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Let me introduce myself. My name is Mark Sisson. I'm 63 years young. I live and work in Malibu, California. In a past life I was a professional marathoner and triathlete. Now my life goal is to help 100 million people get healthy. I started this blog in 2006 to empower people to take full responsibility for their own health and enjoyment of life by investigating, discussing, and critically rethinking everything we've assumed to be true about health and wellness...Tell Me More
Ah, sleep. We all know how much we need it, mostly because when we don't get enough, the world takes on a different, more negative hue. Lights seem brighter and sounds more vivid, and not in a good way. Perpetual fogginess clouds our thoughts, slurs our words, and prevents us from focusing on anything but the coffee pot timer. And then there's the sleep deprivation research corroborating our experiences and explaining in lurid detail just how vital sleep is for our health. I've done my part in bringing this information to you, focusing for the most part on the metabolic health benefits of getting sufficient quality time with everyone's sweet slumbery mistress. I've linked to articles discussing the links between poor sleep and ill liver health, disrupted metabolic function, and cancer. If you're a regular reader of MDA, you're probably aware of all this. Bad sleep can make you fat, sick, and prone to serious degenerative diseases.
That's not the focus of today's post, though. Today is for the people who miss out on sleep to catch an early morning workout, who stay up late reading fitness blogs and trading fitness memes on Reddit, who tell themselves that all that yawning they do in between squat sets is just weakness leaving the body. Did you know that sleep deprivation also hampers our athletic performance? That bad sleep makes us slower, weaker, and less coordinated? That sleep deprivation reduces the effectiveness of our workouts, and sometimes even reverses their beneficial effects? That it can hamper our ability to build lean mass?
Let's look at some of the research.
Lean mass accrual is a common motivation among fitness enthusiasts. Muscle looks good, makes us stronger, tends to accompany other benefits like increased bone density and fat loss, and helps keep us alive longer. There are a few lines of evidence suggesting that sleep loss increases the loss of lean mass and makes it harder to build it in response to exercise.
Simply put, lack of sleep is a potent stressor, which means it increases the catabolic glucocorticoid family of hormones like cortisol and decreases the anabolic triad of testosterone, IGF-1, and growth hormone, effectively accentuating the "degradation pathways" while reducing the "protein synthesis pathways." Few of us are experiencing the total sleep deprivation of 24-36 hours used in some of these studies, but 5-6 hour nights – chronic low-level sleep deprivation, the kind that's endemic nowadays – do add up and exert many of the same effects, as shown in the study on obese humans limited to 5.5 hours a night.
The effect of sleep deprivation on physical performance can't be neatly summed up with a few tidy sentences. Sometimes it impairs performance and sometimes it has no effect at all. It really depends on what you're measuring and what the subjects are actually doing. For endurance work, acute sleep deprivation doesn't impair performance as much as you'd think, whereas for activities that demand greater motor control (like basketball or volleyball) or greater power output, acute sleep deprivation may have more negative effects. Let's look at some of the studies that have been conducted.
Of course, that's just talking about acute sleep deprivation, like going a night or two without sleep. That type of sleep deprivation is easy and inexpensive to study, because you only need the subjects for a day or two, but I'd argue that it isn't very relevant to most people's concerns. What I'm interested in are the effects of chronic sleep deprivation, like getting six hours of sleep every night for a year. Many, perhaps most, people are getting suboptimal sleep on a nightly basis. That's tougher to study, because you need to track subjects for days, weeks, or (ideally) months and years (an expensive undertaking), but I think you can make some educated guesses:
Consider that during slow wave sleep, growth hormone is released to build muscle and repair tissue damage. If you're not sleeping, or your sleep is disrupted, you're going to limit slow wave sleep (which already begins to decrease in duration the older you get) and therefore limit your body's ability to recover from and adapt to your training.
Consider the protein-wasting, lean mass-catabolizing characteristics of sleep deprivation described earlier. A big part of adapting to training and improving performance is the increase in lean mass that usually accompanies exercise. If you're not sleeping, you're limiting your ability to pack on lean mass and increase performance.
Consider the increased cortisol and decreased testosterone associated with bad sleep. A high cortisol:testosterone ratio is strongly linked to "declines in the maximal voluntary neuromuscular performance capacity."
And finally, consider that getting more sleep than normal, or accruing sleep surplus, has repeatedly been shown to increase physical performance:
To get the most out of your workouts, and to be the best you can be, you need more sleep. Aim for ten hours, an unrealistic goal for most, but a worthy one nonetheless.
If you can avoid it, work out at a reasonable time that allows you enough sleep. Skipping sleep to exercise may be counterproductive, or at least less effective than working out at a time that allows sleep. If you absolutely need your daily morning WOD, go to bed early enough to make up for it.
Take naps when and where you can. Sleep adds up, no matter where it comes from.
As training intensity or volume increase, so too must sleep. There isn't an easy formula or anything. Just sleep more.
Eliminate sleep impediments. Follow the usual best sleep practices we've talked about before.
That's all well and good, but not everyone can get perfect sleep all the time. In the event of an unavoidable night of bad sleep, what can you do to ameliorate the negative effects on performance the next day?
We all know how much sleep matters, but we rarely think about its effect on our strength and fitness. Hopefully this post helps you realize the extent of its reach. If you want optimal results, you cannot compromise on sleep, nor can you train your way out of a deficit.
Thanks for reading, folks!
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124 Comments on "How to Get Fitter, Faster and Stronger with Quality Sleep"
Go for a 5 mile hike a few hours before bed? That always works for me.
I have similar issues. Here are some things that can help:
– don't allow yourself to use electronics after a certain time (TV, computer, mobile devices etc. — the kettle is probably okay though!)
– take supplemental magnesium in the evening (Natural Calm brand works well)
– try to look forward to the 'daydreaming' that you do before falling asleep
– take a cool bath
There's no good reason to force sleep on yourself when you aren't inclined to it. The world would have major hell to pay with me if I made myself lay in bed for 7 to 8 hours every night.
Walter, do you spend lots of time on the computer or looking into bright cell phone lighting at night.
There's lots of research showing that looking into backlit LED screens delays the onset of melatonin release, which prevents the natural onset of sleepiness that usually occurs in the evenings.
As a kid I used to never be tired at bedtime, because I was playing video games through midnight.
As an experiment you could try removing backlit LED devices for a week or two, after 8 pm, to see if that helps you pass out quicker.
— Alex
I've had great success with melatonin. I put 3mg (I've used 5 at times) under my tongue 30 minutes before I wish to be asleep. It's worth a try. I get great quality sleep most nights.
Thanks to all who have responded. Lots to consider. Now, time to get ready for bed…
This is brilliant. I just set my 9:30pm alarm. Thank you for the idea!
This is an awesome idea Laura!
Someone else just recently told me about setting a "go to sleep" alarm clock.. will have to try this.
— Alex
I really like your idea, it is easy to get distracted in the evenings and go to bed way too late. I just set my alarm for 10 pm.
