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Jarod Apperson, a Midtown reader, sent me an interesting analysis of Georgia SAT scores, similar to one that I ran a few years ago, showing that white students in metro schools outperform suburban counterparts. Except he went a bit deeper.
Here is why he compiled the data and what he hopes we learn from it:
Since my analysis has some newer data and focuses on specific schools, people might still be interested in it. I think the fact that North Atlanta is the No. 3 public school in the state for white high school students could be a strong talking point for APS school chief Erroll B. Davis trying to get more middle-class families to stay in the public education system.
It's a narrative that's not heard enough.
To answer your question about how I came to look at this, I became interested in education reform a few years ago when I read a book by Paul Tough called "Whatever it Takes." I've always felt that excellent public education was the best way to create economic mobility between classes.
Unfortunately, what we've seen for years is that schools are as good (or bad) as their inputs. In recent years, a couple of schools have shown capacity to completely alter outcomes and that gets me excited.
And here is his explanation of his chart:
The story of Metro Atlanta's school quality has followed a consistent beat for the past 40 years. You have no doubt heard that inner-city schools are failing while schools outside the Northern Perimeter (particularly North Fulton, Cobb, and Gwinnett) are excelling. I suspect you will be interested, as I was, to find that data made available by the Governor`s Office does not support this commonly held belief.
Nationwide, there is a significant achievement gap between white/Asian students and their black/Hispanic counterparts. As such, school "quality" measures, without consideration of demographics, can become merely a function of inputs rather than a true measure of a schools' impact on its students.
One of the less discussed components of President Bush´s controversial No Child Left Behind Act is the requirement that states break out student performance at a demographic level. As a result of the act, a wealth of detailed performance data, including demographics, has become available in recent years.
An analysis of SAT performance for Metro Atlanta´s white, public high school students yields some expected and unexpected results. As you might expect, 16 of the 25 top-performing public high schools are located in North Fulton, Cobb, or Gwinnett.
However, the very top of the list is dominated by schools inside the perimeter. Six of the 7 top performing high schools in Metro Atlanta are located inside the perimeter, with Chamblee Charter, North Atlanta, and Decatur leading the way.
What this table tells us is that Metro Atlanta´s schools are producing outcomes similar to their inputs. Intown schools have not found a way to dramatically improve outcomes for their disadvantaged students, but their wealthier, white students are doing just fine.
In fact, those white students are outperforming their suburban counterparts.
If you and your family have been considering an in-town move, but fears over school performance have held you back, it´s time to take a second look.
–From Maureen Downey for the AJC Get Schooled blog
NOTE: The data used in this analysis comprises Math and Verbal Scores for the SAT in the years 2009 through 2011. This data was retrieved from the Governor´s Office of Student Achievement on June 2, 2012. Data also including writing scores was not available at a demographically distinct level.
June 3rd, 2012
6:33 am
The embedded image of individual school results didn't appear when i loaded the page. The inference from the text of this blog post is that white APS students from high socioeconomic status households do well on the SAT. Is that really a surprise?
APS is trying to recover from a terrible cheating scandal. The board has been through a period of intense turmoil and turnover. Erroll Davis is a stopgap leader with no heir apparent. That combination would not be much of a lure for folks whose children are doing well in Cobb, Gwinnettt, or North Fulton schools.
June 3rd, 2012
7:18 am
This all boils down to parenting in the end. Most white/asian parents are very proactive in their childrens lives. I do not understand why we keep focusing so much on the schools. It is the parenting that is most of the difference.
We have two educators here at our house and they both see which kids come to school well rested and prepared. They also see which parents show up at open house etc…
June 3rd, 2012
7:45 am
"…boils down to parenting…". An unalterable truth that keeps on ticking.
June 3rd, 2012
7:55 am
Success Charter is the antithesis of a community school. They are trying to break apart by using the shared school space of a successful school already established in a community very similar to Va High in Brooklyn. It is highly controversial so why in the heck would you want to place the success of already established working truly public schools along side a charter network, This smacks of a sneaky way to get Success Charters which is looking to expand its NETWORK of charters into Atlanta. I am not a conspiracy theorist but the success of the intown students has absolutely NOTHING to do with Success Charter and I very much question why it is even included into this piece.
Hooray for the Intown schools and it is due to the incredible level of dedication of some very trusting and hard working parents and teachers and school workers/ admins who value education and value community. Celebrate their success and know that it came from these people not from a charter school network with ties to hedge funds and who's director makes more money than Earl Davis.
June 3rd, 2012
8:04 am
once again we discover water is wet.
two parent children do better than single parent children
children with resources do better than those without
the parts of society which focus on style over substance get neither
there is no substitute for parental involvement in student success.
June 3rd, 2012
8:08 am
it would be an interesting study to see how a one to one view against Gwinnett's mostly well to do white schools, or private schools like Pius or GAC
June 3rd, 2012
8:10 am
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but when one walks & talks like a duck…
ALEC has an agenda…
June 3rd, 2012
8:10 am
@ puzzling
results comparatively, I'll take the rich hedge fund connected guy over Erroll Davis anytime.
the former gets results, the latter sleeps behind the wheel
June 3rd, 2012
8:14 am
Please remember that the scores of Chamblee Charter High School also include those of the students in the Magnet program. The magnet program while housed at Chamblee is not part of Chamblee and the scores should be reported separately as should all scores in schools which contain magnet programs. I have spoken to former teachers, parents and grandparents of children in the residenct program at Chamblee (my alma mater) and they are tired of all of the money and resources going to the magnet program. This is OT here, but I will say and have said loudly, that resident students at Chamblee have suffered with the magnet program in the same building. Don't believe me? Try and get a breakdown of scores resident v magnet.
June 3rd, 2012
8:27 am
@SugarHillDawg: That's not the point of his analysis at all. I've taught many wealthy white kids whose parents don't give one flaming damn about their actual learning, but about getting a grade they feel is appropriate for their social standing. In fact, I had more parents care about actual learning and respect when I taught in a Title I school – and my most supportive parents were Hispanic who spoke little English and grandmothers raising their grandchildren, both black and white. Please no more obviously racist generalizations. It's tired and counterproductive.
As for the analysis, very interesting and what a breath of fresh air. I've suspected that to be true, but never had the time or inclination to do the work to find out.
June 3rd, 2012
8:27 am
Maureen, I am a pretty faithful reader and intermittent comment writer. I am surprised that this piece that starts off about analysis of white student success intown versus suburban and veers into Success Charter is included here. It sounds like a puff piece for Success Charters which has been written about extensively in other areas- Washington Post, New York Times etc.
This reads as a puff piece for this charter network instead of an examination of what IS working in the intown schools. Instead of examining the aspects that are working and driving conversations around what could be done to bridge divides, eye ball time has been granted to read about this controversial charter that has driven a wedge into some very cohesive neighborhoods. I am surprised.
June 3rd, 2012
8:29 am
I sure would like to see the table.
June 3rd, 2012
8:32 am
Suggestion: For those who utlize Twitter, start following Diane Ravitch. Your eyes will be opened with regards to Charters, voucher programs, etc., She has a wonderful piece in Education Week, I believe, about whether Charter Schools ar really public schools. It will really open eyes – unless you are one of those legislators who doesn't want their eyes opened.
