk to some people, but they weren't really talking to him. Before this, he would go to parties sometimes, and he would always get all isolated…standing up against the doorway or the wall, and everybody else would be talking and socializing and smoking dope and drinking, and Eliot would be all isolated and alone and no one talking to him, and after a while, he would start to feel weird and leave. But this time, he went up to some people and started talking to them, and I guess it didn't go very well, and then later he saw some Asian guy talking to a hot blond, and it really pissed him off. He decided to be really macho – he thought being macho would make him cool. He tried to be an Alpha. He walked right up to both of them, and he burned the guy, insulted him and pushed him aside, and then he got in next to the girl. And then both of them – the Asian guy and the blond girl – said, "Whoa! I think someone has had too much to drink!" And they got away from him. Later on, he ended up on the lawn, and everyone else was having fun, and he was all alone on the lawn feeling like an idiot. The party went on, and Eliot ended up upstairs on the balcony, and I'm not sure if people were making fun of him or not – I don't really know – I think they were just ignoring him. But he started getting angrier and angrier, and…I guess it was a 10 foot balcony? I don't know, if you fell from it, if you would get real hurt? I don't know what was on the ground below, if it was grass or maybe a lawn. Apparently you could push people off this ledge pretty easily. He tried to push some of the girls off the deck! And a bunch of the guys got really mad, and they started pushing him too, and there was a pushing and shoving match…and they…pushed him off the deck. And I think he broke his ankle? RS: He said he got really hurt, and no one would help him. RL: Well, what do you expect? Everyone at the party hated him! He started walking away, and the people next door were having a party themselves apparently in tandem with the people who were having the party where he was at. Apparently they knew what had happened, and they started yelling at him, calling him "faggot" and "idiot." I am not sure what happened, but a big fight ensued between Rodger and these guys, and…he got his ass beat by these guys. He got beat up. He got a broken leg. At some point as he was walking home, a girl helped him, but then he hobbled the rest of the way home. He was laid up with a broken leg for some time. RS: Another thing that happened was he saw this couple on the beach, and he got some orange juice and sprayed super soakers on them. RL: No, it was at a park, and it wasn't a couple, it was a whole group of young men and women who were having a blast on a Sunday afternoon. He was watching them, and he started getting more and more angry, so he went and got a soaker and some orange juice, and he came back, and he started spraying it all over them. The group got mad, and they chased Eliot. He ran all the way back to his car and jumped in his car and took off. RS: The other thing about him was that he was mixed race himself, and he particularly disliked mixed couples. RL: Actually…he doesn't talk much about that. I don't think he had a big complex about that. RS: I think that in the PC media, being a racist is the worst thing, and his racism got a lot of attention in the media… RL: Well, first of all, the media keeps saying that he had a complex about being Asian. Not really true. In his early years, he had a bit of a complex about being Asian because he wanted to fit in as all his friends were White, and those were the people he was trying to fit in with. RS: Did he feel that he was looked down upon by Whites? RL: I don't think so. They probably treated him better. White people treat minorities better if they are part-White. You see, nobody will ever admit to it, and I get called racist all the time for saying things like this, but let me tell you something! A Black person who is half-White will be treated a lot better by White people than a Black person who is all Black. A HAPA, a half-Asian, half-White, will be treated better by Whites than a full-blooded Asian. The more White you have in you, the better White people treat you. That's just the way it goes! It's a simple fact! White nationalists probably would not agree with this, but the truth is that on some sort of a basic level, White people will respect someone who has a lot of White in them. They love the person for that… RS: I think because he was Whiter than some people…he saw an Indian guy and then a Mexican guy and then a Black guy and then a full Asian guy, all with blond White women, and he hated seeing that. His attitude was, "Why is it that these inferior races could get a blond White woman and I couldn't?" RL: Well, you see, the thing is, everyone is saying that he had this big complex about being Asian, but…there are only a couple of references to that in the manifesto – when he was younger – but I think that at some point, maybe around age 12 or 13, he completely buried this aspect of himself. He just stuffed it – down into his subconscious. He repressed it. And from then on, he simply saw himself as fully White, as a White man, period. RS: So was the issue that he felt that the White girls didn't view him as a White man? RL: Noo…noo…he just…saw himself as a White man! His attitude was, "Hey, I'm White!" And he does look White. In his videos, he looks like a White guy. A lot of times, you cross a White and an Asian, and you end up with a…White! You cross a White with an Indian from India, a often, you end up with a White person. White genes are pretty strong. They're not as recessive as everybody thinks. Either that, or there are some genes that are even more recessive than White genes. RS: So you don't think the racial aspect of it is an issue. RL: No! He doesn't even look Asian. And he identified as White. And he looks White. RS: Ok, so why did he get so mad when he saw some interracial couples? RL: Well. He saw himself as some sort of budding White nationalist! He saw himself as, "Hey, I'm White, and I am a superior man," and he thought Asians were inferior. He thought Asian guys were geeks and dweebs and idiots and fools. And he thought Black guys were complete animals – lowlifes. RS: Yes, he made a big deal about how he was descended from British aristocracy… RL: He was. RS: He saw himself as better than other people. RL: Yes, a really big part of him is that narcissism – that he needs to feel better than other people. That's his main pathology. And probably that more than anything else caused his rampage. If you want to blame anything, blame his narcissism. RS: He fluctuated between having very high self-esteem and having very low self-esteem. RL: What do you expect? Do you understand how narcissism works? I don't know if most people understand how narcissism works. In narcissism, we see these peaks and crashes. It's either they think they are the greatest person in the whole world, but if they are ever reminded that they are not the greatest person in the whole world, then they might crash and think they are the lowest worm that ever crawled the face of the Earth. It's either one or the other with these people. They can't be regular. He either has to be king of the world, or he has to be lowest slug you've ever seen. Some people think that deep down inside, narcissists have very low self-esteem, and in order to compensate for that, they have to create this huge ego. See, basically, what people are trying to do is – they're trying to be normal. They are trying to get to that zero-state. They are trying to get to that…norm. They are trying to be ok. So when the narcissist is thinking, "I am the lowest worm that ever crawled the face of the Earth," he's -100 on an egotism scale. And you see…the farther down you are on that scale, the further up you have to go to be normal. So if you're -100 on egotism, you have to go to +100 to feel normal. If you think you are the lowest slug on the face of the Earth, you have to think you are King of the Universe in order to even feel normal. You see? Someone who just feels a little bit inferior would only have to feel a little bit superior to feel normal. I think people are trying to achieve the norm. And the more down you feel, the more up you have to be to get to that norm. And that's why you see this bizarre fluctuating self-esteem in the narcissist where he's like I am the greatest man that ever lived or else I am absolutely worthless. RS: There's a theory that he saw himself as the absolute gentleman, and when he saw girls with guys he viewed as lower than him, he thought those guys as obnoxious brutes. RL: Well, yeah! That's the whole nice guy thing. The feminists and the anti-PUA/Game people on the Net are going crazy over this nice guy thing. They refer it as nice guys (TM). And they are all saying that in truth, nice guys aren't really very nice! Well…macho alphas who get all the women – they aren't very nice either, are they? But the whole line is wrong. Nice guys are nice! That's what they are all about. And the attitude of the Manosphere is all about "nice guys finish last," and the biggest assholes – the Alphas – get all the women, and the nice guys get the leftovers. We have heard all these things many times before. Obviously, there is some truth to it. Now, I've been a nice guy my whole life, and I've done pretty well with women, but on the other hand, I'm not a real nice guy. I've been told that I look like a sexual threat, and that I give off the appearance of someone who was experienced…with women. RS: Don't forget those serial killer glasses. You got rid of those. You got new glasses. RL: Well…it's not so much that women don't like a nice guy, but more that they like a guy who has a sense of danger. RS: Well…but Eliot turned out to be pretty dangerous… RL: He didn't look dangerous. He looked harmless. He keeps calling himself a mouse over and over in that manifesto of his. He says, "They treated me like I was a