So glad to hear someone else does this! My husband makes fun of me every night for my "go to bed" alarm.
Great timing. I was just complaining to my wife about how sleepy I am. I know I have to get to bed earlier. Thanks for another great post, Mark!
It's good to know that occasionally getting woken up by my roommates isn't severly affecting my performance. Now, what years of poor sleeping habbits have done to my health is still up for debate.
I love sleeping, but I just started a new job where I have to wake up at 4 most days. It's hard enough going to bed by 8 (especially with these long days in the PNW), so I can't imagine going to sleep by 6. I take a nap as soon as I get home, but it doesn't seem to be enough. Any other early-morning risers have some tips?
Stop taking naps when you get home! <<<<< My tip 🙂
Instead of naps…try power naps. When I worked early, I would come home after work and set an egg timer for 20 minutes and then I could get through the rest of my day. Plus it didn't interfere with my sleep at night. You would be surprised how much just 20 minutes of quiet can rejuvenate. I have always found that a nap that lasts an hour or longer leaves me feeling groggy.
As the mother of a future high school swimmer, who's child will be required to attend 0500 practice as well as afternoon practice, your article could not be more timely. I have always been concerned about the health impacts of this standard practice. I think it is time to have a conversation with the swim coach and this is a great place to start.
Hey Luke –
Have you noticed a concrete impact from valerian root and melatonin? I've considered using them when I travel.
– Alex
I definately have. In the past I used Melatonin alone and didn't notice much but adding the valerian root it's done wonders. Sleep used to be a huge struggle for me. That being said I did use it more as described above to help develop the routine rather than the one time here and there such as a plane ride. Can't hurt to try though.
Oh and not smashing half boxes of kashi cereal before bed has improved the sleep too 😉
Is there a preferred brand of melatonin? My wife mentioned that some of her co-workers use it. Just wondering if there are good types and bad types for us primal folk. Thanks.
I have been using Puritan Pride's Super Snooze. It combines 5mg. of melatonin with several herbs and is the best natural sleep aid I have ever used. And very affordable.
Note to Mark's helpers, someone needs to fix the URL which is on "sleep is a potent stressor" it should be on "lack of sleep is a potent stressor". The way it is now makes it look, at first glance, like sleep is bad!
I'm glad Mark mentions meditation practice. In addition to lessening of the hours needed for sleep, there are numerous other mental, psychological and spiritual benefits to be gained from a regular meditation practice.
I am just starting to learn more about meditation and its benefits. The reduction on the amount of sleep required due to meditation practice is very interesting and something I will definitely be doing some research on!
Although I guess we shouldn't really substitute good solid sleep with meditation unless absolutely necessary; however, I assume adding a meditation practice to a solid sleep practice would give us superpowers 🙂
Great Post Mark!
Let's see, pregnant + toddler + changing shifts including nights… I'm screwed.
I feel ya Rebekka. Seven month old teething, still nursing in the early morning hours. I haven't slept well since before he was born. My workouts (if any) are either at 4am before I feed him or at 9:30 at night. Screwed as well. Any suggestions from other moms are greatly appreciated
Hey! I have a teething 7 month old too and he has started nursing twice a night from once!
I guess we have to read these posts and stock them for future reference 🙂 sleep will probably never be the same again. But maybe throw in some quick home workouts, mark has plenty on this site, or walk with the baby in the sling. That's what I do, walk and walk and walk 🙂
My oldest baby is 13 and I have no idea when that happened.
Yes absolutely agree. Carrying them around in a sling is really a lovely way to get some movement in plus enjoy spending time. My son loves his walks with his mamma.
Cosleeping. Definitely helped me get more sleep.
I love to sleep, I just can't seem to do it for more than 6 hours to a time, and even that's usually broken by a bathroom call. I usually have no problem falling asleep, even if I go to bed earlier, but then I just wake up earlier. Maybe 2 or 3 times a month do I get 7 hours or more.
Do you feel rested?
Great post Mark.
Personally, I really value sleep. In the last five years I've really started listening to my body, and I've learned that poor sleeping habits were (and still can be) the root cause to a lot of issues for me. I make 7 hours of sleep a priority now, with that, everything changes for the better.
Good article. Since becoming primal at the start of the year, with the prescribed foods, workouts, philosophy, etc., I'm more and more convinced that getting sleep under control is hugely important, and unfortunately the most wiley part of being primal.
same here single mum of a sleepless toddler so totally screwed and too tired to even work out most of the time. iits a one off if i manage to do anything!
Try grounding yourself as you sleep with an electrical grounding device from earthing.com.
They have devices that use the grounded outlet of an electrical receptacle to ground your body and cost under $20.
I started grounding a few months back with a bed sheet from earthing.com, a bit pricey at $149.99 but they work. I have NEVER slept better. Now my 19 year old son who has always had a problem falling asleep, has one, falls asleep almost immediately. He also does not sleep as long and we both feel much more rested.
I'm not familiar with this technique. How long did it take for you to feel the effects of grounding?
Grounding yourself has an instant effect. Improvement in sleep is just one benefit. It's also the best method for protecting yourself from electromagnetic radiation, like that from your computer and other electric devices.
Everyone knows how good it feels to walk on bare earth or wet sand. The pleasurable sensation is attributable to more than just tactile sensation. It feels that good because you're getting grounded.
What can you do about a snoring bedmate that prevents restful sleep? My only solution so far- sleep in another room (not very romantic).
Earplugs! They've been my saving grace when it comes to this problem.
My bedmate is a snorer as well. We found that taking him off grains vastly improved the situation, and the lashing out, and apnea (along with a few kilos around the middle) disappeared. If he is very tired he will snore a bit, but now the 2 bedroom scenario is no longer on the table.
Awesome, Heather! Change is slow to happen but I hope a grain-free (snore-free) scenario is in the future.
I read that the ancient Romans had separate beds for sleep and a bed for coitus. Sounds great to me! There is nothing romantic about real sleep.
This topic always intrigues me. Up until my sophmore year in college I could easily sleep 10+ hours. Something happened and now 5-6 hrs is the norm. When I wake up I am up. My mind is racing with thoughts and I have all kinds of energy. About 2pm I am dragging. If I get a nap, then I feel great otherwise I get through it, but I am not as mentally sharp.
It doesn't matter if I go to bed at 9:30, 12 or 2am….I only sleep 5-6 hours.. This has me a little worried.
There's a circuit that I regularly walk. Recently, because it was fun and why not, along part of it there's a 2′ wall that now I climb onto and walk across. I figure it's good for me to practice balancing, and again, it's fun.
Usually, it's no problem for me to walk along the top of this wall. There was one day, however, when I kept falling off — couldn't balance at all.
It also happened to be the day after only getting 4 hours of sleep.
Coincidence? Probably. But it's something I'm going to watch for in the future.
Bikram yoga has helped the quality of my sleep more than anything. The health benefits I receive from Bikram yoga are amazing. I highly recommend it.
