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Sony plans March firmware update for Alpha 7 and 7R
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Sony A7 & A7R gets a update , but what about the Sony RX1 ? It's been out a lot longer.
I hope they will address the issue of 11bit (!) RAW recording with this FW release, as per http://www.rawdigger.com/howtouse/sony-craw-arw2-posterization-detection
I don't understand why I can not download "timelapse" app!!!
It is not available for Portugal. That is stupid ... :/
Faz um novo registo mas mete o teu país como UK por exemplo...
E depois aproveita tambem para actualizar a Smart Remote Control app.
I am not sure it could be done by firmware updates, but it would be nice if Sony added a function allowing multiple exposures on a single frame...maybe 10 exposures like Nikon and Canon.
It is possible using a built in app
Breaking news!
There are some hot rumors, from a reliable source, that other cameras builders will announce that in a near future, maybe, in some cases, a firmware update. This is exclusive report! Stay tune.
Uh...this is an announcement from Sony...not "some hot rumors" from the rumor mill. You might want to read the article again: "Sony has announced an upcoming firmware update for its Alpha 7 and 7R full-frame mirrorless cameras. Due on March 19th..."
When other camera manufacturers announce firmware updates, I would expect those announcements to be mentioned by dpreview, too.
These days, firmware updates can be just as important and newsworthy as new product announcements. After all, we live in a software/firmware-based world now, not just a nuts-and-bolts world.
Is this the first time that an *announcement* of a FW update has been syndicated, rather than its actual availability? Will this get reported twice now, or what? Recent Pentax FW updates did not get a mention...
The announcement has a bit of a marketing angle more than being a simple service to current users.
"Hey, you thought the A7's were too beta to buy? Buy one now and on March 19th, we promise we will make it worthwhile."
Depends if there was a press release or not. DPR sometimes makes an entry when a manufacturer announces the update or sometimes when the update is available, usually the latter as that is when the press release is.
However sometimes they pre announce FW updates if that is when they are notified of it.
Sometimes manufacturers don't do a press release as such and therefore unlikely to grace these pages.
I'm not convinced that a press release is necessary to get things reported. Previous Pentax FW updates have been reported without, AFAIK, being given a press release. Compare, for instance, with how it was reported here: http://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2014/03/07/firmware-friday-pentax-preps-for-1.4x-rear-converter-sony-alpha-7-series-mi
It's getting reported because the a7 and a7r have been extremely popular on site. Just look at the amount of comments on each review. Whether people like the cameras or not, I they are getting a lot of attention so when dpreview post stuff stuff about them it's good business for them.
canon has press released future major firmware updates ie: the 7D, 5D Mark II, 5D Mark III and 1Dx firmware updates.
Improve IQ, maybe the raw engine is recoded. I always thought my D600 raw had tad better noise then the my A7 and I use the same lenses on both. Both are the same sony 24mp sensor, except the a7 maybe has turned some of the sensor area into phase detection af. The E mount or what I like to say alpha mount should have been bigger or just have been an a mount in the first place.
As for the light leak rumor technie photographer like to bring up:
I have no light leak on the A7 and I did this with the 24-70 kit lens at 30 sec at 25600 iso (hypothetically a setting I never use).
Only when I put my nikon to nex adapter do I see light leak. Since it is not a sony official adapter it isn't a sony problem on mine.
The Nikon D600 uses a different processing engine--likely made for Nikon by Fuji. Sony's image processing chips+firmware don't have as good a reputation. And the Nikon's raws aren't compressed.
Has very little to do with processors, much more with OSPDAF (hence why the A7R and D800e are so close) and CFA's.
Not really, there's that compressed raw problem with A7r too.
(A lot of grain and not great colour in the A7r ISO 4000 raw I just checked. The 2500 ISO raw shot in similar circumstances with the D800 is a lot better.)
And the A7+A99 lag behind the Nikon bodies which use nearly the same sensor, yes the Sonys use a variation with PDAF.
Simply: That BIONZ engine Sony uses isn't great. Now Sony could fix a bit of this with non-compressed raws.
The "problem" that you might only encounter in very particular conditions (extreme contrasty transitions), while pushing RAW files several stops and while pixel peeping. Yeah, such a problem that barely anyone knew it existed on all Sony cameras released since the A900/A850.
The OP was talking about noise, which the A7 has more than the D600/D610 mostly due to OSPDAF and different CFA's (for better colour separation). The A7R does not have OSPDAF, hence why it measures within measuring error of a D800.
No idea why you're starting to confuse things by throwing in more factors such as SLT (wich takes half a stop by itself). And the noise factors mentioned above have little to do with Bionz, which is mostly taking care of jpeg processing.... OSPDAF and CFA's, that's all one needs to know to explain 90% of the difference.
The A900/A850 were the last to offer uncompressed RAW next to the currently used cRAW. Even back then people had trouble finding a difference.
The A900 makes the case perfectly; it was never as good at raws as the Nikon D3x and used the same sensor. So that would be a failure of in camera processing of raws by the A900.
The A99 SLT actually seems to have better color than the A7, Zeiss lenses in both cases. True about noise.
And that's where you make another set of assumptions and thinking errors.
First, the A900 offered uncompressed RAW, which nullifies the compressed RAW argument
Second, the D3X used a newer and adjusted version of the same sensor (it came out half a year after the A900 and offered 14 bit RAW, which the A850/A900 did not, 2.7 to 4 times the price had to pay off somewhere...).
Third, the A900 was mostly lagging in RAW performance because the Adobe demosaicing for Sony ARW's was horrible until the release of LR3. Plenty of threads about that back then to back that up. After that and with RAW NR set to zero, the differences became much smaller.
Which indeed points at sub par processing, mostly on behalf of the RAW converter, rather than the camera.
The point you keep missing: even with uncompressed raws there are problems with Sony processors. This is well known. Like Nikon it's a reason that Leica M bodies do some much better than the DXO specs for the sensor say they should, because Leica uses better Fuji processors.
Why rely on one raw extraction program to (not) prove your point?
that would be a nice fw update to get 14bits
I rarely do push/pull process of extreme recovery of over 2+ or 2- EV. If your pic too dark, reshoot it again and avoid using extreme push/pull process then it will still look fine in raw whether is compressed or not. For someone who want to do extreme process like over 2 +- EV, then the 14 or 16 bit lossless raw would be needed.
It's a great camera but 2 things would have been nice:
Favorites menu
2nd curtain shutter - or whatever thy call it.
separation of delay shutter from bracketing.
evf/lcd selection as a custom function
remote live view software - for the love of Mike.
