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Running back Jason Snelling is up for today's edition of "Sign" or "Don't' sign."
It's our version of "Deal" or "No Deal" or "Buy" or "Sell."
Here's the Falcons list of free agents:
Justin Blalock, left guard, 4 years
Matt Bryant, kicker, 9 years
Tyson Clabo, right tackle, 6 years
Harvey Dahl, right guard, 4 years
Brent Grimes, cornerback, 3 years
Michael Koenen, punter, 6 years
Stephen Nicholas, linebacker, 4 years
Jerious Norwood, running back, 5 years
Michael Peterson, linebacker, 12 years
Jason Snelling, running back, 4 years
Eric Weems, wide receiver, 3 years
Snelling was a seventh round (244th overall) pick in the 2007 NFL draft.
With the backfield hit with injuries over the last two seasons, Snelling has stepped up.
In 2009, with Michael Turner missing half of the season, Snelling rushed for 613 yards on 142 carries and caught 30 passes for 259 yards.
In 2010, after Jerious Norwood went down in the second game of the season, Snelling finished third on the team with 44 receptions. He finished 627 yards from scrimmage and five touchdowns.
Snelling has made just three starts, but has played in 51 games over four seasons. Overall, he's rushed for 1,042 yards on 257 carries (4.1 yards per carry) and scored seven rushing touchdowns.
Snelling has also caught 82 passes for 651 yards and four touchdowns.
He is valuable for the Falcons because in addition to backing up Turner, he backs up Ovie Mughelli at fullback and is a special teamer.
Snelling is the ninth rated running back in free agency according to ESPN draft analyst Mel Kiper.
KIPER ON SNELLING: "Not the flashiest back around, all Snelling does is produce positive results. He's a very reliable pass catcher and does a nice job with blitz pickup. His ability to see action at both running back and fullback further adds to his value."
If a team views Snelling as a possible starter or as are a major contributor to a rotation, he could receive a lucrative offer that the Falcons may not want to match for a reserve.
So, sign or don't sign.
–D. Orlando Ledbetter, The Atlanta Falcons beat blog
July 13th, 2011
5:39 am
July 13th, 2011
6:22 am
Quality back, hope they can come to terms. You can win with guys like this on your team.
July 13th, 2011
6:55 am
No question… sign… our backs our often injured, he's proven and our draftee back is unproven. Without him we would have to find someone else to back up both running back spots anyway
July 13th, 2011
6:57 am
No he can't but we need to resign him.
July 13th, 2011
7:09 am
Quality guy; good, solid player who contributes many ways. No serious injury problems. He's the kind of guy you want on your team. Let's sign him if we can.
July 13th, 2011
7:14 am
Isn't the answer almost always "yes" if the price is right?
July 13th, 2011
7:32 am
Don't sign. Smelling is going to be exactly that this year.
July 13th, 2011
7:53 am
Why don't we resign Snelling and then trade Turner. I don't see a drop off when he is in for Turner, and IMHO actually see some uptick. Turner would possibly be great bait for a trade for a DE. Just sayin'
July 13th, 2011
8:10 am
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July 13th, 2011
8:12 am
I really like Snelling, but I'm not sure premium money is due there. He runs high and his center of gravity is not low. He has a high center of gravity from watching some practices, in my estimation, which could lead to him being easy to knock down.
If he does not have large holes to hit he sort of goes down easy. Easy relative to the NFL game, of course. That said, he is a great back up, but I would not pay starter money to keep him. Although I really like the dude.
July 13th, 2011
8:33 am
I hope they are smarter thn a fifth grader. Snelling is all right but he does not have that speed to be a starter. Turner has power and speed. He is a fill in guy. No more no less.
July 13th, 2011
8:34 am
More often than not, I've seen Snelling break through top-notch run defenses when Turner couldn't. He almost always gets yardage on every carry, as opposed to Turner's frequent pile-up's at the line when there's a log-jam. He's also able to catch the ball when needed. He's a valuable weapon for the team. When Turner was injured long-term in 09, I thought Snelling brought new life to our running game, energy, and lots of positive yardage to the team. I'm always surprised they don't use him more.
July 13th, 2011
8:43 am
this is a no brainer every team needs a jason snelling he is just a football player, rb, fb hell if we needed him to play lb he coulg probably. Sign him drop jerious and we good
July 13th, 2011
8:44 am
Yes! If they have to get rid of a RB, Norwood would be the one to go because he stays injured.
