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Click here to listen to Kenya Moore's full interview with the TJMS.
Have you been watching the new season of "The Real Housewives of Atlanta?" If you have, you'd already know that former Miss USA Kenya Moore, now an actress/model and film producer, is staking her claim as this season's drama queen. Arguing with Cynthia over a "Jet" magazine model search? Check. Hiring her own personal security guard? Check. Throwing a hissy fit over the fact that her boyfriend once asked out Kandi Burruss? Check. Paying just a little bit too much attention to the husband of another Housewife? Check. Watch Kenya in action at a "Jet" magazine model search event.
So just who IS this Kenya Moore? We caught up with Moore, behind the wheel on an L.A. freeway, and asked her for the truth behind some of the rumors. Read on for some facts about "The Real Housewives of Atlanta'"s new diva in town.
Was she booed as a pageant queen?
TRUE. Yes, Kenya says. In 1993, after winning the Miss USA crown she represented the country at the Miss Universe pageant in Mexico City. When Miss Mexico failed to make the top 10, the host country got a little upset. "They booed the late Dick Clark, [who hosted] they called in a bomb threat and the judges had to be escorted out and they booed me because the U.S. owned the Miss Universe pageant. I came in fourth and the top three finalists were all Spanish-speaking women. (Dayanara Torres, Miss Puerto Rico and the woman Mark Anthony divorced to marry Jennifer Lopez was the winner.) You had 85 girls from all over the world. We were all titleholders. It didn't matter if we won. It wasn't as competitive as Miss USA. It was one of the most incredible experiences of my life." Watch Kenya Moore crowned as Miss USA 1993.
Did Kenya go to the same high school as Diana Ross?
TRUE. Moore graduated from Detroit's famous Cass Technical High School which was once best known as the school that also graduated Diana Ross. Since then, a number of future celebrities have graduated from Cass Tech including rapper Big Sean, David Alan Grier, TV hostess Shaun Robinson, and two current NFL players – New York Jet Vernon Gholson and Oakland Raider Joseph Barksdale. The school is still considered among the top public schools in the Detroit area. "Cass Tech is not only a famous high school, it's a school for gifted children. You have to be tested to get into Cass and you have to maintain a certain GPA. I'm proud to have walked the same hallways of some of the famous graduates, but I'm also proud to have gone to a school that promoted education.
Are her hair, eyes and breasts fake?
FALSE. Moore does not wear a weave, colored contacts and hasn't had breast implants. "I don't wear a weave, a wig, clip-on hair extensions or whatever all that stuff is. I've actually been working on my own hair care line and that's something I'm going to introduce on the show. I think weaves and wigs are perfectly fine. My product line is basically to promote healthy hair. You can wear weaves or wigs if you want to, but you can wear your own hair as well. I'm very serlous about healthy hair. I do have my own hair. It is just hair. I don't live and die by my hair. I've worn weaves for a movie but in my every day life when you see me on the RHOA, it's all my hair. I don't have fine textured hair. I have very thick hair. I don't perm it. I don't' relax it. I'm wearing color in my hair right now but I don't put any chemicals in it other than color. I wash it, let it air dry and flat iron it in small sections and use roller sets. As for everything else, my fans who've known me for a long time know that I'm a natural girl.
Has she really been proposed to six times and if so, is it anyone who's name we would recognize?
TRUE. (Laughs) But no, I don't think so and that's my final answer.
Did she date Mike Tyson, Jay-Z, Jamal Anderson, Allen Iverson and Terrell Owens?
FALSE. No to all of the above. Mike Tyson: "I'd consider us friends. No story there. Jay-Z: "We did a video together(pre-Beyonce) and he's a great guy and he made me laugh. But he never asked me out." Jamal Anderson: "I've known him since forever and he's always had a woman the entire time. I never, ever dated him." Terrell Owens: "There was interest, but I caught him at a bad time and didn't want to be part of the drama." Allen Iverson: "I've met the man one time." But did she ever date an NBA player? That is true, but Moore was cagey about which one, although it's possible that he is the "Houston" boyfriend she and Miss Lawrence mention on "RHOA."
Is she still estranged from her mother, Patricia Moore?
TRUE. In 1993, after winning Miss USA, Moore told "People" magazine that she had little contact with her mother. I can honestly say I don't love her," Moore told the magazine. "I don't even know her." At the time, "People" reported that Kenya was not even named by her mother and was instead raised by her grandmothers. "That is true," Moore says. "It will come up on the show and I've written a book that will be out next year called "Invisible." One of the nice aspects of the show is that you do get into our personal lives. I was raised by my beautiful grandmothers. I owe my strength and my positivity to them. We are our parents, our family and our experiences and you'll see a little bit more about me and kind of understand how I got to where I got to today."
Is what we've seen in two episodes indicative of the person Kenya Moore really is?
FALSE. "I am a really sweet person and 20 years in the business you don't get anywhere being nasty. There's a lot left up to editing and that's something that I can't control. People don't change their colors overnight. That's one of the biggest fears I had in doing a realty show that you're not being portrayed the way you really are. I was disappointed when I watched the footage as well, although I think I was portrayed better in the second episode. You're only two episodes in and my journey is my journey with these girls and you have to watch. The show has 18 episodes and if you prematurely judge from what you see then you would be remiss. You need to see the entire season play out.
Will she be the one getting married on this season of RHOA?
MAYBE. "You know you gotta watch to find out. I'll say that someone is definitely going to get married."
Read the full transcription of Kenya Moore's interview with the TJMS below.
TOM JOYNER: Kenya Moore from the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Hey, Kenya.
KENYA MOORE: Hey, Tom!
TOM JOYNER: How you doing?
KENYA MOORE: I'm excellent, how are you?
TOM JOYNER: I'm good, I'm good. You are the star now of Real Housewives of Atlanta.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: That's right. Forget Nina, it's you now.
KENYA MOORE: Oh, wow. Thank you. Yeah, I'll take it.
