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Mrs. Dorothy Simonsen, 83, of Ashland, Ore. passed away Sunday, November 3, 2013 at home. She was born October 26, 1930 in Cogswell, N.D. the daughter of Florence and Sidney Savey. Her family moved to Boise, Idaho in 1946 where she graduated from Boise High School in 1948. Dorothy was an accomplished pianist, organist and accordion player, and taught piano for many years. It was her bouncing curls while playing piano during church services that attracted the attention of Ivan O. Simonsen. They were married May 7, 1949 in Boise, Idaho.
Ivan and Dorothy moved to Payette, Idaho in 1951. From 1962 to 1970 they owned and operated Simonsen's Stationery Store offering school and office supplies along with cards and gift items. They were active members of the First Baptist Church in Payette. Dorothy worked as a secretary for the Farmers Home Administration for 20 years, retiring in 1992. Following retirement, Mr. and Mrs. Simonsen moved to Ashland, Ore. where they were actively involved with LitwillerSimonsen Funeral Home.
Mrs. Simonsen enjoyed sewing projects of all kinds. She painted in both watercolor and oils. Writing was a passion that produced poetry, newsletters, family histories and two self-published historical Christian novels. The last one completed just weeks prior to her death. Dorothy was a member of the Ashland First Baptist Church and Chapter BN, P.E.O.
Dorothy is survived by her husband, Ivan, of Ashland, Ore.; two daughters, Bekki (Phil) Meador of Pocatello, Idaho and Judy (Eric) Cazier of Portland, Ore.; a son, Timothy (Kathy) Simonsen of Ashland, Ore.; a sister, Dora Wecker of Boise, Idaho; seven grandchildren; eight great-grandchildren; and several nieces and nephews. She was preceded in death by her parents and two sisters.
The funeral for Dorothy Mae Simonsen will be held at 2:00 p.m. Saturday, November 9, 2013, at the LitwillerSimonsen Funeral Home, Ashland. Interment will be at Scenic Hills Memorial Park, Ashland. A visitation will be held from 5:00 pm to 7:00 pm, Friday, November 8, 2013 at the LitwillerSimonsen Funeral Home, Ashland.
Arrangements under the direction of the LitwillerSimonsen Funeral Home, Ashland.


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What madness! What dream world is Axelrod living in? "Elmer Gantry" is a novel from 1927. It was made into a film in 1960 — half a century ago. I'm 61 years old and the movie pre-dates my movie-going days. Normal Americans are supposed to be conversant with this character? I mean, I know it's a fictional character who was played by Burt Lancaster in the movie that had something to do with religion, but I have to look it up in Wikipedia to try to see what Axelrod was driving at:
The novel tells the story of a young, narcissistic, womanizing college athlete who abandons his early ambition to become a lawyer. The legal profession does not suit the unethical Gantry, who then becomes a notorious and cynical alcoholic. Gantry is mistakenly ordained as a Baptist minister, briefly acts as a "New Thought" evangelist, and eventually becomes a Methodist minister. He acts as manager for Sharon Falconer, an itinerant evangelist. Gantry becomes her lover....Sounds more like Obama than Mitt Romney. New Thought, eh? That made me buy the book, downloaded in Kindle:
... a vicious satire of preachers and those they fool. Gantry has no redeeming features but is seen by the gullible public as a man who speaks the truth about God. Of course he could just as easily have been a lawyer or a politician and the heart of Lewis's satire is how easily people believe what they want to believe.That really does sound like Obama. Interesting that the character is fixed in the Mind of Axelrod! Wish I could trace that thought-path back to its origin.
NOTE: I corrected a couple errors in the transcript text, based on watching the recorded show.
ADDED: A passage from the book that made me think of how Obama might have felt on debate day:
Now that he often had as many as a thousand in the audience, as he peeped out at them from the study he had stage-fright. Could he hold them? What the deuce had he intended to say about communion? He couldn't remember a word of it. It was not easy to keep on urging the unsaved to come forward as though he really thought they would and as though he cared a hang whether they did or not.
It was not easy, on communion Sundays, when they knelt round the altar rail, to keep from laughing at the sanctimonious eyes and prim mouths of brethren whom he knew to be crooks in private business. It was not easy to go on saying with proper conviction that whosoever looked on a woman to lust after her would go booming down to hell when there was a pretty and admiring girl in the front row. And it was hardest of all, when he had done his public job, when he was tired and wanted to let down, to stand about after the sermon and be hand-shaken by aged spinster saints who expected
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My son came home last Monday in a bit of a foul mood. He had been arguing with a woman about Muslims.
"She said all Muslims are bad and want to kill us," he said in a frustrated tone. "That's just not right."
I had to agree with him, but I could understand her position.
I'm sure the bombings at the Boston Marathon earlier in the day had many people thinking that radical Islamists were at fault. As I write this, who is at fault is still unknown. It was tax day; it could've been a disgruntled taxpayer. Perhaps someone wasn't allowed to run in the marathon and sought vengeance.
Who knows? There are plenty of unhinged people in this country. Recent events and the subsequent national debate on gun control are evidence enough of that.
I have many Muslim friends and not one is a terrorist, but they feel the animosity, distrust and sometimes downright hate some non-Muslims project toward them.
Years ago, I was sitting in a bar in Cairo talking with my friend Mohamed, the bartender. We were having a religious discussion.
"The world hates Islam," he said.
What an untenable position for humanity to be in, 1 billion Muslims thinking the other 5 billion people on Earth hate them.
"Well, I love you, Mohamed," I said, doing my part to ease global tension.
"I love you, too," he answered, smiling broadly.
If 1 billion Muslims in this world all wanted us dead, we'd be dead. But the truth is only a very small fraction of Muslims are radical. In my opinion, we shouldn't even call them radical "Muslims." They are not Muslim at all. They are terrorists. That's like calling Timothy McVeigh a radical "Christian." I've never heard him called that.
I saw a Muslim woman on TV once, crying out about how she was ashamed of Muslims who beheaded a Polish engineer. But she needn't have been ashamed. That is not Islam at all. What shall we call them? Islamic defilers? Demons? Both will work.
U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan hit the nail on the head at the Global Ethic Lecture in Tubingen in 2003 when he said, "No religion or ethical system should ever be condemned because of the moral lapses of some of its adherents. If I, as a Christian, for instance, do not wish my faith to be judged by the actions of the Crusaders or the Inquisition, I should be very careful not to judge anyone else's faith by the actions that a few terrorists may commit in its name."
