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Miles far from coach U-M should get
But in the immortal words of Lee Corso: Not so fast, my friend.
If you watched the LSU/Arkansas game, you saw exhibit 1A on why I don't think Miles is the best choice for U-M. Fact is, there was simply some boneheaded coaching by LSU's top Tiger down the stretch.
For example, on 4th and 2 at around midfield with just over two minutes left, Miles had his QB fake a run to the right then throw back across the field for a screen. This play took forever to develop and if not for a missed tackle by a Razorback player, the game would have been over before the OT excitement.
Then, as LSU neared the Arkansas redzone, Miles called two quick timeouts with over a minute left which made NO sense whatsoever. The game is going to end (or should) one way or another on this drive. As the announcers even stated, the only thing Miles quick timeout calls did was give Arkansas almost a full minute to get in position to attempt a game winning FG in regulation.
Dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
This is also the coach whose last gasp, game-winning TD against Auburn - in which he almost burned out the clock with a timeout to spare and in position for a game-winning FG - was lucky not brilliant.
And don't forget the meltdown by a mediocre-at-best Tide team that allowed Miles and his Tigers to escape with a victory against 'Bama.
Also, while many in favor of a Miles hire point to his brass ones after he went for it on something like 84 consecutive fourth downs earlier this year against Florida, don't be fooled. As the Auburn play clearly illustrates, there's a big difference between gutsy play calling and bullheaded bravado. And I'm afraid Miles falls into the later category.
Throw in his head-scratching, why-even-say-those-comments regarding USC and the Pac-10 before the season began - comments about a team and a conference he doesn't even play and such factors begin to add up - add up to a man that I don't think is the best fit for Michigan.
And I'm not even including the rumored issues from the recruiting trail that allegedly upset Carr.
So while I won't go so far as to say the emperor has no clothes, I will say I'm not so sure he's wearing much more than an ill-fitting purple and gold toga and some socks.
Be careful what you wish for, Wolverine Nation. Be careful what you wish for.
32 comments:
- Feelin' Blue said...
That's what I've been saying. Les Miles is not that great a coach. LSU has been scraping by decent-at-best teams. If the Michigan AD wants to turn Michigan into a yearly national contender, then skip Les Miles.
Not just my top 3 choices, but whom Michigan should be looking at, period.
Brian Kelly
Chuck Martin
Paul Johnson
Everyone else isn't worth a damn call, unless, er, I missed someone.
- November 26, 2007 1:19 AM
- Feelin' Blue said...
...such as Jim Grobe! Awesome coach. What he has done at Wake Forest is remarkable. Great, great coach.
- November 26, 2007 1:32 AM
- CrimeNotes said...
Amen, brother. The grassroots push for Miles has been a little terrifying. Miles coaches the way Christopher Walken played Russian Roulette in The Deer Hunter. Here's hoping this saga comes to an end soon.
- November 26, 2007 1:54 AM
- Runngunn29 said...
I think you over-simplified the Les Miles thing. All that needs to be said was that the "team of the decade", such a talented team that a coach couldnt f**k it up if he tried, has TWO losses BEFORE the SEC championship game.
Maybe some LSU fans were right to be a bit cautious about Les. Bet they regret that "March for Miles" the night before now. Of course, a good amount wont admit they were overrated and just place it on the SEC schedule being too tough to navigate (because I'm sure the USC and Miami teams of the recent past wouldnt have waxed Kentucky, Arkansas, and everyone else).
- November 26, 2007 2:01 AM
- Korematsu said...
I agree, Yost. Miles will not be a good fit for Michigan football. At the beginning of the season, I was on board with Les coming on after Lloyd. But after watching the way LSU played Auburn, Alabama, and of course Arkansas, I changed my mind. I admit, just to be able to win consistently week in and week out in the SEC is a great accomplishment. But I do think that Miles make ssome poor coaching decisions that, before Arkansas, were written off as being "bold" and "gutsy" just because his team was able to get the W in the end. Don't get me wrong, I think Michigan very badly needs a coach who will play to win rather than play not to lose. That was always my main beef with Carr. And I like the fire in Miles. But to me, he's already way too hyped and he doesn't really live up to it, even at talent loaded LSU. But I think that if Michigan makes him the offer, he definitely will come. I'm not sure if we will make him the offer though.
I vote for Brian Kelly. He may not be a "Michigan man," but I think that the "Michigan man" mentality is absolutely stupid (and speaking as an alum, pretty foolishly arrogant too). Kelly won two I-AA championships at Grand Valley and also made Central Michigan competitive before heading to Cinci, and Cinci isn't doing too shabby this year. I think we gotta go with a lower profile coach--if we get Les, the next couple of seasons will be a disappointment, both in the eyes of Michigan fans as well as in the national eyes. We need someone to energize the program effectively next year, especially with the drain of players that we're likely to have coming into '08.
- November 26, 2007 2:19 AM
- Out of Conference said...
Wait a sec - Yost, no offense, but would you have really thought yopur two examples were bone head moves by a HC if the announcer didn;t mention it first?!?
Next - what was a bad call about that first play you mentioned? I saw it and heard the announcer make the same comment you did, but the Arky missed tackle wasn't so much a missed tackle as it was the talent of the LSU player. If I remember correctly, it wasn't one of those tackles where the guy had the LSU player wrapped up but got lazy and let go. I'm not even sure the Arky player touched him, or at last enough to call it a missed tackle. Next, the timeouts were puzzling to me as well, but I'm sure Les wouldn't have called those TOs unless he thoguht he needed to consider things. IN the end, it had no impact on the game whatesoever, except maybe prevent a TO or a costly sack losing them yards.
Bad mouth Les all you want - he deserves some of it. With the talent he had at LSU this season, especially on D, no one should have even gotten close to beating LSU this year. But don't hijack an announcer's impressions of bad calling that turned out in fact to be in LSU's favor. Or at least certainly didn't hurt LSU.
Don't be so quick to assume that Les will take the Michigan job if offered. He probably would, but like I mentioned elsewhere (here maybe?!?), the smugness coming out of Ann Arbor that you'll get whatever coach is offered reminds me of the smugness in Tuscaloosa during the coach hunt.
- November 26, 2007 8:22 AM
- Jim said...
Nah, I'm with Yost on this one. Miles isn't gutsy, he's reckless and panicky. We need to look around a little.
P.S. At least some of that "arrogant" assumption that Miles would take the job probably comes from the massive buyout LSU put in his contract to specifically prevent him from doing so.
And please, we may not be the power that we once were, but we haven't become *Alabama*. Yeesh.
- November 26, 2007 8:37 AM
- whetstonebuck said...
You all aren't getting on the Mgoblog bandwagon concerning the rumored offer to Iowa's Ferentz?
- November 26, 2007 8:58 AM
- Jon said...
That play wasn't as bad as it seems... the guy caught the pass with nearly 4 seconds left, and then the clock kept running. If it's incomplete, and they stop it properly, there are at least 2 seconds left... so they could have gotten the FG unit out there. I'm not Les' #1 fan, but using this play as an argument against him doesn't hold much weight to me.
