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If you live in Orange County and are a music lover chances are you've been to Original Mike's. We're proud to be collaborating with our good friends the Funk Freaks to bring you another edition of Dia De Los Discos on Saturday November 4th! Original Mike's has had some legendary artists perform in the past such as:
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Since it's still black history month which also encompasses J Dilla celebrations all over the world, we at Beat Swap Meet bring you 5 most slept on Jay Dee remixes. Jay Dee (1972-2006) aka James Dewitt Yancey aka J Dilla was a tremendously skilled and highly regarded artist known for his signature production style and rugged vocal flow. Dilla was known to place his magic touch on fellow artists recordings in the form of remixes.
Jay Dee was part of seminal Detroit, Michigan Hip Hop group Slum Village. His musical influence became quite evident as his reach and visibility started to grow steadily as his group gained prominence around the turn of the century. Dilla's work with production super group the Ummah further spiked demand for that Dilla touch on artist tracks regardless of genre.
Jay Dee's catalog is far too deep to attempt a "top 5" approach to this blog. There are plenty of well known Dilla joints that he hooked up for associated acts, so we bring you 5 most slept on Jay Dee remixes:
1. Busta Rhymes – Woo-hah (got you all in check). The original gets bumped on the regular. But this Dilla remix has that head nod shit that make you break your neck just as much as the original mix.
2. The Pharcyde – She Said. Again the original mix is dope, no question. The Jay Dee remix that accompanies a completely different video for "She Said" with Imani, Bootie Brown, Fat Lip, and Slim Kid3 wildin out in Amsterdam fits the mood of the visuals like a glove. Smoother than the Pharcyde's game to all the Dutch girls.
3. Keith Murray – The Rhyme. That undeniable Jay Dee snare cutting through the mix like a Detroit steel katana backs up Mr. Murray as he keeps it "jiggy." Is that a piece of Bob James Nautilus I hear in the hook?
4. Mary J. Blige – Ooh. Mary J just sounds so good on this Dilla beat. Smooth roughness as expected.
5. Jamiroquai – Black Capricorn Day. Can't front, I slept hard on this like a brick futon. Would love an instrumental of this Dilla joint tho. Unofficially released on vinyl, this Slum Village/Jamiroquai 12″ record would be quite the find at Beat Swap Meet.
So it's been a week since the release of the new album by XL Middleton and Eddy Funkster. If you have not copped it yet you are seriously sleeping. The homie XL was gracious enough to bless me with a copy. MoFunk Records is killing the game right now in the modern funk scene. They are starting to really develop their own signature sound and this album is no exception. It's a family affair because pretty much everybody on the label is on the album in one way or another. The first track is appropriately titled "Mofunk Anthem." It features Moniquea and Diamond Ortiz. If you have ever been to a MoFunk show you have definitely heard this song. It is an anthem. "Show Some Respect" is an electro funk slapper sure to raise elbows up at any place it is bumped. Another great track is "California Fly." It's an homage to classic 90's g-funk shit in the LBC. It even features 90's rapper Domino. Yes, that Domino. Overall the album is solid. If you enjoy electro funk with a 90's g-funk twist and lowrider vibe you will enjoy it. For more information about MoFunk Records and to purchase the album click here.
Some music fans gets tattoos of their favorite band. Some name their kids after them. Some stalk them. To each their own right? But some dude in Florida who is a fan of the German electronic pioneers Kraftwerk legally changed his name. To Kraftwerk. He even documented the whole thing on flickr. So next time you hear somebody say they are the biggest Kraftwerk fan tell them about this guy: Kraftwerk.
Orange County loves their funk. Serio. If you cruise down the streets of Santa Ana chances are you will hear some boogie funk slappers bumping hard. New labels like MoFunk Records, Voltaire Records, Omega Supreme, etc. are keeping the modern funk movement alive and well. These labels have funk pioneer legends like Cameo, the Bar-Kays, Midnight Star, One Way, and Ozone to thank for paving the way. If you are not familiar with these groups you definitely are familiar with their songs. Cameo's most famous are 'Word Up" and "Candy", Midnight Star told you not to park on the dance floor, and One Way's "Cutie Pie" still gets the dance floor going. If you live in Southern California you can see all these groups together at the Orange County Funk Fest at the Anaheim Convention Center, along with the "Stone City Band", "Slap-Bak", and DJ OmarGod. Curious Entertainment is throwing the event. Tickets were sold out, but as of this writing they have an additional 100 tickets for $40 each left. If you love funk you definitely do not want to miss out. It all goes down Saturday, July 23rd. Just remember no parking on the dance floor.
There probably isn't one vinyl night, b-boy competition or backyard party in Southern California that hasn't felt the influence of Technics Repair Guru Abel Sisneros. Although being an accomplished and well known DJ and 45 collector, Abel has for the past 15 years been the go-to turntable repair person for those in the know.
Technics updated the SL-1200 in 1979 and gave the world the SL-1200mk 2. The redesigned turntable simplified and tactile controls and high torque direct drive motor not only allowed quick starts and stops, but eventually led DJ's to start using them like musical instruments. From then until the present day, 36 long years later, Technics turntables have reigned supreme the world over for professional and amateur DJ's alike and remained the only constant in the ever-evolving DJ booth.
But over time all things things breakdown. Switches wear, cords get pulled, beer gets spilled, decks change hands etc.
This is where a guy like Abel comes in, and why so many have relied on his expertise to keep the party going. Venues like the Echo, The Observatory , The House of Blues and Dublab have had him looking after their DJ booths, to make sure the music never stops.
Chances are pretty good that if you've ever done a DJ set in the LA or OC area, you most likely played a set on DJ Abel maintained set of SL-1200's! For more information about getting your decks repaired or to schedule an appointment you can contact Abel at: https://www.facebook.com/DjAbel
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Stoner alert. Have you tried syncing the Wizard of Oz with Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon? Of course you have. Well now apparently you can add another movie to the list: Star Wars: The Force Awakens. According to an article on consequence of sound, "Apparently, three replays of Dark Side of the Moon in its entirety becomes the perfect soundtrack for Star Wars: The Force Awakens. According to Reddit, pressing play as the film's opening scroll ends and the camera pans to the spaceship starts a synchronization that almost lines up perfectly with each act in the movie." Click here for the entire article as well as more spoiler alerts. Here's a clip of the first 8 minutes synced below. Blaze it up and enjoy.
Every time I travel with records I get stopped by the TSA. Every time. Some of the younger TSA agents have never seen records before so they have no idea what they are looking at in the x-ray scan. Thank goodness for 45s because they make it mad easier to travel. No DJ wants to check in their record bag if they don't have to. Too many variables. I've heard heart breaking stories about records lost, damaged or stolen. I have the same bag I use when I travel for records that is the perfect size and can fit under the seat. Apparently RJD2 has the same routine when it comes to traveling records but went through some drama recently. According to an article on Vice he was nearly kicked off his flight over an argument over his carry on bag with his records. He was told his his bag was too big and he had to check it in. He then went to twitter:
But in the end everything worked out.
The end.
The Pasadena City College Flea Market hosts one of So Cal's longest running and well stocked record swaps. Every first Sunday, in addition to roaming the flea market for clothes, toys, furniture, and more, you can explore the crates of over 50 vendors, selling vinyl and other used music mediums. PCC is an awesome place to get your collection started or possibly find that one gem you've been searching for, with numerous genres of music being sold, from punk to hip hop.
Tucked away on the east side of the city of Pasadena, the PCC Record Swap was originally a record club held at the Capitol Records building in the 1970's. Once the city found out about it and wanted to require licenses for all the vendors, the promoters moved the show to Pasadena City College, where it's built a following over the years.
Robert of Zoinks Records in Pomona sells at PCC every Month. "I like the fact that people that didn't go to shop for records often end up shopping at our space." Armand Lewis, a jazz record dealer for over 25 years at PCC, had the same sentiment. "…young, old, you name it, they've shown up there. I've made lot of friends as well as learned a lot about music, the music business and business itself. You can't ask for a better way to spend your day."
The PCC Flea Market Record Swap returns Sunday, April 3rd, and every First Sunday of the Month. Check out this great video blog on the PCC record swap: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsYRieQMZyo
-Frank Foreal
For a little over a year now, you can stop by The Regent Theater in Downtown LA (a recently renovated space on main street, bordering the bank & toy districts) on 1st Sundays of the month, and find some amazing collectible items to further up your décor level at home, music on your turntable, or threads on your back.
It's the Rock 'N' Roll Flea Market, and it boasts anything from vinyl records in various genres to musical instruments (still thinking of taking up guitar?). You can also find vintage clothing and jewelry to round out your shopping for the weekend. Not in the shopping mood? RNR Flea has 2 full bars, DJ's spinning all day, and even a really fun "boozy brunch bingo," where you can eat and drink while battling it out for some concert ticket prizes (I won tix to see Nightmares on Wax back in October, so clearly anyone can win)!
