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UPDATE: Scroll to end of story for conference call comments by Telecom CEO Simon Moutter, Vodafone NZ CEO Russell Stanners
Telecom, Vodafone and Telstra have signed a memorandum of understanding to build a submarine fibre optic cable between Auckland and Sydney.
The cable will become New Zealand's second major broadband link with the outside world, breaking the 50% Telecom-owned Southern Cross Cable's monopoly.
The "Tasman Global Access" cable will cost "less than $US60 million and be completed by mid to late 2014, Telecom said in a statement this morning.
Lost opportunity
Rod Drury, co-founder of Pacific Fibre, told NBR ONLINE he had mixed feelings about the news.
"The sad thing is that if NZ Inc [government and private enteprise] could have got together, we could have done a step change. This is good, but it's not the vision were were hoping for. It's a lost opportunity."
In an ideal world, he would have preferred a public-private-partnership that saw a new Sydney-Auckland-LA cable running across the Pacific as well as the Tasman, which would have led to what he calls a "real step change."
But a new transtasman cable was still a welcome development for business and home internet users, Mr Drury says.
Not cheaper but faster
Mr Drury did not expect it to lead to cheaper broadband, but he did expect higher data caps for the same money, and better performance.
True competition?
NZ Institute of IT Professionals CEO Paul Matthews also welcomed the news.
"It's excellent to hear of the new NZ-Australia cable. It's essential New Zealand has competition in international connectivity and this will certainly help secure the future," he told NBR ONLINE.
"The only slight hesitation we have is whether it will represent true competition, given Telecom's partial ownership of both cable options - Southern Cross and this one). But if so, this is very good news indeed."
Telecommunications Users Association head Paul Brislen also welcomed the news, but shared Mr Matthews' partial reservation about Telecom's role as an investor in both cables out of NZ: "We'd like to know how that's going to be handled."
Mr Brislen will keep a sharp eye on pricing - but don't look for any formal monitoring. Southern Cross Cable (50% owned by Telecom, 40% by Singtel-Optus and 10% by Verizon) is incorporated in Bermuda. Expect this new joint venture to also be registered in a locale that's safely beyond the Commerce Commission's clutches.
Heading off competition?
Pacific Fibre folded its tent in August last year, having failed in its bid to raise $400 million of a Sydney-Auckland-LA cable.
Following its failure, Mr Dury formally wrote to ICT Minister Amy Adams outlining a public-private partnership for a Pacific cable. Ms Adams gave him a polite but non-committal response
Pacific Fibre's collapse also saw Kordia reanimate its plan for a possible Auckland-Sydney cable. Kordia's logic has always been that if a second cable can be laid to Sydney, the problem of competition will be solved as their are a half dozen cables from Australia up to Asia and the US.
Huawei and Axin have also talked up a transtasman link, while the French-backed Hawaiki put plans back on the table for a cable that would link NZ and Australia with the US via Tahiti.
And of course Kim Dotcom had his own cable dream.
None have got beyond the drawing board. Now, they'll probably be stuck there permanently.
"It's a very smart move by [Telecom CEO Simon] Moutter and the other players which now makes it essentially impossible to justify another cable," Pacific Fibre co-founder Lance Wiggs told NBR.
For price and performance, Mr Wiggs would still like to see a cable laid directly from NZ to the US, where most of the world's websites and services are hosted.
Minister: more content hosted in Austrlia
"The new cable will provide an important step in New Zealand's connectivity, and it also provides the market solution that the government always expected would happen," Information, Communications and Technology Minister Amy Adams said in a statement.
"It is estimated [by Telecom and Vodafone; see RAW DATA below] that about 40% of New Zealand's international traffic is on the transtasman route and this volume is growing more rapidly than traffic on the trans-Pacific route to the US, due to an increasing amount of content being hosted on servers in Australia and Asia."
Moutter: important for redundancy
On a conference call, Telecom CEO Simon Moutter said a second cable made business sense, and was "important for redundancy" (an argument that will bring a wry smile for some, given Telecom has always maintained the Southern Cross Cable.
Ownership, incorporation details ... coming
Mr Moutter said the ownership structure of the joint venture had yet to be finalised but broadly speaking he expected Telecom, Telstra and Vodafone would hold equal shares.
On the same call, Vodafone CEO, Mr Stanners said it had yet to be decided where the joint venture would be incorporated.
Mr Stanners noted Vodafone had recently bought fibre company and network operator Cable & Wireless - however, the new cable would go out to tender after a management team was appointed for the joint venture.
Consents were not seen as a problem. Telecom and Vodafone already had landing sites in NZ, while Telstra could use existing landing sites in Australia.
Mr Stanners told NBR ONLINE, "This didn't exist when Pacific Fibre ended; it's not a fallback," he said. Talks had occured over the past few months.
