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[Theory] One Piece, REVEALED
This thread contains tons of spoilers. So if you are new to One Piece and haven't seen at least 500 episodes of it, get the f*** out.
Credits to Ashura_KingFisher of ArlongParkForums for this theory.
It's a long read, but totally worth it.
Let's summarize things first :
As we know, there was an age called "The Void Century" in OP's world timeline. Except Roger's pirate, not a single living soul on this planet have any idea what the really happened within that gap.
However an Oharan archelogoist, Profesor Clover, had a slight hint about it. He told us that in that time there was once stood a prosperous and powerful ancient kingdom that ruled over the ocean. However, They had a certain enemy. This enemy felt threaten by the kingdoms existence and their certain 'policy'. So then they invaded the kingdom and succeded. The kingdom was fallen to shred and somehow, the enemy managed to wipe out every single information about them from history.
Coincidentally, The end of the kingdom's reign also marked the end of The Void Century. At the same time, an organization called The World Government was built for the first time. Clover had a theory that the WG was none other than the enemy itself.
Now let's enter the theory :
There are 3 things that cannot be stopped :
Men's Dream
The Flow of Time
Inherited Will
As long as people continue to seek the true meaning of freedom, they will never ceased to be!
-- Gol D. Roger --
As these words first appeared in chapter 100, they seems pretty meaningless tome. I took them as nothing more than some random cool quotes.
However, as sthe story goes deeper, I realized (and some of you might have figured it out as well) that One Piece story has been consistenly following those 3 things : Man's Dream, The Flow of Time, Inherited Will.
Let's see :
1. Hiluluk's Sakura
Hiluluk had an impossible goal, and that was to create a panacea capable of curing all kind of diseases or ilness. however his experiments were keep failing and failing for 30 years. though eventually, Hiluluk's Sakura was bloomed, it is still not a miracle cure. Chopper who greatly respect to Dr. Hiluluk inherited these will by setting sail and joining Luffy.
2. Golden Bell of Shandorian
Two best friends parted away on the shores of Jaya. Their friendship didn't end here, they promised to meet again someday. Calgara kept ringing the golden bell so his friend wouldn't get lost in his way there. Unfortunately, the fate decided to send Island of Jaya 10.000 m above the sky. Calgara died in the war, while Norland was executed in his hometown. Their promise were totally buried.
400 years later, a boy named Luffy succesfully found and ring the long lost bell, thus fulfilling the forgotten promise.
3. All Blue
Zeff wanted to find the legendary all blue, but a year of sailing the grand line hasn't bear him any fruit. However he was still pretty assured that the ocean exists somewhere in this world, so he inherited his dream to Sanji, hoping that Sanji will achieve his dream someday in the future.
I only picked 3 examples, but there are actually more of them. So, anyone captured the big picture I'm getting at? or not? well, Here is what I meant :
1. in the past, there's someone who had a certain dream/desire/promise, but for a reason or two they didn't manage to complete it (Man's Dream)
2. the dream was delayed for many years (The Flow of Time)
3. Eventually, there will be someone in the future who will complete his/her dream (Inherited Will)
That's right, starting from the first chapter up till now, the storyline has ALWAYS been following this very pattern. I'm quite surprised myself, we've been through this pattern over and over again, though I'm sure fery few people are awared of it. I call it "the golden pattern" (because Gold Roger created it).
This made me think, wouldn't Roger has the pattern of his own as well? My curiosity was finally answered in chapter 576.
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So apperantly Roger had this will, a will that has been inherited for hundred years. And he waited for certain somoene to carry on this will… somehow it also has something to do with One Piece.
So what's is this all about? What was Roger's will exactly?
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The Golden Pattern (starting from here everything is 100% theory)
Roger's will that Whitebeard was talking about, it actually wasn't his original will. Roger inherited it as well from waaay back then, from 800 years ago to be precised. Yes, it was originally the will of The Ancient Kingdom (let's call it AK from now on).
