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[0:00] <trevorman> I just wrapped a sheet of A4 around it and cut a hole in the side for the HDMI socket...
[0:00] <trevorman> didn't want to cut into the box that farnell supplied
[0:02] <GabrialDestruir> has anyone else running OpenELEC gotten another skin to play nicely with Pi?
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[0:37] <dmsuse> nothing said in 30 mins, its a record
[0:38] <sraue> you have broken our 60min without saying anything
[0:38] <Skrotus> yeah way to go, punk
[0:38] <Skrotus> >.>
[0:38] <thisisthechris> hehe
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[0:40] <trevorman> huh. somebody forked openelec and claims to have optimised it for rpi - http://darkimmortal.com/2012/05/darkelec-raspberry-pi-optimised-openelec-fork/#comments
[0:41] <trevorman> the iplayer, 4od and itv player addons would be nice...
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[0:42] <sraue> trevorman, as i can see he mostly include some addons/repos per default... which makes not much sense to me
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[0:43] <trevorman> sraue: yeah
[0:43] <trevorman> mostly interested in what was changed regarding cpu usage
[0:43] <sraue> i think he has a github repo
[0:43] <sraue> will look
[0:44] <trevorman> yeah https://github.com/darkimmortal/DarkELEC
[0:44] <sraue> yes, i dont see much - for us - usefull stuff... maybe this wlan driver
[0:45] <trevorman> wlan doesn't interest me as I'm using wired ethernet anyway )
[0:45] <trevorman> :)
[0:46] <sraue> https://github.com/darkimmortal/DarkELEC/commit/2b706c220b797050104aea8f9358f628c71822a3 thats the only commit which can be usefull, if its needed....
[0:47] <sraue> then he included acpi stuff, which dont makes sense
[0:47] <sraue> dont know why
[0:47] <sraue> https://github.com/darkimmortal/DarkELEC/commit/fc593247e9f1d09a853e60404871ca232f531c46
[0:50] <trevorman> acpi on the rpi? wha
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[0:52] <trevorman> not seeing anything at all which would cause reduced cpu usage
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[0:54] <trevorman> oh. thats it? https://github.com/darkimmortal/DarkELEC/commit/1edde3b8901f3d3efcb4c522918ae961988151c3
[0:54] <smjms> Milos: what do you use for 3G? an USB modem?
[0:54] <trevorman> disable RSS and background video -.-
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[0:57] <Decepshun> oh god so close
[0:57] <Decepshun> I got openelec xbmc working
[0:58] <Decepshun> but I can't connect to my drobo
[0:58] <Decepshun> RAEG
[0:58] <trevorman> ?
[0:58] <lennard> drobo? RAEG?
[0:58] <Decepshun> drobo is a NAS
[0:58] <trevorman> yeah but whats wrong with it?
[0:59] <Decepshun> It wont find it on the network
[0:59] <trevorman> lennard: so angry he can't spell RAGE correctly
[0:59] <Decepshun> so many non-hip people here ;)
[0:59] <Decepshun> but
[0:59] <Decepshun> yeah
[0:59] <trevorman> CIFS? NFS?
[0:59] <Decepshun> I tried NFS won't work
[0:59] <Decepshun> tried SMB...locks up
[1:00] <Decepshun> tried http protocol (lol) denied
[1:00] <Decepshun> dont know what other protocol to use
[1:00] <trevorman> you built openelec yourself?
[1:00] <Decepshun> oh snap
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[1:00] <Decepshun> nevermind
[1:00] <trevorman> k
[1:00] <Decepshun> it didn't lock up...it was compiling
[1:00] <Decepshun> smb did work
[1:01] <trevorman> compiling??
[1:01] <Decepshun> the movie list on the nas
[1:01] <trevorman> oh. was it you that was trying to get xbmc to work on debian?
[1:01] <trevorman> ah
[1:01] <Decepshun> no..there is a distro out there with XMBC on Openelec
[1:01] <trevorman> you must have many many files on your drobo
[1:02] <trevorman> its pretty quick for me even browsing file list
[1:02] <Decepshun> over 3TB so far
[1:02] <Decepshun> I have taken my entire DVD/BR library and ripped it onto it
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[1:02] <trevorman> NFS should work though. CIFS and NFS mounting another server works fine for me
[1:03] <Decepshun> NFS gave me errors and that was the most logical protocol choice
[1:03] <trevorman> oh I know why NFS doesn't work for you
[1:03] <Decepshun> why?
[1:03] <trevorman> the drobo probably dislikes it because the NFS client isn't using a secure i.e. < 1024 port
[1:04] <trevorman> no idea how you tell a drobo that you're cool with it doing that. for regular NFS on unix you just specify insecure in the exports
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[1:25] <Milos> smjms, yup.
[1:25] <Milos> smjms, I had to use a USB Y-cable because the rpi did not provide enough power via its USB ports.
[1:25] <Milos> I have a 16Ah battery with 5 USB ports that can each provide 5V and 2A.
[1:26] <Milos> It's great.
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[1:29] <GabrialDestruir> Ya know.... if someone could produce a bunch of Lapdock kits for the Pi...
[1:29] <GabrialDestruir> they could make some serious money.
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[1:32] <Decepshun> how do you boot into shell without going into the GUI...is there a key to press upon boot?
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[1:33] <GabrialDestruir> That happens by default on most distros?
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Indeed
[1:34] <IT_Sean> The official distro boots to a sheel by defaut, anyway.
[1:34] <mythos> is there not a runlevel kernelparameter which should be honored from init?
[1:34] <Decepshun> not this OpenElec woith XBMC on it
[1:34] <Decepshun> it goes right into XBMC
[1:35] <Decepshun> I want to boot to a prompt
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> That's all OpenELEC does.
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> It's just XBMC
[1:35] <Decepshun> ah ok
[1:35] <Decepshun> hrm
[1:35] <IT_Sean> ^ wot 'e said
[1:35] <GabrialDestruir> DO people actually say wot?
[1:35] <mythos> Decepshun, than you have to edit /etc/inittab (or whatever initsystem openelec uses)
[1:36] <mythos> *then
[1:36] <Decepshun> how do I exit XBMC to the prompt then?
[1:36] <trevorman> you can't
[1:37] <trevorman> openelec isn't designed to do what you want
[1:37] <Decepshun> figures
[1:37] <trevorman> its literally just xbmc + some support apps
[1:37] <GabrialDestruir> You don't, even if you could kill XBMC it's self start or w/e
[1:37] <mythos> Decepshun, mount the sd-card edit the files? ;)
[1:37] <GabrialDestruir> So you kill it, it starts up again.
[1:37] <mythos> *and
[1:37] <trevorman> raspbmc is probably better as a base for you since its built on debian iirc
[1:38] <trevorman> you'd still need to mod it though but probably less than openelec
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[1:38] <Decepshun> ugh...wish I was better at linux :|
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> With Raspbmc you're able to better customize what happens in the background.
[1:38] <GabrialDestruir> Using ssh though
[1:39] <sraue> Decepshun, for what you need the commandline?
[1:39] <trevorman> I assume somebody will eventually package up xbmc for raspbian anyway
[1:39] <DaQatz> Are there pre-built openelec images hosted somewhere?
[1:39] <mythos> sraue, better question: for what does someone not need a shell? #)
[1:39] <Decepshun> well...trevorman..I don't want to wait
[1:39] <DaQatz> Hmmm nm I think I found some
[1:39] <Decepshun> http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[1:40] <DaQatz> Yep that's the spot
[1:40] <Decepshun> I just want to resize the second partition
[1:40] <GabrialDestruir> No, but grab the OpenELEC releases and then there's a create_sdcard
[1:40] <Decepshun> because I think when it was building the library, it ran out of space
[1:40] <GabrialDestruir> Linux + Gparted
[1:40] <sraue> DaQatz, the officially location is http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/ if you need a disk image you can use for example: http://kvarley.co.uk/RaspberryPi/OpenELEC/
[1:40] <GabrialDestruir> it'll be a lot faster than trying to resize it via cli
[1:40] <trevorman> DaQatz: http://sources.openelec.tv/tmp/image/openelec-rpi/
[1:40] <trevorman> oops too slow
[1:41] <GabrialDestruir> Don't use kvarley with the latest official releases, it doesn't boot.
[1:41] <sraue> mythos, if you want to run a mediacenter distro there is no need for a shell
[1:41] <GabrialDestruir> Well from my experience.
[1:42] <mythos> sraue, but what if you have to debug something?
[1:42] <sraue> mythos, ssh
[1:42] <zgreg> ahh, I just found a bug in the kernel 3.1 the raspberry pi is using
[1:42] <Decepshun> I am just gnashing my teeth here...
[1:42] <zgreg> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=f2815f68dabbb373fd1c9f0fd4a609d486697c2b
[1:42] <mythos> sraue, he does not have a ssh-daemon running, i guess
[1:42] <zgreg> this makes high-speed SD work without hacks with most newer cards
[1:42] <sraue> if he uses openelec he has a ssh daemon running
[1:43] <GabrialDestruir> It runs by default unless you set it not to.
[1:43] <trevorman> zgreg: the sdhc driver will still cap it at 25mhz tho
[1:44] <Decepshun> I give up for today...been working on this all day and nothing has worked..
[1:44] <Decepshun> (not blaming you guys)
[1:44] <Decepshun> just frustrated
[1:44] <zgreg> trevorman: the sdhci driver you mean?
[1:44] <zgreg> trevorman: well, that one caps to 20 MHz by default
[1:44] <trevorman> yeah sorry
[1:45] <mythos> sraue, oh, ok... someone should tell him
[1:45] <sraue> Decepshun, for resizing partitions you can use something like gparted, there is also a live distro
[1:45] <zgreg> but even with the clock cap in the arasn sdhci driver fixed, the kernel would not use high-speed mode with my card
[1:45] <zgreg> the commit above fixes this
[1:45] <trevorman> zgreg: ahh
[1:45] <trevorman> is that why you force 50mhz?
[1:45] <zgreg> yes, that's why my earlier patch forced 50 MHz
[1:46] <trevorman> I was poking around in the code earlier and was wondering why you were doing that since it should have autodetected it
[1:46] <zgreg> with the commit above it's not necessary anymore
[1:46] <Decepshun> sraue: I don't have another linux box to mount the card to resize
[1:46] <Decepshun> and I can't get to the commandline to do it via shell
[1:46] <Decepshun> so bleh
[1:46] <sraue> Decepshun, use gparted live, you can start without installing
[1:46] <trevorman> you can't ssh into it?
[1:46] <Decepshun> oh snap
[1:46] <sraue> and for this you dont need a commandline too
[1:46] <Decepshun> forgot...I could putty to it
[1:47] <sraue> Decepshun, http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[1:47] <trevorman> zgreg: thats pretty cool then. assuming there aren't any dire consequences of increasing the emmc clock to 100mhz then the more than double throughput would be very nice.
[1:48] <trevorman> + no hack to force the speed
[1:48] <zgreg> trevorman: 100 MHz is within specs
[1:48] <Decepshun> sraue: I can use daemon to mount the iso to run it?
[1:48] <Decepshun> from a window box
[1:48] <trevorman> zgreg: the RPi (and broadcom) just has loads of weird design decisions doesn't it?
[1:49] <sraue> why not creating a boot usb stick or a iso and start ?
[1:49] <zgreg> well, all of these SoCs are weird
[1:50] <trevorman> only reason I can think of to intentionally limit it to 20mhz would be power consumption since this is supposed to be a phone soc
[1:50] <zgreg> I have a hunch the abysmally small buffer (1 KB!) in the arasan emmc is why performance is so bad
[1:50] <GabrialDestruir> You mean like a 800Mhz chip and limiting it to 700?
[1:51] <zgreg> trevorman: I can't imagine it makes much of a difference
[1:51] <trevorman> GabrialDestruir: no. you claim that its a 800mhz chip and its limited to 700mhz for the rpi for reliability :P
[1:51] <zgreg> well, even without raising the eMMC clock with the fixes 40 MHz clock would be possible.. that's double of what we have now by default :)
[1:51] <GabrialDestruir> I said it makes logical sense :p
[1:51] <trevorman> true
[1:52] <GabrialDestruir> If we can do 40 without without mods, then why is the default 20?
[1:53] <trevorman> because the kernel doesn't recognise the card as being able to cope with a clockspeed > 25mhz
[1:53] <zgreg> I assume it's a conservative setting introduced because many cards were problematic
[1:53] <GabrialDestruir> Ah, that might be why.
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[1:54] <trevorman> can't get 25mhz from 80mhz so the next step down would be 20mhz
[1:54] <trevorman> hmm. i've got some RSMMC cards somewhere. wonder how much they'll stick out from the rpi.
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[1:55] <hamitron> they won't?
[1:56] <trevorman> oh? they're flush with the pcb edge? I'll have to dig them out
[1:57] <hamitron> hmmm, maybe not
[1:57] <hamitron> I thought it was further "in"
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[2:00] <Skrotus> woot my pi just arrived
[2:00] <IT_Sean> WOOT
[2:01] <reider59> nice one
[2:05] <chnopsx> nicenice
[2:09] <teKuru> ahh
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[2:09] <teKuru> just after 20:00 here on a Sunday, was like who is delivering
[2:09] <teKuru> always forget some places are wayyyy further ahead in the day
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[2:16] <mythos> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5830 <-- in which subforum is this thread postet?
[2:18] <mythos> ah, ok... now i found it
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[2:35] <Skrotus> what's the default login on debian anyone?
[2:36] <Skrotus> nvm got it
[2:37] <eggy> Ok, time for another sd card. This one has pissed me off one too many times :p
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[2:39] <ReggieUK> eggy, mind your language please :)
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[2:40] <eggy> sorry :p
[2:40] <eggy> didn't think it was that nasty of a language tho
[2:41] <ReggieUK> we expect from time to time that there may be children logged into the channel, so any swearing is really frowned upon
[2:41] <eggy> Sorry about that, I'll refrain :)
[2:41] <ReggieUK> no problem :)
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[2:44] <eggy> heh maybe it wasn't the sd cards fault at all; looks like the os image I'm using might be problematic
[2:45] <shirro> eggy: you can't use the sort of language you would use with a two year old here "Get down from there you little f#$%#^ s#$#%^ and go the f#$%# to sleep" - you have to use genteel language that wouldn't offend gentrified english folks. That is how it is.
[2:45] <eggy> LOL :)
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[2:47] <shirro> If ReggieUK heard some of the language I did at the kindy droppoff this morning he would get his frilly knickers in a twist
[2:47] <ReggieUK> doubtful
[2:48] <ReggieUK> do what you like in other channels, pm, in real life, it doesn't bother me at all :)
[2:51] <eggy> trying good old dd instead of this imagewriter tool; hopefully that fixes the issues
[2:53] <PhonicUK> man it feels a shame to power off my pi with 7 days uptime :\
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[2:54] <eggy> womder how many mA the iphone chargers output
[2:54] <PhonicUK> I was under the impression they were 1A
[2:54] <IT_Sean> No, the iPad ones are 1A
[2:54] <IT_Sean> the iPhone ones are less.
[2:54] <PhonicUK> ah
[2:55] <eggy> wondering if that's why I'm getting these sd card problems, heard it can be a cause
[2:57] <ReggieUK> IT_Sean, the iphone charger I've got is 1amp
[2:57] <eggy> I have one of the newer chargers
[2:58] <IT_Sean> I apologise, youy are right. the iPod is 1A, the iPad is 23A. I just went and checked mine.
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> 23A seems unlikely.
[2:59] <PhonicUK> I'd guess 2.3
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[2:59] <IT_Sean> it's dark in here :p it is probably 2.3
[3:00] <PhonicUK> anyone tried DarkELEC?
[3:02] <eggy> yay - no sd errors
[3:02] <trevorman> PhonicUK: its basically openelec with some minor tweaks and some plugins included by default
[3:02] <eggy> I fixed it :)
[3:02] <PhonicUK> is it any good?
[3:03] <nid0> well itll possibly be fractionally slightly better than openelec
[3:03] <trevorman> nid0: the CPU usage reduction is just https://github.com/darkimmortal/DarkELEC/commit/1edde3b8901f3d3efcb4c522918ae961988151c3
[3:03] <trevorman> thats all of it
[3:06] <trevorman> ReggieUK: oh earlier you asked about the rpi and current? I was wrong and so is the schematic. It says 1.1A on there but the actual fitted polyfuse appears to be 700ma so that is the maximum the RPi will want and can use including anything you plug into the USB sockets.
[3:09] <Kewlj1313> trevorman that tweak seems that it is enabling video that seems odd
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[3:09] <Kewlj1313> seems like it would be better to disable video in skin
[3:09] <Crenn-NAS> So how is everyone's Pis?
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[3:10] <nid0> both of mine are fine, currently purring along sd-card-less
[3:10] <Kewlj1313> sd-card-less?!?
[3:10] <Crenn-NAS> SD CArd less?
[3:10] <Kewlj1313> that is possible?
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[3:10] <nid0> yer, obv you need it in while booting but with an nfs or iscsi root you can pull it out once the system's booting
[3:11] <Kewlj1313> oohh gotcha
[3:11] <Kewlj1313> hm hm thoughts o
[3:11] <Kewlj1313> so*
[3:12] <harold> I have the debian imaeg.. and I notice that 'LXMusic' doesn't really play anything
[3:12] <trevorman> Kewlj1313: its probably defaulting to on anyway. the cpu fix is to turn off the rss scroller.
[3:12] <harold> sounds should be carried over HDMI connection? right? I'm confused as to why I'm not able to get any sound
[3:12] * Crenn-NAS still needs to finish developing a C driver for the SPI peripheral
[3:13] <trevorman> harold: yes. HDMI audio is supported. read http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=6697
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[3:14] <simonlc> http://simon.lc/assets/rpicard/7.jpg
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[3:15] <Kewlj1313> oohhh gotcha trevorman that make sense.. makes better use of the new dead spaces or w/e
[3:15] <Crenn-NAS> simonlc: Is that the cardboard case?
[3:15] <Crenn-NAS> Has it the design been fixed?
[3:15] <chnopsx> is anyone working on a GUI running on opengl? since normal X is unaccelerated
[3:16] <Kewlj1313> is it just me or does it seem like a bad idea to run an electronic device in a paper/cardboard case?
[3:16] <Crenn-NAS> Kewlj1313: I don't see an issue with it
[3:16] <Kewlj1313> Heat + Paper = fire?
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[3:16] <Crenn-NAS> Kewlj1313: Do you know the flashpoint of paper?
[3:16] <Kewlj1313> eh not off hand
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[3:17] <simonlc> Crenn-NAS: it's my own cardboard case that I designed myself
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[3:17] <Kewlj1313> but regardless seems like a risk
[3:17] <Crenn-NAS> simonlc: Got a layout for it? Either way, looks nice :D
[3:17] <chnopsx> simonlc, looks sweet
[3:17] <Kewlj1313> whos to say a chip on your RPi doesn't short out and flare up... something crazy could happen... usb port gets broke and sparks... paper.. flames... death
[3:17] <SpeedEvil> Crenn-NAS: 451F
[3:17] <Crenn-NAS> Kewlj1313: For low powered electronics, I'm not worried
[3:17] <simonlc> I prototyped it on paper, and don't want to spend the time making a printable version
[3:17] <Kewlj1313> hm hm yea
[3:18] <Crenn-NAS> simonlc: Fair enough
[3:18] <Crenn-NAS> SpeedEvil: Google?
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> Crenn-NAS: There is a book of that name.
[3:18] <Kewlj1313> guess I'm hesitant as my house burned down from an electronic short when I was younger :-\
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> Farenheight 451
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> Kewlj1313: Did they find out it was you?
[3:19] <Kewlj1313> hahah it wasn't actually!
[3:19] <Kewlj1313> TV wire shorted out... sparks caught carpet on fire
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[3:19] <Kewlj1313> something like that at least
[3:19] <Kewlj1313> crazyness
[3:19] <simonlc> here's the thread Crenn-NAS http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6459&p=91333#p91333
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[3:20] <trevorman> hamitron: tried a RSMMC in the RPi. It overhangs by about 2-3mm
[3:21] <hamitron> kk
[3:21] <hamitron> :)
[3:21] <hamitron> ty for letting me know
[3:23] <FrankBuss> Crenn-NAS: why do you need to finish developing a C driver for SPI? already done: http://www.bootc.net/archives/2012/05/19/spi-on-the-raspberry-pi-again/
[3:23] <zgreg> anyone wanna test a kernel with SD speedup?
[3:23] <zgreg> I have an image ready
[3:24] * bootc waves
[3:24] <GabrialDestruir> I officially hate auto-correct
[3:25] * SpeedEvil is waiting on his SD arriving tomorrow
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> er
[3:25] <GabrialDestruir> auto-complete, specifically Google's xD
[3:25] <zgreg> bootc: hold on, still uploading
[3:26] <bootc> zgreg: I didn't mean I'd test your kernel sorry
[3:26] <bootc> I was waving at FrankBuss and Crenn-NAS
[3:26] <zgreg> oh, heh
[3:26] <SpeedEvil> trevorman: does it boot?
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[3:27] <Decepshun> ugh
[3:27] <Crenn-NAS> bootc: Hello, do I know you?
[3:27] <Crenn-NAS> FrankBuss: Because that's a Kernal driver
[3:28] <Crenn-NAS> That and I want to learn more about how linux works
[3:28] <FrankBuss> yes, needs to be one, if you want to use interrupts
[3:28] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: I'd expect to it. Writing an image now.
[3:28] <bootc> Crenn-NAS: you may have noticed my nick is in the URL FrankBuss linked you to, that is all
[3:28] <bootc> there's a reason for that
[3:28] <bootc> ;-)
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[3:29] <Crenn-NAS> Oh, Hi there!
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[3:31] <Decepshun> the heck...I install raspbmc...it takes me to the login and (per the website) the login/pw should be pi:raspberry....nop
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[3:33] <bootc> Decepshun: keyboard layout?
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[3:34] * FrankBuss is reading http://lwn.net/Articles/127698/ and shudders to think about Perl handling interrupt requests
[3:34] <Decepshun> keyboard layout? english?
[3:36] <bootc> Decepshun: I'm just checking you have a qwerty layout, or you may be typing the wrong password :-)
[3:36] <teKuru> doesn't polling to check if interrupts have happened defeat the purpose of an interrupt?
[3:36] <teKuru> what good does it do to use an interrupt when checking a button press if I have to check instead of being told when it is pressed
[3:36] <teKuru> I must be missing something in that article, how is that a plus
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[3:38] <FrankBuss> it assumes you are using multithreading applications, and the poll-call sleeps the thread until the interrupt occurs
[3:38] <Decepshun> bootc
[3:38] <Decepshun> I have made sure I haven't misstyped
[3:38] <teKuru> if you type tyhe password into the username field do you see what you expect to see?
[3:39] <Decepshun> i will try it
[3:40] <FrankBuss> teKuru: I've used this concept for a vsync interrupt on an embedded system and works nice, even with a standard kernel (and my own modules), if you increase the priority of the waiting thread
[3:40] <SpeedEvil> FrankBuss: I note the dates on that are 2005
[3:40] <Decepshun> teKuru: yes
[3:41] <teKuru> got me then
[3:41] <trevorman> SpeedEvil: doesn't look like RSMMC works
[3:41] <trevorman> which is strange
[3:41] <SpeedEvil> Not really.
[3:42] <SpeedEvil> MMC!=SD
[3:42] <SpeedEvil> though they are sort-of-compatible in some modes
[3:42] <FrankBuss> SpeedEvil: right, maybe outdated and already new concepts are implemented :-)
[3:42] <teKuru> yeah it is a different format
[3:42] <trevorman> generally anything which accepts a SD card will also do MMC though
[3:42] <trevorman> but the bootloader ROM is tiny so I guess it jsut doesn't like it
[3:42] <trevorman> also isn't this supposed to work with emmc?
[3:45] * mrdragons contemplating suicide
[3:45] <mrdragons> I just got my code thing to place an order at RS
[3:45] <mrdragons> And while I was ordering the session timed out
[3:45] <mrdragons> ;_;
[3:46] <plugwash> IIRC if you don't successfully place an order the ordering session times out after a while and once it does you can use the code to start a new one
[3:46] <neofutur> their java website is pure S*** ( auto censored )
[3:46] <trevorman> what plugwash said
[3:47] <mrdragons> plugwash: Nope, it says the code is invalid now. :\
[3:47] <mrdragons> Might email them to see if I can get it sorted out
[3:47] <plugwash> give it a few hours to time out and try again
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[3:53] <FrankBuss> Crenn-NAS: looks like UIO provides interrupt handling in user mode: http://www.kernel.org/doc/htmldocs/uio-howto.html (just in case you don't want to write your own kernel module, but it still needs a small kernel stub)
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[3:54] <Crenn-NAS> FrankBuss: Thanks for that
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[4:13] <blkhawk> ok
[4:13] <blkhawk> anybody around willing to try something crazy
[4:14] <blkhawk> ?
[4:14] <Skrotus> maybe
[4:14] <blkhawk> ok
[4:14] <blkhawk> try setting init_emmc_clock=160000000
[4:15] <blkhawk> in your config.txt file
[4:15] <blkhawk> if you got a class 6 card
[4:15] <blkhawk> init_emmc_clock=240000000 for a class 10
[4:15] <zgreg> err
[4:15] <zgreg> I have a proper fix...
[4:15] <blkhawk> then do a hdparm -Tt
[4:15] <blkhawk> zgreg: it works :P
[4:16] <zgreg> the class is not related to the maximum SD clock
[4:17] <blkhawk> zgreg: I have not enough experimental data to confirm that ;)
[4:17] <blkhawk> but 240mhz getsmycard to 12 mb/sec
[4:17] <zgreg> maybe, but that's completely out of spec of both the eMMC controller and the SD card
[4:18] <blkhawk> zgreg: I am fully expecting the card to start showing errors
[4:18] <blkhawk> zgreg: I think the kernel isn't using the number directly and is only ever apllying it with a divider
[4:19] <blkhawk> i can only speculate tho ;)
[4:20] <zgreg> yes, that is what the kernel does
[4:20] <zgreg> the standard kernel assumes 80 MHz eMMC clock
[4:20] <blkhawk> zgreg: so there is an error that makes it pic a too low number?
[4:21] <blkhawk> from what i read it uses that and drives card with 10mhz
[4:21] <blkhawk> when it should use 20 or 50
[4:21] <zgreg> two things:
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[4:22] <zgreg> the eMMC SDHCI driver limits the clock to 20 MHz for unknown reasons
[4:22] <zgreg> I guess it's just to be safe, while testing SD card compatibility
[4:22] <blkhawk> probably
[4:22] <zgreg> second, there's a bug in the kernel which prevents newer (SD 3.0) cards from being configured into high-speed (50 MHz) mode
[4:22] <blkhawk> I was just trying things
[4:23] <blkhawk> 400mhz does not work btw ;)
[4:23] <blkhawk> 240mhz seems to work well tho
[4:23] <zgreg> in my branch, I applied a fix for the latter bug, abd removed the 20 MHz limit
[4:23] <blkhawk> a least with this particular card
[4:23] <blkhawk> link? is it hardfp?
[4:23] <zgreg> I also configured the SDHCI driver to assume 100 MHz eMMC clock (that is within the specs)
[4:24] <zgreg> hardfp/softfp distinction does not matter for the kernel
[4:24] <zgreg> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=5057&p=91347#p91347
[4:24] <zgreg> just posted this a few minutes ago
[4:25] <blkhawk> lets see what it does ;)
[4:26] <blkhawk> your kernel is a lot smaller than mine
[4:27] <shirro> zgreg: do you have a patch I can apply to my kernel source?
[4:27] <blkhawk> lets hope it has all it needs ;)
[4:27] <zgreg> shirro: bitbucket is down, I can make a git patchset
[4:27] <blkhawk> hmmm
[4:28] <shirro> zgreg: that would be great. thanks
[4:28] <blkhawk> unpacked the size fits ;)
[4:29] <blkhawk> lets see what it gets me
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[4:30] <shirro> can we record times and cards on the wiki. would be good to document if this works and what sort of gains people are getting and if there are any issues
[4:30] <blkhawk> init_emmc_clock=100000000 causes card errors with your patch
[4:31] <zgreg> hmm. what are you getting?
[4:31] <blkhawk> boos fine on default
[4:31] <blkhawk> Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 3.43 seconds = 1.17 MB/sec
[4:31] <blkhawk> nice
[4:31] <blkhawk> not what i would call an improvement
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[4:32] <blkhawk> intersingly this also happens:
[4:32] <blkhawk> Timing cached reads: 28 MB in 2.00 seconds = 13.98 MB/sec
[4:32] <blkhawk> let me rerun
[4:32] <blkhawk> same
[4:32] <blkhawk> this is pitful
[4:32] <zgreg> odd
[4:32] <blkhawk> zgreg: i wouldn't call this "improved"
[4:33] <blkhawk> let me play with init_emmc_clock
[4:33] <zgreg> well, there must be something strange going on
[4:33] <blkhawk> i set it to 80mhz
[4:33] <blkhawk> lol
[4:33] <blkhawk> MMC errors
[4:34] <zgreg> or do you see this abysmal performance with the standard kernel, too?
[4:34] <blkhawk> nooo
[4:34] <blkhawk> its at 4.5mhz there
[4:34] <zgreg> what?
[4:34] <blkhawk> with init_emmc_clock=24000000 i get 12mb/sec
[4:34] <blkhawk> mbyte sorry
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[4:34] <blkhawk> ok it booted at 80
[4:35] <blkhawk> but showed errors
[4:35] <blkhawk> Timing cached reads: 28 MB in 2.00 seconds = 13.99 MB/sec
[4:35] <blkhawk> Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 3.43 seconds = 1.17 MB/sec
[4:35] <blkhawk> still pitful
[4:35] <shirro> blkhawk: Although the hdparm speed is awesome I get write errors when I use stock kernel with 160
[4:35] <blkhawk> shirro: I had none
[4:36] <blkhawk> but it was only a somewhat insane thing to try
[4:36] <blkhawk> try zgreg's kernel
[4:36] <trevorman> I'm surprised that it accepts init_emmc_clock=24000000 :P
[4:36] <shirro> overclocking is good fun but would also be good to find a sensible default that will work for everyone
[4:36] <trevorman> its only rated for up to 100mhz
[4:36] <blkhawk> trevorman: I think the number doesn't get set directly
[4:36] <blkhawk> but there is always a divider applied
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[4:37] <zgreg> shirro: the patches are at http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd.tar.gz
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[4:38] <SSilver2k2> lo all
[4:38] <blkhawk> shirro: how did you test for write errors?
[4:38] <shirro> I just had some come up in dmesg
[4:38] <blkhawk> ah
[4:39] <blkhawk> i had those at 400mhz ;)
[4:39] <shirro> It is just a supermarket card
[4:39] <shirro> I need to get a nice sandisk
[4:39] <blkhawk> zgreg: back to stock - speeds are back again
[4:39] <blkhawk> zgreg: you might want to look into why the cached reads are so low
[4:40] <blkhawk> cause those change not much for me whatevery speed i set
[4:40] <SSilver2k2> is there anyplace to post your own "custom" images? i'm building a custom debian image that has a lot of things initially compiled and installed, ie quake 3, mame, chromium, ssh by default, etc. im sure its been done before though
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[4:41] <GabrialDestruir> Is there a performance difference between USB Flash drive and SD card?
