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Recent Safety Gear Reviews
BearVault BV500
All bear canisters are heavy and bulky, but this one makes up for some that by being transparent, secure, versatile, and fairly priced. If you're in a place that requires a canister then this is an excellent choice. I've had my Bearvault BV500 for many years now and have used it several times in the high Sierra of California. It's my guess that no one wants to carry a bear canister due to their bulkiness and weight, but the BV500 has some features that make is a good choice when you have no choice… Full review
Sea to Summit Escapist Ultra-Mesh Bug Tent
A non-free standing shelter by design that works well with a variety of conditions and platforms. It can be pitched with a pair of trekking poles or in between two trees. It's a versatile shelter that can be used as a ground shelter or even as a hammock tarp. Since this is a modular system, the weight can be easily be distributed between two people. Best used for 3-season backpacking and can be used as a solo or 2-person shelter. Manufacturer Specs: http://www.seatosummit.com.au/products/bug-protection/escapist/… Full review
Exotac FireRod
A high quality fire starter tool. FIRE -- Oh Oh!! No matter how light I try to get in my pack weight, there are two things that I always keep three of: water treatment and fire starting. Call me paranoid. Anyway, along with a mini-Bic in my pack hip belt and waterproof matches in my first aid kit, I keep this little nifty tool from Exotac. It's called the fireRod — a ferrocerium fire starter (which is similar to flint/steel, but a bit easier to use and is the "flint" found in butane lighters). Full review
UDAP No-Fed-Bear Canister
Kept bears and critters out. Intermediate size fit my pack and my needs better than other brands. Hard to decide how many stars to give this, but it is an average bear canister, great size, and has excellent customer service. This is an approved and certified bear canister that meets the requirements along the John Muir Trail. I chose this particular canister because the intermediate size fit my backpack and my needs better than the other brands. Unfortunately the locks on the lid seized up during… Full review
Tick Key The Tick Key
This product is great way to remove ticks if prevention falls. It is painless and helps reduce disease transmission by reducing the chance a tick will regurgitate. You can even use it on your pets. Gear Review: Liberty Mountain Tick Key For today's post, I will do our first gear review. The piece of equipment under review is the Tick Key by Liberty Mountain, which has become an important tool for both BeeGee and me. This tool is one our essential pieces and always goes with us in our first aid… Full review
Podsacs Waste Management System L
A dry bag with little features that make it ideal for carrying out both synthetic and human waste from the wilderness. Perfect organizational tool for managing waste and practicing the Leave No Trace philosophy. The product is well put together and more than adequate for the task. So what are these? Well basically they are a dry bag that has two enclosures to prevent leaking, and a bright red colour and warning sign not to be mistaken for anything else! They are intended for storing and carrying… Full review
U-Dig-It Folding Hand Shovel and Trowel
A sturdy folding trowel for doing trowel-related business. Not exactly UL, but it won't break or bend even when prying rocks or chipping at compacted soil. Needless to say, this was a very popular item on our 8-person, 24-day hike on the JMT. The U-Dig-It Pro handled all that traffic with aplomb, allowing for safe and adequately deep deposits of bodily fruits in the Sierra's tough, rocky soils. My daughter kept it on one of the compression straps on the outside of her pack so it was always available… Full review
SOLKOA Fastfire Fire Starting Kit
A good fire kit for anyone who may need to light a fire—camper, backpacker, hunter, or stranded traveler—especially under adverse conditions. Just familiarize yourself with the limits of the hacksaw striker, which gouges the ferro rod badly and struggles to cast sparks in the rain. SOLKOA Fastfire Fire Starting Kit Note: The following review is a bit involved; please use the following outline to expedite locating information of interest to you. I. Product Specifications II. Testing III. Faststrike… Full review
BearVault BV450 Solo
The Bear Vault Solo is a quality product that satisfies its functional requirements well. The BV450 serves its purpose well. I have heard of only one sow in the Adirondaks that has figured out to open it. I have been using this product for the past 5 years when I am in bear country. Although untested by bears it has kept my food supply safe and dry. The convenience of not hanging a bear bag and having a good camp stool compensates for the 2 # added to my pack. Full review
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By Tim SkubickFox 2 NewsLANSING, Mich. (WJBK) -- The lame duck session is winding down, but lawmakers have a long agenda of unfinished business. That includes a business tax cut, a new home for the Detroit Red Wings and guns in schools and churches.A relaxed Governor Rick Snyder ate a hot dog from the vendor who got clobbered in the melee on the Capitol lawn earlier this week.Meanwhile in the legislature, his top priority was a business tax cut for Detroit automakers and other major manufacturers. Local governments will lose revenue if the tax is repealed a lobbyist wants a guarantee they'll get the money back, but the plan on the table doesn't get there."That's not a guarantee," said Samantha Harkins from the Michigan Municipal League. "We've said all along that we need full and guaranteed replacement, and that's what we're looking for." Republican Sen. Mike Green wants to legalize concealed weapons in churches, schools, sports arenas and daycare centers over the objections of all those groups."There are illegal guns everywhere and people like to use them and no one has the ability to defend themselves," he said."So this will deter crime?" I asked him."I think it will," he answered.Urban lawmakers are rejecting the governor's call for a new emergency manager law. What they want instead is more money, but the Senate Republican leader argues even if he had the money he would not send it."Not until we fix the structure first. You can't just bail people out and say we're going to continue to make bad promises," said Senator Randy Richardville.The Mike Ilitch family wants legislation to build a new home for the Red Wings, but because Democrats are angry with the Republicans on the way they jammed through right-to-work legislation, they are threatening to withhold any yes votes. The governor is not impressed with that."That's one the issues I think is really unfortunate. That's one of the reflections about a broken political culture because shouldn't we focus on the customer?" he said.
vote was taken in the Michigan House and the Ilitch proposal did pass with two
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Question and AnswerHUEL PERKINS: Some people are still amazed at Governor Rick Snyder, who ran as a moderate but is now apparently something else. Is he going to sign all these bills tonight?SKUBICK: He's on board with most of them. He got what he wanted on Tuesday on right-to-work. He's on board with the abortion issue, which is still pending in the House. They have not voted on that yet. He obviously wants the EM. He obviously wants the Ilitch family to get that money from the state, and so he's getting his Christmas early this year.
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Who's Spying on (and Profiting from) Your Browsing Habits?
Published on - August 9th, 2010 (Modified on - August 12th, 2010) (by April Dykman)
This post is from GRS staff writer April Dykman.
One of the fastest-growing businesses on the Web is tracking data about your Internet use — everything from comments you leave on websites to health information and financial status — and selling it to companies that want to target ads to specific customer profiles. Algorithms are even used to make predictions about you based on your profile, from how likely is it that you'll repay a loan to where you'll probably spend your summer vacation.
According to an investigation by The Wall Street Journal (WSJ), your browsing information, minus your name, can be sold wholesale ("a batch of movie lovers is $1 per thousand") or customized ("26-year-old Southern fans of [the movie] '50 First Dates'"). There can be as many as 100 middlemen between your mouse click and an advertiser.
Tracking Tactics
Most people don't realize how detailed the information is that's being tracked, or that sensitive information about health conditions and financial status are no longer off-limits. WSJ's study analyzed surveillance technology that companies are using to track consumers and found the following:
- On average, the 50 top websites in the U.S. installed 64 pieces of tracking technology onto the computers of site users, typically without notification. Some installed more than a hundred, while others, like Wikipedia, installed none.
- Technology is becoming more obtrusive. New tools can see what you're doing on a site and track your location, interests, medical conditions, and more. Some tracking tools "re-spawn" after you delete them.
- In the past year-and-a-half, markets have started up where profiles of individuals are bought and sold, similar to stock market exchanges.
- Advertisers once bought ads on websites with specific content, such as a laptop ad on a tech website. Now they pay to follow consumers as they browse from site to site with targeted ads.
Important Information or Intrusive?
WSJ contacted some of the tracking companies, which pointed out that the information collected is both anonymous and harmless. Useful, even. From the first article in the series:
Lotame [a tracking company in New York]…says it doesn't know the name of users…—only their behavior and attributes, identified by code number. People who don't want to be tracked can remove themselves from Lotame's system. And the industry says the data are used harmlessly. David Moore, chairman of 24/7 RealMedia Inc., an ad network owned by WPP PLC, says tracking gives Internet users better advertising. 'When an ad is targeted properly, it ceases to be an ad, it becomes important information,' he says.
