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The WHY of Big Arms WHY they became popular 100 years ago and WHY they're still popular today. by Ellington Darden, Ph.D.
On June 7, 2008, I attended my first Oldetime Barbell & Strongmen Reunion Dinner in Newark, New Jersey. What a meaningful experience it was to meet such famous strength athletes as Tommy Kono, Dave Prowse, and Joe Rollino.
Kono is recognized as one of the greatest Olympic lifters of all time, as well as a two-time winner of Mr. Universe. Prowse played Darth Vader in the "Star Wars" sagas, and was a weightlifting champion in Great Britain for many years. Rollino, the oldest in attendance at 103 years of age, apprenticed at Coney Island with legendary strongman, Warren Lincoln Travis. In his prime, Rollino could do a 1-finger lift with 600 pounds and bend coins with his fingers.
Joe Rollino, at age 103, shares a story about his days as a professional strongman. "I could curl 185 pounds," Joe remembered, "when I weighed only 175."
Speaking of strong hands and fingers, seated at my table for the dinner, were Pat Povilaitis, Steve Weiner, Jim Flanagan, Kim Wood, and John Wood — and at nearby tables, were Slim "The Hammerman" Farman, Terry Todd, and Don Reinhoudt. All of these men have massive forearms and hands, as well as extraordinary grip strength.
The day before this event, I visited my oldest daughter, Amy, who's a senior at Brooklyn College. Amy took me to Coney Island, since she knew I wanted to see it, as it will be torn down later this year. Coney Island's sideshow exhibits provided a background to the discussions I had the next day with Joe Rollino, who quit school at age 10 (in 1915) and toured the world with the performing Travis. "What an education that was," Rollino said. "And get this, in Brooklyn I lived right across the street from Charlie Atlas. We often worked out together."
A 1914 post card pictured one of the sideshow sections of Coney Island. Some of the acts included the armless wonder, spider boy, a 4-legged girl, a contortionist, a fat lady, and the "world's strongest man."
Early strongmen, according to Rollino, specialized in hand and grip strength because it was something that was easily demonstrated — and, in turn, offered as a challenge to sporting men in the audience. This usually led to competition and additional interest.
"A century ago," Rollino remembered, "muscular biceps, triceps, and forearms were very marketable. Big arms were in demand, not only at Coney Island, but also all over the country. Just about anywhere men gathered, eventually, the sleeves were rolled up and the competition began."
Why were men, 100 years ago, so intrigued by big arms?
Let's turn back the years on the calendar — as Joe Rollino suggested — to a century ago. A look at the economic climate in 1908 and beyond, with a few notes of history concerning the big-arm promoters, will help supply some of the answers.
World War I, which stretched from 1914 to 1918, opened the door to prosperity and the "Roaring Twenties." Increased industrialization, radio, better automobiles, and railway travel improved people's earning power.
Still, skinny teenagers lacking confidence were everywhere, in New York, Pennsylvania, Michigan, California, and Georgia — which set the stage for the muscle-building publishing and/or mail-order success of Alan Calvert, Bernarr Macfadden, Earle Liederman, Charles Atlas, George Jowett, Mark Berry, and Sig Klein. These men knew that progressive resistance exercise provided the best way to get bigger and stronger muscles.
Earle Liederman had one of the most successful mail-order courses related to bodybuilding. In 1928, in his New York office, his business required 96 employees to fill his orders.
Touring strongmen were also popular during this two-decade period. They usually performed in the large and small circuses that circled the country each year or two.
What these strongmen and the early muscle peddlers offered teenagers was much more than hope. It was self-made manhood . . . manhood that stressed strength, athletic skill, appearance, and big arms.
The 1920s offered wealth to many men, especially in the industrialized states.
In Texas, however, there was limited prosperity. My dad, George B. Darden, who graduated from Baylor University Law School in 1927, told me that his first job was that of county attorney in Anahuac, Texas (near Galveston). "My salary was $25 per month," dad said, "which was more than most folks made. In fact, if I had been presented with a contract that guaranteed me $25 per month, for the rest of my life, I would have signed it on the spot." That was in early 1929.
Then, things got worse . . . much worse.