I never had any trouble sleeping 8 or 9 hours a night until after menopause. Now I feel that I haven't slept well in years. I am lucky to get 4 hours unless I take a pill. I follow all the recommended sleep hygiene advice and exercise. One thing I don't do (that used to work)–have a bowl of cereal before bed. That would make me sleep pretty well No cereal now.
I wonder if it was the cereal or the milk that made you sleep well? Maybe try having a glass of milk (if you do dairy) before bed to see if that helps. =)
Hi! I had the same problem when I hit perimenopause last year. My naturopath put me on kavinace. It's b-6 and amino acids. I also added melatonin. Melatonin will put you to sleep and kavinace will keep you asleep. I use 3mg melatonin and 3 kavinace. I am 6′ tall and weigh about 200 pounds. I hope that helps!
Timely post… I need lots of sleep but usually have to settle for 7 hours a night during the week… on weekends, I get 8 or 9 and then have a 1.5 – 2 hour nap in the afternoon. Less than that and my performance suffers in every area.
Sleep is one of those things that you don't really realize how much it affects you until you are not getting enough. In my situation this is mainly due to a 5 month old grockling. He sleeps better at this age then his brother, now 2 yrs 5 months, but still this means up once or twice during the night coupled with the time it takes to get him back down after my wife nurses him.
Any advice on dealing with that kind of sleepus interruptis?
Cosleeping worked great for me. I didn't even have to get up. Just whipped out a boob and fell back asleep while babe suckled.
This is exactly what I was going to say. You're absolutely right about the lingering and cumulative effects of caffeine–and it is a vicious cycle; i.e., you don't sleep so you load up on caffeine to make it through the day, then you don't sleep and you load up on caffeine again, etc., etc.
Every try a spoonful of raw honey before bed, perhaps mixed with some herbal tea? Works for me.
I didn't get the body media to track sleep but it does. I got it because I thought I had to be over estimating how active I was based on only losing a pound about every 9 weeks. It just confirmed what I already knew about the sleep stuff. I consistently log 15,000 to 18,000 steps and burn over 2900+ calories per day. I lift 3 x a week. I really think the no sleep issue is the key. The only week I had a good loss I had a cold and took Nyquil nightly and slept like a bear.
I am going to try it. I know you are right about the over tired thing. I was very tired about 7pm last night but couldn't hit the hay until 9:30. I was wired by that time and ended up reading a very boring book. That didnt work.
I've never really had any issues falling asleep or staying asleep, except for the occasional night when I drink too much water. However, I recently read Mark's post on proper sleep posture and even though I've never had any issues I could tell a pretty immediate improvement on the quality of sleep I was getting. On a side note because everyone is giving it, I normally get 7-9 hours of sleep depending on how much and how hard I'm training.
I've said this on here before, but you should really do a post about Sleep Apnea. Im a technician at a sleep disorder center, so I see every possible problem a person could have with their sleep on a daily basis.
If you have Obstructive Sleep Apnea then it doesn't matter how good your sleep hygene, what supplements you take, or how many hours you lie in bed. If you snore or stop breathing at night you need to be on CPAP therapy as soon as possible.
I'm a new nurse working night shifts and wondering if anyone has suggestions for dealing with that type of schedule. Anyone else out there find a schedule of awake/sleep that works for them?
Oh no! Super article but just not what I need right now. My 7 month old has started waking more frequently off late and reading about how sleep disruption is making me slower and weaker is not helping!
I can see it though because I stress about how my less than ideal sleep is taking a huge toll on my physical health. It's taking a toll on my metabolism too. Though I'm eating primal again, my fitness levels are just not what they used to be.
Oh sleep! I miss you.
sleep deprived parents: I've been there, and those years seem like a blur. there really isn't much to do but wait it out, since they DO grow up! my oldest is now married, so the cycle begins again!
If co-sleeping is an option, it works. A few blurry days here and there, but chronic sleep deprivation during the infant years (including for the infant) hasn't happened to date in this household.
You don't always have to "wait it out". 🙂
Of course, a post about sleep the day after I'm up till 3 am writing my seminar paper!
Good thing that's not a chronic habit. =)
Oh no! Super article but just not what I need right now. My 7 month old has started waking more frequently off late and reading about how sleep disruption is making me slower and weaker is not helping!
I can see it though because I stress about how my less than ideal sleep is taking a huge toll on my physical health. It's taking a toll on my metabolism too. Though I'm eating primal again, my fitness levels are just not what they used to be.
Oh sleep! I miss you.
It might be hard, but try not to stress about losing the sleep. Making yourself stress over it is only making it worse than just the sleep loss alone. If you can, sleep when baby sleeps, and know it won't be like this forever. In the meantime, make use of that meditation idea Mark had. This can help you accept your current sleep situation so you're not stressing out over it even more. Remember, it's temporary. Good luck!
Thanks 🙂
Yes I know it's temporary and honestly it's not that bad. I just need to learn how to let it be rather than worrying about not sleeping coz that's what keeps me up more than the baby !
Will try the meditation!
In the context of following a primal fitness plan(walking lifting sprinting), never being overweight ,or having a serious health issue , I've found a little extra cardio 20- 45 mins on a stationary bike per day either in the mourning or around 6pm has improved my sleep the last two weeks I've been doing it.
45mins on friday mournings and 20 – 30 min the rest of the week on the lowest or second lowest setting.
My wife and I are fond of the SNAP (Sex and a Nap). ;~)
I can remember a time when a freight train couldn't wake me, now I'm lucky when I can sleep 3 or 4 hours straight through. My sleep has been reduced to a series of longish naps. I love that oh so rare night when I sleep undisturbed the entire night. Part of the growing older process I guess.
"Sleep adds up, no matter where it comes from."
This is incorrect. Though we don't yet know why, we have figured out that REM sleep (the deepest sleep) is crucial. As we sleep we cycle in and out of REM sleep and, the longer we stay asleep, the longer that REM cycle gets. A two-hour nap after six hours of sleep will therefore not get you the same benefits as the last two hours of eight straight hours of sleep.
Maybe, maybe not. I was on a website of a guy who had really experimented with his sleep cycles – he tried just 4 hours – then fitting in 2 hour naps throughout the night and day.
It turns out that we can train ourselves to slip into REM almost right away. That experience was of course, not definitive for all humanity but it suggest this sleep thing is surprisingly flexible.
I have Narcolepsy and slip into REM sleep within 60 seconds of falling asleep everytime. REM sleep is only restorative if you ease into it via the other stages of the sleep cycle. You can't just dive into it. This is the reason why I have Narcolepsy and why I never feel like I have slept.
Even after a long day of scaling the climbing wall, I can't be tired enough for ten hours of sleep! How does one get a full 10 hours?
From Mark's post about tea, I've done some self-experimenting. Valerian root does indeed work well for me, as does lemon balm.
Another super effective thing is lavender oil. I sprinkle it on my pillows and it works like a charm for deep sleep.