I wrote a book about my time in Egypt, called "The Embrace." The following is an excerpt:
I then went back up the hill toward Khafre (the middle of the three Great Pyramids of Giza) to look for Ali. Just another day almost over ... kind of boring ... and then ....
I saw these three kids, a boy and two girls — probably a brother and two sisters. They have known me for weeks.
"Are you Muslim?" the little girl asked.
I hesitated.
"Shwya, shwya," said the boy, (little, little) which is probably a better description than I could have come up with.
"Are you Muslim?" I asked the little girl.
"I am Muslim," she said with an Arabic accent, shaking my hand softly and firmly. "I am good Muslim."
She looked not at me, but down to the sand, and then, off into the distance. She meant it.
Her jet black hair was tied in a ponytail, and she wore a clean red sweater over a yellow shirt, and jeans. Like almost everybody I have seen in Egypt, she was well groomed.
The conviction of her words, from one so young, surprised me. I pegged her age at eight, maybe ten years old.
I've always felt that the delivery of words, the tone of the voice, the timbre, can speak so much more than the actual words. If a picture can be worth a thousand words, then the sound of words must be worth a few hundred.
I knew, when I heard her say "I am good Muslim," that she wanted to be the best person she could possibly be, for her parents, presumably, and for her God. I knew she was full of love and kindness for everybody and everything, that she wanted peace on this earth, and for everyone to live a long happy life. She wanted fairness, and truth, and all that is good, like so many children all over the planet, like my own little girl Ally, who was a little whimpery when I left, yesterday and an eternity ago. I also knew that being born into relative poverty in Egypt, this little girl was unlikely to get it.
If the world that is prejudiced against Muslims could have seen her face, and heard her speak, I think it would have produced marvelous consequences. There was absolutely nothing but the goodness of childhood in that look, and that earnest voice. If only I could have filmed the little girl saying, "I am Muslim. I am good Muslim."
The hair on my arms stood on end, I was so moved. From the mouths of babes, they say. Any parent in the world would be proud.
If Islamic defilers or demons are found to be responsible for the Boston Marathon bombings, we shouldn't blame the innocent Muslims.
Blame the demons.
Bruce Benson is a Canadian writer and journalist who makes Hendersonville his home. Reach him at bensonusa@ hotmail.com.
Blame the demons, not the innocent
My son came home last Monday in a bit of a foul mood. He had been arguing with a woman about Muslims.


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What should've been a high-flying time with his daughter was one of the lowest moments in Rob Dempsey's life.
What should've been a high-flying time with his daughter was one of the lowest moments in Rob Dempsey's life.
The radio personality was at Charlotte's Carowinds amusement park with Amanda, then 9 years old, and Dempsey's 308-pound frame would not fit in the safety harness of "The Borg Assimilator" ride, despite the attempts of three attendants to strap him in.
After waiting in line for two hours, Dempsey and his daughter left without riding "The Borg." That embarrassing episode in June 2004 was the final straw for Dempsey, the program director and morning show host for Greenville-based Christian radio station HIS Radio 89.3 FM.
"That was a trigger for me; that was the point where I said, 'I have to do something and I have to do it now,' " Dempsey told a crowd of roughly 50 people in Hendersonville Sunday.
With the help of a fitness coach at the YMCA, Dempsey overhauled his diet, began exercising and dropped more than 140 pounds in 16 months.
But he didn't want to do it alone. Dempsey invited his listeners to join him on a journey to better health, creating a 12-week fitness program with the help of Greenville's YMCA called "Rob's Big Losers." Since it debuted in 2005, the program has helped more than 250 people take steps toward a healthier lifestyle.
On Sunday, Dempsey – now a muscular marathoner – kicked off his "Big Losers" challenge at the Lelia Patterson Center, with help from partners at Park Ridge Health and WLOS-TV. Sixteen area applicants were chosen to participate in a 12-week lifestyle overhaul, using Dempsey as their on-air motivator.
The program involves nutrition and exercise education, weekly group activities, exercise boot camps, food journaling and blog writing. Participants, including at least four Park Ridge employees, receive a free 3-month membership at Lelia Patterson's fitness facility and free wellness coaching throughout the program.
Like the network TV show "The Biggest Loser," two teams of eight contestants compete to see who can make the most progress, not just in weight loss, but in changing their lifestyles. As with the TV program, each team has two coaches to challenge and motivate participants, as well as two Park Ridge Health doctors to monitor their progress.
A challenge was what Edwin Robling, 32, of Hendersonville was looking for when he applied for "Rob's Big Losers." The director of Park Ridge Health's materials management department, Robling said a sedentary lifestyle and poor eating habits helped him add about 50 pounds to his 6-foot-3-inch frame and raised his cholesterol.
"I do better in a pressured environment," he said. "I'm looking forward to working with a team and getting myself jump-started towards a healthier lifestyle. It's easy to make excuses. But when you're disappointing your team, it's harder to make bad choices."
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Their challengers, Team 2, is made up of Asheville's Nick Henderson; Stacy Bishop of East Flat Rock; Roger Duckett Jr. of Flat Rock; Heather Krueger of Arden; Lisa Clemens of Fletcher; and Donna Dotson, Darlene Robinson and Melissa Sweeterman of Hendersonville.
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An Apple store in Nashua, NH is at the center of a somewhat disturbing story surrounding the tasering of a Chinese woman who wouldn't leave the store when asked.
The woman, 44-year-old Chinese national and Newton, Mass. resident Xiaojie Li, reportedly turned up at the store last Friday to buy two iPhones. After making the purchase, Li, who says she can't speak English, then tried to buy several more iPhones but was refused by Apple store staff, who told her a two-per-customer limit was in place.
Unhappy with this, Li started videoing other customers she claimed were being allowed to buy more than two units. Hardly surprisingly, staff told her to leave.
Over the weekend, a determined Li apparently ordered two more iPhones online, returning to the same store on Monday to collect them. Staff recognized her and refused to give her the items, and once again ordered her to leave.
When she refused, staff called the cops. Despite an officer asking her to leave, Li stayed inside the store. At this point an attempt at arrest was made but Li reportedly resisted for 15 minutes.
In a video (below) uploaded to YouTube showing part of the incident, you can see – and certainly hear – Li screaming as she's tasered by a cop.
Having been issued with a stay-away order by the Apple store, Li was arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest.
"If she left the store when she was told to leave the store, it would've been done at that," Nashua police captain Bruce Hansen told WCVB TV. "She was told she was under arrest after repeatedly being told to leave the store. She didn't submit to the arrest. The officer used the taser on her to get her to submit to the arrest."
