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Subject: Philip Winchester's 'Camelot': Leontes, Guinness & Va Va Voom
Wed May 04, 2011 8:29 pm
By Curt Wagner RedEye
11:38 p.m. CDT, May 3, 2011
After six episodes of the Starz' series "Camelot," I'm still having a hard time believing Guinevere would throw over her hubby, the knight Leontes, for young King Arthur.
Leontes is brave, dashing, honorable, and Philip Winchester plays him.
"Well, I appreciate that, mate," Winchester responded with a laugh when I suggested Guinevere was crazy.
Leontes also is head-over-heels in love with his wife (Tamsin Egerton) and loyal to his king (Jamie Campbell Bower). He doesn't know about their past affair, or that they struggle against reigniting the spark, which is apparent in the episode "Three Journeys," debuting at 9 p.m. May 6. While Leontes goes on a mission for the king, Arthur accompanies Guinevere on a trip to see her ailing father.
The love triangle explodes later in the season, Winchester admitted. "It will get resolved in a very dramatic way. I can tell you that," he said, joking: "We have a tap dance-off."
I'm not sure about his dancing, but Winchester is no stranger to playing men who lose in love. In Fox's "Fringe," he guest stars as Fauxlivia's ex, Frank, and in NBC's long-gone "Crusoe," he played the title role, a man living on a deserted island and lost to his wife back in England.
It was as that ab-baring, swashbuckling character that Winchester became widely exposed to American TV audiences. But thanks to Crusoe and subsequent roles, including in "Camelot," many viewers believe he is British. "My mom's English and she met a cowboy when she was on holiday in Montana," he said, "and then I came along."
The acting bug hit the Montana native early. Between riding horses on his grandfather's ranch and family trips to Britain, he spent a lot of time with his father's actor friends. His dad participated in theater at Montana State University, and would let his son hang out at rehearsals.
During high school, Winchester appeared in commercials and in the movie "The Patriot." "It wasn't the Mel Gibson one," he said. "It was the Steven Seagal one, which is really embarrassing to say. I was 16 and I didn't know any better; it was my first movie."
When he told his parents a few years later that he wanted to be an actor professionally, they said he had to train in England. So at 18, he packed up and headed to his grandmother's bed-and-breakfast outside London and studied at The London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art. Eventually he spent a year working with the Royal Shakespeare Company, starring as Edmund in "King Lear."
"When I left the States I had a full American accent," he said, "but over the years … I just learned to pick up [an English accent] very quickly and use it."
He may have gotten the accent right in London, but there was one thing he didn't learn until filming "Camelot" in Ireland last year. He and the other actors playing knights perfected their sword fighting, horseback riding and other knightly skills at "medieval boot camp." But they also played hard, Winchester suggested.
"It is true what they say about the Guinness [in Ireland]," he said. "It tastes absolutely different. It's creamier and smoother. You can put several down before you know you've done it. Not only were we on the 'Camelot' quest for protecting the king and all the Arthurian legend, but we were also on the quest for the perfect pint of Guinness, which we did quite often. We went looking for that as much as we could."
Winchester, calling from Cape Town, South Africa, talked about "Camelot" and "Fringe," his HBO/Cinemax project, doing the "knight workout" and how Va Va Voom the horse never, ever follows.
Arthur (Jamie Campbell Bower) and Leontes (Philip Winchester) in "Camelot." (Starz)
Hi Philip. You're calling from South Africa?
I am, yeah. My wife and I are out in Cape Town at the moment shooting a show for HBO.
I hear you did some extra "Camelot," too?
Yeah, that's right, we just finished a few pickups for "Camelot." … "Camelot" came down here because I couldn't go back to Dublin to do pickups for that. So they flew their production down here. [Laughs.] Which is really cool, actually, because I get to see all the guys and everyone's really excited.
That's cool they came to Cape Town.
Well, it was really nice of them because I know they could've just cut me out of it. [Laughs.] But they were actually quite nice, and said, "We'll leave you in," and they came down here. So it's great.
What are you shooting? Can you talk about it?
We're doing a series called "Strike Back," which is a—sorry, one second, I'm just going to grab something off my mate—thank you very much, I appreciate it. Sorry, it's my birthday and just got handed a lovely bottle of champagne.
Oh, happy birthday.
Thanks buddy. So yeah, so it's called "Strike Back" and it's actually their second season. It was on Skye [in Britain] originally. Richard Armitage was the lead in it and Daniel Percival directed it. HBO got wind of it and now HBO and Skye have collaborated on it and … we're doing six episodes in Cape Town and four episodes up in Hungary.
Cool. Didn't you shoot "Crusoe" in South Africa?
Yeah, that's right. We're not exactly in the same location geographically, but we're working with a lot of the crew and a lot of the same stunt people. So it's really great for my wife and I. It feels like we've come home, because there's a very tight community here. It's really neat.
I should tell you that I actually enjoyed "Crusoe."
[Laughs.] I like how you say that, because you know that not many people did.
I know, but I did. I liked it; it was fun.
Well good, I appreciate that, mate. That's exactly what it was supposed to be. I think we saw it kind of change after the third script … We thought, "Well, let's have fun with it." And actually, it's lovely to hear that. Because the complements that we did get were along the line of, "An entire family can sit down and watch the show." And that doesn't happen very often. So I think we made something that was accessible to more people than most shows. You know what I mean?
I do. Just a fun adventure show, sort of like the pirate movies I watched as a kid. But let's talk about "Camelot" and your character. He is not in the Arthurian legend that I can find. But is he supposed to be a new take on Lancelot?
Well, it's interesting. We had a lot of discussions on set. He's not supposed to be Lancelot, but he's supposed to have a lot of facets that Lancelot did have. What they've done with this series of "Camelot" is it's pre-Round Table, it's pre-having the knights in any kind of assembled form. These guys are a rag-tag group of guys at the moment. Arthur is very young; he has his brother, Kay. The audience is trying to figure out whether Merlin's good or bad. There's Eva Green, who plays Morgana and she's always switching sides. It's very much the beginning of the Round Table and this group of men who stand for honor and justice.
And Leontes, he's actually a Shakespearian character, isn't he? In the story that we're telling, he's originally one of the knights that guards King Uther. So Leontes, Brastias (Diarmaid Murtagh) and Ulfius (Jamie Downey) are actually taken from King Uther once he dies and they join Arthur's new assembly of men to become the new knights who will look after King Arthur.
So, the character of Leontes, in this, has a relationship with a very young Guinevere. And throughout the episodes you see that relationship develop and they've been betrothed to each other and they get married. That develops and, of course, that leads into the triangle of Leontes, Guinevere and King Arthur, which then again will lead into the love triangle of Guinevere, Arthur and Lancelot.
They're sort of making Guinevere out to be a flanderer.
[Laughs.] Well, I think it was always a bit of a risk. Tamsin Egerton, who plays Guinevere, is such a beautiful girl. And she's so charming and charismatic that, we always thought that would be a risk as well, but it just doesn't come off that way. She's so good at just being kind of humble and beautiful that you really buy her innocence. They certainly cast the right girl.
Were you a little worried about making this character who people might confuse with Lancelot.
[Creator] Chris Chibnall and I sat down a lot and talked about the character, because I thought it does run the risk of walking a very fine line of becoming another character. However, they haven't introduced that character. So I thought, "Well, let's make him the knight who does protect Arthur."
He is the leader of the knights. Let's make him that kind of person who has honor and who has integrity and really leads these men into places that really challenge them and we'll see what happens by the end of the series with him—whether he can continue that or not, especially if he finds out about the stuff with King Arthur. So he'll really be put to the test.
Guinevere and Arthur seem to feel bad about messing around, but not bad enough not to do it.