P.S. A must-read for parents: "Healthy Sleep Habits, Healthy Child" by Marc S. Weisbluth, M.D. It's all about how to get babies and kids to sleep well. Much of the info is counterintuitive but super effective. When they sleep better, so do you.
So cats have had it figured out all along.
This is awesome!! I hope your clients love you and pay you well!! Trainers so often don't get this concept. 🙂
I really like most of Mark's stuff, but have to disagree here. Longer rest may improve athletic performance to some degree, but that could be due to greater amounts of REST as opposed to more SLEEP.
I have read many scientifically supported claims that sleeping beyond 7-8 hours a night is a large factor in chronic disease later in life. Oversleeping is attributed to greater levels of obesity etc. If adequate measures are taken during the day, 5-6 hours can be totally adequate, but 7 is generally ideal.
This is really great! I'm glad you could find something. 🙂
creatine? Really? Paleo poser is suggesting short-term fixes and products?
Hooray for sleep!
I love the fact that you included studies on athletes since that is who we look to for performance measures. Those were dramatic increases. I also love the fact that you say sleep 'adds up'. I am working on becoming a napper, but it is harder said than done.
The thing I notice MOST when I do not sleep enough is my craving for carbs. If I get any less than 5-6 hours (usually I sleep 8) the night before I consciously have to beat down my carbohydrate craving all day long.
Thanks Mark for all the great content!
Timely article. I just returned from 2 weeks in Korea and my sleep schedule is way off. I already have chronic insomnia, so this doesn't help. I have now gone 4 days with approximately 4 – 5 hours each day. At least for tonight, I don't think I have much choice but to take a sleeping pill. I don't think I would be able to function very well with one more night like the last four.
So much info, thanks! I work shift work with day-night-night pattens (7am-7pm then 2x 7pm-7am shifts) so getting enough sleep is so important for me. But it's tough!!
Before taking exercise I had great difficulty in getting a good nights sleep. I sleep much better now after my daily workouts.
I think the majority of people take sleep for granted, they don't realise how vital it is to their long term physical and emotional health. Hopefully this article will help people realise more of its importance
As a parent you really appreciate sleep as you don't get much of it. Thankfully my kids have now reached an age were they are more settled.
I try to get 8 hours sleep most nights.
However , this is not a pure 100% sleep as I wake up maybe x2 to go bathroom.
Is this a sign for anything?
Also in the last 3 months I have purchased a sunrise alarm it's fantastic , gradually wakes u up with light !!!
I definitely agree that sleep is a vital part of the recovery process. If I've had a late night out on a Friday, my track sessions the next morning usually suffer.
Bit disappointed to see that college football players study doesn't seem to mention any control group. I'd kind of expect them the improve anyway over 2 months of training anyway. Just playing devil's advocate…


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Their Special Bond
Malcolm Lloyd married divorcee, Connie McNamara, when her son, Carter, was two years old. They divorced when Carter was just a few days shy of fifteen. Carter's natural father was never in the picture, and the boy never knew him. Malcolm could not have loved Carter more if he was his own son. On his part, Carter always thought of Malcolm as his father. The two of them were as close as any father and son could be. Unfortunately, Malcolm had never formally adopted Carter, and as much as Carter would have preferred to live with his father after the divorce, he was forced by law to live with his mother. Malcolm didn't even have official visitation rights, but Connie let Carter sleep over at Malcolm's as often as their schedules allowed.
The divorce was inevitable. Malcolm and Connie were always cheating on each other. She was constantly running off to be with some man or other, and Malcolm was doing the same. That is to say, he was constantly running off to be with some man or other. There was a hunger in him, an urge that he could not resist. He fought the urge all his life, but when he and Connie decided to divorce, he determined to come out of the closet.
Even though he had no obligation to do so, Malcolm continued to support Carter, paying child support, in addition to alimony. He was happy to do it. The one person in the world he loved beyond all others, was his son, Carter. It was not a financial burden for him. He owned three upscale boutique shops. One was downtown, and the other two were in suburban fashion malls.
One Friday, shortly after lunch, Malcolm was in his office at his downtown store. He was so absorbed in his work, that when his phone rang shrilly, he almost jumped out of his seat.
"Malcolm Lloyd, here," he said, identifying himself.
"Mr. Lloyd, this is Dr. Fuller. I'm the principal of your son's prep school."
Malcolm panicked. "Is something wrong? Did something happen to Carter?" he yelled into the phone.
"I'm afraid that there has been an incident. It's a very delicate matter, best not discussed on the phone. Could you come to the school and meet with me in my office?"
"Yes. I'll be right there, but tell me, is Carter all right? Is he injured in any way?"
"I assure you he's fine, but please come here as soon as possible."
"Graduation is just a few week away. This isn't something which would jeopardize his graduation, is it."
"I assure you. It won't"
When he hung up the phone, Malcolm wondered why Dr. Fuller referred to Carter as his son when they had different surnames. Then he remembered that when he started high school, Carter had to fill out a form letting the authorities know who should be notified in case of an emergency. Malcolm had helped him answer all the silly questions. They completely ignored Connie, and listed Malcolm as his father, and noted his office telephone number. Neither thought that they were doing anything wrong at the time.
When Malcolm was led into Fuller's office by his secretary, he was surprised to see Carter and another boy sitting on a sofa at the side of the room. Carter was facing down, afraid to look his father in his eyes. There were two chairs facing Fuller's desk. Another man, about Malcolm's age, was sitting in one, and the principal motioned Malcolm to sit in the other.
Dr. Fuller stood up and walked over to his office door. He locked it, and Malcolm expected to hear the worst report ever about Carter, and maybe the other boy as well. He braced himself for what was to happen. Fuller sat down behind his desk again, hesitated, and then began to speak.
"Mr. Lloyd, I'd like you to meet Mr. George Hines, and his son, Tyler, who is sitting next to your son." Malcolm shook George's hand and nodded at Tyler.
"There's no easy way to tell you men this, so I'll dive right in. Shortly after the bell rang this morning for the first class, our janitor went into one of the boy's rooms to clean it. He found Carter and Tyler in one of the stalls having sex."
Malcom did not have a clue that Carter was gay. His gaydar had completely failed him. He was delighted to hear the news, but he acted shocked and appalled for Dr. Fuller's sake. He wondered what George was thinking, and he was glad that Mrs. Hines and Connie were not there. It would give the men a chance to prepare them properly.
"There is nothing in the rule book to cover a situation like this," Fuller continued, "and I don't think it's a matter for the school to handle anyway. So I am suspending the boys for the day. I want them to go home with you men. I think you'll have a lot to talk about. Mr. Lloyd, Mr. Hines, you might consider speaking to your sons as a group, instead of separately. I have a meeting with the superintendent, and I must leave now. You are free to use my office if you'd like." He grabbed a brief case, and left the office.
