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This section describes the base data types used in messages.
An n-bit integer in network byte order (most significant byte first). If i is specified it is the exact value that will appear, otherwise the value is variable. Eg. Int16, Int32(42).
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pdo_SKEL/ config.m4 # unix build script config.w32 # win32 build script CREDITS package.xml # meta information about the package pdo_SKEL.c # standard PHP extension glue php_pdo_SKEL.h php_pdo_SKEL_int.h # driver private header SKEL_dbh.c # contains the implementation of the PDO driver interface SKEL_stmt.c # contains the implementation of the PDO statement interface tests/
The contents of these files are defined later in this document.
The easiest way to get started is to use the ext_skel shell script found in the PHP build tree in the ext directory. This will build a skeleton directory containing a lot of the files listed above. It can be build by executing the following command from within the ext directory:
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The following standard public PDO header files are also included in each source module:
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Printable version of recipe here
Prep Time: 30 minutes
Total Time: 1 hour
Yields: 30 cookies
- 100g candied ginger, chopped
- 300g dark chocolate, coarsely chopped
- 500g ground almonds
- 100g icing sugar
- ½ teaspoon ground cardamom
- 350g fine sugar
- Pinch of salt
- 2 egg whites
- Handful flour
- 100g dark chocolate, coarsely chopped
- Place 150g dark chocolate in a double boiler and melt until smooth. Allow to cool. Pre-heat oven to 220 degrees C.
- In a clean bowl add the ground almonds, icing sugar, cardamom, sugar, salt, chopped candied ginger and the remaining chocolate in a bowl. Pour the melted chocolate and the egg whites and mix together until it comes together into smooth. homogeneous dough.
- Scatter some flour on the countertop and quickly roll out the dough into a 25 x 25 cm square, about 2 cm thick. Cut into smaller squares then each square diagonally to give you triangles.
- Place the triangles on a baking tray, 2cm apart, then back for about 4-5 minutes. Take out of oven and allow to cool completely.
- Meanwhile, melt the 100g dark chocolate in a double boiler. Once melted, dip one side of the triangles into the chocolate and allow to dry on some baking paper.
- To store. place the cooled and dried cookies in cookie boxes layered in between baking paper. Stored this way the should keep for 2 weeks (if you can resist not eating them in one sitting).
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- Kokblog - a gorgeous illustrated cooking blog by the talented Johanna Kindvall
- Hand drawn Valentine Postcards and Tags the fantastic Sybille at Fun.kyti.me
- Blanquette de Veau by the lovely Mimi Thorisson at Manger
- 34 Coolest Food Packaging Designs of 2012
- Mia Blanche Ceramics - stunning handmade ceramics from Mia in Stockholm
- #bloghug Party with Holly over at Decor8
- Dream with me - a stunning villa with a view!
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Honey Harvest - Crush and Strain
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Please let me know if you have any questions or comments about this way of harvesting honey.
By the way, after the honey had completely filtered, I got about 5 pounds more in bottles. This means that the six frames of honey from a shallow super harvested in this video yielded approximately 17 pounds of absolutely delicious honey, uncontaminated by heat or being slung around in the air...or about 2.8 pounds per frame.
62 comments:
- Anonymous11:32 AM
Your video was very nicely done. You're doing wonderfully for a one person outfit.
I'd never heard of this method. It makes me wish we hadn't gone with plastic frames. I suppose we could still do something similar, but having all wax foundation as you have would be much easier.
Thank you for your video. People have been known to do this with plastic - you just scrape the comb off of the plastic and go from there. But it is easier with wax foundation and no wires. Michael Bush crushes the comb with his hands - I think if I did it that way, I would have to harvest somewhere other than my kitchen!
ReplyDelete- Anonymous11:16 PM
Linda,Having 8-10 hives myself,I know how much work goes into keeping bees. It's great that you also take the time to record what you are doing so that other people can see. I've done some video and pictures but never seem to get around to organizing it. You've obviously put much time and effort into this site and it shows. I will be sure to check back often. berkshire bee
ReplyDelete - Anonymous5:31 PM
Awesome videos!!!
I started keeping bees last year too and I just pulled my first supers of honey this weekend(it's in the freezer till I get time to extract). I have an extractor but am planning on doing some cut-comb and will employ your methods. Thanks a million for taking the time to make these videos. For only your 2nd year I think you are doing amazingly well. Thanks for the honey contest tips too.
Tom Zeke, When the honey is all strained out, if you have done a good job of crushing the comb, all that's left in the sieve is the crushed wax (a little honey in unbroken cells, but a very little). I do rinse the wax before putting it in my solar wax melter (see video on that). In 90 heat, the whole bucket strains through quite quickly. If the temp is lower, the straining takes longer. I just put the bucket with a brick on top of it out on my sidewalk and leave it for the day. And yes, the bucket came from Dadant with the hole already cut in the side and the valve to screw into the hole. They sell the bucket and a three filter set for around $30.
Good luck! Linda TThis is the second video of yours I have watched. You speak so clear and calmly and give such great details.
I have no bees but want to watch all your videos to educate myself.
Q. How do you get different honey flavors? I prefer Orange Blossom but most stores here in AZ sell Clover which I don't care for. What flavor is your honey??
