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- Operation of Website and Services and Product
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These terms and conditions (together with the information and policies contained in the "Customer Service" pages on the website and any other documents referred in these terms and conditions) (Terms and Conditions) set out the legal terms that apply to your use of the website http://www.mackintosh.com (Website or Site), the purchase of your products from Mackintosh Ltd (company number 01160398, VAT number GB262209283) whose registered office is at Mackintosh House, Waterford Street, Nelson, Lancashire, BB9 8AQ ("Mackintosh", we, us and our) and the services (Services) that are provided by Farfetch UK Limited and/or Farfetch.com US LLC depending on your location (Farfetch) under its trading division Black & White, as more particularly detailed below in the section headed Operation of Website and Services and Product.
Your purchase of any of the products offered on the Site (Products) is subject to these terms and conditions and by placing an order for any Product you agree to be bound by them. You should print a copy of these terms and conditions for future reference. Use of your personal information submitted to or via the Site is governed by our Privacy and Cookies Policy.
We reserve the right to change these terms and conditions from time to time by changing them on the Site, although no such change will affect any order you have already placed with us.
Access to the Site
It is your responsibility to ensure your equipment (computer, laptop, netbook, tablet or other mobile device) meets all the necessary technical specifications to enable you to access and use the Site and is compatible with the Site.
We may, from time to time, restrict access to certain features, parts or content of the Site, or the entire Site, to users who have registered with us. You must ensure that any registration details you provide are accurate. If you choose, or you are provided with, a log-on ID (such as a username and password or other identifier) as part of our security procedures, you must treat such information as confidential and must not reveal it to anyone else. You are responsible for all activities that occur under your log-on ID and must notify us immediately of any unauthorised use or other security breach of which you become aware. We reserve the right to disable any log-on ID, at any time, if in our opinion you have failed to comply with any of the provisions of these terms and conditions or if any details you provide for the purposes of registering as a user prove to be false.
Operation of Website and Services and Product
Operation of Website and delivery of Services
The Website is owned by Mackintosh Ltd. Mackintosh Ltd has subcontracted the operation of certain aspects of the Website to Black & White, a trading division of Farfetch. As such, Farfetch provides and/or procures certain services on behalf of Mackintosh Ltd to enable the operation of the Website and for you to search through the Website and purchase products from Mackintosh Ltd. Such Services include, but are not limited to, payment processing, customer service, hosting, and delivery logistics. The specific Farfetch entity procuring such payment processing services will depend on your location. If you are located in the USA then Farfetch.com US LLC will procure the payment processing services; if you are located anywhere else in the world Farfetch UK Limited will procure the payment processing services. Farfetch UK Limited is a company registered in England and Wales and its registered office is at The Bower, 211 Old Street, London EC1V 9NR United Kingdom. Its registered company number is 06400760 and its VAT number is GB 204 0769 35. Farfetch.com US LLC is a company registered in the USA and its registered office is at 2301, East 7th Street, Suite A-250 Los Angeles, California, 90023.
Please note that the delivery logistics service is being provided by Farfetch to you, the customer, and as such you are entering into a contract for delivery services provided by Farfetch. Farfetch may make a charge for these services which will be shown in at prior to checkout and your purchase of the products.Products
The Products are owned and sold on the Website by Mackintosh Ltd. Mackintosh Ltd attempts to be as accurate as possible in the description of the Products. However, we cannot guarantee that any descriptions are totally accurate, complete, reliable or error-free. The images of the Products on the Website are for illustrative purposes only. Although we attempt to display the colours accurately, we cannot guarantee that your computer's display of the colours accurately reflects the colour of the Products.
As a consumer, you have legal rights in relation to products that are faulty or not as described. Advice about your legal rights is available from your local Citizens' Advice Bureau or Trading Standards office. Nothing in these Terms and Conditions will affect these legal rights.
The Products sold are supplied for your domestic and private use only. You agree that you will not use the Products for any commercial, business or re-sale purposes. Neither Mackintosh Ltd nor Farfetch has any liability to you for any loss of profit, loss of business, business interruption, or loss of business opportunityOrdering and availability
Products may be ordered by clicking on the items you wish to purchase and then following the prompts that will appear on-screen. You may check and correct any input errors in your order up until the point at which you submit your order to us by clicking the "Pay Now" button on the checkout page.
After placing an order, you will receive an email from us acknowledging that we have received your order and giving you an order reference number. Please note that this does not mean that your order has been accepted. Your order constitutes an offer to us to buy a Product. All orders are subject to acceptance by us. We are not obliged to accept your order and may, at our discretion, decline to accept any order. You do, however, acknowledge that by clicking on the "Pay Now" button, you enter into an obligation to pay for the Product(s). Where we accept your order, we will confirm such acceptance to you by sending you an email that confirms that the Product has been despatched (Despatch Confirmation). The contract between you and us in relation to the Product(s) ordered (Contract) will only be formed when we send you the Despatch Confirmation. After entering into the Contract, we will be under a legal duty to supply you with goods that are in conformity with the Contract.
The Contract will relate only to the Product(s) whose despatch we have confirmed in the Despatch Confirmation. We will not be obliged to supply any other Product(s) which may have been part of your order until the despatch of such Product(s) has been confirmed in a separate Despatch Confirmation.
Your order will be fulfilled by the delivery date set out in the Despatch Confirmation or, if no delivery date is specified, then within 30 days after the date of the Despatch Confirmation, unless there are exceptional circumstances.
Your order will be delivered to the delivery address you specify when placing your order.
If your delivery address is geographically remote, for example certain outlying islands or other isolated locations, it is possible that we may not be able to deliver there. If that is the case, we will notify you before we accept your order. We reserve the right not to deliver to any country/region that is prohibited by applicable export laws. Orders cannot be delivered to PO Box or similar addresses.
Products comprised within the same order cannot be delivered to different addresses.
Deliveries are made by our trusted courier and take place on Monday to Saturday (or other normal working week days in countries/regions that do not follow a Western pattern of working week), excluding bank and public holidays, usually within the hours of 8am and 5pm. It is not possible to specify a precise time at which a delivery will take place. Please note that the courier may require deliveries to be signed for.
If you order Product(s) for international delivery, they may be opened and inspected by customs authorities and may be subject to import duties and taxes which are levied when the delivery reaches the specified destination. You will be responsible for payment of any such import duties and taxes. Please note that we have no control over these charges and cannot predict their amount. Please contact your local customs office for further information before placing your order. In the event that you return an item, the import duties will be refunded if they were originally included in the purchase price. If they were not included then you will responsible for reclaiming duty directly from your local customs office.
Please also note that you must comply with all applicable laws and regulations of the country/region for which the Product(s) are destined. We will not be liable for any breach by you of any such laws.
In certain circumstances our delivery partner may leave your package outside or provide you with the following optional services when delivering your order, such as: (a) signature release: opting out of the requirement to provide a signature on delivery; and/or (b) leave with neighbour, reception or security: re-directing the delivery to a neighbour, reception or security; and/or (c) reschedule a new delivery date: selecting a delivery date that best suits you; and/or (d) re-directing to a collection point: collecting your package from a collection point nearby. If our delivery partner leaves your package outside, or if you decide to select any of the optional services (including through any default preferences you may have selected with our delivery partner separately) you acknowledge and agree that Mackintosh Ltd shall bear no responsibility or liability for any loss or damage that may result from the delivery of your order in that way.
