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UPDATED! It's Official! Disney/Lucasfilm Hire Lawrence Kasdan And Simon Kinberg To Write And Produce Future STAR WARS Installments!
Beaks here...
And we've got confirmation from The Hollywood Reporter's Borys Kit: Lawrence Kasdan and Simon Kinberg are officially signed to write and produce installments of the new STAR WARS trilogy. It's not yet known which episodes they will write, or which they'll produce, but they're definitely on board. So there you go. Kasdan is back in the STAR WARS fold!
Here's what I wrote before the news was official...
While we're waiting for word on who will direct STAR WARS EPISODE VII, Deadline's Mike Fleming Jr. has an interesting scoop regarding who's in the running to write the subsequent episodes for Disney and Lucasfilm.
Though neither writer is signed yet, Fleming has learned that Disney is talking to Simon Kinberg and, get this, Lawrence Kasdan. Now, it's been a while since Kasdan wrote a genuinely good movie (and nine years since he gave us the gift of DREAMCATCHER), but who cares? If the screenwriter of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is available and willing to return to the STAR WARS universe, you let him take a crack, end of discussion. I've been pretty cool on the idea of the new installments thus far, but I'm a big enough sap to get a little misty at the thought of Kasdan writing a new STAR WARS movie.
Kinberg is a little less exciting, but he's done some solid work here and there. If they ultimately go with him, fine. But now that we know he's been approached, you've just got to give Kasdan a shot. What do you guys think?
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Nov. 20, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST
Prometheus 2 NOW!
by dead youngling
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST
More excited about Kasdan, for sure!
by pizzatheface
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST
Will Leia cheat with Lando?
by dead youngling
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
by Chris Moody
Both could work out well!
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
by darth_hideous
that one movie with the psychic cop was fantastic
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
Gift of Dreamcatcher? Are you fucking kidding?!
by Deceased Fan
Many balls were sucked.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:27 p.m. CST
Wow that would really be a fan's dream come true
by Klytus_I.m_Bored
Kasdan back in the Star Wars universe sounds great.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
His last movie was about a missing fucking dog
by skoolbus
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
Diablo Cody
by Mike
leias daughter juno is a whore
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST
Wow, deceased...
by Nice Marmot
You can REALLY sniff out some sarcasm, can't you?
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
"Gift" is sarcasm; and while Kasdan nevertheless is a great idea, Kinberg, I dunno...
by CountryBoy
He seems too hacklike to me. X-MEN was okay, but hardly a masterpiece. I forget what else he's done; but that's not really an inspired choice. Kind of generic studio material.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
Kasdan sucks fucking eggs without Lucas
by Bladerunner751
He hasn't done a god damn thing of note since the 80's.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
Robin Williams as Son of Jar Jar
by Mike
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST
Agreed. Kasdan should be given first dibs at least.
by Gabba-UK
The more I think about it, the more intrigued I am with this next batch of movies. I will be keeping expectations low however.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
Also, I never knew Yoda had a theme
by CountryBoy
Sounds kind of ET-esque; I like it...
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
I always though it was Leigh Brackett that was the one responsible for ESB greatness
by Kurt Walter
And you're not getting her to do it, unfortunately. (She'd be like 94 now if still alive.)
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST
Let's first get all the details of VII before we go running on the others!
by D o o d
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST
by notspock2
That's because yoda's theme IS in E.T.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:36 p.m. CST
Yes. Over reaction. Indeed.
by Deceased Fan
It took some digestion. And then I shit worms and died on the toilet. Sorry.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST
We need a new Leigh Brackett
by CountryBoy
Isn't it intriguing that a girl from the 1940's script pool had a hand in the most-loved film in the most influential franchise in history?
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
As far as Kasdan.
by Deceased Fan
Empire Raiders Jedi...lifetime pass.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
notspock, is that true?
by CountryBoy
I thought it was just Willams' musical DNA shining through...
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
Not a good idea
by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
Kasdan did a good script for ESB almost 30 years ago. Since then, his career has been crap. Look, I'm as nostalgic as the next guy, but there comes a time when you have to accept the fact that your idols are past their prime. Prometheus is just one recent prime example of what can happen when you expect your idols to continue doing as high-quality work as they did in their halcyon days when they are clearly now over the hill. Sorry, but based on the past three decades worth of work, Kasdan is the last guy Disney should be talking to. Sorry, but you know it's true.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
Leigh Brackett new Sci Fi and was a woman
by Kurt Walter
As such she knew how to write a love story. That doesn't get talked about enough, but the interaction between Luke, Han, and Leia, then Han, Lando, and Leia is what makes that movie sizzle. I don't hate the prequels as much as some, but MY GOD Lucas couldn't write a love story to save is life.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
Holy geez!
by quadrupletree
Now I'm officially excited. IF they could even get Kasdan to do a treatment or consult on the story I think it could be amazing for Star Wars. If Disney plays all its cards and taps all the resources at its fingertips they could really make this amazing.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST
Tommy wiesau
by Father
"You are tearing me apart yoda!!!!"
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
Brackett had very little to do with ESB
by Koborover
Apart from Lucas' storyline, little to nothing of her first draft appears in the finished movie. Her credit is mostly there as either a tribute or a contractual obligation.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
Lucas approached Kasdan to re-write Episode 1 just before it was about to start filming
by Redhead_Redemption
Kasdan says he told George no and that he wasn't going to get involved anymore because it was his saga and he needed to do it himself (thanks Lawrence) Seems like Kasdan wasn't against more star wars as much as he was against working with Lucas as a director
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
by kwisatzhaderach
Kasdan did Silverado, Grand Canyon and Wyatt Earp. So shut the fuck up.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
This is happy happy news!!!!
by bubcus
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
by kwisatzhaderach
Leigh Brackett did very little work on Empire. Read some books.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
Brackett didnt write the shooting script for ESB!
by shane peterson
Kasdan did. He did the dialogue and everything. Brackett wrote the first draft that included some cool ideas and some daft ones. That's it. She wrote the first draft. Now shut up.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
by kwisatzhaderach
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
Kasdan is a no-brainer, LOL at the love for Leigh Brackett
by Henri Pouper
Have you fools actually READ her draft of Empire Strikes Back? It's out there, Google it. Not hating on her, but you should all get down on your knees that Kasdan came onboard once she reached The Ultimate Goal. Lawrence Kasdan or go home. He's had mixed success as a writer of drama, but when it comes to pulp fiction (sci-fantasy, swashbuckling, westerns, whatever), the guy is a hero. The choice is simple, here.
Nov. 20, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST
If Lindelof's name pops up...
by C0CKLES
...heads will roll, via lightsabre. Steven Moffett once his Doctor Who tour of duty ends would be a nice choice. But why ONE writer? Surely give the gig to the 5 hottest writers out there and then pick the best one. One tried and tested. One big name. One off the wall indie writer. One TV big hitter (Game of Thrones dudes?) One hotshot debutant.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
koborover is right Lucas kept her credit as screenwriter as a tribute
by shane peterson
abd also gave her family some profit sharing on the film. Now shut up and stop wailing "It was all Kurtz!" and "It was all Brackett!" Jesus, get some facts dumbasses.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
The key to writing star wars
by Pipple
I've thought about this deeply between porn sessions. Ya gotta have memorable dialogue in a star wars film. It can't just be your typical movie dialogue, it has to be operatic, and somewhat melodramatic. Like, I got a bad feeling about this. Use the force luke. Search your feelings you know it to be true. I find your lack of faith disturbing. I could go on...but you get the point. It has to have some emotional heft to it. Not just be logical. Some people it would seem are so focused on logic or whatever, they've forgotten something called poetic license. A character for instance can react emotionally, say "daaaaamn" every once in a while. Add some flavor and style to the dialogue. That's what sucked hairy nuts in the prequels to me. The dialogue was so forgettable. Yoda didn't even talk like Yoda. I could see Lucas trying to recapture that star wars Magic, but simply having anakin repeat han's words verbatim was ridiculous and sloppy. It has to be organic, and flow from who the character is. Leia's a femnazi bitch, so she says "get in the garbage schute flyboys" That one line tells us everything we need to know about who she is, one of those bitches who wants to bite your dick off. Anyway that's what I think...
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST
I pretty much love everything Kasdan has ever done, besides the horrible Dreamcatcher.
by Randy
Body Heat, Big Chill, Accidental Tourist, Grand Canyon, I love you to death are all some of my favorite movies. Empire and Raiders are basically my favorite films ever, so needless to say that I am a huge fan of this guy. He's made some mistakes in his career, but he might be the guy for the job if he can get inspired.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
MAKES YA WONDER, why didn't they tap Kasdan for the Indy 4, or even Indy 5???
by JMoe
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST
"Wyatt Earp" has some of the most stunning imagery in a motion picture since the days of Kubrick and Lean. Example: Little Earp aiming his gun at the moon?! Breathtakeing image makeing.
by ChaunceyGardiner
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST
..............................................Aint it Star Wars rumors.......dotcom....................
by Bobo_Vision
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:06 p.m. CST
And just talking about Kasdan films makes me want to rewatch "Grand Canyon" - right now, this minute.
by ChaunceyGardiner
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
say what you want about Dreamcatcher, at least it was original and dark unlike most post 2000 scifi
by awepittance
so fuck all you dreamcatcher critics seriously.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
I am also quite a fan of the emotionally entangled "The Accidental Tourist."
by ChaunceyGardiner
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST
by TheHumanBeingAndFish
IIRC, here wasn't all that much difference between Lucas' draft (before he hired Kasdan) and Kasdan's script.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
This...could...be something.....
by DocOpticus
any nerd can tell you Empire made Star Wars galactic in scope and depth. Kasdan knows what he has to do. Kinbergs resume isn't the most impressive, but I have a feeling the two together are going to forge the new (amazing) era!
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
What else are they gonna do bobo? Movie News?
by Deceased Fan
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:12 p.m. CST
(Kasdan's gift for embraceing the complexity of human drama is one of the things that was so befuddleing about "Dreamcatcher" and its complete absence of anything resembleing coherence or rationality.)
by ChaunceyGardiner
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST
Kinberg = Vaughn?
by paladinryan
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
In George Lucas's defense!
by Norm3
He asked Lawrence Kasdan to co-write Episodes 1-3 but Kasdan turned him down.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST
No wait...Kinberg = Blomkamp...
by paladinryan
He's producing Elysium. Hollywood Reporter said that Kasdan and Kinberg would also be producing.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST
(Unless you make the case that it is an artistic representation of Stephen King's cocaine phase of writeing: everything in the cooking pot, even the container from which the pepper was sprinkled.)
by ChaunceyGardiner
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:20 p.m. CST
Kasdan turned Lucas down coz
by MustGoFaster
He read the treatment for TPM and thought "I'm getting the fuck outta here".
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
You know, between Brackett's First Draft and Kasdan's Final Script, there was another writer.
by lochkray
It was Lucas. Seriously. And, believe it or not, most of the great ideas that eventually came through in Kasdan's script, came from Draft 2 of ESB, written by the bearded one. People bash Lucas so quickly now, and I'm not going to defend his writing, but Kasdan's ESB script owes a lot more to Lucas' writing than to Brackett.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
I know I'm an idiot, but I stand by my memory of Dreamcatcher sucking balls.
by Deceased Fan
I also recall the sucking of said balls in the 50' radius of theater goers surrounding me. Opening night. Packed house. Lots of balls. The shitting worms movie is what it is referred as . When it comes up, which is never. Well...today, but other than today. Never.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
If you've read King's Dreamcatcher then you'd know that the film was doomed from the start
by Stegman84
You might be able to polish a turd, but it's always going to smell like shit. The only thing about Dreamcatcher that surprised me was that Kasdan signed on to do it to begin with.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
Kasdan wouldn't have to listen to Lucas more than he wants to
by Nem_Wan
Whoever writes these gets Lucas' story treatment, and presumably Lucas' phone number. Lucas isn't the boss and doesn't want to be the boss.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST
The deal is done.
by Aragorn742
Kinberg and Kasdan have closed their deals and will script the films WITH Michael Arndt as well as come onboard as producers. http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=97285
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST
Am I gay for loving French Kiss?
by Flames gotta Eat
I believe in Kasdan, even if his last 10 years have sucked. Kinberg seems to have produced some good and some bad, so who knows. I think he does well with good material it seems though. Xmen 3 writing wasn't too good though.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST
Why not.
by mastermold
And while we're at it, why not dig up the corpse of Irvin Kershner and let him direct it too. Jesus!
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
The writers are pretty good, at least
by Beebop
Something tells me the writing will at leaswt be vastly improved over the garbage Lucas put out there.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
Lawrence Kasdan - shit just got real
by paladinryan
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
Leigh Brackett did NOT write TESB screenplay
by Flexfill
Kasdan has stated clearly that her draft was thrown out completely. Lucas wrote two drafts after her, then handed the whole thing over to Lawrence Kasdan and Larry made it GOLD. End of Story. He also wrote the screenplay for Raiders of the Lost Ark from a story by Phillip Kaufman (he came up with the title ROTLA) and George Lucas.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:33 p.m. CST
anyone else think this entire idea is really weird?
by EarnestC
Lucas, creatively, has been done since Jedi Strikes Back, but Star Wars was always his vision. Despite all the merchandising deals and the TV series and everything else, it was implicit that the movies were canon and the rest of that stuff were tie-ins. The guy makes three pretty tepid prequels, says he's going to make small movies for the rest of his career, and then abruptly retires - but not before selling his franchise for money, money I'd assume he doesn't need. Lucas sort or reminds me of Axl from Guns 'N Roses - destroyed entirely for slightly inscrutable reasons. Lucas looked miserable in that latest interview. Not only miserable but defeated. And this is all just entertainment, but the idea that fans - some of them pretty bland, if we're floating the names we are floating here - get to make new direct Star Wars movies seems kind of dirty to me. Fine, make a movie in the Star Wars universe (although even that seems messed up), but call it Star Wars 7? It's gross. It's like if someone started painting Van Goghs after he didn't feel like it any more, or if someone started writing official sequels to War and Peace.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST
Kershner corpse directed sequel > Prequels
by Deceased Fan
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST
Thank the gods that David Koepp isn't involved
by bf skinner
A coupla months ago he seemed like a sure bet to write at least one of them. Now he's crying into his cornflakes cursing his ineptitude with Crystal Skullfuck.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST
Sorry, but....
by mastermold
Let's just call all this what it is and what we all know it to be: An attempt to recreate the old magic of the original movies. Which is why we're going to wheel out the original cast (quite possibly literally by the time they get started filming this), and rehire Kasdan who hasn't done anything worthwhile in a dog's age. You cannot re-catch lightning in a bottle. This shit will make a lot of money but all you're doing is setting up awful comparisons with what has come before, and in the cold light of reality, it will not hold up and all the fans will walk away from the experience lessened.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
TESP Screenplay Facts
by Flexfill
Stephen Haffner, owner of the press that printed Martian Quest: The Early Brackett, who has read Brackett's script, and claims that -- outside Lucas' storyline -- nothing of Brackett's personal contributions to the script survives into the finished movie.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
King wrote Dreamcatcher in hospital on painkillers
by performingmonkey
It was hardly gonna be a masterpiece...though Kasdan actually managed to fuck it up even more by cutting a lot of the core character stuff (may have been a directorial decision, who knows...).
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST
I'll take whoever wrote "I thought they smelled bad..on the outside"
by Lao_Che_Air_Freight
and the "I'd just as soon kiss a wookiee" exchange..
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST
That's a new one. Idiots trying to pin all the greatness on Leigh Brackett, now...
by Jay
Morons. Why does Star Wars tend to do this to people? Again, stop trying to pin all the success on a singular entity. It's almost as bad as people trying to discredit Lucas from A New Hope now. "It was his wife!" "It was all in the editing!" You just can't stand the fact that Lucas made some good films in the past. For a bunch of wannabe know-it-alls, it's amazing how delusional you are about the situation.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST
The Brackett script was released online months ago
by paladinryan
Anyone can look it up and judge for themselves.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
TESB Screenplay Facts
by Flexfill
To be fair, Lawrence Kasdan has stated in several interviews that Leigh Brackett's script was thrown out. Out of respect, she was credited. She is now gone and that's all there is to it. Her script just didn't work and was not used in any way, shape or form. Brackett's screenplay has never been officially or legally published, despite a copy floating around online. She died in 1978 and Empire hit theaters in 1980. Lucas actually wrote 2 drafts and then handed the whole thing over to Kasdan, according J.W. Rinzler's book on the making of Empire published 2010. He had access to all Lucasfilm archives.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
Give me Super Star Wars. Video game movie of the snes game. I want it full 3R but with space between each scan line. And I want it now you thumbless mitt shit slinger.
by UltraTron
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST
Why not keep the same writer for three films?
by Logan_1973
Consistency, man. Consistency.
Nov. 20, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
I love King - but I hated Dreamcatcher..
by Lao_Che_Air_Freight
I thought it was the worst thing he'd put out since Tommyknockers. But they're both better than Cell (except for the first chapter - I walk by that Mr Frosty van at the corner of Boston Common every day in the summertime...and then a couple blocks later I walk past all the "10 O'Clock People" on Federal Street).
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST
C'mon, Kasdan is a great choice. FFS he wrote Raiders and Silverado. He knows how to write characters and loves the Western.
by AlienFanatic
Yes, Grand Canyon was a mess, as was Dreamcatcher (imo), but with a steady hand at his back (Kennedy), I'm confident he could turn in a spectacular script. Idk about the other guy, but it's so far off there's plenty of time to change and/or rewrite.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST
Has it come to this? Lawrence Kasdan, of all people, needs defending?
by Brian Hopper
Jesus you spoiled little f'ing children. It's been a while since Kasdan did work of note, but anyone, ANYONE, who has a bad word to say about him should be shot. Just shot dead. A seriously GREAT writer. Not good, GREAT. There are only a few writers in Hollywood history with as many high-quality screenplays to his or her name as Kasdan. Body Heat, Raiders, TESB, and The Big Chill are all as good as it gets in the writing department. Has everyone forgotten that gem Continental Divide? That, Grand Canyon and Accidental Tourist are also terrific screenplays. Seriously, I just want to reach through this computer and throttle anyone who does not completely and totally understand what a seriously great writer Kasdan is. Go watch Body Heat and Raiders and learn something about good writing, you basement dwelling assclowns. Any involvement by Kasdan can only class up a Star Wars movie. It's as simple as that.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST
If they do Simon Kinberg, thats one strike
by Jackson
Three strikes, I'm out.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:16 p.m. CST
m6y, they mindlessly follow the old cliche. You're only as good as your last movie...
by Jay
I've seen it happen to literally every writer/director on here. As soon as someone makes a less than perfect movie, it's "they've lost!" "They're burnt out!" "They've peaked!". Scorsese, Spielberg, Tarantino, Allen, Fincher, you name it. They've all been called these things on here before.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST
You just got this news?
by Citizen Sane
Wow are you clowns behind the curve!
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:19 p.m. CST
I'm okay with any sequel
by gaygoonie
It's prequels that give me the heebie geebies. "Let's tell the story before the story began, even though we already know the outcome!"
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
Kasdan has many career highlights, but Raiders of the Lost Ark is one of the greatest screenplays ever written.
by AzulTool
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:21 p.m. CST
Is Beaks saying Dreamcatcher was good?
by jpcapone
that movie sucked king kong ass
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST
Dreamcatcher WTF?
by oogiboogi
Love Kasdan.... but hated that steaming mung filled pile of crap you call a gift.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:30 p.m. CST
Are jcapone and deceased fucking dense or what?