In October of 1929, the stock market in the United States crashed, panic ensued, and eventually 10,000 banks failed. Mass poverty occurred, which launched the Great Depression.
Times were hard in the United States in the 1930s and throughout the world. A man with a great physique, who possessed larger-than-normal-size forearms and upper arms, had a real advantage. He was viewed as an achiever.
The time seemed right for Bob Hoffman. Hoffman was a tall, stout, athletic, young man, who became friends with some of the best American weightlifters and coaches. Shortly after the market crash of 1929, with the mail-order strength business in shambles, Hoffman purchased an oil burner manufacturing plant in York, Pennsylvania. Soon he constructed a weightlifting/training facility at his plant, organized a team, and recruited talented prospects by offering them jobs in his warehouse.
"Bob Hoffman," according to strength historian, John Fair, "was never a great weightlifter, bodybuilder, coach, writer, nutritionist, or businessman, yet he was a great man — chiefly because of his capacity to promote an ideology of success."
His ideas paid off. In 1932 he held the AAU National Weightlifting Championship in York, which started a several-year feud with Mark Berry, head of Milo Barbell Company, publisher of Strength magazine, and coach of the U.S. Weightlifting Team. Eventually, Hoffman got the upper hand when he established his own magazine, Strength & Health; purchased the bankrupted Milo business; and started the York Barbell Company.
In 1938, Hoffman brought John C. Grimek to York. Grimek was the nation's most recognizable bodybuilder and Hoffman reinforced him to win the first AAU Mr. America competitions in 1940 and 1941. Grimek worked closely with Hoffman and the York Barbell Company for almost 50 years.
Depressed conditions continued throughout the country for 12 long years. The United States finally entered World War II in December of 1941, which was generally considered to be the end of the Great Depression. Federal outlays skyrocketed and jobs became plentiful as the country geared up for war.
John Grimek as he appeared on the January 1940 issue of Strength & Health. Not only did Grimek have a great physique, but he was an accomplished weightlifter, having represented the USA at the 1936 Olympics in Berlin.
Bob Hoffman enthusiastically backed the war effort with his writings in Strength & Health magazine. His combination of national regeneration and self-improvement through exercise helped America emerge from the depths of the Great Depression. Hoffman's York team of weightlifters and musclemen not only won Olympic medals and physique contests, but also helped produce and promote his barbells and publications — which brought Hoffman money and power.
Hoffman's businesses prospered throughout the 1940s and 1950s.
Interestingly, Hoffman didn't particularly like bodybuilding competitions. He was primarily a promoter, coach, and fan of Olympic-style weightlifting. Since weightlifting competitions were well established before the introduction of physique displays, the official AAU state, regional, and national championships always placed the physique part at the end of the lifting — which often left bodybuilders flexing their muscles after midnight. Such obvious favoritism didn't sit well with the bodybuilders and their fans.
Even though Hoffman's Big Arms was the bestseller of his numerous books, he simply tolerated the flexing and posing of physique men. As a result, he opened the door for a much smaller rival organization — the IFBB, headed by Joe and Ben Weider — to popularize bodybuilding.
Joe Weider began publishing Your Physique magazine in Canada in 1940. Three years later he moved into the U.S. market. Since Hoffman monopolized the weightlifting market, Weider's magazine focused on bodybuilding. In 1946, Joe was joined by his younger brother, Ben, and they founded the IFBB, which stood for the International Federation of Body Builders. In their minds, competitive bodybuilding was an endeavor worthy of its own independence, as opposed to being the stepchild of weightlifting.
Here's a 1944 issue of Joe Weider's Your Physique, with him on the front. Compare it to his fun-in-the-sun, California cover from 1970. The featured body builder was Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Hoffman effectively combated the Weiders' challenge with some positive changes. But after 20 years, America's tastes had taken a turn toward the California showbiz culture. In the mid-1960s, Weider had taken former AAU competitors — Harold Poole, Larry Scott, and Sergio Oliva — and turned them into IFBB champions. By 1970, Joe Weider was positioned to promote a young bodybuilder with unusual charisma, and the unlikely name of Arnold Schwarzenegger, to international fame.
