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Wednesday, October 11, 2006
Michigan Has Its Share of Jerks, Too
Last Saturday, I got four tickets to the M-MSU game for a good friend of mine who is a Spartan alum. We grew up together and I've known him all my life. In fact, I was the best man in his wedding. But what happened after the game was disgusting and has left me very angry.
My friend, his wife and another couple were cutting across the golf course after leaving the stadium. Because the game was over as far as they were concerned and my buddy's friend's wife is 7 months pregnant, they left in the fourth quarter. Thus, the golf course was pretty empty.
As they headed to their car, another car filled with four Michigan "fans" pulled right up behind them and, instead of going past, came within a foot or two of my buddy's friend and began hurling anti-MSU insults. When the car continued to stay right next to them, coming very close to the pregant woman, my friends told them to back off, the woman was pregnant. That's when things got very vile as the four "Michigan fans" began shouting comments along the lines that the pregnant woman was a whore and her kid would be nothing but a Spartan whore, too.
Folks, if I didn't know this guy as well as a do, I wouldn't have believed it. But I'm disgusted. Just disgusted. And those "fans" who did that are a fucking disgrace. I really wish I'd been there.
Finally, you know the ironic thing about all this? While the three others went to MSU, the pregnant woman actually went to Michigan. I'm wondering if the assholes in that car actually did.
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I'd agree with your guess.....
....and therein lies the problem for graduates of UM, OSU, and MSU.
We will all continue to be painted with the brush of the so-called "fans" , most of whom never attended any college - much less the university they "support" - and many of whom escaped from high school virtually unscathed by any form of education.
I hate to pine for the "good ol' days", but it really was better when these people went to the pro games and left the college games to the alumni and students.
- October 10, 2006 4:28 AM
- Matt said...
OO! OO! Can we tell terrible fan stories, too? Like at the Cal-Tennessee game, the Cal guy who erupted in MFs and vile screams in the middle of the pre-game stadium prayer? And I get that they don't do the prayer thing in California (and most places). But "FUCKING PRAYER ATFUCKING FOOTBALL GAMES THIS IS FUCKING FOOTBALL!" at the top of your lungs in a silent stadium? Manners? Anyone? I've never savored every moment of a blowout so completely.
he told a guy with two 10 years olds to fuck off, too. he was a real cuteypie.
- October 10, 2006 4:30 AM
I am surprised it took so long for you to figure this out. IMHO, these are not fans and we should never call them as such. BTW, don't fool yourself in believing that graduates from UM,OSU,and MSU don't act this way. Jerks come in all stripes and colors.
- October 10, 2006 7:33 AM
- surrounded in columbus said...
all schools produce jerks, drunks, and all sorts of others who exhibit unacceptable behavior. the real difference between and amongst alums/fans is how those types of people are accepted/rejected or otherwise viewed.
at some schools, the type of wretched behavior you described would be thought "funny", encouraged, or at least tolerated under the guise that the visitors "had it coming" or "had no business showing up anyway".
amongst michigan fans, i'm pretty sure this kind of stuff would be roundly condemned. sorry your friends had that happen. even cow farmers and hotel clerks deserve to be treated better than that.
- October 10, 2006 7:52 AM
I agree re: whether these "fans" even attended UM. The biggest jerks often have never even attended the school they are supporting, much less attended any college. I don't mean to sound elitist, but them's the facts.
- October 10, 2006 8:15 AM
Funny to see such pouting on a site that mainly exists to make fun of other colleges.
- October 10, 2006 8:39 AM
Now you know what we were saying all along!!! Now quit being douchebags and recognize that most asshole fans are either 18/19 yr. olds who haven't graduated yet or adults who never went to Ohio State, but love it because it is a winning program, and I mean who else do we have the Bungals? Clowns?
- October 10, 2006 9:05 AM
- PeckHorn78 said...
The sad fact is that the majority of the worst fans tend to be those who had never actually attended the school- but the real root of the problem are those whose entire personal self-esteem seems to be tied to the college team they "support."
- October 10, 2006 10:24 AM
- CrimeNotes said...
I am 100 percent behind the Cal fan who disrupted that Tennessee prayer. If you hillbillies tried to force me into prayer, I'd be screaming too.
Unless the prayer was for a bolt of lightning to come down and smite Phil Fulmer. Then, I'd pray.
- October 10, 2006 10:38 AM
It truly is a sad sight nowadays.
I went to Ga Tech and visited my friend who went to Florida in Gainesville for the LSU/UF game last weekend. We were at The Swamp, a popular bar, and these LSU fans walked in. Unprovoked, a bunch of UF fans started to chant "FEMA, FEMA!" They continued on with other Katrina jokes. Needless to say, my friend was mortified of the lack of class UF fans showed that night.
- October 10, 2006 10:38 AM
Can we get a PG-13 rating for that first video for 'Massive amounts of Ass-crack"?
- October 10, 2006 11:30 AM
my bad ^^^ thought i was posting on the OU video above
- October 10, 2006 11:32 AM
let's be careful. i'd hate to fulfill the stereotype that u of m fans are arrogant by suggesting that rude fans must not have gone to college. anyone sat in the student section lately? i say this as a recent alumni who wouldn't sit anywhere else - might as well watch it at home if i'm going to have to sit with a bunch of old people. but the behavior displayed by some u of m students made me ashamed to be associated with them. for the most part, it was just immature behavior intended to embarrass and annoy the rare brave soul in green and white sitting with us. and this was in the first five rows - graduate students, seniors, etc. there seemed to be a direct association between a person's allegiance and their worth as a person. there is no respect for someone who roots for another team, no respect for an old and great rivalry. it doesn't help when the game is later and people are drunker. my question is - how, as michigan fans, should we react if we are next to people who are being rude to our opponents? is it accepted stadium etiquette to tell them to stop being stupid? does anyone have any experience with doing something to stop behavior that embarrasses the rest of us?
- October 10, 2006 11:43 AM
- The King said...
Oh good, finally some support. I've been the Michigan fan who hates most Michigan fans for years now.
- October 10, 2006 12:30 PM
- CrimeNotes said...
I don't want to say that drunken rudeness and a loud and rowdy crowd necessarily go hand-in-hand, but I do think there's a bit of tension between wanting Michigan Stadium to be more raucous yet simultaneously worrying about Michigan fans being jerks. The boozy, out-of-control fan culture at other schools is part of why their crowds are so intimidating. By and large, a Saturday at Michigan Stadium is safe for grandpa, Aunt Mabel, and your sister's six-month-old. This is part of its charm.
I don't think there's any excuse for being such dicks and I've only ever observed Michigan fans being extremely nice to visiting fans. At the same time, I do think a little perspective is in order -- not just by comparing the incidents described in this post and its comments to European soccer fans, but also to the Tigers fan I saw get suckerpunched at Yankee Stadium for no apparent reason, stories my LSU friend has about open racism, and the widespread physical intimidation I've hear about from Columbus. There's rank verbal inappropriateness, and by contrast there's implied or open violence; there's douchebaggery, and by contrast there's racism.
I also agree with anon 8:43 that there's no reason to assume that these people weren't students. But I also think that if the goal is to fire up the Michigan Stadium fanbase, there will be more of this.
- October 10, 2006 12:52 PM
- CaliGirl said...
I would agree with many of the posters above. I have discovered over the last couple years, and working in the sports industry, TRUE fans (that actually attended their respective schools) are for the most part classy and 'get it.' Fans just for the sake of being fans are typically the obnoxious ones...why is that???
However, Richard Cranium, I have met SEVERAL a$$holes that ATTENDED tOSU. One is a "friend" of mine that insists on texting me a couple times a week just to say Michigan Sucks...ummm ok! Glad to know it is on your mind 24-7. I have to limit my time with him, as it takes a lot of energy to listen to him bag on the Wolverines.