TOM JOYNER: Now, I have to confess, I don't watch, but I do read the recaps in the Atlanta Journal Constitution. And …
KENYA MOORE: Okay.
Q: Yes, I do. I can't, I can't take it. So I just read about it.
KENYA MOORE: Don't be a hater Tom, you should watch the show. It's very interesting to see, and I promise you won't be disappointed.
TOM JOYNER: It is.
SYBIL WILKES : Interesting's a good word.
TOM JOYNER: Interesting is a good word.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: It's a good word.
SYBIL WILKES : An accurate description.
TOM JOYNER: Now, what I've been reading though it says that, uh …
J. ANTHONY BROWN: Beef.
TOM JOYNER: Kenya, you've been …
J. ANTHONY BROWN: You got beef.
SYBIL WILKES : You already started some things there, Kenya.
Kenya Moore: Started stirring up some stuff?
SYBIL WILKES : Yeah.
SYBIL WILKES : You and Cynthia, for sure already.
KENYA MOORE: Yeah, we got, we locked horns in the beginning. You know, we're both bosses, and she was a having a casting, and it just wasn't necessarily being run the way I would run a casting.
SYBIL WILKES : Mm-hmm?
KENYA MOORE: And, you know, we just had some differences there, so.
SYBIL WILKES : They were at Cynthia's business and they were casting for Jet Beauty of the Week. And there was just, it just started to be just a little, not a dust up, as it were, but you did call security on her people at her place.
KENYA MOORE: Well, he was very disrespectful to me and I just didn't know who he was and why he was talking to me. Because honestly if it's Cynthia's business and if there was an issue with anything that was going on, then Cynthia, as the business owner, should have had a conversation with me, not her employee.
TOM JOYNER: Do you like your image on Real Housewives of Atlanta?
KENYA MOORE: I think, you know, it's taken some time for me to adjust on the editing process. I think, you know, people that know me and have known me for the last 20 years in the business I've definitely been, you know, a classy woman. I've been articulate. I'm a lot of things. And the show seems to be moving my, you know, editing process, or my image in a certain direction.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: They're editing you wrong, huh?
SYBIL WILKES : Well, they're not showing you in that classy way already, Kenya.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: Uh-uh.
SYBIL WILKES : I must admit, I mean, I think from what we saw with Cynthia, and then what they have, they have foreshadowed, as far as your relationship with Phaedra and Apollo also indicates that you're not the classy woman that you are …
KENYA MOORE: Well, that's the key word that you just said, indicate. I think that that's what gets, you know, people in trouble. I think you need to watch the show because, you know, when you have a teaser out there, or what most people would consider commercial, you, they're designed to make you want to tune in. So some things are definitely taken out of context, and let me be the first to say I'm not interested in anybody's husband. Not Phaedra's, not anybody else's. So you can put that on the record.
SYBIL WILKES : And you just, you just said, what you are interested in is getting a husband of your own. How's that working out for you?
KENYA MOORE: Let the choir say, amen, yes I am.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: That's right, she was on the, she was on the Fantastic Voyage looking for a man.
KENYA MOORE: No, I've never been, you haven't invited me yet. What's up with my invitation?
J. ANTHONY BROWN: Oh, you haven't been?
J. ANTHONY BROWN: I thought you had.
KENYA MOORE: So how is it working out with the gentleman that we've seen you with thus far that you moved to Atlanta for?
J. ANTHONY BROWN: Talking about Me?
SYBIL WILKES : No, not you.
KENYA MOORE: Exclusively moved to Atlanta very late.
TOM JOYNER: She was Jay Anthony Brown's ex-wife on the Ricky Smiley show.
KENYA MOORE: I was. We had a ball shooting that show, hopefully you know, they'll have me back next year.
SYBIL WILKES : How was that for you?
KENYA MOORE: He was a really good actor. We definitely had some good chemistry. You know, I think what's the good thing about a reality show is that it does give the viewers a glimpse inside our personal life. It's not our entire life, it's a segment of it. You know, we only shoot three or four months at a time, so you get a glimpse of what we really go through. Me being a single woman over 40, no children, and I've never been married, I represent 42.4% of black women that have never been married. So I think that the viewers would need to, you know, watch the show to see how I deal with the challenges that arise in my relationship and, you know, getting to know someone, and trying to get to the altar. I mean that's always going to be my endgame right now.
SYBIL WILKES : How do you deal though, Kenya, with, as you've already mentioned, about the editing process and how they do manipulate your image?
KENYA MOORE: Well, I, what I understand from being in the media for the last 20 years is that you're going to take some blows. You know, people report things all day long. You know, there was a rumor that I had been married. There were pictures all over the internet stating that I had been married, and certainly that wasn't true. It was a picture that was from a still from a movie. And all of the sudden I'm married to somebody who is already married. So I think people have to be really careful on what they consume and know that, you know, you can pretty much in this day in age never believe anything that you hear and only half of what you see. And those are just sort of rules that I live by. Whenever I hear a rumor or I see something I don't necessarily take it too seriously. I take it with a grain of salt. And at the end of the day it's entertainment.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: Mm-hmm.
KENYA MOORE: But that's what this is above. I think that the show …
SYBIL WILKES : So the rumors about you and Jay Anthony Brown …
KENYA MOORE: … gave us an opportunity to really grow.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: I started those myself.
SYBIL WILKES : Oh, oh, oh.
SYBIL WILKES : The rumors that you were started about you and Jay Anthony Brown were started by Jay Anthony Brown.
TOM JOYNER: Was started by Jay Anthony Brown.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: I started those rumors.
KENYA MOORE: You behave yourself. Don't put our business out in the street.
SYBIL WILKES : Oh, that's where his business stays, darling.
TOM JOYNER: Alright, Kenya.
