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Balpreet Kaur, who last week rightly schooled a Reddit user who posted a picture of her on the site, explains why the Sikh protests at JK Rowling's 'mustachioed' girl are misplaced
Balpreet Kaur, who last week rightly schooled a Reddit user who posted a picture of her on the site, explains why the Sikh protests at JK Rowling's 'mustachioed' girl are misplaced
In my 20s, I wasn't a good lover – and never met men my age who were good lovers either. We were all highly sexed, but mostly immature. Back then, sex was disappointing. Men seemed to enjoy having sex with me, but I didn't "show up". My body was a labyrinth of secret crevices and places hidden to me, let alone to my lovers. How did I get to have orgasms like Kim Basinger in 9 1/2 Weeks – rolling, thunderous full-bodied spiritual highs? Years went by, and I felt let down. I wasn't having the sex I thought I was entitled to, the sex modelled by Hollywood.
In my 40s I assigned myself to tantric sex school, took lessons from gifted body workers and tantric masseurs and finally discovered the wondrous variety of orgasms my body had to offer. All women possess a clitoris, g-spot, vagina and anus – all can produce much sexual ecstasy. Only now do I get the sex I dreamed of, and yet it's nothing like Hollywood sex. Hands-on skill, experience and a lot of showing, asking and giving are part of it, as well as very intimate verbal communication. Good sex is harder to get than I thought – and yet worth all the fuss.
Long-term heterosexual monogamy is still the dominant model: men and women still want to pair for a long period of time. Writing about the emotional complexities involved when, again and again, we copulate with only one other person over many years is rich material for fiction. The boredom, fatigue and frustration, and the joy, relief and loving pleasure shared in this long-haul journey is worth writing about. Sex can either be a non-verbal language that smoothes the other jagged edges, or the biggest edge between a couple. For this kind of up-close realism, I believe those who are well beyond vanilla land are currently leading the way, writing and blogging about sex online.Novelist Monique Forrey writes about why she agrees with Martin Amis: women are better at writing about sex than men
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Legendary novelist Will Self writes about why working at a university with people who pursue knowledge for its intrinsic value is truly liberating:
Here are two contrasting experiences. I read a short story I have written to a group of people, and when I've finished I invite questions, stressing that these can be as broad or specific as they wish. The first questioner wants to know how I see meta-fictional conceits in relation to the traditional philosophic novel, and when we've discussed this for a while she asks for further reading recommendations. A second questioner asks me how I view my work in relation to naturalistic fiction. A third makes a comparison between my story and a novel by Adolfo Bioy Casares (a doyen of Latin American science fiction writing), and it's my turn to note down this suggestion for further reading.
The following day I speak to someone on the phone who's read the film script I've adapted from the same short story. She asks me this question: "Why did you mention the brand name of a lemon squeezer in your script?" This is not a single bathetic instance – she follows it by asking me questions for a further 20 minutes, none of which suggest any familiarity with my work beyond this script and an article I wrote for the Guardian travel section about Trafalgar Square.
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Photo from Kentrina KimballEver wonder why your friends name their kids something ... only to come up with the strangest story ever?
My friend's daughter Syren is named for an evil mermaid.
Yes, I said an evil mermaid. Thank goodness the kid is cute.
Says Kentrina, "I was pregnant, stuck at home, throwing up. There was this evil mermaid/human on the show Passions who lured the men in named Siren ... mythology said she'd lure them in and let them die or something like that.
"So I call my husband and I'm like, 'I just named our daughter,'" she recalled. "He said, 'Absolutely no way in hell!'"
Five months later, Syren was born.
"Sirens are supposed to be really pretty and men are supposed to love them ... and now I realize that's not really the best thing for a little girl!" Kentrina admits. "But she is beautiful! And my husband is a fireman ... and 'siren' fits."
As for the Y?
"I couldn't be original, could I? Everyone expected it to be Siren ... like the firetruck ..."
Do your kids' names have a wacky story like this?
Well, I personally have a pet peeve with "respelling" words as an attempt to be creative. My DH and his ex named their DD Saige. Every other hippy known to man has a kid named Sage. Seriously, the kid has 4 other friends who carry that name! IMO, misspelling it doesn't make it original, it just makes it look like the parents can't spell. I'm not trying to be mean at all, this is just my opinion. The funny thing is, I guess I always assumed the name was his Ex's idea... Well, when I was preg. my dh offered the middle name "Rain", but spelled "Rayne" and I busted up laughing--- "Are you serious? It WAS YOU, wasn't it!" As for the name Syren, I can see how it sounds pretty and all, but the meaning would throw it off for me...
Earthmama, I'm so glad you care so much what everyone thinks about how to spell or the meaning of a name (it doesn't mean the child will be that way). Also Siren, or Syren is so unique I don't think it would matter either way how its spelt.
No offense, but this is my kitty's name! I found her in Hawaii and she she screamed when I tried to put her down, from then on I knew I was hooked like a sailor on a mermaid.....
I love it. Im stealing it lol. Well if I ever were to be able to name a girl. hehe I wanted to name my last child (if he was a girl) Lorelei like the irish mermaid...but oh well.
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Winter Glove Review and Giveaway: Manzella Hatchback and Sprint Gloves, Saucony ViziPro Gloves
A few updates before today's review and giveaway post …
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That's all for today … and now for a post to keep your fingers warm.
When it comes to running gloves, I'm something of a Goldilocks: These ones are too cold. These ones are too bulky. These are too scratchy, or slippery, or fuzzy, or something else that never quite feels Just Right. So whenever I have opportunities to try new models, I'm always eager to take them for a spin.
This fall I've been testing three different gloves from two different companies, which are suitable for conditions from "sort of chilly" to "pretty darn cold". True to my Goldilocks form, I found something to nitpick about each one of them, but they're all pretty solid choices. Brief reviews follow below, and one winner will have the chance to try two pairs for him or herself, because that's the prize for today's giveaway. But first, the reviews.
Manzella is a New York-based company that specializes in one thing: making great gloves. They have a diverse product line broken into three activity categories - hunting running, and general outdoor – and three temperature categories, ambiguously designated as warm, warmer, and warmest. Throughout the fall I've tested two of their running models: the Sprint from the warm category, and the Hatchback in the warmer category.
