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It was their first introduction to the world as Princess Mary and Crown Prince Frederik of Denmark left hospital today with their new twins.
Waving Danish flags, well-wishers gathered by the hundreds to get their first glimpse of the newest members of the royal family who were born on January 8.
The couple's new son and daughter were born a half an hour apart and will be fourth and fifth in line to the throne respectively.
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Is The Oilers Drafting Record Really THAT Bad? (2003)
I'm going to miss those WBS Penguins uniforms. This is Marc Pouliot, one of 5 Oiler picks from 2003 who've spent time in the show already.
Unlike the 2001 and 2002 drafts, the 2003 version has Edmonton well behind in terms of having the best player taken in the division (Phaneuf, Brent Burns, Ryan Kesler and Brad Richardson are all clear of 100 NHL games) but 5 is a pretty big number considering one of the seasons since summer 2003 was the lockout.
Here's the NW games played:
MINNESOTA: Brent Burns (185), Patrick O'Sullivan (44)
CALGARY: Dion Phaneuf (161)
EDMONTON: Marc Pouliot (54), JF Jacques (44), Zack Stortini (29), Kyle Brodziak (16), Mathieu Roy (17)
VANCOUVER: Ryan Keslert (158), Nathan McIver (1)
COLORADO: David Liffiton (3), Brad Richardson (114)
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- Minnesota 229
- Calgary 161
- Edmonton 160
- Vancouver 159
- Colorado 117
- Calgary drafted 9th overall and had 9 picks.
- Minnesota drafted 20th overall and had 9 picks.
- Edmonton drafted 22nd overall and had 12 picks.
- Vancouver drafted 23rd overall and had 10 picks.
- Colorado drafted 63rd overall and had 8 picks.
- Minnesota again had the best draft so far, and Patrick O'Sullivan is just getting started.
- Calgary got Phaneuf.
- Edmonton got 5 guys, with Pouliot likely the best of the 5.
- Vancouver got a nice player in Ryan Kesler.
- Colorado did a nice job picking up Richardson despite not choosing until 63rd.
This was a very deep draft, the deepest of the three we're looking at right now. The Oilers dealt down in an effort to get another pick (JFJ) but gave up the chance to select Zach Parise. I don't think this is a draft we can point to as being a weak spot for the Oilers.
One final note here: I noticed in the comments section of the 2001 draft a mention or two of Jean Francois Jacques and his ineffectiveness at the NHL level. While I can agree he's been quite poor, it's important to remember what an unusual prospect he is, and despite the poor play his skills should eventually make him an NHL regular.
Jean Francois Jacques hasn't looked it at the NHL level, but he's an extremely unique player.

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It's that time of year! Your yard is probably covered in leaves. If you haven't already raked them up, there are a lot of options as to what to do with them.
In Cape Girardeau, there is curbside collection, Wednesday special pickup, free drop off and composting.
The City of Cape Girardeau recently bought a new automated leaf truck which allows them to pick up leaves more frequently and quickly.
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ADELBODEN, Switzerland (AP) — Marcel Hirscher of Austria mastered a classic Swiss slope yet again Sunday, winning a World Cup slalom to seize the lead in the overall and discipline standings.
Hirscher, the two-time defending overall champion, sliced through the gates on the steep final slope to beat Andre Myhrer of Sweden by 0.29 seconds.
Teenager Henrik Kristoffersen of Norway was third, trailing 0.66 behind Hirscher's combined two-run time of 1 minute, 49.75 seconds.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - College students dependent on work-study programs and federal grants will have a hard time making up for reduced funding in the new school year as federal budget cuts take hold.
The so-called sequester officially kicked in on Friday, stripping millions of dollars from several financial aid programs that colleges and universities rely on to entice students.
The biggest cuts - about $86 million - will be to the Federal Work-Study (FWS) and Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grant (FSEOG) programs, which help low-income students pay for undergraduate education, according to data from the Office of Management and Budget.
In addition, students will see a small increase in student loan origination fees, which will total $82 million. Other indirect effects could come from a $71 million cut to student aid administration funds.
Parents and students are apt to find themselves scrounging to make up for financial aid already granted but now slated to be reduced.
"Students and parents will start getting their award letters in the coming weeks, and presumably (the cuts are) just going to create more uncertainty for them," said Justin Draeger, president of the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators (NASFAA). Many schools, he said, had been notified of the association's tentative expectations before Congress failed to beat its March 1 deadline but may have already sent out award letters.
After the cuts are implemented, Draeger said, parents and students could be forced to take out more loans at a time when student loan debt is already a growing crisis.
A report from the New York Federal Reserve Bank last week found a sharp spike in delinquent student loans.
"Financial aid administrators are frustrated, and part of the frustration comes from the empathy they feel for parents and students. There just continues to be uncertainty year after year about the funding levels and benefits that students have available to them," said Draeger.
The University of California, Davis, is expecting at least $180,000 in cuts to the FWS and FSEOG programs, unless Congress can reach a deal before the sequester starts to bite.
Translated into people, the school could offer about 38 fewer FWS jobs and about 18 fewer FSEOG scholarships. Those students would have gotten about $3,000 for each work-study award and about $4,000 for each FSEOG grant for the school year.