The Vodafone CEO said he expected cheaper wholesale broadband prices across the Tasman.
"You need two players in the market to be competitive," Mr Stanners said.
Asked if there were wholsale competition issues, given Telecom also owned 50% of Southern Cross, Mr Moutter replied, "No, not at all." Cables are typically owned in what he called a "club arrangements" between telecommunications companies. "This is a very normal arrangement," he said.
Will other ISPs get access?
After the conference call, NBR relayed a reader question Would there be a layer of wholesalers, as with the Southern Cross Cable? Or would ISPs outside Telecom and Vodafone/TelstraClear be otherwise able to buy bandwidth access on the new cable?
A Telecom rep replied:
"Another cable just makes the market more competitive but it's too early to say exactly how that will play out in terms of wholesale arrangements."
Orcon, CallPlus etc are likely to find that a little chilling.
Telecom shares [NZX:TEL] were up 0.67% in early trading.
RAW DATA: Telecom-Vodafone-Telstra statement
Telecom, Vodafone and Telstra announced today they have signed a non-binding memorandum of understanding (MoU) to co-invest in the construction of a new submarine cable between Auckland and Sydney.
The new cable, tentatively titled the Tasman Global Access (TGA) Cable, will significantly improve New Zealand's international telecommunications connectivity as well as strengthen links into fast-growing Asian markets.
The total cost of the TGA cable is expected to be less than US$60 million. The cable will incorporate three fibre pairs with a current design capacity of 30 terabits per second – approximately 300 times the current internet data demand out of New Zealand.
The TGA partners expect to finalise the design within the next few months, with a likely completion date of mid to late 2014.
Telecom chief executive Simon Moutter and Vodafone New Zealand CEO Russell Stanners jointly commented: "The business case for a new cable between New Zealand and Australia is compelling, providing greater capacity and global redundancy capability. It also reflects the growing importance of trans-Tasman internet traffic: for example, around 40% of both Telecom and Vodafone's international internet traffic is now Australia to New Zealand, versus just 10% in 2000.
"We are seeing increased data content being provided from Australia-based servers by global companies and being accessed by New Zealand internet users. An additional cable connection with Australia will strengthen the business case for international data servers to be located in New Zealand.
"The Tasman Global Access cable will also enable New Zealand to better leverage the four additional international cable systems currently serving Australia (with several more proposed or in development), providing important redundancy for New Zealand. Australia also enjoys good connectivity with Asia, which is achieving strong internet traffic growth in line with global economic shifts."
Martijn Blanken, Managing Director, Telstra Global remarked, "The partnership is a great outcome for Telstra as the high capacity, low latency Tasman Global Access Cable will supply greater resilience and redundancies for carriers as well as enterprises that are located in Australia and looking for connectivity to New Zealand as well as stronger international connectivity. This cable will enable New Zealand to better leverage Australia's much stronger internet connectivity. It will also achieve significant international connectivity benefits for New Zealand to link with Australia, and also onwards to the USA and into Asia.
The TGA cable will achieve significant international connectivity benefits for New Zealand at a fraction of the build cost of another, much longer trans-Pacific cable, the consortium partners said.
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Wow, the future's bleaker for smaller ISP... less than reliable connectivity will kill them all if not within 5 definitely 10 years...
Great move boys ;
Kills the potential competition business cases
Sets up NZ Telecommunications as a duopoly
Nothing the CC can do about it
Can't wait to see the price increases
Great. Another international cable partially owned by Telecom. Anybody else see where this falls over?
Australia (I believe) would become the new content providers in the future. Better links to them mean better content for us.
New Zealanders set to benefit from an additional submarine cable. Very smart move by the big three telcos.
Yahoo !!
Telecom cuddles competitors and we all win.
....Yeah right
Agree with Rod, better but not the best. Telecom ownership on both cables is hardly competition and another cable to Sydney is not quite what NZ needs. So an improvement but definitely a missed opportunity.
Although Telecom will have a stake in both cables, its interesting that the JV partners don't. You'd expect them to push/compete against each other - Vodafone will want to direct its contect through its cable, leaving the Southern Cross cable out of pocket, etc. So I think there will be a certain degree of new competition etc.
Nonetheless, I've always been one to point out that the Southern Cross data charges on a $80-$100/month consumer broadband plan are a handful of dollars per month, ie. $5, which doesn't explain why the plan costs 4x what it costs in Europe, etc.
On the competitive aspect, I've always wondered why the govt didn't lean on Telecom to allocate its Southern Cross share to Chorus during the split.
As a largely wholesale operation, it was a more natural fit for Chorus.
Telecom needs the cable to provide regular income and allow it to cross-subsidise to prop up its competitive areas. Just as both Voda and Geni do with cellular service right now.
Herfindahl index is non-existent in this part of the world, of course. If we were to shaft Telecom, then perhaps many arguably "natural monopolies" would come under further scrutiny by overseas competition, to put it bluntly.
