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Hercules Loves The Taste Of Fox's BOB'S BURGERS, From The Folks Behind HOME MOVIES!!
A new animated sitcom re-teaming writer-producer Loren Bouchard (who wrote for "Dr. Katz: Professional Therapist" before he went on the create "Home Movies" and "Lucy: Daughter of the Devil") and actor H. Jon Benjamin, Fox's "Bob's Burgers" is, to me, perhaps the funniest half-hour currently airing on broadcast TV and an absolute lock for my 2011 top-ten list of funniest half-hours.
If you liked any of Bouchard's earlier efforts, you won't want to miss "Burgers," which follows a family-run restaurant beset by hilariously improbable bad luck. (And bad choices: the eatery is situated next to a crematorium, so diners have an unobstructed view of mourners walking to their cars clutching urns.)
Those not certain where they've earlier heard Benjamin's deadpan vocalizing might be fans of his work as the title character in FX's "Archer" or Demetri Martin's second banana on Comedy Central's "Important Things."
If you're not a fan of the current incarnation of "The Simpsons" or "Family Guy" (which sandwiches "Burgers," if you will) this might be the time to put a DVR to use.
Critics seem oddly hung up on the new show's off-color nature (it does not shy from references to the teen daughter's persistently itchy crotch), though to my ears it seems no cruder than Fox's other, far less funny Sunday-night fare. The crudity seems merely a bid by Bouchard, whose other shows were not as self-consciously salty, to fit in with typical Seth McFarlane-forged swill.
Entertainment Weekly says:
This is one tasty meal. … To see a comedy this well done is very rare indeed.
… The bad news is that the show, the network's latest dysfunctional-animated-family comedy, is at best mildly funny, at least in the first episode (the only one provided to critics). The good news? It's not another grating half-hour from the mind of Seth MacFarlane …
… Of the shows with which Bouchard has been associated, this is the most conventionally premised and, as if to propitiate Fox, possibly the least sophisticated: There is the family name, Belcher; an undertaker named Mort; some bathroom humor; genital jokes. The premiere is nonetheless diverting, if not immediately impressive, and there are nice rhythms and sharp asides and some other things to be said in its favor: It's a show about the working class — or perhaps better put, the barely surviving entrepreneurial class — that is actually about work. And though the Belchers are hapless, they are not freaks, and though they are often at cross-purposes, they are not dysfunctional. "You're my children and I love you, but you're all terrible at what you do here," Bob tells his kids. "I feel like I should tell you, 'I'd fire you if I could.'" …
… Pointlessly vulgar and derivatively dull … No one giggles more than I do when a cartoon for grown-ups mines some naughty, new frontier - but "Bob's Burgers" just isn't that funny. …
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… an unexpectedly amusing comedy meal. … It remains to be seen whether there's a vision for "Bob's Burgers" that can propel it beyond the first episode -- Fox made only Sunday's pilot available -- but so far this animated comedy is truly well done.
… arrives cold, with a touch of E. coli. Beware. …
… just lopes along, stumbling from one tasteless moment to the next — gas jokes, sex jokes, drool jokes, even a hint of cannibalism. Now and then it does land on something amusing ("There's a line between entertaining and annoying." "No, that's a myth."), but the ratio of hit-to-miss is too low to sustain the show. …
… another low-brow example of employing (very) limited animation to create a low-key, disarmingly dirty sitcom where the kids never age -- a recipe that's neither rare nor, in this case, particularly well done. …
8:30 p.m. Sunday. Fox.
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Jan. 9, 2011, 6:29 a.m. CST
by eveelcapitalist
...I'd like to mention that I kinda liked Home Movies. Set the DVR I shall.
Jan. 9, 2011, 6:48 a.m. CST
by Dhaemon
Jan. 9, 2011, 7:01 a.m. CST
Can't wait!
by bfenby
It looks great! What a dry bunch of reviews... A few promo clips with maker interviews are on youtube http://bit.ly/dYTy7w
Jan. 9, 2011, 7:07 a.m. CST
Uncle Buck on Blu-Ray?!
by Nasty In The Pasty
We can get Uncle fucking Buck on Blu-Ray, but not Jaws, Raiders Of The Lost Ark, E.T., ect.?
Jan. 9, 2011, 7:08 a.m. CST
As for this show...
by Nasty In The Pasty
...the best thing you can say about it is that it isn't another Seth MacFarlane Domination show.
Jan. 9, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST
and the worst thing...
by jameskpolk
Is that is sounds, from the reviews quoted here, like it is trying to fit right in amongst the MacFarlane crowd. At the very least, it sounds like they left the incest and pedophile humor out. But then again, they only previewed one episode. Herc? You're putting this on a "best of 2011" list based on a one-episode preview?
Jan. 9, 2011, 8:36 a.m. CST
SOME of the folks behind movies
by hst666
I believe Brendan Small had no small part in the creation and development of Home Movies.

Having said that, This looks like it might could be as funny as Family Guy or American Dad.
Jan. 9, 2011, 8:36 a.m. CST
Critics Are Such Pretentious Assholes...
by Bruda5000
I get the feeling that they are more interested in saying something clever rather then just reviewing something. "A recipe that's neither rare nor, in this case, particularly well done." What a douche bag.
Jan. 9, 2011, 10 a.m. CST
here in ATL
by deelzbub
the city morgue sits back to back with the Municipal Market. Yum
Jan. 9, 2011, 10:30 a.m. CST
From those reviews it sounds like itll be good
by _Venkman
Jan. 9, 2011, 11:54 a.m. CST
American Dad is Consistently Funny and Gets Shat Upon...
by The_Floating_Skull_of_Robert_Loggia
...while Family Guy, Cleveland, and the far-past-it's-prime Simpsons continue to rule the roost. Why American Dad, McFarlane's smartest and most deliriously entertaining offering, is getting the King of the Hill treatment, is beyond me. Personally, Family Guy has never been a favorite, so I was slow to warm to American Dad, but, now, I think it's one of the funniest shows on TV. And, of course, it will be pre-empted for months by a new show while one of its unfunny siblings still airs. BOO, FOX! BOO and HISS!
Jan. 9, 2011, 12:47 p.m. CST
this is replacing american dad.
by Chaz
Ugh. Not that I'm not going to give this show a chance, it urks me how another smart, under appreciated FOX comedy is getting the shaft. Maybe Seth can get a Roger spin-off.
Jan. 9, 2011, 1:23 p.m. CST
Go Coach McGuirk!
by Cheif Brody
I could listen to that dude read the phone book. Hope they used the retroscripting approach in this. Some of the best episodes of "Home Movies" were the heavily improvised ones.
Jan. 9, 2011, 1:26 p.m. CST
re:American Dad is Consistently Funny and Gets Shat Upon...
by elvisaintdead
wipe those dribblings from your chin, son. it's humiliating.
Jan. 9, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
Wow Herc...you see one half hour and you're to proclaim it
by openthepodbaydoorshal
one of your top ten of the year..eleven months and three weeks away? Doesn't say much for your top ten judging criteria, does it?
