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that if you eat more protein than your body can take, you just pee it all away?
that if you eat more protein than your body can take, you just pee it all away?
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Yes it is quite true. I have also heard that excess intake of proteins does no good for the body and is released out.that if you eat more protein than your body can take, you just pee it all away?
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So if you ate 10,000 calories of only protein a day you'd never gain weight because you peed most of it out?
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Not to mention you will die without carbohydrates. You need two things to live. Sugar and oxygen .
Last edited by markdk86; 07-11-2007 at 07:55 AM.
You will not die without carbs.
No you will not piss it out. Your body with convert it into an energy source and burn it, or convert it to fat and store it.
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Shhhh... I want to hear the reason that people believe that the body reaches a certain point and says 'no more protein. I'm done digesting it. It's just going straight to waste without being processed'. Don't rerail it with facts, Unreal.
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AND, excess protein = fat gain - no ? about that.......cals in vs out.......piss it away my ass...
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Lets keep the responses on point and worthwhile, people. If you don't have something useful to contribute, don't post.
For those that are confused about carb-free diets, you may want to read up on ketogenesis. Maybe also check out that Lyle MacDonald guy. He knows a thing or two about what happens when you don't eat carbs.
I have a problem with some of the above.
I have to believe that there is an oversaturation point where you could eat 20,000k and well, couldn't do jack with the excess above what can be stored.
I'm far from a diet guru and have never eaten to the point of such excess so I don't know... but if your body can't get to it all to digest it's gotta go somewhere...
I'd imagine an episode much like when I eat 50 "super insane" wings occurs where there is a rapid and violent evacuation of the bowels.
Otherwise that japanese guy that eats all the hotdogs would be a million pounds and/or dead.
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What if you're hitting your daily calorie amount but a large portion is protein? Say you get 0.5g fat/lb of LBM and about 100g of carbs (mostly after workout) but the rest is protein. If you're eating for a 500 calorie excess, are you saying that you'll get rid of the excess protein and you'll actually only be getting way less calories and actually lose weight? I'm having a hard time understanding.
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protein does have a higher TEF. Ive seen Lyle explain the mumbo jumbo before.
But by consuming too much protein, it just becomes an "expensive form of glucose"
Fat gain if your over maintence, otherwise like I said it will be converted to a form of energy and burnt (just like Mr D said, expensive form glucose).
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To answer the original question:
If you eat more protein than your body can take, do you just pee it all away?
Your body does not have the ability to store [excess]* protein! To compensate for this, excess protein is either utilized as energy or is stored in the body in a different form. It's not as though you can eat all the protein you want without any undesirable effect.
Nitrogen from the excess amino acids, however, is used to create urea, which is peed away (while potentially putting a strain on the kidneys).
Hope this helps!
Last edited by DannyJAllTheWay; 07-15-2007 at 07:36 PM.
The body does have the ability to store protein. Forgot about muscles?
Proteins are too big to be passed in the urine in any significant amount, unless you have damaged kidneys.
That isn't storing protein. That is using it for synthesis of new tissue. It isn't like carbs that can be stored as glycogen or fat which gets stored as fat for use later.
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You don't need many active members. My casual raiding guild (Ancient Prodigies of Frostmourne US) has with the xpac had 20-30 people on most of the day and we hit the cap by mid-afternoon. From this it is my impression that the guild XP cap is set to about that of your ordinary 25 man raiding guild.
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Mouse traps, spring traps or glue traps are generally safe. They do not contain any chemicals and pets and children who are exposed to them do not usually require treatment. Mouse baits, however, are laced with chemicals that are poisonous to humans and to animals.
The bait rodenticides are available in the form of pellet-filled trays or solid "cakes." The pellets and cakes are made of food material that is attractive to rodents (e.g., peanut butter, cereal grain). Baits are often placed in areas where they can be easily accessible to children and pets, such as underneath radiators or ovens or near refrigerators or trash.
Easy accessibility, food-like taste and smell, and bright colors make these rodenticides a frequent source of accidental ingestions.
The most common bait available on the market contains a chemical that is an anticoagulant. It works by preventing blood from properly clotting, thereby causing internal bleeding in mice and rats.
In children and pets, the decrease in clotting ability can lead to bruising of skin and bleeding from the nose, gums, minor cuts, scrapes and internal organs. Examples of anticoagulant rodenticides include d-Con: Mouse Prufe II® and Talon ®.
Anticoagulants are especially dangerous because the effects may be delayed. The normal appearance of your child or pet may give you a false sense of security while the poison acts in the body. It is important to notify a healthcare professional immediately after exposure, whether or not you see symptoms.
A follow-up blood test may be done to confirm whether the child or pet is still at risk for toxicity. Since the anticoagulant effects are delayed, this test is done a few days after exposure. In the meantime, watch for skin bruising.
Other mouse bait products on the market are not as popular as anticoagulants but they are just as dangerous. They include:
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Date: October 2013
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Competition for consumers is fierce. But by building your digital visibility, you stand to give yourself a first-mover advantage.
Much of the focus in the local search marketplace is on analyzing some combination of the visibility, rank, and position that a business receives at the major search engines (SEs) and Internet yellow pages (IYP) sites.
There are many strategies and tactics both a local business owner and a CMO of a large retailer with thousands of locations can use to ensure success. This column has looked at many of those tactics and strategies for the more traditional online space.
One thing that's woefully overlooked, however, is the notion of digital visibility. It's not thought of on the scale it should be, and it's certainly not top of mind, never mind understood.
Define Visibility for Today's Search Marketer
What is digital visibility? It can't be absolutely defined, because it changes every day as new technologies and local search products come to market. After all, a new device, service, or consumer access point is launched every day.
Four or five years ago, all of us online marketers focused our resources on the IYPs and SEs, then added SMS (define) or mobile search because it was the low-hanging fruit. Since then, we've kept having to change our focus.
Generally speaking, however, digital visibility is the extent to which your brand is accessible to interactive searchers. Digital visibility isn't just a ranking, it's the quality that generates high rankings.
