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I'm glad you liked my little joke about hammers and carrots. I hoped you would.
I am in a lot of pain because someone needed to borrow one of our cars to get to work in Omaha, and since we both need them, we spent time making our Festiva run. I have been awake since 2AM from the pain , and I will attend a meeting at ten o clock thirty miles away. Hence my hijacking the premise of your post.
Obama knew he was so special he could share his magnificance and the world would swoon. He made an applogy tour and told us all it would be different because he had arrived. What did we get for it? Less than nothing.
The Democrats crowed about one of Obama's few foreign policy successes at their convention, and a week later a Salafist flag flew over our counsolate and four men were dead. Our ambasador was tortured and dragged through the streets. Mobs chanted "Obama, Obama, there are a million more Osamas!"
The White House lied to us and maybe itself that a video trailer had triggered the attacks. They even tried to get Youtube to drop the video, and authorities brought the producer in for questioning. Some liberal fascists said he should be jailed for excercising his right of free speech.
Most of domestic news media repeated the lie so often that we had to trust foreign news reporters, the Libiyan and Egyptian governments for the truth.
The Russians were also supposed to recognize our reset as a new beginning of friendship. How has that worked. Putin said one good thing about Romney is he is outspoken. Russia has also expelled the US Agency for International Development.
I think that as much as the video, Democratic triumphalism at their convention angered the Muslims.
I like Mr. Steele, though he is a bit more liberal than I but this morning, I don't give a damn what he thinks. I care about accountability for this clueless adminstration and the damage it has unwittingly inflicted. I want accountability for the press who hide the truth until it is too late.
If you pray, you ought to pray for anyone at the meeting who crosses me and for the secretary of another organization if she hesitates to do what she needs to do this morning.
I'll take the money. Woof.
Good luck James.
As a black man, I wonder why Steele would vote against his own interests. :roll:
"But I think Mitt gave away their true ethos …. forget about the poor cos they'll never vote for us anyway."
This is such a deliberate bastardization of what he was saying I know you know better. Gaff, yes. Inartfully stated point, yes. A revealing statement proving a lack of compassion or antipathy towards the poor? Not by any reasonable standards.
R, the best thing that can be done for the urban black community is to quit pandering to it and perpetuating governmental and societal dependence and expectations of atonement.
Just a little food for thought for folks who think the govt takeover of medicine is a great thing: Remember I told you that the VA was trying to kill my cousin, and as his Medical Power of Attorney, I had him transferred to another VA (Richmond), where they actually began feeding him? (no nutrition for 4 days – that I know of – at the other facility. The MD bugged me daily to make him a "no code" as well, which I refused.)
Well, the Richmond VA is an "acute care facility" only, and after they tuned him up in short order, he had to go back to the original VA.
He died there last night.
If you like the VA system, you'll LOVE Obamacare.
Thanks folks, we all survived. The meeting was successful, and we persuaded a local historian to let us use his new book for storie in our newsletter. I chair four organizations and serve on a couple of others. My wife is also an officer, and she writes grant applications.
The secretary corrected an another organization's oversight with no argument. .
We got the bright idea of merging the groups for certain projects, and while the synergy is nice, it is like herding cats.
Our DVD player-recorder got sick and tech support says it must go tot the shop in Texas. I reported the weather and was told need to cover our tomato plants. My wife is still gone with her group's meeting.
I agree with you about cars, Poolman. It is hard enough to find spark plugs now. We take cars to the mechanic. We still have a 1976 Maveric I can still understand.
it was a good day, but I am tired.
I know the UK system. You soon will see this as the good old days of medical care.
Give you a day off and you're still raging. You're going to have an aneurism, then I really will feel responsible for shortening your miserable life. That's what happens when your hopes and aspirations dependent upon Chaz Maddow's opinions and pose them as facts. You should read more books and turn off the TV.
Listen up, chief. That comment about dealing with you was no threat. That would be like kicking the pet gerbil. It was simply a statement I would deal with this when you cooled off. You always assume the worst. Going to war with you would be like going to war with Yeller Dawg.
I did make one mistake. I thought you had some donate button once upon a time in the header and I haven't looked in a long time. That was how I was going to make my deposit in the catastrophic event Rev. Jeremiah Hussein Farrakahan Wright Jr. wins the election, bub. There was no middle man – the very reason I didn't bet Thor direct. If he still wants to carry forth, I'm still game. But your mouth cost you $100.00 in the event chump wins.
There was no blowing steam – it was going to be my donation for your economic and personal health after these four years – figure it was the least I could do for turning you into a typing time bomb. If Thor got to do it for me, so much the better. A little history – it was you that practically begged Rabbit and me to come over to begin conversing your untrafficked blog because you were getting frustrated when we were making fun of you elsewhere. Remember?
And I didn't hack anything. I didn't do anything illegal. It's just this Sensico is as dumb as you are about setting privacy rights. And since I knew you two stooges would be in complete denial, I grabbed a few screen shots. Seemed harmless enough. I doubt even that dolt remembers what she's posted all over this net. What I'm not comfortable about is passing personal information to anybody – especially a man I DO NOT TRUST like you. The more I thought about it, the more it became a really bad idea. And I decided I'm not going to be a real shit in real life, pulling your chain and exposing you as fraud is enough, because that goes way beyond mockery on a blog.
So I was right, wasn't I? :razz:
You're still seething, so I'll once again sit on my hands before I school you once again ad nauseam somewhere else. This place has become a zoo – feckless, Jooo hating losers like Poolman are what you deserve.
I will leave you alone. :wink:
But before you go to mocking someone's faith, maybe next time you'll have reservation about doing so, lest you get your face rubbed in dog shit again when the wrong person comes along.
You're damn right I was here to teach you a lesson.
But that I can convince Ms Muffy I'm not completely heartless and bullying, I'm sorry for making you so angry, pointing out massive disconnects, lack of facts, and complete buffoonery. It was easy. You're a Lib.
Tex, don't imagine for a second that I think otherwise (re: heartless and bullying). I see this treasure, this Eden, circling the drain and I know how it's come to pass. We – they – elected a beguiler, for one thing. But much of the larger unrest is just humans being humans. :(
I just don't believe that Rutherford would out you. But I put myself in your shoes and thought that I wouldn't feel very comforted knowing that someone on any one of these political blogs knew my name.
I'm glad that you didn't expose sensico.
Damn, I ask if Rutherford wrote the last blog while taking a dump and he responds by interviewing Micheal Steele. Well done, sir.
I read on the other thread that Noah was fucking with cars. Dude, you are fucking nuts. Did, I read that wrong?
James –
re: Mavericks. When I was in college, my girlfriend was looking for a good, cheap, reliable car. She saved up her money from working at a fast-food place and bought a '74 Maverick, having seen the commercials where the stewardesses took one apart and reassembled it. (remember that?) It was a horrible mistake. This was right after the first round of EPA-mandated pollution controls. The car had a 6-cyl motor and got 11 mpg. Think about that. The exhaust lasted 3 months and rusted out. The shocks lasted about the same. In a month, the chrome bumper was pitted, with rusty spots everywhere; within a year the brakes went out and the fender wells had rusted completely out. I had to cut metal and bondo up a makeshift edge on the rear quarter panels around the wheel wells. 15,000 was a good life for points and plugs. And the unions wonder why Americas threw other Americans (them) to the dogs. Hell, I'm an American, too – why didn't they make a good car to sell to me? I have owned two American-made cars since then: a Dodge diesel truck and a Ford Bronco.
I don't know what to think about Tex. I think that under the right circumstances, he and I could be GOOD friends, but this Internet thing seems to just kill basic civility – hell, we've all lost our tempers at times, but Jesus Christ…it's almost like the basically good guy who gets behind the wheel and all of a sudden he's Mr. Hyde.
My Oldest and Best Friend Joe and I were talking about this yesterday. He is MUCH farther left than I, but when we talk – especially about politics (which is all the time) – we have sort of an unspoken agreement that there are lines we don't cross. You don't have to say where they are; you just KNOW.
Anyway, there is something unsavory about his and Noah's posts at times. It's like a violation of the basic host-guest relationship…I can't express it any better than that.
re: poolman@15. Hear! Hear! If Americans, sitting comfortably in their easy chairs, want to support the troops, then 1)support a universal draft, so EVERYBODY can contribute for real, not just lip service, and 2)stop sending them to hell-holes like Afghanistan, with no strategy or defined endpoint.
All the platitudes and "CARE packages" don't amount to a row of pins. If you really support them, My Fellow Americans, then really show it. but the fact is that we can never make up for the current betrayal of our own young men and women. Never.
FYI, poolman, I am done. Fucking goobers. It's a Ron Paul write-in. Case closed.
Obama rubes voting for Ron Paul? That's cool with me. Its not a vote for Obama. Ron Paul is a staunch pro lifer. Wants to audit the Fed. And, doesn't have a chance in hell of winning, so I don't have to fear his foolish foreign policy. I tell all the Hope and Changers to vote Ron Paul.
Thanks, Ragi.
In late 2005, a doctor told me I might not be walking in two years. A neurosurgeon told me if I could stand the pain, never let someone like him touch my hack. This time, it is my neck with damage caused in another auto accident combined with the results of my Air Force adventures.
I'm feeling better, but you won't hear much from me, because I don't want to interrupt the improving trend. I have to be fit to celebrate my birthday in Omaha next month.
Obama spoke at a meeting sponsored by Telemundo. He lied about Fast and Furious when he said it began during the Bush administration. He needs to take responsibility for that failed program and the lives it cost.
Doctors say concussions are associated with a higher risk of Alzheimers or other mental disabilities. I was unconscious, and my brain swelled.That must explain why if i voted for Obama, Biden would be the reason.
Biden said Cheerleaders are really gymnasts. "The stuff they do on hard wood, it blows my mind." I'll bet it was good wood!.Ha!
Pfessor, I agree, but this Maveric is one my aunt sold us.She drove it until she was 98. As she signed the papers she had a small stroke, and couldn't sign her name. She retrieved her phone book and copied her name from the directory.
My aunt fell down a flight of stairs in England. The National Health Service fixed her end finished with physical therapy. I think it cost her $100 and she wasn't a citizen.
"Tigre, I know we've had our semantic arguments but how in heaven's name can you parse this to not be offensive?"
Well, here we go again (I guess). Because I understand his point and his meaning, I'm not looking to validate a media caricature political bias as you are.
As simply as I know how to say it, the reason I don't find it offensive is because (1) it doesn't describe me, (2) although it's literally hyperbolic, what he said is also largely true, (3) the context, audience and purpose (fund raising for big donors and an electorate locked into a 47% vote for Obama NO MATTER WHAT) was entirely directed at what it takes to "win the election" not a policy speech, and (4) no fucking way is Romney's personal belief a "fuck the poor" — that's the MSNBC version of Romney, not the real one.
I too am shocked at the support for Obama after having seen what he's made of. Yes, shocked. I don't get you and your ilk in the least Rutherford. You work from images that reflect a view antithetical to what I believe and in In trying to understand why that is I reach much the same conclusion.
Romney was of course speaking to the bigotry of low expectations that defines the unmovable Obamaites whether they are among the dependent and — here's where he fumbled — those that support his policies of dependence he was including in the 47%.
Romney is absolutely right to say that 47% of the people will vote for Obama no matter what. He is also right to say that an increasing number of people are in receipt of money from the federal government while paying no federal income tax. Regardless of what Obama says, things are not good nor improving when there are more people who obtained Social Security Disability Insurance than obtained a job.
Yes, it was not accurate to say that all of Obama's vote comes from people in receipt of government entitlements. There are rich people who support Obama and pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege of sitting in his presence. We all know that. Obama spends his time among celebrities.
So, the assumption that those in receipt of said entitlements don't want to improve their lives is not true for all,offended or not it is true that there is a HUGE segment that are perfectly content to be receipt of government entitlements. So when Romney says it's "not his job to worry about those people", it is the same as when he said he's "not concerned about the poor" last February. As then, I understand the difference a statement about campaign strategy (the appeal of his message) and compassion or empathy.
BTW, the so-called "semantics arguments" with you Rutherford have resulted, without exception, from your not having read and considered what I said carefully before going on a tirade. It's also why you have lost every single one of them.
Romney's 47% statement sums up every thing wrong with this country and can be linked perfectly to Steele's comment on accountability. Votes bought with the next generation's wealth. I don't care if it offends good people who make up that 47%. I doesn't change the dangerous situation we are in. As ancient philosophers and our founding fathers have noted, this situation is the silver bullet that kills republics.
One question for poolman and Pfessor, why don't you just vote for the Libertarian Party candidate on the ballot? Wouldn't that be easier than doing a write in?
Military doesn't seem to have a recruitment problem. I have no idea how a universal draft would help anyone. Cracks me up when I hear dudes in their 60s who have never served talking universal draft. If that isn't the ultimate chicken hawk move, I don't know what is.
The VA is like any other nanny mess except its taboo to bash. They waste a ton of money on the wrong dudes. Thousands abuse the system while wounded heroes wait in line. And you know what? Let me get a little chicken hawk myself. Half these PTSD motherfuckers are pussies. I know a teacher who was a reservist. He did a year in Iraq. He's now back in the classroom, functioning perfectly. He's getting 100% disability for PTSD. Wtf?
This one feels like my precious. It's going to sting locking it up in my bank booty chest.
Man does the Obama administration like to feed America a line of bull shit when we get attacked by Al Queda. The Fort Hood attack was due to work related stress. Our embassador murdered in a coordinated hit and were told its not even an attack on America. Hell…..we were told it wasn't even an attack! Just an angry mob rightfully pissed but worngly out of control about a movie that the administration blabbed about for 5 days straight.
Lol….looks like I might have posted some gay erotica with my Gabor Szabo track.
Dude. Give it up. Too many people on the dole who vote. It's a dangerous situation. Mince it all you want. Yay! MSNBC thinks they can cause drama. So does Rutherford! Mean while the debt bomb grows and discussion of a fiscal cliff isnt even shocking anymore.
R, I said it was flawed or hyperbolic from the outset. The comments have not (and will not) change your vote or my vote. Pass or no pass, are potential Romney voters repulsed by the comments or underlying concept? Nahh.
Rutherford, why does Obama lie after every Al Queda attack? They quickly and vehemently spew bull shit after EVERY attack. And they seem to get a way with it. It's pretty unnerving to see the administration so concerned with the political spin first and foremost when we get attacked by the stink beards. Transparency my ass.
Huh? Just go shopping? That was merely a request for a return to normalcy. What does that have to do with misleading the country?
Look R, believe what you want. The wishful thinking you accuse me of belongs to you. Your so-called "facts" and assessments of "visceral reactions" filtered through MSNBC are not what I'm talking about. I know; I watch it. I see how Noonan articles you don't read or the approach of a republican candidate in Mass-a-fucking-chusetts suddenly becomes your proof that Romney's all through once reported on Morning Joe.
