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Guess the Decade: Living & Dining Room - The Answer
Hard to believe, because week after week, the majority of voters get the decade right on the money, but this week, a different decade came out on top....
This was a tough one - and (unbelievably because you guys are good!) the majority of the voters didn't get the decade right this time around. 125 voters said the '70s - and it is actually NOW.
It is a room designed by Jonathan Adler, which granted, made it a bit tricky, since the late 20th century definitely influences and informs his work.
53 of you got it right by voting NOW (nice job!), followed by 31 votes for the 60's. The 80's came in fourth, with 15 votes, followed by the 90's and 50's, and the 40's were last with just 2 votes.
Mod Life, Mod Dog and Bepsf all said they knew the photo, but kindly kept the rest of the info to themselves. A few other readers went for NOW based on the eclectic vibe of the room, such as ChrisToronto, DN and PlanItGirl. Alana in Canada said that the color palette tipped her off, and for Maggieann, it was the bamboo chairs and chandelier. The slipper chair was the giveaway for Doppelganger and kimg924.
Thanks to all for playing along!
Photos: Jonathan Adler
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This room is featured in Jonathan Adler's book "My Prescription for Anti-Depressive Living"
I highly recommend it - you'll never look at Pink and Green the same way again!
Look at the size of that lamp! I thought it looked large in the original photo--but that play on scale is totally now!
I don't remember which way I voted, though!
This room is so ugly I didn't want to believe it was now.
HA! Bonjour!! Thanks for saying it so I don't have to. I was really hoping this room was quite old. And completely redone since then.
I agree! Gut this room now!
I realized I'd gotten it wrong when I read the Jonathan Adler lighting post earlier today. A few clicks later and I saw the chadelier in his collection.
In defense of all of us who said '70s, this room never should have happened after 1977.
Totally agreed with mdo: it was bad enough in the 70s; indefensible in today's design world!
A totally depressing room. It reminds me of musty shag carpet.
This confirms my distaste for Jonathan Adler stuff.
Jonathan Adler doesn't have an original bone in his body -- this just proves it!
Where are the smoked mirrors and the hanging oil droplet lamp?
And the smell of cigarettes everywhere, too!
Just to let everyone know, I have collected many vintage design books, and read a lot of design blogs that feature vintage and retro interiors, So just because someone says they know the room, doesn't mean its contemporary.
Oh and by the way, It is a fabulous room! IMHO
I'll add my criticism of this room: the painting is somehow wrong for the space, in terms of scale/ proportion (too square to be over such a short sofa on such a long wall) and color -- the colors seem to work against the rest of the room.
Yup, I'm with bonjourmiette. I thought it looked like now, but so ugly that it was easier (and more comforting) to believe it was the 90s!
I voted for now because:
-there were no such sofas in the '70s -- it is clearly a current sofa;
-those elements -- especially the chinoiserie chairs -- would NEVER have been combined together in the '70s -- it is clearly a reinterpretation of someone's ideas of the '70s. No one ever had such ridiculous animal head sculptures back then.
-Really, there was some GREAT design in the '70s, but this is a tongue-in-cheek kitschy reinterpretation of that era which people (those too young to have lived through it) unfortunately take seriously -- sad to see, because it influences the understanding that young people have of that decade. (if it is not tongue-in-cheek, then it is just really BAD).
There *was* a lot of good design in the '70s, and this room just confuses matters.
This room is just pure unadulterated kitsch.
I think monika1 is right, there was good design in the 70's. It's just that this reminds too many of us of the bad design that was affordable and therefore in everyone's basement. There should be a big ashtray on the table to complete the look.
All I know is that if a stone wall weren't going up in my kitchen even as I write, the one in this picture would make me die of envy. It's all I could see!
I guessed 90s based on the chandelier. Glad I was close.
art: i second that notion
Thank god my parents had (well, have) good taste and I grew up with white walls, hardwood floors and oriental/navajo rugs in the 70s.....
This is like the his work at The Parker Palm Springs, good intentions, but really hideous and dirty. All of the furnishings are ratty and unkept. I can't imagine paying someone to do this on purpose.
I think it's funny reading the folks posts who hate this room...
...but the guy who designed it is the one who's being paid for his design taste.
Good thing there's Ethan Allen and Pottery Barn.
This room reminds me of the smell of mildew...
I myself love many designs from the 70's and have added a few of the 70's influences into my own living room.
However...I'm not a fan of THIS room. The colors, the animal head on the left wall, the dining set, the couch...most everything needs to go. My least favorite thing (besides the color of the couch) is the rug...DEFINITELY needs to go!
"Good Lord! I'd die if I had to live there!"
I remember reading that quote ...
...but the guy who designed it is the one who's being paid for his design taste.
That doesn't mean it automatically should be held up as good design. You sound like that Mr Show sketch...


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Inspiration: A Personal Cyber Attic
While it's not our first time witnessing the transformation of attics into dedicated home theaters, this comfortable confine refines the purpose of having sloped ceilings, which contributes to improving the acoustics of the room itself. One more shot shot and details, after the jump.
The JVC DLARS2U D-ILA projector shines from the back onto a whoppin' 92-inch Draper screen. All of this is controlled by a Universal MX-3000 remote control.
As far as acoustical treatments go, this is what Kevin Hourihan, a custom electronics installer from Cyber Home Networks of Stormville, had to say about it:
"The space for the screen was limited, but Cyber Home found enough room on the gable wall to house a 92-incher from Draper. Cyber Home also chose an acoustically transparent screen so that three in-wall SpeakerCraft Tantra speakers for the front left, center and right channels could be mounted behind it, saving more room. [The homeowner] didn't want to see any speakers in a room that was already tight for space, so a 12-inch SpeakerCraft Tantra subwoofer is also mounted in the wall beneath the screen, and two in-ceiling Tantra speakers provide the surround sound.
Something also had to be done about containing and controlling the acoustics in a room like this, as sloped walls can reflect sound in unpleasant ways. So the walls were lined with acoustical absorption panels that actually make it seem like a warmer, cozier environment. Thick rubber carpet padding and a ¼-inch-thick sound barrier on the floors and walls prevent sound leakage to other rooms and the master bedroom below."
The full article and details the Home of the Year in 2009 over at Electronic House.
(Images: Electronic House)
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fan-freaking-tastic -- seriously.
Hmm... Comparing this to the $6 Million Dollar House Theater, I'd go with this hands down! And I'm guessing it cost a lot less? There's warmth in this room and a certain homely feel as well. On a cold N.Y. winter night I'd so envision myself here with a cup of hot cocoa and a great movie! Nice.
OH! Spectacular! Now, where did he get those groovy poofs from?

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The Fiat 500 is a great little car for anyone who is going on a solo mission, but anyone with a couple of kids in tow may need to look elsewhere. Fiat , well aware of the gap in their lineup, will be addressing this issue at the 2012 Geneva Motor Show in March with the 500L- an all-new model that expands the appeal of the brand's iconic Fiat 500.
The new 500L (L stands for "Large") is a five-passenger model that expands the brand's style and efficiency in the growing B-segment. It will be 163.0 inches long, 70.1 inches wide, and 65.4 inches tall. Under the hood, Fiat will place a choice of two petrol engines - the 101 HP 1.4 liter in-line four-cylinder engine from the standard 500 and a TwinAir version - as well as one diesel turbocharged 1.3 MultiJet II engine.
The Fiat 500L will be produced at the FIAT plant in Kragujevac, Serbia, and will arrive in the United States in 2013.
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Preserving Without Canning: Tips and Tricks for Spring Produce
Canning isn't the only way to preserve seasonal fruits and vegetables. Spring favorites like strawberries, peas, and rhubarb may be frozen, dried, made into vinegar, and more. Read on for tips and share your own ideas in the comments.
