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Squeezing NAT Out of Panther Serverby Glenn Fleishman
What I wanted was very simple and very routine—so routine and simple that it's enabled with a single checkbox in Mac OS X 10.2 and 10.3.
But I wasn't working with the client versions of Mac OS X. No, I was in server land. And I wanted Panther Server (Mac OS X Server 10.3) to hand out private Network Address Translation (NAT) managed addresses over DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol).
Instead of simply checking a box in the client-side version of Panther,
I spent hours pouring over Apple's obtuse documentation and reading
detailed configuration information about
ipfw, and
dhcpd. I finally
mastered it with a little persistence.
But Why? (You May Be Thinking)
Part of my motivation in setting up private addresses is that even though this feature is built into the AirPort Extreme Base Station as the Distribute Addresses option, I've been unable to get it to create private addresses correctly because I use the base station on my LAN, and not as the gateway between my DSL modem and the rest of our shared office LAN. Recently, it even stopped feeding out wired DHCP addresses, for reasons that are unclear.
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Running Mac OS X Panther
The motivation for feeding out private addresses that are non-routable from the rest of the Internet has two components:
- First, they offer firewall by obscurity. While NAT doesn't entirely prevent outside cracking, it does offer obscurity. Unless you specifically punch a port from a NAT-addressed computer through to a public, routable IP address, that computer is entirely unreachable until it initiates a connection.
- Second, if you have a small pool or just a single static IP address, or receive a dynamically assigned private or public IP address, NAT allows you to create a pool of addresses to share a connection.
In plain old Panther, you bring up the Sharing preference pane in System Preferences, click the Internet tab, and choose the interface you want to share the connection from, such as Ethernet or AirPort (see Figure 1). Apple requires you have at least one active network connection.
You then check boxes corresponding to the interfaces to which you want to serve NAT via DHCP. In a small network that has both AirPort and Ethernet users, you could send NAT back to both networks and disable Distribute Addresses in an AirPort or AirPort Extreme Base Station or disable DHCP in another wireless gateway.
Click Start and you're done. Couldn't be more straightforward.
Panther Server Set Up Is Another Animal
So, you'd think that Panther Server would have more sophisticated options, but be relatively as easy? No, no, how could that be the case.
Instead, you must configure and enable three separate services, add a duplicate network interface, and edit a configuration file manually to get what you want. Let's walk through this.
In the rest of the FreeBSD and Linux world,
dhcpd, and
ipfw (or its
ipchains or
iptables equivalents) work together to assign
private addresses.
You use
ifconfig to create a fake address on a new network, like the
address 192.168.3.1 on the network 192.168.3.0/24. (The /24 means the
first 24 bits are significant, equivalent to a network mask of 255.255.255.0.)
natd is configured to rewrite addresses for the 192.168.3.0 network;
ipfw diverts traffic to
natd for it to rewrite. Finally,
dhcpd is set
up to manage a range of addresses in that network, such as 192.168.3.10
through 192.168.3.250 and hand out nice items like a router address
and DNS server addresses.
Panther Server packages all
natd as NAT;
dhcpd as DHCP; and
ipfw as Firewall
within its nifty new Server Admin program, a portmanteau program that
replaces the horrible interface found in the previous server release with
a coherent, consistent graphical approach.
From hard experience, here's the set of steps to carry out our complicated command-line configuration, mostly through Server Admin.
1. Add a private address to a duplicate network configuration in the Network preference pane. Open System Preferences, click Network, and from the Show menu choose Network Port Configurations (see Figure 2). Select Built-in Ethernet and click Duplicate. Name the duplicate interface Private Network.
From the Show menu now choose Private Network. In the TCP/IP tab, select Manually from the Configure IPv4 menu. Enter 192.168.3.1 as the IP address and 255.255.255.0 as the subnet mask. You can enter DNS values for DNS, but leave other settings blank.
2. Open /etc/hostconfig in
pico or
vi. Find the line
that reads
Change NO to YES, leaving everything else the same. Save that file and exit the text editor.
