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The Grapevine says, Disney is about to Green Light a TRON LEGACY sequel...
Hey folks, Harry here...
And this was the happy word I received today on the Grapevine of Industry Insiders. TRON LEGACY, a film that many people loved, and a lot of people wanted more from, and that a very vocal minority incessantly bitch about... is getting close, incredibly close to having its SEQUEL announced!
As TRON LEGACY is set to cross $300 million worldwide, the film has proved, beyond a doubt that there is an audience that buys this science fiction fantasy. And as DAFT PUNK's blisteringly awesome TRON LEGACY score continues to power the geek work force of the nation to plow through mindnumbing task after task... Disney is beginning to realize, TRON could be a franchise.
As kids around the country pulled out wall crawling light trail leaving Tron LIGHT CYCLES from under their Christmas trees, Disney has been counting the receipts - and I'm told... it's about to hit the tipping point.
Now the real question is... Where does TRON go from here? There is a plan, but it is being closely guarded. There's a TV show in the works to keep the brand popping till the next Theatrical run, but it looks like us TRON geeks won't be having to sit around for 28 years hanging onto this last one, like we did the first one.
I just want glowing TRON shoes in Adult sizes. Yeah, I'm crazy that way. I have had the old Adidas TRON shoes long before TRON LEGACY was announced as happening, and my Hallmark TRON ornament desperately wants a glowy RECOGNIZER ornament next year!
So... if you've been stalling revisiting the game grid again, after watching THE GREEN HORNET this weekend, take another trip.
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Jan. 13, 2011, 12:54 a.m. CST
C'mon SEQUEL!
by HEADGEEK
Disney getting close to announcing the TRON LEGACY sequel? That's what I'm hearing!
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:55 a.m. CST
Legacy was cool...
by PJoseph
not sure if there is much more to say though. But when a film makes 300 million, they'll find something!
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:56 a.m. CST
by Lazerman21
You got it Harry, will do right after I see GREEN HORNET! END OF LINE
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:07 a.m. CST
Vocal minority? Seemed like half and half to me.
by JuanSanchez
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST
We need a TRON ride at Disney!!!
by Orionsangels
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:10 a.m. CST
by Phategod100
It was cool Im a cynic but I liked it, not loved it, though the score was very good should be nominated for best score (it be worth it to see daft punk come on stage with those damn helmets.) I'd watch a sequel The end was little ridiculous but WTF. Other then the PIXAR movies this is only thing disney has that peeks my interest.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST
Great news!
by Peter Venkman
Great! I really dug Legacy.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:12 a.m. CST
Great news!
by DirkAngerReloaded23
Although the story in Legacy did have some plot holes that really annoyed me, in general I loved almost everything else about the movie. Things I'd like to see in the sequel - bring back Daft Punk obviously, try to flesh out Cillian Murphy's character in more as a main bad guy, don't change anything as far as the graphics go because I found them to be as perfect as could be, & finally a simple request....MORE TRON!!!! The friggin movie has his name on it for God's sake!
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST
by leeland
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:16 a.m. CST
I liked TRON Legacy but...
by Orionsangels
The story wasn't that interesting and nor were the characters. I was also disappointed with the Lightcycle scene. It lacked an exciting score. It was almost silent and that made sense in the original Tron given the awesome sound the Lightcycles made, but in Legacy the Lightcycles don't make as cool a sound. The scene needed a more exciting energized score to make it memorable. That being said. The movie is all about a series of cool moments. In that respect the movie doesn't flow well. For example you're watching a scene where they talk and you're bored waiting for that cool moment to come. It does though seem to become cooler on repeat viewings. There's quotes that get better upon repeat viewings, for example when Flynn says, "Bio-digital Jazz Man!" It's funny and memorable. I can see lines from this film being sampled for rap and techno tracks in the future.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:17 a.m. CST
actually have Tron in it!
by GhostDad
I was a big fan of Legacy, but I hope the next movie actually has Tron in it (and I know he was *technically* in Legacy).
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:20 a.m. CST
Did AICN report that the TRON legacy Bluray was announced?
by Orionsangels
At least for the UK. It comes in a double pack with both Legacy and the original Tron. http://tinyurl.com/4jlm6vp
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:37 a.m. CST
Sequel? Sign me up
by NeoDevilbaneX
I liked Legacy. More than the first, even.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:37 a.m. CST
Did anyone else think 'Mannequin' when seeing the ending?
by Kamaji
Maybe it's because you have a girl from a different place riding with a guy through city streets on a motorcycle to 80's-sounding music. I figure once I can get ahold of a copy, I'll do a music video compilation for Sam and Quorra to the tune of Starship's 'Nothing's Gonna Stop Us Now.'
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:41 a.m. CST
Hopefully a better script...
by Joel Rickenbach
There are some very good things in Legacy, but the script was terrible. The entire framework of the film barely makes sense. We need visionaries for the sequel, writing and directing. People who will take the material and turn it in unexpected directions.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:45 a.m. CST
Where does TRON go from here? WHO THE FUCK CARES?!!
by JonChambers
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:46 a.m. CST
If you ad the movie's cost + P&A (advertising) - TRON hasn't made a dime!!
by JonChambers
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:47 a.m. CST
"...very vocal minority incessantly bitch about..."
by I87D
Can you be more condescending? In the real world, I have yet to meet anyone satisfied by that movie. Anecdotal? Yes. But also true.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:49 a.m. CST
TRON RATING (10 being best) -- SPECIAL EFFECTS: 10 SCRIPT: -.0001
by JonChambers
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:52 a.m. CST
"vocal minority"
by Bass Ackwards
its like how George Lucas insist that kids growing up today actually love Jar Jar.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:57 a.m. CST
compare TRON:L to TANGLED ...
by justmyluck
... a simple comparison since they're from the same studio; and it's clear TRON:L is doing more-or-less kids-n-tots business for Disney as of 1/11/2011. TRON:L : BoxOfficeMojo world cume= $292,918,954 IMDB audience= 7.4 / 10 Rotten Tomatoes critics= 49% fresh TANGLED : BoxOfficeMojo world cume= $355,674,327 IMDB audience= 8.1 /10 Rotten Tomatoes critics= 89% fresh Granted, TANGLED has had three more weeks for the box-office end, but it's clearly a bigger success with audiences and critics. Disney hauled out an older property called TRON and an old fairy tale called RAPUNZEL, gave each sizeable budgets and "within parameters" scripts, marketed (much more for TRON:L) and brought in two hits for the kids/tween market. Disney is likely counting on heavier merch receipts from TRON:L, considering all the toys. When you consider all the viral marketing for TRON:L (which must have went on for more than a year), it's still hasn't fared much better (or worse) in the market than a 3D animated Disney flick.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:01 a.m. CST
Oscar Winners Daft Punk has a nice sound to it.
by Julius Dithers
If the T:L score were nominated, I'd actually watch that award show. It's funny how the movie Hanna boasts a soundtrack by the Chemical Brothers and some other movie is being scored by Basement Jaxx. If only Liam-fucking-Prodigy-Howlett would score The Dark Knight Rises... If only...
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:16 a.m. CST
The issue of marketing $$ = loss is flawed.
by Arcadian Del Sol
The reason the marketing isn't going to factor is because when Disney greenlit $$ for marketing, they knew they were marketing not one movie, but three. So even if Tron:L manages to break even, they'll go with a sequel with the presumption being that they wont have to do nearly as much marketing the 3rd time around - they spent it all up front.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:20 a.m. CST
by Meadowe
With more focus on Bruce as Tron, even though admittedly that'll prolly cost a ton.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:22 a.m. CST
Blu-ray art doesn't seem right.
by futureman3000
I think it's fake. Tron Legacy is great.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:23 a.m. CST
by Meadowe
It seemed like Hedlund's charaqter didn't really like anyone except for his pooch. I'm sure Wilde's charaqter will be interested in interaqting with the dog, and hedlund will be all, "since we're on the subjeqt, there's this thing I wanna show you called doggystle..."
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:23 a.m. CST
by Mark Dianda
Enough with the hate already. Ya, we get it, some people didn't like it, thought it was shlock and fell flat in script, acting and (for some people) the soundtrack. Some folks poo-pooed the idea that the movie didn't and won't make enough to warrant a sequel. Ok, everyone has a opinion. Get fucked. Seriously, most of you don't even know how to write a screenplay let alone critique a movie properly. Massawyrm hit the nail on the head in the second part of his review of the film. The soundtrack was phenomenal and was tailored to the action beautifully, so well, that it stands on it's own just as soundtracks from John Williams or Wendy Carlos. As for the vocal minority, ya, the fact remains that it has a 49% approval on rotten tomatoes (51% disapproval for a number of reviewers per capita) and IMDB, but the movie going public gives it a 70% approval on RT and a B average on Movie Mojo. This is translating to a $292 million world wide box office gross so far. I repeat, so far. The movie cost $170 million to make. That leaves $122 million in marketing dollars. If Disney spent that much, it was well worth it. I look forward to reviewing the 10k on profits from the merchandising. digital downloads, rentals and DVD/BlueRay sales. This movie is the beginning. It was written and produced to establish a new hero and open the door to other possibilities. If it was boring to you, then don't watch it again or buy anything movie or product related. Your dollars will NOT be missed nor your opinions. The names of the whiners and bitches are no surprise. When the sequel is green lit, and it will be, I have one thing to say. Suck it.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:25 a.m. CST
Cindy Morgan should be in the sequel as Queen Yori
by Orionsangels
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:26 a.m. CST
by Meadowe
I've seen him on talq shows, and they were praising him for being in True Grit and Tron, and he seemed to come off as more interested and enthusiastic about being in tg, and was more like meh when they asked him about tl. At least that's what impression I got.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:27 a.m. CST
@jonchambers Apparently a lot of people care! It made 300 million!
by Orionsangels
Too bad mr minority!