That's a long 2 .
Compressed raws and a very very loud shutter, two more problems.
Loud shutter can be hardly addressed by firmware.
And compressed RAW is not really that big issue, is it? There is no visible difference, at least with my A900 there was none. And I have seen many comparisons (including post-processing extremes like adjusting exposure to +5 etc.) - if there is any difference (well, there has to be), it's indistinguishable.
I would like OSS enabled with APS-C lenses please.
With this new firmware Sony´s cameras will heel itself from light leaks and awful construction? or maybe automatically transfer a 20% of it price to my bank account?
Does Nikon and Canon and Fujifilm firmware also remove the non-issue light leak? Nikon and Canon DSLRs have far worse light leaks at ISO 250000000000 and 30s
That´s why personaly I use Pentax (K-5II no issue). In my job I use a Sony and it have the worst construction.
(/sarcasm on) Yes. Because the construction of a camera invariably affects the quality of the image. (/sarcasm off)
(/sarcasm off) When your camera don't work or don't last enough you can't get any image from it.
When my camera doesn't work, or doesn't last. I'll buy a new one.
As will you.
What nonsense Waxwaine. The light leak has no impact in real life photography. A Canon and Nikon DSLR that were tested in the same way had worse leaks when tested!
What awful construction are you talking about.
Faster startup times implies that we've been running on debug code so far. If that's true, we might see a lot of things improve overall.
Where is tethering by cable?
Where is display switching by function button?
Where is the option to single press for live view enlargement?
Where is the uncompressed RAW option?
it really is a shame how Sony ignores the possibility of making that the ultimate studio camera.
but smooth reflection seems to be high on everey user's wishlist.
Tethering through cable is already possible:
Check out this test - http://francoismalan.com/2011/10/raw-12bit-or-14bit-lossy-or-lossless/
There is little advantage to shooting uncompressed RAW.
Wait for the update - who knows what else is included.
Trolls can't wait, they need food NOW!
@brendon1000 .. that's a nikon example which is entirely different than the kludge sony uses to create a compressed lossy raw file.
i don't get why some are so defending the lack of this option.. it simply makes a good camera better. considering it already exists on the A77 and A99 - you'd think it would not be a big deal.
maybe if less people apologized for sony's firmware, maybe sony would do more.
@ rrccad:
Could you explain how Nikon compresses its RAW files to avoid the "kludge" and still get similarly sized files? Details are welcome.
easy. when looking at a compressed NEF i don't see nikon normalizing the unique data values down to 1770 per each color channel.
Nikon lossy compressed NEFs throw away data too, just in a way less "friendly" to the hardware (which was obviously the goal of the compressed ARW algorithm).
All Sony cameras since the A900/A850 (which still offered the choice between compressed and uncompressed), have only offered compressed ARW's.
Would be nice if they bring back the choice though.
I agreed TojMacReady, we would like to see that in A7/A7R too! Becuase in shadow there are huge difference between non compressed and compressed.
sorry, tethering works, but there is no live view feed through the cable. nor is it possible to send the live view to a tablet while being connected to a cable.
somehow the only company, who understands tethering with live view is canon. neither nikon nor phase one nor Sony nor Hasselblad's implementation allows a fluid worflow.
What does "support for fast AF mean"? Is it something separate from support for the new 70-200? Could it be a general AF speed upgrade, or perhaps enabling AF in the faster burst mode?
Unfortunately it seems specific for the FE70200.
Perhaps then it's support for the focus limiting buttons. But are you sure? I know it was listed in the same line as mention of support for the 70-200, but it seemed pretty ambiguous to me and the translations are not that terrific!
Thank you in advance for the pre-announcement of the firmware upgrade.
Most criticism DPR had in the reviews were due to the software. So if Sony can fix some of these issues it should be a great update.
My other hopes are the use use of center button wheel for magnification in playback mode and the wheel for magnification. Just like on the RX cameras and the NEX.
Yes. I can't for the life of me figure out why I have to press a badly placed button for zooming, instead of just spinning a wheel (I have three of them, and two function identically). Sony. Please.
These sort of arbitrary interface decisions are a constant irritation for me. Customization is the first thing that every advanced user asks for, and yet most camera manufacturers never seem to take the hint. Seriously, just build in the capability to reassign any function to any control point, and be done with it. You want the mostly useless movie button to zoom the LCD? The play button to trip the shutter? The mode dial to set fixed focusing distances? Whatever you say, boss.
Hey, we could even let people exchange button preferences via a mobile app. About 80% of the usability complaints for any given model are immediately nullified.
Tanks Fuji.
But that's probably giving camera manufacturers too much credit. So I'd rather say : at last, Sony.
Why because Fuji gave their users focus peaking via a firmware update and improved the menus a bit? Oh gosh I wish Sony would that... Oh wait, they did, long before Fuji made a mirrorless camera. But yeah, no you're right, everyone is copying Fuji now.
Maybe every camera manufacturer can release betaware like Fuji do and then provide trickle updates, the focus definitely feels snappier after all ;)
Oh agree with you.. Fuji merely fixed stuff that should have been there long ago... but so does Sony with that update. They're all as rubbish as each others. Still, if Fuji didn't make a habit of releasing firmware updates to do so, I bet Sony wouldn't have moved an inch. Actually the only camera manufacturer who seems to release firmware updates not just to fix something that was really bad but to actually improve an already pretty decent camera is evil Canon. Both the 7D and 1Dx firmware updates weren't asked for and yet each one of them brought as many improvements to those cameras as all the improvements Fuji brought in several upgrades to a X-pro 1 for example.
Sony release plenty of firmware updates, including adding peaking to cameras that didn't have it and adding various features to the UI. More common though are simple updates to support new lenses and lens profiles and the like.
So far as Canon 7D update goes, well that's another debate, but I wholeheartedly believe they were deliberately holding back on the original release to keep 'upgrades' for the next model. When release times kept getting pushed further and further back, they released a firmware update to keep the 7D, which is even now still a 'current model' a bit more current. 1DX I don't know a heap about that update, but my guess is it had something to do with a likely D4S announcement.
The only manufacturer that I think of 'above' the others with regards to FW updates on already solid cameras is Ricoh and they have definitely been doing it a lot longer than Fuji.
Oh and Nikon are by far the worst, deliberately breaking third party battery support AFTER people buy the camera and additional batteries... That makes them the dunce of FW updates.