Jan. 9, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST
Why do people think American Dad is the "good" MacFarlane show?
by Nasty In The Pasty
It's EVERY BIT AS AWFUL as Family Guy and The Cleaveland Show.
Jan. 9, 2011, 2:34 p.m. CST
I hated American Dad at first, now its my favorite
by Yamato
Family Guy is really running out of gas now. I used to like it, but not any more. Cleveland is improving (I watched the first few eps and I thought it was the worst thing I've ever seen) and has potential. Simpsons should have either quit ten years ago, or killed off Lisa ten years ago. Heck, even the non-Lisa eps (what few there are, like 1 out of 6) aren't that good.
Jan. 9, 2011, 2:35 p.m. CST
gettin tired of hearing that same voice
by HaterofCrap
hes in every fucking show. fuck aren't there any other funny voice guys looking for work?
Jan. 9, 2011, 2:47 p.m. CST
American Dad is horrible and needs to go away
by FlandersBum
Bad show from day one. Based on unfunny cliche after cliche. McFarlane is clearly stretched out waaaaaaay too thin, and losing at least one show would do him good. Let him focus on making Family Guy funny again. Really looking forward to Bobs Burgers though, love Home Movie repeats on Adult Swim.
Jan. 9, 2011, 2:56 p.m. CST
nasty in the pasty
by Rev4
i believe all those movies are from steven spielberg's company, Ambien. So, I'm sure that has something to do with it.
Jan. 9, 2011, 3:29 p.m. CST
Ambien Entertainment...
by Nasty In The Pasty
...would make a great sleep aid. ;)
Jan. 9, 2011, 5:52 p.m. CST
American Dad has the best specials though.
by Saen
The Christmas episodes, the Halloween episode this year. They do theme episodes on a level only matched by Community.
Jan. 9, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST
McFarline is barely involved with Cleveland show
by RedBull_Werewolf
he's gets a paycheque from it but is involvement is very low compared to FG and AD. Cleveland is hillarious but You can feel the lack of macfarline even just from the voices (i.e he doesn't do any of the main ones) And american Dad isn't gone, if bob's burgers is a hit then we might see a schedule change (although i think it will be to see bob's burgers moved to tuesday nights following the very funny Raising hope) Odd's are BB won't be a hit though, FOX can't do animation unless it's got Matt Groenings or Seth McFarlines name attached to it
Jan. 9, 2011, 6:57 p.m. CST
I'll agree that family guy has gone doen in the past 2 seasons, but
by RedBull_Werewolf
It's still a funny show, whats been missing is the heart. A similar thing happend to the simpsons a decade ago, but It (like family guy) always had laughs and much of the heart has returned since the movie in 2007 I actually think Cleveland show and American dad represent the family guy from 2 years ago, both of those shows have heart and humour balnced One thing Family guy really needs to do is to tone down Brian a bit, he's been far too much of a political voice atley, any episode with him at the center has revolved around some type of liberal bitching and it's never funny, Brian is the sidekick, he works well with Peter and he especially works well with stewie, but put him in the spotlight and it comes off preachy
Jan. 9, 2011, 7:41 p.m. CST
Fuck, this show doesn't let you breathe
by RedBull_Werewolf
It's like The fuckin Gilmour Grls, My brain can't takeit in because it's non stop talking, they need to slow the pacing down if they expect me to be entertained Also, Whats up with the flash animation, it looks very cheap and lacks the dimention that simpsons or family guy's animation has
Jan. 9, 2011, 7:58 p.m. CST
I got a king of the hill vibe from that
by RedBull_Werewolf
meaning I didn't enjoy myself while watching it
Jan. 9, 2011, 8:09 p.m. CST
So far this family guy is hillarious
by RedBull_Werewolf
i'm laughing my ass off here from all the redbull related humor
Jan. 9, 2011, 9:50 p.m. CST
I liked it.
by Yamato
Made me laugh.
Jan. 9, 2011, 11:28 p.m. CST
Everytime I heard his voice I just saw Archer
by Saen
Which I laugh at. This I didnt get any good laughs, maybe cracked a smile, but no real good laugh.
Jan. 10, 2011, 1:58 a.m. CST
The only time I laughed during Bob's Burgers...
by barry convex
...was when I saw the sign in the crowd that said "Don't taste me, bro". But that was nothing compared to the laugh I got during Family Guy when I realized why a Red Bull fueled Chris's crotch was on fire after a Red Bull fueled Peter speed milked a cow's udder on fire.
Jan. 10, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST
by fettitular
What a shitty premier. Poor animation, worse writing, and terrible voice-work for the characters. The dead pan schtick didn't work... not one iota. Like the other guy who mentioned above... the pacing was way the fuck off. Felt too rushed... too forced. Not enough time to breathe. And i second that reviewer that knocked it for being vulgar for the sake of being vulgar. SPOT-FUCKING-ON. Same reason i can't stand that overrated, piece of shit show, Eastbound and Down. It's fucking vulgar (which i don't specifically mind) but it's not CLEVER in any way whatsoever... Like "Seth's shit" is. That's toilet humor, DONE RIGHT. Bob's is simply FAR dumber and more juvenile and simplistic than anything Seth Macfarlane has done. I see absolutely NO potential in this show. And to think that it could actually take over for the insanely underrated American Dad, just makes me want to fuckin' puke. To all the douche-nozzles here who talk shit about Seth Mcfarlane... FUCK OFF. Especially when you say insane shit like: "Bob's Burgers is refreshing compared to all that Mcfarlane shit..." Let me guess, you cockwarts love you some South Park, and you masturbate to life-size cut-outs of Trey Parker and Matt Stone (fucking uncreative rip-off artists - see the inception episode for further clarifcation...) You just gobble up all the shit those 2 dickheads serve you, including the idiotic Family Guy episode with the manatees... Just admit it already, you dipshits haven't seen more than 20 minutes of a Family Guy, American Dad, or Cleveland Show 'cause mr. macfarlane is the new cool, hip, celebrity to bash. You just hear this shit in the media, and glom on to it, parroting whatever the fuck you hear. Fuckin' hipster douchebags... I'm as fuckin' picky as it gets when it comes to comedy, and the only thing better than the "seth mcfarlane shit" is It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, and possibly The League, Futurama, and Community. Those shows are fuckin' smart. They're well done... they keep you on your toes. To say that Bob's is any where in the same ballpark as Seth's stuff is just shockingly ignorant. Seth is fuckin' clever, quick, has impecable comedic timing, and is clearly more "well read" than the asshats that queefed out this abortion of a show. There's a common trait you see among fans of Seth's work... they've actually seen more than 1 FUCKING EPISODE. And they generally think for THEMSELVES... My thoughts mirror Redbull Werewolf, and many others who stick up for Seth's shows. Family Guy started off relatively poor, but found it's footing in season 2 or 3. Had a a couple of BRILLIANT seasons and is now running out of gas a bit. Luckily, it's 2 "sister shows", American Dad and Cleveland Show, have now found THEIR footing and are basically kicking Family Guy's ASS. They're doing now, what Family Guy did a few years ago. And especially with American Dad. That show is kicking fuckin ass and taking names. So fuck all you morons who aren't giving these shows a chance... Keep on watching your well-beyond-it's-years shit like Simpsons and South Park. Keep livin' in the past you fuckin sheep! Anywho, I guess you punks just hate people who become successful. Seth Macfarlane's fame and success came fairly quick and out of the blue, so i can sort of understand that mentality... i.e. wanting to knock down the rich/successful/smart/confident type. I get it... Now with that said... it's FUCKING OLD ALREADY. So here's a tip for ya bitches... remove that huge stick from your anal canal, settle down, and watch that "seth shit" with an open mind. And i fuckin GUARANTEE you, if you have half a fucking brain... you will get MANY genuine laughs out of it. And to any dickweed who still argues this... please cite specific reasons as to how Bob's fucking Burgers is in any way, shape, or form, OBJECTIVELY better or "smarter" than Family Guy and it's offshoots. Please. I need a fuckin laugh ;-)
Jan. 10, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST
Holy FUCK...