Asparagus: Nothing beats tender, fresh asparagus, and although it can be dehydrated or frozen, we prefer to keep this vegetable a seasonal delicacy. During the season, however, asparagus quick pickles are a fun treat. This recipe from Sunset can be ready in less than an hour, but it's even better after a day or two.
Fava Beans: Fava beans may be labor intensive to prepare, but they are absolutely worth the effort. This year we're making and freezing Eugenia Bone's recipe for fava bean cream, a "tasty puree that lends a bit of spring to any dish."
Green Peas: Frozen peas are handy for throwing into pasta, rice, soup, and other dishes year round. Wash and shell fresh peas, blanch for 1 1/2 to 2 minutes, cool in an ice bath, and drain. Freeze in an airtight bag or container with 1/2-inch headspace (the space between the top of the food and the inside of the lid) to allow for food expansion.
Radishes: Radish roots don't freeze or dry very well, but they make lovely quick pickles. Check out Dana's recipe here. Radish greens may also be used for pesto. To freeze the pesto, store it in an airtight container with 1/2-inch headspace.
Ramps: Like radish greens, ramps are delicious in pesto, which may be frozen for later (we like Food52's recipe). Pickled ramps are also wonderful; try this recipe that will last a couple weeks or even months in the refrigerator.
Rhubarb: Freeze rhubarb to use throughout the year in baked goods and compotes. Wash and cut the stalks into smaller pieces, blanch for 1 minute, cool in an ice bath, and drain. Freeze in an airtight bag or container with 1/2-inch headspace to allow for food expansion. If you love rhubarb pie, you could also freeze the filling in the shape of the pan! Syrup and ice cubes are options, too.
Spinach: To freeze spinach for use in dips, soups, frittatas, and more, select tender, young green leaves. Wash the leaves, blanch for 2 minutes, cool in an ice bath, and drain. Freeze in an airtight bag or container with 1/2-inch headspace to allow for food expansion.
Strawberries: Sweet strawberries may be preserved in countless ways. Check out these tips for making vinegar, fruit leather, dried strawberries, shrub, and soda. To make strawberry jam without canning, you could go the route of freezer jam.
• For more tips on food preservation, including freezing and drying, visit the National Center for Home Food Preservation site.
Related: Weekend Project: Freezing Fresh Produce
(Images: Emily Ho)
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I am just getting in to shrubs, flavored drinking vinegars. I LOVE the one I made with rhubarb. It's a nice preservation project that can be done with even a tiny bit of rhubarb.
@RachelTB, ooh, I'll have to try rhubarb shrub! What kind of vinegar did you use?
We've been without a real kitchen for nearly a year (slow DIY remodelers), so last year all my preservation was non-water-bath. Some of our favorite freezer jam experiments: Strawberry Balsamic Black Pepper; Strawberry Rosemary; and Spiced Plum. Also loved experimenting with fermenting: traditional cabbage sauerkraut is great, but you can do it with nearly any veggies if you can it afterwards, although the cabbage family adds the right bacteria for months of food-safe storage just in the fridge.
We freeze a lot of blueberries in the summer. They're great to put on ice cream, with plain yogurt, in lemonade/juice, or just to eat on their own!
Strawberry freezer jam is one of my absolute favorite foods of all time. I think it tastes so much better than canned because the strawberries are raw. Looooove it!
I love the idea of freezing veggies and fruit but haven't been as successful as I would like. I checked out the National Center for Home Food Preservation that you recommended and found it to be so helpful. It truly answered all of my questions about freezing. It even includes how to freeze fowl, fish, meat... Thank you so much for this post!
We've kept (and eaten) picked ramps for up to a year. Maybe I shouldn't admit that?
I had too many radishes this spring (it was my first time growing them) so I pickled them and it was an intense and wonderful pickle! It was similar to the link above, but there was crushed pepper in it, too. I'm experimenting with more refrigerator pickling lately and it's been fun!
(although I could look this up on the usda's site)
would it be most wise to vacuum seal things like strawberries and peas since they have a tendency to get some nasty freezerburn/frost?
How nice to see my fava cream recipe (via Edible Cape Cod all those years ago)! It was first published in my preserving book, Well-Preserved, in 2009. Fava cream is a marvelous condiment to have on hand. It's great cooked with fish, or used as a pasta sauce. This spring I am serving it with orecchiette and garnished with ricotta salata or pecorino cheese. Eugenia Bone


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Let's face it, married and attached ladies. We've all occasionally -- maybe even just once, maybe even just for half a millisecond -- wondered what it would be like to have sex with a man besides our husband or SO. Maybe we happen to go to a cocktail party with our man and we're happily chatting when some Channing Tatum lookalike just happens to saunter by in tight jeans and damn look at that -- but, err, I digress.
There's nothing wrong with having a little crush on a member of the opposite sex, even if we're in a relationship. It just means all your parts are working. But when does it go from being a healthy sign of your vajay still being good to go, and being a dangerous sign that you're about to buy a ticket to Cheatville?
Here are 9 signs you're about to cheat!
Detailed fantasies. It's one thing to think, in passing, almost against our will, "Gee, I wonder what that hot stockboy would be like in prone flat on his back in my boudoir ... " and it's another thing when you've picked out the time, place, and lingerie you're going to wear when you seduce him. Taking your fantasy to the level of daydreams about another man so intense that you forget you're driving or have to change your panties means you're starved for good lovin' and could be at risk of taking your fantasy into reality.
Finding faults. Suddenly you're looking at hubster thinking, "Why can't he dress better? Why doesn't he open the door for me? Why does he have to be such a freakin' slob?" You start picking apart all of the flaws in his character -- flaws you once probably found adorable -- and it could be a sign that you're digging around for excuses to cheat.
Starting fights for no reason. If you find yourself having a bit too much to drink so you can pick a fight with hubby, storm off, enter a bar, and start flirting, I'd say you're longing for the drunken embrace of that hot bar fly with the cool stache.
Contacting old flames. It's one thing to friend your high school boyfriend on FB because you're curious to know what he's up to, and it's another thing to friend because you're curious to know if he still looks good, what his wife looks like, if he's even still married, and if he's happy. Especially if you take that a step further and begin emailing. All ... day ... long. Defriend quickly and get thee to some couples' counseling.
Daydreaming about Christian Grey. Whether it's Christian Grey or some other fictional character -- imagining about how much better life would be once you meet that perfect man in real life is a big red flag for cheating intentions. Not to mention that no one is like that. That's why these guys are fictional. And written by women.
Accusing your husband of cheating. Unless you've got some hard proof he is cheating, this is called "gaslighting." And projection. You start accusing hubby of jonesing for the cashier at Starbucks or flirting with your best friend or god knows what else. This is because your guilty conscience is eating away at you, and you hope if he confesses to some transgression, you can get on with doing your own.
Dressing up to go -- anywhere. If you're in a relationship yet your concern with your appearance is so intense that you put on false eyelashes to go to the gym or hot pants to hit the feminine hygiene aisle, you're just hoping you'll run into someone who will appreciate your effort.
Hiding your relationship status. Whether you're suddenly telling cute guys that you went running in the park over the weekend (and neglecting to mention that your husband is your running partner) or deliberately "forgetting" to upload pics of hubby Facebook, making yourself seem single to others is a sign that you really want to be.
Coming straight out with it. If you ever find yourself saying, "I'm thinking about cheating," well, you're not lying.
What are some other signs you're about to cheat?
Image via WaltStoneburner/Flickr
i "dress up" to go anywhere. i like to look presentable. no hoochie mama stuff, but i like to wear make up and nice clothes. DH always asks why i need to look like a movie star before i leave the house.
