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Saturday, December 02, 2006
And now...we wait
In any event, as usual, the BCS title game will come down to...shit that has nothing to do with football.
You could make a strong case for either Florida or Michigan to play OSU in Glendale. Unfortunately, I think Michigan is really being hurt by having finished their season two weeks ago. Out of mind, out of sight sort of thing.
So, we must wait until tomorrow to find out our fate. I have a feeling, just as the lobbying hurt us in '97, we may come out on the short side of things again. What do folks think?
UPDATE: Lloyd will be on SportsCenter following the WVU/Rutgers game.
93 comments:
I think we're fucked unfortunately. CBS is such a joke. They were completely lobbying for the SEC. Fuck them.
- December 02, 2006 10:02 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
the next 24 hrs will be like the '60 election in chicago. SEC AD's will be on the phone diggin up dead coaches to vote.
scott frost will appear in a gator jersey & tearfully ask "who'd you rather play?"
i don't fault those who think FLA is better. i do question those who will job their vote (vote us lower than 3rd/vote FLA #1/etc) to boost/manipulate the system.
tosu will beat FLA by 3 tds- at least. we can all go ask danielson what his chart says then.
- December 02, 2006 10:03 PM
That was crazy...
Danielson should be fired - again.
- December 02, 2006 10:03 PM
- Wired said...
I am going out on a limb here by saying that Gary Danielson just might be in favor of giving the nod to Florida. My God...what the fuck was that?
- December 02, 2006 10:06 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
not everyone is getting paid by CBSec
- December 02, 2006 10:07 PM
CBS is horrible and Danielson was completely sucking off the SEC on air, there was slurping noises and everything!! Yost you need to post something abouit his UM vs. Fl schedule comparison. He gave Florida an edge pitting W. Carolina vs. Ball State. Isn't W. Carolina I-AA?
- December 02, 2006 10:09 PM
But wait a munute...Michigan didn't even win their own conference. How can they have a gripe to play for a national title as a "runner-up" in their own conference, a conference which had a very sub-par season.
- December 02, 2006 10:09 PM
we are totally fucked, no doubt AND I have tickets to the NC game.
What is the point of that god?
- December 02, 2006 10:09 PM
I think Danielson is puking Meier's cum right now
- December 02, 2006 10:10 PM
Wow, tough call either way.
Michigan is a better team, but did FLA play a significantly tougher schedule? Well, the key problem is no one knows how good WIS is, but MICH will get credit for beating, in all likelihood, the #6 or #7 team in the BCS. Notre Dame was exposed in LA, hurting Michigan there.
FLA finally won a game by ten points, and did beat LSU and TEN (when it still mattered).
Tough call, I say Michigan, very narrowly. Enjoy ND in N'Orleans, Gators
- December 02, 2006 10:14 PM
I'm just sayin' ...
After listening to Danielson spurt all over the f'n SEC ... I don't EVER want to read any more bitchin' about Herbstreit on this site.
- December 02, 2006 10:14 PM
- Andy said...
Gary Danielson has now moved WAY up on my list.
I couldn't stand him when he did Big10 games on ESPN - but tonight was unreal.
- December 02, 2006 10:16 PM
anon 7:09,
If Michigan is considered the number two team in the country, then despite losing their conference, the current system warrants their inclusion.
I do think Florida should play OSU in Glendale, but I am upset about Danielson's comparisons.
LSU vs Wisconsin, edge Florida
Kentucky vs Minnesota, edge Florida
W. Carolina vs Ball State, edge or push?
Very subjective and arguably ignorant. Florida has played a bitching schedule but Michigan comes in at number 3 in strength of schedule with a near comprable opponent win %. So props to Florida, and I'll give them a slight edge in this regard, but it is not the reason I'd put them number two.
I am curious in seeing how votes change. I'd have no problem with people voting Florida 2 and Michigan 3, even if Michigan was 2 the prior week and not doing anything to warrant being voted down. What I am interested to see is if people vote Michigan 4, 5, or even 6 so they receive less points. I suspect this will happen.
- December 02, 2006 10:18 PM
This is where LSU's win over Arkansas last week might wind up helping Michigan.
If Florida beats a one-loss Arkansas, it might be no-contest, Gators play the Buckeyes. That LSU victory might subtract enough BCS points from Florida to move Michigan to #2.
- December 02, 2006 10:19 PM
In my honest opinion, I think fo$u would completely destroy Florida. I think Michigan would handle them well too. Other than UM, USC (even though they choked it big time today) is/was the only team that can beat o$u. I think UM has the best shot at beating the Buckeyes. If Flordia gets in over UM, this will be the most boring title game in 10 years (unless of course Florida would pull a miracle out their asses and beat o$u). Down with the BCS!
- December 02, 2006 10:24 PM
Kids, let's remember -- Michigan lost to Ohio State. You got your shot. Don't be greedy, and let someone else try for a change.
- December 02, 2006 10:31 PM
Perhaps Florida and Michigan fans can do the right thing (no matter who they feel is a better team) and unlike Danielson call the entire schedule a push. They can then argue that the BCS is severely flawed, and support a playoff, or accept that the national championship is a MYTHICAL NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP and the best thing about the bowls is creating compelling matchups and a good fan exeperience that a playoff wouldn't capture because only the most wealthy fans could travel to more than 1 game.
- December 02, 2006 10:33 PM
Michigan already played OSU and LOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You had your chance and blew it.
- December 02, 2006 10:39 PM
Put us on a netural field with Florida and we'll beat them 8 out of 10. O wait we cant caust that would be a playoff and those are forebidden in cfb. My bad
- December 02, 2006 10:40 PM
Good luck tomorrow weasels. I did my part and rooted for UCLA. Now it's up to the idiot humans and the cold computers. Let's hope you make it.
Go Bucks!
- December 02, 2006 10:42 PM
- Benny Friedman said...
This is the worst thing about college football and the worst thing about sports. How a major championship is decided by politics and grandstanding in this day and age is beyond me. It totally turns me off to college football. I love the game on the field, but all this bowl/championship bullshit makes me want to puke.
- December 02, 2006 10:43 PM
Go Blue
- December 02, 2006 10:45 PM
Logician Anon Blogger person says:
I would think the computers oddly help us here. Most of the computers have had Michigan ahead of Florida all season. The raw calculations (unless there's too much Billingsley logic in there) should keep us ahead in the computer polls. The Harris Poll is too new to gauge, whereas had the AP remained in the BCS it would have helped us. The coaches poll I think tanks us because coaches will bolt for Florida in a title game and vote Fulmer-like to rig it.
- December 02, 2006 10:46 PM
Gary Danielson needs a new pair of Florida kneepads, as he wore out the pair he had on tonight....
Cocksucking at its finest!
- December 02, 2006 10:47 PM
Fat Fulmer's Wonderlic test.
Which is the easiest of the following
a) Vote Michigan no 2
b) Vote Florida no 2
c) Eat a Sandwich
- December 02, 2006 10:47 PM
It was disgusting how biased CBS was in favor of Florida. They wouldn't STFU about that pass interference call that was actually correct. Even if it wasn't correct, it was not right how they went on and on about how they disagreed with the call and said that it gave Arkansas an unfair advantage.
Florida never jumped in the polls. The issue never came up. But now that they have finished as a 1 loss team, now people are going to be up in arms. What bullshit! If USC had won, then USC would surely have retained its #2 spot and you can bet your sweet ass that Floriday would have remained #4.