Although, living in California you see a lot more SC homers than anything.
SIDE NOTE: Funny incident though...I was working this past weekend, wearing my Michigan sweatshirt of course, and some Arizona Wildcat fan kept yelling Michigan *ucking sucks! Having to be professional I couldn't respond...but can anyone tell me what their record is this season? OR ANY SEASON FOR THAT MATTER??? Yeah, that's what I thought. Thought that was funny and wanted to share....fans everywhere can be obnoxious and ignorant.
- October 10, 2006 1:19 PM
You know, somewhere on some blog or message board, some poor guy just shared his feelings with the world in describing how he and his buddies were on their way back home after a great game against MSU when they got accosted by some disgruntled MSU fans who wouldn't get out of the road and let them by yelled rude things at him and his buddies saying stuff like, "My pregnant wife and my unborn child could kick the crap out of you- just wait 'til next year!" While the pregnant woman jumped on their hood and tried to plant a flag.
I kid, I kid
- October 10, 2006 1:37 PM
I am so tired of the samed tired comment that only people who have attended a school are "true" or "real" fans. I didn't go to Michigan, yet I will wager that I am as big a fan of the school and program as any of you.
Do I at least get to be closer to a "true" fan because my mother and aunt have four Michigan degrees between the two of them? How about because my family has owned season tickets for approximately 30 years? Does it count that in those 30 years our seats have only been empty less than five times? We don't even try for a profit when we can't go, we sell at or below face value.
I bet my family has donated more money than yours too. We also buy tickets for away games through the season ticket holder program. Does that make us "true" fans? Guess what, the two alums aren't even the ones footing the bill for those tickets anymore. I pay for them, because it is me who goes to the majority of the games. I'm also the guy in my section who stands for the majority of the game, only leaves to have a quick smoke while in the line for the port-a-let, and to get a sausage.
Your gross generalization that only students and alumni are "true" fans makes me happy that I spent my money on an education elsewhere. It is bad enough that I have to deal with asshat fans from other schools, but I also have to deal with the "true" fans from the school I have supported since I started watching football with my family when I was five.
- October 10, 2006 1:42 PM
I agree with the previous poster. Excuse me but I have neither lived in Michigan nor attended the school, but am one of the biggest UM fans you'll meet. Do you have to live in that particular state or region to be a fan of that particular team? Is that a requirement that I missed? I have suffered through the good and the bad. I am NOT a band wagon fan nor I consider myself a "so-called" fan. I live in Indiana and my fiancee and I make the drives up to A2 to root on the Maize and Blue. I have followed the Michigan football and basketball teams from as far back as I can remember and have never once acted like the fools you have told about. What makes you think so whole-heartedly that they didn't attend UM. There's assholes everywhere. Whether they DID or DIDN'T it's wrong nonetheless PERIOD.
- October 10, 2006 2:32 PM
Good point Matt. Seeing the word 'fans' in quotations marks when describing a jerkoff at a game and seeing folks (like me) say the worst jerks tend to be those that didn't attend that school does seem to imply if A=B and B=C, then A=C (or some shit like that) and that shouldn't be the case. I assure you, most big schools with big athletic programs will say some of their biggest/most loyal fans are not alumni and to deny that is utter bullshit by any school. Some schools more so than others- like Alabama- you can't possibly tell me that on any given game day, the majority of Bama fans in that stadium graduated from Bama (or got an honorary degree like astronaut #3 did in UM's awesome commercial- space, bitches, space).
I'd say the same thing about Clemson's crowd of farmers, but there are some pretty decent CU guys that post here here that could pull an IPTAY stat out showing that the majority of members are grads and make me look as foolish as our football team has against then for the last few years.
- October 10, 2006 2:35 PM
- brianthomasbuckeye said...
gross generalizations about "fans" are stupid. The fact is young kids in a car were prolly Michigan students. That sucks, there's no need to be rude. Idiots are everywhere and Michigan is not different. Settle it on the field. At Texas some unfortunate things happened to me and my family but you just keep going. Im not going to condemn all of Texas because of it. Drunkeness is the problem. We're all Americans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- October 10, 2006 3:49 PM
Unfortunately, all of our pontificating is not going to stop someone from yelling obscenities at a Michigan game. Or from throwing batteries at an Ohio State game. But next time I see something like that at a game, home or away, I'm going to put a stop to it.
- October 10, 2006 4:01 PM
- Yost said...
I guess that's the biggest point, Anon. We all need to "do something" next time we see something like this happen. That's the only way to help stop it.
- October 10, 2006 4:12 PM
- Yost said...
Also, for all those who thought my comment about those in the car not going to Michigan was an implication that only those who do are "real fans," that was not the case.
My point was, here were these assholes ripping on this woman about being an "MSU whore" or whatever and SHE WENT to Michigan.
- October 10, 2006 4:20 PM
I read your comments and wanted to chime in about Michigan fans. My wife and I and our two-year old son got tickets to the see the Badgers play in Ann Arbor a couple of weeks ago.
We weren't sure what to expect and I have to tell you that we were treated great by everybody.
We had our red on and people would come up to us and welcome us to Michigan and the Big House. I was a little bit embarrassed because I know that visitors don't typically get that kind of treatment in Madison. (unless you consider people yelling "Ann Arbor is a whore you bitches!" to be a warm reception)
We had a great time. The stadium was cool, I was proud of our team's effort even in a loss, and our band did a great job.
I've started visiting your site prior to the trip and really enjoy the hilarious stuff you put on here.
One thing I noticed about crowd volume as compared to Camp Randall. It didn't seem really loud but Stocco had trouble making audibles at times so maybe it was more than it seemed.
At Wisconsin the students seem a lot louder and more organized.
Also, when Michigan came to Camp Randall last year the noise was deafening at times.
The next morning at church the Pastor's assistant couldn't talk because he had shouted himself hoarse the night before. And he's about 70 years old.
Of course their is a big difference because for us that was the biggest home game of the year and for Michigan, Wisconsin is just another date on the schedule.
Anyway, thanks for a great site and thanks to Michigan fans for a great time!
- October 10, 2006 7:53 PM
Ok Yost you caught me. It was me that was driving the car next to your buddies. I was out on a visit from the joint and thought I would attend the OTHER Michigan rival game. I dressed in UofM gear and fit in. By the way, can you put a few "Bucks" in my prison account, this brother is runnin a little short on change to buy some Goose.
Yours Truly
Mo C From Prison
- October 10, 2006 8:26 PM
It's a mob thing, and in other cases it doesn't matter whether the guy went to the school or not; bad fans can be enrolled or not. Don't get me wrong--most bad fans are probably not even enrolled. But let's not act as if students don't do stupid shit either. Get them all together in chants about the opposing team (not exactly a bad thing), and a few people are going to act out of line. I saw some dumbass Michigan fan put blue paint on some State fan's white hat. I had been yelling things about State the whole game (Illinois!), but I don't approve of some vile actions, and expressed my disappointment. It's a matter of being able to handle yourself and remembering that it's just a game.
- October 10, 2006 8:59 PM
- JD said...
Yost said, "We all need to "do something" next time we see something like this happen. That's the only way to help stop it."
Great sentiment, but tough to execute - if for no other reason then the arsehole's buddies and/or mob supporters will go on and accuse you of being a 'buzzkill' or scream and shout to everyone around that you are 'not a REAL fan, like WE ARE!!!'
Plus, this society has been conditioned not to tell people who are acting like arseholes that they are, indeed, acting like arseholes and should stop; instead, we normally turn away and try to avoid any confrontation that may come up. To top it off, should any confrontation occur, the typical cop response is now to take everyone involved to the pokey for questioning rather than to assign any blame or fault and take the arsehole only. Moreover, the arseholes know this, and enjoy the profits of the heckler's veto afforded them.