I would imagine that Vodafone will not suddenly stop using the Southern Cross cable. They would likely have an IRU for a long period of time, which makes sense to continue to use if they have paid for it.
They still need to get to US. I suspect they don't have an IRU tied up as they were anchor tennents for Pacific fibre and have a deal inplace with Vocus for international capacity. (Newly listed Aussie company Vocus has won a NZ$11.3 million deal with Vodafone New Zealand for international capacity - ZDNet 2010)
Why not build from an alternative landing station to Auckland - i.e., Levin?
Yes, actually that's a very good point. Aside from being a more natural fit, it would have separated the common ownership of the dominant ISP and monopoly supplier. Hmmm!
Still with this new cable, I hope that Singtel/Optus and Verizon will still want revenue streams from their investment, while Vodafone and Telstra will want their data running through their partly owned new cable. This should create a market for data. It may not be fab, but it will be better than before. Smaller ISPs will get to choose between the two. Also, I hope that Telecom has less than 50% control of the new cable, too.
I would like to know how much ownership percentage each Telco has in this newly proposed cable.
Chris Keall - Answers?
At MoU stage I guess they won't have even discussed that.
My preference is that no single owner has a majority stake (unlike SX) and that the cable is run as a standalone entity with the owners influencing at board level but contracting as customers the same as everyone else.
Arms length and transparent.
No single owner has a majority stake in SX - you can tell from looking in Telecom's accounts where it is equity accounted (so at a very maximum 50% and most likely under that - maybe by 1 share). If Telecom controlled SX it would be proportionally consolidated, which it isn't.
No German fraudsters or government cash needed. Sounds good to me.
And will they be wholesaling this to other ISPs not involved?
Good question. I asked if there would be a layer of wholesalers, as with the Southern Cross Cable, or if ISPs outside Telecom and Vodafone otherwise buy bandwidth access on the new cable.
A Telecom rep replied:
"Another cable just makes the market more competitive but it's too early to say exactly how that will play out in terms of wholesale arrangements."
Orcon, CallPlus etc are likely to find that a little chilling.
So a cable that will effectively be removed from regulation will be put in place. What bugs me is why Telecom, 2degrees and Vodafone donlt do a shared LTE build? This whole exercise reeks of advanced bullsh*ttery.
They are only doing this to keep the big banks happy as they require diverse connectivity and the old Tasman 2 cable is end of life. Don't kid yourself that it's got anything to do with lowering internet prices for the NZ consumer.
I don't for one minute think we'll see cheaper prices for consumers, these big businesses have scaled to operate at the current level based on cash flow coming in. Taking say a 20% on cash flow would sink most businesses. What I think we'll see are better speeds, and larger data caps, but no great shift in price. Either way, its good to see some progress being made.
The new cable is good news and, as the shareholders note, it's good for redundancy.
System capacity has not been an issue in the past but having a second (or 3rd counting Tas 2) cable will provide more security and more capacity.
Ownership isn't an issue - the rules of the SX cable mean shareholders don't get any special discount. I would be surprised if the same rules didn't apply to a new cable. All major users share their data requirements across multiple cables for safety.
Pricing is set by the second-tier wholesalers like Vocus, which has driven prices down a huge amount in NZ - not by cable companies as their impact is minor.
Rod Drury is still making no sense. He and his rich mates could have built a new cable to the US but, thankfully, the banks did better research than him and saw it was a dog.
Brislin should know better, too - if he represents the industry he should at least know how it works. If Telecom want a shareholding in 10 cables they can do that - just as anyone can build a new one.
One would hope Mr Brislen is representing users, and not the industry, seeing as he's the CEO of the Telecommunications Users Association of New Zealand (TUANZ). The industry is represented by David Stone of the Telecommunications Carriers Forum (TCF).
Welcome to the new Telecom-Vodafone duopoly. It's like the Telecom monopoly, only with extra hangers on.
But, seriously, is there a risk this will make it even more difficult for the smaller players to challenge Vodafone and Telecom?
So if there is a business case for a cheaper cable to Australia that delivers most of the benefits of a much more expensive cable to the USA, it begs the question why didn't Pacific Fibre go with a trans-Tasman option? At the very least it should have been their Plan B, but you have to wonder why it wasn't Plan A in the first place.
Pacific Fibre would have a return on their investment and there would have been genuine competition.
Pacific Fibre always argued most of our internet traffic is on the NZ-US leg, so there needed to be competition there for any real movement on international pricing.
1) Pac Fibre failed ... miserably by all accounts "not even close" is what one insider said.
2) Any small amount of investigative reporting (hint, Chris) would reveal that the proportions of data is shifting away from the US slowly.
3) The haters here fail to understand how SX works, and that NZ benefits from the AU buying power.