mouse…I felt like an insignificant little mouse." So this is really a classic case of some guy who feels completely inferior – who feels like a mouse – and in order to compensate for that, he has to feel like a king…like God! He felt so low that even being King of the World wasn't enough for him…he had to become God! He became God. I am God, destroyer of worlds! RS: His fantasy was becoming a dictator and putting all women in concentration camps…and starving them to death while he watched them die… RL: And in the end, he did become a God, did he not? Right? Wasn't he that night, when he was shooting people…wasn't he God? Who can take your life away, Robert? RS: Yes, I see what you mean. I see what you are getting at. RL: Only God can give life, and only God can take life. And you know, I have talked to people who told me that they liked to fantasize about killing people…they told me that they were never going to do it, but it was sort of fun to think about it…and when they thought like this, they felt huge, 1000 feet tall, like God. RS: You don't have to answer this, but have you ever fantasized about killing people? RL: Yes, of course, sure. Yes, I have. You know, I have fantasized about killing my enemies, and even, I even have fantasized about doing what Eliot did! I think a lot of us have, really. RS: A lot of people fantasize about killing their enemies, but some people also fantasize about obliterating large numbers of human beings, of strangers. RL: Sure, sure, of course. You know, you are driving down the street, and you look over, and there's a sidewalk filled people, and you fantasize you have an AK-47 and some hand grenades…and you start firing the gun, and then you start throwing the hand grenades! You know, I have told people that I have thought about stuff like that, and at least with guys, they usually start laughing and say, "Yeah, so have I." And these are guys who work in offices, wear ties, sit at a desk… RS: But now, if you talk about that, you will be put on some watchlist. RL: Well, look! Everybody thinks about things like that every now and then…but they aren't serious. But if you are actually thinking about it like it is something you really, really want to do…that's…completely different. I mean I thought about that stuff, but I knew that I wasn't going to do it. You know? RS: Have you ever felt like Eliot Rodger at some point in your life? RL: Ummm. Yes. Yes. I have, yes. RS: At his age, or…? RL: It was more when I was older than he was. You know what? I can understand the guy's feelings! If people don't treat you nice, if everybody is sort of treating you like crap, you just…you sort of…you want to kill them! You want to kill the people who don't treat you right. What people want is, as Carl Rogers said, unconditional positive regard. They don't want people communicating that there is something wrong with them, that they are weird, that you are screwed up…that's all…it's basically rejection. You know really – people should be careful about rejecting other people! Because when you reject someone, the basic primitive instinct of the person who you rejected is…"I'm going to kill you!" You know? Just for doing that to me, just for rejecting me. You insulted me! RS: And there is a distinction between sexual rejection and social rejection. I think someone who is being sexually rejected but has a healthy enough social life is probably going to be ok. I think the problem is a combination of sexual and social rejection. RL: Hey! Social life is very important! If you are at the point in your life where nobody's even being friendly to you…nobody's talking to you… you're not talking to anyone…you don't have any friends…you don't talk to any people on the phone…nobody comes over…you don't go visit anybody…I mean, that's a pretty bad place to be! It's lonely. It's really, really lonely! You feel like you are all alone in the whole world. You've never felt so lonely in your life! I've felt that way a few times when I moved to a new city…You see all these new people everywhere you go – total strangers – and you don't know what to say to them! What are you going to say? Really, what you ought to be able to do is say, "Hi, I just moved to this town, and I don't know a soul in this whole place. You want to be friends?" But you can't do that! See? But you know? You really ought to be able to do something like that. I mean, what are you going to do? You move to a whole new city all alone, and you don't know one single person! But if you walk up to someone and say, "Hey, I just moved to this town all alone, and I do not know one single person in this whole town. You want to be friends?" Well, you're considered to be weird! You're weird! The problem is you are making yourself vulnerable, and that's not really accepted. People act like you move to a whole new town all alone, and within 24 hours, you are supposed to have a whole bunch of new friends. But if you say, "Hey,I just moved here. I don't know a soul"…you're pitiful! You know what? We're not very nice! There are a lot of lonely people in our country, and we're not very nice to them! People say, "Huh? What's wrong with you? How come you can't make friends? Why don't you just go make some friends?" That ain't right. A lot of people have a hard time making friends, and they're really lonely, and it shouldn't be a shameful thing to say that you're lonely or you don't have any friends or, "Hey, you want to make friends?" It shouldn't be a source of shame. And we have made it into a source of shame! RS: These mass shootings – it seems to be largely an American phenomena. There have been a few in other countries, but by and large, it seems to be largely an American thing. RL: Well. We're the ones who let everyone have a gun, right? RS: Well, other countries let you have a gun. I think it is something about American society that is different… RL: Well. How many other countries let you have a semi-automatic weapon? RS: In Switzerland, everyone has a gun. RL: Do they let you have automatic weapons? RS: I don't know about that. RL: Well, ok. You know, these automatic weapons come in awful handy for these mass shootings. RS: In China, there have been some people going berserk with knives. The was a story about a 40 year old man going into an elementary school in China and chopping up a bunch of kids. RL: Yes. There was another guy who went berserk with a bulldozer on a street, on a sidewalk. Well, you know, people will use whatever is handy for a weapon. But those semi-automatic weapons, they sure do make it easier! RS: So what are your thoughts about the PUAHate site that Eliot was hanging out on? RL: Oh! Yes. I went there! I went there before it got famous due to this Eliot Rodger thing. I went there a number of months ago. Well, on that site…these guys are really angry! And their whole thing is like, "We're not getting any women! We're all like, incels." I don't know if all of them have been virgins their whole lives or if they are just temporarily incel, which is no source of shame! I mean I am temporarily incel right now. I've been temporarily incel many times in my life. I am at the moment. Maybe I have been temporarily incel now for…three months? It's not the end of the world, you know? I mean everybody goes through this…but, at what point does incel become not normal and become Incel with a capital I? Anyway, about the PUAHate site, there are these guys on there, and they're not getting any women, and a lot of them have spent a lot of money on these PUA con artists. They went to these boot camp things, or they bought all these tapes and videos. RS: Some of those guys have spent thousands and thousands of dollars. I remember a while back, there was a similar shooting. There was a guy named George Sodini who shot up a gym for basically the same reason that Eliot Rodger did. He spent thousands of dollars on these pickup artist seminars. RL: Yes, they can cost up to $3,000 to $5,000…to $10,000. RS: And a lot of those guys are basically con artists. RL: Of course they are con artists! Most of these PUA guys charging you for stuff are…classic con artists. They're sociopaths. Narcissists, sociopaths, whatever…I mean that sort of thing was guaranteed…as soon as that PUA stuff came out, you knew a bunch of con artists were going to flock to that industry. That industry has a great big welcome mat, a giant flashing neon sign that says, "Con artists, come here! Con artists, right this way!" You know? It was perfectly designed for those types. And a lot of the biggest PUA guys…are con artists themselves…especially the ones who are charging you. They're great big huge liars. They're not ok people. RS: What do you think of the media accusations where they say that the misogyny of the Manosphere is responsible for contributing to Eliot's spree? RL: Well, first of all…the United States is not a particularly misogynistic country on a worldwide basis, is it? RS: Not at all. It is probably the least misogynistic country if you compare it to the rest of the world. RL: Probably one of the least. Misogyny is much worse in Latin America, Sub-Saharan Africa, the Arab World, Iran, Pakistan, India, Nepal, and Bangladesh. What about Southeast Asia? I don't know. In Japan, in China. Misogyny is the way of the world. In most of the world, women are second-class citizens. That's just…normal. RS: Would you say that those Manosphere sites like Roissy are misogynistic? RL: Yes! Yes, Roissy's site. Roissy is a misogynist, and his commenters are worse than he is, and they're just feeding off each other. That whole scene is just…insanely misogynistic, really. But it's not like Roissy doesn't say things that are true… RS: So what does Roissy say that is true? RL: Well…a lot of what those guys are saying is true, and a lot of what misogynists say is true, unfortunately. A lot of what women who hate men say about men is true. But…both of them…they're only seeing half the picture. I mean, there's a huge downside to women. 