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Alex Jones prétend combattre le nouvel ordre mondial... Pourtant son combat est motivé, comme le B'nai Brith (ces promoteurs de premier plan du nouvel ordre mondial), par la mémoire de l'Holocauste!
Sunday, 11 September 2011
The Holocaust and the "new world order"
photo found in a 1986 Montreal newspaper here
Ian J. Kagendan, of the Canadian Jewish Congress, and B'nai B'rith Canada
(an institution founded in NYC in 1843 by Jewish Freemasons), told us back in 1991
"Memory of the Holocaust is central to the new world order..."
"Achieving our quest of a "new world order" depends on our learning the Holocaust's lessons."
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Thanks to ZionCrimeFactory for finding this article
In the first public declaration on the Jewish question since the end of the war, Arthur Greenwood, member without porfolio of the British War Cabinet, assured the Jews of the United States that when victory was achieved an effort would be made to found a new world order based on the ideals of "jusice and peace".
Publicité "V pour victoire" pour le site d'Alex Jones, en référence à la campagne pour l'effort de guerre contre les nazis
AUDIO - The Piper Report - Jan 24, 2011 Alex Jones launches "V for Victory Resistance Campaign"
Critiqué pour cette symbolique douteuse, Infowars se justifie en rappelant qu'il faut battre les méchants nazis et, le plus drôle, en retombant dans la délirante théorie des diaboliques "swastikas inversés" (sic), théorie absolument fausse.
Un peu d'histoire sur les arrières-plans officiels de ce signe "V pour victoire" lié à l'administration Churchill:
British Open 'V' Nerve War; Churchill Spurs Resistance By James MacDonald
AUDIO - The Piper Report - Jan 24, 2011 Alex Jones launches "V for Victory Resistance Campaign"
Critiqué pour cette symbolique douteuse, Infowars se justifie en rappelant qu'il faut battre les méchants nazis et, le plus drôle, en retombant dans la délirante théorie des diaboliques "swastikas inversés" (sic), théorie absolument fausse.
Un peu d'histoire sur les arrières-plans officiels de ce signe "V pour victoire" lié à l'administration Churchill:
British Open 'V' Nerve War; Churchill Spurs Resistance By James MacDonald
Churchill, tueur à gages des Rothschild
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Historians as Tools of the Global Elite
Court Historians Regurgitate New Versions of Prewar and Wartime Propaganda Dressed Up as History
Court Historians Regurgitate New Versions of Prewar and Wartime Propaganda Dressed Up as History
"TO THE VICTOR BELONG THE SPOILS," the old saying goes. It might be amended to say, "To the victor belongs the privilege of writing history." Julius Caesar certainly recognized that when he wrote in Commentaries on the Gallic War, Book I, that "It is the law of war for conquerors to deal with the conquered at their pleasure"—and that, of course, included the writing of "court" history. Another writer, a diplomat and scientist, Benjamin Franklin, had his own twist on the subject, declaring in Poor Richard's Almanac that, "Historians relate, not so much what is done, as what they would have believed [by the people]." This distortion of history is what Revisionists are fighting against.
In the years following both World War I and World War II when real historians such as Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes and his colleague dared to suggest that the postwar histories, written by the victors, were hardly more than the product of "court historians" essentially regurgitating new versions of prewar and wartime propaganda dressed up as "history," Barnes and his fellow Revisionists were defamed as "conspiracy theorists" and worse.
However, with even the most cursory review of the role that many eminent and "respected" American postwar historians played as top-level intelligence officers during World War II, for example, one cannot help but wonder how reliable their academic accounts of the history of that period were.
In 1987 Yale University professor Robin W. Winks (now deceased) published his award-winning 607-page book, Cloak and Gown: Scholars in the Secret War, 1939-1961 (New Haven: Yale University Press) outlining the very substantial (but until then largely little-known) details surrounding the involvement of American academics in the activities of the CIA and its World War II predecessor, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS).
"Each government accuses the other
of perfidy, intrigue and ambition, as a
means of heating the imagination of
their respective nations, and incensing
them to hostilities"
of perfidy, intrigue and ambition, as a
means of heating the imagination of
their respective nations, and incensing
them to hostilities"
In his book, Winks provided readers with an eye-opening list of the names of some—but far from all—American academics (largely historians) who served in the OSS during World War II and were therefore part of (and directing) America's official covert intelligence operations against the enemy. The list is remarkable and demonstrates that there is reason to suggest the ties between academia and the U.S. government propaganda apparatus are even more profound than Harry Elmer Barnes may have suspected.
Many of the names will be immediately familiar. The names constitute a veritable laundry list of those whom Barnes quite correctly called "the court historians" and whom—by virtue of their wartime roles in the propaganda operations of the OSS—revolutionary statesman Thomas Paine might have been foreshadowing. He wrote of war-time propagandists in The Rights of Man declaring: "Each government accuses the other of perfidy intrigue and ambition, as a means of heating the imagination of their respective nations, and incensing them to hostilities"—not only during wartime but afterward as well. And that is why there is the need for Revisionist scholars to continue fighting to bring history into accord with the facts, wartime and postwar propaganda notwithstanding.
What follows is the list of OSS-spawned academics taken from Winks's book, including the sometimes-glowing descriptions that Winks provided:Spies Turned 'Court Historians'The World War II-era Office of Strategic Services (OSS) was the forerunner of the modern CIA, and also the spawning ground for a host of American academics who rose to prominence in postwar years. Most of these ex-spies—with little deviation—touted the "official" U.S.-British-Zionist intelligence propaganda version of the events that led up to the war, accounts of the war's conduct and the twists of history that followed. Not for nothing did such independent historians as Dr. Harry Elmer Barnes refer to these characters as the "court historians."
Above, Herbert Marcuse: It wasn't "Hanoi Jane" Fonda or Huey Newton and the Black Panthers who invented the ideas and slogans that came to be identified with the "drop out" generation. It was Marcuse, drawing on Hegel, Marx and Sigmund Freud, who introduced the theory of "the great refusal," meaning that individuals should reject and subvert the existing social order as repressive and conformist without waiting for a revolution. Marcuse left Germany one step ahead of the Gestapo to bring his "enlightenment" to America. He taught philosophy at various U.S. universities until his death in 1979.
