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The Hawks fan base is a colorful lot, such that it is. When we're not blaming our favorite targets for anything and everything, we're busy trying to prove each other wrong and our own selves right. I'll start this by saying that I don't know if I'm right, and that it doesn't matter either way. But…I do have an opinion, and a rather strong one. So do you, and I want to hear it, no matter how vehemently opposed it might be to mine or anybody else's. But, let's try and respect each other at the same time. Leave the insults to each other's collective intelligences out of the conversation. After all, if we were all that smart and that good, we'd be running an NBA franchise. Right?
Here goes, and some of these thoughts have been fermenting for days, others for weeks, some for months, and still others for years.
The Future
With a collective bargaining agreement situation brewing, the possibility of no basketball next season is looming. However, I won't dwell on this long, and the fact is that the NBA simply has to be paying attention to what's going on with the NFL. Here's the difference – the NFL is a 9 billion dollar business. Fans might be mad about the lockout, but as long as none of the games are missed, they'll come right back and the NFL will STILL be a 9 billion dollar business. The NBA? Not nearly so lucky. David Stern is already looking for ways to keep things rolling. Two of the most powerful and popular teams (Lakers and Celtics) whether you hate to love them or love to hate them, have just fallen in this season's playoffs, and it could very well be a while before they rise again. I'm betting L.A. gets back up off the mat before Boston does, but the point stands. The NBA can't afford a black mark like a lockout, because they WILL lose significant business. Why? Although rising stars such as Blake Griffin, Derrick Rose, and Kevin Durant make the game exciting, it's just not enough at the moment. The Heat are not even remotely beloved the way the Lakers once were, and there is no presence like Michael Jordan in the game any longer. Jordan's presence was such that transcended all sports. People that never had a basketball in their hands knew who he was. There is no such guy in the NBA right now. Not with that type of marketability. No Magic Johnson, no Charles Barkley, none of those guys. I say the lockout won't happen. But enough of that.
What's the future for the Hawks? Kinda murky, if you ask me. They won't sink to non-playoff team level. But they won't get farther than they did this year, either. Not if they stand pat and maintain their usual status quo. They have to make some tough changes, or their future isn't going to be much of a future. It'll be more like a limbo.
Coach Drew
Larry Drew proved he was better in the postseason than Mike Woodson was. Was it enough? If the ASG doesn't sell off the team and Rick Sund sticks around, my guess is "yes." Should it be enough? Well, that can't be truly determined without looking at the players as well. It can be hard to assign blame and credit when you just don't know all the internal facts. Drew talked about accountability, but he had a very hard time enforcing it. Is that really his fault, or do we just want it to be? The man gets slain on the regular for his offensive schemes, his lack of defensive enforcement, and his substitutions and lineup choices. Yes, he spent six years with this team as an assistant coach. But, he was still a rookie head coach. Comparing him to other rookie head coaches could be rather unfair when you consider such factors as prior experience, assistant staff, GM and owner performance, and of course…who you have playing for you. Since the Hawks lost to the Bulls, it's easy to compare Drew to Thibodeau. Well, consider the Bulls culture and then compare that to the Hawks. Yeahhhhh, not so favorable, eh? Now, consider that Thibodeau spent his most recent assistant job as the defensive mastermind on a team that not only stayed in the hunt for a championship for a few years, but actually won it. Suddenly, Drew's assistant coach experience pales in front of Thibodeau's. So comparisons aren't going to be everything we want them to be. Then of course, there is the whole thing about Larry Drew and Jeff Teague. It looks to me like Drew is trying to cover himself just a bit when he says he intended all along to play Teague more against Chicago than he did against Orlando. Ok, maybe he did, but just how much more? Without speculating on that too long, I'll just say it wouldn't have been much more than he got in the regular season on a night-to-night basis. And here's my opinion on Drew – the whole thing with Jeff Teague is both reasonable in the beginning (let him earn the starting job) and forgivable (not playing him enough) in the end. Why? Because Teague's development did not make or break this season, although his presence in the 2nd round definitely helped us win 2 games we otherwise would not have, and remain pretty competitive.
Drew stays, and he won't kill this team. But, there are questions. Can he coach this team to better heights if some personnel changes are made? Or will his own performance not get any better? Remember, this was his first year as a head coach. Is judging him conclusively at this time a wise thing? Drew is a part of this team's culture. The question is this – is he a part that will hold the team back, or is he a part that can contribute to the betterment of this team? There is no neutral ground in the case of a head coach.
Who Stays, Who Needs to Go
Forget about Joe Johnson going. The Hawks signed him like he is the only face to this franchise, and unless a blockbuster deal is made for a team that wants to build something that can compete with the Heat, Thunder, Bulls, or whoever else figures to be at the top of the NBA pile, Johnson stays put. Having said that, rule nothing out. Chicago will find out that they probably don't have quite enough talent/power out of their #2 guy, and they may be willing to do something to put themselves over the top. A clue to this will be how they do against Miami, so WATCH CLOSELY. I believe they are a true #2 player away from beating anybody in the League. Having said that, Joe strikes me as a guy who won't hold this team back in a culture setting. If things beging to truly change, Joe can go with the flow. Especially if he becomes comfy with the idea of moving to the small forward position in the near future. As it is, he is still our best overall player and our most talented scorer. After watching how Joe played vs. how our supposed future team leaders played, you can't tell me you want to trade Joe off for peanuts and a new pair of shoes. No way.
Marvin Williams is a guy a lot of people would like to get rid of, and after his nearly complete lack of a presence in this year's playoffs, I can't make a very strong argument for why we absolutely must keep him. Does he hurt us if he stays? Not unless we are forced to use him as a starter all the time. I think Marvin's role is best as a guy coming off the bench now. If we can trade him away for good, useable value, I won't cry. If not, then let him be a 20+ mpg bench guy. He doesn't have to like it, he just has to be decent at it. On the other hand, if Damien Wilkins shows he still has a bit left in the tank, he's a good "end of the bench" vet to have, as he can give better than "end of the bench" performances.
Kirk Hinrich just got here, and as long as he's healthy, his versatility, smarts, and toughness aren't easy to replace. Trading him is only something we should do if it's a deal that really makes sense. Otherwise, he's a good backup to both guard spots, especially at the point. I believe that Jeff Teague should be our starting point guard, especially if he comes back and plays the way he just did against Chicago. The future is fairly bright, all he needs is a better jumper with a higher release, nothing some intense summer training with a pro won't fix. Pape Sy is a guy who intrigues me a bit. He seems smoother than Mario West was (but maybe just as energetic), obviously with more size, and he could be a solidly developing 2 or 3 for us next season. We shall see.
Who knows what will happen with Jamal Crawford. The guy is a gunslinger by trade, and that's what you are buying when you hire him. The problems with Crawford begin when you try to use him as a point guard too much, let him have too much free rein with the offense, or leave him on the floor when perimeter defense is needed badly, or is needed far more than scoring. Otherwise, you should know what you're getting when you pay for his services. Crawford is good to have, but maybe no longer for this team. Why? Because as the playoffs showed, we rely too much on our guards scoring, and relying on Crawford as the #2 scoring option has obvious side effects, as discussed a couple of sentences ago. The Hawks have to get past this and become a team that can score inside as well (or nearly as well) as they do outside. For that reason and no other, it may be best that Crawford moves on. Let me say that another way to avoid misunderstanding – Crawford is not a guy I see as a problem for this team. I see the use and the dependance upon him as a problem. There is a difference.