- November 26, 2007 9:22 AM
- Out of Conference said...
Hey Jim - don't confuse with the 'from the outsider's perspective' warning (call it constructive criticism if you want) about the coach hunt smugness with anything resembling me thinking Michigan is becoming Bama. You and I are both better than that line of thought.
- November 26, 2007 9:36 AM
- Mikoyan said...
I mention my choice for coach but he's not coming out of Annapolis.
There's opening the playbook and then there's reckless abandon.
- November 26, 2007 9:58 AM
- Katie said...
I have been on the fence all along about Miles. Risky to say the least. I have heard some really good things about Chuck Martin, he sounds like someone worthy of the risk. Face it, anyone is a risk right now, what we really want is someone to at least feel good about. Which is why the uproar at MGoBlog about Fireneza....he is not a feel good candidate.
- November 26, 2007 10:12 AM
- drakeep said...
Brian Kelly. Grand Valley State is a great program and constantly a winner when he was there. And look at what he's done at Cincy. That is a good coach.
Les hasn't been all that impressive.
- November 26, 2007 10:19 AM
- Lysa said...
Hire Lovie Smith!!!
end to story!
SIKE ( Just Kidding)
I'm so not into Miles, I hate seeing is 4th and long go for it plays. I don't want to spend a season with no voice after yelling at Miles. He's not good for Michigan football, and honestly hes not that great of a coach.
In all honesty,
Urban Meyer is really the man for this job. And I know most of you think hes an asshole, jerk and what not. The next best bet is to hire Cowher or Tuberville.
I personally don't feel Kelly is the man for this job either. He seems as though he would look good on paper, but when it comes down to it, he would be our Charlie Weiss.
- November 26, 2007 12:19 PM
- Katie said...
Lysa, if Urban Meyer came here, I would have to transfer to another school. I highly doubt that with his attitude, Michigan would even consider him. I dislike him more than I dislike sweater vest.
- November 26, 2007 12:27 PM
- Lysa said...
I agree, Urban Meyer does have a nasty 'tude but out of all the names people have been throwing out, Urban is one of the best.
- November 26, 2007 12:42 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
I think you have a crush on ol' J.T.
- November 26, 2007 2:13 PM
- Katie said...
Well, I had a crush on you whets until you slapped me, now I guess I have to settle for .....ewwww....I can't even say it as a joke!
- November 26, 2007 2:26 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
SLAPPED YOU!? What in the world are you talking about?
- November 26, 2007 3:00 PM
- Shake said...
I've been hoping he takes the Michigan job for my own selfish reasons.
As a Sooner fan, I've seen what an ass he is firsthand while he was at Okie State.
I have no idea how he got the LSU gig, and fell assbackwards into a national title caliber team.
I want him at Michigan where he can just fall into the also rans. At LSU, they have so much natural athletes that an idiot like Miles can get lucky and get to the big game on their backs alone. At Michigan the asshat will have to do some actual coaching.
- November 26, 2007 3:13 PM
- Katie said...
Just messin' with you Whets. ;o)
- November 26, 2007 6:24 PM
- Katie said...
Anybody see MGoBlog tonight? I am feeling so sick.
- November 26, 2007 8:28 PM
- Jim said...
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- November 26, 2007 10:52 PM
- MGoBlue93 said...
- November 26, 2007 10:57 PM
- Feelin' Blue said...
I was really big on Chuck Martin. Someone on mgoblog explained that Chuck Martin isn't the brains behind the operation at GVSU, but Brian Kelly is. Brian Kelly is an innovator and a leader, and Chuck Martin has just been following Kelly's model really well. I don't know. I'm sure Chuck Martin could be a good hire. My top 5:
Brian Kelly
Paul Johnson
Jim Grobe
Jim Leavitt
Bobby Johnson
- November 27, 2007 2:23 AM
- Katie said...
Feelin Blue, you know what got me to thinking about Chuck Martin was someone on goblog who compared Kelly's record with Martin and Kelly's record without Martin......that was fairly impressive to say that Martin is the good behind Kelly. Am I missing something?
- November 27, 2007 8:20 AM
- Feelin' Blue said...
Yeah I read that post too, but someone by the name of Meechigan Dan said that he had been following GVSU football since the 80s and had that analysis. I trust him with my life.
- November 27, 2007 11:08 AM
- Katie said...
Thanks, there are so many posts over there, it is difficult to read them all, and keep track of what you have read and what you haven't. It does go a long way in my procrastination loop though......:o)
But I do appreciate the info.
- November 27, 2007 11:24 AM
- stella said...
LSU fan here. Lots of folks in BR are lamenting the likelihood that Miles is gone, especially after you guys got permission to talk to him earlier today. Miles is 32-6 since coming to LSU. Apparently, I am in somewhat of a minority, but my opinion is TAKE HIM. It is believed here that our chance to win the MNC is closing on us for a bit after this year. It could be argued that Miles is winning a lot on Saban's recruits after Saban rebuilt the program. The caliber of our recruiting classes have dropped a bit as of late. That's Miles. And my personal belief is that LSU had far more talent, at least on paper, than any other school this year, yet we have 2 losses and almost certainly will miss the MNC.
While I think Miles is a good character guy, let us not forget that he was wallowing a bit in oblivion at Okie State before LSU picked him up. Now he, like Saban before him, is using LSU as a stepping stone to another gig? Scroo that. But I guess I should cut him slack because it is his alma mater we are talking about. I am sure once the deal is finalized, we will hear CLM say that he never would have left LSU had it not been for this specific chance to go home. IOW, there would be no other job he would take other than the UM job.
Thanks for everything, CLM, you'll go down as one of our winningest coaches, even if your time here was brief. That said, don't let the door hit ya on the way out of town. lol
Sorry, it is what it is. :)
- November 29, 2007 12:24 AM
- Smitty said...
Since Les has been the coach at LSU other SEC schools have not feared being out-coached. Other schools may lose because of the talent on the sidelines for sure. Les has been lucky this year rolling the dice. He better be glad he has had a damn good senior laden team to bail him out. He's a flake and in over his head if you want my opinion. His little outbursts and gonorhea of the mouth show his true colors.
- November 29, 2007 2:39 PM
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- November 30, 2007 3:58 AM
- swindlerjackson said...
Yost and Miles detractors: You're way off.
May you have Lloyd forever.
I'll take Les. "The Hat" will destroy the sweatervest soon enough and you'll all be eating your words.
As a Michigan alum, you people disgust me. Turning your back on one of own like this. Like I said, I hope you get stuck watching re-runs of every Carr Ohio State loss in Hell.
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Thus, the MZone has written the following email to Rose Bowl Executive Director Mitch Dorger. We encourage other Michigan fans - as well as college football fans in general - to do the same by sending a letter to Mitch Dorger's attention at email@example.com.
