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In August 2011 an attack from infiltrators from Sinai in Southern Israel killed seven Israelis. Israel responded by bombing Gaza and killing 14 Palestinians, although later investigations revealed that all the perpetrators had actually been Egyptians. Moreover, only during the last year 14 attacks have been launched against pipelines in Sinai providing Israel with gas. Israel now has to find alternative supply for 20 % of its consume because of these attacks. And in March 2012 rockets fired from Sinai were landing in the Israeli tourist town Eilat. This security situation is close to unbearable for the Israeli government. Israel's problem is that to clear their border area of the Sinai security threat they need to enter Sinai militarily. But to enter Sinai militarily would be in violation of the Camp David agreement with Egypt. With the popular mood in Egypt against the peace agreement with Israel, opening up the Camp David agreement for renegotiation could lead to it becoming abolished.
The Egyptian government are reportedly aware that it is impossible for them to secure Sinai militarily without cooperation from the Bedouin tribes living there. Numerous declarations on investment in infrastructure and aid for the marginalized Bedouin population have been heard recently, and meetings have been held between the Egyptian interior minister and Bedouin sheikhs representing the tribes of Sinai. But it takes more to regain the trust of people who for decades have been treated as if they were enemies of the state. Moreover, and as Abu-Lughod anticipated, the political transformation that have occurred in Egypt and the Arab world also have had an impact within tribal groupings. Also within tribes youth challenge patriarchal power, state authorities, while being attracted to radical Islam. Accordingly the power of the old sheikhs is not what it used to be. The old sheikhs no longer have their traditional patriarchal control over the various segments of their tribes. This phenomenon has been observed throughout the region, with tribal groupings and clans where the elder no longer control the young who forms their own clan factions dressed up with jihadist ideology, like Jaish al Islam from the Dughmush clan in Gaza.
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ROCK SPRING, Ga. — As the cloud of smoke begins to grow behind the college building, a loud explosion echoes across campus. A few minutes later, shots ring out.
"A shooter is outside the door, outside the door," a voice crackles over the radio. "One shooter down at the front door," another voice shouts.
While students began spring break at the Walker County campus of Georgia Northwestern Technical College on Monday, local and state police conducted one of the largest multijurisdictional disaster drills in the North Georgia region.
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Student and teacher volunteers stand Monday surrounded by various North Georgia fire fighers, police and EMS workers at Georgia Northwestern Technical College's Walker County campus. Catoosa County, Dade County, and Walker County police, fire fighers, EMS workers and volunteers acted out a mass shooting mock disaster drill at the college. Staff Photo by Allison Carter/Chattanooga Times Free Press
Safety agencies with Catoosa, Dade and Walker counties pulled resources together along with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation to enact a disaster scenario that started with a car fire and a hostage takeover of several classrooms.
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Many paramedic students also participated in the event and practiced treating the mock patients, most of whom were college students who volunteered, he said.
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Milestones such as getting married or having a baby aren't cheap. Of course, gifts help -- and more than ever, now that a growing number of retailers are offering registrants a kickback.
This month, Babies R Us became the latest to launch a registry rewards program, joining a number of retailers -- including Macy's, Bon-Ton, Target, and Bed Bath & Beyond -- that give a rebate or discount back to the registrants.
Macy's, for example, offers newlyweds a gift card worth 5% of the total value of registry items purchased, while Target registrants get a 10%-off coupon for items they wanted but didn't get. And Babies R Us offers expectant parents who are also members of the store's free loyalty club a $5 coupon for every $150 in purchases eager friends and families make from their registries.
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These registry kickbacks are designed to encourage the engaged and the expectant to register in one or two places, instead of three or four, as has become common. For the retailer, there's quite a bit of money at stake.
Friends of an engaged couple spend an average of $70 on wedding gifts, while family members spend $129, according to planning website The Knot. For a baby shower, co-workers spend an average of $32; friends, $43, and family, $73, reports parenting advice site The Bump. Multiply that by the nearly 2.1 million weddings nationwide and 4.1 million births tallied by the National Center for Health Statistics in 2009, and it's not hard to see why retailers would trade a small rebate in exchange for a bigger share of bridal and baby spending.
The incentive rapidly adds up for the registrants, too. For a wedding with 150 guests and average spending of $100 apiece, the registered couple could walk away with roughly $750 in rebates, coupons or discounts -- and that's in addition to $15,000 in gifts and cash. "Whether or not a retailer offers a rewards program may be the deciding factor," says Kate Ward, site director of The Bump. Rewards also increase the likelihood that the customer will keep coming back.
Proper etiquette
The store gets guests' business, the celebrant gets a fat rebate, but what about the gift-giver? Event planners typically encourage consumers to spread out registries at several stores, precisely so that gift-givers have options. So, if you choose a store to register with because it offers an incentive, it's important to be especially careful not to let that influence the items you choose, says a spokeswoman for The Emily Post Institute.
That means not cavalierly selecting the $800 stroller or $400 kitchen mixer with a bigger rebate in the back of your mind. "You don't want a guest to open up your registry and cringe," says Post. And Babies R Us has taken it one step further: Gift-givers who join the store's loyalty program can earn rewards for buying items from a registry.
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Just joined your group but I am in MA so I cannot attend meetings but I am interested so topics mostly related to new structures in geometry. I,ve discovered one.
Hi Meghan! Hope all is well with you! I know it's been awhile since we've seen you at Tech in Motion and I wanted to personally invite you to our upcoming Tech Ed Panel. We have a hot panel lined up with the Founder of Girls Who Code, Founder of Hack NY, Senior Advisor at NYC Mayor's Office, & Senior Director at Department of Education.{October 17th @ AFSE} The event is FREE and will have food and drinks. Would love to see you there! http://www.meetup.com/techinmotionnyc
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Are there any slides on the gauge fields meetup today? If there is any interest in this topic, would love to do a deep dive sometime.
Hi Meghan! VoltDB is hosting a VoltDB 101 Lab with the New York Business Intelligence group at the CenturyLink Office's on Tuesday, April 2nd. Based on your meetup preferences I thought you might be interested in attending. We'll offer hands-on experience with VoltDB's Field CTO, Ryan Betts - Check out the meetup page for more info: http://www.nybimeetup.org/events/1063...