- December 02, 2006 10:58 PM
Think about this... if we don't get to go to Glendale, we'll be playing USC in Pasadena. THAT would be a great game. I hate even thinking that we'd be left out, but what if we beat the crap put of USC, and then tOSU kills FL? Man, that would be great for the B10.
- December 02, 2006 11:00 PM
- Andy said...
I wonder what would be doing right now if Michigan had won in Columbus ?
There would be no question about a rematch. Ohio State would be getting the nod with one loss.
Why is this any different ?
This system is horrible.
- December 02, 2006 11:00 PM
Anon 7:14,
I actually like Herbstreit after listening to 3 hours of that cocksucker Danielseon.
Besides, I bet Herbstreit would be lobbying for us. He has been easy on us for losing by 3 pts in a game we could have won.
- December 02, 2006 11:01 PM
Michigan can beat OSU on a nuetral field. Florida doesn't have a chance... extremely undisciplined and sloppy football played today on both sides of the Florida/Ark game.
Controvery breeds interest... the ratings should be good no matter who gets picked #2. At least for the first quarter until OSU starts blowing out Florida.
It's gonna be Florida vs. OSU. OSU is gonna cream 'em. The BCS will be fully exposed as a joke (as if it isn't already).
Michigan will play USC in the Rose Bowl. Then we'll see who should really have been #2.
- December 02, 2006 11:03 PM
West Fuckin Virginia... great job camera crew
- December 02, 2006 11:03 PM
ROse Bowl - LSU vs USC?
Onepeat.com folks will probably have their answer on JAn 1 ??
- December 02, 2006 11:06 PM
You never could have won that game. You needed 8 points in the final minutes to lose by 3. Don't kid yourself, you just plain lost.
And I disagree that the 2 week period hurt UM in the mind of the voters. I think if OSU beat UM today instead of 2 weeks ago the voters would be even more likely to punish UM in the polls and more likely to vote Florida #2.
- December 02, 2006 11:07 PM
- TitleIX said...
check out ESPN.com's completely non-scientific poll....
with over 100,000 votes in 58% pick Michigan over FLA.
All the SEC states are going Florida's way.
Could this be a replay of the 2000 Presidential Election???
It all comes down to the decision re: Florida?????
- December 02, 2006 11:09 PM
- TitleIX said...
check out this weirdness....
Florida has a 'pronunciation guide' on their football roster home page!
- December 02, 2006 11:13 PM
FYI, the two states with the most votes cast in the ESPN poll are Ohio and Michigan.
- December 02, 2006 11:15 PM
Kids, let's remember -- Michigan lost to Ohio State. You got your shot. Don't be greedy, and let someone else try for a change.
See, this is my biggest pet peeve this year. The BCS is not who already had a chance and if they should get another one. It is suppose to put the two best teams in the country on the same field to determine the NC. Now, if Florida is truly the #2 best team in the country, then I'm all for them going to Glendale. In fact, I wouldn't mind that as much as I would have if USC would have gone. But don't tell me this "Michigan had its shot" crap. Yes, Mich-tOSU have already played. And still people say Michigan is the second best team in the country. Is it the Big 10's fault that the two best teams are in the same conference this year?
I get the feelings from tOSU fans and to be honest if the we had won I would feel the same way, but if the Buckeyes are so damn good, then they'll just win again come Jan. 8.
And concerning Danielson, he could give lessons on how to give a great blowjob. He'd make a lot of money.
- December 02, 2006 11:23 PM
This just in ... Michael Hart says UCLA's defense was "nothing special"
Go Bucks
- December 02, 2006 11:24 PM
Goat462, UM-USC would be a good game at first glance. But considering they struggled against crappy Pac-10 teams and lost to two unranked teams, I don't know how much of a game it would be. We're not ND.
- December 02, 2006 11:26 PM
anon 8:24
Reporter: Mike, why was it you were able to run so easily on their defense? (yes, this was the question asked!)
Following a tough loss where he played his guts out, and following the loss of Bo (which no player had time to take in), his post-game comments were not whiny. Given the context, I call it a push.
- December 02, 2006 11:34 PM
ahhhh, rutgers just lost, no bcs for them. although i think they should coming off a 1-11 season. what a turnaround.
- December 02, 2006 11:40 PM
Try to imagine our guys saying this ...
Reporter: Coach Tressel, you seem to have Lloyd Carr's number, how do you keep piling up wins?
JT: Lloyd is nothing special.
Reporter: Troy Smith, this is your 3rd straight win over Michigan where you've accounted for over 300 yards of offense. How do you keep putting up such huge numbers?
Troy: Michigan's defense is nothing special.
Reporter: Tony Pittman, Mike Hart has been hyped for Heisman and Michigan's defense is #1 against the run. How did you gain almost as many yards as Hart when you aren't getting as many touches?
Pittman: Michigan's defense is nothing special.
Reporter: OSU Fans, how were you able to make so much crowd noise when Michigan fans can't seem to do the same, even though they pack in almost 6,000 more fans into their stadium than you?
Fans: We scream and clap instead of shaking keys.
... Hmm, would that sound like something that wouldn't drive UM fans crazy? No need to rebut, I just wanted to needle you guys some more.
See ya in Glendale ... maybe.
- December 02, 2006 11:54 PM
- Kraut said...
I'm listening to Lloyd Carr right now on ESPN ... I like that he's reamining quite neutral. He's not even lobbying. The only thing he said with any potential bias is that he hoped Michigan wasn't penalized for not having played the last two weeks ...
Urban Meyer, on the other hand, was a bit more biased. Anyone disagree with me? "You'd think a conference champion would have the chance to go play for the National Championship ..."
- December 02, 2006 11:56 PM
I'm listening to Lloyd Carr on ESPN, too. I like that he's remaining a vag.
Call me when he grows a backbone.
- December 03, 2006 12:00 AM
- MGoBlue93 said...
The only thing I've found biased so far about Urban Meyer on SportsCenter is his claim that that game was one of the best in football this year. What? That was a sloppy piece of crap game... UF's offense is so sketchy, their starting QB doesn't run goaline plays.
In was a bit shocked by the telephone interviews... I thought Urban Meyer would be crying his eyes out. The most biased things he said was conference champs should play for the championship. While that isn't the mission of the BCS, that's about as 'extreme' as Urban got.
- December 03, 2006 12:10 AM
It's pretty obvious that Ohio State and most of their fan base want nothing to do with Michigan in a rematch.
They are smart. They act confident, but they know that they needed to pull an offensive rabbit out of their hat in Columbus. That game was a total aberration. What will they bring out in Glendale. The Pistol formation? Ted Ginn/Wildcat formation? Wishbone?
Tressel will probably drop Big Blue out of his top 25 poll completely. What a shame. OSU will roll over Florida...
- December 03, 2006 12:13 AM
- IC said...
Re. Danielson: I've liked him since I was a kid cheering him when he quarterbacked the Lions and I feel he has been a pretty good analyst.
Tonight, however, he was awful. It's not that he said that Florida should go to the championship game--though I disagree, reasonable people can believe the Gators deserve the slot. Rather, it was Danielson's seemingly endless slobbering over Fla. that would have been embarassing if it wasn't so annoying.
Two things really stood out: 1) His ridiculous schedule matchup, taht actually noted Div. I-AA Western Carolina as better than Ball St. and 2) His insistence that "style points" don't matter. True, beating a team 63-10 instead of 42-10 because you keep your first string offense in late into the game and pass until the end constitutes bullshit "style points."