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!There's no simple answer to how long does it take to harvest honey - if you mean when will the honey be ready, then the answer is you harvest honey when the bees have fully capped the cells - that is true in a TBH or a Langstroth. If you mean when will the bees have capped honey ready from when you started the hive, that is up to the bees, the weather, the nectar flow, etc. I just watch the combs to see when they are fully capped. In Atlanta when the nectar flow starts in March/April and is over at the end of June, I usually harvest on the 4th of July or near to that date. If you mean how long does the harvest process take, that depends on how much you have to harvest. With the crush and strain method, one super usually fills a filter bucket so with only one bucket I can only do one super per day, but with two buckets, I can harvest two per day, etc.
Linda Tshellinrio, Every part of the country has differences in terms of the honey flow. In Atlanta our season starts in April and ends pretty much in July although some parts of Georgia get a fall flow as well. Some parts of Texas, Florida, etc. get honey all year long. You might check with your local bee club to find out what your expectations can realistically be for north Houston.
ReplyDeleteThe pan is a Caphalon 12X18 pan that I got from Target on sale. The silicon sheets fit perfectly in it. Although with a smaller pan, I'm sure cutting the silicon would work just fine. I like the roominess of the pan for cutting out the honey - it can fall into the pan without pieces missing and landing on the counter!
ReplyDelete- Anonymous1:25 PM
I notice that you can fill a bucket with an entire super, so your filter is down near the bottom? My bucket & filter set is wired with a frame that rests on the rim of the bucket, so I can only mound up about 2 frames, and then I can't get the lid on anyway, as the frame rest is in the way! I believe that I have the same contraption as you - did you modify yours in some way?
ReplyDelete Hi, My filter set sits inside the rim of the bucket. I don't know what you mean by the frame rest being in the way. Did you watch the video? I crush the honeycomb (the wax with honey in it) and then pour that into the filters. I can easily put one super's worth of frames into the filter set. When one super's worth of honey has filtered through, it fills up about 1/3 of the bucket. I got the bucket and filter set from Dadant ($31) and Brushy Mountain sells the same set for a little less.
ReplyDeleteThe other day i had 500 to a thousand bees work their way into my black plastic composer..I want to know if anyone knows if i leave them in there will they make a hive and produce honey. i don't want to kill them..bad karma..would love some honey but not sure what to do,,,,can anyone help me...here is my email address....email@example.com
i am truly grateful for any advise...
TerriReplies- Anonymous11:09 PM
Today I had a professional bee keeper come to remove the thriving bee colony from our rotating drum style composter. It took her four hours to get a many of them as she could. She was exhausted and told me that it was four times larger than what she had thought it would be. She gave me two pounds of the honey with comb. I can't imagine how much more she was able to remove, but I'll bet much, much more. This is not a cheap service, but I did not want to call an exterminator and have a good colony killed. The bees had only been there for about 6 months. I feel like it was good karma for the bees to have to set up shop in our composter. Good Luck.
Delete - Anonymous11:22 PM
Today I had a professional beekeeper remove a thriving colony from my black rotating drum composter. It took her almost four hours to do this and she told me that it had been four times larger than what she had thought it would be. I asked for a bit of the honey (for bragging rights) and she handed me back my container with two pounds of honey plus comb. I cannot imagine how much she was able to extract. Bee removal service is rather expensive but she earned every single penny and I certainly did not want them killed. Extermination is probably cheaper because it would be easier... I felt like it was good Karma to have the bees set up shop in my composter. I just could not keep them there. Good Luck!
- Anonymous9:49 PM
Just curious why you would use this method? The poor bees burn up a lot of honey in producing new comb. It is much more efficient and easier to extract the honey so you can put the combs back on the hives and the bees can reuse them. I have some comb that I'm sure is nearing twenty years that I've just uncapped, extracted and then put back on the hives.
ReplyDelete Linda i thank you for all of your efforts in the composition of such an informative and cost efficient method for the backyard beekeeper to extract his/her honey.
Thanks a million for taking the time to compose and upload the video for our learning, there really isn't anything comparable to your videos on the net. Really there aren't.
I appreciate your hardwork and everything that has gone into this blog, you are the pioneer in the beekeeping blogosphere, without a doubt.
If you don't deliver another post in this blog it still contains boat loads of knowledge for both newbies and veterans alike to glean from.
Thanks a million!
Chris Harrell
Eastern North CarolinaLinda,
You're videos are so helpful! I am so relieved to see your step by step, low-cost ways to harvest honey, melt wax, etc. Thank you!!
I noticed that you filtered the honey once - is that correct? I have read that it should be filtered a few times so that the honey is less likely to crystallize.
What do you think?
Carrie (Urban Beekeeper in Louisville, KY)thank you for posting this terrific & helpful video, linda! i crushed comb last year and made a huge mess. i'll definitely try your way this year!
question: is there a reason you don't let the honey sit (after filtering) for 12-24 hours in the bucket to settle before bottling/jarring? this was recommended to me to help the air bubbles rise to the top before bottling. decreases crystallization????Thankyou so much Linda for this excellent, beautifully narrated, clear and concise video! I am a noob beekeeper and will use your method. I have a Langstroth with plastic frames but will scrape the wax and honey off as you suggest. Next year I will add a second hive and will try out a top bar setup. Thanks for all your teachings, I love your blog!
