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More than a half-dozen upset neighbors of apple farms spoke out Monday against the use of air cannons to scare away birds that farmers say are hurting their crops at a vulnerable time in the growing season.
More than a half-dozen upset neighbors of apple farms spoke out Monday against the use of air cannons to scare away birds that farmers say are hurting their crops at a vulnerable time in the growing season.
During a Henderson County Board of Commissioners meeting, the farms' neighbors talked about losing sleep, increased emotional and physical health problems, children afraid to go outside, and pets upset by the cannon noises, which according to many accounts sound anywhere from every 20 seconds to every few minutes from early morning to dusk.
Neighbors urged commissioners to "do something" and "please help," saying peace of mind on their rural land has been decimated by the cannons.
After the public comments, County Attorney Russell Burrell told the commissioners they had no authority to regulate the use of the cannons.
"Your power is extensively, extensively limited" when it comes to regulating the noise coming from equipment "used for bona-fide agricultural purposes," he said. There were a few areas where commissioners could step in, but the use of air cannons was not one.
With that, Chairman Charlie Messer said, "Our hands are tied," and the board took no action. Messer urged neighbors to view the problem as "temporary," since the cannons will be turned off after apple picking season ends.
But for some varieties, like Pink Lady, the harvest season might fall in early November, said county Extension Director Marvin Owings. He spoke during the meeting and reminded commissioners that birds can "decimate" crops, especially this time of year, when apples are mature or nearing maturity, a phase called "sunburnt," when birds find the apples particularly attractive.
He described one Dana-based apple farm, owned by Wayne Pace, as "state of the art" and added that air cannons are "a good management practice we recommend in particular to stop starlings" from ruining a valuable crop.
Pace grows mainly Pink Ladies, he said, which can yield $60 a bushel.
Apple farmer Sonya Hollingsworth said birds have been a big problem this year and she's turned to air cannons. She held up bags of apples heavily damaged by the birds pecking at them.
"Each apple that's pecked is a straight loss," she said. "We are just trying to have the best crop we can, especially after last year."
At her farm, J.H. Stepp Farm's Hillcrest Orchards, she also hears the cannon sounds all day, she said, but "you get used to it." Hollingsworth wanted her neighbors to understand she's trying to protect a 100-year-old farm that has been her family's livelihood since 1967.
She told the audience of about 50 people that her farm had a 90-percent loss last year due to weather, and that 90 to 90 percent of her orchard's apples are purchased by people from outside the county. Those people come to buy apples and stay to shop, eat at area restaurants and sleep in area hotels, all of which contribute to the local economy.
Mark Williams, executive director of Agribusiness Henderson County, also chimed in.
"I wasn't going to weigh in on this, but I felt I should," he said. "Sometimes growers have to resort to technology to protect their crops that they don't want to resort to. …The last thing they want to do is create conflict with their neighbors, but with farming sometimes there are odors and noises."
He pointed out that at least one residential neighborhood near the Stepp property was about 12 years old, compared to the Stepp property at about 100 years old. Perhaps local agricultural organizations should do more to educate the community about what it means to live adjacent to farmland, he said.
That didn't sit well with John O'Malley, whose property is next to the Stepp orchard. He said he knows exactly what it's like to live next to an apple orchard and has had no problem until the air cannons recently started blasting into his solitude.
"I hear noise from tractors and other equipment and that's fine," he said. "Tractor sounds are almost comforting. They spray for insects and that's fine, too. It's understandable," as part of normal apple farming. The cannons are not.
"Six years ago I found a beautiful place (to live) for all seasons, until about a month ago," when the cannons started firing from 7 a.m. to 8 p.m., about every two minutes, he said. Now, "I would like to stay outside," but it's too unpleasant.
"I have been a first responder my whole life," he added. "These explosions are causing me to jump and jerk in a flight-or-fight reaction" that puts him on edge day after day.
He said he was disappointed in the board's decision not to regulate the cannons. Farmers can make as much noise as they want to, disturbing their neighbors' peace and tranquility, "and there's nothing the board can do about it?" he asked.
Other neighbors at the meeting had similar complaints. Earl McIntyre told the board he visited Hendersonville to visit his daughter and found a "quiet and peaceful community, especially the Edneyville area," including the apple farms.
The couple moved to Edneyville, near the Stepp Orchards, and were thrilled when visiting friends and family would comment on the peacefulness of their new home. Now McIntyre has air cannons going off nearby day and night, he said.
A medical problem forces him to go to bed at any given time during the day, as he becomes overwhelmed with fatigue from time to time. "When I am at the point to start to go to fall asleep, 'bang,' an air cannon, used by Stepp Farms, makes a loud bang noise, startling me and waking me up. It now takes a long time for me to finally get to sleep."
Kerri Smith, who lives 100 feet from the Pace property, said the first time her daughter heard the cannon go off she was standing outside and "she hit the ground." All three of Smith's daughters are now scared to play outside, she said.
"It's horrible," she added. "We're hearing the cannons about every 20 seconds."
After the meeting Smith declared, "This is not over. I am disgusted. They say the Stepp farm has been there for 100 years, but this (the cannon noise) has only been going on for two years. I've lived her for four. I wish one of the commissioners would come to my house for the day to experience it."
After the meeting, O'Malley offered a few suggestions for a resolution.
"Maybe they (the farmers) need to try different ways to face the cannons. Maybe we need to talk about bringing in birds of prey" to help control the smaller-bird population such as crows and starlings. He and a fellow neighbor, Eric Paulsen, mentioned that prior to the cannons being installed, the men had noticed birds of prey in the area, including peregrine falcons, red tail hawks and golden hawks.
Smaller birds "hear their call as they approach the area and the birds scatter and they don't just fly to the woods, they go far away," O'Malley said. When he lived in Dallas and Ft. Worth, those communities had a bird problem, so they brought in birds of prey, "which solved the problem. It can work."
Paulsen added he heard tales of a farmer shooting a starlet or crow and hanging it from a tree, which he was told worked to scare away other birds.
O'Malley urged the farmers and neighbors to "come to the table" to talk about possible solutions.
"We appreciate our area apple growers," he said. "We know what they mean to our local economy. We just want to be able to have peace and quiet."
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When Michael Vick spoke Thursday about needing to be more aggressive, more of a risk-taker, after just his second turnover-free game of the season, a lot of us wondered if this was really what the coaching staff had in mind.
Marty Mornhinweg assured us Friday that it was.
"We've talked about that ... that's necessary," the Eagles' offensive coordinator said. "You know our mentality, we've talked about that before. We want to be aggressive, aggressive, aggressive. Unafraid to make a mistake. When we make a mistake, we try to swiftly correct it and we move on. It's that simple.
"There's reasons why these things have occurred. Excellence is all about attitude. We've discussed that as a unit -- that is important, that attitude and that certain mentality.
"I thought last ballgame, at a certain point in that ballgame, we needed more of it."
The implication was that Vick and other players on Mornhinweg's unit maybe got a little discouraged. LeSean McCoy talked after the game about playing with pride and heart, in the aftermath of the 30-17 loss to the unbeaten Falcons.
Mornhinweg referenced "a certain attitude, that we're the baddest men on the field. And that mentality that we're going to be aggressive, aggressive, aggressive."
Mornhinweg noted that problems are "highlighted when you don't get many chances," that you have to make the most of limited opportunities. The Eagles had the ball just once in the first quarter Sunday, as the Falcons built a 14-0 lead.
Mornhingweg said he has had "a couple of private conversations" with Vick lately, did not want to characterize them. He said the Eagles "typically have" the attitude he referenced. "We've gone through some hard times as a ballclub in the past, and then come out of it and played well down the stretch. Last year, it was too late when we put it together. We've got to put it together now, get going."
Asked how much of a distraction criticism of the team has become, Mornhinweg said: "Very little. I will say this, that there are some players that can't play in this city. It's that simple. The tough guy, physically and mentally, can thrive, playing for the Philadelphia Eagles and this city. I've been here a while now, I've built up a lot of respect for our fans. They are passionate. It's almost like they can say anything they want about their players, but nobody else can. We understand that. It's very simple: outside influences distract us zero."
Defensive coordinator Todd Bowles said missed tackles were the culprit when it came to Atlanta's repeated success with screens. He said the changed rotational numbers on the defensive line reflected the Falcons' tendency to run the ball; he indicated those trends might not hold for Monday's game at New Orleans.
