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So what did Kurt Busch actually do for Phoenix Racing?
By admin | September 27, 2012
By Richard Allen
With the recent news that Kurt Busch has signed on to drive for Furniture Row Racing in 2013, it would seem like the appropriate time to look back and see what he accomplished while driving for Phoenix Racing in 2012. Prior to this season, the 2004 Sprint Cup champion had only piloted cars for the highly financed teams of Roush Fenway Racing and Penske Racing. However, due to a number of issues to have surfaced last season, the talented but volatile driver found himself with few options coming into this current year.
When the dust settled in the aftermath of a video taped tirade toward an ESPN reporter and cameraman during the last race of the season in 2011, Phoenix Racing was one of the few teams that would take on Busch as its chauffer. It was said by some, including the primary parties involved, that the relationship would prove beneficial for both.
Busch, it was reasoned, would be more relaxed as he took a step away from the high-pressure world of the power teams for a season or two while Phoenix would have a high profile driver who could show what their relatively small operation was truly capable of.
So, what did Kurt Busch actually do for the James Finch owned Phoenix Racing team?
As a few thought might at least be plausible, Busch could give Phoenix a shot at winning a race. Although taking on the mega-teams would have been virtually impossible on a weekly basis, a one time checkered flag seemed a possibility on a restrictor plate track or a road course, especially considering the team received some assistance from Hendrick Motorsports. But that was not the case as the team that had won at Talladega back in 2009 with Brad Keselowski has gone winless so far in 2012.
Even if no wins came, it was believed by many that Busch could elevate the team to higher overall finishes than previously experienced. So far in 27 starts, Busch has an average finish of 24.6 with one top-5 and two top-10 results.
In 2011, driver Landon Cassill had an average finish of 27.6 with no top-10s while driving for Phoenix Racing. Boris Said, Bill Elliott and Mike Bliss also competed for the team with no outstanding finishes being recorded by any one of those pilots.
And more, Busch has crashed on multiple occasions in 2012. Of the five races in which the #51 car was not running at the finish, three of those have 'crashed' listed as the reason for dropping out. There were also cars wrecked in Daytona and other tracks which were repaired and sent back out to finish multiple laps behind the race winners.
The not-so-relaxed Busch was suspended for one race this season after a post-race incident on pit road in Charlotte and a tirade directed toward a reporter the next week in Dover.
And perhaps most importantly for a small team such as this, no lasting sponsorship was found as a result of having a high profile driver in their car. As a matter of fact, there have been very few races this season in which the car had anything other than the Phoenix team name or completely blank quarter panels.
Purse money winnings have seen little change over last year with Busch driving(David Reutimann drove the one race in which Busch was suspended) opposed to the four who handled the chores in 2011.
All in all, the addition of Kurt Busch as the driver of the #51 Phoenix Racing car was a gamble that was probably worth taking. However, in the end the gamble did not really pay off. After Busch is gone this will be a team that is no better off than when he came, and perhaps even worse off if more money was spent in an attempt to raise the level of competitiveness.
So what did Kurt Busch actually do for Phoenix Racing? Ultimately, not that much.
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15 Responses to "So what did Kurt Busch actually do for Phoenix Racing?"
midasmicah Says:
September 27th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Tony Geinzer Says:
September 27th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
What I feel is Kurt Busch is a serious and unmanagable issue for Stock Cars.
Offkilter Says:
September 27th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
He helped the economy by creating job security for the 51 team sheet metal guys and a full time trucking job was created by hauling retired hms cars over to phoenix racing. Oh, and he reestablished to the world that he is still an a-hole.
kb2004 Says:
September 27th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
You seem to have conveniently left out the 3rd place finish at Infineon. Also, this team has cost themselves plenty of times with bad pit stops and odd mechanical malfunctions. Seriously, how the hell does a tire just fall off?
Point is, Kurt can't be blamed for poor performance by a lackluster team.
Russ Says:
September 27th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
He accomplished exactly what could be expected. Generated a little buzz in the beginning that couldnt be sustained.
In an era when engineering is more important than drivers, and sponsors more important than either, he probably drove the car as fast as it would go. What more could he do?
He didn't save Phoenix, and he won't make Furniture Row a winner. But nobody could.
Ricky Bobby Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:46 am
Really, don't recall any "post race incident on pit road at Charlotte"………..may have been one at Dover.
He couldn't have destroyed too many cars. They seem to have race each of them 3 or 4 times each this year!
zhills fan Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 4:08 am
Actually I partly agree with kb. I think some of the reasons that KB wrecked so much was the fact that the cars were far inferior to what he had before so he pushed them beyond their capabilities.
Al Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 4:09 am
The team did receive more attention from the media then they normally would have. Practically every team is having sponsor issues but only Kurt doesn't get a pass because of the economy. Not all of the wrecks were his fault. I think some of his wrecks he did cause had more to do with him over driving the car in an attempt to make up for lackluster team he was with.
Couldn't this same article have been written about a certain lady in the Nationwide series? After 51 races it's time to back off on the "she's still learning" excuse. After all she did have racing experience before she made the switch and she does have a big time sponsor in Hendricks equipment.
Jeff Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 6:31 am
I think the real question is why Richard Childress would have an interest in Kurt Busch? maybe that hair dye has gotten to RC's brain but haveing Kurt Busch and Kevin Harvick as teamates is not a very good idea at all.
If Kurt was such a good prospect sponsors would be in a rush to have there name associated with his. But that is not the case. The name Kurt Busch is toxic and I doubt he will ever recover from his reputation of radio tirades, mean spirited interviews and wrecking cars.