[4:41] <shirro> SSilver2k2: yeah, I think many of us have similar. Ideally we need them packaged so anyone can build them from source and they can go in a proper repo
[4:41] <blkhawk> GabrialDestruir: yes
[4:41] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: big difference. usb much faster
[4:41] <blkhawk> usb is faster currently
[4:41] <SSilver2k2> shirro: aye
[4:41] <Blaker0111> Anyone happen to know why Fedora is no longer the recommended OS for raspberry pi's? I just got mine today and hit the download section and it seems debian is now the recommended. Cant find an article talking about the reason for the switch though...
[4:41] <SSilver2k2> shirro: has anywork been done on a raspbi repo?
[4:41] <blkhawk> unless you try insane things
[4:41] <zgreg> blkhawk: I don't know, your numbers are so strange and the behavior is so strangely erratic I'd rather not take those results seriously at the moment
[4:42] <shirro> SSilver2k2: the raspbian guys are working on it
[4:42] <blkhawk> zgreg: lets see what other people get
[4:42] <zgreg> Blaker0111: because the fedora port sucks
[4:42] <SSilver2k2> cool
[4:42] <shirro> SSilver2k2: I wouldn't mind something like Ubuntu's ppa though
[4:42] <blkhawk> ah maybe i should mention that i use microsd cards with an adapter
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[4:43] <SSilver2k2> at this point im enjoying watching items compile successfully. reminds me of my gentoo days
[4:43] <SSilver2k2> lol
[4:43] <SSilver2k2> i really want to get LOVE2D or nlove (love without opengl) working
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[4:43] <blkhawk> i will use 240mhz for now
[4:43] <blkhawk> it seems to work well
[4:44] <shirro> SSilver2k2: that would be very cool. Love lua
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir> I used MicroSD with an adapter and it seems to work fine.
[4:44] <zgreg> blkhawk: maybe something is generally off with the kernel I compiled - but it works just fine for me
[4:44] <bootc> I use SD, Mini-SD and Micro-SD all with success
[4:44] <plugwash> Blaker0111, AIUI the image that the team working on fedora for the Pi put out was not up to standard and was pulled until they could sort it out
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir> Wait, we discussing something in particular?
[4:44] <GabrialDestruir> .-.
[4:44] <bootc> the form factor makes no difference
[4:45] <blkhawk> zgreg: welli unpacked your kernel and dropped it into my rasbian install
[4:45] <zgreg> you said it's smaller than your kernel - that's odd, because it's the same size as the vanilla image
[4:45] <blkhawk> bootc: the extra electrical contacts of the adapter might
[4:45] <blkhawk> zgreg: nah i unpacked it and it matched ;)
[4:45] <trevorman> extra contacts?
[4:45] <blkhawk> of the adapter
[4:45] <blkhawk> extra electrical contacts
[4:46] <trevorman> if it does then you've got a really badly made and designed adapter
[4:46] <blkhawk> i said "might"
[4:46] <trevorman> there is no electrical difference between a SD and micro SD. its just a form factor change.
[4:46] <blkhawk> yes
[4:46] <bootc> righ, I'm up *far* too late now, it's 3:45
[4:46] <bootc> but...
[4:46] <bootc> 105: 3986 GPIO17 EDGE-FALLING enc28j60
[4:46] <shirro> blkhawk: I tend to get occasional mmc errors in my logs anyway. not sure if I can attribute them to clock or not. The performance doesn't lift a lot until you get to the insane numbers. 100 is hardly worthwhile so if the zgreg patch works would be very interesting
[4:46] <bootc> my GPIO IRQ code is working a treat
[4:47] <blkhawk> shirro: it scales linerally - i think the stock driver is handling dividers wrong
[4:47] <trevorman> blkhawk: I wouldn't entirely trust your RPi to not corrupt the SD card though since you're telling it to set a clock that is vastly out of spec
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[4:47] <blkhawk> trevorman: i would expect to see some dmesg output to that effect tho
[4:48] <trevorman> it boots and appears to work right now but you've no idea what the clock is even set to
[4:48] <blkhawk> i can always redo or replace the card
[4:48] <SSilver2k2> shirro: my students are building games in love2d right now. if i can get love2d working on the rpi, it would be amazing
[4:48] <blkhawk> ya
[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> Brand new USB drive, and windows can't read it .-.
[4:49] <Crenn-NAS> Just made a case for my RPi :D
[4:49] <shirro> SSilver2k2: good luck with getting it running on gl es. Is it working on a similar platform?
[4:49] <GabrialDestruir> Legos?
[4:49] <blkhawk> papercraft + abs plastic
[4:49] <blkhawk> :D
[4:50] <Crenn-NAS> GabrialDestruir: Don't have legos here
[4:50] <blkhawk> i think i will stay with 240mhz for now
[4:50] <Crenn-NAS> Used the 'punnet' template
[4:50] <blkhawk> Timing buffered disk reads: 40 MB in 3.12 seconds = 12.81 MB/sec <- nice
[4:50] <blkhawk> Crenn-NAS: ya me too
[4:50] <SSilver2k2> shirro: nLove is an ARM/openGL es support. its an older version of love2d and made for handhelds. its having some issues but i may be able to get it compiled
[4:50] <Crenn-NAS> Going to be adjusting the design with a RPi logo and a few other things
[4:50] <Crenn-NAS> blkhawk: What SD card is that?
[4:51] <shirro> SSilver2k2: link? I need to look at this
[4:51] <SSilver2k2> one sec
[4:51] <blkhawk> Crenn-NAS: trancent microsd 16GB class 10
[4:51] <blkhawk> plus one insane adjustment of config.txt
[4:51] <zgreg> shirro: any luck with that kernel image?
[4:51] <Crenn-NAS> Interesting
[4:51] <blkhawk> shirro: ya i am interested too
[4:51] <shirro> I haven't tried yet. I am juggling my laptopin one hand and 2yo in the other
[4:51] <Crenn-NAS> I wonder if it would work well with my Sandisk Ultra >.>
[4:51] <SSilver2k2> http://crankgaming.blogspot.com/2011/02/nlove-070-final-love2d-for-dingoo.html - first site. looking for the github
[4:52] <shirro> zgreg: I may just do a boot with your prebuilt kernel for now
[4:53] <Crenn-NAS> bootc: Do you have a prebuilt module for SPI I can grab?
[4:54] <blkhawk> shirro: please do
[4:54] <bootc> Crenn-NAS: if you're running the Debian image, grab http://www.bootc.net/raspberrypi/linux-image-3.2.18-rpi1+_5_armel.deb
[4:54] <blkhawk> and do a hdparm run
[4:54] <bootc> otherwise, my module probably won't run in your kernel
[4:55] <Crenn-NAS> bootc: Righto
[4:55] <Crenn-NAS> Give me 2 ticks
[4:55] <Crenn-NAS> Need to boot up me Pi
[4:55] <shirro> lots of mmc errors
[4:55] <SSilver2k2> shirro: related forum post: https://love2d.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=2048&start=60
[4:56] <Crenn-NAS> Also a little slow since my neck seized this morning
[4:56] <GabrialDestruir> For some reason plugging in this new USB drive causes my web browser to freeze up
[4:57] <blkhawk> shirro: i had the same effect - try commenting out the init_emmc_clock
[4:57] <SSilver2k2> shirro: ha! https://bitbucket.org/bartbes/nlove
[4:57] <zgreg> do you still have set init_emmc_clock to something very high?
[4:58] <blkhawk> zgreg: i had the same effect
[4:58] <blkhawk> when setting it to 100mhz
[4:58] <SSilver2k2> i was talkign to bartbes yesterday on the love channel. i guess i sparked hsi interest in it again since he started doing commits again
[4:58] <zgreg> well, maybe it is more tricky than I thought
[4:58] <shirro> zgreg: init_emmc_clock=100000000 Timing buffered disk reads: 6 MB in 3.91 seconds = 1.53 MB/sec
[4:58] <zgreg> but really, this worked flawlessly here, with different cards
[4:59] <blkhawk> hui
[4:59] <blkhawk> same result i got :P
[4:59] <zgreg> maybe the kernel I uploaded is simply screwed up, no idea
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[5:00] <zgreg> but if you look at the patches, the changes are nothing special, and quite straight-forward
[5:00] <zgreg> what kind of mmc errors do you get?
[5:00] <shirro> zgreg: possibly. I would like to try the patches here but I need to spend time with kids.
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[5:01] <trevorman> zgreg: course, this might be why its set to such a slow speed in the first place...
[5:01] <shirro> 10 problems reading status register while initialising card -110 and -84 - I usually get a couple though
[5:02] <zgreg> I never get any error
[5:02] <blkhawk> similar here
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[5:02] <zgreg> not before, and not with the patches either
[5:03] <zgreg> do you have the latest firmware?
[5:03] <blkhawk> yes
[5:03] <shirro> I did have, but it changes :-) will check
[5:04] <blkhawk> zgreg: i looked at your changes and they do not seem to affect the dividers at all
[5:04] <GabrialDestruir> This is weird, I have this epically great computer.... and yet a single USB drive brings it down .-.
[5:05] <zgreg> blkhawk: they change the clock requests the upper layers of the MMC subsystem do
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[5:05] <blkhawk> well it seems to me as if they have the opposite effect
[5:05] <zgreg> without patchset 0001, many cards will never be configured to high-speed mode
[5:07] <Crenn-NAS> bootc: What do you do with .deb files? I'm still a bit of a linux noob
[5:07] <bootc> dpkg -i <deb>
[5:07] <Crenn-NAS> And it's been a few years since I last played with debian
[5:07] <blkhawk> i will try to apply them
[5:07] <bootc> then you need to do a magic dance to put the kernel where the bootloader can find it, and make sure your bootloader is up to date!
[5:07] <zgreg> and patchset 0002 makes the MMC subsystem actually use higher frequencies
[5:07] <bootc> and I really need to head to bed now, sorry :-(
[5:08] <Crenn-NAS> bootc: Not a problem
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[5:08] <Crenn-NAS> I think I need the rPi updater
[5:08] <zgreg> well, maybe there are side-effects with some cards, who knows
[5:08] <zgreg> I'll check that later
[5:08] <Crenn-NAS> bootc: Thanks for your help
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[5:10] <shirro> zgreg: 2yo fell asleep, I am compiling with your patches
[5:11] <zgreg> I removed all of the debugging output. that would be useful now ;)
[5:12] <blkhawk> i applied some of your patches
[5:12] <blkhawk> just 2 and 3
[5:12] <blkhawk> lets see what happens
[5:14] <blkhawk> maybe sdhci_bcm2708_get_max_clock is used in a formula somewhere
[5:14] <zgreg> as I said, it's used by the upper layers of the MMC subsystem
[5:14] <shirro> I am rebooting with 1,2 & 3..mmc errors - slow
[5:15] <shirro> I should try a different combo to blkhawk . what do you suggest?
[5:15] <zgreg> are you using an SD 3.0 card?
[5:16] <blkhawk> I would sggest commenting out the line in the config.txt
[5:16] <shirro> All I know is it is a Lexar 8G Class 6
[5:16] <blkhawk> i have some trouble getting the same kernel compiled as i have running now
[5:17] <blkhawk> the config i get from it somehow does not result in the same sized kernel
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[5:19] <blkhawk> drat
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[5:19] <blkhawk> oh well lets try it
[5:20] <SSilver2k2> gnight all. cya tomorrow
[5:22] <blkhawk> ok my partialpactches had no effect n the speed
[5:23] <blkhawk> i will adjust the constant to 100mhz now
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[5:27] <shirro> commented out everything in config.txt and running with just patch 1 & 2 and same errors. boot is very slow
[5:27] <zgreg> what's the output of "cat /sys/devices/platform/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0:0002/scr"?
[5:27] <blkhawk> shirro: I run with patch 2 & 3 no change
[5:28] <blkhawk> 0235800000000000
[5:28] <zgreg> hm, that looks like SD 3.0
[5:28] <shirro> I don't have that path
[5:28] <Crenn-NAS> /dev/mmcblk0: Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.11 seconds = 4.49 MB/sec
[5:28] <Crenn-NAS> Hmmm :/
[5:29] <shirro> zgreg: I get all zeros on cat /sys/devices/platform/mmc_host/mmc0/mmc0\:b368/scr
[5:31] <shirro> I might just try patch 2 since that is the clock increase
[5:31] <blkhawk> zgreg: I did patch 1 - getting mmc errors now
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[5:32] <blkhawk> Timing cached reads: 28 MB in 2.01 seconds = 13.95 MB/sec
[5:32] <blkhawk> Timing buffered disk reads: 4 MB in 3.43 seconds = 1.17 MB/sec
[5:32] <blkhawk> patch 1 is causing the errors
[5:33] <zgreg> patch 0001 fixes handling of SD 3.0 cards (and your card seems to be one)
[5:33] <zgreg> without that, the card will not be configured to high-speed
[5:33] <zgreg> that's why you are not seeing any improvements with 0002/0003 alone
[5:34] <blkhawk> ok
[5:34] <blkhawk> i will lower the speed to 20mhz
[5:34] <zgreg> but there's off with the initialization, it seems
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[5:34] <zgreg> *something
[5:35] <zgreg> well, I'll get some SD cards and check this out, later
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[5:36] <achenar> Hey all, what interesting projects have you seen done with the RP so far? I'm getting mine tomorrow hopefully.
[5:36] <shirro> 2 alone is slowing my card right down for some reason. I better check those firmware files
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[5:37] <blkhawk> wow
[5:37] <blkhawk> setting everything to 20mhz really breaks stuff
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[5:38] <trevorman> blkhawk: what does the mmc driver think your card is anyway? it should print out a line in the kernel messages similar to mmc0: new BLAH card at address XXX
[5:39] <blkhawk> zgreg id it as 3.0
[5:39] <trevorman> yeah but what is the kernel saying it is
[5:40] <trevorman> shirro: you don't have that specific directory because the RCA suggested by the card is different. its model specific.
[5:40] <trevorman> shirro: its normal anyway
[5:40] <blkhawk> mmc0: new SDHC card at address b368
[5:41] <zgreg> well, with patch 0001, it should say something like
[5:42] <zgreg> mmc0: new high speed SDHC card at address 0002
[5:42] <trevorman> yeah
[5:43] <blkhawk> yes
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[5:43] <blkhawk> I think your patch is puttin my cvard in high speed mode while it still is accessed in low speed
[5:44] <blkhawk> or something similar
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[5:45] <shirro> can it go to high speed without the voltage change?
[5:45] <zgreg> I don't know what's going on, but the kernel always initializes the card in 400 khz first, and only switches to higher speed later
[5:45] <Crenn-NAS> shirro: Not with UHS-I
[5:46] <zgreg> well, UHS-I is not high speed
[5:46] <zgreg> it is "ultra high speed" ;)
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[5:46] <Crenn-NAS> I'd call it high speed ;P
[5:47] <shirro> well I am not getting any joy from these patches. Errors and 1/4 the speed. Guess my card is not good enough.
[5:47] <shirro> Patch 2 alone kills the speed of my card
[5:47] <blkhawk> shirro: i have the same effect
[5:48] <trevorman> zgreg: you need to run it at 400 khz for initialisation
[5:48] <zgreg> yes, I know
[5:48] <trevorman> mmc does anyway. idk if SD is special
[5:48] <zgreg> what I wanted to say is, the kernel does the "right thing"
[5:48] <blkhawk> trevorman: the patches are really just some small things
[5:48] <trevorman> never looked at the SD spec as it costs way too much
[5:49] <blkhawk> anyway
[5:49] <blkhawk> need some sleep
[5:49] <blkhawk> nn
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[5:49] <Crenn-NAS> trevorman: There is an 'open' spec which is enough to see the handshaking
[5:49] <trevorman> the sdio one?
[5:50] <trevorman> I know thats available online but didn't think any of the actual SD spec was
[5:50] <zgreg> there's a "simplified specification" available for free
[5:50] <zgreg> https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/pls/simplified_specs/
[5:50] <trevorman> oh cool. thanks Crenn-NAS and zgreg
[5:51] <Crenn-NAS> trevorman: I only know of it because of my development with the LEaflabs Maple
[5:53] <trevorman> looks like a nice board
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[5:54] <trevorman> why didn't the arduino designers use proper spacing for the pin headers. way too late to change it now :|
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[6:02] <GabrialDestruir> Curious... if a device is readyboost ready, does that mean it'd be better for swap?
[6:02] <shirro> zgreg: on my class 6 with all patches, config.txt init_emmc_clock=100000000 but with patch 2 modified to leave max_clock at 20Mhz I get the speedup on hdparm to 5.53 MB/sec which is about what I was getting with init_emmc_clock=100000000 alone. I am confused now.
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[6:04] <shirro> I am a across the room rebooting. I wonder if power cycling might have been better?
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[6:16] <beardface> this room might appreciate this: https://plus.google.com/photos/100813533400102669109/albums/5750028861657556225
[6:16] <beardface> I <3 My Printer
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[6:23] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose 16GBs of RAM would be overkill if I ever decided to go Ubuntu, eh?
[6:23] <ccssnet> beardface: nice
[6:24] <ccssnet> GabrialDestruir: probably yes
[6:24] <ccssnet> considering you the one that brought it up
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[6:27] <GabrialDestruir> Well I was just reading that a power user on Ubuntu apparently doesn't even break 512MBs... which got me to thinking my current system would be excessively overkill for Ubuntu then xD
[6:29] <Skrotus> those look good beardface
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[6:29] <beardface> thanks
[6:30] <shirro> GabrialDestruir: I think 16GB would be about right. i have 8GB on my mac laptop and I need it with virtual machines and lots of chrome tabs open. If I was building a desktop or getting a new laptop I would want better than 8GB.
[6:31] <D34TH> i have 4gb and i run just fine
[6:31] <D34TH> i remember when i had 64 mb
[6:31] <D34TH> the horror
[6:32] <D34TH> hell i remember 8 kb
[6:32] <GabrialDestruir> I'm wondering how grub will handle my bootloader... it's all sorts of messed up atm...
[6:32] <shirro> D34TH: Try running a couple of virtual machines and compiling chrome or firefox
[6:32] <D34TH> my cpu would die before the ram
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[9:21] <kodaws> is a 700mA power adapter enough for the pi?
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[9:23] <ShiftPlusOne> kodaws, yeah, but you may run into problems with usb devices.
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[9:24] <kodaws> ShiftPlusOne,
[9:24] <kodaws> thanks
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[9:29] <Cheery> I'm already feeling the raspberry pi is an accident sort of
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[9:29] <Cheery> heck about people learning to program! lets do cool things on it. :D
[9:30] <Cheery> newbs. learning is just a side effect from that.
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[9:30] <Cheery> it's like it's something much more than just a learning platform
[9:30] <Cheery> it's throwable computing solution.
[9:31] <Cheery> tie it in and you'll get a linux desktop anywhere.
[9:31] <Cheery> which you can program on.
[9:31] <ShiftPlusOne> Cheery, which fits perfectly with the link Eben and others make between the old computers and consoles which you'd buy for games then end up having to write your own drivers and such.
[9:32] <Cheery> well yeah
[9:32] <Cheery> except that this time we've got internet.
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[9:32] <Cheery> with half of people connected to ti
[9:32] <Cheery> *it
[9:33] <Cheery> or wait..
[9:33] <Cheery> well
[9:33] <RaYmAn> we could make a worldwide pi grid! :D
[9:33] <Cheery> according to stats there's 2 billion internet users
[9:33] <Cheery> about third of human population
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[9:33] <Cheery> that's fucking amazing if you think that alone..
[9:34] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, but come on... pg13
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[9:34] <Cheery> yeah. srry. :)
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[9:35] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: but then there's the black swan effect in play at raspberry.
[9:35] <Cheery> no-one of us likely knows what will happen in two years
[9:35] * ShiftPlusOne googles
[9:36] <kodaws> ohh neat there is an arch linux image too
[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> ah
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[9:36] <ShiftPlusOne> kodaws, yeah and I think its' the best one.
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> and since I think so, that makes it fact.
[9:37] <Cheery> I mean the whole existence of raspberry pi will prove to be a big smack to the likes of microsoft and such.
[9:37] <kodaws> i'm going to try the base one and then i'll try it out
[9:37] <kodaws> ShiftPlusOne, why do you think it's better?
[9:37] <Cheery> it'll destroy some of them
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[9:37] <Cheery> just too much change at once
[9:37] <ShiftPlusOne> Cheery, not too sure about that... you might be getting carried away.
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[9:38] <Cheery> ShiftPlusOne: maybe.
[9:38] <Cheery> but still
[9:38] <Cheery> it's a computing revolution waiting to happen
[9:38] <frankivo> I want my Pi :(
[9:39] <Cheery> yeah. :)
[9:39] <Cheery> I'm probably getting my own in week or two
[9:39] <ShiftPlusOne> kodaws, it feels more 'right' to me. SSH is enabled by default, the kernel and firmware is in the repos and it updated when you update the system. The kernel config is a little better than the default as well. It's stable. It doesn't come with a lot of preinstalled stuff you won't use.
[9:39] <frankivo> I hope to get it by the end of this month :P
[9:39] <the_cuckoo> hi - my 5 year old and i had a crack at a lego case yesterday :D - http://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ltyRzVEee9k/T8uXJ8bHj0I/AAAAAAAACv0/bYIpcSYlwGI/w892-h669-k/20120603_184846.jpg - had problems finding the right logo parts, but it came out ok all things considered
[9:40] <Cheery> cool.
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[9:40] <kodaws> nice the_cuckoo
[9:40] <Cheery> what's the weather app running?
[9:40] <kodaws> which software is that btw?
[9:40] <ShiftPlusOne> looks like openelec
[9:40] <the_cuckoo> it's the openelec xbmc thing
[9:41] <ShiftPlusOne> and any excuse for an adult to play with legos, ey?
[9:41] <the_cuckoo> oh yeah :)
[9:41] <the_cuckoo> and i got carried away he went to bed... :p
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[9:41] <Cheery> it's sort of funny how many lego cases already
[9:41] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[9:41] <the_cuckoo> http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mnXPbztotOE/T8viEJFvQ6I/AAAAAAAACwg/qNugD3y6LzY/w892-h669-k/12%2B-%2B1
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[9:41] <the_cuckoo> i call it my pipico :)
[9:41] <Cheery> I wonder when it'll get the actual lego platform by someone :)
[9:42] <Cheery> sort of monolithic wrap-around.
[9:42] <Cheery> with lego patterns.
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[9:42] <Cheery> in fact that might become one really nice way to mount it.
[9:42] <ShiftPlusOne> nice
[9:43] <Cheery> lego platform in.. smash the device with lego enclosure to the platform :)
[9:43] <Cheery> should stand quite big loads
[9:44] <the_cuckoo> anyway, idea of the second link is to have a self contained projector system - it's obviously a bit incomplete, but it works pretty well - full name is 'le sweex pipico go' btw :D
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[9:44] <Cheery> I expect to quadruple the amount of linux systems in my network with raspberry. ):
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[9:44] <Cheery> :)
[9:45] <Cheery> probably going to have one for just sound playback and video cannon.
[9:45] <Cheery> good audio systems are expensive.. and should be shared.
[9:45] <Cheery> or who knows whether I bother.
[9:45] <Cheery> I'm not sure
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[9:46] <Cheery> at least I'm sure the upstairs will get a new computer terminal. ^^
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[9:53] <Cheery> I'm bit sad about the game OS discussion
[9:54] <Cheery> I do think for a practical kernel, it must be GPL.
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[9:54] <Cheery> why? that avoids the abuse from big corps.
[9:54] <Cheery> well.. mostly :)
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[9:54] <the_cuckoo> well... not really :)
[9:55] <Cheery> true
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[9:55] <Cheery> the best way is to just kick their sorry backsides.
[9:55] <the_cuckoo> the best thing to do is just ignore them :)
[9:56] <Cheery> ..that too
[9:56] <djazz> Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(2,0)
[9:56] <djazz> :(
[9:56] <djazz> just changed hdmi setting in config.txt
[9:56] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, what kernel, what does your cmdline say and what's the filesystem of the root partition?
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[9:57] <djazz> hm, im running latest arch
[9:57] <frankivo> eww :p
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[9:57] * ShiftPlusOne kicks frankivo (blasphemy)
[9:57] <frankivo> :D
[9:58] <djazz> the error says smth about bcm_2708_gpio_probe
[9:59] <ShiftPlusOne> can you pastebin the entire log?
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[9:59] * ShiftPlusOne hopes djazz has serial working
[9:59] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: copy paste from a composite monitor, no thx
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[10:00] <phoque> sweet
[10:00] <phoque> my Raspi runs so smoothly
[10:00] <djazz> I'll just reflash the SD card
[10:00] <djazz> :)
[10:01] <Cheery> a funny contrast to some posts :D
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[10:01] <ShiftPlusOne> then I'd just try taking the card out and reinserting it, making sure you have good contact. Without the full log, it's hard to tell what's going on, but it looks like you may have corrupted the filesystem somehow or the kernel doesn't support the filesystem... or your cmdline points to the wrong root.
[10:02] <djazz> i did re-insert it
[10:02] <djazz> i can read it just fine from my laptop
[10:02] <KrnlPanic> Woohoo! Finally getting my Pi! Expected shipment: Mid-June
[10:02] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, I didn't expect that to do anything
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[10:03] <phoque> does anybody else have the problem that you can't reboot the Raspi too quickly/from time to time?
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> what do you mean by that?
[10:03] <phoque> pulling the plug and putting it back within 5-10 seconds prevents mine to boot properly
[10:03] <ShiftPlusOne> ah yes
[10:03] <phoque> I have to leave it unplugged for a few seconds for the OK light to start flashing
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> is it connected to a hub?
[10:04] <ShiftPlusOne> *powered* hub
[10:05] <phoque> USB or Ethernet?
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[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> usb
[10:05] <phoque> USB: no, Ethernet: yes
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[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> give it some time to discharge everything. I've had problems like that, but it has only happened a few times.
[10:05] <phoque> I think unplugging the Ethernet as well did help a bit
[10:05] <ShiftPlusOne> I was just asking about the hub just incase it's back-feed from the hub.
[10:05] <phoque> yeah, I guessed that
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[10:05] <phoque> some parts not being fully discharged or so
[10:05] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: http://i.imgur.com/xCvlf.jpg crappy ipod camera
[10:06] <phoque> it's fine if it's a known "problem"
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[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> phoque, first time hearing of it (other than experiencing it a few times)
[10:06] <phoque> ShiftPlusOne, ok :-)
[10:06] <phoque> djazz, that's weird... trying to mount rootfs from NFS or Floppy?
[10:06] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, yeah, it's just not finding a filesystem on root
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> check your cmdline.txt
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[10:07] <djazz> "dwc_otg.dma_enable=1 dwc_otg.dma_burst_size=256"
[10:07] <djazz> thats all
[10:07] <djazz> i remember it had more ;o
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, you're missing root=....
[10:07] <djazz> great
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> and the rest of it
[10:07] <djazz> giimie anyone?
[10:07] <ShiftPlusOne> hang on i'll paste mine
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[10:08] <ShiftPlusOne> unless someone pastes theirs first.... pi is booting
[10:08] <phoque> This one is from Openelec: boot=/dev/mmcblk0p1 disk=/dev/mmcblk0p2 ssh quiet
[10:08] <djazz> it doesnt matter if its from an Arch/Debian right?
[10:08] <phoque> just to give you an idea what it looks like
[10:08] <ShiftPlusOne> nuh, don't use openelec
[10:08] <phoque> yeah, you should use the one from your distribution
[10:08] <djazz> I tried http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Can_only_get_800x480_resolution_in_LXDE_.28Arch_linux.29 but wanted to undo
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 console=ttyAMA0 smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext3 rootwait
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> I added smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> you may not need it
[10:09] <ShiftPlusOne> the important part that you're missing is root=/dev/mmcblk0p2
[10:10] <ShiftPlusOne> console=ttyAMA0 is just for serial, and since you're not using it, you don't need that either.
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[10:10] <djazz> "echo" replaces content in a file?
[10:10] <djazz> with ">"
[10:10] <phoque> yes
[10:10] <phoque> but so does vim
[10:11] <phoque> :-D
[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> echo just echoes the text into stdout. '>' pipes stdout to a file (replacing what's there already)
[10:12] <ShiftPlusOne> but I am just being pedantic
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[10:13] <KrnlPanic> ShiftPlusOne: If I remember (been a long time) doesn't '>>' append stdout to an existing file also?
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[10:13] <Mowi> morning
[10:13] <KrnlPanic> G'd morning, Mowi
[10:13] <ShiftPlusOne> KrnlPanic, yup =)
[10:14] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: shouldnt it be ext4?
[10:14] <KrnlPanic> ShiftPlusOne: Thanks.. kind of rusty.. RPi is going to be a blast when it finally gets here!
[10:14] <ShiftPlusOne> depends on what you've got going on, probably ext4, but I was playing around with multiboot, so my setup is different from default
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[10:16] <phoque> meh, no matter what I try in config.txt, my Raspi and my Monitor won't work together for any of the settings I want
[10:16] <phoque> the default one (no config.txt) works fine
[10:16] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: get other errors now, smth about cant init SD card
[10:16] <ShiftPlusOne> phoque, did you try the tvservice thing to test supported modes
[10:17] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, got a blurry photo of that?
[10:17] <phoque> the EDID is a total mess so no modes in both groups
[10:17] <djazz> a new photo?
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[10:18] <phoque> I tried overriding the EDID but that didn't help either
[10:18] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, well it's a new error... so ... =p
[10:19] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: oh, it freezes at the SD card error
[10:19] <djazz> then the login prompt comes
[10:19] <djazz> :S
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[10:19] <djazz> its working *yay*
[10:19] <ShiftPlusOne> you don't have console=tty1 in cmdline, I take it?
[10:20] <ShiftPlusOne> phoque, sorry, not sure what this EDID business you're talking about is, so you probably know more than I do.
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[10:20] <phoque> ShiftPlusOne, the monitor tells your graphics card what modes it supports using the EDID
[10:21] <phoque> if the EDID is broken, the graphics card will either be confused or refuse to recognise the monitor at all
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, if you don't have console=tty1 in cmdline, you don't get the boot sequence output going to the display, so it looks like it freezes to you, until it's done booting and the login prompt comes up.
[10:21] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: i had two console= with different values
[10:21] <djazz> but i still see the SD card errors
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> is one of them tty1?
[10:21] <djazz> yea
[10:21] <djazz> removed the other one
[10:21] <ShiftPlusOne> ah ok, no idea then
[10:21] <djazz> (the latter)
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> phoque, got it
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[10:22] <djazz> "dwc_otg.lpm_enable=0 console=tty1 root=/dev/mmcblk0p2 rootfstype=ext4 rootwait"
[10:22] <ShiftPlusOne> yeah, that looks good
[10:22] <djazz> i remember it was more initally
[10:23] <djazz> smth with value 256
[10:23] <djazz> where are the docs for this file..