In the frontcourt, let's start with the reserves. Etan Thomas was barely used and Josh Powell is just not consistent or physical enough. Both can go. Hilton Armstrong is a guy I still wonder about. I can see why he has floated from one team to another, but he's another end of the bench guy. He can go too, but somebody has to be at the end of the bench. It's either him or Thomas, most likely. Magnum Rolle (I still don't know what he looks like) won't figure into the conversation. Jason Collins has shown his usefulness and isn't a bad person to keep around. He knows how to play his role and plays it well. As for Zaza Pachulia, much maligned as he was at times during the season….he's a keeper. On a team like this that needs smart big men who aren't afraid to get physical with anybody and who like rebounding? Trading him is something you do ONLY if you know that what you're getting back is better. Otherwise, it's plain stupid. Pachulia has proven himself yet again, and I think anybody would be hard-pressed to prove otherwise. Take a look at the game 6 boxscore and you'll see precisely what I mean.
Now we come to the crux of it all: Al Horford and Josh Smith. There are going to be some truly hot opinions where this is concerned. I'll go ahead and get this out there first – I believe that Josh Smith has to be traded. Why? Because it's either him or Al Horford, but something has got to give. Let's look at each guy and I'll explain it.
Al Horford – Some people claim that Horford has better trade value and that may well be the truth. I find it ironic that those who want to trade him are going to base their arguments off of his performance, more specifically his playoff performance. Really? Then how do you reconcile that performance with him having a higher trade value? There must be substance for there to be a high trade value, and if there is significant substance, why would you want to trade that away? The problem with Al is mental, but it's different than it is with Josh Smith. Al began the season wanting to move to power forward. Oh, he wouldn't come right out and say it, but both he and his head coach talked about it plenty. He also began to play like it. And in the playoffs, it got worse. However, here is why you don't trade Al Horford:
1) Despite Al's sudden aversion to being the team's tough guy, he still made the all-star team, and he also made the All-NBA team. Let me say that again – he made the ALL- NBA TEAM. Yes, it was the third team, but that still means he was named as one of the 15 best players in the League. You're going to trade that away in favor of somebody who has yet to figure out how to make an all-star team? You better be getting an all-star back. And it better be a low post player. A center. Horford is substance, and not unrealized potential. Right now his learning curve is in the area where he has to learn how to maintain all-star level play, even in the postseason. He has to learn how to raise his game in the postseason.
2) Horford is coachable. Whatever his issue is mentally, it can be dealt with. Horford was a virtual beast his first three years. He can get that back. If one subpar playoffs is all it takes to throw a guy out, then there are a lot of guys who should have been traded a bunch of times. The man is a winner and a hard worker. He'll look at how he played in this postseason and vow to never have that happen again. He'll take the criticism, he won't refute it or argue against it. He'll own it. And he will do better. He will also do what his coach asks him to do.That is Al's personality, it's who he is. He's not a dominating shot-blocker or an intimidating presence at the rim. He has weaknesses. He's an all-star who didn't play like an all-star. But he can fix it. He will fix it.
3) Horford has true leadership abilities. There is no substitution for that. The Hawks need true floor leaders, and Al is one, even if he failed at it this postseason. Some successes aren't possible without the experience of failure first. Trade Al away, and you lose a leader.
Josh Smith – The mercurial forward has the uncanny and rare ability to change the game for his team on either end of the floor. He has more potential and capability to do this than any of his teammates. He's the most dynamic defender, and one of the game's most dangerous finishers on the fast break. All of this ability, and Josh just cannot seem to harness it for more than what sometimes feels like mere moments. Though it pains me as a long-time Smith supporter to say this, here is why Josh Smith needs to be traded:
1) All that potential and ability. After seven years, the best argument we have in his favor is that he was snubbed by the all-star voting. Some worry that if Smith leaves here, he becomes an all-star elsewhere. I call BS. Smith has the perfect and best opportunity to be an all-star here, but he just hasn't bridged the gap. And guess what? He won't. Josh will not play to his strengths long enough to help himself out, much less his team, on a consistent basis. For years we've said that Josh's positives outweigh his negatives. That's been true, and it's been good enough for the "development and potential" years. That was good enough for the first 4 or maybe even 5 years. But it hasn't been good enough for the last two years. It just isn't good enough anymore. His negatives may be fewer, but they are hurting his individual game as well as this team's performance.
2) This one hurts as well – Josh is not coachable enough. Maybe it takes a different coach, I don't know. I'd love to say that Smith would succeed under a Gregg Popovich, a Phil Jackson, a Larry Brown, or maybe a Doc Rivers. But I just can't prove it. Smith isn't listening to anybody that is telling him what he doesn't want to hear, and there are just too many interview or post game comments that make this obvious. As mentioned before, he just won't play to his strengths enough, and as some have noted, he seems more interested in proving that his weaknesses aren't weaknesses. What kind of team captain consistently ignores his coach? What does that do to the culture of a ballclub? Smith is intent all too often on playing the game the way he thinks he should play it, despite the overwhelming evidence that should show him otherwise. He doesn't see it. He won't see it. Smith is just too comfortable here, where he can claim seniority amongst his peers as a Hawk, where he isn't shouted down by his non-confrontational teammates, where he was named a co-captain (a backfired plan). It's not that good players don't contend with their coaches. This happens plenty. But good players, especially the best ones, have a strong relationship with their coaches. One that works on the professional level, even if they never spend a minute together away from the court. And the best players can also back up their disagreements with production, while accepting the consequences of their actions. Josh doesn't produce at his best when he plays how he wants to play (as opposed to how he SHOULD play), and he is also not very accepting of the consequences.
3) The hometown kid and highlight factory excuse is done. I understood the fear that any owner or GM would have in trading away a local hometown kid, especially if he was a key component to the team. Especially if they thought he might develop into a true star when traded away. Especially if his going took away an element that the team simply could not live without under any circumstances. But that is not the case here. Josh still makes the most electrifying plays in a Hawks uniform at Philips Arena. But they've been too few and far between. Disagree? Well that's fine, but I'll tell you right now – there is a reason why I'm convinced of this – when the vast majority of the home crowd in your arena groans, screams, or otherwise voices its collective disapproval every time you wind up for a jumpshot, you have just lost the hometown/local kid mystique. Sorry, but it's over. People will miss the dunks. They'll miss the blocks. They'll even miss the full court passes. Until somebody else starts doing it. As it so happens, a 2nd year point guard is beginning to be known for his dunks and blocks. There will be more where that came from.
So there you have it. Change the culture, change the look, change the core. Trade Josh Smith, and the Hawks will accomplish all three. Having said that, trading him for the wrong person will make it look like a bad move. But it's a move the Hawks have to make, I believe.
Fire away folks….
Big Ray, Hawks Fan Nest Blog
May 13th, 2011
5:37 am
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May 13th, 2011
6:20 am
I like the in-depth analysis and I agree with most of what you are saying. The question is, who would we be able to get back for Josh? Would Josh for Bynum be a good move considering Bynum's troubles staying healthy? Is it worth the risk?
May 13th, 2011
6:53 am
Ray I hate to admit it but it is time for Josh to go. How can somebody who has such a crappy outside shot keep shooting? WTF My kids are tired of me yelling at the TV every time he jacks one up…even when he makes it. As for Marvin he will NEVER live down being picked over CP3 & D Wil… so get rid of him for anything you can get expiring contracts, picks or used equipment. I still love my Hawks….maybe next year
May 13th, 2011
7:01 am
@ Big Ray
Sorry man I disagree I say we keep Josh and try to get Dwight Howard over here like yesterday if Josh stays are chances are high, but if he goes we'll probably lose out. Yeah I know we will probably lose out regardless, but at least it looks like we got a chance better than New Jesery anyway.
May 13th, 2011
7:01 am
This is article is truly without substance. I see that there are a lot of lost "talking heads" and Hawks fans around here. Let me back up for a second and give some credit. For one, I agree Teague should be starting PG. I also agree that Jason Collins would be good to bring back at the minimum. The agreeing pretty much stops there.
Allow me to explain.
#1 Joe is not untradeable and should be traded because you know Joe's value.
You do not even know the value of Josh or Al because they have not peaked whereas Joe has.
Also, it is not Josh or Al because Josh should this series just like last that he can be highly effective at the SF position. Remember he started at SF all games against the Magic and some games against the Bulls.
