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Brief Summary
Common Palm Civets (Paradoxurus hermaphroditus) are widely distributed across South and Southeast Asia. There are scattered records from Sulawesi, the Moluccas, Timor, and the Aru Islands and they may be present in Papua New Guinea. They were introduced to Japan in the late 1800s.
This is a small civet with a grayish or rusty body, brown or black spots and stripes, a dark mask, and a long tail. The head and body are 42 to 71 cm long with a tail of 33 to 66 cm; weight is 2 to 5 kg. The body size of individuals on islands, notably Borneo, is smaller than on the mainland. The head pattern is highly variable, but generally consists of a dark mask with pale patches below the eyes, on the forehead, and at the bases of the ears.
Common Palm Civets occur in a range of habitats up to 2400 m, including evergreen and deciduous forests (both primary and secondary), plantations, and around human dwellings and settlements. They are mainly frugivorous, but also eat small vertebrates and invertebrates. They are solitary, nocturnal, and largely arboreal, spending the day in trees--and sometimes in buildings. Common Palm Civets deposit their scat, the contents of which can have commercial value as the source of "civet coffee", on the ground and on tree branches.
Breeding seems to occur throughout the year, with a litter size of two to five young. In captivity, gestation is 61 to 63 days. Newborns weigh 69 to 102 g and are born with their eyes closed. They reach sexual maturity at 11 to 12 months.
Although this species is widespread and generally common, population density may be lower in secodary forest than in primary forest. Common Palm Civets are often considered pests by fruit farmers and killed. They are also trapped and traded for meat and are sometimes kept as pets and used as rat catchers (which may explain their introduction to some areas). The subspecies (sometimes considered a distinct species) on the Mentawai Islands in Indonesia may be under threat due to commercial logging.
(Jennings and Veron 2009 and references therein)
- Jennings, A.P. and G. Veron. 2009. Viverridae (Civets, Genets, and Oyans). Pp. 174-232 in: Wilson, D.E. and Mittermeier, R.A., eds. Handbook of the Mammals of the World. Volume 2. Hoofed Mammals. Lynx Edicions, Barcelona.
Comprehensive Description
Range Description
It was also introduced to Japan in the late 1800s, and still persists there today (S. Roy in litt. 2006). It has also been recorded from the islands of Bawean (Indonesia), Con Son (Viet Nam), Koh Samui (Thailand), Koh yao (Thailand), Samar (Philippines), and Telebon (Thailand) (Meiri, 2005), in addition to many others (Pocock 1939). Paradoxurus lignicolor (included in Paradoxurus hermaphroditus by Wilson and Reeder 2005) was recorded by Abegg (2003) on Siberut of the Mentawai Islands of Indonesia.
In addition it has been found on the Philippine islands of Biliran, Maripipi (Rickart et al. 1993) Mindoro, Catanduanes (Heaney et al. 1991), Cebu, Masbate, Polillo, Ilin, Samar, Dumaran and Panay (Timm and Birney 1980; Lastimosa pers. comm.).
Geographic Range
Paradoxurus hermaphroditus is found from Kashmir in the west to the Philippines in the east; from southern China and the Himalayas in the north to the Greater Sundas and many lesser Sunda Islands in the south.
Biogeographic Regions: oriental (Native )
Physical Description
Physical Description
Average mass: 3100 g.
Average basal metabolic rate: 5.534 W.
Habitat and Ecology
In the Philippines the species has been recorded in agricultural (including coffee plantations) and forested areas from sea level up to at least 2,400 m asl (Balete and Heaney in press, Heaney et al. 1991 in press, Hoogstraal 1951, Rabor 1986, Thomas 1898) and in montane and mossy forest from 925-2150 m asl in Balbalasang, Kalinga Province (Heaney et al.
In Lao PDR, this species has been found in all habitats surveyed, from Mekong lowlands to montane areas, evergreen to deciduous forest to scrub (Duckworth et al. 1999). This species is adapted for forest living, yet it tolerates living in areas near humans; sleeping in barns, drains, or roofs during the day, and coming out at night to catch rats or forage for mango, coffee, pineapples, melons, and bananas, it also eats insects and mollusks (Lekagul and McNeely 1977). In Myanmar, it was recorded in mixed deciduous forest and a wide range of evergreen forest-dominated sites (Su Su, 2005, than Zaw et al. in press). This species was recorded in primary lowland rainforest in Tawau Hills National Park in Borneo by Wells et al. (2005). All Bornean civets (except Diplogale hosei) have been recorded in disturbed forest areas, though abundance declines in this habitat (Heydon and Bulloh, 1996; Colon, 2002; pers. comm.). It was recorded in disturbed habitat in Malaysia by Ratnam et al. (1995). It was recorded in secondary forest, that was logged in the 1970s, and which surrounds a palm estate, in Malaysia in 2000-01 by Azlan (2003). This species is largely arboreal (Payne et al. 1985), crepuscular (Azlan, 2005) and nocturnal (e.g. Duckworth 1997). There is interesting variation across its mainland range in habitat use. In Lao PDR it occurs commonly deep within old-growth evergreen and semi-evergreen forest (Duckworth 1997) but it seems to avoid such habitat in the Western Ghats (Mudappa in press).
- Terrestrial
Palm civets live in tropical forested habitats.
Terrestrial Biomes: rainforest
Trophic Strategy
Food Habits
Palm civets are primarily frugivorous, feeding on berries and pulpy fruits, including those of Ficus trees and palms. P. hermaphroditus is said to pick its fruit carefully, apparently leaving the less ripe fruit for a later date. Palm civets will eat reptiles, eggs, and insects as well.
Paradoxurus hermaphroditus sometimes feeds on the fruits of coffee trees. The coffee beans (seeds) pass through the digestive tract of these civets whole and are collected by humans for use in coffee. This kind of coffee is sought after for its unusual flavor and for its rarity. It was once a regional specialty but is now marketed in high end coffee markets worldwide.
Life History and Behavior
Life Expectancy
Average lifespan
Status: captivity: 22.4 years.
Average lifespan
Status: wild: 22.0 years.
Lifespan, longevity, and ageing
During brief periods of mating and when the females have their young, the civets occupy resting trees together.
Average birth mass: 88.65 g.
Average gestation period: 60 days.
Average number of offspring: 3.4.
Average age at sexual or reproductive maturity (female)
Sex: female: 341 days.
Conservation Status
IUCN Red List Assessment
Red List Category
Red List Criteria
Year Assessed
Palm civets are persecuted by fruit agriculturalists. Their habitats are also threatened.
US Federal List: no special status
CITES: no special status
IUCN Red List of Threatened Species: least concern
Population Trend
Conservation Actions
Relevance to Humans and Ecosystems
Economic Importance for Humans: Negative
Palm civets are sometimes considered pests to fruit plantations.
Economic Importance for Humans: Positive
Palm civets disperse the seeds of the trees on which they feed.
