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ATK/CI/CC and the potato salad debacle
- toutefrite Jul 28, 2008 04:56 PM
Sorry if this is posted elsewhere. I got onto this through another site, and was fully entertained all afternoon reading the comments. I think that Cook's Illustrated must be a pretty unhappy place at the moment.
That was amazing and disgusting and mindboggling. Thanks for sharing that link. I'm shaking my head in disbelief at those stooopid ATK folks -- and it may not be Chris Kimball. My god, if you think what that blogger did was pilfering, take a look at Martha Steward, infamous for copying recipes without attribution.
There is something so UNwholesome about the online triumvirate of ATK/CI/CC. Years ago I went hunting for a recipe and they demanded an email address. I had always walked away when confronted with this kind of strong arming but I really wanted the recipe. I coughed it up and soon after asked to be removed from their spam list. I asked three times to no avail and finally had to block them at the ISP level as they cleverly slid through my spam filters. It left such a bad taste I pretty much avoid anything to do with them.
I finally had to block ATK emails at the ISP level.
Funnily enough I can't remember which recipe I 'had to have.'
The more and more we hear things, the more this company's reputation plummets. On top of which they seem to have a Jekyll and Hyde aura to them. I'm tempted to stop watching their television show -- which I really enjoy -- because of the unctuous ways they handle all their other ventures.
re: HarryK
Customer service there is absymal. I attempted to cancel my online subscription to CI. It literally took me months of emails, phone calls and letters to obtain a proper credit to my credit card. And talk about attitude! I think that this "Deborah" person is the corporate role model for customer service. I will not give CI, CC or ATK any more of my business, no thank you. I am so over this whole company and CK's phony country hick schtick.
Wow. This just shows what complete idiots they are at Cooks Illustrated!
I found it interesting that the publicity company shut the conversation down after the blogger wrote her: "However, I was just informed by a wonderful cook friend that lists of ingredients are not copyrighted, only method. So I know how to avoid the land mines next time, yes? Later." Looks like Deborah Publicity Lady knew that the blogger had it right - and just said "Stop Emailing me."
And their list of ingredients is nothing special - all this brouhaha over nothing. Yowza, that publicity company really doesn't get it when they've pissed someone off, it gets back out there hundredfold on the various blogs and message boards, doesn't it? Yet one other reason to avoid ATK/CI/CC like the plague if they attempt additional strong-arming like this and their collection agency.
I love that the blogger re-posted the recipe for the potato salad saying "INSPIRED BY (UGH) you know who and you know from where... f***ers". :-)
This little story seems to confirm that the Kimble Konglomerate is rotten beyond its marketing department. That's sad, because for the most part I think that they have a good product.
On a more general note, the story is an example of a company's not understanding the way that information and opinions move around in the modern world. As the blogger points out, what she was doing could only have helped. She was getting the word out about them, and implicitly endorsing them to her readers, who presumably value her opinions. It's hard to buy publicity that good. Now, if the blogger had been creating a free searchable index of ATK recipes, that would be another thing entirely.
re: mhoffman
I think someone else had it right, it's the bow-tie thing. It's a well-established medical fact that if you wear them too often it restricts the amount of blood flow to the brain and causes confusion and irrationality.
re: mhoffman
It's not really a question of understanding communications. It's intimidation and misdirection as a matter of policy. Companies have to be able to prove that they aggresively defend their trademarks and copyrights or they could lose legal use of them in a real court case. That causes no end of frustration for small businesspeople (and bloggers) who get caught up by companies overstepping their bounds. The aggresive defenders count on the fact that the small business person won't know their legal rights and will be cowed into giving in.
The Spouse, who is an attorney, and his co-workers have no end of stories about clients being bullied by companies with attitude. The only answer is to know your rights and, when you're in the right, tell them where to stick their Cease & Desists! (Also know that they have more money than you and a law firm on retainer. It pays to know when to stop being the hero.)
re: rockycat
I know very little about defending copyrights, so I'll defer to your expertise. However, if what ATK is doing is just good business practice, then the system that incentivises this behavior is really messed up.
re: mhoffman
>>"This little story seems to confirm that the Kimble Konglomerate is rotten beyond its marketing department. That's sad, because for the most part I think that they have a good product."<<
my feelings exactly. i wish someone with a crappier magazine/cookbooks would pull this kind of stuff.
I agree, they probably have bigger badder attorneys, but that is just too sad and misfortunate that they allowed this Deborah woman to carry on such an immature email conversation that is being posted everywhere. Deborah was absolutely condescending and egging the blogger on to confront her with her "obviously you're having a had day...etc" crap.
With such a nasty tone and to assume the blogger was having a bad day? Unbelievable and I find it really funny that Deborah is so confident to proudly announce her tenure. What is even funnier to me, is that the cooks in the test kitchen make 100 attempts to test a recipe to get it right? Someone at that organization needs to step in and trim the fat.
Another tip would be, perhaps the IT department at ATK can help Deborah figure out how to block unwanted email rather than allowing her to make such an ass out of herself and the company she has worked at for 14 years. Just unbelieveable, and I'm so glad I am no longer a subscriber.
