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STAR WARS EPISODE VII - Wild Fan Speculation, Or A Distinct Possibility?
Nordling here.
This dropped into my inbox this morning. THIS IS COMPLETE AND UTTER SPECULATION, but I have to admit that it does raise some questions. Talkbacker lv_426 sent me this little screed:
LV_426 here.
In case you haven't seen it yet, I figured I'd forward my silly little theory from the talkbacks that Damon Lindelof and Brad Bird might be the writer/director team for Star Wars Episode 7.
My theory...
Damon Lindelof and Brad Bird are already set-up as the writer/director team for Star Wars Episode 7.
The reason for this speculation is that there was a spec script project called 1952 that Damon Lindelof sold to Disney recently (see link below).
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Some specifics from the First Showing article that might point to my theory:
"Brad Bird and fan-favorite film writer Damon Lindelof are teaming up for a new project at Disney. Bird, coming off of his first live-action with Mission: Impossible Ghost Protocol, is set to direct the mysterious large scale sci-fi project 1952. Whether that's just a codename or an actual year related to the story, we're not yet sure, but the project "has multi-platform aspirations" meaning Disney wants it for theme parks, retail stores and theaters. It'll no doubt be a "big tentpole" movie, and with these two storytellers leading the way, it is definitely something to watch for."
So in addition to the new Star Wars films, we have theme park and retail store aspirations? I don't know about you, but this sounds like it could be the next phase of Star Wars via the Disney model.
Again from First Showing:
"Now we know that Brad Bird is definitely on-board to direct, but other than that, still no plot details. Anyone? It sounds like Disney has something on their hands that could be huge, and they're making sure to build it from the ground up properly, with the right talent top to bottom. I just wish we knew any extra details about what it was actually about."
My theory is that 1952 is a codename for Star Wars episode 7, 8, and 9. Just as Blue Harvest was used as a working title to throw the media off when Return of the Jedi was in production.
So why this mysterious project known as 1952 though? Because the title alone seems to refer to the year 1952, just as titles like Kubrick's landmark of science fiction 2001: A Space Odyssey or Wong-kar Wai's romantic sci-fi piece 2046 refer to specific years in which the films take place. What happened in 1952 then that makes this seem logical? What I think is the obvious event is an incident where supposedly some UFOs "buzzed the tower" Maverick and Goose style if you will, over Washington D.C between the days of July 19–20 and July 26–27. This incident, known as the Washington flap, is precisedly the type of project that a writer like Damon Lindelof would seem to be interested in (retro, sci-fi, conspiracy theory-laden, and infused with the American mythology of the UFO phenomenon). Disney's 1952, if it is actually about this supposed UFO fly-over of Washington DC, sounds interesting. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing this type of 1950's UFO paranoia done up in big budget Hollywood style via Brad Bird. The thing is, could it be that Disney, Lucas, Lindelof, and Bird needed a really good cover story to mask their involvement with brand spanking new Star Wars? I think this could very well be a ruse not unlike the Blue Harvest concept, which was very thorough in covering up the production of Return of the Jedi.
Another factor is that Mark Hamill was born on September 25th of 1951. I'm guessing that since this story will probably have Luke as the Obi-Wan type of mentor as many around the world are suggesting, that it was a cute little Lindelofian trick to throw people by having the fake title be of a year so close to both Luke Skywalker's birthday and the implication of a possible movie connection to the Washington D.C. UFO fly-over. Lindelof and Disney figured it would be a better ruse to switch the year of this fictitious film from 1951 to 1952, so as to steer speculation towards the UFO fly-by concept.
Oh, and we can't forget that Qui-Gon, I mean Liam Neeson, was born in 1952. Perhaps a connection, or maybe I've watched Aliens too many times and the ping ping ping of the motion tracker has driven me insane?
Again, they're already setting up a whole trilogy that kicks off in 2015, which unless Star Wars Episode 7 is a holiday theatrical release ala Bond or The Hobbit, that leaves only about two-and-a-half years for Disney and the new Kathleen Kennedy captained Lucasfilm to get a script finished to a polished state, put into production, posted (in 3D), and released. For all we know, it is likely that the script has been written and polished and Brad Bird is directing while Lindelof is involved in some capacity as a producer at this point. Pre-production could very well be underway if we look at this current time table of about two years from now as a release date. We're at the end of October 2012. Let's say Star Wars episode 7 is going to be released in the middle of summer, say mid-July. That leaves only two more months for 2012 (minus a couple weeks for all the holiday loss of productivity). Then another 28-30 months if they were to release in mid-July 2015. After all, you've got to leave time for prints and marketing and director and writer/producer hyping and interviews). Even if Disney throws money at this, it is not something they will take lightly, as getting Episode 7 drastically wrong will be a huge problem for them and future plans to grow Star Wars into an even bigger cash-eating wormhole, er, I mean fiscally sound investment in intellectual property.
So I'd say this also could explain how Disney already has the basics worked out in terms of being able to announce Episodes 7-9 and more Star Wars films after those every two to three years apart. I wager that Lindelof sat down with George Lucas months ago after his Prometheus work ended, and hashed out the basic story structure for this new trilogy, and perhaps even some of the ideas for stuff that comes after. Just like he sat alongside Ridley Scott and rewrote John Spaihts' Alien Engineers* script, which became a film many of us talkbackers love to bitch and moan about, Prometheus.
-- Call me LV_426 and Nuke 'em from orbit, cause it's the only way to be sure.
Now, first, please don't send me your weird fan theories about what Episode VII will be, or whether this is even true. Save that for the Talkback!
Second, I'm perfectly fine with Brad Bird helming anything STAR WARS if that comes to pass. But Damon Lindelof... let's just say that I hope that's not true, or if it is, that he doesn't play that whole mysterious never-answer-a-damn-thing when it comes to STAR WARS. STAR WARS does raise questions through its plot, this is true, especially after THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. But it also DEFINITIVELY answers them and doesn't leave anything vague when it comes to how the stories play out. Lindelof hasn't definitively answered a question through his work to many people's satisfaction. ("Hey, Damon, what time is it?" "Hmm. What time do you THINK it is?")
Again, THIS IS MERELY SPECULATION. I have no inside knowledge, and I'm certain lv_426 doesn't either. However, I thought the theory was just too interesting not to at least share with the rest of you.
So, feel free to talk about it below - what comes next for STAR WARS, story-wise? Has Disney been planning for this for some time now? (I'm sure they have, but I doubt that anything would get out, and certainly not like this). And just remember - George Lucas gave Disney and Lucasfilm his ideas and his treatment for the next three movies, so the story is already past the simple conception stage. At this point, Disney and Lucasfilm have to actively be pursuing all possibilities - 2015 isn't THAT far away.
So, knock yorselves out!
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Nov. 1, 2012, 8:33 a.m. CST
by Brian Hopper
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:34 a.m. CST
I will start a boycott if Lindelof, Abrams, Orci or Kurtzman are involved with Star Wars in any way.
by Brian Hopper
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:35 a.m. CST
Keep fucking Damon Lindelof away from this!
by Judge Briggs
NOOOOOOOOO! NO FUCKING Lindelof!!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST
by chuffsterUK
Oh dear...
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:36 a.m. CST
That"Frist"was aimed at m6y :-)
by chuffsterUK
He he
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST
JJ Abrams
by Eric Hines
Not the guy for this
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST
Stephen Furst!
by Brian Hopper
If you like that better.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:41 a.m. CST
A New Hope?
by J
I admit, the announcement that Disney is now officially master of the Star Wars Universe was a ground-shaking moment. Nerds across the globe spontaneously burst forth in dance and shouts of "YubYub!!" like the hairy, chubby little Ewok SOBs we are. The mantra of 'Hail! Hail! The Wicked George is….well…not dead…..but….gone?' continues to ring forth throughout the web and traditional media. It is almost as if we collectively believe that our years of mounting heartbreak and disillusionment with how the franchise was being run into the ground by it's father/creator reared up like so much force lightning to lay him low, leaving nothing but a feeble, crusty-old white man. (Truly, what IS a Nubian?) Still, although the Honeymoon period of this newly revealed relationship has only begun and we are all vicariously spending our days amongst the tangled sheets and sweaty bodies of the emerging four billion dollar negotiations, it is only a matter of time until reality firmly insinuates itself into this little loveorgy and starts leaving the proverbial bathroom door open. Face it, we are all going to have to take a long hard look at this pairing, no doubt soon to be blessed with some soul-numbing E! News amalganame like 'DisCas' or 'LucNey', and individually ask ourselves "Is this relationship really going to be good for me?" Personally, my answer is yes, I believe it could be. I do want to make one thing clear though….I am not a hater of George. In fact, I have the utmost respect and understanding for the guy. I know what it's like. George is like any father. He had a great time at conception. He was floored by the emotional impact of delivery. Doted on it during its infancy. Spent time he didn't really have holding it in his lap, reading to it and tucking it in with a heartfelt kiss to the forehead during the toddler years. Was proud when he realized that others actually liked it and told him how cute it was and how it would one day grow up to be something incredible. How, being a father actually made him more popular with the women. Then, a sequel. More to love and be proud of. More to show off his virility. A little less time to spend, but he makes the effort and it shows. Although he would never admit it out loud, the second one is his favorite. But, still, it's getting tough balancing everything. He tries to make time to take them out, push them on the swing and show just how great they are compared to the neighbor's kids. Then, number three comes along and things begin to slip. There is the money to take care of. Work is really starting to overwhelm and, no matter how much he branches out, he insists on trying to take care of everything himself. He realizes that outside forces have taken over raising his little ones, who aren't so little any more. His own influence is rapidly slipping away and, even though it is obvious that this may not be a bad thing, he puts his foot down and tries to regain control. He pulls them to his chest, makes what he considers necessary 'advancements' and 'improvements' that were not available when they took their first steps, and turns them back out into the world for all to see. He is crushed when Child Protective Services shows up at his door and informs him that, if he doesn't watch his ass, they will be taken away from him for their own good. He thinks long and hard about it and decides to put his efforts into starting a new family. He brings forth into the world a fresh new baby. One with a cherub's face, but all too obvious dark ties to its older siblings. To compensate, he insists on having it wear that demented pink bunny costume with the floppy ears, just to try and please everyone. It doesn't work. He tries again. This time, he makes sure to add a little sugar and spice and delivers his first female offspring, full of gooey love and romps through tall grass amongst giant ticks. She is received a little more favorably, but he realizes that dealing with a daughter's particular needs is much more tricky and decides to rush out another newborn. One that will hopefully make up for any questions as to his masculinity. A desire that, as it often does, leads to unnecessary overcompensation. His newest gift to the world turns out to be a full-blown bully replete with deep-rooted self esteem issues and a lack of willpower leading to self-abuse, rebellious behavior, falling in with the wrong crowd and culminating in unwarranted violence and unrequited love. He realizes his mistake too late and is left to face the fact that, although his intentions may have always been pure and his actions based on love, he still wound up with a brood of thoroughly fucked-up children. Children that we all, as a society, must now contend with. Love 'em too much, or Love 'em not enough, Dote on 'em or flat out Ignore 'em, they're still gonna wind up broken. That's just the way it is. To me, George did the only honorable thing he could do at this point. He admitted that he could not do anything more for them, much as he loves them all, and he turned the task of recovery and further positive growth over to the one person who has both the means and the desire to do what is best in everyone's interest – Uncle Walt. Sure, there are those pesky, yet persistent rumors that The W was possibly a Nazi and that the only way he really liked children was crispy and with a side of bleu cheese dressing. But that is the past, and surely has no bearing on the heritage he left behind. Of course, the point could well be made that Disney has become the Walmart of the entertainment world. It may even be fair to say that any further decisions for George's beloved family will be made based much more on the proposition of how much money can be made than on one man's personal desire to create an upstanding and productive citizen, but is there really any difference between the two? When, exactly, are we forced to admit that, through all of the love and all of the heartache and all of the effort we put into raising our children, it is with an understanding that they will, in turn, provide for us when we are old and drooling with arthritic hands and a load of crap in our pants? This is simply how the world turns. And I believe that Disney, who has already had many years of close collaboration with GL and his many offspring, will do right by us all. They may do it for different reasons, but I am confident that, in the end, a new light will be shone upon this particular universe. One that will confidently show us the wonders yet to be seen and rekindle the brightness the world first perceived on that fine spring day, a long time ago (in 1977). Just Sayin'
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
Can Star Wars really get fucked up anymore than what Lucas did to it?? Go back and add Mickey Mouse ears to R2D2 and Goofy teeth to C3PO. Who the fuck cares at this point?
by Drew
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
I dont doubt Luke's Return, But this is Tin Foil Hat Shit
by doom master
WTF, man...whatever Star Wars these folks create will obviously have nothing to do with the Empire, and if it does, it surely won't be Darth Vader, or any of the old cast...Save maybe the droids. Really, I have no idea WHAT these guys are going to tell storywise, but its probably best if people stop rustling their jimmies over it - the plate is too big to think what could be done....
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
Oh now, there is a problem with who is doing.
by shutupfanboy
You fanboys wanted Lucas out now you are going to get someone worse. I am not sold on Bird either by the way.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:43 a.m. CST
Yes, it is clearly speculation -- even a stretch to call it that
by ATARI
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
Lens flares in Star Wars = ass in seat! :P
by MrMysteryGuest
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST
by dave
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST
Tin foil
by Kevin
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST
Lindelof's twitter quotes...
by Tiredtot
My twitter feed: 38% : "You should write the new Star Wars!" 47% : "Don't fucking touch the new Star Wars!" 15% : Undecided.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
1952 is now called TESLA
by Green
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
Lindelof - Lost then Prometheus now...
by The Reef
ruining the end of the Star Wars Nonet with more vague plotless musings about faith, evolution and the perception of reality. Star Wars it the WWII French Resitance - King Arthur and Merlin - The Battle Of Britain - spaceship fetishism and good old fashioned saturday morning cinema story telling. Force the film makers to make it without CGI - an in camera, lo-fi, Trumbull style extravaganza of filmmaking skill. And run that Damon out of town for at least 7 years until the job is done. But if we get rid of him from this, he'll only appear on Ridley's Bladerunner remake / sequel / whatever ...
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:48 a.m. CST
Lindelof's twitter quotes...
by Tiredtot
My twitter feed: 38% : "You should write the new Star Wars!" 47% : "Don't fucking touch the new Star Wars!" 15% : Undecided.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST
I believe Luke will return. Go back in history...
by planetran_fan
...I seem to remember reading back in the 70's or 80's (maybe in the TIME magazine Star Wars people under 30 edition or the one with the cubist cover of Vader's helmet???) that Lucas committed the three stars (Mark, Carrie, and Harrison) to a post year 2000 movie, where they would play older versions of the characters in the third trilogy. Makes sense to kick off a new trilogy to have Luke leading a resurgence of Jedi Knights. I could do without Carrie and Harrison though. Ford has always disrespected Han Solo IMHO.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST
Lindelof's twitter quotes...
by Tiredtot
After saying how shocked about the Disney buyout, he next tweeted... My twitter feed: 38% : "You should write the new Star Wars!" 47% : "Don't fucking touch the new Star Wars!" 15% : Undecided. ...Now, why would he even bring that up? Its seems like he has a big ego to even mention himself writing Star Wars, and to make a joke of himself writing Star Wars and all the hate he would get is even stranger. Then he tweets... Chewbacca's great-great grandson is named Drewbacca and he must overcome his allergies to lasers and meat. #IdeasForEpisodeVII Yoda's Ghost gets annoyed by Obi-Wan's Ghost (too much whining) and they fight with Ghostsabers. #IdeasForEpisodeVII ...are these jokey tweets now placed to throw us off from his writing tweets?
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:50 a.m. CST
Of course they need Lindelof
by Mr Lucas
in order to come up with dialogue on a par with George's "you can write this shit but you can't say it" standard of awful dialogue. If the schoolboy standard of Prometheus is anything to go by he'll do fine, just fine.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST
Aside from their lack of talent, the worst thing about
by Brian Hopper
that Abrams/Lindelof/Orci/Kurtzman crew is, it's always all about them. Look at Star Trek. Now that they've ruined it and sit atop the rubble, Trek fans are forced to look at the 45-year history of that distinguished franchise through the lens they provide. God help us if they get their selfish, untalented mitts on Star Wars.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST
Why can't you use quotation marks here?
by Tiredtot
My quotes blocked posts made me look like a dunderhead!
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST
Thanks for making it clear that this is only speculation
by Shankapotomus
After using hard science like Mark Hamill and Liam Neeson's birthdays as clues, I thought we could go ahead and put this in the fact column. Seriously? Star Wars continues to make talk-backers insane.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:51 a.m. CST
No way Abrams takes this on after doing Star Trek.
by notcher
I could see Lindelhof although he doesn't excite me at all, but JJ isn't going near this one. I'll be anxious to hear about who comes aboard...the starship!
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
by Stale Elvis
1952 1 + 9 + 5 + 2 = XVII Fucking idiot.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
This affects us all..
by UltraTron
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
And...can the third trilogy end with the robots descending on earth in Pharaohic Egypt? Remember, R2 and C3PO are represented in the temples of ROTLA. Cool it would be.
by planetran_fan
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
by MJAYACE
19: Episodes 1-9 5+2: Episode 7 5+2+1: Episode 8 9 : Episode 9 9-5-12: Date Turkey neck made the final call on Disney giving him the cash. 52: George's waist size 1952: Jabba's waist size 1952: AIEB (spelled in reverse is BEIA which is Michael Bay's first letter of last name + Leia minus the L) I love conspiracy theories. Does it really matter? Its Star Wars on the big screen. Those who's asses will be in the seat will be there no matter what and those who will find something to bitch about will still see it. I am happy regardless, even with the faults of the prequels. It means lightsabers on the F'ing big screen and not those dumb ass Youtube videos where geeks (here's looking at you dorkman) do an amazing job with the effects and choreography, yet wear street clothes.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
Let me go ahead and call it now...
by KabutoKoji
Stephen Amell (the main actor from the CW TV Show Arrow) as Luke Skywalker, Josh Duhamel (Fergi's husband) as Han Solo and Maggie Grace(Lost, Taken) as Princess Leia. No other known actors resemble the originals as this trio, properly and professionally made up, of course, in order for them to resemble the originals even more. Hell, Amell even has that mole under his lip in the same exact place where Mark Hamill has his!
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
Damon Lindelof = Me never seeing this movie. The guy is a hack who ruins everything he touches.
by Mr. Moe
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
That would explain the UFO connection with 1952...maybe.
by planetran_fan
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:53 a.m. CST
That would explain the UFO connection with 1952...maybe.
by planetran_fan
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST
@ pieman67
by Ray Tchoulakian
Uhh...1+9+5+2 = 17, not 7 From the moment word broke of Episode VII coming in 2015, Brad Bird was the first guy I thought of to direct it. I'd love to see his vision of Star Wars. As for Lindelof, I enjoyed Prometheus, but was very disappointed with how Lost had ended. I'd much rather see someone like Lawrence Kasdan be brought back to write it if he's interested. If not, then Michael France or John Logan.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
Stop bitching about Lidelof and praise you some Brad Bird
by BackwardGalaxy
Seriously. Am I the only one who sees that Brad Bird could potentially be involved in Star Wars and hitting the freaking roof?
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:57 a.m. CST
Brad Bird? You mean the guy who has directed exactly ONE live action film?
by brokentusk
I liked GHOST PROTOCOL well enough, but let's all just calm down.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9 a.m. CST
RE: recasting previous characters
by Ray Tchoulakian
Why bother with recasting characters from the original trilogy to have them be around the same age as they were 30+ years ago? I like the idea of having this new trilogy take place decades after the Death Star blew up, and Luke is the age of Old Ben Kenobi. Luke leads the new Jedi council, and an entire new generation of Jedi now police the Republic. I don't see the purpose of making sure all the original trilogy's characters come back as fan services, especially since Lucas made every effort to do that with the prequels and that failed miserably.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:01 a.m. CST
This is the saddest story AICN has ever posted.
by brokentusk
Mark Hamill was born in 1951? Liam Neeson was born in 1952? REALLY? Also, the film is called 1906, not 1952 (according to IMDB). What a waste of time.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
Not a
by YourMomsBox3D
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
Demon Lindelof to semi-pretend to explain Midichlorians!
by buggerbugger
And I, for one, can't fucking wait! It will be hilarious! And, somehow, linked to Jesus.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
Please please please...
by Stale Elvis
...please go back to filming on physical sets. No more green screen bullshit. Give the actors something tangible to work with.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:02 a.m. CST
"Lucas won't write the next STAR WARS" YEAHHHHH! "Lindelof will." NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
by Rob
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
Lindelof = DO NOT WANT
by Rob
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
by brokentusk
There is no way in HELL any of those people will be cast.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
1906 was a previous Brad Bird project...1952 was announced in May.
by blackmantis
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST
Not a Star Wars guy AT ALL, and this story is assinine cow-flop, but why would you uber-fans complain about this pairing?
by YourMomsBox3D
Lindelof is a far superior writer than George Lucas (I'll give the man conception props, but that's about it), and Brad Bird is a much more competent director than Sir George as well. If this story was remotely true, you'd think you Star Wars nerds would be fapping into your Han Solo undies.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST
Star Wars Toy Story
by mraig
So yeah, we'll get new big Star Wars projects, but imagine this: <p> It's a spinoff that takes place in the Toy Story Universe. It's about a kid down the street who has mostly Star Wars toys. Think about it. <p> You cast the original voice actors to play action figures of Luke, Leia, Han, Vader, Yoda, R2, C3PO, whoever you can get (I guess realistically the prequels too...). But you can play the toy versions of these characters in new ways. Maybe the Luke toy is vain and into his looks and popularity. Maybe the Darth Vader toy is an obsessive worrier with OCD. Because it both is and isn't the original characters, there is a ton of playing they could do to create a unique but familiar set of characters for the show. <p> The format would be a jumping off point for Toy Story-esque plots, but with a ton of Star Wars visuals and in-jokes. Plus you get to have a little kid's room with Star Wars shit everywhere, which is such an image from everybody's childhood. <p> DISNEY I'VE GOT MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM (Okay fine, it's Avengers Toy Story, but come on!)
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST
re: "1952 is now called TESLA"
by buggerbugger
The Empire Strikes Long Ago! See, see, it all makes sense!
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:04 a.m. CST
Star Wars
by DirtyWookie
I love Star Wars!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST
Lindelof regrets that he can't ruin Star Wars cause Georgie already did.
by Scott Sullivan
Episodes 1-3 are terrible, and 4-6 are impossible to watch with all the changes. If Disney had anything on the ball they would release the original, untouched trilogy in the best possible quality in 2015 to coincide with this new shitpile.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST
All the speculation is ridiculous
by Horrorfanatic
I haven't waded through the thousands of talkbacks (literally), but what I have noticed is a conspicuous absence of the fact that Disney has been doing Star Wars since they opened "Star Tours". They did a decent job with that, and the update to the ride is even better. So, based on the e-mailer's speculation, they already have all the elements in place...ride, mechandising, and even the shows. Not to mention the yearly Star Wars weekends. This is not a ground up project for Disney. At worst, they would need to rework some areas and make it more of a Star Wars themed area. Considering Disney's treatment of the Star Wars franchise up to this point, I don't see it as a bad thing. Are they in it for the money...of course, they are a FOR PROFIT company. That doesn't mean anything is going to be ruined. We can choose to speculate all we want, but I believe the one thing we can all agree on is all we really want out of this arrangement is some quality entertainment. I think that has been sorely lacking from the franchise for a very long time, and I truly believe Disney is capable of giving us this if they treat it with the respect they have thus far.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:08 a.m. CST
I still say...
by Sean1701
get Joseph Kosinski (Tron:Legacy). He's the right man for the job. His work on Tron shows that he has an eye for scope and effects. He also showed a lot of respect for the original Tron (1982).
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
1952 is NOT Star Wars
by garp
1952 is written by Lindelof and EW writer Jeff "Doc" Jensen. they wouldn't let first time writer jensen anywhere near this. also, there's an interview with mark hamill on EW.com. he's definitely coming back, if you read between the lines. http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/31/mark-hamill-star-wars-episode-vii-disney/
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
fan-favorite film writer Damon Lindelof-That's a joke right?
by Samuel Fulmer
His script was the worst thing about Prometheus. I actually liked the film, in spite of the terrible script.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
Alfonso Cuaron sipping coffee with Kathleen Kennedy?
by stlfilmwire
Where have you seen that!?
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
Have you guys seen Mark Hamill lately?
by DreamIsOver
He looks more likely to moleste younglings than mentor them.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
Hamill born in 1951, this is called 1952 as a reference
by Samuel Fulmer
WHAT??????? Wouldn't it be called 1951 then!
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:12 a.m. CST
I heard Harry's already read the script. Stay tuned for the next episode of AICwHK....
by YourMomsBox3D
Too soon?
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:13 a.m. CST
Re: Abrams, Lindelof, and the much hated upon ruining of franchises
by Stephen
seriously guys. Alien was fucked. Prometheus, no matter how many problems you find with it was infinitely better than all of the efforts since Cameron's film. It had seriously gotten retarded. I mean did anybody who hates Prometheus even see AVP or AVPR? jesus christ those were bad. Same thing with Star Trek. Nemesis was so bad I thought I'd never watch Star Trek again. I didn't see the point. They didn't ruin these franchises. they SAVED them. We're gonna get a Prometheus 2. We're gonna get another watchable Trek movie. These are great things. Abrams and Lindelof could do this to Star Wars. Star Wars is currently a shit-crusted remnant of its former greatness. Just like Alien was. Just like Star Trek was.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:14 a.m. CST
These are the kind of stories that made AICN
by Samuel Fulmer
Glad to see this hilarious horsecrap of a story, just like the old days with Grando and 95 % of Phantom Menace being ruined because it was blurry. Beats articles about free movie screenings in towns I don't live in or interviews with pro wrestlers.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:16 a.m. CST
lucas as a businessman ruined what he created as an idealist, it doesn't matter at this point
by mattythelionheart
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:18 a.m. CST
First scene should be ...
by Behemoth
... a grizzled Han Solo talking about his "glory days" to some young wannabe saying, "One of Jabba's henchmen cornered me in a cantina once. Name was Greedo. I fried his ass before he could even reach for his blaster. Always keep your hands under the table kid. And always keep a blaster in your boot."
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
by Stale Elvis
...will be played by Charlton Heston. You read it here first folks. In 1998.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:19 a.m. CST
Let's hope Abrams and his unholy trinity of so called scriptwriters
by frank
will stay the fuck away from STAR WARS. They already ruined Alienverse and Star Trek, i don't want killing the chance for the return of the SW series back to the greatness they used to be.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:20 a.m. CST
They need a director who's a proven commodity handling
by Brian Hopper
super-large budget and fx-laden films, and who can shepherd a beloved franchise past all the potential pitfalls (honoring the pedigree of the films while doing something new, keeping the fanboys happy, etc.) while taking on a three-year commitment. It is a VERY short list of people who can handle all that. When you put aside the obvious ones who could do it but won't (Spielberg), it's even shorter. Two names from the past who could absolutely handle it and I'm surprised haven't been mentioned more are Ron Howard and Robert Zemeckis. I think Disney's obvious choice is Gore Verbinski. They love that guy, and he could do it. But Brad Bird and Joss Whedon also fit the bill. Holding out hope for Cuaron.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST
LOL at the people saying "I'm not watching this if Lindelof is involved"
by quicksilver80
You're lying, you'll watch it and THEN come here and start your rants
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:23 a.m. CST
m6y I always thought a mocap zemeckis trilogy would be lucas's next move
by Stephen
they could make carrie fisher skinny again like they did with ray winstone
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST
Ah yes, Grando and his Black lightsaber
by durhay
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:29 a.m. CST
Brad Bird = PERFECT for Star Wars. Lindelof = Path to the Dark Side
by Buck_Futt
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:30 a.m. CST
lv426- not sure if you're on to something or not, but it seems plausible at least. Pretty cool deductions.
by FuckinAmateurMan
You have to figure these wheels have been in motion for at LEAST several months, if not longer. You don't broker a $4 billion deal overnight.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
Sounds like a live action version of The Incredibles
by Ingeld
1952. The setting of the Incredibles seems retro to that era. Team based super hero movies are making millions. Disney has a history of turning their animated films into live action--101 Dalmatians. They think it will be big.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
The Opening Crawl
by vadakinX
I threw this together last night. It's a little rough but it could be an idea of how a Disney Star Wars might open. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R7S3dPCTX8 Thoughts?
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
1952 was also the year author Douglas Adams (Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) was born.
by Mark Williams
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST
I'm directing ep7 and it's called...
by nephilim138
"Rise of the Jedi" and it's about a new generation of Jedi under the guidance of Luke that have to band together to stop the new Empire. Now give me a headline on this site!
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:35 a.m. CST
As long as Brad Bird is directing, I could careless if DL is writing.
by SkitZo
Because scripts can be rewritten. I would much rather have an awesome director and average(at best) writer than vice versa.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:36 a.m. CST
R2D2 + C3PO = RC5-DPO - if you add the inverse value of the letters.....
by I_Snake_Plissken
Maybe you just get a random number that nobody but a bunch of dorks are putting too much thought into.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST
Talk about ready way to much into it.
by eric haislar
I think he is over analyzing it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:38 a.m. CST
And to those that want Nolan
by Samuel Fulmer
This is going to be in 3-D (per the press release) and I assume shot digitally, two thing Nolan is against doing.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST
Snagglepuss Cameo-I hope so
by Samuel Fulmer
And throw in Huckleberry Hound and Top Cat too!
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST
I would hope they already have a writer and director in place
by Samuel Fulmer
If this is going to come out in 2015 as some kind of new trilogy.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST
I don't get it ... What's wrong with Prometheus
by Halloween68
I liked Prometheus. Thought it was the best Alien picture since the first one. I personally like Alien as a horror movie. Not an action adventure franchise. While Prometheus is not horror, it certainly ties together with the original film more than the sequels do.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST
Bitching about Brad Bird...
by vanchimera
I think it's funny when you see people bitch about Brad Bird having only directed one live action movie when the last three SW flicks have had more cg than live action in them... and the only decent Star Wars entertainment we've gotten in about a decade has been animated. Also factoring in that animation is actually more difficult to direct in many ways, so Star Wars, being such a blend of the two would be right up his alley. Ultimately, I feel as if Brad Bird would be just fine for this as long as he's got the team to support him. Anyone who's directed The Incredibles AND The Iron motherfucking Giant can direct anything he wants in my books.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
people who liked the incredibles can deep throat me until they throw up
by Stephen
brad bird aint all that. MI4 was okay but not amazing.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:46 a.m. CST
I believe this as much as the guy who says that Stanley Kubrick had his likeness airbrushed into a frame of 'The Shining'
by Kamaji
You guys can figure out the rest from there.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST
@ brokentusk
by Ray Tchoulakian
Yes, Brad Bird has directed one live action film to date, but he's also directed several animated films as well. But before you get all worried about Bird's experience as a director, Irvin Kershner had directed 8 films prior to doing The Empire Strikes Back, including a film called Loving. I'd hardly call that a resume of extensive experience compared to Bird's.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:47 a.m. CST
God damn it. Please not Damon Lindelof! He'll turn Luke or Leia into a Jesus figure. Terrible news
by happybunni
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:48 a.m. CST
I love this speculation shit.....
by Righteous Brother
we're in for an exciting couple of years, probably up until the film opens.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST
Can't we just get Kasdan back?
by The Funketeer
Do we really want the guy who wrote Prometheus ruining another of our favorite franchises?
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:50 a.m. CST
Targzissians are *OBVIOUSLY* reptilian...
by Adam D. Kline
... and things of this nature. You understand!