4) Read the comments, the SX capacity makes up only a small portion of the cost of BB. Do some research and find where the true costs lie.
5) Telecom is still the only company to pony up and actually invest in connecting NZ to the world yet it gets vilified for wanting a return on that investment. Wake up NZ, most of you own some portion of Telecom shares thru Kiwisaver investments. You are losing here, too.
Welcome to the new Telecom-Vodafone duopoly. It's like the Telecom monopoly, only with extra hangers on.
This is nonsense. Any customer can buy capacity on the Southern Cross cable. Shareholders get no discount. If the new cable is set up the same way, then it's not a duopoly.
Kiwibrew - I don't care who Brislin represents, he needs to be accurate and he isn't
Kevin - you are wrong. No shareholder in Southern Cross has a majority. Their website notes all big decisions must be unanimous as well. I am keen to see what the shareholding split is.
Chris - I am glad you asked the question about the wholesaler layer. They set prices and it's the Vocus's of the system that have given Kiwis cheaper broadband.
Latest rumour.
They all own a third and they each get a third of the capacity to do what they want with. They can use it exclusively for themselves, wholesale, whatever.
I presume there will be an operating company where they all share equally in the costs.
So potentially it adds nothing to international cable competition or all three could compete aggressively to monetise their investment.
As mentioned above the primary issue is link redundancy not pricing.
90+% of SX capacity goes into Oz so it's that market that sets pricing with four cables competing. SX are on record saying NZ-US pricing is no greater than AU-US pricing so you can take that at face value or not.
Unfortunately the majority of posters on this blog don't care about return on investment because they dont invest their own money. The industry (Telecom, voda, chorus, Telstra, 2D etc.) has invested around 5,000 million into NZ over the last five years for no extra revenue. Pacific Fibre wasn't bankable because the return on investment sucked.


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Gina Kaysen Fernandes: A 2-year-old girl at the center of a contentious custody battle involving the states of California and Ohio will stay with the only mother she has ever known, at least for now. A California appeals court has granted Stacey Doss temporary custody of the toddler, Vanessa, whom she has been raising in Orange County, Calif., and trying to adopt since birth. It's a significant victory for the single parent, who is facing a difficult and lengthy court fight.
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It remains unclear why Mills (who does not have custody of any of his other four children) would fight tooth and nail for custody of Vanessa. Victims' advocates argue that this is an obvious issue of control. "This isn't a case of a father who's dying to have a relationship with his child," says Robin Sax, a momlogic legal analyst and former prosecutor. "This is a man who's willing to go to any lengths to make the birthmother miserable." The courts gave Mills an opportunity to visit Vanessa in California last week, but he canceled the trip at the last minute. "You can tell a lot more from someone's actions than from their lawyer's words," says Sax.
Andrea Conley publicly said that she was horrified when Mills decided he wanted custody of Vanessa. She told a crowd at a July 15 candlelight vigil in Dayton that she hoped Stacey would get custody of Vanessa. "The only one that matters in this whole decision is Vanessa, and people need to start keeping her best interests at heart instead of fighting between Stacey and Benjamin," Conley said. Coming forward and speaking out about the adoption has put Conley's future in jeopardy: She's not only risking potential criminal exposure for perjury, but Mills has reportedly tried to go after her. Conley has asked for police protection and has obtained a restraining order against Mills.
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Stacey is a self-employed single parent, paying out-of-pocket for all her court expenses. However, taxpayers in both states are footing the bill for Mills' legal costs. According to the Dayton Daily News, Children Services in Montgomery County, Ohio, has paid nearly $4,000 for Mills to visit Vanessa. The trip he recently canceled cost the agency $1,300. "In these difficult economic times, it's not uncommon for parental visits to take place out of town," states Ann Stevens, a spokesperson for Montgomery County Children Services. In an interview with the newspaper, Stevens added, "People need to keep in mind that Mr. Mills is still legally this child's father."
The next step is a court hearing (which will take place today in Ohio) to decide whether Mills acted like a "presumed father" during Conley's pregnancy. If Mills did not provide financial or emotional care during the pregnancy, he'll have to make a convincing argument to explain why. Mills' attorney also has until August 2nd to appeal the California court's ruling that leaves Vanessa in Stacey's care for the time being.
While Stacey may have won round one, legal observers say the odds are slim that the custody dispute will end in her favor. "Blood relatives are considered more important than anything," says Deborah Luxenberg, a family law attorney in Washington, D.C., who has extensive experience in adoption and custody issues. In her 35 years of practice, she has seen many troubling custody cases wherein parental rights trumped what was in the best interest of the child. "To me, that's just callous, cruel and totally not focused on children," says Luxenberg. The courts are generally more concerned with keeping families together, and the fact that Vanessa has two full-blood siblings means "[Stacey] could be screwed," says Luxenberg.