[Laughs.] But not bad enough to stop, which is usually the case with things like that, isn't it? [Laughs.] It's funny because all three of us would get together and chat about this and say we have to make [their attraction based on] either the fact that he is the king or the fact that [Guinevere and Leontes] have been together so long that they know everything about each other and … it's reached that place where it's become commonplace. They know everything about each other. So this young kid comes along and he's also the new king who adds just enough to make it interesting to take her away for a while, to get her distracted.
Let's about the sword fighting and horse work. You've done that before, but was it tricky anyway?
I had, and obviously from "Crusoe," done quite a bit of sword fighting, and I spent a year with the Royal Shakespeare Company and we did "King Lear." I played Edmund and Edmund had a lot of sword fighting at the end of the show. I'd actually done this a few years, lots of sword fighting and things back to back to back. I did a film with James Purefoy called "Solomon Kane." And so sword fighting was always there to tap into.
We had a really good group of guys to work with [on "Camelot"]. It was actually brilliant; they did kind of a boot camp, but a medieval boot camp version when we got there. Every morning on set we'd warm up and then sword fight for a few hours. We'd go horse riding in the afternoon out in the Irish countryside and learn how to bolt up horses and learn how to do some jumping, things like that.
And again, I think most of us had a bit of horse riding experience. I had horse riding experience for growing up in Montana. My grandfather had a ranch and so I grew up on a ranch with him and we'd get cattle and bring them in in the morning, things like that. We didn't have hunter horses or anything; we weren't jumping. It was very basic stuff with big western saddles. So this was all quite new. It was all very posh and very proper.
Also, with the time period, the Dark Ages, there was potentially a huge amount of power and pomp and circumstance that went with the fact that you owned a horse and knew how to ride a horse. If you were a knight, this was a very big deal. So we kind of applied all that to these characters. These guys definitely were men—weathered, battled-hardened men. We tried to dredge up all that stuff and bring that into the training and to the sword fighting and horse riding. It was definitely good fun.
Your horse has quite a costume.
[Laughs.] My horse's name was Va Va Voom. That's such an appropriate name: Va Va Voom. [Laughs.] He is an ex polo horse. The thing that Va Va hated more than anything was to be behind another horse. He had to be in front. So when we had scenes where other guys were in front, like when Gawain was in front of me or Brastias or King Arthur, anyone else was in front of me, Va Va was underneath [me] just going crazy. I could feel her engine revving up. She just hated it. I would have to run her up to the front of the group just to calm her down and then we'd have to go back and start all over again. She's a great horse, though.
I remember during "Crusoe" you talked about how you sort of altered your workout regimen to fit the island and the things that would have been available to that character. Did you do that kind of thing in the medieval castles?
[Laughs.] It's funny, actually, we had a really old-school personal trainer named Pat Henry. Pat Henry has trained tons and tons of people who've gone through Dublin and made films in Ireland. He's a wonderful man … He took us all under his wing. He took myself and Diarmaid Murtagh, the guy who plays Brastias, and Peter Mooney, the guy who plays Kay, and Clive Standen, who plays Gawain. He took us all under his wing.
He kind of made this thing we called the knight workout. And we were doing things typically that would be helpful for your upper body for sword fighting and riding horses and things like that. It wasn't as much as "Crusoe," because I remember on "Crusoe" we were running sand dunes and doing things like that. We weren't doing pull ups on the castle by any stretch of the imagination, but the workout with broadswords and then horse riding, and training with Henry was a different workout.
Each show kind of has its own flavor; each character needs to look at bit physically different from another character. So hopefully you get a couple of months or at least a month to try and change your body enough to become those people in a way that is more believable.
You seem to do all these very physically demanding roles. Is that something you try to do?
I could be looking for them, I guess. When I read the scripts I see that there's the physical stuff in it. I just know that I enjoy it. I enjoy doing it and I enjoy the challenge of how it's shot. Obviously what the audience sees is the character having a great sense of himself or of looking a certain way. But it's a huge collaboration. You have your personal trainer, you have your nutritionist, you have the camera team and the director picking the way you're going to move and the things you're going to do in the scene. So it is really a huge collaboration. And it's lovely when it comes across on screen and people think, "Gosh, we really believe that."
Let's talk about the cast. How scary is Eva Green for real?
[Laughs.] Eva Green, she was actually just lovely. She is such a lovely person. … To be honest with you, she is such a treat. She's so professional and she's breathtakingly gorgeous. So can you imagine Eva was up there and five, six, seven of these knights hanging around with each other, it was just—usually there was tons of banter going back and forth with each other and then Eva would step on set and you could hear a pin drop.
That's funny. She's really good in that role.
She's fantastic, isn't she?
Yes she is. You have a lot more with Joseph Fiennes and the knights.
Joseph Fiennes, he is fantastic. We had such a crack, especially being in Ireland where the atmosphere on the set, there was always a lot of banter going on between each other. We made fun of Joe being Shakespeare [in "Shakespeare in Love"] and things like that. He was brilliant. He's such a good actor and made these great choices with Merlin. It was so great to stand beside him and watch him do things with this character. You just think, "Gosh, this guy is really good at what he does."
But honestly the time we spent together as a group of guys, the knights, was great. Not only did we spend a bunch of time together on set, because the shooting hours for episode of television are just long and arduous, but we spent a lot of time in the pub. We spent a lot of time training. We spent a lot of time horseback riding. And if we weren't on set, we were probably either out learning lines or doing auditions with each other or hanging out at the pub and watching rugby and just kind of getting a bit of the culture down. So the relationships were really deep. And that's why it's great to have more here now in Cape Town. It feels like this brotherhood kind of got back together again, because it's been a few months since we've seen each other.
Ireland looks gorgeous in the episodes. Did you get time to really see it?
It's just so magical. It's absolutely brilliant. People in Ireland are just so hospitable. ...
Did you shoot in real castles or were those sets?
They were sets. They did a fantastic job. It was over at Ardmore Studios where they'd done "The Tudors." Morgan O'Sullivan … is just a wonderful producer. He's been doing it for years and years and years. Everyone respects him so much because he's kept the film business alive in Ireland. He brought in this amazing team of production designers. And they built the castle inside one of the sound stages; the great hall was inside the sound stage. And the exterior shots, they usually built the door, and a bit of the wall and then green-screened the rest of it on a cliff outside in the Wicklow Mountains just outside Dublin. So we did a lot of exteriors out in the mountains around Dublin, which was equally beautiful because I never imagined Dublin to be so rugged and vast. But it really is. You can drive outside Dublin in half an hour and you're in the luscious, greenest mountain you've ever seen. They're just beautiful.
Are we going to see Frank again on "Fringe"?
I don't know is the real answer. It was funny, Frank came in about a year ago. And I got to meet with everyone and do some scenes with Anna [Torv] and stuff and we had a ball. And I was really pleased, and surprised to be asked back again and we developed the character a bit more. Then this big bombshell happened in the last stuff that I shot. [From Curt: Frank learned Fauxlivia was pregnant, with someone else's kid.]
It was funny because I was filming "Camelot" and I would leave "Camelot" on a Sunday morning, get to Vancouver … Sunday night. I'd film Monday on "Fringe" and I'd fly back to Dublin on Monday night. So I would literally be in Vancouver for about 24 hours.
Shooting for 12 of those, probably.
And we would shoot, we would literally shoot everything with Frank in it because I didn't have any time to be there. And then the last thing that we shot with Frank, the ultrasound and the bug man and all that stuff, we finished "Camelot" production on a Friday, I flew out Saturday, had Sunday to rest and learn lines. Then we shot Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday all that stuff. It was on the last episode. So it was a bit crazy.