Katy Maloney, director of financial aid, says the school doesn't have the resources to make up for the cuts and will be sending students notices about the changes.
"If you were planning to get a work-study job and you can't get a regular job, we might see more students getting more student loans," Maloney said.
Other schools are optimistic that they may have more flexibility, including Syracuse University in New York, which is expecting to lose about $350,000 in FWS and FSEOG programs.
Although "it's going to obviously cause us to rethink how we do a couple of things on campus," said Ryan Williams, associate vice president for enrollment at Syracuse, the university plans to use internal funds to keep the same level of financial aid for students. "I know there are schools out there (that) don't have the endowments to make up the difference," he said.
The Federal Pell Grant Program, which provides billions of dollars in grants to low-income college students, will not be immediately affected. That's because the Balanced Budget and Emergency Deficit Control Act of 1985 protects it from sequestration through the 2013-2014 school year. That could change later if nothing is done.
Colleges and universities are also expecting cuts to some of their research programs.
"If Congress doesn't ultimately replace the sequester with something else, these are (research and aid) cuts for 10 years," said Draeger of the NASFAA.
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From Brock Lesnar/Fedor Emelianenko nearly happening and Ed Soares saying Anderson Silva would prefer inferior competition to the past week's results, 411's Wyatt Beougher has you covered one last time in Five Quick Rounds!
Welcome, friends, to
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, 411's fastest-finishing weekly opinion column. For the last time, I'll be your host, Wyatt Beougher, and this is the big one. Fortunately, there was plenty of MMA news to cover this week, not least of which was UFC Hall of Famer Matt Hughes' retirement. I was going to dedicate a round to that story, but then I realized I didn't want Hughes' farewell to active competition upstaging my farewell to this column, so you'll just have to deal with it. I know the 411 tradition is to put all the acknowledgment/thanks at the end of the column, but I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who ever makes it that far (and, honestly, I don't even do that every week), so it's going here. First off, thanks to Larry Csonka and Ashish for giving me the tremendous opportunity to make my opinions known for the past year and change, and I'd be disingenuous if I said I could've done it without them, because I literally couldn't. Larry is seriously the greatest boss in the world, which is why I'm still hanging around (and why so many of the other "retired" guys still show up from time to time). To Jeremy and Samer and Jeff and Jonathan and all the other guys who had kind words for me when I first took over this column - I probably would've quit if it weren't for all of you, and I value your opinions more than you probably will ever realize. To the Frenchies - thanks for taking the heat off of me and being the butt of all of the jokes during what should've been my rookie hazing, and especially to Stew, for taking what I wrote on Tuesday, copying the good bits, and then making it much funnier (and far more gratuitously filled with T&A) on Wednesdays. And, lastly, and truly most of all, thanks to TBerg for giving me the opportunity to participate in Fact or Fiction long before I ever wrote for this site. I literally wouldn't be here today if it weren't for him, and I certainly wouldn't have had the privilege of hosting Fact or Fiction (which, as I mentioned, I'm going to continue to do).
Oh, crap, I forgot about Dustin, didn't I? Thanks for making sure I wasn't the least coherent, least likable guy on the 411 MMA roster for the majority of my time on this column. Couldn't have done it without you, bud.
Alright, now that you've successfully skipped the mushy crap, let's get to the news one last time, shall we?
Round 1: UFC on FOX 6 Features the Flyweights
UFC held their sixth FOX show on Saturday night, and it ended up being a solid card with some great fights throughout the prelims and the main card. As always, I'll be focusing on the main card, but if you can catch the prelims somewhere, I'd highly recommend it. In the opening bout, Ricardo Lamas defeated Erik Koch with a brutal series of punches and elbows at 2:32 of the second round. Anthony Pettis needed just 2:35 to deliver a crushing liver kick that ended Donald Cerrone's night. Glover Teixeira took three rounds on two judges' cards and two on the third in winning a unanimous decision victory over Quinton Jackson. In the main event, flyweight champion Demetrious Johnson retained his title in a very hotly contested five round fight, picking up the unanimous decision.
You have to feel for Erik Koch, who lost his title shot when Jose Aldo was in a motorcycle accident and who will now be lucky to sniff the title scene again before 2014, but kudos to Lamas for putting together a solid win streak. A lot of talk has been around pairing Lamas with the Korean Zombie, and if you don't want to see that fight, you're probably not an MMA fan. The winner of that fight would certainly have earned a title shot against the winner of this weekend's Jose Aldo/Frankie Edgar fight, and it should be a fun little scrap to boot. As for Anthony Pettis, it looks like he'll finally get a UFC lightweight title shot, but I don't like his odds against either Benson Henderson or Gilbert Melendez. Henderson has improved tremendously since losing to Pettis (even winning 411 Fighter of the Year for 2012), and I think Pettis is going to go into the fight looking to do something flashy, and it's going to cost him against whoever the champ may be. Glover Teixeira thoroughly outfought Quinton Jackson, and I think it's safe to say his "Rampage" days are over. With Hollywood not exactly knocking down his door, I wouldn't be surprised if Jeremy Lambert is right and Rampage looks to the world of professional wrestling from here. He's had a very respectable MMA career, he's made a tremendous amount of money, and I just don't think his heart's been in fighting since he backed out of the Rashad fight to make
The A-Team
. And the flyweights...I made a statement in tomorrow's Fact or Fiction about Demetrious Johnson potentially hurting the growth of the Flyweight Division because he's absolutely not a finisher, but the more I think about it, the more I think he might be good for the division, simply because the UFC already has three dominant champions in GSP, Anderson Silva, and Bones (arguably five, if you count Cain and Rousey) and seeing a fighter who can lose rounds early and then come back to win the fight could actually be a nice change for a division still looking to establish itself.