The correct thing to do is move Joe Johnson since you know his ceiling and can truly gauge value.
PG Teague
SF Josh Smith
PF Al
Fill in the blanks.
Lastly, on Drew. I am disappointed that people fail to realize Drew is part of the core and may be a bigger part of problem than some realize. Josh has been around this guy his whole career and the same for Al. How do you know that Josh does not need to here an entirely different voice to get the best out of him. Why give up on a 25 year old before a 50 year old or whatever Drew is. That is just backwards to me.
The tough decisions should be who your coach will be and seeing what is the best possible deal for Joe Johnson.
May 13th, 2011
7:06 am
Agree changes have to be made. I will admit, I am one of those kinda skittish about trading Josh …. but something HAS to happen in the starting 5 (as it existed in reg. season) and bench talent to even contemplate going to the NEXT level.
This series showed the type of team we have good/bad: We can ball when we buy in on a the game (or team) philosophy and take advantage of our matchups. We get run out of the gym when we have to resort to plan B on an off-night or need a significant lift from the bench.
Do we have the desire to spend to upgrade the bench and fit the pieces we need? That remains to be seen and the onus is on R. Sund and the ASG.
Problem is …….. our only way to improve is trading current assets. We literally traded two 1st round picks (Jordan Crawford, the 2010 selection and the draft position for 2011), so we don't have much to work with to make changes other than trading existing talent and free agency.
Last year, I was hoping we would get Ronnie Brewer and/or Amir Johnson to bolster the defensive side .. didn't happen.
Now, we also face some $$$ considerations on what to do with Kirk, esp. if we expect JT0 to realize his potential after his remarkable playoff display.
As far as Josh, one wonders if he did have an established coach vs. all these 1st time HC during his career, if he would be more consistent and coachable. I think someone linked to an article by CBS Sports Greg Doyle that stated Josh had the potential was heading towards the type of career ripe with potential, but ultimately failed to live up to it.
May 13th, 2011
7:09 am
May 13th, 2011
7:01 am
This is article is truly without substance. I see that there are a lot of lost "talking heads" and Hawks fans around here. Let me back up for a second and give some credit. For one, I agree Teague should be starting PG. I also agree that Jason Collins would be good to bring back at the minimum. The agreeing pretty much stops there.
Allow me to explain.
#1 Joe is not untradeable and should be traded because you know Joe's value.
You do not even know the value of Josh or Al because they have not peaked whereas Joe has.
Also, it is not Josh or Al because Josh should this series just like last that he can be highly effective at the SF position. Remember he started at SF all games against the Magic and some games against the Bulls.
The correct thing to do is move Joe Johnson since you know his ceiling and can truly gauge value.
PG Teague
SF Josh Smith
PF Al
Fill in the blanks.
Lastly, on Drew. I am disappointed that people fail to realize Drew is part of the core and may be a bigger part of problem than some realize. Josh has been around this guy his whole career and the same for Al. How do you know that Josh does not need to here an entirely different voice to get the best out of him. Why give up on a 25 year old before a 50 year old or whatever Drew is. That is just backwards to me.
The tough decisions should be who your coach will be and seeing what is the best possible deal for Joe Johnson.
I must add, after you trade Joe for the best available package you should then look to trade Marvin, Zaza, and Kirk.
Marvin because trading guys like this simply help morale. You don't need any freeloaders around.
Kirk because he has a expiring contract which can fetch you a piece that your limited cap space would usually not allow. By the way, I still contend we should have done the same with Jamal.
Zaza because he basically showed up when he wanted to, which was after All-star break. Why does he get a pass and this great rep for being big and bad, when he is not big and bad enough to do it all the time? If you can get a better package by throwing Zaza in there with Kirk"s expiring don"t hesitate because once again you know what Zaza is and there is not much upside to him for you to be holding on to him like gold.
May 13th, 2011
7:27 am
I've said it several times before. Lakers interested in Superman. If they get him, and I believe they will if the new CBA doesn't create problems for them, then they have a big available. I'd take either Bynum or Gasol for Josh. Prefer Bynum, as Gasol is more a power forward than center, but at least he will play within the team concept.
JJ to Chicago? Could happen. JJ to NY, more likely. They're loaded with draft choices and want to get better quick. They missed on Carmelo…JJ could fix that.
Coach: LD is not elite….this team will never reach the elite level without an elite coach. He's ok, but not elite. Probably need new ownership, as this one is too cheap to go after one of the best. And, we need one to be one of the best "teams".
May 13th, 2011
7:28 am
That's JJ to New Jersey….oldtimer's disease.
May 13th, 2011
7:33 am
Excellent "final balance" blog. You're the man.
It's been a great blogging season which fortunately gave us a little better tasting meat in the playoffs to chew on.
Personally, I don't agree with your Al-Josh analysis.
Soft guys don't change. Stubborn guys sometimes do (see Z-Bo's improvement).
IMO, you can't coach to extract toughness out of softness, but you can coach a stubborn guy to stop doing stupid stuff (Woody made Josh stop launching 3's and for me that is enough evidence).
Al failed miserably in these playoffs and his Puff Forward game without Nowitski's moves and range is worthless in the playoffs.
I was blind, but now I can see. Diaper Al will never take us anywhere. He may still be useful, but I would not rely on him anymore. He looked scared, shot more airballs in the playoffs than in all 4 regular seasons together, was abused by (and failed to out play) another softie (Boozer), subs (Azik, Gibson, …) and smaller nobodies/middling players (Bass, Anderson, …).
Josh just needs true quality coaching: authority, accountability and quality x's and o's. He showed up in game 4, made a good effort in game 5, brought us back yesterday a couple of times with his hustle on D.
Did he damaged us as well? Yes, but as I said above, his miss guided efforts were corrected last year, so my guess is that I think he can still improve.
LD brings a bit of x's and o's (in comparison with Woody) but the harsh reality is that both Woody and LD are only suited to be assistant coaches.
Our most significant off-season move should be getting a new coach here. I know it won't happen and the consequence will be that next season, these cats will do the same number: coast during the season thinking that they can turn it on in the playoffs.
Well, it worked this year, but it was also kind of a fluke and they don't realize it.
Our roster is actually fine IMO, with obvious problems, but fine. However, I would trade Marvin for a couple of 2nd round picks, even if they end up being worthless at least we would ditch his salary.
As for Jamal, I would not mind keeping him for the money he deserves ±3 million and provided that he got the daylight his game deserves (ie. in a series like this one against CHI, him playing like he did after game 1 and still averaging 30mpg was pathetic).
And you know why our roster is not that bad, IMO?
Look at how effective was CHI's second team? Where those guys so much better than ours? Better than our starters? No, it was coaching, pure and simple.
During game 5 Thibs surprised me a great deal. I thought that he was a type of coach that gets too intense and loses his men after a while.
But when CHI was starting to play a bit shaky and lost the lead his instructions to his men were:
BREATHE, JUST BREATHE. Sometimes not giving instructions is the best possible route. He seems to understand that.
That is something that for instance SVG would never say to his men and that is why he loses his men so often.
A final word on Teague. I have been extra supportive of Teague. These series were very good for his confidence and revealed the kind of player he can be.
He is not there yet because I am not blind: he benefited from the attention that JJ and Jamal were getting and from having Korver checking him.
So, I don't think it's realistic to think he will average 17ppg next year (I am discounting yesterday since his injury took his game away), but he will certainly be able to put up 12/13 whilst filling up the rest of the stat sheet with good stuff just like Josh does.
By the way, a final note: Both Josh and JJ will benefit greatly with Teague starting.
I think JJ will have no problem in giving Teague the ball handling duties and will improve from his over reliance on his ISO plays (he accumulated bad habits but proper coaching as mentioned above would do the trick).
Josh will benefit from the faster tempo game which Teague brings and could regain his J-Smash game. I can see Josh dunking alley hoops on people again just like Howard does with Nelson playing the pick 'n roll.