July 13th, 2011
8:48 am
This was is easy Team (hope to see you in DC in two weeks). Snelling is the X factor for the Falcons, now that they have the rookie Jones. You know how positive I am about Snelling…he play multiple positions, is durable and is a good kid. I would prioritze signing Snelling over anything I would do for Weems (new rules make him ineffective) or Norwood (always hurt).
Snelling is the glue for a team. He is growing into one of the Falcons most trusted assets on offensive.
This is an easy one DOL.
July 13th, 2011
8:49 am
Depends on the price… And, I agree, Norwood can't be depended upon.
July 13th, 2011
9:14 am
Abolutely keep Snelling. He's a hard-nosed runner with good hands out of the backfield. Every time he plays, he gets good yards. Turner may not have a lot of time yet, and dratee Rodgers hasn't proven himself yet. At worst, Snelling is good insurance.
July 13th, 2011
9:15 am
D. Led,
Where can we find Kiper's rankings of FAs to see who he has ranked ahead of Snelling?
July 13th, 2011
9:25 am
Sign…..cut Norwood.
July 13th, 2011
9:35 am
If someone is willing to make Snelling their starter and pay him accordingly then he's gone. The Falcons have a starter and he's mking too much money to pay another the same. If he falls to "back up" value the Falcons should do their very best to not only keep him but rotate him regularly. If the Falcons let anyone go it should be Norwood with the hopes that the rookie Rodgers can fill the role of the quick back you try to get into "space".
July 13th, 2011
9:48 am
Not sure why they call Turner the Burner. He tip toes into the hole on every carry. Should be called Twinkle Toes Turner.
July 13th, 2011
9:56 am
Of course they should keep the best dining hall in Athens.
July 13th, 2011
10:02 am
Sign 'em all and let our highfalutin' offense play keep-away in 2011. Ball control, touchdown drives and onside kicks all day long!
July 13th, 2011
10:04 am
Sign! He's my favorite!
July 13th, 2011
10:11 am
Snelling is our version of Charger's Michael Turner. We let him go, and he will do good things. Then we will be left looking for a replacement in a couple years.
July 13th, 2011
10:13 am
DOL, what the hell? The two answers in the poll are basically the same. "Yes, as long as the price is right. No, if the bidding gets out of hand." – That's really one and the same answer. Can we have another option? I think in this RBBC (running back by committee) driven NFL, even "starting" running backs don't cost that much anymore. Few teams stick to the "workhorse" back approach that we've done with Turner the last three years, and it's time for us to give it up. Let's rotate Turner and Snelling for primary carries, with Jacquizz as a change of pace back. I say pay Snelling "starting in a rotation" money, whatever that is (a few million a year?)
July 13th, 2011
10:17 am
I think he, Rogers & Ovie will be a force in 2012 – If Turner does not lose another 25 lbs or so, he might start this year – and, Snelling can catch!
July 13th, 2011
10:22 am
Absolutely keep him! He is the David Ross of backups.
July 13th, 2011
10:27 am
Absolutely sign him. He is much more valuable then you think.
July 13th, 2011
10:49 am
Snelling does something Turner doesn't. Catch passes. In a two back set with Turner and Snelling if the defense is stacked against the run, Ryan can audible and convert Snelling from a lead blocker to a 3rd or 4th check down receiver. I say unless Snelling is offered No 1 back money, resign and get him more involved in the passing game.
July 13th, 2011
11:15 am
You have to re-sign him. Snelling is easily a champion type of player. He reminds me of a New England Patriot's or Pittsburgh type of player, aka a WINNER. He doesn't seem as if he's high maintenance, and with all the number 1 backs available, I don't see him being offered starter money. He reminds me of Kevin Faulk.
July 13th, 2011
11:21 am
Your poll is the choice between the same option stated two different ways. "Yes if the price is right" is the same thing as "No if the bidding gets out of hand."
Snelling is in a good spot and I hope he continues to do well. I don't see him as a full time starter.
July 13th, 2011
11:28 am
snell has been a blessing for us the past few yrs great pick we can let this go either way due to other backs in camp will all depend on where we are putting the money at this yr we will miss him if he goes but also get comp pick if he starts for another team we win no mater what
July 13th, 2011
11:36 am
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July 13th, 2011
11:38 am
Keep Snelling, let go of Norwood, Keep all linemen, keep Weems as a return man
July 13th, 2011
11:54 am
Snelling is the overall the most complete back we have on the Falcons team. he can run it,he can run it even better when you make him the every down back, more carries the harder and tougher he runs. he can catch it and make good yardage after the catch. he can also pass block and run block with the best fullbacks in the league. Don't forget, great Special teams player. Snelling is the total package hands down, the best back in ATL. The only reason he is not starting is because we have to much money invested in "Turner the 'Twinkle Toes' Burner. I will never forget Snelling single handley beating Tampa Bay in the last game of the 2009/2010 season at Tampa, He ran thru them, over them,caught passes and protected the QB. That's what he can do if given the starting role.