Kurt will never have a top ride and it is only a matter of time before his brother is in the same boat with him.
Buhlmann Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Great point! He did slightly better than Landon Cassill which really doesn't look too good for him. Landon Cassill was a 21 year old rookie and Kurt a champion. The only thing Kurt did was get them a top 5 and two top 10's. Although Landon probably would have had a top 10 at least, maybe a top 5 at Talladega when he qualified 6th, ran in the top 5 until getting wrecked by…Kurt Busch.
GinaV24 Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Is it a trick question? It seems as if he wrecked a lot of race cars and in general acted like a jerk the way he always does.
Rob Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Kurt Busch is being groomed for a ride at RCR in 2014 or maybe 2015. Richard Childress has said that he will personally be mentoring Kurt this year to help him through the rough spots. I think the main goal for 2103 is to rehabilitate Kurt's image to be able to attract a sponsor later. This will be good for both RCR and Kurt if it works out. If not, then RCR did not have that much invested.
DMan Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 11:33 am
heres a scenerio: kurt goes to FR, which is a childress satellite team, for 2013. jeff burton, in the childress 31 car, his contract expires at the end 2013. kurt replaces burton for the 2014 season since burtons record for 2012 is roughly on par with smiths or buschs who are driving for under-equipped and underfunded teams. love burton but the man just cant get it done anymore in top notch stuff. that is as long as busch doesnt bankrupt FR before the end of 2013.
Matt Kennedy Says:
September 28th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Kurt Busch gave them the opportunity to become a better race team. The reason cars were crashed was because Kurt was driving the cars to his greatest abilities but the cars were not able to match that. The team had the chance to get rid of Kurt if they felt like he wasn't contributing, but he knew what he was doing on the car and was able to improve them where other drivers in that ride were not. The idea that Kurt gets in cars just to total them is utterly absurd. Kurt was high up in number of completed laps in the season, and most of the incidents were due to part failure. Phoenix has even said that they would love to rehire Kurt if there was sponsorship, so clearly Kurt was contributing something that could not be seen based on average finish! CASE AND POINT!
John Knepper Says:
September 29th, 2012 at 12:33 am
Let me see. Finch is $1,000,000 million richer than he was at this point last year with Cassill. Pit crew told me at a race that Kurt knows more about car set ups than most crew chiefs, Nick (crew chief) has learned stuff about set ups he never knew, they've been racing all year with Gordons/Juniors/Johnson cars from 2008, Kurt helped them work on the cars, he pays for their lunch/dinners when in town, he has wounded warriors stay with him at his NC home during Charlotte, Bristol and Martinsville weekends, he's very involved in the Armed forces Foundation, they've only had to trash one of the (7) cars that were wrecked, most of the wrecked cars were because of mechanical failure/other people wrecks and he is the best driver they have had at Phoenix.
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I have been there probably over 30 times in the past 4 years and can count on 1 hand the amount of times I've been spoken too. One time I went with a friend that (she)was interested in the nudist experience and tons of people spoke with us. I don't go over there to have sex as that does happen often and in public which is fine if that's what you want. I want to relax in outdoors, enjoy my free time, visit at times, but nothing more! I will say the new people are fantastic with the grounds can see major improvements
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China is seeking compensation for the mustard gas victims. While Japan
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both the technical and financial responsibilities for the safe removal and disposal of the
chemical weapons and agents. If the ASP is not a State Party or can not be identified, then the
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Today the AFP World Tour saw a great gold level halfpipe competition go down on Buttermilk Mountain . The Aspen/Snowmass Freeskiing Open put on a well-orchastrated event that saw amazing young talent push their limits and put themselves in contention in the overall world rankings right up with the likes of the A-level athletes we all know by name. U.S. Freeskiing Rookies Aaron Blunck and Annalisa Drew move into the top 5 in the AFP World Rankings, along with a grip of podiums for U.S. Freeskiing.
Jamie Crane-Mauzy proved her dual discipline skills by dropping into the halfpipe with a mute-grab, left 540 mute-grab, right 540, safety-grab, flair to left 360. If she could replace that safety with a trick, she may see herself atop the podium rather than in third in the future.
Maggie Stout, who took home $750 for her second place win, was extremely consistent with her mute-grab, left 540 safety-grab, right 540, left 540 safety-grab, japan-grab to left 720.
But it was Annalisa Drew who took home the gold. She has been proving herself contest after contest and doesn't look like the rookie she is on the U.S. Freeskiing team, but a rising star in women's freeskiing. She led the pack with her left 900, ally-oop, left 540 safety-grab, safety-grab, left 540 mute-grab, safety-grab to left 720.
Walter Wood has had a great last couple weeks, getting third at the SFR Tour Halfpipe in Tignes, and now another bronze here in Aspen. Today he stuck a huge right 900 japan-grab, left 900 tail-grab, back to back flairs with a japan-grab, right 1080 tail-grab to switch ally-oop 900. Just goes to show it pays to make the back-to-back events as he landed in third and took home $1,500.
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"Frederick Remington is easily the most well known artist in Theodore's collection," said Senior Curator Phil Schreier. "But there was more. So much more."
Watercolors, oil, pencil and pastel drawings scattered amongst statues of bronze and stone, the Roosevelt homestead was filled with works from a variety of artists. Starting with Remington, the names ranged from Frost to Sandham to Gifford and Kelly. Depicting African wildlife, the American West as well as rugged scenes of the great outdoors, the President's taste generally focused on wild side. Except when it came to portraits.