Again, it's all about coaching. We have the personnel to extract much more.
If we are forced to keep Diaper Al, I would consider this line up for next year:
Teague, JJ, Josh, Al and Hilton
Hinrich, Wilkins, Zaza as the main subs
All of the above are above average defenders/hustlers with Hilton being the main question mark
Sy, Jamal and Marvin (if we retain him/not trade him) and Collins as spot subs.
All these have particular skills which may be useful (with Marvin being the probable exception, unless he all of the sudden morphs into a bigger version of Rickey Pierce).
People will say: Josh at the SF slot? I will say yes, a different kind of SF. Again, it's all about X's and O's – Josh would post up smaller guys and would still play minutes at the PF slot.
The key would be the dynamic rotations on our front court positions, since I would continue to play JJ heavy minutes at the SF slot where he can be effective against SFs who are typically slower and have less handles to cause him problems on D.
Diaper Al would continue to play his soft game at the Puff Forward and Center slots, playing at the high post/elbow and baseline BUT I would not mentally rely on him so much.
Hopefully, with Teague putting pressure on the perimeter, we would have a lot more transition baskets and Al and Josh can fill the lanes with quickness and authority, so it's not that Al would be worthless at all.
May 13th, 2011
7:36 am
Josh Smith certainly would be at the top of my list to go. I was listening to him being interviewed on ESPN last week and he even admitted that you never know who's going to show up, Josh Smith or J-Smoothe. Seven years into his career and he's making a statement like a kid. He should bring his A game each time out, but there is this constant mental block on Josh Smith.
The Hawks overall still suffer from a painful to watch offense, especially when things get tough. It almost always devolves into a 1 on 5 situation with the Hawks players playing the 1 taking on the 5 without any team play. So, then we see the typical awful Hawks shot followed by the other team getting a defensive rebound and no second chance for the Hawks.
I contend that things will be stuck as they've been the past many seasons until this joke of an ownership group is settled.
May 13th, 2011
7:37 am
Hawks Should go after Larry Brown!! The team is a model of the Detroit Pistons team
May 13th, 2011
7:38 am
May 13th, 2011
7:47 am
First, Drew is not the right coach I think…he does not seem to know how to put in lineups like tzking Teague out, the only person that's staying in front of D-Rose some for Crawford whom plays no defense and is not scoring at all….Trade Josh for a good 2 or good 3, let Crawford leave and pick up a decent bench player and try to pick up Tyson CHandler because he will be a free agent…
May 13th, 2011
7:49 am
120 million dollar man..has burned the hawks.All thi talk about tradeing Josh,at least he gives you a 100% effort even with the missed jumppers,but Joe is the hawks go to guy who would shoot the ball,drive the ball,or be aggressive on both sides of the court,he let us down last year,he did it again this year…and im fed up with it.They can do better without him.Hawks should EAT his contract,let him walk(thats what he wants anyway),cut your losses and get a guy who wants to be there.Keep the guy who wants to win,and who will be passionate for the game,and do what ever it takes to win…Josh Smith.
May 13th, 2011
7:49 am
May 13th, 2011
7:54 am
May 13th, 2011
7:56 am
I agree with truthspittter.
I see some long posts here.
Are the Hawks worth it?
I can't see paying guys millions who have so little heart.
Haven't bought a Hawks (or any other pro team) ticket in years.
I fail to see one good GM in all of Atlanta's pro history.
Turner's money made JS appear above average when he wasn't.
The Justice/Grissom for Lofton, Teixeira and Drew trades prove my point.
You can't win a championship with average or less GMs running the team.
May 13th, 2011
8:06 am
By the way,if I was on a team with a player that was making 120mil.,and im only making 100,000 and they expect me to play harder than him…COM'ON SON!!.Hawks could have gotten a FEW good players with that money.WHO RUNNIN THIS SHINDIGG!!..IM A HAWKS FAN AND IM TIRED OF LOOSING TO THESE ONE MAN BAND TEAMS.
May 13th, 2011
8:10 am
Smith (aka J-Stupid) is a sorry excuse for a human being, and is totally un-coachable. Smith get benched for taking the jumper, and what does this guy do? He tells Drew to %%#$# his mother. Class. Smith grabs his privates, and makes a lewd gesture to the crowd, gets fined and says, "I didint know no better"..Really? You didn't know young kids would be watching?
He's been disruptive with teammates in the locker room, and off the court, I'm not sure how many children he has with various women.
Overall, a total loser – on and off the court. We don't need a kid telling the owners to fire Drew
May 13th, 2011
8:13 am
You have to think that a jamal sign and trade and josh smith to orlando is more enticing than bynum…if dwight comes here, then we're a top 3 team in the east
May 13th, 2011
8:19 am
I hope Josh does go!!! Why? So he can prove all his critics wrong. Maybe if he is traded to a team with a great coach and great, not just good players surrounding him then his true abilities will show. The problems with the Hawks is not just Josh….its the whole team. No one can argue that he is the one person on the team that does it all each night. Take a look at the boxscore. He just never gets the credit because he takes a few ill advised jumpers!!! Who doesn't? I am the first to agree that he needs to keep paint on his feet, but why the heck do they keep passing him the ball out there…he's not the only one to blame and its time he stop taking it!!!
May 13th, 2011
8:25 am
Trade them all, except for Teague and Zaza.
May 13th, 2011
8:26 am
I think the biggest issue with the hawks is their history as a core. This team was Atlanta and the Johnsons for so many years. Joe is incapable of having it any other way and everyone else is conditioned to the same. The irony is that LD was going to bring in a motion offense to rid of this syndrome
Another issue that we have with Teauge at the point and Josh at the three was shooting. In that 3 of our 5 players need not be guarded 15 feet or further. No wonder the Bulls played that packed zone defense where no one could get to the rim or get an offensive board. This problem will exacerbate itself next year with the big line up.
No answers here. Just problems.
May 13th, 2011
8:27 am
JJ to NJ makes sense for Lopez and their #1. Josh and Marvin to Minnesota for Kevin Love who will be in the last year of his contract. Trade both #1s for the right to draft Jimmer, who is the pure shooter and playmaker we have desperately needed. If Chicago wants to trade, then JJ for Noah, Gibson, and #1. Line up C Noah or Lopez, PF Al, SF Love, SG Hinrich, PG Teague. Reserves Gibson, Pachulia, Fredette, Collins, Wilkins, and Sy. Also, check out the Wheeler high kid in Cleveland, he might be available. Hawks line up would be loaded with high energy guys who would play defense, rebound, and run an offense where they would pass to the open guy and move! Cosistent shooters with range in Love and Fredette. Please break up this CORE of overpaid, unprofessional, and lazy players!
May 13th, 2011
8:28 am
Josh thinks he's the center of the team, and has had no problem telling his teammates as much. And the coach. As a result, he is almost universally hated by his fellow players who see him as an immature, selfish player.
Smith is a cancer, a disease.
May 13th, 2011
8:38 am
before the season, the know weaknesses of the team were these:
lack of depth at PG, lack of a back-up 2/3 who is a lock-down defender/energy player, lack of starting-caliber 5/low-post 4/5. but most of all, leadership.
and that's what did this team in, in the end.
because of the CBA, none of us know what will happened. same cap? less cap? a mulligan on one contract? furthermore, what of ownership?
so many questions on and off the court … it's going to be a frustrating off-season.
May 13th, 2011
8:42 am
Big Ray,
Boy, I've done and said a lot of things wrong…but my mistakes don't cost championships.
He has kids with two women…both "sets" of kids, he wasn't married to either at the time he had them. I think he married one recently.
May seem low bringing it up, having children without being married isn't something a "smart" person does. It's another example of his overall judgement skills.
Add is all the rest, and you have a walking disaster.