ReplyDeleteOkay, I think we finally have some honey to harvest. (well, some capped honey comb that they built crooked that needs to be removed). Rookie question, how do you get the frame out without bringing all the bees with you? Is that where the bee brush comes in? I tried searching your site, but couldn't get a good hit, or was using the wrong search criteria. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteThanks so much for this video! We just removed a ten year hive from our guest house wall. We have a 5 gallon plus bucket of comb that was nice and I wanted to process it. This was a wonderful way for all of us (family) to get involved. We are going a bit more low-tech and frankly, I don't care about the little bits in the honey from our larger screen.
ReplyDelete- Diana4:37 PM
I was so glad to see this video of your. I have tried to crush and strain before with such a messy result! My problem is that after straining (which I let sit for weeks to strain it all), my honey is solid. Is this crystallization or could it be that here in 100 degree Texas, some of the comb melted into the honey? This was the first time I had harvested and am so disappointed.
Today, I used the method you so wonderfully demonstrated and let it strain for a couple of hours and got liquid honey. I hope it stays that way!
Thanks for all you do for us newbees. The buckets are on my porch but they are closed up (the top is on the bucket and the honey gate is screwed tightly shut) and the bees aren't particularly interested. The dog was just noticing that something was on the landing that usually wasn't there. In that video, my bees are about 20 feet from the bucket.
ReplyDeleteDiana, You may have posted this long ago - since this is a 2007 post, but people visit it every day, so I am going to answer your question and hope it's useful to someone else. Whether honey crystallizes or not has to do with the content of the honey - what the nectar source was. Sourwood honey and tupelo honey do not crystallize but most honeys do. I've never gotten a jar from the west that wasn't solid rather than liquid. So leaving your honey for weeks with a nectar source that crystallizes will certainly result in that happening. Put your honey in a pan of hot water if you want it to go back to liquid. Or spoon it up as is and enjoy!
ReplyDeleteDo you then freeze the jars of honey? Is it necessary to always freeze it in case there are wax moth or other bug larvae that may hatch , and if so how long do you freeze it for?
ReplyDeleteRepliesYou don't have to freeze all honey. You do need to freeze honey with honey comb in it - like cut comb honey or chunk honey. Those combs harbor wax moth larvae, etc. and you don't want your friend/customer to wake up one morning and find little worms swimming in your honey. Freezing for at least 24 hours kills the larvae and prevents this potential problem.


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KOffice, the office suite built on KDE technology and in the KDE Communtiy has recently
gotten a lot of press, but is still often underrepresented. In this interview, some key KOffice developers tell us about the recent progress of KDE's Office suite, about Open Standards and how KOffice plays an active role in bringing Freedom to users. We have talked to Boudewijn Rempt, developer of Krita, core KOffice contributor and KOffice release manager, as well as to David Faure who has been taking part in the OASIS, the organization that is responsible for advancing the OpenDocument (ODF) standard.
David Faure says:
We're taking part in the OASIS because we truly believe in Open Standards. KOffice standardises on OpenDocument. Free Software and open standards are a perfect match and the way to move forward for a society to ensure vendor-independent access to its data. We're actively participating in the OASIS since it matches our value, and we believe that one strong standard is in the best interest of our users.
Boudewijn Rempt gives us an overview over what's happening in the KOffice community.
How is KOffice 2 progressing?
We had a bit of a slow start -- porting to KDE4 took longer than we thought. Maybe we started our port a little too early. Large parts of most applications have been completely rewritten. We're making really good progress now, across the board of applications. The Google Summer of Code project to improve OpenDocument support in KWord has been a big success: we're still not completely done, but confidently expect KOffice 2.0 to have improved support for OpenDocument in key areas such as spreadsheet and word processing.
What will be the main features for KOffice 2?
We've taken integration to the next level. Applications now offer an interface optimized for a particular task, but they all use the same small-grained objects to compose documents from. That means richer documents, more consistency in the user interface and excellent expandability.
What target users do you have in mind for KOffice?
Right now, home users, students and people running small businesses. Additionally, KOffice offers a very flexible and rich platform for implementing office-type applications for specific markets, such as education or vertical markets.
Can you explain some platform aspects of KOffice 2(.x)?
OpenDocument is totally native for us. KOffice has had a large part in establishing the standard and continues innovating within the standard and contributing to new versions of the OpenDocument standard. OpenDocument really is the platform we are building on, it informs many of our design decisions, without forcing us to implement an OpenOffice clone at all.
KOffice has some time ago switched to OpenDocument as default file format. What is the motivation for this move?
Cooperation has always been in the forefront of KOffice development. We developed the libwv2 .doc library together with Abiword, and the libwpd WordPerfect library together with OpenOffice. Developing our own, underspecified file format just didn't make any sense when there is a chance to cooperate on a widely used, rigorously specified file format. Besides, we listen to our users and hear that they want to exchange documents without enforcing their customers, teachers or peers to use the exactly same application in the exactly same version.
Why do you think OpenDocument is the right thing to embrace for KOffice?
It's been beneficial in two ways: the KOffice involvement has kept OpenDocument from becoming the memory dump of OpenOffice internals detractors so often allege it to be. And KOffice has gained recognition, compatibility and also quite a few features in the process.
There is a Windows version of some of the KOffice applications coming up. In how far does this new platform influence the way the KOffice community works?
Well, it's actually *all* of the KOffice applications that will be available on all three platforms: Unix/X11, OS X and Windows. Not that that changes much for us: we have a very clear vision of what we want to achieve, and we're making good progress in that direction. We are ready to welcome the influx of users the wider availability of KOffice means -- and actually, we're already get quite a few inquiries about where people can download our software.