At first there was deadly silence. The four of them stared at each other. Their eyes went from face to face, studying each other, trying to determine what each one was thinking. It was George who spoke first.
Mr. Lloyd," he started.
"Malcolm, please."
"Malcolm, I have to explain something to you. I'm afraid this is all my fault."
"What do you mean? How can it be your fault, or my fault, for that matter? Our sons are obviously gay, and that is our only concern. If they had been honest with us, they wouldn't need to be having sex in a public facility."
"Do you mean you would have provided them with privacy?" George asked.
"I don't know. I guess that's what I mean, but why do you think it's your fault, George?"
"I'm gay. About two years ago, my partner and I received a call from a friend, who is a social worker. He asked if we would like to be foster parents to a fifteen year old gay boy, whose parents had disowned him. We were happy to do it. The three of us were always open and candid about our sexuality. My partner and I split shortly after Tyler came to live with us, and Tyler remained with me. I'm afraid that I never made it clear to him that certain things men do together are best done in private. I never taught him about propriety"
Tyler interrupted. "I'm not stupid George. Of course, we do 'it' in private, but..." His voice trailed off. "Shall I tell them Carter, or will you?"
"Let me tell them," Carter said. "Your foster father knows you're gay, but I'm afraid this is a great shock to my father, so let me try to explain."
Carter looked at Malcolm, and this time their eyes met and nobody turned away. "Tyler transferred in," he began, "at the beginning of our sophomore year. We had a couple of classes together, and somehow our eyes met that very first day, and we knew that we were both gay. We maneuvered to sit together in our classes, and we became really good friends.
"One day Mom told me that she was going away for the weekend, and I could stay with you, Dad, if I wanted to. I did want; I really did. I wanted to come out to you, but I wanted to make love to Tyler more, so I asked him to hang out with me that Saturday. He was glad to accept my invitation, and by Saturday afternoon neither of us was a virgin anymore. Are you very disappointed, Dad?"
"Of course, not, Carter. You never disappoint me." He took Carter into his arms and hugged him tight. Malcolm could see George and Tyler smiling at them.
"But why do it in a boy's room, in a public school? It doesn't make sense," George interjected.
I guess I didn't make it clear," Carter explained. "Maybe Tyler and I are too young to call our relationship a love relationship, but for sure, we care for each other. This morning, before the first class, we were peeing side by side, and we looked at each other with such longing, that I was filled with desire. We waited until we were the only ones left in the room. Then we went into a stall, and I went down on Tyler. We never figured on the janitor coming in. We just figured we'd miss the first period."
"As long as this is turning into a confession session, I have one of my own" Malcolm sighed. "I'm only making this confession because you're gay George, otherwise I wouldn't do it, so here goes. I'm gay also."
"What," Carter blurted out.
"Yeah, son. That's one of the reasons your mom and I split. We both prefer men. Now it's my turn to ask you if you're disappointed in me." Carter jumped up and kissed his father on his lips.
"Does that answer your question?" Carter asked.
"This is all very well," George said, "but what happens next?"
"Well for one thing, we aren't going to tell Fuller that this didn't turn out to be the trauma, he expected it to be. Then I think we should all have lunch together. What do you do George? I don't have to go back to work if I don't want to. What about you?"
George started to laugh. "I teach math right here in this school. When Fuller called me into his office, he told me that he had arranged for a sub to teach my classes today, so I'm as free as the three of you."
"Well, I'm glad you have to face Fuller in the future, and not me," Malcolm said.
"Oh don't worry about that. Dr. Fuller has twin sons, who are both gay. He won't have much to say to me. Besides, he knows I'm gay, and how I came to be a foster father to Tyler. He's very supportive."
Suddenly Carter spoke up. "Mr. Hines, Tyler," he said. "Could we take a rain check on lunch? I'd really like to have lunch alone with my father, and spend the afternoon with him. This has been a momentous day for me, and I would like some alone time with him."
"Sure," George said. "We understand."
"Will you call me tonight?" Tyler asked, sounding concerned.
Carter kissed Tyler. "Of course, I will." Both fathers smiled at each other as they went their separate ways.
Carter and Malcolm got into Malcolm's car. "I'll make us lunch at home," Malcolm said. "That way we can talk. I want to know when you first realized you were gay, but most of all I want to know why you didn't trust me enough to tell me."
"Fine," Carter said. "I'll spill the beans, but I want to know when you first knew also."
"Deal," Malcolm said, and the two men fist punched each other.
Malcolm made them mac and cheese from a package. They had remained silent during the car ride home, and didn't have much to say until they sat down to eat their lunch.
"Talk to me," Carter demanded.
"What can I say? I knew I was gay from a very early age, but I couldn't accept it. I forced myself to have relations with women. None of them ever really turned me on, but your mother, well hell, she was different. She did things to me that put her into some sort of professional classification. Sex with her, was exciting. You don't mind my being so candid about your mother, do you Carter."
"Of course not. I asked for details, didn't I?"
"Well, no matter what we did together, I was never enough for her. I looked the other way when she went out with other men. She knew I knew, and she was willing to accept our status quo, except I got dissatisfied. When she was out with other men, I left you with baby sitters, and I started to go to gay bars. I scored very well," Malcolm smiled at Carter.
"Of course you did. You're a hunk, Dad."
"Anyway, we reached a point where both our love lives were 100% outside of our marriage, and we split up."
"I wish I had known, Dad."
"What good would it have done? You couldn't have saved the marriage."
"But if I told Mom I was gay, maybe she would have let me live with you instead of her."
"Fat chance," Malcolm sniggered. "She would have accused me of making you gay. And what's with this shit anyway. How could I not have known?"
"I guess I'm as good an actor as you are. I didn't know about you, and you didn't know about me. Besides you are the last one I would have told."
"I would have hoped that we were close enough that I would have been the first to know, not the last. Why do you feel like that?"
"Because I have been in love with you since I was a little boy. I said, been in love with you, not loved you, like a son loves a father. I have desired you for as long as I can remember. You said my mother did things to you, and she excited you. I would love the chance to do things to you that would excite you also, maybe even more. I'm so hot for you, I sometimes have trouble breathing when you're around. When I was little, I used to hide in your bedroom closet, and try to see you naked. I only stopped doing it when I became afraid that you would catch me being a Peeping Tom."
Malcolm was left speechless. His jaw was hanging open, and his lips were slightly parted. Carter grabbed him and started to kiss him. He forced his tongue into Malcolm's slightly open mouth.
Malcolm pushed away. "This is so wrong," he whimpered.
"The only thing that's wrong is that I won't be eighteen for two more weeks. You are neither my natural father nor my adoptive father, so no crime is being committed. If you are going to be crazy about this, I'm willing to wait until my birthday, but I want you so badly. I love you so much. Don't try to deny it. I know you feel the same way. We have a special bond, you and I."
"What about Tyler?"
"I told you, we care for each other, but I don't love him like I love you."