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Welcome to our Meet-up group. Please feel free to let us know what other languages you program in and what you would like to learn.
We will be having a meet-up in around two months from now and will let you knwo the details.
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Hey Meghan =) i'm sorry to bug you out of the blue... i'm looking for a c#/asp.net dev for a fashion company who wants to learn java while on the job and i'm offering a $1000 reward to the person that helps me find one. just wanted to see if there was anyone you knew that u could send my way. thanks!!
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Looking forward to this! Happy to meet some fellow Bostonians on the cutting edge.
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Just attended my first C++ meetup but had to rush off at the end so didn't get a chance to say thanks in person. Not sure where the pizza came from or who paid for it but it was much appreciated.
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Hi Megan, thanks for your work. Just joined. we are a 10Gen partner and, implement Mongo. Happy to support NYC. Let me know how. I go back with Brendan C. a while now.
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Chicago PMI Misses As New Orders & Production SlumpSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 09:51
US equity markets were sliding into the Chicago PMI print as early release indications proved correct and it missed expectations. Having flip-flopped from worst since July 2013 to almost cycle highs last month, Chicago PMI printed 60.5 (vs 62.0 expectations) hindered a drop in new orders and production. The silver lining, the employment index improved modestly. Prices Paid surged to its highest since 2012.
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US Stocks Slide, Ruble Plunges As Russia Prepares Capital ControlsSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 09:17
Just days after Ukraine began discussing capital controls, and Russian lawmakers passed a bill enabling asset freezes, it appears Russia has reached its limit.
The Ruble is plunging towards 40 to the USD (CB intervention levels), US equity futures gapped lower, and European stocks are sliding.
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"Broad-Based Deceleration" - Case-Shiller Home Prices Tumble Most Since Nov 2011, 3rd Drop In A RowSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 09:10
For the 3rd month in a row, S&P Case-Shiller home prices fell MoM with July's 0.5% drop the biggest since November 2011. This dragged the YoY growth to 6.75% (missing expectations of 7.4%) and its slowest rate of increase since November 2012. Non-seasonally-adjusted the drop is even larger (-0.6% MoM). Perhaps most notably San Francisco was the biggest drag on the index.
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US Regulators Fear "Runs" From PIMCO's Systemic Risk As Outflows Soar To 12.5% Of AssetsSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 08:49
Things are rapidly shifting from bad to worse for PIMCO. In a triple whammy this morning, Bloomberg reports the Total Return Fund ETF (managed previously by Bill Gross) has suffered $446 million outflows (or over 12.5% of assets) so far; Morningstar downgrades the fund from 'gold' to 'bronze' citing "uncertainty regarding outflows and the reshuffling of management responsibilities"; and perhaps most concerning - given our previous warnings over bond market illiquidity - The FT reports, US regulators are monitoring trading and fund flows surrounding PIMCO's Total Return Bond fund warning investors they should contemplate the unintended consequences of pulling their money and the possibility of systemic risk disruptions, fearful of "runs."
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Frontrunning: September 30Submitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 07:49
- Hong Kong protesters stockpile supplies, fear fresh police advance (Reuters)
- Protesters stay out on Hong Kong streets, defying Beijing (Reuters)
- Traders Turn Up Grilling Sausages at Hong Kong Protests (BBG)
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- Austria Cracks Down on Spies -- and Jihadis (BBG)
- EU Believes Apple, Fiat Tax Deals Broke Rules (WSJ); Apple's Irish Tax Deal 'Engineered' to Boost Employment, EU Says (BBG)
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Carl Icahn Wins Again: eBay To Spin Off PayPal, CEO John Donahoe Is OutSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 07:07
And so Carl Icahn wins again, this time with his demand that eBay spin off PayPal. As a reminder, eBay swore up and down it would never spin off its best performing asset, then swore again, and swore some more. And then 3 minutes ago, revealed it was only kidding, because eBay just reported PayPal will be spun off in a move that will cost CEO John Donahoe his job: "Neither Donahoe nor Swan will have an executive management role in the new eBay and PayPal companies. But to provide continuity, they each expect to serve on one or both of the boards of the two companies. Oh, and another winner: "Goldman, Sachs & Co. and Allen & Company LLC are serving as financial advisors to eBay Inc."
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A Day Of Global Economic Disappointments Is Just What The Stock Ramp Algo OrderedSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 07:00
It has been a night of relentless and pervasive disappointing economic data from just about every point on the globe: first the Chinese HSBC manufacturing data was well short of expectations (50.2 vs. Exp. 50.5), which was promptly spun as bullish and a reason for more stimulus by the PBOC even though the central bank has been constantly repeating it will not engage in western-style shotgun easing. Then Japanese wages, household spending and industrial production came in far below expectations - in fact at levels which suggest Japan is once again in a recession - which once again was spun as bullish, because the BOJ has no choice but to do more of the same failed policies that have made Abenomics the laughing stock of the world. Finally, moments ago Europe reported the lowest inflation data in 5 years, as well as core CPI sliding to just 0.7%, and which was, wait for it, immediately spun as bullish for risk as once again the local central bank would have "no choice but to ease." In other words, thank god for horrible news: because how else will the rich get even richer?
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Eurozone Inflation Drops To Fresh 5 Year Low, EURUSD TumblesSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 06:14
Anyone confused why futures are doing their best to surge in the overnight session, the answer is simple: first it was Japan reporting the latest batch of atrocious economic data, which an hour ago was followed by Europe own abysmal econofreakshow, where Eurostat just reported that in September Eurozone inflation rose a meager 0.3% from a year ago, the lowest annual increase since October 2009.This marks the 12th straight month that Euro inflation has been below 1%, and far below the ECB's goal of 2% inflation.
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The Difference Between Nominal And Real, In One Chart Courtesy Of JapanSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/30/2014 - 03:29
As the great Keynesian priests of Japan distract the world by pointing out repeatedly the modest and now declining rise in nominal wages, as testament of the "success"of Abenomics, what they want everyone to ignore is what is going on with real wages. So, without further ado, here is the difference between Nominal and Real wages, as demonstrates best by that sinking Keynesian titanic, which has already returned to recession as confirmed by the upcoming negative GDP print, Japan.