Freedom of expression, even in the form of drunken taunts, now trumps the responsibility that goes with that freedom.
- October 10, 2006 9:34 PM
Well, at the MSU game on Saturday, I did do something.
A bunch of people in my section were yelling at two State fans (looked like students) who were standing most of the game. When the guy sitting next to me yelled at them to sit down, "a**holes," I called him out in front of the section. He was pissed, and later bitched me out privately for doing it, but it's a small first step. He, along with a few witnesses, know that someone won't stand for disrespecting opposing fans. Especially when they've got the courage to stand for thier team - something the home fans can't even do!
So, there you go. I did it. You can do it too!
- October 11, 2006 12:32 AM
Yeah, let's "do something" about it! Or, let's not...like somebody already said, it's kind of stupid and dangerous to tell boorish, probably drunk strangers that they're acting like assholes. Any of you who decide to try it (and not while you're in the stands, which is possibly the most wussified, dilettante-ish vigilantism I've ever heard of), make sure there's a camera around when you do, and Yost can post that video next to the one from the Shootout party.
There's always going to be plenty of assholery where college football is concerned, people being what they are - the same passion that inflames those fans with "class" also animates the Brutus tacklers in Austin, the verbal harassers of Yost's friends, and, yes, even the damagers of Michigan's fans' vehicles here in Columbus. Am I condoning such behavior? - of course not; but it's hard to know what exactly can be done about it, other than encouraging one's friends and family to behave properly in fan mode, reporting criminal acts to the police, and wringing our hands about the rest.
There's also some gray area, here - how "welcome" should fans of opponents feel when they're at your stadium? Of course they shouldn't be threatened, or verbally abused TOO much (or TOO rudely), but that's about as far as it goes - shouldn't they FEEL like they're in enemy territory? Also, while attending a college football game ought to be mostly - MOSTLY - a PG-rated exercise, I think the occasional NC-17 moment is part of what makes the game what it is; plus, some of those moments are really funny. If you've got a kid at the game, try not worrying so much about some douchebag who couldn't give a shit what you think, and use it as a teaching moment for your kid about what proper behavior is.
Two more things:
Hey Matt? The Cal fan at the Tennessee game might have been being a jerk, but at least he wasn't doing anything illegal, like, say, having a pre-game stadium prayer at a public school.
And Caligurl? You're right that "fans everywhere can be obnoxious and ignorant." Some of them can even be annoying and silly.
- October 11, 2006 4:04 AM
Maybe, just maybe, if he was brought up with prayer at home, he wouldn't be such a jerk. OBTW, it's not illegal to "pray" in public...as long as there are no denominational references.
Fight On!
- October 11, 2006 7:21 AM
Anon 4:21
The idea the being brought up with prayer at home would make someone a better person is quite possibly one of the most rediculous assertations I have ever read. You do realize that religious warfare has accounted for tens to hundreds of millions of deaths throughout the history of the world, right? I'm just going to guess that a lot of people doing the killing said a prayer before meals and bed.
Time for religious people to realize that a lot of the problems in the world today were caused by their belief in a mythical giant in the sky.
- October 11, 2006 10:33 AM
The act of praying doesn;t make someone good. The act of respectng someone's right to pray if given a moment of silence or to maintan silence during a word of thanks, wishes for good comraderie, and safe gameplay is good.
Now back to stereotypical football behavoir- That Cal fan is an asshole. They all are. They're way over-rated. Tennessee owned them. Smokey wore their Bear ass like a hat. Cal beat the Ducks. The Ducks. The f'ing Ducks. If they beat the Ducks in lumberjack olympics, they'd have something to brag about. But as it is, they beat them in football. It's kind of like bragging because you fed your kid. You're supposed to do that. Don't take credit for doing what you're supposed to do.
- October 11, 2006 10:51 AM
"Maybe, just maybe, if he was brought up with prayer at home, he wouldn't be such a jerk."
Looks like you were saying that the act of prayer is what keeps you from being a jerk. Some of you religious people just crack me up.
- October 11, 2006 2:22 PM
- Ali Haji-Sheikh said...
What happened to your friends is unfortunate and inexcusbale. As an earlier post indicated, the fact that most Michigan fans would react that way speaks volumes about Michigan fans in general. However, that one isolated incident (and there were probably dozens of similar ones in Ann Arbor) doesn't change the fact that Michigan fans, in general, are some of the most respectful fans in the country (except when it comes to their opinion of their team, their coach and each other). Again, it sucks that it happened and I don't think it is a mystery that obnoxious a-holes are everywhere (just a hell of a lot more of them in Columbus). The real question is what in the hell were you doing getting Sparties tickets to an Michigan-msu game at Michigan Stadium? That's an offense worse than shaking keys and a pom-pom in the student sections during a big play.
- October 11, 2006 4:56 PM
I work as an usher at Notre Dame Stadium, and to say the least, I am disgusted with some of our own fans. St. Joseph County has an ordinance stating that there is no smoking allowed in the stadium. My father, who also works with me, had to ask a Notre Dame fan politely to put out his cigarette. He responded by saying no, repetitively. My dad had threatened to get a hold of an officer to see if he could take care of it. Instead, he got a hold of an usher of higher authority and then he asked him to put it out. The guy said, "yeah, sure." takes a deep breath, and he blows the smoke in the higher ranking usher's face.
Shit like that...pisses me off. If any poster here is a smoker, I pray to God that you know better than do such a dickhead move. However, let me make note that I commend all Michigan fans in attendance of that Sept. 9 game. The Michigan fans actually left me with a smile on my face instead of me remaining bitter.
I am sorry to understand the things that happened to your friends and guests. I hope that the next time you go out to a game, or you forfeit tickets to your friends, that something like that doesn't happen again
- October 12, 2006 12:45 AM
I believe the absolute worst fans (students, alumni or dropout convicts) are those who support the University of Miami Hurricanes in South Florida. You haven't seen disgusting behavior until you've witnessed them in action. I know -I'm been on the receiving end of their verbal attacks!!!
- October 12, 2006 10:14 PM


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- AnonymousOctober 29, 2009 at 2:20 AM
The second picture of your face!!! OMG, that MIGHT be the best picture of you...EVER!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 29, 2009 at 2:38 AM
Great look. My Favorite ever, You look so much like Evan Rachel Wood here! :)ReplyDelete
has anybody ever commented on ur lashes?? They're amazing!!! :DDReplyDelete
i like your make up better then hers. i think her make up makes her eyes look weird. it looks better on you.ReplyDelete
Drop dead gorgeous as always, Tiffany! I got most of the colors and will try that out as soon as I can. Your looks are so sophisticated. Thank you for sharing!!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 29, 2009 at 5:19 AM
Very pretty look ! I like it so much !ReplyDelete
I had a little question for you Tiffany :
Do you have already buy some items of the new MAC Collection (the holliday one ).
In France it's doesn't exist yet and I wanted to have your advices and know what you think about it !
Thanks in advance !
Bonne journée everybody !
really great look! i love it! i'm gonna try it out tomorrow :-)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 29, 2009 at 9:02 AM
I looooooove this Tiffany! I commented on youtube, but wanted to comment again because I love it so much! This look really brings out your eyes!ReplyDelete
you are so pretty!ReplyDelete
i love this make-up look! i'm definitely gonna try it out!