Compared to the early AAU physique champions, Scott, Oliva, and Schwarzenegger possessed huge size in their arms. Their arms became a powerful marketing tool in Weider's stable of muscle magazines, which were now called Mr. America and Muscle Builder/Power.
Larry Scott won the 1960 AAU Mr. California and was told by Bob Hoffman in 1962 that, if he entered the AAU Mr. America, his chances of winning were not good. Disappointed, he joined Weider's IFBB and went on to win the IFBB's Mr. America, Mr. Universe, and Mr. Olympia.
The year 1971 brought a new competitor into the strength-training arena. His name was Arthur Jones. A year earlier, he began writing a series of "in-your-face articles" for IronMan magazine. IronMan was published by Peary Rader, whose approach was to remain neutral to Hoffman and Weider. Rader acquired a loyal fact-hungry/training-orientated readership — which welcomed the writings of Jones. Jones hard-hitting articles led to the creation of Nautilus machines.
Big arms were a fascination for Jones and some of his early machines and routines were directed at full-range development of the upper-arm muscles. To reinforce his concepts, Jones hired teenage bodybuilder Casey Viator and brought him to his headquarters in Florida. He then trained Viator intensely for the 1971 AAU Mr. America, which by coincidence was held that year in York, Pennsylvania.
Viator easily won the Mr. America title, as well as 5 of the 6 sub-divisions, including Best Arms. These wins put Arthur Jones, Casey Viator, and the Nautilus machines permanently into bodybuilding's historical records. Viator remains the youngest-ever Mr. America.
By the late-1970s, Hoffman was in declining health and his interest in bodybuilding had faded to a trickle. So had the circulation of Strength & Health, which would cease publication in 1986, a year after Hoffman's death.
On the other hand, Joe Weider relocated his entire operation to Woodland Hills, California. His primary magazine, which was renamed Muscle & Fitness in 1980, had dramatically increased its circulation. Furthermore, Weider's IFBB Mr. Olympia had replaced the AAU's Mr. America, as the most prestigious bodybuilding contest in the world. Arnold Schwarzenegger had not only won Mr. Olympia seven times, but had made an even bigger name for himself in the movies, by starring in such box-office hits as Pumping Iron, Conan the Barbarian, Twins, Eraser, True Lies, and Terminator.
Going into the 1990s, the popularity of bodybuilding was at an all-time high. Soon that began to change, as more and more of the professional competitors began to morph themselves with drug-induced, distorted body parts. Interest and participation began to drop. Today's professional contests are little more than freak shows. Sure, Jay Cutler and Ronnie Coleman have gigantically muscular arms and legs, but these parts surround bloated bellies.
In 2003, Joe Weider sold his publishing empire to American Media. Today, well into his 80s, he's in poor health. His brother, Ben Weider, is still President of the IFBB and they both have a 50-percent stake in the Mr. Olympia competition.
What happened to the chiseled athletic look of John Grimek, Steve Reeves, and Frank Zane? Where did the just right combination of mass, muscularity, and symmetry go that propelled Clancy Ross, Robby Robinson, and Samir Bannout to the top?
"The last Mr. Olympia winner," according to Tim Patterson, CEO of T-Nation.com, "who did NOT have that bloated, drug-induced look, was Samir Bannout in 1983."
And what about those impressive arms of Boyer Coe, Casey Viator, Mike Mentzer, Sergio Oliva, and Arnold Schwarzenegger? Where did those types of arms go?
And more importantly, does anybody really care?
My answer is YES.
I believe there are millions and millions of teens, young men, and older men who would like to have bigger, stronger, and more muscular bodies. And almost every one of them would like a pair of more impressive upper arms and larger, stronger forearms. But they need to be influenced and guided by REALISTIC expectations, not freak-show mass and promotion.
The how-to of muscular size is still there — buried under tons of nonsense material on easy ways to massive muscles with new anabolic formulas. It's there . . . in the form of hard work, discipline, and patience.
All the 300 men who attended the Oldtimers Reunion are definitely in favor of a return to sensible, sane training techniques, combined with sound nutrition and drug-free practices.