But the article also points to people who are unnerved by ads that target them based on sensitive information, like heath and finances. Take for example, someone recovering from an embarrassing health condition, who still sees ads related to the illness based on his or her previous browsing activity.
What You Can Do About It
If you want to hide information about yourself from tracking tools, WSJ provides simple and advanced tips to conceal your browsing habits from prying eyes. The following are the basic things you can do:
- View and delete cookies. Note that you'll have to retype usernames and passwords that were stored by any deleted cookies.
- Set your browser to accept cookies you want, such as login information for sites you frequent, and block all others, especially third-party cookies.
- If you're going to browse websites you don't want tracked (such as sites about a medical condition), turn on private browsing, which will delete all cookies until you close the browser or turn off the private browsing option.
- Monitor, delete, and set preferences for Flash cookies on your computer, which also can contain information used by marketers. You can do this on the Adobe website.
To block beacons, which are tools that track what you type, you'll need to take some more advanced steps.
The tracking tools are probably only going to get more advanced, but is it something that concerns you? Would you rather see ads for products in which you're likely interested, or do you find it intrusive to have your profile bought and sold by Internet marketers?
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I think the biggest challenge I face as a parent is explaining all of this information to my kids. Letting them know what companies would want this info.
An ad is an ad is an ad. And I hate them. I don't care if the ad is "targeted to my interests," I don't like how they stretch the screen, float around so I can't close them, talk to me, and install junk on my computer. That's why I use Firefox with their marvelous Ad Blocker Plus. Ever since I installed that and switched browsers, I NEVER see an ad.
As long as my personal info (name and phone #'s) are not shared I do not really care. I don't mind advertisement sometimes it helps me find what I am looking for. But I can understand the concern when their are kids at home who maybe exposed to things they should not be exposed to.
Though I'm sure my browsing is still tracked, at least I don't see ads anymore. We use Mozilla Firefox browser at our house, and the app Adblocker Plus. Thanks for the info! Please excuse me while I check on my cookie settings…
This is why I love my AdBlock Plus. They can try and target ads to me. Ha.
"There can be as many as 100 middlemen between your mouse click and an advertiser" is scary.
Aren't there any federal laws or regulations to notify the users that their info is being passively tracked?
The sad thing is that behavioral targeting alone is actually pretty innocuous compared to some of the advertising that's done with regard to toolbars etc. Even the ones that seem benign often end up hijacking your browser and start popping up windows, etc. It's THOSE ads that are the worst, in most people's eyes.
What about sites that pay you to search (like Swagbucks)? Anyone have info on what they do with your information?
I'd just like to offer a counter viewpoint.
Cookies (a fancy name for a text file with a preference setting, or an anonymous id, and an expiration date) aren't bad things. Beacons (a fancy name for an image request) aren't bad things. I constantly try to educate my mother NOT to delete her cookies because it skews data that web analysts use to make the website better. If you want a better internet with more user friendly sites, less annoying clutter or ambiguous buttons or directions, than please, allow cookies to do their job. Much of this data is used by the webmaster of that website to improve his or her site.
Anonymous ad retargeting, "behavioral" targeting does exist, but it's anonymous. They don't know or care who you are. They just care that you did A, A is predictive that you're more likely than the internet average to do B, so they'll serve you an ad to do B. It's not rocket science and it's not an invasion of your privacy if they don't know who you are.
The kind of scary big data that this article suggests is happening online is actually happening offline. Your credit report showing your major financed items, your registered vehicles and driving history, and a whole host of other interesting collected bits of information stitched together with your name, address, and social security number are put together by data miners who need to market to you through direct mail, phone calls, or simply to make decisions about what town to buy a billboard.
The internet is ripe with lots of data that little good for anything else except harmless anonymous ad targeting(just remember to remind yourself that they still don't know who you are) and site improvement. If you want to protect yourself, don't download sketchy toolbars or plugins (especially the kind where you register your name and address) as these aren't tracking on the sites but rather they are on your browser so they "connect-the-dots". Stay away from viruses. And don't register your name and address on those sites that you shouldn't be on.
Online or offline, when you fill in forms and surveys you're going into a database. Read the privacy notices from the site, contest, etc… If your registering for a contest, you're essentially selling the rights to market to you. Many times just by the company on the contest, sometimes by other companies but these days, you'll usually see an "opt-in" check box.
I hope this helps clear some things up. I do web analytics for a living and like the majority of my industry, we would raise flags if this actually started getting into serious big-brother land.
The ads keep trying to sell me doughnuts. What does that say about my browsing history?
I have spyware installed on my computer, but I am sure I am still tracked.
I don't ever buy anything from ads, so having ads that are specific to my habits matters nothing to me. Actually, it kind of creeps me out…
Disabling cookies is a good idea, and you can also access the Internet through a proxy service which will help conceal your identity. You can also get rid of Windows and move to Linux which will make you less vulnerable to spyware.
Anyone tracking my browsing habits would be pretty boarded.
As a scientist, I have to research all sorts of crazy things at work, but on my lunch time, I do personal browsing (such as GRS), so I'm sure whomever is tracking me thinks I am nuts!
I'm not concerned about tracking by itself because everything you do anywhere can be tracked these days. I am much more concerned that even though your name is not supposed to be attached to the info, it is and it is being used by the government to track everything you do. It's called the Patriot Act. Seemingly innocent searches can land you on the FBI's terrorist watch list and you'd never even know it. There's nothing you can do about it though, so I guess don't worry too much.
It is annoying to know how many people are profiting off you without having to actually do anything for you.
Cassy asked if there are any federal or other regulations that require companies to notify you if you're being tracked. No, there aren't in the U.S. There are few protections for consumer data/information, and as someone pointed out, the federal government can do it under the USA PATRIOT Act.
I really dislike targeted ads, Facebook is horrible for them and there is no way to block them. Adblocker plus works great for a lot of other unwanted ads though. To answer your question, I find it very intrusive to have my profile bought and sold.
I always laugh because I have no consumer debt and never have had other than car and house, paid on time. and yet I regularly get stuff to improve my credit score, fight uncle sam and so on and so forth. I can only assume that whoevers tracking me assumes that I visit frugal and finance sites becuase I'm in trouble, LOl/
I'm not actually an advertiser, rather, an Analyst of the data that is collected. But I thought I might be able to help put things in perspective from the other side. It seems from the tone of your comments, that most of you seem to lean towards the idea that companies are tracking you personally. In most scenarios, this is not the case. In fact, I've never looked at the history of an individual user for my work on our site. When you see ads that are targeted towards you, these are normally part of a type of marketing called Retargeting.
Retargeting takes place when you take some action on a site, such as adding a product to your cart, or viewing an informative video, but you leave without purchasing or signing up to learn more. Your information (IP address and the type of ad to be served to you) is sent to an ad network and whenever you view one of their ads on another site, you are served the ad based on your previous actions. If you then click the ad and make a purchase, the ad network is paid a commission.
So rest assured that in these scenarios, nobody looks at what you were doing, or what your personal information is, it's a completely automated system that is used to only show you advertising that will hopefully be relevant to your interests.
Of course, that may not be the case in ALL scenarios, but I can't speak for those that make the rest of us look bad and make our jobs more difficult.
I do marketing for a company that uses these types of ads, and we buy these ads for the simple reason that they are effective.
Consider this from the business owner's perspective. If you're paying for advertising, you want it to reach people who are most open to your message/service.
I don't get any personally identifiable information about you. Specifically, we buy banners that appear for people who have visited our website, and we buy banners that appear for people who have been to similar types of websites as our's.
For consumers, they get more relevant ads, rather than random pitches for "Obama Asks Moms to Return to School" or weight loss fads. And consumers are still free to ignore the ads. Based on our clickthrough results, most still do, but a higher percentage click than normal.
I understand that the headlines on articles like this are scary. But these ads help businesses both big and small grow and find consumers who might be interested to see their ads.
I agree with AdMan John. I believe these companies are just using the law of average. They pretend they know but they really dont know all about us. It's one of those, If I send to 100 and only 1 respond then I need to send to 1000 so I can get 10 to respond and so on… Yes it is annoying getting these adds, but I know how my credit is and so I dont let it bother me one bit
One thing that bugs me about this is when online shopping.
Sometimes when you go shopping for an item, but don't buy right away, the next time you go to buy it, the price has changed. Is that because of inflation or a sale? no, it has to do with your history and what you went to look for after. Occasionally I'll get an offer to get it for less, but more often then not the price has gone up slightly. It makes finding deals online just that much more annoying.