Not only are two parents fighting over Vanessa, but so are the courts. If California and Ohio can't reach an agreement over who has jurisdiction, the case could end up in the U.S. Supreme Court. On the surface, it appears to be a child-custody battle, but the real fight is about which state system has control over Vanessa. "What's unique about this case is, [Mills] has lost custody of all his children," notes Sax. "Now Stacey has to fight him to fight the system."
Since coming forward with her story, Stacey has received extensive media coverage and community support. Family members have raised cash by holding up signs on street corners that read: "Please Don't Take My Cousin," and an Orange County couple anonymously donated a large check to Stacey's legal fund. "The generosity is profound," says Stacey, who is pledging to continue the fight even if she prevails in court. Stacey plans to turn "Operation Vanessa" into a nonprofit organization. "Maybe this will be the one time when the child will be considered," she says.
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Faced with some insomnia one night, I put together a list of the patterns. One of these days I'll have to pick up a couple from ebay.
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Book 1: Cool Cardinal (cardinal, two cardinals, raccoon) 1985
Book 2: Watermelon Moon (birds, bunny, raccoons in watermelon)
Book 3: KOALAkoala (seal, ladybugs, koala)
Book 4: Catnip (cat and bird, deer, birds)
Book 5: Pier Group (pelicans on dock) 1986
Book 6: Space for All Species (frog, owls, array of animals)
Book 7: Wood Duck (duck, fish, butterfly)
Book 8: Wrenovation (wren, bluebird, two birds)
Book 9: Pelican in a Downpour (pelican, sea birds, shells) 1987
Book 10: Bear in the Birches (bird, bear, beetles?)
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Book 14: Catbird Seat (cat, basset hound, basset with cat)
Book 15: Skimmerscape (pelican, skimmerscape, great white heron, Louisiana heron) 1992
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Book 19: B-R-R-R-R-RDBATH (cardinal in a birdbath) 1996 Book 20: Birdwatcher (cat)
Book 21: Love from Above (giraffe)
Book 22: Devotion in the Ocean (otter) 1996
Book 23: B-R-R-R-R-RTHDAY (penguins)
Book 25: Cardinal Courtship (two cardinals)
Book 26: Lovey Dovey (two doves on telephone wire)
Book 27: The Christmas Caper (raccoons on chimney) 1998
You can also find some patterns sold individually or in kits, such as Cool Cardinal in Snow, Cardinals in Flight, Clair De Loon, Pelican in a Downpour, Racintosh, Sanderlings, Pier Group, Frog, and Gift Rapt.


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In the spring semester, IMES Professorial Lecturer Judith Yaphe was interviewed for the Washington Post, published articles in The Majalla and the Prism Syria Supplement, and received the Joint Distinguished Civilian Service Award, highest award given to civilians in the Department of Defense. Congratulations Professor Yaphe!
IMES Faculty Associate Shira Robinson wrote two articles for the Middle East Research and Information Project, and is conducting talks for her new book at UMD - College Park, the Palestine Center, and Towson University. She also gave an extended interview with the news website Mondoweiss.
Between December 2013 and Feburary 2014, IMES Faculty Associate Nathan Brown wrote articles for the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, Foreign Policy, and New Republic. He has also been featured on NPR and interviewed for The New York Times and the Carnegie Endowment.
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IMES Faculty Associate Robert Eisen was invited by the US State Department to give a keynote address to a group of Egyptian educators from Al-Azhar who were visiting the United States in August as part of the State Department's International Visitors Leadership Program. Professor Eisen's topic was "The Impact of Religion on Relations between the West and the Islamic World."
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Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.
Gay marriage has now lost in every single state — 31 in all — in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine — known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate — and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.
With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.
"The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the nation," declared Frank Schubert, chief organizer for the winning side.
Gay-marriage supporters held out hope that the tide would shift before conceding defeat at 2:40 a.m. in a statement that insisted they weren't going away.
"We're in this for the long haul. For next week, and next month, and next year — until all Maine families are treated equally. Because in the end, this has always been about love and family and that will always be something worth fighting for," said Jesse Connolly, manager of the pro-gay marriage campaign.
At issue was a law passed by the Maine Legislature last spring that would have legalized same-sex marriage. The law was put on hold after conservatives launched a petition drive to repeal it in a referendum.
The outcome Tuesday marked the first time voters had rejected a gay-marriage law enacted by a legislature. When Californians put a stop to same-sex marriage a year ago, it was in response to a court ruling, not legislation.
Five other states have legalized gay marriage — starting with Massachusetts in 2004, and followed by Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut and Iowa — but all did so through legislation or court rulings, not by popular vote. In contrast, constitutional amendments banning gay marriage have been approved in all 30 states where they have been on the ballot.
The defeat left some gay-marriage supporters bitter.