But really, is the recipe any good?
re: chef chicklet
Deborah came off sounding like a petty person with a boring job who gets her jollies by throwing around the weight of the Big Publisher legal department. I hope she's enjoying be trashed up one side of the information superhighway and down the other for her snotty attitude.
re: Ruth Lafler
hoo ha! That's an image to remember... "up one side of the information superhighway and down the other for her snotty attitude." I wouldn't mind being trashed with such sass!
I think that the best thing to come out of this is the massive support that the blogger received from her online community. She herself seemed taken aback by it, and it is rather heartwarming in the face of such irresponsible, unprofessional correspondence sanctioned by the bowtie crew. I wrote the company citing this debacle as the reason why they will no receive my business, and reassuring them that I will actively encourage my acquaintances to make their own choice in light of this incident.
I thought the conversation was somewhat immature on both sides -- not that the CI author had a leg to stand on.
Regarding the larger issue at hand - I publish recipes often, and will use established recipes as a guide for ratios*. (For potato salad, I might note the potato to mayo ratio, or in baking, the flour to baking powder, etc.) These aren't things I know intuitively and I am too lazy to do trial and error on the basic stuff. I then modify the recipe according to my tastes, and totally rewrite the procedures after I do them -- I almost always find an easier/more interesting way to do some part of it.
So, whose recipe is it? Of course, I feel it is mine. I do have this irrational fear that if I ever retest & modify them to publish in book format I'll subconsciously revert back to the original recipe somehow and be unethical -- but even if I did it exactly, it wouldn't be copyright infringement.
* ETA: I have to say that it is perhaps ironic that I have & would not look to CI to model my recipes on -- their recipes do somehow seem more propriatary (sp) than others, which is something that they obviously try to cultivate. I will also say that while I used to find their narratives interesting, I got tired of them after a couple of years. (Sometimes when slogging through the "we tried this and we tried that," I just wanted to say, "Get on with it!").
I would argue that it is really the narrative about their recipes that they are selling and the idea that the recipes are a sort of perfect manifestation of their type. I have never found them to live up to the promise, however.
Wow. Someone was really unclear on the concept. The magazine asked that (1) the blogger not use their recipe without permission, and (2) the blogger not modify the recipe. But if someone modifies their recipe, then IT'S NOT THEIR RECIPE ANYMORE, thus permission is not required. What part of that do they not understand?
I can see them being upset if someone modifies the recipe and then says it's the magazine's -- that would be putting their name and reputation on the line for a potentially inferior recipe. But hassling her when she clearly said that she'd modified their recipe is so far beyond ridiculous they can't see ridiculous in their rearview mirror.
re: Ruth Lafler
The thing that makes this whole issue truly laughable is that entire premise of ATK is based on doing the exact same thing they are accusing the blogger of doing. They brag about it in the opening of every show. Their test kitchen tries dozens of different recipes for that weeks' topic, they decide none of them are any good, they figure out where they all went wrong and then proceed to show you their perfect recipe. Isn't that exactly what they are accusing this poor blogger of doing? The only difference is that the blogger was nice enough to give them credit for the original failed recipe. ATK has never done that in any episode I have seen. I guess we all know why now.
re: DDR4040
Oh, that is rich! Love the irony!
Yes, ATK always reviews the recipes that didn't quite work and why at the beginning of the TV show, and then corrects them.
re: DDR4040
"The only difference is that the blogger was nice enough to give them credit for the original failed recipe. "
and i suspect therein lies the heart of the matter. the cook's country recipe turned out to be inferior, and this fool, deborah, was trying to save face by threatening the blogger who exposed their crappy potato salad.
the entire situation is moronic.
i've never seen this particular blog before today, but it's now included in my folder of bookmarked food blogs because the author absolutely earned my respect the way she brought this out in the open.
ETA: on today's page, melissa [the blogger involved in the ATK debacle] posted a link to this washington post interview with chris kimball. i won't even begin to comment because i have a response to pretty much everything he said. feel free to judge for yourselves, but personally i think he comes across as a pompous fool with his head up his ass...
re: goodhealthgourmet
Wow! What an arrogant, dogmatic, pompass a** ! I took issues with pretty much everything he said. Contrary to most posters here on this board, I never liked the recipes from Cook's Illustrated. And they won't stop sending me that same damn issue for Cook's Country!
re: goodhealthgourmet
EEEKKKK! I am so amazed, what a bonehead. What planet is he from anyway?
re: goodhealthgourmet
Is he for real??
While I agree you have to be smart about cooking, it really does come from the heart. You have to love it or it will never be any good. And love comes from the heart, not the head.
TBH, I thought he came off like a real Jack Ass.
"I think the gourmet cooking thing is over. That happened in the '70s"
re: goodhealthgourmet
Good lord, what a sanctimonious twit he is. Someone needs to tie that bowtie a bit tighter to shut him up.
Just because *he* says his recipe is perfect doesn't mean it is to anyone else! Everyone's tastes are different. Obviously, since the blogger chose to alter it.