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
Come the fuck on guys. Get with it.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST
I think
by zegota
it would have been nice to give us some examples of movies these writers wrote, other than ESB. We're not all film buffs. Off to Google!
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
Well that shows a lot of confidence in Arndt.
by thefreshestthing
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
He's also a great technical director. Not a single wasted frame.
by Royston Lodge
I'm not always all that jazzed about the subject matter of his movies (fuck off with the love letters to the baby boomers already), but even when I dislike the subject matter I can't argue with the mastery of the direction. Every scene, every frame, has a purpose. There is no filler in his movies.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
Hey, I admitted I was a dumbass.
by Deceased Fan
Rub it in. Damn.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
If only Lawrence Kasdan had done a final draft of THE PHANTOM MENACE
by one9deuce
Top 5 things he could have changed to make EPISODE I the masterpiece it should have been: 1) When the Neimoidians and the Sith invade Naboo, Darth Maul and the Battle Droids kill the royal family when they take over. But Princess Amidala doesn't die and escapes with the Jedi, and is now the only surviving royal with the responsibility of her entire planet on her 17 year old shoulders. 2) Have Anakin Skywalker be 20 years old. No annoying li'l scamp, no need to recast. Have him be a big guy like Orson Welles or Babe Ruth. And be supremely talented and supremely flawed like those two historical figures. 3) Have Jar Jar Binks be a true outcast. Not a jokey one because he had a little bitty accidentay. But a pariah, that truly redeems himself at the Battle of Naboo by being heroic. Not saying my give up for a dumb unfunny punch line. 4) Have the Nubian fighter pilots unable to get through the Droid Control Ship's shield, like in the movie. But the pilots realize that a starship could destroy it from the inside. Several Nubians die trying to navigate into the hangar with all the defense systems and droid ships protecting the entrance. But Anakin is so skilled that he makes it in to the interior even though be feels like it's probably a suicide mission. Why would destroying the Droid Control Ship be so important? Because the Gunguns are losing the field battle and actually ARE going to be wiped out of existence. Like Darth Sidious actually commanded. Anakin destroys the Droid Control Ship right before the Battle Droids exterminate the Gungans. 5) Don't kill off Darth Maul! He's a fascinating character. Have him in all three Prequels, and have him die at Anakin's hands. Either as Anakin Skywalker, or even better, as Darth Vader. That's the duel I'd have liked to see. I actually feel like Disney wants to make a great EPISODE VII. And why wouldn't they? It's the films that DON'T follow a safe studio template that make the most money anyway. THE DARK KNIGHT and PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN: THE CURSE OF THE BLACK PEARL are two excellent examples.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST
Okay deceased, since you've atoned I'll replace you with oogiboogi
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
I'm making a list so I don't ever accidentally read any of these dudes posts ever again. Guaranteed that these guys probably expect to have their "thoughts" taken seriously as well. Man, I may just really need to stop reading these talkbacks altogether. I feel dumberer after having to wade through all this misinformed and ridiculously arrogant ignorance. =What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this talkback is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may Crom have mercy on your soul.=
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:46 p.m. CST
And chaunceygardiner, wtf is up with your thesaurus speak? And why on Earth do you leave the "e" at the end of words such as writeing?
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
That shit is fucking obnoxious. Just saying.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:47 p.m. CST
Why didn't Disney contact me?
by J
I'm available to write this sucker. Not that I'd accept, but I'm available...
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST
@ one9deuce - agreed brother
by Jason
I saw this youtube vid of some guy who had a similar idea, check it out cos if this movie was made instead of what we got in 1999 we would've all been a much, MUCH happier bunch! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgICnbC2-_Y
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST
Well fuck me raw and call me hamburger!!
by ATARI
This is cool news.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
Arndt, Kasdan and, yes, even Kinsburg working together can only help
by Quarantine
Kasdan as the wise veteran who had as much impact on Empire and ROTJ being childhood faves to us all as anybody. Arndt coming up with great dialogue and emotional character archs. Kinaburg delivering romance that our wives and GFs actually find believable. Compared to the pacing, dialogue and unconvincing romance in the prequels this trio should be able to work well together.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:51 p.m. CST
As far as Kasdan writing more STAR WARS? OH. FUCK. YES.
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
Kasdan's Mumford script was great
by Quarantine
Mumford's underrated. Anytime that movie's on TV I get sucked in to watch it.
Nov. 20, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
I was scared that it would have been Orci and Kurtzman since they get all the cool gigs now, but I am so glad it's not them!!!!
by Just_Some_Guy
Fuck Bob Orci!
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:10 p.m. CST
Kasdan will have to write Episode IX
by Logan_1973
Arndt sets up the new universe, Kinberg fills in the middle, Kasdan wraps it up. Everyone is falling into the right place. Now if only we can get Ed Zwick to direct one of 'em.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST
Re: Leigh Brackett's contirbution to ESB
by Zardoz
From Wiki: The Empire Strikes Back Brackett worked on the screenplay for The Empire Strikes Back. The movie won the Hugo Award in 1981. This script was a departure for Brackett, since until then, all of her science fiction had been in the form of novels and short stories. The exact role which Brackett played in writing the script for Empire is the subject of some dispute. What is agreed on by all is that George Lucas asked Brackett to write the screenplay based on his story outline. It is also known that Brackett wrote a finished first draft which was delivered to Lucas shortly before Brackett's death from cancer on March 18, 1978. Two drafts of a new screenplay were written by Lucas and, following the delivery of the screenplay for Raiders of the Lost Ark, turned over to Lawrence Kasdan for a new approach. Both Brackett and Kasdan (though not Lucas) were given credit for the final script. Many reviewers[who?] believed that they could detect traces of Brackett's influence in both the dialogue and the treatment of the space opera genre in Empire.[7] However, Laurent Bouzereau, in his book Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays, states that Lucas disliked the direction of Brackett's screenplay and discarded it. He then produced two screenplays before turning the results over to Kasdan, who did not work directly with Brackett's script at all. It is speculation if Lucas' assignment of credit to Brackett was a mere courtesy, a mark of respect for the work she had done during her illness, or a contractual obligation.[8] Support for the latter view comes from Stephen Haffner, owner of the press that printed Martian Quest: The Early Brackett, who has read Brackett's script, and claims that -- outside Lucas' storyline -- nothing of Brackett's personal contributions to the script survives into the finished movie. Brackett's screenplay has never been officially or legally published. According to Stephen Haffner, owner of the press that printed Martian Quest: The Early Brackett, it can be read at one of two locations: the Jack Williamson Special Collections library at Eastern New Mexico University in Portales, New Mexico (but may not be copied or checked out); and the archives at Lucasfilm, Ltd. in California.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:13 p.m. CST
by suspect999
Most impressive.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST
by DarthBlart
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:18 p.m. CST
by Jeff
Kasdan didn't write or direct anything since 2003. He did some executive producing here and there or something,(which is basically just lending your name to a project) He is now 63 years old and his last film Darling Companion was the smallest movie I've seen in a long time. It looks like it was shot for about ten bucks and he just wrangled his old friends together for a play-type performance during a weekend in Colorado. It was fine, but it was like a small bookend to a lifelong career. Now at the age of 63 he's going to launch into re-booting Star Wars? Somebody doesn't have enough saved for retirement I think.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:27 p.m. CST
Mr and Mrs. Smith was well-written
by Quarantine
That movie has more replay value than any rom com thing should. The playful but outraged lines between Jolie and Pitt over dinner are a little reminiscent of Kasdan's work with Marion/Jones and Han/Leia. If nothing else the characters in all 3 should be less wooden and more layered.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST
Kasdan seems to have a knack for writing good dialogue for Harrison Ford
by wil
Let's hope he brings back some of that humor and sarcasm that was missing in the new movies.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:36 p.m. CST
Reading this news, all my doubts just evaporated
by P. David
Disney is going to handle Star Wars properly.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST
Kasdan should have wrote Indy 4
by Glen Saunders
Who better to continue the relationship of Indy and Marion so far down the track then the man who originally started it off?
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST
This made my night!
by Darth_Kaos
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
Dreamcatcher was the most bewildering thing I've ever seen, but...
by P. David
All great filmmakers have at least one unqualified disaster to thier name.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:39 p.m. CST
So what if Kasdan is 63?
by Logan_1973
My old man is 70 and still as sharp as a tack. As long as Kasdan can still type, its all good.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
shit just got real indeed
by warsinthesun
and being that they've hired kasdan, will they be going with another seasoned veteran to helm the project? please let it be so. if some wannabe filmmaker douche like josh trank, vaughn or mcg end up directing, it will all be for naught.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST
In before some fuck says, "Kasdan's old" and "Kinburg sucks"
by Quarantine
You know some snotty film snob wannabe will bash soon enough. Fact: Arndt, Kasdan and Kinburg have the potential to write better than anything Lucas wrote in the prequels. George is a drector and visionary more than a screenwriter. Fact: Even if Kinburg is weak link he could be worse. Hell, maybe he's a huge Star Wars fans and has been dreaming of this?
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:46 p.m. CST
Blomkamp or bust
by paladinryan
If I have to choose between the two directors Kinberg's worked with before, Vaughn and Blomkamp, give me Blomkamp.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
by P. David
All bets are off now. I was CERTAIN that they weren't going to go with older, seasoned writers and directors—that they were going to go with flavor-of-the-month hacks. I'm thrilled to discover that I was wrong.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:48 p.m. CST
And to think some thought Disney buying Lucasfilm was a bad idea.
by Jay
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST
darth busey...
by P. David
Don't jinx it. I'm serious.
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
These movies are guaranteed to at least not suck completely
by georgecauldron
Nov. 20, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST
The pressure's on Kasdan.
by DarthBlart
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
Why does Kinberg keep getting work?! HACK!!!
by Raymar
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
And to think less than a month ago...
by Jay
any Star War/Lucas related TB was filled with people WANTING Lucas to die (You better believe that what people said) or simply go away and let someone else handle the franchise. And now here we are. Lucas is essentially gone from making the creative choices. A new head of Lucasfilm (Which we've known for a while mind you) Kasdan is officially involved in the new trilogy, as is another quality writer. And you know the unaltered trilogy will come to Blu-ray for the new films release. Despite not loving Ep 1 & 2, I was never a enraged Lucas basher (His films, he can do what he wants) But everything that has happened since the Disney buy has been a fans dream come true. Any Star Wars fan still unhappy about the situation needs to get their head out of their ass.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST
by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch
Lawrence Kasdan!!! The Big Chill is a yuppie flick, but even in something like I Love You To Death he's a great writer with heart and soul He should get his son Jake to help with this. Zero Effect anyone?
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST
As an unapologetic admirer of the prequels...
by P. David
I will tell you my most fervent hope: that obsessive fans of the OT will be happy again. That they will gather on message boards to discuss what they enjoy about Star Wars, rather than what they hate. And gradually, the venom spewed at Lucas, and the Prequels, will disappear. The little kids who grew up with the Prequels will grow into adults, the original fanboys will eventually die, and all will be right with the world.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST
Holy shit, talk about major MAJOR incentive for Lawrence Kasdan.
by one9deuce
Imagine if he brings his RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK/THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK/SILVERADO A+ game to a new STAR WARS screenplay. If the new episode Kasdan is involved with is Original Trilogy quality, then it would seriously diminish George Lucas' perceived contribution to the STAR WARS saga. In fact, it would diminish Lucas' perceived contribution to Lucasfilm in general. Think about it, with Lawrence Kasdan: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK RETURN OF THE JEDI Without Lawrence Kasdan: THE PHANTOM MENACE ATTACK OF THE CLONES REVENGE OF THE SITH KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL A new great STAR WARS written by Lawrence Kasdan would really change the perception of Lucas.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
What I hope most after all this...
by StarWarsRedux
...just get Lucas to direct. Honestly. I've lost hope that he'll actually do his "small art films". Let a Sequel Trilogy be a trio of BIG art films. And really, now that there are professionals writing the scripts from his stories, isn't that enough of letting new people in? He's a mediocre writer as far as dialogue, but he's a good director.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
Translation: If all goes well, this trilogy will bring balance to the force!
by Jay
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST
one9deuce... I don't see how the perception of Lucas could possibly get any lower. But Lucas IS Star Wars...
by P. David
You can complain that he can't direct actors. You can complain that he has a tin ear for dialogue. I will concede both points. But his IDEAS are brilliant. If anything, the Prequels are better-conceptualized than the originals. He just needs to take a step back and look at the big picture.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:27 p.m. CST
Watch "Darling Companion" and see if you still want Kasdan
by darthkittens
Was on a plane with that POS on the screen. It is inexplicably bad. Makes Episodes I-III look like Shakespeare bad.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST
Great that Kasdan is on board. But props to LUCAS for writing the detailed scripts for 5 and 6 right before Kasdan did his brush up.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
The news I dreamed of reading...
by Dan Halen
Now... bring balance to the force!
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
That's some serious ignorance, one9deuce...
by Jay
Without Kasdan, Lucas also gave us... THX. American Graffiti. Temple Of Doom. Last Crusade. etc. And without Lucas, Kasdan gave us Dreamcatcher and whatever-it's-called lost dog movie. See what a retarded argument that is? Apology accepted.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
starwarsredux that would be great. I hope Lucas at least ghost directs, as he did on Jedi.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
I got a bad feeling about this...
by Buck Turgidson
Just joking. Go Kasdan! We're rootin' for ya!
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST
If Lucas is less involved than he was on Empire and Jedi, no amount of cast and crew from the original trilogy will be able to make it fit in with 1-6.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST
It couldn't hurt to hire Empire lenser, PETER SUSCHITSKY, who made the Star Wars universe look real. He just lensed COSMOPOLIS. Beautiful photography, just like the falcon interior of ESB.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST
Oh, and need I harp? Without John Williams on ALL THREE new movies, there is no hope whatsoever.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
Lucas as idea man, Kasdan as writer of dialogue=perfect combination. But don't overestimate Kasdan's con
by P. David
His innovation was to use the writings of Joseph Campbell to create a story that would cut across all nationalities and demographics. There is a purity and a timelessness to the Star Wars story; it's about myth and folklore and history. And Lucas had the genius to juxtapose those reference points with a cheesy old science-fiction serial.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
Lucas as idea man, Kasdan as writer of dialogue=perfect combination. But don't overestimate Kasdan's contri
by P. David
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
Your all clear kid...
by scrapplejoe
now just get the original actors back for at least 30 minutes of the first flick... heck, do it like Peter Jackson did it in the LOTR... a flashback sequenceish 20 minutes of pure awesomeness leading into the movie..
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
one9deuce spot on re TPM
by Miyamoto_Musashi
Those 5 changes, may not have eliminated other issues with the script and acting (lack of direction for the more junior actors). But would certainly have made a big difference. Darth Maul's demise, was a big mistake (hence his resurrection in the Clone Wars cartoon). What we got instead was Count Dooku, when we already had Sidious/Palpatine as old bad white guy. Anakin as a child may have had good intentions, but didn't work.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
Replacing John Williams would mean a reboot/recast quality I would not pay to see. John Williams is the most important actor in Star Wars, and he can't be replaced.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
I keep sending off my posts halfway through. What I mean to say is, Lucas as idea man, Kasdan as writer of dialogue=perfect combination. But don't overestimate Kasdan's contribution.
by P. David
Lucas's innovation was to use the writings of Joseph Campbell to create a story that would cut across all nationalities and demographics. There is a purity and a timelessness to the Star Wars story; it's about myth and folklore and history. And Lucas had the genius to juxtapose those reference points with a cheesy old science-fiction serial.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST
John Williams = the voice of the Whills.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST
by Dan Halen
you are right on target. That's why I thought we'd never see this.
Nov. 20, 2012, 10:50 p.m. CST
People need to stop rewriting the prequels in their heads. You CAN bond with/accept/love 1-3 if you unlearn what you have learned. The new generation loved them, then were yelled at by some old fanboy ewok haters.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
wait, wait, wait... the writer of X-Men 2 and Sherlock Holmes??
by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch
Fuck that shit. Those movies were terrible.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST
X-Men 3 I mean. Not to mention XXX2 with Ice Cube taking over for Vin Diesel. This who they get for Star Wars?? Toy Story 3 and XXX2????
by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
Now, if they hired Gary Kurtz to produce...
by Matt Yancik
...that would be one freakin' exciting move. Imagine all the story elements and details that Lucas confided to Kurtz during the early days on episodes 4 and 5 (the things that Lucas abandoned and decided to wrap up with the simplistic and pat ROTJ) finally getting taken seriously, and given the depth and texture that Empire introduced to the saga. I'd be willing to bet, between Kurtz and Kasdan, we'd return Star Wars to its roots and get the best films of the saga since, well... Empire. Bring back Gary Kurtz!
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:08 p.m. CST
if Kasdan writes a new Star Wars... I'm there for the midnight show no question
by AntonStark
if he wrote another Indy... mother fucker... i would die happy
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
kinberg sucks
by yabory
his writing is at the level of michael bay's directing...fun, but super empty and void of any meaning.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:14 p.m. CST
seriously, KINGBERG SUCKS.
by yabory
is that how they're doing it? bring in a promising choice for the property and then completely undermind it by bringing in a hack. shit, mr and mrs. jones worked because the leads had great chemistry, but that movie sucked donkey balls. the plot, the flow...complete shit.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST
by D.Vader
Its like every asshole fanboy's dream is coming true! 1. George Lucas relinquishes the rights to Star Wars- CHECK 2. The third trilogy (Episodes VII-IX) is getting made- CHECK 3. Another writer and director is given the chance to make the new films- CHECK 4. Standalone Star Wars films will be made- CHECK 5. Original cast coming back in the sequels- CHECK 6. Lawrence Kasdan, writer of the best StarWars films, comes back- CHECK Good fucking GOD.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
No Star Wars script is going to top a Lucas script. You may have wiped your ass with it, but that's just because you loved Episode 4 so much.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
Too bad Simon Kinberg SUCKS ASS
by D.Vader
I fucking hate this guy's screenplay for Mr. and Mrs. Smith. What a fucking terrible third act. The entire movie ends with everything being "okay" bc the two main characters aren't killed by a certain time frame? What kind of copout bullshit writing is that???? And none of his other movies have ever instilled any confidence in me. X-Men: The Last Stand? XXX2? Jumper? Fuck that. Three steps forward for Star Wars. One giant leap back.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST
Please no Gary Kurtz
by wadi77
What has he done since he left Lucasfilm?
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST
Kinberg hasn't done ANY "solid work" as far as I'm concerned
by D.Vader
Unless you count Sherlock Holmes as solid. In which case, one blockbuster, yahoo.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST
Does anybody wanna talk about the elephant in the room? False attribution on 4-6? You can say "Kasdan wrote Empire" but that's not accurate. Changing a script is not writing the script.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:23 p.m. CST
That's not to say Kinberg doesn't have it in him to do something good...
by D.Vader
But my GOD, Mr. and Mrs. Smith sucks so much at the script level! The only thing that saves the final product is the chemistry between two beautiful people you just want to see fuck onscreen!
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:24 p.m. CST
at least he is not Lindelof or Orci.
by frank
thank god for that.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
Simon Kinberg... WHY THE FUCK did they pick Simon Kinberg?
by D.Vader
He wrote the atrocious X-Men: The Last Stand of all geek-related things!