Asked about defensive end Brandon Graham, whose 31 snaps were his most of the season, Bowles said: "Brandon did a good job. I don't know if it was so much an increase as it was different personnel groups require different people. If you get caught out there on a long drive, your snaps may tend to get skewed a little bit more."
Bowles said that in allowing Atlanta to score on its first six drives of the game, "there were a lot of things (from) training camp and OTAs, Day 1 kinds of things that shouldn't have happened ... we corrected them in the meeting, and we'll go from there."

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We brought the lovely Tonda Smolda in for a massage. A tall guy, Tonda is very handsome and looks great as he removes his underwear. He lays on the bed, with his gorgeous, hairy ass on show, waiting for his massage. The masseur starts his work, on Tonda's back and then straddles him to continue. The oiled hands work all over the back and down to that sexy ass. Then it is onto Tonda's equally hairy legs. Tonda lays passively as the hands work. When they get back up to his ass we see between his legs, and it appears that his cock has swollen somewhat. The masseur works on Tonda's ass, pulling the cheeks apart, exposing a mass of hair in his ass crack. He teases that ass somewhat with his hand, and then has a brief feel of the cock as well. Tonda climbs onto his knees and we see that his cock is fully hard. As his ass cheeks spread his cock is rock hard. The masseur takes a vibrator and pushes it into Tonda's hot, hairy hole. As the vibrator works Tonda's hole the masseur pulls the cock back between his legs and wanks it. Tonda cant hold back and very soon shoots his cum over his own leg. But that isn't the end. We still need to enjoy more of Tonda, and he turns over, to lay down on his back. The masseur starts to wank on Tondas cock again, keeping it nice and hard. He also has Tonda lift his legs, so that his ass can get more of the vibrator. With it deep in his ass and his cock being wanked Tonda is soon ready for another load and his cum squirts of his cock for the second time. What a hot guy he is, and with two cumshots in very quick time he gave ua a real treat.
Adam Toula is aged 18 and lives in Opava. He is a student who enjoys his martial arts, fitness and Thai boxing. After his interview Adam lights his candles and then lays back to begin. In just his boxers he looks very good indeed, those hairy legs leading us up to his groin, where he is fondling himself. He soon has a hand inside the shorts and pushes his hard dick out of the leg. What a beatiful sight it is as he begins to wank it, with his big balls justing hanging nicely below. Adam removes his boxers. He lifts a leg to show his ass crack as he continues playing with that thick cock. Taking some oil Filip drips it over himself, making sure a lot goes onto his cock and balls. He rubs the oil in, covering those balls nicely, and also his ass crack. Adam slips a finger into his ass and works it in and out. Then a second goes in as well, stretching it nicely. Adam then grabs a vibrator and uses it in his ass while he gently wanks himself. Moving onto his knees, and bending over Adam continues to work that hole while he also wanks himself. Then he uses his hands to spread his ass to show us his hole. Kneeling on the bed Adam then starts to wank himself hard and fast, until that beautiful cock shoots a nice, creamy load for us. Next it is off to the shower to clean up after a very good shoot.
Filip Pendrak is aged 28 and lives in Usti nad Labem. He is unemployed at present and enjoys hiking and climbing. What a handsome guy Filip is. Smartly dressed for his shoot he begins to remove his clothes and we see an excellent body. His musculature is very well defined, and he shows it off very well indeed. We get to enjoy some great views of Filip as he poses, to show his muscles. Then we get to see his hot little ass before he turns to show his balls and soft cock. He also does a great job of showing some gymnstic poses, with his legs spread wide apart. When he gets hard his cock looks great, standing proud. He also does a great job of showing his ass, with the cheeks spread so that we can see his hole. All in all this is an excellent shoot with Filip, he is just about the perfect specimen and promises a lot for his erotic video.


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Thursday, July 09, 2009
Smears and Poses
I remember when I first discovered "The Dover Boys" I was swept away by the technique of "smears" that the animators used to get from one pose to the next. What I later realized was much more important were the poses themselves. If you don't have great poses to get to, the smears are wasted.
This whole cartoon is great: the gags, the timing, the design, the backgrounds, the voices, the music. The smears are really just an added cool trick.
Like other animation tricks, smears are hypnotically tempting and they can distract an animator from what is more important - the cartoon itself. Luckily, Chuck Jones had his whole cartoon working from top to bottom and the smears were tailored to the ideas, rather than the other way around. Animation tricks won't make a bad design, generic pose, bland characters or a boring cartoon any better than what they are in essence.
I love this character! Dan Backslide's design is funny - a specific variation (a caricature of Ken Harris?) of a generic villain - and Mel Blanc's voice acting is great.
These poses are very strong, specific and organic.
...and funny!
This is an early experiment in "limited animation". Once the character hits his pose, his head moves around while he talks and his body stays held - but in very dynamic poses. The way the moving parts look and move is very funny and creative and this separates this kind of limited animation from the kind that most people (even executives) associate with cheap crappy stuff.
The Dover Boys really influenced the way I used limited animation once I started directing. - not the smears, but the posing and expressiveness. If you can't move everything - at least you can make the poses fun and make what does move expressive and funny.
Again, the smears are fun, but the poses are way more important to the success of the film. I see a lot of young animators who discover animation tricks and get carried away by them - while neglecting the much more important aspects of the entertainment. The harder things to do - like drawing well and drawing specific or original poses and expressions that are tailored to the story.
The rumor is that Leon Schlesinger hated this cartoon, but I can't figure out why. It's one of Jones' first really funny cartoons. But he never did anything this extreme again.
The irony is that the Dover Boys inspired the founders of UPA cartoons and later Jones said he didn't approve of the UPA approach to animation.
Bob Cannon was one of those founders and he was one of Jones' main animators in the early to mid 40s. Some say The Dover Boys was largely his idea, but who knows? Which part of the "idea"? The story? The timing? The design? The smears? It sure has Jones' posing all over it. I think it's one of the best cartoons ever made.
1942 was a very creative year at WB. The competition among the directors must have been fierce.
"Idea". What a misleading word. I meet so many people who think all it takes to make a successful cartoon is a magic "good idea". People ask me all the time, "How did you get the idea for Ren and Stimpy?" It's hard to answer quickly because there is no single idea. It's a whole bunch of ideas that keep changing. Ideas are a dime a dozen. The execution is what makes things work - or not. Talent, skill, experience putting things together coherently and entertainingly, working with people who complement your talents - a lot of more important things than having an "idea". What's the idea for The Beatles? Long hair?
I think I'll expand upon "What is an idea?" in another post
34 comments:
- Niki said...
I have the dover boys on my laptop. It was my favorite as a kid, along with the Rabbit of Seville
- David Germain said...
Back in animation school, one of our teachers said "smears are for wimps". I certainly agree with him to a certain extent. They can be overused by lazy animators who just want to get the scene done as quickly as possible. But, of course, like any technique, it can be used effectively is capable of producing some fabulous works like the Dover Boys here.
One nice part about this scene with Dan Backslide that I didn't notice until much later is that there's a painting of a nude lady behind his head.
- Isaac said...
That Batman really bugs me. The open palm with index finger separated from the rest, is there a living person who actually makes that hand gesture? It's ridiculously common in Japanese anime and WB superhero animes, just one of many gestures that have a predefined meaning--in this case, "I feel evil"--but have no real meaning.
- Pilsner Panther said...
The original source material—
Which would have been as familiar to children of the early 20th century (Chuck Jones, Tedd Pierce, and Bobe Cannon, for example) as the Harry Potter books are to today's.
I was much too young to have ever heard of the Rover Boys when I saw this cartoon for the first time, but I did know that it looked like no other cartoon I'd ever seen. Being maybe 10 years old at the time, I wasn't quite sure what I was seeing or why it was different, but it always fascinated me whenever it happened to show up on TV.
It's like, nothing is left to chance here, "limited" animation aside. You could do a detailed analysis of every single character's movements, because they all move so differently. For example, Dora Standpipe doesn't seem to have human feet, but little rollers under her dress. Who thought of that?
Dan Backslide is all extreme poses like you see in these stills, with almost no in-betweens... and we know he's evil, because he's green! Not that having a green skin has anything to do with being a villain, per se, but who else but the villain would have one?
And then there's the strange little guy who seems to have wandered in from some other cartoon, always accompanied by the old song "Strolling In The Park," which dates to around 1900, the same era as the Rover Boys books.