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:31 a.m. CST
Tron and the web
by dynamicb
my big gripe is....when is the Tron world gonna hit the internet!! Thats what the original was mostly about anyways .....the MCP assimilating systems thru interlinking computers. The whole threat was that he was about to tap into government computers......The grid story was cool but I'd like to see Tron stumble upon Tube8.com.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:37 a.m. CST
I don't like to be negative
by jonathancaltman
But Tron: Legacy in 3D had me checking my watch. I thought maybe since it was a sequel to a movie that 20 years ago revolutionized our perspective on technology, it would do the same for 2010. It didn't. It played like a fanfic from 1983. For a site constantly complaining about visual splendor and auditory assaults serving as crutches to genuine storytelling, you guys sure do seem to love this bullshit. Maybe you have to be old enough to think the ideas it posits are at all compelling. Me? I grew up with virtual worlds inhabited by compelling characters that I was able to join or take control of. This film spoke to people who stopped playing games in the PS1 era. If you want something like Tron was back when it was released, you have to go to Bioshock or Mass Effect. Darwinia. Metal Gear. Or a few dozen others (excluding the Tron: Legacy videogame cash-in, naturally). Seeing Harry claim that I didn't "get it" makes me sad about what Harry thinks he "gets."
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:37 a.m. CST
I enjoyed it
by damned-dirty-ape
It wasn't the greatest film ever and was obviously a bridge to sequels but i didn't feel any where near as dissapointed coming out of the cinema as i had for the majority of the films last year. I personally think they should go with a director who could get more of a performance out of the actors, as everyone in TL were pretty bland apart from Sheen who was just out of control. An example of that was when Flynn found out what had become of Tron. There was absolutely no emotional punch to it at all. Everything fell kind of flat. I don't think it's really a suprise that they are going ahead with a sequel with the amount of money already invested in the cartoon and marketing. I for one look forward to it.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:44 a.m. CST
Another sequel? Yes please!!
by Ecto-1
I totally loved Tron Legacy. Daft Punk's score was fantastic. My fave most recent score since Inception.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:45 a.m. CST
by damned-dirty-ape
I think thats mostly due to all the greenscreen work which is pretty hard going on actors. I remember seeing an interview with Ewan McGregor when he'd been confirmed for Star Wars and he was so excited. I saw another interview once filming had been completed and you could tell he hated the experience altogether. If you have to act and react towards nothing and you have a director who doesn't work well with actors, you are going to get a bland performance. I think that was one of the biggest problems TL had. Kosinsky has the visual flair, just not the experience to interact with the actors for them to give an exceptional performance.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:47 a.m. CST
rkdn & hellboy777 ...
by justmyluck
rkdn : Don't count on Disney front-loading the TRON:L marketing. For example, THE DARK KNIGHT had to be viral and mainstream marketed by WARNER much more than BATMAN BEGINS. hellboy777 : It's great that you've been enlightened by Massawyrm's TRON:L analysis to the point of a love-it-or-leave-it 'get f*cked' and 'suck it' appraisal. Hurray - you're the target audience for TRON:L!
Loved Legacy, and would love to see a sequel. The criticism is a bit bewildering to me, considering all of the great plotless movies that have been produced since the advent of cinema. If you look at it as a flick that belongs more to the surrealist vein, it's masterful.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:01 a.m. CST
Third time's the charm... right?
by DiscreetFighterAlpha
So far, both movies have had relatively neat concepts and piss poor executions in the pacing and story department. In the end, I don't really see Disney doing it, but if it were to happen, they have got to rebuild with real storytellers, and not just visual effects guys and animators.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:07 a.m. CST
by talby
i was mixed-bagged about it afterwards, but my prediction felt spot-on: i'd see it twice no questions, probably three times, in closest local 3d. (if it holds out this next week, then it's my third.) tron-ride at disney? well they really need to repurpose the aerosmith rollercoaste at florida mgm/hollywood, and damned appropriate wouldn't it be, for a super-blister black-light ride through cyberspace? that is, if they'd lengthen the damned thing by 2.5 or three times. it's way too short right now.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:17 a.m. CST
So will FOX greenlight another Narnia?
by DirkD13"
It made more bread than TL, surely The Silver Chair is a possibility? Did not either love or hate TL, but certainly open to a sequel.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:34 a.m. CST
by j2talk
my kids will be glad to hear that.......
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:36 a.m. CST
de-ageing effects
by ahdvd
I LOVED tron legacy, but if there's any de-ageing effects to be used in the next one (i'm guessing they'de have to bring back Tron as he is the name) then FOR THE LOVE OF GOD do not do the performance as a CGI character with a CGI animated mouth! Have the actor play the part and then use CGI to overlay a younger looking skin over the actor's face! The mouth movements are distracting to say the least on CLU and the flashback Flynn, and the Eyes are dead. Better to have the actor's eyes filmed in the scene, and then just texturemap overlay a de-aged skin over the face, leaving the eye performance to shine through, and the mouth movements looking RIGHT! Otherwise, flawless effects in TL and should be completely flawless in the next one!
Jan. 13, 2011, 4 a.m. CST
Oh FUCK IT ALL
by fettitular
The world is coming to an end soon. This just clinched it...
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:01 a.m. CST
by Alucinor
Then you haven't met me, my friends, or anyone I've talked to in real life that has actually seen the movie. Here's my review- http://www.examiner.com/video-game-industry-in-sacramento/tron-legacy-review-elitist-critics-be-damned-review
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:08 a.m. CST
Julius Dithers
by fettitular
Good call on "Liam-fucking-Prodigy-Howlett" lol I've been preaching that on this website for fuckin' YEARS! Liam Howlett scoring a flick would be bad-fucking-ASS. At least the Liam of yester-year (between '89 and '95...) Something with the sound of "Experience" or "Jilted" would be....... fucking ORGASMIC. A Paul Hartnoll (aka Orbital) score would be fuckin' epic too... as would a score by the mad genius Richard James (aka Aphex Twin). And while we're on the subject... a J.G. Thirlwell (aka "Foetus", among other things...) would be pretty interesting. And finally, a score by the "Godspeed You, Black Emperor!" guys would be possibly the GREATEST THING OF ALL TIME.
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:11 a.m. CST
by fettitular
Can't wait to hear that Chemical Bros. score for Hanna! I thought those fuckers were dead or something... lol By the way, the Chemical Brothers (while simply "good", not "great"...) fucking wipe the floor with the overrated/generic/simplistic/derivative Daft Cunt. They are soooooo fucking mediocre, it hurts........ ugh.
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:14 a.m. CST
Almost forgot...
by fettitular
The "Godspeed" scored film i spoke of before would obviously have to include their MASTER OPUS, the one and only: "The Dead Flag Blues"... ;-) Fuck yeah.
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:18 a.m. CST
By "The Grapevine", do you mean...
by xavier masterson
your source was someone consuming copious amounts of wine? T: Legacy just made it to $150 million domestic. That's with 3-D and IMAX ticket prices, and it's almost been out a month. There was talk of Superman Returns getting a greenlight for a Singer helmed sequel while it was still in theaters despite the fact that everyone knew it was under-performing. Leakinig this news to someone who'll they know will report on it is Disney's way of making it look like the film is more successful than it really is. Also, as WB did with Returns, I bet they try to keep this in theaters for as long as they can to somehow try to get it to 200 million domestic. How much was the marketing costs alone for T: Legacy?
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:12 a.m. CST
Tron ride at Disney?
by speed
Hell yeah! It'd be worth going then... Actually, Haunted Mansion and It's a small world are pretty good...
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:28 a.m. CST
I enjoyed it.
by Gabba-UK
I wasn't blown away by it but it's heart was in the right place, it established the original back into the public mind and was good old fashioned entertainment. And the two or three people I know who didn't like the score feeling admit that they thought it would be more akin to Daft Punk's usual album output, forgetting that visuals would be playing in tandem with it.
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:34 a.m. CST
Sequel? Good... THEY OWE ME A TRON MOVIE
by Ringwearer9
How the hell did they fuck things up so badly? But if they keep those same writers on board, I'll be damned if I let them fool me again. You can't ...... make a good movie ...... without a fucking SCRIPT.
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:43 a.m. CST
I liked Tron and the Sequel...
by Jodo_Kast
...but don't ask me to accept rubber tire skids and jet engine heat waves INSIDE a computer universe. It wasn't necessary. Almost like Jar Jar Binks.
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:56 a.m. CST
Re: jon chambers
by MakNeil
I don't know who said "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck." but that proverb seems lost on you, jon chambers. I don't know how these things work where you come from, but if the movie's costs (marketing and production) were as high as you were implying, then there wouldn't be rumors of a sequel. What that tells you is that your information is most likely wrong, and it's budget (including production and marketing) are probably around $290 million dollars–$170 for production and $120 for marketing) is nowhere as huge as you would like it (for some reason) to be. Face it. There will more than likely be another Tron. If you don't like that, don't see it though I am not quite sure why you feel the need to complain about it here.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:03 a.m. CST
Tron Legacy was genuinely boring..
by itsallinthereflexes
Seriously and they should have just made it 2D, I saw it at the IMAX and the supposed 3D was barely even there. The trailers before the film were more exciting.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:04 a.m. CST
by xavier masterson
The illusion of success is just as important as actual success in Hollywood. This rumor of a forthcoming sequel greenlight by the studio echos exactly what happened when Superman Returns was struggling to reach 200 million. Disney is using the same playbook.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:05 a.m. CST
classic blu ray
by Megamonki
finally--better have all the extras from the dvd
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:21 a.m. CST
Keep Daft Punk and the Special Effects...
by KillDozer
ditch everything else and start over. I enjoyed T:L the first time. Sat through it another time and was checking my watch as soon as Sam got to his Dad's house. By the time the movie manages to drag its ass to the generic night club fight it had lost me completely. There really is almost nothing compelling in T:L after the light cycle scene. I'm bored just thinking about it...
