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Crap. You are officially a conservative now. Who are we going to argue with?
Remember, if you think unemployment checks tempt one to stay unemployed, imagine food stamps? Now we are talking some cash. And now the incentive is have more kids as well!
Rutherford, I went an Illinois SNAP calculator and played with numbers. I promise you that more money is awaiting you guys.
I got as far as Benghazi and that paragraph filled me with rage making rational thought difficult. I have some experience with such things, and it still affects my emotions.
HOW DARE YOU USE QUOTATION MARKS!?? As you wrote, do the Democrats and press not understand the difference between four dead Americans and other injured and people dying in traffic accidents ? Those men died because our own government put them in a dangerous position and lied about it. Hillary even lied to a surviving family.
That paragraph refers to some of most sick and perverted minds I have seen on the internet or in print. The Democratic press used Bridge Gate because it was all they had. They don't care.
You might check NewsBusters "Bob Kerry Calls Obama a Delusional Liar, Renders Himself MSM Nonperson." He wasn't referring to the Benghazi SCANDAL, not "scandal", but his description of Obama and fellow Democrats does apply to Benghazi,
Another telling feature of our world is that the story appeared in the Daily Mail.
May be duplicate comment. Prior did not post.
Ran across this earlier tonight. Thought James might appreciate it.
The question that remains is, are liberals well-meaning in this obfuscation or actually more odious than the "cold-hearted conservatives" whom they regularly attack?
Let me ask you a fair question, Mr. Rutherford. Forget minorities for one moment. I want to talk about these so called heart filled limousine liberals always marketing themselves 'for the poor.' If you haven't noticed over the years, you and I have been pretty much a constant – friends of a sort; we've both gone overboard in the heat of the moment to be sure and I have partial regrets over that causing an indelible stain on the relationship – passion does that unfortunately. But…
Does it ever make you stop to think about a few things I've pointed out over the years about some of the white brethren of your political persuasion who have appeared here?
To refresh your memory about one Graychin. How many times did Graychin refer to me as racist because I pointed out violent black crime statistics or black & Hispanic out-of-wedlock birth? How many times did Graychin call me an Islamophobe because I dared to point out acts of terrorism in the name of Allah? Called me a bigot because I dared to be of the opinion not all cultures equal in virtue and value?
And yet, here's a man that lives in a community with exactly zero black faces – gated communities where the closest minority are the Mexicans that mow the lawn and cook his Friday Night meals at El Bueno? Not a black face in the entire zipcode.
Does it ever give you pause that maybe as an educated black man with an Ivy League degree, you're still naive enough to believe the smoke and mirror routine about the "Left White's" real compassion about minority in this country?
What's so compassionate about never providing an out, by providing just enough subsistence to create a dependency?
Tell me. What exactly have these white liberals and academicians done to improve the lot of black America – besides telling the race hustlers what they want to hear and enriching them?
What has Barack Obama really done? Does his simply being half black excuse his failures? Or does it make you angry to be lied to, no matter the efficacy of melatonin?
I'm really serious about this. Give it some thought.
I already did my part for Scandinavia. Tough job, but someone had to do it.
Nice, thoughtful post, Rutherford. Accept my apology for previous chides.
regards: Better Scandal. A very negative concept, leading to nowhere. Cutting down your opponent does not make you taller, and real leadership does not engage in a race to the bottom. Your country's real problem is a lack of moral integrity in its politicians and news organizations – although most are not as bad as Newscorp and its bastard offspring, Fox News, one of AU's most damaging exports. See noblesse oblige:
or another word might be "duty."
regards: "drag" – periods of bad luck happen to us all, and some end up on public assistance. It is a perfect time for the government to engage in some good works: If they create jobs for the unemployed, make half of the workday dedicated to retraining – and not in social science, psychology or "counselling." HVAC, bricklaying, electrician's helper, electrician, drywall, carpenter. Doubt "community organizer" would qualify.
regards: Jim Crow – agree, but in US, criminal sentences are extremely long and could be reduced because the expense is enormous. In US in 1800's a long sentence would be four years. Any longer and they just hanged you.
You touched nicely on "root causes." Changing evanescent things like culture is very hard, but failing that, the rest doesn't matter. Long sentences, harsh penalties, death penalty don't fix the problem, because unless the culture in some of these areas is changed, the next generation is going to make exactly the same mistakes again. It takes real leaders. MLK Jr had what it takes and minced no words about bastardy, "living in sin," having high standards for oneself, obligation to honor one's parents, etc. The whiteys that cheered his demise were fools. They are now reaping the rewards of his assassination.
"It takes real leaders. MLK Jr had what it takes and minced no words about bastardy, "living in sin," having high standards for oneself, obligation to honor one's parents, etc." -Pfarker
Spoken by the man that almost daily mocks the blue print MLK got his standards from.
Laughable, mate.
"God is a fairy tale and Christian morality is prudish". Followed by "the demise of this country is fading belief in Christian morality".
Celebrating the irony of religion by way of Celtic Pagan Solstice Parties might be fun but it doesn't replace the hole you dug.
Impossible to square oneself without a level.
I like it Parker. Good work dead rabbit. The world needs more Scandinavians.
I'm checking out for now. The Sprint Cup race is on and Jimmy Johnson is leading,
Huck's right. Modern liberalism requires the victim and an oppressor. Victimization and redistribution is what makes liberals feel benevolent protectors as well.
"This is never going to happen, because, quite simply, liberals WANT people to be dependent on them." -Hucking
I don't think its true of liberals. Most liberals either are liberal because of shallow reasons (its really unhip not to be) or completely naive how the world really works.
Now liberal politicians? Hucking is dead right. They recruit people for food stamps in Mexico for shit's sake. Liberal politicians live and die on dependency. It's why I loath them from the pit of my stomach and why no liberal will ever have an honest conversation about urban America.
Thanks Rutherford. Yes, I read the rest of what you wrote and agree with much of it, at least partially.
As rabbit wrote, you are sounding more conservative.
Another changeling is France. The FN party is gaining strength and shifting conservative parties a bit further to the right. They are winning elections and say they love Ted Cruse Other movements are gaining strength in several European countries.
Bill Maher exposed several liberals for their hypocracy. He read a quote they interpreted to be racist because Maher said Paul Ryan Then, he sprung his trap. The quote was from Michele Obama. I wish we had cable.
A letter to the editor I wrote is in Vietnam Veterans of America. I nearly threw the magazine away before I saw the letter.
The left is besieged now, and it is a good thing.
Rutherford…..families with a mother and father make up only 8% of food stamp recipients. Single mothers make up 42 percent of all food stamp families.
For the sake of argument, I will just accept your GOP comment ( you do need to explain yourself more later). Who cares?
Democrats need personal dependency and that destroys families and leaves thousands of kids shot dead every year. It also skews elections and creates situations where people vote for free stuff.
An informed and free people have the power to destroy lobby groups and oligarchy. Even the "Military Industrial Complex". The Military Industrial Complex doesn't vote. People do.
Can big business pour money into elections and skew things? Yes. But, considering the entire country is linked up via social networks, each one of us now a media conglomerate and have the power of information at our finger tips, nothing should be able to stop free people with morals. Nothing.
Free people with family values are the enemy of liberal politicians.
I don't care if Wallmart is the GOP (look at their lobby record by the way….warm and toasty when it comes to dependency). Shit don't compare to the destruction and misery progressives have brought upon this country.
Liberalism is a cancer. Its the dark side of the force. And you even feel it's magnetic pull as that voice in your head says why should she take that job. I've been there myself.
"GOP POLITICIANS want corporations and the military industrial complex dependent on them."
I can't let it go. Of course the military is dependent on government? Wtf?
As for corporations, both sides compete for the money. More like the other way around….people running for office tend to be dependent on corporations.
As for the GOP wanting business dependent on them….that's a weird thing to say. Business funds the government. Its where all our stuff comes from.
If you think a man running a business who wants the government to stay out of his way is seeking "dependence" when he hopes for that liberty then you have a very odd interpretation of the word.
Nah man….your throwing smoke bombs.
Liberal politicians killed the family and survive on the dependent and victim class. Make more victims. Make more dependent people. Win more elections.
Bears repeating the scorecard:
The Bush administration task force "obtained over 1,300 corporate fraud convictions, including those of over 130 corporate vice presidents and over 200 CEOs and corporate presidents."
"Clinton's DOJ prosecuted over 1,800 S&L (savings and loans) executives, senior officials, and directors, and over 1,000 of them were sent to jail."
But despite having "promised more of the same," especially in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis, the Obama administration's DOJ has not brought criminal charges against a single major Wall Street executive.
That head is still deep in the sand.
P.S. Mr. Rutherford.
Don't you epitomize one of the many perceived problems with Obamacare as enrollee? Its basic premise is that the young and healthy would subsidize the new system to make it both affordable and cheaper in the aggregate
How do you and your wife make it either?
Yes, hard-working families survive on food stamps, and some are traditional two-parent families. Many are not.
How did they get that way? They made bad choices. They didn't study in school, and they did not prepare themselves with the skills they need to earn a middle class income. Some have bad habits or they don't manage their money well. As a result, they are not asset producers as businesses are. They are dependents, and as such they must survive on what the government gives them.
They are natural pets of whichever political party promises more. Therefore, Democrats need them to stay in office. Of course, my description doesn't apply to everyone. Many people are in their positions because of bad luck or location, but I know people as I described, and they surely are not unique.
Our son and his well-paid fellow computer workers in Silicon Valley discuss politics. He has noticed they agree with many conservative principles, while still voting Democratic. They cannot defend many Democratic policies because they are ignorant and have internalized their political allegiance. Low information voters is another term for ignorant voters.
Vallery Jarret said in an interview that the administration has been asking entertainment writers, actors, sports figures etc. to insert administration policy ads in their shows. For example, Grey's Anatomy which our daughter likes, had a sick man who's girl friend said he should have sought treatment sooner. He replied "that was before ObamaCare." Rachael Ray apparently shilled for ObamaCare and created a mini back lash.
The administration is using entertainment because it knows many of its constituents are ignorant.
Businesses also get subsidies from the government, but Democrats are more interested in ignorant voters because they outnumber business executives.
Tex @ #325 – The ACA was also supposed to insure the uninsured.
Because you and me were living like kings.
Rutherford, please read "US consulate attack in Benghazi: a challenge to official version of events" by Chris Stephen of the Guardian. Monday September 9, 2013.
So far, about 4 of every 5 people enrolling have qualified for tax credits to reduce the cost of their premiums.
Yep, Muffy. Living like kings and queens, we are. Those tax credits must be another of those "free things" libs are always talking about.
We may be old, but we ain't dumb. Speaking of rigged like we have many a time before…did you see this?
The one thing it doesn't provide is names. I would be very interested in who benefited..
It depends on one's definition of evil.
The liberals I met during the Vietnam war were self absorbed with little concern for human life out side of their chosen affiliates. I thought I was sick to believe they were evil and over time associated with liberals to change my mind.
Many liberals are nice people, but a percentage represented by some on the other site fit my definition of evil. Some may believe they are doing the right thing, but when the results kill or otherwise hurt people good intentions are not enough to make them good people. I relearned a truth they taught me when I stepped off the plane in April, 1970.
Rutherford there are two kinds of people that watch MSNBC. People who want to hear non-stop judgmental carping about their political opponents because it makes them feel better about themselves. And people who want to know what the morons over at MSNBC are yammering about now.
I can't help it if libs are everything they say they hate.
PS…the jury is out implies that such a thing is knowable, but hasn't been decided yet. It does NOT mean that you realize that you can't judge motives, only actions. I know you think that you can, or you'd probably stop worrying about them.
But for a lib to stop worrying about motives is a direct violation of about half the rules for libtardom right there.
Democrats are so vile, they think unleashing illegal alien criminals on us is a smart political calculation. I despise liberalism .
A nurse revealed an ugly secret when Obama was an Illinois state senator. Aborted babies which survived the procedure were left in corners to die. Legislation was proposed to deal with the situation, and Obama was one of the most vocal and mostly the only person to oppose the legislation.
"The world was on fire and no one could save me but you
Its strange what desire will make foolish people do…
What a wicked game to play, to make me feel this way
What a wicked thing to say, you never felt this way."
Chris Isaak "Wicked Game."
Rutherford, "Cia officer confirmed no protests before misleading Benghazi account given" The Washington Times Monday March 31, 2014.
Seriously dude…what difference at this point does it make?
Besides slamming Rutherford for abject ignorance? Not much I can see. However, I'm still going to keep reminding these self-identifying rubes who put Obama in office just how wrong they were twice. Obama is no mediocre President. He's the sorriest excuse for President this country has ever seen. A rank joke.
"The obvious attempt of the network to discredit Hillary's only real opposition was transparent — and disappointing to me, a long time fan of the network for their left-leaning but fair reporting." – R
And in just three words the credibility disintegrates. MSDNC is many things, but fair, balanced or legitimate it is not.
The rest of this is interesting and mildly surprising considering the source. Talk is cheap though. If this is what you believe and espouse, then what are you going to do about it?
So Rutherford, you in the end zone spiking the football with President Obama over the success of Obamacare?
Huge success. You should write a blog on it.
Ha ha.
The law did not require doctors who perform abortions to care for those who survived. Instead, the law required that a second doctor be present at the abortion to provide such care if the abortionist determined beforehand that the fetus was "viable." Thus, the law provided little protection for those who were not deemed "viable" in the "judgment" of the abortionist. Consequently, aborted infants in Illinois sometimes lived for hours after birth while being abandoned to die without any care or comfort provided to them.
All of the legislation in question was applicable to humans who are "born alive" after "complete expulsion or extraction" from their mothers. Hence, these are not fetuses but newborns. Notice in the following statement about this issue how the Royal College of Obstetricians uses the word "fetus" before birth and the word "baby" afterwards:
If the fetus has had a lethal injection, it will normally die. However, there are some instances when there are signs of life at birth. All babies must be treated with dignity and respect. Palliative care should be provided till the baby dies where relevant.
In sum, Obama voted against three bills stating that anyone "born alive at any stage of development" is considered a "person" under Illinois state law including those born as a result of "abortion." He did this in the face of sworn testimony from Illinois nurses who witnessed aborted newborns living and being neglected for up to eight hours after birth. These are the straightforward and unadorned facts of the matter.
"Obama's critics are free to speculate on his motives for voting against the bills, and postulate a lack of concern for babies' welfare. But his stated reasons for opposing "born-alive" bills have to do with preserving abortion rights, a position he is known to support and has never hidden.
– by Jess Henig"
"While we don't have a record of Obama's 2003 comments on SB 1082, he did express his objection to the 2001 and 2002 bills.
Obama, Senate floor, 2002: [A]dding a – an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. … I think it's important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.
Obama, Senate floor, 2001: Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we're really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – a child, a nine-month-old – child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute."
Sorry. Not feeling much introspection from R here. Seems more admitting, or, more accurately readmitting, some of the flawed logic and unhelpful caricatures of the left that we've seen already (while renewing others).
Maybe I expected too much in thinking of a reexamination of the proper role of government or political philosophy — or hell, an examination of it at all.
JAL – The only one I see speculating on motives here with regard to the babies-not-babies dying in the corner is Rutherford. James just said that Obama opposed the law, which he did.
No abortion shall be performed or induced when the fetus is viable unless there is in attendance a physician other than the physician performing or inducing the abortion who shall take control of and provide immediate medical care for any child born alive as a result of the abortion.
Obama's perspective is essentially the same as Dr. Gosnell's. The Gosnell defense hinged upon the witnesses to the babies-not-babies out of the womb, and only one of the many witnesses was a doctor. By design. This law would have put a second doctor in the room.
Doctors are frequently called to the stand to give expert testimony….
Sorry R. Just callin' likes I sees them. And no, I didn't come in expecting to be disappointed in the least.
It would help if the discussion had more analysis.
For example, "I am pretty sure that many economists agree that a little debt is actually GOOD for a country while it may not be good for a family."
What do you mean by this, especially when we're dealing trillions? What debt? Is all debt "GOOD" for the country? If so, how? What are you advocating?
I see that you claim conservatives as oversimplifying something, then don't address it. Rather, you take the oversimplified analogy and apply it to a stereotype as though saying something about what the left perceives as a protected class must count for something.
"Second, if you really think Rabbit (or any of you really) wanted ACA to work you're fooling yourself. All of you have been actively rooting against the law since its inception."
Damn right we were because it can't "work."
Your concept of "working" is itself the problem. Or are you still clinging to the free lunch Obama promised?
You should be horrified that Obama is claiming it as a success with a totally made up 7.1 million figure to boot. how that doesn't bother you mystifies me.
Not really. The truth is you'll root for it no matter how much of a failure it is or how many people it hurts.
The ease with which leftists, especially Obama and his groupies, lie is mind boggling. I knew the ACA claims today were a mountain of dung. Little did I know it was reaching to the heights of Everest…
If you apply that math to the RAND figures, you get this: of the people who have paid their first month's premium on the Obamacare exchanges, and are thereby enrolled in coverage, 76 percent were previously insured, and 24 percent were previously uninsured.
RAND: Only One-Third Of Obamacare Exchange Sign-Ups Were From The Previously Uninsured
I think this April Fool's propaganda/lie orchestration is going to back fire badly this time.
Sure, President Obama desperately relies on an ignorant population. And sure, bull shit like yesterday works for guys like Rutherford, incapable at even seeing that while he counts as one of the 7 million, he is actually fucking anti-matter for the government scheme. He might make a great stat for an afternoon lie, but Rutherford tallies not Plus 1, but minus 20.
"Yeah…..I got Obamacare bitches!"
Yeah! Death spiral bitches.
There are too many on the losing end of this scheme. At the very least, good socialism is able to create a situation where it is perceived that more winners are created then losers before it's inevitable demise a generation or two later. Obamacare doesn't do that.
It's not just socialism. Its very, very bad socialism.
Obama's normal lie strategy wont work. It is an absolute torpedo into the side of the middle class and a toothless joke for the lower class.
Jay Carney should quit right now. Even the state media will be forced to question that insulting garbage they pretended was some sort of victory for the American people.
Women can't be so helpless and dependent that free birth control is all it takes for them to salute the asshole liars on the quarterdeck and come aboard a ship that is sinking in port, can they?
Ha Ha Huck.
Thanks Muffy. I didn't have time to write anything beyond memory . As Lurker wrote this was as much about abortion as it was live births
..Obama's views are public record as noted. He either didn't think or care about the implications, or he is so callous that he, not I needs to talk to someone.
I for one knew the ACA law would fail because I read the bill I also heard our Senator Tom Harkin and also Obama say that this was part of the road to single payer insurance. It would take ten or twenty years to achieve.
Ezekial Immanuel one of the designers, said it was fair to neglect old and very sick people in favor of younger and healthier patients because the discriminated against were once young and healthy. Obama also said it might be better for an old person to take a pill than to get full treatment.
I also knew about the British and Canadian systems which have problems.
Our daughter and her co- workers will pay an extra $5,000. this year, and she may not be able to keep her insurance. Obama and the Democrats lied to us, and they are lying now. Their enrolement figures are suspicious, and include other than first time insurance purchasers. Many people are suffering for the good of a relatively few.
This bloated monstrosity will add to our deficite as the CBO estimated, and it will hurt full-time job creation. Why would one not oppose such a law? We didn't hope it would fail, we knew it would fail.
By the way, I can not believe the new all time low that was set between a president and his people on April Fools afternoon.
Maybe I'm being silly, but considering that was one of the most brazen acts of arrogance in terms of propaganda I have ever seen, I can't believe they chose April Fools Day to do it.
You know there was a discussion about that.
My only guess is they wanted to get the lies out before the backlash is unleashed today. With some of the respected studies looming, its better to just lie to the people now in the hope Johnny Ignorance goes back to his life convinced everything is OK because dear leader told him it is. Health Insurance is boring as fuck after all.
Well said, my man….
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I read that the 7 million number is based on total enrolled. That can't be true can it? They count dependents in that number?
If so….if you subtract the Rutherford's, who come on board with expensive preexisting conditions, the kids who generate nothing to support the scheme, the people who didn't get to keep their insurance and the people who never made a payment…..seriously….what are we left with?
No wonder the rest of us are getting screwed so bad. This is very inefficient communism.
This really is a trap set to hurt people with a goal of single payer. Liars.
I despise lying liberals. And all of them are.
Rutherford cares more about us wanting to be correct then the fact we are correct.
Sucks living in the crystal ball of a conservative alarmist back in 2008.
Again, Rabbit, wait until the policies purchased through the exchange reflect the reality of the enrollment. Holy shit. We'll never hear from Rutherford again.
(well, we'll probably never hear from him after the midterms anyway. It's always been about cheerleading and affirmation not politics or policy).
"I have not paid the first premium because I haven't been billed'. -R
Well….we have…..your welcome.
"Without even counting yesterday, Barack Obama has lied so much I don't know how anyone can believe a word the man says." -Hucking
Yesterday was a whopper though.
"I HAVE heard economists say that some gov debt is good." -R
So is having a glass of red wine a day. What's your point, chowda-head?
Debt is only good, Mr. "R", when the debt borrowed is used to create a rate of return greater than the interest paid on the debt – No matter whether private or public.
Reagan's debt could be argued beneficial because his administration produced $17 trillion of new net worth over eight years accumulating $1.8 trillion in debt – a nice return.
Obama's $7.1 trillion of debt has produced little or nothing except for the very rich, and certainly not enough to offset middle class wage reduction. The aggregate country has actually grown poorer over the last five years.
Now that may seem unfair on my behalf, but I would remind you Mr. Reagan also inherited a deep recession. :neutral:
I agree with Rutherford. I don't remember where I heard it, but I know some economists think a little debt is good. That doesn't apply now. We have much more than a little debt.
Our daughter had no voice in the debate because Democrats railroaded and lied about ObamaCare. Shared sacrifice should be agreed through debate and votes. That didn't happen.
Thus, our daughter will have to pay $5,000 extra for the same insurance policy she has had since she began working for the small company If we weren't available to help for our grand daughter, the parents would be paying an extra $6,000.00 for child care.
Your shared sacrifice is a good way to look at it except for one thing. Shared sacrifice implies mutual agreements or at least some contrary discussion. Such sharing is accepted when people buy insurance policies. This is different. ObamaCare is closer to theft.
"Hey you know what Tigre, fuck you."
I'll accept that. I like to see you're at least minutely engaged in something I've said.
If you're upset about my comments concerning your soon to be ballooning premiums and deductibles, I recall the sympathy lavished on me when I told you about the whooping increase I just dropped on me and my family. The one you now think is "subsidized" and apparently not the fault of Obamacare.
R, you're fucked on with Obamacare. You need to be concerned. . . very concerned. . . and not exclaiming "I just got covered, BITCHES!!!"
If you're upset about my cheerleading comment, please prove me wrong. I ain't looking for footnotes or a thesis. Just reasoned and informed comments — particularly when you accuse your own customers of rooting for Obamacare to fail for political gain rather than its effect when it appears the opposite is true with respect to you. Introspection requires some looking within.
Stated differently, I'm rooting for you to have an epiphany. You need a good epiphany. The fruits of your political bent have met their day of reckoning, and it ain't good.
"If you don't want shared burden in society get off the grid, grow your own food, and heal thyself when you get sick."
I have a better idea. Two political parties – two publics. You share the sacrifice with yours, I'll share the sacrifice with mine. That way you won't have to be burdened with accepting the sacrifice of racist, women-hating mean cold hearted people who have car elevators and put their dogs on top of their cars. And obstruct things.
With Obama & Biden at the helm, every day is April Fool's Day.
And Ground Hog Day…every day, a repeat of the horror of gross incompetence.
"And…bend over, it's Valentine's Day!"-Muffy
Lol….That cracked me up. Come on Muffy….Valentine's day is supposed to be romantic.
Do you offer assistance to non-members that haven't signed up for AAA?
They will if someone else has a card. Meaning, you can use your road service insurance for anyone….a stranger even.
Rutherford – good article in Forbes explaining Bitcoin to the 76% who don't have a clue about it.