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Triumph rider James Westmoreland took an easy win in the supersport race at Silverstone.
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colvill1 says:
i agree totally that it was the right decision and plater has ridden superbly all year on a bike that is clearly slower then the r6 and the 750.just thought that it was funny that when it happens to someone else its a racing incident but when it happens to you its a nightmare.
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mathsman says:
Let's not beat about the bush here. McConnell was prepared to take second at all costs. That move was stupid. Personally I would have disqualified him. A very unsporting move.
I've never seen Steve so angry in any race. He showed his mature years by backing off.
Come on Steve we know you can do it.
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flipflop68 says:
I remember watching a WSB race some years ago when Haga was knocking fairings, elbows and handlebars with Colin Edwards and Troy Bayliss, in MotoGP Rossi almost took Stoner out on the Corkscrew possibly the most dangerous corner on the calender yet all these were racing incidents. Why should what happened on Sunday be any different.
Yes McConnell was on the limit of control and sometimes beyond, but that's the nature of racing. You don't win by being nice and only trying to overtake when the guy in front waves you past. I was there on Sunday and it was the battle between those 2 that made thew whole event, I think if most of the people there were honest they would agree. I'm a Plater fan and I want him to win the title but I don't want the "Health and Safety" Dickheads to take the racing out of the sport.
Camier has made a few mistakes over the last couple of weeks and was very agressive working his way back through the field, should his results be taken away. Stop being such a bunch of nancies, if you want a boring unentertaining race watch F1.
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Without doubt the two biggest PRATTS this year Cuntnelly and Boshjocks.
flipflob68 a close second
mathsman got it right on
Well earned win by JM
grayzx7r, no need to throw your dummy out the pram, everyone's entitled to their opinion, even if yours is wrong!
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Glynn Racing says:
This is not about Aussie bashing ( we done that with the Ashes ) as I think you will find the Aussie bashed into the Brit. Take it gracefully fella and accept that people like Brookes and McConnell should not take the risks which impact other riders in the incidents witnessed this year.
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Annual NZ ad spend - TV passes newspapers, but internet rising fast
New figures show television captured the most advertising spending in 2011, pushing newspapers into second place - but that the internet is fast closing in on both.
The Advertising Standards Authority says TV accounted for 28.4% of total advertising spend during 2011, but with scant year-on-year growth ($618 million to 2010's $607 million).
Newspaper's hold on to number two, at 26.7%, but with its spend dropping from last year's $627 million to $582 million.
Online (interactive) ads, by contrast, continue their explosive growth.
In 2010, the new media moved ahead of radio.
In 2011, online consolidated its lead over radio as revenue jumped from $257 million (12% of total ad spend) to $328 million (15.1%).
With new media rising faster than old media is falling, total ad spending increased slightly in 2011 to $2.179 billion, the ASA says.
The bad news - at least for mainstream media involved in online - is that search ads (hello, Google) still account for the majority of spending in the new medium.
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Frontiers in Zoology | Abstract | Dogs are sensitive to small variations of the Earth's magnetic field
Results: Dogs preferred to excrete with the body being aligned along the North-south axis under calm MF conditions.
In case you ever wondered if there's scientific reason behind a dog's pooping stance preference.
Now I wish my toilet could freely rotate around its vertical axis. Damn.
Laughing is pretty awesome. Recently I've started to dedicate time each and every day to make sure I read, watch, listen to, or participate in something that makes me laugh.
Tonight I was encouraged to make up a song about why I think dogs are so funny while they're pooping. When I asked what the dog should be named, "Poop Queer" was shouted out… and his doggie-girlfriend was named "Sparkles." She earned that name because she ate glitter for breakfast. The rest of the song just kind of wrote itself.
Letting Pooping Dogs Poop.
I will never not find a pooping dog funny.
Pooping dogs always have that look. That look of knowing. Knowing that what they're doing looks awkward. And frustrated that while we get to go barricade ourselves in a room somewhere while we vacate our bowels, dogs instead are paraded around in the open and forced to do their business in front of a public's very watchful eye.
I've never not seen that look in their eyes.
The rumpled eyebrows that are equal parts grunting-induced and "really? You're just gonna stand and choose this very moment to lock eyes with me?"
A pooping dog looks like a muscle-headed body builder in the middle of a flex during a competition, hunched over and contorted in an unnatural pose while grunting.
Like baseball players, pooping dogs have difference stances.
Some will just stand in the batters box, get it done, and walk away trying to forget what they just were relegated to doing. Others do what I like to call Shit Walker, Texas Ranger [for those of you who are Chuck Norris fans]. These dogs look like they're done going, but then begin walking around the lawn and finishing their business still half-humped over and half-walking. Then, of course, you have the dogs that finish going and let you know they are done - by doing their impression of a bull. They finish, move forward a step or two, and then violently kick their back feet a few times to kick up grass partially to cover their dookie, but mostly, to show their owners who is boss.
Eight or eighty years old, it won't matter.
I'll still laugh at a pooping dog.
Ask anyone who knows me and they will tell you how often I talk about dogs pooping. Bruce hit the bullseye with this post.
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Fact. Moms have a monopoly on pain when it comes to child birth. There is a medical chart called the Universal Pain Assessment Tool that doctors and nurses use to gauge it. Sure, it's stupid and useless. But what about dads? Dads deserve something stupid and useless, too!
We consider it our duty to fill the void. We've created this helpful chart so that medical professionals and expectant first-time fathers alike can be better informed about what to expect in the delivery room FROM FATHERS. Charlie's skill as an actor and my craft as a designer, coupled with both of our recent experience as observers of child birth, have come together in this potent Instructional Diagram.