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:26 a.m. CST
Roger Ebert is part of the "Vocal Minority"
by Ringwearer9
"The artificial world is wonderfully well-rendered, building on the earlier film's ability to bring visual excitement to what must in reality, after all, be slim pickings: invisible ones and zeroes. I soon topped off on the thrill of watching Frisbees of light being hurled, but some of the chases and architectural details are effective simply because they use sites and spaces never seen. And the soundtrack by Daft Punk has such urgent electronic force that the visuals sometimes almost play as its accompaniment. It might not be safe to play this soundtrack in the car. The plot is another matter. It's a catastrophe, short-changing the characters and befuddling the audience. No doubt an online guru will produce a synopsis of everything that happens, but this isn't like an opera, where you can peek at the program notes. I expect "Tron: Legacy" to be a phenomenon at the box office for a week or so. It may not have legs, because its appeal is too one-dimensional for an audience much beyond immediate responders." Ebert gives it 3 stars, and spends much of the review rambling about the plot, but he finally gives his assessment at the end. I guess the 3 stars were for Olivia Wilde and some of the visuals. He complained about the dimness of the 3D as well.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:38 a.m. CST
Well, ok.
by skydemon
I was disappointed by Legacy because I was expecting, well hoping for, a very creative story to go along with the cool effects. So, If there is another one, I hope they concentrate much more on script this time around. All that said, I'm a huge fan of the original, and there wasn't much story there either. But, I was a teenager at the time, and it was cool. Now that I'm in my forties, TRON is pure nostalgia, and I'm much more critical now of movies than I was back then. Teens today might not care about the lack of creative writing either. But, think of the potential, of that kind of imaginative playground, and a really good script to go with it. Wow.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:39 a.m. CST
Gotta Be Closer to 50:50
by Crow3711
Cause that movie sucked HUUUUGE dick.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:42 a.m. CST
TRON was a very fun movie
by D.Vader
Bring on some more GRID action! And the digital soul of Flynn hanging around Sam's neck. And if Flynn ans CLU are now one, might we see some Jeckyll and Hyde sides of Flynn, should e return? Or would he just be a digital guru of sorts, staying out of the way in the ether except when truly needed?
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:46 a.m. CST
Legacy started off well, but...
by rbatty024
goddamn it went down the tube fast. I was really hoping for more from that film.
Jan. 13, 2011, 7 a.m. CST
Legacy had a few faults but has major potential as start of a franchise
by Swordfleece
I thought it was pretty good. Could have done with more of Tron to give it some balance - I think that's what was missing
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:22 a.m. CST
Story sucked...
by Dazzler69
But I liked the effects....ok for me for sequel, tv show might have better stories anyway if that happens. They should have made the movie around games only with subplot of going to real world.
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:23 a.m. CST
Tron Legacy is Not Going To End up a Bomb . . .
by kevinwillis.net
The original Tron wasn't a bomb, either. It wasn't ET, but it more that doubled it's cost during it's original run (which is generally considered a success, when you get a 100% return on revenues), and has been a consistent producer of additional, largely cost free revenues via beta, VHS, DVD, TV Sales, and licensing since then. Maybe Disney at the time wanted it to be a Snow White, and it wasn't. And it cost more to produce than Apple Dumpling Gang movies. So they went in other directions. But it wasn't a bomb. Just so ya know.
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:33 a.m. CST
by JudasPriestly
This awesome movie delivered the goods and deserves a sequel. All the TRON geeks celebrate! All the haters can suck it! HA HA HA HA !!!!
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:35 a.m. CST
Box Office Gross Does NOT go to the studio.
by Shan
I don't know how many times this has to be pointed out but if the film has grossed $292 million worldwide so far, only probably closer to half that goes to the studio as the rest is kept by the theatres that screen it. For the record I hope it succeeds and I really do want to see a sequel but it's not out of the woods yet. (There's the added fact that Disney *might* be willing to live with it being a loss leader if it shifts enough merchandise). Any sequel is also going to need a much better script than Legacy as well.
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST
Legacy was alright
by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies
but if they do a sequel it had better be a darn sight better. I quite liked the Daft Punk score but I think it is getting more praise than it deserved. It was unrelentingly dour, could have used some of the joy and wonder of the orignal's Wendy Carlos score. I think Daft Punk needed more experience when it comes to scoring films, and Konsinski needed more experience directing them.
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:44 a.m. CST
This movie is MUCH more than eye candy
by GeorgieBoy
Sure, there are some rough spots in the story, but there is a LOT of thought provoking material to discuss. The God/Creator vs. Satan, the failure of Utopia, the clash between "brothers" Sam and Clu, the idea of the ISOs and how that could ruin Clu's pursuit of perfect, the father/son issues, etc., etc., etc. Bring on the sequel!
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:48 a.m. CST
Worst Blu Ray Cover of all time?
by A-COD
If a 4th grader submitted that cover as an art project they would get a "D".
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:51 a.m. CST
I loved Tron Legacy
by michael
and as far as the "vocal minority," I have yet to meet anyone in the real world that didn't also love it. I honestly don't get all the complaining about the script. I've seen a lot of critics say that the story was weak, but no one ever says why. I thought Clu was a fascinating and complex villain, even more so than the MCP, and aside from one or two very brief moments he completely surpassed the Uncanny Valley. Sam wasn't the most compelling hero, but he had a great story. The only thing in this movie that wasn't perfect for me was the way the Tron world seemed a little too much like the real world, specifically the way Gem shows up later at a crosswalk with an umbrella. When she first shows up it's implied that her entire function is to be in that alcove. When she comes back later you're forced to imagine that that's just her day job, that at the end of the day that thing opens up and she punches out on the clock and goes home, probably to a modest little apartment where she feeds her cat. The original Tron had was a more alien world. You didn't wonder what the programs did in their spare time because they were just programs, not people. You didn't wonder about what it was like to live in that world because that world was just a metaphor for the inner workings of a computer. In this film though, the characters are people first and programs second. The attempt to give this world a more livable sensibility rob it of the awesome alien wonder of the original.
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST
by doom master
is because last holiday season was BORING in terms of movies to watch, this was the only popcorny action flick out there, and after last year's Avatar hangover, movigoers apparently want to form a trend now of seeing sci fi flicks during the Xmas season... so they eat Tron up and it makes millions. no i dont want another goddamn sequel.
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:59 a.m. CST
Great to hear!
by Bob
Kilik, and i'm sure, other haterz are gonna be all butthurty and whiny about it. *grinning* Have a great day all. *grins more*
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:10 a.m. CST
Im actually quite suprised to hear this, and to be
by southafricanguy
honest I will believe it when I see it. I thought TL was amazing visually, and had some cool scenes and ideas, but wow was the script weak. And considering the high cost of TL im not sure how almost 300 mil after a month makes it profitable enough for them to already be considering a sequal. But regardless, im happy for the die hard Tron fans if this is indeed true. I just hope that three times the charm and next time they actually take some time to write an actual good script before they start filming next time.... I never got the whole "TRON thing" as I have always found the original to be a pretty weak film, but I could see the potential of it with TL.....
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST
But hasn't anyone heard, it's a big flop?...
by jimmy_009
$300 million worldwide, probably the same amount in merchandise sold. It's a giant flop! Right? Damn, now what are haters gonna hate on?... Glad they're making a sequel, it was one of the coolest experiences in quite a while and an interesting world despite a mediocre story. Hopefully they can nail that last part and hit it out of the park.
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:12 a.m. CST
Tron Legacy did not flop, it just underperformed theatrically
by ahdvd
It has done well enough and is still taking money at the box office around the world, it is at the very least going to end up making back costs of production and advertising once the theatrical run ends. The way Disney works with these things is they find someone to do partnership deals with so they dont have to spend as much money themselves for advertising, so the cost of that will not be entirely placed on Disney's shoulders. The score has made a lot of money from cd releases and the toy lines and merchandising has made more than enough money. We havent even gotten to the DVD/Blu Ray release yet, which is where even the biggest of movie flops have made money, so you can bet Disney is not at a loss on this movie, and will eventually end up with quite a little profit margin. Plus, a large part of the cost of production was getting all the effects to work properly, working out how to shoot things, so now that they have 99% of that already sorted and have that in place, they will not need to spend as much on any further films as they have figured out most of the effects already.
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:18 a.m. CST
I Loved The Movie But Did Think "Mannequin" At The End
by Autodidact
.. I wish they would not have brought her into the real world. Or at least made it some kind of one-off (which they sort of did by making her the only remaining ISO). I really hope the sequel doesn't focus on the computer beings coming into the real world. I'd rather see it focus on the implications of the internet, hackers, etc... you know stick with the computer stuff.
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:26 a.m. CST
by RogueWarrior65
Saw it yesterday. Great stuff but a little draggy and not enough fleshing out of certain characters. Where was that douchebag programmer from the boardroom? A sequel has possibilities. Rescuing Flynn should be a top priority because it hit home given that my own father was recently "rescued" from cancer.
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:27 a.m. CST
TL = Flawed Greatness! I belly-laugh at the dolts who...
by Behemoth
... continually declared this film a flop and that a sequel was an impossibility. Especially at Adam's Taint, whose continual "breakdown" of the film's financials now has been proven to be nothing more than the foul-smelling croaks of a mentally-challenged baboon. Way to call it, brainiac! You FOOLS! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaha!! Drop your pantaloons and kneel as Tron reams you with his cybernetic ramming shank. You will NOT receive a reach-around. End of Line.
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:51 a.m. CST
Turn Tomorrowland into The Grid
by Prof. Pop-Cult
The Disney parks these days are mostly nostalgia parks for the boomer generation.
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:54 a.m. CST
Nobody wants a sequel more than me....but....
by Jaster
Unfortunate as it is, Tron: Legacy has not performed well. Yes, it's about to cross $300M worldwide, but remember that it cost $170M to make and had one of the largest marketing campaigns I've seen. Let's say $100M for the marketing and all those prints. So $270M total. But hey, it still came out ahead right? Actually, no. Studios only get about 50% of the take at theaters. The rest go to the theaters themselves. Tron: Legacy ended up costing $270M and has taken in $150M. LOSING $120M. The deciding vote is of course ancillary things like merchandising, pay-per-view, cable and of course home video. There's a very good chance Tron will do quite well on home video. So the ground will definitely be made up, but where's the profit? What if the cartoon bombs? Look, I applaud Disney for taking the chance to go back to Tron. I love both films. It just doesn't make much sense from a business standpoint to do another film. Disney is at least very hesitant because remember they had already greenlit a sequel before the film was released and apparently recinded it.
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:56 a.m. CST
That Tron logo still looks great.
by Mr Nicholas
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:02 a.m. CST
Turn a profit
by enderandrew
I remember reading all those articles that this movie needed to hit $600 million to turn a profit and what a huge risk it was. Tron: Legacy didn't need to turn a profit. It just needed to start a new franchise. They will sell Tron iPhone apps, Tron toys, Tron video games, Tron lunchboxes, and add new Tron attractions to Disney World. Add to that the Tron TV series in the works, and Tron: Legacy will prove to be far more profitable that most realize.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST
I just want glowing TRON shoes in Adult sizes.
by phifty2
Harry, you can't walk. Who gives a fuck about the shoes you're wearing?