We all get the meme: the Republican's hair is on fire over everything Romney says. Got it. And it's besides the point. I won't repeat what I've said. You're "since you're on Romney's campaign team" stupidity shows me you're deliberately mischaracterizing the scope and content of it. I am not going to play along. It's just too lame.
As to whatever else you were talking about. . . sure, sure. Romney's going down. He's been exposed. He's a liar, cheat, thief, criminal, sociopath, racist, that hates the poor and minorities or whatever. You got him. Everyone's running way from him. :roll:
Suffice it to say that you are a fool to think that I and others here are as emotionally and personally invested in Romney as you are Obama. I can survive another new cycle without assurances that I will be proven right through the outcome of this election. I do not pretend to carry Romney's message or feel an obligation to protect him as you do Obama. You are mistaken to assign your motives to me.
alfie@43. re: draft. The govt was appalled how it had lost control of the masses during Vietnam, and they did their homework. When every eighteen year-old man in America was subject to being drafted, sent to a hellhole and have his guts shot out, suddenly the idea of war became Real Personal, not some abstraction, and the people rebelled. You don't see any such protests now, do you? That's because it ain't your kid in danger – it's somebody else's kids. And our right-winger friends can always say, "Well, they volunteered, didn't they?"
Volunteered my ass. Youth employment is probably around 25%, and any young man or woman with ambition knows his/her best choice is the military – make that "nearly his/her only choice."
No, like I said, the gub'ment did their homework. The first step toward totalitarianism is to keep a country in a continual state of war, so you can take the people's freedoms one at a time. On that front there is not a nickel's difference between the Dimocrats and the ReBiblicans – both are driving us headlong to the same place, while their mouthpieces spout off about Ron Paul's "silly foreign policy" or somesuch. Feh.
"It has the most with the majority class of Americans who simply are too selfish,too self centered to care about the veterans or the policies that create them."
No, it's because that majority has no dog in the hunt. If THEIR kids were subject to military service, I can guarantee you they would pay attention. As for the "warrior class" – that terminology is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. We should ALL be warrior class; that's what a real democracy is all about.
We talk about how people on the dole don't participate in this country or care about the rest of us who do; well, maybe the same principle applies to military service.
The reason we are in a world of shit right now is quite simple: this government Of the People, By the People, For the People is wildly out of that People's control, and those selfsame People are so damned ignorant about their own Constitution, what it says and how it has been successfully implemented for 200 years that they don't have a clue about how to put things back on track.
We – and when I say that, I mean this, MY generation – has utterly failed in executing its obligations to all the generations of Americans that came before, and all those that will come after. (if there are any)
"Absolutely the wrong message to send. When you have decided you are at war, there is no return to normalcy until the war is over."-R
Yeah. We should have all been growing victory gardens and instituted the draft. We should have switched to a command economy and been forced to sing patriotic songs.
That being said. What does that have to do with Obama lying about the nature of pretty much every attack? Did you read that article?
As for you guys and your draft. Do you really think I would want to put my life in the hands of millions of quasi high school kids who shouldn't be in the military in the first place? And don't want to be there? Do we draft women too?
As for the instant turn towards a peaceful nation, I would remind that some of the most militaristic countries in history had a mandatory draft. Prussia ring a bell? Yeah…..that turned out well. So, it's not a garuntee that we would always be so peaceful.
"Rabbit, if you're pulling the lever for Romney you're not voting for a solution. We will hit the fiscal cliff before Romney becomes Pres if he wins. Second. if Ryan's budget reflects anything close to Romney's budget, we don't balance until 2040." -Rutherford
I'm pulling the lever for Romeny as a last ditch effort to repair what Obama did to a nation that already was sinking. As for Ryan…..key word BUDGET….as he actually makes an attempt.
I already know Obama is a complete failure. The numbers are right in front of my face. I have a slim hope Romeny won't also be a failure. I don't get tingles up my leg over him. I didn't even watch the GOP convention. I youtubed Clint Eastwood. Read the transcript of Rubio.
And Obama was just lecturing about his FP experience? :roll:
As I've said, imagine if this guy didn't have a complicit media. He feels so comfortable they'll do whatever it takes for him, he actually has the balls to go out and call Fast & Furious a Bush program KNOWING THAT'S A LIE — already hashed out. But who cares? Now, like OBL, he's got to lie about the cause in Benghazi. He insisted that the attack on the consulate in Benghazi was a protest that "spun out of control" — and sent Susan Rice to the Sunday talk shows last weekend to insist on it. He rolled out a false story even while the Libyan President said there was "no doubt" that the attack was premeditated and well organized.
Good call on that Arab Spring Obama. Keep wagging you finger on your middle east strategy. The MSM has your back. Sweden has a meddle for you.
Now where's those Romney tax returns?
"As for you guys and your draft. Do you really think I would want to put my life in the hands of millions of quasi high school kids who shouldn't be in the military in the first place? And don't want to be there?"
First of all, you're too old. But if you have kids, that will be incentive enough, though. As Herb Spencer said, "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools." We, the fools, send other people's kids out to be maimed and die. We need to face sending or own and we won't be so goddamned cavalier about doing it.
"Do we draft women too?"
You bloody well right we do.
"As for the instant turn towards a peaceful nation, I would remind that some of the most militaristic countries in history had a mandatory draft. Prussia ring a bell?"
Apples and oranges. The Prussians had absolutely no control over our government. At least nominally, we do. Draft my kid to be maimed in order to bring "democracy" to a cadre of bloody cavemen and I will be on your ass like a duck on a Junebug.
sending our own, not or own
shit. control over THEIR government. not our.
Too busy to proof properly. Apologies.
"You're too old." Pfessor
Am I? I'm 38. I better be too old, I feel too old. :-)
And I already served. As did 3 out 4 of my brothers.
Drafting chicks huh. Yeah. Try to take my one niece and all 5 of my brothers will be locked and loaded.
Ha ha. I always count myself as a brother. I'm not crazy and either am I.
Actually, I might be talking out of my ass now that I think of it. While Prussia glorified the military and service to country was the only way to achieve power, I'm not sure they had a constant conscription policy.
Got to love you baby boomers, Pfessor. Every fix includes fucking the young ones over. Now they all have to go to bootcamp for the sole reason of checking horrible policy. Dude, who knows. You may be too correct on this one. Maybe they will decide to tar and feather your entire depends wearing, blue pill popping generation of vampires. Just start tipping wheel chairs and refuse paying taxes.
The biggest fallacy of big government philosophy and Obama's message (Reynold's Law):
The government decides to try to increase the middle class by subsidizing things that middle class people have: If middle-class people go to college and own homes, then surely if more people go to college and own homes, we'll have more middle-class people.
But homeownership and college aren't causes of middle-class status, they're markers for possessing the kinds of traits — self-discipline, the ability to defer gratification, etc. — that let you enter and stay in the middle class.
Subsidizing the markers doesn't produce the traits; if anything, it undermines them.
This is why liberal/progressive politics fail and will always fail – it doesn't comprehend the traits that bring out the best in people, offering satisfaction and contentment.
It caters to the idea of low expectation and victim status by birth. And it cheapens us, dividing one against the other through theft, covet and envy.
What are your "facts" Rutherford and how does it apply to what I said specifically; not what you said? I already watched MSNBC. This is getting tired. Haven't you figured out it's tired for others here too? To say arguing with you is like arguing with a brick wall is being too generous. You absolutely refuse to read and consider what I write or as you call it "semantics." :roll:
Alphie, 3 sentence rule. Any thing more then that by the poolman and I skip it.
@96. Well, why don't we extend all that professionalism to everybody? Let's institute a universal draft, so everybody gets to drink in all that goodness! There's the solution to America's problems. Let's all become superior human beings like Alfie and his buds.
Please. Spare us the lectures on the moral superiority of the Citizen Soldier. I've seen plenty of really, really fucked up soldiers in my lifetime – which by the way, has been a lot longer than yours. You may get the superior training, alright, but you also can get stressed in ways that make you not only screwed up in the head, but dangerous.
Those who have seen combat generally don't talk about it, and take a very dim view of the boys who sailed through the military having only fought for a good place in the mess hall and then moralize to everyone else.
Its not just combat, guy. It can be a dangerous job in peace time. Ever work on a tug boat? Would you like to work on one with some hack who was indentured? There is going to be a doctor shortage soon. Maybe we should conscript your old ass back into service for 1/4 the pay. It would be good for the motherland, after all. Secondly, wtf would we do with all the motherfuckers? Standing army loitering in every urban area? You are a smart guy. You've read about labor. Too many mothetfuckers can be worse then too few. Particularly 18 year olds!
R, you have the mempry of a goldfish:
I am not aware of what "exoneration" has occurred. Please enlighten. I recall Holder being held in Contempt of Congress. That's a finding of obstruction, not exoneration.
As for moderate Muslims, how the hell does this relate to my "narrative?" I was referring to the Obama administration's complete lack of candor. What does your comment have to do with mine?
Ah, forget it. You'd obviously rather trash talk than actually read what I wrotel.
"In my line of work if a guy doesn't pull his weight he's not in my line of work." Poolman
Exactly my point!
"Israel has a two year military service requirement for ALL men and women, I believe."
I'm all for the draft in times of an immediate existential threat.
Yes I do.
One thing this group has in common, pessimism! Get some Prozac, alcohol isn't doing it for you.
I'm not getting into Israeli Palestinian conflict with you. Perhaps you believe the Jews should be "driven into the sea" as the Arabic lyrics bellow out of the cars here in Dearborn exclaim….and these are moderates. The Israelis live in a tough neighborhood full of irrational people with a penchant for attacking them. Some have clearly stated goals of eradicating them with a direct political lineage to Hitler himself. As pfessor said, if the Israeli's military vanished today, they would be gone tomorrow. Existential.
Newt….cough…your executive husband may make you feel happy and satisfied…..but we're dealing with almost 10 percent unemployment here in Michigan….my sons are weighed down in debt from politicians they will never know that give them nothing in return. They had no say in it. The entire country is very pessimistic. Suicide is more common now then car accident deaths. You pop the champain you've been talking about. The Federal Reserve keep using the word "fiscal cliff" and believe things to be so dire they deemed it necessary to print indefinitely. The rest of us know people who are suffering and suffering dearly. And that ain't no partisan spin. So, enjoy your political gotcha game. It's no game for the rest of us.
Great. Holder exonerated. Now, I was speaking to Obama's claims that F&F started under Bush. Remember what I said? The link?
Rabbit, I do understand and no one is going rah rah for things as they now stand, but this is a situation that can be fixed. This country has been through the worst of it and things are getting better. Do not let tough times sour you on life, you still have your job right?
Pfesser, you were saying something about my civility? In my absence, it doesn't appear that the Waltons won they day. While I'm driving, I appear to have much company. :wink:
The ease with which Rutherford lies anymore forces me to suspend disbelief it's just by accident:
Tigre you're losing it. F&F did have its genesis under Bush.
FACT: You're wrong (as always). Even your complicit and beloved Obama media has recognized this fact.
In fact, it appears the Obama Administration has trouble telling the truth about much of anything from Fast & Furious, to the economy rounding the corner.
What truth does Obama own? Jimmy Carter is the best case scenario.
Obama can't even get the message that the mideast riots were based on terrorism. The gang that couldn't shoot straight.
I also see our illustrious President, exposed as immutable dunce and lightweight by Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, referred tonight on CBS the chatter of a nuclear armed Iran just "noise."
STEVE KROFT: "How much pressure have you been getting from Prime Minister Netanyahu to make up your mind to use military force in Iran?"
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "Well—look, I have conversations with Prime Minister Netanyahu all the time (after Jay Z). And I understand and share Prime Minister Netanyahu's insistence that Iran should not obtain a nuclear weapon, because it would threaten us, it would threaten Israel, and it would threaten the world and kick off a nuclear arms race."
STEVE KROFT: "You're saying, you don't feel any pressure from Prime Minister Netanyahu in the middle of a campaign to try and get you to change your policy and draw a line in the sand? You don't feel any pressure?"
PRESIDENT OBAMA: "When it comes to our national security decisions—any pressure that I feel is simply to do what's right for the American people. And I am going to block out—any noise that's out there. Now I feel an obligation, not pressure but obligation, to make sure that we're in close consultation with the Israelis—on these issues. Because it affects them deeply. They're one of our closest allies in the region. And we've got an Iranian regime that has said horrible things that directly threaten Israel's existence."
Noise being Benjamin Netanyahu. So what are you doing to prevent it, Mr. President?
Little or nothing.
Hit a nerve, did I, big Alf?
I have spent years studying WWII, and take every opportunity to converse with the Greatest Generation. One thing they all have in common: they don't like braggarts and blowhards who never saw a minute's combat, but then lecture the civilians about how good they have it because of the military's sacrifices – none of which were made by them.
The REAL warriors don't glorify military service; to the last man they say, "I had no choice; I did what I had to do. There is no glory in killing, or lying on a hillside with shit running down the inside of your pants-leg because you are frightened out of your mind."
But you wouldn't know about that, would you?
There are good folks all over, and knotheads, too. I personally find some of the Poolman's ideas pretty odd, but I will give him one thing: he's not been fooled by the gub'ment enemas about "patriotism," "love it or leave it," and a dozen other memes that lead the credulous flag-wavers around by the nose, while that selfsame govt takes away the freedoms that MADE this greatest country that ever was.
Wise up, General Patton. The government is raw power, nothing but. REAL patriots don't brag about how superior they are because they are ex-military; they work to ensure their country stays (or America's case returns to being) free.
Yes, you are right, Tex – everybody has a limit. But there is a very big difference between losing your temper occasionally and making it a way of life.
New wrote this group is too pescimistic. I think they are realistic. The suicide rate is now higher than the death rate of auto accidents. More people are taking disability or food stamps because they can't find jobs.
Over two thirds of our Afghanistan war deaths have happened during Obama's watch.
Our Middle East policy is in shambles and Afghanistan is fading. Iraq is not doing so well either.Russia's goal is discord in the Middle East to enhance oil prices which helps their income. Ours is lower prices through stability. Who is winning/
Obama called the Libyan deaths and presumably the killing of Brian Terry and nearly 300 Mexicans as a bump in the road.
I survived the draft. I enlisted, and for two weeks, the Army and Air Force fought over me. I will support the draft the minute the Obama daughter enter basic training.
My mother thought I should have fled to Canada. Considering the state of their economy, she may have been right.
Pfessor those are cheap shots towards Alphie. And if you are directing them at me down right laughable as I think all here would agree I've been pretty honest over my 4 years in service.
You're so over the top on this issue I suspect there are some other forces at work. Perhaps a little guilt that you dodged?
Instead of being a meany to Alphie over his peace time service and the fact that he thinks the army should stay professional, why don't you go slumming and answer the old rabbit's questions.
Why is it ok to draft young people to solve policy issues and not you?