I think, sometimes, the temptation to cheat can be a matter of opportunity more so than an issue with your relationship. These criteia seem to suggest that a woman is basically looking for someone to cheat with. From what I have seen, often a person pops up in your life (i.e a coworker, trainer at the gym, friend of a friend, etc), and because of a strong physical and possibly a strong emotional connection, the temptation to cheat arises. Things like finding new flaws with your man and serious fantasizing, scheming, etc., come into play as a result. Not saying this is always how it happens, but I do believe it's probably frequently the case.
It's an ok list, but doesn't take into consideration insanely immature men who do things that look suspicious... When in reality they just aren't using their head.


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By Sydney Bucksbaum, Hollywood.com Staff
Last week's Arrow, "Trust But Verify," introduced us to Vertigo the street drug from The Glades when Oliver's sister Thea was arrested for crashing her car driving while high on the euphoria-inducing narcotic. Tonight, we are going to get an even deeper look into the world of Vertigo when we meet the kingpin behind it all, The Count.
Arrow fans already know that The Count is going to be an adaptation of Count Vertigo from the Green Arrow universe, and Hollywood.com got the chance to chat with the man behind the villain, Seth Gabel, about the massive differences between the two baddies.
Hollywood.com: So you are used to playing honorable characters like Lt. Danny Sefton in Allegiance and Lincoln Lee on Fringe. How does The Count measure up to your past roles?
Gabel: ""The Count is not so honorable. The Count is definitely willing to be cheap, and not very honorable in his battle tactics. He's very much obsessed with power and money, and will do whatever it takes to acquire those things.""
How does Arrow's The Count differ from Green Arrow's Count Vertigo?
""It's a definite adaptation to this darker, more realistic world that is Vertigo. And instead of being an Eastern European count as is depicted in the comic, I am a street thug drug kingpin who doesn't have superpowers. But the superpowers that the character has in the comic book are manifested in the form of the drug called Vertigo, which I push on the citizens of Starling City.""
What are The Count's motivations, and how does he land on Arrow's List?
""Just wanting more power and money, and to be the king of the streets. I don't think he is initially [on Arrow's List] but I think he finds his way onto The List through his actions.""
Is that connected to Thea, and her recent arrest due to The Count's drug?
""It's possible but I can't say for sure.""
Why is The Count one of the most formidable opponents Arrow has faced so far?
""He's definitely in the tier of foes who welcomes the challenge of the Arrow character, and is not afraid of that conflict. [He] actually welcomes that opportunity to prove that they are greater than he is. Well, I can't give things away I keep wanting to give things away and I can't! Arrow and I do have some great showdowns, and ultimately what he thinks is doing good might actually cause more harm in the long run.""
Will The Count come back after tonight's episode?
""It's definitely possible. I've only shot one. There is talk, but I can't say anything because it's too early in any process for testing it one way or the other.""
How did you get the part of The Count, when it is so different from anything you've done before?
""I got a call from [exec producer] Greg Berlanti who I had worked with on Dirty Sexy Money saying that there was a Joker type villain that was going to be coming up in the show, and would I be interested? To which I replied a resounding 'yes.' Once I read the character I was extremely excited, because it's the boldest character I have ever gotten to play. I made it my goal to really take big risks with the character, and [to] not be afraid to be over the top while at the same time keeping the character grounded in the reality that they have been depicting on the show. I tend to lean on the more subtle choices with most of my work, so with this I really wanted to make sure that I pushed myself, so that whatever natural subtleties I had, they would bring that in and keep it grounded in reality. And I just kept trying to push the envelope.""
Do you have scenes with anyone other than Oliver as Arrow?
""Ummmmm Yes.""
How did you get into character?
""I listened to a lot of dubstep music. I just wanted music with a lot of pumping bass that would just get me in my body, and get me to kind of settle into my groin, which sounds really weird. But when you change the center of gravity in your body and move it to different areas, it completely changes the way you are physically. So I wanted this character to be very low in his groin in terms of center of gravity, so that he was very grounded in the streets. It really just changes the way you walk, and makes you seem very playful and intimidating. ""Basshead"" was one of [the songs] I listened to. Ratatat, Bassnectar, and The Glitch Mob.""
So you described The Count as a Joker-type villain. What does he look like?
""There's a lot of black, and the two things I had asked for going in were black fingerless gloves because they made me feel like a street thug and a .38 snub nose revolver. I just wanted the character to have a gun that was like a little pit bull or a terrier in my hand. It was small and easy, but capable of being incredibly violent without much notice.""
What was your favorite part about taking on this role?
""Getting to experience the world of a comic book series was so much fun for me. I have watched it for so many years, and have so badly wanted to play in that world in some way. [Being bad means] I don't need to hold myself back in any way, but can absolutely be vicious and out there and overly-theatrical.""
So now that you got to play the villain of a comic book series, what hero would you most like to portray?
""I loved Cyclopes in the X-Men comics and the X-Men cartoon series. Actually, the cartoon series growing up was the most epic drama I had ever seen in my life.""
Watch Arrow tonight at 8PM on The CW.
[Photo Credit: Jack Rowand/The CW]
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With Gov.-elect Nathan Deal set to take office today — despite the weather that has shut down schools and most businesses — I thought this was a good time to share this piece by Peter Smagorinsky, a professor of language and literacy education in the University of Georgia College of Education:
By Peter Smagorinsky:
"Hoping to attract and keep top teachers in public schools, Georgia is changing the way educators are hired, paid and rated through a new evaluation system with far greater emphasis on student performance." So began Jaime Sarrio's recent article in the AJC on the latest effort to grade teachers, and post those grades to the public, based on students' standardized test scores.
Tying teacher performance to test scores is one of several efforts to grade teachers' performance, and is the centerpiece of the $400 million Race to the Top grant awarded to Georgia in the hopes of improving teaching and learning. Because the money has been awarded and linked to scores, this plan is a fait accompli. But it is but one of many plans circulating presently to make teachers—and teachers only—accountable for learning in schools. Administrators, taxpayers who vote against funding initiatives, policy makers, politicians, parents, and students themselves are not among those whose performances are identified as contributing factors to students' learning, however measured.
One plan reported recently proposes that teachers be evaluated by the parents of their students. As a parent of two who have now finished their secondary education, I can see why some parents would want input, given the stories their children bring home from school. But for the most part, their information is provided solely by their kids. I'm not sure I'd want my pay linked to what kids tell their parents about what's happening in school. If you think that grade inflation is a problem now, wait till this plan goes into effect.
As a regular reader of Maureen Downey's AJC education blog and column, and of the many comments that readers make in response to what she writes and shares, I have had an opportunity to eavesdrop on, and often participate in, discussions among teachers, parents, taxpayers, people who oppose taxation, and others who are invested in education in Georgia. The one group that continually impresses me in terms of their knowledge about education, their understanding of teaching and learning, their passion about schooling, their intimate knowledge of the lives of 21st century youth, their frustration with political and administrative meddling in their work, and their profound commitment to their profession is the group of Georgia schoolteachers who contribute to these discussions.
The discussion in general identifies many causes for the perceived problems in Georgia schools: pervasive poverty, uncommitted families, bureaucratic interference, administrative incompetence, indifferent students, and terrible teachers. Now, I'm no doe-eyed innocent; I know that there are bad teachers. There are also bad politicians, journalists, cops, parents, priests, lawyers, and college professors. Getting rid of bad teachers would be great for the system, and I think every good teacher would agree that there are some real losers on their faculties. I taught in some of the best schools in Illinois, and amidst our generally exemplary staffs were some embarrassing colleagues.