"Our relationship is between us," said Carla Hopkins, 38, of Mount Vernon, with partner Victoria Eleftherio, 38, sitting on her lap outside a hotel ballroom where gay marriage supporters had been hoping for a victory party. "How does that affect anybody else? It's a personal thing."
The contest had been viewed by both sides as certain to have national repercussions. Gay-marriage foes desperately wanted to keep their winning streak alive, while gay-rights activists sought to blunt the argument that gay marriage was being foisted on the country by courts and lawmakers over the will of the people.
Had Maine's law been upheld, the result would probably have energized efforts to get another vote on gay marriage in California, and given a boost to gay-marriage bills in New York and New Jersey.
Earlier Tuesday, before vote-counting began, gay-marriage foe Chuck Schott of Portland warned that Maine "will have its place in infamy" if the gay-rights side won.
Another Portland resident, Sarah Holman said she was "very torn" but decided — despite her conservative upbringing — to vote in favor of letting gays marry.
"They love and they have the right to love. And we can't tell somebody how to love," said Holman, 26.
In addition to reaching out to young people who flocked to the polls for President Barack Obama a year ago, gay-marriage defenders tried to appeal to Maine voters' pronounced independent streak and live-and-let-live attitude.
The other side based many of its campaign ads on claims — disputed by state officials — that the new law would mean "homosexual marriage" would be taught in public schools.
Both sides in Maine drew volunteers and contributions from out of state, but the money edge went to the campaign in defense of gay marriage, Protect Maine Equality. It raised $4 million, compared with $2.5 million for Stand for Marriage Maine.
Elsewhere on Tuesday, voters in Washington state voted on whether to uphold or overturn a recently expanded domestic partnership law that entitles same-sex couples to the same state-granted rights as heterosexual married couples. With half the precincts reporting, that race was too close to call.
In Kalamazoo, Mich., voters approved a measure that bars discrimination based on sexual orientation.
Among other ballot items across the country:
• In Ohio, voters approved a measure that will allow casinos in Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Toledo. Four similar measures had been defeated in recent years, but this time the state's reeling economy gave extra weight to arguments that the new casinos would create thousands of jobs.
• Maine voters defeated a measure that would have limited state and local government spending by holding it to the rate of inflation plus population growth. A similar measure was on the ballot in Washington state.
• Another measure in Maine, which easily won approval, will allow dispensaries to supply marijuana to patients for medicinal purposes. It is a follow-up to a 1999 measure that legalized medical marijuana but did not set up a distribution system.
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Substitute the word "black" for "gay" in any of the homophobe's arguments against gay marraige, and the sheer bigotry of their cause becomes painfully apparent.
What we are now seeing is a desperate, last-ditch attempt to salvage what's left of the Church's once complete (but now ever-shrinking) power to control people's money, thoughts and lives.
And it is only a matter of time before such clearly systemically discriminatory attempts to deny people's constitutional rights are ultimately ruled UNconstitutional under a whole plethora of equal rights legislation that HAS been ruled to be constitutional.
What is "the Church"?
My church is not part of "the Church".
Then, Jim, how come "your church" is still referred to as a "church"?
I'll agree that Universalism is probably one of the LEAST invasive and controlling of all religions.
But then again, it is STILL considered a religious institution with an elected or appointed hierarchy along with a set of shared "beliefs" and "values", all of which still constitute a moral control mechanism of sorts that guide what people are supposed to believe.
If not, when why bother joining?
The problem is that FULL separation of "the State" from "the Church" has yet to happen in most places, including the United States of America.
THE CHURCH is that IDEA that those with lesser political mojo rail against. Much like THE GOVT.
I've tried and tried and still can't find that "eparation" clause. The only thing I can find is that the GOVT can't have or support or deny one religion over another.
Funny, that.
But, then again, where does it say that, based SOLELY on one's sexual preferences, the government can arbitrarily withhold fundamental rights to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" that it routinely grants to ALL other citizens? Seems rather discriminatory don't you think?
The bottom line here is that the homophobes are LOSING these battles in the courts. That's because, what they are attempting to do in law is being exposed as baseless hypocritical rubbish that flies directly in the face of other binding clauses of both federal and state constitutions.
I would suggest that govt withholding life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness is more universal than arbitrary. As for homosexual marriage? Kinda self-defeating in its own right. But, we've all argued this thread before.
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How do I navigate looking for a room/roommate in NYC? Hope me, AskMe!
So, I've found myself in a situation where I pretty much have to find a place in NYC by September 1. I was planning on moving out anyway (I work in NYC, live in nearby suburbia, and the commute was getting to be too much), but some recent events kind of hastened it. I've gotten in touch with various people/connections and am looking on Craigslist. But I have questions.
(For the record, this is strictly a situation where I'd live with a roommate. I can't afford to live on my own right now, and time isn't exactly on my side. Also, assume I know nothing about hunting for rooms, especially in NYC-- you'd be pretty much right.)