Round 2: Bellator 86 Showcases King Mo and Ben Askren
Bellator 86 was live on Spike last Thursday and the main card featured two welterweight quarterfinal bouts for this season's tournament, as well as King Mo's Bellator debut and Ben Askren defending his welterweight title against Karl Amoussou. In the night's opening fight, Ben Saunders took all three rounds from Koffie Adzitso to advance to the welterweight quarterfinals, and former tournament winner Douglas Lima joined him in the next round, using punishing leg kicks throughout the first round and opening minutes of the second that left his opponent, Michail Tsarev, unable to continue the fight. Muhammed Lawal made his long-awaited Bellator debut, and he needed just under four minutes to dispatch the heavily-overmatched Przemyslaw Mysiala, landing a perfect punch to the jaw that ended Mysiala's night. In the main event, Ben Askren actually showed some killer instinct, beating up Karl Amoussou from the guard until he earned a doctor's stoppage at the end of round 3.
Bellator's second show on SpikeTV did an excellent job of continuing the momentum of their debut, featuring solid action and three finishes out of the four fights on the main card. Saunders is always going to be a dark horse in these tournaments, and while I doubt he'll be able to get past Douglas Lima if they face off in the semis or finals of the tournament, he's still a very solid, very dangerous fighter. Bellator got all they could ask for out of King Mo - he came out and looked like a star, using good head movement to avoid the majority of Mysiala's strikes and then landing a big punch that won him the fight. Mo's pretty obviously the biggest fish in Bellator's small light heavyweight pond, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him with gold around his waist by June or July. I'll admit that I thought it was foolish for Bellator to put Askren in the main event of their second show, because I thought his lay and pray style of fighting would've been exactly the thing to lose Bellator the additional viewers that they picked up in their Spike debut, but I give him all the credit in the world for actually attempting to finish the fight, and then being able to beat Amoussou down so bad that it was actually stopped. The picture up there says it all, I think.
Round 3:
Rick Hawn to Donate Extra Sponsor Check to Charity
Matt Hughes Retires
Originally, I was going to talk about how Rick Hawn had one of his sponsors cancel a $1500 sponsorship check after his loss to Michael Chandler last week, and how Bjorn Rebney actually did something good by sending Hawn a check for the amount, and how Hawn subsequently decided to donate that check to either an animal shelter or a homeless shelter. But between Hawn and his sponsor, it's a case of "he said-he said" and I don't really want to get into that mess, so I'll just say kudos to Hawn for doing the right thing even when it appears that his sponsor wouldn't. But seriously man,
Confession: Matt Hughes got me back into MMA. I started watching at the beginning, thanks to an insanely cool high school gym teacher who taught us CPR (as was mandated by the state) and then thought that UFC was more beneficial than any other health-related curriculum, and I followed what Randy Couture was doing from his UFC debut up until his current retirement, but it was the Matt Hughes/Royce Gracie fight that really got me back into the sport as a whole. I remember there being a palpable level of excitement for the fight amongst my male coworkers, something that had previously been reserved exclusively for Tennessee Volunteers football up to that point in my 14 months in the Knoxville area. I remember going to Hooters with a couple of guys from work to watch the show, and I can still feel the excitement running through the crowd like an electric current as the main event started. Up to that point, it had been pretty raucous (as you can imagine when you combine Southerners, attractive young women in revealing clothing, and alcohol), but the din died down drastically as the opening bell rang and the fight began. Less than five minutes later, the decibel level had doubled from the pre-fight range and I can assure you that a great many ounces of beer were consumed in the five minutes immediately following Hughes' stoppage of the UFC legend. In recent years, Hughes saw the sport pass him by, and he struggled with younger, faster competitors who could keep the fight standing and exploit his striking defense. Considering he last fought in 2011, I think Matt knew that it was time to hang up the gloves, and kudos to him for doing so when he did, rather than trying to hang on to past glories while risking further damage to his brain like some of his peers have done. And while Randy Couture will always be my favorite fighter, there's always going to be a special place in my heart for "The Country Boy" for reminding me just how much I really loved this sport.
Round 4: Ed Soares is Still a Douche
In an interview last week, Ed Soares, manager and
translator of UFC middleweight champion Anderson Silva, mentioned that he didn't think his client was interested in a fight with Chris Weidman. Soares mentioned the GSP fight in passing, but said that he thought Anderson wanted to fight Cung Le, who he felt was on an impressive win streak and had a bigger fan following than Weidman. UFC President Dana White responded that he has to go through this Soares nonsense every time he proposed a fight for Silva, and that the UFC was waiting to see if something else fell into place before they officially announced anything regarding Silva's next fight.