- James Phinney Baxter III, president of Williams College;
- Carl Blegen, professor of history, University of Cincinnati, and a leading authority on American immigration and ethnic history;
- Crane Brinton, professor of history, Harvard University, perhaps the leading historian of ideas on the European front;
- Dr. Frederick Burkhardt, director of the American Council of Learned Societies;
- John Christopher, professor of history, University of Rochester, who with Brinton and Robert Lee Wolff wrote an extremely influential (and extremely successful) textbook, History of Civilization, immediately after the war, a text that became one of two that dominated the market for the immediate postwar generation of undergraduate students. "Brinton, Christopher and Wolff," as the text was known, reflected the synoptic view the authors developed while in the OSS, and it would not be totally revised until 1983;
- Dr. Ray Cline, who wrote a first-rate volume in the official history of World War II and then returned to the intelligence profession. He became the CIA's deputy director for intelligence from 1962 to 1966;
- John Clive, professor of history, Harvard University, a major figure in 19th century British studies;
- Gordon Craig, professor of history, Princeton and later Stanford universities, author of the leading books on the role of the military in German history;
- John Curtiss, professor of history, Duke University, an authority on France;
- Harold C. Deutsch, professor of history, University of Minnesota, also an important figure in the development of modern German history in the United States;
- Donald M. Dozer, professor of history, University of California, Santa Barbara, a Latin Americanist;
- Dr. Allan Evans, a medievalist from Yale who remained with the Department of State at the end of the war;
- John K. Fairbank, professor of Chinese history at Harvard University, the leading sinologist of his generation;
- Franklin L. Ford, professor of history, Harvard University, and the dean of Harvard College during the student disorders of the late 1960s;
- Felix Gilbert, historian at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, New Jersey, an elegant diplomatist;
- S. Everett Gleason, who worked with William Langer in the OSS and after, and returned to become the State Department's historian;
- Moses Hadas, professor of classics, Columbia University, who wrote on the expansion of the Roman empire;
- Samuel W. Halperin, professor of history, University of Chicago, and after the war editor of The Journal of Modern History;
- Henry B. Hill, professor of history, University of Kansas, who developed British history there and later at Wisconsin;
- Hajo Holborn, Sterling professor of history, Yale University, who worked on occupation policy for Germany at the end of the war and wrote on the history of military occupation, becoming a dominant figure in the training of postwar Germanists;
- H. Stuart Hughes, professor of history, Harvard University, who moved on from where Crane Brinton had left off in European intellectual (and especially Italian) history, and unsuccessfully ran for the House of Representatives in Massachusetts;
- Sherman Kent, who left Yale to preside over ONE, the Office of National Estimates, at the CIA;
- Clinton Knox, who also left the historical profession, becoming ambassador to Guinea;
- Leonard Krieger, who returned from the OSS to become a professor at Yale and then of German intellectual history at the University of Chicago;
- William L. Langer, the outstanding European diplomatic historian of his generation;
- Val Lorwin, professor of history, University of Oregon, and the nation's leading authority on the Low Countries;
- Herbert Marcuse, who moved from history to philosophy at Brandeis and the University of California, and from the contemplative life to that of guru to the student revolt during the war in Vietnam;
- Henry Cord Meyer, professor of history, Pomona College, another leading Germanist who left Yale for the West Coast;
- Saul K. Padover, professor at the New School for Social Research, authority on Jefferson and democratic thought, and a pioneer lecturer on American history at a wide range of universities overseas;
- Michael B. Petrovich, professor of history, University of Wisconsin, who developed Russian studies there;
- David H. Pinckney, professor of history, first at the University of Missouri and then the University of Washington, a major force in French history and, like Brinton, Craig, Fairbank, Holborn, Langer, and Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., a president of the American Historical Association, perhaps the highest honor the discipline can bestow on one of its own;
- David M. Potter, professor of history, Yale University (and later at Stanford), who with Ralph Gabriel and Norman Holmes Pearson firmly established American studies at Yale;
- Conyers Read, professor of history, University of Pennsylvania, an authority on Elizabethan England and the prime mover behind the Council on Foreign Relations in Philadelphia;
- Henry L. Roberts, professor of history, Columbia University, who followed Geroid Robinson in developing a front-rank Russian studies program at that institution;
- Elspeth D. Rostow, University of Texas, who with her husband,
- Walt Whitman Rostow, worked out major interpretations on American foreign policy;
- John E. Sawyer, economic historian who left Yale to become president of Williams College and then of the Mellon Foundation;
- Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr., professor of history, Harvard University, polymath, adviser to and historian for the Kennedys before his transition to a Schweitzer chair at the City University of New York;
- Bernadotte E. Schmitt, who after the war lived in retirement, lauded as the leading historian of the causes of WWI;
- Carl E. Schorske, professor of history at Wesleyan and then Princeton University, an authority on European intellectual history;
- Raymond Sontag, professor of history, University of California at Berkeley, the first of the old OSS team to publicly remind the student generation of the 1960s of his service and of why academics had felt it appropriate to engage in intelligence work, which he had
- Wayne S. Vucinich, professor of history, continued to do as a consultant to ONE;
- L.S. Stavrianos, professor of history, Northwestern University, who carried the idea of global history further than any other scholar, in a series of notable texts;
- Richard P. Stebbins, a man Sherman Kent felt could turn out more work of high quality than anyone else in his shop, who became director of the Council on Foreign Relations;
- Paul R. Sweet, who also remained with the State Department, in change of its official histories and archives.
- Alexander Vucinich, professor of history, San Jose State University, a leading authority on Eastern Europe; Stanford University, who covered the same waterfront;
- Paul L. Ward, who became the executive director of the American Historical Association;
- Albert Weinberg, technically a political scientist, although the author of a fine historical analysis of American imperial expansion, who remained in government work after the war;
- Robert Lee Wolff, professor of history, Harvard University, that institution's outstanding authority on Eastern Europe;
- John H. Wuorinen, professor of history, Columbia University, who covered Scandinavia and in particular Finland;
- T. Cuyler Young, professor of archeology, Princeton University, who, with Richard Frye at Harvard (who also was in the OSS), pioneered Iranian studies in the United States.
This list, needless to say, is highly revealing, if only because it demonstrates how closely American academics have been linked to the intelligence community, and in this case, during wartime. The truth is that—despite the passing of decades—nothing has changed. The American academic community has consistently been influenced by—and in many respects, has been a part of—the high-level policy-makers, war-planners, and other elements of the high level ruling elite.
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Sorry I have been gone for couple of weeks! I went through a hard, personal time of a roller coaster of emotions. I debated if I wanted to dedicate a post on Tobey. I realized he's been with me since the beginning of this blog, and even though he's not with me, I still want to keep a part of him on this blog. I will keep the Tobey's Paws in remembrance of him.
I do not want to get into details of his passing, and please don't ask me. If you really care about him or me, as a friend/reader you will just be by my side and support me. I want to dedicate this post on the happy times I had with Tobey. He was my joy, laughter, my younger brother (he's actually my dad's dog), my baby, and my best friend (he would just listen and never talk back).
Now in remembrance of Tobey...
When I first learned how to make amigurumi dolls, without a doubt I wanted to make one of Tobey. Here's Tobey modelling with Tobster. I have Tobster on a self in my room.
He really was a great model! Here's him with one of the scarves I made for myself. It looked great with his black fur.
I actually reviewed this pet bed on my blog. While I was taking pictures of the bed, Tobey kept standing on it. He's such a rascal which I loved about him! He added excitement in my life. :)
We had a pipe burst in our backyard and my dad had to replace the whole pipes with new ones. After replacing the pipes, he applied the cement. Tobey would step on the cement every time my dad did a certain amount. My dad had to cover the cement while doing it. He did not want Tobey to step and leave a mark. My dad was so proud of himself because there was no way he can knock down the protection. We had to let it dry overnight. The next morning my dad woke up and none of the protection was knocked over. We were in shock when we took the covering down to find Tobey's paw prints! He left a mark on earth and on our backyard. :)
Here's his reaction after being scold for his naughtiness. His cuteness won over his naughtiness, because we started laughing.
I hardly post a picture of myself on this blog, because I want to stay anonymous in some ways. I'm ending this post with my favorite picture of Tobey and I.
I love you Tobey so much! You truly will be missed!!!