50 RS: You've been a misogynist at some point in your life. RL: Yes, I got into that for a while. But it was odd, coming from a guy who had always loved females from an early age. I always just loved females. I never thought about it, never thought about the philosophy of it, whether it made sense philosophically or scientifically or whether females deserve to be hated or deserve to be loved…I just simply decided that I loved them, and that was that. RS: When did you get into the misogyny thing? RL: Well, it happened when I got older. I had worked myself into a bad state to where a lot of women were rejecting me, rejecting me for being weird. They were always like, "Whoa! You're weird, dude." Like that. And…I started hating them for that. Sort of like Eliot Rodger! RS: This is a little bit off-topic, but you mentioned that you were racist for a while. RL: Yes, I got into that for a while. I got into anti-Semitism. I don't even know how it happened because I was always a Jew-lover, a Judeophile, my whole life. I loved Jews like i loved females, I never thought about it, I never analyzed it. Did Jews deserve to be loved? Did they deserve to be hated? I came from a family of strong Judeophiles, and I was always like, "Woohoo! I love Jews!" You know? But then, in 2001, when the Israelis were shooting up Bethlehem, and they were shooting up the church where Jesus was born…You know, I'm a Christian! And those PLO guys were staying in the church, hiding there. And those Jews, even in the church where Jesus was born, they were killing people! They were murdering them! RS: I think with the anti-Semitism thing and the misogyny thing, I know a lot of guys, when they first discover these things…or people in general, when they first discover stuff, they go through a phase where they are really angry or maybe racist or misogynistic, but after a while, they calm down, and they come to accept the group for what they are. Do you think that is true? RL: I suppose, but I went the opposite way. I was raised to be non-racist! We were all raised to be non-racist. One time at the dinner table, I remember, one of us brothers said the word "nigger." RS: Was it you? RL: I don't know! I don't remember who said it. It wasn't the sort of word I used much back then. But, oh man! My father! My father just freaked out! I mean, all these Blacks and anti-racists who say "All Whites are racist," how do they explain my father? He shut down the whole dinner right there. He made it clear that we were never, ever to use that word at the dinner table again. Why did my father shut down that whole dinner table conversation because someone said nigger? My Dad – he's a racist? RS: You said you called a guy that term once. You called him a nigger. RL: Yes, I did. I did it. I was mad at him. We were having a fight. This Black guy and I were having this big huge fight, and I called him a nigger. I don't know. I don't feel bad about it. I'll call anyone anything that they deserve to be called if I am mad enough… RS: Sure, when you are in a fight with someone, you want to find the worst thing that you can possibly call that person. RL: Of course. You're going to look for their ethnicity, their race, their gender – if it's a woman, you're going to call her a cunt. If they're gay, you're going to call him a faggot. If they're a different race, you're going to call them nigger or beaner or spic or whatever. Or even a different ethnicity! If he's an Arab, you call him a towelhead, if he's French, you call him a frog. You just have to dig into your bag of tricks and find some appropriate insult andthrow it at them. If you're mad enough…if you and this other person are ready to punch each other, it's perfectly acceptable to whip out the insults. If you do that, I don't think it indicates how you feel deep down inside at all! That's the anti-racist line, and it's completely wrong! RS: Exactly! RL: It doesn't mean you're bigoted, or racist or sexist or homophobic. It just means you're mad! RS: So going back to the previous topic, these spree shootings seem to be becoming more and more common. Why do you think they are becoming more common? RL: You mean the mass killings? RS: Mass killings, yes. Like this Eliot Rodger case. RL: Well…probably…they're getting a lot of play in the media! And psycho-type people are looking at that and deciding to do it. It's a case of "the more there are, the more there are," you know what I mean? It's like a suicide epidemic. A few people do it, then more people start doing it, and then, the more there are, the more there are! The more people are doing it, the more people think this is a cool thing to do. The behavior feeds off itself. It's a vicious circle. It creates more of itself just by being there. The more of it there is, the more of it it spurs on, you know? RS: Do you think this incel thing is more common than it was in the past? RL: I don't know! I grew up with a lot of guys who weren't getting laid, so…it was pretty common. It was just normal. A lot of guys weren't getting laid. It was almost…to be expected. It was like, "Of course you're not having any sex. Well, you're not married, right?" It might be weird that he's not married, but the fact that he's not married, and he's not having any sex was not getting any sex was not considered weird at all. It was acknowledged that a few guys who weren't married could get some sex but unmarried guys…back then – it was expected that you weren't having sex. It was even harder then. RS: I remember you wrote an article after the George Sodini case predicting that more guys would go nuts like that guy did. RL: Yes. And it happened, right? And…there's going to be more, even after this Eliot Rodger guy. We have not seen the end of this! RS: So do you consider sex to be a necessary component of living a happy and effective life? RL: Well, yes. But in a certain way, it isn't like your needs for survival. It's not like shitting and pissing and eating and drinking. If you quit sleeping, you're going to die! If you quit shitting and pissing, you're going to die. Without water, you can live for maybe three days. If you quit eating food, at some point, you're just going to die. If you quit having sex, you're not going to die! RS: You wrote that these modern feminists are saying that these incel guys may just have to go years, decades or possibly their whole lives without sex. RL: Yes, well, that's exactly what they are saying, isn't it? Isn't that precisely what they are saying on these feminist sites? What are they saying? The feminists are saying, "Look! You guys have no right to sex! You're entitled. You think you have a right to have sex." The thing is, to these feminists, it is perfectly acceptable for a guy to go years, decades or even a lifetime without having sex with a woman because he had no right to sex! And he had no right to feel entitled that way. And women have the right to turn down men…all the time! For a year, or a decade, or a lifetime. That's their right. That's women's right. And some of you guys – you're just going to lose out, and that's just the way it goes. Because we're the sexual gatekeepers. And…you know…? That's not an attitude…that's going to fly very well! Tell you what. You go say that to a bunch of incel guys. Tell them, "Hey look. Women say you have no right to sex, and you're going to get it whenever they decide to give it to you, and…you just might never get it! Because…maybe they just don't feel like giving it to you!" You know? You think that's going to go over with those guys? You think these incel guys are just going to say, "Oh. Ok. Well, whether we get sex or not depends on whether the women want to give it to us. Ok. And maybe I'll go my whole life and never have sex because…chicks just don't feel like giving it to me, and that's just a-ok!" You think these incels are going to react that way? RS: What should the attitude of society be towards this issue? RL: Well, it wasn't always this way. RS: To wrap up the show, do you have any final words about Eliot Rodger. RL: Yes, I would like to make a complaint. Notice how the feminists and their male buddies are all running around screaming, "Misogyny! Misogyny! We have to stop this horrible misogyny!" Yes, there is misogyny in our culture. Well…why was Eliot Rodger a misogynist? Because…as a boy, he was not a misogynist. He turned into one! Why did he turn into a misogynist? RS: And what would you say the reason he turned into a misogynist was? RL: Well. Women turned him into a misogynist! They hated him, they insulted him, they humiliated him, they ignored him, and…that's what did it. I mean you can say that he shouldn't have reacted that way, but…people who experience mass rejection, they tend to get…pretty mad. RS: Before wrapping up, I would like to discuss one more thing. One of the interesting things about Eliot Rodger is…I mentioned a guy like Roissy…See, the difference between those two is that Eliot Rodger hated promiscuous men as much as he hated promiscuous women. But these guys like Roissy – they actually celebrate promiscuous men, but they hate promiscuous women. Well, they don't hate the women – they just have a low opinion of them. That is a key difference between those two. Eliot Rodger was…he was really a misanthrope, not just a misogynist. RL: Well, yes, he got to the point where he hated men just as much as he hated women. And the first three people he killed were…fellow incels, probably. Those three Chinese guys who he said were total nerds, well – they weren't getting any pussy either from what I understand. RS: Yes, they probably had more in common with him than he would have admitted. RL: Right, right. He hated those guys because they were nerds! That guy just hated everybody, man. And he was going to kill his own Mom and his own brother. His Mom was very good to him, and his brother was very good to him too. The only person he didn't want to kill was his father. He hated the whole world. He hated you. He hated me. He was going to try to kill you. He was going to try to kill me. The Hell with him!