June 3rd, 2012
8:38 am
@Bootney, when the profits have been wrung through and the 'success' of the schools is to divide neighborhoods and leave an even greater divide between the haves and the have nots, something is truly broken.
Hedge funds are driving what exactly these days except short sighted self interest? Tumultuous ups and downs is not exactly a recipe for success in a long payoff enterprise that education actually is. Education as monetary investment should not come at the expense of children who need stability and continuation in their path to success. Especially those who don't have the luxury of two parent family incomes, two parent family oversight and two parent family expectations.
June 3rd, 2012
8:39 am
NorthAtlanta teacher….your rebuke of Sugar Hill Dawg was well warranted. But it begs a different question. Namely, what is the role of the school (and therefore society) in the lives of so many minority students whose families have so little regard in the education and welfare of their kids? Is it the school's responsibility to be the student's family?
June 3rd, 2012
8:47 am
@Dunwoody Mom. I second you on that.
Charters started off as being such a great idea and it has morphed into this cash cow. Teacher churn, TFA replacements every two years and voila, you have a built in cheap work force with very little incentive to actually improve their craft, and hedge fund managers who love the profit margins even of these not for profit charters. The real estate deals, technology for virtual school deals and tax breaks are enough to make investors like even the not for profits.
June 3rd, 2012
8:51 am
Here is the link to the article on Charter Schools:
June 3rd, 2012
8:59 am
@Hmmmm: I don't know what the answer is. If I did, I'd write a book, go on Oprah and open my own school.
The same problems tend to exist in poor and wealthy areas, the main difference is public perception. We have kids who are abused, who do not get enough to eat, who are chronically absent, who have horrible home lives. In wealthy suburban areas, it all tends to be swept under the rug very quickly and the "it doesn't happen here" mentality reigns supreme. Mostly (notice – not all), parents do not want the help of the school – unless it is to further an image of success and perfection, real or otherwise.
I think it's easy to say poor people don't value education and wealthy people do – huge generalization. It's all about image and perception.
June 3rd, 2012
9:17 am
Let the charter school bashing begin.
Diane Ravitch is just as blind as those who unilaterally support all charters; she does not discriminate between for-profit charters and not-for-profit charters. Everyone goes into the pot, and they are all bad. I have asked her repeatedly to articulate how, exactly, she would change education, and she has never responded. Bash, bash, bash, with no suggestions in sight. Productive. Because she is, obviously, changing the world by blogging.
@Bootney has it right: water is wet. White people, for whatever reason you'd like to elucidate, have always gotten the better end of the deal. Go on back and read Jonathan Kozol's "Savage Inequalities" if you need more evidence of that.
(Sorry about the quotes, even though it is a book. Not sure how to italicize.)
June 3rd, 2012
9:38 am
@diane is Biased…would you care to provide examples of Diane discriminating against not-for-profit charters? Her whole argument deals with charter schools and their incestuous relationships with for-profit companies.
June 3rd, 2012
9:38 am
Lakeside's, Druid Hills, Dunwoody's, Chamblee's and Decatur's white and asian kids will invariably do well. They are most likely living in fairly expensive, two parent homes and their parents (at least one) probably has a decent, professional job — if its DHHS or LHS, it's probably as a professor at Emory or Tech or GA State, at the CDC, or as a Doctor, Lawyer or CPA — that's the community in which these communities are located. The scores, though, are a bit deceptive, as at at least one of these schools, many of the "successful" kids have a battery of tutors who are helping to supplement the daily classwork and the SAT/ACT scores at a pretty high cost to the parents.
June 3rd, 2012
9:49 am
"Intown schools have not found a way to dramatically improve outcomes for their disadvantaged students, but their wealthier, white students are doing just fine."
And right there is the logical fallacy, in the argument when trying to excuse away lack luster academic results within the black community. In fact it is down right denial of the the obvious, but somehow it must all come down to money. Immigrants from all over the world come to our country, attend these very same schools and achieve spectacular results. Many of these immigrants have nothing more then the clothes on their backs and enough food in the pantry to make it to tomorrow and yet somehow they manage to win spelling bees, history competitions, and all sorts of other academic honors. It all comes down to priorities and personal values.
If education was truly simply a matter of wealth, Abraham Lincoln would have never been a lawyer or a President. Give up on trying to draw parallels between income and intellect. It is intellectually dishonest.
June 3rd, 2012
9:50 am
@ puzzling
your apparent issues with the free market aside, it's a simple issue.
the evil hedge fund guy is successful. Erroll Davis is not. more over, he sat on his hands
will GPC spent itself in the biggest debt crisis a single institution has ever had.
and refused to take action against an out of control president despite mountains of
evidence of problems.
corporate success vs cronyism. easy choice for me
June 3rd, 2012
9:55 am
It is important to note that are virtually no poor and even lower middle class white families left in DeKalb. It is not surprising that the few white students left in DeKalb do well, they are genetically programmed to do so. There is mounds of research that supports both race and socio-economic level as having a strong correlation to the scores on the SAT.
There are about 500-600 white high school seniors in any given year in DeKalb. Walton High School alone has about 500 white seniors a year.
For comparison purposes, those 500 white seniors at Walton are being compared with a tiny sample at schools like North Atlanta (44 test takers) and Grady (67). Every family I know at NA and Grady have a choice. If the school doesn't work out, they can make another choice, private, or move. I also know families who live in the Walton district whose kids are in private schools because the school is too competitive for their children.
I am a DeKalb County parent, but most of my closest friends live in the suburbs and I gotta tell you their children are having a far better educational experience than the kids in DeKalb. The number of really weak administrators and teachers are fewer and far between. Their systems, though they have bumps in the road, face none of the challenges that DeKalb and Atlanta do.
As to Chamblee, when Dr. Brown was here, he had the scores broken out for magnet vs non-magnet, and the non-magnet part of Chamblee had among the lowest SAT scores in the county. DSA has admission standards. Riverwood has benefited from an IB magnet (which I think is now not really a magnet) plus an annual infusion of private school kids who enter in 9th grade. I love living close-in, but would we do it again? Probably not.
June 3rd, 2012
9:59 am
Just a grunt,
Well said.
June 3rd, 2012
9:59 am
@ diane/biased
at GPC I see our native born, low income black kids do amazing things daily.
but it is undeniable on the whole, American blacks with a better standard of living
than most of their actually African counterparts with a much worse standard of living
lag well behind in the classroom.
to be fair, however, we must acknowledge anyone willing to undergo the rigors of coming
here is already an A+ person with high motivation and drive. it would almost be a bigger issue if
they didn't achieve
June 3rd, 2012
10:17 am
I don't know about Chamblee but the same goes for Wheeler in Cobb. I suspect that those higher scores are coming mainly from the magnet students. Is it just a fluke that the magnet schools in Cobb are all placed in the poor performing schools? I guess not. Frankly I was surprised at how low these scores were for the "good" schools in Cobb. I would have thought that Pope and Walton would have had higher scores.
June 3rd, 2012
10:34 am
@homeschooler – I can't speak for how Chamblee runs their magnet, but Wheeler magnet students ARE considered Wheeler students. Outside of the math and science magnet classes, the other classes like English Lit, History, and electives are all taken with the "unwashed masses," so to speak.