Articles like that just make me glad I never bought anything from CI other than "The Best Recipe" cookbook (and bought that at B&N, so no harassment from CI to subscribe to the magazine!). I've used it once. I found their overly detailed, long-winded descriptions of why this is the only way to do something very offputting. They talk down to people and seem to find that OK.
re: LindaWhit
"Articles like that just make me glad I never bought anything from CI other than "The Best Recipe" cookbook "
between this article & that ridiculous to-do over the blog posting, i'm pretty sure i won't renew my CI subscription...although i'm sure they'll try to continue to charge me for it. it also irks me that i finally broke down a few months ago & purchased a couple of those damn cookbooks for myself & my mom.
i stopped watching ATK on TV a while ago because something about chris kimball gave me the creeps...and now i certainly don't want to watch him again!
re: DDR4040
That's kinda my point. If the recipe was so bloody perfect why did the blogger feel she needed to alter it??
And Ruth is Right. I heard Michael Smith (Chef at Home/Large, The Inn Chef) once say to make a recipe as writen, see how you liked it, then make the changes to suit your tastes and it's yours.
I love ATK and my CI books and magazines but these people are down right sleezy. I'm really considering never giving them a cent of my money again.
PS, FWIW, I wouldn't have bothered to credit CI for the recipe or if I had would've said it was inspired by.
As someone who spent 18 months writing response emails to people who had initially contacted my company to complain about services rendered, I'm pretty amazed at the exchange. Never, Never, NEVER should Deborah have participated in any of that exchange. Her job was simply to ask the blogger to remove the recipe and to explain the rules, THAT'S IT. Her responses were self-indulgent, condescending, and very unprofessional. It doesn't matter if the blogger was being (perhaps) a bit petty.
That said, I think CI must be so possessive of their recipes because they don't have enough. I've stopped purchasing their cookbooks because they're all the same. (no, wait! This is the really, really, REALLY best recipe!)
re: sebetti
That's one of the reasons I stopped getting the magazine; they were repeating themselves. Almost as much as Kimball repeats himself in his "golly I'm really not a twit I'm a manly hunting mapling Vermonter" editorials.
re: jmckee
"golly I'm really not a twit I'm a manly hunting mapling Vermonter"
The state of Vermont is SO screwed if that's the case. ;-)
re: Sherri
She must work in the Department of Redundancy Departmet.
re: Davwud
Thanks for my morning laugh! I just made coffee and sat down to read the latest posts; am mopping up the keyboard right now. The Department of Redundancy Department is bloody brilliant!
re: Sherri
Glad I could be of...er... help!!
re: Davwud
My favorite redundancy was a woman interviewer who said to her guest "Tell me about your upcoming programs coming up and your ongoing programs going on." I had that one tacked on the board in my (editorial) office for a long time. I'm also a fan of the phase "win a victory."
re: Ruth Lafler
I love the sports casters who say that a team has "Won their last seven in a row."
re: Davwud
The ever-popular weather-person reporting "Tonight's temperature will be dropping down ....."
What? Does it usually drop UP? ACROSS? THROUGH? (choose preposition of choice) Drop down indeed!
My husband is always amused while I shout corrections at the television set.
re: Sherri
You know that person has "A great future ahead of them". As opposed to behind them.
re: Sherri
I too laughed at your remark last night, if nothing else, Deborah sure makes a great butt for a joke eh?
The whole thing kinda sucks, but I really love CI so I give them some slack. Who else tests a recipe a million times? Whenever I make one of their recipes( and I have a whole slew of them I make over and over), I know they'll work. I know it will be the best version( that I've ever tasted too).
They have a program called Friends of Cook's where you can sign up to test recipes that will be published in future issues. So many of those people just go right ahead and post them in their foodblog. They'll get an email from CI asking them to take it down and they can't believe it.
re: Calipoutine
With all due respect calipoutine. I in this case just can cut them any slack. The person that started this thread was letting us know about a certain Deborah person that is spouting off crap and being a bully.
That unfortunately doesn't have a lot to do with Cooks, but regardless it's guilty by association. The fish stinks from the head down, and Christopher Kimbell is a jerk and if you think he is unaware that the whole blogger incident didn't happen, then read the piece associate with the link above that goodhealthgourmet provides. There is something wrong when you think you are untouchable, unreachable, and so above all that you don't have a worry. He doesn't interview as if he is "with it", and his arrogance is only outdone by his ignorance.
re: chef chicklet
I read the interview. He is who he is, I dont think he tries to pretend he is someone else. Personally, I dont care about his views, his arrogance whatever. All I really care about is the food.
Btw, how was the Pineapple Upside down cake?
re: Calipoutine
Sorry it failed, I must of done something wrong, it was full of juice. Probably the fresh pineapple was so juicy and when it was cooked, it just let the rest of its juice go. Oh but it got eaten, it was gone that day. Next time maybe not suce a ripe pineapple. ( I did leave you a messge in the that thread, but I couldn't find it again?)
re: chef chicklet
Or maybe there was something wrong with the recipe ;-)


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2013 Theme Park Insider Tournament: Pirates of the Caribbean vs. Haunted Mansion
Written by Robert Niles
Let's kick off the 2013 Theme Park Insider Tournament with a match-up of Disney classics. Both Pirates of the Caribbean and Haunted Mansion debuted in the late 1960s in Disneyland's New Orleans Square. Over the years, they've grown into entertainment franchises, with Pirates inspiring a billion-dollar-plus film series, and duplicate attractions opening all over the world.