[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> it's just kernel arguments
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[10:24] <ShiftPlusOne> http://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt but most of these won't be applicable
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[10:26] <djazz> aha dwc_otg.dma_burst_size=256
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[10:28] <djazz> ShiftPlusOne: yay no more SD errors
[10:28] <djazz> thx
[10:28] <djazz> !
[10:29] <oldman> Element 14 are now selling usb dongles for Rpi. How do you enter an encrytion key? The software supplied is for windows.
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[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> djazz, nice, I'll try that one myself, thanks.
[10:30] <ShiftPlusOne> oldman, link?
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[10:32] <GabrialDestruir> I guess Ubuntu isn't a reliable goto distro anymore, sure as heck doesn't appear to be stable in Virtualbox now. -sighs-
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[10:32] <oldman> ShiftPlusOne:http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/search/productListing.jsp?SKUS=1494749,1019951,1019952,2088256,2085464,1734942,1734943,1734944,2056745,2056746,1734894,1734895,1277668,1734852,3934240,2081770,1961440,2081765,2081762,1782313,1782314,1782315,1782316,2081767
[10:33] <oldman> ShiftPlusOne : sorry about that link
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[10:33] <phoque> hm, is it possible to run Hexxeh's rpi-update on openelec?
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> what's the par number?
[10:33] <ShiftPlusOne> phoque, nope
[10:33] <phoque> I only have one SD card and don't want to trash everything
[10:34] <phoque> bugger
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[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> phoque, openelec runs from ram, very little is saved (just the stuff you've got on the storage partition)
[10:34] <ShiftPlusOne> you can be rest assured that everything in openelec is nice and fresh, as long as the build itself is fresh.
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[10:35] <ShiftPlusOne> It's being updated to fast, that you'd be silly not to update every other day anyway.
[10:35] <oldman> ShiftPlusOne: 1961440
[10:36] <Crenn-NAS> My case is now red cardboard :D
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> oldman, that's fine, linux has it's own ways to deal with wpa and wep, you don't need third party software (other than wpa_supplicant maybe)
[10:37] <ShiftPlusOne> so as long as the chipset is supported, it's fine.
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[10:38] <phoque> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/76927/CIMG0034.jpg
[10:38] <phoque> that's mine :-)
[10:38] <blkhawk> thats pretty
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[10:38] <blkhawk> how is the board attached?
[10:39] <phoque> using little pieces of acrylic
[10:39] <oldman> ShiftPlusOne: So there is a package in Rpi repo or on the Debian image to deal with the wireless connectio and driver
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[10:39] <phoque> both plates have round holes for the screws and square holes for the little acrylic pieces
[10:39] <ShiftPlusOne> oldman, yup.
[10:39] <oldman> Ok thanks
[10:40] <ShiftPlusOne> nw
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[10:40] <neofutur> but I cant find the chipset on http://uk.farnell.com/micronext/mn-wd552b/dongle-usb-802-11n-nano-size/dp/1961440
[10:41] <neofutur> not even ind ( pdf grrr ) "Technical Data Sheet "
[10:41] <ShiftPlusOne> would be a little surprised if it wasn't supported
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[10:42] <blkhawk> ShiftPlusOne: erm there are lots of wlan adapters with bad support
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[10:42] <neofutur> ShiftPlusOne: but some chipsets are better than others for linux
[10:42] <the_cuckoo> phoque: if you're building your own openelec, i have a script which should safely update your card after a build - preserves the current partitioning if it's already correct - http://pastebin.com/b0dF7d7n - probably not any use to anyone but me, but you're welcome to it if you want (but use it at your own risk :))
[10:42] <ShiftPlusOne> what's bad support?
[10:42] <neofutur> and a "Technical Data Sheet " not even telling the chipset . . . grrr
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[10:43] <phoque> the_cuckoo, interesting, thanks!
[10:43] <the_cuckoo> np
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[10:43] <phoque> I am thinking about updating the firmware first, though; its from sometime mid-may
[10:43] <neofutur> imo, anything not having a native driver
[10:44] <ShiftPlusOne> neofutur, I haven't run into problems yet. Some are EASIER to get working, but I haven't run into any dongles which just don't work.
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[10:44] <the_cuckoo> phoque: you need to run it in the openelec dir - suggest you copy it to there, chmod +x whateveryouwanttocallit and then run sudo ./whateveryouwanttocallit /dev/whateveryourdevnameis :)
[10:45] <neofutur> i try to avoid any wifi needing ndiswrapper
[10:45] <ShiftPlusOne> bleh... ndiswrapper >=/
[10:45] <neofutur> meaning getting a windows "binary" firmware
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[10:46] <ShiftPlusOne> the_cuckoo, did you write that script?
[10:46] <the_cuckoo> ShiftPlusOne: yup
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[10:49] <phoque> I need more SD cards :-/
[10:51] <ShiftPlusOne> the_cuckoo, shouldn't cmdline's disk parameter be set depending on what disk $device2 actually is?
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[10:52] <ShiftPlusOne> (if I am understanding the script correctly)
[10:52] <the_cuckoo> ShiftPlusOne: quite possibly - i just took the pointers from the openelec wiki on that one - feel free to modify if you think it's wrong - i'd be happy for any corrections anyway :)
[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> line 107: echo "boot=$device1 disk=$device2 ssh quiet" > cmdline.txt
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[10:53] <ShiftPlusOne> that seems a little more cromulent to me anyway, I may be wrong
[10:54] <ShiftPlusOne> oh wait nuh, I see what you did there, ignore that
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[10:54] <the_cuckoo> ah - gotcha, nah - what they see as dev names are different to what my linux build box sees
[10:55] <ShiftPlusOne> I thought you were taking into account different partition tables (for example storage being on /dev/mmcblk0p4)
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[10:56] <the_cuckoo> not sure how i would do the mapping if they aren't as i expect them to be - System on $device1 and Storage on $device2 - should be possible to make it more flexible though
[10:56] <Crenn-NAS> http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81/crenn/Projects/RaspPi/120604/DSCF1743.jpg This is my case. It's a punnet case ;D
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[10:57] <ShiftPlusOne> Crenn-NAS, looks good
[10:58] <Crenn-NAS> Yeah
[10:58] <Crenn-NAS> Added a RPi logo to the top :D
[10:59] <Crenn-NAS> Also removed the "This is the outside base" on the bottom
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[11:01] <mythos> is there somewhere a pattern which can be printed (for this paper-box)?
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[11:03] <bolosaur> noooo!
[11:03] <bolosaur> They're all out of pi. :(
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[11:05] <[deXter]> So what's new?
[11:05] <mythos> isn't pi endless? ;)
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[11:07] <frankivo> bolosaur: ?
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[11:07] <Anppa> is it out yet?
[11:07] <bolosaur> frankivo: Last time I checked the two suppliersr of pi were out?
[11:07] <bolosaur> oh wait yes
[11:07] <frankivo> well yes
[11:07] <bolosaur> silly me, it was preorders
[11:07] <Anppa> no, wait... make it "are they out still"
[11:08] <bolosaur> but i recall reading somewhere that
[11:08] <bolosaur> the pi had been released?
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[11:08] <frankivo> there are quite some people who have one, yes
[11:08] <Crenn-NAS> mythos: Yes!
[11:09] <mythos> Crenn-NAS, yes, pi is endless or yes, there is printable pattern available? ;)
[11:09] <Crenn-NAS> mythos: http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6424&start=50
[11:09] <Crenn-NAS> Printable pattern available ;P
[11:10] <mythos> Crenn-NAS, thanks! =)
[11:10] <Crenn-NAS> Not a problem ^-^
[11:10] <bolosaur> That's awesome.
[11:10] <bolosaur> frankivo: So I could get a pi today?
[11:10] <frankivo> no :P
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[11:11] <Anppa> there's one on ebay :]
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[11:11] <bolosaur> damn it
[11:11] <bolosaur> I WANT ONE NOW
[11:11] <Anppa> GBP77
[11:11] <bolosaur> i want to run a home server and VCN to it from wrok :(
[11:11] <bolosaur> work*
[11:12] <frankivo> bolosaur: join the club :P
[11:14] <Crenn-NAS> bolosaur: You'll have to find someone who's selling
[11:14] <Crenn-NAS> And probably offer a pretty penny
[11:14] <ShiftPlusOne> I'll sell you one for $150 =D
[11:15] <bolosaur> Sure.
[11:15] <bolosaur> Send me the pi, and I'll send you the money.
[11:15] <Crenn-NAS> ShiftPlusOne: I'll sell you mine for a million spacebucks
[11:15] <ShiftPlusOne> ... ebay
[11:15] <bolosaur> .notice ShiftPlusOne dude, im going to scam this guy out of his pi
[11:15] <bolosaur> er..............
[11:15] <frankivo> aww
[11:15] <bolosaur> double fail....
[11:16] <bolosaur> ;)
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
[11:16] <bolosaur> Jokes aside, when will they produce a new batch?
[11:16] <bolosaur> I mean, is that why they're out?
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> bolosaur, it's in constant production
[11:16] <bolosaur> Too high demand?
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> yes
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> they're not 'out', there's just a bit of a waiting list.
[11:16] <kodaws> i wonder what we'll see in pi rev C
[11:16] <ShiftPlusOne> unless you buy off ebay or a reputable seller like me.
[11:17] <bolosaur> haha
[11:17] <bolosaur> How long is the waiting?
[11:17] <egilhh> I ordered mine 2 hours after launch, and it still not in my hands...
[11:17] <ShiftPlusOne> no idea
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[11:17] <egilhh> (although they sent it almost two weeks ago. Don't know what UPS is doing, since I didn't get a tracking number)
[11:18] <frankivo> there is a waiting list on the order list
[11:18] <frankivo> so go figure :p
[11:18] <Crenn-NAS> I've been told I'm allowed to sell my RPI Model B providing I offer it for $1M, 1 million kittens and a Palomino Horse
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[11:19] <bolosaur> damn
[11:19] <mythos> you are out of palomino horses, i guess ;)
[11:19] <ShiftPlusOne> heh
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[11:21] <Crenn-Pi> Oh look, the Pi can connect to IRC ;D
[11:21] <bolosaur> argh
[11:21] <bolosaur> i hate you
[11:22] <bolosaur> :(
[11:22] <ShiftPlusOne> hmm
[11:22] <frankivo> Crenn-NAS: how about a unicorn?
[11:23] <Crenn-Pi> frankivo: I've been told it's good enough
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[11:25] <GabrialDestruir> Apparently the Limbo port for Linux is actually just Limbo on Wine -.-
[11:26] <Crenn-Pi> bolosaur: Soon enough you'll have one ^-^
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[11:26] <Crenn-Pi> You registered your interest right?
[11:27] <bolosaur> Crenn-Pi: No, I haven't. :(
[11:27] <Crenn-Pi> Gah! Why didn't you?
[11:27] <bolosaur> I only signed up for the pi newsletter I think.
[11:27] <bolosaur> Because I'm a freakin idiot, that's why.
[11:28] <frankivo> amen.
[11:28] <Crenn-Pi> Now if only there was a way of skipping the queue with e14 >.>
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[11:30] <Crenn-Pi> So who's having Raspberry Pie for dessert tonight?
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[11:30] <frankivo> lol
[11:31] <djazz> is there a video player that play .ogv file for Raspi?
[11:31] <djazz> mplayer crashes
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[11:32] <GabrialDestruir> Mmm.... Ubuntu rejecting Virtualbox Drivers... fun fun -.-
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[11:34] <Trickierstinky> hey guys
[11:36] <ShiftPlusOne> 'morning
[11:36] <frankivo> GabrialDestruir: hmm?
[11:37] <Trickierstinky> what are people up to and this fine Jubilee day :P
[11:37] <Trickierstinky> day* :P
[11:39] <Crenn-NAS> Trickierstinky: Having my neck seize so I can only look left
[11:39] <Trickierstinky> lol
[11:39] <Trickierstinky> anybody tried darkelec yet?
[11:41] <bolosaur> Are there any good pi alternatives out as of now?
[11:41] <bolosaur> Maybe I could buy that instead while waiting for the pi to arrive
[11:42] <jaakkos> depends what exactly you're looking for :) http://www.bifferos.co.uk/ (it's older than Pi)
[11:42] <Trickierstinky> the only one I have seen is the beagle board, but seems to cost a fair bit more
[11:43] <nid0> via have one on the way but that also is not available to buy right now
[11:43] <bolosaur> Hm alright
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir> lol, I was trying to see if I could run games in a virtual ubuntu VM, yet it causes the VBox graphics to crash, which means it's pointless. lol
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[11:44] <frankivo> GabrialDestruir: windows host?
[11:44] <GabrialDestruir> Yea
[11:45] <frankivo> when does it crash?
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[11:45] <GabrialDestruir> On one of the games, they graphics crashed as it started, the other was when I killed it.
[11:45] <bolosaur> GabrialDestruir: Which games?
[11:46] <bolosaur> I play a lot of games on VMs quite perfectly, but I don't think they utilize hardware acceleration
[11:46] <GabrialDestruir> Limbo and Swords and Sworcery
[11:46] <bolosaur> or maybe they do, though partly?
[11:46] <bolosaur> aha
[11:46] <GabrialDestruir> So I wasn't really expecting them to run anyways xD
[11:46] <bolosaur> I'm quite sure VM gfx cards are software
[11:46] <bolosaur> which might be the reason
[11:46] <GabrialDestruir> Most likely. lol
[11:46] <bolosaur> Well dude, I play WoW in virtualized Windows 7
[11:46] <frankivo> bolosaur: vbox supports hw acceleration
[11:46] <bolosaur> from an OSX host machine
[11:46] <bolosaur> on a macbook pro
[11:46] <bolosaur> :)
[11:46] <bolosaur> so im sure you could run games as well
[11:47] <bolosaur> frankivo: Cool.
[11:47] <bolosaur> I use VMware Fusion myself.
[11:48] <Trickierstinky> been meaning to ask, anyone got a working version of mame the raspi yet?
[11:49] <GabrialDestruir> I don't think they've gotten there yet, last I heard they were working on mednefna or w/e
[11:50] <Trickierstinky> thats a shame had a lovely coffee table machine planned, but guess that will just be on hold for now
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[11:55] <bolosaur> wait
[11:55] <bolosaur> pi cant run mame?
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[11:55] <chancellorsmith> gordonDrogon: you in ?
[11:55] <bolosaur> why not?
[11:55] <GabrialDestruir> Might just need a port? I'm not sure if it does or not or if anyone has tested it.
[11:55] <chancellorsmith> your excellent guide i keep referring back to it https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[11:55] <bolosaur> I mean, doesn't pi typically run on like
[11:55] <bolosaur> lubuntu?
[11:55] <GabrialDestruir> Nope
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[11:55] <chancellorsmith> to repartition and release the extra space to root on the card
[11:55] <chancellorsmith> exclellent
[11:55] <GabrialDestruir> Debian Wheezy and such....
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> one question (to anyone) re the swap
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> is it ok to come back and do the swap file at any time ?
[11:56] <nid0> yes
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> it can be done later on - that right ?
[11:56] <nid0> you can just not bother with the swap at all if you'd rather
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[11:56] <chancellorsmith> xclnt - thanks
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> thought so
[11:56] <nid0> it isnt that essential, but you might have memory problems if you try doing anything particularly challenging
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> is it like a "page file " in windows
[11:56] <nid0> yes
[11:56] <chancellorsmith> i mean it's a large temp file in effect
[11:57] <chancellorsmith> and as such I could create it any time later
[11:57] <bolosaur> Man wouldn't it be possible to attach like
[11:57] <bolosaur> a tiny keyboard to one's pi
[11:57] <bolosaur> and maybe even a mouse nub
[11:58] <nid0> ofc
[11:58] <bolosaur> wouldnt that be awesome
[11:59] <chancellorsmith> lots of warnings in the packaging about not powering Pi off of other devices USB ports???..works fine for me though??? what do others think ?
[11:59] <chancellorsmith> warnings relate to system stability rather than damaging it
[11:59] <chancellorsmith> but it's stable for me
[11:59] <chancellorsmith> maybe i should use a volt meter on the test points and see what it reads
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> chancellorsmith, morning!
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[12:01] <chancellorsmith> morning.
[12:02] <chancellorsmith> been using your guide yet again, always good, eeks out the extra space of an 8gig card (in microSD adapter)
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[12:03] <chancellorsmith> leaves me with circa 6 gig (arch)
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> great!
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> what to do with all that space though ;-)
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[12:08] <chancellorsmith> good point.
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir> Wow... my cd player for my laptop just sounds terrible.... .-.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> USB powering from another PC - in theory not possible as USB ports are supposed to be limited to 100mA unless the device negotiates with the host and asks for more power...
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[12:08] <GabrialDestruir> I just bought a 16GB USB drive for my Pi
[12:08] <chancellorsmith> hmmm, working for me right now off of my sinology NAS
[12:08] <GabrialDestruir> not sure what to use it for yet xD
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> however (presumably to save cost) from what I've seen most host ports don't bother with the negotiation hardware ...
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> I have powered a Pi off my desktop.
[12:09] <Trickierstinky> tell you what, liking this darkelec install! easiest way I have found to get airplay working :D
[12:09] <GabrialDestruir> darkelec?
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> right now I have a Pi being powered by a Jawbone charger - rated at 700mA.
[12:10] <Trickierstinky> http://darkimmortal.com/2012/05/darkelec-raspberry-pi-optimised-openelec-fork/
[12:11] <chancellorsmith> i've got a 1gig SD card here - any .img files for it ? 2 gig seems the norm?
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[12:12] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder if my CD drive got damaged in the accident that broke my laptops screen and keyboard .-.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> I've not looked at any of the media type things yet. (not even for a desktop)
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> GabrialDestruir, er... what do you think...!
[12:12] <GabrialDestruir> Hmm... optimised eh...
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> I only have an old flatscreen tube TV anyway...
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[12:14] <GabrialDestruir> Eh the first couple sound great.... but all the wifi stuff seems pointless for people without wifi, just more stuff to take up resources?
[12:16] <Trickierstinky> I suppose, but for a quick install to get airplay up and running I'm really liking it. Gives a use to my 2nd PI until I can think of another project
[12:16] <blkhawk> boy
[12:16] <blkhawk> i have projects for half a dozend pis
[12:16] <Markavian> same
[12:16] <blkhawk> lets see
[12:16] <Trickierstinky> fancy sharing most are out of my skill set I'm thinking off
[12:17] <GabrialDestruir> Sounds fine now that it's running a dvd.... but the ubuntu CD it just burned it sounded just horrible..... like it was repeatedly stopping and starting.
[12:17] <Trickierstinky> any dust or scrathes on the disc?
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[12:18] <blkhawk> web radio replacement (the od one eats more power), car boardcomputer, a vitual window implementation using a kinect, monitoring for a domestic solar power installation
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[12:18] <blkhawk> a youtube autoplay box
[12:19] <GabrialDestruir> Nope, brand new, which is why it's weird.
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[12:19] <blkhawk> that plays the most populat videos
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[12:19] <blkhawk> inteligence for my roomba
[12:19] <Trickierstinky> that youtube one sounds cool, and the web radio replacement that streaming or broadcasting?
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[12:19] <GabrialDestruir> youtube what?
[12:19] <blkhawk> streaming - the radio uses a dockstar right now
[12:20] <GabrialDestruir> Oh hmm...
[12:20] <blkhawk> let me get a pic
[12:20] <Trickierstinky> ahh right cool
[12:20] <blkhawk> https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/W9BWBTcgDwu_KhgIrVKvCK_-XP0M-SQp_1eyFQM-Udc?feat=directlink
[12:20] <blkhawk> here
[12:20] <Trickierstinky> gabrialdestruir: you tried another burn? could be a defect in the disc Ie warped slightly
[12:21] <Trickierstinky> blkhawk: thats cool
[12:21] <blkhawk> ya
[12:21] <blkhawk> the dovkstar isn't 100% stable tho
[12:21] <GabrialDestruir> I suppose.... but no I haven't tried another burn cause other than that sound it seems to be running fine.
[12:21] <blkhawk> and the keys turned out to be iffy
[12:21] <Trickierstinky> see I have no creative flair to think of anything like that
[12:21] <blkhawk> i hope a gpio driven button will work better
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[12:22] <blkhawk> GabrialDestruir: the youtube idea would grab the highest rated youtube clips for a time period then play em in a loop
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[12:22] <blkhawk> without sound
[12:22] <Trickierstinky> thats does sound a cool project, got a blog or anything? wouldn't mind keeping tabs on your project?
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[12:23] <blkhawk> ah well I had one but I hosted it on a homeserver thats offline (permanently) bow
[12:23] <blkhawk> I had mostly arduino based stuff on there
[12:24] <blkhawk> another idea is to mount the Pi to my quadcopter
[12:24] <Trickierstinky> ahh right, shame also love arduino stuff aswell
[12:25] <blkhawk> i made a "talking" clock a few years ago
[12:25] <GabrialDestruir> I think option sound would be ideal.... and a way to move backwards and forwards through a clip. That way if you saw something interesting you could unmute rewind it
[12:25] <blkhawk> after seeing the design online
[12:25] <Trickierstinky> nice
[12:25] <blkhawk> GabrialDestruir: yes thats would be an option
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[12:28] <Trickierstinky> blkhawk: I guess the youtube box would have a 7" or similar display as well?
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[12:29] <blkhawk> ya
[12:29] <blkhawk> tho i thought about implementing it as "mode" for the virtual window
[12:30] <Trickierstinky> sorry, mode?
[12:30] <blkhawk> it all depends on how much cpu power the kinect needs to let me locate the head of a person
[12:31] <blkhawk> Trickierstinky: the hardware setup for the "virtual" windows and the youtuble player could be similar
[12:31] <blkhawk> a 16:9 tv mounted vertically
[12:31] <Trickierstinky> oh right ok
[12:32] <blkhawk> i thought about a small youtube player too
[12:32] <blkhawk> say 7" or so yes
[12:32] <Trickierstinky> all I can say is where do you get your ideas, and what ever it is send some my way :P all I can think of is a mame coffee table and airplay device
[12:32] <blkhawk> i might use the raspberry dsi interface there
[12:33] <blkhawk> the airplay device i already have - my webradio does that to ;)
[12:33] <Trickierstinky> nice
[12:33] <blkhawk> well to be honest this is all stuff i either did before
[12:33] <blkhawk> but not to my satisfaction
[12:34] <blkhawk> or that I shelved due to a lack of hardware
[12:34] <blkhawk> for instance the vistual window implementation somebody did used a wiimote + sensor bar + a powermac to drive the display
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[12:35] <GabrialDestruir> I wonder how well you could play video games like WoW or D3 or w/e using the Pi as a relay, like via vnc or something
[12:36] <chancellorsmith> best ip for a pi ?
[12:36] <chancellorsmith> 192.168.3.14 ?
[12:36] <GabrialDestruir> lol
[12:36] <chancellorsmith> hahaha.. oh dear - will get my coat
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[12:37] <Helios> Is the rasp pi any good?
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> Yup
[12:38] <chancellorsmith> nah
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> very tasaty
[12:38] <Helios> Main thing is this: Can it download porn off the internet?
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> tasty*
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> No flash
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> :p
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[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> But I suppose if you could get a XBMC plugin or something it'd work.
[12:38] <GabrialDestruir> Or used torrents
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[12:39] <mythos> no, the pi is for educational purpose only. so downloading pr0n is not possible
[12:39] <egilhh> GabrialDestruir: he obviously wants flesh, not flash...
[12:39] <GabrialDestruir> The Pi software is hardcoded for anti-porn
[12:39] <GabrialDestruir> :p
[12:39] <mythos> that's right!
[12:39] <Trickierstinky> mythos: surely examining the naked body can be classed educational :P
[12:39] <Helios> Well then the raspberry pi is crap then, I'll stick with my laptop and arduino thank you very much!
[12:39] <Skrotus> not even ascii porn?
[12:39] <blkhawk> the only porn llowed is ascii porn
[12:39] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, I'd not try to control a quadcopter directly with a Pi ...
[12:40] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: lol
[12:40] <Helios> At least I can arduino my vibrator
[12:40] <blkhawk> of course not
[12:40] <Helios> :P
[12:40] <blkhawk> I would use the raspberry as navboard
[12:40] <blkhawk> Helios: its called teledildonics
[12:41] <Helios> LOL it is as well
[12:42] <chancellorsmith> sd card adapters - bit flaky for me ? anyone else ?
[12:42] <blkhawk> the rpi would do thinks like accumulating gps data or maybe handle optical based navigation via a horizon-finder or webcam
[12:42] <blkhawk> chancellorsmith: they work for me
[12:42] <chancellorsmith> having mixed results here now failing to boot - red light
[12:43] <blkhawk> i wonder if there are half-sized micxrosd to sdcard adapters
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[12:44] <reider59> << Just putting Quake 3 back on, wiped the SD Card last night after an experiment with sound went wrong and locked it up
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[12:47] <Trickierstinky> you think a screen for a htc hd2 would work on pu?
[12:47] <Trickierstinky> pi?
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[12:47] <blkhawk> http://elinux.org/Rpi_Screens#interfacing_to_Raw_LCD_panels
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[12:48] <blkhawk> An additional binary blob might be required for the DSI port to function correctly (or function at all). When or if such a blob will be made available is unknown.
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[12:49] <Trickierstinky> ahh right
[12:50] <blkhawk> ok my pi as run bearly 8 hours with the insane init_emmc_clock setting
[12:50] <blkhawk> not one mmc error in dmesg
[12:50] <blkhawk> and the seed is nice:
[12:50] <blkhawk> Timing buffered disk reads: 40 MB in 3.14 seconds = 12.74 MB/sec
[12:50] <blkhawk> *speed
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[12:56] <phoque> hm, parted won't let me move the swap partition on my SD card :-/
[12:57] <jaakkos> you can just remove it and recreate it later if you feel you need it
[12:57] <blkhawk> ya
[12:57] <jaakkos> (or create a swap file instead)
[12:57] <blkhawk> I prefer a swapfile myself ;)
[12:57] <phoque> ah
[12:58] <phoque> I was one block too far back
[12:58] <phoque> :-D
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> phoque, delete the swap part.
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> phoque, if running debian the nyou can do this: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> although bits of it will work on other distros.
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[13:04] <phoque> somebody needs to come up with a piece of code that makes the Raspi change its MAC adress depending on what SD card is inside
[13:04] <phoque> so that it gets different IP's for different OSes
[13:04] <phoque> and my SSH won't complain
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[13:06] <frankivo> phoque: can't you just copy keys across the SD's?
[13:06] <the_cuckoo> phoque: can't you specify a mac address in the boot script?
[13:09] <phoque> frankivo, isn't that a bit ugly?
[13:09] <phoque> the_cuckoo, maybe :-)
[13:09] <phoque> I mean the point of a key/signature is to be unique
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[13:10] <the_cuckoo> after digging in google, this is the closest i found: smsc95xx.macaddr=08:00:28:00:60:01
[13:10] <the_cuckoo> from http://archlinuxarm.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1111&start=40
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[13:11] <jaakkos> something like ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00`ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/ | grep sda1 | md5sum | head -c 10` :)
[13:15] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: read the inital setup thing - your filesystem opptions are suboptimal
[13:15] <blkhawk> use relatime
[13:15] <blkhawk> and you can leave off the nodiratime
[13:16] <blkhawk> its included in noatimr/relatime
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, I always wondered about nodiratime
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> will read up on relatime.
[13:17] <blkhawk> its basically slightly slower than noatime
[13:17] <blkhawk> but more compatible with programs that rely on atime like mutt
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> yea, but who is going to run anything on a Pi that actually need atime ...
[13:17] <blkhawk> unlikely yes
[13:17] <blkhawk> as for the diratime - just grep the kernel for it
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> I've used noatime for quite some years on all my PCs/servers..
[13:18] <blkhawk> ya me too
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[13:18] <blkhawk> but then i learned that nodiratime is without use
[13:18] <blkhawk> and on ext4 its better to use relatime
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[13:18] <Domin> hia :-)
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> if no atime implies nodiratime then that's better.
[13:19] <blkhawk> actually i use relatime,data=writeback,barrier=0,nobh
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> also more about reducing number of writes to the SD though
[13:19] <blkhawk> but i risk some dataloss there
[13:19] <blkhawk> it reduces journaling writes to the sd tho
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> will do some more research.
[13:20] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: did you try the config.txt thing for sd card speed?
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[13:25] <nid0> did someone come up with a way to raise sd freq?
[13:26] <blkhawk> uh
[13:26] <blkhawk> nope
[13:26] <blkhawk> aside from my isane config
[13:26] <shirro> blkhawk: what did you get your emmc clock up to in the end?
[13:26] <blkhawk> workedfine for 8 hours
[13:26] <blkhawk> 240mhz is nice and stable
[13:26] <blkhawk> I doubt it sets the clock to that
[13:26] <shirro> mine panicked at 260
[13:27] <blkhawk> i think the emmc clock gets clamped to 80mhz
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[13:27] <blkhawk> but the devider gets calculated based on the value you give
[13:27] <shirro> well it does something. because hdparm goes nuts
[13:28] <blkhawk> so you end up with 20+mhz sd clock
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[13:29] <shirro> I was getting around 10MB/s at 200Mhz but I decided to go back to 160. The same card on the arm board next to it does 15MB/s with hdparm
[13:30] <blkhawk> if you set it too high the card goes too high for the mode and then it throws errors
[13:30] <Trickierstinky> this all sound very foreign to me, god i need to up my geek game!
[13:30] <blkhawk> i read a board posting by somebody who attached an scope to the sdcard clock line and found that it is driven far below the 20mhz it should be driven at
[13:31] <blkhawk> Trickierstinky: if you are feeling adventureus try setting this in your config.txt:
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[13:32] <phoque> ah, man
[13:32] <blkhawk> init_emmc_clock=240000000
[13:32] <shirro> it must be doing something very damn inneficiently to need to clock it up like that though. In the end I can get just over 2/3 of what a normal arm SoC can do by running it completely out of spec
[13:32] <blkhawk> it gets me 12mb/sec data on the sd card
[13:32] <phoque> debian6-17-02-2012.img is not 2 days older than debian6-19-04-2012.img
[13:32] <phoque> :-D
[13:32] <blkhawk> shirro: again i do not think we are really clocking that high
[13:32] <blkhawk> there is some formula that allies a divider wrongly
[13:32] <blkhawk> and thus causes slow sdcard perfomance
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, didn't know therewas a config.txt thing for SD speed!