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:04 a.m. CST
I think the sequel will be set in the real world, and here's why...
by Prof. Pop-Cult
Elements from the Grid world invade and bleed over into the real world -- literally augmenting the real world and trying to achieve "perfection." The ENCOM HQ building itself will become the new MCP. My argument/prediction that this is where they are headed: this idea is hinted at, suggested throughout Tron Legacy in several instances (the mirrored dialog by Kevin/Clu: "Out/In there is our destiny!"), the fact that Quorra is now in the real world, Clu's obsession with achieving "perfection" in The Grid and our real world lacks "perfection." Thematically, having the Grid world bleed into the real world alludes to the real-world technology of augmented reality. Thus, it's a timely and forward-thinking idea for a movie. As has been speculated in other Talkbacks, they could have Sam's Ducati "augment" into a Light Cycle at the flick of a switch. Quorra could drive an off-road SUV that turns into a Light Runner. Imagine Grid Bugs stampeding through downtown Los Angeles. As for another argument as to why the producers and Disney would elect to go this route, as opposed to setting another movie mostly in The Grid: what else, really, new is there to be done in that setting? About the only thing Tron Legacy lacked were Grid Bugs and a new MCP (and as I pointed out above, the ENCOM building itself could be a "ghost in a machine" that becomes the new MCP in the next movie). Having the next movie set in the real world where the Grid world augments it would certainly present something new to the average moviegoer. As for more adventures in The Grid setting: That's what the upcoming CG-animated series is for -- to delve further into that world, and to nurture the franchise and sell toys to little boys. So I'm willing to bet on this: the next Tron will be about the Grid world merging with the real world. The title will be something like TRON BEYOND to convey this idea.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST
Very VERY happy about this news!
by SifoDyasJr
I absolutely loved this movie. It's not perfect (are the talkbackers who expected it to be perfect disciples of CLU?), but what works works so well that I'm dying to see more. This really made my day!
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:17 a.m. CST
"There is a plan, but it is being closely guarded."
by James_Camera_On
Translated into english that means they don't have a fuckin' clue what to do next. It's just another merchandise movie, which Harry all but admits. And I don't care if they come out with Tron jockstraps and condoms. So Tron:Legacy passed 300 Million? BFD. So did Voyage of the Dawn Treader. So did the Golden Compass (remember that?) Everybody knows and admits the screenplay to TL sucked. The disney people are now backed into so many corners the only hope is . . . Are you ready for this? . . . Are you sure? . . . OK . . . Tron: The Reboot.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:31 a.m. CST
Harry's little dig at those who hated Tron Legacy.
by knowthyself
Vocal minority? Seems like it was the majority to me Harry.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:44 a.m. CST
Very cool
by ewokstew
I'll definitely go see a sequel. This time, though, get a better script.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:51 a.m. CST
Write a decent script, and we'll see
by UCB Agent1
I expected the movie to at least make sense Harry. Maybe for the sequel they can make a movie with good visual effects AND a good story. But maybe that is asking too much...
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:53 a.m. CST
"minority" MY ASS!
by vettebro
More like the majority I've talked to. Like 90% of my friends and colleagues agree. Tron Legacy sucked. Face reality Harry. Seriously.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:55 a.m. CST
Probably half the people I've talked to didn't like it...
by kidicarus
And the other half seemed to. And I haven't seen it yet, so I have no idea what to think.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:56 a.m. CST
by HEADGEEK
Actually, in terms of the full audience that has seen the film - over half rated the film "A", another 27% gave it a "B" - This takes into account non-geeks, mid-america families that wanted to take their kids this holiday season to a film that was PG.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:03 a.m. CST
Setting in the real world?
by TheBigDogg
I don't know about that at all. Quite a few people really didn't buy into the idea of the computer programmes being converted to real people so I think doing a whole film on that could be a real risk. As for what else could they do on the Grid... well, it doesn't have to be the Grid to be inside a computer world. The Grid was a closed system last updated externally in 1989. A modern system connected to the net would be a whole other world with a serious amount of potential. A world many were hoping they would explore in this but didn't. And, as far as I could see, the natural next setting they were setting up in this movie was not the Encom building, but the Encom 12 operating system.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:05 a.m. CST
WE ARE FAMILY! Woot! Love LOve LOVE
by Buddha Master
Tron Legacy! Saw it 3 times and amazingly loved it more the last time I saw it. Seriously. I think it is awesome. They did right by Tron. Please I would love another one.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:08 a.m. CST
Re: i87d
by Pagz
Fair enough. To counter that I'll put forth that of the over 20 people I know who have seen the film, all of them loved it. In fact, I've yet to meet anyone in person who didn't love the movie. The only hate I've encountered for the movie has been online. Curious.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:13 a.m. CST
Vocal MINORITY, without a doubt.
by Behemoth
Hogs. I haven't met one person who didn't at least ENJOY the movie. Most loved it. As did I. AS. DID. I. That fact alone makes the Tron-lovers a HUGE majority, as my evolved brain accounts for nearly 223,057 humans with so-called "normal" brain function. Enjoy the reaming Tron shall soon administer, non-believers and haters. He shall use no lube. End of line.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:14 a.m. CST
I want to like Tron
by Beezbo
but the concept is so damn silly (people as programs!) that I just can't seem to get into it. Orionsangel is spot-on about the soundtrack, too - the light-cycle sequence needed cool music, not silence. For all the hoopla about Daft Punk, I was surprised how little the soundtrack pumped me up! Best Intellivision game ever: Tron Deadly Discs.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:24 a.m. CST
Every single person in real life I've talked to about it liked it
by D.Vader
For what it's worth.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:31 a.m. CST
Saw TL in 2D last night...
by MST3KPIMP
I saw TL for the 3rd time after trying IMAX and then real 3D. I actually enjoyed the 2D presentation more than the real 3D as it wasnt so dark and I just dont like the glasses. I could relax and notice things I missed on prior viewings. Tron is well over 300mil according to Box Office Mojo which has many countries not updated since Dec 26. I'm excited for another Tron as they will probably improve what was lacking in TL.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:35 a.m. CST
Put me in the 'Loved it' column
by SmokingRobot
Everyone I've talked to RL loved it, too. And yes, the soundtrack is AWESOME. I'm sorry Olivia Wilde is hot but a nitwit in RL. More 'Tron'? Hell yes.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:51 a.m. CST
"i87d": My family loved it...and "bass ackwards": my kids love Jar Jar
by bobarhett
I took my three boys (age 5-10) to see Tron weeks ago. They're still talking about it. And when they heard that a sequel might be coming, they went berserk. They've seen the movie and still get excited when the Disney Channel runs commercials and "interviews" with the stars. The marketing dollars were worth it. My kids would see 50 Tron movies and they'd never have to advertise again. And their favorite character across all six Star Wars movies is Jar Jar. No one else even comes close. And they LOVE it when he shows up on the Clone Wars cartoon. You can complain all you want, but Lucas knew what he was doing.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:54 a.m. CST
Sequel is no shock. Here's why.....
by Quake II
The movie made 150 million domestically and almost 150 worldwide (not all countries have been counted btw). So 300 million in a month and it will be in theaters for another month or so. The toys sales were fantastic during the holiday season (one of the best selling lines of 2010)and were sold out and restocked several times since they were released in November. The Blu-ray sales numbers are expected to be very high and should bring the film gross to well over 600 million when all is said and done. This isn't counting the revenue created by ElecTRONica at Disney's California Adventure, the animated series and clothing sales (the Hurley Tron line is all but sold out and several of the Adidas products (blue track jacket) were sold out almost immediately. Tron is here to stay. For those that hated it, I'm sorry it didn't work for you. It worked for me and my 9 year old son (his favorite movie EVER he says). I loved the style AND the substance. I had more fun with Legacy than any of the Star Wars prequels or recent summer movies. Long live the Users!
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:05 a.m. CST
There is no easy formula for determining movie profitability
by Chewtoy
People always try to apply one, but it's mostly nonsense. As a whole, the combined studio output for a given year usually lose money on their theatrical releases, yet movies keep getting made as the studios themselves pull in big profits each year anyway. Why? Because the lion's share of a major studio's gross comes from video and television. Theatrical grosses are divided up between so many parties that any major film would have to be a blockbuster to be worth making if that were the only measure that mattered. But by video release, the studio is pulling in the lion's share of the money and have already offset the cost of the production and marketing of the film through the theatrical release. By the time it's packaged and sold as part of a premium television deal, then basic television deal, it's pretty much entirely gravy for the studio's wallet. And there, the most important thing for selling it is whether the film is a recognizable title, something which the studios secured with that expensive marketing campaign the year before. A film that makes its money back and more while in theaters is a godsend for studios, no doubt... It's like hitting the lottery. It's not the modern studio plan though... the plan is to create a back-catalog that you can keep profiting off of for years and years. Once you add toys to the mix, forget any easy formula. "Tangled" cost Disney $270m to make (because, like "Superman Returns", the costs included starting on an entirely different take on the feature, then stopping midway through, throwing it all out and starting over from scratch.) But they're overjoyed by the numbers it's making, even though it can't have broken even yet, because the numbers show that there's an audience for it. Considering that the Disney Princesses as a brand bring in $4 BILLION a year in merchandising, adding a new princess that successfully sustains the life of that brand for even a little while longer than it would have lasted otherwise is money insanely well spent. Who is to say how the Tron merchandise is doing? So in the end, anyone who can say how profitable or not "Tron Legacy" is would have to have reams and reams of data and spreadsheets from Disney and their marketing partners.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:06 a.m. CST
I'm surprised there isn't a TRON: SPECIAL EDITION
by Monroville
...being made. I can understand if Disney pulled the release, not just to see how the sequel would stand on it's own, but maybe for fear that the younger crowd wouldn't "forgive" the original's FX work. <p> What is to say they couldn't shove a few million to clean it up, ala Adywan's STAR WARS: REVISITED? One person did that on his home PC (over 2 years).. imagine what the creative staff over at Pixar could do.. <p> Here's a couple of links: <p> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAZUHXB_SRs <p> http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-IV-2004-REVISITED-ADYWAN-720p-HD-version-coming-2016/topic/5942/ <p> http://tehparadox.com/forum/f100/adywans-star-wars-revisited-198665/
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:08 a.m. CST
And for those interested...
by Monroville
EMPIRE:REVISITED will be coming out later this May or November: <p> http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/STAR-WARS-EP-V-REVISITED-EDITION-ADYWAN-CHRISTMAS-CLIP-NOW-AVAILABLE/topic/9060/
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:09 a.m. CST
by PRESIDENT BALTAR
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:14 a.m. CST
Funny this about the haters
by Jak0lantern01
They seem genuinely angry that there will probably be a sequel. Obviously, they have some kind of prejudice toward TRON. I bet you all know who the first ones on line will be opening night, though. Right? I mean, if not, what will they all be able to bitch about? I could go on about the terrible rash of sequels and remakes and Jennifer Aniston flicks we forced to endure on a weekly basis. T:L wasn't that bad, and I liked it better the second time around. It's one of the few movies I've seen in a long time that everyone needed to discuss afterward.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:18 a.m. CST
They HAVE to make a Sequel
by D o o d
Since the money spent on the first and it's lack lustre outcome were both spectacular! Money has to be recouped somehow! I personally hated the movie!
