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As folks here on Earth mark the start of another year, two NASA robots a world away are creeping up on a big milestone of their own: seven years on the surface of Mars.
The golf-cart-size rover Spirit landed on Mars on Jan. 4, 2004. Its twin, Opportunity, hit the planet's red dirt three weeks later, on Jan. 25. The rovers were originally supposed to tool around the Martian surface for a mere 90 days, looking for evidence of the planet's past water activity, but both have far outlasted their warranties.
In 2009, however, Spirit got trapped in soft sand and in March 2010, the rover stopped communicating with Earth. Still, mission scientists think the intrepid rover may wake up in the next few months. Meanwhile, Opportunity is still going strong, making its slow, steady way toward a huge crater called Endeavour.
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In their nearly 2,500 days on the Martian surface, the two rovers have fundamentally changed scientists' understanding of Mars, finding lots of evidence that the Red Planet was once a much wetter, warmer place. Spirit and Opportunity have also paved the way for future rover missions by testing out technologies and showing just what is possible, researchers said. [Q&A with Mars rover manager John Callas]
And, on a more abstract level, the rovers have brought Mars closer than ever before, making another world accessible to scientists and laypeople alike.
"In addition to all the scientific discoveries, these rovers have made Mars a familiar place," John Callas, Mars Exploration Rover project manager at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., told Space.com. "Mars is now our neighborhood."
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Following the water
Beginning with NASA's Mariner 9 spacecraft in the 1970s, multiple orbiters have detected evidence that liquid water once flowed on the Martian surface. Spirit and Opportunity were sent to investigate these clues, to look for more, and to put everything into a better geological context, researchers said.
The six-wheeled rovers accomplished all of this, and more. Both robots found minerals that form in the presence of water solid evidence that areas around their disparate landing sites had once been immersed. [Photos From Spirit and Opportunity]
"We were sent there under the paradigm, 'Follow the water,' to find the evidence for wet conditions," MER deputy principal investigator Ray Arvidson, of Washington University in St. Louis, told Space.com. "And we've done that."
Most of that evidence points to a wetter Mars billions of years ago. But some of Spirit's recent discoveries made after the rover got trapped in soft sand in 2009 suggest that liquid water may have trickled across the Martian surface much more recently, perhaps just hundreds of thousands of years ago.
Key find by a crippled rover
Spirit's right front wheel stopped working in 2006, impelling mission scientists to drive the rover backward instead. The rover probably would not have gotten stuck in the sand where it remains today if all six wheels had been working properly, Callas said.
But the wonky wheel proved something of a blessing. It dug a shallow trench through the Martian soil as Spirit chugged along. In 2007, one of Spirit's drag-furrows exposed subsurface deposits of pure silica, which forms when hot water reacts with rocks.
Spirit thus unearthed compelling evidence of hydrothermal systems on Mars, perhaps similar to the geysers of Yellowstone National Park, located primarily in the U.S. state of Wyoming, with sections that extend into Montana and Idaho. The find was intriguing, suggesting that large amounts of energy possibly life-sustaining energy once coursed through some Martian environments.
"Not only was there liquid water on Mars, but there were energy sources coincident with that liquid water," Callas said. "So you have a system that could potentially support an ecosystem."
Setting the technological bar high
Spirit and Opportunity were each designed to last about three months on the Martian surface, and to travel about 0.6 miles. Spirit lasted more than six years, and could still wake up. To date, it has put about 4.8 miles on its odometer, NASA officials said.
Opportunity has been roving for almost seven years now, covering about 16.5 miles as of late December, scientists have said.
"You get what you pay for," Arvidson said. "They're just well-made American vehicles that have been thoroughly tested before launch."
Arvidson said that part of the rovers' legacy will be their tremendous longevity and the solid engineering that produced them, which should be instructive for future rover missions.
"In terms of engineering accomplishments, we've set the bar so high," he said. "These vehicles are so far out of warranty, and they've traveled so far."
The rovers are also testing and working to advance technologies for future rover missions, including NASA's Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) also known as Curiosity which is scheduled to hit the red dirt in August 2012.
Curiosity's baseline flight software, for example, was tested first on Spirit and Opportunity, Callas said. Mission scientists also recently loaded Opportunity with software called Aegis, which allows the rover to sift through its own images, find interesting targets and take follow-up pictures, autonomous from the rover team back on Earth.
"That software is going to be baseline for MSL as well," Callas said.
Will Spirit wake up?
The crippled, trapped Spirit went silent on March 22, 2010, after failing to maneuver into a position that would slant its solar panels toward the sun over the course of the Martian winter. But now spring has arrived on Mars, and the rover team is holding out hope that Spirit will warm up, wake up and check in.
"We're listening now," Callas said. "We've been listening every day."
If Spirit does bounce back, it can continue to make valuable observations even while bogged down in the dirt, scientists said.
For example, researchers hope to track the radio signal from a stationary Spirit, using the rover's movement as a proxy for the rotation of Mars, Callas said. Scientists could thus get very precise measurements of the planet's rotation, which could help them figure out how big Mars' core is and perhaps reveal other important details.
"If we see a slosh, we can tell whether it's a solid or a liquid core, and that would be a really, really key finding for Mars," Callas said.
Of course, there is no guarantee that Spirit will wake up. The Martian sun will be at its strongest in March 2011, so if the rover has not risen from its slumber by then, the team's optimism will likely wane.
"That would be a bad sign," Arvidson said.
Opportunity: Seven more years?
Despite continuing to boldly trek across the surface of Mars, Opportunity is showing some signs of its advanced age. Its robotic arm is arthritic in one joint, Callas said, though the other four joints are still working well. And in the summer of 2008, the gearbox in the rover's right front wheel experienced a spike in electrical current, similar to one that preceded the malfunction of Spirit's wheel.
While Opportunity was not crippled, scientists have been driving the rover backward for more than two years, Callas said, to distribute the wear more evenly amongst the rover's gear mechanisms.
Yet despite these hiccups, the rover keeps chugging along, and most of its instruments are still in remarkably good condition, as are those on Spirit.
"Our cameras are in excellent shape," Callas said. "The rovers still have 20/20 vision all around."
So, will Opportunity make it to Endeavour, which is about 3.7 miles away at this point? How much longer will the rover tool around the Red Planet's frigid, bone-dry surface?
It's anybody's guess, Callas and Arvidson said. But the rover has turned a 90-day mission into a seven-year marathon, so it's probably wise not to bet against it or to count Spirit out.
"I think there's still quite a bit of adventure left for these rovers," Callas said.
- Making Mars a Familiar Place: Q and A With Mars Rover Manager John Callas
- 11 Things Americans Will Be Doing in Space in 2011
- 6 Facts About NASA's Next Mars Rover
You can follow SPACE.com senior writer Mike Wall on Twitter: @michaeldwall
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I don't fit in here...Sure I could list a bunch of stupid slave jobs, but if anything I suppose it only means I'm a professional loser. It's amazing what you think of people as a kid, and then you turn out to be your own biggest disappointment falling in foot steps of people you thought were fools. However I'm really enjoying reading all the interesting jobs on here.
Eric, What is the purpose of the handwheel in the video? I noticed that it seemed to not be moving as the valve closed.
I know most guys have no clue what I'm talking about.....so I'll let the video show you...... I still don't Tinker
Quote from: Sparktrician on May 21, 2016, 04:34 PMEric, What is the purpose of the handwheel in the video? I noticed that it seemed to not be moving as the valve closed. @Sparktrician Willy, The hand wheel is for manual operation. I guy can walk up to the actuator in the field, lift up on a declutch lever to engage the hand wheel. The declutch lever is the blue handle under/behind the hand wheel in the picture towards the ground.If for some reason something goes wrong electrically, say the motor burns up or a power loss, by engaging the declutch lever you can turn the hand wheel and open/close the valve. If the hand wheel turns while the actuator is operating then something is wrong inside the unit. The hand wheel should not move while the actuator is running. Eric
So where is the guy who started this thread been missing now for 5 months?? His day job has really taken him away this time.