But their presence in the teaching force should not demean the many thousands of dedicated, intelligent, reflective, and knowledgeable professionals who provide the rank and file of school faculties. In reading Maureen Downey's readers' comments, I hear these teachers speak of the tremendous pain that they feel in being part of a profession that is continually battered by public commentary from education officials, taxpayers, and other stakeholders from outside the system. All of the solutions posed from without emphasize punitive approaches to addressing problems of student performance that villainize classroom teachers and reduce their complex and challenging work to students' scores on multiple choice tests. Teachers' judgment is routinely ignored as people from outside the teaching force impose assessments on them that are as superficial as the scores by which kids themselves are deemed successful or not.
Remarkably, in all the discussion about how to improve education in Georgia, the people closest to the action and most knowledgeable about schools are routinely and systematically ignored: the teachers. Perhaps the general lack of confidence in teacher competence makes policymakers wary of enlisting them in discussions of how to determine their effectiveness. But given the solutions proposed thus far—test scores, and then more test scores—I would say that we are not presently in an era of administrative enlightenment when it comes to evaluating teachers.
I propose consulting a new set of stakeholders to come up with an accountability system for teachers: classroom teachers in Georgia. I suspect that more than anyone, they want to sift out ineffective teachers who make their own work more difficult and create perceptions that are generalized to the whole profession. Based on my reading of comments on AJC education articles, they care more about teaching and kids than anyone else in the discussion, know more about what matters in school, and know what distinguishes good teaching from bad. So far their perspective has been ignored by policymakers. But if you want a system that has buy-in and credibility, and that is informed by sound professional judgment, put together a commission of respected classroom teachers and see what they come up with. It couldn't be any worse than what we're getting from outside the classroom.
– From Maureen Downey, for the AJC Get Schooled blog
January 10th, 2011
9:05 am
I couldn't agree more, Peter: Go directly to the teachers to seek reform ideas. I would also ask myself the question: How do weak teachers get credentials?
January 10th, 2011
9:09 am
A well-written piece that I very much agree with. However, I would be astonished if that commision were to ever materialize and have any real influence in policymaking. Politicians will only be interested in 'reform' which puts all the burden on the one group that they can control financially: teachers.
January 10th, 2011
9:12 am
I wholeheartedly agree with what Professor Smagorinsky says. In recent years there has been a whole lot of lip service to Deming's quality improvement cycle, but it has been from the top down. Anyone familiar with his work knows that the cycle was designed and works best when the front line forces are given the same level of involvement as upper management when it comes to improving their product. In America, we still use the top down approach in just about everything.
When charter schools started and before they were commandeered into the hands of profitiers, they were led by teachers. That was what made them so novel and that is what made them work. If you examine great schools today, you will find that teachers are major stakeholders in the decision-making process. Teachers who are worth their salt know their students' needs and are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure the students are learning. Unfortunately, the top-down cure-alls being sent down the pike do more to undermine this valuable resource.
Merit pay, achievement-based evaluations, and other nonsense will further harm the good that happens in many of our classrooms. The over-emphasis on high stakes testing will continue to bring down the quality of education, too.
January 10th, 2011
9:22 am
If Nathan Deal and John Barge are truly interested in improving education, they will develop a system that brings teachers to the table. To often the "representatives" who are invited to the table are administrators and superintendents who have their own agendas to push.
It seems the last time GA sought teacher input was the infamous Perdue administration teacher survey. We've yet to have anyone in the media or state government call them on the carpet for the obvious distortion of truth. The survey was clearly written to support the Hames/Perdue agenda (RttT application) and distributed to unsuspecting teachers.
When you have teachers in RttT districts that are just finding out that they will have to participate in pay-for-performance, you've got a communication problem.
January 10th, 2011
9:22 am
Here is a quote from a curriculum coordinator in middle Georgia:
This week I did a training session with middle school ELA teachers titled Struggling Reader Strategies for Grades 4-8. I used a good bit of information from Tim Rasinski, McKenna's book on struggling readers, and even some of the Reading First strategies for decoding and word work. However, I was met with much resistance and excuses of "not enough time" to deal with the struggling students. The bottom line is that there is so much negativity among teachers due to the pressures put on them that they are skeptical to try anything even if it doesn't take any longer than 5 minutes or goes beyond basic questioning that they can grade easily to meet grading deadlines.
This is an indictment of the last eight years of budget cuts and wrong minded accountability.
January 10th, 2011
9:29 am
Unfortunately, the policy makers would most likely solicit feedback from folks who would tell them what they want to hear. It already happens that way at the school and district levels. Why should it be any different at the state or national elvel?
January 10th, 2011
9:31 am
"levels" instead of "elvel"…too much snow and ice today!
January 10th, 2011
9:49 am
Brilliant, Peter, absolutely brilliant, and I mean that. You and some of your readers have identified the issues that stand in the way of our public schools, issues such as power, control, and top-down authoritarianism. And your ideas can work if and when we, the teachers/parents/citizens, refuse to settle for the mindless (and greedy) attempts to pound our schools into factories and our children into widgets.
January 10th, 2011
9:59 am
@Michael Moore: I wonder if that coordinator/presenter has ever heard of the work of Stephen Krashen? And I heartily agree with the response: the resistance from teachers is about the obscene pressures put upon them. In the last fifteen years in which I have volunteered in public schools (urban, poor, almost entirely African American), I have witnessed only a handful of teachers deserving of the criticisms being leveled at all public school teachers. I estimate that about 95 percent of the teachers in the schools I know are dedicated heroes who are being TOLD to accomplish numeric miracles while starved, blindfolded, hands tied, and feet chained. No one with power seems to have a clue about the true miracles that are occurring every day in our classrooms.
January 10th, 2011
10:02 am
My experience with legislators is that most do not want to be confused with the facts.
January 10th, 2011
10:18 am
Classroom teachers, present and former:
Let's follow up on Peter's excellent suggestion by forwarding our ideas to:
firstname.lastname@example.com, &
for starters.
We'll be more effective if we're respectful, brief, specific and intractable.
January 10th, 2011
10:19 am
Since it appears spring break has arrived early this year, I plan to spend a few hours drafting a letter to my legislators. I've been sorting through research and data for the past couple of weeks to compile into a letter. They may not want to hear the facts, but I fully intend to send a few facts their way.
January 10th, 2011
10:21 am
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January 10th, 2011
10:25 am
Rep. Lindsey promised on a previous blog post that he would provide an opportunity for teachers to weigh in on the new evaluation process. I hope he keeps his word. Not having true and meaningful input from teachers is so fundamentally wrong and short-sighted…
January 10th, 2011
10:26 am
Bravo! Very well put!
Re: the third paragraph — my grandmother, who was a classroom teacher for 40 years before retiring in 1970, had an expression that summed this up for her parents. It was, "I'll believe half of what they tell ME about YOU, if you'll believe half of what they tell YOU about ME!"
January 10th, 2011
11:02 am
This is a brilliant idea that will never happen. After all, if we let teachers develop an evaluation system, then "experts" like Erin Hames wouldn't really be necessary, would they? And what do you think the odds are of getting rid of those "experts"? Unfortunately, teachers will continue to be the villians, and the media will continue to do the leg work for the "experts" who perpetuate this myth.
January 10th, 2011
11:12 am
@Dr. Peter Smagorinsky: Excellent article! Bravo!
Now, to see if anyone is listening…
@Dr. Craig Spinks – great ideas! Thanks for the handy email addresses!
January 10th, 2011
11:34 am
Ranking what is wrong with our schools from worst to everything else:
1.) lazy students
2.) bad parents
3.) poor administration
4.) unfunded mandates
6.) teachers
I am not a teacher, but I am very tired of teachers taking the brunt of the excuses when they are way down the list of problems.