The only answer is that I don't know if we will see him back. I would love to go back. It is such a finely tuned machine out there. Everybody on the show is just tremendous. That's obviously why it's such a hit. They're just brilliant. But I don't know if we're going to see him again. I'm hoping there's, because obviously we've seen Frank in the alternate universe, but it'd be fun to see him in this universe. It'd be fun to kind of explore what he'd be like.
Everyone thinks you are British, but you're not … Is your wife, Megan, American?
Actually, she's from Montana as well. We grew up together. Her brother and I were best friends growing up and her mom was my geometry teacher in high school and her dad was my baseball coach. We've known each other an awfully long time, so it seemed the right thing to do. We were best friends, and it's always a good thing to marry your best friend.
Right, right, unless you're Leontes.
[Laughs.] This is true. [Laughs.] That's right, that's very true.
Was it "The Patriot" that gave you the taste for acting?
It was quite a bit before that. My mom was working nights when I was younger at a nursing home and my dad was at Montana State University. … I'd go to the university with dad and just hang out back stage with actors.
And to be honest with you, I thought that was kind of what people did. I thought people told stories and also, being such a tight community of people, a lot of them were involved in this thing called Montana Shakespeare in the Parks, which Joel Janke directs and runs, they were a family to us. So we hung out with these people for years and years and years when I was a kid. I just thought that's what people did. They told stories, they rectified things with sword fights, and they enjoyed life.
So I thought, "Why not give it a shot?" What was great was I had parents who said if you want to do it then do it. They didn't turn me away from it. So I was really fortunate there. A lot of people don't have that support. But I think my dad knew. He said, "I can't say no because I did it as well." So it was probably from those years being a boy growing up in the theater in Montana and hearing Shakespeare in the Park and watching my dad do that with his friends.
What were your first professional gigs?
I think the first thing I did when I was a kid was a Maxwell House Coffee commercial with George Strait. [Laughs.] And I did a Wrangler Jeans commercial, and then "The Patriot" came to town.
The director was a guy named Dean Semler, who was actually a [director of photography]. He DP'd "Dances with Wolves" and "Water World." And then he went on to do "Apocalypto" with Mel Gibson. He kind of took me under his wing and said, "Look, you can do this for as long as you want, just keep your head on your shoulders and work hard and you can do this."
I never forgot that it wasn't about being in the right place at the right time, which it can be a lot of the times. Don't get me wrong, but he really encouraged me just to work harder and never kind of let go of that. Even in those months and months and months you think, "This is the right job," then you have a meeting and a screen test and it doesn't go anywhere and you think, "Oh man, what am I doing wrong?" Even in those times I think back and just think, "Keep your head down, keep working." That was very encouraging for me.
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Today's guest poster is Tyaera, a Protection Paladin on the Dath'Remar server. Tyaera feels paladins just need a chance to prove their abilities when tanking end game bosses. Read on..
Being a paladin tank is kind of like wanting to push a square peg into a round hole. Quite often, before I joined my current guild, this is what I'd hear. "I can tank this boss!" "paladins can't tank this boss because of X!" "[insert long diatribe about exactly why X reason is totally invalid, including an in-depth gear analysis and comparison as to why you are able to tank it]". "….yeah ok. [warrior name], you're tanking".
Pretty frustrating.
I read all of the theorycrafting (well, ok, not ALL of it, there's enough theorycrafting out there to supply a small African nation with scrap paper for about thirty six years, but I read a lot), I compared pieces of gear endlessly. While I was still buying badge gear, it wasn't uncommon to find me sitting in front of the badge vendor for about an hour, comparing two pieces of gear, to find out which one was the best, no matter the tiny margin of difference. I put in as absolutely much effort as I could to maximize my potential.
Sorry, only warriors tank raid bosses.
Half of a paladin tank's struggle is to learn to tank. Learn what uncrushable means. Learn what uncrittable means. Tank as much as you can so that you can become a good TANK as well as a good paladin tank. There are a lot of skills essential to being a good tank that are not paladin-specific!
The other half of the struggle is to be allowed to tank. And when I say allowed to tank, I don't mean, brought to Zul'Aman to tank Jan'alai hawks. I don't mean brought to Karazhan off nights to speed up the trash. I don't mean brought to SSC to tank Tidewalker's adds, then subbed out. I mean to be allowed to tank on an equal level to warriors.
A lot of paladins fall into the trap of talenting into Holy, "just for tonight". Tonight turns into two nights. Then a week. Then a month. Before you know it, you're the paladin holy class leader and you still haven't tanked anything. You might be being tossed tanking pieces every now and then but you're still not going to be tanking anything.
The best advice I can give is to find yourself a pocket healer. Take them on a 5man instance run. Show them how much easier and quicker an instance is with you than anyone else they've run with, and show them that you're skilled. They'll want to come again. Then you can start bringing smart DPSers. They'll appreciate you too. By the time it comes time for raid invites, if you're not in the group and tanking, people will start asking, hey, why doesn't [Pallytank] ever tank anything?
A personal example is when our guild was making Leotheras the Blind attempts. Our prot warrior was having a huge amount of trouble picking up Leo after whirlwinds, and someone said "well why don't we get Ty to tank him, he can use his shield to pick up Leo", and everyone agreed, so I did.
They will get you accepted without you having to say a word. They'll speak up for you.
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Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 12:37amUgh. No. Don't pay it anyone. Just don't.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:48pm
Re:I don't know if this is just about the tax. I think it's another way to reign in the freedom of the net using payment processing.
There's a system already in place where Paypal, Visa, etc. report to states on certain purchases made online so they can collect the tax by contacting the individual directly, such as tobacco products. I imagine this will be expanded to verify proper taxes were paid (including international).
As it is, payment processing has become a tool of enforcement against industries, trades, technology that someone didn't and they've been very happy to comply. Mp3's from Russia, MegaUpload, file hosts (cyberlockers) - what's next? VPN service - or a distributor based in China? Bitcoin? Anonymous pre-paid cards?
This might be an easy way to gain oversight or all online purchases. That may seem extreme, but I've never known a US corporation that didn't "want it all", including viewing the food stamp program as "competition" (Citibank) when there might be a buck they could make.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:58pm
Re: Re:I've observed over the last decade that very few bills that get support are actually written by lawmakers anymore. I think most bills were handed to representatives that were originally written by some corporate lawyer, often a piece of a puzzle from a corporate think-tank, and with not so obvious results/consequences.
Who actually wrote this bill?
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 3:08pm
Re: Re:I think it's another way to reign in the freedom of the net using payment processing.
Rein in. As in horse's reins.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 4:48am
Re: Re: Re:In fairness taxes are generally about reigning as well.
nasch (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 6:38am
Re: Re: Re: Re:In fairness taxes are generally about reigning as well.
Reigning, but not reigning in.
R.H. (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:35pm
Re:My state (Michigan) actually has a 'use' tax that is the same amount as our state sales tax (6.0%). You are supposed to list on your state income tax forms any purchases that you made while present in the state from retailers that didn't charge you sales tax and pay that amount then. I don't know many non-business owners or accountants who even know about this tax let alone pay it.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:03amOr you know you could stop wasting tax dollars on dumb programs and such.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:07amGet over it. In the UK we have to deal VAT at 20% which means you pay a tax on most goods regardless of channel, including imported goods.
Richard (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:28am
Re:Get over it. In the UK we have to deal VAT at 20% which means you pay a tax on most goods regardless of channel, including imported goods.
And indeed throughout europe and in much of the rest of the world.
Seems to me there are two issues here.
i) Do sales taxes make sense?
ii) Do local sales taxes make sense?
It is clear that whatever your answer to i) the answer to ii) is clearly no.