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I lost my cousin Shawn Steinmetz this week. He was 33, and has two very young daughters. It was a freak bike accident. He was here a few weeks ago for my niece's graduation party, and now he's gone. I don't have all the details, and in reality, it doesn't matter.
Hug your kids. Call your parents. Love the one your with.
Speaking of Love...
On the way to Podcamp Ohio the Nurse (my girlfriend) and I drove to Columbus and listened to a book (something like saving your marriage before it even starts). Once again I hear how a man needs to make the woman feel cherished. To do this he has to give up anything she asks for. Then because she loves him, she will give it back. This seems inefficient. Why not just believe me, and we can bypass the giving and giving back. I guess it doesn't work that way.
UPDATE Please note: At the end of this podcast I mention how you "have to give up everything." This is NOT what the book states. This is the "warped" version in my head. The bottom line is a relationship is give and take. My whole comment was its funny how you may need to give up something to show a woman that she is special, and important - and then she will give it back (and that this seems like alot of work to end up where you started).
Here is the Book Saving Your Marriage Before It Starts

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The terror trail that won't grow cold: Dark forces bombed Bologna station in 1980, killing 85. At a retrial tomorrow, the victims' relatives may see justice done
WHEN two laywers, Giuseppe Giampaolo and Paolo Trombetti, stand up in a Bologna courtroom tomorrow, they will be hoping to lay to rest one of the ghosts of Italy's dark political past.
The two men will be demanding justice for the victims of Italy's worst terrorist atrocity, the 1980 Bologna railway station bombing. They represent the families of the 85 people who died when a huge blast ripped through the second- class waiting room on a sweltering morning in August.
Many of the victims were students on holiday. The pictures of weeping rescue workers and mangled bodies - some blown under trains, some in beach-wear for the holiday they would never have - shocked Europe.
Tomorrow's special appeal hearing is the culmination of a legal tale that saw 13 people convicted in 1988 of involvement in the massacre, only to be cleared at a first appeal two years later. Those convicted in the original trial included four young neo-fascists, given life sentences for planting the bomb, two secret service officers and Licio Gelli, grand-master of the banned P2 Masonic Lodge.
With extraordinary tenacity the Association of the Relatives of the Victims geared up for a campaign to keep the issue in the public eye. They lobbied Italy's Supreme Court for the right to have the case reheard. Early last year, perhaps infected by the new reforming spirit seizing Italian public life, the Supreme Court annulled the decision of the appeal court and ordered a new trial.
Since the original trial, evidence has emerged that points to an unholy alliance of right-wing forces, corrupt politicians and secret service agents bent on undermining democracy to hold on to power in the name of the fight against communism. Bologna's place in this process has become clearer. The blast, in a political stronghold of the Communist Party, a well-run, prosperous city, was the climax of a series of atrocities between 1969 and 1984 - an era which became known as the 'Years of Lead'.
The attacks, usually bombings aimed at slaughtering as many civilians as possible, were initially blamed on the extreme left. Now it is accepted that they were part of a 'Strategy of Tension' intended to scare voters away from western Europe's most popular communist party and into the arms of the Christian Democrats.
One of those who will be following the proceedings in Bologna is a retired civil servant from Bath. Harry Mitchell and his wife Shirley lost their daughter Catherine, 21, who died in the blast with her boyfriend, John Kolpinski, from Bristol. Like many people of her age, she was inter-railing around Europe after finishing university.
'I heard about the blast on the radio, while I was gardening, but we didn't connect it with them. We didn't realise they had stopped off at Bologna,' Mr Mitchell says. 'It was a couple of days before we were told that, yes, they thought they had found her.'
A stocky, dapper man, fond of his huge garden, Mr Mitchell has undertaken an almost obsessional quest to learn as much as possible about the forces behind his daughter's death. Boxfile after boxfile in his neat semi-detached home contain cuttings on the outrage.
Less than 150 miles away lives one of the subjects of his correspondence, Roberto Fiore, a prominent Italian neo-fascist. Fiore runs an employment and accommodation agency for foreign students in London, where he has lived since the attack in Bologna.
Although he is not in any way implicated in the massacre, investigators believe he may be able to give them valuable information. He belonged to the political wing of the neo-fascist group whose members were convicted of planting the bomb. But Fiore denies that he knew them. 'I had nothing to do with those people,' he said when contacted at Meeting Point, his office in Kensington.
An Italian attempt in 1982 to extradite Fiore, and a fellow neo-fascist, Massimo Morsello, failed when British magistrates ruled there was insufficient evidence to support the charge on which they were wanted: subversive conspiracy and membership of an armed gang. In 1985, an Italian court sentenced them in absentia to nine and 10 years respectively.
'We were convicted only of belonging to a group not recognised by the state. That is not a crime here,' said Morsello. He does not deny the pair are fascists, but says their political activity is a thing of the past. 'Of course I wanted to subvert the state when I was 18, but I can say categorically that we never broke the law.'
But they may yet be forced to return to the past; Italy has renewed the extradition request, and both governments have reopened proceedings.
In 1984 a convicted neo-fascist, Vincenzo Vinciguerra, was questioned by Bologna investigators. He testified that he had been recruited for an earlier car bomb attack near Venice by Gladio, a shadow army set up by the Italian secret services in the 1950s as part of a Nato plan to create guerrilla resistance in the event of a Soviet invasion or communist takeover in Nato countries. By the time Vinciguerra carried out his attack, in 1972, Gladio was considering pre-emptive action against the increasingly popular Communist Party, according to General Gerardo Serravalle, the secret service chief in charge of the Gladio network.
Forensic reports demonstrated conclusively that explosive from one Gladio arms dump had been used in the Venice car bombing. In Bologna, says Mr Trombetti, experts concluded that the blast, which demolished one wing of the station, was caused by 'retrieved military explosive'. He is reluctant to be more specific but says one can draw one's own conclusions.
Even if the victims' lawyers win their case, some of the real authors of the Bologna outrage will never be brought to justice. But the outcome of the trial will be seen as a symbol. 'Another 'not guilty' verdict would be an insult to the just process of law,' Mr Giampaolo says. 'We may not have all those responsible for this outrage, but we believe we have enough evidence to convict the accused. The public wants the truth on this massacre.'
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Daily Archives: January 14, 2011
And Now, Something to Send You Into the Weekend
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This is the 6,000th Post on Whatever, So Obviously We Must Have a Picture of a Cat
Posted on January 14, 2011 28 Comments
There, that takes care of that. I'll note strictly as a matter of accuracy that this is merely the 6,000th entry currently posted on Whatever; the extant archive only goes back to March 2002, which means that there's currently three and a half years of entries, going back to September 1998, not on the site. […]
Why 2,000 Words Works For Me
Posted on January 14, 2011 43 Comments
I've noted that I'm doing a thing where I don't check into the Internet until I write 2,000 words on my current book project or until noon. People have asked me why the stated quota is 2,000 words. Why not some other number? Why not some specific amount of time? I've answered this question before […]
Farhad Manjoo is Right and I Will Go to This Barricade With Him
Posted on January 14, 2011 175 Comments
The vile perniciousness that is the second space after a period. If you do this, you are everything that is wrong and bad in this world. That is all.