With Michael Bisping's loss last Saturday, Weidman's name almost immediately leapt to the top of the list of fighters who could next face Anderson Silva. Weidman is 5-0 in the UFC, has beaten two (at the time) top 5 middleweights in his last two fights, and he's been campaigning to fight the champion ever since he finished Mark Munoz last year. So of course Ed Soares would say that Silva wants to fight Cung Le, a forty-year-old part-time fighter with Hollywood aspirations in the midst of a two-fight winning streak after being KOed by Wanderlei Silva. And that's 2011 Wanderlei Silva, not the 2005 variety when it actually wouldn't have hurt Le's title aspirations all that much. Disclaimer: I loathe Ed Soares, so this doesn't surprise me a bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if Weidman's name isn't on the marquee across from Silva's when the "something else" (likely the GSP superfight) doesn't actually fall into place. While I doubt Weidman will be the man to unseat the most dominant champion in UFC history, he's at least got the tools to do so, as he is an above average MMA wrestler who actually has the ability to finish a fight from the top (unlike Chael Sonnen).
Round 5: Brock/Fedor?!?
In an interview after UFC on FOX 6 on Saturday night, Dana White revealed that the UFC was nearly able to put together a Brock Lesnar/Fedor Emelianenko fight in August of last year, and that the fight was tentatively slated to headline the Dallas Cowboys Stadium show that never materialized. According to White, negotiations with Fedor were all but finalized when Emelianenko's father died, causing the Last Emperor to remain retired so that he could spend the rest of his days with his family rather than in a training facility. Brock Lesnar, who had already returned to the WWE by that point, had agreed to come back to MMA to face Emelianenko, but when the Russian opted for retirement, Lesnar decided to remain a sports entertainer and farmer.
Man, talk about what could've been. This would've been a huge one-off fight for the UFC, and to know that it was so close to happening is certainly a huge disappointment to this MMA fan. As someone who spends a lot of time away from my family because of my occupation, I certainly can't fault Fedor for his decision, as I'd never begrudge a man more time at home with the people that he loves. But as an MMA fan, I almost wish Dana had never revealed this information, because it's a very real disappointment to know that a dream fight like Lesnar/Emelianenko was
to being real (even if it would've come about two years after its optimal date).
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Students at Deer Valley High School will be able to compete in state tournaments again, and the district says it's taking action against staff members that led to the team's ineligibility.
On Monday, the Arizona Interscholastic Association voted unanimously to make the football team eligible to play in state playoffs.
The Deer Valley Unified School District said in a statement Monday, "It was Deer Valley's belief that students should not be held accountable for the actions of adults."
DVUSD said they cannot comment on personnel issues, but says the district "has taken appropriate administrative and disciplinary actions."
On Oct. 8, the probationary status for Deer Valley was listed for all programs except football, "as a result of the Arizona Interscholastic Association's appeal hearing."
The AIA had placed Deer Valley High School's entire athletic department on probation for playing two ineligible students during the first varsity football game of the season.
"Based on the information the board received, in the last meeting on Monday, it was the principal and the athletic director who made the decision to say to the coach, 'Go ahead and play these kids,'" said AIA Associate Executive Director and Chief Operating Officer Chuck Schmidt.
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"This is the first time where a principal and athletic director knowingly violated the bylaw, willingly violated a bylaw, even though they'd been advised not to," Schmidt said.
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While under probation, players said the football team continued to train and play as if a postseason was guaranteed.
"We're still going to go out there and work really hard," said DVHS varsity football slot receiver Santana Gonzalez during an interview prior to the lift on the probation. "Nothing can really break us apart at this point."
Among the concerns by players and parents was that college careers could be on the line if they couldn't show their stuff during playoffs.
"The recruiters will see you more," said quarterback Devon Palomino about the importance of making an appearance during the playoff season. "They'll see that you're able to win; you're able to put out a good record out there. And that's what they like to see."
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The Shumlin administration has been racing since late 2011 to restore the in-patient capacity lost when Tropical Storm Irene rendered uninhabitable the 52-bed state psychiatric hospital in Waterbury. After false starts elsewhere, officials finally landed on a piece of state-owned land in Middlesex, where the town zoning board last month approved a secure facility on Route 2 near the state police barracks.
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Advocates, emergency room doctors and lawmakers all say the Middlesex facility will provide a relief valve for a mental health system still reeling from the 2011 flood. While additional psychiatric beds in Brattleboro and Burlington have accommodated some patients, hospital emergency rooms have been forced to take in acutely mentally ill people with nowhere else to go.
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The Middlesex project is part of a plan approved by lawmakers last year that aims to decentralize the in-patient mental health system by replacing the Vermont State Hospital with smallerfacilities around the state.
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A temporary eight-bed facility in Morrisville will also come online soon, which advocates are also counting on to absorb some of the patients now being subjected to lengthy stays in emergency departments.
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There is a classical music tradition in the UK, mainly with composers from the 20th Century, like Elgar, Vaughn-Williams, Walton, Havergal Brian, Holst, Delius, etc., but i don't think it rubbed off on prog bands that much.
It is important to not speak of the German prog scene as just "Krautrock", and to generalize from that position. There are important Symphonic Prog bands from Germany like Triumvirat and Wallenstein, that did connect with the Austro-German classical music tradition in some ways.
Austria does have a prog band scene, though, admittedly, not very high profile. The only band that comes to mind that i have heard is Vita Nova, but there are others.