Asian palm civet
The Asian palm civet (Paradoxurus hermaphroditus), also called toddy cat, is a small member of the Viverridae family native to South and Southeast Asia. In 2008, the IUCN classified the species as Least Concern as it is tolerant of a broad range of habitats. It is widely distributed with large populations that in 2008 were thought unlikely to be declining.[2] In 2012, it was suggested that recent increases in capturing the animals for Kopi Luwak production may constitute a significant threat to wild civet populations.[3]
The Asian palm civet is a small, mottled gray and black viverrid weighing 2 to 5 kg (4.4 to 11.0 lb). It has a body length of about 53 cm (21 in) with a 48 cm (19 in) long tail. Its long, stocky body is covered with coarse, shaggy hair that is usually greyish in color. There is a white mask across the forehead, a small white patch under each eye, a white spot on each side of the nostrils, and a narrow dark line between the eyes. The muzzle, ears, lower legs, and distal half of the tail are black, with three rows of black markings on the body. The tail is without rings, unlike in similar civet species. Anal scent glands emit a nauseating secretion as a chemical defense when threatened or upset.[4] Despite its species name hermaphroditus, the civets (like all other mammals) have two distinct sexes and are not hermaphrodites.
Distribution and habitat[edit]
Asian palm civets are native to India, Nepal, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Singapore, Peninsular Malaysia, Sabah, Sarawak, Brunei Darussalam, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, China, Philippines and the Indonesian islands of Sumatra, Java, Kalimantan, Bawean and Siberut. They were introduced to Irian Jaya, the Lesser Sunda Islands, Maluku, Sulawesi and Japan. In Papua New Guinea, their presence is uncertain.[2]
They normally inhabit primary forests, but also occur at lower densities in secondary and selectively logged forest.[5]
They also inhabit parks and suburban gardens with mature fruit trees, fig trees and undisturbed vegetation. Their sharp claws allow them to climb trees and house gutters. In most parts of Sri Lanka, palm civets are considered a nuisance since they litter in ceilings and attics of common households, and make loud noises fighting and moving about at night.
Ecology and behaviour[edit]
Asian palm civets are believed to lead a solitary lifestyle, except for brief periods during mating. They are both terrestrial and arboreal, showing nocturnal activity patterns with peaks between late evening until after midnight.[5] They are usually active between 6:00 pm and 4:00 am, being less active during nights when the moon is brightest.[6]
Scent marking behaviour and olfactory response to various excretions such as secretion of the perineal gland, urine and feces differs in males and females. Scent marking by dragging the perineal gland and leaving the secretion on the substrate was most commonly observed in animals of both sexes. The olfactory response varied by duration and depended both on the sex and excretion type. The palm civet can distinguish animal species, sex, and familiar/unfamiliar individuals by the odor of the perineal gland secretion.[7]
Feeding and diet[edit]
Asian palm civets are omnivores utilizing fruits such as berries and pulpy fruits as a major food source, and thus help to maintain tropical forest ecosystems via seed dispersal.[5] They eat chiku, mango, rambutan and coffee, but also small mammals and insects. Ecologically, they fill a similar niche in Asia as common raccoons in North America.[6] They play an important role in the natural regeneration of Pinanga kuhlii and P. zavana palms at Gunung Gede Pangrango National Park.[8] They also feed on palm flower sap, which when fermented becomes toddy, a sweet liquor. Because of this habit they are called the toddy cat.
Due to their solitary and nocturnal habits, little is known about the reproductive processes and behaviour of civets.[9] In March 2010, a pair of palm civets was observed when attempting to mate. The pair copulated on the tree branch for about five minutes. During that period the male mounted the female 4–5 times. After each mounting the pair separated for few moments and repeated the same procedure. After completion of mating, the pair frolicked around for some time, moving from branch to branch on the tree. The animals separated after about six minutes and moved off to different branches and rested there.[10]
In some parts of its range Asian palm civets are hunted for bush meat and the pet trade. In southern China it is extensively hunted and trapped. Dead individuals were found with local tribes in Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu and Agra, Uttar Pradesh in India between 1998 and 2003, where it is killed for its meat.[2] The oil extracted from small pieces of the meat kept in linseed oil in a closed earthen pot and regularly sunned is used indigenously as a cure for scabies.[11]
Kopi Luwak[edit]
Kopi Luwak is coffee prepared using coffee beans that have been subjected to ingestion and fermentation in the gastrointestinal tract of the Asian palm civet, which is called luwak in Indonesia. Caffeine content in both Arabica and Robusta luwak coffee is lower than in unfermented coffee.[12] Large deformation mechanical rheology testing revealed that civet coffee beans are harder and more brittle in nature than their control counterparts indicating that digestive juices enter into the beans and modify the micro-structural properties of these beans. Proteolytic enzymes cause substantial breakdown of storage proteins.[13]
Kopi Luwak is traditionally made from the faeces of wild civets, however, due to it becoming a trendy drink, civets are being increasingly captured from the wild and fed coffee beans to mass-produce this blend. Many of these civets are housed in battery cage systems which have been criticised on animal welfare grounds.[14][15] The impact of the demand for this fashionable coffee on wild civet populations is yet unknown but may constitute a significant threat. In Indonesia, the demand for Asian palm civets appears to be in violation of the quota set for pets.[3]
Paradoxurus hermaphroditus is listed on CITES Appendix III.[2] There is a quota in place in Indonesia, which is largely ignored by hunters and traders and is not enforced by authorities.[16]
Since Peter Simon Pallas's first description published in 1777, a significant number of subspecies have been described between 1820 and 1992. They are listed according to the year of first description:[1]
- P. h. hermaphroditus (Pallas, 1777) — ranges in Sri Lanka and southern India as far north as the Narbada River;[17]
- P. h. bondar (Desmarest, 1820) — was described from Bengal and Nepal Terai;[17]
- P. h. musanga (Raffles, 1821)
- P. h. javanica (Horsfield, 1824)
- P. h. pallasii (Gray, 1832) — was described from the hills of Nepal, and ranges from Nepal, Sikkim, Assam to upper Myanmar;[17]
- P. h. philippinensis (Jourdan, 1837)
- P. h. setosus (Jacquinot and Pucheran, 1853)
- P. h. nictitans (Taylor, 1891) — was described from Odisha;[17]
- P. h. lignicolor (Miller, 1903)
- P. h. minor (Bonhote, 1903)
- P. h. canescens (Lyon, 1907)
- P. h. milleri (Kloss, 1908)
- P. h. kangeanus (Thomas, 1910)
- P. h. sumbanus (Schwarz, 1910)
- P. h. exitus (Schwarz, 1911)
- P. h. cochinensis (Schwarz, 1911)
- P. h. canus (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. pallens (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. parvus (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. pugnax (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. pulcher (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. sacer (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. senex (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. simplex (Miller, 1913)
- P. h. enganus (Lyon, 1916)
- P. h. laotum (Gyldenstolpe, 1917) — was described from Chieng Hai in north-western Thailand, and ranges from Myanmar to Indochina and Hainan;[17]
- P. h. balicus (Sody, 1933)
- P. h. scindiae (Pocock, 1934) — was described from Gwalior, and ranges in central India;[17]
- P. h. vellerosus (Pocock, 1934) — was described from Kashmir;[17]
- P. h. dongfangensis (Corbet and Hill, 1992)
The taxonomic status of these subspecies has not yet been evaluated.[2]
Local names[edit]
- Musang or Alamid in the Philippines;
- Musang in Malaysia and in Indonesia, in latter also Luwak;
- Motit,Amunin in the Gran Cordillera Central mountain range of northern Philippines;
- Punugu Pilli in southwest Andhra Pradesh, South Central India;
- Gondhogokul,Khatash,Vham and other many names in Bengali;
- Marapatti or "മരപ്പട്ടി", translates as 'tree-dog' or 'wood-dog', in the indigenous language of Malayalam in the state of Kerala in southern India;
- Maranai in Tamil, also meaning 'tree-dog' or 'wood-dog';
- Vaniyar ᦠᦲᧃ (IPA: [ɡuj] in Gujarat state;
- " Kandechor" कांदेचोर(meaning 'onion stealer') in Konkan, Maharashtra, India.