When the UK reviewed local taxation a few years back it was pretty clear that local sales tax was not viable in the modern world.
If the US wants sales taxes then they have to be national. Anything else is just an invitation to load of anomalies.
In the long run the only viable local tax is a property (real estate) tax - because you can't move a house over the border.
R.H. (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:31pm
Re: Re:The issue with this is the fact that the constitution doesn't forbid the states from levying taxes. This means that the federal government can't pass a law stating that the states cannot levy a sales tax. A state can say that its counties/cities cannot levy local sales tax but they often don't. For example in Chicago, IL the general sales tax is 9.25%. The state of Illinois charges 6.25%, Cook County charges 1.75%, and the city of Chicago charges 1.25%. It was higher but it's dropped for the last couple years. That's probably the most complicated example but it's a result of the fact that the United States was built as a union of sovereign states and even though many of those features have since gone by the wayside, many of the powers that other western governments maintain at the federal level devolve to the states since the 10th Amendment states (in full), "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." So, technically, if the Constitution doesn't say that the federal government can do something, it can't.
There is an interstate commerce clause (Article I, Section 8, Clause 3: [The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;) that gets used, quite often actually, to grant the government the right to do things outside the specific scope of the Constitution but I don't think that forbidding the states from levying a sales tax on business that occurs within their borders would fall inside of that clause.
Hephaestus (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:41am
Re:In the UK we have to deal VAT at 20%
Does that include tea? If it does you should follow your what the Colonies did.
Nellius, 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:57am
Re: Re:no, tea (along with most other foodstuffs) is zero-rated
Bengie, 26 Mar 2013 @ 4:54am
Re:A 20% tax wouldn't seem so bad if I didn't have to pay so much for healthcare.
Apples and Oranges. Governments typically don't just charge taxes without typically giving something in return.
DS, 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:11am
Re: Re:A 20% consumption tax wouldn't seem so bad if it was tempered with a 20% reduction in income tax. I mean, really, why don't more people have issues with money being taxed at both ends (and all points between)?
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:13am
Re: Re: Re:I mean, really, why don't more people have issues with money being taxed at both ends (and all points between)?
I think maybe they're actually willing to pay for the services they want from their government, unlike the citizens of the US.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 4:59am
Re: Re: Re: Re:Were I a resident of the UK I'd be asking my representatives why we were paying so much more for 'services we want from our government' then, say, the swiss.
R.H. (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:12pm
Re: Re: Re:Actually there's an idea for a 23% (or so I can't exactly remember the exact amount) national sales tax to be used in place of income tax. It comes up every couple years but never seems to go anywhere.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 4:51am
Re: Re:Governments can't collect money for free either...
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 2:32am
Re:Misery loves company ehhh.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 4:19am
Response to: Anonymous Coward on Mar 26th, 2013 @ 1:07amTwo things:
A VAT is not really a sales tax.
Who cares if taxes are exorbitant in the UK or EU? That's no reason to make taxes more oppressive in the US.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:09amand inevitably it will stop or at least slow down internet sales, making it less attractive to shop on-line. that is the whole aim of 'the big boys'. just like the entertainment industries, they not only cant compete, they dont want to compete, preferring to stifle innovation and shut down sites in the hope that people will flock back to the stores! and, yet again, thick fucking politicians do what is asked, rather than what they should. the attitude seems to be that 'we must have economic growth, we must have more alternative options. compete with the big boys? you're not allowed to do that! you have to be stopped!!'
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:16am
Re:I wish we could remove all the darn politicians. I keep trying to vote out the bad ones but my state keeps re-electing the aholes.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:24am
Re:You are telling me that sales tax is you make-or-break point on online shopping? You sit there with a calculator and figure out how much you would have paid in a store and then masturbate over the difference?
Look, there _will_ be a tax on internet purchases. This is as certain as the sun will rise tomorrow. Now, you can stand defiant on your hill and scream hatred at the storm. Or, you can get ahead of it, and work to kee it as low as possible. Congress will enact the tax, and Congress will set the rate. Get the rate set low; get the tax targeted at a problem, like gas and cigarette taxes are; like maybe the national debt, or national healthcare, or infrastructure improvements, or wifi coverage for municipalities, or free Girl Scout cookies for everyone. Or, you can piss and moan about life sucks, and then when they inevitably roll over you, you are beaten _and_ fucked
Greg G, 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:43am
Re: Re:You are telling me that sales tax is you make-or-break point on online shopping?
Pretty much. I don't buy much from Amazon anymore if I have an alternative (I go directly to Amazon Marketplace vendors' sites) because Amazon has started charging sales tax in Texas.
So, yes, it can be a make-or-break point.
Milton Freewater, 26 Mar 2013 @ 12:53pm
Re: Re:"Or, you can get ahead of it, and work to keep it as low as possible."
The trick is staying ahead of it once it's implemented. Once its imposed, raises are also inevitable. Fighting it out of the box is the most efficient response.
Tough talk with the "you can piss and moan" comments, but the pissers and moaners have been around the block a couple more times than you.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 4:30am
Re: Re:That would be very ill advised. The difficulty is highest when implementing a new tax. Keeping the rates low for all time is much much harder than stopping a new tax. Your advice is so bad and so opposite the best course I have to wonder if that was the point all along.
Ole Juul (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:31am
Re:My thought exactly - just like the entertainment industries. The big box stores are kidding themselves though. I was recently in Walmart and thought I'd buy a cable that I needed. But I stopped short, because it was over 9 times the price of what I usually pay online from a US company (not even directly from China, and I'm in Canada). The big box stores have just had a long run of the gravy train and they're in denial that it will come to an end.
Come to think of it, how can a tax be collected if the goods are coming from another country - say China for example? Will they monitor all courier, mail, or shipping services?
Richard (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:33am
Re: Re:Come to think of it, how can a tax be collected if the goods are coming from another country - say China for example? Will they monitor all courier, mail, or shipping services?
Come on a trip to the UK. Now buy something direct from the US. You will find out that the answer to that question is (unfortunately) yes.
The solution to the US problem is to introduce a national sales tax and abolish the local sales taxes. Then redistribute the proceeds to the states. That way you will get a level playing field whilst continuing to raise the revenue.
The Old Man in The Sea, 26 Mar 2013 @ 3:02am
You think?We have the GST set at 10% and every year we have a bun fight between the states and the federal government over how much should be allocated to each state.
You have 50+ states and the bun fight will just be bigger.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 3:17am
Re: You think?Yes, but the interesting thing about a flat sales tax is that it hits everyone, and the poor disproportionately. However, it's guaranteed revenue. That's why sales taxes are so popular with polticos, whilst being unpopular with the general populace.
Having said that, it does solve the crazy sales issues you sometimes get from state to state.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 3:30am
Re: Re: Re:We are talking about taxes here. No matter how much sense it may make to say that a national tax will replace a state or local tax, the reality is, no taxes go away. So, by agreeing to a national tax, we are agreeing to another tax.
For you guys in places that have always had another tax (Vat), that's your own damn fault. Just like the cameras on every corner and other intrusive laws, you have yet to have a public consensus to fight these things or stop them in the first place. Just because you have always had a tax doesn't mean it is right. Just as the US has severe problems to fight/fix, you guys are leading the charge into a police state. I really wish the US could resist the lure of making a law for everything.
Englebert and his Humpered Dink, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:02pm
Re: Re: Re: Re:I don't think there are many people here in the UK who have much of an issue against VAT (apart for the size of it at the moment).
Somewhat ironically, in my eyes at least, the reason we don't mind it is because you can choose whether to buy something or not - and so you can choose to pay the tax or not. I say ironically, because I thought that was the argument many americans had against have a nationalised health insurance/service as we do in the UK.