I started wearing the Sprint glove as soon as temperatures dipped into the 40s a couple of months ago, and I've been very impressed with its overall comfort. The glove is made of 4-way stretch polyester that conforms nicely to your fingers to provide good dexterity with zippers, headlamp buttons, and other gear. The fabric has great moisture-wicking properties, and is thin enough to fit underneath a thicker glove or mitten if necessary.
My only complaint about the Sprint is that the Control Trax rubber on the palms and fingers, built to provide outstanding grip in multiple conditions, feels fairly scratchy against my face when I'm wiping sweat off my forehead or cheeks. But at a price point of $15, you'll get your money's worth from these in no time, and they're ideal for cool-weather marathons or other long-duration aerobic activity.
Once the weather grew colder, I turned to Saucony's ViziPro Glove, which has some nice innovations that make it stand out from your standard running gloves. Truthfully, they could probably stand out based on color alone: a high-visibility orange that Saucony has applied to a whole product line this winter. However, Saucony wants to make absolutely sure that these gloves are visible; they have reflective accents on the backs of the hands and fingers, and a cool little LED that can be set to a steady beam or blinker.
The light rests on the right-hand glove and is oriented so that it faces oncoming traffic if you're running on the proper (left-hand) side of the road. It's not nearly enough light to see by, but just enough to catch a wandering eye from approaching drivers. The whole light can be removed from the glove, and it recharges via a USB port on your computer. Another nifty innovation on these gloves is a tiny magnet embedded on each cuff, so the gloves stick together in your drawer more easily – but truthfully, their bright orange color would make them pretty easy to pair up in the event that they got separated.
The only drawback I've experienced with these also has to do with wiping: aside from the thumb, the entire surface of the glove is a polyester material that doesn't absorb moisture at all, so it feels a little too slick when you run your fingers across your face. Temperature-wise, I've worn the ViziPro comfortably into the mid 30s, and they're fairly comfortable for a couple hours of intense activity. They typically retail for $40 from the company website (linked above).
The coldest-weather glove of this review is another Manzella product, with another cool design innovation. The Hatchback glove is convertible, allowing use as a water-resistant mitten or a microfleece stretch fabric glove. In colder temperatures, you keep the fingers inside the windproof finger hood, and if the morning warms up or if you need to get in and out of a zipper pocket, you peel back the hood to let your fingers function independently. There's a stowaway pocket on the backside of the hand for tucking the hood when it's not in use.
The hood comes in either a high-visibility yellow color or basic black, and the remainder of the glove has small reflective accents for enhanced visibility. A NanoSphere protective coating on the hood provides a bit of water resistance, but it's not a true rain glove, since the portion that's not covered by the hood will get soaked pretty quickly if you're in a heavy downpour. The palms and fingertips of this glove score pretty high on the "grip vs wipeability" scale, with just the right amount of rubberized material in key locations, and soft surfaces everywhere else.
This was my favorite glove of the three in this review, mainly for its versatility in a wider range of temperatures. As a fleece glove with the hood tucked in, it's comfortable in the low 40s, and with the hood in place I've been able to tolerate sub-freezing runs. (And this is only the "warmer" category of Manzella's lineup; they have warmest models that look ideal for true hardcore conditions). The Hatchback retails for $30 from the company website (also linked above).
And now for the giveaway! One winner will receive two pairs of gloves: the Saucony ViziPro, and the Manzella gloves of your choice based on availability. I'll put you in contact with reps from each company, and they'll assist you with sizing and give you instructions for how to claim your prizes. We'll make this contest easy: one comment, one entry, with the winner announced on Thursday night, December 9th. Enter by 5PM PST on the 9th to be eligible.
Thanks very much to Manzella and Saucony, and good luck to everyone!
*Sprint and Hatchback gloves provided by Manzella
**ViziPro gloves provided by Saucony.
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DKNY Be Delicious 100ml Eau de Parfum Gift Set
DKNY Be Delicious for women is a modern, juicy fragrance that combines the fresh crisp scent of apple with a seductive blend of exotic flowers and sensual woods. Designer Donna Karan has come up with another winner - and the eye-catching apple bottle contours to the palm for easy and convenient spray.
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S**t, I've Got to Stop Swearing
A Momologue by Andrea: Changing my swearing habit might be even harder than changing diapers.
"First of all, let me start this off by saying I curse like a truck driver (I apologize to those well-mannered truck drivers out there who never use expletives). But frankly, I like a nice swear word now and then. I'm good at them. But now that my 21-month-old is starting to repeat everything my husband and I say, it's probably time to stop. A couple months ago I thought it was already too late because my daughter's favorite word seemed to be that one that rhymes with "luck." She loved saying it. Over and over. Particularly in crowded restaurants. But turns out it was just her cute little mispronunciation of "fork." Boy, we were forking lucky.
This "cleaning up my language" part of raising a child isn't going to be easy for me. Transitioning from hell to H-E double toothpicks is going to take some getting used to. I've been swearing for a long time. So long, in fact, I barely even know what's considered a swear word.
Case in point:
The other day Lily toddled into our room clutching her doll looking so adorable I was overwhelmed as only a mother can be. I turned to my husband and said, "Jesus Christ, she's cute!"
My husband, an ex-Catholic and confirmed atheist was appalled. "Don't swear in front of her."
"What? You're kidding, how can that count as swearing when neither of us considers Jesus Christ our personal savior?" He countered with: "Do you want her to be in preschool saying, 'Jesus Christ, I love to finger-paint?'
Point taken. So what other words are off limits? I'm aware that pissed, ass (unless it's one of the those rare occasions we're discussing donkeys) and bitch will be the first to go. But my friends with older kids have informed me that I even have to consider phrases like "shut up" as swear words. I'm screwed.
So, I guess its time for me to wash my own mouth out with soap before my little parrot starts to pick up my bad habits. Holy Mackerel.
The Associated Press reports that Sister Kathy Avery of St. Clare of Montefalco Catholic School in Michigan doesn't take any s**t. She wanted to be SUPER clear with her students about which curse words she would not tolerate—and proceeded to read them aloud to her stunned students. Nice work, sista!
HAHA! I guess its not too early to change our swearing habits before our 15 month old starts repeating everything. Gosh…this will be hard!
My husband and I do the same thing. Our girls are 2 1/2 and 15 months….its hard and sometimes we both catch ourselves swearing and not even realizing it. Its hard and bad…Good luck, hopesully you will do better than us!
Right on Mother ^%&*! Now I swear as much as I can from 9 pm to 6 am!