With her daughter acting as interpreter, Li said she was buying the phones for relatives back in China, but according to Nashua police chief John Seusing, the store has been having trouble with visitors buying multiple devices to sell at inflated prices overseas.
Li, who was carrying $16,000 in cash when she was arrested, said through her daughter that she was trying to buy the handsets for relatives back in her home country.
Li's boyfriend, John Hugo, said he was outraged by what had happened. "You go into a store, and you end up getting brutalized by the police," he told WCVB TV, adding that even if she was a reseller, "does it rise to the level of getting a beating from police?"
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Issue Type: Patch Created: 2010-02-27T20:59:38.000+0000 Last Updated: 2011-10-13T17:09:36.000+0000 Status: Resolved Fix version(s): - 1.11.9 (14/Jul/11)
Reporter: Eran Galperin (erangalp) Assignee: Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) Tags: - Zend_Filter_Input
Related issues: - ZF-11819
Attachments: - Input.php.patch2
Zend_Filter_Input has incorrect behavior for handling custom error messages configured via the 'messages' meta-command and applying a 'presence' meta-command on a field validator declaration. This issue extends ZF-8446 and covers additional erroneous behavior.
Using the following sample code:

// .. Require framework classes ..
$data = array(
"title" => "",
"project_id" => "",
"reporter_id" => "18",
"assigned_id" => "0",
"type" => "1",
"priority" => "2",
"tags" => "",
"description" => "",
"reproduce" => ""
$validators = array(
'title' => array('NotEmpty','messages' => 'Please enter issue title'),
'description' => array('NotEmpty','messages' => 'Please enter issue description'),
'reproduce' => array('NotEmpty','presence' => 'optional'),
'browsers' => array('NotEmpty','presence' => 'optional'),
'os' => array('NotEmpty','presence' => 'optional'),
'status' => array('Digits','presence' => 'optional'),
'type' => 'Digits',
'priority' => 'Digits',
'project_id' => array('Digits','messages' => 'Please select project'),
'reporter_id' => array('Digits','messages' => 'Please select issue reporter'),
'assigned_id' => array('NotEmpty','presence' => 'optional','allowEmpty' => true)
$options = array('presence' => 'required','missingMessage' => "Please fill the required field '%field%'");
$input = new Zend_Filter_Input(null,$validators,$data,$options);
$input -> isValid();
echo '
var_dump($input -> getMessages());
echo '
The expected output: (works in ZF 1.7.6)

array(3) {
["title"]=> array(1) {
string(24) "Please enter issue title"
["description"]=> array(1) {
string(30) "Please enter issue description"
["project_id"]=> array(1) {
string(21) "Please select project"
The actual output: (1.10 trunk)

array(4) {
["title"] => array(1) {
["isEmpty"] => string(24) "Please enter issue title"
["description"] => array(1) {
["isEmpty"] => string(30) "Please enter issue description"
["reproduce"] => array(1) {
["isEmpty"] => string(30) "Please enter issue description"
["project_id"] => array(1) {
["isEmpty"] => string(30) "Please enter issue description"
The last two returned messages are incorrect and an error message is returned for a valid field ('reproduce'), which has a 'presence' => 'optional' modifier (which works for some of the other fields). Zend_Filter_Input message handling has been buggy for several major revisions (since the 1.7 version), might be worth to see where it went wrong.
Posted by Thomas Weidner (thomas) on 2010-03-15T13:55:12.000+0000
Regarding "reproduce": The error is correct and not wrong.
You defined that "reproduce" is optional, but when it's available it has to be "NotEmpty"... as the field "reproduce" is available the validator checks if it's not empty... but it is empty, and therefor the error is returned also for the field "reproduce".
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2010-03-15T17:10:36.000+0000
Yes, you are correct, my mistake. However, the error returned is not correct (it uses the 'messages' definition from another field)
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2010-04-28T14:39:49.000+0000
Is there any progress on this? this component still can't be used reliably in current versions of the framework
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-03-27T20:57:05.000+0000
I added a related issue, if you go there, you will find a patch that solves the problem with the wrong error message.
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-03-27T20:58:39.000+0000
I changed it from bug to patch, because you can find a patch in the related issue. If Ralph nor Thomas finds the time to review the patch, I will commit it very soon.
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-03-28T10:10:56.000+0000
The fix is in svn now.
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2011-03-28T10:57:59.000+0000
Thanks Bart. This fix almost fixes the problem - it does restore the default error message and prevents overwriting. There is another problem that is fleshed out now that this is fixed and might deserve a separate issue report - if you declare a validator in the chain that has hidden dependencies (many validators also apply the 'NotEmpty' validator - 'Digits' for example), the 'messages' meta-command is again ignored and the default of the dependencies is used instead.
So if I have something like:

$validators = array(
'status' => array('Digits','messages' => 'Please select your status')
If 'status' has an empty value, I will get the 'NotEmpty' default message - {quote}You must give a non-empty value for field 'status'{quote}
Instead of the error message defined in the 'messages' meta-command. On the other hand if I specify the 'NotEmpty' validator explicitly

$validators = array(
'status' => array('NotEmpty','Digits','messages' => 'Please select your status')
I can now control the error message returned by an empty value. I think it's fair to say this is not the expected behavior (and it's undocumented)
Posted by Bart McLeod (email@example.com) on 2011-03-28T12:09:02.000+0000
Thanks for your fast feedback Eran.
I think I disagree with you here. In your first example of your last comment: If you want to yield the message 'Please select your status', you should provide an invalid digit, such as 'a'. In that case, the Digits validator should trigger the custom message that you supplied. If instead, you supply nothing, I think it is reasonable that Zend_Filter_Input resorts to the default message for empty values that are required.
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2011-03-28T12:57:13.000+0000
I would argue that an empty string is still not a digit. This behavior is not expected - it took me a while to figure out I could override it by adding manually the 'NotEmpty' validator, and I imagine others would have the same problem (though it seems that Zend_Filter_Input is not in common use). Ideally, I could configure the 'Digits' validator to avoid the 'NotEmpty' check, but since it is not the case I'd expect it to use my custom error instead of providing a default override for something I didn't require.
It seems like a case of trying to reuse classes where it's not needed - the 'Digits' validator (and others) could have performed the check for an empty string internally and returned the custom error message attached to that validator. Instead it uses the 'NotEmpty' validator which is both unexpected and complicates matters regarding error messages.