Yes, it's search optimization, but it's also smart keyword use and good distribution across a wide variety of digital environments that extend well beyond the Web.
Look Beyond Traditional Search Optimization
To be successful in local search today, you must look beyond the traditional digital access points and optimize content for new search media.
For example, today about 20 million cars are enabled with in-car navigation devices, and another 65.1 million are expected to be installed by 2012, according to iSuppli Corp. These devices are used primarily for driving directions and finding core retail locations such as the local coffee shop, service station, or golf course. And 20 million doesn't even take into consideration all the rental cars enabled with similar devices or the portable Garmin or TomTom products.
These portable devices are essentially local search boxes that you can take with you everywhere. They're a great example of a technology that many marketers know or think very little about as a consumer touch point.
As marketers, we look to media channels to connect with consumers and overlook the opportunity technology can deliver.
Get in Front of Local Marketing Trends
Also know what's on the cutting edge. For example, at a consumer electronics show this year, there was a refrigerator manufacturer previewing the future in home refrigeration. According to this manufacturer, tomorrow's refrigerator will be able to tell you when you need milk or your favorite beer, then be able to tell you the nearest grocer and when it's open.
If I were with Albertsons, the U.S.'s largest grocery retailer, I'd want to make sure all my stores were in that manufacturer's database.
Don't Forget Traditional Business Databases
You must also optimize your presence within traditional databases. We often overlook or take for granted some of the most basic access points.
One example of this is telephony search. There are tens of millions of 411 queries conducted every year, and consumers typically pay more than a dollar to dial traditional 411 services. At that price point, a consumer is quite engaged.
This is such an engaging medium that there are several free 411 products. One is 1-800-FREE411, an advertiser-supported product. The firm has said it facilitates over 20 million free-to-consumer queries on a monthly basis. That's a lot of queries -- and a market that should not be overlooked.
Find New Local Search Channels
It would be impossible for a local business or marketer to reach out to every media channel and technology that delivers local business information, though there are agencies in the marketplace that can help deliver wide swaths of both.
Yet local business owners, agencies, and marketers can and should map out the media channels and enabling technologies that will deliver the largest return for resources put against these types of initiatives.
Competition for consumers is fierce, and the difference between first and second can be razor thin in many categories. But by building your digital visibility -- in emerging channels as well as the old standbys -- you stand to give yourself a first-mover advantage.
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How to Profit From a Better World
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I like to make money as much as anyone else. I have never been accused of being overly sentimental and appreciate the function of a competitive and minimally regulated market to weed out weak businesses and maximize efficiency. However, I also appreciate one of the ultimate goals of a market economy, and that is to improve overall conditions for society. As a result, I am innately drawn to invest in companies that are competitive and profitable, but who are also committed to providing products and services that make life better for humanity. What can be better than making money while making life better for everyone involved?
Whole Foods Market (NASDAQ: WFM) CEO, John Mackey, put a name to making money while making life better. He calls this type of business "conscious capitalism" and contrasts his approach to business with legendary classical economist Milton Friedman's view that a business's driving force should be to make profits. Instead, Mackey stresses that a company's profits should be a result of a company making "an important difference in people's lives" by focusing on adding value for a diverse range of stakeholders including customers, employees, suppliers, communities and the physical environment. He stresses, "just as people cannot live without eating, so a business cannot live without profits. But most people don't live to eat, and neither must business live just to make profits."
Healthy growth and value for stakeholders
So far the consciously capitalist approach has been very profitable for Whole Foods by creating value for all of its stakeholders. The approach starts with Mackey, who took in a modest salary of $70,000 a year last year while leading Whole Foods to a rise in revenue of 13% and operating profit growth of 21% last quarter. Although derisively known by some as Whole Paycheck, Whole Foods has managed to build brand loyalty that fuels growth through a focus on making the consumer's shopping experience enjoyable and providing goods that are healthy and environmentally sustainable.
With a plan to triple the number of its stores to over 1000 in coming years the present profitability of Whole Foods promises to increase its ability to increase value for consumers, suppliers and investors alike. Reuters recently reported "same-store sales, a key gauge of performance for retailers, rose 6.9% for Whole Foods' fiscal second quarter that ended April 14. So far this quarter, those sales are up 9.4 percent." Although sporting an industry high P/E of 40.89 these same store sales numbers portend that Whole Foods attractiveness is still increasing and that it is deserving of its high share price.
Powering transport efficiently
Power generation is a sector of commerce that is often criticized for its focus on profit maximization at the detriment of the consumer and the environment. However, Cummins (NYSE: CMI), an international company that provides a range of power generation products, but specializes in manufacturing transport engines, is profitable as a result of its focus on delivering value to a wider range of stakeholders than just its investors and management. Cummins is recognized for its focus on making the world better through its focus on employees, sustainability, community, and efficiency.
The conscious capitalist culture of the company has made it an innovator and puts it on the forefront of improving the efficiency and decreasing the emissions of its engines. In addition to improving the environment through its innovations Cummins has also improved the bottom line for its customers and helped even competitor, Navistar, to meet more stringent EPA requirements on its diesel engines. With diesel prices reaching new highs, efficiency is highly sought by long haul trucking. The Supertruck, recently co-designed and tested by Peterbilt and Cummins, resulted in fuel consumption of "9.9 miles-per-gallon in comparison to the standard five to six," saving an estimated "$25,000 annually in diesel fuel for a long-haul truck driving 120,000 miles per year." Cummins is also ideally situated among long haul engine manufacturers through its joint venture with Westport to take advantage of the growing natural gas transport infrastructure that presently provides both a significant cost and emissions savings over diesel fuel.
These advantages make Cummins, who was down $500 million in revenue last year due to a global slowdown in heavy equipment purchases, worthy of its hefty dividend (2.0%) and P/E ratio (14.96 versus 11.76 for rival Caterpillar and 10.37 for Deere) .