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Vous etes francais? Have you heard Asia Minor's first album? That's my favorite French prog album (they sing in English, however). Second would probably be HALLOWEEN, by Pulsar, although truth be told, I only need to listen to the first 10 minutes of it or so (which is utterly brilliant). I also really like Jarre's two big ones, and Ponty's 70s work. I agree with what you are saying, though. As a francophile, I was disapointed that I couldn't find any really great French prog, sung in French. Finally gave up. There's so much chanson francaise/variete that I enjoy though (which most French think I'm a total nerd for admitting to liking, such as Souchon and Obispo and Cabrel and Daho, et al :-) et Noir Desir, bien sur! ;-)
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Isn't Ange good enough for those wanting to get some french prog? I have some Ange albums in my to-get list at the moment.
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It's not too hard, really.
You take the movies from the time in those countries, the writers in those countries, and then the painters ... and you can see who is progressive or not.
German -- it's clearly defined in Edgar Froese's words in the Krautrock special ... and it also went for film, theater and art.
French -- Probably more history minded and such, in general any experimental and progressive out of that country was either like ... Heldon ... or Ange ... but the problem is ... how do you rate Alan Stivell, from Brittany? ... he's so varied and at times progressive, to the point of embarassing folks that never heard the mixes he has!
Italy -- I always though more classical music minded, even groups that took directly, classical music concepts and did them in rock instruments ... many groups fit this spot. However, it is easy to say that Banco, and Le Orme, did not exactly follow this route ... and still got it done, but I think they were too well defined to not know what they were doing.
Spain -- in the 70's the bands I heard were quite Yes, Supertramp sort of blends, with the usual amount of spanish guitar to show the difference. Funny thing, Carmen, was not from Spain. They were from LA, and many times they were more interesting as "spanish music" than the more traditional folks.
England -- I will not take a lot away from the english, except that they went ahead, and did not worry about what it was. And it goes back the tne mid-psych days and into the "beat" days ... something that is still not quite clear and studied as an important art movement that helped create many bands. But London, also has, some of the best theater in the world, and they even used electric bands, and Gryphon is a perfect example of a "progressive" band, that probably would not be ... if we unplugged the instruments! But it was good and then some.
I'm not as well versed on Eartern Europe to discuss, or Northern Europe. I am in film, and some theater, but not music, surprisingly enough.
But there are some odditties ... Egberto Gismonti is considered "jazz" and should be "progressive folk" when he is solo and alone on piano or guitars. Instead his early works have an amazing combination of Jan Garbarek, and Charlie Haden to create some intensely beautiful stuff that would be "progressive jazz" but no one can find a way to describe that ... and of course, to say that Brazil did not have "progressive" music is insane ... ! Or Argentina, but the subtleties I am not clear or familiar with.
One last one ... there was a film called "Bitter Sugar" that came from Cuba ... in that film there was a lot of music including a couple of things that were definitly progressive. Not all music in Cuba is the traditional, tiresome stuff ... there is more there than meets the eye!
Sorry for the generalizations ... hard to discuss these things out of context ... if you add the film makers, the artists and the writers to the country and jigger them really good, you know right away that you have a very strong "artistic" scene, that developed ... and as such the USA, England, Germany and France ... were at the forefront of it, and Tokyo joined up a bit later in full force! It's really hard to say that France's music was not progressive or experimental when some of their writers, and film makers were by VERY FAR the most experimental and innovative folks around during the 60's and 70's ... and what was seen in film, could also be seen in other arts.
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Other cool French bands (besides Magma)
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^I love the French prog band Clear Light
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|Post Options Quote Reply Posted: January 18 2013 at 08:11
Not sure how well the French did as far as creating as many numbers of great Prog bands, we
could just say Zheul could just be, for argument's sake, a superfluous title for French prog, so all Zheul bands are
French prog bands. Per capita, what countries have the most prog bands? Isn't France as
large as Germany and Britain? My favorite German bands are Neu, Novalis, Hoederlin, and
Cluster, much of the other German stuff for me is a little too "wild." But France had the YeYe
movement, which created really great melodies and arrangements, on par with much American
soul/pop from that time period. I don't sense Germany having as much of that quality going on, whereas
Britain obviously did. But I love some female German Schlager music, like Ina Martell from
East Germany, and Marion Maerz. It's important to realize that Stella Vander was a big YeYe
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|Post Options Quote Reply Posted: January 18 2013 at 10:01
As a Catalan / Spanish I can confirm that generally speaking, Catalan and Spanish Prog very often contains clear influences of the classical, popular and folk music of the land (which is a great thing in my opinion).
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It's also worth considering that the national scenes were never entirely isolated from each other - even groups who were stuck behind the Iron Curtain at the time like SBB were able to take part in the cross-fertilisation of ideas.
For instance, if you're exploring the Italian scene it's worth being aware that Genesis and Van der Graaf Generator were - huge, huge, huuuuuuuge there. They had massive riots break out at VdGG concerts, for instance, and Genesis were a big deal in Italy well before they achieved comparable popularity in the UK. It's unquestionable that there was a fertile scene bubbling away there even before the Charisma tours of the early 1970s (must be about 1970-1971 because the insanity of the Italian tour contributed to VdGG's first breakup), but the English acts the Italians embraced - and Genesis/VdGG in particular - catalysed the Italian scene enormously, and I'm convinced it was one of the key factors in inspiring the massive boom in Italian prog acts putting out albums in 1972-1973.