But Gary confuses style points with substance points. Sturggling as Fla. did to beat such monsters as South Carolnia, Florida State, Tennessee, Georgia, and Vanderbilt (almost half their goddamn schedule!) mean something. Yes, the Gators won those games and for that they deserve repsect, credit, and a trip to the Sugar Bowl.
Re. tOSU's view of this: ESPN just showed how Ohio is one of only two or three states outside the SEC that supports Florida's inclusion. I think it would be the same way if Michigan had won in Columbus two weeks ago. A rematch of a close game favors the team that lost and tOSU fans know--as we would--that their team's archrival is a more dangerous team than Florida.
Interesting to hear Tressel weasel-talk about how tough it will be to decide for whom to vote. Are the coaches' votes made public? If so, this will be extremeley interesting.
Finally, to Mattathias, you have the sharpest line of the night:
"If USC had won, then USC would surely have retained its #2 spot and you can bet your sweet ass that Floriday would have remained #4."
- December 03, 2006 12:14 AM
Where were all these Gator lovers at before USC lost?
Jeez, ESPN is just as bad as CBS...
- December 03, 2006 12:15 AM
"... Hmm, would that sound like
something that wouldn't drive UM fans crazy? No need to rebut, I just wanted to needle you guys some more"
Hey Buck, maybe when we play on a proper field we wil show who is special and who is not. THat right, how about that, is that needle engouh for you. Punk ass bitches still feel the need to prove that victory to us.
Only goes to show how insecure you guys are.
- December 03, 2006 12:20 AM
Let's face it. We could not beat Ohio State playing a perfect game while they handed us 3 turnovers. We most likely get crushed in a rematch where they don't hand us the ball over and over. Florida deserves their shot, we had ours and couldn't get it done even with ohio states help.
- December 03, 2006 12:20 AM
So if we win then what? another split title? and if they beat us again, like they most likely will, then it is double the humiliation while the rest of the country laughs at us for demanding rematch and failing once again to the sweatervest.
- December 03, 2006 12:22 AM
- Yost said...
Let's face it, that last post was not written by a Michigan fan.
- December 03, 2006 12:23 AM
Yeah, and I'm sure you are a Michigan fan...
- December 03, 2006 12:23 AM
My problem with Florida is that they are in the SEC. I keep hearing the conference is great, but how can you tell if it is any good? Their non-conference schedules were weak.
Florida played Southern Miss, Central Florida, Western Carolina and Florida State. In their defense, they didn't know FSU would suck.
LSU played Louisiana-Lafayette, Arizona, Tulane and Fresno State.
Arkansas played USC, Utah State, SE Missouri State and Louisiana-Monroe. They were torched by USC.
Auburn played Washington State, Buffalo, Tulane and Arkansas State.
So out of the top 4 teams in the SEC, they played 1 ranked non-conference team, and that team got smoked. There is just no way to judge the quality of that conference relative to the other conferences.
How good is the SEC? Who knows?
- December 03, 2006 12:26 AM
My problem with Florida is that they are in the SEC. I keep hearing the conference is great, but how can you tell if it is any good? Their non-conference schedules were weak.
Florida played Southern Miss, Central Florida, Western Carolina and Florida State. In their defense, they didn't know FSU would suck.
LSU played Louisiana-Lafayette, Arizona, Tulane and Fresno State.
Arkansas played USC, Utah State, SE Missouri State and Louisiana-Monroe. They were torched by USC.
Auburn played Washington State, Buffalo, Tulane and Arkansas State.
So out of the top 4 teams in the SEC, they played 1 ranked non-conference team, and that team got smoked. There is just no way to judge the quality of that conference relative to the other conferences.
How good is the SEC? Who knows?
- December 03, 2006 12:27 AM
I posted a video of the Lloyd Carr and Urban Meyer interviews from Sportscenter on my blog. As usual, Lloyd was very classy in stating his case for Michigan.
- December 03, 2006 12:41 AM
Fowler just said on ESPN that Vegas has Michigan favored by 6 if they played Florida in a neutral field. Vegas knows all!!!
- December 03, 2006 12:44 AM
i don't know...actually, i'm enjoying the uncertainty of the whole thing right now. this is the first year that i can honestly say i'm enjoying the bcs. normally i dislike how it fucks with tradition but since it appears that the worst case scenario is a classic michigan-southern california rose bowl on january 1st, i'm feeling rather chipper about the whole deal.
on the one hand, i'd love a rematch with ohio state and one more chance of spoiling troy smith's perfection in big games. i think it'd be a great game and a hell of a way to finish the season if the wolverines won. of course, if ohio state wins then we'll never hear the end of how carr messed up a great season by losing two straight games to the buckeyes. and, like "duh, tressel & troy smith own michigan"...just the thought of that already makes we want to vomit.
and on the other hand, i'd love to get a shot at the trojans since it's not like we don't have a few scores to settle with them. before today i was annoyed that we weren't going to get a crack at one of the good teams in a bowl game (i.e., either ohio state or southern california). now it looking like we'll get one or the other...although i believe that there is still the slim possibility that the rose bowl could actually choose a different opponent for usc since michigan is technically an at large bid.
either way, it'll be fun to see what happens
- December 03, 2006 12:46 AM
- Wired said...
totally politics as BF said.
Any voter knows that tOSU and UM are clearly the best two teams. FLA and ARK looked like a goddamned video game. It really is a shame that this system is designed to make money and screw programs that are deserving for a shot at the NC. It is our turn to get screwed, and while we did have our shot at tOSU (at Cbus), I just feel that comparing losses, which is all you can really do, UM should go to Glendale.
- December 03, 2006 12:54 AM
How can you be fucked? You are going to the Rose Bowl to play USC. Isn't that the goal of every Big Ten player and coach?
Look, if there was another unbeaten team, other than Boise State, Michigan would still be the same team and just as good (ie the second best team in the country.) But, no one would be bitching.
The money is the same. I said it before. The best you could hope for is a season split with OSU and forever listening to them claim themselves co-NC.
Michigan vs USC in the Rose Bowl. Just as Bo would have had it. Consider this a tribute to the coach.
- December 03, 2006 12:54 AM
Sean, thanks for your link. I didn't know your site existed. I'm interested.
Now I'm completely okay with Michigan going to the NCG over FLA, as if I wasn't before. I am tired of that whiney little bitch Urban Creyer shooting his mouth off about his team. If Michigan goes, then I will love to see that poor sport raise a shit fit. It's not just pathetic; it's downright unprofessional. It's chutzpah in its purest form.
In the middle of writing this, I heard on ESPN that UF's president was saying that if FLA doesn't go to the NCG, the BCS system should be scrapped. "The players should be packing their bags for Glendale right now." How about Mich gets the nod for the NCG, and FLA can go join DI-AA if it's so upset. Fuck them.
- December 03, 2006 1:00 AM
Florida better be in the BCS Championship. If you don't win your conference, then you don't belong in the Championship. Both OSU and Mich scheduled that game late to have one of the teams to go. Florida had the toughest schedule and won their Conference.
- December 03, 2006 1:06 AM
Why are my posts getting deleted? Are only pro-rematch Michigan fans allowed to post here? If so why don't you put a notice on the front of your site to not bother posting unless you are for the rematch, otherwise your post will be deleted.
- December 03, 2006 1:21 AM
- Kraut said...
Will people please get off the "...won their conferece so deserve to go thing ..."