July 13th, 2011
12:34 pm
Snelling not only is a good running back he is great on specials teams player I hope he resigns with the birds
July 13th, 2011
12:37 pm
I agree with whoever hinted towards trading turner for a DE, he isn't getting any younger and Snelling runs better I get so frustrated with all of turners 2 yard gains because Snelling ALWAYS seems to get 6 yard gains. I think it's time to let turner go now that we have young talent to head up the position.
July 13th, 2011
1:10 pm
Keep Snelling, dump Norwood. Easy call.
July 13th, 2011
1:12 pm
Heck yeah sign him and I agree, trade Turner. He's a yoeman's Micheal Turner and produces just as much plus catches passes. He reminds of a Billy Rickman type guy. No flash, just performance. Just think he'll cost a heck of a lot more to keep. He's EVERY BIT as fast as Turner. Truth be told I got sick of watching Turner last year. He has lost a step for whatever reason. Might be that giant butt of his. Him and snelling make a tough ass 4th quarter combo platter.
July 13th, 2011
3:43 pm
I don't think he is starter material, but I do think he is a quality backup. I would sign him, but only if the deal is right. If someone is offering him starter's money, let them have him.
July 14th, 2011
12:51 pm
Thanks for responding DLED. Koenen's question looks much better.


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Great Ape language - real?
So I hear that all great apes can apparently use language and that they understand and use sign language just as humans do [more like children, but they can do it].
So my question is this:
We know great apes, being one of them, have big brains. So maybe they are smart enough to know that if the make a few signs, they will get a reward. Even if they could associate the signs with objects and recombine them to form new words, but how do we know this association is not like pavlov's dog where the association is behavioural and not mental?
Do they truely use language like us, using it for thinking, self reflection, making conscious decisions, feeling, understanding and expressing emotions and so on? If yes, how does it affect our perspective of them as animals? Should we consider them evolutionarily disadvantaged cousins [in a sympathetic way]? If they truely can use language like us, the lines between us and the rest of apes gets very much smudged indeed, doesn't it?
The lines between us and our cousins are usually fairly blurry. The differences are more a matter of degree than of kind.
. . . .and that they understand and use sign language just as humans do [more like children, but they can do it].
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I have often asked whether any deaf humans have participated in this program and so far I've not found an answer. One would think that a human who has always communicated exclusively in ASL would be far better qualified to decide if a non-human is "using it just as humans do."We know great apes, being one of them, have big brains.
Of course this does not rule out the invention of sign language, which requires only the use of hands that were already well-developed. (When Jean Auel began her "Earth's Children" series with Clan of the Cave Bear, it was not yet known that Neanderthals might have had speech, so hers communicate in an elaborate sign language.) Besides, parrot brains have no speech center, but Alex the African Grey was able to compose accurate, meaningful phrases such as "large red key."So maybe they are smart enough to know that if the make a few signs, they will get a reward.Even if they could associate the signs with objects and recombine them to form new words, but how do we know this association is not like pavlov's dog where the association is behavioural and not mental?Do they truly use language like us, using it for thinking, self reflection, making conscious decisions, feeling, understanding and expressing emotions and so on?If yes, how does it affect our perspective of them as animals? Should we consider them evolutionarily disadvantaged cousins [in a sympathetic way]?
Cetaceans obviously communicate with sound. Although we haven't been able to "crack the code" of any species's sounds yet (perhaps because their universe is so different from ours that we don't have very many concepts in common--how many of our idioms contain the word "hand" or "foot"? ), we've discovered that in some species each individual has a name, and that each pod has its own little chant that could be anything from a war cry, to a national anthem, to a ribald marching cadence on the order of "I don't know/But I've been told/Eskimo pie/Is mighty cold/Sound off/One-two/Sound off/Three-Four." The more intelligent-seeming species of whales and dolphins may turn out to be the most intelligent non-human animals.
I don't know about you, but just in case that's true (and even if they're only as intelligent as a gorilla or even my dog) I would really like to see people stop eating them!If they truly can use language like us, the line between us and the rest of apes gets very much smudged indeed, doesn't it?
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Thank you, Fraggle Rocker. Wonderful answer.