Two Quick Reminderations
Posted on January 14, 2011 4 Comments
They are: * I have a contest: To be featured in my book, just write a haiku. * Tor.com has a poll: The decade's best SF/F. Make your choices here. See? Quick.


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Sea levels to rise by up to 6 feet if coal usage continues, says report
Global sea levels could rise by 6 feet by the end of this century as a result of climate change if fossil fuel consumption is not curbed, according to a report published yesterday.
For the study, researchers at the University of Melbourne analysed high resolution seafloor imaging to learn more about past sea level events, as well as using new modelling techniques to measure all known factors that contribute to sea level rise. The findings are used to present five long term scenarios predicting different potential outcomes for global society, energy supply, and the environment depending on future carbon emissions and energy policies.
The estimation of a 6 feet sea level rise by 2100 is the bleakest scenario, which would be the result of continued high fossil fuel consumption, strong economic growth worldwide, and little attempt to slow the pace of climate change. This figure is significantly worse than the previous worst case projection of just over 3 feet, released by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in 2013, and would be disastrous for coastal cities around the world.
However, the study also suggests that devastation could be avoided if the emissions targets from the Paris climate agreement are achieved. If global temperatures are limited to 1.5C above pre-industrial levels, as set out in the Paris agreement, sea level rise could be held at an average of 1.7 feet by 2100.
In order to drastically limit sea level rise to half a meter, the proportion of energy produced by coal would have to be reduced from 27% (2016 figures) to just 5% of total global consumption.
In an article for IZA World of Labor, Nico Pestel analyses the employment effects of "shift[ing] to a low-carbon green economy." Pestel suggests that increasing renewable energy "may have a positive gross employment effect, creating additional green jobs, but it could also crowd out investment-induced employment in non-green sectors." However the overall impact is limited, so "neither job creation nor job destruction are adequate arguments to put forward in the energy policy debate."
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Bitcoin payments startup Yellow has launched a bitcoin voucher service in Egypt, as an alternative solution for "costly and inconvenient" payment platforms in the Middle East.
Bitcoin voucher service
Yellow's voucher service allows its customers to purchase vouchers as "tickets" on eventtus.com with credit cards (Visa, MasterCard), PayFort (an online payment gateway in the Middle East) and Vodafone point-of-sale machines.
As the Egypt's credit card penetration rate is below 2% and only 10% of the country's population holds bank accounts, bitcoin vouchers may not be enough to increase the liquidity of bitcoin in the nation. However, it is the first official company in the MENA region (Middle East and North Africa) to allow customers in Egypt to purchase BTC with the Egyptian Pound.
A 'tough market'
Yellow is the first bitcoin exchange type business to be introduced in Egypt since the launch of Kipochi in Africa back in 2013. Kipochi is a bitcoin wallet service based in the UK which partnered with M-PESA in 2013 to introduce the first bitcoin wallet in Africa.
According to Yellow, 70% of the 15 countries in the Middle East are either unbanked or have poor payment system infrastructures. Moreover, merchants usually pay around 5% in transaction and processing fees.
The Bitcoin startup recognizes Egypt's low credit card acceptance rate, high merchant fees, expensive payment solutions and also the fact that Egypt does not have an established bitcoin exchange despite the rapid growth in Egypt's e-commerce industry.
Wamda, a platform of programs and networks for entrepreneurs in the MENA region (Middle East and North Africa) reported that only 10% of the country's population holds bank accounts and less than 2% of the population has credit cards. Later in the report, Wamda stated:
"In general, Egypt is a tough market, due to high computer illiteracy, a poor telecoms infrastructure, and weakened economic conditions."
Despite Egypt's poor payment infrastructure, Yellow still launched the bitcoin voucher service as it believes that "Bitcoin can revolutionize payments in the region." Yellow's founder, David El Achkar, explained that "We're seeing some activity in Kuwait, but it's still low. We're also starting to see a growing interest in KSA, Tunisia, and Egypt."
Egypt's fledgling Bitcoin industry began showing signs of life in 2014 with the announcement of an Australian bitcoin exchange Igot to expand its services to Egypt and AMECO, the largest disposable syringe and hypodermic needle manufacturer in the Middle East (based in Cairo) beginning to accept BTC. Unfortunately, there has been no significant progress since last year in Egypt as AMECO is still the only business in the entire country to accept bitcoin.


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Taylor Swift Reveals Mother Battle With Cancer
Shake it off, Taylor Swift. That's what fans are saying about the devastating news the singer posted on her Tumblr page.
Swift took to social media to reveal that her mother, Andrea Finlay, has been diagnosed with cancer.
"Hey guys, I'm writing to you with an update I wish I wasn't giving you, but it's important and I'm used to sharing important events in my life with you. Usually when things happen to me, I process them and then write music about how I feel, and you hear it much later. This is something my family and I thought you should know about now," she wrote.
"She wanted you to know because your parents may be too busy juggling everything they've got going on to go to the doctor, and maybe you reminding them to go get checked for cancer could possibly lead to an early diagnosis and an easier battle… Or peace of mind in knowing that they're healthy and there's nothing to worry about. She wanted you to know why she may not be at as many shows this tour. She's got an important battle to fight."
"Thank you for caring about my family so much that she would want me to share this information with you.
I hope and pray that you never get news like this."
Swift's family has lived in Lehigh Valley for several years and she spent summers growing up in Stone Harbor.


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This Weekend at the LFL
We received many excellent donations over the last three days and when the library was quiet around 3pm today I sat and glowed at the beauty of books. Jerome came in on Saturday morning and over a coffee we had a chat about the books he brought in and the theory of the multiverse - he lost me at the moment of a fundamental event (at which point the universe splits?) but I hope I never stop to marvel at other people's knowledge. Judy Lemezis from the Wellington Square Bookshop in Exton gave us a bunch of gems - from health and wellness to history and soccer. Elizabeth Shepard returned with another collection of perfect paperbacks for the shelves - including Forensics For Dummies. We now have everything.
And Ginkgo, Jerome and Michaelann's super friendly dog had a good look around - we need a water bowl and treats.
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While Sigma Chi's pledge education system is continuing to catch on on at chapters across North America, the Fraternity hopes that the new resource for Magisters and pledges experiences increased usage from its undergraduate chapters as the year progresses.
Since being unveiled to undergraduates at the 2012 Balfour Leadership Training Workshop, 77 chapters have signed up to use the pledge education system, and 757 pledges have been registered to use the interactive online resource that is designed to make the pledge process more organized its users, mainly for Magisters who face the daunting task of preparing a pledgeship for their pledge classes.
A scheduling tool and chapter rosters; pledge exams; a database of chapters' best practices; a chapter's past pledge program information and multimedia featuring Fraternity leaders are just a few of the system's features.
Order of Constantine Sig Jon Miller, OKLAHOMA STATE and TULSA 1966, lead developer for Sigma Chi International Headquarters, is a former Magister. He helped plan this system so it will make the lives of pledge trainers much easier. "Part of the pressure of being Magister was being prepared and having appropriate material for each pledge meeting," Miller says. "[The pledge education system] provides additional material for pledges to learn and grow on their own."
Miller is a valuable resource for Magisters looking to use the pledge education system for their chapter's pledge program this year and next year, when the resource becomes a requirement by the Fraternity. Miller hosts feedback/training sessions every Wednesday night for Magisters to learn the many features of the sytem, and they can ask questions and provide feedback in a focus-group atmosphere.
Meetings begin at 9 p.m. EST. To join a session, go to sigmachi.com and click on the GoToMeeting Info under the Pledge Education System tab. "We cover mechanics of the system — the features of the system in chronological order of use," Miller says of the chats each Wednesday. "We discuss the system's features and any questions they may have. Occasionally, we get into if they do something wrong in the system, what's the best way to fix it."