Of Wheeler's approximately 2000 students, less than a quarter of them are magnet, and of the 125 accepted freshmen each year, there is some attrition. Additionally, a percentage of those students are districted to Wheeler anyway. I'm not going to deny that having a math and science magnet helps boost our scores, but to say that our scores are only a reflection of the magnet students is inaccurate.
For the record, I speak as the mom of two NON-magnet students – both of my kids got a great education at Wheeler despite the fact they are very much humanities-driven and not science-driven. The school has excellent honors classes and AP choices for magnet and non-magnet alike. Although we draw from some lower-income neighborhoods, we also draw from some half-million-dollar + neighborhoods – and they are adjacent to the same type of neighborhoods that feed into Walton.
June 3rd, 2012
10:38 am
@NorthAtlanta Teacher…..so in your opinion, the notion that a good education is only a "white thing"…a belief that is supposedly held by many black people, is false??
June 3rd, 2012
10:39 am
It seems that we now have proof that inner city white students to better that suburban white students because of an AJC report! Really! The AJC should really stop selling lies and dreams to its readers! Is North Atlanta really being called an urban school! Really! What about all the social problems of a failed school plan called SLCs! When will the people of Atlanta demand real push back on the topics like education! The AJC has no clue about education !
Question 1: What is the makes the parents of North Atlanta more informed on education than Cobb patents? North Atlanta High school has not made AYP in six years! AJC why has this not being reported in this report!
Recommendations: Leave education alone and cover stories like a cat being caught in a tree!
June 3rd, 2012
10:40 am
"Three-year average." Why Three-Year Average? Why not just Average, or Four-Year Average, or x-Year Average?
Send to email@example.com the data that went into constructing the chart. The data should include the number of test takers per test administration per school.
June 3rd, 2012
10:42 am
Another point to note, we have non-white families and non-asian families at DHHS and at LHS who have kids who are just as successful as the white and asian kids… the difference is that they are from two parent homes with successful, upper middle class parents — they are not the "stero-typical" "inner-city" "bussed" AYP kids in the statistics. These schools would be very "diverse" and multi-cultural without the AYP "mix" that AYP has handed them. With the socio-economics of being "in district" the racial breakdown, I believe, of all the races, would probably be pretty even — it's when you add in the scores of the AYP transfers, which add in, mostly (and I"m assuming) single-parent, homes, driving an hour or more in each direction, from a different socio-economic bracket, that the scores are more varied. I have friends, black, whose children are at Ivey and near-Ivey schools based mostly on merit who are in-district — because they have the values they instilled in their own kids. They live in-district. The issues are much more "cultural" than "school" based. But, as most of you have figured out by now, I do think if more of the money was put into the classroom and wasn't being diverted into "pet" projects, I think we'd be much further along….
June 3rd, 2012
10:45 am
@Maureen: Is there data available for the number of students tested at each school during this three year period? Also, what about controlling for free and reduced lunch, regardless of race?
June 3rd, 2012
10:47 am
@Teacher of truth: With all due respect, AYP is not a measure of anything valuable.
June 3rd, 2012
10:54 am
@Hmmm…? I do not understand your point.
June 3rd, 2012
10:54 am
" Intown schools have not found a way to dramatically improve outcomes for their disadvantaged students, but their wealthier, white students are doing just fine".
Please Maureen, I missed the part where they compared parental income between the white and black counterparts at in town schools, so exactly what source are you quoting that says the white students who scored higher had higher family incomes? Or did you just make that part up?
June 3rd, 2012
10:55 am
Well said Just a Grunt….
Being a first generation immigrant from a third world country 35 yrs ago, in my opinion obtaining a good education is almost entirely based on parental involvement and expectations. If little exists, all the money thrown at schools (public vs private, OTP vs ITP) won't matter
June 3rd, 2012
10:58 am
"many of the "successful" kids have a battery of tutors"
Yes Anon, it is called their parents.
June 3rd, 2012
10:59 am
@northatlantateacher: There is data available for the number of students tested on the Governor´s Office of Student Achivement. I am working on a more comprehensive review of performance at all metro schools (including elementary and middle), which will also consider economic advantage/disadvantage.
June 3rd, 2012
11:03 am
Korean and Japanese kids attend Saturday School as a rule.
June 3rd, 2012
11:04 am
@NorthAtlantaTeacher, I guess I tipped my hand with my latest comment. But my question to you as an experienced teacher is the supposition that home/parental involvement is THE most influential predictive factor as to whether a child succeeds in school.
a. Do you agree?
b. Do you find that non-white, non-Asian parents have less involvement in their children's education?
June 3rd, 2012
11:06 am
Maureen, actually, it appears Jarod made the statement, so sorry for the snarky remark. And although I do not doubt it is true, if it is not part of the study, why start tossing out assumptions?
June 3rd, 2012
11:06 am
@Hugh: Good comment. The Governor´s Office does not break out economic status by race. However, according to census data, the areas zoned for the high-performing intown schools have significantly higher incomes.
June 3rd, 2012
11:15 am
@Jarod: Thanks. Now that it's summer, I have time to look!
June 3rd, 2012
11:18 am
a. It depends on the quality and motivation of the involvement.
b. I think SES is more predictive than race, but it all depends on the why behind the involvement.
June 3rd, 2012
11:21 am
Hugh Beaumont; no, really, outside tutors — math tutors, science tutors, even some have English and language tutors — but mainly math tutors (retired math teachers are really making a bunch of money). Applerouth and Kaplan and other testing companies are making a bunch of money on SAT and ACT tutoring.. the kids have a lot of outside help that are "flying under the radar screen."


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One of the reasons for establishing Olympic National Park was to insure "protection and preservation of interesting fauna, notably the rare Roosevelt elk. . . ." There are 54 species and subspecies of wild mammals occupying their primitive homes on the Olympic Peninsula.2 Probably all of these occur within the park. The wildlife picture is not a static one, however, as natural disturbances, time, and man bring changes in numbers, kinds, and distribution.
Climatic changes have greatly affected the animal life. There have been periods of extreme cold and periods of warmth. At least four times the Ice-Age glaciers advanced and melted back. When ice sheets moved down from the north and extensive glaciers formed in the mountains, the animals left. When the ice retreated, the animals returned. Not all animal types were able to survive. Thus, some animals that once lived in Washington are now extinct. One of these was the mastodon, resembling the present-day elephant. In 1950, a fossil skeleton of a mastodon was found in an excavation on a farm near Port Angeles, and tusks and parts of skeletons have been found from time to time in the bluffs east of Port Angeles.
Because the Olympic Mountains are isolated from other mountains, some animals of the Pacific Northwest have never found their way to the park. For instance, several kinds of animals in the Cascade Mountains are unknown in the Olympics. These include the mantled ground squirrel, pika or cony, red fox, and pine marten. The wolverine, now rare in the Cascades, has never been seen in the Olympics. But animals move about, and it is entirely possible that there will be natural additions to the Olympic fauna. Dr. Scheffer has stated that the red fox and the porcupine are expected to invade the Peninsula sometime in the present century. During 1951, two porcupines were seen on the Peninsula near the oceanone at Kalaloch and another south of Queets Village.
