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Is China's corruption crackdown just a power purge?
China is in the midst of a major anti-corruption overhaul that has netted thousands of officials, but is this really a clean-out or about shoring up the power of president Xi Jinping? Stephen McDonell writes.
The Communist Party's Central Discipline Inspection Committee has been busy beyond belief.
This body, under the control of president Xi Jinping's most crucial ally, Wang Qishan, is running China's vast anti-corruption drive.
Many thousands of officials have already been snared, from the low-ranking, nicknamed "flies", to the much more senior, known as "tigers".
Even former security chief Zhou Yongkang has gone down. He was on the previously nine-member Politburo Standing Committee, the small group that is basically China's cabinet.
Who but the corrupt themselves would not welcome such a push?
Ordinary Chinese battlers, the lao baixing, as they're called, have for years viewed with anger the privileged lifestyles of leaders that have sprung from fraud and cronyism.
But it's the strangest thing: there are reports that when people have approached the Committee, eager to provide information on what they believe is wrongdoing of some sort, they don't seem to be interested. China's discipline inspectors appear to already know who they're after.
This has got observers thinking: is this really an anti-corruption drive or a political purge?
Australia's Ambassador to China, Frances Adamson, told the ABC that she's not quite sure. "It's almost impossible for us to know," she said. "But what we can see very clearly is president Xi, I think, becoming a more powerful leader and he's got a number of people in important positions who are your longstanding friends, colleagues, and allies."
If it's not really about corruption and is actually about shoring up the power of president Xi, why would he want to do this? What's his end game?
Xi Jinping rose through the ranks of the Communist Party as the leader in Fujian and Zhejiang provinces.
The Chinese writer who goes by the pen name Murong Xuecun wrote recently in the New York Times, "As best as I can tell, not one official above the deputy provincial level has been arrested for corruption" in Fujian or Zhejiang. He questioned why no tigers had been found in these strongholds of support for president Xi.
Of course, none of this has mattered to many who think that, as long as corrupt figures are being caught, who cares how it's being done.
There was the housing official seen on camera fondling women in a karaoke bar; the general manager of an agriculture firm sentenced to death for taking $65 million worth of bribes: mistresses, cars, jewellery, jade.
Ma Chaoqun was the general manager of a water company. Those who didn't pay him didn't get any water, including in one case an entire village. He's said to have been caught with 82 pounds of gold, 40 boxes of cash and the deeds to 68 properties.
The view here is that most of those caught up in the anti-corruption drive have been dirty.
Yet how would you know? They're detained and questioned in secret without legal representation. If it gets to the stage of party investigators handing them over to the courts, by then they're going to lose.
Crucially, there have been no systemic changes here that might prevent a resurgence of all these problems in the future. The view of many analysts is that, as soon as Xi's big push is over, it will be back to business as usual for whoever's left standing.
Some have worried that this drive is leading to paralysis even amongst the squeaky-clean who are becoming too scared to act on anything. A state media commentary dismissed this as "a ridiculous notion". If people think this is getting too hot, the same editorial warned that officials should "get used to the new normal".
A recent three-day meeting of the Central Commission for Discipline Inspection said that the next step would be a thorough audit of all China's state-owned companies.
In addition we're being told that, internationally, hundreds of corrupt Chinese officials have already been rounded up and brought back to face the music.
Xi Jinping has described this as a "matter of life or death" for the Party and the nation. It clearly has a long way to go.
Stephen McDonell is a foreign correspondent for the ABC.
Topics: corruption, law-crime-and-justice, government-and-politics, foreign-affairs
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03 Feb 2015 8:54:27am
Oh, so China has that problem as well.
If you get caught in China for corruption you will probably be executed.
If you get caught in Australia nothing seems to happen at all.
Perhaps there is something seriously wrong with our system.
03 Feb 2015 12:39:49pm
Corruption is endemic in China. When a single party dictatorship runs the shop, the entire country is nothing more than a giant cookie jar. The only crime is dipping your hand without the right permission.
If you're actually convicted of corruption in China, it is usually because of one of the following:
1. You accepted the wrong bribe;
2. You bribed the wrong person;
3. You failed to bribe the right person;
4. You took a bribe someone else wanted; or
5. You offended someone more powerful than you.
03 Feb 2015 3:25:34pm
From the headline: "Is China's corruption crackdown just a power purge?", you might conclude that it doesn't really matter because if they don't know the effect will be the same - greater caution.
Ultimately, if you are right that the danger is doing business with the wrong person, then sharply increased caution is bound to reduce economic activity - sharply if your characterisation is correct.
On the other hand, if you have underestimated the leadership and they are able to increase confidence in doing business, the exact opposite will happen.
My bet is that China's economic managers are sharper than you anticipate. So far markets seem to be backing China.
03 Feb 2015 3:52:28pm
"So far markets seem to be backing China."
Of course they will.
China's main worth is their slave wages and their cheap manufacturing. As long as the wheels of business keep turning, the business world doesn't care if China's politicians turn on each other.
04 Feb 2015 3:34:51am
Politicians turning on each other may evolve into responsible accountable democracy, that's how we came to it.
In fact the business world seeking access to the advantages aristocracy monopolised is a pretty accurate one line summary of how it happened.
05 Feb 2015 3:29:57pm
Terrific explanation.
16 Mar 2015 10:33:41pm
6. Someone who protects you fell out of favor, and thus, so do you.
03 Feb 2015 1:43:30pm
International bodies, according to the ABC, have rated Australia as one of the least corrupt countries on Earth.
Peter of Melbourne:
03 Feb 2015 2:41:37pm
australia is currently ranked 11th on the least corrupt nation scale... probably something to do with all of the scandals involving union heavyweights which have come about over the past 12 months or so whereas a few years ago we ranked 6th
china is currently ranked at 100th on the scale along with algeria and suriname...
src: transparency international
03 Feb 2015 10:13:48pm
When you say union heavyweights, you mean the Liberal party members entering the ICAC hearing, then leaving as independents?
Or party members attending cricket matches or private weddings on taxpayer money?
Or the ones setting up a company with the sole purpose of laundering prohibited donation money for the party?
You are right, the Libs started a big investigation into the very real corruption in union circles, but you may have missed the latest party directive that we shouldn't talk about corruption since it turned out that Libs were no better than the evil unions...
By the way, quite a few of the countries that are better than Australia on that corruption list, let's see, say, Sweden, Denmark, Norway or Finland *are* heavily unionised. You know, like Sweden, where 70% of the workers are union members. So maybe it's not the unions that make a country corrupt.