Mackintosh is pleased to offer a Click & Collect service, available at a selection of our stores. Now you can purchase online and collect your order from our London and New York stores. Just select which store you would like to collect from during the checkout process, then we will email you when your order is ready to be collected. A proof of purchase or ID has to be presented for the order to be released.
Risk and ownership
The Product(s) ordered will be at your risk from the time of delivery or collection (as the case may be). Ownership of the Product(s) ordered will also pass to you on delivery or collection (as the case may be), provided full payment of all sums due in respect of the Product(s), including any delivery charges, has been received.
Price and payment
The price of Products is as quoted on the Site from time to time.
Prices include VAT but exclude delivery costs, which will be automatically added (at the cost shown) to the total amount due when you view the items in your shopping basket, and have selected your chosen different delivery method.
Prices and delivery costs are liable to change at any time, but changes will not affect orders in respect of which we have already sent you a Despatch Confirmation.
The Site contains a large number of Products and it is always possible that, despite our best efforts, some of the Products listed on the Site may be incorrectly priced. We will normally verify prices as part of our despatch procedures so that, where a Product's correct price is less than our stated price, we will charge you the lower amount. If a Product's correct price is higher than the price stated on the Site, we will normally, at our discretion, either contact you for instructions before despatching the Product, or reject your order and notify you of such rejection.
Payment for all orders must be made by credit or debit card on the checkout page. We accept payment by most major credit and debit cards.
You should be aware that online payment transactions are subject to validation checks by your card issuer and we are not responsible if your card issuer declines to authorise payment for any reason. We also carry out a standard pre-authorisation check on your payment card, and Products will not be despatched until this pre-authorisation check has been completed. Please note, it is possible that your card issuer may charge you an online handling fee or processing fee. We are not responsible for this.
[From time to time we may run promotions where we issue discount codes. These can be used in part-payment of the price of Product(s) ordered online, subject to the terms and conditions under which they were issued (as indicated in our relevant promotion from which you got the code). Discount codes can only be used once, and only during the period of validity stated and only in respect of the relevant Product(s) stated. Discount codes cannot be redeemed for cash.]
Returns policy
Returned Products must conform to our returns policy below.
You have a legal obligation to take reasonable care of the products while they are in your possession, and you must return them in the same condition in which you receive them (except to the extent reasonably necessary to examine them). This includes the following guidelines:
● Products should be returned unworn (other than to try them on), unwashed, undamaged and unused with their original tags;
● footwear and accessories should be returned in the original boxes provided and inside a protective shipping box;
● if the Product comes with a security tag this should be left on;
● hosiery should only be returned if it is unopened and is in its original package; and
● lingerie and swimwear must only be tried on over your own lingerie garments.
If you fail to comply with the above obligations (including the conditions of return), we may deduct from the refund an amount to reflect the diminished value of the Product(s) up to the full price of the Product(s).
You cannot cancel a contract for the supply of any of the following Products:
● any Products that have been personalised or made to your own bespoke specifications unless such Products were damaged or faulty when delivered to you or have been incorrectly delivered (see Returns and refunds for customised Products below for more information);
● earrings of any type including costume or fine jewellery; and
● any garments or cosmetics Products that have had a hygiene label or seal removed or broken.
Returns and refunds for customised Products
Due to the nature of personalised and monogrammed Products, returns, changes or cancellations are at our discretion. In exercising this discretion, we will have regard to the level of customisation and personalisation and also reserve the right to offer a store credit rather than a monetary refund. Store credit is valid for 6 months from the date of issue. This does not affect your statutory rights. Please note, that personalised and/or customised Products may have a long lead in time before shipping, but payment will be taken at the time of or shortly after you submit your order and in advance of shipping.
Returns Process
We recommend that you return Products in their original packaging to ensure the necessary protection when in transit. Instructions for the return of the Product(s) will be included with the delivery package. When cancelling a purchase and returning Products to us you have two options available to you:
i. Depending on where you live, exercise your right to cancel under the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 (CCRs). If you choose this option you will be refunded the full price for the Product(s) (subject to our Returns Policy) and the cost of standard delivery but will be liable for the organisation and cost of returning the Product(s) to us.
ii. [Use our Free Returns service. If you choose this option you can return the Products(s) for free and will be refunded the full price for the Product(s) (subject to our Returns Policy) but not the delivery charges.]
We describe these two options in more detail below.
(i) Your cancellation right under the Consumer Contracts (Information, Cancellation and Additional Charges) Regulations 2013 (CCRs)
Except in relation to certain types of Products (as set out above), you may cancel a contract at any time before your order is delivered and up to 14 days afterwards, beginning on the day after you received the Products ("cooling-off period").
To cancel a Contract, you must clearly inform us, preferably:
● by email at email@example.com or by telephone on +44 (0)20 3934 9902, giving us your name, address and order reference; or
● by completing and returning the cancellation form and sending it to the address set out in the form.
If you cancel an order (or part of an order) during the cooling off period, you must return the Product(s) within 14 days after the day on which you notify us of the cancellation and comply with the Returns Policy.
If you cancel a Contract between us within the 14 day cooling-off period (see above), we will process the refund due to you as soon as possible and, in any case within 14 days after the day on which we receive the Product(s) back or (ii) if earlier, the day on which we receive evidence that you have returned the Product(s) to our returns address.
We will refund the price of the Product(s) in full (subject to any deduction we are entitled to make due to your use of or damage to the Product(s)), including the cost of standard delivery. However, we will not refund your cost of returning the Product(s) to us, and you are responsible for those costs. We will refund any money received from you using the same method originally used by you to pay for your purchase, unless agreed otherwise.
(ii) Free Returns Pick Up
We offer a free collection service to all customers for Product(s) you wish to return except in relation to certain types of Products as set out in the Returns Policy. You have 14 days from receiving your order to return the Product to us. We strongly recommend that you book your free returns pick-up within 7 days of receiving your order to ensure that it arrives back in time. Please note that we can only collect returns from the same country/region to which your order was delivered.
To book a free returns pick-up:
1. Sign in to the Site and go to My Account;
2. Under 'Orders' click on the 'Book a return collection' link next to the order you want to return;
3. Select the Products you would like to return and follow the steps to schedule a pick-up time and address.
We will e-mail you with your Returns Merchandise Authorisation (RMA) number, confirmation of your collection time and address, a booking reference number and returns documents.
What happens next?
Print out the Air Waybill (AWB) and attach it to the outside of the parcel. There will also be a copy to give to the courier. Please save a copy of the AWB for your records. You can use this to track your return shipment.
If you have been provided with a returns invoice for customs, please enclose one inside the package and attach a signed copy on the outside with the AWB.
Do not seal your package until the driver has checked the contents.
Please note that you have 30 days to contact us upon the pickup of your return to ensure that we have acknowledged it and received the Product. If you contact us after this 30 days period, we cannot guarantee a refund.