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher
by percane
here's some more conspiracy theorizing: in that EW interview (thanks for that link!) Mark Hamill says that he and Fisher had lunch with Lucas LAST SUMMER and that he told them about his plans to make 7-9. this past year, Carrie Fisher has become a Jenny Craig spokesperson http://yourlife.usatoday.com/fitness-food/diet-nutrition/story/2011-08-24/Back-in-the-bikini-Carrie-Fisher-drops-50-pounds-with-Jenny-Craig/50126364/1 coincidence, or did George ask her to be in Star Wars again and she has to look more princess-ish?
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
No we don't need Kasdan
by Samuel Fulmer
Look, he was the right choice back in 1979-83, but have you seen his output of recent years? I don't think we need Darling Companion in space!
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:54 a.m. CST
by SeXX ED
... EDGAR WRIGHT or fuck 'em in their mouse ear.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:55 a.m. CST
Inside Information
by Horrorfanatic
On a semi-unrelated note, I have news that this website is changing its name to Ain't it Star Wars news. They considered renaming it Ain't it Star Wars Speculation, but it didn't sound quite as official.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
Needs Luke
by Jon Serianni
Ep VII needs Luke just so they can have Mark Hamill tell whatever Jedi he is training that you "don't fuck with the Jedi Master, son" as he did in Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST
Brad Bird is the right way to go, he's actually perfect for an oldschool type Star Wars film.
by Randy
I think this is all bullcrap, but Disney really does need to go to Bird and offer him whatever he needs to kick this off. MI4 proved the man can do live action extremely well, it also further proved he is a modern master.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:03 a.m. CST
lv_426 does not exist in this dojo
by Cobra--Kai
Damn you lv_426 - you were meant to send this AFTER I had put my bet on Brad Bird at the bookies... AFTER!!!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:04 a.m. CST
Carrie Fisher 'Princess-ish'???
by J
Have you seen her lately (like on the Rosanne Roast)? She looks and sounds like she's been ridden hard for 5,000 parsecs and put away wet...that kind of life experience can't be remedied no matter how much Jenny Craig she sponsors or Botox she ingests.... Just sayin'
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:06 a.m. CST
The Incredibles was very nearly as empty and pointless as Pixar's Cars
by gruntybear
Finally someone sees the light. I'm so very tired of hearing people go on and on about how perfect Pixar's films have been. The Incredibles was a dead-spot, long before Cars ever existed.
Some bookies are already taking bets on recasting: Who will play Princess Leia: 5/2 Emma Stone; 4/1 Anne Hathaay; 4/1 Mae Whitman; 5/1 Carey Mulligan; 7/1 Anna Kendrick; 7/1 Michelle Trachtenberg; 10/1 Mila Kunis; 12/1 Amy Adams; 12/1 Miley Cyrus; 16/1 Carrie Fisher Who will play Luke Skywalker: 2/1 Zac Effron; 5/2 Topher Grace; 7/2 Spencer Treat Clark; 6/1 Joseph Gordon Levitt; 8/1 Jamie Bell; 8/1 Shia Lebeouf; 10/1 Seann William Scott; 12/1 Daryl Sabara Who will play Han Solo: 6/4 Ryan Reynolds; 9/4 Sam Rockwell; 9/4 Taylor Kitsch; 7/1 Robert Downey Jr; 8/1 Gael Garcia Bernal; 12/1 Harrison Ford
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:08 a.m. CST
preach it gruntybear
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
Rumore is it will involve an older Luke. Hope they get Hamil for the part.
by mistergreen
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST
1 + 9 + 0 + 6...
by Sulis
Add the components of 1906 and you get 16. Add those components and you get...
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST
Halloween68, I liked it too, but you have to admit it made no sense.
by MrWug
It was entertaining, wonderful to look at, and Michael Fassbender was awesome, but the script was a laughable wreck.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
The Incredibles is the best Pixar movie. Fact!
by Brian Hopper
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
Gruntybear, does it hurt to be so wrong?
by MrWug
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
i cant even watch pixar movies any more. they've seriously never made anything good.
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
The general awesomeness of Carrie Fisher, not to mention
by Brian Hopper
the awesomeness of her bouncing boobs in Star Wars and metal bikini in ROTJ, needs no defense.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:18 a.m. CST
I'm a little torn
by Wcwlkr
While I didn't hate the prequels I loved the original Star Wars. And I can't help but be excited at the possibilities a new trilogy presents, but also be very leery. I love Brad Bird so if he's involved this would be great. But yeah I'm not too sure about Lindelof, I'm still enraged by Lost. So yeah I'm definitely torn by all of this.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:19 a.m. CST
Have you all seen Mark Hamill lately? Seriously?
by JGer
Go IMDB him and check out the first snapshot of him from ComicCon. Do you really want to see him dressed up in a Jedi Robes? I almost wanted to cry seeing Harrison Ford's Shar-Pei puppy face in Crystal Skull, and he looks like a teenager compared to Hamill. Please set these 100 years after Jedi. Thank you.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
booger_t, you seriously sat through Toy Story 1,2, and 3 and thought they were no good?
by MrWug
You must be joking.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
Just make sure there's at least one 'everyman' character
by performingmonkey
The prequels didn't work partly because of this. You don't feel you want to root for any of the characters, not even Obi-Wan, who acts like a complete tool most of the time, and he's this aloof Jedi who you can't relate to anyway. It all went wrong when Lucas went for Anakin as a little boy. He should've been 16 and Owen Lars should have been a much more major character.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
by ObiBen
Will be a Star Wars / Indiana Jones crossover that ties in directly to Crystal Skull. Starring Harrison Ford in his first dual role as grumpy Indy and grumpy Solo bantering across the galaxy in a desperate race to save the known universe. Co-Starring Shia LaBeouf as the new Jedi apprentice and Snoop Dog as Darth Vader.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:22 a.m. CST
Do I really want to see Mark Hamill dressed up in Jedi robes? Yes!
by Brian Hopper
The general awesomeness of Mark Hamill is another thing that needs no defense.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:23 a.m. CST
it's what the fan boys always wanted: Star Wars-Star Trek-Aliens all mushed together (with a dash of Lost)
by cozy
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
mrwug i liked toy story 1 when i saw it in the theater but i was 11.
by Stephen
upon repeat viewing I think its okay. not good. 2 I barely remember. 3 looked so bad i havent bothered to watch it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
Live action TV series announced!
by Chariowalda_Barbarossa
"Jedi High" will premiere on Disney Channel next fall. Carrie Fisher confirmed as Headmistress Leia. Two all new musical numbers per episode. Talented young actresses and actors to play the Padawans at the Academy of the New Jedi Order are being cloned as we speak.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:25 a.m. CST
by eric haislar
Hamill is a little over weight, but you can fix that with a personal trainer. He only needs to loose 25 to 30 pounds. His age does not matter Alec Guinness was 62 when he was in Star wars. Luke has to come back of all of the original cast he is the one that makes the most sense.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:26 a.m. CST
just learn to google....
by grammaton
then everybody would know that 1952 was related to one of the WED boxes placed in the last corner of disneys storages and with all speculations i just wonder nobody mentioned rick mccallum.....he is born 1952...but it seems easier to add one year to hamils birthyear...... oh boy
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
I hope Leia becomes a Mon Mothma type figure. Issuing orders, looking solemn, but not vital to the plot.
by Mitch
Luke on the other hand should be the Obi-Wan, obviously, but don't Qui-Gon him off. Save him for the whole trilogy. And Han, well... I think give him a fan friendly cameo in VII, expand his role in VIII and then let him finally have him sacrifice himself for his friends like he was supposed to in Jedi. (Think Sam Jackson's screen time throughout the PT.)
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
An appearance by Luke Skywalker in Episode 7 is required. Fact!
by Brian Hopper
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
Well, "okay" is better than bad, so I'll take it.
by MrWug
But 2 is better than the first, and 3 is even better than than that. I can't imagine someone thinking 3 is bad.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:28 a.m. CST
Where were you in 62? (50th Anniversary)
by K3nn3th
Wasn't that the slogan for American Graffiti when they marketed the movie. If anything that year would refer more to American Graffiti than any other movie. This is the 50th Anniversary of that slogan. I'm just saying. But also what if some of that so called live TV show stuff was actually stuff really being filmed and scripted for these new movies. It would have been easy to say it was for a tv show. Just wanted to put that out there.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST
You Guys Got To Poor Damon
by Raskolnikov_was_framed
Damon Lindelof @DamonLindelof If I ever need a suicide note, I'll just print out this comments section. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59411 yes it's a link to this talkback lol
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
Amen, @darth busey
by Jared Bond
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST
Don't do it, Damon!
by MrWug
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
Please don't compare Mark Hamill to Alec Guinness
by JGer
His last two live action movies are Sushi Girl and Airborne. He is about an inch away from being in Meagshark vs. SuperCobra. No doubt he is UNREAL as a voiceover star, but come on.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
i love the people who think this is a real article and not just an excuse to keep starwars talkback at the top of the main page
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:33 a.m. CST
If Scott is able to complete "Paradise," I have a strong belief that "Prometheus" will feel more like part of a complete story than the slightly confuseing massive spectacle that it already is. (If anything, they've already made a statement about humans
by ChaunceyGardiner
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
(If anything, they've already made a statement about humans and their limited perception, their smallness and yet also their ability for transcendence.)
by ChaunceyGardiner
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
wait who here is secretly Lindelof REVEAL YOURSELF
by Stephen
i want your autograph on this prometheus blu ray that someone else threw away
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:38 a.m. CST
booger_t -Hey I agree but Star Wars rumors/news built this site
by Samuel Fulmer
And to be honest, it's the only thing that'll keep it going.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
Ryan Gosling
by Eric Hines
Think he could play a great han solo type character. I've really grown to like him (no homo), think he could bring great charisma to a similar role
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
Mark Hamill
by Righteous Brother
Nothing 6 months down the gym, and a decent jedi beard couldn't fix. Would love to see him back as Skywalker in a mentor type role - but its not essential. FUCK - WE'RE GETTING MORE STAR WARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:39 a.m. CST
I don't know it might not be that bad
by CherryValance
I mean if he doesn't make a mystery out of it. If it's just a story about Jedi or eyeless baby Ewoks or something else. Something completely creative would be fine. If he tries to say something with it or Scooby Doo us again then he'll have the same problems. No story where the Jedi are descendent from Christ or some shit like that.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
Damon, the jig is up, we've unraveled the Episode 7 conspiracy!
by lv_426
Oh crap... There is an angry white-haired man in flannel at my front door. He has some storm troopers with him...
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:40 a.m. CST
Forget Episode VII, reboot episode VI
by Snookeroo
Because that was a really shitty wrap-up.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:41 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
by Eric Hines
but WAS it a wrap up? If VII is a direct sequel, then it was not, thus making a remake unnecessary
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
Whoever directs it will have to be hired soon
by seasider
The movie will have to starting shooting in 2013 at the latest to make the 2015 release. Even with all CGI technology and digital cameras, the prequels were always at a race to the finish line to get completed. I think someone is reading too much into this Brad Bird rumor.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:43 a.m. CST
I love ya, LV, but I think it's just as likely to be Incredibles 2
by AlienFanatic
I've already read articles that have averred that no directors are attached right now, period. I've also got massive doubts that, after how Prometheus was received by its fans, a studio would look to Lindelof to reboot a franchise with so much riding on getting the canon down just right. Another ding against it is that the May announcement would have Lindelof producing and, frankly, the guy has NEVER produced anything near the scale of a Star Wars movie. I just don't think he's capable of it and Disney would want a steady hand at the helm for such a key franchise. No, I think that no matter how many acrobatics you perform with the date, it just doesn't make sense in the scheme of things and how risk-averse Hollywood is with key properties. I may well be wrong, but I think we'll hear something firm by the beginning of 2013, since filming will have to begin by the middle to the end of the year. My guess is also that the 2015 date isn't set in stone yet and may slip depending upon what it takes to ramp up production. If you're right, though, we'll all gladly give you a round of applause.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:44 a.m. CST
I for one need a place to read speculation like this. I want to know more. Thank you AICN for giving me a place to catch up and explore ALL the possibilities of EP7!!!
by clarntoon
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
Peter Jackson for Star Wars!
by rob33
I know it's wishful thinking, and given that everyone on here now (apparently) hates LOTR but I would kill to see Peter Jackson direct the new trilogy
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
Ryan Gosling unexpectantly drops out of Logans Run
by Eric Hines
But why? No reason was given. Willing to bet the farm he is in ep. 7
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:45 a.m. CST
1952 could be SW
by bobbofatz
1+9-5+2=VII I hope the new SW has Luke and Leias kids growing up together as close cousins. Leia and Hans kid starts drifting to the Gray side of the force. Not evil at all, just into other things besides Yoda to Obi to Lukes beliefs of how the universe works.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:46 a.m. CST
by eric haislar
I like your work as well. I have to confess I did not love Prometheus, it was alright, I would like to see again. But whatever Spielberg made Always and Hook. If you are behind these new films. Forget everything about the prequels. You grew in the 80's on star wars like us. You know what needs to be done.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST
Jedi Shia Le Boeuf. You can`t escape the inevitability.
by higgledyhiggles
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
What a bunch of twats! Nowhere in this article does it mention Orci, Kurtz or Abrahms
by Mel Gibsteinberg
That's number 1. So shut the hell up!!! Number 2: Since when does everyone hate Abrahms Star Trek? What the hell do you people like? I thought it was incredible, and great reboot, especially for someone who isn't some fat chubby Trekky. I think our world would be infinitely better without some of these insane Trekkers, when is the Sci-Fi nerd rapture gonna come and sweep all this mounds of pasty white vagina puddings away. Please Jeebus, do this now!
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
I didn't even see the other comments
by CherryValance
about him linking it to Jesus. lol It's bad that we all thought it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:49 a.m. CST
Seriously, after Prometheus and Cowboys & Aliens, would YOU trust Lindelof with the Star Wars franchise?
by AlienFanatic
No, and I don't think Iger would either. Iger's no dummy.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
So let me get this straight...
by Executor
Damon Lindelof wrote a spec Star Wars script, Brad Bird was attached, then they sold it to Disney, who then realized -- oops -- they needed the rights to Star Wars so they subsequently bargained with Lucas to sell his Lucasfilm for 4 billion. OK.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:50 a.m. CST
Lindeloff would be fine
by Mel Gibsteinberg
There were truly excellent episodes of LOST, up to the very end which didn't land as well as we had hoped. But remember, a lot of that blame can be put on Carlton Cuse, and even JJ for that matter as he's the one who opened the door to all this nonsense. Star Wars isn't a mystery or conspiracy type franchise, so DL would simply have to stay within those confines and he'd be fine. Some of you people who no original thoughts in your head whatsoever.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
higgledyhiggles - How DARE you...
by ObiBen
...spell LeBoeuf correctly? It's LaBeouf, in proper Hollywood spaced out hippie spelling, damnit!
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST
Shia LaBeouf
by Eric Hines
seems like the kind of person who simply assumes he will be in this. He is probably sitting by the phone right now. I hope he isn't
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:52 a.m. CST
Hey, erichaislar...
by Mikey Wood
...ALWAYS was great. Don't you badmouth ALWAYS you horrible little man. ; )
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:53 a.m. CST
Ohhhh, wait, Lindeloff wrote Cowboys & Aliens
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Oh god, never mind, retract! KILL THIS MAN NOW! Okay, not really, but that truly was a horrible piece of shite. But where's the hate for Favraeu on that as well? How about Andrew Stanton writes it, Brad Bird directs it, and John Lasseter produces. BOOM! Instant success. It would meet both the fan criteria, as well as the family criteria that Disney wants (PG not PG-13) and it would still be a great flick.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
Lindelof is the wrong FUCKING choice to write a STAR WARS movie. Best to go with an unknown serious writer.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
theres gonna be like 8 or 9 writers
by Stephen
one to come up with new aliens, one to come up with new planets and the histories of them, one to write the plot, one to rewrite the plot, one to write the dialogue, one to throw that dialogue out and replace it with new dialogue, one to make the whole story fit into the existing universe, and one to put his name on it cuz nobody else is famous enough.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:55 a.m. CST
Good One.
by Chadley BeBay
Second, I'm perfectly fine with Brad Bird helming anything STAR WARS if that comes to pass. But Damon Lindelof... let's just say that I hope that's not true, or if it is, that he doesn't play that whole mysterious never-answer-a-damn-thing when it comes to STAR WARS. STAR WARS does raise questions through its plot, this is true, especially after THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK. But it also DEFINITIVELY answers them and doesn't leave anything vague when it comes to how the stories play out. Lindelof hasn't definitively answered a question through his work to many people's satisfaction. ("Hey, Damon, what time is it?" "Hmm. What time do you THINK it is?") THIS IS THE STUPIDEST THING IVE EVER READ. GOOD ONE.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:57 a.m. CST
lv_426, you ruined my birthday, and it's still morning.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Not your intent, but goddamn, I'm a sensitive person.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
Someone put J.J. Abrams & Co. in a straitjacket before they can do any more harm to anything. Overrated hacks.
by The Comrade
Nov. 1, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
by DARTH VOODOO
Nov. 1, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
Luke Skywalker in ep. 7
by Eric Hines
I agree it would be awesome. But everyone is saying no to harrison ford and carrie fisher because they haven't aged well - How can you have luke and not those two? How would they explain their absence in the movie?
Nov. 1, 2012, 11 a.m. CST
Josh Brolin for a Han Solo type....
by Righteous Brother
Ryan Gosling for a Jedi. and Garret Hedlund as the son of Luke Skywalker.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:01 a.m. CST
No executor, do you know anything about business? How old are you?
by Mel Gibsteinberg
The Disney purchasing Lucasfilm deal would have been in diligence for quite some time. First Lucas would have floated the idea to Disney, then Disney and Lucas would have to go through this in depth process of signing NDAs (non-disclosure agreements) and other legal mumbo-jumbo. Then Disney would make some non-binding offer just to get their foot in the door. AND THEN their lawyers would comb over every single property, intellectual or physical, to determine how best to value the proposed acquisition. During this time, as the deal got closer, they would start up an engine of creative folk working on something to get this machine in motion once the purchase is finalized. So they'd have 1 or even multiple teams of folks working on spec scripts, based on the "treatments" that they would have access to through some data room or as part of the diligence review they did. All this would take months before it would finally be consummated. They would only announce this publicly, and to investors, once everything was inked. Disney wants to see their stocks soar, so coming in with a commitment to a movie coming out in 2015 is a big deal. If they have to delay this cause they aren't "ready" they stand to lose big in front of the investor community, something the Mouse House won't do.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
Personally, I hope that they bring in a writer who understands Star Wars but has a real history of writing character stories
by AlienFanatic
Star Wars is, at its best, character-driven drama. For the majority, Empire remains the very best of the films and for one great reason: it was directed by a man who knew how to pull great performances out of his actors. The movie had great effects and action sequences, for sure, but some of the best moments were the dramatic ones. I don't want to see some fanboy write the next movie. I don't want to see someone who's known for big, eye-filling spectacle (*cough* Michael Bay *cough*) to direct. I want people that can do what George couldn't and really bring the characters to life while placing them within an envelope of believable drama and realistic effects. In short, I don't think fans need more eye candy and an endless array of action figures. I think they want to see a return to the type of gritty action adventure that Empire represented. I don't think it will happen, but I'd give my eye teeth for Darabont to get a shot at it. I think the guy KNOWS this stuff and has an incredible history of writing and directing realistic, human drama. He can take Lucas's outline and breathe life into it, I'm certain. He's also got a long history with Lucasfilm and maybe even Kathleen Marshall's cell phone number. If not Darabont, I guess we'll just have to hope that the writer has those same sensibilities.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
by Eric Hines
I see gosling as the rouge/womanizer/solo type. I fully expect him to be in this either way. No reason was given for his exit from Logan's Run
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:04 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
EW: George Lucas has already met with Mark Hamil and Carrie Fisher about Episode VII
by DARTH VOODOO
From Entertainment Weekly: "Two of the first people to know George Lucas was planning to return to the Galaxy Far, Far Away? Luke Skywalker and Princess Leia. Mark Hamill ('Luke') tells EW that he sat down with Lucas and "Star Wars" co-star Carrie Fisher ('Leia') in August to talk about a possible return of the Skywalker siblings. Hamill, to say the least, was shocked when Lucas announced yesterday they'd be sequelizing "Return of the Jedi" (1983). Actor and voice-over artist Hamill isn't sure why Lucas decided to tell him and Fisher the news, suggesting it's not necessarily because he wants them to be involved. But, personally, the fact that Hamill and Fisher were there, and not Harrison Ford – who Lucas knows would turn down a chance to reprise Han Solo, says to me Lucas could be getting his ducks in a row. Yeah, last August, he asked Carrie and I to have lunch with him and we did. I thought he was going to talk about either his retirement or the Star Wars TV series that I've heard about — which I don't think we were going to be involved in anyway, because that takes place between the prequels and the ones we were in and, if Luke were in them, he'd be anywhere from a toddler to a teenager so they'd get an age-appropriate actor — or the 3-D releases. So when he said, "We decided we're going to do Episodes VII, VIII, and IX," I was just gobsmacked. "What? Are you nuts?!" [Laughs] I can see both sides of it. Because in a way, there was a beginning, a middle, and an end and we all lived happily ever after and that's the way it should be — and it's great that people have fond memories, if they do have fond memories. But on the other hand, there's this ravenous desire on the part of the true believers to have more and more and more material. It's one of those things: people either just don't care for it or are passionate about it. I guess that defines what cult movies are all about. We'll see. I'm anxious to know what's going on, but the main story [yesterday] was the sale to Disney. I have mixed feelings about that, but they haven't done badly by Marvel and the Muppets and Pixar. It's one of those big decisions that at first seems unusual but then the more you look at it, the more it makes sense. Hamill, who still doesn't know whether he'll be back or not to reprise lightsaber-wielding Luke, says yesterday's Disney news came as a surprise. Oh my gosh, what a shock that was! I had no idea that George was going to sell to Disney until I read it online like everybody else. He did tell us last summer about wanting to go on and do [Episodes] VII, VIII, and IX, and that [newly appointed Lucasfilm president] Kathleen Kennedy would be doing them. He seems to be in a really good place. He's really happy. And that's nice because I know that when we were making the movies, he was not a jolly guy on set. [Laughs] I always felt badly for him because he agonizes over details, and I'm sure after imagining it in his head for so many years, to see it realized — he'd look up and just hang his head and groan. Harrison [Ford], Carrie [Fisher], and I were always trying to cheer him up and joke him out of his doom and gloom. I missed his call yesterday, but I spoke to him maybe three weeks ago. But until we know more, it's hard to make any comment other than congratulations to George. Yesterday I spoke in detail about the new "Star Wars" trilogy, toying with the possibility that the films might be based on some of the literary novels that follow the events of "Return of the Jedi". Seems that won't be the case. Although he's only involved in a consultancy position, Lucas did come up with the outline for the next three films and it's, according to a Lucasfilm source (via E!), an original story (not based on anything that happened in the books). So, no Thrawn then?"
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
Lindelof does not exist in this dojo
by Cobra--Kai
The deleted scenes in PROMETHEUS show a far more complete picture of the movie Ridley shot and Lindelof wrote, and they help answer or iron out a lot of the wtf moments and questionable character motivations that people keep bringing up. You try writing a story and then having 15% of it hacked out and removed in random fashion. So I think Lindelof is fine with me. Brad Bird has come off a superb animated feature THE INCREDIBLES and then gone into live action (with far more success than stablemate Andrew Stanton). In fact MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: GHOST PROTOCOL was imho the best in the series. And in how many series can you say that the fourth sequel is the best?! Great zipalong pace, real jepoardy, inventive action scenes - it was a really good, entertaining film. So if LV's sleuthing turns out to be true then bring it on!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:05 a.m. CST
The Music
by Kurt Walter
I've been reading hundreds of talkbacks and dozens of articles and no one had once metioned the music. Does John Williams come back? Does he want to? I can't imagine who today could even come close to doing what Williams does with the score. Star Wars for me is about the sound as much as the visual.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
As for STAR WARS...
by Mikey Wood
...I think it's in fine hands any way it goes. WHY? Because the biggest danger to STAR WARS was the man who created it. It's good for George to let other hands into the mix. It's been PROVEN time and time again that there are others out there who understand how to approach and treat the property better than he does. In FACT, he's the one who FINDS these people. Think of all of examples of what we associate with "good" STAR WARS: EMPIRE - Written by Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan from an outline by Lucas. Directed by Irvin Kerschner. CLONE WARS 'toons (both versions): Genndy Tartakovsky et al. Not a single Lucas-penned or directed episode in the bunch. George needs to step back. He told the stories he felt like he needed to tell and we have to honor him for memories that his creations gave us but let's move on. Let's see more of what STAR WARS has to offer.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
by Stale Elvis
...wouldn't piss on Lucas if he was on fire after the way he was treated by Lucas after spending a year writing his script for Indy IV. Saying that, Darabont could do a great SW movie and might just do it to piss on the flaming wreckage of the current SW films that Lucas left behind.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:07 a.m. CST
In spite of the protestations of the only intelligent man on these talkbacks, mel gibsteinberg, Damon Lindelof would NOT be fine for the job and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near Star Wars.
by tom
A writer who can't cook up a good ending to a story is a BAD writer.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:08 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
1952... 5+2=7 7+1=8 and the second digit is 9! 7, 8, 9!!!
by VanGoghX
Oh my God! It's all right there in the title!!! Someone shoot me now!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:09 a.m. CST
Andre Braugher as Darth Pembleton
by tom
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:11 a.m. CST
If we want to speculate, we just need spies to tell us...
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Who's been up to the ranch in the last 6-8 months, for whatever reason. If someone saw Lindeloff up at Skywalker, its possible he was having some meeting with Georgie Porgie to get the deets on this "treatment" or to do follow up questions. Although actually, why even do a physical visit, they could just as easily do a video-chat and no one would be the wiser. But if there was any art that was produced in secret, or physical models, it's possible. Pixar isn't that far from Marin, it's conceivable that sometime in the last year that Brad Bird or someone else took a jaunt up there under the auspices of some "other" project, and while there they had a quick discussion. Just the fact that someone was there doesn't mean anything, but it could. But if AICN is gonna crank up the old spy machine, that's where I'd start. This is simple detective work, start canvassing and finding out who's been near or around George and the compound, you'll find some answers there.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:14 a.m. CST
by Stale Elvis
FFS - Leigh Brackett didn't write Empire. She wrote a treatment and died of cancer. Lucas hated her treatment and rewrote it and passed his own treatment on to be polished into the final script. He then gave Brackett writing credit as a posthumous thanks. Yeah, thats right, the best film, ESB came from the mind of Lucas himself. Get your 'facts' straight before printing them as facts. Jesus.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:15 a.m. CST
It's gonna need to be written by committee
by FrodoFraggins
Someone good at plots, another great at dialogue, another with an eye for pacing, ...
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:16 a.m. CST
Episode 7
by tapehead1
How about Luke is the elder Jedi master at a new Jedi Academy, the first since the days of the Republic which hes set up on Yavin in a remote, lush jungle. He spends his days overseeing things and helping the the other Jedi masters teach while they groom the best and brightest. Meanwhile, Leia and Han have had three kids Jaina and Jacen and Anakin (from the books) Jacen comes to Yavin on business operation and calls up his Uncle Luke. Hes played by Josh Holloway and is much like the smirking smuggler Han was. However Luke soon finds that Jacen is more powerful in the force than any of the Academy's Padawans and sets forward training him much like Obi Wan, with much resistantance from Jacen. Meanwhile, theres also some kind of threat growing simultaneously that causes Luke and Jacen to embark on an adventure together. Unlike with Obi Wan, Luke doesnt die but gets the last thrill of an adventure. Sets up Episode 8, Jacens own story where he meets up with his sister to take down the growing threat of a new Empire (or something else). Also, Han could have a small cameo in VII where hes killed which causes his son to want to avenge is death and listen to his uncle about the force.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:17 a.m. CST
Lucas' Treatments of the Prequels in the hands of a better writer/director could have been great or even excellent
by JGer
Definitely some bad decisions in there, no doubt, but I still think they could have been good to great with better dialogue and choices from a design standpoint (although Phantom Menace still would be tough to make cool, even with just a framework in hand).
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:18 a.m. CST
Why do you guys hate on Damon Lindelof and JJ Abrams so much?
by Mikey Wood
What did they do to insult you all so very, very badly? Is it because they gave us LOST? One of the most intelligent, interesting, and gripping examples of genre TV in a good, long while? Is it because they gave us STAR TREK with balls? What is it? And, if it's PROMETHEUS you're crying about, I agree with another post from earlier: Although I enjoyed the film, it's flaws AREN'T with the script, it's with the cut. Never before have I seen deleted scenes that would have added so much to a movie.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
by brokentusk
Eight feature films isn't an extensive résumé? Look, I like Brad Bird as much as the next geek, but I just don't see a correlation between what he's done in the past and directing a live action STAR WARS film.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
As much as I was disappointed with Lindelof's Prometheus
by elsewhere
I'd still rather have him than Lucas.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:19 a.m. CST
Darth Dusey
by Kurt Walter
I'm not worried about the main theme - of course that will be used. However, the score is so rich and layered you know it is Star Wars. None of the other SW properties, like games, Clone Wars, etc. come close to an actual John Williams score. Don't underestimate how difficult it will be to imitate his sound to make "authentic." I grew up on these soundtracks and know them inside and out. A bad score could undermine the new movies. Let's hope the Maestro is willing and up to it...
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:20 a.m. CST
If Hamill and Fisher are involved Harrison Ford is a must!!!
by DARTH VOODOO
As I posted a few stories back George Lucas has already met with Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher about Episode VII. As a matter of fact it is now being reported that Hamill knew about this last year. If that is true this project has been in motion for quite some time. http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/mark-hamill-talks-star-wars-episode-vii-knew-about-it-last-year/ Assuming that those two are going to return as Luke and Leia it would be more than a little anticlimactic not having Han Solo (Harrison Ford) back in the fold. I understand that Ford has never been one to speak highly of SW, but when you consider that the fact that SW made him a superstar combined with some of the evil empire's (Disney) money could get him back even in a limited role. What I don't want to see is Solo being killed off on or off screen. That would be lame and make me not want to see this film. You can't have Luke and Leia without Han Solo in Episode VII...DISNEY GET THIS DONE!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:22 a.m. CST
DL now has Luke as his twitter background
by ManEatingFish
Also Josh Harnett is the only actor who looks like Harrison Ford, plus he id now 34 while Harrison was 35 when Star Wars came out
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
To theveryfirst
by Mel Gibsteinberg
Okay, I'm starting to see your point. To be honest I haven't really paid that much attention to Lindeloff, so in my mind he was "okay". I mean, LOST was incredible, until it wasn't. Star Trek was fine, I've already mentioned that I did not and do not have a problem with they way they re-booted it. Lens flares not withstanding (that's a JJ thing anyway) I thought the movie was what it should be. Cowboys & Aliens? THAT was an embarrassment. Something that one does not want on their resume, especially the writer because the script really was a mess. Predictable, tired, cliche, and way too serious for what it was. But I also put some of that on Favreau as well. Prometheus? Again, I don't hate it as much as some here, I certainly don't love it, for me it was a fun, taut, thriller with some unbelievable visuals. The kind of movie that you see once and enjoy, but the more you think about, starts to fall apart under intense scrutiny. But for that matter, so do most big budget epics (see Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy, Inception, Avengers, Cap'n America, Thor, - all movies I had a great time with). But there is a point where you have to recognize that some movies are meant to entertain through outlandish fantasy and spectacle, and some are meant to provoke thought and conversation. Perhaps we shouldn't try to mix the two, it hasn't always worked well in the past. There is a reason it is called "fantasy" its meant as escapism, not to teach us the virtues of classical empiricism or Aristotelian philosophy.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
if they cant get john williams they could always just have single note low horns so everything seems ominous
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:23 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST
Brad Bird...
by Sandy
I can handle the concept of directing this....but Damon needs to stay FAR, FAR AWAY from the galaxy of Star Wars.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:25 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
you are all wrong about Lindelof and Star Wars- SW actually NEEDS his style of not answering questions- we don't need all the answers!
by THE_ONE_MAN_GANG
What was great about the original series was the mystery of certain characters origins (Fett and the bounty hunters, Jabba, Coruscant, Vader and the Sith, the force...etc) As we all know... we asked for the answers, and they were answered in the prequels, games, and books (and clone wars cartoons)- most of the time terribly... jango Fett- WTF! little boy Boba Fett- WTF! Anakin/Vader wtf! Jedi Council- wtf! all Jedi (for the most part)- Pussies! Its always better when there is mystery behind the story- unanswered questions.... it was better before they pulled back the curtain. Lindelofs style certainly lends itself to this type of story telling- and brad birds cred with sci fi is a plus (still would prefer blomkamp).