Pirates debuted in 1967, the first major attraction to open after Walt Disney's death in 1966. Over the years, Disney's tweaked the ride here and there, most notably to add characters from the Pirates of the Caribbean films, in 2006 and again in 2011. Based on the ride's overwhelming popularity, Disney killed plans for a Western River Expedition attraction at Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom, in favor of building an abbreviated version of Pirates for that park in 1973.
Mansion opened in 1969, following a six-year delay after its facade was completed in 1963. But it's the Walt Disney World Magic Kingdom version of the Haunted Mansion, which opened with that park in 1971, that wins Theme Park Insiders' votes as the best of the Haunted Mansions. While I love walking into the front door of Disneyland's antebellum mansion (as well as the descending stretch rooms), I've got to concede that the additional scenes in the Magic Kingdom's version give it an edge. Perhaps that's why when it was time to bring the Haunted Mansion to Tokyo Disneyland, Disney chose the Orlando version.
Of course, Disney also chose the Anaheim version of Pirates for Tokyo, although Disney did choose to have riders exit before the lift, as in Orlando. Perhaps this is the heuristic we should use for answering whether the Disney World or Disneyland version of a ride is the better one: Which one did Disney install in Tokyo? In other words, when we debate Anaheim vs. Orlando, the answer pretty much always should be… Tokyo. But I digress. ;^)
Along with It's a Small World, another 1960s Disney product, Pirates and Mansion defined for generations of theme park fans what a dark ride could be -- immersive setting, richly detailed scenes, strong characters and engaging music tying everything together. Fans often also throw strong narrative onto that list, but I believe that it was the initial absence of a strong narrative on Pirates and Mansion that helped make both attractions so compelling. These are impressionistic attractions -- a collection of active scenes that invites, even demands, that you impose a narrative upon them. And that is what draws us so deeply into these rides -- they inspire our imaginations. Just why the heck are they dunking Carlos, anyway?
Over the years, Disney hasn't been able to resist the lure of imposing narrative on these rides, and we've seen the official backstory for each ride grow over time (not to mention the addition of film characters). But that's not kept these rides from continuing to inspire new generations of riders.
Disneyland's Pirates:
Magic Kingdom's Mansion:
Despite Pirates consistently placing above Mansion in the Theme Park Insider reader ratings, Mansion holds a two-to-one lead in head-to-head match-ups in previous Theme Park Insider tournaments. Who will win this year's contest? It's up to you to decide:
Tomorrow: Amazing Adventures of Spider-Man vs. Revenge of the Mummy
Readers' Opinions
From Brian Emery on March 4, 2013 at 12:18 PM
Capt Jack Sparrow… "But you have heard of me"…
From Michael Owen on March 4, 2013 at 12:21 PM
Got to go for Pirates in this one, though both are fantastic examples of quality dark rides.
From Jay Ubilla on March 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM
Yo ho yo ho... A pirate's life for me..
From Dan Heaton on March 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM
This is nearly impossible. Disneyland's Pirates is such an amazing ride and one million times better than Florida. Of course, Paris might top them both. Even so, I have to pick Haunted Mansion here. The effects and immersion into the story is beyond anything else.
From Dominick D on March 4, 2013 at 12:27 PM
Can only speak on the MK counterparts, but Haunted Mansion is my favorite dark ride, so I'm going with that.
From Mike Gallagher on March 4, 2013 at 12:31 PM
I said I probably wouldn't do much voting, but I did here, since I've been on both rides in Florida...actually, I might even have been on both at Disneyland too, but if I did, it was on my only visit in 1979, so they've faded from memory. They're my two favorite attractions at MK...since 20,000 Leagues is gone. I voted for HM.
From David Kirby on March 4, 2013 at 12:37 PM
Did you HAVE to start the tournament with my 2 favorite rides? You're a cruel man.
From Joe Schwartz on March 4, 2013 at 12:43 PM
A very tough vote. I love them both. I went with the Haunted Mansion only because I think the story line is a little better and I love the begining of the attraction a lot better than Piretes.
From 188.8.131.52 on March 4, 2013 at 12:47 PM
I love them both a lot but the additions to Pirates killed the ride for me. I love the movies but I don't care for the butchering of the original ride where I was able to tell my own story.
Haunted is updated and changed over the year but they kept the essence. Not even the terrible interactive que could spoil that for me.
From 126.96.36.199 on March 4, 2013 at 12:54 PM
I like the Haunted Mansion and am always happy to go on it, but it isn't a trip to Disneyland without riding Pirates at least once, if not multiple times.