Like it freakin' matters. The point is to get the two best teams into the title game. It doesn't matter if they're in the same conference or not. The two best teams should play and if that's Florida vs OSU then so be it. But one can argue equally for UM vs OSU...
I'm hoping it's Michigan, but would understand either way ...
- December 03, 2006 1:23 AM
Define irony. Florida wins the national title in '96 in a REMATCH with a Florida State team that had already beat them at the end of the season.
Oklahoma plays in the national championship after losing in the Big 12 championship game to Kansas State, 38-7.
...and the list goes on. This situation is obviously not a first. Michigan of '06 should not be penalized b/c of Auburn of 2004.
Of all the sudden Gator bandwagoneers on TV, not a single one would have ranked Florida ahead of Michigan if USC had won.
How a team that ends "their" season ranked #2 can be suddenly leap-froged by not one, but two teams is mind-boggling to me.
Finally, I hope the Buckeyes' opponent is not determined by voter fraud. Let the chips fall where they may. Either vote Michigan #2 or Florida #2. It would truly be unjust if teams have to doctor their ballots by dropping Michigan out of the top 10/25 to create a matchup.
- December 03, 2006 1:24 AM
- Yost said...
Your stuff's getting deleted b/c you're being a dick now. You've said the same thing over and over. Your point's been made. If you want to state your anti-Michigan stuff 50 times, go start your own blog.
Hope that answers your question.
- December 03, 2006 1:26 AM
Can someone post a transcript or a YouTube of the Danielson slurp job? I was on the 110 freeway on the way home from USC's latest embarassment.
I did catch the Sportscenter interviews of Carr and Meyer. Carr sounded like he was confused and Meyer seemed like he was full of shit.
- December 03, 2006 1:33 AM
- Unky Rob said...
I've always said, i wouldn't mind going to Rose Bowl after losing to OSU on the 18th. In fact, the prospect of playing LSU in the Rose Bowl really had me psyched. But now, between the choice of us or Florida I'm really getting agitated. Between the terrible QB play, horrible kickers, Danielson, Urban Meyer, Florida's President, ESPN announcers, and the prospect of people placing UM behind FLA despite believing that the Wolverines are the better team, I'm about ready to vomit.
We did have a common opponent, yes, Vanderbilt. We won by 20. They won by 6. They're touting beating Georgia in a down year for them, FSU and a really down year for them, Kentucky (the team not coached by Tubby Smith), and Alabama who just fired their coach. Are any of those teams significantly better than PSU, Iowa, Minn, or even, yes even, MAC Champ CMU??
God, I can't believe I'm typing all of this. Aagh, we did USC lose. It just makes it hurt even more.
Go blue.
- December 03, 2006 1:52 AM
- Beban said...
A few thoughts:
1) We beat Southern Cal...FUCK YOU
2) SC cheerleader celebrates UCLA score...check out Bruins Nation
3) 2,475 fans showed up for the USC basketball game...Hilarious.
4) Mark Sanchez is a rapist.
- December 03, 2006 2:23 AM
Oh, the past 9 days have been such a cruel prank. Watching everything fall perfectly into place...just one more piece to go...the Hogs are leading!...then...Fish!!! NOOOOOO!!!
Then watching almost everyone on TV jump on Florida's bandwagon
...and I had forgotten about Meyer's comment "I would not recognize Michigan as the National Champion..." That FUCK STICK!!!!
Florida got a REMATCH 1996!!!!!!
This is all jut so cruel.
- December 03, 2006 2:42 AM
Sorry, surely the commentatorsof the game exaggerated a little, but with one sentence they were definetely right,"Style-Points should NOT decide a National Championship,Championships SHOULD"...and for that,Florida should be in by winning the SEC Championship.
If you ask me (seeing it from far away,because I am from Germany),the BCS System is rediculous!
I would vote for a playoff-system in which each of the conference winners and the best non-conference team would play.The team from the strongest conference plays the winner from the weakest conference in the first round and so on.
You would then only have to rate the strength of the conferences which is by far easier than deciding beetween 12-1 Teams.
- December 03, 2006 5:54 AM
and by the way...
the "cold facts" from http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=2684345
especially the first 5 just do favor Florida..that has nothing to do with "who I like or who I dont like",these are just facts.
Just like the fact that Floridas opponents have a win percentage of over .64something which just gives them the hardest schedule from the teams left.
And I agree with people saying,theres no such thing as style points if you play schedules like that.
- December 03, 2006 6:16 AM
A rematch would decide the best team in the Big10 in a down year.
Think about it. It's true.
You can't win your conference you shouldn't play.
- December 03, 2006 8:10 AM
- Ungar Kelt said...
"I am going out on a limb here by saying that Gary Danielson just might be in favor of giving the nod to Florida."
As a Michigan grad, I was all for having Michigan as #2, until Danielson whipped out that amazing chart. Now, there is no doubt that Florida is #2 (sorry, I just vomited into my mouth, give me a second)
"Kids, let's remember -- Michigan lost to Ohio State. You got your shot."
The world's worst argument.
A regular season game in Columbus in front of 100,000 raging alcoholic students (which only facilitated a 3-pt win) is not the same as a game at neutral site in Glendale.
In the NFL, if the Seahawks beat the Broncos today, will there by a rabid public outcry if these teams meet again in the Super Bowl? OF COURSE NOT - for some reason the BCS has caused otherwise logical fans to hold extremely illogical, nonsensical views.
Also, it is hilarious that all of these people who were mindlessly praising USC are now mindlessly praising & advocating Florida. Why wasn't anyone talking about Florida until USC lost? Where were all of the head-to-head USC / Florida comparisons?
Take another look at the Florida vs. South Carolina game and tell me how awesome Florida is. Florida would get routed by either Tosu or Michigan.
- December 03, 2006 9:12 AM
Well, you have no gripe one loss teams. Sincerely, Auburn.
Now do you fucks see why we were bitching in 04?
- December 03, 2006 9:20 AM
I don't agree that if you can't win your conference, you shouldn;t play in the NC game, even thoguh many pro-Michigan posters here had that attitude before The Game (though none do now). You guys raised hell for lask of style points coming out of the Swamp, UofF delivered last night. GD did go way-tf overboard last night, but blame the douchebags that would listen to him to decide their vote- not a guy expressing his personal opinion.
Please no more talk about UofF's OOC schedules, the other team in the discussion's OOC wasn't that special either. Not to knock Michigan, but my guess is that you really thought the Big 10 would put up some serious competition this year (so did I) and if so, Michigan's ticket to Glendale would be punched already instead of waiting on votes from potentially unreliable voters.
- December 03, 2006 9:26 AM
Unger kelt - you're taking away too much credit from South Caralina- but that's expected, so no offense taken. I look at the Ball State game and wonder the same things about Michigan.
- December 03, 2006 9:29 AM
I am a dumbass wank -
- December 03, 2006 9:30 AM
Are you and Gary Danielson the same person?
- December 03, 2006 9:52 AM
Anon 6:52-
Um, no. I'm Jim and you're, oh yeah, anonymous. I said GD went way the fuck overboard last night.
- December 03, 2006 10:19 AM
I bet Mark May still thinks USC should be in!!
Seriously, I would obviously love UM to have a shot at the NC. However, I don't think it will happen. Here's why: If UM wins the NC game and Florida wins its bowl game...then what. Florida argues it never got its shot. OSU argues they split with UM. That's why this is a perfect playoff year. Let OSU play Louisville and UM play Florida and let the winners play for the NC.
- December 03, 2006 11:20 AM
- Rocket1124 said...
