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For my dissertation, I'm looking at the recent increase of young Brits using 'can I get' for requests, rather than 'can I have..', which old-school speakers like me use. I'm assuming that the 'can I get..' form is American, but I'm not sure if Americans see the two forms as having any difference in meaning. To me, and older British speakers, 'can I get a glass of water?' means 'do you mind if I help myself to...' if I'm in someone's house. It therefore seems odd to use it in a cafe or a pub, unless you plan to go behind the counter and help yourself.So, please help her by discussing in the comments. Here's my posting on 'Can I get a latte grande?' from some time ago.
A quick look at an American corpus seems to suggest that American usage of 'can I have...' is used more for questioning if you are allowed something. Is this really the case? I'd be really interested to hear what Americans with an interest in linguistics have to say!
Thanks very much.
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'can I get a glass of water?' means 'do you mind if I help myself to...' if I'm in someone's house. It therefore seems odd to use it in a cafe or a pub, unless you plan to go behind the counter and help yourself.ReplyDelete
I'm an American female in my 30s and your explanation of the have/get difference mimics my own.
American, 32 I was taught to always use may I have... instead of can I have... -- as 'can' implies an ability, and 'may' is an actual request.ReplyDelete
When asking someone 'can I have...' -- perhaps they answer, "Well, I don't know? Can you?" It's informal and annoying to me to hear this usage of 'can I have..." You are asking permission, not requesting.
As far as being in someone's home, I use 'May I help myself to...' -- I reserve can/could for actions.
To expand a bit further, the way I was taught to use get\have would also apply to whether or not I was using can\may.ReplyDelete
I (American) tend to use "can I get" when ordering from a restaurant, store, etc. as an expectedness that I am indeed allowed to have said item.
When in someone's house I would say "may I have" as a way to be polite and let the other party know that it is up to them whether or not they will "allow" me to have said item.
In both instances I would assume that the person I was talking to would get me the item, rather than me get it myself, unless the person specifically said, "help yourself".
I wonder how influential the 1998 song "Can I Get A..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can_I_Get_A...) is in this phenomenon? I know when I saw the "can I get a" quote, the song was first thing I thought of.ReplyDelete
I can't really say what my own usage is, though....
Gordon, "can I get" is much older than 1998. For example, there's a Marvin Gaye song from 1963 called "Can I Get a Witness".ReplyDelete
I don't like the phrase "can I get" at all when requesting, because I think it's a bit informal or rude. I prefer to say "I'd like . . ." Maybe that's my French "Je voudrais" coming out. The worst still is what I hear often, which is "Lemme have . . ." I just don't like it.ReplyDelete
I am an American (26), and I don't ever use "Can I get..." in this context. I don't even order something with "Can I have...", but say, "I would like...". I hope that helps.ReplyDelete
Can I just interject to say:ReplyDelete
(a) people are very bad judges of what they themselves say, so that kind of report won't be very useful to the student. (Or, at least, she'd be ill-advised to take your word for it!)
(b) I think her greater concern is what you feel these things mean, rather than whether you say them.
(c) Please don't forget that we can't tell if you're American or British unless you say so!
- Anonymous13 May, 2009 01:15
I am an American in my early 30s. "Can I get" sounds extremely informal to me, and I can't imagine using it in most restaurants. "Could I get", however, sounds fine to my ears.ReplyDelete
I agree with your assessment of "could I have", though. I wouldn't use it unless I had some uncertainty about whether the item was available.Replies
I believe in UK now, almost anyone under 30 uses "can I get". It really grates on me as I always imagine them climbing over the bar or counter to "get" whatever it is.Delete
Discounting the difference in register between the two usages (sthg that has been noted by previous commenters), I (American, late 20s, male) don't perceive a difference in MEANING between the two.ReplyDelete
For the meaning "is it possible for me to physically take hold of x," i would say "can I [just] take X?" Eg, "can I get a Big Mac" vs "Can I take a few sweet-and-sour sauce packets with me"
- mollymooly13 May, 2009 01:34
Irish. "can/could I get/have ..." all sound fine to me; the 'do you mind if I help myself to...' interpretation would never have crossed my mind.ReplyDelete
I never use "may" for permission, and I don't think the MA student cares about that issue. As to politeness, I'm sure I've said "I'll have ..." when I'm in a restaurant and not the first in the group to order. Brisk is not rude.
American: I think there is a difference between being in someone's home and being at Starbucks. Personally, if someone was in my home and said, "Can I get a glass of water?" I would nod toward the cupboard and say, "Of course," assuming that they would get it themselves. "Can I have a glass of water?" could go either way--it would depend on other variables: how familiar the person was with the space, who was closer, etc.--open to interpretation.ReplyDelete
However, in a restaurant ordering situation, "Can I get" and "can I have" are completely interchangeable. Maybe because (as someone else said), there is clearly no way you are getting it yourself.
I can't really give a good idea of the pervasiveness where I live, although I wouldn't be surprised at all if it varied by region.
- kiwianna13 May, 2009 02:14
As an american in her 30s, I don't see a difference in meaning between can I get and can I have.ReplyDelete
As the previous comments here reflect, americans tend to get hung up on "can I ..." vs "may I ..." with little attention paid to the verb that follows.
The one exception is the phrase "can I get you ... [while I'm up]?" - which is an explict offer to go and retrieve an item (e.g water, ketchup or napkins) for your dining companions. The respondents could use any of the forms mentioned thus far in their reply.Replies
"Get" insinuates that you will 'seek out and obtain'. Used correctly, a conversation would go as follows:Delete
Customer: "Can I get a glass of water?"
Waiter: "No please don't trouble yourself. Allow me to get it for you"
Customer: "can i get a glass of water?"
Waiter: "yes, by all means. There is a tap in the kitchen."
- robert6113 May, 2009 03:24
In my middle-class 60s/70s childhood in the US, I learned that "Can I get..." as a request for something is a vulgarism and "May I have..." the preferred form. Leaving aside the can/may issue, "have" still seems more right. However, "Can I get..." feels quite natural in an informal setting, and even though it grates on me a little, I know I say it.ReplyDelete
I have lived in Sweden for the past 20 years, so my take is an ossified remnant of the 80s.
- Rick S13 May, 2009 03:37
American, 55, from the Northeast (youth) and Mid-Atlantic regions (adulthood). My impressions:ReplyDelete
"May" is more formal, "can" more familiar. Other than that, whether the request is to have something given to you or for permission to help yourself depends on the social context more than the words.
In general, "may/can I have/get" means the same thing, but there are a few exceptions:
1. "May I get" is formal, but requests permission to help oneself in spite of formal conventions of hospitality. In very formal settings, it risks being rudely presumptuous, but in less formal ones it can be a token of humility or considerateness for a preoccupied host.
2. "Can I get" means "can you get me" in a restaurant, shop, etc., where the customer doesn't have access to the item. It may also express uncertainty about the availability of the item.
3. "Can I get" is sometimes used in a humorous, mildly chiding way to point out a friend's failure of hospitality (as in "Hey, can I get a beer, or what?"). It might be a shortening of something like "What do I have to do to get an X around here?"