Other changes have been brought about directly or indirectly by man. The Olympic wolfa big, gray, magnificent animalwas once fairly numerous, but, because of merciless poisoning and hunting before the park was established, it is now probably extinct.
The coyote, renowned for his ability to survive civilization, has invaded the Olympic Peninsula during the present century. To some extent this animal fills the ecologic niche left vacant by the disappearance of the Olympic wolf.
Long before the national park was established, mountain goats were brought from British Columbia and Alaska and released on Mount Storm King, near Lake Crescent. The transplanted animals have thrived and multiplied, and have spread eastward across the park.
The animals of the park are an integral part of the wilderness scene. The principal purpose for which the park was established was to preserve and display the natural wilderness. Thus, the animals are wild, living in their natural habitat. Not only must the animals and their normal habits be preserved, but their wilderness home as well. Whether the presence of man will be disturbing to the wilderness and its dwellers depends upon how humans behave in it. Any act that would tend to break down wilderness animal behavior is harmful to wildlife and is a violation of park rules.
Proper behavior of park visitors in the presence of national park animals may need explanation. The feeding of wild animals by man is harmful to their best interest. For thousands of years they have been able to feed themselves, and their continued well-being depends on their doing so now and in the future. For example, black bears in Olympic have not yet become delinquent and troublesome, but bears, by nature, are inclined to become spoiled if artificial feeding habits are encouraged. Bears normally eat many kinds of plant and animal foods, but a camper's larder contains tidbits that would tickle the palate of any bear. If an animal learns to associate food delicacies with campers, he will repeatedly seek experiences of that kind to the everlasting annoyance, misfortune, and even tragedy of the campers. The thought less camper who willfully, or negligently, starts the bear on the road to ruin may escape the consequences. It is the bear himself and those who appear on the scene later who suffer for the deeds of earlier campers. The bear may become a dangerous nuisance and may have to be destroyed.
The only intelligent and humane solution is to refrain from all practices which tend to disturb or change the animal's normal way of life. Self-restraint and good camping practice are necessary in order to accomplish this. Under no circumstances offer food to a bear or leave food or garbage where he can get at it. Remember he is powerfully muscled and can climb trees. Garbage, including cans and bottles, should be burned not only to destroy all that is edible but to destroy food odors. Then, when the charred cans and bottles are placed in refuse containers or buried, if in remote campsites, the bears will not smell them and dig them out.
While emphasis has been placed on the proper relationship with the bear, the same attitude toward other animals will help insure their well-being and your safety. Any attempt to feed a deer or a bear invites serious and even fatal injury. Proper conduct in relation to the wild animals is so important that regulations now prohibit the feeding, touching, teasing, or molesting of any bear, deer, elk, moose, buffalo, bighorn, or antelope in national parks. The first three are found in Olympic.
As long as the animals remain completely wild there is little danger from them. The majority of animal kinds are small, rare, secretive, or nocturnal, and for these or some other reasons they may not easily be seen. They will try to avoid contact with people, and your problem will be to find them and to get close enough to see them well, without disturbing them. Therefore, it is necessary to study their habits and to meet them on their own terms if one is to see them.
There is no scarcity of animals in Olympic; but the conditions for seeing even the larger ones, such as elk, deer, and bear, are not as favorable as in Yellowstone National Park, for instance. Olympic has less open country where unobstructed views may be enjoyed, especially in the lowlands. Even in the "high country" the rolling or rugged topography allows animals to move quickly out of sight behind ridges or rock outcrops.
These difficulties should not discourage you from trying to see the animals. The following suggestions may help you to see some of the more interesting ones:
ROOSEVELT ELK.The Roosevelt elk is also popularly known as the Olympic elk, because the largest remaining herds of this animal are on the Olympic Peninsula. The number here totals approximately 6,000 animals. These elk, however, still are found in various other parts of their original range, which includes the coastal forests from southern British Columbia to northern California.
The elk is the largest of the American deer family, except the moose. The bulls sometimes weigh as much as 1,000 pounds and the cows, 700. Both sexes have a heavy brown mane and a pale, yellowish rump patch. The bulls carry antlers, which are shed in late winter.
Generally, the elk spend the winters in the lowland forests and the summers in the higher mountain meadows. Some of them, however, remain in the lowlands even in summer, so that it is possible to see elk in some of the western valleys of the park the year round.
During certain times of the year their presence is audible. In May and June when the calves are born the cows sometimes bugle, and more frequently the calves give a high-pitched squeal.
Elk are polygamous and during the rutting season a bull will gather a harem, consisting of a few to a dozen or more cows, which he attempts to hold against all other bulls. There is much bugling by the bulls thenthrilling wilderness calls. You will probably recognize the source of this call the first time you hear it. The bulls become less shy during the rutting season and will permit closer approach. This should be done cautiously, however.
Almost any high-country meadow, except in the north to northeast part of the park, may hold a herd of elk during the months of July, August, and September. Cows, calves, and yearlings gather and remain in large herds until split up by the bulls when the mating season begins in the fall. During the summer the bulls remain apart from the cows, either in small groups or alone. The rutting period lasts from early September to mid-October and tapers off for another month after that.
When the snow deepens in the mountains the elk that have summered in the high country come down into the valleys where they gather in herds that may number 50 or more animals.
COLUMBIAN BLACK-TAILED DEER.The black-tailed deer is one of the most frequently observed of the larger mammals. Usually, it is seen in the early morning, late afternoon, evening, and often at nightthe preferred feeding times. It remains bedded down in some secluded spot during much of the day. Anyone driving the highways in western Washington at night is likely to see a deer suddenly bound out of the forest onto the highway. It may be so near as to present the danger of being struck by the car. Where highways pass through localities having large deer populations, State highway signs warn motorists of this danger.
Both Hurricane Ridge and Deer Park are favorite summering grounds for deer. They prefer the Upper Hudsonian Life Zone in summer where forest and meadow mingle to provide the deer both nutritious food and nearby secluded shelter. A visit to either of these areas at deer mealtime is likely to be rewarding.
With encouragement and repeated opportunities to sample human food, a deer will become "spoiled"a beggar lacking the sleekness and alertness of a wild creature. It is then no more than a specimenlike a plucked flower about to wilt. Also it is potentially dangerous to the person who tries to feed it, for it can, and may, strike damaging blows with its sharp hooves. In the autumn mating season, males, "tame" or wild, are particularly dangerous.
BLACK BEAR.Bears may be seen from sea level to alpine meadows during the summer and early fall. The socially disinclined bear travels alone except for the mother with cubs. However, several bears may be in the same neighborhood for the same reasonfood. From the ridgetop the sleek, black forms may be seen against the green in the lush meadows below, where they search out ants, small rodents, and succulent herbage of various kinds. On mountain slopes covered with ripened huckleberries in late summer, bears become so engrossed while gorging on the delectable fruits that they may be stalked from down wind. A bear's keen nose quickly distinguishes nonwilderness odors. Should a shifting breeze waft a scent message his way, you will have to find yourself another bear to stalk. A bear's hearing is good, but his vision is less acute.
Bears frequent valley bottoms and other lowland areas during the late fall, winter, and spring and may be seen along streams during salmon runs. Apparently, bears in the Olympics do hibernate, but the mild winters make a long dormancy unnecessary. Apparently, all Olympic bears are blackthe brown pelage phase has not been reported.