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:29 a.m. CST
damned-dirty-ape I also remember Ewan...
by Meadowe
on the special features for AOTC or ROTS expressing how hard it is for him to react against pretty much nothing and that he'll prolly never get used to it. I also remember chuckling to myself after AOTC's title was released how open he was at his displeasure of it. It was refreshing to me to see an actor voice his opinions instead of just going with the flow, which admittedly would've been easier for him to do.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
It's the merch, people. C'mon, Disney was the first studio
by openthepodbaydoorshal
to open a nationwide store franchise in malls across the country.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
Was a little bit frustrated with Legacy...
by bubcus
... but definitely wanted more. I'll be buying the Blu-Ray when it comes out for sure and I'll be in the line-up for the next sequel.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:32 a.m. CST
Like the movie, hate 3D...
by Cap'n Jack
I'm officially done with this 3D fad. I paid $16.50 for one ticket, because the movie was digitally projected and in 3D, and the 3D did nothing for me at all. Maybe partially because the glasses don't fit right over my eyeglasses, but the the 3D effect was no better than a 3D viewmaster toy. From now on, I'll save a ton of money and have a clearer picture too.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:45 a.m. CST
Do what I do for 3D flix and save dosh
by Behemoth
First off, the whole "recycle your glasses" thing is an incredible load of bollocks designed to skewer the consumer and make you pay AGAIN for a pair of glasses that you now own. I haven't thrown mine away for years. Every time I go to a 3D flick, I bring my glasses, buy a ticket for a 2D film, and then walk into the 3D theater. Anyone not bright enough to do this at this point wears his ass for a hat. Feels good to stick it to the money-grubbers. Feels real good....yeah .... reaaaallllllll good. End of load.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:46 a.m. CST
Saw it again Tuesday night. Spoliers if you haven't seen it!
by Nautilus_nrm1
It holds up real well on repeat viewings, it allows the viewer to appreciate the performances of the cast. Zeus/Castor comes to mind - to bad he was killed off. Tron will be back. I assume if this becomes a trilogy, the arc will be saving Kevin Flynn after he reintegrated CLU into himself. Plus in the real world, there's the possibility of corporate intrigue, with Dillinger's son a member of the the Encom corporation. I'm sure Dillinger Jr. will slide into the Grid at some point. Maybe the Dillinger Sr. will be the hidden hand in everything. Yea, I'm totally looking forward to where the story will go. I hope someone more creative and imaginative than me will have a more exiting narrative about where the Tron series will tack us.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:52 a.m. CST
That Tron BluRay better be a quality disc
by MurderMostFowl
The Laserdisc and DVDs both needed a lot of cleanup. That's 70mm 6 track film, damn it. I want to see t a good transfer.
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:01 p.m. CST
Sequel dreams
by MurderMostFowl
If they make another one: 1) I want to see a cameo with ROM come back from the dead ( why not... he's a program after all ). 2) Tanks. Nuf said 3) Incorporate some more of the ideas in Tron 2.0 the video game, where the red guys aren't inherently bad, just are more like the government. 4) More illumination. The older tron suits were cooler, but I understand going minimal... but can't we go a little bit more here? 5) flesh out the ISO morphs a little better... Surely they can't all be dead ** SPOILERS **** 6) be smart... they have a huge opportunity int he next movie to have massive changes occur in the system if they want to. In the amount of time between when Junior Flynn comes out, and the ultimately shutsdown the system, hundreds of years will have gone by on the grid. You can do so much with this. 7) Please work in the return of the MCP somehow. I thought for a second all my dreams would come true and that when they showed CLU's army the MCP would be talking to him in his mind remotely controlling him or something. THAT would have caused me to cream my digital pants right there. 8) Oh yeah... and give TRON something to do, you know???
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:06 p.m. CST
Vocal minority?
by Hellboy_88
I don't know Harry. I'm a hardcore Tron lover. Have been ever since I saw the original when I was a kid. But this film left me cold. I saw a director that was trying to ape Kubrick instead of trying to make a Tron sequel. It wasn't fun and it wasn't an adventure. It was a dreary ride with no one fighting for the users. There's something seriously wrong when UP, a film about an old man and a kid, has more action in it than a Tron movie. And Flynn... Jeff Bridges, man... I love him, but he was a damsel in distress throughout. He wasn't proactive at all. And then you toss in the fact that it's called Tron and you don't include the character other than as a throwaway plot point. I long for adventure without the chronic depression of today.
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:16 p.m. CST
Tron Legacy = Garbage
by eleikus
Soundtrack was decent though. What a waste of time and money.
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:33 p.m. CST
Delusional or bought off? Which is it, Harry?
by psycros
So, you conveniently ignore the almost universal panning of this film by critics, as if you haven't checked Rotten Tomatoes. The highest collective viewer score I've seen for it on any site is a C. The overwhelming majority gave it a C-. Harry, you need to hang it up, you've become an embarrassment.
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST
chewtoy, what you say is mostly nonsense...
by Jaster
If that were true Eragon, The Golden Compass, Godzilla, The Last Airbender, The spiderwick Chronicles and so on would have had sequels instantly greenlit. You even mention Superman Returns which did NOT have a sequel greenlit and it made a fair amount of cash. Yes, branding and ancillaries are important, but mostly PROFITABILITY is important. I don't know how you can sit there and spew that crap after Disney dumped Narnia. Doesn't that completely fly in the face of your theory?
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:34 p.m. CST
The next film begins the very next day.
by UltraTron
Sam walks in the front door of enron with quora and the sheva lazer. He digitizes the stockholders and saves them to a miniusb drive on his keychain. He takes over 100% of the company in order to make the transition he is about to implement easier. This transition he's about to implement is the downloading of flynn's disc onto the enron network and the subsequent world changing it will bring about. The digitizer is set to bring the iso race out into the real world where they will begin the diplomatic process of merging our worlds. World hunger will be solved because whole nations will now be able to live virtually. That's just the beginning. In the 1200 years Flynn was in the grid he designed a fleet of starships that Sam intends to materialize with the laser and mankind will begin it's colonization of other planets. Also man has the infinite virtual worlds to inhabit and a utopian age is about to begin. Just then- Dillinger jr uploads his MCP 2.0 program he's continued the work of his father it seems. The MCP spreads out over the entire net and begins subjugating the digitized humans and programs alike. Quora and Sam must enter the Internet with Tron- who is our only hope in tracking down and destroying the MCP or else man will be trapped in a hell of their own design. Along the way they encounter grid bugs and virus worms and much high adventure
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:43 p.m. CST
Oh and the London Philharmonic is
by UltraTron
conducted this time by Daft Punk who is forced at gunpoint to use a real orchestra and choir as well as notable themes like the Tron theme
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:48 p.m. CST
Tron Two, can gulp my goo. Tron Three, can drink my pee.
by AzulTool
I was stoked to see TL. I went to the midnight showing. It was lame. Now, I couldn't give a johnny-godamn about this francise.
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:49 p.m. CST
Collider.com says the movie "underperformed"
by FeralAngel
The site also says that the film got a 49% ROTTEN rating at Rottentomatoes.com (a site that analyzes and distills into a consensus reviews from professional movie critics). So why is Disney so happy about TL's performance, exactly? Maybe Collider also got it right when it says that maybe TL has been "moving a lot of cheap plastic crap" (selling a lot of TL toys) and that's why the film might get a sequel. That's certainly the reason why Cars 2 is happening...
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:53 p.m. CST
terrible movies make money...
by Billy_D_Williams
people like bright, shiny, cool looking objects on a big screen...the story seems irrelevant these days. i fucking hated Tron legacy, my brother loved it...he's a video game addict...i'm 30, he's 23...shows the age difference and the culture he's part of who is making this fucking steaming turd make money. the tragedy is, with a better script, they could have made even MORE money. fucking Disney. i wont be wasting my money on a sequel (unless the reviews are amazing)...will probably be the same ol' same ol'
Jan. 13, 2011, 12:57 p.m. CST
2 hrs, All Quorra, All The Time
by chromedome
a worthy sequel that would be
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:01 p.m. CST
Daft Punk Used a 90 piece "real orchestra"
by Buddha Master
... dumbass.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:24 p.m. CST
Tron Legacy
by Henry
Was one of the worst movies of 2010....if I have to see Michael Sheen rip off another David Bowie-esque character, I am going to cut myself. Please PLease PLEASE....change the goddamn story...and maybe have he actual character " Tron" in the movie
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:29 p.m. CST
We know a sequel was already planned.
by impossibledreamers
I mean the set up with the old villian's son on the new board? HELLO!