I build these so we all have wood...lolLambeater.http://www.southstarequipment.com/
So I'm gonna bring up an old thread. I was working the other day and decided to bust out the old cell phone and record a little something.I'm a shop tech and work on Limitorque actuators. .... I know most guys have no clue what I'm talking about.....so I'll let the video show you...... Eric
Wanted to add to this thread after we came across some BIG wood during our latest shipment. This was a piece of Mahogany that got delivered today. It has got to be 15 years since we've gotten pieces this size, we always use 10/4 & 12/4 for our guitar necks, in general the boards come in 12"-20" in width, length is normally 10'-15' So today, in comes this monster, 14' in length, 38" in width 12/4, so that comes out to 133 board feet, almost perfectly flat sawn all the way across. So just how big is this tree if this is only a piece of it Just so happened, I asked someone in purchasing what we pay for Mahogany these days, she told me $8 bf Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


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It's always interesting to read the quotations of people who knew a mass murderer before he killed. They usually express complete bafflement that a person who seemed so kind and normal could do something so horrific.
Friends of Robert Bales, who is accused of massacring 16 Afghan civilians, have expressed similar thoughts. Friends and teachers describe him as caring, gregarious and self-confident before he — in the vague metaphor of common usage — apparently "snapped." As one childhood friend told The Times: "That's not our Bobby. Something horrible, horrible had to happen to him."
Any of us would be shocked if someone we knew and admired killed children. But these days it's especially hard to think through these situations because of the worldview that prevails in our culture.
According to this view, most people are naturally good, because nature is good. The monstrosities of the world are caused by the few people (like Hitler or Idi Amin) who are fundamentally warped and evil.
This worldview gives us an easy conscience, because we don't have to contemplate the evil in ourselves. But when somebody who seems mostly good does something completely awful, we're rendered mute or confused.
But of course it happens all the time. That's because even people who contain reservoirs of compassion and neighborliness also possess a latent potential to commit murder.
David Buss of the University of Texas asked his students if they had ever thought seriously about killing someone, and if so, to write out their homicidal fantasies in an essay. He was astonished to find that 91 percent of the men and 84 percent of the women had detailed, vivid homicidal fantasies. He was even more astonished to learn how many steps some of his students had taken toward carrying them out.
One woman invited an abusive ex-boyfriend to dinner with thoughts of stabbing him in the chest. A young man in a fit of road rage pulled a baseball bat out of his trunk and would have pummeled his opponent if he hadn't run away. Another young man planned the progression of his murder — crushing a former friend's fingers, puncturing his lungs, then killing him.
These thoughts do not arise from playing violent video games, Buss argues. They occur because we are descended from creatures who killed to thrive and survive. We're natural-born killers and the real question is not what makes people kill but what prevents them from doing so.
People who murder often live in situations that weaken sympathy and restraint. People who commit massacres, for example, often live with what the researchers call "forward panic." After having endured a long period of fear, they find their enemies in a moment of vulnerability. Their fear turns to rage, and, as Steven Pinker writes in "The Better Angels of Our Nature," they "explode in a savage frenzy."
Serial killers are often charming, but have a high opinion of themselves that is not shared by the wider world. They are often extremely conscious of class and status and they develop venomous feelings toward people who do not pay them sufficient respect.
In centuries past most people would have been less shocked by the homicidal eruptions of formerly good men. That's because people in those centuries grew up with a worldview that put sinfulness at the center of the human personality.
John Calvin believed that babies come out depraved (he was sort of right; the most violent stage of life is age 2). G. K. Chesterton wrote that the doctrine of original sin is the only part of Christian theology that can be proved.
This worldview held that people are a problem to themselves. The inner world is a battlefield between light and dark, and life is a struggle against the destructive forces inside. The worst thing you can do is, in a fit of pride, to imagine your insecurity comes from outside and to try to resolve it yourself. If you try to "fix" the other people who you think are responsible for your inner turmoil, you'll end up trying to kill them, or maybe whole races of them.
This earlier worldview was both darker and brighter than the one prevailing today. It held, as C. S. Lewis put it, that there is no such thing as an ordinary person. Each person you sit next to on the bus is capable of extraordinary horrors and extraordinary heroism.
According to this older worldview, Robert Bales, like all of us, is a mixture of virtue and depravity. His job is to struggle daily to strengthen the good and resist the evil, policing small transgressions to prevent larger ones. If he didn't do that, and if he was swept up in a whirlwind, then even a formerly good man is capable of monstrous acts that shock the soul and sear the brain.


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Anaerobic digester uses bacterial microbes; convert food, yard waste into clean energy. Video.
University of California, Davis
May 2, 2014
More than a decade ago, Ruihong Zhang, a professor of biological and agricultural engineering at the University of California, Davis, started working on a problem: How to turn as much organic waste as possible into as much renewable energy as possible.
Last week, on Earth Day, the university and Sacramento-based technology partner CleanWorld officially unveiled the UC Davis Renewable Energy Anaerobic Digester (READ) at the campus' former landfill. Here, the anaerobic digestion technology Zhang invented is being used inside large, white, oxygen-deprived tanks. Bacterial microbes in the tanks feast on campus and community food and yard waste, converting it into clean energy that feeds the campus electrical grid.
"It has been the thrust of my research to bring the innovations we made possible at UC Davis to commercial scale," Zhang said. "This technology can change the way we manage our solid waste. It will allow us to be more economically and environmentally sustainable. I am proud and grateful to be a part of the team who helped make this moment a reality."
It is the third commercial biodigester CleanWorld has opened using Zhang's technology within the past two years and is the nation's largest anaerobic biodigester on a college campus.
The system is designed to convert 50 tons of organic waste to 12,000 kWh of renewable electricity each day using state-of-the-art generators, diverting 20,000 tons of waste from local landfills each year.
The facility took unique advantage of its location at the now closed UC Davis landfill by blending landfill gases — primarily methane — with the biogas to create a total of 5.6 million kWh per year of clean electricity. It is expected to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 13,500 tons per year.
The READ BioDigester encompasses several of the university's goals: reducing campus waste in a way that makes both economic and environmental sense, generating renewable energy, and transferring technology developed at UC Davis to the commercial marketplace.
"The biodigester is the latest chapter in UC Davis' world-renowned legacy of environmental sustainability," said Linda P.B. Katehi, chancellor of UC Davis. "This project stands as a model public-private partnership and demonstrates what can be achieved when research universities and private industry collaborate to address society's most pressing challenges."
The project is decidedly homegrown: Campus waste is converted into renewable energy for the UC Davis electrical grid using technology invented by a UC Davis professor and licensed by CleanWorld. The company's chief executive officer Michele Wong and vice president of research and development Josh Rapport are UC Davis alumni. Rapport received his doctorate in anaerobic digestion from UC Davis under Zhang's tutelage in 2011.
"There is so much to celebrate today as we recognize the far-reaching environmental and sustainability impacts this technology will have," Wong said. "It will enable the more than 100 million tons of organic waste each year that is currently being landfilled in the U.S. to be converted to clean energy and soil products. CleanWorld is proud to be the commercialization partner with Dr. Zhang and UC Davis for these game-changing innovations. With this project, we've crossed the bridge from research and development to commercialization and proven that CleanWorld's high-solid AD system can be a feasible, cost-effective, and repeatable solution, not only for municipalities and communities, but also for universities and public institutions throughout California and the U.S."
The READ BioDigester is a closed loop system, moving from farm to fork to fuel and back to farm. Whatever is not turned into biogas to generate renewable electricity can be used as fertilizer and soil amendments — 4 million gallons of it per year, which could provide natural fertilizers for an estimated 145 acres of farmlands each day.
Nearly half of the organic waste, or feedstock, needed to operate the biodigester to full benefit will come from UC Davis dining halls, animal facilities and grounds. CleanWorld is working with area food processing and distribution centers to supply the remaining amount. Meanwhile, UC Davis will earn 100 percent of the project's green energy and carbon credits and receive all of the electricity generated.
