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Estimating maximum velocity of a car
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Mar7-05, 01:32 PM
Asking for some help here.
I've been working on a speadsheet to estimate the top speed of a car and am running into difficulties. I'm trying to take as much into account as possible, for example aerodynamic drag, drivetrain loss, rolling friction, etc, which probably isn't helping the issue. I've made a fair amount of progress but it's certainly not correct yet.
I've found a few web pages that do something similar, but they don't take as much into account and they tend to use all kinda of weird and wonderful imperial units that make it a nightmare to work anything out with.
If anyone could take a look and give me some pointers, that would be awesome.
Many thanks in advance
Mar8-05, 05:05 PM
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You should use the actual torque curve of the car that you're looking at rather than just the peak power.
Also, drivetrain efficiency is a complicated thing that really can't be estimated very well a priori (it is highly dependent upon speed, gear choice, load, temperature, lubrication types, etc).
You would probably want to find a chassis dyno measurement of the car, which will already "take into account" a lot of the losses. A problem with that is that they aren't necessarily measuring brake power (i.e. power delivered to a "brake" allowing zero acceleration). Most dyno's allow the car to accelerate fairly quickly, so you also have "losses" that go into spinning up the various drivetrain components. The acceleration in these tests has nothing to do with what a car would experience in real life, so this is problematic. Anyway, near top speed, you want measurements that are as close to brake power as possible.
Also, since you seem to like a lot of detail, take into account changes in the air density. This affects both drag and power output. Tires also "grow" a bit at high speeds.
I also don't think your ram air calculation is correct. It probably scales as v^2, and I doubt it would be significant on a car without specially designed intakes (such as an F1 car). "Ram air" intakes on street cars are really just meant to bring in colder air from outside the engine compartment, which is a completely different effect.
Mar8-05, 09:28 PM
Cheers for your reply. I was beginning to wonder if anyone was going to bother.
I know it's quite a lot to look over, so is a lot to ask really, but seemed easier than lots of seperate threads getting each detail right.
I'm more concerned about getting the spreadsheet to work reasonably well with the given data then getting 100% accurate data in the first place, as that's just damn awkward for the majority of cars, particularly if you want to go into detail. Torque curves would be one such problem, although I could simplify it by having it linear between the two known points (at max torque and max power) - I'll add that later.
Since attaching it here I've done a little bit more work to it and cleared up a few issues. I did indeed switch to using a square law for the ram air affect, since the data was for the McLaren F1 I suspect it uses all kinds of wizardy to be as fast as it is (it didn't cost a million dollars for nothing). Also I needed this to get the last few mph in the estimation. I've probably still over-estimated it's affect, as although it's only giving a 2.5% boost around 100mph, by the time the vehicle is travelling at 240mph the ram air device is increasing power by 14%. Normally I would ignore this however, it was just for this example.
I've also added temperature related air density, and used a warmer temperature to get the speed up the last few mph. How the air density affects power is something I would have to completely ignore, as I haven't the faintest idea how to do it, if the electronics are advanced enough to detect and adjust the mixture for it, and what density the engine was measured under in the first place. A nice thought still.
What else: tyre "grow". Hmm, yes, this would be complicated to get working accurately I'd imagine, but you can get around this by guessing the pressure the hot air would would increase the tyre to in the first place. I don't know anything about rubber expansion with temperature, but I'm assuming any such affect would have a negligable affect on the rolling radius.
Anyway cheers for looking and commenting, it's mainly just acceleration I need to get working now, think I'll take a break for a couple of days and come back fresh.
I can attach the improved spreadsheet if anyone would be interested.
Mar9-05, 03:25 AM
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Estimating maximum velocity of a car
A couple more comments:
You don't want to interpolate the torque linearly between the torque and power peaks. The slope of the torque curve at its peak is zero (obviously), but decreasing quite rapidly at the power peak. You can actually find the slope at the power peak just by knowing the power and rpm there. So you can get a quadratic fit using only these two data points.