Even as a Michigan fan, what bothers me the most is not that Michigan may or may or not get in the title game - or that there may or may not be a rematch.
What bothers me the most is that we operate under a system where poll voters who feel strongly about either Michigan or Florida getting in the game can (and probably will) drop the opposite team two or more slots down in their poll ballot to try and ensure their team gets in the game. That's just wrong.
- December 03, 2006 11:23 AM
Great article at Sporting News
- December 03, 2006 11:32 AM
- Ungar Kelt said...
"I look at the Ball State game and wonder the same things about Michigan. "
Anyone who thinks the Ball St game is indicative of a flawed Michigan team did not watch the game. If you did, you'd understand that Carr put in the 2nd string defense at the end of the 3rd quarter when Michigan was leading 31-12, and the 2nd string played nearly the entire 4th quarter. Quit being lazy and either watch or read about the game instead of just looking at the final score - otherwise, people may conclude that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Florida vs. S. Carolina, on the other hand, came down to a blocked field goal with 8 seconds left, AT HOME - that was a piss poor showing against an unranked team at home.
Was Florida's 2nd string defense in? What was their excuse?
- December 03, 2006 12:05 PM
- Ungar Kelt said...
"I look at the Ball State game and wonder the same things about Michigan. "
Anyone who thinks the Ball St game is indicative of a flawed Michigan team did not watch the game. If you did, you'd understand that Carr put in the 2nd string defense at the end of the 3rd quarter when Michigan was leading 31-12, and the 2nd string played nearly the entire 4th quarter. Quit being lazy and either watch or read about the game instead of just looking at the final score - otherwise, people may conclude that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Florida vs. S. Carolina, on the other hand, came down to a blocked field goal with 8 seconds left, AT HOME - that was a piss poor showing against an unranked team at home.
Was Florida's 2nd string defense in? What was their excuse?
- December 03, 2006 12:05 PM
Here's some class from Wisconsin. Gentlemen, good sports til the end.
"I can't think of one thing," senior strong safety Joe Stellmacher said. "Whoever we play, it seems just as good as any BCS game you could play in. We're not disappointed a bit."
This is not supposed to be an indictment of anyone in the Gator or Wolverine camp. Actually, it might be an indictment of Urban Creyer or Charlie Weis (so fine, one person in the Gator camp). But I'm really impressed with Wisconsin. They're ranked #6 and are not going to a BCS bowl game, but are still content with just going out there and proving their worth.
The Capital One bowl is certainly a respectable bowl game, and I wish Wisco the best of luck. It also makes us look good, but go Big Ten!
- December 03, 2006 12:27 PM
Some good points are made in all of the comments. The best comment made, repeated by others, is that UM had its shot. Um did not win their conference championship.
I am sure most of the UM fans that want UM to play OSU again bitched and moaned, like the rest of us, the year Nebraska played Miami the last time Miami won the NC. If you remember, Nebraska did not win its conference title. Or when LSU smoked OU for its split NC, OU had not won its conference title.
Although I know some people do not like the conference championship games, but right now it is the closest thing we have to a playoff. You have to win your conference to move forward. UM did not, UF did. Bottom line.
Other than Boise St., I have not seen any comments from or about that team concerning Glendale, OSU and UF are the only teams with 12 wins. There you have it, two teams with real schedules and more wins than every other team with a real schedule. Do not short change UF's defense. Could be a good game come 1.8.2007.
- December 03, 2006 1:02 PM
- Ungar Kelt said...
"The best comment made, repeated by others, is that UM had its shot. "
Michigan deserves a shot on a neutral field - they are the #2 team in the country. Period.
There is a reason that bowls are not played on the home fields of the participants (besides the $$$) - the playing field is totally even, taking away the home atmosphere that gives 1 of the teams an advantage. Without the crowd noise and the awful turf in the Shoe, Michigan may have been good for at least another 3+ points. Let's see.
I think it was great last night that ESPN had a fan poll asking who should play Ohio St. Michigan won by a slim margin, but I noticed that Ohio was a state that firmly voted for Florida - apparently Buckeye nation is a little scared to face Michigan again...
- December 03, 2006 1:31 PM
- PeckHorn78 said...
I think there should be a playoff format consisting of the top eight BCS teams. The regular season should be reduced back to 11 games, and should be finished before Thanksgiving (including league championship games). There is a bye week before the playoff, with pairings in the standard 1-vs-8, 2-vs-7, etc. format. The first two rounds are played at the higher seeded team's home stadium in late November and early December. The final rotates among the Sugar-Rose-Fiesta-Orange, and is held January 4th. All the other bowls will continue to exist and be able to select the non-qualifying teams. The non-finalist big three bowls then get to pair teams that don't make the final (as well as some at-large teams) for consolation games on January 1st or 2nd.
The advantages are: The poll controversy will be among the #7,8 and 9 teams instead of #1,2, and 3; With the first two rounds at home there will be less travel hassles for fans (and it should be fun to put Florida up in Ohio in December, etc.); The total games for the year will be 14, which is do-able; Bowl games (which have been made semi-moot by the BCS anyway) still get to have good match-ups and the "lesser" conferences would have a chance to participate. Rematches may occur, but will be relevant. Oh, and ND gets no guarantees.
- December 03, 2006 1:35 PM
Maybe THE best comment I have read today,sounds like a good system in which the UM-Fams could not whine why they are not in...
- December 03, 2006 4:29 PM
Frankly, I feel TSUN has been screwed by the voters, they may even have gotten less of a deal out of the "impartial" computers than they deserve - largely because I feel the PCs do not on the whole do a great job of measuring relative strength of schedule, nor true quality of quality wins. Either of which favor TSUN in different ways.
If the way this had worked out had TSUN facing up once again to the Buckeyes I would not be happy. Not out of a fear of losing. In fact, I believe strongly the Buckeyes would do better the next time round than would Michigan - even on a neutral field. (Though given the huge number of BCS Championship tickets already snapped up by Buckeye fans neutral is a severely relative term).
One reason why I would not want the rematch is because of the dilution of The Game that it would impose. Candidly an opportunity to help lay to rest the assumption that the SEC is so much better than any other conference also plays into my thinking.
Nonetheless, did TSUN get screwed by the polls? Yes they did.
- December 03, 2006 7:09 PM
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- December 04, 2006 5:04 PM
YOu UM fans should chill!!!
Danielson did for the SEC what every tom, dick, harry at ABC/ESPN does for the PAC10 and Big 10!! Why do think Herbie was so pissed...b/c the matchup they had been pimping OSU/USC got smashed, then UM got bumped by UF, so his whole "picks" were screwed. That shouldn't matter since he has picked wrong all year!!
Now ya know how the Auburn Tigers felt in 2004!!!!
- December 04, 2006 8:04 PM


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Um, yes, I know a couple guys who are HIV+. Not much insight to give. They decided not to use a condom with somebody, and that ended up being a really bad decision that they have to deal with the rest of their lives...
Um, yes, I know a couple guys who are HIV+. Not much insight to give. They decided not to use a condom with somebody, and that ended up being a really bad decision that they have to deal with the rest of their lives...
One of my HIV+ friends was doing bareback porn. He was fresh out of the military, self-loathing, and chose that way to "punish" himself. So getting HIV wasn't that surprising, I guess. Oddly, he's a lot happier now. Pretty healthy, although he had a bout of lymphoma a few years back (unrelated). Partnered. Good job.