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
by Hedorah
As the father of a seven-year-old daughter who can't get enough of the Disney Channel and Disney XD... I think all this is going in the wrong direction. Okay, there *might* be a big screen adaptation or continuation... but I'm thinking more along the lines of the home viewer. We could end up with sitcom fodder for years to come. The next Zendaya or Brandon Mychal Smith could end up with starring roles in tween hits like "That's So Jedi!" or "Chewie With a Chance." Darth Vader could make a cameo in the lair of Heinz Doofenschmirtz... or maybe Meep could whip out a light sabre in "Chronicles of Meep, Episode IV: Hard Candace." And let's not forget those big hits on Disney Radio... how about "The Force of Your Love"... ?
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
by 120chester
Not sure where "pieman67" learned math (or Roman numerals).
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:26 a.m. CST
Alternate Plotlines to TOS films.....what could have been....
by Da B-Meister
Found: possible alternate plotlines to the old Star Wars films. Note, however, that these plots may not be to consecutive films, but slightly out of order. 1. Entitled "Send in the Clones", we find out that both Darth Vader and Obi-Wan Kenobi were cloned by the same donor, who happens to be a long-lost grandfather of Chewbacca's. This setup up a conflict between the Wookies and the Empire, which becomes the plot to another film titled "Makin' Wookie". 2. In another film, "Hiya, Leia", Princess Leia discovers that her grandfather and Han Solo's grandmother were next-door neighbors on Alderaan, before it was blown up by Darth Vader (in Episode IV). In a wild, galactic battle battle, Luke fights Boba Fett, and we are left with the impression that Boba may be Luke's father. 3. Both Boba Fett and Jabba the Hut were once comrades of Darth Vader, and this is brought out in another film entitled "Yessir, That's My Boba". We find out that Luke Skywalker's lightsaber was once recharged by Boba Fett's father, who we suspect may be Chewbacca. This ties in with the romance between C3PO (who learns he is part human) and Chewbacca's half-hairy sister, Varga (introduced in yet another film "Cut and Droid").
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:27 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:29 a.m. CST
@Mikeywood I don't hate Lindelof...
by AlienFanatic
I just think he's not talented enough to be handed these big films. I think he's a good TV writer, but he falls back on coincidences, cliches, and tired action setpieces to fill his films. If you look at the two big movies he's written (Prometheus and Cowboys) you realize he has no ear for dialog, a poor ability to write realistic character motivations, and doesn't have many original ideas when it comes to writing action sequences. I don't hate him, but I also think that as a writer for films he's out of his element. He's much better when he's writing TV episodes, most likely part of a collaborative environment where he's receiving feedback from his fellow writers and/or lead writers. With Star Wars, we don't HAVE to settle for a (imo) mediocre writer. There will be dozens of AAA writers scrambling to submit treatments to Disney over the next six months. I know the production schedule will have to be aggressive, but I'm guessing we'll see spec scripts being reviewed for the next two months, a final approval in Mid-2013, and greenlight/production in the fall of 2013 with a summer 2015 release date. PLENTY of time for most of these guys to slam out some great scripts without having to resort to this. I love LV's knowledge, but I just think he's way off base on this one. There is just too much riding on this to have some kind of secret, behind-the-scenes agreement to move forward with a script from Lindelof when they likely haven't vetted any other, better writers yet.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:30 a.m. CST
I used to love Duel of the Fates but ever since i realized that the lyrics are "obi wan qui gon obi wan darth maul" I just laugh every time i hear it now.
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:31 a.m. CST
Still don't get the Lindelof ...
by HughHoyland
hate. Prometheus was a breath of fresh air to me. At least it wasn't a rehash and I think its a study on how to do (at least one good way to do) a prequel. You don't have to have every little piece of story line up with all the others like a jig-saw puzzle to make it a good story. Leave that for the sequel.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
Nothing Lindelof has done is worse than the prequels. And he didn't have director control either.
by Baked
Nolan made the dour, plodding, and ultimately barely cohesive last two Batman films! Give him Star Wars.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
RE: "It's gonna need to be written by committee" I AM NOT A COMMITTEE!
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
Wow...cut off most of my post.
by Baked
Nolan made the dour, plodding, and ultimately barely cohesive last two Batman films! Give him Star Wars.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
Firefly's existence makes me think Whedon on scripting duties is a no brainer, or at least script doctoring duties but somebody else to direct.
by FreeBeer
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:33 a.m. CST
I don't really see Gosling as the wise-cracking roguish type...
by Righteous Brother
but hey - I'd be willing to give him the chance. Oh and whoever name checked Darabont....I think he might be ok for Star Wars but his Indy script was abysmal, it was actually worse than what we ended up with for Crystal Skull.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
Still doing it.
by Baked
And people should really ease up on this pointless speculation. Most of your ideas are shit in the bowl spinning down the hole drawn by the gravity of whatever was new and hip in the last two years.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
...This talkback is broken.
by Baked
And people should really ease up on this pointless speculation. Most of your ideas are shit in the bowl spinning down the hole drawn by the gravity of whatever was new and hip in the last two years.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
Ha! Lindelof just posted a link to this thread on twitter saying 'If I ever need a suicide note, I'll just print out this comments section'...nice. Link below
by Stephen Farrell
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:34 a.m. CST
It makes some sense...
by 120chester
that LucasFilm and Disney are already far down the story/script path. After all, the purchase of LucasFilm didn't happen right at the announcement. A deal like that has been in negotiations for months (if not longer), and I am sure a condition of the agreement had always been that new Star Wars movies would be made, so why not get the ball rolling. Remember, the announcement of new movies was not made by Bob Iger in the Disney ivory tower speculating on the future. It was made by Lucas, who overtly gave his permission to make new films, and Kathleen Kennedy, who is responsible for actually getting the films made!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
Indy is All About Ford, and Ford is just too old
by JGer
Unless they decided to do a complete reboot (which I am sure we will see in our lifetime), there really shouldn't be much talk about it now. Star Wars films can be done with no involvement froom anyone tied into the first 6 films.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
Thanks, AICN, now you get blocktext for your troubles.
by Baked
Brad Bird competently made Mission Impossible, resurrecting a franchise we're not sure was actually dead! Give him Star Wars!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
Look at Avengers and "Flying Through The Battle" scene in Serenity to see how Whedon can come up with impressive and original action set pieces
by FreeBeer
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
stale elvis, you're WRONG...
by Mikey Wood
...Lucas wrote a TREATMENT, if that. A story. A plotline. Kasdan wrote the screenplay. They say Brackett's (who was an incredible writer) "voice" can be felt all over the place as far as character interaction. Lucas DIDN'T WRITE THE FILM. Coming up with a STORY is not nearly the same as WRITING A SCRIPT. LEARN the way the process works before you get all high and mighty, chief. "JESUS"!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
I also don't see anyone acting as Han/Luke/Leia's stand-ins
by AlienFanatic
Folks, the idea is to make VII a transitional film. The goal is to use the post-Jedi characters to hand off the franchise to younger actors that can carry VIII, IX, X, etc. If they do bring guys like Hamill back, as I think they will, it will likely be only for VII, they won't use stand-ins, and they will introduce Anakin Skywalker's grandchildren. I don't think they'll reference the Zahn books at all, since Lucas wrote the treatment and he HATES referencing the work of others. But I think it makes logical sense. Hell, per an article I read today Hamill revealed that Lucas told him and Fisher about the plans to make VII, VIII, and IX a few months ago. Why would he have even bothered to pull them aside if he hadn't planned on making use of them? All this speculation about using younger actors to replace them is silly. Sure, they could write a bridge story that shows the younger Han & Leia having force-aware children, but that's a lazy crutch. It'd be far more interesting to see a writer start the story with the late middle-age Luke at his Jedi academy working with the Solo children while Leia and Han look on from the sidelines.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
by Baked
That said, Star Wars has never really impressed me as a franchise, so I can't say my heart would break if they made another horrible movie. And people should really ease up on this pointless speculation. Most of your ideas are shit in the bowl spinning down the hole drawn by the gravity of whatever was new and hip in the last two years. --Nolan made the dour, plodding, and ultimately barely cohesive last two Batman films! Give him Star Wars. --Brad Bird competently made Mission Impossible, resurrecting a franchise we're not sure was actually dead! Give him Star Wars! --JJ Abrams loves lens flares and sci-fi! Give him Star Wars!-- Here's the truth. Star Wars will probably roll through directors like Harry Potter did unless they find someone with nothing better to do. Your director will either be passionate and capable or cashing in and brilliant. Either way, you won't be happy with the choice.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
There are only TWO people alive out of THREE that could work on this
by Ricardo
And the names of those two people alive are Gary Kurtz and Lawrence Kasdan. You know the third one who recently pased away.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
2015 minus 1952 equals 63. 63 divided by IX equals VII
by PHUCKO
2015 minus 1952 equals 63. 63 divided by IX equals VII. It's a cookbook!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
I'll echo previous comments: Yes to Brad Bird, No to Lindelof!!!
by Just_Some_Guy
Brad Bird is THE perfect choice for Star Wars. Lindelof will fuck it up. So would Orci and Kurtzman. Keep those fuckers away!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
Oh yeah, get Kurtz back!
by Just_Some_Guy
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:41 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:42 a.m. CST
Only bring back Luke, C3P0, and R2D2 back from OT. The rest should be all new characters
by Just_Some_Guy
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
Great job on connecting the dots, lv_426! But the explanations for the number '1952' itself are, er, not ready for prime time.
by kevred
You're one of the consistently best, smartest, and well-observing commenters on this site, but I think the real achievement was just identifying this project as the potential Episode VII. Compared to that, the speculation about the number 1952 itself seems half-baked and distracting. Well spotted, though. What are the odds that Disney would be planning a *different* sci-fi epic, complete with toy line, based on something completely original and undisclosed?
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:43 a.m. CST
by wannabedirector
.......am I the only one who thinks all this fucking sucks ass, yes the prequels were on par with the Matrix sequels, and nobody else could fuk 'em up more than they already have been. SERIOUSLY, the DIRECTOR of MI4 and writer of PROMETHEUS!!!??? Disney just took a shit on your doorstep, lit it on fire, and said go fuk urself!!!!! thanks!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:44 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
i really liked abrams's superman script
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
Yes Get Kasdan, because he has been a creative house of fire these last three decades
by JGer
Listen folks get old and most of them lose their touch. The Stones haven't written a good song in 30 years. Rolling a bunch of old farts out to make new Star Wars movies (both behind and in front of the camera) is just dumb. Honestly I think they should take the cue of Bond, Marvel etc. and give a non genre guy a chance at making a genre film.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
Guillermo del Toro on Disney's executives: "Give Toad a skateboard and make him say 'radical dude' things".
by JackPumpkinhead
That's what they told him when they asked him to direct an adaptation of "The Wind in the Willows".<p><p> That's Disney in a nutshell.<p><p> I hope this is actually Lucas's revenge on all the shitbags who kept screaming about the prequels and the raped childhoods. They're maybe 2% (at best) of viewers, but their moronic yelling seemed to have actually reached Lucas and embittered him, since he, for some weird reason, didn't just mock them immediately, as should have been done.<p><p> I'm hoping that, in in 5 years or so, when the Disney crap is already out, Lucas hopes to have these idiots screaming and crying that they miss him now and that the prequels really aren't that bad, especially compared to what Disney's executives have done to Star Wars.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST
All of it is true
by Steve Lamarre
There's no way they can make the 2015 date unless things are, and have been, seriously rolling forward by now. Lindelof and Bird are ideal choices for Star Wars, and they won't be wasted on some obscure UFO thing that happened in 1952. (Well, Lindelof ain't ideal, but he's a fine choice.)
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
Damon Lindelof? No thanks.
by oreodogvomit
Maybe for the proposed TV show but I think Prometheus showed us that what works on the small screen doesn't necessarily work in the cinema.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:49 a.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:50 a.m. CST
by Larry Jay
Is all we have at this point. My thoughts. Spielberg. He has the weight and the vision to bring this around. He's always wanted to direct Star Wars. His calendar is free after Lincoln. He's probably talked to George about this. He's the only person who can keep George's dickskinners off the project once he comes onboard. He's the ONLY person who can bring us Harrison Ford. General of the Republic HAN Solo And Jedi Grand Master Luke Skywalker.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
That Mark Hamil interview got me REALLY interested...
by Ricardo
... this might be it! Ford would NEVER do it, and that is just fine by me. But Mark Hamill and Tony Daniels sure would accept! Carrie Fisher, 90% chance...
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
Since it came up, if anyone wantes to read the Leigh Brackett draft of EMPIRE...
by Mikey Wood
...it's here: http://starwarz.com/starkiller/category/star-wars-scripts/the-empire-strikes-back-star-wars-scripts/ It's actually pretty good and you can certainly see the genesis of what ended up on screen.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
"wantes"? WANTS
by Mikey Wood
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:52 a.m. CST
Re: Hamill's and Neeson's birthdays
by Keith
What an absolute load of crap.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:53 a.m. CST
Have the Jedi start acting like a cult
by bobbofatz
Shine a light on them. Maybe the Jedi have become to preachy and powerful. They become similar to some big fat earth church. Bringing in lots of sheep and dough but doing very little for the good of the force.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:54 a.m. CST
Hamill and Fisher
by Keith
To be honest I'm not sure I want to see either of them in any sequel. Physically they both look so far from how they did in 1983 that...it would just seem too weird. And, please...Damon Lindelof...no.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
by JAMF
lindelof? are you fucking kidding me? better be fake.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:55 a.m. CST
oh god i know what we're gonna get
by Stephen
its gonna be luke as obi wan and his apprentice fight against some sith guy and there's all the great mystery about the past between ROTJ and ep 7 and then they're gonna do episodes 6.1, 6.2, 6.3 prequels to a sequel about how the new republic fell apart and this new evil rose to power
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:56 a.m. CST
Maybe I've watched Aliens too many times and the ping ping ping of the motion tracker has driven me insane?
by lv_426
It is all just speculation for fun really. I could be right, or wrong. Like flipping a coin. It's a 50/50 chance.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:58 a.m. CST
LeBeef doesn`t deserve good spelling.
by higgledyhiggles
Shia I am your father. No No No No No No...
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:59 a.m. CST
I guess these type of articles is what we can expect for the next 2 years...
by Jay
Wild speculation and the picking apart of any related news. The most annoying thing about Star Wars is, and always has been, it's "fans". I look forward to the new film. Just not it's build from the nerds.
Nov. 1, 2012, noon CST
lv, you deserve praise for keeping SW talkback at the top
by Stephen
but u cray man
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:04 p.m. CST
fan favorite film writer Damon Lindelof
by Soliok
What fans of what films? Fuck you, sir.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST
"I could be right, or wrong. Like flipping a coin. It's a 50/50 chance." Um, you don't get how probability works.
by FreeBeer
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:08 p.m. CST
You're assuming there is just as much chance you are right as there is you are wrong.
by FreeBeer
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST
Reboot/Recast like Star Was...Ashton Kutcher IS Han Solo...Justin Bieber is Luke.
by higgledyhiggles
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:09 p.m. CST
John Carpenter should direct this shit
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:10 p.m. CST
Doesn't Joe Johnston Make Sense?
by JGer
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:11 p.m. CST
yeah joe johnston makes sense
by Stephen
because he's a shitty director just like lucas
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:13 p.m. CST
Lets get this right once and for all, 1952 is the year.......
by Marlboroliteman
Brian Cox started drinking hard liquor. Three weeks ago The National Advocate reported a story of a Japanese man being chased by an intoxicated, fully nude Brian Cox thru the streets of Bolder, Colorado. According to the report the Japanese man after being chased more than a mile and a half finally reached the Bolder, Colorado Police Station and burst inside screaming "HELP ME HELP ME please he's comming to get me!!" The witnesses inside the police department said that the man then proceeded to barricade the entrance with chairs and whatever else he could find. Then to the shock of everyone a nude, fully aroused Brian Cox crashed thru the doors sending the Japanese man to the floor. Then according to witnesses Brian Cox yelled "I am a Sith Lord from the planet Zeus and I have come to baptize your first born!!" then after a 25 minute fight involving more than 11 police officers Brian Cox was finally subdued. Sargent Jim Pittman said he's never seen anything like it "the man took 4 point blank hits in the gut from a shotgun using bean bag rounds and he still kept comming. At one point we had 5 taizer guns hooked into him and all those volts didn't even phase him." Police Commisioner DeBoise stated he was in a mild state of shock after viewing the survalence camera footage of the incident, "He sent six of my guys to the hospital, but after seeing what happened on tape....thank God it wasn't worse."
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:14 p.m. CST
Cobra and LV are correct
by paladinryan
Prometheus did have editing problems, and if you compare the 1952 news timeline to the SW one, they match up, even to when Lucas called Fisher and Hamill up for lunch in August. Iger approached Lucas back in May of 2011--it would make sense that he would start talking to Lindelof about possibly writing the script the next month in June, as a way to show Lucas they had the right people in place (Bird as well) to do this. I bet MI4's great success and John Carter's failure sealed the deal for Bird.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:16 p.m. CST
Good choice
by Chrono85
I think that Brad Bird is a great choice as director, and I don't really mind Lindelof. My only real concern right now is that they will re-cast the Luke, Han and Leia, which would be a terrible decission. If Ford wont' return, then I'd rather the movie be set decades after Jedi, where Luke is the only one still alive, with his life span having been extended by the force or something. They could throw in a character that is the grand child of Han and Leia or something, so they are still connected to the new trilogy, but recasting them would be a horrible, horrible idea.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:18 p.m. CST
Why people are excited about Bird too
by paladinryan
The man made 'The Iron Giant,' one of the best serious animated films since Secret of Nimh. And he's a master of capturing family dynamics (Incredibles, Ratatouille), which is what these films will need if we're going to follow the next generation of Skywalkers. I want to see a brother vs. sister lightsaber duel! Incredibles and MI4 showed he can direct action, as well.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:22 p.m. CST
Stop the gay subtext
by Jeff
Star Wars needs to drop the gay subtext. Light sabres? Cock symbolism.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST
Poor Luke...
by DirtyWookie
Bloody hell, Mark Hamill didn't even look like Mark Hamill by the time of Jedi.... Like someone said, a few trips to the gym, teeth whitened a little, bit of Botox... He'll look fine!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
Bottom line....
by DANGER_DIABOLIK_
.....just continue from where the story ended at Return of the Jedi.... ...recast the 3 main leads (due to age).... ...and chuck a load of money in the direction of Ryan Gosling (Han Solo), Michelle Williams (Leia), and DiCaprio (Skywalker).... ....get actors in, who CAN act....end of.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:25 p.m. CST
Also I predict....
by DirtyWookie
In the new films, Luke becomes the bad ass Sith Lord with Leis kids trying to take him down.... You read it here first folks Or maybe read it in a comic/novel!!?! I don't read the eu shit.....
Thanks Paladinryan. I think LV is possibly onto something too, the vague announcement about a big budget new sci fi tentpole film with cross media appeal - sounds exactly like a description for STAR WARS. I think LV should probably have left it at that tho rather than trying to find meaning in the numbers 1952 and match them up to Mark Hamills birthdate etc, thats a little too far and has possibly muddied the waters abit. Although LOST fans do know that Lindelof seems to like his *numbers*...
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:26 p.m. CST
Leia..... I meant Leia... Crappy phone
by DirtyWookie
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
Mark Hamill didn't even look like Mark Hamill by the time of Jedi....
by Samuel Fulmer
Wasn't that because his face went through a car windshield right around the time Star Wars came out? I mean look at Empire, that guy looks totally different from the one in A New Hope. Maybe he got switched a la Paul Mccartney.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
by J-Dizzle
Excuse my ignorance, but from what I know, Brad Bird's only good movie is Mission Impossible 4. Has he done some other great projects I haven't heard about? Because I'm weary of handing Star Wars over to a director based on the success of just 1 movie.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
Dear God, please no Hans Zimmer
by Raptor Jesus
He's done some fine scores, but not for this. I'd say get a Spanish composer named Roque Banos.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
I'll take Lindelof...
by deathvalley69
...if that gets me Bird.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:29 p.m. CST
by DANGER_DIABOLIK_
....and for the love of Buddah, keep the likes of Shia LaBoeuf, Steven Speilberg, Damon Lindelof, and Jar Jar Abrams AWAY from it.........try Joss Whedon, Ridders Scott, Chris Nolan etc....
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:31 p.m. CST
1952 was the year that Lucas stopped wetting his bed
by Samuel Fulmer
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:32 p.m. CST
So a film every three years..
by donkey_lasher
...but it doesn't really work like Bond does it?
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:33 p.m. CST
Maybe they'll get Tobe Hooper
by Samuel Fulmer
And let Spielberg ghost direct it!
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:36 p.m. CST
The whole Bond comparison brought up by Disney is stupid shit
by Samuel Fulmer
You can easily make a Bond movie every three years, because they're fricken formula films based around one character. I mean, if Disney said hey we're doing an Indiana Jones movie every three films like Bond, then shit, I'd get it, because you could, because they have a formula, revolve around one character, and take place on the planet Earth. If they start pumping these out every three years they'll be as shoddy as the old school serials from the 30's that served as their initial inspiration.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:38 p.m. CST
Mark Hamill + virtual unknowns
by GeorgieBoy
Seriously. We don't want Shia Labeef or Justin Beiber as Padawans driving these movies. Populate the cast with some virtual unknowns so that the audience isn't distracted with "Hey look! It's Hannah Montana in Jedi robes!"
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
STAR WARS = SUMMER. Fuck this holiday release bullshit!
by AzulTool
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:39 p.m. CST
Mark Hamill + VR Troopers
by Samuel Fulmer
Maybe Saban will get bought out by Disney. We are....We are....V-R!
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST
I just hope to some higher power they stay the Hell away from Tatooine
by Samuel Fulmer
New worlds or maybe a return trip to Dagobah or Hoth. I mean shit, Tatooine is in 5 of the 6 films so far. Can we take a break!
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST
Bird's twitter comment
by Steve
And there's this: https://twitter.com/BradBirdA113/status/261248522312114176 "@comradeparker: MIGP is big spectacle fun on par with Jurassic Park." Thanks. More "big spectacle fun" on the way--!
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:41 p.m. CST
I like the idea of an old ass Luke, trying to string together a new Jedi order. Just make him real fucked-up-looking, not like that's hard.
by AzulTool
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:45 p.m. CST
quentin tarantino should direct this shit
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:47 p.m. CST
I Lindelof You
by Dawhiteguy
If not for LOST. I might not of acquired the taste for where Science fiction is really going. That is, with SAGA!!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
Hard to believe Lindelof reads these threads
by AlienFanatic
If I were him, I sure woudln't :) Hey, I may criticize him but I also don't walk in his shoes. Hollywood is a cutthroat business so even surviving is a miracle. That said, I still don't like where he went with Prometheus and I found Cowboys & Aliens an empty experience. That said, I don't hate him, but I do think he's not right for adapting other peoples' works. I think there are screenwriters with a better grasp of characters and, if he's honest, Damon would want the very best people working on Star Wars, even if they weren't him. Hell, if I were a writer *I* wouldn't want to touch Star Wars. Far too much baggage and high expectations. As a fan, I'd rather be surprised by what other writers come up with. Just as long as Episode VII doesn't start with, oh I dunno, a new galactic dispute brought on by a rounding error made by the head of the Republic's accounting services department.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST
That said...
by AlienFanatic
I really wish I hadn't said "That said" so much. Ugh. GIVE ME AN EDIT BUTTON DAMMIT!
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST
LOL @Samfulmer re: Bedwetting. Now I feel guilty for laughing at such pettiness, but damn if Lucas didn't bring out my ugly side.
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
@azultool IIRC, Star Wars and the holidays is a match made in heaven. Now sit down and let's celebrate Life Day!
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
Tatooine is an easy filming location
by GeorgieBoy
Easier than making up a fake swamp or fighting through the wet snow.
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST
@azultool Easily done. Light saber in one hand and a fifth of JD in the other. Drunken Jedi Master sword-fu FTW!
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
@azultool I can hear Mr. Plinkett now as he looks at Luke, "AAAH! WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIS FACE?!"
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST
by Quarantined
That's been Damon's twitter background for a while... I think at least since LOST ended (when I started checking his twitter feed out).
Nov. 1, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
Lindelof? Hell NO! But...let him do it. Could be worse!
by Phantasmagor
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:07 p.m. CST
I can understand why people would want Bird or Verbinski for Star Wars... but Nolan?!
by hank henshaw
What in Nolan's filmography makes Star Wars fans think "this is the guy!"? I don't get it. I'm not a fan of either Star Wars or Nolan, so maybe that's why I can't see the connection. Now, someone was mentioning Nolan for James Bond. That actually makes sense. I wanted Brad Bird for Superman long before they got Snyder (ugh, dammit!), and Ghost Protocol became a hit. Maybe, if Bird is not to make Star Wars, he can do a new Indiana Jones.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
I fucking knew it!!!!!!!! Knew they would that douchebag Lindlof!!! Surpised they didn't ask Orci/Kurtzman first...
by Squinty CGI Flynn
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:08 p.m. CST
Will Greg Grunberg be in Star Wars? His fat body is everywhere.
by The Comrade
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:09 p.m. CST
Take your fucktarded children to see this!
by Squinty CGI Flynn
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST
re: Lucas bedwetting. It was actually hasn't happened stop yet because he still uses rubber sheets. FACT!!!
by Rob
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:10 p.m. CST
Just don't fuck up METAL GEAR SOLID. Then I don't care about Star Wars.
by The Comrade
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST
John Carpenter for Episode VII...
by Wes_Reviews_
Come on... You know you'd go watch that shit in a heartbeat.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST
haha hell yeah wes_reviews_ i said that a few posts up
by Stephen
dont think he'd go for it though. too many suits telling him what to do.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:16 p.m. CST
Please...someone make it relevant, again.
by PorkChopXpress
I have lost almost every shred of the love I once held for Star Wars. It's like when you fall in love, and then the person you fall in love with starts acting like a dipshit and you find that you're just sort of tolerating them, with moments of love. Then finally, there's almost nothing left but the memory of that original love, which MIGHT be able to be re-kindled, if your significant other wasn't still such an idiot. That's where I'm at with Star Wars, right now...pretty much just expecting more stupidity, but hoping that things might someday turn around.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:19 p.m. CST
Bird as director = 9/10 / Lindelof as writer =7/10. Here's why:
by Quarantine
Star Wars is personal to all of us but Brad Bird is arguably the best director to "reboot" the Star Wars franchise because: 1) He storyboards everything resulting in breathtaking action scenes and tension in both the Incredibles and MI. It's obvious he understands coherent action like few others (Cameron jumps to mind) 2) He has 21st century comedic sensibility and knows how to reach different demographics without making things seem overly childish. 3) He understands group dynamics. He's not Whedon obviously in this way but he's better than most. 4) Star Wars is largely animated. Lindelof is less exciting but... 1) There are TONs of worse writers *cough* George Lucas. 2) Hes shown he enjoys sci-fi but also understands character and his dialogue is realistic and ocassionally inspired. Lost showed a fun blend of science and myth for a while and Star Wars needs that. 3) He brought elements of Star Wars to Star Trek so it's obvious that was his first love. OVERALL: I'd take a 16/20 Director/writer pairig on some new Star Wars films. Star Trek was a lot more fun than I expected and this could be even better than that.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:23 p.m. CST
1+9+5+2= 17, 1+7 =8
by Pat
2+0+1+5= 8 8 is...fucking infinity! Brad Bird Millenium Falcon = Bird DAMON LINDELOF DIM LIFE NO LOAD = The force is dying! Can't you fucking see it?? It's in the STARS! The fucking STAR WARS! AAAAHHHRRRGGHHH!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:24 p.m. CST
That would be good or a combination of his character in
by SID 8.0
Last Resort. "I will turn turn your son's base into glass."
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST
Damon Lindelof is being considered because of his stellar work as a staff writer on 'Nash Bridges'
by AzulTool
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST
Lindelof isn't as bad as David Goyer...
by Wes_Reviews_
...or Orci/Kurtzman for that matter.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:28 p.m. CST
2 years ago there was that Empire Strikes Back charity screening at the arclight
by Samuel Fulmer
Christopher Nolan, Jon Favreau, and Marvel President Kevin Feige were all in attendance. Food for thought?????
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
brad bird aint got no style
by Stephen
thats why y'all like him so much. cuz he wont bring any new and unwanted personality to your precious franchise i get it
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
They can't screw it all up worse than Lucas did himself. And Lindelof is a great writer, except...
by Kremzeek
For what you mentioned, Nordling. Lindelof's dialogue is typically great (even if it was merely mediocre, it'd be better than the horrific stuff Lucas came up with). His themes, moods, and build-ups almost always work. His stories, in general, are really well done. BUT... He NEEDS to start answering questions he asks in his stories! For real. I loved Prometheus (in the minority around AICN, I know), and I had no problem with the ending being so wide open. But... he needed to clear up SOME stuff. There was too much left over for a presumed sequel--which isn't good writing. He's gotten a reputation now for not finishing what he's started. If he can get a grasp on that fault in his writing, he'd be stellar. Because, other than that one problem, he's a much better writer than most Hollywooders working today (Orci/Kurtz, I'm looking at you...) No matter what, SW is in better hands now, in my opinion. Can't say I'm all that excited about new films, but we'll see what happens. (More excited about *maybe* getting the OT released without all the CGI bs added.) I think LV_426 could be onto something. Sounds like a solid theory, anyway.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:36 p.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:37 p.m. CST
They should not use big names..
by GBH
Lucas didn't originally.. Only big names you could use were ones from the original if its right to do so... Most of whom aren't doing much anyway...