Wow that looks great! Super sexy!ReplyDelete
Hey ... i've seen some of your videos on uTube .. and since u seem to be an expert at make up i'd love it if u answered some of my Qs, i've been searching for a good quality makeup brush set, thats not too expensive ..ReplyDelete
i've looked up stuff in Sephora and coastal scents , they both look really great and have very good reviews .. i'v also checked the MAC brushes and the body shop brushes.. here goes my Qs
What is the ABSOLUTELY best choice to go with when it comes to Quality ??
what is the 2nd choice if i want sumthin more affordable??
and i've recently seen an add on Utube of this site www.brush111.com they sell MAC brushes but really inexpensive .. shud i be even tempted or r they fake ??
- AnonymousOctober 29, 2009 at 8:46 PM
I actually tried this look out today and I LOVED it! Such a gorgeous eye look, thanks Tiffany!ReplyDelete
- MarianaOctober 29, 2009 at 9:09 PM
What kabuki brush are you using in this video to smooth your blush out?
Thanks :)
- AnonymousOctober 30, 2009 at 2:07 AM
Love this look!ReplyDelete
Very pretty look!ReplyDelete
I'm from Brazil. I love your blogger!!!ReplyDelete
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Very pretty, I love it!ReplyDelete
- beautyjuice17October 31, 2009 at 6:42 AM
love the look have been wanting it for ages. Quick question what would be an alternative to grease paint? Thanks =)ReplyDelete
- AnonymousOctober 31, 2009 at 11:12 AM
To the reader who asked about brushes: Tiffany has reviewed Sigma brushes and speaks highly of them. I purchased a set and they are really great and affordable; they end up being about $5 each when you buy a set. I think MAC brushes are probably the best quality but Sigma brushes are very very close in quality and some of them are better than the MAC counterparts. Check them out at www.sigmamakeup.com where you can also see some Tiffany how-to videos about their brushes.ReplyDelete
great look, i really like itReplyDelete
Curly curls- As far as brushes go, I really recommend either Sigma or MAC for the price and quality. Sigma brushes are cheaper in price, but to me, equally good in quality (sigmamakeup.com)ReplyDelete
About brush11.com, I'm not sure if they're authentic mac products-- just because the price and pictures of the items don't quite add up if you know what I mean :)
Mariana- I'm using the MAC 182 brush :)
beautyjuice17: Instead of the greasepaint stick, try a black cream shadow or any type of large black smudgy eyeliner :)
Thanks for all the sweet comments everyone! I'm glad you liked this look!ReplyDelete
- AnonymousNovember 1, 2009 at 11:46 PM
Hi Tiffany,ReplyDelete
I just wanted to say thank you, watched the tutorial and used it as my halloween look!!! Just a more sharp edge and pink highlights with Rosey cheeks and I was a perfect "innocent" German Beer Girl!!!
Thank you so much, and for all you do
- AnonymousNovember 4, 2009 at 12:01 AM
Hi TiffanyReplyDelete
Thank you so much for great tutorials. I watched most of them...they are awesome....Could you please give a tutorial on Penelope Cruz make up (thick black line...you know what I mean :-p)
I'm looking forward to see it in near future. Thanks in advance
I nominated you for an award on my blog! Check it out :)ReplyDelete
This is really beautifull!ReplyDelete
Keep up the good work
Stunning, I love the last picture the best though! :3ReplyDelete
Great look! I love it!ReplyDelete
Kisses from Portugal!
tiffany is beautiful I love makeup but I also am particularly impressed that shirt ajaj me fall in love with the shirt please tell me where you bought that brand is good and I hope your answer thanks're wonderfulReplyDelete
- krisleigh24November 16, 2009 at 10:22 AM
I LOVE this look Tiffany!!! = ) So pretty.ReplyDelete
I've just finished trying this out thrice right infront of the computer while watching your vid for uncountable times! But i still can't get the look :< It ends up looking like as though as i took a black crayon & coloured my eye.ReplyDelete
I don't know why that's happening though. I'm thinking the reason would be because my eye lid area is kinda small? Ah i don't know.
- AnonymousDecember 30, 2009 at 7:31 PM
hi i love the make up! can you please try it with different color? thank you..ReplyDelete
Hi!Im from Croatia. I love what youre doing, it helped me very much. I learned a lot watching your tutorials. I always loved maakeup, it is my opssesion and you helped me to make it more perfect. Thank you. Continue the good work...ReplyDelete
YES! I WILL LOVE TO SEE THIS IN A DIFFERENT COLOR! TRY IT :)ReplyDelete
I LOVE THIS MAKEUP! I TOOK YOUR TUTORIAL IN YOUTUBE AND IT WAS A LITTLE COMPLICATED BECAUSE MY EYES ARE DIFFERENT TO YOURS, NOT THAT MUCH! HAHA BUT I DID IT. AND I LOVE IT JUST LIKE YOURS! IF YOU WANT TO SEE SOME PICTURES VISIT MY BLOG. www.mlauramakeup.blogspot.comReplyDelete
I have recently ran into your youtube channel and I´v got to give you the compliment for all that you have been doing!´There are amazing tips! It is just sad that, here, in Brazil, Mac´s products are really expensive... I´l try to recreate this look, but it looks harsh to me - and I really think that I´ve got facility to put on make up... Anyway, I just wanted to say THANKS and to tell you that, even in Brazil, your work is appreciated!ReplyDelete


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so disappointed :( but congrats to the winnersReplyDelete
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Congratulations to the lucky winners :-)ReplyDelete
Of course I'm absolutely gutted that I wasn't among them, but I will survive *sigh* and just rejoice in imagining 11 people going crazy and doing cartwheels of joy :-)
And I was wondering whether you would be reading all the comments LOL I am sure you saw some crazy comments come by :-) I had fun talking to myself...
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aww, i didn't win.ReplyDelete
oh wells, congratulations to those who won (:
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Congratulations to everyone! I'll try again next time. Happy Valentines Day!ReplyDelete
congrats everyone... time to buy the set now!ReplyDelete
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wow i really wanted to win, ill try again next time:) but congrats to all the winnes:DReplyDelete
It always amazes me how naive I can be when I really want something, though I know I never win anything. Stupid me.ReplyDelete
Girls who won - congrats! Hope you'll enjoy your trophies as much as I would have :)
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I just want to thank you for this blog and all the effort you put into it. Your tutorials are really really really amazing and I love them. You've helped me out so much with these and most of all I love the casual and honest way that you talk about each product.. the good and bad about each one. Thanks again and i would love to see more videos so keep teaching us your amazing makeup technics.
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"I'm really excited to get back to Western North Carolina in a city that is as beautiful and has as much going on as Hendersonville does," Connet told the Times-News Wednesday.
Both sets of his grandparents were from the region, and Connet remembers the area fondly. He graduated from Western Carolina University in August 1992, earning an undergraduate degree in Political Science/Geography. He earned his master's in Public Administration from Appalachian State University in December 1997.
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Kuantan is the state capital of Pahang, on the east coast of Peninsular Malaysia.
With over 500,000 people, Kuantan is the largest city on the East Coast of Peninsular Malaysia. There are a number of places in and around Kuantan that are worth visiting.
Get in
By plane
Kuantan's small Sultan Haji Ahmad Shah Airport (IATA: KUA) is about 15 km southwest of the city. The airport currently serves a few daily flights from Kuala Lumpur-KLIA (40 mins) on Malaysia Airlines [3]. It also commences service from Penang airport via Fireflyz from March 2011 onwards.
The airport also serves an international flight to Singapore by Firefly 4x a week.
By bus
Kuantan's long distance bus station is located at Terminal Makmur. (Beside Stadium Darul Makmur)
By car
Opened in 2004, the Karak Highway and East Coast Expressway connect Kuantan to Kuala Lumpur, and the distance of approximately 250 kilometers can be covered in 3-3.5 hours. The East Coast Expressway is served by evenly distributed stop-over areas that are equipped with toilets, sundry shops and food stalls. You may exit at either the Gambang or Kuantan exit. Both expressways are toll roads to travel the entire journey via the expressways costs RM27.60 for a car.