In fact, looking at those countries it seems that social democratic roots, high taxes and generous social services, among them free high quality public education (including tertiary) make a country less corrupt.
04 Feb 2015 12:46:52am
oh yeah, it's only the unions that are corrupt is it?
The AWB and RBA/Securrency weren't model corporate citizens; and I wonder how much in facilitation fees do Oz mining companies pay to govt offiicials in Africa, PNG, etc., I wonder?
03 Feb 2015 9:08:11am
Interesting. It begs the question of, if there is a link between corruption and wealth, why we as a nation court the wealthy - wealthy students, wealthy investors, wealthy immigrants. And then lend so much attention to their perspective on our country, and afford them such privilege and consideration?
If the same holds true in regards to all societies in which corruption and despotism are the status quo, what effect might this have on our perception of other cultures and how we interact?
hairy nosed wombat:
03 Feb 2015 9:42:25am
This topic has started to be brought up in New Zealand over the last few weeks. Apparently the Chinese government has been expressing some displeasure over the number of folks who they are now pursuing for corruption who have fleed to NZ in the last few years.
It is also interesting that just as this exodus is occuring, Australia has effectively dramatically lowered the bar for immigration as an investor, and we are seeing an influx from China. We are far from unaffected by what is going on - it could even result in diplomatic difficulties in the relationship between Australia and China. People in the know don't seem to think there is any doubt there is some kind of purge going on.
03 Feb 2015 10:21:51am
Do we have an extradition treaty? Take the cash and kick them back.
hairy nosed wombat:
03 Feb 2015 12:19:37pm
We do have an extradition treaty, but we don't extradite to nations for crimes where the individual may face the death penalty. And i 'spose the concern is, what if this is just a political purge - how do we know who we are handing over?
04 Feb 2015 12:33:05am
We may not extradite to countries where the death penalty exists but there are two Aussies likely to be executed in Indonesia during February following directly from action by the AFP. So maybe Imby is correct - take their money and let the AFP know and they'll be returned in no time.
03 Feb 2015 9:56:41am
Well Matt, it's clear that nobody wants to court the 'poor'!
It definitely seems to be that the immorality of courting those who 'deep down inside' we suspect of being at least a 'bit crooked' who are obscenely loaded - especially when they come from such a "Communist" country as China; is easily overlooked in the rush to try and catch some of that filthy palooka for ourselves... and then; if some filthy loot is obtained; to sing one's own praises for being so clever as to have grabbed plenty of Chinese loot for the Aussie cause!!!
See; it's expected that only 'ordinary people' will have the moral conviction to avoid accepting money from corrupt individuals - where as, those who deem themselves "born to rule" or above those petty concerns that 'ordinary people' concern themselves with, can accept money from the corrupt without actually becoming corrupt themselves.
A bit like those Italian officials who believed they could deal with the Cosa Nostra by accepting money or favours from them, without being obliged in any way. Boy! Didn't they find out the hard way how wrong they were!!
And here we are licking the butt of the new "National Saviour" when only a few short decades ago they were our political enemy bar none...
The West thinks itself so secure in it's new found democratic morality, that it can deal with those it once held as ideological enemies of such stature that they could never be reconciled without the fall of one or the other; based solely on the delusion (that the Chinese have cultivated because they've spotted our egotistical weakness!!) that "embracing China as a full member of the free-World market place will entice them into accepting more than just the West's money; they'll even loosen the chains of Communist inspired oppression from off it's own people until they too become a member of the liberal democratic fold"!
Boy are they in for a shock!! Here's the proof of the pudding and the West wants to hang onto it's delusion so bad, it can't even spot it even as their faces and noses are being rubbed in it!! No wonder the Chinese laugh at us behind our backs!
03 Feb 2015 11:58:38am
Yes, China has a number of mantras:
1. use their resources first;
2. buy their land, lease ours;
3. vertically integrate business when possible, repatriate profits and shift costs.
It is no surprise that Liberals and Labor have no intention of setting up a register for foreign ownership of our land or businesses as the results would cause a riot.
My friends at FIRB have a charter, yet after 6 years have prosecuted not one case of illegal property transaction.
Can anyone please explain how allowing students and temporary residents to buy existing property helps Australians, especially First Home Buyers?
03 Feb 2015 9:47:50am
"Is China's corruption crackdown just a power purge?"
Is that really a question?
03 Feb 2015 9:56:57am
The vast majority of people who are not corrupt are those without the opportunity to become so.
03 Feb 2015 10:56:02am
No, I'm afraid not. It depends on your value system. Those who value "money" (which is just printed by the hereditary elite anyway) above everything else are extremely prone to corruption.
03 Feb 2015 8:30:30pm
in a way, I have to say you are right.
I'm a Chinese. I've been living in China since birth and now I am a sophomore in a university in Nanjing, JiangSu Province.
China has always been a country which is fond of power since thousands of years ago。 China went through the longest period of feudalism in the world. longer than any other country,which means the ideas that power is everything and that one who has real power in government has ability to render the whole family prosperous for good are inevitably rooted in everyone's heart, even until nowadays. Of course the kind of idea may be faded through the flood of industrialization, globalization, modernization or something else. BUT Chinese desire for power, especially for the power of governing, is definitely much bigger than people's in other countries, because it has become one of traditional habit of the history over three thousand years.
In another way, however, there are more and more people who really don't like being the dog of the government, who are trying to get rid of the dirty and do something they truly want. That's why the awareness of corruption crackdown among us Chinese is stronger than before. :Politics is much more complicated than we can imagine, so many rumors, floods of tricks and lies. At least I would absolutely turn down even if I had the opportunity.
Just a few minutes ago, by the way, there is a news that two committee numbers in JiangXi Province have been arrested because of corrupt
04 Feb 2015 12:32:33pm
How often is the death penalty applied, and how transparent are the legal proceedings? Do you find the implication, that the corruption investigation is a purge by proxy, to be accurate?
It's hard for an Australian to judge these things based on western opinion pieces.
R Supwood:
03 Feb 2015 10:06:05am
It is impossible to change three or so thousand years of habits, in China's social, economic and political interactions. Being grateful, in debt, beholden, these have been used and abused forever to run a system incomprehensible to outsiders. Modern bribery and corruption manifestations are huge in material discovered, well above the wine, women and song of history.
I used to ask Chinese adult english learning migrants how one became a member of the all-embracing and controlling party. All they said was "don't know". No-one had known anyone or any family even to provide a candidate secretively for the inner party ranks. Yet China has strong leadership, planning, completion rates. It now has wealth, power, beyond the dreams of Mao and Chou. This cyclical surge for discipline and public decency is informative, welcome but curious.