J. ANTHONY BROWN: Alright.
KENYA MOORE: It was really a lot of fun, but you know, I have been successful in my, you know, my acting. I'm producing. I have a movie out right now with Boris Kodjoe, and David Banner called The Confidant,
TOM JOYNER: Well, good for you, Kenya. Real Housewives of Atlanta, Kenya Moore.
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She's a mess. Totally threw me. Shameful what people will do for a buck. Guess she'll have her own show soon….
thanks for thread this great
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I don't watch that show, but isn't everybody rude? Pretty, well spoken and from the D. I wonder if she has a ghetto laid back side or if she is the high type whose booty never stinks??
Kenya's really beautiful but I can say that I've watched the show and her personality makes her ugly. They can edit but if she wasn't so rude to Cynthia's assistant, they wouldn't have anything to go on.
Kenya's really beautiful but I can say that I've watched the show and her personality makes her ugly. They can edit but if she wasn't so rude to Cynthia's assistant, they wouldn't have anything to go on.


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John Brisben Walker, 84, West Side Founder, Dies
Former Charlestonian Passes Away in Brooklyn After Colorful Career as Soldier, Manufacturer, Financier, Journalist
NEW YORK, July 7 - John Brisben Walker, 84, whose avid life led him over many trails, including soldiering in China, manufacturing in West Virginia and pioneering in the new west, died today at his Brooklyn home.
Walker was born in the Monongahela river valley in Pennsylvania. Educated at Georg[e]town college, Washington and West Point, he went to the Orient and for two years served in the Chinese army. In 1870 he again set foot upon American soil. He went in the iron manufacturing business in the Kanawha valley, West Virginia. Three years later, when he thought he had won a fortune of $500,000, the great panic left him penniless.
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He introduced alfalfa on a 1,600 acre farm near Denver as his initial venture in farming. For tracts in the Platte river valley, which he devised a mean of reclaiming, railroads paid him a reputed profit of $900,000 on a $100,000 investment.
He paid $360,000 for Cosmopolitan Magazine, then in need of new blood, and quickly jumped its circulation from 16, 000 to 151,000. He later sold it to William Randolph Hearst.
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Walker's third wife, Mrs. Iris Calderhead Walker, and nine children survive.
John Brisben Walker lived in Charleston more than half a century ago, having come here from China about 1870 and engaged in industrial enterprises for several years. He was the original real estate promoter of Charleston's West Side, where he lost a fortune, partly because the local citizens looked with amusement on what were considered rash dreams. The last of his property was swept away in the panic of 1873.
He bought 2,000 acres of land, which included nearly all the territory west of Elk river that is now part of Charleston. He laid out and named many of the West Side streets, including Columbia boulevard, Pennsylvania avenue, Ohio avenue, Maryland avenue, Delaware avenue, Charleston street, Fayette street, and Monongalia street.
It was Walker who caused to be printed a pamphlet entitled "the Capitol of West Virginia and the Great Kanawha Valley: Advantages, Resources, Prospect." The booklet was written by General Strother and printed in the office of the Charleston Journal in 1872. One copy is in the state department of archives and history.
He built a large mill for woodworking and engaged in other manufacturing enterprises.
In 1872 he received the unanimous nomination of the republican party for congress from the third district of West Virginia, but was defeated. The third district included Kanawha, Roane, Jackson, Nicholas, Braxton, Clay, Greenbrier and all counties in the southern part of the state.
When he became impoverished, it was with money borrowed from the late S. Spencer Moore, sr., that he was enabled to leave Charleston.
Murat Halstead then offered him a position to write up the mineral and manufacturing industries of the state, which he accepted and prepared an interesting series of articles for the Cincinnati Commercial. Soon afterwards he became managing editor of the Washington Daily Chronicle, which at that time was the leading daily newspaper at the national capital.
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On-the-Air: My First Radio Interview -- "Have You Heard of HIV Long-Term Nonprogressor?"
By Loreen Willenberg
February 7, 2011
Josh asks thoughtful questions throughout the hour-long interview and, with Bob Marley tunes as a backdrop (great choice, Josh!), we discuss a wide range of subjects that include basic information on how HIV works to dismantle the human immune system, how our immune systems fight infection, current therapies and novel approaches to therapies, therapeutic vaccine development, the recent revival of the 'cure' word, information on recent discoveries related to protective genetic markers and other control mechanisms within the HIV Controller and/or Long-Term Nonprogressor community, and the 'functional cure' we represent. At the end, I share the collective hope of my unique 'tribe' to contribute to the end of the AIDS epidemic. Originally entitled "Have You Heard of HIV Long-Term Nonprogressor?", this interview will be re-broadcast at noon on March 10, 2011, under the title "Have You Heard of HIV Controller?", in honor of the sixth annual National Women and Girls HIV/AIDS Awareness Day.
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I was brought up to do things myself. This is both a blessing and a curse.
First the good: I've saved a lot of money doing things for which I might otherwise have to pay. I've fixed a ton of plumbing around the house – from leaky faucets to poorly flushing toilets. I've built my own computer for less than $100 in parts. I've repaired power cords to save electronics that might otherwise have to be replaced. I even built a stud wall to insulate an uninsulated closet in my house.
These things are not difficult. They mostly require patience.
The trick, however, is to know when you're outmatched. When I first moved into my house, I tried to replace an old shower faucet on which the screw practically melted under the pressure of a Phillips head screwdriver. Before the whole thing turned into an uncontrollable leak, I called in the pros.
Every so often, though, I'm determined to take on tasks when I shouldn't.
A case in point: Last week, my car wouldn't start. The battery was getting pretty old, and the cold weather had rendered it useless. I needed a new one.
My wife, always practical, suggested I go to the Advanced Autoparts store on Easton Road in Glenside, where they offer to install things like batteries, windshield wipers and headlamps for you, while you wait, free of charge.
But to me, the idea of idly watching someone else swap out my car battery was absurd. I've done it myself more often than I could count. In fact, I had recently swapped out both headlamps on my wife's Mazda. (Changing those lamps was not an easy feat, by the way. It won't be long before you have to remove the engine block before you have room to replace minor things like headlamps).