Fraggle -
This probably sounds stupid, but I dont get your comparision of them with turing machines [I only know that they erase and write stuff on tapes].
Second, compared to humans, where do they stand? Are they like a 3 yr old only?
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A Turing Machine is a computer that perfectly simulates human conversation and is hidden behind a curtain (or these days it could be via telephone) so no one knows that it's not a human. The point is philosophical: If you ask it any question you can think of, and the answer is indistinguishable from the answer you would get from a human... then does it matter that it's not human? Have we created a perfect artificial human?
My point was that if gorillas or chimpanzees ever completely master ASL, so carrying on a conversation with one feels exactly like carrying on a conversation with a human, does it matter whether they "think" and "use language" exactly the same way we do? (Of course this requires the non-human apes to understand things that are way beyond the capacity of their relatively small brains so using a Turing Machine as an analogy isn't the best way to ask the question.)Second, compared to humans, where do they stand? Are they like a 3 yr old only?
But in general it's difficult to compare the "maturity" of a non-human animal to a human. Of course primates are more similar to us than other mammals, and we assume that they think more like us than they do. But still, many animals don't have our elaborate time sense. Their concept of past-present-future is much more rudimentary than ours, which is key to our entire perception of the world.
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I don't think the comparison of an adult ape to a human child (of any age) is valid.
The content of their thoughts, their concerns and attitudes and emotional responses, will be quite different. Even in an ape that's been removed from hir own society in infancy, and therefore missed the normal training and socializing s/he would require as a functioning ape, this is, at best, an artificially imposed childhood, not a biological one; in no way similar to the development of a human child growing up in human society.
Another significant difference is that, in all of these experiments, it's the ape that must learn - and has learned - human conceptualization and expression, while the (much more intelligent and complex) human has not learned ape language. So, each of these experimental subjects, with a vocabulary of hundreds or a thousand, or whatever number of words, that's in their second or third language: often, they've already learned to understand spoken English (even if their physiology is unequipped to articulate the sounds) before learning ASL - that's either on top of their mother tongue, or instead of.
To understand the language of real apes in the context of real ape life, ask Jane Goodall.
I find it risible that humans are forever measuring and judging the intelligence of other species by how well those species can function in human engineered situations. Nobody asks how well a human would function, how clever a human would appear, if tested in a rat situation or a parrot challenge, or a baboon community. It seems to me, the dogs and chimps have already demonstrated a greater degree of adaptability and tolerance by the very act of attempting to understand our language.
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"Turing machine" most properly refers to a specific computer architecture (the thing with the moving tape) and those devices which are mathematically equivalent in their working to that architecture. In more general sense it can just mean "general purpose computer".
The scenario you're describing is a "Turing test" (the thing with messages from behind a curtain) , which is a method Alan Turing proposed of testing whether an artificial intelligence is functionally equivalent to a human mind, and may or may not have a Turing complete device as the foundation) .
Judging by how often I see new ones, there are a surprising number of terms in the form of "Turing Something" in the fields of computer science and mathematics.
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I think apes can learn languages, but I don't think they can learn to think with more sophistication than their inherited potential, and so they can't use as complex languages as humans.
From my reading of the subject, it seems like they could eventually get a vocabulary as large as ours, but have trouble saying words in the right order in all but simple sentences.
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Hendley's calculations assume that the average person cares only about nominal, time-insensitive returns. That is, that a dollar today is worth a dollar tomorrow. But we economists know (from all of our fancy-pants research) that, generally speaking, that's not how people make decisions. Instead, when most folks make personal-finance decisions, they take into account the time value of money.
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- Your personal time value of money. What could you do with your money today other than put it in this investment? This is somewhat related to opportunity cost, and is very tough to measure on a personal level. We each have a different time value of money: For you, a 1% high-yield savings account may tempt you to save, but your brother may rather spend the money on a new car instead.
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Returning to Hendley's cable bill, it's fine to assume constant rates over time to keep things simple. But to show the real cost of paying out for cable television, you have to work some economic magic. Which I've done for you, using a discounting routine (or a net present value calculation).
What I've done here is take the long-term cost for cable television, and compute a number that tells you what that's worth to you right now if you were to invest the money instead. We need to compare apples to apples. (Or dollars to dollars, in this case.)
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And assuming his personal time value of money — what the cash might be worth to him if used elsewhere — is also 3%, real cost of watching cable for 25 years instead of investing is about $30,000. (If you extend the time-frame to 30 years, that estimated cost grows to over $50,000. Your time-frame matters!)