text: Show Hide image Culture 27 June 2012 Memoirs of a Revolutionary by Victor Serge - review Red or dead. Sign-up Memoirs of a Revolutionary by Victor Serge, New York Review Books, 416pp, £9.99 "We revolutionaries, who aimed to create a new society, 'the broadest democracy of the workers', had unwittingly, with our own hands, constructed the most terrifying state machine conceivable: and when, with revulsion, we realised this truth, this machine, driven by our friends and comrades, turned on us and crushed us." The Russian revolutionary Victor Serge's assessment of the role that he and his comrades played in building the machine that would destroy them is striking in its candour. Virtually all of his friends who managed to survive the dictatorship that was installed in the revolution of October 1917 blamed the totalitarian repression that ensued on factors – the Russian civil war, foreign intervention, Russian backwardness – for which the Bolshevik regime was not responsible. Refusing to acknowledge his part in constructing and using the machinery of repression, Leon Trotsky pinned most of the blame on Joseph Stalin – a single human being. Here, Serge was more clear-sighted. Trotsky, he wrote, "refused to admit that in the terrible Kronstadt episode of 1921 the responsibilities of the Bolshevik central committee had been simply enormous, that the subsequent repression had been needlessly barbarous, and that the establishment of the Cheka (later the GPU) with its techniques of secret inquisition had been a grievous error on the part of the revolutionary leadership, and one incompatible with any socialist philosophy". From a family of anti-tsarist émigrés, Serge (a pen name: his real name was Victor Lvovich Kibalchich) had been active as an anarchist and taken part in an insurrection in Spain, incarcerated in a French concentration camp and released as part of a deal in which several leading Russian revolutionaries in detention in the west were allowed to travel to Soviet Russia in exchange for the release of western diplomats who had been arrested there. Working in the Comintern after he arrived in Russia in 1919, Serge soon began to question the Bolshevik regime. Following the Kronstadt massacre, in which thousands of soldiers, sailors and workers were gunned down or captured and executed, following an order signed by Lenin and Trotsky threatening that the rebels would be " shot like rabbits", Serge wrote: "The truth was that emergent totalitarianism had already gone halfway to crushing us. 'Totalitarianism' did not yet exist as a word; as an actuality, it began to press hard on us, even without our being aware of it." Contrary to what countless western progressives have insisted, there was no shift from a fundamentally emancipatory regime to one that was essentially repressive. The totalitarian virus did not enter the Soviet state when Stalin took power. It was there right from the start, when Lenin and Trotsky were still in charge. Fearlessly criticising the Soviet leaders and joining forces with the Workers' Opposition to combat them, Serge never surrendered his independence of mind and spirit. A part of the charm of this vivid and absorbing memoir is the gusto with which he recounts a life that was, by any standards, jam-packed with excitement: his dangerous early encounter with the Bonnot Gang, a sodality of radical individualists who went to their deaths in shoot-outs or by the guillotine with slogans such as "Damn the masters, damn the slaves and damn me!"; the years of prison and solitary confinement that followed for Serge; the hatred of the telephone he developed when, as a senior Soviet official living in the Hotel Astoria, it brought him "at every hour the voices of panic-stricken women who spoke of arrests, imminent executions and injustice"; his expulsion from the party, arrest as the ring-leader of a Trotskyite conspiracy and eventual expulsion from the Soviet Union; the life of hardship and surveillance by Soviet agents that followed; his flight from Nazi-controlled France to Mexico via Havana, where he found " a sensual delight feeding on electricity – this after our pitifully dark European cities . . . the heady sensation of being in a free country". Somehow, along the way, Serge also produced several interesting novels, including The Case of Comrade Tulayev, perhaps the best fictional recreation of Stalin's purges. His health weakened by years of struggle and poverty, he died of a heart attack in Mexico City in November 1947. Some have speculated that he may have been poisoned by Stalin's agents. Given that the Soviet security apparatus was murdering politically active émigrés in many countries from the 1920s onwards – Trotsky was only the most well known of those who were killed in this way – the idea is by no means fantastic. Though he does not put himself at the centre of this extraordinary story, the strand that links everything together is Serge himself – a courageous and generous man who was loyal to his vision of how revolution could usher in a new era in human history. In moral terms, there can be no doubt that he was on a higher plane than the Bolshevik leaders. At the same time, possibly for that very reason, Serge was consistently deluded about how the revolution would develop. Lenin and Trotsky knew that revolution is by nature a ruthlessly violent and inherently undemocratic business. Without firing squads, mass imprisonment, the use of family members as hostages (a technique pioneered by Trotsky to secure the loyalty of the Red Army in the civil war) and the routine use of torture by the Cheka, the Soviet regime would have been overthrown soon after it came to power. As Serge admits, the Kronstadt massacre was unavoidable if the revolution was to continue. In Memoirs of a Revolutionary, he tells us: "After many hesitations, and with unutterable anguish, my Communist friends and I finally declared ourselves on the side of the Party." He goes on to record how the party newspapers celebrated the anniversary of the Paris Commune even as the repression of the workers continued. "Meanwhile the muffled thunder of the guns over Kronstadt kept shaking the windows." He says less about other and larger Soviet massacres. Though he acknowledges that they "knew that in European Russia alone there were at least fifty centres of peasant insurrection", he hardly mentions the less well-known but far bloodier crushing of the Tambov peasant rebellion of 1920-21, which the Red Army suppressed by torching entire villages and using poison gas to kill off peasants who fled into the forests. Serge's anguish at Soviet repression was undoubtedly genuine but when he writes that shooting captured Kronstadt rebels months after the rising had been quashed was "a senseless and criminal agony", he shows that he did not grasp the most important fact about the Bolshevik Revolution, which is that it was a version of total war. There was very little popular support in Russia – then or later – for the Bolsheviks or their programme. Against a background of mounting insurrection, they could avoid de-feat only by continuously increasing the scale of repression. That is why Felix Dzerzhinsky, who was the head of the Cheka at the time, had the rebels shot and Lenin later ordered that refractory peasants should be executed by public hanging. Totalitarian repression was not a regrettable departure from the high ideals of socialist philosophy – an unfortunate error of judgement on the part of the Bolshevik leaders. They had no alternative. Mass terror was a condition of their survival. In many ways an admirable human being, Serge refused to face the inexorable logic of revolution, summarised so clearly by Lenin in his celebrated dictum, "Who/whom?": kill or be killed. John Gray is the New Statesman's lead book reviewer. His "The Immortalization Commission: the Strange Quest to Cheat Death" was recently published in paperback (Penguin, £9.99) John Gray is a New Statesman contributing writer. 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WASHINGTON (CNN) - This year, for the first time in the history of the Marine Corps, the graduation class at its infantry training course will include women.
Fifteen women voluntarily began the training at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina, on September 24. On Thursday, three of them will graduate from the course, a milestone for women seeking equality in the Armed Forces, according to Capt. Maureen Krebs, a Marine Corps spokeswoman.
A fourth woman finished the course, but was injured and couldn't pass the required combat fitness test. She will be allowed to graduate once she heals and passes that test.
The women went through the same physically grueling exercises as the male Marines, including carry 90 pounds of combat gear on a 12.5-mile march, Krebs said.
They also had to perform three pull ups, just as the men did. For ordinary Marine Corps physical fitness tests, women can choose either the pull up or something called a "flew arm hang."
Pentagon says women in all combat units in 2016
This is part of Marine Corps research regarding the capability of women to serve in infantry units. Since last year, 10 women officers have entered Marine infantry officer training at Marine Base Quantico, Virginia. So far none of the officers have completed that course.
However, the women who passed the enlisted course will not join infantry units. They instead will be sent to non-combat jobs throughout the Corps.
Their 59 days of arduous work will instead become part of the Marine Corps ongoing research into the possibility of having women serve in combat.
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Congratulations to those 3 ladies that made it through the infantry training course. I understand that 10 additional women graduated in December as well. You have my full support and encouragement! Don't let these naysayers or male chauvinist clowns get you down.We are in a time of history where women want to be warriors too. And why not? In time we are going to see more and more women graduate from infantry school, and then become Rangers and Seals too. I know its going to happen! The reason its taken so long is because females have been controlled by men to be what men see them fit to do. Its an IMAGE society unfortunately! Instead, we should have let women be what they wanted to be right from the start! If we had then I guarantee today there might be all female units or batallions of infantry and special forces already! I give you all HONOR and RESPECT!:)
Mortar Maggot - With all due respect for your experience and for your service, your upbeat, affirming commentary about women in combat seems more like "Rah! Yay! Women!" reflecting loyalty to those you've known in the military than rational thought. As I've observed, in addition to women, teenagers, guys in their 50's (and beyond), the physically handicapped have all served admirably in combat in our nation's history. I too have experience with including women in supposedly male roles: law enforcement, firefighting and prison systems. I too have great admiration for the few that make it through the requirements and who participate as dedicated professionals. But the question that consistently poises itself is this: "How many women can we have in the mix before the group's effectiveness is compromised?" Sort of like, "How many fish from a particular river can you eat before you get sick from the contamination?" Unless it doesn't matter, then we really should acknowledge the liability resulting from any. The three areas I mentioned have compensated for the PC mandate by increasing their overall numbers, leaving them still with the manpower necessary.