What do we do with millions upon millions of 18 year old bootcampers? Shall we tie arm bands on them and make them sing songs as they provide security at the 12 Oaks Mall?
You weren't bragging. You were simply taking pride in the professionalism you saw in the army.
His barbs about your lack of combat experience have nothing to do with the issue at hand. The funny thing is you would swear pfessor is claiming HE is much more aware of the combat experience then you are because…well…he is older and smarter. Stay tuned for stories of the coal mine, his deadly accuracy with a rife and his numerous inventions. He is better stuff then you, Alphie. You shouldn't have disagreed with him about the universal draft, despite his lack of logistics, because younger generations exist to solve his generation's problems and….uh….you don't know what it was like at Point Omaha maaaaan. Oh, Poolman has more integrity then you do because he doesn't drink the kool aid. Good day.
I don't even lose my temper here, much less live it. Only a few times have I even gotten miffed. Most of this is in jest, and I would hope it is the same for you. Yes, I am almost sure we would be friendly at a high level in reality – our sense of humor is much the same, and I generally lean toward the story telling, bloviating type – we are two.
There are some here I like much better than others and would even welcome meeting in real life, mostly out of curiosity to see if my picture matches reality, but it is still fantasy league football in a room of strangers. One would have to be certifiable to let that impact their health.
My point was, I was singled out for my mouth (fair enough, it is rather large), but your very first comment here was a heaping dose of religious bigotry. The very first comment. Even I didn't stoop to such a low level out of the box. :grin:
I really don't feel like I'm tougher on poor Rutherford than any other feckless, mindless dimwit from the Left. You and I have a different philosophy on that take. You have a fair argument since Rutherford the host, I owe a degree of passivity, restraint and respect toward him. I cede your point.
But I have a fair argument Rutherford is the author and deliverer of rank propaganda, mendacity, egregious distortions, cognitive dissonance, projection, perceived bias, false conclusions, hostility toward my faith, and mouthpiece for evil, deserving to be hammered with the 20lbs sledge.
I would respect Rutherford's wishes if he told me to get lost. He knows that. He also knows I would just carry the message elsewhere, which frustrated him big time four years ago. He asked me here – I complied.
I certainly would not treat Rutherford like that nag that owns Fat Grannies and the clowns on the dunk tank that frequent there, insulting their intelligence, getting banned, and then returning to breach security to insult some more just to watch them swing from the branches. When I call Fat Grannies a monkey cage, I mean that.
Rutherford carries the same message, but a more serious author and real believer, who deserves a more serious response.
So at the very least, I ask my doctor friend to share in the incivility charges as we rip around the track sharing the driver's seat.
Alfie, for what it is worth, I actually consider you the fairest guy or gal on the entire board. You're at least willing to listen to the egregious lying and respond civilly the first time around.
Most of us don't even have that degree of patience.
To my point Rutherford:
Let me give you but one example of why I am so vocal in my contempt for Rutherford's voting bloc.
Voter ID laws.
We all know why these useless bastards are calling it voter suppression. It is.
It's a well known and provable fact, voter fraud has been rampant in the urban centers for years – dead people voting, double voting, stuffing ballot boxes at the ACORN center, illegals voting.
Then these POS have the unmitigated gall to tell us we're "stealing" elections.
Look, If you want to have a say in how much I and others get to pay for your freebies, then get a picture ID. Got to have a picture ID to board a plane, cash a check, get into a bar, get into the Democratic Convention, get a social security card, and a zillion other reasons. I don't even know how people get by without a picture ID. They're issued at every level of higher education by academia.
But now academia wants to excuse it when it comes to voting. Are you kidding me?
It's time to smoke out the cockroaches.
PF, you've grown on me a lot since you first started commenting here. But I must say (as I have before),you of all people would lecture anyone on what it means to be a braggart respecting any subject.
If they gave away a free iphone to those with a picture i.d., there'd be lines at the DMV a mile long. Ah, but not for verifying the right to vote in a national election.
"you of all people [should not] lecture anyone"
My feeling is that there is nothing in life but refraining from hurting others, and comforting those who are sad.
:roll: A mindless quote if there ever was :roll:
Like radical jihadists?
I normally make exception to this guy as he an equal opportunist offender, but his take on Islam, Libya and the Muslim Brotherhood is little too close to an appropriate answer to that dimwitted quote:
Poolman are you sure rabbit is a teacher? From what he says about Michigan, and what I assume would just naturally be a concern about the education of the next generation, wouldn't he support and defend President Obama's stimulus? Chances are it saved his job and kept teachers in the classroom: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/31/us/31stimulus.html
Now even you guys should realize Romney won't be President. http://www.politicususa.com/wheels-fall-romney-obama-leads-nascar-fans-48-41.html
I already posted that at #135 Tex.That and the majority of daily tracking polls don't support his take on Mitt Romney's May statements.
Densi up there telling us Republicans have lost the NASCAR Vote? :lol: Yeah, well I trump that in that Obama lost the black vote. I'm sure I read that some place.
I've seen two polls recently, both on Politico – hardly a conservative site – in fact, they're Baghdad Bob for leftists on a good day.
Two facts now: Romney leads the middle class by 14%. Romney leads the Independent vote by 14%.
Something is not adding up with all of this polling. I can't tell you for sure, but this crap that Mitt Romney has lost the election? :twisted:
All I know is for sure is Obama is going to lose by about 40 points in my state. I predict an all-time blowout record loss here where the corn grow as high as an elephant's eye. West Nile Virus is more popular than Obama.
Tex, we all expect your state to go for the white dude.
My wife taught school for 39 years, and she belonged to the NEA for one year. So, I believe rabbit is a teacher.
Latest electoral map, note Oklahoma is red.
And Densi. We all expect your housing project to go for the black dude.
Just make sure you make it back by Nov. 7th.
Poolman, Kent State's shooting should not have happened, but it was not cold blooded murder.Reports at the time said the National Guard troops were green and nervous. The protesters were aggressive and violent. They threw rocks and other objects at authority figures, They charged the Guardsmen.
You or I might have fired too. I don't think the authorities should have sent in the National Guard, or if they did, they should have sent experienced soldiers. They should have been issued tear gas, fire extinguishers or some other non lethal defense., The students should have known more than to charge a group of armed men.
As Jim Croche observed."You don't tug on Superman's cape. You don't spit into the wind."
Newt is just blowing smoke. No one knows who will win the election, not even Romney or Obama.,
Agreed James. Kent State's real history has been rewritten over the years, by the same media in bed with Obama and Bill Ayers, and the same scumbags who feel our incompetent government responsible for 9/11 mastermind.
Popular folklore with the Left, but only the minority in America didn't think the shootings justified.
Buildings set on fire, National Guard attacked, rocks and bricks thrown at guards, SDS and the Weather Underground responsible for the melee, and four people lost their life on account of it. Had the NG done that back in '67, could have saved America a lot of unrest. Didn't tear up many campuses after that either.
Wish they'd do a little more shooting and a lot less shielding.
We all realize not all teachers like their union, but most teachers do not like 40+ students per classroom (because of teacher layoffs), students without desks (sitting on the floor) nor do they like a shortage of books. Other concerns for teachers in depressed areas is the lack of school supplies and hungry students. Seems rabbit would be the exception. I for one find that an odd attitude for any teacher. Most teachers in depressed areas are very happy to even have a job and they are are also very concerned about their students, but rabbit thinks poor Mitt needs lower taxes. Odd!
40+ students to a classroom is also a myth…
Perhaps Rabbit doesn't like the idea of his kids having $35,000 of debt plus interest added to their bills under Obama in less than four years.
Another thing about domestic protesters, Tex was their outrage when the authorities responded in kind. The Governor called out the National Guard when I was at the University of Iowa in 1970. I think the protesters caused several million dollars in damage.
The most concentrated riot I saw was at a Naples train station,The police subdued it with clubs and drew a lot of blood. Unlike our domestic rioters, the Europeans regarded the arrests and injuries as a cost of doing business.
We answered a list of questions the other day with a grade. I borrowed this from my pal CF.
What Would The Leftist Media Do If:
1) A Republican President and Senate did not produce a budget for more than three years?
2) A Republican President, House and Senate passed a legislation that the majority of the country hated, that they never read, that they used bribes and kickbacks to pass, that was a hidden tax, that was passed in the middle of the night in reconciliation barring participation of the Democrats?
3) A Republican President targeted individuals with drones for summary executions, including American citizens?
4)A Republican President went on TV and did not know the amount of the national debt or the deficit?
5) A Republican President serially offended the Israeli Prime Minister and refused a meeting with him to go on the View, Letterman and a show with the pimp with a limp?
6)A Republican President serially skipped his intel briefings, instead suggesting he gets all the info he needs from his teleprompter printouts?
7)A Republican President gave a speech in which he told union workers and pensioners "You didn't earn that" in discussing their sweetheart deals and kickbacks for votes?
8)A Republican President and his UN lackey went around claiming that a carefully planned and orchestrated assault on an undefended ambassador was the result of an unseen movie trailer,or a Lady Gaga song, or a Piss Christ "art" exhibit?
9)A Republican President and his feral dogs rousted at midnight an "artist" with whom they disagreed politically, for exercising his right of free speech on some trumped up "parole violation" charges and perp walked him before the world?
10)A Republican President and his Department of Energy cut a sweetheart deal with a flailing energy company, cutting out the American public from recovery of their money and giving it instead to their cronies?
11)A Republican President attacked a private corporation and stopped it from opening a new plant, utilizing the NLRB, for trying to expand in a pro-union state?
12) A Republican candidate for President hid his college records, his associations with hateful characters, attended a church for twenty years that preached racial hatred, has dinners with an avowed advocate against Israel, (would they hold that tape hostage, at the request of the donor…have they ever?)
My wife still buys things for poor students. Our school gets most of its income from local property taxes and some state aid according to an established formula. Federal aid is incidental.
Too many teachers and other government workers have used most of the golden eggs, and we have little left to sustain them. /Chicago, for example, has become a money pit.
Poolman. I don't know who started the fire. I do believe hat Janet Reno over reacted when she heard the rumor that children were being abused. In my opinion, the government was guilty of unintentional manslaughter,
I've always found it troubling in America that we expect our National Guard, our police, our emergency personnel to use restraint to the extreme when facing people throwing bricks at them. Since when did a thrown brick or rock not become a lethal weapon and assault?
Just my opinion, but you throw a brick at a cop or the National Guard, you deserve a bullet to the head. Which reminds of this funny when Chris Rock was still funny:
What does a shill propagandist do with a series of well documented truths that has no easy excuses? He diverts attention away from the list of truths, leaves them unanswered and unchallenged, and instead reverts to personalities that have no answers either with shows of dozens and dozens of viewers.
Not bad to divert. Actually more clever than most deflections I've read around here.
Buwahahahahaha…don't expect to see this picked up by the LSM. Maybe this is why Obama's transcripts are behind lock and key. Not only does it appear he was a marginal student, but that his education may have been funded by the Sauds.
Evidence emerges Obama's entry into Harvard may have been funded by the Saudis
Remember this article when you read of all these polls showing Obama up – way up – being distributed by the MSM.
Like Ace said. There's a good chance Obama might be repudiated. But there's a better chance these propagandists are going to be humiliated.
I understand your point, tex, but my experience with domestic protesters was that with the exception of a few, most were clueless pretend revolutionaries. Some of the hard core types were willing to sacrifice their fellows as martyrs. They knew a few casualties in such a charged environment would do what the Muslim tape allegedly did.,
For all we know that is what happened at Kent State. It is why I think the wrong National Guards men were assigned to protect Kent State. I saw the damage cool-headed British, Italian, and French police could do with billie clubs or gas.
There was no need to kill anyone-just to knock them senceless.,I mentioned fire extinguishers because I have had personal experience with them. They can be lethal weapons at close range.A Guardsman could also have smashed students in their heads with the rocks they had thrown.
I agree if the students had been armed, the troops should have mowed them down. In normal times someone who throws a brick at a police officer deserves to be shot. The late sixties and early seventies were an abnormal time.
Yes, Chris Rock could be funny,
Obama's possibliy being funded by the Saudis is the best laugh of the day, I hope its true for the entertainment value. It would be great in a debate.
Tex, I'd love to see the flawed polling work against Obama. The LSM is clearly trying to further the perception of momentum in the numbers and that the Romney campaign is hopelessly broken. If that keeps the not-so-motivated dems from going to polls becuase it's "in the bag" all the better.
Now what I'd like somebody to explain is why the national polls show Romney advancing but the swing states are bucking the trend. Coincidence? I ain't buying it.
I would wager Tigre, if you were to take a vote right now, you would see an election similar to 2004 – close either way.
But if the debate fair, I think Romney can put the vote away first debate. Obama's record is a travesty and a national disgrace, no matter how these libs are spinning. And Obama's foreign policy is blowing up before the world's eyes. The SOB was on the set of The View today – didn't even meet with foreign dignitaries. Obama is a joke and nothing but cause célèbre. It disgusts me what this asshole has gotten away with from the corrupt media whores covering for him.
You know Romney's terrible week last week? Obama dropped three points in the latest Gallup poll and they were statistically tied at the end of the week. The huge Romney gaffe about the 47%? Baloney. Many that aren't politicos like we are went "what the hell? Is that true?" Romney needs to run all of that by America.
You know how Obama is going to spin. It's the Thor routine, who does a pretty good job of Obama machine imitation, I think. I wouldn't let Obama spin and I'd be real aggressive while doing so. I'd have every fact and figure that libs can't answer here at my finger tips and systematically destroy Obama's weak argument.
I think Obama shallow and one dimensional. And I think he is easily beaten in debate. Hell, Univision made Obama look like a damn flunky and liar. Romney may not be completely comfortable with the little man, but he's a smart guy and infinitely better than McCain.
I'll be sorely disappointed if Romney can't pick Obama apart – hell, I could; you could; Gorilla could. Romney went head to head with what I find the best political debater I've ever heard – Gingrich.
And Romney held his own. I'm feeling pretty good about Romney's chances.
Tex, agreed. Calling Obama to task on the national stage falls entirely on Romney. The LSM sure as hell won't. What's going on goes well beyond bias to outright deception. Pitiful record, no plan. Nothing from the LSM. Biden? It's just incredible.
When my wife's grandma started teaching in a lumber camp in Matoon, WI, around 1914, she was eighteen years old and had the equivalent of a high school education and two years of "normal school," which netted her a "teaching certificate." She had fifty – FIFTY – students in first grade, many of whom did not speak English. There were Poles, Norwegian, Russian, German children. There in central Wisconsin the winters were brutal – not only because of latitude, but because winters back then were brutal everywhere, and every morning she arrived before the children to build a fire in the wood stove in the bitter cold. She is a family legend, but in point of fact she was not unusual for that day and time.
Our schools now turn out dunces; I see it every time my son's friends visit us; one boy was just out of high school and was grossly ignorant about even the basics, like grammar, spelling, English. FORGET math, biology or science.