1. Are there any places to look besides Craigslist? Sometimes I'll look at ads, and I won't know if they're real, especially if they have phone numbers. How do I know?
2. What kinds of questions should I be asking when I look at places? I've kind of been going into it blindly, with absolutely no idea what I'm doing. I have yet to see whether or not this will work for me. But are there any must-ask questions?
3. How do I handle moving once I have found a place? I don't need any traditional movers, since I'm leaving my furniture behind, but I will have boxes of my stuff (books, clothes, etc.) that I just need to get from Suburbia to Place in NYC. Also, they'd need to get me there. Are there any legit people in NYC who would do this? That would be pretty much my only option, as I don't drive/have a car, nor do I know anyone who does who'd be willing to do that.
4. This is all so overwhelming and stressful. I also have an ambivalent relationship with change, so this is making me especially anxious. I'm seeing a therapist, but how do I stay sane during this trying time?
5. Would I really be able to find a place by 9/1, realistically?
That pretty much covers it. Thanks so much in advance!
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Yes you can totally find a room by 1 September, this is exactly the right time to be looking, don't sweat it. Also, note that Craigslist is filled with "
Man with Van
" ads in Services. (I'm sure there's a more gender-neutral term for "person with a small truck to help with light moves" but I don't know what it is, my apologies.)
posted by
on August 5, 2012
My trick to looking for a roommate on Craigslist is to look for ads that sound like they were written by an actual person.
So for example this would be good:
Hi there! We're two girls and a guy looking for a roommate of either gender to share our four bedroom loft space in Bushwick! We love good coffee, have a household subscription to the New York Times, and are in the process of building a rooftop garden. Please drop us a line if you're interested in sharing our awesome Brooklyn existence.
And this would be bad:
Room to rent Williamsburg $900 utils incl. Open house 8/19 7-9 pm. Call Jim at 718-555-1234.
Re your questions.
1. I've always used Craigslist or word of mouth.
2. I mostly ask questions about logistical stuff. How are utilities paid each month? Is smoking allowed in the apartment (I'm a nonsmoker, but definitely good to know whether others will be smoking in my space)? Are there pets/are pets allowed? Any other big house rules that need to be discussed in advance? If I'm looking at apartments in spring or summer, I ask what the apartment is like in winter. If I'm looking in winter, vice versa. I also try to have some kind of conversation about cleanliness expectations, but without outing myself as a slob or being judgmental about my prospective roomate's housekeeping skills.
3. You want a man with a van. Look for someone who is willing to come to your suburb. Searching Craigslist (man, what would we do without craigslist) for "man with van suffolk county" or whatever should probably do you. Be sure to mention that it's a move to the city when you set it up.
posted by
Sara C.
on August 5, 2012
Oh, and another suggestion along the lines of "what questions to ask when you look at apartments."
If possible, visit the neighborhood you're looking at -- and ideally the specific block -- at a few different times of the day. When I moved into my last apartment, I went to look at it on one of the first warm Saturdays in spring. The neighborhood seemed bustling and homey and safe.
Then I went to pick up the keys after I'd already committed and paid a deposit. It was then that I realized my new neighborhood was the hood.
I ended up moving into the place anyway, but it's definitely one of the more sketchy areas I've lived in and there were various problems with the overall quality and safety of the neighborhood that I didn't anticipate because I happened to catch my new block on a lovely day.
This is especially important if you're mostly used to living in a suburban landscape, as (in my experience, anyway), it can take a while to develop an instinctive sense of whether a neighborhood is safe or not.
posted by
Sara C.
on August 5, 2012
Another point: NYC is a hellish landlord's market. The brokers who help you find a place work hard, but their commission (at least 1-2 months rent) is paid by the renter, not the landlord as is the case in most other cities.
posted by
on August 5, 2012
you can do this via craigslist, but also work facebook and word of mouth. make sure everybody around you knows you're looking.
i understand feeling overwhelmed and anxious about the situation. do you have any friends who you'd feel comfortable telling your budget and priorities to, who could look through craigslist on your behalf and send you promising ads? i've done this before for friends, and had friends do it for me, because it's actually FUN when it's not your own apartment hunt.
as far as questions to ask, it really depends on what's important to you, although definitely ask about the lease or rental agreement, if you'll be on the lease, if you owe a deposit, etc. i like to know what places there are to dine out or get coffee in the neighborhood, where the nearest laundromat and supermarket are, if they've had any problems with pests, if the landlord is responsive, what the neighbors are like. i also like to ask "do you mind if i look in your fridge?" which is potentially weird and invasive, but i can't stand an overcrowded fridge. asking to use the bathroom can be helpful too; it never seems weird and it gives you a chance to have a little privacy, gather your thoughts, a get a sense of how clean they are. another great tip i may have read on ask.me is to remember that an apartment will never be any cleaner than it is when it's being shown to you.