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:33 p.m. CST
The blu ray cover sucks ass
by alienindisguise
nice quality control there disney dumbasses
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:44 p.m. CST
Yes, the toys are selling. VERY well.
by Quake II
Look it up online. Stores moved a shit-ton of Tron toys over the holidays. The majority of Lucas' personal Empire was paid for with Star Wars merchandise, NOT the movies. Revenge Of The Sith was the lowest grossing Star Wars film to date, but no one called it anything near a flop. Regardless of what the movie eventually makes, the toy sales alone could warrant a sequel. And the hatred is baffling. Have you people actually SEEN a movie in tha last 10 years. I can't think of a single movie in the past few years that had the pure badass visceral and audio joy of Tron Legacy. Pure joy for the senses. It's all in the wrists.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:49 p.m. CST
Well then get Wendy Carlos again because
by UltraTron
it sounds like 2 dicks and a computer
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST
Inglorious Basterds was the last time
by Quake II
I paid to see a movie three times in the theater. And that had some haters on here as well. I'm proud to love things that others spew venom on. It's kind of amusing. When I hate a film (Iron Man 2, Transformers 1-2, Scott Pilgrim I walked out of) I post one or two times about it. Then I move on. Why commit SO MUCH energy to hating on filmed entertainment (although I would go so far as to call Tron Legacy art because I want to look at it over and over again). If I was a rich man I would build a scale Flynn's arcade and stock it with classic games to throw parties in.
Jan. 13, 2011, 1:51 p.m. CST
Vocal minority? I call bullshit.
by MattmanReturns
This isn't Inception, Harry. THAT film has a voval minority. Tron Legacy is by no means widely loved. Fuck, even my friends who liked it seem to have already forgotten it.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:08 p.m. CST
@rise_of_fett: You're missing the point entirely
by Chewtoy
My whole point is that there isn't a golden formula equating theater returns with profitability that can be applied equally to all pictures... so the fact that Eragon or Narnia or any of it fits what you perceive as being "equal" to Tron is meaningless. You'd have to crack the books all of the productions to find out all of the individual deals involved. One glaring difference that leaps out immediately is that Tron is a property completely created and owned by Disney... no liscensing of a novel as with Eragon, no partnering with Walden Media as with Narnia. You can't take two pictures with an equal theatrical gross and an equal budget and say that they each made the studio the same amount. It's such a miniscule fraction of the data involved as to be meaningless, especially when the vast majority of the money to be made comes well after theatrical release. The mere existence of a toy line does not mean that it's a money-maker. Toy lines can lose money as easily as films can. I have absolutely no idea how well Narnia toys sold, or who profited/lost the most from them, just as I have no idea how Tron toys have sold or how the licensing breakdown works between Disney and the manufacturer. Finally, the decision on going forward with a sequel to anything often has as much to do with long-term business plans and the variety of options and resources available at a given time. There was no question that there was going to be another stab at Superman eventually, for instance. Did a sequel to "Superman Returns" make for the best use of WB's filmmaking budget for that year, or with the Batman franchise taking off again, was it a better idea for them to go forward with other projects instead and come back to Supes when they felt they needed it? Disney tried to launch multiple franchises this year... Prince of Persia, The Sorcerer's Apprentice, and Tron Legacy. All very expensive, and only Tron Legacy really found much traction. Disney's long term goal is to establish a franchise that appeals to teen boys that can be the kind of cash cow they get from younger audiences and girls. (This is why they dropped the big money to acquire Marvel, by the way). Looking over their current options, nursing Tron into a bona fide successful franchise might be worth playing a long game with heavier cash investment upfront. I have no idea if Harry's rumor of a Tron Sequel being near a green light is true... and that's my point. Nobody who hasn't cracked the books on the company can likely say for sure. Massive entertainment corporations don't make their decisions based on the kind of data that gets reported in Sunday entertainment columns.
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:11 p.m. CST
Most of LEGACY's haters just hate to hate
by SpyGuy
TRON: LEGACY was a perfectly decent movie. No, the film wasn't on a par with INCEPTION or TRUE GRIT, but it was a solid piece of entertainment as well as a long-awaited follow-up to a cult classic. You don't want to see a sequel? Fine, pass on the sequel but don't think there aren't plenty of us that enjoyed revisiting this playground after 28 years. Some of you obviously are desperate to bitch and moan about SOMETHING because you're simply miserable bastards who find just about everything unfulfilling, so just sod off now and move on to something else. The rest of us will be waiting here, eager to see what happens next...
Jan. 13, 2011, 2:18 p.m. CST
Sorry Spyguy
by Brent1138
Tron Legacy was just...underwhelming. One of last years biggest disappointments for me I'm afraid.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:05 p.m. CST
Visual Effects Amazing. Script Not So Amazing.
by oogles
I took my 11 and 13 year old niece and nephew to see this and they were as bored as I was. I also saw this in 3D and didn't find that it was used to it's full potential.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:09 p.m. CST
Also $300 Million
by oogles
Didn't this movie cost a $150 million? Plus, I heard they spent upwards of $200 million to market. Would this be considered a hit if it's just crossing the $300 million WORLDWIDE total? I know it's theatrical run isn't over, but it will be pushed out of IMAX for Green Hornet which will hit them huge. I'm also aware that DVD + Blu-Ray sales factor in but is this considered amongst the industry as a hit?
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:11 p.m. CST
All I want is the Light Cycle ride
by WriteForTheEdit
And it's coming if this franchise goes somewhere. So, yeah, I want a sequel bad. (Note that roller coaster manufacturer Vekoma, who work with Disney all the time (they did the hardware for the Rock 'n' Roller Coaster in Florida, among others), have a motorcycle-styled coaster attraction. Put that shit indoors, light it up proper, crank the Daft Punk, and you've got Space Mountain for a new generation, bitches!)
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:14 p.m. CST
Quorra is Kevin Flynn
by PorkChopXpress
I wonder why nobody seems to realize that the only way Quorra could have gotten out of the computer is by the molecules of Kevin Flynn (still suspended in the laser beam, according to the rules set forth in the first movie) being dropped into place using a different template. So it may LOOK like Quorra, but...that's your Dad, dude. Gross.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST
by Keith
I enjoyed Legacy.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:17 p.m. CST
halfbreedqueen, Tron cost 300 million dollars
by Billy_D_Williams
maybe more considering creative studio accounting...it cost like a hundred fifty to make, another hundred fifty to market, so that 300 worldwide take isn't shit...the movie practically bombed based on how much it cost, but of course people who don't know the budget think it's some kind of blockbuster.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:28 p.m. CST
Tron cost 1 billion dollars..
by torpor_haze
It would have cost 3 billion dollars but James Cameron gave them leftover footage from Avatar.
Jan. 13, 2011, 3:53 p.m. CST
Cora (I don't give a damn if I misspelled her name) and Gem
by tubbyhodges24
were the only good things about LEGACY. The movie was absolute shit.
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:03 p.m. CST
Tron Legacy Bombed Financially
by D o o d
I don't think any figures need to be revealed with regards to how much is cost to make and market. It was very evident!
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:19 p.m. CST
Not worth it
by Doug
Tron Legacy was a major disappointment, really on every level. Didn't it bomb financially anyway?. Just because it grossed $300 worldwide doesn't mean it's profitable. After opening weekend the theaters take home about 40% of the kick I think.
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:33 p.m. CST
Do have to wonder about the money
by MurderMostFowl
I mean really how could this movie cost even $150M? Maybe it was all the 3D work that people charged a premium for, but basically it was a ton of green screen and cpu time at skywalker ranch, right?
Jan. 13, 2011, 4:40 p.m. CST
This fanboi's nitpick...
by caseyaramian
Loved Tron, really liked Legacy. Remember Recognizers in Tron? Murderous malevolent sentinels that used their funky legs to squash usurpers? Now they're just cars... Anyhoo, I love, love, LOVE those sticks that turn into stuff! Me, I'd have twenty Lightcycles and Lightplanes on me at all times. Yep, I'm very much looking forward to the TV show, and more flicks. After all, Tron fights for the users. End of line...
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:46 p.m. CST
Attack of the Clones was the lowest grossing SW
by TheLastCleric
And it still made over 300 million domestically nearly a decade ago. Sith grossed nearly a billion worldwide in 2005, so I have no idea why some are using the SW franchise as justification for the failure of Tron: Legacy. 150 million domestically for an event picture like Tron is a massive disappointment. Also, the derision aimed at this shitty, bloated light show is coming from the majority, and for good reason. The film fucking sucked.
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:49 p.m. CST
by NeonFrisbee
Awesome! I know I'm on board for the sequel. Legacy is a flawed film, but I love it. Saw it three times in IMAX, and loved it more each time. It's definitely a film that rewards repeated viewings, imho. Oh, and although there are valid criticisms (most notably the ponderous exposition in the middle, which actually, surprisingly, grew on me during repeated viewings), it's also vastly underrated. The critics were way off-base trashing it as hard as they did, especially considering that they praised Avatar to the high heavens even though that too was a flawed, though entertaining film. I'd give it 3 outta 4 stars. Or a B+. Can't wait for the sequel.
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:54 p.m. CST
The Sequel Should Focus Almost Entirely On Quorra
by NeonFrisbee
She's easily the best character in Legacy, and the one I wanted to see more of. I guess they'll do a whole Tron meets Splash thang in the beginning? Lots of digital-fish outta water stuff. Then the rest can be zip zap electro battles in awesomeland. Bring back Dillinger Jr. and introduce Sark 2.0 and MCP 2.0. Have Quorra be the ultimate digital warrior computer messiah.
Jan. 13, 2011, 5:58 p.m. CST
YES and NO
by marineboy
T2ON really wasn't that good - and all those critics can't be wrong...YET...I'm glad there's going to be a sequel because there is a real chance with the right director, Tron might just get the true legacy it deserves. There were some good concepts in T2ON, but realised with soap-opera writing and editing. Disney need to stretch the audience, not give them what they already know.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:08 p.m. CST
Loved Tron Legacy
by nostairway
I can't even remember the last time I saw a Disney movie before this one, but for a PG rated Disney flick it completely delivered what it set it out to do. And Daft Punk's score is definitely Oscar worthy.
Jan. 13, 2011, 6:47 p.m. CST
I'll miss 'real' Bridges but as long as Wilde reprises her role..
by moonlightdrive
I'm in!
Jan. 13, 2011, 7:46 p.m. CST
Every body calls Olivia Wilde
by RichardLuzT
I do so to. Stunning. Lighting helps but she's no less because of it
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:10 p.m. CST
People are counting the pennies?
by Larry Sellers
Really? To prove what point? That Tron "hasn't made any money". Haha! SOMEONE LET DISNEY KNOW QUICK
Jan. 13, 2011, 8:47 p.m. CST
It's going to make a lot more than 300mil
by vetepalapinga
How do I know ? Because the movie hasn't started in many countries yet, so...shut up.