There are actually standardized empirical formulae relating an engine's output under different atmospheric conditions. When power is stated as SAE or DIN or whatever, those are supposed to represent numbers 'corrected' back to some standard condition. Dyno operators do these calculations (or their computers do), so it should be possible to find the equations online.
As for tire growth, I think the main effect is from centrifugal forces, not temperature. It can actually be quite significant on racing tires, but less so otherwise. If you're looking for a couple mph, the effect might be large enough even on street tires (especially at Mclaren F1 speeds).
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Spending time together as a family is just as important as having fun. Make your next family game night extra special with these ideas.
Pick up sticks is a classic at family game night. Try this easy (and edible!) version of the game to add to the fun.
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Divide into teams of family members (or with guests from another family) to have a friendly video game showdown.
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Here, speed and balance go hand in hand to create an action-packed marble relay.
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This quick-paced game encourages group creativity, and the resulting drawings are often hilarious.
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The Ferris State University men's basketball program has bolstered its current recruiting class with the addition of prep guard/forward Max Gover (Lansing/Catholic Central), who recently announced his intentions to join the Bulldog squad starting with the 2008-09 campaign. The commitment was announced today (May 15) by sixth-year FSU head coach Bill Sall.
The 6-4 Gover led Lansing Catholic Central High School to the Michigan High School Athletic Association (MHSAA) Class B State Championship this past season. His game-winning jumper with 12 seconds remaining lifted the Cougars to a 54-53 win over Flint Powers in the state title game (March 15) at Michigan State University's Breslin Center in East Lansing, Mich.
"Max is a proven winner as evidenced by his team's state championship this past season," Sall said. "He will give us a nice-sized player on the wing who comes from a winning program and tradition.
"Throughout high school, his moniker was his competitiveness and hard-nosed approach, which fits our style of play."
Gover earned 2008 Detroit News Class B All-State Sixth Team accolades after averaging 10.5 points, 5.1 rebounds and 2.1 assists per game in the regular-season prior to an outstanding postseason run. His improved play late in the year enabled Lansing Catholic Central to win its first-ever state title and make its first trip to the state semifinals since 1996. He had 14 points in the Cougars' 64-39 state semifinal triumph over Menominee at the Breslin Center.
A two-time All-Capital Area Activities Conference (CAAC) selection, Gover was also a 2008 Lansing State Journal Class B All-Area pick after helping LCC become Mid-Michigan's first Class B State Champions since Okemos captured the title crown in 1982. The Cougars won more than 20 games in each of his final two seasons under head coach Darren Zwick and claimed their first league title in 22 years during the 2006-07 season. Gover's squad won a second-straight conference championship this season in the CAAC White Division while recording a 23-4 overall record.
A former Blue-Chip Basketball Camp prospect, Gover was ranked as the number seven shooting guard in Michigan's Class of 2008 by Great Lakes Hoops (www.greatlakeshoops.com). The online service also listed Gover as a Mid-Michigan All-Region Class B Honorable Mention choice in 2007-08. In addition, he was regarded as the 30th-best power forward in the state's class this year by Inside Prep Sports. Gover also competed in football as a two-sport athlete at Lansing Catholic Central and played for the Mid-Michigan Lakers AAU (Amateur Athletic Union) Basketball program.
"He has the ability to be a really nice player at the collegiate level as he continues to develop his overall game," said Sall. "We're extremely excited about his addition and pleased he's decided to join our program."
The Ferris men's basketball team posted a 10-19 overall record this past campaign under Sall. The Bulldogs recorded a 5-13 Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (GLIAC) slate this campaign with a young lineup featuring only one senior on the squad. Ferris previously advanced to the NCAA Division II Tournament in both 2004-05 and 2005-06 after claiming back-to-back league titles in 2003-04 and 2004-05 under Sall's direction.