Meanwhile, Bo Hansson was doing his Lord of the Rings album and would eventually get it published in the UK via Charisma, and a bit later ELP helped to put out English versions of Banco and PFM albums for the UK and US market. It's all interconnected...
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I haven't investigated European music traditionally as much as I should and that is due to pure lame habits of my own. However..I own most of Guru, Guru's catalog which their influences are drawn from American Jazz and Blues. Mani and Some Friends takes on the role of a Frank Zappa style on tracks like "Chicken Rock' and also the Pink Floyd Ummagumma/Jimi Hendrix sound on tracks like "Another World". They also role play on American 70's Funk with "Eating my Hotdog"...they venture into the world of John McLaughlin..early Mahavishnu period on Dance of the Flames, Hendrix/Frank Marino style is evident on Kanguru etc. The originality of their style reveals itself in their sense of bizzare humour with sound effects and stories spoken in the German language.
Pulsar (a French band) draw influences from Pink Floyd and King Crimson while Ange are influenced by the sound of Genesis and K.C. Both bands have a great originality to their style of writing. It's amazing to me how they managed to pull that off in the real world! Goblin ...from Italy have a direct influence of ELP/Genesis within their sound yet have a much darker structure musically than both of those bands stylistically based on their constant interplay between guitar and keyboards interchanging or reversing methods of playing the "Devil's interval".
Rio bands like Univers Zero and Art Zoyd use the same formula yet it is based more so around the style of Avant-Garde composition derived from the 20th century. Which again...when I mention the "Devil's Interval"...I am making reference to tri-tones that they re-construct in a thousand ways, never totally heard before by those who were K.C. fans in the 70's, but more likely to have been performed first by string quartets of the 50's and through the music of John Cage, George Crumb, and many other greats. Nevertheless all cemented together to form a new inventive prog style of writing. A style that is evident (only in sections), on "Piece of Mind" by Curved Air.
Folk music is more evident in the style of French prog bands to me than the German experimental Krautrock ..however there are exceptions to that rule. Conventum (from Canada) and Harmonium seemed to have less influences from other's who were on the prog scene before them ..unless they were crafty enough just to cover it up...or maybe the music simply fell into place naturally and nothing was ever said between members of those bands just as nothing was hardly said when YES wrote Fragile. A telepathic experience where everything was created during the moment and pieced together between band members without too much verbal communication. Their minds could have been wiped clean of anything particular they experienced on that day and the notes entered their minds, they played it, it was fitting and bingo .."Southside of the Sky" was written or they could have came up with a signature line because they did in fact have a specific person, place , or thing on their mind. Nothing is an exact science when writing however ethnic, classical, folk influences you heard as a child before attending music college or even just formal training is planted in your mind...so therefore because you are human , you could delude yourself into believing that you wrote it. A question unanswered in most cases and left to the Gods...whoever they might be...either cosmic muffin or whatever you prefer that delusional energy level to be. Some kind of spiritual energy does channel through musicians and they create some of the most original music in history because of it...yet the musician has no control over it, doesn't care to define it as anything other than human growth of predictability and may find the topic farce. But according to the evidence of what has been composed in the past..there is something out there to the extent of the unknown which is a force that musicians connect with. Very much like Gnosis ..where upon you may feel something and not have an explanation for it.
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I love that band too!
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I don't know them very well, but the albums from Le Cimetière des Arlequins to Guet-Apens should be worth a number of tries at least. Anyway, their last album, Moyen-Âge, is a rock solid in my book, but it is not widely acclaimed here on PA.
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I'm glad to see all of this discussion as I've been away for 4-5 days.
My first impression of this website is that there is an amazing base of knowledge here. I'm from the US and my knowledge of European prog and jazz is nowhere on the level of some of you. I knew this when I started the thread - that I was probably going to find myself in over my head very quickly. But the great thing is this - I want to learn more, and thankfully you all have responded in ways that are perfect. I mean, I wanted to learn more about French prog, to get past my impasse and somewhat negative attitude there, and now you have given me the names of some bands to consider which I will do. Same goes for some other countries too. And so I hope to go out and do some more listening and then get back with some impressions.
My comment about UK vocalists drew a small amount of fire which is OK. I'm not surprised at that. And I think that my impression that these vocalists might not have been that popular on the continent (especially Germany and Italy) is based on what seems to be a lack of imitators and nothing more. Imitation is flattery.....
And as for Greg Lake being the quintessential prog vocalist......I wouldn't have a problem with that, but I might ask you to define "quintessential" and "prog".......:)
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Funny thing ... guess where "database" comes in, first and importantly ... in a discussion such as this ... by taking "away" the separate nationalities.
Unffortunately, ALL music is so tied and related to its culture and the differences are what music history has been about for over 500 years. I have always thought that the stick, and the time keeping (fabulously shown to us with Salieri in a movie!) ... is a perfect example of how the upper class, does not want music to be brought down to the "public", and that "discipline" (or "timing") is important to ... keep control of the masses ... and remember that this was 350 years ago!