I believe Panasonic too blocks third party batteries with updates.
Would be nice if Sony allowed for the recording of uncompressed raws, that should be easy.
Harder: make the shutter quieter under at least some circumstances.
seems like it would be easy .. of course it would slow down already slow cameras, but i would rather have uncompressed.
secondly give me the option to remove the other raw cooking while they are at it.
When I've shot some test raws with the A7, it didn't seem particularly slow, and that was with a betatype.
No, it wasn't a sports action camera but it worked for several raws in a row, before I got bored. So a good bit faster than say the Nikon D7100, not sure if it's faster than the Nikon D600, haven't tried that full frame Nikon in a while, but the D600 sure does better raws.
i'm thinking more the A7R.
however i would sacrifice speed for non-lossy raw files.
Don't remember that being particularly slow, perhaps. The A7r is a less interesting body to me because of high ISO performance limits.
Anyhow: There's likely to be future versions.
I bracket :p
Ah, okay.
Yeah why not add lossless non compression RAW option to it? We need it for professional shooting even amatuerish would like that too. That would be a lot advantage for low light photography at long exposure or at higher ISO when we do pull/push shadow in raw processing.
well if they fix the stupid compression sony may just have me as a customer for a pair of A7R's.
Unbelievable how the FUD actually works...
What did we have already?
- shutter virbration
- light leak
- RAW compression
It appears as if the competition finds a new way to spread more FUD about the A7 each month. They must be really afraid of losing market share.
According to Imaging-Resource the light leak is a bit of a myth.
However the compressed raw thing is really annoying, and Sony should have known better, unless Sony wanted to give the colour advantages to Nikon.
And the incredibly loud shutter is unacceptable for a mirrorless body–the D4 and D610 sure can be quiet by comparison. Leica learnt its lesson with the M8.
The lenses are promising, unlike the native Sony lenses for the Nex mirrorless system (or whatever the name is this month).
The alleged shutter issue wasn't about sound but about vibration.
The light leak is no worse than in other cameras.
And Sony RAW has been compressed since the A900, also on the A99, and nobody ever had any significant problem with that.
FUD? sounds like you are trying to make excuses, mick232. like i said if you could read. i'll buy a pair of A7R's if they fix it. I'm hoping they do.
fixing the compression is an easy fix via firmware for Sony to do since it already exists on other sony bodies. funny you mention the A99 .. which has the option to save in a non-lossy format. normalizing each channel of the bayer sensor down to 1770 unique values per image doesn't do anyone any good.
RAW's should be somewhat future proofed - people like you are letting sony off the hook for bad algorithms.
The A99 can save in uncompressed RAW? Prove it! I do own the A99 and can tell you that there is no such option.
I don't care what's alleged. The A7/r's shutters are way too loud, I've tried the cameras.
(Note the loudness may add to vibration problems.)
I guess they use RAW compression to speed up operation, particularly in the case of the a7r. Can you see the impact rrccad or is this a just a matter of principle for you?
Buy either an a7 or an a7r. You wont be sorry.
there's been numerous threads in the sony forum, samples on diglloyd's site, and so on and so forth. Given the known weaknesses of the compression algorithm - it's just really easy to break.
@mick232 - my mistake - A900.
I'm leaning to a A7 (since i'll be removing the hot filter anyways, it's reflections should not have an impact) but i have to admit part of me wants the A7R i just don't know if i need the extra. Regardless, I tend to push and pull RAW's a great degree, which this compression isn't really suitable for. I'm eagerly awaiting this firmware and hoping it corrects what seems to be an oversight for cameras that are being promoted as delivering ultimate IQ.
What about a fix for the issue of having to change quality modes from RAW to jpeg when activating the HDR function? Happens with a few other functions too - they are simply not valid in RAW mode.
Though, thinking about it... perhaps temporarily disengaging raw mode, whilst convenient, is not the answer. How would Sony know when to switch RAW mode back on?
Maybe Sony could reorganise the menus and update the manual and then I could start using the custom dial to easily switch in and out of raw mode or something.
Can't you just use one of the custom presets on the Mode dial as an "HDR" mode? Then just switch to it when you need it. I'm not 100% certain but I think there's a way to do this.
I'm really happy I got the A7 and not the A7R.....
Could you write why? I have A7 as well. Would like to know your opinion. Thank you.
And how is your happiness with your choice related to this update?
Increased hybrid AF only effects the A7 and not the A7R. As I am a street shooter, I find the autofocus capabilities on A7 better that the A7R. The update enhances this for the A7
And what about the dreaded triple button push for live loupe? I want a simple one-touch action like on the NEX series.
I´d also like to add a minimum shutter speed for Auto ISO.
Is anyone listening out there? SONY?
Its two presses, but hey who's counting when we can have a whinge instead? Guess you've used the camera a lot then?
Oh and there is this thing called manual, it allows you to use Auto ISO and guess what? You can use any shutter speed you like. But you've used the camera a lot, so you already know that.... As an expert and all.
i returned mine due to the suffocating delay starting time, i hope they have a fix for the lightleak issue as well
the "lightleak issue" of ISO 25.000 picuters taken at 30 seconds exposure time with close lens cap and a torchlight around the mount. Has seriously someone "suffererd" from these light leaks in real life?
It's like using fire hose at 5 bar pressure for 30 minutes to test the water resistancy of the camera. After this test (any volunteers) we will have a "watergate affair" as well...
This guy had a blog post with a great fix: cheap, unobtrusive and worked for me too.
You just need a hair band. Less messy than black tape.
Here's a good comparison of the issue, next to other high end cameras from Nikon and Canon:
An illuminating outcome indeed.
DYpic(ky) the light leaks don't impact normal photography. A Nikon and Canon also tested with these extreme conditions leaked more, so what do you say to that?
As for start up time, I turned my a7 on five hours ago and I am still waiting for it to boot up. What a scandal. I must send it back as soon as I can turn it off.
I thought the time-lapse mode is a $10 downloadable add-in and not a camera feature that can updated by firmware.
It is a downloadable app. Maybe they made some changes on the camera to allow for the improvements in exposure.