They math is beyond your posters and is irrelevant. That's not the real story. The real magic behind any cryptocurrency is its ability to act as a financial lubricant, eliminating for all practical purposes the "friction" inherent in financial transactions. And friction is a good term for it – no matter which way the money transfers, a fraction goes to fuel the system that makes the transfers possible – think credit card companies, banks. Think The Goldman Sachs.
No more.
Electronic currency is as disruptive to the fat cat bankers and financial houses as Lutheranism was to the Catholic church, and for precisely the same reason: it eliminates the need for a "middle-man" between the players – be they priests or, in cryptocurrency's case – credit card companies, banks, governments. You can see why they hate it so vehemently: it makes their existence irrelevant, at least financially speaking. You want to deal with your trading partner – or your gods – you can do it directly, without the broker in the middle handling the technical stuff.
This technology will come. It may be Bitcoin; it may be something else; but it will come. And the really exciting part is that, more than any development in the past 1000 years, it has the ability to nearly eliminate poverty – by eliminating governmental manipulation of the fruits of people's work.
They math is beyond your posters and is irrelevant.
We can put that to the test if you like. LOL. For one thing, deductive reasoning seems to be beyond you. Something simple like – where there's a creation (universe), there's a Creator.
P.S. – Nothing will eliminate poverty. Guaranteed. Barnum was right…
Speaking of deductive reasoning…here's something I've suspected for a long time from simple observation. Bring on the meat…Hooray!
A new study from the Medical University of Graz in Austria finds that vegetarians are more physically active, drink less alcohol and smoke less tobacco than those who consume meat in their diets. Vegetarians also have a higher socioeconomic status and a lower body mass index. But the vegetarian diet — characterized by a low consumption of saturated fats and cholesterol that includes increased intake of fruits, vegetables and whole-grain products — carries elevated risks of cancer, allergies and mental health disorders.
Vegetarians were twice as likely to have allergies, a 50 percent increase in heart attacks and a 50 percent increase in incidences of cancer.
A survey conducted by the American Health Institute shows the average company of a thousand or more employees will spend up to an average of $5,000 per employee on ObamaCare. This may signal the end of company-provided health insurance.
Heck of a job.
Two of my mother's cousins were Seventh Day Adventist vegetarians. Both had gall bladder surgery.
Isn't the EPA another example of evil people?
"I agree with Rutherford. I don't remember where I heard it, but I know some economists think a little debt is good."
James, I don't know what you're agreeing with Rutherford about. Some debt is good for a family too depending on the type and purpose of the debt. An affordable mortgage would be an example. A vacation would not. On a national or international level, I can see some good reasons to have debt — none of which apply to the metaphor Rutherford scoffs at.
I don't know why this concept of debt is so difficult for Ivy Leagues and other pointy heads to understand.
Tigre's analogy is a good one.
Most of us take on debt with a mortgage because we believe two things whether we recognize it, or not – assuming we weren't trust fund babies. We're making the assumption that the house will hold its value compared to inflation; that our savings could be used elsewhere to bring a higher rate of return than our mortgage rate; or, that it's more economically beneficial to own and build equity rather than to rent.
When you consider America's biggest line item expense when extrapolated out a few years will be "INTEREST PAID", the only explanation I can hypothesize in citizens not screaming from the rooftops about gross mismanagement and overspending, is that they are mostly stupid and unteachable, or so apathetic and without hope to be useless.
I've got three friends (and their wives) as we speak in Panama right now listening to sales pitches from the economically literate why it might be best to forgo their U.S. Citizenship and move their interests to Panama.
From strictly a capital retention viewpoint, it's a no brainer for them to go.
How did we get to this point where many of America's brightest are actually giving serious thought to leaving the land of the free? That's the question all of us ought to be asking ourselves. I'd be curious to what liberals like "R" and "Just a Lurker", the only libs left with the guts to take the heat here, think of that. And I don't mean that as insult but as how they arrive at the conclusion America's best days are ahead of us…
el tigre, I was agreeing with Rutherford that debt is sometimes not harmful, but I also wrote that we are beyond that point. I was ignoring Rutherford's metaphor.
Tex, I represent some uber-wealthy (some with assets exceeding $100 million). Capital flight is real, not hypothetical. Why the left thinks confiscation is the only means to tap the resource for societal benefit is due entirely to its economic illiteracy — and of course class-envy/guilt.
The depths of ignorance in the lefty's concept that "coming from the government" = free (or alternatively, if it comes from one's own employer it's a "subsidized") is maddening. It leads to statements like, "economists agree that some debt is a GOOD thing," without for a moment asking oneself, "what about the unpaid debt we've already incurred? Am I to believe that heaping debt upon debt is a good thing base on some platitude I heard somewhere the origins or context I don't understand?" Sophistry always picks it up from there.
And that is how Obama has the temerity to offer his childish statements that Ryan's proposed budget as a "stinkburger" and a "meanwich." Comments fit for a 5 years old — which is how he views his mindless adherents.
Here's something I would like R to think consider in his reevaluation of what makes people tick:
I grew up very modestly. I have extraordinarily wealthy clients that have had en entirely different and privileged existence than myself, Some earned it, others not. I don't resent them nor do I have to resist the temptation to.
Here's what I see:
MOST wealthy folks do, in fact, work very, very hard.
MOST wealthy folks did not acquire their wealth by talking it from someone else.
MOST wealthy folks care a lot about other people.
MOST wealthy folks don't turn their noses up at those that don't have their resources.
MOST wealthy folks are very charitable and feel a great sense of satisfaction from lending a hand up.
MOST wealthy folks want to see others succeed.
MOST wealthy folks are good people with good hearts.
I know that he typical liberal, who is tirelessly pressed to believe the exact opposite, is dead wrong.
I wonder if R would give some thought to why that is in any respect; be it how I am wrong, why he agrees but holds the views of economics he does (e.g. "forced charity" as he puts it) or how the politics of his party see and insist that are so different from what I observe.
Can't we just blame the shooter for one day?
Alfie and Stinky are the same person. I'm sure of it.
I had Stinky pegged for R's alter ego.
Lol. True.
Muffy, you have a special wit.
Well hell, all of the regulars and even the host do too. But you play harder than the boys. That's cool.
Interesting, Gorilla. I would like to think Rutherford is in the beginnings of a personal epiphany of sorts. Indoctrination without exposure to truth from a young age would surely be difficult to overcome.
But I also want to believe Mr. Rutherford smart enough to recognize what is becoming all too obvious – simple observations like outcome based results?
Anyone read about the Mozilla Executive who was forced to resign because he dared have a different viewpoint about marriage – an opinion that ten years would not even have been questioned – the same one Obama campaigned as believing too as recently as 2008?
Still think it's us Christians that demand a 'theocracy' and are the tyrants, Rutherford? Ask Anita Bryant…
Rutherford – There's a good article in Forbes that describes your POV perfectly, and why the nutty Right in America is completely unable (thank the gods) to convert its culture war into votes.
on another point: @103 – I also have some experience with high-net-worth individuals, and in my experience every line is correct. The undergrads at my B-school bathed in the socialist foolishness and believed every word of it. But what they could never wrap their brains around was that the money they want to redistribute must be created – yes created, not just printed – and it is the productive people who create it. Read that "wealthy." And when you attack them from every direction, they just fold up like a flower and take their money elsewhere.
It's called synergism. It is in the parasite's best interest to keep the host healthy, for when the parasite kills the host, the parasite dies, too.
Anita gets pied.
I never much agreed with her shove-my-opinion-on-you attitude, but the Lady showed style with her comment: "At least it was a fruit pie." LOL
104 forced charity is robbery at gun point.
115 Human-caused global warming skeptics are also victims of the same liberal theocratic thinking,
There's one facet of your personality that you don't recognize in your profound arrogance, because you always think that vast superior intellect of yours makes you the most interesting man in the world – even when this white piece of trash can make you a bumbling idiot seeking help from the FBI.
So because you have this blind spot and being a good Christian man that I am, I want to help you out before it's too late.
Man, nobody likes you. :smile:
Why would you even say something like that?
You know who would have stepped in front of that bullet to save your ass? G.
Just heard it wasn't traumatic head trauma…or even PTSD related.
Sounds to me like a "disagreement." We can still rag on Obama about the failed economy – abysmal numbers once again. I guess Obama can brag that the economy has added 323,000 'food service jobs' during this tenure – most part time.
Draft? What service are you going to provide, "R"? You could work with war hero Graychin and his made up medals? :smile:
"Well I'm guessing G is disappointed that Fort Hood Shooter Redux turned out not to be Muslim. Would have been another nice pin in the Obama antiterrorism balloon.
Oh well. Can't win 'em all." Rutherford
Personally, I fully admit that I rather it be the attack of an enemy instead of an inside job by a treasonous pussy who couldn't handle life. (The last attack wasn't an inside job…it was well known dude was a radical stink beard).
While I know that the war takes a toll, I feel the need to point out that the majority of combat vets are NOT mentally defective. Repeat. The majority of combat vets are NOT mentally ill.
My brother had to explain away his service for 20 minutes once in an interview. Hell…I was hired under the promise that I wouldn't "recruit" kids.
The minority of mentally ill soldiers mixed with the notion by well meaning libs that every vet is in dire need of help before he hurts himself or someone else, sucks.
Fact of the matter is that an amazing amount of people are able to keep the fort down after a traumatic experience, whether from a combat zone or a car accident. Do they lose sleep at night? Fuck yeah they do. And then get up and be good men
Conceal Carry…..ridiculous you can't on a base.
Some people are calling for all military personnel to be locked and loaded. Not needed. Most aren't combat trained (contrary to how many vets portray themselves).
Gorillia might chew me out on this one, but my (limited) combat training experience has led me to believe it is not the same as civilian and police training in terms of gun safety/procedure. Hell…even the standard "wedge" formation while on patrol goes against gun safety 101 requirements.
But, there is no reason a solider shouldn't be able to make the CHOICE to conceal carry on base. In this regard, he carries with the mindset of a civilian…aware of all the laws and responsibilities that come with making the decision. So stupid someone wasn't armed to stop that piece of shit earlier.
Rutherford the ultimate chicken hawk, calling for a draft when he has no son and can't pick up a sack of potatoes.
"Don't forget rabbit now our daughters could get drafted."
They come for our girls and I know at least 3 Dads that will recreate Ruby Ridge.
Make that 4. I didn't count Tex Taylor.
One more week until I take possession of my dooms day preper cabin!
"BTW without it, it's your boys who will do the fighting, not those of all the noble rich that Tigre lectured me about." -R
Noble rich make noble officers and have for two thousand years, jerk.
" equality is equality" -R
Yeah….equality is equality until a female is all that's left to drag my two hundred plus pound ass out of harms way. Then your equality doesn't feel so fucking liberating.
But it doesn't surprise my of your willingness to give up your only daughter to the blind experiments of the cold and great social laboratory.
Rutherford, you mean the majority of the armed forces represent 90% of the American population? (Or, to be more Occupy like, 99%)?
I am shocked. Dude…you got me.
Despite the numbers…..uh stupidly being in your favor….
Considering the military doesn't take high-school drop outs and led by an officer corps of colleges grads….I promise you there is actually less poor in the military then the general population.
Fly over American and the South? You bet. But dirt poor? Nope….liberal fantasy.
"But that opinion is considered Neanderthal nowadays. Even conservative Muffy would scold me for it." -R
I guess the difference between you and I is I don't give a damn about where my opinion stands with the self appointed arbitrators of discourse. So I draw a line when it comes to things like drafting our mothers and sisters. You worry about what people might think of you and offer your daughter to Ares.
Your main concern seems to be how the shooting reflects on Obama. Not that you've ever defended his drone killing tendencies.
Noble rich?
Read again, man-boy.
You know R, from what I can tell, you are noble rich. Looking for signs of your economic growing up, no evidence around here from what I've seen. Introspection ain't your bag.
"economic adversity"
Rutherford, you do realize while I don't consider you a Neanderthal by any stretch, you do chew around the edges of male feminist – a byproduct of a failing society?
I am convinced of all the following:
Want to help destroy a nation? Emasculate masculinity; blend gender roles; manage by idiocies like 'diversity'; refuse to demand assimilation into a common, proven culture. Current management is facilitating them all.
And these stupid, man haters representing the Democratic Party and found in large numbers in higher ed are cutting the throats of women in the succeeding generations. Feminists don't care about women – they care about self. They use their gender to control, just like Bill Clinton used his gender and position to seduce a star struck, stupid girl named Monica Lewinsky. These misandrists don't do it for sex – they do it for power; they do it for position.
Frankly, Barack Obama is the most cowardly President America has ever had of recent memory. And that is now being demonstrated on the world stage.
Will you be honest enough to admit that Barack Obama's weaknesses are similar to Clinton, but Obama is not nearly as clever as Clinton? Let us be honest, "R?" Barack Obama is an immoral man without a rudder – a flim flam. Every opinion is based on political expediency and self-aggrandizement. I doubt Barack Obama stands for anything but Barack Obama.
Obama is not transparently immoral like 'Parker' but narcissistic like 'Parker' – that's a lethal combination of weak and wicked and that too is a byproduct of why this nation is struggling. When a nation is led by hedonistic lusts, solipsistic and arrogant and these are the features we elect as leaders…
Why are we surprised we are in decline?
And Putin, a man far more clever than I realized until recently, uses these weaknesses to manipulate, even going so far as to use America's now hedonistic culture to his advantage.
To be fair, I have this gut feel that many people calling themselves Christian today are allowing themselves to be hoodwinked by Putin, just like you were hoodwinked by Obama.
Pat Buchanan has an interesting take today about whose side is God on, but Buchanan also eventually gets it wrong about Putin for different reasons.
I promise you that these "feminists", Obama, and even men like Pfesser Parker are tools for evil – too ignorant, blind and arrogant to recognize they are doing their part to destroy. They are weak.
I'm now convinced that America is quickly going to have to change, or it is going to fall…setting the stage for some really horrific times, perhaps in our lifetime.
Is that the world you want to leave to your daughter?
Tex, your last post could be part of a high school commencement speech.
139 I agree with Rutherford. If women are equal citizens, the draft is part of citizenship. Lowering standards so women can serve in certain jobs like combat hurts everyone. I met many women in the service who were strong and capable.
I oppose the draft for one reason. It is unfair. I also agree that the volunteer force diffuses public involvement and concern for our foreign policy which can lead to war.
I will support the draft the day Obama's daughters and the children of other priveleged classes take basic training and are assigned jobs with no consideration of their status in life.
I am old enough to have been drafted and watched the favoritism. One problem with our current system is to save money we have kept our forces smaller than their mission requires. People serve multiple tours in war zones and other difficult areas because we don't have enough soldiers to do it any other way. Stress is one of the results.
The same storm which affected Rutherford gave us three inches of snow and wind early yesterday. We got home last evening, and we still had some patches for skiing. It is 22 this morning. An Omaha television meteorologist plans to stick a fork in an ice cream cake next week–the symbolic end of winter.
The difference between Putin and Obama is striking. Putan came up through the KGB and the Russian political system which could get on killed or imprisoned if bad judgement or bad luck interviened.
Obama was the pampered son of comfort who's mother and father basically abandoned him. He was taught to get along and make as few waves as possible while affirmative action took him to places he didn't really earn. Obama has few core beliefs beyond what is good for Obama and the destruction of what he regards as our colonialist society. He was a rabble rouser, a community organizer with a large cheering section.
Putin is a hard man. Obama is soft.
Rutherford, you do realize that there is law in place that protects women because they are women.
For instance, in terms of lethal force in self defense situation, unarmed women are always deemed less of a threat then unarmed men. Always. Even women who are bigger then a man. That gun better not come out.
Does the military demand the same amount of strength from women in order to serve? Why not?
The bed hasn't been made, as much as you half wits pretend it to be. And you know it.
Its different when a man punches a woman then if a man punches a man. When that changes, and it better not, the bed has been made. And at that moment, your daughter can be drafted.
Sometimes I feel sorry for you (and I am not trying to be a dick here) because your disability robbed you of some of the traditional responsibilities that come with being a man. Its all an abstract for you.
Blaming Obama for anything may be true – he's a pathetic man and easy target married to an entitled hatemonger – Cruella DeVille, raised by an entitled bag. Probably will skin Bo the dog (good gawd, what an ego) for its fur coat.
But it's no different than what you scabs did to George Bush, Rutherford.
"No Muffy I haven't defended Obama's drone killing tendencies."
You just did. You're so defensive about Obama that you went on the offense and stuck up for Obama against an attack that hadn't even been launched on his credibility regarding his war on terror – which largely consists of drone attacks on suspected terrorists and whoever happens to be standing too close to them at the moment of the drone strike. Who else are you defending – the drone?
You also threw in a thinly veiled accusation of Islamaphobia.
I suppose you don't think you support Obama's extreme position on abortion either.
Life is unfair through perversity and chance. The draft is unfair through design.
We lived in tents in the wilderness during field training which was mostly construction work since the field training site was new and not finished.. Female medics trained as we did except that they didn't .
While we slept in our double person tents on hot sand, the women returned to their rooms on the base at night. They did build a token tent which men helped raise when they had trouble.
We all punched in our resume lines and prepared for the next challenge, but to me the women's meant less than ours.They were tough enough to do what we did, but they didn't.
(Tex, yes, kids thrive under the roofs of present and engaged fathers and strong mothers.)
R, I understand the reaction, but you unwittingly made DR's point.
You poor thing, poolman. How do you suffer the chill so? You sound like our son in California when he jokes he had to wear a jacket to withstand the chill,.
I agree about the draft. We don't need large armies as we once did, though ours now is stretched too thin for what we ask of it.
Not much changes. Liberals as a group hate the military and come close to believing entering the service is a sign of a mental disorder. Years ago, they marginalized soldiers and veterans with the fear they were dangerous damaged goods to justify their own hatred of the system which used them.
Employers were afraid to hire veterans.PTSD was a theme of seventies and early eighties movies and television shows not to foster help, but to paint veterans as potentially violent people who were inferior to the majority who escaped serving.
Attacking the military is less politically correct now, but those people still use the blood of anyone, including soldiers to further their agendas. Once you accept that premise you understand why liberals are evil people.
My family taught me how to be a man, and ancient history confirmed their teachings. A man with his superior physical strength is the hunter and protector. Hunting and protecting in this age may be more cleverness and determination, but it is still the same basic drive. The average mother is the glue which holds the family together, but the father has different skills to teach his children.
Equal pay for equal work is right because it is fair. It has nothing to do with male or female roles no matter who runs the family.
Rutherford, when you die and mourners visit, someone will surely say "there was a man."
Another part of being a man, at least near here is secretly gauging other men as physical opponents. Can I "take" him or not?
I am old but fit. I'm still strong and fast. I also know things. I could "take" Obama and Biden in an exhibition wrestling match. They would probably have more endurance than I but they wouldn't be able to use it.
I'm not bragging. Its part of being a man.
176 "Only know you've been high
when you're feeling low
Only hate the road when
you're missing home
Staring at the bottom of your glass
Hoping one day you'll make a dream last
But dreams come slow and
they go so fast.
Only know you love her when
you let her go"
Passenger "Let her go."
"Your "abilities" are on loan dud" -R
Well……I can't not deny your psychoanalysis of me is correct.
As for you….I've never heard a father offer his daughter up for draft in a combat. Quit being phony.
Ha ha…..James…..you sure you don't have some Lithuanian blood in you?
"It has nothing to do, Rabbit, with what people think of me. I try to avoid hypocrisy. To say your daughter is a mans equal in every way but draw the line when she comes in harms way is hypocrisy."
"You guys also seem to have a problem with holding seemingly contradictory thoughts in one's head at one time. It's called complexity. Life is not black and white."
R, I don't what you're blathering on about in reference to what I said. You got caught up defending your "manhood" and forgot what the discussion was about. Here's a hint: it wasn't your earning capacity or sense of duty to provide for your family financially — it was the draft applied to our mothers and daughters. Men as protectors. And DR needs to lose limbs to feel what its like to be weak and dependent then he'll understand what to means to be a man. WTF??
It ain't complexity, R.
You're baffled by what I say because you don't give it any thought.
And I am baffled by you because I to often mistakenly think you believe in something.
Unemployment pay ain't a handout, "R." That's like saying the corporate portion of your SS contribution is a handout. Believe me, over a period of 25 years, you paid for unemployment, one way or another. Your wife would have been a fool not to seek it and neither do I begrudge you it. If you want to know the real truth, I have never respected you more for the crappy job you took – those cheap shots were a ruse. Real men can put their ego in check and bare injustice. That makes you better than me in some respects.
Neither is inheritance a handout. In this case, I consider it the final act of a real man taking care of his family – your father. Use the funds wisely and take care of your own daughter – that's part of being a man.
Manhood is physical prowess only in the sense of combat and protection. Do I consider Rabbit and Gorilla real men? Yes, I do. Do I feel they would put family before self? Yes, I do. Bravery and valor are part of being a real man.
However, there are even more visible characteristics of strong men – and it's not physical. Billy Graham is now infirm – wheelchair bound. Yet, I consider Billy Graham one of the strongest men on the planet.
I prefer to view manhood like this, for what it is worth…
Does a man stand for righteousness? Do they treat their wife and with honor, do they respect their parents, do they share in the responsibilities of family, are they are willing to take a stand and share the gospel of their faith while admitting their own weaknesses? Granted, there are physical, mental, and emotional changes that take place as a boy transitions through adolescence and into adulthood, but the main criteria for true manhood is the measure of the heart, a measure of the soul – not the body.
There are men who live as boys, and there are boys who live as men. The issue isn't so much age or physical prowess as it is the measure of how one thinks and where they stand.
For example, Pfesser thinks of himself as a strong man. I think Pfesser is a boy in a man's body with the mind of a child – carnal knowledge; a check mark in the liability column of humanity. Wasted gifts and wasted talent…And in fairness, I share many of his failed traits.
Do you know something, "R?" And I don't pick on you by using you as example because without you, I wouldn't have met many of these fun people, you included. You secularists have no comprehension of what Fear of the Lord means. I don't think you understand that wisdom trumps intellect every time.
The ignorant and superficial Oprah Winfrey once stated that is what turned her off from the message of God – fear of the Lord. What a complete fool. If God is God and He did what He did. If the Lord can make all of creation with a word and judges the immortal soul. Yet, He is willing to sacrifice of Himself to save us, even if I am incapable of understanding much of it? Then only a fool does not respect that kind of authority – that unimaginable, incomprehensible measure of true power, His restraint included.
Personally "R", like all of us I think you have both aspects of a strong man and weak man having nothing to do with the physical. I think physically you are the bravest of us all, contrary as that might seem to the irrational world we live. But you too often think as a child – like a reed in the wind, you are easily swayed by evil that preys upon your emotions, your 'feelings.' Your reasoning is too often shallow and you are too often blind to real truth. You often cannot differentiate between evil and good.
That's your real weakness, IMO.
I consider you physically strong and spiritually a wreck.
By the way, I certainly don't provide myself as the measure of the how and the where you should strive. In many ways, I have become pathetic – so apathetic and cynical to be almost useless.
The world challenged me and I turned my back on it. So consider this message partially a message introspection and self help.
"Neither is inheritance a handout. In this case, I consider it the final act of a real man taking care of his family – your father. Use the funds wisely and take care of your own daughter – that's part of being a man."
That is the damned truth.
I don't know rabbit. I have found our name in Estonia with only one letter variation .Is it a coincidence of spelling or something else? Estonia is next to Lithuania. What if we were distant cousins? We definitely are if you have blue eyes… Cousin rabbit. I like that. Ha!
I agree El Tigre. Your family built that, not the government. The inheritance and how you use it is one more refutation of the Obama socialist philosophy. It also shows how much of a man you are.
Your arguments on this thread are mostly weak and contradictory because deep in your heart you know you are wrong about something you internalized years ago. Its hard to feel a piece of your identity disintegrate with no one left on the blog who feels your pain while people like us continue our attack on the remains of your ideology.
You might as well be a Lithuanian forced to renounce your religion for Christianity. You may submit to baptism but you still worship the old gods just to be safe.