But management still need to keep a worrisome, silent eye on the mix at any one time; not only is group effectiveness at risk, it puts the male staff at a dangerous disadvantage. We had an all-female (plus one male) squad rush to break up a fight between inmates once, with disastrous results. (Curiously, in that situation it was the female officers who insisted angrily afterwards that for safety, more men be in the mix in the future.)
There are innumerable such incidents in law enforcement, fire fighting and other areas nation-wide where a well-trained, professional female respondent simply didn't not have the physical and psychological attributes required for the situation. (Another metaphor: even though firearms are a last resort for police, you want to have at-hand something bigger than a .22 pistol, despite its excellent performance back on the firing range.).
I can appreciate your loyalty and goodwill towards your former sisters-in-arms; I too have the highest respect for my own female colleagues. But emotionalism aside, we cannot place PC career-opportunity ahead of the safety of individuals, the team, or the nation. And your own distinguished and admirable combat experience does not trump others' reasoning about that.
As a feminist, I agree. Women can do the behind the scenes work for the military, but for y self, 4' 11", I cannot, or do I want to try to lift a 200 pound man. Doesn't make me inferior, I can make babies, men cannot, and that's alright. Men and women being equal doesn't mean they do exactly the same things.
That's a good point. I would go further to observe that a man and woman the same size (e.g. both 5'10 and 150 lbs), the same age, and the same level of fitness, the man would typically be considerably stronger, - both upper and lower body. Then add-in the likely difference in size too, and that strength differential is greater. Add-in further the subtle but undeniable difference of hormones and the difference in bone-density, heart and lung capacity, tendon strength, aggression, etc.....
Women are not just small men, and we cannot make them into men through training and exercise. Different from any other exclusion of a category of people in history (blacks, Irish, etc.), the gender difference is innate, not contrived, - we're not just making it up.
I think women should have an equal right to be dismembered and die.
You sound dumb and bitter.
A woman in combat is like a donkey doing calculus!
To Hadenuffye's point: seriously, - this is a commentary on the evidently modest physical standards to pass the course. National safety is the goal, not job opportunities. If a woman can pass it, it's simply too low.
If you restrict Infantry jobs to Olympian physical standards, you won't have a military. Quite simply fitness in society is generally distributed on a bell curve. The male bell curve ends farther out then the female one. However the two bell curves are not mutually exclusive, that is, they do overlap. They overlap quite a bit in fact. The fitness standards are set with two criteria in mind, accomplishing the tasks that any warfighter might have to do and having enough people to actually fight a war.
If we were talking about delta force or something where physical fitness is generally on par with olympians then you might have a case. Everyone seems to be under the impression that the regular line infantry guys are superhuman or something. We aren't, we're just in better shape than non infantry types for the most part, and we study tactics day in and day out while others do their jobs.
judging by all these idiotic comments here praising and glorifying these broads, it appears that we are truly living in a sick society and therefor proving Ronald Reagan wrong back in 1981 when he boasted that "we're not living in a sick society". War is a terrible thing which deserves no glory whatsoever but unfortunately, most Americans evidently don't believe it since they're not in one!
The "flew arm hang" is a misquote. The alternative to pull ups allowed for female Marines is the "flexed arm hang." This tests upper body strength by requiring the Marine to hang from the pull up bar with arms flexed in the up position. When then Marines arms reach the point of exhaustion and the arms are no longer flexed, the time stops.
I'm so proud of those three women. I wish I could congratulate them in person.
Another ignoramus here glorifying these broads who are in it for the thrill of the kill! On the other hand, women in both Israel and Russia do this because they have to, not because they want to and certainly take no glory in it!
Full-arm hang. Not flew.
If women in this country aspire to be amoral psychopaths like the men, then let them.
I couldn't agree more. It appears that this society of ours is growing sicker as time goes on. Like George said below, the Russians are a peace loving people whereas we Americans appear to be the exact opposite!
It appears that the main difference between American and Russian women is the fact that the Russian women had to fight during WW2 whereas the American women are trying to prove some kind of point. In short, Russian women were compelled to fight whereas American women make a conscientious choice to do so!!!
A lot of negative responses, all based on personal agendas and gender roles. Women will either fail or prevail. All I can say is time will tell.
Thank god i ets'd before they came in and was in the infantry. Say what you want but that's my own opinion and i'm out now so do whatever you please.
chicks in combat are a JOKE: MANHOOD101. C O M
Women have been in combat situations since the civil war. They may not have openly fought, but they were in combat and forced to fight in certain situations. Maybe you need to check your facts !!!
So have teenagers and 50 and 60 year-olds. ..... but that doesn't make it a good idea.
"Flew Arm Hangs" really? Does anyone even proofread these articles any more? It's Flex Arm Hangs. Maybe I'll start reading FoxNews, at least they edit their articles.
When I went through Infantry Training Battalion, we did a 26 mile march... I also recall us doing two 12 mile marches the same day with a combat simulation in between them. The 12 mile marches were completed in 2.5 hours not the 5.5 hours these troops took... we ran them... not bragging but it was hell... that sounds like boot camp not Infantry Training Battalion. hmm... We also did the 12 mile marches at week 2 not week 8 … these "standards" have been lowered.
Was it uphill in the snow both ways? Mine was.
Please point out when was the last time you marched 26 in the battle space?
IIt is not the distance that is important, it is the mental toughness, will, and determination that is built to make it through the march or ruck that is important.
My husband said in soi he had to hump 26 miles with 90 lbs on his back.
A woman should be allowed to join the military yet she should have so many opportunities to do other things to affirm her importance, value, and worth she would choose to do differently and still be 100% the woman she was created to be.
So...if she wanted to be in the infantry and was capable of it, she should be allowed, right? Based on what you just said, right?
Okay people, let me lay it out for you: Physiologically, women are not just as strong as men. Understand this, statistics exist because they are a study of the way things are (reality). There are women who are very strong and very capable. I have served with several in Afghanistan, during frontline combat operations, who represented themselves well. However, the physical strain of infantry combat is not represented by being able to lift a specified amount of weight, or pass an obstacle course. The toll on the human body from heavy combat loads, continuous operations, lack of sleep, malnutrition, dehydration, heat injury, uncertainty, fear, adrenaline surges, and chaos is degenerative to both men and women. Time and time again, it has been proven that women's bodies do not withstand as much of this pressure as a man's. Women break down, both physically and mentally, faster than men on a general basis. This has many consequences to the infantry unit, not the least of which is the degradation of combat power when you need it the most. The only way to fully integrate women into the infantry (from a policy standpoint) is to lower the infantry standards. If they don't do this, the women will have less opportunity for advancement in their career because they will be medically retired before they achieve leadership rank or retirement. Marine promotion systems are performance based and the women will find it difficult to pace their male counterparts. If they do lower the infantry standards, the infantry will become weaker and less capable, and the men will still outpace them. This is completely counterproductive and absolutely unacceptable. (Side note: Not a single female has passed IOC yet, and only one has passed the first day. Her body took a further week to physically break down. The enlisted females will now boast a 26% success rate. Good for them, keep charging Marines.) For those of you who regurgitate that they aren't being assigned to grunt units, what do you think this experiment was for?