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Liberty and the Post-Utilitarian Society
AbstractUtilitarian foundations for limited government are shaky insofar as they assume rational and consistent individuals. Recently economists' assumption of rational actors has come under sustained attack. Behavioural economics has suggested that people are plagued by irrational biases and inconsistencies. The author elucidates how these developments have led to a post-utilitarianism which is held to justify paternalistic interventions by the state via 'sin taxes', direct bans or new obligations. Individual responsibility is seriously undermined, as is faith in markets. He concludes that supporters of individual freedom need to move away from utilitarian reasoning, reassert core values of autonomy and responsibility, and define strict limits on the scope of government intervention.
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As we noted at the top of this pieces we intentionally released on Autostraddle.com (thanks for your support!), the list is not meant to represent all zines created by QTPOC. Use it as a rabbit hole of sorts on your path toward discovering more queer zines by people of color.
Check the bottom of the last page of the piece for information on how we came up with this list, plus feel free to submit suggestions for the updated list we'll launch with our official POCZP website in Spring of 2014!
This list would not have been possible without the contributions from - and collaboration with - the following folks:
- POCZP founder Daniela Capistrano & artist/activist Nia King
If you have any questions/concerns/love you want to share via email regarding this piece, send away! —> poczineproject [at] gmail dot com
Please help us fulfill our mission to make zines by people of color easy to find, distribute and share by sharing this curated list. Thank you. <3 - POCZP
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POC Zine Project wants to see YOUR #POCZINES Collection
What does your #poczines collection look like? Send us a photo of your shelf/drawer/area under your pillow/etc. & we'll feature it in our #izm2013 reactions post first week of August.
If you only have two zines created by POC, it's still a collection - even if you made both of them!
Deadline: August 28, 2013
PLEASE EMAIL: firstname.lastname@example.com (we are only accepting submissions through email, thanks!)
Please be sure to include the following:
- 1-3 max photos of your #poczines collection (please make sure they are as clear as possible) with photo credit info (the higher resolution the better, thanks!)
- your bio
- any links/contact info you want to share
- info about your own zines that YOU make (optional)
- any of your upcoming/current projects that need some signal boost love. We gotchu boo.
We know many folks collect zines by authors of diverse backgrounds, so it's 100% OK/common if you have a mix of POC and non-POC authored zines in your collection. However, for the purposes of this visibility exercise, we only want to see the zines made by POC in your collection (co-authored with non-POC is fine, as long as editor was/is POC).
WHITE FOLKS: Send photos & info about your #poczines collection as well! We wants to see the #poczines on your shelves too.
Please be sure to also include what POC solidarity looks like in your life, both in theory and in practice.
June 30 is POC Zine Project's One Year Tumblr Anniversary!
On June 30, 2012, The POC Zine Project Tumblr was "born" at Hive Learning Network NYC's Summer Code Party Pop-Up with Tumblr and Mozilla at DCTV. Not only did we receive help from Tumblr staff in setting up this Tumblr, POCZP founder Daniela Capistrano was able to share information in real time about POCZP at the event (see image from that day below) with attendees!
Since June of 2012, POZCP has shared information about zines by people of color and intersectional projects with the Tumblr community. We brought you daily recaps from our first-ever Race Riot! Tour last fall because it was important to us to keep you informed.
For the past year, we've appreciate your submissions, reblogs and feedback. Prior to the launch of the POCZP Tumblr in 2012, we were actively "listening" on Tumblr through private accounts since 2007 — tracking "zine"-tagged posts, observing how folks of color from all walks of life use Tumblr, how zinesters were using Tumblr and figuring out what our short and long term goals are for this space <3
We hope that we help make your Tumblr explorations a fun, inspiring and informative experience. If you've benefitted in any way from our efforts on Tumblr, please consider making a donation of any amount to POC Zine Project.