We have touched this here.
On Twitchy "Actor Zach Braff surprised 'liberal Jewish gun-hater' like him has so many Texas followers." shows the difference between liberals and conservatives. As others wrote, Zach confuses bigoted liberality with more tolerant conservatives who can disagree without despising the person.
Liberals are bigots and racists.
R@181 – Family has obligation. Your dad wiped your arse when you were a stripling; I don't know if you did the same for him before he died, but I'm sure you were willing, if required.
Every man wishes to pass some part of himself on to his offspring to pave their way a little, in the same fashion that one generation feels obligated to pass some of its work down to the next. If it didn't, there would never be any progress of man. Same for a family.
Fuck the gods; it's humans who need the help. When I do a favor for the devout and they offer to pray for me, I tell them, "Don't do any useless silliness like that; when you find a man who needs help, you help him, and we'll be square."
Your father helped advance HIS family; use his gift wisely and endeavour to do the same thing with your children, and I'll venture that he'd say, "We're square, Matt."
PF, Tex has you totally pegged. You're one giant arrogant douche.
I'm not a religious man, but I know for certain that you should accept the prayers, especially if they're for some form of humility. It can't hurt — and you can't get any worse.
PF, Tex has you totally pegged. You're one giant arrogant douche.
Ah, don't be too harsh on old Parker, my younger friend.
Guys like Parker know how to keep the SS in Pfesser and Progressive. :wink: The same level of jackboot that demanded that CEO from Mozilla be fired for not marching to the gay marriage tune, but without the chops to pull off doing much collateral damage unless I'm party to the PF estate orgy.
Parker and millions like him are living proof of the prediction made 20 years ago by a really smart guy named Josh McDowell. Wrote a book called the 'New Tolerance.' I was reminded of that this morning and posted about it on another site. I need to pull that book out and reread it, because I'm now remembering enough that McDowell couldn't have been more prescient about what would transpire in America and how it would happen quickly.
Someone predicted this shit? Dickweeds like PF being given an expression of sincere gratitude in a most personal way being told, "fuck off idiot, repay your cosmic debt by being magnanimous, like me." Then walks off feeling big about themselves?
Heh! I didn't want to let great news pass without making reference to the POS David Letterman being put to pasture. Maybe he can venture off to Fat Grannies for company.
Top 10 Reasons David Letterman Is Retiring
10. Can't tell Cheney jokes anymore without angina pains
9. Interns can no longer find it
8. Last good idea was Calvert DeForest
7. Never, ever, ever, ever, ever getting the Tonight Show
6. The '80s were a long-ass time ago, bro
5. Syphilis
4. Wants to devote few remaining years to stalking Palin
3. Stupid Grandpa Tricks
2. Outlasted Leno, so hey, WTF
1. Dude is old as $#!+
~ Jim Treacher
"We're using the money now to make our lives better (like paying off lots of debt and replacing cars on the brink of extinction) But every dime I spend comes with a tinge of guilt — a tinge of unworthiness."
Quite possibly the worst waste of your inheritance imaginable. Not the part about making your lives better – that's putting the money to good use. But the guilt is a waste. My dad would be disappointed. There's joy in giving. Don't deprive him of that whatever form you believe him to be now.
You might want to stop misusing the word "rejoice," Rutherford. You've done it twice or more in this thread. You're also mixed up about feeling humbled. Humbled is good. What is a gift but that which you haven't earned? Shower the people!
I'm telling you now. You'll honor your father more by being thankful and happy that he got to experience the joy of giving and the peace of knowing he was able to make your life better.
Ironic about Hillary, isn't it Muffy?
These feminists? Empowering women? Guffaw! Who is the stronger woman? Hillary groveling to Slick Willie so she become future Senator and player? Or Jenny Sanford who instructed Mark Sanford to take a hike for his extracurricular dalliances to protect her children from a scumbag?
This is prime example how pathetic this country has become.
Can you, offhand, think of a more cowardly, self-absorbed. self-serving woman than Hillary Clinton? She's no better than those duplicitous shrews at NOW.
Hillary may be a more empty suit than Zero if he weren't the invisible President. She's smarter than Zero, but without the charm. I grant her that. But she's equally as devious and transparently as arrogant and that makes Hillary even more dangerous than our current dismal failure who can't find both butt cheeks with two hands.
Which is it? Was Hillary so stupid to not recognize her serial philandering husband was jiggling the house girl 30 years his junior? Or was Hillary so bankrupt for political expediency's sake to voluntarily run interference for Slick Clinton's escapades fighting the vast right-wing conspiracy?
And since we all know Hillary Rotten is not stupid…
Either way, Hillary is not fit hold any position of leadership. Her entire track record is one of both corruption and ill gotten gain. Her time as Sec. State was a disaster. How's that Reset Button looking now, Madam Sec.?
How's it feel to have Vladimir Putin's size 11 sickle boot up your beefy ass?
202, Alfie, the draft during the Civil war was obviously unfair because one could buy his way out. Some men enlisted and deserted multiple times to get land which was used to bribe enlistees.
The lottery system was brutally fair as you noted.
Vietnam, not so much. I remember some pro football players got medical exemptions for something like flat feet .I remember, because it made my mother mad. Draft boards treated people unequally through their discretion. The government assigned them numbers and it didn't care where they came from.
For example, I was drafted because the man ahead of me dropped out and couldn't be found. After a few weeks, they took me. I protested because I had already talked to the Air Force. The Army and Air Force fought over me for two weeks before the Air Force got me. Another unfortunate went in my place.
Bill Clinton and others I knew got college deferments and never served. George W Bush did serve in the Texas Air National Guard, and I suspect people pulled strings to get him in. Openings didn't seem available but his father, a Navy pilot was a war hero. Others faked illnesses and body damage to get deferments. I knew two men who did it. Others became ministers to get religious exemptions. Mumammad ali became a Muslim minister and evaded the draft though he may have become a minister anyway.
Women were exempt.
Champagne units offered cushy assignments to the connected. I suspect Al Gore may have been such a unit, though he served as a reporter in Vietnam. Colon Powell wrote in his autobiography that "I am angry that so many sons of the powerful and well placed and many professional athletes (who were probably healthier than any of us) managed to wrangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units. Of the many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal allegiance to our country."
I could go on, but you get the idea.I intend no disrespect, but you weren't there, Alfie. I was. The Vietnam era draft was as unfair as today's would be. People don't change.
213, those organizational feminists proved themselves to be whores when they failed to condemn Clinton's predatory sex practices. I suspect Hillary would have sold her wares on a street corner to get what she wanted.
204, the thought police made a last stand during the first Gulf War. The public treated our military well and were reluctant to protest because they know what had happened to Vietnam era veterans. A man wrote a book claiming the mistreatment had never happened. Veterans had faulty memories. Jerry Lembcke "The Spitting Image: ?" repeated the story later on.
Fragging happened in Vietnam. I have the skills to repeat the process now, but I never would, because God said it is a sin, and I have a grand daughter to care for. Calling Hillary and her allies whores, bigots and socialists is as far as I will go.
R, I wont comment because you didn't read what I wrote or apparently remember what you did again. Sometimes wonder if your real handicap is reading comprehension or blindness.
Show me where I said I was okay with my son being drafted let alone brimming with pride?
Your kneejerk comment is plain stupid.
219, Yes, Rutherford, I overstated it a little. In the 1980's the University of Michigan, I think made political correctness speech rules which a court refused. One of the protected groups was Vietnam era veterans.
My wife and I were in Staples fifteen years ago. They were selling business signs saying the buyers were in compliance with civil rights laws. A list of the protected included Vietnam era veterans.
I agree, some liberals support help for veterans and service people, but non- legislators while less vocal still dislike our service people. They can be found on blogs and in private life.For example, relatively few high ranking entertainers visited our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan,. Robin Williams a liberal was there several times, and he made our niece part of a show in Afghanistan. He also kissed her on stage and wrote her a nice note.
He criticized his fellow stars for not bothering and acknowledged politics surrounding their lack of participation. Jessica Simpson is another entertainer who visited the troops, but I believe she is fairly conservative.
I don't the think the Obamas or Hillary give a fig about our service people. Joe Biden probably does.
Last year, the American Legion asked me to give a speech in each county town to commemorate Memorial Day, My theme was "Will you remember me?" Others had to read my speech because we were sort of on call for our daughter's possible induced labor. We were waiting from day to day. In the end, we were free, and I read the speech in our home town.
The commander asked me to give another speech this year, and if I am lucky they will have forgotten since we are gone so much now. Just in case, my next speech will be Tough Enough based on the Estonian band Vanilla Ninga song. This blog gave me the idea.
Vanilla Ninga?
James, I read that wrong at first glance. I thought it read the band Vanilla Nigga and started to laugh out loud.
I thought WTH does that represent? Is that like the rap version of Ebony and Ivory, or something?
So I looked it up. I'll take all four. Sounds like that Amadeus song from years ago. :smile:
Make a great name for virtual blog band here, Rutherford 'Demi Moore' Lawson as lead vocalist and song writer. I can write the chorus.
"Tigre the argument has been about drafting girls and you said that it is evidence of my lack of manhood that I would not be a protector of my daughter. No one here has brought up an objection to drafting boys."
Still can't read.
All I mentioned was your half sequitur didn't match what DR was saying. He was talking about another "obligation" men have, i.e. to physically protect women, something you know about only in the abstract. He was saying that is why you have a pajama-boy outlook you have (paraphrase) — it's something that you've been excluded from.
Now look at your response. You don't address DR's point or the dumb "equality" argument you setout. Instead, you make the point by pointing to other obligations men have — ones that you take pride in fulfilling. You acknowledge gender roles exist and are beneficial. But discount entirely one of the most significant. Protector. Physically. Your tangent doesn't go to that point.
These are my questions: should a man be permitted to hit a woman? Does a man have any "obligations" when he sees woman being beaten? Are those the same as woman has to a man in your view? Why? Apply that to the draft you propose as a measure of "equality."
Suffice it to say that the inferences are what you supply to my comments, not what I imply. I'm usually just calling bullshit.
As I said, I think your logic is always so scattershot because you don't believe in anything. It's frustrating trying to break through to you. You've conditioned yourself to avoid the debate because you either don't believe in what you're saying or don't know enough about it.
I also agree with DR that you seem to lack some life experiences that make your comments on certain topics incredibly naïve. You not only lack street sense, you discredit it. At the same time, you claim to have superior perspective on other experiences beyond your ken when it comes to matters like feminism, urban race relations, the poor etc. etc. etc. — always replacing actual experience/knowledge with empathy/sympathy based on what you imagine them to be. Then you stubbornly hold to your beliefs.
And all of this is why I said from the outset your were incapable of the type of introspection that might lead to an epiphany.
"So I was asking you are you any more a man for letting your son get drafted than your daughter getting drafted."
"Can I now infer that any support of the draft suggests a lack of manhood based on not fulfilling the protector of your children role?"
No. But I wonder what you mean by "children" — are those that choose to enlist voluntarily still "children" in need of "protection" too?
p.s. I never commented on the draft. FWIW, I don't think women should be subject to the draft. We're better served if they are not. One reason is the gender roles you claim to acknowledge in the raising of children. If a choice has to be made, children need their moms. I also don't believe that women, as a class, are "equal" when it comes to warfare.
BTW, so there is no mistake, I believe your are a man for all of the reasons you said, and others you didn't. I also believe you have proven yourself honorable and strong.
So there.
Tex, I play "Tough Enough" for our nine month grand daughter. She has learned to wave her arms around and move to the rhythm. They called themselves Vanilla Ninga because all had light hair. They became so popular a company in Estonia named an ice cream flavor after them.
One of the women quit to have a baby. Another finished law school, and a third became a writer and TV producer. I think the light brown- haired woman moved to Los Angeles and joined a band.
She was the very definition of nothing burger.
I don't think so, R. Agree she did nothing in the way of accomplishment as even she couldn't list one, but Hillary was #2 in groveling during the Apology Tour of Barack Obama about mean old, bad boy, imperialistic America. Hillary played no small part in leading the perception America damaged goods and weak.
Remember? How Mr. Obama, Nobel Peace Prize Winner, was going change the world by handing everyone a Coke? The reset button Clinton couldn't even spell right? Hillary Rotten is inextricably tied to the massive foreign policy failures of the Obama administration, doesn't matter whether she was truly a lap dog, or not. I just can't picture Hillary as some potted plant doing Obama's bidding. Her ego is every bit as large as Obama's. Obama is perfectly happy to receive adulation and let others do the work. Hillary played no small part in formulation of the dismal failure.
R, I want some introspection from you about how you have "inextricably" tied yourself to the party most damaging America.
America has become such a visible den of theft and immorality and sophistry around the globe, enemies wishing to do America great harm are now posing themselves as moral arbiters. How twisted has it gotten when a former KGB agent is now looked upon as peace maker? Are you beginning to understand?
Putin is more clever, radical Islam more clever, China more clever than the arrogant, decadent Left ever understood. Wouldn't you agree?
And lets not kid ourselves idiots calling themselves Christians who might happen to read this. Don't let our mistrust and disdain of Obama color our judgement like the Left foolishly does in its discernment of good and evil.
Just because Obama an empty suit and immoral man doesn't make Vladimir Putin to be adorned with sainthood either. Vladamir wears a cross on his chest to front the hammer and sickle on his back. He's not to be trusted.
Pull your head out of the sand, Pharisees. Like Obama, don't listen to what Putin says. Watch what he does.
231, Hillary was a disaster because she didn't do anything when we needed action. The State Department allegedly lost money during her tenure.
An antidote to the open sewer in Washington DC was the American Country Music Awards show. One highlight was a Shakira, Blake Shelton duet. Stevie Nicks and Lady Antibellum sang "Rianna" well too.
I loved the music, but as Waylon Jennings once sang, "Did Old Hank really do it this way?"
Empathy/sympathy are wonderful emotions. They also are wonderful weapons to understand what an enemy is thinking and to mess with his/her mind. Turned backward, they are instruments of emotional damage which can hurt more than a blow to the face.
Ben Folds and William Shatner "In Love" is a musical example of the miss -use of empathy/sympathy.
Tex, another thing you only hinted at is the combination of propinquity, occasional fierce emotionality associated with danger and run of the mill emergencies. Love and fraternization develop with more problems, including greater loyalty to the emotional partner than to the group. Then, come the babies.
Love is a beautiful thing, but our TI's told us "If the Air Force had wanted you to have wives, it would have issued them."
"Ohhhh Tigre you were looking for an epiphany!"
No. As I said, I don't think you have the capacity to engage in introspection.
Content? He manned the fuck up. He wasn't content.
Purring Persian cats and burping babies are content.
What's wrong with you, man?
I read what you wrote.
I am also familiar with your dramer missive. Too bad you can't realize them through your politics. . . Unless dystopia is your dream.
A little late for the party regarding Rutherford's "manhood" discussion.
I respect Rutherford as a man for not being afraid or threatened by surrounding him self with people who have different opinions or beliefs. He does not ban those with opposing views from his blog. He does not resort to a nasty name calling temper tantrum when some one has an opinion he does not share. He is able to listen to others and gives thought to their opinions. He is open to changing his opinion when he finds reason. He can admit to being wrong. He is able to criticize or disagree with his party. IMO he does not think the USA would be "perfect" if there were no conservatives or Republican party. He is not so arrogant as to believe his ideals or views are completely right and the only way to run this country.
He does not mock those who believe in a god or who turn to a book to tell them what to think. Nor does he push his beliefs on them.
Rutherford has put up with some very nasty negative abusive comments yet he has not allowed them to turn him into a hateful negative man.
Thank you for making my point. And you may go fuck yourself as well.
I believe JOL is hitting on Rutherford.
JAL, what does any of what you respect Rutherford for have to do with his "manhood." Couldn't he be a woman and possess all those fine attributes you find so estimable?
"With few exceptions I don't see many dreamers among you and I find that sad.'
Dreamers don't do shit.
Now pipe dreamers…you are all just low hanging fruit for con men.
Muffy – so you don't care for my using the term "manhood". Fine. Yes, of course, it can apply either gender. It describes a person who is mature confident and secure in themselves.
800 G – Well, I'm not joking. However, I don't believe "dickweed" is the appropriate insult. Unless you are grade school level.
Muffy am missing your point?…should I have said for the "man he is" to make it easier for you to understand. Otherwise I can't help you. You will have to work it out for yourself or accept it as one of life's mysteries you just have to learn to deal with, sweetheart.
Your double standards are a sight to behold. If Rutherford just happened to not be aligned with your flavor of politic, you'd be singing a different tune.
Why don't you step up and do something unusual?
Like admit Barack Obama isn't the "man" you thought he was going to be. And if you were really honest, you could "man up" and go one step further and finally admit he's not just the man you thought he was going to be.
He's a disaster in which your incredibly poor judgment of character and talent was unable to discern not once, but twice.
You know what, Gorilla? Something I came to realize long ago.
Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Holder are obvious reprobates. They aren't just bad – they're wicked. But they aren't really what ails America – they're a monument and testimony to our country's imminent failure.
It's the typical Obama voter like JAL that is killing us. I don't single them out but to use as example. I guarantee JAL doesn't see it that way, though. Critical thinking was long ago cast to the winds in this country. And I'm not sure millions like JAL are capable enough to even understand what you're saying. Classic reactionary – 'D' good, 'R' evil. 'D' means taking care of the poor, little man (cough cough), social justice, rights like having an abortifacient available.
We opponents of Obama should admit that we started losing this battle long ago when we let the Left take over the media, take over our public schools, take over our government institutions, take over our entertainment.
I don't mean to sound arrogant and I don't claim to have all the answers. But a very hard choice is coming for those of us who haven't succumbed to the lies and the distortions.
Two years ago, people like Lurker were using 'GM Lives' as a talking point of Obama's rousing success, parroting imbeciles like Joe Biden for justification of Obama's reelection.
Success to JAL, Thor, the insufferable Graychin, etc…was sticking the American public with a $16 billion loss, only to now find out two years later, GM purposely chose to ignore a problem actually killing people. Now the Congressional Democratic dog and pony show starts, once again in the name of looking out for the little man and the unions.
Men like our blog host chose to ignore Mitt Romney's lifetime of successes because he was white, rich, privileged, and male. Those traits immediately eliminated Mitt Romney as possible President. And Obama was….
Well Obama was black and a Harvard graduate, with a gift of reading prepared speeches and pandering for votes.
How do you possibly overcome that lack of insight and inability to discern success from failure, with more than half the country believing it? How do you overcome that kind of prejudice if our elected are too gutless to even make mention of the obvious?
A few days ago, a black mob damn near beat to death one white man who stopped because he had hit a 10 year black kid playing a dangerous game of jumping out in front of cars off the curb.
Last night on FOX News, I heard a debate that I could not believe. The debate was whether the beating was racially motivated. And not a one of them, Bill O'Reilly included, had the guts to state the obvious.
Our party for whatever it is, is a party led by cowards and politically correct.
"Heck, I've resorted to introspection even if Tigre is not impressed."
Yeah. Real martyrdom, R.
You have a funny definition of "introspection." We've all been waiting for it, and here it's been achieved?
246, Yes. Rutherford, they would.
I agree with Lurker's description of Rutherford. Unfortunately, Rutherford is often politically wrong, and he has so internalized his ideology and biases that it is hard to emotionally accept the truth, even when intellectually, it is too obvious to ignore.
Its nice to read you again Lurker. The two worst insults one can hurl today are "liberal" and "progressive."'
Regarding the black mob and the knock out games, black racism doesn't exist because blacks are a powerless minority. Even if it did, the fascists would destroy anyone who pointed it out, just as they do with opponents of gay marriage.
Another insult worthy of liberal and progressive is coward.
Rutherford, we agree Hillary is not fit to be president. What does that mean for the next election?
Will you vote for someone else, or will you vote for Hillary and rationalize that her opponent is worse than she is? What is your definition of "worse?" What about you, Lurker? What do you think?
"My only gripe is that he tries to get us–and perhaps himself–to believe there was a chance he wouldn't, and that it's our fault when he doesn't."
The term now is not rationalization, it's "introspection," Huck.
The term now is not rationalization, it's "introspection," Huck.
LOL! How Lib. We've gone from cognitive dissonance, to rationalization, to introspection. Like from infanticide, to abortion, to reproductive rights.
Huck is right, of course. Rutherford would cast the 'D' vote now if he could, I don't care whether it is Christie or anyone else. So would Lurker and the rest of the bunch. It's in their DNA – reflexive instinct.
But Huck, I do consider it somewhat a sign of resignation, even maturity, that at least that Rutherford no longer parrots the daily lib meme routinely without a degree of reservation. Heck, even some of tweets have been of a scolding nature directed at sleazebags like Bill Maher.
That's a degree of progress, though nothing life changing.
re: "au contraire" and manhood.
That says it all, doesn't it? If you are educated, thoughtful, or can use words from another language, you're not a man.
Welcome to the blog, Sarah.
PF wants your approval R. Please indulge. It's getting weird.
Hello Parker, Oui, c'est bizarre.
Eric Holder a' Texas Rep "vous ne voulez pas aller buddy."
Ouch. That's showing me the schlagfertigkeit, you old fossil.
Not enough fail with Obama, so he needs to double down…
Got to admit, Gorilla. Lizzie has got the transparent, opportunistic lying down to a fine art, high cheek bones and all. She's as close to the female Obama as one can get. Don't believe Lizzie, she will Sioux.
Nah, R. I know you're not an idiot. But I also know you're a cradle to grave Dim. You don't know anything else and your Ted Cruz comment demonstrates you're still carrying forth with the Journolist meme – I'm surprised there hasn't been a great deal of Koch Brothers discussion round these parts.
G'day, R.
Are you a man yet, or are you still using them big words? You blackfellas don't really know what those words mean, anyway. After all, with all that Haaaahvahhhhd book-l'arnin', you might start getting ideas.
But cheer up, old man – them Real 'Merkins (and merkins they are, too) like Sarah will take care of you. She'll come ridin' in on her allosaurus, and the day is saved!
Thanks for your answer, Rutherford.
Betsys page has some information you should read. Chicago Magazine investigated crime statistics Rahm Emanuel's administration reclassified murders as death investigations or as less serious crimes apparently to lower Chicago's murder rate. They did this for several murders before a news conference touting the lower numbers.
Law enforcement and families of victims are angry.
The White House admitted that a gender gap of 77 cents is not accurate and is not about discrimination, but they will continue to lie about it.
ObamaCare was supposed to virtually end Medicare Advantage, to save money on ObamaCare. I selfishly thought that was a bad idea, but six weeks later, Obama has folded.
Most people who have missed the insurance purchase deadline will not be able to buy insurance until January 1,2015. Will not be able to buy anything before that date, even if they go outside of the exchanges.
Harry Reid and Chuck Shumer who have been vocally criticizing the Koch brothers both accepted contributions from them.
These are just a few examples of the corrupt party Democrats have evolved into.
I respect your choices, but could you consider the implications of voting against a candidate who while representing what you find repugnant would through his/her defeat allow in another who would continue what we have now? Court appointees, bureauocratic appointments and regulations, our foreign policy and defense spending are just a few effects attached to a president. Anther is justice through investigation of wrong doing.
If Hillary doesn't run, which Democrat, independent, or Republican could you support who would have the will and votes not to perpetuate what we have now? Why?
We all should ask and answer these questions, and those too thoughtless or ignorant to even know their candidates should not be allowed to vote.
Ha Ha Muffy! I am older than dirt, but I'm not under it yet.
Hey Parker. I got an "evolution" question for your
imbecilesscholars that still believe in spontaneous generation of life. :smile:
You're probably not gifted enough to understand genetics, but MHC (Major Histocompatibility Complex) was determined sometime back to be perhaps the most conserved gene since you burst from the amino muck (snicker). You know, that gene that prevents organ transplants and the like?
I got one question. Why is it that porcine's MHC has proven to be more compatible with man than your ancestors, the Great Apes? Xenografts demonstrate this time and again – pig vessels good; ape vessels bad.