Recently, the ISO standardisation process of OfficeOpenXML ("OOXML") has gained a lot of public attention. What are the implications of OpenXML as ISO standard next to ODF for Free Software applications?
The standardisation process of OfficeOpenXML has turned sour, not in the least because Microsoft couldn't resist the temptation to cheat. Right now we're seeing evidence of a concerted campaign at discrediting OpenDocument vis-a-vis OfficeOpen XML. That's unfortunate, to say the least.
If OfficeOpen XML becomes an ISO standard, we will, in all likely hood, still not spend time on supporting it. The standard is enormous, very complex and to a large extent so badly specified that a full implementation is probably even harder than implementing the old Microsoft binary file formats. Add to that patent encumbrances and problems with copyrighted elements -- and our conclusion is that we prefer to concentrate on making KOffice a great set of applications that are satisfying to use and satisfying to develop.
There were rumors about an ODF library in KDE. Can you update us on the
progress there?
We're committed to developing such a library. Only today, some first steps have been set in the direction of that goal. Still baby steps, and the ODF library won't be available with KDE 4.0 or even KDE 4.1, but we are keeping that goal in mind when developing KOffice.
Recently, more and more governmental agencies and public bodies embrace ODF as their default document standard. Can you give us reasons for that?
There are many good reasons for governments and public bodies to support OpenDocument, and no good reasons not to support it. OpenDocument documents can be read and edited on every computing platform, present and future. Wide availability is good for citizens, a solidly specified, unencumbered standard is good for archiving, and the very implementability means a free market with genuine competition, which is good for the budget.
Thank you very much. I'm personally really looking forward to KOffice 2.0. I think it's the office suite with the greatest potential in the market right now.
First you say "we listen to our users and hear that they want to exchange documents without enforcing their customers, teachers or peers to use the exactly same application in the exactly same version.", but later you say "If OfficeOpen XML becomes an ISO standard, we will, in all likely hood, still not spend time on supporting it."
I'm sorry, but get a reality check. MS Office has about 90% market share. OpenOffice is in a large part so successful, because it supports MS Office formats very well. People don't want to use office software that frags the documents they recieve. No supporting MS file formats does not weaken MS's position, but makes people stick with MS Office.
There is already a very good FOSS converter for OOXML documents. It converts OOXML files to ODF files and vice versa. There's no need to work through the big OOXML specs and write your own converter. Just make an *optional* KOffice module that talks to the CLI odf-converter app.
"still not spend time on supporting it." it means we won't spend time developing our own OfficeOpen XML support. One of the KOffice hacker allready made it possible to use OpenOffice to silently convert files to odf to then open them in KOffice.
But if there is a good OOXML to ODF converter, we will of course be able to leverage it and use that. I would also like to point out, that OOXML is not yet an ISO standard, and a lot of changes are needed to be made to the standard before it can become one, so support for OOXML is clearly not a priority for the next release.
I think the koffice people need to implement at least basic microsoft document support if they expect people to use it. I love kde to the end of the earth and use kde apps everywhere I can, except office apps, there I use openoffice; The fact of the matter is I'm a college student in America. I can't turn in reports in odf, because my school uses ms word. I can't force people to use odf, but if kword supported doc it would be much easier
You clearly haven't found the "Save As" option (or are trolling...)
File -> Save As; select Microsoft Word document. It's not rocket science...
I don not think he/she is a troll. Compatibility with Ms-office is crucial in spreading koffice.
Can one export kword files containing tables and pictures to the ms-doc format?
Can one _import_ ms-doc formatted documents containing tables and pictures?
Until last year, as far as i remember, that was not possible.
Are developers making progress in that direction?
The onus is on M$ to become compatible. However, that'll never happen voluntarily. So, we have for the time being Sun's ODF plugin for MS Word:
MS formats are history. Sure several of the .doc formats are around now, but not a single one of the specifications has been published. That means as soon as a universal format gets a critical mass, people will leave.
KOffice is making the right move to turn to open standards.
I don't think anybody ever seriously considered/proposed making MS Office formats the default formats in KOffice. ODF should stay the default file format in KOffice.
But good reading support for MS Office formats is crucial.
I have a Linux PC and an iBook with Mac OS X. Thus I'm also visiting Mac user forums. You probably don't imagine it how big the resistance against the upcoming MS Office 2008 is. That release will display most existing MS Office documents just fine, but it won't support VBA scripting. If killing a feature that only a minority uses causes so much uproar, just think about how much resistance an office suite will get (on platforms where MS Office is available) that can't even open many MS Office file remotely correct.
OpenOffice is bloated and hard to use because instead of improving the apps they are always following Microsoft. There's no need for another app to go that way.
For example kpresenter is different from ms powerpoint, but IMHO it's better and easier to use (although some features are missing).
The bottom line is: we don't need another ms office!
It isn't bloated for copying MS Office, and it certainly departs from MS Office in many ways. It is bloated because of a large, perhaps poorly written code base.
MS Office is perhaps the best piece of software MS has put out. It is very feature rich, stable, and loads very quickly. It is well integrated, and really a good product. If it were multiplatform, I might just use it on Linux believe it or not. Because it isn't multiplatform, I use OOo on both.