I don't feel a lot of personal angst about ads online, nor do I care very much if they've been targeted to me (assuming I even notice). Just about the only ads I consciously notice anymore are the ones that move across your screen (annoying and won't buy that product just on that principle) or when I'm actively shopping.
However, it does bug me to constantly have to fend off people trying to track what I do online – especially when it's passive stuff I'm doing, like browsing. The advertisers who buy this information may not have my name and address (though I'm sure they have a pretty fair geographical location, like my city/region), but someone does or can. Someone can track my isp back to my real location, lots of someones. And lots of someones ARE doing this because they HIDE or REMOVE that information prior to selling it. Not all data tracking will do that, but enough do that I don't like it. I don't care if I'm browsing something as innocuous as my public library's site or as shocking as hardcore porn. I haven't opted IN, the assumption should be that I am opted OUT.
In the real world, would you think it was so innocent if a van was following me around during my day to see where I go, how long I stay there, what products I pickup and put back, etc? Just for the sake of compiling this data and reselling to advertisers so I could have "targeted" ads sent to my house? NO. And following me around on the internet is the same thing – at least if I haven't signed up for something or asked you to do it.
We're on a personal finance site, so how much more targeting do you need? I think advertisers can guess what we're interested in without tracking us.
Thanks, April. Great post.
@ #10 – Nicole, that's even scarier – they even know you're hungry!
These are things I'd rather just remain ignorant to and enjoy my browsing experiences. So what if they're making a buck.
Kinda like how you really don't want to go back to the kitchen of your favorite restaurants because you'll never want to eat there again.
I'd rather enjoy my food and not see the chef preparing my dinner in a wife-beater!
I sold print advertising for a few years, and I feel like I'm pretty immune to it. Plus we practice conscious spending, and frugality.
The tracking just makes me feel like I'm putting one over on the advertisers – they're paying bloggers and other sites I like, and I don't ever buy any of their crap.
I don't mind. As others have pointed out, our personal habits and preferences can be pieced together using offline sources of info, too. If it can help cut down on the amount of paper junk mail I get then online tracking would be a welcome bonus, actually! Ads can pop up here and there and everywhere, but no one can force me to buy what is being advertised. That's still a personal decision I get to make on my own.
The keyword is anonymous. If its anonymous then really who cares? If the information is anonymous and all they're looking at is my browsing habits then I have ZERO problem with it. The advertising and marketing companies are not going to do anything evil or bad with the anonymous browsing habits. I really don't care what ads they put up on web pages, but if they're going to have ads then they may as well be about stuff I have some interest in as opposed to stuff I don't have any interest in.
AdBlock Plus with one of the automated updaters is awesome on Firefox. Browsing the web without it is a miserable experience. Drop the ads and pages load a lot more quickly, not to mention less tracking goes on.
Going to Linux (or Mac) also helps a lot with the spyware/malware. If you need to stick with Windows, get off XP and go to Windows 7. The security updates are well worth it, as opposed to XP, where the security holes are legion.
I wonder if it makes any difference using a Mac or PC when it comes to spyware being installed on your computer. I'm usually quite careful, but sometimes I still wonder…
Ken – it makes a difference. come on down to the land of Apples!
I say get these people out of our "business". I religiously delete cookies from my computer and anything else I can do to keep people from "tracking" me.
Its none of their business, whether used harmlessly or not.
Because at some point in time, sombody will figure out an unethical use for this information, and then where are we?
I rather see ads for stuff I may like since I can disregard ads pretty easily. I don't mind being tracked…I like shopping cards for this reason too. I get the best Kroger coupons simply since they know what I buy.
"You can do this on the Adobe website."
FYI, the link provided for Adobe is a mashup of your website address + Adobe's. It would help the readers if you fixed it.
Thanks for the info.
If you are really concerned, install TOR. Google "TOR" and you will learn all that's necessary to browse without surveillance.
The Firefox addon NoScript also helps a lot to remove advertising, and to block some of these trackers. It automatically blocks all Javascript, which most ads are dependent on, and you can then whitelist scripts from certain domains. Two of these usage analysis services you may see most frequently are googleanalytics.com and quantserve.com.


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Sunday, April 13, 2014Why I'll Never Use Dropbox
They appointed Condoleezza Rice to their board of directors.
Tuesday, April 01, 2014Yet Another Reason Why Obamacare Makes No Sense
Obama's signature law heralded as the mechanism to get uninsured Americans insurance has a deadline as to when you can get insurance? That is stupid beyond belief.
Wednesday, January 01, 2014Happy New Year - 2014 Edition
Today marks the one year anniversary of Democrats making the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy permanent in exchange for delaying the sequester which is apparently permanent now as well. Way to go! Give up everything in exchange for nothing when the Democrats didn't need a single Republican vote to let the Miserable Tax Cuts for the Wealthy expire.
Wednesday, December 25, 2013Congress: The New Scrooges
As the 535 Scrooges left D.C. to stuff themselves with Christmas dinner they are cutting off unemployment benefits to millions of Americans. How bad is unemployment? After all, the unemployment rate is down from 9% to 7%. Green shoots! Things are getting better. Tell that to the new six million unemployed since the rate went down by 2 points.
|The Orange Line is the Official Unemployment Rate
The Blue Line is the Number of Unemployed Americans
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Obama has nominated the Bush junta lawyer who reviewed and okayed the warrantless wiretapping program to be the head of the FBI. What could possibly go wrong?Why Tea Partiers Should Be Labeled Aztecans
They both demand human sacrifices.
Thursday, June 27, 2013Vote For Real Democrats For Real Change!
My preferred Presidential slate for 2016 is:
Elizabeth Warren / Wendy Davis
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Wednesday, May 15, 2013The TeaBagger Asshats Needed Closer Scrutiny
I am not outraged by the IRS actions. No one could have predicted that virulent anti-tax groups run by people who want to keep the federal government out of Medicare would illegally and/or unwittingly use tax deductible contributions for election campaigns.
Thursday, April 04, 2013Yes!
A sales tax for Wall Street. You pay a sales tax for necessities, why shouldn't the fuckers on Wall Street pay a sales tax for gambling with other people's money?Sad
What fucking shocks me is Obama could have been the most beloved President since FDR but the asshole went full Reagan on us.
Tuesday, April 02, 2013The Golden Fleece
Actually, rage is all the teabaggers and so called conservatives have so I am not sure why it is news whenever they get outraged.
Sunday, March 17, 2013A Modest Proposal
I propose a new law called the Put Your Money Where Your Mouth Is Law which will impose $100 million tax on any billionaire who publishes an op-ed or goes on a talk show and says we need cut Social Security to reduce the deficit. The law will tax millionaires at $100,000.
Saturday, March 16, 2013Urgent Request!
Please sign my petition : Kick Obama Out of the Democratic Party for continually offering to cut Social Security as part of a deficit deal even though it doesn't add one penny to the deficit.
Tuesday, March 05, 2013Ghost Writer Contest Announcement
I wish to write a history of the Miserable Failure google bomb. Alas, I have a full time job so I would like to hire a ghost writer to do the heavy lifting. This is a contest open to any Washington State resident or student. The entry requirement is a 200 word or more essay about the Miserable Failure google bomb. Ten winners will be given $100 and one hour to interview me to prepare a ten page treatment of the manuscript. The winner will receive a $2500 contract to write a 50,000 word nonfiction book about the google bomb and will receive 10% of the author royalties if it is published.


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Prettier Accessible Forms
by Nick Rigby
118 Reader CommentsBack to the Article
By the way…now that form behavior is being completely rewrittren by Ajax and other dynamic technologies, don't we need a new set of rules for styling them? For instance, we'll need the styles for error and confirm messages that appear within the form.
Here's an example Ajax powered newsletter signup form.
Hi Bernd,
I described a fix for Opera 9 earlier in the comments. Here's the link directly to it:
"Opera 9 Fix":http://www.alistapart.com/comments/prettyaccessibleforms?page=3#26
I normally leave my forms pretty plain – I'm hooked on pretty forms now! Thanks.
Never assume your audience has a white background on thier browser. I've got old-school grey, and it looks terrible!
As an aside, anyone else having trouble typing in this box, or is my keyboard suddenly broken?