Is the 'Tree of Spontaneous Life' got the wrong limb for us and Porky Pig your nearest relative?
I got about a million questions for you atheistic evolutionists nobody can answer 'scientifically.' Dwell on that and the bitcoin investment and get back with me.
"Maybe I give you guys too much credit. When you say I will vote reflexively you paint me the idiot. Not very nice at all.
Sadly votes are confidential so you won't even believe I voted for Christie after I do it."
I'm pretty sure the regulars here know you wouldn't lie about your vote. Especially if it was Christie – the man won your vote already for a number of reasons all having to do with his embrace of Obama.
"How's Jeb lookin to you guys after he said illegally crossing the border is an act of love?"
Makes we wonder if the natural-born citizen clause for holding office should be extended out to voting. Admittedly a knee-jerk.
My mistake, Muffy. For curiosity's sake, I looked the original Captain Kangaroo and military service. Ten men who were US Marines or reservists are:
The first Bozo the Clown:
Don and Phil Everly
Bob Keeshan Captain Kangaroo
Drew Carey
Pat Robertson
Lee Travino
James Carville
Gene Hackman
Lee Marvin
Great James. Now you're just running interference.
Darrell Issa says emails suggest Elijah Cummings prompted IRS targeting of True the Vote
Busted…another race hustler and thief.
Come on, Huck. Rutherford has got some legitimate standing on certain issues – a better handle than you certainly do.
Like Dennis Miller is fond of saying. Obama's overseen the fastest increase in industry in American history.
The grievance industry. :wink:
307 I imagined it went to the White House. I still do. Congressional interference was a mild to me also.
The House can send Lois Lerner to jail on contempt charges if the Holder people fail to act. The Justice Department shows little inclination to investigate, because I think they know where the trails lead.. Lois' refusal to testify indicates she probably knows a lot more than she has told us.
Justice will not be served until/unless we elect the other side, even if they are imperfect,
Kerry has bungled Syria, Ukraine, and Israel-Palestine. He is worse than a potted plant because a plant does nothing but sit on a window sill and grow.
Running interference is sporting. Rutherford's views are about as defenseless as Ukraine is against Russia.
Here's a great blog post. Would be interested in your assessment, Mr. Rutherford. I don't put you in this company – but you are ultimately responsible with your vote.
MOBZILLA. The Purging of Brendan Eich
With Barack Obama providing the template of how to do it. Barack Obama has indeed been successful at "radical transformation" of the country…
…if mob rule was the new order. America is now eating its own.
Hope you Obama voters are still feeling real smug, because your time is coming.
Every time one of these race hustler/grievance hustlers like Cummings makes some comment about Jim Crow or McCarthy era style politic, I think Republicans should retort by talking about O.J. Simpson style politics from the Left – liars and deniers, whitey haters.
Remember, Cummings is the one that accused the Tea Party of screaming nigger at him during the signing of Obamacare.
When Andrew Breitbart offered a $10,000 dollar reward, followed by a $100,000 reward for any proof of anybody doing so, no one could come with the evidence and the issue slowly died.
This Cummings POS has been riding MLK legacy for 40 years – he's a nothing burger like Je$$e Jackson in trying to co opt the MLK legacy as he too was some hero, all for personal gain. And the filthy bastard has made a small fortune doing so – the definition of ingrate.
I've had it with these black racists. Fuck 'um. Start fighting fire with fire.
I've asked Rutherford and numerous other leftists around the globe, if there's nothing to the IRS scandal, why are people taking the 5th then, Huck. Like you, I'm ignored – and in part, it's because Rutherford has been abandoned to us wolves. No doubt a more rushed life/work life, it gets overwhelming to answer all of us. I'm not casting blame.
However, my real questions are ignored anymore and have been for at least two years – only the superficial pap gets a response. I'm sure partially out of boredom and perhaps a little grudge of past grievances. But I honestly believe it is in large part is that Rutherford has no answer, nor a legitimate defense, nor a willingness to provide further excuse.
While Rutherford has mellowed to a degree, I believe most of mellowing is quietly masking the failure of his 'religion' – leftist politic.
The bottom line is this – I mean this with all my being.
I believe we've come to a Rubicon crossing as a nation. I can't go on this way anymore for the sake of country, sake of family, sake of friends.
If one half, perhaps more than one-half the country can ignore the rule of law, ignore the Constitution, have no accountability for mass failures including the reelection of cosmic failure, campaigns, governs, and wins by covetous, then what?.
What are the rest of us prepared to do about it? How long will it get to the point we tolerate it and discuss the problems without solution, instead of taking the initiative to act? In my own world, I already have to a degree. But I'm willing to go all the way only if millions are willing to go to bat. Sacrifices need to be made – real sacrifices. Most of us seem reluctant to act – perhaps we also lack character?
I agree, Poolman. Politics is as sickening as cleaning a sewer. We have to "wallow in the mire" because politics run our government.
I feel as ambivalent as you do, but the reality is two ideologies are at war, and though both are imperfect, the outcome will profoundly alter our country. You have to pick a side. The other side is no longer hiding its disdain for freedom, truth and law.
As Tex noted Amadeus and Tough Enough by Vanilla Ninja sound similar. The song also unwittingly describes our current struggle.
"Baby only the strong will survive
all the mysteries of life
Only fantasy keeps you away
in the lonely fields of those broken shields
So keep on kicking
The bomb is ticking
Don't stop, don't be a runaway
Go for the fire
Baby are you tough enough
Just keep on living
and don't start giving
the devil good reason
to get you in the seasons of heart break
Baby are you tough enough?"
The strongest side will win, and the eventual winner is in doubt, but we have no hope if we don't "keep on kicking."
You describe our situation well, Tex. I hope it doesn't but it may come to violence. I think we are as prepared to act as any people who feel their freedom is threatened.
I hope you have time to watch part of The Battle for Sarajevo Part 1 Bitka Za Sarajevo on YouTube.
I am a Ukrainian has gone viral on YouTube.
Video I am A Ukrainian (USA remix)
I don't have much use for Alex Jones, but he shows a video similar to another I saw which uses scenes in the United States with the Ukrainian dialogue.
Letter to Ukraine ViKA She is a Ukrainian pop singer who has put herself at some risk for producing videos like this. She has the character you fear we may lack,
I am not alone on VIKA's YouTube channel. It shows her waving a Ukrainian flag as she sings.
These people and others are like us. They wanted to be left alone to raise their families and live good lives. Something pushed them over the edge, and they became revolutionaries. I don't know if they considered the implications of their actions, but they were so desperate they were willing to bear the cost.
Various government agencies are arming themselves. Maybe it standard operating procedure for legitimate reasons. Or maybe our leaders fear we might one day tell them we have had enough.
MSNBC and Obama has failed Rutherford.
So Rutherford has taken the coward's way out.
What a fucked world. Liberals are such the establishment, so much "the man" they actively conspire with the government to trample on the rights of Americans.
And the rest of them are apathetic, selling out every fake ass ideal they used to pretend meant something to them.
They are fascists and fascist sympathizers.
Nothingburger. Come to find out they are referring to we the people with that stupid term.
Wait until you one day feel the wrath of the Nothingburgers. Grease Burns hot, bitch.
I've noticed more than normal angry comments on news blogs. Some also refer to revolution. We have done the same here.
The stand off between the government and a Nevada ranching family continues with heavy arms and troops. Today, twenty cowboys re took some of the cattle back.
This is how revolutions and protest movements begin, with flash point stand offs which come at the right time. Its how the Tea Party and final part of the Civil Rights movement began,
This is the headline over at MSNBC:
Republicans can't quit the IRS Scandal.
That's the angle Rutherford is getting.
We are talking about the first amendment and so called liberals care more about well…..does anyone know what they stand for?
These are people who say they hate guns but were aghast that the Republicans asked for documents for why in bloody hell we purposely released a bunch weapons to brutal killers in Northern Mexico. They all got up and walked out in protest.
Protest of what?
Who are you people?
Rutherford – You mentioned about a young woman who "finds (her)self pregnant," and how that's really nobody's fault but her own. You know, of course on a very rigid, fundamentalist level, that's true, but never deny the power of sex. It is evolution's most powerful and irresistible invention.
Interestingly, 71% of twenty-somethings who "find themselves pregnant" did so unintentionally. If you think that, when the urge hits, everybody just needs to think rationally and make sure they are safe before they pull their pants down, clearly you don't remember being in your '20s.
And that, my friend, is why Americans need to be sure they keep abortion safe and legal. Pregnancy happens.
Since I think you can rationally discuss the abortion question, (a rarity if there ever was one), I'll ask you a serious question, and it is not designed to score points; I want to know what you think: If abortion is not primarily birth control (which I think is how it is usually used, at least in US, don't you?), then when should it be available?
Throughout the world, abortion appears to primarily be a birth control apparatus. Women and girls get preggers; that's the reality, and many make the judgment that they just cannot carry the pregnancy – for whatever reason: they already have a litter; they cannot bear the financial burden; they cannot care for or feed more. Is it reasonable for them to abort? If not, then when?
So, back to the original question, Rutherford, when should AB be available to a woman?
Rutherford, right now, we are in a pressure cooker with a growing level of frustration and anger. The United States has a long history of revolts of one form or another. The Whiskey Rebellion and Culpepper's revolt are two. Another was a coup attempt to remove FDR with the help of the American Legion which did not cooperate.
During the Farm recession, some farmers and survivalists advocated and prepared for violence. Timothy McVeign, Waco, and Ruby Ridge were indirectly connected
. Further back during the Depression parts of the Midwest were in virtual rebellion with some judges nearly lynched. Armed farmers set up check points to prevent other farmers from delivering livestock to market. My father rode with a young man who needed to sell hogs to survive. Armed men stopped their truck. My father pulled a shot gun from his coat, and their truck was allowed to pass.
The Baltic nations revolved from Soviet control in 1987 after the government banned a music concert. Maybe two million people held hands and formed a line through Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania. They called it the Singing Revolution,
The Norweigian Sami revolted after the government proposed a dam which would destroy reindeer herding grounds. They used the national media, law suits, and non- violent and violent protest. At one time, a tenth of the Norweigian police force was trying to control the disturbances, and if an agreement had not occurred, the Army was going to be deployed.
Most violent revolutions fail, as the Waco and McVeigh people did. They didn't find enough people to identify with their cause. Ukraine succeeded because the protesters, cause resonated with the majority of the people. They need simple concepts virtually anyone can identify with,. Watch a version of " I am a Ukrainian". on YouTube. Then you will understand my point, The same was true of Egypt.
Americans are nothing more than transplanted Europeans, Africans, Asians etc. We are as smart and as stupid as they are because we are them. If they can do it, so can we.
Progressives are slowly dismantling our unique political system, but as you write, it still exists, It is only a feeling but I think something is happening here. All we need is a proper spark to set something off. I favor a voters' revolution. I think we need one to survive as the nation we grew up and which helped make the world safer than it would have been without us.
if you look at the videos of Sarajevo and Ukraine that I posted, you will know I favor a relatively peaceful voters' revolution like the Tea Party or civil rights movement. I think over 100,000 people died in Sarajevo. That speaks to a level of public desperation and anger we have yet to see in the United States. I have been in street protests before, and I could do it again. So could some of the posters here.
I am convinced that if ballots and marches don't fix our problem, bullets will, and that would be tragic.
I know you're ignoring me anymore, but perhaps you should read this, then rethink this statement.
Contrary to your paranoia the country's model put in place by the founding fathers is still intact. You'd be a fool to cheer on its demise.
Eric Holder in hot water with federal judge over drug sentencing guidelines
When men can unilaterally either make up law or ignore law like Holder, the country's model, however wonderful, ain't working. Eric Holder should be in prison – he should have been over Marc Rich. Once again, Eric Holder the coward is hiding behind his race to mask his incompetence and corruption.
Holder the pussy…..they always hide behind their slightly darker skin. So pathetic and played out.
Does it work still?
800 lbs – Unfortunately, men will be men no matter which side of the aisle they may sit on. Some are more willing to recognize their faults and make change.
According to Forbes the pay gap varies from state to state. The biggest gaps are in the red states.
Your stating women are paid 93 cents seems to apply only to younger women.
"But for young women, the wage gap is even smaller – at 93 percent – meaning they caught up to their same-aged male counterparts by roughly the last week in January of this year."
If you are comfortable with employers paying women less to do the same work as you how do you know the employer is paying you what you're worth?
Has it ever dawned on you more women in red states also stay home with their children, where often two incomes not required, then return to the workforce? If I return to the workforce, should I demand the same pay as the most experienced woman?
Red state women also have more children – or should I say children in wedlock? I can list numerous reasons where the data you're using is flawed.
I can assure you that most often, women today with the same experience and the same occupation with the same responsibility are making the same as men. I know this because I used be over several of both genders and there was no discrepancy unless there was a notable difference in performance – and certainly not in starting pay upon entrance from college. In fact, any discrepancy between genders had to be documented as to why as dictated by the EEOC. Human resource departments run scared to do otherwise.
If there is a war in America today, it's on the white male – Conservative, white male to be more specific. The same white Conservative males that put men on the moon who have been stupid to tolerate your totalitarian nature. And the blowback will be glorious when it finally blows.
If I were you, I'd stay out of the way of the hurricane, being people like you did your small part to create it. I can't think of a more deserving person to be delivered to the cosmos of the winds of change than people like you.
Tex I tried to read your link @#345 but I had to stop after the first line.
"Attorney General Eric Holder is the nation's chief law enforcement officer…"
What comes to mind is, "Apres moi, le deluge."
Though I had to look that up :) – you're absolutely right.
What does it matter? should be the Democratic motto.
Its already pouring and the forecast is for more deluge
. Lack of self respect is not a problem, in my opinion. The problem is people who respect themselves with out basis. The lying bastards are so self confident they spin fanciful stories hard for a carrot to believe.
Lurker, I agree with Tex. Prove us wrong with documentation. I'm not comparing you to a carrot but on this you seem very gullible.
Better yet, listen to Bob Dylan's "The Times, They are a Changing."
Are you all cabin-y now rabbit?
Don't know if any of you have been following the honorary award offered then rescinded to Ayaan Hirsi Ali by Brandeis University, assisted by CAIR…but I read this today and thought it clever:
Four Feminist Gender Studies Teachers sit down to play:
Blanche, Dorothy and Sophia are tenured veterans. Rose is a novice.
Rose: I bid two diamonds.
Dorothy: You can't say diamonds, dear. It represents greedy, corporate vulture capitalists. You say Solyndras.
Rose: Ok, then I bid two clubs.
Sophia: Clubs are exclusionary and misogynist. You have to say communes instead.
Rose: Every commune I ever heard of had one guy having sex with all the girls and taking advantage of their dim bulb, no bra mentality.
Blanche: Yeah, but they're our type of guys. Then it's ok.
Rose: Forget it, I'll just bid two sp….
Dorothy, Blanche, and Sophia: NO!!!!!!
Dorothy: You never, ever, ever, say that word. It's racist. You say "cards of color".
Rose: Color? When we played poker or gin we used to say we had "color" when we had face cards, jacks, kings, queens.
Blanche: We never say queens, either. We say transgender royalty.
Dorothy: And kings and jacks are too…Crusades. Offensive to Islam. We say Daddy Dhimmi and Dhimmi dummy.
Rose: Ok, cards of color, communes, solyndras,. What do I say about these bleeding…hearts?
Sophia: Are you from Fox News?
Rose: Not YOU bleeding hearts, these…darned hearts.
Dorothy: They're called liberals. Nobody ever bids them any more.
Rose: Communes, solyndras, cards of color, and liberals. How will I ever remember what trump is?
Blanche: Racism trumps everything, silly.
Rose: What?
Sophia: No matter what is bid, no matter what cards you hold, if you want to win the hand you yell RACISM!!! at the top of your lungs.
Rose: Where in heaven's name did you learn to play this idiotic game?
Sophia, Dorothy, Blanche: Brandeis.
Muffy. I was informed two days ago that the brother of the former renter has claimed "squatters' rights". Whatever the fuck that means.
Police are informed and don't care. My wife's uncle (who I am buying the place off of) is going through the legal steps of evicting him.
As you can imagine, my take on this matter would much more colorful in a private realm.
The scary part was I was supposed to go up Friday with 5 other friends and brothers, armed to the teeth. We were going up to shoot. The working stiffs were not picking up their phones and I was paranoid something bad was going to happen if they showed up. They finally got the message. (Of course this made them want to go up even more).
I went jogging and stewed on the matter for a while. I have transformed my very aggressive state of mind to the something akin to the tranquility of that song you posted.
We will get him (and his wife) out.
What an awesome "bug out" retreat. The world hasn't even collapsed and I have lost it to a marauder. LOL.
I do have a support network up their as well (some who also would be fine with frog marching his ass out).
Ultimately…its just a dumpy trailer in woods of a rural ghetto. I've spent less on it then people do cars. I'm trying not to let it bother me.
I think I will be in there within a month.
That was not a bug out retreat. It was a strategic decision which saved you all a lot of trouble.
You don't need my advice, but here is something I learned. Be ready, but never make the first move if you can avoid it. Self defense does wonders in court or at work.
I like the song too. Another calming song is Amazing sami song in Sweden's Got Talent. It made a judge and some of the audience cry.
Honorary Degrees are crap. But commencement speeches are not.
All over this country, anyone deemed not Leftist enough is being shouted down, offers rescinded, faculty protesting in mass. It's epidemic – higher education has become a den of thieves and jackboots. Leftists are bordering on lawlessness and fascism, as are the homosexual militants. It's the 'New Tolerance.'
I don't know why Republicans don't band together and start their own secular, non-profit, affordable regional colleges to combat this small 'c' Communist shit instead of wasting money on Karl Rove's mega donor junk which does little to get people elected.
James…..you are right. I call it a bug out retreat in jest. Just a little hunting parcel. Not worth me making the first move.
Hell….technically, its not even mine yet. I haven't signed anything. Just gave a relative 2 grand down payment.
I will be mildly bummed if i don't have it by Turkey season.
Rev. Sharpton……the left's appointed voice of black people……wanted to profit from the murdering of black people and cash in on the cocaine epidemic of the 80s.
Holy shit liberals are twisted.
Anyone with a brain already new Sharpton was a murderous gangster and a lethal danger to the black community. Exactly the kind of person liberals prop up to lead the black community. They even make him a prime time talking head!
You people a pathetic.
Ranchers & Militia 1; Fed Jackboots 0
I have no idea if this rancher is guilty of what is charged. If so, he should pay. But the Federal Gov't is out of control and thuggish, and these folks just taught the American public a valuable lesson.
If thousands are willing to put it on the line to fight back, we will win.
"Besides, dignified people DO give the OFFICE its due. Goehmert and Joe "you lie" Wilson are not dignified."
That's 'cause they're racists.
(so says the Keith Olberman lackey :roll:)
Rutherford, you are partly right. Officers are "sir" Enlisted people are called by their rank.
Joe Wilson could have been dignified by saying "Mr. President, 'you lie' In that manner, he would have been giving the office its proper respect and by describing Obama's actions apart from the office he would have accurately described Obama's actions.
I also like lying bastard.
One of the most iconic political lies by a president on sweeping legislation that we had to pass before we could know what's in it and, years later, a reminiscing Rutherford is miffed that the liar was called a liar without his proper title.
Yeah…..we're fucked.
Parker if I dig down deep, abortion should be available when the mothers life is in danger. DONE. Not incest, not rape, not being horny.
Gee Parker. Since Rutherford and I have finally met eye-to-eye on one of those 'defining issues' like abortion, does that make Rutherford an inferior too?
Eric Holder is an asshole, R. The lame, feckless SOB ignores the rule of law and plays the race card when busted. You know that deep down too. Eric Holder is a stinking piece of dog shit and a disgrace to the office.
Holder is a fucking disgrace.
So does the white police officer who arrested Henry Louis Gates in his own home after reports of a break in.Accounts varied about the level of confrontation. After admitting he didn't know the facts, Obama said the Cambridge police department acted stupidly.
Remember, Obama leads from behind. He farms out racist tendencies to others. For example, he didn't even know what was in his own ObamaCare law. Others wrote it, so this would not be an example of Obama's racism, merely his tacit approval.
In 2009, the Commission on Civil Rights said that ObamaCare was filled with race based incentives, including giving preferential treatment for minorities and rural people for scholarships. It also had sections factoring in race when awarding business contracts, scholarships, and grants.The law had provisions for companies and schools who trained or employed minorities.
When Gov. Jan Brewer of Arizona signed a law defending the state's borders, Obama insinuated that the law was racial profiling which would harass minority people
In March, 2010, the administration filed a brief with the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals which supported the University of Texas' using racial preferences when admitting students.
The administration supports illegal voting and immigration which would help Democrats win elections.Eliseo Medina a former member of Obama's National Latino Advisory Council said in 2009 that reforming immigration laws would create millions of new voters for the Democratic party.
Rutherford is right that Obama has made few overtly racist statements, but the president sets the tone of an administration. His support of proven racist Eric Holder and implied approval of folks like Al Sharpton fosters a patina of racism.
Citing other presidents is irrelevant. They are gone, Obama is still here.
Yes, Rutherford, space was Kennedy's brain child. It was like Moses' not getting to the promised land though others did. He also canceled a replacement to the space shuttle.
Obama basically followed Bush's Iraq time line but he made changes.
Tex you lost me. The "dream" to land a man on the moon was Kennedy's and NASA's heyday was during the Johnson admin.
The dream was a conglomeration of thousands of minds, long before JFK rose to prominence. JFK was the mouthpiece for a nation and a call to action. A campaign speech when people actually believed what they were hearing in a better day and the people giving the speech actually meant it.
But the actual work, the planning, the building, the implementation and facilitation were by white men, many military. We weren't reading the Book of Genesis from space in the name of multiculturalism, Rutherford. There was no "diversity is our strength" plan in place. The most qualified people were chosen.
I know it's asking people to much to learn history (not you). But if bleeding hearts with phony intent demanding others do their bidding, utilize their own riches, and do virtually all the work for the poor, poor like Big Gov., I'll Supervise Lurker doubt what I just wrote, tell them to pull out Apollo 13 (the way most people learn history these days) and watch closely and count the number of 'diverse, gender oriented' faces.
Forty years ago, America decided to declare war on her most talented demographic – jealousy, envy, covetous the reason. I'll let the results speak for themselves what has followed in our wonderfully diverse space administration as but one example.
Anybody that doesn't understand this country in free fall to irrelevancy for a multitude of reasons, is either too young to know better or too stupid to be of use.
P.S. – The Democratic Party, now in to its sixth year of power, has run out of excuses for its abysmal failure and come full circle in the blame playbook. When the charges of racism didn't stick, your party took other paths…war on women, obstacles to progress, war on people of color, greed of the 1%. For a short time, all of them worked. But they're not working now because the useful idiots have grown despondent.
So were back to racism being the cause of Obama's failure. Have you not noticed the last few weeks, the grievance industry crawling out of the woodwork? Even Hank Aaron is now out calling Republicans the KKK.
The progressive agenda fundamentally rests on the notionthat ordinary men need brilliant people to tell them what to do. It depends on the idea that left to themselves the great unwashed would merely swill beer, drive pickup trucks and believe in superstitious nonsense like good and evil, right and wrong, God and the devil. And how much better it might be if we instead listened to the enlightenment of the Great and the Good. ~ Richard Fernandez
Tell me he's wrong, "R." :smile:
A veteran Justice Department lawyer says that Attorney General Eric Holder has politicized the department in a way he hadn't seen before. In short, "Holder is the worst person to hold the position of attorney general since the disgraced John Mitchell."
Now in his sixth year as attorney general, Holder has increasingly tilted the department in an ideological direction. It's one thing to emphasize President Obama's legal priorities. It's quite another to decide not to enforce certain federal laws — such as the ban on marijuana — or urge state attorney generals to refuse to defend local laws on same-sex marriage. Legal changes are achieved through legislation, not through a sudden whim not to enforce them. No other attorney general has acted in this manner.