Yes, Charlie and I know we can't unsee what we have seen. And yeah, we may never look at lasagna the same again, but we know that seeing our wives do what they did and our sons come into this world is something that cannot be given value. It is priceless.
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Alison@Mama Wants This says:
Good one, I imagine most new fathers fall between 6-11. My husband opted out of the room during the actual delivery. Note: I did not mind. I was too busy screaming to care. Hee.
Love the diagram, as always!
Thanks and LOL!
You know what's interesting? All the men who've commented here or on Twitter/Facebook say they're a solid 1-2 every time. But when a mom responds, the number skyrockets. Love it.
Julie` says:
I had a c-section, and my husband hit an 8 when they asked if he wanted to see the baby as they took him out. I imagine it's ruined lasagna for him as well.
The diagram is priceless.
Ha ha ha ha! That's amazing. I know someone who blacked out during an emergency c-section and he wasn't even in the operating room. Just too many volts for his circuits to handle.
Desiree says:
The wonderful, supportive father of my babies who attended all the birthing classes? Hit an "8" and then a "10" and then an "x" (went unconscious) during my C-section. I love this chart.
Baby crib = $400. Baby Delivery = $10,000.
Watching a husband hit an "8" = Priceless.
Lizzie says:
I LOVE THIS!! Good thing I didn't see your face Hubby! Also… wait… could sworn I told you not to look
My fingers were crossed when you told me not to look. C'mon! That's like telling a kid not to peak under the Christmas tree. Just ain't gonna happen!
If you had looked, m'Luv, I was a 1-2 on the outside, but in all honesty there were moments that I was a well-suppressed 11 on the inside, wishing I was an X.
This is my favorite conversation of the day.
Russ says:
LOL. And The unconscious X is why they don't allow fathers-to-be to be in the room anymore when the epidural is administered. I was a proud 1 (less if the chart allowed). Nothing grosses me out!! Except that first black tar poop….that was kinda gross.
I know exactly what you mean. I wasn't grossed out really either, my bigger numbers came from concern and guilt. I can clearly remember thinking, "I will never have sex with my wife ever ever ever again! NEVER!" for what I had done to her. Ha ha! Ah, the miracle of life.
Benessa says:
My husband was allowed in the room the entire time even during the epi.
Oh yeah, that's wise. The epidural was when my husband almost Xed. They asked him to hold my hands, and that epi hit a nerve and pain rushed in worse than anything else before or since (even including the worst of the natural birth of my third). I started squealing and suddenly it was the nurse who was holding my hands, not my husband. He told me later it was because he almost fainted, and not cause of the needle, but because of the needle + me screaming.
Not all epis are like that, thankfully. Only reason I didn't get one on my third was we got there too late.
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Liza@Blahggy says:
Lasagna. Oh, Jesus Christ.
Sorry! Charlie threw that one out over the phone and then after I was done laughing and he realized I was going to use it, he asked if that might be too much. I figured too much is never enough when you're talking about child birth.
brandi says:
I personally *loved* the lasagna part! Good choice!
SuzRocks says:
As one of those healthcare professionals that gets to giggle at the dad's expressions/white face/etc, I think this chart is awesome.
I may even print it out and hand it to expectant dads.
Whoa! "Print it out and hand it to expectant dads"??? How To Be A Dad just became practically doctor recommended! Ha ha!
Sarah_Moon says:
My husband was calm cool and collected throughout my 36 1/2 hour first labor. He rarely left my side except when they came in to cause more pain then the act of birth actually caused.
When he walked into my hospital room the next morning I saw a stranger he had gone completely gray every hair on his head and his beard had aged. He never lost it LOL
Oh man! We neglected accelared aging. Please forgive us and know that we very much appreciate you sharing.
Oh my word! I knew stuff could turn you grey, but not that fast!
Mich says:
I hope we care equally when our daughters come into the world?
Gender wouldn't matter to me. The idea that it would for some dads or in some cultures, where they would care more or less based on either gender, just creeps and grosses me out.
I can't wait to have a daughter, if we decide to have another child. I want a little girl I can protect who will have boyfriends that I scare the living sh*t out of….
Catherine says:
Just make sure you do the Southern Dad thing. Have the boyfriend over while you are cleaning guns. And say things like.. nope.. not afraid to go back to jail.. nope… have her home by 10pm!
Christina says:
My husband and I wanted boys so bad… I'm 35 weeks pregnant with our THIRD girl. Hubby is looking forward to scaring the boys, I'm dreading dealing with the girls (we are way worse, in my opinion). lol
Mr Lady says:
My son watched my daughter be born. I will never be able to fully document that reaction.
Or afford the therapy that shall follow.
OMG, my son asked if he could watch Baby 3. I told him I don't even want to watch Baby 3 being born.
I honestly completely forgot about that aspect: KIDS witnessing the miracle. Ha ha ha! The visual I'm getting is amaaaaaazing!
I do have to say that my husband watched all three of my c-sections and he still wants to have sex. I alternate between being grossed out and grateful.
THAT is hilarious! Lizzie was super concerned I wouldn't want to because of the "lasagna" factor. Which is just proof that pregnancy and childbirth can have strange effects on a woman's judgement. She's gorgeous and I love her and I lost count of the number of times I asked "So, uh, how soon did they say before we can, uh…?"
Abie says:
"we know that seeing our wives do what they did and our sons come into this world is something that cannot be given value"
Whereas our daughters can eat s##t and die.