I know a lot of the problems cannot be solved by the teachers, but forgive me if I have very little sympathy for an entire system that is so dysfunctional.
Tex noted: "Let me give you but one example of why I am so vocal in my contempt for Rutherford's voting bloc.
Voter ID laws.
We all know why these useless bastards are calling it voter suppression. It is."
Tex, here is somewhere we are in complete agreement. Voting is not a trivial thing that should be bestowed on anybody with a pulse. It needs to go to those who are identifiable as citizens, having a vested interest in deciding how the country is run, and in particular paying the bill for it all. In my opinion, nobody who does not pay taxes has any business voting. When you are being supported by others, you should not be able to vote even more burden on them; they alone should make the decision as to how THEIR money is spent. (And it IS their money; the govt HAS no money, they only spend what they take by force from people who earned it.)
I would argue that the dunce has always existed in substantial numbers. Its just harder to hide them now.
hello, everyone! We have been out of town on vacation and I hope everyone is well. Rutherford: It is my understanding that ERs are just required to stablize patients. They are not required to do more than that and of course they do not do treatments such as for cancer or diabetes at all. Mr. Romney also said that states deal with uninsured patients in different ways–some with ERs and some with "clinics." I do not know what he meant by that.
Rutherford: I apologize for being rude. I did not ask how your wife is doing. Better, I hope.
Oh Pfesser, from a financial standpoint, we probably completely agree. These dimwitted, useless libs have no concept of economics, financial risk, etc…you do. You know something that can't go on forever, won't. I give us 24-36 months before we collapse.
We're not so far apart on most things – but the social issues are a huge gulf, admitted.
I personally think you're throwing your vote away this time, and will regret it even more than that last four years if you write in Paul. My vote doesn't mean squat because Obama couldn't beat Hugo Chavez in my state – we hold Obama in contempt and held the phony bastard in contempt four years ago. We knew a monumental phony when we saw one. They try to blame it on racism? Total B.S. – we put the first black Republican in Congress eighteen years ago in J.C. Watts.
But your vote and your wife's vote is in a swing state – and it will be close. You sure you want to risk Obama operating another four years, this time without threat of reelection? You think he's been awful the last four years? He'd be a whole lot worse without reelection threat. The man is a monster who would walk all over the Constitution given the opportunity. You know that.
Romney, truth be known, is probably a lot closer to you than he is to me.
Thank about man. Medicare is close to going under. You rather have Paul Ryan listening to doctors or Joe Biden and Valerie Jarrett. You said you had a kid hoping to go to med school. My daughter is already there. Think of the damage Obamacare is going to do if not revoked.
The WSJ rips Obama's excuses for the debt apart, line by line – and almost by accident, screws Rutherford's apologies for Obama's failures into the dust too…
The 10% President: The annotated Obama: How 90% of the deficit becomes somebody else's fault.
You specifically mentioned Fast & Furious started under the Bush Administration. I just provided a link from a sympathetic liberal site proving you wrong.
That you can't accept that your statement wrong, is only one more indicator you're not truthful and very loose with the facts.
How do we know Obama has Israel's back? His message is muddled at best, and most Israeli's certainly don't believe this. It looks like some American secular Jews are beginning not to believe it either.
Obama has in no certain order declared Israel must move back to the 1967 demarcation lines, before recanting after a national outcry.
Obama stated just yesterday Israel, that Israel is "one" of our closest allies in the middle east? Who are the others?
Obama condemned Israel intervening in the flotilla, after the flotilla boarded by Israeli soldiers crossed illegally into Israel waters, two guards were then beaten with rods and anchors on the "peace flotilla."
Obama has had time to entertain "The View" voters, but not meet with Netanyahu at the U.N. – or any other foreign dignitary for that matter.
Obama opposed even stronger sanctions against Iran passed with the overwhelming support of both houses of Congress.
Under the Obama Adm, for the first time the US has systematically leaked Israel's most closely guarded secrets to the media.
Obama and his fellow Democrats first left out God and Jerusalem in the Dimocratic Convention platform, before recanting.
This is just a partial list of grievances the last 46 months.
Well. Its official. My inlaws have moved out of our old neighborhood and out by us. My father in law's early onset Alzheimer's has pretty much rendered him a toddler. A toddler that smokes two packs a day, loves nigger jokes and hates Republicans. But a toddler nonetheless. Here is the catch. I'm the only person on the planet that seems to be able to help him. I know what he is trying to say. i get it when he is starting to get pissed. i can make him feel like he isnt crazy. i pretend the stories are new. Everyone else hates him or has no patience. Even his wife. He was a rail road guy and a high level teamster that chose whiskey and cocain for 30 years over his family. While those days are over, he has no remorse, none that I can tell anyways. No redeeming qualities outside of vile jokes that he can't finish anymore. The other day he and my three year old son were behaving the exact same way over a stray cat that walked on the porch. Same laugh. I feel like Charon the boatman.
Hey Rabbit. Being it was you that conned me into coming into Rutherford's blog, we could have a damn good time here taking Rutherford's promises at Chen's against Obama's actual performance. It's a hoot.
Talk about a textbook case of current cognitive dissonance. Sad part is, Rutherford was a more sound debater four years ago, actually somewhat fun, and not the least bit bitter. He was a gracious winner.
Of all the people on this blog most damaged by Obama, it is ironic that I find Rutherford the most damaged of all. Give Satan his due. You've changed, Mr. Rutherford. And certainly not for the better. Your posts were so much better back then.
I found this. I lit this one sorry sack of crap up one night at Chen's blog and he went off like a Roman Candle. I'd like to think I literally shut down the mofo's worthless blog, because to the best of my knowledge, he left shortly thereafter, never to return. :smile: Those were the good, old days.
Get this when Rutherford still like me:
MJ, I feel for you man but quite frankly, I've found Tex's recent tone somewhat reserved comparatively speaking. He's one tough customer but you have to just hold your nose, shovel through the manure and pull out the actual POINT he's making. And I will say (as I think I said in an earlier thread) when the insult level decreases a bit, Tex is quite the sound debater. No pander here Tex … just the truth as I see it, even though I know my opinion means nothing to you.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I think the love has gone out of our relationship. You can thank Obama for that. :wink:
Ha ha. Yeah. Rutherford the blogger was ruined by Obama. He's like Jay Carney. Hope isnt even part of the equation any more. Just partisan drivel and expediency. Imagine what another 4 years will do to him.
re: DR @ 197. My mother- and father-in-law are in their eighties; the mom was never the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree, but she is in early-mid Alzheimer's; the Dad very early. He still beats me and my wife at Scrabble, LOL.
My wife and her family are beside themselves about Mom's and Dad's mental decline; I just take it in stride. In WV there are primarily old people; I grew up around folks in their declining years. All the young people have, and do, move out ASAP, since there have been very few jobs there since the 'fifties, leaving just old folks behind.
We never called it Alzheimer's; it's just "getting old." I always tell my wife to just listen to the stories and comment as if she had never heard them before, but she has the hardest time not saying, "Mom, you told me that three times." I don't think she realizes how much it means to just have them around. I lost my Dad in 1979 – my God, what is that, 33 years ago? My Mom died in 1995; I would surely like to hear some of their old stories about a hundred more times.
I'm sorry for what rabbit's family and Pfessors have endured. My parents stayed with us for the last two years of their lives. Since they lived next to us on the same farmstead, they were never really separated from their home.
My mother didn't have Alzheimers, but congestive heart failure made her mental status unpredictable. Sometimes, she was a teen- ager again.My mother was a good musician who played by ear. She had not played her accordian for years, and suddenly, she wanted it.
I hunted in her closets until I found it and she spent a day playing her accordian, as I video taped her. Then, she lost interest in it. A week later,she was dead. My father died at 95, and he was sharp to the end.
Our lawyer was a family friend. After my father died he said "you occupy a lonely position. You have now stepped to the head of the line."
Rutherford wrote he wonders what happened to people who quit posting. It is why I try to tell you if I will be gone. I will be someday. I am one person who can leave the Hotel California and have done so before. H&M for example.
Obama appeared on the View without meeting any of the leaders speaking at the UN because he knows it would look bad after he snubbed Bibi.His campaign is more important to him than diplomatic inititives.
Not meeting world leaders face to face, especially Netanyhoo after he spoke of war is the same as Obama's not attending security briefings. Face to face contact accomplishes things printed words and phone calls do not.
Just heard President Obama address the UN; I think it was his best speech to date.
This for you Rutherford, be prepared for all the whimpering. http://juanitajean.com/2012/09/25/the-ladies-did-not-need-a-scientific-study-to-prove-this-honey-we-knew-this/
Just heard President Obama address the UN; I think it was his best speech to date.
Willfully ignorant or willfully dishonest.
Enough said…
I can't help but suspect that "Newt" was interviewed for this program.
R observed Herbert Spencer's, "The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly, is to fill the world with fools."
So, tell me, Rutherford – why does the two-lane highway work so well? After all, you have automobiles whizzing past each other in opposite directions with combined speeds of about 110mph, carrying twenty gallons of a highly explosive liquid. Why does such a seemingly-unsafe system work almost perfectly?
It works because the penalty for crossing the centerline is instant, reliable and severe. Which is to say, the system is self-correcting and robust.
Now, why does the welfare-mom system not work? Because the penalty for irresponsibility is ……… a check.
We have shielded these girls and boys from the effects of their folly; what do we get? We get exactly what you see – more just like them.
221, are you serious, Rutherford? A victory for Romney is victory for those who hate the poor?
By your reasoning, Obama hates me because I belong to the middle Class. I have documented his association and possible membership in the socialist New Party and his comments about redistribution. Why would I vote for a man who will steal money I earned and give it to poor people, deserving though they might be, who did not earn my money?
As we continue your logic, Democrats want to keep it easy to vote fraudulently as over a thousand did in Minnesota because they care more about winning than fairness.
You say our values are screwed up. I don't have to tell you how it came to be do I?
Poverty, except for the abject variety is relative. Ukraine, for instance has a hard-working, well educated population which works very hard to live a semblance of the Middle Class life.
The official average income is estimated to be equivalent to $185 per month. The official poverty rate is $117,00 per month. 20% of city dwellers and %37 of rural and village families live below the poverty line.
The Ukrainians make up for their relative poverty by working as many extra jobs as their physical limits will tolerate. They also use their cars as unofficial taxis. Many city people own country cottages and they raise large gardens to sustain themselves.One reason Ukrainian women are known as some of the most beautiful in the world is that they are overworked.
Most of the extra income is hidden, and paid and spent as cash. Thus, no one really knows how much the average Ukrainian earns.
The average family may have four generations living under the same roof. An actual family sited has a grandmother who owns the house but her pension is too small for her to pay the bills. Her son and his wife as well as their daughter cannot afford to rent or buy their own home. A sixteen year old boy plans to attend college after he graduates from high school Five of the family members hold MA degrees.
They have a country daca where they grow a large garden and harvest fruit which they can.
" They cannot afford to buy another apartment or a house. Even if they could manage to do it, they would be faced with other additional expenses. For example, if the older lady we talked about were to live alone, she could not be able to make house payments and to buy food,because her pension is not big enough to pay for both."
This could be our future. By your logic in 221, Obama would probably be fine with it.
My wife and I don't own I phones, nor do we plan to.
Admit it. You'll probably kill yourself if Bongo should lose. It's keeping you up at night. I've never read a more pitiful man. You're literally coming unhinged. Your life rides on the outcome.
First it was Palin, the Michelle Bachmann, now Ann Romney. Next, it will be Ryan's wife. I can only surmise it is insane jealousy. :grin:
I don't know what your problem is. Frankly, I don't care either. You were tolerable when Obama was King. Now that he's washed up, you can't live with yourself if he should lose or something.
Poor people require a photo ID for government assistance. Poor people require a photo ID to get a loan shark loan. Poor people have to take a photo ID to obtain their food stamps in every state I'm aware.
This voter ID thing is simple common sense. And the only reason, and I mean the only reason you are against it, is the herd mentality and you know your side cheats, lies and steals and has for years. Blacks are the absolute worst and everybody knows it.
One day, I guarantee you voter ID will be the law of the nation. Until then, you can help ACORN stuff the ballot box in this election.
And you wonder why I don't trust you as a person?
So voter fraud is a non existent problem, hey old pal.
Well, why don't you explain this one to me then…and I guarantee you this is happening all the time.
If you're not capable of getting a photo ID, and again I remind you that you need them for your food stamp pickup, you're not worthy to cast a vote and you shouldn't be voting.
You ought to be ashamed for covering for dishonesty, Rutherford. I never thought you would sink this low.
One is too many.
Michele Obama said that with her husband's nomination she was at last proud of this country. It may not have been angry, but it was insulting.
American Thinker printed a headline "Can Michele Obama's Media Blitz erase her 'angry black woman" image?'She has been on a charm offensive to counterbalance the previous attitude she has mostly privately displayed.
The Washington Post is a poor source about Michele's disposition. Its staff is rooting for her to continue as first lady.
I'm not criticizing either woman. As we know they occupy difficult positions. I do believe you are being unfair to Mrs. Romney without acknowledging Mrs.Obama's slips.
oh, I am so glad she is alright–that is wonderful news! Hope that you and she feel better soon from the colds.
I just read your post about your nephew's wife. So sorry about their troubles. And I believe that there should be care for people like them. No, I am not a Democrat!! But I think that a society does need to provide for those who, through no fault of their own, are at such risk.
That is a heart-rending story about your nephew's wife, Rutherford.
We know people around here with similar emergencies. I don't know where your nephew and his wife live, so I have no specific suggestions.
Iowa Concern is a hot line which offers suggestions for emotional problems and gives legal advice. It probably gives advice for people like your nephew's wife. Your state probably has something similar. Iowa concern might even be able to give you some leads.
Breast and Cervical Cancer Treatment Program provides treatment for eligible low-income California residents. The program offers treatment for the duration of the illness.
These are not in your area, but they might have some information. Other organizations are probably in your state.
Caring.com last updated on August 21, 2012 has a heading How can I pay for cancer treatment with no insurance? Approximately 300 hospitals provide some treatment to indigent people under the Hill-Burton Hospital Program. 800 422 6237 or http://www.cancer.gov will provide more information and help.
Other resources are mandated under the Breast and cervical Cancer Treatment Act of 2000. The law extended Medicaid coverage for women who have been screened and diagnosed through the National Breast and cervical cancer early detection program in cooperating states. Go to http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/nbccedp/index.htm or call 888 842 6355.
Tex, Pfessor and others are much more knowlegable than I. I do know raffles and pancake feeds and other benefits that rely on the kindness of strangers are the way to go. However, researching agencies of medical help are essential. If one can't help, maybe it knows who can.
Omaha, I think has a non-profit association of medical people who provide medical care at a low cost. Maybe something like it is near you. Some hospitals will offer regular payment terms, like paying off a new car.,
Please let us know what happens,.