From 184.108.40.206 on March 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM
The Disneyland version of Pirates is incredible and was my favorite ride as a little kid, and the Florida version is really not that much in comparison, however, I had to vote for the Haunted Mansion for incredible mixture of dark and funny. If you take both rides from both parks the Haunted Mansion definitely wins.And to this day if I look back and try to think of one thing that truly amazed me when I first went to Disneyland it was the ghost effect in the Haunted Mansion. Pure brilliance!
From 126.96.36.199 on March 4, 2013 at 1:38 PM
In the era of "story story STORY" at WDI, where everything down to the urinals needs to have a background narrative, it is worth noting that these two undisputed classics are (as Robert noted) more impressionistic and dreamlike without a distinct storyline. It would be interesting to see the current crop of Imagineers attempt something more along these lines.
From Andrew Carrieri on March 4, 2013 at 2:21 PM
Voted for the Haunted Mansion because I like the pacing and sets (effects) better. Both are great attractions though, with great soundtracks :D.
From edwin roman on March 4, 2013 at 2:29 PM
Haunted mansion. Scared my kids for years! I love the scares and trust me a tuff vote as I love the pirates...2 of the best..
From James Rao on March 4, 2013 at 2:39 PM
Sadly, most voters in this contest have likely only experienced WDW's lame version of Pirates which absolutely does not hold a candle to any version of the Haunted Mansion.
However, in my humble but pompously and nasally blathered opinion, Disneyland's PotC is the greatest theme park attraction ever built (and the last one overseen by Walt himself). Longer than WDW's version, a little more thrilling, and traversing the Blue Bayou with its not-so-healthy Monte Cristo sandwich, DL's PotC is a true whole-family experience - a veritable masterpiece of animatronics, story, and song. It is an attraction that transcends age, gender, nationality, theme park bias, and time. Of all the attractions in this tournament, PotC is the only one that I am sure will still be standing in 2067 (its 100th anniversary). If you look up the word "classic" in the dictionary, DL's PotC is used as an example.
This contest is easy. I'll take Disneyland's Pirates and a Monte Cristo without a second of regret (and just a tiny bit of indigestion).
From Rob Pastor on March 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM
Very tough choice. Two excellent attractions. But, it seems I discover something different I didn't notice before, each time I ride Haunted Mansion. So a vote for repeat rides takes it over the top.
From Bryce McGibeny on March 4, 2013 at 2:50 PM
Having experienced the WDW Haunted Mansion, but not the DL Pirates of the Caribbean, my vote may seem off. However, I did watch the video of Pirates, which led me to vote for it. The attraction is long and rich in detail. I love, love, love the beginning as the boat goes through the bayou. Though, the two drops really is what gives Pirates the edge for me. Even though I would not deem the attraction as "thrilling", I still love a little thrill, and Pirates seems to supply that.
I long for the day that I can experience Pirates of the Caribbean at Disneyland.
From Jay R. on March 4, 2013 at 3:04 PM
Hmm, this is tough. I guess I'm a bit different because while I enjoy both of these attractions, neither rates near the top for me.
I actually prefer the nightmare overlay for mansion over the original.
With all that said.....I'm going with pirates!!
From Brent Moody on March 4, 2013 at 3:30 PM
Went with HM on this one. Sorry but I just do not get that PotC is the greatest ride ever built thing. I have been on both the WDW version and the DL version and neither one do I think is the greatest ride ever. I think if a lesser known theme park like Siver Dollar City tried to build that exact ride today (assuming Disney had never build it) nobody would think twice about it and it certainly would not get the greatest ride ever title. I think it was an awesome ride for the time it was built and still a classic very good ride today. But IMO not best ever, not even as good as HM.
From James Rao on March 4, 2013 at 4:47 PM
So, rip on my beloved Pirates and my beloved Silver Dollar City in the same post! Those be fightin' words, me heartie! Arrrrrrrrr!!!!
I would counter that after almost 50 years of continuous operation, if another, non-Disney theme park company could capture the timeless wonder of DL's PotC and build their own version, they would have. The phrase, "like trying to catch lightning in a bottle" comes to mind.
(Incidentally, SDC does have an attraction called the Flooded Mine that is a budget variation on the PotC theme - and while I LOVE SDC, the Flooded Mine pales in comparison. It is hard to capture that Disney Magic without that Disney bank account).
From José María Sandoval on March 4, 2013 at 4:03 PM
Pirates for high capacity and duration.
From Jack Curley on March 4, 2013 at 5:12 PM
A few things:
1) PotC at DL may well have been a better ride before they forced the movie narrative on it, but it isn't now.
2) The best thing that ever happened to HM was that the movie based on it flopped. Adding Eddie Murphy animatronics to the ride would have destroyed it.
3) Whoever called PotC the greatest theme park attraction ever built has obviously never been on Stitch's Great Escape.
From Daniel Etcheberry on March 4, 2013 at 5:11 PM
I wonder if most people are voting based on the Pirates' MK version. Otherwise, the difference shouldn't be that wide!
From TH Creative on March 4, 2013 at 5:19 PM
I voted for the Jungle Cruise.