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Presenting ISIS-Beating "Mad Max" Battle Tanks And BusesSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/29/2014 - 23:56
When it comes to fighting the barbaric beheaders formerly known as ISIS, Kurdish fighters appear to have gone to the 1979 movie "Mad Max" for inspiration. As The Daily Mail notes, while significantly outgunned by Islamic State, the Kurds have created a fleet of well-armored, elaborately-designed, ominous-looking battle-buses by converting tractors and trucks into tanks...
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The Hong Kong Protest: What It's All AboutSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/29/2014 - 23:28
Considering that as recently as 3 weeks ago the leader of the Occupy Central movement in Hong Kong decided to throw in the towel, after admitting that his civil disobedience movement's pursuit of democracy had "failed" as a result of waning public support, many are shocked by how aggressively Hong Kong's students took up the baton: almost as if the mystery sponsor behind the ISIS blitz-ascent from obscurity had decided to "destabilize" yet another region. Tongue-in-cheek kidding aside, for everyone confused about the context of this weekend's at time very violent student protests, here is Evergreen GaveKal with its wrap up of the "Hong Kong Democracy Protests."
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Europe & China Start Direct Trading In Euros & Yuan As De-Dollarization ExpandsSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/29/2014 - 23:24
De-dollarization has been an ongoing theme hidden just below the surface of the mainstream media for more than a year as Russia and China slowly but surely attempt to "isolate" the US Dollar. Until very recently, direct trade agreements with China (in other words, bypassing the US Dollar exchange in bilateral trade) had been with smaller trade partners. On the heels of Western pressure, Russia and China were forced closer together and de-dollarization accelerated from Turkey to Argentina as an increasing number of countries around the world realize the importance of this chart. However, things are about to get even more dramatic. As Bloomberg reports, China will start direct trading between the yuan and the euro tomorrow as the world's second-largest economy seeks to spur global use of its currency in a "fresh step forward in China's yuan internationalization." With civil unrest growing on every continent and wars (proxy or other) at tipping points, perhaps, just perhaps, the US really does want rid of the weight of the USD as a reserve currency after all (as championed here by Obama's former right hand economist)... now that would be an intriguing 'strategy'.
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Senate Sponsor Exposes The Real Reason For The FedSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/29/2014 - 23:00
...Funding War!
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China In A NutshellSubmitted by Tyler Durden on 09/29/2014 - 22:52
We have explained the complications of China's monetary policy efforts, trade-financing shenanigans, 'peculiarly stable' headline macro data in the face of collapsing real data, and the 'hangover' effect of China's seemingly-terrified-for-reality-to-peek-through credit injections... but sometimes, a brief 30 second clip is all that is needed to explain just how it all works in China...
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If Bruce Lindsay had gotten that internship at KUTV back in 1974, maybe he wouldn't be retiring from KSL right now.
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Lindsay began his KSL career in 1974 as an intern and then moved into a full-time reporting job. After a two-year stint at KABC in Los Angeles from 1976 to 1978, when he returned to KSL, where he worked until his retirement on Wednesday.
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The longtime KSL anchorman was behind the desk at Channel 5 for the last time on Wednesday, wrapping up a career that stretches back to 1974.
Back then, he thought he might begin working at the rival station after one of his Brigham Young University instructors "assured me that I would have the inside track for a summer internship at KUTV." But his interview at Channel 2 didn't go well. "But it was a good warm-up because I was all ready to go guns blazing for the interview at KSL," he said.
Apparently, he must have wowed them at Channel 5. "They actually made me a special offer," Lindsay said. "In lieu of being an unpaid intern, I got the majestic sum of $2 an hour."
Lindsay, who was born in San Francisco and grew up in Salt Lake City, spent 36 of the past 38 years at KSL, where he has anchored the news for the past 34 years — a run matched by only a few of his counterparts. "And they're dropping like flies right now," Lindsay said with a laugh. "People of my vintage, they're just heading for the exits."
It's a run that will be tough to replicate. "It's unlikely we'll see that in the future," said Al Tompkins, the Poynter Institute's senior faculty member for broadcasting and online. "We are losing an awful lot of the experience that we have in newsrooms to buyouts, retirements. When we lose people with large amounts of experience, we lose the institutional knowledge that goes with them. And that should concern us all."
Lindsay, however, looks at his departure as just a natural progression. "My segment of the baby boom generation, for the whole time that I've been in broadcasting, has been over-represented in the ranks," he said. "Our coming-of-age coincided with broadcasting moving from a loss-leader and a public-interest necessity to a profit center. So a lot of us got sucked into that and we've stayed there. We've been the pig in the python and the roadblock to a lot of people, too."
At KSL, Lindsay will be succeeded by Dave McCann, best known locally as the play-by-play announcer for Cougar football and basketball on BYUtv.
"We're not really looking to replace Bruce," said Tanya Vea, KSL's vice president of news. "He's an institution in Utah news. There's something about him that people just naturally like and trust."
While some believe that Lindsay spent almost 30 years waiting for Dick Nourse's 2007 retirement, they forget the two co-anchored the flagship 10 p.m. newscast from 1978-86. But the strain on his wife and six growing children had him "on the verge of going somewhere else where I could ply my trade in the early afternoon" when he and then-KSL anchorwoman Shelley Thomas swapped time slots.
"It worked better for both of our families," he said, "although it was arguably a step down for me, in terms of the size of the broadcast."
Lindsay, who got an MBA at the University of Utah while he was anchoring the news at KSL, figured he'd move on to some sort of corporate communications. Instead, he's headed to Perth, Australia, to serve as a mission president for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The impending move Down Under has kept him from indulging in too much nostalgia.
"I'll miss some wonderful people," he said. "You know the stereotypes — the pompous people who don't get along so they fake it on camera. But the people that I've been paired with, I have the greatest respect for them and I've had the warmest, collegial kinds of experiences."
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An atheist is still in a theist paradigm.
In describing yourself, when you use broad categorizations, such as I'm black or I'm white, or I'm a chemist or a I'm a physicist or I'm an electrician, or I'm an atheist or I'm agnostic or I'm religious or I'm Jewish, you are saying that the questions that these are answers to are important to you. They have meaning and value, and are worthwhile ways of categorizing yourself.