Mike Andrews, one of the organizers of the RNR Flea Market (and co-owner of the gift & design shop, Inheritance) said "We have had vendors selling weed smoking dinosaur coloring books and articulated brass bird skulls," when asked what were a few bizarre items he's seen for sale, so if you're looking for unique items to add to your collection, this is a great spot for that. Some vendors include Bunny and Wolf out of Long Beach, who sell vintage clothing, LA LA Land Prints, who specialize in concert posters, Cowpunk Leather, and more.
The next Rock 'N' Roll Flea Market takes place on Sunday, April 3rd at The Regent Theater in Downtown LA. More info is available at their website: www.rnrflea.com
-Frank ForealClose
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Saturday, November 15, 2008
1984-85 layouts - Lynne Naylor Jetsons Crowds
She designed all the characters too and made each one different. Not only that, they all have slightly different poses, yet all their poses balance well against each other.
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I could stare at these drawings for hours. Every litle detail, each leg, belly, face has such unique and subtle stylish shapes.
This is great cartooning and thinking. She not only captured Ed Benedict's style; she added a lot of her own style to it - she brought that kind of cute appeal that only girls seem to be able to do.
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Even her actions really fit within the Hanna Barbera style but come off as lively and fun. And in the 1980s!...the era of "don't dare have fun making cartoons".
These scenes show a lot more than mere raw talent, which Lynne has a ton of. They show knowledge, skill and a great deal of thought and planning. To be able to combine so much control and and so many elements, yet still have it come off as so light and fun and easy is pretty monumental.
I'm envy work like this.
Lately I've been a bit down because every year the whole idea of control, fun and skill seems to vanish further into the past. It gets harder to produce the simplest cartoons. When I dug these up the other day, I couldn't believe what was being done in the 80s - under the worst possible conditions. We should be much furher than this by today, but it doesn't look like control or clarity is ever coming back - let alone appeal.
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- Hans Flagon said...
Thats sounds like it might have been a writer driven show to some degree, rather than animator driven, with the easily tossed in script line, "Huge Crowd forms" without the thought that someone would have to draw and animate that crowd.
Seems like classic Flintstones episodes a crowd would have been represented by 3 to five people.
Who called for the crowd, John?
- oppo said...
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- Mattieshoe said...
Well, Shows like "The Mighty B" and the upcoming "Gorge Liquor Program" do give me hope for a better tomorrow.
Warner Brothers animation is bringing Bugs Bunny back into their logo http://www.cartoonbrew.com/old-brew/new-warner-bros-animation-logo (of course, he DOES look like some modern artist's bad impression of what the "Classic" style is.)
But there's something in the air lately. The new president, Shows like "Mighty B" and even "Flapjack" bringing visual fun and invention back into the minds of Cartoonists and, to a lesser, more naive extent, executives.
I feel like we're starting another slight upward spiral that might turn into something like the 90s Animation boom in the next 3 or so years.
- Mattieshoe said...
>>And it seems a real shame that there are only about two or three competent animated projects out there, and even those are not 3/4 as good as the ones 5 years ago, and even those aren't even 3/4 of what was going on 10 years ago, and so on.<<
Well, I don't think it's true that things have been getting nothing but worse since the mid 60s.
there were times when Clarity, Logic and fun seemed to be all but thriving again.
I don't know if I'm being superstitious here, but if you look back, you'll see that the most innovative and progressive times in American history (That includes cartoons) have all been eras of Democratic rule. (1933-1953, or even 1993-1996)
true, the late 70s had a Democrat, but by that time, things had gotten so horrible that nothing would be able to fix our country.
- Whit said...
Forget the U.S. economy. The animation industry needs its own F.D.R.
- :: smo :: said...
i used to watch this cartoon. it made me really like the jetsons.
these crowds are intense! crowd scenes ARE hard. it must be great working on something where you get to have FUN designing the characters for these! it's so much harder dealing with a crappy starting point and having to make more crap. starting with the jetsons is a really exciting prospect!
one of the issues i had growing up with this era of cartoons though [not with the jetsons per se, but more the cartoons mimicing it] was that cartoon characters were either made of concrete or mush. things like a pup named scooby doo that took a number from this would just slide around and there felt like there was zero weight or form. then other cartoons were so stiff it was almost painful.
i like my cartoons cartoony, and i enjoy off model characters, but i don't like watching characters constantly morph and float and slide and bounce. over animating and over wonkyness are *almost* as bad as under animating. it's weird. i feel like if there were dynamic designs at play in this cartoon, the characters still felt grounded and solid.
i really loved this cartoon though, it was definitely a light in the darkness, and being a kid at the time i was getting this and the classic jetsons at the same time. it was really cool and even when i was little i definitely noticed there were more things at play here than in a lot of the older jetsons, which was really cool. more dynamic crowds, more fun animation, etc. i think i may even have more childhood memories of this than of the original which is crazy!
i also really liked the interactions between rudy and george! i can't remember anything in particular now but i remember rudy's weird voice really well.
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- :: smo :: said...
"Forget the U.S. economy. The animation industry needs its own F.D.R."
yeah Whit...or a John K, a Ralph Bakshi, or a Richard Williams!
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- BlackCrow said...
Now that's the way to handle crowd scenes!!
I wonder how differently the crowd was coloured compared to the main characters in the shot.
Thanks John for posting these.
I'm sad too with the way animation is going. I was lucky to have the opportunity to work at Hanna's in Sydney with some great animators and even got to meet and party with Bill Hanna!
Now I work on a computer all day the only joy being reading your post while the bosses are out!
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- JohnK said...
Can we get off this Animaniacs crap?
You're scaring away serious cartoon lovers
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- Rudy Tenebre said...
Keep fightin' the good fight, pops.
- Hernán G. Fuentealba said...
I think thwt what you where expresing was admiration not envy , but whatever...because envy means a hatred toward the other , based on the fact that other has something you dont , and admiration means to enjoy something that the other have got ,or do.
admiration is productive, envy is destructive.
- HemlockMan said...
Sorry to hear that you're so despondent over the industry. That seems to be the way of most of the visual entertainment industry.
I have a lot of friends who either are, or were comic book artists. Some of them have completely abandoned comics for many of the reasons you mention in relation to animated cartoons.
- Mattieshoe said...
John, what DO you think of "The Mighty Bee!"?
It's Written by "Sketch Comics" like Animaniacs was, so is the writing just too bad to overlook?
Well, if you muster up the strength to watch an episode or two anyway, I think you'll find that some of the more recent episodes have a level of visual imagination that might rival that of some (SOME!) Ren and Stimpy shorts. Too bad the timing, pacing, and voice acting still suffer from some of the same problems that have plagued the industry for about 12 years, and the same meaningless cliques that started with "Fairly Odd Parents"
Really, really nice drawings.
I'm a huge fan of looking at and drawing crowd scenes, actually. This grew from my love of the work of Jack Davis - you want to be floored by a crowd scene, take a long look at Jack's work.
He did some backgrounds for Little Annie Fannie that kill me.
Another great artist to look at is Ruebens. I don't know how he constructed such fluid, clear compositions.
I concur with what others have said- it's sad to hear about the animation industry. I work mainly as an editorial illustrator, and it's been dead for a while now. Very frustrating... not only in the lack of work, but in the current trends towards these horribly executed collage/Photshop illustrations. All you need to do is run 2 Photoshop filters on a photo and add some neon colors, and suddenly your illo's on the cover of TIME magazine... sigh.
Flash seems to be the Photoshop of the animation world.... I dig Flash, but man, the squash and stretch is nowhere to be seen in it.
- Mr. Semaj said...
I don't know if I'm being superstitious here, but if you look back, you'll see that the most innovative and progressive times in American history (That includes cartoons) have all been eras of Democratic rule.
Cartoons must have missed the boat during the 60's, but you do have a good point.
Following this past Election, maybe some of today's cartoons will finally kick the Bush-bashing habit and focus on better things.
- BadIdeaSociety said...
Can we get off this Animaniacs crap?
Agreed. I would credit the WB studios for the continued deterioration of their classic material. Their game plan for success seems to be running a comic book series, a horrific homage to their golden era (Tiny Toons, Animaniacs, Pinky & The Brain, Sylvester & Tweety Mysteries, Baby Looney Tunes, etc), and some other rubbish (Earthworm Jim, Freakazoid, etc.) then praying for a hit.
I will give the 80-era Jetsons credit, even now, I have a rather difficult time dating the episodes. I know the older episodes have the sequence with George walking Astro on the treadmill and the 80s-era ones have the basic placards... and of course, Orbity. But, I'll give the crew credit, there isn't a lot of rubbish updating (or rather, dating) in the series.
The one question that is stuck in my mind about your material, John, however, is if George Liquor is timeless or, rather, an isolate of its own era (the early 90s).
These layouts are wonderful. This Lynne Naylor gal must have been something to work with, no?
I can tell that I have a lot to live up to, so I can only work hard to achieve such a level.
Anyway thank you for sharing these, Mr. Kricfalusi!
Have a good one, and I hope your feeling better.
From an aspiring animator/ artist
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- JohnK said...