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-03-29T07:00:34.000+0000
I think I get your point to some extend, although I must admit that I myself do not use Zend_Filter_Input in my daily work. By fixing this bug I gained some understanding of the component, but I am not the designer or owner of the component.
What I understand from your last comment is that you would want every validator to check for not empty by itself and not let Zend_Filter_Input interfere with that. The obvious advantages of that approach would be that Zend_Filter_Input could be simpler internally, while becoming more predictable externally at the same time.
Apart from that I personnaly find that intermixing metacommands and validators is not a great feature. It takes us away from the initial Keep It Simple approach that should be typical of Zend Framework components.
However: simplifying this would likely break BC.
I am willing to take a second look at this, but I think you should create a separate issue for that and inform me of that.
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2011-03-29T08:42:36.000+0000
I'm not necessarily saying that each validator should check if it receives a non-empty string - just that if it does, it should be internally. Personally, I don't expect 'Digits' to fail on an empty string - if I want to check for non-empty values, I would add a 'NotEmpty' validator to the chain. The current behavior is not obvious and hard to override unless you know its kinks (like I unfortuntely already do).
I'll just mention that I'm still using an old version of Zend_Filter_Input that works perfectly (I think it's ver. 1.6). Not sure what happened to it since ver. 1.7, but it has become much harder to generate correct error output from it.
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-03-29T08:55:57.000+0000
Thanks again for your feedback. Could you specify exactly what in this particular case 'perfectly' would mean to you in terms of expected behavior and based on which part of the manual (please add citation) you base the expectation.
I would like to make sure that if I change the behavior of Zend_Filter_Input in any way, this change would meet your expectations and that those expectations are based on documented behavior, rather than on how an older version of the component used to behave.
The old behavior may have been accidental and now that you have become used to it, you regard it as perfect? I am not saying this is the case, I just want to make sure that I really understand your use case and the meaning of expected and perfect in this context. Because I do not frequently use the component I do not yet have a feel for what natural or expected behavior would be in this particular case.
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2011-03-29T10:06:52.000+0000
First I'd like to thank you Bart, for pursuing this issue. I'd given up that it would be fixed since it seems efforts are geared towards ZF 2.0.
I went over the source again (haven't looked at it for a while) to understand exactly what is the problem. I think I have it better defined now - Zend_Filter_Input has the 'allowEmpty' meta-command set to false by default. This causes a 'NotEmpty' check to be made for each validator by default, even if it's not explicitly defined in the validation chain. This check is made using the 'NotEmpty' validator before the defined validator is run, overriding error messages defined for the validator in question.
This is mentioned briefly in the manual as well (under the ALLOW_EMPTY meta-command), but the way it's described leads you to believe that the 'NotEmpty' check would be made only if no validators are defined for the field in question.
So what I'd expect in this case is one of two things - * Either the ALLOW_EMPTY meta-command should be set to true by default as not to add validation checks not defined by the developer * Or the defined validator runs before the 'NotEmpty' check allowing it to output its own error messages. In the case of the 'Digits' validator mentioned previously, it does have an internal check for a non-empty value and would have returned the defined error message (expected behavior). I would add that in my opinion it should return custom error message defined for the validator even if it uses the 'NotEmpty' validator internally.
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2011-03-29T10:40:28.000+0000
Another thing that I wanted to add - part of the problem with the 'allowEmpty' meta-command is that it overrides defined 'NotEmpty' validators in the chain. I'd expect it to apply only if there are no such validators defined.

$data = array('name' => '');
$validators = array(
'name' => 'NotEmpty'
$options = array('allowEmpty' => true);
$filter = new Zend_Filter_Input(null,$validators,$data,$options);
if($filter -> isValid()) {
//Validation passes, even though we have an explicit 'NotEmpty' validator defined
Posted by Bart McLeod (email@example.com) on 2011-03-29T11:06:16.000+0000
This is a complicated subject. What is troubling me is that there is still a mix in the expectations you describe, between what is documented and what you find is reasonable.
From a performance perspective, it is wise to run the NotEmpty validators before any others, because if they break the chain, then the more expensive validations do not have to run. It is still easy to add a message for the not empty situation by adding a notempty validator.
I agree that if setting AllowEmpty to true for the overall chain, this should not apply if you explicitly add a NotEmpty validator nor if you explicitly use the metacommand 'presence' => 'required' for a specific validation rule. This should only affect the fact that by default, everything has to be present.
Again, these bugs or improvements should be in separate issues, so that they can be managed seperately, by people that understand the specific issue, this will also help people to add comments where appropriate.
Posted by Bart McLeod (email@example.com) on 2011-04-12T11:34:44.000+0000
I am reopening the issue, because I looked into to the issue with ALLOW_EMPTY and I agree with Eran, that even if each field is allowed empty by default, we should still disallow them to be empty if a NotEmpty validator is found in the ruleset.
I fixed this issue and will attach patches. The patches will wait for your evaluation for a few days. After this time, they will be committed into svn if no one has complained.
Posted by Bart McLeod (email@example.com) on 2011-04-12T11:36:57.000+0000
Attached two patches, with a patch2 extension. Do not worry about the extension.
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-04-13T11:31:53.000+0000
The previous patches still had a problem: the bug would persist if you would use a string 'NotEmpty' instead of a Zend_Validate_NotEmpty instance. I supplied new patches, with a patch3 extension that fix this issue. You no longer need the *.patch2
Posted by Bart McLeod (email@example.com) on 2011-04-14T20:29:09.000+0000
I will commit the resolution as it is in the *.patch3 files.
Thomas, I think my previous fix didn't make it into the 1.11.5 release. How should I go about to get fixes into the next mini release?
Posted by Eran Galperin (erangalp) on 2011-04-14T21:59:16.000+0000
I've tested it and clears all of the use-cases I previously had problems with. I really appreciate your help on this, Bart
Posted by Thomas Weidner (thomas) on 2011-04-16T20:49:23.000+0000
Check if the fix is within branch. If it is then it will be automatically integrated in the next release.
Additionally I am reopening this issue for integration within ZF2.
Posted by Ralph Schindler (ralph) on 2011-07-05T14:08:07.000+0000
Was this merged to the release 1.11 branch?
Also, you can close this if it has been and follow ZF2-27 for integration in 2.x.
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-07-12T17:13:28.000+0000
None of my fixes have been merged it seems. Is this something I should do myself? I had the (wrong?) idea that the component owner would take care of such responsible work, but I am willing to track my fixes back and merge all of them.