"Have" leans a little toward being given something, while "get" leans toward helping yourself. Still, either can go either way. "Can I get (be given) your phone number?" vs. "May I have (help myself to) this apple?".
AmE Western US: I have "can I get" implying expectation and "can I have" as expressing slightly more uncertainty about permission or availability (at least in some cases). The difference is pretty minor and not always observed, though; I wouldn't be surprised by either "Can I have a Big Mac Meal" or "Can I get a Big Mac Meal".ReplyDelete
Upon reflection, I might be more likely to use "Can I get ..." when I have more things to order (unreliable intuition only); I have no idea why that would be.
- Anonymous13 May, 2009 04:06
AmE Upper Midwest, female, late 20s- like others I'm sure I use the two more or less interchangeably. In my mind there is no difference in meaning, except perhaps as a guest- get might be used more frequently to ask permission to help myself to something. But in a restaurant etc. neither would stick out to me as unusual.ReplyDelete
American mid 20s:ReplyDelete
I think "Can I have?" has a little more flavor of uncertainty than "Can I get?", but they're pretty nearly interchangeable. I think I'd be more inclined to say "Can I have?" when requesting something in someone's house or if it's some kind of big favor (you know "Can I have the last cookie?"). "Can I get?" doesn't work for me there. But in an ordering food situation they're perfectly interchangeable to me.
I'm English, so probably not terribly helpful, but a fellow student mentioned this to me a couple of years ago and I started paying attention to what I myself say.ReplyDelete
At the time I immediately insisted I'd never use such a coarse Americanism, but since then I've noticed I use it a lot especially, like Doug, when I'm going to make a complicated order.
It seems like the term has gained false press as an American import, seeing as we seem to do it more than you. It's almost always young women who use it in BrE from what I can tell, so I assumed it was actually a hedging device as 'Can I have' (as opposed to 'May I have') seems more forceful to me. When I say 'Can I get' it feels more hesitant.
Beyond that, I agree with Rick and Wingnut- in public it's a request to be served and in someone's house it's asking permission to serve yourself.
- Anonymous13 May, 2009 06:03
English, late 40s: I agree with other comments about the difference between a domestic and public setting. If ordering food from a list in a pub, I think "have" is more likely than "get" but the difference is probably marginal, particularly among younger people.ReplyDelete
Personally, I would say "could I have/get.." rather than "can I have/get...", but that may be similar to the previous comment about Je voudrais...
- Cameron13 May, 2009 06:55
I think (ScE) I am much more likely to use "I would like" or "could I have" than any of the other variations in a public setting, in private i would most likely be something more informal and light like "is it okay if I grab/pinch..." I think it's really a personal thing and I don't really see much significant difference in meaning, except that "can I get" feels a bit more grasping to me, a bit less polite. But none of the variations would really throw me at all, I think.ReplyDelete
American, 31, and midwestern, which although a bit late, I suspect might have some bearing.ReplyDelete
I have same reaction as a few others that it depends if I am in a public place or a private home. Can I have/Can I get are basically the same to me in a restaurant-type situation.
In a house, I think "Can I get x" sounds really presumptuous, like I've been waiting for them to serve me, whereas "Can I have x" is much less so. "Can I get myself x" or "Do you mind if I get myself x" seems like a much likelier (and not rude) possibility.
American, 23, from Texas (but living in Scotland) -- I use the two interchangeably.ReplyDelete
Welshman, late 30s. If a friend asked me "Can I get...", my reaction would be either, "It's okay, I'll get it for you", or just as likely, "Sure"... while staying firmly seated on the settee!ReplyDelete
- Picky13 May, 2009 11:30
British, 60s, and I agree with Shannon - can I get, even in a house, sounds presumptuous, unless, perhaps, in the house of a family member. Otherwise, polite would be "Would you mind if I got".ReplyDelete
In cafe/pub my understanding is a range from the politest "might I have" through "could I have" to "may I have" to "can I have" to "I'll have the ... please" at the least polite. "Can I get" does not seem possible to me.
- Anonymous13 May, 2009 11:42
Scottish, 42, living in Wales for 13 years, spent 8 years in England, married to an Englishwoman. "Can I get" is something I definitely would associate with American influence on UK English, particularly in the context of fast food outlets ("restaurants") and Starbucks-type coffee shops. I have heard a few people (with English or Welsh or Scottish accents) use it in those contexts in the UK. Pretty much all of those people were under about 25. Strangely, this use of "can I get" grated much more on me than the "skinny venti mocha" or whatever mangled coffee-shop phrase followed it!ReplyDelete
I'm pretty sure I have never heard "can I get" from anyone over 30 in the UK (I assume the original enquirer is less interested in the usage in domestic settings where the speaker genuinely does mean 'can I get myself a...' and in the may/can distinction).
I'd always assumed it had filtered through from the 'cool' world of American TV and culture in the same way that supermarkets now have aisles of "canned" tomatoes, shopping centres are "malls" and school pupils are "students". (Our local bus company has recently repainted its school buses a garish yellow...)
These changes in UK English are particularly noticeable in public signage in Wales, which is almost always bilingual and where the Welsh version often reflects the older, more traditional phrasing - e.g. "canned fish" = "pysgod tun" (tinned fish), "fitting rooms" = "ystafelloedd newid" (changing rooms), "students (pre-university)" = "disgyblion" (pupils). If you speak (or at least read) Welsh, this often brings the American-influenced English version into sharp highlight.
Of course, there is the problem that it's easy to assume any neologism or change in phrasing in English is a result of American influence, when the cause may simply be amelioration, the older term sounding 'dull' or 'fuddy-duddy' or 'uncool'.
English, mid-50s. I was in a restaurant with my daughter (English/Irish, late 20s) and I noticed that she said, "Can I get the...." and I said, "I'll have the...."ReplyDelete
For me, the oddity wasn't the turn of phrase she used, but the fact that she phrased it as a question at all. I would expect to tell the waiter my choice, not ask if I could have it!
I wouldn't expect to hear "Can I get..." at home, unless it was in the context of "Can (or "May") I get myself some water?"
American, NYC (though not native), 50.ReplyDelete
On the reception side, I don't feel much difference between "Can I get?" and "Can I have?"
On the production side, I wouldn't use either unless I needed emphasis. If my water glass is empty, I'd ask "Would you get me some water, please?" On the second try, I'd escalate to "Can I get some water, please?" On the third try, I'd leave off the "please", and maybe the tip, too.
I'd never use this phrase when ordering, though; that would be "I'll take the ..." I would say "Can I get?" only for a genuine question, like "Can I get that without the mustard sauce, or is it already mixed in?"
FWIW, I eat in restaurants about once a week, and get food delivered (either prepared or not) several times a week, so I'm quite conscious of what I say.
I am American (Indiana), have lived in the UK for the past 10 years (and heard a lot of griping from older Brits about the adoption of "can I get..." by the younger generation).ReplyDelete
I also use "Can I get..." (and "Could I get...") often enough it's been mentioned by others. for example a London barman who replied something like "No, I'm afraid you can't; you can't come behind the bar."