Federal route 2 also links Kuala Lumpur to Kuantan. As it is ordinary road it has no toll. However it is a somewhat slower route than the expressway as there are traffic lights along the way and a lower speed limit.
Get around
The public transport system in Kuantan is poor (especially buses). It takes around 2 hours for a bus to complete its route back to its hub. Therefore it's better if you get around by taxi. Alternatively, you can rent a car from any of the car rental agencies.
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Local Salted Fish supplier: Hasil Laut Kiah Kee
Address: Batu 8, Jalan Gambang, 25150, Kuantan, Pahang Tel:609-5382455 Coordinates: 3°46'1"N 103°13'23"E
Some recommended buys are salted fish, dried or roasted cuttlefish, satay fish,dried shrimps, dried mussels, dried scallops, fish /prawn / cuttlefish crackers etc.Most tourists will drop by this shop to purchase some local produce as gift for relatives or friends.
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Oral History of Paul W. Handy Interviewed by: Jerry Grover Name: Paul William Handy Date of Interview: March 21, 2000 Location of Interview: Home of Paul & Jean Handy Vancouver, Washington Interviewer: Jerry C. Grover Years worked for Fish and Wildlife Service: 1958 - 1985 Offices and Field Stations Worked, Positions Held: New London NFH, Minnesota – Biologist Trainee Spearfish NFH, SD – Fishery Biologist Valley City NFH, ND – Fishery Biologist Marion, AL - In-Service Warm Water Fish Culture Training School Hebron NFH, OH – Assistant Hatchery Manager Senecaville NFH, OH – Assistant Hatchery Manager Washington, D.C. – Departmental Manager Development Program Garrison NFH, ND – Hatchery Manager Alchesay NFH, AZ – Fish Hatchery Manager Portland Regional Office, OR - Fishery Program – Operations Portland Regional Office, OR - Fishery Program, Columbia River Coordinator Most Important Projects: Warm & Cool water Fish Culture, Tribal Fishery Programs, Lower Snake River Compensation Program, Columbia River Fishery Program Colleagues and Mentors: Ansel Holloway, Howard Larsen, Galan Buterbaugh Most Important Issues: Pacific Coast Hatchery Construction Program, Pacific Salmon Culture & Management Issues ABSTRACT: Paul was a National Fish Hatchery person/ hatchery man. He began a comprehensive hatchery-oriented career culturing a wide range of warm, cool, cold water species throughout the U.S. that led to managerial jobs and a training assignment in Washington, D.C. This experience led to being a go-to person in the Portland Regional Office for the Columbia River Basin's expansive hatchery building and operation programs requiring close coordination and astute political savvy with the region's Native American Tribes, the Northwest states and other Federal agencies. 2 THE ORAL HISTORY JG: This is Jerry Grover, a retired Ecological Services & Fishery supervisor in the Portland Regional Office and I am in Vancouver, Washington to do an oral history in the home of Paul W. Handy regarding his Fishery Program career with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. With us today is Paul's wife Jean. Paul where were you born and raised? PH: Good morning, Jerry. Paul Handy's my name. I was born in Minneapolis in 1930, and I went to school at the University of Minnesota. Well, I graduated from high school in '48. I started at the University of Minnesota and I went two years, and I was such an outstanding student they thought that maybe I should, to be honest with you, I wasn't on the dean's list. I was flunking! I wanted to stay in school because I didn't want to go into the Army. They told me, school is no longer a valid excuse for me because my grades were so poor. I decided that since I don't want to go in the Army, I'm going down and enlist in the Navy. When I went down there, the Navy was full. The only people that were available was the Air Force, so I went in the Air Force for about almost four years. When I came back and got back into the University of Minnesota it was by the sheer grace of God and a guy by the name of Doc <unclear>, who said, "Okay, we'll give you one more chance," and I started out trying to go into forestry. That didn't work because there were so many people in forestry already that it was essentially an overcrowded field, and they said, "Well, have you thought about Fish and Wildlife?" No I hadn't thought about Fish and Wildlife, but if I can get a job, it's better than being in forestry, so I ended up in fisheries and majored in fisheries. I'll brag a little bit and say I graduated with a B average for about five years of college. JG: What did you do at the Air Force? PH: I ended up being in a mapping outfit, the 66th <unclear> Squadron. I was a Staff Sergeant, and I supervised a section on aerial photo reconnaissance. We put, we took pictures, the airplanes took the pictures and we put them together, and we made maps out of what we put together. JG: This is for what, target, for targeting? PH: Yeah, for a lot of things. JG: Any wars going on at that time? PH: No, there was no wars going on at that time where I was, but we got shot at occasionally by the Russians because we were right along the border, and essentially trying to take pictures into the Russian occupied sector in Germany and we could... . We could do a pretty good job of it because we could shoot in, depending on weather conditions, 50 to 100 miles, and I'm sure what they we're looking for is launching sites for various pieces of whatever Russia was assembling along the border, and you know, conditions weren't really that good. It was 1951. JG: Was the U-2 on board then. Were they taking the pictures or is that after? PH: I think that was afterward a little while, but we could see, and there are ways, for what they were doing. No, I don't think the U-2 was a big factor in surveillance at that time. I'm not sure of that, but I'm pretty sure. JG: Sounds like you grew up a little bit in the military. PH: Yeah. There was a lot of growing up. Jean Handy: Two babies will do it. PH: Yeah, two babies and having your back against the wall, and you come a long ways. Then I went to work for, the guy that hired me was probably the greatest individual that I have known in the Fish and Wildlife Service. His name is Ansel Holloway, and if there was ever a people's manager, he was it. He was absolutely beyond! He was actually one of the best individuals I have ever known, and I took the, whatever the entrance exam is, I don't even know what they call it. I remember with my five point veteran preference, I was way up the list and could easily qualify first, second, or third once I had the diploma in my hand, okay. So Ansel then interviewed about four of us, and he said it was really quite easy because you've got to hire a three. So I was hired, but I couldn't go to work until I had the 'magic pigskin' in my hand that says I have a Bachelor, a BS in Fisheries. Well, they drug their feet and what have you, but I finally did get it and started to work at New London, Minnesota [National Fish Hatchery] on about the 15th of March I think, in 1958, as a GS-5. I'm trying to remember how much I got. JG: Was it about $3650? PH: No, no, it was less than that, but it very quickly rose to 3650 [dollars]. It was about 29 [hundred] something, and the reason I paid so much attention to how much they paid is all the guys in high school that I had graduated with, several of them hadn't gone into the military. There were two or three that thought I was just absolutely out of my mind going back to college, and then I told them I was going to make $3,000 a year and they almost rolled on the floor they laughed so damn hard. This one guy in particular, he was putting in septic systems. Hell, he was making money hand over fist, and he said, "You're crazy." He said, "Come work with me." He says, "You'll get $10,000 a year," and at that time $10,000 was a lot of money. But anyway, I went to New London and Ansel Holloway had laid out for me a three year training program in which I would be at one hatchery for six or eight 3 months and another hatchery for six or eight months and so on and so forth, and he tried to give me experience in two kinds of warm water fish culture and then cold water culture <unclear>, and that's what I did. JG: Was Ansel Holloway a hatchery manager, or was he a supervisor in Minneapolis? PH: He was a hatchery supervisor in Minneapolis. Really great, great individual JG: It sounds like he was kind of a mentor to you. PH: Oh boy, was he ever! JG: And were there others, too? PH: Yeah, I'm sure that almost everybody that came to you. Howard Larsen, for example. He was a mentor to all the people that came to him. He ended up as a Regional Director. Then there was Galan Buterbaugh. Yeah, but everyone knew Ansel. I don't know of a single, Bob Stevens in Albuquerque. I don't know of a soul that was associated with that guy that didn't think he just almost walked on water. Honestly, he never told you anything to egg you on to do something. Everything he said he could back up and did. A wonderful individual. He came through here a couple of years before he died. I spent an afternoon with him and thoroughly enjoyed it. But he's a great guy, was a great guy, to