>>I will give the 80-era Jetsons credit, even now, I have a rather difficult time dating the episodes.<<
actually there were episodes being made by at least 3 crews, one in spain, one in argentina and the one Lynne and I worked on in Taipei. We only did about 15 episodes and they look totally different than the other ones being done in other countries.
I actually got a lecture from someone at HB to not try to improve the episodes. Otherwise the others might look bad by comparison. They were big on "consistency" in the 80s. You couldn't ever evolve or improve anything because if others didn't then the episodes would not be equally bad.They also thought that kids would notice the differences and be mad.
I had to get Bill Hanna on my side to allow me to make our episodes different (meaning more like the originals).
I convinced him by asking him if Tom and Jerry looked the same in all the episodes, or if they lived in the exact same house with the same furniture every time. He said "Goddamnit, you got a good point there! We just did what we thought worked and changed all the time! Then he yelled at he guy who was arguing with me and told me to keep doing what I was doing.
- Elana Pritchard said...
don't be sad! I know I am at the very beginning of all this stuff (sometimes it even seems like i'm further back than that) but i promise you i will work very hard at being a better cartoonist, and i won't be lazy, and i definitely won't be boring- just know that for whatever it's worth!
- Niki said...
Well I'll be animation's WWII!
And Mr. John, there is a girl on the fourth picture, second from the left on top (she has curly hair)she looks really nice. I really hope I can learn to make these kind of crowds someday. I tried alot when I was younger but I always messed up, do you know how she learned these?
- Raff said...
>> Lately I've been a bit down because every year the whole idea of control, fun and skill seems to vanish further into the past. <<
Aren't you working on a cartoon right now with your own hand-picked team who agrees with you artistically?
P.S. does Lynne naylor have a blog or website?
P.P.S.: >> Ralph Bakshi was Hitler.<<
The cat's name was Fritz. Fluke?
- Niki said...
Oh Mr.John!
I found this and I like it!
I can't say on the animation cause I don't really know yet but it shows that they were trying.
- The Butcher said...
This stuff doesn't even really look "off model" like you've been accused of. I remember watching this as a kid and I could tell they were newer episodes, but I didn't realize it was a completely new series.
- BadIdeaSociety said...
I hope you know that you're really contradicting yourself there.
I certainly am not. My point is that the WB has been following the same bland path since 92. It might help their financial overview, but I haven't smiled at new WB cartoons since Roger Rabbit... (and I know it was a Disney production).
The Earthworm Jim thing is more, or less, an error in understanding the branding of the series (I was fully aware of the video game).
actually there were episodes being made by at least 3 crews, one in spain, one in argentina and the one Lynne and I worked on in Taipei. We only did about 15 episodes and they look totally different than the other ones being done in other countries.
I'd be interested in comparing the shows.
Were you responsible for "Robot's Revenge" episode?
- trevor thompson said...
Wow, John.
That's kind of a downer.
- trevor.
- nagyaron said...
yep. Lynne Naylor does have her own website. Better take a look at it!!!
- Colter said...
I completely agree things have gone down the tubes for the cartoon industry, but despite all of that I (and probably 80% of the people that blog here) would still enjoy a full time job doing this, no matter how crappy the cartoon is.
We'd just like to work full time in a studio using our talents in some way, and get paid for it. The other stuff, and working to change the industry can be done on the side in personal projects.
I'm envious of the people that have work/worked in a studio full time enough to complain about it and have some substance to back it up.
- smackmonkey said...
"Animation already had its FDR. That was Filmation. Ralph Bakshi was Hitler.
(Meaning that WW2 did more more the economy than FDR did.)"
Wrong. WWII put the brakes on the growing economy big time. Check the U.S. economic growth rates for the decade leading up the war with those during the war. We ran up tons of debt that took most of the 1950's to undo. You must be an animation exec the way you rewrite history.
John - The wheels of time grind more slowly than we might wish. Though few of us live long enough to see how our efforts help shape the world, rest assured that your tireless mission to save an entire art form has not been without merit.
From the black days of 70's and 80's hackimation to the supernova that was Ren & Stimpy and now with this blog, many (including myself) have been inspired and benefitted from your presence within the animation community. Remember: From the seed grows the tree. On this site I have witnessed the fostering of new standard bearers and I still expect great things from you in the future. Hang in there , baby. Your pal - Smackmonkey.
- John A said...
I could never get through an entire episode of the new Jetsons. As soon that damned Orbity would show up I'd turn it off. (who's idiotic idea was THAT?) The family already HAS a pet- His name's Astro.
- trevor thompson said...
The other stuff, and working to change the industry can be done on the side in personal projects.
I wonder how true that is.
Because, statistically, there have got to be more enlightened people than just the Spumco crowd, and we've all seen their side projects ( not on television, of course ).
I'm of the skeptical opinion that even if ten different animation teams made ten outside projects that did everything classic cartoons did well with the advantage of modern technology, I bet only one would get bought, and then it would die in developmental death.
I'm working on a puppet / cartoon show to pitch to Cartoon Network when I get to LA, and I'm already prepared for the neigh-sayer notes coming my way. It seems like there's a conspiracy throughout the industry to purposely lower the standards systematically thereby making anything unique appear so foreign that new audiences don't understand and therefore hate it.
John's right. What's the point?
- trevor.
PS: Good story about Bill, btw John!
- ari said...
think it would be sweet to have a post on what your perfect modern cartoon set up would be. with character design reference and colour palettes the whole deal as so we can take your awesome fondations steal them and make our own cartoons
- Fabian Gordillo said...
GUUUUUAUUUUU!!!!!! sencillamente genial, altamente inspirador.
- Bobby Bickert said...
"I will give the 80-era Jetsons credit, even now I have a rather difficult time dating the episodes. I know the older episodes have the sequence with George walking Astro on the treadmill and the 80's-era ones have the basic placards...and of course, Orbity."
The colors are brighter in the newer episodes, and the ink lines aren't as thick as the ones in the original episodes. Also, Jane doesn't wear bracelets in the newer episodes.
I had nearly lost hope for animation until Mighty B and Flapjack came onto the scene.
They embody all that is awesome about animation and what's been lacking in the animation of today. I've missed the fluidity and well timed humor that was in cartoons from the 90's. And I've really missed those gross out cut scenes they always showed in cartoons like Rocko's Modern Life and Ren & Stimpy.
Another show I enjoy is Chowder, although I think it has a few kinks in it that it's yet to master. But hopefully it will improve in later seasons.
- PCUnfunny said...
Nice to see Naylor's stuff. At least she got to shine a little bit in her pre-Spumco days.
OT: I was watching an episode of Animaniacs with my friend a few days ago. It was called "Slappy Goes Walnuts", it's always painful to hear Sherri Stoner's grating voice. Anywho, they so ripped off your work John. Long story short, the other Squirrel Slappy was screwing with became crazy, the first sign of a rip off. She barricated her self during the winter in her tree and when she saw Santa in her fireplace, they ripped off your classic painted reaction shot. Of course it was a thousand times worse because I bet you a million bucks the stupid writer's script must have said "ala Ren and Stimpy". God that show sucks.
- PCUnfunny said...
"We ran up tons of debt that took most of the 1950's to undo"
That is 100% true. FACT: The US economy went into a resecession after WWII ended. That's all out of me.
- John Pannozzi said...
"Though, I wish I could see the designs that Lynne Naylor created for the show. And the ones by Dan Haskett and Ken Boyer."
You can find some of them at
"She barricated her self during the winter in her tree and when she saw Santa in her fireplace, they ripped off your classic painted reaction shot"
To be fair though, there was a scene in a Tiny Toons episode (which was storyboarded by Bruce Timm, BTW) that used a pianting of Elmyra's face for one shot, and this was BEFORE Ren & Stimpy.
I'll shut up about these shows now.
- Brubaker said...
"Another show I enjoy is Chowder, although I think it has a few kinks in it that it's yet to master. But hopefully it will improve in later seasons."
Funny you brought up Chowder on this post. Lynne Naylor is the art director for the show (starting with episode #17)
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- Pokey said...
Here's another piece of malarkey, not personally e-mailed to me, from a youTube user on an 80s cartoon entry.
1 month ago 2 My God, the 80s really had the best cartoons. And we actually played outside and weren't on the internet or cell-phones... no wonder kids today are so behind in school and general learning. he 80s and early 90s were really the last eras of quality youth where kids were really kids and cartoons were actually drawn by hand!"
LOL!!! Hand drawn animaiton gave us Elvis worshiping shit like Lilo & Stitcvh and those eighties show.s and if you're tired of the internet,m DON'T go ON! [Note my tactfulness in not repeating the troll's name.:)]
As for cartoons under Democrat rule, well, Bugs Bunny Nips the Nips and others during WWII, again, even with President FDR being Democrat,m even too liberal aka Hilary Clinton for that time, with FDR's "Day of Infamy" declaration* all of that seemed positively conservative and Republican today! I mean, can ya imagine even in post Sept.11 era somebody getting away with an animated cartoon that racially makes fun of the enemy [and I actually in 1976 saw that "Nips" shorts on TV!].