Anaerobic digestion is an age-old process. However, Zhang's patented technology made it more efficient — capable of eating a broader variety and bigger quantity of waste, turning it into clean energy faster and more consistently than other commercial anaerobic biodigesters.
- Campus and community food and yard waste will be put inside large, white, oxygen-deprived tanks. Bacterial microbes in the tanks feast on the waste, converting it into clean energy that feeds the campus electrical grid. (graphic: Russ Thebaud/UC Davis)
The project benefits from a unique public-private partnership. While Zhang moved the technology forward, CleanWorld's commercializing efforts have made it modular, cost-effective and faster to deploy, making it one of the most advanced, commercially available anaerobic digestion systems in the country. The READ BioDigester, for example, went from bare ground to full installation within six months. Its $8.5 million cost was roughly two-thirds less than other anaerobic digesters the university researched as potential renewable energy sources.
CleanWorld financed the majority of the project with private equity and a commercial loan with First Northern Bank. Approximately $2 million in public funding came from the U.S. Department of Energy and the California Energy Commission.
CleanWorld's other two biodigesters are in the Sacramento area:
· The Sacramento BioDigester opened in December 2012 and can digest 25 tons per day. Construction is underway to expand its size to digest 100 tons per day and produce 700,000 gallons per year of renewable compressed natural gas, fueling both public and private fleets.
· The American River Packaging BioDigester in Natomas opened in April 2012. It can convert 10 tons of waste per day and generates roughly 1,300 kWh of energy daily.
About CleanWorld
CleanWorld is the leading North American innovator of advanced, high-solids anaerobic digestion (HSAD) technology. CleanWorld's BioDigesters represent a generational leap forward in anaerobic digestion technology, dramatically reducing the time and cost of construction, commissioning and operation, while increasing output, efficiency, and revenue opportunities. A subsidiary of Synergex, a global leader in technology for more than 35 years, CleanWorld was founded and is managed by people committed to the idea that our precious organic resources should never be wasted.
About UC Davis
UC Davis is a global community of individuals united to better humanity and our natural world while seeking solutions to some of our most pressing challenges. Located near the California state capital, UC Davis has more than 34,000 students, and the full-time equivalent of 4,100 faculty and other academics and 17,400 staff. The campus has an annual research budget of over $750 million, a comprehensive health system and 13 specialized research centers. The university offers interdisciplinary graduate study and 99 undergraduate majors in four colleges and six professional schools.
Additional information:
- Download biodigester photos.
- Watch a video about the UC Davis biodigester.
- Vine video: From lunch to lights.
- Visit www.CleanWorld.com.
Media contacts:
- Ruihong Zhang, UC Davis Biological and Agricultural Engineering, 530-754-9530, email@example.com
- Tracy Saville, CleanWorld, 916-853-0362,firstname.lastname@example.com, cell: 916-717-3250
- Kat Kerlin, UC Davis News Service, 530-752-7704,firstname.lastname@example.com, cell: 530-750-9195


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After leading the league in foul ball strikes in 2009, Twins opening day starter Scott Baker shrugged off the need to develop another pitch to add to his repertoire. In Charley Walters's recent column, the Pioneer Press's sports columnist quoted the righty as saying "No new pitches. Try to sink the ball and cut the ball and throw some breaking balls for strikes."
This past year 35% of his strikes came in the form of "dyslexic home runs" (those not fouled off with two-strikes). When he ran the count to two-strikes – a feat he did almost better than anybody, by the way - hitters were able to make just enough contact on 48.5% of their swings to stay alive in the plate appearance and increase his pitch count totals by one. This small inefficiency may be costing the righty small potatoes in terms of his pitch totals but the extra life was enough to give hitters another opportunity to inflict damage: Ten of his 28 home runs were allowed with two-strikes on a batter.
What was the cause for all of this partial contact? Fastball usage and location.
If you review the list of the top foul-strike leaders, you'll notice that the list shares a lot of names in common with the top fastball users. Baker not only favored his fastball heavily overall, he turned to it 66% of the time when he was in a kill count. Additionally, he went upstairs in the zone to subdue hitters. While this was lucrative for him, striking out 36.4% of hitters when throwing high gas, it also allowed for numerous nicks and ticks to stay alive.
Given this, should Baker consider adding another pitch? After all, Joe Nathan adds pitches like a celebrity hording "Friends" on Facebook and he only assumes 5% of a season's total batter matchups.
In short: No.
Baker comes equipped with two very formidable weapons in his arsenal. Believe it or not, he has one of the most effective fastballs in the American League. According to fangraphs.com's weighted runs scale, his 19.8 wFB on his heater ranked just behind Justin Verlander (24.3 wFB) and Zack Greinke (25.8 wFB) among league leaders. His fastball also induces higher-than-average swing-and-misses. On top of that, his slider is no slouch either – missing more lumber than a clear-cut forest.
In all, it's not necessary to add a pitch that has been suggested and should continue to refine his approach using what he's got – which is solid. Tweaking his pitches slightly can have just as effective results as adding a completely new pitch. For example, Cliff Lee's '08 emergence coincided with the addition of a two-seam fastball. As Baker mentioned, it getting his current set of offerings to do slightly different things, particularly with two-strikes.


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BARRINGTON — Daryl J. Robertson, 39, subject of a federal investigation into possession of child pornography images, died Sunday, according to an obituary submitted to area media on Thursday.
BARRINGTON — Daryl J. Robertson, 39, subject of a federal investigation into possession of child pornography images, died Sunday, according to an obituary submitted to area media on Thursday.
No cause of death has been confirmed. Robertson is a former resident of Greenland and Eliot, Maine, but is now listed as being a Barrington resident.
Robertson, a former teacher at St. Thomas Aquinas, was facing seven felony counts alleging possession of images of nude boys engaged in sexual behavior, according to court records. Foster's previously reported that Robertson was charged after police conducted a search at Robertson's former home in Greenland on Jan. 31, and found a disk containing "explicit images of minors engaged in sexual activity."
According to the Portsmouth Herald, court records indicate that the search was initiated by federal agent Scott Kelley, of the U.S. Postal Inspection Service.
In an affidavit for the federal warrant, filed at U.S. District Court of New Hampshire on Jan. 31, Kelley wrote that since October 2010, he had been investigating the production and international sales of child exploitation films, according to the Herald. The films were shipped from an unspecified country to a New York warehouse, which had been raided.
Investigators found information about hundreds of Americans who had ordered the material, including one repeat customer with a billing address of 285 Post Road in Greenland, which was Robertson's home until he moved to southern Maine, according to the Herald.
Robertson is alleged to have purchased child pornography between September 2010 and April 2011, according to a court affidavit.
Robertson was employed for six years as a music teacher at St. Thomas Aquinas, but was dismissed after an arrest for alleged inappropriate touching of a student visiting his home. In March 2009 he was given a suspended jail sentence for sexually assaulting the former student by reaching out and grabbing him through his bathing suit. He was sentenced to 10 days in the Rockingham County jail, with all of it suspended pending his good behavior for a year.
The conviction was subsequently annulled.
In June, Robertson's case was transferred to Rockingham County Superior Court, after he waived his probable cause hearing at Portsmouth Circuit Court, according to the Herald.
Reached by phone on Thursday, Strafford County Attorney Thomas Velardi said he was not aware of Robertson's death. He said that typically, when defendants die in the middle of a case, the charges against them are nolle prossed, meaning the charges would no longer be prosecuted.
In his obituary, Robertson is described as a loving husband, son, and brother. Raised in Greenland, Robertson graduated Portsmouth High School, and went on to teach music in several communities, including Barrington, Laconia, Dover, Allenstown, and Epsom.
He also developed his own landscaping business, which was primarily a summer occupation.


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I could be completely wrong. I'm the furthest thing from an expert. I think that the sessions of a multisession CD should all be on track #1. You show that each session is on a separate track. I haven't used a CD for so long that I can't remember if that should be right. For general info, the CD specification allows CDs a maximum of 99 tracks. DVDs have no such limit.