Can someone explain how the stretched gradient is acheived please? I've tried copying the background: url(….) CSS but I just get the 1×2 pixel image repeated across the bottom of my fieldsets. I can't figure out how to stretch the image to 100% of the height of the fieldset.
Well, "David":http://www.alistapart.com/comments/prettyaccessibleforms?page=9#86, why don't you look at the CSS source, copy the image URL and view the image?
> !http://www.alistapart.com/d/prettyaccessibleforms/example_3/assets/images/cmxform-fieldset.gif!
It's a high gradient image. No CSS magic, just images.
Oops – my mistake. I missed the inclusion of the larger image completely.
Maybe this was not the point of the article, but if word "Accessible" is used in the title, I can't understand why clicking the labels of the radio buttons doesn't (isn't designed to) work!? For me, connecting labels with input fields using FOR and ID attributes is a must. Unfortunately not all the web designers use this rule – see checkbox under the "Search ALA" input ;) Laziness? Unawarness?
I really like the way it displays in Firefox but I have to say that using JavaScript for the form makes it not quite accessible in my books. I like the architecture of the form as far as the code but using JavaScript just made me go "ugh!"?. Why are tables so bad when using forms? I think forms is a good use to put a good old table"¦
I'm intrigued by the fuss Nick has caused by using an ordered list, because I've seen them being used to structure forms for years. Almost all the paper forms I need to fill in for my government, my university or my workplace—in fact, even surveys—have been represented as an ordered list of fields. This structure is especially useful because it is allows one to instruct the reader to "skip" a range of fields if they are not required.
Given that it is an established standard, how precisely is this not legitimate? The only convincing argument I can see for not using them is presented by Pid Ster, who explains that the form becomes less accessible for screen readers; and then, the impractical purist in me cries that this is surely a fault of the software, not the structure. (Incidentally, can any more experienced readers tell me if this is the case for all speech readers?)
Definition lists I find particularly challenging, mainly because I'm not totally sure about their semantic intent. What is a definition list meant to imply? Is it really legitimate to use them merely for association? Aren't labels and fieldsets sufficient—for forms, at least? In fact, isn't that their explicit purpose? Tables, in my opinion, are preferable for data presentation, not data entry. I know that they often mean less markup, less complex CSS and less cross-browser hassle, but (in my opinion) they are also less semantically appropriate.
Not that I consider definition lists or even tables to be a complete semantic faux pas, but they don't immediately strike me as the best structures.
As for using ECMAscript to amend browser CSS support: the form degrades gracefully and is reasonably attractive without the fix, which itself is relatively unobtrusive. Admittedly, a perfectly workable solution could be created using floats, but the author's stated aim was to develop a solution which could be "dropped" into place, and float-based layouts are often very brittle (an issue I've experienced first-hand).
I mainly use paragraphs to markup forms, and in future I may well use a few lists. Excellent work, Nick!
Thanks Nick, I appreciate there is no magic solution to this problem. Personally, using the javascript or ol element doesn't grieve me as much as others here, and I still think this is better than tables.
I'm only mentioning this because nobody else has brought it up – but using the external library is a bit of a worry – it's 10kb of extra data that needs to be downloaded. I'm sure the library does all kinds of good stuff, but only if you use it.
I'm struggling to keep my pages looking good, functional, and less than 100kb before compression, so an extra 10kb for the form is a bit expensive.
Is there a way you can extract what you need into a standalone piece of script? I''m sure you could achieve what you need with a page or so of script, rather than requiring the library with all it's other features.
How can anyone argue against that a form is a list of questions and answers? US residents: have you never filled out a tax form, or a DMV form, or any other kind of form? Even your W2's are numbered!
I number fields for everything. It makes support calls so much easier, too. "I don't understand question 6." I'm glad to see other developers starting to do the same. DL/DT/DD lists are good, too. As a website that supports a large number of impaired users, we get many compliments over our use of numbered lists.
The earlier solution linked ( "Paul Armstrong":http://paularmstrongdesigns.com/examples/css/awesome-form.html ) is far worse IMO than this form setup. You think using a list is bad form? What about changing the logical order of elements so they float correctly? Paul makes it so you have to list the checkbox first and then the label. Blind users will really enjoy that.
I have a feeling most people that are against the JS didn't even look at the example with JS disabled in Mozilla—it may look a little "off" but it is still usable.
I am excited to see your use of ol to mark up form items. I think this markup is just right. I actually disagree strongly with the use of tables and definition lists to mark up form controls.
The semantic realationship between the text and its input exists already, it is created by the label tag and the input tag (with appropriate attributes, of course). I think your use of OL is perfect for establishing the semantic relationship between the different input/label couples which compose the form.
I had previously used a more minimal markup :
<input>text text text
The problems with my method were : 1. inverted order of text and input, and 2. with CSS turned off the form was still technically useable but turned into a soup of form controls and text.
Javascript for layout makes me very hesitant… I don't like the idea that it might be used to shortcut actual thoughtful CSS development. On the other hand I've inherited divML projects, where more than 40 divs were used to create three boxes of equal height in a row.
When one has tried to do CMS development on a bloated project like that it starts to be easier to see the value of using Javascript to add extras that aren't necessary for the page to function especially when it means we can keep the markup clean.
Excellent article Nick, thanks for taking the time to write up your method.
My only concern about relying on JS workarounds for style is unforeseen collisions with Prototype or Script.aculo.us (or any other Ajax library). Have you tested this method with Rails form helpers, or other server-side solutions that dynamically generate forms and form interactions?
Not busting your chops, just asking. This article helped me see forms in a new light.
I'm having a different problem using this on my own page with firefox, but it doesn't affect the examples. I did try not including any of my normal styles (using just the example instead). Basically firefox ignores the width's for the labels and the form itself. Anyone know why?
Hi all,
I'm trying to apply Nick's great example into a current website … and got a really good looking/working EDITABLE form cross-browser …
What happens when you're not editing and want to VIEW THE FORM later?
Currently using label and input css markup is cool … but nothing's available for the text later when viewing only.
What do people propose to that? The DL/DT solution would solve that … but I wouldn't mind getting Nick's solution working!
the snag is … you can't do them with the current css :-(
I realise now why Nick's demo shows all radio and checkboxes on single lines in their own fieldsets – I've just tried doing multi-column radio/checkboxes and sure enough, the
breaks the line and wraps to the start of the next line, under the label left-aligned :-(
Any ideas anyone?
I am very much anti-JavaScript, but face it, it's use here is unimportant towards accessibility, nohng breaks if it is turned off.
I did live in Germany till recently, my wife is German and all my three girls are Half German. I do not appreciate Ross Clutterbuck's comment (78) about "Standards-Nazis". It is very inapropriate when "Zealots" or "Crusaders" would have worked nicely. It is time to get over yourself, the war ended 50 years ago and not even my wifes parents and kids grandparents were involved in it.
My one important input here is less JavaScript as the use of innerHTML as mentioned in comment 26. Best of my knowledge innerHTML is not supported by XHTML when correctly served as XML, only if served as Tag Soup. Hence this would not work in my personal sites. So any XHTML conscious designers should keep that in mind when using application/Xhtml+xml MimeType.
@ Eric Brown and further readers:
"The earlier solution linked ( Paul Armstrong ) is far worse IMO than this form setup. You think using a list is bad form? What about changing the logical order of elements so they float correctly? Paul makes it so you have to list the checkbox first and then the label. Blind users will really enjoy that."
Yes they will! Checkboxes and Radio bottons are supposed to have the label after them. Anything else will confuse the issue. "Better Accessible Forms":http://accessify.com/features/tutorials/accessible-forms/ at Accessify.com
@ Eric Brown and further readers:
"The earlier solution linked ( Paul Armstrong ) is far worse IMO than this form setup. You think using a list is bad form? What about changing the logical order of elements so they float correctly? Paul makes it so you have to list the checkbox first and then the label. Blind users will really enjoy that."
Yes they will! Checkboxes and Radio bottons are supposed to have the label after them. Anything else will confuse the issue. "Better Accessible Forms":http://accessify.com/features/tutorials/accessible-forms/ at Accessify.com
Hello. Opera 9.01 is inserting 'Null' in front of the label values for me, with the intended label then dropping down a line. Anyone got a fix for that?
I was sure I didn't already read an answer to my question on Opera 9.01 and Null, but it's there on page 3.
I know I'm awfully late to the party, but I was wondering about the statement in the article that, "forms don't constitute tabular data."
