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She is a Forsaken (Humanoid). The creature part does not seem to show up so I guess you have to write both Race type and Creature type in the Race section when you edit for some reason, unless I am missing something with this template. If you put "formerly" High elf then you will have to put "formerly", and then the race, of every Forsaken and Undead that exists in lore. Unless she turns back back into a High Elf, I think Forsaken fits as her "race" pretty well. Rolandius (talk - contr) 09:33, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
- Forsaken is a faction. Undead is a condition. High elf is her race. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 09:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
- Rolandius, before you start an edit war, I strongly recommend you consult the admins about this. This is a discussion we have had before. Forsaken is a faction, not a race. She is still a high elf, albeit an undead one. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 10:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
- I thought it was agreed by everyone that Forsaken was a faction while forsaken was a race? Ok, I am not reverting your stuff on purpose and I will not edit this page any longer until someone sorts it out. I was just following WoWWiki which lists forsaken as a race unless I am missing something. If you just look at any page of a character who is found in those lands of the Forsaken the article lists their race as Forsaken and not Human or High Elf. This would mean we have to change every NPC from Forsaken to whatever their previous race status was and that will be about 100 pages maybe, I am not sure. Also, WoWHead lists her new model as a Humanoid unless they are wrong. Vereesa Windrunner would be an example of a High Elf not Sylvanas.Rolandius (talk - contr)'
- Rolandius, before you start an edit war, I strongly recommend you consult the admins about this. This is a discussion we have had before. Forsaken is a faction, not a race. She is still a high elf, albeit an undead one. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 10:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Yeah technically she is an undead high elf forsaken.
- For the purposes of infobox information, "Undead" is listed as a condition. It can also be creature type, but that's mostly for game mechanics. Sylvanas's status should therefore be "undead", instead of "acitve." The "active" status is reserved for gods (or god-like beings), demigods, and powerful demons.
- As for Race versus creature type, Race is lore, creature type is in-game. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 20:23, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
- Last I heard Sylvanas was in-game also. This would make her a Humanoid like most of her followers and her classification on WoWHead. Does this mean we have to change all the Forsaken (Humanoid) on WoWWiki to something else now? If her status is Undead then the Undead part in her race infobox is just redundant either way. As I said before, most of the forsaken are Undead high elves or Undead humans but we don't put that in their infobox. Sylvanas seems to be the only article on here not following procedure. Rolandius (talk - contr) 01:33, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- Last I checked, this was WoWWiki, not WoWHead. As for race versus lore, "Forsaken (Humanoid)" isn't her "race", it's the convention that has (apparently, as I've never seen a discussion on it) sprung up to deal with actual race versus some form or another of in-game classification. You'll note that most NPCs are classed this way, though it makes little sense to me.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- I thought that was how people figured out, for example, if a satyr was a Demon or for some reason Blizzard made it a Humanoid, or Mechanical, etc. was by checking WoWHead. Unless you went looking for every single NPC in the game and clicked on them, but WoWHead seems faster and easier.
- I didn't say her race was Forsaken (Humanoid). I said her race status was Forsaken and creature status was Humanoid as per template. In the infobox, it would read Forsaken (Humanoid). Just look at any NPC aligned with her and it says race=Forsaken and creature=Humanoid usually. In the infobox, it reads as Forsaken (Humanoid). Isn't that what the template is there for? Or is this a different template for Sylvanus? Now her sister Veressa would be a High elf (Humanoid). This infobox makes it seem like Veressa is just like Sylvanas but they aren't. If you put too much info like Undead/former High elf/Humanoid/Forsaken/Banshee/Ghost it gets a little convuleted. If we followed the other 98% of the NPCs on WoWWiki her status should say Forsaken (Humanoid). Her "Undead" info is already in the Status area of the infobox and the information that she was a former Night elf and Banshee would be in her main page. Whatever you think it should be like I will go with it, but I am just wondering why her page isn't following all the other NPC pages. Unless this template is different and does not show "Creature type" but instead shows "Race type" and "Former Race type"? If so, then you were right from the beginning and I just got mixed up between different templates.Rolandius (talk - contr) 04:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- She's got the same template, but it doesn't seem to be showing creature type as a separate field for some reason... Creature type is an in-game thing, while race is what her actual race is. All the main groups are relegated to humanoid, all dragon-related beings are relegated to Dragonkin. They should be separate fields, so "<race> (<creature>oid)" isn't the way I want to go. As for the undead high elf, it's a clarifier, there's no separate field for that.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 05:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- I tried awhile ago to put Creature type but it wouldn't show up in the page and I don't know why since the other NPCs work. Okay, so we use clarifiers for NPCs that are found both in lore and in-game? I will have to remember that. Why do we have the "Status" part of the infobox though if we are already saying she is Undead in the "clarifier" part of the infobox? I thought the "Status" would be Active like The Lich King's article on WoWWiki. It says Status=Active. Like WoWHead, the Creature status for him is Undead and the Race is Human/Orc. If we use the Sylvanas page as an example, then The Lich King's page should say something like Scourge (former Human/Orc Undead) Status=Undead. It seems like his page makes more sense than Sylvanas' page though as an example for the template and her page should look like his does now. I am confused. Rolandius (talk - contr) 05:37, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- The clarifier is more due to her undead status- Anub'arak, for example could be listed as "undead Nerubian". "former high elf" could be a better way to put it, I suppose, if you want to avoid redundancy. Also Sylvanas, unlike most forsaken, used to be a high elf, while most of them were humans. The Lich King is a god or demigod-like entity, hence, he uses the "Active" status.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:39, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
- Just to adress the issue, Sylvanas was called the only leader to not be her race. But what about Velen? BobNamataki 23:38, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
There is no need to be an edit war here. The Forsaken are both a Faction and a Race, Forsaken being conscious undead. Their state is undead, and they have abandoned their living race in acceptance of their undeath. However, Lady Sylvanas is a High Elf in the state of Undeath. She is not Forsaken, she is an Undead Elf. The Forsaken following her are more accurately characterized as Forsaken Undead, and as I said before the Forsaken are simply conscious Undead with a solid will and control over their own minds. --Vaelkyrix
Something notable maybe?
As of now, Sylvanas' new model is the only one in the game that shows her hair while wearing hood like that, think we should like make a note of that or not? I know it's stupid...but I notice the tiniest details sometimes--Saphiredragon89 (talk) 04:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
- It's a custom part of her model itself, not a separate piece of equipment, so I'd say no, not really. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 07:29, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Why can't we keep the picture?
Well that, I have some reasons why to keep it:
- It is an official model.
- This was discussed on blizzcast.
- It is an official picture taken from Blizzcast.
- Other articles have their beta models: Deathwing, Garona, Valeera Sanguinar.
- So that people who didn't knew about the beta model have the oportunity to see it.
- There are fanarts in the article, why an official picture has to be removed?
Now tell me why it should left out of the article. Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 04:05, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- For one thing, the original and current models are already in the article. If this is just you wanting the beta picture, I believe an individual one was already uploaded and should probably be placed in the gallery. We are not, as you seem to be impling attempting to supress any knowledge of beta models. As to it being on BlizzCast, it isn't our job to document or post everything official coming out of Blizzard. The article has more than enough pictures anyway. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 04:27, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I believe the old model pictures should be removed individually and this one placed as an "Evolution of Sylvanas"--Gurluas (talk) 22:21, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
What does she consider herself as?