A black bear is not a dangerous animal unless he has learned to seek food from people or from their camps. Although a mother bear with cubs is not to be trifled with, a bear without those family responsibilities is easily frightened by a shout or other sudden loud noise.
OLYMPIC MARMOT.These animals of the rock slides and boulder piles are easily seen at Deer Park. Marmots come out of hibernation sometime in May and remain active until early September. Usually they can be expected to come out in the middle of the afternoon when the weather is pleasant and to remain outdoors until evening. They do not wander far from their dens to feed, play, or to lie sunning on a log or rock.
Although marmots may best be seen and photographed at Deer Park, these animals occur also on Hurricane Ridge and in other high-country localities. The marmot blends well with his surroundings. You may not be aware of his presence until you hear his shrill alarm whistle. At first you may mistake this for a human whistle. But it is so frequently heard in marmot territory that the name "Whistler" has been given the animal.
The Olympic marmot is related to other marmots and woodchucks, but it is a distinct species that is known only from the Olympic Mountains. It is generally buff to rusty-brown in color during the summer. Toward fall, it develops a dark-brown to blackish coat that apparently begins at the head and progresses toward the tail.


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San Francisco–Caught up with the Hawks here this morning (tip: never, ever drive in this city) before heading to Oaktown. Here are some quick notes, followed by a Rick Sund Q and A,. . .
Now on to the interview with Sund:
Q. Before the deadline, you said you would only make trades that improve the team and wouldn't make any lateral moves. In your view, how did this trade make the team better?
"Larry wanted to upgrade the point guard position, particularly defensively, and still try to be able to maintain the shooting that we had with Bibby's presence out there. We looked at this deal and thought it made some sense. It was tough to let Jordan go in particular. I don't mind so much the draft pick but we really like Jordan. He's got a huge upside. It was difficult to get him minutes this year. He's going to have a fine career. But at the end of the day, like with most teams in transition, you have got to give up a draft pick and/or young player to whet their appetite. So that's what we did."
Q. By trading Jordan and your first-round pick in 2011, does it signal a win-now approach as opposed to developing players for the future?
"We also have a pretty young team. We've got three starters that started opening night at 24. You still have Jeff in a backup capacity, where he should be a senior in college. He's young. Then you've got a couple of players that are in their prime. Joe is in his prime, and so is Jamal and certainly Hinrich is in his prime. You look at the two teams in the championship last year in final game, of the 10 starters nine where in their 30s."
Q. How much did uncertainty of labor situation affect your approach to making deals?
"Not a lot because nobody knows what the rules are going to be. To be very honest with you I was really surprised there were as many trades as there were. Somebody mentioned that since the season started there have been 24 trades of various sorts that you would consider semi-significant. You have the big trades like Carmelo; Deron was a huge trade. And there there were other semi-significant trades. That seems like a lot compared to other years. And I thought there wasn't going to be a lot of trades."
Q. Now that the smoke has cleared, how do you think your team stacks up in the East?
"We have to see it out. All year we have been basically playing for the fifth, fourth and third hole. And of those three teams, everybody goes through their highs and lows. We have had some highs–January in particular was a good month–and now we are in a slump. Miami had some slumps and then they went on a huge streak, and then they went back to a slump. Chicago seems to be like us last year. They are great at home and they are .500 on the road and so they are sort of where we were at this point last year going forward. You've got Boston who have an NBA championship and has three players who are headed to the Hall of Fame. Miami has got two players that have been battling for MVP of the league and three players who have made the All-Pro. Orlando has an MVP candidate this year in Dwight. And you have Chicago who has an MVP this year in Derrick Rose. And then you have Atlanta that has two players that made the All-Star team. I thought it was ironic in LA they interviewed Kobe and he said, 'Well, I feel like I am playing Boston, Miami and Atlanta [because nine East All-Stars are from those teams]. Also the Knicks are going to be no picnic if you have to play them and Philly can surprise you. It's up to the players now, I think, on all of the teams. March and April are the home stretch and it's up to the players and how they are going to respond to it and how they are going to respond in the playoffs. It's a challenge for us, certainly. It's as challenge and an opportunity at the same time."
Deep thoughts
At last check, the (completely unscientific) blog poll asking whether this trade was good or bad for the Hawks was running about 50-50. I haven't looked at all of your 1,600 or so comments from the last couple of days (thanks much for reading, blog people) but I think I can take a decent stab at the reasoning of the differing perspectives.
I'm guessing most in the "good" camp like the trade because they think the team is better now. Hinrich is a better player than Bibby. He's a better defender, comparable shooter and should be able to diversify the offense by running pick-and-rolls. JC2 could become a good player but he's not part of the plans now so off he goes.
I'm guessing most of those in the "bad" camp don't like the trade because, even if it makes the team better now, it doesn't improve the Hawks enough to give them a good chance at beating the elite teams in the playoffs. So why make a deal like this while sending away a young player and a pick, sacrificing the future while doubling down on this "core" group that may not take the Hawks where they want to go?
I think the views in both camps are reasonable. I also know that we can't see the future. The Hawks should be better with Hinrich instead of Bibby, both from tangible and intangible standpoints. I understand if you don't believe they will be good enough, but let's see what happens.
Sund said declined to comment on trade scenarios that didn't happen, including whether he tried to get in on any of the major deals by dangling any players from Atlanta's "core" group. From what I'm hearing the Hawks did try to get in on some of those discussions but didn't get very far.
If you are upset the Hawks couldn't make a splashier deal then realize it takes assets like expiring contracts, productive players with reasonable contracts, young players with potential and draft picks. The Hawks don't have much of any of those because of decisions made in the past, so those should be the focus of your ire if you don't like this trade. I can't speak accurately on what deals they may or may not have offered (or turned down) for their "core" players so it's hard to evaluate those hypothetical scenarios.
In any event, the Hawks have 25 games against a tough schedule to figure out what they are about. From my perspective, at least, it should be interesting.
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February 25th, 2011
4:55 pm
February 25th, 2011
4:55 pm
Shake up was needed but I hate we lost the draft pick. Playoffs look rather grim, AGAIN!
February 25th, 2011
4:58 pm
I like the trade but its time to start expecting something from our investment in Al,Josh and Joe .
Al and Josh are no longer nba puppies . Al is the youngest of the bunch and he has over 280 games and 29 playoff games . Its time for the excuse making to stop and for these guys to setup or be moved.
Im hoping that the addition of Hinrich means that the front office is ready to start evaluating these guys on there commitment to winning titles and there ability to help us move toward that goal.
I like our chances in the east if we can avoid the Bulls until the conference finals as they seem to me to have the hungriest team in the east .
Right now we are not even in position to have homecourt in the first rd so we need to get serious and start stringing together some wins .
I like our matchup with Mia but we will need homecourt to beat the Magic in the first rd
Our ideal path imo is
first rd Orl
second rd Mia
conference finals Bulls or Bos
February 25th, 2011
5:00 pm
Cant wait. Do your thang Teague. Shut up the haters.
February 25th, 2011
5:01 pm
Casey, they probably woulda sold the pick anyway. Thats why Sund didnt care about losing it.
February 25th, 2011
5:02 pm
1st what Ms Dee?