get on with what in the hell I did. JG: But he laid out a training program or development plan for you... PH: Yeah, for the hatcheries, all in Region 3. I worked at New London NFH, and that was bass, bluegill, and primarily for the Farm Pond Program. Then I went to Spearfish [National Fish Hatchery, South Dakota, and that was all trout, and I worked there for about six or eight months. Then I went to Valley City [National Fish Hatchery], North Dakota, and that was northern pike and walleye, a few largemouth bass. Most of the bluegills we got out of New London and did our farm pond distribution from that. Then I went to Marion National Fish Hatchery, Alabama for the training course under Jack Snow. JG: That was the Warm Water Fish Cultural School down there in Marion, Alabama. PH: Right, and then we went back to, let's see, Hebron [National Fish Hatchery], Ohio. Roy Crandall was the manager there, and that was bass, bluegill, and a channel catfish program. That's where I started, that's where I really became interested in catfish, and lived on the hatchery there and spent the weekends feeding catfish and never thought anything about it. There was no overtime pay. There was no special consideration except we only paid $12 every two weeks for our rent of a hatchery house. So I figured it was about, you know, kind of a break even situation. JG: Were all those stations that you were at, Valley City, Spearfish, and all, did they have hatchery housing? PH: They all had hatchery housing, but I was the lowest guy on the totem pole, and let's see, I did not live at a hatchery house at any three of those stations. And it was, well it was a little bit tough getting by. We had a couple of kids, and let's see, when we were at Spearfish, she spawned another one. Up to three kids on a GS-7 salary, but we made it along all right. After we got out of Marion -- Marion was really good in the respect that I got to work with or talk to people from other regions in warm water fish culture, and come to find out they had some damn good ideas, but we also had some good ideas. I found out that their approach to farm pond program management, I won't say was totally different than ours, but it sure was a lot different in, in that they seemed to have one heck of a lot more contact with the Soil Conservation Service than we ever did. The Soil Conservation Service was pushing farm pond programs really hard for you know, reduction of runoff and siltation and so forth and so on. Okay, at Hebron I got promoted when I got out of school to a 7, and then I just thought life couldn't be much better than that. At that time I was supposed to be in training and learning how to do the books, you know, pay the bills, do the books, all this and that plus... JG: Obviously the day before secretaries and clerks in a hatchery. PH: Yeah, oh yeah. But I was more interested in the fish production program, and with what I learned at Marion I thought, 'Well hell, there's no problem to this fish production, it's simple.' Well, I found out that it's a little more difficult than you really think it is. But we got into upgrading the bass stock with artificially inseminating goldfish and lots of things and were very successful in raising the production of Hebron. But at about that time, the guy at Senecaville retired, Jim Walsh was his name. Senecaville [National Fish Hatchery], Ohio. The Regional Office wanted to know if I'd take a job in Senecaville as a GS-9, and I says, 'Oh great, you bet as a 9 I'll take a job there.' "Well, when can you move?" I said, 'Well yesterday I could be there.' So lock, stock, and barrel, right in the middle of the production season, off we go. Three kids and my wife pregnant again, and Holy Christ, I don't know what all happened, but we got there and there was a new house being built, and it was, you know, you walk into something like that and you think, "Oh my God, it' a total calamity." But we got busy on a catfish-rearing program, which was a heck of a lot of fun. We caught catfish out of the reservoir and spawned them, and that's where I got to meet and know Kermit Sneed. JG: When you talk about spawning catfish you're talking about putting them in milk cans, or did you have pens? PH: No, we had pens and had cans and pens so that you could pair them up the way... PH: And Kermit gave us a lot of help. I remember we had some kind of a disease and now it's, what is it CCVD [(channel catfish viral disease)]. Anyway, it's a virus disease of catfish and I called up trying to get some answers, and this was a Friday 4 afternoon, and I think Kermit was at Stuttgart. I'm not sure. But anyway, I got a hold of him. JG: Kermit Sneed, the director at Stuttgart Fish Health Research Laboratory, Arkansas? PH: Yes, and he said, "Well, I can't be up there much before Saturday afternoon." I said, 'Jesus Christ, it's Friday.' I said, 'Where can you be?' He said, "What's the nearest airport," and so I told him, and so I met him in Columbus, Ohio, on a Saturday afternoon. That guy fooled around with those catfish, looking at them and getting the history and everything else. I think I went to bed about 3:30 that day, that Sunday morning, and I thought, ' Holy smokes,' this guy is about the most dedicated individual I've ever seen. Well, he slept up in the house and like 6:30 in the morning I hear him up talking to my wife, and you know, after a whole big three hours sleep. To make a long story short, I got him on the airplane later on that afternoon, and he told us what to do. We did it, brought the fish out of it, we got the fish healthy enough to where they started eating again. I then began to realize that there's a lot of people working in the Fish and Wildlife Service that work in it for something more than money. He didn't ask who was going to pay for the travel, anything. He just came up and did his job and went home. At the end of Senecaville tour, I went to Washington DC in that Management Development Training course, and that would be around 1961, I think. JG: And you were still a GS-9 then? PH: Yes. JG: I think they had, what, they had the junior development training program and the middle management and the senior? PH: I was in middle management. No, wait a minute. I think the junior was GS-7 & 9 and the middle course was GS-11 to 12's. I was in junior management then because I was a GS-9. But that was a pretty good deal because they paid you a fair... JG: $6 a day as I recall. PH: I don't know something like that, but at any rate we went there. There were 4 kids, my daughter was already born. She was born in Senecaville. Anyway, we went there for nine months, and they put the customary pressure on me to stay. I don't know Jerry, I just, I didn't like it. So I went back to Senecaville for about two weeks before I was assigned a new hatchery in Garrison, North Dakota. Now that was a northern pike and walleye hatchery. JG: That was part of the Garrison Diversion Project, the dam. PH: Right, right. Now, as far as a mitigation hatchery, as per what we have here in the west, that was not. But the [Bureau] of Reclamation did go to bat for the Fish and Wildlife Service to obtain money for O[peration] and M[aintenance]. So I don't know exactly what you call it . It would be a kind of a half of mitigation project. Anyway, the operation and hatchery and everything else was all contained into the budget for that Garrison complex, for the Garrison Diversion and the whole bit. I'm thinking I went there in about '63, someplace, 1962 to '63. I worked with the State of North Dakota. Had a very good relationship with them. We had probably the most successful northern pike production program in the United States. Keen Buss from Pennsylvania came out and actually worked with us for better than a week, week and a half, and for a guy of that stature to come out and take a look at our operation, it was kind of ego inflating I'll say that. One of the things that we had that they did not have is we had a supply of northern pike that must have looked to everybody like the national debt because we had hundreds of female fish to pick from. I mean, we didn't have to spawn 30 pounders. We didn't have to spawn five pounders. We could take a nice female, eight to ten pounds, spawn it, and away we went, and that's what we did, and there, it's a nice size fish to work with. You don't rupture eggs, and we had a very successful program. JG: Were you using injections at that time, using gonadotropin or anything? PH: No, not at all! JG: You were just taking them right, just picking from the ripe females and males. PH: We caught the fish in the reservoir, which is sometimes kind of a cold, halfway dangerous job in that you're out there in the wind and a big, flat boat. But we had a good, a good situation. And so, I wrote a paper on propagation of northern pike. I don't know whatever happened to it. I can tell you off the record what happened to it: essentially no trout production. We had a little Mickey Mouse program, 45 or 40,000 pounds there at Garrison though, but I can't really say we were busting our hump producing trout. JG: These were catchables? PH: Yeah, mostly catchables. We had I'd say all catchables, and it was a, it was a little different program. But we had a good