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(NEW) ECDIS Data Presentation and Performance Check for Mariners
In accordance with the guidance provided by the International Maritime Organization in Circular MSC.1/Circ.1503 as amended, ECDIS systems are expected to operate with Edition 4.0 of the IHO ECDIS Presentation Library from 1 September 2017.
Changes introduced in Edition 4.0 of the IHO ECDIS Presentation Library invalidate the tests contained in the ECDIS Data Presentation and Performance Checks published in 2011 which were specifically designed and developed for ECDIS using previous editions of the Presentation Library.
An ECDIS type approval certificate showing conformance with tests in Edition 4.0 of IEC 61174 demonstrates that the ECDIS operates with Edition 4.0 of the IHO ECDIS Presentation Library and therefore that the ECDIS does not have any of the identified ENC display anomalies.
An ECDIS type-approved in accordance with previous editions of IEC 61174 should also be operating with Edition 4.0 of the IHO ECDIS Presentation Library. If not it should be updated in order to comply with IMO guidance and to be free of any identified ENC display anomalies.
The subsequent guidance HERE describes the method by which mariners may check the ECDIS displays for the new ENC symbols contained in Edition 4.0 of the Presentation Library. The checks should be run at least once after installing an ECDIS. A re-run is recommended only after a software update, system upgrade or change of equipment.
If you detect any anomaly in the display, please contact the provider of the ECDIS and inform the IHO at info(at)iho.int.
This check is not intended for, and is not suitable to be used as a Port State Inspection / Carriage compliance test for ECDIS.


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Bilingual thoughts on life, language, learning, and all things Latina.
Monday, December 29, 2008
Diversity Rocks! Reading Challenge
I'm committing to reading 12 books by authors of color; at least six of these will be children's and young adult books, and the others will be adult selections. While I already read diverse authors (check out my bookshelf at the bottom of my blog) I welcome the challenge to read even more. I'm looking forward to seeking out diverse children's and YA authors in particular, as it will also benefit my students.
Thanks Ali, at Worducopia, for an exciting project for the New Year! Read On!
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- Saii said...
That's a great thing you're going to do
I love reading too
about your question on what's next for me...
I'm going to teach Reading, Spelling and Grammar to 6th. graders in a new school so I'm excited and N E R V O U S
- December 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM
- Dree said...
I'm in. I'm always looking for new books to read, for myself and for my students. Please share what you're reading... I'd love suggestions!
- December 31, 2008 at 12:35 AM
- Whateverebay said...
That is a wonderful idea!
I also want to thank you so much for my book. It arrived last night and I cannot wait to sit down tonight and start.
You have an interesting selection of books you have read. I did not realize there was a page Two to it. Consequently, I have several more books to add to my list.
Wish you the best - Happy New Year
- December 31, 2008 at 5:47 AM


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Travis Daniels and Ladarius Tabb plan to play basketball at four-year schools in 2013-14, but they're not finished at Shelton State Community College.
TUSCALOOSA | Travis Daniels and Ladarius Tabb plan to play basketball at four-year schools in 2013-14, but they're not finished at Shelton State Community College.
The two sophomores decided the early signing period was the right time to make their college choices official. Daniels, a 6-foot-8 forward from Russellville, signed with Mississippi State. Tabb, a 6-5 forward from Newbern, signed with Alabama A&M.
"This is a good day for me," Daniels said. "It's a big relief because I feel like I accomplished something in my life that I never just sat and thought about accomplishing. It's a good feeling to know I'm going to a good home, a good team, a good school. It was a good situation for me."
Mississippi State has a new coach in Rick Ray.
"When I went on campus, it was everything they told me," said Daniels, who is considering business management as his major. "They didn't sell me a dream. They just kept it real. They told me what they wanted out of me, what kind of player they saw I could be."
"I liked it on campus. They have good fans, good people. I have two AAU teammates that are there, Roquez Johnson and Craig Sword. They're great guys. My plan is reuniting and playing with them."
Playing in Shelton coach Barry Mohun's fast-paced system, Daniels learned how to run the floor.
"I'm a 6-8 point forward," Daniels said. "I can handle the ball. I can shoot the ball. I've got a great IQ. I'm very talkative on the court. I'm a very unselfish player. I think I'm a very versatile player. I can play inside and out.
"Junior college helped me a lot. It helped my maturity level. It helped me as a basketball player. It helped me as a person. It helped me as a student-athlete. Hard work pays off."
Tabb joined the Bucs after playing high school basketball at Francis Marion.
"It means a lot," Tabb said. "Growing up, I always wanted to go play at a bigger school, a university. I finally got that chance, and it's a great feeling. Waiting until April, you never know what's going to happen, so I wanted to go on and do it now."
Alabama A&M's location was deciding factor for Tabb, who described himself as a "mama's boy."
"I love my mama," he said. "I wouldn't be here without her, so that was a big part of everything."
Willie Hayes is the coach at Alabama A&M, which is scheduled to play at Mississippi State on Dec. 30.
"They said they're getting a basketball player," said Tabb, who wants to pursue a career in sports management. "Everywhere I go, I'm going to hustle. I bring effort to the table.
"I stopped here because most of my family said, 'You might not be ready for a jump straight into a university.' Coach Mohun helped me out a lot. He helped me out with my speed, my energy. I want to thank God for allowing me to have this opportunity and thank my family for being there for me when I needed them the most."
Mohun said signing early should allow Daniels and Tabb to concentrate on basketball and academics as they finish out at Shelton State.
"I think it's comforting both ways for them," Mohun said. "Sometimes the uncertainty of the future can play big in their minds. I'm sure it's a big relief getting that over with.
"I really enjoy watching them play. I know with Ladarius, Alabama A&M will be a great fit because they play a similar style. He's just energy and effort everywhere. Once he tires out, give him a minute or two break and he's back at it again. He's just fun to watch.
"With Travis, they really like his versatility. Like he does for us, he's inside and outside. They plan to use him both ways at Mississippi State. He'll probably play the (wing) position, and there could be some size problems for the other team. With him being able to handle it and also shoot it on the perimeter, I think that he'll be a great fit for them."
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CAMBRIDGE, Mass.—Marshall Everson scored two goals, Patrick McNally logged three assists and the Harvard men's hockey team came back from a goal down four times to tie Massachusetts, 4-4, Friday night at the Mullins Center.
Playing on an Olympic-size ice surface for the first time this season against a team unbeaten at home, the Crimson (3-3-3) battled back four times in front of a crowd of 4,618. Alex Killorn and Tommy O'Regan also scored, while Danny Biega notched two assists for the third straight game. The forward line of Everson, Killorn and Alex Fallstrom totaled 27 shots on goal, including 11 by Killorn alone.
UMass (4-7-4) scored in the first two minutes of the game and within about a minute of each of Harvard's first three goals. Kevin Boyle made 40 saves as Harvard put a season-high 44 shots on goal. Steve Michalek stopped 31 of 35 UMass shots. The Crimson was 2 for 6 on power plays, while allowing its opponent only one man advantage for the second game in a row.
The Minutemen scored just 99 seconds into the game, as Conor Sheary finished off a pass from T.J. Syner on a 2-on-1 rush. UMass took the 1-0 lead to the first intermission, as Boyle got a shoulder on an Everson wrist shot from the slot in the final minute. The Minutemen held a 9-7 edge in first-period shots.
Mike Seward made a nifty move stepping into the center of the offensive zone to draw a hook, and another Minuteman high-sticked Fallstrom, setting up Harvard for a two-man advantage. UMass killed the first penalty, but Everson scored shortly thereafter. The junior backhanded in the rebound of a Danny Biega shot after a point-to-point pass from Patrick McNally.
Massachusetts regained the lead barely a minute later, off the stick of Colin Shea. Killorn made it another tie on Harvard's next power play, with his team-leading sixth goal. He shot and scored on the rush after passes from McNally and Biega.
Again, UMass had an answer, from Danny Hobbs at 15:04 of the period. The Minutemen led, 3-2, after two periods despite allowing Harvard 17 shots on goal in the second period.
Harvard did not convert on its first power play of the third period but instead evened the score at even strength. After a defensive-zone draw, McNally moved the puck forward to Fallstrom. The junior faked a shot inside the offensive blue line and carried the puck deep before centering to Everson for a redirection to tie the score at 3-3 at the 7:26 mark.
Michalek appeared to keep the game knotted with a pair of point-blank saves on Steven Guzzo, but the UMass forward's third attempt crept over the goal line, 65 seconds after Harvard had tied the game. The Crimson got even again at 12:04, when O'Regan deflected Danny Fick's point shot out of the air following a pass from Colin Blackwell on the half wall.
UMass took the puck deep into the Harvard zone right after the opening draw of overtime, but Sheary plowed through Michalek to give Harvard a power play nine seconds into the extra session. The Minutemen killed the penalty, with Harvard's best chance coming on a stuff attempt by Everson at the right post. Boyle later stopped Fallstrom on a wraparound chance. Harvard threatened on a rush in the closing seconds, but the game ended in the Crimson's second straight tie.
Harvard held a 14-10 shots advantage in the third period and a 5-3 edge in overtime.


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Ninety-three Big 12 student-athletes have earned the inaugural Dr. Gerald Lage award, the Conference's highest academic honor.