I'm just wondering, if she died when Blood Elves were High Evles, does she still consider herself a High Elf, or a Blood Elf? ~~Battm7~~
- Did she gave the forsaken their name? BobNamataki (talk) 23:19, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, in TFT she declared herself, Varimathras and their loyal troops as the Forsaken. She says: "The capital city is ours, but we are no longer part of the Scourge. From here on out, we shall be known as the Forsaken." in A New Power in Lordaeron Benitoperezgaldos (talk) 01:27, November 2, 2009 (UTC)
- Also, she was a High Elf but now considers herself a Forsaken. Even though the Blood Elves split, there are still High Elves. However due to her being the Ranger-General of Silvermoon, she would probably join the blood elves? BobNamataki 23:40, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
I have heard the speculation on more than one occasion that Sylvanas was romantically involved with Nathanos at one point. At first I wrote it off, but the more I thought about it, the more sense it made. For one thing, they are both two almost inherently negative people who speak of each other in a very positive light. Furthermore, they seem to have an unswerving devotion to each other even in undeath. He even seems to worry about what she thinks about him in two separate quest texts. Now that I think about it, both of her sisters were romantically involved with human men at some point. Lckyluke372 (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
I've had the same suspicions for the same reasons, though i came to it from the opposite starting point. I noticed Alleria's and Veressa's hook ups and started to wonder about Sylvanas when the one and only human ranger-lord (later champion of the forsaken) popped into my head. Kinda a special privallage ;). After looking at the quest texts i suspect the same.Warthok Talk Contribs 01:45, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
What is Sylvanas' attitude towards belief? Is she an advocate of the Cult of Forgotten Shadow or does she maintain a vestige of ranger druidism? May be worth mentioning in the article proper. Strength and Honour Horderoyale (talk) 07:38, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
She is, by all accounts, non religious. She is noted as not subscribing to the Cult herself, but not taking any stance against it.Tweak the Whacked (talk) 07:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Is it me, or does the song "Heartbreaker" by Pat Benatar fit Sylvanas a lot? Lyrics here. Your love is like a tidal wave, spinning over my head Arthas' love for his army, and his creations Drownin me in your promises, better left unsaid Would she not have preferred to not hear the promises Arthas made- that they would win and kill all that she loved? Drownin me in your promises, better left unsaid I'm ignoring this line... The invincible winner, and you know that you were born to be Arthas: Too high on his horse, right?
A: This is not a forum B: No Horderoyale (talk) 02:06, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
Changed succession boxes a bit.
Hey, I just put down another succesion box here and one on Varimathras' page to show that he usurped her and she later retook the Undercity. Feel free to remove and/or edit. Toran Wildpaw of the Frenzyheart (talk) 22:10, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
What's her purpose?
I know she's the leader of the Forsaken and has helped free the minds of many undead. But in the bigger picture, won't she just become another villain? Her goal, other than killing the Lich King, is to do what he's attempting now. She's using the Horde's trust to further her goals, and leading up to the events of WotLK, convinced Thrall that the plague she was actually having her Royal Apothecary Society make was a 'cure' for their undeath. Unless having her eyes opened that she's still a fragile, little, naive, arrogant elf and had a change of heart from UC being taken by her most trusted companions and being proven weak... she'll just become the next Lich King, only less than half as powerful. What's gonna happen AFTER Wrath is done? Is she actually gonna try to make the Forsaken a cure? Or go back to trying to wipe out all life and dominate but just get slaughtered in the process? Thrall will continue making a place for the Orcs in the world of Azeroth. Cairne still has Magatha Grimtotem to worry about and leading his people. Vol'jin has yet to claim the Echo Isles back as the troll city. (Given that in-game, it's landmass would need to be increased to sustain one) --Mykael Mourningsun
- I was about to post this here. I agree with you, Sylvanas is a potencial future enemy for the Horde, she IS, indeed, a really dangerous creature, and like you said, I also believe she will be the "next" Lich Queen.
- The new Epilogue in the hardcover Ashbringer comic makes it pretty clear Sylvanas did not know a thing about the plague Putress was making. There really were just 2 factions within the Forsaken which were the ones actually loyal to Sylvanas and those loyal to Varimathras and the Burning Legion. We really do not know whether she actually wants to kill all life or if all the early quests even in vanilla WoW were actually just using her name for Varimthras' plan. Course a conversation like this doesn't really belong on a talk page. Leviathon (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yet in Rise of the Lich King, she personally oversees Faranell testing the plague on both a human and a Forsaken criminal (easier to obtain than actual Scourge), and thinks, "At last, Arthas, you will pay for what you have done. The humans who spawned such as you shall be slaughtered." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Take the epilogue, and the Arthas novel, with a grain of salt each. Both seem contradict each other. Just be happy she's gracing Undercity with her presence.--TheUltimate (talk) 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think Sylvanas will be the next Lich King,but her goals are different from the Horde...Malygos Helper (talk) 10:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Take the epilogue, and the Arthas novel, with a grain of salt each. Both seem contradict each other. Just be happy she's gracing Undercity with her presence.--TheUltimate (talk) 03:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yet in Rise of the Lich King, she personally oversees Faranell testing the plague on both a human and a Forsaken criminal (easier to obtain than actual Scourge), and thinks, "At last, Arthas, you will pay for what you have done. The humans who spawned such as you shall be slaughtered." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
- The new Epilogue in the hardcover Ashbringer comic makes it pretty clear Sylvanas did not know a thing about the plague Putress was making. There really were just 2 factions within the Forsaken which were the ones actually loyal to Sylvanas and those loyal to Varimathras and the Burning Legion. We really do not know whether she actually wants to kill all life or if all the early quests even in vanilla WoW were actually just using her name for Varimthras' plan. Course a conversation like this doesn't really belong on a talk page. Leviathon (talk) 02:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
What about this? Black Iron Golem. Pudim17 (talk - contr) 12:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Rise of the Lich King information
Ok, Rise of the lich king shows how dark Sylvanas is...she kills children, openly expresses her desire to kill everything alive, and shows her love for the devasting effect of the New Plague *which kills everything of coarse*. and she shows her affiliation with the Royal Apothecary Society by overseeing creation of the New Plague alongside them.
This information shows great detail into her character, motives and connection with the RAS and new plague and should be in this article. I would add it but I have no idea where to add it and I rather not move things around. So perheps someone with more experience and has read the novels would know what to do.
On a personal level, I just want to say I hope these Rise of the Lich King things can be put on because. I'm tired of people saying "Sylvanas is Good". Blue Ranger (talk) 22:50, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not entirely sure she wants to kill ALL the living. And remember, she did lament what would happen if it fell into the wrong hands, so she clearly recognized that there were more sinister possibilities. What happened at the Wrathgate, for instance, was probably not what she was intending. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 03:02, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I just feel we should show more of the connection between Sylvanas, New Plague and the RAS *Or at least show what she does and thinks in the novel*.