Posted by Thomas Weidner (thomas) on 2011-07-13T09:24:57.000+0000
Bart: Can you please merge your changes to branch, add the svn release as note and then close this issue. ZF2 will be done by another issue in this case.
Posted by Bart McLeod (email@example.com) on 2011-07-13T11:06:07.000+0000
Merged all fixes for Zend_Filter_Input and unit test into 1.11 branch
Posted by Bart McLeod (email@example.com) on 2011-07-13T11:06:24.000+0000
Merged into 1.11 branch
Posted by Thomas Weidner (thomas) on 2011-07-13T19:43:57.000+0000
Bart: Which svn release?
Posted by Thomas Weidner (thomas) on 2011-07-13T19:47:48.000+0000
Fixing assignment as Bart did the work
Posted by Bart McLeod (firstname.lastname@example.com) on 2011-07-13T20:06:56.000+0000
this specific fix was in svn release 23861 further fixes (different issue) in 23862, which is the version I merged into the 1.11 branch
Posted by Thomas Weidner (thomas) on 2011-08-25T19:12:48.000+0000
Added to ZF2 with GH-273 Please note that there are still known issues with the provided patch within ZF1 which have been solved within ZF2 by Matthew
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Friday, May 11, 2007
Jim Harbaugh Disses Michigan
"College football needs Stanford. We're looking not for student athletes but scholar-athletes. No other school can carry this banner. The Ivy League schools don't have enough weight [because of their low athletic level]. Other schools which have good academic reputations have ways to get borderline athletes in and keep them in."
"Michigan is a good school and I got a good education there," he said, "but the athletic department has ways to get borderline guys in and, when they're in, they steer them to courses in sports communications. They're adulated when they're playing, but when they get out, the people who adulated them won't hire them."
Gee, those are pretty holier-than-thou comments for a drunk driver.
Look, it's no secret that most college football players at most big-time college football programs aren't majoring in electrical engineering or pre-med. That's about as big a revelation as finding out Charlie Weis has high cholesterol. Yes, some of it is the players but a lot of it also has to do with the fact that playing ball is like having a full-time job on top of one's classwork. Is that the way it should be? No. But it is. So double majoring in physics and chem probably won't work for most student-athletes. Thus, I don't understand Harbaugh's point in bashing his school like that.
Furthermore, Jim neglects to mention all the guys at Michigan - and many other big time schools - who somehow managed to juggle spending 40 hours a week playing football but still go on to become successful doctors, lawyers, business leaders, etc., etc., etc. Is that most college football players? Of course not. Then again, that's not most college students period.
Finally, while Jim Harbaugh was before my time at Michigan, in talking to some acquaintances who were there during his U-M days, I'm told he was pretty "adulated" himself around the A2 campus back then. And, allegedly, he enjoyed that adulation very much. So cut the sanctimonious crap.
Oh, and Jimbo, kiss any chance of coaching at Michigan good-bye. Enjoy Palo Alto.
Sorry, but this story just rubbed me the wrong way.
What are your thoughts, folks?
P.S. And anybody happen to know what Jimmy's major was at Michigan? I'm guessing it was quantum physics but I'd love to know for sure.
39 comments:
- Stephen said...
Apparently Jimmy H was majoring in Communications... such a tough major.
Fortunately his degree has allowed him to effectively communicate that Michigan and other big time schools have to help star athletes through...
- May 11, 2007 3:35 AM
- Crabapple Buck said...
Kiniesiology perhaps? I believe this is the UM major of choice for the athletics department.
- May 11, 2007 7:36 AM
- Jim said...
Hello, Captain Obvious? What that sounds like is a middling coach puffing up his chest in a vain attempt to inflate his middling program. College football needs Stanford? College football already has Stanford, only we call them Northwestern--an academically sparkling school that catches lightning in a bottle about once a decade.
And really, what a shameful, lousy cheap shot. Sure I knew some real bricks on the football team, but two of my best friends managed to struggle through. One became a judge, the other a fighter pilot and officer in the Marines.
- May 11, 2007 9:13 AM
- What Would Jermaine Dupri Do said...
I didn't think it was that big a deal. Like we all said, its obvious that the majority of college football programs do this. Check out the quote again, right before he addresses Michigan he says, "Other schools which have good academic reputations have ways to get borderline athletes in and keep them in." Its not just Mich, its all the schools that are winning. And conversely, its why Stanford isn't winning. We all agree this is going on, so whats the problem? Like Yost said its hard to be on the football team, go to school, and maybe even have a job on the side. The real question is, how much does a school slide recruits in under the academic radar? No one is going to confuse Michigan and Miami, so why can't we admit that we do it sometimes too. I mean when was the last time you saw Quintin Woods with the team?
For a good take on it, check out Vijay at IBFC. although to be honest, i probably stole some off his ideas here.
- May 11, 2007 9:30 AM
- Da Braylon said...
Methinks that people will take this way out of proportion. Should he have said that? No, of course not. But who cares? Let him coach his mid major program and if UM ever happens to play Stanford sometime while he is still coaching there, UM will destroy Stanford.
- May 11, 2007 9:34 AM
- Out of Conference said...
Interchange the words "SEC" with "Michigan" and "Big 10" with "Stanford" and who's communication to fans did he plagerize?
It's just words meant to drum up support, cash, etc. Yeah, Jim H burnt a bridge, but my guess is that he releases a statement explaining himself at some point in the future- maybe when asked about it, when Michigan (or another Big 10 team) plays them, or when Michigan has a coaching opening, etc. Eff him.
- May 11, 2007 9:59 AM
- CrimeNotes said...
I'll tell you why this comment really, really rubs the wrong way. As I saw someone point out elsewhere, most Michigan grads ultimately went to the school for the academics, not the sports, so when a guy like Harbaugh hits you where you live, it feels like a bigger insult than a comment that sideswipes the football program. And yeah, I understand the football-specific context. It was still a gratuitous insult. I hope Harbaugh enjoys never coming back to Ann Arbor.
- May 11, 2007 10:13 AM
- El Pendejo Grande said...
Unbunch your panties, ladies.
Most brilliant thing ever said? no.
Is what he said true? yes.
So get over it. We know Jimmy. He talked smack back in the day, remember? (guaranteeing a win @OSU - remember when that was something that we could accomplish with a reasonable frequency?) This is no different. If the teams meet on the field, settle it there. Otherwise, it's just the Mouse That Roared, all over again. Be something more noble than pissy about the non-entity that is Stanford football.