From Melanie Howe on March 4, 2013 at 5:55 PM
You're a cruel man, Robert, to start the vote off with these two. But I'm gonna have to go with HM, for a few reasons...:
1. I was just at WDW two weeks ago and came off HM thinking it is simply the most perfect dark ride ever.
2. HM is the ONLY ride at Disney I could ever hope to hold a job 'cause you don't have to smile all the dang time.
3. I've always LOVED pirates, but it's lost a little something for me now with the movie over-lay. It cheapens it a bit. I'll echo the other poster who said the best thing to happen to HM was the fact the movie flopped!
4. I'll give James R. the point that Disneyland's pirates is probably, originally, the best of the bunch, and I'd love to ride it someday. But since it also suffers from movie over-lay, that kills its edge.
Haunted Mansion deserves to win this round.
From James Rao on March 4, 2013 at 6:16 PM
For a movie franchise (Pirates of the Caribbean) that has banked over $3.7B, and an actor (Johnny Depp) who has accounted for over $7B as an actor, there is a lot of angst over their inclusion in the PotC attraction.
Are Theme Park Insiders really that out of touch with the mainstream world? Are we really that much of a niche crowd that we hate everything that is popular?
I, for one, love the overlays and changes that have been incorporated into PotC - they keep the ride relevant even as it embraces the classic stature that it so richly deserves.
Keep up the great work, WDI, and ignore the niche crowd of museum lovers on this site! ;p
And Jack, that comment about Stitch was HILARIOUS. Kudos, bro.
PS I voted AGAINST the Jungle Snooze in this tournament and FOR its removal from all Disney parks that still feature that relic.
From Melanie Howe on March 4, 2013 at 7:09 PM
Aww, James R., don't give me too hard a time for being a "museum lover". I totally rolled with it when they attempted to tell more of a story in the HM and added the "black widow" idea in the WDW attic. It took a couple rides, but I'm fine with it.
I think my main problem with POTC goes back even a few years before the movie over-lay, when they tried to down-play the whole "rape and pillage" thing. Yeah, I get it, but they're pirates for god's-sake, what do people expect?? And I can't help it that I was raised on the lyrics of "Pirate's Life for Me" that didn't involve Jack Sparrow. I don't think I'd mind it so much if the ride hadn't been so great without it....
From 126.96.36.199 on March 4, 2013 at 7:14 PM
As a native So Cal girl (now sadly living far away), I have been on DL's versions hundreds of times but WDW only twice. I still vote for Haunted Mansion. POTC is a little weird to me, long parts where it's just dark and nothing is happening. That long first drop which I hate because I hate drops like that. I hated when they changed it to make it more PC in the 90s. HM seems to be better paced, love the narrator's voice, love the music, love the elevator ride at the beginning, especially love the hitch hiking ghosts at the end. They haven't changed it much over the years because it's so good to begin with. And I don't even like scary movies but I love that ride. Neither one of them are my favorite, but I would still vote for HM over POTC.
From Denis Del Bianco on March 4, 2013 at 7:21 PM
Best dark ride vs Pirates? Easy choice! Haunted Mansion FTW
From David L. on March 4, 2013 at 7:24 PM
Pirates by far. My judgement? I love the Haunted Mansion, but WDW's Pirates is my favorite ride in the park. The Idea that there is a better Pirates in California, Paris, and Japan makes my head spin with glee. I just love Pirates more. The Haunted Mansion, while amazing, isn't that scary, and it's not supposed to be! However, pirates captures the essence of a pirate life better than Mansion does with a haunted house.
From 220.127.116.11 on March 4, 2013 at 8:37 PM
James rao you are 100% right...truly WEDs magnus opus
From Max LaZebnik on March 4, 2013 at 9:15 PM
As much as I love the California version of Pirates (the Florida one was pretty underwhelming for me), I might have to go with the 999 Happy Haunts for this one. Pirates is a wonderful ride in its own right and considering Jack Sparrow is an icon along with Indy and Luke Skywalker, I think Disney had all the right reasons to add Sparrow to the ride, and they didn't destroy the classic ride at all. However, I've always been amazed by the Haunted Mansion's effects and instead of simply placing zombies, skeletons, and most bad animatronics you would see on a fairground ghost train, Disney really had their own great creative approach with the Mansion. I might have to agree with you, Robert, that Florida's mansion is better than California's and I especially love that new endless stairway scene Florida has, which really makes you feel like you are in MC Escher's psychedelic nightmare.
From James Rao on March 4, 2013 at 9:29 PM
Don't get me wrong, Melanie, for all my pompous platitudes for the perfection that is Pirates, there is no wrong answer in this debate. Haunted Mansion is a classic in its own right and could end up making it to the finals... just as it did last year.
Really the only wrong answer in this tournament is the Bungle Cruise, but MOST of you already know that. ;)
From AJ Hummel on March 4, 2013 at 10:15 PM
A year ago, I would have said Haunted Mansion without a doubt, both because I think it is an exceptional dark ride and because the holiday version at Disneyland is my favorite dark ride anywhere. However, after riding Phantom Manor at Disneyland Paris last summer (a ride that is very similar to Haunted Mansion but different enough that I don't consider them the same attraction), I've realized that while Haunted Mansion is still a top tier dark ride, it isn't really the best.