I've heard other people say this, and I really don't get why. Especially given the concept of label/data pairs. In fact, I would suspect that when most forms are submitted to a database the data is submitted in a near identical format (e.g. The first column being an identifying label, and the next column being the data (although, I still think it would be semantic, even if the order was reversed… just kind of whacky in L to R reading languages)).
I'm wondering if I'm missing something.
I dont have anything to add to the discussion. I just wanna say that the idea of using lists for structuring is very…ummm…unique.
I won't argue about semantics or anything. coz as long as it works, it's totally fine by me :D
Here is a poor attempt at re-implementing this using Prototype.js since JQuery clashes. This requires that the form has an id="cmxform", I'm sure people out there that actually know what they're doing could improve upon this.
if( document.addEventListener ) document.addEventListener( 'DOMContentLoaded', cmxform, false );
function cmxform(){ // Hide forms $( 'cmxform' ).hide();// Processing var someNodeList = $('cmxform').getElementsByTagName('label'); var nodes = $A(someNodeList); nodes.each( function( i ){ var labelContent = i[removed]; var labelWidth = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle( i, '' ).getPropertyValue( 'width' ); var labelSpan = document.createElement( 'span' ); labelSpan.style.display = 'block'; labelSpan.style.width = labelWidth; labelSpan[removed] = labelContent; i.style.display = '-moz-inline-box'; i[removed] = null; i.appendChild( labelSpan ); } ); //.end(); // Show forms $( 'cmxform' ).show(); }
Someone above was asking about a tableless two column css layout.
Working for a non-profit which serves the disabled, this article was my original inspiration for developing the above.
I eventually found the use of fieldsets preferrable to unordered lists because of the extra junk that comes with them in screen-readers. Besides, they make natural large containers, I wish I had discovered them years ago.
This article is right-on in promoting the use of labels, which I now use religiously. I simply happen to like the div/span approach.
Someone above was asking about a
"tableless two column css layout":http://www.yeago.net/work/2006/09/two-column-css-layout.html
Working for a non-profit which serves the disabled, this article was my original inspiration for developing the above.
I eventually found the use of fieldsets preferrable to unordered lists because of the extra junk that comes with them in screen-readers. Besides, they make natural large containers, I wish I had discovered them years ago.
This article is right-on in promoting the use of labels, which I now use religiously. I simply happen to like the div/span approach.
ps: severe apologies for the double-post. forgot to Textile.
Let me first say that this article has become a great resource for me and has changed the way I think about and create forms. But I've found a problem that I'm surprised that no one has mentioned here. I'm developing on a Mac, and everything looks perfect on Safari! But in the rest of the browsers I've seen, there are inconsitencies. I've done a little modification to the CSS for my own purposes, naturally, and set the label width to 33%, as I'm using them in some varying CSS column layouts and this causes the labels to collapse so that the inputs are right along the right side of them. This happens everywhere bu Mac Safari and MSIE. The only other inconsistency is that MSIE seems to give a left margin to fieldsets. I set up my Submit button like so:
<input type='submit' value='Submit' />
So that it would line up with my checkboxes and other inputs, but it shift a good inch to the right. Any ideas on how to fix this situation?
As a comment to the 2 column tableless design remark;
you can now validate your tableless design at: http://w3tableless.com
check if you've done it the right way.
Both on IE 6 and Firefox on Win2k, when a legend has more than 1 line, it's not broke but continues on a single line.
It's at the exact position of "Is this address also your invoice address ?" but longer.
Even if I force the width property of the legend, it's not working, evenwith " !important".
If you have any idea "¦
Firstly, I think this article does provide a nice insight and a perfectly valid method for form layouts. I think whilst the use of Javascript to fix style hacks is far from ideal, it is a solution which should work for the vast majority of people and thus is not a big usability issue. The downside is simply the untidiness of having extra "˜hack fix' code.
I would, personally, disagree with your assertion that it is wrong to represent form data in a tabular form. I believe that it is perfectly acceptable to represent any data however you like providing the semantics are easy to understand, mathematically solid, and do not contravene existing standards unless there is a specific reason for doing so. In the case of forms, I would say that it's as easy to understand the semantics of a table form layout vs. a list based layout. Because there aren't any fixed standards in place for form semantics I can't see why using tables can be considered a poorer solution to using lists.
For most situations you can classify a form as a set of related fields with undefined size, and classify a field as a typical (key, value) pair. To give an example, taking the first three, fields of your form (Name, Address, City) using set notation you could mathematically represent a typical record of data as ((Name, "˜Homer Simpson'), (Address, "˜742 Evergreen Terrace'), (City, "˜Springfield')). As the set contains pair based items only, you can consider a 2-column table where the first column represents the head of the pairs and the second represents the tail of the pairs. Clearly, it is a direct mapping between two representations and the related XHTML code would be pretty self explanatory.
I think there is a certain hesitation to use tables in the designer world for fear of being ridiculed for being out-of-touch. I think in this case a table solution would be perfectly understandable and increase the clarity of the page's stylesheet.
The alternative javascript (in comment #106) for use with Prototype.js only works with one form on the page and with it's ID being 'cmxform', not the class. This alternative works pretty much the same as the original script, only using prototype.js instead of jquery.
function cmxform(){// Hide forms
// Processing
$$('form.cmxform li label').each( function( label ){
if (label.classNames() != 'nocmx') {
var labelContent = label[removed];
var labelWidth = document.defaultView.getComputedStyle( label, '' ).getPropertyValue( 'width' );
var labelSpan = document.createElement( 'span' );
labelSpan.style.display = 'block';
labelSpan.style.width = labelWidth;
labelSpan[removed] = labelContent;
label.style.display = '-moz-inline-box';
label[removed] = '' ;
label.appendChild( labelSpan );
} ) ;
// Show forms
if( document.addEventListener ) document.addEventListener( 'DOMContentLoaded', cmxform, false );
Why are submit buttons never included in fieldsets?
Since submit buttons can have meaning themselves, it would seem appropriate to me. I've never understood this.
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I checked the CSS and it doesnt validate.
"See for yourself":http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator?uri=http://www.alistapart.com/d/prettyaccessibleforms/example_3/assets/css/_library/cmxform.css&usermedium=all
Just something to keep in mind if you plan to do this.
I think overall it has a nice end result without using floats, but it's sort of a toss up between floats and javascript.
i like the approach and want to try it in my next applications. especially the way that you use a list to define the form rows. interesting. need to check how you managed the gradient.. looks nice ;)
you can pass by my blog http://webdevbros.grafix.at i am sure its interesting for you.
I used your above tutorial, but my the list is messing with my page background (only on PCs though). Here's the link:
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Let's get right to some of this week's Junkyard Mail …
Clint Harrison writes: Bill, I enjoy your stuff. Georgia-Florida week, the theme should be: "We have an opportunity … What are you/we going to do with it?" We have what we were hoping for. Did the Gamecocks peak too early? I know [Steve] Spurrier had those guys' intensity levels up for Georgia. Then their confidence kicked in. The crowd was already kicked in. And they were in our heads (or we were in our own heads) the rest of the way. But all that is behind us. It's a new day. (What are we going to do with it?). So my question to Coach Bobo is, Do you think [Will] Muschamp is going to send a blitz right up the middle at Murray on the first series (to send him/us a message) like he did to Connor Shaw and the Gamecocks in their game? You know it's coming; what are we going to do? A screen, quick slant, quick toss to the outside? Coach Grantham: Which linebacker is going to be the spy on [Jeff] Driskel or [Trey] Burton or whoever comes out of the backfield with the ball? You know Driskel is going to run and yes we will give up some yards this way but at least we won't let them gash us like Shaw did. Coach Richt: What are YOU going to do to ADD to this game. … We need INTENSITY, CONFIDENCE … SOMETHING from you that shows that this means something PERSONAL. I KNOW you love this team and you love those guys and where you are in your life (just like we do). But this is a great opportunity that we don't get in our "business as usual" lives. We have an opportunity to do something special. As always on Monday (win or lose) I WILL be wearing my GA shirt to work because they will ALWAYS be my team. GO DAWGS!
You're on the mark with some of the challenges facing the Georgia team in this game, Clint. When Mike Bobo had to stare down South Carolina's awesome pass rush, he frankly blinked and came up with an awful game plan, as he later admitted. Todd Grantham did likewise when it came to planning for Connor Shaw early in the game against the Gamecocks. It will be interesting to see if they rise to the occasion against the Gators. And while Mark Richt indicated early this week that he didn't think the team needed pumping up for Florida, I get the impression that the Georgia coaching staff deliberately allowed the whole Shawn Williams "too soft" thing to play out in the media as a way of publicly challenging the defense (and the team at large) to rise up, as the Falcons ads say. We'll find out soon whether that was enough.