The AK was a big kingdom, it ruled over almost the whole world (just like WG does now). They apparently also had a pretty-advanced civilization. One could say that there's almost nothing they couldn't achieve with everthing they got at the time.
However they had an issue. As we know, the planet of OP contains of big four seas, east, west, north, and south, each were separated by the Red Line and the Grand Line. The AK saw Red Line and Grand Line as a big obstacle because they have been been preventing people from traveling from one sea to another, thus preventing the AK from reaching its full prosperity as well.
And So they made this project, an insane one, but has to be done. The project was about eliminating the Red Line and Grand Line to fuse the 4 seas into one big ocean, the united ocean. The called it the project of "One Piece". In order to do so, they started to build some weapons which will be strong enough to destroy the red line (later called Ancient Weapons)
It turned out that not everybody was pleased by this project.. you know, politics. Some other kingdoms were totally against it, they smell a conspiracy was playing behind it. But the AK stood their ground no matter what. Guess what happened next? a huge war broke out. It's the AK vs 20 kingdoms who were against the prject of "One Piece".
The 20 kingdoms came out as the victor and they declared themselves as The World Government. Meanwhile the AK was reduced to shred, along with all their historiy, and the "One Piece" project was never heard again since then.
Unexpectedly, The AK has anticipated their downfall. Before the war begun they had carved historical notes on these certain metals which as hard as diamond(later called the poneglyphs) and hid them throughout the world, along with the weapons they've built. The AK really wanted to make sure that their desire wouldn't die in case of anything bad happened to them.
the WG was mad with this fact and completetely prohibit any form of poneglyph dechipering.
but it's too late, the will has been passing through ages since then… silently waiting for someone to recieve the massage.
800 years has passed, a pirate named Roger sucessfully reach Raftel and discovered the true history. He knows exactly what to do, but unfortunately his body didn't allow him to… he had this incurable disease, remember? whereas the project needs a lot of power and time to complete, 2 things that Roger didn't have that time.
Therefore, he decided to create The Golden Age of Piracy instead, hoping that there will appear someone who is strong and righteous enough to complete the massage in his place.
Who will be that 'someone'? I think we all know the answer. :D
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Now… how exactly does this project work? Will fusing 4 seas into a united ocean make Luffy's journey worthy?
Let me explain it… It's gonna be a bit technical so I'll include some ilustrations.
So here is roughly how the globe looks like.
And this is the flat(word?) version :
The idea of "One Piece" is to create a united ocean, a perfect ocean to sail. Therefore we have two jobs : fusing all the seas into one and eliminating Grand Line abnormality. GL's abnormality? Is that even possible?
Apparently it is possible for the AK scientists. The trick is destroy a spot where every sea on the planet (north, west, east, south, grand line, new world, and calm belt) meet in one place. There is a spot like that? Actually, there are two, and both need to be destroyed. The two spots are reverse mountain and mariejoa/fishman island.
a simple ilustration :
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Reverse Mountain
And here is the meeting spot, the circled area one :
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Think for a moment there… It made sense right? Mariejoa/fishman island also has a similar geography (minus the reverse canals).
The meeting spot are set. Next, the ancient weapons will do their job : annihilating those spots.
Ok let's do it to reverse mountain first… FIRE IN THE HOLE!!
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Even with the mighty power of the ancient weapons, the annihilation must be calculated and done correctly to get the wanted effect. If succeed, this what will happen next :
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Losing a huge mass of land, The sea became even more unstable than before, a big whirlpool will appeared on the center of destruction spot, storms and tidal wave occuring everywhere. However they're only temporary, after a couple days the raging storm shall be subsided.
And then, the magic began…
disastrous random-weather on grand line and NW suddenly doesn't occur anymore
the magnetic field which make a normal compass useless are completely gone
Even the wind starting to blow on Calm Belt
How about sea monsters? Well, this is the time where Poseidon come to play. The Poseidon has fully taken control of the sea king and make them some kind of 'police' of the ocean to prevent other sea monsters from going wild. (yes I do think this is very possible)
The ideal united ocean is finally created . The project of One Piece officialy succeeded!!