"This is too quick, too sudden. I need time to think about all this, so I suggest we do wait until you are eighteen for a lot of reasons. First off, it will give us time to simmer down, and consider the consequences of such a union, and secondly, if your mother ever found out we had sex before your eighteenth birthday, I have no doubt she would have me thrown in jail, and accuse me of raping you."
"Okay, we'll do it your way. But I promise you, that two weeks from today, I may very well be the one who rapes you." Carter approached Malcolm as if to kiss him, but Malcolm pushed him away.
"No more kissing," he said. "I'm only human. In the meantime, I would guess that George and I wouldn't mind at all, helping you and Tyler have as much sex as you guys can handle. Call your mom and tell her that you are spending the weekend with me."
Connie didn't answer her phone so Carter left a message. The two men were cleaning up their lunch when Carter's cell phone rang. It was Tyler.
"Hey buddy," Tyler said. George would like to speak to your father."
"Sure. Just a sec." Carter handed Malcolm the phone.
"Hi George, what's cookin'?"
"Malc, (Nobody had called Malcolm, Malc, since he was a teeny bopper. He liked the sound of it. It conveyed a touch of intimacy.) I was thinking, if you're available, how about the four of us having dinner tonight. Then after dinner, I can take you home with me, and Carter can take Tyler home with him. That'll give the boys the opportunity to be alone together without all the constraints they imposed on themselves until today. Then, as for us, let's see what happens when we are alone together."
"It's a great idea, and I am available. Where would you like to meet?"
"How about The Cave, downtown? Do you know it?"
"I know it well. It's a gay bar and restaurant. I've been there a lot. Is 6 PM good for you?"
"Perfect. I'll make the reservations. See you there."
"George! I'm looking forward to it," Malcolm said before he hung up. He turned to Carter.
"You heard?" he asked.
"Yes, I did. Tyler and I have the best dad's in the world. Thanks."
The bar at The Cave was always noisy and crowded. The restaurant was in a separate area, and although it was very busy, it was much quieter, and patrons could slow dance to soft dinner music. After their appetizer, while waiting for their entrees, Tyler asked Carter to dance. When they left the table, George shyly asked Malcolm if he would like to dance also. Malcolm smiled and the two men went on the dance floor.
George was determined to be more aggressive than Malcolm. He was hot for the man. As they started to dance, he pulled Malcolm close to him, and his erection pounded against Malcom's flaccid cock, and it started to rise as well.
They began to dry hump on the dance floor, and Malcolm whispered in George's ear, "Do you realize that we are both on the rebound? This may not be such a good idea."
"That's odd," George responded, "I think it's a great idea."
"Maybe you're right. Why not? Your place or mine."
"Like I said on the phone, we can send the boys to your place, and you can come home with me. What do you think?"
"I think it's a plan."
When the four of them were comfortably seated back at their table, George told the boys what Malcolm and he had in mind. Tyler could not have been more pleased, but Carter was racked with jealousy. He determined to reverse this configuration two weeks from now, when he would finally be of legal age.
Malcolm was familiar with the look on Carter's face. "Is anything wrong?" he asked the boy.
"Not at all," Carter lied with a smile. He took Tyler's hand. "Thanks for giving us the gift of a private weekend together. Subconsciously, he hoped to make his father the jealous one. Actually, Malcolm did feel just a tiny tinge of jealousy, but he didn't admit to the emotion. His thoughts were simple enough. He was going to get laid tonight by a mature, experienced cocksucker.
Carter and Tyler left the restaurant in Malcolm's car and George drove Malcolm to his home. When the sons entered the house they began to strip in the hallway on their way to the bedroom. On the other hand, the fathers were in no hurry. They had all night, after all. George made them both an after dinner drink. They sat close to each other on the sofa, and chatted, getting to know each other and all about themselves. Finally, Malcolm put his drink down on the coffee table, and reached in for a kiss. It was a quick peck on the lips. George put his drink down, and when he leaned in for another kiss, his lips were parted.
Passion set in. They began to kiss ferociously. Their tongues dueled. They began to grope for each other's packages.
"Oh God," George murmured. He stood up, grabbed Malcolm's hand and literally dragged him to the bedroom. Once there, they stripped rapidly and fell on George's bed. They continued kissing and groping until George turned around into a sixty-nine position, and the two men began to suck each other's cocks. They were slow in their efforts, languishing with every stroke of their tongues, giving each other unimaginable pleasure, until almost simultaneously they emptied into their mouths. Only then did George turn around again, and resume kissing Malcolm. They could taste each other's cum, and they both sighed. They wrapped up in each other's arms and fell fast asleep.
Malcolm awoke and headed for the bathroom. He glanced at his watch while he was peeing, and was surprised that it was only 1 AM. "Plenty of time for us to fuck each other," he thought. He smiled at his desires, and started back to bed, when a disquieting thought occurred to him. It wasn't George he desired to fuck, it was his son. They had agree to wait, and only two short weeks remained until Carter's eighteenth birthday.
It was supposed to be a cooling down period, but he wasn't cooling down. He was getting hotter and hotter to make love to his 'son', but he had to be patient. He lay down next to George, but left plenty of space between them. George slept through the night, and when he awakened, Malcolm was glad that he did not seem to want more sex for the moment. Instead, they showered separately, and while Malcolm was in the shower George made breakfast.
Their sons were expecting to spend the weekend together, so there was no need to hurry anywhere. The men decided to go to a nude beach they both knew about, and just chill out, before spending another night in passionate love making. Even so, Malcolm could not wait for the weekend to be over. He had made up his mind not to wait the two weeks for Carter's birthday. He wanted him, and he wanted him now. He knew for certain that Carter felt the same way.
Neither Malcolm nor George was shy about disrobing at the nude beach. They both worked out, and had buff bodies. They were also quite well hung. Malcolm was cut and about four and a half inches flaccid. George was not cut, and about five inches flaccid. Hanging out naked at the beach, turned them both on. The appreciative stares they received from other men, further fueled their libidos. They agreed to cut short their outing, do a matinee at home, and then have a nice dinner out.
George was happy to be alone with Malcolm, but Malcolm was yearning more and more for Carter. Half way home, he suggested to Carter, that it would be nice if they called their sons, and invited them to have dinner with them. George reluctantly agreed.
When they got home, they ran immediately to the shower to make sure they rid themselves of all the sand they had acquired at the beach, and which had found a home in hard to get to places on their bodies. In the shower, they sucked each other alternately, and fucked themselves using soap as a lubricant. They refrained from cumming, preferring to get themselves off slowly, and sensuously, in bed.
Languishing in bed afterwards, Malcolm called Carter and asked if he and Tyler wanted to join them at a great steak house that they all been to at one time or another.
"I'll ask Tyler," Carter said. "Hold on a sec."
Like George, Tyler wasn't happy, but he couldn't say no, and Carter was delighted. After the boys accepted, Malcolm said, "I hope you'll understand, George. I'd like to go home with Carter after dinner. Since my divorce I see precious little of him, and I miss him so much. I'd like to spend all day tomorrow with him, before he has to go back to his mother."