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST
If the new writers/directors are attacked by the "fans"...
by P. David
After all the venom that was spewed at George Lucas, all the insanely disproportionate garbage that he took.... if the haters take down his replacements, too, I will give up on the human race. If Lucas is really as untalented as some people imagine, isn't virtually anyone a significant improvement? The Problem with the Prequels is thus: Lucas started out as an auteur, with THX-1138 and American Graffiti, then became a mainstream filmmaker with the Star Wars trilogy. But the Prequels were not made by the mainstream director; they were made by the auteur. They are offbeat, experimental, idiosyncratic works, and if the sequels go back to the style of the OT, the series will have taken a step back, not a step forward.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST
Boy, you said it, D. Vader.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Everything the fanboys wanted is happening.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST
wow, disney isnt fucking around
by ganymede3010
This all coming together nicely. Go Disney!
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST
Studio politics?...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Episode 7 Task: Make Star Wars populist/pay tribute How: Hire Toy Story 3 writer who gives lectures on Episode 4 Episode 8 Task: Sate the fanboys How: Hire Empire writer for "dark" 2nd act Episode 9 Task: Ditch the classic style/transition to modern blockbuster style/capture teen audience. How: Get a modern sequel writer known for box office returns and teen turnout. Seems like Disney cares more about pleasing all demographics than quality and consistency. A mess is a-brewin'.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST
So is it Arndt o 7, Kasdan on 8 and Kinsberg on 9
by SithMenace
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST
Or are they all working together on all 3 films?
by SithMenace
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
Shooting all three back-to-back
by wadi77
Hiring people now for a film due in 2017? They could be planning each episodes in 2015, 2016, 2017 and then continuing with standalones.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
That article wasn't exactly clear
by SithMenace
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:44 p.m. CST
Big gap between now and Kasdan's new script (2017 or 2019) has me thinking...
by Brian Hopper
...that MAYBE Lucas is also gonna hire Kasdan to write the final Indy movie in between? Please god make it so.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:48 p.m. CST
pdp, your auteur argument for the prequels is very solid.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
It's obvious, really. Art is not mainstream. Art challenges preconception. You must unlearn what you have learned. That's a lesson most of us fanboys never learned; directly from our favorite film. Too many fanboys buy into the pop culture when they should embrace the punk ethic of negation. Integrity of art over pop sensibility.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST
They're hiring writers early- now - so that they can collaborate
by D.Vader
Disney wants all three scripts to match up. So they hire Arndt to write the first Episode, and hire two more guys to do the 2nd and 3rd. Its a smart move, because it means each screenwriter can focus on their own story without pressure from execs or time constraints - the sequel writers have time to take notes, rewrite, and accommodate changes. But it also means the first screenwriter, Michael Arndt, doesn't have to stress about future scripts. He can lay the groundwork, point out what's foreshadowing for future installments, and let others take the reigns. Its a good idea, bc you don't overwork one particular writer, and you don't throw someone new into the fire without having any previous experience in the world.
Nov. 20, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST
I'd prefer Lindleof or Orci
by D.Vader
I'd say they've written better stuff than Kinberg, honestly.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
I agree. It's a great idea how they're focused on the
by Brian Hopper
writing of these things, and on hiring writers on all three movies up front. That is really unusual when you think about it... I mean, hiring a writer for a movie that comes out 7 years from now?! But I admire it. It's an auspicious sign that they want the stories to be good, and for the three movies to hang together and be of a piece.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
Yeah, D. Vader, Kinberg's pedigree seems off; but I can't endorse Lindelof or Orci.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
I foresee Kinberg's script being rewritten, revised, re-polished, or rejected. Nothing to worry about at this stage.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST
Since everything the Lucas haters (not fanboys, fanboys love Lucas) wanted, fanboys will be able to say. "You made your bed. Now sleep in it." when these turn out like Harry Potter 5-7.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST
The only thing better for Lucas' image would be to resurrect Kershner and give him a shot at a Lucas-less Star Wars.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
These will be the first Star Wars where Lucas never wrote draft of the script. I hope you guys like what you're gonna get!
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
stereotypical evil archer --- damn straight! :D
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST
For the first time in a long time, I see things working out.
by P. David
They're hiring Kasdan, so these films will be good, and make the OT purists happy. With the OT purists happy, the negative reaction to the Prequels will recede. I'm feeling good. I think I'll go watch Empire.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST
Its the law of screenwriting diminishing returns
by D.Vader
They went from Oscar-winner Michael Arndt... ... to best Star Wars writer Lawrence Kasdan... ... to Simon fucking Kinberg.... OY VEY.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST
If hiring Kinberg means hiring Blomkamp, so be it.
by paladinryan
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
Give me Michael Fassbender as Luke Skywalker. He's practically doing a FORCE PULL on that sub in X-Men: First Class, you know it to be true!
by Darth_Kong
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST
TESB speaks for itself, but jesus that was 32. SW desperately needs some new blood and fresh perspectives. feels like a gimmick sorry to say.
by dahveed1972
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST
Gary Kurtz
by darthvedder81
Just got done reading the excellent "Making of Empire" by JW Rinzler. I suggest all you Kurtz apologists read it as it finally puts to bed the notion that he was some kind of genius. His lack of communication skills and inability to control the budget of ESB nearly destroyed the whole production. In fact he was pretty much taken off the picture 3/4 of the way through filming. Not surprised GL didn't want him back for JEDI.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
What's the next Fanboy dream that needs to come true?
by D.Vader
Thrawn is the main villain? Chewbacca returns with grey hair? (I actually DO want this to happen) Yoda returns as a ghost just as Obi-Wan did? Actually, I can see Hayden Christensen returning as Anakin to guide Luke through his troubled-times. Hell, this might not be such a bad idea. Luke goes into trances to commune with the dead, he gets advice from an older Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan, a dead Yoda, and Hayden as his father... it could actually be a really cool idea, especially if they play up the fact that its harder and harder to reach these Force ghosts as they move further away from their deaths, until Luke can tap into the FULL Force proper... Maybe THAT'S what the rumors mean by Darth Vader returning. Either way, I see IMMENSE possibilities for the future, and I am extremely excited. Except for Simon Kinberg, he still sucks.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
and its time to retire the williams score. something new please.
by dahveed1972
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:29 a.m. CST
I was just reading the supposed Leigh Brackett script...Luke was He-Man!
by Dreamwriter
LUKE (to himself) May the Force be with me. Suddenly the saber is out and blazing, and Luke's face is no longer that of the farmboy from Tattoine (sic). An ancient and powerful wisdom dwells there. The light saber dances, slashes, flickers like lightning. The troopers fire, but they seem bemused dazed and their shots go wild. One By ones and twos they fall. 231 HAN, LANDO, AND GROUP They stare in amazement. HAN What happened to the kid?
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:32 a.m. CST
Lucas has already written the treatment, and with Kasdan writing the script
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
I have a good feeling about this
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST
Kasdan must need a paycheck
by darthvedder81
It's weird to me that he would turn down an offer from GL to do more Star Wars and then agree to an offer from Disney. Not saying he won't do a good job but a healthy part of his motivation might be $$$.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST
I think it's a little early to declare apocalypse over Simon Kinberg. I've seen good work from screenwriters I wrote off. And Mr/Mrs Smith was a large scale fuckarow with many cooks.
by reflecto
He could well do great work here, and we don't even know if in the end he will be THE writer and not rewritten.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:53 a.m. CST
Hayden Christensen?! DV?! That's no dream.
by Deceased Fan
That is my nightmare. I'll just pretend that I didn't read that and go back to sleep...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..... ......starwarzzzzzzzz......force..ghosts....luke..........Luke......I am your father.......Hayden.....Christ..en...sen....no...nooooo......BOOYAH!!!.... wha? What was that? Hurmph...scratch..zzzzzzzzzzzz.
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST
Kasdan is only setting himself up for disappointment
by D.Vader
All you fuckers will crucify him in the next decade, the poor fellow. Just you wait. Save this post for years to come. Its sad, but its true.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST
"Mr and Mrs. Smith was well-written"-- Sorry Quatantine, but that is just wrong
by D.Vader
That movie was very, VERY, poorly written.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:01 a.m. CST
Thank you, Stereotypical Evil Archer
by D.Vader
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
Deceased, don't have a bad dream... have a dream of good fortune
by D.Vader
Regardless of what you think of the prequels, there are some good ideas there. I think Hayden as a ghost could DEFINITELY be handled well enough to be poignant for all the haters of the prequels. Same goes for Jar Jar at that point. Hayden wasn't what was wrong with Anakin/Vader, it was writing and direction.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST
As long as a world class director steps in, it will all be fine.
by Troy McNamara
It's always been clear that Lawrence Kasdan was a better writer than director and the worlds that he knows best are the ones Lucas created. Having Kasdan return to write at least one more Star Wars film is a sign that Disney knows what they're doing. Kasdan did write the best Star Wars film after all. Whether Kinberg is a good choice, it really depends on the director he's working with. If you give his script to someone like Brett Ratner or McG, it'll most likely turn out pretty bad. If you give it to someone like Guy Ritchie, his script will most likely turn out pretty well. There have two out of three excellent choices for writers so far but the key variable is the director.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST
by Deceased Fan
I would rather see Jar Jar as the lead. And wouldn't be completely against Ewan McGregor used in some capacity. Truthfully no matter my feelings of the prequels. Which is actually meh these days. I mean they're here... it's done. However, I am physically disgusted by the alterations of the OT to the point that I don't want to remember seeing Christenden in ROTJ. Give me the Ewok chub chub song and ol' whats his fart white vader and I'll sleep just fine. Btw this is adeceasedfan, just to be clear. If you didn't make the connection.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:32 a.m. CST
Can't believe that someone actually implied that a 63-year old Kasdan is too old...WTF !!!!
by tritium
He is not going to be doing stunts, for pete's sake. I am sure he is sharp as a tack, and probably in better shape than some of the coach potatoes on this site, who are 20-30 years younger. And unless I am mistaken, the great Irvin Kershner (RIP) was 57 when TESB was released. Directing a major motion picture takes a hell of a lot of more energy than sitting behind a computer (or typewriter...if you are old school). Clint fucking Eastwood was 74 years old when he won the Oscar for Best Director of "Million Dollar Baby".
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST
Hey deceased
by D.Vader
I did make the connection. What happened? Did you get banned as ADeceasedFan in some bullshit moment (bc it happens)? Either way, regarding the prequels, I would love to see Ewan continue on as Obi-Wan and give Luke advice, but I can totally see Hayden as Anakin do the same. It just makes sense, honestly.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:46 a.m. CST
by Deceased Fan
No. Personal choice. Trimming the excess fan. ADeceasedFan was a quick second choice when I found Deceased was taken and never really liked it. I just thought about using ellipsis the other day and BOOYAH! Anyhoo...I wonder with Kinberg if we'll get Hayden Christensen and Samuel L force ghosts in a Doug Liman directed Star Wars cuz that could suck. I'm trying to stay positive with Kasdan back in the fold. Who knows? It could turn out great.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST
I have a good feeling about this..
by Gabba-UK
Well my interest has now perked up. I'm still keeping expectations low however. The prequels were a fun distraction but nowhere close to the awesome that was the original trilogy.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:19 a.m. CST
Who in their right mind would say Kasdan is too old? That's so absurd I can't even fathom what prompted you to write it. What does age have to do with anything if your a writer?
by Joey Stars
Lots of elderly folk still retain their mental faculties, not all have lost their marbles. You can be sure as fuck that Ray Bradbury kept busy writing up until the day he died. Maybe Kasdan hasn't got anything produced lately, doesn't mean he hasn't been out of practice. And since when is 63 old?
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:24 a.m. CST
dahveed1972 See, if you get a Remote Control Studios clone or Giacchino, this is gonna go from being timeless Myth to being a fuckin' dated piece of trash.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:28 a.m. CST
OT Lucas haters are not purists in any sense of the word. They are the most shallow, vapid, materialistic, pop-culture eating, auteur despising, focus-group loving, uncreative retards.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST
jeshopk, so you think ep1-3 is timeless myth?
by DidntPullOutInTimeCop
I'm sure you meant timeless meh?
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:32 a.m. CST
Lucas bashers (prequel haters) are like the TV-watching people who went with the crowd on Twin Peaks, then panned David Lynch's later movies for 'not making any sense'.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:35 a.m. CST
Funny how things change in 10 years
by bf skinner
Ten years ago, Peter Jackson was annointed god of geekdom with LOTR, and SW was dead on its feet. Now everyone is sharpening their knives for The Hobbit (which looks like UTTER SHIT) and are super pumped about SW again. Life is good.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST
Hiring Simon Kinberg means they don't actually care, and only hired Kasdan to placate the older fans.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST
didntpulloutintimecop Sorry all you've got to jack off to is Tron 2.0
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:42 a.m. CST
jmoe Spielberg picked all the screenwriters for Indy 4.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:46 a.m. CST
unparanoid_android_reactivated People are saying Hobbit looks bad? Looks exactly the same quality as LOTR. Only goes to show you. Placing things on too high a pedestal clouds judgement..
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:48 a.m. CST
Modern film scoring is as outdated as disco. Williams is still fresher than Hans Zimmer or Giacchino.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:55 a.m. CST
jeshopk, no they aren't, unparanoid_android is making it up
by Dreamwriter
Just because he for some reason is in the "it's super popular so must be horrible" bandwagon, he is trying to make it sound like lots of people are to make his point sound more reasonable.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:59 a.m. CST
Sign John Williams or this thing is dead in the water.
by Purple_Tentacle
It's just not Star Wars without Williams.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST
by kwisatzhaderach
OT Lucas haters are not purists in any sense of the word. They are the most shallow, vapid, materialistic, pop-culture eating, auteur despising, focus-group loving, uncreative retards.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST
by kwisatzhaderach
Meant to add: I agree.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:47 a.m. CST
The Magic of IV and V was that they were true collaborations..
by conspiracy
Star Wars only started having problems as an idea when he George became powerful enough to fire or alienate everyone who helped put him on the throne and had the nerve to disagree and give him alternatives. The best thing about Dis buying Lucas Films is the offing of the brown nosing Boot Lick Rick McCallum. Bring on Kasdan...could it REALLY be any worse than the horse shit of Yippee and Messa Gonna Love You Long Time that George gave us while on his own?
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST
I hope John Williams...
by WeylandYutani
Stays healthy and is able to see the next trilogy through to its conclusion. He is not a young man anymore and will be 82 when and if he decides to score part VII. I am sure they can find someone who can do an adequate fill in, but Williams brought so much to the series, he is irreplaceable.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:30 a.m. CST
by WeylandYutani
Except Hans Zimmer's score for The Thin Red Line, which is a masterpiece.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:31 a.m. CST
I think lucas personally felt creatively stifled at 20th Cent
by emeraldboy
fox. All they were interested was money and merchandise which lucas needed to build up lucasfilm. He handed over Lucasfilm to someone he has known 35 year. and least he can go into his retirement knowing that in his last few years somebody he knows will end his saga and get to make more experimental films. Kathleen Kennedy is very battle hardened and you would need to be working for John Millius. she started out as his PA!
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:03 a.m. CST
This is not really news. They will hired multiple writers to write and re-write drafts of these pieces of shit movies. Just like Frank Darabont was at one time a writer for Indy IV.
by Bobo_Vision
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:04 a.m. CST
Yoda's theme still gives me chills
by Gorgomel
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST
by SminkyPinky
Shut the fuck up. This IS news. This is great news. And if you want to hate this from the outset with little to no knowledge then I suggest you get the fuck out.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST
by SminkyPinky
To be fair, Lucas was only "at" Fox with the first Star Wars and even then I think Alan Ladd Jr pretty much trusted him. After that, Fox only had distribution rights to what were essentially independent films with no entitlement to creative input. Which is ironic as Lucas had no one saying no to him on the later films.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:32 a.m. CST
Possible replacements for John Williams
by Porco Drunko
It's seriously slim pickings, although there are a lot of good composers out there I like the only one who I think might come close to being able to do justice to John Williams star wars scores is John Powell... Big Orchestral whilst still being able to be moving when it needs to be. Seeing him interpret the star wars themes would be interesting. Other than that I got nothing
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:42 a.m. CST
John Powell is far from suitable. If it's to be to the level of Williams, it will have to be someone who didn't enter the film scoring business after the cutoff date that they stopped hiring solo composers. It's almost all ghostwriters for composers that
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:45 a.m. CST
John Powell is far from suitable. If it's to be to the level of Williams, it will have to be someone who didn't enter the film scoring business after the cutoff date that they stopped hiring solo composers...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
...It's almost all ghostwriters for composers that started in the early 90s onward. The studios DEMANDED more control and unlimited drafts (requiring rampant ghosting and sameness) with the advent of MIDI scoring. Elfman has resisted, so he's not corrupted. As for the frontmen who have "teams", it all sounds the same. John Williams has become a classical giant. Hire a classical giant who could never sink so low, not a studio whore/frontman.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST
conspiracy - Call it true collaboration if you will, but George Lucas funded ESB and ROTJ and got his way every time. "I love you" "I know" was not his idea, but it's two words of improv, and he chose to use it. That said, you are really putting down all
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST
...putting down all the collaborators on the Prequels.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:53 a.m. CST
Leigh Brackett's ESB is hilariously awful.
by speed
Holy crap that was bad! I just read it! Star Wars written by a women is even worse than the last three films. Truly awful. Thank the movie gods that Kasdan came in and rewrote the whole thing.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:54 a.m. CST
by dioxholsters_scion
thats weird
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:03 a.m. CST
speed Lucas rewrote Brackett's draft twice before Kasdan brushed it up.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST
Bottom line, Kasdan is a great choice.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:18 a.m. CST
Surely they are all onboard to contribute to the same script.
by Charlie
That's the only way it makes sense at this stage. Have a team of writers. Toy Story to do a lot of the leg work. Kasdan to make sure it's star wars. The other guy to add whatever he does.
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:22 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:25 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:26 a.m. CST
Any chance Kasdan and Kinberg are working together on both VIII and IX
by Quarantine
Reading the release it sounds like they could potentially be working together on both. Maybe Kasdan said he'd feel better working with another writer on both?
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:27 a.m. CST
Kasdan? YES! YES! YESSS!!!!!
by Ricardo
I think he demanded a billion dollars to do it, but YES it's worth it! Now get GARY KURTZ in you FUCKS!
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:30 a.m. CST
Brackett's script is not awful, it's BIZARRE. With all caps.
by Ricardo
It's a sci fi screenplay by a dying woman in the 70s. That's the outcome.
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:32 a.m. CST
Read kinbergs resume, looks like he's a better producer than a writer. Even then he's turned out some stinkers.
by Pigdog
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:33 a.m. CST
Hopefully the duties will be a joint venture.
by Pigdog
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST
jeshopk, you're doing Gods work in these talkbacks, I will buy you a beer at the next Celebration
by JackSlater4
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:13 a.m. CST
by Wyrdy the Gerbil
all three of them are the sum of the script for TESB ...lot of you are saying Brackett had no input to the script that Kasdan wrote but Ive just read her draft and though a lot of the details are very different from the finished script different charactor and place names there's a hell of a lot that is still in the finished script ...ice planet Luke taken by creature ..empire finding the rebels ..battle ..asteroid field ...swamp planet(the person he meets isnt called Yoda buts its charactor) floating city ..fight with Vader ..obviously Kasdan has the greater influence as its his finished script they finally used but its also the product of the prior work done by Brackett and the input from Lucas
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:16 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:25 a.m. CST
Really, the math to this, which explains why it's great news, is quite simple...
by The PimpDragon
Empire Strikes Back + Raiders of the Lost Ark + Silverado = shut up and let the man work. If fanboys can't get excited that Kasdan is involved then the Mayans must be right. Jeebus, folks!