*"Day of Infamy" legendary Pearl Harbor declaration: Come on, would CLINTON or OBAMA say the same thing? Of course 9/11 happened under Bush, and whatever you think, he declared war--still Clinton as a politican and as a then-desposed EIGHT TERM president [as W. Bush himself was] had the oppurtnity to say 9/11 was a sad day, even if his equally malinged conservative counterpart "Dubya" was now the chief of the country.
- rodineisilveira said...
Johnny K.,
I was seeing the layouts which Lynne Naylor drew for the Jetsons 80s version - more exactly these ones, which involve crowds -, and I could notice that she's a mistress in drawing crowds, so as another Hanna-Barbera layout artist who also was master in drawing crowds: Walter Clinton.


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Everyone has an irrepressible rightto follow his or her desiresand enjoy to the fullest the lifethat he or she is given.Let no one be denied the rightful honor and reverencedue a blessed incarnation of the Living God.If the above were taken out along with the latter verses about unrealistic communal living it wouldn't be that bad of a belief system.People have every right to follow their desires but only to the extent that those desires do not trample upon the desires of others. As written, it allows for believers to do absolutly anything they desire (other than kill).
Final question, McCrady,:Do you actually believe in this stuff, or do you just present this as an alternative to try to make Christianity look stupid? (Real question, no disrepect intended)
Hellbore, here's a moral dilema for you. 3 people are walking on a train track in a tunnel, a train is coming. There is a switch to put the train on an alternate track, where one person is. No cop outs, would you pull the switch? Kill one to save three? I don't claim any great understanding of God, but maybe he was doing the equivilent on a larger scale. Sacrifice one to save 10, or a hundred thousand to save a million. Or one to save the entire earth.
But when God comes, and if he doesn't we'll never know it, there's going to be a judgement.
It's going to be us asking God "What were you thinking?" And God's going to have to give an account for his actions. So I'll reserve passing judgement until I can ask him face to face. To me, Jesus gained enough credibility through his actions, actions mind you, that I'm willing to give God a chance to explain for himself.
John, that's, sad. I sincerely hope you can find a way to love people. I completely agree that you don't have to be a christian to love. That's why it's such a good way to communicate, everyone understands love to some degree. I have no notion of "proving" christianity. Proof applies to scientific disiplines, religion is a philosophy. So anyone who says they can "prove" God exists is a little bit silly. John, I'll be praying that you encounter someone who can show you pure, selfless, love, and that it ignites in you a passion to show other people that same love.
Krypt, you're absolutly right. When I started to really buckle down and figure out just exactly what I believed, still ongoing, I started reading the bible and taking all those good bits and putting them together. The more bits I had, the more I saw Jesus. The reason I trust God is because Jesus trusted him 100%, devoted his life to doing God's will, and he was a pretty darn nice guy.
Read what God says about Intellectual logic:"As the Scriptures say, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise and discard the intelligence of the intelligent."So where does this leave the philosophers, the scholars, and the world's brilliant debaters? God has made the wisdom of this world look foolish. Since God in his wisdom saw to it that the world would never know him through human wisdom, he has used our foolish preaching to save those who believe. It is foolish to the Jews, who ask for signs from heaven. And it is foolish to the Greeks, who seek human wisdom. So when we preach that Christ was crucified, the Jews are offended and the Gentiles say it's all nonsense." 1 Corinthians 1:19-22God wants you to believe what He says, not use logic (human wisdom) in believing what He says.
>snip<[The] use of "evening and morning" in that order is significant. As each day's work was accomplished during the "light," there was a cessation of God's activity during the "darkness." Consequently, there was nothing to report between evening and morning." The beginning of the next day's activity began with the next period of light, after the "morning," or better, "dawning." The literal sense of the formula after each day's work is: "Then there was dusk, then dawn, ending the first day."
Gen 1:16-18These stars were scattered in tremendous numbers throughout the infinite recesses of the heavens (note Isaiah 55:9). The light energy emanating from them would henceforth traverse space to "give light on the earth," providing patterns and movements which would also enable man to keep records of time and history.
In order to serve these purposes, however, light energy trails would need to be established already in place in space between each star and earth. Thus, men would have been able to see stars billions of light-years away at the very moment of their formation, in accordance with the principle of mature creation, or creation of apparent age.
A person will not hit themselves on the head with a hammer, because it hurts.An enlightened being will not hit someone else on the head with a hammer, for the same reason.
Quote from: kcrady[Darius, please stow the veiled threats. A threat is only as good as the entity making it. If your God wants to intimidate us into worshipping him by threatening to torture us after we die if we don't, he'd have a better shot at it if he came out of hiding and showed us all what a stupendous badass he is. Hi kcrady,Just saw your next post, not a veiled threat but a sincere question. I'm sure you have all already been told that Christians believe in Eternity in fellowship with Christ, and the lake of fire as the only final destinations.The point I was making is if you don't know where you are going, why not?I know where I am going, I'm making the point that anyone who does not know the creator cannot know where they are going because they have never been past death, and they don't know the only one who can tell them.If I was here to preach hellfire & brimstone to the wicked sinners I could, but I sympathise with people who don't know God because I remember when I didn't and a lot of people I spoke to didn't make it clear, so I want to give a guide as how to seek God and meet with Him for real, for those who want to.
[Darius, please stow the veiled threats. A threat is only as good as the entity making it. If your God wants to intimidate us into worshipping him by threatening to torture us after we die if we don't, he'd have a better shot at it if he came out of hiding and showed us all what a stupendous badass he is.
Hello Robert... How are you? I hope you and your loved ones had a Happy Thanksgiving. And i'm not saying that because I think the U.S. is the center of the Universe either, despite Star Stuff's uncalled for remark. If you are not from the U.S.... then please accept my comment as a gesture in the spirit it was given... that is a spirit of good will with the assumption that all of us, no matter where we are born, have something to be greatly thankful for.
I'm not sure I know of any well-respected Christian Thinker or philosopher or Apologist or Logician who would say that "let there be light" is a statement of the Big Bang Theory.
I believe it can be reasonably argued that the eventual elimination of slavery from civilized nations had to start somewhere in history. And the Mosaic Laws are absolutely the earliest documents we have of a nation or a large group of people who started the long and difficult process of stopping and reversing and overcoming strongly held beliefs that had been established and accepted in the hearts and minds of people who for many years were used to thinking a certain way.
And when we finally come upon the time of Jesus, we see that the most advanced civilizations at the time, the Romans and the Greeks, are still deeply steeped in slavery, whereas the people from whom the Mosaic Laws came from, had no slaves.
There might have been some secular Jews who did not believe in a God who may have had some slaves (but I'm not aware of any),
but there certainly were no slaves among the devout Jews who revered Moses and believed in the God of Abraham.
And then we see the process which began with the Mosaic Laws, the ripple effect among the Jewish people, we see that same process repeating itself first with the Apostles telling the gentiles among them to start treating their slaves more humanely... then secondly among other gentiles in other countries when Christians were forced to scatter all over the world thru persecution.
And as for your other statement:"The abolition starts at the end of the 18th Century because people start to ignore the Mosaic laws and instead work on the idea of government by consent (see the US Constitution)."I find that interesting for a couple of reasons. First, it was the U.S. Constitution which held that blacks were only 2/3 human...
Quote from: kcradyJiG:As my reply above shows, your poem is a classic example of the Christian Epistemological1 Double Standard. Obviously, you would never accept a belief in Zeus by reading my poem. Yet, you seriously expect the same poem (with your God left where Zeus has been inserted) to motivate people to accept your religion. Why should I give Christianity, and only Christianity this sort of "free pass?" Becuase 1 faith is true, the other is a lie:
JiG:As my reply above shows, your poem is a classic example of the Christian Epistemological1 Double Standard. Obviously, you would never accept a belief in Zeus by reading my poem. Yet, you seriously expect the same poem (with your God left where Zeus has been inserted) to motivate people to accept your religion. Why should I give Christianity, and only Christianity this sort of "free pass?"
I keep getting thrown for a loop here because much of the discussion about the existence or not of "God" seems to be tied to arguments about the bible. Are we discussing the existence of any type of supreme being? Are we discussing the existence of the Christian god? Or are we discussing the accuracy of a book? I personally would like to see a more focused discussion on a specific topic.The problem I have with some of the atheist posts I have been reading here is the same problem I have with Richard Dawkins. You posit your definition of God and then set about "proving" that the god in your definition cannot logically exist and therefore NO god can exist. This seems a little unfair to theists. Why not take THEIR definition of their god and disprove it?The Christians have the opposite problem. They attack scientific theory and state, "because I prove your theory wrong, it means that MY god must exist." I have a lot more trouble with Christian arguments in general because they have a tendency to invoke the "god's will" excuse every time they get to a corner. ...and they have a tendency to use questionable logic and philosophical truisms in their arguments. But I most specifically have a problem with the fact that they think that if there is A god it must be the one they talk about in the bible.I find both premises to be flawed. How about narrowing the topics and responses to more focused areas where it can be determined whether or not there is a basis for discussion or whether all parties are so committed to their personal views that there is no room for discussion?