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:11 p.m. CST
for Legacy to make money it has to bring in 900 million
by Billy_D_Williams
a blockbuster today has to rake in like 3 times its production cost just to make money, because the theaters get a huge chunk for showing it plus all the gross participation profits that go to the producers, maybe the director and certainly Bridges. Legacy is a pathetic bomb...i love it when shitty movies bomb. they're only making a sequel because it will be cheaper to produce, as all the visual FX have been created and dont need to be done again from scratch...and Disney wants to save face and have everyone believe it's a hit..."we're making a sequel, see, it's a hit" B U L L S H I T
Jan. 13, 2011, 9:13 p.m. CST
by kurtisaurus
Bring on the sequel. I was bummed the pull might not be enough to do a sequel. We'll see, but I'd sure like to revisit the Tronverse at least once more. That reminds me, I gotta fly down to Disneyland to revisit elecTRONica. That was some pretty fun stuff.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST
minority my ass
by jsfithaca
i havent seen it yet but ive herd many more bad things than good things. it seems as the ones that like it are the minority
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:08 p.m. CST
Tron in the real world...
by GeorgieBoy
Sounds like "Pixels" by Patric Jean. YouTube it.
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:13 p.m. CST
billy_d_williams doesn't understand how theaters make money
by vetepalapinga
theaters make money from selling you food and drink (at 400% their cost), not from the movies they show. TL didn't cost $300 million anyway, so you stating that it has to make 900 million to break even is a terrible calculation.
I want a glowing Mickey Mouse/Tron Legacy antenna ball! Now!
Jan. 13, 2011, 10:18 p.m. CST
Lacking in Tron-i-ness
by Wallyrus
The sequel better have some seriously awesome scenes with Tron handing out a fistfull of whoop ass, instead of taking it. I still loved Legacy but you can tell that they only included Tron's character to justify the title.
Jan. 13, 2011, 11:16 p.m. CST
My only Gripe.
by Norman Colson
Was the lack of focus for the story... that's it. Everything else was good....
Jan. 14, 2011, 12:11 a.m. CST
Loved Legacy.
by Se7en
..and oh yeah, Daft Punk's score is outstanding.
Jan. 14, 2011, 12:36 a.m. CST
Disney did prove one thing...
by conspiracy
that you don't need a decent script to make $300M. All you need is some ok effects, a couple of hot girls in vinyl, and some Euro Techno music.
Jan. 14, 2011, 12:43 a.m. CST
Don't get me wrong...I had fun with Tron...
by conspiracy
and I'll but it when it comes out for the artistry of the visuals and the tunes....but it just had a weak weak story...
Jan. 14, 2011, 1:03 a.m. CST
"very vocal minority incessantly bitch about"...
by Bandit 37
That' biased fanboy bullshit if I ever saw it.
Jan. 14, 2011, 1:08 a.m. CST
by Billy_D_Williams
first of all, it's been confirmed all over that Tron cost 300 million to make all in, so stop denying it, you just look stupid and in denial. plus, in the industry, it's seen as an underperformer...thats because it cost...you guessed it, 300 million dollars. and in today's box office, for movies to make a profit, they need to gross 3 times their cost...this has been documented and confirmed all over the place, ask any box office expert, and is why Legacy is a pathetic failure.
Jan. 14, 2011, 1:09 a.m. CST
Disney DOES have a TRON ride kinda...
by elwinransom451
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, but at Disney's California Adventure Fri-Sun they turn the Hollywood Pictures Backlot area into the Grid and it phreakin' rocks! It's called elecTRONica. There is no "ride" per se, but there's a 10 minute "preview" of the film, some nice electronica music with a live DJ, dancers (all in costume), laser man (it sounds lame, but it's really quite good) and, best of all, Flynn's Arcade. The games are all from the 80s, they play 80s music, and every game is only a quarter (Flynn's Arcade tokens, really). I only live about 15 minutes away so I frequently go there on weekends. There's something very therapeutic about playing TRON frisbee with my children when we go there. The only bad thing is that there is a LOT of stuff to buy.
Jan. 14, 2011, 1:51 a.m. CST
bring on the sequel!
by mogwai_democracy
great news!!! didn't want to see this get abandoned again (like the original Tron did for so many years). I and everyone else I know who saw Legacy loved it and wanted to see it again. I'm a hardcore Tron fan but others I saw it with had never even seen the original. there is simply nothing else out there that looks like this and that alone will be a draw to a lot of people. Legacy left a lot of loose ends to tie up storywise (Flynn? Tron?) so I'm looking forward to a sequel. I'm also hoping that Bridges is around for the next one somehow.
Jan. 14, 2011, 2:24 a.m. CST
elwinransom451..You forgot to mention the Booze!
by conspiracy
Where else in the Disney Kingdom can you get a Tron-tini..ACTUAL BOOZE IN DISNEY, listen to decent DJ dance music and actually dance, while watching women dressed in kinda sexy, but still family friendly, go-go dancer outfits dance on elevated stages? From what I've heard..that thing is MASSIVE popular..and Disney is making HUGE money on that nightly dance party..probably more Net dollars than they did on the film.
Jan. 14, 2011, 4:52 a.m. CST
by popmeow
I really wish I was a writer on this sequel, or had some amount of input. It really needs to revolve around Sam carrying on his dad's legacy, both in the real world and the grid. Returning to his rightful place at ENCOM, Sam begins to right the wrongs and reestablish ENCOM as a software company for the user. Quoora is his aid in all this, having a natural ability to manipulate code and technology. Meanwhile, Dillinger Jr., upset about Sam's return, begins to do some investigation into the mysterious Quorra. He stumbles upon Flynn's arcade and the original master control computer/laser. He brings charges of misappropriate of company funds against Kevin Flynn, which in his absence, extend to Sam. The board, still divided over the new Sam and their previous loyalty to Dillinger Jr., opt for a full investigation, which leaves Sam without the normal level of access. Dillinger Jr. begins to realize that he has his father's original computer and begins scouring it for remnant, Master Control code. Upon finding it, MC tricks Dillinger Jr. into getting him online. This leads to a resurgence of the MC, with it become even more powerful than it was in the original TRON. Dillinger Jr. is eventually sucked into the GRID (because all Sam did was copy the files to an external drive; so the MC computer and Sam's computer are both portals now). MC continues to go on a rampage, infecting systems worldwide. Alan, Sam's second in command, recognizes the MC code and tells Sam and Quorra. Sam is incredulous that 25 year old software could be causing this much chaos, Alan is chagrined, since he's an "old school" programmer and we all know how viable his Tron program still is. Sam, Quorra and Alan (PLEASE INCLUDE ALAN THIS TIME) head to the arcade, so that Sam can show Alan that the MC computer isn't a threat. They discover that the computer is missing. They track it down to Dillinger Jr's residence. MC has been waiting for them. All THREE (again, include Alan this time and let him actually meet his creation) get taken into the GRID. Quick synopsis: Alan gets captured, a must for MC, once it realizes who Alan is. Quorra and Sam encounter a partially functioning/damaged Tron, who they have to win over to their side. (They do this by telling him that his user is on the GRID.) All four team up to take down the new MC, which is attempting to use Dillinger Jr's body to house itself in the real world. Scene with Dillinger, essentially, being reformatted - extremely painful experience. During the final fight, Sam's "old software" comment comes back to bite him as Alan, proves to be more adept at controlling the Grid than even Sam (somewhere on-par with Kevin). MC is defeated, though not before he places a piece of himself in Dillinger Sr's phone (or something). Dillinger Jr., because the reformatting wasn't completed, can't leave the Grid. He blames Sam and runs off into the "wilderness". Sam and Quorra decide to leave and "put out the fires in the real world", while Alan, finally meeting his creation, opts to remain behind, study and see what he can do. That's all I got for 5:50am and it definitely needs more fleshing out, but considering this is the first that I've really thought about it, I think it's sufficient. Hope someone else likes it too.
Jan. 14, 2011, 5:48 a.m. CST
by popmeow
After Dillinger Jr is able to reconstruct a large portion of MC's code and get it online, we switch to the Grid, as a red beam of light shoots up into the sky. A pair of dark, boots steps into the foreground (Tron). MC convinces Dillinger Jr. that he still needs help - that there are still large portions of his code that are missing or that it doesn't have access too. Dillinger Jr. talks about it taking time. MC tells him that it can show Dillinger Jr things he can't even imagine. Jr. finally agrees to being taken into the Grid. Once there, MC has Dillinger "unlock" the sections of its code it didn't have access too. While in the midst of doing this, MC becomes agitated. Dillinger looks up and sees a figure approaching. Dillinger stops what he's doing and walks towards it. "Alan?", he says. Reveal Tron, who has recognized the resurgent MC and begins attacking it. MC's defenses are not totally up to par, so it orders Dillinger to continue working on unlocking its code. Dillinger is successful, Tron's attacks are repelled and a damaged/partially derezzed Tron is forced to retreat. <fast forward> When Sam and Quorra meet up with Tron we see him barely functioning. Again, they convince him to fight, in order to free his user. He agrees, but this time is completely derezzed. However, there's the Sea of Simulation. The ISO's came from the SoS as a result of Kevin attempting to create perfection - they brought balance to the system. Now with MC taking control, the SoS once again brings balance, by introducing thousands of Trons - a firewall. They attack the MC. Ultimately, they win and Tron is "reborn", stronger than he was before. <fast forward to third film> Tron: End of Line Alan and Tron discover pieces of Kevin's personality. Alan sends Tron to the real world via Alan's body (a user is needed to keep Kevin's program grounded). Tron relays the message to Sam. Dillinger Jr. fights back. Meh.