February 25th, 2011
5:02 pm
Good to hear from you again, MC. We were wondering where you were at the deadline yesterday.
Any truth to the rumor that the Hawks were trying to trade Marvin and couldn't find any takers? I'm curious what you know, because that's one that could've very easily been made up.
February 25th, 2011
5:03 pm
I'm in the good trade camp for now, but bad for later. I hate to give up JC2. He's going to be good. But we were a sinking ship. Losing 5 of 6. Had to get Bibby off the court.
But I like Mike Bibby, but his days as a starter were done. He should have been playing no more than 5-7 minute stretches in relief. And I believe Jamal may benefit also. They all will, because Hinrich is a PG who had been playing SG. He'll help as a facilitator on O and a terror on D. The guy is good on D.
And he will give Teague more of an edge practicing against him everyday.
February 25th, 2011
5:03 pm
"You look at the two teams in the championship last year in final game, of the 10 starters nine where in their 30s."
LOL so basically Sund is saying we have no shot at competing. Because earlier in the paragraph he said we are a very young team.
Also, is it just me or does he spend his whole day memorizing stats rather than actually assessing what's wrong with the team? I have never seen a Rick Stunk interview where he hasn't dropped some obscure stat
February 25th, 2011
5:04 pm
Not speaking for MC, but I dont know if it's true that the Hawks were trying to trade Marvin, but it's true that they wouldnt find any takers.
February 25th, 2011
5:05 pm
If LD was so pleased with Teague the other night, why were his minuets so limited?
February 25th, 2011
5:05 pm
Hinrich knows DRose, so that helps. Hinrich plays DWade as well as anybody, so that helps.
His role model is Paul Pressey, so that helps. He's compared to Jeff Hornacek, so that helps.
His dad was a Coach, so that helps. He's been to the final 4 and the NBA playoffs a ton, so that helps.
Man, having Hinrich just helps
February 25th, 2011
5:08 pm
We're rooting for ya Teague.
February 25th, 2011
5:08 pm
Damn JJ, give the man a break for crying out loud. We needed a point who could play defense, and he got us one. And its not like he's working with the best owners in the world. Stop hatin at least foer today anyway. Is that too much to ask?
February 25th, 2011
5:08 pm
Hinrich as a PG will put the players in Position, so that helps. With Jamal probably leaving, his presence will help bigtime.
I would have loved to have Felton. Harris 2nd. Hinrich was my 3rd choice, barely ahead of Sessions, just because of his D. But I would have loved to pick up Sessions..
February 25th, 2011
5:10 pm
Teague lights up Curry tonight. (wishful thinking)
February 25th, 2011
5:10 pm
You do realize we now have 2 members of the All League Defensive Team on the squad now, Josh and Kirk? This move is going to help us more than we know.
And Teague has surely paid his dues. Nobody has given him anything. I hope he goes out and becomes DRose Jr.
February 25th, 2011
5:11 pm
Dont understand the love for Felton. Dantoni boost a lot of players numbers. That guy was avg at best in Charlotte.
February 25th, 2011
5:11 pm
LD isn't a great coach. Pretty simple. He is good at certain things but has failed to achieve the type of "balance" Woodson did when we were beating good teams and winning at home. He's way too focused on the offense and Jamal was hot. LD is a sucker for that once in every 5 games Jamal gets really hot.
February 25th, 2011
5:15 pm
Man I'm pumped. We finally have 2 PG's that can actually play a little in a long time. Bibby could play here for awhile, but he was just 1. I think we have 2 halfway decent PG's now.
And I do think we can win a 7 game series with Orlando now. I think Kirk tips the edge to us just a little bit.
And playing such a brutal schedule the last 25 should toughen us up for the playoffs.
P.S. In an article on the toughest guys from each team, it said Al was one of the strongest guys in the NBA. Interesting
February 25th, 2011
5:17 pm
My last post should have "for the first time" after little on the first line. Sorry.
February 25th, 2011
5:18 pm
I'm just hoping LD lets Teague back in the rotation now that Bibby is gone. I don't think I'll ever understand that situation.
February 25th, 2011
5:20 pm
"Dont understand the love for Felton. Dantoni boost a lot of players numbers. That guy was avg at best in Charlotte."
The flip side is that Larry Brown holds down his point guards' numbers a lot. Felton's actual value probably lies somewhere in between what he did in Charlotte and what he did in NYC.
February 25th, 2011
5:21 pm
Sund said: "March and April are the home stretch and it's up to the players and how they are going to respond to it and how they are going to respond in the playoffs."
Rarely do I agree with Sund, but here I somewhat do: That is partially "The Truth"
It is up to the players now as to how they will respond going into the playoff, but the coach will also play a role as well. Game planning and preparation are also very important. After the all-star break, the Hawks have not matched the intensity playing against their opponents. LD certainly talks about playing games in a playoff mode 2 losses ago but apparently that has not translated on the court. When will the players take him serious? Joe seems to be still recovering from the all-star parties in LA. Must have been one "helluva" bash if its taking this long.
February 25th, 2011
5:21 pm
Co-sign everyone else on the "pulling for Teague" tip. Ideally I'd like to see him seize this starting job given this opportunity, Hinrich or no Hinrich. I like the trade in the short term and Hinrich is a good addition, but Teague developing into a reliable starter would completely change the fortunes of this team.
February 25th, 2011
5:22 pm
February 25th, 2011
5:23 pm
Sports Guy's buddy House says Hinrich is washed up.
I prefer to think he'll lead us to a world title
February 25th, 2011
5:25 pm
Hinrich should start tonight.
February 25th, 2011
5:25 pm
"If you are upset the Hawks couldn't make a splashier deal then realize it takes assets like expiring contracts, productive players with reasonable contracts, young players with potential and draft picks. "
The Hawks do have one gigantic expiring contract in Jamal Crawford, and I spent way more time than a mentally healthy person should on the last blog coming up with reasonable trade scenarios involving his expiring deal that would have strengthened the Hawks' depth while reasonably compensating for the absence of Jamal's scoring off the bench. Every single scenario I came up with involved the Hawks taking back expiring contracts. It's not like the Hawks couldn't have bolstered their depth while maintaining financial flexibility going forward.
MC, I know you say Sund didn't want to discuss trades that didn't happen, but I wish you would have asked him whether he views Jamal as part of the "core group". If nothing else it would provide a little insight on what the Hawks' plans are regarding him this offseason.
February 25th, 2011
5:26 pm
Yeah, one thing I like about this trade is hopefully this isn't the Hawks giving up on Teague, hopefully it's just an acknowledgement that Bibby's no longer capable of starting and Teague isn't yet ready to be the starter. Expecting Teague to take over this year after getting virtually no PT last year was probably a little ambitious. Hopefully, he can get good minutes backing up Hinrich for the next season +, then be ready to take over once Hinrich's contract expires (or if we decide to trade his expiring contract at the deadline next year).
February 25th, 2011
5:26 pm
Hinrich has had some injuries this year.
Hope he's healthy
February 25th, 2011
5:32 pm
Najeh -
Co-sign on your comments about JC. Without knowing what the next CBA is going to look like, there's no knowing what the financial situation will be next season. However, looking at the contracts we already have committed for next season, it doesn't look like we can re-sign JC or sign anyone else of consequence without going into the luxury tax. If the Hawks aren't willing to pay the tax and don't make some significant trades, this team could be Hinrich, JJ, Teague, Josh, Al and a lot of filler (as much as I like Z, he's been filler the past year +). And you're not going to get to the conference finals without some quality depth.