Currently a person could read these articles and think 'Sylvanas had nothing to do with the New Plague really" but in reality she ordered it to be made and formed the RAS herself and even oversees experiments on races with them *which isn't in the articles from what I can tell*. And though she may not wanna use it on EVERYTHING, we should stress she wants to kill the Scourge and the Humans at least. Blue Ranger (talk) 06:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- All i'm going to say is proceed with caution (whoever does it, i'm going to pass). I think it's a loaded subject and very easy to get over passionate about and have the truth be presented n a less than neutral light. Just be sure that such information goes in her biography section. Keep it seperate from the Battle of the Undercity piece in the WoW section. Relation between the two at this point is still speculative, regardless of peoples personal opinions on the matter.Warthok Talk Contribs 09:14, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Sylvanas isn't bad,nor she is good:she never knew what Putress did until the betrayal.And,remember,that she hates demons,so she will never fight at the same side of the Burning Legion,that entered in Undercity.It is right that she is making a new plague,but it doesn't proof that she wants to be such evil as the Lich King.Her goals are always said by her and by the Forsaken:She wants to have her veangance upon the Lich King,and,once it is done,give a place in the world to the Forsaken.That she likes to kill every creature is normal as she is now an undead.Malygos Helper (talk) 11:52, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Warthok, with respect. this IS about changing and adding new information to the article. I'm just not sure where or how to add this properly from the novel. Perheps it should be added below Wrath of the Lich King but before Battles for Undercity. My point of this section is: Rise of the Lich King novel went into good detail into her character and story connection with the Forsaken and RAS. And should somehow be written into this article or at least have it's own section in the article. I KNOW I shouldn't write or add anything about Sylvanas, because I am a bit biased towards her. But someone else who can keep it neutrel can. Blue Ranger (talk) 17:36, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
- Blue...that was in response to Malygos helper. Your post was about editing the article, that's great. Malygos was getting into the subject itself. That's why it was indented after his post. See WoWWiki:Talk_page_guidelines#Formatting Use : to indent your responses. I fixed yours accordingly.Warthok Talk Contribs 23:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Character traits aside, there are some interesting discrepancies that the novel presents about her form. On pages 233-234, Arthas kills her and raises her much the same as in Warcraft III (No altar), and her body is loaded/flung onto a meat wagon (But not fired from it). Later, on pages 273-274, it is revealed Arthas locked her body in an iron coffin to torment her, and she did not get it back until right before the "Sylvanas' Farewell" interlude (How she gets it is not stated). Her body is oddly (The novel uses that word) said to have no wounds (and possibly little-to-no rot).--User:Sandwichman2448/Sig 22:58, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
- From what I remember (I've forgotten parts of the novel already?) that part was pretty ambiguous. Remember that she did "black out", and Golden might have deliberately excluded descriptions of where Sylvanas came back because she knows we like talking about stuff like that. --Super Bhaal (talk) 03:30, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
New Voice Actor?
It seems Sylvanas has even been given a new Voice actor or at had her lines re-recoreded. I stopped by her room and clicked on her, and I was surprised to find a diffrent voice then normal. Lego3400 (talk) 06:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- Is Sylvanas still voiced by Piera Coppola even after the Patch 3.2.0? TherasTaneel (talk) 11:57, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I doubt it, since this voice actor was of a much lower quality.--WoWWiki-Odolwa (talk) 16:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
- Its definately different, and I totally agree that the new voice actor has nothing on Piera Coppola. I also thought Varimathras sounded different. Did anyone else notice? Scarletsorcerer (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
- Varimathras have sounded different ever since they've changed his model. But Anyway, so all agree it is not Piera Coppola any more, then who is it? TherasTaneel (talk) 18:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Hallow's end
The Dark Lady minimum HP=2,8M? Her minimum HP is 730k, as Hallow's end uses her old model at the wickerman, she there also has old stats, i'm going to put this in the article if you don't mind (you're free to delete it)Malygos Helper (talk) 10:47, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
Battle for the Undercity quotes
Could an enterprising soul please add the things she says during the Battle for the Undercity to her quotes list? I'd do it myself but I'm unsure where to find them and after hearing them once can't remember them exactly. IMO she says some very cool stuff during her fights/conversations. Metalmunki (talk) 00:29, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
Why was my removal of something removed?
The reason I removed those 1 and a half paragraphs was because apon reading it, it seamed like a load of rubbish with the mention of "Uther's Ghost". I don't care if it was a quest chain or something, people should really take concideration on what they ad.--The last Alterac (talk) 02:06, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
- So you're basically saying that you don't care if you removed official information because it sounds like bullshit to you? That's seriously not the right way to go about doing things. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 02:09, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
It didn't sound official at all, in fact; it sounded superficial.--The last Alterac (talk) 02:24, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
- As the guy who wrote said "bullshit", I must ask where you've been the last two months. What was written was essentially what happened. Sylvanas encounters Uther's ghost. Uther warns her the Lich King's on his way, that he can only be destroyed at the Frozen Throne, so on and so forth. Basically a mirror of what he said to Jaina - it's the same event, the same general story (the Lich King is coming, you can't beat him here, you gotta kill him at the Frozen Throne), just a different listener.
- And before you decide to insult me, as you have with others in the past, know this: I make sure to check my sources before writing such things. My source, in this case, is playing as a Horde character in the Halls of Reflection on several different occasions, both live and in the PTR. The information I added here was based on the actual dialogue between Uther and Sylvanas. Check Quest:Frostmourne (Horde) - as in most cases with in-game dialogue events linked to quests, a full transcript of the dialogue is there. I added this quest and dialogue, based on screenshots I took in the PTR, back in November, and (having reliably checked - with two different Horde characters) it has not changed since then.
- Just because you can't be bothered to read it does not disprove it. --Joshmaul (talk) 03:15, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
- Alterac wasn't that you who said he would never edit again and then asked to be banned? Yea that was good, you should have stuck with that. What are you trying to say with "I don't care if it was a quest chain or something, people should really take concideration on what they ad."??? What alternative universe are you living in that you think official information wouldn't or shouldn't be added?Warthok Talk Contribs 04:30, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, lets go ahead and end this conversation before it gets out of hand. User:Coobra/Sig4 06:15, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
To be honest, it was Zeratuel's arguament that persuaded me the most. The rest of you guys were merely redundant. My only defence is; Suspencion of disbelief has failed me, but now for me to rant: How would you guys like it if I edited Muradin's article so it no longer says he died because we never heard "Our hero has fallen", huh huh? You would of all called me blinking mad.--The last Alterac (talk) 06:51, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
As for Warthok's comment: this is a wiki, and one of the things wikis must do is preform NPOV. Now this wiki is clearly biased in that only works liscensed by Blizzard are considered canon. --The last Alterac (talk) 06:57, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
- I'd counter that, but i don't think anyone can make a better case against yourself than that last comment you just made did. Do you honestly not understand how fundamentaly wrong and misguided your thinking is, npov or not?Warthok Talk Contribs 07:00, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
That. Is. Enough. It's pretty obvious that we're keeping the passage, so if you two want to continue this, do it on usertalk. Or if you'd like to discuss WoWWiki's functions, the forums. The matter of changes to this article is closed.--Ragestorm (talk · contr) 14:05, January 1, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with Ragestorm, about the obviousability of the keeping of the paragraphs. And no I do understand how fundermently wrong and misguided my view is, and can't you take a joke, seriously? As that's what my comment of the NPOV is clearly is.--The last Alterac (talk) 12:00, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
Post-Death of the Lich King
Frostmourne contained the souls of those it killed, and Sylvanas was raised as a Banshee by the Lich King, her soul contained within Frostmourne. The Lich King has been killed and Frostmourne has been destroyed. What happens to her soul, and, more importantly, what happens to her, now that her soul has been freed? Ðash †God is dead† [Home][talk] 06:07, February 4, 2010 (UTC)
Consdiering being a Banshee requires your soul (As they are a type of ghost) she was never trapped in Frostmorne Lego3400 (talk) 16:50, July 6, 2010 (UTC)
Sylvanas & the Dark Lady
OK so i have seen it stated that Sylvanas is also known as the Dark Lady however in the Forge of Souls, after Sylvanas finishes her speech she says "Dark Lady watch over you." It seems strange for her to say that if she truly is the Dark Lady but could the Dark lady actually be more of a deity rather than her own title or does anybody know? Kupo! (talk) 14:54, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
- In TFT, it's pretty obvious they're referring to Sylvanas herself. The majority of Warcraft's dark characters are male, and I doubt she was referring to Azshara. It's probably an error on the part of whoever wrote that particular text. --Ragestorm (talk · contr) 15:16, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
- "Dark Lady watches over your" seems to be a common farewell sentence among the Forsaken, obviously refering Sylvanas. As to why does she speak of herself on the third person I have no idea...