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST
wyrdy You didn't read the ESB scripts Lucas wrote before he hired Kasdan, after Brackett died, right?
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:41 a.m. CST
The fact that Kasdan wrote Empire is big in his favor, but some of his misses were huge misses.
by Wcwlkr
I mean I know we need to get out of this what have you done for me lately mentality, and appreciate a person's whole body of work. But his last bit work hasn't been to exciting.
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:43 a.m. CST
Kasdan is not the golden ticket, Lucas is. If it's Lucas' story, with Kasdan writing, we'll be ok. If it's Kasdan writing some Toy Story 3 guy's story, forget it.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST
Well played, Mayans.
by Joe Cranford
You end the world BEFORE Kasdan can redeem the franchise.
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST
Yes Beaks, we know.. you had an opinion before it was official..
by XX
Didn't we all..
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST
Lucas Can Tell A Great Story. He Can Make A Great Movie. But He Can't Write A Decent Script.
by Buzz Maverik
There's a big difference. After all this cinematic history, it's easy to forget the George Lucas was primarily a visual artist, gifted at graphics and editing, but by all accounts, extremely repressed as a human being. Not a bad guy. A good guy. We all discovered that he had a gift for telling stories, but he's had to rely on real writers to bring his characters to life on the page before he can do anything with them on the screen, as was evidenced by the prequels. I'm not sure where he lost his sense of pacing, though.
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST
Couldn't We Get One of Kasdan's Sons To Do It?
by Buzz Maverik
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:16 a.m. CST
Get Some Kid Straight Out of Film School To Write It
by Buzz Maverik
First professional job. Honestly, there's never going to be the Next Star Wars if people keep making and seeing The New Star Wars. If the 1970s were like the Two Thousand Teens, we'd have never had a Star Wars. We'd have been arguing over who should write the new Rocky Jones Space Ranger.
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:18 a.m. CST
To All the GL-Haters Out There....
by RCC
Will you silly fucks still blame GL if these movies are shit?
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST
jackslater4 No SWs Celebrations for me, but I'll drink to that. I'm a hermit SW fan, which is why I never got caught up in prequel bashing socials. Are any of those slave leia's at comicons and SW celebrations "working girls"?
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
No, just attention whores
by JackSlater4
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
I'm too lazy to read this bitch ass long thread but
by gerry derboven
I did notice some haters on here bemoaning the fact that Kasdan is brought back to write. Ok. Wait a sec. Not more than a year ago, the same hatemongers wrote in this very organ, that George Lucas raped/fucked up/destroyed/assfisted their respective childhoods and that: - Lucas should stand down and hand over the franchise -that they need to get Eps VII, VIII and IX underway -that they need to get the old gang back before everybody dies -that they need to get the old talent (ie Kasdan) back to write -that the new SW movies need to be directed by someone else instead of GL .... so, now -we have the franchise in the capable hands of Kathleen Kennedy -they're making Eps VII, VIII and IX - they're probably bringing most of the old gang back -they got fucking friggin KASDAN to write the middle episode -they're having a new director helming the shoot instead of GL. I put it to you, bunch of assclowns: WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!?!? If Disney releases the OT on blu-ray, unmeddled with, there will probably be some mouthbreather who will moan and bitch that blu ray isn't the right medium and that they need to project the 70mm original print in his virgin basement and that the effects look dated.... Fuck this shit people. You bunch of whiny, ungrateful , spoiled fuckwits. I'm so done with those twiddlefucks. ... phew... glad that i got that off of my chest.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST
this is awesome fucking news
by Stephen
They're leaning toward the old guard when they can. Good sign. and Kasdan will bring that much needed mundane realism to it and make it less music video ADD bullshit than it otherwise would be. I'm back on the excited track. I really hope Lucas is still involved and hasnt just totally given it up for grabs.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:06 a.m. CST
I hope they never release the 80s versions of Star Wars, fuck that shit. They can keep touching up until the day I die
by JackSlater4
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
I don't know, I kinda want to see a Rocky Jones Space Ranger summer tentpole movie now.
by kindofabigdeal
We can get Channing Tatum.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:17 a.m. CST
@buzz maverick Re:Get Some Kid Straight Out of Film School To Write It
by Stephen
I didn't go to USC or anything but I can guarantee you that when I was straight out of film school neither I nor any of my classmates where anywhere near ready to do anything that wasn't cumbersome and done-before or wink-at-the-camera bullshit. You need to write to get good at it. 4 years in college on a student loan or mom and dad's money learning about tungsten-balanced film and 3 act structure doesn't get you there. It's a start, but never something to bet on. Especially when you're betting with 4 billion dollars and the hearts of a legion of fans.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST
Fuck yes!!!!!
by eric haislar
This is exciting news.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST
One single change that would have made the prequels bearable.
by Royston Lodge
Make Obi-Wan unambiguously the central character, like Luke was in the OT. Have the stories unambiguously follow Obi-Wan as he tries, and fails, to train Anakin. (Make Anakin more like the kid from The Omen.) Put Obi-Wan at the centre of Jedi politics instead of Mace Windu. Create tension between Obi-Wan and Yoda as they argue about Anakin's future (Yoda refuses to train him, but Obi-Wan defies the Council and trains him anyway.) Make Obi-Wan more like a general than a knight during the Clone Wars, and have Anakin secretly acting on behalf of the Emperor as a spy. When the Clone Wars turn to shit, the Republic blames General Kenobi for the disaster. Make the whole thing a Shakespearian tragedy about Obi-Wan's misplaced faith in Anakin, and Obi-Wan's arrogance towards the Jedi Council. Give Obi-Wan a love interest (whose pet name for him is Ben), who is murdered by Anakin at some point, resulting in Obi-Wan suffering from a complete nervous breakdown. Basically make the whole series answer one question: Why does this guy become a hermit in the desert eating womp rats and drinking his own piss?
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST
bantuwind, I didn't say there weren't other films in both Kasdan and Lucas filmographies.
by one9deuce
But the absolute BEST IJ and SW are with Kasdan and the absolute WORST are without. And another great Star Wars film by Kasdan would just completely confirm that fact. So no, you don't get an apology. Unless you can make an argument that says KINGDOM OF THE CRYSTAL SKULL is better than RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK. Or ATTACK OF THE CLONES is better than THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. We're all waiting for your brilliant reply that negates what I said.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
Amen space-jesus
by RCC
And these fuckers are still going to blame Lucas if these movies somehow fail to meet their expectations. Newsflash to these chimps: There are legions of young kids that love the prequel trilogy and the Clone Wars show. These sad losers need to play with their Kenner figures and eat a dick straight up.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
And PDB, you keep saying George Lucas is an auteur.
by one9deuce
NO HE ISN'T. He was for THX-1138 and that's it. Which was 40 years ago. Every single other film he has EVER been involved with is a collaboration. Period. You're just flat out wrong, so stop. You're on the internet! You can look this stuff up you know.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:45 a.m. CST
thx ray charle...you're cool :)
by gerry derboven
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST
Royston Lodge - Spot. Fucking. On.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Had Lucas filmed that story, I would not have "divorced" STAR WARS circa AOTC.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:52 a.m. CST
by D.Vader
I didn't even realize you have an ellipses! For a time, AICN wouldn't let you use punctuation, so it was unique that I had a period in my name bc it was so old. Nice work on the ...
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
I want a Star Wars television about Wattos Junk yard.
by kindofabigdeal
He can have a new hat every season. We'll call it Watto you talkin bout?
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
royston lodge excellent points. The same could be said for Anakin
by Stephen
he wasn't clearly the central character either. If you started with him and followed his journey the way we followed Luke instead of making Qui Gon the protagonist in #1 and Anakin the protagonist in #2 and ObiWan the protagonist in #3. Then you'd really see the difference with Anakin embrace darkness versus Luke embracing light. Though given the casting choices, McGregor would have been a much better central character. His acting stood up better under Lucas than Christensen's did. IMO Qui Gon was a completely unnecessary character.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
Watto yew talkin bout Lucas?!(canned laughter)
by UltraTron
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST
About Leigh Brackett...
by SySnootlesIsHot
I'm very surprised to see people on here badmouthing Kasdan and giving all this credit to Leigh Brackett for the greatness of ESB. Her screenplay for the movie was TERRIBLE (look it up, it's really surprisingly bad). She wrote it, it stunk the room up, and George had to go in and basically write the whole thing from scratch before giving it to Kasdan to clean up. Almost nothing that she wrote is in the movie. Lucas just left her name on it because he felt bad. Read the excellent "Making of Empire Strikes Back" by J.W. Rinzler for all the details.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10 a.m. CST
Can We Bring Marsha Lucas and Gary Kurtz Back also? :P
by RCC
Those people apparently are the real reasons for the OT's success. Bring them back will equal success! Sad fucks
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST
You could also go REALLY dark and have...
by Royston Lodge
...Luke and Leia be the result of Anakin raping Obi-Wan's love interest. Ok, that might be taking things a bit too far, but still...
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST
Can we get Lenny Dikestra to do the effects?
by RCC
I also want a man in a suit to portray all of the aliens.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST
Can we use the original lightsaber effects?
by RCC
Lucas messed with the lightsabers in the Prequels. We need the old spice.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
Gillard was forced by Lucas to make the
by RCC
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
Gillard was forced by Lucas to make the Saber Fights Aerobic
by RCC
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
Need more Kendo Style fights
by RCC
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
Get the wachowskis on this for crying out loud. The animae matrix style is a perfect fit for everything Jedi and force related
by UltraTron
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
Bullit lightsaber trails
by UltraTron
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
by Todaysfate
Where's the TV show? Disney needs to put the 50+ plus already written scripts into immediate production, like YESTERDAY.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:24 a.m. CST
Great post Royston!
by Melanie Griffiths Sour Patch
Seriously. I hope you're a writer & put that kind of effort into original material. Great stuff.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST
The only style they need is the one established by George Lucas in '77
by JackSlater4
After 7-9 and on TV they can bring new styles
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST
Why does this make it official? Don't you need a press release from Disney/Lucasfilm?
by GulDucati
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
Fall of Magneto
by GulDucati
is everything the prequels should've been. In 10 minute opening of X-Men First Class, you understand Magneto more than Anakin through all 3 films.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST
Nope, I'm a cubicle monkey.
by Royston Lodge
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
Just please, OH PLEASE...don't get Carrie Fisher into that metal bikini again.
by wcolbert
Think of the children. Oh, the hugemanatee! But seriously now...this is good news. That said, keep in mind that I have bashed Lucas plenty in my day for his prequels...but I think people need to have a little perspective when it comes to Star Wars.... crying out "thank GOD he's gone, he wont ruin these ones!" kind of skims over the fact that everything you know and love today was made possible through his imagination. Expanded by god knows how many novels, comics, games, and the like, sure. But the core of it all came from Lucas. So, you know, try to show a modicum of respect, no? Just a suggestion. In honesty, I am MORE worried about the quality without Lucas behind it - I mean, at least the prequels, cheesy acting and all, Jar Jar included, FELT like they were part of the same universe. Why do I have a feeling that the future installments might just feel more like some generic sci-fi or John Carter than Star Wars? Because they'll be coming from an entirely different mind. Which may be good...or it may be really, really bad. Uwe Boll bad. Michael Bay bad. As much as Lucas screwed with his own franchise, at least the argument could never be made that it wasn't legitimately part of the universe - because it came from the original creator himself. Whenever I've seen a new director's "take" on an established franchise, it has, invariably, turned out to be torture to sit through.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
raycharlecool, yes! KENDO fight! Fuck the fancy shit, lightsabers are BLADES!
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST
A promising step in the right direction....just need a director who knows how to capture moments.
by FleshMachine
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST
How about doing a show called the Real Twilek Wives of Coruscant?
by kindofabigdeal
Nothing screams ratings like head tails and boobies.
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
Kasdan turned down Phantom Menace work because...
by Dan Halen
Lucas ran into him at the airport after teh script had been written and asked him if he wanted to do a once-over on it. He declined.
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
Are Twilek's even allowed on Coruscant?
by Royston Lodge
I thought it became a humans-only kinda place after the Emperor took over.
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST
Kasdan is GREAT news...
by Mikey Wood
Somebody said he hasn't written anything worthwile since the 80's and that's simply not true... While his 80's output was incredible... 1980: The Empire Strikes Back (the BEST Star Wars movie, hands down) 1981: Raiders of the Lost Ark (fuckyeahraiders), Body Heat (noir at its finest) and Continental Divide (which is Belushi's 'Being There') 1983: Return of the Jedi (the THIRD best STAR WARS film), The Big Chill (wonderful, WONDERFUL movie) 1985 Silverado (the best 'love letter to the American Western' so far) 1988: The Accidental Tourist (another magnificent film that, sadly, I haven't seen in a good long while) ...his 90's output was quite good: 1991: Grand Canyon (one of my favorite movies. Wonderful character drama) 1992: The Bodyguard (I'd have to read his script. He didn't direct and I've only seen it one. I didn't hate it but it's been a while) 1994: Wyatt Earp (wildly underrated due to the flashier TOMBSTONE.) 1999: Mumford (another pleasant, small film) It was in the 00's where we seemed to go wrong: 2003: Dreamcatcher (a disaster that he ADMITS was a disaster and turned him off from the movie biz for a while) 2012: Darling Companion (have not seen it BUT I understand it got savaged by critics etc.)
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
Disney just made me excited about SW again. Holy shit. If they can turnt his bitter old fan around, then ... wow. Good news. SW will hopefully be great again! Nice
by Kremzeek
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
Prequels are not offbeat, experimental, idiosyncratic. They're shit.
by Crimson Dynamo
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
Get Jake Kasden to write and we'll have Zooey Derschanel as Leia and John C Reilly as Han Solo...
by openthepodbaydoorshal
which I'd actually like to see.....
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:12 p.m. CST
The best news since the sale of the franchise to Disney....
by The_Credible_Hulk
I now have a glimmer of hope for these films. Hell who am I kidding....I now have a raging hard-on!!!
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:15 p.m. CST
Literally the first good news about this whole "Disney buys SW" stuff
by Ben_Richards_Bomb_Collar
I now have a glimmer of hope that these just won't be a series of "Paint Star Wars by Numbers" movies (which most of the people on here would probably love). I just don't want to see movies where it's "Okay, we need a ground battle here, rescue and escape scene, space battle, lightsaber fight, roll credits."
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:30 p.m. CST
Just be sure to keep Abrams, Orci, and Lindelof FAR from Star Wars!!
by Just_Some_Guy
If they get involved, it will be the end of Star Wars. It would be worse than the Phantom Menace, Ewok Adventure, and the Holiday Special combined!
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST
Does this mean we may see the return of the Ewoks?
by Gary Makin
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST
Kadan worked on E.S.B. so at least these have a chance.
by LORDOFLIGHT
Nov. 21, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Kasdan not Kadan like I wrote.
by LORDOFLIGHT
Silly fucker that I am.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1 p.m. CST
I'll keep saying it though......Star Wars needs to grow up.
by LORDOFLIGHT
and become more sophisticated.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
And let's have Tie Fighters, Star Destroyers and X Wings back.
by LORDOFLIGHT
Maybe slightly more advanced versions but I think these things should be in any future Star Wars flicks.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
And NO Ewoks!
by LORDOFLIGHT
Thank u very much.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
Bringing back Kasdan is the FIRST smart decision they have made. Make him the main writer starting on episode VII
by Proman1984
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST
Why combine Kasdan with anyone else? Kasdan is the best
by Proman1984
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
I'd like E-Wings, Z-95 Headhunters, and the Corporate Sector.
by Royston Lodge
But NO Sun Smashers, Galaxy Guns, or Eclipse Class Star Destroyers. Dark Horse went WAY over-the-top with the escalation of weapon power.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
Star Wars needs to get away from this kiddie cartoon, Lego image.
by LORDOFLIGHT
Star Wars has always been highly commercial but the real rot began with the Ewoks. That' when they started becoming to kiddified and merchandise orientated.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:18 p.m. CST
Shit weasels! Shit weasels for the new SW 'Big Bad'!
by buggerbugger
Man, Chewie's going to have a hell of a time getting them out of his arse-hair...
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
by Bobo_Vision
If people aren't allowed to "hate" news articles about Star Wars because there is a lack of info to hate, by that same token, people can't love said news articles, either. If differing opinions sends you into an apopleptic rage, I would suggest the psychiatrist treating your Asperger's increase your antidepressants and/or mood stabilizers....and given the seriousness with which you regard Star Wars, I would suggest your family doctor adequately treats your diabetes, high cholesterol, amd morbid obesity.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
theres always some asshole acting like its not cool to care about star wars WE ALL KNOW ITS COOL TO CARE ABOUT STAR WARS!
by Stephen
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST
@just_some_guy: Kind of a bit overboard, don't you think?
by Kremzeek
I can't stand the prequels. I can't stand Orci/Kurtz' writing. So, I can see where there's hesitation for their involvement. (Although I think Lindelof and Abrams are just fine, I wouldn't necessarily pick them as my first choice for SW either.) But to say if they got involved the sequels would be worse than the prequels? Please. The prequels could not have been done any worse, imo. Just horrid, pathetic films. Even with my disdain for Orci/Kurtz, they would've done a better job than Lucas. No doubt about it. With the prequels, Lucas should've done what he's doing now: Be the mastermind behind all things SW, but leave the actual films to more talented filmmakers. Glad to see it only took him 15 years to figure that out.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:48 p.m. CST
gulducati the prequels COULD/SHOULD HAVE been
by spike fan
great. The tragic hero and his fall and redemption is a classic archetype. Its really difficult to fuck up though Lucas managed it. From the OT you had talk of the Powerful Jedi that was Anakin Skywalker and his friendship with Obi-Wan. You have Obi-wan talking about discovering him and taking it upon himself to train him as a Jedi. He see's him as such a friend he even sepertates Anakin and Vader as 2 seperate people for gods sake. Even Vader says to Luke "Obi-wan once thought as you do" I would not say about the the same guy who watched me burn to death would you !!!!!!!! The sad fact is Lucas had some good ideas in the prequels. The most obvious being Anakin as a slave. Instead a 10yr old why not an 16-17 really under the lash. Who uses more and more power to liberate other planets opressed by slavery. Which in turn brings about his own arrogance and fall. Hell he doesnt even have Anakin found by Obi-wan. Now Liam Neeson was the best thing about the shite that was TPM but HE DIDNT NEED FUCKING QUI GON that should have been Obi-wan. As for the Jedi the least said about them the better.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:50 p.m. CST
@raycharlecool: Lenny Dykstra won't be doing the effects
by ChuckieD
Cause he is a baseball player. Also, Prequel lightsaber fights are better than "imagining them being awesome", like in the OT
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
Ewoks were ment to be Wookies
by spike fan
But Lucas decided to cut them in half ergo Ewoks. So you have the Legion of the Emperors best troops losing not too 8 foot tall superstrong creatures but small furry teddybears.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
by WeylandYutani
Well said. You win this talkback.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
royston lodge I agree large parts of the EU are shite however
by spike fan
Zahns books and charachters are great. Thrawn a military genuies that you kinda like and is a bit of Sherlock Holmes style charachter was a great Villan. While Mara Jade is a perfect foil/wife for Luke. Besides Luke has gone through loads of shit in his life I dont begrudge him shacking up with a good looking redhead.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
booger, is that sarcasm?
by Bobo_Vision
Or is this bizarro world where a guy named booger arbitrates on what is or is not cool.