Faulty Products
If any Product you order is damaged or faulty when delivered to you or has developed a fault, you may have one or more legal remedies available to you, depending on when you make us aware of the problem, in accordance with your legal rights. If you believe a Product was delivered damaged or faulty or has developed a fault, you should inform us as soon as possible, preferably in writing, giving your name, address and order reference. Nothing in this section affects your legal rights.
Product information
Whilst we have taken reasonable steps to depict Products as accurately as possible through the photographs and other images featured on the Site, the detailing (such as colour, pattern and texture, etc.) you see on-screen will depend on your monitor and, as such, may not exactly reflect the actual detailing of a Product when you receive it.
Any information on the Site regarding sizing of Products is included as a guide only. If you are in any doubt as to the size of any Product you require, we recommend that you contact us prior to placing an order (see Contacting us).
What you are allowed to do
You may only use the Site for non-commercial use and only in accordance with these terms and conditions. You may retrieve and display content from the Site on a computer screen, print and copy individual pages and, subject to the next section, store such pages in electronic form. Additional terms may also apply to certain features, parts or content of the Site and, where they apply, will be displayed on-screen or accessible via a link.
What you are not allowed to do
Except to the extent expressly set out in these terms and conditions, you are not allowed to:
● 'scrape' content or store content of the Site on a server or other storage device connected to a network or create an electronic database by systematically downloading and storing all of the content of the Site;
● remove or change any content of the Site or attempt to circumvent security or interfere with the proper working of the Site or the servers on which it is hosted; or
● create links to the Site from any other website, without our prior written consent, although you may link from a website that is operated by you provided the link is not misleading or deceptive and fairly indicates its destination, you do not imply that we endorse you, your website, or any products or services you offer, you link to (and do not frame or replicate) the home page of the Site, and the linked website does not contain any content that is unlawful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, pornographic, obscene, vulgar, indecent, offensive or which infringes on the intellectual property rights or other rights of any third party.
You must only use the Site and anything available from the Site for lawful purposes (complying with all applicable laws and regulations), in a responsible manner, and not in a way that might damage our name or reputation or that of any of our affiliates.
All rights granted to you under these terms and conditions will terminate immediately in the event that you are in breach of any of them.
Intellectual property rights
All intellectual property rights in any content of the Site (including text, graphics, software, photographs and other images, videos, sound, trade marks and logos) are owned by Farfetch, Mackintosh Ltd or our licensors. Except as expressly set out here, nothing in these terms and conditions gives you any rights in respect of any intellectual property owned by us or our licensors and you acknowledge that you do not acquire any ownership rights by downloading content from the Site. In the event you print off, copy or store pages from the Site (only as permitted by these terms and conditions), you must ensure that any copyright, trade mark or other intellectual property right notices contained in the original content are reproduced.
We may change the format and content of the Site from time to time. You agree that your use of the Site is on an 'as is' and 'as available' basis and at your sole risk.
Whilst we try to make sure that all information contained on the Site (other than any user-generated content) is correct, it is not intended to amount to authority or advice on which reliance should be placed. You should check with us or the relevant information source before acting on any such information.
We make or give no representation or warranty as to the accuracy, completeness, currency, correctness, reliability, integrity, quality, fitness for purpose or originality of any content of the Site and, to the fullest extent permitted by law, all implied warranties, conditions or other terms of any kind are hereby excluded and we accept no liability for any loss or damage of any kind incurred as a result of you or anyone else using the Site or relying on any of its content.
We cannot and do not guarantee that any content of the Site will be free from viruses and/or other code that may have contaminating or destructive elements. It is your responsibility to implement appropriate IT security safeguards (including anti-virus and other security checks) to satisfy your particular requirements as to the safety and reliability of content.
External links
The Site may, from time to time, include links to external sites, which may include links to third party offers and promotions. We include these to provide you with access to information, products or services that you may find useful or interesting. We are not responsible for the content of these sites or for anything provided by them and do not guarantee that they will be continuously available. The fact that we include links to such external sites does not imply any endorsement of or association with their operators or promoters.
Our liability
Nothing in these terms and conditions shall limit or exclude our liability to you:
● for death or personal injury caused by our negligence;
● for fraudulent misrepresentation;
● for breach of any term implied by the Consumer Rights Act 2015 and which, by law, may not be limited or excluded
● under Part I of the Consumer Protection Act 1987; or
● for any other liability that, by law, may not be limited or excluded.
Subject to this, in no event shall we be liable to you for any business losses and any liability we do have for losses you suffer arising from any Contract shall not exceed the purchase price of the relevant Product(s) and is strictly limited to losses that were reasonably foreseeable. Losses are foreseeable where they could be contemplated by you and us at the time your order is accepted by us.
We will not be liable or responsible for any failure to perform, or delay in performance of, any of our obligations under any Contract that is caused by events outside our reasonable control.
You may not transfer or assign any or all of your rights or obligations under any Contract.
All notices given by you to us must be given in writing to the address set out at the end of these terms and conditions. We may give notice to you at either the email or postal address you provide to us when placing an order.
If we fail to enforce any of our rights, that does not result in a waiver of that right.
If any provision of these terms and conditions is found to be unenforceable, all other provisions shall remain unaffected.
These terms and conditions may not be varied except with our express written consent.
These terms and conditions and any document expressly referred to in them represent the entire agreement between you and us in relation to the subject matter of any Contract. We are required by law to advise you that Contracts may be concluded in the English language only and that no public filing requirements apply.
These terms and conditions shall be governed by English law, and you agree that any dispute between you and us regarding them or any Contract will only be dealt with by the English courts, provided that, if you live in a part of the United Kingdom other than England, the applicable law of that part of the United Kingdom will govern and any dispute will only be dealt with by the courts there.
Contacting us
Please submit any questions you have about these terms and conditions or an order you have placed or ordering in general by email to firstname.lastname@example.com, by telephone on 44 (0) 20 3962 1484 between the hours of 9am to 5pm, Monday to Friday or write to us at:
Mackintosh Ltd
17 Slingsby Place, London WC2E 9AB, England
Cancellation Form
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Mackintosh House,
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Nelson, Lancashire BB9 8AQ
I/We* hereby give notice that I/we* cancel my/our* contract of sale of the following goods* / for the supply of the following service*:
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Names of consumer(s): …………………………………….
Address of consumer(s): …………………………………..
Signature of consumer(s) (only if this form is notified on paper): …………………………………
Date: …………………………………
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New Mexico is a state located in the southwestern region of the United States. Inhabited by Native American populations for many centuries, it has also been part of the Imperial Spanish viceroyalty of New Spain, part of Mexico, and a U.S. territory. Among U.S. states, New Mexico has the highest percentage of Hispanics at 45% (2008 estimate), being descendants of Spanish colonists and recent immigrants from Latin America. It also has the third-highest percentage of Native Americans after Alaska and Oklahoma, and the fifth-highest total number of Native Americans after California, Oklahoma, Arizona, and Texas. The tribes represented in the state consist of mostly Navajo and Pueblo peoples. As a result, the demographics and culture of the state are unique for their strong Spanish, Mexican, and Native American cultural influences. At a population density of 16 per square mile, New Mexico is the sixth most sparsely inhabited U.S. state.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_mexico]

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Friday, July 16, 2010
Nabeel Qureshi and Paul Arrested at Dearborn Arab Festival (Video Footage)
Also take a close look at the accusations of the Dearborn Police, Mayor John C. O'Reilly, certain local Christian leaders, etc. Then ask yourself, "Why are so many people lying about Acts 17?"