- Uguduwa in Sinhala of Sri Lanka;
- Cầy vòi hương in Vietnamese;
- PuLi.ngaa maajjar in Konkani Language;
- Ii Hěn อีเห็น (IPA: [ʔii.hěn]) in Thailand;
- Hěn ເຫັນ (IPA: [hěn])or Ngěn ເຫງັນ (IPA: [ŋěn]) in Laos;
- Hěn ႁဵၼ် (IPA: [hěn]) in Shan of the Shan states, Myanmar;
- Hǐn ᦠᦲᧃ (IPA: [hín]) in Tai Lü of Xishuangbanna, Yunnan, China.
- ^ a b Wozencraft, W. C. (2005). "Order Carnivora". In Wilson, D. E.; Reeder, D. M. Mammal Species of the World (3rd ed.). Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 532–628. ISBN 978-0-8018-8221-0. OCLC 62265494.
- ^ a b c d e f Duckworth, J. W., Widmann P., Custodio, C., Gonzalez, J.C., Jennings, A., Veron, G. (2008). "Paradoxurus hermaphroditus". IUCN Red List of Threatened Species. Version 2013.1. International Union for Conservation of Nature.
- ^ a b Shepherd, C. (2012). "Observations of small carnivores in Jakarta wildlife markets, Indonesia, with notes on trade in Javan Ferret Badger Melogale orientalis and on the increasing demand for Common Palm Civet Paradoxurus hermaphroditus for civet coffee production". Small Carnivore Conservation 47: 38–41.
- ^ Lēkhakun, B., McNeely, J. A. (1977). Mammals of Thailand. Association for the Conservation of Wildlife, Bangkok
- ^ a b c Grassman Jr., L. I. (1998). Movements and fruit selection of two Paradoxurinae species in a dry evergreen forest in Southern Thailand. Small Carnivore Conservation 19: 25–29.
- ^ a b Joshi, A. R., Smith, J. L. D., Cuthbert, F. J. (1995). "Influence of Food Distribution and Predation Pressure on Spacing Behavior in Palm Civets". Journal of Mammalogy (American Society of Mammalogists) 76 (4): 1205–1212. doi:10.2307/1382613. JSTOR 1382613.
- ^ Rozhnov, V. V., Rozhnov, Y. V. (2003). "Roles of Different Types of Excretions in Mediated Communication by Scent Marks of the Common Palm Civet, Paradoxurus hermaphroditus Pallas, 1777 (Mammalia, Carnivora)". Biology Bulletin (MAIK Nauka/Interperiodica) 30 (6): 584–590. doi:10.1023/B:BIBU.0000007715.24555.ed. ISSN 1062-3590.
- ^ Thohari, M., Santosa, Y. (1986). "A preliminary study on the role of civet (Paradoxurus hermaphroditus) in the natural regeneration of palms (Pinanga kuhlii and P. zavana) at Gunung Gede-Pangrango National Park, West Java (Indonesia)". Biotrop Special Publication (Symposium on Forest Regeneration in Southeast Asia, 9–11 May 1984): 151–153.
- ^ Prater, S. H. (1980). The book of Indian animals. Second edition. Bombay Natural History Society, Bombay, India.
- ^ Borah, J. and K. Deka (2011). An observation of Common Palm Civet Paradoxurus hermaphroditus mating. Small Carnivore Conservation 44: 32–33.
- ^ Singh, L. A. K. (1982). "Stomach Contents of a Common Palm Civet, Paradoxurus hermaphroditus (Pallas)". Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society 79 (2): 403–404.
- ^ Mahendradatta, M., Tawali, A. B., Comparison of chemical characteristics and sensory value between luwak coffee and original coffee from Arabica (Coffea arabica L) and Robusta (Coffea canephora L) varieties, Makassar: Food Science and Technology Study Program, Department of Agricultural Technology, Faculty of Agriculture, Hasanuddin University
- ^ Marcone, M. F. (2004). Composition and properties of Indonesian palm civet coffee (Kopi Luwak) and Ethiopian civet coffee. Food Research International 37 (9): 901-912.
- ^ Milman, O. (19 November 2012). "World's most expensive coffee tainted by 'horrific' civet abuse". London: The Guardian, 11 November. Retrieved 25 November 2012.
- ^ Penha, J. (2012). "Excreted by Imprisoned Civets, Kopi Luwak No Longer a Personal Favorite". The Jakarta Globe, 4 August. Retrieved 17 August 2012.
- ^ Shepherd, C. R. (2008). Civets in trade in Medan, North Sumatra, Indonesia (1997–2001) with notes on legal protection. Small Carnivore Conservation 38: 34–36.
- ^ a b c d e f g h Pocock, R. I. (1939). The fauna of British India, including Ceylon and Burma. Mammalia. – Volume 1. Taylor and Francis, London. Pp. 387–415.


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As far as a boning knife is concerned, are you considering a honesuki or a traditional Western désosseur?
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As far as a boning knife is concerned, are you considering a honesuki or a traditional Western désosseur?
Boning knife
he means this.
well I was going to post a picture but, it says i can't post attachments.
Ben means a standard European or American style boning knife.
Thanks Son. Here's a désosseur. It's the traditional French butchering knife - in fact, often the only one used for butchering an entire cow, where others use a scimitar. Very thin, some flex, made of soft steel.
Stiff or semi-flex?
I've seen some who were explicitly flexible, but that seems a little hazardous to me.
The relative flex should come from the thinnesss, not from the alloy, I guess.
I like the boner but it could be a little longer and a tad more flexible.
Devin's scimitar in the middle is a nice width and length. It's a little narrower which makes it more nimble. Although it could use a handle that offers more protection for your hand. The heel has bit me on more than one occasion.
The down side to narrower is it shortens the knife's life span if used and sharpened often. Like the scimitar on the bottom, it's been sharpened a lot with a True Hone two wheel sharpener.


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Paging Rick Sund. Paging Rick Sund. I hope you've enjoyed your vacation, because it might be getting cut just a bit short, what with Jamal Crawford making some noise.
Then again, Sund is not known for being a quick mover in this business. Here's a question for you right out of the gate, though. Will Sund move with near the swiftness in either paying or dealing Jamal, as he did in acquiring him? Of course, such a question comes with some caveats. One is that we don't know whether that trade (in which the Hawks sent guards Acie Law and Speedy Claxton to Golden State for Jamal Crawford) just fell into Sund's lap, or if it was something both the Warriors and the Hawks were planning for some time, or what. Does it really matter? As it stands, Sund is not known for hurrying to make any move (see Josh Smith, Josh Childress, etc), outside of the quick and attractive offer made to Joe Johnson shortly after the free agency period began. Where does Jamal and his demands stand?