"Well, I understand, and I am disappointed, but I hope we'll get together again, and soon."
"Of course we will." Malcolm wasn't sure if he meant it. If things went well, he intended on being with Carter every time he made love. "You're too good a lover to leave by the wayside," he added. He wasn't lying about that.
Carter was on edge all during dinner. He did not expect any loving from Malcolm for nearly two more weeks, but the sexual tension between them was escalating by the minute. Neither Tyler nor George were aware of it. Tyler kept looking at Carter with love, and his foster father was doing the same to Malcolm.
While they were enjoying dessert, Tyler suddenly started to cry. "What's wrong?" Carter asked.
"Nothing's wrong. I'm crying because I'm happy. I just have some great news. I'm turning eighteen next month, and I'll be out of the foster care system, but George has told me that he wants me to continue living with him, and he wants to fund my college education. I've been accepted to State."
"That's wonderful," Malcolm and Carter yelled at once.
"Shit," Carter said. "I wish I had known. We're going to different universities."
In his heart, Malcolm was elated. If Carter and Tyler cooled it, he could expect more of Carter's time and attention. He chastised himself for his thoughts, but he couldn't help what he was thinking,
Carter had different thoughts. In a couple of months he'd be separated from his fuck buddy, sure, but he would also be separated from the love of his life, Malcolm. He determined to make the most of the time left to them. Knowing that Malcolm had requested to go home with him after dinner, was his first positive step toward achieving that goal. He gave Tyler a hug as he and Malcolm were leaving. "See ya in school on Monday", he said.
Malcolm drove them home. Carter got bold. He laid his hand on Malcolm's thigh. He was elated that his father did not resist or tell him to stop. So he crept higher and higher. Malcolm spread his legs slightly to give Carter better access. Finally he sighed, and said, "Carter I don't want to wait. I want you badly. I want you tonight. Your mother must never know."
"Of course not. I want you just as much, that's why I'm so happy to go home with you tonight instead of Tyler." The palm of his hand now lay fully on his father's package, and he was rubbing it lightly.
"Wait until we get home," Malcolm whispered. Carter did not remove his hand, but he stopped rubbing. As soon as they were inside Malcolm's apartment, they started stripping in the front hall.
"Let's shower together," Malcom whispered, but it came out sounding more like a growl. Little did they know that they would be in the shower for over two hours. The water grew tepid, and then cold, but they continued to let the showerhead rain on them, as they made passionate love.
At first all they could do was press against each other, and kiss passionately. Their cocks were dry humping and Carter felt an orgasm beginning. He pulled away and fell to his knees. He began to whimper. "Please," he mewled, "turn around. Malcolm turned toward the wall, put his hands on the tile and jutted his butt out. Immediately Carter pulled Malcolm's ass cheeks apart and began to rim his father.
"Oh Gawd," the older man screamed. "This is killing me. Don't stop, please don't stop." Carter kept on licking his father's ass hole. He didn't want the pleasure to end either.
"I'm going to cum," Malcolm yelled. He turned around quickly and Carter took his throbbing manhood into his mouth. A few deft strokes of his tongue on the underside of Malcolm's rod, and Malcolm came spurting into his son's mouth. Carter swallowed everything. Both men were purring in utter delight. All the while he was rimming and sucking his father, Carter was stroking his own cock. He started to cum, and he stood up quickly. He shot his young, creamy, plentiful cum all over Malcolm's torso. Malcolm was busy rubbing the semen into his chest.
Carter turned off the water, and Malcolm asked, "Why did you do that? I wanted to wash your cum off me."
"I have a better idea." Carter took his now flaccid cock and aimed it at Malcolm. He began to pee jet like spurts, and bathed his father's chest clean.
"Yes," Malcolm screamed. "Give me a golden shower. I never expected this. It is so hot. Why did we ever wait so long? Do you know how much I fuckin' love you?" He grabbed Carter around the waist, and pulled him against his piss soaked body. Carter melted into him and started to cry.
"Thank you for making all my dreams come true," he sobbed.
"And mine."
Malcolm turned the water back on. It was now slightly tepid, and they cleaned the evidence of sex off their bodies. Neither wanted anything more than to go to bed wrapped up in each other's arms.
Carter was lying comfortably in Malcolm's arms, when Malcolm said something which surprised him. "It should come as no surprise to you, Son, that I am not a fan of monogamy. I intend to continue seeing George, and some other fuck buddies. Until you go off to college, I want you to see Tyler as much as you can. That having been said, I want you to know that you are the only one I love. I'll be here for you until the day I die. After you graduate college, I'd love for us to live together, but you must promise never to get jealous if I bring someone home. We might even share. A father, son combo is pretty hot for anyone. If you want to have a relationship with me, those are my terms."
"I'd endure torture for a relationship with you. I happily accept your terms, but I have one question."
"Will you fuck me in the morning? I feel cheated right now." Malcolm started to laugh so hard, that he had trouble falling asleep. He kept giggling. When he did fall asleep, he fell asleep happier and more content than he had ever been in his life.

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Hi, I find a need to group by location , which in our environment means by IP. Our environment is heavily subneted so we have many blocks of 32 or 64 addresses. It is very hard to create a rule (or at least it seems that way to me) that accurately reflects location.
location A
- 10.0.1.128/27
- 10.0.2.0/27
- 10.0.3.0/24
location b
- 10.0.1.0/27
- 10.0.2.128/27
- 10.0.4.0/24
I have tried using equals with a subnet mask , I have tried using a range, it doesn't seem to understand either.
I could possibly make it work if I could use AND OR statements but the AND OR applies to the whole ruleset and not specific rules
[i.e cant use {A OR (B AND C)} ]
I could make it work as is if I could include groups in groups.
(i.e. make a group for each range[greater than this AND less than that], then a group that is "if in group range1 OR group range2 OR group range3" but that can get ugly and I dont really want to see group range1 range2 and range3 (maybe if I can hide groups...)
Does anyone else see this as a limitation?
Does anyone have a way of making this work?
Feb 12, 2009 at 9:58 UTC
Yes this is a bug and has been reported to the developer. Sorry for the inconvenience. Is there another way you can group these devices? Maybe by a custom attribute? If not, you can create a group without a rule on it and copy the devices you want into the group.
This topic was created during version 3.2.
The latest version is 7.5.00101.
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Jan 23, 2009 at 1:42 UTC
I looked at the groups you are trying to create and have some suggestions. You can create a group without rules. When creating the group, don't check the match checkbox and save the group. Then go to the Devices group and select Edit/Add to group which is found in the toolbar. You will then get a pop-up with all your devices listed with checkmarks. You will see an Add to Group select list on this form. Check off the devices you want in a group and then select the group for them to be added to.
Another option is to use the Location custom attribute. You can set a default value for this or leave it blank. You would then have to go to each device and set this value. You could then filter your groups by Location.