- May 11, 2007 10:25 AM
- surrounded in columbus said...
Harbaugh has spent a career saying stupid shit. two months ago he was in a pissing match w/ USC over where Pete Carroll will be coaching in two years. his first week of camp w/ da Bears, he got into a shouting match (that developed into a shoving match) w/ Richard Dent (or someone equally big and dangerous). and then the promised victory over tosu, @ tosu?
face it- he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer on matters of appropriately expressing opinions in public. ironically, he may be the living embodiment of how Michigan does let some players slide.
all that said, i don't think he's truly burnt his bridges here. if he's modestly successful at the cardinal, we'll want to consider him for the head coaching job. and once he's here, he'll say stupid shit. maybe even about standford.
i guess after a decade of carr's "aw shucks, he's just tremendous..." say nothing approach, and switzer/tressel's corporate style gobbly gook say nothing approach (hell, even the dispatch makes fun of him), having a coach that actually speaks his mind wouldn't be the worst thing.
- May 11, 2007 10:26 AM
- Ram61 said...
Wake Forest just won the ACC title with about as much as athletic ability as the Eastern Michigan womens basketball team, so for him to say Stanford is the team to "...carry this banner" is ignorant and just plain stupid. And tell me, who ever gave a damn whether their favorite college football player also takes a particular interest in John Nash's equilibria? The NCAA is just fine where it is, and we don't need JH trying to save it.
- May 11, 2007 10:31 AM
- Mark said...
It will be fun watching USC thoroughly pummel and run up the score on Stanford on October 6th and listening to the announcers over and over explain how Harbaugh should never have dissed Pete Carroll.
- May 11, 2007 11:11 AM
- MGoBlue93 said...
For the folks that don't understand why some of us are disappointed with JH's comments, well the way he went about it is simply something a Michigan Man does not do. If people outside A2 don't understand this concept we hold very dear, that's okay, as we see the lack of understanding in some of the responses here.
As an idealist I like to think that my alma mater's program is above a lot of the garbage surrounding contemporary college sports. In reality, I know U of M's AD is a 1st class douchebag who has given us App State and EMU this coming season. I also know Michigan is doing pretty well in the Fulmer Cup and may be adding some more points with 2 yet unnamed players who got caught with smokey dopey during a traffic stop recently. But nevertheless, I still wish the unsavory stuff didn't occur in A2.
If JH felt he needed to get something off of his chest, there are better ways to get accomplish the task. If you want to be a loud mouth, that's fine but once the sensationalism and 15 minutes of notoriety wears off, eventually no one is gonna pay attention.
The lead-in to this article is pretty tame. In casual surfing over the internet lately, I've seen him rant about Michigan treating the players as quote, disposable. JH has taken some swipes at Bo and Carr (although I'm not sure I entirely disagree with him on Carr). If JH had any class at all, he could work out his concerns with the school. Contrary to what JH sez, a lot of former players are still dedicated to the program; Jamie Morris and Rick Leach are two who immediately come to mind. But it's just plain tacky at best of him to fabricate dirty laundry for the press and recruits to see.
- May 11, 2007 11:47 AM
- Matt said...
I TA'd intro physics at Michigan in 1997-98, 80 students per semester. I had a variety of athletes, whose performance was indistinguishable from everybody else. I had one football player, who worked hard, was always prepared, and deserved his A.
Granted a small sample size, but still....
At the same time, Harbaugh's never had an internal filter. This lack of a filter means that he'll never coach at Michigan.
- May 11, 2007 11:55 AM
- Andy said...
Guys, I don't typically disagree with you, but in this case I do. I actually don't have any problem with his comments. I was in A2 the same time a Jim. His first hand experience mirrors my observations. There were (and are) different academic standards for football players in Ann Arbor. While his comments won't help him get the Michigan job when that time comes, he is right. Clearly this he is making his plea to the Stanford fans and adminstration before he goes 0hhhh for the Pac10 this year.
Division I football players are not a typical college students. While there are obvious exceptions: Harbaugh threw a lot of passes to Ken Higgins. The majority of football players at Michigan (or any other DI school) are not academic stars.
- May 11, 2007 11:59 AM
- One Man Gang said...
The only part about Harbaugh's comments that bother me is the part where he makes Stanford out to be the shining gem in the world of academically proud athletic programs. There's a reason that those of us from California still refer to Stanford as "Hard to get into, hard to fail out of." Yes, it's hard to get in, but once you're in, Stanford is a joke. They go out of their way to make sure their graduation rates stay high...they have more pass/fail courses than pretty much any other major D-1 school in the country. If Harbaugh really wanted to toot someone's horn, he should be looking at Northwestern and Duke well before Stanford.
- May 11, 2007 12:21 PM
- CrimeNotes said...
If Harbaugh's comments were part of a serious ongoing conversation about the flaws in Division 1A football, that might, might be different. Instead, this was a gratuitous slam at Michigan's expense, made to a sports columnist in the context of puffing up Stanford. There he is, with a San Francisco sports columnist, talking about how he's the right man for Stanford, and blather blather -- and elects to go out of his way to point out Stanford's moral superiority to Michigan.
Clearly this he is making his plea to the Stanford fans and adminstration before he goes 0hhhh for the Pac10 this year.
Well and good. He rips Michigan to win brownie points at home.
I don't think the problem is that he pointed out flaws in how D1 football operates, it's that he both 1.) chose to suckerpunch Michigan specifically, and 2.) did it for his own short-term gain.
- May 11, 2007 1:19 PM
- Andy said...
So if he called out Miami or Ohio State everyone would be OK ?
He was making a statement regarding the challenges of winning at Stanford. He used (suckerpunched ?) Michigan because that is the only D1 program he has direct experience with. As much as we do not want to admit it, because it damages our view of our program, he is right. Without question he is is right.
Also, I bet if Harbaugh wins a PAC10 title or two at Stanford, he will get a look to coach at Michigan.
- May 11, 2007 2:30 PM
- Nicole said...
I agree in that Michigan people do not sacrifice their own. It was an immature response to his own personal issues to attempt to make himself look better.
He's always been a moron. A few years back I worked at Dominick's and we had to kick him out during Homecoming weekend for getting plastered and then swatting at the back ends of all of the female servers. That is not the type of person I want representing my football team.
- May 11, 2007 3:06 PM
- MGoBlue93 said...