"An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his or her liberty has the same right to use force in defending him or herself as he or she would in repelling any other assault and battery." (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
"Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense." (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
"One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance." (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
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I'm reposting what I put on the video page...
Dearborn Police Department: (313) 943-2240(general info line); 313.943.2241 (police desk)
Cheif Ronald Haddad: Phone: 313.943.2235 (office)
Mayor John B. O'Reilly: Phone: (313) 943.2300(office); e-mail: email@example.com - July 16, 2010 at 11:11 PM
- Roger Sharp said...
Amen! Great Questions, Great Answers!
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Well done, I think you were able to legitimately answer the questions of the youth in a very professional and respectful manner.
I think the questions that they were asking were very good ones as you mentioned and it was very clear that they were there to have a dialogue with you.
I think the fact that your entire family is Muslim brought you a lot of credibility in their eyes, and not only should you NOT have been arrested, but people with a background like yours (former muslims) should be encouraged to attend these sorts of festivals to further engage in meaningful dialogue between the faiths.
May the peace of the Lord be always with you. - July 16, 2010 at 11:20 PM
- ned said...
Praise God brothers,
My heart is filled with joy for the boldness with which brother Nabeel shared Gospel with muslims.
As for dearborn police a big shame is waiting for them. God said that those who put faith in Him will never be ashamed.
God Bless you all - July 16, 2010 at 11:23 PM
- Traeh said...
Those teenagers when they first approached in the video -- at least some of them -- were looking a little belligerent. Were they about to riot? Teenagers are notoriously volatile, so it's hard to say for sure, but saying they were about to riot certainly seems an exaggeration. At the same time, the situation did look a little dangerous at the beginning of the video, and from that point of view, the officers' reporting of potential riot (i.e., brawl) was not absolutely inaccurate. That doesn't mean the arrest was legal, judicious, or necessary. But I can understand officers wanting to preempt any possibility of violence. That is part of their job. But it's a more important part of their job to protect the First Amendment. And there, the police made a mistake.
As Nabeel talked, the teenagers seemed to mellow out a little. Was Nabeel screaming at them? No. The police obviously exaggerated. The conversation was developing in an interesting way, and it would have been good to see where it was going. But when police action cuts off speech, communication and creativity is silenced. That's how societies can become sterile.
While I think the police were wrong, I can partly understand the desire to preempt any potential for violence.
I hope that Acts17 wins this case, for the sake of the First Amendment and religious freedom. Acts17 are heroes in my book, and brilliant. Keep up the incredible, brave work. - July 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM
- Christie said...
Oh the police department,police chief and the mayor are TOAST! It shows up their falsehoods so much I am shocked that you were even charged after the footage was reviewed. I am so proud of you guys! If I had buttons on they would be popping off I am so proud of you my Christian brothers, and sister! Nabeel, You were kind, and gracious and well spoken even when others were less than all that, and you told the young men present the gospel with grace and sincerity. David and Paul you did a fabulous job recording and doing what you were supposed to do! I think some Christian leaders also owe you a sincere apology.
- July 16, 2010 at 11:37 PM
- Chad Groenhout said...
The point is they should never had arrested any of them. Even if they were trying to get them out of a dangerous situation, why charge them? Why handcuff them? They could have expressed their concern and tried to escort them away from the area, but they handcuffed them and arrested them. Took their camera away and are continuing to charge them. I don't understand your point. - July 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM
- Jay44 said...
INCREDIBLE!! Arrested for that...and CHARGED?? There is no way on God's green earth that they will win this case.
- July 17, 2010 at 12:05 AM
OK, fair enough. As an agnostic, I disagree with your message, but you have the right to share your message in a non-disruptive manner that doesn't infringe on the rights of others. From that video footage, I did not see Nabeel acting improperly or engaging in anything illegal. Unless there is evidence against you that we are not aware of, you guys have done nothing illegal and it appears the charges against you are false.
I hope the DPD giving you back your video footage does not mean they have something else up their sleeve.
Also why would your fellow Christians lie about you? Aren't you guys supposed to be unified? (John 17) - July 17, 2010 at 12:08 AM
- Radical Moderate said...
Trully amazing. Really amazing.
"Suffer unto me the little chrildren"
Some observations aside from the obvious.
Notice when the "YUTES" first come up to Nabeel they are atagnoistic. But then Nabeel calms them down speaking through the holy spirit.
Notice that they go from total anomosity to asking real questions about our faith.
This is something that I noticed at ISNA with Antonio, Sam and David. It was the muslim "YUTES" who approached and were interested. 99.9 percent of the adults just walked away or were telling the muslim kids "Dont listen to them, there crazy"
They are starving for Christ.
Amazing, really amazing.
Oh Yahya Snow, just to let you know "YUTE" is not a insult its from a Joe Pecchi Movie, which if it is not already will go down as a American movie classic. - July 17, 2010 at 12:15 AM
- Radical Moderate said...
I forgot to add, One of the "Yutes" that Antonio was diologuing with, actualy said at the end. "This has been intersting, I have never talked to a christian before... I mean never talked about what you guys believe... I didnt know about this stuff" or words to that effect.
Oh he was actually late teens maybe 20 but to me that is a YUTE.
God I'm old :) - July 17, 2010 at 12:27 AM
- mkvine said...
Theres no way the DPD is going to get out of this one. Nabeel even asked the police, "Is this legal?" the Police answered "Yes." That right there should be a huge blow to the DPD in court.
- July 17, 2010 at 1:27 AM
- Glenn Hendrickson said...
David and Nabeel, I've been following this story and posting the videos on this page as the saga progressed. I took the liberty of taking some screenshots of the police involved in the arrest if you are interested:
http://eyeonapologetics.com/blog/current-events/christians-falsely-arrested-in-dearborn-mi/ - July 17, 2010 at 2:03 AM
- Lazaro Lopez said...
Thanks Brothers! :) Please listen to a testimony from an open air Gospel preacher. Several times in Seattle I have been NICELY asked to stop preaching at Folklife Festivals and such, where some in very large crowds were being really hostile; (NOT like in this video with Nabeel and the young Muslim men). The Seattle Police Officers would nicely ASK me, and then tell me; "We can't make you stop because of your free speech rights, but we are asking you to stop for 10 minutes to let some people calm down"; We can see the great difference between this and what the DBPD has illegally done. There is NO QUESTION that the DBPD has succumbed to a dhimmie like attitude and are being manipulated by a Muslim mentality. I join with many others and call upon some of you local Pastors of Dearborn to humble yourselves and apologize to Acts 17! "I am not ashamed of The Gospel of Christ". Rom.1:16. Get out of your cozy Christian clergy closet caves and "Do the work of the evangelist" 2 Tim.4:5. This means "PREACH"-kerusso, proclaim, cry out,out in public, like the town crier,etc. And by the way, just passing out literature does not qualify as "preach" in the Biblical sense of the word. I said this once before: I was an EYEWITNESS to most of what happened that night,and our brothers did nothing wrong! The videos are proof of everything. We have to stand up to this evil. Like it says in II Thess."because they recieved not a love of the truth". Body of Christ! We need to come together like never before. "Love In The Truth" III John v.1. (I'll calm down now).