My idea is that we should be careful of the categorizations we have for ourselves. I, personally, am religious, so I give that question a lot of weight, but for someone who is atheist, or someone who doesn't tend to consider religious questions and such, it seems as though the question has little bearing, though there may be exceptions. It is not applicable in one's self concept. If you characterize yourself as an atheist, you are still in a theistic paradigm. So, my idea is to stop thinking of yourself as such.
While I am thinking particularly of this instance of religion, the idea has wider applications too. For example, in talking of one's skin colour. It is at times useful in helping to identify someone, but otherwise the distinction made between people with different skin tones is usually not an actually relevant question, not to say that heritage and ethnicity (important in the cultural differences and the genetic differences that are consistent across a particular group) aren't applicable.
My idea is mostly related to self concept though. To other who give value to those questions, it is entirely valid to answer them. Religion may not be important to you, but to your associates for which it is, you can still tell them that you are atheist, though if that was the case for me I'd say 'I do not adhere to any religion or believe in God', so as to still come from somewhat outside of that way of thinking.
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Oct 19 2011: Calling oneself an atheist is claiming no to believe in the supernatural. Instead, one claims to believe that every problem has a solution and that everything about reality can be explained in reality through "creativity and criticism" (D Deutsch).
A non-atheist is someone who doesn't believe in exponencial growth of knowledge.
So being an atheist is just more than refusing to believe in God.
Oct 19 2011: Your classification of a non-atheist is not accurate I'm afraid. Take for example, I am a Christian. I do believe in a sovereign God and the Gospel. However, I also believe that we as humans can grow in knowledge in wisdom exponentially, to a certain degree. Because we can all agree that no human or the human race will ever be perfect or omniscient.
Oct 19 2011: But there is a difference, see. You've added "to a certain degree". And I don't believe that you think every problem has a solution.
As you've said, we're not omniscient.
Sure, we're not. But we will find solutions to problems. And there is an infinity of problems. This is where we differ, my friend. You don't see an infinity of problem and an infinity of solutions like I do.
At one point, at the begining really, you admit that some problems have no solution don't you? Why is there a God instead of nothing?
Another difference : an atheist is a person who has decided to make his own mind about the world. There are no specialist to learn from, no authority to reffer to, no holy book holding some sort of truth. You need to criticize in order to sort out good and bad explanations. So yeah, criticism is another difference.
Religious people can't criticize their deities. By definition, they are not subject to critcism.
So there you are.
Oct 20 2011: But some things are random and to presuppose that every problem has a solution presupposes a kind of purpposefulness that cannot be quantified or measured. I don't follow the idea that the universe is necessairly purposeful although that is a comforting thought - one akin to the Theism of Buddhism which is relgion and not A=theism.
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Oct 20 2011: Ashley. It presupposes no purpposefulness.
It's just how knowledge works. We're a knowledge creating species, and we create it exponencially. Surely there is somewhere in the universe other species creating explanations, and why not A. I. ?
I don't believe there is any purpose for this. For that reason, for instance, I believe we'll never be out of problems to solve. They'll keep popping up ad infinitum.
It seems comforting an idea that knowledge has a special place in the universe. But it's a fact. Knowledge changes the world. Look at our planet. Astronomy needs to take into account knowledge creators in making any sort of prediction. It'll be even more obvious as we conquer space.
Oct 20 2011: Gerald...I can't agree with you here. The differences between those with a belief in God and those without are not what you say...
I am religious. I believe that there is nothing supernatural. I don't believe that spiritual or physical things are different. I believe that what we call spiritual works though physical means.
I also make up my own mind. Everyone makes up their own mind, even if it is to accept what someone else thinks or says. I personally came to religious belief through critical thinking, and through what more or less amounts to the scientific method on a personal level, not by accepting what people told me. I did a lot of things in opposition to what religious people said I should do, and found generally that, at least in the religion that I adhere to, that they were right when they predicted what would happen given a particular action. And is not that what marks a good theory, explanatory and predictive power? There are few things that I accept right off. I analyze to see whether or not it makes sense or not, and whether I agree, and if it seems good, I test it.
Yes, there are authorities I refer to. That is the case with everyone, including, I think, you. I don't personally understand how the world around us arises from particle physics, though I hope to someday, so I trust that until I do, those authorities are right. That is the point of a specialist. One person can't know everything, so they need to specialize, and to a certain extent trust specialists in other areas.
I also believe in infinite progress, though I don't know that I'd say exponential (a large part of our present exponential knowledge gain is exponential population growth, which may end).
I would also agree, that there are solutions, often multiple ones, to all problems, though I'd be careful in my use of the term problems. Many problems are resolved if you look at them differently.
Atheist vs. nonatheist doesn't correspond to different ways of thinking.
Oct 20 2011: Well, Isaac, it looks like we can have an interesting debate here.
Let me quote some of your writings and discuss them.
"I am religious. I believe that there is nothing supernatural"
I don't understand how this is possilble. If you don't believe in the supernatural, how can you call yourself a religious person? Please develop about this point.
"And is not that what marks a good theory, explanatory and predictive power?"
But you only mention their success in prediction, not in giving good explanations. I would otherwise agree. But predictive success means nothing without a propper explanation. I'm sure you agree with this without asking for examples of accurate predictions but bad explanations. So please, tell me more about this point too.
"until I do, those authorities are right"
How about saying that they're most likely to be wrong, but we lack better explanations. I don't refer to authority. Sure, some scientists have a reputation of being serious in their research and meticulous in their experiments, but they still don't earn the title of authority on any subject. Only their ideas should be juged. And this is how I work. That beloved professor X "said so" means nothing to me untill I've considered the content of his ideas. It happens often that I'm disapointed in scientist that I admired for one of their theories. Is this possible with religion? Can you say that 80% of the Bible is plain wrong, but the rest seems correct? This is what I mean by authority, the fact that you can't pick out the ideas you like, you have to accept the whole of it. Right? Or do you to say that grasshoppers in space and massive resurection are just a metaphor?