This cartoon is unique; it might have inspired UPA's work to some extent, but you can't say that UPA or any other studio ever did anything else like it. For that matter, neither did Warner's, ever again.
Was that because Leon Schlesinger hated it? Maybe, but he didn't quash it in production and tell the Jones unit to make a Bugs or Daffy cartoon instead, so maybe he didn't. The Disney crew could never have gotten away with making anything so radical.
"Dear old P.U.!"
- Luis said...
I don't want superman smearing behind me :(
- J C Roberts said...
Wow, I knew The Dover Boys had a lot of smears, but I didn't realize it was that many. It was an important cartoon in puhing the design envelope in it's day, which you know executives are all so fond of. They didn't make anything else quite like it during that era.
I use smears occaisonally myself, they're best left to hectic, hurried motions, as they make the character appear to be fighting against time to move faster.
One of the most important lessons I learned from your cartoons by just watching them is the strong hold poses. It made immediate sense to me that if you're doing limited/planned animation, and need to hold poses, they should be entertaining to linger on and worth holding longer. Of course, it should also match the emotion of the line or scene. If you can stagger the moving elements, such as arms or hair bounces happening while the head holds, the motion helps it keep flowing as well.
Or you could compose all your scenes like the old "Fat Albert" show. The same dame frozen heads filling up half the screen with their mouths flapping. That's a good approach too.
- Rick Roberts said...
The rumor is that Leon Schlesinger hated this cartoon, but I can't figure out why"
No it was true. Schelesinger and Warners hated the limited animation technique. They must have felt that this look was not as "smooth" as Disney or MGM and by comparison, this film would look cheap.
- Kali Fontecchio said...
Every time I watch this cartoon it cracks me up!
- thomas said...
Thanks, I, for one, haven't seen this before. The look of it is pretty unusual. Too me, it looks a little like Disney's 60's stuff; like Cruella De Ville, though I like this much more.
Seems like there are quite a few "gay 90's" themed cartoons back then. I wonder what made it so popular of a subject. I guess it was just part of the popular folklore of the time.
The Blanc voice is great. It's actually kind of painful to listen to, but that's what makes it funny.
- Mattieshoe said...
I feel like if Jones had made more cartoons where the design itself drives the ideas and the humor, he wouldn't have taken until the late forties to make his most entertaining films.
That was really the area that Jones personally excelled in, even thought it may not have been entirely appropriate for a studio like Warner Bros.
- SunshineFox said...
In the extremely short "Animation History" lecture on Chuck Jones... our instructor told us that Jones was technically fired over this cartoon, but because of the large studio lot, odd location of the tiny animation building, and hectic executive schedules to keep on top of details he managed to keep dodging the "pink slip" delivery and most of the tension was forgotten and left alone after the next cartoon came out.
No idea about the truthfulness of that, but there it is how I heard it.
- Nayantara said...
Now if that Superman cartoon was done entirely like that second- to- last frame, all blockheads, that would be great!
- bloatedsackofprotoplasm said...
I love it. Those smears are so much more fun to look at than the streaks that appear unattached from the character. I can see how someone just discovering this technique would be inclined to abuse the privilege. This clip is great.
- Rick Roberts said...
My farvorite line:
"A round-about ! I'LL STEAL IT ! NO ONE WILL EVER KNOW !"
- mike f. said...
Great analysis of an essential American classic. It's also one of those rare parodies that's become more famous than the original source material! (Who remembers The Rover Boys nowadays, except in connection with this cartoon?)
The Dover Boys is also the best UPA cartoon that UPA didn't make, and one of the most influential caroons ever produced, period. (It reportedly inspired the founders of UPA. All I can say about that is - they maybe should have studied it closer.)
The Dover Boys is actually funny. That makes all the difference...
- Mister 1-2-3-4 said...
When I first saw this, I also had the sensation that this was a very different sort of cartoon. It has an underlying feeling of creepiness that isn't usually associated with Warner Brothers. Granted, I was watching it late at night, but there is something deeply unsettling about Dan Backslide's stylized design and dramatic movements. He reminds me of Max Schreck as Nosferatu-- highly theatrical and even a bit hammy, but that only serves to make him more menacing.
- Zorrilla said...
Perfect scene! Nothing to add really.
And about Superman... now he looks like he could stop bullets! Not sure about flying though.
- John A said...
The next bit of animation has always been my favorite; when Dan pounds down shot after shot after shot at the bar and the bartender sneaks one for himself.Everything in this cartoon just kills me.
- Caleb said...
I'm reading the Chuck Jones book 'Chuck Reducks' right now, and here's something he said about the Dover Boys:
"The Dover Boys was one of the first animated parodies, and of course the distributors in New York hated it because they had never seen anything like it before. They would have refused to release the picture, but they had already paid for it, so they tried to have me fired instead. They would have succeeded, but they could find no acceptable replacement. This loathing of originality continues in television today: when something original does successfully appear, everyone imitates it, but most are afraid to do something genuinely new."
- RobochaoXX said...
My parents just told me to shut up from laughing at smears.
I've seen some of these things in the 90s Sonic The Hedgehog cartoon and Tiny Toons Adventures.
They looked terrible. Like really bad.
I know a guy named Wiley that said it would be really interesting to see Kennedy Cartoons animate Ren and Stimpy. I would've gladly told him "Hell no, man. That sounds disgusting."
They used smears like crazy and the characters bounced up and down every drawing for no apparent reason.
Batman is still bothering me like there's no tomorrow. What's wrong with him? Lol.
- Rick Roberts said...
Mike F.:
Glad your hear again buddy because I got a doozy for you on your favorite subject, the ignorace of youth.
During the Micheal Jackson tribute that recently aired, some jackass on MTV was stating that Micheal Jackson's favorite song was "Smile" by Charlie "Chapman". Yes Mike, the dimwit said "Chapman" not once but twice.
- Ardy said...
Dan Backslide looks more than a little bit like Frank Zappa.
Also, I would cite Chris Reccardi's work at Games as an example of abusing smears, mostly because they didn't even transition to another pose, they just happened out of nowhere. I'm not sure what his theory behind them was, but they always bugged the hell out of me.
- Pilsner Panther said...
Lots of great comments, fitting for such an amazing little film. I can't draw to save my life, but if I could, I'd draw something like Chuck Jones and his team did here.
What I'm good at (sort of) is written story construction and continuity, so Mr. K astonished me recently by saying that the most classic cartoons of the 30's-40'-50's had no written scripts behind them, only storyboards.
Trying to sell this storyboard to Uncle Leon must have been a bitch-and-a-half. Or, Tex Avery showing one of his absurd-crazy storyboards to MGM Producer Fred Quimby, who reportedly had no sense of humor at all.
Those money men never understood a single &%$#*!! thing about comedy or creativity, until the profits started adding up. Then they'd tell the cartoon directors, "Give me some more like that one!"
While continuing to underpay them, but that's business. Even today.
- Willem Wynand said...
love the dover boys
"a runabout, I'L STEAL IT NOONE WILL EVER KNOW!" lol
- John said...
For me this is Jones' best cartoon - that one really big smear, (just before he says 'love is money') still gets me every time!
- Larry Levine said...
Another shining example of Chuck Jones' genius.
- Iritscen said...
Yeah, now that's the stuff! And thanks for the Superman smears. I discovered smears from that show -- specifically from the episode "Knight Time", where Batman is missing and Superman fills in for him -- in his costume! This leads to a scene where "Batman" catches up to a villain with a casual burst of super-speed where he smears across the screen. I remember advancing through that with my VCR in wonder as I finally got to see what they were doing frame by frame when super-speed happened.
- John A said...
John- The line is "how I LOVE HER--father's money."
- Preston said...
What's particularly cool about the "...father's money" pose/smears/pose moment is how the smears work with the apparent "camera move." Just a couple of frames past the big smear, Dan goes partially off-camera (just his nose!) as the camera "catches up" to him. This highlights the abruptness and, more importantly, fits right into the moment's dramatic context -- the Shakespearean-style villain's "aside."
- Fabián Fucci said...
The first time I saw The Dover Boys I just couldn't believe the transitions. They were too far way original.
- Iron maiden said...
his personality reminds me of the character you made for the ripping friends man of next thursday for some reason
- Lohengrin Navarro said...
The smears "smell" good. Ha ha ha!.. ehem... sorry.
- Chickens_are_crazy said...
I saw that WB short.It's a classic.
The animation...incredible.