I'm still ticked about Harbaugh using Michigan for his gain at Stanford... but after reading Nicole's and Andy's latest, I wonder if JH said what he did for self-preservation... as in when he was hired as the head coach, he probably was bouncing off the walls. But then when he got to Palo Alto, JH's joy became, "holy shit, what did I get myself into?"
Now that JH is flapping his gums in the breeze, he's polluted the whole local scene with a litany of excuses that will mask the forthcoming 1-10 record. With all the excuses out there, and if the press gets a hold of them and turns them into Gospel (because we all know if it's written down or on the internet, it must be true), nobody is gonna look the wrong way at the head coach for the failures. If it works out, its a politically savvy move.
Nevertheless, JH is still on my Chris Webber, Gabe Watson, Larry Foote, etc. list.
- May 11, 2007 3:58 PM
- Yost said...
Yours is the sort of story I was referring to in the post and I couldn't agree with you more.
- May 11, 2007 5:36 PM
- CrimeNotes said...
So if he called out Miami or Ohio State everyone would be OK?
Yes, but what's your point? It would be bad diplomacy and poor form, and Miami and Ohio State don't exactly fit the rubric of academically strong schools that he was using, but not having gone to either school, I wouldn't be leaving blog comments about it. He also could have made this same observation and not mentioned a specific program.
Also, I bet if Harbaugh wins a PAC10 title or two at Stanford, he will get a look to coach at Michigan.
As much as we do not want to admit it, because it damages our view of our program, he is right. Without question he is is right.
Wait, what? There's truth in every oversimplification. I had a football player in a 500-level history class my junior year. What he talks about happens, but other schools are worse culprits. Some players get exploited, and some players get exploited by Michigan, and I think that that's inexcusable. Neither of us can speak to this with confidence, but based on observations when I was in Ann Arbor and afterward, I'm going to guess that Michigan has much less to apologize for than other national programs.
But I think that's beside the point. That's a different conversation. Harbaugh wasn't speaking out as a reformer, he was puffing Stanford and using Michigan as a straw man. This wasn't an effort to shed light on a serious issue but a cheap shot intended for his own benefit. That's why it's galling.
- May 11, 2007 6:22 PM
- Steve said...
Never take sides against the family, never!
- May 11, 2007 6:39 PM
- katherine said...
Sorry to basically copy what everyone else is so furiated about, but another thing is, he's speaking the most obvious of truths. Anyone who has NO IDEA about college athletics knows that athletes can get in with lower grades/test scores than non-athletes...it's a widley known fact.
So why did he feel as if it was his job to call out Michigan specifically? People are saying "oh well, that's the team he has most authority on." But again, it doesn't matter how much supposed authority you have on this issue, the fact is EVERYONE knows about athlete standards.
It was an asshole move and it seems like he's already giving excuses for the minimum 7-loss season he's going to have this year.
Everyone who thinks this isn't really a big deal always talks about Jim when he guaranteed the OSU win, but first of all, he was a kid back then. Second of all, he was a player trying to rev up his teammates, and although was a dumb move, it worked and fans love the guy for his homer-attitude. This was the exact opposite. Totally asinine.
- May 11, 2007 11:03 PM
- Andy said...
So the issue isn't that he stated something that was not true, but the fact that he used Michigan as an example ?
And we wonder why buckeye fan constantly points to our "holier than thou" attitude.
I love Michigan and our football program beyond what is normal. In the fall, I spend way too much time reading, ranting, and watching the wolverines. At the same time I am realistic regarding the academic/athletic balance that is required to compete at the highest level in college football. While better than most, Michigan is really no different than most of the top programs.
Are there counter examples ? Sure. Every program has solid students.
Do I like the fact that he called out Michigan ??? No, but I understand that this is his only first hand experience.
Did he state the truth and do I agree with what he said ??? Yes.
Does it damage my opinion of him. ??? No. JH is entitled to speak the truth and I recognize that his his real motivation is to explain/improve Stanford.
- May 12, 2007 12:10 PM
- rex said...
Well all I have to say is that Pete Carroll and Walt Harris are friends and USC beat Stanford like 40something to 0 last year with Pete's friend coaching. This Jimbo gets to come to the Coliseum and after his comments Pete may try to break 100 on Jimbo. I just hope they start hydrating the Horse, Traveler now, he may get leg cramps runnin around the Coliseum that day! Fight ON and Go Blue!
- May 13, 2007 11:09 AM
- TitleIX said...
Generally, I agree with Andy's comments about Jimmy's use of Michigan as a specific example. Insert any other academically respected institution with a strong football program in place of Michigan, and none of us would care about Jimmy's comments.
However, Jimmy's comments are a sanctimonious load of crap, and that's what is annoying to me. He was the beneficiary of alllll sorts of the "allowances" while at Michigan that he now disparages.
I too was here with Jimbo and I can tell you that Jimmy majored in Be Bim Bop at Steve's Lunch. (white rice with an egg)
This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
- May 13, 2007 2:36 PM
- TRG said...
doesn't matter who it was who said it and whether or not you feel he was entitled to do so. Harbaugh is right.
- May 13, 2007 10:23 PM
- TRG said...
andy: spot on.
- May 13, 2007 10:24 PM
- katherine said...
Would his statements have any balls to them if Bo was still alive? Or maybe while he was a student at Michigan? If he really gave two shits about the state of college football, why didn't he say this before? I know many will say it's because his new platform at Stanford. However, any former player with his success at Michigan(especially a QB) has just as much of a platform as a coach at Stanford. A current player saying these comments has more credibility. Think if Mike Hart said this. What would you say then? So why do you care so much now, Jimbo?
Title9 is right...sanctimonious peice of crap statement. That's all it was. And Andy, you're right, because it was aimed at my team, it's even more annoying. Regardless of this, crap still = crap.
But lets just think about it for a second. He is saying our university isn't giving players a better chance to succeed in the future? Isn't he a product of this "horrid" system? And look at him now, coaching at the University of Stanford...a beacon of light in the dark realm of college footbll. I guess the system works just fine, Jimmy.
And Andy, this has nothing to do with a "holier than thou" attitude. Instead it has everything to do with the fact that EVERY school does it yet only ours was thrown under a bus (to which no one will deny). I dare him to grow a pair and name other schools and really tackle the problems with CFB.
- May 14, 2007 12:32 AM
- katherine said...
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- May 14, 2007 12:45 AM
- katherine said...
And TRG...yes, it does matter. Speaking the truth is not the same thing as being honest. He lacks integrity and sincerity with his words, and that, my friend, is what's wrong.