"That is the point of a specialist"
Not to hold the truth. A specialist knows more than anyone about what he doesn't know about a topic, that's all. He's a specialist at asking good questions.
Thank you for debating these issues with me.
Oct 23 2011: Limited characters is part of why I wasn't more detailed, and it might mean I need to do several posts.
For clarity, numbers.
1. (supernatural) My impression of the word supernatural is that, first, it assumes there are laws governing how the universe works (natural) and that there are things that go outside of those laws (supernatural). The thing is, the rules of the universe (or rules, patterns, other words might be...more appropriate) describe how everything works. So if something is outside of those, it doesn't have that consistency, or else it would be a part of that. So I'm left with God, who I believe is consistent, and how He works and functions, or the rules or patterns of His behaviour, being part of those laws. And to think otherwise would give any religion no basis in an independent, true reality, which then gets kind of fallacious, trying to say that it is reality, but saying that you can't understand it because it is outside of reality. That wasn't the clearest explanation, but I hope it was understandable. That is about how my thoughts go on that.
2. (theory) I did not give an example of explanatory power, you are correct. That is something that, now that I consider it, is harder to...give. Basically, the explanation given is how we came about, and why we are here. Those explanations in and of themselves, do not sound better than at least some others. But from them we get how we should act, and why. And consequences of particular actions. And it explains why those consequences happen, if they actually happen. I think that I need to think more on this though, for a generalized explanation. On a more personal level, there are a lot of things that have happened in my past, and I suppose also in the present now, that have shaped who I am. And I can see how without them, I'd be worse than I am now (though by what evaluation I can't say), if I was even alive still. Those could be coincidence, but I find little...convincing power in that
Oct 23 2011: 3. (authority) I identify strongly with what you are saying. I tend to operate in the same way, taking people's ideas, though depending on who they are and my connection to them, I'd be inclined to sometimes consider things I would otherwise find...unlikely. I dislike package deals, which is why I hate politics, and the idea of a party system. What I mean by authority is...at some point, you have to trust someone else. We are all interconnected, and cannot do everything on our own. We let others grow our food, ship it, keep it safe till we consume it. We let others build our cars. We go to doctors. We have to rely and trust others to function. When it comes to religion, I trust some individuals to know more than me, and they make sense to me when they talk. The times when they don't...I do have trouble following them, but having at times tested what they said, and found it accurate, I've grown to trust what they say. And when I've got the belief that there is a God, that ultimately knows what is best for us, for those that receive instruction from Him, I feel that I can trust them not to lead me astray. Now, I do believe in scriptures, such as the Bible, and that they are...important sources of knowledge, but there are times when I have trouble with them, or at least the bible (I am LDS, so I also have what is called the Doctrine and Covenants, and also the Book of Mormon). I believe that, since these were all written by God, they might have mistakes. With all the translations and such of the Bible, it is particularly prone to...problems. But even for those things that I have trouble with initially, I can oftentimes find ways of thinking of them so that I don't anymore. It is the same case with science that seems to conflict with things said in my church. Usually, there is a way of resolving anything seemingly contradictory. Hopefully this is clear, and helps to make sense of what I think and believe?
Oct 23 2011: 4. (specialist) I think I agree with your view of specialist. I mostly mean that we need to trust people to fill responsibilities in our lives/societies that require special training, and that we thus can't do ourselves. Even if they mostly know better what they don't know, they do actually have more understanding of a small part of how the world works than those not specialized in that area. And that is how they are able to do things like doctoring and other what not, while we can't.
I too will now thank you! You give an interesting perspective, that helps me to think...further, and more deeply, about things. And I find what seems more similarities than differences in thought and opinion.
Oct 20 2011: Also...not to overly respond to you, but I've got one more thing to say...
You should be careful about the way you express an atheist's belief's towards God. Using the phrase refuse to believe in God gives the impression in my mind that they are refusing to see the truth, that despite that they know it, they don't want it to be so. I'm pretty sure that isn't what you meant, and that some people who not be happy with that impression applied to themselves...
I personally would just say don't believe that there is a God or deity.
Thank you for commenting on this, and expressing your ideas!
Ryan PriceOct 20 2011: Gerald and Issac if you will allow me to join this debate here, I would like to share my view on the matter.
Gerald you claim that we as humans create knowledge exponentially, but give no specifics on how we do this. Could you possibly elaborate for me? How do we as humans generate knowledge?
Also in your response to me you state, "At one point, at the begining really, you admit that some problems have no solution don't you? Why is there a God instead of nothing?"
I'm afraid I do not understand your claim. If you could possibly word it a different way then I can better respond to it.
Furthermore, you state that I think that some problems do not have solutions. I do not believe as you describe. I in fact agree with you that there is an infinite number of problems and an infinite number of solutions. The difference between me and you is where we find those solutions.
Oct 21 2011: Andrew. We generate knowledge when we create good explanations. Saying that Aeolus is responsible for the wind brings no knowledge about climatology. Saying that living organisms are vehicules for genes brings knowledge that might wipe out cancer.
And when you got a good explanation, you raise a great deal of brand new problems. So then you have these to work on, until they in turn raise new problems. This process is infinite, provided you're living in a society that allows inovation.
I said that you admit certain problems to have no solution. And you disagree. My view was that it was part of believing in God not to question its origins, its purpose, and why the heck there couldn't be just .... NOTHING instead of a universe and a creator of it?
I thought you didn't have solutions to these, that you would just say that "because He is God, He is there. Because He is God, He needs no origins. Because He is God, we will never know His purpose."
This is admitting limit in explanatory power. But you don't admit this so I was wrong about you.
You think that God can be mesured, explained with equations, albeit complicated ones. That someday we'll understand how Gods can generate out of nothing, and we just might make more of them once we understand what they're made of. Right?
Oct 23 2011: I believe in questioning things, or at least asking. If there is a God, it is good to question why, how it came about, etc. To say no, it is wrong to question is to accept blindly, which seems like a bad idea. That isn't to say that you shouldn't trust something, even when you don't have an answer yet as to why.
I don't think humans, in our present form, will ever understand God, because I don't think we have the capacity for it, but not that He is unknowable. We can know Him as much as possible in this life, and have a full understanding in the next, for the bits we're missing.