The honor is in memory of Lage, who served as the OSU faculty athletics representative with the NCAA and the Big Eight/Big 12 Conference from 1983 until his death in 2007. He was the chairman on three occasions, in 1985-86, 1993-94 and most recently in 2003-04.
Lage had been a member of the Oklahoma State family since 1966, when he joined the College of Business Administration as an assistant professor. During his tenure at OSU, he served as the director of graduate studies in the department of economics (1974-77), head of the department of economics and finance (1978-84), director of the OSU Center for International Trade and Development (1985-87), and associate dean for research and graduate programs in the college of business administration (1997-2004).
In order to be eligible for the accolade, student-athletes must have lettered at least once in their career while maintaining residence at their institution for at least one academic year. The honoree, which can only be recognized once, should have 100 hours of earned credit with a cumulative grade-point average of 3.80 at the time of nomination.
The Dr. Gerald Lage award winners will receive public recognition at the Phillips 66 Big 12 Basketball Championships this week.
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The Oldest Small School Rivalry in the South did not disappoint in its 116th edition, as the back-and-forth battle was won by the host Tigers. Though going down 14-0 in the first quarter, Hampden-Sydney scored 28 unanswered points en route to a 31-28 victory. The Tigers advance to 9-1 on the year and 5-1 in the ODAC and will await to hear their destiny for a possible playoff bid to the 2010 NCAA Division III Football Playoffs. The selection show will be on broadcast on ESPNews tomorrow, Sunday November 14, at 3:00 pm.
It was a rocky start for the Tigers, who coughed up two fumbles on their first three drives of the game. The second fumble came on a punt return, which was dropped on the Hampden-Sydney four yard line. Two plays later, Thaddeus Scruggs was in the end zone to give the Jackets the early 7-0 lead.
On the ensuing Hampden-Sydney drive, Corey Geiger (Chesapeake, VA/Western Branch) had his punt blocked and recovered by David Fetter for Randolph-Macon's second score of the game just ten minutes into the contest.
Neither team could find the edge offensively, with each side trading punts into the second quarter. Hampden-Sydney's first drive of the second quarter, however, was the turning point. Junior Travis Lane (Richmond, VA/Mills Godwin) connected on his first three passes to Kyle Vance (Onley, VA/Broadwater Academy) and Andrew Bruckner (Chesterfield, VA/L.C. Bird) for 41 yards to kick start the offense.
After continuing to march, Lane made a one-yard dive on fourth-and-goal to put the Tigers on the board and cut the deficit to 14-7.
After the Tiger defense forced a three-and-out, the offense continued to roll, and four plays into the drive, sophomore Evan King (Lewisburg, WV/Episcopal)burst out for a 41 yard run and the tying touchdown with just over six minutes to play in the half.
The Tigers weren't done in the stanza, finding the end zone one more time. With junior Sean Cavanagh (Midlothian, VA/Clover Hill)catching three passes for 54 yards, Lane easily found Bruckner for the two-yard score. With the third touchdown, Hampden-Sydney took its first lead of the game at 21-14 heading to intermission.
Randolph-Macon started the second half with a promising drive, that was ending with a Trevor Ikwild (Philomont, VA/Loudoun Valley)interception at the Hampden-Sydney 39 yard line. Ikwild returned it 35 yards to the Randolph-Macon 26 yard line to set up the Tigers' next score.
Five plays into the drive, Lane found the end zone yet again, this time on a one-yard scamper.
The Jackets were down, but not out. The compileda 14-play drive that lasted over six minutes and ended with a Scruggs four-yard touchdown run. With the score, it was back to a one possession game at 28-21 in favor of Hampden-Sydney.
Steven Fogleman (Mechanicsville, VA/Hanover) returned the ensuing kickoff to the Randolph-Macon 43 yard line giving Lane and the Tigers great field position. On a third-and-six play, Lane hit Cavanagh for a big 29 yard gain that kept the drive alive. Four plays later - and in the fourth quarter - junior David Prizzia (Jacksonville, FL/Episcopal) nailed a 33-yard field goal to go up 31-21.
After two traded punts, Randolph-Macon began to march down the field. After over five minutes of play, the Yellow Jackets were in a fourth-and-four situation at the Hampden-Sydney 12 yard line. The Jackets set up for a Josh Storm field goal, but it sailed right preserving the ten point Tiger lead.
The Jackets defense forced a three-and-out to get another chance. This time they capitalized, with a Greg Petrovichsix yard touchdown run with just 49 seconds on the clock, making it a 31-28 game.
Luckily for the Tigers, senior Bill Doody (Fort Lauderdale, FL/Cardinal Gibbons) recovered the onsides kick, allowing Hampden-Sydney to run out the clock with the victory.
The game marked the final for the 20 seniors on the Hampden-Sydney roster, who compiled a 36-6 record over their four years.
On the day, Lane threw for 299 yards and a touchdown on 28-of-45 accuracy. Vance caught nine passes for 86 yards, while Cavanagh had a game-high 125 yards on seven receptions. King rushed nine times for 66 yards and a touchdown, and Lane had two scores on the ground.
Vance has now become just the third Tiger receiver to amass over 1,000 receiving yards in a season.
Petrohovich had 199 yards for the Jackets and Earl Peoples was his favorite target, catching eight passes for 68 yards.
Defensively, Hampden-Sydney allowed 309 yards of total offense, and Ikwild was again the high-man with 12 tackles and an interception.
Hampden-Sydney's fate now lies in the hands of the NCAA Division III Football Committee, which will announce the 32-team field tomorrow afternoon.


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Shall I drink 7 or 14 bears tonight?
What do you make of Old man Clint's speech last night?The dude was talking to a goddamn chair, man... (another thing that reminds me of my grandpa's house... R.I.P)
Polka, do you ever make yourself real drinks like a real man?
Also, should I start one of these threads?
Also, (and I wasn't asked here so feel free to ignore this) "I'd give my left nut" is clearly a play on "I'd give my right arm".
Stop trying to steal my thunder, thunder-thief.
polky, now that youre left with one nut do you change your name to ballcutblues?
1. Isn't this thread just a blatant grab for easy karma?
2. Is it me or has your drinking and therefore general xixax activity gone way up since you got married?


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TI-83 Plus Graphing Calculator For Dummies
TI-83 Plus Graphing Calculator For Dummies
ISBN: 978-0-764-55920-4 January 2004 288 Pages
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- Perform basic arithmetic operations
- Use Zoom and panning to get the best screen display
- Use all the functions in the Math menu, including the four submenus: MATH, NUM, CPS, and PRB
- Use the fantastic Finance application to decide whether to lease or get a loan and buy, calculate the best interest, and more
- Graph and analyze functions by tracing the graph or by creating a table of functional values, including graphing piecewise-defined and trigonometric functions
- Explore and evaluate functions, including how to find the value, the zeros, the point of intersection of two functions, and more
- Draw on a graph, including line segments, circles, and functions, write text on a graph, and do freehand drawing
- Work with sequences, parametric equations, and polar equations
- Use the Math Probability menu to evaluate permutations and combinations
- Enter statistical data and graph it as a scatter plot, histogram, or box plot, calculate the median and quartiles, and more
- Deal with matrices, including finding the inverse, transpose, and determinant and using matrices to solve a system of linear equations
Once you discover all you can do with your TI-83 Plus Graphing Calculator, you'll find out how to make it do more! This guide shows you how to download and install the free TI Connect software to connect your calculator to your computer, and how to link it to other calculators and transfer files. It shows you how to help yourself to more than 40 applications you can download from the TI Web site, and most of them are free. You can choose from Advanced Finance, CellSheet, that turns your calculator into a spread sheet, NoteFolio that turns it into a word processor, Organizer that lets you schedule events, create to-do lists, save phone numbers and e-mail addresses, and more.
Get this book and discover how your TI-83 Plus Graphing Calculator can solve all kinds of problems for you.
Table of contents
Part I: Making Friends with the Calculator.
Chapter 1: Coping with the Basics.
Chapter 2: Doing Basic Arithmetic.
Part II: Advanced Functions, Complex Numbers, and Solving Equations.
Chapter 3: The Math and Angle Menus.
Chapter 4: Dealing with Complex Numbers.
Chapter 5: Solving Equations.
Part III: Dealing with Finances.
Chapter 6: Finding the Best Deal.
Chapter 7: Loans and Mortgages.
Chapter 8: Savings and Investments.
Part IV: Graphing and Analyzing Functions.
Chapter 9: Graphing Functions.
Chapter 10: Exploring Functions.
Chapter 11: Evaluating Functions.
Chapter 12: Drawing on a Graph.
Part V: Sequences, Parametric Equations, and Polar Equations.
Chapter 13: Graphing Sequences.
Chapter 14: Exploring Sequences.
Chapter 15: Parametric Equations.
Chapter 16: Polar Equations.
Part VI: Probability and Statistics.
Chapter 17: Probability.
Chapter 18: Dealing with Statistical Data.
Chapter 19: Analyzing Statistical Data.
Part VII: Dealing with Matrices.
Chapter 20: Creating and Editing Matrices.
Chapter 21: Using Matrices.
Part VIII: Communicating with PCs and Other Calculators.
Chapter 22: Communicating with a PC with TI ConnectTM .
Chapter 23: Communicating Between Calculators.
Part IX: The Part of Tens.