Holder clearly believes he has the inherent power to politicize his department. When House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte asked him last week whether he believed there were any limits to the administration's prosecutorial discretion. "There is a vast amount of discretion that a president has — and more specifically that an attorney general has," Holder responded.
But courts have frequently disagreed with Holder's interpretations of the law.
That's not a Republic, Rutherford. Discretion in application of law is necessary accomplice to Totalitarianism.
I keep throwing this up in your face not to associate you with abuse, but in the hopes you will be fair in your assessments. Sometime, I think you too easily sway Left with the rest of the reeds. I think you better than that.
391 "You are correct sir."
390 The ranchers haven't won yet as Alfie wrote. Like Ukraine they have breathing room because someone decided the risk of violence would bring adverse publicity and an explosion of related protests.
400 If the administration says it it is probably false.
"You hold a gun to a nation,you transfer people from insurance or uninsured pools onto Medicaid and you find that number to be joyfully high?"
More incredibly is not that they say it and applaud themselves for an abysmal failure claiming it a success, its that they do it without concern that they will be eaten alive by their own.
These are strange times.
Obama doesn't need to directly confront race. He has put in place a machine that does it for him. His silence and warm embraces of Sharptons, Van Joneses, Martins, Holders, etc. is all that is required. The media and drones got it from there.
R, there has never been a DOJ that acts like this. The refusal to enforce laws is rare indeed. This DOJ offers it as an agenda is outright totalitarianism (or as you said, much needed dictatorship). You not having a problem with it (or presuming that it is just SOP), speaks volumes. None of it good.
You need to talk to my father-in-law about the Gestapo tactics of the EPA, Alfie.
My straight and true father-in-law was pretty much marched into their kangaroo court in Dallas, TX, some years back in the mid 90s. I opened up the Tulsa World to read the headlines XYZ Propane fined by EPA. My wife was aghast. The court found my father-in-law liable for an $11K fine, reduced from the original $27K they threatened. They had offered $2K initially after he protested – which he refused to pay a dime.
Four separate lawyers came to four separate findings trying to decipher the requirement. Think IRSS.
His sin wasn't anything environmentally damaging, mind you. No, Father Bob hadn't attached two supplemental forms necessary for EPA requirement.
True story.
If you were familiar with the Waco story more than the MSM ever led America to believe, and mind you I initially sympathized with the government, you would realize contrary to the claims of the ATM, the ATM were no delivering angels but a band of jackboots with badges.
I've always wanted our media to explain why the BATF/FBI flag hung on the Branch Davidian flagpole after the tragedy. Reads like a "victory celebration" to me.
No explanation has ever been forthcoming.
Sicking dogs on the protestors. Shades of '63…
"If there is a war in America today, it's on the white male – Conservative, white male to be more specific the same white Conservative males that put men on the moon…"
I know for a fact there were white Liberal males working on that program. As well as women, blacks/people of color, people of all religious beliefs and political views, sexual orientation and a few chimps too.
One of the reasons you won't see anything but WASP faces is that blacks/people of color, women etc. were not ALLOWED to be part of the exclusive white man's club.
In 1960, I worked with the test engineers for company that was developing a Saturn IV engine. We would climb on the roof of our office to watch some of the earlier launches at the Cape. Unfortunately, it was just a black speck and a vapor trail in a blue sky.
And you played what part in putting man on the moon??
I know for a fact there were white Liberal males working on that program. As well as women, blacks/people of color, people of all religious beliefs and political views, sexual orientation and a few chimps too.
One of the reasons you won't see anything but WASP faces is that blacks/people of color, women etc. were not ALLOWED to be part of the exclusive white man's club.
Really? I don't believe you. In fact, I would go so far to say you're entirely full of shit, Lurker, lying through your teeth. Just like I always find you full of shit as your misandry reference chock full of factual errors about salaries once again proved. That or you are simply stupid because you just contradicted yourself in the same post without realizing it.
Let's deduce, something you may be incapable of since you can't deduce Obuma is a massive failure by any measure.
If you didn't see anything but White, hairy faced faces, then it boils down to a simple fact – especially considering this was the time your feckless government was doing everything in its power to promote civil rights and multiculturalism.
There weren't anything but the exclusive WASPs to advertise on the big stage, dummy. Chimp was advertised. :wink:
So prove it to me…show me all these diverse crowds. Sweeping the floor and changing the hand soap doesn't count.
How did I contribute to putting men on the moon? Not a bit, being I had just turned nine years old.
About the same thing you contributed…blowhard.
Lurker, unsung hero of the space race. JAL ain't no male WASP.
So what role should've brought you notariety but for the white man?
:lol: I'm afraid this charge of sexual harassment was too incriminating for even a crooked justice to implement 'men are all predators.'
This gal must be nuts…be forewarned; the video is "soft porn."
"Great Grandpa Lurker, with the accolades to execute rocket science"
Man…that cracked me up. And I needed a laugh.
Not very fun at the rabbit house hold. Lots of screaming at one another. Not cool.
Marriage is hard. Sometimes it feels like my wife and I speak different languages.
Liberalism is the great masses of low information voters in large part. Want proof?
This midterm, when many fewer vote than in a Presidential election year, it is probable your party gets its ass handed to them as it did in 2010.
In a Presidential election year, the less informed come crawling out of the woodwork. The Obamaphone, the Rock the Vote, the free rent and gas crowd, the 47% Romney offended, the grievance hustlers…
You know that. Now, that's not to say Libs don't have their intelligent group. But for the most part, the Democrats are the Big Tent Party of institutional grievance. Right now, many of them are eating their own.
Holder is disdainful of the law, and that's on Holder. Holder's a major racist and a cranky baby.
It's all politics. This guy (link) talks to this woman this way not because she's a woman but because she's a Republican.
I'm sick to death of paying attention to the left's obsession with race.
We could just as easily have some nanny liberals convincingly crowing about how the system is set up against men. (And they would if they thought it expedient.).
Speech after speech about the "glass floor". A world where women, without college degrees, seem to get entry level jobs in air conditioned offices that have "bagel Tuesdays".
Men on the other hand, taking on back breaking and dangerous work, fighting off the brutal elements for the same money.
We could get speech after speech about the lack of college attendance for men. How the educational system as a whole is disadvantageous for boys.
But we don't (thank God) despite the reality that when it comes labor, we men shovel the shit that is used as fuel to heat those cozy cubicles.
I think improvements could be made in school.
But….for the most part…..your Nanny always seems to make it worse. I'd rather nature and culture pick the winners and losers then you and your asshole friends. And trust me, somebody will still be shoveling shit. I would rather not have your elites bestowed with power to pick who gets the shovel.
In fact…a man can work his way up from the shit shovel. I did exactly that. I'm just pointing out women often times luck out and never start so low to make a decent buck. If we are playing violins, lets hear them all.
Honestly, culture often times mimics necessity. There simply aren't enough women strong enough to do a lot of work out there that needs to be done. Just as it is a huge detriment for a business to have a chunk of their workforce constantly checking out for the most noble act in all of humanity, giving birth and nurturing a baby.
Your elites are corrupt. Why do always want to give them more power?
Lazy and low information aren't mutually exclusive, Rutherford. GG…
In fact, more often than not, they correlate well.
"BTW Tigre do you know the need for Lily Ledbetter act? If you didn't know you were being screwed within a certain period of time you were out of luck."
Yeah. We had this discussion. I educated you on what the Act was since you started out thinking it meant something more.
And yeah. If you don't figure out you got screwed within a certain period of time you're out of luck. It's called the statute of limitations and it applies to all laws, civil and criminal. You're surprised by this?
So, maybe you'd spend a minute and find out what whom the Act has purportedly "helped." If you think Obama has done something with Lily Ledbetter, you're not just a fool, you're a damn fool.
Alfie @ 469 – right on the money. And it is the implication of that observation that is important: could many Americans be (being) used by their government as …. what was that phrase …. "useful idiots," jerked around by catch-phrases and patriotic jingoism, so they provide the people's approval to feed your military-industrial complex the money and dead bodies it requires in order to prosper?
There's a great quote by C.S. Lewis, if I remember … here it is: No, it was Sinclair Lewis – " When Fascism Comes To America It Will Be Wrapped In The Flag And Carrying A Cross " 1935
Rutherford@380 – been busy, but managed to scroll back to your answer. Fair enough.
re: concept that the Great Unwashed Masses will not do the right thing without force. I disagree, but whoever brought that up struck the essence of Liberal thought.
Seems to me that over long periods of time Humanity lurches toward greatness by fits and starts – and in my view, it is made possible entirely by technology. (Think Maslow's triangle). The Internet is the latest and by far most significant technological boon to freedom, because it makes it now impossible for oppressive governments to hide the beauty of freedom from anybody. People see it, and they WANT it. Why do you think the Great Firewall of China is so important to those bureaucrats?
Along that line, would slavery have ended? Yep, just like picks and shovels left Yancoal years ago – humans are not efficient diggers; Caterpillars are. And secondly, as people's lot improves generally, they (see Maslow) begin to cast about for wrongs to right. Can't do that when you are scratching for your next meal, but when THAT is secure ….
Rutherford – Oh, I forgot: If you want to sic your your grade-school "researcher" on it, this should make life easier:
Search terms: lewis flag cross fascism – 22 pages on Google
Search terms: Maslow triangle – > 28 pages
It's easier, though, if one just knows some things to start with.
Fascism is already here. It came wrapped in promises and gauzy ideals ignorant voters bought. Read this morning's Betsy's Page.
Joe Wilson said "You lie!" As I wrote before had he said "Mr. President, you lie" he would have expressed respect for the office while still describing Obama's behavior. "You lie" is a generic sentence with no specific description. Assuming Wilson was wrong about his specific charge, he was still right. Obama does lie. The proof cannot be hidden.
This is irrelevant, but it is better than the filth coming out of Washington and our elite "betters."
I read an article explaining how closely connected Russian and American tech companies are. I also read that Catherine the Great was a friend of John Paul Jones, and she worked hard to convince France to support our American Revolution.
It was 82 on Saturday. Severe thunderstorms developed fifty miles east of us. Yesterday began at 58 with some thunder. We had more thundershowers and heavy cold rain as the temperature fell into the thirties with a north wind gusting to nearly 50 MPH. The dry slot remained a few miles south of us as the deformation zone approached. Heavy sleet showers turned to west snow with flakes the size of half dollars.
The wind was still gusting to nearly fifty miles per hour so as the temperature reached freezing, we had near blizzard conditions. I skied into open country and as I turned to go back a gust nearly blew me over. Climbing back up while on skies is tricky.
We have two inches of snow on the ground, and it is 26 with wind gusts to near 40 MPH. I plan to ski again before we return to Omaha,.
Our grand daughter said "Da Da" to me last Thursday. After she called me "Da Da" she said the same to her swing,.
Sinclair Lewis, hey? Ironic that our boy man Dominionist feared fighter would pick Sinclair to so readily admire…like Christopher Hitchens, Sinclair died a most gruesome death like Hitchens.
Being Christopher Hitchens never struck me as particularly happy or hopeful but as rather a bitter, resentful, dour, heavy drinker type, at the end, appearing bereft of all hope. The 60 Minutes interview was most painful to watch.
See if Hitchen's death sounds familiar.
After an alcoholic binge in 1937, Sinclair Lewis checked into the Austen Riggs Center, a psychiatric hospital in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, for treatment. His doctors gave Lewis a blunt assessment that he needed to decide "whether he was going to live without alcohol or die by it, one or the other." Lewis checked out after ten days, lacking, one of his physicians wrote to a colleague, any "fundamental understanding of his problem."
Apparently, Sinclair's alcoholism wasn't the only fundamental misunderstanding. He died a wretched man, mostly forgotten until the militants dug up a few old quotes. A proud man; a fool, and dead.
You should have stayed with your first choice, C.S. Lewis – an atheist who took a sojourn to disprove God and came back perhaps the 20th century's best Christian author:
"A proud man is always looking down on things and people; and, of course, as long as you are looking down, you cannot see something that is above you." – C.S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
Your most obvious fatal flaw, 'Parker.' A profound arrogance, that most people recognize but a shield to mask the misery.
"Parker if I dig down deep, abortion should be available when the mothers life is in danger. DONE. Not incest, not rape, not being horny." -R
"Rutherford@380 – been busy, but managed to scroll back to your answer. Fair enough." -Pf
:lol: So that's what a rational discussion of abortion looks like.
PS…no need to work so hard, Pfaker. You're not pfooling anyone. :)
Great ad:
However, this is one of the best ever:
Dartmouth: Raising the next generation of Leftist Totalitarians.
Get a load of this shit – the first paragraph will tell you all you need to know about these poor little buttercups attending school at $60K a year. They're so put upon, these feminists. I thought it was so bad, at first I thought it was satire. But it's not.
Hey Rutherford. You're a good Ivy boy. What the hell is Gender Theory and Transformative Justice, by the way? :lol:
Obama gobbledygook, I guess? I hope I die before assholes like this step into some position of authority.
Tex I haven't read the article but I know Dartmouth has a history of racial discord. Maybe you're just seeing the pendulum swing back, albeit vis-a-vis gender not race.
Read it for a good laugh – at least I had a good laugh. I provided that especially for you. Not as insult, but I thought you might appreciate imbeciles trying to sound intelligent and enlightened, being I do find you a capable writer even if you're an Obuma twit. :smile:
I think Rutherford is outraged over Cheney's drone assassinations.
Or am I confusing him with someone else.
Yeah….come on Rutherford….I get it….the water boarding that led to the death of OBL….you don't like it. Is that what you are referring to?
Please do tell….
My Great Uncle died from war crimes. He was executed. Gun to the head. An unarmed villager. Killed by Russians.
I have another Great Uncle who died by the hands of Germans although I know a lot less of the details.
This "Blood Moon" was quite spectacular. I am glad I got up to see it.
I can certainly understand why it in antiquity these events created fear in men. Not as spectacular as a solar eclipse or the comet 15-20 years ago, but beautiful nonetheless.
Is there anything more beautiful than the heavens on a dark night?
Now I can't go back to sleep. Saw this in response to an MSNBC bozo that called Conservatives "hicks" on Twitter:
E·lit·ist (n.): A person who thinks he can control the economy, weather and human nature but doesn't know how to change the oil in his car.
It was spectacular – but colder than hell. Sunday afternoon watching Bubba win the Masters, I was sitting in my recliner wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
15 hours later, I was bundled up with a headband covering my ears walking the dog.
I'm really ready for Spring. I'll bet this freeze just killed every damn flower on my azaleas which were close to blooming. Dogwoods too. Glad I didn't plant tomatoes yet.
Another Day. Another Democrat pleads guilty. This one is especially satisfying – an Obama lackey on the border.
Former Hidalgo County Sheriff Lupe Trevino (D) — he stepped down a couple of weeks ago — has pleaded guilty today to federal charges of money laundering, according to the McAllen Monitor.
Just 17 days after stepping down as sheriff and three days after his former chief of staff entered a related plea, Treviño stood before U.S. District Judge Micaela Alvarez and pleaded guilty for his part in laundering campaign contributions that were tied to a convicted drug trafficker. Testimony in court this morning suggested that the amount of money laundered could be anywhere between $70,000 and $120,000.
Trevino presided over a sheriff's department that has been accused of a wide range of corruption. The Hidalgo County Sheriff's department falsified crime statistics to serve both Trevino's and the Obama administration's political interests. In an exclusive hidden-camera video, a crime analyst with the Hidaldo County Sheriff's Department admitted that she and others within the department including Trevino himself change the way in which crimes are classified in order to improve the overall statistics.
♫ Lupe, Lupe ♫
What are you going to do?
Five big black men
Have taken a liking to you. :smile:
An Obama/Holder pardon is surely forthcoming…
Rutherford Lilly may be unhappy because she is "living a lie" Powerline Sept 20 2008.
" For decades, the Supreme Court has recognized that the limitations period in a Title 11 case can be extended or tolled in such circumstances. Tolling is available when in other situations, the plaintiff has no reason to suspect discrimination at the time of the disputed event.
But Ledbetter did not argue that the limitations period should be in her case, and for good reason, Ledbetter testified that she knew by 1992 that her pay was out of line with her peers. In 1995, she spoke to her supervisor abut the problem telling him that "I knew definitely that they were all making a thousand at least more per month and that I would like to get in line." Yet Ledbetter waited until 1998 to file her EEOC complaint,.
This delay is particularly difficult to understand given that fact that , in 1982, she had filed a sexual harrasment complaint with the EEOC. That dispute was settled without litigation shortly thereafter. Had Ledbetter followed the same course with her pay claim, she would have had her day in court, and Good Year would have had a fair chance to defend itself,That this did not occur is Ledbetter's fault.,
Ledbetter testified under oath that she knew she was earning less than her male counterparts. Three years later, she said she learned this through an synonymous note. her lack of knowledge countermanded the statue of limitations through tolling,
In the words of Joe Wilson "You lie."
Tex my sympathies. You have gotten some of the cold air which gave us a snow storm. Omaha's early morning commute yesterday was a mess with three people dead. It is 20 this morning with milder weather forecast, especially next week,
Obama and his minions are far worse than Nixon. For example, Nixon had enemies lists as Obama has, Though he may have fantacized doing it , Nixon did not use the IRS to attack political enemies.
We know Obama is destroying this country as it was. We don't know that incompetence is responsible,. If you read Obama's history and about his mentors, our trajectory seems to be on track., Obama may be incompetent, but those behind him are not. This is by design,
We need to show no deference to criminals who hide behind the honor of their offices,. One can respect the office while excoriating actions of people who don't deserve to hold positions of power,
Ah shoot James,
We had it easy compared to you blokes. We didn't get any ice or snow. I had to laugh Sunday night. Down here, we have a color coded country map transposed on the screen if there are weather warnings – probably the same in NE/IA. I'm sitting in shorts and a t-shirt with the house at 74 degrees and the ceiling fans running.
I thought this was at first a typo when the warning map flashed on the screen.
On side of the state (mine), we were all under a tornado watch and it was 85. On the west side of the state, they were under a winter storm warning with possible white out conditions. LOL. WTH?
In fact, I don't think it got any colder than 34 degrees last night if my thermometers are right which still comes pretty close to hitting a record low.
But that could be a killer for our flowering plants since we had zero breeze.
regards Nixon and Obama. It's an even race as to who caused the greatest damage. The American left focusses on Watergate, but Watergate was trivial when compared to Nixon's abandonment of the Bretton Woods Accord, thus freeing his and all subsequent administrations to buy votes with printed money. Obama's socialism can be combated on some level; debasement of the currency is extremely difficult to deal with; it has brought down country after country, and there's no reason the believe that America fare any better than the rest.
"Is there anything more beautiful than the heavens on a dark night?"-Tex
It's awesome.
I got up all excited to see the moon and saw nothing but a blizzard. I think we might have more then 3 inches of snow right now. It was 15 degrees this morning. Not getting over freezing.
Wasted breath James. All of what you said is the SCOTUS opinion in the underlying case. Obama and his minions shout "LIlly Leadbetter" because it sounds like something — a victim who's wrong has now been set right along with all of other oppressed women out there.
So long as know one spends time thinking about it, then Obama can sell it as something bigger than it was. And, as always, he can take the lack of investigation by his followers to the bank. Just like $.77 for every dollar, Obamacare, Unemployment, economy, GM, global warming. . . just keep shouting "republican injustice" or "victory" and they'll accept it without question.
"and they'll accept it without question"
And there lies the problem we sometimes compartmentalize.
The debate has been won, and it doesn't matter. You can see it here with Rutherford and I see it with other libs.
Shoulder shrugs. We now even see apathy towards what used to be liberal Doric columns if it in any way tarnishes "team".
They believe in nothing except winning election via freebies and division.
Obama…soon Hillary……winners for sure. But every single principle held by libs have died on the vine.
Why do you think its so hard for Rutherford to make a meaningful comment not alone his blog. He's got nothing.
I have about 6 more years in me….and then…well…..
"You liberals better get your shit straight…because if you don't, tomorrow will only be worse. And it will take a lot more than drones or waterboarding to fix it."
Never. They are getting precisely what they want. Remember: They are "dreamers." Reality is an obstacle to overcome with wishful thinking and an optimistic, unquestioning attitude that all other posses their values — or will posses them once they see what dreamers they are!
Ignore all of the damage and the fact that they haven't figured out that their strategy of decree towards their own and appeasement of their enemies has resulted in the opposite of what they dream about. It's bumper sticker politics with the mentality of a love struck teenage girl.
If you can dream it, you can live it! You've just got to believe in your own virtue and ignore the wreckage. That's all.
Huck @ #155 – excellent summary.
Tex, I have ripe tomatoes already. More than we can eat. Of course we had one plant survive the 'winter' and it has some serious fruit on it.
No doubt, there's some advantages to living in the Valley of the Sun. :smile:
Got to throw the occasional bone to our bartender and admit though ObumaHolder the most visibly corrupt, damaging and crooked, let me admit to you "R", The "Repugs" have their share of pond scum.
Headline: BANANA REPUBLICANS: New Head Of Virginia GOP on Eric Cantor's Payroll
Cantor always came across as the proverbial greasy elitist to me – never did care much for him.
Ain't that some shit.
Frog March him too.
"Yup snow in mid April. Nothing to see here. Just move on."
Huh? In which location mentioned doesn't this occur?
Is this more of your dumb anecdotal evidence of global warming — that hasn't been occurring for a decade as admitted by anthropogenic warmists?
Sorry Rabbit recently declassified documents show what was always suspected by the left … torture didn't do shit. Zero Dark 30 is fucking fiction.
Do you know something the interrogators didn't, Rutherford? Because they say interrogation did work. And that was with those 183 'brutal' 10 second water boardings of KSM. Lame…
By the way. If Zero Dark 30 was totally fiction, why did the Obama Adm. howl so upon its release? Because Obuma did wait 132 days or thereabouts to finally give the order making him look lame.
GM Lives and Osama is dead! Hooray!
** Guffaw **
Study finds signs of brain changes in pot smokers
Do imbeciles really believe weed is good for you? Told you so…expect a generation of brain dead adults on the horizon. Upside for you, Rutherford.
Millions of new Obumba, Hillary Rotten voters.
My first inclination was to concede there is, in fact, a legitimate ethical argument to be made against water boarding and that the effectiveness is indeed controversial.
But then I read your other comments, remind myself just how ignorant you are…..and it pains me to say it…..you are beneath me.
Didn't Prince, from the Midwest, have a song called Sometimes in Snows in April, dunce?
I lift my leg and piss on this blog like a German Shepard or….more accurately….sniff the blog turd like one would.
I'd be better off playing Angry Birds. This place sucks because the blog host is a moron.
Rutherford, if you find these questions too personal then just consider them rhetorical and don't bother answering. I'm just curious about some of your recent remarks.
When you mentioned that your health insurance was the second largest monthly expense – does that include your tax burden?
I assume when you had health insurance through your employer it was not the second highest monthly expense after housing, is that right?
You said you were saving $500 a month on health insurance through the exchange. Are you comparing that to what it would have cost you to keep the same insurance you were on before? When Cobra runs out they tell you what it will cost to keep the insurance but pay the whole cost yourself – is that the figure you're using for the $500 savings figure?
What's your yearly deductible on your new insurance?
Lastly, is your position on the April cold snap that "something's wrong but [you] have no idea what it might be?"
Always beware when the selling point starts "it's not as bad as …"
It's a lot worse that not as bad, Brother "R." It's being parlayed as being "good for that which ails us…"
I don't give a damn if somebody smokes weed for recreational use – as long as they don't get behind a wheel, operate in the general public like operating a backhoe or a fair ride, and leave it in the house. Don't get the crap around me or my kids. You demand it for cigarettes. I don't want to smell the ganja as it smells like shit.
The argument for legalization I absolutely disdain as I disdain all things based on a false premise and a pack of lies. Medical use. Pffft…My ass. These dopehead shops out in Colorado are high value targets as far as I'm concerned. McVeigh picked the wrong building.
If THC has some beneficial medical aspect, and I don't doubt it does because most of our medicines are derived from nature like plants (like the periwinkles growing in my lawn), then refine the THC in pill form or injection form where it can be monitored for purity and control.