Creating value
Mackey states "conscious businesses believe that creating value for all their stakeholders is intrinsic to the success of their business, and they consider both communities and the environment to be important stakeholders." Despite not chasing quarterly results or making decisions to maximize the short term bottom line, holding on to these "consciously capitalist" businesses over the long term has been more than profitable to investors. Whole Foods returned 403.2%, and Cummins 77.6% to investors over the last 5 years, compared to returns of 33.5% for the S&P 500. These two companies are examples that good deeds are rewarded.
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Creamy Peanut Butter Fudge Cake
Comfort doesn't get much better than this velvety-textured cake. The creamy peanut butter fudge frosting goes on hot and warms the whole cake. No surprise that it received our highest rating.
Yield: Makes 16 servings
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- 1 cup butter or margarine, softened
- 6 cups sugar, divided
- 1 (8-ounce) container sour cream
- 5 large eggs
- 3 cups self-rising flour
- 1 cup milk
- 1 teaspoon vanilla extract
- 1 (18-ounce) jar creamy peanut butter
- 1 1/2 cups water
- Coat 3 (8-inch) round cakepans with cooking spray. Line pans with wax paper. Coat wax paper with cooking spray. Set pans aside.
- Beat butter at medium speed with an electric mixer until creamy; gradually add 3 cups sugar, beating well. Add sour cream; beat until light and creamy. Add eggs, 1 at a time, beating until blended after each addition.
- Add flour alternately with milk, beginning and ending with flour. Beat mixture at low speed until blended after each addition. Stir in vanilla. Pour batter into prepared pans.
- Bake at 350° for 27 to 30 minutes or until a wooden pick inserted in center comes out clean. Cool in pans on wire racks 10 minutes; remove from pans, and cool on wire racks.
- When cake layers are completely cool, place peanut butter in a large mixing bowl. Place 1 cake layer on a cake plate.
- Bring remaining 3 cups sugar and 1 1/2 cups water to a boil over medium heat in a heavy 2-quart saucepan, stirring gently until sugar dissolves. Using a pastry brush dipped in hot water, wash down any sugar crystals on sides of pan. Cook, without stirring, until a candy thermometer registers 234° (soft ball stage). Pour over peanut butter, and beat with a wooden spoon until blended and mixture thickens just slightly.
- Immediately pour about 1 cup frosting over cake layer, spreading almost to edges. Quickly repeat procedure with second and third layers of cake and frosting. Quickly frost sides of cake with remaining frosting. Let cake stand at least until frosting is firm before cutting. (Cake will remain warm inside for about 2 hours.
- Tips: Work rapidly to frost cake. Frosting will harden quickly. Use a long thin spatula dipped in hot water to help spread frosting when it begins to become firm. An electric knife works best to cut the cake if serving while still warm.
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Categories > Cartoons > Class of the Titans > HellFire (gehenna tou pyros)
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Cienna gets to meet the family... :S
We walked up the path to the patio door leading into the kitchen, they've probably already started eating. I wasn't the family favorite to say the least and I was definetly not the family hero, that was Greggy's job. Greggy was a year younger than I was and had gotten his dragon powers about a month ago, he thinks he's too good for instruction and aunt Cathy wasn't helping.
We walked through the kitchen door to find the little kids had already started eating, as we walked past Haley grabbed my arm and pulled me down so she could be heard over the screaming kid moshpit,
"Where were you guys? They already started eating. You guys were late so Greggy took your spot, you'll have to eat here with us." she informed me regrettingly. She didn't like Greggy either, he was stuck up and just an overall weirdo.
"That's a load and a half." I tried to keep the language rated G, " I'll just go introduce Cienna to the family and see what's going on, thanks." Haley shrugged and returned to her kiddie meal that aunt Cathy always made for the younger ones.
We walked in to the dinning room, the conversation stopped when everyone saw us walking in 20 minutes late. I shifted under their gaze and Cienna retreated a little, I waved to them awkwardly.
"Hey, guys. Where have you been?" Fu called out to the other side of the table, next to him was Gramps and mom. Greggy sat across from them with a big ugly smirk plastered on his face (I never liked Greggy), I failed to come up with a reasonable explanation for why we were so late.
"Sorry. Jake was telling me about the view the other day and I just had to see it the second we got here, hope I didn't inconvenience anyone." she gave a charming smile, I think it's like a reflex for girls or something. The party was easily won over by her played charm.
Aunt Cathy stood up and greeted us curtly, she dragged Cienna around the table and introduced her to every member of the family. She finally ushered her to sit down next to Greggy who immediately took interest to her, too much interest for comfort (mine specifically). Aunt Cathy turned to me and tried to lead me to the kids table but I would have none of it,
"Why can't I sit here with everyone else? Move Greggy to the kids table, he's younger." I protested while trying to hold my dignity. Aunt Cathy wouldn't budge,
"Gregory just got his dragon powers, very impressive form. He's an honorary guest for tonights' supper." my great uncle chimed in.
"So? He's had them for like a month now, I've had mine for about 6 months. I think the novelty has worn off." I retorted, why is she doing this right now? I eventually lost the fight and was sent to the kiddy table to eat the instant mash potatoes and chicken fingers, Haley looked relieved that someone sane was with her.
"You know they're going to tear her apart out there, right? They're not gonna take to kindly that she's a Canadian, orphaned dragon who lives with her boyfriend." she whispered, the younger kids didn't notice the new blood yet so we didn't want to get them excited.
"Idon't know, maybe they don't know?" I hoped. Haley shrugged and went back to nibbling on her over-cooked chicken fingers.
We ate with diffuculty as the younger ones threw food across the table and stuffed potatoes down each others pants and shirts, at times like these I was glad that my little sister was a goody-goody. We always stuck together at these family get-togethers
Cienna's POV
That was the most awkward supper ever! Questions flew left and right, I couldnt answer all of them. This family likes asking the wrong questions, maybe on purpose.
"So where are you from?" an older woman asked me, I forgot her name.
"Canada" I replied honestly, I think. A couple of the family members stared at me disapointingly, wrong answer?