February 25th, 2011
5:36 pm
As for Hilton Armstrong, here's how he stacks up compared to Zaza:
TS%: Hilton 51.9%, Zaza 52.5% (Zaza gets to the line a lot more)
eFG%: Hilton 49.2%, Zaza 41.8%
Offensive rebound %: Hilton 10.6%, Zaza 11.1% (a difference that very easily might be a result of Zaza rebounding his own misses)
Defensive rebound %: Hilton 21.6%, Zaza 19.9%
Total rebound %: Hilton 15.9%, Zaza 15.6%
Block %: Hilton 3.0%, Zaza 1.4%
Turnover %: Hilton 25.2%, Zaza 18.9% (that's a major red flag)
Usage: Hilton 10.7%, Zaza 15.5%
PER: Hilton 8.6, Zaza 10.6
Per-36 minute averages: Hilton 6.7 pts, 5.6 FGA, 10 boards (3.4 offensive), 48.4% shooting, 2 FTA, 60.9% FTs, 1.3 stl, 1.4 blk
Zaza 10 pts, 7.1 FGA, 9.4 boards (3.4 offensive), 41.8% shooting, 5.6 FTA, 73.3% FTs, 0.8 stl, 0.6 blk
Long story short, Hilton is probably just as bad offensively as Zaza, but he's as good of a rebounder and a better shot blocker and is probably less likely to take shots outside of his comfort zone. I hope he gets a legitimate shot to take Zaza's spot in the rotation. And who knows how well he plays position defense, but if he can approach Collins' effectiveness there, it would give the Hawks a better option against the Dwight Howards of the league since Hilton blocks shots and rebounds at a higher rate than Collins.
February 25th, 2011
5:38 pm
@MC…i lived in ATL for 23 years, hated drivin' in that place…PERIOD!!! i live in san fran now and have for the past 8 yrs and drivin' here is a piece of cake…PERIOD…well as long as one can grab the one way street concept… and it's a much better one for traffic flow!!! and the Hawks still suck!!!
February 25th, 2011
5:39 pm
Hard to be healthy healthy. I'll play full-court 4 days a week, its either my foot, knees, calves, thighs, hands, or arms. Usually a combination of everything. He's averaging 30 MPG, we shouldn't need more then that if Teague starts to get PT.
February 25th, 2011
5:45 pm
"However, looking at the contracts we already have committed for next season, it doesn't look like we can re-sign JC or sign anyone else of consequence without going into the luxury tax."
I'm hoping they don't have a luxury tax in the new CBA. If David Stern gets the hard cap he supposedly wants, they probably won't. I personally think the luxury tax does more to increase parity than it does to decrease it. Maybe the owners will come to the same conclusion.
February 25th, 2011
5:47 pm
Najeh – Co-sign bigtime about Larry Brown and PG's, and Felton.
The one thing Armstrong does not have in guarding Dwight, is about 20 lbs. Collins is a big body on Dwight. And so is ZaZa. Good to hear Sund was at least trying to trade ZaZa
I would rather have Solo than Armstrong. But I think the culture of this team just shifted from having alot of fun, to having fun and winning. Captain Kirk will team with Al and JJ, and focus on winning.
And Al may be able to help Armstrong.
And I think Josh will respect Kirk. They may tangle a little like Woody and Josh, but at the end of the day, one of the smartest PG's in the League is not going to give the ball to Josh in certain spots.
February 25th, 2011
5:49 pm
Lewis – And the guy is like JJ. He plays through alot of injuries.
February 25th, 2011
5:49 pm
Compared to the rest of the Hawks, among players who play regular minutes, only Al has a higher rebound rate than Hilton, only Smoove has a higher block rate than Hilton, only Collins has a lower usage rate than Hilton, Hilton clocks in ahead of Jamal/Joe/Teague in eFG%, but Hilton does have a higher turnover rate than anyone on the Hawks.
February 25th, 2011
5:50 pm
first time blogger and i find a lot of the comments quite interesting. i think the hawks have improve their defensne with these moves and have made an effort to get a Player that will give their "core players" higher percentage shots. Hopefully it will translate into Josh taking less 3 point heves and more easy shots in fast break op.
February 25th, 2011
5:52 pm
Najeh – Stern is talking about at least a transitional luxury tax, with hard cap. It will take teams like LA, who will owe Kobe 30 mill. in a couple of years, a few years to get below the hard cap. So those teams will most likely still be in the tax, and have to decrease salaries a certain % each year.
And Arenas will be making like 21 mill in 3 years. Terrible to take on that contract with a hard cap. Not like JJ who is at least still productive.
And expect JJ to have a big game tonight. Ellis can't stop him.
February 25th, 2011
5:55 pm
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Thx so much for that youtube clip on Kirk..MANN, I'm excited..dude got game!!!!!!!!
February 25th, 2011
5:55 pm
i voted bad.
When you look at some of the deals that went down, you have to ask yourself if we couldn't have gotten someone ( or mutiple significant people ) . . . if we'd dangled Jamal's expiring contract at people.
Maybe Jamal + Marvin + Jordan + a 1st round pick gets us a decent shot at a Deron Williams + another Utah player . . or Miller and Camby.
Sund/ASG did a minimum type deal, in my opinion. Every contending team in the East understood since the summer, that this was a NUCLEAR ARMS RACE . . except the Hawks.
Everybody else keeps adding cruise missiles and stealth bombers, while the Hawks add tanks and propellor planes that shoot 50 cal bullets.
February 25th, 2011
5:56 pm
Najeh, on Jamal being part of the "core", I can give you something. Michael Gearon told us, at the season ticket holder meeting, that they have every intention of re-signing Jamal. So, at least from that statement, Jamal is part of our "core".
Michael, so nice of you to write something.
February 25th, 2011
5:57 pm
One thing I'd like to know about Hinrich is how good he is at posting up smaller guards. You would think a 6′3″ point guard would use his size to his advantage in that way. If Kirk has a post game, tonight against Stephen Curry would be a good time to use it.
February 25th, 2011
5:58 pm
I'm with you guys on wanting Teague to do well. But, I don't think he will.
Expecting the Hawks to take another federal prison a$$ pounding tonight. Sund calls it a "slump". He hasn't seen anything, yet. This team is going to get their heads kicked in for the next 4-5 weeks.
February 25th, 2011
6:01 pm
"Sund/ASG did a minimum type deal, in my opinion. Every contending team in the East understood since the summer, that this was a NUCLEAR ARMS RACE . . except the Hawks."
I voted good from an absolute perspective; the trade makes the Hawks better now and didn't give up any assets that I thought would help the Hawks in the near future. I have my doubts as to whether Jordan would have ever found a consistent role on this team, particularly if Jamal is re-signed (as Gearon apparently wants). And as we all know, Sund is horrible at drafting. But there's no doubt that Hinrich pales in comparison to players like Deron Williams (who I don't think the Hawks would have been able to acquire unless they traded Horford) or Devin Harris (who I think the Hawks could have very possibly acquired using Jamal's contract if they threw in multiple draft picks). He's a good fit for this team, but he's not the game changer at the point guard position the Hawks need to bump their ceiling up by a playoff round or two.