This is great stuff off Twitchy. These Libs are getting busted faster for mendacity than I can keep up.
Read Donna Brazille, Hillary Rotten Lip Licking Lackey and Liar, lie to Donna Brazille. LOL! Imbecile…
"Always beware when the selling point starts "it's not as bad as …" -R
Fucking Classic.
"Russians are mad at Turkey" -A
Have the Russians ever not been mad at Turkey?
It aint Peter or Moscow….deep down they see Constantinople as their capital.
Considering how sick of stink beards I am…..even Turkish ones …..I'd almost wouldn't mind an Orthodox mass in the Hagia Sophia, considering their plans to be assholes and make it a mosque again.
"because he [Cheney} (perhaps) fabricated a pretext" -Hucking
We can't let him go on that stupidity. Nobody "fabricated" anything. The entire world, including Democrats in Congress, thought S.H. had chemical weapons. S.H. pretended he had chemical weapons!
The fact is that it was a classic war. People on both sides didn't understand one another. We didn't get how important the posturing from S.H. was. He didn't get how paranoid we were post 911. Comparable to World War I, even.
It's fair to lambast Bush for starting a war on false intelligence. It's also ok to arm chair quarterback a world with or without S.H.
It's ignorant to say the Vice President lied us into the war to. This makes Rutherford a dunce.
Didn't some
imbecile'mediocre' President once tell us a few years back that al Qaeda was on the run and decimated?
Unsettling video shows large al Qaeda meeting in Yemen
GM Lives! Just not the drivers of their vehicles.
So let's talk about WMD.
Stink beard pep rally.
Well…boys…..I'm going to my cabin (unarmed) …..and meeting my …cough….err….. tenant.
If you don't here from me by Friday….I'm a dead dead rabbit.
I'm banking on the mere sight of me….mixed with my foul mood as of late….makes him move out. Not going to say anything to him. Just take a tour of the shit hole.
Sorry James. Can't stand it any more. First move.
Sometimes, not often, the WSJ does a better job of summarizing my own conclusions better than I do (in writing). I guess that is why they are called 'professional' journalists.
Rutherford, I don't want to insult you personally. I don't even want to pile on since you're last man standing. Lurker is useless to you, because he or she is so transparently dishonest, they're more court jester than ally to you.
There's a chance, an outside one, you've finally come to an impasse and decided that you've been hoodwinked. You won but it didn't work out like you dreamed.
I understood in 2008 – lifetime of surrounding by like mind. I gave up on you in 2012 because I no longer felt you were making any attempt at pursuing truth and had become a cheerleader for dishonest brokering. And I still don't think you were truthful in the time leading up to the 2012 election.
But if you're really interested in what my beef is with Obama, and the Democratic Party in general, read this article. I wish I had written this…
Coalition of the Disappointed – Obama fires up racial and gender resentments to get out the vote.
507 Parker, it is a matter of opinion.
Maybe you are right that abandoning Breton Woods Accord was a greater sin than Obama's accelerating our trip to socialism, but my opinion differs. Our currency may have been debased, but the US is still functioning, and many of us are still living well. Once a crash happens, a majority of us will suffer. Obama's policies chooses winners and losers.
Obama's IRS scandal explores the border of fascism, because IRS practices single out perceived enemies for special sanctions. For example, Ron Paul is ordered to release the names of his donors or face fines. Even if the IRS requirement is legitimate, the request combined with what we already know destroys trust in our government and its institutions. That and the lies about ObamaCare are just two dangerous developments the Democrats have given us.
Rutherford Paul Woodward and an AP reporter were guests on network Fox News on Sunday. The Ap reporter said the liberal press is not paying attention to the scandals because there is little information. A couple of panelists called her on it and noted that if Republicans had been the evil doers, networks would have covered the stories with the intensity they reported the missing air liner when little new information was available.
Woodward agreed and said his list of suspicious actions is probably longer than theirs. He said Republicans should be more focused. The press is also at fault.
Benghazi while not directly affecting us is grounds for impeachment
because it is the result of a failed military policy tied to the Arab Spring which Obama to wanted to show he had won the war against terror, The policy was based on a lie, and when it unraveled, the administration lied some more.
I was once tortured, and I have a slight VA recorded disability to show for it. Waterboarding is not physical torture. It is psychological torture, and its survivors have fewer physical reminders than I do.
Good luck rabbit. You know better than I how to handle it,.
I am sure those folks are harmless. If It was I, I wouldn't go alone, and I would carry a hidden camera or tape recorder. I would be friendly and I would take note of any household items I could use as a weapon if it turned ugly.
Who knows? You might even decide you like each other.
550, I saw that, Alfie.
If Cheney lied, so did Bill Clinton Kerry and most of the Democrats
Go back further and remember when Carter angrily said the Soviets had hood winked him, and he advocated greater military spending to replace his policy of weakening us. I believe Carter unwittingly contributed to our present difficulty with Islamic Jihadists.
He doesn't give a shit.
You're right.
At all? I've never received an answer as to why people were dressing their nothing burger by invoking the 5th Amendment.
Why are Eric Holder, Elijah Cracka Cummings, and Lois Lerner not in a federal pen would be my next question.
"At all? I've never received an answer as to why people were dressing their nothing burger by invoking the 5th Amendment."
Yes you did. You cannot overcome MSNBC's lack of interest in it, so. . . "it doesn't matter."
Can we please get back to the discussion of grievances created by identity politics that R does wish to participate in? This other stuff is no fun and doesn't feel like it's helping Obama.
Yes you did. You cannot overcome MSNBC's lack of interest in it, so. . . "it doesn't matter."
Heh! ** Guffaw **
"I know you hate this but the best adjective to describe Benghazi is muddled."
I think Hillary said it better R.
James: "Waterboarding is not physical torture. It is psychological torture, and its survivors have fewer physical reminders than I do."
They may have fewer PHYSICAL reminders, but one wonders if some would trade their emotional scars for yours.
So, what kind of – let's call it "coercion" – is allowed? Is, say, breaking a bone not allowed, even though it heals, but near-drowning sensations that scar one's psyche and bring about a lifetime of nightmares – not?
The real question, it seems to me, is: what things are OK on this slippery slope; what things are not, and where do you draw the line between OK and not-OK?
"You and Alfie have better FP chops than I do. Do you believe Iran would be the same threat today if Saddam's Iraq still existed?"
A valid question. But then I remember your leftist dunce-ology about the war being due to "Cheney's lies" and well…..
Ps….Benghazi makes me want to puke because of the lies…….the lies Rutherford….the movie….the useful idiot Rice on every TVs channel spreading falsehoods…..and Hillary telling us it doesn't matter.
You are such a moron. And you are legion. Millions of you.
near-drowning sensations that scar one's psyche and bring about a lifetime of nightmares – not?
Are you parroting Leftist bullshit to create a stink, or are you really that confused and uninformed while parroting MSNBC bullshit? There's well documented evidence, including video, showing KSM was "tortured" for all of 10 seconds at a time. To read this horseshit, some of you make it sound like we pushed three mass murderers into a coma 183 times. A slap in the face would have been more emotionally trying.
Imbeciles that can't discern between real torture and psychological enhanced techniques bewilder me – but not nearly as much as political expediency of apparent sympathies for scum like the master planner of the murder of 3,000 people on a Tuesday morning 13 years ago. That's enabling real murder with pretentious piety. It's nauseating. It's stupidity at its worst.
I'm no longer confused why America is so lost. We've got a zillion amoral people playing sympathy for the devil of the world's smallest fiddle. We've finally hit critical masses of dumbasses.
SOBs like KSM should have been skinned alive. They should have pulled his head off with a tractor after they extracted every bit of information. That's what that mofo deserved and would have gotten by The Greatest Generation before they tossed his corpse to the dogs or shipped his headless corpse home to crawl to Allah.
We're not better because we pretend to be good. What the hell happened to the practice of justice in this country? We don't even recognize the enemy anymore. The Tea Party is most wanted.
It's like asking our soldiers to play nurse maid in a war – a recipe for crisis, a guaranteed loss. Kill the bastards before they kill you and your children given half a chance to saw your head off like Daniel Pearl.
This phony passivity is nauseating and exactly what thugs like Vladamir Putin use against us – Obama the dullest figurehead and useful idiot.
Wake up people, before it is you that has a blade to your throat while your wife savaged. Our enemies understand only one thing. Strength. Human nature remains the same.
Perhaps this is why Vladamir Putin laughs at us while his pisses on our leg?
The First Selfie. instagram.com/p/m3z66SlwW4/ http://t.co/rKfaULQicl—
Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) April 17, 2014
Please tell me you're a little bit embarrassed, old friend.
Let me rephrase the question to James, who has real life experience.
re "torture:"
What things (torture methods, coercion, whatever you want to call it) are OK on this slippery slope; what things are not, and where do you draw the line between OK and not-OK?
You will notice that is phrased as a question – because that is what it is – a question.
Parker, I don't give a damn about their emotional scars if they are guilty. The men who were water boarded or otherwise harassed were guilty of crimes against the US, At least the men cited as "tortured" were guilty. They committed evil acts, and if they bear emotional scars, good. I hope they wake up in the night in cold sweats.
I'm not advocating gratuitous mistreatment which doesn't work, but if it works, use it, and try not to leave visible marks. I cope with my scars, Let them cope with theirs,
rabbit I draw the line with physical beatings, including electric shocks or something else terribly painful. Brief waterboarding does not cross the line. I think mind games work better than physical suffering.
A person is likely to say anything the interrogator wants just to ease the pain. One might threaten with a harmless sample which creates only a few minutes of pain such as pulling fingers too far apart, I think imagination and threats of real torture work better than the actual deed.
Anticipation and imagination play with the mind. Anticipation of slow drowning after a water boarding sample is a good terror inducing action, I think,
One should convince the prisoner he is on his side and is saving him from a terrible fate–a variation of good cop, bad cop. The questioner should know a little of the prisoners' background so they can relate to each other as people on some level If not for the war they might have been friends.
During WW11, a missionary in Japan questioned Japanese prisoners who's code of honor dictated they were better dead then captured. He knew the country and its people because he had lived there. Many of the prisoners wanted to share what they knew because they had bonded with their interrogator.
I read several interrogators in Afghanistan used a variation of the missionary's methods with some success.
Occasional, unpredictable sleep deprivation which follows no discernable pattern combined with the Theme from Barney or eight hours of Sami chants which drain the soul should be used, if they are proven to work. Eivor's Trolubunden is a good example of the use of music as a weapon. Sami and early Scandinavians believed that someone could capture a soul with music. Bad music may not capture souls, but it can play with minds
Those are my thoughts and my line, rabbit. They may be wrong, but they are mine,… ,
Rutherford, you disputed me when I wrote that liberals in general don't like military people. I wrote that political correctness keeps them from overtly expressing their views.
Please explain Veterans and White Supremacy by Kathleen Belew in the New York Times April 15. Or New York Times finds no connection to Jihad , yet Op-ed finds Extremist pattern among Vets News Busters April 17.
Rutherford, you still aren't getting what Cheney said about Saddam right. It was no different than what Hillary Clinton said – who also voted to go to war. It was the pursuit of fissile material – not holding a nuke, dimwit. Does your memory work? Why do you think Israel blew Saddam's reactors to hell more than 30 years ago? Now why do you clowns and dunces on the Left think the idea so farfetched that Saddam was holding fissile material?
Remember James Woods, the actor? He's a damn good actor too. But you don't see him in movies much anymore because he committed the egregious sin of not being Lefty. Did I mention Woods also scored 800 on one portion of the SAT? That's another reason he's not a Lefty. :smile:
Wow…our biggest geopolitical threat (al Qaeda) is holding huge meetings and Obama does nothing because he is too distracted with the bloodless Cold War that's been over since the 1980s.
Of course. There wasn't an American in attendance. :wink:
Miss America is better looking.
It is 51 today with warmer weather forecast next week. We will be home for a week, and I will start to plant our garden. We usually don't see 95 until July,.
Ace of Spades linked to a story by Major Garrot about Obama's 77 cent wage gap. It was a lie, and the president knew it. The administration was trolling to publicize the issue for ignorant voters,
A top White House adviser told me last week's pay gap dust up was a 'perfect' example of stray voltage.This time, it was premeditated." The theory of stray voltage came from former senior adviser David Plouffe. Controversy breeds attention, attention provokes conversation, and conversation embeds previously unknown or marginalized ideas to the public.
James, I think you confused me with Parker earlier and directed a comment at me that you meant for him.
James@596. I think your answer shows what the problem is: "They are guilty." Guilty in whose eyes?
If Americans invade my country and I snipe several of them from ambush, am I "guilty?" The Germans thought so, when the French Maquis started shooting THEM, and started lining up 50 French and shooting them anytime that happened. Who was guilty there? The Maquis?
I agree that the Saudis are religious nuts. No problem there. But when the US supports the sheiks that oppress and starve the population while they live in solid gold luxury, maybe doing anything you can to get the Yanks out of Riyadh looks pretty good to them – including knocking down a few buildings. Of course, I don't think it was justified, but I can surely see how some of those nuts might disagree.
Sometimes you need to see yourself as others see you. The last time the Swiss went adventuring in a foreign war was in the 1500's or thereabouts. Nobody is knocking down their buildings, or even trying. (Yes, I know about the armed Swiss citizen and all the Swiss security apparatus.)
Maybe Americans need to climb down off their high horses and seriously think about why the world hates them, and perhaps they wouldn't have to be always printing money to cover all their unnecessary wars. Maybe they could even go back to actually making stuff, instead of destroying it.
Just a thought…
Saudis starve their people? I assume that was a metaphor.
Saudis pay their people handsomely to be chained.
The problems found within Saudi society ain't America's fault. Or Australia's.
If it wasn't for us they'd be led by Viceroys Uday and Qusay.
I love to comment using Facebook on these Leftist sites with these small 'c' communists coming unglued at their failures. LOL. I've never read the Left more enraged in this country than I have the past couple of weeks. Rubbing salt in their wounds is a treat. You wouldn't believe the crap I get in response. All kinds of threats…
Let's knock off the doublespeak and get it on.
Sorry rabbit.
Parker, All that matters is guilty in "my" eyes. Even Hitler and Stalin as you implied, at one level felt they were doing God's work and believed they were empowering their people. Had they won, they would have been nominated for the equivalent of saint hood. The same applies to jihadists.who blow up people. They believe their cause is just.
If they hurt "me" their cause is unjust. I don't care what they think. I care that they and their heroic efforts to create justice for themselves are stopped.
In such a situation, two ideologies and world views cannot both win if they are in conflict. One will eventually win, and the guilt will be transferred to the loser.
Sometimes seeing ourselves as the world sees us is an effective strategy we can use to our advantage.
I don't care if the world hates us. I care if the world doesn't fear us and their lack of fear becomes disdain, We don't have to exert our power through military invasions. Bribery and intimidation are also effective, Russia in Ukraine demonstrates that power trumps good will, So does the first of the Ukrainian revolution,
We are waging a similar battle for the soul of our country. Right now, the left and liberal press is becoming unhinged because it knows the tide of battle has turned. It isn't because the right has become effective. The left is doing it to itself. The right is also becoming more angry with talk of revolution or insurrection as it watches progressives destroy our country.
Obama's intentional lies about the $.77 pay gap are the latest example Another is threats against Tex. when he pokes them on social media.
R – Nice, commonsense article in Forbes about the tort lottery in America:
You might say, "Who cares?" but remember, the monies paid in runaway-jury cases ultimately come from you, the consumer. The Long Island obstetrician, paying $176,000 in premiums every year, will NOT charge you and your wife the same fee to deliver your baby as will the OB in California, who "only" pays $50,000. He doesn't pay his malpractice insurance; YOU do.
James – I appreciate your candor. A rarity, at best.
My point – a question really – is, do we in the West really want to go down that road? And if we do, shouldn't we not be hypocrites about it, and just say: "I'm bigger than you and I'm going to stomp your arse to get my way, because I can," instead of preaching to the world how holy and right we are? Nobody believes that rubbage, except Americans, anyway. Just fooling yourselves.
I don't know where the line is, either. The general consensus is that torture is torture, whether you leave scars or just terrorize people by near-drowning. There is no question that it DOES work to some degree, but is it worth it? John McCain, who suffered considerable torture, says it's not. You say it is. I wonder, though, how much you really gain by behaving exactly like your enemy.
A yes, PF goes exploring for a the out of control verdicts.
The article is flawed from top to bottom but I'm not going to bother with you about it. You really don't get it no matter how much you of courtroom experience (yeah, they really show to someone that knows better).
As P&S caps, I am reminded of one of the cases I handled as a young clerk where a family man was burned over 90% of his body from a defective industrial petroleum valve. It was horrific. He was a family man with young children and writhed in agony struggling to survive his injuries. No amount of morphine was sufficient. Years and years of surgeries and rehab. He's deformed and will experience incredible pain the rest of his life.
Fortunately, dumbfucks like you think they have found a solution through legislative damages caps because P&S is "subjective." Wouldn't want a "runaway jury" sneak past every tier of appellate review to hold on to an unjust verdict — so let's eliminate the awards altogether.
Now, back to your war on the domionists that are taking over the country. . .
"You really don't get it no matter how much you lie about your courtroom experience (yeah, it really shows to someone that knows better)."
James @620 — precisely.
Thanks, Parker and El Tigre..
I'd like to see a better world as you do, but we must live with what we have. More of life than we know is biologically based. From baby eagles to national empires, power is the final arbiter.
I don't think the West has any choice but to take that road. If we don't Russia, China, Islam or another group will happily take the road. I don't think that based on history, life would be better for the majority of the world. As Chris Rea sang it would be "The Road to Hell."
Hypocracy works because it is more diplomatic than rubbing nations' faces in our throwing our weight around. For example, Russia is inciting rebellious activity in Ukraine while they threaten to invade, not for aggressive reasons but for humanitarian concern for bullied Russian language speakers.
" A spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down. " "Smile when you say that pardner." demonstrate the power of deception and hyprocacy. It is a face saving device for other nations who chose to accept our help. By including others, we let them own part of our empire building. The Romans followed that course as they changed Celts, Briits, North Africans, and others into Roman citizens .
If you will recall, I believe psychological torture combined with unpredictable and novel physical attacks work with a good cop, bad cop giving the prisoner a case of the Stockholm Syndrome. I watched it in basic training. Recruits tend to identify with their oppressors, the TI's.
McCain was subjected to the outer limits of torture. That is different from what I describe. Mind games have a better chance of success.
"How much do you really gain by behaving exactly like your enemy?" Victory.
I'm not suggesting we do this, but dental work has a good torture potential, even if it is unintentional If, for example one injects Lidocain as far down the throat as possible in someone able to fight the gag reflex, anesthetic leaks out and runs down the throat. Moreover, the swallow. reflex is impaired.
Another option is several hours of oral surgery without anesthetic.
I believe the bad guy did a root canal on Dustin Hoffman's character in Marathon Man.
"Like every social program it will evolve and become more effective."
What the fuck are you talking about?????
Seriously, I want to know what social programs that have evolved to become more effective that Rutherford is talking about.
Nothing from this administration has evolved other than it's lies about. . . well everything.
None of this is fixable, either.
It's over.
and none of us are the kind of men that can fix this shit…..
But then I find out that Walmart workers on their feet all day long make less than I do.
Gosh…..it wouldn't be because Wallmart fucking loves lobbying for food stamps!!
Bundy is from what I can see, a criminal. He owes the government lots of money. So how many of you rally around him?
I did.
Let me explain. There is no doubt Bundy is on the wrong side of the law. He's guilty as charged in a court of law, not once but twice.
However, they have grazed cattle on that land for 200 years – before the federal gov't took ownership. What is costing the United States over $1,000,000 for letting a few hundred cattle graze on land that goes unused?
I'm weighing the needless regulation and loansharking of our corrupt federal government vs. a citizen. I want to know how 400 cattle feeding on grass calculates to over a $1,000,000 in cost.
I want to know what justifies 200 armed men with automatic rifles to make the arrest. I want to know what gives the federal government right to round up the man's cattle, then not be able to account for many of them.
I want to know what Rutherford Lawson doesn't understand about our concern with heavy handed tactics and government overreach. I want to know what Rutherford Lawson doesn't understand about the law of proportionality.
This is a government completely out of control, abusing its authority with strong armed tactics – jackboots by another name. Just like they did at Ruby Ridge; just like they did at Waco; just like the IRS does by targeting Conservative groups; just like the EPA does with small business.
I loathe our federal government anymore, Rutherford. And not just because of Obama. Because they now consider themselves our masters instead of reasonable public servants.
Why is you condemn business for what you perceive as unfair practices, but you turn a blind eye to an abusive practice of government against simple citizens?
This is what people are fed up with on my side. Many times you can be quite reasonable – like you are with abortion. Now would be another time for a call of introspection.
"Why is you condemn business for what you perceive as unfair practices, but you turn a blind eye to an abusive practice of government against simple citizens?" -Tex
Rancher was wrong skin color for Rutherford and his gang.
Plus, the rancher can survive perfectly without the government. They hate that deep down more then anything.
Economics dictate wages and hiring. Other factors intervene, of course, but economics drives business and consumer behavior. Wall=Mart is an efficient international company. It cuts prices to as low as it can afford. It, like most businesses, pays as little as it can to maintain the talent it needs to maintain a profit.
Rutherford, your employer apparently thinks it must pay you more to keep you. Something keeps Wal-Mart employees at their stores and away from your business.
If you are working at home, you also have anciiary pay. You don't have to pay for gas and auto depreciation to drive to work.
The two wages are not unfair. They are the market place at work.
Medicare is a poor example, Rutherford. it is like an undetected cancer which will eventually overwhelm its host. The number of old people on Medicare is growing as the number of young workers who support them shrinks.
Medicare, in its present form cannot survive. Russia and several other European countries understand the bleak fate which awaits welfare states. Russians, for example give child bearing couples appliances and money to have children during child making holidays,
Young people will not make back what they pay into the system. ObamaCare was built to take a bite out of Medicare to finance the government medical insurance policies. Medicare is trouble without change.
Don't trust the government or the press, Rutherford. They are not showing us the nuance.
`Clive Bundy is no more a criminal than civil rights protesters who staged restaurant sit ins. The Bundy family has maintained their ranch for over 160 years, and during that time, they paid required grazing fees.
In 1993, the Bureau of Land Management changed the rules on a tract of land to protect a desert tortoise. Curiously, they decided the tortoise could fend for itself in another piece of land which developers promised greater returns than ranches.
Bundy thought he was being treated unfairly and stopped paying grazing fees. He also accused the government of violating Nevada's state sovereignty. Bundy claims he will pay fees to Clark County.
The government over reacted and made a mess of it. It makes one wonder if more of these actions are in our future. Are those people becoming our rulers?
Two courts have ruled against the Bundy family, I think. I believe Bundy has a legitimate complaint, but the government has a claim too. This should go up to a higher court–maybe the Supreme Court.
Or, they could let Bundy pay Clark County and take the money from Clark County.
I despise Wallmart. Ultimate bait and switch. Don't pay their employees a living wage and then lobby the shit out of the government for an expanding welfare state.
The masses think they are getting a good deal but end up paying for those employees one way or the other, on the back end.
Then the damn food stamps all get cashed in at Wallmart where its bonus time. Its like a terrible loop.
Plus…..what garbage. Corn syrup riddled food, Chinese plastic shit and bad beer.
Not to mention the insane asylum that seems to be always meandering the store.
Ugliest women on the planet (Outside of Ireland of course) work there too.
Huck, I don't feel informed enough to take this very far. But isn't there a long tradition of grazing cattle on public land? In other words half of all cattle graze that way?
You might be correct. But…if Obama can play games with rule of law, why can't that rancher? Particularly when its so clear he's getting fucked over.
I'm not sure if we have reached a tipping point when it comes to rule of law. If we have….then by all means….I'm rooting for the cowboy.
I am not a fan of Wal Mart either, but they are good at what they do.