But is that it???
It's not. There's actually one more after-effect, and it's the most important one.
The big whirlpool that appeared after the destruction of reverse mountain, It happened because the water mass of the four seas simultaneously flowed into the center of destruction -- the place where reverse mountain was stood once. Logically, that means every kind of living things which originally lives in four seas were brought there as well. You literally could find every fish species from all over the world here.
Wait, was that sounds familiar? Exactly, the destruction spot has became that legendary mythical sea…
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The Legendary ALL BLUE
The United Ocean and the legendary All Blue
At least 6 of Strawhats's dream will be accomplished because of these achievementt.
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Luffy -> he wanted to be the pirate king, "the man who has the most freedom in the ocean". now that the ocean has been united, Luffy has literally achieved this feat.
Sanji -> it's obvious, he finally found the All Blue
Nami -> now that the entire ocean is free to sail, drawing world map is not so impossible anymore
Franky -> same reason with Nami, Sunny now can travel all over the world
Robin -> all of this happened because she found out the true history
Brook -> Ever wonder how Brook will return to the Twin Cape to meet Laboon? It seems impossible because the reverse mountain was in the way. But now, it's GONE! They'll meet again with ease, Bink's Sake will be played along their emotional reunion. It will be a perfect moment.
How do you think??
Now how about the spot at mariejo/fishman island ??
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This mermaid… she didn't lie at all. nor she's wrong. She was actually foreseeing the event we've been talking about : the project of One Piece. And It is indeed Luffy who will trigger the event.
The ancestor of FI were actually well awared of this upcoming event.
How so? Here's another theory : Joy Boy, he was actually the king of the AK.
Ok I know that sounds so random. There's a theory for that but let's save it for later…
Like a said, destroying both reverse mountain and fishman island is a must to complet the project. Therefore, King Joy Boy made a proposal of destroying FI to the former mermaid princess, Poseidon. She agreed but as an exchange she asked Joy Boy to move her people to a better place on the surface. Joy Boy gave a nod and started building Noah Arc afterwards.
Joy Boy managed to finish Noah but short after his kingdom lost a great battle against the 20 kingdoms. The promised cannot be fullfilled and he apoligized to Poseidon through poneglyph. However he still promised her "that day" would eventually come in the future, the day when fishmen and mermen live under the sun.
(You see that Oda used the another "golden pattern" again here)
Conclusion : "The promised day" and madam shirley's prediction, they are actually the same thing.
The scenario is pretty simple : at "the promised day" Luffy will trigger the attack on the destruction spot, but before that, Shirahoshi will command the seaking to move all of the FI's citizen to a safer place (by using Noah).
Once destroyed, the same magic which happened to reverse mountain spot will also be happened here. The All Blue will appear, replacing the destruction spot. mermen and fishmen will move here later and make a brand new civilization around the Sunny Tree of Eve (if Sunny Tree has the same reputation with Adam tree, it will completely survive the destruction. There are ilustrations for this but I lost it somewhere ).
Meanwhile, this also marked the end of WG's reign because Mariejoa --the prime symbol of WG-- was buried alongside FI in the process. Luffy finally won his war against the WG.
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If you look from above, both mariejoa and fishman island are located on the same place. Destruction are inevitable for both.
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A = Sunny Tree of Eve
B = the Red Line
C = underwater part of Red Line
D = Fishman Island
E = underwater cave
F = holy land Mariejoa
I actually had more ilustrations explaining the destruction in process, but I lost'em somewhere. -_-
well to make it simple, everthing in this pic will be completely destroyed, except the sunny tree.
Link to original thread.
Will you still love me when I'm no longer young and beautiful?