Nov. 21, 2012, 1:54 p.m. CST
What will the new films be about? Here where I would take it...
by P. David
Thirty years have passed. The New Republic is going through birthing pains. Ironically, Han Solo is now a diplomat; in the first scene, he is killed through treachery while on a diplomatic mission. Luke has established a new Jedi order; there are scenes with Luke and the younglings, like the scene with Yoda and the younglings in AOTC. We learn that the "midichorian theory" has been disproved. Despite Leia's warnings, Luke is obsessed with poring through Sith teachings and writings, in an effort to understand his father. Some of the teachings get out, and spread like a virus through the new community of Jedi knights. The fledgling New Republic beings to fall apart from the inside. As the president of the New Republic, Leia starts to become distant and isolated; dangerous parallels with Palpatine occur. Oh—and R2-D2 and C-3OP have matured somewhat, and are activists for droids' rights.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:01 p.m. CST
bobo I DONT KNOW YOU TELL ME BRO
by Stephen
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST
Leia's kid seduced by the dark side by a red ghost named Sidious. BOOM $2 billion
by JackSlater4
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST
The prequel Saber fights all had shit endings
by spike fan
TPM:Maul just stands and stares as Obi-wan jumps over him slicing. Attack of the Clones: Yoda bouncing around like a green pingpong ball seconds later lets Chris Lee walk off to his ship. Revenge of the Sith: Instead of just jumping a bit lower on the hill Anakin decides instead to whine before stu[idly jumping over Obi-wan. Who despite declaring that he loves the guy like a brother does not finish him off and instead lets him burn to death instead. Will not even talking about the shite that was Emperor/Yoda duel andthat ending.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST
lordoflight if you wactched the Clone Wars then you'd know Star wars isn't kiddie
by ganymede3010
In-fact, it's Darker than all of the movies combined and then some. You really have some some sad and tragic deaths on that show. Plus, lots of people get executed. IMO it's way to Dark for it's alleged intended audience.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST
ganymede3010 I agree with you
by spike fan
Despite only being a cartoon its good fun and much more enjoyable than the Prequel films while having some dark themes.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:19 p.m. CST
by Vicconius
So happy!
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
What a great couple of weeks on good ole aint it coool...
by Dan Halen
I've been a reader since August 1996, my freshman year at college and first time on the internet. Star Wars will always be the fanboy's true love. The Hobbit's coming out next month? Yawn.... bring more Star Wars rumors. Looking forward to six years of new stories and rumors and a balancing of the force!
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:31 p.m. CST
Kasdan = the death of Han Solo.
by paladinryan
Both he and Ford wanted to kill off the character in ROTJ.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
ganymede3010 The whole point of Star Wars is exposing children to things like that. That's why Disney better not fluff it up...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
...Genocide, torture, murder, attrocities, dismemberment, executions are all integral to moral war stories for children. Take it out, and it will corrupt children.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST
by P. David
I have such a fond attachment to the OT. The OT is the only cinematic work that I don't analyze while I watch it. The OT just IS. I think that I speak for a lot of people in that respect. After sixteen years, people had a certain set of expectations about the Prequels, and Lucas defied them all. The Prequels turn the original films upside-down, and enter meta-territory. If I allow myself to look at the OT objectively, I discover that most of the acting is terrible, and most of the dialogue stilted. I discover that most of the aliens are guys in fake-looking rubber masks. In the PT, most of the acting is unenthusiastic, most of the dialogue stilted. And most of the aliens are CGI creations that don't quite look like they exist in the same reality as the flesh-and-blood actors. The good and the bad in the two trilogies balance out. Lucas had total control over the Prequels. He made them exactly the way he wanted them to be. And he created something wonderful and wholly unprecedented. I hope he realizes how many fans he still has.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
Re ''Obi-wan once thought as you do'', it was clear in Sith he still had hope (desperately repeating ''UNTIL NOW'')...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
...but let duty overtake forgivess. CLASSIC plot point, and shows why Lucas is the MASTER of telling this story.
Nov. 21, 2012, 2:54 p.m. CST
what i dont get is why lucas had to sell out to make this happen
by Stephen
why not just keep lucasfilm and hire these people?
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:03 p.m. CST
So, no Rick McCallum?
by FlyingToupee
This is fucking grim.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
If midichlorians are organisms could they be cloned?
by JackSlater4
Could Sith be grown, or people altered to be turned into sith? Could Jedis juice up to become more powerful?
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
spike fan: I did NOT write that large parts of the EU are shite.
by Royston Lodge
I like the EU. All I wrote was that Dark Horse went overboard with the superweapons.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
Large parts of the EU are shit
by JackSlater4
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:24 p.m. CST
No flyingtoupee its good news
by spike fan
RC was a talentless yes man who sucked up to Lucas and told him what he wanted to hear. Don't believe me watch the TPM docu. Theres a bit where all the sets and props are damaged and Ricks agreeing that its awful. Suddenly when Lucas comes along and says how great it is he starts saying yeah its great. I wonder if the Prequels and Redtails might have been improved if he had not been Lucas number 2.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
I know you didnt say that royston lodge I did
by spike fan
Zahns books aside there are huge parts which are flat out terrible (Anything by Kevin J Anderson) or simply boring (NJO!). Some books are so bad that Both Zahn in his book Vision of the Future and another author Michael Stackpole in his book IJedi are actually making fun off other authors works and the dodgy writing.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
Your joking right jeshopk
by spike fan
How the hell would Vader interperet "until now" that as Obi-wan wanting to save him (after seeing Anakin choke his pregnant wife why would he anyway) and say it to Luke no less.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:39 p.m. CST
So what's everyone going to do to prepare for new star wars
by Pipple
I'm going to get jacked, mang. And I'm going to bring my force fx lightsaber to the theater. And I'm going to try to bring me a big tittied white girl if I can find one. If any bitch in here is interested, holla at a nigga.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:44 p.m. CST
Good question pipple
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
I will be tracking down some LSD..or maybe some mushrooms. Ketamine might do the trick as well. Had some for TPM and dat podrace was INSANE.
Nov. 21, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST
The one great director for this that hasn't really been mentioned...
by Zandunga
...is Robert Zemeckis. Think about it - he's Spielberg's protege, has worked with Kennedy, etc. He knows the style. And before he went crazy doing awful mo-cap films like Polar Express & Beowulf, he was a fantastic genre director. Plus, he knows how to write and tell stories. He understands narrative. With directors like Jackson, Nolan, Bird, and Whedon ruled out, I think Zemeckis is one of the best choices out there.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4 p.m. CST
Let's hope these writers have more taste than Lucas who.......
by Avon
......ran out of it sometime around 1981 after Raiders......
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:05 p.m. CST
Lucas has finally listened to the fans, thank you.
by SlickyVonBoner
He's stepping down and letting other people write and direct.. so far the people has has picked are pleasing most of the fans. Thanks, George.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
by one9deuce
Your theory that time and additional Star Wars films will make the Prequel Trilogy actually seem good and more integrated into the Saga is...... totally wrong. Sorry, but it will actually do the opposite. There are two things working against that idea: 1) Disney knows that the Prequel Trilogy is shit. But the Prequels are shit that made a shit-ton of money. Disney knows if they actually make good Star Wars films that it's a license to print money. They saw the Sci-Fantasy AVATAR make almost 3 BILLION dollars. And as interesting as AVATAR was, it is no STAR WARS. Piss-poor Star Wars movies make a ton of money. A new and great Star Wars film? Wow. So they will put a lot of effort into doing this right, which means adventure films more like the Original Trilogy. Which means I, II, and III will be followed by six films that are far, far better. It will just make the Prequels look that much worse. 2) Again, AVATAR figures into this. Why? Money. It's show BUSINESS. The Prequel Trilogy FX look like shit now. ILM was still in the very beginnings of doing CGI on such a big scale, and worse, George is a penny pincher. The not exactly fiscally conservative James Cameron did what George Lucas couldn't, AVATAR made the final leap into photo-real CGI. Which means that the effects for the Sequel Trilogy will be photo-real. Like the effects for the Original Trilogy are. Yoda looks like he actually exists in the Original Trilogy, because he DID actually exist. Mark Hamill and Irvin Kershner would catch themselves talking to Yoda instead of Frank Oz because Yoda was so realistic. He looks like a cartoon in AOTC and ROTS. The Stormtroopers in the Original Trilogy looked real because they were real. The Clonetroopers in AOTC and ROTS look like cartoons. Jabba the Hutt in RETURN OF THE JEDI? Convincing. Jabba the Hutt in THE PHANTOM MENACE? Cartoon. You get the idea. And the photography will be infinitely better in the Sequel Trilogy also. Most of the Prequel Trilogy looks like it was shot in front of blue and green screens because it was mostly shot in front of blue and green screens. And it doesn't look convincing. At all. The Sequel Trilogy won't look like that because filmmakers have learned how to make it convincing now. So the three films in the Sequel Trilogy will look like the three films in the Original Trilogy, and the Prequel Trilogy (AOTC AND ROTS at least) will still look like they were shot on the primitive HD cameras from a decade ago. Cameras with the same resolution as the iPhone I'm typing on now.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
pdb I mean.
by one9deuce
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:14 p.m. CST
spike_fan ''You have allowed this Dark Lord to twist your mind until now . . . until now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.'' Pretty clear.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST
The prequels are going to become the new OT when these things are released. I've watched it all happen. OT did not enjoy critical consensus among children or adults in the 80s.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST
After ep.12, reboot the fucking prequels!
by bf skinner
The only returning actor they need is Ewan McGregor who will be only fifty-something and can play Obi Wan again (much like Judi Dench played M for the Craig films). Get some badass Vin Diesal type actor as Anakin, someone who looks like he can actually fit into Vader's suit (not like girly metrosexual Gayden). Give Anakin a best friend who is a better Jedi than he is (and is winning the heart of Amidala), who he murders out of jealousy. Make it into a fucking Shakespearian tragedy. Lucas is gone, make the prequels properly awesome!
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
slickyvonboner If these movies suck, you will still blame Lucas. Nothing will ever be good enough for you fake fans who wanted Lucas off Star Wars.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:32 p.m. CST
Thank you Jesus!!! There is a God!!!! Welcome back Kasdan
by Professor_Bedlam
Kasdan would have made the prequels a 1000 times better if he was the one aloud to write them!!! Smart move Disney!!!!!
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST
actually apparently Brackett's ideas were kept in the final draft
by simpledao4
Go and read the script-
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
If you yelled at Lucas to give up Star Wars, you are not a Star Wars fan. You are a consumer, a critic, and and a destroyer of art.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
or at least some of them-
by simpledao4
the Yoda creature (called Minch), the ice world, The Wampa, Han/Leia romance, etc.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:36 p.m. CST
simpledao4 All the ESB scripts are story by Lucas, so of course there are some things still in there.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST
by P. David
The effects in the OT are not photo realistic. Not even close. The shot of the Blockade Runner getting sucked into the Imperial ship is cool, but looks fake. Of course Yoda in Empire is a masterpiece, and they should have kept the puppet—and Frank Oz—for the entire PT. But most of the creatures in the PT look exactly like people in rubber masks. They look totally fake. There is a trade-off with CGI. Practical effects aren't as realistic, but they look tangible. CGI is lifelike, but ephemeral. As far as the future reputation of the Prequels... people waited for these moves for a decade and a half. The reaction to the Prequels was shaped by sixteen years worth of expectations. I'm not putting down the people who don't like the Prequels... I honestly wonder if ANY film could live up to that kid of buildup. I introduced my nephews to Star Wars when they were very young, and I guarantee that they weren't attracted to the PT simply because of all the bells and whistles. The looks on thier faces during the climax of ROTS were the same as the look on my face when I first found out that Vader was Luke's father. They did not see the saga as two separate entities, filmed years apart.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST
Auteurism is a necessary ingredient for a legendary film. 1-6 are all legendary auteur visions. Yes, there was help, but they are notably absent studio interference for big special effects films.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST
Also, one9deuce...
by P. David
I used to work in retail. I sold countless Star Wars books, toys, and DVD's to countless young children. I would ask them about Star Wars, and believe me, these kids were INTO these movies. They were not attracted by the bells and whistles; they loved the story and the characters. When I asked them which episode was thier favorite, they would usually say "Phantom Menace." I'm sorry, but the PT's bad press is largely due to older cynics, and will fade once people can enjoy the Prequels without thinking about that long, sixteen-year wait.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST
I totally agree pdb
by Elevator Killer
All 6 films are amazing together and I WISH I could have seen the prequel trilogy not knowing about Vader.. holy shit! LOL I am a old school fan, I'm 39 years old, I still remember going to see Empire and Jedi in the the theaters in 80 and 83. I loved the toys I had the VHS and even the Laserdiscs! However, I didn't hate the prequels, in fact Ep III is my favorite of the 6. Sure Ep 1 is probably the weakest of the 6 films, but its still a good film. I wasn't disappointed with it. They ALL have flaws, but its an amazing series and over the last 10 years they really have become ONE thing to me, and i look forward to this new trilogy.
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:49 p.m. CST
jackslater4 is correct. If there is slow/regular motion ramping, this is not saga.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST
In my earlier post, I meant of course that the aliens in the ORIGINAL trilogy look like people in rubber masks...
by P. David
Thought I'd clear that up.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST
It's just starting to sink in: WE'RE GETTING MORE STAR WARS!
by P. David
It's like Haloween and Christmas rolled into one.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
Yes, but....
by George C. Scott
The world has just changed so radically, and we're all running to catch up. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but look... Kasdan and Star Wars, two cinematic powerhouses separated by 30 years have just been suddenly thrown back into the mix together. How can we possibly have the slightest idea what to expect?
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
jesphopk- a lot of the ideas were fleshed out in person by Lucas and Brackett- plus....
by simpledao4
A lot of the scenes just seem so similar to what we saw.......
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
Fucks are still given about star wars?
by brobdingnag
huh....well good for Star Wars.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:55 p.m. CST
A question for someone in the know...
by P. David
Has an authenticated copy of Brackett's draft ever gotten out? I hope that Lucas is telling the truth about her contribution. Ripping off her work would have been pretty bad; crediting her, and then saying that she was only credited because she died of cancer, is a whole lot worse. I don't want to believe that Lucas treated this poor woman so shabbily.
Nov. 21, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
by one9deuce
You're forgetting something. For every dodgy effect or someone in a rubber mask in the Original Trilogy it looks unconvincing for a few seconds. In the Prequel Trilogy there are entire shots and even some complete scenes that look totally unconvincing for several minutes. gcsgroin, great post.
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST
Re: pdb
by ArmageddonProductions
Brackett wrote about half of the EMPIRE script before she died; Kasdan, who was already working on RAIDERS, finished her draft and did the revisions. If you think it was all Kasdan, go back and watch RETURN OF THE JEDI (which was Kasdan writing a STAR WARS movie solo) again, and you'll see there's quite a difference in writing quality happening.
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
one9deuce... I agree with you about the lengths of the SFX shots in the OT. ..
by P. David
It makes some of the creakier illusions less noticeable. But you can't tell me that walrus face doesn't look absolutely terrible. Would you honestly trade that rubber mask for the technology that brought Jar Jar Binks to life? My feeling about the PT is that the sheer epic scope would not have been possible without CGI, and I wouldn't trade the visual imagination for better effects.
Nov. 21, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
Sorry about the double negative in the last post. I just mean that walrus face looks embarrassingly bad.
by P. David
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST
Brackett, Lucas, Kasdan and the future.
by Sithtastic
First things first. Whereas I realize Kasdan's career lately may not prove up to snuff, that might be because the bar is so insanely high. Look at what this guy was able to write. That said, while I am totally sold on Kasdan returning to the Star Wars universe, I am less than thirlled about Simon Kinberg. Who knows? It might be a lot of anxiety for nothing. As for Liegh Brackett, what's been said by the majority of the fans here is largely true. Here script, while containing the elements of Empire, such as wampas, the asteroid field, a yoda character, and a larger sense of romance, does simply not live up to Kasdan's final product. The voice of the characters are all wrong, the beats and pacing are as well. Also not present in the Brackett draft are Lucas's tweaks, so give credit where credit is due. The franchise has a bright future in terms of writing. All they need to do is bring in some quality directors, let Lucas's people do what they can with the special effects and try really hard not to suck the life out of things by bringing back some organic feel to Star Wars like say outdoor shooting or (Force forbid) on locations that do not require a green screen? That alone should make the new triology a better product.
Nov. 21, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
Yes, bring back location shooting
by Flexfill
Hell, even this Banthapug video on Youtube was more exciting than the prequels... they shot it on location! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjighCDPt-k
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST
OT did not enjoy critical consensus among children or adults in the 80s
by sapno_krei
@jeshopk This is the most ridiculous thing I've read in a talk back in a long time. Everyone LOVED the OT in the 80s. This whole "the prequels are not bad, the originals were hated too" nonsense is self-brainwashing at its worst. That said, among the 3 prequels, only Episode III, IMHO, is worth watching along with 4 - 6. But only just.
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST
sapno_krei You may forget in the 80s, there were what we'd call "cliques" not this "we're all in this together" BS forced on children since Columbine.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST
In the 80s, most kids called Darth Vader "Dark Vader" and lightsabers "life savers". You were a GEEK and a NERD if you corrected people.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST
New York Times and other rags panned Empire Strikes Back in 1980. Review here...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:17 p.m. CST
And in the 80s, GEEK and NERD were used as insults, not compliments. Now, people like Katy Perry will call themselves Geek and a Nerd just for making a swatch watch reference.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
jeshopk.... I'm sorry, but I can't let this one slide
by P. David
There were a number of elitists in the media who looked down on the OT, but I was there in the 1980's, and Star Wars was not a cult thing like Star Trek. It was insanely popular. I stand by my defense of the prequels, but they did not have the impact of the OT—not by a long shot. What movies could? ANH changed the entire movie industry forever.