Miller is also looking for Magisters to point out content that is not included on the current system, and he asks that Magisters email material to firstname.lastname@example.com or document any issues in the program's comments section about what they would like to see in the pledge education system.
Questions regarding the pledge education system can also be directed to Special Projects Coordinator Lucas Peralta, NEW MEXICO 2012, at firstname.lastname@example.com or Director of Undergraduate Services and Special Projects Kent Shackelford, VIRGINIA TECH 2009, at email@example.com.
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Target Program Usage Guide
- 1 Overview
- 2 Downloading 'target'
- 3 Installing 'target'
- 4 Configuring 'target'
- 5 Using 'target'
- 6 Commands
- 6.1 Command overview
- 6.2 Use cases
- 6.3 Commands
- 7 Automated use of 'target'
- 8 Appendix A: Configuration file specification
This page describes the "target" program, which is used for performing operations on a target board.
This document describes the program
target, which can be used as a tool
in developing Linux for embedded systems.
Target is intended to be used in a host/target development
configuration, where one machine is the development host where software
is configured and built, and one or more machines are targets where
software is executed. This is the most common configuration for
embedded systems programming. The
target program is run
on the host system in order to build software and interact with
target machines in a common way.
target program can be run interactively, or as part of an automated
session. The purpose of target is to make it so that the same commands
can be used to build software and manipulate different target machines, independent of
differences in the configuration and setup of the machines. Certain details of
operation are hidden from the user by the
command. This makes it possible to perform the same operations on different target
boards, using the same set of
target commands.
When the
target program runs, it reads the configuration file "
Usually, it looks up the target to act upon (which is specified either on the command line
or in the environment), then sets up the environment for the desired sub-command.
(The set of supported sub-commands is listed below in the section "Commands".)
Finally, using the attributes specified in the configuration file,
executes the specified sub-command.
The different operations (or sub-commands) of
target are intended to support
the following major development activities related to a target:
- retrieving kernel source
- patching the kernel
- configuring the kernel for the target, including both:
- getting a default configuration for the target
- modifying individual configuration options
- building the kernel
- installing the kernel on the target
- rebooting the target machine
- accessing the console for the target
- copying files to and from the target
Note that there is NOT a one-to-one correspondence between the
sub-commands and the activities listed above. This is because once the
environment is set up it is possible to perform some of these
activities in a target-independent way using normal Linux commands
(like "make" or "patch").
In reality,
target is a rather thin wrapper program which
sets up the environment and performs some common operations.
The bulk of the "intelligence" (how to do the actual operations)
is contained in the configuration file in the form of Unix shell
In order to use
target on your system, you need to install the
software and edit the configuration file to match your host/target
Theory of operation
The most important aspect of
target is that it hides certain
operational details from the user, so that common commands can be
used to perform operations related to an embedded development board.
The things that
target hides, include things such as:
- the location and name of the cross-compiler (and other toolchain programs)
- the version and location of the Linux kernel source code
- the menu location of kernel configuration options
- the method of installing the kernel on the target board
- the method of rebooting the target board
- the method of installing files to the file system of the target
These things must be set up on the host machine, and then the
target configuration file must be written to take into account
the specific settings for each target connected to the host.
Downloading 'target'
Download the tarball from one of the following links and follow the instructions in the README (and in this document).
|Download Link
|Fixed telnet_exec bug, add sample test script preset-test.py
|First public release
Installing 'target'
target to
Configuring 'target'
In order to use 'target', you first need to set up the
/etc/target.conf configuration file
for the targets attached to your host machine. This is usually a relatively easy thing
to do, but may require special hardware or software to provide the services
that 'target' needs to access the board.
The syntax of the configuration file, and a description of the required contents, is in Appendix A. Also, a sample configuration file is provided, with definitions for several targets.
Using 'target'
You can use 'target' interactively from the Linux command line, or you can use it by running an automated test (which invokes target to perform various parts of the test.)
Command overview
Here is the list of sub-commands available for user with the
target command.
|Run a program to access the target console.
|Copy files to or from the target.
|Install kernel config for target in the $KBUILD_OUTPUT directory
|assumes the current directory is top kernel source dir.
|Install kernel sources for target in the $KERNEL_SRC directory
|Show this online help.
|Show information about a target.
|Build kernel from source.
|assumes the current directory is the top kernel source dir.
|Install kernel for use on target.
|assumes the current directory is the top kernel source dir.
|Show a list of available targets.
|Run a program to perform a network login on the target.
|Reset target board.
|Remove files from the target.
|Run a command on the target, collecting it's output
|Set an individual config option
|assumes the current directory is top kernel source dir
|Starts shell with environment for performing build and other operations
|Show status of target, including reservations.
|not implemented yet
|Show version information and exit.
|Wait for a condition to be true.
|command is executed on host (not on the target)
Use cases
Example 1: build and install a kernel and log on to the target to use it =
A normal sequence of operations for an interactive user of
target would be:
- get a list of targets connected to this host
- select a target to work on, and set up the environment for it
- get the kernel sources for a build
- (optionally) apply patches to the kernel sources
- get a (default) kernel configuration for this target
- set specific configuration options
- build the kernel, and install it
- reboot the target with the new kernel
- (optionally) put additional files on the target
- access the target console and do work
Here are the
target commands one would use to accomplish this:
- get a list of targets connected to this host
$ target list Targets on this host: ebony innovator nut osk test
- select a target to work on, and set up environment for it
$ target ebony setenv
- get the kernel sources for a build
$ target get_kernel -o linux-test $ cd linux-test
- (optionally) apply patches to the kernel sources
$ patch -p1 <../printk-times.patch
- get a default kernel configuration for this target
$ target get_config
- set specific configuration options
$ target set_config CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME==y
- build the kernel, and install it
$ target kbuild $ target kinstall
- reboot the target with the new kernel
(either one of: On the target board, type "reboot":
$ reboot
or from the host, use:
$ target reset
- (optionally) put additional files on the target
$ target cp foo bar target:/tmp $ target cp test.sh target_bin:
- login to the console and do some work
$ target console <do interactive work on the target>
Runs a program to access the target console.
Usage: target [<target>] console
A program is run to provide interactive access to the target
console. It is not possible to predict what program will be
used. Often it is
minicom, talking to a serial console
on the target. But the access program could be something else,
so no assumptions should be made. This command is not intended
to support automated access to the target console. Use
'target run' for that.
Copy files to or from the target.
Usage: target [<target>] cp <src1> [<src2> ...] <dest>
The last path specified determines the direction of the copy. Use the prefix "target:" to specify a filepath on the target. "target_bin:" can be used to put a file on the target in a directory on the PATH.
Ex: target cp test_data test_data2 target:/tmp Ex: target cp test.sh target_bin:
Install kernel config for target in the $KBUILD_OUTPUT directory
Usage: target [<target>] get_config [-o <otherdir>]
Use -o to specify an alternate KBUILD_OUTPUT directory (default is '.') Assumes the current directory is the top kernel source dir.
Install kernel sources for target in the $KERNEL_SRC directory
Usage: target [<target>] get_kernel [-o <outputdir>]
Use -o to specify a specific output kernel source directory. The default output directory, if none is specified, is 'linux'.
Show the online help.
Usage: target help [<command>]
If a command is specified, show help and usage information for that command.
Show information about a target.
Usage target [<target>] info [-v] [-n <attr>]
Show information about a target. The '-v' (verbose) option will show all the attributes for the target (from the configuration file). Use the '-n' option to display the value of a single attribute, <attr>.
Install kernel for use on target.
Usage: target [target] kinstall
Assumes the current directory is the top kernel source directory.
Show a list of available targets.
Usage: target list [-q]
Use -q for "quiet" mode. This suppresses extraneous output. The resulting list can be parsed more easily by other programs.
Run a program to perform a network login on the target.
Usage: target [<target>] login
Reset target board.
Usage: target [<target>] login
Remove files from the target.