James: you are a kind and big-hearted man.
Hi Emily.
I don't think I can agree with you about Mrs. Romney, Rutherford. I think that it has to be very hard to campaign, to always be "on" and to have you and your family insulted and joked about. Of the whole campaign, the press has seized on a very few moments and I don't think that gives a fair impression. Now, I also felt that the press and people were unfair to Mrs. Obama. As for worst candidate's wife…I guess I would agree that Mrs. Kerry was not very likeable. Even though she could be quite crabby, Barbara Bush was sharp and funny. And Laura Bush was lovely. But what a thankless position to be in!
Rutherford, people behave the same in the same situations. Boehner was under pressure from the Tea Party, many of whom wanted no taxes. Obama behaved like my wife.
Obama blundered and could have had a deal. I support my version with my wife's first attempt at bargaining and with comments from Europeans who say Obama has little personal rapour. He enters a country and expects his speeches will do the work of personal relationships.
Congresspeople have said the same about him here. He has offered little contact with the Republicans, and that hurts. Obama is no LBJ.
I see no difference between Obama's experience and my wife's first bargaining endeavor in Piza, Italy. Everything progressed with give and take until my wife got bloody minded and refused to budge.The merchant turned away in disgust.
Obama was like my wife that day. He blew it and bears the primary blame.
"We never called it Alzheimer's; it's just "getting old" -pfessor
Pfessor….can you believe my father in law was diagnosed with Alzheimer's at 57? I can't remember if he turns 60 this year or if he did last year (maybe I have it too). In that short span of time he has already regressed to essentially being a child.
Oh God…."you people" has made a return.
Rutherford, I saw nothing racial in Michele's comment. I saw an ideologue who thought this country was too conservative. As I wrote, I found several sites describing Michele as angry at times.
As Emily wrote, we judge first ladies and wannabes too harshly. They are in the public eye less from choice than from their spouses' ambitions. We are not electing the wives.
Rabbit: That is very sad. I am sorry.
If I had been Ann Romney I would have said "no more tax returns for you bastards." She didn't sound especially angry to me.
I called one of our representatives an educated fool at a public meeting, and I told a man at another meeting he was a trogodlite for endorsing teaching creationism in schools.
And you think Ann Romney was nasty?
Yes it is sad, rabbit. Emily, you add class to this site.
DR – When I was in med school, the synonym for Alzheimer's was "presenile dementia." Implicit in that definition was the idea that dementia was a normal accompaniment to senility; dementia had to be unexpected – early – to be considered Alzheimer's. Now anybody who is senile has Alzheimer's, no matter the age.
Rutherford – I have been in the medical business a long time, and I have watched the changes since I was a small boy.
IMHO, the reason medicine is expensive is *precisely* because the government is in it. Think about it for a minute. When a corporation invests, it invests carefully and wisely, for – unlike Spencer's fools – the corp lives and dies by its decisions.
Not so the govt. It has earned NONE of the money it spends; it just confiscates it by force, therefore it is not careful with how it is spent. It distributes those dollars by some unknown algorithm,
and supply/demand takes over – the easy availability of wads of cash causes prices to go up. The govt then looks at the prices – fruits of its own policies – and says, "Prices are too high; you need more government to lower them."
Of course, one of two things will happen. If they are not serious, prices continue to rise. If they are serious, there are shortages of the product (medical care).
We are about to enter the second scenario. Count on it. Come see me in ten years; I will either be taking care of the Amish on barter, or I will be in Costa Rica. As for America: "I 'ope you liked your drink," sez Gunga Din.
Just for comparison: I just bought in the open international market a carburetor for my Honda lawn mower. Eighteen bucks, delivered to my door.
Medicine needs to be overhauled from the ground up, Rutherford, but the first process is to get the government out of it, so prices can assume a normal value. That ain't gonna happen…
#259 James you did good! Rutherford, I believe every hospital has a social worker, who could direct your nephew's wife to the proper agency. I hope this helps, since I doubt she wants to be uprooted to Omaha. And I also hope her cancer was caught early. Glad your wife is better.
Thanks Newt and also for mentioning social workers I forgot them. Yes there is probably something like an Omaha service closer to home.
Pfessor, I think the bumps and booze for 30 years streight did it to him. I get the feeling Alziemers is kind of an umbrella term for host of different kind of dementia. Am I wrong?
Rutherford, once again you said voter fraud is none existent. I just proved beyond a shadow of a doubt not only is voter fraud existent, it exists for Dimocratic political candidates too. It doesn't just exist, it's ubiquitous.
Let me be clear. You're as dishonest as your useful idiot View President, your party, and the media and you'll do or say anything to win. Frankly, you're only use to provide a new thread. Otherwise, your Newt with a penis.
The fact you're too ignorant to know America is teetering economically is telling. You're fucking Harlem, pal. Harlem. If we got to talking about economics, Howard Stern should be interviewing you and we'd all be laughing at how dumb you are for the world to see. Does the fact Obama a Mormon bother you, Rutherford?
These debt downgrades you keep poo pooing? US federal debt is approaching its highest level since the formation of the federal government in 1789 (other than during WWII and its immediate aftermath). We didn't have that little safeguard in 1940. When Asia quits buying, goodbye sweetheart.
Here's another little diddy you ought to remember. That government you trust? In the late 1960's, the government estimated that Medicare expenses would grow by 7 times by 1990); they grew by 70 times instead. What can't go on forever, won't.
I could go on and on trying to demonstrate how phenomenally uninformed you are to a crowd that already knows as much, that you have absolutely no idea its implications, and what is it predicting future tense.
But then again, you're the one who didn't learn anything from 9/11 either. Go back to masturbating to the View.
understand it to be a form of dementia. </blockquote?
That's pretty much what I was taught, Poolman.
When somewhat is diagnosed with Alzheimer's, it is always probable. The only way to make a definitive diagnosis of Alzheimer's is with brain tissue, unless something has changed the past few years.
The way they taught it in medical school is: dementia is a symptom, and AD is the probable cause.
DR – "Pfessor, I think the bumps and booze for 30 years streight did it to him. I get the feeling Alziemers is kind of an umbrella term for host of different kind of dementia. Am I wrong?"
Yep. Alzheimer's is a very specific disease process according to the way we were taught. It is characterized at autopsy by "neurofibrillary tangles" and "amyloid plaques" in the brain tissue. It is not just brain atrophy, as occurs with alcohol abuse and multiple whacks to the head (boxers, bar-fighters, etc). The cause is unknown – "idiopathic." My data is pretty old. Since there is no way to diagnose it by X-ray or by MRI, we don't do much with it. My understanding is that the Dx is made at autopsy only.
Since my brain is my second-favorite organ, real Alzheimer's is a horrifying thought. They say it doesn't matter, since you don't know you are nuts, but those folks really don't seem to be having all that good of a time.
I have invented a cure for Alzheimer's in a young person, but you have to be a pilot. It's called a "ground loop." It is a loop in which a portion of the arc intersects the ground.
Tex @ 280. re: dishonesty. That word gets thrown around a lot. I am baffled by some of Rutherford's positions and often wonder what kinds of life experiences lead someone to those POVs, but there is no reason that I have ever seen to say that he does not believe every word of it.
You're welcome Rutherford. As for the unintentional laugh. you deserve to chuckle once in a while.
My mother didn't have Alzheimers, but she might as well have had. Congestive heart failure robbed blood from her brain, and she slowly entered another world except for occasional lapses to the present.
After she died. I found a note she had written to herself. "I'm getting so forgetful lately. I MUST try harder to remember with notes. I'm so afraid." She had tried to cross out the last sentence, but it was still clearly readable. At some point in the disease, they know.
Rutherford, you joked that Sarah Palin should be honored because Juiet ? won an Emmy.
Do you remember when I proved through documentation and logic that Game Changer was a hit piece? A critic reviewing the Emmy show wrote that though he is a liberal he knows that movie was a hatchet job, and that is one reason it won an Emmy.
I also offered proof that Al Frankin was elected in part due to over a thousand inelligable voters, some of whom are now in jail.
When I was in the service, I bought Thunderbird for a friend because he was under age. Why did storekeepers ask for my ID? Couldn't they have just trusted me?
Some of my stories were included in a local history published in North Carolina.
I wrote how I wanted to ask a girl to the college Christmas party. I knew she took accelerated English,so I waited outside of the classroom for an hour. She wasn't there, so I waited another hour. Three hours later,she walked out of the classroom, and I pretended I had accidently been there.
I asked if she would attend the party with me. She said "yes" Then, asked "what's your name, and where do you live?" We got married five years later because she probably thought I needed a keeper.
Here's where you and your enchantment with Obama enter the story,, Rutherford.My story is a fine example of the "AUDACITY OF HOPE"
there is no reason that I have ever seen to say that he does not believe every word of it.
Joseph Goebbels might have believed every word of it too. But I doubt it.
But I don't know how you come to that conclusion when he's been corrected at least ten times on numerous points with immutable proof, and he still repeats the same falsehoods time after time.
So that leaves only two possibilities: (1) He's dishonest; (2) He's unteachable. :neutral:
Take your pick.
Many liberals and conservatives are ignorant and their low information level allows them to be swayed
Rutherford and some others who post here are Clovis Firsters. All of the evidence supported the hypthosis that the oldest found spear points settled the story of when the first Americans arrived.As Al Gore said about human caused global warming, the science was settled.
The science is settled for folks like Rutherford. Contradictory evidence which showed people were here for much longer than the Clovis point suggested and that some early settlers might have been Europeans caused an uproar and accusations of planted evidence/. Scientists had invested so much of their career and psychic energy in what was to them self-evident they couldn.t accept the new information.
In other words, Clovis Firsters couldn,t handle the truth.
CIA agents said the administration knew within 24 hours that the Egyptian and Libyan attacks were planned while the administration still blamed a bad viideo.
Poolman and I agreed at the time it was sad that we must trust foreign governments and reporters before our own government, and we were right.
My first comment on this thread has proven to be correct.
The press has been quiet because Obama is not Bush. Someone should hit them up side the head with a Clovis Point.
I continue go be busy and only have a moment. However, in light that Obama knew about the Bengali threat, R do hour still think he has been great on FP? Next time you talk to Huck, ask him how wonderful this Arab Spring is…
#310 Rutherford, now you sound naive. Obama knows it takes more than a good speech to solve world problems.
Rutherford, I have been active with four blogs and message boards since 2004. i have abruptly left when my interest leaves.
One of the quirks of my service days is that over time, I have a need to be alone. Its hard to do in real life, but after two to seven years, I get tired, and move on.
Thanks for the complement. I like you too, and as hard as it may be to believe, I like everyone here.
Rutherford, 310 is right on, You couldn't have written more accurately. I have written virtually the same thing here. You are not naive in this case.
Newt, Obama surely knows it takes more than a good speech, but after he leaves the stage he lets others do the hard work.
, Thor, Poolman can speak for himself, but we seemed to agree on what happened. Its true the mostly foreign press, Libya, and Egypt quickly said it was an attack, not a spontaneous reaction to a video.
However,the administration peddled the emotional meme for over a week. Sec Rice said it on Fox and other shows. Rutherford wrote that she made him roll his eyes.
CIA agents now say the administration knew twenty four hours later, so why did they repeat the lie? Either they knew and wanted to hide the truth or they were hopelessly out of touch.
Romney was right to criticize the embassy's weak appology, and I think Obama disavowed it later.
That is my beef with how the administration handed news of the attack.
Re pfessor
By bumps I meant lines of cocaine.
Noah probably got arrested for fucking with people's cars.
" The dude sounds unique … loves ni**er jokes AND hates Republicans." -R
Oh how very little you know of the old school, Irish, unionized Democrat………
My wife is from the same suburb I am. We got the hell out of there a while ago. My in laws have now followed us to where we live now.
Damn liberals are losers. Can't even produce the same ID they use to get food stamps. What an ignorant bunch of hicks.
What gives with the "you just hate [the poor, Obama, blacks blah, blah, bah]." Don't you realize these are meaningless and easily inverted to apply to all of your comments? Why you think this is persuasive escapes me but sure confirms how much the victim angle never gets tired for the left.
There is no way. Repeat. No way a guy like poolman, well versed in the trades, should ever be on food stamps. I don't care how bad the economy is at the time. You can make enough to buy beans and rice, a healthy and perfectly sustainable meal. Pathetic.
Big win for the Tigers. Big fucking win.
Rutherford, we own a regular cell phone. It would let us text if we wanted to, and it will take pictures and videos,You are probably right about its being tracked even if it isn't smart.
You were being ridiculous when you wrote Romney hates poor people, so I decided to match you with silliness of my own. Your reasoning lets me say Obama hates rich people. I'm not rich, so I substituted middle class to apply to me.
The attitude about giving money to poor people who don't deserve it was mine overstated to mystify you. Rabbit wrote "inverted" That's what I did and not for the first time.
James, I wrote inverted. The "hate" device is so simplistic I honestly don't get it. As I said, it has some kind of appeal to a particular mindset, i.e. one that believes it possess a superior form of compassion and morality, that is quite telling.
Truth is R, there are welfare queens and large segments of society in which welfare and food stamps are a way of life. It's a problem that has no solution in denying that it exists.
Sorry ElTigre.
If poor elderly city dwellers can't leave their homes to get IDs, how do they buy groceries, clothing, or other necessities? Do all of their doctors make house calls? Surely such shut ins could prove their identities to one of their many product-laden visitors and the visitors could make IDs for them.
A failed Nebraska bill provided for the government's paying for IDs if one was too poor.
Poolman is right. We were on the dole during the farm recession with farm disaster and price support payments. We could have survived without them, since my wife was teaching, but more of our neighbors than did would have lost their land,
I read a Nice Deb blog about liberals altering polls to discourage conservatives, and in the comments was a familiar handle. YEAH TEX TAYlOR!!
Damn R. Was what he said rhetorically proximate to promoting poverty? :roll:
"How many woke up this morning and said 'I'd like to be poor today?"
Alot R. They might not say it aloud. But I assure you, there are many, many, many that are poor by choice and prefer it that way. I have plenty of first had observations/accounts but most are no different than the examples shown on those magazine-type programs done on the fate of a majority of lottery winners. And it isn't just a lack of sophistication as much a socialized behavior in most all instances.
Ever watch that PBS underground cult documentary about Jessco the Dancin' Outlaw? You should. If you haven't, there's not enough space her to set it out — but I have personally met the family members in the film and can tell you they in effect wake up saying they'd like to be poor.
So, quit being a hater R. The left's allegations of coded language is a really transparent device to quash frank dialogue, particularly ones that the expose indefensible positions.
R, you forgot to add a "bwahahahahahahahahahahah" to your 347.
Ever wonder how and why liberal and conservative media outlets have differing poll results that almost universally support their candidate? Although that's not say all the polling showing an Obama advantage is wildly inaccurate (my gut tells me there's something wrong with what's being reported), but it's not coincidence either. Deny it all you want, I personally hope you keep cheering the polls you like as loudly as possible — for a reason.