It's really strange that cd-info says your Sony DRU-840A can write to a DVD-RAM but no other kind of rewritable DVD.
Sony's website
says a DRU-840A can write to anything.
Is there any chance that you could try burning Puppy to a DVD-R using Burniso2cd?
The only other thing I can think of is to suggest you try to update the firmware of the Sony. If that's even possible, you'd have to do it from Windows.
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Hi all!
I write this in my dpup-484beta4, running from a live-CD, burnt multisession on my ancient, builtin Sony CD-RW CRX140E, rev. 1n, burn speed 4. I have experimented with burning multisessions and modifying sfs's, and - as discussed in another thread, adding applications to folders stored on the multisession CD/DVD, for easy retrieval and installation of massive programs from the CD/DVD, whitout the need for a net connection, and without compromising boot speed.
I think some interesting text came out of Lookinglass360's cd-info, namely the line:
' Can read multiple sessions (e.g. PhotoCD) : Yes '
Please correct me if I am wrong, but that is a function introduced with the Kodak photo CD, and was invented some time before last stoneage! (try bringing an old Kodak photo cd into a photo-lab and ask them if they can make prints; if they have only Windoze-based software, they'll just scream and run!) You can also read lower down, in the 'CD Analysis Report', the dates in the description of the program used, indicating that multisession is not exactly a recently added function.
I made several multisession CD's that would not boot, because I used the commandline to burn, and obviously did not do it right. In the end, one mistake turned out to be a simple typing error that I repeatedly pasted into the command, but that is another story...
There is a file named /usr/sbin/remasterpup2, that contains the command used when remastering a cd, which looks like this:
mkisofs -D -R -o dpup-485.iso -b isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4 -boot-info-table puppylivecdbuild
Apart from the file names, you
have to
use all that code!
The sfs's were made from folders in a folder in /tmp named 'puppylivecdbuild' (as original), with the command:
mksquashfs puppylivecdbuild/ dpup-485.iso -keep-as-directory
The files were burnt multisession with burniso2cd, located in /usr/sbin/burniso2cd.
There is given an option to verify the burn, have you tried that?
I always took great care to keep any out any modifications made to the original files from the downloaded original .iso, unless they were intended, and made all the mods and burns on a machine not connected to the net. I have several old linux-boxes, and I still got some CD's that will not boot on all, a reason may be because not all graphic drivers are present. It is also very difficult to keep out all of the necessary mods you make to the session you are copying, I don't know if there are any hard links that may screw up some attempts to remove all the modifications
There definitely are some flaws in the puppy scripts for making a remastered CD/DV. I have tried to make my own recipe to remember all steps, but I always end up with new icons not looking as they should, prefs that I wanted included have gone missing and so on, I have never succeded in making a single remastered CD/DVD exactly as I intended it to be! But,
the day will come
Edit: I also remembered another issue, linked to this problem: If you try to use the boot command 'puppy pfix=1' as described in a post earlier, while only having one save on the CD, it will go halfway into the boot process, and end abruptly with: 'kernel panic: attempting to kill init', forcing a physical removal of the power cord to stop the machine! Mmm, great fun every time!
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I haven't found the solution in any of the threads I could find.
While the Multi-session CD-R would not reboot after first save,
it Does boot with the use of a usb bootflash stick.
The usb bootflash stick has had its syslinux.cfg altered to pmedia=cd.
When the boot takes place using the usb bootflash stick,
with the cd inserted as well,
the OS boots and the saved file is loaded.
Also, the process never looks for my other save files on the hard drive.
The usb bootflash stick does otherwise boot and then discover my other save files, when that cd is not used.
I am doing this with racy-5.5.
The CD-R was burned on an usb disc burner. But, this Laptop (I read it) won't boot from the external player.
I am now hoping that this little bit of information about the usb bootflash stick being able to boot the previously saved session on the CD-R will lead to a resolution.
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How exactly did you make the USB bootflash stick?
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Hi Flash,
It was created a while ago, but I just happened to try this after reading the threads on this subject.
To my recollection, I made it as I have for a few of the puppy(s). I used the Bootflash Install Puppy to USB. I most likely used the default choice which is USB-HDD.
Then, I go into the syslinux.cfg and change pmedia=usbflash(?)(I would have to make a new one to confirm that was the original text), to pmedia=cd.
I usually use that usb flash stick to boot and discover my save files on the hard disk. I guess that is common. Sometimes I use a cd to boot when I want to run in ram without mounting anything. (more info than you asked for)
Also, earlier I created an .iso from that usb flash stick, and then burned that to a cd-r. It was a try my luck attempt at getting a cd-r with save file to boot on it's own.
The disc would not boot at all.
And, my system will say that it is unable to locate the OS when I try to boot a cd-r with a session saved. But it will work with the usb bootflash stick accompanying it. (not that last one that I made from the files on the usb bootflash stick, only ones made from the official racy-5.5.iso)
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Thank you.
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It looks like that works then.
Do you think someone might be able to use that bit of information to figure out how to adjust the scripts, so as to make the originally intended utility of being able to use those cd(s) on any machine while also maintaining an ongoing update to saved sessions a reality?
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I don't know enough to say. Let's hope that someone who does know will read this thread.
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I was trying to burn to a racy-5.5 cd with saved sessions, the same files that existed on the cd-r prior to first save. I tried to introduce the first four (boot.cat, boot.msg, help2.msg, help.msg), but pburn did not place duplicates onto the disc. It indicated that the burn was successful, but no duplicates are there upon inspection.
Then, I did something that I would think has been done before. I put a racy-5.5 cd with no save file in my laptop drive and powered on. Then I F2(ed) to options screen. Then I ejected the disc and replaced it with one that was unbootable due having had sessions saved to it. Then I typed "puppy" at the prompt and the boot went through. The save sessions were recognized and loaded.
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Mitchellray, the duplicates probably
burned on the disk. If I remember right, Puppy (or maybe it's Rox) shows what's on the disk by combining everything and showing only the latest version if there are two files or directories with the same name. Look at the date the file or directory was created on the disk.
Thanks for the tip about starting the boot with a pristine Puppy CD, then switching. As far as I can remember, nobody has done that before.
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Anyone else hyped for Classic WoW?
Would be interested in forming a classic horde guild when it happens, didnt consider doing it with other URealms fans at first cause from what I could see most people here that do play, play Alliance.
Not sure what you meant by other off topic thread. If you are talking about the blizzcon one its still around.
Gonna roll a warlock, which been my main since I really got into wow(late BC/early wrath?). At 60, I can summon a Doomguard that will break my control and go on a rampage after a few minutes x3. I at least hope that is a vanilla spell<.<.
Bummer thou' that Exotic Pets wasn't a thing back then, 'cuz a hunter with a Devilsaur pre-mass-shrink was massive. (Or someone just made theirs grew massive, I was still a new when I saw that giant walking around in Orgrimmar)
I remember being so sad when I found out that the night elf Mohawk Mr T thing was gone when I first played; I remember the first thing I did when we finally got dsl internet was download the game. It took days to download but the 10 day free trial or however long it was was just enough time to reach level 20 something on my undead warlock guy and was able to summon an undead mount; I bought a subscription soon after. Eventually lost its hold on me though and I was able to drop the game. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm down to clown with a group from the forum sometime for nolstalgias sake.
I'd love to get into the WoW that people remember, but I don't know if I'm willing to pay for an account subscription.
@SquareoftheLightOnes you can play WoW for free up to lvl20, you just wont be able to hold onto more than 10 gold, join a guild, use mail boxes, or go into the higher level zones.
I dont know if they will let people play classic for free or if that has its own expansion price.
Legion, the recent expansion had a $60 purchase I believe I wouldn't be surprised if WoW Classic had a paywall of its own considering how many people wanted it back.
I've been thinking about getting into WoW for a little while now. I think since just before Legion the thought has been rattling in my head. However I still have two problems that is preventing me from actually playing.