by fettitular
that was a long post! Heh.
Jan. 10, 2011, 5:33 a.m. CST
Oh, and ROGER owns all your unworthy asses.
by fettitular
That pot-bellied, fruity alien is one of the most consistently funny, well written and performed (voiced) characters on television at this moment... FACT.
Jan. 10, 2011, 5:36 a.m. CST
Reading the rest of this talkback...
by fettitular
I'm quite encouraged to see a healthy dose of respect for Seth's shows and a "lackluster" (to put it mildly...) reaction to Bob's. What was Herc thinking? And what, SPECIFICALLY, is his problem with Seth Macfarlane?? Not that i expect a response from him or anything like that...
Jan. 10, 2011, 5:38 a.m. CST
And FIFTHLY...
by fettitular
Why do i continue to post when nobody is active on this fucking site?!? Sleep is for pussies.
Jan. 10, 2011, 7:38 a.m. CST
by fettitular
Fuck yeah! That's what i'm talkin' about.
Jan. 10, 2011, 10:32 a.m. CST
Funny? Really? God, this culture is doomed.
by Snake Foreskin
How could any of that be considered remotely funny? That was low-quality all the way. Nothing about it was well done. The animation, voiceovers, writing, music - it all sucked. Hercules must have suffered a closed-head wound over the holidays and forgotten get himself checked out.
Jan. 10, 2011, 10:39 a.m. CST
by Koyaanisqatsi
I didn't laugh once.
Jan. 10, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST
I'll pass
by ozliiifter
I didn't really laugh at all. Might have smiled a couple times, but from what I saw last night, I won't be spending 30 minutes a week at Bob's Burgers. Really weak.
Jan. 10, 2011, 1:03 p.m. CST
I'll check out the next episode, but the premier was meh
by Prof. Pop-Cult
And, yeah, the kids were a bit too obnoxious. Maybe the following episodes will tone this aspect of them down. I love most of H. Jon Benjamin's voicework, from all the way back when he voiced for Dr. Katz. His best role so far has been Couch McGuirk of Home Movies. I love listening to his dialog as that character; I often just leave Home Movies on the TV playing in the background whenever it airs late night on Adult Swim.
Jan. 10, 2011, 1:10 p.m. CST
by Triple_J_72
...it's a show about a bunch of talking penises. I've never seen such horrid character designs for a cartoon in my life. BLAH!
Jan. 10, 2011, 1:59 p.m. CST
" an absolute lock for my 2011 top-ten list of funniest half-hours."
by jim
Looks like Fox's cheque cleared. Either that or Hercules has little faith that in the next 50 weeks he won't discover 10 half-hour shows funnier than this show's first episode. He does seem to have great faith that the series will continue to be "as funny" as it's pilot. I found it to be mildly amusing. I think the funniest part, for me, was the line "if we find your meat contains more than the 4% [of human flesh] allowed by the FDA, we're shutting you down". Oh, and jameskpolk, there was some pedophile "humour" - a whole bit in fact.
Jan. 10, 2011, 3:26 p.m. CST
by THAT_SAID_THE_CHOPPAH
Did not laugh once. Did not even crack a smile. My friend and I just sat there incredulous at the completely devoid of anything even remotely funny CRAP that we were subjecting ourselves to.
Jan. 10, 2011, 3:36 p.m. CST
by Daniel Beaubourg
I haven't actually got around to see it,but I don't think I can bring myself to. The art style and the animation looks horrendous, even devoid of anything even resembling charm. I don't think it's worth even watching a funny show it the visuals are just this unbearable.
Jan. 10, 2011, 7:22 p.m. CST
Penisheads' Burgers
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Oh, great, triple_j_72: now I cannot *not* see the characters as phallic looking. Well, I suppose I can just listen to Mr. Benjamin, as I already do when Home Movies airs on Adult Swim (I've seen all the episodes multiple times already, so I just now listen to them when they air to hear the banter between Couch McGuirk and whomever he's talking to, as I'm doing other things usually on the computer).
Jan. 10, 2011, 7:33 p.m. CST
They DO look phallic! Jesus!
by Jim Jam Bongs
They also resemble worms, due to the chinless design. God what horrible drawings. On top of that, H. John Benjamin's voice doesn't coincide well with Bob's look. The kids are obnoxiously unfunny, and the wife... is she voiced by a man? (Does Benjamin voice her?) What a disappointment and a visual and voice-work mess this show is turning out.
Jan. 10, 2011, 7:34 p.m. CST
Well, I liked it.
by SquirrelPhister
I thought the subdued humor worked really well and I really liked the main character (though I guess that's mostly because of Jon Benjamin's delivery). I agree they need to stop trying so hard to make the kids crazy. And the character design does suck pretty bad, but that's not a deal-breaker for me. Bottom line, I'll definitely check out a few more episodes and see how it goes. I think there's plenty of potential here. Let's not forget that American Dad sucked rhino dick for the entirety of it's first season. And was I the only one who was distracted by Sam Seder's voice every time his character was on screen? I kept expecting him to start explaining why the tax compromise bill is complete bullshit.
Jan. 10, 2011, 10:25 p.m. CST
Simpsons vs. Family Guy vs. Bob's Burgers vs. American Dad vs. The Cleveland Show
by DefyThis
Jeepers H. Crackers! Why doesn't Fox just rename itself The Cartoon Network already? Is that taken? If not, I say go for it...
 And look, when it comes to animation on said "network" (and I use the term loosely at this point), The Simpsons is still king. They've regained their form ever since they went HD, which actually has less to do with them having gone HD, and more to do with them telling actual stories again. All the good classic Simpsons episodes had actual plot, not just random happenstance, and a majority of those even had *gasp* a moral at the end of it all. Which is what has come back to The Simpsons in the past couple of seasons, whereas Family Guy, which set the benchmark for "random" humour, has become predictably lame in its "randomness" and exchanged funny for shocking long ago.
 While last night's episode of Family Guy was actually pretty decent, it's been one of the few this season (And Then There Were Fewer and Road to the North Pole being to other two I can think of).
