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Hmmm. . . Maybe Santa spilled the beans and told him he was only getting diapers for Christmas this year.
Wednesday, December 23, 2009
Santa Claus
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Thursday, December 17, 2009
Crew is getting a lot more fun these days (Well, minus his colic issues that is). He is smiling, cooing, batting at his toys, making spit bubbles. . . You get the drift. I don't think either of us knew how hard this was going to be! One of Chris's friends who has a baby about the same age was over and saw I had the book, What to Expect the First Year. He said, "what it should say is, 'in the first three months I will give you HE-double hockey sticks, and a little bit of joy'." Maybe it was the sleep deprivation but I thought that was HILARIOUS!
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Saturday, December 5, 2009
We spent Thanksgiving up in the White Mountains with Chris's family. The food was AWESOME!!! Chris enjoyed spending time with his fam relaxing, Skippy enjoyed the attention and table scraps and I enjoyed all the extra arms to help in holding a fussy baby Crew.
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Friday, November 27, 2009
Crew video
So, while in Pinetop for the Thanksgiving weekend all the girls in the family went to see the "New Moon" Movie.... Left home to watch the baby my brother and I put this together with his new CanonT-1 . It was fun to play with a new camera.
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Saturday, November 14, 2009
5 Week Pics
Chris hasn't been getting the job done in the pics department around here. . . Well, at least not of Crew, I should say. He's been really busy with a lot of weddings. . . So I decided to take matters into my own hands. Here are pics I took/edited of Crew at five weeks. The quilts were made by Grandma Cheryl Hughett and the rocking chair is Grandma Sherrie Paxmans.
I think his ticked off face is pretty cute too.
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Video debut
It's just a short clip ...and it's just of him making little noises.
-yep...I've already become so disillusioned to think that anybody else cares about random photos and videos of my kid :)
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Monday, October 26, 2009
Real Pictures
If you've spent anytime checking out my photography blog you have noticed that I almost never take pictures of newborn babies. It is SO HARD to do and it takes forever and when you tell them to "lift your chin just a little" they will seriously sit there, and ignore you, and not lift their chin a little!
We sure think our little guy is stinkin adorable but we are going to have to work on the modeling skillz...cuz to-date he isn't in love with getting his picture taken...yet....
better get used to it junior, it's part of the job description!
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Tuesday, October 13, 2009
Crew Christopher Paxman !
Our little one was born over the weekend
Here are the quick stats:
Crew Christopher Paxman
Born 10/10/2009
8lbs 5oz
Supposed to be induced at 3pm on Friday, 'Labor Delivery' called to let us know that they were too busy for us and so we had to wait. Johnna got anxious and called later at 8pm and they told us that we could come on down.
9:00pm- Checking in at Banner Gateway
Settled in and plugged into all the machines an hour later.
after a long night, and a long morning and starting into the next afternoon, Crew was finally delivered.
Crew + Mom a few minutes after
Proud proud Grandma Paxman
Proud proud Auntie Ashley
Our first family picture
Skippy met his new baby brother today
Grandma Hughett just flew in today!
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Friday, October 2, 2009
39 Weeks
We are crossing our fingers that this is the last belly shoot. Things are going great! I've been dilated at a 3 for 3 weeks now. . . But at least there seems to be an end in sight since I am 39 weeks. I can honestly say I have fulfilled every possible craving I could have had, taken every nap time opportunity possible and have everything a baby could ever need/want. We are ready (If there is such a thing as being 'ready' for your first baby)!
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Thursday, August 27, 2009
Whisked away to heaven...
Me and Skippy had quite the scare today when we found this in the hallway next to the garage door. We both thought for sure that Johnna had been whisked away to heaven in the blink of an eye and that this pile of flip-flops, jeans, and shirt were to be the only sign the miraculous event.
Actually this happens all the time. Poor Johnna is going through the final trimester of her pregnancy and bearing the brunt of our dreadful Mesa Arizona summers. Anytime she has to go out to do errands or anything this is a pretty standard practice to help cool down immediately upon returning the privacy of our home.
I guess it is a good think that I don't believe in "The Rapture" ...or I would seriously get freaked out by this on a regular basis.
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Monday, August 24, 2009
33 Weeks
As if you weren't tired of these belly pics already, here's MORE! Next time we're expecting I promise I'll spare you and post only the final maternity shoot.
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Sunday, August 23, 2009
Get'n Crafty
Here are some projects that have kept me busy.
Nursing Cover.
Burpies, so he can spit up in style.
Changing pad cover and crib bed-skirt.
I have had a lot of fun with these easy/fun sewing projects. Now I'm just waiting for Bernina's next Beginner's Sewing class so I can kick it up a notch.
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Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Remember This?
I was just looking through some old pics and landed on this beauty. I don't think there is a day that has gone by I haven't thought of my sweet baby Itzy. Seriously, Chris can testify I'm not even joking about that. I've said things like, "getting rid of Itzy is one of the biggest regrets of my life. . ."(and that's REALLY saying something coming from me!). I'm so grateful I'll have a new sweet lil pumpkin arriving this October. Hopefully it will make me forget all about the 'puppy love' of my life.
[For those of you who don't know, or are thinking, why the heck did she get rid of that dog then?! She hated everyone BUT me, tried biting adults, children, BABIES, was psycho, Chris loathed her with a passion and she peed on our carpets a bajillion times.]
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Sunday, August 9, 2009
31 Weeks
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Our Wedding Video
I just got around to putting our Wedding Video into a format for YouTube/blog etc... My cousin Tyler did this for us. He does incredible wedding videos.
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Thursday, July 30, 2009
Skippy Shoot
The other day Chris was experimenting with his camera gear. Our dog was his hot model for the night. Skippy wasn't so sure about it all until I brought treats out and then he was good to go. I don't think there is anything that dog wouldn't do for a treat!
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Monday, July 27, 2009
Things you hear around our house...
It's 10:47pm. I'm in the office in the front of the house, and Johnna is in the living room in the back of the house playing on the laptop. She hears a strange noise in the house and not knowing where in the house I am asks "Sweetie, are you trying to be a ninja again?"
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Saturday, July 25, 2009
Momma's in town
We met up with my mom and Dallas and Ashley for dinner tonight at Rubios. There is this business park behind there so we went and played with the camera a little bit after dinner. I like this new collage thing that Picasa does.
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Unjust? Grey fox captured, killed near UVA
After UVA's recent bout of small mammalian terror, in which two students were bitten and a sweater was swiped, both the university and Charlottesville community can safely say they've seen an animal reined in as officials announced the capture and subsequent euthanization of a fox Wednesday. But was it justice? The capture has some people questioning the actions as rash and cruel, and wondering if it was the right fox–- or merely an innocent animal unjustly handed a death sentence.
"It's a shame to kill this animal to make it look like the authorities are doing something to protect the public," says Crozet nature writer Marlene Condon, who was horrified by the image she saw on NBC 29's Wednesday night report. "We're losing so many animals, we can't afford to keep killing."
Steve Colvin, the trapper hired by UVA to seek out an "aggressive" fox in the University Circle-Lambeth Field area, brought a captured grey fox to the Charlottesville-Albemarle SPCA early on Wednesday. Despite not showing signs of rabies–- which might include glazed eyes and matted fur, according to Condon–- the fox's fate was almost inevitable, as officials in the State Health Department decided to euthanize the animal to test it for rabies.
"The grey fox they [showed] on Channel 29 did not look rabid to me," Condon insists. "It had clear eyes and was cowering in the cage, obviously terrified."
Although initial reports of the attacks described a red fox as the suspect, local medical authorities worry those reports could have mislabeled the fox's appearance or that the original fox's aggression could have spread to others–- thus taking every precaution with the captured grey fox.
"Unfortunately, we can't test for rabies in live animals," says Thomas Jefferson Health District Director Dr. Lilian Peake, " so they do have to be euthanized to be tested."
With the body sent to Richmond for testing at the Division of Consolidated Laboratory Services, Condon says she's speaking out about what she considers an unnecessary death.
"Wildlife serves a function," says Condon. "You shouldn't be killing them if you don't have to."
Peake insists on the necessity of the euthanization, despite the unknown identity of the fox, as the test results will be crucial in determining an overall make-up of the wildlife in the UVA area. If the grey fox was indeed rabid, she says it would indicate there may be an epidemic amongst other local foxes.
"Unless you see the fox biting someone and you take the fox right at that point, it's hard to say which fox was involved," she explains. "This test will give us more information. If the fox is positive, there might be other rabid animals in the area."
While Condon and Peake have different outlooks on the fate of the grey fox, the main point they both stress is the need for a community better educated on interacting with wildlife. Condon, author of the book The Nature-Friendly Garden, is scheduled to give a talk to the community on October 13 about appropriate ways to interact with the natural world.
"It's important to keep these wild populations around and know how to live with them," Condon insists. Peake agrees.
"We want to caution everybody that if you see a wild animal, don't pet it or feed it regardless of the situation," says Peake. "Appreciate wildlife from a distance."