<troll>I don't actually own a Sony A7. Like most people didn't own the 5DIII or D600 when they came out but saw fit to hop on the bandwagon and complain. But this is me marching in the street anyway. With torches and flaming cocktails beckoning answers in regard to the A7 bayonet light leak I just read about. Nice firmware update.</troll>
I have the A7R and the A7 and I have yet to invoke the so called light leak issue. I suppose at the highest ISO possible with an LED flash light held as close at to the lens mount as possible at 30+seconds it just might be a problem for the A7/A7r cameras. Of course if you buy a 10$ lens adapter for your legacy lenses all bets are off. Given the stress test that have lead to the light leak discussion(s) which by the way has nothing to do with taking pictures - it just might be a problem for most cameras.
The scenarios that show the "light leaks" are that unrealistic for real world use, only 0,001% of the owners "might" ever recognize it.
Like anything else with manufacturing, it affects some A7 cameras more than others. For some people it will show up if you do 1 or 2 minute exposures with black glass (i.e. a Big Stopper) in daylight. Others have no light leaks at all.
Here my 4:45 exp on an a7r
Can you see the light leak...
Try the exact same light leak test on any of your DSLR's and tell us your findings!
Will this make it not slow?
If you turn off camera, then turn on immediately, the start-up time is painful slow. I guess that because there is some sweeping works to do after you turn off camera. You need to finish those works before start-up jobs to begin.
I think firmware changes can preempt some unfinished sweeping jobs. and for start-up jobs, it can be optimized by executing them async-ly.
They did not fix the auto-ISO? Bummer.
my auto iso works just fine
I shoot in M mode
The Auto ISO really needs an update as it does NOT work properly in any other mode besides the Manual mode.The camera does not open aperture (up to widest possible) or adjust shutter speed (to roughly the 1/focal length rule) before adjusting the ISO, it maxes out the ISO before adjusting shutter speed or aperture! Every other sensible camera on the planet does it differently (Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Panasonic, etc). He**, even on my Sony RX100 the Auto ISO works as it should, but not on the A7!
I don't worry about the auto ISO. I tend to change that myself, the only auto function I tend to use is auto WB. In either aperture or shutter priority this works well.
Some people don't care or worry. But for the majority of the users it would be nice if Sony could fix it.
So Arn wants auto-ISO to be manual-ISO instead of auto? Just as a reminder: auto means the camera decides, manual means you decide.
A quick look at Paul's posting history reveals that he obviously can't help himself. But I hope one day will come the realisation that a fanboy-denial-attitude is not helpful.
Fujifilm introduced a user-selectable lowest shutter speed for auto-ISO after pressure from users (many of whom didn't understand the original method) and now some eminent reviewers are considering this a bad thing as it does not take account of the focal length of the mounted lens (which the original Fuji implementation did and I guess Sony's does also)
Nspur: like I wrote previously, with Auto ISO, the A7 does not take into account either the 1/fl rule or brightest aperture. The camera sticks mostly to 1/60 seconds (in A/P) or f/4 (in S/P) regardless of focal length or largest aperture. This happens even with the razor-sharp-wide-open 55/1.8. That's not an "auto" feature.
@Arn/TinyTempo, is that with Sony/Zeiss lenses or only with
70-200mm f/4 FE, perhaps?
This is just to keep the firmware-update trolls from trolling. Even though there really isn't anything that needs to be adressed by these updates, people will simply feel better when there is one. It's like mirrors, you don't really need them but some photographers cling to them.
Now who is trolling?
Right, makes perfect sense that Sony would develop and announce an un-needed firmware update. Funny how the pretend fixes address concerns raised in numerous reviews.
To a fan, all is perfection so updating firmware would mean admitting a flaw. But these things rarely do any harm so why not.
yes there is .. namely give the A7(R) the same option as the A77 and A99 far as compression being lossy or lossless.
Or you could buy the camera that has the features you want and stop wasting time on stupid forums.
@Paul1974. yes because your posts are so constructive and useful.
I hope I can straight select focus point by the 5-point selector,
otherwise AF-C is left far behind
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I don't normally watch those singing/performing reality-contest shows. But...I was flipping through channels tonight and landed on The Sing-Off and caught the group from Nashville, Street Corner Symphony, doind Radiohead's Creep acappela(sp?) It was awesome.
Check it out.
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The song is what's awesome. One of the best ever.
Radiohead's version kills this one too although I still enjoyed this.
What is so cool about this is it's all voices. I agree, it's the song that's great and I love Radiohead. It got me to stop on that show, and honestly there were some pretty cool performances.
I think the guy was Lukas Rossi on Rock Star and he did this song. The emotion was incredible. It's probably my favorite version. I'm not much for acappela.
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I think the Pretender's cover of Creep surpasses even Radiohead's original.
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I think the Pretender's cover of Creep surpasses even Radiohead's original.
That's a pretty cool cover as well. Kick *** song!
I just watched this show tonight for the first time. Wish I would have discovered it earlier. These guys got my vote. Their rendition of CCR's Down on the Corner was better than the original.
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I just watched this show tonight for the first time. Wish I would have discovered it earlier.
You can watch previous (full) episodes at nbc.com.
I've watched both seasons although we're still catching up on this season. Haven't watched either episode from this week yet. It really is a good show and the groups are better this season than last.
Originally Posted by CloneFan65
I think the Pretender's cover of Creep surpasses even Radiohead's original.
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I don't really like most covers, especially when they completely change the tempo and style of the song (see Chris Cornell - Billie Jean and Everclear - Brown Eyed Girl). This one isn't too bad though. Just as long as they don't mess with the songs from OK Computer.
This show is so awesome, but too many people don't want to watch it, cause it's not "manly" enough. Seriously, these are awesome individuals. I especially like Street Corner Symphony, and tonight there "Down on the Corner" was GREAT
Impressive that they were able to do it acapella but it does lose something as well without that guitar distortion.
wow, that was really impressive. this show is full of very talented singers, but i agree that the song selection seems to be more liberal & creative on this show vs. American Idol & You think you've got talent?....
radiohead is a great choice though.....they're kind of like U2 to me, but much more alternative and creative w/ their instruments/vocals.
good post.
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Jason Hawkins has spent the last three seasons at UC Santa Barbara.
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SALT LAKE CITY - Utah baseball coach Bill Kinneberg has announced the hiring of Jason Hawkins as associate head coach for the Utes. Hawkins, who comes to Utah after three years as head assistant coach at UC Santa Barbara, will also serve as the team's hitting coach.
"I'm very excited about the chance to work with Jason," Kinneberg said. "He comes to us with a wealth of experience, both as a head coach and as an assistant at his last job at UCSB. When I went into this search, we wanted to hire the best hitting coach that we could get, and someone with ties to the west coast for recruiting. Jason fits those things for us. He has been involved in a program that has improved to become a force in the west at Santa Barbara, and his recruiting ties will be extremely valuable for us. He will add a lot to our program not just as a coach, but as a person. I'm really excited about the opportunity to work with him."