3. Run Server Admin. Click the DHCP service. Click the Settings tab. You may already see an IP network for 192.168.3.0/24. If not, click the + sign (see Figure 3). Give the Subnet Name as 192.168.3.0/24 (it's just text, but it's a good identifier). In Starting IP Address, enter 192.168.3.2; in Ending IP Address, enter 192.168.3.254. Set the subnet mask to 255.255.255.0 and the router to your private interface address: 192.168.3.1. You can choose any lease time you wish. Click Save. Click Start Service.
4. Click the Firewall service. You should see a listing under Address Group for 192.168-net. This is the superset of 192.168.0.0/16, or the full private address range reserved for uses like these (see Figure 4). I haven't yet figured out how to bypass this tedious next step. For each service you want accessible to machines on the private network, you need to check a box to allow it. If none of these machines are working as servers, you might need to check relatively few boxes. But if you need to use Timbuktu, Retrospect, and other offerings, make sure and check those pages.
You could also add an advanced rule. Click the Advanced tab. Click the + sign (see Figure 5). Under the Source area, choose Any from the Address pop-up menu (see Figure 6). From the Destination area, choose 192.168-net from the Address menu. Click OK. Drag this rule to the top of the list so it's invoked first. This is a dangerous option because it allows all traffic through, but because these are private addresses, this is probably an issue only for locally discoverable services that use Rendezvous.
Click Save and wait a while. A long while. For some reason, on the 450 MHz G4 Cube that I have Panther Server installed on, the firewall settings can take minutes to save. They often fail, requiring me to check the boxes again (the settings aren't saved when it fails) and clicking Save again, and waiting... again.
When it's finally saved, click Start.
5. Click the NAT service. NAT has, fortunately, very few options (see Figure 7). In the Settings tab, make sure Built-in Ethernet is selected. Click Start.
You should now be able to serve DHCP-fed private addresses over the LAN. I've found that when this doesn't work, if I restart NAT, DHCP, and Firewall, the trouble goes away.
Final Thought
It's quite amazing to me that such a common task isn't streamlined in the server as it is in the plain Panther system. But now that you have the secrets, you should be able to set this up with none of the hassle I faced.
Glenn Fleishman is a freelance technology journalist contributing regularly to The New York Times, The Seattle Times, Macworld magazine, and InfoWorld. He maintains a wireless weblog at wifinetnews.com.
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DHCP/NAT/Firewall seem to be working, but ...
2005-05-31 07:42:40 mlerch [View]
I read your article and all posts by other users like me. I have also searched the web high and low for answers to my problem, but thus far only partial success. Perhaps someone here can shed some light on this for me.
My OS X 10.3.9 Server is directly connected to my Cox Highspeed Cable modem via the en0 Ethernet Interface (WAN)
My OS X 10.3.9 Server has a second Ethernet Interface, en1, that handles all the LAN stuff for my local netowork.
All that seems to be working and every machine can access the internet, some have static local IP numbers, and some have dynamically assigned local IP numbers. All is well.
BUT .. Yes.. here comes the but.
I have two computers on the local network, one is running an Apache Web Server on 192.168.0.15:10080, and one is running Windows ASP.NET, ColdFusion, and Flash Communication Server on port 192.168.0.19:10081. Just for clarification, the OS X Server is running it's Apache Webserver on Port 10082.
Since cable modem users only get one dynamically assigned WAN IP number from Cox Highspeed, I am trying to use port numbers to redirect outside and inside traffic on those specific ports on my WAN IP to the LAN Network computers.
When it comes to accessing those computers/services on those ports from the outside (not from a computer on the local network), I got that covered. So http://lan.ip.number.178:10080 is forwarded to the computer on the LAN that handles those requests. I am using a special IP alias directive in the /etc/nat/nat.plist file:
... and the same for the other ports/IP sets for TCP and UDP separate <dict> containers.