And big arms? Absolutely. They were important 100 years ago and they're important NOW!
Can big arms become a problem? Sure . . . if all you do is contemplate them or getting them bigger and bigger becomes your life's primary quest.
Again, you must be realistic in what you want and how you approach it.
Four months ago, I visited John Wood in Ann Arbor, MI. John is one of the new strongmen who follows in the footsteps of the oldtimers. His specialty is grip strength (see www.functionalhandstrength.com). Recently, John, during his forearm training, did 33 consecutive reps with the #2 Captains of Crunch gripper. He's also achieved a slow, deliberate close of the #3 gripper.
A sociologist might say that while big arms were an indication of achievement 100 years ago, men today should be more concerned with intellectual success.
A psychologist might say that throughout recorded history, men have had a primal need to acquire domination over other men. This primal need is often demonstrated through combat, athletics, grip strength, or arm size.
A psycho physiologist might say that when times are tough, you may not be able to rely on reasonable gas prices, take a pricy vacation, or bank on your portfolio. But you can, most assuredly, depend on the Iron. And you can always count on big arms to serve you well.
(Sincere appreciation goes to Joe Rollino and the Association of Oldetime Barbell & Strongmen (AOBS) for recognizing and preserving the Iron Game's rich and colorful history. Thanks to Bob Hoffman, John Grimek, Joe Weider, Peary Rader, and Arthur Jones for keeping the quest for big arms alive and meaningful.)
ELLINGTON DARDEN appeared on the cover of Strength & Health magazine several times, the first being in March of 1970. For information on Dr. Darden's latest book, "The New Bodybuilding for Old-School Results," click here.
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September 14, 2005
It was nice of everybody to jump to that conclusion, but in reality I was:
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2) Trying to figure out how to put the Wednesday Advice Smackdown on an impromptu hiatus, because people, I CANNOT WRITE ABOUT SHAMPOO ANYMORE.
I saw my OB this morning, FULLY AND COMPLETELY CONFIDENT that I was going to be told lovely tales of effasement and dilation, because...well, I've been getting these stabbing pains in the lady-business area and I read that this could be a sign of your cervix dilating. And I chose to believe this with my entire being.
So I laid back, smiled proudly when my doctor marveled at my sudden and rapid belly growth ("Yes! The Internet thinks the same thing!"), gritted my teeth in hatred when he told me that keeping my skin moisturized would prevent more stretch marks ("Liar! LIIIIIAARRR!"), and spread my legs for the cervical check.
"No change," he said, and furrowed his Christopher-Guest-in-a-bald-cap brow. "No change at all."
And I made some noise that can only be transcribed as something like, "Whhhaaatttthefucknooocraaap!"
Then he said, "We need to talk about your pelvis."
What followed was a long conversation about my narrow little pelvis and how by the time I hit my due date, it's very likely that I'll need a caesarean section because I am just not built for an eight-pound baby. I'm possibly not even built for a seven-pound baby, but considering my body is showing no interest in going into labor anytime this century, we'll probably blow right past that weight in the next week or so anyway.
And since I Read Things On The Internet Like How Vaginal Pain Equals Dilation And Therefore Know All, I immediately jumped in with the perfect solution: We'll induce! Today! While he's still small enough! We'll beat my pelvis at its own game!
Well, no. Inducing won't work when your cervix is all uptight and whatever. Basically, your body needs to give SOME INDICATION that it would like to start thinking about having the baby before pitocin will do a damn thing. And again, have I mentioned that my body is not doing that? Because it is not?
To make matters worse, the baby is still in the occiput posterior position. This already indicates a difficult delivery. Add in the possibility that he might not fit under the best of circumstances, and again, I'm looking at an eventual caesarean after a lot of fruitless pushing.
(Assvice smackdown: I've done the whole "get on all fours and stick your butt up in the air" thing multiple times, and while he'll rotate temporarily while I'm doing this, he immediately flips back over once I move. What can I say? He's comfy. And stubborn.)
My doctor is certainly willing to let me try for a vaginal delivery, don't get me wrong. He's not claiming that it's impossible or pressuring me to schedule a c-section right away. Not at all. He just wanted to prepare me for the possibility that hey, this could happen, and in his opinion, it's a very likely outcome. Unless my body decides to do some kind of 0-60 labor in the next week or so, which HA.