While I do know a bit about WoW lore, I still feel like I would be missing out on like a metric **** load of story. There have been 6 expansions on top of Vanilla, each with the two faction's sides of the story and side stories. Meaning about 14 games worth of content of potentially 100+ hours each, although I don't know if you could just use the 2 characters(one for Horde, one for Alliance) and experience all the story with them(Cause you know, Low level stuff).
Its not the time commitment to play that's keeping me, its the fact that I would be jumping into Legion or Battle for Azeroth with little to no context of many things leading up to that point.
Second is the subscription fee. Im willing to pay for a game, im not that cheap, but a subscription of $20 a month is kind of a lot. I mean it's not unreasonable, but it is a bit pricey; $240 a year + actually getting the expansion which is usually like $60(And assuming you only have to buy one).
Then if that wasn't enough to put me off there's the fact that Black Desert is a flat $10(or $30-50 if you want starter goodies which is still cheaper) and graphically superior(Not that graphics are a deal breaker for me) with competent and comparable game play, albeit not as rich of a story. Which makes me hesitate on getting WoW even more despite the fact I've loved the story and characters I do know about.
Since they are making a Classic server, maybe that's the best time to get into it. IDK. I guess I just need some convincing from someone who has played before and can say that my concerns aren't as bad as I think they are.
*Le Sigh*
The eternal, internal conflict continues... To WoW, or not to WoW. That is the question...
@girclassgamer Financially I can see where you are coming from, but once you buy the current expansion you dont have to worry about it afterwards, just go have fun killing things or meeting new people. Subscriptions are $15 a month or less depending on your sub plan.
There 3 different sub plans. $15 a month which is standard, $42 every 3 months which is $14 a month which saves you $12 a year, and there is $78 for 6 months which is $13 a month which saves you $24 a year. (reading off the website)
Lore pfft, not gonna be that big of an issue trust me. If you are into lore and stuff you can learn about it and what not if you want, but not being in the know about the lore will not take away from the experience, unlike game of thrones. There are usually about 5 main things that you need to know when an expansion comes out when it comes to lore and that usually gets shoved in your brain during the first couple hours from questing. Its how Blizzard likes to do exposition dumps.
Pretty much every expansion's important lore/climax's can be summed up into their own two sentences each.
Horde or Alliance questing in most of the expansions ive found to be very "similar" or down right exactly the same except names get switched around.
You can go out there and kill stuff, learning the game on your own or with friends. Just doing that was a blast for me.
WoW allows you to have almost any kind of journey you want or could think of, whether it be achievement hunting, guilds, pvp, collecting, finances you can pretty much do it. WoW classic If I remember correctly was alot less restricted with some things than today because of pvp and stuff.
Your concerns are not that bad. the only one i think your fretting over too much is the finances cause you said $20 lol.
Thanks, the lore thing is actually a huge relief. And yeah, I was looking at the wrong thing for the Sub fee, still a bit pricey but more manageable. Might give it a go once I have more free time since right now is a bit busy. Now to agonize on what class and name to go with first!
@girclassgamer My personal favorite class is Warrior Tank, But I would recommend for new players shaman or druid as those two can do the 3 specializations so you can change play styles when ever you want whether it be damage/tanking/ or healing.
I prefer The Druid over Shaman because it has 4 different specializations to choose from, 2 for damage 1 for tanking and 1 for healing. Druids can also turn into different animals which can be fun.
I can't wait! I've never played vanilla wow so when it comes out so I'll be experiencing it for my first time which makes me hyped to try it, I hope I'm not disappointed. I always thought the only wow I've played of legion was too casual. I liked playing it but it was so casual i didn't even use a rotation for my paladin and I just spammed buttons and I won fights easy. To be fair a paladin is pretty casual with the 3 get out of jail free cards and the blessings, but I didn't even find out I could use blessings until suramar and I did fine. I want to be challanged from the beginning to the very end only taking a break for professions.
I really hope I'm not disappointed.
Edit: just leaned what a paladin did in vanilla lol. Now I wanna level a warrior or something.
I've basically spent the last week at work during slow hours thinking of character concepts, you know: Class & Race + name. Im ready for when I jump in!
I'm just curious if there'll be PvP-realms, RP-realms and what-not; oh, and of course whether or not it'll be free, subscription or a one-time fee. I'll definitely end up getting it if it's free or one-time fee but I'll have to deliberate on the price if it's subscription. - I sure miss the older days of WoW, but in the end its' mainly the mix between community and game that keeps you in the game.
I never got to play WoW, but I've always been interested in giving it a shot and it seems fun to get in on playing classic and whatever the updates to live WoW bring at the same time, depending on cost of the collective sub.
If my XIV raid group is still flopping around (irl problems for most sadly) by the time Classic is released, I'll happy bounce over and give Classic a go for a while.
Maybe we should form two Urealms guilds on the same server, one for horde and one for alliance, that way both sides can interact with each other.
Tuna Bandits for the Horde and Salmon Stealers for the Alliance! (or Unforgotten Horde and Unforgotten Alliance. Guild names for URealms is hard... would we even do guilds for both "battle for Azeroth" and Vanilla servers? 4 guilds to manage, 0_0 yeesh...)
Both guilds fight over divine decisions and what not from time to time for fun.
@Gterra2 I feel like one guild for Classic and one guild for Modern would be the easiest to manage, or if you can have a hybrid that fits both. (Edit/Addition): By hybrid I mean if they allow a guild to be both Classic and Modern.
@UnluckyBimi okay here is the thing, not everyone is gonna want to play one side or one server type when this all comes out so, the minimum amount of guilds we would need is 4 unless nobody wants to do "battle for azeroth" then it'll be 2 guilds minimum because of people wanting to play either horde or alliance in vanilla.
Making and deleting guilds cost nothing if I remember correctly, so we can start up the guilds when ever, itd just be a matter of time before someone else takes the name of the guild which shouldn't really be a problem because of the size of our community.
The current guilds cannot span multiple servers, especially of differing types like this because of how many changes wow has gone through over the years. Class has been extremely reworked, leveling has been reworked, clothes can be altered, lots of things have been changed or added between now and then. Guilds can transfer servers but thats only possible for the founding/guildmaster character to do that by paying to change realms/servers for that specific character, and doing so would kick everyone out of that guild automatically.
Its like Pokemon transferring, you cant bring Pokemon introduced in generation 7 all the way to generation 1.
Managing 4 guilds should not really be a problem if there is a discord for the founders/guild leaders and main guild members/officers of each guild to communicate and what not.
I was not very clear before, I meant for one person to manage 4 guilds. For one person to manage all 4 at once would be extremely difficult unless all the guilds are used by the same players across both server types and even then that would be a lot to keep track of for one person.
@Gterra2 I remember guilds costing 10G (sure, not a big amount) but that's sorta irrelevant to a player past level 20 (I remember gold being easy to get). - "The current guilds cannot span multiple servers" not entirely true if we just go by chat between Classic<->Modern (I don't mean actually having the guild on both servers, and I know it's an unlikely scenario but I threw it in there anyhow). - Managing 4 guilds themselves as one person wouldn't actually be that hard, but it's more-so maintaining the guilds that would be (plus, then there's the debate on whether to have it on a PVP, Normal, RP server, etc). - There's also the entire "Who'd be the leader" debacle for each guild (or collectively) with the entire rules, bank, ranks, etc. - There's a lot to consider, and then there's also the question of "Is it worth it" if we have like 100 people playing horde on Classic but 5 on Alliance to actually form an actual guild for the alliance side of those.
Anyhow, negativity aside about potential problems (and number of guilds at the moment): The "best" way I can see, in theory, is to have a "council" in charge of each URealms guild that vote on what the rules should be, how rule-breakers should be dealt with and what-not (plus, we don't exactly know how Classic will deal with guilds so it's better to have an all-round solution pre-ready rather than a make-shift at the go).
@UnluckyBimi Gold would never be an issue.
