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Wednesday, December 06, 2006
Voters Explain Why They Voted for Florida
"I have always thought the SEC was the whiniest bunch, who are under the mistaken belief that they have invented football and I have never met Urban Henry," said Walden in the Register article, mistakenly confusing Florida coach Urban Meyer for a Lombardi-era Green Bay Packer defensive lineman. "I have been drinking a lot of Alka-Seltzer today."
Uh...yeah. These are exactly the sort of folks who should be deciding college football's champion.
Other possible explanations for the crazy voting, especially in the Harris Poll, include...
And of course this one...
(Big HT to JZ once again for the video!)
94 comments:
- alandeis1985 said...
why don't you babies quit your whinning. The voters thought Florida was the better team which they were.
- December 05, 2006 1:21 AM
- Zach Landres-Schnur said...
clearing your head -- or a bong -- sometimes make the stars align.
- December 05, 2006 1:24 AM
- Kirbdaddy said...
To translate for Coach Cryer, I mean Meyer, "We should be in the BCS Championship, I'm wet, hungry and just made a poopy."
- December 05, 2006 1:33 AM
Thats funny stuff but maybe Coach Carr should have cried a little harder for his own team....or maybe he was just scared to play ohio state again. 2 losses to osu in one season would be a bit much dont you think?
- December 05, 2006 1:34 AM
Ha Ha yeah nice Urban Meyer vid.
I'm unbiased and like neither Michigan or Florida but I mean when a question was asked Meyer stood up and answer the question.
Carr just kind of rode the fence and asked for forgiveness.
Your gonna fault a man for answering questions that he was asked bluntly and to the point? Makes no sence. Your calling someone a whiner for stepping up and saying what he believes? I know your all full of sour grapes but seriously Urban Meyer is the more blunt honest coach and if thats what it takes to get your team to the Championship then its Darwinism baby. Survive or be killed.
- December 05, 2006 3:27 AM
Carr almost sounded like he didn't want to play Ohio State.
Everyone in the media and SEC attacked Michigan, claiming it was be a travesty if Michigan played in the BCS championship. I had hoped he would've defended Michigan a bit better than he did.
- December 05, 2006 4:23 AM
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- December 05, 2006 6:44 AM
Its a beauty contest and Mich was the runner up this time. One of those ass clowns said "how can you tell those kids(Florida) that after they just won the SEC that they couldnt play for the National Championship! FUCK YOU MAN. You abviously didnt give a crap telling undefeated Auburn that in 04 who beat more top 10 teams than OU and USC combined that year. WHere is the out cry that FL played a D1AA team w. carolina? All AU fans heard was that we played the Citadel that year which everyone seems to schedule these days.
What about telling Boise State that no matter how many games they win, they will never have a chance to win the NC> They are a D1 team and deserve to try and Beat OSU in round one of a playoff. This system blows.
- December 05, 2006 7:14 AM
you said after The Game it was ridiculous to talk of a rematch. Now you want another shot. It would prove nothing, other than Ohio State is the best team in the Big Ten, something we already know. Michigan's best win came against Wisconsin, a team that hasn't beaten a ranked team. The Big Ten was in a down year, as it was obvious Ohio State and Michigan were probably going to be undefeated when they met, yet each team still had 6 games left in the Big Ten.
The real reason why Michigan isn't in the title game is its very difficult to decipher who is #2. However, we already know Ohio State is better, as they proved it on the field. Florida now gets a shot. Beat Ohio State if you want to get to Glendale. If you can't, then quit complaining.
BTW, I hope you understand how hilarious it is for Ohio State fans to see Michigan fans bitch and whine about why they should have another shot. I do love the blog though, even if I don't always agree with you guys. Keep up the good work
- December 05, 2006 8:54 AM
- TitleIX said...
A few quick hits (as it were...)
1) Hope Zook enjoys sitting all alone in the Big 10 Coaches' cafeteria. When in Rome, Ronnie, when in Rome
2) You can't overlook the human element. The voters appear to be no more sophisticated in their logic than some bloggers on this site. You know, the ones who talked about conference champs, already having a shot, tougher schedule etc etc etc.
3) The better discussion, (i/m/h/o), is whether or not the Big 10 'needs' a conference championship tourney.
- December 05, 2006 8:59 AM
If the Big 10 has a conference championship game and it somehow cost M*chigan a title one year, UM fans would then be whining about how adding the extra game is unfair. Plus, most of the coaches in the conferences that have title games hate them.
Besides, we had a conference title game: It was the 3rd weekend of November, and M*chigan lost it.
- December 05, 2006 9:29 AM
Titleix, I really don't think Zook will give a damn and honestly wouldn't be shocked if he had more Big10 coaches sitting with him as opposed to Lloyd. I would imagine there are a few Big10 coaches getting a chuckle out of seeing Lloyd not being able to pull the strings that he normally does within the conferences.
Besides, support within your own conference isn't necessarily a strong point within the Big10 - hence PSU getting boned in 9
- December 05, 2006 9:58 AM
Looks like Walden was "getting his goose on" while doing the plop-plop, fizz-fizz.
- December 05, 2006 10:07 AM
On a total different note:
Anyone catch Herbstreit bitch the other night after Meyer made a quote about not seeing Michigan play. Ole' Big 10 Herbie jumps in and says
"That right there what Meyer said proves a great point about how coaches don't see enough games and can't have an unbiased opinion filling out polls"
He said it with obvious heat towards what Meyer had just said and very obviously towards Meyer himself.
Rece Davis then goes "Meyer doesn't vote in the coaches poll"
Big 10 Herbie looked like he saw a ghost when the camera went back to him.
I usually respect Herb but it seems like Michigan not going is killing his resolve. He's real tense.
- December 05, 2006 10:13 AM
Changing ops,
Its not so much about wanting a rematch as it is about not believing Florida is getting the shot. Most of us were accepting of USC going until they laid an egg.
As a Michigan fan, I never wanted a rematch, but I wanted to see the two best teams in the country in the championship game. Maybe that means Florida. Who knows? I dont think so. Maybe I'll be proven wrong.
I would have liked to see what the pollsters would have done if Florida lost to Ark. Then we have Boise state jump us?
- December 05, 2006 10:43 AM
Honestly this is a question to the Michigan fans.
If Florida beats OSU Does your bitching hold water anymore? or will you still bitch.
- December 05, 2006 10:46 AM
- TheSIFdotNet said...
Urban Meyer ? Pees sitting down
- December 05, 2006 10:55 AM
anon 7:46-
Yes we will stop bitching if FL beats OSU, as long as you agree not to bitch about us bitching anymore.
- December 05, 2006 10:58 AM
- Andy said...
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- December 05, 2006 11:04 AM
Did anybody else see the BCS voter talking to Reece Davis on ESPN, talking about how Florida's only lose was this year was to a quality LSU team. WTF!?!?!? I about puked. Thank god Reece corrected him. Maybe it was just a slip of the tough. But seriously...... Do these guys get paid to be voters?? I hope to god that this guy and the one from this article are exceptions to the typical BCS voter.
- December 05, 2006 11:05 AM
- Andy said...
For the most part, I have stayed out of this conversation. It is what it is.
1) I am a Michigan fan
2) I did not want to see a rematch unless both USC & Florida lost
3) 1997 taught me that anytime you need to rely on someone else (example: other teams, other coaches, media talking heads, or random harris poll voters) to give you a shot - be prepared for an unpleasant outcome.
Today it is perfectly OK to bitch about:
1) the flawed BCS system
2) the human engineering and unsavory politics that are part of this flawed system
3) any coach that campaigns that his ONE LOSS team is better than another ONE LOSS team with nothing more than emotion and a convenient platform (CBS)
4) fans from one side (or the other) making boisterous claims that one team (or conference) is better than another with nothing other than biased emotion
My only hope is that this will lead to some sort of playoff system.
- December 05, 2006 11:08 AM
- alandeis1985 said...
i've been busy. school takes most of my time away from me.
- December 05, 2006 11:14 AM
- IC said...
Well said, Andy.
Though I believe Michigan is better than Florida, the Gators have a very legitimate claim to the BCS championship game. What bothers me most is this piece of crap system that leads to so much manipulation, hypocrisy, and weasely behavior (looking at you, Urban.)
- December 05, 2006 11:44 AM
The anti-rematch votes…."Jerry Palm, an independent BCS analyst, estimates that 40 of the 113 [35%] voters in the Harris poll and 25 of the 62 [40%] in the USA Today coaches' poll moved the Gators past the Wolverines."
USC annihilates ND [ranked higher than Arkansas at end of year and at game time] and gets 47 more points from the coaches from week 13 to 14. Michigan sitting idle between week 13 and 14 gained 17 points. Michigan had jumped to #2 in the coaches' poll when USC [after occupying the #2 slot from week 3 through 9] lost to OSU and Michigan received a total of 46 more points from the coaches… BUT Florida beats the Razorbacks by 10 in an error filled game and gets 65 more points from the coaches without Michigan losing [and or winning].
After a game against Arkansas, whose best player is hurt in the 1st quarter, who picked off Chris leak twice [once on a bonehead shovel pass by a lineman for a TD], and then gave away the game when Fish tried the over the shoulder catch of a punt in his 4 yard line with 5 guys bearing down on him that he muffed and turned into a Gator TD AFTER MYER WASTES HIS LAST TIME OUT OF THE ENTIRE GAME AT 3:48 of the 3RD QUARTER SO HE CAN DECIDE TO FREAKIN' PUNT ON 4TH AND INCHES, a game where Razorbacks had more first downs [18-17], and the Gators more penalties [8 for 67 vs 5-25].… this EXCELLENT performance clearly and unequivocally made 25 coaches "see the light" and move Florida ahead of Michigan. BULL BLEEPING SHIT. These 40% of the coaches just hoped that USC would do their job for them and win out.