Dear Mr. Dorger,
As lifelong Michigan fans, we are extremely excited at the prospect of the Wolverines playing in the 2007 Rose Bowl. A trip to the Granddaddy of Them All would be a fantastic cap to a great season.
However, much recent talk about Michigan's opponent, if the Wolverines are selected, has centered on a potential rematch with Notre Dame, something we find about as exciting as a case of kidney stones. Furthermore, I bet most other Michigan fans - as well as college football fans across America - feel the same way.
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But there is a great match-up out there pitting two top fives teams against each other: #3 Michigan vs. #5 LSU.
Not only would an LSU-Michigan matchup likely be much more competitive than another Michigan-Notre Dame game, the Tigers and Wolverines, despite their storied histories, have never played. In addition, LSU head coach Les Miles played for Michigan under legendary coach Bo Schembechler in the 1970s.
Obviously we understand that a number of issues are considered when selecting teams for your bowl game, such as how a team's fan base travels. But this is not an issue with LSU supporters. Their fans are as ravenous as any in the country and would, we're sure, be delighted at the opportunity to play in their first-ever Rose Bowl.
So please don't give in to the temptation of matching up Michigan and Notre Dame...again. And consider the incredible pairing of two top five teams in Michigan and LSU - as they meet for the first time ever - in Pasadena.
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Yeah I agree. I'm neither a Michigan or Notre Dame fan and I think it would be stupid.
Notre Dame is so overrated its nuts. They played 2 good teams this year and got beat in both by 20 or more.
Quinn= overrated
Samardjiza= overrated
The boxing DB= way way way overrated
- November 27, 2006 3:16 AM
- Zach Landres-Schnur said...
notre dame has the talent for the continental tire bowl...gross that with its high profile, ND will even be playing in january. with that, an SEC team would be fun. two great defenses would be on display.
- November 27, 2006 3:32 AM
Offer up ND to Wisconsin in the Capital One?
- November 27, 2006 7:07 AM
but playing ND at least guarantees us a win in the RB.
- November 27, 2006 7:26 AM
- MGOBLUE94 said...
First of all go UCLA (probably not a chance in hell, but hey Hell froze over).
My email to Dorger was:
Just say NO TO ND!
Not because I don't want a rematch, I just think they don't deserver a shot in any BCS game with their cream puff schedule and not being anywhere close against their ranked opponents!
- November 27, 2006 8:12 AM
As a Trojan fan, I'm looking forward to AZ, and think UofM deserves better than ND. Hopefully, the RB selection commitee will choose CFB over TV ratings and match you guys with anyone other than the domers.
- November 27, 2006 8:16 AM
A few other points:
1) LSU and Michigan are the most talented teams in the country behind Ohio State. LSU might have a slight edge in the depth of that talent.
2)There's nothing quite like going to your school's first Rose Bowl to jack a team up (see Texas two years ago). An LSU/Michigan matchup brings the possibility of a third consecutive CLASSIC Rose Bowl game.
3) As far as TV ratings are concenered (and I know ND has the initial advantage here), as a neutral football fan, I'm going to watch at least a little bit of the Rose Bowl anyway. I'm going to stick around longer for a close, competitive contest. Notre Dame's lack of team speed would render another contest with Michigan moot by halftime. As a TV viewer, I'm gone long before that.
- November 27, 2006 8:34 AM
- PeckHorn78 said...
Geaux Blue!
- November 27, 2006 9:00 AM
I dunno, if we can't go to the title game, I wouldn't mind beating the crap out of ND three times in twelve months.
- November 27, 2006 9:06 AM
- Kraut said...
PLEASE ... not Notre Dame. Florida, LSU ... hell, even Arkansas, Oklahoma, or *gasp* Boise State. You know what ... I'd rather even see Louisville, Rutgers, or West Virginia.
(Did I miss anyone else in the Top 10? Oh yeah ... the only team in the Top 10 I'd rather not see versus Michigan in the Rose Bowl is Wisconsin and that's not going to happen anyway.)
- November 27, 2006 9:37 AM
Chances are you will play florida for the Rose Bowl... and destroy them in an attempt to shut up all SEC fellators and Urban.
- November 27, 2006 9:39 AM
Should've also mentioned that you will be playing ND again the second week next season...That'll make playing ND 3 times in the span of 14 games...Ridiculous...
- November 27, 2006 9:48 AM
So Richard Cranium- if UofF and Michigan do play in the Rose, and Florida wins, will you be the first one on here expressing your apologies, or can we expect another full year of your hatred for the SEC? Just making sure we know who we're dealing with here.
- November 27, 2006 9:56 AM
Well since ND is probably going to a BCS game...send them to play Boise State in the Fiesta Bowl....ND defense can give up like 60 pts in that game.
Rose - Mich vs OU
Fiesta - Boise vs ND
Sugar - Ark vs Lous
Orange - LSU vs Gtech
BCS - Ohio vs USC
- November 27, 2006 11:05 AM
what about the winner of the B12 championship. if we get oklahoma that'd be a good game of two storied programs, but if we get nebraska, it'd be the same with REVENGE!
- November 27, 2006 11:19 AM
How can we still be talking about ND and Quinn. Doesn't this video say it all.
Go BLUE!!!
- November 27, 2006 11:22 AM
How would LSU fans feel with being in the same area as the school that they share the 2003 national championship with?
- November 27, 2006 11:36 AM
You deleted my comment about you guys being whiny bitches.
Fucking pussy.
- November 27, 2006 12:16 PM
I just sent you my letter. I encourage everyone to join in this! It doesn't take long and if we can get several hundred of these into his e-mail box we can't be ignored!
- November 27, 2006 12:31 PM
But, beating ND again will make me giggle with glee and not loose sleep prior to the game.
- November 27, 2006 12:37 PM
typo- lose... man I need to proof-read
- November 27, 2006 12:38 PM
it took less than one hour for an lsu fan to be baited.
- November 27, 2006 12:55 PM
Gee I hope USC beats UCLA or this debate is all for nothing....
- November 27, 2006 1:15 PM
So you want a rematch with OSU, but no rematch with ND? Hypocrites. No one cares who you play in the rose bowl, as it's as meaningless this year as any other bowl game, except the National Championship, which you won't be playing in. Play LSU, Boise St, or ND....nobody cares about a team that tied for second in their own conference.
There's only one #1 team in football and basketball and it sure as hell isn't UM.....head south for 3 hours and you'll see who i'm talking about. Geaux Bux!
- November 27, 2006 1:24 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
Anon 10:24,
so, under your analysis of "relevant", tosu has been relevant once in the last 30 years prior to this season? last year's fiesta bowl was meaningless like "all the other bowls"?
get over yourself. if you only think of the "NCG" as relevant, you're going to have whole decades out of relevancy.
- November 27, 2006 1:33 PM
surrounded........actually, yes....i think every year most bowl games are irrelevant thanks to the awful BCS....i'm for a playoff, like most fans are....i think the only relevance is internally to each program, giving practice time to younger players etc.....last year, the only relevance of our fiesta bowl vs ND was it probably allowed us to be ranked #1 preseason, while ND was #2....and we know how far that got them.