The others I don't know. They've never said "Jesus - the ONE time I skip the condom!" or anything. They've just said "I chose not to use one, and that ended being a bad decision."
Yes I do. Not sure what light i'm supposed to be shedding here. Some people make bad choices and pay for them. They can either correct them and live a long life, or they can ignore them and others can repeat the cycle of misguided trust.
To be honest, i'd rather deal with column A than B.
"Theres death on the horizon,
and Ill run to behold your sacrifice..."
He's saying that being aware of what you're doing and the risk involved is a good thing. Some people overdo it, though, and treat everything as a major risk. That ends up being a problem.
^ im totally like that. everything for me is either black or white, all or nothing. i cant find a middle ground and thats whats going to kill me...
Well, it's not going to kill you, but it will make your love life challenging. However, if you're willing to take the time to build an exclusive LTR with a guy, I think you'll find your skitishness about STDs will decrease over time.
I don't think it's right to judge people who get it from being promiscuous.
We all do unhealthy things which can threaten our health. Some overeat, some use drugs, some work to much, some are promiscuous...
The rush of one night stands can become an addiction just like any other.
But sure young gays today are having more risky sex than 15-20 years ago.
Some gay people can be breathtakingly judgmental and insensitive. Probably lashing out at a society which has done the same to them, but when it involves other gays with an infectious disease, regardless of how they acquired it, I draw the line and say this needs to stop.
Ostracizing and bullying HIV+ people doesn't solve anything. It only encourages anonymity and drives the disease further into the shadows of society where it spreads even easier.
Doing these things brings your odds of getting injured while driving way down. It doesn't bring them to zero, of course, but you're far more likely to be OK than a driver who doesn't wear a seatbelt and drives recklessly.
Sorry for going off track and I should've stated that at the beginning. I've been on Facebook too much lately.
I know someone through another person. But I don't know his story .. I haven't asked. Since he is using his infection, trying to get pity-ed and free drinks, meals etc I never cut the topic with him.
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Being as old as I am, and having been involved in AIDS organizations...I have known a lot of people who are HIV positive.
Many of them are living with HIV/AIDS today. And living quite successfully.
And many of them were not promiscuous or careless at all. Some got infected through blood transfusions. Some through a partner who didn't know they were infected.
I would just ask all you youngsters out there to get better educated, to not be so fearful and to not rush to blame the people who contract this disease or think of them as somehow morally or socially inferior.
Okey Dokey?
Thank you for that Rareboy
Lots of Ugly going on in this thread.
I am a long term HIV survivor. Seventeen years. It's why I got involved in politics. My husband is negative. There is a way to make sure that you are safe if you are safe.
To anyone else that thinks that it's not a problem to become infected because there are people like me that beat the odds from the beginning, I have two things to say. One... It's extremely expensive to stay alive and HIV positive on a long term basis. It requires extraordinary committment to fighting every step of every way. On good days I get around with two canes or crutches. On an average day I am in a chair, of the wheels variety, and on bad days I am hospitalized and given morphine intravenously, to keep the pain at bay.
The long term effects of the HIV drugs have devastated my nervous system. I am immobile due to extreme neuropathy.
It's not cute to get it.
It's not attractive to see the things written here in an online forum. Two years ago, I found a listing for this place in a log of resources of a support group I belong to. Someone a few of you know, called Andreus, listed this forum there as a support tool. There are others here who have been sent here by his message in that log. There have been for years after his death apparently.
After reading this thread, I am taking the JUB listing out of the log in next months meeting.
There are quite a few people who need to reconsider a few things, one most importantly being, do I seem like the kind of person that takes this kind of thing lightly?
BTW, I will be glad to help anyone with questions that they have, but trust me, there will be respect for HIV positive gay people here who CAME here to find an anonymous outlet to talk to the gay community that ostracizes them and made an online outlet needed to begin with.
Respect Gentlemen.
This topic is supposed to be thought of and thoughtful. It is not supposed to EVER not happen.
Just remember an element of human dignity and we will all be fine.
BP, thank you for your post as well...
I am not sure I understood why you think you should remove JUB from that list you mentioned... I think it'd actually be a good idea for younger guys to have interactions with HIV+ people and have a chance to educate ourselves better, it's the only way I know to fight nasty comments based on ignorance that are frequent on gay forums...
The stigmatization of HIV pos people is all over this, in the most general and careless of ways.
I've always liked you, Lucky.
Setting the table to make HIV pos people guilty of being seen as slutty is precisely the kind of thing that stops people from getting tested. The fear of being ostracized overcomes the need to know their status.
It needs to not go down that way.
I would also add that when I compare the fearful, buttoned up, bottled up, latex covered, fearful children afraid to to anything because of their ignorance and antipathy toward HIV/AIDS...I really have to tell you all that I am so glad that I had the chance to be a homo in the 70's into the '80's.
I appreciate the need to play safe, but honest to Pete, it seems as though there is now a whole generation so afraid of anything that they are missing out on incredible opportunities for connecting with other real people and enjoying messy, squishy, joyful sex that I would much rather get gang-banged by a shipload of syphilitic sailors than to lead the existentially sterile existence that so many now seem to wear like armour.
Even when I served on the board of a national AIDs organization in the 1990's, there was never any thought that all the people we were working with and working to support were somehow less worthy than those of us who missed that bullet. All AIDS is, is a virus. That is all. It isn't punishment. It isn't a moral wake-up call.
I remember the days when after losing a number of dear, dear friends and acquaintances to AIDS...suddenly, there was hope. And not only hope, but the ability to manage the disease. And to live.
And every year there is more to be done and more that gets done and one day we will have the cure that places HIV in the same arena as measles or Polio. Preventable. And curable.
And then maybe, there will be a whole lot of you who get the opportunity to experience the unbridled bliss and freedom that many of us once knew when we fucked and sucked the living daylights out of one another.
I Still am pretty god damned it... hehe
I think one thing that people miss is that often those that talk the most about sex are the ones not getting it. I can tell you what a joy it is, to NOT have that with my husband. I am an asshound from hell, and we were led to believe that bottoms were mostly in danger.
If anyone wants to know my fascination with the male ass it's because I have been wanting one and settling for a handjob instead, for more than a decade.
More seriously it underlines why I have allowed my husband to have sex outside of our marriage. I don't want him to miss being sexually fulfilled, and I trust his love and ability to remain Negative due to his understanding of Viral transmission because we ARE married.
I am on Atripla, and he is on prophylactic doses of sustiva to make sure that he remains negative. In spite of that, we basically have a sexual relationship of affection and masturbation. It makes it no less meaningful to either of us.
But how long have I been hearing nasty comments from the uptight moralists here on how disgusting it is for me to have an open marriage? It is easier for me to let people think it's because I am slutty than to explain the really complex situation that me and people who are positive find themselves in romantically.
I Love my husband. He is beautiful. He is my life partner, not my death partner.
^ sigh. How romantic.
There is more life and love in all of this than in 90% of all the posts on JUB fretting about the risks and rewards of being 100% emotionally committed and loving yourself no matter what.
but there is no reason why you shouldn't be tapping some ass. Just sayin'.
One of my ex bf got hiv but after we broke up. I think it changed his life but as of yesterday he is still around. The medications work so most people can live a normal life span though not symptom-free I am sure! Also, the cost of medications is there and none eascape paying at least something so financially you get dinged...forever.
Be careful!
It's not just the medications. Blood tests can cost over a thousand and sometimes they are needed monthly. There are all the side effect medications you take... meds to treat side effects from the damage the old cocktails did... and then there are the meds for the meds.