"So, Cienna. Tell us about your family, what do your parents do?" Cathy asked, Susan shot her a dirty look when she saw my troubled expression.
"Uhh, I-I don't really have a family. Th-that I know of" I stuttered uncomortably, did they not get the memo? Gramps watched me intently.
"How can you not have a family? Everyone has a family." Gregory squealed, the family looked at me expectantly. I wish Jake was here! I gave Gramps a distressed look that practically screamed 'help!' and he jumped in.
"Cienna doesn't remember, she lost her memory a couple of months ago. We're working on a potion to help her regain them." he explained with a note of 'this conversation is over'. I sent a relieved smile his way to which he returned with a nod.
"So, how long have you had your dragon powers now?" an old man around G's age asked (the one who spoke to Jake about Gregory's dragon form)
"About two months-ish from what I can remember." I replied more light heartedly
"Do you find it very hard? Have you started your field work yet?" he seemed genuinely interested, do they not know who we are? Did no one tell them what we've accomplished not a month ago? How could you be oblivious to the fact the Dark Dragon's dead?
"It's a bit challenging at times, I started field work before I met Lao Shi, Fu and Jake so it was easier to catch up."
The rest of supper was awkward, Gregory wouldn't shut up about stuff he did or something like that (I didn't pay too much attention), I think he was coming on to me... eww.
After supper, I met up with Jake and Haley who were sitting on the beach supervising the younger kids. Jake was lying on his back and Haley was burying him, she motioned me over when I approached and Jake looked over from under the sandhill.
"You'll get indigestion if you lie down after a meal." I informed him jokingly, he shrugged but sat up anyway. Haley protested but Jake ignored her,
"I think we should go for a walk." meaning go a search for that demon thing, a cold shiver crossed my spine despite the heat,
"Can I go too?" Haley whined, Jake considered it for a minute.
"Sorry, sis. Maybe next time, or better yet when we get back. Cool?" Jake promised, Haley nodded reluctantly. We turned towards the forest and followed a worn down path,
"How was supper?" Jake asked tightly,
"It was weird. I don't think they like me." I told him,
"They probably do, they're just a bunch of weirdo's" he tried to joke, didn't work though.
It didn't take long before I could sense it following us, I stopped and grabbed Jake's arm when I heard heavy breathing directly behind my head and a hateful whisper in my ear. He spun around but saw nothing, I was clutching to his arm desperately and was scared out of my mind. I was almost on the verge of tears,
"What did it say?" he asked grabbing onto my shoulders, get a hold of yourself!
"It's after something... it said... I don't know... gehenna tou pyros?" I stuttered, a flash of confusion and frustration flooded his face,
"Whats that suppose to mean?" He almost yelled to no one, as if his question was being answered a blood chilling scream drifted from the beach. Other small cries and screams followed. Instinctively, we morphed into our dragon forms and ran full till up the path.
We were the first at the scene. A girl a few years older than Haley was screaming and pointing towards the ocean,
"Joice, whats wrong?" Jake demanded, she was flustered and stuggled to form the words,
"Where's Andrew?" Jake scoured the horizon for his missing cousin before flying overhead and doving into the ocean a few metres from the shore, I looked back to make sure the adults were on their way down before turning to Haley.
"Haley, make sure everyone stays out of the water and tell Gramps whats happening." I rushed, I flew overhead and saw Jake's figure gliding through the water. To his left was a tiny flash of neon orange, Andrew! I flew down and swooped up the child with my tail, he was crying and clutched onto me for dear life. I flew him back to land where his mother was hysterically screaming for her child, Susan was standing next to Haley and was also holding a deep look of anxiety, where is Jake?
Gramps was in the air above me,
"Where's Jake?" he asked hurriedly, I spun around and headed to where I could feel his energy (coupled dragons can sense each other's energies). I flew overhead but he was no where in sight, I flew out a while from the beach but couldn't find him. I grew anxious and I could tell Gramps was really uneasy,
"Cienna!" he called out, I turned around and he was pointing to the beach. Jake was crawling onto the beach, still in dragon form, and Susan was running out to hug him. I flew back and landed a few feet from him,
"Where were you?" I asked bewilered, he turned around and gave me a confused look,
"Looking for you!" He looked as though I was the one who almost got swept out to sea, I gave him a confused look. Andrew was coughing violently as his family crowded around him. This demon thing might be more of a threat than we anticipated, but why would it mess with Andrew? What's its next move?


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Deciphering Food Labels for Fido: Any Suggestions?
Our food choices have a huge impact on an eco-friendly lifestyle. It stands to reason, then, that caring about what our pets eat is just as important—our dog, who weighs about 50 pounds, eats four cups of food a day, and that's no small piece of our green living pie. If you're looking for a decoder for your dog's kibble, take a look at this article.
We've mentioned that it's hard to come across a bag of kibble for our dog Fin that meets our self-imposed SOLE foods for humans guidelines (sustainable, organic, local, and ethical), so when we recently ran across this article at EcoSalon, we figured that deciphering the labels would be the next best thing.
We've heard everything from raw foods diet (not practical for our everyday lifestyle) to a vegetarian diet for the dog (which we don't think is practical for her). But we know that what's most widely available for most everyone out there is dry dog food, which is why we think this article is a good read. It lists a few ingredients to steer clear from, as well as explains what different protein sources are.
We feed our dog a brand of dry food that has a mostly understandable ingredients list, but this article gave us pause—and we're always striving to do better for our pup and the world around her.
Have any suggestions?
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Use these web sites to find out what's in dog food, compare various brands, and what brands are preferred:
You don't have to make your own homemade RAW dog food. There are many commercial brands that you can buy at the pet store and online. These are either frozen or freeze dried patty or nugget shaped.