- July 17, 2010 at 2:21 AM
Hi everyone,
Praised be our Lord Jesus Christ that the video cameras are back.
I've re posted here the videos about the arrest(hope there isn't a problem, if there is a problem let me know so I could take them down).
Paul. - July 17, 2010 at 2:28 AM
- The Berean Search said...
This was a peaceful conversation, not an arrestable offense. Sadly, The Adversary was clearly at work in this situation. Just as meaningful dialogue was opening up...in come the police to execute an arrest. It's also interesting to note how strong of an influence the work of Ahmed Deedat still has over these young Muslims (sad).
- July 17, 2010 at 3:02 AM
- leviMichealathan said...
God bless u guys
- July 17, 2010 at 4:18 AM
- Dean said...
I loved those young men asking thoughtful, intelligent questions, how beautiful was that! And Nabeel answering in such a courteous manner. That was amazing, the police really killed the moment.
Stunning video, guys! I was really nervous for Nabeel, but man he stood there like a champ, praise be to the Holy Spirit. I'm soooo inspired right now! - July 17, 2010 at 4:39 AM
- Penfreek said...
I just want to encourage you brothers with the fact that if you check history, the church grew when it was persecuted. You've been given an incredible honor of being persecuted for Christ and to bear His Testimony before these brothers who are lost to Satan. So may your hearts be gladdened by the fact that you are planting the seeds for an incredibly large harvest. As far as the authorities are concerned, I am sorry for them, they will be given their just recompense and on that day, at least some of these brothers you have interacted with, will bow their knees before Christ in His worship and these men will realize how wrong they have been. Cheer up brothers! Soon you shall also bring in the souls for which you have been unjustly arrested.
- July 17, 2010 at 4:43 AM
- hugh watt said...
Am I missing something here? I thought you were supposed to be told; 'I'm arresting you for,' read your rights, then cuffed and taken away! I'm serious; can someone tell me what I missed.
- July 17, 2010 at 5:08 AM
- Fernando said...
Will we have some feedback from:
Besmikov Lenko?
Osama the Great Abdallah?
Yahya Snow?
Ethesham the lyer Gulam?
hope so...
@ brother Nabeel: your presence was amaizing; your words Spirit inspired; your peacefull actitude noble; you are a real blessing to Christianity... may God bless you inn your life: I'm prounde to be your brother inn Christ...
finaly: can anyone imagine the reasons why thate youth was saying thate there are 8 bibles? thankes... - July 17, 2010 at 5:16 AM
Thus video alone vindicates the Dearborn 4. What riot? wha? dangerous cituation? and what impending thunderstorm? If I recall the correctly there would be no storm for a few more houurs. In fact
the weahter was not threating at all.
As you saw all Nabeel was doing was having a conversation and was arrested.
This begs the question why. Politics The mayor and police chief's jobs depend on keeping the Muslims happy and if they can inforce a bit of Shariah it means votes. "The truth be damned and Allahua-u-akbar. - July 17, 2010 at 6:57 AM
- Michelle Qureshi said...
Fernando, I'm guessing he was referring to translations.
- July 17, 2010 at 7:07 AM
- Michelle Qureshi said...
Thanks for the support, everyone! I am blessed to have friends like you :-)
- July 17, 2010 at 7:08 AM
- The Berean Search said...
Look at this absurd nonsense:
"Fortunately people who went to the festival to cause problems obtained criminal records for their trouble, namely four Christian missionaries from a group called Acts 17 Apologetics, who with video cameras assaulted Muslims at the festival in order to make people react angrily and then post their videos on youtube.
Nabeel Qureshi, a convert to Christianity, and David Wood, members of the Acts 17 group, were arrested after assaulting several people. Their names and videos were listed on several anti-Muslim websites.
What was quite remarkable at the festival was the increased evangelical Christian presence–although the churches that maintained booths at the festival seemed respectful in comparison with the hoodlums who were arrested, it is quite an assault against Muslims when they cannot even walk at an Arab festival without people trying to drag them away from their religion"
This was dated June 24th and apparently you all were "assaulting" Muslims. What do you think the odds of this website ever printing a retraction or correction are once you are acquitted of the charges? (and as far as I know assault is not something any of you have been charged with, so frankly they owe you a printed retraction/correction right now) - July 17, 2010 at 7:40 AM
- Radical Moderate said...
"Can I eat my falafal now"
Thats all Nabeel wanted to do was eat his Falafal, when he was approached. - July 17, 2010 at 8:10 AM
- Radical Moderate said...
I can just hear Yahya Snows voice
Nabeel is a liar, you can clearly hear that Nabeel does raise his voice when he SHOUTS "My Mom is Muslim, my Dad is Muslim, My sister is Muslim all my cousins are Muslim, I LOVE MUSLIM"
How dare Nabeel shout that he loves Muslims. - July 17, 2010 at 8:14 AM
- Unknown said...
The following explains Islam's agenda for America and Dearborn is a prime example.
The U.S constitution has been in existence for more than two hundred years and is based upon the conviction that a civilized nation is built on freedom and human rights.
No other time in American history have we witnessed the building of an infrastructure on American soil by foreigners with an agenda to further their own separate, incompatible ideology and legal system. Loyalty to Islam has no borders and takes precedent over allegiance to the flag of any nation, including America.
Arab-Muslims never integrate into a new society to become a part of it because their allegiance is first to Islam.
Our dilemma lies in the fact that we as Americans, as well as others in the West, are simply unable to grasp the Arab-Muslim mentality because to understand it we must be outside our Western mind-set, by reaching beyond our borders and focusing on both the accounts of the oppressed non-Muslims within Arab countries and parallel examples around the world, we may begin to understand the goals, motives and thinking of this particular culture
It does seem likely that practitioners of Islam here in America are not subscribers to the Bill of Rights for the long term, but instead choose the precepts of Islam and the verses which dictate their actions. As sweet words are spoken, the sword is drawn and ready, as in this quote translated into English from one of the basic Islamic reference books: Sahih al-Bukhari 6924-Allah's Messenger said, I have been ordered to kill the people till they say there is no other god but Allah' ('La ilaha illallah'), and whoever said La ilaha illahllah, Allah will save his property and his life from me."
The United States is indeed at a crossroads, and it is time to put aside our political differences in order to defend our liberties. Our freedom is a way of life and a treasure which we are obligated to protect, and we must acknowledge that we are accepting those into our country who now constitute a serious threat to our values. Islamic immigration with the implementation of Shariah law is not assimilation into the U.S. of America but rather a distinctly different intention. We must not be silent on this issue but find the courage to speak out to defend our precious freedom here on American soil.