- Loremaster A'noob, Arch Druid of the Noobhoof Clan (talk/contribz) 15:25, March 25, 2010 (UTC)
Potential Death?
After reading the conversation between her and Garrosh about the Forsaken gaining Val'kyr, Garrosh stated :"Remember, Sylvanas, eventually we all have to stand before our maker and face judgment. Your day may come sooner than others..." AFTER stationing High Warlord Cromush to "guard" her. Pretty sure this is going to mean that Garrosh will take Sylvanas out if she tries anything, and since she's still using the New Plaugue even after Garrosh told her not to( not sure if Garrosh knows, but he'll find out eventually), I think we are going to see a new Forsaken leader. And with so many Kor'kron already stationed there, an overthrow wouldn't be to hard.
- Eh, I wouldn't be so sure about that. The Forsaken aren't like other races, their leader can't just be replaced. Sylvanas is the reason most of them are no longer Scourge. Just look at the Horde in general. From what we've seen, Thrall voluntarily makes Garrosh warchief, and that in itself incites chaos - **SPOILER** the death of Cairne Bloodhoof (true, he's being poisoned and probably would have died anyway, but had he not felt the need to challenge for the seat of Warchief, he may have discovered his poisoner) and the expulsion of the Trolls from Orgrimmar (and damn near their withdrawl from the Horde). With the strength of the Plague, the Val'kyr, and all the Forsaken adventurers across the world, it would be much easier for Sylvanas to overthrow the Kor'kron within the Undercity. As to Garrosh actually killing her? Not only would that incite chaos within the Undercity (remember, she means a lot to the Forsaken), but it would cost Garrosh 1/5 of the Horde. I think he's just vocalizing what most people think - there's not much love for the Forsaken among the living races - to many they're creepy, sneaky, and disturbing, and I'm sure lots of people would be thrilled if they went away, but they are an important asset to the Horde. Garrosh doesn't have the forces to maintain control in Kalimdor and Lordaeron. If Garrosh "removed" her, the Forsaken would most likely rebel against the Horde, and then there would be war on three fronts. Garrosh, while hot-headed, is smart, and would not want that. Vund223 (talk) 20:19, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
- Garrosh actually does have the forces to take Kalimdor and Lordaeron. After Cairne's death, he retakes Thunder Bluff and help Cairne's son become chieftain, thus gaining the Tauren support again. And with the addition of the Goblins, he also has enough firepower to arm all the ships and seige engines that he's been making with all the timber he's taking out of Ashenvale. As for the Trolls.....there is almost no way they could survive being a rouge nation so close to Horde territory. Though you did bring up a good point, I believe I underestimated the power of the Forsaken, however, they are going to take a terrible hurting from Varian and isn't going to get much support from Garrosh. Gorlack2231 (talk) 20:43, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
- You are correct about the Trolls - they couldn't survive, which I'm sure is why Vol'Jinn doesn't actually leave the Horde, but comes close. I was including the Tauren in my count. My point was, with the Alliance moving in on Horde lands, and with the campaign in Ashenvale and northern Kalimdor accelerating, and with the chaos Deathwing is causing, losing the hold the Forsaken have would be rough - and I'm including the Blood Elves. They owe their acceptance into the Horde to Sylvanas, and with the Sunwell cleansed, they do have the power to stand on their own. Losing the Undercity and Silvermoon would hurt the Horde. I do believe you, though, that Garrosh will most likely just stop supporting Sylvanas's campaigns, but she can handle herself against Varian, who himself will be busy dealing with the problems in Ironforge, as well as his new campaigns in Kalimdor. With everything going on with the Cataclysm, inner-faction politcs will be nothing but a burden to the leaders. Vund223 (talk) 20:57, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
- So........Just agree that Cata will be awesome regardless of political standings? What do you say? Truce between us? Gorlack2231 (talk) 07:07, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
- You are correct about the Trolls - they couldn't survive, which I'm sure is why Vol'Jinn doesn't actually leave the Horde, but comes close. I was including the Tauren in my count. My point was, with the Alliance moving in on Horde lands, and with the campaign in Ashenvale and northern Kalimdor accelerating, and with the chaos Deathwing is causing, losing the hold the Forsaken have would be rough - and I'm including the Blood Elves. They owe their acceptance into the Horde to Sylvanas, and with the Sunwell cleansed, they do have the power to stand on their own. Losing the Undercity and Silvermoon would hurt the Horde. I do believe you, though, that Garrosh will most likely just stop supporting Sylvanas's campaigns, but she can handle herself against Varian, who himself will be busy dealing with the problems in Ironforge, as well as his new campaigns in Kalimdor. With everything going on with the Cataclysm, inner-faction politcs will be nothing but a burden to the leaders. Vund223 (talk) 20:57, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
- Garrosh actually does have the forces to take Kalimdor and Lordaeron. After Cairne's death, he retakes Thunder Bluff and help Cairne's son become chieftain, thus gaining the Tauren support again. And with the addition of the Goblins, he also has enough firepower to arm all the ships and seige engines that he's been making with all the timber he's taking out of Ashenvale. As for the Trolls.....there is almost no way they could survive being a rouge nation so close to Horde territory. Though you did bring up a good point, I believe I underestimated the power of the Forsaken, however, they are going to take a terrible hurting from Varian and isn't going to get much support from Garrosh. Gorlack2231 (talk) 20:43, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
Warcraft III Stats
How come there isn't a page on Sylvanas Windrunner's Warcraft III stats as a high elven Ranger? Numerous times I've needed to find info on it, such as whether or not she ever uses Starfall in battle in the Undead campaign of Reign of Chaos. --Makuta of Oz (talk) 06:53, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
Death Knight
It is not unreasonable to think that Sylvanas be a Death Knight because it was part of the elite of the Scourge and given his ability to summon Army of the Dead or using Death Grip against the players in the End Time. One of the bloodthirsty wizards in The Frozen Throne is Sylvos Windrunner - this may mean that the family belongs to Sylvanas, dispersed among the factions of the Forgotten, the Alliance and Outland. This wizard may even be one of those responsible for the incorporation of the Blood Elves to the Horde. Due to the similarity of names, there are rumors that Sylvanas and Sylvos are very similar in age, they could even be twins. In any case, it is known that the banshee queen has, or had, brothers and sisters in a large family - grandfather (live), uncle (died), three brothers (dead) parents (presumed dead) and other members . However, with the publication of the novel Night of the Dragon the mysterious elf has revealed that could be Zendarin Windrunner.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Clow864 (talk • contr).
- This seems too much like speculation to me, not enough sourced and verified content. Also a spell checker and perhaps an english dictionary may be useful in getting your point accross. Macrophager (talk) 03:29, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
- This is all your argument? which is an elven ranger?? a Ranger is a mage, hunter and warrior, who is the dark ranger? one necromancer, hunter and a death knight, when they died and their bodies recovered, lost its grip on the magic of the forest, but won necromancy, that the death knight becomes a layman, but with bow and without the presence of frost, certainly my English not very good, but for that there is the editing tool, if someone edit it wrong to fix Clow864 (talk) 16:15, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- It is not unreasonable to think that Sylvanas be a Death Knight because it was part of the elite of the Scourge and given his ability to summon Army of the Dead or using Death Grip against the players in the End Time.