For cats, a great web site to learn about proper diet and how it plays a role in your cat's health is http://www.catinfo.org
raw is totally practical. check this out: http://www.sojos.com/complete.html
shameless promotion aside. kibbles, no matter how wholesome the ingredients they start with, are cooked at such a high temperature to formulate those little pellets, that all your nutrients and flavor are then sprayed on after the fact.
commercial pet foods are basically horrifying. the foods that end up on the floor of human-food processing plants. that's what ends up in your dog's food.
what's far more important than organic pet food is making sure you are feeding HUMAN-grade food. feed-grade food is nasty. this article is definitely a good place to start, but do not be confused by lesser/higher quality meats. anything below human-grade can be compromised. there is no regulation of pet food outside of AAFCO, and they only come up with the creative labels like "meal", "by-product" and "digest" (poo).
to return to shameless promotion: better to feed something just as easy, and be able to treat your pet like part of the family, rather than this furry thing that eats the gross stuff off the floor that's been trampled by your shoes, that you'd never put in your mouth.
yeah, I love Sojos, so I'm not afraid to post it again
but I don't really care if you use Sojos or Only Natural or Dr Harveys.. just that you stop using commercial pet foods and kibbles
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My family eats an organic, "Paleo" diet as much as possible (all things in moderation, of course!) so we decided to have our dogs go "Paleo" as well and buy grain-free dog food. It's a dry food (bonus for us... raw food is just a little too much work with three dogs!), the protein content is high but not so high that can damage the dogs systems (like straight raw meat can) and the rest of the food is fresh fruits and vegetables mixed in (not corn gluten, which is the corn by-product that most dog food is made of). It only makes sense that animals desended from wolves would be healthier eating a meat-based product instead of a corn-based one, but in our corn based American society these days, who is really surprised that we are feeding our pets corn too?
Anyway, we have fed our dogs "EVO" for the past two years and absolutely LOVED it! Unfortunately, Proctor&Gamble just bought out EVO and, as they did with IAMS after the Eukanuba buy out, they plan to "adjust the formula" in the food after the buyout is complete this month (June 2010). By law, P&G has six months to inform the consumer that the formula has been changed, so your dog could be eating grain & other junk for six months (while you are paying full price!) and you would never know!
In light of the buyout, we are in the process of switching over to another grain-free dog food. We have tried "Taste of the Wild" and "Orijen" foods (both in their red meat/bison formulas) and we have decided to go with "Taste of the Wild" because it is significantly cheaper. I bought three huge bags of EVO this month before the formula changed, so once the pups run out of that I will put them on "T.O.T.W." and see how it goes... I'll let you know! :)
*Don't know what to do with all of that old dog food? Corn Gluten is also a great natural, broad-leaf weed preventative for your lawn. It is part of a long term maintance program, so check out "corn gluten" on an organic/natural gardening page, but you can sprinkle the old dog food straight on your yard and it will disinigrate after a few waterings or good rains!
Oh, I forgot to mention, the grain-free diets are a lot higher in nutrients and protein (to help the dogs feel full, and not starving as diets high in empty calories like corn & sugar can... imagine if you ate McDonald's everyday instead of lean meats and salad? You'd be starving all the time!) so despite the higher price tag, the dog ends up eating a lot less quanity of food and it lasts longer. Our two young, active 50 lb dogs eat 2 cups a day and their weight is always commented on as being "perfect!" when we go to the vet (they also have amazing coats and none of them has had a single ear infection or other common ailment that we used to have before we put them on the grain-free diet!) As with organic food for humans, pay a little extra for the food now and save a lot on medical bills later!! :)
Raw is very, very easy. Meat-flavored cereal, even SOLE...I wouldn't be able to do it. Raw is so easy and cheap, and you can FEEL the health in your pets' coat. Not only that, but my cats' urine and feces do not smell. At all.
The Whole Dog Journal does a comprehensive, yearly review of dog foods with a listing of the ingredients plus info on what to look for in dog food.
Erinbowbrite, Thanks for the heads up on EVO being bought by P&G. Our dogs have done well on EVO. But with the potential changes, I think we'll consider putting them on a raw diet. A prepackaged raw diet, assuming Whole Dog Journal gives one the thumbs up.
We switched to Flint River Ranch products and could NOT be happier. We buy and have it shipped. It lasts three or four times as long as the same sized bags bought at the grocery. They've added herbs for digestive aids, essential Omega 3s, and probiotics. They've got excellent customer service, product samples, and a guarantee. At least give it a try.
Thanks for all the tips, y'all! The more praise I hear about grain-free diets, the more I want to try it.
I've heard many a good thing about Flint River... and thanks to your suggestions, I may start incorporating raw foods as I'm able to.
We use The Honest Kitchen for our dog when we thought we had tried everything else. We were using a "good" all-natural dry food, but he was still having tons of issues.
The Honest Kitchen is raw and grain-free, but it is dried and pulverized, so you add water, let it sit for about 5-10 minutes and then feed Fido.
My dog has never been so ecstatic about eating; his digestive system is now rock-star quality and his energy has reached new heights (which is hard for an energetic little monster like my pup).
Raw diet is the best way to go! I get my vizsla's food, all fresh meat and some veggies and leafy greens, from the farmers market.
By the way- 4 cups a day for a 50lb dog is too much! An adult dog should be eating 2% of their body weight per day...
After doing a significant amount of research, I feed my dog raw, and am learning to make it myself. However, it is a decision you should come to yourself. Here are some books and resources that I have found helpful:
-Our vet, Dr. Barbara Royal's food handouts, available at www.royaltreatmentvetspa.com (unbiased and gives recommendations)
-www.dogaware.com (a contributor to the Whole Dog Journal's website--very helpful and lists great resources)
-Unlocking the Canine Ancestral Diet: Healthier Dog Food the ABC Way by Steve Brown (very good, works for both kibble and homemade)
-See Spot Live Longer by Steve Brown (a good primer and intro to dog food)
-K9 Kitchen by Monica Segal
-Real Food for Healthy Dogs and Cats: Simple Homemade Food (very similar to Steve Brown's)
If you are going to stay with kibble for ease-of-use and economic reasons, definitely go grain-free. Previously we used Horizon Legacy Grain-Free, they are one of the new companies and have not been bought out and their ingredients are very good--I believe they even use sweet potato as opposed to white potato, which is good. I would encourage you though, to look into the processing that kibble goes through--I did and have since discontinued using it.