VOTC newsletter Sat. July 17, 2010. - July 17, 2010 at 8:16 AM
- Zack_Tiang said...
hugh watt said...
"Am I missing something here? I thought you were supposed to be told; 'I'm arresting you for,' read your rights, then cuffed and taken away! I'm serious; can someone tell me what I missed."
Yes, I agree. What is this? This is terrible! Beat the crap (figure of speech) out of them in court, guys!
May the Almighty and Just God deal with them as He sees fitting of their opposition to His messengers.
On an additional note... I fail to see jem or Elaine anywhere so far...
Maybe they've yet to return to this blog to check out these exonerating videos.
Praise God that He continues to protect His children from the Devil's evil schemes. - July 17, 2010 at 9:13 AM
- Mike Licona said...
Nice job, guys. Nabeel, you did a phenomenal job staying cool under fire. The one youth was continuously antagonistic and your replies wonderfully deflected his words while fairly answering him and keeping things calm.
- July 17, 2010 at 9:13 AM
To Nabeel,
"Thanks for the support, everyone! I am blessed to have friends like you :-)"
I say like Jesus Christ: I don't name you my friends, but my brothers, cause we have the same Lord.
God bless you all!
Paul. - July 17, 2010 at 10:14 AM
- Don Sharpe said...
Here's the message I sent to all the Dearborn city departments and judges. Let me know how it turns out! Check out my blog when you get a chance.
"You have to explain to me this video clip, and how I can be certain my family and I won't be arrested for something we didn't do when we're vacationing in Dearborn.
If your Police are willing to lie on an arrest report, and then lie about what they saw in court, how can anyone be safe in your city?" - July 17, 2010 at 10:26 AM
- Traeh said...
Chad Groenhout,
I clearly said I thought the police were wrong to arrest them. I said I hope Acts 17 wins their case -- by which I meant not only defeating the charges against them, but winning in the civil action their lawyer said he would bring against Dearborn.
What don't you understand in the rest of what I said? Is any of what I said not true? - July 17, 2010 at 10:36 AM
- Letitia (The Damsel) said...
From my facebook update:
Second video up from Dearborn ready for public viewing. Notice there is no screaming or yelling from anyone on the video, especially not from Nabeel. Notice the crowd of boys was interested in asking Nabeel more questions as the police stealthily arrested David in the background. Notice that the police did not tell Nabeel why he wa...s being arrested or THAT he was being arrested at the time they put handcuffs on. Nor did the video pick up anything police said to Paul. If there was an impending riot, the police did not tell the crowd to disperse first if indeed safety was their first priority. David asked "Did you notice something missing from the footage?" I certainly noticed MANY things missing from the footage that don't match what the allegations are against Acts 17. - July 17, 2010 at 10:41 AM
- jimyai said...
After reading your prologue about the right to resist an unlawful arrest, it seems to me that the officers who made the illegal arrests and the supervisors who ordered them to do it should charged criminally with assault and civilly with violating Act 17's civil rights.
Follow it up the chain of command to the mayor's office and the Muslim leaders who gave them their orders. - July 17, 2010 at 11:16 AM
- Methodus said...
You guys are wonderful. I am so happy to have you as brothers and sisters in Christ. I absolutely love how you were able to carry on such a wonderful conversation with those Muslim youths, Nabeel. I mean you can tell that they were looking to trap you but you spoke to them calmly and lovingly by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Dearborn PD should be ashamed of themselves but that would mean that they'd first have to hold values such as honesty in high esteem and really, I doubt that.
- July 17, 2010 at 11:43 AM
- kitchenmaid said...
Praise the Lord! The Word was preached. It will not return void. Nabeel; you handled that group of young men and boys very well. I detected a note of disrespect on their faces initially, but they warmed up to your friendliness and informative discussion.
- July 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM
- mkvine said...
Where have all the haters accusing Nabeel and David of doing wrong gone?
- July 17, 2010 at 1:42 PM
- el Lobo said...
Nabeel and Master Wood, stop pretending you don't know why you were arrested.
Can you please disclose the formal charges for your arrest so that people can get an idea of whether the arrest was justified on the basis of Michigan state law.
My guess is that you were arrested for disorderly conduct and if that is the case then I don't think you stand a chance in court. - July 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
Bartimaeus -
There was a nasty storm that night. But it hit around 9:30 to 10:00ish.
I'm actually not sure why the weather was included in the police report. You'd think the report would focus on their activities and the people engaged with them. - July 17, 2010 at 1:50 PM
- Chad Groenhout said...
"While I think the police were wrong, I can partly understand the desire to preempt any potential for violence."
I guess I got the feeling from your post that you had a little feeling of understanding for the police officers when they arrested them. Sorry if I misunderstood you. - July 17, 2010 at 1:52 PM
- Nic said...
I'm glad these videos are being released. Those were wise words spoken by Nabeel and I think a very wise move to ask the officer if he was legally allowed to take the microphone and get his answer on tape.
I pray God will be glorified in wise use of words in the upcoming court sessions. - July 17, 2010 at 1:58 PM
- James said...
I just watched last years Dearborn video, Sharia law in the US. Living and working in Dearborn for many years I knew a few of the security guards. The leading guard in the red shirt with the goat tee was Hassan Makled. The other guy Sam (the built guy who kept smacking the camera) is the boxing coach at the Kronk boxing club at golds gym in Dearborn. I was surprised to see Has doing what he did, and then again I wasn't.
- July 17, 2010 at 2:08 PM
- Michelle Qureshi said...
I'm beginning to think Lupus is a troll - what say ye?
- July 17, 2010 at 2:10 PM
- Fernando said...
Lupus a troll? No way; by any means... he's just a rabies dog... to sad to say this, butt I do think so... just watch: he has inflammation of the brain since he cannot think properly nor speak withe coeherence and truth rather always lying and making posteporous claims... is there some sort off cure to this deciese? I guess so: apostacizing from islam...
- July 17, 2010 at 2:18 PM
- James said...
Lupus is either a troll or it's Mayor O'Reilly maybe even Cheif Haddad dropping by to say hello. Maybe Lupus is with the STF from Dearborn. Either way, Brother Nabeel, Lupus = Troll....
- July 17, 2010 at 2:27 PM
- Michelle Qureshi said...
I highly doubt it's the mayor or the chief, but I am leaning on the "yes" side for troll. This latest comment is absurd.
- July 17, 2010 at 2:32 PM
- el Lobo said...
Nabeel wrote:
I highly doubt it's the mayor or the chief, but I am leaning on the "yes" side for troll. This latest comment is absurd.
Lupus replied:
Well my dear friend nabeel if my comment is so absurd why not chase away the troll by telling us what the carges are.
By the way disorderly conduct doesn't have to entail any leud act or intoxication on the part of the one arrested.
I suggest you check the definition of disorderly conduct in Michigan state law. - July 17, 2010 at 2:40 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
Lupus -
On this site, we've been discussing constitutionality, legality, motives, Christian response to government, Christian actions with regard to the unbelievers. That's a lot of weighty material. Then you come on here with that comment? It appears as though you just want to say whatever to attack these guys' integrity. They read the police report. They've stated the charge: disturbance of the peace.