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When you look at savings in nominal terms — when you look at the raw numbers — you over-emphasize the value of future holdings. The future is uncertain. Inflation gnaws at your money, and consuming today is more pleasurable (and more certain) than consuming later.
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When you do this, you can ask yourself questions like: "Would I rather have $30,000 today or cable television for the next 25 years?" There's no one right answer. It all depends on your time value of money.
Nice article on personal finance that applies the Austrian Economic Theory on time preference and subjective value in case anyone has heard of these.
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You are forgetting to apply the TVM to future price increase. Cable tv will most likely rise in cost along with inflation…therefore, your 30,000 could be more like 60,000.
The mistake that many make with TVM is that they forget to apply it to both sides of the ledger.
@2. We don't know that cable will go up. It might go down because of becoming an "old technology".
Don't forget to add into calculations like this the impact removing something from your life would have (or not have). I use netflix's streaming only service instead of cable, it's $7.99 a month. I watch at most 5-6 hours of tv a week. If I had cable I'd be paying somewhere around $4 for every hour of tv I watched which isn't worth it for me.
A household of more people who watches 40 hours a week of tv cable may be of far more value. Each hour of tv watched would be closer to $0.80.
The other factor is the individual's personal valuation of their cable television service. If cable t.v. is an essential part of their social, home or family life then the service may very well be worth 30k to the individual.
This is really thought-provoking! I was an econ major in college and had never really considered TVM in reverse like that.
How much more is your time worth if you do not watch TV apart from the cable cost?
Just asked my cable company today ( Oceanic in Hawaii) how much a local stations only basic cable would cost a month. $13 Where we live we need cable to get TV snow free but I am thinking of ditching all the extra channels.
Yup… with many of these "wants" you aren't chopping as much out of your future earnings as you might think. The key for my family is reducing outgoing cash flow and the potential impact on financial security. Either a) you have a higher free cash flow every month or b) you can accelerate debt reduction.
@3 Amanda
dmm219 is correct. The article says
"Assuming an annual inflation rate of about 3%…"
Per your logic ("We don't know that cable will go up"), we also don't know that inflation is going to be 3%– we could have deflation, we could have hyperinflation, we could be invaded by China, but this is a simple calculation, not a crystal ball.
If we are assuming 3% inflation (even though "anything could happen" ) it's also reasonable to assume a corresponding rise in cable prices. Otherwise formulas would make no sense since we don't know what the future will bring.
"Cable" in this context is just shorthand for "tv feed". And it's reasonable to assume a price increase for your tv feed. Just because "cable" might be delivered via encrypted WiFi in the future, it doesn't follow that the price of feeding your TV with shows will go down. Also it doesn't follow that if the cost of tv feeds goes down the money won't be spent on future forms of entertainment not available today.
Look at cellphone vs. old landline. While landlines might be cheap, people are likely spending more, not less, on phone bills.
Another case–people are spending less on recorded music today, but they are spending a lot more on music playing hardware/software they didn't need before– including smartphones. And they are spending money on internet fees and data plans instead of records. The cost gets shifted but doesn't go away.
Anyway, it's just reasonable to assume inflation for "cable prices" because in the context of this article this just means, ultimately, superfluous monthly subscriptions, and there is no basis to reasonably assume that superfluous spending should not grow along with inflation. If anything, superfluous spending tends to grow when we get accustomed to it. "Only $25 extra a month to add the deluxe package! What a deal!"– etc.
ps- I'll take $30K today! (or tomorrow, or whenever)
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@El Nerdo & dmm
Please note that there is only so much abstraction I can do in any discussion on the time value of money given a set word limit. Obviously, I made some assumptions.
Two regular typos and what looks like one BIG typo.
@12… Samantha, no need to be so wroth with him… (or was that worth?)
Anyone want to proof read this article and fix the typos?
Considering this is a labor of love, joe, nicole, and samantha, i figure two typos is pretty good for free labor.
I'm not following all of that, but I think I got the main point, money isn't worth as much in the future because of inflation so assuming you will be 10% richer in a year is a mistake.
Where I run off course though is the $30000 today. If I stopped paying for cable I would not have $30000. If I did have 30,000, I could put it in a bond fund earning 3.3%, beat inflation by .3% and use the proceeds to pay for my cable again.
I think what you really did was calculate the value of the $100 (inflation adjusted) perpetuity. i.e. What I'm worth as a paying customer to the Cable company in present value.