When they had gone only a short distance from the city, Joseph said to his steward, "Go, follow after the men; and when you overtake them, say to them, 'Why have you returned evil for good? Why have you stolen my silver cup? Is it not from this that my lord drinks? Does he not indeed use it for divination? You have done wrong in doing this.'" --Gen. 44:4-5
My actual definition of religion is closest to that of Paul Tillich, which is one of "Ultimate Concern." This means that if your ultimate concern is being right, then that is your "religion." Or if your ultimate concern is loving others, that is your "religion." This almost begins to answer the question of purpose.My ultimate concern is closely tied to what Jesus teaches in scripture. The main teaching that I try to learn about and show is that of love. It is insanely difficult, but I strive to do so.I noticed the premise of your argument is that of disagreement. Why can't Christians agree? My answer is simply because we are all unique people and have differing viewpoints to acheive a similar goal. That goal, however, is not of converting the world. Jesus did not say "Go and convert" He said "Go and make disciples." This means discuss and talk. Live as a community, love one another. Does this match up with some of the actions of others? No, it does not. It pains me to see this.My question to you would be, does religion have to be agreed upon by all believers to be valid?
God is infinite and cannot be grasped by a human mind.The universe and all its components are finite and cannot grasp God.Those that are of God recognize God. Those that are of the universe recognize the universe.Those who are of God know God and do not use the mind (finite) to know the infinite (God) Those who are of the universe attempt to explain and understand God (infinite) with a mind (finite) Which is of course impossible. You cannot understand the infinite (God) with the finite (mind)All logic is finite, and so can only exist relative to finite things. God is infinite and so rules do not apply to God. God does not operate according to mental rules of human manufacture. Simply because your finite mind tells you God does not exist does not mean that your conclusion is so. It means that your finite mind spit out a finite conclusion relative to what you want to see. The Mind exists to support your ego. The mind will always spit out what ever conclusion you need to make yourself right. This cuts both waysI believe. Not because I thought about it and weighed the evidence. No matter how much you think about something, the result of your thought is finite. I believe specifically because I was not thinking, God infinite called and I was listening. In other words, I experienced direct, obvious, personal and in defiance of all logic the obviousness of God. There is not enough logic existent in the world to overcome my personal direct and awakening experience with God (that continues with every breath). The reason for that is simple. Belief in God is not about logic, it is about faith. Faith cannot be defeated with logic.
Just caught up with the kcrady saga: there's some real brilliance in style and content there.Do we know anything about him? He seems to be professor of philosophy level with theology thrown in for good measure.
As for the starving children in Africa, I doubt any of you know even one starving child in Africa so how can you make claims about to whom and how often they pray and their success rates? Unfortunately, post-colonialism-effects and civil wars and such between dictators and rebels etc are a source of many of the starving populations in Africa - all this, man made. Yet people are quick to blame God when He doesn't immediately come down and solve all the problems that we caused and continue to cause. Even the Israelites in the Bible who had visual, everyday experience of God's power still often failed to repent, believe and honor God. Yet everyone is quick to say that if God just came and fed all the starving children they would all of a sudden change their ways and believe. I sincerely doubt that. Also, feeding all the starving children would mean stopping the causes of their lack of food and that would mean subverting the free will of those causing the wars and such. What I'm trying to say is that it's not as simple as magic up some sacks of rice all over the place, meanwhile the warfare and strife still go on.Let's not ignore our own responsibility to those starving children. God also expects us to do our part. There's a passage that says: James 2:14 - "What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead."
Quote from: OkiMike. Any problems that exist on this planet are the results of natural humans living in a natural world.EXACTLY ! That is what I said in my message. Maybe you do not blame God but the writers of the bible did. An earthquake causes plagues and deaths and the people say "God did it." Really? What about this kind of evidence?Please go here and read this.http://varnam.org/blog/archives/2006/08/exodus_decoded_1.php
. Any problems that exist on this planet are the results of natural humans living in a natural world.
Here's something I've been kicking around. I'd love to hear what you folks think, especially the theists. I think the best, perhaps only way to have an honest discussion about a topic is with a shared understanding of the context of the discussion and a healthy appetite to learn about another viewpoint. My example: many of the atheists on this forum, myself included, used to be christians, and therefore have a very good knowledge base from which to debate the merits of christianity (I'm sorry if I'm excluding other religions, I just haven't heard much from you). The christians here appear to have been christians for quite some time and know virtually nothing about atheism, and I don't mean the apathetic atheism that is born out of teenage angst. That statement is derived from two observations. One, my own thought processes when I was a christian, and two, reading the posts made by christians in this fourm.So, can we really have productive conversations when one side has no concept of the other side's position? I know I'm making broad generalizations here, but I really want to know if the christians out there have ever stopped to honestly consider the atheist position.
Charity suffereth long, [and] is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things --1 Cor. 13:4-7
Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand. When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin. --Psalm 109:6-7
And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: [is] not this a brand plucked out of the fire? --Zechcariah 3:1-2
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.---1 Chronicles 21:1 And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say,Go number Israel and Judah--2 Samuel 24:1
If you put a man in a room with a million bottles and tell him that 999,999 contain deadly poison and one contains a potion of immortality, what possible choice could he make other than not to drink?
I have no doubt that medical science will discover how to grow new, complete and fully functional limbs for amputees. I have no doubt that this "ability" is encoded in our genes, or within our cells. Think on this from an evolutionary standpoint. Other lower life forms, like starfish, have the ability. Worms can form two complete worms from one being cut in half. We probably have these same genes within ourselves--at least to an extent. Our skin regenerates spontaneously. Our ribs and liver have the ability to regenerate spontaneously under certain circumstances. Collateral circulation in the heart spontaneously grows in some people who have arteries that are beginning to block. So I have absolutely NO DOUBT that science will discover how to cause new arms and legs to grow. Here is the miracle of God. This "ability" is encoded within us already. This ability may be "turned on" or utiliized at anytime. But even knowing this and believeing this as I do, and even believing in God as I do, I would still find it impossible at this time that I could grow a new leg if I lost one for some reason. This is our mindset, and it is not easily changed no matter how much "faith" we have in the entity of God Himself. Our "faith" is that God will provide spiritual strength to live without the limb, or that prosthetics are the answers to our prayers, and so this is what we receive. Science will discover how make this happen. Science will steal the thunder. Yet, in reality, science will not have "created" anything, or "discover" anything or any ability that isn't already within ourselves and put into place by God "since the beginning". It will be great, and wonderful, and beautiful when science figures out how to do it....but I, personally, will not be so arrogant to think that science has done anything that God has not first put the ability to be done into place. It may not necessarilly be the "best" in many situations. Some only find their true strength and true depth of being though losing a limb and "moving on". As sad a thing as it is to lose a limb, many who I have spoken to, after a time, would not change it because of the "person they have become because of their ordeal".


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The final score wasn't really indicative of the McPherson High boys' home game against Winfield Friday, as both teams were fairly closely matched, with the exception of the second quarter.
The final score wasn't really indicative of the McPherson High boys' home game against Winfield Friday, as both teams were fairly closely matched, with the exception of the second quarter.
The Bullpups and the Vikings played a game of "anything you can do" during the first quarter, as the game was tied several times during the first eight minutes.
It was the second quarter, however, when the Bullpups finally made some adjustments to an unexpected zone defense from the Vikings and went to the races, dropping 25 points in the frame to take a 42-29 advantage into the locker room.
"Really, the first half, Keaton (Sorenson) and Kyler (Kinnamon) carried us," McPherson coach Kurt Kinnamon said. "We're trying to be more cognizant of getting the ball inside to Keaton."
Kyler Kinnamon and Sorenson both had 15 points for MHS at the half and finished with 21 and 19, respectively, showing why they are one of the top duos in Class 4A.
Ryan Horton had 11 and Marcus Houghton added in 10 points in the victory.
Winfield (5-2) sophomore guard Will Adler single-handedly kept the Vikings in the game, as he was responsible for 21 of Winfield's 69 points.
McPherson shot 50.8 percent from the field in the game, but only managed a trio of three-point buckets, two of which game from Kinnamon.
The only real dark spot for coach Kurt Kinnamon was the Pups' foul shooting, as MHS went only 6-for-18 on the night, with Kyler Kinnamon putting up half those in a 3-of-7 performance.
"I see Kyler in the gym every morning," Kinnamon said. "It's not unusual to see him make 96, 97 out of 100."
The MHS JV squad was just as dominating against Winfield, as the Bullpups won 81-48.
Avery Gabel had 25 points in the win, while Drew Pyle added 21.
The MHS freshmen were 56-32 winners over Winfield.
Next up for McPherson (6-1) is a Tuesday night road trip to Rose Hill, who defeated Buhler 48-39 Friday night. Tip off against the Rockets will tentatively be around 7:30 p.m.
McPherson — Houghton 4-10 2-5 10; Sorenson 9-19 1-4 19; Kinnamon 8-13 3-7 21; Horton, R. 5-8 0-0 11; Horton, P. 3-5 0-2 6; Gabel 1-2 0-0 2.