 The Cleveland Show is just an abomination... and I've watched a lot of the episodes. I tried to put up with it, really I did, hell it's between The Simpsons and Family Guy so I figured what the hell, but I've deleted it from my DVR recordings, and if I'm watching the Sunday night lineup live, I cook dinner during The Cleveland Show.
 American Dad is the best Seth Sitcom on Fox and it has really grown on me the past few years. I could not stand it at first, and that seems to be a common reaction. A talking fish? A random alien? But again, American Dad, like the Simpsons, is at its best when telling stories, with the occasional moral. You feel like you got somewhere at the end. Hell even the old Family Guy episodes, while bursting with random cutaway gags, had that.
 As for Bob's Burgers... all this mention of H. Jon Benjamin and no one bothers to mention he's a voice actor on Family Guy (convenience store owner where Chris worked)? Yes, yes, something called Archer as well... are they purposely trying to distance that link to Family Guy though? Anyhow the first episode was decent. It does seem a bit more King of the Hill than Family Guy, and while the animation is cheap, well, Dr. Katz wasn't exactly stunning (or all that good, in my opinion, so I'm glad this at least gave me the odd chuckle). The fart jokes got tiring pretty quick although the itchy crotch gag gave me a smile - at least they didn't go the predictable route and have the son "itching" down there all the time. The Child Molester (with candy" special burger of the day was the best gag in the show... it has a chance, if people don't tune out due to the shoddy animation style. Or due to the total amount of overkill when it comes to animation on Fox. Kill off the Cleveland Show and swap it with this, however, and I'll watch.
 Better yet, move Fringe to Sunday nights. Run a solid three hour block of TV with The Simpsons, Bob's Burgers, Fringe, Family Guy, and American Dad. At least then I only need to watch TV one night a week.
Jan. 11, 2011, 12:37 a.m. CST
WTF - this show is horrible
by Russman
It's just not funny - AT. ALL. And I like Jon Benjamin, but everything fell flat and it sounded strange too. It's not funny.
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Since the headline-grabbing action against Kelly, five of the 350 people originally profiled on OW's website have asked to have their materials deleted, while an additional 175 or so have submitted new profiles. Of the total, organizers say, more than 70 percent attend LDS services at least twice a month — if not more. Only a handful have faced any kind of formal church sanction for their participation, but many more wonder if it's coming.
Suzette Smith, who lives in the Washington, D.C., area, says she has "wise, thoughtful ward and stake [regional] leaders — both men and women," with whom she has discussed her Ordain Women ties.
"I draw strength from serving in the ward and from worshipping with others in faith. I also have a temple recommend and love attending. It is another place where I draw strength and gain insight," Smith writes in an email. "I feel embraced by my ward members and well supported, but I know not everyone agrees. I'm OK with that. We all bring different gifts and ideas to the body of Christ. I do feel that I am watched for my reaction to feminist and priesthood ideas because of my OW affiliation. That can be hard, but I don't blame others for it. It comes with the territory."
Smith's main worry is that she will be forced to choose between her recommend and her resolve with the ordination movement.
"I feel strongly about both areas of my life," she says. "I have considered my involvement with OW very seriously, as I think most people do. I have prayed over it, pondered about it, and talked to many faithful friends and leaders about it. I feel strongly about women being ordained and feel guided to be involved in the conversations in and outside OW."
Misperceptions about the movement have surfaced on both sides, Smith says. "I continue to work with the genuine and caring supporters of OW in hopes to repair those misconceptions and move forward together as a church. I seek continual dialogue with my church leaders of all levels and with my fellow saints."
Amy Cartwright, of Calgary, Alberta, feels safer outside the Intermountain West, specifically Utah.
The week after Kelly got a notice of impending disciplinary action, Cartwright got a call from her LDS bishop, asking her to meet with him. She nervously awaited the day, wondering if her Ordain Women involvement — which her Mormon leaders knew about — would cause her ecclesiastical trouble.
No, she says with bemused relief, the bishop extended a "calling" (church assignment) to her.
"He felt I was in a different position than Kate," Cartwright says. "I found it heartening but also disheartening, because I don't see a huge degree of difference between me and Kate in terms of my goals."
The only thing that would prompt Cartwright to remove her OW profile is if she felt the group was moving in a direction that didn't feel right. "Currently," she says, "I am still on board."Next Page >
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Daddy Long Legs: Romantic Musical from Creators of Jane Eyre and Les Miserables
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We loved the show. The actors were very talented; esp the girl has a great voice. Our seats were excellent.
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The show was wonderful, didn't realize it was only 2 people carrying the entire show. The girl lead had a great voice and put lots of emotions into her singing. The staging was great- this is a must see feel good show. Remember the updated...continued
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Lovely singing and great performances. Only two actors, male and female. The venue is just the right size and the sound was clear. The seats that we got were great.
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Music & Lyrics by Paul Gordon
Book by John Caird
Based on the Novel by Jean Webster
Directed by John Caird
Presented in association with Cincinnati Playhouse in the Park, Rubicon Theatre Company, TheatreWorks, David Elzer and Michael Jackowitz
Scenery and Costume Design by David Farley
Lighting Design by Paul Toben
A musical by Tony and Olivier Award-winner John Caird (Nicholas Nickleby, Les Miserables_) and Tony nominee Paul Gordon (_Jane Eyre). Set in the early 1900s, this exquisitely moving story is the vivid account of a young orphan girl as she blossoms into a beautiful, intelligent and vivacious woman. A trustee of the John Grier Orphanage offers a proper education to the 18-year-old Jerusha. The benefactor's only requirements are that Jerusha never know his identity, and that she write him monthly (though he will not respond). She sees him once in shadows and invents a nickname for her mysterious patron–Daddy Long Legs. Her letters to him paint a moving portrait of her lonely life in the orphanage, and the development of her mind and spirit.


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***** Intruder Alarms, Third Edition. By Gerard Honey; published by Newnes (Elsevier), www.elsevier.com (Web); 368 pages; $39.95.
With this book, Gerard Honey updates his 2003 edition of the same title, keeping current with evolving standards while outlining the skills and tools necessary to install and maintain effective intrusion alarm devices and systems.
Honey fulfills his mission by presenting the types, uses, and ranges of intruder detection devices. Designers and installers will find informative sections on protective switches, detectors, and associated wiring. Especially noteworthy are tips for when not to use certain devices and installation precautions to take to avoid malfunctions. Readers with less experience, meanwhile, will benefit from device descriptions including advantages and disadvantages of each.
The book is not without shortcomings. In the age of the design-base threat, perimeter intrusion detection is often required as far from protected assets as possible. But due to application variables in perimeter-based systems and their often-customized design, Honey provides only a general overview.
The author focuses strictly on intrusion alarm systems and devices, omitting topics like integration of intrusion systems with other security systems such as video and access control. Discussion of this topic would be welcome in a fourth edition.