[13:33] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: its a very insane setting
[13:33] <mjr> blkhawk, sounds like a plausible explanation
[13:33] <shirro> gordonDrogon: You can comfortable double it. Triple is on the margine
[13:33] <blkhawk> if it were setting ehat it looks like it does
[13:33] <Trickierstinky> lets give it a try then :P it's not going to blow up is it lol
[13:34] <shirro> I thought I had killed my sd card at one stage
[13:34] <blkhawk> worst you will see are a lot of mmc errors while booting
[13:34] <blkhawk> in that case deduct 40mhz and try again
[13:34] <Trickierstinky> blkhawk: where is it? all I have is cmdline.txt and issue.img
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[13:34] <shirro> blkhawk: I get errors at boot but not after at a sensible setting. But I sometimes get them anyway
[13:35] * gordonDrogon boggles
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> root@pi0:/home/gordon# hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> /dev/mmcblk0:
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Timing cached reads: 170 MB in 2.01 seconds = 84.72 MB/sec
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Timing buffered disk reads: 40 MB in 3.16 seconds = 12.67 MB/sec
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> 240000000 is a 3x speedup...
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[13:38] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: quite amazing yes
[13:38] <blkhawk> i had it running for 8 hours without a single mmc error
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> hasn't made my compiles any faster though, but I suspect they're more cpu bound anyway.
[13:38] <blkhawk> I imagine the spped you can set varies from card to card and we are just doing manually what usually happpens automatically
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> that's with a sandisk ultra C6 card.
[13:39] <blkhawk> class 10 trancend here
[13:39] <blkhawk> i get 16mb/sec writes with a sd card reader
[13:40] <blkhawk> anyway i think this will do nicely until the driver gets rewritten or fixed
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> I don't have a separate reader - both my laptops have built ins. One is very very slow though - 2MB/sec )-: I suspect it's all bit-banged.
[13:40] <shirro> Now I want better usb
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> it's quite an old laptop though.
[13:40] <blkhawk> probably via an ltp port ;)
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> mmc0: SDHCI controller on PCI [0000:08:01.2] using PIO
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> that's on the slow laptop
[13:41] <blkhawk> Trickierstinky: did you find it?
[13:41] <blkhawk> pio?
[13:41] <blkhawk> wow
[13:42] <blkhawk> i remember PIO mode 0 drives :D
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> yea, about that speed too!
[13:42] <Trickierstinky> blkhawk: sorry no
[13:43] <blkhawk> ah
[13:43] <blkhawk> it should be in /boot
[13:43] <blkhawk> or you see it when access ing the sdcard from windows
[13:43] <blkhawk> if it isn't there just create it
[13:43] <blkhawk> and add
[13:43] <blkhawk> init_emmc_clock=240000000
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[13:43] <Trickierstinky> kool will do that I just couldn't see it on windows thanks
[13:43] <blkhawk> plus a newline
[13:44] <blkhawk> again - config.txt in /boot
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[13:44] <blkhawk> or in the main directory when accessing the card from windows
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[13:44] <Trickierstinky> right booting up my first pi with that :P
[13:46] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: do you oberclock the cpu?
[13:46] <Trickierstinky> how can i tell its reading the file?
[13:46] <mythos> cat /proc/cpuinfo or benchmarking, i guess
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[13:47] <blkhawk> nooo
[13:48] <blkhawk> run
[13:48] <blkhawk> hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0
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[13:51] <Trickierstinky> /dev/mmcblk0:
[13:51] <Trickierstinky> Timing cached reads: 140 MB in 2.01 seconds = 69.73 MB/sec
[13:51] <Trickierstinky> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.20 seconds = 4.38 MB/sec
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[13:51] <Trickierstinky> that good :P
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[13:54] <Trickierstinky> so to set this back to original clocking whats the best way? delete the file? just want to compare?
[13:54] <blkhawk> just edit the file
[13:54] * SpeedEvil wishes he'd bought 2 SDs.
[13:55] <bootc> Trickierstinky: renaming the file would do, though remember to reboot
[13:55] <blkhawk> set a # before init_emmc_clock
[13:55] <Trickierstinky> ok thanks
[13:55] * SpeedEvil wishes there wasn't a stupid royal event delaying his SD arriving.
[13:55] <SpeedEvil> I'd be OK if it was Charles funeral.
[13:55] <IT_Sean> :p
[13:56] <IT_Sean> postie pat take the day off?
[13:56] <blkhawk> SpeedEvil: that must be torture - having the unoptaniumish raspberry and alll thats missing is a dinky sd card
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> Sorry - that was inappropriate.
[13:56] <bootc> I didn't realise changing the clock rate would make such a difference, I wonder if that means the SDHC driver doesn't realise the clock runs faster
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> Charles's.
[13:56] <blkhawk> bootc: I think it gets clamped to 80mhz
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> blkhawk, yes, overclocking to 900MHz + 500MHz SDRAM.
[13:56] <Trickierstinky> thats strange the file is no longer there...
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: I have even rarer stuff.
[13:56] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: nokia n950.
[13:56] <blkhawk> and a second place is calculating the sd card speed not with that value but with the value from the config.txt
[13:57] <bootc> something we'll have to keep in mind when we get to rewriting the SDHC driver
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> The phone they were too afraid to release.
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[13:57] <blkhawk> SpeedEvil: I have a prototype n770
[13:57] <SpeedEvil> hah :)
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> oh? if the n950 had a keyboard and maps I'd have bought it... maybe. because the n900 never got proper maps I got well annoyed with it.
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> You cannot buy the n950. It wasn't sold.
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> I know.
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> It has a keyboard.
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> And maps.
[13:58] <blkhawk> bootc: I suggest a set config.txt options that lets one set the sd card bus speed seperately from the emmc speed
[13:58] <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by 'proper' maps?
[13:58] <IT_Sean> Somebody please tell my laptop that Bluescreening on a monday morning is just not right.
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> but if they had sold it I'd very probably have bought it.
[13:58] <blkhawk> overriding the dividers
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[13:58] <bootc> blkhawk: config.txt affects only the bootloader
[13:59] <haltdef> n900 successor would be the best thing ever
[13:59] <bootc> well, the kernel doesn't look at it, clearly changing the clocks affects the kernel
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> It would have been the best thing ever - 2 years ago.
[13:59] <gordonDrogon> I've had all the nokia communicators since day 1, but the n900 annoyed me by not having talking navigation.
[13:59] <blkhawk> bootc: so the emmc gets initalized with a crazy value?
[13:59] <haltdef> no, it still would be
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> Now, a lot of the devs have defected over to android.
[13:59] <blkhawk> and that causes the sd speed to go up?
[13:59] <blkhawk> thats strange ^2
[13:59] <haltdef> android is pleh :/
[13:59] <bootc> blkhawk: no idea, I haven't looked at the mmc code very much at all yet
[13:59] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: yes.
[13:59] <Trickierstinky> blkhawk, the config.txt is getting removed each reboot?
[13:59] <blkhawk> bootc: I looked at the kernel mmc code a bit
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: 'ROM' culture is fucking evil.
[14:00] <haltdef> I'd imagine a lot of them would come back for a successor
[14:00] <blkhawk> Trickierstinky: it doesn't
[14:00] <SpeedEvil> haltdef: perhaps, yes.
[14:00] <haltdef> I came from windows mobile to maemo, do not miss dicking about with roms
[14:00] <haltdef> all of them sucking, just in different ways
[14:00] <blkhawk> SpeedEvil: I think itsbetter than what we had before
[14:00] <Trickierstinky> mine is no longer there after reboot, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong then
[14:00] <blkhawk> i would call that black box culture
[14:01] <blkhawk> it was so bad that a phone like the mameo looked marginally tempting
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> ROMs are pretty much black boxes, that are comprised of lots of bits of stolen software.
[14:01] <blkhawk> erm
[14:01] <blkhawk> MOKO
[14:01] <blkhawk> openmoko
[14:01] <blkhawk> looked tempting
[14:01] <blkhawk> i got nothing against mameo
[14:01] <SpeedEvil> Nokia did.
[14:02] <blkhawk> SpeedEvil: my rooted android phone is an open linux system
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[14:02] <blkhawk> i set stuff by editing a config file that runs on boot ;)
[14:02] <blkhawk> i run iptables that break google ads
[14:02] <haltdef> they didn't have anything against it, they just loved MS money more :P
[14:03] <haltdef> hopefully that decision is biting them in the ass
[14:03] <Trickierstinky> no all I'm doing is "sudo nano /boot/config.txt" > pasteing "init_emmc_clock=240000000" + newline > then reboot and file no longer there
[14:04] <SpeedEvil> blkhawk: Yes, and no. There are technical arguments about libc, and kernel, and the software stack. The more important thing is that you had to root it. And the fact that you can't generally edit the firmware at all.
[14:04] <blkhawk> SpeedEvil: rooting is fairly easy for a lot of the android devices
[14:04] <blkhawk> very littlebarrier of entry
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[14:04] <SpeedEvil> At the moment.
[14:04] <blkhawk> and a lot of people messing with stuff
[14:04] <blkhawk> yes
[14:05] <blkhawk> but its better than BEFORE
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Until bootloaders become secure.
[14:05] <blkhawk> SpeedEvil: motorola already does that
[14:05] <blkhawk> I do not buya phone with a secure bootloader
[14:05] <blkhawk> nuff said :P
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[14:06] <blkhawk> soo many devices have less and less security in them
[14:06] <blkhawk> take the kindle for instance
[14:06] <blkhawk> all it took was soldering a few pinsto the board
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[14:07] <ReggieUK> great work on the SD speedup, whoever is responsible!
[14:07] <IT_Sean> Indeed!
[14:07] <ReggieUK> is it as simple as adding that line into config.txt or is there more to it?
[14:07] * IT_Sean hands whoever was responsible a pint
[14:07] <blkhawk> nope
[14:08] <blkhawk> its exploitiga bug tho
[14:08] <ReggieUK> ppffft, there are no bugs
[14:08] <blkhawk> might stop working when the driver is fixed
[14:08] <IT_Sean> only features!
[14:08] <trevorman> be aware that setting it to 240mhz is vastly out of spec :P
[14:08] <ReggieUK> just undocumented/unexploited features
[14:08] <blkhawk> and you are welcome
[14:08] <trevorman> it should only be 50-100mhz
[14:08] <trevorman> in theory zgreg's fix is the proper one but it doesn't work for everybody
[14:08] <ReggieUK> but will 100mhz give linearly similar results?
[14:08] * trevorman shrugs
[14:09] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: yes
[14:09] <blkhawk> Somebody with a sope should test
[14:09] <ReggieUK> good to know, so you can stick within spec if you want to?
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[14:09] <blkhawk> ReggieUK: it only gets you one MB additional
[14:09] <IT_Sean> This should be documented in the forum, imo.
[14:09] <zgreg> well, all people that have issues with the patchsets apparently share the same SD card controller - the card always sits at address b368
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[14:10] <blkhawk> I have the theory that there is a bug in the emmc code where the emmc is limited to 80 or 100 mhz but the card bus is set as a fraction of the config.txt value
[14:10] <trevorman> mine does. the external branding is lexar. no idea who actually makes the controller.
[14:11] <zgreg> blkhawk: it's not a bug, the kernel assumes a certain eMMC clock, and the SD clock must be a divider of the eMMC clock
[14:11] <zgreg> that's just how the hardware works
[14:11] <ReggieUK> blkhawk, emmc is relatively new though isn't it?
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[14:11] <trevorman> emmc isn't new
[14:11] <ReggieUK> I know it's been around a couple of years or so?
[14:13] <trevorman> 2007 when emmc was first adopted it appears
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[14:13] <trevorman> its mostly a form factor thing
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[14:16] <blkhawk> hmm i might have a look at the bootloader to see ehat it does
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[14:17] <trevorman> its set inside start.elf so good luck as its the largest
[14:18] <blkhawk> uh - I would assume the source for it is availible
[14:18] <trevorman> nope
[14:19] <blkhawk> gah
[14:19] <shirro> blkhawk: no source and I am guessing most if not all is for an undocumented instruction set for super secret GPU core
[14:20] <shirro> good luck disassembling that
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[14:20] <blkhawk> thats annoying
[14:21] <blkhawk> and that reminds me
[14:21] <nemo> Soo. does changing that clock setting have any possible negative side effects?
[14:21] <trevorman> the peripheral datasheet that broadcom released doesn't seem to mention it either. I was looking at it last night
[14:21] <nemo> like to the card life?
[14:21] <blkhawk> has anybody tried disabling the l2 for the GPU?
[14:21] <kvarley> nemo: Changing the clock speed ... No ... Changing the voltage ... Yes
[14:21] <blkhawk> nemo: card life? probably not
[14:21] <trevorman> nemo: card life no but there is a possibility of corruption since we're not entirely sure what the clock speed ends up at and you might be out of spec for the controller and/or card
[14:22] <nemo> 'k
[14:22] <nemo> p'raps I'll let you guys try it first :)
[14:22] <blkhawk> you need to try a speed
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[14:22] <shirro> blkhawk: actually I don't know how much is arm code in there or not and if there is any obfuscation going on but I know the standard binutils stuff can't make sense of the files
[14:22] <blkhawk> and see if it works without mmc errors
[14:22] <nemo> gained any significant speeds?
[14:22] <trevorman> the peripheral datasheet talks about how the clock manager is where you set the emmc clock but then fails to actually say how you're supposed to do that. it only talks about GPIO clocks.
[14:22] <blkhawk> nemo: 12,x mb/scx
[14:22] <kvarley> nemo: You can clock up to 800 MHz without any voltage changes and have a stable RPi. I have heard of people getting 900 MHz without any voltage changes but it could depend on your board too. 1GHz can be done but you need to bump the voltage up slightly. Any voltage changes may degrade the board and it's components over time.
[14:23] <nemo> kvarley: overclocking the Pi I've already done
[14:23] <kvarley> nemo: Ah
[14:23] <kodaws> oh 1ghz is doable?
[14:23] <trevorman> blkhawk: why would you want to disable L2 for the GPU?
[14:23] <nemo> kvarley: 900 seems pretty safe from all reports, and mine is doing well at that
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> I have 3 running at 900MHz + 500MH SDRAM, however only one of them will run hello_triangle at 500MHz.
[14:23] * blkhawk hands nemo a "I voided my warranty sticker"
[14:23] <nemo> kvarley: I was more curious about the SD card overclocking
[14:23] <nemo> blkhawk: didn't overvolt
[14:24] <trevorman> ^
[14:24] <shirro> kvarley: I can't get over 850/450 cpu/sdram and stay stable-ish. But with a voltage bump I am running 1G. My spare from RS can't be far away now so getting more daring :-)
[14:24] <kvarley> nemo: Ah - may be more risky. I hear network booting is faster than the SD
[14:24] <blkhawk> trevorman: say you want to run something cpu limited on the raspberry but didn't care about GFX
[14:24] <kvarley> shirro: hehe
[14:24] <kvarley> shirro: What temperatures do you get when at 1GHz ?
[14:24] <nemo> kvarley: I could believe that. hdparm reports SD card read speed at 4.2MiB/s or so
[14:24] <trevorman> blkhawk: the GPU is intricately linked to the CPU. RAM is actually behind the GPU.
[14:24] <nemo> kvarley: network is a lot faster than that
[14:24] <shirro> kvarley: I don't think these things overheat. they work or don't. not like intel radiators
[14:25] <kvarley> nemo: Is SD slow because of bottlenecking or just "bad" firmware
[14:25] <blkhawk> trevorman: I thing the lk2 is used fot the video decoding / 3d
[14:25] <blkhawk> think*
[14:25] <trevorman> blkhawk: the GPU also still does some unspecified maintenance tasks even if you're not using it
[14:25] <nemo> kvarley: dunno. that's why I'm here asking about the SD overclocking :-p
[14:25] <kvarley> shirro: Go for 1.2 GHz ? ;)
[14:25] <trevorman> blkhawk: besides, no option to disable it
[14:25] <blkhawk> trevorman: i cannot guess what those might be
[14:25] <blkhawk> trevorman: there is
[14:25] <kodaws> shirro, 3GHz with liquid cooling ftw!
[14:25] <trevorman> blkhawk: where?
[14:26] <nemo> blkhawk: you can underclock the gpu but by all accounts that is pretty stupid
[14:26] <nemo> blkhawk: since the GPU automatically ramps down when not in use
[14:26] <blkhawk> disable_l2cache disable arm access to GPU's L2 cache. Needs corresponding L2 disabled kernel. Default is 0.
[14:26] <IT_Sean> kodaws: the CPU would go POP long before you got to 3GHz
[14:26] <nemo> blkhawk: if you underclock, that is disabled
[14:26] <shirro> kvarley: More interested in proving this combo is reliable before I go up a notch. The GPU is the hardest thing to overclock
[14:26] <trevorman> blkhawk: read that line again :P
[14:26] <blkhawk> not sure what it does tbh;)
[14:26] <trevorman> blkhawk: that lets you dedicate the entire L2 to the GPU
[14:26] <blkhawk> ah
[14:26] <blkhawk> so its the reverse from what i wanted
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[14:27] <kvarley> Anybody got X rendering via the GPU yet? ;)
[14:27] <shirro> If you want rendering via the GPU why would you use X?
[14:27] <blkhawk> I wonder if there are undocumented config.txt settings
[14:28] <kvarley> shirro: Because I want to run it as a desktop PC
[14:28] <kvarley> shirro: Currently the CPU flakes out just running the desktop environment
[14:28] <shirro> it can barely run a web browser. stick to games and demos
[14:28] <trevorman> blkhawk: there are
[14:28] <blkhawk> found one already
[14:28] <kodaws> so what's the config option for the out-of-spec sd speed? :)
[14:29] <kvarley> shirro: I think the Foundation wrongly bigged up the Pi as a desktop computer
[14:29] <blkhawk> trevorman: are they erm documented somewhere?
[14:29] <trevorman> nope
[14:29] <blkhawk> ot do i need to find them myself
[14:29] <blkhawk> ok
[14:29] <shirro> run strings over start.elf. if there is anything undocumented you will see it. the other options are all visible
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[14:29] <nemo> shirro: my desktop computer of just 8 years ago had worse specs than the pi. web browsers have gotten a lot more demanding though :)
[14:30] <blkhawk> spread_spectrum_enable is one
[14:31] <shirro> nemo: was youtube even around 8 years ago?
[14:31] <trevorman> thats for the clock module. it intentionally introduces a small amount of jitter to lower the peaks
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[14:31] <blkhawk> nice
[14:31] <trevorman> there should be a corresponding toggle to enable some filters
[14:32] <nemo> shirro: nope
[14:32] <blkhawk> it has support for signing boot keys
[14:32] <nemo> I'd like to find out about that SD card OC too
[14:32] <nemo> is there any place with more details about it?
[14:32] <shirro> blkhawk: yes, saw that. nasty. we better behave ourselves
[14:32] <nemo> risks, stuff to watch out for, how to do it...
[14:32] <blkhawk> nemo: uh
[14:32] <blkhawk> its easy
[14:32] <blkhawk> add this to the config.txt:
[14:32] <blkhawk> init_emmc_clock=240000000
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[14:33] <trevorman> blkhawk: considering the SoC has OTP fuses, its best not to mess with anything regarding the serial number, HDCP or keys
[14:33] <blkhawk> if you have mmc errors substract 40mhz until it works
[14:33] <bootc> shirro: I can't see the RPi ever using that, it'll be a leftover from firmware for other customers
[14:33] <nemo> 'k
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[14:34] <blkhawk> you can do all kinds of things to hdmi
[14:34] <bootc> shirro: note the Roku 2 uses the same SoC (BCM2835)
[14:34] <blkhawk> like swap the red and blue signal for some reason
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[14:35] <kodaws> blkhawk, how? from the elf or from the config.txt? :o
[14:36] <blkhawk> kodaws: i am looking at the options the elf file has inside it
[14:36] <blkhawk> there are even help texts
[14:36] <blkhawk> probably some kind of bootloader interface
[14:37] <blkhawk> something that looks like a menu for testing
[14:37] <trevorman> there is a factory test in there
[14:37] <blkhawk> i find the references to a "tuner" interesting
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[14:38] <blkhawk> and some readable code that looks like pixel shader code
[14:39] * Tuxuser is now known as XeCrypt
[14:39] <trevorman> GPU firmware is inside there as well
[14:39] <blkhawk> ya it has actual readable code
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[14:40] <trevorman> must be compiled on the fly so its generic
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[14:41] <blkhawk> some hardcoded paths too
[14:42] <blkhawk> uh
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[14:42] <blkhawk> MSDOS5.0
[14:42] <blkhawk> well hello
[14:42] <shirro> It can read a fat filesystem to boot remember
[14:42] <blkhawk> i hope thats just a header and not an io.sys
[14:42] <blkhawk> ah yes
[14:43] <shirro> More interested in 'Not a typewriter' - very unixy
[14:43] <blkhawk> say would the foundation get into trouple if peopole where to break the elf wide open?
[14:44] <shirro> I would quite like a Samsung PoP 35nm 4Gbit - it looks to support them
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[14:44] <blkhawk> i noticed those too
[14:44] <IT_Sean> The foundation? No. You? Possibly. :p
[14:44] <blkhawk> flash chip definitions
[14:44] <IT_Sean> That said, do crack on!
[14:45] <blkhawk> IT_Sean: how exactly would that work?
[14:45] <blkhawk> i mean getting into trouble?
[14:45] <trevorman> you'll need to check on the exact license you got for the bootloader files and your local laws regarding reverse engineering
[14:45] <IT_Sean> I don't think you'd actually get in any trouble
[14:46] <IT_Sean> but, if you start reverse engineering stuff, and it gets the attention of broadcom, they MIGHT send you a C&D
[14:46] <trevorman> if you decompiled it and just uploaded the resulting output then broadcom won't appreciate it
[14:46] <blkhawk> I fail to see why a c&d would affect me
[14:46] <IT_Sean> that said... please do crack on! We need more people like you with the skills and willingness to do this. :p
[14:47] <trevorman> blkhawk: mainly if you uploaded a chunk of their code. if you reimplemented it via clean room principles then there is very little they can do about it.
[14:47] <blkhawk> haha - is that another way of saying "useful nlawsuit deflecting pawn"?
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[14:49] <shirro> I am now disqualified from writing a cleanroom reimplementation of the video core firmware which is fine by me because I reckon it would be incredibly bloody difficult and a total waste of time (though undeniably fun for the right sort of person)
[14:49] <netman87> how goes shipping of orders? should i get email when its been send? is there tracing service?
[14:50] <shirro> you just wait and hope you don't get an empty box
[14:50] <blkhawk> i got a notice by farnell that they shipped me a raspberry a week ago
[14:50] <netman87> f-word u shirro
[14:50] <blkhawk> it hasn't gotten here yet
[14:51] <blkhawk> netman87: for me i got a notice after the box was delivered
[14:51] <netman87> okey. there was tracing code?
[14:51] <trevorman> netman87: who did you order from
[14:51] <netman87> RS i think
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[14:52] <trevorman> you'll get a single email when they ship with a tracking number
[14:52] <netman87> yes i did make my order and payment 10 days ago to RS
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[14:53] <trevorman> thats all you get from RS. the shipping email and thats it
[14:53] <netman87> "Delivery Type Desc Standard Delivery (Despatch expected within 5 week(s))"
[14:53] <KrnlPanic> netman87: I made more order and payment in March, will ship next week.. lol
[14:53] <Slayerduck> i just tried to update firmware with Hexxeh rpi-update. I got error "/opt/vc/sbin/vcfiled: error while loading shared libraries: libvchiq_arm.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" so i rebooted and now it won't load anymore. What gives ?
[14:54] <shirro> netman87: I have been waiting over 2 weeks for RS. no news since they confirmed the order and took my money. just have to wait I think
[14:54] <Slayerduck> I got mine from RS today btw ^
[14:55] <nemo> blkhawk: huh. no change in hdparm read speed...
[14:55] <trevorman> Slayerduck: check that everything works okay like both USB ports and ethernet
[14:56] <trevorman> somebody said that they had a RPi with dead USB
[14:56] <nemo> blkhawk: maybe sliiiightly faster than yesterday
[14:56] <Slayerduck> trevorman: It worked fine before the upgrade ?
[14:56] <trevorman> Slayerduck: ah thats fine then
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[14:56] <trevorman> not related to your problem. just saying remember to check it :)
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[14:57] <shirro> nemo: if you did the config.txt right the difference in hdparm should leap out of the Pi and hit you in the face. It is is just the same I think check it again.
[14:57] <trevorman> Slayerduck: any signs of life at all then when trying to boot?
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[14:58] <trevorman> any of the LEDs light up or blink during boot? the PWR one will be on permanently so ignore that
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[14:58] <blkhawk> nemo: what speed did you get
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[14:59] <nemo> blkhawk: pi@raspberrypi:~$ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0p2 | grep reads Timing cached reads: 144 MB in 2.01 seconds = 71.58 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.16 seconds = 4.43 MB/sec
[14:59] <nemo> blkhawk: 4.43...
[14:59] <nemo> blkhawk: I think that's about what I had yesterday
[15:00] <nemo> shirro: maybe it depends on the card?
[15:00] <nemo> and its initial capabilities? like, the pi sets it based on the card?
[15:00] <trevorman> nemo: do dmesg | grep mmc
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[15:00] <nemo> trevorman: what am I looking for in particular?
[15:00] <trevorman> one of the lines should look similar to mmc0: new BLAH card at address BLAH
[15:00] <trevorman> what does it say for that?
[15:01] <nemo> mmc0: new SDHC card at address e624
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[15:01] <freezer> hi
[15:01] <trevorman> hm. yet another controller that acts differently
[15:01] <nemo> trevorman: gonna revert it and rerun hdparm
[15:01] <trevorman> Hi
[15:02] <nemo> trevorman: is it possible to use # to comment out in config.txt ?
[15:02] <trevorman> yeah
[15:02] <shirro> It would have to be a slow card. My lexar class 6 does 15MB/s hdparm on the other arm board. If your card goes faster elsewhere it isn't the card probably. My card like everyone elses it seems does 4 and a bit on the Pi, and double the emmc clock doubles the speed to over 8.
[15:02] <trevorman> so far we've got two fixes for the SD card speed and neither of them appear to be universal
[15:03] <trevorman> nemo: what brand and speed/class is your card?
[15:03] <nemo> trevorman: class 6
[15:03] <nemo> brand. ummm
[15:03] <shirro> zgreg's didn't work at all for me though the code looked sensible. did it work for anyone?
[15:03] * nemo walks over to that room to check
[15:03] <blkhawk> nemo: you must be doing it wong ;)
[15:03] <blkhawk> it worked for everybody else so far
[15:03] <trevorman> class 6 should be good for 6MB/s at least
[15:04] <nemo> trevorman: sandisk
[15:04] <nemo> trevorman: card says 20MBs which I definitely do not get
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> my c6 says 30MB ...
[15:04] <gordonDrogon> I can now get 12!
[15:04] <IT_Sean> Is that rating for sequential write?
[15:04] <nemo> blkhawk: ORLY
[15:05] <nemo> blkhawk: pi@raspberrypi:/mnt/boot$ cat config.txt | xargs
[15:05] <nemo> arm_freq=900 sdram_freq=500 #init_emmc_clock=240000000
[15:05] <blkhawk> YRLY"
[15:05] <gordonDrogon> crude test via hdparm.
[15:05] <blkhawk> nemo: lose the #
[15:05] <nemo> blkhawk: ...
[15:05] <trevorman> blkhawk: he only just added it -.-
[15:05] <blkhawk> ah
[15:05] <blkhawk> sorry
[15:05] <blkhawk> work is getting in the way of my hacking time
[15:05] <nemo> after reverting, speed is unchanged
[15:05] <nemo> Timing buffered disk reads: 14 MB in 3.16 seconds = 4.43 MB/sec
[15:06] <shirro> nemo: try the zgreg kernel then. it didn't work for us. it might only work with sandisk cards
[15:06] <nemo> shirro: hm
[15:06] <nemo> that sounds risky
[15:06] <blkhawk> uh
[15:06] <blkhawk> i tested it with trancend and adata
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[15:07] <shirro> blkhawk: but it didn't do anything did it?
[15:07] <blkhawk> it worked fine every time
[15:07] <trevorman> blkhawk: external branding means very little
[15:07] <shirro> the zgreg kernel?
[15:07] <nemo> using debian if it matters
[15:07] <blkhawk> nemo: not really
[15:07] <nemo> Linux version 3.1.9+ (grayg@dc4-arm-01) (gcc version 4.5.1 (Broadcom-2708) ) #90 Wed Apr 18 18:23:05 BST 2012
[15:08] <blkhawk> nemo: did you edit config.txt with notepad?
[15:08] <trevorman> SD cards unless you get them from somebody like Toshiba, Samsung or Sandisk are pretty much mix & match for the SD controller and the flash
[15:08] <nemo> trevorman: m'k. what's so special 'bout those 3?
[15:08] <trevorman> they make their own
[15:08] <blkhawk> nemo: they have their owqn fabs
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[15:09] <blkhawk> nemo: try putting the init_emmc_clock line at the start of the file
[15:09] <nemo> huh. seems odd that that would matter at all
[15:10] <blkhawk> maybe its something stupid like a missing linebreak or a trailing whitespace
[15:10] <blkhawk> you should get at least a 1mb bump for going above the stock 80mhz
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> got to pop out to see to a clients server. so much for a bank holiday!
[15:11] <blkhawk> nemo: is cour config.txt named with all lowercase?
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[15:11] <nemo> ...
[15:11] * PiBot sets mode +v tomeff
[15:11] <nemo> blkhawk: I did just paste a line right off the terminal for you earlier
[15:12] <nemo> also, overclocking worked fine
[15:12] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: I was wondering about that - where DO banks go to on holiday
[15:12] <blkhawk> nemo: the line on the terminal should have come in multiple lines
[15:12] <nemo> $ cat config.txt | xargs
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[15:12] <nemo> blkhawk: to avoid spamming chat
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[15:12] <trevorman> blkhawk: xargs squashes it all into a single line
[15:12] <blkhawk> if it doesn't then your file is broken without linebreaks
[15:13] <blkhawk> aah
[15:13] * nemo sighs
[15:13] <nemo> read speed unchanged in hdparm w/ mmc as first param, fwiw
[15:13] <blkhawk> nemo: I don't expect so much forethought
[15:13] <nemo> clearly :-p
[15:14] <blkhawk> i am really at a loss
[15:14] <blkhawk> no idea why it won't work for you
[15:14] <blkhawk> tried counting the Zeros?
[15:14] <trevorman> nemo pasted...
[15:14] <nemo> blkhawk: I copied and pasted what you sent me
[15:14] <nemo> buuuut
[15:14] <blkhawk> maybe you have not enough
[15:14] <shirro> nemo: nice use of xargs btw
[15:14] <nemo> blkhawk: since I did send you the cat
[15:14] * nemo copies from that and pipes to wc
[15:15] <nemo> $ echo init_emmc_clock=240000000 | sed 's/[^0]//g' | wc 1 1 8
[15:15] <nemo> 8
[15:15] <trevorman> nemo: sledgehammer to crack a nut there :D
[15:15] <blkhawk> ya
[15:16] <nemo> trevorman: heh
[15:16] <nemo> trevorman: processing power is cheap these days :)
[15:16] <nemo> as the Pi demos
[15:16] <blkhawk> ya
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[15:16] <blkhawk> amazing amount of power for 3 watts / 30 eur
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[15:17] <trevorman> it doesn't look like this is a universal fix but its not detrimental (that we can tell anyway) if it doesn't work
[15:17] <Slayerduck> How do i write to the 79MB FAT partition from a external computer? Both windwos and linux are telling me i can't write to it
[15:17] <trevorman> zgreg's one looks it should be the correct fix but makes everything go really slow if it doesn't work
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[15:17] <trevorman> Slayerduck: eh? it should be writable in any machine
[15:17] <blkhawk> Slayerduck: set the write protect switch to writeable
[15:18] <blkhawk> its easy to set it by accident when putting the card in
[15:18] <Slayerduck> it is set to writable ;/
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[15:18] <blkhawk> trevorman: so the exact opposite of mine?