Hawkins replaces Bryan Kinneberg, who was an assistant coach for the Utes for seven years.
"I'm very excited about the opportunity to help the program continue to improve in any way I can," Hawkins said. "Coach Kinneberg and his staff are an awesome group of professionals and I am eager to learn from them. The athletic tradition at Utah is something I'm looking forward to being a part of. Coaching in the Pac-12, one of the best conferences in the country, will be a challenge, but one that I am eager to tackle.
At UC Santa Barbara, Hawkins implemented and managed the offense, and was responsible for skill development of all facets of the offence, catching and outfield play. UCSB is coming off back-to-back 30-win seasons for the first time since 1991-92. The 2014 team was ranked as high as 10th nationally by Collegiate Baseball Newspaper. In 2013, the Gauchos earned an NCAA Regional berth for the first time since 2001 and finished tied for second in the Big West Conference.
Under Hawkins, the UCSB offense improved each year statistically in batting average, on-base percentage and stolen bases. The team led the Big West in stolen bases all three years. In 2014, the Gauchos were 21st in the NCAA in stolen bases per game (1.65), and ranked second in the conference in batting average, on-base percentage, slugging percentage, runs scored, doubles and RBI.
Six offensive players have been drafted out of UCSB over the last three seasons. Utility player Joey Epperson earned first-team All-America honors in 2014. He ranked 14th in the NCAA in on-base percentage and was a 13th-round draft pick. Brandon Trinkwon was a seventh-round selection in 2013 while outfielder Brett Vertigan was drafted in the 10th round in 2012. Vertigan was also an all-region selection. Robby Nesovic was a Freshman All-American in 2013 and the Big West Freshman Field Player of the Year.
Hawkins brings 10 years of experience coaching at the collegiate level to the Utes. Before joining UCSB he was the head coach at Occidental College from 2009-11. In three seasons, he improved Occidental's record from 16-24 (6-15 in the Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference) his first year in 2009 to a 23-16 record in 2011, finishing tied for third in the conference standings with an 18-10 league mark. Occidental led the conference and ranked in the top 10 nationally in stolen bases all three seasons, while Jason Jebbia and Logan Allen both earned all-region honors.
He spent four years as head assistant coach at the University of Redlands as infield and hitting coach and recruiting coordinator. Consistently one of the top teams in the league, Redlands led the SCIAC in batting average every year, setting a new school record in 2008 with a .363 team average. The team was first or second in the conference in fielding percentage and stolen bases three of his four years with the team. Redlands ranked first in the NCAA in double plays per game in 2007, while ranking seventh in the country in stolen bases.
Hawkins also spent two years with the Palm Springs Power in the Southern California Collegiate summer league (2006-07), helping them to back-to-back league titles. He was a pitching coach for the Corvallis Knights in the West Coast Collegiate summer league in 2008. The Knights finished first in the West division and won the WCL championship.
Before joining the college ranks, Hawkins was a head coach at Desert Hot Springs High School in California (1999-2004) and Springfield High School in Oregon (1995-96) and also served as an assistant coach at North Eugene High School in Oregon (1997-98).
Hawkins received a bachelor's degree in English and history from Western Oregon State in 1995, and earned a master's in teaching with an emphasis in English from Pacific University in 1998. Hawkins and his wife Angela have two children, eight-year-old Will and seven-year-old Cal.


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Flogging Molly, our beloved friends of Irish Punk, contributed this recording of "The Times They Are A-Changin'" to the new tribute to 50 years of Amnesty International, Chimes of Freedom: The Songs of Bob Dylan Honoring 50 Years of Amnesty International. The lads' version shows classic Flogging Molly style, Dave King opens the first verse gently, Dylan-esque, over acoustic guitar, penny whistle (Bridget Regan), and finally mandolin (Bob Schmidt). Of course, he scream-counts the full band in for the second verse. FM fans won't miss the beloved punk-beat, and instruments' staccato on-beat punchy segue back into King's denouement. Of course, this sentimental moment is broken by the classic Molly version of the punk big finish.
This has always been one of my favourite Dylan songs, and would performed it live toward the end of the night. The Elders, as well, have used this as a mainstay of their live shows; an appropriate cover to complement their now-vast catalogue of original compositions.
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November 3, 2013
Obamacare Made My Premiums Go Up
Editor's Note: The following is the opinion of redOrbit writer/blogger Peter Suciu and does not necessarily represent the opinions or position of redOrbit.
Lately I've been dreading any letter that was coming from United Healthcare/Golden Rule, as I expected that there was a chance that my premium might go up, or even worse, that my coverage would be canceled. I knew I probably wasn't going to like the changes with the Affordable Health Care Act – aka Obamacare.
I also knew – as many expected – that Obamacare was going to be controversial. I don't like it for a laundry list of reasons, not the least of which that it forces everyone to have health insurance or pay a penalty. Isn't not having insurance already a penalty when you get sick or injured and have to pay out of pocket? Over the years there have been time that my wife and I have opted to go without insurance because we're self-employed and didn't want the monthly expense.
Now we have coverage, and like many who pay for it out of pocket we don't think we're getting a fair deal. Wasn't Obamacare supposed to make it better? Don't answer, because I never expected it to really improve.
What I didn't expect however was that people would be dropped despite promises that "if you liked your plan you could keep it."
Recently on FoxNews, syndicated columnist George Will noted, "It is possible that more people since the first of October have lost their coverage than have signed up for the Affordable Care Act, government program, in all 50 states."
I learned not to discuss politics a long time ago, and I'm not about to start now. However, politics aside this isn't exactly what I expected, and I doubt anyone else did so let's get back on target.
I was not happy with my coverage, which carried a $5,000 deductable. This week I received that dreaded letter and it was the lesser of two evils. It stated that "we are working hard to provide our customers with quality insurance at an affordable cost. In spite of our efforts, medical costs continue to go up due to the increased use and higher charges for health care products and services."
It then added, "Periodically, we have to adjust payment rates to compensate for the rising costs of health care. These payment adjustments are not based on your individual claim costs. They are based on the combined costs of all company policyholiders who have the same plan. Everyone covered by this plan in your state is receiving a rate adjustment."
Wow! For my wife and me this meant an increase of more than $78 per month! How exactly did the Affordable Health Care Act make this more affordable?