The Bundy family did built that The trouble is they did it on government land, The Federal government owns a large percentage of western land. Yes, there is a long tradition of grazing cattle on federal land.
Everything was fine until the government changed its rules and favored non ranchers. Two court decisions, I think ruled against Bundy, but the BLM didn't have to invade the ranch as if it was a foreign country.
The government over reacted, and because of that, like rabbit, I am rooting for the cowboy.
I think you make a pretty good point.
I'm dealing with a squatter right now. The guy has no idea how much rule of law is saving him. It scares me to think that only consequences create the buffer zone between him and I.
Nah….he is just a piece of trash trying to get a few extra months of rent free. He is the brother of the former renter. That's the only reason the cops don't frog March him out.
I'm enjoying the whole thing, in a sick way. Its a back woods dump that I am buying off my wife's uncle. Outside of a down payment, I don't stand much to lose. I don't officially own it until he leaves.
If Bundy was a black squatter in urban USA the same folks cheering rancher would be calling for his head.
Ugh. More Barack Obama than Ben Carson. Somewhat surprising too as I think more of you than that.
Not if the Feds had been accruing interest and fines at 20%+ for his dogs shitting on the grass, then approached the black owner with m16s and SWAT teams about loan shark restitution and a barrel to the temple, I wouldn't.
Now let me make an observation about your part of the globe, Alfie. One with more proof than that fallacious charge you just made.
When I witnessed that Boston Bombing last year, one observation stood out in the days that followed. For all that Rocky Marciano talk from these supposed hardened Bean Town dock workers, prodigy of ship immigrants and Minute Men, your statehood kin have become for the most part a bunch of emasculated polo lackeys that had no problem living in a police state.
When the time came, the "intellectuals" happily hid under their beds and in the closets while SWAT teams ransacked the neighborhood chasing one young hood. One of the most pathetic commentaries on American cowardice and wiling dupes for gentry I've ever witnessed.
Massachusetts won't go out with a bang but a bleat, a 200 year head start, political cronyism and nepotism, home of Camelot, notwithstanding.
We had an experience with possible adverse possession when we let a neighbor cross our land during harvest. Our lawyer told us to be careful lest he gain a permanent right to free passage.
My understanding of adverse possession from what he told us is it is a common law practice dating back many generations. The true owner must have a cause of action or trespass within the limits of a statute of limitations. A typical limitation is seven years if under color of title ( a deed found to be invalid) or twenty years possession if not.
A person claiming adverse possession must show actual possession for an extended period of time and the occupier must meet all conditions at all times.
The Bundy's meet some of those conditions, because they have operated their ranch on that land for generations.They did build it themselves with little help from the government except for the land the Bundys rented. They would have succeeded even if they had owned the land because they built it themselves.,
However, if the owner has granted permission to use the land, adverse possession fails. Some government land may be exempt from adverse possession,
I don't know how much of what our lawyer told us is accurate, but it makes sense.
I'm still rooting for the cowboys because the government over reacted. it was like sending a swat team to evict a normal family who refuse to vacate a house.
I'd be rooting for black inner city squatters as I did squatters in London and Wales during the 1960's. That movement began as an attempt to control empty properties for families on council waiting lists. They obviously couldn't stay in the empty buildings for long unless they could pay rent, etc. but I still sympathised with them.
I'm just wondering, Huck. Rabbit's legal authority is clearly being infringed upon.
Would you approve of Rabbit and his brothers sicking the dogs and tasering the squatter, then mowing down the squatter with automatic rifles if he still refuses to move while the squatter protects a Michigan tortoise, afterwards taking ownership of the squatter's possessions as payment in arrears?
Because here a few facts most not aware…
What most do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are authorized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due." The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for hundreds of years.
As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3.
Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM.
And the Empire strikes back!
I can tell I'm pretty ignorant on this. Who ever is the last one to stand up, grab their horn of mead and make a crafty argument-the Rabbit can be heard saying "Yeah….yeah….that's the ticket!
And lets be honest….nobody can do it like Tex!
Ah…the joys of being a simpleton. I'm back to my "Fed Can Go To Hell" position.
yes, the feds and any other government' can go to hell."
The Missuri River used to wander across its valley. Iowa and Nebraska claimed land from the river bank to the middle.Over the years, our part of the river shifted west and deposited more land on the eastern river bank. This accreted land belonged to the land owners who had purchased or homesteaded the original property. They paid taxes on the new land and ,
In time, our family and neighbors had an extra 600 acres of new land and they paid taxes on it for forty to sixty years. Most was in forest and some used to graze cattle. Some was farmed.
My great aunt died when I was in college. The state sent the families notice that they were expropriating the land for recreational uses. Tax receipts meant nothing and taxes wouldn't be refunded because the land had always belonged to the state of Iowa.
They found part of an old channel which they declared to be the river bank. It didn't matter to them that the old channel was dry except during floods, and even then, the main current was west of it A more logical claim would have been what is known as the high bank next to I 29. It was the eastern shore of the river when my ancestors were some of the first pioneers in the area to homestead and buy swamp land in 1853,. Even today, it is an obvious river bank.
The capricious nature of the land grab which vaguely resembles favoritism against the Nevada ranchers illustrated the government didn't care about the real channel of the river so as much as it wanted a select parcel of land for its recreational uses.
The families fought the theft in court. My father hired a photographer to show the main channel had shifted west. A geologist also testified in the families' favor. The families lost of course, because the judge was on the state's side. The families lawyer said "when you pay for a crooked lawyer and a crooked judge make sure they are on your side."
The state of Iowa used theft of our family property as a precident to take land around the Iowa Great Lakes.
Thanks, Tex, for doing the research none of us had the time for.
The BlM operated like fascists with arms and statements declaring part of the Constitution void in selected areas around the ranch,Their show of force was a provocation which could have become violent.
They could have taken the rent from the ranchers' cattle checks as the cattle were sold at auction or private treaty. The IRS could have taken any tax refunds to pay for the grazing fees.
Thanks again, Tex. I still support the ranchers.
Good luck rabbit.
Alfie, I agree with you to a point, But I believe you are wrong to write the Bundy's cattle exceeded the land's capabilities. They had grazed their land for generations, and they knew its carrying capacity. There was no sign they had damaged the land through over grazing, If the government declared the land overgrazed, it was an intention to get rid of the ranchers. The desert tortoise was declared endangered, but it didn't need to be protected on non ranch land,
The Insomniac Range War Kirsten Durst and Lois Lerner Grass
Roots Journal says as I wrote that the BLM has charged land developers to build on the tortoises' habitat, thus reducing the size of the habitat and threatening the tortoise's existance . The BLM used fees to operate a sanctuary, but when fees dwindled during the recession,managers killed the endangered tortoises.
As I wrote before, this case is filled with nuance which needs to be decided once and for all in court.
James, on what grounds could it go to a court of appeals?
This is a classic case of somebody getting screwed by government. But….has his rights been violated?
I don't know, rabbit, because I am not a lawyer. I don'tnow if Bundy's rights have been violated. I think a higher court should decide.
Bundy and the other ranchers were screwed. Their history of managing the land predates the government agencies which enforce the conditions of occupancy They apparently followed the rules.. Does that give the ranchers any rights of occupancy if they are treated unfairly? Bundy believes he has inherited inherent rights granted when his family homesteaded the land in 1877. The government often grandfathers new legislation, but this time the courts and government believe otherwise.
The government represents we citizens and manages our land. Bundy as a citizen also owns the land he grazes cattle on. Does the government have the right to capriciously change rules favoring one group over another as government agencies such as the BLM apparently did this time?
Can the government use unnecessarily disproportionate force to enforce its claims when other methods including negotiations might work? Can victims of such over reach collect damages?
The government could have gotten a judgement to confiscate the Bundy bank accounts and other assets. They could have put a lien on other property. Why did the government choose intimidation and threats of violence which was such a bad public relations strategy they were forced to back down?
I don't know the answers, and apparently none of the litigants does either. I believe a home owner evicting a family at gun point would get into trouble. A home owner has the right to be capricious as long as he/she hides any bigotry, but do these rules apply to the government?
Those are what I consider grounds for legal action– to clarify hazy places which are in dispute. A lawyer would probably tell me I am wrong, and I don't want to waste money asking a lawyer these questions.
Good job with the research, Huck. I like it. I agree the federal government is sovereign.
I also think citizens have a right or should have a right for compensation if the government over steps its rights and authority. Bundy and his allies believe he does have a case based in part on his ancestors' original agreement with the government. I think a court should decide.
Yes, as Martin Luther King said it is ok to break laws one considers unjust as long as one accepts the punishment. That to me includes illegal immigrants.
This discussion has been fun. I wish this blog had more of them where we can argue among our selves instead of constantly pounding on Rutherford.
Now, I have to leave to do some work.
No, I don't have anything mixed up, Huck. This is the same shit the EPA does to folks, to small business, to big business. It's called overreach. It's called bullying. It's called totalitarianism.
You and Alfie have obviously never had to deal with the Gestapo that is the Federal Government in any type of regulation or land dealing.
This is along the same guidelines as taxation without representation under a different banner, but the penalty is the same. Government dictate laws without hearing, established a set of rules for fees, and no one is given a chance for input or anything else to provide their case – restitution seldom offered. Government dictates penalty. This isn't representative government or a fair hearing. They've destroyed thousands of lives in the process.
Why do you believe Mr. Bundy has most ranchers/farmers in America on his side? Why do you think rural America has reacted the way it has? Apparently, Alfie is of the opinion this is a bunch of typical flyover country yahoos that don't know any better – lawless idiots and militia men. That's baloney. Perhaps without malicious intent, Alfie just insulted some of my own family who have fought many of these same property rights battles in their kangaroo courts. I don't think either one of you have much of a handle on what is really going on in rural America – rural America that helps feed you and keep you warm I might add.
Ask anybody that has had to deal with mineral rights on their land about the cooperation and reasonable nature of the Federal and State governments. You'll get one horror story after another. You ought to know that, Huck. Your local jackboots in conjunction with Fed SS have put much of the fertile valley of California out of business with their idiocy about water rights. And you're helping to pay for it in the grocery store and elsewhere.
I don't dispute Bundy is breaking the current law. Said so above. What I dispute is the proportionality and fairness of the law. And don't tell me to change the law then. They own the courts, they stack the courts with their environmental wacko pals. Thousands have tried. Virtually all have failed. I say hooray for Mr. Bundy. I'm glad somebody has said enough.
You make it sound as if our benevolent government has patiently waited without for Mr. Bundy to be reasonable. Nothing could be further from the truth. They've slapped exorbitant penalty on the man as threat for years with the very intent of putting him out of business, without any form of compensation. Most folded. He didn't.
So I'll ask again. How much grass does over $1,000,000.00 represent? How much water does $1,000,000.00 represent?
I'm back for a moment. Removing tin from an old roof is tiring.
Punishment comes with a court trial. That final trial hasn't yet happened. The courts ruled that Bundy has to pay the fees, but this could go higher for a final decision. According to what I read, the government has not seriously attempted to take the Bundys' money or any assets besides their cattle. If they had, this confrontation would have been more peaceful, and the government wouldn't have had to back down.
I believe the confrontation got ugly when hired cowboys began rounding up the cattle. One of the sons tried to stop them and was tasered, I think. I believe someone else was roughed up when he photographed the cattle in a truck. Our rural neighbors would have done the same.
Dead Rabbit's imaginary case is unrealistic because he is not the government. He would go to jail if he physically decided to kick the squaters out. It would be assault, because rules apply differently to private citizens. If the squatters' friends show up with guns, he can make sure the press and law know about it. If the squatters make threats, Rabbit can press charges. Letting them do it first gives Rabbit an advantage. The government would not have to restrain itself as the BLM just demonstrated. Rabbit would have to restrain himself.
My point of murky legality has just been supported by the lead story on Drudge. "Western Lawmakers talk Federal land take over." Representatives of nine states met to discuss the issue. Their meeting was scheduled before the Nevada land dispute, but it was on their minds.
Tex is right. I have already told you about our court adventures with Iowa. Did Bundy break the law because he had just had enough? Or was he a criminal who suddenly decided to bilk the United States out of money due it?
The man who started and ran the legal proceedings which took our land was out to inspect it after the case. He had to walk across a neighbor's land. Our neighbor approached him and ordered him off his property as he pointed a shot gun at him. The man left and never returned.
I could make a note that the Cattle ranchers assoc. has distanced itself from Bundy incident.
Actually, the statement is far more sympathetic with Bundy, IMO.
While distancing itself from the legal issues that prompted the Bureau of Land Management to round up Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy's range cattle then release hundreds of them as the threat of violence loomed, the conservative Nevada Cattlemen's Association issued a statement Wednesday that sympathizes with Bundy.
"The situation in Nevada stands as an example (of) the federal agencies' steady trend toward elevating environmental and wildlife issues over livestock grazing," reads the statement from Ron Torell, the cattlemen's group president.
The statement adds that ranchers like Bundy, who graze livestock on multiple-use public lands, which include habitat for the threatened desert tortoise and other federally protected species, "have found themselves with their backs against the wall as, increasingly, federal regulations have infringed on their public land grazing rights and the multiple-use management principle."
You'd be real surprised what represents "PUBLIC LAND", Mr. Alfie. My own experience in petroleum exploration provides one example.
How about restricting drilling rigs from too near 'easement'; or disallowing drilling rigs from driving over easement? It's bullshit politics of federal agencies to prevent drilling unless they get a larger cut.
I don't want to start a fight with either you or Huck. But I believe neither of you have a good idea of what is going on so called 'public domain', much less encroachment on private land.
If you did, I'm convinced you'd both be outraged and a little more sympathetic to the Bundy complaint. I agree with you, Bundy is breaking the law. But you are too conveniently ignoring what has transpired to this point.
Actually, you did…on a pretty basic level. In your example you wrote that the squatter wants to protect the tortoise.
I've often noted you concentrate much on the irrelevant meant in humor directed toward a 3rd party, in this case Rabbit, and completely miss the premise of the question, Huck. I try to ignore that I'm debating with a man that considers the U.N. model of Human Rights not moral turpitude but legitimacy of law.
Let's forget the tortoise analogy for your tedious, "academic" nature, teacher, and I'll concentrate on the basics….
but that the government has an obligation to enforce them. It's an obligation that was taken on when it was sworn in. It cannot get the job without accepting that obligation.
You're conveniently ignoring the fact that government has 'amended' the original law with federal regulations have infringed what was understood for more than 100 years to allow grazing rights and the multiple-use management principles. This wasn't even an issue for well over 100 years and it wasn't even enforced until some environmental types decided a tortoise was more important the dozens of families livelihoods.
Why was this not an issue say in 1985 and what now requires and army carrying automatic weapons to enforce those penalties in excess of $1,000,000.00?
You'll make a fine drone for the U.N., Huck. :wink:
That's the thing about diplomats that many don't understand…they don't always like the policies they represent. But they do their job.
So did Baghdad Bob. How many atrocities have been committed from a 'diplomat' just doing his job?
I would welcome that. I'd make a good living with which to support my family and my eventual retirement. That's the thing about diplomats that many don't understand…they don't always like the policies they represent. But they do their job.
Like stealing food out of the mouths of Iraqi babes, hey? Or raping the Congo women while wearing the blue helmet diplomatically? I always thought Libya and Cuba on council were wonderful human right's representatives.
No, you weren't clear at all and you didn't answer my question.
Why was this not an issue in 1985. Why now? Why are you now lending your tacit approval to allowing armed SWAT teams to throw 57 year old women to the ground and sick dogs on unarmed protestors?
I find it amusing after all the scolding you give Rutherford for being a Holder enabler, you're now sounding just like a Holder enabler, Buford T. Justice style. IT'S THE LAW!
692 Alfie, I agree the states shouldn't have all of the federal land, but the majority of their land area is owned and controlled by the federal government. I don't believe the states want all of the land. They want some of it, especially the areas with energy and other deposits.
Bundy and some of his supporters remind me of the folks who preached ways of legally evading federal income taxes. The Bundys sound like people fed up with capricious government regulations. I don't
know if there are legal grounds If so , this case should go to court. If they broke the law, they should pay the penalty, but the rules for government behavior should also be defined.
Huck, if the government collected the owed fees through liens etc, the cattle would no longer be grazing illegally on the land because the fees would have been paid. The government could either maintain the status quo or evict the family either physically or through penalties which would make operating the ranch financially impossible, Withholding would not let the family touch the owed money,
Yes, we may be infuriated by Eric Holder's refusal to obey laws or to enforce them unfairly, we are not falling to his level if we choose to disobey a law to make a political statement. I believe the Bundys. past behavior and statements indicate they are more then dead beats. We have a long tradition of civil disobedience.
We are no longer a land of laws, so I for one am being consistent. When the government resumes its obligation to uniformly enforce our laws I will change my mind about civil disobedience.
I do agree that the Bundys must pay what they owe It is part of civil disobedience,.
You all probably remember the Missouri Basin flood which left some of our land under water for over five months. I don't know enough of the facts to participate, but a large number of people believe they have legal grounds for a class action suit against the Corps of Engineers;
The government is so much powerful than individuals that we have little recourse but civil disobedince in front of television cameras or class action law suits. There aren't enough Bundys to go to court as Missouri Basin residents plan to do,
I like your comment about possibly sending ground troops to Poland. Estonia, Lativia and Lituania may not be far behind. I think Estonia has a larger percentage of Russian speakers than Ukraine. Even the Fins have privately expressed unease.
I think Finland is safe. If the Russians decided to take Finland, they would have a fight. The Fins drove out the Russian army during the Winter war and killed over 27,000 Russian troops. A Finish-Sami sniper called the White Ghost was credited with the most individual kills in a twentieth century war. I think he killed 900 Russians.
692, Rutherford, Bundy was purposely breaking the law because he thought it was an unfair regulation change,
Bundh doesn't recognize federal suzanry over his land. He believes Nevada should control the land and has offered to pay the fees to Clark County. I think he is wrong about that, but he deserves a complete court hearing. None western states are suggesting they should have control of more of the federal land within their borders, so Bundy's views have company.
I entered my kid in a Greco-Roman and Freestyle wrestling tournament in the sticks.
1. I shit you not, the Dads put on singlets and wrestled. Big country dudes. The look on my face was a mixture of disgust and utter respect.
2. My kid won the gold in freestyle. First time he ever did that.
3. My kid had to wrestle bigger kids in Greco-Roman. Got his ass kicked (he did beat a girl).
No biggie. He loses all the time. But this time he cried over losing. Twice! Balled his eyes out. Wtf?
I was disgusted but didn't know how to handle it.
That shit is unacceptable in my eyes but apparently crying after a loss is OK by some people in this sport. I say fuck that. He's only 4, but he has never been this way.
Nothing wrong with crying after losing a decision. Competition does that in a kid and generally motivates to get better. I saw college aged players bawl after losing an NCAA basketball game from the disappointment.
Now, I find it tedious and a bore like a Huck excuse for duplicity and a lack of real life experience, somewhat like Rutherford's Peter Pan dreams of teaching the world to sing or the U.N. legitimacy of sound judgment, when I see grown men do it for the camera in professional sports. There's a point where maturity should outweigh the disappointment and lack of ability to discern effectiveness from fraud, good from evil.
But your son is a long way from that. If it affects him over a period of days, that's different. If it's immediately after a match, it's natural. For what it's worth.
Cliven Bundy from his words and actions is engaging in civil disobedience. He is not a criminal, though he broke a regulation after his family followed government rules until the DLM changed its policies.
Edward Snowdon damaged the US intelligence gathering offices of our government, but he also did us a service by showing the extensive government spying apparatus which even collects our cell phone conversations.
Both are imperfect, but they are the only horses around. As in NASCAR races, "you take friends where you can find them." Darrel Waltrip.
Bundy dramatizes a change in our society, and his notoriety makes him the only horse available for this issue. Obama promised to create a second paramilitary force which would be as well armed and financed as our military.
Maybe it is a coincidence, but changes described by National Review On Line "The United States of SWAT?" tell us of changes dramatized by the cattle war.
Dozens of federal agencies now have SWAT teams to further an expanding definition of their missions, The Department of Agriculture, the Railroad Retirement Board, the Tennessee valley Authority, the Office of Personnel Management, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the US Fish and Wildlife Service.
Local police forces are also being militarized. Iowa City, for example, now has a tank.
The article also cites examples of people who have suffered at the hands of these paramilitary units. They weren't reported beyond local news media because there was no long standing stand off as with the Bundy case.
Kenneth Wright of Stockton, California had a visit from the Department of Education when agents knocked down his door at 6AM, dragged him outside in his boxer shorts and handcuffed him as they put his three young children into police cars. They searched his home for two hours.The raid was intended to find information about his estranged wife who had moved out and who was suspected of college financial- aid fraud.
A SWAT team from the Food and Drug Administration raided the farm of Dan Allgyer of Lancaster, Pa for shipping unpasteurized milk across state lines. Raw milk can be sold in Pa but not across state lines.
Mark Steyn on the Corner wrote about a mentally disturbed man who wandered through traffic outside of a New York bus terminal. The police opened fire and missed the unarmed man. They hit two pedestrians. One had a walker,.
The DA charged the man with assaulting the women by creating the situation which caused the police to fire. Huck earlier wrote that we need not sink to Holder's level and should follow the laws. I countered that we are already in a lawless society which uses selective enforcement of laws.
Mark Steyn wrote "If this flies in New York, then there is no law."
Judge Antoin Scalea spoke at a Tennessee university. He answered a question by saying that perhaps some day young people ought to state a tax payer revolt That wouldn't be much different from Bundy's little revolt except the numbers would be larger,
Asking a 4 year old not to cry when he loses might be a tall order but it's not the Rabbit way.
We talked about it this morning and he now has the word "dignity" in his lexicon.
The advice that is saving me was I think from Tex. Just wait a day before sports nagging.
I can't wait until he loses again. I want to see how he handles it.
We are many things……crying losers in sports is not one of them. (My wife claims I woke up crying and punching myself in the face during a stretch of unemployment-but I contest that).
I know wrestling this young seems extreme. But it has done wonders for him both physically and mentally, so far. And he sincerely loves it being a part of his "story".
Happy Easter.
There's no need to defend Huck.
From a strictly legal standpoint, I admitted in sentence one which precipitated this debate, Huck is on the winning side of the established law. But whose law? Huck makes a valid point we are a nation of laws that must be consistently enforced. However, that assumes that law just, equitable and dutifully enforced, does it not?
I believe Huck's myopia and those like him, and where I believe Huck's analogy to Eric Holder misguided (yours too), is contained in the first three words of the Preamble of the Constitution…
We the people…
Do the actions of our nameless federal government pertaining to the multi-purpose role of public lands in specific reference to Cliven Bundy do any of the following?
Establish justice? Insure domestic tranquility? Provide for a common defense? Promote the general welfare? Secure the blessings of Liberty?
Because if the federal solution of penalty at the bad end of a barrel fails any of these, we don't need to study Constitutional Law to determine the aggrieved. The federal government couldn't even meet the definition which proceeds the Bill of Rights.
Let me give Poolman some credit. In his last two paragraphs in #734, he said better or hinted to the question that needs to be answered by the critics than I did in four posts.
"it has been stated in these pages (not necessarily by you) that charity should be (and is) the work of the church and not the government."
It has?
I think charity should reside in individuals, like yourself. But you've confessed that you have none to offer.
Someone here said the only role of a church should be to take in and distribute gifts? Who said that?
I'm actually a bit surprised that you have not drawn a parallel between the way Obama blinked on Bundy to the way he blinked on Assad or may presently be blinking on Putin.
To address the easy one first, I think Obama didn't read about Nevada in the paper and thus uninvolved in the decision making. He was too busy filling out his NCAA ESPN bracket. Besides, our gentry President didn't perceive any chance of political victory – he's not interested in domestic blood and guts – just stealing from your bank account to buy more votes.
Obama's disinterest in management is only exceeded by his gross incompetence when he makes the puppet master Soros' bidding and becomes involved. Obama is bordering now on Joe Biden intelligence – selfies.