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
I'm not saying it was as cult as Trek, but mainy, people went for the leap in tech and adults weren't going around saying they were the greatest movies around. Sports kids were into sports. Star Wars kids were into Star Wars. Like Avatar, almost everybody
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
If BRIAN HENSON and JOSS WHEDON teamed up to direct this I would be into it. And get the guys who did the FARSCAPE animatronics
by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch
The Jim Henson Creature Shop
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:40 p.m. CST
Like Avatar, almost everybody saw it and knew what it was, but it was not even nearly universally beloved.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
Oh, and Trek was pretty damn big in the 80s too if you remember. That wasn't really cult either. You had your fans and casual movie goers.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
I feel like putting in my Prequel blu-rays right now
by D.Vader
Nov. 21, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
Remember The Voyage Home? That was the best one in the film series with the original cast.....
by P. David
But then, I was never a big Star Trek fan. To me, the last one, the J.J. Abrams reboot, was more entertaining than the entire rest of the franchise put together. If J.J. Abrams had been interested in Episode 7, I would have totally gone for it.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
Tomatometer(1977-1983) Star Wars(79%), The Empire Strikes Back(52%), Return of the Jedi(31%)...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/originaltrilogyreception1.html I remember being roundly mocked by armies of little Plinkett peers for being a Star Wars fan.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:03 p.m. CST
Kevin Smith knows. He "gave it [Star Wars] up for pussy" in the mid to late 80s. It was not cool, at all.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST
I saw Voyage Home in the theatre with my dad and brother. I loved it! It was sort of the first one to win over a wider demographic, playing with the iconic characters.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
jeshopk, it's not too late for you
by Bobo_Vision
You too can know what a vagina feels like before you die.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
D.Vader DON'T DO IT!
by Deceased Fan
A kitten will die.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST
There's always a bigger kitten.
by iamnotspartacus
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:40 p.m. CST
Kasdan is a smokescreen to keep your eyes off Kinberg...
by TopHat
Kinberg. Vintage bullshit Disney. Don't get your hopes up, folks.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:44 p.m. CST
bobo_vision My life is very simple. I work, I play, I fuck, I eat, and I go on messageboard binges whenever society loses its mind.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:47 p.m. CST
Ok that's cool, jeshopk
by Bobo_Vision
We're all allowed to have an interest we're passionate about that everyone else finds weird. I like sugar granny porn.
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
Don't forget how much Irvin Kershner contributed to Empire..Kasdan yes gave us Raiders but also gave us Return under Lucas..but apart from Star Wars..the ones with most George have been the worst..so less George and more Kasdan right direction!
by Mr95
Nov. 21, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
bobo_vision That's funny because...
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
...my initial response was going to involve a link to granny porn. I'm serious! Some wierd psychic shit goin on there.
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:11 p.m. CST
re PT
by Miyamoto_Musashi
Great comments, and views. I would also agree with others though for long time Star Wars fans there was no possibility of TPM exceeding expectations. For many of us we already had created the back story in our heads, we had 15-16 years to do that as well. No means is this an excuse for what we got, others have already pointed out what went wrong, and pointed out some real improvements that could make a difference. And in saying all that I really enjoyed ROTS, and TPM and AOTC had its moments too. For me I just hope to see the lessons learnt in the sequel trilogy. The heart of the PT was about the rise and fall of Anakin (though in many people's opinion not well executed) , the OT was about the rise of Luke (subplot - redemption of Anakin). ST - The rise of ???? (subplot -fall of Luke) ?? ?
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
by one9deuce
Yes, I'm telling you I prefer the latex mask Walrus Man to the CGI that created Jar Jar Binks. Walrus Man might not look like an actual alien, but he does look scary and intimidating like he's supposed to. And I never doubt for even one tenth of a second that he is standing there in the Cantina. There is a shot in ATTACK OF THE CLONES of Yoda and some Clonetroopers in a ship that looks like a video game cut scene. But the CGI in the Sequel Trilogy will be pretty much perfect. Leaps and bounds better than the Prequel Trilogy. It might have taken them almost 40 years, but ILM will be able to create some kind of Trooper in the Sequel Trilogy that is completely CGI that will look as convincing as the Stormtroopers from the Original Trilogy. Which is not good for the Prequel Trilogy. Original Trilogy = convincing practical Prequel Trilogy = unconvincing CGI Sequel Trilogy = convincing practical and convincing CGI
Nov. 21, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
one9deuce Hulk looks fake in Avengers, and I didn't know the clones were CG when I saw AOTC. It was actually more obvious in Kashyyk and Utapau battles in Sith.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST
by one9deuce
I think the Clonetroopers looked pretty good, but not good enough to suspend my disbelief. And you might be right, there are some really atrocious Clonetrooper FX shots in ROTS. What I'm saying about the Sequel Trilogy is that they'll (if they're smart) mix practical costumes and FX with modern CGI so that its completely and totally convincing. There was no good reason to not have actual actors in actual Clonetrooper uniforms in AOTC and ROTS. And the movies were just that much less convincing because of that baffling decision.
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:49 p.m. CST
@zandunga, you must have just joined in - Zemeckis's name has been all over these talkbacks
by kevred
There have been many vocal ayes and nays in regard to his involvement. Personally, I like the idea of an experienced filmmaker with an 80s-genre-film pedigree. Those guys really could tell stories in engaging and fun ways that were the complete opposite of the sheer woodenness of the prequels.
Nov. 21, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST
A couple strident prequel defenders here, but they're wrong - the prequels were utter garbage.
by kevred
Just because a lot of kids liked them at the time didn't make them special. Kids like a lot of awful things these days. The prequels had about 1% of the deep cultural impact of the OT, and absolutely none whatever of the genre-defining influence of the OT. They were big commercial hits that left no mark whatsoever on the culture at large. In that sense, they are not even in the same category of filmmaking as the OT. As for the absurd argument made above that the OT didn't enjoy consensus among kids - hogwash. The OT produced the most genuine, pervasive excitement among a generation of kids ever. And the critical differences were about substantive issues - you had a redefining new type of filmmaking emerging from the greatest period of mature, complex movie storytelling in history - the 70s - and just as with modern art, you had critics arguing over some pretty fundamental ideas about what a "good" film is. The prequels produced nothing of substance or lasting value. How many Mace Windu or Battle Droid costumes did we see this past Halloween? The prequels were simply bad films. The entire reason this sequel news is creating excitement is the decades-long impact of the OT, and everyone knows it.
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST
kevred I don't care what kids thought. I loved the prequels. They are a gift to anybody who truly loves Star Wars 4-6..
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
Cultural impact reeeally doesn't matter.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST
kevred... your a moron of coarse the prequels impact the world like the OT...
by Elevator Killer
... but it doesn't mean they are bad.. or GOOD for that matter. It certainly doesn't make it 'utter garbage' that's simply the opinion of a angry fanboy who wants to be 10 years old again. In the grand scheme of things the prequels are just more of the same... even if they were better films than the originals with Oscar winning performances and the best modern director of the 90s, they still wouldn't have done what Star Wars did to our culture. It just would have been a great movie that made a shitload of money. NOTHING in films since STAR WARS has had the cultural impact and change Star Wars had... it changed so many things I couldn't list it here. Nothing may do that again. To say the prequels failed because they didn't do that just makes you look stupid.
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:55 a.m. CST
didn't impact
by Elevator Killer
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST
Kevred, your argument doesn't hold a lot of water
by D.Vader
And I say that as someone who respects your opinion. I just don't agree with it. I think a lot of it is flawed to begin with, and that isn't your fault. As an example, you can't cite the lack of "Mace Windu" costumes compared to the presence of Luke Skywalker costumes on Halloween 35 years ago as an example of what movie was more culturally relevant (even though we all know its SW:ANH). Luke didn't have much competition back then. Also, Luke was the hero. Mace is a side-character. And Mace's outfit looks like EVERYONE else's and only really works if you're a bald, black man like the character to begin with (or if you were lucky enough to snag a purple light-saber prop). Just saying, he's not the best character to use for your comparative example.
Nov. 22, 2012, 1 a.m. CST
Points to iamnotspartacus
by D.Vader
For his "bigger fish" reference. Nice.
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST
I'll side with you kevred. I understand what you're trying to say.
by one9deuce
The reality is that no movie can ever have the impact that the original STAR WARS had. It was the perfect movie at the perfect time. But the Prequel Trilogy's impact wasn't nearly what it SHOULD have been. It should have had an impact on pop culture that was bigger than the films that came out in the same time period. But it didn't. THE LORD OF THE RINGS, HARRY POTTER, and THE MATRIX films all had an impact equal to or even slightly bigger than the Prequel Trilogy. And it shouldn't have been that way. If George Lucas would have actually made a new trilogy that was as good as the Original Trilogy, it WOULD have had the biggest recent impact on pop culture. And we're about to find out if what I'm saying is true. If Disney and Lucasfilm can create a really great Sequel Trilogy, it's going to be huge. FUCKING HUGE! And they know it.
Nov. 22, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST
Remember in E.T.
by ryderdvs
during the Halloween scene, E.T. sees someone dressed as Yoda, and begins chasing him, saying "Home! Home! Home!", Williams segues from the E.T. Halloween theme to Yoda's theme.
Nov. 22, 2012, 5:50 a.m. CST
Star Wars needs a remake!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by IKilledSuperman
Justin Bieber as Luke! Schwarzenegger as Vader and the blond Starbuck chick from Galactica as Hanna Solo! She could have a gay relationship with Leia. And C3PO and R2D2 have to be full CGI!
Nov. 22, 2012, 6:20 a.m. CST
The cultural impact of something that was considered innovative in the late '70s can't re replicated. However...
by Quarantine
What happened in 77 will never be replicated because George innovated on the following levels in ways few had experienced before: - post-modern, lived-in designs and a future that was actually the past in a galaxy far, far away - took visual FX to new levels. 2001 set it up. ILm pushed it even further. - He brought an academic influence to the masses (Joseph Campbell). This is also why the Matrix first movie worked so well (it, in lesser ways, did many of these same things including bringing some basic philosophical questions to the table in the middle of a blockbuster. - He merged sci-fi with fantasy and samurai ideals. - He had arguably the greatest film composer in cinematic history in his prime. It will be hard for any movie to ever seem as fresh or as creative or as exhilarating as Star Wars would have been to people back then because it was new and inventive to people unfamiliar with his influences across the boar and he took it very seriously. There wasn't anynt any genre competition anywhere near SW back then. The goal shouldn't be to aim to replicate the cultural significance of back then because that's a goal that can't be obtained. What they should be aiming for is simply to tell some terrific, complex mythological sci-fi/fantasy stories that are so good on paper that they'd almost stand up without the Star Wars brand or its characters behind it. If they do that and they're directed we'll we'll get awesome films with lots of repeat value. The prequel scripts just weren't great. It wasn't the CG to blame for everything. If these are then people will be watching them 10-20 years from now CG and all.
Kasdan on board...I'm all for it. ESB was the best of the bunch...ANYTHING you can to to stay as close to it as you can is a good thing.
Nov. 22, 2012, 10:07 a.m. CST
@theumpirestrokesbach One phrase and your a raving hater...
by oogiboogi
Really... get outta the basement man... if one comment I made was showing a bit of my own misunderstanding of the article sends you into that much rage... you needs some fresh air.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
I thought Lucas would die and this MIGHT happen
by Kevin Van Natter
This is crazy. Just the fact that they went to someone who has openly criticized George Lucas' idea of what Star Wars was and should be to help with the new trilogy is an unbelievable turn of events. It's like the prequels were just some bad dream. And it sucks they ruined the chance at telling the story of Anakin Skywalker and the Clone Wars, but this is so fucking out there. I would assume the only way Kasdan would associate with Star Wars again is if he told Disney, "Look, I put my heart into it and if I come back, I don't want to go through the same shit all over."
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
Calling the prequels utter garbage doesn't make you a moron. It just means you watched them.
by Kevin Van Natter
Anyone who sits there and says the prequels were "more of the same" and "not good or bad" would actually be a moron because clearly they can't watch something and form an opinion. How do you watch the original movies, then watch the prequels and not form an opinion one way or the other. They are clearly two different sets of movies. I could try to understand if someone is a fan of the new Star Wars movies, especially if they are little kids (anyone younger than 21). But really, those movies are complete shit. I tried to lie to myself and pick out moments that I thought were reflective of a good movie, but it was all for nothing. If you get mad at someone for hating the prequels, that's just weird. You can like them, but to get angry at someone who thinks they crap-- there clearly is some sort of Gaza strip sized gap that isn't going to be bridged there. It's scary for me to think someone is so passionate about the new movies, but I'm okay with it because I'm not a fucking weirdo with too much time on my hands and so I don't get upset when people think differently.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
They are a gift to anybody who truly loves Star Wars 4-6.
by Kevin Van Natter
Uh. I don't think you can profess to know who loves Star Wars 4-6 and who doesn't. I grew up with those movies. They're really important to me. In fact, they're not important. They're somewhere beyond important. I don't have to think about them on a daily basis because they're part of my personality and they've shaped things I like and why I like things. They're part of who I am. But if you really need to say I'm not someone who "truly loves Star Wars" because I thought the prequels were fucking shit, then I'm okay with that. I wouldn't want to be somebody who goes around policing who is allowed to love something. That'd be a hard job. So I'll make your life easier. You're right, I don't love Star Wars. And I'm not going to be that pathetic middle aged guy who picks fights with little kids over which films were better. Don't let it upset you that so many people don't count the prequels. That's just a personal thing. They count. There is this thing called canon. The prequels are in the canon. And yet, I find it so easy to not watch them and pretend they don't exist. Cry about it.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:21 a.m. CST
Who didn't see Phantom Menace in the theater and leave with a weird feeling?
by Kevin Van Natter
I remember how we all convinced ourselves it was good, but I knew. When I went back and saw it again, I picked things I liked about it. But that third time, I knew it was a movie for babies. I felt like that kid in Back to the Future II when he sees Marty play Hogan's Alley or whatever the game was and he's like, "That's a baby's toy." That's exactly how I felt after episode one really sunk in.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST
Despite the Socialist Muslim being re-elected, at last, some good news.
by Dan
There is no evidence that anyone hates the prequelsexcept those bitter babies still screaming 15 years in, mostly on messageboards or the cockmasters who frequent Chud.com....get the fuck over it... They are not hated as you want them to be in order to validate your missplaced nerd rage. Brackett- look this up, She didn't contribute anything, she died before it was done deal.... Kasdan- awesome! I wonder what changed his mind... I don't think he has any animositiy or whatever towards Lucas considering he helped get him his first Directing job for "Boby Heat." Midichlorians DID NOT define the Force. It's merely MESSENGER OF IT.... KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. Watch how the two trilogies defines them... the Jedis use as a biological given, a tool....which is why it was easilly manipulated.... Ben/Yoda strip it from his biological confines and play up the reverence, to instill fear and caution. duh.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
Since I like the prequels, I think Lord of the Rings is utter shit...
by Dan
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
by Dan
NO ONE talks about the Matrix, most of the nerds here hate it... Bored of the Rings is only mentioned still becuase of the upcoming flick, otherwise, no... and Harry Potter is surprisingly exitinct now... NO ONE is talking about any of these, yet Star Wars is still around....I like it.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
I saw severa Darth Maul and Clone troopers for Halloween...
by Dan
no matrix, no harry potter, no faggot Hobbits...
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST
If you think the effects in PT now look bad, get new eyes, you are blind....
by Dan
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
Many of the Same Flaws in the PT are in the OT Morons
by RCC
The fact that you cant see that immediately see that the acting is shit is all 6 movies is utterly laughable.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
zodlovesmaude: You Got to Admit the lightsabers were better in the OT? Right? Right?! :P
by RCC
This is the sort of stupidity that we are dealing with with the anti-GL clan. They want to have jedis fight like geriatric kendo practitioners, just so they can hate some more on GL.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
And Still These Chimps Will Blame Lucas if the New Trilogy Sucks
by RCC
It won't be Disney, the Director, the writers, the producers. It will be Lucas.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Stating the obvious I know, but this is the smartest move they could have made (would have preferred Kazdan only to write) but god what a massive step in the right direction
by KillaKane
A New Hope (ghost writer) and Empire are the the best of the series imo; Disney should pull in a major talent to helm with Kasdan onboard.
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST
by P. David
First, happy Thanksgiving. Second, let me say that I admire your integrity. But if I were George Lucas, I would feel like banging my head against a wall. Let me pose a question: would you still like that rubber mask if walrus face were one of the main characters?
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:37 p.m. CST
by P. David
Other than Citizen Kane, ANH is probably the most influential movie ever made. It changed the entire film industry. Saying that the PT did not have the same impact doesn't really say much, since no film in the past thirty-five years has had the impact of ANH. It's not just that a bunch of kids liked them at the time. Through the years, I have had many conversations about the Prequels, with a large cross-section of moviegoers. Die-hard fans, casual viewers, people who didn't know that Anakin was going to become Darth Vader until I told them. Kids, teenager and adults. Family, friends, casual aquentences, strangers. And the overwhelming majority of them truly like the PT. If you are going to say that a movie is a failure because it wasn't a seismic event that completely transformed the way that movies were made marketed—that's a pretty high bar.
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:43 p.m. CST
Also, kevred, Star Wars sold a half a billion dollars in toys last years. I don't think the kids who bought those toys are obsessing over whether the OT was better. They just love Star Wars.
by P. David
Nov. 22, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST
My biggest hope this Thanksgiving is that the sequels will bring the fans back together. Balance must be restored to the Force.
by P. David
Nov. 22, 2012, 1:03 p.m. CST
Fuck the fans, as long as I get more Star Wars.
by MajorFrontbum
The fans are shit, unappreciative, whiny knuckle-heads, who have no idea what Star Wars is. An R Rated Star Wars? That's almost as laughable as the current US President getting "re-elected"
Nov. 22, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
I say what I said as a fan. I'm 40, I've been there from the begining....
by Dan
Nothing is more laughable than the President being re-elected.... Yeesh. What a failure that is and will be.
Nov. 22, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
Now its time to pray for Kasdan...
by Dan
He will replace Lucas as the new whipping boy. He will become fodder for the drooling virgin nerds and all logical discourse will cease. Soon we will hear and read the old tropes of.... "LAWRENCE KASDAN RAPED MY CHILDHOOD!" or "WHY WON'T KASDAN DIE ALREADY!" "I'M A FUCKING LOSER WITH NO LIFE!" I threw that last in.... haha.
Nov. 22, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST
And yes, the chimps will throw fits soon when the director is named...
by Dan
Nov. 22, 2012, 1:44 p.m. CST
jeshopk = i love u
by Dan
Nov. 22, 2012, 2:12 p.m. CST
by one9deuce
You're calling me blind? Some shots in AOTC and ROTS are TERRIBLE! Come on, be somewhat reasonable. You know I'm right. For every breathtakingly perfect fx shot of Watto, there is a pure shit fx shot of Yoda. There are big BIG differences in the fx quality among the three Prequel films. I never have said the fx in the Prequels are all bad, but some are absolutely horrendous. Anakin on that thing in the field comes to mind. But some of the fx are spectacular. Again, Watto is just incredible.
Nov. 22, 2012, 2:28 p.m. CST
by one9deuce
You seem like a nice guy, which is refreshing around here. You're asking if I would like a main character to have a rubber mask? No, I would not. At least, not like Walrus Man. But (and this is a big BUT) I would like to see a full on animatronic set-up for a main character. Combined with an actor they can do amazing things with animatronics. They can also do amazing things with CGI combined with an actor, like Davey Jones for example. I'm not anti-CGI at all. I'm just anti-shitty looking FX. And I would prefer practical for every possible thing. Sets, costumes, models etc... I want to feel like what I'm seeing actually exists. In ROTS, Obi-Wan Kenobi and Mace Windu walking with Yoda in that great hall like area does not look real. It doesn't feel like it exists because it didn't. In ROTJ, when Darth Vader is walking with The Emperor in the big hangar of Death Star II it looks totally real. It feels like it exists because it did exist. They actually built it and it looked spectacular.
Nov. 22, 2012, 2:32 p.m. CST
Now that Disney owns Lucasfilm, the fans can finally stick George in carbon freeze
by Mike2D
Fans: "You annoy us." George: "I know."