Experiments are done so things can be studied scientifically rather than simply going off of anecdotal evidence like the kind you suggest. The standards should not be lowered. That is counter-productive. If there is a small margin of females who can and want to achieve the same standard than let them. If they cant keep up then tough.
It should be said that this movement originated from a group in Washington, not from an outcry within the military community. This experiment has political motivations that are unrealistic, unnecessary, and will end badly for the women who undertake it. If it were only a matter of a laboratory experiment, I'd say more power to them. The infantry is not a laboratory, it is life and death. Literally.
So you'll point us to the studies of course then right? I mean you said it was proven time and time again that female bodies break down faster under combat conditions, so show us the evidence. My experience was that women performed with the same parameters as men. The fit ones did okay, some others got fit out there and improved, and others were never fit and just fell apart, barely able to do the mission. So there, a different anecdotal experience from yours.
It has been proven time and again. Airborne in the Army used to mean a lot more than it does now. The standards to get through Airborne school were a lot higher. Than someone said we have to let women in Airborne units in non-combat jobs. Well the rules for being in an Airborne unit are you have to be able to jump. So they started sending women to jump school. They failed at a much higher rate than men. The standards were lowered for political correctness. Now just about anyone can get through. I see it about to happen with this. The PC crowd recruited 10 of the best Jr officers they could find and 15 of the jr enlisted they could find. They did it with a pass rate opposite of there male counter-parts. Infantry being the biggest MOS in the Marine Corps the men going through and passing arent always the cream of the crop. Congrads though ladies you can do three pull ups. In a line unit scores like that will have you doing remedial PT.
Try some light reading:
Google topics like "why women are more prone to sports injury," "characteristics in the physiology of female athletes," "History of female Olympic athletes." (I particularly like that one. It shows empirical evidence that women's performance increases have paralleled men's since 1983, and their respective athletic ability will never intersect,) and "Gender and endurance performance."
Pay attention to the greater consumption of body fat in women during physical exercise lasting several hours. It works great for female long distance runners who get to go home after, take a shower, and take a few days off. Now apply the same factor to four months of continuous operations physically exerting themselves for 16-24 hours a day, no shower, no bed, no days off, under extreme stress. Extrapolate for yourself the logical conclusion. There are no tents, no cafeterias, no amenities in the infantry, and no breaks like there are in combat engineers, the air wing, or any other unit females are already a part of. The infantry goes into hostile territory with all their gear on their back, assaults an entire city from one side to the other fighting for every step, and holds the ground when it's over. All of the studies have been based on women athletes. What any athlete does is incomparable with what the infantry does. Enjoy.
Yeah. You don't have to tell me about combat conditions, I got that shirt in 2003 under conditions most of the current crop couldn't imagine. Here's a shocker for you, they had women, mostly MP's that were right with us the whole time, even when we outran our supply lines and had to make do with reduced rations.
Go read google doesn't equate to finding academic studies. Academic studies on the matter actually prove women are better endurance athletes and that there is only a ten percent gap in the bell curves. That gap is at the Olympian level, and most line infantrymen are not in that kind of shape.
I did my reading from actual studies, the ones behind paywalls, courtesy of actually going to college.
Once again, for the cheap seats. It's not about physical conditioning. My huge powerlifting Marines broke just as easily as my slim runner Marines. It's about longevity and how long their bodies will last. If you put women in the infantry and not attached to it, full time infantry training, full time infantry lifestyle, full time infantry combat, their bodies will wear down faster. Serious overall degradation of combat power, serious health implications for the women involved. Stay with me, and try not to get distracted by your own perceived wit. FYI, I did OIF I too. Sucked, didn't it? I appreciate your service.
Yes, most of women physiologically not stronger than most males, but NOT ALL. Also, there are women, who compete against men in sports and WIN. I have been the only female member on boxing team and kickboxing team, at national level. In my first practice I knocked out a team member. Women, who can pass fitness test for combat should serve if they want to.
I'm assuming that you have a driver's license. Did the written and driving test prepare you for the entire spectrum of experiences you encounter while driving?
IMO, it appears society is losing sight of womans importance in building up and helping create a good community and society foundation. Yes, they should have the right should they desire to join the military, however, they should be in a position where they know and understand it's available, yet see the importance and responsibility of their uniqueness to take up a different cause and not feel denied by any means.
Like cooking, maybe?
Like barefoot and pregnant pushing the vacuum?
Good. Send them to the front. The can caught a bullet like a man.
Not in favor of women serving in combat because it's simple 1 man can marry with 4 wives and reproduce. 1 women and 4 men cannot do the same. Women serving in the military (anything life threatening) is a huge error in logic. Just another strike to a Godless nation that lacks common sense.
your brain is flawed, buddy.. you should stick to eating butter!
And considering our population is in the hundreds of millions that would not really be in a high enough margin to impact anything. Your argument is illogical. What can be expected though, you simply trail off into men having concubines and how people dont pray to whatever silly bronze age deity you fawn over enough.
What in Sam heck does a woman's reproductive abilities or America's religiosity have to do with the subject at hand?
"Just another strike to a Godless nation that lacks common sense."
Huh. The Crusades bring anything to mind?
Well played... you are my hero...
Is that a 80% failure rate or a proud 20% pass rate. Also, in the same class what percent of males passed?
Iraq and Afghanistan have had this nasty habit of targeting non grunt types. So the women driving long haul trucks were actually in more danger of catching that bullet than I ever was. The bad guys just didn't want to fight us when they could fight non grunt types. I've said this time and again, if you don't want women getting injured in modern warfare then you need to lobby for them not to even be sent overseas. Of course that won't work so you'll keep using outdated arguments.
Why you guys so surprised?? Marine boot camp or any from the other branches for that matter aren't that damn hard. Only 3 pull-ups, 60 crunches, and a 28 minute 3 mile run is all that's needed for the marines. Anyone in mediocre shape can pass that, and you'd be amazed how many out of shape and fat marines there are.
Not sure that you've been through Marine basic training. FYI, there's a little more to it than running 3 miles, a couple pull-ups and some crunches. What do we do with the other 12 weeks, 6 days and 23 hours...
While those are the minimum passing numbers for individual events, you'd have to max out the other two events to pass, and even then, you would not get a first class score. Getting a low PFT score in the infantry (or any other MOS) will generally result in you getting put on 'Remedial PT', meaning your lunch is spent with a 'mentor' who thrashes the s*** out of you until they get tired.
Thanks for that response, brings back fond memories. Take care.
The real test will be when any female can be randomly assigned to infantry, not just the motivated females who volunteer. That's how it works for the guys....
Women shouldn't be allowed to serve in combat! or in combat units! women will never be the same as men, its nature! men are stronger, taller in average than women, men don't have to deal with menstruation! like women do! Men don't have to worry of being raped as much as a woman would if she is taken prisoner!, because that's what is going to happen, the first torture or physical or mental treat that a woman will suffer at the hand on a male enemy is RAPE!!
Really...graduated boot camp in 1982...pullups and situps arent the only things involved...you younger than 42...try it..I KNOW YOU COULDNT MAKE IT!!
Is that a call to action good sir!? lol
Ehh, he wouldn't listen anyway.
3 pullups with full combat gear. not your simple pull up there. my whole take on the female in combat is this. if I get injured and she is my fighting hole teammate. will she be able to carry me to safety along with my combat load and her combat load?
The 3 pullups are not in combat gear. 3 out of 15 Marines graduating is not an acceptable number...and frankly a big waste of time and money. Infantry school is BASIC...it's a fairly rigorous course that was made to be passed. 3 out of 15 is disgracful...even 10 out of 15 would be bad.
When they first came out with the news of sending females through infantry training, I remember going through it myself...and having to carry 2 females packs for them since I was their squad leader and they were incapable of pulling their own weight.