I know it's a subliminal type message, but maybe that is the reason I hate to see a drummer wasted to satisfy a time-keeping requirement, that is a part of "popular music" that has ALWAYS been thought of as "uneducated" music!
TO ME ... a lot of this "progressive music" ... is just about this ... showing that even other folks that are not necessarily a part of the "establishment" are also great musicians that can create outstanding work, thus my reasons for always making fun of the upper crust and the lower crust as well ... because sometimes the idea of just fighting for figthing's sakes and someone else collects the money ... is my idea of ripping off, and manipulating folks! Which religion is next?
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As I read this, I thought about the military and pictured soldiers marching to a strict beat. I never really thought about that before with respects to music and the upper and lower class. Uniforms helped too..:) You know, I suppose there was a time in our not too distant past when the only music with drums and a strict beat was marching music (fife and drums, etc) And from there, we evolved and drums became standard in dance music as well.
And so I googled this up. From the 16th to 19th century, military units usually had a drum corp which were used to aid troop movements in the field. it was also called "field music". And from there, marching bands, marching music etc evolved. And so to the aristocratic class, you can easily see how drums came to have an important role in their scheme of things - it was used to keep others in line.
And then throw in the fact that drums and drumming has a long history of practice in less developed countries - Africa, Asia, South America. So to the upper class, drumming probably at some point (19th century maybe during the global expansion) came to be associated with tribal cultures, uneducated masses to be controlled etc. And the first use of drums in western culture for dancing - (Strauss wrote waltzes but didn't score them for base drum..:)) - I don't know. Anyone? Was that a black influence in America or were they doing it before then? I kind of wish I had a time machine and I could go back to about 1910 or so, when Professer Hill in the Music Man was railing against ragtime..
Also, consider the evolution of the drug culture in western society which probably sort of paralleled the rise of dancing to the beat, jazz, etc. and then rock.
OK, well, I guess I'm going to relate this to what I feel about Zeuhl music in France where I mentioned that it seemed sort of subversive and jazzy - something that might not to be too popular with the more conservative upper class French. But now do you think that a lot of prog is essentially poorer folks wanting to impress the upper crust with their musical abilities? Them wanting to show that they are more than just slaves to a drum beat? I see proggers as genuinely having a preference for more complex, more "classical" or traditional sounding contemporary music. In my case, I grew up classically trained in piano. We didn't listen to jazz or blues in my house. I listened to a mix of classical music and broadway music as a kid. I liked Faure, Debussy, Romanian composers. The first "popular" song I ever heard that I really liked was ironically called "Classical Gas" which came out in 1968. Remember that one? :)The very name "Classical Gas" suggested a melding of contemporary and traditional values right there, very proggy in spirit, no? :) But its interesting because I also recall strains in the sixties with my parents, specifically over music, and how I wanted my folks to like "Yes" - I thought that it was "classical" enough that they might like it. In other words, prog was a way for me to bridge a gap, to compromise I guess, and I didn't want the old folks to lump me with those "disrespectful punks" who listened to rock music. I did genuinely like Yes and not the Stones, and so it wasn't faking it on my part. But they were wondering if they had brought me up right, while I was saying - "but I like Yes, Mom!" Doesn't that show you I'm OK?
Ah "yes", the memories........the electric piano I bought one year that I almost had to hide from my Dad......
Well, I didn't mean to take this off topic, but getting back to prog by country - the countries in Europe with particularly strong classical music traditions like Austria and France - now I can see these going one of two routes in the 70's. Back then, everything (musically speaking) was eroding in the eyes of the establishment. But there were still lots of kids growing up in both those countries that were classically trained, but just not very inclined to continue in that tradition. Perfect for prog then, you say? Jan Hammer and Jean luc Ponty are two musicians that come to mind. And they weren't going to just sit back and join a typical rock band either - their ears wanted more. But they could have just stayed in their respective countries and lead an effort to forge a prog style steeped in their own country's traditions. They didn't, though - they gravitated west and into jazz, not into "austrian" symphonic prog or "French" symphonic prog. If I had been in their shoes, I might have been tempted to do it differently, but it was maybe a case of if you can't beat them, join them. Probably they did not see any future in an indigenous prog (with non english lyrics), and saw much bigger bucks and more receptive audiences elsewhere. I know I was plucking my money down to hear them anyway, not some obscure prog band from an eastern european country with no label or distribution or marketing outside of their borders. But even without the infrastructure, its not entirely clear to me why eventually, a prog to rival UK prog (I'm talking symphonic prog here) never really developed in these countries. The skills are there. I know that musical genius resides in Vienna, Moscow, Budapest, Paris, etc. And the taste for classical music is there also. So one might have thought that prog would had been the perfect compromise for a country with a strong classical tradition. From what has been written previousy in this thread, I know that UK prog was popular on the continent. Was that enough to satisfy those kids there? Did few feel a need then to take on the challenge of writing an equally exciting prog based on the culture and traditions of their respective countries? Or are my ears biased and they DID try, but I just didn't like it as much (I do tend to favor dissonance, modes, 11th and 13th chords, etc vs simple major/minor. Thats whats "exciting" to me, plus good compositional skills)? Just to give you an example of what I mean from my limited time here - I really like After Crying's "Welcome on Board". Thats what I'm talking about - its to me an exciting, non UK, perhaps uniquely Hungarian version of prog. But to sort of sum this up (man, I've written a book here..), classical music evolved and reached its highest development on the continent, not the UK. But for prog, the reverse is true. And so I guess it was never really intuitively obvious to me that it should have happened that way. That means that if its Russian, its Shostakovich or Prokofiev that does it for me, not a prog band from there, but if on the other hand its from the UK, I'll take Genesis or Yes, not something classical written earlier (Vaughn-Williams is a good one though)..