'Now, why does the welfare-mom system not work? Because the penalty for irresponsibility is ……… a check.'
"Bad assumption PF and again part of this new game in America of "hate the poor". Why do you assume irresponsibility? What about the working poor? "
I think your response says more about you than it does me, R. The check I am referring to is in payment for illegitimate birth, not being poor – as is the reference to irresponsibility. If you are unmarried and get preggers today, you get a check. That is a perverse incentive for irresponsiblilty. Remember the stats about unwed motherhood in Europe vs. America? We created this monster – simply by subsidizing this particular kind of irresponsibility.
I certainly don't hate the poor. I grew up poor, played with poor kids, worked in the mines to go to college. But it's like what Jerry Clower said about the seven-year's-itch: it's no sin to GET it; it's a sin to KEEP it. What I learned from my family is that poor is a state of mind. We never had much, but we were never POOR, if that makes any sense. Nobody stopped working long enough to whine about their station in life. We worked, got ahead, and we all did just fine.
The gub'ment has taken away all incentive for poor folks to pull themselves up, telling them they are poor, victims, downtrodden – and most importantly – incapable of doing anything about it.
No, the problem nowadays is not a poverty of money; it's a poverty of spirit – all encouraged and funded by your government.
poolman@333. Very brave of you to admit that in this den of wolves.
I, too, used food stamps for about six months when I was in med school. Couldn't work in the summers, since we did classes year 'round. It was very, very helpful.
Rutherford, you listen to Michael Savage? Our son says he is either a genius or insane, and on most days, it is hard to tell the difference. He is entertaining.
I think the Democrats' attempt to portray the Republicans as waging a war on women prompted Romney advisers to put Ann out front to show that Romney likes women and is a great guy.
I know poor people. Most are there because of bad decisions or bad luck.I don't know if it applies elsewhere, but it certainly does here. North Omaha has a high crime and gang rate. The most popular family comment about a dead gang member is "He was just beginning to turn his life around."
Our three churches operate a food bank. My wife works there twice a week, and we donate money and things we buy at thrift stores. They need incentives for job training and help at managing their lives. They don't need permanent aid disconnected with any serious effort to reorganize their lives and to look for jobs.
Andy Williams died yesterday. He was born in Wall Lake, Iowa, and he he often returned home.
We could have collected food stamps during the farm recession, but it would have shamed us. Instead, I fixed my boots with duct tape and bought a $400 pickup with no motor mounts. I wired the engine in place. Duct tape held shut the passenger door of the car my wife drove to school. Our daughter wanted a Cabbage Patch doll, but she didn't get one until she graduated from high school.
My wife could put together an outfit costing a dollar from clothes she bought at the Salvation Army. and other places.
We wore coats in the house so because to save fuel, we kept the temperature at 55 degrees.
Our children walked three miles to school, each morning, and it was uphill all the way. It was still uphill when they walked home. Ha!
Our in laws did go on welfare. They served commodity cheese at picnics It was some of the best cheese I ever ate.
I'm an officially disabled veteran but too minor to get money I should claim it is worse and maybe I could get a government check too.
Thor asked what our beef is with Obama and the attack on the Libyan counsolate. The Washington Times writer Glenn Kessler wrote that Obama lied for political reasons. His Secretary of State lied to Congress, and the ambassidor to the UN lied on national television,.
If Obama was a Republican, you can bet the press would be talking about this travesty as loudly as they did about Watergate.
A few days ago, a New York Times writer defended the concept of death panels in Obama care because rationing is the only to control expenses. Obama himself once told a reporter that maybe it is better to give a very sick or old person a pain pill,
Sarah Palin was right.
@365. You know I'm no fan of Palin, but damned straight she was right about the death panels.
I think a lot about R's POV. I don't often encounter thinking libs – or thinking right-wingers, for that matter. It seems that we all look at everything through a filter of sorts that colors every thought with that POV. Now if I could just turn my own filter off…
I wish to apologize to Alfie for losing my temper and being snotty with him. Mea culpa.
I just learned a new acquaintance's husband works for Bain Capitol, she almost didn't want to tell me. I am cool with it, a job is a job. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/1985-romney-bain-harvest-firms-profits-video
"You really really really believe that? How are you defining poor Tigre?"
Yes, I really, really, really do. I guess I hate the poor?
R, pick your battles. I am defining it the same way you did in the comment I was responding to. Those that qualify for and receive long-term/lifetime government assistance by choice. The ones that proved to you that PF "hates the poor."
No, the documentary was not a right wing anything. In fact it portrayed folks from WV that guys like PF are probably familiar with but do in fact represent the depths of poverty — and not the urban recipients you used to support your second accusation of racism.
I am still trying to get your "you must hate the ___" b.s.
"I have no quibble with that. My quibble is with the suggestion the polling itself is deliberately rigged in some sinister conspiratorial way."
I don't know what you're point is. Mine was that poll results are manipulated and for a reason. That is conspiratorial becuase it's concerted and intended to provoke a reaction. What's yours? A collective conspiracy is absurd? I already mentioned that.
"Does the documentary in question say that the hillbilly (whose name I've ALREADY forgotten) was getting welfare?"
Yes, and if the first documentary say so, later media did. And as I said, I met the family in and Jessco himself.
But that is besides the point i was making which was simple: some do choose to be poor. For many, welfare and entitlements are a way of life.
Do you remember what YOU said? Do you remember all that I said?
Rutherford, I believe on disability, you are entitled to earn a certain amount of income without penalty. It would be easy enough to find out ahead of time.
#421, said and done. Actually I am shocked you haven't looked into it.
Sorry, I walked away from my computer and then realized I didn't give you the link. A phone call or a visit will, of course, give you more information.
"Your dismissive attitude toward Jesco is only one step up the ladder from passing judgment on the mentally retarded."
R, I am recovering from surgery I had yesterday and I am in a considerable amount of pain. You're back to your old tricks and it's making me angry. Since my fuse is short, I won't bother feeding the monster any more. But do me a fucking favor would ya? Try following along with my overall point rather than just isolating one statement to the exclusion of everything else, i.e. context.
I offered an observation of the Jessco primarily because and he's not black, a large part of your insulting "you hate" comment. He occurred to me as an example not because I pity or loathe the guy (or his family). He's the pathetic "hillbilly" that you clearly hate. It was also that your comment followed a conversation I had with a black liberal friend in federal law enforcement that had to go into remote areas of Appalachia. He grew up inner city (DC) and said (in so many words) that he believed blacks had a near monopoly on poverty until he saw what real poverty looked like — and it wasn't black. It was an eye opener for him. Not me. That's all. Nothing heavy.
Jessco is a counter image to the ones you rely on for your silly accusations. Nothing more. Not some kind of shining example of why welfare or other programs should not exist or why the poor are inferior losers or whatever you're trying to stretch it to mean. You already know I have plenty of contact with the urban black communities you wish to treat like children.
R, at the moment, I don't have tolerance for another attempt to challenge what I've said without understanding it. So you win. Conservatives are haters of everyone that's not like them and no one chooses (wants) to be poor — whatever that means in America. :roll:
R, arguing with you makes me feel like the woman on the left:
yes, Rutherford, Andy Williams seemed to be a good man. He was from a few counties away from my home, and when he visited Omaha, he mentioned the Osmonds. He sang Moon River for the mother of the interviewer.
One of the biggest scandals of his life was when his French model wife Claudine Langay SP shot and killed her lover. Andy publiclly defended her and said she was a good person. The shooting was later ruled an accident.
Andy Williams was the first I heard tell this joke. A couple filed for divorce. The official noted that they were both over 100. "Why couldn't you work things out after all of this time?" "We decided to wait until the children died."
El Tigre, I hope you feel better soon.
I've traveled through Applelachia, and the the living conditions are truly rural Lithuanian. Another depressing place is the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota.
thor, the reaction to the attack was not uncordinated. The administration was either caught off guard in their ignorance or they tried to change the narrative. The Fox interviewer didn't sharply call Rice on her interpretation, though the Sunday Panel afterward doubted her story.
Had Obama been Bush the press would have unmercifially attacked his role in the scandal. As its is, the press worried more about Romney's 47 comment, and there is no scandal..
Mitt was unpolitic because he thought he was speaking privately, but he was right. Many, not all of the 47 percent as so dependent on the government their interest lies in the status quo. Moreover, many, not all are so ignorant they can hardly find their shoes in the morning. They wouldn't vote Republican unless you paid them. They buy Obama's lies when he tells them.
Obama is relying on the stupid vote to re hire, him as he runs against himself. I think he has a good chance of winning this election. The debates may change the dynamic.
ET noted: "But that is besides the point i was making which was simple: some do choose to be poor. For many, welfare and entitlements are a way of life."
As you know, I grew up right in the middle of "Appalachia." I almost hate to weigh in on this, but I think I may have some insight. And I am just speaking about Hillbillies, whom I know very well.
No, nobody wants to be poor or chooses to be that way If They Have Any Choice. Everybody wants a new car, a nice house and good clothes for their kids. Everybody. But the second part of that is, They Don't Know How Not To Be Poor – it is, indeed a way of life. But saying it is a way of life implies they like it; they do not, it's just the only life they know, Yes, they hear that you can do better, and occasionally they even KNOW somebody who has, but it never occurs to them that those things are open to THEM.
I am now an outsider – a Martian – hell, I could be A New Yorker! – even though I grew up there and am always very careful to spit, cuss, tease the old boys, dig graves, and NEVER criticize anybody to their face. It is unthinkable that a boy from the hollers could be a Big Doctor. Unthinkable.
But you are wrong too, Rutherford, in thinking that the solution lies outside these people – that they are victims of circumstance over which they have no control. In a way that is true, and it is not. Their poverty comes from their inabilities, but those inabilities come from poor schools, low standards, an extremely corrupt WV government that lets the coal companies rape the land but provide no long-term plans for the people.
The solution must come from within – just like black folks' solutions. But most critically, they both need real leaders – well-educated, charismatic, and focused on straightening out the system. And then the people themselves have to be straightened out. They must throw off that mantle of victimhood, stand up straight and say By God we intend to have a good life. They need to get good educations – if it means working in the mines, so be it. They need to question the politicians carefully and field good candidates of their own. They need to become immune to the do-gooders and, in blacks' case, the racial ambulance-chasers like Sharpton, et al who get rich by fanning the fires and telling them how much they are downtrodden.
No, R, more gub'ment is NOT what they need. They are not children; they are men and women – with the same capabilities as everybody else – and they need to be treated that way.
And that means accepting their rights – AND RESPONSIBILITIES.
Apologize for the length. Now you guys are sorry you brought it up.
421 Newt is probably right about disability.
That list of pension funds includes my wife's Iowa's Public Employees Retirement System since she just retired from teaching.
Yep! It's Karl Rove we should be frightened of!!! More Solyndra!!!
I know! I know! Anybody this efficient should be in charge of health care!
Obamacare 2015:
We don't do shots on the weekends, and stitches are administered M-W-F. No physician on site – please see Nurse Ratched in office 313. Remember to take a number.
Poolman, you would have been crazy not to take unemployment. That's another wage suppressor your employee has to fork out for those very reasons. Indirectly, you did pay for that. Like not taking an earned benefit.
I never had a problem with people drawing unemployment for 12-36 weeks when the employers were paying for it. I had a big problem when government started extending it to 99 weeks and we had to start paying for it.
PF, I disagree completely and can speak from personal experience too.
I have seen first hand "poor" folks that are truly unhappy with the responsibility and expectations that come with acquisition of wealth. I have watched those that would be classified as poor find there way back to the bottom after a huge windfall and prefer it that way. And yes, I am talking about something different from "not knowing how to handle wealth." I am talking preference.
My completely fried friend Jessco handled his new found "wealth" like a cat handles a trip to the vet. I am not referring to earned wealth like yours. The desire to change the status quo being what separates you from the type I am referring to. I am also not speaking in absolutes. However, I KNOW your statement that "nobody wants to be poor or chooses to be that way If They Have Any Choice" and "Everybody wants a new car, a nice house and good clothes for their kids" not to be true. Whatever your experiences in WV that cause you to believe what you do for "all people" directly contradicts my own experiences (urban and rural) — and there are many. And yes, I am referring not to mere ignorance but actual preference with an actual choice presented.
Thanks for the well-wishes guys.
Tigre, hope you're feeling better. Just got the notice. One of the few voices of fiscal sanity I find left on these WordPress boards. I've never met such mass ignorance – had no idea America had become this stupid. My only hope is there is a world of intelligence folk out there that doesn't bother with the internet garbage other than to pay bills and learn a hobby.
My neighbor and I were talking yesterday. He's 86 years old, and one of the most talented men I've ever met. About like us politically and self-made man. Grew up dirt poor and learned to fend for himself. His attic looks nicer than most living rooms. Could build his own house, lived on a farm, one of the most generous people I've ever met, and never went a day to college. He told me 50 years ago when he heard the word "stocks", he thought they were talking about cattle. :lol: Still grows his own vegetables and feeds the neighborhood. Really, a very nice Christian man.
We both agreed now that his wife has passed away, if we didn't have kids and in Andy's case grand kids and great grand kids, we might actually root for Obama to win – just to watch these lying thieves and mooches taught a real lesson in life when this all implodes. Might be the only way to save the country. Clean house.
The next bubble to burst. I can hardly wait – may this too happen under Obama:
"Its a foothold and helps crack open the door to greater acts of dishonesty." That describes the Obama administration.
They lied and a compliant domestic press largely cooperated because Obama miscalculated about the Middle East and terrorism. Obama is still alluding to the video as he did on The View and in his UN speech.
Now, the creator has been arrested under what I believe are suspicious circumstances. The charge of violating an order to avoid the internet is probably valid, but why now and. why is he held without bail?
Jake Carney said roughly let's be clear, this protest was a reaction to a video.That was a lie. NPR still supported the lie when they called the terrorist charges Republican conjecture.
Last night, al Quaeda soldiers attacked a prison and released prisoners as they shot their way out. Iraq is less stable than it was because Obama sent too many troops away before their time for political reasons.
Democratic and Republican Congresspeople as well as news reporters have begun to ask questions. We need someone like Cato the Elder to consistantly attack Obama's policies.
How can anyone vote for someone who blatantly lies to his own country? Maybe because he/she owns an Obamaphone.
I hope they let you have cigars too.
Well Rutherford, SS disability isn't charity.
Rutherford, I agree with newt that SS isn't charity, but i would do the same as you. I like that in you.
I don't like beer, but i can discuss Templeton Rye, Al Capone's favorite whiskey. Iowa farmers made it, and it is being sold again. I have visited Templeton and seen now it is made. That stuff tastes delicious, and it won't burn on the way down.
Thor, WMD was not a blatant lie, because most of the world's governments including Democratic leaders believed they existed. Sadams' son in law fled Iraq and told autherities Hussein had ordered the weapons dismatled to be rebuilt later.