Since I first noticed this I've paid a lot of attention to these expressions by myself and others.
I would agree that the american usage of "Can I have..." does have a tendency to be more about asking permission than "Can I get...". It's somewhat complicated by the fact that many of the Americans in my family and social circle see "can I get..." as unacceptably informal (many preferring "May I have..." as a previous commenter already mentioned), and in many cases they seem to be used interchangeably.
One occasion that I have noticed "Can I have..." is in a restaurant or other service environment when a person is ordering something that doesn't appear on the menu, or some kind of alteration of the listed item, e.g. "Can I get the salmon, but can I have it with the sauce on the side?". This is not quite asking permission, but at least it expresses some degree of uncertainty compared to "get".
It also seems to me that this particular sense of "get" is restricted to service environments, although my introspection might fail me here.
- dunce13 May, 2009 16:01
oops - in the above comment, I should have noted that the examples i give are from US speakers.ReplyDelete
Welsh, 25.ReplyDelete
@ Neij: Welsh isn't like conservative English on this one. It's perfectly normal to order food or drink in Welsh "Ga' i ... ?" (more formally written "A gaf i ... ?). "Caf" is the first person singular of the future/present tense of "cael", which is much closer in meaning to the English "to get" than the English "to have" -- for instance, you would absolutely not use "cael" to say "I have a dog" unless you meant that you had just come into its ownership.
So, as you can imagine, I'm with mollymooly on this one -- neither sounds wrong (in fact, I hadn't thought of one or the other as American). Perhaps the student could find some way of blaming Celtic immigrants to the Americas for this wonderful Americanism!
- Anonymous13 May, 2009 21:13
AmE (Virginia, California, Washington), now living in England, aged 38 years.ReplyDelete
This thread is fascinating! (Or I'm easily amused. Perhaps both.)
I had never noticed a person request an item using the phrase, "Can I get," until moving to England, and so I thought it was an "Englishism."
What do I think the phrase, "Can I get," means? Well, before moving to England, upon hearing the phrase I would have thought the "requestor" wished to help him/herself to something. Now? I take it in context.
I, like many others who've commented, prefer to use the phrase, "May I have..." when requesting any item, be it food, a glass of water, an opinion.
To my ears, using the phrase, "Can I get," as a request to be given/served an item is both overly-familiar and incorrect.
- James14 May, 2009 08:58
American, 37, living in Australia. I've noticed "Can I get" in the contexts others have -- uni students ordering in cafes etc. Before this post, my feeling had been that it's more common in Australia than in the US, but I haven't paid close enough attention to be confident in that.ReplyDelete
To me, the meaning is completely clear in all contexts. I would never think someone is actually asking to go behind the counter and get something themselves.
I think the correct British usage is 'may I have a....?', though 'can I have' is alright.ReplyDelete
'Can I get a....?' sounds like a North American usage to me.
- Anonymous14 May, 2009 12:31
American (Midwest but with substantial East Coast experience--this is beginning to sound like a personals ad), late 50s. I agree with John Cowan and dunce--I eat lunch about once a week with colleagues, and the standard request is "I'd like [the]" or "I'll have [the]," except for one person who frequently makes exchanges and says, for example, "I'd like a Caesar salad, but can I get vinegar and oil dressing instead of Caesar?" (She likes romaine lettuce, and finds that an easier way than asking for a house salad with romaine.)ReplyDelete
For comparison's sake, the standard request in German would be "Ich möchte" or "Ich hätt[e] gern." But I've often heard people--especially in shops, not restaurants--use "Ich bekomme" or "Ich kriege" or "I kriag'" (the last in the South). It's always struck me as slightly more imperious than the subjunctives (though not impolite), but perhaps a native speaker has a different sense.
"Can I have the chicken with salad. And can I get that without onions?" (In restaurant)ReplyDelete
"Can I get you a beer?" (At home)
"Can I have another slice of cake?" (Someone else's home)
I was taught to use May I, but since I don't play "Mother May I?" anymore, I don't use it unless I'm being stiffly polite.
AM/E, Canadian family, Detroit, and various points west.
I'm with Pixie, in that as far as I'm aware, "may I have" is the correct British usage as well. If I said to somebody "can I get a glass of water", that would suggest not "may I have...", but "may I go into your kitchen and help myself to...".ReplyDelete
if i am ordering something i just say, "i'll have..."ReplyDelete
Thanks for all your comments. Your feedback is really interesting, and has brought up lots more issues for me to research. I will be sure to credit you with any of ideas and judgements which I use!ReplyDelete
Thanks again for your help; only 20,000 words to go...
- Anonymous15 May, 2009 17:49
American, New York, 44 -ReplyDelete
"Can I get" sounds correct in two situations - asking for permission when in an informal setting (can I get a beer = may I help myself to a beer) or when asking for access to something you feel you already own somehow (can I get some love, here? Can I get gravy with the chicken?).
"May I have?" seems to me to be far too formal, as if the speaker was trying too hard to pass.
23, American, ColoradoReplyDelete
I've thought about this before and made an effort to observe what I say and what people around me say. If I am ordering in a public place, saying "Can I get..." sounds normal to me. In fact, I would go so far as to say "Can I have..." sounds almost strange in that setting, perhaps too formal. I can't think of what I say in a private setting, like someone's home. In that setting, most often someone asks what I'd like from a list of things and I would answer with something like "just water" and not counter their question with "Can I get/have..." Having said that, when I imagine saying "Can I get..." in a person's home, it does sound as if I am ordering it.
In a more formal setting, I would likely say "May I have...?" Also, I've noticed where I live is more relaxed in our ways, so it could be different in, say, the eastern part of the U.S.
I'm British and 35 and I agree with her thesis about the difference in meaning. If I 'get' something, that implies an action on my part, whereas to 'have' something implies that someone is going to give it to me.ReplyDelete
Anecdotally, I'd also agree that I heard the 'Can I get' formulation much more frequently in the US.
- Anonymous19 May, 2009 20:51
"Can I get" strikes this American female over 50 as informal, if not sloppy, language. It also has overtones of euphemism, as though the speaker were embarrassed to say "Can I have," which perhaps sounds too demanding. Another thought that occurs with "get" vs. "have" is that get is associated with the act of paying: I get coffee for $2.50. Nobody gives us coffee in a restaurant, they expect us to pay for it, so "May I have..." may sound to some speakers like a request for something given, not paid for.ReplyDelete
- Andrew20 May, 2009 14:44
I think the immediately preceding post from an anonymous American contributor has it right - "Can I get" is a weak attempt at a euphemism.ReplyDelete
I'm Australian. "Can I get" is spreading like Paterson's Curse (look it up!). Seems to be an under-30 thing. I find it (imagine crusty old voice here) very annoying.
(sorry if this repeats something already said; I'm too tired to read all the comments). I've been speaking American English for oh, 63 years, and "Can I get a X?" seems also interpretable as a reasonably polite way of asking, at a shop, "Do you have X?" FWIW, I would never ask (beg?), "Can I have a X"--I gave that up years ago in favor of "I'd like a X" if it's something on the menu.ReplyDelete
Can I get a word in here?ReplyDelete
Well, may I comment?