These jokers moved them 2 spots to avoid the rematch. Florida's performance was anything but inspiring.
They are going to get ass raped like only ND has felt this year.
- December 05, 2006 11:48 AM
So if the Harris and Coaches poll voters pushed Florida up to avoid a rematch, what was the AP's motivation?
- December 05, 2006 12:26 PM
- Andy said...
OK scraper: I'll take the bait.
The same motivation that led to the coaches and harris idiots to make the change. Politics. It is pretty clear that all involved with the "selection process" wanted to avoid a rematch.
My question back to you: Considering they started the week in the #4 spot, what did Florida do during the last week to prove that they were a better team than Michigan ?
- December 05, 2006 12:48 PM
What exactly did Urban Meyer say that is pissing you all off so much? I'm looking for specific examples.
- December 05, 2006 12:51 PM
- Orson Swindle said...
Meyer's cute like that. Sometimes, he just rolls on his back and grabs his feet--it's just adorable.
Speaking of...can you recommend a good place to buy diapers in Glendale?
- December 05, 2006 12:51 PM
Maybe everyone should be quiet and go with the computers on this one.
- December 05, 2006 1:44 PM
LLLLLoyd Carr, might possibly be the worse interview ever.
I'm listening to him on the Dan Patrick show right now. He sounds like someone just kicked his best hunting dog. He avoids every question asked of him. He beats around the bush.
If you ask me he's as big a whiner as Meyer. He's playing the pitty card.
"Oh I'm Llyoyd Carr, I'm so ethical in representing Michigan that I can't make up my mind on shit. The only reason I agree to do these interviews is to have a pity party for Michigan and our dilema and let everyone know about it."
He also said he didn't like the comments Meyer made about "Michigan had their shot".
Man seriously, to intelligent people that listen to these coaches with an unbiased ear It's easy to see that Meyer is comming out the winner by answering questions honestly and to the point and not hop and skipping around questions.
Seriously, call them like you see them please take your Michigan bias out and listen to both of them. Meyer is going to bat for his team while Carr is trying to get a pity party. Plain and simple.
Calls em like I sees em.
- December 05, 2006 1:57 PM
- alandeis1985 said...
i would really like to know what was so bad that Urban Meyer said that has all Michigan fan's panties in a twist
- December 05, 2006 1:58 PM
Well, for me, it's not so much "what" he said, as much as it was that he said anything at all. If Florida's statistics and record spoke for themselves, than why didn't he let them? But if you want to get into specifics, I didn't care for his "threats" to call for a meeting of university heads to discuss instituting a playoff system immediately were a UM/OSU rematch to happen.
- December 05, 2006 2:24 PM
Umm...Florida fans, did you even read any of the post or clicked on the link? Walden blasted the SEC and didn't know the name of your coach! Plus he voted UF over tOSU, which even the most biased Florida fan have to admit is BS. It's voters like Walden that makes a sport that we all love a joke. He should not be voting in the Harris poll.
- December 05, 2006 2:26 PM
A couple of very nice posts. Agree with the first one 100%. But, can we stop calling it "politics" when people simply don't want to see a rematch? I don't really think there's anything political about not wanting to watch a game that's already been played, when there is another team with just as much right to the game sitting in the dark.
- December 05, 2006 2:33 PM
- 1201 S. Main St. said...
Either team had a legitimate claim to play in the NC. I take offense to people claiming the SEC is the toughest conference, they play the best football and have the best players. Big10, Pac10, Big12, ACC, and SEC are elite conferences. Sometimes a conference has a clear down year -- ACC - but there are still 4 other conferences playing great football. No one out there is challenging the "SEC is the toughest" assertion. So I will. Let's consider the top teams in each league this year.
The SEC has 6 top teams this year: Auburn, LSU, UF, UT, UG, Arkansas.
The Big10 has 4: OSU, UM, UW, PSU
The Big12 has 5: Nebraska, Mizzou, Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M.
Pac 10 has 3: USC, Cal, and Oregon State (UCLA and Oregon don't have the overall records to be a "top" team, though both have big wins)
So the SEC has more than others - this makes them the toughest right? Maybe not. There's been a lot made of the best "out of conference" or "opponents wins" stats showing the SEC to be on top. But take a look at the conferences and their signature out of conference wins. Each conference beats up the poor teams from another conference, so those don't count. I'm talking about a win over one of the top teams from another conference. That's the best measure of how strong your conference is. Note: you have to count ND as a top team. It played 4 games in Big 10, 3 in Pac 10 and 2 in ACC.
Signature Out of Conference Wins
Pac10 - 3.5: Nebraska, Arkansas, ND. (Oregon's win over Oklahoma is half a point since the Sooners got jobbed. I'll call that a tie and split the points.)
Big10 - 2: Texas, ND
SEC - 1: Cal
Big12 - 0.5: Oregon
The SEC has multiple wins against the Pac10 but they're all against the bottom teams. The SEC bottom teams got beat up by out of conference teams, too. And let's not forget the Georgia 1 pt win over 2-9 Colorado.
Need more?
SEC vs. Big10 bowl record for the past 4 years:
Big10 leads 8-3. That's not even close SEC folks!
Since the BCS inception here's the conference breakdown of BCS bids.
Big10: 15
Big12: 12
Pac10: 11
Big East: 9
And how do the best teams from each conference do against each other in BCS Bowls:
Big10 8-5 .616
Pac10 6-4 .600
BigE 4-4 .500
Big12 5-6 .454
Top 3= parity
"well we have the best players in the SEC" Really? How 'bout this -Terry Bowden ranked the conferences based on last year's draft assigning points to each draft round, with more points going to 1st round draft picks. Here's his breakdown:
Conf # 0f Pts Avg
(#of teams) Picks
Big Ten (11) 41 168 15.27
Pac-10 (10) 29 112 11.20
Big 12 (12) 28 100 8.33
Those are the facts.
Subjectively, If you watched the SEC championship game it would be hard to argue that the conference plays the best football. It was circus football full of gimmick plays. A team runs double reverse or flea flicker - end-around-running-back pass once in a game to bring a cheating defense back into line or when they are desperate...but to call those plays all game long, and try multiple QB option plays that the QB hasn't done all year is just bad gimmick football. That was a poor display of football and coaching for my money. I'm not saying the SEC is a bad conference, I just don't think you can unilaterally say it's the best in the country. Say it enough everywhere and people will start believing it...so I'm starting with the SEC isn't any better or tougher than the other conference in the country. Pass it on.
- December 05, 2006 2:41 PM
- threadogg said...
Michigan needs to destroy USC before opening their mouths to complain about anything.They need to flatten Booty on his ass and give Pete Carroll the shits by half time. If they only squeak by USC who was just beaten by an unranked team UCLA, the Wolverines will be laughed at for whinning about wanting the OSU rematch. We need to beat USC by at least a score like 45-17.
- December 05, 2006 2:50 PM
We can whine and cry about Meyer whining and crying, but it will do no one any good at all. Florida is going to the MNC game because a bunch of voters changed their minds, not because they are the better team. Noone knows who's better until they meet on the field.
the only thing we know for sure is that tOSU is 3 points better than Michigan. Is tOSU better than Florida, we'll find out for sure. Is Florida better than Michigan? We'll never know because they will not meet on the field. This will remain the case regardless of who wins in Glendale.
- December 05, 2006 2:51 PM
Andy, re: your 9:48 post, what Florida did in the last week week to make poepl think they were better than Michigan. I pose a couple of possibilities.
First, the fact that Michigan did nothing during that week to continue proviing they deserve the #3 BCS ranking they had. Not their fault, but they didn't have another chance to show theit stuff.
Second, Florida beat Arkansas on a neutral field the day before voting.
Teams move all the time in ranking whether they play or not. The pre-Bowl poll is not final until all the regular season games are played. It's dynamic. A team with a "bye" week or a season has ended runs the risk that someone may impress the voters.
Imagine a beauty contest - Girl A and Girl B go through their talent routines and they're both wearing lose fitting dresses so you can't really see how big their breasts are (sorry Titleix, this was the first analogy that came to mind). Well, when it comes time for the bathing suit portion of the contest, Girl A wears a loose fitting 1950's style bathing suit for tradition and throwback era memories. She still looks great, damned great, but you just can't compare the total package to Girl B. Girl B gets up there after Girl A in a one-piece and you can finally see she's well endowed. Sure, Girl A had a helluva good song and dance and she sure was pretty in her throwback era bathing suit, but the last memory of the contest you have is of Girl B. We don't know if her 'endowment' is fake or not or if she even looks better than whatever Girl A has under her bathing suit, we just know it looks good in that bathing suit she picked.
- December 05, 2006 2:52 PM
- clemsontiger said...
I thought you guys might want to see this. She's a friend of mine and used to give me a load of crap about living in Michigan. She's from Dayton and went to undergrad at University of Findlay and then Graduate school at tOSU. Nice girl and very pretty. Just way too opinionated on tOSU-Michigan even when she hasn't been drinking.
- December 05, 2006 3:03 PM
My point was that since the AP is not in the BCS system it would not matter where they voted Michigan. If they thought UM was #2 (or even #1), it wouldn't change the bowl match-ups. They could keep UM #2 and wait until after the bowl games to see who is #1,#2, #3, etc...