UM vs LSU would only be relevant to fans of those programs.....either way though, i think you guys start next year #1.
as for a rematch.......its not needed.
- November 27, 2006 1:41 PM
I agree Michigan shouldn't play Notre Dame in the Rose Bowl for the same reason Ohio State shouldn't play Michigan in the National Championship. YOU BEAT THEM,THEY NEED MOVE ON!!!!
Not to mention what a boring match-up that would be.
Go Bucks!!!! #1
- November 27, 2006 1:41 PM
can we all agree that ND losing to Boise St would justify the BCS's existence? It may not be good for college football, but its comedic value cannot be understated.
go bucks!!!!
- November 27, 2006 1:47 PM
- srudoff said...
It is impossible for Michigan to play Florida in the Rose Bowl. The SEC champ is tied to the Sugar Bowl - if Florida wins Saturday, they MUST play in the Sugar Bowl unless they somehow play in the Championship Game.
If Florida loses, Arkansas goes to the Sugar Bowl. Per these elibility rules, Michigan would NOT be an auto qualifier at #3 because someone from their conference is in the NCG (rule 5). LSU however WOULD be an auto qualifier under rule 6 because they would move up to #4 after Florida loses and their conference would NOT have a participant in the NCS. And as Wisconsin knows, you can't have 3 teams from the same conference in the BCS bowls so both Wisconsin and Florida would be outside looking in.
The only scenario where this doesn't happen is if somehow LSU stays at #5 after a Florida loss, but there's no way current #6 Louisville or current #7 Wisconsin passes them.
So LSU loses to Florida but gets the automatic bid and the Rose Bowl would have to choose between LSU and ND.
- November 27, 2006 2:13 PM
As an ND die hard, I would love to see ND play in a Rose Bowl, just not this year against Michigan. We can save that beat down for next year.
I am interested in seeing a Michigan-LSU matchup. I like when two powerhouses play against teams that rarely play, if ever.
That being said, I do think ND should be in a BCS game, the only team that might not make it that has a legitimate beef is Louisville. Maybe WVU, but they just lost to South Florida at home.
ND is a top 10-12 team as they have proved over the two years. They have beaten everyone they were supposed (minus State) and lost the games they were supposed to.
ND just does not have the talent level of the OSU's, USC's, FLA, LSU's Mich.'s of the world to compete consistently with those teams. However, they are getting there with the past two recruiting classes and in a couple of years, they will be able to compete with and beat those teams. But for now, they are a solid 9 or 10 win team who will pull out the games they should and lose to the top teams. I'm just glad Weis and Co. have been able to this much out of that group.
As far as Quinn being overrated, come on, the guy has been phenomenal over the last two years. He didn't play that bad in the Michigan game, two of his picks were good throws that were drops by his receiver or tipped and picked. The offensive line attempted to have him murdered that game. There isnt a QB in the country that would have played much better against the Michigan D that day with the same O-Line. He will be a solid NFL QB (unless he ends up with Art Shell and Co.)
Just my opinion.
Good luck UM whereever they end up.
- November 27, 2006 3:19 PM
- Yost said...
Damnit, Anon. It's classy posts like yours that make it hard to hate the Irish.
Good luck to the Irish in their bowl, too (as long as it's not the Rose Bowl)
- November 27, 2006 3:29 PM
- Kraut said...
Can OSU fans just please stay away? You never seem to have much of value to add to the conversation.
A rematch of ND-UM is not the same as a rematch of UM-OSU (which some people would like to see an the reality is UM has a fairly strong argument just like the other 1-loss teams out there).
UM lost to OSU by 3. ND lost to UM and USC by 26 and 22 points, respectively. Hmmm, I wonder which matchup would be more appealing? OSU-UM or ND-UM, or even ND-USC? C'mon ...
- November 27, 2006 3:55 PM
I agree that Michigan has little to no chance of playing Florida based on the automatic tie-ins. However, I think that you are reading the rule incorrectly regarding Michigan's automatic bid. They will get an automatic bid according to rule 5 because they are ranked #3.
Rules #5 and #6 are in place to exclude 3 teams from a single conference from getting into the game. Applied to this year, they are saying that if USC and Florida both lose next weekend, UofM and OSU will go to the NC game but Wisconsin will not get an automatic bid despite the fact that they would be #3 in the BCS standings, since an at-large team from the same conference (UofM) qualified for the NC game.
These rules should be interesting to us UofM fans since they implicitly say that the possibility a NC game between members of the same conference was thought of by the BCS powers.
- November 27, 2006 4:09 PM
above should read -
"Rules #5 and #6 are in place to exclude 3 teams from a single conference from getting into BCS games."
- November 27, 2006 4:10 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
Anon 10:41,
well, i'm not sure i agree w/ your definition of "relevant", but i see your point and have to give you credit for consistency.
i think the other bowls still serve a purpose (beyond hours of entertainment). tosu benefited significantly from its performance in last year's fiesta bowl, as did texas the year before in the rose. these other big games certainly provide "peeks" at next year's contenders.
as for the general discussion on rematches, there seems to be a lot of confusion as to the debate. i don't think there's any hypocrosy as the purpose of the bowls are very different now.
since all of the other bowls are for "show" (relevant or not), rematches should generally be avoided as they don't provide the same entertainment level. regardless of the ND-michigan score, they've already played once. a rematch wouldn't be nearly as entertaining as a new game. lsu -m in the rose and nd-ou/nd-fla would be fresh, more entertaining.
the bcs game is different. the purpose is to provide some sort of an excuse of a playoff game, matching up #1-#2 regardless of the entertainment value. they've already had one rematch (fsu-fla). if at the end of the week, should fla lose to ark and usc lose to ucla, would there be much debate that M was #2?
finally, a playoff system would clearly create rematches, just like all playoffs. the big 12, acc, and sec championship games all create the opportunity for a rematch. an ncaa play off would do the same thing.
if we had a playoff, tosu would be the #1 seed, w/ michigan either #2 or #3. a rematch would be a "likely" bet.
same for last year. usc & UT would have been top seeds. tosu and psu would have both been in the playoffs. a rematch amongst tosu/psu/ut would have been a strong probability.
it's a price fans will end up paying if a playoff system ever comes about.
- November 27, 2006 4:45 PM
Mich-ND rematch is not the same as Mich-OSU rematch. The match-ups just don't compare. With Mich-OSU, there are the two best teams in the nation. And sure, Michigan actually has a chance of winning that one, so there should be a good game. Besides, I think that Michigan had a chance in Columbus but made too many mistakes and its players were slipping all over the place.
Notre Dame is not a good team, but USC's win was not as impressive as Michigan's win against ND. Against USC, ND made more mistakes and was just awful. With ND as a bad team with a good record due to a cream puff schedule, it is hardly a threat to Michigan. Why should fans be forced to watch an excellent Michigan team blow out ND again? The second best team in the country deserves better, even if it is ranked #3 and isn't going to the NCG. Even you Buckeye fans can agree with me on that.