- That's the only part of what you said that has any bearing on your argument. Relatives have no bearing. So all the argument boils down to is that Sylvanas had the ability to Death Grip and summon ghouls in the instance. All her other abilities are ranger-centric in the encounter. Blizzard has given NPCs abilities outside of their lore-given class plenty of times; you can go through wowhead's database to see how many use Death Grip that aren't death knights at all. Raylan13 (talk) 16:31, October 29, 2013 (UTC)
- Give it, you're the boss and you who is right, clears the discussion and point, by the way, you're wrong on the part that there are other classes besides death knight use death grip, if some npc who can use death grip, it is because they are linked to necromancy, the other case is the death knighs of Gul'dan, which were only witches necromancer with some skills that use the death knight today Clow864 (talk) 06:00, October 30, 2013 (UTC)
- I can already do the editing? considering that only you refute what sylvanas possibility that windrunner be a death knight, my other single English critic and argument submitted by you is really a despot so if some other user than you contest and decisive manner convinciente sylvanas that is not a death knight then not coming back to put the editing, you think? Clow864 (talk) 04:27, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
The Dark Lady's Ambiton Not Tyranny
i think theres a difference between a villain like lich king and the dark lady whose primary goal was to save her people at the first place I saw some guys talkin about her being a villain like lich king but this is an insult to the high elven people's very face . because whatever she is or would be she still cares about the people she works with and also cares about the blood elves for which she sent her full force to defend the ghostlands from the advance of the scourge and she also helped in many occasions of the horde taking down its mutual enemies such as worgens of the gilneass and she also helped her people in becoming one of the horde officially after they managed to take darkhan the traitor of ghostlands down , which was also with the help of the forsaken and the banshee queen so it is stupid to call her anything close to be vicious or villain she is ambitious just like any other leader of the horde or alliance but if she would be a potential enemy of the horde even then she is only walking through her pass of conquest of azeroth just like any other leaders doing so even if they don't wonna admit it and lets not forget it was the garosh the leader of the horde who was the first to slauther people for his own ambitious goals which led to a massive battle at the siege of orgimmar . and it was the alliance who first started a war after the peace that was in place between horde and alliance after the defeat of the archimond at the mount hyjal's top. so far less than any other could anyone claim for lady sylvanas to be a villain. and I expect not to hear this no more of this naïve talks about her.
Anya Of Silvermoon , horde, Ranger.
Why does Sylvanus' eyes does not look like the ones from the Legion Cinematic Trailer and the In-Game?
Since i watched the Battle of Azeroth Trailer. Sylvanus has regular eye whites on her eyes instead of red scalera.
That does not make any sense to Blizzard games. I liked it when elven eye whites are blue, red, green and other colors instead of white eye whites just like Draenei, Blood Elves and other races. :\ FeruEnzeru (talk) 02:49, November 4, 2017 (UTC)
That is a very good question.
I suppose a close enough answer would be what a user posted on Reddit in regards to the Legion trailer and i quote "It was a choice made by the cinematics and animation team, to make her look more undead while still keeping in mind that she's a former high elf. High cheek bones, refined features, but still dead."
All in all, it seems to be more of a realistic approach insofar as the trailers are concerned. Just my two cents. TessaVarzi (talk) 04:54, November 4, 2017 (UTC)TessaVarzi


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|*September 26 - October 2
A New Order
Read for This Week's Study:
Gen. 15:14-16; Lev. 10:1-11; Numbers 1-4; Jer. 23:23, 24; John 14:15-18, 23.
Memory Text:
"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come" (1 Corinthians 10:11, NIV).
|A Christian struck up a conversation
with another man, a professional biologist. Looking for a way to witness,
the Christian asked, "Don't you see the hand of a Creator when you study
the things that you do?"
Without missing a beat, the biologist answered, "Wher- ever you look, either outwardly or inwardly, you see order."
However much our world has been damaged by sin, we still can see the working of our Creator in the design and order of the natural world. Even one fanatical Darwinist was forced to admit that nature is something that gives "the illusion of design."
Illusion? Please. Design and order are real, and they represent the hand of our Maker.
But God's order doesn't end merely with nature. It is seen also in His dealing with His covenant people, the Israelites, even as they wandered in the wilderness. This week we'll look, firsthand, at how God organized His people for their sacred calling, and we'll draw some lessons for ourselves today.
*Study this week's lesson to prepare for Sabbath, October 3.
|September 27
Organizing the Army
Having miraculously escaped from Egypt, the multitudes of Israel flowed into the wilderness of Sinai. Encamped around the mountain, they heard the voice of God proclaiming His will (Exodus 20). Despite such an incredible manifes-tation of God's power, some fell away and worshiped the golden calf (Exodus 32). After that debacle, the repentant nation spent time building a portable sanctuary (Exod. 25:8). The work was completed on the first day of the first month in the second year (Exod. 40:17).
It was in the following month that the Lord proceeded to organize the nation more thoroughly (Num. 1:1) than it previously had been. And it's at this point, with the new organization, with this new order, that the book of Numbers picks up the sacred story of God's working with His covenant people.
What kind of census did the Lord ask Moses and Aaron to draw up, and why? Num. 1:2, 3.
The Israelites were not a warlike nation. Their occupation had been that of shepherds, cattle herding (Gen. 47:3). Furthermore, at this point they were recently freed slaves, without weapons or training for war. It may seem strange for the Lord now to organize them into troops. But it must be remembered that their task involved the displacement of several nations of the most wicked and corrupt people in the Near East, including the Amorites and Canaanites. Israel would serve as God's executioners of these nations who had filled the cup of their transgressions (Gen. 15:14-16). Israel was now a theocracy, directed by God Himself, and they were a people, a might army, on the move.
Read Genesis 15:14-16 (see also Deut. 9:5). What's implied here? How can they help us understand Israel's wars with the Amorites?
At the time of Abraham, God would not allow the Amorites to be destroyed. Here God revealed His long suffering. "The Amorites were at enmity against His law; they believed not in Him as the true and living God; but among them were a few good persons, and for the sake of these few, He forbore long."The SDA Bible Commentary, Ellen G. White comments, vol. 1, p. 1093.
|Many folks are troubled by the Israelite destruction of these people, and understandably so. Why, in cases such as this, in which there is much we don't understand, do we simply need to go by faith, trusting in the goodness of God, who has revealed Himself to us in Jesus? John 14:9.
|September 28
The Presence of the Lord
To what task was the tribe of the Levites appointed? Num. 1:50-54.
Moses pitched the portable tabernacle in the middle of Israel's encampment. The Levites pitched their tents around it, on all four sides. Their presence acted as a kind of barrier, protecting the place where God manifested His presence.
Why was it set up this way? The Bible doesn't come right out and say, yet some important lessons can be learned from this arrangement.
Yahweh, the living God, was in their midst. He, the Creator, was among His people--so what could overcome them if they remained faithful? And yet, at the same time, they pitched their tents at a distance from the tabernacle (Num. 2:2), and that was because He was holy, and so they, as sinners, as fallen beings, could come only so close. Thus, on one hand, they had the reality of God's closeness and compassionate care; at the same time, they constantly were reminded of His greatness and holiness and that only through mediation could they, as sinners, approach a holy God.
What do other Bible writers say about God's distance (transcendence) and nearness (immanence) to humanity? Ps. 139:1-10; Isa. 57:15; Jer. 23:23, 24; John 14:15-18, 23.
"At all times and in all places, in all sorrows and in all afflictions, when the outlook seems dark and the future perplexing, and we feel helpless and alone, the Comforter will be sent in answer to the prayer of faith. Circumstances may separate us from every earthly friend; but no circumstance, no distance, can separate us from the heavenly Comforter. Wherever we are, wherever we may go, He is always at our right hand to support, sustain, uphold, and cheer."Ellen G. White, The Desire of Ages, pp. 669, 670.
|In what ways have you yourself experienced the reality of God's presence, His compassionate care, and closeness? On the other hand, what things are you doing that keep you from an even deeper intimacy with God?
|September 29
Under the Standards
"So the Israelites did everything the Lord commanded Moses; that is the way they encamped under their standards, and that is the way they set out, each with his clan and family" (Num. 2:34, NIV).