The comedy...hysterical.
Just brilliant.
- Alec said...
I love the old WB shorts including that one.
The Dover boys are classics.
Don't you agree?


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A new year is an exciting time for music collectors.
So begins the next 12-month gathering period of releases with a copyright of 2013; during those 12 months, a folder on my computer, my shelves of vinyl and my iPod library will swell as I budget an unrealistic amount of money that I dont have to buy music while I clear worthless releases from 2012 to make room for hundreds of new things half of which will be deemed worthless in 2014.
Each yearlong quest is part of a larger search for music that will make the 10-year plan. The plan is simple, and a great way to rid yourself of music that doesnt get played. Listen to it, then ask yourself if it will be worthy of your ears in a decade. Its not easy. Motorhead passes the test. So have Frank Zappa, Lucero, Charles Mingus, Neko Case and The Thirteens.
Gone are things like The Cure. Not that there is anything wrong with them, but theyve just been retired to the back of the rack and eventually the local thrift store, ready for some teenager to discover the 1980s joy of Head on the Door.
2013 will be a great year for new local releases. Fans of the local alt-country outfit Farmington Hill will soon be treated to their debut release. But the first new music of the new year is The Desperate Promenade, the third record from Cortezs Chuck Barry and his band, The Beautiful Loser Society.
Barry remains a working mans musician; hes the face of Stone Free Farm every Saturday in the summer at the Durango Farmers Market and also is a multi-instrumentalist who sings of white trash whiskey runners, old tractors and shotgun weddings. For Promenade, Barry handled vocals and most stringed instrument duties acoustic and electric guitars, banjo and lap steel.
He was joined on various tracks by percussionist Danny Bankston, guitarists Dale X Allen and Justin Richert, Carl Johnson on pedal steel and bassists John McHenry and Moe Cooley. They recorded at Barrys Montezuma County home studio and mixed it in Austin, Texas.
The Desperate Promenade is a textbook example of what roots and/or Americana music should be: Country rock that lyrically reflects a seedier side of America and sounds like an analog recording from 40 years ago, a gritty yet working relationship of rock and country heavy on pedal and lap steel ripe for the PBRdrinking punk crowd who appreciates classic country giants. Fans will see it as a continuation of what the band has been doing now for years, serving as a vehicle for the writing of the Mississippi-born Barry, whose literatureinspired lyrics paint portraits of a real America.
I like the sad-sack character kind of guys, the cocaine-addicted bull riders and stuff, Barry said. You think from Hank to Robert Johnson, youre not going to get out of this world alive or you have the hellhounds on your trail. Ive always been a fan of the southern literature. I like the gothic, swampy evil things.
The record is available online through CD Baby.
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Sunday, April 29, 2018 by MAS8705
Go Big or Go Home, Controls! You're Drunk!
Tuesday, April 17, 2018 by Worn_Traveler
Bill and Lance Find Eggs by the River
Sometimes improvements come in frames and not in seconds. Where's an Egg? is a case of frame based improvement and Steve 'Elipsis' Barrios has decided that his egg finding run from 2015 is just too slow. Elipsis has taken advantage of a Windows option and combined his mouse and keyboard to find Stalin's missing egg in 0:00:00, which is one frame! You've probably heard the phrase "Don't blink or you'll miss it!" and this is one of those cases. You may have trouble seeing the "blind accusation" shot input but you will certainly see the outcome. Watch as the ending cutscene takes longer than the game itself! Not even RPGs with very long endings can make that claim.
Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie Kong's Double Trouble, like its two SNES predecessors, has a GBA port that expands the game by adding a minigame or two and another world, along with a completely different soundtrack by David Wise. Small changes have been made to the mechanics as well, which is demonstrated in this River Race run. Jordan 'Greenalink' Greener shows us the difference in the way the game handles the race timer and beats Brash Bear's race record in 0:00:10.50. The main difference here is that the race timer stops and stays that way. Brash Bear never had a chance.
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Ikaried Away to Oblivion on a Dreamboat Boat
Sunday, February 4, 2018 by Worn_Traveler
Buggy Soul Cards
'AntonioPeremin' has submitted a lot of runs to SDA over the last year and we are proud to present improvements to two runs. Both are in the Yu-Gi-Oh! series and feature fast card action. Yu-Gi-Oh! Power of Chaos: Joey the Passion is one of three Power of Chaos games. Antonio has taken his 0:55 and lowered it down to 0:00:49. This is accomplished through better luck with the paper-scissors-rock bout and another small optimization of playing without any sound effects or music. Antonio does the same in Yu-Gi-Oh! Power of Chaos: Kaiba the Revenge, closely related. This bout used to take 2:03 but now takes 0:01:37. Both runs are easy to follow even if you are not familiar with Yu-Gi-Oh! so make sure to give these a watch.
'Tigger77' has been around for a while. I was lucky to meet and hang out with him at the first AGDQ. We now have a new game on our games list thanks to him. Soul Calibur II joins the near 1300 other games that we have a run for. Tigger uses Voldo to slash, stab, and ring out his opponents in 0:00:47.48. This run is single-segment, arcade mode, and played on easy mode. As of this writing, it is one of the fastest known runs in these categories utilizing Voldo. It's a bit cheesy but so are some croissants.
We've got an improvement for Bugdom 2 so get ready for some insectoid out-of-bounds adventuring. 'Newtmanking' has decided that finding Skip's (the game's main character) knapsack in 17:09 was no longer acceptable after someone beat his time and has now recovered the knapsack and stopped the bees in 0:15:34, eschewing walls in the process to victory. I was not familiar with this game prior to watching the run for this update and I was surprised by the variety of the levels and objectives in this game. Check this one out.
Someone asked about how you can both stream and record locally so the stream has splits and your running commentary etc. but the local recording is clean. This can be done at least in OBS. Instructions for separate audio recording. As for the video, just make sure nothing is overlayed directly onto the game itself and it can later be cropped for an SDA submission.
Saturday, December 23, 2017 by MAS8705
Karting and Clobbering
While it is great to see an improvement, sometimes you have to wonder to yourself, "How would it be to do all the tracks without worrying about a blue shell coming from behind you?" This was a thought expressed by 'UchihaMadao' when he decided to submit a second run for Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. When you don't have to worry about anything coming from behind, you can be much more efficient with your final time. At a final time of 1:27:56, it definitely is impressive at how much time can be saved when items are turned off. There were still a few missteps such as missing a few shortcuts, but for the most part, this is still a well-executed run through all 48 tracks.
When it comes to River City Ransom, it can be best described, as how 'yelsraek' put it: One Big Boss Rush. It's one thing for you to get to where you need to be to beat down some thugs, but another for everyone to be right where you want them to be when you get there. One prime example was having the brothers in the warehouse spawn at a specific point and using the crate to attack them from the other side of the wall. It was with this and other careful planning that the run saw an improvement by over a minute at 0:06:38.
Monday, November 27, 2017 by Worn_Traveler
The Roman Scroll of Chameleons
Improvement has always been a tenable object that many have striven for over the course of history. These improvements come either in the form of efficiency or qualitative thought, but rarely together. Oh wait, that was my lecture from a class I just taught. Anyways, speedruns are meant to be improved on and 'AntonioPeremin' decided that he did not conquer Thracia and other ancient civilizations fast enough in Rome: Total War. 'AntonioPeremin' has gone back to virtual Europe and Asia and led the armies to victory in 0:02:47 on the easy difficulty. This is an improvement of 24 seconds from the previous run. The action is fast in this one so pay attention or you may miss the intricacies of battle logistics.
Rewriting the historic face of the world is not enough for Antonio though. He has returned to the world of The Elder Scrolls, this time to The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. He disembarks from the boat, gets his parole papers, and proceeds to kill a god in a blistering 0:03:15. Normally Morrowind involves beating many missions, constant travel, and waylaying people for boots of blinding speed (well, I do at least) and maybe even some tree climbing. If you haven't watched an Any% Morrowind run for a while, you will certainly want to watch this one. Not only does this run beat the former published run here by over a minute but this run is the current WR at the time I am typing this.
Journey, Motley Crue, Kiss, and Aerosmith: Their music has been featured in video games. Now we may add Jerry Paper to the list. Paper is a philosopher/musician and you can read more about him here. Chameleon World is a surreal experience of a game and even in a normal play through things do not always make sense. Sequence breaking the game causes that "reality" to shatter even more. 'dogia900' breaks on through to the other side in 0:18:19.This game features talking frogs, a chameleon dressed as a clown, some wonky jumping physics, and a bottle bearing frog. Is this a synthesis of different mediums coming together to unify as a whole or a dream/nightmare simulator? Watch and decide.