Yeah, Office is truly excellent. Openoffice is ok for basic needs, but for anything more advanced I have to turn to MS Office (especially excel is leaps and bounds ahead of calc).
Trying to beat microsoft at their own game is impossible. KOffice needs to be innovative and take a different approach, which I think they are already doing very well. I look forward to 2.0.
You should turn in reports in PDF, not .doc or .odt.
"But if there is a good OOXML to ODF converter, we will of course be able to leverage it and use that."
My point is that you don't want to do it. How hard is it for a C++ developer like you to launch an external executable from KOffice? If it's a piece of cake then just check if odf-converter is installed in the system's PATH, run it to convert an OOXML file to ODF, and open the resulting ODF file. AFAIK Novell already does this in their OpenOffice built.
When I mentioned odf-converter the last time, I just received hatred, because the converter is Mono-based. So what? I don't want to become Mono a requirement for KOffice either and that's why I just propose to make it optional.
Yes and we all know about the Microsoft/Novell deal too. Sure Novell can use mono, and OOOXML and whatever Microsoft technology it wants to, they've signed a deal with Microsoft that allows them to do so.
Open standards work for everyone, Microsoft standards only work for those whom Microsoft allows them to work for.
Office 2007 doesn't have the huge market share that Office 2003 does, because most businesses aren't making that jump yet. MS Office does have a huge market share lead, but a bigger priority should be on importing and exporting Office 2003 .doc and .xls formats first, before worrying about the huge mess that is OOXML.
Furthermore, now that there are .odf converters for Office 2007, you can convince Office 2007 users to send documents in .odf format to ensure compatibility with them. Office 2007 users who want to share documents likely have to "Save As..." in another format anyway, since not many people are using Office 2007 anyway.
OpenOffice is good, but not perfect. It is a little slow, has political issues with Sun going on, features bloat from an old code base, and has a poor UI.
Personally, I'd either like to see a combined effort from developers to make OOo the best it could be, or see a better product replace it. KOffice couldn't compete with OOo because it wasn't a multiplatform product, but it is about to be.
There has been some discussion in the OOo crowd to remove some older portions of its clunky codebase, and replace it with other existing libraries and products, such as page rendering and the like. Neither OOo nor KOffice is going away, so we're going to get developers split between the two products, and we have to accept this at some point.
However, I have to wonder if the OOo and KOffice devs couldn't work together on some joint libraries between the two products, such as MS import filters, ODF libraries, etc, and libraries for both products to best display natively on all three major platforms.
A codeveloped ODF library doesn't just benefit the KDE team, it benefits all developers, and the further adoption of the ODF format.
See, very good support can't be done within a day, a week, a month or even a year. It takes just very long. Now the situation is, that it's guaranteed that ISO OpenDocument will be the default file-format for a bunch of applications for a pretty long time. That means, if we invest today time, it will pay out tomorrow and even the day after tomorrow we still support a widly used format. Now try to compare that to the MSOffice2003-Format. 2003 is _NOT_ compatible with 2007. Don't believe there the MS food, they are pretty much different file-formats what means, that already today the MS2003-format is already expired and out-of-date. If you look back a few years you will note, that this was very often the case and the old MSOffice-formats got replaced each few years with a new format. Now we have those blending MSOffice2007-Format. And guess what? Its guaranteed that the format will be replaced with a new one as soon as there is a new MSOffice-suite out. We are already able to see this with the large VML-related parts defined in the MSOOXML2007-specification and down the road we can expect that the next MSOffice-format will also introduce more dependencies to .NET && .Windows .
So, rather then starting to work on import+export _filters_ it just makes more sense to put all energy into a format that is guaranteed to stay real backward-compatible, even in 2008, 2009, and so on... A format that will improve in small steps rather then beeing replaced behind closed doors in one huge rush with a new MSOffice-version.
"Office 2007 doesn't have the huge market share that Office 2003 does, because most businesses aren't making that jump yet. MS Office does have a huge market share lead, but a bigger priority should be on importing and exporting Office 2003 .doc and .xls formats first, before worrying about the huge mess that is OOXML."
Yes, you are right, but fully supporting old MS Office formats is hard. For OOXML files there already is a stand-alone converter that converts OOXML files to ODF files. Just executing this converter shouldn't be so hard.
"Furthermore, now that there are .odf converters for Office 2007, you can convince Office 2007 users to send documents in .odf format to ensure compatibility with them."
Um, it's sadly a bit more complicated than that. As Windows users don't have a nice package management system, they have to resolve all dependencies by themselves, because they have to install the Office Compatibility Pack, install the .NET Framework, activate .NET Programmability Support, and then install the ODF converter. And that's only when they want to send their documents to someone else. What if those Windows users like to switch to KOffice 2? Why should they first need to convert all existing files they have on the hard drive? If KOffice supported them right away it would be a lot easier for them.
"KOffice couldn't compete with OOo because it wasn't a multiplatform product, but it is about to be."
AbiWord has always been multi-platform. It boots faster and uses less resources while having all features common users want to have. Yet almost no Windows or Mac user uses AbiWord. Why? Because its MS Office file supports sucks as much as KOffice's.
> [about OOXML] I'm sorry, but get a reality check. MS Office has about 90% market share.
No, this is a reality check. OOXML has *NO* market share today. There are more ODF documents at the web then OOXML documents. The .doc and .xsl formats do have market share. If KOffice and OpenOffice support OOXML now it will help Microsoft to get that marketshare.