The book's extensive discussion of European standards is useful for those with international clientele, but a majority of American readers might be tempted to skip ahead. Nevertheless, it is interesting to note the significantly advanced European security standards regarding security equipment and suppliers. Many countries could learn a few things from the thorough British model.
This book is recommended for the reference library of security specialists, generalists, consultants, and designers alike, from those new to security engineering to the old salts of the intrusion detection sea.
Reviewer: James R. Black, CPP, PSP, CET (Certified Engineering Technologist), is an Irvine, California-based, senior security consultant for TRC, a multidiscipline infrastructure engineering firm with 95 offices nationwide. He is a member of ASIS International and the International Association of Professional Security Consultants.
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Braves visiting clubhouse manager John Holland, who's worked for the organization for more than four decades, on retiring Braves manager Bobby Cox:
"Bobby treats everybody with respect. Everybody Bobby meets is a friend.
"Being around him so long, we're good friends. We've done things outside of baseball; we've cut wood together. Yeah, he's one of my good friends. Someone I look up to, always have.
"When he was managing [the Braves] the first time, he made everything fun. He still makes everything fun. He makes you want to improve yourself. He makes you want to do a good job, not just for him but to take pride in what you're doing and go after what you want to do.
"When he was general manager, we had so much fun because when the team was on the road. He'd come down to the clubhouse or he'd call the clubhouse and say, 'Come on upstairs, let's sit and talk.'
"Since he's been back as manager, the years we've had together, everything's flown by. It's just been such a pleasure to work with Bobby. To work for him, work with him, be his friend, whatever.
"Like I said before, he's somebody you want to do anything in the world for, and you want to see all the success come to him. And you get mad if you hear somebody say something against him. I mean, it really … Sometimes you'll hear people say, 'Ah, he's cheerleading,' or whatever. And you're thinking, if those people were playing for Bobby, they'd be right there with him.
"He's behind his players, he's behind his people, all the way. Anybody. Everybody. He's behind them 100 percent. If something goes wrong he'll call you in and talk to you inside. He doesn't embarrass people. In fact, if he sees somebody being embarrassed, he takes issue with it. He doesn't like to see that.
"That's why [earlier this season], that thing with Fredi [Gonzalez, when Gonzalez was fired as Marlins manager]. Fredi's one of his guys, so Bobby was ready to fight. That's what is so special about him. And the players see that, and they see it from the other dugout, too.
"You can't count the number of times I've been in here [with visiting team players] and they can hear Bobby on the television – 'Come on, now,' – cheering, rah-rah, from the dugout. And the people who know what he's about, they say, 'I'd like to hear more of that. I'd like to be in that dugout.'
"And I've heard people say they like the way the Braves teams play the game. They play hard, but they play fair. It's none of those cheap tricks, showmanship one-upsmanship. The Braves don't do that. That's special, too. To be part of a group that is respected in that way. And that's all Bobby. It's all Bobby.
"Managers act differently. You see some managers try some psychological things to try to upset somebody. The Braves go out and play the game, and that's it. If you get beat, you get beat. If you win, you win. But you do it fairly."
Previous tributes:
September 29th, 2010
7:49 pm
Really enjoy these tributes… nice to hear from the insiders. Thanks!
September 29th, 2010
7:53 pm
I came on several times and posted how the braves were done and wouldn't win but a few games and miss the playoffs.
I will admit I was wrong and I am thankful to do so. I hope they continue to win and don't blow it now.
September 29th, 2010
8:25 pm
It ain't over 'til it's over, as Yogi would say, and I hope Bobby has about 15 more wins in his career.
Either way, he has brought hope and respectability to Atlanta Sports. No Atlanta team had been to a Championship game or series before the '91 World Series.
Tom Glavine brought up an excellent point: when the Braves were winning their division year after year the critics said "well, of COURSE he's winning with THOSE players and pitchers" and any year they didn't win the World Series it was Bobby's fault.
As we might say in the military? Whiskey – Tango – Foxtrot?
Bobby Cox is a Prince of a Baseball Man.
People who would criticize his baseball accumen would bad-mouth Mother Theresa's compassion or Abraham Lincoln's leadership.
September 29th, 2010
8:43 pm
The more of these I read the more I think Bobby is gonna be missed. Thanks Dave for the writing.
September 29th, 2010
10:10 pm
…say what you will about his team, I may even agree with some of it but he took them from worst to first the year I graduated from high school ….I was 33 years old before they fell out of first place.
Thanks Mr.Cox for making the best years of my life that much better…
September 29th, 2010
11:15 pm
Dave, these tributes represent some of the best reporting and writing I've seen in years of reading sports news. I agree with Sacks, the more I read, the more I know Bobby will be missed. Thanks for doing this.
September 29th, 2010
11:38 pm
I wouldn't bring up Abe Lincoln if I were you…
September 30th, 2010
1:10 am
The Braves and their true fans don't need fair-weather supporters like yourself. It's pathetic. Go root for the Phillies..you would fit in with their front-running fans. At least Mets fans stick by their team through tough times because we all know that if the Braves start struggling you will jump off the bandwagon as you've previously stated. Spoiled and pathetic. Loser.
September 30th, 2010
8:57 am
I also think these tributes are great. If 1/100 of the people I work with said anything remotely this nice about me when I retired I'd feel like I did a good job.
September 30th, 2010
12:59 pm
Everyone loves a winner ( or they should ). Bobby Cox turned around a terrible ballclub and put together a impressive string of division titles and World Series appearances. I remember going to a lot of games in the early 90's, the excitement, the chop, the whole thrill of having a winner. That is Bobby Cox.
September 30th, 2010
2:01 pm
I also really enjoy these tributes to Bobby from the people who really know him and I also really enjoyed reading the Bobby Cox Commemorative Program cover to cover with more tributes from players/managers/coaches/fans – very few people in the world have this many positive things said about them from so many different folks. It's just inspiring stuff.
September 30th, 2010
9:46 pm
John Holland is a class act himself. Almost 20 years ago I attended Braves Fantasy Camp. Long story, short… there was a small problem and John seemed to go out of his way to make it good. Casey Stevenson was there then, too, adn I think helped as I recall. I bet John could write one heckuva book. Thanks for nice tribute to Bobby Cox. The man is an Atlanta – and baseball – icon.
September 30th, 2010
10:53 pm
Bobby is da man. I will be there Saturday for his tribute, chopping my azz off. Chop! Chop!
October 1st, 2010
12:56 am
"Almost 20 years ago I attended Braves Fantasy Camp."
JA770, No, you didn't.
Atlanta Braves announce _inaugural_ Fantasy Camp January 2011
Or some moron college gradumate in the Braves PR dept doesn't know what "inaugural" means.
October 1st, 2010
10:01 am
Have enjoyed these very much, thanks Carroll and DOB.
October 1st, 2010
10:48 am
[...] John Holland [...]
October 1st, 2010
2:09 pm
John, though I have not been in the clubhouse since '85 I stand with you on your praise of Bobby. I have followed from afar but I will always be a Brave. Say hey to Don Shea for me!
October 2nd, 2010
5:45 pm
[...] John Holland [...]