You obviously just read some bs on the internet about the minimum standards of a PFT. Sure thats all you are required, but youll never get promoted, or even last on a regular pt run with your fire team leader. those standards are just the bottom line, and even then are not good enough to make it anywhere.
You'd be amazed how many out of shape and fat Marines there AREN'T. You lie, man. Or you're just stupid.
"They also had to perform three pull ups, just as the men did. For ordinary Marine Corps physical fitness tests," WOW. Anyone who has ever been in the military knows that there is a minimum score to pass the PT test and that obtaining it is a joke. 3 pull-ups is the minimum, so yes, technically it is the same thing the men need to do. BUT, passing is far different than keeping up with the guy who scores 100. I would be curious to know how their overall score/performance stacked up. Good luck gaining the respect of your comrades if you're the guy who scores the minimum. If the woman's performance is on par with the guys' average, I will gladly eat my own words . . . but somehow I doubt it.
Hey, it doesn't say they ONLY did 3 pull ups, just that they had to.
If one of them did more than 10, I'd be mildly impressed. Even then, 3/15 pass? that's 1 out of every five. Not including the ones that quit early after they found out they wouldn't earn the MOS.
I believe that in order to receive a perfect score, men have to do 20 pull ups. To receive a perfect score, women have to do 8.
8 is not an infrantry score.
What I find interesting in a lot of stories about the military is what is not told, but still officially condoned about women in combat. Otherwise, the mission itself couldn't be accomplished. My friend who served in Iraq had fellow sailors who flew combat sorties over Iraq and Kuwait when it was liberated in the 1990s. Some of the women flew Harriers and others flew F-14's. He also said female doctors and medics participated in combat landings directly under fire with troops to retake Felaika Island when Kuwait was liberated. He has actual pictures and videos he brought home from the war. An old roommate who was a Marine in Vietnam had a female friend who was technically a nurse with the Marines serving in Vietnam. So it doesn't surprise me that women can and do officially pass the physicals and basic training to be a United States Marine.
Something called the 'flew arm hang'? It's the 'flexed arm hang'. Do just a bit of research to figure out what you don't know before posting the article!
What makes a good combat troop is much more about the training than their gender. Yes, there is a minimum physical condition individuals must be in to endure the hardships of combat and still remain at maximum effectiveness, but as a military member I know many women with the physical and mental toughness to endure combat. Look at the numbers of (male) soldiers in the Revolutionary War, Civil War, and even Word War II who ran away the first time they saw the enemy coming at them. Why doesn't that happen today? Because of the training our troops go through before being placed in a combat situation. We try very hard to replicate the stressful conditions of combat in our training to instill confidence in each individual and in the team. Anyone who successfully completes combat training deserves to be placed in the infantry, male or female. Right now we have thousands of women serving in combat zones, outside the wire, and work with male infantry units day-to-day without being officially assigned to them. There is no front line anymore, and women are already fighting and dying. When you're in a fire fight, it's not any safer if you are the one being attacked rather than being the attacker.
Don't tell me you are referring the FETs...
A lot of units heard about the FETs and just decided to make their own ad hoc ones. The real FETs had to go through a stateside training program and even then were officially not supposed to take part in combat. However going out in a small team in Afghanistan and coming back alive means everyone fights. The mere survival of the real FETs proves women can fight.
Congratulations to them for making it this far.
There is still a lot of proving to go. Maybe that will convince me this is a good idea. We shall see.
Good luck the rest of the way.
The few women who eventually emerged through the program were physically the best of the best of the best. That is,
the small number of female marines in general are likely above average among women nationally; then the very few rom that group who volunteered to undertake the program were exceptional; then the even fewer who survived the screening to participate were yet more exceptional; then these four completed the program.
What does it tell us.....? Somewhere in this nation a few athletic, fit, motivated teenage boys could similarly complete the course. Also, somewhere within our population there are a few guys 50+ who could do it as well. But this does not make including women, children and the elderly in our combat units a good idea.
No one's talking about including children and the elderly in warfare. But they have done it. Look at the Russians and Germans in WWII. OTOH, your comment shows that you equate grown women with children and the elderly. Glad I don't know you personally.
Leslie, - physically, children and the elderly are in fact comparable to women. That that's offensive to you is irrelevant. All three have been included in combat in history, which points up the foolishness of this experiment. (A teenage boy would be offended at being compared to a grown woman, as would a 55 year old man.)
Women would do well in combat: What else can bleed for 1 week and not die?
Peforming the minimum standards on a PFT may be fine in garrison, but may be lethal to fellow Marines' health.
So are the drugs and alcohol and hazing Marines like to engage in. I'd rather have a level headed woman fighting than a testosterone driven guy high on something.
Women aren't exactly levelheaded, and they're not do or die team players when it gets ugly. In danger, normal men fight and if need be die for their buddies. Women expect to be protected. Men accept that people want to hurt them, and their best move is to hurt the other guy first. That's testosterone, where aggression and courage come from. You don't have any. Your "levelheaded" woman is liable to go into hysterics, run, or decide it's safest to surrender. Men are ashamed of cowardice. Women are proud of it.
Women expect to be protected. Women will do what it takes to keep themselves safe. Women believe that men, all men, were put on this earth to sacrifice themselves to keep women safe. I would not care to be alongside a woman in combat because she I could not rely on her as I could on a man. She would consider me expendable. You don't mind, because you consider me expendable too, but I beg to differ.
Women are not men. I'm glad of that; they have their own strengths. But none of those strengths are worth anything in the infantry.
Katie, your generalizations about male Marines are pathetic and offensive. If you only knew the stringent hazing and drug policies we have in place and how relatively rare it is that Marines violate those orders you would be ashamed of your ignorant assumptions. Why don't you get to know a real Marine instead of watching "Full Metal Jacket".
This organization isn't comprised of roid-raging meatheads obsessed with killing like the media likes to portray... it's comprised of men and women who, for very low wages, chose to risk their lives and undergo the hardships of training and combat only to serve their country and defend people like you.
Um, Nate, you want to stick to that assertion that women don't have testosterone? Clearly, you didn't do so well in high school biology.
We appreciate the response John but, Full Metal Jacket was a good movie lol
"women are equally as capable of violence as men"
– Erin Pizzey
So what better way for women to prove her wrong, than send death threats and boycotts to her.
The Israeli Army had a long history of assigning female troops to combat duties, but found out that when the male troops witnessed their female counterpart got killed, being blown apart or mutilated, it had devastating psychological effects to male troops. The male troops felt helpless and a strong sense of failure when they saw themselves being unable to protect whom they are supported to protect, and it destroyed their morale.
The failures with the Lebanon and Gaza incursions demonstrates how the timid tactics reduced effectiveness.
So you are claiming that the weakness of male soldiers is the reason women should not be in combat?
Love it! That's what they showed in "GI Jane," too, and even the evil drill sergeant wasn't immune to this problem (breaking procedure to "save" the woman.)
The ultimate goal is to optimize the combat effectiveness of a fight organization. If there is what you call a "weakness" in the male psyche, then the goal is to prevent that weakness from being exposed. I spend 8 years in the Marine Corp and I know how it is like in the battle field. We are in the business of killing. Our first priority is survival, not equal opportunity career advancement. We cannot afford to let anything to exploit our weakness or hinder our ability to perform our duties. Jeopardizing the lives of all for the fair treatment of a few simply is not fair for everyone.
Wait a minute... 3 pull-ups? Tell me that's a mistake, or badly-worded please. Otherwise, the next question is whether or not they know what snack food to bring to an all-night LAN party. Still, I guess if we've fought the last three conflicts by dancing around the definition of "mercenaries" in the Geneva Convention,we might as well open up war to everyone, right?
I don't know, but I would assume the 3 pull-ups were while packing the 90 pounds of combat gear.
No, no extra weight except their PT uniforms.