For the record, I don't know who is #2. Both teams are good. And since OSU already beat UM, it should be Florida's turn.
Maybe Michigan should have dropped after their loss?
And by the way, the system sucks. Let's settle it on the field from now on.
- December 05, 2006 3:09 PM
- Kraut said...
To those of you who don't understand what "issues" we have with Urban Meyer ...
Most UF fans (and perhaps many other people, as well) believe it is perfectly fine for him to campaign for his team. I disagree. So do a number of other Michigan fans and other "old school" football fans. Lloyd Carr chose to take what he believes was the high road. He believes in humility (a sort of forgotten word in US sports these days), not bashing (perhaps that's too strong a word) other teams, and clearly not campaigning for votes.
I actually like what Lloyd Carr did. If he had campaigned, perhaps Michigan might have ended up playing OSU again. But I respect what he did and therefore respect the results. I'm disappointed, sure, but shit happens.
For those of you who don't get it, you probably never will ...
- December 05, 2006 3:45 PM
Why wasn't there a huge outcry like this one when USC jumped Michigan 2 weeks prior?
Is it because USC was believed to be so much better and more deserving than both FL and Mich? Well that idea dissolved quickly after UCLA won.
So voters, coaches, computers, everybody who had a say in the system had to decide between #3 and #4, who would be the new #2. The difference between 3 and 4 is irrelevant. Having Florida at 3 and Michigan at before Saturday meant nothing, it had no effect on the title game because neoither were in it ahead of the other.
But when asked to reevaluate the teams and affirmatively decide who should be in the title game, they picked Florida.
Merit. Florida played a much harder schedule, won it's conference championship with everything on the line, had a better record.
- December 05, 2006 3:49 PM
Whoever keeps shouting "8-3 vs the SEC the past 4 years bitches" is wrong. I've seen that number numerous times the past few days on multiple blogs and have a gut feeling the original poster was a troll trying to bait.
Big Ten is 6-5 vs the SEC the past 4 years, conveniently leaving out the 2001 0-3 season. The choice of year can make a difference. However, if we consider the BCS the modern era, the Big 10 is 11-10 against the SEC since the BCS was adopted. It is a push.
- December 05, 2006 3:53 PM
Stop crying. If the old system was in place, the number two Big Ten team, er..Michigan, goes to the Outback Bowl.
- December 05, 2006 4:11 PM
to clear things up, it would have been just as much a travesty if USC had not lost to UCLA and gone to the title game. Except, both Michigan and Florida would've been screwed.
This system will never work the way it is, someone will always be screwed. Penn State in 1995, Michigan and Nebraska in 97, Miami, USC, Auburn. This is not exclusive or exhaustive, just the victims of the top of my head.
A playoff will not make it perfect either, but at least these types of things would be decided on the field.
- December 05, 2006 4:23 PM
I'm not a fan of either school, love the blog, however I'm not sure what UM fans are complaining so much about. USC was already ahead of them, they weren't going to even play OU again, and most of the UM bloggers agreed this was right.
Nothing has changed between now and then except USC lost, UF won against another ranked team, and UF will be playing OSU instead of USC -- UM was never going to play them again.
I understand the UM fans are mad, but how can you unbiasely say that UF did not play a harder schedule? They did. And you know what? These polls you are complaining about are the same polls that put OSU at #1. Who has OSU beat? UM and a very mediocre Texas team breaking in a new QB? So whose to say OSU is REALLY that good? UM lost, how hard is that to understand, and another conference might have the better teams this year -- regardless if it is the SEC, Pac-10, ACC -- so why not let one of their better teams play OSU?
I just find UM's response to this situation very hypocritical, because we all know fans would be outraged had two SEC teams, that had already played and one beat the other, got into the national championship when both teams had fairly weak schedules, and a UM team that lost only one game all year, but played multiple top 25 teams and had a very hard schedule, was left out.
- December 05, 2006 4:55 PM
- Yost said...
I don't have as much problem with Florida going - one team was going to get screwed - in as much as I have a problem with Urb's constant campaigning and saying shit like he wouldn't recognize Michigan at the NC if they went and beat OSU.
Play up your own squad all you want. But don't bash another school. Makes you look bush.
In addition, before they played ND (after M stayed #2 following OSU game), when asked the same sort of questions, Pete Carroll wasn't begging for a spot in the NC game, he was only talking about his team, not trashing others.
That is my problem - and that of many M fans - w/ Urb. No class.
- December 05, 2006 4:58 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
i've been busy most of the day, and just now really had time to read this string. you know what finally struck me about most of these and yesterday's commenters (aside from the usual dumbass cowardly tosu anons)?
it's the suggestion that some how michigan fans are out of line for being pissed about this.
we spent a month at #2, and then two weeks in at least one of the polls @ #2 after the loss to tosu. and then we get passed over by a team that's been behind for months. we weren't supposed to be pissed about that?
who the hell wouldn't be ticked off? like it's unrealistic for us to have thought we were still #2? that bitching about the system that flopped us is somehow wrong or misguided?
flippin Urban demanded an immediate revision to the system if FLA got passed over- that wasn't over the top? hell, he's still calling for a playoff. but michigan fans complaining about the same thing is useless whining? like some congressman from fla wouldn't have demanded hearing on the bcs by now if FLA had gotten left out?
besides, 3/4 of the sportswriters in america, even the ones who pushed for FLA, are saying the same things most michigan fans are saying- it's a flawed system, one team was going to get screwed, and we're that team.
the few commenters that have just argued that FLA should have gone may be wrong, but it's an arguable point.
but the ones who are telling us that we shouldn't complain, or that we're whiners because we don't like the outcome? what a bunch of idiots.
BTW- dumbass tosu anon- ken gorden of the dispatch called tre$$el's ploy w/ the ballots "slick" too. you may want to pull own your thesaurus of dirty words & write a nasty letter to the editor, too.
- December 05, 2006 5:39 PM
Yost - I can understand and certainly respect your opinion about you considering Urban's tactics to be "bush".
I never saw you attribute his types of tactics to the SEC as a whole, but to those that do, here's Urban's resume. Perhaps his attitude, behavoir, and "bush" tactics originated or were influenced a little further north and perhaps west of SEC land.
1986 Ohio State Tight Ends
1987 Ohio State Wide Receivers
1988 Illinois State Outside Linebackers
1989 Illinois State Quarterbacks/Receivers
1990 Colorado State Wide Receivers
1991 Colorado State Wide Receivers
1992 Colorado State Wide Receivers
1993 Colorado State Wide Receivers
1994 Colorado State Wide Receivers
1995 Colorado State Wide Receivers
1996 Notre Dame Wide Receivers
1997 Notre Dame Wide Receivers
1998 Notre Dame Wide Receivers/Special Teams
1999 Notre Dame Wide Receivers
2000 Notre Dame Wide Receivers
2001 Bowling Green Head Coach
2002 Bowling Green Head Coach
2003 University of Utah Head Coach
2004 University of Utah Head Coach
2005 University of Florida Head Coach
2006 University of Florida Head Coach
Prior to coaching, he played at Cincinnati and has a degree from there as well as Ohio State.
- December 05, 2006 5:39 PM
- Yost said...
Well said, SiC.
Jim, not not lumping SEC. Just individual, in this case, Meyer.
- December 05, 2006 5:43 PM
Yet if the vote went your way then the BCS would be a gravy huh? Fucking morons. You had your chance and blew it. Get over it.
- December 05, 2006 5:52 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
tosu anons are bed wetting mama's boys.
see, i have a dirty word thesaurus too.
- December 05, 2006 6:02 PM
- Andy said...
your example using a beauty contest is perfect... because that is all this current system is. No substance. All opinion. Hopelessly flawed.
I am not crying that Michigan should be there and Florida should not. Florida has a great team and super season. They deserve a shot. I just think the way that it went down is bad for the integrity of the game.
- December 05, 2006 6:03 PM
And UM are crying little bitches who can't get the job done but then expects the football world to give them another shot.
- December 05, 2006 6:04 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
shouldn't you be back to your post at the drive thru by now?
- December 05, 2006 6:05 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
and skip the fries. i just want a coke w/ that.
- December 05, 2006 6:06 PM
Awwww...the little guy is trying to make a joke.
After the title game I'll be the one laughing while Big Blew is still crying.
- December 05, 2006 6:15 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
laugh all you want. tosu winning the bcs won't get you out of mcdonalds.
- December 05, 2006 6:18 PM
- TitleIX said...
Nice posts gentlemen! (anons aside)
have you seen this?
a little "what if" playoff dreaming.
POLITICS + "to deal with people in an opportunistic, manipulative, or devious way, as for job advancement" (dictionary.com)
OR placement in a BCS championship bowl??? ;-)
- December 05, 2006 6:29 PM
- srudoff said...
a few thoughts
1. Andy - your post at 8:08 am this morning is my candidate for Post of the Year. Well thought-out and level headed. Great Job
2. Titleix - you think Zook should have voted the Big Ten slate but then comment about how pollsters show lack of logic in their picks - kinda contradicts one another no?
3. I got no #3 cause Andy perfectly summed up my thoughts earlier.
I've never rooted for Michigan except for a few times against Notre Dame but I hope you guys kick USC's ass. (just don't lobby for a split championship if you do and OSU loses a close one to Florida :) )
- December 05, 2006 6:42 PM
- TitleIX said...
I can see your confusion.