So Jamal would rather be somewhere else playing than in Atlanta, if he can't get an extension he finds to his liking? Isn't this the same guy who signed a clause in his contract with Atlanta, stating that he would not opt out of the final year of his contract (that would be THIS year), in the trade that brought him here? Do you think he's being selfish, or is he doing the smart thing from a business standpoint? Is this related to the looming Collective Bargaining Agreement, or is it personal? While you think about that, let's look at the two options Jamal has put on the table, and what either of them could mean for the team.
Do you even have to think about it? Jamal is the reigning Sixth Man of they Year. He averaged roughly 18 points per game, which is no mean feat in the NBA. He was the second option on offense. Not only that, but aside from Joe Johnson, who else on this team is a bonafide scorer/shooter at that level? I'm not talking about just being able to score in the teens. I'm talking about being able to lead a team in scoring. Being able to put up 20 or 30 points on any given night. Being able to take an opponent off the dribble. Being able to create your own shot anywhere inside the half court line. Who else on this team (again, aside from Joe) can do his own thing, and still score 18-20 or more, even on a bad shooting night (i.e. 7 for 21)? Josh Smith? Al Horford? That is the closest you're going to get, and neither of those guys can get to the line enough to make up for bad shooting or a stifling defense. Not yet, anyway.
What happens if Joe Johnson incurs a serious injury? Who then can step up on offense? Mike Bibby? Sure, he has the range and the stroke, but is he still capable of getting those kinds of points for a couple of games? How about five to ten games? Twenty? Can Marvin Williams do it? Do I really have to ask? Lose Jamal, and you put some pressure back on Joe Johnson and the others. Lose Jamal, and you lose some things. You lose a guy who will take and make a long 3-pointer as the buzzer sounds, without flinching. You lose a guy who can excite the crowd. You lose a guy who can energize the team off the bench. Unless of course you think there are others on the bench who can come in and be that potent a threat. Can Mo Evans do that? Without Jamal, is the bench more than a bunch of also-rans?
Pay him more money, are you crazy? We just signed Bibby to a contract before last season, that pays him roughly $6 million per year, and what was the reward? We got to watch his game decline as the year wore on. The same thing could happen with Jamal to some extent, as he is not going to get better as time goes on, not at the age of 29 or 30. Besides, we have two major things going for us – One is Larry Drew's phenomenal offensive approach, which will not be based on isolation plays. Two, we have Jordan Crawford, who is a talent in his own right. And we don't want him to rot away on the bench all season the way Teague nearly did last season, do we?
Look how stacked we are at the shooting guard position. There is Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Mo Evans, and Jordan Crawford. Is this good team balance? How do you divide those minutes up without moving Joe and Jamal to other positions (small forward and point guard, respectively)? Is that efficient use of the team, or will it create matchup problems the Hawks don't want to find themselves in? Also, doesn't this team need a guy more suited to backup small forward? How about a third point guard in case Teague doesn't pan out so well, or struggles all season? What about a better big man that the bench currently boasts? Couldn't moving Jamal address one or more of those positions? Besides, the development of Teague and Jordan Crawford is pivotal for future considerations.
Back to Drew's offense. If the idea is to move the ball around more and make more potent and efficient scorers out of the entire lineup, then will Jamal's scoring prowess be needed at the level it was last season? Would he get the kind of shots and stats that made him Sixth Man of the Year last season? If not, does that diminish his value to the team? This team has one guy who can go into isolation mode if necessary, and will have to learn not to do so on a regular basis. Why keep a second one who might have the exact same issues?
So which route do you think the Hawks should go? Pay Jamal, or trade him….and why? Also, if he's extended, how much should he be paid? The Hawks might want to be careful here, as an extension must also be reached with Al Horford, if the they don't want to play the "watch, then match" game next summer, the way they did with Josh Smith. It's rarely wise to do that with an All-Star player, particularly a young and promising one. Also, what ramifications might this have on the payroll? The Hawks want no part of the luxury tax, Pape Sy may not come over this year (if that buyout doesn't work out), and the 13th roster spot has to be filled at some point.
August 30th, 2010
11:38 pm
I say trade him, Marvin, Bibby, and Josh. Time to start over and stop over paying for BS play. I mean come on. By no means they should have never paid J.J all of that money he could have walked. He is not worth that much. No one on the Hawks team can take over a game by themselves! Then with the Coaching search they should have hired outside of the organization. Spend money on the coaching staff and go from there. How about going after a Center! An stop drafting all of these damn FORWARDS…. OMG the team has more needs else where you know.
August 30th, 2010
11:45 pm
Oh…hello person from 2005.
August 31st, 2010
2:48 am
"Or are we only talking 4th quarter stats? Either way, we would not have won 53 games last year without him producing the way he did in the 31 mpg that he played. And that's what Doc was talking about…"
My take is that we would have won 53 games as well with Flip given the fact that we had an injury free year and Josh and Al evolved significantly.
Jamal's 4th quarter stats may have justified Sund's decision but he did not live to the expectation.
The fact is that the hawks last year were WORSE finishers than in the previous year when bibby still finished games with his clutch shooting.
Again, I'm not saying that Jamal was a disaster, but his presence on court to close tight matches was not positive since his clutch shooting was poor, his PG skills are pedestrian and he defends even worse than Bibby did in 08-09.
Jamal helped us being a better 1st to 3rd quarter team (leading to easy wins) but he was directly connected to our 4th quarter woes.
Plain and simple.
August 31st, 2010
7:30 am
vava, "My take is that we would have won 53 games as well with Flip given the fact that we had an injury free year and Josh and Al evolved significantly."
kidding right, not serious for sure. flip, had a terrible year last year and didnt come close ever to being the player crawford is. maybe crawford didnt win games att he end but he was responsible for some really interesting comebacks and had pleasant nights when jj wasnt doing jack sh!t. flip was special in his year here for the price we paid him. he has also proven to be a journeyman of the first degree.
i am not sure you can put the onus on one player for the fourth quarter blues, vava. jj had his hands on the ball most of those times didnt he? even MC had to agree iso-joe sucked as he did his analysis if you remember. it was a total team failure in the fourth quarter as the whole team faltered and flailed, changing everything they did in the first three quarters into the fourth. it was why i quit going in january, i was sick of it. also i think i remember jj stats deteriorated from the first half to the second half why not also point to that? how many times did he blow up in first quarter looking like it was his night to put up a huge 35 to 40 only to fall back and end up with his usual 25 on 23 shots. look your defamation of jamal on your conjecture is just that, conjecture with no real substance. i'll take it as that. yes i know that jamal is a luxury and not one we can afford next year at this price so i am not arguing that or coming close, just calling it is for what it is.
"finishers" are a quality guy who plays when the game is on the line. it is overlooked by the casual fan but coaches look to it and it is often suggested as a quality for some non-starters by the media. it is what i look for at the beginning of the season on most teams to see the real players to lookf for in the clutch and watch expectantly when my team is playing them with some trepedation. horry was one, powe another in some instances, hated to see them come in late to play my team. these are guys unheralded and not appreciated by those that only look at the game from a fantasy game numbers perspective. for that reason, while i look to stats, i realize they fail to tell all of the story. i really think it is not an obsession and you know exactly what i mean, at least i hope so considering your expansive appreciation and knowledge of the game. if you want to play dumb or devil's advocate so be it, it is what it is.