03 Feb 2015 10:08:19am
"...internationally, hundreds of corrupt Chinese officials have already been rounded up and brought back to face the music."
Meanwhile, their offspring are still purchasing Aussie property and pushing the housing prices up - especially in quite a few parts of Sydney.
I don't blame the Chinese one iota for such a situation, because it's the greed of the real estate agents and the 'Aussie' vendors who now expect unrealistic returns on their property when they sell and don't mind where the money comes from as long as there's lots of it!!
At least the Chinese are prepared to round up their 'ferals'!
We Aussies just let our home grown 'corrupt' walk away with their ill-gotten gains - and even go so far as to laud them if they're still loaded or set up a new scheme designed to grab even more ill-gotten gains from their safe havens!
And while we laud the Chinese for rooting out their corrupt officials etc, we turn a blind eye to their firing squad executions, whilst simultaneously condemning the Indonesians/Malaysians/etc for executing our nationals for breaking local laws on the basis that the death penalty is no way to eliminate the problem...
Hmmm... Methinks some Aussies who love to pontificate from their high horses, need a good slapping down to size.
Tory Boy:
03 Feb 2015 10:56:01am
Given that the purge has extended to further crackdowns on internet usage, guidelines on avoiding books promoting western values, and sponsoring our own union-labor to the tune of $1,000,000, I'd say this is being done in the interests of the party, not the nation.
03 Feb 2015 12:17:34pm
As a Qlder from 2 former generations of conservatives who's just lived through 18 months of LNP values locally, state & federally I'll be avoiding any recent books promoting western values also. In that time I've seen a new use for champagne glasses LNP former Minister for Ethics - what were the ethics like of the rest if he was the best. In another State a step down over an undeclared $3,000 bottle of wine - just how many "gifts" do our politicians & their families get that it is such a big job to declare everything. Then we move out of the LNP's cellars to the disproportionate taxing of lower & middle income families. The LNP's values are neither right or left they've gone South. The LNP need to pick up a dictionary and look up the meaning of conserve from which Conservative is a derivative. Conserving is saving not selling. Living within your means in the lean times not planning additional infrasture a reduced future population won't need (if it's an ageing population there's less young people). When you conserve fruit the big and small is cooked at the same temperature & bottled the same. I'm living in the west under a "liberal" govt doing it's level best to change laws so it can spy on my free & liberal comments. If these are the new "western values" I do not blame the Chinese from protecting their people from them. If the Chinese have sent a $1,000,000 cheque to who they think can best help us fight these values good on them & it's a big thank you from me.
03 Feb 2015 1:22:34pm
'how many "gifts" do our politicians & their families get that it is such a big job to declare everything'
Lots actually. Its available online if you wanted to check
I expect the bottle of wine was left off the list since it was
1) send to his home address
2) he was on holidays at the time
3) someone else signed for it.
So by the time he got back, it was already put away.
I seem to remember he wrote a thank you note, so I expect someone told him to write it (it would depends on when the present arrived, and when he wrote the letter). But being on holidays, it was too much to log in and update the register.
and it must skipped his mind when he got back to the office
'Living within your means in the lean times not planning additional infrasture a reduced future population won't n'
You do know the population of the country is increasing do you ? Its been doing that for 'some time'.
'I do not blame the Chinese from protecting their people from them. '
Wasn't this story about chinese arresting their people ? I'm not sure where 'the chinese are protecting their people' came from 'the chinese are arresting their people'.
03 Feb 2015 11:02:01am
China long ago institutionalised corruption. It makes it very easy for people at the top to purge whoever they want, they're all corrupt.
Until the people of China demand genuine representation and human rights, they will continue to be exploited by the Chinese Government and the cronies who profit from it.
03 Feb 2015 12:05:17pm
Yes Dean, I see China as a kind of role model for Western Democracy should we fail to promote a more progressive and honest model of dealing with the socio-economy.
China is us in 100 years the way things are going, unchallenged neo-liberalism will morph into the 'Chinese' way of doing things.
03 Feb 2015 11:26:42am
If you think this is the big problem in China, then you've got another thing coming. Why not look at the tens of thousands of schools closing in the last few years because the number of students is falling dramatically and as a consequence their labour intensive economic model they spent the last thirty years building relying on the seemingly never ending supply of new workers to fuel it has begun running out of workers. That is the real problem in China, that and the gigantic mountain of debt they've built up in the last seven years. So if Xi Jinping wants to purge all his competition to stay in power for that slow motion train wreck, I say go right ahead.
03 Feb 2015 11:50:13am
Sometimes I ponder wether they have more integrity than us?
03 Feb 2015 12:27:55pm
Any level of addressing corruption is a good one, even when it's incomplete and selective. Just like everything else in life, nothing is perfect.
Doing nothing at all would probably be the alternative, but not good at all because 'Corruption is not a victimless crime'. That is mostly forgotten. In every corrupt act there is one who's missed out, and that's the victim.
Xiao Zhang:
03 Feb 2015 1:54:13pm
this regime is one of the most hardline since Tiananmen Square massacre in 1989. Xi has been removing the holdovers on corruption charges right, left and centre. It's definitely less of a "crack down" and more of shoring up power and keeping the corruption well organised.
Peter of Melbourne:
03 Feb 2015 2:33:35pm
now, now Stephen
dont you know that according to the liberal and labor parties, not to mention clives pary, that we are at the beginning of the asian (read chinese) century.
we will ignore the prc's blatant attempts at bullying its neighbours and trading partners economically and militarily, all so that the non and minimal tax paying multinational corporations can reap the untold benefits.
hope people like their brand new chinese sourced fords and general motor holdens, or maybe we should call them GreatWall Fords and GreatWall Holdens.
03 Feb 2015 6:37:22pm
Stephen McDonell seemed to always able to draw up one conclusion. Whenever the Chinese is doing something that is worth doing, like anti-corruption, he claimed it is not really about that at all, but a power trip for the president. OK, perhaps he is right, may be he is full of conspiracies with little proofs?
Sure, it had been done before...this purging of political enemies. But can't they get some credit for actually sorting out corruption without a foreign reporter casting a doubtful eye ?
So Australia is squeaky clean? Yes, are you so sure? The casinos openly welcome big spending Chinese gamblers. No expenses spared just to get them to come and to stay a little bit longer. Why? The money, of course. Where is all the money come from? You probably knew the answer.