- November 27, 2006 4:58 PM
Yost, I agree. ND fans (and ND as a program) are pretty classy. I gained more respect for ND. I still hate them though. For chrissakes, get a real schedule. To take it a step further, get over yourselves and join a damn conference already!
- November 27, 2006 5:04 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
put it this way- why would anyone want to see a m-nd rematch anymore than they would want to see a fla-lsu rematch?
- November 27, 2006 5:05 PM
- srudoff said...
You're probably right on rule 5. Michigan's in regardless of them being an auto-qualify or not. Sucks to be Florida though - could you imagine if The Game was played in October and neither team was undefeated and the loser of The Game goes to a BCS bowl while the winner doesn't???
- November 27, 2006 5:25 PM
If the Wolverines dont get a rematch with OSU, ND doesn't get one with Michigan
- November 27, 2006 6:21 PM
Whats the difference between ND and Michigans schedules??
Top Tier (Top 10)
ND: @USC, vs Mich
Mich: @tOSU, @ ND
Second Tier (Top 20)
ND: @ GTech
Mich: vs Wisconsin
Third Tear
ND: vs PSU, vs UCLA
Mich: @ PSU
Fourth Tier:
ND: @MSU, vs Purdue
Mich: vs MSU, @ Minn, vs Iowa
5th Tier
ND: @Navy @Air Force
Mich: vs Vandy, @ IU
6th Tier:
ND: vs Army, vs Stanford, vs UNC
Mich: vs CMU, vs Ball St, @ NW
Can you explain to me the difference in those schedules?? ND doesn't play any more cupcakes than most BCS conference teams.
I just don't see your logic in saying ND has a terrible schedule, especially in comparison to OSU or Michigan.
The only school I have seen with a tough game week in and week out is USC.
- November 27, 2006 6:22 PM
- The King said...
Srudoff, you're wrong, but not for the reason stated above. You're wrong because according to Rule #5, the #3 team is not an auto qualifier if an at-large team from the same conference is in the title game.
OSU is not an at-large team. They are an auto-qualifier as the winners of the Big Ten.
An example of this situation actually being applicable is the 2002 Rose Bowl, in which Nebraska was an At-Large team playing in the Title Game.
- November 27, 2006 6:25 PM
You're "tiered" idea is flawed.
Sure, you can look at it like that, but why not actually look at the teams played rather than saying, "Oh, these two teams roughly are of equal caliber", when in fact they are not.
ND played exactly three ranked teams all year: USC, UM, and GT. In all honesty, GT shouldn't even be ranked and is only ranked because the pollsters are too lazy to actually do their job. They have GT, who lost to UGA, ahead of UGA? While UGA did lose 4 games they beat #5 Auburn at home, then beat #16 GT.
So, in all reality, that GT team you struggled with and consider 2nd Tier is 9-3 with only one win over a ranked team. I find it hard to group them with a top ten UW team whose only lose is to UM.
While UM's schedule isn't that hard, its more of a fault of some teams being down than UM scheduling three service academies who have not been relevant for 25 years.
UM handily beat most of their opponents while ND had to come back against an average GT team, a horrible MSU team, and a medoicre UCLA team. That, coupled with their blowout loses to the only teams they played anywhere near the Top 15 and it makes ND look really, really bad.
Its not as if ND played a bunch of teams that have been good programs and just happened to be down, as opposed to last year. They played bad programs.
When you don't play in a conference and you don't get consistently good match ups its up to ND to schedule good programs. While its no fault to UM that PSU and Iowa are down, it is NDs fault for scheduling only 4 programs that have been anywhere near top programs in the last 10 or so years: PSU, UM, USC, and GT -- you lost 2 of those and PSU and GT sucked (not your fault, but if you were in a conference other teams would be having good years and ND would be able to be tested).
- November 27, 2006 6:41 PM
- srudoff said...
i definitely was wrong but it was for the reason stated above - he just stated his interpretation a little different than you did but you're both saying the same basic thing.
i don't however think i'm wrong about the #4 being an auto qualifier and thus there's little to no chance that Um will play Florida.
- November 27, 2006 7:02 PM
seriously, the one team out there i'd truly not want to come up against at this point in the season!
good call yost - a mean matchup i'd surely settle in to watch!!!
- November 27, 2006 7:27 PM
oh, and ND is a mid-major!
- November 27, 2006 7:29 PM
- Ungar Kelt said...
"So you want a rematch with OSU, but no rematch with ND? Hypocrites"
Here's the difference, genius: ND got the worst beating they've endured in 40 years at HOME by Michigan. Tosu beat Michigan by 3 points at home. Logic would dictate that on a neutral field, the team that originally was the visitor would probably play better. Therefore, Michigan could potentially beat ND by 110 points and possibly beat Tosu.
- November 27, 2006 8:21 PM
Two of GTech's losses are directly the result of scheduling two good teams in non conference. If Wisconsin did that, they would most likely have three losses also.
Who on Michigan's schedule is an established team who is down this year, other than Iowa? Certainly not IU, NW, Vandy, Ball St., Central Michigan, or Minnesota. The other two PSU and MSU were on both schedules. You could make a case that Stanford and UNC are decent programs who are down right now also, as both have been to major bowls in the last few years.
Is there really a difference between scheduling three service academies versus Ball St., CMU, or Vandy? I don't see it if there is.
I guess my point is, while the schedule isn't loaded with tough teams, it wasn't any weaker than any Big Ten, Big East, Big 12 schedule.
Also, by no means am I saying ND was a great team because they are not. Like I said in a post earlier in this thread, they are one correctly ranked right now in the 10-12 area.
For what its worth, I also believe that Michigan, OSU, and USC are equals and that any of those three could beat the other on a neutral field.
- November 27, 2006 8:22 PM
Notre Dame is guaranteed a BCS berth if they have 9 wins or finish in the top BCS 12 (I think they're no. 10 right now, but I'm too lazy to look.). I think that clause is specifically called the "Notre Dame is special, and you're not" clause. So, while Boise State, credit them, rolls of 12 straight and is hopeful of being a BCS buster on those merits, Notre Dame is assured of one because they fatted their schedule with heavyweights like UNC, Stanford, Army, the Merchant Marines and the Coast Guard Academy. That clause needs to go away, along with Kirk Herbstreit. He can go away too.
I too am very excited at the prospect of a Michigan-LSU game, for all the reasons mentioned in that post. The Miles-Schembechler factor, Michigan just being iconic with Pasadena, Ron English's badass defense, and it just being a change of venue for the Wolverines who has never played that particular SEC team... at least I don't think they have. I admit to being an Buckeye Alum, but every time recently that Herbstreit has been on the air either plugging a Michigan-ND rematch, I have this urge to beat him silly with a tire iron. Who would want to see that? What's there to prove? Did Michigan's spanking of the Irish in South Bend not mean anything? I know anti-ND people like myself will say otherwise, but does America really want to see Michigan beat Notre Dame by 50 in a January bowl game? In the Grandaddy of Them All? Granted, Michigan is going to beat the holy hell out of whatever team they get in Pasadena, but the Irish? I'd rather see Wake Forest against the Irish in the Orange Bowl, that is, if the Irish absolutely have to get a BCS bowl. Notre Dame is more in Wake's league than they are in Michigan's league.