It's a classical Microsoft trick: provide documentation so everyone jumps in the boat, and stop providing information once they got market share. They did the same with early MS-Office formats, the MSN protocol, and even the SMB protocol was documented partially once to kill Netware (MS even invited developers from Samba). The community shouldn't fall for this trick with OOXML.
Of those 90% of users who use .doc, how many use Office 95 .doc, or Office 97 .doc, or Office 2000 .doc, or Office XP .doc, or Office 2003 .doc?
Most today probably fall within the last 3, but I work for a newspaper, and there aren't many vendors who specialize in software for the newspaper industry, but th Harris software we use (and hopefully we get away from) sits as a wrapper on top of Word 97, so our newsroom is forced to stick with Word 97, ten years later.
Google was once a nobody 10 years ago. IE once had an insurmountable lead in market share. Educating users, providing a better product, and good marketing can overcome huge market shares.
Ten years ago, most people used VCRs and VHS videotapes, to rent movies and record off TV.
Now, they use DVD players and ISO-standard DVDs.
You cannot put a VHS videotape into a DVD player. Either you use a conversion service, convert it yourself, or leave it inaccessible on VHS.
It's pointless making a DVD player able to read from and write to VHS videotapes. You want a VCR for that job.
New stuff goes on ISO-standard DVDs.
Good work, 'koffice' crew. Keep it up !
Document archiving is somewhat more important than watching a 20 year old copy of "Romancing the Stone". That is a big reason why ODF is so important.
For document archiving, the chances are that you don't have to be able to read your old files into your new office suite. You might want to view an old letter you sent 10 years ago, but you sure as heck don't need to edit it (in fact, editing it could be a Very Bad Thing in some circumstances). So, all you need do is get a Microsoft Windows box with a version of Office that can open all your old files, and a PostScript printer driver. Then "print" all your documents to PS files. They can be viewed or printed as required.
If you do ever need to edit an old file, any Open Source office suite should be able to have at least a brave go at opening it. Most files will need a few minor tweaks, but in rare cases it may work out easier and quicker just to retype the whole lot from scratch. At any rate, you can always call up the PostScript version as a reference rendering.
The refusal to consider OOXML even if supported as a standard does seem hypocritical at first glance but only a little digging shows it's the only possible choice.
To begin with, Microsoft does not intend to support its own standard. The reason given by Microsoft was that once a standard, OOXML would necessarily have a governing board which is not Microsoft, and Microsoft refuses to guarantee that it will follow decisions imposed by a standards organization.
When you have 90% market share you can get away with this. Microsoft then has the rest of the world scrambling to keep up with OOXML which is broadly compatible with its own products, but is not itself obligated to follow inconvenient decisions. The technical committee for the standard will then be in the position of forever trying to catch up to changes by MS which are never properly documented.
Second, neither Sun nor KOffice nor the ODF developers are trying to supplant MS Office formats. Market share is not the immediate objective. The main reason why ODF is gaining traction is that it allows for archival formats which will forever be readable by future word processors, etc. This is why librarians and archivists the world over have been clamouring for such a standard. Since ODF is a slim, technically complete standard available right now which does the job, neither KOffice nor OOo nor Abiword has any particular reason to support MS-OOXML.
Third, the OOXML converters you mention have a huge problem. They do not (and can not, because OOXML is not completely specified) perfectly convert between ODF and OOXML. Nor will they ever be able to, since OOXML contains 'binary blobs' which are not properly understood at this time even by Microsoft. This is one reason why the French ISO representatives at one point suggested that the proper designation of OOXML was not a standard, but an ISO TS (technical specification). A TS does not have to meet the very high consistency and completeness criteria of a standard.
Regards, TC
"Third, the OOXML converters you mention have a huge problem. They do not (and can not, because OOXML is not completely specified) perfectly convert between ODF and OOXML."
Who wrote something about perfect support? I just wrote about not fragging documents. I did some experimenting with the CLI odf-converter and from what I saw the conversation is quite good.
* yxxcvsdfbnfgnds writes:
> I'm sorry, but get a reality check. MS Office has about 90% market share.
Yes, Microsoft Office 1997 document formats got 80-90% marked share. Ecma OOXML has zero marked share. Please don't mix together the product name Microsoft uses on their office suite and the realities concerning the different file format supported in Microsofts products. Microsoft has in two attempts made what they describes as an open format, one in used with MS Office 2003 and a new one with MS Office 2007. Unfortunately Microsoft just partly support OpenDocument Format. Microsoft don't use the Ecma OOXML specification they suggested them self. Microsoft has made a special non documented version of OOXML they follow them self. Almost no businesses uses OOXML, everyone uses the 12 year old MS Office 1997 format.
> People don't want to use office software that frags the documents they recieve.
I agree with you. Unfortunately Microsoft them self are betting on that people will change to their OOXML non-Ecma edition, leaving MS Office 1997 format behind.
Different national ISO-members has committed thousands of objections that has to be addressed before accepting Ecma OOXML. I will name three objections against supporting Ecma OOXML:
* Microsoft does not uses Ecma OOXML them self, but a special version of that format. If someone should be folish to implement Ecmas OOXML, they never know if it's really is implemented in real life as in MS Office 2007. This is a moving target, and you can end up with supporting 6000 pages with Ecma OOXML and has to reverse engineer Microsofts interpretation of OOXML. To implement 6000 pages of document format is a huge undertaking and a lot bigger than the around 600 pages OpenDocumnt Format spesification. But you must also support what Microsoft add and retract from the Ecma OOXML spesification. You don't get time left to make an usable office suite when betting on Ecma OOXML.