Saturday, October 21, 2017 by MAS8705
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Starting things off, we have a game that lets you build your very own racing vehicle. It also gives you the choice between racing as an Astronaut or a Pirate. Lego Racers came out at a time when racing games were a dime a dozen. One feature in the game was the ability to use boosting power-ups to warp past courses and finish races faster. As it turns out, you can actually earn better times if you warp at specific parts of the track while power sliding in the more tighter parts of the course. A tactic used-well by 'Greycatmon' who improved the times for all 12 tracks in Time Race at a combined time of 0:16:43.87. I wonder what the chances are that Lego would want to make another racing game in the future? It feels like we are long overdue for a sequel.
When you think of a long-running RPG series, the first game that might come to mind would be Final Fantasy. But did you know that the 2nd longest running Eastern RPG is Ys? Ys II: Ancient Ys Vanished - The Final Chapter had a unique system where you can "bump" your enemies until they fall over dead. The sequel expanded the game further by introducing a magic system that allowed for more options in fights and exploration. By running directly into danger and monsters,Jeff 'Korzic' David achieved a final time of 1:04:18. Of course when it comes to Ys, there's a lot more to the game than running into your foes and see who gets knocked down first. Be sure to listen in to the audio commentary provided by Korzic.
The last of our runs today is a sandbox game based on one of the most influential films of all time: The Godfather. The game itself was so big at the time, it had five different versions. The Godfather: The Don's Edition on PS3 made use of the SIXAXIS controls to help throw people against walls or off rooftops. It can be a lot of fun to recreate various scenes out of the film and to shake down local businesses for your protection. In the case of 'Soliduz Znake', he decided to take a more direct approach in helping the Corleones take over New York City. At a time of 3:02:36, this single-segmented run comes in at a couple of minutes more than the original film itself and improving on his previously submitted segmented run.
That's all the time we have for today. Be sure to watch these great runs and stay tuned with us here at Speed Demos Archive for more fantastic Speed Runs!
The arduous and longitudinal analysis is complete; the results from the grand speedrunning survey of 2017 are in. They will be announced and picked apart on the Twitch stream of tonic, the head of the team whose initiative this whole shebang was. This is happening this Sunday at 6PM EDT. Check here to see when that is for you.
Friday, October 13, 2017 by LotBlind
Don't Tell Her Your Name, Kimmy!adidas
Ledge Skip ahead a bit now. In most action games, the guy's motivation is to get the girl back. The hero charges into the building, carries her out in his arms, Laser down on the grass... not the case here though. So what do you get from a good orange tree? Good RNGs. Now that I've brought up food, the Nesting to mention is good table manners. Elbows off the table, empty your plate and don't Gargoyle. Besides what's demonstrated in the 0:12:11 run on easy, there's various kinds of lag management: fly overnight, avoid stimulants, pre-adjust sleep cycle... And just Rest. Someone rattling their Doritos? Don't worry, a peaceful time will come! 'TheDrifter18' is the runner here, the Star of the show. Wait, "Star"? Oh, that must have leaked over from...
Ristar! (You can leave the [self-]loathing to me BTW.) Right, so here's one we desperately need to vivisect: Rise-Star? Rising Star? An up-and-comer? I wonder if this star feature was aware of his grim prospects around the Japanese launch of February '95? His authors at the Sonic Team (presumably those who made Sonic but what do I know...) decked domestic shelves with a game by the extended title of Ristar the Shooting Star... and there verily are no parts two or three – "for various reasons" says one of the directors. That's as hilariously self-fulfillingly ironic as they get, guys, despite some re-releases and mostly flattering reviews.
In-game you control what's effectively both a "rise" and a "fall" star with Bionic Commando arms and a propensity to head-butt (a word with hardly a synonym; "pate-smack" will throw people off in a fight though). If you can see through the characteristic elements of other 16-bit platformers, the feel is of a more puzzle-oriented game that apparently doesn't faze the casuals but certainly will the ambitious lot that is us folk. Skilful maneuvers abound (the game even gives you a so-called "technical bonus"!) and again we must beseech Lady Fortune for further expedition. 'Chubbus'' is an improvement of 42 seconds over a run you saw in 2009, so you have no excuses for skipping it (and the 0:28:05 run doesn't need any!).
When it's time to show 'n' tell, some kids go for cool points with like a toy lightsaber, or their pet frog Honda. Or clever points if they were given the letter 'U' and they brought a flashlight, pointed it at themselves and smugly announced "Umbra!". That one overlaps with the easygoing-no-future points which you get for an article of clothing you'd normally be wearing anyway, or the book you just finished reading... aloud... with the whole class. Then there's sheer provocation. Flags, banners, manifestos, religious insignia, poetry and a fake Hitler moustache (or, well, a real one) would all fall into this category, slightly depending on where exactly events are taking place. Now we're talking about case Michael 'arglefumph' Gray and the sobering discussion we need to have with their parents over the Detective Barbie 2: Vacation Mystery they pulled out in front of everyone.
While today they may have just groggily (and I realize I've inadvertently made argle's family sound like they're all alcoholics, which wouldn't surprise me at all actually) picked up the wrong item off the table in a rush having overslept, if we examine his records, an alarming trend will leap out like a crouching cheetah. While it started innocuous enough with Nancy Drew, that stalwart defender of justice who's 5% sugar and spice and 95% moral fiber, we started treading dangerous waters with The Pagemaster... and now this?! Look at her! She doesn't even blink! The others blink, why does she not blink?! Why is there always a beach? Why is Ken such a surfer dude? What is everyone's substitute for food? Please somebody take action, I implore you! IsraeliRD, who was in class at the time, has this to say: "I wanted to mute it within a minute of just listening, and was really sick of it as it kept going." One of the kids pulled their cellphone out and managed to capture this 0:11:21 footage that has already been delivered to the authorities.
Friday, September 29, 2017 by Worn_Traveler
Fly, Skip, and a Hop
My brother and I have spent countless hours in the Might and Magic universe, primarily in the first three Heroes of Might and Magic games. We return to Enroth in Might and Magic VIII: Day of the Destroyer in order to figure out why there's a giant crystal in the middle of a city. 'Snabel' gives us a quick tour through the game and the various elemental areas in 0:14:13 using segments and deaths to end the Day of the Destroyer quickly, as the previous run has done. Snabel does so almost three minutes faster than the previous run.
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is probably supposed to take many hours to beat. Like its brethren in The Elder Scrolls series though, Oblivion has its share of exploits and glitches that allow for quick completion of an otherwise lengthy journey. Without a good understanding of the game's mechanics, one might wonder about the structural integrity of the prison the player starts in. 'AntonioPeremin' utilizes large-skip glitches and a save/load or two to push the time down to 0:03:49. For those of you who are worried about missing out on hearing Patrick Stewart in the run, fear not: He is still here.
Rabi-Ribi is a fairly new game and is new to SDA. I haven't played it yet but after watching the run of it, I'll definitely be doing so. The game seems to be more complex than it first appears and the developers have even included a speedrun mode. 'triblast55' hops through the speedrun/postgame mode of this 2D exploration plaformer meets bullet hell boss game in 2:46:43.76. This is a casual difficulty low% run so get comfy and enjoy going down this rabbit hole with no items. Low% runs always present greater challenges in terms of survival and this run does not fail in that regard.


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Shawnee Police Department and Gordon Cooper Technology Center were honored as Partners in Progress during a ceremony at the state Capitol Tuesday morning.
Shawnee Police Department and Gordon Cooper Technology Center were honored as Partners in Progress during a ceremony at the state Capitol Tuesday morning.
Guest speakers included Speaker of the House T.W. Shannon, Senate President Pro Tempore Brian Bingman, and Lt. Governor Todd Lamb.
Businesses and organizations across the state that partner with area technology centers are honored each year by the Oklahoma Association of Technology Centers. Shawnee Police Department and Gordon Cooper Technology Center enjoy a strong working partnership that benefits both organizations.
Shawnee Police Department provides training at Gordon Cooper Technology Center for local officers and officers across the state. The presence of officers in uniform and marked cars on campus is a security benefit for Gordon Cooper Technology Center.