- November 27, 2006 8:27 PM
- Ungar Kelt said...
Does anyone remember the ND pep rally highlights before the ND vs. Michigan game?
They distributed towels, signs, etc., that said "9-3 Isn't Good Enough", inspired by a sign posted by Weis in the ND weight room. Yes, another brilliant move by the coaching "genius"...
What will next year's saying be after ND finished 9-3 again this year? "Let's not go 9-3 for three consecutive years, fellas" - yes, Weis is the master motivator.
- November 27, 2006 9:06 PM
Someone - I too am too lazy to look back and try to find out exactly who compared Vandy to the service academies and wondered why UofM was complaining about ND's USO schedule when UofM had Vandy- well I'm pretty damn sure Vandy would go undefeated against the service academies as well, so that point is moot.
- November 27, 2006 9:07 PM
Thank you M-Zone
Geaux Tigers and hope we get to play y'all in Pasadena.
- November 27, 2006 9:20 PM
Right on!! Just say no to Notre Dame!!
- November 27, 2006 9:25 PM
I think the most disparaging aspect of the whole thing is that the same announcers who are campaigning for a Rose rematch are campaigning against a BCS NC rematch. How can the ABC/ESPN analysts (or rather agenda pushers) reconcile the two, seemingly inapposite, arguments?
I would like to hear Herbstreit's justification for asserting conflicting viewpoints, advocating rather than analyzing, and distinguishing between the two possible rematches.
- November 27, 2006 10:12 PM
whether odds be great or small....ole Notre Dame will stumble and fall!
- November 27, 2006 10:40 PM
Michigan fans have been pleading for a rematch, looks like you might get one in the Rose ! Gotta love those rematches right?
- November 27, 2006 11:12 PM
I love guys. It's great to see most of y'all would like to play LSU. Our teams would match up well and make for a great RB. LSU fans would also be alot more fun for pre and post game activities. Email the RB committee and tell them what you think. They won't listen to LSU fans for course.
- November 27, 2006 11:17 PM
Just a quick note: calling Samardjiza (however you spell it) overrated is kinda like calling Adrian Peterson or Troy Smith overrated. I dislike ND very much, and definitely think that Smardzjgidjahga looks like a bitch, but the guy is an incredible wideout. That is all.
- November 27, 2006 11:32 PM
- MGoBlue93 said...
Looks like the Tournament of Roses is already getting the idea:
However, Saturday's demolition of the Golden Domers by USC certainly took some of the luster off a possible Rose Bowl trip for Notre Dame, which hasn't made an appearance in the Granddaddy of Them All since Knute Rockne and the Four Horsemen won the school's first national championship in 1924. Michigan soundly defeated the Irish, 47-21, in South Bend back in September.
"(Rematches are) something the BCS likes to try to avoid," Rose Bowl chief executive Mitch Dorger told the Los Angeles Times. "We are mindful of that. There are a lot of factors to consider."
Leave it to Buckstache to comapre a U of M / tOSU rematch to a U of M / ND rematch... zeeesh
- November 28, 2006 1:58 AM
Glad to see y'all think Herbstreit is as much an idiot as folks in the South do. I wanted to vomit when he talked about what a great match-up ND and Michigan would be. I also thought how embarrassing Musberger was to the sports broadcasting industry for saying that ND should be in the Rose Bowl because ND was in the 1925 Rose Bowl. What????
Herbstreit agreed, and then both tried to convince viewers that the USC/ND game was really close. It is a sad day when college football is subjected to these idiots calling games.
- November 28, 2006 2:00 AM
I agree with anon 11:00. These announcers spend way too much time trying to sell you on some other match-up in the "ABC Family of Networks."
- November 28, 2006 2:42 AM
Those announcers are morons. I watched the sunday night football game (colts vs. eagles) and there were technical difficulties so you did not hear madden & michaels, you heard the game & the game announcer. That was cool. So, instead of lobbying for not having a ND rematch, I want to lobby for no announcers (ie: Herbie, Davie, Musberger & Speilman- I know he does espn games, but he is a giant idiot).
- November 28, 2006 8:32 AM
Perhaps Herbstreit is hyping a ND-UM rematch because he knows it will do crappy ratings after UM takes a 3 TD lead into the second half of the 1st quarter. The BCS is after all on FOX this year. I think Chad Henne is one of the most underrated players in the country, and beating the Wolverines could propel my Tigers to a pre-season #1 ranking next year. GEAUX TIGERS!!
- November 28, 2006 5:45 PM
Thanks for supporting an LSU-Michigan matchup! This would be the highlight of the year for Tigah fans. To get the chance to go toe-to-toe with a Big 10 powerhouse is exciting! The SEC and Big 10 are the only two conferences in college football and to see them on New Year's Day would be a great way to begin 2007.
Besides, tailgating would be a special treat. Cookin' up Jambalaya, Gumbo and Etouffe for the fans of both teams in Southern California would be something to see. AND our fans will geaux - L.A. meets LA. - The thought just makes me giggle. :-)
Win, lose or draw...GEAUX TIGAHS!!!
- November 28, 2006 9:57 PM
USC Trojan fan here.
I think a MU vs LSwho matchup would be outstanding, especially in light of the fact neither team has ever played each other.
Even if God forbid, USC loses to fUcla, I would think a great match up of USC vs MU better than a rematch with tOSU, would rather see tOSU play Florida, and crush them, maybe that would shut the SEC whiny little pukes up?
Happy Holidays!
Fight on! Beat the bRuins!
- November 29, 2006 5:36 PM
No it would be Ohio-Michigan for the NC and LSU-USC in the Rose.
And that would be a helluva game.
- November 29, 2006 6:42 PM
Thanks for correcting the condum fan...GEAUX BRUINS!!!!
- November 29, 2006 8:55 PM
And yes, I know condom is spelled incorrectly...it was a play on words...should've added a "d" to condumb...OH, guess I just did.
To the Wolverines, wherever you end up - NC or Rose...Good Luck!
- November 29, 2006 8:57 PM
First people believed that ABC was touting a UM-tOSU rematch because they still hosted the BCS.
Then is was brought to their attention that FOX hosts the BCS.
Now some people (such as an anon poster here) are saying ABC is touting bad matchups to lower FOX's ratings, such as a UM-ND rematch.
The Rose Bowl is still on ABC. It has it's own contract apart from the BCS.
- November 30, 2006 12:45 PM
Not even close. As much as I like college football, I'd be happy to boycott the game altogether if ND gets in.
Let's lay it on the line, is it the SEC or the Big 10+2? LSU had one bad game against Florida but that would be a more interesting rematch, but that won't happen. Auburn, the refs got that one. Maybe the refs should play UM. My biased vote is LSU/UM.