Holy shit
Will you still love me when I'm no longer young and beautiful?
yea i remember reading this, very plausible. but this theory is really old before the mermaid island arc. in the manga were you learn about the true ancient weapon. i agree with its basis, and the end result. i agree that one piece is not a treasure trove. i agree that the key to everything lies in the history of the old kingdom. also we know nothing of the opposite side of the world to reverse mountain.
on my way to my DREAMS- your smile - through food
I'm actually waiting for viva_cmpunker to come rip this to shreds.
kufirst wrote:
I'm actually waiting for viva_cmpunker to come rip this to shreds.
Can't wait to see what he has to say about this.
Did you lazy self even read it?
Will you still love me when I'm no longer young and beautiful?
Wow! Just about a week ago me and one of my friends were discussing if Fishman Island was really going to be destroyed. We pretty much said it would be. We actually said what if Luffy actually destroys the Red Line with it thus combining the seas which is going to be All Blue. However we thought that conclusion was too crazy and basically gave up on that.
Reading this theory, I'm pretty much convinced by it. This is amazing.
kufirst wrote:
I'm actually waiting for viva_cmpunker to come rip this to shreds.
viva_cmpunker wrote:
Wow! Just about a week ago me and one of my friends were discussing if Fishman Island was really going to be destroyed. We pretty much said it would be. We actually said what if Luffy actually destroys the Red Line with it thus combining the seas which is going to be All Blue. However we thought that conclusion was too crazy and basically gave up on that.
Reading this theory, I'm pretty much convinced by it. This is amazing.
Will you still love me when I'm no longer young and beautiful?
I have to say this. The Will of D. is now possibly more clear to me. Thinking about the characters that we know who have the Will of D. are the ones who carried Roger's will (the one he inherited from someone else). Some of them are there to help make this inherited will happen, but not necessarily accomplishing it themselves.
Portgas D. Rouge, made sure that Ace survived. The same with Jaguar D. Saul. Helping Robin escape thus making her I believe the only one alive to be able to read Poneglyphs, then revealing what happened during the Void Century to the world and of course finding Raftel's location.
Monkey D. Garp, took care of Ace (Roger's child) thus helping with the process of the will. Also he didn't fight back against Luffy at Marineford thus not stopping Luffy and I believe Garp will help in some other way to continue the will.
Portgas D. Ace, protected Luffy. Because of his death, he helped Luffy get stronger and to go pursue his dream thus again continuing the will.
Monkey D. Dragon, the leader of the Revolutionary army will have a big part in taking down the World Government. This quote by him that I can't forget "Someday, I promise you. They will all watch as I change the world."
Then we get to Marshall D. Teach who is said to have the Will of D. Remember when Whitebeard said to him that Teach himself is a fake. I think that's the indicator that Teach does not carry the Will of D. which is Roger's will.
Lastly we have Monkey D. Luffy. The man who will accomplish this will.
I read it, despite its many spelling errors. And everything does seem to make a lot of good sense to me. I was just wondering what the true OP aficionados (the man above) would say.
kufirst wrote:
I read it, despite its many spelling errors. And everything does seem to make a lot of good sense to me. I was just wondering what the true OP aficionados (the man above) would say.
It makes a lot of sense. Even though I'm pretty much convinced by it, there is still a big possibility that it won't happen like that. During the years I've been following OP I've learned my lesson when it comes to predicting stuff in OP. Oda loves to throw many curve balls
Cheesus Crust.
Mental toughness: sacrifice, self-denial, disciplined will.
I thought you needed a PhD in Manga Deciphering to even think of making One Piece theories, but this seems pretty legit.
Mr. Stealyogirl aka King Koopa. ;)
viva_cmpunker wrote:
kufirst wrote:
I read it, despite its many spelling errors. And everything does seem to make a lot of good sense to me. I was just wondering what the true OP aficionados (the man above) would say.