The chemicals alone are devastating. I was throwing up blood a year ago, with an ulcerated esophagus, and let me tell you how fond HIV neg people are of being around HIV pos people who are yacking blood.
It piles on, layer after layer.
The HIV pos people here by and large will never complain about it though, because they understand the value of life, and the joy of not being treated like a needy freak.
HIV pos people want respect, but not really attention or pity. We just want to fit in.
That is the reason why threads like this can spook people... So I outed myself as an AIDS patient.
BTW... the notes he left gave this site as a resource, it listed a few friendly names only one of which is still here, and the name of a thread here that he wanted to be remembered for within the HIV pos community.
The thread is still here.
I dont have any personal friends that were promiscuous and then became HIV positive... however I am recently ( over the last year and half) single and here is the main observation I have had since getting beck into a dating and FWB scene...
It seemed when i was first upon the gay sex scene everyone was freaked out and quite ignorant to HIV. Then we learned and carried on using protection with random sex. Now nine years later getting back into the scene there are tons of HIV+ folks on A4A and Grndr which is a good thing. People should be open and honest and be able to live life as much as they desire and as circumstance permits. However besides that rise there are also an amazing number of folks who will only have sex bare... I have been turned down after everything clicked completely just for demanding condoms.... That is a weird thing. however because medicine is allowing folks to live normal lives and long lives with HIV I think the younger generation doesn't see it as a threat. However as BP points out there are huge challenges to overcome.
I wish somehow that message could get out with out the fear and stigmatization that was associated with the initial epidemic.
HIV pos people by and large are remarkably positive people once the initial shock of it wears off. I don't think that you live through HIV and AIDS if you aren't a happy warrior. I have seen the warriors go down, and I have seen the bitter wither away, but I have rarely seen a man die of this illness who isn't by nature both inherently outgoing and agressive, with a sense of humor. You have to live a life worth living or you won't want to be alive.
HIV pos people by and large are remarkably positive people once the initial shock of it wears off. I don't think that you live through HIV and AIDS if you aren't a happy warrior. I have seen the warriors go down, and I have seen the bitter wither away, but I have rarely seen a man die of this illness who isn't by nature both inherently outgoing and agressive, with a sense of humor. You have to live a life worth living or you won't want to be alive.
Let me put that more simply and a challenge to every HIV negative person out there....
Everyday I have had to purposefully choose to be alive by taking medication. I have done that every day for the last seventeen years.
Who here can say that they woke up every day for seventeen years and made a conscious decision that life no matter how complex has always been worth living.
I can say that I have, and that brings me more joy than I can express.
i like your outlook on life, BP
That list I mentioned earlier of names? You are the only one left here on that list. You may know of the other people I have always looked for that are on that list. He listed them as "trustworthy, HIV negs" in personal contacts. I think the other names he left were something like GL24, I am sure of that one, I sent him a message when I first joined. The other names were Springerfan, JD, and ughh.... I know I would get the last one wrong.... can't remember it off the top of my head.
Thread title: From HIV neg to HIV pos
Earth data today: Sunrise at 7:05 AM to sunset at 5:56 PM
The same thing shall repeat itself everyday until no man can collect such data only the time changes.
IMPORTANT: pOsitively Aware magazine this month has a excellent article on "The stigma of GAY men and HIV..... SPOILED IDENTITY"
iTS worth a read because gay dudes are the worst for other gay dudes with HIV, this forum proves it.
No wonder no one wants to talk about status........
Read this my friends,
EXCELLENT should be a must read for every gay guy, in 2012
That's me to be honest.
Barely had sex once, never did it again.
Thought the Chlamydia would attach itself to my scalp through the air.
Sis, this isn't 1974 anymore, there are no "Cocktails" you take a single pill.
Hell, a new all in one pill with multiple medications came out two months ago
Another reason why these girls are out here getting filled to the brim by 6 guys a night.
The disease is so manageable now they are unbothered by your wisdom.
The only way to be safe is to assume that everyone you have sex with is positive, and practice behaviors that will keep you safe.
If it looks like someone is turning into a permanent kind of thing, or at least an attempt at it, then you have to get tested, and reassess.
I remember when this guy was trying to tell us that he got infected by trace amounts of precum that got onto the condom when he was putting on a dude.
We were all like, but sis, we know what you do.
Can someone explain the lies? Why do they lie? Like OP said getting HIV isn't like getting herpes. We know you have to work for it, why do they act like they don't put the time in?
If you are wondering whether or not or why someone has lied, then you still don't get that what they say doesn't matter.
What matters is what choices YOU make every time you have sex. If you do not assume that EVERYONE may be lying and take precautions accordingly, then you are in trouble.
It doesn't matter what THEY say.
It matters what YOU do with YOUR body.
GL24 hasn't been on in a while. I'm friends with him on FB, though, and he remains a good guy.
And I don't see a problem with removing JUB as a support place. It isn't, really. I don't think it's evil or specifically anti-HIV. It's just standard cross-section of gay society, and it includes all kinds. The young, the old, the helpful, the bitchy, the supportive, the angry.
I'm assuming Empty Closets isn't listed there, either. It's supportive, but more towards the "you're gay and that's OK" sort of direction.
I have known several people over the years in my area who have switched their statuses to positive, including a couple of friends.
#439th oldest member on JUB.
I'm sorry but if it was 60% chance then much more guys would be infected than there are today.
This source claims it's just half a percent when receiving. 0,065% when giving.
In regards to your other point, I actually see both happening. Yes, I see some younger people who don't care about safe sex or HIV at all, but for most, I don't think it's because "you can just take a pill" or "I saw it on porn". Instead, it seems just to be the standard "I'm young and therefore immortal" viewpoint - the same that helped lead to the continued spread of HIV through the 80s. But I also see a lot of young people who are terrified of any sexual contact. On Empty Closets, not a week goes by without a panicked newcomer telling me how they haven't eaten or slept for days because they're positive they have HIV...and the story ends up being something like he was kissing a guy at a party, he groped the guy through his jeans a couple of times, and now he's feeling sweaty which means he's positive, right? And no, I don't think that's a healthy attitude to have.
I used the driving metaphor in another thread, and I'll pull it out here, too. The first type are like utterly reckless drivers, who keep the pedal to the metal and swerve into oncoming traffic for the luz and excitement factor. The other group has the nervous Nellies who take half an hour to pull away from the curb, and putt along the road at a snail's pace screaming "I'M GONNA DIE!!!" each time another car comes into view. The smart place is in between. Always wear your seatbelt, follow some safety precautions, and you'll both minimize your risk and have a much better time. Similarly, in the bedroom, always wear a condom, follow some safety precautions, and you'll both minimize your risk and have a much better time.
That is an interesting read vulgar but I could have told you that with no evidence. Gay men are vicious cunts often.... often.
A compliment from the grave. LOL. the thread name he left, to direct people, is JUB midnight radio. It was his way of proving that HIV positive people are welcome here, but interestingly enough, it never mentions HIV. Let's just say the kid was complicated.
Let me do a search and a link...
It would seem that the person I give a host of shit to for posting in Haiku, Chance, had a buddy in style. lHA! For anyone that doesn't want to follow the link, it leads to this video with commentary.....
It's interesting that a whole little HIV poz set of people, I'd guess a dozen or so, have passed through here with this video and that thread as their introduction to the forum as a reason to join.