January 10th, 2011
11:38 am
I can't help but believe that our current math curriculum would be much different had the powers listened to classroom teachers. I was in a training session when representatives from the doe offered a question and answer session regarding the math curriculum. The concerned math teachers were treated like we were just against change. I assume there are different opinions, but I believe this new one-size-fits-all curriculum has been a mistake and a failure.
January 10th, 2011
11:59 am
Thank you, Professor! We have a few weak teachers in our school (of about 40 teachers). One is a little weak on skills (not the brightest bulb); the other 3 could be helped to be stronger teachers with the proper motivation. They aren't BAD teachers, just not at the level of the others. Don't know if any are on PDP or not.
First suggestion: Standardize all the nuts and bolts. That is,every student on grade level at the beginning and end of each year. If not, find out WHY not. Start in kindergarten or first grade and move up year by year. Child must be on grade level to continue. Each teacher ensuing is tasked with continuing the grade level advancement.
To be considered: How do we measure a year's growth? CRCT is NOT IT. It is not valid even within the year. We would need to have a way to show that the child has mastered the skills needed for the next grade's success.
Second consideration: What to do with a child who does not demonstrate appropriate skills? Do we look at the "why?" If the teacher can demonstrate her efforts via lesson plans, observations, homework given, needs-based grouping (ON GRADE LEVEL,not 2 years behind because all children in the grade start on level), then the child is retained. It is a matter of the child and its parents who did not make the effort. Perhaps they will with another year in the grade. (I predict a marked improvement in student effort if this happens in 75% of the cases.). Student is also tested for sped.
If the teacher does not demonstrate that she has done her part of the education "job", then she is on a PDP for one year with mentoring and monthly accountability, and the student is placed in a "developmental class" for the next grade. The developmental class is especially designed to be a small class with a very experienced teacher, who will attempt to remediate deficits and move the child along in the next year's curriculum. The student may or may not then be eligible to go to the next year with his original class, or he may remain behind a year and be tested for sped. (Like infertility, things are frequently due to multiple causes.)
Secondly, children with behavior problems that result in their inability to profit from class will be routed into a small behavior-management class with high structure and support. If their behavior problems result in serious disruption to their classmates, they will be put in an alternative settings.
(Aside: I currently push into a class of 24 under-achieving 5th graders. They are of average or slightly below-average ability, but their school careers have been marked by years of misbehavior serious enough that it has impacted their attainment. They are 1-2-3 years below grade level. If they had had the program listed above,it is possible they could be on grade level, and they would not have collaterally damaged dozens of classmates in their wake.)
Of course, this would require 1)money to provide the smaller classes for those with problems, 2) testicles to follow through and not grant exceptions, 3) tests and observations free of bias and highly valid. But think what would be gained–the majority of students who actually proceed through school,on target and achieving the goals realistically set and measured, the empowerment of parents to focus some effort on motivating their children (or be held back), classes significantly less hampered by poor behavior, a chance for kids who are behind to get up to speed, and a way for teachers to be evaluated for what THEY do, rather than what others do (or don't).
All this may be snow-induced delirium. It would involve putting the weight on all 3 legs of the stool,and would require other significant changes in the way we go about educating our children. I believe most children want to learn (perhaps not what we actually study in school) and that many of our parents could do a better job supporting their children if they have to in order for them to advance. I think we would see achievement rates improve after several years of this program, as parents and students see that there are no excuses accepted. "Have to" is a tough taskmaster.
One of the huge failures here in Georgia have been the two times that I am aware of over the last 40 years that the legislature supported the idea of "you have to pass a test to go on" and then it was immediately watered down with exceptions so that now NOTHING is required other than being a living, breathing body. This is how we have 5th graders working on third grade level, and third graders on first grade level. And why we have teachers crying, "Mercy!" when expected to solve every social, emotional, and intellectual problem of the children who show up in our rooms. The accountability ladder has to go both ways!
We have many very astute bloggers here who would be excellent candidates for assisting with drawing up workable evaluation tools for legislators, GDOE, local administrators, teachers, parents, and students!
January 10th, 2011
12:09 pm
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January 10th, 2011
12:22 pm
@Cindy…this particular coordinator is a doctoral student and very familiar with Krashen. She was trying very basic steps with struggling readers. She wouldn't advocate the same practices for developing readers. I think she points a growing mindset trend. I will paraphrase Peter here: When all you require of teachers is to be technicians then that is what you will attract.
January 10th, 2011
12:51 pm
This discussion needs to consider that being certified as a teacher and working for a public school system are two separate things. Working for an independent school would exempt a teacher from the scrutiny of standardized testing and being graded by some government entity yet they would still hold credentials. Lawyers, doctors and other professionals police their own ranks, teachers should as well.
In developing a rating system, performance and professionalism should be the primary considerations. If doctors were judged by the death rate of their patients no one would go into geriatric medicine. Teachers with struggling, high risk and high ESOL populations need to be rated on what they do with these students not what the students do. One should also consider that a groups of smart and angry fifth graders could sink a teacher's career if they all conspired to fail the CRCT .
January 10th, 2011
1:02 pm
Tip of the Iceberg made an excellent point that often gets overlooked: How do teachers who are ineffective gain the credentials necessary to become a teacher?
I work with someone who admitted that it took him four tries to pass the GACE. FOUR. And yes, he's not someone I would want teaching my child; both because he lacks the appropriate content knowledge and because he's just generally ineffective.
Since we're talking about publishing teacher report cards, as a parent and teacher, I would love to see other things too. GACE scores and number of attempts for starters. This should matter and I think there's a strong correlation between this and teaching competency. I'm aware that there are exceptions – people can be gifted in a field but not be talented as a teacher. I've seen that too.
January 10th, 2011
1:02 pm
Good points! After all, who're being cheated when a student is placed in a grade or course wherein s/he lacks the knowledge, skills and/or attitudes to succeed? Him/herself? his/her classmates? his/her teacher? his/her community? his/her state? I think all.
But what proof do we have that specific pre-school and remedial programs are actually helping kids get ready for their next steps? Are we funding programs which do not provide valid and reliable evidence of academic and/or social progress by kids who are behind their age-peers in academic and/or social achievement? Needy kids need effective programs, not programs with only catchy names.
January 10th, 2011
1:12 pm
@catlady…I have a few suggestions for middle and high school.
Suggestion 1: Bring back reading at the middle school level as a separate course. When the middle school concept took hold, English and Reading standards were combined into LARTS. Many middle schools dropped reading as a separate class. Teachers are expected to cover both sets of standards in one class. IMHO, this isn't working and is one of the reasons high school teachers are seeing a decline in the number of 9th graders prepared to read high-school level textbooks.
Suggestion 2: Recognize that many middle school teachers were never trained to be a reading specialist. My undergraduate degree is Middle Grades/ Math and Science. I had two reading survey courses as an undergraduate. I am not qualified to teach reading; however, I am highly qualified to teach middle school LARTS. That's crazy. Place a reading specialist on every middle school team.
Suggestion 3: Stop pretending the CRCT provides any meaningful data to teachers. Look at how the reading scores are broken down. Teachers are only given the # correct within each domain. For example: the domains for reading are – Vocabulary, Literary Comprehension, Reading for Info, Reading Skills & Vocabulary Acquisition, Functional & Media Literacy. That's it. Data that is a mile wide and an inch deep.
Suggestion 4: Bring back the vocational track in high school. The one-diploma is a train wreck. Allowing students to chose at "pathway" does not undo the damaged wrecked by the one-size-fits-all diploma.
Suggestion 5: Fund summer school every single year. Too often, we would not find out until the last minute if the state was sending funds for summer school. Sometimes there was enough money for 2 weeks, sometimes 4 weeks, etc. We never knew from one year to the next.