Thank you.
'Nuff said.
- James24 May, 2009 03:18
Weighing in again...ReplyDelete
I've watched myself since this came up, and to my surprise, I say "Can I get" a *lot* when ordering in cafes at the counter.
I'm pretty convinced that it's all about context. I don't think I would use it when ordering at the table. It also might depend on whether the person taking the order is older, the same age, or younger. Perhaps "I'll have" has a air of entitlement, and so is OK at the table but a bit presumptuous at other times, whereas "can I get" is more familiar and egalitarian. This would at least explain why "can I get" is more common among the young and why it seems fake to the old.
(American, 37, living in Australia)
American, 54, living in the US South. My impression is that the two phrases ARE USED interchangeably. The subtle differences in meaning seem to vary by user, but the person hearing the comment would understand, usually based on context.ReplyDelete
It grates me more that the word "can" is in either phrase. I think this goes back to elementary school where one particularly tough teacher would always reply ... "I don't know if you can, but you may ...". She noted that "can" refers to ability while "may" refers to permission.
From the grammatical side I would say that "have" is passive while "get" is active, but, again, the meaning is contextual and we all know the same thing, that someone wants something.
Just to put a bullet through the head of the ability/permission thing: in a restaurant, it's ability that's at issue. You have blanket permission to order anything the restaurant is able to serve you (provided you can pay, etc.)ReplyDelete
It is, therefore, prescriptively appropriate to use can in such requests rather than may, which does fit the classroom situation where permission is needed.
Of course, this has nothing to do with which forms are actually used when; it's just a way of confounding prescriptivists.
Aah yes, Anonymous and Andrew, I think that's what I was trying to say- it's a politeness euphemism. I don't like to sound imperious when I'm standing up and ordering something over a counter so I want to hedge my request a little. In a restaurant or in the house of someone I don't know that well, it's a more formal situation. (Plus in a restaurant I'm going to leave a tip, certainly a much bigger one than I'd leave in a coffee shop etc, so they're being renumerated for complying with my outrageous demands for clean cutlery and glasses of water.)ReplyDelete
- Anonymous10 June, 2009 14:38
Hi, I'm 24 from New York and I've thought about this usage before:ReplyDelete
I use "can I get" in Starbucks or when ordering something at a counter. It works anywhere that I'm paying for something but I can be informal. At a fancy restaurant, I would say "I'll have" or something even more polite (may I please have)
I use "Can I have" more when the other person will have to give that thing up. For example, if my friend is eating a bag of candies I will ask "can I have one?" However, for a good friend who has plenty of candies to spare, I might say something as insistent and informal as "lemme get one."
56-year-old Londoner/Englishman - "can I get" sounds utterly alien to me if ordering anything in a restaurant or asking for something in someone's home. I'd only say: "Can I get YOU a ...(whatever)" to someone else. "Could I have ..." is what I'd say if odering something, or "I'll have (the lasagne/a pint, whatever)"ReplyDelete
I heard myself today saying to a workman who was waiting on someone else, "Can I get you a coffee?" and thinking, at the time, that this was probably the only way I'd use that expression in that context.ReplyDelete
If I were in a restaurant and wanted to adjust the order slightly, I'd probably say, "I'll have the [whatever] and may I have it without prawns, please?", or even "But without the prawns, please."
This is an interesting discussion. I think "can I get" when used in a restaurant or cafe still sounds odd to most British people of all ages. Some young British people use it in an attempt to sound fashionably American. "Can I have" is the most normal sounding way of saying it, followed by "May I have" but that sounds a bit old-fashioned in my opinion. I'm interested that many Americans find "Can I have" an odd way of saying it, as if to say "is it possible", but the strange thing is that "is it possible to have a glass of water" is actually used by some British people to order a glass of water, so maybe that explains why "can I have" is used.ReplyDelete
In a strange way "can I get" sounds a bit dishonest to me as a British person, in the sense that it sounds as if one is trying to imply that it is "I" who will be getting the drink, not the waiter or waitress. If "get" is going to be used, it should be "can you get" but that obviously sounds a bit rude. Therefore using "can I get" is an attempt to say "can you get" without being rude, but it does sound a bit dishonest from a British perspective.
I'm 52 and English and this usage drives me nuts, or at least it did two years ago when I wrote this: http://strawberryyog.blogspot.com/2007/06/can-i-get.html - I'm trying to be more tolerant now but I still find it grates, painfully, when used by English people.ReplyDelete
German, lived in Vancouver, now in London, I stumbled upon this small difference as well i.e. when ordering food. Thanks for clarifying that there actually is a difference and English always has a nice surprise waiting. :-)ReplyDelete
What a great discussion. I'm British (English), 37 years old and male. I work in a city and often hear people younger than me in sandwich shops ask "can I get..." a variety of items which sounds odd to me in the same way as stated above. I use "I'll have..." if I can see the item I want or I am certain that it is available and out of sight. I use "can I have...?" if I am unsure of an unseen item's availability. I was teaching english in South India earlier this year and a lot of younger people there use the phrase "I didn't get you" if they didn't understand something that you said to them during a conversational exchange. I tried to discuss this a couple of times with my fellow conversators but it went nowhere...ReplyDelete
Hi I'm a Londoner and notice that no one seems to say can I have any more.ReplyDelete
It might be me being paranoid but I seem to trace the rise in the phrase back to the tv show Friends. Late 90's and since then it has taken over.
Whether it is "can I have" or "may I have" is dependent on the customs of the restaurant. However, in a house (or if in doubt) it is always "may I have" because in a house the primary concern is may one have the freedom to either request or move about the house to help oneself to what one wants.ReplyDelete
In a restaurant where menus are readily available and customarily used it is appropriate to say "may I have" assuming one is ordering from the menu and therefore the selection is available and thus one "can (is able [to])... have" it. In this case one is merely making a courteous request to the server, waiter, or host to bring said selection to him/her.
If in a restaurant where menus are not readily available and are not customarily used, it is acceptable to say "can I have…" since there may be no way of knowing if the item desired is available. In such a case the question truly is "am I able to have…".