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:02 p.m. CST
My first experience with the Prequels was "holy shit, I am so glad Lucas is doing it this way." He started it so light for CONTRAST and FORM. It was a GREAT deceptive setup.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST
Lucas lured children in with candy and then told them a cautionary and dystopian tale nobody else would.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
7-9 might come out great, but if people think fandom will ever be united when Disney's gonna make kazillion Star Wars related movies, that's highly illogical.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST
It's not like Marvel fans are even remotely united. The more varied a franchise becomes, the more varied in opinion fandom becomes. Not a bad thing, but nothing's gonna "save" Star Wars from all those negative opinions.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST
You just gotta grow a set and realize negative opinions of others should never stop you from liking what you like.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
by Dan
I'll give you a couple maybe, Anakin on the beastie is wobbly, but to say there are mostly terrible shots- no way... No more so than LOTR- Return of the King looked awful in the final battle and now a decade later looks even worse...
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
The CG gripe is no longer a gripe...
by Dan
It's what you are used to-its a relatively new technique that is still not sold on some. Tough. Get used to it, its not going anywhere...
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:30 p.m. CST
Whatever, it doesn't matter the movies are here now...
by Dan
Bitching about their special effects is stupid...they aren't going anywhere.
Nov. 22, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
why would anyone wish harm to George?
by Dan
Fucking bums!
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:20 p.m. CST
The battle of hoth sequence in ESB IS star wars
by Magnetic_fields
The battle of hoth sequence to me IS star wars. That is what was missing completely from the prequels. The scene where the rebel soldiers are in the barracks looking Into the horizon through their binoculars and suddenly the at-ats show up. The tension can be felt in the air. And the realism of it all is what keeps it grounded. There were actual human soldiers in utilitarian army gear-not weird shiny armor like the prequels. We need more human actors, less cgi aliens, more physical sets, and of course most of all a great script. I hope Disney knocks it out of the park. The collective disappointment with the prequels has built up over the last decade. Episode I was definitely the greatest cinematic blunder I can think of. I remember walking out of the theater in 1999 during my senior year of college thinking "what the hell was that". We all tried to convince ourselves " no it was good". But it just didn't feel like star wars. I hope adding kasdan brings the old star wars feeling back.
Nov. 22, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
by P. David
Combining CGI and practical effects generally works really well. The facial expressions of the Wild Things spring to mind, as does Two-Face's deformity. But I think it will be a moot point soon, as CGI becomes totally photo-realistic. I'm going to go see Life Of Pi tomorrow; I'm curious to check out that tiger. When he made the PT, Lucas was clearly fascinated and thrilled with CGI. I'm sure that he was consciously trying to see how far he could push it. Watching the PT, I can see a filmmaker stretching the boundaries of technology, working from the premise that there were no boundaries to what he could imagine and put on film. Did it work out perfectly? Of course not. But for many years, I accepted the OT as a vision of a whole other realm, even with a lot of cheesy special effects. To me, the PT CGI is just another tool. I Knew that Yoda wasn't real in Empire; it's the same with Yoda in AOTC.
Nov. 22, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
Star Wars through rose-colored glasses...
by P. David
The Godfather and To Kill A Mockingbird are examples of perfect (or near-perfect) films. Casablanca, Touch Of Evil, Vertigo, Wings of Desire, The Wizard of Oz... these are examples of films that most filmmakers would be hard pressed to improve upon. Apocalypse Now and Brazil are examples of very flawed films that nontheless come close to greatness. So where do the Star Wars films fit in? ANH is an example of pure storytelling; the script is perfectly streamlined, containing nothing extraneous (I'm ignoring the SE Jabba, who didn't need to be in the movie). And Empire is amazingly directed, with gorgeous, moody cinematography. But from a pure filmmaking perspective, none of the six films are the best-made movies in the world. For one thing, the dialogue and acting are cheesy in the extreme. And yet, I love them more than any other movies. Part of it has to do with the childhood memories associated with them. Part of it is the fact that, as a student of literature and folklore, I really connect with the films, which are Lucas's commentary on the nature of storytelling, when you get right down to it. But the critics of the PT are overstating the quality of the OT. The two trilogies are not that far apart, but despite thier rather large flaws, the power of Lucas's vision and imagination sucks me in every time.
Nov. 22, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
I surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together... long live Star Wars. At the end of the day these are only movies, but they bring happiness to a lot of people. I just feel like certain people have lost perspective when it comes to the Pre
by P. David
Nov. 22, 2012, 6:24 p.m. CST
..quels, and I hope they approach the sequels with an open mind. That's all.
by P. David
Nov. 22, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST
Well said ashpatel22..totally agree!
by Mr95
Nov. 22, 2012, 7:23 p.m. CST
pdb Even with To Kill A Mockingbird, it depends on your values. Some people would have more respect for a lawyer that would rescue Boo Radley, Fugitive style. "Perfect" will always depend on the individual viewer.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 22, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
I ken you, jeshopk...
by P. David
All I mean is that with Mockingbird and Godfather, there is not a single wasted moment, every line of the screenplay and every performance rings true, ect. Godfather in particular is a masterpiece of acting, directing, writing, editing and cinematography. Every element of this movie is perfect; there is not a single false note. And yes, I know that there will be people who say that I'm wrong. But there is gulf between the Godfather and Star Wars in terms of the artistry that went into them. And yet, if I could have one movie on a desert island, I would choose Star Wars. I wouldn't even hesitate.
Nov. 22, 2012, 8:32 p.m. CST
by Dan
That's your fault...not everyone felt/feels that way... Don't apply that to everyone, it's just not true... pdb- Keep it up, dude! Love your words!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 22, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST
M Knight Shamalama-ding dong is now up for Directing?
by Dan
He was up for writing Indiana Jones 4 about ten years ago.... odd.
Nov. 22, 2012, 9:06 p.m. CST
Here's what I'd like to see if I was in charge...
by Dan
People want Vader- Vader hunting down the rest of the Jedis... Yoda could be used in some bits...maybe a cameo from Obi Wan. The rest could all be new characters. escaping Vader's reach, trying to anyway. Rogue Squadron adventures- I read some of these books and they are fun... no reason for this not to work. A bounty Hunter movie- After Empire before JEDI, Fett's POV, he has Solo, the entire movie is about all the different bounty hunters trying to steal his catch... show what a crafty bastard Fett really is. The movie would end with the battle of Sarlaac; computer trickery could show the battle from his POV; and the final scenes would have him shoot missiles and lob bombs- escaping. Final scene- Fett triumphant! The building of the Rebellion- Ackbar, Mon Mothma, General Madine could be in there... Ah well, just mental masturbation....no worries if it doesn't happen...
Nov. 22, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST
i think that this will be epic!!!!
by Norman Colson
Disney knows what the fuck theyre doing everyone calm the fuck down!!!!
Nov. 23, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST
I totally disagree with you pdb
by one9deuce
You're definitely correct when you say that THE GODFATHER, CASABLANCA, VERTIGO, THE WIZARD OF OZ etc... are examples of perfect films. Those films couldn't possibly be improved upon. But how can you say that STAR WARS or THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK are overrated? Or that people are overstating the quality of those films? Those two films ARE perfect. How could SW or TESB be improved upon? They are both lightning in a bottle. I don't understand when someone complains about the dialogue being hokey in the Original Trilogy. It's exactly what it should be. The Original Trilogy was a mix of chapterplays/serials, westerns, war films, samurai films, and a whole lot of influences that George Lucas mixed together to make the Original Trilogy: Family/Sci-Fantasy/Space Adventure films. For that kind of film the dialogue is pitch-perfect. And if its been quoted for 35 years then its memorable. Look at the different Genres in your perfect films line-up, they're so different. A Children's Fantasy Musical to an Adult Mafia Drama. Why can't a Space Adventure film be perfect? It can be, and STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK are the two Space Adventure films that achieved perfection.
Nov. 23, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST
by one9deuce
I absolutely love RETURN OF THE JEDI. I love it like I love STAR WARS and THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. And I believe many of the greatest moments in the entire Star Wars Saga happen in RETURN OF THE JEDI. Of all the Star Wars films, ROTJ might have the most great moments. But, it isn't a perfect film. There are lots of things that could have been changed to make it even better. STAR WARS is perfect THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK is perfect RETURN OF THE JEDI is totally awesome, but not perfect unfortunately
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:17 a.m. CST
lol @ the prequels being "the same" as the OT
by fastcars
That's like saying poop is "the same" as chocolate. The prequels were shot entirely on a green screen with shitty fake CGI, starring bland characters, with no personality traits, saying terrible facepalm dialogue, and doing random things to service a convoluted plot that nobody can remember. The OT...complete opposite. All the criticism in Plinkett's prequels reviews is dead-on.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:18 a.m. CST
You're talking to an obsessive SW fan here, one9deuce...
by P. David
And before the PT, I would just let the OT wash right over me, without analyzing it. But in the process of defending the PT, I have had to take a more critical view of the originals. It doesn't mean that I don't love them beyond love, which I do. I wouldn't change a thing about them; even thier flaws endear them to me. People have different views of perfection. I'm on the wrong side of history with a lot of movies. I hated American Beauty, for example.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:22 a.m. CST
The prequel trilogy is more like Twilight than Star Wars
by fastcars
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:22 a.m. CST
I love you." "I know." > "I hate sand.
by fastcars
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:29 a.m. CST
Lucas is beyond a genius
by P. David
Lucas took Joseph Campbell's writings, combined them with old saturday morning serials, and created a timeless myth for our age, and all ages. If you took Star Wars out of outer space, it could be an ancient story. Lucas is beyond a genius. There are many factors that go into a terrific movie, and not all of them are on the technical side.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST
fastcars... PLEASE don't mention Twilight in the same sentence as Star Wars!
by P. David
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:56 a.m. CST
By the way, jeshopk... Boo Radley was the Robert Duvall character.... the man being defended by Atticus Finch was named Tom Robinson.
by P. David
Nov. 23, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST
as we are at years end and with Disney owning Lucasfilm
by popboy
George Lucas did this interview at the start of the year with NY times..... http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/22/magazine/george-lucas-red-tails.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Nov. 23, 2012, 5:43 a.m. CST
Easy decision - I vote Lawrence Kasdan.
by SunTzu77
Nov. 23, 2012, 5:55 a.m. CST
Just watched Stardust, Kick Ass, and Xmen: First Class again - I hope Matthew Vaughn gets to direct
by Quarantine
Millar seems to think so, too, even if it does derail Vaughn's next movie with him a little. http://m.digitalspy.ca/movies/news/a436839/mark-millar-endorses-matthew-vaughn-for-star-wars-episode-7.html Vaughn loves Star Wars. The three movies I mentioned are all directed about as well as they could have been given the source materials. He can utilize FX. His style suits and can be further suited to Star Wars. Simon Kinburg, now one of the writers and producers, worked with him on Xmen first Class and completed pre-production on its sequel. Vaughn produced Guy Ritchie's early movies so they probably knew each other before then on Ritchie's Holmes reboot. With none of the older directors (I bet Zemeckis doesn't want to do another trilogy), I think Vaughn's the guy for the job. The fact that he's a big fan makes me feel even better. Research the trailers for his last few movies. He's ready for this and is perhaps a modest grade above Favereau, IMO.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST
I think Stardust, Kick ass and Xmen first class are a better last 3 films to have on one's resume than Cowboys and Aliens, Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 1
by Quarantine
Iron Man was obviously good but Vaughn's work is more classical and seems to be getting better whereas Favereau is now directing ABC pilots and seems to be going in the other directio after Iron Man. Plus, Iron Man succeeded a lot from Robert Downy jr. He was perfect for the role. Vaughn had to pull out performances from teens and actors in their early twenties that few Americans knew in his last 3, which is more impressive.
Nov. 23, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
Favereau is terrible...
by Dan
SO damn vanilla he makes Ron Howard look like Scorcese. He has no visual flair, no style- nothing... Renny Harlin makes fun of him for lacking style... Cowboys & Aliens was just a scosh away from being great...but man, it was attacked with the case of the blands....
Nov. 23, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST
What some might consider "vanilla" filmmaking others might consider class. Think Speilberg, or Coppola, or Ford, or Zemeckis, or Altman, or PT Anderson, or Scorcese, or Leigh, or Capra, or Lean...
by Quarantine
I am not at all suggesting that Favereau is anywhere near those legends but it bothers me that steady, classical direction, with nice wide shots, and without a ton of flash is now considered boring to so many younger film goers. I don't want everything to look like a McG, or Bekmambetov, or Ritchie, or Raimi, or Tykwer, or Wachowski, or Wright, or even Fincher movie all the time. And I certainly don't want Star Wars to look like "Wanted," or "Run Lola "Run" or "Snatch" or "Fight Club" or "The Matrix" or "Scott Pilgrim." I liked those movies but that's not Star Wars. Star Wars is more classical than that. The only slow motion shots I can think of off hand in the OT are when Obi Wan disappears during his fight with Vader, and during the "vision-sequence" in ROTJ when Vader's mask cracks open, revealing Luke. The most stylish fight scene was probably the final fight scene between Vader and Luke where Vader says, "Sister" and there's that one great crane shot of the two of them as they duel with the stars framed behind them. There were some notable POV decisions throughout all of the OT but they were all chosen wisely. They weren't overdone. Same goes for camera movement. It was used when it was necessary to track action but it wasn't just added without any purpose like a Michael Bay movie. The prequels added a little more style but not a ton. My point is that a classical style is what's needed for Star Wars, IMO.
Nov. 23, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
I liked Revenge of the Sith and parts of the prequels
by _Venkman
Nov. 23, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST
Watching Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope back-to-back on Blu-ray is actually pretty awesome, btw
by Quarantine
Being able to see Star Wars remastered and in such high clarity helps close the gap visually between IV (1977) and III (2007?). Also, ROTS is easily the best of the prequels and the sets present toward the end of the movie look like those in the OT. I actually imagine Anakin within the Vader suit as an old, gross, angry man now when I see ANH and I do think it adds to the experience. I get the prequel bashing for TPM and TCW, and I'll fully admit that III isn't as good as IV or V but I still enjoy III. It helps redeem the prequels somewhat flaws and all. And I don't care about the whole "Nooooooo" thing like everybody else. It does remind of Frankenstein and I sort of saw it as more of an homage because that's kind of what he's become. He's become a monster at that point. Anyway, I'm done arguing about that part or the merits within III. Everybody always disagrees and wants to point out faults and that's fine. That's what freedom of speech is for. Eps. III - 7.0 out of 10 Eps. IV - 9.3 out of 10 Eps. V - 9.5 out of 10 Eps. VI - 7.9 out of 10 Those are my favorite 4 Star Wars movies and sort of how I view them in comparison to one another in the franchise.
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
wthe who will direct the next Star Wars?" meme needs a better name
by animatronicmojo
Blomkamp maybe? That could be amazing- Elysium out summer '13.
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:37 a.m. CST
Pros and cons of Gary Kurtz (or someone like him)
by darthkittens
I see some people saying bring back Kurtz and a mention of "the making of ESB" showing Kurtz is incompetent. Remember this is an LFL sanctioned book. For an alternate view, read Empire Building, which talks about GL's terrible edit of ESB, which only warrants a brief mention in Renzler's book. I think Kurtz was probably terrible with money, but had some good instincts and most importantly was willing to disagree with GL. Probably the biggest benefit of the new movies is the potential for someone, be it a Gary Kurtz or Michael Arndt for example, to reject one of GL's stupid ideas in the treament. The real issue will be do the treat Jar Jar-like fart jokes as gospel, or do they take a stand against things like that.
Nov. 23, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
Kurtz was a terrible producer- got fired and now its been sour grapes ever since...
by Dan
the man is classless. Favereau is vanilla, has no style- like Ron Howard...but worse, his movies are becoming forgettable and close to having no re-watchability. traditional wide shots with great crisp editing, yes, but we don't need any workman-like directing either which is what Favereau brings...he sabotaged "Cowboys & Aliens."
Nov. 23, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
We don't a fucking Kurtz! We have Kasdan!
by Dan
Nov. 23, 2012, 1:20 p.m. CST
This debate about the right director is interesting, but...
by P. David
What is going to matter is enthusiasm and love of Star Wars. I would take a less-talented, younger director over an established one with a bigger sense of style, if the younger one loved Star Wars a whole lot more, and "got" George Lucas. Always remember: THX and Graffiti are terrific, entertaining movies, but Lucas's genius didn't truly manifest itself until Star Wars. I foresee a young, talented, Star Wars-loving director rising to the occasion.
Nov. 23, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST
@fastcars; you are Wrong!
by MajorFrontbum
Get your fucking facts straight when typing shit on the internet about Star Wars. The Prequels used a combination of CGI, built-sets AND MODELS. In fact, there are more models used in a single prequel film, that the Original Trilogy combined. Do a bit of research, before posting what you think is true, otherwise you come off looking like an ignorant twit.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
by Dan
PT did more location shooting than the original movies and as previously mentioned, traditional model building. Once again, CG doesn't mean its bad. Know the difference, making fun of that tool nowadays only makes you look like a crabby, igorant tool...
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
I do agree, I would rather have an unknown
by Dan
hungry Director that gets it than some bitter, bloated industry vet who thinks they know what Lucas is about and miss the point... Affleck is too pretentious, he is the type whose imagination doesn't extend past his own ego.... guys liek that, no thanks.
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
Ford, Lucas, Speilberg, Coopola, Scorcese were all unknown once.
by Dan
Nov. 23, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
But of the "fans" on here didn't buy the SW blurays...
by Dan
because of them not being the pre-Special Editions... riiiiiighhhht? Or is that the usual fake fanboy outrage and then of course caving in to their nerd wants?
Nov. 23, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
zodlovesmaude, you think that the Prequels had more location work?
by one9deuce
Does REVENGE OF THE SITH have even one single shot that was filmed on location? I can't think of one, but I admit I've only seen it the one time. And no, I did not buy the big six film Star Wars Saga box set on blu-ray. My work now has the separate trilogies on blu-ray and I walk past them every day. And it pains me that the Original Trilogy is available by itself without the Prequel Trilogy on blu-ray and I just won't buy it because of the changes. I hate the changes to the Original Trilogy even more than I hate ATTACK OF THE CLONES and REVENGE OF THE SITH. I don't know if the Sequel Trilogy and subsequent Star Wars films will be good, but I'll forever be happy that Disney bought Lucasfilm because they WILL release an Archive Edition of the Original Trilogy on blu-ray that has the original theatrical versions of STAR WARS, THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, and RETURN OF THE JEDI. Because it will make a SHITLOAD of money. They could charge $200 for it and I would buy it as soon as it was released without a seconds hesitation. And I'm certainly not alone.
Nov. 23, 2012, 4:21 p.m. CST
zodlovesmaude - majorfrontbum
by fastcars
The CGI looks terrible in the prequels. Everything is perfectly symmetrical and cartoony. It doesn't look like anything is "there." In the "making of" clips, the actors are awkwardly talking to nothing in a green screen studio, not even knowing what's going to be there. Which is everything wrong with New Star Wars. (Let's not even get into those clusterfuck action scenes, that are closer to Tom & Jerry cartoons & Super Mario Bros. than any scenes in the OT.) It must be fun to pretend that everyone who dislikes the prequels is a "hater" who secretly buys every Star Wars release on Blu-Ray. Too bad that's not even remotely true. People who disliked the prequels, still love the originals, and give credit to Lucas. And people tend to not buy movies they don't like on Blu-Ray or DVD. I know, I know. It seems crazy! Personally, I own about a hundred DVD's, and none of them are Star Wars. I don't want to buy weird, altered versions of movies, with bizarre audio and visual changes. Especially if said altered versions of movies are packaged with three movies that suck. Why would I buy a $60 - $80 Star Wars collection, when it contains literally nothing I want to watch? I don't even know what versions of Star Wars are available at this point, and I don't care. I'd rather watch Back To The Future, Lord of the Rings and Indiana Jones.