January 10th, 2011
1:40 pm
Dr. Smagorinsky, I love your writing. I always enjoyed reading your articles Joan Hall had use read in the late 90's, and today I couldn't agree more as well. Teachers must be stakeholders for any of this reform to work. I vote for catlady to be on the advisory committee to the state BOE/Governor. Catlady, I love your ideas for reform. I wish it was that easy to get kids the services they need. Now with the need for a school to make AYP if a student is getting services elsewhere like say in ESOL he/she may not be considered for the services they need.
January 10th, 2011
2:11 pm
What??? Listen to the teachers? It will never happen. The only group in the school system that can be controlled and intimidated is teachers who need their jobs and are afraid to express their real opinions.
If you want me to be evaluated solely on my students' test scores, then don't send me students who are below grade level, who never bring school supplies, who do not bother to turn in work or push a pencil across the page, whose parents can never be reached, who are major behavior problems, and the list goes on. When I have perfect studetns then evaluate me ONLY on their scores.
January 10th, 2011
2:16 pm
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January 10th, 2011
2:24 pm
What???? Ask teachers??? Don't you know that teachers don't know ANYTHING about education? They only teach because of the fabulous pay, 8-3 hours, and three month summer vacations.
January 10th, 2011
2:34 pm
@Veteran teacher, 2 — that's my experience, also. Notice that Lindsey & Morgan have yet to schedule their meetings to hear from teachers. In fact, I expect to hear any day now that they didn't actually propose any such thing.
January 10th, 2011
2:53 pm
I second EdDawg's recommendation for Catlady to be on the committee that puts forth ideas that she mentioned above; in fact, she should be chair of the committee. The ideas that she laid out would level the playing field when remuneration for teachers is based on student achievement data. Teachers of the Year should be invited to be on the committee as well. Set committees up regionally, perhaps according to RESA regions, have specific tasks assigned to each committee and report back dates. John Barge, are you listening?
January 10th, 2011
2:56 pm
P.S. Excellent and well-thought through article, Dr. Smagorinsky. Thank you. Also, to Ms. Downey, thanks for posting it.
January 10th, 2011
3:10 pm
I echo this. It is one of the best articles I have read.
January 10th, 2011
3:24 pm
Here's an idea: hire an independent auditor to determine where $ can be cut…am pretty sure he/she will not say "cut teachers." Get rid of the waste at the admin level and central office and spend some $ where we need it: at the local school level.
January 10th, 2011
5:44 pm
This is an extremely well written article and the reader comments are truly accurate. Private school guy had an interesting thought about students possibly purposely planning to fail the CRCT to sink a teacher. I'd like to add that all the emphasis for passing "the test" in middle school is placed on reading and math. The science and social studies teachers do not have enough support, funds/materials, or respect to begin with and allowing the students to feel that these two subjects are less important, unfairly jeopardizes the future of these educators.
I totally agree that a teacher's pay should not be subjected to the whims of others and especially for things that they have no control over. As mentioned in a previous comment, there are too many exceptions available to those students who do not pass the test. Let's remind the public that criteria was established for mandatory passing for grades three, five and eight. These exceptions permit students to progress year after year and who are unprepared for the current year's work. They have become dependent on moving ahead without doing the work and passing the CRCT.
It seems to me, that the powers to be really do not care about the success of the students. Instead what looks good on paper and sounds good at the moment is more important. In fact, this also includes the grading system where teachers are forced to keep failures low or be reprimanded by letter or PDP. The teachers are held accountable for students who just refuse to perform!
I hope in the near future teachers are taken seriously and heard loud and clear.
January 10th, 2011
7:03 pm
I LOVE catlady's ideas, especially as revised by teacher&mom. My additional suggestions for right now would be:
1. Eliminate "committee promotion" for all students except the intellectually disabled immediately.
2. Forbid the GaDOE from further lowering cut scores, and require tests to be improved/cut scores to be gradually raised until more valid tests (possibly coming with the Common Core Curriculum) can be developed. (Meanwhile, is there another test that can be used to indicate whether or not students are actually below/at/above grade level? It is just plain wrong when students and parents believe that students who barely pass the CRCT are "proficient".)
3. Put reading specialists in the high schools, fully fund remedial reading and math courses at the high school level, and require remedial reading courses to be taken by all students whose Lexile scores are not high enough to adequately read and comprehend high school textbooks.
January 10th, 2011
8:15 pm
If all the state constitution requires is a "free and ADEQUATE" education, then how about charging parents to have students take classes they fail. I think once for free is adequate. Fail 6th grade math? Fine, take it again as a 7th grader, but it'll cost your folks. That solves both remediation and funding at the same time.
By the same token, let a 6th grader with strong math skills test out and take 7th grade math. With the use of virtual classes, we can have a lot more fluidity in grade levels and achievement.
Have more fluidity in classes – with one's birthday not being the sole determinant of whether you are a 6th or 7th grader. Maybe have a window from September 1st to December 31st – have the students take a school readiness test – those that pass are in. Those that don't have to wait til the following year.
Do like the private schools do, and have a "pre-first" grade for those not quite ready for first. Or have half grades – grade 3.5 – for kids who don't have the skills for the next grade. Let them learn the next grade's curriculum (like science and social studies) while working on the current grades skills (math and reading).
January 10th, 2011
8:21 pm
Forgot to add – if you are going to make tests count for the teachers, then you need to make sure they count for the kids as well. They will not take them seriously otherwise – they are kids! Make them valid and reliable – make them easy to read. I had so many kids tell me (on the science test – day 4 of testing) that the questions were too wordy, they knew the test didn't count, and they were tired, so they just guessed.
January 10th, 2011
9:16 pm
Thanks, Peter (and Maureen)! Well said!
January 10th, 2011
9:57 pm
@Northatlantateacher 1:02…"I work with someone who admitted that it took him four tries to pass the GACE."
Your comments about multiple attempts at the GACE are so true. At both schools that I've worked at, there have been at least 2 math teachers (at each school) who had to retake the middle grades test multiple times. I even know of a few who had been teaching on provisional certificates who were eventually let go because they could not pass the test after several attempts. Anyone who has ever taken this test should know that this is absolutely ridiculous. The most complicated math that I remember being on the test were slope concepts and 2 variable systems, and you can still pass without those if you are strong enough in other areas! I would like to go out on a limb and say that anyone teaching math above 2nd grade should have to pass this test. It is absurd t think that someone who doesn't have the content knowledge to understand the importance of 2nd/3rd/4th/5th grade mathematical concepts as they relate to later math should not be teaching math. It really should take someone with some math aptitude to be able to teach math.
I am one of the first to say that there are many things wrong in education outside of a teacher's control, but this is one area where I strongly believe needs some work! I highly suspect that only 50% (or less) correct is required to pass the test, and anyone who cannot make that bar within 2 tries should have to take classes prior to being allowed to test again. The cutoff for passing should be at or over 75%. Also, the GACE should be the one aboslute requirement that must be met PRIOR to teaching, even on a provisional!
I'm not sure if the multiple failing attempts is specific to math/science, or if it is common in other areas, but I do know that math education is sequential and it is hard to undo one year of a teacher who lacks content knowledge!
January 10th, 2011
11:10 pm
To add to that, many of us suspect that the state switched from Praxis to GACE to "dumb it down" some more. Either that, or someone at DOE is related to someone at Pearson. Or both.
Everyone I know who has failed the GACE multiple times has failed the math part, and with one possible exception they've all been weak teachers, and we couldn't understand how they actually got degrees. How does someone who can't pass the GACE get a college degree?