water supply, and we weren't pushing the facility to the maximum, so we didn't have lots of disease problems, and we just, it was an interesting. But I didn't feel like it was overly challenging. I had a lot more interest in trying to get a muskie [muskellunge] program off the ground and do a little bit better job of raising northern pike, because we had a heck of a time with, you know, predation on themselves in the ponds. JG: In the ponds, yeah, and if you leave them in there long enough, you come out with two big fish. PH: Right, right. We beat some of those problems, but it was interesting. It was always something new, and we did a lot of things experimentally that probably should have been written up just because they failed. But at any rate, it was a fun time. And then I got an offer to go down, well by that time I had made a GS-11, and then got an offer to go to Alchesay [National Fish Hatchery in Arizona] as a GS-12. On the White River Indian Reservation, and being money hungry, I guess, maybe not money hungry necessarily, but feeling that if I was ever going to go any place I better get some experience with a different kind of fish culture, and at Alchesay [it] was really a combined 5 establishment. It had two hatcheries, William's Creek up on the top and Alchesay down below, and total production, about a half million or so pounds [of trout]. I was there for about a year, and it was a different experience in that I had never run into supervising a big minority workforce and we had a minority workforce in the form of Indians. I could not conform to their method of working. When I hire somebody to work eight hours a day, I expect them to work eight hours a day. So on the first two weeks I had the privilege of getting rid of nine of them, and I'm sure everybody on that hatchery figured the tenth one's going to be me because, and I thought, well, the heck with it, you know. The Fish and Wildlife Service is paying them money and they're not working. I caught guys sleeping on feed sacks. They'd come to work late. They wouldn't have their keys, their hard hat. They wouldn't be clean, all kinds of things, and I just fired them, and I thought, hey, you know, you conform. Well when I fired the tribal chairman's son, they said, "Handy, you're going to get the big one today," and believe it or not, I did not. I think part of that has to do with my daughter and the Tribal chairman's daughter were both five years old, and they were both in Head Start, and they were the best buddies in the whole world. So it was pretty hard for him to scream discrimination when our daughters were playing together. At any rate, we got that situation all ironed out, and we ended up with a very, very, in my opinion, a good working crew of almost all Native Americans. I think our biologist, a guy by the name of Gene Forbes, who later became hatchery manager at Coleman NFH in California, was our fishery biologist. We had maybe two or three other white guys, but all told, a crew of 21. I think we had like 14 Native Americans, and darnn sharp guys. Guys that would work, get out on a truck and do the distribution, and I thought we had a good crew when I left. JG: Did you have to change your management style a little bit to accommodate the Native Americans? PH: Well, I tell myself I didn't, but yes, I have to say that you do have to change. You don't have to accept less, but you've got to try to think how they think and how they look to their friends. I mean, it's not cool or whatever you might call it to be jumping up and down for, and doing everything that quote, "whitie" says. I don't want to use that word too bad, but what I'm saying to you is they wanted very definitely to continue to be the proud race that they are and I had to be very careful not to talk down to them. I had not thought I had until I started, you know, taking a good look at myself and saying, "Hey, you don't want to be treated that way, why are you treating them that way?" So in that respect maybe there was a little growing up on both sides, at least I thought on my side anyway. I think that's very valuable for anybody that's in the management end of it to try to understand what you're, not who, but what kind of problems you're dealing with, and for sure they do not look on happenings of the day like we look on happenings of the day, and understand that. They're willing workers when they know what's expected of them, and make sure they know what's expected of them and you know, try to be absolutely honest with them. By the time I transferred, well, maybe I'm blowing smoke, but I thought we had a heck of a good workforce. It was something that was kind of different for me, but I think we had a very good workforce. Then I came to Portland. I took a job in the Regional Office in Portland, and "in operations," unquote. That really meant that I was brought in here to take over Galan Buterbaugh's job who was going to Washington, DC. He went into Washington, DC, and operations was really in all honesty being run by a fellow by a name of Bruce Cannady who was getting close to retirement and was very much more interested in hatchery construction than he was in the day's operations of the hatcheries. JG: I recall at that time there was a fairly active construction program. I mean, there were new hatcheries coming on line at Quinault and Kooskia. PH: Yes, and at <Unclear>. Makah, Dworshak, Warm Springs. All new National Fish Hatcheries, plus the rebuilding of Spring Creek. Spring Creek NFH was being rebuilt and with some major change. There were some minor changes at other facilities, I'd say at Coleman. Leavenworth had a fairly big change. So yeah, Bruce was really the Fish and Wildlife Service hatchery representative for all agencies relating to construction, and there's just no way that one guy can do all that with about eight or ten big projects ongoing and the operations. So I kind of herded the operations end of the program along and to start with it, it herded me. Then when I'd get into difficulties I'd go talk to Bruce and say, "Hey, what should I do," and he'd get me squared away, and I'd go along just fat, dumb, and happy until I ran into another problem. But that lasted for about three or four years and then... JG: When you talk about operations Paul, let me interject, did that include doing the budgeting system and getting the funding for the hatcheries, the cyclical maintenance, hiring, firing, training? PH: No, I did not get into much of the training. In fact, Marv Smith, the ARD [Assistant Regional Director for Fisheries] did that, but anything related to money, maintenance --all of that was my responsibility. Now I'm not saying I had the final word on it, but I was the guy that put the budgets together, met with the hatchery manager, said, "Hey, what do you think this is, the Taj Mahal," or whatever. John Miller, the other assistant, did the production part of it and we had a pretty good working relationship with most of the managers, I'll say. That's what I did for about four years. And then a fellow by the name of Bill Bien came in and he did a lot of my grunt work, so to speak, and I took over some of Bruce's construction work, and about that time is when Bruce retired. Bruce saw through to the completion of Dworshak, I believe. And even though I was still operations, so to speak, I was more involved in construction than I had to, than when I first arrived on board. Of course as time developed, these construction projects were being completed so there was less and less work, and that's when I got all involved in this programming;, well, at that time it was zero-based budgeting and that kind. JG: Why all the construction at that time? What was the philosophy at the time? Why were we building hatcheries? 6 PH: Well, for example, most of the work that the Corps of Engineers had done on the Snake River, these hatcheries were built as mitigation for fishery losses. JG: Are you talking about the Lower Snake River Compensation Plan? PH: I'm talking in part that, but when Dworshak was built, that is in essence a Corps mitigation project. The dam and reservoir. On the lower Columbia River at Spring Creek, the Corps came in and totally modified it. This was mitigation to enhance the production program at Spring Creek beyond the existing capacity. It was totally funded (the construction) by the Corps of Engineers. JG: Okay, so basically when Spring Creek was reconstructed then, you say 50 percent was mitigation and 50 percent was enhancement? PH: Right. JG: And it was all part of the Bonneville Dam second powerhouse and part of the Corps original projects on the lower river. PH: Yes, right. PH: And then, of course I was involved as a Fish and Wildlife Service representative on all mitigation projects on the Columbia River, including the Snake River dam projects – the Lower Snake River Compensation Plan. You know, we had several hatcheries in Oregon, several in Idaho that the Corps built in addition to what we're talking about. JG: So the philosophy at the time is basically to seek mitigation for water and power development projects on the Columbia and Snake Rivers. PH: In the enabling legislation the language was already there, and in like Ice Harbor, the dam had been