Nov. 23, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
I'm over the "enhancements" fiasco. I enjoy the story archs, HD res, and 7.1 audio too much to boycott.
by Quarantine
It's still Star Wars to me and young Anakin at the end suits me fine. It ties the two stories together more. It's part of the franchise history now and I've come to terms with that. Kids love the prequels. It actually works pretty well. Let your kid watch TPM when they're 5-7. ATC from 8-9. ROTS, ANH, ESP, and ROTJ from 10 on up. And the new trilogy as they come out.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST
Jaina Solo
by David Duchovny
is the name floating around as the main character in the new trilogy. Everything will revolve around her.
Nov. 23, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST
Just saw Life of Pi, and am convinced that CGI has finally come of age. The Sequels...
by P. David
...are going to be INCREDIBLE. And by the way... Life of Pi is the kind of movie that justifies the existence of movies. It left me with a wonderful feeling about the power—and the future—of film. Maybe some people are too harsh with the PT. Maybe some of us are too generous. Who cares? For a medium that is only a century old, a lot of magic has been produced, and a lot of people transported out of thier ordinary lives. We should all spend less time nitpicking about movies, and spend more time actually enjoying them.
Nov. 23, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST
the "kids like the prequels therefore they're good" argument is bullshit. kids are stupid and don't know shit. I have 2 I know. It my job as a parent to keep garbage like the prequels away from them. Star wras ET..those films had magic. the prequels were
by FleshMachine
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:17 p.m. CST
[Simon Kinberg] has completed production polishes/rewrites on Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle (2003), Catwoman (2004), Elektra (2005), Fantastic Four (2005)
by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch
From IMDB. This is not looking good, people. This man wrote X-Men 3. Also the sequel to XXX with Ice Cube taking over the Vin Diesel role. I just read somewhere that he's writing part 7, with Kasdan writing the other two? Does anyone have confirmation on this? Sherlock Holmes was hollow, modern trash.... The words -Hollywood whore with good connections- spring to mind.
Nov. 23, 2012, 11:22 p.m. CST
fleshmachine, I'm GLAD you keep your kids away from watching soulless shit
by sasquatch_with_a_swatch_watch
I wish more parents were like you. If more parents bothered to be discerning, then maybe Hollywood would go back to making REAL cartoons again, and films with REAL special effects that are a magical life-changing experience for kids. The way the original STAR WARS films were.
Nov. 24, 2012, 1:48 a.m. CST
fleshmachine = bitter twat.... melodramatic much?
by Dan
let them make their own minds up before spewing bitter bile all over the party... you say that as you allow your brats to see "Madagascar 3."
Nov. 24, 2012, 2:06 a.m. CST
by Dan
The Volcano and lava footage were of a real one... They didn't really need to shoot on location. Inside a spaceship, on Coruscant, on Mustafar... no Earth-like settings around. but now folks we are getting picky, stupid and very ignorant if you think a movie sucks just because its not shot on location... Alfred Hitchcock hated location shooting... do his movies suck? Hate all you want, but have a legit reason, don't make stupid, out-of-ass reasons just because the bitterness is still there and you are incapable of moving on.
Nov. 24, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST
I am in an utter minority here
by popboy
I thought that location work in the prequels was stunning.
Nov. 24, 2012, 4:37 a.m. CST
As the years go on, I'm only in awe of what Lucas and co. managed to do with the OT
by Jared Bond
He had a vision. In his own words, he made movies that he felt were so obvious that it was surprising that no one else had made them yet. As he and Spielberg said, they simply made movies that they wanted to see. But with Star Wars, he admitted that he hated coming up with a story. All he initially had was a few scenes in mind, and the general concept. He wanted the X-wings attacking the Death Star. He wanted the Banthas in the desert (I think). He wanted stuff that you feel like you've seen before, but you realize you haven't. The general concept of War comes from WWII, dogfights, and the Nazis-- but really that's just the Empire. Then of course there's Flash Gordon as an influence. If Lucas had been able to get the rights to Flash Gordon, we wouldn't have Star Wars. 50% of a movie is sound, he once said. When Lucas screened an early version of the movie for studio execs, all of whom were just confused by it, I can bet that it didn't have Williams' score. The Force did not show up until Lucas' 4th draft. Before Star Wars had become really successful, he had a sequel outlined that was not at all like ESB. He even had an author make a book out of it, but obviously everything was scrapped for the sequel, which is where Yoda, the Force, and people's attachment to Star Wars in a religious sense began. (I've argued here several times that this aspect, which Lucas probably had little to do with, is the key to Star Wars' long-term success, and what was sorely lacking in the prequels.) Ewoks are really very close to the initial concept of Star Wars. Lucas had wanted to do a Vietnam movie, from the perspective of the Vietnamese-- the primitives against the empire. Later Lucas toyed with the idea of telling Star Wars from the perspective of the robots, which still remains as the opening of Episode IV. The Ewoks are not so kiddie, as everyone insists. They were pretty realistic. They were close to killing and eating the main characters. There was a real dead animal as bait. They smoked, they told stories, had babies, and we see one or two of them get killed. It felt like a real culture. Everyone loves the OT, but parents would probably be up in arms if Disney dared do anything as bold with these new episodes. And does anyone want to? Seems like interests are different these days.
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
zodlovesmaude, what is wrong with you??
by one9deuce
I didn't complain at all about the lack of location work in REVENGE OF THE SITH. Just scroll up and see for yourself. I just refuted your statement about the PT having more location work than the OT. It's highly unlikely. And you're wrong about the lava and volcano. Those are backround plates they shot. There was no location work. They didn't helicopter them to the top of a volcano and shoot, although that would have been cool as hell.
Nov. 24, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
by Dan
Yes, there was plenty of location work, it was about the same as in the OT- there may not have been more since SITH didn't call for it, but to say there was none or very little is wrong. So when nerds say that, correct them. All the locations show onscreen: ANH had Tunisia, Gutamala ESB- Norway - Studio Jedi- Arizona, redwoods of California TPM- Tunisia, Italy, Australia AOTC- Tunisia, Italy SITH- Studio only See, its all about the same give or take a location or two... doesn't matter though, location or not does not make a movie good, better or worse. The volcano, lava shit is real, spruced up by ILM of course, but real... watch the making of SITH for these tidbits.
Nov. 24, 2012, 2:41 p.m. CST
zodlovesmaude is correct...
by P. David
There is not much difference between the two trilogies, and where there are differences everything balances out. I am happy, one9deuce, that, in your opinion, ANH and Empire are perfect. I like that people love Star Wars; in my own life, nothing makes me happier than introducing the saga to SW virgins, and seeing them appreciate the films. But I really, truly believe that the PT's reputation will drastically change in time.
Nov. 24, 2012, 5:11 p.m. CST
Well, pdb
by one9deuce
The OT and the PT aren't thought of as equal now, so I'm not sure why you think that will change in the future. It's not like JAWS: THE REVENGE is now considered equal to JAWS. Or SUPERMAN IV: THE QUEST FOR PEACE is loved like SUPERMAN THE MOVIE is just because it's been a couple of decades. That doesn't make any sense. As I stated above, it's highly likely that the Sequel Trilogy will just further diminish how the Prequel Trilogy is thought of.
Nov. 24, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
Nah, it will all balance out...
by Dan
Because for one, the prequels are NOT like Jaws of the Revenge or Quest for Peace junk- that is fact. And people's opinions change over time, soften, redirect themselves. All that matter is that we are getting three more films, maybe more, and that makes me so damn geeky happy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 24, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST
popboy - agreed!
by Dan
Nov. 24, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST
by Dan
No has ever liked Jaws the Revenge, (I know, I saw that hunk of piss in the theater) or Superman: Quest for Peace (better than Part III though) so that line of reasoning doesn't gel. Those movies will always have a consensus of hate- as it should be...
Nov. 24, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
i_dunno_lol - like many you are missing the point..
by Dan
The Force was not meant to be a religious thing in the prequels, its the reason why the Jedis fell and why Anakin turned so easily. They didn't respect it, they used it as mere tools, it's biology for them. This is why it was used so easily against them by Palpy. The OT uses it cautiously, Yoda and Ben revere it, instill the spirituality in it for a reason, to keep Luke 's ego from rampaging. Luke was taught that it was bigger than him...be careful. Why would the two trilogies have the same thoughts and feelings on something that is used completely different in each era? Doesn't make sense. That is not a flaw or anything missing, it's by design.
Nov. 24, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
one9deuce... the Prequels are unique in the annals of film...
by P. David
You had three films that changed the film industry, and became some of the most beloved films ever made in the years that followed. Then—after sixteen YEARS—three more moves were made in the series. And not only did they have to live up to sixteen years worth of expectations, they completely confounded the expectations of the fans that had been waiting for them. In fact, the three new films turned the three old ones upside-down. You might say that the filmmaker who made the films was just asking for trouble. This is why I think the reputation of these films will get better. There needs to be some distance from that sixteen-year-wait, and all the expectations it created. On another note, there have been plenty of films that were only appreciated years later. It's A Wonderful Life and The Shawshank Redemption bombed when they first came out, and the last time I checked, they are two of the most popular movies ever made. Wizard of Oz only barely made back its money. Willy Wonka only became beloved when they started showing it on television.
Nov. 24, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
I agree with one thing, though, one9deuce...
by P. David
The Sequels might end up being better than the Prequels. I saw Life of Pi with someone who doesn't really keep up with film, and didn't know that the tiger was digital in almost every shot. I deliberately didn't tell her, and after the movie she was stunned when she found out. She said that she assumed the tiger must have been digital in SOME shots, but not the entire movie. With Kasdan on board, it is POSSIBLE that the new films will approximate the experience of the OT, but with a quantum leap forward in special effects.
Nov. 24, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
Just think of it as the story only gets better from episode to next...
by Dan
Nov. 24, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
You might be on to something, zodlovesmaude...
by P. David
If you take the position of the OT purists, Star Wars is the only series in history where the fifth installment is better than the first.
Nov. 24, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
And Empire IS better than Phantom Menace. I may love the Prequels, but I'm not insane.
by P. David
Nov. 24, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
Well duh, PDB, not really any that are better.
by Dan
Nov. 24, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
I have a safe feeling ep 7 onward
by Dan
is going to be mind blowing good.
Nov. 24, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
Well... the first three films have the potential to be amazing as hell...
by P. David
They will most likely feel like a continuation of the story that started with TPM. It's the films that come after that worry me. If they start doing Star Wars spinoffs—The Adventures of Boba Fett, The Adventures of Young Yoda—it could turn into Star Trek, fast. Any films that come after have to have that Star Wars mythic heft. As good as the Thrawn Trilogy was, it missed the point of Star Wars: timeless, ancient stories told in new ways.
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:22 p.m. CST
Yes, I want the orginal kids back with solid story...
by Dan
After the trilogy is done, do the off-shoot films, Boba Fett, Bounty Hunters, the rise of the Rebellion- all that stuff... Animate the Thrawn trilogy, just like Clone Wars, have the originals back for that too...
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:26 p.m. CST
Thrawn trilogy was good sci-fi, just not good fantasy...
by Dan
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:30 p.m. CST
Thrawn Trilogy is wonderfully entertaining, it was my first dose of Star Wars since the early 80's. But it missed that Star Wars feel.
by P. David
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:33 p.m. CST
There are some good EU stories, do them as animated miniseries or whatever. Just keep the films pure.
by P. David
Nov. 24, 2012, 10:42 p.m. CST
Star Wars is not science fiction. It's just dressed up to look like science fiction.
by P. David
Nov. 24, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST
Yes, thank you PDb, so many do not understand that...
by Dan
NOT sci-fi one bit...
Nov. 24, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST
The best EU story was the book called,
by Dan
RISE OF VADER, a few weeks after SITH and it describes Anakin's constant pain and how he to inject painkillers almost constantly and how it hurts to breath, even with his mask on...and how Obi Wan went into hiding and why he choose the name Ben... some good action too with Vader slicing and dicing Jedis.
Nov. 25, 2012, midnight CST
I haven't read that one, but I must admit...
by P. David
Seeing the years directly following ROTS, with Vader at the center, would be amazing... chasing down the remaining Jedi, maybe some intrigue as Vader tries to outwit Imperial rivals in a paranoid way... Tarkin rising in the ranks. I must admit that if THAT were the premise of the films following 7-9, I would be sold.
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST
And, sad to say, we would never get that story... if it were George's decision alone....
by P. David
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST
And, sad to say, we would never get that story... if it were George's decision alone....
by P. David
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST
And, sad to say, we would never get that story... if it were George's decision alone....
by P. David
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:05 a.m. CST
And, sad to say, we would never get that story... if it were George's decision alone....
by P. David
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST
Whoa! WHOA!
by one9deuce
You two can't be serious. Even if I loved the Prequel Trilogy, I wouldn't watch them I, II, III, IV, V, VI. That completely ruins the Original Trilogy. RUINS IT. Here is a list of awesome moments from the OT that would be ruined by watching the PT first: 1) No, I am your Father Obvious, but come on, it's THE surprise moment in cinema history. 2) The reveal of Jabba the Hutt Special Edition addition doesn't count. If you watch the original Original Trilogy, hearing about Jabba for two movies as this badass gangster makes you really want to see him. And when you finally do in ROTJ, you'll never forget him. Worth the wait. 3) The reveal of The Emperor You hear about him in STAR WARS in a quick exchange between Gran Moff Tarkin and the Death Star higher-ups. Just enough to make you wonder who the heck The Emperor might be. Then in TESB we briefly see him once and only in a hologram. Then you're REALLY wondering who this person is that even Darth Vader is kneeling down to. And when we finally get to really see and hear him in ROTJ, he definitely doesn't disappoint. He's just as memorable as Darth Vader. 4) Finding out that Luke Skywalker is much more than just a farm boy. Which might be the best thing about the Original Trilogy. All of the build up to him being a full-fledged Jedi Knight is completely destroyed by watching the PT first. No build up because you already know he's a descendant of The Force. 5) The reveal of Luke and Leia being twin siblings. It's a shitty way to wrap up the love triangle between Han, Luke, and Leia. It wasn't originally what Lucas was going to do, but it IS part of the Original Trilogy. It's especially creepy already knowing they are siblings when they're making out in TESB. That's just the five main reasons to watch the Original Trilogy first, I could easily list more. I can't think of ONE reason to watch the Prequel Trilogy first.
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
Problem is, Empire Strikes Back with a lesser composer would not be a very emotional film. Even if they get the best director in the world, film composing is dead aside from a few masters. Odds they hire a master is slim to none.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST
I am in the minority in that I actually loved Ziro the Hutt, but that Clone Wars movie was not what the fans wanted to see on the big screen.
by P. David
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST
This is a very poor period for a studio to be in charge of finishing the Star Wars saga. The studios are simply not set up to make quality films.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:14 a.m. CST
by Jared Bond
I'm just pointing out that the very thing that captured people's attention with the OT was missing from the PT. Even if it made sense with the story, it was bad for the purposes of crowd-pleasing, and impacting a new generation. But of course, I don't think that was intentional-- I think Lucas was and is merely oblivious to what made the OT popular in the first place. There's no way Lucas could have made the OT by himself, so it should not be surprising that the PT is not on par with it. Defend the prequels all you want, they offended the adults, and will fail to have much lasting significance to kids. Take away the OT and you have something on the level of Shyamalan's "The Last Airbender".
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
There are still good films, jeshopk, even if they are becoming rarer and rarer.
by P. David
Recently we've had Cloud Atlas, Lincoln, Skyfall, Life of Pi, Hugo, Frankenweenie, The Dark Knight Rises, True Grit, Avatar, Toy Story 3, The Avengers, The Hunger Games... hell, even Rise of the Planet of the Apes was really good. There is still decent stuff out there.
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST
That book was called 'Rise of the Dark Lord'
by Larry_Sanders
Not Rise of Vader. You "fans" don't know shit.
Nov. 25, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST
You know what would be really neat?
by P. David
A series of graphic novels retelling the Star Wars story in different genres. SW as Western, SW as sword and sorcery, SW as a Samurai story, SW set in a dystopian future.
Nov. 25, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST
Pdb. SW already all of that!
by Dan
Nov. 25, 2012, 1:19 a.m. CST
i_dunno_lol - it made sense to the story
by Dan
if some didn't get that, its their fault. The movies are doing just fine, 15 years in and its still talked about- doing just fine.
Nov. 25, 2012, 1:20 a.m. CST
zodlovesmaude... that would be the point!
by P. David
Nov. 25, 2012, 1:31 a.m. CST
The problem with the Thrawn Trilogy—and most of the EU—is that it couldn't be easily retold in feudal Japan, or the old west.
by P. David
Nov. 25, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST
Exactly, Pdb, too much reliance on science-fiction.
by Dan
Which is why also, Star Trek II: WOK works so damn well is that it's not really a sci-fi film, it's maritime, war film, a submarine thriller.. sure its great because it has all the sci-fi gadgets, tropes and vehicles, but it's something more... Think about it, all great movies we love are never just about what they are about... ALIEN STAR WARS THE GODFATHER WIZARD OF OZ CITIZEN KANE Would love to see the story of ALIEN set in Military Fort or a Civil War prison camp.... Think Andersonville with ALIEN!
Nov. 25, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST
I love science-fiction, but there is a time and place for it.
by Dan
Nov. 25, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST
Ziro the Hutt was great, sorry to see him killed...
by Dan
Nov. 25, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
The Oblivious to Irony Thread Post is awarded to ...
by DrMorbius
... your a moron of coarse the prequels impact the world like the OT... by elevator killer H.M. by professor_bedlam Kasdan would have made the prequels a 1000 times better if he was the one aloud to write them!!!
Nov. 25, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST
but he didn't so wipe your nerdy tears and LIVE IN THE NOW!
by Dan
Nov. 26, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST
m6y summed it up beautifully
by Star Hump
Nov. 26, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
Lucas Deserves Credit: He Bankrolled the PT Himself
by RCC
SW used to belong to him, not you, the sad fucks that somehow feel that you have joint ownership. He put HIS money on the line. As an artist, he did not pander to you fucks, all of whom have a different vision of SW to your fellow fucks that hate GL. Seriously the GL-hate is so intense that Red Rails, the first large scale hero action movie with all Black major parts gets ridiculed. Guess what? No major studio has put minorities in a major movie in such prominent positions. GL put his money into that project also. Is Red Tails a great movie? No. But consider that no one before GL gave money to make a shitty action movie with all black leads.... I remember American Ninja, where the black sidekick, who was a real martial artist, played second fiddle to Michael Dudikoff.... Apparently the studio felt that the black sidekick was not "American" enough..... Once again, who will you chimps blame when the new SW does not meet your approval...?
Dec. 4, 2012, 1:35 a.m. CST
Kennedy is buds with Fincher.... wish they would sign him for SW.
by SunTzu77
Dec. 4, 2012, 1:36 a.m. CST
Oh, and don't do the Thrawn series... do something original.
by SunTzu77
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