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:38 p.m. CST
oh yeah, and where is creepythinman? FACT!
by GBH
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST
I'm worried that Disney is rushing this Sequel Trilogy - why the accelerated timetable and rushed deadlines?
by Joey Stars
They own the property and need to get it just right, not in a George Lucas tinkering kind of way with Crystal Skull, but find the right team (sorry Lindelof, not you). They have the luxury now of taking their time. If anything, I think they should focus on Indy 5 first, pair Spielberg with a great screenwriter, let them come up with a great concept and have Indy come out in 2015, Harrison Ford ain't getting younger. And this will probably be Indy's last dance, and last opportunity to correct Crystal Skull. Time's a wasting.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:40 p.m. CST
@porkchopxpress: HAHAHA, that's exactly how I feel. The Disney acquisition makes me hopeful again tho
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
What's in the treatment is...
by theremustbeCHAOS
That Luke is training new Jedi including his niece and nephew (Luke has no children in the treatment and no mention of Mara Jade), Leia and Lando are emissaries helping to reshape the galaxy and Han has become a drunkard with Chewie looking out for him/protecting him from himself.) The Big bad in the story is "Lucky" Mavin. He is a child of Alderaan who was off planet with his father at the time the planet was destroyed. His father was later killed trying to bomb an imperial ship for revenge. Mavin spent years studying traveling the galaxy alone (except a droid named Ti88) studying the force and military history. He finds out why Alderaan was destroyed and seeks to payback all that were involved. He is helped by a mysterious figure and the climax of episode VII has a familiar planet being destroyed (along with a main character or two). The main characters are definetly the Solo twins and Luke. There is also a bounty hunter character that has a substantial role. This all comes from the outline. It's pretty dark but I expect it will or has been lightened up in the script phase.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:42 p.m. CST
For a franchise that's lost its direction, Lindelof is just the guy to send it over the cliff.
by David H Miller
Bye bye
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:43 p.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:46 p.m. CST
It seems pretty obvious to me. You believe Disney are starting up a sci-fi franchise written by a known Star Wars fanatic complete with theme parks, toys, etc. and it's called "1952"? Really?
by skoolbus
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:51 p.m. CST
important to note that Lindelof acknowledged the existence of this talkback but didnt deny shit
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST
New man in charge at Disney, Alan Horn...
by michael
Is basically a godsend for Star Wars. The guy is down to earth, personable, and look at his track record.... Launched Castle Rock with Rob Reiner (Shawshank, Stand By Me, Misery, Few Good Men, Princess Brinde....). Nearly every story they churned out was totally grounded in story first (in fact the Diner scene in When Harry Met Sally was based off how Alan's mom and dad met. The movie was dedicated to his dad, Saul). Then he heads up Warners for over 10 years and his mantra there was to do more movies, not less and have 2 significant tentpoles a year. He took gambles on franchises early and gave them a better life than anyone else would. His first was on Harry Potter, and we see that turned out all right. The Batman reboot, that was him. There's a reason Christopher Nolan calls Warners home now. Star Wars will be done incredibly right, simply from the influence at the very top. He will put the right people in place and they will do their work.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:53 p.m. CST
by Darth Busey
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:55 p.m. CST
Haven't film makers heard of OVER EXPOSURE?
by LORDOFLIGHT
It's all very well trying to bring Star Wars into retail, theme parks etc, etc but there gets a point when it's just everywhere and people get fed up with it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:56 p.m. CST
AICN article about Star Wars sequels from two years ago
by Samuel Fulmer
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
@mpbarnet: Agreed. Trust in Disney, whether you think they're "too corporate" or not--look how they handled Marvel
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
It appears I've been caught mid-wank
by lv_426
http://www.slashfilm.com/lets-speculate-wildly-are-brad-bird-and-damon-lindelof-already-working-on-star-wars-vii/ http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com/BlogtownPDX/archives/2012/11/01/were-we-told-back-in-may-whod-be-making-star-wars-episode-vii
Nov. 1, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
#1-YAY! More SW! #2-Absolutely bring back Fisher, Hamill, Ford, the droids, and Chewbacca
by shran
And heck yeah set it 30 years after ROTJ. Hey folks, Alec Guiness was an old guy. So was Yoda (OK, he was a puppet). The point being that it fits perfectly into the Star Wars universe as seen in A New Hope. Luke is the now wizened Jedi who has up to this point been trying to re-organize the Jedi Order with his sister (she being too pre-occupied with aiding in getting the New Republic established and raising her family with Han). But her Jedi training has been completed for the most part. Like most young rogues who have been tamed and made into family men, Han has been turned into a legit businessman and while he still looks back fondly on his adventurous days has become less inclined to risk-taking and is playing it safe. Maybe Chewbacca is recruited to let Han know it's time to get off his duff and join the cause, remember that there are things more important than money, and re-ignite the passion in him. A return of evil is the catalyst for our heroes to band together Ben Kenobi style and convince a younger group of aspiring Jedi and other assorted characters (who can take over the mantle) of taking on this new threat (or old one as the case may be). Get rid of the politics. Keep the potential for goofy Jar Jars and Ewoks to an absolute minimum. Focus on action and adventure and fun, like Lucas' love and inspiration for SW, Buck Rogers serials. We can escape every couple of summers to the theater and see our old heroes (in much smaller roles) guide our new heroes into journeys and battles and adventures. There is SOOO much potential for Star Wars to get back on track and do what it does best. I am SOOO excited at the prospect of this and absolutely excited that something very, very awesome could be just around the corner. I never outgrew it and I never stopped loving it, even with the very flawed prequels. A New Hope indeed.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2 p.m. CST
Star Wars Lego's every fuckin where in supermarkets here in the UK.
by LORDOFLIGHT
Star Wars has always been very commercial but that Lego shit's takin over. It's demeaning to the films seeing tacky merchandise aimed at 5 year olds everywhere.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:03 p.m. CST
The next trilogy pretty much writes itself
by FitnaTheForbiddenMovie
I mean, you need Luke on Coruscant training Jedi hopefuls, you need remnants of the Empire colluding with pirates and bounty hunters and of course the Sith will resurface. Get someone like Josh Holloway to play a scoundrel type of Jedi, give him an R5 droid and a mission to uncover the conspiracy against the new Republic. Go from there. And keep Han, Leia, Chewie, Threepio and R2 as far away as possible. Obviously Luke plays a bigger role as a mentor, maybe he comes in and saves his former pupil's ass at the end of the day. But keep it simple and straightforward. Please, no Skywalker kids or Solo kids.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST
lv you're gorgeous.
by Stephen
I've never actually seen the rumor start before. this has been a pleasure
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:04 p.m. CST
Never underestimate the value in a fan getting to write their dream script (Linedeloff writing Star Wars)
by Quarantine
Honestly, for me, if this story is true, I'm encouraged. Not just because he's a huge fan of Star Wars but also because it would basically mean that Lucas, Disney and Brad Bird all thought it was a good script to take the Star Wars universe in a new direction. Not all writers are perfect for every project. Not everyone's that much of a pro. But Lindeloff has been one of the more outspoken Star Wars fans since he first burst onto the screen. He talked about Star Wars while writing Lost. He recently talked about it with the nerdist here: http://www.nerdist.com/2012/03/nerdist-writers-panel-32-damon-lindelof/ And he apparently wrote that spec script. So, while there are obviously better writers out there... I'm not convinced or at least aware of any beyond Whedon who jump right out at the front of the pack in a way that screams "I'm the guy for Star Wars" so I'd almost rather take my chances on a guy who's my age and probably loves Star Wars for the exact same reasons I love Star Wars. Hell, I think I WOULD write a better Star Wars script than many other SciFi scripts because I love the universe that much so why couldn't Lindeloff?
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:07 p.m. CST
@shran: I'd only get excited about the new films if it veers off and away from the Skywalker story
by Kremzeek
Fine if Hamill is around as a 'mentor character', it's probably inevitable. But I don't want to see old Han, old well... everyone. The time has passed. It's too late for all that. I want a more expansive story, not the same old characters again. It makes the universe feel far too small. There's a WHOLE GALAXY out there. Why go back to the 5 or so known characters... when they're wearing dentures and walking with canes? (An exaggeration, but I still don't want to see it.) We need a new story that springboards from the Skywalker story, but is it's own entity. But, I digress, as I really don't care too much about new SW. I just want the OT on Blu--and if making a new SW film is what has to happen first for that to be relevant... so be it. Disney's not stupid. They'll do everything in their power to meet the OT demand that Lucas has ignored for years.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST
Hang on
by Prawnee
1+9+5+2=17. 17=the amount of shits i don't give about stupid theories like this.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
mpbarnet's post above about Alan Horn is a must-read. Wasn't aware of any of that.
by Quarantine
Many look to Marvel Films lately as an example of how studios should pair directing and writer talents with various franchises but it sounds like that Alan Horn guy isn't far behind. I'm optimistic as any Star Wars fan should be. We're going from the bubble that George lived in where nobody would tell him where he was going wrong, to top tier production approach that will focus group and test the hell out of this like they do for every Pixar film. There's a reason all Pixar films do well critically and entertain audiences around the world. They spent a ton of time crafting story and script until it's right.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:10 p.m. CST
I agree with quarantine...Lindelof is a good choice.
by GunterMonkey
Think of all the writing hacks that could tackle this project...I mean, honestly...Disney could do far, far worse than Lindelof (who is a true fan of Star Wars)...if this is true, I think Bird/Lindelof would be an amazing pair to resurrect the Star Wars franchise...
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
Why the hell are people treating this as anything other than baseless speculation???
by SminkyPinky
This is serious tinfoil hat territory and it's spreading like fucking wildfire across the internet. There is NO basis or evidence for any of this and just results in fans looking like sad idiots.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:14 p.m. CST
What SW really needs is more Channing Tatum!
by Kakii
And I stand tall unapologetic in the fact I loved the shit out the prequels! They raped no ones childhood, peoples expectations were too high like a heroin addict trying to recapture their first hit! Yes Ive a couple of minor gripes, Yes I love the originals more! But the prequals were good and ROTS is my fave after Empire. The only thing Lucas did wrong was Indy 4 and Spielberg should take half the blame on that.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
Lindelof reads AICN, read his latest twitter post
by sunwukong86
Damon Lindelof @DamonLindelof If I ever need a suicide note, I'll just print out this comments section. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/59411
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
mpbarnet - bang on the money
by SminkyPinky
Someone speaking sense for a change. I think you're completely right about Horn.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:17 p.m. CST
Before Lindelof gets his hands on Star Wars, give it to Paul W.S. Anderson.
by The Comrade
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST
Hamill/Fisher knew about Ep7 for months
by xtremist02812
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:18 p.m. CST
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced Brad Bird's the perfect guy for this
by Quarantine
You want somebody that can commit to a bunch of these and who's excited to put their name on something special. You want somebody who's on the rise that's displayed an unusual ability to direct action and tension coherently and maintain a good pace. You want somebody that understands visual effects. You want somebody's whose stylish enough without constantly reminding you in every frame, "I'm the guy directing this movie!" the way Tim Burton, David Fincher, Michael bay, and Timur Bekmambetov movies, just to name a few directors with "Trademark" style) do. You want somebody who knows how to direct a family friendly movie without it feeling like it's just for kids. Lindeloff has given us less reasons to be as optimistic but I'm willing to give him a chance. He's aware of everything that people disliked about the prequels and that would immediately put him at an advantage in crafting one of the top 3 Star Wars scripts (after A New Hope and Empire). If you're a Star Wars fan... wouldn't you take that combo?
LV, I told you that this rumor would be retweeted around the world in 48 hours! However the debunking that First Showing claim offers no substantiation at all, here's how they claim to debunk and I quote: *It's all pretty convincing. But we've talked to somebody who is in the know when it comes to 1952, and while word on the street is that it's really good, it's not Star Wars: Episode VII. * They use the old *word on the street*... come on! I say this rumor lives on - as you see Lindelof himself is aware of it and has NOT denied it. The dates and the logic of 1952 being codename STAR WARS EP VII still make sense.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST
Just because you're a fan doesn't mean you're meant to make something...
by Wes_Reviews_
...look at Rob Zombie. Die-hard horror fan, but I really think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who thinks he should still be directing movies.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:21 p.m. CST
Stop talking about Lindeloff like it's a fact!
by SminkyPinky
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:23 p.m. CST
m6y Did we see the same Trek movie? I don't think so.
by Bob
I saw it twice in theaters, and BOTH times, it received heavy applause. Trek was dead. Nemesis was a fucking mess, and drove the final nail in the NG's and Trek's coffin. This was an excellent reboot. (Except for the Enterprises engine room. It looked like a fucking brewery.) As for Prometheus, people on here are bashing it way too much. Starting with Alien 3, by Fincher, the Alien franchise started going down the shitter, with AVP2:R finally killing it. This was so, so much better. It ended pretty much how I expected too. I am curious to see how a sequel to it will go.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
quarantine-I agree about Brad Bird
by Samuel Fulmer
The only concern I'd have with him is if there's any kind of drama to the story, then how would he handle it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
by Cactus228
I seriously don't understand the hate at all. Love the guy.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:26 p.m. CST
Everyone in this comment section is an idiot
by Ben
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:27 p.m. CST
Rob Zombie aint made 1 shit film!
by Kakii
And I didnt like house of 1000 corpses, but a lot did. If your gonna use an example try Paul W.S. Anderson, he made 2 good movies then went down hill into churning out RE shite films.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST
Paul WS Anderson made good movies?
by Stephen
enlighten me
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:29 p.m. CST
Lindelof, Kurtzman and Orci
by evergreen
I don't think Yoda understands me
cactus228, hello Damon.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:33 p.m. CST
How can Ford feel Star Wars is below him after starring in Hollywood Homicide + Morning Glory?
by DARTH VOODOO
How can the star of such classics as Hollywood Homicide, Morning Glory, Regarding Henry, Cowboys and Aliens, Firewall, etc feel he is too good for a new SW film or that Han Solo is a dumb character? Pretty safe to say Solo is far more interesting than any of the characters he played in any of the films listed above and is a cultural icon on top of it. To me Han Solo was always much cooler than Indiana Jones...Get with the program Harrison and do the next SW film for the simple reason it will bring smiles to a lot of people's faces and that's what it's all about. P.S. I am a huge fan of the man and it is not my intention in anyway to put him down.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST
cobra--kai, you should be wary of such theories...
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Remember your own about the mysterious date at the end of the Prometheus credits, and how that was a reference to a sequel that had be filmed in secret? Don't fall for Lindelof and Abram's vacuous 'mystery box' jiggery-pokery....
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST
Lindelof is a great writer? have you watched
by frank
Prometheus? the story of the whole movie screams that it has been written by a salesman, not an artist. But i guess we live in the century of mediocrity so hacks like Lindelof is the way to go.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:38 p.m. CST
Is anyone still talking about Ghost Protocol? It was okay, but i've forgotten 90% of it.
by Fortunesfool
How does that translate to a great film-maker? It would be ironic if JJ got this gig considering Star Trek was just all the character and story beats from Star Wars anyway. But lacking in any of the cinematic sensibility that Lucas brought to it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
I'm gonna save this talkback so if I ever make it as a screenwriter/filmmaker and all the fans hate my guts I'll come back and read this and feel okay
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
Hollywood Homicide-I actually like that movie
by Samuel Fulmer
Terrible film, but so bad it's good.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
Lindelof is a deal-breaker for me.
by Margot Tenenbaum
I am prepared to give Disney the benefit of the doubt on Episode VII, but holy crap that's out the window if Lindelof is their guy.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:39 p.m. CST
First Showing says the rumor has already been debunked: http://www.firstshowing.net/2012/debunked-brad-birds-1952-not-a-cover-for-star-wars-episode-vii/
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST
Worth the 3 bucks I spent on the DVD at Big Lots!
by Samuel Fulmer
turd, yeah I know - but at least it seems we will be getting a PROMETHEUS sequel in the not-too-distant future. And I suspect theres nothing in this rumor either but its fun to speculate and having played a part in suggesting LV send his theory into aicn its also fun to see it go viral... The fact of the matter is that somewhere, someone has been working away on EP VII - that 2015 release date is just way too soon to go in from a standing start.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST
Ford has to be in this...
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
even if it's a small role and only in the first episode... They should drive a dump truck full of gold bars up to his ranch, hold his dog to ransom, threaten to leak photographs of him and Fisher snorting lines of coke off each others' ass cracks backstage at Elstree in '82; whatever it takes.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:42 p.m. CST
by Teddy Artery
I will personally boycott the movie if he's attached to write.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
coke on carrie fisher's ass crack in 82 is a turn on for me
by Stephen
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
Assuming Star Wars wouldn't be the same type of film as Prometheus...
by Tom Fremgen
Damon Lindelof should do fine with it. The guy can write, he just doesn't know when to stop yanking the audience's chain and just tell the damn story. I don't the next trilogy will be a 'shell game' likemost of his previous work. And Brad Bird directing? Shit! Even with a shit script he can make it cool. Ratatouille was suppose to be headed for the dumpster when he saved it!
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:50 p.m. CST
Brad Bird...
by Darth Maui
I have no proof of this whatsoever but going back to around 2005 I wanted to see Brad Bird direct a Star Wars film.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:52 p.m. CST
cobra--kai, maybe some poor screenwriter is locked up in a dungeon in the bowels of The Magic Kingdom, kind of like the Keymaker in Matrix Reloaded?
by lv_426
Toiling away 16 hours a day at new Star Wars scripts. Also, I never thought this theory would go beyond the talkbacks here. As for 1952. I think that actually sounds like a cool project if it is indeed based on the Washington flap and UFO lore. I need more than just Ancient Aliens and X-Files reruns for my alien lore/UFO conspiracy fix. So perhaps 1952 is legit? Or is it 1952: Blue Harvest Boogaloo? I think either way, Brad Bird and Damon Lindelof on Star Wars Ep. VII or this 1952 project could be good times at the theater.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:56 p.m. CST
Star Wars X-treme - the Lindelof vision
by evergreen
Yo, I ain't goin' out like that
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
coke on carrie fisher's ass crack in 82
by lv_426
The next great talkbacker handle.
Nov. 1, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
The 7 key ingredients to a succesful Star Wars spinoff are:
by Quarantine
1) Strong mythology at its core. A New Hope worked because it was basically Joseph Campbell's research on mythology set in Space complete with princesses, orphans who become heroes and (essentially) a large fortress in space. A new Star Wars film shouldn't simply re-invent those same mythological elements. It should seek out new (old) ones and pull from other myths and timeless stories to create an entirely new story for us all. 2) 50 shades of grey. No, not the book. The prequels were all about the good guys being extremely good (white) and the villains being completely bad (black). But ANH and ESB also had some shades of Grey because of the characters of Han and Lando. Even C3P0, due to him being less heroic than R2, was a shade of grey. He was more of a coward and a reluctant participant in the whole journey. The prequels only became more interesting as characters became more complex (from cardboard to slightly 3D) in Revenge of the Sith. These new Star Wars movies will need some other characters that audiences can relate to with some shades of grey to them. 3) A strong villain with a clear goal that has stacked the odds against our heroes in a way that seems insurmountable. The original Star Wars was rebellious. It was literally a band of rebels going up against an empire. The prequels lacked this. We kept watching just to see how all the dots connected because we knew that they did but there was no tension specifically because we knew that Palpatine would become emperor no matter what and Vader would become Vader. A new Star Wars film needs a new villain to come along and pose a legitimate threat to the characters and people in a way that is believable but also terrifying. We don't want to be hearing about politics. We want to see a ruthless villain enslaving and destroying planets. Anything less has already been done. 4) Charm/strong group dynamic with some in-fighting, disagreement, and joking around along the way. Again, the prequels lacked this. 5) A nice mixture of different genre elements all packed into one. The jedi training scenes were like old samurai movies. The ship scenes were better than car racing scenes or warfare scenes in other films. The Death Star scenes were like a prison camp break in and escape movie. The playfulness of the group was like an old western. Star Wars worked because they used to feel like they ultimate movies. They had elements of everything you liked in other movies all put into one. 6) Splendor and wonder. I'll hand it George and the ILM crew here. The Prequels still had this but because of the CG revolution we all sort of rebelled against it. CG is better now and the Trek proved that guys in makeup and costumes can be merged with CG effectively. The wookies in ROTS also looked great. 7) Some romance doesn't hurt when the chemistry seems solid. Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford did seem to have a legitimately playful kind of sexual tension going that was believable enough that you could accept it. The prequels lacked that. Star Wars fans everywhere understand that these are the ingredients that made Star Wars what it was. It wasn't just the Henson touch (though that helped), or the retro look (that's nostalgia). It was all these other elements combining and they still can combine again. Let's hope that these guys get it and that we get all these elements again.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3 p.m. CST
Luke & Anakin
by DaBUU
Will we get to see Luke communing with Anakin? That would be cool, wouldnt even mind Hayden Christiansen in that capacity.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:04 p.m. CST
I'd blame Ghost Protocol's forgetfulness on the MI franchise and the script
by Quarantine
The key to good direction is rising above a script and that's exactly what Bird did with MI GP. Every action scene was handled about as well as it possibly could be done by just about anybody out there. A good director can deliver the potential of what's in a script. A special director can rise above it. One of the reasons people in the industry are high on Bird is because he seems capable of rising above and overachieving.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:05 p.m. CST
by shran
But if you don't care about any of this then you are obviously not the target audience. Perhaps I am more what the producers would be looking for in a "target audience" (well me and a new generation of kids who were misled into thinking that eps I thru III were their chance at Star Wars). And clearly, judging from the majority opinion here that would like to see at least some reference to the characters that helped to make eps IV thru VI the gigantically popular trilogy it was, it is an opinion shared. To clarify what I was dreaming about I would like to see the original characters used to bridge the gap to new characters. I don't think it's a good idea to toss the characters of Luke, Han and Leia aside and go with new actors and/or characters right from the start. Continuity and familiarity are important in making this idea work. If you don't think that the prospect of seeing Hamill, Fisher, and Ford reprise their roles one more time is basically a license to print geek money then these new movies are not for you.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:07 p.m. CST
RE: Paul WS Anderson made good movies?
by evergreen
Event Horizon and Soldier. Pandorum had its moments. Event Horizon would have been more awesome if conservative moral scolds hadn't thrown a hissy fit.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
To the people criticizing Lindeloff, assume Whedon's unavaiable... who else?
by Quarantine
Honestly, who else jumps out at you? And if nobody else does, are you honestly telling me you'd feel more comfortable with a complete unknown penning it?
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
booger_t only 2 imo
by Kakii
Mortal Kombat - cheesey but a kind of that bad its good kinda film Event Horizon was good, shame he couldnt keep up the quality of that film, it was a really good sci fi horror.
LV, did you know thats its impossible to copyright or trademark numbers? So... if say a massive corporation were to make a movie called 1952 say.. and they wanted this movie to include toy lines and video games and theme park rides... that massive corporation would have no copyright or control over that movies title. Do you think that massive corporation would want to do that? And why dont you try typing www.1952.com into your browser and see what comes up?
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:11 p.m. CST
quarantine, it doesn't have to be a name screenwriter
by Margot Tenenbaum
It doesn't even have to be someone who's worked in the genre. That's the kind of small thinking that would lead to them hiring Lindelof.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
sheeit somehow i missed that he did those movies
by Stephen
i guess there had to be a reason he's working.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
Even if 1952 was legitimately it's own thing so too was the original script for Die Hard with A Vengeance
by Quarantine
The original script for Die Hard with A Vengeance was "Simon Says" set in a different universe with different characters. The basic premise could be maintained with new characters, planets, spaceships, jedi influences introduced. Wouldn't be unheard of.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:16 p.m. CST
Star Wars - Episode VII: Splinter Of The Minds Eye...
by Darkness
Might as well...you can most definitely take the Star Wars saga down the Star Trek route, but with obvious trepidation. i hope George knows what he is doing. Disney has the key.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
Vader WILL be in the next trilogy (read)
by KonkBob
Disney already produced a cutesie video of Vader in the theme parks. There is zero chance the suits at Disney do not include a fan favorite, iconic character. Especially when they are set with the task of recouping $4 billion dollars.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:18 p.m. CST
cobra--kai -- good points
by lv_426
When I type in www.1952.com I get sent to one of those *is this your domain* pages. I did a domain search for 1952.com, and someone has it, so that could be Disney I guess. Of course, if they were going to all this trouble in the first place, they'd probably get the domain name reserved to complete the trick. That is if this is all some Blue Harvest style smokescreen. Your first point about copyrighting or trademarking numbers is what really makes me wonder. Of course, someone will chime in and say that 1952 is still a codename for a movie, just a non-Star Wars related one. Interesting to think about though.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST
The Wachowskis have time. I'm sure they're still some pseudo-philosophers left they haven't ripped off for THE MATRIX.
by The Comrade
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
Vader very well could be back
by Samuel Fulmer
A new Sith shows up wearing a suit similar to Vader's. It's all a way of the Sith to make Luke go WTF? Happens in comics all the time.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
What Episode VII needs is Francis Coppola/Marcia Lucas/Willard Huyck/Gloria Katz/Brian De Palma/John Milius/Steven Spielberg QC process STAR WARS had
by Margot Tenenbaum
Star Wars benefits from peer review
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:22 p.m. CST
1952 is definitely a code name
by Stephen
or a working title. they aint gonna name no "tentpole film" fucking 1952
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:23 p.m. CST
They don't need to get those specific people, of course
by Margot Tenenbaum
peers of whoever ends up making it
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:26 p.m. CST
quarantine -- not just Die Hard with A Vengeance, but also Live Free or Die Hard
by lv_426
LFoDH was based on a Wired article, which initially started as an original script called WW3.com. I believe the Will Smith I, Robot was also based on a different spec script, but then had some of the Asimov robot concepts grafted onto it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
Lucas Force Ghost Directs & Vader does return!
by T
Lucas is one sneaky mofo! He won't be just a consultant. Vader will return in some capacity... Hell, I want the Emperor to return as well. I am glad it's not going to be a Thrawn thing... and despite my love for Dark Empire; I really don't want that either. On an unrelated note; I had thought the Clone Wars animated had gotten quite well, until his offspring started writing the scripts. I haven't seen the new season, but Darth Maul redux was very lame. Not against the re-use of him, just the execution that I saw. Another epi that I watched, the one with Ventress & the train was inexpicably bad... Ventress fighting hand to hand with light sabers at her waiste; ridiculous! Also penned by Miss Lucas!
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:27 p.m. CST
It's David Fincher
by Jak
Variety reports that, while Fincher waits for a draft of the The Girl Who Played with Fire script, Disney has put a three-month hold on the filmmaker... The project hasn't been given the official 'go-ahead' yet, but Disney asked Fincher to hold off on pursuing other projects in the meantime. He isn't returning for "The Girl Who Played with Fire" Fincher is doing Episode 7, but not hired for 8 and 9. Fincher worked on "Return of the Jedi", he already has the roots. -Hollywood Pulse
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
1952, could be Aieb, which could be Beia, Luke's daughter! But this whole thing is really retarded and not news.
by Saen
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
Screw that, here's a theory that'll hold water....
by groorgman
Remember Tron Legacy? Probably not, given the usual crowd here. Anyways remember what they did digitally to Jeff Bridges in the first scene? Made him look young. Guess what? The entire cast of Star Wars is getting a call back and they will all be digitally altered. On top of that the three movies will Age them to their current state of being. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, roll what's left over.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:28 p.m. CST
The other LOST producer
by Dawhiteguy
Is a well known food critic on the TRAVEL channel, right?
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:29 p.m. CST
>>>>'fan-favorite film writer Damon Lindelof'....Wait, WHAT?
by Bricklyne
When did this happen? Which "fans" are these you speak of? And do they know the meaning of the word "favorite"? Seriously thought, Lindelof is monitoring this Talkback as a potential suicide note? Don't tease us Damon.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:31 p.m. CST
If true, this would be amazing
by RongoRongoMu
Lindelof is one of the few who still "gets" this kind of movie. LOST will always be his baby, but he made a wonderful mark on the Alien series, and if he can do the same for Star Wars, maybe we can begin to forget the prequels.
groorgman, yes the uncanny valley Jeff Bridges in TRON LEGACY has gone through my mind too since hearing this news. It is one potential way of bringing back Leia, Luke and Han - but it looked so lame in TRON I pray to god that they dont do it!
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
They just need to watch the Plinket reviews
by evergreen
It's not really that complicated.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:32 p.m. CST
Lindelof is a horrible writer, why isn't Whedon just writing this???
by locater16
Serious question. Between Firefly and The Avengers Joss is the closest thing there is to writing stuff like the original trilogy these days.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:33 p.m. CST
lv_426 - i dont think they have that domain
by Kakii
Its not registered with their usual company, ok that could be to keep it as secret as possible, however they use the same company as the one I work for. So Im doubtful it is theirs, plus why buy a domain for a code name?
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
If Kurtzman, Orci, Lindelof or Abrams come anywhere near this
by kwisatzhaderach
the Salman Rushdie Satanic Verses incident will look like a walk in the park.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:35 p.m. CST
The Jedi with the Jabba Tattoo
by lv_426
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
by groorgman
No doubt it was lame. The technology has progressed....two years now? And after all it didn't stop them from doing it in Tron lol.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
Oh, and Brad Bird! Hell yes! Lindoff keep your hands off!
by T
Whether or not this is debunked, at this time, it seems reasonable. LOST went from a decent time waster with great characters to worste waste of time ever in it's denouement... everytime the LOST commercial comes up on HULU, I blanche! I didn't hate Cowboys & Aliens as much as some, but it was forgettable... especially the Alien parts!!! Prometheus was just a waste of potential, in that, I don't entirely blame Lindeoff either, but still, it carries a stink. Brad Bird made MI4 pretty darn entertaining, and I had waited til DVD to watch it as I am not a big MI fan.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:37 p.m. CST
It's actually a prequel for American Graffiti
by Teddy Artery
Bet on it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
Get Darabont/Fincher/Blomkamp
by kwisatzhaderach
Serious, visionary filmmakers, not fanboy hacks.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
just saw this on a video game site
by Captainhindsite
In a move that will no doubt eventually have an impact on video gaming, Disney purchased Lucasfilm this week for a bajillion-kajillion dollars, enough to run a presidential campaign for three weeks. Already announced is the upcoming film Star Wars: Episode VII and game Lego Angry Birds Star Wars Clubhouse: Goofy and Jar Jar's Excellent Adventure. It's better with Kinect®.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:38 p.m. CST
Forget the sequels...Make it an epic Jedi origin story
by Paul
Epic like LOTR but in the Star Wars universe. Hero is a young man who "discovers" the force through trial and enlightenment a-la Buddha and becomes the first Jedi. Eventually he lead the rise against his sith equivalent. (His friend or brother perhaps who chose the dark side.) Trilogy about the battles between the Jedi (led by their Buddha figure) and the Sith. (led by theirs) Construction of the first light saber, introduction of Yoda as one of the first disciples would be some of the other tie ins.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST
Fincher wouldn't shock me
by Samuel Fulmer
As noted he started out working at Lucasfilm back in the early 80's. Also he recently tried getting a 3-D 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea off the ground with Disney, and it looks like it's on hold for now. Maybe in order to get that made, he does Star Wars?????
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
by kwisatzhaderach
There is no doubt an ancient origins Jedi/Sith film will be made at some point.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:41 p.m. CST
Fincher is a terrrrible choice
by Stephen
so is Nolan. for the same reasons.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
mrsalamander, sorry, don't like that idea at all. Problem with prequels, well among the many problems, was that it focused too much on Jedis. Jedis, lets face it, are pretty lame. They're basically priests. Without the rogue character of Han this became c
by FreeBeer
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
Maybe a co-directing thing
by Samuel Fulmer
Brad Bird directs the action/suspense set pieces and get Frank Darabont to come in and direct the dramatic scenes.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
Damon Lindelof is a fucking KING writer as Lost demonstrates
by A G
It's when he has to hand over his creative control to the morons behind the movies he took on that everything goes to hell. He nailed his episodes in Lost repeatedly for years and pretty much shaped genre TV in the US for a decade. When he is in control of the decision making he is one of the absolute best you could get.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:48 p.m. CST
@ darthvadersbadside ; Trek is still dead, that wasn't Trek.
by T
It was a Star Wars wannebe. I don't care if the audiece licked the screen after it was over... George may have disappointed me with the prequel trilogy, but really, I think he just needed more time to get the rust off; ROTS was quite good in ways that JJ can only dream of. Yes, it was still bad too; George needs someone to balance him. As long as he still breathes, I sincerely doubt he'll NOT have some heavy fingerprints on the 7-9. After that though... ~shrugs~
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:49 p.m. CST
a g
by kwisatzhaderach
No. Everything he has ever written is total gash.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:50 p.m. CST
it is beyond me what people see in Revenge of the Sith
by Stephen
that movie is the worst of the the worst. eps 1 and 2 are even better than that POS
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST
It's never Lindelof's fault.
by Margot Tenenbaum
One thing that qualifies him for writing Star Wars is that his contempt for the audience equals Lucas' Whedon, for all of his cutesy dialog tics, actually delivers the goods with a minimum of stringing things along for no reason.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST
kwisatzhaderach (fuck that name btw) NO
by A G
Lost is easily one of the best television shows ever made even if the final season was mostly terrible. It's insane on a site like this that Lost is now slated so hard when it was worshiped like the 2nd coming for 6 years. Lindelof's episodes on Lost were amazing. I agree that his film work has been poor however and I don't like Cowboys and Aliens and I hate Prometheus. But face it, when he has full creative control he can and does make amazing genre work.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:52 p.m. CST
I always liked the Jedi Knight video game storyline
by animas
where Luke was head of the Jedi Academy and they went around finding Imperial forces. Just because they blew up the Death Star doesn't mean it is over. They have bases all over the galaxy.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:53 p.m. CST
Who stopped him from making the final season of Lost good?
by Margot Tenenbaum
He was the fucking producer of the show.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:54 p.m. CST
Fincher's style is too dark for Ep. 7
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Maybe he'd be a good choice if they're going to do an Empire-type thing for Ep. 8. Ep. 7, however, needs someone who could bring back the fun, adventure, derring do and witty character banter of ANH - and that's Whedon, Bird, or Spielberg.