Lamar Westbrook writes: Bill, this is hard to believe. Richt said after the [Kentucky] game "You know what? I am happy with the victory." Correct me if I am wrong, but how can he be happy when his team is giving it about 60%? When the guys play down to the competition and then the coach himself thinks it alright, then why should the guys change the way they play? If [Nick] Saban's team played like Richt's [against the Wildcats], do you think Saban's answer would be that he is happy? He would be so deep down their throat that they would choke! The team is not giving it their all, yet their coach says it's alright. This is a alarming thing!
And Ben writes: Do you find it disturbing that Mark Richt actually said he was happy with the win over Kentucky? I know he doesn't wish to be an "energy vampire," but he seems like he's in denial. By continuing to praise such lackluster efforts, he sends the message to his players that just getting by is good enough.
The Richt quote that's gotten some Bulldogs fans stirred up was this: "Know what? I'm happy with the victory. We're 6-1. That's not bad." I think that probably wasn't the wisest choice of words, but I understand what Richt was trying to do there. He wasn't pleased with the overall play of the team and he made that clear, but his point was that it was an SEC East victory and his team only has one loss, so he's not going to jump off the bus like some folks and declare the season a failure. Still, I don't think anyone in the Georgia locker room after the Kentucky game was happy about the way the game went, despite the head coach's positive spin. As Malcolm Mitchell said, "You don't wanna look at any game like 'We're just happy to win,' because you gotta play another team next. So we just need to focus and get ready for the next game." And then there's the challenge Richt issued to his team leaders, mentioned in the next letter …
Cleveland Williams III writes: Bill, Just read your column on Shawn Williams and the thing that stuck out to me the most was the statement made by Mark Richt about leaders stepping up. Seems like he has the pulse of the team to me. I understand his calm demeanor on the sideline and some view that as a lack of fire. So why don't we hear more of the statements he makes like that one being published?
The quote in question here came when Richt addressed the team after the Kentucky game and, with the cameras rolling, said: "It's going to be a war in Jacksonville. … You leaders, I want you to think about what this game means. You've been talking about it all offseason since January. 'Our team, our time, no regrets.' Well, here we are. We're at the moment of truth." And I translated that somewhat more bluntly as: Put up or shut up. Richt is a competitive guy and I think he probably addresses the team like that a lot more than we know; he just doesn't let us hear it. Perhaps he should.
Joe writes: Hey Bill, Just wanted to get your thoughts on the game this coming weekend … is this a must win for Coach Richt? Not literally, but in the figurative sense. Does UGA need to at least show up, if not win, for coach to 'win back' the belief, love and support of Bulldog Nation?
And Morris Rich writes: Bill, let me just say I love Mark Richt and if I had to choose a someone to coach my son, it would be Mark Richt hands down because of his character. But having said that, I am really concerned that maybe it is time for Coach Richt to retire. There is no doubt that we get some of the best talent in the country. But for some reason, they just don't perform up to their talent. As much as I don't like to even say it, it has to come down to the coaching. I would love nothing more that for Coach Richt to get that NC, but I just don' t see it happening. What are your thoughts on this.
Is this a "must" win? No. Georgia can still have a 10-win regular season and go to a New Year's Day bowl without beating Florida. And that's a heck of a lot better than many programs will experience this season. Would this win be a major step forward for Richt's program? Yes, of course. As for those who think UGA ought to be thinking about another coach, I'd just like to remind them of what has happened to the Tennessee program since they dumped Phil Fulmer. Do you really want to go down that road?
Bubba King writes: Malcolm Mitchell could have got 5-20 more yards on kickoffs if we didn't have 2 would-be blockers running with the defense with their hands up waving him to stop or physically keeping him from returning the ball out of the endzone. Now, I don't think he should necessarily return the ball that's kicked 8 yards deep, but he can't make it to the 10 yard line if he is outrunning 2 of his blockers to the point of attack. He is the return man, and we will never get a return if the blockers are more concerned with him downing the ball than making a key block to spring him. If he is not equipped to make the decision on his own, he shouldn't be back there. If he is back there, he has a better view of a possible crease than someone running with his back to the defenders. Just do your job, and maybe our special teams would not be so pathetic!
Actually, that is part of their job. You're referring to the Kentucky game when Mitchell fielded a kickoff eight yards deep in his end zone and started to bring it out before Kyle Karempelis stopped him. Mitchell wasn't happy at the time, but he said this week that he later apologized to Karempelis. With the new touchback rule, it doesn't make sense to try and return a kick that goes more than a yard or two deep into the end zone, as the odds of getting it out further than the 25 yard line are slim. Now, if it's not a high kick and the coverage hasn't had time to make it downfield, that's a different matter and it's probably worth trying a return. But that wasn't the case in this instance.
Jeremy Floyd writes: Here's what I fear about Saturday, and I think it has been a problem for UGA over the last few years. I fear that UGA players will not be able to regulate their emotions. I fear they come out way too high and fired up, eager to prove they are not 'soft.' I fear this will lead to early mistakes and we'll see the pendulum of team emotions swing the other extreme. I think this happens a way too often with the team. What do you think?
I'd much rather have Georgia's players come out fired up than flat. Yeah, they might make a few mistakes if they're amped up, but we saw in the South Carolina game what can result when one team comes out more pumped up than the other one.
Michael Scharff writes: I haven't seen any mention of a connection between the loss of Michael Bennett and the deterioration of the Dawgs' ability to open holes for our running backs. I don't think it's a coincidence that the loss of a large and powerful offensive force came at the same time our offense first began their current downhill slide. What say you?
Georgia still has plenty of talented receivers, and while Bennett is a great one, I don't think his absence is responsible for the lack of an effective rushing attack the past two games. Against a terrific South Carolina defense, the flaws of Georgia's offensive line were put in the spotlight. They simply were overwhelmed and couldn't open holes for the running backs or protect Aaron Murray. In the Kentucky game, the Wildcats sold out against the run, leaving themselves vulnerable to Georgia's passing game, and Murray made them pay for that.
Ryan B. writes: Why is no one even mentioning Damian Swann as an option for punt returner? He had a few nice returns early in the season and at least gives us a chance at a return. Let's be honest, [Rhett] McGowan isn't scaring anyone by being back there. At this point we should rush all 11 and let the ball be downed wherever (that's what is happening any way). And while I am on the subject of special teams, let's talk about extra points. What would it hurt for our coaching staff to actually hold someone accountable for bad play? If for no other reason than to incentivize Morgan to improve, why not let the walk on attempt a PAT. That's probably the number one issue with this coaching staff and therefore the team, not holding people accountable. The players at least subconsciously know that their spot is safe, so what incentive is there to be perfect or at least always get better?
I'm not sure why the Georgia coaches soured on Swann as punt returner, but that's certainly one of the special teams problems that need addressing. As I wrote earlier this week, I'm partial to Kevin Butler's suggestion that the Dogs start putting two deep men back on punts to assure that the ball is caught. This business of letting it hit the ground has got to stop. As for Marshall Morgan and PATs, I have a feeling if they thought the backup was going to be any more consistent than Morgan they'd give him a try. That's another case where Georgia's lack of attention to special teams play is hurting. It was interesting to see Richt say this week that he might study up on kicking and take on coaching the kickers himself next season, like some other head coaches do. What's frustrating is that it took him this long to come to that conclusion.
Bad Brad writes: Bill, When Richt first came to UGA we beat top teams at home and particularly on the road. In the past few years we have been unable to win big games. I don't know exactly when the downward trend started but I think it started with coordinator changes. When Richt turned play calling over to Bobo and [Brian] VanGorder left for the Falcons, I think that is the point where we started sliding. Don't you think it's time to fire Bobo? Took too long to fire [Willie] Martinez and get Grantham. I understand loyalty to your friends/staff but don't you agree sticking with Bobo is insane. Same could be said for Rodney Garner.
Bobo generally hasn't been the problem this season. If there's a negative trend through the recent seasons that you can point to on the offense, it's been the continuing problems Georgia has had with its offensive line, and that's not Bobo's job. The Dogs have gone through three OL coaches in recent years with pretty much the same problem. Maybe it's a recruiting issue, I don't know. Besides the OL, the major problem responsible for most of the Dogs' troubles this season has been the play of its talented, experienced but underperforming defense. Are you ready to fire Grantham as well?