However, if you want to make the switch to raw, there are several companies out there that make it super easy. I use Darwins, which delivers to our door. Their meat is free-range and their vegetables are organic. Stella & Chewys and Paw Naturaw, and Honest Kitchen are also great companies, but a bit more expensive.
Hopefully will find something that works for you and your pup!


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Belgian Shoes seem (to me, at least) to be the ultimate college footwear.
Most college students seem to favor hoodies, pajama pants or sweatpants, and sneakers, flip-flops, or Topsiders. Sometimes even slippers, or Uggs if they're female.
It's a mixture of sleepwear, athletic wear, and loungewear. Not ideal as far as these things go.
Belgians, however, are the most versatile shoes in the world once you get past the bow. They're essentially bedroom slippers that you can wear to a black tie event as long as they're the right color. It doesn't matter whether they're brand new or old and worn out; they look great either way.
Perfect for throwing on en route to an early morning class, or extracurricular drinking. Much better than flip flops.
With this in mind, I'd like to establish something of a uniform for myself when I go off to college, just to wear around the dorms. It'll be comfortable, but still look put together.
Ideally, this would be:
- Brooks Extra-Slim-Fit Oxford button-down shirt
- Levi's 501, raw or cream, hemmed with no break
- Tretorn Nylites, Alden LHS in #8 shell, or Belgian Shoes
- Navy blazer or herringbone sport coat, as required
- Olive Barbour Liddesdale jacket
- Ties, belts 'n' shit.
All of this will be worn until faded, frayed, and threadbare.
Now, I've just got to scrape together the requisite dough somehow and get the elements I don't already have.
(And yes, I know, these are not true Belgians, but they're pretty damn cool. As far as I'm concerned, the guys who make these are qualified to do so.)
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Lock and load…the Supreme Court will weigh in soon with a gun ruling that could open he door for more gun control by states and localities or it could slam it shut in the faces of advocates for stricter legislation.
The court will soon decide whether or not the Second Amendment — used by gun fanciers as the quid pro quo for packing heat — applies to states as well as the federal government.
Some Constitutional scholars believe it does.
The court is considering a case that could strike down handgun bans in Chicago and suburban Oak Park as part of a decision on whether or not the full Bill of Rights applies as much to state and local law as it does in federal cases.
On the surface, applying the Second Amendment and the Bill of Rights to state and local government would appear to be a clear victory for gun advocates but the gun-control crowd thinks a ruling could also allow state and local government to enact tougher laws.
Gun control opponents, of course, argue just the opposite.
At issue is the due process clause of the 14th amendment which says, in part, that no state shall create or enforce any law that curtails "the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." The amendment also states that "no state shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law."
The National Rife Association says the 14th Amendment reaffirms the rights of the Second Amendment. Those who disagree says the 14th Amendment also prohibits the states from doing things like legalizing guns that others can use to deprive a person of life or liberty.
Both sides are keeping their powder dry and waiting for the court's decision.
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The wife and I watched the movie, 'Law abiding Citizen' the other night. The opening scene portrays a brutal home invasion and double murder. When it was over, my wife turns to me and says, "that was just horrible!" To which I replied, "that's why we have guns."
You'll never find me face-down and bound, watching helplessly as my family is brutalized by thugs.
We Americans have the inalienable right to protect our homes and families from those that would do us harm. The highest crime rates in the country happen to occur in places with the strictest gun control laws. That would be because criminals, by the very definition, have no respect for the laws that most of us adhere to.
"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Cesare Baccaria
This ruling will have a double edge, no matter the outcome. States rights versus federal control will be the likely implication, with all manner of debate as to "proper governmental authority", leaving aside the actual issue – individual rights.
Exactly. From what I understand, this is a case involving a black Chicago man that wishes to own a gun to protect his home and family. Normally these types of cases revolve around federal usurpment of states rights, but this case seeks to reaffirm the inalienable constitutional right of every American citizen to not only bear arms, but to feel safe and secure in his home.
In this case, I don't think the state or municipality has the authority to override the Second Amendment to the Constitution.
I agree that this case is about the right to bear arms … but it's not about the right to "feel safe and secure in one's home." We can feel safe or feel not safe depending upon our will and perception, but there is no "inalienable right" to be safe, or to feel safe.
Agreed. That was poorly worded.
The Constitutionally-guaranteed right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is tantamount to the right to be or feel safe.
The issue, Griff, goes beyond reaffirmation of 2nd amendment rights. I suggest that any time the federal govt wins a case such as this, it is the 10th amendment that takes a hit that further emboldens the Executive branch, in particular, with visions of grandeur.
I own a number of guns, unfortunately in this day and age, I must keep them locked in a gunsafe in my basement. Thanks to a young relative of mine, I no longer feel safe to keep them out in the open, thus unable to use them to protect the family if needed, I really do not fear strangers, I live in a very rural area and have several loving loyal big dogs that worship the ground my wife walks on. However they also know my relatives. I do have my doubts about this 'conservative' court, their ruling on private property v.s. eminent domain stripped me of any faith I had in them
Mr. Wells, I respectfully submit you have your choce of defense in your hand not your safe. They come in the dark of night and they don't knock politely!
This is another attempt to give the federal government control over our Bill of Rights. The Second Amendment has been roughed up for many years. Roe Vs. Wade is another threat when Conservatives get their claws into the several Amendments over personal choices. Americans are acting insane by taking sides in whether we are armed or free to choose our partners for marriage or how many children we must breed.
I realize that guns kill many innocent people but trying to license them is as ridiculous as trying to stop drugs and abortions. How much government do we need or want? How many more years will we have to fight for our rights? We seem to get dumber every generation and this is because we do not train our own children to have respect for each other and for the laws. More laws is not the answer. Another generation of ill-prepared voters will bring about total law enforcement from the federal government.