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[15:19] <nemo> blkhawk: heh. you know, that price per watt in ??? would be considerably lower if you convinced folks in US to mail you a few Pis as gifts
[15:19] <trevorman> blkhawk: yeah. I said that 2 lines above
[15:19] <trevorman> Slayerduck: check the partition for errors. thats not normal.
[15:19] <Slayerduck> i'll just reinstall ;/
[15:20] <Slayerduck> firmware update seems to have destroyed it
[15:20] <phoque> uh oh
[15:20] <phoque> rpi-update got an error
[15:20] <Slayerduck> same
[15:20] <nemo> blkhawk: hrm. n/m. come to think of it. shipping. although, you neglected VAT which a gift in an ordinary envelope might not have
[15:20] <phoque> libvchiq_arm.so: No such file or directory
[15:20] <blkhawk> nemo: it would take forever
[15:20] <Slayerduck> phoque: i had that error, if you reboot the disk is prob dead.
[15:20] <blkhawk> RS online shipped my Pi in 20 hours
[15:21] <blkhawk> thats not snail mail
[15:21] <trevorman> you must have ordered when a batch had just arrived
[15:21] <blkhawk> more like badger express
[15:21] <phoque> Slayerduck, the disk will be dead?
[15:21] <Slayerduck> phoque: no but it won't boot anymore
[15:21] <trevorman> I know people who got the RS code and ordered but still had to wait 2+ weeks for it ship
[15:21] <nemo> last time I shipped an iPad to the UK on opening day by USPS standard, it got there in a couple of days
[15:21] <nemo> took longer in customs
[15:21] <blkhawk> I am of course counting from time of posting it to the time it got here
[15:21] <phoque> Slayerduck, meaning the device will be bricked?
[15:21] <nemo> and that he definitely had to pay import duties on
[15:21] <nemo> a Pi might get by maybe
[15:22] <blkhawk> a pi is below 140EUR
[15:22] <Slayerduck> phoque: the firmware is stored on the SD card as far as i know, reinstalling the SD will fix it
[15:22] <blkhawk> so yes it does not get duty applied
[15:22] <phoque> ah, I see
[15:22] <Slayerduck> i hope so atleast <_<
[15:22] <blkhawk> sometimes not even VAT
[15:22] <Slayerduck> reinstalling now
[15:22] <trevorman> phoque: you can't brick a rpi unless you do something like crank up the voltage way past the safe limits
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[15:23] <Milos> I'd call that more than bricking
[15:23] <Milos> I'd call that permanent damage
[15:23] <Slayerduck> i heard the operating tempatures are pretty sick, anyone tried the freezer / oven yet :D?
[15:23] <Milos> well. bricking is permanent damage
[15:23] <Milos> but, sounds cooler
[15:23] <dmsuse> sick?
[15:24] <Milos> sick
[15:24] <Milos> cool
[15:24] <Milos> etc
[15:24] <IT_Sean> someone brick a pi!?
[15:24] <Slayerduck> ^ what he said
[15:24] <blkhawk> finally! internet ennabled fridges
[15:24] <trevorman> Milos: My view is that brick = its permanently dead and all its good for is being a paperweight. none of this stupid soft-brick and hard-brick stuff
[15:24] <Milos> :P
[15:24] <trevorman> and the RPi wouldn't even be a good paperweight. its too light
[15:24] <Milos> LOL
[15:24] <lennard> trevorman: and of course the all-time favourite unbrick
[15:24] <phoque> Slayerduck, mine survived
[15:25] <trevorman> should call it a caltrop insead as thats probably a better use for it if it really is dead
[15:25] <phoque> I ran sudo ldconfig and re-ran rpi-update
[15:25] <trevorman> lennard: lol yup
[15:25] <phoque> trevorman, that's good to know :-)
[15:25] <Slayerduck> phoque: sweet, but i'm gonna stick with manual updates from now on
[15:25] <phoque> :-D
[15:26] <phoque> Slayerduck, I have no idea how to do that yet
[15:26] <Slayerduck> just copy/paste the files ~_~
[15:28] <blkhawk> Slayerduck: i had a broken fat32 fs once already
[15:28] <blkhawk> it happens
[15:29] <blkhawk> the pi is supidly resillient
[15:29] <Slayerduck> blkhawk: Ah i see, what did you do ?
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[15:30] <Slayerduck> if i just reformat the partition and drop the boot/firmware files back into it.. would that work :)?
[15:30] <phoque> Slayerduck, yes, probably
[15:30] <blkhawk> yes
[15:30] <blkhawk> Slayerduck: I did just run fsck.vfat
[15:30] <Slayerduck> i'll try that first then, used gparted to format it
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[15:30] <blkhawk> and scandisk on windows
[15:30] <blkhawk> all was well after that
[15:31] <Slayerduck> windows could not even touch it, errored all the way ~_~
[15:36] <Slayerduck> what the hell, i put the boot files back and now it just shows a picture with some colours
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[15:38] <trevorman> huh? you enabled the test mode or something?
[15:38] <trevorman> what does config.txt say
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[15:39] <Slayerduck> there is no config.txt
[15:40] <trevorman> ah. no idea then
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[15:46] <blkhawk> slayerduck did you reformat the card?
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[16:03] <beardface> Shameless Plug: https://plus.google.com/photos/100813533400102669109/albums/5750028861657556225
[16:03] <beardface> Love it.
[16:04] <blkhawk> heh
[16:04] <blkhawk> got a3d printer?
[16:05] <beardface> yeah
[16:05] <gordonDrogon_> beardface, not bad. How do I access the GPIO ... :)
[16:05] <blkhawk> lucky you
[16:06] <beardface> gordonDrogon_, the case has holes all around the side, you can run wires if you want
[16:06] <blkhawk> I had do do the same with a x-acto knife and abs sheets
[16:06] <beardface> i didn't want a big gaping butt-hole on the top of my purty case
[16:06] <gordonDrogon_> actually, a shallow notch might be good enough to let a ribbon cable out to e.g. Gertboard...
[16:07] <beardface> yeah, there is room for a ribbon cable
[16:07] <frankivo> beardface: neat
[16:07] <beardface> definitely loving the blue
[16:07] <beardface> but blue/orange combo is nice too
[16:07] <gordonDrogon_> how does the top stay on? Some others I saw used rubber bands ...
[16:07] <beardface> snaps on
[16:07] <frankivo> where do i order? :P
[16:07] <beardface> its a very tight fit
[16:08] <beardface> fankivo: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3D-Printed-Case-Assorted-Colors-/180898812928?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a1e68d400#ht_507wt_1325
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[16:08] <gordonDrogon_> Ah. US based.
[16:08] <frankivo> beardface: hero
[16:08] <beardface> gordonDrogon_ yeah, US
[16:09] <beardface> where are you located?
[16:09] <gordonDrogon_> UK.
[16:09] <beardface> yeah, i ship to uk, but not free shipping
[16:09] <frankivo> meh, 6.90 for shipping
[16:09] <beardface> :/ yeah, sorry frankivo: its free to US
[16:09] <beardface> but overseas costs me a lot more to send them
[16:09] <gordonDrogon_> thanks, but I don't buy stuff outside europe.
[16:09] <beardface> np :)
[16:10] <frankivo> could I print it somewhere closer?
[16:10] <beardface> if you had a 3d printer i'd send you the file to make your own
[16:10] <beardface> frankivo: where are you?
[16:10] <frankivo> Netherlands
[16:10] <frankivo> close to UK :P
[16:10] <beardface> ask #reprap if anyone in Nerthlands with a printer
[16:10] <beardface> if yes, I'll give them the file to print
[16:10] <beardface> and they can send it to you
[16:11] <freezer> Slayerduck, you wanna try me?
[16:11] <trevorman> beardface: huh. your rpi is slightly different to mine. you've got a massive CE logo next to the power
[16:11] <trevorman> I've got a sticker on the bottom >.>
[16:11] <gordonDrogon_> it's not a proper CE logo though
[16:12] <IT_Sean> Early batch RasPis will not have the CE logo
[16:12] <trevorman> ahh
[16:13] <trevorman> what gordonDrogon said as well. its not the right font :)
[16:13] <IT_Sean> The stickers were a bid of an 11th hour deal, on the early ones.
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[16:14] <trevorman> beardface: case looks good
[16:14] <IT_Sean> *bit
[16:15] <trevorman> collectors item you mean? ;)
[16:15] <trevorman> unique! only 10,000 available. buy yours now
[16:15] <trevorman> well not unique
[16:15] <trevorman> ><
[16:15] <blkhawk> CE? not China Export?
[16:16] <beardface> thanks trevorman
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[16:17] <IT_Sean> No raspi should have a China Export sticker on it.
[16:18] <blkhawk> sorry this was a snarky comment meant to sarcastically highlight how similar the CE mark is to the CE mark
[16:18] <lennard> well yeah, thats kinda the whole point of creating China Export
[16:18] <lennard> fooling ppls
[16:19] <gordonDrogon_> lucky guess, perhaps.
[16:20] <nemo> So, I'm on the debian image and I'm wondering if the patches at http://greg.kinoho.net/rpi-sd.tar.gz would help for me. Is it worth grabbing the set of kernel sources for the .deb and applying them?
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, what do those patches do?
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[16:23] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: well. just going by name...
[16:23] <nemo> $ ls *.patch | xargs
[16:23] <nemo> 0001-mmc-sd-Handle-SD3.0-cards-not-supporting-UHS-I-bus-s.patch 0002-bcm2708-raise-clocks.patch 0003-bcm2708-reduce-sync-poll-duration.patch
[16:24] <nemo> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=5057&p=91558
[16:24] <gordonDrogon_> ok - speed up the SD card..
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[16:24] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: basically a bit disappointed that my read speed according to hdparm is still 4.4MiB
[16:24] <gordonDrogon_> have you applied todays emmc config.txt option?
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[16:24] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: yeah. no change
[16:25] <gordonDrogon_> well - up you you - if you're doing lots and lots of file heavy stuff then it might help...
[16:25] <MarkG1234> Hi, trying to find a DNLA renderer that works for the PI. Want to push media from my phone and use the pi's audio and HDMI out. XBMC seems to be proprietary, as does AirPlay.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon_> I've not really had an issue with it being slow myself, however I'm not really doing lots of file bashing on it - that's not really what I got it for.
[16:26] <chris_99> Merry Jubilee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:26] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: well. compiling on it is a bit slow
[16:27] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: also, unless I plug in some external HD, swap partition is ridiculously slow
[16:27] <shirro> nemo: the fastest option is still usb storage
[16:27] <nemo> shirro: aware
[16:27] <MarkG1234> @chris_99 I think that's tommorrow.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, be sure it's actually the SD that's slow here - when I upped my SD speed it didn't make any difference at all to the compile speed of my app.
[16:27] <Trickierstinky> markg1234: I've been playing around and the best and easiest one I found so far is Darkelec, boots xbmc but i think it the most stable atm
[16:27] <nemo> shirro: I'd be more inclined to do NFS frankly
[16:27] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: linking Qt
[16:27] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: made heavy use of swap
[16:27] <chris_99> it's today, tommorow, the weekend gone i thought MarkG1234
[16:27] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: also. ton of large files
[16:27] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, ok - tat's probably a big link.
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[16:27] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: caching doesn't help w/ that. not enough memory.
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon_> cross compile??
[16:28] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: trunk$ find -type f | wc -l
[16:28] <nemo> 15611
[16:28] <MarkG1234> it's 60 years tomorrow since Liz want inaugurated.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon_> but NFS will certianly give you an idea of the speedups you might get - if you have an NFS server handy..
[16:28] * SpeedEvil is annoyed - postal delays mean I won't get my SD for another 3 days
[16:28] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: anyway. have a card rated for 20MiB/s - seems silly to only get like a quarter of that
[16:28] <MarkG1234> (not that I really care, it's a long weekend, but I don't give a crap about the royal leeches)
[16:28] <gordonDrogon_> and you can do tht without ercompiling kernel, etc.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon_> My cards rated 30MB/sec...
[16:29] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: class 10? :)
[16:29] <gordonDrogon_> Yea, the 2-day bank holiday is irritating. I was hoping for some new hardware on saturday but I'll not see it until wednesday now )-:
[16:30] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, no a class 6. Sandisk Ultra ..
[16:30] <nemo> huh
[16:30] <nemo> curious
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[16:30] <gordonDrogon_> it was ~4MB/sec until the emmc rune then it went to just over 12.
[16:30] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: I have a class 6 sandisk ultra too. says 20MB/s on it (although I was assuming that was really MiB/s)
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[16:30] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: interesting...
[16:30] <shirro> the thing is a cheap $35 educational computer - people shouldn't have to buy powered hubs and usb storage and stuff to get them working properly. my other arm board does 15MB/s tp the Pi's 4MB/s
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[16:31] <MarkG1234> Anyone else having big imcompatability issues with decent SD cards? Crappy ones seem to work just fine....
[16:31] <gordonDrogon_> hm. OK, I think it's 30MB/sec, but I'm not at home right now... stuck on a client site waiting for a disk copy to happen.
[16:31] <IT_Sean> MarkG1234: what CLASS of SD card are you having problems with? and what type?
[16:31] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: well. you have very close to the same card as I. can you paste your mmc line ?
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon_> MarkG1234, bit hit or miss... most seem to work, but I have one that's in the working list that doesn';t work...
[16:31] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: I was told 240Mhz
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, hang on, I'll login to home..
[16:32] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: http://m8y.org/tmp/temp.txt - here's mine
[16:32] <rotozip> Getting my Pi on Wednesday. First thing to do is get Debian Squeeze up and running on it?
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> gordon @ pi0: cat /boot/config.txt
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> #enable_l2cache=1
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> disable_overscan=1
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> #framebuffer_width=784
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> #framebuffer_height=638
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> #
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> arm_freq=900
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> gpu_freq=250
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> sdram_freq=500
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> init_emmc_clock=240000000
[16:32] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: huh. I was told setting gpufreq was a bad idea
[16:32] <bjorn`> oh, it runs nicely at 900?
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> rotozip, yup. get the squeeze image off the raspberry pi site and start there...
[16:32] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, 250 is the default.
[16:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: but setting it supposedly disables dynamic scaling
[16:33] <gordonDrogon_> bjorn`, yes. I have 3 running at 900MHz OK.
[16:33] <shirro> bjorn`: not for everyone. mine seems to go to 850 ok without overvolt
[16:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: so GPU can't ramp down as needed
[16:33] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, oh? *shrug*
[16:33] <bjorn`> nice.
[16:33] <shirro> gpu got artifacts as soon as I overclocked it
[16:33] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: what does disable_overscan do?
[16:33] <gordonDrogon_> I've not actually tried overclocking the gpu yet.
[16:34] <shirro> gordonDrogon: don't bother
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon_> one board failed to run hello_trianble with the sdram at 500, but one ran it OK.
[16:34] <rotozip> gordonDrogon_ Sweet! Torrenting the file right now.
[16:34] <gordonDrogon_> rotozip, have you used linu before?
[16:34] <rotozip> yes I have
[16:35] <gordonDrogon_> ok. I'm sure you'l lbe fine then :)
[16:35] <shirro> gordonDrogon: I found 850/450 arr/sdram stable. But I am now running a 1000/500 with an overvolt to see what it is like
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[16:35] <MarkG1234> Got a Transcend Class 6, 4GB when bought was an expensive class 6.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon_> rotozip, This link might be handy when your running: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
[16:35] <MarkG1234> Partially works, takes ages to boot.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon_> shirro, Ah. I've not tried overvolt yet :)
[16:36] <IT_Sean> a Class 6 should work. But, as others have said, it's hit or miss.
[16:36] <rotozip> gordonDrogon_ cool thanks. I will check that out.
[16:36] <shirro> gordonDrogon_: I figured my replacement can't be much more than a week away :-)
[16:36] <IT_Sean> Do you have another 'crappier' SD card to try with?
[16:36] <gordonDrogon_> MarkG1234, I have one of those too. Says it works on te wiki - I've found it somewhat tempramental..
[16:36] <Vilkku> hello! question about powering the pi: can I use one of those microusb adapter charger thingies? this one I have is 5V, but the current is higher than recommended - 2.1 A
[16:36] <IT_Sean> Yes, a higher current is fine
[16:36] <shirro> Vilkku: that should be fine
[16:36] <Vilkku> great :D
[16:36] <IT_Sean> the raspi will only 'draw' what it 'needs'
[16:36] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: what does disable_overscan do?
[16:36] <IT_Sean> the current stated on the charger is the MAXIMUM allowable draw
[16:37] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, makes the screen bigger...
[16:37] <trevorman> Vilkku: higher current is fine. it just means thats what is available. higher voltage = bad
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[16:37] <Vilkku> yeah, figured as much, but the quick guide I think said 700-1200 mA, so I was wondering if there was some upper limit as well :)
[16:37] <trevorman> nope
[16:37] <Foxhoundz> My Pi has finally arrived at DFW Airport!
[16:37] <Foxhoundz> Only a few hours before I get my hands on it
[16:37] <trevorman> you could use a 10A supply assuming you weren't nuts enough to accidentally short it
[16:37] <Vilkku> :D
[16:37] <IT_Sean> FRAZAP
[16:38] <gordonDrogon_> you could connect a 200amp welding set up to it, but as long as it was regulated to 5V you'd be fine.
[16:39] <Vilkku> since I'm here, another question: does anyone here have any hands-on experience with the Pi and a logitech K400? wiki says that there is a no pointer movement issue, but that a firmware update "restores pointer but sticky key problem when connected through Trust powered hub."
[16:39] <shirro> Am thinking of blowing the dust of the soldering iron and trying to bridge the usb poly fuses. It all looks so tiny to my eyes.
[16:39] <trevorman> shirro: you'd need to do all 3 fuses
[16:39] <gordonDrogon_> big magnifier :)
[16:39] <nemo> Vilkku: my keyboard issues were just not enough power
[16:40] <nemo> Vilkku: a less fancy keyboard fixed that :)
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[16:40] <nemo> I guess a nicer hub would have helped too
[16:40] <Vilkku> yeah
[16:40] <trevorman> the fuses themselves are massive. using a massive solder bridge isn't really a great idea though. you need to put a piece of wire there
[16:40] <gordonDrogon_> I'm happy with my hub - for now. my little keyboard seems OK directly off the Pi though.
[16:40] <shirro> trevorman: I was thinking just the two sucky usb ones. The main fuse should be ok
[16:40] <Vilkku> I was looking at the K400, but checked wiki before I got it, so I got one of these instead: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-66fRV0wMiss/TpHySRMTu6I/AAAAAAAABBY/aDW7QNZHPOE/s400/pan-code-d1000.JPG
[16:40] <trevorman> shirro: the main fuse is only 700ma despite what the schematic claims
[16:40] <Vilkku> seems to work great, but would have preferred the logitech, it's bigger and fancier
[16:40] <ReggieUK> I've just made a post on the forums regarding usb hubs
[16:40] <ReggieUK> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=5632&p=91628#p91628
[16:41] <ReggieUK> some of you might find it interesting/useful
[16:41] <ReggieUK> it's the last post
[16:41] <Vilkku> but anyway, this will be mainly plugged into my TV I figured, so I guess I might end up appriciating that they keyboard isn't huge
[16:41] <shirro> trevorman: that sucks. what were they thinking
[16:41] <trevorman> shirro: yeah. the schematic says it should be 1.1 but the actual fuse is marked "07" so its going to be 700ma
[16:42] <nemo> ReggieUK: wow. that's pretty shoddy. that's typical?
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[16:42] <ReggieUK> it's fairly typical I believe
[16:42] <ReggieUK> but having said that, I haven't replaced the missing caps yet
[16:42] <shirro> Vilkku: I have the k400 on my pi. it works fine but I get random loss of key presses on all my keyboards that one included
[16:42] <ReggieUK> and I've had loads of stuff in and out of it on my desktop PC
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[16:43] <ReggieUK> the power supply is sound
[16:43] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: huh. I tried your exact config (apart from the gpu change) and I still get 4.43 :(
[16:43] <nemo> I don't get it. we should have 'sact same card
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[16:43] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: you are using debian kernel right?
[16:43] <ReggieUK> and for ??3.50 and the 30p you'd spend on putting the missing caps in, I think they're usuable if you've got a soldering iron or you know the caveats
[16:43] <Vilkku> shirro, okay. hopefully I won't be too bothered with the fact that I know that it would have worked :P at least this one wasn't more expensive
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[16:44] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: mmcblk0: mmc0:e624 SD08G 7.40 GiB FWIW
[16:44] <trevorman> nemo: you need to look at the manfid, oemid and model to compare cards
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[16:45] <trevorman> nemo: the controllers can vary wildly even in the same model from a specific brand
[16:45] <nemo> trevorman: where would I find those?
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[16:45] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, I'm using a self-compiled kernel in raspbian...
[16:45] <ReggieUK> I'd like to know that information too trevorman
[16:45] <nemo> ah...
[16:45] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, have you done an rpi_update thingy?
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[16:46] <trevorman> nemo: /sys/devices/platform/mmc_host/mmc0 and then whatever your mmc card is under
[16:46] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: don't think that applies to debian image
[16:46] <ReggieUK> I've got a handful of cards here, 1gb, 2gb, 4gb, all microSD
[16:46] <trevorman> there will be a bunch of files in there
[16:46] <ReggieUK> would be nice to find out what they're doing
[16:47] <trevorman> you're interested in most of them
[16:47] <nemo> trevorman: I see manfid and oemid. no model. is name close enough?
[16:47] <trevorman> yeah name is model
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[16:47] <trevorman> the problem is that nobody actually documents the manfids
[16:47] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, i think it will work with standard debian...
[16:47] <trevorman> only the SD association actually knows
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[16:47] <trevorman> and if you've got dodgy counterfeit cards then the numbers can be anything
[16:47] <nemo> manfid:0x000003 oemid:0x5344 name:SD08G
[16:48] <gordonDrogon_> mmcblk0: mmc0:e624 SU04G 3.69 GiB
[16:48] <nemo> trevorman: shouldn't be dodgy anything. I didn't get this card online since I needed an extra and was willing to pay a slight premium for instant gratification
[16:48] <trevorman> nemo: looks like a legitimate Sandisk
[16:49] <trevorman> manfid of 3 is Sandisk
[16:49] <nemo> we have the 'sact same address gordonDrogon_ and I
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[16:49] <trevorman> the RCA doesn't really confirm it. you need to check the other values.
[16:49] <nemo> welp. guess I can try adding those patches to the debian kernel
[16:50] <gordonDrogon_> if you want to manually upgrade the stuff in /boot, you can use mine, but I'd give rpi_update a go first...
[16:50] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: two people have said that rpi_update did a bad update today
[16:50] <gordonDrogon_> oh.
[16:50] <trevorman> it breaks some library
[16:51] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: I dont have rpi-update anyway. don't think it is part of debian?
[16:51] <gordonDrogon_> nemo you need to install tht manually.
[16:51] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: would be interested in seeing what your values are for that sys stuff
[16:51] <nemo> m'k
[16:51] <gordonDrogon_> what is the sys command to get them?
[16:51] <nemo> 10:44 <+trevorman> nemo: /sys/devices/platform/mmc_host/mmc0 and then whatever your mmc card is under
[16:51] <trevorman> nemo: have a read of http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?page_id=1022 if you want to have some background about oddball cards
[16:51] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: mmc0:e624# grep "" manfid oemid name | xargs
[16:51] <nemo> manfid:0x000003 oemid:0x5344 name:SD08G
[16:52] <trevorman> and be shocked by how brazen the counterfeits are
[16:52] <nemo> trevorman: yeah, but supposedly sandisk does their own production. seems a bit unlikely a counterfeit would get into their supply chain, as well as faking their packaging.
[16:52] <ReggieUK> is there much evidence of counterfeits entering the legitimate supply chains?
[16:52] <trevorman> nemo: what do you have for fwrev and hwrev?
[16:52] <trevorman> ReggieUK: read that link
[16:52] <gordonDrogon_> 0x000003 0x5344 SU04G
[16:53] <nemo> manfid:0x000003 oemid:0x5344 name:SD08G fwrev:0x0 hwrev:0x8
[16:53] <trevorman> nemo: idk. kingston have fakes and you can even get the proper packaging for it
[16:53] <ReggieUK> I know for a fact that usb sticks some years back we're making it through
[16:53] <trevorman> yeah you still get those occasionally
[16:53] <gordonDrogon_> if you want to wget http://unicorn.drogon.net/zImage then start.elf, loader.bin and bootcode.bin.... rename zImage to kernel.img
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[16:53] <nemo> trevorman: but... at a major box store like staples? you'd think their supply chain w/ the manufacturers is pretty reliable
[16:53] <gordonDrogon_> then in might work...
[16:53] <trevorman> the "8GB" stick that only has like 1GB worth of flash in but with a screwed up config so it appears to be 8GB
[16:53] <gordonDrogon_> It did for someone the other day who's SD card wouldn't work at all.
[16:54] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: tiny bit worried about stuff not booting, but... it is the exact same HW, so why wouldn't it work :)
[16:54] <gordonDrogon_> however my kernel is pretty "lean". No wifi for example...
[16:54] <trevorman> nemo: probably okay for them. can never really tell. just hope for the best.
[16:54] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: eh. not using wifi right now
[16:54] <gordonDrogon_> as long as you have a way to read/write th eSD card in another PC, you can save and restore the files.
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[16:55] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: yeah. just not home right now
[16:55] <nemo> yay for remote reboots :)
[16:56] <trevorman> ah if you're not at home then best not mess with it :)
[16:56] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, Hah... Yes, I tought remote reboots are fine - which is why I'm at a clients site right now...
[16:57] <gordonDrogon_> I remote rebooted a server and it didn't come back and they don't have IP KVM hardware.
[16:57] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: you details look legitimate for a sandisk card anyway
[16:57] <trevorman> wonder why nemo's card doesn't like blkhawk's hack
[16:57] <gordonDrogon_> I bought 4 recently from that site in the channel - forgotten the name now mymemory or something?
[16:57] <gordonDrogon_> someone here suggeste it to me.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon_> mymemory.co.uk
[16:58] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: looks like we have the same bootcode.bin and loader.bin different start.elf and kernel.img - I suppose that's not that surprising
[16:58] <nemo> oh well. here goes! :D
[16:58] <gordonDrogon_> that srter might be the 224 one.
[16:58] <trevorman> don't think your cards are counterfeit anyway. just more curious about different revisions or models of the internal controller
[16:59] <gordonDrogon_> I was annoyed that the sandisk 4GB cards were smaller than the Kingston 4GB cards already had. that neede dsome fiddling. Gibbering GiB )-:
[16:59] <nemo> hehe
[16:59] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: all storage is in GB
[17:00] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: saves 'em money :)
[17:00] <beardface> I managed to get my 32GB Class 10 working last night
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[17:00] <gordonDrogon_> G or Gi )-: I hate that 'i' notation. IT's a computer stick to powers to 2!
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[17:00] <beardface> They really need to update the image... all I had to do was replace the boot img with the latest from Git
[17:00] <beardface> I can't get my mouse to work though :(
[17:00] <gordonDrogon_> except when your a scummy disk drive maker and want to save a penny a drive...
[17:01] <nemo> lol. I panicked because ssh was giving me "connection refused" even though it was pinging
[17:02] <gordonDrogon_> give it time...
[17:02] <nemo> then I tried another account and things worked fine
[17:02] <nemo> oh. n/m
[17:02] <gordonDrogon_> so it's booted my 3.2.18 kernel?
[17:02] <nemo> yeah. was just time. I thought perhaps ssh was refusing key auth
[17:02] <nemo> I'd just added that
[17:02] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: yeps
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon_> and the SD speed is??
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[17:03] <nemo> wooooooot
[17:03] <nemo> $ sudo hdparm -tT /dev/mmcblk0p2 | grep reads Timing cached reads: 170 MB in 2.02 seconds = 84.25 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 38 MB in 3.07 seconds = 12.37 MB/sec
[17:03] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: both are faster!
[17:03] <gordonDrogon_> sounds like a happy nemo
[17:03] <trevorman> so it was an old kernel?
[17:03] <trevorman> interesting
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[17:03] <nemo> yayayayayay
[17:03] <gordonDrogon_> you prob. had the original debian kernel.
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[17:03] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: sure. I pasted that earlier
[17:03] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: well. whatever debian offers after April 18 update
[17:03] <oldman> How I change my Rpi to rca video output?
[17:03] <gordonDrogon_> that kernel of mine has the sound built-in and no modules....
[17:03] <nemo> 09:06 <+nemo> Linux version 3.1.9+ (grayg@dc4-arm-01) (gcc version 4.5.1 (Broadcom-2708) ) #90 Wed Apr 18 18:23:05 BST 2012
[17:04] <gordonDrogon_> oldman, unplug the hdmi and reboot
[17:04] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: cool. well. sound wasn't working on the debian kernel anyway
[17:04] <nemo> woot. alsamixer works
[17:04] <nemo> thanks gordonDrogon_!
[17:04] <nemo> kodaws: ^^^^^^
[17:04] <blkhawk> nemo: congrats :D
[17:04] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: I'm surprised the cached speeds improved too
[17:04] <oldman> gordonDragon: That did noy work. No output to my old tv.
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[17:05] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: where'd you get your kernel from? just wondering
[17:05] <Helios> can a raspberry pi play red alert?
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[17:05] <blkhawk> oldman: the detection might be wonky
[17:05] <trevorman> so blkhawk's hack is universal so far but you need to make sure the kernel is up to date
[17:05] <Helios> How about warzone 2100?
[17:05] <Helios> Dune 2?
[17:05] <nemo> I find it amusing I just happily trust gordon and toss his kernel on my pi :)
[17:05] <Helios> Quake?
[17:05] <trevorman> least the wrong kernel doesn't do anything bad
[17:05] <gordonDrogon_> it's (shhh don't say his name too loud) b o o t c's kernel sources - I compiled it up myself.
[17:05] <Helios> I bet it can't play COD MW3
[17:05] <nemo> oh well. he seems like a nice guy. apart from his programming in basic ;)
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[17:05] <oldman> blkhawk: Can I force it to change?
[17:05] <blkhawk> ya i think so
[17:06] <blkhawk> let me look up the config.txt
[17:06] <blkhawk> setting for it
[17:06] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: hm. I wonder if the debian guys are accepting bug reports for the pi
[17:06] <trevorman> what you going to report?