Nov. 1, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
Basically, imagine the original Star Wars films featured Luke teaming up with a crew of other Jedis, instead of with Han, Leia, Chewy, pretty lame. Jedis are just not relatable
by FreeBeer
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST
chris columbus
by Captainhindsite
Could be good with the whole jedi school Luke as teacher thing
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:02 p.m. CST
=Damon Lindelof is a fucking KING writer=
by evergreen
Hi Damon. Two things i could do without: 1) Major plot points suddenly appearing out of Damon Lindelof's ass. 2) Any further shaping of genre TV by Damon Lindelof.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:06 p.m. CST
I don't have any problem with Lindelof...
by Hugh G Rekshun
I like pretty much everything he's done. LOST is an icon with a style that has now been copied over and over. The problem wasn't the writing (which was fucking great). It was the fact that they wrote themselves into a corner. It's a miracle they kept that show fresh while making all that shit up as they went along...that takes talent. As for Prometheus...the non-ending was on purpose, to set up the next movie (as others have said). Anyone complaining that Lindelof doesn't finish the stories should (at the very least) understand that EP7 will likely have no true ending anyway...since the whole fucking thing will be designed as another trilogy.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST
David Fincher is busy
by SminkyPinky
He's making 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. NEXT.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:08 p.m. CST
This guy has no idea what he's talking about
by therightclique
He doesn't even know that all Star Wars movies are released in May. I'd take everything he says with a grain of salt, at the very best.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
The problem … was the fact that they wrote themselves into a corner. HIRED! This is exactly what we're looking for in the new STAR WARS
by Margot Tenenbaum
You have carte blanche to write whatever you want and then blame us (the producers) for fucking you over when you get criticized. Here's seven figures.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
Luke---Anakin---Emperor---Darth Plagueges(sp?)
by T
Maybe that seed planted in Episode 3 will finally bear some more fruit other than some weak sauce for Anakin's turn... I see a New Republic with a New Jedi Order; attacked from within, an assassin, taking out Jedi's, and without, a rival for the resources of the Galaxy, perhaps a new Sith Empire, perhaps not. Luke, maybe retired, is drawn out by the death of prize pupil, has to train a difficult student to help him unravel the threat to the Galaxy & himself. Return the Force to something that is STRONG in someone without the necessity of that dang midichlorian count. Perhaps, the new student is WEAK in the force but must defeat someone new VADER with Knowledge & Wisdom of the force.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST
There's no reason for Disney to stick to Lucas' weird-ass Memorial Day-ish opening date superstition.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Besides, Disney will want to give the Avengers 2 some breathing room.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST
Chris Columbus did some Disney movies
by animas
he would be good.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST
cobra_kai = retard MI4 = limp dick Brad bird = disney's dildo
by wannabedirector
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST
20,000 Leagues was just recently put on hold by Disney
by Samuel Fulmer
Maybe because they want him to do a new Star wars first???
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:17 p.m. CST
Jedi's were boring because of bad writing and acting. Luke, Yoda weren't boring. The first Jedis wouldn't need to be boring because the religion hasn't been founded yet.
by Paul
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST
Luke heads back to dagobah, finds...
by nametaken
the head of the statue of liberty. it was earth all along.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:24 p.m. CST
He did fine with Hp
by Captainhindsite
I think with the right writing he would at least pull off the first one and then hand off to joss
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:29 p.m. CST
Damon shoots two hour steamy pile of shit....
by groorgman
Sticks a plastic light saber in it as the steam rises.... All you haters still fork up 15 bucks to get the 3D treatment AND buy the large bucket of popcorn with the bladder buster coke on the side. FACT!
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
message from 2015
by Harrison_Snored
It was good! It wasn't as great as Empire Strikes Back, but we all knew that going in. The action was awesome, obviously, and that part where Old Man Luke reveals himself to be a Jedi by force-lifting the Millennium Falcon out of the sand was EPIC! I'll always remember the look on the twins faces as they realize their useless, crazy old uncle, is actually THE Jedi master. My complaints; those damn twins! I knew going in that Disney would have a couple of youthful leads, and I was real happy they cast teenagers instead of straight up children, but they never put them in any real DANGER, like getting squished in a trash compactor. (No, hanging off one of the trees in Dagobah DOESNT count, Luke was somersaulting off those bad boys, and HE never got any formal training either.) I guess they had to play it safe, but I think Finding Nemo had more danger in it than this one. It'll get better as the kids get older, I know. And Luke was pretty whiny back in the day, so it makes sense i s'pose. Overall, it was great to see Star Wars on the screen again. Im real glad they toned down the ridiculous lightsaber fight scenes from the prequels (actually showing your fighters get sweaty and tired is a big plus!) and the sheer joy of seeing the Millennium Falcon back on the screen was worth the $25 ticket price. (Yes I went 3D, had to). P.S. I was going to do the AMC 6 movies in one day event, but then I realized I have them all at home (and I hate the 'restored' versions).
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST
hugh g rekshun
by evergreen
They wrote themselves into a corner because they weren't honest. As a comparison: I just started re-watching B5. Within the first 10 minutes of episode 1, Londo basically tells you how it all ends. You don't realize that until you watch the whole thing. Lindelof is just a greasy pimp who spends more time reading marketing projections than examples of quality fiction.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST
Chris Columbus would be good????? What nincompoop would think that??? What, Jaina and Jacen Solo are going to swing paint cans from ropes and knock stormtroopers on their asses? Please!
by planetran_fan
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:39 p.m. CST
Whedon is the obvious #1 choice but he's out so we have to move on
by Quarantine
Whedon's pretty much every fanboy's #1 pick but he'll be busy with other projects so he seems out.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST
This is also NOT a job for M. Night either.
by planetran_fan
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST
by Captainhindsite
forgot about home alone like him even more now
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:45 p.m. CST
@shran: I get what you're saying, however...
by Kremzeek
Maybe I'm not the "target audience", but these actors are just too old now. It sucks. I wish they weren't, Lucas took WAAAAAAAY too long to continue their story. So, if it *must* be Luke, Han, Leia AGAIN, then they need to recast them with younger actors--as has been suggested here more than once. If I'm to get excited about SW again, it needs to be something worth my while. Lucas really made me HATE SW. I mean, loathe it. I can't stand it anymore. But this Disney acquistion has the hope of moving the franchise forward in a way that doesn't utterly suck. So, for that, I guess I'm am excited. But I'm nowhere near likeing SW as a whole. That day may come again, but I'm going to need to see more evidence Disney is righting the ship. Things are looking up so far though. =)
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST
hey mel gibsteinberg...thanks for being a moron...
by Executor
...with your snarky answer that fails to address the key thing here: the fact that they announced the Lindelof/Bird movie to the trades ages ago. If (as even your scenario asserts) lawyers were huddled around shrouding everything in secrecy, why was this "spec script" released to the trades? Why was it announced in the first place? And wouldn't they just announce it along with everything else? That is my point. If the Lindelof/Bird script were indeed part of the Lucas deal, it would been (a) either announced as such or (b) the original sale would have been shrouded in secrecy. PLUS...now here is the part where you are really a moron...listen carefully: THE SCRIPT WAS FINISHED BEFORE THERE WAS A DEAL FOR LUCASFILM. To answer your earlier question, I am in THIS business, and I am old enough to know how it works, and the fact is that no one is paying ANYONE to write a spec Star Wars script until the deal is done. It doesn't make sense that THREE MONTHS ago they made a deal with Lindelof to write the script in ANTICIPATION of closing a deal with Lucas. So, in closing, kindly shut the fuck up. Moron.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST
Del Torro Please
by Paul
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
Why does STAR WARS 7 have to be a sequel???
by Goose
If they were smart.....they would go OLD REPUBLIC and go all badass on the EXAR KUN Storyline. Only 2 Sith is too limiting...we want all out galactic warfare between jedis and sith...not jedis with clone troopers against a bunch of robots.
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:55 p.m. CST
message from 2017
by Harrison_Snored
Woah! How dark was THIS one! When they announced Fincher to direct everyone (including myself) was pretty happy about it. But man, he took this film into directions I never thought possible in a SW film, adn Im so happy for that. Personally, I liked the higher level of intense danger (read my previous review for thoughts), it helps solidify my connection for the twins (who were much better here, btw), and even though i knew one of the would have to turn to the dark side, it still made my heart hurt when he disappeared into the cave. (And the Vader cameo! Brilliant!) Im so so glad they didn't have anyone getting beheaded though (ala Ep3), hands and arms can be just as dramatic without crossing that 'too dark' line. While I was sad to see Luke fall, it was definitely the great end the Jedi Master deserves. I heard some people complaining that the funeral was too grandiose. Really!? This is Star Wars, and the leader of the Jedi Rebirth just sacrificed himself to save an entire population of helpless creatures, of course its going to be huge. And they had it on that planet because that's what he would have wanted. Im real curious to see what happens with the third. Of course it's going to be brother vs sister, the epic duel, but it beter not take place on a lava planet or I'm gonna be PISSED!
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST
Needs completely new characters - Trying to recreate Luke, Han, Leah is setting themselves up for failure.
by Paul
Nov. 1, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST
Yawwwwwwwnnnnn. Did you say something? Huh?
by grendel69
Star Wars = a dead horse.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST
I'm liking these...
by Jak
message from 2019, please.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:05 p.m. CST
@gooniegoogoo: Don't agree, man. Not what I want
by Kremzeek
I want a SW that focuses on characters again--not how many things we can vomit on the screen. That includes Jedi/Sith. All those "epic battles" are emotionless, soulless, and dissatisfying. Now, I'll admit the whole fight between the Jedi and Darth Maul in EP1 was pretty outstanding. Very well done (one of the only things done well in the prequels). If you're talking about more individual fights like that, then cool. I'm down. But if you're talking about armies of Jedi/Sith... what's the difference between them fighting each other or fighting with or against clones or droids? Everything is just made up in the computer so I don't care. It's just pixels fighting pixels.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
1952 is not Episode VII
by Hercules
Disney hired Lindelof to write 1952 in June 2011. Lindelof completed the 1952 script in March. Disney didn't close the deal to acquire Lucasfilm until this week. Disney is cheap. They're not going to commission a Star Wars script from an expensive writer a year and a half before they close the deal to acquire Lucasfilm.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
That proves nothing, Herc
by Kremzeek
I'm not saying this account *is* EP7, but your logic as to why it's not doesn't make sense to me. I highly doubt Disney decided within the last couple weeks to buy LucasFilm. I'm sure it's been in-the-making for a long while now. Who's to say they weren't planning ahead? It's not like Disney doesn't already have close ties with Lucas himself. So far, I see no evidence to disprove this "theory" of LV's. Again, not saying it's true. But your argument isn't very strong to the contrary.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST
Hercules, I give you Exhibit A and Exhibit B
by Hardboiled Wonderland
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/10/new-star-wars-trilogy/ and http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethebox/2010/05/lost-gets-a-letter-from-george-lucas.html Let the talkback jury decide (god help us!!!)
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher could both work out fine in small cameos,
by hollywoodsummers
Just put them on the master cleanse / cabbage soup diet for a month, a little nip/tuck, a tan and a fresh coat of paint and good to roll for a scene or two. If it's still a little dicy, throw in some jedi hoods and a cheese cloth over the lens. No worries.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:15 p.m. CST
Could the 1952 project be a way of proving to Lucas how Disney would handle SW?
by Margot Tenenbaum
And they satisfied him so the deal went through?
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:16 p.m. CST
I have no problem with unanswered questions, it's the terrible dialogue and character actions/behaviour
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Now, Prometheus might be a Ridley Scott abberation, and Lindelof got caught up in it, but his name attached to Star Wars doesn't fill me with confidence. Not that Star Wars was literature, but the dialogue made sense and the characters acted consistently.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:17 p.m. CST
I think this 1952 = Starwars theory actually has a lot of merit (but not because of the numerology/date of birth nonsense)
by Rebel Scumb
This disney/Lucasfilm deal has obviously been in the works for quite a while Disney also seemed super ready to go with ep 7 8 9 as soon as the deal was inked and the announcement made which means they've already had people working on it to some extent -Lindeloff and Bird both have a relationship with Disney/abc -Lindeloff, whatever people may think of him is well known as a star wars fan -Lucas is a fan of Lost All this talk of 1952 as a multi platform big event multi movie franchise always seemed like it had to have something behind it, though it was never clear what.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST
herc should read that interview with mark hamil
by animas
he said lucas told them last year they were already planning 7,8,9.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST
Unless Disney's rebooting John Carter
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Hey, I wouldn't put it past the film industry these days!
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
by Hercules
did Lucas tell Hamill and Fisher August 2012 or August 2011?
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
Regarding SW and theme rides...
by Kremzeek
Let's not forget that Disney and Lucas have been working very closely the last couple years to revive the Star Tours ride. There were talks of additional SW-related Disney rides when they completed the refit. So, to me, it makes perfect sense that they commissioned someone to write a SW script way before this acquisition was announced. They were already talking with George constantly to make sure the new ride met his approval. So, I think it's highly likely talks for the future of SW started a couple years back. Now, we know for sure there will be more SW-related rides... and LV's theory falls right into that. Again, this may NOT be SW7--and that's fine by me. I'm not rooting for it one way or the other. Just saying there's more "evidence" to support 1952 being a SW-related script than there is against (as of right now, anyway--that could change, of course).
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
My money's on Spielberg directing..
by darthwaz1
Since he's always wanted to, and did some prelim on ROTS
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
I still have faith in Lindelof.
by Still_A_Lostie
The guy write LOST for all those years. Maybe Prometheus was a flop, but everyone has their moments.
herc, explain the short timeframe. To all intents we're into 2013 now and this major tentpole, biggest film of the decade, is due in 2015. Where would you expect the production on EP VII to be at this stage? How also do you explain Mark Hamill's comments that he had lunch with Lucas in August 2011 and was told in confidence that Ep VII was on. ps. and as for Disney being too cheap to commission a writer on a not-quite-done-deal, well they did just spend over $4 billion dollars so perhaps they had a little bit spare?
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST
After all the excitement this week I went back and watched the phantom menace again...
by theblackvegtable
The film is utter garbage. Boring, lifeless, and stupid. Thank fuck some fresh talent is being introduced to make the sequels. No matter who makes these films I don't see how they could possibly be worse then the prequels.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST
If ANY of these directors get announced for Episode 7 I'll be sporting a half wood until opening day
by hollywoodsummers
Brad Bird Guillermo Del Toro Gore Verbinski David Fincher Chris Nolan Alfonso Cuaron Rian Johnson Neill Blomkamp
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST
I still have faith in Lindelof. - Why? What are his strengths?
by Margot Tenenbaum
What does he do that you like? I honestly would like to know what his fan likes about his work.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST
I loved Lost too, still_a_lostie, but it wasn't for the writing. The actors made that show.
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Characters were so inconsistent, behaviour illogical most episodes. It could be the directors as well, but it seemed most of the time characters acted to suit the plot and push plot points, rather than acting like they were real people.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
@hardboiled: Lindelof writes bad dialogue?
by Kremzeek
No he doesn't. His dialogue is, typically great (not always 100%--but who's is?) And you're telling me you'd rather have Lucas write the dialogue? I can't believe that for 1 second. ANYone can write better dialogue than Lucas, so anyone would be an improvement. Lindelof has a weakness or 2 (opening up large questions with no answers...ever), but other than that, his writing is superb. (Again, typically speaking--no one can write 100% greatness all the time.) Now, I'll agree the last season of Lost sucked. The show itself was not too bad, actually. I was intrigued by where it could all go. The problem is, once again in standard Lindelof-style though, he didn't take the story anywhere. And the finale only answered one question: What was going on with these characters throughout S6? It never answered any previous questions from any other season--and for that, it was a HUGE let down. HUGE. But his writing, as far as dialogue and over-all story, is actually pretty fantastic, IMO.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
Please make it a new story and not a sequel
by Paul
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
1952 keeps reminding me of Spielberg's 1941
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
by D.Vader
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:30 p.m. CST
How about Timur Bekmambetov?
by planetran_fan
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:31 p.m. CST
More arms being chopped off, less two headed race commentators
by Paul
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:32 p.m. CST
They'll never let that hack anywhere near Star Wars.
by Volllllume3
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
@margot: Do a search for "kremzeek" on this page and read my first post. I clearly state what I like about Lindelof-and what I dont
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
And lets be honest with ourselves: Lost fucking sucked.
by Volllllume3
The journey my ass.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
I'm putting serious money on Jennifer Lawrence to be one of Leia's kids,
by hollywoodsummers
And Michael Shannon to show up as a badass Sith Mutha Fucka at some point.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
Forget Timur Bekmambetov,
by hollywoodsummers
If they want a ton of slo-mo, bullet time Jedi action they should just hire the Wachoski sisters.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST
@vollume: Lost was fantastic--esp S1-S2: some of the best TV ever made
by Kremzeek
S3 started to spiral downward. Then, they got back on track for S4 and esp. S5. The story was great for S6... until they ruined it all with the AWFUL finale. But to say the entire show "sucked" ... nah. Not even close.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:41 p.m. CST
Even if it is Lindelof, all is not Lost...
by hollywoodsummers
Writers can be fired or re-written all day long. No problem. It's a lot harder to fire a director and studios are nervous to do it because it's bad sign publicly.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST
Luke, Han and Leia need to be the MAIN CHARACTERS
by A G
No matter how you try to introduce the plucky young lead and the quirky female asshole, these three are what people are paying to see. People will relish every scene they are in. The first review will specifically mention that there was not enough of these three. The designs of the sets and ships, clothing, HAIR, etc. needs to be straight from the original trilogy with NO prequel references. How can I put this bluntly: THIS FILM MUST FEEL LIKE IT WAS MADE IN 1992.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
LOST S6--let me reiteriate:
by Kremzeek
The stuff with Locke/Smokemonster was directionless and indeed pretty much sucked. I'll agree there. But the rest of what was going on with the "parallel" versions of each character... that was pretty sweet... until it went absolutely nowhere. Which also sucked. But again, to blanket the entire show as "it sucked"? It had low points, for sure, but it didn't outright suck. But to each their own.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:45 p.m. CST
volllllume3 "Lost sucked" = i so hardcore
by A G
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST
@a g: I love Hamill and Fisher just like the rest who grew up with SW, but I do NOT want them as main chars, sorry
by Kremzeek
I don't want to see old, decrepid Luke and Leia. I just don't. I don't want to see the roles recast either. I'd prefer they move away from the Skywalker story. But I'd rather see the roles recast then have Hamill/Fisher as main characters. Sad, but true. I'm down with the "no prequel" references though. Dear god those movies are TERRIBLE.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:49 p.m. CST
*than* have... sorry, pet peeve
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
Lucas sold before the Obama tax increases hit in 2013...
by Mistahtibbs
...he would have been raped...like childhood raped, financially. mt
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
Ruh roh, another Lost argument
by Hardboiled Wonderland
Kremzeek, I have it on good authority from David Fury that season 1 and 2 of Lost was made up as they went along, and Abrams wanted shit thrown in just to fuck with the audience's head, with no intention of ever explaining any of it. The fuckery was also helped that they didn't think it'd survive past season 1.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
Get off the damn prequel hate- so misguided and fucking tiresome now!
by Dan
Leia and Luke in the movie-yes...Old man Luke is a Jedi Mentor...Leia is the Head of State... Han is no where to be found because Ford is a grumpy prick.... *cue money truck backing up to his door.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST
Before you tubby losers start....
by Dan
Lucas is donating MOST of the sale to charity...
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:53 p.m. CST
Prequels are the biggest dissapointment in cinematic history and terrible films
by A G
To say the least.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:56 p.m. CST
@hardboiled: bah, that can be said of almost any show or film
by Kremzeek
I don't care if they were making it up as they went--as long as it's good. And S1-2 were great. But it was the never getting back to stuff that hurt the show, for sure. And in that respect, making it up as you go doesn't cut it. Look, I'm not saying Lost was perfect--of course it wasn't. But it was a HELL of a lot better than most shows in a lot of respects. But, as you said, this is turning into a Lost debate. Nobody's minds will be changed here. I'm going to continue loving the show overall, and you're not. Totally cool by me. I just think the hyperbole on this site is way out of hand with almost everything.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
zodlovesmaude...not quite...
by Mistahtibbs
he's channeling the funds into philanthropic projects. Stated "I am dedicating the majority of my wealth to improving education." Likely using a trust or organization he'll found and fund. Good luck with that, George. Considering how much money gets shoveled into public education moneypit in the US every year feel free to give your hard-earned cash to people who don't know how to effectively utilize it in the first place. *shakes head sadly and walks away.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:58 p.m. CST
And everty time the "they were making it up as they went along from the beginning" argument comes up
by Margot Tenenbaum
Nobody cares that there wasn't a plan from the very start. The problem is that Lindelof didn't come up with a clever way to wrap up the threads they'd started. This is why the danglers in PROMETHEUS were so troubling to people and why the prospect of a STAR WARS SEQUEL TRILOGY PART I by Lindelof has people losing their minds. It fucking sucks as an audience member to be told that nothing we've been watching in act I & II ultimately means anything and that you're an asshole for wanting it to. This is how the LOST finale retroactively ruins the entirety of LOST. An example of a clever, genius wrap-up is what David Lynch did to the TV pilot MULHOLLAND DR.
Nov. 1, 2012, 5:59 p.m. CST
Without a doubt some of the OG trilogy cast WILL return,
by hollywoodsummers
but not as main characters besides 3P-O and R2. I bet we'll see Fisher as Leia near the beginning as much as we saw Aunt Beru (maybe they'll even kill her off to get things really rolling!). Then we'll get a Hamill/Luke reveal in the 3rd act or last scene of Episode 7 which will get a huge audience cheer and get people pumped for episode 8. Han might show up in 8 unless he's dead already, in which case we'll get a ghost Yoda.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6 p.m. CST
@zod:I'm not "hating" on the prequels. I think theyre awful films. Theres a difference
by Kremzeek
I dont hate on things to be cool or fit in. That's what "hating on" something is. I very seriously and in my heart of hearts think Lucas screwed SW up royally. Those films are just not good on any level--excepting a few moments of greatness, like the QuiGon, Kenobi, Maul saber fight. Truly, as a film lover, I can find no redeeming qualities (over all) to those films. And I will never watch them again. Cool if you can stomach them. But I'm not hating just to be "cool" or whatever. I legitimately think they fail as films--Star Wars or not.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:02 p.m. CST
@herc 2012. See link: http://insidemovies.ew.com/2012/10/31/mark-hamill-star-wars-episode-vii-disney/
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:03 p.m. CST
@herc. I posted the Screen Rant story that debunked this. Since LV's original premise was based upon Screen Rant's original posit, I think that fairly well debunks the whole thing.
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST
ACTUALLY, I bet Harrison would do Episode 7...
by hollywoodsummers
If they killed him off in the first act. He always wanted Han to die in Jedi anyway.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:04 p.m. CST
@margot: We may not entirely agree about Lindelof/Lost, but you're dead on about Mullholland Dr. LOVE than film
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:05 p.m. CST
As a coherent story, Lost sucked
by evergreen
It had some good standalones (I'm looking at you, Constant) but overall it was a narrative mess. Some plot lines went nowhere because of actors leaving without contingencies. Most of them never converged because the writers were confused weed heads making money for the first time. Money is always the problem.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:09 p.m. CST
Lucas-Hamill-Fisher lunch was August 2012
by Hercules
Just got confirmation from Mark Hamill.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST
Fincher is doing 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea?
by grendel69
Now, that is cool news.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
I'll never understand what anyone saw in LOST
by grendel69
Really... I have no idea. Another JJ Abrams suckfest it was.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:16 p.m. CST
The REAL message from 2015
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Hi everyone, this is George Lucas, last survivor of the human race, sending you these messages through the miracle of time travel. Sorry to report, but Episode VII never happened, just as I knew it wouldn't. My cryogenic chamber, buried deep within my indestructible titanium ark (constructed with the billions from my Disney deal), recently awakened me, and I am sad to report that the earth's surface has been destroyed, and the human race wiped out, due to the Mayan prophecy of December 20th, 2012 turning out to be accurate. Seth Rogen laughed at me when I told him it was true, but I knew that I, Emperor George Lucas of Planet Earth, would have the last laugh. That fat, pot smoking bastard! Anyway, since there's no one around to stop me anymore, I can reclaim the rights to Star Wars once again. I kept original negatives of the first six films in my ark for preservation. Now I can make more extreme changes to the OT, to a level never seen before, and make my own sequel trilogy featuring Jar Jar Binks as the lead, which was what I really wanted to do all along! Of course, there's no one to watch them. Don't worry; I've already thought of that. I have cloning technology and samples of my DNA preserved, too, so that I can repopulate the planet with my likeness. Since we will all think alike, there will be no one to bitch about what I do with SW from now on. In fact, all my clones/servants will approve and worship my future decisions. BWAAAAHHHHAAAAHAHHHHHAAA!!! You - the fanboys, Disney, the shareholders, etc. - are all suckers (and you're all going to die in just over a month's time, too!) So long, assholes!!! George Lucas, signing off.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:19 p.m. CST
I've felt a Great disturbance in the Force... its as if millions cried out in joy (Brad Bird), and were suddenly silenced (Lindelof).
by Chapeau
I fear something terrible has happened. Was he our only hope? No there is another..... you damn skippy theres another!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
by Dan
For the misguided hate and stupid fury aimed at the prequels, well, that's all on you…what else can be said, Lucas made those for himself, he answers to no one and either you dig them or you don't. I found plenty to like and did something smart people do; I use the movie measuring stick, the kooky one with gradation scale and guess what- they are NOT the worst things in the history of ever… so learn to calm your emotions and put things in their proper context. There are far, far worse movies out there, I can name 100 that are far worse... watch them before making dumb over-the-top declarative statements from emotional terrorists. It's not the end of the world to be disappointed if that's the case. Just because your parents are divorced doesn't make you special.... Not everything Hobbit related is good and not everything Star Wars related is bad. I rule!
Herc, who ate what?
And get hamill back on the phone and tell him that when he says last summer that means a year ago. What he should have said was this summer, meaning... Um.. This summer. Can't believe I have to teach proper English to a Jedi.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:33 p.m. CST
Are there genuinely still people around who think the prequels are the worst things ever?
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Get a fucking clue - the prequels, flaws and all, are better than about 90% of movies that come out every summer. Whether that speaks to them being underrated, or more to the declining standards of genre entertainment, is up for debate. In any case, there are moments in them than hacks like Jar Jar Abrams could never reach. The fact of the matter is that TPM and Clones were mediocre films with some good moments sprinkled throughout. ROTS was a genuinely GOOD film, better than Jedi, and anyone who appraises the films with objective eyes can see that.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
kremzeek -
by Dan
Good. At least your honest. Totally disagree, but I do appreciate honesty, something these damn talkbacks lack... if they don't believe every lie they read, they make it up themselves. email me sometime, maybe I can convert you.... email@example.com
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:35 p.m. CST
zodlovesmaude - your agonizing butthurt amuses me
by evergreen
Are any of your top 10 favorite films not made by George Lucas?
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
What does Super Shadow have to say about all this??
by 3D-Man
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
Halo 4! Halo 4! Halo 4!
by baldalienprobeinhighheels
Seriously, fuck Star Whores folks. The best Sci-Fi stories are being told through video games these days. Check out this review, NOW! http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/01/halo-4-review
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
Why the fuck is ANYONE even thinking about the prequels????
by hollywoodsummers
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
Can we focus on the REALLY important question?!
by groorgman
Will there be blue milk?
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
Ratner or Anderson?
by grassh0pperunit
Disney is not going to bring in Brett Ratner or Paul W.S. Anderson to run things? I think they're blowing a huge opportunity to have some exceptional talent take point on the relaunch of Star Wars. www.nonipplesonthesuit.com
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
@zod: never said they were the worst movies in existence. That would be more hyperbole. I said I don't enjoy them at all and wont watch them again
by Kremzeek
And my parents have been married for almost 40 years... so uh... whatever, man. I have no problem with you liking the prequels. Go right ahead. Not sure why it bothers you that I don't like them, though.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
And now he gets slammed for donating most of it to charity...
by Dan
Take the man off your shitlist, it's fucking pathetic now... disturbing actually.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
Hahah! Kurtz? HAHHAAAA!
by Dan
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
@zod: Agreed there. Now Lucas is being slammed for trying to do something good with his money? Not cool
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
@zod: My apologies for one thing:
by Kremzeek
I just now saw your post with your email. That was cool of you. Maybe you weren't directing the "your parents are divorced, etc etc" at me. If not, my bad on that one.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST
Who is slamming Lucas for his education thing? No one.
by Margot Tenenbaum
kremzeek & zodlovesmaude are you talking to anyone but yourself?
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST
With all the arguing that goes on in these TBs, I find it funny that...
by Kremzeek
I think most of us would be pretty tight IRL. Most of us like/loathe the same things. We all love film or we wouldn't be here. But yet we argue like a bunch of 5 yr olds. Human nature on the interwebs, I guess.
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
@margot: yeah, there were a few negative posts about it above, unfortunately
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
=most of it to charity=
by evergreen
He's donating a portion. There is no dollar figure cited. The majority quote is from 2010, when he signed the Warren Buffet and Bill Gates Giving Pledge. I would imagine the only people slamming him for that would be Romney supporters.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
So here's some more directors names to throw out there...
by notspock2
Has anyone suggested Matthew Vaughn? He did a great job with First class, Kick Ass and Stardust and I think he could handle do a great job Of course if Disney want to bring respectability back to the saga immediately, they should get Scorsese on the phone, after Hugo, I think he could pull this off with aplomb and the name alone would make the world sit up and take notice. The Aformentioned Brad Bird would be a good choice for director, but Lindelof as a writer would be a terrible, terrible choice. Having said all that, I'd be surprised if Disney hasn't got Joss Whedon locked in room somewhere beating this thing into shape. Everyone knows he'd do a great job on the script and characters, and lets be honest, that's what they absolutely MUST get right. Am finding it hard to believe but I'm actually excited about more Star Wars...
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
@kremzeek. I really think most of the TB back-and-forth is good natured. Sure there's some personal attacks now and then, but most of us are just geeking out. Hell, it's not like political comments on most news sites...
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST
If Damon Lindelof is such a shitty writer ...
by Hercules
why is the great Brad Bird directing one of his scripts?