It makes a lot of sense. Even though I'm pretty much convinced by it, there is still a big possibility that it won't happen like that. During the years I've been following OP I've learned my lesson when it comes to predicting stuff in OP. Oda loves to throw many curve balls
Oh I agree. Oda is genius enough to write it so that one person alone can't figure it all out and that you should expect the unexpected.
Not gonna lie, I didn't read all of the theory due to the warning of spoilers. I stopped watching One Piece near the end of the Fishman island arc so I could build up like 50 episodes to watch of one piece whenever the new episodes I haven't watched hit that number. So I don't know if the spoilers refer to the current story arc of the anime or manga. I will say this though that after watching One Piece I felt like all the hype for it was deserved. The first few episodes were slow but once it hit the arc where Nami saved her hometown from Arlong I've been hooked ever since. It's just gotten better from there as well. This show seriously has so much more depth and story to it then I originally thought it would.
Btw just a little question: how far ahead of the anime is the manga? I know the anime is at the Punk Hazzard arc now I think?

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Attorneys for the two men charged with capital murder in the death of Lubbock pathologist Dr. Joseph Sonnier III in July are set to talk with prosecutors in January.
Plea negotiation conferences are scheduled for Thursday in the case against Amarillo physician Thomas Michael Dixon and Jan. 24 for businessman David Neal Shepard, according to orders entered in 140th District Judge Jim Bob Darnell's court.
Jack Stoffregen, a regional public defender for capital cases who is representing Shepard, said he expects prosecutors with the Lubbock County Criminal District Attorney's Office and his team of attorneys to discuss the possibility of prosecutors pursuing the death penalty as well as upcoming trial dates and when evidence could be presented.
Attorneys for Shepard and Dixon met with prosecutors Oct. 25 for the first plea negotiation meeting.
Stoffregen said he couldn't confirm any negotiations with the district attorney's office or police.
Dixon's attorney, Daniel W. Hurley, did not respond to Avalanche-Journal requests for comment Friday.
Dixon, the former boyfriend of Sonnier's girlfriend, is accused of paying Shepard three silver bars, each worth $3,000, to kill the physician.
Sonnier, the 57-year-old chief pathologist for Covenant Health System, was found shot and stabbed July 11 in his Lubbock house.
Dixon orchestrated the murder-for-hire plot after being dumped by a woman who became Sonnier's girlfriend, prosecutors said. Dixon continued pursuing her even after she'd begun her romance with Sonnier, the girlfriend told police.
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PINEVILLE, La.--The Birmingham-Southern softball team dropped both games of a doubleheader against Louisiana College, both by one run, Thursday evening at Coca-Cola Field in Pineville, La.
The Panthers lost game one 3-2, and lost in the nightcap 5-4. BSC falls to 13-9, while the Wildcats move to 13-4.
A two-run home run by sophomore Taylor Bassett put BSC on the board in the top of the first inning of the first game. The Panthers gave up a run in the bottom of the first, and held the 2-1 lead until the bottom of the fourth, when Louisiana College plated two runs to take a 3-2 lead. BSC wasn't able to get on base after that, giving the Wildcats the 3-2 victory.
Bassett was 1-3 at the plate with two RBI, while sophomore Bethany Fronk was 2-3. Fronk also threw the complete game, giving up eight hits and three earned runs with six strikeouts to fall to 11-6 on the season.
In game two, the Panthers got off to another fast start, scoring three in the top of the first on an RBI single from Bassett, an RBI double from sophomore Alyssa Statham, and a run scored on an error by Lousiana College. The bottom of the fourth proved productive again for the Wildcats, however, as they scored five runs - one on an RBI single, two on a BSC error, and two more on another RBI single.
The Panthers were able to cut the lead to 5-4 in the top of the fifth courtesy of a Fronk RBI single, but BSC couldn't score in the final two innings.
Statham was 3-4 at the plate for BSC, and Bassett was 2-4. Freshman Deanna Creps started in the circle and pitched 3.1 innings, allowing four hits and one earned run before Fronk came in for the final 2.2 innings and gave up two hits to take the loss and fall to 11-7.