Winfield — Fox 1-6 0-0 3; Adler 7-10 2-2 21; Gard 1-4 2-2 4; Mays 3-10 0-0 7; Bertholf 2-4 2-2 7; Hoover 4-6 0-4 8.


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Godfather: The Coppola Restoration, The (US - BD)
Gabe knows it was you. *Kiss* You broke his heart. You broke his heart...
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the most disturbing and frustrating aspect of reviewing film on home video is that almost everything I get my hands on has already been critiqued, and often by better and more astute writers. This is hard enough with recent releases, but proves almost overwhelming when it comes to a popular catalogue release, and they don't come much more popular than The Godfather Trilogy. What in the hell can I say about two of the most celebrated and influential films of all time, or their generally disliked sequel that hasn't been said? Nothing really. I'll make it short.
The first question that comes to mind is one that has followed the film for years, and one that becomes more and more relevant with each passing year—is The Godfather an overrated film? Well, from the point of view that many consider it the best film of all time, yes, it is somewhat overrated. But realistically speaking, all hyperbole aside The Godfather is one of the best films of all time, so the extent of the overratedness is pretty minimal. For the record, I'm slightly more fond of Martin Scorsese's Goodfellas myself.
Re-watching the film again I'm reminded that it isn't the pompous wall of intellectual hobnobbery that its preceding reputation suggests. The film is smart, and lends itself to different readings, but it isn't steeped in self important metaphor as some of us may remember. Factually, a solid half of the film's appeal is in its pulpy anachronisms, and its focus on plain and simple storytelling. All three films are remembered as long, but the first episode moves the story from point to point without wasting screen time one listless or episodic narration, unlike many of its followers, specifically Godfather III and Brian DePalma's Scarface. The pieces fit together, and unlike the effort of putting together Ikea furniture, the viewer isn't left with any extra bits.
The Godfather is nearly equal parts larger than life opera and intimate family story, which ensures that the more symbolic and thought provoking bits aren't coming from a place beyond the layman's understanding. The film's enduring popularity likely has more to do with its accessibility in spite of its intelligence. Melodrama can be ridiculous, and intimacy can be aggravating, but Coppola and his more than capable cast (who I really don't need to praise specifically, it's a given) find a balance between the styles. It seems to me that the big schism between those that 'get' the film and those that simply enjoy watching it as a piece of entertainment is the ending, and the viewers' understanding of the tragedy that closes out the film. It's not a happy ending, guys; it's a very, very sad ending.
This brings us to The Godfather Part II, the alpha and omega of film sequels. The same question applies here: is the film overrated? Is this really and truly the best sequel of all time? It's definitely one of the best, but how does one realistically compare The Godfather Part II to Empire Strikes Back, The Two Towers, Toy Story 2, Dawn of the Dead or Aliens? The truth is you can't, but you can appreciate the (then) original take on a sequel that Coppola presented. The film fulfils all the requirements of a good sequel—a bigger budget, an upped ante, the characters we know are taken to hell and back, and the story is different but not unrecognizable. Coppola's innovation was telling two giant stories, separated by a large chasm of time in the same film. Even more innovative is the fact that the two stories don't even line up—Vito's story sort of leads into the first film, and Michael's story picks up where the first film left off.
To bring Coppola back to the series the producers gave him the budget and freedom to make the film he wanted. This freedom, and the fact that the director didn't really even want to make the film in the first place, likely led to such a rich and experimental production, and with the exception of perhaps Empire Strikes Back there haven't been many filmmakers given this much leeway with sequel material. In many ways The Godfather Part II may be the superior film of the series. The only regrets I find looking back with the most critical eye I can muster (strangely enough this film and Leone's Once Upon a Time in America have sort of been hammered into one mega film in my brain), is that the sequel loses some of the original film's pulpy lustre, and replaces it with semi-conceited tone. I wouldn't call it pretentious, because Coppola gets away with every inch of melodrama (the last act is still heart wrenching), butt-numbing length and indulgent photography. I'll use the less risible ostentatious.
And then there's the much maligned third film. Here I'll ask the opposite question: is Godfather Part III as bad as everyone says it is. No, of course it isn't, but it isn't exactly a good film either. Coppola's third Godfather, like The Phantom Menace, mostly suffers because of the impossible precedent set by its predecessors. There was simply no way that the Francis Coppola of 1990 was going to be able to create art at the level of the Francis Coppola of the 1970s, and to this day the anti-hype has not died down a whole lot, but like The Phantom Menace, the anti-hype isn't unfounded.
Most of the problems have been well documented. The basic plot is bland. Often it appears that Coppola and Puzo aren't so much missing the point of their first two films, but missing out on what made those films so perfect. Godfather II was the apex of film sequelization because Coppola went out of his way not to make the film the studio wanted, but this time the beats are so rhythmic one can almost set their watch to them. There isn't really anywhere to take the characters after the second film, and the script struggles to discover new leafs to turn over while still hitting all the studio mandated 'exciting' action beats. The direction is lazy, as are the returning actors. The new additions, including the consistently disrespected Sofia Coppola, are only as weak as their co-stars, who just don't seem to care.
But it isn't all a lost cause. Coppola's stylized violence is at its most arresting, perhaps ever. The eyeglasses murder and bullet-thru-the-hand shot are unshakable, and the helicopter scene is pretty spectacular from a 'pure film' standpoint. Eli Wallach's rather broad performance as Don Altobello is expectedly great, even among this relatively muddled cast. The Vatican stuff is a cool and ballsy bit of script addition, revealing at least a smidgen of integrity on the part of Coppola and Puzo. And the gut-punch of the tragic finale hasn't lost its edge over the years.
This is, without a doubt, the best these films have looked since they were first released, but they do show their age. The Godfather features all those famously deep and dark nearly sepia browns and golds, and some sequences on this disc are purely breathtaking. The depth of the blacks is almost impossibly bottomless, and thanks to increased definition they now stand in better contrast to the rest of the frame. Even the relatively decent looking DVD release featured loss of definition in the darkest of scenes, creating basically a flat black image with the slightest highlights. Don't get me started on the pan and scan VHS releases and TV versions. This isn't to say that Coppola and Gordon Willis' high contrast, noir inspired imagery is lost in high definition. The sepia browns and golds are even and as natural as can be expected from such a stylized pallet. And against these browns, golds, and blacks are dashes of bright red, orange, and green cleanly and fully bouncing off the screen.
Details are sharp compared to previous releases, but not compared to some similarly aged films on Blu-ray ( 2001: A Space Odyssey and Close Encounters of the Third Kind spring to mind). The problems mostly arise from the age of the stock, the deep darkness of the frame, and possibly the stock itself (sometimes older, non-anamorphic, spherical 35 mm lacks super high detail, though I don't pretend to have even a working knowledge of such things). The frame is consistently grainy as well. Comparing the Blu-ray to the DVD I can plainly see that the dark blacks and blues get away cleanly this time around, but dark oranges and flesh tones are swimming with grain, and even a little bit of green and red noise. The New York, Vegas and Hollywood stock footage peppered throughout the relatively cheaply made film now stands out as limited in detail with blown out whites. The bright daylight scenes are in shocking contrast to the majority of the film, and feature greater details, and more impressive contrast levels. Roughly speaking, it ain't perfect, but it'll do, especially when considering what Coppola and Willis' intended, which was an aged look.
The Godfather Part II is mostly more of the same. The grain is still pretty thick, some of the browns are still a little noisy, and the details aren't quite razor sharp, but it still looks damn nice, and as the director and DP intended. A few things I notice that are specific to the second film include minor frame shifts and shakes (mostly in outdoor shots), and a little more colour correction. The former item is regrettable, but the latter is very intriguing. Coppola and Willis pushed the sepia tones further in the second film (because they were allowed to), and the final effect is somewhat extreme, but fitting. My DVD and widescreen VHS copies are sizably more yellow then this new hi-def transfer, which is more golden, almost orange. This applies at an even more extreme degree to the Vito scenes, which are also a little grainier, and a little less detailed. I never noticed before, but Willis uses wider lenses and broader focus during many of the old world scenes, creating a flatter look in comparison to the more three dimensional '50s scenes.
The Godfather Part III is the most sharply detailed and generally clean in the collection, but for an assemblage of rather unfair reasons. First off, it's a much newer film, and as such features less print damage (this is the only film in the new release that doesn't feature the 'Coppola Restoration' tag). Then we must take into account the more modern look of Godfather III. Though the deep blacks and sharp edged silhouettes are still around, the super saturated golds and browns aren't taken to nearly as stylish extreme. This more natural look assists the details, and begets more differing hues than the other films. Textured film grain is still pretty thick, specifically in scenes with lower and less specific lighting, but part three is never as noisy as the other two. One thing that's always bothered me about the widescreen releases of Godfather III is that the framing has always appeared a little too tight. I wonder if 1.66:1 wouldn't perhaps have been a better option.