We claimed to be snow-white clean, and yet welcome those big gamblers to come to blow it up in the casinos. Who is more corrupt?
04 Feb 2015 9:50:58am
The Chinese.
Which doesn't make us squeaky clean!
03 Feb 2015 6:50:57pm
Let corruption run rife, get all the assets into the hands of a few, then confiscate everything, very clever, but typical of communism.
03 Feb 2015 9:02:54pm
It does appear that Stephen McDonell has a real beef with the Chinese Government as every article he publishes on China has an anti CPC sentiment or intends to cast doubt on the integrity of the CPC in some way or another. It would be good if he could get that beef sorted so that he can get on and do some balanced reporting on China, highlighting some of the good that is happening over here as well as areas for improvement. The CPC should be applauded for the steps they are taking on weeding out corruption. They should also be congratulated for the positive steps they are taking as a constructive player on the world stage and in world affairs. There are plenty of places where they are struggling to find their way, but there is still plenty of positive stuff being done by President Xi and his government. With a country as old and steeped in tradition as China is, there is no short road to getting on top of all the problems in a short period of time, and standing back and throwing stones is not the answer to anything. Perhaps the ABC can find a posting for Stephen in a country where he will be happy with the performance of a perfect Government....maybe Australia??
04 Feb 2015 9:09:12am
Unaccountable power equals integrity. Not.
Deena Bennett:
05 Feb 2015 11:48:31am
Integrity is very difficult to find anywhere, look at the major parties here in Australia. Money and power appear to combine to twist and distort this quality.
04 Feb 2015 9:52:16am
What are they doing that's so good on the world stage?
04 Feb 2015 4:36:28pm
Probably a typical question to expect from an ABCer.
Try some world news sites that do balanced reporting.
Start with following up on major contributors tackling the Ebola crisis in Africa for starters and then move on to UN peace keeping forces and then to tackling piracy in the Gulf of Aden and then move on from there. There is plenty of good that China is doing in the world.
For those that want to spend their lives with their heads stuck in the ABC's proverbial, they can be assured they won't find anything positive about China in there as the ABC doesn't report on that.
04 Feb 2015 12:49:44am
Compare this with India, another country with a huge corruption problem. India's PM announced last year that in future (not sure exactly when) all govt payments would be made only into a recipient's bank account. This will cut out the officials who skim cash off. In the 3 days after the PM's announcement, 50 million new bank accounts were opened. I'm not suggesting this is the perfect solution, but it will be a spectacular and democratic achievement if it happens.
04 Feb 2015 7:31:50am
In my current point of view, if you want a "power surge" - do it in style. I don't expect you to agree but I would call corruption crack down a "stylish power surge".
04 Feb 2015 12:37:07pm
I don't doubt that there is a political element to who gets nicked and where, but I wouldn't discount China's anti-corruption drive as entirely symbolic. The history of china has been a cycle of corruption, tolerated by the ruling class until the population revolts, and after the bloodbath the whole thing starts over. The "communist" party are not idiots. They know that if they are to avoid the same fate they need to be at least seen to be doing something about the issue - and if they can do a bit of housecleaning in the process, more the better
04 Feb 2015 3:49:35pm
Stephen, your article is fairly bland and I guess you can't go too far because you might fall victim of that "corruption" yourself. Most of what you have been written is not new and your article is not likely to have much impact but that's why the myth of China's "phenomenal" growth has perpetuated. People like you who probably know a lot about what goes on are hamstrung by the very corruption that you are railing against.
Only after democracy is established and then a very long time after will there be any progress on the stemming of what Australians call corruption. People in China have to get out of their "sh-t happens" mindset and that will probably take centuries, if at all.
05 Feb 2015 5:39:25am
china will be the same as long as they have the same type of jokers running the show
nothing will change
07 Feb 2015 3:08:48am
In all reality the challenge should be thrown out to Stephen McDonell to put forward something positive about the current Chinese Government and to report on what they are doing that is positive locally as well as globally and create a bit of balance to his own reporting. As we all know, if everything is always one sided and there is only one persons point of view that is always negative and is considered to be correct, does that make it different from those that are being criticised to those that are criticising?
To be based in Beijing as a foreign correspondent for the ABC is really a dream job, or cushy job for a journo as most of us normal working people would consider. We see the correspondents on the world news sites in the real hot spots in the world such as the Middle East and Africa that are dodging bullets and bombs to do real reporting and add value to getting the message out to the world. It's hard to give credit and a pat on the back to those of the journo world that are living in Shangrila and trying to play it up as some communistic country similar to the DPRK that is militarised and locked down with a curfew at 8.00pm, when in actual fact they are living in one of the best international cities of the world that has been created by the very Government that they are criticising.
On the other hand, to live and work in North West China in Xinjiang in the Gobi desert where I've been for the the last few years where things are tough and there are some problems, life is also great if you want it to be.
To live here as an expat or as a Chinese national, either Han or ethnic, life is pretty good. As qualification for that, I'm an Australian employed by and working for a Chinese company. My wife is Han Chinese. My friends are Uyghur, Han, Kazakhs, Tajiks, Hui, Kyrgyz, and Mongols. They are all great people with a great outlook on life and don't share the reported views that they are repressed or unhappy with the Chinese Government. After all, the majority of governance in Xinjiang at high level positions is by ethnic Uyghurs. The only problems here are caused by those that promote separatism, or those that don't understand the situation here and sympathize with those that promote separatism.
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His 2018-19 campaign has, however, been ended by a problem picked up against Leicester on February 23.
An unfortunate spell on the sidelines is preventing Sakho from catching the eye of club and international coaches.
A man with 29 caps for France to his name is hoping to earn recognition from Didier Deschamps at some stage in the future, but insists domestic football will remain his priority.
"I do not think specifically about Euro 2020," Sakho added, with Les Bleus looking to add a European Championship crown to the World Cup title they claimed in Russia last summer.
"But everyone who knows me knows that I am ambitious.
"The top target for any player is start in Ligue 2, Ligue 1, then the Champions League and the national team."
Sakho made France's preliminary squad list ahead of the 2018 World Cup, but was overlooked by Deschamps when a final 23-man selection was made.


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Aug 30, 2019
I shopped around for weeks before I chose this company and I must say they are the best prices in town. Eddie in the office did a great job with finding my product and to get me scheduled in and took care of everything with no third party movers either.. The guys who did the work made my home look so elegant that it looks like one of the high end casino's flooring. The installers work like marines and make it look easy.... I"m sure that every dollar I spent on this floor I made double in home equity. Thanks to affordable flooring.. Your the best in town.