Usage: target [<target>] rm <file1> [<file2>...]
Run a command on the target, and return it's output.
Usage: target [<target>] run "command <args>"
Set one or more individual config options
Usage: target [<target>] set_config [-o <outputdir>] <option-def> ...
Use -o to specify a non-default KBUILD_OUTPUT directory. (The default is '.' if none is specified in the environment or the target.conf file.)
Multiple <option-defs> may be specified with one command. Each <option-def> has the syntax: <option-name><operation><value>.i Operations are: '==' for assignment, and '+==' for a string append. Boolean or tristate values should be one of "y", "n", and "n". String values must be enclosed in quotes, which usually requires shell escaping of the quote characters (see below).
A backup is made of the .config file.
target set_config CONFIG_FOO==y
target set_config CONFIG_BAR==n CONFIG_BAZ==1234
target set_config "CONFIG_STR==\"foo bar\""
target set_config "CONFIG_STR+==\" quiet\""
Assumes the current directory is the top kernel source dir.
Prepare environment for building for the target
Usage: target [<target>] setenv [-o >file]
This command starts a new shell, with an environment that is prepared for building for the target. That is, things like KBUILD_OUTPUT, CROSS_COMPILE, and ARCH are set in the environment, and PATH has been adjusted to include the appropriate toolchain directory.
When -o is used, no new sub-shell is started. Rather, -o causes target to output the required environment variables as a series of shell export statements. These can be 'sourced' into the current shell rather than starting a new sub-shell.
(Ex: target ebony setenv -o >foo ; source foo)
Show status of target, including reservations.
Usage: target [<target>] status
(not implemented yet)
Show version information and exit.
Usage: target version
Wait for a condition to be true.
Usage: target [<target>] wait_for [-i <interval>] [-t <timeout>] <command> The command is run periodically until it returns 0. By default, the interval between executing the command is 5 seconds. Use -i to specify a different interval, and -t to specify a maximum time to wait. Both are expressed in seconds.
ex: target wait_for -i 2 -t 100 "test -f /tmp/outfile"
This will check every two seconds to see if /tmp/outfile exists, waiting no longer than 100 seconds total. The exit code from of 'target' is the exit code of the last invocation of the command (0 on success).
(Works on host right now, not target.)
Automated use of 'target'
interactive vs. automated use
Some tricks for automated use:
- use the -o option with "target setenv" to output the environment variables to a file, then source that file in the current environment
This solves the problem of setting environment variables in the current shell, rather than in a sub-shell started via "target".
Here's a line which does this:
target foo setenv -o >tmp ; source tmp ; rm tmp ; make $kimage
Appendix A: Configuration file specification
The configuration file for
target is named
"target.conf", and
is located in the
/etc directory.
This file contains a list of the targets attached to this host, and their attributes. An attribute can be a static data value, such as the name of the target, its description, or its IP address. Or an attribute can be a list of one or more commands that perform an operation related to the target.
The file contains a list of name-value pairs. It supports single-line and multi-line values. A single-line name-value pair has the syntax:
A multi-line name-value pair has the syntax:
name=="""first line second line etc."""
In other words, three double-quotes are used to denote the start and end of a multi-line value.
Lines starting with a '#' are comments.
The file is divided into sections, one for each target described. Each section begins with a target declaration, of the form: "target==<name>". This line specifies the end of the previous section (if any) and the start of a new section. The attributes that follow this line in the file are associated with the indicated target, up to the next target declaration line.
Some values are sequences of shell script commands, which are used to
implement a single
target sub-command.
By convention, the names of an attribute which implement a command
ends with "_cmd".
If an attribute name is all upper-case, this denotes a value that is placed in the environment. (There are, however, some environment variable values which are NOT denoted by an upper-case attribute name).
Configuration attributes summary
Supported attributes are:
|Attribute Name
|Meaning of value
|Short (one-word) name of the target
|A description of the target board. Usually multi-line
|Path where toolchain tools are located. This appended to the PATH env. variable
|Architecture specifier for the kernel build (eg. arm, ppc, i386)
|Toolchain prefix used with kernel builds (eg. arm-sony-linux- )
|Place where kernel is installed
|Default name to use for kernel source directory
|Default directory for kernel build output
|Name of the kernel image file (eg. bzImage, uImage)
|Command(s) to install the kernel image. (Assumes that the current working dir is $KERNEL_SRC)
|Command(s) to put a default kernel configuration file (.config) in $KBUILD_OUTPUT
|Command(s) to put the kernel source code in $KERNEL_SRC
|Command(s) to copy files from host to target
|Command(s) to copy files from target to host
|Command(s) to remove files from target
|Target IP address
|Command(s) to reset the target, from the host
|Command(s) to start an interactive console for the target (usually minicom)
|Command(s) to start an interactive login session with the target (usually telnet)
|Directory on target where binary files are located
|Command(s) to install a root filesystem to the target
Configuration Example
Here is a sample:
# Some notes on syntax and conventions # Attributes that end in "_cmd" are assumed to be shell # commands, which will be executed in shell context # Each line of a multi-line _cmd will be executed # in its own sub-shell. (i.e. don't count on # exports or cd's being persistent from one line to # the next) # # The get_kernel_cmd should output the kernel source # to the directory specified by $KERNEL_SRC #====================================================== target==innovator description=="""TI OMAP Innovator board, with: OMAP1510 processor (ARM925T core and a C55x DSP) The ARM core runs at 168 MHZ. The board has 32 meg. of flash (in 2 16M banks) and 32 meg. of SDRAM.""" ipaddr==192.168.1.61 login_cmd==telnet inno-1 console_cmd==minicom inno TOOL_PATH==/usr/local/arm-sony-linux/devel/bin ARCH==arm CROSS_COMPILE==arm-sony-linux- kimage==uImage kinstall_cmd==cp -v arch/arm/boot/uImage /target/inno-1/boot reset_cmd==omap-reset get_kernel_cmd==export CVSRSH==/usr/bin/ssh ; cvs -d :ext:oak.sm.sony.co.jp:/var/cvsroot co -r branch_ALP_LINUX -d $KERNEL_SRC linux-2.6 get_config_cmd=="""export CVSRSH==/usr/bin/ssh ; cvs -d :ext:oak.sm.sony.co.jp:/var/cvsroot co local-dev/team/configs cp local-dev/team/configs/config-innovator-baseline $KERNEL_SRC/.config""" target_bin==/devel/usr/bin copy_to_cmd==cp $src /target/inno-1/$dest copy_from_cmd==cp /target/inno-1/$src $dest rm_cmd==rm /target/inno-1/$dest #================================================================================= target==osk description=="""TI OMAP Starter Kit (OSK): OMAP5912 processor (ARM926EJ-S core and a C55x DSP) The ARM core runs at 192 MHZ. The board has 32 meg. of flash and 32 meg. Mobile DDR SDRAM, 10 Mbit Ethernet interface, USB Host interface and a AIC23 stereo codec.""" ipaddr==192.168.1.72 login_cmd==telnet osk2 console_cmd==echo "console is on timdesk" ; false TOOL_PATH==/usr/local/arm-sony-linux/devel/bin ARCH==arm CROSS_COMPILE==arm-sony-linux- kimage==uImage KERNEL_SRC==linux TMPDIR==/tmp KBUILD_OUTPUT==../build/osk kinstall_cmd==cp -v $KBUILD_OUTPUT/arch/arm/boot/uImage /target/osk2/boot reset_cmd==echo "remote reset not supported" ; false old_get_kernel_cmd==export CVSRSH==/usr/bin/ssh ; cvs -d :ext:oak.sm.sony.co.jp:/var/cvsroot co -r branch_ALP_LINUX -d $KERNEL_SRC linux-2.6 get_kernel_cmd==tla get -A alp@oak--trial-5 alp-linux--dev $KERNEL_SRC