"Through this partnership we have created a hub of law enforcement training for this region," Shawnee Police Chief Russell Frantz said.
Shawnee Police Department's law enforcement training center at GCTC features an emergency driving simulator and a use of force simulator. The interactive video systems run various scenarios used to train officers to react faster and better under pressure.
Additionally, Shawnee Police Department conducts a variety of training classes including self-defense, taser use, search warrant and affidavit writing, firearms maintenance, and supervisor liability.
Last summer, Shawnee Police Department and state law enforcement agencies used the GCTC campus as an assembly point and base of operations for a countywide raid on various methamphetamine operations. One hundred officers made 45 arrests and brought suspects back to the base at GCTC for interrogation and processing. The raid was the largest of its kind in county history.
SPD and Gordon Cooper Technology Center continue to seek innovative ways to enhance regional security training through this partnership, GCTC Superintendent Marty Lewis said.


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Qimmik wrote:ἔχθρα δὲ πρὸς αὐτὸν ἦν αὐτῷ --
I think it's clear that in καὶ χρήματά ποτε αἰτήσας αὑτὸν οὐ τυχὼν τὴν ἔχθραν οἱ προθοῖτο,
the understood subject is H., and αὑτὸν and οἱ refer to T., since T. wouldn't have asked H. for money. The referent of αἰτήσας must be the subject of προθοῖτο, and that must be H. Therefore ἔχθραν is H.'s hostility towards T. I think that in ἔχθρα δὲ πρὸς αὐτὸν ἦν αὐτῷ, it's the same ἔχθρα as at the end of the sentence, and it must also be that of H. towards T. Thus, αὐτῷ refers to H. and πρὸς αὐτὸν to T.
H. harbors a grievance towards T. because H. asked T. for money and T. wouldn't give it. You don't hold a grudge against someone you refuse to give money to when asked--you hold a grudge against someone who refuses to give you money when you ask for it.
pster wrote:John, sorry that I am late to your party. I'm still brooding over kai. But Hornblower reads it: "now Tissaphernes had a grudge against Hermokrates ever since they quarrelled about the payment of the sailors and when afterwards he had been bainshed from Syracuse" ie after the events of ch. 45.
I have to do a few things but will try and read through what you and Qimmik have come up with when I get back.
Qimmik wrote:In what immediately precedes the quoted passage from 8.85, we're told that Hermocrates was going to expose Tissaphernes for acting against Lacedaemonian interests and playing both sides. So it looks to me like ἔχθρα δὲ πρὸς αὐτὸν ἦν αὐτῷ αἰεί ποτε περὶ τοῦ μισθοῦ τῆς ἀποδόσεως is an explanation for Hermocrates' actions--his grudge against Tissaphernes, not the other way around.
πολλῷ ἔτι μᾶλλον seems to me to refer back to Tissaphernes sending his representative to Mindarus to bad-mouth the Milesians and tell his side of the story, with the implication that Tissaphernes was impugning Hermocrates' behavior along with that of the Milesians, or does φυγάδι ὄντι ἤδη suggest that the fact that Hermocrates was now an exile gave Tissaphernes the opportunity to slander Hermocrates much more vehemently? (But is Hermocrates coming to Mindarus along with the contingent of Milesians?)
Again, I think that it makes more sense for Hermocrates to bear a grudge against Tissaphernes for paying Hermocrates' men less than what they and Hermocrates wanted, than for Tissaphernes to bear a grudge against Hermocrates for demanding more money.
Qimmik wrote:"Tissaphernes' allegation about Hermocrates' demanding money from him is a pure fabrication"
I think it may be a deliberately misleading distortion of Hermocrates' dissatisfaction with the pay cuts, framed in a way to suggest that Hermocrates was seeking money for personal reasons.
I see your point about πολλῷ ἔτι μᾶλλον -- it might refer to a pre-exsisting ἔχθρα of Tissaphernes. But it might be a reference back to the self-justification Tissaphernes' agent is supposed to convey to Mindarus, which would include Tissaphernes' complaints about Hermocrates' hostility. And I think it also might mean that now that Hermocrates was an exile, he was more vulnerable, and Tissaphernes could slander him all the more.
Qimmik wrote:Having only read part of the passage in question, I thought that the Milesians, along with Hermocrates, as well as Gaulites, went to Mindarus, Astyochus' successor as commander of the Spartan fleet, to plead their case, not to Astyochus (despite αὐτῷ being closer to Astyochus than to Mindarus in the passage that precedes the quoted passage)--why would they go to Astyochus, who had been relieved of command? But reading further, I see that Astyochus, the Milesians and Hermocrates all went to Lacedaemon together, and presumably Gaulites went there, too.
At 8.43, Tissaphernes' anger seems to be directed at Lichias, not Hermocrates, doesn't it?
Qimmik wrote:Anger was perhaps a posture assumed by someone negotiating from a position of strength, though Thucydides doesn't seem to say or imply that.
pster wrote:It is a tricky sentence. I think that the Hornblower interpretation is preferrable because: 1) Tissaphernes' mental state has already been described in more vivid terms than Hermocrates' (the rage at 8.43); 2) Tissaphernes was probably also still mad about Hermacrates not going along with the bribery plan; 3) most importantly, in 8.85, we have already had a description of Hermocrates' motives (he was upset with Tissaphernes' double dealing) and so at this moment, it seems more likely that it is Tissaphernes' motives that are being described.
But I'll look more in depth tomorrow.
pster wrote:I'm unmoved by the τὴν ἔχθραν repetition.
-T is trying to turn the tables. Best defense is a good offense: I don't hold a grudge against him, he holds one against me kind of thing.
-The οἱ is I guess called for by the grammar alone, but seems to make explicit this kind of turning of the tables.
-However that may be, neither man likes the other and ἔχθραν is an extremely general term that seems to apply to both. If it were a more specific passion, then this line would be much more persuasive.
-Until he is exiled (a pretty common thing in Sicilian politics--Syracuse had banishment like Athens did), H is basking in the glow of his victories in Sicily, standing up for better pay for his men. T, on the other hand, has already been described as irrascible and rage prone. That inclines me to think that the main ἔχθραν in play is in himself and his accusations.
I'm glad you brought this up again, as I forgot to mention it earlier just before. Not just playing devil's advocate.
John W. wrote:I'm still inclined (though my view may change!) to take τὴν ἔχθραν οἱ προθοῖτο as Tissaphernes' (disingenuous) explanation
Qimmik wrote:John, my edition has the same two errors in volume 3. In the second instance, I too have the same small vertical stroke below the line but the rest of the rho, as well as part of the following alpha, is missing.
pster wrote:John, believe it or not--and I don't blame you if you don't!--I have finally, twenty plus months after beginning this thread, started reading Thucydides in earnest. Vocabulary cards have been made, Polybius project has been completed, and I have blocked out 1hr per day for however many years it takes to get to the end of Book VIII. I am happy for you that you are finishing up your translation, but I do hope you will be around to answer some of my random questions.
I noticed a remark of Hornblower's to the effect that Hobbes very rarely makes mistakes. Did you find that to be true? And is that new Cambridge translation something I must have?
Qimmik wrote:This is a very frequent idiomatic use of φαίνομαι. With a present participle, it can sometimes be translated as "clearly" or "obviously".
Qimmik wrote:I think that φαίνομαι + infinitive suggests things aren't necessarily as they seem.
φαίνομαι + participle suggests that things are as they seem, but I'm not completely sure as to the choice between "clearly," "manifestly," versus "evidently," "apparently". As to current circumstances, I think that it is more likely to mean "clearly," but with events in the remote past, as in Th. 1.3, where Th. didn't have direct knowledge, "evidently" or "it appears that" seems more appropriate than "it is clear that". So it seems to me that your translations of both passages are correct.
Qimmik wrote:We probably shouldn't get too caught up in fine distinctions between English words--again, the core meaning of the Greek is "the Greeks are not shown to have achieved . . . " And the most important point is that he's not suggesting that there is a possibility that the Greeks did in fact, contrary to appearances, achieve something in common before the Trojan War. Here absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
In my translation of 1.3.1, I think 'evidently' - referring to Thucydides' conclusion based on the available evidence of the past - is appropriate, whereas the stronger 'manifestly' sits better at 8.97.2, where he is talking (in positive terms) of events in his own lifetime.


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It's been four years and a day since one of the more memorable sports days in the life of many Philadelphians: the world championship parade down Broad Street, celebrating the city's first title in a quarter century.