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The Red Dragon Inn Play the original! Join Fiona the Volatile, Gerki the Sneak, Dierdre the Priestess, and Zot the Wizard with his familiar Pooky on a night of carousing in the inn!
The Red Dragon Inn 2 Four new characters join The Party! Fleck the Bard, Gog the Half-Ogre, Dimli the Dwarf, and Eve the Illusionist are here to stay!
The Red Dragon Inn 3 The Party keeps growing! Wizgille the Tinkerer, Brewmaster Phrenk, Serena the Pious, and Kaylin the Renagade with her companion Wulfric are here to shake things up!
The Red Dragon Inn 4 The Red Dragon Inn adventurers are off to the high seas aboard the Crimson Drake, and you can be a part of the adventure! Join Captain Whitehawk, First Mate Remy, Bryn the Boatswain, and Tara the Navigator for even more fun!
The Red Dragon Inn: Allies – Pooky He may be Zot's familiar, but he's nothing to scoff at! Expand your party and find out just how vicious this little white bunny can get!
The Red Dragon Inn: Allies – Erin the Ever-Changing She's not your average woodland elf. She's one of the few adventurers out there that can both mend bones and break them with her bear hands.
The Red Dragon Inn: Allies – Cormac the Mighty A barbarian from the north, Cormac seeks adventure and glory. But watch out–when his rage gets high, he can deal some serious damage!
The Red Dragon Inn: Allies – Witchdoctor Natyli This young troll shaman likes curses, hexes and dolls. She can temporarily debuff other characters, so be careful!
The Red Dragon Inn: Gambling? I'm In! Gamble like a real adventurer! Comes with the Rogues and Warriors deck and a handbook laying out nine new games of chance for your poker night, roleplaying game, or night at the inn!
The Red Dragon Inn Guide to Inns and Taverns This Pathfinder-compatible sourcebook describes how to add inns and taverns, like the Red Dragon Inn, to your own adventure!


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Jim Pascoe: On BBC Radio you said "There, in those four wonderful
prose poems of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, I slowly reacquainted myself
with the Jesus of my childhood ... and it was through him that I was
given a chance to redefine my relationship with the world." What
is your relationship with the Jesus of your childhood, or perhaps, what
is your relationship with the Christ story? And how are these relationships
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About Inchcape Jaguar
About H.A.FOX Jaguar
As one of the largest franchised dealer groups in the UK our manufacturer partners include Audi, BMW, Ford, Jaguar, Land Rover, Lexus, Mercedes-Benz, Mini, Porsche, Smart, Toyota, Volkswagen. Inchcape Retail work hand in hand with all our manufacturer partners to ensure we deliver their brand values better than any other retailer.
Our focus is operational excellence and delivering an outstanding customer experience, never forgetting that our customers have a choice.
To support our vision Inchcape Retail has invested continuously in dealership premises, staff training and technology to ensure our dealerships offer exceptional customer service and have class-leading facilities.
Specially trained retail, fleet and business vehicle sales staff, together with manufacturer trained staff to assist with any parts and service requirements are on hand to help with all your motoring needs.
For more information about each of our H.A.FOX Jaguar retail centre please click on a location on the map.
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The Inchcape Lighthouse - born from a Pioneering Spirit
Inchcape lighthouse lies out to sea of the east coast of Arborath, Scotland, It stands on one of the most treacherous submerged reefs in the northern hemisphere and is one of the seven wonders of the industrial age.
Robert Stevenson, a pioneering young engineer, overcame many obstacles to build a lighthouse on Inchcape rock that had claimed over 100 lives. It was completed in 1811 and is still standing today saving lives.
100 years later, inspired by Stevenson's pioneering spirit, James Lyle Mackay when awarded a title for his services to industry became the first 'Baron Inchcape of Strathnaver' and named the company that he founded after the rock – Inchcape.
Inchcape - Diverse & Worldwide
Many of the companies that now make up part of the Inchcape group can trace their roots back to merchant partnerships founded in the 18th and 19th centuries in the Persian Gulf, East Africa, India, China, Hong Kong and Japan.
Mackay, who inherited a prosperous shipping and overseas trade company in Scotland, went to India in 1874 to work as a clerk for a firm of traders and shipping agents. The company was engaged in a diverse range of industries - trading tea, sugar and textiles, insurance and banking and eventually was managed by Mackay.
Inchcape - shaping for the future
It was Mackays' grandson the 3rd Lord Inchcape who brought the widespread family businesses under one holding company - Inchcape & Co Limited, which was the forerunner of the present Inchcape group that was floated on the stock exchange in 1958 and became a PLC in 1978.
At the end of the 1990s the Group became focused purely on the automotive industry which paved the way to Inchcape being one of the leading vehicle distribution and retailing companies in the world today.
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At Inchcape Jaguar we recognise that your business motoring needs are as individual as you are. You'll find a wide range of funding solutions, from hire purchase and lease purchase to contract hire plans - with a full company car opt-out programme if you so require.
We'll tailor a bespoke package to suit your company needs and budget perfectly, leaving you with no unwelcome surprises in store. From a single company vehicle car to complete fleet management, We have the experience and skills you've been looking for.
We have demonstrators ready and waiting for you. Trust our helpful corporate teams to make your business motoring run as smoothly as your Jaguar!
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So, to experience for yourself what Inchcape Jaguar have to offer, why not take a Test Drive? You'll be able to enjoy the performance and refinement of the range in your own time.
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Within our group you'll find a huge selection of Approved Used Jaguars, all first-class examples, from almost new 'delivery mileage' to a fantastic choice pre owned competitively priced Jaguars. We're proud of our fine reputation and are committed to supplying our customers with Jaguar vehicles that offer the very best value for money. Any make of part exchange is welcome.
Through the Jaguar Approved Used Car Programme we'll ensure that your car exceeds your expectations. Nothing is left to chance. Every vehicle we sell undergoes a thorough multi-point comprehensive inspection and comes complete with at least twelve months warranty cover, roadside assistance and a host of other benefits, including a certified background check and mileage confirmation.
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The excellent service doesn't stop when you've taken delivery of your Jaguar, we're committed to exceeding all your expectations in the all-important field of continuing aftersales care.
This includes meticulous servicing and maintenance by our Jaguar-trained Technicians, who use the latest technology to keep your Jaguar running beautifully.
We aim to ensure that your Jaguar ownership will be a unique and, above all, a thoroughly rewarding experience. Please remember, we're only ever a phone call away, and our friendly team will always be pleased to help you with informed advice about our cars, accessories and services available.