* Ecma OOXML is illegal to use for individual developers according The Danish Standardization body. Individual developers are prohibited from using Ecma OOXML. Most of the KOffice developers are individual developers and will be banded from implementing Ecma OOXML if they will contribute.
* Ecma OOXML consist of non documented features like binary only storage elements and non documented functions. To get access to _some_ of the feauture, not all, but some: Your company has to sign a patent deal with Microsoft to get access to some of the not documented features in Ecma OOXML. Microsoft then demand that they shall get right to use all your intellectual property. This kind of legal binding to Ecma OOXML shows that the format is really an Microsoft format, not controlled by a standardization body. Similar legal wording has made Japans competitive authorities to do a rassia against Microsoft for breaking the competitive law.
> No supporting MS file formats does not weaken MS's position,
> but makes people stick with MS Office.
I think you are slightly out of topic. Maybe because you are somewhat confused about the many formats Microsofts has implemented as a part of MS Office, and which formats they don't support where Ecma OOXML is not supported.
You are spot on when it comes to supporting the old MS Office 1997 format. But as mention above, Microsoft them self don't support Ecma OOXML. And Microsoft prohibits individual developers to use Ecma OOXML. ISO comities around the world voted against standardization of OOXML in its current form. Thousands of issues has to be addressed if OOXML gonna represent a transition format from old MS Office documents to a "modern" one. This is the main goal for Microsoft, but they have not delivered on promised, as the ISO standardization process shows.
"Ecma OOXML has zero marked share."
Oh, where did you get you data from? I'm eager to see that nobody ever bought Office 2007 and nobody pirated Office 2007.
"Almost no businesses uses OOXML"
The world consists of more than just business. I'm fully aware that there are the OOXML file formats and older MS Office file formats. OOXML has the advantage that there is already a working, stand-alone converter.
"I think you are slightly out of topic."
Who is off-topic? You wrote about ECMA OOXML and MS OOXML and so on. Honestly: I don't care. Maybe YOU are confused by all that political stuff. Let me try to explain again:
There is a working OOXML to ODF converter. It's stand-alone and it's free software that is already integrated into Novell's OpenOffice builds. I tried the converter with a few OOXML documents I found on the net (all created with MS Office 2007) and the results where quite good.
There's no need for any KDE/KOffice developer to write a new OOXML converter.
Just take the existing converter, wrap a GUI (=the open/save window) around it and have instant access to more file formats.
Knut Yrvin wrote:
"Ecma OOXML has zero marked share."
yxxcvsdfbnfgnds wrote:
> Oh, where did you get you data from? I'm eager to see that nobody
> ever bought Office 2007 and nobody pirated Office 2007.
So you don't know the difference between the OOXML specification Microsoft committed to Ecma and their own deviated OOXML-version used in MS Office 2007? This emphasizes my point. You believe things works as long as you can read a label with a five letter acronym from a big cooperation. You don't care if it means to fit a driver seat from BMW in a Volvo, without any specification available. As long as Microsoft tells you that the BMW driver seat should fit in in a Volvo, you believe them. You don't care about the people who makes the solution you want, even if it involves legal risks or a huge pile of work.
> You wrote about ECMA OOXML and MS OOXML and so on. Honestly:
> I don't care.
You don't care ...
Free software developers cares about the software they write. They care about licenses and boring legal stuff. Unfortunately Microsoft makes it illegal to make OOXML integration for individual developers. When Sun makes an OOXML converter to ODF, they are a company and got the legal team to handle the licensing issues. I suggest you yourself, since you don't care of legal risks, tries to implement Suns OOXML->ODF in KOffice based on the work from Sun Microsystems. But it seems that you don't know about this things in depth to do it your self. If that true, I think you should put your money where your month is. Instead of letting others live with the legal risks implementing OOXML, you should pay any legal cost for the developers who supports MS OOXML as you suggests. Or don't you care about that either?
I would be interested to know more about the source of information on Ecma OOXML being different from MS Office 2007. How does one validate this piece of information ?
It makes perfect sense. What you're missing is the other factor: how crap and deliberately unimplementable MS's format is.
"What you're missing is the other factor: how crap and deliberately unimplementable MS's format is."
Bullsh*t. There is already a working converter. KOffice just needs to execute it. If KOffice's ODF support is good enough (the converter does OOXML->ODF), most OOXML files will open just fine in KOffice.
This converter is using Mono which many people don't like. So it won't be included with KOffice.
That's why I wrote "optional". Nobody should be forced to install it, but people should have the option to do so. Learn to read.
yxxcvsdfbnfgnds writes:
> That's why I wrote "optional". Nobody should be forced to install it, but
> people should have the option to do so. Learn to read.
Microsoft makes it illegal for individual developers to implement the OOXML specification. So pleas pay the legal risks and cost of implementing a OOXML<->ODF converter. But you probably don't care about legal risks as you wrote in an earlier statement. Put your money where your month is, or are you just another Troll?:
Good to see that koffice is making progress!
I have always used it on my machines for years now and always felt using openoffice a real burden (kind of like the feeling when using firefox although that isnt as bad ooo ;) )...