The Phillies have gone backward in each season since and to use words like "stagnant" and "complacent" to describe the team and their core players isn't exactly uncharted territory.
And that's probably why any thoughts of reconstructing the Phillies roster for the 2013 season with players from the 2008 team who have since departed might sound counterproductive or a tad crazy.
An influx of new blood – young players on the rise who haven't won before – is often the more acceptable way to improve a roster.
But three former Phillies who became free agents this week wouldn't look that terrible in red pinstripes again if the price is right.
At least in the case of Shane Victorino, it's not just if the price is right but also if other, possibly more intriguing options turn out to be bad fits (read: asking for more money than they are worth).
For the first time in his career, Victorino, who turns 32 at the end of the month, is a free agent.
Victorino's maddening approach at the plate makes him a somewhat unlikely fit for a Phillies offense that is trying to change its ways. After getting traded to the Los Angeles Dodgers at the trade deadline, Victorino hit .245 with a .316 on-base percentage in the final 53 games of the 2012 season.
On a whole, it was Victorino's worst season since becoming a major league regular. His batting average (.255), on-base percentage (.321), slugging percentage (.383) and OPS (.704) were all career lows.
With that said, Victorino is also just one year removed from his best season, when he hit .279 with an .847 OPS, 16 triples, 17 home runs and 95 runs.
Angel Pagan might be the hotter name right now. Michael Bourn is clearly a sexier name. And Josh Hamilton is the best name.
But in getting-your-bang-for-your-buck department, Victorino, a plus defender, wouldn't be the worst thing to end up with in center field for 2013 if he would accept a one or two-year deal.
Brett Myers became a free agent for the second time in four years when the Chicago White Six wisely rejected a $10 million club option on his contract this week. Myers got a pretty nice parting gift on the way out: a $3 million buyout.
Although it seems like he's been around forever, Myers is just 32 years-old: younger than Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee and Carlos Ruiz.
After converting 19 of 21 save chances for the Houston Astros before being traded to Chicago, Myers might look for a closer's role on the open market. If there's a team willing to give him closer's money, then by all means he should sign on the dotted line.
But that's not likely to happen.
As last winter showed, fewer teams are willing to overspend for closers. Jonathan Papelbon and Heath Bell are the only relievers who got guaranteed, multi-year deals to be closers. (And Bell, who has been traded since, was an unmitigated disaster.)
The team with the best record in baseball in 2012, the Washington Nationals, turned to Tyler Clippard when Drew Storen was injured and they got an effective season out of Clippard, who had never been a closer before. Three of final four teams left standing also ended the season without the closer they began with (San Francisco, New York Yankees, Detroit).
With that said, perhaps Myers' best move is to forgo a one-year tryout as a closer somewhere for the security of a multi-year deal in another role. After joining the White Sox in the middle of the summer, Myers was effective as a setup man in front of closer Addison Reed.
Perhaps Myers could be outfitted for a similar role with the Phillies, a team in need of a veteran eighth-inning arm. An aside: would there be a bullpen with more personality at the backend than a possible Jacksonville duo of Papelbon and Myers?
It also might not be the worst thing in the world to have a pitcher on the roster who could potentially be thrown back into a starter's role if injuries arise.
Of course a more intriguing free agent reliever is Myers' old buddy, Ryan Madson. The 32-year-old Madson hasn't thrown a pitch in a major league game in 13 months, since he threw the final 14 pitches for the Phillies in Game 5 of the NLDS against the St. Louis Cardinals two Octobers ago.
After being a victim of the aforementioned tough closer's market last winter, settling for a one-year deal with Cincinnati, Madson blew out his elbow in spring training and missed the entire 2012 season recovering from Tommy John surgery. Earlier this week, Madson declined his $11 million mutual option with the Reds, taking a $2.5 million buyout and a chance to test the free agent waters for a second straight offseason.
According to Jon Heyman of cbssports.com, Madson and his agent, Scott Boras, are seeking a closer's job. But as both found out last year, the perfect deal might not be out there.
With Madson coming off a major injury, and factoring in that most teams will almost certainly continue to be reluctant to overpay for a closer, it's difficult to see how Madson gets anything better than the one-year deal he received from the Reds last January. Perhaps returning to a comfort zone in Philly for a year, setting up for Papelbon, would help re-establish his value as a major league reliever and help him finally score the long-term, closer contract he wants this time next winter.
Reconstructing the roster of the 2008 Phillies is not the way to win again. But considering one or all three of the names above isn't crazy talk, either.
In the end, Madson makes the most sense – if he's willing to take a setup job. He's also the name the Phillies are most likely to pursue.
But the fact that he declined to return to Cincinnati for that role likely means Madson and Boras will once again wait out the market for as long as possible to find a closer's job.
Free agents can start signing with new teams on Saturday.


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Taunton police reported responding to four overdoses on Saturday. On Sunday night, city officials and the district attorney's office will hold a forum about the high number of heroin overdoses in the community.
As Taunton's city government, police and the Bristol County district attorney prepare to hold a forum tonight night about the high number of heroin overdoses in the community recently, the public health epidemic showed no signs of stopping over the weekend.
Taunton police reported responding to four overdoses on Saturday alone.
Two of the overdoses happened at the same 40 Tremont St. Rear apartment on Saturday morning. Taunton police said they initially responded to calls of an overdose at the building, when a second person was found suffering from an overdose at the location.
Later on in the day, Taunton police commented about the Saturday morning overdose calls on Facebook and remarked on the pattern of increased heroin calls dating back to the beginning of the year. Without identifying the address in the post, Police said they have actually responded to the 40 Tremont St. Rear apartment five times over three days last week for overdoses.
"This morning we were clearing an overdose at the apartment when someone else went down," the message said. "When will this stop?"
Taunton Police Sgt. Kevin Medas confirmed that three of the visits last week were for the same man. The first trip to the apartment last week was on Wednesday for an unconscious man who was injected with Narcan, a drug that reverses the effects of overdoses, after paramedics arrived. The same thing happened with a woman at the location the next day.
Based on previous police statements and a count of documented suspected overdose calls, Taunton police have responded to 48 suspected overdoses in the city this year, which they say is a dramatic increase from the amount they were responding to last year. That included at least four suspected overdose deaths in the city in 2014 thus far.
Taunton Police Chief Ed Walsh has previously linked the recent high rate of overdoses to a potent form of heroin and heroin tainted with Fentanyl, a strong painkiller typically used in a hospital setting.
On Saturday, there were also calls for drug overdoses in the afternoon in the parking lot of St. John's Episcopal Church on Bay Street and late at night at 34 Pine St.
Today, Taunton Mayor Thomas Hoye Jr., the Taunton Police Department and Bristol County District Attorney Sam Sutter's Office are holding a "Community Discussion on Combating the Abuse of Heroin" at 6 p.m. at Friedman Middle School, 500 Norton Ave., in Taunton. Members of the public are encouraged to attend the meeting to discuss their concerns and ideas about the heroin problem and the overdose epidemic taking place in the city.
A representative for Sutter previously said that the district attorney hopes to bring heightened attention to the situation and help spur education about the overdose issue.
"We are really hopeful something comes out of this," said Gregg Miliote, a spokesman for Bristol County District Attorney Sam Sutter. "More attention and better education, is really the key here."


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Bulldog coach Matt Woodley encouraged by effort in 70-67 loss.
Young teams need time to find their way.
For the Truman State Bulldogs, their way may have been found in Wednesday night's final 14 minutes.
With a lineup for two freshmen, two sophomores and a junior, the Bulldogs raced back from a 10-point hole and got within one point before falling short against Upper Iowa at Pershing Arena, 70-67.
It was the team's second loss - both at home - to open the season, but head coach Matt Woodley left the gym encouraged by what he saw. Woodley ran out a lineup of true freshmen Cory Myers and Cole Myers, sophomores Seth Jackson and Tyler Anderson and junior Mike Carlson to spark a spirited comeback effort in the second half.
"I think I found something with that lineup," Woodley said. "Those guys proved to me they are the five guys that play the hardest, that would do the execution."
The Bulldogs flipped a 49-39 deficit into a near victory thanks to a strong defensive effort, offensive execution and care for the basketball. Truman didn't turn the ball over in the final 14 minutes after giving it away nine times in the previous 26, and forced Upper Iowa into seven turnovers during that span.