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Aug 26, 2019
I shopped around for weeks before I chose this company and I must say they are the best prices in town. Eddie in the office did a great job with finding my product and to get me scheduled in and took care of everything with no third party movers either.. The guys who did the work made my home look so elegant that it looks like one of the high end casino's flooring. The installers work like marines and make it look easy.... I"m sure that every dollar I spent on this floor I made double in home equity. Thanks to affordable flooring.. Your the best in town.
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Ben Pepa
Jul 23, 2019
I found Affordable Flooring on Yelp, and decided to go take a look at their Centennial location and met Mikayla. I have never owned a home before and this was all new and she put me at ease. She was able to show my mother and I multiple samples of different types, explain the pros and cons as well as the pricing. She said the next step was to get measured, and from some of the forums I read, many of the big box stores charge for this, so I was concerned I was going to be forced in to using them. Nothing could be further from the truth and she was up front about it. The next day, Mike comes over to measure. I'm work in information technology so I was really delighted to see his use of an iPad to measure all the rooms! He happily showed me how he is able to use the technology and reduce the waste/cost for customers by getting very accurate sizes and only having to purchase the required amount of material. He was done really quickly, and he too gave me some options including baseboards. Initially I was on the fence until he showed me my "baseboards" were in fact window trim - one of the many shortcuts the developer had taken on the house! Glad he pointed it out, I sure thought what I had looked kinda hokey. I don't live in the house full time and was assured that would be fine and to move the electronics out of the area which was fair enough. Mike emailed me photos of the baseboard options to save me a trip to the store which was super awesome he was flexible understanding my situation. I provided door and alarm codes and the crew showed up bright and early on Monday morning. Eddie was great, he called to keep me updated - especially since I was out of state. I only know based on what I could see on the ring doorbell and the camera in the garage that those guys really worked hard! I watched from 500 miles away as they came and went, completing a day and a half earlier than expected! Two weeks later I was back in town to see my new floors and I cannot tell you how impressed I am! The baseboards look absolutely stunning and the shine from those floors really open up the room from the dreary and dreadful vinyl and carpet that was previously installed. I was so impressed that I immediately drove to see Mikayla again to get options for the second floor of my home! She remembered me from the previous month and all the details my mom and I provided like no pets, no kids, and second home and made some more recommendations for carpet and laminate replacement in the bedrooms! Needless to say, I cannot wait to see the upstairs completed! Mike, Eddie, Mikayla and the installers - thank you so much for the amazing job! I am super excited for their return to do the rest of the house! Thanks team!
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Apr 07, 2019
I wanted to wait to make this review. I wanted to experience our new floor and test its duration. We had our plank tile floor install last August 2018. We did not have an unlimited budget and searched the city of Las Vegas for price and product for months. Our biggest concern was a professional installation. The tear out of the old tile and the installation of the new plank Tile took a total of about 6 days. It looks like a major construction zone inside our home. The crew was very professional and experienced. They did an exceptional job. We do not have one negative thing to say about the work crew. Let's not forget to mention the courteous and informative office crew. The paperwork was clear and precise and the product and installation were beautiful. We would highly recommend this company to our friends family and strangers. Our floor, after 1 year still looks like brand new. We left our baseboards and they had to work around them. There were a few spots that needed to have touch up paint when the project was over, but you have to remember this is a major construction zone chiseling out the old tile. I touched up the baseboard myself no problem and was happy to do so with the Excellence of the rest of the job. Again you can't lose with this friendly, neighborhood type company. Thanks affordable flooring. Becky
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Mar 05, 2019
Had my first floor done in tile that looks like hardwood and couldn't be happier. It's the best thing I've ever done. Everyone one that see it can't believe its title. Love it. Affordable"s crew that did the installation was on time and cleaned up after, great job. Will use them for all my flooring needs.
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Feb 15, 2019
Affordable Flooring did the carpet in my house and from start to finish they did an AMAZING job!
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Cheryl Lee
Feb 13, 2019
Eddie and his crews they were very easy to work with, reliable and professional, We requested estimates from a few different places but are very glad that we went with Affordable Flooring's, not only for the fantastic job they did with the tile floors, but also for the excellent customer experience.
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Jan 25, 2019
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Jan 08, 2019
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Dave McNulty
Jan 03, 2019
First time writing a review, waited 8 months after the install just to make sure there were no problems. The showroom is in an industrial area but once inside they have a great variety of choices and helpful no pressure staff. I'm comparing this to our visits throughout the valley at every flooring store advertised. We looked for several months and compared installed pricing. Their quote was detailed with demo cost for tile, carpet, tile cost, grout, thin-set, and labor. Several others refused to give detailed pricing...... their installers were employees not subcontractors! We purchased about 1300sf of porcelain tile which they installed over 5 days (demo included). Their products were priced mid-range compared to others but definitely worth it. Straight forward pricing and professional staff. Be careful looking, we found some other stores had discounted tile that was irregular. Get samples and take them home to compare in your house.
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Dec 20, 2018
Great service!
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jamal brooks
Nov 28, 2018
Exceptional from Eddie Debra the whole office staff everyone was a pleasure to do business with look forward to doing it again thanks a lot!
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Jen M
Sep 10, 2018
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Mike Franklin
Sep 04, 2018
Affordable Flooring & More is a great company! They installed floors in my new condo after some damage and did an amazing job. The floors look awesome!
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Jacqueline Lamsfus Deasy
Aug 22, 2018
Affordable Flooring did an awesome job for us! We were very interested in luxury vinyl plank flooring, and while at their showroom, Eddie was extremely helpful with explaining the various LVP options available. Mike then came out to our home & handled the free measuring a price quote process. We ended up replacing all of the flooring throughout our home, and we couldn't be happier with the results! They made what could otherwise have been an overwhelming undertaking bearable - a very professional, helpful & friendly team that I would absolutely recommend, .
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Thank you so much, Jacqueline, for always giving us good reviews, as well as kind words. We look forward to working with your again, in the future :) Have an awesome THURSDAY!! Hope to see you soon.
Pam & Effie Bazmore
Aug 16, 2018
My mom and I are simply amazed at the work done by Affordable Flooring. I went back and forth on flooring styles and had sleepless nights trying to decide. We had just built a new home and would be removing brand new carpeting, tile, and linoleum. It was essential that I make a good choice. Mike and Eddie helped me every step of the way. They were great with communication. Responses to emails, calls, and text messages were almost immediate. They gave me pros and cons of each type of flooring. They were so patient. The pricing was very good compared to what the original home builder's design center wanted to charge. For precise flooring installations, top notch customer service, and fair pricing, I highly recommend Affordable Flooring in Las Vegas. You won't be disappointed.