I want labor. I want Jason to time contractions and feed me ice chips. I want to push my son out. I want to hold and feed him right away.
I don't want a c-section. I don't want to be heavily medicated and separated from the baby for hours. I don't want major surgery. I don't want to rely on other people to carry the stroller and car seat up and down our stairs for weeks.
But I guess, in the end, what I really want is my baby. And what I really don't want is for anything bad to happen to either of us. So I'll just get over myself.
And maybe if I stop thinking angry thoughts about my stupid fucking cervix it will fucking dilate already and we can talk induction next Wednesday.
(And no Advice Smackdown next Wednesday either, because I'm exhausted and have other things to rant about besides hair products. And I'm really, really tired of talking about hair products. Just stop going to the Hair Cuttery and buying shampoo at Rite Aid. That's basically the beginning and end of proper haircare, and it's become clear that no matter how many times I tell you people that Bed Head is a good product line, the Bed Head people are not sending me any free products. And really, what's the point in doing anything if you don't get presents?)


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6 reasons why you need to explore the Northwest Territories
The Northwest Territories are sprawling and daunting and just really, really far away for those of us who live in the southern part of the country. Plus, with the cost of domestic travel, it's hard to justify a family trip to Yellowknife. You could book a seven-day vacation to the Caribbean and drink unlimited pina coladas on the beach for the same cost of a return flight to the northern territory.
Still, there comes a point when we Canadians need to put our hard-earned cash back into exploring our own great nation. The Northwest Territories is full of incredible beauty and history, and is waiting to be explored. With ridiculously long summer days, like in June when parts of the province get nearly 20 hours of daylight, these upcoming months are some of the best time to travel there.
Here are six reasons why you should consider visiting the Northwest Territories.
Explore the Northwest Territories: Nahanni National Park
Sitting 500 kilometres west of Yellowknife is Nahanni National Park Reserve. It's some 30,000 square kilometers and has earned a designation by UNESCO as a world heritage site. Inside the park there's everything from hiking to camping, fishing and rafting, all depending on the season you visit, of course.
Explore the Northwest Territories: Alexandra Falls
Unsurprisingly, the Northwest Territories has a lot of waterfalls. Alexandra Falls is 33 metres tall, making it the third highest in the province. They're beautiful to look at, but imagine kayaking over them? In 2003, American whitewater rafter Alec Voorhees, who was 21 at the time, went over the falls in his rig for fun… and lived to tell the story.
Explore the Northwest Territories: Scott Lake
Scott Lake is a must-visit for any fly fishing enthusiasts. The Scott Lake Lodge, which, as you probably guessed is on the lake, is home to the largest fishing territory in the entire country with half a million acres of productive water. Scott Lake is on the border of the Northwest Territories and Saskatchewan and the Scott Lake Lodge is a slice of cozy comfort literally in the middle of nowhere (the closest paved road is over 560 kilometres away).
Explore the Northwest Territories: Cirque of the Unclimbables
It's hard to capture the just how majestic Cirque of the Unclimbables is in a single photo, but this one does a pretty good job. The granite peaks here in the Mackenzie Mountains natural region are a favourite among veteran climbers, and only professional mountaineers should consider making a climb. Still, you could visit this area just to gawk at the mountains and not actually ascent them.
Explore the Northwest Territories: Northern Lights
The Northwest Territories have been dubbed the "Aurora Capital of the World," so it's no surprise that folks flock from all over the world to experience the Northern Lights here. Yellowknife is situated right below the Aurora Oval and the lack of light pollution from any major roadways or cities makes the sky especially dark during the long winter nights, so viewing the natural light show here is like nowhere else.
Explore the Northwest Territories: Naats'ihch'oh National Park
The Nats'ihch'oh National Park is near the border where the Yukon meets the Northwest Territories. The park is home to all sorts of wildlife, including grizzly bear, sheep, mountain goats and caribou. One of the more adventurous ways to explore the area is by paddling the (slightly intimidating sounding) Broken Skull River.


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