These screen caps are taken from my old DVD release. These are no way representational of the new transfers. If you want a rough idea as to what the new transfers look like take one of these caps, stick them in Photoshop, and crank the yellow and red about half way higher.
The Godfather is as audibly subtle as suspense driven horror film, revelling in relative silence for minute after tension wracked minute, then bursting with the rough pops of gunfire and breaking dishes. Mostly this Dolby TrueHD track is similarly centred in its aural focus to the DVD release, but there are a few spiffing sound effects moments, and a very strongly represented score. The dialogue is a little inconsistent, sometimes suffering a little reverb, other times blurting a hair of tinny distortion, but it's all understandable, even the whispery quiet moments. The surround and stereo channels come to surprising life with the presence of stuff like rolling thunder and screaming street trains. Additions like these and moving cars reveal a robust bass track, and though minimal the surround effects work directionally.
The Godfather Part II is mostly more of the same, but with the benefit of a larger budget. The sound design of the second film is more brash and assured. The attempt at murdering of Michael at the beginning of the film is another prime example of Coppola's suspense wracking sound design, and the bombast of the Tommy gun fire is a fantastic aural attack. The Cuba sequences, including the inside and outside New Year's celebrations, and the street revolts, are the closest the disc gets to reference quality surround and bass. The dialogue is still a little flat and tinny, but the overall ambiance is more lively and realistic.
Godfather III, being the newest and slickest of the collection features the most impressive TrueHD soundtrack. The same strengths and most of the same weaknesses apply, but at it strongest this is the most aggressive of the collection. The big scene for audio fury is, of course, the helicopter attack, which pulls the same old trick of sucking the majority of the ambient noise out of scene before unleashing the loudest, multi-channel explosions. The rumble of the approaching helicopter takes the LFE for a little trip, leading up to rotating blades fill that fill the rear channels, and a barrage of bullets and ricochets flying around the room.
Nino Rota's vigorously gloomy and chunky score is fully and warmly represented on both the first and second film's soundtracks. The surround representation of the music is more intricate than that of the sound effects. The strings and brass blast in a rather wall like fashion from the left and right, while the mandolins, clarinets, and guitars are delegated to specific channels. In the case of the second film the effect is even richer, and the bass even fuller. Carmine Coppola's third film score doesn't actually show up the first two on this collection, which isn't to say the mix is any less effective.
I do have a problem with all three discs' subtitles, which had to be manually turned on during the scenes with Italian dialogue (it's the sixth subtitle track, by the way). The font choice, however, is very classy. Font choice is something I forget is possible to get out of Blu-ray.
Paramount has some new extras for fans to sink their greedy little teeth in to, but they've also included everything that adorned the original DVD release, so you can give that old hunk of non-hi-def junk to your little sister or something (kidding, kidding, I still love DVD).
All three films start with Coppola's commentary tracks from the DVD release. The tracks are still fully formed, still stimulating, and still substantially listenable, but are a little bit unessential given the depth of the original and the new HD documentaries. If you're like me, and you've already seen these films a dozen or so times, the tracks make for an entertaining alternative to listening to the same old dialogue and music, no matter how brilliant it may be. You've got to respect the man's ability to sit and talk to himself for nearly nine hours.
The new extras, which are all in HD, start with 'The Masterpiece That Almost Wasn't'. If you've missed out on the book and film versions of Easy Riders and Raging Bulls (which you shouldn't), you'll find a lot to learn about the 1960s and '70s, and their effect on film. Later you'll learn a bit about the painful birth of the original film. The second half of the doc is devoted to different points of view on the film's genius, and a brief comparison to the more two-dimensional gangster films of the '30s and '40s. The oft-told story is told through a series of interviews, behind the scenes footage, archive photography, and film footage. Coppola and Robert Evans are of course present, but so are Coppola's American Zoetrope co-founders, including George Lucas (whose THX had just about killed the fledgling studio), and some other friends of Zoetrope like William Friedkin and Steven Spielberg. The doc steals some ace footage from The Kid Stays in the Picture, but we can forgive it, because Evans' side of the story couldn't be told more effectively. Most of us already know this story from books, articles, other documentaries, and the commentary tracks, but despite its brief length (only thirty minutes) this doc is an entertaining retelling and the celebrity recollections (from Alec Baldwin, all the way to Trey Parker) are quite satisfying.
'Godfather World' is another collection of celebrity recollections on the films, and their effect on pop culture. Featured with the interviews are a series of clips from stuff like The Simpsons, Family Guy, The Sopranos, SCTV, You've Got Mail, Analyze This, and commercials. This eleven minute extension of the previous doc, is very amusing, though I personally can always use more Sarah Vowel and Guillermo del Toro.
'Emulsional Rescue' (almost twenty minutes) is concerned with the restoration of the first two films, which were apparently in terrible shape due to too many years of misuse, and too many prints made from the same negative. The new colour timing on this release is apparently much truer to Coppola and Willis' intent, and closer to the theatrical look. It's all a bit technical, but the commentators with their diagrams are pretty good at talking to us laymen without treating us like idiots, and they explain the digital photography better, and in less time than most books I've read. The volume of work put into the project does make one appreciate these new hi-def transfers, and every one of their 'imperfections', as do the comparisons to the original VHS releases (which always looked terrible).
'…When the Shooting Stopped' is another extension of the 'The Masterpiece That Almost Wasn't' concerned mostly with the editing and scoring processes. This mostly pertains to the producer's original disdain for the first film's epic length and music. Steven Spielberg's thoughts on the editing of the first two films are provocative, revealing perhaps a deeper understanding of Coppola's filmmaking than I think even Coppola holds. From the music side there's some interesting focus on the horse head scene, which was apparently culled from two cues by editor Walter Murch. This fourteen minute featurette is the first in the set to feature any footage from the third film.
'Godfather on the Red Carpet' is a sort of frivolous, four minute segment of interviews from the Cloverfield red carpet featuring a bunch of relatively recognizable J.J. Abrams actors ( Cloverfield, Lost, and Star Trek). Kind of cute, but really uninspiring as a follow-up to the previously fascinating new extras.
Then things get a little odd with a section called 'Four Short Films Based on The Godfather', which is really just four more featurettes made by the same people, and featuring the same interviewees. 'Godfather vs. Godfather II' speaks for itself with its title. 'Riffing on Riffing' is a few minutes with Richard Belzer quizzing some other actor (he was named in the first doc, but I can't find it) on quotes from the film. 'Cannoli' is a brief exploration of the famous line 'Leave the gun, take the cannoli' with Coppola and Sarah Vowell (who wrote a book with that line as the title). 'Clemenza' is Coppola's explanation as to why the character Clemenza was missing from the second film. The section runs a little over seven minutes, and the last two items are covered in the commentary.
Next we have an interactive family tree, which features a small biography of every major character in the Corleone family, and a small biography of the actor or actors that played them in the film. This is augmented by an interactive crime chart, featuring all the major gangsters, their vital stats, their 'rap sheet', and many also feature their own rivals and associates sub-menu. The new extras are completed with a wedding album featuring stills from the first film's wedding scene.
Then we've got the original 2001 DVD release extras, which is all presented in the same standard definition 1.33 aspect ratio. Behind the Scenes starts with 'A Look Inside', a look back with the filmmakers and actors over the entire series, though most of the interviews are taken during the making of the third film. A lot of the behind the scenes footage is taken from the part three time span too, but there are also snippets of screen tests and behind the scenes discussion from the first film. It's a good doc, and the new material doesn't directly cover too much of the same ground (though the commentary does), so it isn't made dispensable in this new release. Watch the whole one hour and thirteen minute thing just for Robert DeNiro's screen test for Sonny Corleone.
'On Location' is a seven minute look at the locals of the second film, including behind the scenes footage from the filming and a look at the current block. This is followed by a ten minute exploration of Coppola's notebook, which he assembled to gather his thoughts on the original novel when he was given the job of adapting it.
'Music of The Godfather' is divided into sections for Nino Rota (score) and Carmine Coppola (traditional music, score for the third film). Rota's section is made up of an audio tape of his piano demos recorded by Coppola, set to scenes from the film. Carmine's section includes a video interview and conducting footage from 1990, along with footage from the 'Coppola scene' from movie two, and dialogue from Francis Coppola.
The rest of the behind the scenes section is completed with Coppola and Mario Puzo chatting about the screenwriting process, Gordon Willis chatting about cinematography, storyboards from the second and third films, and a 1971 EPK. There are also sections for filmmaker biographies and extensive image, Academy Award footage and trailer galleries. The whole thing comes to a head with no less than thirty four deleted scenes from all three films (only one from part three), presented in chronological order of events. The scenes are preceded by a title card describing their intended place in the film, and are presented only in non-anamorphic, standard definition 1.33:1 full frame.