Wow. That was dark. The statement "our sons" comes from the fact that Charlie and I have only pulled boys in the slot machine of reproduction. Have a look at: http://www.howtobeadad.com/about
Oh, Abie. I wish we were as crass and chauvinistic to say "sons" and mean "children". Because then that way, we could get even more people to this site by being more shocking.
My wife and I thought were going to have a girl before our son was born. I was BEYOND EXCITED at the idea.
But keep commenting and coming back. WE LOVE HEARING FROM PEOPLE!
Avara says:
Whereas Andy and Charlie are being nice, I wanted to say that your post was just plain rude, Abie. Andy has three SONS, Charlie and I have one child…also a SON. It has nothing to do with girls vs. boys. Perhaps it might be wise to think twice before writing such insulting things to strangers?
Go, Avara! Shakespeare got it wrong. Hell hath no fury like a MOTHER scorned.
P.S. Without trying to sound too preachy, I don't think Abie's suggested nutritional program for daughters is very advisable.
tystiles says:
Love it! For the record I rocked the birth of my son like i'd been there a million times – held her legs up, cut the chord, all of it. Coming from a dude who can't give blood because he will pass out at the site of a needle…
I know this is a dumb response, but what you said made me instantly think of "Dadbo: First Blood." Hey, they can't all be winners!
Thanks for sharing and for being a rockstar, the world needs as many rad dads as it can muster!
DadStreet says:
I was a 1 both times with a bit of 2 for good mix. My wife had a C both times so I didn't see much but did peak over a bit which was a little @#)()$*!@!
We went through 4 years of scientific procedures and Frankenstien like experiments to have our little monsters so I was a bit broken in. Although, I'm not one for gross stuff and by gross I mean anything not directly related to sex.
Brilliant! I like your definition. Gross: adj. anything not directly related to sex. Ha ha ha ha!
But, wait, my interest is peaked. What Frankenstein experimentation did two you have to endure? Sounds fertility related. I've got friends that have been trying for years, tried all kinds of crazy stuff, and are ready for cybernetic implants to help out (as soon as they're covered by their health plan).
You can share, or tell me to STFU. Or turn away and pretend I never even asked anything. After all, this is the Internet.
adriana says:
my husband looked like number 3 the whole time but was thinking like number 8.
Ha ha! Looks can be deceiving. I think we all have our outward numbers and our inward numbers.
B says:
Love it. As a mom of 3 I would have appreciated someone informing my husband how NOT to react in the delivery room. As a nurse? I find this absolutely hysterical.
Claude Plowman says:
Becoming a dad will be my greatest accomplishment in life. I strongly recommend to all future dads the need to make time for childcare leave. I took 6 weeks. Twice. Looking back the time off being the caregiver for my family was the best investment I ever made. It strengthened the bond with my wife. I never left the hospital. The nurse only took vital signs and administered meds. I did everything else. Each time our child only left the hospital room briefly for the nurses' shift change. It's hard to believe this all took place years ago. Now when our family relives those moments my wife and children realize just how special they are to me. Children truly are a miracle from God.
God Bless,
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Bodaciousboomer says:
I really like your chart. And for the most part women do have the monopoly on pain in childbirth, save the rare time a mom in labor actually grabs her hubs crotch and gives it a twist.
I came up with an invention years ago that would let a man who truly, earnestly wants to share the pain of childbirth do it.
A plastic cup cradles the testicles. Then when the woman has a contraction a corresponding jolt of electricity lasting just as long and as intensely goes up the wire to the cup then to his family jewels.
Strangely, no company has stepped forward begging to produce it. Go figure.
Uhhhh… sign me up? "Okay, Honey, get ready to push, here we go (whimper)…AAAAAUURGH!!!"
Bodaciousboomer says:
I admire your fortitude kiddo.
Anything for the woman I love aka the woman who passes a baby out of her vagina for me. Should the occasion arise again, I'm sure she'll be interested in the prototype.
Sara V. says:
Love the lasagna comment. My husband described delivery as "watching your best friend being murdered with an ax".
Charlie made me make a pee pee spot from laughing. But let's keep that between us, okay? Oh wait…
Tatiana says:
this one made my laugh out loud and think oh my god why am I laughing, that's terrible?!
It's what I'm here for. Laughter. And pee pee spots.
John says:
…12 days ago missed the birth of my son, was conned by Thai nurses that they'd wake me up when something started to happen but woke up naturally just after the happy event – no attempt on their part to involve/revive me.
I think they'd seen your chart and know most foreigners go to 11.5 at least.
I'm still disappointed (I think), my wife's not (I know).
Oh man, that sucks so bad, but your comment is hilarious! Go get her pregnant again and when she goes into labor, pour super glue all over your hand and high five her playfully. My promise to you:
Laura says:
hahahaha, I can't stop laughing!! hahaahaha hahahahaha hahahaha.
Is there such a thing as contagious text laughter? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! YES. Yes, there is.
Oli says:
Lol. I love you guys. My husband and and I had our first baby via home birth in a kiddie pool in our living room! He was so supportive during the "gross bits." he was in front of me watching the whOle time telling me how close I was. He caught the baby and cut the cord. ( with our midwife- were not birth alone crazies) he was 1-2 that whole time. But earlier in the day he had to start pulling weeds in the yard to cope with my contractions.
I've never seen him so happy to see my mother.
I love love love this comment. Ugh! You people are so crazy amazing! "I've never seen him so happy to see my mother." Ha ha ha ha ha! Congrats!