Time Magazine wrote that Saddam lied about the WMD to protect Iraq from attack No WMD left his country vulnerable to Iran and other enemies. . Not even most of his generals knew the weapons were gone until the allied invasion was encroaching on Baghdad.
If you think Obama supports Israel as past presidents have, I have an old camera to sell you. Abe Lincoln himself used it to phptograph his girlfriend.
I wouldn't have invaded Iraq when we did, but that is another issue.
I think the anthrax scare was a side show. WMD and the goal of creating a democratic or at least less extremist bastion in the Middle East would weaken the jihadists because it would present an alternative.
Completely different. Not a blatant lie.
Sure it was. Complete cover up. You bastards can't even be honest when you're completely busted.
That WMD that didn't exist?
I'm sure that Yellow Cake Saddam was holding was to be used as batter mix. And were those chemical weapons that killed Saddam's own people? A figment.
Of course, if Bush was lying, so was Hillary Rotten, Slick Willie, John Kerry, Vladamir Putin, Madeline Not Bright, Dingy Reid, Sandy Berger, Nancy Pelosi, Jay Rockefeller, Joe Biden, Evan Bayh and 109 Democrats who voted to support the Iraq War, before they were against it…
All under "false pretense." And I'll guarantee you were right there with them. Hypocrite, liar and arm chair quarterback in denial.
More examples of Obama's shills and useful idiots working against American interests. Still too late to declare war on these traitorous, phony propagandist types?
I got me a 30/30 with a Bushnell scope just itching to have a trigger pulled from 100 yards. You wouldn't find anything but torso. We could learn a few things from the radicals in the Mid East. They seem to get a little more cooperation from the Left. I wonder why?
I collected unemployment after the military. I scammed the tax payer and worked cash jobs. Pathetic. I also qualified for financial aid for tuition despite getting the G.I. Bill. Also pathetic. I would party with that money. Hell, I've probably sucked the teet harder then poolman. But expecting me to believe an able bodied tradesman can't hustle a few dollars for food? I ain't buying it. I think more of us need to start judging, not less.
Damn, in this Bongo economy things are getting expensive.
Apr 2011 – Prostart Car Battery $77.00
Sep 2012 – Prostart Car Battery $113.00
Same identical car, same warranty, same Pep Boys. And people really don't think we are experiencing inflation? Shiiiiittttt….
That video was funny as hell, Tigre. Took me about 60 seconds to figure out what it was talking about. The lady's look on the left was priceless.
Could be, Poolman. Printing funny money doesn't seem to making life any easier, hey? But somebody is profiting big time. Unfortunately, it ain't any of us.
I'm glad you liked the joke, Rutherford. It reminds me of Andy Williams.
I don't think Ossama had anything to do with the anthrax scare. It doesn't fit the pattern. My best guess is a copy cat, but the incident seems strange. No one was captured or successfully charged, for a long time. The incident seemed amateurish.
I don't know if it accomplished its goal.
Rabbit, what are you doing to make restitution? As I see it, you stole from all of us.
Oh I stole much more then that. When I walked from my mortgage, after the value of my home was cut in half, I had an outstanding deficiency of over a hundred grand. I have to admit, Fannie Mae put up a good fight. I played hard ball on the phone for two months streight. But, they eventually settled. 2,200 dollars. The rest of you paid the rest. To be honest, I don't even think the fuck wad I was dealing with at Fannie understood how it all worked.
Newt, I'm not proud of it. But your system makes gangsters of all but the most noble of men. Turns out I wasn't that noble. I wonder how my kids will turn out? Noble might be your worst nightmare.
And Newt. I welcome the "judgement". It's a good start. There are millions upon millions of me.
I think there are far more people like Rutherford, who are reluctant to even apply for what they are due. I guess you live with yourself by saying everyone does it.
Thor….what do you get out of being a Jay Carney type turd? I don't get it. Are you trying to say that the administration didn't try to spin the true nature of the Al Queda attack in Libya?
Come on man. How do you expect me to take you seriously?
Newt, there needs to be far more people like Rutherford. So yes, keep shaming me…..and others like me.
Newt….care to guess how much Fannie Mae was bailed out?
I supported going in. That's because I was LIED to.
Let me guess… Bush did it?
Apparently, we can wait for the mushroom cloud – that's not as important as eating lunch with Hillary.
Osama is dead…so is Christopher Stevens.
I don't care what Snopes thinks they're covering for. Mohamed ElBaradei is corrupt as hell. His record at the IAEA was a nightmare, the same Mohamed ElBaradei that tried to convince the world Saddam was not in possession of weapons grade uranium in 1982 – which has since been discovered to be a coverup and lie. And who sits on the board of I.C.G. board ElBaradei currently head of?
George Soros. You fucking people from the Left in your naivety and stupidity don't even know the unsavory characters you're dealing with.
I'm talking Iraq had 500 tons of Yellow Cake. Period. Don't care where it was derived. Don't care how it was purchased.
You act as if it didn't exist.
Let's review what yellowcake is…
Yellowcake is used in the preparation of uranium fuel for nuclear reactors, purified uranium metal which can enriched in the isotope U-235 – weapons grade uranium.
Niger would be likely to engage in such a transaction due to a French consortium which maintained close control over the Nigerien uranium industry.
The same French "consortium" that sold Iraq nuclear reactors in the 1970s, now covering their asses. Guaranteed in 1982 had you been old enough, you would have been condemning with the rest of the Dhimmi world, Israel blowing Saddam's reactors to hell.
Yeah, well Thor. I don't believe you. Not a word. The duplicity is mind numbing.
Like I tried to tell you emasculated wienies that killing Osama, while a nice prize buck, changed nothing. And Rutherford concluded the election was over and Obama won.
Here's what your messiah's Cult of Personality and dialogue have brought us the last four years.
"Obama, Obama, we are all Osama!"
Islamists that our government refuses to confront or even recognize. What is terrorism now called under the Obama regime? Man made disasters? :lol: You people are helpless.
Nine days of lying; nine days of coverup; four dead Americans – gross incompetence and Hillary Rotten should be fired immediately.
Had this been George Bush flying off to Las Vegas for fundraising while embassies burned, or heading back to bed after being informed, you would be calling for his head.
A press secretary defends the presidents' policy and goals. To suggest he was speaking for himself stretches the boundries of credulity to fantastic territory..
Obama is responsible for our foreign policy, and he is quick to take credit for real and imagined successes. The fact is that Obama miscalculated, and he lied about it. Obama's self deception caused four men to die.
I suggest that Obama's constant crowing about the death of Osama bin Ladin helped inflame extremists as much as a stupid video most people never saw. My evidence is the "Obama.Obama, there are a million Osamas", or something like that. At the very least, it gave the terrorists an additional incentive to stick it to us on the 911 anniversary.
Andria Mitchel said we have two options. We accept a cover up, or the administration is lying to prevent this from being an election issue. The New York Times also said this could hurt Obama. None less that John Kerry was one of several senators asking the White House for more information.
Lest we forget Fast and Furious, Obama declared much of the evidence off limits through executive privilage.about an operation which killed nearly three hundred people. Once again, Obama lied at his Telemendu conference when he said it was a continuation of Bush's Linebacker scheme.
The press has covered this confidence man and discredited themselves for doing so.George Bush would have been run out of town with the only safe speaking venues held in secret.
The word, as Tex wrote is hypocricy. Another is gullible. One of the bases I served on had so many rats, we kept cats. Some of the jerks called a cat, and when it came, they kicked it into a quansite hut.Peanuts never learned, even after they set fire to her and the fire went out.
This thread is about accountability. Where is it? It seems that too many of us are like Peanuts.
Hypocrisy, in some cases.
Gullibility in other cases.
Cowardice in all cases.
Hillary is a disaster and Obama is a flim flam man, and the media is their chariot.
Tigre, more wishes for a speedy recovery.
America, Get Well Soon.
Rabbit, I am going to make the broad assumption, that you originally bought your house with the intention of paying off the mortgage and just leave it at that. But for you to collect unemployment at the same time you were going to school on the GI Bill….
Muffy, get off those downers, they spoiling your outlook of life.
I didn't collect unemployment while I went to school.
As for my mortgage, why leave it at that? Don't do that! The tax payer was put on the hook for every single Fanny foreclosure. And you want to leave it at that?
Newt, comedy really isn't your forte. Perhaps you are gifted in some other area?
#489 Okay, that was my issue, I thought you deliberately scammed the government so you had extra money to party. The high foreclosure rate that you signed on for, I have mix feelings. Yes buyers were dubbed, but I do find it difficult to believe buyers shouldn't have concluded that the conditions of the loans they were offered were a huge mistake. A couple of years of interest only must have sounded great, but all too soon when they had to pay interest plus principle, they would be in trouble. The bankers knew this, that is why they bundled the loans and sold them. But people also need to own up their mistakes, in my opinion. What were they thinking? What were you thinking? In any case, I hope you learned something from your experience.
Tigre, props for #425. Many happy returns of laughs at the thought of it. And James, #483 is a great example of why the Fat Grannies of the world dislike you so. .
Newt, my loan was not the problem. I walked because my house lost about 55 percent of its value. I wasn't among the cycle of foreclosures that took place in 2009 due to ARM loans. I was one of the strategic defaulters of late 2011. Now, it also looked like my wife and I could end up being unemployed. So we decided to be proactive assholes. We walked from our house and my wife told her work she will only stay if they let her work from home (at the time we were also paying for day care).They tried to see if she was bluffing and when they found out she wasn't, they took her offer. In my defense, I didn't realize the tax payer was on the hook for every single Fannie bond in the country. I will leave that for you to explain.
When I enrolled at the local community college, the veterans services desk whisked me into another office and told me about all the free money I qualified for in the form of grants. I took the money and rambled.
I also worked cash jobs while I collected unemployment when I first got out of the service. Again, fucked up.
The point is, I'm not even lazy and I ripped the tax payer off.
I think it's good you are questioning my motives. Indeed they were nefarious. I only ask that you apply this same skepticism of me to the entire system. Do you realize how many people get high on opiates off the tax payer dime, with enough pills left over to sell them on the street? Do you realize how dirty the food stamp underground is? Do you realize how much the system is gamed?
I've got the business from a few conservative posters here for my choices. And I deserve it.
"I've got the business from a few conservative posters here for my choices. And I deserve it." Yes you do. And this comes from a liberal. Contrary to some people's opinions, we, liberals, don't countenance 'using' the system.
The system Newt. Now move from the microcosm of the dead rabbit and apply it to the whole system. Safety net my ass. Trust me, my brutal honesty is the only thing that sets me apart from millions upon millions of people. Your big government rips off tax payers and screws the people who are honest. Guys like Tex and Tigre. And you blame them for resisting your ever expanding government? You are too afraid to really research things. Why is it you libs defended Fanny Mae so much? Why should the tax payer be involved with mortgage bonds? How can it be that the tax payer floods the streets with Oxycotin. How can it be that 3 generations of family live off of hand outs. How is your goal NOT to shrink the government at every turn?
I showed up at work this Fall and was given a free Ipad on the tax payers dime. Everyone of us. Supposedly some half cranked government policy to improve technology in the class room. I watch Breaking Bad via Netflicks in my bed. Trust me, my Ipad isnt needed.
Must make you sick. Here I am getting bread from Caesar yet I refuse to vote for the party of hand outs.
"But saying this is some grand conspiracy is a little ridiculous when the cat was out of the bag less than a day after the attacks".
Yeah, that was some investigation, wasn't it?
Thanks, muffy.Tthat fat grannies dislike me is a complement. I'm something right.
Happy belated anniversary Rutherford. It must be a good time for you both given what you faced earlier.
I agree with newt about personal responsibility. Many of the people who lost their homes, cars, etc, victimized themselves with unrealistic expectations. The same thing happened during the farm crisis. Watching the housing bubble burst was deja vu all over again.
I agree that Ann Romney could unintentionally give the wrong impression. If you want to see emotional problems in a presidential family, look at the Lincolns. Neither was emotionally normal.
I do think fraud and entitlement has become endemic in our safety net system. Its human nature to expect something for nothing or to twist rules for ones' advantage.This issue of Time magazine wrote that Mormons believe strongly in helping unfortunate people, but they don't like charity. They believe some one must return the favor, even if it is only a token.
Our food pantry operates that way. While it is not required, a large percentage or the regular volunteers receive food from the pantry too.
R – nobody hates the poor. I, for one, DO hate the system that generates poor people out of those who could – and would – work, and would be happy to do so.
I am reminded of a conversation with an old grade-school acquaintance "up the holler" about twenty years ago. He had grown up on welfare, was married and had about 4-5 kids. THIS family was on welfare, just like his father's had been.
We spoke very frankly, having been friends since we were little. I asked him flat out, didn't he want the pride and material possessions that came from working for a living? Did he like living in a trailer in the head of the holler?
He told me that – even if he could – he would be crazy to get a job; he had dropped out of high school, had no marketable skills to speak of. "If I get a job, I lose my welfare payment dollar-for-dollar which means I am working for nothing. My kids and I lose all our medical care, dental care, optical care."
These people are not stupid, and contrary to what ET says, I have never met one who does not want to live in a nice house or have a better car. They don't like being looked down-upon; they just do not *know* how to better themselves, and more importantly, do not believe it possible.
R, the welfare system is – like a lot of do-gooder plans – great in theory, but an absolute destroyer of good people in practice. I am not against helping someone who is down on his luck, but taking the easy way out, the gub'ment way – confiscating wealth of those who earned it to give to those who did not – is wrong, wrong, wrong. It is wrong and unfair to the man who earned it, and more importantly it destroys the man who receives it. All the theories in the world do not counter what I saw every day with my own eyes – generations of proud Scotsmen, Germans, Irishmen – transformed wholesale into dissipated shells.
Has anyone watched "Revolution"? Coast to Coast talked about it. An astraunimer referred to the Carrington Event which was the biggest solar storm witnessed in modern history. It fried telegraph lines, and even when when operators turned off batteries, the telegraph lines still worked. Others got electrical burns.
Now, unless we spend a couple of billion dollars to protect our electric devises and power grids, another Carrington event would take out the power of the northern hemisphere and maybe the world. One danger not mentioned in "Revolution" is nuclear power plants which could go Chernable if back up generators failed.
He said of course the series is dramatized to hold interest, but the basic premise is right. If it happened, one should leave the big cities as soon as possible. That man isn't the only scientist who has said we could have big trouble with out power grid and satalites.
The woman who bragged about her Obama phone personifies our entitlement mentality and dovetails with what Pfessor wrote. The program began with Reagan to insure that poor people had access to land lines.