We are in the process of planning our second Race Riot! Tour and must raise $14,000 to cover the costs of a 20 city national tour, which will take place in October and November of 2013. We've expanded the tour to include cities in the midwest and a date in Mexico. We know we can do it but we need your help. <3 Thanks for your support.
- POC Zine Project
P.S. If you don't have any funds—we hear ya! POCZP is a grassroots organization and we are all volunteers. We have operated without 501(c)(3) status the past three years for a reason: to stay as free as possible, so we can move as quickly as possible. Help the cause by forwarding this link to friends on your social accounts, email and by reblogging. We appreciate the love.
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ZINE SPOTLIGHT: How to Stage a Coup [NOW AVAILABLE ONLINE AND FOR DISTRO]
Earlier this year Helen Luu donated her original flat for How to Stage a Coup: An Insurrection of the Underground Liberation Army (2000) to POCZP, which we scanned just in time for POCZP's participation at Allied Media Conference in Detroit.
Yes, it's here!!!
POCZP's mission is to make zines by people of color easy to find, distribute and share. We are thrilled to share this legacy zine with the world in digital form and will be providing (sliding-scale priced) print copies at all Race Riot! tour events this fall.
HTSAC will be free for all POC attendees at Race Riot! tour events.
***This zine is best viewed online or via mobile in full-screen mode***
TITLE: How to Stage a Coup: An Insurrection of the Underground Liberation Army
EDITOR: Helen Luu
Helen Luu recently edited a compilation zine called How To Stage A Coup, aimed at creating a dialogue among people of color involved in subcultural pursuits (including punk rock) around race, racism and politics. Contributors like Lauren Martin (You Might As Well Live, Quantify), Lynn Hou (Cyanide), Celia Prez (I Dreamed I Was Assertive), Elizabeth Martinez (Colorlines) and Vincent Chung address a wide variety of issues from organizing and identity politics, to activist dynamics and punk rock betrayals. What does it mean to look at the photographs of Third World suffering on the covers of grindcore records? What does it mean to talk about "pride"? Where was the "color" in Seattle/WTO? What comes first – "being brown or being famous"? The contributors to this compilation ask important questions that need asking, again and again, and Helen Luu brings it all together.
Click here for the rest of Mimi's interview, and check out Helen's DJ projects as MissRuckus.
We announced on our Facebook page that we have two digital downloads available:
1) Print version
This version was made from a scan of the original flat. It was created with the intention of sharing with folks for distribution of the print version.
2) Read-version
This is the online-friendly version you can see in the embed above. This file is best viewed in e-readers or printed with the expectation that it will be page by page and not the same as the flat.
We're raising funds to make 200+ print versions of How to Stage a Coup to give away during tour, so we're asking folks interested in gaining access to either files to email email@example.com with information about how they plan to use it.
Based on that info (and our relationship with that person/collective), we will ask for a sliding scale donation in exchange for access to a secure file.
We will be providing free access to both downloads on a case-by-case basis. In the meantime, enjoy the read-only version above.
We look forward to seeing more copies of How to Stage a Coup in circulation and on shelves in venues/zine libraries/archives worldwide!
Please note that, per Luu's donation statement, "This zine and the parts within it are not to be used for profit (paying for expenses is okay though)."
We'll have more details about who follows up to distro and archive How to Stage a Coup in the coming weeks and months.
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Let's Talk About: Zines In The Classroom—Pros and Cons
[DESCRIPTION: Liana Velazquez and her zine "Diffeguajira Mixrand" at KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy]
Words and photos by Liz Mayorga, POCZP West Coast Coordinator
I met Liana Velazquez while working at KIPP: San Francisco Bay Academy, a charter school. Liana came in to enroll as a 5th grader. She was shy, but her eyes did not miss a detail. She studied the office as well as the people in it. I soon learned that Liana was not normally reserved. She had just moved to San Francisco from Cuba. Liana was about to start school in a new country, where everything - especially the language - felt foreign. She suffered in school because of the language barrier. Not only did she have a hard time understanding the lessons, but she felt alienated from her classmates. Liana spent a lot of time in the office, where I tutored her. I translated some of her assignments and helped her with her English.