Considering we dont know the exact details of the upcoming classic servers, I have theorized that it might take a separate subscription from the regular WoW subscription, and be behind its own launch title/"game" in the blizzard launcher which may make some people here on the forums choose between the two which would be very unfortunate.
I dont think there would necessarily be a "Leader" for the guilds, as it/they would belong to the URealms Community and as a group we would decide things.
Mainly just have the guild be a place where we all could hang out and do what ever we wanted and not necessarily stick to one focus like pvp or raiding, as I can understand from experience being in several guilds that focuses on a single thing can limit interest and that would not be beneficial as we are a varied community with all sorts of interests. Roles for the guilds will be necessary and more than likely would be held by people would be online most often so deciding who gets what role should be dealt with when we actually get to that point.
I dont believe that many people here on the forums are experienced WoW players or would like to participate in things like pvp or raiding regularly. If we dont have enough players for those sorts of things we could always invite people outside the URL community for that. Plus, itd advertise the show/community a little bit. I really dont think a debate over what kind of guild we'd be is nessecary as more than likely we'd be a "Jack of all trades guild".
Well if there are 100 horde players in a guild vs only 5 in alliance (somehow lol) or something to that degree, then just having mostly everyone in one guild on a classic or BfA server would work great as we would all be in one place, for the most part.
Edit: argh! you did another comment whilst I was typing! ;_;
@Gterra2 Yeah, sorry for doing another comment while you were typing. - I'm just being a negative nancy to point out the potential bad things. - Although some things would definitely need to be decided before the guild is made: Server (not necessarily the focus of the guild, but would matter), Leader-structure (I do trust a good bunch of the URealms community, but some people may not turn out to be that good and may screw over others). - I never said anything against being a Jack-of-all-Trades guild, just what server (since there's plenty of Raiders on PVP servers and PVPers on RP servers, etc). - Personally, I think the guild's best bet (in terms of server) would be a RP server, as they allow for PVP, Raiding, and RP (which other servers aren't really big on). - I totally agree on the not many on the forums seeming to be experience WoW players, but isn't that all the more that there needs to be a basic structure down so that they can see that much at least to give them some closure that it won't turn out to be a dead guidl?
@UnluckyBimi pointing out the bad points isn't always a bad thing. It help us to potentially make things better in the long run because we will be more aware of said things.
As far as the leader structure, important roles should mainly be given to those that most everyone knows or has a good reputation on the forums and what not. (Which would not be me, I think I'm one of the least popular/known people on the forums lol, Also I couldn't really lead, im pretty sure id crack under the pressure.)
I completely agree, an RP server would be very beneficial as it would be a safe environment for people learning the game, (the only thing we'd have to worry about for RP servers is keeping the new guys as far away from Gold-shire as possible xD)
It was never gonna be a very active guild in the first place, considering the size of how many people on the forums that I currently know of, which is very low right now.
It may grow after it has been successful after a while, or if someone everyone knows joins in on the action and talks about it which would be very motivating for some people.
I dont think the guild/s should be exclusive to URealms forum's members. Inviting other players would help with keeping the guild/s "Alive". And to be perfectly honest, id be perfectly fine if the guild/s last only a month or so, as long as we actually all had fun doing it. I do not expect something like this to last a long time with our current numbers.
@Gterra2 I agree with the non-exclusive, however I don't think that should be the case at the very start since the initial purpose (from this forum-section) seems to be for URealms fans to have a "place" within WoW together. I think the minimum amount of people for the guild to continue being alive would be 15 (with like 8 actives minimum) to 30 since from my experience 13 is the lowest count I've had in an "active" guild back when I used to play and any less makes it more-or-less "dead". - BTW, I wouldn't really say you're unknown on the forums as I recall your name as one of the people I see regularly on the forums... But all new members need to take the gauntlet of RPing as Phineas on EXP during a trip to Goldshire (this is a joke, but I do think it'd be very amusing to see all the Phineas-attempts).
@UnluckyBimi I agree as well for having it be exclusive at first and then opening up to more people as players become more independent and what not.
I think we should figure out the whole activity thing once we a general baseline of people. I would like for there to be about minimum of 20 people (not counting characters) in the guild if possible, but as I see it that would just be a pipe dream.
Im aware im somewhat known, just not what id like to be known for at times... -.- I don't really see myself as a regular. I may be logged in all the time, but I only really interact on the forums when I have nothing else to do or when someone is having technical issues.
When we send the Phineas squad to Goldshire we got to keep a leash on them so they don't get trapped in the second floor or by the night elves, lol.
@Gterra2 Last time I was on, roughly 2 years ago, it was Draenei-Panda squads in Goldshire. I know that 'cause I warned a real-life friend about Goldshire he said "Can't be that bad" and has since been scarred. - I'm similar to you, logged in most of the time but not a heavy commenter (although I typically comment when I see high-possibilities stated as fact... 'cause I'm a nurd).
I've not played WoW before so I don't know how guilds work. Are they Faction neutral? Sounds like it, but with the PvP stuff Im not sure.
So to get a coehesive thought:
1-2 Guilds. 1 For Classic(If faction neutral). I think just calling it "URealms" would be fine, personally.
One for Modern if enough people are on board to feasibly sustain both for a month or so. (Will have to run the numbers and come back to this one. That was a joke in case you missed it.)
Side Note: RP Servers preferably
I think when the time comes we start a new thread, probably called "Urealms WoW guild" , to say "Hey this is a thing, those who play WoW and are also URealms fans"
also to list what server(s) the guild is on
how to join said guild (if we are being semi-exclusive)
guild rules(How NOT to get kicked out)
Also maybe a list of members(Forum names) and their character(s) (in case we don't want a guild of just 20 Phineas').
Look good?
On a personal note: Im definitely making a Nisovin character for this!
@girclassgamer Horde and Alliance are the main factions. Horde characters cannot join alliance guilds and vice versa, nor can they communicate with each other in game.
I highly doubt anyone here from the forums would be doing PvP, but if you do get the urge there is an easy way to enable and disable world pvp for your character on any server.
More than likely Either I or @UnluckyBimi will make an announcement thread for the guilds depending on how the WoW classic servers work and if they are behind a paywall. Also once we actually decide on a server once the list is out.
More than likely we will be doing what we have mentioned above when it comes to recruiting which is exclusive to URealms at first and over time other players join if we want to get bigger and maybe more serious.
Guild rules would probably be the same as on these forums. Dont be a dick, dont cause trouble, all that good stuff.
In guilds characters can have nicknames/notes in the guild charter, so if identification becomes an issue their forum name should be there or on a list. Identification shouldn't be a problem as its not possible for anyone to have the exact same name for their character.
Just dont take the nisovin name.


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Exploring Hydrocarbon Depletion
kiwichick wrote:funny thing ......how many reports by credible scientists working on climate related issues are saying the problems are not as bad as previously thought?
We discuss the central role played in Guy's dating scheme, the time of our extinction, by a single "paper" (which turns out to be just a blog post) by Malcolm Light of the Arctic News. I've written extensively about the unreliable nature of Malcolm Light's pretty wild prediction, including the very month and year all humans will be gone from the Northern Hemisphere.
In what looks like a scientific paper, complete with complex graphs and charts, we find this stunning announcement: "The absolute mean extinction time for the northern hemisphere is 2031.8 and for the southern hemisphere 2047.6 with a final mean extinction time for 3/4 of the earth's surface of 2039.6."
Well that's pretty precise isn't it? In August 2031, say goodbye for those of us in the Northern Hemisphere.
onlooker wrote:Kaiser your designation of Doomers is farcical. One reason I like being here is because we talk about reality without blinders. The majority of people are in active or passive denial about what is going on in this planet. Doomers are in fact realists. The full reality of what is going on is just too much for most to handle. That does not make the reality and facts any less real. As Cid stated we are ALREADY witnessing the destabilization of the planets climate system. It does not get more shocking than that. So name calling of the kind you and Jesus are resorting to, is a sign of how emotionally invested you are. I can just as easily call you cowards. But I prefer not too and it is against the COC of this site
KaiserJeep wrote:AGW, if real, is a symptom.
jesus_of_suburbia wrote:Communities aren't going to prepare, and we are probably not going to see any positive collective action. We are likely headed for the worst case that will happen rapidly on a geological timescale. However, that doesn't mean we should entertain self-serving doom peddlers like McPherson and Cid Yama.
eugene wrote:If we get a large, sudden release of methane, it will be over suddenly. I am greatly amused by the inability of people to even entertain the idea that McPherson is right. When potentials, I don't like, are ignored, one can find him/herself in deep shit totally unprepared. More and more climatologists see quick changes occurring in the situation we may be in ie abrupt climate change.