Zook is in the Big Ten. He (in theory) should have a clear understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of the teams in that conference. A sophisticated and complex understanding, even. One that might lead you to vote what you know.
But, to vote Florida #2, because as he said, "I thought you were supposed to vote the way you feel. One vote wasn't going to make the difference."
Is pretty darn illogical, and I for one would act in accordance with adolescent-girl-rules and leave his ass sitting by himself at the lunch table.... ;-)
and Andy, you're my hero!
sigh! :-X
for you srudoff: go bucks(!)
- December 05, 2006 6:55 PM
- srudoff said...
Yeah I thought your when in Rome comment meant that if you're in the big ten, you vote the big ten.
zook does know the big ten but also knows the sec - maybe a bit better.
i can't wait for January 9th when we can all hate each other again! :)
- December 05, 2006 7:14 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
good point. agreeing w/you/potentially rooting for tosu leaves me feeling dirty.
you hit on a point early today i thought was interesting- big ten conf play off. if we ever land a 12th team, we'll need one. however, that'll bring up numerous problems w/ conference schedule-
for example, if we were in the same divisin so we would play tosu every year, one or the other would always miss the conf game. if we were in a different division, we might not play each other unless we both won our divisions. and if we played each other each year, but were in different divisions, we could have a rematch every time both teams won their division.
not really on the point of the original post, but it did get me to thinking...
- December 05, 2006 7:38 PM
- surrounded in columbus said...
Anon 4:35,
i'm going to take back a few of the things i've said about you guys.
that was frickin' funny.
- December 05, 2006 7:46 PM
Thank you, thank you very much.
- December 05, 2006 7:49 PM
- threadogg said...
Is Arrington leaving the team as rumored? I can't see him staying much longer after the fiasco he created at the OSU game, end of first quarter. How fair is it to the rest of the team if he costs us another game. He had the Buckeye defense so enraged with that shoving match they stuffed us cold. Then once they got the ball back 4 play touchdown drive 90+ yrds. capped with the Ginn 39 yrd. bomb game over. Arrington must go.
- December 05, 2006 8:24 PM
ABout conf championships, division, who would play who, etc. The SEC (and I think the ACC is like this as well) has 2 divisions, but each team keeps 1 or 2 permanent (I think 2) opponents from the other division and rotate 1 in of the other 4 in the other division on home/home rotations every 2 years. This way, some of the traditional rivalries were maintained. So tOSU and Michigan could be in opposite divisions and still play each other every year. Yes, sometimes it would be a preview of the Big Ten CG.
- December 05, 2006 8:44 PM
OK Yost. Delete my post. It was not particularly mean, I kept it clean, and most bloggers would understand that I was simply piggy-backing on your UCLA drunk dial humor.
Some people are humorless I guess.
- December 05, 2006 9:02 PM
- 1201 S. Main St. said...
Oldwestside - I stand corrected in my earlier post. The B10 is 6-5 v. SEC in bowl games in the last 4 years, and you're correct going back 5 years the SEC held an 8-5 advantage. If you go back to 1998 (BCS established) then B10 has 11-10 advantage over SEC...but either way it's a push which precisely illustrates my point from the earlier post.
Everyone, including Urban Myth needs to quit hyping the SEC as the toughest conference in the country. It's not. Period. I'm not advocating the B10 is the toughest I'm just saying it's no worse, nor is the pac10 or Big12.
- December 05, 2006 9:19 PM
Carr is starting to make an absolute fool of himself.
He blames not being in the title game on Tressel for not voting, on Urban for lobbying.
You know the one person I have yet to hear him blame? LLOYD CARR.
Hey Coach Carr, it is Jim Tressels fault we didn't make the title game because once again he outcoached you ! now shut up already, i am starting to cringe every time i hear you speak.
- December 05, 2006 10:10 PM
Michigan Fans:
If my team (Oklahoma) was in the same situation and Stoops acted like Carr about everything. I personally would be pissed. Carr has had every chance to talk about how good he (the head coach of the damn team) thinks his team is. Everytime he's been neutral leaving it up to the media to talk about it. Carr is making a fool of himself like the guy before me said. He is not standing up for the University of Michigan, claiming the ethics card which in this case is absolutley ridiclious.
- December 05, 2006 11:22 PM
1201 S. Main St.,
You are wrong. Period.
- December 06, 2006 12:17 AM
- Yost said...
Got rid of the wrong thing, Anon. That was good. Here it is again.
Ring ... Ring ... Ri
Mich: Hello?
OSU: Hey Michigan, its me. Ohio State.
Mich: [Sigh] And what do you want? I'm sure you're here to gloat, so just go ahead.
OSU: Hey, hey, its not like that. I heard about what the Harris did to you and I just wanted to check up and see how you were doing.
Mich: [Sniff] Not good. You know, after our little spat in November Harris and his friends were so nice to me. They kept me at #2 in the polls, told me I could still be a champion, then WHAM dumped me for USC.
OSU: Yeah, I know how finicky they can be sometimes. They fell for those beach bums and their speedy receivers.
Mich: Yeah, and now that that didn't work out for them, they passed us up for Florida?!?!
OSU: I never could figure out what they saw in Urban. I guess some pollsters just like that bad boy image. But don't worry, some day someone is going to like you for the bright, sophisticated, University you are.
Mich: [Sniff] Do you really think so?
OSU: Oh yeah. Right now the pollsters are all about winning games on the field and conference champions, but soon enough they're going to be jobbing other schools for you, just you wait.
Mich: I guess you're right. Just the other day someone said I could preseason #1 next year. Do you think that's possible?
OSU: Sure it is. You've got a lot of talent, don't let anyone tell you different.
Mich: Thanks, I really feel a lot better.
OSU: Great, I'll see you next year.
Mich: Good luck with your game.
OSU: Thanks, see ya.
Ring ... Ring ... Rin
FLA: Hello?
OSU: Hey Florida, its me. She totally bought it.
FLA: Oh thank goodness, all that crying was driving me crazy. You ready to party?
OSU: Yep, got my bags all packed. See you in Glendale.
- December 06, 2006 12:35 AM
Glad to see MZone believes in free speech here (heavy sarcasm). Don't wanna actually deal with facts here do we Yost? Here is it again.
Tuesday, December 05, 2006
Cry me a river for the Michigan Wolverines. Send me the time and place for their pity party and I'll be there in tux and tails -- all black in honor of their state of mourning. Let's all kick and scream and threaten to secede from the Union or the BCS because the Wolverines were snubbed.
But the Wolverines really had a simple way to avoid this feeding frenzy. It was so easy and simple that I can't believe Lloyd Carr never thought of it.
Lloyd, listen, do you want to know a secret? Do you promise not to tell, woh, woh, woh? Let me whisper in your ear.
Go undefeated and try winning your own league!
That's all and you bury the Urban Legend that you don't deserve a shot at the national title.
But you blew it. You lost a game at Ohio State and you can bury your tears during the Tournament of Roses Parade in Pasadena.
I don't like the BCS any more than the next guy. However, you have to admit the last weekend of college football was about as riveting as anything we've seen in a long time. And Sunday was a nailbiter of epic proportions. It was like staying up late in 2000 watching the results of Bush-Gore. First, (ironically), the networks called Florida for Gore. Then, for Bush. Then, they didn't know any longer.
Most woke up Sunday thinking it was Michigan and then the pendulum shifted toward Florida. Then, you really didn't have a clue so you were glued to the tube. It was like the final night of American Idol.
Michigan is a very good football team. One of the best in the land. Yet it barely beat Ball State and it played in the backward Big Ten Conference.
Some Big Ten zealots say Michigan would have gone undefeated in the SEC. Think again. Try a few road trips like the Swamp or Auburn, Deaf Valley or Fayetteville or Knoxville. Little tougher than Purdue and Northwestern.
I don't have anything against Michigan. Sure, Carr is about as cantankerous as any person I've ever interviewed in college football. You could catch a cold sitting next to this guy.
But this isn't personal. The Wolverines felt they earned the spot because they beat Notre Dame. Florida beat Tennessee, LSU and Arkansas.
After a grueling schedule, which included a season ender against rival FSU (on the road), it had to beat Arkansas in its 13th game of the season. Meanwhile, UM was at home, chomping on popcorn.
Michigan claims it only lost to Ohio State. Yes, but it didn't have to contend with a play-in game like Florida. Oh, I'm sorry, that didn't happen because the antediluvian Big Ten doesn't have a championship game. Not my problem that they're stuck in the '50s up there in the Rust Belt.
Some credit Mike Slive for turning the tide in favor of the Gators. Who knows? But can you imagine the angst in college football if the SEC was denied BCS entrance two of the last three years?
Auburn deserved sympathy two years ago. It went undefeated. It was simply dominating. Florida isn't in the league of the 2004 Auburn team. The loss at Auburn hurt Florida in October but the Gators bounced back.
The bottom line is this: The Wolverines could have ended this sniveling debate by knocking off Ohio State. But you see, Carr can't beat Jim Tressel. Mr. Sweater Vest continues to abuse Carr like a rented mule. If that explanation doesn't compute, look up Tommy Tuberville vs. Mike Shula in the dictionary.
At the end of the day, the Gators may regret this elevation because now -- after the celebrating is done -- they will have to play the best team in the land.
Regardless of the outcome, they deserved the shot. They won the best league in football. Michigan didn't even win its own conference. So, Wolverine fans, quit the crying game. Jump on the jumbo jet and head out to California, where you likely will get spanked again, this time in the Rose Bowl by USC.