So I drove my old 98 Forester to Advanced Autoparts to buy the battery. When the woman who sold me the battery asked if I would like it installed, I said I'd be happy to do it myself if she would lend me the tools. Typically, I would have brought it home, but if I could swap it out in the parking lot, I stood to save a $12 charge for the old battery. How hard could it be? I'd have the battery out and replaced in 10 minutes, tops.
I should have taken a good look at the old battery before I'd committed to replace it myself. The bracket that held the batter in place was affixed with hangers and bolts that were so rusted, they appeared to have been left underwater for years. They wouldn't budge. The marine terminal that held the positive cable to the battery post was so corroded, it wouldn't budge either. With a quick turn of the socket wrench, I snapped the terminal in two. Time to buy a new one.
If I hadn't been in the parking lot and if I hadn't said I would replace the battery myself, I probably would have given up and begged for help much sooner. But I couldn't do that. After an hour of work and a little help from one of the employees – who was keeping the good socket wrench to himself – I had removed the rusty bracket and replaced the snapped marine terminal and had the new shiny new battery installed and ready to go. But wait. In the hubbub of replacing the battery, a few false starts of my car's alarm system and running in and out of the shop to look for new tools, I had managed to lock my keys in the car. I had to walk home to get a spare set.
I learned a set of particularly valuable lessons. First, never assume that an autoparts store has the tools to get a job done. Second, always work on your car at home where if you lock your keys in the car, the spare set is just inside. And, finally, the most important: If someone offers you to do something for free, take them up on the offer. I could have sat back with a cup of hot coffee and offered helpful hints to whatever poor autoparts employee got the bum luck of replacing the rusty, corroded battery on my abandoned submarine of a Subaru.
Next time, even if it's as simple as a windshield wiper blade, I'll gladly let the shop do it.
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Lydia of The Perfect Pantry needs no introduction. A professional food writer, author, cooking instructor, and food blogger extraordinaire, Lydia's "The Perfect Pantry" is packed with very useful food-related articles, resources, and drool-worthy recipes.
Lydia has been a supporter of Rasa Malaysia since the very early days. Her comments are always warm, insightful, but most of all, she has a genuine appreciation for Malaysian cuisine. So, you could imagine how delightful and excited I was when Lydia agreed to pen a guest post for this humble blog, and that she would share her story about mee goreng.
Please welcome The Perfect Pantry to Rasa Malaysia as Lydia takes us on her travel in Malaysia many years ago, and narrated how she fell in love with mee goreng or spicy fried noodles. Enjoy!
Mee Goreng (Spicy Fried Noodles)
Guest Writer: Lydia Walshin of The Perfect Pantry
By the time we reached the tiny night market, a row of stalls under a tent on the road between Kuantan and Kuala Terengganu, I'd already tasted at least a dozen different versions of mee goreng, the Indian-inspired stir-fried noodle dish of my dreams.
We had arrived in Kuala Lumpur a week or so earlier, by train from Singapore. A city of nearly seven million people, KL embodied the juxtapositions that are Malaysia: old and new, Chinese and Indian, traditional and modern, in everything from architecture to industry to fashion and, yes, to food.
Our hotel in KL, chosen for its proximity to mass transit, sat atop the central bus station. Despite the chaos below, the hotel was clean and basic, and the budget-friendly room rate included a buffet breakfast.
I'm sure there was lots of fruit and cereal, but mostly what I remember was the huge bowl of mee goreng.
Noodles for breakfast; from the first bite, I was in heaven. The noodles were a perfect balance of salty, spicy and dry (not in a sauce), tossed with cabbage and potatoes and egg and other things I can't quite recall.
I began to see mee goreng everywhere–not in an hallucinogenic way, but for real, stir-fried to order at pushcarts all over the city. I watched, tasted, and tried to figure out how to make it, but each bowl was different, some more spicy, some without potatoes, some topped with chunks of tomato or shrimp or fried scallions, or not.
After a side trip to Melaka, we left KL and crossed to the east coast, where we began our trip north from Kuantan to Kota Bharu, meandering along the shore roads, stopping in small fishing villages, visiting markets and batik factories, taking a boat ride here, buying a sarong there, eating mee goreng at least once a day, and sometimes twice, never exactly the same.
And so we came upon the night market, on the beach on a tiny road just south of Kuala Terengganu.
From the five or six stalls, we selected the one that made mee goreng. Ted and Cousin Martin sat at a small table, relaxing and watching television, but I'd had enough. I had to learn how to make the noodles that had become my obsession.
At the rear of the stall, a small counter separated the sitting area from the "kitchen," which was a single-burner propane stove and a tiny fridge.
I walked to the back, and asked the stall owner if she spoke English. She did not, nor did I speak Bahasa Malaysia. So, smiling and gesturing, I tried to say, "May I please watch you cook the noodles?"
Next thing I knew, she grabbed my arm, and pulled me to the rear of the counter. She stuck a spatula into my hand, and with a smile on her face, began to point to ingredients. I realized that she wanted me to cook!
Okay, I thought, I can do this. And so we began, teacher and student. She would point to an ingredient, and then to the wok. Put this here, now stir, now add this, yes, add more and so on, until, in what seemed like a nanosecond, I had created my very first mee goreng.
I walked out from behind the counter, carrying dishes of fried noodles, to the total amazement of my husband and cousin. It was the best mee goreng anywhere in Malaysia. I'm absolutely sure of it.
Later that evening, I tried to write down what I'd learned in the night market kitchen, but I couldn't quite remember all of the ingredients. And when I got home and began to recreate the dish, I never could get it quite right.
Years later, I interviewed chef Alfred Chua, who had opened a small storefront restaurant in Boston's South End. When I learned he was from Malaysia, I asked him why my mee goreng never tasted the same as the noodles I'd had on my travels. He explained that a lot has to do with heat; our home stove burners simply do not get hot enough to dry out the noodles.