I view people who resist any idea of a negative potential, I am reminded of myself. Twice in my life, I denied the potential only to have it happen. It is not a pleasant experience. But if the potential for an unpleasant reality frightens you, denial is an option.
KaiserJeep wrote:jesus_of_suburbia wrote:Communities aren't going to prepare, and we are probably not going to see any positive collective action. We are likely headed for the worst case that will happen rapidly on a geological timescale. However, that doesn't mean we should entertain self-serving doom peddlers like McPherson and Cid Yama.
Nevertheless, Cid is a longtime member in good standing who obeys the rules. Even "self-serving doom peddlers" is borderline for this particular online community - when applied to another member by name. Anything goes (within the bounds of normal language decorum) as far as opinions about outside publishers such as McPherson, as they are not PO.com users.
You haven't - quite - exceeded the rules. We appreciate good and respectful dialogue as it promotes interaction and furthers understanding.
So feel free to abuse "self-serving doom peddlers" as much as you wish, as long as you do not include other members by name in the group being abused. If they feel themselves that the descriptor "self-serving doom peddlers" includes them, then that is their problem. You are also free to borrow "AGW Fanboys" and "Doomies" from me, and heap derision upon them, without naming other members.
onlooker wrote:How is pointing out "headed for the worst case " by McPherson and Cid Yama then self-serving peddling? The only ambiguity to me is time span as estimated by McPherson and Cid Yama . Even there we don't and will not know till and when it happens or does not . So why label them prematurely
KaiserJeep wrote: That puzzled me, too. I can see how "self-serving doom peddlers" applies to McPherson and his website, but I don't see how it would apply to Cid, who has nothing to gain or lose other than the respect of other PO.com members. He does a good job justifying his assertions and beliefs, even if I don't share some of them.
KaiserJeep wrote: Which is more than I can say for "jesus_of_suburbia", who loses points for abusive language, profanity, and fails to explain his opinions. I'm not using the derivative "jesus" for anybody, either. So "Sub", explain yourself.
KaiserJeep wrote:The end of what, exactly?
We need to look for another place to live.
KaiserJeep wrote:Cid and I have traded opinions in the past about AGW, and frankly the AGW Fanboys bore me, and I won't read such threads. FWIW, I don't think that any amount of common sense and any amount of data disproving AGW will ever register with the fanboys. AGW is the thing that for most of them occupies the hole in their souls left when they excised religion.
Once you understand that, you understand that you will never change their minds, and that they will continue to exclude from consideration the copious and growing amounts of data disputing AGW. At that point, you are in effect disputing somebody's religion, even if most of them would resentfully insist that they have no religion. What that means is Science is their religion, and the men in white lab coats are their priests.
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1999. National Geophysical Data Center, United States. Department of Commerce, United States. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and United States. National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service. This raster dataset provides bathymetry information at a resolution of 90 meters for New England- from coastal regions to the edge of the continent... National Geophysical Data Center.


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Information in this article may not be canonical to the storyline of the games or any other Sonic continuity.
Final Mova (ファイナルムーバ Fainarumūba?), also called Final Mover, is a transformation in the anime series Sonic X. It is the combined form of Dark Oak, Black Narcissus and Pale Bayleaf, with Dark Oak being the dominant mind, created through the Metarex's forestation process. This transformation was the culmination of the Metarex's plans to eradicate all non-plant lifeforms in the universe. However, this form was defeated by Sonic the Hedgehog and his allies of heroes and villains alike.
Metarex Saga
Dark Oak, Black Narcissus and Pale Bayleaf's transformation into Final Mova took place on Planet Aqurius when a millennia-old phenomenon created a rift into another universe. Using their stolen Planet Eggs to provide water and the seven Chaos Emeralds to provide light (the essentials for plant life), the Metarex used the energy from the phenomenon to transform into the first stage of Final Mova. As Sonic the Hedgehog and his allies tried to stop Final Mova, the monster wrapped itself around the Blue Typhoon with it vines to break the bridge. In an attempt to kill Sonic the Hedgehog, Final Mova swallowed him alive, trapping him underneath the surface of Planet Aqurius.[1]
Utilizing the Master Emerald, the heroes destroyed two of Final Mova's heads with a powerful shot from the Sonic Power Cannon. However, Dark Oak's consciousness survived, who had Final Mova absorb the Chaos Emeralds' power and turn itself and Planet Aqurius into a seed, but not before Amy rescued Sonic. Now in its final stage, Final Mova spread its power across the galaxy, causing plants to flourish and animals and robots to wither away. However, its form was destroyed by Super Sonic and Super Shadow after the Chaos Emeralds were recharged, thus foiling the Metarex's forestation project.[2][3]
In a last attempt to seize victory, Dark Oak began compressing Final Mova's core with a gravitational field until it could create an explosion that would destroy the universe. This also produced a gravity field that kept Super Sonic and Super Shadow at bay. However, Final Mova was immobilized when Cosmo, having undergone a transformation, dissipated its gravitational field and planted herself on top of it. Final Mova was then hit with the Sonic Power Cannon loaded with Super Sonic and Super Shadow which finally destroyed the creature, though at the cost of Cosmo's life.[2][3]
Powers and abilities
Final Mova possesses a variety of different powers in each of its forms that are fueled by the Planet Eggs and the seven Chaos Emeralds, arguably making it the strongest entity in Sonic X. For each form it takes, Final Mova's power grows exponentially greater, eventually reaching the point where even two super forms are unable to defeat it alone.
First form
In its first form, Final Mova is in the last stages of the Metarex's forestation project and is extremely powerful thanks to the seven Chaos Emeralds. It can use its roots as tendrils to attack or restrain enemies, either by extending them or growing them at an extraordinary rate. It can also grow roots from its neck. However, its roots are noticeably fragile.
Final Mova's main body has high durability, withstanding the impacts from several missiles and easily brushing off Sonic and his allies' attacks. Even after being hit with the full power of the Master Emerald and losing two of its heads, Final Mova still survived. In addition, Final Mova has high physical strength, easily tearing through the Blue Typhoon's interior and outer armor without effort, though it struggled against Shadow's level of strength.[1]
Final Mova's first form is capable of projecting energy as laser beams from its mouths which pack enough power to destroy one of the Blue Typhoon's engines in one shot. It also has hydrokinetic abilities that enabled it to create water sprouts from its roots to eject foes and even rise the water levels of Planet Aqurius. Final Mova can also launch its fur as clusters of over-sized needles.
A more miscellaneous power of Final Mova's first form is its ability to manipulate the dreams. When it had caught Sonic, it kept his mind trapped in a dreamscape while he was conscious and, at the same time, fought Sonic's attempts to resist it.[2]
Second form
After absorbing all of the chaos energy from the Chaos Emeralds, Final Mova completed its metamorphosis into its final state. In this form, Final Mova's energy levels rises so rapidly that they cannot be measured.
In this form, Final Mova can generate galaxy-encompassing waves that cause plants to grow rapidly. However, animals or robots affected by these waves will be drained of life energy, resulting in growing weakness and eventually death, in order to accelerate plant growth. Cosmo's species are immune to these waves however. Final Mova's second form also has incredible durability; even when hit by Sonic's momentum-fueled Spin Attack, it was completely unfazed. However, foes like Super Sonic and Super Shadow could easily tear it apart.