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST
Holy crap Hamill is far from his Corvette Summer days
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
God this guy looks old now and is making me feel old. Okay, it is plan B folks. Put Episode VII 200 years after ROTJ and make Luke Skywalker either an ancient Jedi Master or even better make him the new Emperor. He won't need much makeup.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
In 1906, Tesla was 50, but DEAD in 1952. What could it mean?
by animatronicmojo
@thenewcastleincident: Where exactly do you get this information for your little "FYI" that "1952" is now called "Tesla?" "2244 Tesla" is an asteroid discovered in 1952 and named for Nikola Tesla"- is that what you meant? <BR> Yes, "1906" has been in development for years, and there is still no start date. Based on the novel/treatments by James Dalessandro- a kind of "Titanic" story about the San Francisco Earthquake. Sounds incredibly ambitious, but WILL IT BE IN Sensurround!?! <BR> So, what the hell is "1952?" We know the following: Brad Bird is directing, it's "sci-fi," oh so tentpolicious, Lindeloff is writing (with EW's Jeff Jensen) and "producing from the ground up." <BR> BUT Vulture also reported on 10/17/12 that... "It will be set largely in the present day.... Our spies tell us that Bird and Lindelof want to recapture the spirit of 1977's Close Encounters of the Third Kind, right down to centering it around a man in his late forties, à la Richard Dreyfuss's Roy Neary." BUT, as they had mistakenly reported earlier, "it is not in fact about an alien encounter." Also... <BR> "While our sources maintain that the film is NOT set in 1952, there is an intriguing backstory to the title. We hear that last spring, when Lindelof had a meeting to discuss the project with Disney's head of production, Sean Bailey, the Disney exec arranged for Lindelof to be given access to one of the studios odder curiosities: a banker's box of files and documents that had been left moldering in Walt Disney's personal development lab, WED Enterprises, which later became the studio's vaunted Imagineering department. The box was originally labeled with the title of the studio's 1965 comedy That Darn Cat!, which had been crossed out and in its place was written "1952." Inside was a random-at-first-glance collection of documents and primary source materials that, when looked at all together, indicated that someone had been working on a project (movie? theme park ride?) about alien contact." OK, whatever- I'd say THAT, my friends, is a red herring. Also... <BR> "We hear that the collaborators are planning an elaborate, very J.J. Abrams–like advanced marketing campaign that will start before filming even begins. The idea is to stage a treasure hunt for intrigued moviegoers that will gradually reveal clues about and build intrigue for the film right up until its release, and which may or may not be related to the contents of the box." Wow! Doesn't that sound JUST FUCKING AGGRAVATING!!! <BR> So, in sum, nobody who can say really knows at all what "1952" is except that it's a "BIG" production, and that there's all manner of horseshit flying around about it with tons more getting loaded into the flying horseshit cannon- which, IMO, does lend some credence to your theory, LV_426.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
Uwe Boll is the Director. He has VII letters in his name
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST
Hercules : We are still scratching our heads on how he got to write Prometheus
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST
I loved Iron Giant and Incredibles, but MI3 was just plain BAD.
by Raptor Jesus
It was a soul-less, uninspired by-the-numbers generic action movie. So I'm hoping the Brad Bird talk doesn't pan out.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST
@Mr hercules, it's called politics. You certainly have heard of that thing before.
by albert comin
Same reason why the great Ridley Scott also made a movie from a shit script by Lindelof. Politics, man, it's all politics.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:14 p.m. CST
by Raptor Jesus
Yeah, I'm seriously wondering about the wisdom of putting Mark in this. Personally I'm sick of the Skywalkers, Chewie, Yoda, the whole bunch. New characters, PLEASE.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:15 p.m. CST
I'm sure producers watched wikis and fan sites pop up like magic around Lindelof's LOST and snapped him up in deals before the show ended with visions of effortless viral marketing and then
by Margot Tenenbaum
the LOST finale happened.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
They should kill Luke, Leia and Han in ep7, pass the torch to younger heros
by Rebel Scumb
thats the pattern created by the previous 2 trilogies, and makes the most sense with the generational aspect the real issue is what to do for bad guys since RotJ really neatly wrapped up all the conflict in a nice little bow
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
@Herc To answer your question, does one have to accuse Lindelof of being "shitty" or can we simply point to disappointing films like Prometheus and Cowboys and simply say we have doubts that he has the "right stuff" to take over a huge franchise?
by AlienFanatic
I have never said Lindelof sucks, but I disliked both of his films so far. If he wrote something excellent, which would be great, why NOT have Bird direct? I'm all for 1952 being a great film, but I'm not convinced that this will be Star Wars and even if it were I think it's okay to be cautious even if Bird's an enthusiastic supporter.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST
christ, what a shitstorm
by Larry_Sanders
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST
=why is the great Brad Bird directing one of his scripts? =
by evergreen
Damon Lindelof always makes money for his friends. What script?
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST
by _Lizarkeo
For no specific reason ;-) Lost was an amazing team effort, we followed the characters first, the plot second, after a while. Damon was in great company (Carlton Cuse specially). About people worried about Mark and Carrie being too "out of shape", my lord, Avatar is already an old movie. Performance capture, jolly good people. People insulting The Bird makes me sad. The Iron Giant was one of the best movies from the last century. They. Must. See. It. Too bad Michael Kamen is dead. But Johnny still lives. Long live JW. SW without him wouldn't be the same. Cheers. Ah, almost forgetting: SW 7: The Bird SW 8: Iron Jim SW 9: Uncle Morty
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
raptor_jesus, get your facts straight. MI3 was directed by JJ Abrams . Brad Bird directed MI4.
by drompter
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:28 p.m. CST
we followed the characters first, the plot second == LIES this is spin.
by Margot Tenenbaum
Everyone talked about the fucking plot to the exclusion of anything else. Do you know anyone who was deeply involved with Jack's off-isalnd divorce story outside of how it might affect the island plot line? If you do, I have to ask one thing because I have been curious about this for years: what flavors of donuts did they serve in the lunch room at ABC?
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
Also, BradBird is known to be an excelent savior of bad/incomplete scripts, like how it happen with Ratatouille,due to Bird being a rather very good writer himself.
by albert comin
You get Brad Bird as director, you also get a script doctor in the same package. And as anybody who ever had to suffer from some movie/TV show writen by Lindelof knows, a script doctor to correct Lindelof's scripting fuck ups is imperative.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:35 p.m. CST
margot_tenenbaum - Bai Ling really tied the room together
by evergreen
And those were jelly donuts.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:37 p.m. CST
Maybe Andrew Stanton would also be a good choice
by Kakii
Hes done some good movies and a lot of people may not have appreciated it but JC was brilliant, he would seem like another good choice with the right material.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:38 p.m. CST
Episode VII should start off with a huge battle
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
that kicks off an invasion of the New Republic. No ship boarding scene or some Jedi in a conference room. Something that really kicks everyone in the balls and says this is Star Wars Good Vs Evil.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
Lets for a moment, go with this online craze that Lindelof was soley responsible for Prometheus... Was the writing/story as bad as some of you geeks make it out to be? absolutley not. Just because a films central characters ask big questions and never get the answers by the end of the film, doesn't mean the film is bad. A film doesn't always have to have the answers straight out --- look at the great John Carpenter; the majority of his films are shrouded with mystery, even by the end. Hell, if it wasn't for a contract and an eager producer attempting to cash in on the success of 'Halloween', we never would have known why Michael "The Shape" Myers targeting Laurie Strode, Annie Brackett and etc, and that would have been fine. To relate to the topic, the original Star Wars films were also centered on mystery and an ongoing quest for truth; Luke's personal quest through out the trilogy meant tackeling lies, conspiracies, cover ups in which he gained peices of information slowly until the end of the 2nd act of Return of the Jedi. There's nothing wrong with a film maintaing it's sense of mystery. Sure, today's audiences want...or more or less, NEED to know everything right away, but there's no way in hell that Prometheus is even close to being concidered a bad movie or an example of bad writing. Ironically, for all the people trashing Lindelof and praising Whedon, Lindelof's script for Prometheus was smarter, far more complelling and a better Alien film then Whedon's hammy, un-interesting, mentally challenged script for Alien: Resurrection. Fact.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
@obiwanna, Not sure a HUGE battle is needed but definitely a BANG, then build things up slowly for a bit but,
by hollywoodsummers
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
by hollywoodsummers
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
I second that obiwanna--make it Mandalorians
by paladinryan
I want to see some Mandalorians fuck up some Jedi. And yes, resurrect Boba Fett.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:45 p.m. CST
Matthew Vaughn cant do it as it clashes with him pulling out of his next 2 projects
by Kakii
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST
all of you fuckballs would be lucky to have Lindelof write this.
by Boborci
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:49 p.m. CST
Lindelof is probably too busy!
by Boborci
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST
On another note, it will be wild to see...
by NoHubris
...which director says no because of better offers to do other projects.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
Why would us fuckballs be lucky to have Lindelof write Star Wars. What specifically would Damon bring to Star Wars?
by Margot Tenenbaum
Please show your work.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
I hope Lindelof DOES end up writing Star Wars 7...
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
At least that will make on film in Summer 2015 that actually ATTEMPTS to tell a story.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:57 p.m. CST
=Lindelof's script for Prometheus was smarter...then[sic] Alien: Resurrection==
by evergreen
The main problem with Prometheus is the breakdown into archetypes doing stupid things on cue like any generic slasher. Alien: Resurrection's problems had more to do with a French director being unfamiliar with the Alien oeuvre. I wouldn't fault the script. Either one is still better than Phantom Menace.
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:58 p.m. CST
Amen, overrated. Anyone who thought Prometheus "sucked" needs to go back and watch A:R. Theres NO WAY ppl would rather have that again
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 7:59 p.m. CST
Hey boborci! My nemesis! I know I always slam your writing, but I dig Lindelof's if that makes you feel better. =)
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 8 p.m. CST
And that wasn't sarcasm, btw. I really do like Lindelof's writing. He just needs to reel in the unanswered questions and he'd be golden
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST
Oops, I guess you were quoting someone else, overrated. But still, A:R or Prometheus? Hmm... gee, I wonder which one is the better film...
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST
Prometheus is a good movie due to Ridley'
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST
I just watched Prometheus again last night and every character besides David,
by hollywoodsummers
did and said the most stupid things in just about every scene. Interesting (unoriginal) ideas, cool design, SHIT SCRIPT. And I wanted SO bad to love that film.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST
s skills as a Director not the writing
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST
They have equally terrible stories but PROMETHEUS looks fantastic and Elizabeth Shaw is a more interesting character than anyone in ALIEN RESURRECTION.
by Margot Tenenbaum
That being said, THE AVENGERS is 20 times the film PROMETHEUS is.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST
Is Harry waiting...
by KonkBob
For his hands to heal from whacking off over this to pen his thoughts on the matter?
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST
Alien Resurrection is worse than Phantom Menace, but Whedon's original script was far better than Prometheus
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Having read it back in 1996, I was able to visualize the film and what it could have been, unlike people who probably read it after the fact and can't get the shitty existing film out of their heads. If it had been adapted to the screen as written, instead of being diluted by Jeunet's bizarre choices, it would have put the series back on track. In any case, Whedon's script was entertaining as hell, if not exactly cerebral, which is more than can be said about Lindelof's obtuse garbage which failed on both counts. It's a pity Whedon wasn't a director back then, because The Avenegers proves he can translate his material to the screen as it was intended, and with aplomb.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST
If we are basing the write on Alien movies then James Cameron and his Aliens writing team should do VII
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
There are more memorable lines from that single movie than Episodes I-III combined.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST
Harry had a heart attack
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST
I loved Prometheus and don't apologize for it. It's biggest problem is...
by Kremzeek
Per Lindelof himself, they had to "make a story that stood on it's own". Well, that didn't happen. I'm all for making the audience interpret things in different ways, but that "mysteriousness" can only go so far. Now, that a sequel is happening, I think Prometheus is going to find lots of love in a couple years (as long as they don't keep stringing people along, of course). Lindelo's biggest fault as a writer--as I've said repeatedly--is he needs to learn how to answer questions he poses. Leave some unanswered, sure, but not nearly everything--which is what he tends to do. Other than that though, the film's story is fine. The acting is superb. The direction is, well... its Ridley. Not much more to say there. As far as people doing "stupid things". I've heard that a lot about Prometheus. One example people love to bring up is the geologist reaching for the obviously dubious cobra creature. My answer to that: Tell me a single "horror" flick where people don't do things you wouldn't do--those moments where in your head you're thinking "don't do that!!!" It's part of the experience of these types of films. I think a lot of us have forgotten that. But I digress. Those who hate the film will continue to hate it, and the opposite is likely true too. I'll take Prometheus over A:R any day of the week without blinking.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST
Harry Knowles is done...
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
If news of a Star Wars prequel trilogy cannot get him back in the fold, then it's clear he has no place on his own site anymore. Like Lucas, he should just sell this site to the highest bidder.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:14 p.m. CST
sequel trilogy, not prequel
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
It was 1994 all over again, for a minute there.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:18 p.m. CST
I'd hope that NO CURRENTLY BIG TIME WRITER is given this....
by conspiracy
This is basically a revival of Star Wars...almost a reboot. I don't want to be confronted by Hollywoods "Hot" writers stylings....I don't want to sit there and look for things I know these guys always throw in, or hear the same voices I've heard a half dozen times now. All writers do this...we see it in their films...characters that are different, yet those traces of familiarity are there. A Fingerprint if you will. In my opinion, if this renewal of Star Wars is to work...it will need a TOP NOTCH proven director....and a Fresh voice, or perhaps a voice not heard in awhile, writing the screenplay.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST
I'm laughing....
by DANGER_DIABOLIK_
...my arse off so so much.. .......... 'ag'.....fremgen'.....'cactus228'....'kremzeek'.......'guntermatey'....'margot tenenbaum'...... ....and I had literally NO idea that Damon Lindelof had so many user names/accounts on the AICN website...wow!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST
@kremzeek First off it was the biologist, not geologist
by hollywoodsummers
that reached for the alien penis snake. Secondly, it wasn't just "don't do that!!", it's "why are they doing ANYTHING they are doing and why do I not care about any of these people who talk like fucking morons when they're supposed be scientists?" But I agree that Prometheus is better than every Alien film except the first two... and maybe a few parts of the 3rd but that's debatable.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST
re - KREMZEEK
by DANGER_DIABOLIK_
...Jesus Christ, dude...EVEN any Uwe Boll directed film is better than Alien Vs Pred Requiem.....just 'cos 'Prometheus' is, doesn't make it good.....(???!!!)
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST
Sorry, got the term wrong. I guess. The one guy didn't want to be there and the other was smoking pot in his suit. Makes for a bad combo
by Kremzeek
But that's cool. That bothered you, and not me. And I'm sure the opposite is true on a bunch of other films, etc. Cool cool.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:22 p.m. CST
@ Overrated.
by FuckOffChristopherNolanNutHuggers
I want to start off by saying that I am not trashing your opinion here, and I am glad we can discuss this peacefully. I disagree with some of what you've written, but everything I say from this point on is in respect. Please do not feel otherwise.... and so... I disagree. Two characters did the generic slasher thing by bailing out and taking a wrong turn. It's not really a bad thing since 'Alien' was a horror film that featured characters doing "stupid things" by today's standards. Why blame the director of Alien: Resurrection for a hammy script? It's not like Whedon's screenplay even tried to tell a coherent, interesting story. Is it not funny that people will now blame the Director for Alien 4, instead of the writer, and blame the writer and not the director for Prometheus? Prometheus was trying to make something useful of the material, same can not be said for Alien: Resurrection. Whedon gets big props from geeks for Avengers and Cabin in the Woods (both of which I do love, btw) but it's not like he's delievering well written stories for Alien and Avengers. The final product for Prometheus tried a helluva lot more for actual story then anything Whedon has done in his career.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST
Get the writers of Uncharted games to script
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Those games had better characters and dialogue than most movies.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:23 p.m. CST
And the A3: Assembly Cut (Blu version) is pretty great, IMO. Not on the level of the first 2, but good nonetheless
by Kremzeek
Thats where the series ends for me. Starts with Prometheus. Ends with A:3 Assembly. I ignore all other Alien-related films.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST
and yes, Resurrection also....but NOT better than the first 3 Alien films...
by DANGER_DIABOLIK_
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST
Awww, it's so cute how boborci defends Lindelof
by Just_Some_Guy
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
And I'm not Slamming or pointing fingers at anyone ^
by conspiracy
I just honestly feel that is this is to work, if Disney and LucasFilm are to advance this beloved, decades old franchise into a new era...that the coming film should strive to be as wonderfully fresh and innovative as the films me and my parents lined up for hours to see as a little kid.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
boborci, there's nothing wrong with being a fuck-hole, just admit it
by Just_Some_Guy
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
Nah, danger. I legitimately like Prometheus. I think its sad that fanboydom cant get behind it and just enjoy it
by Kremzeek
I'm not counting as "good" because I'm excluding other films. I loved it. You didn't. No worries.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST
Nice to see everyone convinced
by trumovielover
that these 2 are the ones doing episode VII. Remember this is just a THEORY. Fuck I feel sorry for who does get brought in to direct or write it. Haters are gonna bash them no matter what. Be patient people. There's still 2 1/2 yrs.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST
Gonna give the Bird to Lucas
by Mark
Is it too much to hope for a Blu-Ray where Han shoots first and everything was put back as it was and things are just cleaned up and a couple dozen x-wings are added and the effects shots are cleaned up. Is that really too much to ask. I would pay MORE money for that copy than all of the other @#$ out there. Lucas had too much free time with the force and needs to move on. I am glad he let go of the reigns, and let other's let the legacy live on.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
Hey boborci
by evergreen
Is it true you guys are told repeatedly to keep your pitches limited to a fifth-grade level of comprehension?
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
So, is a fuckball like an amazeball? Lindel-ball?
by Just_Some_Guy
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST
Let us also not forget
by trumovielover
Lucas gave most of the 4 billion away to charity.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:28 p.m. CST
@kremzeek my own personal GO-TO's for Prometheus are...
by jazzdownunder
The suddenly breathable atmosphere at the end of the movie. The idiot Engineer who comes after Shaw instead of just shrugging off her pathetic attempt to stop his plan and climbing into one of his other ships JUST LIKE SHAW DOES The "Foreign Object Removal" abdominal surgery on a machine that is only programmed for male procedures but which when given this ludicrously vague program doesn't do a hysterectomy(*) but instead performs a caesarian. The 2000 year old decapitated head that is still fresh and juicy and ripe for reanimation. The carefully selected biologist/surgeon who steps aside and lets an ANTHROPOLOGIST direct medical/biological proceedings. The complete failure to explain why the Space Jockey's were running *IN* to a room that contained their nemesis, or where the ones that made it into that room went to (without bothering to clear up their decapitated friend). The complete lack of any apparent reason for David to be pursuing a secretive agenda, other than the fact that, well, shit, that's what the synthetics do in this franchise, right ? And those are just the go-to's. (*) my guess is that the reason many people don't guffaw out loud at this point is that they are males with such a tenuous grasp on the differences between themselves and the opposite sex that it just goes right over their heads. I feel sorry for them for the day when their mum eventually makes them vacate the basement and get a girlfriend and they finally realise just how dumb this beloved movie of their's really was.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
When you already have a little over $2 Billion to your name...
by conspiracy
...makes it really easy to give away the other $4B. Not saying it isn't a wonderful gesture, and I applaud his philanthropy...it shows he isn't as all out evil and twisted as I always imagined him. Pity...he was more interesting and fun to write about that way.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST
@kremzeek Don't attribute that many of us disliked Prometheus due to "fandom"
by AlienFanatic
As my name indicates, I'm a HUGE fan of the original Alien. I walked out of Prometheus disappointed because what I saw on screen was simply not an enjoyable film. I didn't have any particular wish list of things I wanted Prometheus to be, so I think I was fairly open-minded and hopeful that Ridley Scott would surprise me. In the end, I don't think the ideas were all that "big," so I don't think the concepts were beyond me. I remember a Star Trek TNG episode that posited that Humans, Romulans, and Klingons were all seeded on our worlds by an ancient alien civilization, so it really wasn't exploring new territory for me. But I didn't like any of the characters. I have always hated Theron, anyway, so her inclusion was off-putting. But so many of the characters were not only loathsome (like Fifield), they were ugly in ways that I found difficult to believe even before all of the dissection was done by sites like Red Letter and AICN. There are those of us that do try to approach a film on its merits. At the same time, I think there are a lot of people that want to give Prometheus a pass because it was directed by the Almighty Scott. I actually lay this at Lindelof's feet because I'm convinced that Scott is never better than the material that's on the page. He's only a great director when he's given great material. He's an INCREDIBLE visualist, but he's terrible with actors and even worse at script doctoring. So in the end, that's why I disliked Prometheus, why I have doubts about Lindelof, and why I get kind of pissed off when people dismiss folks like me by accusing us of fanboy-ism.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST
Harold Ramis For Screenwriter
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Togas, gophers,ghosts, and a lean mean fighting machine.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
The only thing about this that seems plausible is the timeline.
by Cotton_Mcknight
The first time I heard this story, the thing that shocked me the most is that the movie is coming out in 2015. Every single Star Wars movie has come out 3 years apart. There are 2 explanations for this: 1) Groundwork has already been set- far more than we have been led to believe 2) They are rushing this movie, like "Wolverine", "X3" and any number of other movies that have been colossal disappointments. I really am afraid that it's number 2, but I tend to believe that they are farther along than they are admitting. This movie will define the Star Wars relationship with Disney- they better get it right, or the whole product could be tainted from here on out. People will dismiss the movies as not being "real Star Wars". Why take the risk? Maybe I am talking myself into thinking that the powers that be want this to be good. Who knows.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
@jazz, yeah I can see why people would have problems with some of that, but...
by Kremzeek
I don't think there is a film in existence that is 100% perfect. There are those that come close (Godfather 1 & 2, Blade Runner: Final Cut, SW: Empire Strikes Back, etc), but there are none that are 100% perfection. Most films have a quite a few WTF moments, if we were to sit and dissect them all. Some of them are more easily recognizable than others. Furthering that idea, we're all going to react to those levels of "obvious flaws" differently depending on our personalities and perceptions. As I said before, some things will really bother people in one film--and they wont for me. And then the opposite is also true for other films. So, you can say I don't understand the female gender and that I live in the my parents' basement all you like. None of that is true (well, do any of us *really* understand those crazy females!!? Haha). I like what I like. And you like what you like. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
@obiwanna Didn't we already get gophers in a Lucasfilm movie?
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
Lawrence Kasdan For Screenwriter
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
ESB? Raiders? ROTJ? Silverado?
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
by giger167
I don't actually believe the 1952 is Star Wars theory as the timeline seems wrong, but Lindelof has nothing to prove as a writer. I still honestly think Lost is one of the top five series ever and I loved Prometheus. I'm looking forward to 1952 on its own merits, think it will be a great new genre film.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
@alienfanatic. Maybe but we need pot smoking gophers
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST
@alienfanatic: I didn't realize I had done that. It certainly was not my intention at all.
by Kremzeek
I wasn't implying (anywhere--I don't think) that those who disliked Prometheus were "not smart enough". I had just the opposite reaction--which further illustrates my previous post. I was sucked into the film from the get-go and never lost interest until the credits were rolling. If you couldn't get into it--there may not be an explananion, and there doesn't have to be. That's totally cool by me. We all like and dislike what we do. If we all liked the same stuff, this world would truly be boring. Again, no disrepect to anyone intended.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:42 p.m. CST
"Just the opposite reaction" than you did, alienfanatic. Thats what I meant to say
by Kremzeek
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST
Prometheus is excellent!
by Dan
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
Sorry but if Alien, Aliens or Prometheus is on cable
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
I will watch the first two or go in the bathroom and cut my toe nails.
Nov. 1, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST
Speaking of Ridley
by NoHubris
Why not Ridley for Star Wars 7?
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST
EW reporting people in Hollywood think Dave Filoni will direct it
by Bladerunner751
Filoni is the supervising director of the Clone Wars show on Cartoon Network and is a hardcore Star Wars fan. He's got a bunch of Plo Koon statues all over his office at Skywalker Ranch.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:09 p.m. CST
Kingdom of Heaven in the Star Wars universe
by NoHubris
would likely be Ridley's take on Star Wars 7.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST
@danger_diabolik_ Yep. I'm Lindelof. I've done nothing but talk him…me... up this whole thread.
by Margot Tenenbaum
But if I actually was Lindelof, I would never admit it because the mystery box of my identity is more interesting than the actual answer. So by admitting that I am him, I'm really confirming that I'm not.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST
by evergreen
Alien had space truckers dealing with a first contact situation. It was to be expected that not all of their decisions would be prudent. The crew on Prometheus were professionals chosen for specific reasons by a very wealthy man. It just seemed contrived that they served the plot by being idiots. That said, I'm looking forward to a sequel with (hopefully) a different writer. As for Alien:Resurrection, you may be right that I am being overly generous as far as the script goes. I still find it to be a charming attempt.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:17 p.m. CST
Dave Filoni
by Darth Maui
I could see him doing it. He's pretty chill but talented and respects both trilogies and the SW galaxy as a whole.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:22 p.m. CST
Symbolism from Prometheus I discerned on 2nd viewing
by iluvsyfy
1) 17 crew members, 17 is last and the 7th of the prime numbers..... 2) 7 = 7 deadly sins, all those that died had one or more of the seven sins..... a) BTW, the geologist and biologist were getting it on, when they left together and the film cut back to them, I noticed they were adjusting their outfits (hinting their cloths had been off)..... Lust...Greed...Envy...Wrath...Sloth...Gluttony...Pride (was the Engineer's sin)..... 3) The Engineer at the end used a flute to activate his ship, Lucifer is the Pied Piper..... 4) His research facility was destroyed 2000 years ago, when Jesus was crucified..... 5) These Engineers were separated from the rest of their brethren (cast out)..... 6) Noomi had abandoned her previous faith embracing science, then found her faith again (placing the Cross back on)..... Also.... The juvenile alien at the end was the Queen from Aliens (notice the body, hands, features)..... The planet was the same, if you noticed the rock formations, the damage on the Engineers ship was identical to Alien...The planet had been off limits, therefore the computer in Alien had a been altered to use another code, otherwise the crew would have known not to land there. Weyland corp used the Engineers terra-forming facility as the foundation for their operation in Aliens. Therefore my opinion and rating for Prometheus has jumped from 3 to 4/5 stars.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:23 p.m. CST
nohubris...Sir Ridley certainly would make it Beautiful...
by conspiracy
...but I do question his judgement concerning story after Prometheus...which was stunningly beautiful, and yet horrible in so many ways...as people have very professionally pointed out above. Also...I don't think Rids knows how to make an optimistic or happy film....and though Star Wars in it's original guise, at times was dark, heavy, and wonderfully mysterious...it remains overall a FUN, happy, and optimistic experience. Can you really see Ridley Scott giving direction to a guy playing a prissy robot? Me either...
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
Here is a BURNING question.....
by conspiracy
will "I have a bad feeling about this" make it's expected appearance? lol
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
Filoni dropped some hints on twitter and facebook
by Bladerunner751
about having a major meeting with "The Master" on Monday.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:31 p.m. CST
Do a Jedi/Sith Origins flick
by Paul
Include more mythology/religion good/vs evil. Make the hero the first Jedi who discovers the force and how to harness it. Plenty of internal and external conflict. In summary - Star Wars meets LOTR meets Spartacus meets Batman Begins meets the Matrix.
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:45 p.m. CST
Oh, for Cryin' Out Loud...
by Travis_Crabtree
Everybody and their brother knows the director of the next trilogy is going to be Super Shadow!!!! Wow... now that's a name I haven't heard in a loooooong time.... thankfully...
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:50 p.m. CST
the new films will be based on original treatments written by George Lucas.
by ShoreGrey
- This is not necessarily a bad thing...GL has great ideas, he just lacks true structure and sucks at implementing them...
Nov. 1, 2012, 9:56 p.m. CST
And to you nerds still going on about Han and Greedo
by ShoreGrey
Get a fucking life. It does absolutely nothing to the character or the story. There is more to life than Han Solo.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
shoregrey...Agreed. George has a great imagination..
by conspiracy
and zero understanding of how real people interact, develop relationships, or speak. I take that back...he did ok on American Graffiti and Star Wars (a New Hope)...after that...he forgot how human beings behave.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:07 p.m. CST
No Lindelof. No Orci. No Kurtzman.
by Jobacca
You think we were pissed about the prequels? Put the fate of Star Wars into the hands of one of these hacks AND WE WILL BURN DISNEY TO THE GROUND!!!!!!!
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST
by goatherdingclownhunter
Just you wait................more Gungans, more idiotic nonsense, more stupidity at an epic level. YIPPY KI YAY.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:19 p.m. CST
Lindeloff seen at Lucasfilm with assistant pic
by johnnyg korrupt
http://comicbook.com/blog/2012/11/01/star-wars-rumor-watch-lindelof-spotted-at-lucasfilm/ Anyone that has a manbag satchel doesn't deserve to work on star wars
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:21 p.m. CST
Francis Ford Coppola
by Paul
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:24 p.m. CST
If mark hamill worked out and got in shape he'd be fine.
by Charlie
he's just a bit too pudgy. If he lost that there'd be nothing wrong with him. Carrie is a lost cause. I still don't quite understand why Harrison Ford wouldn't do it. He'd literally get a massive boatload of money.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST
How could any Star Wars fan not...
by HughHoyland
Want to see Hamill, Fisher and Ford in Episode VII no matter how old they are? Go back and watch Episodes 4,5,6 and then say you don't. Come on they have to be in it.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:39 p.m. CST
johnnyg korrupt...Best part of being at the top in Hollywood? Hiring totally Fuckable Employee's
by conspiracy
His writing skills may debatable on these boards...but not many would question that the man has an eye for picking PA's.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST
More Alan Horn Details
by michael
Oddly, I have a minor bit of insight into him. My family recently sold the rights to our lives to Warners and Alan was lined up to produce our movie, so we got to go out there and spend some time with him. I can not underestimate how GENUINE this guy is and how much he TOTALLY GETS the industry from every angle. Got to have tons of cool little anecdotes from him, including why Reiner did not make Shawshank with Tom Cruise in the Robbins role and more. My favorite was about his daughter, Cody. Can't go into massive details, but you may have seen her in Magic Mike this past year. I will FOREVER see JOHN CARTER different than everyone else. When we saw it in the theater, I thought it was like a 7. But, later, that movie basically cost Disney / Marvel / Pixar their man in charge because of the debacle and they made Alan a "godfather" offer to unretire to take their job. John Carter basically cost me our producer.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
Wow...just wow.
by cowsaysmoo
In the last 24 hours, George Lucas sells his company to Disney, and it's announced that Episode 7 will be hitting theatres is 2015. Geek sites all over the web are tripping over themselves to get the scoop on what the next trilogy will be about. I never thought we would see another Star Wars feature film. I thought Lucas would have to die before that happened. No matter what we thought of the prequels, you have to agree that this is an amazing development, and you have to hand it to George Lucas for letting go of his legacy like this. A friend of mine commented that it "just won't seem like Star Wars without Lucas's point of view, as disastrous as that proved to be." He might be right, but you at least have to give the man credit for finally realizing that Star Wars doesn't belong to him any more. What a story! The next 3 years are going to be insane! We'll probably all be disappointed by the time the new films come out, but so what? There's some new motherfuckin' Star Wars flicks coming out and my 8 year old self just pissed my pants! Oh and Mark Hamill will most definitely be in the new movie. Carrie Fisher 50/50. Harrison Ford? No chance.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST
mpbarnet...With Horn and Kennedy at the wheel...
by conspiracy
...I have confidence this will turn out well for all involved. Disney could not ask for two more knowledgeable, skilled, and respected executives. These folks pretty much define Professional.
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:49 p.m. CST
BRAD BIRD = DISNEYS DILDO Promethes *SCRIPT ONLY* = DONKEY SHIT
by wannabedirector
you guys are seriously fukin stupid if you can make sense out of the prometheus script, GTFOH.......HERCULES - out of everything you could have said, that was your best fuking point!!!!! LMFAO you idiot.....