However, when I try accessing http://wan.ip.number.178:10080 from a computer on my LAN, I get a connection refused. Sure is strange that it would do what it's supposed to do from any computer outside my LAN, but when it comes to computers on the inside of my LAN I get a connection refused.
Sure, http://192.168.0.15:10080 works from any of the LAN computers, but that doesn't really do me any good. Why? Because let's say I assign a domain name to wan.ip.number.178, like office.domainname.com and then want to use office.domainname.com:10080 to access services on the computer on my LAN inside and outside of my network, it will only work from the outside, not from the inside.
Does anyone of you know of a way around that? I used to have a Linksys Router that did port forwarding like a charm, but I got rid of it when I got the OS X Server, only to find out that it's not all that easy on OS X Server with NAT/DHCP/Firewall.
I looked into the Firewall log and I can see that the traffic is accepted, but that's where it ends.
Can anyone give me any pointers here?
Thank you.
Non-server setup?
2004-08-12 08:32:13 chesterhartin [View]
Is there a way to do this in the non-server edition of panther?
Sharing modem connection....
2004-01-09 02:50:18 nightbird7007 [View]
Last year when I installed OSX Server 10.2 I've setup NAT for our office without much problem.
Now we want to upgrade to 10.3. I guess it would not be to difficult to setup NAT on our machine at the office since we have a PCI card to connect to the DSL modem and we use Built-in internet to serv our inside clients.
The problem is that I would like to make test at home before I do the stuff at the office and at home I'm stuck with dial-up only.
I did some preliminary tests and up to now there is no way to share the modem connection with the others machine at home (really my G4, acting as the server, and an iMac)
When I go in Panther Server, the modem is listed as 'fw0', is that correct or do I have to set it to 'ppp0' as it say in the article.
Am I dreaming in color or is there a way to accomplish this relatively easy.
2003-12-18 11:02:06 anonymous2 [View]
This was exactly what I was looking for. You saved me many extra hours trying to find that hostconfig needed to be set manually. Very helpful....
IP sequence persist to be wrong in Panther Server
2003-12-15 17:01:46 anonymous2 [View]
I have configured 2 different Macs with Panther Server (an iMac and a G5), both with a single Ethernet.
Both getting Internet IP from ISP via DHCP.
When I startup Panther Server my Internet IP must to be the first, and Local IP must to be the second. but ever I restart Panther Server my Internet IP is placed in second, and Local in first.
I must to remove manually Local IP from System Preferences, enter it again... and all works fine. Local IP appears as second again.
But every restart is a big problem!!
Confusion in article?
2003-12-04 11:31:42 anonymous2 [View]
In the article where it talks about adding the advanced rule in the firewall, it says "Under the Source area, choose Any from the Address pop-up menu (see Figure 6). From the Destination area, choose 192.168-net from the Address menu." But in the accompanying screen shot, it's the opposite. I have Panther server installed on a DP500 G4 with a second ethernet card hooked up to a cable modem and am not having any luck in getting NAT/firewall to work. Any suggestions?
NAT on Panther Server with PPPoE
2003-12-02 16:30:35 anonymous2 [View]
Thanks for the article.
I have also been struggling with NAT and Firewall on Panther Server because my server uses PPPoE to connect to the Internet, and I want to set up an Airport network using the Airport card in the server.
What makes it more frustrating (as you point out) is that all (event he Airport network) of this can be done so simply in Panther Client (ie NAT with a PPPoE connection and also automatically setting up on boot an Aiport network).
The problem I have found is that when setting up NAT with a PPPoE connection to the Internet, the NAT interface must be the ppp* interface not the en* interface. Unfortunately, NAT Panther Server doesn't give this option (or deduce this requirement).
It can be done, since BrickHouse did all of this (and more) simply in Jaguar Server. Unfortunately, it hasn't been updated for Panther. Even on Panther Client, I can use the command line (ps aux, and ipfw list) to get the config, but haven't been able to make that work no Panther Server.