I don't really care, though. I'll be watching the bowl game that matters -- Florida vs. Ohio State in the national championship game. The system may continue to be flawed. But this year, they got the two best teams for the right reasons, playing for all the marbles.
Paul Finebaum
- December 06, 2006 3:02 AM
And Walden's coaching record against the Big Ten? 0-17!
- December 06, 2006 8:32 AM
- Earle said...
And Walden's career record against the Big Ten as a coach? 0-17!
- December 06, 2006 8:34 AM
- srudoff said...
I heard Walden's record against the Big Ten was 0-17 - anyone else hear this????
- December 06, 2006 11:04 AM
Hey Paul Finebaum -
"Don't wanna actually deal with facts here do we Yost?" - I don't believe that there were any accurate facts in your post, more like total speculation. Want an example? Funny how you left Wisconsin off the list of Michigan victories. Don't think Wisconsin is good? Too bad, they are the #7 team in the country. That is a fact.
"They won the best league in football." - I guess you have not heard of a little league they have going... I think its called the NFL. They might be better.
"I don't really care, though." - Yes, because its very common to write 3 page essays on things you don't really care about. It's okay, you care, you care a lot.
I must say it's pretty classless to see the amount of Florida and SEC fans who feel it necessary to rub salt in wounds on Michigan fan blogs, sites and bb's. Had the Gators finished 3rd you know every Fla blog would be declaring war on the BCS right now. Hell, the Fla faithful already had a few weeks of whining going into all this mess, and you just know it would have turned into a riot had things gone the other way. Urban Meyer was ready to protest if Michigan beat OSU the second time around.
The most pathetic thing for Florida fans who taunt the fans here is that most UM fans are expressing the conclusion that the BCS system sucks and needs to be replaced... a sentiment shared by the Gator head coach and school president. So good job there. Instead of offering support to help take down the shitty system that put us here your fellow fans have instead made a hatred of UF come out of nowhere.
So Yost deleted your comment. Good. Think for one minute how you would feel if you operated a blog and hundreds of classless fans came by just to rub it in your face.
I'm just going to leave it at this Paul, if you don't agree with what Michigan fans are saying, or are tired of what they are saying then don't go to Michigan blogs and read them, no one is forcing you, so just don't do it!
- December 06, 2006 11:17 AM
what's the point in crying. nobody want to see michigan and osu again, face it! see ya in pasadena against the big baby trojans!
- December 06, 2006 11:41 AM
- 1201 S. Main St. said...
Hey Paul Finebaum
Florida fans had a simple way of not hearing UM fans bitch about being more deserving - beat Auburn.
"FLorida beat TN, LSU, and Ark" UM beat ND, WI, Penn State (and PSU's 4 losses came to top 11 teams)
UM had a wider margin of victory over their one common opponent, Vandy.
See earlier post that SEC my no measure is a tougher conference. It's simply hyperbole that's being bentered around like fact.
Finally, the most interesting thing about the FL argument is that it's never about Florida being the second best team. Never
The arguments are always "No rematch" conveniently forgetting FL 1996 rematch, that gave it its' ONLY national championship.
It's "You have to win your conference" conveniently forgetting the BCS precedent of 2001 and 2003. (Nebraska and Oklahoma)
It's "the SEC is a tougher conference" mere conjecture when the SEC has only one win over a top 15 out of conference team, and the Pac10 has 4, while Big10 has 2.
You even tell us that it was the SEC's turn no matter what. They couldn't possibly be denied twice or the political fallout would be grave.
It's everything BUT "We clearly have the 2nd best team in the country"
NOBODY is saying FLorida is the 2nd best, not even Florida fans. They know they've squeaked by all season except when playing DIIA practice squads. Does anybody really think the SEC championship - trick play/circus football - game was an impressive win for FL (besides SEC homers)?
Tell us your team has been so impressive in the SEC and so impressive all season that it's on par with Ohio State. Tell us with a straight face that you trust your offense to get it done. Tell us you're clearly the 2nd best team in college football. You can't, and that's why UM has a legitimate gripe and that's why people at a UM blog are venting.
- December 06, 2006 1:01 PM
1201 - if you're going to try to use logic, don't stop short. UofF also beat South Carolina, SoCar's only losses came against teams ranked in the top 15 as well (I don't think quite top 11 like your claim for PSU). If you're bringing up meaningless 3rd degrees of separation, don't leave any out that don;t support your claim. Not that I agree with a lot that Paul F had to post about, but picking and choosing facts to support your opinions while ignoring comparable facts counter to your opinion is a big reason why these who's #2 arguments are getting dragged out. I concede that it does seem to only be supporters of the UofF decision that are mainly dragging this out.
- December 06, 2006 3:46 PM
Eric & 1201 S. Main:
Not that it makes any difference, really, but the "post" that some anon put up here was lifted verbatim from Paul Finebaum's Tuesday column in the Mobile Press Register (at least they gave Finebaum credit and didn't claim it themselves).
Paul Finebaum is also the host of an obnoxious sports talk radio show down here. It airs from 2 p.m. til 7 p.m. CST.
Here's a link to his show, if you want to blast back:
Be on your guard, though; he's sneaky, smarmy and extremely caustic.
- December 06, 2006 4:00 PM
Paul Finebaum is a sports writer. His article was cut and pasted here.
Wisconsin isn't that good. The SEC is a tough conference. I really doubt OSU or UM would make it through the SEC with out a loss or two.
Michigan had their chance and blew it.
Win a conference title and them maybe you'd a claim to the national title.
Go Gators!
- December 06, 2006 4:03 PM
1996 Florida-FSu game is a apples and organges different from what going on here.
Florida lost to FSU. Dropped to number 4 or so in the ranking. Beat a good Bama team for the SEC title (see..they won their conference) and moved up to number 3 (they weren't idle after their loss to FSU).
Arizona State was ranked number two heading into the bowl games, with FSU number one.
ASU lost to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl. After that loss the Sugar Bowl became the defacto national title game, since it was no. 1 vs. no. 3 and the no. 2 team had lost.
So it wasn't like Florida lsot to FSU and then was given the no. 2 position...they were number 3. Had ASU son their game Florida would not have had a national title.
So, that situation was not at all like the UM situation.
- December 06, 2006 4:10 PM
That should say "Had ASU won"...not son.
- December 06, 2006 4:11 PM
- Yost said...
Agree, 1201. Look, folks can say Florida is second best. That's opinion and, even as M fan, can't argue with opinion since CFB doesn't decided things on field.
But to those who say Michigan shouldn't go b/c they didn't win their conference, I'll agree with anybody who says that *IF* they can show me where it that is prereq to play for National Title ACCORDING TO CURRENT BCS RULES.
It's all about putting the top two teams on the field. Period.
We can disagree about who those teams are, but in attempting to "prove" one's side, at least keep arguments relavent to issues that matter in current set up.
- December 06, 2006 5:33 PM
Michigan is not even the best team in their conference.
No reason in the world why a runner-up in the Big 10 should play for the NC while the SEC champ only has one loss to a top teb team.
No one want to see a reply of the Big Ten championship game.
- December 06, 2006 5:47 PM
- 1201 S. Main St. said...
Jim - I don't accuse me of being selective I've tried to lay it out fairly. In my original post I highlighted the fact that the SEC has more top rated teams in their conference than the other conferences. Paul only highlighted the top 3 teams UF beat I did likewise for UM. You're right, SoCar is a good team, and I think Purdue's record is on par. UGA has a better record but got beat by Vandy and Kentucky, and beat a 2-9 Colorado team at home so it's harder to get a bead on whether they're a good program or not. Tradition says they'll do fine in their bowl game.
That said, nothing changes in my argument that the SEC is being unduly cast as the toughest conference in football. The interconference play of top teams does not bear out SEC being the toughest nor does the head-to-head bowl records, or the BCS selections or the BCS records. Nothing in my argument changes that. NOBODY is arguing that UF is the 2nd best team in the country.
Anonymous 1:10p - it's a fair point to say that's comparing apples to oranges....that's what this whole friggen debate is, since they can't play it on the field. However, people still wanted to see that rematch of FSU and UF knowing that if ASU lost it would be for the national championship. No doubt a bit different, but it's EXACTLY why UM shouldn't have been prejudiced against because '96 UF proved that if given another shot on a neutral field maybe the outcome would be different. The "double jeopardy" argument didn't apply then, why's it applying now? Why's everyone claiming they don't want to see a rematch?
- December 06, 2006 6:13 PM
- srudoff said...
As I said before, If this were a one loss Michigan or OSU team left out in the cold because undefeated Florida was playing one Loss LSU (after LSU lost to Florida two weeks prior), you bet your house and everything else you own that UM and OSU fans would both be playing the conf champ card. Even if it weren't in the rules this year.
That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the conf champ rule rightfully enacted next year or in 2008. They already ban 3 teams from one conf from playing in a BCS bowl - wouldn't be that extreme for them to add that a 2nd conf team can't play for the title.
And in my mind, they'd be doing the right thing. We have conferences for a reason and a one loss Big Ten champ should never take back seat to the 2nd place team in ANY conference.
- December 06, 2006 8:53 PM
I agree, but there is one possible exception to your no 2nd team from the same conference idea - a situation like this year with Wisconsin and Ohio St. not playing each other.
For the sake of argument, say Wisconsin beats Michigan and winds up undefeated. They would be co-champs with OSU, undefeated, and would HAVE to go to Glendale (all other things being the same). That would be the only exception - otherwise, I like the idea.