October 4th, 2013
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First person Cox tribute: John Holland | Atlanta Braves
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Public Employee Pension Transparency Act - H.R. 567
The NFRW is proud to support Congressman Devin Nunes' (R-CA) Public Employee Pension Transparency Act to bring about a better understanding of the future insolvency of state and local retirement plans to American taxpayers.
Background: Currently, 7 million retirees receive benefits from state and local governments. In addition, 27 million Americans have been promised benefits.
Research shows the the state pension, health care and other retirement benefit plans are currently underfunded by $1 trillion. Other research suggests the plans could be underfunded by as much as $3.23 trillion.
Under the current disclosure guidelines, there is a lack of understanding about the value of state and local pension plan assets and liabilities which in turn hinders taxpayers from understanding the financial obligations of their government.
What does the legislation do? State and local pension plans will report two sets of information to the Secretary of Treasury which will be made available to the public on a website.
The first set of numbers will detail current public liabilities based on existing accounting methods-methods largely determined by the pension plan itself. The methods and assumptions used in this first set of numbers will also be reported.
The second set of numbers will detail the current pension liabilities but will do so using uniform guidelines. Those guidelines will include more realistic discount rates, as well as controls to assure assets are counted using a reasonable estimate of fair market value.
State and local governments that refuse to report their public pension liabilities will be denied the ability to issue federally tax-exempt bonds. Federal subsidies of state and local debt would remain unavailable until those entities comply with public pension transparency rules.
Congress would preempt any calls for a federal bailout by making a clear policy statement that the American taxpayer will not bailout state and local governments that have recklessly promised unaffordable benefits to their workers.
-Information courtesy of "Public Pension Reform: Transparency and No Bailouts" Office of Congressman Devin Nunes
Read the bill at www.thomas.gov
On the Hill
According to CNN, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) plans to form a presidential exploratory committee by June and plans to run for President in 2012.
In a video posted on his Facebook page, Gov. Tim Pawlenty announced the formation of his 2012 Presidential exploratory committee.
Rep. Joe Heck (R-NV) has said he will support Mitt Romney if he enters the 2012 Presidential playing field.
The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) has launched attacks on 10 Republican members through a grassroots attack and online action center. The Members include: Reps. Bill Young (FL), Allan West (FL), Dan Benishek (MI), Joe Heck (NV), Lou Barletta (PA), Blake Farenthold (TX), Paul Ryan (WI), Sean Duffy (WI), and David McKinley (WV).


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POULSBO, Wash.-- A large garage fire spread to an auto-body shop Monday morning in Poulsbo, near Highway 305 and Little Valley Road.
Firefighters responded to the scene at about 6 a.m. and found the garage completely engulfed in flames according to the Poulsbo Fire Department. The garage was completely destroyed and the shop was damaged according to fire crews. Neighbors said at least three vehicles, including a large commercial truck, were burnt in the fire.
Firefighters extinguished the fire in about 25 minutes, but remained on scene to ensure it did not spread to the dense brush surrounding the area.
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Best Ride in America Tournament: Spidey vs. Pirates semifinal
Written by Robert Niles
So it comes to this... after 59 match-ups, and more than 30,000 votes cast, we are down to the top four rides in the 'Best Ride in America' tournament. And much like this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament, the top four seeds are the ones to advance to the final four.Tweet
We will have the first semi-final match-up today, followed the the second tomorrow. And on Monday, the finalists will match up as you, Theme Park Insider readers, vote to select the Best Ride in America.
(1) The Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man: Universal's Islands of Adventure
From the TPI rating and reviews page: "A four-time winner for Best Attraction in the Theme Park Insider Awards, Spidey takes you on an adventure with the web-slinger as he tries to save the city. You ride in a bucking, spinning SCOOP Vehicle-- 3-D glasses night vision on your face -- through 11 scenes, escaping fireballs, 100-story drops and other mayhem."
(4) Pirates of the Caribbean: Disneyland
From the TPI rating and reviews page: "Pirates of the Caribbean raised the standards for all theme park dark rides when it opened in 1967, and endures today as the world's best family dark ride, as well as the inspiration for a hit movie trilogy. The popularity of the Pirates of the Caribbean movies has motivated the people at Disneyland to change the ride yet again. Instead of having the attacking pirates look for gold, they are now looking for Capt. Jack Sparrow."
Make your case for your favorite in the comments.... (And for those of you who joined us late, here are the previous votes/comments as well as the tournament bracket.)
Readers' Opinions
From Joshua Counsil on April 3, 2008 at 9:11 PM
Well, this could be a mixed bag if all those Disney fanboys show up from this site and others.
I chose Spiderman, but it was a tough choice. Robert - I'm interested in what you voted for, since you worked at Pirates.
From Ryan L on April 3, 2008 at 9:20 PM
I gotta go for Pirates. It created the ride, while Spider-man enhanced it to another degree, the original trumps it for me.
From Erik Cobbs on April 3, 2008 at 9:26 PM
This was a tough one. I picked Spidey. I just had so much fun on this ride. I find myself at Spidey all day long when I visit IOA.
Pirates at Disneyland is a great ride. I can do this ride a couple of times in a day. But I prefer Spidey.
BTW I think Robert voted for Pirates. He did call it the "This might be the perfect theme park ride" in his rating of the ride.
From Eric Malone on April 3, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Always have, and always will be, a Marvel Comics nut. While I do love Pirates of the Carribean, Spider-Man's going to top it every time. It's such a great ride. When the effects are all working (I seem to be lucky with this - they're always working when I'm there), the atmosphere and feeling is astounding.
So, while I don't ride Spider-Man as excessively as I do the coasters in IOA and Universal, Spidey is always on the list, and I make sure I set aside time for this ride.
From Robert Niles on April 3, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I... couldn't vote. For this first time in the tournament, I just haven't been able to decide which ride to support. I'm pretty sure that I want whichever ride wins today to win the whole thing, but I haven't yet decided which one of these two I prefer.
I did work at Pirates... at Disney World. And that ride pales in comparison to the DL classic. I also adore Spidey and what it has done to reinvigorate the world of attraction development.
Part of me would be depressed to bestow the title on a ride older than I am. But, let's face it, DL's PotC today is not the same ride as it was in 1967. The tech is far more advanced, the sound crisper and storyline more complex. Plus... there is no height restriction on Pirates. That should count for something. I'd love to see the best ride be one open to anyone. And Pirates is the only one standing that can offer that.
The last time we went out for my birthday, we celebrated it at the Blue Bayou, which should also reveal something about my love for this ride.
But... I worked at newspapers for over a decade, too. And so many notes that Spider-Man plays in its depiction of the news industry are pitch-perfect. The donuts on the desks on the queue kill me every single time.
The pacing. The effects. The story. It's non-stop, frenetic... and perfect. In fact, for my son's upcoming eighth birthday, he wants to go ride... Spider-Man. And I wholeheartedly agree. 'Cause I think that'd be a perfect way to spend a birthday, too.
To be honest, Spidey and Pirates are the only two rides that I've given "10"s to in ratings attractions on TPI.