What might be a more illustrative technique is going back to your example of the 63k though. I get a bit confused by this whole thing. Lets say I'm 30 years old today. Based on your calculation if I stopped paying for cable I would have 63k when I turned 55. I don't know how long I'm going to live so I want that money to continue to survive inflation adjusted into eternity, which means I can access about 5% of it to continue to beat inflation and keep growing. so that 63k I have is worth 30k in todays dollars, and I can draw 5% of it or $1500/year. Divide that into a monthly allotment, and you get about $130. Which means I can either have my cable today, and work until I die, or forgo my cable today and have my cable (plus maybe a few lattes) from my 55th birthday until I die, and leave my kids an inheritance.
I'm not really sure what that means to me other than that you have to decide if you would rather live for yourself and assume you're not going to live to be 80 years old, or shift your guilt free years from your youth to your old age and leave a little something behind for the kids (or whoever you want to leave it to)
TVM is great for pointing out the flaws in the 0% interest deals for new cars.
@ Jerichohill
Thanks for your work, we all appreciate it, and the spelling nazis contribute nothing to the discussion.
I do think however dmm's suggestion is simple and abstract enough to work into the formula while making it more accurate.
The $100 at 3% annual price increase over 25 years ends up as a $209.38 monthly fee. That's more than double today's price, so it's not a trivial factor in the calculation.
I think the article you refute fails to account for that also (not sure). But if the price of cable goes up from $100 to $105 in a year, people simply pay the increase to keep their service. It's normal behavior.
So in the PV formula, if I understand it correctly, the numerator should be a series of recursive 3% increases to reflect inflation, rather than a simple multiplication. This is important because, as dmm says, compound interest should be accounted for on both sides of the ledger; and with it being the most powerful force in the universe, I'd argue that it can't be ignored without peril– unless I'm missing something in the calculations.
My previous long post (i tend to ramble, i know) was directed at refuting Amanda's argument that "cable prices may go down', not at your article. I didn't mean that you should include every possible factor in the equation.
However, I do support dmm's amendment– I'm for keeping the formula simple, but the refinement of accounting for price increase would be good for science. Cmon, humor us nerds.
Cable prices historically have increased faster than the overall rate of inflation.
Here what used to be 40 channels for $15/month is now 70 channels – for $60/month.
I would expect that trend to continue.
A year ago I chose to hang an outdoor antenna indoors, simply pointing out the window, and I now get all locals plus a couple of stations 60 miles away.
I buy other shows I want commercial-free via iTunes or from Amazon's Unbox.
My wife and I have gone off and on cable for the past several years. The real issue with most things has more to do with the value (or marginal utility as economists might say?) than anything else….in most instances. During football season I find cable to be worth the price each month. Otherwise, I generally do not. The only issue for us is that there is no good way to get basic where we live, so if you go off paid tv you pretty much have no television at all. With the internet and some simple wiring that is not such a big deal anymore.
I dunno, when I get called on a typo, I just fix it. I don't really see any need to attack folks who point them out, especially when they're kind of funny typos.
Thank you for fixing them, btw.
I've never seen or paid a cable bill in the US… but do ya'll really pay $100 a month for cable? Or is that amount just aiming towards the high end for the purpose of the original article?
In Mexico I pay $27 a month for satellite service with about 100 channels.
@ Nicole – ok, typos are fixable, but only worth bothering with them when they confuse meaning, and when someone comes on the blog just to scream "Typo!" everywhere without saying anything else (not just in this thread), it's a little irking, kinda like "cacao!" in Portlandia.
^^ now that's funny (parental guidance required)
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I didn't read the original article, but this is still very timely. I just contacted my cable company earlier this week to get rid of the signal I was getting. Currently, I pay 86 a month for cable tv (no digital box) and cable internet. I will drop this by 50 bucks a month by removing the television. In it's place, I bought an HD Antenna (originally 80, got it for 45 because the box was opened. Lifetime warranty) and netflix with 1 DVD. That's a savings of $40 a year and $480 a year! Plus, since I live in the Philly area, I got almost 40 channels over the air! May not be a viable option for someone living in the boonies, but it sure makes sense for myself and my girlfriend.
I don't think it's worth 50 bucks a month to watch king of queens, everybody loves ramond, and law and order (or filler TV as I like to call it).
Not to hijack this thread, but if at least three people noticed an error, shouldn't it be pointed out? If it takes just a little bit out of the experience, then shouldn't it be fixed for later readers?
I freely admit that I have nothing to contribute to this discussion, I found it a little difficult to follow, but if I have something to contribute to readability, then I will.