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Art styles: Old School vs New School
Submitted by TheDeeMan on September 11, 2005 - 15:31
After my partner Monique and I updated our webcomic GAAK with the latest new page, a reader wrote the following comment and it was just one of those things that make you go "Hmm?":
"...I said it before and I'll say it again cuz I haven't seen this comic in a while. But this is pure brilliance missed out by a lot of people by the old school style. The sad thing is that you're like 100 times better than popular artists out there, but it's not flashy or anime cuteness..."
It made me wonder, if clothes make the man, do art styles make the webcomic? Do you as webcomic readers read the webcomcs you do more because of the art style that it's drawn in? Do you think the face of the growing anime/manga style juggernaut that "old school" comics/webcomics like GAAK and others suffer from a lack of "flash"?
Just wondering.
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by apfurtado - 09/11/2005 - 17:34
Do you as webcomic readers read the webcomcs you do more because of the art style that it's drawn in? Do you think the face of the growing anime/manga style juggernaut that "old school" comics/webcomics like GAAK and others suffer from a lack of "flash"?
Hey Dee Man,
This is something I've been encountering since I started making webcomics back in 02. I get more responses from people who have been around the block for a while and have some appreciation of the "Old School" style, (Mainly people more on the creative end of things) than I do your average webcomic reader.
I definitely feel that if I adopted a manga/anime style to my work, my stuff would be a lot more popular. That's not going to happen though. I am what I am. Having conversations with other webcomic creators over the years, I know that I'm not alone in this thought.
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by Coydog - 09/11/2005 - 17:38
Sometimes I think we're destined to have a following of other creators more than a general fandom. They have a better sense of the substance beneath the surface.
Monique MacNaughton
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by Anonymous - 09/11/2005 - 18:45
I wasn't aware there were only two styles of drawing.
Are comics just either "manga-influenced" or "not-manga-influenced"?
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by TheDeeMan - 09/11/2005 - 19:48
Give it a little time and it may become just that "manga influenced" and "non manga influenced".
Just this week someone here at Comixpedia referred to GAAK (that "Old school" comic of Me and Coydog's) as something they'd "prefer to read in print form". I guess nowadays when folks think of old school/new school art styles they may infact be thinking old school as in traditional print comic style art and new school as in the growing manga influence in webcomics and the skyrocketing anime/manga comics.
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by TheDeeMan - 09/11/2005 - 20:20
Here's a related question. Do you think old school vs new school is a question of age? That younger readers who began reading comics in the age of anime/manga prefer anime/manga above and beyond all other styles?
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by Coydog - 09/11/2005 - 20:42
I can draw manga style, it just doesn't come naturally to me. I've done such characters for video games
Monique MacNaughton
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by Coffee_Ninja - 09/12/2005 - 04:10
Just as a note GAAK is currently messed up. It says that it couldn't fing the comic data.
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by TheDeeMan - 09/12/2005 - 04:44
Yikes! You're right. Seems Dunk Duck is having a bit of an operational hiccup.
Be sure to check GAAK again if you were trying to read it and couldn't. The folks at DD are always on top of these little gliches.
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by TheDeeMan - 09/12/2005 - 04:49
I don't think it's a matter of "old school" artists like you, AP, and others being able to draw in anime/manga style or not, Coy. The question is how, in a relatively short time, one specific style (anime/manga) can become such a dominating force in the medium.
I mean, when Marvel had The Punisher go anime/manga a while back, you just knew the times they were a'changin'.
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by apfurtado - 09/12/2005 - 07:48
There have been so many trends in comics throughout the years that seem to just spawn imitators. The comic world got all grim and gritty, when Dark Knight, and Moore's Watchmen came out. When Liefeld became a household word, superheroes became steroid freaks with little feet and abstract anatomy. Thank god that trend didn't stick around. I was inspired by the underground guys and the Euro-Heavy Metal artists of the 70's. I think that the manga style was following in that same trendy tradition but, something else had occurred. I believe that the trend went beyond comics and into the video game industry which just burst the bubble of popular culture. So I think it became more than just an art form and morphed into a popular culture phenomenon, here in the US of A. What we've been seeing is a whole generation that's grown up in this manga-anime video-game inspired world. So, I think it's only natural that webcomics influenced by this style are going to be much more popular than the cave-dweller scrawls I'm putting out there. I'm not a big fan of the whole genre, but I can definitely see its appeal. I'm sure somewhere down the line it'll morph into something else, but until then, I'll just have to be content in my little "old-school" seat in the classroom.
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by rezo - 09/12/2005 - 10:43
I don't think it's a matter of "old school" artists like you, AP, and others being able to draw in anime/manga style or not, Coy. The question is how, in a relatively short time, one specific style (anime/manga) can become such a dominating force in the medium.
I think it's similar to the presence Hollywood Cinema has around the world(unless it has none and I'm a foolish American). I've heard that over 40% of the books printed in Japan are comics(I don't know what the actual stat is... but the point is that there are a lot of comics there), and a comic featuring such hard hitting plotlines as someone investigating the possibilities of opening a factory in Vietnam for the japanese company he works for can sell over a million copies of its books and be made into a super nintendo game. It became the dominating force because its classification is so general that when you refer to "anime/manga" as a style it really is referring to other comics as "not anime/manga" and "anime/manga" is the single biggest push the comics industry has recieved in general over the last decade. So even though there are likely more "not anime/manga" influenced books/webcomics being made in the west, its presence still very recognizable and people don't look at all of the comics that come out here as being part of a single general group like manga, though in reality there are plenty of styles and themes present in anime/manga, and some genres,like the factory investigation comic I mentioned earlier have almost no presence out here. In fact, the only place you can get the book I mentioned in English is from Japan.