Read Numbers 2. Talk about organized religion! What is one thing that becomes apparent about how the Israelites were supposed to live?
The government of Israel was characterized by a very precise organizational structure, seen, for example, in how the Lord had arranged for the camp itself to be ordered and where the people were to pitch their tents. The Hebrew camp was separated into three great divisions, each having its appointed position in the encampment, all based on family and tribal ties.
The position of each tribe in the camp also was specified. Each was to march and to encamp beside its own standard. Nothing was left to chance. The Lord carefully and precisely had organized the nation. And though they were one people, their distinctive family connections were not broken.
Read Numbers 2:34. What does this tell us about how, despite the clear organizational pattern, the Lord left room for the distinctness and uniqueness of the various tribes? What lessons can we draw from that for ourselves?
|Why is it so important for the church today to be organized, as well? What happens when folks are left to do their own thing? Why is that so often a recipe for chaos and deception? How has belonging to an organized body helped you in your spiritual walk?
|September 30
Call to Ministry
In memory of their deliverance from Egyptian slavery, the death of the Egyptian firstborn, and the deliverance of their own under the sign of the blood, God requested Israel's firstborn to be dedicated to Him (Exod. 13:2, 12-15).
God our firstborn? That's very intense. What
powerful lesson should we take from this about how much we owe the Lord for
our redemption and deliverance? Why, in this context, is pride and
self-sufficiency so sinful?
At Mount Sinai, the Lord did an exchange for the firstborn of all Israelites. Instead of them, He would take the Levites in their place (Num. 3:12, 13). This act, then, required the numbering of the Levites, who until that point had not been numbered with the rest of Israel. Moses is told to number the Levite males from a month upward (vss. 14, 15). To make the exchange, Moses then counted the male firstborn children of a month old and older. Their total came to 22,273-that is, 273 more firstborn Israelites than there were Levites.
were the extra Israelites to do for their redemption?
To whom was it given?
The Lord also dedicated the Levites to Aaron and his priestly sons and descendants; they were to assist in the worship of God and the care of the tabernacle. In a sense, they were called to the ministry of the church in the wilderness.
Once the Hebrews reached the Promised Land, the Levites continued to be attached to the sanctuary in a variety of tasks (1 Chron. 23:27-32). Scattered through the tribal areas, some became teaching Levites (2 Chron. 17:7-9); others became judges (2 Chron. 19:8-11), instructing the people in the ways of God.
|In what ways can you see the Cross, the substitutionary death of Jesus (John 3:16), prefigured in these substitutionary rituals? What does it mean that Jesus substituted Himself for you? How should knowledge of this reality change your life?
|October 1
Protecting the Sacred
In establishing the system of worship at Sinai, God selected one family of the Levites to function as priests. This work was laid out in Numbers 4. Moses consecrated Aaron as high priest and his four sonsNadab, Abihu, Eleazar, and Ithamaras assistant priests. The rest of the tribe of Levi would help the others but would not function as priests. It is obvious that every working Levite had his place and service, harmoniously working together to preserve and protect the sacredness of Israel's worship system.
No question, the Levites had been given a solemn responsibility. The same with the sons of Aaron, who would function as priests before the Lord in the tabernacle. Think about what they were called to do. The Lord Himself, the Creator, revealed His presence among them in the sanctuary (Num. 14:10, 11), a powerful reminder to them that their safety and security existed only in Him, the One who had redeemed them from Egypt. These priests were the mediators between a Holy God and a fallen people. In their roles, too, of course, they were symbols of Jesus, our true High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary (Hebrews 8).
Read Leviticus 10:1-11. What happened, and what lessons are there for us today?
It is hard to imagine that these young men, given such a sacred responsibility and who already had been given so much (see Exod. 24:9-11), would violate so openly an express command of God. However hard and harsh their punishment might seem to us, it only underscores the reality of just how sacred the responsibility given them was. No doubt others got the message about how seriously the Lord expected His commandments regarding the sanctuary to be carried out.
"To handle sacred things as we would common matters is an offense to God; for that which God has set apart to do His service in giving light to this world is holy. Those who have any connection with the work of God are not to walk in the vanity of their own wisdom, but in the wisdom of God, or they will be in danger of placing sacred and common things on the same level, and thus separate themselves from God."Ellen G. White, Evangelism, p. 639.
Read carefully Leviticus 10:10. How can we today distinguish between the holy and the common, between the clean and unclean? Bring your answer to class on Sabbath.
|October 2
Further Study:
|The theme of God's holiness runs like a silver thread throughout Scripture.
Define it. What relation does it have to the believer?
11:44, 45;
Pet. 1:15, 16.
"Angels work harmoniously. Perfect order characterizes all their movements. The more closely we imitate the harmony and order of the angelic host, the more successful will be the efforts of these heavenly agents in our behalf. If we see no necessity for harmonious action, and are disorderly, undisciplined, and disorganized in our course of action, angels, who are thoroughly organized and move in perfect order, cannot work for us successfully. They turn away in grief, for they are not authorized to bless confusion, distraction, and disorganization. All who desire the cooperation of the heavenly messengers must work in unison with them. Those who have the unction from on high will in all their efforts encourage order, discipline, and union of action, and then the angels of God can cooperate with them."Ellen G. White, Testimonies to Ministers, p. 28.
Discussion Questions:
| Talk about the idea of organized religion. Why are some
people so hostile to it? Why, though, is it necessary? At the same time,
what are the potential problems that it brings? How can we learn to work
better with the church system, despite the problems that arise?
Talk about your answer to Thursday's question. In class, make a list of what is holy and what is common. How can we know the difference? In what ways does our culture impact our understanding of these things? Or our education? How, for instance, might the idea of melding Darwinian natural selection with our faith be a mixture of the sacred with the profane? What other examples can you think of?
Dwell more on the idea of substitution, as revealed in Wednesday's lesson study. Why is this concept so central to the whole plan of salvation? How did, and still does, Jesus function as our substitute, and why is that so important?
|God is a God of order. Once the tribes were assembled in the wilderness before Mount Sinai, He began to organize them around the tabernacle. First, Israel's armies were organized, and the encampment of each tribe was selected, as was their order of march. The Levites encamped as a barrier around the tabernacle, and were given specific directions regarding their service in transporting it and erecting it. The holy God was in their midst as Israel was on the move.
|I N S I D E Story
|The Eager Student
by CHARLOTTE ISHKANIAN
Lijalem grew up as a farmer's son in Ethiopia. He was very bright, but his parents saw no need to send him to high school. After all, why would a farmer need so much education? But Lijalem had a burning desire to study, and because his parents recognized his special gifts, they allowed him to enter secondary school. He was older than most students in high school, but he was determined to do well.
The secondary school was some distance from home, so Lijalem rented a small house in which to live. Every weekend he returned home to see his par-ents, to serve in his local church, and to help on the farm. When he returned to school, his mother made sure that he had enough food to last a week.
Lijalem noticed that many students at the secondary school were Seventh-day Adventists. He had seen Adventist churches in his neighborhood and wondered what these people believed. He listened as students shared their beliefs with him. He was curious about the Sabbath, for traditionally his church also worshiped on the Sabbath. But over the years the tradition was set aside in most congregations. Only a few old priests remembered worshiping on Sabbath.
Lijalem's Adventist friends invited him to visit the Adventist church in town, and he accepted the invitation. Soon he was attending regularly. His friends taught him how to keep the Sabbath, and in time he joined the baptismal class.