The Panthers are off until next weekend when they continue Southern Athletic Association action at home against Sewanee with doubleheaders on Friday, March 29, and Saturday, March 30, both at noon at BSC Softball Park.


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In the vague recesses of my temporal lobe, I remember. I suppose you have to be in your fifties or sixties to remember this. When I think of it today I am astounded that this was even done or how they thought it was a good idea.
WHAT?? When I was probably about the age of six or seven we went to the shoe store and in the middle of the store there was a machine where you could stand on it and see an x ray of your feet. SHOE STORE FLUOROSCOPY my mother would not let us get on there. This would have been the late 1940 or early 1950
She would holler "Don't get on there, get off of there." I suppose you were to get the best fit.
Looking at that today it still amazes me that this was a source of major radiation and who knows the REMS that were passed out to trusting and unsuspecting customers.
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Congressional Republicans, on the other hand, appear to be drawing up their plays in the sand, with rump groups in both the House and the Senate pursuing strategies at odds with party leadership.
With Congress out for a five-week August break, this disjointed state of affairs on Capitol Hill could mean Washington is headed for another intense fiscal battle in the fall, when it has only nine working days to come to terms before the fiscal year ends and the lights go out on Oct. 1, and before the national debt ceiling is breached, sometime after Labor Day.
When Mr. Obama came to Capitol Hill on Wednesday, he spoke with congressional Democrats about the National Security Agency's data collection programs, the implementation of his signature health-care law, the immigration reform fight, and an unusually public battle over potential replacements for the chairman of the Federal Reserve. What he didn't spend much time on, Democrats say, was how to proceed on the debt ceiling and funding the government.
"The caucus has followed the president very closely. We know what's in his budget. We know what he would do if Republicans stepped forward" on a compromise proposal, Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D) of Nevada told reporters. "We don't need a long discussion."
The White House game plan, publicly endorsed by Democrats, is to push for an increase in the nation's debt limit without attached policy changes. Moreover, the president says he will not sign spending bills that don't treat defense and nondefense spending equally.
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That's a vow long-made by the president but, since the summer of 2011, one that Republicans have forced him to abdicate, because defaulting on the US government debt is almost universally believed to be a precursor to a worldwide financial shock that could sink the US economy. That's an outcome Obama has promised to prevent.
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Republicans say they, too, are open to a sweeping deal with the White House, but are deeply divided on the terms of the negotiation.
House Speaker John Boehner (R) of Ohio set a new standard for raising the debt limit when, in 2011, he demanded spending cuts equivalent to the amount of the debt-ceiling increase. Republicans in both houses backed this demand and prevailed.
But this year, GOP lawmakers have drawn competing lines in the sand. A group of Senate conservatives, backed by some GOP House members, are refusing to approve funding for the new fiscal year unless Obamacare is defunded, to the last dime. Given the GOP's inability to pass spending bills at its preferred, more austere level of government spending in the near term, it's unclear what kind of long-term spending concessions Republicans could actually wring out of the White House.
Meanwhile, attempts are ongoing to find points of compromise between the White House and a select cadre of Senate Republicans, who have met with the president and Chief of Staff Dennis McDonough in recent days to discuss fiscal issues.
Sen. Bob Corker (R) of Tennessee, one of this group, says Senate Republicans and the White House could come to a smaller deal to continue government operations by exchanging the sequester cuts for reductions to mandatory spending programs that stand to generate much more of America's long-term debt or, perhaps, by reaching the sweeping "grand bargain" on fiscal issues that has eluded lawmakers and Obama since 2011.
But Senator Corker and perhaps a half-dozen other senators are matched by a garrulous group of conservative senators with unyielding demands.
This group, led by Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky, Mike Lee of Utah, and Ted Cruz of Texas, objects to the House and Senate attempting to iron out the differences between the budgets of the two chambers, fearing that party leaders will agree to raise the debt ceiling as part of a fiscal deal but won't extract sufficient concessions from the White House.