- May 14, 2007 12:47 AM
- MGoBlue93 said...
Liked the reply katherine...
To piggy back on your remarks, if U of M treats players as "disposable" (JH's words), I wonder what we should say about schools like, oh say, Illinois, and that ridiculous leap in recruiting Zook took this past winter???
Or how about the drive-by in Miami this past fall where one of the players in the house had the wherewithal, while under fire, to go into the house from the porch and get his machine gun to return fire. And then when questioned by authorities, his reply was a matter-of-factly stated, "when you're a player at Miami you're a target"?
Just wondering???
So to some there is an perceived "arrogance" regarding A2? Perhaps... but I'd tell folks to get over it. I went to Michigan for lots of reasons... among them, well-connected alumni, a well-rounded education, the intangibles that go along with having a piece of paper, etc., if that's called arrogance, so be it. Despite a perfect score on one of the sections of the ACT, lettering in 3 sports in HS, earning a state merit scholarship, I didn't get into Michigan on my first try. But it was something I wanted really bad. So I went to Washtenaw CC for 2 semesters and got in on my second time around. I like to take pride in my alma mater and the hard work I put in... that should never be mistaken for arrogance.
Additionally, I have a close friend who is on the coaching staff of a prominent D1 program. Let's just say this guy is in a position which rates an office of his own with walls all the way to the ceiling and a door (I'll leave the rest of the details out for privacy's sake). He tells me they most certainly will consider looking the other way at GPA, grades, or test scores when looking at recruits (but there is a limit to their generosity). They do that not to sell themselves out but because it's practically impossible for elite talent to have a commensurate academic resume; there are simply not enough hours in the day for most to do both. And before anyone flames me, yes, we all know the there are more folks like Alex Legion in the world than a well rounded scholar athlete.
So while I have wavered on my opinion about this topic over the past few days, and considering some stuff I touched upon above, I don't buy the arrogance take one bit... JH is sanctimonious and there is nothing wrong with someone calling him out!
- May 14, 2007 3:29 PM
- JD said...
The old midwestern aphorism of "an closed mouth gathers no foot" comes to mind here.
In all candor, I don't think that the folks in A2 were the intended targets of Harbaugh's verbal diarrhea. I think it was meant more for the nice folks across San Francisco Bay, because he's going to need something this season with which to fight Kal in the press - because the kids he's got playing for him sure as hell ain't gonna be able to do it.
After all, "APR, Bitchessss!" just doesn't have that ring to it when you're getting the Axe shoved up your arse for the sixth straight year.
I think his reference to UM was probably more of a bona-fide thing, ill-considered to say the least.
But mark this: If Harbaugh is able to get a school like Furd turned around, then all will be forgotten in the event that UM needs a coaching transplant.
- May 14, 2007 7:12 PM
- TRG said...
katherine...you missed my point, which is that you all are pretty jaded to think the issue worth discussing is harbaugh, instead of the fact that UM engages in the type of behavior he describes.
- May 14, 2007 10:53 PM
- katherine said...
We're jaded to not be upset that UM engages in the type of behavior he describes? Lol, are you kidding me? Just what exactly is that type of behavior? Talk about a "holier than thou" statement. He later said in his phone interview with Jim Carty that he was steered out of a major in history. At this point, he really dug himself a deep hole. To me, this is highly unlikely and bears no crediblity because 1)no offense but history isn't that tough of a major and 2)shining example of excellence, is Stephan Humphries, a two-time All Academic and one-time Athletic All-American who played during Harbaugh's time at Michigan. Obviously nobody steered Humphries out of going pre-med because he went on to become a doctor after a 5-year stint in the NFL. A question I raise about all of this is how much truth was he actually speaking? That we bend our standards? Sure we all know that, but how far do we bend them? Are their programs who bend way more than we do? Probably.
The issue at hand is how well does our university educate our players and what opportunities are supposedly being missed to succeed in the future. He said he "got a good education there," and he clearly benefitted from this system he is speaking of, so what's his problem with the type of behavior he describes of our University, trg? Please, tell me what's wrong with it...and then I'll take your point in stride. The problems he claims exist were his own self-determination (or lack thereof)...not with the University. If you want a good education at Michigan, they can and will give it to you. Because this is the case, what exactly is the problem he speaks of?
Another issue is, doesn't the all-mighty Stanford lower their standards for athletes as well? Yes, they do it to a lesser degree, but they do it. So what exactly is he proposing? That standards for athletes should be exactly the same for admission for a non-athlete? Or should college football just abandon the whole "student" part of the term "student-athlete" all together and create a semi-pro league? If he was so sincere about his words, I'd like a response to those questions.
Fact is, to call out Michigan of all schools, who actually does a pretty good job balancing the quality of academics and athletic programs compared to most, was not a bright move for numerous reasons. One being that he sort of alienated his Michigan fan base and internally ticked many of us off a bit (as shown here), but furthermore, made himself look pretty dumb because the University of Michigan has pretty decent academic standards for their players when also considering their winning percentage. Just a bad example, period.
- May 15, 2007 2:55 AM
- san francisco values said...
Jim was there, Bill Frieder was coach of the basketball team and the baseball team was also doing some veerrrry interesting things. Not having been back to A2 since that time (I was a student there from 86-88), I can't really say whether the school has cleaned things up or not, but they also wouldn't have had to try very hard to register a lot of improvement.
- May 16, 2007 6:07 PM
- Jim said...
Is this a huge deal? Probably not, but it is sad and dissapointing. Mostly because the point he was making is like noting the sky is blue--such common knowledge that no specific example was needed. So why go out of your way to throw your Alma Mater under the bus? You always like to think your fellow Alumni are proud to be associated with the school. JH's comments were very dismissive and, at least to me, unexpected. I think that's why they sting a little.
- May 16, 2007 7:17 PM
- ax said...
These earlier comments (circa 2007) come off as very ironic to me. I can almost guarantee that these "JH haters" are now RR haters, and would welcome JH. They were happy in '97 and made fun of Carr most other years.
They don't know that when their team has a few down years, their support is most needed. They don't realize how easy it is to cheer for a winning team: Anybody can do it. They don't know what loyalty is. Loyalty is cheering for their down team who they know will, one day, again be great (to paraphrase Yost and Bo).
Do they not realize how powerful and lethal the Michigan offense is? The only question is if RR can at least delegate defense, because this is his only weak spot.
- December 30, 2010 4:26 AM
- Brian Johnson said...
Looks like they got him despite these comments...
- December 30, 2014 12:34 PM