- azzieb05 October, 2010 14:35
I'm female, British, late 30s. In 1994 I had an American boyfriend and spent a few weeks visiting him in California, where everyone said 'can I get...?', all the time. After that visit I noticed it creeping into my vocabulary (naively, I was quite wowed by the West Coast lifestyle and its associated habits, which probably had something to do with it). Being also a bit of a language geek, I was very attuned to it, and listened out for it when back in the UK. For quite a while, the only people I heard using it here were Americans. It wasn't until the late 90s that I noticed it becoming common usage among Brits. Perhaps there's something in the notion of a Friends influence as mentioned in a previous comment.ReplyDelete
I'm a British male in my early 40s, I really hate the expression "Can I get a....", I hear it all the time nowadays, in shops, cafes etc. Only the other day I was in a sandwich shop and a young guy said to the shopkeeper "Erm, ya, erm, hi, can I get a ham and cheese bun" Arrrrrggghhhh! I wanted to throttle him and say "No! YOU CAN'T! You can ask for a ham and cheese bun, and the shop keeper will get it for you!"ReplyDeleteReplies
- Anonymous09 September, 2012 17:39
I'm a british male (33) and I have to agree with you on this one. I work in a bar which serves food and today a lady of about the same age approached me and asked if she could "get" some butter [for her bread], to which I replied "yeah sure, do you know where it is?". Needless to say she looked completely godsmacked but she didn't think about what she'd said, she waited until I told her i'd get it for her. It's a silly expression and needs to stop!Delete
In my house growing up (in the 80's and 90's) if I asked "Can I Have a soda?" my mom would say yes. But she would not "get it for me" She would "get if for me" if I asked her "Can I get a soda?"ReplyDelete
- Anonymous23 March, 2013 10:02
My goodness, this is AMAZING!ReplyDelete
I am writing this having found your article whilst searching on google for "can I get - Americanism" whilst travelling on a train in Yorkshire. What has prompted me is that of the 25 or so people on my carriage (or car for those of you in other parts of the world), when asked by the lady with the trolley what they would like, the VAST MAJORITY started their reply with "Can I get"....a coffee, a tea etc. I am noticing it more and more here, and with older people too as they hear it said more and more when ordering in our god-forsaken proliferation of extortionate flavoured-hot-water providing emporia.
Look, two points:
Firstly, "can" is from the verb which means to be (physically) able to. Can pigs fly? Answer - no. Can humans speak? Answer - yes, unless they are unfortunately mute or have some other disability. So when you request "Can I have" something, in British English, you are technically asking someone their opinion as to whether you it is physically possible to do / obtain something. So if it's "can I have a coffee?" And you're in a place where you could purchase one, the answer would technically be yes but with no action from the respondent. If you use MAY when requesting, the respondent knows you are asking them to consider obtaining / providing something for you.
Secondly, "get" as used in "can (or indeed "may") I get " implies that the person saying it will obtain it themselves, which is clearly NOT what the person means when ordering at Starbucks counter. So, if you stand there and say "Can I get a Latte?" In British English the respondent should correctly consider whether you can (are you physically capable of doing / getting (for yourself)) a drink of latte and reply with a simple yes or no based on that assessment, and take no action. If you said "May I get a Latte?" this would correctly be taken by the respondent to mean you we're asking permission to come behind the counter and "get" (for yourself) a Latte. The respondent would respond on that basis (with likely a "no" in a Starbucks, and if I was serving you, I'd say "no, but I'm happy to make you one".
"Can I get" is wrong on all levels, and grossly impolite / dismissive too. I found some of the points above very revealing...people would use "May I have" in someone's house but "can I get" to a waiter because they "expect" on demand "because we're paying". What about a bit of common courtesy to the waitress too? Why treat them like second class citizens? This is actually true Americanism.....money being king of everything.
British, 40s, about to be criticised for views above, but actually spot on with technical explanations of these words.
You're welcome to your own tastes about words, but not to your own facts--at least not if you're trying to explain English as it's spoken by anyone but you.ReplyDelete
The modal verb 'can' is the most multi-meaninged of the modal verbs. Whole PhD theses/dissertations have been written about it (I supervised one of them!). Similarly, 'get' has many meanings--the Collins English Dictionary entry has 27. If we want to get 'technical' about language, there is no single way of interpreting anything with these words in them.
As a Barman for 12 years in the north east of England I've noticed a dramatic increase in customers requesting with "can I get a...". It's used to be just the younger people of about 20ish but now it's spread up to 50 year olds. I can still rely on the pensioners though as they generally say "may I have a..." which is nice. "Can I get a..." is something that grates on my nervous but I'm slowly accepting it as the norm. I would prefer it if people said "can you get me a..." it makes more sense. I would like to say, if you can't beat them join them but on this particular anomaly I'm quite happy being ignorant.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous17 September, 2013 16:09
I don't like "Can I get...? - it just doesn't sound right to my (Welsh) ears. Much like the nonsense now involved in buying a very mediocre cup of coffee in any of the chains, or describing a minced meat pattie in a bun as a "sandwich".ReplyDelete
- Anonymous21 September, 2014 16:27
British, 56.ReplyDelete
To my ears, 'get' is active, 'have' passive; a request has the corresponding sense.
I hear 'Can I get' increasingly these days, predominantly amongst younger people. Although, of course, I understand the intention, it still sounds to me like an enquiry as to one's ability to fetch (an item).
- Robert Taylor29 September, 2014 13:43
In Britain 'get' is synonymous with 'fetch' so if someone asks "can I get..." at a shop counter they are implying that they want to go behind the counter and fetch it themselves.ReplyDelete
- Robert Taylor29 September, 2014 13:44
In Britain 'get' is synonymous with 'fetch' so if someone asks "can I get..." at a shop counter they are implying that they want to go behind the counter and fetch it themselves.ReplyDelete
The most frequent substantive nouns following 'get' in the British National Corpus (searching for 'get a NOUN' include: job, chance, copy, drink, bus. (These data are about 25 years old.) (A lot of the nouns are things like 'lot' and 'couple', which are not what's being got(ten).)ReplyDelete
Some of those could involve fetching, but most don't. For instance, looking at the 'copy' examples, I don't see any that involve anyone going and making a copy themselves--it's things like 'can I get a copy of that' or 'do they get a copy of that'. The recency of this use in UK is much exagerrated. Certainly, when you get a letter, it's not by fetching it, but by it being delivered to you.
Get is a word with many, many meanings in every English. 'Fetch' is but one of them. The issue here is not the meaning of the word, but the change in norms for requesting things. People aren't complaining about 'I got a letter/coffee/notion from her' but just the 'can I get' formulation.
For me, I think the problem is with the interpersonality.ReplyDelete
In the contexts of things coming into my possession, the basic meaning (for me) of get is 'obtain'. If the context clearly excludes the possibility of obtaining it on the spot, then the meaning 'fetch' seems natural.
A constraint on my speech (and probably that of many British speakers) is that I don't use get to mean 'obtain from the person I'm speaking to'.
[Well, I can say What will I get from you? but to me that feels quasi-impersonal]
Normally, I interpret it to mean one of the following:
• obtain from someone and somewhere unspecified
• obtain from someone unspecified at a specific place
• obtain from a third party, not the person I'm speaking to
• obtain by my own efforts — hence the equation with fetch
I would say that
† get a job and get a chance usually mean 'obtain from someone somewhere'
† get a copy and get a drink usually mean 'obtain from the usual provider', but can also mean 'obtain by own efforts' — either 'take right here' or 'fetch'
I would't include get a bus here because get means something other than 'obtain'.
- Anonymous04 October, 2014 09:14
I have just moved back to London after 15 years away and the two things that have struck me are the huge increase in the numbers of bikes on the roads, and the almost total prevalence of 'can I get' in restaurants and sandwich bars, which just sounds alien to me.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous04 January, 2015 20:08
Having lived half my life in Spain, this has rung a few bells for me. A big difference between English and Spanish "ordering etiquette" is the Spanish preference for phrases such as "Will you give me a...?" The frequent lack of Anglo-Saxon "please" is compensated for by a subtle conversion of the request into a question, which implies that the person serving retains control by deciding whether to serve, once availability of the said object is confirmed.ReplyDelete
- Anonymous06 June, 2015 14:59
For me, born in the UK, 'can I get..?' grates so much. I would be tempted to reply 'yes, you can get it, it is over there'.ReplyDelete
I use 'can I have...?' or even more polite, 'May I have...?'. Always followed by 'please'.