Chapter 24: Ten Great Applications.
Chapter 25: Eight Common Errors.
Chapter 26: Eleven Common Error Messages.


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Durban, South Africa, 2 December 2011 (IUCN) – Africa's most awarded airline, South African Airways, and the world's largest environmental union, IUCN, have teamed up to launch a unique climate change awareness campaign to coincide with the start of the UN's Climate Change Summit in Durban.
South African Airways (SAA) and IUCN are aiming to promote a better understanding of the role nature can play in adapting to the impacts of climate change.
Videos produced by IUCN will feature as part of the in-flight entertainment package during SAA flights connecting more than 25 countries worldwide. SAA passengers will be able to learn from the environmental videos and articles in the in-flight magazine about the latest developments and efforts to support communities in adapting to climate change, such as the role forest landscape restoration can play in mitigating climate change impacts.
"We are delighted to see SAA take a leading role within the airline industry in actively encouraging its travellers to be more informed on the role of nature as an important part of the climate change solution," says Stewart Maginnis, Director of IUCN's Environment and Development Group. "This is particularly relevant at the onset of the Durban Climate Change Summit, where some of the best prospects for progress include ecosystem-based adaptation to harmful climate change impacts and the global implementation of a mechanism for Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Forest Degradation (REDD+)."
"Sharing environmental awareness messages across the globe by partnering with IUCN highlights SAA's commitment to making a positive contribution to a greener world. The use of SAA's inflight entertainment system to adequately inform all our customers around issues pertaining to climate change is a key part of our responsibility as an airline," says Barry Parsons, Executive in the CEO's Office: Strategy, Planning & Project Management, South African Airways.
South African Airways are a member of Star Alliance, a global network of 27 airlines. Star Alliance support's the travel needs of IUCN as part of the Biosphere Connections campaign and is now looking to emulate the IUCN-SAA collaboration by promoting the work of IUCN on other member airlines.
"Star Alliance has been transporting IUCN teams across its global network for a number of years under its Biosphere Connections programme to enable them to further their knowledge and skills. Therefore we strongly support this initiative between IUCN and our first African airline member, South African Airways, as further endorsement of our commitment toward all aspects of environmental sustainability," says Christian Klick, Vice President, Corporate Office, for Star Alliance.
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In farming, it's certainly not an uncommon practice to purchase new equipment in order to save on taxes. Unfortunately, this year the predilection to write off those shiny new tractors, planters and combines might come back to haunt the industry, says Paul Neiffer, The Farm CPA.
Four strong years of income, coupled with the opportunity to accelerate depreciation, led some farmers to buy more equipment than they needed. Under Section 179, farmers could buy up to $500,000 in equipment and depreciate it immediately.
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"The problem is that a lot of that equipment has been financed over five or seven years," says Neiffer. Although farmers might have a tiny interest rate on the loan, they could still have to make a $100,000 principal payment on a new combine.
This year, farmers who bought equipment just to save on taxes could get hit with a double whammy. Without the benefit of a deduction to claim, they could wind up paying taxes on $100,000 more income than the previous year. "Section 179 is nice in the beginning, but it eventually catches up with you," says Neiffer.
Although the House passed legislation extending Section 179 tax benefits—expensing levels dropped to $25,000 in January—the Obama Administration opposes the extension without a corresponding revenue offset. In Neiffer's mind, that dooms passage of an extension until after the mid-term election, when it might be too late to make an informed equipment purchase decision.
"I tell farmers that Section 179 for 2014 is basically zero," says Neiffer, who recently met with a farmer client who bought a new tractor the year before just to save on taxes. The farmer boasted to him that "we never even use it."
Moral of the story: Never buy equipment just to save on taxes. Buy it to improve your operation and bolster cash flow. "Then it makes sense to take advantage of the tax benefits," Neiffer says.
Buying non-essential equipment, much like prepaying too much grain expense, soaks up working capital that could be used to buy additional farmland, invest in a retirement plan (which in many cases can produce a tax deduction just as good as the one for buying equipment) or invest in higher-yielding outside financial assets. "Farmers focus too much on the farm and forget other financial assets," he says.
"The problem is that you can't drive it. You can't show off to your neighbor," Neiffer says. "But 30 years down the road, when that combine that you paid $300,000 for is now worth $10,000, that retirement plan that you put $300,000 into over a 30-year period may be worth $3 million."


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Article 410 of the NEC covers luminaires, lampholders, lamps, decorative lighting products, lighting accessories for temporary seasonal and holiday use (including portable flexible lighting products), and the wiring and equipment of such products and lighting installations. Even though Art. 410 is highly detailed, it's broken down into 16 parts. The first five are sequential and apply to all luminaires, lampholders, and lamps, providing mostly mechanical information. Part VI focuses on wiring. The rest of this Article addresses specific types of lighting, except for parts 7, 9, and 10, which provide requirements for manufacturers to follow.
The 2008 NEC added allowances for LED luminaires in clothes closets but inadvertently allowed an LED luminaire to be installed in a clothes closet only if it was identified for that application. The true intent is to allow an LED luminaire to be installed directly within the closet storage space when it's identified for that application.
Due to the remarkably low amount of heat created by LED luminaires, they're acceptable anywhere in the closet without special identification for the application — except in the actual storage area. The Code is now clear on the requirements for installing an LED luminaire in a clothes closet. The word "only" was added to the opening statement of 410.16(A), clarifying that only the luminaire types in this section are permitted in a clothes closet (see SIDEBAR: Luminaires in Clothes Closets below).
Another way the NEC recognizes the increasingly widespread use of LED luminaires is seen in the updated requirements for boxes and wiring methods for electric-discharge luminaires to include LED luminaires [410.24] (click here to see Fig. 1).
In previous editions of the NEC, the rules addressing the grounding and bonding of luminaires have been a hodgepodge of requirements in an illogical arrangement. Changes to Part IV of Art. 410 make for a more user-friendly Code. Although the changes are editorial — not technical — they are welcome, all the same.
Don't forget that Art. 250 applies to all electrical installations. The "grounding" requirements for luminaires are actually bonding requirements (see Art. 100 definitions). Ensure your lighting system is properly bonded by attaching it to the equipment grounding conductor in accordance with the requirements of 410.44 and Art. 250, Part V (click here to see Fig. 2).
The rules governing cord- and plug-connected electric-discharge luminaires have been updated to include LED luminaires in Art. 410, Part VI.
Because LED drivers and electric-discharge luminaires are quite similar, the logical place to include LED requirements is alongside those of electric-discharge luminaires. Where LED luminaires are supplied by means of a cord and plug connection, they must comply with the provisions of 410.62 (click here to see Fig. 3).
Luminaires as Raceways
In previous editions of the NEC, if you wanted to find out whether or not you could use a luminaire as a raceway, you would find the answer in 410.64. The answer was a resounding "no." Section 410.65, however, acted as an exception to this rule.
The problem with this arrangement is that the NEC user probably had stopped looking for allowances to the rule of 410.64, because there were no exceptions to that section. By deleting (2008) 410.65 and incorporating its text into 410.64, the Code becomes an easier document to navigate, understand, and correctly apply.
Installation of Lampholders
Previous editions of the Code specified lampholders in damp or wet locations must be of the weatherproof variety. While this makes sense for wet locations, it doesn't seem to make sense for a damp location. The 2011 NEC now requires these lampholders to be listed for the environment in which they're installed [410.96].
Section 410.11 has long required that luminaires installed near combustible material contain shades or guards to prevent the ignition of surrounding products. Although that requirement certainly makes sense, there's a gaping hole in the rule — it doesn't address lampholders.
Lampholders often contain lamps that produce more heat than a standard luminaire, and seldom has an apparatus been designed to contain that heat. Because lampholders aren't included in the definition of luminaires, the new section 410.97 was added. The location of this new requirement in Part VIII (Installation of Lampholders) also is logical. Lampholders must be constructed, installed, or equipped with shades or guards so that combustible material isn't subjected to temperatures in excess of 90°C (194°F).
Recessed Luminaires
The requirements of Art. 410, Part X apply to luminaires installed in the recessed cavities of walls and ceilings. Over the years, the applicability of this application has been called into question. Many users of the NEC have seen a nonexistent loophole that provides an exception for luminaires in suspended ceilings. Consequently, the technical committee provided a long-standing formal interpretation to clarify that these rules do, in fact, apply to suspended ceilings. This Code change takes that formal interpretation and puts it right in the NEC text, alerting Code users to this fact.
"410.110 General. Luminaires installed in recessed cavities in walls or ceilings, including suspended ceilings, must comply with this part."
With the 2011 revision of the NEC, the recessed luminaire installation requirements specifically mention LED luminaires [410.116(B)]. Where LED luminaires are of the recessed type, they must be marked as "Type IC" — or have a clearance of 3 in. from thermal insulation.
Discharge Lighting
Since its inception in the 2005 NEC, the ballast disconnect in fluorescent luminaires has increased the safety of electricians and maintenance workers. New to the Code with the 2011 revision is a requirement that does just that. When you change the ballast on an existing luminaire, you must add a disconnecting means [410.130(G)(1)]. These inexpensive disconnects can provide several benefits (see SIDEBAR: Benefits of Ballast Disconnects below), as shown in Fig. 4 (click here to see Fig. 4).