February 25th, 2011
6:04 pm
What I meant to say was I think the luxury tax does more to decrease parity, since small market teams are the ones that refuse to exceed the tax while big market teams have no problem going over the tax level.
February 25th, 2011
6:04 pm
Re-sign Jamal….
Only if LD isn't the coach. He doesn't understand that jamal is average at best. Being a good scorer and a horrible defender is an average player. If he isn't scoring LD still keeps him in the game…He has no clue what to do with Jamal.
I hope it is Kirk and Marvin closing out games now.
February 25th, 2011
6:06 pm
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That's interesting to hear, since they didn't seem to have any interest in doing it this past offseason. Maybe they think he overvalued himself then, and think what they'd offer him is similar to what he'd get on the market. Or maybe they're just hoping it will be more favorable to re-sign him under the new CBA.


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The River
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- 08/02/2012
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- Song
- 4 min 28 sec
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- 3.97 / 5.00
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I watch you leave
When I know you come back
And every time, when you return
I keep pushing the attack
And everything keeps getting smaller
Shrinking to a point
And I know that insane
To keep pushing you away
I am stuck here, staring at the window
Watching all the strangers passing by
Hoping against hope that one of them will pull aside
And reach out towards the darkness that is mine
But I still sit here
Hoping for the best
Because they will never
Watch me die
Push my love away
But know always mine
Take my trust away
And know that be fine
be fine
I think pulling free
But the drugs keep me honest
And your gaze keeps me modest
Even though all alone, and drawn into a
Numb Reprisal, My denial
Saying that sorry once again
Rated 4.5 / 5 stars March 12, 2013
This song is pretty good I must say. The intro reminds me a bit of Evanescence while the second part reminds me more of a mix between MCR and some alt. rock bands.
I am definetly adding this piece to my playlist!
I feel so honored. Thanks for the download and the listen!
Rated 4 / 5 stars March 5, 2013
nice work very good
Thanks for listening!
Rated 4 / 5 stars March 7, 2013
It's really interesting I never heard the last song you made I'll check it. Also I like the vocals they sound great (is it you singing this because if it is you sing great) just the thing that kinda messes up it is the guitar tone of it. Reason I say that is I was thinking this could've been more of a Emo ballad or metal rock ballad if you will since it fit very well like how Amy lee sings (lead singer of evanscence) with your vocals matching her style even close to green day's Lead singer Billie Joe Armstrong. With the songs vocals sounding like, wake me up when september ends or boulevard of broken dreams. Furthermore, the guitar sounded abit raw which made it hard for me to understand the rest of the lyrics you were saying would've been better if you posted the lyrics since most people will get lost understanding what you are saying. Anyways, it's really great needs afew things to fix but it's great I'll follow your work since I'm very impressed bro also hope my review helps you out on areas to fix on. Best reguards -Lonestar94
Whoa nice review! We actually really wanted to have a raw sound for the guitars since this song was supposed to be an ode to MCR. My cousin is doing the singing for this one (and all our songs). In terms of what could be fixed, the ending could be slightly more excited, and the mixing/mastering could be improved tenfold. Thanks for taking your time to write a review!
Rated 4 / 5 stars March 12, 2013
Must've more effective bass beats.
I'm sorry the bass beats were not to your standard, thanks for the four stars though!
Rated 3 / 5 stars March 11, 2013
No real punk song would ever include piano on it.
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Okay, okay — let's everyone just chill out a minute. I love Panic, and I've bought every app they've ever released. I think they're probably the single best Mac development company in the world. But hot damn, this app has been out for all of five minutes and my feed reader is already overflowing with jizz coming out of every web developer's pants. Yes, it look very cool, but let's wait a few more than five minutes before we proclaim it the next coming of the Lord himself, okay? Has anyone actually built anything with it yet?
I live in TextMate. It's my everything. It's going to be really hard to get me to switch away from it. But if anyone can do it, Panic can. Initially, I feel like Coda has some really kick ass tools built in, and I'm definitely going to give it a shot. But it's missing two very big TextMate features (for me personally): Subversion integration and a Django bundle. I rely pretty heavily on my Subversion repository, and not having tab completion and syntax coloring for Django would be pretty hard to get used to at this point.
We'll see. This does look like an awesome app, especially if you just do HTML/CSS and not so much programming. But TextMate it is not — at least not yet, and not rom my initial five-minute glance at Coda. I'll be keeping my eye on it, though.Visit site...
It may depend on your workflow. I find myself making changes straight from the terminal or transmit's edit view more often than I'd care to admit, so it might fit my workflow well (and encourage me to stop making those changes on the live site!).
I just don't open textmate as much as I probably should. That might change if I ever got django installed on my local machine, but I haven't bothered.
So, tab completion and syntax coloring would be icing for me, since I'm not really used to seeing them anyway. But, they would be nice, as would subversion integration.
I do appreciate that they seem to have taken a step back and reexamined things. Definitely going to have to download and give it a whirl.
Also, I like the site's smart js use, and enjoyed their release notes: http://www.panic.com/coda/releas…
I've played around a bit with it this afternoon. I've been hoping for a one-stop solution for my design / code workflow, but Coda's not quite there yet.
The TextMate Django bundle will keep me doing most of my typing in TextMate, and I've experienced some wonkiness with the built-in terminal (Pressing the up arrow isn't bringing up the last command, it's inserting an up character).
Baxter and Ryan touch on the key point here: Improved workflow. Seeing an app like this inevitably warrants a "why didn't I think of that" moment. I think it'll take another couple rounds of Coda releases before Panic gets it right, but they're on the right track for shaking things up.
@Cameron: I totally agree with you on that point. But, as it stands, I won't be able to benefit from the improved workflow concepts they've got going with the one-window thing, because I'll have to open up some other app to deal with SVN (unless I want to do command line, which I don't), and my workflow will be suitably disrupted by not having the tab triggers and completion TextMate gives me for Django.
So yeah — I like the ideas they have for workflow improvement, but I can't benefit from them until all the features are there. That's all.
You're so anti-early-adopter :D
(Great typography slides btw!)
This actually seems like a great app for someone like me, who doesn't know much about CSS and XHTML — but really wants to learn.
I like that it has the bundled book — though, one book doesn't equal "books" — hopefully they're planning to add more.
Brian - yeah, it may be a good app for that. Especially for learning CSS, I'd say, since it has the built in visual editor for CSS. And the code hinting probably helps in learning HTML, as well. And it does actually have a few books, not just one (one each on four different topics — HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and PHP, I think).
It's definitely a very sweet app. It doesn't quite cover all my needs yet, and I think the hoopla over it being contained in one window might be a bit overdone (Dreamweaver's been doing this since the beginning of time, hasn't it?) — but it's definitely really well done and really nice. That's why I'm disappointed about it not quite having the most advanced features I need. If it sucked, I wouldn't care. :)
I see two selling points: tabbed file management with Transmit (sans wonky workarounds); and, a gets-the-Mac-point interface. Without those, I might as well just slouch over the ugly Windows box in the garage and learn to love split-vertical.


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