By the way, my wife hates the word 'fetch'. I use it to mean 'go to another place and bring back'. She thinks it sounds more like what you would say to a dog when throwing a stick.
BrE (Scot, 60+) Whatever combination of can/may I have/get is used, what grates with me is the lack of. "please", but that isn't the exam question here. I have been corrected for saying "can l" instead of "may I" maybe twice in my life. I understand that can refers to ability, and may refers to being allowed, but really, people this pedantic ususually seem to view the may form as more POLITE rather than more CORRECT.ReplyDelete
In terms of meaning, I no longer perceive a difference between "can I have" and " can I get". However, I have been surprised by American commenters who interpret "can I have" as somehow imperious. For me it's the other way round. "Can I get" generally sounds abrupt and demanding, to the point of rudeness. I'm very sure it's more a tone of voice thing that what the words mean. I'm also fairly sure that what sounds rude and abrupt to me isn't usually intended by the speaker,


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In his own words: living with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma
John G. is a successful 54-year-old economist in California who keeps busy with full-time work, his wife of 31 years, and their three grown children. After a three-year battle with the indolent type of non-Hodgkin's lymphoma (NHL), for which there is no known cure, he's living without symptoms, happy in a new job. He enjoys playing golf as well as his guitar.
What was your first sign that something was wrong? What symptoms did you experience?
It was detected asymptomatically. When I was 51, I took a routine set of tests to change life insurance policies and they detected excess protein in my urine. The protein ultimately turned out to be a kind of protein that signals cancer.
I was having other minor symptoms that I didn't necessarily connect to NHL. I was more tired than usual. Most significantly I had some numbness in my hands and fingers that had been diagnosed as carpal tunnel syndrome, but nothing that any doctor would have said was a marker for NHL. Later on, I did have some gastrointestinal symptoms, but they didn't amount to more than vague discomfort.
What was the diagnosis experience like?
I went to my primary care doctor and got a number of possible diagnoses, many of which were quite frightening. From the first sign of protein in my urine, it took four or five months to get a really firm diagnosis. That was a really long period of anxiety and emotional turbulence for my family and me. But that is not uncommon in NHL and other lymphomas because some of the symptoms you have can seem like other diseases. After I was diagnosed, I got a second opinion from an oncologist who specializes in lymphoma.
What was your initial and then longer-term reaction to the diagnosis?
Any diagnosis of cancer is like a blow to the stomach. It's very hard to take. With NHL, there are two main types—indolent and acute. Indolent is the smoldering kind. On the plus side, it doesn't create a lot of immediate problems. But you can't cure it, generally, though you can live for 10 to 15 years and not need any therapy at all.
At times it feels devastating. For me, determining whom I wanted to tell and how much I wanted to tell were part of the difficulties of adjusting to having cancer.
How is non-Hodgkin's lymphoma treated?
In the spring of 2000, when my blood tests showed an increase in protein levels and I had more stiffness and pain in my hands, I had a round of chemotherapy. I had treatments one week a month for three months. I felt really great after that.
I haven't had any other treatments since then, although last winter some of my blood tests were coming in high—but it got better on its own.
Did you have to make any lifestyle or dietary changes in response to non-Hodgkin's lymphoma?
I've been pretty lucky in a lot of ways. After chemotherapy, I wound up taking a new job. I had worried that I would never be able to change jobs, but once I felt better, I could do that. It was difficult to manage what information I wanted to give at my new job, to my boss, and others. Some people know I have cancer and others don't. I didn't want it to have an impact on what I was able to do.
I found that I developed some food allergies, one is to fish, but it's not clear if that's because of the lymphoma.
Did you seek any type of emotional support?
I've been seeing a therapist for about a year and a half. That has helped me. Dealing with death and some of the issues NHL creates can be difficult.
Does non-Hodgkin's lymphoma have an impact on your family?
I know emotionally it affects my children and my wife. Sometimes I think it's more emotionally difficult for them than for me. We've talked about things we haven't talked about before, which can be positive in the long run even if it feels painful in the short run.
What advice would you give to anyone living with non-Hodgkin's lymphoma?
Be kind to yourself. It's a hard thing and not something you expected to have happen. You really need to rely on your family and friends. Be honest with them about how you're feeling—they need to be honest, too.
It's also very important to seek out a lymphoma specialist and get a second opinion. There are a lot of new drugs coming along that hold a lot of promise. That's a very hopeful thing. Cancer used to be a death sentence; it really isn't anymore.


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Military families have unique needs and concerns, but they're worried about the fiscal cliff just like everybody else. The First Command Financial Behaviors Index found two-thirds of middle class military families are worried the automatic tax increases and spending cuts scheduled for Jan. 1, will not be stopped, the company announced Dec. 12. Another two-thirds of military families are afraid the country will return to recession if the fiscal cliff is not averted.
Military families are especially concerned about sequestration, which divides spending cuts evenly between defense and nondefense programs. Half of respondents said they expected their retirement benefits to fall as a result, or that they will have to take on more of their health care expenses. Forty percent were worried about cuts to personal expense benefits like those for housing, clothing and food. Almost a third said they were worried about cuts to educational benefits, and 31% were afraid their discretionary income would suffer.
"If you make a cut to the military budget, it has a corresponding effect on the lives of our men and women in uniform and their families," Scott Spiker, CEO of First Command Financial Services, told AdvisorOne Wednesday in an email. "Sequestration is much bigger than the automatic year-end cuts in federal spending that have been the focus of lawmakers and the news media."
Indeed, respondents indicated serious long-term concerns that may arise as a result of sequestration. Over a quarter of respondents said they were worried about the effects on their career, thinking they may be less likely to be promoted and more likely to leave the service early. Nearly 90% said they were hoping to serve for at least 20 years in order to qualify for traditional military retirement.
"Military families think of sequestration as the significant spending reductions that are already well under way," Spiker (left) continued. "They recognize that the coming reduction in force will be huge, affecting one-sixth of the military and impacting retirement pay. They see the base realignments and closures that are already in play. They know that promotion rates are being reduced, meaning that fewer by far will be promoted to the next level. They understand that many servicemembers will be facing an up-or-out situation. And of course they see the changes being made to military retirement benefits, such as TRICARE. The result is a diminished confidence within the career military."
With that diminished confidence, military members are preparing for cuts. Almost half of respondents are responding by cutting back on everyday spending, but their belt-tightening could affect their long-term security as well. Twenty-eight percent are saving less, and 20% are moving to more conservative investments. Just 9% are becoming so conservative that they're moving their investments to cash.
There is an opportunity for advisors to help military members who are concerned about the effects of sequestration on their financial security. Just 5% have started working with a financial planner as a result of their concerns.