Design Considerations
Article 90's statement that the NEC is not a design guide is arguably the most true when applied to lighting. A lighting design must account for aesthetics, lumen density, color rendition, energy efficiency, automation and control needs, and many other considerations the NEC does not cover.
Lighting may serve any of several purposes, and often serves two or more at the same time, including general illumination, task lighting, security, emergency exit, and even complex choreographed lighting for entertainment. Making it even more interesting, indoor lighting, outdoor lighting, and entry way lighting all have differing requirements.
Good lighting design begins with a hard look at the specific areas being lit and the intended use. The architect, industrial engineer, and plant engineer have different ideas on what is most important in a lighting design for a given facility. The electrical engineer drawing up the plans to power the lighting is probably the only one thinking in terms of lighting transformers and lighting panels. Whatever the final design, the luminaires, lampholders, and lamps must be installed in accordance with Art. 410.
SIDEBAR: Luminaires in Clothes Closets
Incandescent luminaires with open or partially open lamps and pendant-type luminaires must not be installed in a clothes closet [410.16(B)].
Only the following types of luminaires are permitted to be installed in a clothes closet [410.16(A)]:
- Surface or recessed incandescent or LED luminaires with an enclosed light source.
- Surface or recessed fluorescent luminaires.
- Surface-mounted or recessed LED luminaires identified for use within the closet storage space.
Even then, there are minimum spacing requirements away from storage spaces, depending on the type of luminaire. Luminaires must maintain a minimum clearance from the closet storage space as follows [410.16(C)]:
- 12 in. for surface-mounted incandescent or LED luminaires with an enclosed light source.
- 6 in. for surface-mounted fluorescent luminaires.
- 6 in. for recessed incandescent or LED luminaires with an enclosed light source.
- 6 in. for recessed fluorescent luminaires.
Surface-mounted fluorescent or LED luminaires are permitted within the closet storage space if identified for this use.
SIDEBAR: Benefits of Ballast Disconnects
Ballast disconnects, now mandated by the NEC, easily justify their cost. The first and foremost consideration is, of course, increased safety. However, another benefit is that the use of ballast disconnects can shorten the downtime required to properly change a ballast. In some cases, changing out a ballast may include:
- Lockout/tagout to prevent shock hazard to the electrician.
- Roping off the work area to prevent any conceivable injury to other workers, such as falling tools.
Changing the ballast while the circuit feeding the luminaire is energized has been a standard practice where there's no local disconnect. But it's an unsafe practice to work with energized conductors. Even if the worker does not sustain a fatal shock, a subsequent fall off a ladder can cause death or injury.
With ballast disconnects installed, you don't need lockout/tagout or the use of PPE, and that shortens your task list, which can result in an increase of overall productivity. Ultimately, any safety innovation that will help make sure that you come home in one piece at night is certainly well worth the bother and expense.


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OSLO, NORWAY and WASHINGTON, D.C. — The awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to Al Gore and the United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is a triumph for the planet and its inhabitants, who will increasingly struggle to adjust as the world warms.
"It is with extreme satisfaction that we receive the news that Gore and the IPCC have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize," said Oystein Dahle, Chairman of the Board of Worldwatch Institute and a leading Norwegian environmentalist. Speaking from his home in Oslo where the Prize was announced, Dahle said, "With their decision, the Nobel Committee has for the second time signaled that peace with the environment is an essential requirement if we are to have peace between human beings."
The awarding of the Prize reinforces the importance of the environment in global security policy. The work of hundreds of IPCC scientists convened by the UN has been crucial to establishing a scientific consensus about the urgency of climate change. Gore, who has spent years studying the issue and its impacts, has used his famous film and slide show to bring a greater awareness of climate change to a wide popular audience.
The IPCC has concluded that as the world warms, storms, droughts, and floods will intensify, leading to increased natural disaster risks.
Populations already living in areas prone to drought or extreme weather patterns, many of them with limited capacity to adapt and cope, will face even greater challenges. Climate change will also overtax the world's food and water systems, which will exacerbate conflicts over resources. The world's poor, many of whom lack adequate water, sanitation, or reliable food supplies, will be most directly affected.
The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to an environmental leader for the first time in 2004. Wangari Maathai from Kenya was honored for founding the Green Belt Movement, which has helped women plant over 30 million trees in Africa. Worldwatch welcomes this renewed focus on the connection between human needs, security, and the environment, a theme that will resonate throughout the 21st century.
"Climate change is the greatest long-term threat to peace and security the world has ever known," says Christopher Flavin, Worldwatch Institute President. "This prize marks another turning point for the climate issue—the question now is whether law makers around the world will rise to the challenge of implementing new treaties and laws that reduce the world's dangerous addiction to fossil fuels."


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LOUISVILLE, Ky. | A group of Kentuckians waited 15 days too long to sue attorneys in Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky after discovering they had been shorted in a settlement involving the diet drug fen-phen, so they are barred from trying to collect damages, a divided Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday.
LOUISVILLE, Ky. | A group of Kentuckians waited 15 days too long to sue attorneys in Mississippi, Alabama and Kentucky after discovering they had been shorted in a settlement involving the diet drug fen-phen, so they are barred from trying to collect damages, a divided Kentucky Supreme Court ruled Thursday.
The group knew "with mathematical certainty" by Oct. 13, 2006, that attorneys in Alabama, Mississippi and lawyer J. Brent Austin of Lexington had shorted them $18,000 each from individual settlements over the drug, but didn't file suit until the end of October 2007, Justice Daniel Venters wrote for the court.
"They may not have understood why they were shorted or where the money went, but as of that date, they knew or should have known that they had a cause of action, and they then had one full year to investigate further," Venters wrote.
Justice Will T. Scott, joined by Justice Mary Noble, dissented, saying the court applied the wrong statute of limitations. In this case, a five-year limit should have applied under Kentucky law because Austin's only role in the case was to facilitate the transfer of the plaintiffs from the Kentucky fen-phen case to the Alabama case and distribute checks. That doesn't qualify as professional services protected by the time limit, Scott wrote.
"The action of disbursing money alone cannot be considered a professional service; otherwise this Court would be forced to apply the one-year limitation ... to occupations such as bank teller," Scott wrote.
The case stems from a long-running lawsuit over the diet drug once it was pulled off the market. The Kentuckians were sent to the law firms of Langston, Sweet and Freese of Jackson, Miss., and Beasley, Allen, Crow, Methvin, Portis & Miles of Montgomery, Ala., by three now-disbarred attorneys from Kentucky in a complex deal to help beef up both legal cases.
Both the law firms involved in the suit have since split up. Fen-phen was pulled from the market in 1997 after users had heart problems related to the drug.
Attorneys William Gallion, Shirley Cunningham Jr., and Melbourne Mills considered the group to have "low value" claims against American Home Products, the makers of fen-phen. But the trio offered the bunch to the Alabama and Mississippi attorneys to help the attorneys in an Alabama lawsuit reach a numerical threshold to qualify their suit for class-action status. The two groups hired Austin to facilitate the transfer of the plaintiffs as well as handle the payouts.
The Alabama case ultimately settled about 3,000 claims for $47,500 per person. Austin, who was responsible for disbursing the money to the Kentucky participants, paid them $29,500 each, but never disclosed the full terms of the settlement or that it had been handled in Alabama.
Venters concluded that the Kentucky plaintiffs weren't harmed by the settlement itself, which had been handled properly, but rather by the disbursement of the checks. Because the checks were distributed in Kentucky, the one-year statute of limitations for professional legal services kicked in, cutting off the lawsuit when it was filed too late, Venters wrote.
"Appellants suffered no injury or damage by the manner in which Appellees handled the litigation in the Alabama court," Venters wrote. "By every account, they achieved a generous settlement of their claims."
Gallion, Cunningham and Mills eventually settled their case for $200 million on behalf of 431 plaintiffs. Over the following decade, the case devolved into a series of criminal, civil and legal disciplinary cases that claimed the careers of at least six of the lawyers involved.
Gallion and Cunningham, one-time owners of champion racehorse Curlin, are serving federal sentences after being convicted of bilking their clients out of millions from the settlement. Both resigned from the bar. Mills was acquitted at a federal criminal trial, but disbarred for his role in the scheme.
Gallion, 62, who is serving a sentence in a federal prison in Oakdale, La., is scheduled to be released in 2029; Cunningham, 58, is being held in a federal prison in Yazoo City, Miss., and won't get out until 2025. A federal appeals court upheld their convictions in January 2012.
The high court disbarred Ohio attorney Stanley Chesley in April for his role in the settlement. Chesley, who has denied any wrongdoing in the settlement, has since retired from the legal profession.
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FRIDAY, May 24, 2013 (HealthDay News) -- Two out of five medical students have an unconscious bias against obese people, a new study found.
The study authors, from Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center, noted the anti-fat stigma is a significant barrier to the treatment of obesity. They concluded that teaching medical students to recognize this bias is necessary to improve care for the millions of Americans who are overweight or obese.
"Bias can affect clinical care and the doctor-patient relationship, and even a patient's willingness or desire to go see their physician, so it is crucial that we try to deal with any bias during medical school," study lead author Dr. David Miller, associate professor of internal medicine at Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center, said in a center news release. "Previous research has shown that on average, physicians have a strong anti-fat bias similar to that of the general population. Doctors are more likely to assume that obese individuals won't follow treatment plans, and they [doctors] are less likely to respect obese patients than average weight patients."