Mr. Wells, Americans went on a family values tirade after President Clinton. I never understood what those family values meant but I realize it means Social Conservative values. This is a false premise because in the last 8 years we have seen more crime, corruption and adultery from those Conservatives that should keep them within the standard Bill of Rights without all this revision of meanings. I believe that we who discuss openly our values can see the problems within the Social Conservatives. They do not think in terms of right over wrong, but how to beg for forgiveness when they sin. I'm still back as a mother and grandmother that teaching and showing right over wrong is the best way.
I'm watching the siren warnings in Hawaii of a tsunami. We need a siren all over America that our government has had enough of individual freedoms and tney want complete control over all of us. 1984 was a great warning sign but few read these books. Even my generation here in my area never heard of Orwell.
I don't need anyones permission to defend myself, my family, and my property, and will do so using any means I have available to me.
Our government seems to need more "innocent victims" always claiming they were "in the wrong place at the wrong time" to show us how bad guns are. It should be the CRIMINAL who's in the wrong place at the wrong time, not the law abiding citizen.
I think that the bottom line here is that the Constitution of the United States applies to every citizen in every circumstance. The second ammendment gives us the right to bear arms to protect us against whoever might do us harm, including but not limited to the government and other criminals. This is not an issue of more government control, it is an issue of government abiding to the laws laid out before them. unquestionable laws. Think of it this way, if a state may choose to impose laws that circumvent the right to bear arms as laid out in the constitution, then the state also reserves the right to impose laws that will circumvent the rest of the bill of rights. No freedom os speech or religon, no freedom of press. No protection against unlawfull search and seizures or cruel and unusual punishment. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land that every state in this union agreed to abide by when they agreed to jion the union. If they choose now to disobey the Constitution now, then they in effect choose to secede from the same union and fend for themselves.
Not to be too nit-picky, Dan, but the Second amendment does not "give" us anything. It simply acknowledges a pre-existing right and instructs the federal government that it is not to infringe upon that right.;-)
The Bill of Rights is a control limiting the government in all 27 Amendments. The GOP who used to be firm on this interpretation now wants limited freedoms for "most" Americans but not all. The churches refuse to allow many to have the choice of family size and are willing to put new interpretations on the First Amendment which allows the Churches to get behind elections and resrictions of their own. The LDS has made it clear that no homosexual can be brought into the Priesthood. Catholics have banned birth control and abortions and even tried to abolish Emergency Morning After Rape pills forcing a victim to carry an unwanted fetus. Social Conservatives do not want gays in the military or to be married.
This is not even close to American values but picks and chooses who to prohibit and who to accept as equals. We got through banning women from voting and then Civil Rights for minorities to vote. Apparently Family Values are only for white, straight Christian men.
Apparently both sides of the aisle wants more laws to control the people. Both parties are running on government federal controls over American vices and habits. To listen to the campaign speeches every two years and how one side wants legislated health care and the other wants family values legislated. We keep voting these fools into office which indicates the American voters want a top heavy government to tell the voters what not to do.
I am as firm about equal rights as you are about guns. I had no idea how demanding the voters were until I went on line. I had no idea how much influence the churches had over the people until 2000.
This is not my America! What the hell is wrong with individual choices? You must have read the warning signs from Orwell, Wells, Heinlein and all the others. The U.S. Constitution is a document containing the Bill of Rights. When millions of Americans are overlooked by any organized group, it is wrong! I have pleaded with you, Hos, to write your opinions on the internet and now I understand why you don't.
The court will probably continue down the same two-pronged path they have been for awhile now.
1-The individual has the right to own weapons.
2-Governments can choose in the public interest to regulate said ownership, as long as it does now totally ban said ownership.
2-Governments can choose in the public interest to regulate said ownership, as long as it does NOT totally ban said ownership.
Sorry 'bout that…
With all due respect, you have a fairly poor handle on the issues in this case. Particularly with respect to the Privileges or Immunities clause and the Due Process clause, and also with respect to what 14A incorporation of the 2A will mean. It will NOT "prohibit the states from legalizing guns that others can use to deprive a person of life or liberty." That statement makes sense only to the Mad Hatter! It would mean, in the end, that "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed by federal, state, or local governments." It will prohibit the infringement … not the exercise … of individual rights.
"Those who disagree says the 14th Amendment also prohibits the states from doing things like legalizing guns that others can use to deprive a person of life or liberty."
Isn't this a very weak argument because the only way to legalize something is to repeal the law that first made it illegal?
I do have my doubts about this 'conservative' court, their ruling on private property v.s. eminent domain stripped me of any faith I had in them
This ruling was made by the more 'liberal' members of SCOTUS, 5-4.
John Paul Stevens, Anthony Kennedy, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer
Recommended reading: "The Second Amendment Primer" by Les Adams.
Should be available from the NRA bookstore or go to: http://WWW.Palladiumpress.com
This is a compilation of what the founding fathers actually meant with the Second Amendment. This amendment should actually be reversed in order with the first. The second protects all the rest.
Carl, I agree with you and the list of infringements is too long to list on one site. The Patriot's act is a joke! It is the ultimate control over all Americans. Our trying to bring democracy into the Middle East was a damn lie. In my book it was a planned Crusade to bring Muslims down. Every 50 years or so the Religious right wants a war against any nation not representing Jesus Christ. Religious freedom will prevail in America but not until we destroy Islam and possibly Israel. Both sides of the aisle are eating away at our individual freedoms. There is no where to go and no party to bring into the government. We will continue this crusade until we are again extinct.
I wrote about this in 1999 when I saw the influrnce of the churches in our elections. I'm not allowed to say this here because many believe I'm quite mad but damnit I have read the histories of what religion can do to nations. I'm logging out again before I am again banned. Had the First Amendment separated church and state, we would not be in this clash of family values.