It is true though, music knows no borders, and radio penetrates hearts and minds in a way that no human can. I try to imagine what it might have been like growing up in Eastern Europe 50 years ago. The media is from where you get all of your information about the outside world, and it can cause young minds to dream. And In the 60's and 70's rock music was a new media - it used cutting edge technologies, recording techniques, and required companies willing to invest in those technologies and techniques. That technology and infrastructure was best developed in the west (UK, US, etc) where in addition there were already large audiences receptive to jazz and blues and hence big bucks to be made. Probably that made the difference, and maybe why Jean luc Ponty and Jan Hammer, etc chose the path that they did...
From soggy Oregon, USA....far, far from european soil, but searching for enlightenment from my fellow proggers...:)
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I'm going to quote myself here - because I think I may have answered my own question.
That country's with strong classical music traditions don't have better prog is maybe because they simply don't need it. Why would you need a substitute when you can have the real thing? Prog to many is really a rejection of standard classical music - I mean, it honors it compared to rock'n roll, but is also says "I want to substitute a music that speaks to me more directly, uses more contemporary instruments, etc" i.e "I like classical music but its not my primary language and culture so I want to remake it in my own image". But the traditionalists would have no interest in that. They would say "if you want to make sophisticated music, why not just score it for an orchestra? So I would think in those countries that maybe too many would see prog as, at best, a cheap substitute, or, at worst, a clumsy attempt from a different part of society to challenge the status quo, to say "we can do it too, and sell even more albums than you". And would the most musically gifted in those countries feel that writing for a prog band instead of an orchestra or other ensemble would be a waste of their precious talent? Maybe. This would tend to syphon off talent and water down the prog. So I'm glad then that there is great prog out there and countries where it has broad support from all levels of society.
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My life passion is classical music, from Bach to Shostakovitch, with the Late Romantic period my main focus, and the monumental symphonies of Anton Bruckner the summit of that for me.
I grew up on rock music, especially heavy rock, and was a bit of a late comer to prog. I developed an interest in classical music around the same time as prog, so when a band like ELP or Triumvirat or Latte e Miele quote classical music directly, i've always really related to that, and found it really cool!
But because i was raised on rock, i could never divorce myself from it or misunderstand it the way a classical snob would. I guess i get the best of both worlds in embracing classical music and rock. I couldn't live my life without both of them.
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If I had to give up one, classical, jazz or rock (prog, folk, etc) it would break my heart. Each kind of represents a different aspect of my life, and parting with any one of them would be like slicing a part of me off. No classical music aficionado could relate as I'm sure you would agree...
But I actually sort of found my way to rock through prog, not the other way around. Its kind of weird, but prog is what made other rock more acceptable to me. I really was more pop and classical oriented when I was a teenager. At times i felt pretty isolated from my peers...:)
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Outreach to Collision Repair Sector for New Clean Air Act Requirements
On January 9, 2008, EPA published the "auto body" rule (PDF) (31 pp, 294K, About PDF) in the Federal Register. The rule, referred to as the Paint Stripping and Miscellaneous Surface Coating Operations NESHAP, becomes effective for new shops immediately; initial notifications for existing shops are due by January 2010. The rule calls for auto body shops, which often are in residential or mixed residential/industrial areas, to use a series of best practices to reduce emissions of hazardous air pollutants to the environment. Implementation of these practices would reduce exposure to many people who live or work nearby.
Compliance Assistance is being offered around the country through a partnership effort between the Office of Air Quality Planning and Standards, EPA's Design for the Environment (DfE) program in the Office of Pollution Prevention and Toxics (OPPT), the EPA Regional Offices, the Air Toxics and Small Business programs and multiple states and local agencies. This past year, assistance providers offered training to auto body shops on the best practices required by the rule, and on other practices that reduce risks to the shop workers themselves. Implementation of the best practices is predicted by EPA to result in a direct operating cost saving for the business, as well as indirect savings resulting from decreased worker exposure to hazardous air pollutants. In addition, facility visits were conducted to help provide assistance to shop owners and operators about what changes they need to make to their operations to come into compliance with the new requirements.
In just one year, the Collision Repair Campaign Team has trained over 1000 people, representing over 500 repair shops and has leveraged $1.9 million. Of the shops that participated in the trainings, an estimated 50 percent are implementing best practices. This has saved an estimated 59 tons of material, which translates to a cost savings of $1.1 million; reduced an estimated 40 tons of particulate matter, and 31 tons of volatile organic compounds emissions.
Through these approaches, the Collision Repair Campaign Partnership is reaching out to shop owners to make them aware of the impact of their shop emissions, encourage early compliance with this new rule, and not only reduce emissions beyond those required by the rule but also reduce operating costs by encouraging adoption of best practices in advance of the rule compliance date.
To learn more about CAA compliance, please visit Clean Air Act Compliance Assistance.


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