If the grey fox does test positive for rabies, the UVA community and Health Department will step up their outreach and heighten awareness to students about how to interact with wildlife, according to Peake. Condon hopes the increased understanding will lead to less unnecessary animal bloodshed.
"Were these people bitten because they were doing something towards the animal?" asks Condon. "A lot of people don't realize that you don't approach a wild animal. Any frightened animal will bite you just because its scared."
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VOR said: "Cat depredation is a relatively minor, but manageable factor."
My point exactly!
ââ?¬Å?Unfortunately, we can't test for rabies in live animals," says Thomas Jefferson Health District Director Dr. Lilian Peake. What a load of BS!!! Euthanizing an animal to test for rabies is not the only way. If this were true, then all suspected animals would be euthanized. But, this is not the case. Domestic animals are put into isolation for 10 days of observation. Animals infected with rabies exhibit specific symptoms, that appear within 10 days. Examining the brain for rabies, should only be done after the animal exhibits the symptoms and NEVER before. The need to cut open an animal's brain for "testing" is not "always" necessary.
Dr. Peake also suggest that they need to capture and euthanize wild animals on a regular basis to check the health of the population. There is no need to go around killing wild animals indiscriminately. What is wrong with capture, observe and release.
The CASPCA should have told Dr. Peake to find someone else to her killing. Now, the CASPCA has lost credibility with the public. Their mission statement apparently does not apply to wild animals. This double standard needs to be corrected by them.
The TJHD should also be watched very closely by animal rights organizations. If the fox did have rabies, and I suspect it will be reported that it did. (The public will never know for sure.) They seem to be planning on trapping and killing more foxes. Apparently, until they are gone from the UVA grounds and thus no more rabies, and it can be reported as case closed.
Revolver, You say I don't understand feral cats? My family and I have tamed and cared for numerous ferals, and you have no idea here. I have a BIG question for you? You're telling me Voices vacinates for rabies before releasing. As far as I know, rabies vacines are required every 3 years. Don't try to tell me you can round up all of the ferals every 3 years in order to re-vacinate. Yes, my cat was fortunate in being taken off of the street. But most are not as lucky.
Voices and the SPCA must not care for wildlife. Feral cats take a real toll on small mammals and birds.
Revolver guy, Colonies of domestic cats running loose kill songbirds,chipmunks, etc. and otherwise negatively impact the natural environment. If you don't believe us, ask the Wildlife Center of VA what they think about your mission.
No one is "dumping colonies of cats into city neighborhoods." The cats are already there. Those who conduct TNR simply sterilize and release the cats back to the areas where they have already been living. Any kittens or adults who can be tamed are removed and rehomed. Cats don't eat foxes, so no worries there. You would be surprised at the number of people (often low income) in Charlottesville who feed stray and feral cats. They just don't have the money to have them sterilized or vaccinated. That's why Voices' program is so important.
And please note that both Voices and the SPCA have barn cat programs to relocate cats from areas where they are not welcome to barn homes. As you can imagine, this takes quite a bit of work. I think the efforts of these organizations to help homeless cats and reduce the population should be supported, not criticized.
Marlene Condon is not an expert on foxes or rabies. Why would the author of this article rely so heavily on a "nature writer." If you ask me, it's lazy journalism. I like Marlene Condon's essays on NPR, but I'm not sure why the Hook constantly relies on her as the spokesperson for "nature." There are many more people in Cville with far more expertise.
@Ouch, they cut the eartip so the animal won't be trapped, knocked out, and shaved for surgery again and again. An ear-tipped cat is a visible marker that a cat has already been spayed or neutered. Tattoos wouldn't help.
I have one lounging next to me on my desk right now and have to say he looks very handsome regardless. It didn't seem to bother him any, the surgery hurt a lot more.
Cats that are being adopted into homes don't necessarily have to be ear-tipped. When my cat was neutered, he was 100% feral, part of a group of little kittens that was dumped behind my house by some jerks to fend for themselves. I trapped him, and paid for his neutering and shots with the help of a $25 coupon from VFA. Then I adopted and tamed him which took several years. I never considered his missing ear tip to be a deal breaker at all.
So what's it to be: cats or birds? Everyone realizes you can't have it both ways, right? There is no such thing as a "natural" interaction once humans so dramatically alter the environment. All the poor little feral cats so many people are concerned for kill countless numbers of birds each year (mostly babies). You have to prioritize your values, and if the welfare feral cats are at the top of your list, I'd say you need to re-evaluate. Put your passion to be better use. The world needs it.
I agree that eartipping is primitive and not ideal. However, it is crucial to ensure an effective TNR program. Tattoos are not visible from afar. Say you are trying to sterilize a group of 25 cats who are all either solid black or grey tabby. The only way you will know which cats have been sterilized after release is if they all have easily identifiable eartips. The eartipping is done while the cats are under anesthesia. I doubt the cats care too much what their ears look like once they are awake.
Many wildlife experts do not believe that free-roaming cats have a significant impact on wildlife populations. There is no consensus on this issue. The "Wisconsin study" most often quoted by bird enthusiasts has been discredited. I stand by my position that the impact of cats is negligible compared to human impact. I support the Wildlife Center and have taken many birds and small mammals there. Some were victims of cat or dog attacks, but many others had been hit by automobiles or poisoned.
Hey! I'm the person who usually posts as Reality Check. FWIW, I disagree with the poster above, and think the euthanasia of this fox was entirely unnecessary.
On the whole, I think that the SPCA is a noble organization, however their record re feral cats is abysmal. When people call Animal Control to report feral cats, the animals are usually trapped, taken to the SPCA, then killed. Most people don't realize this when they call because they assume that since the SPCA touts itself as a no-kill shelter that the animal is safe. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Feral and ill animals are killed there all the time. The sad thing is that the SPCA doesn't fess up about this. It could be a really great educational opportunity if they were to let the community know the proper procedures about interacting with the feral cat population.
Please spay and neuter your pets... and don't send Animal Control after feral cats!
I understand some folks have inherited too many cats in farming or rural areas for various reasons, including other residents dropping them off. I commend Voices For Animals for neutering such cats before returning them to a farm where they will be fed. It is unwise to release cats into a populated area, or the city, or without a plan to feed them.
As bad as this seems most would be horrified as to what goes on in the UVA animal labs. That is a carefully guarded secret.
I say catch ALL the foxes at UVA and make coats out of them to auction off for the endowment losses that the IDIOTS at Darden couln't seem to prevent with all of their proclaimed knowledge.
A solid plan. If money was fecal in nature, all the rubes at Darden would have a reason for their sh!t-eating grins.
Self-important gasbags all, from the faculty to the bug-eyed, avaricious students they profess to teach, Darden is a collective eyesore -- from the faux Jeffersonian knockoff architecture, to the goofy-ass statue on one end of the facility, to the deluded leadership of the school who spend money like there's no tomorrow, yet they cannot seem to raise any. They are tiresome, arrogant and ultimately, just sad & silly.
If Darden alumni had a clue how their donations were being squandered, the collective shockwave of checkbooks snapping shut would blow the toupees off the deadwood Darden faculty.
Hope all you animal lovers are paying attention to the fact that the current plan for our future water supply will flood 180 acres of mature forest at the Ragged Mt. Natural Area and kill all the wildlife, flora and fauna, therein. Wonder how many foxes will meet their demise if we let this happen ? Dam building means, blasting, heavy equipment, roads , air pollution, don't think this is too great for wildlife.
@plop-- depending on when the head is received, they can get the results the same day, or the next day at the very latest. That means they've been sitting on the results for almost a week now.
I wonder if we'll ever hear the real truth? Since the one fox they caught was exhibiting no symptoms of rabies, I'm wondering if its life was sacrificed so that people could appear busy at work on this issue.
SO very sad and also VERY predicted. The local SPCA should be CALLED ON THE CARPET, BIG TIME, for going along with the decision to satisfy UVA and ALBEMARLE. SUCH cruel dumb dumbs. I say sentence the authorities, including the SPCA director to a work routine at the WILDLIFE CENTER. WE now have them in the bag.
Demand a price analysis! Put in a FOI request. AND follow it all closely. They can't turn back now, because we KNOW too much.
Now that she's been exposed as an ignoramous, Dr Peake should resign. When the average citizen knows more about rabies than the Director of the Health Department, then we have a bit of a problem on our hands. Lord knows we shouldn't be trusting her with the more complicated stuff.
The SPCA needs to take a long hard look at their part in this fiasco. Does anyone know how the hierarchy works vis a vis the Health Dept and SPCA? Did anyone involved bother calling the Wildlife Center to get their advice on rabies in the wild population?
What bothers me about the fox's death is that it was so entirely unnecessary, and to add insult to injury, it died at the hands of idiot bureaucrats.
"According to NBC 29 this morning the ONLY way to test for rabies on a fox is to euthanize it?! Why not shoot it with a tranquilizer and test it by that."