We'll promise to keep providing material you can blame your insane laughter on as parenthood drives you insane.
Annie says:
We spent a great deal of time preparing my doctor. Explaining to them that he would in fact pass out if he had to see or deal with anything gross. We explained that despite his time fighting in two wars for some reason his brain considers child birth very different. He also cannot give blood without passing out. (that has changed since then but at the time he couldn't)
Well that all went out the window when due to NO fluid I had to have her almost a month early and she was not handling contractions well. Cue: emergency c-section DURING a tornado. The doctors were on the phone with their kids telling them to get into the closet during my c-section. The nurses in other parts of the hospital were rushing patients into the inner parts of the hospital. They didn't give a sh*t about him passing out. They whipped her out of me as fast as possible and handed her to him without a thought. They plopped that placenta down right next to him. When he tells the story of that day it will bring tears to your eyes from laughter. He said it took everything he had as a Marine to NOT pass out. I am not sure who was traumatized more me or him! I didn't get to see my daughter for close to six hours because of the weather. They had to put the babies some place secure. So in the end he had the look of 3 but he was at an 11,00000000 in his head. So that is the first and last time I will do THAT.
You need to sell movie rights to this comment! WOW!!!
Wow…ditto. That would make a good TV Special if nothing out. "True stories from the delivery room, tonight at 5 pm."
Sonya says:
What a story! Most military guys i know about passed out too. As a medic my husband as seen a whole host of grizzly things, but he threatened to divorce me if i ever made him sit with me through another c-section.
britter says:
Best story ever!
Natalie says:
"We may never look at lasagna the same again…" So, so hilarious. I'll have to tell my husband this (and dad to our 16 month old) and see what he says.
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Selena & Anna says:
An Annie & Isabel designer hospital gown might help distract the hubbies from what they are seeing and help reduce the birth reaction:-) This is our favorite assessment tool!!!!!
Ha ha! Nice plug. But you forgot the link.
NOTE: There are no Ed Hardy hospital gowns on this website, people. It's a Douchebag-Free zone.
Liz the Insane says:
Been sharing this assessment tool with every pregnant couple I know (which is quite a few these days!) Everyone gets a huge kick out of it!
Wow! Go you! You rock, THANKS!
Ryan says:
Thanks for posting this. Our first born came along 1 week ago and my wife swears I hit more than a few of these marks. The best part of your article was when my wife asked about the lasagna reference. When she first mentioned it, I wasn't sure lasagna made sense. But as I described lasagna, I busted out laughing and said next time we'd use a mirror so she too could understand. I guess it's one of those things you just have to see to understand. Anyway, you guys are killar. Thanks for writing about this stuff. My wife and I love it.
Ha ha ha ha! That's so fantastic! I love the sneak attack the lasagna joke made on you, but don't you dare hand a woman in labor a mirror. If she gets an upclose and personal look at the process, she may break the glass and then someone is going to die or be seriously injured. Ha ha!
Matt says:
I was there for wifey's daughter #3, my daughter #1. Saw everything except the epi, helped cut the cord, carried over to the drying table. Did not witness that after, which from what I understand, was a smart choice. Daughter #4 I wasn't there. Stupid deployment. Child #5, which is due around Aug.-Sept. timeline, I will probably be there for everything as well.
Wow! You're a pro x5!
britter says:
Hilarious! What another view to look at. Fortunately I had a husband who actually fell in 1-2 range and did great. We'll see how #2 is!
Seems like most don't go past two, maybe three, but that wouldn't have made for a terrifically funny diagram, right?
Brian says:
Not sure what my wife would rate me as, I will have to ask her when she and our 17 year old get home from hockey practice tonight. I would rate myself as a 5 on the first, but by the time we got done with number 6, a -2. I knew when she was going to deliver the last one, but could not get the nurse to get the doctor. I ended up delivering our youngest (2 years), but the doctor got in the room in time to cut the cord and clean her up.
Now for number 4, I had to leave after the birth, they could not get the blood to stop. She ended up losing almost 2 quarts by the time they stopped it. Now that was scary.
That sounds crazy scary! Lucas was rough, but it would have moved me way up the scale if there had been that much blood loss. Not because I'm squeamish but because IT'S F##KING HARD TO WATCH YOUR WIFE IN PAIN/DANGER!!!! Whew. Okay, I'm better now.
Rach says:
I was looking up the pain assessment chart image on the the internet and came across this site. I am terrified to give birth to my first new baby now. I was trying to be optimistic like it would be such a miracle and my husband would try to stand strong beside me. Basically I feel terrified and like I will never be attractive again. I wish I never saw this.
Awww, so sorry it freaked you out. This post and our website are supposed to take the steam out of the freak outs of becoming a parent.
I think that telling you not to be terrified won't really do anything, but I'll give it a shot anyways. Don't be afraid. Read the comments here in the post. The vast majority of people barely experienced any drama. The drama depicted in the chart was just an extreme for laughs.
You're right about to embark on an amazing experience and journey. Nerves are expected. Maybe look at them as the nerves you get before meeting someone you really admire, getting married, or the excitement of going to a place you've always wanted to visit.
Or go look at the other posts on our website, I'm pretty sure they'll melt away some of the fear or worry you may have.
Don't worry. What's attractive changes. My tummy turned to mush, and my husband says he likes it. I used to think "What, in a sci-fi kinda way?," until he took a photo of my stomach…he snapped it when I was laying down and had my eyes closed…thought he was taking a picture of something else then he showed me. I just stared at that picture thinking, "Wow, that's…actually beautiful." and "Wow, this is how he sees me."