At this point our only option is pay more than 20 percent more for health care, or we could increase the deductable to $10,000 and actually save some money – and by save I basically mean pay for something we have to pray we never use.
Now I understand that the plan in this was to ensure that more people are covered, but I'm hardly alone in this story. Atlantic Wire reported that one woman is looking at nearly a 1000 percent increase in her health care costs, so that makes my complaint about 20 percent seem mild.
There are now even conspiracy theories that the Healthcare.gov site is crashing because it is a way to keep Americans from knowing the cost of health care.
What isn't a conspiracy is what Obamacare has always been about, as noted by Forbes:
"Obamacare wasn't designed to help healthy people with average incomes get health insurance. It was designed to force those people to pay more for coverage, in order to subsidize insurance for people with incomes near the poverty line, and those with chronic or costly medical conditions."
See in the old days I actually made a decent living and because I was young and healthy opted not to pay for health insurance. As many younger people do this they don't pay into the system and it has become clear they need to do so, because if only the sick pay for insurance – and worse use it, well it becomes something else.
It becomes a Ponzi scheme. And we all know how those work out.
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'I Remember Mama' shows adversity and humor in family lifePlay opens June 8 at Possum Hall in Georgetown
Opening Friday, June 8, at Possum Hall in Georgetown, the Possum Point Players production of "I Remember Mama," set in San Francisco circa 1910, has its share of adversity as well as hilarity.
For example, after making a house call, Dr. Johnson (portrayed by Brian Jones of Rehoboth Beach) tells the family that youngest daughter Dagmar (portrayed by Dory McCormick of Millsboro) has a serious mastoid infection and must be operated on immediately. It also turns out that Dagmar's cousin Arne (portrayed by Sean Davis of Rehoboth Beach) is in the hospital recovering from knee surgery. The comedy ensues when family members begin arguing in the hospital lobby and a nurse (portrayed by Marsha Shull of Ocean View) has to bring things under control.
This is just one of the sometimes hilarious, sometimes poignant scenes in "I Remember Mama," which has been described as "one of the most heartwarming depictions of American life yet to reach the stage." There are 21 actors in this show, which is one of the largest comedy casts assembled for Possum Point Players.
"I Remember Mama" is being performed at 8 p.m., Friday and Saturday, June 8, 9, 15 and 16, and at 2 p.m., Sunday, June 10 and 17, at Possum Hall in Georgetown. Tickets are $18 for adults, $17 for students and seniors, and $5 for children 12 and under. Tickets are now on sale online at www.possumpointplayers.org and also by phone at 302-856-4560.
"I Remember Mama" is being produced through special arrangement with Dramatists Play Service Inc.
Possum Point Players is supported, in part, by grants from the Delaware Division of the Arts, a state agency dedicated to nurturing and supporting the arts in Delaware, in partnership with the National Endowment for the Arts.


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remain close to the level seen in Q2 FY14 (1.2% of GDP), Crisil said.
The IIP data showed growth in capital goods output a gauge for fixed corporate investment remained tepid at 0.3% despite a favourable base of -8.5% a year before. The sector has witnessed contraction in 14 of the 20 months through November. Even the modest uptick in the second quarter in gross fixed capital formation, which rose 2.6% in the second quarter from a year earlier and gained 5% compared with the June quarter, seemed coming largely from pipeline investments and not fresh ones.
The manufacturing sector contracted by 3.5% in November, compared with -0.8% a year before. Mining inched up by 1% in November, thanks to a favourable base of -5.5% a year earlier, while the electricity segment grew 6.3%, against 2.4% during the same month last year.
Mining has remained in the negative zone for the most part since the 2011-12 fiscal, thanks to ban on illegal mines and uncertainties about coal block allocation following the Supreme Court verdict.
CII director-general Chandrajit Banerjee said the government has to ensure that projects getting cleared by the CCI are implemented on the ground. At the same time, steps such as encouraging competition in the mining sector and taking steps to start all legal mining in the ban-affected states, speedy implementation of DMIC, fast-tracking NMP, among others would bring industry back to the path of growth. CII maintains that government policies should be complemented by the shift towards an accommodative policy announcement by the RBI in its forthcoming monetary policy to revive investment and propel demand, especially in consumer durables which are deep in the red, Banerjee said.
Ficci president Sidharth Birla said: Manufacturing growth is significantly affected by low growth in mining since sectors like metals that depend on minerals and have substantive weight in the index have pulled down the growth. Capital goods remain a cause for concern as growth of this sector was a meagre 0.3% over a negative base of 8.5% in November 2012.


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Ross Clayton Lehmberg, 25, of Mason and College Station, died Saturday, May 3, 2014, at Lake Conroe.
Funeral services were held today, Wednesday, May 7, at 10 a.m., at St. Paul Lutheran Church in Mason, with interment following at Gooch Cemetery.
Memorials may be made to St. Paul Lutheran Church or to the charity of choice.
Arrangements were under the direction of Mason Funeral Home.
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Drew Goddard Actually Wrote The New Ending For Brad Pitt's World War Z
By Sean O'Connell 2012-07-11 18:06:27 comments
Drew Goddard had a monster-sized hit earlier this year with The Cabin in the Woods, a film adored by the horror-geek culture that made a comfortable $63.9 million worldwide. Fans expecting him to strike out with something wildly original for his next project might have to settle for this, instead.
Deadline reports that Goddard, and not his Lost colleague Damon Lindelof, is the one who took the latest pass at penning a new ending for Marc Forsters World War Z, which stars Brad Pitt as the survivor of a zombie apocalypse. The site claims Lindelof cracked a potential new ending of the film, which had to commit to expensive reshoots to repair what apparently wasnt working. But with Lindelof wrapped up in other projects, Goddard stepped in to actually pen the script rewrite.
That doesnt mean its ready to shoot, however. Deadline adds that Christopher McQuarrie might be brought in to punch up Goddards pages. The studio reportedly is high on The Usual Suspects writer and the work that he did on Jack Reacher with Tom Cruise. But Cruise could want McQuarrie to touch up Doug Limans All You Need is Kill, which he plans to shoot once he wraps the sci-fi thriller Oblivion.
All of this sounds bad for World War Z, though if were being honest, a reshot ending isnt the end of the world if it makes the finished film better. And bringing in idea guys like Lindelof and Goddard is a fantastic plan, so long as you give them the time to figure out how to properly conclude a meaty story. Deadline says Forster will be shooting the new scenes for World War Z, which moved its release date back to June 21, 2013.