Undeterred, I asked him to teach me how to make his family's version of mee goreng. I've played with his basic recipe a bit, and this is as close as I've come to the noodles I made in the night market kitchen.
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The anime industry is at an all-time high and the manga side of things is finally catching up. Seemingly out of nowhere sprang three new projects that could very well prove how much the print side can support. Newtype has jumped into the North American anime magazine fray and newcomer GUTSOON! Entertainment has done the impossible by making a weekly manga anthology a reality. But, at the same time VIZ has just unveiled the full line-up of monthly English version the legendary Shonen Jump magazine. Join us now as we take a look at what makes each of these new periodicals special.
Last month's editorial by our resident content editor, Holly, told the story of a fangirl's churning excitement over her very first con. When the time came for her to go to Anime Expo, we thought it would be really funny… er… we mean, interesting to make her take along a notebook and keep a journal of her fantastic voyage.
They said lets meet at Anime Expo, it'll be fun they say. "Road trip," was yelled. I figured, "what the hay," my car is reliable; my driving endurance is above average. Let's attend one of the biggest west coast anime conventions. It's not like any other con you've been to. They were right...
In the summer convention season dominated by such large conventions such as Otakon and Anime Expo, what do small, genre-specific conventions offer? How about games like the Whack-a-Thon or Bobbing for Bishonen? Overnight marathons of yaoi? A dealer's room specializing in shoujo-related merchandise? More Sailor Moon cosplayers than you could shake a Moon Rod at? Animefringe takes an in-depth look at this year's Shoujocon.
The shoujo series that most fans swore would never be brought over has hit the States. Let's see, this manga has an overactive child actress, a manager who she refers to as her pimp, an eccentric mother who has a squirrel living in her head, pitted against arch-nemesis brat of the classroom. The lives of sixth graders, I can easily assure, has never been so interesting, or bizarre.
Imagine you meet this really cute girl only to learn she is a real firecracker of a woman that could take you down a notch or two. But, then get this... What if that girl actually used to be a guy? Freaky thought, but one that isn't uncommon to anime. What is fairly uncommon is the gimmick being the means to bringing characters closer together. Tenshi na Konamaiki is just such a show. Megumi Amatsuka was born a boy, but after saving a magician he received a book that granted him one wish. He wanted to become the manliest man in the world and instead became the manliest woman in the world!
We risked our very lives and sanity to bring you an in-depth look at Puni Puni Poemi, the successor to Excel Saga. This OVA is crazier, more nonsensical, and has an higher concentration of pure weirdness per square second than anything else ever created. You cannot handle this series. Do not believe you can handle this series. Don't say I didn't warn you.
In present-day America, with its overly-politically correct lobby groups and conservative advocates, anime finds itself in a rather sticky situation. Can our beloved Japanese export weather the storm, or will it fall by the wayside?
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Friday, February 25, 2011
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Fort Wayne, Indiana: Scientists here have isolated a new fundamental memetic particle with a remarkable set of properties. Called the loftrino, after atheist writer John Loftus, the particle has a large negative probative mass, (it can prove some 46 times the opposite of whatever it claims), seems to always be in motion, was produced in an imaginary epoch called the Enlightenment, and can never be destroyed by outside action, no matter how long or fiercely you bombard it with facts. The loftrino has been observed traveling through two thousand years of Christian history, without being swayed by the gravitational pull of facts, the informed opinion of historians, or even the evident sequence of events.
The particle was isolated last week when, in a demonstration, John Loftus posted a graph of the purported baneful influence of Christianity on science. This graph shows seven distinct eras in the history of science: (1) Egyptian, (2) Greek, (3) Roman, (4) "Christian Dark Ages," (5) Renaissance, (6) Age of "Enlightenment," and (7) Modern Science. The graph shows scientific knowledge and understanding increasing in each of these eras, except for the "Christian Dark Ages," when it drops off like a rock about 420 AD, then flatlines until 1300 AD. After the "Enlightenment," it picks up at an accelerated rate.
If that isn't clear enough, in large black letters the words "The Hole Left by the Christian Dark Ages" fill an empty space in the graph, like a dragon on the edge of an old map.
The graph did not originate with Loftus. It appears to have been produced by an anti-Christian blogger named Jim Walker, at nobeliefs.com. (If someone knows of an earlier use of this graphic, please let me know!) Here's a sample of the history prose on offer in Walker's accompanying essay:
"The Christian Dark Ages represents a time in the history of Europe where scientific advancement not only halted but went backwards. The hole left by the Dark Ages bears the imprint of scientific ignorance that lasted longer than the Roman Empire. Imagine where scientific advancement would stand today if not for the scars left by Christianity.
"During the Renaissance, and especially the Age of Enlightenment, people began to wake up. Many freethinkers and scientists rejected orthodox religion and replaced it with unitarianism, deism, or non-theistic philosophy. During the 1800s and after, scientists no longer had to fear religious persecution in any form. As never before in the history of mankind, scientists began to reject theocracy entirely. And what happened as a result of the freedom from religious influence? Science literally exploded with new ideas and discoveries!"
Scientists are allowed an element of whimsy in named elementary particles (quark, charm quark, gluon). Also, perhaps because of all the scientific explosions going on there, the meme was not originally isolated on Walker's blog. (Though it was devastatingly debunked, to the extent that a loftrino can be debunked, by Mike Flynn here. Flynn appears to operate with the unfair advantage of having studied history.) But rather than calling it the "Walker," the new particle was named after the site at which it was first isolated and described, John Loftus' Debunking Christianity site.
The peculiar character of the loftrino has to do with its imperviousness to contrary evidence. Carl Sagan has also made similiar claims about how Christianity ruined ancient science. But Sagan was an astronomer, and no one expects him to know much about the history of Christianity. Loftus, by contrast, used to be an evangelist, and certainly knows a lot of facts about Christianity.