Ryan PriceOct 24 2011: We do not generate knowledge Gerald. The knowledge is already there. We just discover the knowledge.
You beg the question, "Why can't there be nothing". This is arbitrary thought is it not?
God is in fact someone we will never fully understand, because He is beyond full human comprehension. Furthermore, to fully understand an omnipotent and omniscient God, we would have to have the quality of omniscience; which we as humans cannot attain. To "create a god" we would have to have omnipotence as well. To have both these qualities would give us the characteristics of a deity; which we cannot have because we are humans.
Issac you are right on track. One should never believe in something without a good reason to do so. If not one is being arbitrary and thus illogical. Which is obviously not good.
Oct 25 2011: Knowledge is information learned, or if you want an official definition "knowledge-acquaintance or familiarity gained by sight, experience, or report."(http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/knowledge)
I just showed you knowledge by giving you that definition. As to where it is, it is everywhere, on this page, in schools, in books, in observation of animals, etc. etc. etc. The list goes on. If we as humans created knowledge then how do we know that knowledge is correct or true since we humans are faulty in our nature. Then what in turn created the knowledge in us to create knowledge. In your worldview nothing created anything, so how could knowledge exist in the first place. It is illogical in your worldview to think so.
I also have some questions, where did we as humans gain this knowledge of creating knowledge, what is the logical process of this and how did it begin?
Oct 25 2011: Andrew, exactly. We're only humans and our knowledge is proven not to be absolutely reliable. Even our best theories are likely to be part wrong, for all we know. Knowledge IS unperfect.
The only knowledge we claim to be truthfull is the knowledge we all agree on, as humans still. "The sky is blue", is a fact because we happen to agree on such statement NOT BECAUSE IT IS TRUE. We miss many colours about the sky that bees might be able to see, or other species might see it in grey tones.
This is what makes it interesting. Since nothing is truthfull, what do we chose to agree upon? That women and men should be treated equally, that no human race should rule over another, that water is wet, etc... Without this choice to make, philosophy and science would be pointless.
"What created the knowledge in us to create knowledge?" Natural and sexual selection did. We evolved as knowledge creators. This is our survival trick. We're not the only animal able to create knowledge (apes, crows, etc...), but we're the best at it since we don't just learn from mimic ; we learn from looking for the purpose of someone's action or some phenomenum, and this seems to be exclusive to us.
Does this answer your question? Or do you think refering to evolution is a cheap trick that avoids explaining? If you don't believe in evolution or don't understand how it could possibly work, I'll try my best at explaining it for you.
One more thing, "In your worldview nothing created anything". This is not my worldview. Rather, in my worldview, the origins of all things have a better explanation that just "being created either by humans or by God." This is what people believed thousands of years before the scientific revolution, when the cosmos had it's first model that didn't need supernatural intervention.
Oct 30 2011: Gerald, if nothing were true, then what makes the statement "nothing is true" an acceptable statement? I do agree that some species will see different colors, but take for example I see the equation 2+2=4. The answer is simple enough, but is that the right answer because we happen to agree about the answer of the equation or is it true. Is it acceptable for the bees to look at this equation and say 2+2=5, or any other human? No of course not, if someone told you that, you would think of them as quite unintelligent.
You unfortunately did not answer my second question "What created the knowledge in us to create knowledge." First off, the laws of information contradict the belief that we create knowledge. "No material being can create a non-material being". (you can google "laws of information" to double check this assertion) With this law in mind, it is impossible for us as humans to create knowledge, a non-material being.
As to your last point, then what is your explanation for origins? Also what makes it better? What makes it a fact if not everyone agrees upon it?
Oct 20 2011: I am also a non-Atheist. I'm agnostic.
I'm not sure that I necessarily *don't* "believe in [the] exponen[t]ial growth of knowledge" but if I indeed don't it's because I don't actually think people are limitless in intellect, not because of a mysterious supernatural force.
(Also, I'd argue that religion is more than simply 'belief in supernatural being(s)': it's the ritual that accompanies and demonstrates said belief - or in many people's cases *substitutes* for the belief.)
Oct 20 2011: You don't need to be limitless in intellect. Only Rainman would attempt to do math without paper and a pensil.
Memory capacity and computation speed has long been multiplied without our brains evolving. Try comparing genomes without a computer.
Are you saying computers are not limitless in their performance, then?
And for the second part of your comment, I was only worrying about the superstitious part of religion, since this is what separates theists from atheists. Habits and rituals do not separate them ;)
Gisela McKay 30+Oct 20 2011: Calculations may indeed be limitless, but "calculations" and "knowledge" are not synonymous.
I'm not sure a computer has ever generated knowledge. Somewhere in the grey area would be simulations which can be interpreted to form knowledge, but all the parameters were input by a person. I willingly await an example of a computer spontaneously generating knowledge.
Oct 20 2011: We're those people who wonder why this argument has been going on as long as it has, considering it's rigged such that the answer can never be provable.
Over the centuries, how much mental energy has been wasted on the topic of the existence or lack of existence of god(s)?
In other words, we're in the "I don't know and I don't care" camp.
Oct 21 2011: I've noticed that the "I don't know and I don't care camp" are particularly vocal (not necessarily you) about their agnosticism. By the way, an atheist, is by definition an agnostic. Agnosticism is a claim on knowledge and atheism is a claim on belief. Of course we don't know whether God exists or not, we don't know that there isn't a teapot circling around Mars right now as we speak, but we've got fairly good reasons to believe he doesn't exist (whichever one we're talking about). Only religious people truly claim gnosticism. I'm pretty sure you're an atheist Gisela, you just don't want to say it because it's a negatively loaded word.
Oct 23 2011: This is actually a reply to Matthieu (the way the nesting works I can't reply directly).
The problem with assuming that agnostics are vocal is that the only way to recognize them/us is when we speak. On TED alone, there have been many times I have gone into a thread and thought, "Oh not this again," and backed out (slowly, as one might from plutonium) without saying anything. There are several threads right now that qualify.
If nothing is said, you would have no idea how many others have done the same. So, we are only recognizable in the declaration, but that hardly makes most of us vocal,
I don't consider myself Atheist because I don't have (nor want to have) a horse in the race.