The study, which took place over the course of three years, involved more than 300 third-year medical students. Although all of the students attended a medical school in the southeastern United States from 2008 through 2011, they were originally from many different parts of the United States as well as 12 other countries.
Using a computer program called the Weight Implicit Association Test, the researchers were able to measure the participants' unconscious preferences for fat or thin people. The medical students also completed a survey to determine if they were aware of any weight bias they had.
The study revealed that 39 percent of the medical students had a moderate to strong unconscious anti-fat bias. Seventeen percent had a moderate to strong anti-thin bias. The researchers added that less than 25 percent of the students were aware of their biases.
"Because anti-fat stigma is so prevalent and a significant barrier to the treatment of obesity, teaching medical students to recognize and mitigate this bias is crucial to improving the care for the two-thirds of American adults who are now overweight or obese," Miller said. "Medical schools should address weight bias as part of a comprehensive obesity curriculum."
The study was published online May 23 in the Journal of Academic Medicine.
More information
The Yale Rudd Center for Food Policy & Obesity provides more information on weight bias and stigma.


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Additional Rinnegan Images
Someone should add the picture of him awakening the Rinnegan and avenging his parents death, and a picture of his Rinnegan when he saved Yahiko. ItachiWasAHero (talk) 08:46, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
If it was changed that Rinnegan gives the user five chakra natures instead of six, shouldn't be Yin, Yang and Yin-Yang Release removed from Nagato's infobox?--LeafShinobi (talk) 16:48, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
- The Sage's Creation of All Things Technique uses those.--Cerez365™ 17:14, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
When was it changed, in the tankoban? Skitts (talk) 18:32, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
It was changed in the latest edition of volume 41. Although I suppose we should keep it seeing as aside from that one panel, we do have sweeping statements from the databook, Jiraiya and Ibiki praising the lengths of Ninjutsu the Rinnegan can go without discriminating against Yin-Yang; the Genjutsu blocks (the doors within the Amegakure shinobi whose was being interrogated by Inochi) and the mass Genjutsu on Amegakure do illustrate Nagato's Genjutsu skill thus his skill in, at least, Yin chakra.
The only issue I'd say would be saying Nagato mastered Yin and Yang along with Yin-Yang at the age of 10, but I see that's been fixed. Though it depends on what constitutes as mainstream Ninjutsu, if it includes Yin-Yang then Nagato's should stay. But I think Ibiki's comment does seal the deal supporting the idea that Nagato can use Yin-Yang with the Genjutsu examples.
Nevertheless, the mechanisms of Yin-Yang are still unknown, for all we know he may not have the ability to use them or maybe he does, depending on said mechanisms. But I would say keep it the same. --Jingo12 (talk) 21:26, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
But that is not the wikia policy. If a character is implied to be able to perform a technique due to a Kekkei Genkai, but was never seen or said to be performing that technique, it is not listed. Otherwise Tobi should be listed as a Wood Release user, as he has Hashirama Senju's cells, and everyone knows that by implanting the shodai Hokage's cells into oneself they can acess the Wood element and Madara Uchiha should be listed as a user of all five nature transformations and a Yin Release, Yang Release and Yin-Yang Release due to possesing the Rinnegan.Undominanthybrid (talk) 14:48, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
Kabuto's comment
Shouldn't we add how Kabuto believed Nagato (one that can move) could have possibly changed the outcome of his battle against Naruto, B and Itachi under his 'abilities'?
It does reinstate and enforce his being 'extraordinarily powerful' vibe you get from the wiki.
What are your thoughts? --Jingo12 (talk) 15:06, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
I agree.—This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- Actually it's unnecessary, Nagato's strength speaks for itself enough in his article. In any battle, being unable to walk/move could always pose a huge issue. (unless you're Gaara etc) The point is, that if he could move it might or might not have changed the outcome of the battle.---Cerez365™ 03:57, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't that be good enough to add that Kabuto believes Nagato's movement might have been able to change the outcome, even if we tag a 'might' on it as the relevant page does really does glare on it. For instance, when I read the article I get the idea that it took Naruto, Killer B and Itachi's combined power to beat him yet when I reread the chapter I get the idea that Kabuto believes the mobility would have changed the outcome (which is why his movement was mentioned at all).
I just believe that the page/comment should be accounted in the article in some fashion as it does seem pivotal in regards to Nagato's ability.--Jingo12 (talk) 19:55, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
Title issues
Shouldn't his title of Sannime Rikudo should translate to the Third Rikudo?, The Sage was the first, and Madara was the second. 184.108.40.206 (talk) 13:27, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
- It says "Third of the Six Paths" isn't that the same thing?--Cerez365™ 13:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
Nevermind, it just doesn't seem right. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:55, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Erm, that's the same thing. O.o Rikudō is the romaji form of the word Six Paths I'm pretty sure. Skitts (talk) 05:40, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
Lightning Release
When did Nagato used a Lightning Release technique? --Omojuze (talk) 15:27, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Due to Nagato having the Rinnegan, he can use all the elements. --KiumaruHamachi (talk) 15:55, November 15, 2011 (UTC)KiumaruHamachi
- But Tobi and Madara also have rinnegan... So how about them?--Omojuze (talk) 16:16, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
- If my memory serves, Jiraiya mentioned that Nagato could use all. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:19, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
- Rinnegan allows one to master the five elements, but you still have to learn them. Jiraiya explicitly said Nagato had mastered all of them by age ten. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 16:46, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
- If my memory serves, Jiraiya mentioned that Nagato could use all. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 16:19, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
- But Tobi and Madara also have rinnegan... So how about them?--Omojuze (talk) 16:16, November 15, 2011 (UTC)
an error ?
Sharingan ? --Elveonora (talk) 05:00, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Check Tankōbon, if different add to Chapter-Tankōbon_Differences. — SimAnt 05:33, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
- That's a well known mistake that manga clearners made.. —This unsigned comment was made by 126.96.36.199 (talk • contribs) .
- Well thats why it would be good to check raws as well i guess. Thanks for the info. — SimAnt 05:46, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
- Added.--Cerez365™ 13:24, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
How come
There isn't a image of him first awakening his Rinnegan on his profile? He was clearly shown to have awakened it against his parents murderers. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 18:21, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- Because we already have an image showing a close-up of his Rinnegan. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:29, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
- And the image wouldn't really depict a scene, just the eye.--Cerez365™ 18:31, January 8, 2012 (UTC)
I'm really tired right now so I'm not 100% sure but I don't even think there is a mention of him awakening it against his parents murderers at all on his wiki entry like there should be 126.96.36.199 (talk) 06:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
Kekkei Genkai
The Rinnegan is a kekkei genkai right? What about the Six Paths of Pain and the Path abilties are they kekkei genkai too? 188.8.131.52 (talk) 17:15, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Yes o.o--Cerez365™ 17:20, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
oh, well just wondering why the Naraka, Asura and Preta Path's jutsu weren't labelled as such? They can be labelled in the Rinnegan section right? 126.96.36.199 (talk) 17:24, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
Not all of the techniques (specifically, the ones you mentioned) are Rinnegan-only techniques, the Rinnegan just allows the user to use them. All from the 3rd Databook by the way. o3o Skitts (talk) 18:09, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
- But they are labelled as such, as far as I can see.--Cerez365™ 18:12, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
Huh? Isn't he talking about the jutsu that those Paths use? For example, Blocking Technique Absorption Seal isn't a KG. Skitts (talk) 18:14, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Oh their techniques; I totally didn't see the 's. Well then... what Skitts said.--Cerez365™ 13:59, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
So stuff like Soul Removal and Blocking Technique Absorption Seal and the Asura weapons can be classified in his ninjutsu section right? or should it be written in his rinnegan or six paths section? 18.104.22.168 (talk) 09:30, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
Blocking Technique Absorption Seal can be classified as ninjutsu, the rest are apparently part of the six paths, so they should probably go there instead of the rinnegan section --TricksterKing (talk) 09:48, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
Third Rikudou
Why there is a confusion here ? The first time the chapter 510 was released , nagato was called the third sage of the six paths according to ShounenSuki's translation on this wikia , but when i revisit nagato's page , i found it was changed to the third of the six paths . that happened also to tobi's page . so what is the problem ? --Chaos90 13:28, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Though it has seemingly disappeared from this wikia, Shounensuki did not translate it as "Third Sage of the Six Paths" but as "Third of the Six Paths". This reminds me that we need to ask him to do so once more so we can have a reference.--Cerez365™ 13:43, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
Better to wait for anime I think ... --Elveonora (talk) 14:01, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Better... to whut? I don't think you're allowed to even say that phrase here ._.--Cerez365™ 14:04, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
i think he did . go to this page and read the point of " Masks " ! JK88 said that and ShounenSuki confirmed it . --Chaos90 14:18, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
- If it's all the same I'd like to wait for him to respond to the message I left him because firstly in that thread he put the words "Sage of the" in brackets which when used like that, normally means that it wasn't said and is just there to clarify the statement. Secondly I've seen stuff like conversations he's had with other users where "Third of the Six Paths" was used and he didn't correct them so I'd prefer we have something more concrete with an explanation and everything.--Cerez365™ 14:28, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
ok , that is a good idea . --Chaos90 14:36, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
@Cerez ... Yes, anime. It's the 4th most believable source right after Kishi, manga and databooks. They did as many things wrong as they did right. So anime is gonna be the top #1 clarification for this when the episode is released. Even if their translation will differ from ShounenSuki's, stating: "Anime translated it wrong, our translator ShounenSuki did it right" will not help.