You will still totally be attractive to your husband. Even if he doesn't like what pregnancy does to your tummy, he'll be too happily distracted by what it does to your breasts.
I love this. Beautiful share. Thank you.
Joanna says:
Please don't freak out! You can do this! I had 2 drug free deliveries and while my hubby was likely a bit higher on the scale some of the time he was still strong beside me as I needed him to be. I encourage you to find some good natural birth stories (even if you are not aiming for drug-free, the stories might help you feel better). Birth is an amazing, messy, awesome thing however it happens, but finding a way through the fear is the so important!
(I am pretty sure my hubby hit 11 on your scale after the 2nd was born when he made the mistake of looking over when they were pushing on my stomach/uterus and a gush of blood came out. It was only a little more then normal and they gave me a pitocin shot and it took care of things, but still, I think seeing that aged him by about 10 years. After the first he had been smart and was still looking at the baby).
I also may have grossed him out when I asked the midwife both times to show me the placenta. =) I am with the Whoa Science poster on this one! haha
porche says:
this is very useful! My husband and I are expecting our first born any day now and we are doing a unassisted home birth (the risks have been assessed) so he will be the one catching the baby. Lol
Outburst says:
Am I the only male who was like No. 1 on the pictures? Maybee in Germany we are beforehand better informed about birth and know what will happen? I know no daddy here, who was more than a no. 2.
My girlfriend wanted a natural birth so she pressed my hand (omfg! a 9 on the pain asessment tool) over the full time of the childbirth, relaxing 25 hours. I could barely use my hands for a week.
Outburst says:
P.S.: Lasagna! I love Lasagna! Birth didn´t affect any of my eating preferences!
No actually you're not alone. A lot of dads write in with really low numbers. The scale is more for humorous effect, though I'm sure there have been a few people who've hit the top of the chart.
Yeah, my hand was put through the child birth vice as well. Wow!
Priscilla says:
You know.. my husband was a 1/2 most of the time until the episiotimy. Then he was a 11. LOL. And we're EMTs.
Ha ha ha ha ha! Amazing!
Christan says:
I'm a birth doula (so I help support moms and dads during labor as a profession) and I absolutely love this! I've shown it to a couple of my clients and we have a good laugh… but in reality, it kind of HAS acted as a real-life tool, to get dad to relax and to get the converstaion flowing about what the he expects and what the reality of birth is. I seriously need a poster of this up in my office. I still LOL everytime I see it. When my 2nd son was born, it was my husband's first experience with birth (due to deployment, he met our first son when he was a month old). I tried pretty hard to help him know what to expect, and he did great… until the placenta was born. Then he loudly said "oh my god!" and went to a good 8-9. I'm not sure what he was expecting, but he actually made me laugh out loud right then and there (not an easy task considering I had just given birth). To this day, he gets very animated with his side of the story. "I never expected it to be that BIG and gross, I thought she was birthing an alien twin!" haha, poor guy. Well at least he knows for next time.
LizzieW says:
Love it! My husband was amazingly unsqueamish, and did a very sweet welling up with tears as baby appeared! He panicked later when they handed him the baby…
kevin says:
You missed one. "Cool!"
That was me. I was like the kid who just witnessed some awesome demonstration at the science centre, and now I want to tell my friends and parents about it, and maybe bring them all back and see if she'll do it again.
Now I know there are fellow geeks out there who were all "Whoa! SCIENCE!!"
Mox says:
I'm a stay at home dad and my son came much quicker than expected. I ended up catching him and saw everything. I was at a 10, but also overwhelmingly happy. An experience I'd never trade-in, but one I'd rather never have again, lol.
Jared Hager says:
I would say I was a solid 8 but I never looked below the mason dixon line. I knew if I looked below I would be a 10 or unconscious. Great table
iyas says:
What a fantastic tool! I've fathered 4 kids, natural water birth every time (though I valiantly refused the invitation to step into the pool – probably the wrong time to go for a personal best on the laps). I've been blessed with a fairly expressionless face, so I kinda look like (a balder and fatter) 3 whether I'm feeling 1 or 10. Should've taken up poker. Love this diagram (even if I'm late to the party).
You're never late to our party. Just know that!
Danni says:
So happy to have found you guys on Pinterest, y'all are too funny! I'm hoping my husband isn't deployed when I give birth to our first..Then again he almost fainted before we got married, and there wasn't blood or pain there! Wonder if he'll be able to handle me giving birth haha
Stacie Bingham says:
I am late to the party, too. I have the earthy-birth, hippie, wordy, female version to this chart: http://www.staciebingham.com/2/post/2008/10/doesnt-every-partner-love-birth.html
I suspect my husband likes yours better — I will ask him the next time we are out for an anniversary dinner, which judging by the ages of our boys (14, 12, 8, and 9 months) will be in about 20 years (if they haven't come back home with their kids to live with us, that is…).
Thanks for the ever-important dad-side of things :).
Christina says:
I'm sharing this on FaceBook for all of my friends (first time parents and veterans) that are going to be welcoming babies in the next couple of months. I also have to ask my husband what he was during my first two labors. I think he was a 4-6 during the actual delivery and a 1 the rest of the time. This chart, and the comments, make me laugh because my husband is a trained firefighter and in the Navy, but I have never seen him as frazzled as when I was in labor with our second. I was in so much pain because she'd found a great muscle that, apparently, looked like a good thing to try to tear through (rather than going the RIGHT way). We're 5 weeks away from my due date with not only baby number three, but baby GIRL number three and I think, at this point, he's just adding up wedding shotgun costs.