The entire paradigm is rigged to be unprovable, and the only sensible option is to not let yourself get sucked in.
Oct 21 2011: Matthieu seems right, Gisela. If you feel you lack the evidence to be positive about something, welcome to the club.
But... but... but... there are explanations that make sense. And explanations that don't. And this is how we chose our camp. If someone tells Matthieu that asparagus cures AIDS, he might not believe you until you explain to him the action of the asparagus on HIV, or he might want to know what tests have been conducted and in what experimental conditions if such explanations are unavalable.
Then he might believe you. But don't ask him to take a leap of faith. Agnostics or atheists never switch off their criticism.
Gisela McKay 30+Oct 23 2011: Since we went down the "food as medicine" path, I would like to comment. The odd thing about pseudoskeptics (which has nothing to do with Matthieu) is the propensity to already establish that the entire field of natural health is "woo" rather than picking and choosing on a case by case basis.
Yes, there are people who think that every rock or plant is a miracle cure for everything, and on the other end of the spectrum there are those who insist nothing works.
I admit that I have biases against certain things, but am slowly coming to the position that even placebos, if they work for 10 or 20% (or in one case 63%) of the population taking it, should be the first approach unless the situation is critical. If you can get a segment of sufferers to stop expressing symptoms with something that has no side effects, then that should be the first approach.
And then on the other end of the spectrum you have scientists (and analysts) with agenda (I really hate putting an S on an already plural word). And those who make errors (in study and interpretation). If not, every study would have the same result. There are confounding factors (in the populations under study and in methodology). There are secondary issues e.g. there is no truly inert object that can be taken as a placebo.
In other words, there is a leap of faith in taking a study at face value. You really have to do a review of the different studies done in multiple populations under multiple circumstances to draw a conclusion - and even then, there is still that element of faith.
Oct 25 2011: "to already establish that the entire field of natural health is "woo" rather than picking and choosing on a case by case basis."
The objection is towards the fact that natural remedies are often said to be an 'alternative' to modern medicine which is all chemical and all artificial. It is this obsession that somehow natural remedies is this amazing new discovery when in fact almost all of modern medicine is based on natural remedies and that we've just moved on and improved these natural remedies since then.
Also modern medicine is tested against placebos. This is a known thing. If the drugs we develop aren't better than placebo, then they're not commercialized. Therefore it makes no sense to take placebos if there is better on offer.
Oct 27 2011: Again, to Matthieu:
Really, the pseudoskeptic side shouldn't open the iatrogenic can of worms. I don't really care which side you fall on, making blanket statements about efficacy and safety is just plain uninformed.
Medtronics, the PLoS study that found 2/3 of researchers knew colleagues who falsified results, the fact that prescription medicine killed more people than illegal drugs last year, in no way compensates for people who go to Mexico to have crystals put on their foreheads and still die of cancer. Bad behaviour does not belong to one camp or the other.
But as for faith as a component of science? Unfortunately, I may have faith in the scientific method, but it is still mediated by distrust of the human beings applying it.
"Tested against placebo" means pretty little to me unless I trust that the process was handled properly. There is still an element of faith that the results have not been tampered with, that the population tested is representative of the population that will end up using the product, that there aren't secondary factors that won't confound usage, that unsupporting data haven't been thrown out, that there aren't countering studies that have been suppressed, that...
There is still an act of faith involved.
Extreme stances on either side of the fence are unsupported and, frankly, stupid.
(And because I run naturalhealthcare.ca from exactly that position, I get to hear from nuts on both sides of the fence. They sound awfully similar.)
Oct 21 2011: Let me reply to the computer stuff, Gisela.
I never said that calculation and knowledge were synonymous. And I never said that our current computers had creativity. (Kasparov is convinced that at some point Deep Blue made a move far too creative for the time being and accuses Intel of human interference).
I was saying that WE have creativity and unlimited technological memory storage and computation power to work with.
Yet I believe that creative a.i. is possible and will be achieved quite soon. Then, we won't be the only ones inventing explanations about the world anymore, or writing books about them.
Oct 25 2011: A computer is in fact capable of deriving knowledge from two or three sources of independent information (given a framework) by showing the relations that these may have together. I'd argue that is generating knowledge (and if it isn't, I wonder what it is that humans do to generate knowledge!).
Oct 26 2011: "A non-atheist is someone who doesn't believe in exponencial growth of knowledge."
I don't see connection between believing in growth of knowledge and "non-atheism". It is certainly possible to be theist and believe in exponential growth of knowledge.
I find that conversations on TED involving religion tend to descend into straw man arguments like this. Theists claim atheists don't really think about religion or even metaphysics and atheists claim theists are somehow less capable of reason because of their faith in certain ideas. Neither of which are generally true.
I find the problem revolves around characterization of religious (or atheist) ideas as being some sort of whole belief structure that is adopted in total. Really, people of even very similar religious groups can have very different ideas about the nature of their world. This same is true among atheists.
For this reason I try to reframe conversations like this from a theism and atheism, to faith, skepticism and experience. I find these concepts are better at developing a more nuanced appreciation for the wide variety of beliefs people have.
For example, many people often know very little of science and still claim to believe in it. I believe in the big bang theory, it seems pretty good to me. It has been developed empirically and is supported by evidence. However, I cannot look at the stars and see the red shift the shows the universe is expanding. Even if I was shown the actual data I lack the expertise to understand it. I have to admit that I believe in it because I trust my fellow humans in their quest for knowledge. I have faith in the institution of science.
I could be so skeptical I'm left with "I think therefore I am", but thats not very functional.
My point is that everybody has a little faith, otherwise its hard to believe in anything. Being theist is a choice in where to lay faith, its not a wholesale rejection of reason or science.
Oct 26 2011: Well argued, Scott.
Let's see if I can defend my point.
- Is it possible to be a theist and still believe in exponential growth of knowledge? From the numerous opinions I've heard and read from religious persons, this seems unlikely. At some point, they admit that humans are "not clever enough to know", that some problems will never have solutions. This humility towards explanations is what defines them best. The very first problem you encounter in religion has no possible solution : the nature of God. You hear stuff like "only God can understand God".