I'm no wildlife expert, but I'm not sure the fox would survive the part where they have to take out a piece of its brain.
I am sorry- did you all not get the part that the brain must be tested? Kinda hard to do that and keep the fox alive.
This country kills millions of unborn humans each year, and you clowns are worked up about the death of a fox! They caught a fox in the area, hope it was the fox that bit the students, and have to kill it to test it; get over it. If it had bit one of you, and the school didn't take action, you would probably be the first ones to file a lawsuit!
If AnimalLover wants to round up all of the foxes at UVA, and keep them in their spare bedroom, it seems the problem will be solved!
If an animal is rabid, I agree: it should be caught and euthanized.
Problem is, the fox in the report above *was not* near humans, nor is there any indication this was the same fox that "attacked" people a few weeks ago. It was captured while minding its own business, probably looking for food.
The SPCA's duty is, as their name suggests, to prevent cruelty to animals. Unfortunately, in this case, they were perpetrators of it.
It's sad when an animal has to be killed but there is no shortage of foxes in this area- we need to stop acting like this was an endangered animal. Wouldn't the rabid fox die of rabies any way or he could get hit by a truck filled with sweaters headed for Barracks Road Shopping Center.
Poor little fella. to think this cute little guy is dead now.... it's a shame but so are so many other acts we humans carry out.
Look how scarred the pup is! instead of killing it to find out if it had rabies why not wait a week or two to see if it succumbs to it's pressumed disease? ah what do I know
Let Darwinism do it's job... If you're not smart enough to stay clear of wild animals then you may need to be weeded out of the flock.
Yup Max is right silly UVA students I have long said they teach them everything except how to think for themselves. The students were treated for rabies so they will be fine. The rabid fox that bit the silly girl is likely dead definitely dead if it was rabid. So why trap and kill this healthy fox? Uva has to come up with something poor martyr fox. I think the original fox has been infected with numerous std's after biting a UVA student and died of genital warts on his mouth and snout.
According to NBC 29 this morning the ONLY way to test for rabies on a fox is to euthanize it?! Why not shoot it with a tranquilizer and test it by that. The fox caught isn't necessarily the one they were after and if it was not rabid it should not be killed. Tranquilize it, test it, if it's not rabid let it go free. if rabid then kill it.
if that fox bit me, I'd killed it on spot! DEAD!
Typical local government: "Well, we could take some blood to see if it has rabies, then if it doesn't, we can take it to one of those animal conservatories. First we need to set up a committee on what animal conservatory we should take it to, then we should set up another committee to see how efficient the first committee is, then let's set up another committee to...Heck, this will take years, reminds me of that meadow creek parkway...lets just kill the fox, test it for rabies, either way, we're gonna look bad...we should just get it over and done with."
I think you forgot to add "The Rutabega" label to this story.
I was followed by a fox on UVa grounds 10 years ago. I called the UVa police, and reported it, and they blew it off. "That just happens" they said. It is not something that should just happen. That is completely against normal fox behavior, and its about time that UVa took seriously the dangers of foxes with no fear of humans prancing around the middle of 18000 students. A normal fox would never allow itself to get close enough to a person for any sort altercation. Hell, a normal fox wouldn't even let you see it. So UVa has a problem, and they are trying to deal with it. Is it perfect? No, but at least they aren't ignoring it.
The SPCA has duties beyond protecting one fox, if there is rabies in charlottesville, people need to know, and additionaly trapping would need to be done, people warned.
quote: "ââ?¬Å?It's a shame to kill this animal to make it look like the authorities are doing something to protect the public," says Crozet nature writer Marlene Condon...."
That pretty well sums it up.
The only crime this particular fox committed was stupidity. Stupid enough to think they he had come across a free meal, and then enter a metal cage to get to it. If the fox was rabid and had bitten people a week ago he would be dead by now.
The question I have is how many more are they going to capture and kill? If I was Steve Colvin, I would be milking this thing for all it's worth. And the rest of the 'authorities" will get their 15 minutes of fame in the media as they make it appear as if they're actually doing something.
rab, you forgot one step in the process. Paying a wildlife expert $125,000 to come in and capture the fox. :)
Some of the commenters above neglected to realize there is no indication this was the same fox that "assaulted" students a few weeks ago. None. "A fox" does not equal "the fox." By that poor logic, we'd have to kill every fox in town we manage to capture: first, because it might have rabies; second, because it might have/might one day steal a sweater or defend its territory.
The SPCA of Charlottesville should be ashamed of itself. They will not be getting any more donations from me, as long as it is their policy to do whatever they are told. In my mind, their role in our community is (or should be) to speak on behalf of animals: to stand up for them, defend them when necessary. On both counts, they failed. FAILED!
quote: "if that fox bit me, I'd killed it on spot! DEAD!"
How exactly would you accomplish this?
I like Britney. If the tabloids follow'd me around everywhere. Ha! It wouldn't be very foxy.
The SPCA should have displayed the GUTS and sensibility to cage, feed, and watch the creature for a few weeks. Then, they should have released it. My guess, the fox was OK. If so, the SPCA looks like a wimp and I don't trust them. The SPCA claims to be an advocate for all animals. I'm unsure of their true colors at this point.
One more thing, the citizens of Charlottesville should be prevented from adopting cats from the SPCA and then turning them outside to roam the city neighborhoods. These cats are much more vulnerable to catching diseases such as rabies and they bother other people and wildlife. Shame on the SPCA for turning a head and shame on the City of Charlottesville for allowing cats to roam at will. The cat owners are lazy, cruel, and inconsiderate and the SPCA and city are clueless.
plop, I think you're overreacting here a tad. But I will also say this... I haven't thought much of the local SPCA and the way they now operate since Mike Forman left as director. I have no idea what took place, but to me it seems as if he was pushed out the front door by somebody who wanted his job.
County Farmer, I know you are correct about the UVA lab. In fact, it makes me ill to think of it. The local SPCA should speak up on this issue too, But then we are talking $$$ and politics with UVA, so they will just ignore it. I agree, it was a shame to lose Mr. Forman. He didn't play favorites in helping the animals and he was willing to procecute whomever if he saw neglect or abuse. I wish they would ask Forman to return. The SPCA could use his common sense approach.
The last time I did a FOI request, the records were "accidentally" destroyed. Didn't take a mental giant to figure out the records were devastating to the Albemarle County Police and 2 of their rouge cops. I would have been better off paying an employee $5,000 to sneak the records out the back door to me.
To all the people in glass houses...
It is truly amazing to read so many self-righteous posts about the euthanasia of a fox. Replace the fox with a snake and 3/4 of you wouldn't even care. All you faux-Thoreauian, wanna-be Marlene Condonites should take a close look at your own direct and, more importantly, indirect impacts of wildlife and the environment as a whole. That warm feeling you get when you donate to the Sierra Club does not free you from your own accountability. Many of of you seem passionate about widlife, an admirable trait, but you should really focus on that energy on something bigger than complaining about the SPCA or the *necessary* removal of the suspected fox. It's the way things work.
OK. Way too much could go wrong if you attempted to discharge a firearm in a polulated area. :)
quote: " was followed by a fox on UVa grounds 10 years ago. I called the UVa police, and reported it, and they blew it off. ââ?¬Å?That just happens" they said."
Back up just a minute please. Who did you speak to, a dispatcher or a real cop? There is a HUGE difference ya know? If you spoke to a dispatcher and didn't like their opinion, you should have asked for a second opinion from a real cop. For whatever reason, people tend to believe a dispatcher's word is the last word. It's not. You can request to speak to a real cop or a cop supervisor.
i don't believe the fox stole a sweater why would you have one in 90 degree heat that was a lie and now these prank stories have caused the death of the fox no proof the the wahoos were even bitten and if so it was a cat or a ground hog foxes are too fast they need dogs to chase them and you ridge a hourse to catch up to them
I really think it would be a good idea to round up all the fox's that are brave enough to come out in the middle of town in the middle of the day. What ever they do with them they did.
quote: ââ?¬Å?if that fox bit me, I'd killed it on spot! DEAD!"
How exactly would you accomplish this?
I'm a ninga with a nunchucka!
I break his neck, then stuff him and put him in my bar next to my wax figure of brittney spears. yeah! and shes' naked!
Woof: The SPCA can not legally quarantine, isolate or hold wildlife or it will come under prosecution from the Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries, which has same police powers as State Police. The organization's mission is clear and specific as stated on its website. While the SPCA cares deeply about wildlife, it's day-to-day work is focused on domestic animals with zero of its mission focused on wildlife.
The SPCA could have told animal contral and the health dept. that it would not euthanize the fox and to take it elsewhere. Had that occurred, the SPCA would have been accused of forcing the fox to die a violent death by refusing to provide a humane approach to the situation.
JBECKHAM, The SPCA should have publicly advocated for not doing a dumb random trapping. They could have advised those doing the trapping to release non threatening or healthy looking wildlife. My lord, what is the point in catching one poor little fox in order to set an example or make a MACHO point? If the fox is rabies free, the killing was in vain.