As far as the general "draw better than most popular comics"... most popular comics on the web aren't so because of their art. There is no pride in being able to say you can draw better than people that aren't drawing(either by choice or because of lack of ability) very well. Take most of the "good art" webcomics and compare them to strong works that are in print and most of the webcomics will seem fairly pedestrian. On the otherhand, if you can find a crappily drawn comic that is popular and working with similar themes as yours and it started later than you... then yeah, I can understand the fans shaking their fist at it having success where you should have. But for certain genres and styles being more popular than others... those are just the breaks. Manga may be the thing now.But not in general. You probably have to work with comedy, fantasy or sci-fi and you can't stray to far from the things the fanbase is familiar with or you'll alienate a large number of them while not really picking anyone up from the "no anime!" camp. You'll also do better when your comic is in color, and when it focuses on being funny, and uses simple linework over texture heavy complicated technically impressive linework, features very attractive characters over gross looking ones etc etc etc
Unless you plan on developing a comic based on exploiting the marketing quality of its elements, I think its best to not worry about those kinds of things. They're not what you want to do. If it is what you want to do though, then make the best colorful cartoony comic strip featuring the big-boobied models making jokes(possibly about the big boobies) that you can. Don't make the humor too subtle or clever though! If you're too good at being funny, many people won't be able to get the jokes!
Anyways, for my own personal preferences: I like some of the styles that were more common in manga from the 60s-70s and the styles found in American comics from the pre-1950s era- primarily comic strips. I can count the webcomics that I know of that make use of these styles on my hand and still have a few fingers left over.
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by apfurtado - 09/12/2005 - 11:48
I don't think it's a question of "draw better than most popular comics", that's a totally different discussion. I think the main gist of this conversation is the popularity of one style over another. The manga/anime style and I know I'm generalizing here, is without doubt, a cultural phenomenon in many different areas. That includes comics, video games, the web and even our own Hollywood born movies. I'm not implying that any comic with a hint of manga/anime influence sucks. I'm not a fan of the style but I do find merit in a few comics that are technically well-done, no matter what style they're in. An example I can use is Fantasy Realms. This is a great looking webcomic comic with a pretty descent story, and it's definitely influenced by anime. I just purchased the Appleseed DVD because it's a stunning piece of work. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that, I'm not a flag waving anime/manga hater. I just prefer one style over the other but, I can appreciate a piece of work if it's well-done no matter what genre it is.
Pertaining to webcomics, I think the thing that disappoints me the most, is when someone starts a comic to try and cash in on what's popular, whether it's style of art or genre. These comics inevitably fail, and if there's an abundance of them, it could potentially hurt the webcomic genre as a whole. As an example, look at what happened to the Independent market when the Ninja Turtles appeared on the scene. It started an explosion of self published Ninja rip offs which pretty much leveled the whole scene a few years later. Now am I saying that the boom of manga/anime inspired webcomics is going to cause the webcomic community to implode? No, I'm not. But in some way, I don't think it helps very much. Diversity is the seed that helps a genre grow.
Another argument could be that because of the ease of putting a webcomic up on the net, many creators don't give themselves enough time to shake-off their obvious influences and mold it into their own personal styles.
I don't know…I forgot what the hell I was talking about!
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by rezo - 09/12/2005 - 13:27
I don't think it's a question of "draw better than most popular comics", that's a totally different discussion. I think the main gist of this conversation is the popularity of one style over another.
The "drawing better than popular the comic" thing was mentioned in the first post, so I commented on it as well as other stuffs!
The reality is that the majority of comics made regardless of what they're influenced by are fairly derivative. Someone could pass off the fact that they think too many comics are manga influenced, while they work on a fairly straightforward action comic. Someone could say your comic fits in with all of the fantasy comics made(one of the more represented genres, and even in the scope of manga that gets released out here fantasy, sci-fi and comedy are fairly overly represented... the comic you pointed to is an example of that, I guess)... I can't read it to confirm how much(nor do I really care to. I'm just using you as an example because you're the guy I'm talking to). But defending your comic or any other individually isn't really worth anything, because someone that thinks that way will probably gloss over it when they come across it.("elf and troll...where are the hobbits" kind of thing). GAAK's is fit into the mold of a more popular style from another era, apparently. Comic/humor strips tend to have squashed cartoony characters, and people of the superhero mindset tend to think that "creatinging a character" is giving someone a costume, a power, and a neat name.
The reality is, and I say this often, that if something comes off as unique to someone, it isn't because the artist is doing something new and amazing. In most cases it's just a matter of the reader not being familiar with what the art is influenced by. There are few works that I would say really stand out artistically, manga or whatever else. And I don't mind it too much because that's just the way things are. Something with 1 million readers will influence more people than something with 10000. Most people are influenced by the most popular things out there, so in general, visually, everything we see in comics should come across as "familiar" to a comics reader. And I don't think people are influenced by manga to "cash in on what's popular." At least not so much with webcomics. That may apply more to the "Spiderman... in manga form!" thing that Marvel was(is?) doing. I think that because its popular it's natural that you'll see a lot of people doing it. And similar to how -in the eyes of detractors- manga is a sort of very homogenized sort of singular style, it is also seen as such a thing by some fans, who in many cases don't read manga at all and think that the comics follow the same styles and approach as the cartoons(you'll notice that the influence of anime is far stronger than manga is out here... and that makes sense, because people don't read comics. They do,however, watch TV). In any case, that is quite different than ripping off a concept like Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If there were a single popular work that everyone was emulating in a really obvious manner, I'd love to see it... but I don't think it exists beyond the normal habit of working with familiar genres.
Kiwis by beat!
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by TheDeeMan - 09/12/2005 - 13:49
I think you're both right actually. AP with "diversity is the seed that makes a genre grow', and Rez with the comment that anime/manga as a style is seen by some as becoming "homogenized".
I think anime/manga has become homogenized. It's like rap music used in tv commercials. Like Sir Mixalot's "I like Big Butts" used to sell back to school clothes. Even more telling is the what Rez pointed out about anime/manga fans who don't buy the comics for whatever reason. I've even seen some artist clearly influenced by anime/manga who deny it.
I'm much closer to a flag waving anime/manga hater than AP is, but I recently commented to an artist that I liked her particular style of anime art and she nearly lost her mind. She went on this "This is my own style that I've been developing for years! It's not anime!", etc, etc. Like she was saying, "How dare you compare me to that crap!". But to anyone with eyes, born in the post Speed Racer/anime cartoon age, her "style" had anime written all over it, whether she liked it or not. And she obviously did not.
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by Michael_Harker - 09/12/2005 - 13:50
Please tell me what you mean by old-school. So GAAK is "old-school." Is this the same "old-school" as Captain Spectre? The same "old-school" that John Allison uses? The same "old-school" that White Ninja Comics employs? Do you mean "old-school" as in Jack Kirby ? Frank Miller? Scott McCloud?