I think that there ought to be an HIV poz forum here for people. God knows I'd be willing to help put it together with thread posts to get it started. I believe this needs more thought than it gets here, and I appreciate that Lucky, I think, the thread starter, for making it and having the chance to be open about my health.


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always been wanting to move out of the state of new jersey for the longest. used to think about moving to upstate new york where i could live in one of those small towns some years ago but not anymore. upstate ny seems a bit boring. to tell you the truth, i don't even have a clue where i'd move to because everywhere in america is pretty much the same lingo except for the whole cultural part of it. not a fan of change. thought about moving down south but that's too much of a huge culture change from being in the nyc area. thought about the west coast too specifically california but didn't hear too many good things about over there for the most part and over there seems kind of scary. my aunt lived there 11 years ago and she died outthere. apparently, she wasn't feeling over there too much at all and i think the stress of living over there as well as other matters in her life killed her.
i like canada but i dunno about moving over there. thought about possibly even over to england since that's where most of my family is at but that's a huge cultural change too. might just stay put in jersey for the time being until i figure something out or get an opportunity to move elsewhere. thought about moving over to nyc but nyc has changed from what it used to be so that's a no.


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Last week's According to Reports looked at Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas' Nov. 29 UN gambit and Israel's reaction. It ended on a note about the National Post's Jonathan Kay's Nov. 30 rebuke to Israel regarding its settlement policy.
Let us recall: in his UN address Abbas repeatedly referred to Israeli settlements as the roadblock to a two-state solution of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. This not only reinforced the longstanding Palestinian narrative, it also played into the widely held assumption in the West that many of those generally sympathetic to Israel increasingly show signs of sharing.
This column has frequently argued (especially since the collapse of the Annapolis talks in 2008 when Abbas did not reply to Israel's proposal for a viable, contiguous Palestinian state) that the issue of settlements is complicated but resolvable.
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Media reaction was swift in rebuking Israel. Although its editorial stand had been very supportive of Israel during its recent war against Hamas' missiles, and when Abbas skirted negotiations by appealing instead to the UN, the Globe and Mail took strong exception in its Dec. 4 editorial to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's declaration on settlement growth.
As the Globe wrote: "When the Palestinian Authority took unilateral action and sought increased status at the United Nations, Canada vigorously denounced the move as a blow to the peace process… Now Israel has announced plans to build homes in controversial settlement on occupied land, a move which, if carried out, threatens to do far more damage to the process."
Despite Netanyahu's assurances (made once again on Dec. 5 in an interview with the German newspaper Die Welt) that settlement growth does not contradict Israel's commitment to a two-state agreement, there's growing skepticism about this, most worryingly by those who have been sympathetic to Israel and have until now given it the benefit of the doubt.
In Israel, several mainstream Israeli journalists and analysts recognize the public relations predicament facing Netanyahu and Israel on this subject.
To mention these issues, it needs to be emphasized, is not to dispute the rights of Jews to live in areas of their historical homeland. Rather, it's to raise valid discussion about the political wisdom of pursuing those rights under any circumstances.
David Horovitz, the highly respected editor of The Times of Israel, argued, in his Dec. 3 column, that the Israeli government announcement of an additional 3,000 housing units "actually undermines the claims of those who regard West Bank settlement as an essential repopulation of historic Jewish territory, and suggests rather that settlement is a tool with which to hammer away relentlessly and spitefully at Palestinian aspirations for statehood."
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George Gerard Walters, 61, of Carmel, Calif., much loved husband, father, brother, uncle, son and friend, died suddenly on June 26, 2013.
George Gerard Walters, 61, of Carmel, Calif., much loved husband, father, brother, uncle, son and friend, died suddenly on June 26, 2013.
He leaves his beloved wife of 10 years, Maryjane Walters. He also leaves three step-children � Holden, 17; Devun, 14; and Tre,12 � to whom he was Dad, coach, idol and inspiration.
George was born on Sept. 4, 1951, in Melbourne, Fla., and moved to Hendersonville, N.C., as a child. He attended Immaculata Catholic School. He graduated from Asheville School in 1970 and played starting guard on the championship Blues in 1970, the only undefeated basketball team in the high school�s 113-year history. �He had so much life it�s impossible for me to think of him otherwise,� his former Asheville School basketball coach Charles Carter said.
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George was the sixth of 12 children. His father, Linwood Josey Walters, died of a stroke in 1979; his younger sister, �Toi� Walters Charlton, died in an automobile accident in 1989.
George is survived by his mother, Antoinette Holzborn Walters, 94, of Hendersonville, N.C.; three sisters: Marylin Walters Denison (Arden, N.C.); Maryann Walters Whalen (Halifax, Nova Scotia); MaryJane Walters Hunter (Fairview, N.C.); and seven brothers: John Linwood Walters (Hendersonville); Anthony Anderson Walters (Bridgewater, Nova Scotia); Christopher Michael Walters (Hendersonville); Mark Jerome Walters (St. Petersburg, Fla.); Patrick Albert Walters (Charlotte, N.C.); Joseph Gregory Walters (Charlotte); and Andrew Bernard Walters (Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire). He is survived by many nieces and nephews.
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A native of Henderson County, she was born on Sept. 10, 1936, to the late Gladys Bradley. She graduated Waynesville High School and attended Wake Forest University. She worked as a medical technologist at Pardee Hospital for many years.
She is survived by her loving husband, Robert Smith, of Hendersonville; her two sons, David Smith of Salem, S.C., and Mark Smith of North Augusta, S.C.; and many nieces and nephews.
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Maggie L. Harris of Brevard went to be with her Lord, Thursday, June 27, 2013.
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Victor Fred Owen, 68, of Sapphire passed away Saturday, June 29, 2013, at his residence.
Funeral services will be held at noon Wednesday July 3, 2013, at The Church at Sapphire.
Interment will follow at Union Cemetery. The family will receive friends Tuesday July 2, 2013, from 6 p.m. until 8 p.m. at the funeral home.
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Eugene Berg, age 77, passed away peacefully at his home after a brief illness. Private services were held June 25, 2013, at the Donald I. Roseboro Funeral Chapel.
Funeral Services will be held at 2 p.m. Monday at the Philadelphia Seventh-day Adventist Church on St. Thomas, Virgin Islands.
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SimCity has been the subject of plenty of criticism and scrutiny since its launch, due mostly to the little problem that many players couldn't access the game. As the servers start to catch up to player load, or vice-versa, Maxis is turning its attention towards what to patch next.
The bulk of the studio's focus is on alleviating pathing issues among the Sims and their vehicles, according to a blog post from lead designer Stone Librande. Maxis is currently tuning the values to make traffic flow easier, with a new weighted system that will reroute cars to alternate paths as roads hit fuller capacity. Emergency vehicles will also be smarter, moving into empty lanes to get around traffic jams.
Librande also mentioned that the game will be re-enabling some non-essential features that were turned off during launch week. Those include Regional Achievements on select servers, and Leaderboards on the test server. "We need your help testing the Leaderboards so I encourage you to go to the Test server so that we can expedite the timeframe in which this feature is brought back to the rest of our servers," he said.
Clearly missing was mention of an offline mode, which has been a major point of player feedback. Librande assured players that the studio is listening to all feedback, but didn't address that piece specifically. "We'll continue to provide you with updates on the game as we make these changes," he said. "We appreciate all of the feedback that you've been giving us and I want to assure you that we're listening. It's fascinating for us to see all of the different ways that players are testing our systems and we're excited about making SimCity better with your help."


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