Pirates of the Caribbean, on the other hand, is just as high quality as Haunted Mansion, if not more so. I've been on two very different versions of the attraction (California and Paris), and it is one of my favorites at both parks (favorite in Paris and second to Indy in California). So I have to go with Pirates of the Caribbean.
For anyone who has only been on the Florida version of the attraction, I strongly recommend watching a video of California's Pirates of the Caribbean before casting your vote (assuming it isn't too late, of course). While I haven't been on Florida's Pirates, I have seen videos and it appears to be one case where WDW got the short end of the stick.
From Mike Gallagher on March 5, 2013 at 3:47 AM
James Rao:.."pompous platitudes for the perfection that is Pirates,"
Alliteration RULZZZZ!!!
From Mark Kausch on March 5, 2013 at 4:07 AM
I went to DLR last Friday. I absolutely *love* the Mad T Party and its Alice band (they say it's the Mad Hatter's, but I don't think so!). Since DL was open an hour later than DCA, I went over there and rode HM. Followed by PotC. Pretty much the only two rides I went on that day. Of the two, I think I have to go with Pirates for my favoriter. And so I did.
From Dominick D on March 5, 2013 at 6:08 AM
Looks like this is Haunted Mansion's to win!
From Brent Moody on March 5, 2013 at 6:18 AM
Trust me I wasn't ripping on Silver Dollar City. I LOVE that place. I grew up about 1 1/2 hours from there and had a season pass. I went about 10 times every summer when I was a kid. I was going there before any of the big coasters including Thunderation. So SDC holds a special place in my heart. I love it when you have the SDC posts on here giving it the love it deserves.
From Brian Bauer on March 5, 2013 at 7:47 AM
Instead of voting on this, can I just tell you which one of my kids I love the most? It would be easier.
From 22.214.171.124 on March 5, 2013 at 8:54 AM
Easily call....whenever it comes to the Haunted Mansion and anything else (even Pirates of the Caribbean), the Haunted Mansion always wins!!!!
From 220.127.116.11 on March 5, 2013 at 8:55 AM
I am a POTC purist and once the ride changed with the multiple additions from the movies (I still can't deal with Barbossa on that ship!), that made my mind up for me. Gotta go with Haunted Mansion now!
From James Rao on March 5, 2013 at 11:23 AM
No worries, Brent... was mostly tongue and cheek anyway. So, are you going to be at SDC next week for the opening of Outlaw Run? Let me know, we can do a mini TPI meet!
@Brian B I have a feeling most of these match ups will be like picking a favorite kid! Very appropriate comment!
@Mike That's why Robert pays me the big buck$!!!
From Don Neal on March 5, 2013 at 11:45 AM
Pirates Life for me! YO HO!
From Brent Moody on March 5, 2013 at 2:26 PM
No James I live in Benton, AR now which is about 3 1/2 hours away so it is a little further now. I am going to try to go sometime this year but probably will not be at the opening. But I am looking forward to your review of it!
From James Rao on March 5, 2013 at 3:51 PM
If things pan out, and the weather holds, I hope to have a review to Mr. Niles sometime on the night of the 13th (after the media preview event). We'll see how it goes....
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By: Rick Boxx
December 7, 2012
With wintertime comes the potential for sickness. When faced with an illness, many stay home regardless of how slight the illness may be. The other common approach is those who go to work despite their sickness.
In the past, I've followed my dad's example of going to work, regardless of how sick I am. Although my mindset likely flows out of pride, it also comes from fear and doubt in God's provision.
Psalm 33:18 teaches, "But the eyes of the Lord are on those who fear him, on those whose hope is in his unfailing love, to deliver them from death and keep them alive in famine."
When sick, I'm learning to swallow my pride, trust in God's provision, and stay home. This is loving others, rather than infecting them.
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Tiffin, P.A. and Richardson, G. (2006) 'The use of structured instruments in the assessment of violence risk.', in Children who commit acts of serious interpersonal violence -messages for practice. London: Jessica Kingsley, pp. 205-210.
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Font and size
Is there any way to change the default font.
None of the themes have the font I want to use.
I was miticlously changing font on every page, and apparently I did something with the themes, and it put every thing back to Georgia 9 pt.
Now unless I find a way to change default font, I have to go back and change 150 pages by hand.
Did you try Undo in Edit? Only works if you didn't try to do any thing else.
Saw your problem. Just down loaded v1.9 today and have the problem of Georgia 9pt font as the default font in all cases. Reported it to Technical Support and got a quick reply from Hanna that they are working on it. Her suggestion to stay with only photo with caption layouts so not solve the problem. Making a copy of each changed page as you did does work (But it's a pain!) And as you discovered any changes to themes etc will revert all fonts to the default font. I fortunately saved all my work including v1.8 in a separate drive. SO IT"S OUT WITH V1.9 and BACK TO V1.8. Only one wasted day! Oh yes I opened one of my books done in 1.8 and it take over 10s in preview mode for pictures to "LOAD" vs. about 1-2 sec in v1.8. Frankly I'm not sure what 1.9 offers at this point. The launch seems a bit premature or I'm just unlucky.