I spoke with a rep at the va wildlife center. I was told by him the healthy appearing fox should have transported there by the Charlottesville SPCA or police so they could monitor and make the decision! So the SPCA goofed big time! The death could have been avoided, unless the fox developed sickness. Stop spreading misinformation. WE ARE NOT hearing the whole truth it seems.
The trapper that used a secret family musk recipe probably caught the fox in the county and brought it in to the university because he was being paid to catch a fox. What are their plans now? How many more fox will be trapped and terrified and killed in order to satisfy the paper pushers. What happens to the kits/pups that these fox are trying to feed and protect? The only thing these organizations( UVA, SPCA, ASPCA, etc.) understand is money, so if you are against this practice of indiscriminate extermination of wildlife such as was done in this case I suggest you go online or call the paper pushing administrators of these organizations and tell them you will no longer support them unless this practice ceases immediately.
@ Steve, thanks for the info. If the original fox was rabid, then it is long dead by now. There's no need for any ongoing hysteria from the Health Dept, or anyone else for that matter. If a person is bitten or scratched by ANY animal, including someone's pet, the first course of action is to thoroughly clean the wound. Depending on the depth of the wound, that will most likely kill any contagion. Rabies usually takes, at very least, 10 days to show up in a person. Within that time period, the animal would have exhibited clear signs and died. So there's a grace period before the rabies vaccine needs to be administered.
Since the poor grey fox was trapped days after the student was chased, and showed zero signs of illness, there was no need for Dr Peake to order it to be killed. In doing so, she showed an appalling lack of knowledge about rabies.
@Jeff, oh we're aware of it!
How long does it take for the lab to determine if the fox was rabid? Seems to me, as people were bitten, we would know the answer by now???
When was the last time you been in a state funded class room. It is cold and girls are cold anyway.
Bottom line: The health dept was gonna kill that fox, with or without the SPCA. Without the SPCA that fox was going to either be shot or tazed to death. I volunteer at the SPCA and attest to the integrity and responsibility of all on the staff there. The SPCA provided the most humane aspect to this story. IF the SPCA had not been involved you would have been reading a headline like "Fox Meets Violent Death at End of Gun Barrel" or "Fox Tazed to Death". I know for a fact the SPCA has been trying to persuade the city and health department to consider more humane ways to dealing with these kinds of situations.
The local Spca claims it is a no kill site. Someone I know very well heard of a ferral tom cat brought to the Spca. She was told another trapped the cat, turned it in but mentioned the cat "appeared" to bite. Long story short, the woman felt sorry for the cat and wanted to adopt it. She went to the Spca offering to adopt the cat, and was told by the administration, a flat out NO! The administrator said (because they were "told" the cat bit), it would be killed.
The woman pitched a fit and made a scene in front of the right people. The administrtor caved and let her adopt the cat.
Lo and behold, after being neutered, loved, dewormed, etc., the cat is a perfect loving beautiful pet. It even allows the owner to clip its nails, and without biting. How do i know all of this? Because the cat is MINE.
The sad reality, our local (no kill) SPCA gave up on this beautiful animal and condemned it to death. As I put the cat in the car that day, I'll never forget smelling what I thought was the horrible stench of the other poor animals being incinerated that very day.
In all fairness, the spca does some things right. They do save many animals. I also commend the hardworking staff and volunteers. The problem, there is obvious room for improvement. Our local spca board and administration turns a head way too many times. I'm afraid this is a result of politics as usual. Certain situations are excused or ignored because of $$$$. Such is truly unacceptable. The Wildlife Center Of Virginia should have been asked to take over in this case. They are expert in handling such cases.
Travel lite, why don't you just go travel to and stay in the outer space?!? You're the dumbest and most ridiculous moron I've ever read! Mother fathers like you need to be euthanized
Well Beckham, I have no objection to the SPCA offering cremation services for your long lived dog of 17. I also offer my sympathy to you as an owner. I continue to be sickened by the SPCAs' willingness to kill a seemingly healthy young fox OR my beautiful and thriving cat, as they pushed hard to accomplish! The Charlottesville Albemarle SPCA should equally bestow compassion toward all animals. Beckham, sorry, but that isn't happening.
My sleeping gorgeous cat is now curled up and smiling after receiving his lunch. If not for swift intervention, he would be ashes in the wind! Pathetic and an embarrassment for our region.
As I hear,there are many similar stories out there too. SO stay tuned, the SPCA had better get an act together.
JBECKHAM, Why don't you answer gasbag's question? Or maybe the SPCA keeps the methods for killing secret.
This cat story is so terrible and I'm sure it is true.
Unsure who you talked with at the va wildlife center. The person I talked with was not in agreement with the SPCA tactics. I was told the SPCA fell to pressure from the authorities. My donation and trust will go with the wildlife center.
I've socialized and tamed ferals. Some just aren't tame-able, and with those success is simply that it won't run away when you're around.
If you don't try to touch a feral cat then it will leave you alone. If it "nips" you likely you deserved it because you weren't respecting it's space. However as it's feral it's much more likely to scratch you than "nip." It's called "feral" for a reason.
Further. All cats neutered or non, socialized tamed, etc, will "nip" - use teeth without breaking skin as a way of saying, "Okay that's enough." To whatever the activity you were engaged in when it did that.
it hard for the wild-life not to bump into a whahoo now and then there must be over 20 thousand around town, the fox i saw was smiling and loven that wendy's burger and the fox may be out in the day because the wahoos have kept him up all night
That one comment is really distrubing had not thought about them going overboard and killing a whole lot more foxes around uva, that would be too bad...suppose you will kill all the wild boar and the little white miniture goats that roam wild at uva next
The SPCA is following a legal order from the Health Department. That is their function. Stop throwing them under the bus and understand the process.
I would love to go to outer space I think that would be awsome, I'd take my all my wax ladies, my stuffed fox, my keggeratter, my ten person hooka and I'd be off.
I'd Stand on the MOON and moon you! with my hooka in one hand and my world record biggest ever plastic cup in the other and I shout UP YOURS PRISSY KITTEN! Only if I had a ship haaped like a boob with a fox head on the front.
Let me begin by saying that the SPCA and Voices for Animals does a great job with their spay and neuter programs that makes it affordable for folks to capture and bring in their feral cats etc. The SPCA should have asked to be kept out of the news on the fox issue realizing there would be a backlash of public opinion. I believe the powers to be at UVA pressed the issue much like they would have if a human animal had been preying on the college kids. I suppose the result would have been different if some human animal had bitten a couple of college students though. It would have probably been quarantined and not killed.
Unfortunately, not much has been said about mankind's encroachment upon these poor animal's habitat making it more and more difficult for them to find food for themselves and their offspring that effectively forces them to depend on man's garbage and handouts for their existence. No wonder that in this setting there will be some human-animal encounters such as occurred at UVA. The point is; should mankind kill every shark, every bear, every snake, (I think you get the point) because a human comes out the worst for the encounter. Eventually there will only be humans and Soylent Green.
It's clear from some of the comments--including yours--that people do not understand feral cats very well. Ferals and semi-ferals tend to avoid people: they do not present a danger to children or adults, unless, as I mentioned before, there is a lack of common sense in dealing with them. Children need to be taught that there are risks involved interacting with ANY animal, domestic or wild. Parents are responsible for teaching their children to respect animals and treat them gently and cautiously.
Good for you for adopting a former feral cat! If your cat had not been sterilized through the local trap-neuter-return program, it is likely she would not have survived long enough to even meet you. She probably would have had at least of few litters of homeless kittens, very few of whom would have lived to reach their first birthdays. She may have ended up being trapped and taken to a shelter, where, if she acted aggressively the way terrified animals often do, she would have been killed. Would this have been a better fate for her than being spayed and vaccinated and allowed to continue her life, albeit an imperfect one? Whose life is perfect? Is yours? Certainly, wild animals do not live perfect lives. Raccoons, skunks, and foxes all have parasites, spend a lot of their time searching for food, and do not have long lifespans. Should we trap and "euthanize" all wild animals because they have parasites and might not live very long?
Look, trap, neuter, and return is not a ideal solution. I wish there weren't any cats living on the streets. I'm in favor of cats being adopted into homes. More power to people like you who are willing to make the effort to tame a feral cat. But what about all the feral cats out there that no one wants to deal with? The only answer to the overpopulation of cats--domestic and feral--is through sterilization. TNR has been proven the most humane and effective way to reduce feral cat populations over time. I have personally seen the benefits of trap, neuter, and return in several colonies of feral cats. If the entire colony is sterilized and any kittens or tameable adults are removed for rehoming, the breeding stops. The population decreases through natural attrition. The feral cat caretakers I've met in this area are very dedicated to caring for their feral colonies; many of them feed the cats twice a day and monitor them closely for any signs of illness or injury. Cats living in managed colonies are hardly "suffering in Charlottesville." In fact, I think many ferals lead much better lives than some housecats.