- December 06, 2006 10:07 PM
The 1996 situation is not the same as now. Under today's rules the 1996 Gator team would not even be playing for the NC. They were ranked number three. But, because no. 2 ASU could not close the deal and Florida could, the Gators got the title.
UM had a shot and failed. Florida made the most of theirs and are playing for a national title.
And, I'd argue that Florida is the number 2 team in the country.
- December 06, 2006 10:29 PM
- srudoff said...
Beast in Bama,
If OSU and Wisconsin both went undefeated, they'd both be conf champs and thus could play each other : ). Seriously though the big ten needs to go to a system where every team plays each other if they won't go to a 12 team league with conf championship game. There's 12 games now so play the other 10 teams and then have your 2 ooc games
- December 07, 2006 8:15 AM
and I'll say it again, had Arkansas beaten Florida, would they have gone to the title game instead of Michigan? No, not even close.
- December 07, 2006 8:19 AM
Michigan cannot play in a 3 team conference, lose one of those games and expect to play for the NC. Come on, give me a break, play a real schedule and shut up.
- December 13, 2006 4:06 PM


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Thursday, November 22, 2007
Happy Thanksgiving!
Have a safe, happy and all-around great Thanksgiving!
32 comments:
- Katie said...
Happy Thanksgiving Yost and Benny. I am thankful for the time and effort you put in so we can all have a place to put our thoughts about our beloved Wolverines. Rest and enjoy your holiday, no doubt you deserve it. Peace.
- November 21, 2007 8:12 AM
- Maize said...
Happy Turkey Day.
And to echo Katie, thanks for the blog. I do appreciate your guy's effort in entertaining me when I should be busy doing other things.
What I love about TG day is going to bars and asking women if they'd like to get stuffed like a turkey. GOOD TIMES! GOBBLE GOBBLE.
(titleix- the above is just a joke. I actually whip out my credit card and ask women if they want to go on a shopping spree at Nordstroms with me)
- November 21, 2007 10:43 AM
- samsoccer7 said...
Ummm... Never got any healing pics after Saturday's game. Google here I come!
- November 21, 2007 3:24 PM
- Mikoyan said...
Happy Thanksgiving. Thanks for the blog and thanks for all the insightfulness you put into this place.
Go Lions!
- November 21, 2007 5:51 PM
- lane said...
try this samsoccer7 -
and happy thanksgiving to all!
- November 21, 2007 7:58 PM
- Out of Conference said...
Happy Turkey Day all!
- November 22, 2007 11:34 AM
- TitleIX said...
did you know that there is a direct correlation between time/money spent at Nordstrom's and stuffing?????
Happy Turkey Day to All!
May we get our fill of all that makes us Thankful
- November 22, 2007 10:16 PM
- Joshua said...
From the Detroit News:
"Harbaugh on U-M job: 'I am happy where I am'"
In a related story, could someone please call the Free Press and let them know I have no interest in Giselle Bundchen. I find her legs to be way too long and her penchant for dating God-like quarterbacks trite. And how am I supposed to live on $150 million, anyway?
Glad we could get that straight. Happy Turkey Day all.
- November 23, 2007 12:25 AM
- IamCris said...
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone here who tolerates my drunken ramblings that are supposed to be worthy posts. Cheers and practice safe Hollidays!!!
- November 23, 2007 1:43 AM
- Katie said...
Staying true to the season, ranked teams dropping to unranked teams left and right. LSU lost......I wonder if that is good or bad for us?
UTFan, so sorry about your Longhorns!!! ;o(
- November 23, 2007 7:36 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
So, you all still want Miles? He's beginning to court the choke moniker...with a talent rich team.
Oh, Happy Thanksgiving!
- November 23, 2007 7:59 PM
- Katie said...
Ahhh, tis why I asked if it was a good thing for us or a bad thing!!! I am totally on the fence about him.....
And Happy Thanksgiving to you Whets! Enjoying the 4 day weekend?
- November 23, 2007 8:02 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
Yes I am. I trust you had a great Thanksgiving. Good to see some life on the MZone. Everyone must be coming home or awaking from their food coma.
Can't wait to hear the opinions on Miles with this loss. It was just a matter of time.
- November 23, 2007 8:10 PM
- Katie said...
Yes, I traveled to my kids home, cleaned and did their laundry, now I am back in A2 to face the end of the term paper churn!
It is bad enough that it is the end of the regular college football season, but we also have to have a holiday break on the blog.......I am having DT's!
If I had to bet money, I would bet Miles will be in Ann Arbor in January.
- November 23, 2007 8:14 PM
- UTfan said...
Katie, thank you for your sympathetic comment.
Well, I don't feel much like writing this post but you faced the music squarely after the OSU game so I feel that it is only right that I do the same tonight…..
Story of the game…our offense was unable to stay on the field and our defense was unable to get off it. I realize that this was a "rivalry" game, but losing to Texas A&M, a mediocre team at best, is disgraceful. This one was on our defense. A&M had 562 yards of total offense and their quarterback, McGee, passed for around 360. No way should they have been able to move the ball like that on us…McGee will never be confused with Henne as far as passing ability is concerned…
There are many adjectives I could employ but none of them are suitable to utter in the presence of a lady or post on a site for everyone to see. At least UM fans could hold up their heads after the OSU loss. As a UT alum, I don't feel that I can after this loss. Right now, I wish Mack Brown would just decline whatever minor bowl bid we get and just tell everyone that we don't deserve any post-season play this year…
Ultimately, I may get over this, but right now it is very hard to swallow…..
- November 23, 2007 8:34 PM
- WingRG said...
Katie, Whetstone,
yes, he'll probably be in A2 in January. The question is: "Will that be a step up from Lloyd Carr?" My answer is no. Carr was a very good coach, and people started calling for his head cuz he lost 2 games a year (on average). I don't see Miles being able to do better than that.
Happy Thanksgiving to all, and thanks Yost and Benny for a wonderful blog.
- November 23, 2007 8:35 PM
- Katie said...
UT Fan, hey, at least you guys are ranked in the top 25, Michigan can't even say that, unless you look at Yost's poll....;o)
- November 23, 2007 8:36 PM
- UTfan said...
All I can say is that after tonight's game, we should not be ranked in the top 25.
- November 23, 2007 8:41 PM
- Katie said...
Wing, I fear you could be right.....I do like the fact that that he bleeds Blue and Maize, although we talk about wanting new blood, I think the tradition is strong and knowing that someone loves Michigan like we do, is very attractive to me. Scary and exciting at the same time.
- November 23, 2007 8:43 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
Condolences. Sounds like our game with Illinois. The sun will rise tomorrow.
I agree. I think Miles would be a huge mistake for Michigan...so I endorse his hiring.
If they turn him down, I hear Kurt Russell offered him a job as his double when he plays beefier roles.
- November 23, 2007 8:43 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
Last week I was looking at the BCS top 10 and calculated that Ohio St. and West Virginia would be in the NC. I should have written it somewhere. No one would have believed it until today. Now it's very possible. Wouldn't that just piss people off!
- November 23, 2007 8:53 PM
- Yost said...
Agree w/ the above comments: Miles is no savior. He should have lost Bama and Aub games. His strategy at end of Ark game was horrible. And that 4th down play at the 50? Bad, bad, bad.
Michigan fans better be careful what they wish for.
- November 23, 2007 10:49 PM
- UTfan said...
'Tis the season to hire a head coach....
Dennis Franchione announced his resignation immediately after the UT game last night. This means that A & M will also be looking for a new head coach in the coming days.
The DMN this morning mentioned the following names as possibilities for the A & M opening: Auburn's Tommy Tuberville, South Carolina's Steve Spurrier, California's Jeff Tedford and Houston Texans offensive coordinator Mike Sherman.
Other than Les Miles, I have not kept abreast of the names that are surfacing at this point for the UM opening. Is there a chance that UM and A & M may be talking to some of the same people?
- November 24, 2007 11:22 AM
- whetstonebuck said...
I would be surprised if Spurrier took a job outside of the SEC. Even his stint at Duke was in the south. Then again, money talks.
I didn't realize Tuberville used to coach at TA&M. Maybe he will take the job, but again, another southern boy. Something in the genes keeps them home. Maybe it's their wives.
Is anyone really considering Tedford for any coaching job? Why?
I have no idea who Mike Sherman is. I'm a college football snob. I quit watching the NFL when Jerry Jones bought the Cowboys.
- November 24, 2007 11:49 AM
- MGoBlue93 said...
Scary comments from Meyer... I can honestly say that if Meyer ever comes to Michigan, I will have serious problems supporting the team. I don't freaking care if Meyer has more success than Carroll at USC, I don't care if Meyer beats tOSU 10 years in a row... I will never root for a Meyer coached team. I hope Meyer isn't on the list of 30 potentials.
- November 24, 2007 1:15 PM
- Katie said...
ESPN has ND and Stanford on??? Are you kidding me? WHO CARES???
- November 24, 2007 3:40 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
"ESPN has ND and Stanford on??? Are you kidding me? WHO CARES???"
Smart people.
Katie, go back to what you were doing.
- November 24, 2007 4:05 PM
- Katie said...
Someone having a bad day?
- November 24, 2007 4:14 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
No ma'am. I'm having a great day. My team isn't looking for a coach in a crowded mall.
- November 24, 2007 4:17 PM
- Katie said...
I see. Thanks.
- November 24, 2007 4:21 PM
- Feelin' Blue said...
Urban Meyer is an asshole, but he knows how to win. I was somewhat impressed when I read those quotes by him; I thought that he hated UM. I still think that he's an ass. He's definitely better than Les Miles
I say CHUCK MARTIN FROM GVSU!!