[17:06] <gordonDrogon_> nemo, not sure... anyeay, the kernel is compilel for preemping, so might appear a bit snappier too.
[17:06] <oldman> blkhawk:Ah its in the config.txt is iy.
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[17:06] <nemo> trevorman: well. the sound thing, and the slow SD card thing
[17:07] <gordonDrogon_> not really a Debian thing though - it wa someone (Dom?) from the foundation that compiled up the kernel supplied.
[17:07] <nemo> trevorman: until I booted gordonDrogon_'s kernel, alsamixer thrashed helplessly and nothing seemed to be aware of a sound card existing, although I hadn't gotten around to looking into it in depth
[17:07] <trevorman> nemo: yeah but what exactly about the SDHCI controller? you'd probably need broadcom to sign off on it.
[17:07] <blkhawk> oldman: i see no setting to force composite
[17:07] <shirro> nemo: the slow sd card thing is still a hack. It will be interesting to see some response to it from the broadcom people
[17:07] <trevorman> the whole init_emmc_clock thing is specific to the bootloader and nothing to do with debian
[17:07] <nemo> shirro: well. now I'm curious that if I disable that hack, what speeds will I get
[17:07] <blkhawk> I think your tv might not have the right impedance on the connector to be detected
[17:08] * nemo tries
[17:08] <gordonDrogon_> blkhawk, oldman I'm racking my brains trying to think - plenty of options to force hdmi..
[17:08] <blkhawk> you will get 4.5mb/sec
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[17:08] <trevorman> oldman: you got HDMI plugged in?
[17:09] <oldman> trevorman: No
[17:09] <freezer> is the Pi's SD card interface SDHC?
[17:09] <gordonDrogon_> there are some other ones: #sdtv_mode=2
[17:09] <gordonDrogon_> #sdtv_aspect=1
[17:09] <gordonDrogon_> but I don't know if they actually force the compost video output. mode 2 is UK.
[17:10] <shirro> oldman: if hdmi is unplugged at boot it is supposed to default to composite output I thought
[17:10] <trevorman> freezer: yes. it supports SD and SDHC. not 100% sure about SDXC. somebody claims to have used a 64GB card on one.
[17:10] <trevorman> what shirro said
[17:10] <blkhawk> shirro: i thought that too
[17:10] <plugwash> AIUI the only difference between HC and XC is the standard formatting
[17:10] <blkhawk> oldman: is the tv pal or ntsc?
[17:10] <trevorman> freezer: I tried a RSMMC and it doesn't like it. the SoC documentation says it should be fine with MMC, SD and SDHC.
[17:10] <gordonDrogon_> never twice same coloUr :)
[17:10] <plugwash> but since embedded linux devices don't use the standard formatting that doesn't matter to us
[17:10] <freezer> trevorman, okay nice to have it confirmed. I saw something about SDHC in dmesg but wasn't sure if it's sd card info or controller speed
[17:10] <oldman> OK Thanks all. It looks as though there is aproblem with my connections.
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[17:11] <freezer> my 8GB Sandisk is supposed to do 30mb/s write
[17:11] <trevorman> plugwash: there are some extra cap bits defined for SDXC
[17:11] <freezer> but it probably will do a lot less in the Pi
[17:11] <trevorman> that + the exfat you mentioned
[17:12] <trevorman> the bootloader ROM might freak out about those extra capability bits being set
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[17:12] <blkhawk> "NC Considers Making Sea Level Rise Illegal" lol
[17:12] <trevorman> freezer: you'll find it does about 4-5MB/s
[17:12] <gordonDrogon_> if it even looks at them...
[17:12] <blkhawk> sorry wrong channel
[17:13] <trevorman> gordonDrogon: idk. my RSMMC cards don't work in the RPi and they should in theory be standard MMC yet the SoC documentation says it should be fine *shrug*
[17:13] <freezer> is 5mb/s a hard limit or will it likely improve with better FW/kernel?
[17:13] <trevorman> I found a screenshot on flickr of somebody trying a RSMMC card in their RPi and they get further than me but it still doesn't boot properly
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[17:14] <gordonDrogon_> freezer, it's a limit due to the driver in the kernel you have... as we've demonstrated today we can get 12+MB/sec ...
[17:14] <trevorman> freezer: hopefully it'll improve. blkhawk has a hack where it boosts it to ~12MB/s. zgreg has some patches as well which in theory should be the correct way of doing things but its got some odd compatibility problems.
[17:14] <trevorman> you're not going to get the full 30MB/s out of it though
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[17:15] <blkhawk> the 12mb/sec are good already tho
[17:15] <gordonDrogon_> yea, and 12MB/sec might make the difference to people using it as a desktop type thing with a little bit of swap too.
[17:16] <gordonDrogon_> I'll run up xfce4 and midori when I get home.
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[17:16] <shirro> gordonDrogon_: iceweasel is still no fun with 1G cpu and faster sd
[17:16] <blkhawk> shirro: hardfp too?
[17:16] <shirro> ofcourse
[17:16] <gordonDrogon_> shirro, well it was us a thought :)
[17:17] <trevorman> its not going to be blazing along at 12MB/s if you enable swap and still need to access it as a filesystem
[17:17] <blkhawk> that reminds me - anybody compiled omcplayer for hardfp yet?
[17:17] <shirro> blkhawk: yep
[17:18] <blkhawk> i managed to compile ffmpeg but omxplayer still refuses to be crosscompiled
[17:18] <blkhawk> shirro: care to share?
[17:18] <shirro> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=7104
[17:19] <blkhawk> nice
[17:20] <blkhawk> letsee if it has the same 40 seconds sharp delay on playing FLV
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon_> well apt-get update/upgrade on raspbian is certianly much faster now.
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[17:23] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: its even faster when you uninstall man-db
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[17:24] <blkhawk> still a 40 second delay
[17:24] <blkhawk> I wonder if it converts the videos first
[17:25] <gordonDrogon_> blkhawk, Ah. Good thinking. who needs man pages anyway :)
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[17:25] <gordonDrogon_> blkhawk, ah. no man-db on my raspbian
[17:25] <blkhawk> ya
[17:26] <blkhawk> it speeds up every apt-get install and update call
[17:26] <blkhawk> apt-get remove --purge manpages man-db info groff-base
[17:26] <blkhawk> :D
[17:26] <gordonDrogon_> I guess at some stage I'll need to do a dist-upgrade ?
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[17:26] <gordonDrogon_> lots of stuff "kept back" ..
[17:27] <blkhawk> shirro: any iudea why the omxplayer delays playing video for exactly 40 seconds?
[17:27] <shirro> blkhawk: is it only flv? I have only tried .mp4 and .avi
[17:28] <blkhawk> its various files
[17:28] <blkhawk> flv with h264
[17:28] <blkhawk> no audio channel
[17:28] <blkhawk> trying other clips
[17:29] <shirro> I have only tried h264 and xvid really. They seem to play ok. Not sure if that would be ffmpeg or the omx stuff really
[17:29] <blkhawk> they play ok
[17:29] <blkhawk> they just wait 40seconds (exactly) to play
[17:29] <gordonDrogon_> could it be a DNS timeout?
[17:30] <blkhawk> for a video?
[17:30] <trevorman> hope not!
[17:30] <trevorman> if it is then why is it hitting the network? :)
[17:30] <gordonDrogon_> seems unlikely, but who knows ...
[17:30] <shirro> flv phone home
[17:30] <blkhawk> nust be the mpaa monitoring
[17:30] <trevorman> lol shirro
[17:31] <gordonDrogon_> change the overclocking - or run something else cpu hungry - see if it's a software loop, or something waiting on an event ...
[17:31] <gordonDrogon_> although I guess you can run top to see if it's a CPU loop...
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[17:32] <blkhawk> its always 40 seconds
[17:32] <blkhawk> its some kind of timeout
[17:34] <shirro> blkhawk: what codecs are in it?
[17:34] <blkhawk> flv with h264
[17:34] <shirro> nothing else at all?
[17:34] <blkhawk> nope
[17:34] <blkhawk> no audio even
[17:35] <blkhawk> mpeg1 doen't work
[17:35] <blkhawk> all the mpeg files with audio seem to work
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[17:42] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: soooo. do you know more about the magic voodoo mmc thingy? 'cause my card does claim 20MB. If I do hdparm --direct I get 13.15. Even if there is an MB/MiB confusion going on here, that's still 20 vs 13.5
[17:42] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: I'm wondering if my card is intended to handle a slightly faster rate
[17:43] <nemo> wondering if I could try, say, 320
[17:43] <nemo> and what would happen if I did :)
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[17:43] <IT_Sean> dooo eeet
[17:43] <gordonDrogon_> nemo well give it a go... when you're next to it to fix it...
[17:43] <blkhawk> you will get lots of mmc errors
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[17:44] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: hehe. yeah, I guess doing it remotely is a bit risky. talking my SO through popping the SD card out, putting it in the laptop, mounting it and editing the config.txt might be a bit much :)
[17:45] <gordonDrogon_> nemo well - just the moving bit ought to be fine - you can remote into the lappy to fix it up,,,
[17:45] <nemo> gordonDrogon_: oh. true! I think I do have ssh running on that laptop
[17:45] <nemo> let's see
[17:46] <nemo> yay
[17:46] <nemo> hm.
[17:46] <nemo> well.
[17:46] <shirro> nemo: I think the driver needs a lot of optimisation and the clock thing is just brute forcing things. It only gets us so far and the rest will have to come from a better driver. Not sure what the hardware limits are though. My other arm SoC manages 15MB/s on two sd card interfaces and can do sata and usb and ethernet without falling in a heap but it costs a bit more.
[17:47] <nemo> shirro: so. you think 240Mhz is already abusing the HW? It isn't just that too low a freq was set to start with?
[17:48] <Vilkku> can I ask for some raspbmc help here as well or is there some other channel for that? my problem is that on the "installing root filesystem" screen I get loads of "error -110 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x900"
[17:48] <Vilkku> followed by "mmc0: final write to SD card still running"
[17:48] <Vilkku> and
[17:48] <gordonDrogon_> My suspicions are that the driver is "good enough" for a little set top box, then we come along an expect the earth out of it and it's never really been tested/optimised by the folks at Broadcom at all...
[17:49] <Vilkku> "mmc0: Timeout waiting for hardware interrupt - cmd12."
[17:49] <blkhawk> some intern probably wrote it as a first project
[17:49] <gordonDrogon_> there was mention of some chap in Taiwan on th forums I think.
[17:49] <gordonDrogon_> Vilkku, sounds like your having SD card problems...
[17:50] <shirro> nemo: it might be too low a freq but I think there is more to increasing that freq to get higher performance. I think the freq will not get anyone to more than 3x
[17:50] <gordonDrogon_> and I'm having file copy problems, but not on a Pi - rsync copying a 350GB partition on one server to another and it's not going very fast )-:
[17:50] <Vilkku> gordonDrogon_, it does indeed :P this one was on the "supported" list though
[17:51] <shirro> nothing exposes hardware or driver issues like rsync
[17:51] <gordonDrogon_> Vilkku, I have a supported one that fails )-:
[17:51] <Vilkku> :(
[17:51] <Matt> shirro: for storage perhaps
[17:51] <Matt> gcc does a pretty good job at showing CPU and RAM issues
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[17:51] <Matt> morning SPO
[17:52] <reider59> my good one failed earlier. closer inspection though shows a chunk out of the plastic, so something happened to it somewhere along the line. Good job I had a spare, even if half the size
[17:52] <neofutur> gordonDrogon_: you already know dd netcat bzip2 ? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-copy-compressed-drive-image-over-network.html
[17:52] <neofutur> can be faster than rsync ;)
[17:52] <gordonDrogon_> neofutur, yea. but rsync is convenient.
[17:52] <nid0> you can just use compressed rsync
[17:53] <gordonDrogon_> lots and lots of small files here though which isn't helping.
[17:53] <Anppa> tar cz . | ssh me@box 'cat >dump.tgz'
[18:00] <gordonDrogon_> as alwas there's 1001 ways to do something...
[18:01] <nemo> shirro: I'm kinda puzzled actually. I guess I don't understand the underlying HW... http://www.sandisk.com/Assets/File/OEM/Manuals/SD_SDIO_specsv1.pdf lists clock range of 0-25MHz
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> normally I'd not be woried, but I cocked up the fstab so when I rebooted one server it didn't way hello to me agin, so I'm on-site, otherwise I'd be in the comfort of home.
[18:01] <nemo> I guess that is something different
[18:01] <nemo> also mentions various transfer modes
[18:01] <nid0> ip kvm's are your friend :P
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> maybe there's a clock limitation on the Pi. Who knows what routing a 25MHz signal is going to do...
[18:01] <Matt> rsync over it's own native protocol is also quite a bit faster than rsync over ssh
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, yes they are, but this client doesn't have any )-:
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[18:01] <shirro> That clock would be divided and it might be that it is capped and the number is used by something else in the source to set soem other timing. I don't think it has been investigated fully
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, I used them on my own servers + serial consoles - however thy're 300 miles away. Fortunately this site is only 10 miles away.
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> yea, who knows what else we're overclocking ...
[18:01] <nid0> from home, or you still in devon?
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> However I gues the rune was found by strings in the boot loaders...
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, I'm still in devon, home is devon too.
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, my own servers ar ein sheffield...
[18:01] <nid0> ah
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> althought I've just gone and gotten a VPS which I think is in France...
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[18:01] <nid0> pf, I could sell you a vps from work in london :>
[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> who do you work for?
[18:01] <nid0> http://www.blackfoot.co.uk/
[18:01] <Trickierstinky> gorodonDragon_: Awesome does this mean another sheffielder resides in this channel ?
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> Trickierstinky, no I'm in Devon.
[18:01] <Trickierstinky> :( damn!
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[18:01] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, your prices are higher than I pay to host my own servers in sheffield...
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[18:01] <IT_Sean> Good. There is a limit of one of those per channel.
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> actually, I've just gotten a VPS from kimsuffi (OVC)... costing me under ?15 for 3 months and I get 1TB/month transfer...
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> thinking of using it to host a ~120MB SD card image of my BASIC + minimal Debian to support it.
[18:06] <nid0> our vps's are managed, and as far as we know the cheapest managed ones available anywhere in the uk
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, Bytemark.
[18:06] <nacimmep> just make a torrent :P
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, Bitfolk.
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> nacimmep, torrent will work if it gets popular :)
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, the trouble with trying to sell to geek is that they always know better ... even if they don't ;-)
[18:06] <nid0> gordonDrogon: eh? bytemark's vps's arent managed, and are around the same price.
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[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> I sell managed services to my clients, so one level of management is enough...
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[18:06] <nid0> bitfolk dont make any mention of theirs being managed either, and theirs are more expensive
[18:06] <gordonDrogon_> when I want to put myself out of business I'll recommend your services to my clients :)
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[18:07] <gordonDrogon_> nid0, maybe I'm looking at the wrong page. Your entry level is ?30 a month. Bytemark is ?15 and bitfolk is less - 8.99 from memory.
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[18:07] <nid0> yeah bitfolk is ??25 a month for entry level, with just over half the ram, less than half the disk space, and 30% less monthly transfer than ours. a comparible system from them to our starter is ??41.90 a month according to their configurator, and is still unmanaged
[18:08] <gordonDrogon_> bitfolks entry is 8.99
[18:08] <nid0> oh never mind i'm reading that wrong, badly worded table
[18:08] <gordonDrogon_> maybe not the same ram, etc.
[18:11] <gordonDrogon_> but your not going to beat ?3.99 for a TB/month..
[18:11] <gordonDrogon_> even I can't beat that on my own servers.
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon_> it's almost worth it purely to offload content...
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[18:11] <nid0> (although I hate the buzzword, ours are "cloud"-hosted on clustered hardware as well, which most arent)
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon_> :)
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[18:12] <zgreg> shirro: I'm not sure there is much optimization that can be done to improve SD performance further. the eMMC block has a ridiculously small read/write buffer, and that is probably holding back performance
[18:12] <zgreg> but really, 10 MB/s or a little more are fine
[18:12] <zgreg> 4.5 MB/s isn't :)
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon_> hostings a bit of a funny old game though. really hard to make work on a small scale like me without a lot of "value add"
[18:13] <gordonDrogon_> I suspect you have 100x (or a lot more!) the number of servers I have!
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[18:16] <nid0> a fair few, though we're consolidating down a lot thanks to having a clustered virtualisation system, a couple of giant sans and hypervisors that can mostly happily run 3-4x as many shared users on virtualised systems as separate physical servers used to
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon_> and trying to save power too, probably..
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon_> fortunately I'm not charged per amp yet...
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[18:22] <nid0> power's not a drastic consideration at the moment, our suppliers provide fixed amounts per rack that we use which tends to be plenty to run anything you can fit in the space other than the most power-gobbling of machines, but obv less servers needed is less racks :)
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon_> true!
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[18:22] <Trickierstinky> don't suppose anyone could help, could this be wired up to the Pi if so anyone know where I can find wiring and setup help?
[18:22] <Trickierstinky> http://imgur.com/a/H0DZB
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon_> check if it's 3.3v and how many pins it needs.
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[18:22] <gordonDrogon_> do you have a partnumber?
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[18:25] <Trickierstinky> gordonDrogon_: how, if I'm honest I fairly new to this
[18:25] <gordonDrogon_> Trickierstinky, what about the link to the site selling it?
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[18:25] <Trickierstinky> the thing is I was given it to me about a year ago
[18:25] <gordonDrogon_> Ah.
[18:25] <blkhawk> ah
[18:25] <gordonDrogon_> Hang on, I'll see if I can goodle it.
[18:25] <blkhawk> i know the type
[18:25] <gordonDrogon_> there are lots similar though.
[18:25] <blkhawk> yes you can drive that with a pi (or an arduino)
[18:25] <blkhawk> its pretty much the classic char display
[18:25] <Trickierstinky> blkhawk: I think it was for a arduino originally
[18:25] <blkhawk> I suggest you rn it it 4 pin mode
[18:25] <gordonDrogon_> it's a 5V device, so it's not going to be easy to connect.
[18:25] <blkhawk> you should be able to bitbank it with a pi the same as with an arduino
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[18:25] <reider59> Go to CrystalFonz and post in their forum if you get nowhere here. Give them the pic and all the details you can find. they will tell you a lot about it
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[18:25] <blkhawk> gordonDrogon: the contacts react to 3.3 just fine
[18:25] <gordonDrogon_> needs 11 signal pins.
[18:25] <blkhawk> the backlight likes 5v
[18:25] <blkhawk> no
[18:25] <blkhawk> there is a half mode
[18:26] <gordonDrogon_> -4 then.
[18:27] <blkhawk> i think 4 pins plus power and gnd are enough
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[18:27] <gordonDrogon_> http://www.winstar.com.tw/products_detail_ov.php?lang=en&ProID=22
[18:27] <blkhawk> the other can either be jumpered to hnd or vcc
[18:27] <gordonDrogon_> 3 control pins + 8 data pins.
[18:29] <blkhawk> i think 4 pins you drive is enough - i used them before
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[18:29] <gordonDrogon_> ok
[18:29] <gordonDrogon_> I've always used the full compliment!
[18:29] <Trickierstinky> don't suppose any knows of a good tutorial or anything then as I don't want to mess anything up
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[18:30] <blkhawk> Trickierstinky: just look at the arduino guide for the HD44780 4-bit modes
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[18:30] <blkhawk> then just adapt where apptopiate to python and pi
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[18:30] <blkhawk> this will be horribly inefficient ;)
[18:32] <Trickierstinky> lol ok, but how would I then connect that up to the pi? see thats where I scared, as i don't mind messing up the lcd its the pi lol
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[18:33] <D34TH> lol
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[18:33] <gordonDrogon_> I'm trying to put together some simple tutorials for the GPIO, but work keens getting in the way...
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[18:34] <blkhawk> well
[18:34] <blkhawk> attaching it is easy
[18:34] <blkhawk> attach every pin you need to trigger to a gpio
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[18:39] <Trickierstinky> the gpio the set of pins in between sd and av?
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon_> home time. laters.
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[18:57] <Vilkku> so, I got a problem which I'm afraid I might know the answer to already but I just want to put it out there:
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[18:57] <Vilkku> I got a keyboard/tocuhpad combo, not the logitech one, not listed in the wiki. keyboard works great but the cursor doesn't want to move properly in the vertical axis
[18:58] <Vilkku> not properly as in it attempts to move but it jumps back down. so it reponds to input
[18:58] <Vilkku> horizontal movement is fine
[18:58] <Vilkku> for a short moment I did manage to get it working properly. but no idea what I did
[18:58] <Vilkku> is this just device incompatibility, or could there be something I could do to fix it?
[19:00] <teKuru> if it worked for a little bit there is hope
[19:00] <IT_Sean> could be a driver issue
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[19:01] <Trickierstinky> anyone know where best to buy gpio cable from
[19:01] <IT_Sean> A standard floppy cable will do, Trickierstinky
[19:01] <IT_Sean> there really isn't a "GPIO" cable, though. Any cable that matches the # of pins and pitch will work.
[19:02] <Trickierstinky> ahh right so could i use a ide cable
[19:02] <teKuru> you can strip one side of the floppy cable and put ferrules on the individual cables to make a breakout cable too
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[19:02] <teKuru> or even the individual m-f jumper cables work
[19:02] <teKuru> just has to be conductive :D
[19:03] <Vilkku> IT_Sean / teKuru, if it's a driver issue, what could be done to fix it? there aren't any official drivers for this keyboard that I'm aware of even for windows, and I doubt there is any communnity behind it either :P
[19:03] <Vilkku> think it could be a power problem? I had it directly plugged in into the pi
[19:03] <Vilkku> though the jittering it does doesn't seem like a power issue to me
[19:04] <teKuru> can you link to the individual keyboard youre using?
[19:04] <teKuru> it just identifies itself as a USB HID device?
[19:05] <Vilkku> I turned off the pi now and unplugged the cables, but I can check in windows if that makes any difference?
[19:05] <IT_Sean> Trickierstinky: an IDE cable usually has one of the pins blocked off, so, that won't work
[19:05] <teKuru> of course, you should always have a control
[19:05] <IT_Sean> but a floppy cable will
[19:05] <teKuru> if you don't know if it works in windows, there is no sense in tracking down an issue with an unknown platform
[19:06] <Vilkku> well, it does work in windows :) let me check what it says
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[19:06] <teKuru> http://www.adafruit.com/products/862 this is one you can buy
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[19:07] <Trickierstinky> the ide cable I have has no blanking plate on the pin so i may risk it :D but thanks for the help
[19:07] <Vilkku> teKuru, indeed, using the power of elimination I can determine that indeed only lists itself as "HID Keyboard Device"
[19:07] <Vilkku> and "HID-compliant mouse"
[19:08] <teKuru> one would think that would eliminate driver issues, for basic functionality of the devices at least
[19:08] <dmsuse> anyone done any work on getting an ipad screen working with the pi yet?
[19:08] <teKuru> chances of that being something reproducible even happening at all are slim dmsuse
[19:09] <teKuru> its not like tosn of people have ipad screens just laying around :D
[19:09] <Vilkku> I might boot into my debian squeeze card and see if I can find any more info later tonight
[19:09] <gmjhowe> I want to see driver for the USB powered/USB signal screens.
[19:09] <Vilkku> otherwise I'll just go and trade this one in for the logitech K400, as it seems to be working pretty okay from what I have heard
[19:10] <teKuru> yeah displaylink support would be nice, though I thought there has been work on archlinux arm for displaylink devices
[19:10] <teKuru> not sure
[19:11] <gmjhowe> Yeah, there are linux drivers.
[19:11] <gmjhowe> I don't know enough about linux to actually give it a go.
[19:11] <teKuru> I don't have a displaylink adapter hah
[19:11] <teKuru> been eying them but coudl never device between an adapter or a wholly contained adapter+lcd+touch
[19:11] <gmjhowe> I have one of the little 7" screens.
[19:12] <gmjhowe> would make for a very nice tiny laptop
[19:13] <gmjhowe> As well as a small head for a server
[19:13] <gmjhowe> Seems silly to use a Pi as a server only to need a massive screen for the head.
[19:13] <hotwings> why?
[19:13] * gordonDrogon is here now.
[19:14] <gmjhowe> Well because using one as a server is one of the few times the tiny size works to its advantage
[19:15] <gmjhowe> Put my first prototype case together today.
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[19:16] <gmjhowe> If anyone wants to see a snapshot?
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[19:20] <the_cuckoo> gmjhowe: sure
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[19:20] <gmjhowe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmjhowe/7336644130/in/photostream
[19:20] <gmjhowe> (probably should have just posted)
[19:20] <the_cuckoo> heh - yeah - nice :)
[19:20] <the_cuckoo> better than my effort :D
[19:20] <Vilkku> wow, that is pretty cool
[19:21] <Vilkku> my "case" is it sitting on the foam from the packaging
[19:21] <the_cuckoo> mine is made of lego - trying to fit in a usb hub, usb powered pico projector and usb speaker :)
[19:22] <the_cuckoo> http://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mnXPbztotOE/T8viEJFvQ6I/AAAAAAAACwg/qNugD3y6LzY/w892-h669-k/12%2B-%2B1 <- it looks better now (a bit anyway), but this was last nights prototype
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[19:23] <gmjhowe> Nice
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[19:23] <the_cuckoo> speaker is now on top and i rebuilt most of the top two floors - really would like to do something which isn't lego down the line, but just trying to get the hardware right first
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[19:24] <gmjhowe> Yeah, I realised all the current cases are great for tinkering around, but the fact that every side has a port makes most cases look a little higgly
[19:24] <Owner> any news on X driver?
[19:24] <gmjhowe> Which does not work for a media centre.
[19:24] <the_cuckoo> yeah - need to be a bit clever with some internal wiring i think - makes the case a bit bigger, but should be doable
[19:25] <Owner> im gonna buy one of these when there is an accelerated driver
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[19:26] <the_cuckoo> i need a usb hub which can power the pico, speaker and pi itself...
[19:26] <gmjhowe> Heh
[19:26] <gmjhowe> I have a spare 7 Port usb laying around, been using that.
[19:26] <gmjhowe> Belkin one
[19:26] <the_cuckoo> yeah - saw a few online which should do the trick
[19:26] <the_cuckoo> what's the model of yours?
[19:26] <gmjhowe> Let me grab a picture to show how it works so well.
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[19:30] <gmjhowe> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/26330117/gmjhowe/2012-06-04%2018.25.58.jpg
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[19:30] <the_cuckoo> gmjhowe: sounds good - will be coming and going for a bit while the kids are going to bed though...
[19:31] <the_cuckoo> cheers :)
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[19:31] <gmjhowe> (still uploading)
[19:31] <the_cuckoo> 404 on that one
[19:31] <the_cuckoo> ah - k
[19:31] <gmjhowe> Ok try it now
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[19:33] <gmjhowe> So, the belking up works nicely because it has 5 external ports, including the power, then you have can have two ports on the inside, one to power the Pi.
[19:33] <gmjhowe> The only cable you have to route back inside a case would be the signal cable.
[19:33] <ReggieUK> gmjhowe, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-PORT-HIGH-SPEED-USB-2-0-MULTI-HUB-EXPANSION-SPLITTER-/270613784739?pt=UK_Computing_USB_Cables&hash=item3f01d6a8a3
[19:33] <ReggieUK> those usb hubs have a very small board inside them
[19:33] <ReggieUK> about 1" square
[19:34] <ReggieUK> they're not powered
[19:34] <gmjhowe> Yeah, half the reason for adding a hub is for power.
[19:34] <ReggieUK> but the circuit is so simple, you could easily see how to externally power it
[19:34] <ReggieUK> the chips in those hubs are the same ones they use in the 7port/2amp cheap ebay hubs
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[19:37] <gmjhowe> For any lego Pi cases out there - http://usb.brando.com/usb-brick-4-port-hub-iii_p01619c039d015.html
[19:38] <djazz> :D
[19:38] <weasel> bootc: so, reverting 84045e4d does indeed make for a happy kernel. boots now.
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[19:38] <gmjhowe> I have bought from Brando a lot, so I recommend you have a browse for USB hubs
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[19:41] <Owner> im gonna buy one of these when there is an accelerated driver
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[19:43] <gmjhowe> You already said that.
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[19:45] <bootc> weasel: interesting, thanks
[19:45] <weasel> (doesn't revert cleanly tho.)
[19:46] <skryking> gmjhowe, is that lego hub powered? I see the miniusb on the side of it.
[19:46] <Vilkku> so, yeah, mentioning accelerated driver, what is the state of the hardware and drivers for the pi? I saw someone say that the current ones are pretty terrible. will there be considerable improbements available for the boards that have been released so far, or will it only be for future ones with improved/updated hardware?
[19:47] <gmjhowe> skryking, oh yeah, good spot.
[19:47] <gmjhowe> Shame
[19:48] <bootc> weasel: no I just found that myself, care to post your tidied up tree somewhere so I can take a gander?
[19:48] <skryking> gmjhowe, I don't see any mention of being able to externally power it...but that port has me interested... I'm hunting for a cheap way to hang a wifi dongle off of my pi
[19:49] <weasel> bootc: sure. tho no guarantees. I just made it compile and it boots.
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[19:49] <bootc> weasel: that's a pretty good indication that it worked... :-)
[19:49] <gmjhowe> What do you mean by hang?
[19:49] <bootc> I'd do it myself in a bit but I'm preparing a pull request :-/
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[19:49] <skryking> plug in...
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[19:49] <skryking> use
[19:50] <weasel> bootc: http://asteria.noreply.org/~weasel/volatile/2012-06-04-0FxACnRNfhs/0001-Revert-Fix-for-mmc-timeouts-when-erasing-multiple-bl.patch
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[19:50] <bootc> weasel: thanks!
[19:51] <weasel> np
[19:51] <gmjhowe> I assume the Pi does not have enough power to run it direct?
[19:51] <skryking> not unless you are really really close to the transmitter...
[19:52] <Owner> im gonna buy one of these when there is an accelerated driver
[19:52] <daxroc> accelerated driver?
[19:52] <Owner> video card
[19:53] <gmjhowe> How about you come back when thats the case?
[19:53] <gmjhowe> Instead of repeating the same thing over and over?
[19:53] <Owner> im waiting
[19:53] <daxroc> Can think of 100s of headless projects
[19:53] <gmjhowe> skryking, what we need is a nice compact tidy 2 or 4 port usb hub.
[19:54] <gmjhowe> Someone should make one thats business card sized so it stacks directly.
[19:54] <daxroc> gmjhowe: and open / cc the design
[19:55] <skryking> I'm hunting for a 4port usb hub with built in rechargable batteries so that I can power the pi from it and put a wifi dongle in it..
[19:55] <gmjhowe> Yeah.
[19:55] <gmjhowe> What would be nice is a special connector that plugs into the lower USB port, but only extends beyond several mm.
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[19:57] <gmjhowe> I suppose if you were up to it you could solder direct onto the usb connectors on the board.
[19:58] <daxroc> eek, I wouldn't mind but wouldn't recomend it for the target audience
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[19:58] <Owner> what is the status of an accelerated x driver?