One other important point. All cats sterilized through a TNR program like Voices for Animals' are vaccinated for rabies. Vaccinating domestic animals is crucial to reducing the spread of rabies. A vaccinated domestic dog and cat population creates an immunlogical barrier between wildlife and humans. Whether you dislike cats or not or agree or disagree with TNR, it seems logical to support any effort to increase the number of vaccinated animals in our community.
By the way, the CASPCA is holding a low-cost rabies vaccination clinic at the end of September!
revolver, I just wish there was a way to neuter and perhaps take ferals to a farm barn to live. I don't believe it is appropriate to dump colonies of cats into city neighborhoods. In fact, I think it is cruel and inconsiderate. All of those cats are probably eating the baby rabid foxes.
I will, in fact, tell you that feral cats can be re-trapped and vaccinated for rabies every three years. Voices for Animals offers FREE rabies boosters for ferals at the organization's spay/neuter clinics. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
What makes you think Voices and the SPCA don't care about wildlife? Fewer free-roaming cats (through s/n) equals fewer small mammal and bird casualities. I could easily accuse YOU and other human beings of not caring about wildlife. Human beings are responsible for a lot more death and destruction in the animal kingdom than cats. Why not fight habitat destruction, pesticide use, automobile operation, and intentional cruelty by humans? Blaming cats is just wrongheaded.
As I said before, good for you for taking in some former ferals. I wish there were more people willing to do the same.
You cannot see the forest for the trees. Would you rather have no free spay/neuter program for free-roaming cats, with unvaccinated cats roaming around reproducing and creating even more homeless cats that kill wildlife, or a sterilization program through which the population is reduced (and fewer birds and mammals you think are worthy of life are killed) and cats are vaccinated at least once? Rabies vaccine has been demonstrated to have a MINIMUM duration of four years in cats. Research indicates that the chances of a dog or cat developing rabies in the United States that has had one rabies vaccination is less than one in eight million.
You suggestions re: ordinances, prosecutions and background checks are unrealistic. Where will all the money and manpower hours for these prosecutions and background checks come from? We can't even get local prosecutors to take cruelty cases seriously. Not going to happen.
Huh? What are you even talking about? Which authority is it that's saying we have to choose between cats and birds? You could just as easily say, what's it gonna be, birds or people? or how about birds or glass windows? or birds or cars? maybe even birds or foxes? what about foxes or people?
@ plop, Voices doesn't own any cats, so it's completely erroneous to create the impressions that they are "Voices' cats." They are told about cat colonies that are running loose un-neueterd and un-vaccinated, and they take on the huge responsilbility and expense to have them taken care of medically. Many volunteers look after the cats as best as possible and they are trapped and taken care of if they become sick or wounded-- often at the volunteers expense. And yes, many of them ae re-vaccinated. This is all far preferable to sitting around cutting hardworking volunteers down on the internet while doing nothing to help.
Many pet owners don't take such good care of their animals, so I applaud Voices for doing such a huge job year round.
Did you hear about the big colony that was living at Southwood? It took a long time, but they managed to get every one of those cats trapped, neutered and spayed, and vaccinated. That's an enormous undertaking, but they did it! Once again, Voices stepped in and took care of a problem created by OTHER people. The solution is not to criticize a volunteer organization because they are doing good. The solution is to ask yourself how you can help stop feral populations, which will cut down on wild animal deaths, and cut down on disease etc.
It is impossible for for me to believe all Voices'cats can be rounded up and revacinated.
OK, let me offer a suggestion for stopping cat overpopulation and improving the accountability of owners. THE SPCA should petition to FIX the local laws. Treat cat owners just as dog owners are handled. Fine them if their cats are running at large. Make them buy a city or county rabies tag. Prosecute if cat owners refuse to assume responsibility for their pets and spay them. Do a background check before adopting cats out. If folks are in debt, they CAN'T AFFORD to own pets.
Since this piece is about wildlife, I'd be interested to hear Ms. Condon's take on the issue of allowing cats to run loose. My guess, she would agree outside cats are detrimental to wildlife. And the research cited here is unconvincing and imcomplete. No wonder cats are grabbing sweaters. Feral cats at UVA are gobbling up their food!
@VOR, Last I saw, there were plenty of both birds and cats. Many domesticated cats are let outdoors to play every day. What do you propose to do about that? Snakes kill baby birds and squirrels too. What's your "ultimate solution" for them?
At least VFA is doing something proactive to stop the colonies from increasing. That, in and of itself, will save countless bird lives. You don't want to imagine what an ungodly problem you'd have on your hands if they weren't working so hard to nip this in the bud.
Once again, precious few solutions, and zero work, but lots of complaints.
Marlene Condon is not an ecologist nor a wildlife manager. She is a gardener.
I have a problem with Voices cutting,clipping the ears of these poor ferals before they are released. The poor cats have enough to endure without being maimed for life. Some of these ear jobs ruin the look for the cat. If the cats are fed, cared for, and revacinated as revolver claims, why add insult to injury? How about a tatoo instead? This practice makes my friends and me cringe. Once again, some of the results I've seen are truly horrible.
Keep us posted. Is the fox rabid?
Revolver, excuse me, but I have personally spoken with wildlife experts. They agree with me here. Many groups oppose roaming, outside cats, including the local Monticello Bird Club.
Why are interested in Ms. Condon's opinion and not an ecologist's? Just because she regularly voices her opinion, doesn't mean she is the most informed person available.
I can't even get into the number of reasons why "the last you saw there were plent of birds and cats" is an absurd statement to make. I guess the last you saw, the climate wasn't changing?Songbirds are undeniably suffering a precipitous decline across the world. Cat depredation is a relatively minor, but manageable factor. To all the domesticated cat owners, I would suggest they look into the CATSindoors program to learn the importance of keeping you cat inside. And yes, there are many other avian predators out there, all of which are more successful hunters due to the massive loss of contiguous habitat.
And no, I don't think that protecting songbirds is the most important aspect of environmental conservation, but the actions taken to do so (i.e., land preservation, riparian buffers, conservation easements...) have a large effect on reducing out impacts.
Stray cats roam UVA grounds and nearby more than other city neighborhood BECAUSE immature, hormonal, irresponsible, uncaring UVA students adopt them at the SPCA and then too often abandon them. And yes,the large population of feral cats (UVA), sadly must compete for the food of Mr. and Mrs. Fox and family. No wonder the foxes are hungry and upset. The SPCA should be able to put two and two together.
The Revolver Guy is correct. At least Voices for Animals is doing SOMETHING to reduce the population. Until they started their program, nobody was even addressing this problem. All of you who are criticizing their hard work-- why don't you list all the things you're personally doing to reduce the populations of feral cats in Charlottesville and the surrounding counties. Are you personally responsible for spaying, neutering, and vaccinating HUNDREDS of cats every year? Do you have ANY idea how many births they've prevented?
Think about that for a moment. Ponder how many litters a cat can have per year, and then how many litters each of the resulting kittens would subsequently have. So, exactly how bad would our feral cat population be now if groups like VFA hadn't been performing this service for the benefit of everyone in this area.
Plop, Duhhh, and Suggest: what would you have them do? Place the feral cats into some sort of penitentiary? Do you have room for them in your house? Does anybody you know have that kind of room? We're talking thousands of cats! How many barns would that be, and exactly how many volunteers would it take to find the new homes willing to accept them? And where precisely would the cats stay while they were waiting for these new homes to materialize?
Nice of you to complain about others, but offer no realistic solutions to reducing the feral populations. When you've stood on your feet hour after hour, month after month, for years, spaying, neutering, and vaccinating other people's unwanted animals, then you can criticize the people who ARE doing something. Until then, come up with a more VIABLE solution or hush up.
I'm sure you're animal lovers, and compassionate people. But dealing with this 24/7 gives a more realistic perspective than adopting an occasional stray. Save your ire for the idiots who refuse to spay and neuter their dogs and cats.
Please see my post above. These kinds of arguments make no sense. Humans "negatively impact the environment" to a far greater extent than cats. What are you doing about it?
Just to clarify, TNR programs do not add any cats to areas. They decrease the number of cats. Wildlife adovcates should support this.
Voices and SPCA, realize everyone can improve, including YOU. The animal rights laws in this area are weak and can be improved. Stage a rally or protest at the SPCA if you know of cruelty cases the judges ignore. Believe me, that will shake them up! And we'll all be there. You, the SPCA and VOICES must go public with these cases or nothing will change. stop coddling these abusers of animals and take real action.
I suggest you stop by the taxadermist between breaking his neck and stuffing him! :)
Britney is OK. The tabloid authors and citizens who don't like her are simply jealous of her fame and money.