Yeah, you read that correctly. But the author isn't well versed on the PFT requirements. While the minimum is 3 pull-ups to pass, 3 will only get you 15 points out of a possible 100 (max is 100). The other events are a 3-mile run (18 minutes to max it, 28 minutes or more and you fail) and crunches (40 in 2 minutes, minimum; 100 to max it.. To pass, you can't get the minimum points (or even close) on all three events.
Make no mistake, our enemies are looking forward to women's combat debuy in 2016. When it comes down to it, male POW's just aren't nearly as much fun.
Aw now not only are the leathernecks a force for good but they will be selling Girl Scout cookies.
Good on the women! Anything men can do, we can do better.
Can you bake a pie?
You can say that after one of these chicks survives a 12 month deployment in the sticks doing patrols and getting shot at. Far different situation when compared to the training program. Get real.
We wont be able to find out because in the very end of the article it said:
"However, the women who passed the enlisted course will not join infantry units. They instead will be sent to non-combat jobs throughout the Corps.
Their 59 days of arduous work will instead become part of the Marine Corps ongoing research into the possibility of having women serve in combat."
or he could be referencing the play Annie Get Your Gun.
What the article didn't expound on was that, of the 10 females who attempted the Infantry Officer Course, 9 didn't make it past noon on the first day. The 10th was removed after several days for injuries sustained on day 1 (likely stress fractures).
While we already have had females in combat – some of whom have performed gallantly – the infantry should be left alone and not experimented with.
The few women who eventually emerged through the program were physically the best of the best of the best. That is,
the small number of female marines in general are likely above average among women nationally; then the very few rom that group who volunteered to undertake the program were exceptional; then the even fewer who survived the screening to participate were yet more exceptional; then these four completed the program.
What does it tell us.....? Somewhere in this nation a few athletic, fit, motivated teenage boys could similarly complete the course. Also, somewhere within our population there are a few guys 50+ who could do it as well. But this does not make including women, children and the elderly in your combat units a good idea.
ALRIGHT, Ladies, here's your chance. Make us proud!
A chance to kill, what a thrill! This article is truly nauseating to say the least but a lot of idiots here will eat it up!!! Glorifying these broads for what they imprisoned, Charles Manson, Richard Speck, Jeffrey Dahmer and a host of others for is for the birds!!!!!!!!!!! It appears that this society of ours is growing ever sicker!
Thank you, WERTWERT32452345. You just about said it all.
The issue isn't whether they're capable, the issue is whether it's a viable military strategy. The purpose of the military is to win or prevent wars efficiently and effectively. It's not there so people can accomplish life goals and build self esteem.
Totally agree with you. Unfortunately, for many people military is just another arena for political battles.
Well...I used the Army for 25 years to build my self esteem and accomplish my life goals LOL
yeah good for you welfare queen.
If they're capable, they help to complete the viable military strategy. Do you really not know this?
i was marine infantry and could care less if a woman wants to be infantry, as long as they can carry there own then thats fine by me. but basing if off of this course is a joke and means nothing. anybody will tell you, once you hit the fleet the physical and mental aspect of infantry is alot harder and tougher. congrats on them for passing as this is no easy task. it will be alot hard for them since they will be the first and the entire marine corps will be looking at them so good luck to them, i hope they make it. no need to put a fellow marine down
yeah until their lack of ability ends with you being "put down"
So the number of infantry grunts in here telling you if someone can pull their weight they're welcome to come out with them someone how translates to women can't pull their weight in your head?
Let me tell you straight, women have performed admirably in combat, in deprivation situations (like out running supply lines in 2003) and are already welcome on infantry patrols to conduct their non infantry business if they can shoot, move, and communicate when required.
We know this reality, someone forgot to tell society that their women were already in the situations society doubts they can handle.
Good, its about time women started pulling their weight on the battlefield. They hvae been talking too much trash about glass ceilings, so it's time for them to put their money where their mouth is.
Next, they can start registering for selective service and be called to duty from 18-45 like men have to do.
selective service is 18-25...
your supposed to register between 18-25. After that some federal benefits aren't available as a penalty if you haven't registered. Any serious need for a draft has always been 18-40 which is generally considered military age.
And on the 70th anniversary of Tarawa. 11/20/43
I think in a world where we all have fought to be "equal" for so long that at this point, things should be fair and even across the board. Just about everyone in my family was or is in the military and to be honest I don't know how I feel about women in combat roles. I do know that after marching for equality and this and that, how can you ask someone to lower the bar of expectations. If women can pass the tests across the board then good on them but to lower it... don't agree with that. Equal is equal PERIOD. No doible standards when it comes to the definition of equality.
Indeed. I also think they should do the full 3 miles instead of 1.5, and if they can't do all 20 pullups, they should become a POG anyway (seriously, how many male Marines do less than 20 pullups and pass ICS?). In the infantry, upper body strength is essential.
Actually I'd say it was core body strength which is seriously under tested in the military. This is how a mortarman with stick arms can still pick up and carry his 100 pound ruck for 15 miles.
"Marine Corps ongoing research into the possibility of having women serve in combat" ...... Like 1940's all over again!!
Well, now. I'll bet that shut a few mouths. Just not sure the 59 days of hard work were worth the shutting of a few mouths.
As long as they don't water down the physical requirements for females the way they have for initial enlistment, I don't care one way or the other if they serve in combat or not. If a female can earn her place, she deserves it. I just wish they'd up the normal PT requirements so that females had the same standards as their male counterparts. It's hard to view them as equal when we have to lower the bar to allow them in.
Jon – do you have a reading comprehension isse? The article states that:
"The women went through the same physically grueling exercises as the male Marines, including carry 90 pounds of combat gear on a 12.5-mile march, Krebs said."
Snow: "The women went through the same physically grueling exercises as the male Marines, including carry 90 pounds of combat gear on a 12.5-mile march, Krebs said." is NOT what the male Marines go through. When I was in infantry school, it was 90 pounds of combat gear on a 21 mile march, and the it is minimum 20 pull-ups for the men.
Can they also keep a man form ripping their weapon form them in a H2H situation?
Apparently you have a reading comprehension problem of your own. I clearly stated that it appears these females earned their spot by passing THIS COURSE under the same requirements. I then went on to comment that they need to increase the GENERAL PT requirements. Currently, the standards for passing boot camp standards and all PT test thereafter are COMPLETELY slanted in favor of females. It's great that they didn't water down the standards here, but until they level ALL requirements, females will never be accepted as equals.
Completion of the Marine Corp Infantry training school does not automatically manufacture a successful war fighter. Special skills and above all dedication to duty which may be unpleasant at best are also required. Simply completing Infantry training means the individual is motivated and is in relatively good physical condition. If the technology involved in modern warfare continues to advance there will be less need for the hand-to-hand or face-to-face combat types (Special Ops exempted) and more need for relatively intelligent physically fit individuals with good hand-eye coordination to handle all the sophisticated equipment now used in warfare. The Nation building era is now history.
You're definitely not a veteran. Okay people, let me lay it out for you: Physiologically, women are not just as strong as men. Understand this, statistics exist because they are a study of the way things are (reality). There are women who are very strong and very capable. I have served with several in Afghanistan, during frontline combat operations, who represented themselves well. However, the physical strain of infantry combat is not represented by being able to lift a specified amount of weight, or pass an obstacle course. The toll on the human body from heavy combat loads, continuous operations, lack of sleep, malnutrition, dehydration, heat injury, uncertainty, fear, adrenaline surges, and chaos is degenerative to both men and women. Time and time again, it has been proven that women's bodies do not withstand as much of this pressure as a man's. Women break down, both physically and mentally, faster than men on a general basis. This has many consequences to the infantry unit, not the least of which is the degradation of combat power when you need it the most. The only way to fully integrate women into the infantry (from a policy standpoint) is to lower the infantry standards. If they don't do this, the women will have less opportunity for advancement in their career because they will be medically retired before they achieve leadership rank or retirement. Marine promotion systems are performance based and the women will find it difficult to pace their male counterparts. If they do lower the infantry standards, the infantry will become weaker and less capable, and the men will still outpace them. This is completely counterproductive and absolutely unacceptable. (Side note: Not a single female has passed IOC yet, and only one has passed the first day. Her body took a further week to physically break down. The enlisted females will now boast a 26% success rate. Good for them, keep charging Marines.) For those of you who regurgitate that they aren't being assigned to grunt units, what do you think this experiment was for?