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P Bazmore
Aug 16, 2018
My mom and I are simply amazed at the work done by Affordable Flooring. I went back and forth on flooring styles and had sleepless nights trying to decide. We had just built a new home and would be removing brand new carpeting, tile, and linoleum. It was essential that I make a good choice. Mike and Eddie helped me every step of the way. They were great with communication. Responses to emails, calls, and text messages were almost immediate. They gave me pros and cons of each type of flooring. They were so patient. The pricing was very good compared to what the original home builder's design center wanted to charge. For precise flooring installations, top notch customer service, and fair pricing, I highly recommend Affordable Flooring in Las Vegas. You won't be disappointed.
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Chong Chen
Aug 03, 2018
Staff is friendly and helpful
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Lisa Beckley
Jul 09, 2018
We had new carpet installed in our formal living and dining areas, downstairs den, staircase and upstairs hallway in May 2018. Both Eddie and Mike were extremely helpful and professional at our visits to the showroom and the gentlemen who completed the installation were outstanding. The work exceeded our expectations and we couldn't be more pleased with how beautiful our new carpet looks! :)
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Tracy Fennel Morris
Jul 02, 2018
14 days as promised floors done. � This also included a master bath and guest bath shower and tub remodel (referral by Afforadable Flooring) We did tile throughout 80% of our home and carpet in the remaining 20%. Turned out fantastic. The skill level for the installers is excellent. Have already recommended Affordable Floor to others!
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Responded on: Jul 06, 2018 05:00 PM
Hi Tracy, it was a pleasure working with you and Troy. You made great choices for your flooring. The floor looks beautiful.
Nez Lisa
Jun 15, 2018
Easy going place and great customer service-knowledgeable and always helpful! No pressure and communication was amazing! Got an awesome deal on my new carpets and their team did A+!
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Sarah Philpott
Apr 26, 2018
Hands down, Affordable Flooring was amazing. From the very first meeting with Eddie, to the end of our install, the entire team was professional, helpful, and hardworking. Eddie did a great job assessing our flooring needs, and after our initial visit we choose to go with the LVP. They came to the house to do free estimate, and we were so happy with their initial quote for the first floor, we decided to do the whole house! We picked the Mohawk Relevance LVP in Tea Time color (it had ten unique planks). The installation crew, lead by Gonzalo, came out and did a fantastic job. They had not only great attention to detail, but the utmost patience in answering any and all questions. The installation crew was professional, polite, and very hardworking to ensure the floors were perfect, true tradesmen. If you are thinking of working with this company, I would highly recommend it.
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Responded on: Apr 25, 2018 05:00 PM
Thank you for the kind words Sarah. It was a pleasure working with you guys.
Jack Nix
Feb 14, 2018
Absolutely fantastic work. I didn't have to worry about anything. They took care of every detail.
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Responded on: Feb 14, 2018 04:00 PM
Thank you Jack! It was a pleasure working with you.
Laura Ashton
Nov 09, 2017
We had the upstairs done last year, and now we just had them do the downstairs. If you haven't seen my pictures, it's gorgeous! When I went to pick out tile, they literally pulled every single piece of grey tile they had while I walked around and around trying to decide. Amazing, fast, Quality, Friendly Install! Mike and Gomez are great. I really can't say enough!
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Responded on: Nov 12, 2017 04:00 PM
Thank you for the great review, Laura. It was a pleasure working with you and your family.
Kimberly Ball
Jun 17, 2017
Great prices and installation was quick. My only complaint is we wanted to keep our original baseboards and they messed them up really bad. Huge gashes and chunks missing. We will eventually have to replace them all. When we told them about it- they came back out to "paint" them. You can't paint over a hole in a piece of wood and make it look better. I paid $500 for baseboard removal and to have them put back on and my baseboards look worse than before they started. I am super disappointed in their response to the problem.
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Abby Wong
Jun 17, 2017
Affordable flooring was great to work with. Lisa and Travis were so nice and accommodating. Manuel, the worker who did our floors was such a hard worker and never stopped! We love our floors, they turned out beautiful!
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Responded on: Jun 18, 2017 05:00 PM
Thank you, Abby. Your floors look beautiful. It was such a pleasure doing business with you.
wayne molzahn
May 17, 2017
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Sunrise Office Systems Admin
May 17, 2017
ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC!!!! We contacted Travis because we needed to take out the carpet in our office and put in laminate flooring. The flooring was ordered the same day and we had it installed the next day. Jose the installer went above and beyond by not only doing a meticulous job but also making sure everything was all cleaned up and neat. We will definitely use them again for any future flooring. We highly recommend them!
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Kimberly Parry Ball
May 07, 2017
Great prices and install. My only complaint was we wanted to keep our original baseboards and they messed them up really bad. Chips and chunks missing. We will eventually have to replace them. When we told them about it- they came back out to "paint" them. You can't paint over a hole in a piece of wood and make it look better. Disappointed by their response to the problem.
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Melanie Myers
Feb 05, 2017
Knowledgeable and friendly. I like that they list their prices on the product. Great showroom.
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Brian 'Scene' Alex
Dec 28, 2016
THE REAL DEAL. After researching and shopping around for weeks, we found Affordable Flooring here on Yelp. We went to the showroom and Eddie helped us find the wood grain porcelain we had been looking for at a great price. We ending up setting an appointment right then and there for a measurement. After the measurement, Travis had an estimate together by the next day. We were so happy with the price that we scheduled the demo and install to happen ASAP. The first day was demo of 1/2 of house. By the second day there was a full crew of 6 people prepping and installing in 1/2 house while more demo Was being completed in the other half. The guys worked fast! Eddie would check in with us every day to see if we had any questions or concerns. At one point I wanted to change the placement of some tiles "no problem, we'll take care of it tomorrow" .... and they did. Excellent customer service. We were so happy with the flooring install, we had Affordable head back to the house and install stone veneer on the fireplace. Thank you Eddie, Travis and Lisa!
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Donna Smith
Dec 19, 2016
My husband and I wanted to replace the awful tile flooring we had downstairs (kitchen, dining room, hallway, bath, and laundry room). Whoever installed the tile originally was an amateur, as the floor was not level and there were weird placements of tile near the walls (like they couldn't figure out the diagonal). We also wanted to widen our entry as the original tile covered too small of an area. We found Affordable Flooring on Yelp and decided to check them out. They had a nice selection and were very helpful when we were trying to decide what we liked best. They came out for a free estimate and worked with our budget. They were done in two days and our new floor looks amazing! It was better than I was imagining it would be. Very happy!