What also happens is that, if set nationally, the sales tax will be included in the price, so you won't spend time worrying about it. Service compris.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 5:01am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:You should really get out more.
Josef Anvil (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 5:22am
Re: Re: Re:This is just another example of how the interwebs are seen as different from reality.
Dick Durbin is pictured in the article. So if you live in Illinois, you can look forward to a minimum of 15% federal income tax, then 10% sales tax on most of your purchases, and now what will probably be another 5-10% federal internet sales tax. So basically 30-40% of your income.
The federal government has been trying to figure out how to make a national sales tax palatable for a long time. Seems like the web is so different from reality that it makes sense.
btr1701 (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 10:04am
Re: Re: Re:> The solution to the US problem is to introduce
> national sales tax and abolish the local sales taxes.
They can't abolish local sales taxes. The federal government doesn't have that authority.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:34pm
Re: Re:They will collect tax through payment processors; Visa, Paypal, etc. Most of them already report to states on some purchases. The system is already in place.
The anonymous pre-paid credit card will go the way of the do-do. People will have to register and verify them somehow.
What disturbs me is that payment processing is a gateway point. If payment processors are told to stop accepting charges for something, they do without question. This includes services that are entirely LEGAL but some industry doesn't like. It's a new form of "law", without debate, without representation, without due process, without oversight or accountability.
How is that different than a toleration regime via online sales? If they don't want you buying from India or China - your payment can't be processed even using a foreign exchange service or Bitcoin.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:42am
Re:We've always had to pay sales tax for online purchases, and the online shops are still running circles around the physical ones.
TBH, I don't see why the delivery channel should matter on whether you pay taxes or not.
Ole Juul (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:51am
Re: Re:The delivery channel matters because if the far end of that channel is in another country, the government on the receiving end cannot control the sale, and is left with having to monitor the arrival of the taxable item.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 3:44am
Re: Re: Re:which they do for international sales anyway. It is was customs *does*.
Try to buy a boat in Canada and see for yourself ;)
btw, it should really be called 'buyer's tax', since the side that makes the purchase pays it (either directly to the shop, or in the case of international sales, at the border)
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:47am
Re:Actually, lobbying legislators is part of the competition.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:18amBut online buyers have to pay shipping - even if it's so-called "free" because it's been wrapped into the price.
This is anti-competitive. I buy online because I can't find the selection available at a retailer. They are living on another planet if they think I'm going to walk into a big box store, after wasting gas, time parking and then wait for service, wait again to check out, during the hours convienent for them - and half the time, I'm told I need to order what I want online anyway and have it shipped to the store. Wow. I just wasted several hours for that?
art guerrilla (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:54am
Re:EXACTLY !!! *besides* the fact that 90% of the time the local stores DO NOT have what i want IN STOCK...
i can't tell you how many times i WANT to buy from local sources, but they don't have the selection...
crap, i live near a small metro area, but it STILL can take HOURS to drive around to find out no one is stocking what i want/need...
...vs 5 minutes of googling/amazon ? ? ?
who are you kidding, Big Boxes, gtfoh...
if i hear -one more time!- that 'we can order that for you you and have it in a week or two', i'm going to go postal...
no shit sherlock, I CAN ORDER THAT SHIT ONLINE TOO, and save myself the aggravation AND extra money you will charge...
not to mention, sales droids DO NOT have better knowledge, expert advice to -you know- actually HELP me... the only reason they are there, is to pressure me into bullshit service/maintenance/replacement contracts, and generally rip me off...
gee, why don't i want to deal with them ? ? ?
more selection, cheaper, delivered to my door, no fucking annoying sales droids...
WHY do i want to shop at your crappy stores again ? ? ?
oh, i don't...
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:17am
Re: Re:not to mention, sales droids DO NOT have better knowledge, expert advice to -you know- actually HELP me...
No kidding. A while back when micro SD was new I called a certain blue and yellow electronics store to see if they had the size of micro SD card I wanted and he said yes. I get there and it turns out no, they do not have it. I call another store and he says yes. "Now this is micro SD not mini SD, right?" "Oh, um..." Another five minutes on hold and no, they don't have it either.
I pretty much just shop online now.
Zakida Paul (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:15amOh boo hoo. We already have this in the UK, it's called 20% VAT.
John Doe, 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:12am
Re:Yes and because the UK has it we should too! That is the most ridiculous argument around. We are not the UK and the UK is not the US.
The problem as a couple others here stated, is this will be a NEW tax on top of the sales tax states already collect. So the consumer/taxpayer will be worse off as old taxes do not go away and do not diminish.
btr1701 (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 10:10am
Re:> Oh boo hoo. We already have this in the UK,
> it's called 20% VAT.
The fact that you've fucked yourselves doesn't mean everyone else should too.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:16amum, sales tax is ALREADY due on online purchases. Most online stores don't pay it due to jurisdictional squabbles, so a federal law actually makes sense. Have the law state that the site must collect any sales tax due based on the state the item is to be delivered in ( delivery address seems the fairest way to do it- it bypasses the issue of proxies, while not allowing online stores to put their servers in sales tex-free states to avoid paying sales tax. Yes, I suppose you could arrange for delivery to a tax-free state and have it send to your actual address, but you can do something similar with brick-and-mortar stores.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 11:06am
Re:You confuse "sales tax" with "use tax." It's easy to do, as that is the intention. Because the dormant commerce clause of the US constitution prevents individual states from interfering with interstate commerce, they can not tax the sale, they must tax the use of an item within the state. And the use tax applies to everything bought intrastate, but it is offset by the sales tax. Therefore, use taxes actually apply to all purchases and sales taxes only apply to in-state purchases. So there is a difference and your argument might be just a scosh more compelling if you demonstrated knowledge of that fact.
DMNTD, 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:18am
yep.I feel thoroughly disenfranchised. The fact that internet tax was put on hold and the people NOT once complained, proves everything. I don't know what how much more evidence you need that shows democracy is a sham.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:44am
Re: yep.Maybe you're so obsessed with measures to combat infringing that you ignore things that will really impact you.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:42am""On Friday, Congress came one step closer to imposing a federal "internet sales tax" on any internet purchases by agreeing to amendment...""
Sorry if I'm wrong, but shouldn't that be "" by agreeing to an amendment..."" ?
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 3:20amEven if they imposed a tax to try and encourage people to go to brick&mortar it's still not better.
It's still cheaper, faster, more convenient and more efficient and better to shop online.
All the Gotcha pure profit items (700% markup) are cheaper online.
It's much easier to find a product in a search bar than in a store with constantly changing placements and generic labeling.
You don't have to drive to Amazon.com
You have a wider selection of choices. B&M stores typically have fewer brands. Even worse when it comes to lower spotlight items such as adapters.
User Reviews (Never shop without knowing what you're getting yourself into)
Sometimes intuitive designs. Did you know that item you're trying to buy might not work properly without this other item? Or might not work with your setup? Or hey, it might even work better with this other item.
There are only two areas in which B&M stores beat out online shopping. Demo units and shipping time (which is to say, there is none).
So unless this proposed tax is ridiculously high to the point of Boston Tea Party revolution, it's not going to deter people from online shopping in the slightest.
SirWired (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 5:12am
FFS, it's not an "internet" taxFFS, it's not an "internet" tax. It applies just the same to mail-order, phone-order, or any other way of ordering goods not for resale over state lines. States have been wanting to do this well before the internet.
Yes, I realize that the largest impact will probably be to online retailers, but I wish there was a SINGLE article about it that didn't call it an "internet" tax.