Again… not trying to say that anything's bad, just trying to be helpful!
sorry if i was harsh, i just felt people were ganging up on the guy and i guess felt compelled to come to his defense (not that he needs it– it's just an instinct of mine). ok, let's all be friends again.
Rather than considering the PRESENT VALUE, wouldn't it make more sense to consider the FUTURE VALUE?
Because of the time value of money, that cable TV is likely to take a far bigger bite out of your retirement than the $130k suggests. It could easily force you to work an additional one or two years, or alternatively cut your retirement income by $5k-$10k/year. Try running the numbers on that one?
These monthly bills add up very rapidly.
Yeah, to the typo folks (Samantha is one, but there were 3 in a row which was irksome), really folks, as the author I don't actually post the darn thing. It was submitted and revised by someone who is not me. The typos (which I do not know what they were) may have been my hand or someone else's.
The typo comments added nothing, because they didn't state where the typo was. Further, while I admin the forums, I have no control over the editing of posts, as is true of my guest authors on this blog. So, yeah.
@TF in Boston
The formula I used accounted for what you could get if you invested the money at a fixed rate (I assumed a real rate of 5%). Thus, the future value of money was accounted for, because I treated the 100 stream of payments as instead a stream of investments.
Further, I think you miss a point in that 100 dollars today and 100 dollars in 30 years are not the same worth. The 100 dollars in 30 years are substantially worth less due to the insidious hand of inflation
If you just shop around for a good and cheap TV provider you wouldn't spend more than $45.00 a month. I work for DISH Network and they have their lowest package starting at $44.99 a month, and that's without any promotional offers. Cable companies are a lot higher in pricing than DISH. That package is 120 channels. So shopping around would make a huge difference in the price you pay for TV.
Neat example. Of course all varies depending on your assumptions. Like that 10% return or the 3% rate of inflation.
What it all boils down to is one's awareness of choices. If you "go with the flow" and spend your money with abandon on whatever fancies you (and usually it's influenced by ads and example of people that surround you) then not knowing how your money go down the drain and you are left with no assets to pursue your own dreams. And the stuff you purchased turns into ash in your hands as it turns out that you don't value it after all and it's junk for you.
The perceived value of return for money is then not zero but negative because you can't stop thinking what you could buy for it instead of that junk in your hands. Of course we are masters of illusion and so we pretend before others that that's what we wanted all along. Sometimes we even believe in it ourselves.
We buy into lifestyles presented to us on ads on TV – a classy house, classy furniture, stylish clothes etc. Once you buy one thing you tend to buy another simply because it's a missing jigsaw piece to the "lifestyle" you bought into.
What escapes many is that it's not their lifestyle, or rather it's not a kind of life they want. If you take note of the TV adverts you can see that they all connect happy people with an advertised product. That's it! What we want is to be happy, but we associate the happiness with the wrong things because we are so conditioned by our commercialized culture.
What I wanted to say is, the biggest return for money is happiness. Use your money wisely, with awareness what gives you happiness and what not. If for example you're most happy spending time with your children, use the money to be able to spend more time with your children, and avoid situation when earning money drags you away from that.
When you act with this awareness, you get the best return for money every time.


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McCarthy talks Hayward, Sherrod, other injuriesPosted by on October 10, 2013 – 4:48 pm
Packers CB Casey Hayward, who has yet to play this season due to a hamstring injury, was back on the practice field on Thursday in full pads for the second straight week. He was a limited participant.
After returning to practice last Thursday, Hayward experienced soreness and was held out of practice for a full week, and Mike McCarthy was pleased with the progress he saw.
"I thought he looked good today. He was bouncing around, had a smile on his face," McCarthy said. "I think he's getting close. His exam tomorrow will be important. Last week, he was very sore, so he wasn't ready. We'll see what tomorrow brings."
This is the first week that Hayward hasn't been ruled "out" for the game on the injury report. That doesn't mean he'll play this week, but it's a sign he's on track to return soon, barring any setbacks.
In other injury news, DE Ryan Pickett was added to the injury report with a bruised hand, but he returned to practice after getting it looked at and said he'll be fine. Pickett said nothing was broken.
"Just a little ice and I'll be ready to go Sunday," he said. "Of course they checked it out, so I'm good. Everything's good. Just beat up a little bit."
Rookie OLB Andy Mulumba (ankle) missed his second day of practice this week, but McCarthy is still holding out hope he can practice on Friday and be active for the game. Without Clay Matthews, the Packers only have three healthy OLBs at the moment in Nick Perry, Mike Neal and rookie Nate Palmer.