If by "old-school" you simply mean, not-outwardly-influenced-by-manga, then yeah, you are right, all comics are either manga or not manga. Just like all comics are either include space aliens, or do not include space aliens. I don't even understand what this discussion is about, yeah, manga is a popular trend right now.
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by TheDeeMan - 09/12/2005 - 14:01
I can only assume by the comment that was made about GAAK in specific, but I'm sure could have been made about AP's work or the comics that you mentioned (I'm only familiar with one of them) and any number of other non anme/manga comics, that the poster saw old school as more in line with traditional comic art (comicbooks, strips, etc) as a style. I used the words "new school" in my post to describe anima/manga because as a comic art style here in america it's a rather recent thing.
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by Michael_Harker - 09/12/2005 - 14:44
I picked those comics because they're entirely different from each other. Captain Spectre is sort of a retro, 30's-40's radio-serial-looking comic, Scary-Go-Round has a very smooth, colorful, cartoony look, and White Ninja is essentially glorified stick figures. All wholly different styles, but by your division as I understand it, would all be considered "old-school." None of them are "manga," so are the all "old-school"? My point was that I don't understand how we can simply classify all comics as either "manga," and "old-school" in a practical way, when there are thousands of styles, artists, and comics that though, they often borrow from one another, are pretty unique.
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by TheDeeMan - 09/12/2005 - 15:57
Michael it is my fear that, as someone brought up earlier, that comics may well one day be classified as manga/non-manga. Go to any comics forum, and just like the difference is made between webcomics and print comics, the difference is also made between traditional art styles and manga. With manga/anime often having it's own separate forum.
I understand what you're saying, but manga artist often make the distinction themselves that they are infact "manga artist". And being a relatively new style (to us) I called it new school. A bad choice of words maye on my part.
And you really can't get more od school then glorified stick figure doodling, now can you? LOL.
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by rezo - 09/12/2005 - 17:12
The manga/comic forums are just because manga generally refers to comics from japan, it's not because of the art styles(or at least, I've never been to a place where "manga" drawings are put in one forum and "not-manga" drawings are put in another). It's not much different than a movie message board having a foreign film section... which in some cases is narrowed down to asian or chinese films depending on the tastes of the people there.
I don't think it's much worse than having "punk rock" as a genre instead of just calling it rock. People classify things, that's just how it is. If you go to the right place they'll probably seperate the "boy" japanese comics from the "girl" japanese comics and a bunch of different things, but in the end everyone gets that they're just comics.
Also I think you confused "homogenized" with "commercialized".
But yeah, if western comics were classified out here in the same way as manga is, people would be considering white ninja, your comic, and scary-go-round as all being the "Same style". Japanese people refer to American comics as "Amecomi" but I think that is mostly just used for the generic superhero look, I'm not sure.
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by TheDeeMan - 09/12/2005 - 18:17
"Amecomi"? Now that is scary. LOL.
But I guess most folks who hear the terms anime and manga don't know the difference between the two, so why not "Amecomi".
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Re: Art styles: Old School vs New School
by Demetric - 09/24/2005 - 09:35
It made me wonder, if clothes make the man, do art styles make the webcomic? Do you as webcomic readers read the webcomcs you do more because of the art style that it's drawn in? Do you think the face of the growing anime/manga style juggernaut that "old school" comics/webcomics like GAAK and others suffer from a lack of "flash"?
Does art make the comic, well yes at least in a sense? On the web or in print the first thing you see is the art. And just from looking at the art you can tell a few things about the comic. If you see people with big heads and 3 fingers on a hand. Well it's safe to say the story of that comic is more comedic. Now if u see a lot of high gloss art with uber detail. Well that ones more likely to be serious or have a less comedic tone.
If the art is dark and kinda creepy then it's probably a horror book. So yes art does make the comic but well it kinda can't help it. Now do I think anime/manga is taking over and causing some other comics to suffer? Yeah of course but that's only a sign of the times it can't be helped. Ok lets flip things right quick as I try a what if scenario here.
What if manga had been this big 30-40 years ago? And what if the old school comic style was becoming big today? Naturally things would be different we'd be asking is manga/anime suffering instead. And instead of seeing a pointy chins and ppl with bed hair we'd be seeing superheroes jump onto the scene. Here's something else to think about tho.
Fad or not maybe ppl are using manga style because there's something to it. Maybe they see I don't know beauty in the art and depth in the stories. Or maybe they just see big breast, fireballs and giant robots. Either way it's not a bad thing if anything manga can only make American comics better. If we learn from them instead of just biting off the style.
In closeting the manga style was born out of a mix of art style. One being the American comics the Japanese took home after the war. And the tradition of ukiyo-e art which is about the simplicity and beauty of a line. So ya see they learned from us and well now its our turn what so wrong with that.
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RE: Re: Art styles: Old School vs New School
by qsamurai - 09/24/2005 - 19:13
Here's my issue: once Borders figured out that manga was popular, they took half of the graphic novel section (in Waldenbooks it's more than half) and devoted it to manga. Why? Because they've been defined as different only on the basis of their art. Which I think is silly - they don't devote a portion of the shelf just to comics drawn in any other particular style. Miller-esques don't get their own sections, or Kirby-esque, or even 50's style versus more modern graphic novels. It's not that I don't like anime or manga, but I don't think the art should be such a defining characteristic, completely disconnected from the writing. There should be division between different genres on the graphic novel shelf: horror, superhero, science fiction, crime, relationship, etc. The problem is that Borders doesn't give enough validity (or volume) to the medium of graphic novels to say that they might have the same categorizations as their "real" books. They get lumped together like their medium was their genre.
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Re: Art styles: Old School vs New School
by Edgy24 - 09/24/2005 - 19:51
[quote:b0735abcc1="Demetric"]Fad or not maybe ppl are using manga style because there's something to it. Maybe they see I don't know beauty in the art and depth in the stories. Or maybe they just see big breast, fireballs and giant robots. Either way it's not a bad thing if anything manga can only make American comics better. If we learn from them instead of just biting off the style.
As far as current comics go, it's really gotten to the point that folks are just copping the style. A lot of American comics sort of fall into either the artsy realm or the superhero realm. Even the major manga publishers don't seem all that keen on evolving the style or anything. They're just cashing in on the whole manga thing.(*cough*Tokyopop*cough*)
If there's anyone at fault for the manga trend, it's the major American comics publishers which have a history of shackling and screwing over the talent and confining the comics market into a profitable, although dwindling niche. From my understanding, the Japanese at least give their creators as much freedom as possible to create what they want. It doesn't mean their product is superior, but it does mean it's different, and that in my opinion, is the major selling point. Imagine if American-style creators had that level of freedom in print to represent and promote their culture. Manga wouldn't stand a chance, but that's just my theory.