Furthermore, Loftus edited a book just last year that gives the lie to some of the claims on which this view of history are based, in a chapter written by Walker's favorite historian, Richard Carrier. If one can edit a book that debunks one's pet theory, yet still hold fast to that theory, loftrinos are likely to be on the loose.
Let's look more closely at the development of science during the historical periods covered by this graph:
# 2 + #3 Was Greek science on the steady upswing until about the time of Christ, as the Walker / Loftus graph shows? Did Roman science continue to progress for the next 400 years?
Here's Richard Carrier, in The Christian Delusion:
"Pagans did set the stage for the end of ancient science -- just not for any of the reasons Christians now claim. By failing to develop a stable and effective constitutional government, the Roman Empire was doomed to collapse under the weight of constant civil war and disastrous economic policy; and in the third century BCE that's exactly what it did. Pagan society responded to this collapse by retreating from the scientific values of its past and fleeing to increasingly mystical and fantastical ways of viewing the world and its wonders." (my emphasis)
Indeed, none of the 16 leading ancient scientists Carrier named on pages 401-2 worked within a century of the legalization of Christianity. (One list of the 100 most important scientists names seven before about 200 BC, but only Galen after that date.)
So according to Loftus' own book, not to mention historical reality, the second and third periods of the graph should show a declining, not a rising, slope.
In addition, Carrier credits theism in part for the rise of ancient science:
"Most intellectual polytheists believed in a Creator who had intelligently ordered the cosmos, that this order could be discovered by the human mind, and that such discovery honored God. Scientists like Galen and Ptolemy were thus motivated to pursue scientific inquiry by their religious piety, exactly as (Rodney) Stark claims Christians were, and for exactly the same reasons." (407)
Carrier describes Christianity as one of the "mystical and fantastic" worldviews into which Roman society fled while (supposedly) abandoning science. Yet he also admits that one key element in Christianity, faith in a good and rational Creator God, was in fact intimately associated with the rise of science BOTH in ancient Greece AND in modern Europe. The loftrino passes through these facts, not swerving one micron to right or left.
#4 What about the "Christian Dark Ages?" Historians recognize that science was not, in fact, abandoned by ancient Christians. In the 6th Century, for example, John Philoponus (who does not appear on Carrier's list) applied the idea of impetus to the planets, "the first attempt at a unified theory of dynamics." Listen to my interview of Oxford historian of science Dr. Alan Chapman for a more judicious and genteel view of this relationship.
Why did Christians fail to revive the full-scale era of scientific inquiry that occurred in Greece some 800 years before Christianity was legalized, but that had badly faded in the interum? Put that way, the question seems rather weak, like asking why matches don't spontaneously combust after they've been dropped in a creek and then covered in a mudslide.
Even so, for anyone with some acquaintance with history, or should I say some vulnerability to it, ought to know the answer: invasions. "Christendom" was on the defensive from 400 AD for most of the next millennia. Goths, Visigoths, Huns, Arabs, Vikings, Moors, Turks, wave after wave came crashing against European civilization. Whenever the tide slowed for a few years, civilizations popped up like crocuses in the spring. These civilizations and new institutions -- Irish monasteries, universities, Charlemagne, Alfred the Great -- had four things in common: Christian origins, unbounded curiosity, a fundamental sense of human equality that allowed social mobility, and a creativity that met and far surpassed even that of those few ancient Greeks who dabbled in science.
(5) The Renaissance. Walker shows science beginning a steep climb again from 1300. He actually credits the rise of science to a backlash against priestcraft failed to stem the tide of bubonic plague, or "Black Death." Actually the science of the Middle Ages was developed in the 13th and early 14th Century by people like Roger Grosseteste, Roger Bacon, Pierre de Maricourt, William of Occam, and Jean Buridan, mostly friars and priests. (Bacon was especially concerned for missions.) This was all DECADES before the bubonic plague even arrived in Crimea, in 1346! Those little rats, and the fleas that rode them, would have had to travel backwards in time to help inspire Medieval science! Perhaps that science was more advanced than we thought!
(6) The Enlightenment. Like many skeptics, Walker (and Loftus through him) credits the Enlightenment for increasing the pace of scientific discovery. He therefore sets the next slope increase at 1700 -- AFTER Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Boyle, Hooke, Newton, the Royal Academy, and all the great bible-thumper scientists who founded most of the modern scientific disciplines.
The Enlightenment was a movement in mostly bad philosophy and bad history. It's leaders, like Hobbes and Voltaire, were often also bad at science. Many skeptics fervently wish Enlightenment figures had inspired the birth of science; but until we find their time machines, we will have to reject that theory, too.
Other ancient civilizations developed the beginnings of what might be called science: Sumer, India, China, even MesoAmerica. Why did those civilizations get no further? Was Christianity somehow to blame for their failure, too?
But the thesis, "The Christian Dark Ages killed science" will, like most "New Atheist" claims, travel to the edge of the known universe, without being moved one micron up or down, left or right, by any of these facts, or those Flynn mentions.
Other skeptics may dispute credit with Loftus for discovery of the loftrino. Richard Dawkins, for example, has ardently held to the belief that Christian theology recommends "blind faith" from 1976 to the present, a long career even for a loftrino. (They cannot be influenced by outside realities, but their half-life is one lunar year, after which they degrade into back issues of the Huffington Post.)
If another claimant is produced, though, and is able to make a strong historical claim, and come up with a pithy alternative name for the loftrino, speak now, or forever hold your whirled peas!
24 comments:
- Nick said...
Keep in mind also that most people did not have the leisure time we have today and Christians were making advancements in agriculture and medicine that were more beneficial to them than, say, finding out how many moons Jupiter has. Nothing wrong with that, but if you ask me if I want a cure for the common cold or to know the mass of Pluto, I'll take the cure any day. These advances were going on, but so were the founding of several universities and such for higher learning, including the study of pagan knowledge.