I agree with your comment 100%. My point is that with the anticipated stand down of our troop count because of sequestration and the winding down our Afghan front, there will be less need for hard boots on the ground and a greater need for personnel who operate computer aided standoff surveillance and munition platforms. An area where the skills needed are not gender specific and makes this entire combat infantry school "experiment" moot.
I know It is not PC but I believe you should be denied authority on women in combat if you have not been in combat before. How to explain it – it is fine with me if politicians tell the military what to do, from Geo. Washington's day. But combat is different. Things happen there that some men are not equipped to handle.
So I guess if women want to be in combat, they should be prepared to do things and have things done to them that I am not they would or should experience. War/combat is not civilized, to many really do not know what it takes.
Not sure what you're on abut there, Tom. But the bottom line is that no one knows what combat is truly like before they've experienced it. So, man or woman, no one really knows whether they are willing to experience it or have 'things done to them' that they don't like. Personally, I never had a problem with the concept. All the stuff people worry about when they worry about women and men together in combat doesn't mean much when you're in a muddy hole in the dark, unbathed for weeks, and shivering from cold and fear. Everyone smells, everyone is tired, everyone is afraid. As for the psychological aspect, that's a mind thing, not a gender thing.
I agree with you 100%. You couldn't have said this any better!
Apparently the qualifications for cannon fodder aren't all that strenuous.
So? Volunteer.
SOI is at Camp Geiger.
Really, three pull ups???? I did a lot more than that in elementary school.
As long as it drives bigots crazy it's okay by me.
Now I suppose that we'll go on reading idiotic comments here about how "brave" these broads are! All these broads want to do is to prove somehow that they can kill with the "best" of men. I just want to say here that there is absolutely no "glory" in killing anyone, none at all!
It shows that you never served. Its not about killing, Its about serving you country, doing your duty. And fighting along side someone who is a true friend who will watch your back. If someone gets in the way of your rounds going down range, its their fault for trying to fight you.
As a Canadian I am proud to have served and trained along side US Marines.
lol BS. Serving the country is at the bottom of the list. Above that is pay, experience, college tuition.


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Uber dean: Ayers an academic of all trades
The image people have of a college dean is John Houseman-like: distinguished, formal, a bit stern.
That is so not Ed Ayers.
"I always wanted to look distinguished," muses UVA's youthful and animated dean of the college of arts and sciences, who's in charge of three-quarters of the university's student population and faculty. Certainly, there's plenty for him to look serious about, presiding over UVA's worst budgetary crisis ever.
And yet, this has been a pretty good fall for Ayers. He's been named "national professor of the year" and he has a new book out.
"I think they gave [the award] to me because I still teach," he says, apparently a rarity in the world of deans.
So how does one handle teaching and writing, and still head the largest slice of the UVA pie? "I build in teaching from the outset," explains Ayers.
His schedule includes 50 fundraising trips a year, and he's titled this part of his life, with its myriad cocktail parties and dinners, "Living on Hors d'oeuvres."
Ayers still sees himself foremost as a teacher. "I took the deanship out of gratitude to this place," he says. After he accepted the five-year stint, he says, a friend kidded, "Congratulations. You just traded the best job in the world for the worst."
Because Ayers took the job in 2001 just before the stock market plunged, "I had three good weeks," he says.
Despite hiring and salary freezes, Ayers has a mission as dean: "I want to show that public institutions can be as good as private ones and compete with the Yales and the Harvards."
Renowned as a historian– The Promise of the New South was a finalist for both the Pulitzer Prize and National Book Award in 1992– Ayers didn't get into history until grad school at Yale. "I thought it was all about presidents," he says. "I discovered the history of common people."
That's the focus of his new book, In the Presence of Mine Enemies, which traces the Civil War through the eyes– and letters, diaries, and newspaper accounts– of ordinary folk in two communities in Virginia and Pennsylvania.
The story is told in journalistic fashion, and journalism was a career Ayers considered before falling in love with history and the academic life. Being able to squeeze in writing on top of his duties as an administrator– er, leader– and teacher is an exercise in getting up early and making good use of time spent on planes.
"It's a question of how long I can keep all these balls in the air," he acknowledges. As for five years down the road, the only thing he'll predict is, "I'll be in Charlottesville at the university."
Age: 50
What brought you here? UVA's history department, to be an assistant professor of Southern history in 1980
What's worst about living here? Not enough jet flights for the many trips I have to make these days
Favorite hangout? Airport newsstands (see above)
Most overrated virtue? Certainty
What would people be surprised to know about you? I lived in a car for a summer while I worked for a carnival, running the double Ferris wheel.
If you could change one thing about yourself, what would it be? I'd grant myself at least a shred of musical ability.
What accomplishment are you proudest of? The students I've taught
What do people find most annoying about you? I'm guessing my talkative nature, though I've seldom been quiet long enough to ask them.
Whom do you admire? William James, an American philosopher who flourished about a hundred years ago, who embodies for me the ideal of the open-minded and engaged scholar.
Favorite book? William Faulkner, Absalom, Absalom!– predictably enough for a historian of the South
What subject causes you to rant? People's refusal to accept the fact that there's such a thing as a public good, especially education, that government can help make better even if it requiresgasp– taxes.
What thrills you about life in the 21st century? The possibilities of digital media to bring new kinds of understanding in every field of endeavor
What creeps you out about life in the 21st century? Political conflict fueled by religion
What do you drive? An Audi A4
What's in your car CD player right now? Radiohead, Hail to the Thief
What's your next journey? Not counting many work-related trips, Spain, I hope.
What's the most trouble you've ever gotten in? I decided to add authenticity to a fire drill in middle school and so crawled out a window to avoid the imaginary flames and smoke, waiting for the rest of my class on the sidewalk after they marched out in conventional style. The principal was not amused, and my parents had to come in to discuss matters. The behavior was seen as symptomatic of my never-ending quest for attention rather than as a pragmatic response to hypothetical danger.
What do you regret? That I didn't follow through with any music lessons for more than three weeks
Favorite comfort food? A tie: plain Cheerios out of the box (at home); peanut M&Ms (at work and on the road, for the protein)
What's always in your refrigerator? High-fat ice cream
Must-see TV? 24, for its interwoven narratives– my favorite art form.
Favorite cartoon? King of the Hill, which offers some of the best social commentary in any medium
Describe a perfect day. Write from 8 to 11, play basketball with my friends, work outside, and have dinner and a movie with my family.
Walter Mitty fantasy? Either of the following would be excellent: playing as any member of the Who in the years around 1970, or playing guard like Allen Iverson on any night of his professional career.
Who'd play you in the movie? Tom Hanks (when he gets a little older and a little craggier)
Most embarrassing moment? Accidentally sending a "confidential" email about the funding of all the graduate students in my program to all the graduate students in my program
Best advice you ever got? The day I left graduate school for UVA, the eminent historian of slavery, John Blassingame, told me: "Do your teaching, writing, and administrative work ,and leave the lunch-time politics to those who have time to kill. Gossip never got any work done."
Favorite bumper sticker? "Arts and Sciences at the University of Virginia"