- November 25, 2007 2:21 PM
- whetstonebuck said...
Anyone else monitoring the suicide watch over at Mgoblog? They are following a rumor that Michigan is offering the job to Iowa's Ferentz.
Funniest stuff I've read in a while.
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On Monday, the California agency responsible for licensing lawyers convened a two-week trial in San Francisco before a State Bar judge, who will consider seven allegations of corruption against Alexander. State Bar officials believe it's the first time disciplinary charges have been filed against an elected district attorney while in office.
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Does that include the idea — see Ipso Fatso, supra — that I'm surely going to vote for Obama?It's really quite weird. My regular right-leaning readers keep seeing me as secretly devoted to Obama, no matter what mockery I indulge in. They think I'm just trying to trick them into thinking I've got what I like to call cruel neutrality. And yet the left-leaning readers assume I loathe Obama.
I love that I'm so obviously totally for him and against him.
Somebody please explain.
What's so annoying about this is that I want to write things that are fresh and surprising. And seeming to be both for and against Obama should work for that end, and yet it doesn't, because everyone seems to assume I'm on the side that they are not. They think I'm predictable — but which way?
Oh, maybe I should be the opposite of annoyed. Pleased. Because I'm not giving anybody what they want, and yet people — some people, who are they? — keep reading. To be denied what you want and still want more from that source... I'm going to be happy to be that source.
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But it does have a pretty nice before and after.
In our house we have a really nice, huge bedroom upstairs that we're planning on turning into a nursery/kid's room eventually. It looked like this when we moved in...
This is also what you see first when you walk in.
I remember my first words to our realtor were, "That bed looks like a death trap." Yeah, it's built (fairly) nice and all, but built-in bunks aren't my jam... I'll explain why in a moment.
Back to the room...
It has a really nice little area with another window and a built-in desk. Which I really love because the desk is actually built really nice. See the top of the tiny little door to the right in the photo above?? Sort of to the left of the desk? There is a matching one on the wall across from it (behind the chair) and it is finished out with lights, carpet, walls. Just like a little play house. So those are super fun for a kid's room.
And here's a shot looking toward the other direction at the huge built-in bookshelves which we really love. Totally looks fine in the photo (from a distance), but the whole thing needs some caulk in certain areas, some trim that isn't complete, and a fresh coat of paint. Pay no attention to the "decor" on the shelf. This room is basically where all of the unused decor in the house comes to hang out.
There are outlets built right in for a tv one day. However, I think it will make an awesome changing area for a babe. :) And notice the little hinged "toy chests" built right in on each side. So neat.
In the photo above, the bunk is around that corner on the right. The room extends about another 5.5 feet or so around that corner. This room is kind of hard to photograph. Oh and all the scrap wood in front of the big closet? Yeah, spoiler alert... The bed came down. ha.
So my thoughts on built-in bunks...
I think they're a great idea if you have a spare room for guests and the such. If you do them really nicely in a way that doesn't look like they're just for kids. However, in an actual kid's room, they're kind of a waste. First of all, if we kept this, a child couldn't actually use the bed (safely) until they were about 4. This room, although large, has no other great place for a crib or bed.
Ok so back to the bunk... The hypothetical kid starts using the bed at, let's say, 4 years old. Who's to say said kid would even like a bunk. They freaked me out as a kid, personally. Then, (best-case scenario) if the child even likes the bed, they'll definitely outgrow it at some point. It's a tiny twin bed. Not to mention, bunks are only "cool" for so long as a child...haha. So let's say 12 is the cut-off. Just seems like a waste to me.
Now, buying a bunk bed for your kids that you can move around, that makes sense. Built-ins are just pretty permanent.
We had planned on getting brave and removing this thing for a while now but we've just kept putting it off. We were afraid mostly of the hole that would be left in the ground where the support comes down (What the heck would even be under there?), and the two main pieces of wood that connected the whole thing to the wall along the head of the bed and the side, which was secured with about 30 scary-looking bolts. I was nervous about the condition that would leave the walls.
So one night I decided to start the "demo". I was pretty excited to get rid of this thing that had become a storage area for reject throw pillows and the such.
lol. We're dorks. But seriously, all the screws were insane. I climbed up in the bed, as you can embarrassingly see above, and started unscrewing anything I could see that attached the rails. We didn't want to just tear into the thing because we wanted to keep our home and walls somewhat in tact. Brad was afraid to climb up in there for any extended period of time because, well, he's a man and he's bigger than me.
Then I removed the ladder...
Haha. Check out all that progress...
At this point we realized we needed a pry-bar for... prying... and so we made a run to Lowes and continued the job.
I should say, Brad continued the job. It got pretty intense removing some of the pieces. I went around removing all the screws that I could and he ripped the pieces down.
Not gonna lie, watching Brad rip this thing apart was really enjoyable. For many reasons. ;) Kind of a shame we don't have more things to tear down around here...
K, get your mind out of the gutter and stay on subject, Tiff...
Probably the hardest part of the whole thing was getting the large "bottom board" piece out that supports the mattress. I didn't get any photos of that because we were both struggling to get that thing free. Photos weren't exactly a top priority when we were trying to avoid crushing ourselves and sending a random piece of wood through the window.
The rest came down fairly easily...
We all know it's obviously easier to figure things out when you throw in a side-tongue.
Exhibit Q: More proof above of my tufted furniture problem... :/
The whole thing made Waylon a bit nervous with all the loud noises and giant pieces of wood being moved around. He's always had a bit of a phobia of large boxes and moving large objects. Silly boy. But he still liked being right up in the middle of the action.
You can see what the support beam left behind in the floor. Totally wasn't as bad as I thought. It's actually a piece of the old carpet from when the house was originally built surrounded by some wood pieces to support the beam which I unscrewed from the floor as Brad took down some other pieces from the wall. Our current carpet upstairs was put in brand new before we moved in. Not exactly what I would have chosen, but it's new and feels nice and it works. We'd like to eventually put hardwoods in the hallways upstairs to match what we have throughout the rest of the house. But personally, I still like carpet for bedrooms.
Back to the hole...
So I peeled it up, leaving the fresh-looking carpet pad beneath it and decided to improvise...
I cut out a piece of carpet from the floor of our tiny linen closet in our master bathroom. On the floor, we keep a basket that covers the carpet anyway. So I cut the piece I needed from the back corner. You can't see it in the closet even if you look for it.
Speaking of not being able to see it...
I actually like the paint color in this room. It's the same as the color in our master bedroom. It was freshly painted when we moved in. This room was really interesting before we moved in! The bead board was dark blue and the walls and ceilings were blue and white clouds. I can't even imagine what it was like for the painters to cover all that! Funny thing is, I think the color they used when they repainted it is the original color used when the house was built. Can you tell behind where the beams were on the bed?? It looks SO similar. In our basement on our electrical breaker box, the original paint color sheet is taped to the inside. They said the color they used originally for this room was China Doll by Sherwin Williams. So I think since it matches so well and I know I like that color anyway, I'm going to pick up a can of that and paint only those two walls and see how it blends with the others. We'll see!
As for all the mess left behind, I was expecting a room full of scrap wood. So pleasantly surprised that this is all we have to deal with. Haven't figured out what exactly we're going to do with it yet. It's really nice wood and it's not all busted up since we removed it nicely. We hate to just drop it at the dump, so we're going to see if we can find someone who may want it.
Possibly the most pleasant surprise of this whole project was how pleasant it actually was. We had been building it up in our minds since we moved in that this would be a lot more difficult than it actually was. We were shocked at how quickly it came down and how the floor and walls aren't totally destroyed.
Ahhhhh... such a relief that this house is officially de-bunked. I feel like one day, when we do have a little one on the way, it will be so nice to be able to enjoy fixing up the space and not having to do anything major like this.
This room is going to be SO fun to see come together when that time comes! For now, the goal is just to spackle/paint the walls and get it cleaned up. I know we wont make any more big decisions for this room (lighting, etc) until we've been expecting for a bit. Don't get excited just yet! Nothing to report. But I will of course keep you all posted as the house and everything else comes together!
Have you all tackled any projects like this before? Funny what a great stress-reliever tearing out something like this is. :)


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Age: 30
Family: Fiance, Michael Merrill; parents, Dr. Jerald and Ann Pyles; brother, Jason; and sisters, Amy and Bethany.
Occupation: Director of annual giving for Ravenscroft School in Raleigh.
You were a four-time volleyball state champion and state MVP during your time at Hendersonville High (1997-2001), then a standout at UNC-Chapel Hill. What have you been doing since you graduated college?
After graduating from UNC and working for a year, I attended East Carolina University, where I earned my M.S. in exercise and sport science, with a concentration in sport management. My cohorts (about 23 of us) were involved in all areas of college athletics at ECU — coaching, marketing and athletic training.
My first year I worked with the ECU volleyball team, but the second year I was with the Pirate Club, which is the athletic fundraising arm of the university. It was fulfilling to get a behindthe- scenes look at how a college athletic department operates, and to be able to contribute in some small way to the student-athletes' experience. Once I graduated, I stayed on with the Pirate Club for a little bit, then got a job at an independent school in Raleigh, fundraising and coaching its high school volleyball team.
What do you do now, and what do you like most about your job?
Now I am the director of annual giving for Ravenscroft School in Raleigh. The fundraising field appealed to me because of the people that work within it. Most often in fundraising, you find a group of people who share a passion and work together toward a common goal in a competitive atmosphere.