"At all times, advisors must remember that sequestration is a uniquely personal issue for career servicemembers and their families," Spiker said. "Two thirds of survey respondents have expressed concern about the possibility of involuntary separation from the military. […] They are looking at a loss of career in the short term and a change in retirement benefits for the long term. Both issues must be addressed in the financial advisory process. If advisors want to bring real value to the lives of members of the military, then they should focus less on wealth management and investment returns and more on issues of financial security."
The index is based on the responses of 200 active-duty servicemembers or family members. First Command also surveyed members of the general population and found similar attitudes in both groups. Sixty-four percent of military respondents said they were not confident Washington could avert the fiscal cliff, compared with 58% of the general population, and about 70% of both groups think that failure will lead to higher taxes and slower job growth.
"Notably, military households are significantly more likely than general population households to be taking some type of action to prepare for sequestration and the fiscal cliff," Spiker said.


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On June 13 in Chicago, four practice management experts in the advisor space participated in a day-long, invitation-only roundtable discussion that tackled the Herculean task of defining "practice management" for advisors and addressed the findings of the first Pursuing Practice Excellence study.
The four experts were David Patchen of Raymond James, Kim Dellarocca of Pershing, Kirk Hulett of Securities America and Jim Komoszewski of Investment Centers of America. (From left to right in photo, Brian Stimpfl and Spenser Segal of ActiFi; Komoszewski, Dellarocca and Hulett.)
The intent of the study, which AdvisorOne and Investment Advisor conducted in partnership with ActiFi, was to devise a practice management survey to assess the current state of practice management, identify best practices among advisors and their partners and to discover advisors' key unmet needs and their future challenges and opportunities.
Four separate feature articles that discussed the Pursuing Practice Excellence study appeared in the June, July and August issues of Investment Advisor. Those articles, along with videos of the roundtable participants and additional content, can be found on the Pursuing Practice Excellence home page.
In this slideshow we present for your consideration some photographs displaying the individuals at the roundtable, along with some quotes from the participants on the key issues around advisor practice management.
David Patchen, Raymond James
On What Works in Practice Management Programs
One of the great things about practice management, and I think I can speak for the group here, is that some of our top advisors really help us drive content, tools and tactics…
What differentiates your offering from other firms' from a tools and tactics standpoint is what your specific talented top advisors are doing that's working and that they are willing to share it.
On the Value of Coaching
There's no magic bullet, and coaching is difficult. Coaching makes you uncomfortable; it asks you to take risks. It is hard to do, but when advisors come out the other side and see those results, we ask them, "What was the biggest benefit from a coaching relationship?" They'll have 35% to 40% increased revenue, and they're very thrilled about that. They'll say, "It was the accountability, accountability, accountability. I didn't have that before. I have it now. It allowed me to focus. It allowed me to pick high-priority activities, not things that were distracting."
Kim Dellarocca, Pershing
On How Advisors Value Practice Management Programs
Prospective advisors are really good at sleuthing out when [in practice management programs] it's about the custodian or the clearing firm, when it's about your wallet or when there's some big check being waved around. The classic 'You grow, we grow'? That language makes my stomach curl because I've been serving advisors for 15 years and no firm looked the same to me. No broker-dealer looks the same to me, and we take every client seriously.
On Succession Planning
I think that the reason succession planning is still such an issue is that nobody wants to think about these things. Who wants to think about death and dying? We all carry around a certain amount of hubris. What people might want to think about instead is not retiring but rewiring. How can they rewire as a leader, as a mentor, as somebody who just doesn't close their laptop someday and walk out, or cut the cake and leave their clients and associates and a lot of other people in some pretty vulnerable situations? [How can they rewire] as somebody who can transition themselves to leadership? If when we talk about the future, we saw a [theme] emerge for us, it would be around management and leadership, which is an off-shoot of human capital. Advisors can't go it alone. They need great teams.
What I think we all have is an obligation to help them see the longer term in becoming a good businessperson. These things aren't fun to do—client segmentation, efficiency, understanding benchmarks, succession planning—not fun at all and very long-term in nature, but it's our job as an industry to blow on the nerves of the advisors because these are things that are going to help their team and ultimately going to help the investors. The investor doesn't need another ding in confidence and in trust; and without advisors having these things baked and focusing on business continuity—not sales planning, not succession planning, but business continuity and growth planning—the investors ultimately are at risk.
Kirk Hulett (far right), Securities America
On the Value of Peer-to-Peer Communication
The best advocates for practice management from the institution are the advisors who participated in the programs. When one advisor hears another advisor talking about it, versus me standing on the stage at our national conference last week talking about it, they're going to listen to that advisor before they listen to me.
On the Value of a BD's Own Practice Management Program
In the broker-dealer programs, not only can people liaise and understand the regulatory and compliance [issues] that others may not, but I feel that we can also take the technology tools that we offer and better integrate that into the workflow and operational processes of the advisors affiliated with us.
I think that's a distinct advantage. Same on the advisory side. What are the aspects of our advisory platform that we'll be able to consult on, be experts on that someone outside is not? We can offer success pricing so that as an advisor builds their business on the broker-dealer's advisory platform, we can actually provide a refund back on the subscription fees or the consulting fees that they pay us so it creates rewards that are beneficial to the advisor and beneficial to the broker-dealer at the same time.
On Getting Advisors to Buy In
I had one of our largest reps come to me and say, "Why don't you go ahead and send me the paperwork? I'm 99% sure that I want to work with you." And I said "With all due respect, I won't work with you. I'm not going to be able to help you to the extent that I can because you have some uncertainty, albeit 1%. When you come back to me and say 'I'm 100% for sure' in this, then I'll do it," because that's where the accountability comes in. It's inherent. It's intrinsic; it has to come from them by saying "I believe 100% wholeheartedly in this program."
On the Next Generation of Advisors
Young people don't like the word "sales." They don't want to be salespeople. The Gen Xers, the Millenials or Gen Yers, they don't want to be salespeople. So that's why a big part of what we taught was questioning techniques and tactics: teaching people how to ask better questions rather than teaching them to close someone. That's a concept that young folks just don't have a lot of interest in. They don't want to close anyone; they want to commence something. They want to educate, they want to build relationships.
Jim Komoszewski, Investment Centers of America
On the Process of Practice Management
One of the most critical things for us to do, particularly at broker-dealers, is to brand our programs very, very strongly.
How I did that at NPC was to say, "I'm going to offer a program that's fully comprehensive and follow it from the assessment through the establishment of your individual goals through a custom process. We'll walk you through implementation. We'll get you through execution. We'll set up quarterly monitoring and adjustments. We'll adjust accordingly and we'll re-evaluate in one year from now as a continuum."
That's why I call the program "Pursuit" because a best practice is an ongoing pursuit. When we're coming in as product wholesalers, we're just hitting one spot, one teeny, tiny spot. We're not really doing much good for practice management.