Loftus is immune to it however and just uncritically accepts it because it attacks Christianity.
- February 28, 2011 at 7:19 PM
- David B Marshall said...
Nick: True enough. Rodney Stark is quite brusque on this subject -- you might enjoy my interview of him on the christthetao.com web site.
I felt a little guilty about pinning this on John, since I'm not sure he's sincere with a lot of his posts -- he's just trying to stir up discussion. Seems like kind of a strange gig to me -- type out three skeptical thoughts before dinner every day, throw up whatever you can find -- he must run out of ideas after a while.
- February 28, 2011 at 9:35 PM
- Bjørn Are said...
David: Great post on an important topic, though a bit hard to read.
I think you should change background color or letterings - or you are perhaps trying to hide from John? ;-)
- February 28, 2011 at 11:46 PM
- Bjørn Are said...
Another note...
"the Roman Empire was doomed to collapse under the weight of constant civil war and disastrous economic policy; and in the third century BCE that's exactly what it did."
I think you mean CE, not BCE?
- March 1, 2011 at 2:46 AM
- David B Marshall said...
Bjorn: I'm quoting Carrier correctly, from page 413. Probably he's thinking of the collapse of the Republic in the 1st Century BC, which perhaps he sees as the fulfillment of trends started earlier. It does seem a bit early, but it's true he can't point to much science after that date.
I looked at your web site. Is that Norwegian? Cool.
- March 1, 2011 at 5:29 AM
John Philoponus was a minor voice, David. And yes, there are other factors involved.
For your readers I responded here.
BTW: Here's a blurb to be seen at the bottom on the official Christian Delusion website:
From Dr. Kenneth J. Howell, author of "God's Two Books: Copernican Cosmology and Biblical Interpretation in Early Modern Science":
"I liked Richard Carrier's chapter on science. I see within it hope for an advancement of knowledge. When dealing with the ancients, Carrier is superb."
- March 1, 2011 at 9:45 AM
- Nick said...
It'd been nice to see some documentation. I hope the source of that information was not "Agora."
Also, what reading has been done on the Inquisition and the Crusades?
- March 1, 2011 at 9:52 AM
- David B Marshall said...
Several of the people Carrier included were "minor voices." But some of Philoponus' IDEAS were major, even if not widely picked up on.
As I acknowledge in my Amazon review, Carrier is fairly effective in arguing that, contra Stark, Greek science was pretty close to the real thing. The part of his argument in that chapter based on his own research is fairly good (though I've come across more experienced historians since then who disagree with his fundamental arguments). Some of it supports the general Christian position much better than he seems to recognize. But when he gets off into the tulies in marginal anti-Christian comments that go beyond his own research, his argument breaks down, as the review explains.
- March 1, 2011 at 11:06 AM
- Bjørn Are said...
David: I took the clue from the use of "The Roman Empire", as there was no empire at that time BCE;-)
And yes, my blog is in Norwegian - I have also published several books on similiar topics as yours (and recommended yours, of course).
My far too infrequent Enlish blog is at http://b-a-d-blog.blogspot.com/
- March 1, 2011 at 12:39 PM
- Crude said...
Hey man. Just popping in to say, good stuff. I also really enjoyed your earlier posts with thoughts about Christianity and eastern religions - I now and then get interested in what exactly is meant by 'The Tao' and how it may relate to theism generally, so this blog's becoming a more regular site for me.
- March 1, 2011 at 1:37 PM
- David B Marshall said...
Bjorn: Thanks! Are your books in Norwegian, too?
I envy Norwegians their (unanimous, it seems) fluency in English -- I wish I were that good at Chinese or Japanese. When I first went to Hong Kong in 1984, one of my roomates, a young Norwegian, gave me his (English) Bible, since I'd forgotten mine. I still have that Bible -- it played an interesting role in my life.
- March 1, 2011 at 2:40 PM
- David B Marshall said...
Crude: Good to hear it! A couple months ago I finished the first draft of the chapter in my dissertation evaluating Yuan Zhiming's argument that Lao Zi's Dao is a synonym for God. He's been widely criticized for that, but I think there's a lot to be said for his claim. Maybe I'll try to get something published on that subject.
- March 1, 2011 at 2:42 PM
- David B Marshall said...
Curiously, John's "response" to my blog actually responds to nothing in it. Zero. Nada. He doesn't show that science was actually making great progress after 200 BC. He doesn't disprove the claim that invasions were mainly responsible for ending Roman civilization. He doesn't show that bubonic plague really could have inspired Medieval science. He doesn't prove that the Enlightenment actually occurs early enough to credit it for the rise of modern science.
In fact, all he offers in response is a blurb by some Catholic historian for Richard Carrier, asking whether the Catholic historian or I is more trustworthy -- apparently not noticing that my argument above APPEALS to Richard Carrier.
And the loftrino moves on.
- March 1, 2011 at 2:57 PM
- Rob R said...
Good article DAvid.
here's an amateur speculation of mine. I was wondering if the so called dark ages though might also be characterized as the end of the real dark ages. How much civilizing of the northern and middle parts of Europe did Rome actually achieve? Seems to me that you have to figure that Europe was populated by the uncivilized and the dark ages was the transition period where these uncivilized peoples became more civilized (with much rough terrain in between), thanks to Christianity, amongst other things I'm sure.
Granted, "civilized" even here is a relative term considering that the early modern period and on brought on it's own barbarisms, cruelties and wars.
- March 1, 2011 at 6:01 PM
- Rob R said...
FYI, an excellent book that deals with a lot of this is "Atheist Delusions", though I think it should''ve been titled "modernist delusions".
- March 1, 2011 at 6:03 PM
- Bjørn Are said...
David: Yes, my books are in Norwegian only (the latest title is(translated) "When the Earth became flat - the myths that never die", see the cover at http://www.lutherforlag.no/BookDetails.aspx?bokid=537).