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Teresa Siegmund
May 17, 2016
We recently had our entire home re floored with tile and laminate and after several estimates went with Affordable. Great people to do business with from the selection process to their installers who showed up each day and did quality work including clean up. I would highly recommend them for your flooring. Thanks!! Darrell & Terry S.
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Daryl T.
Aug 25, 2015
My wife and I are remodeling our home. Prior to re-carpeting, we visited Affordable Flooring and More. We were very pleased as to their selection and the individual attention that we received. With their guidance, we choose what turned out to be the perfect carpet for our home. Lisa, Travis, and Gomez in the office were great in coordinating with us and the ongoing remodeling work. The installers, Jesus and Martino, always showed up on time and were truly skilled craftsman. Our experience with Affordable Flooring and More went well beyond our expectations. I would not hesitate to recommend them for your flooring needs.
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Khloe Wait
Mar 27, 2015
Absolutely the best place in the world to get flooring! They did a fantastic job on all the floors in the entire house! Checked in regularly to make sure I was happy along the way! They genuinely care about the work they are doing and making people happy! I've recommended them to all of my friends and family! I wish I had more floors to replace! A++ For Travis, Lisa, Gomez, Eddy, and Jose! :D FANTASTIC!
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Responded on: Mar 27, 2015 05:00 PM
Thank you so much, Khloe. It was a real pleasure working with you and we're so happy you love your new floors.
Michi McMahan Cowger
Feb 07, 2015
Just had tile and carpet installed from this very awesome place!! Don't go anywhere else!! Very pleased with everything!! If your looking for home improvements go to Affordable Flooring, you will love it!! Thanks guys for an amazing job well done!!
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Responded on: Feb 08, 2015 04:00 PM
Thank you very much for your review, Michi. It was a pleasure working with you.
Valerie W.
Jan 10, 2015
I was very lucky to have found this place after searching around Vegas to change the carpet in my new home. I went in to their office, picked out material from their wide selection, and scheduled everything in under 15 minutes. Travis was extremely helpful with my choice and understanding. He also responds quickly to emails and helped me with any questions I had. Everything from start to finish was done in 3 days! I chose the truffle oak laminate to replace the carpet and its absolutely beautiful! Even the installers were also super nice and informative. I felt that this company overall is very honest, friendly, works fast, efficient, and does beautiful work on flooring! These people are really here to work with you to give you the floors you want. I highly recommend coming here!
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Cecilia Luntz Pechart
Dec 14, 2014
So sorry we didn't think to write sooner. Carpet buying was never this easy. Told them what we wanted....he brought out some samples...decided on one right away. With my sketch of the rooms, we got an estimate (so much lower in price than any of the 'big' dealers). Within 10 days, they measured our rooms, ordered the carpet, and had it installed....by ONE man. He removed the old carpet/padding and then cut, carried, & installed the new carpet/padding in 2 rooms in less than 3 hours. Unbelievable! Yes, we will go back when we do the rest of the house. On top of that, Travis called a week later to make sure we were happy with everything! Wish we could give you 10 stars!
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Responded on: Dec 18, 2014 04:00 PM
It was a pleasure doing business with you :)
Grace Tacuyan Witt
Oct 28, 2014
Highly satisfied with the price and the service!!! I will recommend them to anyone interested in flooring!!! Once they gave me their quote, I compared their figures to those from Lowe's and RC Willey and the quality of carpet plus padding was $2000+ more at those retailers!!! I love my carpet, love how efficient the installers were and Travis and Lisa were excellent to work with!!
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Oct 10, 2014
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Jan 20, 2014
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Nov 27, 2013
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Nov 22, 2013
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Oct 11, 2013
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May 18, 2012
Travis and Gomez and my sweet installers (didn't catch their names, how rude of me) have been more than wonderful. Our carpet is beautiful, beautifully installed and the remaining money in my budget is gorgeous. We really shopped around, including a friend of the family's company, but Travis just kept beating prices. And where he couldn't, (we found a screaming deal on laminate elsewhere) he was honest about it and didn't try to pursuade me to buy a lower quality product. I really appreciate that I was able to do the whole deal by email as dragging two young kids to flooring stores gets old quick. Thank you, we will for sure be recommending Affordable Flooring to our friends.
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Responded on: May 17, 2012 05:00 PM
Thank you Celeste! It was a real pleasure working with you on this project, I am very pleased everything went well and your are happy with the installation. I am even more happy to hear that we were able to save you money and you were able to use that to complete more projects on your house. Thanks again for your business and remember that if you ever have an issue down the road just call me and we will take care of it for you. All call backs are always free no matter how many years down the road. Thanks again for your business and enjoy your new flooring! Travis, Lisa, & Gomez
May 18, 2012
Affordable Flooring is a great company to do buiness with, the ower is very nice and informitive and works well with the customers
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Feb 11, 2012
Affordable Flooring and More was just fantastic! Like most homeowners the thought of having to go shopping at places like Home Depot and Lowes where the employees really have no clue what they are doing and what they are selling made me cringe. I do not mind shopping in these places for small items but when someone is about to tear my house apart I get a little nervous. Also, some of the large furniture stores that sell flooring is another place that I feel like they are stalking me as I shop, did not like that at all. So that brings me to Affordable Flooring , from the time I called I knew this was the place for me. Travis was just so nice and easy to deal with plus Gomez who supervised my installation was a real sweetheart. The measure was free, they didn't hassle me and my husband as we looked around and compared tiles and carpet. Plus he helped educate me about the right carpet for my family, we purchased a Smart Strand carpet that will never stain. The installation was excellent and they assured me if we ever have a problem down the road to just call and they will come right out for free and fix it. And the best part was Travis and Lisa were able to keep my project below the price I had set for my new flooring. I would highly recommend calling them if you are shopping around for new flooring. Skip the big stores that charge you for every little thing. I like to support local smaller companies and this was the right place for us. Very Happy! Tim and Heather Strickland
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Feb 10, 2012
Affordable Flooring and More was just fantastic! Like most homeowners the thought of having to go shopping at places like Home Depot and Lowes where the employees really have no clue what they are doing and what they are selling made me cringe. I do not mind shopping in these places for small items but when someone is about to tear my house apart I get a little nervous. Also, some of the large...