August 31st, 2010
7:46 am
Part of Jamal's (and the team's) fourth quarter issues are because of Woody. So under LD, it is possible that his clutch stats will improve (just like we are hoping Marvin's numbers will improve under LD).
And I dont think Flip would have had the same effect. Jamal is a better passer and a better scorer than Flip.
As for Sy, nothing against the young fellow who was drafted 57th, but I know very little about him or his game, so I dont have much expectations for him. But LD likes him, and the Hawks could use all the help they can get, so I hope he earns PT.
However, I think it would have made more sense for the team to sign a guy like Rodney Carney (vet minimum) for 1 year, and give Sy another year to develop (whether that's overseas, D-League, or even on the bench as the 15th guy).
But if Sy can beat out Mo, or just provide some perimeter defense, that would be awesome.
August 31st, 2010
8:01 am
The bottom line is that Al Horford has to get paid first so why not package Jamal and Josh Smith for Melo and J.R. Smith as Sekou stated on nba.com Sund needs to come off vacation and close the deal. Melo and his wife would love to return to Atlanta because this is where she lived before taking the job in NYC to work for MTV. I would also try to give them something else as bait to make Denver jump at this offer. Melo, Joe, and Al now thats a big 3 and we would compete with Miami instantly what do you think BIG RAY!!!!!!!!
August 31st, 2010
8:58 am
There goes the money!
August 31st, 2010
10:34 am
how could anyone compare jc to flip. the reason we would fall apart in the 4 th quarter was because jj started hogging the play making the rest of the offense to come to a screaching halt. he is not the man i want to see with the ball with the game on the line. this is probably what caused all the team dissatifaction
August 31st, 2010
10:54 am
Jesus… I was not comparing JC to Flip as individual players.
I was saying that JC was overused and his production in the 4th quarter was sub-par and IMO one of the causes for our poor finishes.
Consequently, I also said that JC was not a real "finisher" in the way that doc has been saying he is in his posts.
He was a "finisher" because Woody made the mistake of playing him down the line when our offense was getting even less structured that it was already by default.
What I also said is that Jamal's excessive minutes accelerated Bibby's deterioration and Bibby's absence at the end of games was ONE of the causes IMO that we had poor finishes.
I also stated that Jamal was crucial in many blow ups, mainly during the first half or the third quarter.
JJ was indeed a culprit himself of excessive ISO plays but his clutch stats prove that – ON AVERAGE – his performance in the last 5 minutes of the game with the score on the line WAS EXCELLENT. Just check http://www.82games.com again and compare with JC's.
I also think that either by jealousy or by simple incompatibility JJ + Crawford was not a tandem to close games as good as was JJ + Bibby in 2008-09.
Bibby is known to be able to find the right spot to receive the pass out of the double team on JJ and he is still a decent pick 'n roll PG.
Jamal is neither of that since he is much less cerebral in finding the right spot to receive the extra pass and is not a playmaker at all.
I like Jamal, he seems to be a stand up guy, but he is not suited to play 30+ games and in my opinion only in set cases should be called to play the last minutes of a tight match (mainly whenever there is the possibility of making substitutions in and out of TOs and FTs interruptions).
August 31st, 2010
10:58 am
30+ minutes
August 31st, 2010
11:23 am
And while we are it, here are Flip's clutch stats for 2008-09 (multiplied per 48 min):
ATL Murray Games37 Minutes78 (+-)29 (+-) +18 FGA 19.7 FG% .406 3ptA 5.5 3pt% .556 FTA 9.2 FT% .730 Points 25.8 Assisted 76% REB 4.3 ASS 2.5 TO 2.5 BLK 1.2 STL 3.7
And Jamal's clutch stats with us in 2009-10:
ATL Crawford Games 36 Minutes143 (+-)45 (+-) +15 FGA 19.1 FG% .246 3ptA 8.4 3pt% .120 FTA 10.1 FT% 86% Points 19.1 Assisted 28% Reb 3.7 Ass 3.7 TO 1.7 Blks 0.0 Stls 1.7
Several striking facts:
FG% and 3pt% by Jamal were atrocious, with a 28% percentage of his points being assisted, which means that ISO Jamal was disastrous in the clutch.
Flip had excellent defensive stats in the clutch, with a lot of his blocks and steals coming during that period whilst Jamal had no blocks and fewer steals.
Flip had more turnovers but rebounded a bit better.
Jamal had more assists.
August 31st, 2010
11:28 am
Correction, SOME stats are per 48min.
And I honestly don't know why there are two (+-) columns and frankly I don't have the time to investigate it now.
August 31st, 2010
11:35 am
And don't get me wrong, last Summer I was all over this blog pointing out Flip's atrocious playoff stats and saying that we should not be worried at all about losing him when we got Jamal.
Now, in retrospect, I believe that our back court lost some toughness with Flip's departure and if we can rely on the stats above (which seem to corroborate a naked eye analysis) we became must weaker defensively by replacing Flip with Jamal.
August 31st, 2010
12:02 pm
well i guess it was my eyes betraying me,because down the stretch of many games with atlanta holding a lead going to the 4th quarter,i would see jj starting to monopolize the ball & taking most of the shots with our lead going down the tubes
August 31st, 2010
12:13 pm
that also happened, but read the stats.
it is customary that we tend to concentrate on the negative and become selective in the information we collect with our own eyes when we have a prejudice against something.
in this case, there is a prejudice common to many hawks fans built against JJ which, although it has a base justifying it, is waaaaaaaaaay exaggerated.
JJ's clutch stats in 2009-10 were terrific.
the problem is that we had no plan B besides some ISO-Jamal opportunities (with the results shown on the stats) and some ISO-Al or ISO-Josh plays – these with pretty decent results (Al shooting .500 from the field and Josh .423 – which includes his bone head jump shots).
Interesting stats:
Josh was the 10th best rebounder in the clutch and Al the 14th best – even playing a switching D which kept them from being nearer of the basket (with 15,7 and 15,4 rebounds per 48 minutes of clutch).
Al had better blocking stats in the clutch than Josh, although only marginally (2,0 to 1,9 blocks per 48 minutes of clutch).
Here I think that the switching D had a huge negative impact.
August 31st, 2010
12:31 pm
You should also look at JJ's turnover stats in the clutch.
I bet that you would swear that he lost many possessions in the clutch running against double and triple teams…
check again and compare with Carmelo, Lebron, Nash, Nowistki, Paul, Roy, Bryant…
he has lower TOs per 48 minutes than all those guys and in relation to some of them its a no contest.
Another funny fact and a testimony that our switching D was abused in the clutch?