I have a rather long article in English on "Beyond the Protestant Work Ethic" at http://www.telenor.com/telektronikk/volumes/pdf/2.2004/Page_005-025.pdf though.
Do you remember the name of the Norwegian who gave you that Bible?
- March 2, 2011 at 1:24 AM
- David B Marshall said...
Rob: It's a good question. I know the French invented the wine barrel long before Gaul was conquered by the Roman Empire: whether that's a sign of civilization or not, I'll leave to the gourmands to decide.
Stark argues that even in the "Dark Ages," just after the Western Empire fell, life was better for the average person than under Roman domination. Living standards improved, food was more available, and practical technology began to improve. I don't know if he's right or not. But it does seem that Europe avoided some of the stupid blunders it would later fall into, during those years -- Jews appear to have lived with their Christian neighbors in peace, usually, and people were protected, not prosecuted, from accusations of witchcraft.
I think there was a genuine fall-off for several centuries, due to invasions, but that it was ultimately dialectically productive for European civilization -- like the seed that dies and is buried.
- March 2, 2011 at 8:00 AM
- David B Marshall said...
Bjorn: It looks like some of the themes of your blog include music, G. K. Chesterton, and the origin of modern science. Of the three, I'd say Chesterton is the topic that most interests me, though finding it hard to "get around." You might possibly find my "How the Brothers Grimm Overthrew the Evil Empire" article interesting, in Books & Culture. Chesterton plays a role.
I don't remember the name of my Norwegian friend in Hong Kong. I see the name Oyvind Akselsen on the inside cover, but that doesn't sound quite right -- maybe he used a nickname.
- March 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM
- Bjørn Are said...
Indeed, David, GKC is one of my great passions, has been so since I first read him more than thirty years ago.
An incredible guy with a credible faith.
I think I have as complete a collection as it is possible to get if you don't spend a fortune on rare manuscripts or are his biographer (like my friend Geir Hasnes).
Your Grimm essay was fun and furious philosophy, to paraphrase a fav author of mine;-)
- March 4, 2011 at 12:42 AM
- Nick said...
There's another post up at DC about the "dark ages."
Because Loftus just can't bear being wrong....
- March 5, 2011 at 10:48 AM
- David B Marshall said...
Nick: So true. Carrier is, of course, conflicted: he knows historically that Christianity did not end science in the ancient world, but he wants so much to be able to say that it did. That's why I cited him as my main witness: no one can accuse Richard Carrier of being biased in favor of Christianity!
But I hope some readers will listen to my interview of Dr. Chapman. Chapman is so much more mature, knowledgeable, wise, genial, and enjoyable to listen to. Chapman has also kindly agreed to contribute a chapter on the origins of modern science to my upcoming anthology, Faith Seeking Understanding.
- March 5, 2011 at 11:35 AM
Moron... * sigh* I do believe i've lost some brain cells after perusing your site.
- June 24, 2012 at 3:21 PM
- Savior said...
I don't know, nor do I care about Loftus. You are right that the graph is not 100% correct, but neither is your defence of the effect of Christianity on science. Here are some points, I TL;DR'd the second half of the post.
First, you bring the belief in a single Creator as a catalyst for the ancient Greeks' scientific prowess. This is simply false. The ancient Greeks did not believe in a good, rational Creator. It was Aristotle who came up with the idea -- and even then not a creator, but Mover, something that upkeeps the laws of the universe. You may be tempted to say lo! at this point, as Aristotle was also the founder of the so-called scientific thought, but I think it is completely accidental that it was him who came to this conclusion -- everybody at that time had their own theory about almost everything. :)
So belief in a Creator could not be the catalysator. Rather it was the _freedom_ and respect thinkers had in that era that allowed them to come up with all kinds of theories about physics and metaphysics, humanity and nature. This is definitely something that was missing in the middle ages, and mostly because of the Church. Without freedom there is no creativity. That some advancements were made in agriculture and military science was only because the Church did not care about the "lowly" disciplines of engineering. The other field where advances were made is religious thought, but that goes without saying.
Second, you argued that because Christianity was constantly under attack, Europe did not have the resources? inclination? to further science, much like the last centuries of the Roman Empire. While there is truth in this argument, it is strange that you just mentioned the Arabs in the same sentence as the other invaders. It is actually due to their work that the renessaince could actually happened. If you want to see a place where science thrived in Middle Ages Europe, look no further than pre-reconquista Spain, with its universities, where Christians, Muslims and Jews studied together.
Third, you try to argue in the post that Christianity did not have a negative effect on science. However, you name it as a principal factor that enabled the era of Charlemagne (and a few others) to produce scientific progress. (This is beside the point, but did they, actually?) This argument is flawed on two accounts. First, Christianity was the Zeitgeist of that age; of course everybody was Christian -- but you don't know to which extent, could be only in name, and therefore you cannot prove that they acted the way because they were Christians. Take the Irish monasteries, for example: they documented the myths and the history of the pagan Irish people, but it was the exception, not the norm: I am Hungarian and our own pagan belief system was all but lost when we converted. Second, if you want to prove the (I believe nonexistant) net positive effect of Christianity on science, you cannot just bring the few positive examples and imply that it is generally true; you have to have a look at the whole era. And that look will not nearly be as satisfactory -- hence the graph.
- January 2, 2014 at 7:21 AM
- Nick said...
Or you could, you know, speak to someone who's studied the subject thoroughly, like I did on my show.
Yes. Aristotle believed in a god, but that does not mean a creator. He believed the universe was eternal and cyclical and he had already entered the golden age. Why expect things to get better? There was not a scientific advancement after Aristotle. There was once the church came along.
As for the Arabs, there has not been much advancement in the Arab community due to an understanding of the Koran and that God is the efficient cause of everything. They did have their own golden age where they helped translate the works of Aristotle but alas, it ended.
Finally, if you want to show Christianity had a negative effect on science then, it will need to be shown. It hasn't been.
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