Jbeckham, the point is, the SPCA rolled over and allowed the local (show off officials,including UVA) to sponsor, pull off a publicity stunt! Everyone knows you can't fix the rabies problem by rounding up every fox in the area! I could understand killing the fox if it were foaming at the mouth or acting out. The fact is, this fox was not doing so. The SPCA could have isolated/monitored the animal for a time, or maybe asked the wildlife center to check it out. This situation ignores commmon sense. The SPCA fell for a stupid stunt.
They should have thrown the cats, dogs and that fox in the bag and dropped them off behind that chinese resturant and turned then into woocox.
The SPCA was in close contact with the Virginia Wildlife Center in Waynesboro during throughout this thing.
JBeckham, what exactly is this "humane" way of putting a fox down that you keep speaking of? Can you explain the process to us please? Unlike most dogs and cats, it seems to me thaT a fox is not going to go down without a fight to the finish.
Suggest:You may well have smelled an animal being cremated while you were there. We had our dog of 17 years cremated and memorialized at the SPCA, as do many people.
Your insinuation is the lowest of the several low and baseles posts.
THE local SPCA is getting away with MURDER! The SPCA group, along with your $$$ offerings, have been rightfully called into question.
Plop wrote> "Doesn't the SPCA ââ?¬Å?get it" that feral or nonneutered cats may be prone to nipping folks unless they are socialized, tamed, and fixed."
This is not true. True feral cats are, like other wild animals, fearful of humans. They do not go around "nipping" people. That is, unless they are cornered and provoked by humans who lack common sense. The most sensible and effective approach to helping feral cats and curbing the population is to sterilize and return them to their outdoor homes. As other posters have noted, taking feral or even shy cats to the "no kill" SPCA is not a good option. They don't fare well there.
The UVA fox incident reminds me of William S. Burroughs' quote (quoting Brion Gyson): Man is a bad animal.
Randomly trapping foxes and killing them is irrational and pointless. I hope the student has started her rabies shots (if she was even bitten).
Human beings need to learn how to live with other animals. Respect them. Leave them alone.
Enough of this "Kill them! They might hurt somebody" mentality.
If rampant greed, self-obsession and stupidity warranted similar treatment, every oxygen gulping dupe at the Darden School would be waiting in line for some of the same medicine the fox got.
We realize most feral cats are fearful and avoid people. The problem, there are too many cats roaming the city of Charlottesville and the County. When a kid sees a kitty, he wants to pet it. Bad idea, if the cat is semi feral. Revolver, your suggestion to neuter and return domestic cats back into the wild is plain stupid! I know because I rescued one such cat. She had been spayed and ear clipped by the local VOICES program, and then released. It took me months to catch her. She had very little to eat while roaming the streets and narrowly escaped being hit by cars. After she was trapped, she was taken to a vet to be checked out. The poor cat was full of worms, had earmites, and needed nourishment. The vet shook his head in disbelief that an agency would release unowned cats to roam and suffer in Charlottesville. The cat is now healthy and well cared for, inside our home. It is a horrible plan to neuter,release cats. Many people do not like cats in their yards killing birds. Our area has leash laws for dogs, how about a law requiring cats to be kept on the owner's property and inside their home? Outside cats are a nuisance to others and they are also unsafe.
Sane One, the SPCA needs to develop some guts to challenge the out of touch health dept. The fox had no business being killed!
Anyone know if the fox was truly rabid? I would bet my $ the answer is NO.
It is really sad to see such a beautiful animal destroyed rather than returned to the wild. Yes, I can personally say "beautiful animal" as the gray fox was in the area of the Abbington Crossing Apts for approx. 3 weeks prior to these incidents at UVA. I have a bird feeder about 20 ft. from my patio door and my first encounter was face to face. He/she returned to this area almost daily and I was in awe of being able to be so close to such a beautiful animal. I always remained calm and the fox always seemed to be calm. I never approached it, but instead just enjoyed nature at a very close distance. I pray that there are foxes in heaven, as I would love to meet it again.
while driving back to DC going out of c'ville making the left for 20 north at night I saw a fox couple weeks ago but it was given food from the wendy's I think it was a double cheeseburger
Doesn't the SPCA "get it" that feral or nonneutered cats may be prone to nipping folks unless they are socialized, tamed, and fixed? No wonder the SPCA has no understanding for the wild animals being harrassed by UVA students. By God, the SPCA board and administration need some training, and fast. Then, they in turn should educate law enforcement and the public as to frightened animal behaviors, when their territory is invaded.
Marlene Condon displays much better sense and judgement regarding wildlife, than does our SPCA. The SPCA had better stick to managing puppies and kittens. This situation has proved to be way out of their league.
What I want to know now is how much it cost to bring in the expert to capture a fox that had done absolutely nothing wrong. I doubt the price tag will ever be revealed.
Well, the verdict is in. Another senseless death!
September 9, 2009
The gray fox trapped near Lambeth Field at the University of Virginia did not have rabies in its brain, said Dr. Lilian Peake, director of the Thomas Jefferson Health District.


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create image_dir with -p in copy_pkg_to_chroot()
whoops...that shouldn't have been commented ou
src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py: replace preinst, copy, postinst, rm steps with qmerge
src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py: copy_pkg_to_chroot() overhaul - does install the Right Way(TM) (copy files to image dir, run pkg_setup, pkg_preinst, copy to /, pkg_postinst, remove image dir) and works around /etc/gconf symlink problem
remove print statement from exitsuccess() comment out second -pk run for GRP
added add_pkg_to_world()
above disabled because it sucks
kernelpkgs.txt support code
src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py: use tar | tar to copy files in copy_pkg_to_chroot() extract devices.tar.bz2 created by baselayout instead of running MAKEDEV
switch dynamic-stage3 to new method lots of bug fixes from adding debug code
src/GLIUtility.py: added parse_vdb_contents() src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py: added copy_pkg_to_chroot() added debug code to dynamic-stage3
small fix
DEBUGGING ADDED TO AT. verbose field added to CConfig.
add unpack progress to portage snapshot
src/GLIUtility.py, src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py: horrible tangled mess of code that is tarball unpacking subprogress display
turn GRP 'fix' back on
src/GLIArchitectuctureTemplate.py: comment out 2 lines that try to quickpkg again in install_packages() add definition of 'build_mode' in _configure_lilo()
small _edit_config() cleanup
insert new line under previous definition of variable if it exists
src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py: add code in _edit_config() to comment line where variable is defined previously
src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py: rework _edit_config() to not write duplicate entries
changed AT spawn command for distcc for nodeps.
src/gli-dialog.py: added set_distcc to the list GenDialog: added set_distcc. untested. IP: added install_distcc flag. AT: added install_distcc function based on the flag. runs after build_kernel
"0" instead of 0 for key of single-element dict passed to _edit_config()
value_only -> only_value
gutted out all of etc_portage structure since it is now all handled by etc_files
missing )
install_packages() sends progress update notifications sub-progress bar in gtkfe
comment out hack
run _get_packages_to_emerge() again with -pk
remove extra =
quickpkg hokey pokey
use = when emerging also
uncomment logger line
tracked down and fixed missing = causing empty install extra packages
debug code
Use best_visible instead of best_version
another damn typo
missing colon
add _portage_best_version() function and rework install_packages() to allow for future X of Y tracking
updated all core files with new GPL notice and copyright statement.
src/ArchTemplate: removed install_xorg_x11, and put the xorg.conf copying at the end of install_packages.
change calls to extra package special case functions to 'self.blah'
remove adding of xdm to runlevel. this will now be handled in the FEs.
removed get_sources_from_cd because it is obsolete. add special cases to install_packages. remove fatal exception on package install failure b/c the box will still be bootable. add install_xorg_x11
changed order of portage sync methods. made a fallback to webrsync if normal emerge sync fails.
src/ArchTemplate: changed "voodoo".
install-failed cleanup function
copy /etc/inittab.old to /etc/inittab in chroot
manually call MAKEDEV in stage3-dynamic code
give tmp_minor an initial value in mount_local_partitions so that the value remain from the previous drive
install_cron_daemon() treats 'none' specially
src/GLIArchitectureTemplate.py old patch from Steven Mertens to resolve bug #96642
check to make sure that the device node we're wait for to exist isn't of type 'free'
re-fix net.eth1+ symlink code...wtf is wrong with cvs?
Fix specific case for vixie-cron crontab call.
put back fix that disappeared somehow
updated fix minus typos :P
Add partitioning wait-for-device-to-exist code to mount_local_partitions
fix ArchTemplate for broken mountpoint creation. fix GenDialog part showing.
slight typo
Add 2>dev/null to emerge call in _get_packages_to_emerge()
added a bit of debugging code to _quickpkg_deps()
Fix post-install network code to create net.eth1+ symlink correctly
changed if logic for dynamic stage3 code
Typo in build-a-stage3 code. Remove MAKEDEV call in build-a-stage3 postscript.
Add _dynamic_stage3 option to IP. Add check for that option to dynamic stage3 code in ArchTemplate. Add option to Stage.py for dynamic stage3
modified ArchTemplate for amd64 and ppc custom kernels. skeleton implementation of _configure_yaboot. small fixes to other templates.