As a side note, yes, "random state governments" are complaining; they've budgeted for that sales tax revenue in their budgets, and they'd like to collect it. I'm not sure why their voices should not be considered important; after all, it's state taxes that are the subject of the discussion. Not collecting it results in a revenue shortage. Whether or not they spend their revenue wisely is an entirely separate discussion.
Dave Xanatos, 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:18am
Re: FFS, it's not an "internet" taxMy standard response to increased taxes: If you can show that for all practical purposes you've eliminated waste, and you still don't have enough money for what the taxpayers want you to do, then raise taxes. Otherwise, go back to the books and find money that I've already paid you and stop throwing it down the toilet.
btr1701 (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 10:22am
Re: Re: FFS, it's not an "internet" tax> If you can show that for all practical
> purposes you've eliminated waste, and
> you still don't have enough money for
> what the taxpayers want you to do, then
> raise taxes. Otherwise, go back to the
> books and find money that I've already
> paid you and stop throwing it down th
> toilet.
It truly amazes me how the people in CA keep falling for the same old song and dance. Jerry Brown and his bald head, along with his almost entirely Democrat/union-controlled legislature, continually waste all the revenue collected every year on idiotic crap like high-speed railways to nowhere anyone wants to go, and giving illegal aliens college scholarships, then when it comes time to pay for the things government actually *should* be doing (repairing roads, paying for police, firefighters, schools, etc.), there's nothing left.
So what do they do? They say they need more taxes, and if we don't vote to raise taxes on ourselves *yet again*, we'll be raped and murdered in our beds because there won't be any cops, and even if that doesn't happen, our houses will burn to the ground because there won't be any firemen to put them out, and if we somehow survive that, our kids won't have anywhere to go to school.
And like clockwork, the sheep get terrified that the big bad wolf is coming to get them and vote for more new and exciting taxes every time.
Here's a thought, Jerry, you bald-headed dipshit, why don't you spend the money on cops, firemen and schools *first*, then if anything is left over, you can play around with your lefty-loony projects like hiring dozens of 'diversity and inclusion specialists' at $200,000/yr a piece for the state government.
Anonynous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 11:16am
Re: FFS, it's not an "internet" taxI'm sure that muggers have budgeted income from mugging for their crack habit and they would like to collect it. How dare you ignore their voices, after all, it's the theft of your money with no visible return that is the subject of discussion. Not mugging you results in a crack shortage for them. Whether or not they buy crack or fortified wine is an entirely different discussion.
The fact of the matter is that taxes were based on the supposition of some value for those being taxed. Sales tax was in return for providing a favorable business environment with roads, and police and laws protecting buyers and merchants. Interstate commerce benefits from almost no state expenditures. However, some how the argument has been turned into taxes as some sort of medieval fealty to the local feudal lords and their power structure. Now they simply decide to spend money so they are entitled to shake their serfs by the ankles until all the change falls out of their pockets. Basically, you are arguing that we are back to indentured servitude working our masters' lands. How did that come to be?
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 5:03am
Re: FFS, it's not an "internet" tax"Just give us money, we'll talking about how we use it after you've given it to us!"
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 5:21amSo any of these mofos used the the "For the Children!" excuse yet to justify this?
out_of_the_blue, 26 Mar 2013 @ 5:23am
MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.Chicago merc too of course. Stock trades are at present entirely untaxed. That allows for sheer speculation (among the traders, not you; they charge you for each trade), which destabilizes the market (with computers they make literally millions of speculative trades), besides is totally unfair and unproductive. No other such large pool of trading goes untaxed, and as those grifters just skim value from producers without adding any, it's unconscionable.
But Ivy League Mike is FOR allowing Wall Street to remain untaxed. Those are his pals, and he too no doubt gets unearned income sheerly from being born having capital, not from anything resembling productive work.
By the way, Wall Street and Chicago BOT are anachronisms that should be done away with now. Not needed for either start-up capital or trading, it's become sheerly a casino.
1% TRANSACTION TAX ON WALL STREET will go a long way towards limiting The Rich from skimming off the rest of us.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 5:48am
Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.I don't know if you're the real Blue, but if you are, must you lace EVERY comment with an ad hominem attack?
It instantly destroys all credibility your statement may have gained.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 5:54am
Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.Wow - minus the stab at Mike, you actually make sense for once.
*head implodes since he actually agrees with ootb*
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 5:15am
Re: Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.Nothing he said makes sense. First he conflates arbitrage (millions of trades made by computer) with speculation (betting on future prices) then insists they destabilize the market, which they demonstrably don't. Then he claims this goes untaxed which is also completely false as they're actually taxed twice, once when the money is earned initially and again whenever this is a capital gain. He also pretends that capital investment has no effect on value and that value comes entirely from 'producers' which is also demonstrably false. But the truly crazy part is that a transaction tax would hit index funds, like the ones that make up wide swaths of the middle class' 401k or other such retirement accounts, pretty hard as well as making it harder for markets to recover after a dip which is bad for everyone.
Corwin (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:20am
Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.1% TRANSACTION TAX ON EVERY MONEY TRANSFER EVERYWHERE EVER
and abolish each, every and all the other taxes forever.
ChrisB (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 7:14am
Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.Wall Street is already taxed. It is called Capital Gains.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 7:30am
Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.Except this wouldn't effect the rich much, but would rather create a barrier of entry with stock purchases for people who don't have the money to pay the tax, so this would likely just help the class divide along.
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:00am
Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.Stock trades are at present entirely untaxed.
But the gains from them are not. What problem are you trying to solve by taxing trades as well as gains? High frequency trading?
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 5:06am
Re: Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.The problem where he feels that anyone with any amount of money is a priori a thief so no matter what you do to them it's ok.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 5:05am
Re: MAJOR tax actually NEEDED is transaction tax on Wall Street.That's baby blue, your class warfare screed was sorely needed here. Please repost it again on the next article that comes up regardless of subject.
Shon Gale (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:16amI live in Oregon and if there is an internet tax our economy will be one of the best in the world. With no sales tax and there will never be (we won't allow it, not like the other sheep) we will have such a rich economy because we will not shop online. I already don't purchase anything I have to pay shipping on. If I have to pay both shipping and or taxes the internet will become too costly to do business with. Montana and Oregon will flourish as a result. And NO we don't want you moving here! We are exactly the right size.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:53am
Re:I already want to move to Oregon, so stop tempting me even more. Why, you might ask? Ron Wyden. Enough said.
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:02am
Re:we will have such a rich economy because we will not shop online.
I'm guessing you live in Portland? Do you think everyone in the smaller towns and rural areas that don't have the same wealth of shopping options will feel the same way that you do?
Oregonian, 26 Mar 2013 @ 12:57pm
Re: Re:"Do you think everyone in the smaller towns and rural areas that don't have the same wealth of shopping options will feel the same way that you do?"
We do. I live in one of those rural towns. Oregonians are united on this.
Anonymous Coward, 28 Mar 2013 @ 5:21am
Re: Re: Re:The plural of anecdote is not data.
Guest, 1 Apr 2013 @ 5:46am
Re: OregonGood on you - and for those of us who simply can't afford to _live_ in your state due to the income tax and regulatory burdens, we'll wish you well.
iambinarymind (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:19am
Obedient Big Box StoresThey argue that online retailers, which in some cases aren't stolen from through force (or threat thereof) at checkout, enjoy an unfair competitive advantage over big box stores that do submit to said theft/coercion. Like a good and obedient slave, instead of speaking out against the immorality of State theft/coercion, the individuals who run the big box stores are advocating for the State to engage in the same theft/coercion against the individuals running online retail business's that the big box stores are subject to.
If the individuals who run the big box stores truly wanted "fair competition", they would speak out against all forms of theft and allow individuals to engage in consensual voluntary exchange.