Three years have passed. In that time, I have witnessed Liana's curiosity and persistence grow even more.
This year, it came through in her writing. Her eighth grade English teacher, Mr. Patrone, encouraged her to continue writing as many stories as possible. He had his students keep a journal, and Liana's was filled with a series of short stories (both fictional and personal). Patrone and I are good friends, so I always ask him about the kids. He was happy to tell me about Liana's progress. "It would be awesome to see her and the other kids push their creativity. See where it will take them," he said.
We brainstormed ways in which to encourage creative freedom, while following the school's curriculum. I suggested zines. Patrone agreed that a zine workshop would be a perfect way to end the school year, so after the students finished their CSTs, he assigned a zine project. I came in a once a week (for the last three weeks of school) to look through the student's work and give them feedback. I was impressed by everyone's projects. They wrote book reviews, song lyrics, created amazing visual art, and told stories about the things that mattered to them. Even the kids who were "too cool" to care became interested in their assignment.
I asked Patrone if I could give one of these kids a zinester spotlight. He checked with the administration to make sure it was okay, and then he told me to look at Liana Velazquez's zine. I was not surprised to know her zine was phenomenal. What did surprise me was how much her creativity had flourished in such a short amount of time.
Patrone and I set some time aside for me to interview Liana about her zine. Our interview took place on Friday, May 24, 2013.
Liana Velazquez embraces both languages, Cuban Spanish and English, and after three years of living in the United States, dealing with language barriers, and feeling out of place, Liana has gained the confidence she needs to let her creativity shine through. Liana writes stories about love, family, and her ever-changing identity.
Her final 8th grade English assignment was to create a zine, and it proved to be the perfect platform to portray the world, as rich and complicated as she sees it.
She named her zine "Diffeguajira Mixrand," and she explains: "Diffe stands for different and where I grew up guajiros are really humble (people). They're poor, but they're always going to give something to you. You can always trust them, and they're my people – the people I grew up with."
[DESCRIPTION: The cover of Liana Velazquez's zine "Diffeguajira Mixrand"]
Each letter in the title forms a symbol. "Here I drew a little boat," she points to the D, "because that's what my dad really likes. He doesn't have that anymore, since he lives here. We used to live by the ocean, and in Cuba, the ocean is beautiful." Liana dotted the "I" with a candle light. "The candle protected us from the mosquitos," she said. She looks at the "A" in "Mixrand," which resembles a butterfly's wing and says "The butterfly I put there because my mom loves them. I wanted to represent both my parents. And this…" She points to the bottom of the cover, "This is the address of the house I grew up in. I never forgot it. I forget a lot of stuff, like I forget names, and I always forget my address here, but I never forgot my address in Cuba."
[DESCRIPTION: "Broken Ears," from Liana Velazquez's zine "Diffeguajira Mixrand"]
Liana combined all of the things that make up her identity and the daily challenges that come with love, family, and acclimating to a new country as young woman. When Liana first attended KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy, she spent her lunchtime in the office, turning to the only people in the school who spoke Spanish - the custodian, the secretary, and her bilingual peers – to translate her assignments for her. Communication was a struggle.
But three years later, Mr. Patrone (the eighth grade teacher), asked Liana and her classmates to write in their composition books every day, and Liana was surprised to see how much she had to say.
"At first, I thought it was too much," Liana says. "I have all this homework and then I have to write, and I was afraid I couldn't handle it. But then I got into it. I started writing down things, and I showed it to my cousin. She thought it was good. I showed it to Mr. Patrone and he encouraged me to write more. And I couldn't stop. I wanted to keep writing. I would stay up late, until 1, 2, 3 in the morning, but it was worth it."