May 13th, 2011
8:48 am
Wow, @ 8:10AM shows I used the term: "Regular Bloggers" on the previous blog. That is just silly talk, stick to the court…
I just don't see getting rid of Smith until you show me a roster with at least 3 players capable of really guarding the perimeter and more than one player capable of protecting the rim… You know what Smith is as a player. When you have players like that (see McAdoo, Artest, Rodman, A. Walker-Heat/Celtics vintage, and the mother of them all R. Wallace); you build in the professional counterweights. They can't be weak, see Jim Jackson or David Robinson. I don't trade Horford or Smith. They've got to make some wise choices with 4 roster spots which are up to FA. Then they they've got jettison Williams and Powell like they did Bibby and Evans…
You made a point when transitioning Johnson to SF spot. But it has to be shared spot, this roster badly needs flexibility…
May 13th, 2011
8:49 am
Big Ray
I disagree (respectfully). What he does off the court is a direct reflection of the kind of person he is on the court. Many teams use personal profiles as a gauge of personal character. The thinking being that players who are good/smart people off the court will be good/smart people on.
One effects the other, and they are both linked when judging a person (on, and off the court).
May 13th, 2011
8:54 am
The owners are to blame for Smith. They give him a long lease (ie, telling LD off, telling teammates off, doing whatever he wants on the court) because he's a hometown guy.
If youve been to any home game this season, youd know ATL has a serious problem filling seats. Smith fills seats.
May 13th, 2011
8:58 am
to briefly take the tri-caps debate one step further …
JJ is a 2 who at this point needs to be a 3.
JS is a 3/4 who's at offensively out of position at the 3 because of floor spacing
AH is a wanna-be 4 who's reputation as an undersized 5 raises his value more than if he were a 4
unless a trade arises where a team is willing to over-pay for JJ, the answer of who to trade comes down to who would you rather have play the 4.
if it's horford, then would you rather have JJ or JS at the 3?
if it's smith, are you comfortable with horford staying at the 5?
no perfect answer.
May 13th, 2011
9:02 am
Go back 4 years. The Hawks only got better when Horford showed up. He is the best player on the team. Look at JJ's stats instead of throwing rhetoric around that he is so good. How does he compare to other top players on each team?
May 13th, 2011
9:02 am
I have read most of the articles on this blog and agree with most. Zaza is a keeper, Jamal is a keeper. Al is a keeper. The others, especially Josh Smith need to be traded. If I do what the coach tells me and it fails, blame the coach. I am a team first guy. I said in another blog that Josh needs to look at Zack's game and learn from him. Tell you what. See if Memphis would trade him for Josh. If so, then i am missing something, but I doubt it.
May 13th, 2011
9:05 am
After these playoffs three things became painfully obvious to me:
1) Jamal and JJ can not coexist. We can not have two shoot-first SGs that have an aversion to passing the ball. That stagnates the offense too much. Jamal has to and will go.
2) Smoove and Al can not coexist. We can not beat the elite players with two power forwards on the court because we give up too big an advantage on the boards. One of them has to be leveraged for a true center.
3) LD is not the coach for this team. It is obvious that this team does not listen to LD. He waits for players to "address their on issues". In fact, I would say that all of our starters regressed this season; JJ had a problem adjusting to the new offense and his production decreased by 3 PPG, Smoove increased his attempts from the perimeter and his effectiveness decreased from 0.50 to 0.47 FG%, Jamal went from being instant offense from the bench to a crapshoot that scored 4 less PPG, Marvin went from being a serviceable player to being a complete non-factor and Al's disappearance act during the post-season was mind-blowing.
I believe that our best course of action is two package Al, Jamal (sing and trade) and Kirk for a true center and a dump contract (Bynum and Artest), otherwise we will be the same team next year than the 2011 version. This group is very close to their ceiling.
May 13th, 2011
9:05 am
I remember the Smith of 5 years ago, much more athletic. I couldn't help but notice how flat footed he looked last night. He looks much heavier than he was 4-5 years ago. He spent so much time sitting out on the wing, waiting, instead of hustling.
I believe Smith has a self-disciple problem, others have called him plain lazy. At his age, he's got to start INCREASING the workouts, and treating his diet like a science.
I don't see him doing this, because I don't think he sees his lack of hustle as a problem. trade him now while we can still get something for him
May 13th, 2011
9:09 am
I believe if we can trade Joe Johnson for anybody or anything cheaper or with shorter contract, we should do it. He is Atlanta's version of Gilbert Arenas.
I dont think we trade Josh. I think we need a new coach that is well respected and established. I think a new coach will keep Josh in line to play to his potential as well as establishing a better offense/defense.


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In the old days "" really, just several years ago "" the situation for an editorial cartoonist was generally fairly clear: he or she worked for this or that newspaper, usually on staff, and that's how they were identified, save perhaps for a syndication credit. Joe Jones, say, was the cartoonist for the Someplace Tribune, and he would try to out-cartoon Sam Smith of the Someplace Herald each day.
Nowadays, the identifications are multiple, fragmented and ever-changing. And in Los Angeles, all the players seem to have changed places.
Thirty years ago, there were three L.A. dailies: the mighty Los Angeles Times. the struggling Herald Examiner and the suburban Daily News in the San Fernando Valley portion of L.A. There were also two major weeklies, LA Weekly and the LA Reader, which had no editorial cartoonists but ran features like Life in Hell by Matt (The Simpsons) Groening.
In 1980, I was one of five (count 'em, five) staff editorial cartoonists on those papers, working for the Daily News (which had recently changed its name from the Valley News). The Times had Pulitzer-winner Paul Conrad as its main cartoonist, along with Frank Interlandi, who drew a Feiffer-ish social-commentary panel, and the Herald Examiner had the soon-to retire Karl Hubenthal alternating with his successor, Bill Schorr, hired away from the Kansas City Star.
I was well aware of Schorr. He had preceded me at Long Beach State, graduating a year or so before I arrived (luckily for me, or I would never have had the nerve to place my weak early cartoons against his highly professional ones), and the Daily News often reprinted his work before they hired me on staff in 1978.
Fast-forward to "" oh let's say, 2004. The Herald Examiner and Hubenthal were dead, Interlandi was long departed, Patrick O'Connor was the staff cartoonist at the Daily News and Conrad had taken a buyout and was replaced by the very conservative Michael Ramirez at the Times. I was in Ventura, Schorr was in New York, and a female cartoonist, Donna Barstow, often placed her New Yorker-type food cartoons in the Los Angeles Times' weekly magazine.
Six years later, the picture is wildly altered. The Times axed its staff cartoonist and its weekly magazine. The Daily News axed its staff cartoonist. The Ventura County Star axed my artist-cartoonist position. None of us have any kind of staff jobs anymore except for Michael Ramirez, who had a position created for his work at the financial paper, Investors Business Daily.
Instead, we are all drawing where we can, and criss-crossing each other's paths at the same publications "" just not the ones we used to be at.
Take Schorr, for example. He left New York (for Orange County) and editorial cartooning altogether until he was talked into picking up the pen again under the distribution of Cagle Cartoons. But he decided to add in Los Angeles and California cartoons, and those are now running weekly in the Daily News. That's the paper I worked at long ago, and in recent months they've used my state and local cartoons several times. Or take Donna Barstow, who got into editorial cartooning in addition to the gag cartooning, and sells some of those to… drumroll, please… the Daily News.
So at the Daily News, there's an odd intersection of Barstow, Schorr and Greenberg local cartoons fighting for the editor's limited freelance dollars. Meanwhile, Patrick O'Connor and I strive to get our rare placements in the L.A. Times, and while Patrick now also gets into the LA Weekly regularly, Donna and I sometimes work our way into the Pasadena Weekly… which runs the Life in Hell feature dropped by the LA Weekly. Got all that?
We're all scrambling for the same crumbs in a freelance world of shrinking spending. We're all doing some of our best work; my local and state material that doesn't get into the print papers has a regular home on LAObserved.com, where my cartoons are pretty well received, at least by all the other media professionals I encounter.