I'm sorry to say that in the end all of it is just business. The kiddies are into all that fluffy manga crap, so it must be pushed to the point of excess. That's how capitalism (i.e. da' system) works.
Oh yeah, hi everyone. I'm new to these forums. Second post, yippee! :)
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RE: Re: Art styles: Old School vs New School
by qsamurai - 09/24/2005 - 20:49
Hey Edgy! I'm new too (this insubstantial little thing is my second post). I'm a big fan of your comic!
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by TheDeeMan - 09/24/2005 - 21:40
I'm with you, Edgy. I think that nowadays a good majority of folks are just copping the manga style because it's popular now. And that if conceptual stick figure drawing becomes popular tomorrow, those same folks would drop manga like a hot potato for the new "trendy" thing.
I really don't think I would mind so much if the stories were worth a damn. Manga is becoming the new "early Image" brand of style over substance.
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by Demetric - 09/25/2005 - 00:01
It was once said
That to be an artist you have to be a business man.
And yes many ppl are just biting the manga style. But well isn't it fair to say that ppl copied the superhero style? Ya see I'm not really a card carrying member of those for manga or comics. Each has it's faults and each has aspects that make em great. The detail and style of comics are wonderful. But the story arc and character depth of manga is outstanding.
I'd love to see someone take those3 two parts and put em together.
Welcome to the boards you two.
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by TheDeeMan - 09/25/2005 - 01:35
Well, I don't see much of the depth you mentioned. I've seen a lot of manga webcomics that are little more than a bunch of doe eyed, spikey haired, girly-boy looking guys doing little to nothing for panel after panel, and page after page, but fight eachother.
I guess that was always the knock against superhero comics as well. Replace spikey haired girly-boys with muscle bound steroid cases in tights, right? So, is manga becoming the new superhero comic? That seems to be the genre of comic manga bites hardest into.
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by Charles_Snow - 09/25/2005 - 07:30
Whoa. So that means I'm kickin' it old skool. Awesome.
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by Demetric - 09/25/2005 - 16:09
Just to name what i can off the top of my head
Semi Auto Angel at www.wirepop.com
Not really sure if Inverloch fits into manga. But it looks to much like it not to mention it. And again i say i'd like to see someone put those two elements together. So its clear i'd like to see this in webmanga. Such things are pretty easy to find in big name anime/manga.
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by Anonymous - 09/25/2005 - 16:36
This very topic of conversation has led me to propose a serious research study into whether webcomic formats influence the repeat readership of the average webcomic browser. I'm initially proposing to draft college students (100 - 200 ideally from numerous universities in NJ) into viewing 3 original webcomics, each one representing a unique popular format: sunday newspaper, manga, and mccloudian infinite canvas. The comics will not feature any text, so the simple story will be driven by art alone. The students will fill out a questionnaire to express their opinions of various aspects of the sample webcomics, and whether one particular format would entice them to come back for more. There are other details in the study, but that's the gist of it. If the study actually comes together, I'll be sure to post more details here.
-BizarroJoe (still waiting for my forum registration to come in...)
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by rezo - 09/25/2005 - 16:51
If there's anyone at fault for the manga trend, it's the major American comics publishers which have a history of shackling and screwing over the talent and confining the comics market into a profitable, although dwindling niche. From my understanding, the Japanese at least give their creators as much freedom as possible to create what they want. It doesn't mean their product is superior, but it does mean it's different, and that in my opinion, is the major selling point. Imagine if American-style creators had that level of freedom in print to represent and promote their culture. Manga wouldn't stand a chance, but that's just my theory.
I doubt it. While the best comics from whatever region will always be comparable in quality, the fact is that the comic culture is huger on all levels in Japan, with some publications selling weekly amounts that are nearly equal to the size of the entire comic supporting population in the US.(based on estimates I heard several years ago which put it at 1%-2% of the US pop) They're covering a wider amount of topics to a deeper degree out there and nothing short of half of America falling in love with comics will change that.
In the mainstream American market, I think the most important thing that needs to change is to need to continually support iconic characters endlessly. The fact is that in 20 years it is very likely that Spiderman, Batman, X-men and Superman will still be[some of the] the biggest comics on the market, and two of the biggest publishers of American comics are still depending largely on nothing more than "a collection of super heroes". Look at the big pointy haired fighty comics of japan(which are usually pretty obviously aimed at junior high kids ) and you'll notice something similar about all of them. They actually have an ending or will eventually end properly. In twenty years, Dragon Ball, Naruto, Yu Yu Hakusho, Ring ni Kakero...anything will not be on new adventures or fighting that same foes ad nauseam. They will be "classic series" that new artists mention reading when they were children. They'll all have been the singular vision of one creative team and not farmed out to whoever could keep them going. I'm sure there are some series out there that seem to go on forever, but they're not nearly as dependent on them. And in the same giant telephone book sized comic collection(which only costs a few dollars) that gives them their spikey haired fight comic, they also get comics about real life drama, sports, comedy, card games etc... does America even a single well known Sports comic? It is ridiculous to even think about, that such a simple genre had to be introduced to America when the sports being played are far more popular in America( and the japanese creators make references to NBA players and their designer shoes and etc)... if you're looking for a particular kind of story from manga, it is not too difficult to find out about a comic of that type that has recieved a fair amount of success. Caveat being that there are many that are left in japan and certain genres and themes(that I'm not particularly interested in) dominate what makes it here. But if you want something with a theme as simple as "relationships"(which could entail any variety of human drama), you're almost immediately going to be looking for small press books. =\ I think that's pretty crap.
As for why simple big-eyed fighting comics or cheesy magical girly comics or whatever are so popular is easy enough to understand. It's the same reason that superhero comics dominate American comics. The most popular themes are the most likely to be repeated. You will never find a situation where the majority of something is distinct and unique, which is why people try to point out their own originality by comparing themselves to things that are vastly different than what they do instead of things that are thematically similar...where the conventions they use are much easier to identify.
Surely we've all come across the "I don't do a gamer comic" comment before.
Kiwis by beat!