Nov. 1, 2012, 10:59 p.m. CST
Exactly! The script writer needs to study the Plinkett reviews...
by cozy
Take to heart half of those comments and the new films will be classics.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
Edgar Wright to script and direct
by FreeBeer
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
Where the fuck is our....
by Dawhiteguy
Quinlan Vos HBO series?!
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
by NoHubris
I see Prometheus' flaws more as script issues than Sir Ridley's POV. Regarding his take on humor, his lighthearted moments, where they exist in the story, usually work well such as the gladiator who humorously faked his death after tasting Maximus' food in GLADIATOR or the irony used in KOH like Balian getting slapped by Liam Neeson to remember his Knight's oath, Balian slapping the young soldier in kind so that he remembers his oath, or when faced with death at the hands of Saladin's warriors, the priest shouts "convert...Repent later!"
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST
nohubris..Oh, I agree..the script was the problem with Prometheus...
by conspiracy
...but Ridley signed off on it, the buck stops with him on that project, as he had 100% control. I'd really love to know what parts of Prometheus were Lindelof...and what was used from the original script. So many inconsistencies, so many purely idiotic moments in what was most certainly a beautiful film. I just can't understand why some of that crap made it through the first draft..let alone into the final film.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST
The BLUE HARVEST branding was used to keep fans disinterested, and service fees down, for the location shoots in Arizona and California, NOT the development process of ROTJ.
by justmyluck
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
message from 2019
by Harrison_Snored
Best Star Wars yet!!! I thought with the new Star Wars World opening at Disneyland, and news that Peter Jackson would direct the prequels remake, everyone would be burned out on Star Wars! I should know better by now, because it's obvious Star Wars is never going to get tired. A lot of people are upset about the Tattooine opening, but not me. Its an important part of the story, and I think Kosinski is a big enough fan to know that. And as much as I personally hated the podrace, seeing that empty, dilapidated stadium was AWESOME! As was the Bantha stampede scene. You always see people using the force during fights, but it was clever to show that it has influence over animals as well. Billy Dee Williams was a nice cameo, didn't see that one coming. And even though he's barely understandable at his age, I get that Lando would be some kind of politician. I'll admit I was expecting him to betray Jun Solo the way he did her old man, thankfully i was wrong. (And thank you SO MUCH for the updated Lobot! My inner geek really dug it) Ok, the bounty hunters fight; It would make sense for all of them to turn on each other, I don't think he had to use the force to trick them at all. A bunch of greedy scoundrels come face to face with the biggest pay day in the universe and what? You expect them to work together? No. Plus, he's a Jedi now, and Jedi would understand the art of fighting without fighting. So it makes sense that he would let them wipe each other out. No one in their right mind would attack them all at once. Although I didn't love the design of the 'new' falcon, I understand the old one had to go sometime. I mean, the thing was already in bad shape the first time we see it in episode 4, the fact that it survived all these years is a testament to Corellian technology. And speaking of Corellia... HOLYSHITBALLSWHATANAWESOMECHASESCENE!!! The speeder bikes on Endor was one of my favorite SW moments, but the Speeder bike chase on Corellia definitely takes the cake. If you don't see this in 3D you're wasting time, because it will take you damn breath away. Every time Im on the freeway now I'm going to be looking over my shoulder for that big syringe looking thing, I forgot what it was called but it was awesome. I already knew the emperor was cloned because a stupid friend spoiled it for me, but he didn't mention the Sith temple, and my GOD how long have we waited to see that! I like that it was in the snow too, made a nice contrast to the Mustafar planet from Ep3. I won't go into too much spoilers here, in case you haven't seen it. But the fight between the twins was everything the word 'Epic' implies. People compare it to the Maul fight (for the double sabers, obviously) but I think it was more like the Bespin fight from Ep 5. The tension, the music, the life and death stakes. It was all so tense I didnt realize how hard I was clenching my fists til they got outside to the landing platform. The 3-D in the blizzard is amazing, doesnt obscure the action in the least. (again, see it in 3-D) Of all the moments though, I loved LOVED LOOOOVEEDDD the Yoda/Luke/ObiWan/Anakin reunion. YODA!!! I missed him in the last two films, but I'm glad they saved him for this moment ("Find another way, you must!" SO COOL!!!) The makeup on McGregor is serviceable, and Hamill was made to be a glowly blue spectre, and I think Hayden Christensen is better in this 10 minute scene than he is in anything else (including Shattered Glass). It doesn't make sense for him to look older, so I don't know what they were thinking with that beard. Maybe they'll fix it in the special editions ;p. Okay, first trilogy down, great job Disney! Now if you would be so kind as to remove 30% of the random cutesy characters, and add a little more of the emotional content from this film, the NEXT trilogy will be even better than this one! Now if you'll excuse me, I have to stand in line for the Death Star Ride. Again.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST
message from 2020
by Harrison_Snored
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:46 p.m. CST
Reading this ridiculous theory as a Tackback post made my head hurt...
by John Brown
...now giving it a story of its own? Another low point in AICN history.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:56 p.m. CST
by Harrison_Snored
Yes. Kingdom of Heaven with Lightsabers and Spaceships. Fuck Yes.
Nov. 1, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST
EDGAR WRIGHT WOULD BE SOLID for directing and writing - with ya FREEBEER!!
by wannabedirector
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
With the exception of maybe Whedon, Lindelof and the rest of them TV guys should stay away from Episode 7. I'm hoping to get action scenes on par with Star Wars: The Force Unleashed 2. The cutscenes in that game surpasses everything in previous years rela
by CodeName
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:03 a.m. CST
by Nintendarth
Isn't that how a normal film is supposed to go the FIRST time you see it?
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:04 a.m. CST
Prequel fans and true Saga fans can not support Disney.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
If you support a non-auteur version of Star Wars, you are a FRANCHISE fan. Licensing has always been to fund the auteur process, not the other way around.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST
Also wasn't impressed with Bird's direction with MI4. You need a director on the level of Jackson, or Blomkamp who 'understands' the themes and literature of genre films. Bird is fine with the typical Pixar film, but I don't think he's got it in him to st
by CodeName
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
God, according to Jeshopk we're expected to divide into camps now. There will be the "True" fans and the groupies. The True Fans will be known by their inhalers, pale complexions, and nervous glances over the urinal wall.
by AlienFanatic
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST
by CodeName
I think you're going to be surprised at what Disney will dish out regarding Star Wars. They know what they have on their hands. They'll probably treat their SW franchise better than Marvel.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST
Plinkett wanted the Prequels to be stock cliche
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
And now he will get it.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
by nonsensical
Mark Hamill was interviewed about the sale of LucasFilm and he stated that he and Carrie Fisher met with Lucas in August to discuss Episodes 7-9 and that he was blown away by the decision to sell the company and the announcement of the new films. Add to that another quote from the write of Skywalking (whatever the rest of the title is doesn't matter) who says the story was originally 12 parts and Disney saying that after the next trilogy they would make more films every two or three years. Does that mean we might see more Luke, Han and Leia? Yahoo article is here... most of it is rumor and speculation like what is going on here... but whatever. http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/star-wars-returns-rumor-roundup-221654367.html
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST
You read it here first folks....
by Liquid_Sinister
7, 8 and 9 will focus on Yoda's establishment of the Jedi order. It will take place before the prequels and have him facing off against Darth Plagueis(the "breakaway" student who goes on to establish the Sith) whom we know was the master of Emperor Palpatine before Palpatine snuffed him out. R2D2 will be in. No C3P0.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST
Just wondering
by Harrison_Snored
Is any expecting anything other than "Pirates of the Caribbean" here? 'Stock cliche' (or, as its otherwise known 'classic storytelling') IS the way to go jeshopk. This is not 'Citizen Kane', or 'Alien', this is fairy-take stuff. Farmboys and princesses, and pirates and dragons. Which is why Disney is perfect for it.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
Messing with the formula
by Harrison_Snored
is what made the prequels fail. People wanted a simple story of good vs evil, characters with identifiable traits, and a couple of surprises regarding the destiny of those characters.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:03 a.m. CST
by NoHubris
Hate to say that the attempted humor in PROMETHEUS didn't work for me which was a surprise because Ridely typically knows how to use humor in his movies.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:09 a.m. CST
by NoHubris
Agreed. With KINGDOM OF HEAVEN, Ridley does many of the things that would also work in STAR WARS.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST
So much of this speculation...
by John Brown
...springs from the question, "How could they announce the films immediately along with the acquisition of Lucasfilm?" But the operative question is not "how," it's "why." And the why is this--Disney knew some investors would freak out at yet another multi-BILLION dollar franchise acquisition, and one that has soiled its reputation in much of the fan community at that. Yes, investors would see SW as attractive, but would they see it as 4 billion dollars attractive? That was the fear, and Disney didn't want their investors worried and face devaluation. So they announced 7,8,9 at the same time to generate buzz and interest and say, "See, we're not just buying a franchise without a future, in face the future is even brighter than it ever was." The announcement is rooted less in Disney's advance work than in their fear. And if they have to announce later, "We're not going to get it out until 2016," people won't freak out.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST
I'm not the biggest Star Wars fan...
by ScudPuppy
in fact far from it, but I do know that in some of the subsequent novelizations Luke has a flirtation with the Dark Side and if I remember correctly he does turn...so they could probably write that in the 30-40 year gap between VI and VII and cover a portion of Luke's face Emperor-style...Han could be dead because we know Ford probably won't want to come back...and Leia well I guess we could see a gold bikini top hang down to her knees
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:18 a.m. CST
WTF!? Who lets himself get photographed in front of yoda with coffee in hand? So disrespectful. And look at his shoes!
by The Comrade
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:25 a.m. CST
My problem with Greedo shooting first has to do with the fact that the scene looks RIDICULOUS. Greedo is sitting directly opposite of Solo and misses!?
by The Comrade
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST
@raptor_jesus: Yes, MI3 was by Abrams, not by Bird. That's why it sucked. It played out like an oversized ALIAS episode. You know, that show Abrams f**ked up royally. Fear him.
by The Comrade
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:38 a.m. CST
Lindelof, Abrams & Co. are the worst thing that could happen to Star Wars
by CokeMachineGlow
People call George Lucas a sell out, but at least he never put product placements for Nokia and Budweiser into his franchise, or had Anakin groove to the Beastie Boys.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:41 a.m. CST
THX-1138 land
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
You could try to escape from Disney security, and if they catch you, they really kill you and put you in a plastic bag.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:49 a.m. CST
I am looking forward to the next WEIRD AL parody song.
by Chris Moody
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:54 a.m. CST
keep the jews like abrams away from it please!
by dioxholsters_scion
they are hacks who only keep working because of their jew nepotism
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST
Because Brad Bird is a hack too
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Fuck Brad Bird, The Incredibles, and his pink, ham face.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:26 a.m. CST
Need to retcon the prequels, first.
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:27 a.m. CST
Perhaps some offhand image or comments to totally
by Bedknobs and Boomsticks
wipe away everything before Star Wars. And no, I refuse to think of it as ANH or episode 4 or any of that bullshit. It was Star Wars when I saw it in the 70's as a kid.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:37 a.m. CST
Lindelof is a shitty writer.
by SunTzu77
Lost and Prometheus were turds.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST
Let's all send this thing good vibes
by darthvedder81
There's been so much negativity surrounding SW in the internet age it makes me sick. Whether you are a fan of the prequels or not (I am) how could anyone who even remotely considers themselves a Star Wars fan not be excited about the possibilities of a sequel trilogy? Let's see some positivity for once.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:59 a.m. CST
so how does someone go from The Incrediables to mission impossible?
by dioxholsters_scion
They are both so different. and now star wars? this is an outrage
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:03 a.m. CST
The THX-1138 land will have to be beneath the Magic Kingdom
by TheUmpireStrokesBach
They'll just drug you up and throw you down into their utilidors. You'll then be placed in a cell where a masturbation machine will collect your semen. After that, they'll come throw you into an endless white room with a bunch of other drugged up park visitors. You then escape, befriend a hologram, evade security, find a golf cart and haul ass toward an exit. Oh, and watch out for the midgets. Almost exactly what happened to me the last time I visited the park while blasted on LSD. Good times.
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:04 a.m. CST
This theory is plausible
by ryan
so far any attempt to "debunk" has been done so with unnamed "credible" sources. like we've never heard anyone in this industry tell us something will or wont happen and the OPPOSITE is what comes about. Prometheus was shit, but if DL can kick Star Treks old wrinkly behind into shape, i have faith he can pull off the outskirts of space again with another star wars.
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST
@mericasdad: "kick ... into shape"? Which STAR TREK did you see? The one that sucked, right? Even the lamest Shatner Star Trek kicks the 2009 reboot in the balls.
by The Comrade
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:25 a.m. CST
Oh no!
by VinnyMac666
If Lindelof writes it we'll all probably have to draw our own conclusions and find our own personal meanings and shit. Blah blah blah. I don't want to sit around with my friends and discuss what it means, leave that crap in your fancy art houses! I'm not paying ten bucks for a mystery. I want it all spelled out for me, fuck subtext, and I want it delivered in the best looking package ever! I'm so sick of thinking about stuff all the time. I go to the movies to relax! Right AICN? Who's with me!? No more thinking about it! More 'splosions!
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:34 a.m. CST
George Lucas is a big big fan of LOST, this is possible
by dioxholsters_scion
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:35 a.m. CST
Get Nolan to do it, but hes probably busy rebooting james bond
by dioxholsters_scion
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST
Prequel haters own this mess.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
You know who you are. The death of the auteur is on your head. 1-3 didn't play for the masses, and that's as it SHOULD be. Pearls before swine. Eat your Disney SLOP!
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:05 a.m. CST
Old testament vs new testament
by Jim McArthur
This is the best way to think of what Disney has up thier sleeve.
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:28 a.m. CST
Disney is a conglomerate, and comglomerates create and/or buy BRANDS. If SW wasn't a known brand, they wouldn't be bothered. The goal post for creativity isn't high. Expect hacks wishing for a SW payday. Many.
by justmyluck
Little kids won't know the difference, and it goes without saying that Disney knows that all too well.
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:29 a.m. CST
by justmyluck
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:47 a.m. CST
the thought of Carrie Fisher playing Leia
by disfigurehead
the way she looks now makes me want to swallow my vomit.
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:58 a.m. CST
They should not bring back OT characters
by Gorgomel
The Star Wars universe offers infinite possibilities and storyline. Just set the new trilogy 100 years after the OT and bring on new characters and planets (no more Tatooine please).
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:23 a.m. CST
Little kids will know the difference.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Star Wars was different than The Lion King to kids. Star Wars didn't blow smoke up their ass with propaganda. Kids know when they are in school. Disney is school.
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:37 a.m. CST
@jeshopk: I wasn't contrasting Disney vs. STAR WARS, but that little kids won't be able to tell a hack-ified SW vs. the OT, as the SW prequels proved that completely.
by justmyluck
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST
Prequels weren't hack work. You'll see hack work soon.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:53 a.m. CST
Star Wars Episode VII : Leia's metal bikini, the slave years RATED X
by Gorgomel
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:56 a.m. CST
re: *Prequels weren't hack work*. Enjoy your Jar Jar Binks.
by justmyluck
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:58 a.m. CST
long ass talkback
by RoosterBooster71
wow this is taking me back to the Episode 1 discussions and how nobody believed it would be called The Phantom Menace
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:04 a.m. CST
Hey justmyluck using Jar Jar is a strawman argument. 1-3 had philosophical substance you only get with auteur work. Quibble away, but 1-3 had more substance than Disney's entire catalog.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:08 a.m. CST
Just because alien 4 was worse than Prometheus, that doesn't mean it was good. Just less bad.
by gutshot
People doing stupid shit is not necessary for horror. It's scarier when they do everything right and still die. When you say "I would have died in that situation too..." instead of "obviously he died, that's what happens to stupid people." The only mystery in the original alien movies was "how do we get away from these viscous creatures without being torn to pieces?" that's all the mystery I need in a hard scifi movie. Star wars doesn't need answers, whoever said that is right, the force doesn't need medichlorians. Starwars also doesn't need vague questions, a writer that goes " what does this mean? Right? Confusing I know, seems deep, that's what I'm going for, what? No, I'm never going to explain it ever. How should I know what it means?!" Puzzles are fun because it is satisfying making sense out of chaos. No one sells puzzles that don't fit together for a reason.
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:11 a.m. CST
Disney has consistently turned culture's myths into corporate Rom-Coms since Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:12 a.m. CST
@ jeshopk: You're clearly a legend in your own mind and nothing I can say will change that; not even a Jar Jar reality check. Meesa movin' on now, meesa thinks.
by justmyluck
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:27 a.m. CST
Like I said, justmyluck, enjoy your slop. I'm sure the shareholders are going to target market the hell out of you prequel haters.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:28 a.m. CST
by Duck of Death
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:29 a.m. CST
get over this "you seen how they look now" thing
by johnnyg korrupt
nobody stays great looking forever. Ask your mom. I'm 38 and im so surprised how often i come across a chick that was drop dead gorgeous even 5 years ago and they look shocking now. That's life. Most people are lucky enough to stay looking good for 5 years straight let alone 10 years. You nerds shouldn't be complaining about looks anyway. Youve never looked good. Oh wait, thats right im sure fanboy forums with 300 posts are just inhabited but attractive looking guys who are just too busy to go out socialising.
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:36 a.m. CST
ROFL, theumpirestrokesbach
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:02 a.m. CST
Message from 2019
by tradeskilz
Fucking KIDS MOVIE! The Ombagoombas was clearly created just so that Disney could market new toys to the CHILDREN that watch this crap. George Lucas would be proud. And you thought that talking robots, farting Gungas and teddybears where bad. Ombagoombas with their little kids voices and funny noises they make when they walk. Christ i almost walked out when i heard the fart noices they made everytime they turned their heads. The kids love it though and the theater errupted in childrens laughter anytime an Ombagoomba farted.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST
Fuck you assholes: Hamill will be great, Fisher will be great! We're all older and fatter. So what. Give him a beard, make her head of state: PERFECT!
by FleshMachine
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:06 a.m. CST
lindelofffffffff ,noooooooooo!
by kimbers
the force is weak with that one hackneyed, tedious plotlines passed of as pseudo intellectual mysttical bollox
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:09 a.m. CST
Wasn't the final trilogy supposed to be...
by Barrymore
set many years after the events of the first two trilogies? All people were supposed to be gone and robots had taken over the galaxy. C3PO and R2D2 were supposed to be the main characters. I distinctly remember reading this when I was in grade school in the early 80s (this was back when Luke and Leia were "rumored" to be brother-sister, and Darth Vader got that way because he fell into a volcano)--George Lucas had 9 Star Wars movies/plots planned, and the robots were supposed to be the last trilogy. Does anyone else remember this?
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST
by buggerbugger
re: "A film doesn't always have to have the answers straight out [...] Hell, if it wasn't for a contract and an eager producer attempting to cash in on the success of 'Halloween', we never would have known why Michael "The Shape" Myers targeting Laurie Strode, Annie Brackett and etc, and that would have been fine." Uh... we were shown in 'Halloween' why Myers targeted Laurie and her friends. Nobody needed a nonsensical, revelatory "she's his baby sister!" retcon from 'H2' to make sense of the original movie's events.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:14 a.m. CST
John Carter Taught Us That Disney Knows Space Opera!
by Buzz Maverik
Taylor Kitsch is saying, "Four billion? You said I broke the studio!"
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST
When 900 years you reach...
by Duck of Death
...look as good as Carrie Fisher you will not!
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:30 a.m. CST
by sapno_krei
Considering that STAR WARS and the concept of the Force were also "pseudo intellectual mysttical bollox" (later undone by Lucas' inexcusable introduction of the Midichlorians), I'd say that Damon Lindelof would be the perfect person to clean up and restore the concepts to their original mysterious nature.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:44 a.m. CST
Excited for new heroes. 1 through 6 are now ruined with Darth Vader an irredeemable child serial killer who we're supposed to give a shit says nooooo. Noooo? Fuck you child killing fuck- just die.
by UltraTron
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:45 a.m. CST
Someone's still stuck on Disney vs. Lucas, a comparison I never made. In fact, the *mythology* of the prequels was as deeps as Pinocchio: *Don't be a bad boy*. Meesa thinks prequels got peepas stucka on stooopid, maxi big.
by justmyluck
Ooh mooey mooey I love you!
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST
You literally couldn't have ruined the character more.
by UltraTron
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:46 a.m. CST
Can people with no taste detect a hack job? Enquiring minds want to know!
by justmyluck
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:49 a.m. CST
Yeah he destroyed everything cool about Han as well. We still need the un-fucked originals on blu. The music and timing and pacing is fucked too. I don't even own them on blu and the irony of that is beyond comprehension.
by UltraTron
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST
I'm pretty sure this will be Luke and Lea's Jedi kids as our new heroes. And probably a black sidekick.
by UltraTron
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
@ guys writing messages from 2015, 2017 and 2019:
by buggerbugger
How many Death Stars does this new trilogy feature? If it's one or more, 'Star Wars' can seriously suck my Death Balls.
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:09 a.m. CST
Star Wars Episode XVIII : Guess what They built a new death star!
by Gorgomel
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:27 a.m. CST
Snig and Oopla are Disney's Star Wars characters
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXJHnv_SiKg Makes Phantom Menace look like Stanley Kubrick.
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
re: "1 through 6 are now ruined with Darth Vader an irredeemable child serial killer"
by buggerbugger
VADER: Look, seriously, I'm totally fine with throttling adults to death for no good reason every five minutes. Chopping old guys in half with my laser sword? Drugging bitches in cells? Torturing guys and selling them to gangsters? Sign me up for all of that shit. I'm even okay with blowing entire planets the fuck up because I'm pretending there were no kids or puppies living there. That's the sort of thing that makes me look badass in front of the troops. But... killing kids? Right up close? Man, that's going just a bit too far for me. Sorry, but you can count me out of this whole "Dark Side" shit.
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:32 a.m. CST
Still going on about Han? 15 years later? Seriously?
by Dan
NOTHING was changed about the character.... NOTHING! And Plinkett? Seriously? You people agree with that dumpy, fat tub of shit weeping in his pile of cheetos? He's constantly off the mark... he wants cliches... and basically wants the orginal films remade like a douche. I'd love to punch that guy in the mouth just because he's the type that deserves it.... miserable parasite!
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:34 a.m. CST
The prequels
by grendel69
Are a crime against humanity. In all seriousness,upon seeing TPM, I called it one of the worst movie Id ever seen and still believe that. As bad as Action Jackson or Leonard6. I spent a lot of time arguing with nerds about that. What was so disappointing was how much time Lucas had to think about it, and that was what we got. AoTC is only slighty better, and Sith, which is also a mess, is easily the best of the 3. It jsut amazes me how fans are so easily forgiving of outright horrible filmmaking just because its got the name Star Wars attached to it, while better films are ripped apart by genre fans. Lucas should have gone with the original plan... have high caliber directors and writers do them while he supervises. Yes Darabont (still high off Shawshank at the time) was talked to...imagine that,what could have been. His ego got in the way unfortunately.
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:40 a.m. CST
Darth vader is NOT irredeemable...
by Dan
Read some....life is full of peole who done horrible shit and have been forgiven... I think that's one of the most profound statements in the original and prequel trilogy- forgiveness...or in the latter case, the lack of it. Death Row is full of people seeking to be forgiven... Nearly all, if not all of the Manson murderers have been born-again or have at least sought forgiveness. Whether they get it or not is not up to you or I... for their own sake they have best be sincere about it.... I think if some of those freaks can be forgiven in real life than a guy doing bad stuff in a fake universe can be forgiven too...geez, why is this such a sticking point?
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:41 a.m. CST
Vader is Redeemable I should say...edit functions please?
by Dan
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
Snig and Oopla are very popular characters, so Disney must know what they are doing wit Star Wars. It's always best to cater to the masses!
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:05 a.m. CST
by Dan
The worst of all time? Here we go again with nerds unable to control their emotions. Having no control or understanding of the movie gradiation scale. Disliking the movie is one thing, but to declare it Leonerd Part 6 terrible? C'mon, no one is going to agree with insanity like that... (Shut up, Plinkett!) because it's all based on personal whatever.... which is mainly self-created Nerd rules that if the violators deviate one fraction, they are disowned, disbanded and called THE WORST THING---EVER. The Simpsons proved stereotypes ARE true... And Roger Ebert disagrees with you. Are you smarter than ole' Rog? Of course not....
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:09 a.m. CST
Frank Darabont was initially hired to write it...
by Dan
his first reading of the TPM script…after he was done, he was asked for his opinion, his feedback…. His answer- "I WOULDN'T CHANGE A THING"…. Take that for what it is…
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:10 a.m. CST
First pic from Disney's Star Wars. Thank God Lucas is gone!
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:11 a.m. CST
Anakin/Vader child killer was a bold move by Lucas...
by T
It was still somewhat ham-fistedly executed but it was bold. Blowing up a planet = the same thing, just not as graphically portrayed. Yeah, I know that was Tarkin, but Vader was complicit in that too. The Death Star was awesome but wasteful... the new super weapon could be The Subjegator, a slaver weapon that puts a planet under the sway of the Dark Side. That could devastate The New Republic real quick, especially if it hit the Capital with a great deal of the Jedi there. Sure, it's a little hokey, but what else is there besides black holes, red matter(whoops!) and Mega Death Stars!
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:14 a.m. CST
George Lucas is NOT gone! In fact, he's still in charge of this!
by T
The Disney effect won't really hit hard until somewhere down the line... LucasFilm will be making Star Wars. LucasFilm. George might be more hands off than in the past but his presence will be felt!
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:15 a.m. CST
If the prequels get to be the worst for you...
by Dan
Lord of the Rings is THE worst for me... :)
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:31 a.m. CST
Pretty Clear that Penny Marshall Will Direct
by Lesbianna_Winterlude
Disney owns this thing now. Ellen DeGeneres, Chris Colfer and Taylor Lautner as the leads. The Rock as a gruff but lovable Jedi Master.
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:54 a.m. CST
tons of star wars novels
by RoosterBooster71
spanning the time way before the movies to way after.. but i dunno if any of them are really suitable for a movie
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Good fathers shoot CPS workers when they come to the door.
Nov. 2, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
Prometheus beginning tried to recreate Alien. It's second act tried to recreate Aliens. And it's third was branching out. It added life to the franchise.
by Quarantine
It's clear that Lindeloff had a goal with Prometheus. Alien and Aliens are the gold standard so he tried to tap into both. Alien was space horror and he tried to deliver the genre elements of that right down to the idiots touching things they shouldn't and making dumb decisions which would later get them killed. That's part of the tropes of the genre and something people enjoy watching. Aliens was sci-fi action and once the action ramped up in Prometheus it was quite a bit of fun. The final act was where it branched out. It asked big questions. It set up interesting ideas. It made me want to see an entire movie about David and the female character even if David's head was just in a bowling ball bag the entire time giving advice, doing math and plotting coordinates sort of like R2. Prometheus was ambitious and tried to be a lot of things to a lot of different Alien/Aliens fans while still reaching out to new fans. I think it was a success as far as adding new life to the franchise.
Nov. 2, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST
Can't wait for the Pixar/Star Wars mashup
by tcovil
Looking forward to meeting Jar Jar Slinks, Lighting McThreepio and Lots-o-Huggin' Vader.
Nov. 2, 2012, 11:24 a.m. CST
If Disney somehow makes terrible Star Wars movies, lots of people will still like them. See the prequels or Prometheus, some people love those flicks.
by hank henshaw
Hell, there are some out there who defend Crystal Skull or Superman Returns. Even the Transformers movies!
Nov. 2, 2012, 11:35 a.m. CST
Since when has Disney released anything but family comedies? Avengers included.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
@franklovesmaude Source please? I can't seem to find that quote about Darabont and TPM
by AlienFanatic
Not saying it isn't there, but it's a lot harder to find than the one about Darabont refusing to work on TPM because George wanted him to work off-contract.
Nov. 2, 2012, 11:36 a.m. CST
er zodlovesmaude
by AlienFanatic
Had Frank Darabont on the brain there.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:02 p.m. CST
Can't wait for the Yuzzum or whatever stupid new enemy the books have introduced
by cozy
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST
Hamill, Ford, Fisher, and KIT-BASHED MODEL WORK.
by GoSensGo
We all want it. That original thrill, the original feel, the original look, and the original cast. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone looks like after 30 years. Put 'em together and let the cameras roll. "How are we doing?" "Same as always!" Ford won't do it? He fuck well better. He owes the fans. I paid to see 'Regarding Henry' and 'Crystal Skull'. Ford bitches that Solo is a one-note character? So what. He didn't seem to mind playing Han Solo for a fourth time in 'Cowboys and Aliens'. Ford needs to quit being a prick. And I want to see model work! Get that 1977 feel back. The Falcon in CGI would be unforgiveable. Let's do this thing old-school and have the fun we've forgotten about.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:23 p.m. CST
Uwe Boll in talks to direct.
by SkitZo
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:48 p.m. CST
Disney will turn it into Toy Story
by dioxholsters_scion
which is unarguably the worst milking of a movie ever made. Talk about using the same theme and storyline over and over again.
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:51 p.m. CST
hank henshaw, Crystal Skull is pure INDY.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
The best of INDY? No, not even close. But PURE INDY? Yes. Rip it apart, it still fits. Wanting something better doesn't make it a piece of shit. But if one considers it a piece of shit, then that same deconstruction needs to be applied to the other INDY stories. just sayin'
Nov. 2, 2012, 12:59 p.m. CST
The Face Of Cinema's Greatest Villain - New Era Remix
by albert comin
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
PROMETHEUS does not exist in this dojo
by Cobra--Kai
I saw a piece the BBC film critic Kermode had done about PROMETHEUS last week following the blu ray release and the cut scenes - talking about how people were re-evaluating the film now that all the hype had died down. Kermode made an excellent point, about people upon second viewing being able to appreciate PROMETHEUS for what it is rather than what they expected it to be. I have to say I thought it was very good at the cinema but ive since watched it twice more on 3D blu ray along with the deleted scenes and for me its currently the best film of the year. A beautiful piece of world building, a window.
I just wish they had released a proper extended cut rather than the deleted scenes as an extra. If you havent seen them then dont judge PROMETHEUS to harshly until you have. (the documentary on the 4-disc set is gold standard too, best behind the scenes docu since LOTR EE discs) So many of the huh wtf moments are explained or removed by the deleted scenes, once again Ridley got fucked, or fucked himself, by releasing a drastically shortened film than the one he actually shot. Holloway deleted scenes show why he was a drunk ass in the autopsy scene. Janek deleted scene shows why he was ready to sacrifice himself in the ramming scene. Millburn deleted scene show him all giddy at finding the worm which later becomes mutated by the goo and informs his petting reaction. Paradise deleted scene is a call back to the dream scene we see right at the start with shows father. Engineer speaks deleted scene is a great throwback to weyland ted speech... And there's more. Just wished we had an extended cut to allow this movie a more considered pace with all those extra moments!