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October 26th, 2012
11:10 am
October 26th, 2012
11:20 am
I love FL week & hate it at the same time. We do have an opportunity & I just hope we can take advantage of it. GO DAWGS!
October 26th, 2012
11:26 am
Just protect the dang ball. The fact that GA has had at least one turnover in every single GA/FL game since 1988 is absolutely astounding.
Special Teams? Another thing that is astounding is how we have a lackadaisical approach from the top down. Spped of the captian, speed of the ship, as they say…..
I hope I am wrong but I see another "oh no…we are in Jax so we must wet the bed " games ( other than last year).
October 26th, 2012
11:27 am
Captain , sorry…..
October 26th, 2012
11:31 am
Just run the toss sweep. We have the backs to make it work. Simple yet so effective. Would totally catch Florida off guard since we run that stupid counter, weak side, up the middle run 50 times a game.
October 26th, 2012
11:32 am
I just hope the team gets up for this game. If we loose, then make it a tuff fight. Not a blow out.
October 26th, 2012
11:34 am
Something is just missing in Athens and has been for a while.
October 26th, 2012
11:37 am
CMR: Hey guys what time is it?
CMB: It's 3 minutes before kick off coach
CMR: Okay lets make this quick… Hey big guy I've got something for ya!
CTG: What is it coach?
CMR: (Throws a big white towel to Grantham)
CTG: Wow Coach! My own personal towel… it's gota black oval "G" on it… Your the best coach!
CMR:Thought of a new wrinkle when sending out defensive signals and other signals to our players.
CTG: What do ya mean coach?
CMR: Well we will have one of our scrubbs holding up the towell in front of you when you give the choke sign and other signals. This should throw off the gators throughout the game and mess with their psyche. It should keep them guessing when you are or are not giving the choke sign.
CTG: Wow coach that is brilliant!
CMR: I know…. that is why they pay me the BIG bucks.
CMR: Hey Bobo, Florida thinks we will run the ball more so what is your plan?
CMB: Im thinking only if we get into third and long situations. Im going back to the draw.
CMR: Sounds like a plan!
CMR: Hey Garner…. get over here I've got something for you too.
CRG: Okay coach what it is?
CMR: Well McGarrity didnt allow recruits to attend the game. I already went ahead and ordered bucket loads of KFC for them. They are on ice in the locker room. You can have them if you want and you can share some with Todd.
CRG: Man…. coach this is like early Thanksgiving!
CMR:Yeah I know …. the holidays are quickly approaching and we already got a bowl game locked up somewhere. So all of you need to just relax. Our Bonuses should be about ready to kick in too after those contract extensions from last spring.
CRG: Coach Richt you are the best! I dont care what our fans say or think.
CMR: Well I've got to fix my hair and put on my shades…see you fella's on the sidelines.
October 26th, 2012
11:39 am
For the record, Tennessee fired Fulmer because they demand championships and he got passed by the rest of the SEC.
Hmm? Kind of reminds me of a program in Athens.
I don't fault Tennessee for taking some gambles. At least their AD is showing that he wants to win and will do whatever it takes to get there.
October 26th, 2012
11:39 am
Please don't play to the lunatic fringe by saying we'll end up like TN if we change coaches. There are far, far more examples of new coaches winning the NC or being ranked in the top 1 or 2 in their second years than there are TN examples. Let's have some confidence that McGarity can summon the courage to clean house with our underperforming, over paid satff and find the HC that going to put us over the top. Twelve years on this experiment is enough. Richt does not have the skill or desire to win it all, much less a top 10 team.
October 26th, 2012
11:52 am
Would Saban keep Grantham or Bobo? Would Muschamp? Would Miles?
October 26th, 2012
11:53 am
Not Bobos fault? Eh…constantly running the ball up the middle is his call.
Bubba King….Are you seriously wanting Mitchell to risk running the ball out and only getting 10 yards and the possibility of a fumble? I will take the easy 25 with him back there. He still scares me when he has the ball.
October 26th, 2012
11:54 am
Insanely well thought our responces Bill.
On the extra point deal, though. Folks can specualte as to what would or would not be accomplished by letting one our position coaches "co-ordinate" the special team. Up till last year , Richt did that. Right now, short of firing somebody, he just doesnt have the room or a guy appearantly he feels would do a better job with it. I suspect the next coaching turnover might change that. BUT… why would folks assume a TE coach, or a DB coach would BE a kicking specialist? Morgan HAS a personal kicking coach. A personal one on one kicking coach. And we have plenty of ex-kickers around the program who you know offer watever they can. A guy co-ordinating special teams meeting and practices is NOT going to improve the form of a freshman kicker on extra points. (or the 10% of them he is not nailing). Nor is Richt, and I suspect that comment of his was more for show, than substance. So this one is NOT another example of how special teams is being ignored.
October 26th, 2012
11:54 am
There is no energy on the team – they play as if they will be given the wins………..lets all sing kum-ba-ya.
October 26th, 2012
11:56 am
"Georgia can still have a 10-win regular season and go to a New Year's Day bowl"
The UGA battle cry – Ten win seasons and the Outback Bowl (Yum Yum) – but no NC titles for over thirty years and counting.
October 26th, 2012
11:56 am
And that would be, the next position coach turnover, just to be clear.
October 26th, 2012
11:57 am
After the SC game, Clowney said the UGA o-line was giving away when the ball was going to be snapped. I also heard a rumor that SC had discovered another "tell" for when UGA would do a running play or a passing play. I don't know if that one is true, but if our offense is giving away this information before the snap, it could be a long day in Jacksonville. Hopefully any such issues have been resolved, or, if our coaches are smart, turned to our advantage.
October 26th, 2012
11:59 am
pre game, Good stuff. Your take on the mediocrity of UGA's coaching is far more creative than my plan ole facts.
two bags, Well said, too. 12 years of this experiment is enough. Give me a coach who LOOKS LIKE HE GIVES A D@MN on the sidelines when players don't play well, and does not tolerate flagrant personal fouls.
October 26th, 2012
12:02 pm
Yes, Bill, I really do want to go down that road, and the fact that you obviously don't pretty much sums up why Bulldogs fans haven't enjoyed better success: because not enough of them demand it. Why must you water down criticisms? Williams's comments poorly stated you say? No, they were perfectly stated. Can you call yourself a Gator fan? You posted a stupid blog like that instead of putting out something meaningful like when will the coaching staff get it together and actually earn their massive salaries. With a losing record a couple years ago you stated you still can't quite pull the trigger on Richt yet. What would it take? A season with no wins? With at least four defensive starters projected to go in the first round next year and this is the best the coaching staff can do, what conclusion do you come up with? With the first quarterback and the first running back taken in the draft a few years ago and not even an SEC title to show for it, what conclusion do you come up with? Your mentality is weak, Bill, and shame on you for taking up valuable blog space with your watered down crap.
October 26th, 2012
12:02 pm
Bill, You too often refer to what has happened at TENN after Fulmer was kicked out (I have too in the past), but you fail to mention about what has happened at FLORIDA since Zook was fired, or ALABAMA after Shula was fired, or CLEMSON, VANDY, etc, etc.. Yeah, there's been other place where the jury is still out, like AU – they do have a NC, but look what they've sacrificed for it. But then there's ND, and even Carolina when they got Holtz then Spurrier. My point is this: IF Richt isn't going to lead us to a NC.. And I would say 'NO' due to the talent level UGA has continued to have and the results they have netted, then there ARE INDEED other coaches out there. Yes, you stand a chance to go backwards first, but if that gets you to where you want to be, isn't that worth it?
October 26th, 2012
12:05 pm
What is the deal?. The day before the game and no reference in any articles as to how UGA leads in the series. I guess with the trend of the UGA football program, even the media realizes what a hollow statement that has become. Sort of like whistling past the graveyard.
October 26th, 2012
12:12 pm
DawgFanInBama….I said I don't want him returning the ball 8 yards deep, but that is his job to make the decision…I'm more concerned about it being a yard or 2 deep and him returning it without a crucial blocker in front of him…this has been happening alot…UGA has fielded 15 kickoffs in 3 games…and this has happened a few times…Mitchell returned one from 3 yards deep and made it to the 25, with 2 blockers he outran 3 yards behind him…He needs to make the decision and the other guys need to be blocking defenders in case he does bring it out…Like i said, if he is not equipped to handle the decision, he doesn't need the job…
October 26th, 2012
12:14 pm
SSI….we won last year, so it's not quite as important to mention as it has been 90% of the time the last 20 years…lol….go Dawgs!!!