Jamal Crawford, of all people, has the best steals average per 48 minutes in the clutch for the Hawks with 1,7…
August 31st, 2010
1:37 pm
vava, you can quote all the stats for the two based on minutes, only flip is a premanant 22 mpg guy and jamal is a 35 mpg guy during their careers. that is where stats lead folks into mistaken arguments. flip has never been in a role to give the kind of minutes jamal had to last year because a certain point guard began to falter named bibby. i imagine flip is not the kind of guy who can give over time like jamal did last year. who could have played the extra 10 to 15 mpg last year that jamal did? flip played well in his role. jamal was superlative doing what he had to do which was to play starter minutes that flip has only done once in his career several years ago.
if i could post both player career summaries you could check it out but i get put into the hold category so here is one:
check flip murray under payer for the other to compare.
they were different years with totally different needs and roles. my guess flip maybe breaks down in some way when asked to perform more and why he has never been called on to do it. i also felt woody had more confidence in jamal than he had in flip, again just my own suspicion. when there is so much data suggesting flip is not a 36 minute guy ever in his career such numbers you project mean absolutely nothing to the reality of what is and 12-14 mpg on avg in the nba is a huge difference. i loved what flip did, dont mistake my sentiments here and gave him a standing o when he came back in another uni.
August 31st, 2010
1:51 pm
John ,
I think taking on JR Smith is a mistake. He has all the talent in the world but can be as streaky as Jamal Crawford. He also has issues off the court (recent ones at that), which can be troublesome and distracting. I also think Carmelo would prefer to be in New York, but that's nothing more than speculation on my part. Having said that, I respect Sekou Smith a great deal, and adding those two current Nugget players makes us VERY dangerous offensively.
On the defensive side of the ball? We'd be worse. For certain.
August 31st, 2010
1:52 pm
Ball Don't Lie has an article saying they don't blame Hawks or Jamal for this trade idea. They'd trade him for a point guard.
I think it's best to wait till after camp to see what shakes out. See who really wants to play and who may have pieces elsewhere before making a decision. He won't hold out…too much at stake…and we lose nothing by waiting, probably gain more. A lot of decisions to make by end of camp. No sense being rash.
like Jamal; it's just business. He doesn't have the chops for defence; we need defence…and we need more point help. It's just business.
August 31st, 2010
1:55 pm
Crawford led the team in scoring 27 times this season and proved a high-caliber finisher.
"Without him, a lot of games, we probably wouldn't have won," guard Joe Johnson said. "I'm very thankful for him."
Yep sounds like jealousy, incompatibility, and a none too great finisher to me. And since we could have done as well with Flip Murray, how come we didn't ? And why didn't HE win SMOY? I'm confused….
Stirrin' the pot…stirrin' the pot…
August 31st, 2010
1:56 pm
wordsmithtom ,
I agree that no hurried moves need be made (unless a nice deal comes along).
August 31st, 2010
1:58 pm
O'brien ,
Sy struggled at times against the better summer league competitors. And sometimes he did okay against them. He is not used to the NBA game, but he appears to have all the necessary physical tools and a level of aggression to go with them. Translation: he'll get Mario West minutes while working hard in practice every day. That's my guess, anyhow. Assuming he's coming over, which has not been officially announced, so I'm holding my breath on that one.
August 31st, 2010
2:22 pm
I think that the per 48 min stat is the most useless and misleading stat there is. What's the purpose of projecting a player production over 48 mins when most players do not play the entire game (48 mins)?
August 31st, 2010
2:30 pm
Ray, Jamal is clearly better than Flip. But I would still take a $1.5M sniper off the bench over a $10M sniper off the bench, because (in a perfect world) I'm getting better value out of the remaining $8.5M from other positions. I don't too much care what the player's name is, on a team with a middling payroll, spending $10M on a bench sniper just doesn't seem prudent especially a one-dimensional player.
Would I have taken 6 less wins last year (with the same playoff outcome) and $10M in cap relief this summer?
August 31st, 2010
3:24 pm
Kelly has a point. Why rush to pay Horford?
August 31st, 2010
3:26 pm
*Why rush to re-sign Horford?
August 31st, 2010
4:24 pm
Melvin, I'm not sure that the Hawks get the same benefit as other teams. It seems to me that Duncan and Kobe were probably far happier with their teams (and prospects for multiple titles) when they were faced with a comparable contract situation. I could be wrong about Kobe… I don't recall if he won a title while still on his rookie deal or not. All I know is that we were the only team to lose an American born lottery pick to a European team during the RFA period. Am I really supposed to assume that the standard for other successful franchises (like the Lakers and Spurs) is the standard for the Hawks?
August 31st, 2010
4:46 pm
But the fact remains that the Horford will be a RFA so the Hawks will have the last right of refusal…..
August 31st, 2010
7:41 pm
the clutch stats I posted are not pure "per 48min" stats like for instance the ones you will see on http://www.nba.com and which useless since a guy who plays 5 minutes of garbage time and averages 3ppg would project as a 28,8 points per 48 minutes player.
These stats are the average stats amassed by players during the last 5 minutes of the game and/or overtime WHEN the result is closer than 6 points (5 or less) which means when the game is on the line. – please read the header explaining this at http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT12.HTM
Then, some of the average stats are multiplied per 48 minutes so you can better compare players who had more minutes in the clutch with players which had less minutes.
I was not stating that JJ and Jamal did not gel due to jealousy, I mentioned that as a "possibility" along with Jamal's poor perception on where to be to get the pass out of the double and triple teams.
Personally I don't think (and never did) that JJ was jealous of Jamal. I simply mentioned that since many do think that.
On the 6th man award: the award is an individual prize and is only collaterally connected with team success.
Difference between 47 — 53 wins (08/09 – 09/10)
Must I mention again that last year we were virtually injury free and that during 2008-09 we lost JJ, Al, Josh and Marvin for significant stretches?????
AND you have the nerve to quote journalists to confirm that he was a good finisher?????? As we all did not know that most journalists merely repeat nonsense after nonsense?
I will post this again and I will continue to do it until you block my IP: http://www.82games.com/0910/CSORT12.HTM
JAMAL EXCELLED MOSTLY DURING THE MID PART OF THE GAMES (and was CRUCIAL IN MANY OCCASIONS AND ONE OF OUR MAIN IGNITORS).
I am not taking anything from him, I am simply battling a miss conception.
The PHO's game winner trey was AN EXCEPTION.
August 31st, 2010
8:50 pm
Ray I had one that didn't make it then was told I was posting a duplicate
Unfortunately by this software can't cut and paste without losing it
August 31st, 2010
8:54 pm
Melvin especially when jc1 has avg mid thirties in his career and flip low twenties. Guess there is a reason? Jc1 took up the slack when Bobby fell off the ability to play extended minutes curve. Flip would not have been able to do this based on his history and jt0 would have been exposed trying to make up the difference.
August 31st, 2010
10:55 pm
Jamal will get an extension. You already know what ure gonna' get.
Al will have to play for pay. He will be signed under the new CBA after signing a contract that the Hawks will match! If, he is an All-Star again?
The price will be steep, but for only three years term. ASkG should wait and see about Horford's money.
August 31st, 2010
11:00 pm
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September 1st, 2010
12:42 am
Astro Joe ,
True, but as you say – "In a perfect world." $10 million in cap relief means what around here? More room to upgrade the team? More room away from luxury tax? What?