Karen says:
My hubby was with me during a long and painful labor with our first child. I noticed, through the drug-induced haze, that he would disappear and reappear at intervals. Turned out I had to have a C-Section, which he was not allowed to attend. After it was all said and done he admitted he had gone off to throw up throughout the whole difficult labor, AND he admitted he wouldn't have wanted to be in the OR for the birth, anyway.
Laura says:
My husband is an oddball, never left 1, and after two births with a front row seat (my OB believes in letting dad have a good view of the action if they want it so she offers a spot next to her) still says childbirth is one of the most amazing things he has ever witnessed. My (female) labor partner who helped us (husband is disabled so she did the things that involved moving and standing in tight spots) has a very different view of childbirth lol.
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Little People, Big Restaurants
Christina Montoya Fiedler: Just when people thought New York was "anti-parent" for banning babies at bars, a whole new breed of five-star restaurants are catering not only to foodie parents, but to their pint-sized gourmets as well.
This trend, highlighted in a recent New York Times article, is causing quite a stir and has parents divided -- those who welcome children in their favorite upper-echelon establishments vs. those who got a sitter for a reason and want a REAL date night.
As a first-time mom, I've been on both sides of the debate. Starved for a good meal and a night out in our Los Angeles suburb, we hit the town with our 4-month-old in tow and headed to a much-talked-about, hipster-studded Italian restaurant. Our little one was asleep -- or so we thought.
His eyes shot open as soon as we crossed the threshold. We spent the entire meal taking turns holding a fussy baby, and the stares were enough to make us pack up the rest of our meal to go. Never again. Not only was the experience "memorable" for anyone sitting within a five-foot radius of us, but it was downright miserable for my husband and me. We have not been back there since, and our son is almost 2.
Now when I'm out with my husband at a nice restaurant, I try to savor our time alone, to talk about things other than the banal day-to-day life of housework and chores. It's "us" time to reconnect. After all, we're paying that babysitter good money to watch our little guy, and when we hear a baby squeal in the corner, we can't help but wonder why those parents didn't do the same. Perhaps this is their first venture out, and once will be enough for them -- as it was for us.
Moms, what do you think? Do babies have a place in swanky restaurants?
I think trying to take your baby out to a nice dinner is just fine, if you know that if the baby starts fussing and becoming a distraction to others, then its time to leave. I have worked in the high end food industry (in the Hampton's) for years, and the disasters parents let their children make can be appalling! Some let the scream until we have to ask them to calm the child down outside, some let the run around the restaurant and talk to other tables, and some just let their children throw food across the place. Its so disgusting to me.
We've taken our child to numerous restaurant, grant it, nothing too swanky, and really haven't had a problem, but we've been lucky. I can't help but wonder why these places, especially really nice places that will accomedate small children, don't make a seperate area for families. That way those who are child free can enjoy their food and those with kids don't have to worry about bothering other patrons. I understand the cost factor, but I can't help but think it's an idea. I have been to a red lobster where kids were acting up, their parents would correct them, but that only settled them down a little. I feel for parents who's kids make a scene, but I'm also annoyed with those who do nothing about it.
I think it would depend on the kid. I know when my daughter was very small I could take her anywhere and she would just sit as happy as could be. Until she turned three and then it was like a switch, the only place she goes with me to eat has a red haired clown as its patron saint, (Which in all actuallity she only gets once every few months). Until I know she can behave herself at a restraunt again I will not make other people who go out to eat put up with Temper tantrums. Maybe when her terrible three's (I always thought 2's were bad) are over we will try out somewhere small, until then she is grandmaing it.
I don't have children so I never had to decide if I was going to take a child to an upscale restaurant but I can tell you, that it is very disturbing to me when parents bring their children to a restaurant and allow them to run wild or scream and cry through the whole meal. Many times, I have gotten up and walked out of a place because of screaming children. And I won't pay the bill at these restaurants either. I believe it is the restaurant's job to ask patrons who are disturbing others to leave. If they won't, I refuse to pay for a meal I ate while a child screamed or misbehaved as the parent looks on, apparently unconcerned.
My kids love food. Give them gourmet food and they are your best friend. They would be good in any restaurant setting as long as they are allowed to eat….even without crayons etc.
We always took our children out with us. They never were allowed to run around in the restaurants. They also learned to eat nice food in nice places. They knew to dress well at the Grand Hotel on Mackinaw Island, meant that they were complemented on being a nice little gentleman (11 years old) and a Lovely little Lady (8 years old). They loved the food, and yes we never had a sitter for the kids. We worked 5 days a week and i felt that, that was enough time spent with out us. And at 21 and 18 if proved the way to go with us. They both know how to act and dress for where they are going. They have become fine adults and were great kids. They knew that at Breakfast with Santa, you did not pick up your sausage with your hands (you used you fork and knife). They only learn when taught and we chose to be the ones to teach them proper maners.
I was just lucky, I guess. Even as infants and toddlers my daughers were generally calm in stores and restaurants. They either snoozed or sat there looking around. They were calm even when servers wanted to touch the wild, crazy thick hair they were born with.
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posted by Debbianne at 5:51 pm (EST) on Jul 13, 2013
Sorry, Debbianne!!!
posted by TinaC1 at 12:52 am (EST) on Jun 5, 2012
Hi Debbie,
I have received it but haven't read it yet! Now I have got the computer back from the 14 year old I will get a chance to read it. I am looking forward to it. Tina
posted by TinaC1 at 12:51 am (EST) on Jun 5, 2012