Hope this helps and I will be submitting a defect on the ip address not filtering properly for certain conditions. I will also include the notation you are using to specify your ip addresses and suggest that more ranges/options be supported at the group level.
Let me know if you need further assistance.
Jan 23, 2009 at 1:58 UTC
That doesn't really solve the problem.More than 50% of what I'm trying to track is laptops. Laptops move from location to location, as they move they get new IP addresses. Theres no way I could keep up with individual user migrations. It really needs to be a dynamic group. Any way to create a rule based on the scan range? i.e. if its in this scan range put it in this group.
Jan 23, 2009 at 2:14 UTC
There is the support for 'ip address contains 10.0.4' which will pull all the devices in your 10.0.4.0/24 range. The problem you will have is in the ones that overlap ranges.
Jan 28, 2009 at 4:53 UTC
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I have the same issue as Sean. I can't create a group where i could put an IP address range, because the rules seems not to understand the criteria chosen to bound that IP range. My rules are for example:
Match All the following rules
IP Address --- Greater than --- 192.168.204.1
IP Address --- Less than --- 192.168.204.35
The results are weird: 112 devices matched.
If these rules could work fine, the results would be 33 or less devices matched.
Any ideas? a bug on this version?
Thank you.
(Excuse my english, it is not my native language)
Jan 28, 2009 at 5:03 UTC
Do you have the group set to match any or match all rules? (and vs or)
Kinda sound like its matching any and you only have 112 devices.
Jan 28, 2009 at 7:16 UTC
Hi Sean:
Off course i set "Match All the rules"... if you read again my last post, i wrote it in bold!
Feb 12, 2009 at 9:58 UTC
Yes this is a bug and has been reported to the developer. Sorry for the inconvenience. Is there another way you can group these devices? Maybe by a custom attribute? If not, you can create a group without a rule on it and copy the devices you want into the group.
Jun 11, 2009 at 10:10 UTC
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If during the creation of the rules I write:
Match all:
ip address - grater than - 172.16.2.60
ip address - less than - 172.16.2.90
result (26 matched devices)
In this group spiceworks inserts:
however if I write in the rules
Match any:
ip address - equal - (first ip)
ip address - equal - (second ip)
ip address - equal - (third ip)
.... (same rule for all ip) ..
the result is 23 matched devices (correct)
For the group with the range (172.16.2.181 -> 172.16.2.220) with the rules (greater than and less than) spiceworks inserts
I have the impression that there are problems with the zero... :°(
if i will put the ip for all groups (over 20 groups) i will be crazy ...
p.s: sorry for the orrible english :P
Sep 2, 2009 at 11:34 UTC
I can confirm the same issue here. I set up rules just like Julian.
I really hope the developers can get this fixed. That would be really helpful to many of us.
Oct 12, 2010 at 4:38 UTC
I know the last post here was over a year ago but I have just come across the same problem when trying to automatically sort my devices into Custom Groups based on IP range.
I was wondering if there has been any development or new ways to workaround the issue?
Oct 27, 2010 at 5:23 UTC
to solve this issue that you all are experiencing , you must replace in the conditions string 10.104.100.0 per "10.104.100.0" , you must include " " this to the system give back the desired result .
Ex: Less than "192.168.1.100" and greater than "192.168.1.90"
Nov 1, 2010 at 5:19 UTC
to solve this issue that you all are experiencing , you must replace in the conditions string 10.104.100.0 per "10.104.100.0" , you must include " " this to the system give back the desired result .
Ex: Less than "192.168.1.100" and greater than "192.168.1.90"
I have just tried this and unfortunately it still doesn't work.
As an example I am trying to populate a group with devices that have an IP address in the range: xxx.xxx.xxx.1 to xxx.xxx.xxx.40.
I am using two rules and have set the group so that all rules should be matched.
The first rule is IP address is greater than xxx.xxx.xxx.1
The second rule is IP address is less than xxx.xxx.xxx.41
This returns the same results regardless of whether the the IP address is included in quote marks or not.
The above rules will includes devices with addresses such as xxx.xxx.xxx.1, xxx.xxx.xxx.13 and xxx.xxx.xxx.32 but does not include devices with addresses xxx.xxx.xxx.5, xxx.xxx.xxx.6 and xxx.xxx.xxx.7
Dec 16, 2011 at 3:52 UTC
1st Post
I'm also having this same issue.
Is there any plans to implement a fix in any of the upcoming releases?
Apr 19, 2012 at 8:24 UTC
Has this been resolved yet? A real pain.
This discussion has been inactive for over a year.
You may get a better answer to your question by starting a new discussion.


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can someone please help me and tell me if the tea pot topper is cake or rice krispies???? and the small clock candle and small tea pot are gumpaste or rice krispies????? im lost and not sure where to start???
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Thank you i didnt notice you can do that hah... but i have one more question. sorry if i sound dumb lol.. the top tier she says is shaped and covered in fondant. is she meaning the cake is shaped or rice krispies or (i doubt it) is that whole thing fondant?? sorry for all the questions!
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ROCHESTER — A pedestrian crossing on Dequindre at the Clinton River Trail will be constructed this fall, thanks to a couple of grants.
The Michigan Department of Transportation recently awarded the city of Rochester a $99,970 Transportation Alternative Program Grant for the project, which was also recently approved for $93,780 in funding through the Road Commission for Oakland County's Tri-Party Road Improvement Program.
In recent years, the Tri-Party program has had an annual budget of $3 million, based on the Oakland County Board of Commissioners' willingness to contribute $1 million. However, due to the poor economy, officials said, in the last several years, some communities have not been able to utilize their share of Tri-Party dollars because they could not provide the local share, resulting in the one-time surplus of $2.9 million in unused funds.
"Sometime back, we noticed — at the commission — that there were a lot of municipalities around the county that could not put their own share of funds toward a project, so therefore, the matching funds from the Road Commission were not being used. This resulted in a very large and growing fund balance. After some consideration, we decided that, rather than just have this money sit there unused, we would open it up to other municipalities around the county who did have the resources and the ability to use the funds," said Oakland County Commissioner Jeff Matis.
Under the Tri-Party Road Improvement Program — which is designed to improve county roads — the Oakland County general government, the Road Commission for Oakland County, and the community that applied for the funds, are all required to pay one-third of an approved project. jCity officials say the area, which is behind the Onyx Ice Arena, south of Parkdale Road, is dangerous for pedestrians to cross.
"That is a difficult road to cross, so (the crossing) is needed for bikers and pedestrians," Mayor Stuart Bikson explained.
The total project is expected to cost more than $193,000, but thanks to both grants, and Shelby Township agreeing to fund half of the local match portion of the project, the city of Rochester — and Shelby Township — will pay each $15,543. The crossing will be constructed this fall.
If the city had not received the grants, City Manager Jaymes Vettraino said the project would have likely been done in 2014 or 2015.
"I guess the moral of the story is it's always good to have some cash in the bank," Bikson added.
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