Final Mova's second form can release dark energies from its shell like water currents to push attackers away and is able to direct these energies at will, allowing it to launch this attack from any angle. It can also manipulate plants to act as its limbs, such as when it used the roots on the Blue Typhoon to attack Cosmo.[3]
Third form
Final Mova's third and most dangerous form is the core of its second form, which was exposed after its shell was torn off. In this form, Final Mova's energy levels increase to even higher levels than before.
Final Mova's third form can generate a gravitational field by compressing its Planet Egg's energy, which is powerful enough to almost immobilize Super Sonic and Super Shadow. This also creates an nearly impenetrable force field around itself. At the same time, Final Mova can use its gravitational field to crush itself. If Final Mova's pressure should reach a certain point, it can create an explosion that could destroy the universe.[3]
- The battle with Final Mova is the longest in Sonic X, lasting a total of three episodes.
- Since the only body part Final Mova had below its throat was its roots, it is possible that it was talking by telepathy, as the vocal chords reach to about the collarbone in a normal animal. This would also explain why its mouth does not move when it speaks and why it talks to Sonic in his dream.
- It appears to have fur while in its first form; however Vector refers to the Pale Bayleaf head as "a slippery one" while he and Espio are climbing on it.
- Final Mova's first form bares a resemblance to the Kaiju, King Ghidorah from Godzilla Vs. King Ghidorah.
- ↑ 1.0 1.1 Miki, Koji (15 April 2003). "Agent of Mischief". Sonic X. Season 3. Episode 75.
- ↑ 2.0 2.1 2.2 Miki, Koji (22 April 2006). "The Light in the Darkness". Sonic X. Season 3. Episode 76.
- ↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 Miki, Koji (29 April 2006). "A Fearless Friend". Sonic X. Season 3. Episode 77.


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It has been a long, sweet ride, this decade-long rant against all things hybrid. The monumental lack of return on complication — my new copyrighted term denoting the futility of automakers adding more gizmos with little effect — of the first generations of gasoline/electric vehicles has allowed me to offend enviroweenies, castigate the media and ridicule Hollywood celebrity shills alike, all to great glee. We journalists — or maybe it's just me — are obvious creatures: Give us windmills to tilt at and our inherent righteous indignation gives our fingers the strength, or at least the stamina, of a thousand hands.
Unfortunately, I may be losing my favourite whipping boy. Oh, don't worry, I am not about to change my opinion on hybrids past. But there's a new electrified vehicle and, alert the media, it lives up to the hype of the last 10 years, providing real-world fuel economy gains at an economical price and in a package that's actually sort of fun to drive. That car is …
… the 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid. OK, so it's no surprise. After all, two-thirds of all hybrids sold in Canada since the introduction of the first Prius in 2001 have been Toyotas. The reason for my change of heart — conversion, if you will, since environmentalism is quickly becoming a religion — is simple. It's the result of just one number: 6.6. As in the number of litres per 100 kilometres I averaged over a 10-day-long, almost-2,000-kilometre test. It's such a phenomenal figure — remember I am a lead-footed gear head — outshining all cars of even remotely equivalent size/performance that I actually reset the darned mileage meter numerous times so skeptical was I that the onboard computer was lying to me. The end result, despite that leaden foot, was always the same, the electrically boosted Camry averaging 6.6 litres per 100 kilometres regardless of the type of driving — urban or rural — or, within reason, the speeds involved. It is the most impressive instance of fuel-sipping stinginess I can recollect.
The biggest surprise of the 2012 Camry's performance is that its highway fuel economy — at, say, 120 kilometres an hour or higher — was excellent if not quite stellar. Hybrids have long eked out some in-town fuel savings, but they have floundered on the open road. Their electric motors have little or no effect at sustained elevated cruising speeds and, since little braking occurs, there's no battery rejuvenation. Despite all the hype surrounding the advantages of electrification, at highway speeds, hybrids are essentially gasoline powered.
And, yet, the new Camry Hybrid regularly posted fuel economy ratings of 6.0 L/100 km at a steady 120 km/h and barely more than seven while cruising at 130. Eagle-eyed readers with long memories will note that those numbers still trail a diesel-powered Passat by a tick, but the diesel's normal long-haul advantage is much reduced, enough that my normal admonition that long-distance commuters should always opt for oil burners is no longer necessarily true.
The Camry Hybrid, for instance, regularly racked up more than 850 km from its 64-litre tank before needing refuelling. Indeed, more intrepidly light-footed testers than I achieved an amazing 5.0-L/100-km average, extending that range even further.
What's perhaps more surprising is that there's been no radical rejigging of the hybrid's inner workings. Most of the tricks improving the highway fuel economy are garden-variety internal-combustion upgrades. The intake and exhaust manifold plumbing has been improved, there's lighter-weight oil in the crankcase (for reduced drag) and the engine is beltless, i.e., the air conditioning system, power steering, et al are powered electrically rather than via a serpentine (and drag-inducing) belt off the motor. And Toyota has also resorted to the oldest trick in the automotive engineering handbook — the 2012 Camry Hybrid is almost 120 kilograms lighter than the old.
There's no magic to the Toyota's dramatically increased parsimony; the Camry's 1.6-kilowatt-hour battery is still old school nickel metal hydride as opposed to the lithium ions that are all the rage in electric cars these days. Indeed, as a dedicated skeptic, it's hard to come to terms with Toyota's ability to claim a whopping 39% increase in fuel economy with such simple evolutionary — not revolutionary — changes.
The other alluring piece of the puzzle is that the new Camry Hybrid is actually enjoyable to drive. Despite that big boost in fuel economy, Toyota actually increased the displacement of the Camry's gasoline engine to 2.5 litres from 2.4, bringing with it an increase to 156 horsepower and 156 pound-feet of torque. Combined with the Hybrid Synergy System's electric motor, Toyota Canada claims a 200- horsepower total output. That means the Camry is now the hot rod of the hybrid set, sprinting — OK, jogging really fast — to 100 km/h in just 8.1 seconds.
Even the Camry's comportment has been improved. Toyota still uses one of those infernal continuously variable transmissions — they are more efficient! — that normally has small engines droning on long with the endless monotony of a funeral dirge. But thanks to the extra torque, which sees the 2.5L engine spinning slower, as well as extra sound deadening, the Camry Hybrid doesn't start sounding busy until the throttle is matted for maximum acceleration.
There's also a surprise in the pricing department. My normal criticism of hybrids, as I have mentioned, is not only their paltry fuel economy gains but the relatively large price hikes all their electronics engender. Well, the new Camry flips that equation on its head as well, offering the fuel economy advantages I've detailed yet costing $26,990, a figure that would have barely bought you a Prius five years ago.
Only one aspect of the new hybrid's performance disappoints. Toyota claims that by flipping an "EV" button one can get up to two kilometres of electric-only propulsion; I never made it past the end of my block, the disappointment enough for me to suggest that Toyota should remove the switch. But the 2012 Camry Hybrid delivers where it counts: superior real- world fuel economy at an affordable price.
Numbers don't lie and, in my estimation, 6.6 is a very powerful number indeed.
Type of vehicle: Front-wheel-drive mid-sized sedan
Engine: 2.5L DOHC four-cylinder with electric motor
Power 156 hp @ 5,700 rpm, 156 lb-ft of torque @ 4,500 rpm (gas engine) plus 105-kw @ 4,500 electric motor; 200 hp combined
Transmission: Continuously variable
Brakes: Four-wheel disc with ABS
Tires: P215/55R17
Price: base/as tested: $28,990/$34,510
Destination charge: $1,565
Transport Canada fuel economy L/100 km: 4.5 city, 4.9 hwy.
Standard features: Power door locks, windows and outside mirrors, air conditioning, AM/FM/CD/MP3/WMA audio system with auxiliary input jack, USB audio input, six speakers, cruise control, information display, tilt and telescoping steering wheel, leather seats, automatic headlights, dual-stage front air bags, front seat-mounted side air bags, driver and front passenger knee air bags, front and rear side curtain air bags, rear side air bags, vehicle stability control, traction control, electronic brake-force distribution and more