On the Value of Advisor-Specific Practice Management
I'm amazed—and I hope you guys are too—at the thousands and thousands, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars that our advisors pay to participate in coaching or consulting programs where they sit in a hotel lobby next to a dentist and a lawyer and a guy who owns a restaurant. Are you kidding me? This is a very specific industry and we need specific answers to specific problems, and they need to have solutions. Not only do we understand the industry really well, we understand our broker-dealer.
On Getting Started
Lastly, if I have a rep who's struggling in an area and I have one that's really successful, I can either share those stories or set up a call and bring those two individuals together. I want to go on the record by saying I've never told anyone how to use me. I've encouraged many to use other programs. I can't remember [who], maybe all of you, have said that the most important thing [advisors can do] is to do something. Use us, use somebody else, but just do something!
Four separate feature articles that discussed the Pursuing Practice Excellence study appeared in the June, July and August issues of Investment Advisor. Those articles, along with videos of the roundtable participants and additional content, can be found on the Pursuing Practice Excellencehome page.


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Drilling barge pulled from rocks off Alaska island
A large floating drill rig that ran aground a week ago on a remote Alaska island arrived as planned Monday in the shelter of a Kodiak Island bay after being towed about 45 miles through swells as high as 15 feet, officials said.
The Royal Dutch Shell PLC vessel was lifted off rocks late Sunday and towed away from the southeast side of Sitkalidak Island, where it sat exposed to the full-on fury of Gulf of Alaska winter storms since grounding near the beach there on New Year's Eve.
The Kulluk - a circular barge with a diameter as long as nearly three basketball courts - was towed for about 12 hours to the protected waters in Kiliuda Bay, where it will undergo further inspection, including an underwater look at its hull.
"We could not be more impressed with the caliber of the response and recovery crews who were safe and meticulous in their effort to move the Kulluk offshore," Shell Alaska spokesman Curtis Smith said by email.
The vessel will remain in the bay 43 miles southwest of the city of Kodiak until inspectors review its condition and the Coast Guard clears it to travel. Shell incident commander Sean Churchfield said there's no timetable for departure.
"Until we have that damage assessment, we'll not be able to develop those plans," Churchfield said at a news conference Monday.
The massive effort to move and salvage the ship involves more than 730 people, according to the Unified Command, which includes the Coast Guard, Shell and contractors involved in the tow and salvage operation. Eleven people are aboard the ship - a salvage crew of 10 people and one Shell representative
Shell earlier reported superficial damage above the deck and seawater that entered through open hatches. Water has knocked out regular and emergency generators, but portable generators were put on board last week.
The Kulluk is 266 feet in diameter with a derrick in its middle and a funnel-shaped, reinforced steel hull that allows it to operate in ice. Its derrick rises 160 feet. The barge drilled last year in the Beaufort Sea and was headed to Seattle for upgrades and maintenance when it ran into trouble.
Its towing vessel, the 360-foot anchor handler Aiviq, on Dec. 27 lost its line to the Kulluk in heavy seas and hours later lost power to all four of its engines, possibly due to contaminated fuel.
Four reattached lines between the Aiviq or other vessels also broke in stormy weather. The Aiviq on New Year's Eve again broke its line, leaving the Kulluk attached to the tugboat Alert.
Coast Guard Capt. Paul Mehler, the federal on-scene coordinator, said Monday the Alert also experienced a mechanical problem the night the Kulluk went aground. The agency is investigating.
"The understanding the night of the response was that when she was taking maximum power, there was an engine problem," Mehler said. "They did recover that within 30 minutes. The details of that, I couldn't answer yet."
Inspections after the grounding determined that the Kulluk could be towed, and the Aiviq on Sunday reattached a tow line. Tension was added to test the line Sunday night and increased as high tide approached, Churchfield said.
He was not on scene but did not hear of complications.
"The Kulluk came off reasonably easy, would be my assessment," he said.
Mehler said he was in the command center when salvors reported the Kulluk had come off the rocks.
"I won't say that I saw anyone high-fiving," Mehler said. "I'll say there was certainly a sense of relief, but recognizing now we have a lot more work to do."
Likewise, the tow "has gone pretty much according to plan," Churchfield said.
Inspections will involve an underwater look at the hull with divers or remotely operated underwater vehicles or divers or both, he said.
The Kulluk will be tethered to two tugs in the bay and will attempt to set its anchor. If that doesn't work, he said, additional tugs will be used to keep it in place. Four more tugs were on scene Monday.
A tug trailing the drill vessel used infrared equipment to watch for oil sheens and reported no petroleum discharge.


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House adopts GOP rules after partisan debate
The House on Thursday adopted Republican-written rules for the chamber that reflect the party's efforts to cut spending, stop government regulations and oppose same-sex marriage.
The Senate put off discussion of its rules so that the Democratic leader, Harry Reid of Nevada, could develop a proposal to curb filibusters, and try to win support from Senate Republicans.
Traditionally, the House rules package reflects the majority party's legislative positions and is opposed by the minority. The package passed in a mostly party-line vote of 228-196.
Members from each party debated many of the issues that divide them. Democrats tried unsuccessfully to include provisions against corporate political donations from secret contributors, ensuring that voters don't wait in long lines and opposing intervention in same-sex marriage court cases.
The rules would allow the House to continue to intervene on behalf of the Defense of Marriage Act, which forbids same-sex marriage. The Supreme Court has agreed to take a potentially historic look at the law, planning to hear two cases that challenge the government's different treatment of gay Americans.
Republicans ignored the plea of openly gay Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., who argued that Republicans should remove the provision because they were supporting a "federal takeover of marriage and a lawyer stimulus. It's the wrong foot to start on."
Majority Leader Eric Cantor, R-Va., described the Republican rules as an effort to lay out a policy to address job creation, control of the growth of government and limit wasteful spending. He said the package includes proposals to:
-Identify duplicative programs and examine the usefulness of existing government programs.
-Make it easier to see how proposed legislation would interact with existing law.
-Ensure that deliberations over legislation include the effects of government regulations.
-Require that annual budget resolutions include information about welfare programs.
Democrats unsuccessfully proposed changes that reflect their agenda: stopping large corporate political donations from unidentified contributors; limiting waits in voting lines to one hour and increasing days for early voting; and allowing House votes by representatives from the District of Columbia, American Samoa, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Guam, Puerto Rico and the Northern Mariana Islands.
The new chairman of the House Rules Committee, Republican Pete Sessions of Texas, criticized Democrats for leveling "a lot of attacks against employers" and said their proposals should be addressed by legislation.
In a deeply divided House, Democratic legislation has little chance of passage while Republican bills pass but usually die in the Democratic-run Senate.
In the Senate, the key issue is the filibuster that allows the minority party to stall bills and nominations that garner less than 60 votes. Reid has expressed a desire to limit the number of times filibusters can be used on individual bills, while younger Democrats want to go further and require filibustering senators to actually be on the Senate floor while they are holding up bills.
Reid and Republican leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky - and other senators - are negotiating over what changes to make. One proponent of change, Sen. Jeff Merkley, D-Ore., said Reid didn't want to tackle the issue while he and other leaders were handling negotiations that avoided major tax increases and spending cuts.
Reid wants to wait until after the Senate returns to legislative business on Jan. 22 to debate the rules.


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