Now, I don't expect you to agree with them, but you should at least thoughtfully interact with the material presented. - July 17, 2010 at 2:42 PM
- Michelle Qureshi said...
The reason your comment is absurd is because we've not only stated the charges multiple times, we've also provided excerpts from the police reports in multiple videos (I can count 3 right off the top of my head, all different excerpts). It seems like you're not looking into anything, but just trying to rile people up.
And no, I didn't conclude anything. You'll know when I have.
-Nabeel - July 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM
- James said...
I was thinking, at next years festival, and yes I said next years festival, having some undercover brothers (and sisters) with camera's that can record your interactions without being detained by the STF might be a great addition. When you are arrested next year, and I fully anticipate you will be, you won't have to wait so long to out the STF for their lies and deception. It can almost be real time updates. I just imagine what is going to happen after the STF looses their shirts in court over violations of both civil rights and falsifying police documents and probably even false arrest. Next year the STF will most certainly erase any video to keep the truth down.
- July 17, 2010 at 2:49 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
"As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned."
This is from Titus 3:10-11.
But back up to v.9 "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless."
The context of this passage is division amongst the church brethren concerning the law and fruitless arguments on genealogies. To apply this passage at all to this situation is probably inappropriate exegesis. David and Nabeel's actions would not fit this particular admonishment because they are not intentionally stirring up division in the church with false teachings about God or the law. Nor have they gone around purposefully to argue with the body of Christ or with Christian leadership through endless (or aimless) fruitless questioning. Their actions are related to people outside the body of Christ and to a secular governing body. Here's some support from commentaries:
(next post) - July 17, 2010 at 2:52 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
Here's the Tyndale Bible Commentary on this passage:
A person who causes "divisions" (3:10; "factious man," nasb; "heretic," kjv) is one who argues foolishly without accurate Scriptural support.
The Bible Exposition Commentary:
Problem People (Titus 3:9–11)
"We wish we did not have "problem people" in our churches; but wherever there are people, there can be problems. In this case, Paul warned Titus to avoid people who like to argue about the unimportant things of the faith."
Warren W. Wiersbe
And from the "A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments":
In regard to verse 9, "Not so much direct heresy as yet is here referred to, as profitless discussions about genealogies of aeons, etc … which ultimately led to Gnosticism.
Strivings about the law = about the authority of the "commandments of men," which they sought to confirm by the law (Tit 1:14; see on 1Ti 1:7), and about the mystical meaning of the various parts of the law in connection with the "genealogies."
Verse 10. In this passage the word Greek word for heretic is used. "Heresy," originally meant a division resulting from individual self-will; the individual doing and teaching what he chose, independent of the teaching and practice of the Church. In course of time it came to mean definitely "heresy" in the modern sense; and in the later Epistles it has almost assumed this meaning. The heretics of Crete, when Titus was there, were in doctrine followers of their own self-willed "questions" reprobated in Tit 3:9, and immoral in practice.
Unless you are claiming that they teach heresies (false doctrine), then this passage is not applicable to the current situation.
(continued next post) - July 17, 2010 at 2:52 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
Here's the Tyndale Bible Commentary on this passage:
A person who causes "divisions" (3:10; "factious man," nasb; "heretic," kjv) is one who argues foolishly without accurate Scriptural support.
The Bible Exposition Commentary:
Problem People (Titus 3:9–11)
"We wish we did not have "problem people" in our churches; but wherever there are people, there can be problems. In this case, Paul warned Titus to avoid people who like to argue about the unimportant things of the faith."
Warren W. Wiersbe
(continued next post) - July 17, 2010 at 2:53 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
However, James 4:11-12 does apply here:
"Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"
The Tyndale Bible Commentary:
"James 4:11–12 relates to the tongue analogy but more specifically to taking over authority that belongs to God alone. James exhorted believers to avoid slandering their brothers. He condemned a censorious, hypocritical judgment (cf. Matt. 7:1–5). He was not rejecting the appropriateness of judging others in proper contexts (cf. Matt. 18:15–18). His very letter is an example of proper, humble, and loving evaluations."
MJ - July 17, 2010 at 2:53 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
And from the "A Commentary, Critical and Explanatory, on the Old and New Testaments":
In regard to verse 9, "Not so much direct heresy as yet is here referred to, as profitless discussions about genealogies of aeons, etc … which ultimately led to Gnosticism.
Strivings about the law = about the authority of the "commandments of men," which they sought to confirm by the law (Tit 1:14; see on 1Ti 1:7), and about the mystical meaning of the various parts of the law in connection with the "genealogies."
Verse 10. In this passage the word Greek word for heretic is used. "Heresy," originally meant a division resulting from individual self-will; the individual doing and teaching what he chose, independent of the teaching and practice of the Church. In course of time it came to mean definitely "heresy" in the modern sense; and in the later Epistles it has almost assumed this meaning. The heretics of Crete, when Titus was there, were in doctrine followers of their own self-willed "questions" reprobated in Tit 3:9, and immoral in practice.
Unless you are claiming that they teach heresies (false doctrine) and stir up the church with fruitless questioning, then this passage is not applicable to the current situation. - July 17, 2010 at 2:53 PM
- el Lobo said...
Nabeel, I apologize for not checking the facts before asking my question. I'm a human being, sometimes you get an idea and just run with it, whitout stopping to check whether the idea is a valid one. Seems like i've managed to run into a brick wall this time.
Again I apologize.
Lupus - July 17, 2010 at 2:55 PM
- Lydia McGrew said...
Taryn, thanks: Can you give us any other e-mail addresses? For example, how about an e-mail address for Chief Haddad? An e-mail address for Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox would be good, too.
May I add: The primary election in which Atty. General Cox is running for the Republican nomination for Michigan Governor is on the same day as the evidence court date in this case--August 3. - July 17, 2010 at 2:56 PM
- Anthony Rogers said...
I think I know where Lupus is coming from. He has obviously only seen the footage from Negeen's camera and has not bothered to watch the footage from Paul's. We know that for all Deerbornistan loyalists the evidence from a woman's camera is only equal to half that of a man's.
- July 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM
- Tom ta tum Tom said...
Precious, PRECIOUS brother Nabeel -
Perhaps you are a Doctor but PLEASE don't hold back from also being a TEACHER to others about how to interact with Muslims.
I think you're a called man. I KNOW that you're a blessed man and a blessing for many. HALLELUJAH!! HALLELUJAH!!
For months now you and David and crew have been blessing me but this video is like a Doctoral level presentation on successful interaction with the lost. Your preparation in study and prayer and fasting really is a key isn't it? That, and your huge, heart of love...
As the young people used to say "YOU ROCK!" (or more nearly, it's Jesus in you who rocks, doesn't He?).
THANK YOU ACTS 17 and ABN! THANK YOU FATHER GOD!
KAFIR AND PROUD! MAY JESUS CHRIST BE PRAISED!! - July 17, 2010 at 3:04 PM
- el Lobo said...
Anthony Rogers said:
"We know that for all Deerbornistan loyalists the evidence from a woman's camera is only equal to half that of a man's."