It's The Godfather, I don't expect my words to deter anyone from buying it. The new extras are a fine edition to the old extras, and the A/V has been thoroughly overhauled. Some viewers may be disappointed in the lack of detail and 'cleanliness' in the new transfers, but the colour correction almost makes for an entirely new viewing experience for those of us that weren't old enough to see the first two films in theatres. Also, sometimes we need to appreciate the look of film stock, and learn to appreciate intended looks. My final A/V scores are in comparison to all other hi-def releases I've seen on this set, not DVD quality or filmmaker intent. And all you people that keep complaining about the missing chronological version of the films, no one involved with the films ever liked that version. Give up the dream.
* Note: The images on this page are not representative of the Blu-ray release.
Review by Gabriel Powers
I'm definitely getting this, although strangely it's much cheaper to buy it over here than it is to import it. It also reminds me that I forgot to post the news item about this a while back...
Are the transfers noticeably different to the old DVDs then Gabe (apart from resolution of course)? I mean, I read the comments, but is it a real case of 'wow', source limitations aside?
Are the transfers noticeably different to the old DVDs then Gabe (apart from resolution of course)? I mean, I read the comments, but is it a real case of 'wow', source limitations aside?
The difference in the colors is HUGE. I didn't realize how huge until I got the screen caps. There will be people disappointed with the resolution, but it's all source material issues, and it all appears to be on purpose.
wnicholas76 Member Join Date: June 2008 Location: United States Posts: 281
An offer that I know I won't refuse when buying The Godfather movies on Blu-ray! Because it's like this: If the Godfather movies are not in your Blu-ray collection, then you don't have a Blu-ray collection!
knight d Member Join Date: November 2007 Location: United States Posts: 221
I'd love to see the differences in the colors if there are any examples posted on the internet. I wonder what other blu ray discs are doing this to movies.
From what I understand the new DVDs will be the same new transfers.
Cinque Member Join Date: June 2007 Location: United States Posts: 710
I'm over 25 years old and I've never seen any of the Godfather movies in their entirety. Maybe I should take advantage of the Blu-ray release and finally correct this oversight.....
cinemaniac26 Member Join Date: September 2007 Location: United States Posts: 132
I'm 14 years old, so I'm probably getting ahead of myself, but I've only seen the first Godfather film and, while it's far from being one of my favorite films, I do agree with everything stated in this review.
Another good one, Gabe.
Another good one, Gabe.
Bouncy X Member Join Date: March 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 1,931
Cinque wrote: I'm over 25 years old and I've never seen any of the Godfather movies in their entirety. Maybe I should take advantage of the Blu-ray release and finally correct this oversight.....
i'm over 30 and still havent so dont feel bad.
course i wont be getting or even renting the blu rays. while i appreciate their place in movie history, this just isnt my type of movie but along with Iron Man, i gotta say hoorah for blu-ray movies finally having great extras, imported/added or not.
i'm over 30 and still havent so dont feel bad.
course i wont be getting or even renting the blu rays. while i appreciate their place in movie history, this just isnt my type of movie but along with Iron Man, i gotta say hoorah for blu-ray movies finally having great extras, imported/added or not.
FrankJac Member Join Date: June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 14
Another great review...but Goodfellas over the Godfather???
Gabe...you disappoint me.
Gabe...you disappoint me.
Jonny "Me You" Senior Member Join Date: March 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 2,863
I think I'll eventually get this, but the cheap b*****d in me will wait until this drops in price $30 or so.
Tibor Lugosi Member Join Date: August 2008 Location: United States Posts: 59
Good set of flicks, nice review and I might buy it, but for the life of me, I can't understand why this is so popular...
In my humble opinion, Once Upon a Time in America is a much more superior film, and I hope those rumors of an extended edition under Leone's daughter and producer Arnon Milchan's supervision come true.
In my humble opinion, Once Upon a Time in America is a much more superior film, and I hope those rumors of an extended edition under Leone's daughter and producer Arnon Milchan's supervision come true.
Extended? It's already, like, seventeen hours long!
Marcus1138 Contributor Join Date: June 2008 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 910
Damn it Gabe, I was laid back about this release and figured I'd get it somewhen down the line, but after reading this I want it now!
And I'm on your side with Goodfellas, takes the edge for me too.
And I'm on your side with Goodfellas, takes the edge for me too.
BoBoi Member Join Date: June 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 1,109
Thanks for the Review. Great to see such improvements on the PQ, and thankfully they did not use DNR (Correct me if I'm wrong here, I believe they didn't), as I consider severe DNR destroyed the very purpose of film-like looks.
Anyway, just realize that this set has been shipped together with Kill Bill 1 & 2 from Amazon, really can't wait to get this, every reviews that I have read so far really tempted me to see this with my own eyes and of course to complete my collection of 'The Godfather' together with the Japanese Wooden Box and other releases.
Anyway, just realize that this set has been shipped together with Kill Bill 1 & 2 from Amazon, really can't wait to get this, every reviews that I have read so far really tempted me to see this with my own eyes and of course to complete my collection of 'The Godfather' together with the Japanese Wooden Box and other releases.
Jeyl Member Join Date: February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 208
"missing chronological version"
What are you talking about Gabriel?
What are you talking about Gabriel?
JohnnyTrauma Member Join Date: June 2008 Location: United States Posts: 26
as much as i love coppola and these films, i'm happy with the '01 collection
Blue-Kal-El Member Join Date: October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 602
The Godfather has to be one of the greatest tales ever told on film, beautifully shot and directed, the top films of all time.
I am 23 years old, and really love these films (1 & 2 at least), and many "old" but great masterpieces, like Citizen Kane and Lawrence of Arabia (which I claim to be the best (super)hero movie ever), and I recommend all of you "young" people to really sit down and appreciate "old" movies and watch them as you would these "new" movies, you will be rewarded with great stories with great written plots and character development, and not just plain simple characters...
Great review by the way, if they drop below the $50 (for the blu-ray) I will be picking it up and replacing my old 01 Collection...
I am 23 years old, and really love these films (1 & 2 at least), and many "old" but great masterpieces, like Citizen Kane and Lawrence of Arabia (which I claim to be the best (super)hero movie ever), and I recommend all of you "young" people to really sit down and appreciate "old" movies and watch them as you would these "new" movies, you will be rewarded with great stories with great written plots and character development, and not just plain simple characters...
Great review by the way, if they drop below the $50 (for the blu-ray) I will be picking it up and replacing my old 01 Collection...
jmcclane 88 Member Join Date: September 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 466
Good review Gabe.
I won't upgrade my original trilogy collection, well not yet. At the moment I'm happy with the set I have. Bit it would be nice to have Part II on one disc. On AmazonUK they have a cool steelbook for the Remastered trilogy but its Dvd not BD.
As far as I know they joined Parts I+II and it was shown on Tv in chronological order in 1977. Sounds like the Mememto Dvd.
I won't upgrade my original trilogy collection, well not yet. At the moment I'm happy with the set I have. Bit it would be nice to have Part II on one disc. On AmazonUK they have a cool steelbook for the Remastered trilogy but its Dvd not BD.
As far as I know they joined Parts I+II and it was shown on Tv in chronological order in 1977. Sounds like the Mememto Dvd.
David Blackwell Senior Member Join Date: February 2004 Location: United States Posts: 2,831
Jeyl, Gabe is talking about the version that once released where the events of the film were re-edited in a chronilogical format instead of going from Parts 1 through 3.
Maladroit Member Join Date: December 2005 Location: Canada Posts: 468
I'm also one of those losers that hasn't seen any of the trilogy yet.
knight d wrote: I'd love to see the differences in the colors if there are any examples posted on the internet. I wonder what other blu ray discs are doing this to movies.
Well, DVDBeaver.com has a comp up, but they didn't pick the most wildly stylized caps. You can still see the difference, but the yellow to red difference in the Vito scenes for GFII are the most different.
Well, DVDBeaver.com has a comp up, but they didn't pick the most wildly stylized caps. You can still see the difference, but the yellow to red difference in the Vito scenes for GFII are the most different.
Finally got this set for my birthday a few weeks back. I agree with the review in that it's not a 'wow' smack you in the face sort of difference, but it is a big improvement. If you watched them without a frame of reference you might be forgiven for thinking they're not much better than the DVDs, but if you do a comparison you'll see that the colour rendition is vastly superior, there are far fewer film artefacts and the level of detail is improved (although as Gabe said, not to the level of similarly aged films like CE3K). So, a good result overall. Now I just need to find the time to watch them.
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Disc Details
Release Date: 23rd September 2008
Discs: 4
Disc Type: Blu-ray Disc
RCE: No
Video: 1080p
Aspect: 1.85:1
Anamorphic: No
Colour: Yes
Audio: Dolby Digital TruHD English, Spanish, French, Dolby Digital Mono English
Subtitles: English HoH, English, French, and Spanish
Extras: Godfather World, The Masterpiece That Almost Wasn't, …when the shooting stopped, Emulsional Rescue Revealing The Godfather, The Godfather on the Red Carpet, Four Short Films About The Godfather, Origianl DVD Features
Easter Egg: No
Feature Details
Director: Francis Ford Coppola
Cast: Marlon Brando, Al Pacino, Robert DeNiro, Diane Keaton, Andy Garcia
Genre: Crime, Drama and Film-Noir
Length: 549 minutes
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