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Feb 07, 2012
Lisa and the whole gang at Affordable Flooring were great. They were able to get my carpet and tile done in 2 days. They were about $500 cheaper than Home Depot plus I did not have to wait 3 weeks for the material to arrive like at other places I had visited. The installation went very smoothly. The installers were neat and on time and even cleaned up afterwards, better than I could have done :) I would highly recommend using them. Plus they were extremely friendly and helpful to any questions that me and my wife had. Two thumbs up for this company!
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Just need to post here for a rant! I just feel really frustrated and stressed with work at the moment.
This is basically my first full-time job, and I spent ages job-hunting before getting it, so I'm really grateful to be in the job and to have any kind of work.
I work in the Civil Service, but would prefer not to say anything more than my job involves working in a very high pressure role in a smallish team. Even when our team is fully staffed, the work is stressful and demanding.
Our team is meant to have a certain number of people in it, but a team member has been off sick (and won't be returning) since December. Because of this, we've been down by one staff member since they left.
Regularly, other staff members have taken leave (leave granted by the people managing the team), so we've often been two people down (the person taking leave and the person who left in December).
So now, we regularly have situations where we're doing our main job as well as the work of two other people split between us. We won't have anybody new starting until at least April or May.
Any words of reassurance? I just feel knackered and frustrated.
It's tough but they can't ban the whole team for taking annual leave for something outside their control. They should cover that person with a temp or find another way to spread the workload.
Welcome to the real word. Lots of places are like this, you just have to get on with it
Make sure you take your share of leave too - don't be a martyr.
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Sounds like work —just wait for the next recruitment freeze—
I've heard there are some companies in the private sector that adequately staff their departments but you won't find anywhere in the public sector with enough staff. Don't you know we're in the midst of cuts and austerity?
Unfortunately, very standard. Difficult though.
Sounds normal. Sadly. Make sure you take your leave. Make sure you talk to your manager if you are taking on other people's work. Frame it in a what are the priorities type way.
Yep welcome to the civil service. This is normal. Recruitment takes ages and in that time someone else will probably leave/move/be promoted. Just do the best job with the time you have.
Don't believe the hype! Put yourself first. Set some boundaries. Otherwise you will burn out in a matter of time. Which doesn't benefit anyone, at work or at home.
Take regular loo breaks, go for a walk outside at lunchtime, get really well practised at switching off the thoughts of work when not at work. Easier said than done but the alternative is worse.
That is standard where I work, it would be unlikely the person off sick would get replaced too. You need to learn ways to look after yourself, don't constantly work to 100% of your capability, keep a bit back so to speak.
It's like this across the entire civil service at the moment. Take some leave yourself, prioritise your work (with your manager) and don't exhaust yourself.
I'm sorry you've joined the workforce at a tough time when resources are tighter than ever but believe me it's happening everywhere! I work in corporate environments and so many orgs are under staffed. It's almost the norm.
I'd like to say things will get better but I'm not sure they will
If others are taking leave it would probably be a good idea for you to book some leave as well. That way the 2 people down days at work will be shared out more fairly.
I dont work in the civil service but if people are off long term sick they don't get replaced as they are entitled to come back to their role - everybody else has to chip in to cover. It's the way most teams work unfortunately.
Sorry op it's shot but same in my job (nhs) team of 4, 2 off long term sick, leaving 2 staff to do all the work and still get annual leave and both had time off sick for a week or two! Now the bosses have decided to only take one back from sick &
Redeploy the other as she is not needed it's horrendous!
You need to agree where the priorities lie with your manager, because it's not likely that the team can do the same amount of work with absences.
unless the one off sick is like some in our place, who make a song and dance about being busy, but actually don't do much at all
The other alternative is to start using this time to really critically think about what you do and how you do it. If you can see ways where you could do things quicker, smarter, then pipe up with management. I love it when my team suggest improvements, because it shows me they are engaged, thinking about their job, and being creative. They are the ones doing it, so know best where things could be done differently. Obviously I don't leave all the responsibility for improvements on them.
My entire section is paperless due to suggestions from staff for doing things differently.
Sounds pretty good for the civil service. I've worked there 15yrs and hardly anyone gets replaced when they leave so you end up working like crazy to cover it.
Don't expect it to get better. Yesterday I did a 14hr day and then was expected to write a presentation in the spare time before bed ready to present today.
I think most new entrants are surprised how backwards the civil service really is in its treatment of staff. We have a new staff member and it took him over 2yrs from applying to get into his post yet we've been short staffed that whole time 🙄
Civil Servant and it's the same everywhere? Understaffed, poor equipment, ineffective processes and making jobs take twice as long as necessary.
Standard working life. Get your holidays booked, go home and switch off. Do your best but don't break your back.
Ranting helps, rant away op
Thanks everyone! So sad to hear it's the same across different industries and sectors, although it's understandable.
With our job, we work set hours and get 'told off' (for want of a better word!) if we are still at work outside of those hours. We have strict deadlines and extremely short-term turnarounds on our projects due to parliamentary deadlines, so every single bloody day is just high stress.
All of your posts have hugely helped though! Thank you all! One thing I am incredibly, massively grateful for is that I never need to bring work home, so that's a lovely plus point.
I also feel sometimes like it's difficult to approach my line manager, who's fairly new but very, very capable and doing very well in the role.
I have a pretty good relationship with him and we all get on really well both socially and professionally in our team, but sometimes, when he's stressed, he can respond to me quite abruptly, and I find it a bit rude. I don't think I can or necessarily need to do anything about it, but I don't think it's really fair, especially when myself and my colleagues are working so hard.
He hasn't acknowledged when I've done anything well and is often very abrupt, almost to the point of rudeness, when he speaks - I think this is because he is so busy he doesn't really think he has time for niceties, but it seems a bit unprofessional and just not really on.
For example, he's given me more responsibility (although only for a short time). I'm looking forward to this as a development opportunity, and he gave it to me because I'd already expressed interest in it. But he forwarded me an email with some info about it today, and when I asked him about it, he didn't give me any guidance on it at all and said he was too busy, although it needs to be sorted out ASAP. I feel in the dark about it, and he's dealt with this sort of stuff before. I will talk to him about it on Monday, but it's sometimes difficult just to find the time in the day to catch up with a colleague about something.
Please be gentle - I'm just after a bit of reassurance. Especially because it's basically down to him that we're short-staffed (he's partly involved in the recruitment process for the team).
He sounds new to management
When we have our appraisla we get to give our manager feedback as part of that. I think asking for feedback in general, or when you do something right would be constructive at that point. Guessing you have appraisals in the next month or so.
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