Also, religions have always tried to kill inovation, be it philosophical, moral or scientific. Because this is what it requires to survive, stasis. If it changes, it becomes a different cult (unlike science in this regard).
But the main thing about it that opposes exponential growth of knowledge (E. G. K. next time) is the idea of faith. And this is where you and I disagree as well. So I'll explain.
You claim to have faith in the institution of science. This is like saying you don't have any faith, since the institution of science is all about knowing that it doesn't know for sure, knowing that you can't take leaps of faith and jump to conclusions without explanatory support. For instance, you believe in the Big Bang, you say. But really, you don't. You just can't think of any better explanation, that's all. If someone trashes the whole idea with a beautiful elegant theory tomorrow, you'll be happy to give up on the Big Bang. Why? Because you already know that the theory is already doomed. All theories are, in science. There will always be better ones, and atheists know this. Theists don't believe in this principle. They don't think God is likely to be superceded by a better supernatural explanation. It's just God and Its infinite mystery.
This is why I say that religion is a rejection of science. Science is not a library where you pick the knowledge you like. It's a philosophy, Its... to be continued
Oct 26 2011: It's the idea that reason can in theory solve all encountered problems, that everything about reality is explained without the supernatural. You can either embrace this idea, or reject it. If you believe that the universe needs a creator and that the creator doesn't need one, you're wholesale rejecting science and reason.
Oct 27 2011: Not all problems are solvable by reason because not all problems are solvable. There is a set of problems in mathematics and computer science which are unprovable (such as the Halting problem). But of course, if they can't be solved by reason, neither can they be solved by anything else. A detail.
Oct 27 2011: Gerald,
I get what you're saying, but my point of disagreement is due to the subjective nature of the individual. We are only single individuals, with limited perspectives. You say "science is not a library where you pick the knowledge you like". Actually it is. In fact we have no choice, believing in science as a whole is not possible, simply because its just to big and complicated.
Imagine I spent from now to the end of my life studying science, quantum physics, cosmology, geology, geography, climatology, ecology, oceanography, paleontology, genetics, microbiology... there are not enough years in my life to absorb all of "science". From the perspective of an individual we can only pick and choose parts that we are interested in.
We can only add into the framework we've developed over our lives. As a laymen, even if I believe in the big bang, what I believe is not actually the scientific theory. I don't know that theory, its complicated and really requires expertise to understand. What I believe is a loose caricature of the theory. A long time ago there was a big explosion in space, all the gas left over was drawn together by gravity into stars and solar systems and voila! the universe! This is what most people think of the big bang. Its not exactly scientific, the real big bang theory is a lot more complicated than that. I don't know the mathematics that demonstrates that early matter was a quark gluon plasma, and I probably never will, so how can I claim to believe it due to reason alone?
Oct 27 2011: @Matthieu
I'll look these problems up. Thanks for correcting me.
Again, you're confusing scientific philosophy and scientific knowledge. You can pick informations, sure, and cannot learn everything that is known. But you can't pick bits of principles about science, orelse you don't have science anymore.
This is what I mean. You're either scientific or you're not, whether you know a lot or very little. It's about the way knowledge is created, not about the knowledge itself.
Do you see what I mean?
Oct 29 2011: I'm not really confusing scientific knowledge with scientific philosophy. After all, you can't believe something you don't know.
If you are referring to empiricism and the scientific method then I see the point you are trying to make. The scientific method is a very powerful tool for generating certain types of knowledge. Rejecting the validity of the scientific method is a rejection of science.
However, this does not negate my original point. Even from the perspective of scientific method, instead of knowledge, most people do not have belief systems that are generated in this way. Most people who believe in science do so because they believe in the institution. Very few of them have actually performed the experiments that generate those beliefs. People don't study relativity in undergrad physics and say "I'm skeptical that the speed of light is constant, I'm quitting class and performing the michelson-morley experiment in my basement to see for myself".
The fact is we have to make decisions without evidence. It is human nature to form beliefs based on assumptions and ideas that are not proven. When I say faith, thats what I mean. Faith as in simply believing in something for reasons other than proof.
You say as a theist I am rejecting reason. I say even though you are atheist, you still have faith. You have faith in your ability to distinguish dreaming from reality. You have faith in the institution of academic science. Assuming you are not a solipsist (meaning you believe you are the only conscious entity in the universe) you probably have faith that others are conscious. You have faith that the laws of physics are constant, and won't change tomorrow (some frame this as a dilemma in the validity of inductive reasoning).
You can't prove everything. If you look hard enough, with enough skepticism you will find assumptions underpinning most beliefs you have.
Oct 29 2011: Remember, when you say theists are rejecting science and reason you are referring to a lot of people. There are many scientists who are theists (gasp!)
You might think you are talking about creationists who clog up the religion threads trying to debunk evolution.
You are also accusing theists like Galleleo, Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein of rejecting reason and science.
Oct 29 2011: Interesting.
And I probably agree with some of your points. But some still tickle me, so this discussion goes on.
About faith in the scientific institution... Most people have this faith, but the reason for this is not that they cannot reproduce high tech experiments at home. The reason for their faith is that they don't care about the explanations and the origins of scientific knowledge. As long as it's been proven, they say.
Those on the other hand who do ask for explanations, who question "scientifically proven knowledge" by wondering what makes it "proven" are NOT faithful to the institution. And this is what an atheist should be, really. Someone who wants to know where knowledge comes from. An atheist should be able to tell pseudo-science from science, for instance. Faith in science is the first step towards pseudo science. This should be avoided, and is avoided by true atheists.
So there is more than experiments in science, and knowledge doesn't come only from "proof". There are explanations. And there are good theories and bad ones. What makes one good or bad is not based on personnal preference but on submitting these explanations to simple tests : does it explain? You need to be alert all the time, to keep questionning results. Faith has no place in this.
Ang again, I agree with you that proving something requires faith in a set of assumptions. But science doesn't prove things. Pseudo science does.
Science explains things, with the best explanations available. Scientific knowledge never crosses the line to become truth. Knowledge always remains assumptions so no faith is ever required. Reason is required to question if the assumptions are likely or unlikely.
Scientists don't have faith in the constance of physical laws. They're just not taking into account the fact that the laws could change, since this fact is not supported by any observation or explanation yet.
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