[DESCRIPTION: "My Admiration is touch," from Liana Velazquez's zine "Diffeguajira Mixrand"]
Even though Liana already had a love for words and storytelling, this zine project proved to be particularly liberating. The idea of showing her work to other people also encouraged her to put more thought into each piece, and the visual art motivated her to create something amazing. "I was thinking that color was important," she says, "In the journal, I was just writing. But here, since it's a zine I know that people do drawings, but I decided to do this because the colors, the red and blue represent flag. And everything represents Cuba and me and everything that I believe in."
[DESCRIPTION: Excerpt from Liana Velazquez's zine "Diffeguajira Mixrand"]
Liana's "Diffeguajiro Mixrand" is an example of how zines help teenagers express much more than words and break through creative freedom. With a mixed media approach to writing, teenagers also have a visual and tactile way to share their thoughts. The realm of communication expands, and people capture multiple pieces of their reality.
By POCZP founder Daniela Capistrano
Liana Velazquez's story is a positive example of what a zine-making classroom experience can be like. Her final 8th grade English assignment at KIPP San Francisco Bay Academy was to create a zine and it was clearly an affirming experience for her. I'm happy that POCZP member Liz was in the classroom to support students, as she knows her stuff, when it comes to zine history and contributions by POC in zine & DIY culture.
Unfortunately, this is not every young person of color's experience when they are first introduced to zine-making, zine culture and history in an academic setting.
During last year's Race Riot! tour, I listened to—among other things—stories by POC attendees who shared their first introduction to zines. Depending on their age, digital literacy and other factors, feedback ran the gamut of being introduced to a zine by a friend, at a punk show, through Tumblr or as a classroom assignment.
What I noticed was that the younger the person was (23 and younger), the more likely they discovered zines this way:
1) On the Internet (Tumblr, Facebook, Pinterest, Twitter, Instagram, intentionally searching for a specific title, etc.)
2) At a punk/DIY/house show
3) A friend gave them a zine or brought them to a zine event
4) As a (mandatory or optional) class assignment
From these four responses, a mandatory class assignment was the one that raised the most questions—and concerns—for me, and here's why:
After one of our academic speaking engagements on the tour, a young woman of color approached and asked to speak with me privately. She didn't want other students to hear her question, so we moved away from the crowd.
This young woman shared that she was experiencing a lot of anxiety around a classroom assignment given to her by a white male professor at the university where I was speaking with POCZP. She was supposed to make a perzine and include personal details about her "culture" and "experiences as a woman." I didn't ask her to clarify what the class was about because it didn't matter—already this whole situation sounded really problematic.
What I did ask her was if her anxiety stemmed from this being a graded assignment, and she said yes. I asked her if divulging personal information about herself and her family for a graded assignment made her uncomfortable, and she said yes. She looked surprised that I knew these were her biggest concerns, but unfortunately this is not a new story to me.
I then asked her if this was her first time making a zine, and she nodded yes. She leaned forward and whispered, with a nervous look on her face, "How should I make my zine? What should I put it in it?"
That is when I took a deep breathe and gave her a longer and more personalized version of what I am about to share with you all now:
"I am truly sorry that your first introduction to zine-making is through an academic institution. No one should be telling you that there is one set way to make a zine. No one should be requiring you to make a perzine as part of your overall grade.
The only way I could ever see this being justified is if you were a design, journalism, or communications major and enrolled in a class called 'zine-making,' and you knew that the expectation was that you would be graded on zine-making (within the parameters established by the instructor, which would be clearly spelled out in advance in the syllabus). That zine-making assignment would NEVER be a perzine, because the teacher would know and understand the history and culture of zines, and that grading someone on a perzine is like following a stranger into the toilet and grading the quality of their piss and shit. It is completely inappropriate.