get_config_cmd=="""export CVSRSH==/usr/bin/ssh ; cd $TMPDIR ; cvs -d :ext:oak.sm.sony.co.jp:/var/cvsroot co local-dev/team/configs/config-osk-baseline ; cd - cp $TMPDIR/local-dev/team/configs/config-osk-baseline $KBUILD_OUTPUT/.config""" target_bin==/devel/usr/bin copy_to_cmd==cp $src /target/osk2/$dest copy_from_cmd==cp /target/osk2/$src $dest rm_cmd==rm /target/osk2/$dest #================================================================================================== target==nut description=="""Nut is an x86-based desktop computer, with: Intel Celeron processor, running at 2 GHz. The machine has 128 meg. of RAM and a 40G IDE hard drive.""" reset_cmd==nut-reset console_cmd==minicom nut login_cmd==telnet nut ipaddr==192.168.1.14 TOOL_PATH== ARCH== CROSS_COMPILE== INSTALL_PATH==/target/nut/boot KERNEL_SRC==linux KBUILD_OUTPUT==../build/nut kimage==bzImage kinstall_cmd==cp -v $KBUILD_OUTPUT/arch/i386/boot/bzImage /target/nut/boot/vmlinuz #kinstall_cmd==make INSTALL_PATH==$INSTALL_PATH install get_kernel_cmd=="""tar -xjf /home/rbatest/base/linux-2.6.10.tar.bz2 mv linux-2.6.10 $KERNEL_SRC""" get_config_cmd==cp /home/rbatest/base/config-nut-works-2.6.11-rc4 $KBUILD_OUTPUT/.config copy_to_cmd==cp $src /target/nut/$dest copy_from_cmd==cp /target/nut/$src $dest rm_cmd==rm /target/nut/$dest #======================================================================================= target==ebony description=="""Ebony (San Jose) is an IBM PowerPC development baord, with: PowerPC 440GP processor, running at 400? GHz. The machine has 128 meg. of RAM.""" ipaddr==192.168.1.54 reset_cmd==ebony-reset console_cmd==minicom ebony login_cmd==telnet ebony TOOL_PATH==/usr/local/powerpc-sony-linux/devel/bin ARCH==ppc CROSS_COMPILE==powerpc-sony-linux- TMPDIR==/tmp KERNEL_SRC==linux KBUILD_OUTPUT==../build/ebony kimage==zImage kinstall_cmd==cp -v $KBUILD_OUTPUT/arch/ppc/boot/images/zImage.ebony /target/ebony/boot get_kernel_cmd==tla get -A alp@oak--trial-5 alp-linux--dev $KERNEL_SRC get_config_cmd=="""export CVSRSH==/usr/bin/ssh ; cd $TMPDIR ; cvs -d :ext:oak.sm.sony.co.jp:/var/cvsroot co local-dev/team/configs/config-ebony-baseline ; cd - cp $TMPDIR/local-dev/team/configs/config-ebony-baseline $KBUILD_OUTPUT/.config""" target_bin==/devel/usr/bin copy_to_cmd==cp $src /target/ebony$dest copy_from_cmd==cp /target/ebony$src $dest rm_cmd==rm -f /target/ebony/$dest
Configuration attribute details
This section lists each configuration attribute, and what its value should be.
- target
- Short (one-word) name of the target
- description
- A description of the target board. Usually this is a multi-line value.
- Path where toolchain tools are located. This appended to the PATH env. variable
- Architecture specifier for the kernel build (eg. arm, ppc, i386)
- Toolchain prefix used with kernel builds (eg. arm-sony-linux- )
- Place where kernel is installed
- Default name to use for kernel source directory
- Default directory for kernel build output
- kimage
- Name of the kernel image file (eg. bzImage, uImage)
- kinstall_cmd
- Command(s) to install the kernel image. (Assumes that the current working dir is $KERNEL_SRC)
- get_config_cmd
- Command(s) to put a default kernel configuration file (.config) in $KBUILD_OUTPUT
- get_kernel_cmd
- Command(s) to put the kernel source code in $KERNEL_SRC.
- copy_to_cmd
- Command(s) to copy files from host to target
- copy_from_cmd
- Command(s) to copy files from target to host
- rm_cmd
- Command(s) to remove files from target
- ipaddr
- Target IP address
- reset_cmd
- Command(s) to reset the target, from the host
- console_cmd
- Command(s) to start an interactive console for the target (usually minicom)
- login_cmd
- Command(s) to start an interactive login session with the target (usually telnet)
- target_bin
- Directory on target where binary files are located
- fsinstall_cmd
- Command(s) to install a root filesystem to the target


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A cannier operator would have exposed 'sexist' message while keeping her identity hidden
In some quarters the LinkedIn message lawyer row has been spun as an optimistic tale of a tech-savvy young feminist outwitting a sexist dinosaur in the progressive arena of social media.
Proudman's brilliant use of her computer's screenshot function, followed by her rapid dissemination of the image on Twitter, is the sort of bold move that is contributing to making old prejudices extinct, we have been told.
But strip away the ideological distractions, and you are left with the real story: a young, inexperienced barrister — let's remember for a moment that the Mansfield Chambers family law junior is just 27 — took the decision to make public a piece of ill-judged private correspondence from a senior member of her extremely hierarchical profession. And the consequences have been explosive.
This was a terrible move for a lawyer to make. What members of the legal profession sell — particularly the self-employed hot shot barrister ones — is their knowledge of the rules and associated ability to push them to their limits, without breaking them. In breaching the convention of respect for private communications — which is a particularly big deal for the law with its love of all that "without prejudice" jargon — Proudman came across as unreliable and reckless. Worse, she exposed herself as someone who doesn't really understand the game she is playing.
Tuckers boss Franklin Sinclair's was a bit mean in publicly vowing to never instruct Proudman again, but anyone with moderate experience of the legal world could have predicted important solicitors would react like this.
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The answer is obviously that she could have kept her name out of this. If Proudman had been more media savvy she would have taken the screenshot and then sent it anonymously with her name and photo redacted — and Carter-Silk's in full view — to the press.
Certainly Legal Cheek — and no doubt our competitors — would have been delighted to publish it. That's the way the making public of private correspondence works: it's possible, but to protect yourself you have to do it via a third party and not from your own Twitter account. At which point, Carter-Silk would have been in an impossible position. Because for him to have responded and revealed Proudman's identity he would have had to have assumed the role of the active party, and been the bad guy who not only sent an inappropriate message but needlessly ruined the career of a poor junior barrister.
Having said all of that, we shouldn't be too hard on Proudman. She's not long out of university let alone bar school and she clearly has guts. Her career will recover from this, and perhaps even benefit, if — and it's a big if given her reaction so far — she can be honest enough with herself to ignore all the armchair Twitter supporters egging her on and admit that she got this one wrong. After all, she's now the best known junior barrister in the country.
Boss of top legal aid firm vows to never instruct LinkedIn message barrister Charlotte Proudman again [Legal Cheek]
Feminist barrister tweets screenshot of senior male solicitor's 'sexist' LinkedIn message [Legal Cheek]


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La Plage
Illustration © The Estate of John David Roberts. Reproduced with the permission of the William Roberts Society. Catalogue information based on the catalogue raisonné by David Cleall. For this and full details of the exhibitions cited, see the links below. Any auction prices quoted may not include all fees and taxes, such as VAT and Artist's Resale Right charges.
La Plage (inscribed as title), c.1917
Pencil, pen, ink and watercolour, 15.2 cm x 12 cm
In his Memories of the War to End War 191418, Roberts describes how in the winter of 191617 he accompanied a Lieutenant Duthey as a servant for a week's rest to Paris-Plage near Boulogne. The title may refer to this location.
PROVENANCE: WR until 1980 > private collection, London, until 1987
EXHIBITION HISTORY: Anthony d'Offay Gallery (2) 1980, New York 1984, New York 1987, Parkin Gallery 1996
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