The only problems i had with koffice where related to ODF support which seemd to have been improved and tables (I could never get KWord to make proper tables with different size cells that dont crash KWord when being merged or split...).
Other than that its a great light-weight Office Suite that just integrates well with my favorite desktop ;)
To be honest I just want an office suit that is just that, an office suit, word processor, etc. And now that OpenOffice 3 seems to be looking at bundling Thunderbird in as an email client to tackle outlook, I am looking more seriously at KOffice. So I am looking forward to see KOffice 2
Appears unlikely to be your reason as even if it is "bundled" you very likely won't have to install it just as you can choose which OOo apps to install at this point.
Well, according to business users, an office suite usually does include PIM software. This is why MS Office also comes with Outlook. On the KDE side, to get similar functionality, you need both KOffice and Kontact (with KMail, KAddressBook, KOrganizer, etc.).
I think you have cause and effect mixed up.
MS Office comes with Outlook, as an added value over the pre-installed stand-alone Outlook Express, therefore business users think an office suite usually contains PIM software.
On desktop systems with an open 3rd-party market one can have PIM suite and office suite from different software vendors, probably each a specialist in its field.
Is is often even possible to switch either later one, due to the power of almost all players using open standards.
As it has been stated by other people, you can install exactly what you need and leave out the rest. You have the option of just installed Base or Writer, and ignoring the other apps in the suite. Thunderbird shouldn't make or break the decision.
I'm eagerly awaiting KOffice 2. We're using OO atm in our business (we switched from MS Office to SO/OO already 6 years ago). Most of our documents are in .odf-format anyway, and 99% are simple letters with our corporate logo on top, simple layout and lots of text. I already did a test to open some in Koffice betas. After the GSOC KOffice got it 90% correct, only the Logo disappeared somehow. KOffice starts up instantly is fast and lightweight with a clean UI.
We still recieve .ppt/.doc/.xls files by mail. I still don't know how to handle these. OO will stay for sure, but for our own documents I'd really like to take KOffice.
So far: way to go KOffice team!
That is the biggest thing for me. OOo is slow, but it handles importing Microsoft documents for me.
Filter status for KOffice-2.0 is missing
( http://www.koffice.org/filters/ )
I'll recheck KOffice as fast as I'll be sure it gives some improvements
where it was really lacking.
It is amazing what great application suite such a small team of developers has created, and even more so what is happening now with koffice 2.
In my daily work koffice 1 is already perfectly usable, doing the job, and fast and fun to use.
Keep the pace up, guys, I can't wait to see koffice 2 !
I offer my strong support for the KDE and Koffice teams in your efforts to provide us computer users with a much better PC technology experience. Your reasons for supporting the ODF format are quite valid and understandable for anyone who has followed and understands the "reality" issues especially ooncerning OOXML.
Unfortunately many people here in the USA are totally ignorant of the facts
regarding ISO standards and certifications, and will continue to make stupid and completely (factually) false statements in support of Microsoft's disingenuous efforts at International open standards, simply because Bill Gates/Microsoft are an American entity and much of the KDE/Koffice and OpenOffice/ODF matter is European/Universal.
Keep up the good work, and do not be discouraged by having to constantly and time consumingly correct and educate people, and refute the nonsense like that which I have read in comments section.
This response is so late I wonder if anyone will even see it.
There are some developers who are a bit disenchanted with having to sign over copyrights to Sun and such, and haven't had their code included in OOo. IBM is now committing to becoming a major contributor to OOo, but what parts? I'm assuming much of the Lotus Suite's improvements will remain in IBM's fork so they can maintain copyright.
Lotus Suite is currently a fork of OOo 1, so they still have a long way to go to develop their fork. I wonder if IBM would instead consider contributing to and partnering with KOffice 2. The Lotus suite UI looked fairly sharp, and they seem to have a good idea for design. Collaborating with the KOffice devs (KOffice also has a better UI than OOo), I'm sure you guys could knock out incredible future versions of KOffice.
Big commercial support like that would be HUGE.
This is a brilliant idea. Someone should get the Koffice devs together with Aaron Seigo as our head honcho or a PR person from our side to talk to IBM about it. KOffice would be much easier for them to work with than the bloated, outdated (1.0) version of Openoffice.org they're currently using for their suite.
I also think this is a brilliant idea. You could compare lines of code (~1 million for the entirety of KOffice vs ~ *5 million* for OO.o) and the number of paid developers working on each (*1* for KOffice IIRC (and he works exclusively on Kexi) vs ~50 on OO.o).
As far as I'm concerned, it's a no-brainer for IBM: KOffice simply gives a much better return on investment in terms of developer costs and has a vastly superior architecture.
I also agree. They should definitely be approached. A few of us have already spoken to Thomas Zander about some of the things from the *older* Lotus Smart Suite that we would like in KOffice. If the new IBM Symphony/Lotus actually joined forces with Koffice to bring this about, we could really start the ball rolling on something huge.
How is the OpenDocument Foundation shift in support to the W3C Compound Document Format going to affect things (if at all)?
My guess is it will have no effect whatsoever. The "OpenDocument Foundation" has an official-sounding name but has nothing to do with actually directing ODF at all. See this blog posting for some discussion of this issue: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/10/cracks-in-foundation.html
plus http://www.valdyas.org/fading/index.cgi/politics/pattern.html and as usual Boudewijn is right :)


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