The Los Angeles Times, which I wish would buy more of those local and state cartoons I'm drawing, instead runs L.A.-oriented cartoons each week by a well-known New York cartoonist, Ted Rall (he reads the paper online from thousands of miles away). And Rall "" even when he's traveling to Afghanistan, as he is right now "" also draws local cartoons each week for … another drumroll, please… the Pasadena Weekly.
The local cartooning picture is looking more like a business flow-chart drawn by an over-caffeinated manager, or perhaps more like a Jackson Pollack painting. And I'm not even including other local artists such as David G. Brown of the African-American L.A. Sentinel, Doug Davis of the L.A. Downtown News or Lalo Alcarez, recently dropped by the LA Weekly (another line on that flow-chart).
Editorial cartoons are still being drawn, and read by readers. Local politicians are still being caricatured.
It's just that the people who draw them are all scrambling for those same spaces on the pages that used to be the domain of people, often the very same individuals, with nice newspaper staff cartooning positions.
To which the newest generation of cartoonists no doubt would respond, "what IS a newspaper staff cartooning position?"
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The attacker struck a compound belonging to the minority Ismaili community, who make up a branch of Shiite Islam. The compound houses a cultural center, library and a hospital.
Sayed Gul Agha Hashimi, the head of the Kabul Criminal Investigation Department, initially said the hospital was the target of the attack.
It was unclear why the compound was targeted.
Shortly after the blast, blood was spattered on nearby windows and broken glass was scattered on the ground.
Hashimi said that in addition to the bomber, a security guard was killed and that police were searching the hospital.
No one immediately claimed responsibility for the attack, which was condemned by Afghanistan's Ministry of the Interior.
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The sheriff's office says the inmates were arrested late Thursday afternoon, in Oklahoma City.
Pontotoc County Sheriff John Christian says they received a tip that the two men were on their way to Oklahoma City, Wednesday.
With the cooperation of several departments, including US Marshals, Christian says the two men were arrested in Oklahoma City, Thursday afternoon.
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Combine oil, juice, and pepper in a large zip-top plastic bag. Add pheasant pieces; seal and marinate in refrigerator 1 hour, turning the bag occasionally.
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Contests, — July 3, 2007 — 68 Comments
Win an iPod Shuffle just for linking!
Want to win an iPod shuffle from me? All you have to do is link to this blog and link to my sponsor. You must link to this post and any post from the sponsor you would like.The winner will be selected randomly August 1st, 2007. Watch the video above for more information. The sponsor is Business-Cards-Free.com. Here are a few linking examples.
I just found out that Brandon Hopkins is having a contest for an iPod shuffle. All you have to do is link to him and link to this site about free business cards and you're entered. So now I'm entered.
Brandon Hopkins is giving away an iPod shuffle on August 1st. To enter just link to his post and to the sponsor site about free business cards and you can win.
If you want to win a free iPod shuffle, just link to this site and this site about business cards and you're automatically entered.
The winner will be randomly chosen based on trackbacks to this post. If you enter the contest and your trackback doesn't show up within a day or two, email me with your post url and that will enter you as well.
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here's my post!
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[...] scrivere un articolo in cui dovrete linkare oltre a Brandon-Hopkins, il sito che organizza il contest, anche il sito dello sponsor, ovvero Free Business Card. Dopo aver fatto ciò inserite un [...]
Hey Brandon!! This is the coolest contest ever – love, love, love the youtube video to show it off! I'm surprised more people haven't entered!! But really, that's good for me right?? I want to win it sooo badly!! I'd love to surprise my hubby with an iPod shuffle!
Here is a link to where I blogged about you, your contest and your sponser.
Hope it's cool that I used your video!!
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blurb about your contest etc is in this post on my blog
heres the page of the site that i'm entering…
Dude.. you are gonna get yourself banned from Google…. read this: http://www.pronetadvertising.com/articles/why-we-rank-1-for-john-chow-and-why-you-shouldnt-mess-with-google.html
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Hi Brandon, not trying to be inquisitive, but I'm curious if the means of your contest made you derank at google, just as Sameer A. suggested it would?
Sameer A. posted a comment to your article "Win an iPod Shuffle just for linking!" on August 5.th. suggesting that google would ban you for making people link to you that way.
I was just curious if it had a bad influence on your rank, becourse I was inspired by your contest to make simular initiatives, but hesitated doing so, after reading the article that Sameer linked to.
In my opinion your ways are visionary and true genius, so I'm only glad you didn't derank.
Keep up the good work Brandon, you give your visitors lots of leading thoughts!
I know it sounds like a load of B.S. but I haven't seen simular sites on the Internet, handing new ideas and advices like yours do.
Will this blog work ?
Does it have to be a wordpress blog ?
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Can you believe how vivid the reds of some varieties of Japanese maples are? And the Chinese pistache aren't looking too shabby, either.
Those colors are always there. They've just been just masked by the chlorophyll in the leaves, which was busy making food by photosynthesis while the sun shines.
Come autumn, shorter days and cooler temperatures cause the trees to switch into energy-storage mode, at which point their leaves stop producing chlorophyll. For the few weeks before the leave fall to the ground, they are colored only by their natural pigments. It's those colors — red and purple anthocyanins, yellow and orange carotenoids — that make fall foliage so glorious.
Some years, the show is more dramatic than others. The best conditions for intense leaf color are dry sunny days followed by cool, but not freezing, nights.
A warm, wet autumn will almost surely result in less-than-spectacular foliage, because the process of chlorophyll loss will be less consistent. Freezing temperatures, meanwhile, can cause leaves to drop suddenly, denying them the opportunity to enter their slow, colorful dormancy.
Finally, trees under stress — because of pests, disease, injury or drought — may drop leaves with no color change at all.
I read that the foliage hasn't been great in Vermont the past couple of years, so enjoy the beautiful spots of color we do get, along with our fabulous weather.
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I've received an e-mail about when to expect our first frost.
I've kept a weather journal since 1992, and based on my records, on Oct. 29, 2002, we had a light frost. Mostly, though, the earliest frost occurred the second week of November, with late November being the most common. From 1997 to 1999, the first frost was in the first week of December.
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- Prepare the new location first before excavating any plant. Dig a hole twice as wide as the rootball, but just the same depth.
- Use a sharp spade to make clean cuts through roots when digging. Cut roots will form new, dense and healthy roots.
- Before replanting from a container, check for roots that have circled the interior of the pot. These must be tugged loose and straightened. Don't be shy about loosening roots.
- When replanting, be certain to keep the rootball at the same level it was. This also holds true for plants coming out of containers. Don't add soil over the rootball. Most plants need oxygen at the soil level.
- Check your trees, shrubs and perennials in containers to be sure the roots have enough space.
Rearranging the garden makes for satisfactory fall work.
- Jan Nelson, a California certified nursery professional at Plant Works, will answer questions about gardening in the Santa Cruz Mountains. E-mail her at email@example.com.


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The most interesting facility is that members can get free games by subscribing the PlayStation plus service. Members can get free games every month. So you can experience the playing of video games without paying any money. You will get free PSP and PS3 games by subscribing this service. Not only this, you can get mini games as well as PS one classic games free by subscribing.
Another exciting feature of PlayStation plus is the free trial. In free trial, members can get trial of unreleased games free of cost for a limited period of time. You can complete the full-featured unreleased video games for free if you are good in playing video games.
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There are some other exclusive facilities like automatic downloads and update of system software, games. But to get this facility you need to activate it from the settings mode.
So what you think PlayStation is worth or just a waste of money.
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Nothing wrong with Pat Butcher,even some of the chaps on here resemble her!
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50DMA will cross 200DMA to the upside, an event tomorrow or Thursday will trigger it. You don't want to be short when that happens.
The market has an uncanny way of leaking news into a chart. Take a look at what is about to happen with the 50 and 200 DMA. Something is brewing. If the chart shows what I think it does, we're about to see a significant one day move upwards of 45-60%.