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JAZZ RHYTHM programs on various topics.Enjoy!
Food SongsA feast celebrating the gustatory joys of food with songs good enough to eat by Slim Gaillard, Fats Waller, Louis Jordan, Bob Wills Marty Grosz, the Boswell Sisters, Diana Krall, Tommy Dorsey's Clambake Seven, and more.FOOD SONGS 1A.mp3FOOD SONGS 1B.mp3FOOD SONGS 2A.mp3FOOD SONGS 2B.mp3FOOD SONGS 4B.mp3FOOD SONGS 4A.mp3FOOD SONGS 5A.mp3FOOD SONGS 5B.mp3
Train TracksRailroad songs in Jazz, Blues and Swing by Jay McShan, Louis Jordan, Leadbelly, Duke Ellington, Louis Armstrong & a very rare Dave Brubeck 78 rpm disc
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Vocal Harmony GroupsFeaturing the Boswell Sisters, Andrews Sisters, Spirits of Rhythm, The Mills Brothers, Andrews Sisters & the Delta Rhythm Boys.
VOCAL HARMONY 1A.mp3VOCAL HARMONY 1B.mp3VOCAL HARMONY 2A.mp3 VOCAL HARMONY 2B.mp3The Boswell Sisters
Cats & theFiddle(bass fiddle that is)
Pioneers of Vocal HarmonyPioneering vocal harmony groups featuring Cats and the Fiddle, Boswell Sisters, The Mills Brothers, Golden Gate Quartet, Tonic Vintage Vocals and Manhattan Transfer.
The Mills Brothers
PIONEERS OF VOCAL HARMONY 1A.mp3PIONEERS OF VOCAL HARMONY 1B.mp3PIONEERS OF VOCAL HARMONY 2A.mp3PIONEERS OF VOCAL HARMONY 2B.mp3Delta Rhythm Boys(right)
Jazz in AUSTRALIATwo programs featuring an interview with Australian traditional jazz trumpet player, Eric Holroyd. Includes rare live and 78rpm recordings.AUSTRALIAN JAZZ 1A.mp3AUSTRALIAN JAZZ 1B.mp3AUSTRALIAN JAZZ 2A.mp3AUSTRALIAN JAZZ 2B.mp3
CARTOON JAZZMusic from cartoons by Betty Boop, Cab Calloway, Raymond Scott, Jeff Sanford's Cartoon Jazz Band, The Beau Hunks & Don Byron.CARTOON JAZZ 1A.mp3CARTOON JAZZ 1B.mp3CARTOON JAZZ 2A.mp3CARTOON JAZZ 2B.mp3
DUTCH SWING COLLEGEEurope's most famous Dixieland band recalled by Chris Vonk who studied with its founder, Peter Schilperoort.DUTCH SWING COLLEGE_1A.mp3DUTCH SWING COLLEGE_1B.mp3DUTCH SWING COLLEGE_2A.mp3DUTCH SWING COLLEGE_2B.mp3
UKELELE MADNESS!Jazz, Hokum and Blues old and new on ukulele by Cheap Suit Serenaders, Steven Strauss, Spirits of Rhythm, various ukelele ladies, and featuring Ukulele Ike who was the best selling uke artist of all time.UKULELE MADNESS 1A.mp3UKULELE MADNESS 1B.mp3
New Years Eve with LORD BUCKLEYSpoken-jazz performer Lord Buckley was one of the most outrageous monologists, raconteurs, and personalities of the 20th Century. Besides other word-jazz you'll hear a never previously broadcast performance of his Royal Highness. New Years with Lord Buckley 1A.mp3New Years with Lord Buckley 1B.mp3
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I recently visited the Kemble Air Day 2006 which was on the 18th of June! The show was located at Gloucestershire's Kemble Airfield which is located in South-West England
Kemble is an ex-RAF base but is now home to many classic jets, general aviation and civil aicraft mainly heading for scrapping!
Kemble has 3 runways, two asphalt and one grass runway!
Kemble use to be home to the Red Arrows when the airport was an RAF base
Here is a map of the airfield located below:
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The Air Day
We arrived at the busy show around 10:30. The displays began at 11 and ran to 12 before having a one-hour break and returning at 13:00 and finishing at 17:30!
More information will be posted in a future report on the whole show which will include many pics!
The VC-10 at the RAF
The VC-10's belong to the RAF and are transport tankers. The VC10's belong to the 101 Squadron of the RAF. Squadron 101 is the only squadron to operate the VC10's since 10 Squadron was disbanded in 2005! The VC10's of Sq 101 are based at RAF Brize Norton in Oxfordshire, Southern England! The first VC10 was put into service in 1984 after several were brought second hand and converted into tankers! The VC10's will be around for a few years more, they are expected to go around 2011 when they get replaced, many say by the A330!
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The aircraft at Kemble today was ZA147. ZA147 is a VC-10 K3. The K3 model was converted from Type 1154 to become a VC-10 K.Mk 3 aircraft, The aircraft was then converted to feature 3 refueling probes.
The aircraft is ex East Africn Airways (5H-MMT), it then was purchased by the RAF:
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Landry, Elaine (2009) Reconstructing Hilbert to Construct Category Theoretic Structuralism. In: [2009] EPSA09: 2nd Conference of the European Philosophy of Science Association (Amsterdam, 21-24 October, 2009) > EPSA 2009 Contributed Papers.
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This paper considers the nature and role of axioms from the point of view of the current debates about the status of category theory and, in particular, in relation to the "algebraic" approach to mathematical structuralism. My aim is to show that category theory has as much to say about an algebraic consideration of meta-mathematical analyses of logical structure as it does about mathematical analyses of mathematical structure, without either requiring an assertory mathematical or meta-mathematical background theory as a "foundation", or turning meta-mathematical analyses of logical concepts into "philosophical" ones. Thus, we can use category theory to frame an interpretation of mathematics according to which we can be algebraic structuralists all the way down.
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Digging: Tiny Moving Parts - Celebrate
Album Rating: 4.0pos
Are you doing her whole discography, Ire?