- November 30, 2006 3:00 PM


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"After being out of print for WAY too long, this amazing live document finally sees the light of day once more. Or more appropriately maybe, the dark of night. Even more appropriately, the star flecked deep dark night, viewed through the dense canopy above the deep dark swamps of the South. This is 16 Horsepower after all, southern fried, revivalist, back woods countrified gothic stomp. Bleak tales of salvation and damnation. And what better way to experience the fire and fury of 16HP than live, beneath the ol' patched up tent, set up on the side of a road in the middle of nowhere, pouring rain, with mudcaked boots and huddled townsfolk jostling for a chance to be saved, a night of testifyin' for sure, live and sweaty and fearsomely intense, fierce as fuck, but still moody and dark and really, really creepy. Sort of like Deliverance:The Musical or something. Squeezebox, acoustic guitar and drums never sounded so good. Or so menacing. Those of you who know 16HP know exactly what this disc has in store for you. For those of you who have yet to discover the dark joy of 16 Horsepower (now sadly defunct) you just might just find your musical souls saved. Or damned. Either way, a treacherously brilliant musical path lies ahead, numerous 16HP releases all amazing, two Lilium records (2/3 of 16HP), as well as several Woven Hand records (the even MORE Biblically brutal and emotionally menacing post-16HP efforts by mainman David Eugene Edwards).
A handful of covers get the 16HP makeover. John Fogerty, Gun Club, and Joy Division all have their tunes somehow made even darker and more bleak.
Fans of Nick Cave, who were disappointed with his new shinier direction of late, and who still yearn for that misanthropic gloom, might find just what they're looking for with 16 Horsepower. And of course essential for fans of all things dark and swampy, who want their music steeped in fire and brimstone, confusion and misery, death and misery and the long hard road to salvation and the inevitable fall into damnation!"- Aquarius Records
"Live albums are usually a very hit and miss venture. Especially for bands whose talent is created by studio magic, it becomes all too evident when their live albums come out completely and totally flat. Other bands, representing the complete opposite camp, come off pretty flat on record, but stellar in a live setting. Having never heard 16 Horsepower before their live album, Hoarse, I cannot give you a studio reference point, but I can without hesitation tell you, that this is a band that translates quite well into a live setting.
A veritable melting pot of styles, including folk, blues, and rock'n'roll, 16 Horsepower motor through 11 live interpretations with undeniable spirit and vigor. There's just such a rousing feeling gotten from these songs, upbeat and energetic to the fullest. The band's vocalist has an extremely bluesy baritone that cascades up and down with the rhythm of the songs he's singing over. Jagged and forceful, the words seem to take on an added impact just on the basis of how he delivers them. Full of staggering conviction, each song is easily identified not only by the singer's different vocal patterns, but by the variety shown by the band that's backing him.
A lot of blues, a lot of rock'n'roll, and a just a tinge of folk thrown into the mix makes for a listener that really has to stay on his toes. Even live, everything sounds tight, crisp, and loud. The heavy distortion in the more rock-oriented tracks jumps right out at you, while the more sublime blues style evokes a more relaxing feel. The foot-tapping folk/country twang of "Iron Lung" whips up a frenzy of activity from the band, including a little bit of banjo work, while the followup, "Horse Head" uses some extremely well-placed strings to make for a far more emotional atmosphere. Different still, is a more traditional rock'n'roll song like "Brimstone Rock." Even then though, there's added elements to give the songs' quieter sections an old western feel. This is a band never content to sticking to one song and style, and no matter their direction, everything gets pulled together in an almost masterful manner.
Not ones to let their wide range of sounds and influences come into any sort of question, the band also includes three covers, giving each of them a fair bit of attention and interpretation, so as to make the song their own. This includes a much more soulful rendition of John Fogerty's "Bad Moon Rising," a bit heavier a version of Joy Division's "Day of the Lords," and the Gun Club's "Fire Spirit," which doesn't sound as different from the original as the two aforementioned tracks. The first two, however, are a testament to how unique and how talented this band really is.
The vocalist is the star of the show, with a unique and earnest sound that can change on a moment's notice, but there's sure as hell no slouches accompanying him on the record. This is about as "hit" as a live album can possibly be, fluid and well done across the board."- Punknews.org


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Edo Tensei Nidaime Mizukage (S) has been resurrected against his will to do battle. He does not want to hurt anyone but he is interested in the potential of the new generation. He will test their limits with his own skill.Requirement to unlock: Mission: Whispy Whiskers
Steam Imp
Edo Tensei Nidaime Mizukage (S) uses Steam Imp on all enemies dealing 10 affliction damage. Edo Tensei Nidaime Mizukage (S) and his allies will ignore stun effects for 1 turn when this skill is used.
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Edo Tensei Nidaime Mizukage (S) summons a giant clam gaining 80 destructible damage for 3 turns. Hozuki Water Gun deals an additional 5 damage during this skill. This skill becomes Mirage Illusion for 5 turns when this skill is used.
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The Tampa Bay Rays announced Monday that third baseman Evan Longoria agreed to a six-year, $100 million contract extension.
Longoria was already under contract through 2016, so the new deal keeps him in Tampa through 2022. The Rays also have an option for 2023.
"We drafted Evan in 2006 with the belief that he and the organization would grow with each other and together accomplish great things," Rays principal owner Stuart Sternberg said in a statement. "That is why the Rays and Evan signed a long-term contract in 2008, and it is why we are extending our commitments today. Evan has clearly become a cornerstone player and a fixture in our organization. We are proud of what we have accomplished these past seven years, and I expect the best is yet to come."
Longoria, 27, is a three-time All-Star and has two Gold Gloves. He was limited to 74 games last season because of a partially torn hamstring. He hit .289 with 17 home runs and 55 RBI.
He is expected to be 100 percent when spring training begins after having surgery on the hamstring last week.
AL Cy Young Award winner David Price congratulated his teammate via Twitter: "wow @Evan3Longoria we breaking bread over here my brotha...lol happy to see you get paid...I'm sure it feels great!!!" Price wrote.


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A recent article reported that North Carolina ranks 35th in child well-being and that one in four children in the state is living in poverty. These numbers are echoed in Henderson County, as the 2010 U.S. Census data count one in four children living in poverty locally.
A recent article reported that North Carolina ranks 35th in child well-being and that one in four children in the state is living in poverty. These numbers are echoed in Henderson County, as the 2010 U.S. Census data count one in four children living in poverty locally.
During the 2012-2013 school year, 55.5 percent of the students enrolled in grades K-12 in Henderson County Public Schools were participating in the free and reduced-cost lunch program.
The published report also found that one in three children lived in households with adults lacking full-time employment. As unemployment benefits are cut and the earned income tax credit is set to expire next year, communities will be called upon to take care of the vulnerable children and families.