I might have to sit this round out. Waaah!
From James Rao on April 3, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Pirates, especially at DL, is amazing, spectacular, sensational, and timeless.
But Spider-Man, well, so is he.
Spider-Man is the greatest comic book hero of all time, the greatest movie hero of all time, and the star of the greatest theme park attraction of all time.
The Amazing Spider-Man: keeping it real since 1963. Way to go, Spidey.
From Robert OGrosky on April 3, 2008 at 10:00 PM
I think the 4 finalists show, at least on this site that we perfer more in a attraction that the rush of a high/fast roller coaster.
I think these show that we here at least perfer a attraction that is all immersive, at least I know I do.
While a roller coaster is great, you cant beat a attraction that is themed from the beginning to the end.
And in this case IT IS REAALY tough, but by a very small dregree I will go for POTC.
From Sylvain Comeau on April 3, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I said before that I would probably vote for the old version of Pirates, not the Jack Sparrow-centred one. While the effects are better, the theming was not improved by turning it into a game of "where's waldo?" Therefore, I have to go for the ride that I jumped into 6 times when I was in Orlando, a more recent classic, Spiderman.
From Joshua Counsil on April 4, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Huh ... now I feel bad for voting for SpiderMan. Damn, Robert, can I retract my vote?
In a way, it's like choosing between an original screenplay movie and an adapted screenplay movie. Pirates is just ... something else. And Spidey remained faithful to the old SpiderMan puns, but with animation that blew me out of the water.
Pirates does get extra points for its all-age appeal (no height restrictions). Spidey gets points for its incredible special effects. I wish I could retract my vote, simply because Pirates has one thing that SpiderMan doesn't: age. It has been open for four times as long as SpiderMan, and STILL manages to be the fourth most popular attraction on this site.
So in the end, they're about even. Yes, they really are perfect attractions and I'd consider them, along with Tower, to be the best that theme parks have to offer.
Oh, James - you think SpiderMan is the greatest screen action hero? Better than Indy or Bond, or for politically charged roles, Atticus Finch et. al.? He was so emo in the third film. Blecch. No offense, just ... DC's movies so far reign supreme over Marvel's.
From James Rao on April 4, 2008 at 3:57 AM
Joshua, I am biased a bit towards Spidey because he was the first comic book hero I followed with any consistency. I still have every issue of every Spider-Man series that was published from about 1980 to 1990, as well as many of the better back issues. I haven't read comics in years (it is even more geeky for a man my age to read comics than it is for a man my age to blog about theme parks!), but the impact of Spider-Man and his "with great power comes great responsibility" mantra still resonates.
As for movie heroes, Indy had one great film (so far), Batman had a decent first attempt (except for the Prince songs) and a great reimagining with the ultimate dark crusader, Christain Bale, and Superman has been very hit or miss over the years, but is trending up. Smallville, on the very small screen of the CW, is very much a rip off of the early years of Spider-Man with all the drama and high school angst that made the Amazing Spider-Man so popular throughout the years.
I will stand Spider-Man 1 & 2 up against ANY of the hero movies just mentioned, and X-Men 1 & 2 certainly places. Marvel seems to have the most trouble with third moves (both Spidey 3 and X-Men 3 choked). And while money can be no judge, the more than one billion in combined domestic grosses made by the three Spider-Man movies completely demolishes any franchise DC has ever attempted to film (incidentally, the combined grosses of the POTC movies ARE in that 1 billion dollar range, too).
But I digress, this website is all about theme parks, and I think most of us can agree that the two greatest theme park attractions of all time are facing each other today. And like the real NCAA basketball tournament, once you get to the final four, there are no real losers, just one winner and three second place finishers.
All the attractions in the final four are uber. What we choose in these last two rounds is going to be largely determined by the iconic appeal of the attraction's star, whether it be Spider-Man, Jack Sparrow, Twilight Zone, or Indiana Jones.
Out of that bunch, all other things being equal, Spider-Man is...well....my hero! =)
From Don Neal on April 4, 2008 at 7:08 AM
What an awesome tournament. This is why we do this for basketball, it all comes down to this! Spidey for the win! :)
Thanks for doing this Robert!
From Dan Babbitt on April 4, 2008 at 7:08 AM
I've still got my top two seeds in play with spidey and the Tower still chugging along!
From Bradley Robertson on April 4, 2008 at 7:41 AM
I don't think either should have made it this far but I voted for Pirates over Spidey.
From Scottland Jacobson on April 4, 2008 at 8:06 AM
They're both winners.
But...we have to vote. I thought "if these rides were both in the same park and I had time to only ride one of them...which would I choose?"
As I thought about it, I imagained the overall feelings that I get from each ride. Spidey makes me anxious and excited, but Pirates gives me this all encompassing other-world "zen" feeling.
Surprisingly, I went with Pirates...
From Lee Mak on April 4, 2008 at 8:17 AM
Spidey vs Pirates has arrived...I, being a disney fan, voted Spidey, and I am of sound mind(this can be debated, though). I have been going to disney for 30 years and I must say that Pirates is a must see everytime I go and I usually ride it more than once each time I am there. It just feels like home. The popularity of the movies aside, I am a descendant of pirate blood. My paternal great-grandfather was a privateer for Greece in the late 1800's, with license to sack Turkish ships in the Aegean. His Son was Captain in the Greek Navy, my father is a charter ship captain, and I am an avid boater and obviously, a massive Jimmy Buffett fan...it truely is a pirates life for me(this is not fabricated). All of this in my history, I still voted Spidey.
The ride is the essence of this tournament. Although I enjoy theme rides and the immersion that the atmosphere brings, I am a thrill seeker, Disney or not. Spidey has all the theme elements of a world-class attraction and it also has the thrills taboot. Without a doubt...hands down winner in the finals as I see it.
From Phillip Florendo on April 4, 2008 at 9:27 AM
I've ridden Pirates at Disneyland tens of times. I've never been to Orlando since 1996, so I've never ridden Spider-Man ever. I voted for Spider-Man, though. Why? Because people here go crazy-go-nuts whenever a Disney ride upsets a non-Disney ride. Don't wanna see this website explode.
From Robert Niles on April 4, 2008 at 9:34 AM
Scottland's great suggestion almost got me voting for Pirates... until I realized that I'd been to IoA since I've been to Disneyland, so the real reason I was picking Pirates in that scenario was because it was the ride I had not ridden most recently.
That struck me as a pretty bogus, and random, reason to choose one over the other, so I am back to my previous state of decision paralysis.
From Joshua Counsil on April 4, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Very cool history lesson, Lee. I guess the attraction that best describes my past is Splash Mountain, since our family has a history back to the days of cotton. Or Journey to Atlantis, since most of our history has disappeared.
James - I like your analogy of the icons representing the final four (Indy, Spidey, Capt. Jack et al.), though you forgot one of the biggies: Rod Serling, host of the Twilight Zone. And for me, he is the most iconic.