[19:59] <gmjhowe> I think once the Pi is more easy to get ahold of I would have a go at mods like that.
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[19:59] <daxroc> nice small form factor 4 port usb hub with optional battery pack
[19:59] <gmjhowe> Cheap enough that its not a massive waist if you ruin one. However at the moment they are gold dust.
[19:59] <daxroc> Would definitly be doalbe but would probably cost more than the pi
[20:00] <skryking> most peripherals are more than the pi :)
[20:00] <nid0> hurm, someone/thing broke my pi :(
[20:01] <gmjhowe> Ack, and here we are talking about doing that on purpose, how insensitive
[20:01] <gmjhowe> What have you done to it nid0?
[20:02] <daxroc> gmjhowe: so a 2Amp ps would be required doing it right ?
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[20:03] <nid0> not sure, i've been running an iscsi root with no sd card inserted the past couple of days making sure its stable, lost network connection about half an hour ago, on reboot its booting as far as networking then timing out bringing up eth0, then.... not really doing a lot after that
[20:03] <daxroc> well 3.5 doing it right with ability to power the pi too
[20:03] <nid0> gonna switch it back to a local root though, see if its something to do with the iscsi initrd
[20:05] <gmjhowe> Ah software issue, not that you snapped a port off.
[20:05] <daxroc> 700 + 120 x 2 + 4 x 500 = 2940mA so 3.1 would probably work
[20:05] <gmjhowe> Yeah.
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[20:05] <snaipperi> sup, a lot of people here :o
[20:06] <gmjhowe> Might be nice to make a version that spits out 12v for powering mini screens
[20:06] <gmjhowe> Though that would likely be mains only, not battery.
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[20:07] <daxroc> gmjhowe: I would say standard upto 4A, with a breakout board for your own ps aditions no ?
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[20:07] <gmjhowe> Yeah
[20:08] <gmjhowe> Not something I have the skills/resource to develop myself.
[20:08] <daxroc> Me either but hey I like a chalange
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[20:09] <daxroc> gmjhowe: I don't think it's overly complicated
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[20:10] <gmjhowe> daxroc: Where are you based?
[20:10] <daxroc> Ireland, Wexford. You?
[20:11] <skryking> is the pi strictly limited to 5v power or does it have a bit of room for variability?
[20:11] <protozoa> have any raspi's shipped to the US yet?
[20:12] <protozoa> is there somewhere i can reliably buy one ?
[20:12] <gmjhowe> daxroc: England, Derbyshire
[20:14] <daxroc> Not too far away !
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[20:14] <gmjhowe> Closer than most
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[20:14] <gmjhowe> figure it is very likely to meet people in here who were at the Derby Maker Faire this weekend just gone.
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[20:18] <gmjhowe> or not :)
[20:18] <daxroc> hah
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[20:21] <skryking> something like this mated with a usb hub might be interesting http://www.amazon.com/New-Trent-Thunderbolt-Blackberry-IMP60D/dp/B003690Q42
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[20:24] <daxroc> skryking: that part would be optional / use what you've got ?
[20:25] <Trickierstinky> so what the other plans people have for their Pi?
[20:26] <weasel> firewall :)
[20:26] <blkhawk> heh
[20:26] <blkhawk> its a bit slow for a firewall
[20:26] <weasel> is it? I'll have to find out
[20:26] <blkhawk> kinda reminds me of a yoggie in that regard
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[20:26] <nemo> blkhawk: probably adequate for a small network
[20:27] <blkhawk> weasel: slow as in high latency due to usb
[20:27] <nemo> blkhawk: USB? huh?
[20:27] <blkhawk> the network is attached via USB
[20:27] <nemo> blkhawk: firewall would be over ether
[20:27] <blkhawk> the network is attached via USB
[20:27] <weasel> yeah, that is an obvious drawback,
[20:27] <nemo> why would network be attached by USB?
[20:27] <nemo> oh
[20:27] <nid0> because its a usb nic
[20:27] <nemo> huh. I hadn't checked how that jack was actually...
[20:28] <weasel> but a bit of latency might be acceptable if throughput is ok
[20:28] <nid0> tbh though, I dont see any particular added latency across my local network thanks to the nic
[20:28] <nemo> ah. indeed
[20:28] <nemo> huh
[20:29] * nemo tries some timing tests
[20:29] <weasel> 64 bytes from 172.22.118.10: icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=0.566 ms
[20:29] <weasel> 64 bytes from 172.22.118.10: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.449 ms
[20:29] <weasel> on the lan - that's not horrible
[20:29] <nid0> I get about 0.4 secs to my gateway from my pi, which isnt vastly worse than from any other device
[20:29] <nemo> 6017 packets transmitted, 6017 received, 0% packet loss, time 5384ms
[20:29] <nemo> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.358/0.477/1.080/0.042 ms, ipg/ewma 0.895/0.469 ms
[20:29] <nid0> 0.4 m secs* obv
[20:29] <nemo> ping -f another internal machine
[20:30] <blkhawk> do a tcping
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[20:30] * nemo runs it a bit longer
[20:30] <blkhawk> wait i will do a tcpping
[20:30] <mythos> in fact, i have a router here, which is basically a thinclient with two usb-ethernet-devices and one onboard via-eth... that kind of setup works good enough. so a usb-ethernet is not that problem at all
[20:30] <weasel> I guess I'll find out
[20:30] <weasel> but so far it looks ok
[20:31] <blkhawk> ya well - i just remembered the yoggie
[20:31] <blkhawk> in that case the dataneeded to go through the usb bus 2 times
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> standard debian kernel is marginally slower than new kernel on raspbian at pings, but there's not much in it.
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[20:31] <weasel> gordonDrogon: which standard debian kernel?
[20:32] <Vilkku> hmm, my keyboard/touchpad combo works just fine in debian squeeze
[20:32] <gordonDrogon> weasel, Hm. good point. I may have run rpi_update on it at one point.
[20:32] <nid0> fwiw my ping times are with the entire os running over the same nic via iscsi as well, so with a locally installed system would be slightly better
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> Linux pi2 3.1.9+ #89 PREEMPT Wed May 30 12:29:35 BST 2012 armv6l GNU/Linux
[20:32] <Slayerduck> What video player can i use for debian that can supports 1080p hardware decoding for x264 codex ?
[20:32] <Vilkku> anyway, the resolution in squeeze is not as big as it should be, and there is only one option in the settings. any pointers?
[20:32] <blkhawk> omxplayer is the only player
[20:33] <mythos> Vilkku, do you see a EDID-hexdump, if you type xrandr --prop?
[20:34] <mythos> *an
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[20:35] <Vilkku> sec apparently my keyboard layout is wrong
[20:37] <Vilkku> nothing that resembles hex. says screen 0: minimum 1824x984, current 1824x984, maximum 1824x984
[20:37] <Vilkku> should be noted that I'm using the GUI
[20:37] <Vilkku> during startup it used the whole monitor
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[20:38] <Vilkku> anyway, did some searching, embarrassing that I didn't spot this (http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting#Big_black_borders_around_small_image_on_HD_monitors)
[20:38] <Vilkku> taking a look at that now
[20:38] <mythos> Vilkku, the problem here is, that i cannot run my pi at the moment, so i don't know, if the driver dumps that information.
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[20:38] <mythos> Vilkku, but it could be, that the monitor does not provide a valid EDID-Information
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[20:47] <daxroc> gmjhowe: Just took a quick look at a few hubs here, the actual circuts are minimal. And the two I've looked at are unpowered but have the pins exposed for external power
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[20:48] <gmjhowe> I imagine they use the same boards
[20:49] <gmjhowe> Would be good to make a standard mobile phone li-ion battery work.
[20:50] <daxroc> Yeah. and hackable for any
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[20:53] <sulaiman> my raspberry pi cost me 75$ (35$ + 40$ freight charges)!
[20:53] <gmjhowe> How come?
[20:53] <sulaiman> it's been so long since I ordered, I don't even remember which option I picked
[20:54] <sulaiman> gmjhowe, I am guessing it's because of the distance? I live in UAE
[20:54] <gmjhowe> Aha I see
[20:54] <sulaiman> just recieved the invoice confirmation an hour ago
[20:54] <IT_Sean> distance, and import tax / duty
[20:54] <sulaiman> UAE is tax-free
[20:55] <IT_Sean> is it?
[20:55] <sulaiman> not sure, it's the first time I bought something online from overseas
[20:55] <sulaiman> let me confirm
[20:55] <IT_Sean> You may not have to pay tax internally, but, you may still have ot pay an import duty
[20:56] <nid0> supposedly import duty to UAE is 10%
[20:57] <IT_Sean> AHA!
[20:57] <IT_Sean> SEE!
[20:57] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:57] <beardface_> I'm getting some information on doing a production run of my case, injection molding them
[20:57] <beardface_> should considerably drop the price on my cases
[20:57] <gmjhowe> Which case beardface_?
[20:57] <beardface_> https://plus.google.com/photos/100813533400102669109/albums/5750028861657556225
[20:57] <beardface_> Those cases
[20:58] <beardface_> Or, on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-3D-Printed-Case-Assorted-Colors-/180898812928?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item2a1e68d400#ht_507wt_1325
[20:58] <gmjhowe> Nice, those ones 3D printed?
[20:58] <beardface_> Yeah
[20:58] <beardface_> make them in my basement
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[20:59] <sulaiman> I shall be getting my pi in 3-5 days! :D
[20:59] <gmjhowe> Those mounting holes on the back are a nice idea.
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[20:59] <nid0> got any photos of those cases in the dark/semidark with a pi's leds lit?
[21:00] * gmjhowe adds to list of features to try
[21:00] <beardface_> nid0: yeah, one sec
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[21:01] <beardface_> nid0: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-E52ywFPNFgc/T8hJy7XvF3I/AAAAAAAAIDI/PdPKTMQfWIo/w380-h507-k/12%2B-%2B1
[21:01] <beardface_> the silver is semi transparent
[21:02] <beardface_> blue / orange don't let much light through other than the holes
[21:02] <gmjhowe> How many have you sold to date?
[21:02] <beardface_> haven't tried with white/yellow
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[21:02] <beardface_> not many; ~10
[21:02] <beardface_> the price is too high for most people... They take me 2 hours to make, one at a time, so its fair
[21:02] <beardface_> but I get that people want cheap cases
[21:03] <nemo> beardface_: well, people are comparing to cost of device no doubt
[21:03] <beardface_> yeah, agreed
[21:03] <nemo> beardface_: and certainly mass-producing a case would be a bit risky for you. wouldn't want to get stuck w/ 5000 cases no one wants
[21:03] <beardface_> but; those people probably bought a keyboard, or a mouse
[21:03] <beardface_> and that was more than the pi
[21:03] <beardface_> nemo: exactly
[21:03] <nemo> beardface_: maybe you could offer people customisation, or offer to print any case available on thingiverse
[21:03] <nemo> beardface_: I didn't buy anything extra for my pi :)
[21:03] <beardface_> nemo: i dont want to have to deal with all the different options
[21:04] <nemo> I had all the extra stuff lying around at home
[21:04] <beardface_> Having colors to choose is enough for me
[21:04] <nemo> well. loading a model on thingiverse might not be too hard.
[21:04] <nid0> customisation options would be neat, i'd love to find a single case that can hold two pis
[21:04] <nemo> nid0: lol.
[21:04] <gmjhowe> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Laser-Cut-Acrylic-case-Raspberry-Pi-/251072149023?pt=UK_Computing_Case_Accessories_Tool_Kits&hash=item3a7510f61f#ht_500wt_1240
[21:04] <nemo> nid0: Pi array?
[21:05] <gmjhowe> 400 of those sold
[21:05] <gmjhowe> ~200 via ebay
[21:05] <beardface_> 400 rubber band cases
[21:05] <beardface_> lol
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[21:05] <beardface_> i prefer the snap tight case i print
[21:05] <beardface_> but to each his own
[21:05] <nid0> nemo basically yeah, i've got two so far, will try to grab another 3 once theyre easier to buy, generally hobbying around with thin client/clustering capabilities
[21:06] <nemo> nid0: one guy mentioned want to use them for booth demos
[21:06] <gmjhowe> They actually use the oomlout connector.
[21:06] <nemo> nid0: guess stacking 'em would make it easier to hook up a bunch of screens
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[21:06] <gmjhowe> beardface_: Did you see my prototype earlier?
[21:07] <beardface_> negative
[21:07] <beardface_> link?
[21:07] <nemo> hrm. but they are so tiny. could just tape to each display
[21:07] <nid0> nemo yeah I guess so, I have no real need for screens other than error checking though, so for me access to hdmi would be needed but not exactly priority number 1 for neatness/ease of use
[21:08] <nemo> so someone here mentioned a USB power supply w/ solar panel that charges during the day, and Pi draws off of at night
[21:08] <nid0> a stacked case that blocks gpio/audio/composite would be np though
[21:08] <nemo> does anyone here happen to know roughly what the specs for something like that would have to be if I googled around for existing chargers?
[21:08] <GabrialDestruir_> Wtf.... my new ubuntu laptop is showing openelec three times?
[21:08] <nemo> like. size of panel, battery
[21:08] <gmjhowe> http://www.flickr.com/photos/gmjhowe/7336644130/in/photostream
[21:09] <nid0> nemo sure, one sec
[21:09] <beardface_> gmjhowe: neat idea
[21:10] <nid0> nemo in theory https://powertraveller.com/iwantsome/primatepower/powermonkeyextreme/ is about exactly the kind of spec needed to run a pi 24/7, assuming constant full sunlight
[21:10] <nemo> hm
[21:10] <nemo> constant full sunlight is rarely guaranteed :)
[21:10] <nid0> obv you'd need something with a much bigger solar cell if you want to be able to run it all the time and account for clouds/night time
[21:11] <nemo> 'k
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[21:11] <GabrialDestruir_> ...
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir_> SFTP, and two Windows shares?
[21:11] <gmjhowe> beardface_: just working on V2 now, I can afford to reduce the height a little, making a better system to hold the board as well.
[21:11] <GabrialDestruir_> Isn't that a bit overkill?
[21:12] <deam> are Simon Arlott or Chris Booth in here by any chance?
[21:12] <nemo> nid0: hm. I'm a bit skeptical of your setup
[21:12] <nid0> ?
[21:12] <nemo> nid0: that solar panel says output is 3 watts
[21:12] <digger3> Hi, I'm trying to run a reasonably large java process on the rpi, but it locks up completely as soon as it allocates a fair chunk of memory. Is there a way to properly debug why it freezes (i.e. NIC doesn't respond anymore)
[21:12] <nemo> nid0: the Pi in moderate load would pull about that
[21:12] <nemo> nid0: so. you'd need at least double to store up power for the night
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[21:13] <GabrialDestruir_> Actually, there's a solution to your problem digger3
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[21:13] <GabrialDestruir_> If it is what I think it is that is.
[21:13] <nid0> nemo exactly, as I said that panel provides about smack on what the pi draws (obv there is a battery for buffer) assuming the panel is getting constant sunlight
[21:13] <digger3> GabrialDestruir_: no, java isn't blem ;)
[21:13] <nemo> nid0: well. you said run 24/7 :)
[21:13] <digger3> GabrialDestruir_: *problem, or you referring to something else? :)
[21:13] <deam> digger3: you could try to ulimit your process
[21:13] <nemo> nid0: obviously to run 24/7 you need to collect twice as much sun during the day :-p
[21:13] * ReggieUK waits for SpeedEvil to tell everyone what size panel you need to run a pi
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[21:14] <GabrialDestruir_> add the following line to the file /etc/sysctl.conf, reboot and try running it again: vm.min_free_kbytes = 8192
[21:14] <SSilver2k2> lo all
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[21:14] <ReggieUK> I think it was about 280watts or there abouts to run a pi 24/7
[21:14] <nemo> nid0: and I assume that value is optimal insolation. presumably standard would be much more
[21:14] <ReggieUK> and a battery
[21:14] <Owner> if you ran the raspberry pi off a laptop battery in the wild, how many days could you probably go before you'd have to swap batteries
[21:14] <nid0> well okay, that exact unit unless you're following the sun around the world would probably give you about 24x2
[21:14] <nemo> ReggieUK: uh. 280 watts??
[21:14] <nemo> ReggieUK: you mean w/h ?
[21:14] <nemo> confused
[21:14] <SSilver2k2> would anyone like my authorization code to purchase a rpi from RS Online. I already got mine from Element14 and I dont need another right now
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[21:14] <nemo> ReggieUK: I thought the Pi was only 3W
[21:15] <nemo> ReggieUK: 2 and change when idling
[21:15] <nid0> you'd probably need more like 9-12w practically to run a pi
[21:15] <ReggieUK> like I said, I'll let SpeedEvil explain, he knows more about it all than I do
[21:15] <digger3> GabrialDestruir_: ah, good tip, in that way I will know whether it's OOMing or not
[21:15] <nid0> along with a battery
[21:15] <GabrialDestruir_> That line will tell the Pi to try and keep 8MB of Ram free, which might be causing it to sieze up
[21:15] <gmjhowe> SSilver2k2: someone earlier was asking
[21:15] <gmjhowe> began with p
[21:15] <blkhawk> so i got an invoice from farnell
[21:15] <blkhawk> but no rasberry yet
[21:15] <blkhawk> oh well i already have one
[21:16] <Owner> worst product launch EVER
[21:16] <blkhawk> heh indeed
[21:16] <SSilver2k2> most game companies has worse launches
[21:16] <gmjhowe> Not so sure about that.
[21:16] <blkhawk> exspecially since i ordered from rs online after i ordered from farnell
[21:16] <SSilver2k2> Wii, Xbox360, not PS3
[21:16] <GabrialDestruir_> lawl
[21:16] <GabrialDestruir_> Worst launch I've seen recently was D3
[21:16] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
[21:17] <GabrialDestruir_> At least the US launch anyways.
[21:17] <Owner> lol
[21:17] <SSilver2k2> youd think with the infrastructure and support from WoW, they would learn how to handle a game launch lol
[21:17] <GabrialDestruir_> Indeed.
[21:17] <Owner> its stupid
[21:17] <SSilver2k2> i like sparkfuns freeday results
[21:17] <Owner> i was trying to play the other night
[21:17] <Owner> couldnt get in
[21:17] <SSilver2k2> how they release the analytics about taing thier server
[21:17] <Owner> and i just wanted single player hardcore
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[21:18] <digger3> GabrialDestruir_: it seems that the debian squeeze image already has the vm_min_free_bytes set to that value. Any other hints?
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir_> But at least with the Pi once you get it, it's not like.... "Oops... your pi is down for 4 hours"
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir_> Hmm.
[21:18] <nid0> nemo as a more practical solution, https://powertraveller.com/iwantsome/primatepower/solargorilla/ + https://powertraveller.com/iwantsome/primatepower/powergorilla/
[21:18] <SSilver2k2> depends, compiling may take it down for hours
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir_> strace it
[21:18] <nid0> would probably keep you going pretty much constantly
[21:18] <SSilver2k2> not going to try and run another shell while its compiling something big lol
[21:18] <GabrialDestruir_> More specifically strace -f it
[21:18] <SSilver2k2> im loving my pi so far though
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[21:18] <SSilver2k2> im compiling a version of LOVE2D right now
[21:18] <digger3> GabrialDestruir_: probably not doable, the app is pretty hefty
[21:19] <nemo> nid0: wow. "may not work with some laptops over 40 watts directly"
[21:19] <nid0> nemo: thats a 21,000mAh battery (which should on its own run the pi for about 30 hours) plus a 10watt solar panel
[21:19] <nemo> nid0: so. even assuming a cloudy day and maybe only 20% of capacity...
[21:19] <GabrialDestruir_> Well strace should show you where it's going wrong, and in my experience keeps it from crashing all together.
[21:19] <nemo> nid0: you'd still be waaaaay over 6W or so which probably would be needed to power Pi and charge
[21:20] <Owner> is windpower or solar more reliable for rpi
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[21:20] <GabrialDestruir_> I was doing some debug on Raspbmc, and if I tried to do things like huge installs it'd crash, but I tried strace -f and it'd exit out with errors instead.
[21:20] <nemo> Owner: solar would definitely be more compact :)
[21:20] <GabrialDestruir_> If it exited badly that is.
[21:20] <nemo> Owner: and reliable
[21:21] <Owner> how long could you run an rpi off a potato?
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir_> More often than not I found that with strace -f running it wouldn't crash.
[21:21] <blkhawk> a small radio termal pile should run a raspberry for decades
[21:21] <nemo> nid0: 21000 mAh in 5V mode
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir_> The same amount of time you could run GladOS off a potato.
[21:21] <GabrialDestruir_> >.>
[21:21] <blkhawk> hehe
[21:21] <nid0> nemo yep, which is what the pi uses
[21:22] <GabrialDestruir_> Which I imagine in the real world wouldn't be very long....
[21:22] <Owner> what about a bagdad battery, and which is more efficient, cat, dog, goat, or human feces
[21:22] <nemo> nid0: yeah, actually, that would last for like 24h under stead load for the Pi
[21:22] <nemo> nid0: enough to survive a night or even a few stormy days
[21:22] <nemo> nice
[21:23] <nid0> it should actually be more, 30 hours assumes a full 700w draw - if you dont have usb devices plugged in, youll get longer
[21:23] <nid0> 700mA*
[21:24] <nemo> nid0: I was just imagining a self-contained Pi station. But, yeah, I'd almost certainly want USB devices plugged in
[21:24] <blkhawk> 700w would be a lot
[21:24] <nemo> nid0: camera at least
[21:24] <nemo> maaaaybe Wifi
[21:24] <digger3> GabrialDestruir_: thanks for the advise
[21:24] <reider59> <<< Playing with Fedora Remix. I know its bugged, but managed to get past the dodgy login and having a mosey. Got the desktop on, just needs adjusting
[21:24] <nemo> blkhawk: well, this particular battery is apparently 75WH - soooo over a 12h night, that'd mean I could draw as much as 6W sustained right?
[21:24] <nemo> then in the day, sun comes out, battery recharges
[21:25] <blkhawk> well
[21:25] <blkhawk> you should keep in mind winter and that lipo does not like cold temps
[21:25] <GabrialDestruir_> On the other hand, apparently a potato only has between 1 and 1.5 volts of electricity... So I imagine it won't power the pi at all :p
[21:25] <blkhawk> if its a non-portable installation a small motocrycle lead acid battery would be much better
[21:27] <blkhawk> but to make it truely winterproof you need a way to cler off the solar panel
[21:28] <GabrialDestruir_> We should genetically modify potatoes to be eddible, but to also have enough energy to power a household for a day >.>
[21:28] <blkhawk> eddible might be hard to do
[21:28] * IT_Sean put the solar panel behind a sheet of perspex / glass, then install a windscreen wiper (the rear wiper off a car should do). Run the wiper off a relay controlled via GPIO, so you can remotely activate it.
[21:29] <blkhawk> or alternatively mount the panel at a few degrees slant
[21:29] <IT_Sean> to keep the snow off.
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[21:29] <nemo> blkhawk: heh. winter over here is not as bad as it is for you :)
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[21:29] <IT_Sean> I prefer my method. It's more tinkerery
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[21:30] <nemo> blkhawk: also. the low heat of use would probably melt the a thin layer of snow.
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[21:30] <DDave> gentlemen
[21:30] <nemo> blkhawk: heck. the fact the panels are black would keep most snow off around here
[21:30] <blkhawk> if you build a box to contain the battery and the rasberry and insulate it?
[21:30] <DDave> eduard khil (mr trolololo) is dead
[21:30] <IT_Sean> Where i live, the town's solar panels are mounted at a 45 degree angle, and still collect a LOT of snow in the winter.
[21:30] <DDave> :(
[21:30] <blkhawk> ue the panel as alid
[21:31] <blkhawk> and mount it at an angle? yes that might be enough
[21:31] <nemo> IT_Sean: I think we got snow once last winter. admittedly that was a bit unusual
[21:31] <IT_Sean> fair 'nuff
[21:31] <nemo> IT_Sean: but still. I expect I'd only have to clear it a few times per winter :)
[21:31] <blkhawk> snow on top of the panel will insulate the layer nearest to the panel
[21:31] <nemo> IT_Sean: it could even phone home if it needed the panel cleaned :)
[21:31] <blkhawk> it will get melty and slide off
[21:32] <IT_Sean> my idea could also be used to clear bird / squirrel droppings and the like
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[21:32] <ReggieUK> anyone know why plugging a powered usb hub into a pi causes a 250mV dropon the 5v rail on the pi?
[21:33] <nemo> ooh. dirt cheap cellphone + SMS plan. maybe X messages a month or just pay per use.
[21:33] <jaxdahl2> ReggieUK, polyfuse. 4.75v is still in spec
[21:33] <blkhawk> nemo: get a GSM module from china
[21:33] <nemo> at least in past, communicating w/ cellphones was pretty easy. would have to look into linux compat
[21:33] <blkhawk> those are easier to work with
[21:33] <ReggieUK> jaxdahl, not with teh supply I'm using, I've just been testing it
[21:33] <nemo> blkhawk: how expensive?
[21:34] <ReggieUK> it's an official apple 5v 1amp supply
[21:34] <blkhawk> 20usd or so
[21:34] <ReggieUK> for iphone etc.
[21:34] <jaxdahl2> rather, 4.75V is in spec for the USB 5v output
[21:34] <nemo> blkhawk: ah. that's not too bad
[21:34] <jaxdahl2> i don't know about the board
[21:34] <ReggieUK> drops to 4.5v
[21:34] <ReggieUK> if I plug the powered hub in
[21:34] <ReggieUK> I've got a cigar lighter 12v to 5v adapter that does significantly better
[21:35] <IT_Sean> what if you cut the power lines, leaving only data, between the USB port on the Pi and the Hub?
[21:35] <ReggieUK> either way plugging in a powered hub shouldn't drop the voltage should it?
[21:35] <teKuru> unless its one of them fake powered hubs
[21:35] <IT_Sean> no, it shouldn't. You've got electrons leaking somewhere.
[21:35] <ReggieUK> it's not a fake powered hub
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[21:35] <ReggieUK> I've had this hub apart to check
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[21:36] <ReggieUK> the hub itself is using a 7805, so whilst it won't do 500ma per port, it should easily cope with a 100ma mouse and a 500ma keyboard
[21:36] <ReggieUK> and it should be causing a voltage drop across tp1/2 on the pi
[21:37] <ReggieUK> shouldn't*
[21:37] <IT_Sean> nope, it shouldn't
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[21:38] <ReggieUK> so I'm currently powering the pi from a 7ah 12v battery, using a device I know is capable of delivering 5v (it sits at 5.08V without anything plugged in) and an amp or so
[21:39] <ReggieUK> I've had the cigar light adapter apart, it's not a cheap nasty one, proper ICs and coils, fat caps etc.
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[21:43] <daxroc> ReggieUK: I had the same problem with an apple usb(5.1V @2.1A) psu was reading 4.6 at tp1,2 switched to a samsung one and all was fine
[21:44] <nid0> so, touching back on a short while ago, anyone know anyone who might be willing/able to do a custom job printed/laser cut pi case?
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[21:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> Lack of directional hearing is the most profoundly annoying thing in the universe!
[21:45] <daxroc> nid0: http://dangerawesome.co/ ?
[21:45] <gmjhowe> nid0: I can
[21:45] <blkhawk> Gadgetoid_Air: I hear you
[21:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> I just put the kettle on, then sat down wondering why my laptop fan had spun up so much... it was the kettle, as I discovered after placing my almost-fanless laptop to my ear
[21:45] <blkhawk> but i do not know where you are :P
[21:45] <gmjhowe> re laser cutting
[21:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> It'd probably help if I weren't an occasional idiot
[21:46] <gmjhowe> beardface_: is doing 3D printed cases
[21:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> blkhawk: I see what you did there...
[21:46] <blkhawk> but if you hear it you run around the room like an idiot
[21:46] <gmjhowe> We have two 3D printers at the hackspace as well though, could ask both those members.
[21:46] <Gadgetoid_Air> blkhawk: it's really freakin' confusing sometimes
[21:46] <nid0> gmjhowe: he is, but not custom jobs, this was where this thought started about half an hour ago :P
[21:47] <blkhawk> i know
[21:47] <beardface_> I'd do custom jobs
[21:47] <beardface_> but only for people in this room
[21:47] <beardface_> not offering to public
[21:47] <gmjhowe> What did you want doing then?
[21:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> beardface_: ohrly?
[21:47] <beardface_> yeah
[21:48] <beardface_> I gave someone the lid model so they could design a custom lid
[21:48] <beardface_> (in sketchup)
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[21:48] <nid0> gmjhowe: in a nutshell, im looking for a decent looking properly snappable-together (not rubber-banded) case that can hold 5 pis in a small volume, wouldnt matter if the gpio/audio/composite video outputs were blocked
[21:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> I can't wait for 3D printers to finally be able to manipulate matter more directly, the current method is just a fancy technological enhancement to a positively Neanderthal method of construction
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[21:49] <gmjhowe> Sounds easy enough.
[21:49] <gmjhowe> Most my case designs block the video output
[21:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> Most case designs seem to block everything, offer little to no port reinforcement and simply focus on looking pretty...
[21:50] <gmjhowe> Really?
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[21:50] <gmjhowe> Most the cases I have seen are ultra compact, have all the ports out, and look fairly ugly.
[21:50] <beardface_> Gadetoid_Air: You want an SLA printer
[21:50] <mythos> shiny *_*
[21:51] <phoque> I love that I can rip out the SD card and plug in another to try a different system
[21:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> beardface_: I can print service level agreements on my regular printer...
[21:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> 3D printers are still cool, but I'd rather be able to ask one for "Earl grey tea" in a Picard voice
[21:52] <nid0> you mean "tea, earl grey, hot"
[21:52] <IT_Sean> Oooh yes... i wish i could have a replicator in my office. What they try to pass off as tea here should be criminal
[21:52] <gmjhowe> The main thing I notice that is missing is board supports.
[21:52] <beardface_> The Competition is over: http://www.adafruit.com/products/859
[21:52] <gmjhowe> Seem to use the sticking out ports to hold it.
[21:52] <beardface_> stuipd adafruit
[21:52] <ReggieUK> the 3d printed ones I've seen so far have all looked ugly
[21:52] <Gadgetoid_Air> nid0: something like that, yes... lord knows why he needs to specify the temperature of tea, but one would assume that a lack of brewing process makes it possible to synthesise at any temperature... including frozen, which is probably the default because nerdy I.T. people created it
[21:53] <ReggieUK> like they're made with a snail
[21:53] <ReggieUK> as the print head
[21:53] <beardface_> My Cases are prettier then adafruit's anyway: https://plus.google.com/photos/100813533400102669109/albums/5750028861657556225
[21:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> ReggieUK: have you played Voxatron!?
[21:53] <ReggieUK> but that's the nature of hobby level 3d printed designs from what I've seen
[21:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> Adafruit's isn't bad, but again no port reinforcement
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[21:54] <ReggieUK> it's the finish on the 3d printed cases that kills it for me
[21:54] <ReggieUK> the designs are all reasonable enough and functional
[21:54] <beardface_> ReggieUK: It really isn't that bad; but i hear you
[21:54] <beardface_> i like the finish, b/c it tells me: I made this.