Truman (0-2 overall) was down 56-47 with 6:51 to go before Carlson and Jackson each hit a pair of free throws around a three-pointer by Cole Myers.
Later, with Upper Iowa leading 63-59, Jackson hit a runner and the Bulldog defense forced a turnover with 40 seconds left. Myers drove hard to the basket and drew a foul, but hit just 1-of-2 at the line with 31.5 remaining to make it 63-62.
Truman sent Upper Iowa to the line on its next two possessions and the Peacocks were perfect to hold their lead.
Down 68-64, Carlson drained a three with 2.4 seconds to go to give Truman hope. Upper Iowa's Jake Hughes drained both free throws, and Carlson stepped out of bounds while attempting a three-quarter-court desperation shot to end the game.
The Bulldogs will look back at the game as one they let get away at the free throw line, where they made just 11-of-22. Upper Iowa wasn't much better, at 14-of-23, but the three shots accounted for the difference on the scoreboard.
Truman shot just 44 percent from the field in the first half and Upper Iowa head coach Brian Dolan credited his team's defensive effort. He said the teams run similar offensive systems, giving the Peacocks an idea of what they were looking for.
"We knew we had to win this game on the defensive end," Dolan said.
Carlson led Truman with his second 20-plus scoring game of the season, with 20 points and a team-high nine rebounds.
"He's playing with a lot of confidence right now," Woodley said.
The Bulldogs also got a solid bounceback game from Jackson, who was limited by foul trouble in the opener. He scored 17 points and dished out four assists.
"He's bought in," Woodley said. "What I saw out of Seth tonight is what I expect out of him every night."
Anderson had seven rebounds. Cole Myers had 10 points.
Sam Elgin led Upper Iowa with 16 points and seven rebounds.
Truman visits Indiana State for an exhibition game Saturday before returning to regular season play Monday at home against Central Christian College.


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Delaware Robbery Arrests
Dover, Del. — State Police are investigating the robbery of a South Dover liquor store that occurred yesterday evening.
The incident occurred at approximately 10 p.m. as two suspects, one armed with a handgun, entered the Airport Discount Liquors located at 1148 South Bay Road. The duo confronted a 49-year-old employee and a 47-year-old employee and demanded money. The employees complied and turned over an undisclosed amount of cash before the suspects fled from the business on foot. Neither of the employees was injured in this incident.
Anyone with any information is asked to contact the Troop 3 Criminal Investigations Unit at (302) 697-2104. Citizens may also provide a tip by texting keyword "DSP" plus your message to 274637 (CRIMES), or through lines maintained by Delaware Crime Stoppers at (800) TIP-3333.
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The UN General Assembly has voted 138 votes to nine in favour of granting Palestine non-member observer status ("Canada votes against PA statehood bid," Dec. 6). Part of Palestine is Gaza, which is controlled by the recognized terrorist group, Hamas. How many of the 138 nations would have voted in favour of Palestine had they been subjected to thousands of rockets being aimed at a portion of their civilian population on a daily basis for months and months leading up to the vote? I would have thought that such belligerence would be a bar to any type of UN membership rather than a ticket for admission. Now Palestine can be admitted as a member of the UN Human Rights Council, that bastion of human rights, with such members as Syria, Libya, China and Cuba.
The Palestinian Authority has been steadfast in its refusal to meet with Israel to pursue peace, notwithstanding Israel's position that it will do so anytime anywhere without preconditions. Perhaps, now that it is a member, the United Nations can assert its authority and push the Palestinians to meet and pursue negotiations, which hopefully will lead to a two-state solution.
Bert Raphael
Thornhill, Ont.
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UN vote on Palestinian status (2)
I just printed a list of countries that voted no, abstained and voted yes to a Palestinian bid for non-member UN status ("Why they stood with Israel," Dec. 6). Sadly, more countries didn't have the guts to say no, but at least 41 had the guts to abstain. In this day and age, when everyone is afraid of Muslim retaliation, they were brave. All I have to say is when Jews are planning vacations, charity donations, or feel they want to help the underprivileged, they should check this list before they decide where they want to spend their dollars.
I'm not surprised by the 138 countries that voted yes. Most of them were Arab countries and many were African. Ireland and South Africa don't surprise me, either, because they are pro-Palestinian. But I was surprised that Austria, Denmark, Japan, Italy, bankrupt Greece and Switzerland voted yes.
As I write this, Ireland is planning, as I am sure other countries are, too, a boycott of Israel, so I say Boycott, Boycott, Boycott. They are doing it to us, so we can do it to them! I buy Israeli-made products whenever I can.
Linda R. Goldman
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West Bank construction
Israel's plans to construct 3,000 more homes in the West Bank is not in Israel's own long-term best interests. This construction activity will block east Jerusalem from the rest of the West Bank, making it less economically viable. This announcement has put Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas into an impossible situation, in which he will be unable to negotiate with Israel on a possible peace agreement. It will embolden militant Palestinians to give up talking to Israel and to resort to violence or to appealing to the UN for recognition. Canada's Foreign Minister John Baird said, in the context of the recent Palestinian UN motion, "This [construction] will not advance the cause of peace or spur a return to negotiations."
Israel Lyon, Chair
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Iron Dome miracle
Ari Sacher's letter ("Open letter of gratitude," Dec. 6) of how the Tel Aviv anti-missile system, the Iron Dome, was set up and within hours downed an incoming missile, ranks right up there with all the other miracles of Jewish history.
Edward J. Farkas


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Why are some transitions so difficult? Changing jobs and relationships are high on the list in terms of stress, and moving to a new location can be a complete bear. I know Im not alone in my dislike of this activity.
On the other hand, some transitions can be amazing, such as graduation from high school.
Perhaps its the change in routine and loss of familiarity that comes with transitions that so unsettling. For instance, we know where our coffee is stored, we know exactly where the grinder is and can brew a cup in no time. This is not always the case after moving.
We dont remember where the coffee is packed, so it takes extra time to even get prepared to make, what was before, that easy morning cup. We find that weve lost many of the little things we could count on in the past. I recently moved, and I can tell you that is true from my experience.
The good news is that we do adapt and overcome these challenges of transition. However, it does take some internal motivation for this to work. My motivation for coffee allowed me to make it a priority, and Im happy to report coffee is being made at my house again. Turns out this goal was important enough that I was able to accomplish it in pretty short order. But without internal motivation, it would have been much more difficult.
Internal motivation is a powerful ally in the process of any transition. Take snowboarding, for example. My first experience on a snowboard was filled with falling and embarrassment. I couldnt even get off the chairlift without tumbling. My tolerance for this steep learning curve was ultimately short-lived, and I went back to skiing the next day. At that point in my life, I had no interest in learning this new skill; especially because I had been a proficient skier for many years. Although snowboarding was the hip thing to do, I really didnt have the internal drive to learn it. Thus, I have snowboarded just once in my life.
Now, consider the transition from using drugs and alcohol to not using. For many people with addictions, the internal motivation to stop using and remain clean can be hard to maintain.
We go through points of strong motivation to change and times when our internal drive is less. Add the physical dependency that can develop along with the psychological addiction, and our prospects for change dont seem good at times. This is why it is so important to also find help from others when we need it.
Fortunately, our community has support for sobriety. Self-help groups such as Alcoholics Anonymous meet frequently and professional assistance is readily available. So, if youre ready, I encourage you to get started today ... while your internal motivation and interest in change is the strongest.
Mark White is a special contributor for Axis Health System. Axis Health System can be reached at 259-2162.


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A Durango woman appears to have committed suicide by overdosing on prescription pills in the sprawling parking lot outside Walmart.
Pamela Beckert, 54, was reported missing and possibly suicidal Jan. 16 by her roommate, said Investigator Burke Baldwin, with the Durango Police Department.
She was found dead Jan. 22 in a red Jeep parked in a remote area of the parking lot north of Walmart, he said. Police found an empty prescription bottle in the car, and Beckert had a history of attempted suicide by pills, Baldwin said.
There were no signs of trauma or foul play.
The results of an autopsy are pending.
Beckert made news in 2008 while working as a security guard at Planned Parenthood in Durango.
A Pagosa Springs man was protesting the nonprofits abortion services when his sign blew across the property line. The man ran onto the property to chase the sign, and a physical encounter ensued between him and Beckert.
Beckert suffered head, neck, back, ankle and shoulder injuries.
A jury convicted the protester of trespassing and assault.