I am sorry that you are experiencing anxiety when you think about making this zine for your class. I wish that instead you were feeling excited and inspired to share your stories, art, insights—and to experiment with art and design. It must be really hard to get into a positive headspace about your first zine, when you know you are going to be graded on detailing personal issues about your life for a white male professor, who has no right to make this a requirement for any class, ever.
I think it's a huge sign of unchecked privilege for a white male professor to require any student to make a perzine and then grade their output. Your private family life and "cultural" details are none of his damn business. Here is a person who is clearly trying to be "hip" without considering the fact that sometimes, a zine assignment is not the best or most appropriate way to connect with your students or articulate a concept.
So here's what we know: you're going to be graded on this zine whether you like it or not. You could fight it—you could take it above his head and explain to the powers-that-be that this teacher has no business requiring you to disclose personal information for a graded assignment, but I'm not going to tell you to do that. You need to do what's right for you.
But can I make a suggestion about how to approach this, if you do decide to make this perzine for your class to avoid getting a "bad" grade?
Don't think of this as your first perzine or zine, because it's not. It's not really your zine. You are making something for a teacher's unrealistic and inappropriate expectations. Don't feel like you have to disclose anything you don't want to in this zine—think of this like any other assignment you would have in a class where you know that the only way to get a good grade is to do what the teacher thinks is right, and to write that down.
So, what has your teacher indicated is the "right" way to make a zine? If you're unclear about format, size and content, there are plenty of tutorials online that detail this information. Ask your teacher to name an example of a perzine that he likes, try to find it (or the general equivalent) and then follow that format. This way, you know what he's looking for. You can find many examples of perzines athttp://zinelibrary.info/english/personal.
Make sure that there is no way he can slash your grade based on design flaws. Give him something that—from a purely technical point of view—falls under the category of "aesthetically pleasing" and only include the most basic personal information you feel comfortable sharing. Don't compromise yourself (only you know what that would look like).
You could even make up an entirely fictional story and call it personal details from your life—that is what I would do, actually. How is he going to know? Let him believe what he wants to believe—he already believes that it's acceptable for him to assume that everyone is just like him: totally free to share private details about their lives without any consequences, and grade them based on that presumed freedom.
If you don't feel comfortable calling your teacher out privately or publicly, don't. Do what make sense for you. Only you can make that call. Do what you need to do to feel safe.
After you turn in that "made in the belly of white privilege" fake zine and you get the A, you should feel free - if you want - to forget you ever made that zine. That wasn't your first zine. That was the convoluted outcome of a teacher out of touch with his privilege. A zine is not materiality forced out of you by a white male instructor.
A zine is an extension of yourself. You define that, not him or anyone else.
You don't have to hate the zine you made for class—you may even end up enjoying the process and the final product. You may decide that this zine does in fact reflect who you are, but don't put unnecessary pressure on yourself if you can't make up your mind about it immediately.
Take what you can from the experience of what it's like to make a zine for a class requirement, but don't feel bad if you don't like the zine either, or still feel anxiety when it's done. What you are experiencing is the totally normal cognitive dissonance one feels when someone tries to quantify the value of your inner world through forcing you to make a perzine and then grading it.
Don't let this experience of making a zine turn you off from the medium itself, or the practice. Imagine what your first zine experience would have been like if you had been sitting at a bus stop, and next to you was a small little photocopied, stapled book, and inside were hand-drawn comics, copies of photos, and personal stories that made you laugh, cry and think. You suddenly found yourself caring for someone you never met — all because you found their zine.
You took the zine home and placed it on a shelf in your room for safekeeping, and that night you dreamt about the zine YOU would make that weekend at home — the one that someone else might discover one day.
If you decide to refuse to make this zine and take your concerns to the administration, or to make it anyway—I support your choice. But don't let white male privilege in the classroom damage your perception of zine-making or zine culture. It does belong to you, and you get to define what that means for you—not him."