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
Because you asked for it: Christopher Nolan's STAR WARS EPISODE VII
by animatronicmojo
The beginning of Christopher Nolan's "Star Wars Episode VII: The Dark Side Rises" joins Luke Skywalker eight years after the events in Return of the Jedi. The death of the genocidal, child-murdering father Luke never knew; his tortured, secret love for his sister, and the scars from the Emperor's force lighting torture have left Luke a shattered man. With a beard and a cane, he hobbles about his mansion on Coruscant like a disheveled Howard Hughes, having quit the Jedi Order and Rebellion after the party on the Forest Moon of Endor. However, unbeknownst to him, a clone of Darth Vader called "Vain" is about to unleash a violent revolution on Coruscant. First, Vain steals all the armored canon-cars that Luke was unknowingly making, smacks around the stock brokers, and performs a blood transfusion. He then blows up the pod-races and all the bridges out of Coruscant, trapping everyone on the… planet. His plan is to raise unemployment and then blow up the whole planet with a one of Luke's bigger bombs. Luke meets a beautiful young thief for five minutes named Aynranda and falls in love. He confronts Vain, is badly beaten, and thrown into the Sarlacc on Tatooine, where, for about an hour, he slithers around the entrails being digested and receiving pithy, leaden exposition from Boba Fett (played by the voice of Michael Caine) who is still being eaten after all these years. He is also reunited with Han and Lando, who helps him find "the force" to climb out of the Sarlacc, and jump the ten feet to freedom. Back in Coruscant, Luke tries to raise an army, but first must free the Jedis and Younglings, who, three months prior, were each and every one of them trapped by Vain in the planet sewer, which has only one way in and one way out. Luke then flies around Coruscant trying to evade the Death Star, which is Vain's armored truck laden with heat-seeking missiles. Luke steers the missiles into buildings, and finally gets to confront Vain in a fistfight. He is again losing badly, but Aynranda shows up suddenly with a bazooka and blows Vain up. Luke then tosses his light saber to the kid from that 70's show. In the final scene, we see a single shot of a spaceship in space… Luke and Aynranda are heading to a giant CG castle by The Lake on Naboo, where Luke enters into a second retirement.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:13 p.m. CST
by Dan
Will try and find it... I read it on CHUD.com years ago...(I hate that place :) )
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:14 p.m. CST
Nolan's non-Batman flicks suck. WHy is he now the go-to guy?
by Dan
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:17 p.m. CST
stereotypical evil archer - Excellent points...
by Dan
I am one of those- I will defend the prequels and Krystal Skull to the fucking grave!
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
by Dan
http://www.shawshankredemption.org/fade.htm Scroll down, it's towards the bottom... Frank says he wasn't hired on for writer per say, but he was asked for some input... and he didn't give any.... Derp
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:27 p.m. CST
The Force?
by SlyAndTheFamilyStallone
Yeah, it's kinda like this cork in this wine bottle. What more do I need to tell you. It's like, a cork, man!
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:31 p.m. CST
Disney's Star Wars: The Farce Will Be Strong.
by albert comin
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
cobra--kai DUDE, GET THE FUCK OUTTA THIS DOJO
by wannabedirector
dude, seriously, you are going to defend the fucking donkey shit of a script in prometheus???!!!! Answer me this.....why the fuk did the goo do the most complete random, arbitrary shit throughout the movie, o yea....cause lindelof sucks fukin ass and used it as fucking birdshit glue to a fukin shit script.....and how the fuk does a 'alien' melt himself in a river and then somehow created sequenced DNA that creates human beings???? does your sperm get flushed down the toilet and create people out of the sewers????......i mean fucking are you kidding me, should have flushed the script and yourself down the shitter - get the fuk outta here you stupid wanker!!!!!!
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:35 p.m. CST
Lucas's ego got in the way?
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
He ASKED Darabont (and Kasdan) to write the script for Menace, and for their opinions. He even asked Carrie Fisher to give the script a once over (since she's a writer herself). They all turned him down, or told him 'not to change a thing'. It's amazing how people will bash Lucas while selectively ignoring the FACTS. Also, how dare you criticize 'Action Jackson'.
wannabedirector, no my sperm gets splashed over your girlfriends pretty face. She's not satisfied at home and is begging every night for some dojo dicking.
turd, I agree some films are sacrosanct. ACTION JACKSON is one. PATCH ADAMS is another.
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
Hey dude who saw thr sequels from the future. How bout a Spoiler! Dick!
by bobbofatz
Nov. 2, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
cobrai--kai Thanks for making my point, im glad your movie of the year is based on a shit script, good job buddy
by wannabedirector
.....again, get the fuk outta this dojo you wanker!!!
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:09 p.m. CST
@zodlovesmaude Thanks for the link, but I'm not quite sure I agree that it's an endorsement of TPM
by AlienFanatic
He got a look at one draft of the screenplay, which could have been the final but also could have been an interim draft. Only Darabont himself could tell you which one it was and precisely how he felt about it. "I didn't have anything to say about it. 'Gee, George, I'm sorry that you wasted your airline ticket on me. Good luck with the shoot.'" What appears on the page can also be quite different from what emerges in the shoot, though I doubt George brooks much improvisation. Hell, I was giddy during the first showing of TPM because, hell, it was freaking STAR WARS after 20 years. I was one of those folks in line in the early morning at a downtown theater I NEVER go to just so that I could recapture some of that fun. Later, I realized just how empty the experience was. It became more about the movie and less about the experience the second time (that day) that I watched the movie, and I could feel my enthusiasm balloon deflating. Let's just say that I think Darabont has a contagious enthusiasm for Lucas's properties and an innate talent at adapting the works of others. I'd love to see him get a turn at the screenplay, no matter who ends up penning the final draft. That said, it sounds like Darabont doesn't like to be a gun-for-hire anymore, so I sincerely doubt that he'll be involved. And that makes me sad.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST
Cobra...haven't seen the BLU Prometheus...
by conspiracy
...but unless it explains why half way through the film highly educated scientists and Space fairing experts suddenly start making incredibly illogical choices, many of which could be/turn out to be life and death choices...it won't change my opinion of that script.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:15 p.m. CST
@turd Man, heresay really isn't an argument
by AlienFanatic
Hollywood is such an intensely political environment, and Lucas has been such a powerful figure, it's really hard to separate the fiction from the reality when it comes to these tales. Darabont said later, when he was expressing what happened with Indy IV, that Lucas is very stubborn and simply ignores any ideas he doesn't agree with. Perhaps the writers realized that attempting to give feedback to Lucas on a screenplay was pointless and, in fact, could have had a negative impact on their careers at that time. Darabont benefited from a positive relationship with Lucas, but it's clear that by the time of Indy IV, Lucas had worn him down. I don't even know about Fisher, whose acid-tongued satire would have been an awful fit for Star Wars, or why Lucas would have even considered her for assistance. Lucas has always seemed like a guy to surround himself with yes-men. Those that don't say yes don't stick around long. Do you really think he was looking for honest feedback when he passed the screenplay around and do you think that anyone who had a career to consider would risk invoking his ire? We don't know the man. We don't know how he works. We don't know if he's the nicest guy in Hollywood or a vindictive S.O.B. so it's really hard to draw any conclusions from anecdotes and heresay.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:20 p.m. CST
by wannabedirector
.....RZA, Tarantino, Edgar Wright.....these guys make movies because they fucking LOVE movies - watching them, directing, writing.....fuking stupid ass lindelof and brad 'MI4 still second to the original' bird do this shit for the fukin paycheck and mortgage......plus, DISNEY ALWAYS DOES IT FOR THE MONEY AS AN EVIL SHIT OF A CORPORATION.....props to Lucas for selling it as i thought he would die with the property rights, but why would he sell it to the worst fuking studio/least creative minds that won't take it to the AWESOMENESS that it deserves and can be???!!!.....(RHETORICAL, i.e. Episodes I II III) because Lucas is a fukin retarded money-grabbin doosh and doesn't give a shit anymore about why he fell in love with making movies 40 fuking years ago!!! PEOPLE - WAKE THE FUK UP!!! BRING SOME SUBSTANCE TO THIS TALKBACK!!!
conspiracy, 100% worth checking out - you will thank the Dojo for it afterwards! wannabedirectro, id answer but am currently too busy eulogizing Bruce Spence in the MAD MAX tb!!
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:34 p.m. CST
Opening scene for SW VII...
by Michael Tyree
...we see Mickey and Donald on the bridge of a spanking new Malteesium Falcon cruiser: Mickey: "Dammit Donald, where the hell did Princess Laya disappear to this time?" Donald (after much cursing and throwing of un-nailed down objects): "I dunno, she's always wandering off somewhere and if ya ask me, I think she's fucking goofy anyway!" Goofy walks up to the bridge to join his pals and they both notice he has an enormous, shit-eating grin on his face. When you wish upon a Star, Wars will not be very far... ...ah yes, fanboy karma.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:45 p.m. CST
alienfanatic, there's an awful lot of assumption there
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
'Do you really think he was looking for honest feedback? Yes. Why else would he pass the script around in the first place if he was not looking for feedback? He was under no requirement to do so. There's no reason to read anymore into that situation than the obvious, unless you're just looking to find fault with the man. Now, there's also no reason to assume he would have taken their opinions on board, either, but it's telling that they offered nothing critical at all. Perhaps they thought that, regardless of what was on the page, Lucas knew something they didn't and was going to strike lightning in a bottle again, a la A New Hope. A New Hope wasn't exactly Chinatown as a script, either, after all. I remember Fisher saying something like 'I know he always does much better than what's on the page' and Darabont praising the script as being 'undiluted Lucas, and that was what was so wonderful about it'. Darabont, Kasdan and Fisher were not employees of Lucas and were all independent of him, so why on earth would they be scared of giving an honest opinion? Darabont was already a successful director on his own, as was Kasdan. Fisher had her own thing going. Their ties to Lucas might have been a nice extra thing on the side but that's all. They didn't need Lucas, who was remote from the Hollywood industry, anyway, outside of his Indy/ SW sphere. It's reasonable to assume that their responses WERE their honest opinions. As for Lucas himself, I think it IS possible to form an opinion of the man after countless interviews, biographies, etc. He clearly is a humble, down-to-earth, nice guy AND he is clearly stubborn about his ideas also. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I don't buy all this conspiracy nonsense that he must be a vindictive asshole in private, or a terrible human being. Most of that talk seems to come from Lucas haters projecting their own bile onto the man.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:46 p.m. CST
How much of Losts final season is due to Lindelof and how much is due to his lame partner Cuse?
by FrodoFraggins
I assume Cuse deserves more of the blame.
Nov. 2, 2012, 2:47 p.m. CST
See what happens when you bring LOGIC to an argument, idiots like cobra--kai vanish like the common sense in the Prometheus script...LMFAO!!!!
by wannabedirector
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaahaha!!!!!!! OMG this is hilarious.....!!!!
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:21 p.m. CST
This could go either way
by LarkStew
The thing that interests me about more movies after the original trilogy, is that with the prequels, they had to line up with the originals, so everyone could kind of guess the broad outline. With sequels, they could go anywhere, we have no idea what they're intending to do, so whatever they do it'll be a huge surprise. But then the thing that worries me, is that since they're calling it episode 7, it implies a continuation of the original trilogy story. And I've no clue what they can do to carry that off. You could vaguely have old Luke, but who would the antagonist be? A clone Emperor? Thrawn? Come one, that's tedious fan fiction. I just can't think of anything they can do to carry on that story which won't feel like a tired, tacked on rehash. On the other hand, the aftermath of the galactic war, where our heroes would be rebuilding the republic, facing local warlords, drug runners, opportunists, would be much better suited to a TV series. That would be the best place for Star Wars now. But since they're going ahead with more movies, personally I think the best approach would be to go further into the future, maybe 100 years, and have all new characters, new stories, new dangers. But naming it episode 7 worries me.
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:55 p.m. CST
If Ian McKellen at his age can do Gandalf...
by NoHubris
....and if Sly can do THE EXPENDABLES, then why can't Hamill, Fisher and Ford do STAR WARS 7? There are other examples of effective older action stars like Connery as Mason in THE ROCK and Ramius in RED OCTOBER. The formula works if the younger stars also have ample screen time.
Nov. 2, 2012, 3:56 p.m. CST
I just can't wait for Disney to make the Snig and Oopla movie. Man, they are creative.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:09 p.m. CST
@ scratchmonkey - Nope, no Death Star
by Harrison_Snored
SPOILER FOR 2012 PPL No Death Star, thankfully. Part VII had those two big orange Juggernaut Ships that are seemingly indestructible until Chewie and Han rig one to attack the other. (Yes, i think it's a deliberate parallel to the twins) Ep VIII shows that those two were just part of a Sith Armada of hundreds, being piloted by droids controlled by that Fin-Headed Shark-Baron guy. And they can concentrate their fire power like the Death Star when they have to hit something big like Coruscant. Ep IX the Sith Armada is annihilated by that flat, UFO looking Megaship the Alliance was building on that Wookie planet in Ep VIII. TOYS TOYS TOYS
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:10 p.m. CST
by Harrison_Snored
Also Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy!
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:12 p.m. CST
@turd I never said Lucas was pleasant OR unpleasant...
by AlienFanatic
I was simply saying that none of us can possibly know his motivations. By talking to Hamill and Fisher in advance of this agreement, I have the tendency to believe he's a good guy and loyal to his friends. I also believe he's stubborn. I also can't speak to the motivation of people brought on board to proofread his script, nor why they would or would not offer feedback. All I'm saying is that your argument that their lack of feedback was somehow a tacit approval of the TPM screenplay lacks proof. I'd rather just say that just because someone like Darabont didn't criticize Lucas's screenplay does not lessen my opinion of that person's talents. Darabont has proven time and again, both in his King adaptations as well as helping to successfully launch shows like Walking Dead, that he has talent as a writer. I tend to like what he does. And I'd like to see his take on a Star Wars film, whether or not it goes to production.
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
Forget the sequels...go back in time to before the prequels and have a new story
by Paul
The story of the prequels/originals is done. forget about trying to continue it somehow by making a sequel about their kids or some shit. Anything like that will just invite comparisons with the original cast which will never be matched at least in our hearts/minds. Start over with a new story set in the same universe. I'd like to see a Jedi origins story. The first Jedi who discovers the force. Picture Star Wars meets Batman Begins meets Matrix meets the 10 Commandments. A Biblical epic done for the Jedi religion. Get back to heavy mythology/religious tones of the OT.
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
Jeff Bridges in Tron Legacy looked as fake as Sean Connery did in from Dragonheart.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:15 p.m. CST
What did Mark Hamill Say?
by Henry Fool
It seems to me that there are two distinct possibilities here. 1. These films are likely to happen. 2. Mark Hamill is a pathological liar. I like Mark Hamill and think there's a chance he's probably been keeping fans informed of Lucas' true plans as ol' George lies constantly without hesistation or remorse. Mark said that George took he and Carrie out to lunch to talk about the third trilogy. It seems a stretch that he'd outrage George by lying about this. So unless he's profoundly mentally ill, it seems we have to assume that these films are happening.
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:16 p.m. CST
Hyperspace Hoopla is so much better than anything George Lucas ever came up with.
by Fuck disney with a rusty chainsaw
MAN this is good shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXJHnv_SiKg Look at all those POSITIVE COMMENTS! Why couldn't Lucas do THAT!
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:19 p.m. CST
@ jeshopk
by Harrison_Snored
Agreed. But Im glad they were able to put the REAL Bridges in there without making him do all the crap we were expected to believe old Indy could do.
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:34 p.m. CST
Yes zodlovesmaude.. one of the worst.
by grendel69
Simply, Its a terrible, terrible film.
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:53 p.m. CST
alienfanatic, none of that was ever anything to do with my argument in the first place
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Which actually wasn't an argument at all, but a repudiation of someone's point. I was originally responding to someone who called Lucas an egotist for daring to write the prequels himself, instead of hiring more qualified people to do the job. I simply pointed out that this was not so, and that he had initially approached others to either write the scripts, provide feedback, or to polish the dialogue. Nor did I question Darabont's talents, either directly or by implication. I've already nominated him myself in other threads as one of my preferred choices to write these new sequels - and maybe even to direct.
Nov. 2, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST
So these guys from the future don't know the names of things
by SlickyVonBoner
Like the main villain or what the new superweapons are called. Hmm . i'm calling bullshit! Plus, we all know you can't travel back in time... only forward.
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST
hey boner
by Harrison_Snored
Im right behind you
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
Anakin Skywalker as a child slaughterer....
by one9deuce
is THE biggest fuck-up of George Lucas' career. It changes him from a bad guy to an irredeemable and disgusting excuse for a human being. Anyone confused by that or defending it is stupid for lack of a better word. In the Original Trilogy, Darth Vader is a terrifying and murderous villain doing very bad things to ADULTS who are soldiers and warriors in the midst of a war. In Episode III "Darth Vader" slaughters a LOT of innocent and defenseless children for NO good reason! My cousin is a maximum security prison guard, and he says that the inmates (muderers, rapists) are all disgusted by the child murderers. It's just on another level. It's despicable in ways that other crimes just aren't. It was an incredibly ham-fisted and short sighted way to make Anakin seem really lost. It went way too far. And he did the same thing in AOTC! Darth Vader is a bad guy in a pulp adventure series. Not some murderer of innocents. He's Genghis Khan. Not John Wayne Gacy. He's Julius Caesar. Not Ted Bundy. He's Benito Mussolini. Not Ed Gein. He's a warrior and a dictator who is trying to dominate a galaxy with very questionable tactics. Not some serial killer. And I concur with several talkbackers here, the Prequels ARE as shitty as ACTION JACKSON or LEONARD PART 6. Because Lucas had all the time he needed. All the money he needed. And all the talent in the world at his disposal. And he STILL made one poor film, which is THE PHANTOM MENACE. A potentially great film with another few drafts of the screenplay. And two unbelievably shitty films, which are ATTACK OF THE CLONES and REVENGE OF THE SITH. Which both are at the level of a mediocre television show. Which is what they are of course. Shot on television cameras with a television crew. Directed and staged like a television Soap Opera with soap opera acting to match. They are shit, pure and simple. I don't know what Disney and Lucasfilm have in mind, but there is no where to go but up.
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:35 p.m. CST
oneninedeuce - I crown thee King
by Harrison_Snored
Dammit wheres my like button?!
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST
Of course Hamil et al are in it. why the fuck would Lucas meet up with them, just to tell them he was doing another three.
by borisdoris
Clearly he discussed a synopsis with them as it involves them.
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:50 p.m. CST
@Mr one9deuce, aparently you do't reaise thatthose dictoators you mentionedabove were directly responsible for the death of million of children.
by albert comin
Genghis Khan inparticular takes the cake. He literally orderd the deathof millons, and he target the children in particular so that to implement deliberate genocide. How harsh was it? Let me just say thateven in the 21th century central asia has not reach the population levels it had before Khan's genocides. And is was something that happened i the 13th century. Caesar's military actions in Galia were responsible for the death of one to 5 million people. Cildren were partcular targets, either for enslavement or for extermination so t end a bloodline of some rebellous tribe. Benito Musolini send a 20the century modern army fight a backwater country, Ethiopia, armed with 19th century weaponry, and he orere systematic air raid bombardments on civilian targets. The death of chldren on those actions caused an international outrage and was one of the first blow against public opinion about fascism before WWII began. So my point is, yo realy came across as quite ignorant in your coments above. Next time you try to be smart abut your atempts at criticisin the Sw prequels, my advise is next time try to actually do some research before you sound like an ignorant. And guess what Lucas did research about what makes a tyrant. If anything, Anakin Skywalker fits very well the personality profile of so many of known tyrants, specially those in the 20th century. So there.
Nov. 2, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
by NoHubris
Jeff Bridges in TRON: LEGACY is another good one. As a matter of fact TRON:LEGACY is a good model in general in terms of both younger version of the original hero (in the case of Tron it was a digital clone) and use of the hero's offspring (i.e. Sam). SW7 has many such options in that regard.
Nov. 2, 2012, 6 p.m. CST
Of course, there were absolutely no children on Alderaan, either...
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Oh well, I guess he just pushed a button from afar, so that doesn't count, eh?
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
turd - That was Tarkin's idea
by Harrison_Snored
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST
Grr- seeing Vader as a child killing wacko
by Harrison_Snored
I can't wait for Jackson or Del Toro or anybody else to remake those damn prequels. It was more than just 'the wrong tone' or 'bad dialogue' or 'lazy directing' Its the worst.. I cant even go into it. REMAKE THE PREQUELS DISNEY!!
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
Mark Hamill looks like William Shatner Now
by Pipple
Get his son to do it and we'll talk... otherwise, don't drive the knife deeper through my childhood. I can't takes no maarrr... :..(
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
one9deuce, what the fuck planet are you from where those dictators you mentioned didn't kill innocents? You sir, don't even know Star Wars.
by Stereotypical Evil Archer
Step away and let the learned do the talkbacking. Your fucking ignorance of history is more insulting and more of a travesty than any disappointment in the prequels.
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
harrison_snored, nonsense, Vader was complicit in the act
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
I've heard it all now, though. Now Lucas is being pilloried for making the prequels too dark, for actually having the balls to show Vader as a murderer with no conscience! Lol. That Vader; I always thought he was kind to children and animals before the prequels! I always thought he had some sort of moral compass, no matter how limited! I always thought dictators limited their evil acts to only those over the age of eighteen! Lucas, you bastard....
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:52 p.m. CST
Lucas has always said that Vader cannot be redeemed
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Rendering these arguments moot. He can't atone for what he's done in the past, but he can at least put an end to the tyranny, and try his best to make up for what he's done in even a small way (which he did by saving Luke and killing the Emperor).
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST
How I believe Episode III should have played out
by SlickyVonBoner
to make Anakin seem a hero in our eyes even after falling to the darkside. The events of Order 66 happen much earlier in the film, and that is where Obi-Wan and Anakin duel over their separate beliefs over how the galaxy should be ruled. A Republic vs an Empire. Obi-wan easily defeats Anakin, giving him the grievous wounds we already new he was destined to receive. Due, to the war and the transition to the Empire, Anakin has not seen Padme for some time and she was afraid to tell him/or anyone of her pregnancy. She gives birth (much like the movie) when Darth Vader is born. Now, Vader begins to hunt and exterminate the remaining Jedi, including his old Master Kenobi. Meanwhile, Kenobi discovers Padme has given birth to twins and THEN decides to split them up so Vader cannot find them. On his way to Tatooine, Vader attacks and boards Obi-Wan's ship. Another duel breaks out, where Anakin clearly has the upper hand and nearly defeats the Jedi. Until he hears a baby crying... Somehow he knows, and Kenobi confirms the child is his. As his last act of kindness he sets Obi-wan free and tells him to take his son far away and hide him.. even from himself. (note he has no idea Luke has a twin sister) This makes Vader somewhat of a hero and shows there is a glimpse of hope left in the man. Vader also manages to hide this information for decades until Luke destroys the Death Star. Now that the Emperor know about his son's existence, he must get to Luke before his Master does.
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:53 p.m. CST
I want new comers...
by KyleG
...to write and direct - and blow my mind like the first STARWARS did. That's my perfect scenario.
Nov. 2, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST
animatronicmojo you making me want nolan to do it more
by dioxholsters_scion
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
I actually want Star Wars to focus on mysticism again
by dioxholsters_scion
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
i bet kevin smith regrets retirement
by dioxholsters_scion
what a shit hack they wouldve not let him anywhere near it anyway mainly because hes too fat
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST
A kinder Gentler Vader?
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Isn't this the guy who stood next to Grand Moff Tarkin and destroyed an entire world including millions of children? The prequels sucked but Lucas had to show how that cute little kid became a monster capable of world destruction.
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
Mark Hamill...
by DocOpticus
Start growing a beard and learn how to swordfight. For real this time. Oh, and no whining...
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
Killing kids doesnt belong in Star Wars period.
by Harrison_Snored
Yes, there were children on Alderaan, yes, Vader is a cold-hearted bastard. But c'mon! The prequels hit that note WAY too hard. Especially in a movie with a big cartoon rabbit saying cutesy shit and stepping in poop. There's a subtle art to violence in cinema, and the prequels had no subtlety at all; an offensive disregard.
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST
hey turd
by Harrison_Snored
Of course he was complicit, doesnt mean it was his idea.
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
by ryan
that must be why its a big ol woppin 95 on the tomatormeter. not that i live and die by that fucking site, but my my experience, its usually right. as of late its had its letdowns....prometheus for example. and if you thought jjs reboot was trash, your opinion is worthless to me. shatners the man but the newest film was a good movie with a solid story and great acting. asswipe
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
fucking typos
by ryan
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST
Matthew Vaughn wants to direct it
by Bladerunner751
according to Mark Millar on twitter.
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:52 p.m. CST
by ryan
i love how @wannabedirector is talking unintelligent shit to you about film and then makes the following comment saying FUCKING RZA should direct Star Wars @wannabedirector take your weak wannabe shit and play in it. fucking rza lol my god.
Nov. 2, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST
Disney needs to kill the midiclorian shite, and bring back the mysticism
by iluvsyfy
I have no idea why GL introduced that retarded science into the SW mythos, Yoda thought it was shite too. Perhaps the fact it was becoming a real religion and growing in numbers was unsettling him and he wanted to curb the enthusiasm. So first off Disney needs to bring back the mystery and mysticism. Also they need to open up a Jedi Academy in mouseland where fans of all ages can experience JEdi training first hand.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:02 p.m. CST
How about a reboot?
by DocOpticus
Can we handle that? I'd love to see it. Starting with Episode 1. Darker and edgier.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:03 p.m. CST
Killing planets and entire civilizations doesn't belong in Star Wars period
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Yes, there were a few brats killed in the Jedi Temple in ROTS and yes some kids probably died along with the other Tusken Raiders. But c'mon! The original trilogy hit that note WAY too hard. Especially in a movie with a big cute hairy Wookie and a little droid making beeps and whistles. There's a subtle art to violence in cinema but when genocide is proudly strutted about on screen then there is an utter disregard for what is prim and proper in this modern society. I SAY BURN LUCAS AT A STAKE AND REDIT A NEW HOPE TO HAVE ALDERAAN SPRAY PAINTED INSTEAD OF DESTROYED. <I can't believe how whacked out people get about Star Wars>
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST
I'm probably the only talkbacker in the house who's not a fan of Matthew Vaughn
by Hardboiled Wonderland
I hated Kick Ass.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:06 p.m. CST
docopticus : No reboot
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
We all want Episode I out of our thoughts and remaking A New Hope (IMHO) would not fly with people. That is like remaking The Godfather.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:07 p.m. CST
obiwanna, hows your day going?
by Harrison_Snored
I like your hair. Your opinions are a little sarcastic for my taste.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:08 p.m. CST
killing a planet is sci-fi
by Harrison_Snored
killing a child is uncomfortable to see at the very least.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
by DocOpticus
it all needs to be redone! I know how important the originals are but it's time to make all the movies work as a whole. We have a great story. Sure some chapters are shit, but someone needs to knock it out of the park. Ep1: Blomkamp Ep2: Cuaron Ep3: Tartakovsky (fuck yes) Ep4: Whedon Ep5: Zemekis Ep6: Wachowskis Ep7-9: I don't fekkin know...
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
Stae Wars prquels now being criticized for being too violent? BWAHAHAHA!!!!
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Hmmm..did we SEE the kids getting murdered? No....we saw Anakin/Vader igniting a lightsaber, then a cut to something else. How exactly is that not 'subtle'? As for the big rabbit stepping in shite? That wasn't in this film. That was in The Phantom Menace, and one of the best things about the prequels is how they progressed from the colorful childishness of Menace - a very kiddie oriented film - to a point where the lil' tyke screaming 'yiiippppee' was now killing kids himself and throttling his wife. Very bold and subversive move by Lucas, and I applaud him for having the balls to pull that off, despite what other failings the movies might have had. Lucas should have had Jar Jar offed in Sith to compound this point, cut down trying to heroically save Padme. The people who wished the character's demise in Menace would have got their wish, and would have found that their desires were misguided. That would have added to the subversiveness of the prequels, to have this big, annoying, goofy character (that the kids in the audience actually liked, if not the 30 something fanboys) horribly killed, in a different context that would have made you think twice about him.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
harrison_snored seems too fixated on child killing
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Is there something you want to tell us? Why the constant posts about killing kids? To me that is kinda sick to constantly harp on the subject. I really didn't think much about the subject until your constant posts.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:33 p.m. CST
Turd : Killing Jar Jar would have been priceless
by Obi Wanna Cannoli
Instead we still see him in the Clone Wars...
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
Don't worry AssPickleLives ...
by DrMorbius
there's a possibility that Lucas read your script and there'll be a planet named Cabrona, populated by Fauns and assor- ted goatlike creatures to sate your onanistic cravings.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:50 p.m. CST
heres the star wars people want to see
by dioxholsters_scion
Han Solos kid is part of a new movemnent against Luke's jedi school. Some people see jedi as a negative force in politics and would like to see it end. Luke isnt the goody two shoes he was decades ago, his influence is great and tries be more like yoda but some see him as just like his father. Hes not too popular. hmm I need to give this more thought.
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:55 p.m. CST
he owes the fans
by ShoreGrey
We want everything to be just like the roginals...same characters, same costumes, same ships, same aliens, same film stock, same frame rate, same animated special effects
Nov. 2, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
he owes the fans
by ShoreGrey
fuck it, I used quotes like a dumb-ass and lost my post. Fuck you AICN. My point being they don't owe you jack shit and you would complain about a movies just like the original being too same-ish. Also more practical effects, less CGI with both being icing on the cake and augmenting the story, not telling it.
Nov. 2, 2012, 9 p.m. CST
Movies have moved on
by ShoreGrey
Why can't you? Oh thats right...because you are an emotionally stunted, neck-bearded man-child that can't let go of their youth and grow the fuck up.
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:20 p.m. CST
Midichlorians are the NOT the Force, but mere messengers of it...
by Dan
READ IT and learn it...it's different in the original movies because Luke fears it, respects it. Anakin does not, he sees it as a tool, something to attack with, for his own benefit... its just a piece of biology. Qui-gon doesnt get all mysticism with him because there is no reason to! Midis work because they show how caviler the Jedis became and how blindsided they were with Anakin's darkside turn... Why is this hard to understand?
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:30 p.m. CST
scirocco, I think you just earned dumbest comeback of the day. Maybe the week.
by one9deuce
Next time you try to be smart abut your atempts at criticisin
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST
I'll go on record, feel free to disagree
by Harrison_Snored
I didn't enjoy the prequels.
Nov. 2, 2012, 9:58 p.m. CST
FUCK! Quotations ruined my post.
by one9deuce
I'll just retype it. If you're going to attack my intelligence scirocco, don't do it with this sentence: Next time you try to be smart abut your atempts at criticisin You misspelled three fucking words in one half of a sentence! And since you're on the internet, you're on a computer, tablet, or phone. Which means that you have spell-check, which is idiot proof. Well, ALMOST idiot proof. And congratulations, you can use Google and bring up some facts. The problem is that you didn't refute what I said. I never said that Darth Vader wasn't responsible for the death of children. In fact, it's a 100% certainty that he is since he was complicit in the destruction of Alderaan. But there is a BIG difference between a military order that results in the death of children, given during a conflict that benefits your side in a war, and actually slaughtering children and having their blood on your hands for NO GOOD REASON other than to show that Anakin is now really eeeeevil. I'll try again. Either read this upcoming sentence or re-read my earlier post and actually comprehend what I said. Darth Vader is a very bad person who is responsible for the deaths of many, including children. He is a villain through and through. He is not a serial killer. Which is how he comes off in Episode II and Episode III. A creepy, whiny, child killer in two separate scenes. harrison_snored, you're spot on. There is a subtle art to violence in cinema, and George Lucas comes off totally ham-fisted in the Prequel Trilogy. Talented directors can make you laugh about someone getting shot in one scene, then make you cringe about someone getting shot in another. Lucas is no longer a talented director and he botched the Prequels on a biblical level.
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST
Very brave of you, harrison, to take such a controversial stance on disliking the prequels. Stick to your guns, maverick.
by Larry_Sanders
Putz. I hope Episode VII is nothing but baby death.
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:14 p.m. CST
Dear following people: Please don't direct a Star Wars movie. Fucking EVER.
by tom
1. Zach Snyder 2. Michael Bay 3. M. Night Shyamalan 4. J.J. Abrams 5. Bryan Singer 6. George Lucas Also, these dicks shouldn't write anything for Star Wars: 1) Abrams 2) Damon Lindelof 3) Orci/Kurtzman 4) Kevin Fucking Smith
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST
hey larry_sanders
by Harrison_Snored
Are you in Los Angeles?
Nov. 2, 2012, 10:43 p.m. CST
theveryfirst - Good list.....