January 10th, 2011
11:58 pm
I took PRAXIS in Social Studies – you can't even take a broad field Social Studies in GACE (way to make money I suppose) but I remember being in the free response portion and people in the room telling me to sign up for the next administration the second I walked out the door. One person opened the book for the free response, closed it, handed it to the proctor and left. That's scary. I passed PRAXIS with a nearly perfect score and received an award for being in the top 15%. Now my sister is a math teacher. She took the GACE prior to graduating her undergraduate program (she has a B.S. in Math and a MAT in Math Ed). She passed it the first time no problem.
January 11th, 2011
6:13 am
d, I didn't take either (old enough that I took the TCT) so I'm just going by what I've heard and observed. Most of the bright teachers I know say the GACE is extremely easy, just as our bright students say that the GHSGT is.
Many of us didn't think it made sense to stop using a nationally-recognized test in favor of one created by the state unless the state wanted to hide the fact that it was requiring lower scores than other states on the Praxis – and different states do require different scores for certification (http://www.ets.org/Media/Tests/PRAXIS/pdf/09706passingscores.pdf)
Of course, the state does seem to have a "thing" for Pearson, which created the GACE, and also created, publishes, and scores most of the other state tests, and sells most of the dedicated student tracking and gradebook software we use….
January 11th, 2011
6:14 am
and d, congratulations on your great score!
January 11th, 2011
7:49 am
First, thanks to all the teachers who have weighed in on this issue. If anything, you make my point that teachers are the greatest experts on good teaching far better than I did in my column.
Second, in today's Athens Banner-Herald, Rep. Lindsay has written a column chastising Dick Yarborough for not calling him before writing a critical article (http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/011111/let_768432100.shtml). He closes by saying, " I invite Yarbrough and any other interested Georgian to contact me on this issue or any other education reform. My legislative office number is (404) 656-5024 and my e mail is firstname.lastname@example.com."
I do hope you take him up on his offer with the free time afforded by the school closures.
January 11th, 2011
8:14 am
In elementary school, it might be difficult for all the homeroom teachers to pass the Math GACE, but this might be an area where one teacher in a grade level passes it and specializes in math and all the kids rotate through that class. We have talked about this before under the topic Teacher Preparation, but I think every teacher (Elementary included) should have a 4 year degree in an actual subject, not Education. This would add some rigor and eliminate some of the weakest candidates. Requiring every teacher to pass competency tests before certification is a bare minimum and there should be a limit on the number of times the test can be taken. There are many reasons a teacher may be considered "bad", but incompetence should not be one of them, especially since passing a test is not subjective, you either pass it or you do not. Make this requirement more stringent and instantly eliminate one of the variables that allow incompetent teachers in our schools. Good teachers will support this move.
January 11th, 2011
9:22 am
I sent Rep. Lindsey a letter outlining my concerns and suggestions over a week ago. I spent several hours composing it. I have heard nothing in return.
January 11th, 2011
9:28 am
@ST671 Thanks
@Long Time Educator I know in my sister's case she wanted to teach Math since her freshman or sophomore year in undergrad…. she started as a theater major but changed to Math her junior year when she showed a talent for the subject. She was going to major in Math ed, but Georgia State did away with that major so she majored in Math and then got her masters in Math ed for certification purposes, but I think she had to have another 15 semester hours of graduate level math courses in the process on top of all her teacher classes.
January 11th, 2011
10:38 am
This is very well put.


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Please help! New mom, 3rd degree tear and in pain from stitches...
Hi im a new mommy for a week now. I had a hard long birth delivery and now I have a 3rd degree tear! I was told to take narcos and another pain reliever but it makes my baby sleepy so I refuse! Its been 8 days and I wanted to know how long does it taje for stitches to heal!? For me recovery has been worse than giving birth :( im worried that what if Im not taking care of myself and how am I suppose to make sure I dont get an infection. I cant sit right or enjoy my baby because I am in pain... Plz help me
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It's been a week today since I got third degree stitches! But I feel it's getting more painful! I was given ibuprofen for pain relief, did anyone else use it? Sitting in warm water every day for like half an hour feels really good though! I am glad I found this post, hopefully I will recover soon.posted 07/07/2013 by Asro
hi, during labor my daughter was hitting against my pelvic bone for 3.5 hours of hard labor. after 4 hours went buy the had to reposition me. i was cut 3rd degree up and down. so i only had one hole. my daughter is now 3 months/ i'm 3 months post partem and i can do yoga, and take walks, but i can not go for bike rides as it bumps against my bottom and it hurts quite a bit. give your body time to heal. i was sore for 2.5 months. i am not sore any longer. ps. when you notice you bleed more than you did yesterday , it means you are overworking your body. so listen to your bodies signs that it tells you.posted 07/03/2013 by 143Luna
oh wow i cant believe you went threw that =( it is insane the recovery we go threw to have our babies but your mother is right it is all worth it. i thank you very much for your advise. its been 6 weeks i went to the obgyn yesterday and he said everything has healed very well but i am still sore and as it was healing in the past month... i did have to look down there with a mirror i had to see what was going on and if i had anything wrong. it is scary it is insane how we are left. im glad it does get better and in time you can enjoy your baby like i can now. i will have to wait for sex im afraid to even stick my finger inside. because of that my doc told me i didnt have to get a pep smear, until im ready. with all that said im am happy to say i am free of pain i can now enjoy my baby and all i have to do now is just take it easy because i am still sore but with all the advise from you ladys i know there is hope and i thank you all for such great advice!!!!!!!! THANK YOU SOO MUCH!posted 02/12/2013 by Mirandaa55
I had a 4th degree tear. ripped upwards into me and all the way to my butt (yes, I had one "hole" til I got stitched). so trust me, I definately definately definately feel you. I honestly didn't feel right "down there" until recently- 6 months after I gave birth. my tear was just slightly worse than yours and everyone heals differently, but I'd at least give yourself 6 months to feel right again. then after I'm sure you can go to OB/GYN and ask them to check it out if its still not feeling right. BEST ADVICE I can give if you're anything like me, do NOT use that mirror to look at the damage that was done, at least not til a couple months. While I'm sure any mom can agree the damage done is worth the little bundle of joy, you don't wanna get in your own head like I did and wonder if your body can even handle a second child.posted 02/12/2013 by a BabyCenter Member
first i like to say congratulations to you and wish you journey as a mother will be a very happy one. I went through that pain in 2011 my child is now 16 months. The healing process for me was 1 month. With the 3rd degree pain I had a bed pan full with warm water over the toilet bowl. Every time I used the bathroom i will clean myself off first and then sit in that warm water to help with the pain. and it works so well for me. giving birth to my child wasn't so hard. It was the stitches. Will love to have another child, but not as a single parent.posted 01/27/2013 by mylittletwetty11
Oops, my answer is too long lol. Sleep will help your body heal the most. Don't worry about other things or try to get things done around the house, just try to relax and take it easy for awhile, instead of sitting try to lie so the pressure isn't on your stitches. You're over the worst of it! It'll get better! Now you can begin to enjoy that beautiful new babe. :)posted 01/16/2013 by Sarang-Noel
I can't imagine what it would have been like without the epidural either :\ I'm really sorry you had this experience. It does fade from memory with time. At first, after my baby was born, I never wanted to have another one again. Now, almost 13 months later, I am slowly starting to think another one might be okay :) After some more time still ;) I've always wondered since I left the hospital why they let people with big tears take so long to go back to the dr for a check! Wouldn't you think a person with a third degree tear should go back sooner than somebody who had no tear or episiotomy? You would think they would check to make sure they're healing properly. I guess we all get through it, though. A bit more advice, don't try to rush sex. We actually didn't DTD for months afterward! I was too nervous and it was still pretty sore. Explain to your SO how you feel and for now get close in other ways. Hang in there, relax and sleep as much as you can!! That will help your bodyposted 01/16/2013 by Sarang-Noel