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I'm having the same problem, where is the undo feature in edit??
Hello gad;
Edit, Undo – it's on the file menu! [Ctrl-Z]
However, it only works for the current session!
As for the "default font" I have asked Blurb to provide for a "Personal Preferences" option on the ToolBar that we could store these things in – please submit a similar request to tech-support… The more people that ask for a feature or solution – the better chance we have of getting it!
Thanks Lee, I've asked for the same thing. Seems obvious that you would want the same font from page to page and within the same page as the default.
Hi all,
Univeral font control? That's crazy talk!
Of course, I jest. And, of course, this is a great idea for an improvement.
Changing basic options like font is much easier to do when you are first setting up your book. Whenever any of you clever cats begin your next book, please try to adapt this workaround to better establish your global preferences:
Please create new blank pages, say 4 of them, and format them as you wish (with the background color of your choice, a single word formatted with the font and type size of your choice, your desired alignment/cropping settings for images that will later be placed on the pages, etc).
Surely you jest? Winging it means your suggestion is a little too much planning when you have 150-200 pictures that you are organizing in a book.
That will be my work-around for now. But I won't be able to ween my wife off v1.8 until you make a change. Len (Thank god for separate computers.)


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Tim Tebow Proving Critics Wrong With Winning Streak
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NEIL CAVUTO, HOST: Well, it's about Tim. The broncos' Tim Tebow getting it do and getting it done. The guy nobody thought would make it as an NFL quarterback has them all taking it back, or at least quietly saying that.
Suddenly, the fact that he doesn't fit the mold of a typical quarterback is taking a backseat to the fact that he is missing a lot more than the typical quarterback.
Just like the guy who could never be president because he was an actor until he was president and an historic one at that; or the woman with the right voice but the wrong look, until all was right and everyone was looking way past her looks.
Motivational speaker Tim Kukral says Tebow proves the best guy for the job may be the one you're not even considering. Very good to have you.
I'm thinking about this because, you know, so many people are under the assumption I got my job because of my looks. And I have to tell them, no, no, no, there was a lot more to me than the size of me.
But it is interesting, I start looking at this. And we were kicking this around in the editorial meeting this morning. I guess everyone just dismissed this guy from the outset. Why?
TIM KUKRAL , MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER: You know, I don't know. I mean, he has the physical attributes to get it done, but, you know, whether it's his ability, not being able to throw the ball or whatever it is, the point is the guy wins, as you mentioned. And you know, there's so many people out there in the world who just get it done, who just, for some reason, are counted out in society.
He's just a perfect example.
CAVUTO: What is it that's agitating people about him? Is it the genuflecting thing? Is it the super religious thing? Or is it the fact that he runs more than he passes, and good quarterbacks pass more than they run? What?
KUKRAL: You know, I don't know what that is. It could be a combination of, you know, his -- his faith. And it could be some people don't want to like him because he's very up front about his faith. And it could be some other people just want to see -- just want to see the guy fall. But I'm really not sure. I think he's doing a great job, don't you?
CAVUTO: Well, he's picking up the wins, right? And like you said, that's the end all and be all. I was curious because we were mentioning the Susan Boyle example. And I remember the reaction at first when she appeared on the show, Remember that? The first thing was like hideous, middle-aged-plus woman. And then she started singing. And then there wasn't a dry eye in the house.
And everyone sort of stopped for a second and said, could we be more clueless bastards? Could we be more callous people? And in a way, I thought that was good that she did that. But these examples are few and far between, right? We do fit people into molds, right?
KUKRAL: We really do. As humans, we love great stories. And whenever you see something that isn't fitting with your expectation of what society is or whatever it is, you look at that, and you see the story, and you get uplifted. And I think it lifts up people who are regular people, people who are just sitting at home, working at a job they hate or living a life that they don't want.
And then they see somebody else, and they see the story of how this person came and rose above it. And it's just an amazing thing for people to latch on to and want to be part of.
CAVUTO: All right, now, I know a football player who runs more than he passes isn't the same as a political candidate who doesn't come from a standard political background. But the only similarity I see is we initially recoil at their difference, at their unusualness, if you don't mind. Why do we keep doing that? And when do we learn that that's sometimes not the best approach?
KUKRAL: Well, you know, I think it's -- you know, it's human nature.
As a sales and marketing guy, as a motivational guy, I think that human beings just tend to do that by just -- because we are that way. And I think that, you know, once we realize and once we get past, you know, how people look or how people act or whatever it is, and we realize that there's a story there that is relatable to what we do or what we want to do, we latch on to that.
And you know, so I think it takes a lot of time for people to really realize that it's powerful, and anybody can -- themselves. You know, I think they emulate themselves. Why can't that be me? And then they realize, oh, it could be me. And then they start to feel better about the people we're examining every day.
CAVUTO: You know, that is very well put. That is extremely well put.
No wonder you have your big, hot shot job. Thank you very, very much.
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