I think that Tower would get my vote out of all these attractions, and I'll tell you why. Like Scottland, I judge many of my votes on the feeling I get while riding them. Inexplicably, I get this incredible feeling when I hop into the boats on Jaws, or the trains on Everest. It just feels like I'm really going on an adventure, and the ability to capture that feeling within artificial surroundings is truly amazing.
The first time our family walked into the Tower of Terror queue, my nerves cringed with excitement of the unknown. That old Hollywood jazz music softly playing in the thorn bushes still sends shivers down my spine. The lobby took us all by surprise, as it was so realistically dilapidated. And being Twilight Zone fans, we were really taken aback with all the props from different episodes scattered about, including the glasses from my dad's favorite: Time Enough at Last (where the last man on earth saves his sanity by discovering a library, but then drops and breaks his glasses).
The cast members add to the creepiness (unless you're unlucky enough to catch them on a bad day), and the digital recreation of Rod Serling is impeccable, truly one of the most impressive and under-appreciated pre-show elements ever created. WDW Magic has a great article on how they accomplished this feat: http://www.wdwmagic.com/tower_marksilverman_interview.htm
And before the ride had even started, we were blown away. I get that feeling from very few attractions, that feeling of pure excitement and even, after all the times I've ridden, fear. No other attraction in the final four has given me that incredible feeling before I even got on the ride.
From Arica Woodhouse on April 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM
I'm a huge PotC fan, let alone Disney fanatic. I get cravings for Disney, which is unfortunate considering I live in Seattle. I went there several times a year as a kid when I lived in S. Cali, so it's become the ultimate symbol of my childhood, and every time I'm there, I feel like I'm home. Sometimes, I'll catch of whiff of what I call "Disney water", you know, that distinct smell of any attractions they have that includes water, and I'm instantly transported to Pirates. Needless to say, I surprised myself when my instinct was to choose Spidey over Pirates.
Perhaps it's that I've been on Pirates so many times I can close my eyes and vision the entire ride without missing a single scene. Maybe it's because I'm bitter about all of the changes they've made to it (first the "chasing food, not women", now to theme in the movies).
I believe, however, that what won it over was the feeling I had after riding Spidey for the first time. I went in with little knowledge of what I was getting into, having not read much into IoA, and was completely floored by the ride. I have never laughed more on a Theme Park ride, and I've been on a lot. The multiple times my brother and I rode it, we both emerged all smiles, ready for another trip. I haven't found another ride to evoke such giddiness yet, and while Pirates is nostalgic and fantastically themed, Spidey is definitely the better ride, and it alone has me wanting to visit Florida again.
From James Rao on April 4, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Josh, I am also a huge fan of Serling, the Twilight Zone, and to a lesser extent, Night Gallery, and I would not be at all upset if Tower of Terror takes the tournament (how about that alliteration!). But again, at this point, I am not sure it matters which attraction wins....just being named to the final four should be victory enough.
From Amanda Jenkins on April 4, 2008 at 12:11 PM
This was tough, but I had to go with my earliest memories of falling in love with theme parks, which led me to choose Pirates. I remember the first time I rode it when I was six years old and was just amazed. Now, nearly 23 years later, I recently found an old photo of me on the ride just with a look of awe on my face. That memory alone made me have to vote for Pirates.
From Mostly Anonymous on April 4, 2008 at 12:23 PM
That's a good point that Pirates is the only ride left that all ages (and all medical conditions) can ride!
Spiderman may be a great attraction, but only for people over 40" that are healthy and have good eyesight that lets them see 3D projections.
From Mark Hollamon on April 4, 2008 at 12:37 PM
I love Pirates, but nostalgia only goes so far. Spidey is in a class by itself!
From Justin Spisto on April 4, 2008 at 3:17 PM
I've said it before. Im stickin with Spidey. Its just to good a ride.
From Larry Zimmerman on April 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Dead men tell no tales!
From Kyawt Tin on April 4, 2008 at 5:46 PM
PotC gets my vote as a great ride that all ages can experience and enjoy. One gets to navigate a real, not mostly virtual, environment without plastic glasses.
From Robert OGrosky on April 5, 2008 at 10:30 AM
If we were going to vote on strictly ICON's then we would have to vote for Terminator 3D!!!!!! as Terminator is the best of them all!!!
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They should only do something if they can fix it without re-granting insta-Gladiator to Feral Druids again like a few months ago.
I completely agree, kitty dps is insanely low compared to the other classes/specs. Every single class has a dps spec above feral on stateofdps.com and some have two, including druids. I don't PvP at all but we aren't viable in either PvE or PvP at this point and Blizzard is just ignoring the feral community like we're the plague.
They should fix this problem by deleting rated PVP from the game.
Some classes being "insta-gladiators" wasn't a real problems when DK's, warriors, rogues, mages, priests etc could do it for entire expansions but as soon as it was feral druids it was just too much.
/roll eyes.
Seriously, after the nerfs ferals can't break fear, can't break roots, bear self-healing is a joke, and people are still afraid of ferals? I have seen DK self-healing keep pace with full dots now that people actually have resil gear.
Stop being bad.
I think the only "problem" with kitty dps is that its actually one of the only classes left that actually takes some skill to play. Yes, usually i can assume that the kitty druids that I get matched to in randoms are going to suck, but I have also been seriously impressed with the amount of dps from kitty druids that know how to play their class.
.. also.. Feral DPS isn't low because it takes skill to play... it's low because kitties suck horribly at the moment.
Go check out some WOL parses, even the best cats are doing very poorly, even on bosses where the mechanics a well suited for them.
With better gear Cats will only fall further behind. With 4.1 skills and ilvl 372 gear cats are the worst dps spec (yes, even behind specs like frostmage or sub rogue). With Firelands gear (4.2) things will be even worse, due to poor scaling.


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Four Seasons Hotel San Francisco provides choice aplenty thanks to a large selection of attractive rooms. If you're looking for the ultimate in hotel experiences, a stay in this 5-star property is strongly recommended. Accessible within a short radius from this location, AT&T Park and War Memorial Opera House can be reached on foot. TransAmerica Pyramid, Transbay Train Terminal and City Hall can be reached following a short walk from here. This hotel has many points of interest close by, for example Coit Tower. If you're in town for a conference in Moscone Center, its accessible on foot from here.
In addition to the bedrooms, a restaurant is part of Four Seasons Hotel San Francisco. If you can't contain your need for water-based activities, an indoor swimming pool is also available. Facilities that contribute to your wellbeing include a sauna, a spa/wellness center and a steam room. If you forgot something at home, don't worry, there is a gift shop on the premises. Particularly interesting for today's business traveler: the presence of a conference space alongside a business center. Decide which one of the 277 rooms is best for your stay. Bringing your pet is no problem at this accommodation. A paid valet parking service is part of the options you could benefit from when staying here.
The rooms of Four Seasons Hotel San Francisco have air-conditioning. A housekeeping service is just one of the services that complement the rooms here. Rooms are equipped with a DVD/VCR player. The rooms here have wired high-speed Internet access (surcharge). The beds in the rooms here are fitted with a hypo-allergenic bedding set (upon request) and a Premium bedding set.
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