Ideally this is how a helping hand should work. A more reasonable example of a good outcome would be like the family of a man I met years ago. His mother divorced his abusive father and she and her three young children went on welfare. The mother attended nursing school and after graduation she got all of them off welfare. He is very proud of his mother, she used welfare as a bridge to a better life for her entire family. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/jk-rowling-says-no-she-couldnt-have-built-it-without-government-aid-and-health-care/2012/09/27/3e2930aa-08bd-11e2-9eea-333857f6a7bd_blog.html
There's always free cheddar in a mousetrap
I respect Ms Rowling for what she has accomplished, but she is wrong to believe the government did it for her.
Statists like Elizabeth Warren and Obama with "you didn't build this…" meet "the hell I didn't!" because they fail to realize that though the government helps through our tax dollars, individual inititive, talent, luck and help from family and neighbors built it.
The government didn't build Rowling's empire. She did. If the government did most of the work, many angry people should be asking their leaders, "why did you do that for her and not I. I am just as deserving."
My experience in the UK let me meet many people with Rowling's erroronius assumptions. They are like propagandised cattle. Others would make good Tea Party recruits.
I agree with Newt's concept of how a helping hand should work. It is part of the immigrant ethos we still carry, though it is being diluted. For example, my wife's grandmother left Sweden at age 16. Her brother who had come before her found her a job as a housekeeper.
Once she was established, the next sibling came. This repeated seven times and again for the parents. The government created infrastructure, schools and opportunities, which helped, but the families like the nurse who pulled her family up from poverty did it for themselves.
Hat they not, they would have been living off of our tax money and bragging about their Obama phones.
James of course she is aware what she did it herself and she said, she was very proud of her accomplishment. And nothing takes the place of hard work. But if you know anything about her history, you'd know that her husband left her and her baby homeless and penniless. Like she said, she didn't do all on her own. Anymore than you built the roads your crops go to market on.
@alfie512 – I'm not sure what you are asking. I think there are several things going on, but that does not mean it is too complex to fix; you just start with one fix at a time and do them in priority order.
Firstly, I want to say that I do not take the approach, "It's a moral failure of the person himself." I tend to just look at human behavior pragmatically and then try to see how the system can be changed so that, when people do what they do naturally, it also is the 'right' thing – just like my two-lane road example: self correcting, without external intervention.
It seems to me that the problem is that we have (with the best of intent) set up a system that cannot lead anywhere but to failure for the average guy trying to get ahead. We have burdened the man and wife who do the right thing and incentivised those who do not. We need to make the right path the easy one and the wrong one unpleasant.
I will give you just one example: starting tomorrow, the gub'ment will pay for contraception. (not critical, but let's use it just for argument.) Nine months and one day later, however, it will be illegal for any state or national entity to provide any type of assistance – financial or otherwise – for moms with babies.
Entirely self-correcting. Now the potential grandmas and granddads will be damned good and sure that little Sarah and Sammy know all about birth control and use it, since the upkeep for any new bastard children will now fall to them. In other words, simply replace the current system with NOTHING. Nothing is one program that you can't game, no matter how smart you are.
I'm not sure I answered your question.
"In other words, simply replace the current system with NOTHING. Nothing is one program that you can't game, no matter how smart you are."-pfessor
Lol. Well said.
I know some of Ms.Rowling's history. She wrote parts of her books late at night in restaurants because she had no where to go. I agree, "No man is an island." I also know the government through contractors built the roads which let us take our crops to market.
Here is the distinction I see. Obama and folks like him are socialists. I documented his affilation with and possible joining the New Party in Chicago.
He was not speaking of our interconnectedness. He was saying that government made success possible and people who have prospered are under an obligation to give the government its due in the form of higher taxes.
Another proof of Obama's socialist tendencies is his big stimulus law. It failed because he spent most of the money on governments which created little new wealth. He redistributed what already existed.
Ms Rowling is richer than the Queen, and she is paying a huge share of taxes, but the government has no moral claim on her success other than payment to keep the government running..
We taxpayers created the government.
My Lions lost but I finally got laid tonight. And the Tigers won. Play off bound.
"[Y]ou drew the wrong inference. When I mean black I say black. When I mean poor I say poor. What I said is that it is becoming fashionable to hate the poor."
Come on. You've said so on numerous occasions in refernce to the "food stamp president" and "welfare." Remember? The MSNBC coded message from republicans referring to "blacks? and other minorities." Coulda fooled me. Hell I thought you just said something to that effect to PF who also "hates the poor."
Well at least my Falcons are holding up. I had to hear about it from my son. I wished I could've seen it. If I can keep the Pats from steering off course it might be a worthwhile season for Sunday t.v. time. . . and a stogie!
Thanks for the clarification, Alfie. As we know the NHS has the equivalent of death panels as it rations health care to ward off insolvency.
obama's former car czar, i think, wrote in the New York Times that Obama care needs death panels though one wouldn't call them that. It already has an administrative board. Sarah Palin was as right about rationing as Libyans were about the Al quaeda attack on our counselate.
I watch the Olympics and I will watch the debates.
KFAB Omaha is sponsoring viewing parties to be conducted as if the crowd was watching a football game. The first will be held at a sports bar.
And I will watch the debates, because I find Romney's sense of humor irresistible and love how he guffaws at his own jokes.
There is not one person on this board who hasn't benefited from the government "teat" but nooooo now we're suddenly all self-made men and women. Puke!
Specious observation. I benefited from the money pit of a poorly built house that I paid top dollar for, but it still kept me dry.
You act as if the best benefactor we ever received was payback from our federal tax dollars. I say bang for the buck, it's been without doubt my worst investment ever.
Your philosophy closely is starting to resemble from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. More Obama phones, please?
I say my best benefit I ever received was from a high paying job that government had little or nothing to do with, and in fact too often was over regulated and impinged upon, further depressing the private wage standards.
If we've proven nothing the last four years, it should be obvious behemoth government actually lowers the middle class wage scale:
The Census department confirmed today that median household income continued to drop in 2011, the second year of the economic "recovery." It dropped by about 4 percent, which is pretty close to the estimate produced in late August by two former Census statisticians at Sentier Research (4.8 percent). Unlike Sentier, the Census didn't conclude that median income fell more during the recovery than during the recession; it found that median income fell by about the same amount in both periods.. The Census calculation of how much median income has dropped since 2008 (8.1 percent).
Here's the dirty secret Mr. Obama doesn't want you to know. His "job creations" are low paying.
I likely won't be watching the debates because I'm still being crushed by the non-terrorist terrorist attack against our consulate in Benghazi.
R, I just want you to know that everything the Administration has told you about Benghazi has been a deliberate lie. I obviously can't get into details, but I knew within hours, and so did he. The last three weeks and the commentary coming coming out of the WH in light of the reality we all know is down right disgraceful. YOUR pResident is a bald faced liar and YOU are an idiot for buying it.
— President Obama, in a new two-minute television ad released Sept. 27, 2012 [...]
The Pinocchio Test
It is time for the Obama campaign to retire this talking point, no matter how much it seems to resonate with voters. The financial crisis of 2008 stemmed from a variety of complex factors, in particular the bubble in housing prices and the rise of exotic financial instruments. Deregulation was certainly an important factor, but as the government commission concluded, the blame for that lies across administrations, not just in the last Republican one.
In any case, the Bush tax cuts belong at the bottom of the list — if at all. Moreover, it is rather strange for the campaign to cite as its source an article that, according to the author, does not support this assertion.
We nearly made this Four Pinocchios but ultimately decided that citing deregulation in conjunction with tax cuts kept this line out of the "whopper" category. Still, in his effort to portray Romney as an echo of Bush, the president really stretches the limits here.
Three Pinocchios
Department of Agriculture personnel in the Obama administration have met with Mexican Government officials dozens of times since the president took office to promote nutrition assistance programs — notably food stamps — among Mexican Americans, Mexican nationals and migrant communities in America.
Thank God the long dark night of fascism under GW has finally given way to a new dawn of respect for bedrock constitutional principles.
Damn straight, Tigre. Obama and his negative liberties concerning the Bill of Rights has ushered in a new dawn….
Brownshirts and long knives.
Look, I gave up trying to change these minds. There's basically four types of Americans that are going to vote for Obama and it won't change even if an Iranian nuke went off in a major metropolitan area:
(1) The entitled and the helpless
(2) The covet and envy crowd
(3) Academia and those invested in race or celebrity
(4) Those so abjectly stupid, they don't even recognize failure but make a decent livelihood and live a comfortable life by birthright, and reason it because of Obama.
I'll leave to the individual to judge which group the leftist individuals here fall, and the categories aren't mutually exclusive.
One thing that I find not worthy of argument. Obama's successes as measured by the historical standards of America.
There are none. You can apply the DOW, but anyone with a brain knows that not only is the stock market a crock, but brokers using political reports instead of fundamentals is no way to run a market.
Dumb as a stump.
So full of it. First if this boom happened under a GOPher you'd be citing it as people's exhibit #1 of success.
It did happen under a GOPher. In fact, it was 6% higher than it was at this minute in Oct. 2007 and was accompanied with a fully employed market with median income 8% higher for the middle class. Duh…
Second, aside from your wife's salary your 401K is your major asset right now. So send Obama a thank you note.
Wrong. Salary is not an asset. My wife and I now have a substantial amount of assets completely removed from the market. My 401K in safer funds and has been for some time. Have I missed an opportunity? Possibly. Have I slept at night without fear? Absolutely.
One question? Why should anyone lend any credibility to your perception of finances and personal decisions? :neutral:
Matt Damon, Team America – actively working to punish poor America with Saudi money and slander, and too stupid to even know it.
Rutherford observed –
"PF it amazes me how you can so clearly recount your hillbilly friend's conversation and then come to the WRONG conclusion about it.
The problem is not welfare. The problem is a job market that rewards the rich and shortchanges the middle class. The dude is telling you that he can't find work that will do him or his family any good. It won't pay his bills and it won't keep his family healthy. Your answer is to stop welfare and pull the rug out from under him instead…"
Whoa there, big fella. Nobody said anything about ending welfare, let alone ending it by "pulling the rug." What I was ending was *one component* of welfare, and that was paying girls to have bastard children – no more, no less.
Where you and I differ is that I remember when a guy working an ordinary job, without a working wife, could afford a pretty decent life – and put something away for retirement. Now the taxes make up such a large part of the paycheck that only folks who make a REALLY good living can do that. The average person has absolutely no idea how much taxes eat up. Now we have inflation on top of that. The government is not your friend, R.
"Negative liberties?" What the hell is that?
Did you miss this from our Constitutional Expert, Barack Hussein Obama?
Oh my Lord. I did miss that. That's the damndest thing I've ever heard. Holy shit. A constitutional law scholar? Wow. Negative liberties. Just. . . wow.
You and I are approximately the same age. You bring up a point that I have contemplated for some time that apparently few did.
You're smart to probably have lived your lifestyle with one income, maybe perhaps you could, but more probably because like my wife and I, you saved for your retirement under the assumption Social Security may not be there.
One of the smartest things my wife and I ever did was to live our family life as if we had only one income. We didn't always to this, but most of the first 15 years of our marriage, we did. And then we allowed compound interest to work its magic. We did alright in the 90s. Now because of my choosing to say "screw it", we're not nearly as "rich" as we used to be. But we're not burning the milk money either.
Because taxes and fees have been trending substantially higher the last 40 years as our federal and state governments attempted to become surrogate parent, and by taxes I mean the aggregate taxes including state/local/sales/excise, the American pubic was able to offset the losses with two incomes for the better part of 35 years.
We may have improved our standing as far as possessions, but we have been suckered into doubling our risks.
It's just not the Fed that is out of bullets – it's the American family. People can either learn to simplify their life, or they can burn.
Redistributive change.
I guess that explains his concept of property rights.
Yeah……negative liberties…..sheesh……I need to join the Michigan Militia.
Context, Rutherford. Obama's "you didn't build it" made no sense unless he was arguing in favor of higher taxes for the successful.His comment dovetails with his past and other comments.
Newt inserted a Rowling statement about the government's helping her succeed, and unless I remember it wrong, Eiizabeth's Warren's name was included in the link.
Why would Newt post the statement if it was a generic comment about helping each other? She is a liberal, and I conclude she posted it because the link supported critics of people who took offense at Obama's statement.
I also agreed with the concept that "No man is an island" and that our grain goes to market on roads the government hired built with our tax money.
Republicans are like a blister etc. I'll raise you one. Democrats are like an infected third molar.,
I re read Newt's post. I was right and you were wrong. Ms. Rowling did indulge in classism. She may be playing both sides, or she is a fool if she thinks the government gave her her success.
She has the talent to succeed anywhere books can be printed and people can read. She might not be worth a billion dollars, but she would have made it even in the Soviet Union.
#571, In case you aren't aware James, Russia now has several billionaires.
R, sometimes it's hard to boil complex systems down to easy-to-understand pieces, but I think the essence of the Obama/socialist problem can be understood:
In theory, it shouldn't make any difference whether you spend your own money for your own benefit or the government takes that money from you and spends it for the same purpose.
In theory. In reality, others have tried this dozens of times and it never works, and the reasons are two: firstly, central planners can never decide where resources need to go as efficiently as millions of individuals, each working for his own benefit. The Castros, Breznevs, Obamas may be smarter than the average man, but they are not smarter than a million of them.
Secondly, the producers simply stop working. I have now done it twice. The first time I was out for eight years; closing my practice deprived the government of about a half-million in taxes per year for eight years – and that was when a half-million was really worth something – say, about $50,000 or so in 1971 dollars.
It's beginning, R. Look at the cost of everything you buy. Look at the price of fuel. This is all due to the socialist policies of BO, carried out by his minions, like The Bernank and Geithner, AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. A 4% inflation rate is a 4% tax that *compounds*; we are far above 4%; nobody knows HOW far, because the gub'ment changed the way it calculates inflation.
"Compounds" is a very, very important word, R. Compounding 4% tax will make people into paupers, doing it at 10-12% will do it in just a few years.
Clearly you are a decent fellow, Rutherford, but I swear sometimes I think you are asleep at the switch. How can you not see what is happening to the Greatest Country that Ever Was?
Newt, I know Russia has more than several billionaires. It has had a form of Mafia capitalism for a generation. I know a German businessman who regularly visits Russia.. He said the average Russian in cities is well-off and limited only on how to spend money.
In some ways, Russia is more capitalist than the United States.
My comment was directed at the Soviet Union which was much different than Russia. .
There will be no rigged media to save you….and there will be no argument about opinion but simple statement of fact. Your personal decisions are equally as failed as your once promising leader and equally as pathetic.
Worse, your biggest mistakes are still in the works.
Idle threats amuse me, gnats annoy me. By all means, piss away. I double dog dare you.
I think you're bluffing. I think you're empty like your candidate. I triple dog dare you. :grin:
Never said a thing on here that would embarrass me a bit. If that's all you got, you better hold your water, cause you're going to have a permanent drip when I'm through.
I got game, man! Loaded for bear.
"Rutherford! You magnificent son of a bitch. I read your BOOK!!!!" :lol:
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