Aren't python types fun? Casting is important\!
Proper comments and parameters to GLIException in install_mta()
Added stage3 generation code
Added sleep(5) to partitioning code, temp got rid of the NOCOLOR in _emerge Mild changes to GenDialog.
Remove separate install step configure_rc_conf() since it's handled by update_config_files() Make a copy of newvalues in _edit_config() so quotes aren't added when the function is called twice on the same file.
Check in _quickpkg_deps() to ignore blank package names returned from _get_packages_to_emerge()
Removed explicit emerging of hotplug and no longer add it to the runlevel.
Missing \ in sed in _get_packages_to_emerge()
Add code to update_config_files() to go through etc_files and update stuff.
Changed hostname/domainname for new baselayout. Changed _add_to_runlevel errors to logs. Updated TODO list to show status of GenDialog More updates to GenDialog including two checklists that probably won't work.
setup_network_post() writes custom DHCP options to /etc/conf.d/net
Changed setup_network_post to check for 'interfaces[interface][0] != dhcp' instead of 'interfaces[interface][1]' since DHCP uses that field for its options
Make sure the return value from all spawn() calls is checked with GLIUtility.exitsuccess()
mount_local_partitions() cleanups and add else block to log unsupported netmount types to mount_network_shares()
Fix for mount_local_partitions() to remember device along with minor in the parts_to_mount dict (closes #96319).
Refactor kernel_compile common stuff, fix 2.4 build process.
2.4 support (pull version data from /usr/src/linux/Makefile), incl. 'make dep' call for custom compile. build_mode support for prepare-only and none types completed. custom compile function chains shell functions in spawned script, to allow for catching all errors.
fixed up build_kernel in ArchTemplate for build_mode as well as in dialogfe and GenDialog. other gendialog updates as well. kernel updates untested.
Add stub note in build_kernel, to remind myself about it for tommorow.
use /var/tmp instead of /root for tempfiles.
Clean up commenting used by _edit_config(), and fix bug where wrong comment was repeatedly appended to make.conf.
Put some Linux-2.6 specific code under a if statement. Store list of successfully mounted swap device for using swapoff. Add proper error checking to install_packages and install_filesystem_tools. Fixed namespace conflicts on 'file'. Clean up some redundant code (thanks to pychecker).
Change _emerge('sync') call to direct call to spawn to avoid 'emerge -k sync'
Mount /dev, /dev/shm, /dev/pts and /sys during prepare_chroot.
ensure PORTAGE_TMPDIR/PORT_LOGDIR/PORTDIR_OVERLAY/PKGDIR exist prior to any usage - this caused a failure for stage1/stage2 previously. swapoff for swap space at end of install.
Try to use binary packages if available by default.
pcmcia is not a variable name for a call to _add_to_runlevel, it should be a string!.
remove a line of debug code I commited by mistake.
More error checking for _add_to_runlevel, to ensure that the init script actually exists before we try to add it. set_services phase must take place after the package installation, otherwise the init scripts might not exist. Find the correct init script for the cron and logging daemons, and add that instead of the package atom.
Fix up _edit_config so that it works if the file doesn't already exist. Fix usage of 'file' to 'contents' for the variable name, as it shadows __builtin__.file.
forgot a make_conf item.
Add MTA install code, and include MTA install phase. Ensure PORT_LOGDIR/PORTDIR_OVERLAY are created in _emerge if needed. Add support for 'none' kernel config for build_kernel phase. Put kernel_script in /var/tmp instead of /root for build_kernel phase.
Refactor partition formatting again to include error checking. Allow 'none' for kernel and bootloader specifications. Add .cvsignore files for .py[co].
Refactor code using spawn to reduce duplication.
Move /tmp/spawn.sh and /tmp/post-install to /var/tmp since that should always be executable
Added auto-save of CConfig and copying to new /root after install. yet even more GenDialog updates.
A few more fixes for same.
Fix mount_local_partitions(), configure_fstab(), and install_filesystem_tools() to use GLISD directly
Fix use of /mnt/gentoo instead of _chroot_dir in finishing_cleanup
CC serializes install profile to disk and prepare_chroot() copies it into /mnt/gentoo/root
Fixed bug in finishing_cleanup()
undo accidental (apparently) paste in middle of comment
Fix minor bug in finishing_cleanup()
Updated finishing_cleanup for new unmounting method from agaffney.
Fix _edit_config() to properly comment out variables.
Use NOCOLOR=yes instead of --nocolor.
Added --nocolor to all emerge calls
updated both for new filename. date changes. 2004->2005.
Removed 'quiet=True' from spawn() calls
Added the function for set_etc_portage to ArchTemplate. no step for it yet. Updated _edit_config in ArchTemplate, make_config, and various other fixes from bug #89683, mostly touchups.
Fixed timezone code to not link to /mnt/gentoo/usr/share/zoneinfo/blah. Fix _edit_config()
More dirty rsync hacks :-/
Fix _quickpkg_deps() to call _get_packages_to_emerge()
Fix _quickpkg_deps()
Fix minor bug in _get_packages_to_emerge()
Split 'custom' sync option into 'none' and 'snapshot'
comma bug
Added group-adding code to set_users in ArchTemplate
added post-install script code
Reverted change to ArchTemplate and added support for commented line in old code.
reverted changes to GLIArchitectureTemplate.py
_edit_config() changes value in-place and supports ##commented##
Back. Did the docuementation thang for ArchTemplate and ClientConfiguration. Also updated TODO list.
Use blackace's one-liner to add comments for all function for use with pythondoc.
Fixed all bugs that stood in the way of partitioning from a blank disk.
Pipe emerge through sed to properly strip out junk.
check for non-blank PORTDIR and PORTAGE_TMPDIR
try to suppress error output from _quickpkg_deps()
Changed mountopts check to work for blank and whitespace
fixed ethx not being added to runlevel defalt.
added hotplug/coldplug for livecd-kernel added --emptytree to stage2.
fixed the way set_timezone works.
set mountopts to 'defaults' if empty
change " to ' in set_users()
change " to ' in set_root_password()
Remove /tmp/compile_output.log and /var/log/install.log when install is complete.
Added 'append_log=True' to all spawn() calls using logfile=
looks like it works so ripping out all the old filesystem_tools code.
forgot a line
rewrote filesystem_tools
whitespace cleanup
rem'd a print line i missed
undid previous change
Added the finishing_cleanup function.
fix typo
ripped out error checking of set_services. this is done by _add_to_runlevel.
fixing agaffney's spelling error
GRP-ish quickpkg code pulls PKGDIR and PORTAGE_TMPDIR from make.conf info in the install profile if available.
livecd-kernel code pulls PKGDIR and PORTAGE_TMPDIR from make.conf info in the install profile if available.
another bug fix to the livecd-kernel code
Switch _emerge() call to spawn() call in livecd-kernel code to pass environment variables.
small changes to setup_network_post. moved adding to runlevel of net.x to after the device gets symlinked. added domainname runlevel command.
Removed call to mkvardb in livecd-kernel code as it's now done by catalyst.
minor fix (hopefully) to livecd-kernel code
minor fix (hopefully) to livecd-kernel code
minor fix (hopefully) to livecd-kernel code
lots of stuff in both FEs and backend...read the ChangeLogs :P
should emerge hotplug and coldplug before adding them to runlevel.
added logfile parameter to spawn() calls
Added _get_packages_to_emerge() to GLIArchitectureTemplate and calls in stage1() and stage2()
spawn() outputs to the actual tty8 with display_on_tty8 flag. Compile output logfile moved into /mnt/gentoo in prepare_chroot(). Removed fifo code in gtkfe
Removed default values for stage tarball URI and portage tree URI from InstallProfile. These should be set by the FEs. also added services step to ArchTemplate and coldplug/hotplug runlevels to the genkernel step. Possibly fixed CC DHCP bug with -n. (thx agaffney)
Small fix for setting the default gateway. Also added feature to dialogfe.
only write new resolv.conf if there are dns servers listed.
more true -> True typos
Fixed a bunch of true -> True typos.
fix another true instead of True
spelling error
added progress bar to dialogfe and fix logger bug in ArchTemplate.
updates to TODO list and small change to ArchTemplate
fix 'emerge -p blah' loop and add GRP option to Stage.py
initial code for quickpkg GRP support
check for dhcp in the network stuff and emerge it if it is
Changed the raising of 'warning' exceptions to a simple log of the error so that the installer can continue.
mildly big changes. First, changed most output to display_on_tty8. Second, added log lines to all templates. small cleanups of old commented lines.
small fix. see changelog
fixed custom kernels and added runtime pretend to dialogfe
added code to allow custom kernel .config.
undo last change
swapon failure isn't an error for now
fixed NFS mounting code
Attempt at detecting and adding windows partitions to lilo.
small misc fixes. typos and such.