People look at wiki right after manga and anime. So telling someone "ignore what anime said, just listen to some random guy on wiki anyone can edit" would be silly.
Even he is a human and can be mistaken. --Elveonora (talk) 15:31, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
Actually... no. For me at least if we were to count, the anime would be the fifth "reliable" source of information since Shounensuki is trusted more than them. I really don't see how the animators factor into this any at all in the first pace when it's a simple routine thing as asking him for a translation. Also, people who don't want to trust "random people" shouldn't be looking at wiki articles anyway since that's what wikis are built on. If someone ends up asking "how comes it's not what the anime said it is?" the answer will still be "we got a direct translation from out resident translator"--Cerez365™ 15:37, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
i searched about this and found that the viz copy confirmed that nagato is the third sage of six paths and tobi is the second . so what is your openion about viz ? http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=41691131&postcount=296 // http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=41693627&postcount=299 --Chaos90 19:40, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
- To be honest I still don't really know what "Viz" is exactly lol :s. But any way I was looking around today at the Japanese version of the chapter againt the Sage's name [六道仙人] and Nagato's moniker for example [三人目の六道] you'll note that the only part of that name that's the same is the "六道" which means Six Paths/Realms. I'm about 95% sure that the translation that we have "Second/Third of the Six Paths" is correct, it's just for Shounensuki to reconfirm it.--Cerez365™ 19:52, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
- Viz media is the ones that do the official anime subs & releases. And yeah, a litteral translation would something like "Third of the six paths" not "Third Sage". —This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
lol , never mind ! i wish i could explain this to you , but i am bad at english and explanation . so i am with you for Shounensuki's reconfirmation . --Chaos90 20:01, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
Confirmation.--Cerez365™ 21:44, January 10, 2012 (UTC)
ok , that means that the third of the six paths and the third sage of the six paths are false . and that means there are no actually new paths other than rinnegan paths, which are six . so tobi and nagato represent " the six paths " . thank you ! --Chaos90 00:07, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
They're meant to represent a new Sage, possessing his powers and abilities via his bloodline and/or having his eyes. Skitts (talk) 00:55, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
Akatsuki and Pain
Was there a scene in the manga/anime where the rest of Akatsuki saw the other Pains other than the one that looks like Yahiko?—This unsigned comment was made by 188.8.131.52 (talk • contribs) .
- Don't think so. The only members that have seen the other paths are Konan & Zetsu. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 12:32, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
- Tobi knew about them at least.--Cerez365™ 12:40, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
Yesh! Thought so. Thank you both! This helps me a lot, you have no idea. ^^—This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .
Shadow clone
When did Nagato use a shadow clone in the anime? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:21, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Episode 131. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 15:54, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
a portion of the true rinnegan power
at third databook it was said that pain rinnegan might have possessed a portion of rikudou's rinnegan power . is this just about the scale of techniques just like rikudou's moon and nagato's version ? or it refers to the techniques themselves , that rikudou might have possessed an addition techniques more than nagato , like creation of all things for example ? because if the later is the intended , then it shall be added to nagato and rikudou's pages . and this what the page of databook said " it is not known whether this supreme ocular jutsu that pain possesses has the full scope of power or just a portion of it . " --Chaos90 19:11, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
- I think that the "unknown if this is a Rinnegan power" refers to the channelling Rinnegan powers through the corpses and sharing vision. About power scale, Nagato says when he uses Chibaku Tensei that his technique pales in comparison to the Sage. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 19:15, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
- <editconflict/>I don't understand... Why does that need to be mentioned? Nagato possessed the Rinnegan, he wasn't the Sage incarnate neither is Madara. No one can have his power or any one else's for that matter except for that person. The same thing is exemplified amongst Hyūga mostly.--Cerez365™ 19:16, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
i think it should be added because some of the current events require that . for example , madara has a full power rinnegan , which developed from a sharingan . he could use a meteor with shringan / rinnegn cooperation . rikudou also has the creation of all things technique depending on his rinnegan . but nagato has neither of them . --Chaos90 19:24, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
- What exactly is a "full-power Rinnegan"? I haven't seen Madara do anything particularly amazing with the Rinnegan that Nagato hasn't. As for pulling down that meteor it's an entirely different case of stamina with an immortal body vs. one that was severely emaciated. You're simply assuming Nagato could not do these things.--Cerez365™ 19:34, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
it is not that . creation of all things = uchiha + senju , so normally nagato could not use it . meteor = susano + gravity path , son nagato also could not use it . --Chaos90 19:55, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
That does not mean he had a weaker Rinnegan, eyes are eyes ... as he had no Uchiha blood it's pretty self-explanatory he could not use Susanoo and Creation of all things --Elveonora (talk) 21:23, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
- Creation of all things requires Yin and Yang-natured chakra and possibly a dōjutsu. Him not being an Uchiha has nothing to do with anything.--Cerez365™ 21:27, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Not really, Sage was 2 bloodlines and since Izanagi is a lesser/derivered version of creation of all things, Nagato having no Uchiha blood makes sense he could not uste it. --Elveonora (talk) 22:09, March 4, 2012 (UTC)
Being that he has Izuna Uchiha's Eyes that Madara turned into Rinnegan Eyes, and those eyes still possess Uchiha DNA, and Uzumaki are related to Senju, Nagato should not have any less abilities and usage of it than Madara. TBH Cerez is right, he was emaciated and controlled by Kabuto when he wasn't emaciated so you can't use that as a comparison. Nagato mastered the Rinnegan and didn't really use much else in battle so I am sure he is better with it than Madara who only has been using wood release, susanoo and fire release techs. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:31, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
Real Nagato?
When Kabuto proceeds to blackmail Tobi with the coffins, we can clearly see that one of them is Nagato's ( Pic ), but later on we see that Konan has their bodies in a special shrine ( Pic ); is this a discrepancy or is there some other story to it? (I haven't read the manga) Ikazuuyr13 (talk) 14:02, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
- The one in the coffin isn't the real body. It's made out of dirt and ash with Nagato's soul inhabiting it. Read the Summoning: Impure World Resurrection article for more.--Deva 27 14:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for clearing that up =) Ikazuuyr13 (talk) 15:54, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
His Rinnegan origins
Something got me thinking ... Nagato's eyes are stated by Tobi to belong originally to either him or Madara (Unknown if he is speaking of Uchiha Madara as of himself or not) Thus Nagato is the 3rd So6p with Tobi or Madara being the 2nd So6p. As Sage was 2 bloodlines in one (father of both Senju and Uchiha ancestors) By logic Nagato should be partially an Uchiha, but that's not the case since he is stated to be an Uzumaki even with red hair and has not shown any Uchiha powers/traits.
Thus this confirms that he as an Uzumaki that was given Sharingan before he awakened it as a Rinnegan, even possibly Tobi's/Madara's own Eternal Mangekyou.
Sorry if it's too speculative to include in articles, but it's an actual "hypothesis" based on manga. --Elveonora (talk) 23:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
Why do you always bring up that speculation stuff in talk pages? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 02:04, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
That's what is stated/implied in manga along with the most logical conclusion. --Elveonora (talk) 15:56, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
- None of this was stated or implied in the manga — it's pure speculation. The talk page is supposed to be used for stuff that can improve the article.--Cerez365™ 16:05, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
I was the one who gave Nagato the Rinnegan Sage was 2 bloodlines Nagato is the the 3rd Rikudo
It's quite obvious that Nagato's and Uchiha Madara's eyes are one and the same unless Rinnegan eyes do grow on trees ... more supported as real Madara recognize Nagato. As Tobi said that Rinne Tensei was meant to be used for his own sake, he meant for Madara's sake as he was meant to get revived with it. Nagato is stated to be the 3rd Rikudo, Tobi/Madara being the 2nd ... and as Sage was 2 powers/bloodlines in one, then it means Nagato as a descendant of the younger son was given Uchiha Madara's "eyes" to make him "Sage" and Tobi in disguise of "Madara" took them back because they were "his" When you progress beyond the Sharingan, there lies Rinnegan. And as Madara is the only person to get EMS with Sasuke being the 2nd, it's exactly what the manga says when you read the chapters together so I'm not speculating or making things up --Elveonora (talk) 17:35, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
You still don't get it do you...
- Unless Kishimoto writes it into his story or through another medium... everything you connect has the possibility of being wrong and as such is speculation because it can be refuted by someone else's perspective.