Thank you all soo much for your advice its been a week and ahalf and the pain isnt like it was before. I still cant get fully comfortable when sitting but at least the pain isnt how it was. I was crying everyday cuz of it. It realy makes me not want to have another baby but who knows... I have not yet gone to the docs that will be in about 4 weeks I will. All I can say is thank god for epidural! I dont know what would ofhappen without it. Im only 23 and its unfortunate that I had this experience =/posted 01/16/2013 by Mirandaa55
Oh, I feel for you :( I felt like recovery was the hardest part too and now I'm scared to have another child after having a third degree tear with the first. (It should be fine, though!) I was also very worried about infection and I took the peri bottle idea one step further. I made my husband go get a long-necked shower head and after most times I used the restroom I hopped in the shower and washed off with it real quick. Not a full shower, just the lower part and as fast as possible because frequently the baby would wake up if I was gone very long! It took probably a couple few weeks before it wasn't really hurting and then a few months before it felt more normal down there. Make sure you pat dry the area well when done cleaning, use Tucks pads and/or witch hazel (you can put either in the fridge for extra cooling comfort if you want), try a sitz bath if you can get the time, move carefully, yes- laxatives and good fiber foods and patience for bowel movements. You will heal and the worst is behind you now. Hang in there and enjoy your new little one! Congrats!!posted 01/15/2013 by Sarang-Noel
Use the tucks pads, sit down slowly try to avoid spreding your legs apart too far. Also, get one of those gel pack things, wrap it in a towel or something and put the tucks pads on top, it helps, it is bulky but it does help. I stopped taking the vicodin after 2 days of being home. Get in the car seat slowly too, it was still mildly painful for me to do that after 6 weeks I promise it does get better, and don't try to do everything at once, take it easy as much as you can and let your body heal. I used the peri bottle for 3 months because I wanted to make sure everything was kept clean. I hope this helps you some. I almost forgot, drink alot of water and take laxatives, it hurts bad if you don't drink enough and without the laxatives. Walking helps too, and once you are healed, kegels. Hope this helps.posted 01/14/2013 by meredithfranklin08
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Malik told the council the program was another piece of the city's overall economic strategy, with a primary goal of creating more local jobs. He described it as something similar to the Tracy Mall Revitalization Program passed in May 2010, a policy that brought Macy's to the West Valley Mall.
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If God is omniscient is free will an illusion?
I'm agnostic but interested in the truth so I do a lot of thinking and research on philosophy and religious issues in order to keep an open mind. It occurred to me when I was thinking one day that if God exists and he already knows everything I'm ever going to do then every decision I'm ever going to make has effectively already been made. This would mean that there is no such thing as free will. Since free will is a necessary ingredient for sin to be meaningful this has some pretty astounding implications. Thoughts?
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Gordon Barker 10+Feb 1 2013: Isn't this a little like asking who can go faster, Superman or the Flash.
If you have a made up character and then give it made up characteristics and then pose questions about what some oddball ramification might be given one of your characteristics you sound like to nerds arguing over comic book heros.
Feb 1 2013: I have no problem saying that God is made up as I'm reasonably sure he doesn't exist. However, it is impossible to prove a negative and if you are intellectually honest you must always admit the possibility that you are wrong. If I must admit that I may be wrong then I must always keep an open mind and must always examine new evidence. As part of evaluating that evidence I had the thought that led to this question. The answer to the question and the process of debating it can lead to further evidence and new thoughts that may lead to better understanding.
Feb 2 2013: Naturally you can not prove a negative however it would be an error to assume that positive and negative always have equal probability.
In this case, god not existing or at least not being required has mountains of evidence behind it and god existing or being required none or next to none (depending if you have any stomach for circular arguments or not)
I will always change my world view based on evidence and in fact have had to throw away many earlier beliefs upon better evidence.
I have never found it necessary to change my world view to include a god.
I wonder why that is.
Feb 2 2013: I agree with you for the most part and have had several major shifts in beliefs in my life as well. The logical contradiction I thought I found got me curious to see what others made of it. It is also pretty controversial topic and, being new to TED, I wanted to see how people would treat it. So far I'm impressed with the results, which also include your thoughts on the matter.
Feb 2 2013: Gordon, you have total and complete freedom to believe what you choose to believe. That is what makes you, you.
It is made impossible by God to proof anything spiritual on this natural level. He protects our spiritual freedom as the apple of His eye. It is that freedom that makes us human.
As humans we have total freedom to do good (or evil) and to believe truth (or falsity).
For that reason we cannot measure love, or say what colour is has or how much it weighs, It is a spiritual substance and thus cannot be seen on a screen or in a test tube. This also means we can pretend to love something or someone.
In fact that is the process of life. Kids learn that pretending to act nicely means presents and kindness. It is after pretending for a while (and seeing the benefits) that we learn to love it and so become a kind and nice and loving person.
It is this process that is the spiritual meaning of the Creation Story. To go from a spiritually void person to a fully spiritual person. As is described here,
But the ball is in our court..
Feb 2 2013: If you believe God is no more than a comic book character why did you not pass right on by this post? What is there about it that attracted you? Are you hoping to rescue, or convert those of us who believe differently than you do? Do you have a rational basis for not believing in God? If so the entire world is waiting for you to share it. Or do you have no rational basis for not believing in God but choose to not believe anyway? If so you are arational. Or do you think there is rational reason to believe in God but choose to not believe abyway? If so, you are irrational. I am unaware of a fourth classification of Atheism so may I ask which you are? Thank you!
Feb 2 2013: This is a forum for conversations. I would not want you to labour under the assumption that I tacitly agree with you simply because I choose not to reply.
So, my comment is that the question sounds a little silly, like two kids arguing over superhero powers and I wonder why you don't see that.
I certainly am not attempting to convert anyone and I don't expect you to be converted as I hope the reverse is true with you.
Most if not all athiests have rational reasons not to believe but if you are stuck in a 2000 year old paradigm, it is unlikely that you would understand or accept it
Rather than spend your time attempting to place me in a "quadrant" of athiesm, I would rather you spend your time trying to come up with a rational reason to believe in god that does not refute experimental observation.
I think the world has been waiting for that for a long time.
Feb 3 2013: I will return the ball if and when you hit it back to me. Right now it is in your court as evidenced by the unaswered question, namely, are you a Rational Atheist, an Arational Atheist, an Irrational Atheist, or some new denomination? The subject of this post is God's omniscience. If you do not believe God exists what on-topic contribution could you honestly add?
Feb 3 2013: For what good it does, I am a rational athiest according to your limited categories. I actually don't use the word athiest as I also do not used the word a-astrologist or a-alchemist.
My contribution to the topic is that it is a ridiculous topic. You have made up the concept of god, given the concept certain powers and then argue about them.
How many angles can fit on the head of a pin.
Feb 3 2013: I trust you know that to avoid the use of the word Atheist neither lessens its validity nor affects its applicibility. Is your last sentence a question? If so, is it about angles or angels? Anyway, If the only contribution you have to this conversation is to label it "rediculous" and impugn those who participate in it then you violate the spirit of TED Conversations and of common respect. By the way the categories are not mine. They are from an MIT philosophy course:
Three Levels: (MIT course "Problems in Philosophy" Fall 2010)
1.RATIONAL ATHEISM: there is a rational basis (sound reasons) for not believing in God.
2.ARATIONAL ATHEISM: there is no rational basis for not believing in God, but do not believe anyway.
3.IRRATIONAL ATHEISM: there is a rational basis for believing in God, but do not believe anyway.
Thank you!
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