constructed and was in operation for ten years before we even, before there was any work being done toward completion of a mitigation hatchery. JG: To mitigate the impact of the dam. PH: Right, yeah, and we were perturbed. How's that? That's not too bad, and the Corps was too. The Corps wasn't dragging their feet, and they certainly had a money source, and so…that's…everything got rolling then. JG: Getting the Corps off the dime and getting the funding to begin the mitigation was turned into the Lower Snake Compensation Plan, and the ten or eleven hatcheries mostly operated by the states. PH: Yes, except for the rebuilding and reconstruction of the Service's Hagerman NFH. And Spring Creek, yeah, and that was all, that was all in the package, and that's, okay…that's…. I when I retired in '85, and that's what was happening here in Portland at that time. There was a, it was really a going proposition. I just cringe when I see what's happening now. Everything has stopped! I don't know what I can do about it. JG: What do you see happening now? PH: Well, I can see the end to a sport fishing salmon resource that generated millions of dollars for lots of people, and there was lots of enjoyment, and I, that's almost a thing of the past. You cannot, right now, go fishing with any assurance, I mean, you couldn't set a date right this minute to go fishing on the 20th of August in the ocean and even be sure that you have something to fish for in the line of salmon and anything else. JG: And that's different from what it used to be? PH: Oh man, yeah, a lot different. You're down to one fish limit right now, and maybe they won't even have a season on some of these things, and that just tears my soul apart because I'm a sport fisherman, and to have a recreational endeavor like that just shot down, it's a crying shame. But it's not something the U.S. government had total control over. When you talk about, you know, the high seas fishery and the vulnerability of runs that are beyond the three mile limit and all the rest of it. Greed, I think, on the part of a lot of other countries play an important role. But at any rate, there is still some sport fishing. JG: It seems like, Paul, you've been pretty much a hatchery person all your life. PH: Yes, I have. JG: And you've seen the construction, an active construction program in Region 1, in the Columbia River Basin, in the northwest in general. We mentioned Quinault and Makah, the tribal hatcheries, Warm Springs and other tribal hatcheries as well as the mitigation facilities, Lower Snake Comp Plan. Your perspective now, is there some sector of the Northwest you're saying that hatcheries have been a cause for the demise of salmon? That's an ongoing issue. Have you got a comment on that? PH: You bet I've got several, but I don't know how many are good for the record. I'm saying this: if you're talking about the demise of the runs of salmon and are attempting to put the blame on hatchery fish, I think you're barking up the wrong ladder. It's impossible to me, for me to believe that if a hatchery fish leaves a hatchery, goes out to the ocean, survives two or three years in the saltwater and comes back, that it is any less prepared for the eventualities of spawning than quote, "a wild fish." Now nobody's been able to define for me what a wild fish is, because every fish that exists was once wild in its heritage. I don't care how you cut it, and I believe this. I do not think the, quote "wild fish" survive any better, unquote, than the so called domestic hatchery fish. If we're going to have sport fishing for the kind of ordinary guy that picks up his lunch pail and goes to work and comes home every night, if we're going to have sport fishing for those kind of people, you're going to absolutely have to have hatchery production because it, this is the only way that there's going to be fish for them. If I made, you know, $25,000 a month, I could afford to go to Alaska and get in on that, but the 7 guys down here, average guy with a lunch bucket can't do that. Stars, what else you got there, Jerry? I don't want to talk on... JG: And when did you retire, Paul? PH: About the 1st of April in 1985. Two weeks beyond my earliest possible retirement date, and the reason I did that is I didn't get an annuity check until the 1st of April, so that's when I retired. I had worked something like 34 years and two months, or something like that. Well, I had some military time in there, too. I was in the Air Force. I think it was about three years, nine months of military. JG: Thank you, Paul, for your time. I'll leave the interview right here.
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Paul Handy oral history interview as conducted by Jerry Grover.
Paul Handy began as a comprehensive hatchery-oriented career culturing a wide range of warm, cool, cold water species throughout the U.S. that led to managerial jobs and a training assignment in Washington, D.C. He would become a go-to person in the Portland Regional Office for the Columbia River Basin's expansive hatchery building and operation programs requiring close coordination and astute political savvy with the region's Native American Tribes, the Northwest states and other Federal agencies.
Organization: FWS
Name: Paul Handy
Years: 1958-1985
Program: Hatcheries
Keywords: History, Management, Biography, Employees (USFWS), Biologists (USFWS), Management, Fish hatcheries, Fisheries management, New London National Fish Hatchery, Spearfish National Fish Hatchery, Valley City National Fish Hatchery, Hebron National Fish Hatchery, Senecaville National Fish Hatchery
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North Dakota
South Dakota
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Oral History
Paul W. Handy
Interviewed by:
Jerry Grover
Name: Paul William Handy
Date of Interview: March 21, 2000
Location of Interview: Home of Paul & Jean Handy
Vancouver, Washington
Interviewer: Jerry C. Grover
Years worked for Fish and Wildlife Service:
1958 - 1985
Offices and Field Stations Worked, Positions Held:
New London NFH, Minnesota – Biologist Trainee
Spearfish NFH, SD – Fishery Biologist
Valley City NFH, ND – Fishery Biologist
Marion, AL - In-Service Warm Water Fish Culture Training
Hebron NFH, OH – Assistant Hatchery Manager
Senecaville NFH, OH – Assistant Hatchery Manager
Washington, D.C. – Departmental Manager Development
Garrison NFH, ND – Hatchery Manager
Alchesay NFH, AZ – Fish Hatchery Manager
Portland Regional Office, OR - Fishery Program – Operations
Portland Regional Office, OR - Fishery Program, Columbia
River Coordinator
Most Important Projects:
Warm & Cool water Fish Culture, Tribal Fishery Programs,
Lower Snake River Compensation Program, Columbia River
Fishery Program
Colleagues and Mentors:
Ansel Holloway, Howard Larsen, Galan Buterbaugh
Most Important Issues:
Pacific Coast Hatchery Construction Program, Pacific Salmon
Culture & Management Issues
ABSTRACT: Paul was a National Fish Hatchery person/
hatchery man. He began a comprehensive hatchery-oriented
career culturing a wide range of warm, cool, cold water species
throughout the U.S. that led to managerial jobs and a training
assignment in Washington, D.C. This experience led to being a
go-to person in the Portland Regional Office for the Columbia
River Basin's expansive hatchery building and operation
programs requiring close coordination and astute political savvy
with the region's Native American Tribes, the Northwest states
and other Federal agencies.
JG: This is Jerry Grover, a retired Ecological Services & Fishery supervisor in the Portland Regional Office and I am in Vancouver, Washington to do an oral history in the home of Paul W. Handy regarding his Fishery Program career with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. With us today is Paul's wife Jean. Paul where were you born and raised?
PH: Good morning, Jerry. Paul Handy's my name. I was born in Minneapolis in 1930, and I went to school at the University of Minnesota. Well, I graduated from high school in '48. I started at the University of Minnesota and I went two years, and I was such an outstanding student they thought that maybe I should, to be honest with you, I wasn't on the dean's list. I was flunking! I wanted to stay in school because I didn't want to go into the Army. They told me, school is no longer a valid excuse for me because my grades were so poor. I decided that since I don't want to go in the Army, I'm going down and enlist in the Navy. When I went down there, the Navy was full. The only people that were available was the Air Force, so I went in the Air Force for about almost four years.
When I came back and got back into the University of Minnesota it was by the sheer grace of God and a guy by the name of Doc
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text: This innovative tour offers insights into the landmarks of costume history and examines the different materials used from the sixth century b.c. through modern times. Highlighting clothing represented in stone, wood, paint, and other media used throughout the Museum's collections, the tour covers trends and developments from all over the world starting in ancient Greece and continuing through the twentieth century.