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:03am
Re: Obedient Big Box StoresYou're right on the same page with John Boehner there, he also thinks taxes are theft.
btr1701 (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 10:34am
Re: Re: Obedient Big Box Stores> You're right on the same page with John
> Boehner there, he also thinks taxes are theft.
The only thing that makes them not theft is that they're legal. However, for all practical purposes there is no difference.
And I'd rather in be in line with that view, than the view of someone like Biden who thinks it's patriotic to want higher taxes.
nasch (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 12:38pm
Re: Re: Re: Obedient Big Box StoresThe only thing that makes them not theft is that they're legal.
In other words, they're not theft, at all. :-)
Valkor (profile), 1 Apr 2013 @ 10:35am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Obedient Big Box StoresThat's the point of using other words.
Abusive monopoly is illegal, but we often call a certain class of abusive monopoly "copyright".
Theft is illegal, but we call a certain class of legalized theft "taxes". The only reason no one is punished is because we authorize them by proxy by re-electing those who impose them on us, thereby consenting.
When that taxation is imposed without representation, people get mad. America isn't too far gone yet, but it's not looking good.
nasch (profile), 1 Apr 2013 @ 11:12am
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Obedient Big Box StoresTheft is illegal, but we call a certain class of legalized theft "taxes".
That's nonsensical. If it's legalized, then it isn't theft, by definition. It's not a special class of theft, it's just not theft.
BreadGod (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:42amAll in all, this goes to show just how much contempt congress has for the internet and the free market. They would rather establish new sources of revenue than do the hard work of cutting wasteful spending.
madasahatter (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:53am
Failure to understandI doubt a national sales tax, which will need to affect all retailers or risk being tossed out as unconstitutional, will affect purchasing decisions. There are several solid reasons to buy online such as selection, user reviews, lower prices, and ease of locating a product from different vendors. Comparison shopping with a browser is much more convenient than going store-to-store. Advantages for a B&M store - easier to verify sizes/fit, immediate delivery from stock, and perishable items can be inspected before purchase. Also, a B&M store could with properly trained staff could justify higher prices by having much better service and support. Sales tax avoidance is not the primary reason for shopping online. Shipping costs and delivery time are probably more important factors.
In one sense online retailers such as Amazon are doing to Wal-mart and others what they did to small chains and local merchants before. I would not be surprised if B&M retailing returns to specialized retailers who focus on what B&M can do better than an online retailer. The problem Big-Box and discounters have that an online vendor can have a much wider selection and significantly lower prices simultaneously than can ever be displayed and stocked in a store.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 8:08amOnline stores take advantage of things like roads and public infrastructure that the brick and mortar stores use. They couldn't be a business without those stuff, that's why they should charge a sales tax.
Andrew D. Todd, 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:16am
Better Than the Present Arrangement.I pay my sales tax. Each year, I go through my checkbook and my bank statements, and the saved Amazon invoices in my e-mail folders, and put together a spreadsheet ledger to compile numbers which I can plug into the appropriate places on my state income tax return, making distinctions between food items and non-food items. That is the single biggest item of paperwork involved in doing my taxes. Item, a used book, at Amazon's minimum price, four dollars, inclusive of shipping, on which twenty-four cents (6%) are owed to the Governor, that kind of thing. The tax due doesn't come to very much money. At this point, the paperwork is much more irksome than the tax. The two most numerous items in the ledger are payments to Amazon, and periodic payments to AT&T for long-distance service. It used to be that the local telephone company collected and remitted one's long-distance charges, but that was too simple.
As I understand it, the bill calls for a standardized federal classification matrix, and an exemption for firms doing less than a million dollars of business. I presume there would be some kind of mechanism to report tax-paid, so that the consumer does not wind up paying the tax twice for the same item. My observation is that the Internal Revenue Service is much more competent than the state tax offices generally. It would probably be harder to get a "fiddle" past the IRS, but if you are honest, it is much less trouble to deal with them. So my thinking is "The More Federal, the Better."
The things I spend a relatively large sum on, eg. fresh salad, cannot be mailed, and have to be gotten locally, specifically across the road, within convenient walking distance. Five or ten dollars of salad, if otherwise packaged, would be fifty or seventy cents worth of canned vegetables. What you are paying for is the mostly local labor of keeping the vegetables fresh enough to eat raw. Once one slices up an onion, that increases the surface area, and various chemical reactions start to happen in the presence of air. So the best salad is prepared by someone wielding a knife before the customer's eyes. There is a general principle that, if something can be shipped, it can be subjected to a cost-reducing process at the place of manufacture, and the tax on it is not likely to be worth arguing about.
The real primary emphasis of the internet will always be people giving information away, not selling it. Each year, there has been a promise that this will be the year of the micropayment, and each year, it turns out that this is not the year of the micropayment after all. Free content is not subject to sales tax. Internet purchases will be largely confined to the narrower sphere of physical things which are readily shippable.
Time to proxy up those Amazon purchases!
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:26am
Can congress do that?From article 1, section 9:
No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:43am
Re: Can congress do that?Can congress do that?
I don't think they really care anymore. When Congress passes a law regulating growing a plant in your backyard and using it yourself, and the Supreme Court says that's OK because that's interstate commerce, they've pretty much given up with sticking to what the Constitution actually allows the federal government to do.
Don, 7 May 2013 @ 3:59am
Re: Can congress do that?Yes, the jerkoffs will just put a line through it.
Our politicians (so much for their oath) want to circumvent the original purpose of the Commerce Clause, which was to guarantee free trade among the states. Instead, the bill would allow states to levy taxes on goods crossing into their state, which is not what our Founding Fathers intended. In the process, they will see how many idiots stand by and watch as they chip another piece of our Constitution away.
Ask yourself, are we worthy of a document that protects us when we don't try to protect it?
Call your Congressman. Stand up and say WTF..
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:51amYay for Bitcoins!
Silver Fang (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 9:52amI'm against sales taxes on the Net. This has come up in the past and has always been defeated. Surely we can defeat it again.
BreadGod (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:18pm
Re:The only good news was that this was attached to a budget that will probably never see the light of day.
N.Olsen (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 10:30am
Short-sighted at best.State & Local governments have thought for years that the internet is somehow made of gold. As an employee of such an organization, it obvious that legislators believe there's an untapped gold mine out on "Them thar Intarwebz".
There's already a means for states/locals to collects sales taxes: The Streamlined Sales Tax Board/Initiative/Whatever, it provides reciprocity to jurisdictions in levying sales taxes provided they align their laws with a common set to make it (slightly) easier on the business.
What they're all missing is that by levying sales taxes on Amazon (for example) they're making it more likely for Amazon to have "nexus" in your state/neighborhood. Which means that Amazon can now set up warehouses nationwide and offer same-day delivery.
Think that might compete with local retailers?
Englebert and his Humpered Dink, 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:13pm
Is there not an argument that....having a sales tax on "non directly purchased" goods would benefit actual physical shops? People complain that their local stores don't have what they want; but many stores had to downsize their product lines because they couldn't compete with the internet on price.
(TBH, I don't know how it is in the US, but a secondary tax credit on purchases bought on the high street would likely improve customers shopping experience, leading to more sales at small businesses. As it is now, Amazon is taking a large proportion of sales and is not paying corporation taxes.)
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 1:39pm
Re: Is there not an argument that....As it is now, Amazon is taking a large proportion of sales and is not paying corporation taxes.
Do you mean to say that Amazon customers generally aren't paying sales tax, or are you claiming Amazon doesn't pay corporate income tax?
Englebert the Immensely Well Endowed In Trouser Sn, 27 Mar 2013 @ 4:02am
Re: Re: Is there not an argument that....Corporate income tax...