- Talk pages are supposed to be used to enhance the articles, not offload what you're thinking. As it is this entire section should be removed.--Cerez365™ 17:42, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not telling someone to edit the pages nor I want to change them myself. I'm asking for a change of the line from "Tobi stated he gave Nagato the Rinnegan" to "Tobi stated Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan" as everything Tobi says he has done was until the chapter "no one" under the premise he is Uchiha Madara. --Elveonora (talk) 17:49, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
No, that is what Tobi said. Until stated otherwise it should remain as it is now.--Deva 27 17:54, March 10, 2012 (UTC)
Picture of Walker
There was previously a front view picture of Nagato in his walker. I understand that the image it was replaced with is better suited for the purpose of the image, but perhaps the original image of Nagato in the walker can be placed under the section, Appearance, as what he looks like in his walker. Diamonddeath (talk) 06:43, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
new wind release
Shouldn't we put the new wind release technique nagato showed in 253? His hands weren't clapped together so it can't be gale palm.--184.108.40.206 (talk) 17:20, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary. --Elveonora (talk) 18:01, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
- If anything, he could be dropped under Danzō Shimura's Wind Release: Vacuum Sphere. Not a big fan of going off to create a new technique though.--Cerez365™ 19:22, March 9, 2012 (UTC)
Nagato in the afterlife and not sealed with the susanoo?
Nagato said that he is going to see Naruto and Jiraiya in the afterlife,but the sword of susanoo sealed them in a genjutsu world and not in the afterlife. Itachi stop Kabuto summoning impure ressurection,but should Nagato being release to the afterlife and not in the susanoo sword? —This unsigned comment was made by Mju (talk • contribs) .
- We don't know. Don't trouble yourself too much with technical stuff like that.--Cerez365™(talk) 21:07, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Only Gods knows, I mean Kishi--Elveonora (talk) 21:19, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
Should the Sage of the Six Paths be classified as Nagato's ancestor? I think I remember Jiraiya saying something along the lines of it. Well, I'm not sure if I could back up my claim, but his Uzumaki lineage could probably give fealty to it or just how the rinnengan (I hope I spelled it correctly). Anyways, I was just wondering and I hope somebody has some answers for me and can start a discussion about it.--Black Ronin8 (talk) 00:13, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Black Ronin8
- Unless more information comes out, we aren't saying that the Uzumaki clan has any link to the Sage of the Six Paths, they are just related to the Senju Clan. TricksterKing (talk) 00:30, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
Oh, thanks for responding. Although it would be pretty awesome if he was related to the Sage of the Six Paths.--Black Ronin8 (talk) 01:01, July 18, 2012 (UTC)Black Ronin8
Jiraiya just believed that Nagato is the Sage reborn. He had no knowledge for we know about his Uzumaki lineage.--Elveonora (talk) 11:37, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
No. KKinkaku and Ginkaku are descendants of the Sage but he isn't listed there. Nagato and them would be around the same area of distant relation and either way you take it, if Nagato's an Uzumaki then he's related to the Sage, it's just a matter of how convoluted the lineage gets.--Cerez365™(talk) 11:42, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
Isn't it something akin to not directly related, not being listed? Nagato might not even have any Sage's blood in him.--Elveonora (talk) 12:12, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
But he's an Uzumaki. And all Uzumaki are either possibly:
- directly descended from the Sage
- descended from a Senju
And all Senju are descended from whom? The Sage. That's what I meant by convoluted, any way you take it, he'd technically have the "Sage's blood" in him simply because he's an Uzumaki.--Cerez365™(talk) 12:53, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
No, where did you read that? Uzumaki for we know are as related to Senju, as some of their women marrying to the latter. Some Senju might have married into Uzumaki thus some of them having "Sage's blood", but the "original" pure blood Uzumaki may not be related to Sage in any way. So in other words, Nagato might have had some Senju blood in him if he had an ancestor married from/to Senju only.--Elveonora (talk) 13:06, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
earth release
He has used hiding in rocks or something technique in anime against Naruto--Elveonora (talk) 16:03, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
- When exactly? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:26, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
When transformed Naruto hammered him into the ground and when hiding before his tailed beast ball. (planetary devastation)--Elveonora (talk) 00:46, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
Naruto hammering him into the ground isn't a technique. Don't recall the other scene, will look it up. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:50, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
- I believe the part you're talking about was when the Deva Path was hiding in the hollow of a tree, not earth. And when he was hammered into the ground, I'm not sure what that fodder was that the anime did (where he got up like a puppet on strings) but I'd call that a bansho/shinra tensei mix.--Cerez365™(talk) 01:06, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
Omni, I know Naruto hammering Pain into the ground isn't a technique, Pain hiding under a ground and getting from it is.--Elveonora (talk) 01:51, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
i agree with cerez on this one. it looked more like a bansho ten'in or shinra tensei, seeing as to how in that same episode pain used bansho ten'in to pull the rock formation that was above him and drop it on naruto from above.184.108.40.206 (talk) 06:01, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
It didn't look like it at all "_" I would post a link it they were allowed. he clearly went underground--Elveonora (talk) 08:54, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
in the video games all the time nagato is pull chunks of rock out of the ground and chucking it at the enemy. the anime just did something similar. you could compare it to in the anime when jiraiya fought all 6 paths of pain tendo used bansho ten'in to pull the rock wall from behind jiraiya to fall on him. the only reason earth release was given to him is because jiraiya said he mastered a five chakra natures, and in the anime in jiraiya's flashback he used earth release earth style wall.18.104.22.168 (talk) 10:59, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
Shippuden episode 167 3:28, 9:02--Elveonora (talk) 13:05, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
at 3:28, that was simply tendo using bansho ten'in to pull some of the rock out to block the path of some of naruto chakra arms. at 9:02, that was simply him using bansho ten'in (he even said bansho ten'in) to pull the rock out and make it fall on naruto.22.214.171.124 (talk) 13:23, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
also that tree obviously had an opening that he used to hide in, we didn't even see him merge with it or anything of that sort.220.127.116.11 (talk) 13:24, July 28, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
Jesus, I'm watching it on crunchyroll, there at 3:28 right after Naruto hammers him to the ground, he is merged with the ground and then jumps out. Later when hiding from the blast of Naruto's tailed beast ball he merges with the ground/goes underground to avoid damage--Elveonora (talk) 16:22, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
i don't watch crunchyroll, the version i watch doesnt have the opening or ending songs. him pulling himself out of the ground, any ninja could do it, i mean ninja jump high and powerful. he's the akatasuki leader he could get himself out of the ground. also he never ever and i mean never, cross my heart and hope to die, merge with the groun. he simply hid inside the already hollow tree, i mean you could see that it was hollow, it showed the edges of were it was hollowed out when he stuck his hand out to use the chibaku tensei.184.108.40.206 (talk) 00:17, July 29, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
question O_O
Konoha got hold of one Pain corpse, even after "death" (the corpses aren't alive to begin with, it was just disabled/dysfunctional lol) it still had the Rinnegan, so how they don't just plug out it's eyes to get Rinnegan?--Elveonora (talk) 21:44, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
we dont know how the six paths of pain "bodies" get the rinnegan in the first place. heres a question, how did tobi make his six paths of pain "jinchuriki style":) get rinnegan in one of their eyesockets when he went through so much trouble to get nagato's corpse because he didn't have the rinnegan? we don't know how the six paths of pain's bodies in the first place, it's possible that the rinnegan disapear a little while after using them stops, kinda like how those manipulated by the sharingan have sharingan reflected on their eyes.220.127.116.11 (talk) 23:55, July 29, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
That's exactly what I thought, that it's just a "reflection" due to the Rinnegan's users chakra going throughout the corpses, similar how a Sharingan appears sometimes like in Kurama's case or something. The corpse still does have the Rinnegan though, in the autopsy room I think--Elveonora (talk) 00:23, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
its not concrete. we still dont know ufn.188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:38, July 30, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
I've been wondering that too. So waht if they removed the rinnegan from the Pain corpse back at Konoha and transplant into somebody? Will they have all of it's power?--Black Ronin8 (talk) 08:14, July 31, 2012 (UTC)Black Ronin8
- To reword 18.104.22.168; we have no idea. All we know is in the article. Jacce | Talk | Contributions 08:17, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
not to spam, but as a response to black ronin8, the rinnegan is so rare that its beleived to be just a myth, if the rinnegan where permanent or anything more than reflection (type of things) than rinnegan would be everywhere.220.127.116.11 (talk) 08:24, July 31, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
unable to use legs...
Was it ever stated in manga why he wasn't capable of walking after being reincarnated?--Elveonora (talk) 00:08, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
even though itachi and the other edo tensei's didnt show any signs of being affected by a disease that they had, nagatos legs were permanetly damage, remember edo tensei revives the people how they were at the time of their death, that means like if the person had no left arm when they died they would resurected without a left arm.220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:16, August 4, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
It's not necessarily that. Nagato's case could simply be one of lost muscle memory. It's like when people get in accidents, they have to go through rehabilitation to learn how to reuse the limb etc.. Nagato just simply "forgot" how to walk and with no time for rehab, his feet weren't very usable through he did use them to walk a bit with Itachi and such, though if you notice their pace was slow and such.--Cerez365™(talk) 10:43, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
true that does make sense considering that kimimaro nor itachi even seemed like they had illnesses.184.108.40.206 (talk) 10:48, August 4, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
So the reason was a lost nerve connection between his legs and brain, right?--Elveonora (talk) 15:53, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
Strongest Akatsuki
In what chapter is it mentioned that Nagato is the strongest akatsuki? ManggaJambu (talk) 13:39, August 19, 2012 (UTC)ManggaJambu
- I don't recall that ever being mentioned. Why do you ask? --Cerez365™(talk) 13:53, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
Eyes question ?