He began telling his family and friends what he had discovered. Some, including his father, thought he was crazy; but others listened to what he said. However, when he was baptized, his parents sent him away from his home.
His friends saw how he was treated and noticed that he did not retaliate when treated badly. One by one those with whom he had shared his faith fol-lowed him to the Adventist Church. Today 18 former members of his former church have joined the Adventist Church. All of these have experienced dif-ficulties similar to Lijalem. But they are not discouraged.
Lijalem says that it was the youth of the secondary school that he attended who prepared the way for him to become an Adventist. After finishing high school, Lijalem became a lay evangelist. Because of his love for sharing the gospel, he has been assigned to serve as a Global Mission pioneer in western Ethiopia. In the first nine months in the field, Lijalem led 15 people to the Lord.
Some 85 percent of the Adventists in western Ethiopia are young people. Adventist youth are reaching out to their friends and bringing them to Christ. Our mission offering helps provide materials and support for these young people as they share their faith. Thank you!
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Public meeting Jan. 22 for new roundabout at intersection of Geddes and Ridge roads
The Washtenaw County Road Commission will be hosting a public meeting in January on the planned construction of a roundabout at the intersection of Geddes and Ridge roads in Superior Township.
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The intersection is currently a four-way stop. Traffic there has increased this fall as a result of the opening of the new South Pointe Scholars Charter Academy at the intersection, said Matt MacDonell, senior project manager for the Road Commission.
Construction of the $1.1 million single lane roundabout is slated to begin in June and finish in August as to not interrupt school traffic, MacDonell said. Work will completely close the intersection while it is being completed, MacDonell said.
The project also includes the removal and replacement of the Ridge Road culvert over Fowler Creek, which is just south of the intersection.
The project will be paid for cooperatively by the school and by the Road Commission, and has not yet been put out to bid.
A roundabout is smaller in diameter than a traditional traffic circle and forces vehicles to travel at speeds between 15 and 20 miles per hour.
There is currently a roundabout on Geddes Road at the intersection of Superior Road.
The project will be the second roundabout constructed in Washtenaw County in 2013, as the Road Commission is planning to build a roundabout at State and Ellsworth roads in Pittsfield Township.
View Washtenaw County Road Commission work in a larger map
Amy Biolchini covers Washtenaw County, health and environmental issues for AnnArbor.com. Reach her at (734) 623-2552, firstname.lastname@example.com or on Twitter.
Scott Batson
Mon, Jan 7, 2013 : 8:28 p.m.
The FHWA has a video about modern roundabouts that is mostly accurate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhHzly_6lWM ). Modern roundabouts are the safest form of intersection in the world. Search www.iihs.org for FAQs and safety facts.
Rob Pollard
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 11:31 p.m.
"The project will be paid for cooperatively by the school and by the Road Commission, and has not yet been put out to bid." What does that mean - 50/50? 75/25? Some other split? This is a privately-operated business (I know they use public money, but they are privately operated). Unless they were forced to use this site by the state/govt, they should be paying for the large majority of this upgrade which they caused. There is absolutely nothing else immediately around there, so they are the sole reason for the traffic issues.
Tom Todd
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 11:16 p.m.
Folks YOU YIELD or STOP for those ALREADY IN the ROUNDABOUT.
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 5 a.m.
I hate when people just stop mid way IN the roundabout or don't yield and nearly cause an accident. It is not hard.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 9:33 p.m.
This has been kicked around before ground was broken for the South Pointe Scholars school. WHY did the school have to waste money on intersection improvements when the roundabout could've been completed at the time of the school's construction?
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 2:23 a.m.
Paul, have you actually been to West Bloomfield? I'm there quite a bit and haven't seen any trouble at the roundabouts. Far from it - there's no waiting, and it appears that a good 95+% of the people use them correctly (even all the old rich folks who live there).
Rob Pollard
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 11:37 p.m.
I agree on the 4-way stop. Right now, I just avoid the area at drop-off/pick up times. Outside that one hour a day, this intersection is completely fine. The intersection that DOES need improving is just to the east, at Geddes and Denton, which is a 4-way stop. During "rush hour", it can get quite backed up on Geddes, I assume b/c people coming off I-94 at Mich Ave take Denton north to get to Cherry Hill Village and other parts of Canton. Since money is limited, either put a real traffic light or a roundabout THERE.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 11:13 p.m.
HB11, you ask an excellent question. And, originally we were told the corporation running the school was going to pay for road improvements. Now it's a joint effort? The 4 way stop could easily and cheaply be turned into a traffic light. Why not? The traffic there is only bad at school times. The rest of the day there's very light traffic. And when school is out all summer, again, no traffic to speak of.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:34 p.m.
Schools are the worst places for new stuff, more crashes will happen and even minor accidents can kill little kids. West Bloomfield was to get so many roundabouts but they stop building all they first plan on due to the problems they created. Did I bring up how hard it to WALK across a runabout...you RUN to the center and wait till you can dart across a second time. God forbid a "minor" accident happens and a car jumps the curb and enters the center area where people sometimes stand
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:57 p.m.
Flat out stupid idea in the first place...nanny state crap....lawsuit bait....
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 11:11 p.m.
And get off my lawn.....
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 9:05 p.m.
You forgot to add "Get off my lawn!"
harry b
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:13 p.m.
I used to hate these things but the more I used them the easier they became. Now I love them. That make driving so much faster and you save a lot of gas.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:28 p.m.
Back when traffic lights just stayed red for 20--30 seconds traffic moved much quicker.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:12 p.m.
Our gravel (mostly mud) road needs 12" of new gravel to restore the grade of the road to that of our driveways. Ann Arbor -Saline road is a mess of pot holes on either side of the I-94 overpass. Could we spend money on these types of projects before re-doing intersections that are otherwise in good repair?
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 2:18 a.m.
OK, I'm a roundabout fan but I'm rather sympathetic to your complaint about Ann Arbor-Saline. People drive just about everywhere but in an actual lane there trying to avoid the suspension-breaking potholes. And G-d help you when it's snowy and you catch a rut. I'm pretty sure out-of-towners coming in for a sporting event think they've entered a third world country when they get off at that exit.
harry b
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:14 p.m.
I would say more people use Geddes that your gravel road. More bang for the buck.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:04 p.m.
y do we have these beautiful paved roads in this part of the county but we have one laners and bad traffic in Pittsfield by the new Cotsco, with 9 times the volume of traffic? I never understand why we don't focus our limited resources better in this city and county of ours. there is never any real traffic out there but let's keep making fancy road designs there. Meanwhile packard road, platt road and the rest remain one lanes, with no left turn lanes heading out of town from downtown.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:26 p.m.
That to catch the smash and grabs thief's from Cotsco, lol
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:04 p.m.
Roundabouts are great once driver's understand how to use them properly and the sit and wait for the entire circle to be empty before entering (e.g. Nixon and Huron Parkway). Please look at the Green/Nixon/Dhu Varren intersetion. Looks like a drunken sailor engineeered it. There is no better candidate for a roundabout.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:25 p.m.
Yeah they make the lanes wavily so traffic slows down. Roads use to straight as an arrow, today they make them not so straight-I swear, only expressways and a few main roads are built right anymore.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:05 p.m.
Oops, that would be "not sit and wait"
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 7:30 p.m.
A public meeting is not necessary. You are gonna do it anyway!
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 6:55 p.m.
I would not even waste my time going to this meeting. It will happen whether it is wanted or needed. Pittsfeild is planning one at State and Ellsworth. Nothing has even been considered for making Ellsworth wider so... if your on I 94 heading east and the freeway has any kind of accident don't take Ellsworth Road. Yes you won't have to wait at the light but you won't be moving either.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:21 p.m.
Yep, they are going to do as they please, their minds are made up.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 6:35 p.m.