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by William_G - 09/26/2005 - 11:47
Here's a theory I'm having a hard time counter arguing:
People who like, romance, action, comedy, legal dramas, spiritual, SF, and the various other genres, dont read comics because they can get this material in droves on their TV or at the movies. The reason why western comics are dominated with superhero works is because comics are the best place to get that material. This doesn't account for the differences in culture, but it sugests that American print comics wil NEVER change because they are filling a niche.
Still, good comics is good comics regardless of how it's rendered.
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by William_G - 09/26/2005 - 11:55
Theory #2:
You know how some of your friends like the Lil John and most anything else they can "get jiggy" to, and some of your other friends like The Misfits, Black Flag, and just about anything they can jump around and be agressive to? and the only reason they like it is because it speaks to them on some level?
It could just be that manga is suited to the tastes of the people reading and making it, as is the Kirby/ Crumb tradition to those reading and making it.
But, as stated above: Good comics is good comics regardless of how it's rendered. For example, both Maus and Barefoot Gen are engaging memoirs on the horrors of war made in very different styles.
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by rezo - 09/26/2005 - 16:09
Here's a theory I'm having a hard time counter arguing...
Probably because its true. Most genres under represented in comics are available in other forms. Comics had their chance to maintain a large market decades ago, but society shot them in the foot, and now there's very little reason to recover/for people to seek those things out in comics... in spite of how much as I would like it to.
I think the market will change though. It already has started to. It'll never gain the popularity of other media though, not unless someone can create an argument for why most types of human drama are best delivered with cartoon characters trapped in boxes rather than with... humans.
Kiwis by beat!
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by Tim Demeter - 09/26/2005 - 17:53
Some human drama is better done with only prose, so never say never.
Tim Demeter
does a bunch of neato stuff.
Bustout Odds
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by rezo - 09/26/2005 - 18:10
Stories driven by thoughts for one, but it doesn't really matter. Conventional literature has been around long enough and was accepted wide enough for it to still have a place even when other media allowed for similar things to be done in a manner that appeals to people on a much simpler level. Comics have not. Or at least, not enough of a presence to be relegated to not much more than a sideshow in comparison to everything else.
Kiwis by beat!
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by TheDeeMan - 10/08/2005 - 04:36
Now this is kickin' it old school:
What a great looking comic. If that doesn't remind you of saturday morning cartoons of old, you were obviously wasting your saturday morning cartoon time as a kid watching the Smurfs. And shame on you. LOL. :)
G.A.A.K: Groovy Ass Alien Kreatures It's like The Goonies meets The Invaders from Mars. Updates on Mondays.
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by AceTachyon - 10/19/2005 - 14:11
Are we just referring to comics made here? If so, then the superhero genre seems to dominate.
But if we take a country like Japan, where comics, IMO, are treated like another medium, the genres covered are similiar to what we see on TV or cable: crime, noir, fantasy, SF, legal, sports, soap opera, etc.
As to old school v. new school, I suppose one's mileage may vary. Some like a Steranko/Buscema/Kirby look, some a Katsuhiro Otomo, some a Jim Lee. In certain cases, the tone and premise of a work dictates the style. (A really dark horror story done in a Peanuts style won't have quite the same effect as one done in a highly photo-realistic style. Unless you were going for parody or the like.)
I agree with William: At the heart of the issue, good comics is good comics.
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In the video that seemed to be in endless loop on ESPN this afternoon, you can see a man in what looks like an orange-colored singlet, running near the gutter along Boylston Street, approaching the finish line of the Boston Marathon. He looks like he might be kind of old. He has covered more than 26 miles at that point, and is almost done. He has worked very hard to get to there, probably having run some 400 miles in the last few months, probably through some cold and ice (Boston being a spring marathon and not caring that the training weather in the months leading up to it is less than ideal). He probably had a few mind-numbingly long treadmill sessions under his belt, too. Aches and pains. Missed parties and movies, all in the name of training.
The finish line is in sight. Finally. He'll be able to stop. Some nice volunteers will give him a bottle of water, an apple, maybe a cheese stick and a bag of potato chips, all designed to speed his recovery after such a long run. They'll wrap him in a silver blanket to hold in the heat, and he'll totter off on legs as stiff as stovepipes to meet his family, maybe his kids and grandkids, who will ooh and aah over his finisher's medal.
He's been out there more than four hours. Four hours is a long time to do anything, let alone run up and down deceptively steep hills along the marathon's course. He's almost done. His goal is in sight. Given the speed he's running, there's a good chance he was running to raise money for a charity. Boston's rigorous qualifying standards are suspended for charity fundraisers who tend to be long in dedication and shorter in speed. So it could be this guy is out there helping out sick kids, or honoring someone — maybe a friend or spouse — who's died.
He's running. He's almost done. And then he goes down. A shock wave, or maybe a piece of glass or shrapnel, causes his legs to buckle and he drops like a sack of sand. All around him people keep running. They turn and look, but they keep running. Because if ever there were a good time to run, and run away, it would be at that moment. But running is what they know. So they run. Because how could they even comprehend what has just happened, that a bomb went off during something as benign, as playful, as peaceful as a marathon? It defies logic.
The old guy goes down. And the video I saw stops. Right there. He's down. So close. What happens? Does he get up and run? Is he one of the grievously wounded? Did he die? I wonder. I have to know.
(Turns out his name is Bill Iffrig, 78 years-old, and — thank goodness — he's fine, aside from a minor knee scrape. In fact, he even crossed the finish line with help from officials. "Just the shock from the blast was the only damage," he said.)
Warning: Video is graphic
I ran the Boston Marathon in 2002. As a charity runner, raising money for research into Parkinson's Disease. My mother, a swimmer as strong as she was tough, was withering from the disease. So I ran to honor her. To help her. I finished in a bit more than four hours. My wife, pregnant with twins, and my one year old son waited for me just past the finish line. With my sister and brother-in-law. My family. Maybe 100 yards from where that bomb went off.
I was that guy in the orange-colored singlet. I had stove-piped legs. I ran by the gutter on Boylston Street. My knees were buckling.
It could have been me.
It could have been any of us.
I grew up in Boston. Going to the 11am game at Fenway on Patriots Day, then cheering the leaders through Kenmore Square. I walked down Boyslton Street hundreds of times, from the Dog House to the Public Library, literally hundreds of times before I ever ran down it.
I grew up in Boston. You can hear it in my voice when I'm tired or have had too much wine, or when I'm mad.
Tonight, you can hear it in my voice.


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