It's an environment I'm familiar with from my days of being an athlete. But my favorite part about my job is the relationships — with staff, donors, volunteers and board members. We are all here for a common goal and work as a team.
You've also been coaching volleyball — who has influenced your coaching style?
Even as a young player, I enjoyed getting into the gym with little volleyball girls and passing on what I know about the sport. Coaching has been an incredible journey for me, and my coaching style incorporates what I've learned from each of the coaches that I've had.
My high school coach, Mary O. Goebel, held me and my teammates accountable and taught us that nothing is given. Then my coach at UNC, Joe Sagula, took it to another level and aimed to create efficient and mentally tough competitors with little margin of error. Even my dad, a substantial athlete himself and my very first coach, is still perfect at simplifying complicated games: "The team that makes the fewest errors wins" is a common mantra from him. Much of what resonated with me as a player comes out of me as a coach.
Your father was a good athlete, and both of your sisters played Division I volleyball in college. What was it like growing up as the youngest in such an athletic family?
Dad played basketball at Georgetown and claims he was recruited to "boost the team GPA," as he was a star student and headed for the pre-med track. He's being modest, of course, and was an extremely talented player. But besides his height and the obvious athleticism, you might never know he played. He never put any pressure on us athletically, and both my parents were incredible to support whatever we had an interest in.
Being the youngest meant I had to work extra hard just to hang with my older siblings, Jason, Amy and Bethany, and I had a huge motivation to beat them at anything I could.
I remember the summer that I was finally able to hold my own on our backyard volleyball court. That was a plateau in my volleyball career on par with winning a state championship. Speaking of which, you should see our backyard volleyball games — Dad's still got it!
What do you remember most about your time at Hendersonville High?
HHS is a special place. It's a home for me, and I have so many memories there with some incredible people. Like many experiences, it's not where you are but who you are with. The family atmosphere gives students the perfect learning environment, and I personally could not be more thankful to be a part of the Bearcat family. Homecoming, Medieval Banquet, Symposium, Move-Up, the sundial, senior steps, Senior Play, Hail to the Red and White, Roll Out the Barrel, and Jump, Shake Your Booty — it's the traditions that connect the generations of HHS alumni that make being a Bearcat special. When your family has gone to HHS, you think everything that goes on there is normal, because that's all you've known. But once you leave Hendersonville, you try to relate to other people's high school experiences and you can't. You quickly realize that attending HHS is a unique experience.
What do you miss about growing up here?
The thing I miss most about being in Hendersonville is the small-town feel.
Everyone knows everyone, and the pace is slower. I had my grandparents down the street; I walked home from school and could ride my bike anywhere. It was picturesque, really. Fireworks at Jackson Park on the Fourth, trips to Piggy's, the Apple Festival and trick-or-treating in Towne Forest. I still go to McFarland's for doughnuts whenever I'm home.
What are your plans for the next few years?
Well, I'm getting married in May, so that brings about new changes that I'm very excited about. Besides that, there are always things in life you want to focus on, like spending time with the people you love, being passionate about what you do, helping people where you can and feeling like you are making a difference. So I'd say a goal I have is to stay balanced with family, career and health, and taking some time to live a little bit.
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GETTYSBURG, Pa. - With his new film about the 16th president in theaters, two-time Academy Award winning director Steven Spielberg was to make the keynote address during ceremonies that celebrate the 149th anniversary of "The Gettysburg Address."
Spielberg's remarks at Soldier's National Cemetery in Gettysburg on Monday were to be accompanied by a recitation of the famous speech by a Lincoln re-enactor. Sixteen citizenship candidates from 11 countries were scheduled to take the oath of allegiance.
The event at Gettysburg National Military Park was expected to take about an hour, and was free. Previous speakers include presidents Harry Truman and Dwight Eisenhower, and former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge.
Carl Sandberg, in his biography of Lincoln, said it was a speech that conveyed the message that democracy was worth fighting for.
"It had the dream touch of vast and furious events epitomized for any foreteller to read what was to come," Sandberg wrote. "His cadences sang the ancient song that where there is freedom men have fought and sacrificed for it, and that freedom is worth men's dying for."
Gettysburg is where the U.S. military was able to stop an invasion of the North by Confederate troops under Gen. Robert E. Lee, a major turning point of the American Civil War. The 150th year since that battle will be marked in 2013, particularly around the battle's anniversary in early July.
"Lincoln," which stars Daniel Day-Lewis in the title role, concentrates on the period leading up to the president's assassination in 1865.
Lincoln gave the three-minute speech, which famously begins with the phrase, "four score and seven years ago," at the dedication of the cemetery four months after the battle.
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Atlanta Braves closer Craig Kimbrel, who led the Majors with 12 saves during August, has been selected as the winner of the Major League Baseball Delivery Man of the Month Award for August, marking the third career monthly honor for the right-hander. Kimbrel also captured the award in August 2011 and September 2012. This Major League Baseball award recognizes the most outstanding relief pitcher during each month of the regular season as voted on by a panel from Major League Baseball.
Kimbrel becomes the fifth pitcher to win the award at least three times, joining Trevor Hoffman (4), Joe Nathan (4), J.J. Putz (3) and Rafael Soriano (3). In addition, he joins Hoffman (2005-07) as the only pitchers to win the award at least once in three consecutive seasons.
Kimbrel went 1-0 and converted each of his 12 save opportunities during the month and appeared in 16 games, hurling 16.1 scoreless innings. The Huntsville, Alabama native permitted just eight hits with two walks and 19 strikeouts while holding opposing hitters to a .138 batting average. The hard-throwing 25-year-old opened the month with saves in three consecutive contests from August 2nd-4th at Citizens Bank Park against the N.L. East rival Philadelphia Phillies. Kimbrel notched five strikeouts over 3.0 innings pitched and yielded just two hits over the three contests. The Wallace State Community College (AL) product posted saves on consecutive nights against the Washington Nationals at Nationals Park on August 6th-7th, striking out the side in the first of the two contests. Kimbrel also fanned the side and recorded a save against the Nationals in Atlanta on August 18th. The third round selection in the 2008 MLB Draft recorded his third victory of the season on August 28th against the Cleveland Indians at Turner Field, tossing a perfect ninth inning before Chris Johnson provided the walk-off heroics in the bottom of the frame. The 2011 N.L. Rookie of the Year closed out the month with 5.1 perfect innings and three strikeouts over five appearances from August 25th-31st. Kimbrel did not allow a free pass in 15 of his 16 appearances during the month. On the season, the three-time All-Star is 3-2 with a Major League-best 44 saves and a 0.94 ERA.
Other relievers receiving votes included Los Angeles Dodgers closer Kenley Jansen (0-0, 0.73 ERA, 9 SV, 12 G, 12.1 IP, 2 H, 3 BB, 24 SO); Chicago White Sox closer Addison Reed (1-1, 1.56 ERA, 10 SV, 15 G, 17.1 IP, 10 H, 4 BB, 13 SO); and San Francisco Giants closer Sergio Romo (1-0, 0.87 ERA, 9 SV, 11 G, 10.1 IP, 6 H, 0 BB, 5 SO).
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A dig in the ol' crawlspace turned up even cruder earlier demos with alternate versions of the EP songs, plus over half-a-dozen others, heard only by a handful of people. A true labor of man-boy love, it took Jello Biafra years to pry this loose from the band. They kept insisting each album be housed in a 3-foot wide scale model of Gacy's house itself!
Now their affliction has subsided enough so that everyone finally has a chance to save their $200 "evil-Bay" bucks and grab a whole album's worth of mental illness before their condition comes back.
"Gacy's Place: The Undiscovered Corpses" compiles all three recording sessions by The Mentally Ill: The Starbeat Sessions, The Basement Sessions and The Crawlspace Sessions for a total of 20 tracks, nearly all previously unreleased!
"I once knew a guy who said this band sounded like "clowns playing hardcore." For some, it's too much to stomach. For me, it's paradise. This band's shtick was that they all met in an insane asylum, which may very well be true. Their first and only record, "Gacy's Place," was doomed to obscurity by a limited run and obscene subject matter. Luckily, the patron Saint of the bizarre, Jello Biafra, has reissued not only the original record, but the entire recording session it came from, as well as two previously unavailable practice tapes. It's some of the most foul, offensive, and insanely good punk rock circa 1978."
- Perfect Sound Forever
"Gacy's Place: The Undiscovered Corpses is the CD re-release of the 1979 7" by Chicago's twisted punk fiends THE METALLY ILL (I sit in a Chicago hotel room as I type this, somehow fitting). It includes all eight tracks from the original recording sessions plus a gaggle of other tunes recorded in various places.
This CD is basically centered in the original eight tracks, everything else is superfluous. It is amazing that these eight tunes were recorded in 1979 because they are still lyrically pernicious and disturbed by 2004 standards. One can't help compare the depravity here to the DAYGLO ABORTIONS or CRUCIFUCKS.
Musically this is tremendously raw, just as it should be. It is somewhat reminiscent of MEDIA DISEASE or UNITED MUTATION. It should be clarified that MENTALLY ILL predated all of my references, an influence, maybe?"
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"Of all the hotly sought-after original Killed By Death punk singles, few are as notorious as the Gacy's Place EP by THE MENTALLY ILL. The sleeve, the topics, the so-horrible-it's-amazing production values, that voice. Many in the know crown it the sickest punk record ever made. Now there's even more to loath--that's right, JELLO BIAFRA has worked years to unearth a whole album's worth of pure sickness from the boys, including the three tracks that started it all."
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