Lupus replied:
I feel comfort in knowing that i'm not the only one who rushes to conclusions. - July 17, 2010 at 3:09 PM
- Confident Christianity said...
Sorry for the duplicate posts, everyone. I get a 'too large post error' and then it goes through anyway. Bah!
I guess I needed to be more concise. :-) - July 17, 2010 at 3:17 PM
- Lydia McGrew said...
I hate to be the first one to say this, but I think the young men talking to Nabeel were "in on it." Here's what it looks like to me: A non-negligible portion of the Muslim population in Dearborn believes that it is _illegal_ to "preach" during the Arab festival, except from a booth at a prescribed location. Remember on last year's video, they yelled, "Your preaching place is at..." and then named an intersection. In this video, the young men, who start off rather hostile, say, "Preach to me." To my eye, that looks like a set-up, as though "preaching" in that place and at that time is illegal and as if this is a kind of a "sting" operation: "We'll entrap him into preaching; then the police can arrest him." Notice too that they don't seem very surprised when Nabeel is arrested. I would also point out that the existence of a "crowd" is the excuse the police are using for arresting the Dearborn Four. Now, that's ridiculous in itself: Think of all the times that controversial speakers have had their speeches shut down by mobs. But the speakers haven't been arrested! (It would be interesting to see what would happen if the police arrested, say, Ann Coulter because a "crowd was gathering" and growing dangerous at one of her scheduled talks!) But again, I think that the young men were part of the pre-set "crowd"--the idea being that a crowd was needed to excuse the arrest. I don't know exactly at what level all the collusion was going on, but the police report does say that they got numerous "complaints" about Nabeel and David, so it looks like they set it up as form a crowd, get you guys to "preach," then complain to the police about you, then the police arrest you, because "preaching" with a "crowd" around you is illegal at the Arab festival, right? Isn't it?
That's my take, anyway. And the police cooperated somehow. After all, they did make the arrest and are now trying to justify it.
Is Thomas More just giving them more rope with which to hang themselves before filing a civil rights lawsuit? Your enthusiastic supports are waiting eagerly to hear that _your_ suit has been filed! - July 17, 2010 at 5:35 PM
- V. Settles said...
Still keeping you guys in my thoughts and prayers. I loved the conversations between Nabeel and the Muslims asking questions. If anything this video is proof and a blow to DPD. Guys, keep doing what you're doing no matter what!
- July 17, 2010 at 5:36 PM
- Haecceitas said...
Are you planning to eventually put the video footage online in its entirety? I know it may take time and you are busy people but putting it all there would minimize the accusations of misrepresentation.
- July 17, 2010 at 5:43 PM
- Lydia McGrew said...
Lupus, I hope you are not implying that if the charge on the charge sheet were listed as "disorderly conduct" this arrest will be okay. The police cannot define discussing the deity of Jesus Christ calmly with a group of Muslims on a public street as "disorderly conduct" and arrest people. In fact, disorderly conduct laws have to be sufficiently restricted in scope and application that they do not violate the First Amendment's protections of freedom of speech, religion, and assembly. Moreover, courts have made it clear that people have to have reason to know in advance that their actions violate the law. "Disorderly conduct" isn't just "anything the police decide on the spur of the moment that they don't want you to do." The same is true of "disturbing the peace," which is sometimes considered a sub-category of "disorderly conduct."
On another topic:
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firstname.lastname@example.com - July 17, 2010 at 7:00 PM
- Aaron Snell said...
63 comments and (aside from Lupus' non-criticism) not a critic in sight. Interesting.
- July 17, 2010 at 7:10 PM
- Anthony Rogers said...
No, you aren't the only one, but why take comfort in that since all the others seem to have retreated back to Deerbornistan? - July 17, 2010 at 7:27 PM
- debecker said...
Wow, how dare you talk about Jesus' love and divinity on the free streets of America! How dare you answer the questions asked of you by an audience that really seems to want to hear. You can't do that here. ( please "read in" the sarcasm )
Oh wait, I guess you really can't in Dearborn Michigan. - July 17, 2010 at 7:29 PM
- GBowling said...
Shouldn't those in the crowd who were becoming agitated and cursing (according to the police report) have been the ones arrested instead of the Christians who were speaking peacefully??? They would have been the disorderly ones trying to incite a riot.Nabeel was being very calm in his demeanor.This arrest would be like me arresting someone because they were discussing politics in a public park and a crowd began to gather around them and ask questions.Arrest the agitators (which I did not see until after the arrest in the crowd) not the peaceful people dialoguing.
I am glad you guys handled the arrest on the scene peacefully and with humility.The court room is the place to dispute the arrest and win the battle not on the scene.That usually only makes matters worse.Nabeel's demeanor prior to and through the arrest strengthens an already strong case in favor of all of you. - July 17, 2010 at 7:30 PM
- GreekAsianPanda said...
I dare any Muslim to watch that video and still say with a straight face that these guys deserved to be arrested. I just don't understand this.
God bless you, brothers. - July 17, 2010 at 7:44 PM
- Rafik Responde ao Isla said...
Dear brothers and sisters
I believe that God wants to use this TRIAL to prepare AMERICA Christians for the worse.
This TRIAL will open LOTS OF PRECEDENTS ... It might be the END of Sharia in America or the START for all Muslims to legally harass Christians.
Dear David and Nabeel - WE ALL were arrested with you this year and WE will be in Dearborn NEXT YEAR TO BE ARRESTED WITH YOU AGAIN ....
Blessings and take courage ... - July 17, 2010 at 8:10 PM
- Traeh said...
Chad Groenhout,
Sorry if I wasn't clear... - July 17, 2010 at 9:10 PM
- el Lobo said...
Lydia McGrew, ok so disturbing the peace is a sub-category of disorderly conduct. I didn't know that. So I wasn't that way off when asking whether they were arrested for disorderly conduct. The thing with these kind of laws is that they are quite wide and subject to the arresting officer's judgement of the situation. Moreover, it's a misdeamenor and as such having now viewed the videos i think the police did the right thing (according to the specific charge).
Have any of you actually read what actions are covered by the law?
Are you questioning the law or the police officer's interpretation of the law? - July 18, 2010 at 8:16 AM
- Chad Groenhout said...
"Moreover, it's a misdeamenor and as such having now viewed the videos i think the police did the right thing (according to the specific charge)."
It seems like you are not even watching the videos.
How in the world did you come to this conclusion? Please enlighten us. - July 18, 2010 at 1:51 PM
- The Berean Search said...
Do you care to explain how a peaceful conversation constitutes "breach of peace"?...especially in light of the video evidence that has now been posted which shows Acts17 directly asking the police if they need to move their conversation, and the police telling them they are fine where they are. - July 18, 2010 at 3:12 PM
- Fayez Roumieh said...
To Joe,
Please read about Islam well before you say whatever. Islam emancipated human being. You do not enjoy the taste of Islam unless you are Muslem. Try to be a Muslem for one day only. The hate speech in some of the comments, means only one thing: the giant propaganiste of media in USA is able to twist the truth. And guess who own this media. By the way I swear to Allah that I sympathize with the American who hate Islam and Muslems, because they are simply victims of this propaganda.
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