In the last chapter 602 Madara state that he has given his eyes to someone else .. could it be Nagato? Since Tobi claim the rinnegan was his and he did everything on the real Madara behalf ..--Tchad1 (talk) 12:34, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
- It could. Wait for the rest of the story to unfold first.--Cerez365™(talk) 12:38, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
I'm surprised there's still a doubt, obviously most if not everything Tobi/Obito said about "I, Madara" was in his behalf. Thus Madara knew Yahiko and gave Nagato his eyes--Elveonora (talk) 22:55, September 19, 2012 (UTC)
Probably what happens, but these dots are very sensitive. They don't need to be connected, people can get the idea themselves, even if it's not written down. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 00:01, September 20, 2012 (UTC)
- Yeahm but shouldnt we still mention Tobi/Madara's claim in some way on this article and or the rinnegan article? --Gojita (talk) 19:04, September 21, 2012 (UTC)Gojita
Since Nagato has been confirmed to have the real Madaras eyes, should we also include the Shiringan on his page? Even though he is never seen to use them, and might not be able to 'deactivate them' just like Kakashi cannot 'deactivate' his Sharingan, the eyes do contain the Uchiha blood and are in fact Sharingans, use the Sharingan power to use the Rinningan, and are just Sharingans displaying the advanced form of the Rinningan. Dragon Hacker (talk) 15:17, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
No, because in that case, we would have to add Sharingan to So6p's infobox as well--Elveonora (talk) 15:24, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Not entirely true/accurate. The Sage has little or nothing to do with the Sharingan. Madara's eyes are what is in question here. However, I do agree that the Sharingan shouldn't be added to Nagato's infobox because he's never used it. Not because that's where those eyes originated, means Nagato should be listed as a user.--Cerez365™(talk) 15:32, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Since the Sharingan is a prerequisit to the Rinningan, every Rinningan technique requires using the Sharingan. For example, when a character uses wood release, we add earth and water to the page, because we know that the character must use them to make the wood, even if they are never seen using water for example. The Rinningan requires the Sharingan, and uses the Sharingan eye for every technique, just like if a character is only seen use the M. Sharingan, we add the regular Sharingan to theirpage, since it is a techniqure dervied from it... like the big ball resangan to the resangan. Dragon Hacker (talk) 17:47, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Thats a different thing. Nagato could only use Rinnegan and not the Sharingan.~http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3.pnghttp://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s145/urbancowgurl777/UltimateSupreme2212-3talk.png 17:53, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
- Since the Sharingan is a prerequisit to the Rinningan, every Rinningan technique requires using the Sharingan. For example, when a character uses wood release, we add earth and water to the page, because we know that the character must use them to make the wood, even if they are never seen using water for example. The Rinningan requires the Sharingan, and uses the Sharingan eye for every technique, just like if a character is only seen use the M. Sharingan, we add the regular Sharingan to theirpage, since it is a techniqure dervied from it... like the big ball resangan to the resangan. Dragon Hacker (talk) 17:47, October 17, 2012 (UTC)
Actually you guys are wrong, the sharingan could or could not be added depending on what you decide but it would not have to be added to the SOT6P since he possessed the orginal rinnegan, that when he had children, gave birth to the weaker version the sharigan. the sharigan + the blood of the other line or senju, combine to allow user to use the original eye the rinnegan. look at it this way and the rinnegan the sage possessed does not need the sharigan at all. he would be an exception, and the only person so far to naturally have the rinnegan eyes--18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:24, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
We don't know if Sage's Rinnegan was natural, the Ten-Tails might have had something to do with it. Just because he was the first human to teach others how to use chakra and defeated a god/demon/whatever that thing is, doesn't mean he had to be "a chosen one" or something--Elveonora (talk) 21:56, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't it be noted (in trivia maybe) that although they are Madara's eyes, Nagato cannot activated or use any Sharingan techniques?... Perhaps the work of Madara himself, somehow sealing it away because, from what we've seen, all Sharingan transplanted to non-Uchiha remain activated... -- D!ABLO-32 (talk) 20:20, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
That would be speculation. So far, all transplanted Sharingan can't go to a lesser form, but can go up from there and back to it. Transplanted Sharingan can't be deactivated, but can change to MS and back. No strictly MS transplanted known (eye removed while MS was on). Rinnegan follows that pattern, in that it can't be deactivated back into MS. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 23:50, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
Madara's Gift
Was the reason that Madara gave Nagato the Rinnegan ever stated? My theory is because Madara was an Uchiha and Nagato was the closest person that could properly wield his Rinnegan because of his Senju blood. Am I close to being right? Can someone help with this please? 220.127.116.11 (talk) 17:18, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
I know. This is my first actual post on this site but I've been reading for a few months now. I just want to explain to my friend(relatively new to The World of Naruto) how Madara giving Nagato the Rinnegan happened and it bothers me that I don't know the actual reason why. Thanks for answering by the way Cerez, you're legendary around here! 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:55, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
There aren't many Uzumaki or Senju to choose from anymore, Nagato was also a perfect fit since he was a child in the middle of a war, Obito used the trauma to make him "Pain" but that's just our best guess, more might be revealed--Elveonora (talk) 22:14, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Elveonora! 188.8.131.52 (talk) 12:53, October 24, 2012 (UTC)
Nagatos Air Bullet jutsu is not Anime Only
Hi im a huge Nagato fan and i was reading through the manga and found out that under Nagato's jutsu list...The jutsu "Air Bullets" or also called "Cyclone Blow" or " Fuuton:Reppushou" has been listed as an Anime Only Technique which it is clearly not. Go to Chapter 373, page 12 and it shows Nagato performing the technique against Jiraiya when he was a kid. You should edit it, Your welcome :) Leafff (talk) 03:09, November 10, 2012 (UTC)
It is not the same. The air bullets one is simply him spitting out balls of heavily condensed chakra infused air. Wind release: Reppushou is an entirely different technique, its a powerful gust of wind, not wind bullets. in fact, here is the 3rd databook entry- Wind Release: Gale Palm (風遁・烈風掌, Fūton: Reppūshō) ■ Ninjutsu, C-rank, Offensive, Supplementary, Short to mid-range (0–10m) ■ User(s): Nagato
When he presses his hands together, a violent wind sets out faster then the speed of sound!!
This technique transforms chakra and creates wind. When one's hands are clapped together, this wind is compressed and evolved into a fierce gale. The Gale Palm as just a isolated attack has the power to easily knock over a human. However, it's true value comes from using it in an attack together with projectile weapons like shuriken or kunai. The speed with which they fly through the air, the power with which they hit, and their ability to wound or even kill are all increased several times!! 126.96.36.199 (talk) 04:01, November 10, 2012 (UTC) yomiko-chan
Eye transplant
Madara was a grown man when he transplanted his eyes. Nagato was a child. How did they fit?--—This unsigned comment was made by 184.108.40.206 (talk • contribs) .
- Lmao. You cannot be serious. You really think this series takes into account the size of eyes?--Cerez365™(talk) 09:01, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
You both can't be serious, right? The eyeball is one of few things on/in the human body, that doesn't grow in size from birth. SusanooUnleashed (talk) 09:15, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
- That's not true, I think at least. The eye actually does - for want of a better word - "grow" about 25% from childhood into adulthood. Though there are a lot of arguments for and against this, I've found that there is more scientific evidence for it than against.--Cerez365™(talk) 16:17, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
- If eyes did not grow, every living person would either have myopia or hyperopia from day one, or else would never develop it. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 20:23, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
Great Fireball Technique?
In episode 131 of the flashback of Nagato using 4 of the 5 elements, he used an unknown Fire Release technique. Seeing that the Great Fireball Technique isn't always portrayed as just a fireball, should he be listed as a user? --OmegaRasengan (talk) 21:46, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
- Has it? I don't really recall a non-ball-looking GFT. If it was just a generic looking Fire Technique, considering he was Jiraiya's student, I'd list him as a user of Fire Release: Dragon Fire Technique. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 01:10, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Yes, for a second thought it could be also Fire Release: Flame Bullet but that uses oil, thus it's as you said dragon fire--Elveonora (talk) 12:13, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
Yeah I added him as user back then but Deva went and reverted it.... --OmegaRasengan (talk) 03:38, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
These Nagato production Art's
One of them shows his height but I can't see it too well. http://i1151.photobucket.com/albums/o628/NiceBlueHat/Naruto/a1/Naruto--Sketches--nagato_1.jpg
ItachiWasAHero (talk) 20:26, March 28, 2013 (UTC)
Where exactly are you getting those from? The look like the sort of stuff that comes from Studio Pierrot's blog, but I'm not finding those there. Maybe they're further in the past than I looked? Or maybe this comes from whatever studios that did the anime before Pierrot started doing it? Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 18:41, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
If their not masashi's then don't trust the sourced omnibender and I think he's getting them from phtobucket--User:Jmootam1999Loves Naruto 18:46, March 29, 2013 (UTC)
They are production are extra releases from the dvd's like shippuden dvd 7 with Hinata on the cover and etc. They are production arts. And you mentioned studio pierot has these stuff too?? can you link me to some? I found these here at this place. http://www.narutoforums.com/blog.php?b=17927 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:07, March 30, 2013 (UTC)
Here. This is the category with all Naruto related posts in Pierrot's blog. Omnibender - Talk - Contributions 03:54, March 30, 2013 (UTC)