Also, Panther Client when doing InternetSharing seems to put Airport into a different mode than Panther Server when doing a Computer-To-Computer Network. Panther Client puts an up-arrow in he Airport status and shows signal strength on the clients (as opposed to just the little computer).
If anyone has successfully got NAT working on Panther Server with a PPPoE connection to the Internet I would be very keen to hear from them, how they did it etc.
Many thanks in advance,
Ashley Aitken
How about doing this with AirPort + Ethernet?
2003-12-02 13:17:40 anonymous2 [View]
I don't care if I use NAT or just some routing, but I would like to bridge the AirPort Extreme interface on my G5 server (connected to Internet via ethernet>Cisco router (NAT, DHCP)>T1) so that I can connect to the Internet via the AirPort Extreme card in my PowerBook.
NAT should be avoided, if possible, as it won't let me access my PowerBook from LAN machines. Ideally, the server would just act like the AirPort base station in bridging mode. If I have to use NAT, however, then I can deal.
The topic of AirPort bridging with "software base station" has been going around for ages, and I've never seen a clear solution. Any ideas?
NAT on Panther and https
2003-11-25 22:21:21 tom_davies [View]
I share my internet connection via an aitport extreme card in a G5. I don't have an airport base station. Http is shared fine, but https (and pop3 for that matter) isn't. Any ideas?


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"There could be some consolidation among exchanges, or they could be forced to offer some new services," says David Brown, an associate partner in the London office of consulting firm m.a.partners.
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Bishop projects three possible scenarios for how the European landscape will shake out under MiFID: retention of the status quo, in which exchanges are the dominant providers of trading liquidity; the rise of a few systematic internalizers; or the coexistence of a few exchanges and systematic internalizers.
Observers agree, however, that aside from the merits of systematic internalization, some of the largest investment banks could easily offer their smaller peers a soup-to-nuts or à la carte menu of trading and data-dissemination and -storage offerings to assist in MiFID compliance. Such services might be particularly useful to private banks, retail broker-dealers and even fund managers looking to off-load their compliance with MiFID to their executing broker-dealers.
MiFID is also shaking up the status quo in market data. The directive obligates all firms to report post-trade data to any public arena-not only to their local exchange-within three minutes of a transaction's completion and to store data on competing prices to prove best execution. Systematic internalizers must also publish pre-trade quotes for "normal size" orders in a public venue in close to real time. In doing so, firms can charge for data dissemination at a reasonable commercial rate.
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The seven investment banks in Project Turquoise plus ABN Amro and HSBC signed the letter of intent to create the Project Boat trade capture and market data dissemination platform by August 2007. "The opportunity for investment banks to capture, pool and disseminate their own market data has been there for a very long time," says Andrew Miller, managing director of Arcontech, a London-based market-data software specialist. "MiFID has just become a catalyst for brokerages to [develop] their own market data communities."
Project Boat aims to reduce the cost of managing data, as participants can save on trade reporting fees and share IT costs in addition to selling their own data dissemination and reporting capabilities. Second- and third-tier players may not be able to handle their own data management responsibilities under MiFID, which some analysts have estimated could cost upward of EUR200,000 ($262,000) annually. Whatever route investment firms take in response to MiFID, the data challenge is at the heart of it all, they say.
Project Boat targets LSE in particular, because in the U.K., market participants must report over-the-counter trades to the exchange, which collects fees for trading reporting and generates further revenues by collating and selling the same data back to its members and information vendors they use. LSE does not break out its fee income from data services, but analysts have cited figures of GBP10 million ($19.3 million) annually from trade reporting alone.
Members of the Project Boat consortium have declined to be interviewed and disclosed little about how the platform will work or who is providing the underlying technology for handling 4,000 to 5,000 trades a second, according to knowledgeable sources. Contenders likely include Telekurs, Reuters, Bloomberg and Thomson Financial. Members of a separate initiative under the real-time market data subcommittee of the MiFID joint working group, which has just released a final model for pre- and post-trade data dissemination, define Project Boat as a data aggregator.