Jan. 14, 2011, 6 a.m. CST
It dealt with some profound concepts
by TheJudger
It was with out a doubt a character film. Those who didn't love it fully wanted the same old big dumb action scenes every other less thoughtful event film pushes on the masses. There were 3 main action moments/acts in the film after Sam entered the grid. Everything else was character, dialog and profound fucking concepts. Case in point "Isomorphic Algorithms" Beings on the grid not derived from a users - (Which the Tron world had already established with the original movie) - but self manifested out of the algorithms that drive the code of the world. This probably went over many peoples heads. Thinking it was just some stupid cool sounding jargon. Clu could not create programs he could only derez or repurposing them. Games and his Army/Servants- To make the perfect system. Flynn couldn't create new programs unlike himself to some extent. Every program on the grid is the result of random data already infused into the grid from the program acts of the staff at Encom and whatever other sourced program data used from other programmers- So get this into the mind nice and tight. Any program on the grid is a derivative of a user who programed them. Iso's were in and of it self a miraculous act of the code. They became as if from nothing at all and yet they were. No user made them. Cool as hell. If it can go in then, maybe it can go out as well, and it did. Loved the digital DNA scene. 3 grand act moments of action, white knuckled and cool as hell, a visually amazing world, and some damn fine character work, and some of the things they talked about, mused and played around with made me smile huge. Also you realize the film never messed up. It didn't declare anything only to fuck it over later. A perfect sequel in my opinion- 28 years later. I was shocked and so stoked after the credits rolled. Very amazed, and it was PG as well, been a while since a PG only movie could be as entertaining for all ages. "Tron" either you get it or you don't, and if you don't it's well that's like your opinion man...
Jan. 14, 2011, 7:29 a.m. CST
Nope - Sequel not required
by thommcg
Jan. 14, 2011, 8:50 a.m. CST
by DarfurOnTheRocks2
Quorra should be the focus
Jan. 14, 2011, 11:21 a.m. CST
All of you haters can go f*ck yourselves
by Jeditemple
Maybe "Black Swan" is more your speed.
Jan. 14, 2011, 12:51 p.m. CST
Stop drinking so much colt 45, billy
by vetepalapinga
It's on the imdb that the budget was 170million. I cant possibly look more stupid than you do anyway... stating that theaters take a chuck of the profit and that the movie had to make 900million to break even. You have no comeback for that. Hahahaha..dumb ass.
Jan. 14, 2011, 1:40 p.m. CST
thejudger - Well put!
by Quake II
The anger and hatred over Legacy makes NO sense. It follows the structure of a great film step by step. The action scenes were some of the best choreographed in ages and the performances were spot-on for the subject matter. It seems those that hate is dismiss it as poorly written and lacking in action. These same people praise Iron Man 2 and Transformers movies for having great action scenes and forgive the horrible screenplay because "it's a popcorn flick". So is Tron deep or shallow? Seems people are completely torn on this one like I've never seen before. I dislike 90% OF the current crop of summer films because they treat the audience like ADD idiots with an IQ of 3. Legacy made me think and stare in awe at the fantastic world I was seeing on screen. Legacy fell somewhere in between the mindless summer blockbuster and slow-burn sci-fi genres and I assume that's one of the reasons some despise it. It's a very hard movie to define (although they dismiss it as "shit", "poorly written" or "boring") and I think that bugs people that want to put it in a box. The action fans just wanted 2 hours of Light Cycles and disc battles and the heady nerds wanted it to go deeper into the structure of the Grid and characters. Legacy tried to please both crowds but pissed them off instead. I am still thrilled that it turned out the way it did. It delivered everything that the ComicCon teaser showed us a year ago and much more. 28 years later I got a fantastic Tron film that was far better than we deserved.
Jan. 14, 2011, 1:53 p.m. CST
And the fact that Tron didn't make Avatar numbers
by Quake II
pretty much proves that it's a great film to me. The masses are asses and very rarely do I like the top-grossing films. In a world where Transformers 2 makes almost a billion dollars worldwide should tell you that box office does not equal quality. It's usually the shittiest films that do great box office while masterpieces like The Assassination Of Jesse James become cult films. John Carpenter's The Thing didn't make anything when it came out but I think it's an infinately better film than Avatar.
Jan. 14, 2011, 10:51 p.m. CST
Re: billy_d_williams
by MakNeil
Three times the production budget to be profitable? Really? If that's the case, there are quite a few unprofitable films out there that are getting sequels. Where do people get this nonsense? And while I am here, I might address another point, namely the rumors of Tron: Legacy having a marketing budget as much as the cost of production. That's nonsensical, and makes no sense at all. Disney is aware that the original Tron was a niche film. They put so much into advertising to attract a wider audience than the original, which was obviously a success if you check how much it has made so far. But $150 million? Really? I have heard estimates even higher than that, but the only one that makes sense is $120 million. This is because Disney isn't run by fools. They were burned on the First Narnia film because it's marketing budget was so high, so high in fact that the film wasn't profitable because of it. So Disney goes and does the same thing twice? Successful film companies generally don't last long acting in such a fashion, which is why I think that it's safe to assume that we will not see any sequels to Heaven's Gate in the near future.
Jan. 16, 2011, 10:34 p.m. CST
$324 Million Worldwide
by MakNeil
Tron: Legacy has some serious legs and is doing better internationally that domestically. According to Box Office Mojo (BOM) as of today it's at $156 million, domestic. Sort of anything unusual happening, it will make its production costs domestically, and surpass those figures internationally. It should max out somewhere in the neighborhood of $400 million dollars before its run ends. $400 million dollars, and that figure will not include DVD sales. Is it possible that there will be no sequel for Tron:Legacy? Of course, it is, though looking at these figures (ignoring some of the inflated marketing costs that we see here) it's unlikely.
Jan. 17, 2011, 12:09 a.m. CST
To The Haters
by MakNeil
I was just on Box Office Mojo (BOM) and I found the figures for GI Joe: The Rise of Cobra, which are comparable to Tron: Legacy. And I should mention that the sequel to GI Joe is a go. What surprised me is that GI Joe did not meet its production costs. It cost $175 million, though it earned $150 million domestically. The thing of it is, it brought in $151 million in foreign bo, which brought its total gross to $301 million. BOM does not list marketing costs for GI Joe, but there's no way that GI Joe's marketing costs were less than $50 million. More likely though, they were at least $100 million range, if all the advertising I saw during the movie's run was any indicator. So, if we use the $100 million dollar figure, GI Joe cost $275 million, including marketing. And there is is DEFINITELY a sequel in the works for GI Joe, yet it was actually not all that profitable (based upon my estimate of marketing costs added to production costs). But it was profitable enough to earn a sequel though it didn't make the fantasy land 3x the production costs like some have said here. Tron: Legacy is at $324 million, with only slightly higher advertising costs (based upon a marketing budget of $120 million, not $150 million) and has currently earned more than GI Joe, and its run is hardly over. Therefore, a sequel is more than likely.
Jan. 19, 2011, 6:56 p.m. CST
To Harry and Mr. Iger – a reality check
by James Tavalarous
I encourage (and challenge) anyone – Harry, Walt Disney Pictures or the faithful – to dispute the facts presented here. Projected final worldwide totals for a few "bombs" or major disappointments released in the last 12 months: Narnia: Dawn Treader - $380 million Prince of Persia - $340 million A Christmas Carol - $325 million The Last Airbender - $320 million Tron Legacy - $365 million Tron Legacy production budget = $175-200 million (various sources.) Marketing budget (L.A. Times) = $150 million. Total outlay by Disney = $325-350 million. Total rental return to Disney based on $365 million worldwide = $185 million (studio actually receives approx. 50% of box office take.) Amount needed to be recouped from non theatrical sources to break even = $140-165 million. Final Analysis: "Tron Legacy" may eventually break even when all revenue streams are counted in. Fun trivia: Domestically, "True Grit" (budget: $38 million) may surpass "Tron Legacy"'s box office total. In overseas box office, "Tron Legacy" will earn only $15 million more than Sylvester Stallone's "The Expendables." What Disney usually does when a film underperforms: Disney was so disappointed with the box office performance of "A Christmas Carol" they terminated their deal with Imagemovers and shut down the facility that produced it. "Tron: Legacy" will earn just $40 million more worldwide than "A Christmas Carol." Disney was so disappointed with the $420 million ($465 million adjusted for inflation) that "Narnia: Prince Caspian" took in worldwide that it opted not to produce a third "Narnia" film. The third Narnia film "Dawn Treader," widely perceived as a box office disappointment, will outgross "Tron: Legacy" in worldwide box office and "Caspian" outgrossed "Tron: Legacy" by $100 million (adjusted.) Conclusion: What "Tron Legacy" should have made to be a franchise-starter - $290-325 million domestic, $700-750 million worldwide. The Bottom Line: The first "Transformers" or "Pirates" numbers are the stuff that makes a franchise. Adjusted for inflation, "Tron Legacy" will not even reach half of what the first "Transformers" film did worldwide. Final Word: C'mon, Harry – get off your geek cycle. Yes, it was cool to see this done with 2010 era FX. But a new franchise? Come on. The toys were pegwarmers, the videogame s*cked and the comic book was a dud. Oh, but there's a cartoon show on the way…! Honestly. The first "Pirates" was a franchise starter not because of the visuals of CGI skeletons, but because audiences were buzzing about Captain Sparrow and his world and wanted more, not to mention an $860 million worldwide gross (adjusted for inflation.) It is ALL about anticipation – is a very wide audience excited by the first film and demanding a sequel? Are you honestly expecting that "Tron: Legacy"'s mediocre performance has set the stage for a huge second instalment the way "Transformers" and "Pirates" did, where, in the case of "Pirates," massive anticipation exploded into TRIPLE the opening weekend of the first, and a nearly DOUBLING of worldwide gross? Yes, "GI Joe" – despite losing money - may (and I mean may) get a much lower budget sequel but let's put that in context… it is based on one of the top five best selling toy lines in history, that, like Star Wars, has a massive kid and adult fan base, consistently supported by cartoons going back to the 1980's. Disney shareholders enjoyed 2010 in part because "Alice in Wonderland" and Toy Story 3" made more than a BILLION bucks each worldwide (ESPN and a strong debt position helped too.) So they overlooked "Tron: Legacy"'s lackluster performance – both its less-than-expected opening weekend and its comparatively weak worldwide gross. And I know that the producer of "Tron: Legacy" is now President of Production at Disney Studios, so the above facts can be cushioned. But make no mistake - spend another $350 million on a "Tron: Legacy" sequel, release it in a not-so-great year, and have it earn less than the first film under a hot media spotlight… and it might just be bye-bye Mr. Iger. Harry, the days of "it made over $300 million worldwide!" are long, long over - those are big numbers from fifteen years ago or more. I mean "Die Hard With A vengeance" pulled in that in 1995 - and that's unadjusted (FYI, that number would be $675 million today.) We're in 2011 - $350 million worldwide won't even get your money back on films like "Tron: Legacy," let alone make it considered a success... or worthy of a sequel.
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