The same group is demanding that Senate Republicans vote against any government spending bill that includes funding for Obamacare, saying that shutting down the government for some time would be a small price to pay for killing the president's law.
The trio argues that though their party was politically punished for precipitating two shutdowns in the mid-1990s, the outcome was worth it – and that Republicans who do vote for any legislation that funds Obamacare are guilty of endorsing it.
"There are a great many Republicans who are haunted by the ghost of shutdowns past," Senator Cruz said at the Heritage Foundation on Tuesday. "It is received wisdom in Washington that the 1995 shutdown was terrible for Republicans.... I don't believe the evidence supports that conclusion."
"There was some political pain. President Clinton took a two-by-four to the Republicans and scored some political points," Cruz continued, "but as the result of their standing up for principle, we saw year after year of balanced budgets coming out of Congress."
House and Senate Republican leaders have avoided weighing in on the Senate conservatives' plan. But several of Cruz's colleagues say such a plan is either ineffective or would put Republicans on the wrong side of the politics of a government shutdown – or both.
"The only effective way to truly stop Obamacare – and I think we ought to stop it – would be to totally reverse it. We don't have the votes to do that," said Sen. Tom Coburn (R) of Oklahoma on the Senate floor Tuesday.
Senator Coburn added that while standing strong on a government shutdown might win them concessions, he feared many Republicans wouldn't carry through with the threat when the government actually did shut down and public pressure rose to reopen it, earning them the public's aspersion with none of the benefits.
"And just so my colleagues will remember, it was actually 1996 when we had the government shutdowns, and everybody was all for it – till they weren't," said Coburn, who voted against reopening the government as a House member at the time. "I also know human nature. And the very people that say they'll do things today, when it really gets tough don't do it."
In the House, Republicans head into fiscal negotiations on similarly rocky footing, having difficulty proving they can overcome divisions in their own ranks to pass their preferred legislative agenda of deep spending cuts.
Republican leaders pulled a bill funding housing, urban development, and transportation priorities from consideration on Wednesday because, House Republican leadership contends, they wouldn't be able to handle all of the amendments to the bill before the chamber adjourned for the August break.
But Rep. Hal Rogers (R) of Kentucky, chairman of the Appropriations Committee, blasted the decision, arguing that House Republican leaders did so for lack of GOP support and that House Republicans proved they can't follow through on the deep cuts projected in their budget earlier this year.
The House has approved four appropriations bills – each at spending levels above those specified by the Budget Control Act (the legislation capping federal discretionary spending for the decade after its passage as part of the 2011 debt ceiling deal, or with only minor reductions below that level). Thus, the transportation bill was the chamber's first test to pass legislation at the "austere" level of the House Republican budget, explained Representative Rogers in a statement.
By pulling the bill, knowing it has "bleak" prospects of passage after the August break, House leaders showed the House to be incapable of backing up tough budget talk, Rogers said. He also said that the sequestration cuts, which many in the party hailed as a victory for fiscal conservatism, need to be reversed or replaced.
"With this action, the House has declined to proceed on the implementation of the very budget it adopted just three months ago. Thus, I believe that the House has made its choice: Sequestration – and its unrealistic and ill-conceived discretionary cuts – must be brought to an end," said Rogers.
"The House, Senate and White House must come together as soon as possible on a comprehensive compromise that repeals sequestration, takes the nation off this lurching path from fiscal crisis to fiscal crisis, reduces our deficits and debt, and provides a realistic topline discretionary spending level to fund the government in a responsible – and attainable – way," Rogers continued.
Even with so much uncertainty, Speaker Boehner continues to say that Republicans and Democrats will find a way to progress.
"We're going to have ample time to deal with the fiscal issues that are staring us right in the face," Boehner said Wednesday. "And I'm confident that when we get into the fall, we'll find – it may be a messy process, but I suspect we'll find – a way to get there."


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