We know that poverty can have a devastating impact on a child's life. These children are twice as likely to be in special education classes, 30 percent more likely to never go to college, and 70 percent more likely to be arrested for a violent crime, become a teen parent, drop out of school, and never hold a job.
According to a highly regarded framework put forth by America's Promise, one of the best ways to alleviate the impact poverty can have on children's lives is to ensure that they have caring adults, safe places, a healthy start, an effective education, and opportunities to serve in their life.
Children who enjoy the cumulative and sustained effect of these five promises are far more likely to be academically successful, civically engaged and socially competent, regardless of their family income.
Parents are the first and most important providers of these developmental resources, but they are far from the only ones. Other adults, schools, businesses, governments and communities all have key roles to play.
If we make and deliver on these promises to the children of Henderson County, we will create a community where each new generation can thrive.
We are already doing so much "right" to make this a wonderful place to raise a family. We are a community that can come together and identify where we might be falling short and generate solutions to help those children who may be lacking one or more of these promises in their lives.
Join us in making a promise to the youths of Henderson County that we will make sure they have these resources. Become a Promise Partner and help us build on our assets to guarantee that Henderson County is not only competitive economically and a great place to do business, but also a desirable place to live and raise a child.
Visit www.5promiseshc.org and learn how you can make a difference in a child's life.
The United Agenda for Children is engaging business leaders, civic leaders and citizens to create and implement a shared vision and set of actions that will guarantee that all children are safe, healthy and well educated. For more information, contact the Children & Family Resource Center at 828-698-0674 or visit us at 851 Case St. in Hendersonville.
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Arch Coal will contribute reclaimed land, rail switching and loop and other existing infrastructure assets at its Black Thunder mining complex in Campbell County, Wyo. Meritage will contribute capital and will build and operate the crude oil terminal on property east of Arch's active operations and located near the basin's crude oil production activity. Meritage will own the majority interest in Black Thunder Terminal, LLC.
Because much of the required rail infrastructure is already in place, early stage crude oil transloading operations from inbound trucks to outbound trains are expected to begin at Black Thunder as early as September 2013. As demand from producers and refiners warrants, the Black Thunder Terminal will have the ability to increase outbound shipping capacity from 10,000 barrels per day in the initial phase to 120,000 barrels of crude oil per day via outbound unit train. Significant acreage is available for further expansions. The terminal will be served by BNSF.
"This is an exciting day for both companies, as well as the Powder River Basin. With an ideal land position and significant infrastructure already in place at its Black Thunder mine, Arch is the perfect partner for Meritage on this project," said Meritage Chairman and CEO Steve Huckaby. "We're excited this joint venture will provide crude oil producers in the Powder River Basin with the optionality they need to bring their products to multiple markets. This is a natural, common-sense and forward-thinking partnership that will produce a positive outcome for both companies and its customers and investors – as well as the region and the country."
"We're pleased to welcome Meritage Midstream to the Black Thunder mining complex. This joint venture will allow us to further optimize our assets and unlock the value of our existing infrastructure without any impact to our coal loading operations," said Paul Lang, executive vice president and COO of Arch Coal. "This joint venture is a great fit for Arch. Our Black Thunder complex is ideally situated in the PRB, the required infrastructure and logistics are in place and we already have a strong working relationship with the Meritage team."
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First-time visitors to Covenant Presbyterian Church in Hendersonville often comment on the beauty of the church's two stained glass windows.
And once they learn of the years of painstaking work it took to save and restore the windows, those same visitors are grateful to the members of the church who worked so hard to preserve them.
"We all came away from this thinking it was providential that we had these windows," said Bob Justus, a member of the church who served on a committee that saved the windows.
The church committee began trying to save the windows in the 1980s after some former members of First Presbyterian Church in Hendersonville came together to form Covenant.
While they were planning the new church, Justus and the others learned that some stained glass windows that were part of the First Presbyterian Church building demolished in the 1960s had been stored in a local woman's corn crib.
The woman, who was a member of a family that owned a hardware store across the street from First Presbyterian, saved the windows and stored them on her property. When Justus and others from Covenant began work on their new church, they decided to check out the windows.
"We looked at the windows and decided we would have to have them if she would turn them loose," he said. "It gave our building program a big boost when we found those."
It was important to many members of the newly formed Covenant church to have the windows that were once part of First Presbyterian because so many of them were longtime members of First Presbyterian, Justus said.
Covenant Presbyterian now has about 250 members.
After the owner agreed to let Covenant Presbyterian have the windows, the new church building was designed with the stained glass windows in mind, said Paula Dillman, who served on the church committee with Justus.
"We planned the building around the windows," she said.
The restoration of the windows began with Justus, Dillman and the others on their committee attempting to solve what amounted to a large jigsaw puzzle.
The committee members photographed the sections of stained glass as they removed them from the corn crib. They then cut the photographs to make a puzzle piece of each section of stained glass. The committee members then used what they knew about how the windows should look once they were put together to complete the puzzle.
Once their puzzle was finished, the committee found they had enough pieces of stained glass to make two complete windows and half of a third.
When Justus, Dillman and the others pulled the stained glass from the corn crib, they also found inscriptions on two of the windows showing they were dedicated to Joseph Noterman and Clara Heer.
But no one knew who those two people were or why the windows were dedicated in their names.
"A lady on the committee attempted to track back and find who those people were, but she hit a dead end," Justus said.
The window pieces, which contained rare shades of red and blue not often found in stained glass, went through a lengthy restoration.
Two different restoration businesses worked on the windows, with one of those changing ownership in the middle of the restoration. Pieces from the incomplete third window were used to restore the other two windows. But the names on the windows were lost during the restoration when the second business changed hands.
"When we got the windows back and asked about the memorial plates, he said, 'I have no idea,' " Justus said.
The eventually learned that Joseph Noterman and Clara Heer came from a family that once lived and worked in Hendersonville.
That information came a few years ago, after Columbia, S.C., resident Emily Wheeler contacted the church about her relatives, who were named on the windows. Wheeler also recently visited Hendersonville to share photographs of the Wheeler family, who ran a hotel off North Main Street, and of the Noterman family, who lived across the street from the hotel. The two families came together after a Wheeler son married a Noterman daughter. Clara Heer and Joseph Noterman were part of those families.
Some of Wheeler's photographs will likely be displayed at Henderson County's Heritage Museum and public library this fall.
One of her photographs shows the stained glass windows with the two names on them in the old First Presbyterian Church.
"Emily Wheeler has been a world of help," Justus said.
Despite the loss of the names, the windows became the colorful centerpiece of Covenant's sanctuary, once they were restored and finally placed in the church off Kanuga Road in the early 1990s.
Dillman said she often hears the word "Wow" from visitors who walk into the sanctuary for the first time and are awestruck by the windows.
Dillman left Covenant for a while and said she had a similar reaction when she returned.
"I almost cried," she said. "My eyes fill with tears now when I think of all that went into them."
Justus, too, said he often reflects on the work he and others spent saving the windows.
"I just look at them and how pretty they are and think how providential we have been," he said.
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