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Album Rating: 4.0thanks everyone
okay thread about how kate is hot
Album Rating: 4.0her tits and face and being r nice
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HITTING THE VASELINE (taps butt repeatedly)
My edits seem to be going through at the moment
Album Rating: 4.0i can't even get to the edit page on chrome or firefox
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The CBI deciding to drop its cases against then Sebi chief CB Bhave, then member KM Abraham, former coal secretary PC Parakh and Aditya Birla Group chairman KM Birla is not just a matter of vindication for these gentlemen, it is a matter of utter shame. Not just does the CBI have egg all over its face, the questions for the government of the day are, one, how it plans to protect civil servants while doing their job and, two, how are corporates expected to remain honest. Despite the seizure of unexplained amounts of cash from the Birla office and a diary whose contents allegedly suggest political payoffs were madethe company will have to deal with both allegations separatelythis newspaper has consistently asked how the Birlas, or any other corporate for that matter, were supposed to get coal mines if there was no transparent policy for allocation; the same principle applies to other minerals, even telecom spectrum and aviation bilaterals.
Which is really the point made by then finance minister
P Chidambaram last November when he said that there has to be a distinction between policing and policy-making; indeed, Chidambaram even spoke of mens reathat is, just because a policy helps a certain group, in this case, Birlait doesnt mean the bureaucrat had a criminal bent of mind. The argument was taken further by Attorney General Mukul Rohtagi in July when, while recommending the government approach the Supreme Court to reconsider its ruling that government permission was not required for the CBI to prosecute senior bureaucrats, he said it is a matter of inference of corrupt motive for the decision, with nothing to prove directly any illegal gain to the decision-maker.
While that means the government has to look at transparent allocation policies, it has to be kept in mind it is difficult to keep the private sector from trying to influence the government if there are shortages in the economy. If the government does not free up gas prices, or allow merchant coal mining, and there is a shortage, two things will happen. Either prices will shoot through the roof, or private players will try to influence government, and legitimately soa fertiliser unit running on gas is within its rights to petition government when, due to a shortage of gas, it changes the order and decides city gas units will get first charge over cheaper gas. Similarly, you cant have a


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Video makes it. I heard it on the show and thought "make it stop", but now that I see the video, love it!
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CORNELIUS – The Town of Cornelius is accepting applications for a Cornelius Historic Preservation Commission member.
The HPC acts as an advisory board assisting the planning director and town board with preserving the historical, cultural and architectural heritage of Cornelius for future generations.
The Cornelius Town Board of Commissioners will appoint someone to fill a vacant position with a term expiring in February, 2014.
Appointees may be eligible for re-appointment to three-year terms.
Meetings are open to the public and occur on the fourth Thursday of each month at 5:30 p.m. at Town Hall, 21445 Catawba Ave., Cornelius.
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Rover 25 Advantage
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I replaced my aging 1995 Rover 214SEi in November with a new Rover 25 Advantage model. This is basically the standard 1.4i model with metallic paint, alloy wheels and 3 years or 45,000 miles servicing thrown in.
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its a rover 45 and thats about it really
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...a Nissan 200SX however, my dad has a Rover 45 1.4 and as his car is for general use (being as he is a 'dad'), I consider myself to have as much intimate knowledge of this car as my own (coz mine also tends to go into the garage or ...
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Relaible and cheap to buy, but expensive to fix!
Advantages: A lot of space for the money and a nice looking respectable car.Disadvantages: Parts are now hard to find, I will sell my car soon as a result.
Good car! I've had no problems yet, but future is bleak!
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So very British
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Rover continue to produce cars made in the UK and like the Almera I reveiwed recently this is another example of a family car being extensively revised. The revisions here extend to a new name (45 nee 400) and a number of stlying and mechanical revisions ...
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After being the first musical to hit our stage in 1989, it seemed only appropriate to celebrate SJCT's 25th Anniversary season with the ever-loving Annie!
Director Susan Williams has cast more than 30 islanders in this play based on the comic strip character, Little Orphan Annie (played by 9-year-old ElseDora Arendt). Her story unfolds in 1933 New York City during the Great Depression where the young optimistic orphan lives in a dreary orphanage in the tenement section of N.Y.C. Then there's the despicable Miss Hannigan, sweet secretary Grace and millionaire Daddy Warbucks, orphans, and the beloved music, including Tomorrow, You're never Fully Dressed Without a Smile and It's a Hard Knock Life.
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Tulane recently received a $2.1 million grant from the National Institute of Health to study patterns of egg-laying preferences in two species of mosquitoes, both known carriers of Dengue Fever and West Nile viruses.
Dr. Dawn Wesson, an associate professor of tropical medicine at Tulane, and her colleagues will conduct these biological studies in New Orleans, where mosquito activity is prevalent. It is determined that female mosquitoes prefer to lay their eggs in water filled containers such as trash cans and rain gutters found throughout New Orleans, making the mosquito population quite large. Wesson's team intends to use the large numbers to their advantage, testing the popular breeding grounds for hormonal trends.
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Mix mashed potatoes, broccoli and cheddar cheese together in a bowl. Form the mixture into 8 patties.
In a small shallow bowl, beat the egg with the water. In another shallow bowl, mix the breadcrumbs with the Parmesan cheese. Dip each potato patty in the egg and then the breadcrumb mixture. When all the patties are coated with crumbs, set in refrigerator for 4 hours or overnight for the crumb coating to dry.
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Common Name: Vet-i-ver. The word vetiver comes from the Tamil word which means "hatcheted up" which describes the way in which the roots are collected.
Latin Name: Vetiveria Zizanoides
Family: Gramineae. This is a grass family. The plants provide nutrients to the soil. Other well known members of this grass family are Lemongrass, Citronella and Palmarosa.
Other Common Names: Vetivert, Khus Khus name used in India, Aroma of Tranquility name used in Sri Lanka
Herbal/Folk Tradition: The roots or rootlets have been used in Indian households for centuries. The fibers of the grass are woven into aromatic mats that are used to sleep on. The vetiver roots are used to repel insects and are layered among the clothes. The root is used to make blinds and window screens necessary to shield the intense hot sun. The blinds are sprinkled with water throughout the day creating moist cool sweet breezes.
Country of Origin: Vetiver is native to India, Indonesia and Sri Lanka.
Description of the Plant: Vetiver is a tall tough wiry perennial grass with a straight stem, long narrow leaves and a complex lacework of underground white rootlets. The rootlets are spongy and fibrous. Vetiver thrives in rich marshy soil in a warm damp climate.
Part Used: The essential oil is obtained from 2 year old roots
Extraction Method: The essential oil is obtained by steam distillation from the roots. It is a labor intensive process. The roots are harvested by hand using a stout long handled pry bar or a heavy steel pronged fork. The roots are then washed, dried, chopped and soaked.
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