October 26th, 2012
12:14 pm
BK. Do not agree w/you on new HC at GA turning out like TN issues they've had. Look at FL and CWM. In his 2d season and ranked #2, 7-0 w/chance to be a NC in second season. Also, anything less then winning out this season is a dissappointment, especially, with the returning players on D which has been a dissappointment as well. Ten wins of no consequense isn't going to cut it any longer. The trend w/GA football is on the down swing while being surpassed by teams that have over taken GA by improving w/impressive wins instead of the embarrassing wins turned in by the dawgs. It just shouldn't be this way.
Weather scares me this w/e. Not sure either team will benefit from 30 MPH winds. Probably affects GA more since Murray & Bobo rely on passing if running game faulters. Running game now looms as maybe the deciding factor if both teams have trouble completing passes or throwing picks due to windy conditions. Kicking game too, big time.
October 26th, 2012
12:15 pm
I'd say the real raspberries go to you, "Do you really want to go down that road?," for taking up valuable blog space.
October 26th, 2012
12:31 pm
I'm sorry Bill, but not chasing after success because you are scared of failure ( as in "look what happened to Tennessee") is the attitude of a loser. Pure and simple. There is no true reward without significant risk.
October 26th, 2012
12:37 pm
interesting fact. 2 other SEC school have PKs (that are not freshmen, BTW) AND special team co-ordinators, and have missed 4 extra points this year as well.
October 26th, 2012
12:43 pm
October 26th, 2012
12:44 pm
BMOC, in those cases that you mentioned, those coaches were failing and going downhill. They fired those coaches after a bad year(s) and no institutional confidence that anything was improving. They did not sit after a 10+ win season and decide that Zook, Shula, Holtz was just never going to win a NC and make a change. That's not what Bill was comparing to.
October 26th, 2012
12:54 pm
And be clear, I am not trying to get into a "can he or can't he" debate on Richt winning a NC anytime in the future. That's obviously free for opinion. Just saying, your point is weakened by comparing apples to oranges, to dispute what Bill said.
October 26th, 2012
12:59 pm
The post before this one got me thinking about how frustrated I used to get with Dooley-era offensive decisions, even more than CMR and Bobo. But special teams is definitely one area where I almost never found myself second-guessing Dooley or his coaching staff. Whether Kevin Butler or Rex Robinson, we always seemed to find the most phenomenal kickers. It was almost a signature aspect of Georgia football. And Scott Woerner on punt returns! My god! Great fielding decisions and an almost suicidal willingness to run straight at (and frequently through) a wall of oncoming tacklers. That man dug us out of more holes that I can count. Imagine if we had someone like Woerner back there now. Richt era special teams play is a defintie step downward.
October 26th, 2012
1:00 pm
But IMO. NONE of those schools you mentioned, Florida, Alabama, Clemson, ND, SC, would fire Mark Richt after this year. (at least as we know the situation to be at this point, even factoring in a possible lose this weekend to #2)
Hypothetical as fun to banter, but in reality you know they would not.
October 26th, 2012
1:03 pm
It's become very apparent to an overwhelming number of fans that Richt will never accommplish anything more than he has to date. Beating up on 10 blind sisters of the poor every year is not very rewarding or worthy of what we shell out for coaches salaries, contributions, and tickets, especially if we lose all of the games against the best teams we play. The cracks are already showing. Season tickets were for sale this season without a donation, tickets have been returned for every game, and there have been plenty of empty seats at each game. Let's make a change while our brand is still worth something (although it's worth is rapidly dropping). Plenty of good coaches out there, just not on our side of the field.
October 26th, 2012
1:12 pm
Did not realize that the SEC had so many blind sister of the poor in it's ranks.
October 26th, 2012
1:15 pm
Win or lose sat…i'm still a Dawg for life….we are just missing something on the reason we can't win the big game…I dont know what that is….maybe we take 5 steps forward after beating fla….dang i hope so….I would feel alot better about us pulling the upset if michael bennett was playing…but i know he is done for the year…get well 82….so you can give em hell next year.
October 26th, 2012
1:20 pm
If the O-line is an issue, it still falls under Bobo as he is Friend's boss. If the O-line is not capable of blocking for a particular play, then Bobo needs to adjust the playcalling to fit the line's abilities.
October 26th, 2012
1:32 pm
FL newspapers reporting the bad weather in JAX will favor UF since UGA won't be able to pass in the high winds and UGA has NO ground game.
October 26th, 2012
1:34 pm
no need to rack your brain for the answer to that joe,it's really pretty simple. Its a lack of :veteran SEC caliber O-line and the same running back for more than 1 yr in a row.
October 26th, 2012
1:38 pm
Tha'st not "reporting". That's guessing. Others are speculating that UF having to be one dimensional will help Georgia be able to load the box and stop UF ground game too.
So it comes down to which team, can pass "some" in bad weather. One of the best passing teams, or the worst passing team in the league.
October 26th, 2012
1:42 pm
October 26th, 2012
1:44 pm
"If the O-line is an issue, it still falls under Bobo as he is Friend's boss. If the O-line is not capable of blocking for a particular play, then Bobo needs to adjust the playcalling to fit the line's abilities."
Yep. I agree with you in defending Bobo in your response Bill (he is not the start and stop for all of UGA's woes). But the O-line is most certainly Bobo's responsibility. It may not exactly be his fault, but it's part of his job to get them boys knocking heads on the line.
October 26th, 2012
1:54 pm
This is the problem with college football and why the NFL is superior and why we must play 10 game schedules with a playoff. A 6-1 team should not feel like their season is a bust if they are 11-1 or 10-2 at the end. That is crap. Plus, style points should not factor into ranking and oversized media member should not determine where a team is ranked.
Every team has a weakness or two and every team gets it exploited by another team. Thats the nature of the game. SC got played close by UK. UF was played tough by A&M. Why? Because they want to win and don't suck.
This is crazy talk because the system for determining championships is broken and it puts undue pressure on boys trying to get an education and play the greatest game in America.
There is my rant.
October 26th, 2012
1:55 pm
Richt and bobo need to go
October 26th, 2012
1:59 pm
I would love for us to wear black jerseys and red pants for this game….no not those red pants we wore vs boise st…the ones we wore in the herschel day's…why not we really don't have anything to lose…..
October 26th, 2012
2:02 pm
Who do people want to hire as HC? Just curious. And who do you think we can get?
October 26th, 2012
2:10 pm
Hmmm. *crickets*
October 26th, 2012
2:18 pm
We need to end the WLOC. I would like our chances a lot better with the home field advantage. But instead we have to play our two biggest games away.
October 26th, 2012
2:19 pm
reality is richt is not going anywhere…..time to take fla down will muschamp has never won in jacksonville…not as a player or coach….heres hoping the trend continues
October 26th, 2012
2:19 pm
The situation at Tennessee was different. They were not recruiting well either and that led to a sharp decline. Then Kiffin blew them off for USC. That ruined their credibility and whatever recruiting momentum they had went in the toilet. Georgia produces vastly more talent than Tennessee and X number of kids will come play for us no matter what. If we lose to the Gators then the time has come to move on. With UGA's resources we should be able to get whoever we want. So I don't think a coaching change would necessarily mean a serious down turn for the program. I don't like thinking like this but I think the continual inability to win big games and most of the time not even be competitive is a pretty grave situation. After 5 seasons of the same trend, that would warrant a change. Coach Richt has earned a certain amount of leeway but that has eroded. No program with our talent level should think that 10 wins over patsies is a good season. The Dawgs have to step up or it is time to can the whole staff and try someone else.
October 26th, 2012
2:25 pm
As for those who think UGA ought to be thinking about another coach, I'd just like to remind them of what has happened to the Tennessee program since they dumped Phil Fulmer. Do you really want to go down that road?
so tell me Bill, how long to we live by this statement?????????????? what happens when we lose the cupcake schedule and have real teams like next year…..?? then is 8-4 good? it would be for some. Its that attitude that keeps us from going to the top…..would of could of should of…hope we do…BS! Maybe next year we can hear our coach say…Hey, were 8-4 and that aint bad


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