Last year the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the Constitution and law abiding citizens (see Heller vs District of Columbia). Their verdict is that the Second amendment affirms to the individual the right to bear arms to protect oneself. D.C. is still resisting the decision by the way.
Obama's shining city on the lake and Oak Grove, Il. disagreed. Their stance is that D.C. is a federal entity and not a state, therefore the SC ruling did not apply to them. Dailey is spending millions in an attempt to deprive the law abiding citizens of their Constitutionally acknowledged rights.
Unfortunately our newest apointee to the bench; "Poor Sonya's had a hard life and therefore qualified for the SC", has previously espoused this same position. Of course when she was vetted these questions were never asked. Go figure, she was nominated by the annointed one and confirmed by his lackeys. It WILL prove interesting.
The gun control crowd doesn't think losing in McDonald will help their goals, they just know they are almost certainly going to LOSE and wish to spin it ahead of time — much as for years they tried to spin the 2nd Amendment as protecting some weird (read: non-existent) "collective right", even there are no such things.
A win for McDonald will set a "ratchet' or 'bar' past which no state may venture in gun control, it will in no way authorize any new infringements — claiming so is a lie and believing those who claim it require fairly severe ignorance.
Why? Because the state constitutions of over 44 states already explicitly protect the right to bear arms, and gun control laws are already as severe as the courts and political reality will allow.
After McDonald wins, ALL states and local governments will be required to provide a minimal level — or greater — respect and protection for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.
Most states already do this, and the majority go a bit further than the minimum even if none go far enough, except perhaps Alaska and Vermont, but that is changing too.
No gun control law is actually constitutional since NONE — NOT ONE — can be shown to work to prevent violent crime.
None of the CDC, DoJ, nor the National Academy of Science has been able to identify any (ANY!) gun control law which can be shown to reduce any (ANY!) of murder, violent crime, suicides nor accidents.
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- World War I Photograph Albums and PostcardsL NYPL Digital Collection
- The NYPL Digital Collection provides access to thousands of digitised images of primary resource materials held in the collections of the New York Public Library and its archives. This collection contains over 400 examples of photographs and postcards relating to World War one 1914-1918. They include drawings from American soldiers serving in France; a series of German photographic postcards; and a French automaker's published album. Topics covered include military scenes, battles, images of soldiers and trenches. Each image has a full bibliographic description. Copyright details are …
- World war one color photos
- The World War One Colour Photos website provides exactly what the title suggests - colour photographs from the First World War. The site brings together hundreds of photographs, mainly of French troops or taken by the French army. The subject matter of the photographs consists predominantly of desolate scenes of destroyed buildings, and groups of soldiers at the front, but there are other more peaceful scenes, such as those of villages that had actually escaped the shelling. Many of the pictures are annotated in English and French (the English being a translation by the site's autho…
- Art and Vision of Stanley Spencer
- An essay on Stanley Spencer.
- Entering Spencer's world at war
- In the Telegraph (Nov 2008), to mark the 90th anniversary of the armistice, Sophie Campbell visits the Sandham Memorial Chapel, adorned by Stanley Spencer's amazing paintings.
- First World War.com : Satirical Magazines of the First World War : Punch and the Wipers Times
- An article from the First World War.com website.
- Flickr Group : The Great War Archive
- The Great War Archive is closed for submissions, BUT you can upload your images to Flickr and add them to our group.
- Flickr Group : World War I
- A group on Flickr, a photo sharing website.
- Imperial War Museum : Camouflage
- The website to accompany this exhibition from 2007 which explored the impact of camouflage on modern warfare and its adoption into popular culture.
- The Heritage of the Great War / First World War 1914-1918
- A Dutch website in English/Dutch with graphic colour photos, pictures and music, as well as thought-provoking articles.
- US National Archives : Teaching With Documents : Photographs of the 369th Infantry and African Americans during World War I
- A lesson plan with downloadable resources and a bibliography about the American 369th Infantry (the "Harlem Hellfighters"), an all-black regiment under the command of mostly white. From the website of the U.S. National Archives and Records Administration.
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The Phaenomena, written by Aratus of Soli in 276-274 B.C., enjoyed immense popularity in antiquity and was translated into Latin verse by Marcus Tullius Cicero, Germanicus Caesar and Rufius Festus Avienus, and into Latin prose by an anonymous author writing in the seventh century A.D. Previous studies of these works have provided important observations about individual aspects of the Latin poems and this thesis seeks to add to the understanding and appreciation of the works by comparing in detail the three verse translations and, where appropriate and possible, the prose Aratus Latinus, with the Greek original with each other. The first chapter examines the problem of the popularity of the Greek Phaenomena down to the Renaissance and the second chapter investigates the nature of translation as a Roman literary phenomenon. The five chapters which follow include statistical surveys, based on both scansion of the poems and on computer-concordances compiled for the thesis, and stylistic analyses in order to elucidate the degree to which the translations were dependent upon and independent from the Greek model and the similarities and differences among the translations themselves Chapter III investigates four aspects of metre (metrical patterns, first and fourth foot, elision, and caesurae and disereses). Chapter IV examines the quantity of sound and, in particular, initial consonantal alliteration. Chapter V contains a discussion of compound adjectives and epithets and Chapter VI, a discussion of special astronomical vocabulary (words of brightness, color terms and four special words: this, laetus, tristis, crinis). Chapter VII investigates Greek words and Latin archaisms in the Latin translations and establishes evidence for Cicero's creation of a uniquely Latin poem through the use of Latin archaisms. The final chapter discusses further the emergence of a distinctly Roman Phaenomena, for Germanicus in the use of references to aspects of Roman life and for Avienus in the area of borrowings from the previous Latin translations of Aratus' poem. It concludes with a study of the ways in which each of the verse translators alter the emphasis of the original by reshaping its theme, thereby emphasizing the extent to which the translators went beyond their Greek model to create individual and original Latin works.
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Lewis, Anne-Marie, "From Aratus to the Aratus Latinus a comparative study of Latin translation" (1983). Open Access Dissertations and Theses. Paper 3199.


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