"The real-time data group has recommended that firms send their pre- and post-trade reports to intermediaries known as data aggregators, which will in turn pass along that information to data distributors such as information vendors," said Richard Gissing, president of Gissing Software in Kent, U.K. "It is unlikely that systematic internalizers will take on the role of data aggregators, but exchanges and consortia such as Project Boat could do so."
Gissing Software and Arcontech are in discussions with members of Project Boat to provide links to each other and to data distributors. "There will be a lot of opportunity to create a more level playing field and bring an end to market data being available from only one source," says Arcontech's Miller.


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Hello, Taking these now for 4 weeks, not dieting very well but not putting on weight either, so based on that CLA is doing the job, going back into the gym this month to work on strenght so may see better effect then. I do get heart burn when I take after Thermopure(on empty stomach b4 meal), I take the CLA with meal . May be the sequence of taking is wrong? Thermo before meal, CLA with meal: Heartburn!
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i have been on the CLA tabs for 6 weeks now and waited til now to review them. i am 6 foot and 83 kilos, do cardio 2 times a week (circuits and hiit) and then the rest of my week is weights.
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Its hard to tell as i've just started taking them. I will re-review in the future.
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Whereas i cannnot say for definate if this product alone is responsible for my results as i started Max Elle True Diet Protein and Thermo capsules at the same time and started being stricter with my diet and training. Over 2 weeks I have lost 3lbs however, as i am still buildign muscle i think my loss in inchs is a better representation, i have lost 1-1.5inchs off all areas which i am extatic about.
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I have only been taking this product for just over a week now so havent seen any knock on effects yet. But overall seems like a good product from what i have read around. Goes Well With:Green Tea extract
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Easy to swallow, no after taste, high quality product. I took 2 caps x 3 times a day not with meals but snacks to improve the absorption. I have been on a clean diet and I train 6 times a week. I am not 100% sure if CLA did the trick but it definitely helped with the stubborn fat around my belly. Goes Well With:Acetyl L-Carnitine, Green tea
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- (27 / Apr / 2014)
Great working, easy to consume, happy days!
- (24 / Apr / 2014)
Great product at a great price! Effective after a few weeks. Only downside is that it leaves an awful after taste of whisky when you burp!Goes Well With:Grant's or Jack Daniels!
- (23 / Apr / 2014)
Been taking these for 2 weeks now and can start to see a difference in body fat being shed. I take 2 capsules twice, sometimes three times a day with meals, and in between meals take L Carnitine and my mid section, where I have the most body fat, is starting to look more slimmed down. I also sweat a lot more in workouts and sweat a lot sooner than what I used to when starting a workout. Has a bit of a weird taste, but nothing too overpowering and goes once the capsules are swallowed. Goes Well With:When eating a meal
L Carnitine
- (22 / Apr / 2014)
I have been using CLA in conjunction with MP Max Thermo-extreme and have found the results to be very good. They really helped with my cutting phase and allowed me to see results quicker than adjusting my diet alone.
RecommendedGoes Well With:MP Max thermo-extreme
So far so good...
- (22 / Apr / 2014)
I've only been using CLA for the past 4-5 weeks alongside a new training program. So far so good. Being softgel tabs they are easy to take and have no aftertaste. Will stick with them as results are looking positive
Wonderful CLA
- (21 / Apr / 2014)
These were bought for my husband who trains in a gym 6 days a week, although he's now 70 years old, and used to use powdered CLA. these softgels are very convenient. Everyone at the gym are amazed at his fitness.CLA is a very effective ingredient in his regime. Goes Well With:Whey Protein and dry porridge oats in a shake or any meal.
- (21 / Apr / 2014)
No weird taste, however quite large pills. They curb my appetite not sure there meant to do that but I am not complaining! Seem to be flattening my ab area after a few days. Goes Well With:Water
Carb Blocker
L Carnitine
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