[21:54] <gmjhowe> The adafruit one is nice, the clip in idea works a treat.
[21:54] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: I've had earl grey iced before. it is rather nice.
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[21:55] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: actually what surprises me is that the device doesn't just respond to "tea" calling up the last order
[21:55] <ReggieUK> I quite like these cases
[21:55] <ReggieUK> https://www.modmypi.com/shop/raspberry-pi-cases
[21:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'm still using SKPang's breadboard-area "case".... again no port reinforcement, and I haven't even stuck the breadboard now... but it's red, which is nice
[21:55] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: or even "a drink please" - I guess it just implies the captain is a bit of a detail freak
[21:55] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: just like the compulsive pulling on edge of his uniform
[21:55] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: True, that... on both counts
[21:56] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: or maybe he's actually a boozer and sometimes on his own he orders a long island ice tea :)
[21:56] <nemo> so he doesn't want the machine to reveal his secret by accident
[21:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo I imagine I'd have that problem... asking for a drink and getting a curry milkshake
[21:57] <ReggieUK> the wooden case here (3rd image down) looks like an interesting idea
[21:57] <ReggieUK> http://hexus.net/tech/news/chassis/37241-raspberry-pi-cases-everything-except-shortcrust/
[21:57] <IT_Sean> except that, if you read the STTNG Tech Manual, the replicator will not provide alcohol.
[21:57] <ReggieUK> if you've got a laser cutter
[21:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> ( Dave Lister ordered a beer milkshake iirc, but he has no imagination )
[21:57] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: I've heard of guinness milkshakes
[21:57] <gmjhowe> I saw that ReggieUK
[21:57] <gmjhowe> Those hinges are nice, but do not last as long as you might like.
[21:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> IT_Sean: there's a tech manual? cripes
[21:57] * IT_Sean wishes he had a laser cutter
[21:58] <gmjhowe> I use the one at my hackspace
[21:58] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/guy-fieri/guinness-milkshake-recipe/index.html
[21:58] <IT_Sean> Gadgetoid_Air: there is. I have it on my iPad.
[21:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> IT_Sean: dear God... I'm already fighting back a mammoth urge to borrow the entire TNG from a friend and marathon watch it
[21:58] * IT_Sean has that, too.
[21:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> Would probably be better spent than the time I tried to marathon through Andromeda...
[21:59] <gmjhowe> Gadgetoid_Air: I have it all sat on a shelf behind me.
[21:59] <gmjhowe> Andromeda is on Netflix.
[21:59] * IT_Sean has it on a pocket sized harddrive, in divx format
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[22:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> gmjhowe: Eee, all of it?
[22:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> I forgot where I got to
[22:00] <gmjhowe> I believe so.
[22:00] <gmjhowe> Its not quite as back to back watchable as TNG is
[22:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, left off about 2 seasons into Stargate SG1, too, I go in and out of these silly sci-fi marathon phases
[22:00] <Gadgetoid_Air> That's what is great about Firefly... mara...oh it's finished?
[22:00] <gmjhowe> I want to buy farscape on dvd
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[22:02] <Gadgetoid_Air> Page closed?
[22:02] <SpeedEvil> nemo: In short - about solar - if you actually need 24*7 in a place that's not very sunny - you need to cope with a couple of dim days. This winds up to be a stupid amount of power apparantly - around a couple of hundred watts of panel, and a hundred quid worth of lead acid battery.
[22:02] <jaxdahl2> woop, DP->DP cable and HDMI->DVI cable arrived
[22:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Annyyywaay.... http://www.hobbytronics.co.uk/ft232rl-breakout for serial-to-usb, to get the UART working on the Pi!?
[22:03] <daxroc> gmjhowe: the TI tusb2046b looks like an option. I think it's only usb1.1 ?
[22:03] <gmjhowe> Link?
[22:04] <SpeedEvil> gmjhowe: TI hubs are only 1.1 - I don't think they do USB2
[22:04] <jaxdahl2> Gadgetoid_Air, you don't necessarily need to get a breakout board, it's a common retail thing
[22:04] <daxroc> http://www.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=tusb2046b&fileType=pdf
[22:04] <bolosaur> arahgha
[22:04] <bolosaur> rahra
[22:04] <bolosaur> rarghargar ragrh
[22:04] <bolosaur> RARHAGAHR
[22:04] <bolosaur> I WANT A RASPBERRY PI
[22:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> jaxdahl2: I was going to get the breadboarduino kit, and would be happier if the breakout board also worked with the Pi
[22:04] <bolosaur> p-please... *cough*.... p...please...
[22:05] <nemo> SpeedEvil: so http://www.amazon.com/Powertraveller-SGPGKIT002-Solargorilla-Powergorilla-Combo/dp/B001M51Z1U would not be adequate?
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[22:05] <GabrialDestruir_> -puts bolosaur out of his misery-
[22:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> bolosaur: you poor fellow... relax, calm down... there will be Pi's enough for all... once the guys in here stop amassing 15 each
[22:05] <nemo> SpeedEvil: also, keep in mind I'm not talking about rainy england here :)
[22:05] <gmjhowe> Heh
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> nemo: http://www.frambozenbier.org/index.php/raspi-community-news/1132-speedevil-on-solar-power
[22:05] <SpeedEvil> nemo: Where are you?
[22:05] <GabrialDestruir_> I wish I could amass 15
[22:05] <Gadgetoid_Air> Seems I'd need a logic level converter if I wanted to hook a Pi directly to a breadboarduino, also
[22:06] <GabrialDestruir_> I'm having trouble just getting a second one.
[22:06] <gmjhowe> I think the most people have is 3
[22:06] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: use i2c ?
[22:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've passed up a couple of opportunities to get a second
[22:06] <gmjhowe> Must have been over 15 at the maker faire though.
[22:06] <nid0> < 2 here, looking forward to proper availability for another 3 though
[22:06] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: I don't even know what that means :D but I'll probably google it to death
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[22:07] <nemo> SpeedEvil: http://www.nrel.gov/gis/solar.html looks like we'd be about a "3" in January
[22:07] <nemo> hm. maybe 3.5-4 actually
[22:07] <nemo> let's say 3.5
[22:08] <nemo> SpeedEvil: your pricing there is a bit less expensive than the "solar gorilla" stuff actually. although presumably not as nice a form factor. but that's not really that important
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> nemo: The fun part is that you really want to answer the question 'what is the darkest week of the year.
[22:08] <SpeedEvil> Which most places don't.
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> The form factor is basically a massive solar panel a really fat person can hide behind and not have to crouch down
[22:09] <SpeedEvil> Think more 'door' and less 'suitcase'
[22:09] <nemo> ouch
[22:10] <SpeedEvil> Which most places don't = which most data sources don't.
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> If three weeks of january are nicely sunny - and one week has almost no sun, for example.
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> The average may be high - but that doesn't help you.
[22:11] <nemo> hm.
[22:11] <nemo> storms don't tend to last long in the winter
[22:11] <bolosaur> please.... give me.... a... p..i.........
[22:11] <ReggieUK> ha
[22:11] <Gadgetoid_Air> Use wind power as a buffer :)
[22:12] <ReggieUK> I see you picked up the solar stuff SpeedEvil :D
[22:12] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: that's getting complicated :-p
[22:12] <ReggieUK> I had a feeling you might have something to say
[22:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or use rain power, crack it for its component combustibles and run a reactor, cake
[22:12] * SpeedEvil looks at his 420W of solar panels.
[22:12] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: uh...
[22:12] <Gadgetoid_Air> H2O, clue's in the name!
[22:13] <nemo> yes. I'll just break out my portable Mr Fusion that runs on rainwater
[22:13] <blkhawk> wow
[22:13] <blkhawk> looks like greece is going to drop out of the euro
[22:13] <nemo> blkhawk: decent odds of it, yeah
[22:13] <nemo> S&P gives 1 in 3
[22:13] <blkhawk> was the only way this could end
[22:13] <Gadgetoid_Air> blkhawk: the euro, a miserable catastrophic failure for many of its constituent countries? Who would have guessed!
[22:14] <nemo> http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/06/greek-poling-ban-in-effect-until.html
[22:14] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: well. greece wasn't doing that great *before* they joined
[22:14] <ReggieUK> until... hell freezes over
[22:14] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: it was more what they did *after* they joined that really screwed them :)
[22:14] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: ssshh, don't destroy my already feeble attacks on the euro with your facts!
[22:15] <blkhawk> ya they should not have bought all that expensive stuff from us :P
[22:15] <ReggieUK> feeble attacks are probably enough to defeat the euro though to be fair
[22:15] <blkhawk> and kept out economy running
[22:15] <nemo> blkhawk: Mish lays 2:1 odds on Syriza winning
[22:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> We already have a perfectly suitable global currency to go with our perfectly suitable global language: kl... no wait, English
[22:15] <nemo> blkhawk: economies don't run indefinitely on account deficits :)
[22:15] <nemo> blkhawk: no matter who is running them up
[22:15] <Gadgetoid_Air> No wait... English is a language not a currency, and an illogical one at that, nevermind!
[22:16] <nemo> Gadgetoid_Air: oh. so the fix is to switch to Lojban ?
[22:16] <blkhawk> of course not - the crash has to happen - but thats something that should happen to every country now and then
[22:16] <bolosaur> Unnh.... Gadgetoid_air, I didn't want you involved in this... I told you not to leave the house...
[22:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> nemo: pretty much, yes, or a mixture of lojban and incoherent screaming
[22:16] <bolosaur> Take my sword and shield and listen. You can focus power in the blade (hold the B Button)... Then release it using the secret technique handed down by our people... Gadgetoid_Air, you can do it! Send me a Raspberry Pi... it's your... ... ...
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[22:16] <nemo> blkhawk: economic rise/fall have happened throughout history. What the concern is is that recently we've kinda been sloshing around in the bathtub, building up amplitude
[22:16] <Gadgetoid_Air> bolosaur: I sense you want a Raspberry Pi...
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[22:17] * IT_Sean thumps bolosaur over the head with a moderately sized trout
[22:17] <bolosaur> Well Gadgetoid_Air, now that you mention it...
[22:17] <nemo> blkhawk: Ever read Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of the Crowds?
[22:17] * IT_Sean gets the extra large trout, and gives bolosaur an evil look
[22:17] <nemo> blkhawk: by "lately" I kinda mean "last few decades or more" :)
[22:17] <blkhawk> no but i know what a major consense narrative is :P
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[22:17] <Gadgetoid_Air> IT_Sean: you gonna eat that trout? the pitiful salad I constructed for dinner has left a gap
[22:18] <custardpiman> hi all - puzzling problem here??? i can get to my pi via ssh when it's directly connected to the router - but not via a power line adapter
[22:18] * IT_Sean plonks the entire raw trout into Gadgetoid_Air's salad
[22:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> bolosaur: you could probably net an RS-online pre-order code if you hang around here long enough and wait for the opportunity, I snagged one for a colleague 'cos he never got his
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[22:18] <custardpiman> the power line adapters are powered and working??? err i think
[22:18] <Gadgetoid_Air> IT_Sean: Nom! Sushi
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[22:19] <custardpiman> but i can't ping the blooming pi via them
[22:19] <custardpiman> any clues...
[22:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> Or sashimi, even
[22:19] <bolosaur> Gadgetoid_Air: How do those appear
[22:19] <custardpiman> maybe they're not working??? hmmm
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> bolosaur: Or you could do the ebay thing.
[22:19] <Gadgetoid_Air> custardpiman: test them with something you know works... powerline adaptors seem to wield a bizarre magic
[22:19] <SpeedEvil> bolosaur: Or swaps.
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[22:20] <custardpiman> Gadgetoid_Air: yes - I mean i've done that
[22:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> custardpiman: but generally they have blinky lights that let you know they can "see" each other
[22:20] <nid0> if you're desperate, rs codes seem to be going on ebay for between ??10-??25
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[22:20] <SpeedEvil> I'll swap my Pi for a small chinese lady.
[22:20] <custardpiman> I connect to the router - i get connectivity
[22:20] <nid0> or pis are going for maybe ??50
[22:20] <gmjhowe> seen a few go for ??60
[22:20] <custardpiman> Gadgetoid_Air: yes - got the blinky lights -
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[22:20] <custardpiman> will persevere??? ta
[22:20] <Gadgetoid_Air> custardpiman: headless Pi?
[22:20] <bolosaur> Ok Gadgetoid_Air I have a great idea. You guess a number from 1 to 3. If you fail to guess which number I'm thinking of, you get me your Raspberry PI, but if you manage to guess CORRECTLY, then I get your Raspberry Pi.
[22:20] <bolosaur> Deal?
[22:20] <custardpiman> Gadgetoid_Air: yip
[22:21] <custardpiman> arch
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[22:21] <gmjhowe> I have seen two people offer RS codes for people in here.
[22:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> custardpiman: sure it's actually booted up!? :D
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[22:21] <Gadgetoid_Air> gmjhowe: likewise
[22:21] <custardpiman> got the full complement of lights on the pi
[22:21] <custardpiman> and as i say it works on the router ports
[22:21] <custardpiman> grrr
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[22:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmmm... powerline has worked for me, I even use it through *two* 4-gang adaptors
[22:22] <Gadgetoid_Air> Sorry, 2 4-gang adaptors *and* a three way plug adaptor
[22:24] <Owner> why are these so hard to get still
[22:24] <nid0> because a lot got ordered?
[22:25] <Gadgetoid_Air> Owner: at least 100,000 people want to run Xbmc on them for a few days, then file them in a drawer never to be used again
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[22:25] <nid0> rs and farnell are getting them produced in batches of tens of thousands now, and theyre up to like the first 4 hours of orders
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[22:25] <Owner> ....
[22:25] <Simon-> because too many concurrent orders from too many people is hard to handle
[22:26] <gmjhowe> I think they are doing a pretty good job of it.
[22:26] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, bolosaur thought I recognised you from OpenPandora land :D
[22:26] <nid0> even big distributors like rs and farnell take time to produce this many of a brand new item off the bat, not to mention the cost of packaging and shipping them
[22:26] <Owner> maybe i can get one by next xmas?
[22:26] <gmjhowe> Those of us who were up at 6 on the day have gotten ours early
[22:26] <gmjhowe> They will soon ramp up production.
[22:26] <nid0> look on the bright side and consider how long you'd be waiting if the foundation and like 3 helpers were having to box up and post several hundred thousand of these themselves
[22:26] <Owner> IF there is an accelerated x driver by then, otherwise im not interested
[22:27] <gmjhowe> Well, the software will be better the more development there is.
[22:27] <GabrialDestruir_> I think the humble bundle might be the only way I buy indie games from now on. lol
[22:27] <Owner> i dont want to write an x driver :(
[22:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> Looking at similar things to the Pi, with far fewer owners and interest, I can forecast that in an arbitrary number of months the stuff being done on the Pi will melt your brain
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> Someone has to write the x drive
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> r
[22:28] <IT_Sean> i hope not.
[22:28] <IT_Sean> I like my brain!
[22:28] <GabrialDestruir_> Better you than me :p
[22:28] <bolosaur> Gadgetoid_Air: Nope. I'm just an IRC-goer. :3
[22:28] <Gadgetoid_Air> The Pi, like anything else in its category, becomes a better value proposition to the less experienced user the longer it's been around
[22:30] <Gadgetoid_Air> So if you don't have a Pi yet, chillax... there's a lot of hassle you wont have to endure :D
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[22:30] <gmjhowe> Agreed.
[22:31] <gmjhowe> Not being that experianced with linux and software I feel at a little bit of a loss.
[22:31] <Owner> good, so which one of you is writing the x driver
[22:31] <gmjhowe> How about you stop complaining and get to it yourself?
[22:32] <reider59> Owner, not applied for one yet?
[22:32] <Owner> hmm do i setup a qemu ?
[22:32] <Owner> running arm
[22:32] <nid0> god, I hope the model c can be powered via poe
[22:32] <IT_Sean> the model c?
[22:32] <Owner> i cant do it without the proprietary hardware
[22:33] <IT_Sean> there is no model c.
[22:33] <nid0> okay, i'll rephrase for the pedants.
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> I want the model D, with the hotplate, and wok.
[22:33] <Gadgetoid_Air> I, for one, need to get my behind in gear and buy up some arduino guides and starter kits, so I can try it all out with the Pi and rewrite the guides into Ruby :D
[22:33] <nid0> got I hope there's a model c and it can be powered via poe.
[22:33] <Ben64> poe sucks though
[22:33] <SpeedEvil> balls
[22:33] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't count on it.
[22:33] <nid0> why?
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> With KidsRuby on the Pi, there needs to be a pro
[22:34] <Gadgetoid_Air> D'oh!: progression to the "next step"
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[22:35] <Gadgetoid_Air> How do you turn someone with an interest in "Scratch" into an actual programmer, as programming gets more sophisticated the "instant gratification" of things like that is subdued
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> I suggest a new paradigm - to follow on from Scratch.
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> We could call it Sniff.
[22:36] <daxroc> The arduino uses processing / C (sortof)?
[22:36] <skryking> I'm teaching my 6 year old how to use scratch right now
[22:36] <daxroc> where is ruby involved ?
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[22:36] <reider59> nice one skry
[22:36] <Owner> teach them to program
[22:36] <Owner> assembly is the next logical step
[22:37] <skryking> ruby + sinatra + arduino + servo's = fun for the whole family :)
[22:37] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: Ruby is nice, simply because it's not a syntactic nightmare
[22:37] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: Then your missleading them on the realworld no :D
[22:38] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: Haha, true perhaps, but I'd see more syntactically nightmarish languages be the logical progression after grasping the basic principles... and Ruby is popular enough to land a career in it at the moment, anyway
[22:38] <skryking> thinking maybe ruby + sinatra on pi talking to arduino driving servo's ... :)
[22:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> skryking: why an arduino?
[22:39] <skryking> because I have several of them laying around...
[22:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, fair enough!
[22:39] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: So is .net :D
[22:39] <digger3> alright, so I'm running this heavy java app and after I while the kernel throws a bunch of errors while freezing all network traffic from the rpi: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=YspMEB1p any hints as to what I should look at?
[22:39] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: I'm a .net programmer, half of me... anyway
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> Fun.
[22:40] <SpeedEvil> ->digger
[22:40] <Gadgetoid_Air> skryking: I've been looking at h-bridges, wondering if I'll chance hooking one up to my Pi, or rolling my own
[22:40] <daxroc> Dying breed, Some of the mostly higly paid jobs i've seen recently are for .net
[22:41] <SpeedEvil> Gadgetoid: Optoisolatoin, you know it makes sense
[22:41] <digger3> SpeedEvil: you think?
[22:41] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: I'd like to throw out .net in favour of PHP for what I do, but I've committed a lot of time lately to making our .net software awesome, so now I'm stuck :D
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[22:42] <skryking> I'm going to try driving a l293 I have when I get home...
[22:43] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: I'm currently php programmer / dba (more dba currently) it's ok has it's problems too.
[22:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> I have no interest in those highly paid jobs, I think 50% of it is hazard pay, 25% is to fund your inevitable alcoholism and the other 25% is to fund your funeral
[22:43] <OneFix_Work> Anyone been able to successfully get a USB connected RealTek 8192cu working with Debian on the rPi?
[22:43] <Owner> whats wrong with funding your alcoholism?
[22:43] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: lol, that and the 24/7 phone calls
[22:43] <digger3> basically I'm getting lots of 'scheduling while atomic' errors with the rpi with the most recent kernel (3.2.18-rpi1+)
[22:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: mysql dba?
[22:43] <daxroc> yeah
[22:43] <Gadgetoid_Air> Oh god, the on-call, no, nope NO!!!
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> digger3: In principle, you could firstly try an old kernel.
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> digger3: And see if it does it
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> digger3: If it doesn't - then you follow:
[22:44] <mythos> 8192cu... *brrr.... i hate that chip
[22:44] <nid0> OneFix_Work: yep, there're a lot of guides and compiled modules around to get it working
[22:44] <Gadgetoid_Air> Your day gets put on hold because a DTS package is failing, and you look at it to find it has funky SQL that updates hundreds of thousands of rows with individual update statements Arrghhh
[22:44] <digger3> SpeedEvil: are there guidelines as what it is considered the latest stable for rpi?
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> http://www.reactivated.net/weblog/archives/2006/01/using-git-bisect-to-find-buggy-kernel-patches/
[22:44] <SpeedEvil> No clue
[22:45] <OneFix_Work> nid0: I've tried to and I can get the module working (at least to show up), but I can't get it to scan or survive a reboot
[22:45] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: I wish we had a mysql DBA when we started a certain project involving large amounts of data, although those large amounts are trivial compared to real "big data" problems
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[22:46] <digger3> SpeedEvil: alright, let's try reverting to the kernel in the supplied debian squeeze image
[22:46] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: I could tell you stories. Wishes collegues knew what a relational database was...
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[22:47] <SpeedEvil> digger3: Not actually booted my Pi yet - awaiting SD card, but stupid queen is delaying it.
[22:47] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: I think it's a scarily common assumption and expectation that all programmers should be capable of producing a perfect database, none of us are :D
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[22:48] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: Current project is a mix of oop,procedural tied with spagetti to an adhoc flattext database
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[22:48] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: *shudder*... well at least my atrocities are relational, even if none of the relationships are expressed or enforced in any meaningful way
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[22:49] <daxroc> Gadgetoid_Air: I asked core developers for a data dictionary and the response was what's that ?
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[22:50] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: I'd just give you a mysqldump without the data... be prepared to cry!
[22:51] <Gadgetoid_Air> Actually I've used the schema builder in Mysql Workbench once or twice, that's got to count for something
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[22:51] <daxroc> Hey it's better than what I get now. Stating to enforce documentation on changes (not going down well) might need to try a different approche
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[22:53] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: that's what the -m flag is for on commits... although -m "fixed stuff" is not strictly documentation...
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[22:53] <daxroc> haha, better than nothing. no one knows what cvs branches are for every one works of the one copy
[22:54] <digger3> SpeedEvil: I'm happy to inform you that 3.1.9+ is actually useable, 3.2.18-rpi1+ is most certainly not :)
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> So not in principle far to bisect
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> And it would find the bug.
[22:54] <Gadgetoid_Air> daxroc: if you sqldump a smallish DB into separate tables and shove it into github/bitbucket - yay! Versioned backup. Kinda.
[22:54] <SpeedEvil> Or you report it to whoever maintains the rpi patches
[22:55] <digger3> SpeedEvil: where do I find that information?
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[22:55] <SpeedEvil> Dunno.
[22:55] <digger3> SpeedEvil: however, if 3.2.18-rpi1+ is considered unstable, then I shouldn't really bother reporting it I guess
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[22:55] <SpeedEvil> Google - I'm mostly tired.
[22:56] <digger3> SpeedEvil: yeah sure :)
[22:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> digger3: in what way is 3.2.18-rpi1+ not usable?
[22:56] <SpeedEvil> digger3: you certainly should - if your usecase exposes a bug
[22:56] <digger3> Gadgetoid_Air: it locks up all the time
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[22:56] <ReggieUK> what does
[22:56] <Gadgetoid_Air> digger3: under what conditions? mine's been running for 5 days solid
[22:56] <digger3> Gadgetoid_Air: but only with high memory load+io+cpu
[22:57] <digger3> Gadgetoid_Air: that's prone to trigger locking issues :)
[22:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> digger3: I've heard the same of overclocking, evidently I'm really not loading it high enough
[22:57] <SpeedEvil> Ideally you'd find someone to verify your problem - running the same sw
[22:57] <Gadgetoid_Air> Compile all the things!!!
[22:57] <digger3> oh and the app is heavily threaded, so in a sense lots of concurrent processes
[22:57] <Owner> prime95
[22:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> I'd be happy to try a high load to lock up my Pi and replicate your problem, otherwise I'm going to start obsessing over uptime :D
[22:58] <Gadgetoid_Air> Haha, high memory use, lots of concurrent processes? What are you running, a forkbomb?
[22:58] <Owner> node.js
[22:58] <Owner> ho wait
[22:58] <digger3> Gadgetoid_Air: no, setting up freenet for use on the rpi
[22:58] <gmjhowe> Being able to just swap SD cards to try something new is great.
[22:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> digger3: Ahhh
[22:59] <SpeedEvil> gmjhowe: A 'suspend' button would be fun
[22:59] <gmjhowe> ebuyer had 32gb microSD cards like the week before my SD card arrived.
[22:59] <digger3> aka actually building a freedom box ;), instead of all those crappy nonsense kickstarter shitty projects
[22:59] <Gadgetoid_Air> gmjhowe: would be even greater if my Pi weren't so fussy I have to reinsert the card 4 times to get it to work again
[23:00] <gmjhowe> I think the entire thing is quality bar that SD card slot
[23:00] <gmjhowe> cheapest feeling bit of the device imo
[23:01] <Gadgetoid_Air> I've not felt it much, but I know I have to hammer my SD cards in with a wooden mallet to get them to work reliably
[23:01] <Owner> i'd try the same usecase on the same kernel to see if its the kernel or the hardware
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[23:02] <Owner> probably the kernel, but...how can you tell for sure
[23:03] <Gadgetoid_Air> Hmm, I wonder how much has changed in the f17 nightlies since I set up my Fedora partitio
[23:03] <gmjhowe> Gadgetoid, me and a friend were talking about a little PCB to solder on in place of the SD card hold which has a good quality Micro SD card slot
[23:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> gmjhowe: not such a bad idea, Micro SD is just as cheap
[23:04] <gmjhowe> Yep
[23:04] <gmjhowe> my Micro SD 32gb was only ??11 free delivery.
[23:04] <Gadgetoid_Air> For the most part, I only need a 128-256mb card formatted to fat anyway
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[23:14] <shapr> I finally got my raspberry pi working, the default debian image doesn't have ssh turned on :-(
[23:14] <shapr> Also, copying over start.elf to get 224MB of ram is nice.
[23:14] <GabrialDestruir_> o.o
[23:14] <GabrialDestruir_> A 1GB .sh file?
[23:15] <GabrialDestruir_> That's a bit overkill isn't it? .-.
[23:15] <shapr> I have pix if anyone is interested: https://plus.google.com/111055028010401074243/posts/dVZrPBYF3FH
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[23:16] <digger3> shapr: check out /boot/*ssh*
[23:16] <digger3> shapr: pretty trivial to enable :)
[23:16] <shapr> digger3: Yah, but I couldn't find that in the beginner docs anywhere.
[23:17] <shapr> digger3: Also, I'm a Unixy guy since 1999, so I expected sshd to be on in the default image.
[23:17] <digger3> shapr: oh I fully agree, it's non-obvious to say the least :)
[23:17] <urs> shapr: add "disable_overscan = 1" to your /boot/config.txt if you want to get rid of the "weird black borders"
[23:17] <shapr> I wish I could have downloaded a separate image that explicitly had sshd turned on at least.
[23:17] <jaxdahl2> disable_overscan=1 in /boot/config.txt
[23:17] <jaxdahl2> efb
[23:17] <shapr> urs: Ah, what does that do?
[23:17] <jaxdahl2> disables overscan
[23:17] <urs> shapr: literaly disables the black borders. :)
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[23:18] <shapr> Does that give me full 1080p? What is overscan anyway?
[23:18] <urs> shapr: they are there because some TV setups don't show that area of the screen (the "overscan")
[23:18] * shapr asks google
[23:18] <shapr> urs: ohhh!
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[23:18] <urs> shapr: It's a relic from analogue tv.
[23:18] <jaxdahl2> shapr, what do you have hdmi_group and hdmi_mode set to shapr?
[23:18] <jaxdahl2> in config.txt
[23:18] <shapr> Whatever was in the default debian image. I don't plan on using my raspberry pi for graphical purposes.
[23:18] * shapr looks
[23:19] <shapr> jaxdahl2: I don't have a file /boot/config.txt
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[23:20] <jaxdahl2> shapr, run /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -s
[23:20] <shapr> 720x480 @ 60Hz, interlaced
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[23:21] <jaxdahl2> shapr, run /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m DMT
[23:21] <shapr> Oh, so I can power off the HDMI port? That's handy.
[23:21] <jaxdahl2> no
[23:21] <shapr> group DMT has 0 modes
[23:21] <jaxdahl2> shapr, run /opt/vc/bin/tvservice -m CEA
[23:22] <shapr> also zero modes... Is this because I'm using the arm224_start.elf ?
[23:22] <jaxdahl2> dunno
[23:22] <shapr> Or is that because I disconnected my HDMI monitor and restarted the Pi?
[23:23] <jaxdahl2> oh, yes, your hdmi should be connected for -m
[23:23] <shapr> It's attached to my primary desktop, which is not near the ethernet.
[23:23] <jaxdahl2> and probably -s as well
[23:23] <shapr> Has anyone gotten a usb wifi widget working?
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[23:24] <shapr> I haven't tried mine yet, it's also attached to my desktop.
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[23:24] <shapr> jaxdahl2: If you know of a wifi adapter that is certain to work, I'll order it.
[23:25] <jaxdahl2> i do not. only got my rpi friday
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[23:27] <nid0> shapr, work at all or work out of the box?
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[23:31] <RITRedbeard> are raspberry pi in stock so that you can order and get it shipped next day?
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> yet?
[23:31] <gmjhowe> Heh
[23:31] <nid0> not by a long shot
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> or shall I have to wait another 14 years?
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> cool
[23:31] <nid0> farnell and rs are still processing orders from 29/02
[23:31] <RITRedbeard> looks like Mele Allwinner A10 time!
[23:31] <gmjhowe> People who ordered later on release day are getting those.
[23:32] <plugwash> according to jamesh they are now producing thousands per day but it's still going to take a while to clear the backlog
[23:32] <RITRedbeard> who is he?
[23:32] <gmjhowe> To give you an idea, I registered at about 10ish on release day, got mine on friday.
[23:32] <plugwash> and there are limits to how fast production can be ramped because of component availability
[23:32] <plugwash> jamesh is one of the founders of the foundation afaict
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[23:33] <RITRedbeard> mmmmm
[23:34] <gmjhowe> However every now and then someone in here has an RS code to give away to order one
[23:34] <shapr> nid0: Either is fine with me.
[23:34] <gmjhowe> Which will get you one within about 2-3 weeks
[23:34] <shapr> nid0: But fits into a student loans budget is the highest priority :-)
[23:35] <nid0> shapr: any realtek 8192-based device will work fine with a module added (tons of guides on doing so), popular tiny adaptors using it include a micronext MN-WD552B (usually priced at around ??6) or Edimax EW-7811Un (usually a couple of ?? more)
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[23:35] <nid0> I use the former in my pis and it works fine
[23:36] <reider59> I have that Edimax on order
[23:37] <reider59> I have a robot thingie that has sensors for collision testing. I may put a pi in its casing and control it using WiFi. So the Edimax is for that and a few other things too
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[23:40] <GabrialDestruir_> Someone should port Uplink to Raspberry Pi
[23:40] <GabrialDestruir_> xD
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