Amazon, Google and Starbucks accused of diverting UK profits.
It's the inherent problem of globalisation - companies can pick where they pay tax and where they don't.
Anonymous Coward, 26 Mar 2013 @ 2:12pmI feel like I have been paying sales tax on online purchased items for more than a decade already.
NaBUru38 (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 4:52pmFuel taxes are very high in Western Europe and here in Uruguay, and I agree with that. Instead of charging for internet sales, the American Congress should tackle the energy issue and raise fuel taxes.
nasch (profile), 26 Mar 2013 @ 6:39pm
Re:Instead of charging for internet sales, the American Congress should tackle the energy issue and raise fuel taxes.
Raising fuel taxes is an immensely unpopular thing to do here.
NaBUru38 (profile), 27 Mar 2013 @ 5:54am
Re: Re:I'm sure of that! But I'd prefer that to other taxes.
btr1701 (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 10:39am
Re: Re: Re:> I'm sure of that! But I'd prefer that to
> other taxes.
If you're in Uruguay, what business is it of yours what we tax here in the US and what we don't?
NaBUru38 (profile), 28 Mar 2013 @ 1:59pm
Re: Re: Re: Re:The United States consumes a quarter of the world's energy and produces a tenth of the world's road vehicles. Yes it matters to me.
btr1701 (profile), 29 Mar 2013 @ 4:23pm
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:> The United States consumes a quarter of the world's
> energy and produces a tenth of the world's road
> vehicles. Yes it matters to me.
It's still nunya business. Mind yours. We don't opine on how you should better run your country. Try returning the courtesy.
Nick, 26 Mar 2013 @ 5:33pmIn New Zealand we pay 15% on all sales except this does not apply to offshore online retailers. I am not convinced at all that a sales tax is a good idea as it is a particularly regressive form of taxation and neither do I think that charging online retailers sales tax will solve all problems for brick-and-mortar retailers but if you are going to have a sales tax then I feel it should apply to all sales and not act as competitive advantage to those operating offshore
Rekrul, 26 Mar 2013 @ 11:40pmAre they going to start taxing non-internet orders as well? If I call up a company and place an order over the phone, will I still get taxed? What if the company doesn't have a web site that you can order from?
Why do I get the feeling that even with such a tax, states are still going to be crying that they're bankrupt and businesses are still going to be closing left and right?
Andrew D. Todd, 27 Mar 2013 @ 6:50am
To: Rekrul, #78, Non-Internet PurchasesWell, if you read the bill:
The bill doesn't say anything about how the order is placed, or paid for, only about a seller who is out of state, and does not have locus, but does business on a sufficiently large scale to have lost his amateur status. Also, the out-of-state tax rate has to be the same as the in-state rate, and the state's tax code has to be "harmonized" with the new interstate code, so that an out-of-state seller doesn't have to operate according to a bunch of different rules. Amazon is happy with the bill, and they wouldn't be if there was anything seriously discriminatory.
Realistically, Amazon is becoming the means by which one buys from a small mail-order seller who is not entirely businesslike. At a distance, I cannot determine whether someone like that is trying to cheat me, or is merely un-businesslike. Amazon knows enough to draw lines. As Amazon gets its new robots, it will probably require more sellers to deposit their merchandise in an Amazon warehouse, and will handle the fulfillment in-house. That way, Amazon knows the merchandise actually exists, and knows when or if it has been shipped. EBay is fundamentally flawed because it persistently refuses to take this kind of responsibility. In competition with a Kiva robot, a human is worth about fifty cents an hour. People who are not in a position to spend half a million dollars on a Kiva robot system probably should not be in the business of inventory and fulfillment.
Of course, a state-of-the-art telephone order system has Caller ID, and is tied into telephone directories, etc., so they know your full particulars as soon as they answer the telephone, and they just ask, is this so-and-so, of such and such an address, for confirmation. From there on, it's in the computer.
Paying for things by check, sent by mail, could offer complications, but there is a reasonably workable solution. Back in the 1980's, I sometimes bought stuff mail-order from J.C. Penney, notably bookcases, which were heavy enough that I didn't want to have to get them home by myself. J.C. Penney had a complicated system for computing shipping charges, but I found that if I just sent a check for the price and approximate shipping, plus about ten percent extra, they would work out the correct figure and send me a refund check. If someone who does a million dollars of business or more per year doesn't do refund checks, and takes over-payments as free gifts, then at that point, you have to question his honesty. Reputable mail-order merchants do refunds all the time for items which turn out not to be in stock. Cutting a refund check is an automatic process.
Andrew D. Todd, 28 Mar 2013 @ 6:54am
Re: To: Rekrul, #78, Non-Internet Purchases, Edward R, Hamilton.I should like to add something about the way Edward R, Hamilton, the long established mail-order bookseller, handles refunds. They send you a refund check which is a perfectly valid check-- you can put it in the bank if you like. However, the check also carries a notice to the effect that if you use it as full or part payment on a subsequent order, they will waive the usual $3.50-per-order shipping charge. A desirable customer can always go through a catalog find something else he likes, so in practice, Edward R. Hamilton doesn't have to pay out the refund checks through the bank very often. For some reason, Edward R. Hamilton doesn't like to do credit card transactions-- they are quite pointed about telling you that if you want to use a credit card and buy through the special auxiliary website for credit card transactions, they will have to charge you extra.
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Informacja kulturalna
The park is situated in the heart of the Rías Baixas estuaries, where there are also tourist towns such as Pontevedra, Baiona, Vigo, O Grove, Sanxenxo and Vilagarcía de Arousa. In the Cíes islands you can visit a Pre-Roman settlement. In Islas Atlánticas there are interesting archaeological sites. The oldest ones can be seen in the forts of Cíes and Ons, dating back to the Palaeolithic and Neolithic eras. There are also remains from the Middle Ages, such as the Monastery of San Estevo and a hermitage in the Cíes islands, a human-shaped tomb in Ons, and ruins of a 14th century chapel in Cortegada. And on each one of the four archipelagos there is at least one chapel, altar or church.
Informacja środowiskowa
This land and sea-based ecosystem stands out because the largest colonies of yellow-legged gulls in Spain live here, with 35,000 breeding pairs, and European shags, with more than 1,000 pairs. In the park there is also great biodiversity under the sea. As well as a wide variety of fish, molluscs and crustaceans, there are kelp forests and several species of dolphins. From a botanical point of view, more than 200 types of seaweed and 400 species of land plants have been identified. Another interesting fact is that the island of Cortegada has the largest laurel forest in Europe.
Informacje o zwiedzaniu
The islands in the National Park are only accessible by sea - there is transport for passengers at certain times during the year, with prior authorisation. Several shipping companies offer regular services at Easter, weekends in May and during the summer, to visit the Cíes and Ons islands. The boarding areas for the Cíes islands are in Vigo, Baiona and Cangas de Morrazo. The boarding areas for the island of Ons are in Bueu, Marín, Sanxenxo and Portonovo. There is a campsite and controlled camping area.More information about accessing these places.
You'll find more information about the permits you need at the following links:Visit the Cíes Islands. Camping on the island of Ons.Camping on the Cíes Islands.Anchoring request.Diving request.
Ośrodki dla zwiedzających
Cambón Visitor Centre
Rúa Palma, 4. Casco Vello-Vigo
Vigo (Pontevedra)
Dane kontaktowe
Tel.:: [+34 886218090]
Plan zajęć
- Od Wtorek do Sobota Od 10:00 do 14:00 Od 16:30 do 19:30
- Dni świąteczne i Niedziela Od 11:00 do 14:00
- Dni zamknięcia: Monday
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