if it's starting to seem like you might not find a good place in time, and you really don't have much stuff, you might go for a one-month or month-to-month sublet while you get to know the area better and look for just the right place. that'll take the pressure off of finding somewhere great asap.
posted by
on August 5, 2012
Ditto what
said, word of mouth is super helpful in terms of finding an apartment share. Write up a cheery one or two sentence blurb about what neighborhoods would work for you and what kind of apartment atmosphere you're looking for and post it on facebook and email it to all your friends, asking them to ask around for anyone who needs to fill a spot in an apartment. If you're in a work, school, or alumni network and people post apartment listings there, think about posting that you're looking for a room. Mention it to everyone you talk to, especially anyone in the city already. Don't be shy!
In terms of listings besides craigslist, check out
The Listings Project
-- it's rather geared toward art studios, but often has apartment shares listed as well.
You can do it! You have plenty of time and seem very nice and thoughtful. Interviewing potential apartment sharers is kind of stressful, but just channel your most pleasant self and remind yourself that most people are pretty nice and want a reason to like you and have you work out for their apartment.
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also remember that a lot of times the people who are looking for roommates via craigslist see a dozen of so potential roommates, and they are looking for a personality fit more than anything else. whatever you can do to establish common interests or make yourself sound like an interesting person to be around is likely to help. i've been on both sides of that game; saying i'm a circus performer always improves my situation, and my roommates and i have always been more inclined to show the apartment to people who tell us in their emails that they spent a year in west africa and like to cook ghanaian food to share, or they're buddhist monks who like to fix bikes.
the sooner you express your interest in a place, the better (if you know right away, tell your potential new roommates before you leave that you definitely want it).
posted by
on August 5, 2012 [
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i keep thinking of more suggestions, cause i've been on both sides of the roommate hunt too many times. so here are some more.
this may be obvious, but do a craigslist search for your preferred neighborhood and price range, then subscribe to the resulting rss feed in your feed reader. respond to promising ads right away, and set a time to see those places ASAP. good rooms go so fast.
also post a "housing wanted" CL ad. they don't usually get many bites but i actually got a brooklyn apartment this way once.
nonsensenyc mailing list
is another source of housing ads. they're mostly in bushwick/bed-stuy and the like, with artsy folks.
don't be afraid to be very vocal about an apartment you really want if you're one of several potential roommates they've seen. we once gave a room to a girl we were on the fence about just because she was SO EXCITED about our house and wanted to live there SO BAD.
most potential roommates consider it a big plus if you're not around a lot, so if you work long hours, spend all your free time socializing away from home, and/or go away for the weekend often, emphasize that.
re sara's "and this would be bad" example above, in my experience sometimes those terse ads don't necessarily spell out bad news -- they're just written by someone who's not much of a writer or internet user. shocklingly, these types of people can still be perfectly nice and awesome roommates. but if you don't feel comfortable making phone calls and wanna stick to email, and you'd rather only contact people who seem like kindred spirits, that's totally understandable and that approach will serve you fine.
posted by
on August 5, 2012
My trick to looking for a roommate on Craigslist is to look for ads that sound like they were written by an actual person.
This pretty much worked for me in San Francisco. Likewise, when you answer the ad you should try to sound like an actual person.
posted by
on August 5, 2012
Not saying my latter example would necessarily be a bad person to rent from or live with. But if you're concerned about whether it's a legit listing, or trying to deal with Craigslist's high signal-to-noise ratio, it's an easy way to find places that are more likely to at least be real and also stand a good chance of being a better than average fit.
Certainly if you see something that seems ideal and it's written in a minimalist style, by all means check it out!
posted by
Sara C.
on August 5, 2012
3. How do I handle moving once I have found a place? I don't need any traditional movers, since I'm leaving my furniture behind, but I will have boxes of my stuff (books, clothes, etc.) that I just need to get from Suburbia to Place in NYC. Also, they'd need to get me there. Are there any legit people in NYC who would do this? That would be pretty much my only option, as I don't drive/have a car, nor do I know anyone who does who'd be willing to do that.
is the best way to find a mover. I would avoid calling Man With a Van ads on CL.
posted by
on August 5, 2012
nothing wrong with Man with a Van ads on CL! For one of my recent moves, I emailed (OK, I didn't call) about ten folks, sending them lists of all the things i had to move and descriptions of the moving situations at both places (stairs, number of helpers). Most of them got back to me with quotes within 24 hours and I loved the guy I went with. The two times before that I did something similar and never had a bad experience.
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I've used craigslist man with a van ads every time I've moved in New York, over the course of 12 years. Moving from a suburban landscape just outside the city to the city proper will complicate matters slightly (definitely double check that they can do what you want to do and get a price quote), but they typically are not sketchy or flakey or otherwise a bad way to go.
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