Educators: Be in tune with what motivates you to introduce zine-making into your lesson plan. Ask yourself these questions:
1) Why do I care about introducing zine-making and zine culture to my students? What relevant information should I be sharing with them about zine culture and history — and how do my own privileges inform how I prioritize this information?
2) Does it make sense for me to only talk about zines made by white people to a classroom full of primarily students of color?
3) Is it really necessary for me to grade the zines—can they simply get a pass or fail based on completing the assignment?
4) What am I leaving out of my retelling of zine history that is silencing and oppressive to my students of color?
5) If I don't have much information about zines by people of color, what steps will I take to educate myself BEFORE introducing zines to my students?
COMMUNITY: If you are an educator or youth workshop facilitator who uses zines in the classroom, send us your experiences to firstname.lastname@example.com with "zine teacher" as the subject line. We want to share a wide range of voices on this topic. Also, feel free to leave your comments in a reblog.
Want more? Read POCZP Midwest Coordinator Joyce's recap of her zine-making experience with an all Native girl scout troop.
"Let's Talk About" is an experimental series by POCZP created to share communal knowledge, resources and reflections on a wide range of topics affecting communities of color.
If you are a person of color—or a white person with a history of supporting POC Zine Project— who wants to contribute to "Let's Talk About," submit to email@example.com with "Let's Talk About" in the subject line.
All submissions to "Let's Talk About" will be compiled into a zine (print & digital) that will be released by POCZP in December of 2013.
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I really can not praise these tights enough. I went into my trip very skeptical about this product but after my first day of hiking 11 hours straight, over steep terrain and intense scree fields, I can say that my skepticism went away real quick. I tried doing the same trip the year before without compression tights and was unsuccessful. I am not implying it was solely due to the pants but because of a serious injury obtained years ago, I am not able to handle sustained impact to one of my legs. This year was far less painful and easier on my joints. That I can assure was due to the pants.
During my four day, 50+ mile excursion, I never once took the tights off (except of course to go to the bathroom). I was worried That I would get hot in the 80 degree temperatures but because of their ability to breath and wic, I never once was too hot or too cold during the cool nights.
Another factor that really stood out was my ability to recover extremely quick. Due to our tight schedule, I was not awarded the luxury of proper sleep. That being said, I was extremely impressed with the way my legs felt in the morning. Even
after our 18 hour summit day, only having three hours of sleep my legs were not overly sore and I was able to hike the 11 miles out to our pickup point.
Needless to say, I will never do another long trek without these tights on. I absolutely swear by them.
I really can not thank Jeni Nash, from Backcountry enough for leading me onto this amazing product. It's an aspect of gear that so easily gets overlooked until you actually use it.
Pants off dance off!
Jeni Nash
Member since
^^^^^^^^^^! Yeah! All of that! What he said!
From the summit of Gannett Peak
Jeni Nash
Member since
Great gear makes hiking your hiney off even MORE enjoyable! Pants off dance off!
The Comfort/Support I so richly deserve!
Brad Bleak
Member since
- Gender: Male
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
- Fit: True to size
I started using these for Ice Hockey & before I remembered to keep them in my hockey bag I would really miss them during games; honestly I felt weaker & more fatigued without them (especially in the 3rd period).
I've used them for backpacking now (females will be disapointed but I wear pants over them) or anytime I'm going for long hikes (esp with weight on me in a backpack or daypack)...they are an essential for these activities.
I'm not quite bold enough to be out on the town with these on (the few times I've gone running I wear b-ball shorts over them...sorry ladies!) but they do:
Give me the COMFORT & SUPPORT I so richly deserve & they are worth every penny (if you don't put them in the dryer & follow washing instructions) they last a really long time); definitely feel like I have an EXTRA LAYER OF MUSCLE every time I strap these bad boys on...HUGE FAN!!!
Also, if you can't decide on a size & are tied on CW-X's chart GO FOR THE SMALLER SIZE, you won't regret it, this is compression after all...YOU BUY NOW, trust me Broseph.


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