September 1st, 2010
1:13 am
Melvin ,
I think Kelly's point is what it usually is: another opportunity to bash the Hawks (both the team and the front office). Trust me, if anything goes sideways with Al Horford and his contract situation, this guy will be first in line to bash us again. He didn't say anything we didn't already know…Hawks could make Horford an offer, or they could let the market do it. Gee whiz, what a concept…
Having said that, the Hawks may have painted themselves into a rough spot when they paid JJ the way they did. Who knows how things will go with Al. The point has nothing to do with whether he is a malcontented type or not. He is a businessman.
September 1st, 2010
2:21 am
The Closer!
Kobe is the Closer.
I have never heardf of the term, The Finisher used in Basketball?
I reckon a finisher is the opposite of a starter?
September 1st, 2010
3:23 am
thanks Ray.
My crusade against Jamal's "finisher" label continues!
September 1st, 2010
7:19 am
Big Ray,
Do I have a post in the blog monster? I tried to post one talking about 3 teams being rebuffed by Rick when he was approached with trade offers for Jamal (BEFORE his pay me or trade me).
As for Al, what is the max the team can offer him right now? 5 years, $82 mil?
Rick has his work cut out for him again. Josh got 5 years, $60 mil, 2 years ago, and last year Rick offered JJ a 4 years, $60 mil extension.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm thinking they will offer Al an extension in the 5 years, $65 mil range.
September 1st, 2010
9:18 am
OB, your proposal for Al sounds about right to me. If Smith received ~$58M after some headache issues (which have since been mostly resolved), then Horford's resume suggests at least a $10M premium. Somewhere between $65M-$70M seems to make sense to me.
Melvin, Dwyer's argument could seemingly be made for every player at this point in their contract. But I disagree. i think there are a few players who fall below the "max" distinction who still should not hit RFA because they are undoubtedly a cornerstone of the franchise.
If the Hawks opt not to offer an extension, I sincerely hope that Sund sits down with Al and has an old fashioned man-to-man talk. Don't let any misperceptions exist and don;t let the agents convey the sentiments from the team. Treat him like an adult, like someone who understands the business side of the industry. Heck, treat him like he is truly the team's leader and deserves a little more dialgoue with the front office than employee #10. There is a way to annoint Horford as the "chosen one" during this off-season without extending his contract. But it all starts with a face-to-face chat.
September 1st, 2010
11:17 am
I understand the clutch stat however, whenever you mutliply a player production over 48 mins it becomes a misleading stat b/c it moves the data away from the true facts. Simply b/c players do not play for 48 mins per game. Hence, your reference to why the 48 min multiplier is used. Those stats make for interesting reading but they are useless… I think my B.S. in Mathematics has taught me a thing or two in statistics…
September 1st, 2010
11:57 am
Melvin, Vava,
Since the ASG's actions (or lack of) have implied that most of the problems last season were due to Woody (directly and indirectly), how much emphasis should we put on the players statistics that were achieved under Woody?
I think there is some grey area there, and given a new coach, and a new offense, it will be different to see the change in the nimbers.
Rick's policy is he usually waits until the player's contract is up. And given the possibility of a more owner friendly CBA (and a possible lockout) on the horizon, he might not offer an extension at all.
If he doesn't offer the extension, I would hope his actions would be along the lines of your 9:18 post.
September 1st, 2010
12:48 pm
Yes dr m b a finisher is the guy you want on the floor at the end of games. It is different from starter and not related to clutch or closer. Often guys start but don't finish. I think the money is on the finisher and is ignored as to their importance to a team. Bobby wasn't a finisher last year a lot of the time, Jamal was as he continued to play starter minutes though coming off the bench. Ginobli finishes doesn't start and plays big minutes when healthy. I want him giving me a chance to win not necessarily to take the last shot.
I think cava is wanting to make this a different discussion. It is about who you want on the floor at the end of a game, a finisher.
September 1st, 2010
1:05 pm
Jamal is a scorer/shooter who shot badly in the clutch
He is a bad defensed and a subpar playmaker.
Why the hell would you want to have him as a finisher?
The only really good stat he brought last year in the clutch was his FT%.
September 1st, 2010
1:09 pm
September 1st, 2010
1:54 pm
yes vava, he drove the ball and got into the lane and got foul shots, which he made. jj cant do that and it is needed in the late parts of games. maybe he should have had that responsibility more often. who else do you want in there vava, bibby or marvin, who both had terrible years offensively and defensively? who did they stop all year? it seems this is more of a personal thing vava. you dont like him, so be it. you wont find value in the guy no matter how many rational efforts are made to you.
he was the sixth man of the year because of his role last year as part of the team that got 53 wins. are you going to argue that and say all the voters are idiots and you are the smartest basketball guy in the world because you disagree with them? i guess in my mind he had to be a finisher. he was not the guy choking the ball as game clocks ticked down when woody went to his prevent offense much like woody hayes went to his three yards and a cloud of dust or smith went to his four corners offense. there lies the problem which we get to see if it is fixed with LD in command.
look, i am not arguing this is the guy we need to sign for a long term huge contract only giving him his due nor do i say let us hitch our wagon to long term, as they say. much as we would have sunk without flip we would have faltered tremendously without jamal there to pull it out on many occasions. flip couldnt have played those minutes as he never has in his career certainly not in his thirties. bibby hadnt gone to the trash heap yet while flip was here is my argument against your silly 48 minute meaningless stats. teague couldnt have competently made up the difference is my guess. jamal was the only guy who could go deep and drive to the basket to get fouls, again maybe that should have been done more often and his talents were wasted as the clock ran down in games. woody's game also got us 53 wins, so it aint bad either. look vava, i get it, you dont like jamal's game. that is fine and i accept that. history is history and the guy won the 6th moy. if that isnt a finisher when a guy is on the court while winning it as the clock ticks down then i will stand wrong.
September 1st, 2010
2:08 pm
Jamal was a finisher for Woody because Woody liked shooters….witness ISO hell. That was then; this is now. If you just look at FT%, Marvin had a better % than Jamal, yet he sat on the bench. With his bulk, FT%, and defence, I'd venture to say MW SHOULD have been a finisher more often than he was.
Again, new coach, new philosophy of ball and player movement. I expect a lot of change this year, but the biggest is the way the offence is run.
September 1st, 2010
2:18 pm
"Jamal was a finisher for Woody because Woody liked shooters.."
Was Josh Childress a shooter b/c I recall him finishing more games than Marvin. I agree with Woody on that perspective, having JChill or Jamal finishing the games over Marvin…
September 1st, 2010
2:20 pm
Speaking of JChill, if the Hawks trade Jamal then I would have preferred to re-sign Chills. However, that is hindsight (or having a plan)…
September 1st, 2010
3:03 pm
JChill is a different kind of player than Jamal. Chill could create his own shot, play defence, as well as weok down low. Jamal is one dimentional, ala Villie Johnson. If he's hot: great. If not, not so. Way too often he stayed in when he was "not so", to the detriment of morale IMHO.
Marvin finished very well when JJ wasn't there. Some say he's soft. Ask Ford if he's soft; ask Rondo if he's soft. He looks awkward, but he's far from soft. And he shoots 90% from the free throw line. That's the kind of player you want at ends of games; guys who can hit that +1.


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The most that EVER happened was ONE blood draw and a shot of demerol, which did NOTHING to decrease the pain. Now ...