Tell me you're not short with Phase 3 approval pretty much a sure thing? Remember, this drug is already approved in the EU.
It's a fact, look it up. And that's were this is headed... greater than $300m marketcap as approval is all but a sure thing given Biomarin is already selling Firdapse in Europe. That puts CPRX at or greater than $4.50 a share simply based on positive phase 3 results. Approval probably adds another $300m - $400m to the marketcap later this year. This is easily a $9-10 stock on approval, that's if Biomarin doesn't buy them before that.
What's a reasonable offer? 800m-1b Market Cap?
Good point. Doctors either know it's working or not. Given recent volume and increasing institutional ownership I think we have out answer. Thanks.
Recall the $1.9 Million Dollar Fast Track Grand from NIH. Data coming in a few weeks, and given the recent volume plus institutional ownership... Baker Bros, FMR, Broadfin, Millennium, the data is likely positive. Uptrend into data has started. Positive data brings us to $8.
"This study is as an escalating dose study evaluating three dose levels of aerosolized KL4 surfactant and is expected to be completed in the third quarter of 2014."
Yep saw it. Looks like have sent out a request for Spinal Cord Injury patients.
CUR = CURE. That's what they are shooting for. No other company is even close. If you disagree show me another company this far along towards beating ALS.
Interesting. I will double check the listing on clinicaltrials. Thanks.
Seriously, it's one thing to give an experimental drug to someone. It doesn't take much for a nurse to hook them up to an IV and see what happens, it's another whole ballgame to book an OR, all the associated support staff, and perform a massively invasive procedure on someone's C-Spine. You only do that, if the return exceeds the risk. Given these procedures are continuing to happen at the aforementioned hospitals tells me the researchers and surgeons must believe they are helping patients. To me that suggests NSI-566 is the only possible cure for ALS in the works. Investors just haven't figured that out yet. I'd like to know if any other Biotechs are this far along?
Thanks I just looked at BCLI, they don't seem on par with Neuralstem. For me, what's most interesting about Neuralstem's trials in ALS is that they are being conducted at Emory, UMichigan, and Mass General. For those research hospitals to commit resources and training to operative ALS procedures suggests to me that CUR is in a class all its own. Those are big names putting their reputation behind NSI-566. Not to mention the Neurosurgeons performing these procedures. Agree?
Can anyone point me at other companies that are in any serious active trials for ALS? It would seem to me that Neuralstem will likely end up with the first approved ALS treatment making this stock a tremendous value at todays price. I'm curious if other agree/disagree. Thanks.
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You are wrong. You should probably do some research.
I bet the majority of people on this board don't even realize this. I verified it two weeks ago and bought shares then knowing this was easy $$$. Tekmira is the only company with an ongoing FDA trial. I challenge anyone to prove otherwise.
The less Tekmira says the more you know there is material non public discussions happening with the FDA. This stock easily will see $75-$100 a share this week.
Go the the FDA clinical trial website and punch in Ebola. Tekmira is the only company listed with an Ebola drug trial. No other pharmaceutical company is listed - none! Not Glaxo or Mapp. This is the real deal. Go verify it yourself.
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Logli Stores NOT Affected by Recent USDA Ground Beef Recall
ST. LOUIS – None of the Logli stores, located in Rockford, Ill., received shipments of ground beef involved in the Aug. 29 voluntary recall by IBP, Inc. of Dakota City, Neb., according to representatives of Schnuck Markets, Inc.
Initial reports indicated ground beef shipments had been made to all stores operated by Schnucks, including the company's four Logli stores. However, final information received Thursday evening showed Logli stores were not among the stores receiving the potentially contaminated ground beef.
Schnucks customers should check their freezers for all ground beef with "SELL BY dates of Aug. 12 – Aug. 26." Any remaining product bearing those dates may be returned to any Schnucks store for a full refund.
No illnesses have been reported in connection with this recall. But the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA) Food Safety and Inspection Service has determined that this particular batch, shipped by IBP Inc. was part of the 500,000 pounds that may have been contaminated with E. coli 0157:H7.
Schnucks received 157 cases (9,420 pounds) of the recalled beef. As an added precaution against potential cross-contamination, Schnucks expanded its recall to all ground beef processed during that time and showing the Aug. 12 – Aug. 26 "SELL BY" dates.
Based on the process date, federal officials agree there is little chance that any consumer has fresh product on hand at this time. Safe handling procedures in the home and cooking to the proper temperature would have destroyed this bacteria and eliminated much of the risk of illness. However, any of this dated ground beef remaining in freezers may be returned.
IBP shipped the ground beef to 36 states and the District of Columbia. IBP oversees bulk shipments of ground beef to retail, wholesale and institutions nationwide. Customers with questions may call IBP, Inc. directly through its Recall Hotline
The USDA's Food and Safety Inspection Service can be reached 1-800-535-4555.
During regular business hours (Monday through Friday, from 8:30 a.m. to 5 p.m.), customers may also call Schnucks' Office of Consumer Affairs. In St. Louis the number is 314-994-4400. Customers outside metro St. Louis may call toll-free at 1-800-264-4400.
A listing of the 27 Schnucks stores NOT affected in this recall, can be found on the Schnucks website at www.schnucks.com.
Schnuck Markets, Inc. currently operates 91 stores in Missouri, Illinois and Indiana. The family-owned company was founded in St. Louis in 1939.
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Wm. Philip Werschler MD is the founding member of Spokane Dermatology Clinic and Werschler Aesthetics. Previously, Dr. Werschler founded both Aesthetics Skin Care and the Aesthetic Image Medical Spa. Dr. Werschler received his medical degree with distinction from George Washington University Medical Center, Washington, DC. After graduation Dr. Werschler was invited to the University of Arizona, where he completed his preliminary training in internal medicine, and then was asked to return to George Washington University where he completed his Dermatology fellowship. During his time in Washington, D.C., Dr. Werschler was selected to attend dermatology clinical consultations at the prestigious National Institutes of Health, in Bethesda, MD. Dr. Werschler has been an active teaching member of the University of Washington faculty for over 20 years, where he serves as an Assistant Clinical Professor in Medicine/Dermatology. He has previously served as a Clinic Instructor in Dermatology at the George Washington University, School of Medicine, Washington, DC. He is affiliated with several professional societies, including a full fellow of the American Society for Dermatological Surgery, the American Society of Laser Medicine and Surgery, the American Academy of Cosmetic Surgery, the American Academy of Dermatology and the American Society for Mohs Surgery. Dr. Werschler is also a founding member and twice past President of the American Society of Cosmetic Dermatology and Aesthetic Surgery as well as a past President of the Washington State Dermatology Association and the Spokane County Medical Society.
Drawing from his extensive clinical experience, Dr. Werschler has contributed to numerous studies, lectures, and publications in the field of Dermatology. He is also on the editorial boards of several scholarly journals including Skin and Aging, Cutis, Journal of Drugs in Dermatology, and Pathways to Clinical Practice. Dr.Werschler is the founding aesthetic editor of the Journal of Clinical and Aesthetic Dermatology, a PubMed listed journal that is widely regarded as the most influential and authoritative medical journal in aesthetic dermatology. Additionally, Dr. Werschler is the Associate Editor-in-Chief of Cosmetic Dermatology, the specialty's original journal for cosmetic and aesthetic dermatology.
Dr. Werschler is an internationally recognized expert in both medical and cosmetic dermatology/aesthetic surgery, and in this capacity he has been honored to serve as a FDA investigator for clinical trials throughout his career. Today, nearly all of the FDA approved aesthetic injectible dermal fillers and toxins were tested in his research center, Premier Clinical Research, in Spokane. Dr. Werschler is especially proud of his selection as one of the original Botox FDA investigators, where the pivotal clinical trial for FDA approval of Botox Cosmetic was performed in his office.