RB James Starks (knee) is out this week, but McCarthy is encouraged by what he's seen in Starks' rehab. "I don't think it's going to be as long as some of the past injuries," he said.
Finally, T Derek Sherrod is getting ready to come off the PUP list. McCarthy didn't confirm that he will come off the list next week, when he and the rest of the PUP players are first eligible, but he does expect Sherrod to be able to play this season.
Sherrod, the Packers' 2011 first-round draft pick, broke multiple bones in his lower leg in Week 15 of 2011 at Kansas City and missed all of last season, plus all of training camp this past summer. McCarthy felt that when the regular season started, he could see Sherrod getting closer to returning to the field.
"I really felt at the end of training camp his workouts went to a different level," McCarthy said. "He's in excellent shape. He's obviously a lot stronger than he was this time last year. As I've stated, it was a very, very serious injury. He needed the extra time. He looks good. He's champing at the bit.
"The next hurdle is he needs to get in pads, and once he gets over that hurdle, I think he'll be ready to go."
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By Kenn on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
Is anyone else concerned that this year's 1st round pick, ( jones) has had very little impact. You never hear his name called or see him make a play!
In fact last years 1st rnd pick ( perry ) has also been a disappointment ..
Along with Sherrod & the Defensive lineman from Tenn. from 2010 all have been a major bust for TT…….
By Dennis on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
Its encouraging to see Sherrod getting close. I hope he'll come off his injury on fire, and become the best left tackle ever haha. We'll see.
By Corky on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
Perry a disappointment? He spend all that time on IR and still is impacting the game this year. Sherrod is coming off a horrendous injury. What do you want from him? Most people would be lucky to walk and he's looking to come back and play football.
By OKGOPACK on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
Agree with Corky, injuries are a part of the game, but you can't predict them, can you? And I have confidence in Datone, he's holding his own, when the game slows down for him, look out!
By DaGrise on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
It'd be nice to see Sherrod recover enough to get a legitimate shot at reaching his athletic potential. He seems like a great young man.
By Fireman on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
I wonder about Datone Joes too. One tackle so far does not seem like much. On the NFL website Gil Brandt had him listed as disappointing.
By Kenn on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
I understand injuries are part of game and no I nor anyone can project them, however the young man from tenn. was injured when TT drafted him.
As far as Nick Perry he has not been injured this year & coaching staff must feel the same. He did not start vs the lions, would like to see more out of 1st rounders is all I'm trying to say…..
By Montanapackfan on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
How is it I read the packers website every morning and yet have to search the net to find out Mathews is out for a month????
By EasyMoney on Oct 10, 2013 | Reply
He didn't start and he still had 2 sacks and a forced fumble.
what do you want from him kenn? 4 sacks a game? 3 forced fumbles and a INT??
By Deerlakejens on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
Did you know Bart Starr missed his senior season with injuries but the Pack drafted him anyway? Most Packer fans think that turned out okay. Today, these guys get checked over by every teams medical staff before the draft, so if you need someone to blame, blame the doctors who cleared them.
By packerhead on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
Tried reply but won't work… Re: Kenn… when was the last time we blocked an extra point? Don't worry about Datone… he'll be a huge impact player. The impatience in this country seems to be leaking into Packernation lately!
By rak43 on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
I understand wanting to see more out of first rounders, especially a top 5 pick. I've been waiting 8 years for AJ Hawk to show he was worth even a second rounder, but no luck so far.
By packrfan4 on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
Perry was starting to flash last year but then got hurt. Remember that sack and forced fumble at Indy last year that was negated by a bad call?
By sudsman on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
Who is this defensive lineman from Tennessee who was a major bust? We didn't draft a DL from Tennessee in 2010.
And given their unfortunate injuries, it is WAY too early to call Sherrod and Perry "major busts for TT." You don't know what you're talking about.
By sudsman on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
Oh, Justin Harrell. Yes, HE was a major bust. But that was in 2007.
By Warren on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
By John on Oct 11, 2013 | Reply
Perry & Sherrod were good choices…but Murphy's alive & well. I bet Clay M. isn't back in 4 weeks…look up a pinned Bennett's fracture…nasty.
By Dale Tietjen on Oct 13, 2013 | Reply
Wanting any one player to shine regularly misses the point. Look what happened when Detroit was without one star WR last week. What matters is how all 53 players work in concert.
By KyPackerFan on Oct 13, 2013 | Reply
MontanaPackFan: They tent to be very tight lipped here sometimes. Also look at up PackerNews published in the GreenBay Press-Gazitte. They have info like this a lot more often and faster than you will see it here.
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