Is anyone actually FOR roundabouts? Please stop making these.
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 1:23 p.m.
I can drive through them just fine, I just hate them because most people can't. I've never heard anyone say that the rules of a stoplight are hard. There's literally a game for little kids called green light red light.
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 1:19 p.m.
@Hail2thevict0r, that is what a yield sign means. IF someone is in the circle you slow or stop to allow them to pass. Lee Road is quite busy and yes, I've had to stop many times when traffic was already in the circle. They still keep traffic flowing better than signal lights ever could at that same intersection.
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 2:06 a.m.
It's actually one of those things that's great in theory AND great in real life. As my 80-year-old mom just said to me last week, "I like them because the rules are simple." C'mon, if an old lady can do it, I'm pretty sure you can, too. No need to resist change just because it's in your nature to do so.
John Q
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 12:17 a.m.
They're great. My experience is that people who don't like them are usually poor drivers who can't seem to get down anything but a perfectly straight road.
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 12:13 a.m.
HB, I'd love to see you bust right through the circle, or should I say circles, at Lee road without stopping 1 time.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:19 p.m.
People aren't stupid-on a whole-they just have different styles of driving. Some need just a little space to feel safe to enter while others need to have the whole roundabout clear or they gotta sit there for a while before they enter with other cars around. Plus the roundabouts are made too small to force traffic to slow way down and the lanes after the roundabout taper off too quickly. The whole idea is to slow traffic DOWN--not speed it up. Oh sure, the big long lines for the long red lights are gone but even when no traffic is around you gotta slow way down to get through the intersection.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 9:29 p.m.
Please see my response to Dexter Man above.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:28 p.m.
It's one of those things that's great in theory but sucks in real life.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:22 p.m.
The problem with roundabouts is the same with everything, people are stupid. You have a system built around people being smart, sharing and yielding to people. In the end they turn into circles of death where old people are confused, teenagers speed through ignoring everything and almost every time I enter one someone does something wrong. I'd much rather wait a minute than have the chaos which is a roundabout.
harry b
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 8:16 p.m.
I love them
Ann English
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 6:52 p.m.
Back in 2005 and 2006, I used Geddes Road to get to Canton. The scenery was pretty, but there were long lines of traffic waiting for turns to go at Geddes and Ridge Roads. So I stopped using Geddes and started using Michigan Avenue. With a roundabout, I don't see lines waiting for turns to go any longer than six vehicles. I don't mind the one at Huron Parkway and Nixon, or the one at Geddes and Superior. Unlike those at Lee and US-23, these roundabouts, as well as the three on North Maple Road near Skyline High, are only two lanes wide; you shouldn't have trouble deciding which lane you want to be in, in order to get to your destination. With two lanes, you don't need overhanging signs telling you where this lane or that lane takes you, as in the Lee Road roundabouts.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 6:49 p.m.
They are wonderful! I love them, if most folks follow certain rules. If you are coming in to the roundabout , please do not occupy both lanes. The second right lane also allows the incoming traffic to share the road. AND,please do not stop if you do nto have to. The basis of the roundabout is the childhood expectation - share!
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 6:21 p.m.
smaller?.. hmmm This seems like overkill . why spend the money on this?.
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:13 p.m.
So you can't blow through the intersections at 3 am and vanish...ha ha ha
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 6:16 p.m.
Roundabouts move traffic quicker than intersections. This is incontrovertible, whether people like them or not. The one by WCC has cut what used to be a five minute wait down to nothing.
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 2:08 a.m.
Yeah, and I'm sure you're ready to produce the traffic studies that show there's the exact same volume of traffic as there was in the 80's. Oh, nevermind. Why try to reason with someone who thinks everything is the government's fault?
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:11 p.m.
What happen is the traffic lights stayed red too long-like for those green arrows to turn left. In the old days-the 80's, lol-there was few to no green arrows to turn left-people just knew how to turn a car better back then. Traffic did not bottle up at the lights like they do now. The gov. created a problem and now is turning to run abouts to solve it. People don't know how to drive as well since they get their full drivers license later and later in life and then there is the good old cell phone to mess with also while driving, ha ha.
Dexter Man
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 6:07 p.m.
I hate these things.
Thu, Jan 3, 2013 : 3:49 a.m.
People behind me hate those things!
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 10:06 p.m.
Oh sure long as you can see clearly, try it with a big SUV on your side-that doesn't know how to drive or your in the wrong lane-the right lane and you want to go 3/4 around and get hit by somebody going only 1/2 way around. We got many around my home, I see aftermath of crashes all the time, nobody might get injured but boy do they cause the damage. One round about here in W.B. had to get traffic lights for rush hour cause there was so many crashes, lol
Wed, Jan 2, 2013 : 9:28 p.m.
You are probably one of the folks who comes to a complete stop at the yield sign before entering the circle. They work wonderfully.


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"Colonial Life is partnering with the LMC Foundation to offer the 2013 Partners Program," said Tim James, Executive Director and Vice President of the Lexington Medical Center Foundation. "This program welcomes high achieving Lexington County high school students for an intensive three-week internship to explore careers in health care. The Foundation is proud to help develop the best and brightest future employees of Lexington Medical Center."
The students focus on clinical training around the hospital and interact with hospital staff in assigned clinical areas. They participate in real-world, career experiences by helping with bed making, checking vital signs, stocking supplies and general duties while being supervised by a mentor. In addition, students take part in field studies including a tour of the USC School of Medicine, Midlands Technical College Health Science Programs, LMC Laboratory and LMC Extended Care.
Approximately 101 students from Lexington County high schools applied for the Partners Program in a rigorous interview process with a panel of hospital staff members and a written application. Sixty aspiring clinical health professionals were selected to participate. Lexington Medical Center will award a $1,000 book scholarship to one rising senior from each Lexington County High School, home school and private school, for a total of 13 scholarships.
The Partners Program is divided into two sessions: June 8 – 28 and July 8 – 26. Students are in clinical areas from 12:45 p.m. to 3:00 p.m. weekdays. Throughout its history, some Partners Program participants have returned to work at Lexington Medical Center when they complete their education.
Congratulations 2013 Partners Program Participants:
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Bindi Chauhan, Lexington High School
Brionna Bennett, Dutch Fork High School
Brooke Sawyer, Irmo High School
Caroline Hill, Lexington High School
Catelyn Geiger, Lexington High School
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The timing on this batch of new movies couldn't be worse as the entire East Coast just burned through a ton of movies while cowering in fear of Irene.
Tyler Perry's Madea's Big Happy Family
The latest family comedy from Tyler Perry, the man's art isn't our cup of tea, but Spike Lee really should cool it with the "coonery" comments--and the posters for this film have been nothing short of awesome. Watch the trailer
Aimee Teagarden of "Friday Night Lights" fame leads a band of teenagers as they get ready for the most anticlimactic night of their young lives. Watch the trailer
Adrian Brody awakens amid the wreckage of a car in a ditch with no recollection of who he is or how he got there. Watch the trailer
The Perfect Host
David Hyde Pierce plays a man whose preparations for a dinner party are rudely interrupted by a man on the run from the cops in this psychological thriller where the tables keep getting turned. Watch the trailer
A coming-of-age story about a guy trying to figure out what to do when the roller rink where he works is about to get shut down. Stars Shiloh Fernandez, Ashely Greene and James LeGros. Watch the trailer
Forks Over Knives
A documentary exploring the possibility that America's animal-based diet is at the root of most of the illnesses that plagues us. Watch the trailer
If a Tree Falls: A Story of the Earth Liberation Front
A doc about group of environmentalists who went to war against corporate America and found themselves branded as terrorists. Watch the trailer