When I am sitting on the edge of the ER bed, leaning over, holding my guts in, sweating profusely, and panting like a damn dog from pain because there was no way I could lay down, hell I couldn't even sit still, you would think any moron could determine there was a need for more tests.
So, if your someone is receiving the same quality care I did (that was sarcastic) you need to understand that even if they portray an outside appearance of courage, they are probably scared to death.
That fear doesn't leave simply because the pain subsides.
Your spouse, child or significant other, deep down most likely has a very large feeling of impending doom. Even if they receive quality care they are probably in fear of the next episode and their uncertain future.
If they suffer from complications it is going to be that much worse.
They May Not Want to Be a Burden
They may not want to inconveinence you by asking you to cook them seperate meals from the rest of the family and so they eat what the family eats which is something that will make their pancreas very upset, probably cause more damage, even end their life.
I can't stress that enough so I am going to say it again ...
Most people are much nicer than me. And so when asked if something is ok for dinner (or breakfast or lunch), especially if they love it, they will most likely say: "you bet", eat it and suffer instead of telling you it isn't a good thing for them.
That is WHY, if you love them, you need to know exactly what a Pancreatitis victim should and should not eat. So study my Pancreatitis Diet because it means the difference between your loved one suffering, maybe dying, or living to enjoy more happy memories with you.
Now I am gonna be blunt.
Pay strict attention to my diet regimen.
I haven't written this blog to make money or become famous.
I am simply sharing what has actually worked for me and allowed me to become and stay pain free for the last 16 years except for ONE 3 week period when I was sicker than a dog because I poisoned myself with pork intestines. I did NOT read the label on the turkey sausage as well as I should have. The TURKEY sausage was in "pork casings" and I paid dearly.
If you listen to most doctors, nutritionists, or people on the web who have the condition and are not pain free you are going to keep your loved one suffering, I guarantee it.
I'm a bonafide walking-talking, pain free Chronic Pancreatitis victim and I can vehmently tell you that a strict Pancreatitis diet is absolutely imperative and if you vary from what I share with you on the subject of diet, you are basically poisoning your loved one.
How is that for blunt.
Guess what it ain't over yet cuz I ain't through.
I couldn't careless what doctors say in this regard.
I have read diet information on medical sites that make me cringe!
If people who suffer from Pancreatitis follow the food recommendations of most doctors and patients I have run across on the web it is no frickin' wonder they are still sick and in pain and damn lucky they aren't dead yet.
The NEXT point I want to make is:
If they aren't hungry - don't push food on them!
Loss of appetite is a BIG signal in Pancreatitis.
What it basically means is that the patient's pancreas is not in a good mood and doesn't wish to be disturbed!
Listen to the signal!
IF they are NOT hungry just let them be, don't make them feel bad because you spent hours cooking. It isn't their fault they aren't hungry or not feeling well, in fact, it may be yours because you make them feel they have to eat!
This use to happen to me ALL the time.
So you cooked a great meal.
So it took you hours.
I'm sorry, they are sorry, but get over it, let them be or you are gonna make them sicker than they already are.
For now I have run out of things to say so ...
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After such a long winter, there's one thing we know for sure: it's going to be really difficult to get us to choose an indoor workout over an outdoor one. Even in humidity-high NYC, we want to feel the sunshine while we sweat.
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Hudson River Park Pier 25 in Tribeca: Lole, a global active-wear brand for women, is offering complimentary weekly wellness classes called "meet-ups." From full-body workouts to yoga and dancing, add these meet-ups to your Google Calendar every Tuesday from 6:30 p.m. to 7:30 p.m. Going until August 19th, each workout will be led by popular fitness experts, including NBC's The Biggest Loser trainer Brett Hoebel and Sadie Kurzban. Personally, you may see me trying to bust a move to some 305 Fitness on the July 1st. Sign up here to join.
In Every Borough: Discover Outdoors will invade New York City with its annual Outdoor Rise adventure week. From June 21st through June 27th, they will sponsor more than 50 outdoor events across the boroughs, including kayaking trips, rock climbing ventures, hiking expeditions, and bike rides. While this one isn't completely free, each workout is $5 or less, and the proceeds go to the Discover Outdoors Foundation, a nonprofit organization that benefits underprivileged inner-city youth through outdoor activities and education. We're totally willing to sacrifice one day of Starbucks to help out a good cause and get our sweat on. Sign up here if you are, too.
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Written on July 25, 2013 at 11:12 am , by FITNESS Intern
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The price tag of staying fit got you down? You're not alone. We all know that you have to get a little creative with your workout repertoire if you want to save some cash. That being said, Merrell and Life Time Fitness have decided to make things a little easier…on our schedules and cute summer clutches.
For the very reasonable price of $0.00 (translation: free), these fitness giants are rewarding you for your commitment to staying healthy and happy outside the gym. Classes are offered at over 100 Life Time locations across the country through the end of August, with workouts focusing on using your body to get the physique you've always wanted. Led by Life Time Fitness' certified personal trainers thrice-weekly, you and your friends can kick your summer exercise routines back into high gear without paying a dime (have we mentioned that already?). To find participating locations near you and register for a class, visit their website. It's time to lace up your sneaks, dab on some sunscreen and have sweaty fun in the sun.
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Serious thinker,
I'd like to comment on some of the items you brought up in your response to this commentary.
"If for some reason there is a flaw with Gov. Romney, then we need to know now." I agree. That's exactly why Santorum and Gingrich want him to release years of his tax records now. Neither one believe he has 'cheated' on how much he legally paid. They just want the people to be able to know what he paid those taxes on. Every year, if you are an investor who buys and sells stocks, in particular, your investment firm(s) are required, by federal law, to send you a line item listing of all your transactions. If you are an active investor, you know that each of those lines names the company traded, the date of the purchase, what you originally paid, the date of the sale, the amount you sold it for, and what your taxable profit or loss from the sale was. That's some quite valuable information and totally in line with a question we should ask of our candidates. Gingrich has already released his taxes and Santorum will as soon as he can get to his computer. Romney wants to wait a few months. He could release his previous years' taxes right now as they are already listed and calculated. Something in there he doesn't want us to know? Just askin'.
"Ms. Gingrich reminds me of a lady who has to have a lot of 'things' ...". What the hell does that have to do with Newt becoming president? He's personally bought her everything she has. He was criticized for spending so much. If your husband bought you a $50,000 diamond ring, wouldn't you get quite upset with any of your friends who questioned his judgment?
If you believed that Marianne Gingrich just decided on her own to interview with ABC two days prior to an election that could eliminate Newt from the race, then you are not as much a serious thinker than you might believe. Number 1, why would you believe a 'woman scorned' anyway without any substantiation of her claims on her part (hell hath no fury like a woman scorned), and number 2, that is a long gone part of his past he has apologized and repented for already. It's personal. It has nothing to do with the presidential run.
Another thing you should seriously think about, is that Newt is the only candidate in the race who truly knows the inner workings of the Congress. He may be criticized for 'having an idea a minute' and never getting anything accomplished, but he in fact got 7 of the 10 items in the contract with American passed with a democratic president and a democratic Congress. Do you not believe he can do it again, particulary from the 'bully pulpit'?
Think a little harder before you decide on 'fluff'!
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