Pam J. Schell, PhD(c), MSN, NP-C, DN-C
Pam has been a Registered Nurse since 1984. She graduated from Washington State University and received her Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree from the Intercollegiate College of Nursing. Pam completed her Master's in Nursing along with an Advanced Practice Nursing degree in Family Practice through WSU and ICN. She is also certified in Dermatological Nursing. She continues her work toward a PhD in Health Psychology as well with a focus toward preventative medicine. Pam joined Spokane Dermatology Clinic in 2002 and has since specialized in laser medicine, cosmetic dermatology, and skincare. Pam is a member of the American Academy of Nurse Practitioners, Dermatology Nurses Association, and American Society for Laser Medicine and Surgery. She attends several cosmetic dermatology conferences annually throughout the country for advanced cosmetic training. Pam has also received advanced training in the use of toxins and dermal fillers from many top Plastic Surgeons and Dermatologists including Dr. Danny Vleggaar, Geneva and Paris, who is considered one of the world's leading cosmetic injectors. She also actively pursues ongoing education and training in laser medicine through ASLMS conferences. Pam continues to be a certified trainer for Allergan, Medicis, Bioform-Merz, and Sanofi-Aventis Aesthetics, teaching beginning and advanced injection techniques both locally in the Pacific Northwest and nationally.
Pam also serves as a consultant to the skin care industry, and specializes in the teaching of skin care techniques with different product lines, the best of which are carried at Werschler Aesthetics, Spokane Dermatology Clinic's Medical Spa.
Julie Taylor, PA-C
Julie has been a Registered Nurse since 1981. She attended Physician Assistant School at MEDEX Northwest through the University of Washington. After graduating, she joined Spokane Dermatology Clinic in 1999. Since then, Julie has pursued extensive training in cosmetic services including attending the Joint International Laser Conference in Edinburgh, Scotland.
Julie is also a clinical preceptor for Physician Assistant students at the MEDEX Northwest, Gonzaga University, and Rocky Mountain College. She enjoys and practices both medical and cosmetic dermatology.
Daniel R. Rhoads PA-C
Dan Rhoads brings over twenty five years of medical experience to Spokane Dermatology Clinic. Dan began his medical career with his dedicated service in the US Air Force. After active duty, while serving in the US Air Force Reserves, he attended The University of Washington, Medex Northwest Physician Assistant Program, graduating in 1997. Dan also has extensive training and experience in dermatology, dermatological surgery, and FDA research.
Dan is an active member of the Washington State Medical Association, the American Academy of Physicians Assistants, the Society of Dermatology Physicians Assistants, and the Spokane County Medical Society. Committed to the education and training of young medical professionals, Dan has also served as a preceptor for several Physician Assistant and Nurse Practitioner students. He also serves on the Advisory Board for Apollo College.
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Nevus, Spokane Dermatology Clinic's licensed and certified pet therapy specialist and Princely Pooch, holds a lifetime degree in play therapy with a specialized focus on tug-of-war and ball fetching. These dedicated skills make Nevus especially qualified in his pet therapy techniques with all patients. Nevus can make anyone's visit to Spokane Dermatology Clinic more pleasurable with his big smile and wagging tail, but he particularly enjoys working with children. Additionally, Nevus's favorite food is bacon.


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Where To Store What In the Refrigerator
Fall 2010 Kitchen Cure
Many of us have been cleaning the fridge this week as part of the Kitchen Cure.
Do you have a system for deciding what goes where? A little knowledge about the different temperature zones in your refrigerator can help.
Refrigerators vary, so ultimately you'll want to assess the design and temperature of your own particular model, but these are some general guidelines:
The door
This is the warmest part of the fridge and subject to the most temperature fluctuations, so avoid storing highly perishable foods on the door. Even though many refrigerator doors have an egg compartment, it's generally not a good idea to store eggs there; keep them in the carton on a shelf, instead. Condiments and other well-preserved foods are generally fine on the door.
Upper shelves
Upper shelves are usually constant in temperature. Use them for dairy products, drinks, containers of leftovers, and anything you want to be able to see first when you open the fridge, such as healthy snacks!
Bottom shelf
This is often the coldest spot in the fridge. It's a good place to store meat, fish, and eggs. (There's also a health advantage to storing meat here.)
Crisper drawers
Some refrigerators advertise humidity features, and how well those actually work depends on the model. Drawers do tend to retain some moisture, though, which is good for produce. If you have multiple drawers, use them to separate ethylene producing fruits and vegetables from sensitive ones, or organize for food safety and designate one drawer for produce and another for meat.
On top of the fridge
If the top of the fridge is warm, avoid storing food here. You might use the space for small appliances, cookbooks, or other items. (See What's On Top of Your Fridge? for more ideas.)
Is this how you organize your refrigerator? Or is there a different system that works better for you?
Related: How To: Organize Your Fridge
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I store cereal, sugar and other dry goods up there, nice and cozy :)
A friend of mine gave me a nice tip. If you have a vegetable drawer which is adjustable for humidity, set it on low for the produce with thicker skins and then create microclimates with bags for the greens.
I wish they would design fridge interiors with temperatures and food safety in mind.
Meat should go on the bottom most shelf, but then the crisper drawer full of vegetables is right below that? No, no, no.
In my old, outdated fridge, that drawer isn't well sealed, and juices have managed to drip there way down there due to my poor wrapping judgement on a couple occasions.
Any remembrance of middle school science will lead you to the (correct) conclusion that the permeability of gasses makes the idea of separating ethylene producing and ethylene sensitive items in the same space (a refrigerator) a bit silly. Don't store apples and carrots in the fridge at the same time. Period.
We have fake foliage (fauxliage? LOL) on top of ours, I'm not allowed to put anything up there.
I have a tip for those of you worried about meat juices dripping everywhere in your fridge. If you have just purchased a shallow plastic shoebox to store pantry items in, it probably came with a lid that won't fit over your taller items. I repurposed my plastic lid to sit in the fridge and hold whatever meat is currently defrosting- keeps juices from running all over, doesn't take up much room and can just be tossed in the dishwasher when it does get messy.
Hm, interesting, Killdeer Farm. I knew about the potato and onion situation, but not the carrot and apple one. There is more produce storage advice here:
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Hmm, our general way of storing things in the fridge is to cram it totally full of as much vegetable produce as we can, and then leave the rest out in the garage as it won't fit. Not ideal, but we need a much bigger fridge - and we already have a tall one, not just an undercounter. I'd love one of the american-style-could-practically-live-inside-this fridges.


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The Pinal County Sheriff's Office responded to a 911 call from a female who stated she had shot somebody because she was being stabbed.
According to Pinal County Sheriff's Office spokesman Tim Gaffney, deputies arrived at the residence in the 800 block of Evergreen Road in Oracle.
Deputies searched the residence for the shooting victim and discovered both the adult female victim the woman they describe as the shooter in the dining room.
The victim was lying on her back and the other woman was kneeling over her.
The victim was given CPR by deputies until medical personnel arrived at the home and took over. The victim was pronounced deceased a short time later.
The other woman was identified as Leanor Guitard, 55.
Deputies seized a .357 Smith and Wesson revolver which they say Guitard used to shoot the victim.
According to the Sheriff's office, Guitard told deputies the victim was breaking into Guitard's house and she allegedly shot her. Guitard also told deputies that the victim was beating her, and that they were friends.
Guitard did not have any signs of physical injuries nor were any knives found around the victim, according to authorities.
Guitard was booked into the Pinal County Jail and faces one count of negligent homicide.
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Charming setting with quite rustic approach to food and service. bright and airy conservatory restaurant with efficient friendly staff. goats cheese starter did exactly what it said on the tin. Main course not so good, rib of beef on menu description and unfortunately recieved silverside. Gravy lacked any real flavour or depth. Vegetables and potatoes had no textures and appeared bland. Tirimasu was pleasant but sadly did not included any alcoholic kick, which personally for me makes this dessert. Would i go back or recommend?? probably not.
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