Added lilo code and cleaned up lilo code. also do_partitioning renamed to partition
Added mount_network_shares. not able to test it from this computer. will test when i get back to school. also added start_portmap to the client_controller as an always-do. agaffney says this is needed for NFS mounts to work.
forgot about the set_root_password
Added grp_install and services
partition code move
one more fix + changelog b/c i am a good listener
miniscule updates
found a few more _edit_configs
rewrote configure_fstab and install_bootloader for new partition format.
my midday update on GLI
changes to mount_local_partitions
added mount_local_partitions
sure hope i didn't screw anything up this time
you like the fixes? ok i'll keep em coming.
oops forgot to click save
ok large update here. first: removed _depends. second: fixed spawn()s. third: moved _ functions from Utility back to ArchTemplate 4: moved bootloader to x86Template 5: lots of misc other fixes
gettin back in my groove. lots more fixes here.
Changed the way exceptions work...
Added code in GLIArchitectureTemplate.py to write netmounts into fstab
add get_install_steps() to ArchTemplate
split ArchTemplate's preinstall() into unpack_stage_tarball() and prepare_chroot()
new size passed to ntfsresize in bytes instead of KiB
fix to partitioning code to strip .0 from end of number sent to ntfsresize
Python's handling of int vs. string sucks
minor ArchTemplate fixes
added code to preserve lba flag on partitions
moved some partition helper function code into main partitioning function
modifications to GLIStorageDevice for determining ext2/3 freespace
added partitioning code to GLIArchitectureTemplate
update to GLIArchitectureTemplate to refer back to GLIClientController
Started porting GLIInstallTemplate to the GLIArchitectureTemplate
Cleanups and updates...
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Taking couple days off
Chicago, IL
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Taking couple days off
Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:53 pm
I've a novice runner and this year I decided to run my very first full marathon. I have been running at least 5 times a week averaged 30-35 miles a week. This coming saturday I have a 10k, my problem is that I haven't ran in 5 days (due to stomach flu), will taking 5 days off from running effect me this saturday?
South Orange, New Jersey
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 2:55 pm
If your stomach flu was bad enough to force you to miss five days I'd be concerned about whether or not you might be dehydrated or malnurished. Taking five days off definitely can have an affect but probably mostly in keeping you from getting a PR (unless this is your first 10K). How do you feel? If you feel recovered and positive about the race then you should do well. Again, maybe not a PR but the rest may have done more good then harm depending on hard you've been training. The harder you've been training the more benefit the 5 days off will provide.
But I wouldn't worry about it. Getting stressed out can ruin an otherwise good race. Just go into the race planning to give it your best. Enjoy the results knowing you probably could have done better had you not gotten ill.
Good luck Mulan1231! Kick butt!!! Be sure to come back and give us a nice race report on how it all went.
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Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Rochester, NY
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:25 pm
I agree with mfox. 5 days off will definitely slow down your performance and I wouldn't be looking for PR's if I were you, but if it's just a question of whether or not you should race...if you feel up to it, go for it! But don't be bummed out if your performance isn't up to your expectations...you've got a valid excuse to use when you write us all your race report Saturday afternoon. Good luck! And what marathon are you planning on running?
Chicago, IL
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:32 pm
Thanks for your feedback guys! But I was a little disappointed in my PR. I was doing great up until I started breaking out into cold sweats and chills. Is that normal? I finished the run a 1:02:38 and my avg pace was 10:00. I am extremely dehydrated right now.....and not feeling so great. =( At this point I am a little discourage of running the full marathon. Well, I have 6 months to train for this full....so I guess I shouldn't let one little 10k make feel this way.
To answer you question (Oldmanrunner), I will be running the Chicago Marathon in October.
Joined: 14 Dec 2004
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:00 pm
Congrats on your run! This is pure "duh" info, but make certain to keep hydrated. Stomach issues will sap you of megafluids, and running on top of that can be a little dangerous (although 10k isn't a big deal for this).
Rest, rest, rest! You have PLENTY of time to train for Chicago. Let your body heal and then climb back on the horse slowly.
Welcome to the fold - we're a small but mildly insane group = )
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Rochester, NY
Joined: 28 Nov 2004
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 1:47 pm
Congratulations on a race well run. No, breaking out into cold sweats and chills isn't at all normal...it's often a sign of overheating, so be careful. Heat can be dangerous. Where do you run, and what were the temperatures like yesterday? But do remember that you were coming into this race after having been sick and not having run for several days, so not feeling well and being a bit disappointed in your time shouldn't be too surprising. Rest up, and don't worry, 6 months is a long time yet before Chicago.
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
San Francisco, CA
Joined: 26 Nov 2004
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 9:17 pm
Congratulations on the 10K Mulan! I'll echo the advice of the others here that you've got lots of time to get ready for Chicago, so don't stress out. If you broke out into chills, maybe you're not fully recovered yet from your bout with stomach flu. How long did the chills last after the race? Are you feeling better now?
When in doubt, I'd take an extra rest day to help get yourself back on your feet. Don't feel guilty: resting will help you recover much better than slogging through a workout when you're sick.
Chicago, IL
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:02 am
I've got to say this is by far the best running forum!!!! =) Thanks for all the advice! The chills lasted about 15 mintues after the run. I"m feeling better now! This coming sunday I have my first 10 mile run. Wish me luck!
Runworks 2005 5M Racer
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:43 am
I think your chills in this case were very likely because of your recent ailments, but in the future, especially in longer races, don't freak out if you get the what i call the 'shivers'. After almost every marathon I've done i get them. That's why they give you those shiny mylar blankets after long races. they are designed to keep your body heat in, which after being elevated for so long durning the race, comes down so quickly after stopping that the body feels colder than it actually is and you, of course, shiver.
And there is plenty of time till Oct 22nd. I'll be out there with you in Chicago. It's a great race. Are you training with one of the local groups this summer?
Last edited by Bricks on Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:49 pm; edited 1 time in total
Chicago, IL
Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:10 pm
That's great! How many times have you ran the Chicago Marathon? I'm still debating if I should join the local running groups for training. My friends and I actually formed a small running group, so for now it's going great. What do you guys think about joining a training group?
South Orange, New Jersey
Joined: 19 Dec 2004
Re: Taking couple days off
Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:44 pm
If your happy with the group you have and you are able to train "smart" with them then keep it up. But it wouldn't hurt to check out the other local running group. In fact, I suggest your group join the other group. You can run with the same people while gettnig to know some other people; effectively enlarging your group. You can still run with your smaller group when you all want to and then join the larger group for larger social or training runs. I know people who meet up with their running club only once or twice a week and some who only meet up once or twice a month.
I don't belong to a running group. Though I would love to join one. There just isn't a group nearby that trains nearby. There is a running club sponsored by a shoe store in the next town over but for some odd reason they have their training runs at a park and high school track that are a good 30-40 min. drive away. I spend enough time doing my runs nearby that another 30-60 minutes would really start to grind on my schedule. I've been training for a July triathlon and the time I spend training has nearly doubled. I often do a 45-60 run every weekday with another 40-70 minutes doing a swim or bike workout. So I'm not up for the additional travel time just to run with a group.
The most important thing to remember when running with other people is to make sure they don't force you to run faster or slower than you should for a particular workout. For example, if you are scheduled for an easy slow run don't let the group pressure you into running harder to keep up with them. The rule of thumb is...when you need to run easy then run with a slower group and when you need a more challenging workout run with a faster group. Don't run hard when you should be recovering, and don't run easy when you should be pushing it a little.
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TALLAHASSEE, Fla. – Battle lines are being drawn once again over a bill giving parents the ability to take over their child's failing school.
A rule of politics is count the votes before your bill hits the floor. Late in the legislative session last year, despite a GOP supermajority, the votes were too close to count.
"It has turned parent against parent," said Sen. Evelyn Lynn.
The bill in question? The Parent Empowerment Act, known as the parent trigger bill by opponents. It would allow parents to petition their kids' failing school to turn it in to a charter school.
"If we've got a bill called the Parent Empowerment Bill, then why is the PTA against the bill?" said Sen. Nancy Detert.
The legislation died on a split vote.
Now, it's back for another round. A new bill similar to last year's legislation was filed at the state Capitol this week. It's already gaining attention.
Republican Rep. Jimmy Patronis said the bill encourages parent participation.
"Anytime you can empower the parent to be more involved in their child's development, it's a positive thing," said Patronis.
House Democrat Mark Danish, a middle school science teacher, said the bill has nothing to do with parents.
"People look at, 'Oh, it's going to help with the bad schools,' but what it's going to do is it's going to turn it over to private companies to take over a school, and it's going to turn it into a profit-making venture," said Danish.
The bill may gain some traction from a Hollywood drama, released over the summer. "Won't Back Down" tells the story of two moms who fight administrators to improve their children's school.
If the bill passes, then schools receiving two consecutive F scores would be targeted. Fifty percent of parents at the school would then need to sign a petition asking the State Board of Education to turn over the keys to a charter school company.


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