That's why I've told Republicans to shut their mouths when this court jester tags along with his insidious, overbearing, entitled matriarch and lives Camelot. It's pennies on the dollar compared to the damage when Obama is involved in real issues facing the country, and only applicable as long as the schlub is President and not in perpetuity, thank you Unaffordable Health Care.
As to the question of the ark, why would anyone be compelled to give the proceeds to social justice? I guess you could argue that they didn't tithe 10% of the profits or something. :smile: When I hear the words social justice and Christ in the same sentence anymore, the antennae immediately go up that somebody is stealing from the passed pew plate again, Thank you Jesus!
The ark builder is probably some militant atheist like PfeSSer looking to make a buck off weak minded imbeciles that find Christ's face on their taco.
Rutherford, if I've led you to in anyway believe I think (1) All people who call themselves Christian are disciples of Christ or (2) Announcing yourself Christian somehow makes on righteous, forgive me.
The rottenest, meanest people I've ever met were inside a church wall.
But as my sweet mom likes to say to her son, "Well? What better place for them to be, Tex?" LOL
No gratuitous insult, R. I asked you in a prior post and you said you didn't give to charity — time nor money. Now you say you do. Whatever.
The point is that you have asked, "if not the government, then who?' Well, duh. How about you? That strikes you as an insulting? It's a legitimate question to someone that believes in "forced charity" from others but volunteers nearly nothing himself.
I'm beating a dead cow, but this statement provides the wrong image of the Bundy family's economic status. I am being picky.
"…because he can no longer make a living by using someone's stuff."
The Bundys had over 900 cattle when this started. Suppose they sold 800 steers and heifers at $300. a piece.That figure approaches $250.000 per cattle crop.It doesn't count the value of the breeding stock. I don't know what the true value is. I am just guessing, but it shows the Bundys are likely able to make a living on the ranch,
The Bundys also offered to pay the fees to Clark County, and they were apparently paying fees until the BLM changed the rules and favored non-ranchers. That tells me if they can afford to pay the fees and stay in business for twenty years of court disputes, they CAN make a living on someone else's land. They don't own the land, but the "stuff" they use, including cattle and the facilities to care for them and to maintain the land belong to the Bundys or maybe their bank if they have a large line of credit.
I don't know how the government lease works. I know cash rent. We rent our land to three farmers who pay us twice a year. Since it is cash rent they have the right to manage the land and crops any way they see fit as long as they don't hurt the land. They are virtual owners who consult with us if they want to make a major change such as installing a center pivot. They pay for the center pivot. We assure them in writing that they will be able to rent the land until the pivot is paid for.
Last week, a renter paid a contractor to clear trees from a fence line. The contractor is local and a former high school class mate. Our renter also knows the man is good, but he gets in a hurry. He wouldn't let the contractor start work until he showed the contractor our old apple tree. Our renter told the man "don't touch that tree. If you do, I will be gone." The contractor laughed and said "I didn't even know the tree was there."
I wrote a term paper about Interpol when I was in high school. One problem the organization had then was that criminal elements with higher budgets were better armed than Interpol. Maybe that happens with some local police forces..
The ark is a business project. The ark builder may have seen the movie and decided he could make some money from heightened awareness of the ark. The Black Hills Flintstones park fits the same category. It is business, not religion. I agree with Tex.
Obviously some disasters are too big for locals to handle, but local and personal charity is more efficient because locals know the situation better than distant managers.
Rutherford made it clear that he doesn't give of his time or money to the needy, but writes a small check to Harvard each year ($100?). Maybe hes counting that or else has become charitable recently. R likes to dish about what other people give and believe, and tries to find things for other people to be outraged about so he can pretend its equal to his lack of concern or even curiosity about how this administration abuses the people they lord over.
You can bet they are talking about the ark on msnbc.
You can bet they are talking about the ark on msnbc.
** Guffaw ** :smile:
Oh, I think "R"'s heart is in the right place but he's constantly bombarded with the wrong messages. It would do him good to get out to observe these charitable works that churches do for himself. I think he would be amazed at what MSNBC doesn't know.
Give you an example of the secular world's marketing of faith. My wife purchased Philomena for us to watch last night. We did our Easter movies Saturday Night, so after traveling yesterday, we sat back when the kids were safely in their own nests.
Now believe it or not, Tex's wife actually gave some serious thought to becoming a nun year's ago, so this is a woman very steeped in her faith. She took a different path and chose celibacy with a Protestant husband instead. :smile:
Great movie. Fabulous acting. Hard for me to believe Judy Dench didn't win an Oscar for best actress – these Brits are something else – her costar was every bit as good, and I didn't know him. Best acting I've seen since the King's Speech.
This is supposedly loosely based on a real story. And in the story, the Irish nunnery basically steals the children of single teenage mothers, delivers the babies in medieval fashion, makes the single mothers work seven days a week for hard labor to pay back for the care, and sells the babies to the highest American bidder (Jane Russell was one) at a young age under coercion that the teenage mother signed contract. The girl's parents abandon her. The Church burns the adoption papers to cover their tracks. Somehow, the girl now woman keeps her faith – the nuns both tyrants and liars.
The journalist who helps her is atheist and wise; constant critic of God who mocks God throughout the movie for everything from earthquakes to liking sex. The adopted son turns out to be gay and died in 1995, affiliated as attorney under Ronald Reagan and George Bush, who are of course bashed for his young death because they cut off AIDS research funding because HIV a homosexual disease….
Yada, yada, yada…
This is how too much of the world gets its perception of the church, of its politics, of the charitable works of people of faith, etc…
And even my wife and I hardly batted an eye we're so used to the negative stereotypes.
So here is my challenge to any atheist, any agnostic. Show me your own charitable works that rivals even a 'smidgeon' of anything the Catholic Church does, and explain to me why the most godless country in the world, Communist China, is experiencing this phenomenon.
China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years
"Now believe it or not, Tex's wife actually gave some serious thought to becoming a nun year's ago, so this is a woman very steeped in her faith. She took a different path and chose celibacy with a Protestant husband instead."
I haven't seen Philomena but I know what you're saying.
As to Rutherford's heart being in the right place, I assumed by "introspection" he meant he was considering turning his amazing powers of perception inward for a spell.
I don't know anything about this Ark project. But I am wondering why a religious conservative is supposed to be "outraged."
Rutherford himself seems to be "outraged" for reasons I don't understand. He doesn't deny that the various religious institutions in this country dish tons of charity. At least think he doesn't deny it. That's above the "forced charity" he advocates. Yet he's upset that whatever church this is isn't charitable enough? WTF??
My real point, Poolman, preaching to the choir now…And I apologize for reading preachy.
The harder these anti God types try to fill the void with capitalism, cronyism, communism, comfortabilism and every other 'ism', and most definitely freedom from religionism, all these throughout history have left people wanting and most know not why.
And the harder the irreligious and materialists push, within a short time in the context of history, the more they so obviously fail. It will happen once again in America too – America will change or America will fall. Have no doubt as the net tightens, America will return back to a more "religious" people. As Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun.
Let us hope it is not too late when the time comes that she so weakened, the enemy already in the door.
Now that I'm old, I can honestly say I too tried to fill my heart and mind with many of these worldly things. The satisfaction was fleeting – so fleeting to make me feel foolish now.
That's the part that has frustrated me about life…
About the time you feel like you're kind of beginning to figure some of life out, what is important and what is not, you're too old to do much about it. Sigh…For starters, I wish I had been a better son, husband, and father.
What I'm left with is the realization that whatever or however man wants to refer to it, "God" or "nature" has left an indelible mark on our hearts that cannot be wiped away or erased to search for meaning. SS probably doesn't realize it, but he may be the one searching the hardest of all. Where is his emphasis day in and day out? That's why so many of these hardened atheists often become the most zealous in faith.
I will also be honest and tell you any theologian that tells you why and how God works beyond what is written and that often cryptic and I believe purposely so to encourage the search; anybody who believes himself or herself capable of trying to explain the mind of God and calling themselves Christian, is a fool and a fraud and should be summarily discarded as loon and heretic, worthy of mockery.
Hell, I don't blame PfeSSer for being loaded for bear. There's a lot of woolly charlatans out there to shoot at.
"Muffy you're starting to piss me off like Tigre does."
R, get mad all you want. You look nowhere else. Your world view is formed by that dumb fucking station. It decides what's important and not important to you. It tells you what to say to defend and rationalize. Whatever claims to introspection you plan to pursue, everything is still filtered through MSNBC. You denying it is laughable. If you want to blow everybody's mind, turn it off for a week.
Or get mad. . . :roll:
p.s. you said you didn't have the money to make donations to anyone when you responded to my comment. I asked about time and you said you were a homebody.
I don't have time for this right now. If you are getting mad, Rutherford etc. lighten your moods and listen to this, or not.
One Republic-Love Runs Out is fast- paced and it will surely approach number one. It at least refers to religion.
"There's a maniac out in front of me. Got an angel on my shoulder and Mephistopheles.
My Moma raised me good, momma raised me right
Moma said 'do what you want, say prayers at night.
And I'm saying them because I'm so devout."
Harvard isn't a charity and they don't need your money either, so look who's talking?
More MSNBC gossip. Bunch of little old ladies.
James, we don't share the same taste in music. But I must say, you've got to be the most on-top-of-it Vietnam vet when it comes to Alt.
James's passion for alternative pop music fascinates me. It's like learning about all the debauchery that goes on in an old folks home. I cringe at the thought of it but want to slap the old geezers on the back and say "atta boy" at the same time.
James….if I find out you wear skinny jeans I'm drawing the line.
James, an elderly farmer from Iowa is the hippest guy I know!
Plus…he still sizes a motherfucker up to see if he can take him.
God bless James!
Would you guys like me to get ALL my news first hand?
From me. That's all the news you need to know, Brother Rutherford. You'll feel freer in a week, I predict. :smile: Wean you off the Leftist Milk of Maddow and have you eating manly eef Jerky in a week.
One thing for sure. Your blog will take on an incredibly different tone. You might even become Chris Hayes' worst nightmare. The Harvard education Brother who saw the light of Taylor – kind of a Road to Damascus political conversion.
P.S. I had to think long and hard what PITA meant. Does that mean I'm not internet cool?
P.S.S. – Are you sure Chris Hayes isn't Rachel Maddow in drag? He sounds like her with the same mannerisms – that grating, idiot rhythm and hand gestures too. I turned him on accidentally tonight and watched for a minute on Moonbats Spouting Nothing But Crap.
Chris really does resemble a bit of a peter puffer to me. Do you gravitate to these prissy men, Brother "R?" I mean, I know you're straight as an arrow you nympho, but you got these peter puffing roommates, cock stuffing TV personalities, and for variety watching, girls who look like men. :twisted:
El Tigre, thanks.
My wife doesn't like my taste in music either. I am a musical gourmand. I consume anything I hear or see, and I like to read about the musicians' career and business models. So much music is out there, and I wish I had more time to hear it all. It keeps me from getting too angry about our current events.
My wife doesn't like "Love Runs Out," but it will be a top ten hit before summer ends.
Rutherford would do himself a service by banning MSNBC and other liberal news from his house for a week. If he doesn't like withdrawal delelerium tremons, he can spend the time he would have on Rachel Maddow on music he likes. Maybe he can watch a New Zealand band, The Baby Sitters Circus-Everything's Gonna Be Alright".
Again, my wife was unimpressed. She said some of the young women in the band's official flash mob video shouldn't have bothered taking their tops off.
Rutherford, for starters, look up Betsy's Page. Since you are a Harvard grad, today's issue should interest you. Harvard student Sandra V.L. Korn wrote for the Harvard Crimson that academic justice should replace academic freedom.
Betsy also links to John Curdele who discusses the Census bureau's falsifying statistics especially when it comes to unemployment data.
Neither of these stories will be on MSNBC. Networks don't carry stories on News Busters with the same slant. Pj media and Sister toldjah are two other blogs.
You asked , we told.
I missed your comment the first time, rabbit. Thanks for the complement. Our family is long-lived. We tend to be active until 95 to 100. Then things quickly fall apart.
Except for my temples, my hair is still light brown, and my beard if I grow one remainsl blond, red and brown with most of the blond turning gray. I don't need glasses.
I don't need medication except for the glaucoma I share with Rutherford.
I wouldn't be caught dead in skinny jeans.
Everything still works.
Considering how tough you are, your complement means something.
God bless you.
"You asked , we told."
Hell, I wouldn't care whether it's right leaning or not. Just shut the damn propaganda channel off and "think" and "hear" something that has an agenda of any kind other than promoting Obama and the dems. NYT doesn't count.
Damn R, you went to Haaavad and have access to the internet. Go exploring for cryin' out loud. Dig into something. Quit pretending MSNBC is a reliable source of "news" (or whatever you think is news 'cause you and I sure have different ideas of what constitute "news"). Just consider another source — another view — any view that isn't the shallow liberal propaganda you find edifying or are just plain addicted to. I promise. It'll fuck everyone here up completely.
I think Dennis Prager pens some of the best stuff going anymore.
I dare anyone here to deny the truth of this article, you included "R." And I used it purposely because frankly, it makes me embarrassed two of these imbeciles were from the once great state of Oklahoma. We too have become a state of politically correct pussies, too afraid to call these idiots on their idiocy.
Academia shares much of the blame. The biggest instigators in the crime of deviancy dumb downward are parents who continue to fund these frauds.
Apparently, these illiterate racists singing the tune of the greatness of The Constitution they hide behind, don't understand the disconnect of their conclusion when juxtaposed as to who devised it.
"News flash Muffy donations to higher learning are considered charitable although I get your point.
Since your memory is so good you probably remember my motive for giving to Harvard."
Of course I know that and of course I remember. Is your less-than-philanthropic motive supposed to be helpful to your scrutiny of ark man? It was you who mused if his money wasn't better spent on the needy.
You caught yourself up in your own net. Even down to the tax issue you alluded to @ #751. Really, you're giving introspection a whole new meaning. It's not looking deeper into other peoples' blemishes you know.
And the ark isn't news. It's entertainment. Hell even the president of the network says they're not the place to turn to for breaking news. That's because they don't want to report negative news about their party leaders and this administration on down is bad news.
Try WGN to hear about what's going on in your own backyard. For world news just about every other source is a better choice than the MSNBC drip.
Oh, for the love of God, G.
(it sure does raise a lot of questions. . . questions I really don't want answered)
Just saw R's priceless tweet:
"If we want to persuade on ACA we have to stop lying. 8 million people did not suddenly get health ins. Many already had it."
That's pissa!
Selling Obamacare requires better lies, not the truth you numbskull.
That third egg was a little runny. Ewwwww…
I guess I can only surmise Europe has officially gone to hell now? I have no earthly idea what I just watched
Far from me to turn my back on naked, young women, but I believe that was one time I could have closed my eyes or skipped the "art."
45 people shot over the weekend here in Chi-ria. 8 dead. Warm weather to blame.
No mention of the lack of respect for life.
"I will concede that we are hearing lies because the true negative stories are more compelling than the true positive ones."
WTF??? These are stats not "stories." In fact, Reid says the negative "stories" are all made up.
We're hearing lies because Obama is a liar and the left will accept and defend the lies.
Now back to my MSNBC.
799, yes, there are positive effects from AFC.It doesn't strengthen your argument.
Some people will be better off under Obama Care than they were, but the people who lost what they had to help a relatively few should have had the information and the the chance to accept or reject such a charitable act. Instead, they got lies.
Our daughter must pay $5,000 more insurance premiums this year, and if the employer mandate ever takes effect, she may lose her policy.
Betsys Page, which you should read discusses the University of North Carolina system.Beginning next year, large employers must provide insurance for everyone who works over 30 hours per week. UNC has 8,586 visiting professors graduate assistants and others who don't qualify for insurance because they are considered non-permanent employees. The AFC will require that all of those people would be covered. Administrators are considering reducing hours to avoid the coverage requirement.
Sotamayor's reaction to the Michigan affirmative action decision, and liberals' reactions to the verdict with attacks on Justice Thomas once again supports my theory that most liberals are racists, or at least bigots.
Calling the GI Bill "affirmative action" also supports my view that most liberals are secretly anti-military. Years ago, some feminists complained about the GI Bill. When prospective postal workers, for example had some points added to their test scores if they were veterans the favoritism was called anti-woman and anti-minority. They are the same people. Only the names and faces change.
Your point that some good comes out of AFC act doesn't mean much because it belies the forced sacrifices of others, and the financial burden ObamaCare will impose on our country and health care system. Until you address my points you are engaging in sophistry.
Rutherford – I think that all members of your Congress should be required to read and memorize Thomas Sowell's "Basic Economics." Here is precisely why college is so expensive:
from Chapter Two: "Since scarce resources have alternative uses, the value placed on one of these uses by one individual sets the cost that has to be paid by others who want to bid some of these resources away for their own use. From the standpoint of the economy as a whole, this means that resources tend to flow to their most valued uses when there is price competition."
It is not the government's place to make college more affordable; it is the government's subsidies – by way of cheap student loans and grants – that made it unaffordable to begin with. When one has to make decisions based on limited available resources, supply and demand work to hold down prices. When the gov't floods the market with cheap money, prices go up. Why do you think your medical costs are so high and its quality slipping into the toilet? Albania, East Germany, here you come!
I understand the feckless Johnny Depp 'Burning Man' dopeheads are going to gather next to Cliven Bundy's ranch to harass and mock the man in September. Very well. These bums are going to find out the hard way these militia types aren't nearly as forgiving as the sympathetic Obama Cabinet Choom Gang.
I can't think of a better time to stampede some cattle and bring a few big trucks in to mow a herd of dopers down while rounding them up. :twisted: A horse at about 30mph makes for a formidable weapon too. The picture of some of these acid heads being dragged and stomped to death amuses me.
Obama followers too, I might add.
Tin soldiers and Obama coming,
We will handle it on our own.
This summer I hear the stomping
Four hundred dead dopers once voted for President 'O'.
Gotta get down to it
Trucks just mowed another down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew them
And found them flat on the ground
Militia done laid the worthless mofos low…
Rutherford, you wrote you would do some more research on Benghazi, but we haven't seen any signs of what you did.
Now is your chance. Mail online April 23, 2014 "Benghazi attack could have been prevented if US hadn't switched sides in the War on Terror and allowed $500 million of weapons to reach al-Qaeada militants reveals damning report.
Citizens Committee on Benghazi is a center-right organization, but its conclusions dovetail with other reports. They are more trustworthy than the administration.
"US claims that it lacked the resources to mount a counter attack in time to save lives is false."
US Ambassador Chris Stevens was to be captured and traded for the "Blind Shiekh" who conceived the 1993 WTC bombing.
I told you Obama should have been impeached. Hillary should have been too, This is covered up because of an unpatriotic press that feeds stories to the clueless millions who care about little except for the freebees
Another bit of news comes from north Texas. The feds want to attempt another land grab. Given the arbitrary changes to AFC without input from Congress, and all of the lies, the burden of proof rests on other shoulders to show that Sami singer Sofia Jannok's description of an occupying regime doesn't apply to the Obama administration.
Nah Poolman. Not mixed up. Just on the other side this time.
They're still shooting at the same filthy anarchist scum – militia, cowboys or national guard do the shooting, makes no difference to me. :smile: Stealing a piece of shit like Neil Young's music makes it that much sweeter.
It is ironic isn't that our anarchists and government have come full circle. Used to be hippies were considered the antithesis of government. Now with Obuma as President, anarchists and BO are joined at the hip and the crewcuts like me will be shooting at the government. LOL
Poolman, assuming you are correct, it is irrelevant.
The point is a charge that the planned kidnapping was intended to use Ambassador Stevens as a bargaining piece to get the blind sheik out of jail. The commission also charges that the administration may have provided the arms to carry out the operation.
We are no longer a nation of laws if we ever were. At best, we are an oligarchy of selective law enforcement.
@808, oh God it pains me, but I tend to agree.
Especially when Poolman's psychosis reemerges @809.
James, again, you have hit an immoveable object. It's all a nothing burger to him because the opposite not only degrades Bo Bo, but invites discussion of the sleaziness of the administration that he's not prepared to defend — well, outside of unsubstantiated platitudes delivered to him by MSNBC, the Obama regime's version of Joseph Goebbels.
"What difference does it make now?"
We are two countries with conflicting concepts of reality and national purpose.Eventually, "we'll start a fire, and we'll shut it down." We " will be doing this if you ever doubt." as one side wins and the other loses. One Republic "Till the Love Runs Out."
"It is ironic isn't that our anarchists and government have come full circle. Used to be hippies were considered the antithesis of government. Now with Obuma as President, anarchists and BO are joined at the hip and the crewcuts like me will be shooting at the government."
Perfect timing:
The stat was the 8 million you disputed yourself, Dumb-Dumb. Not "stories."
And I haven't offered any "stats.
What's the matter with you?
The latest stats say ACA will reduce the deficit.
I'm just curious. How does increasing the Medicaid roll reduce the deficit? Aren't you intellectually curious, "R?" And healthcare costs continue to escalate…big time.
Anybody that believes that kind of stuff can't think past the empty suit. Rutherford, for a gifted guy with the pen, you more than make up the liability side with the inability to reason.
You mean to tell me you still think Bongo Care benefiting the country in the aggregate? Good grief, six million policies (not people) have lost their insurance, and the shit doesn't really hit the fan until after the election.
At least some Dims have the sense to run scared. You head straight at the tornado.
Dyson's other point as I saw it is that the GI bill is a form of affirmative action. His shot fails because the GI bill is payment for services rendered, not a gift others deserve.
To say otherwise implies veterans are getting something others should have. It reflects hidden anti- military bias. Otherwise, he could have made his point without that red herring.
Yes, blacks benefiting from the GI bill might have fewer advantages than whites, but without quantification we are speculating. General racism is a different issue from benefits deriving from the GI Bill which all veterans earned.
I agree, most of us get freebies, we probably don't know are coming our way, but the GI Bill is not free. Veterans paid for it.
Our daughter still has her insurance for now, but she must pay an extra $5,000 per year. Her plight surely is not unique.
"G I think the days of debate with you are about over because you are deranged. "
Who is "G?"
Re: the GI Bill.
The law treated everyone equally as far as I know. Society didn't. That is not a flaw of the law.It is a trait of society outside of the law.
White Vietnam ere veterans suffered discrimination. I know because i was one of them. I dropped out to farm because of it.Later, we were placed in a population of protected minorities. At least one university made Vietnam era veterans part of protected politically correct speech,.
I am certain that non- white Vietnam era veterans suffered discrimination because of their skin color and because they were veterans. To what degree the proportion of race and anti- veteran bias predominated is unknown until someone studies the outcome in detail.
Therefore to state definitively that society or the law discriminated against dark skinned veterans entirely because of their race is speculation.You honestly can't cite one without the other. In any event, it had nothing to do with the GI Bill.
Dyson's bias was showing,.
Okay. I've read enough.
Bundy is (1) wrong and (2) nuts. He should not be cheered on.
"You can't tell if something doesn't pass the smell test if your nose is stuffed. Take a decongestant before you read anymore right wing talking points."
Pot meet kettle.
Yeah James, look where mindless adherence to political talking points got your blog host. Don't be "that" guy. :lol:
Did Bundy really use the term 'negro?' LOL. Awwww…oh boy. Fuel for the fire. No wonder folks like Rutherford think there's a racist hiding around every corner.
Rutherford, I swear to you on a stack of Obama stickers I don't know these people, nor do I ever meet these people.
And here I was lending the sympathetic ear too. Perhaps Alfie and Huck deserved to scold me. I thought Cliven was more like my cousins – good old boys that don't give anyone a hard time. LOL
I still agree with the premise, however.
This crap down in Texas will definitely stoke the flames. And this time, I know the people aren't nuts as I personally know one of the players. Randy is a man that never goes looking for trouble and just lives his life – but he's no coward either. In fact, in a fight, he might be one of my life's personal choices.
Negro puhleeze.
R, you plan on offering anything substantive or "introspective?" We're at 837 and. . .
We just returned home after work last night and twelve hours today preparing and helping with an economic development meeting and dinner.
I use common sense, Rutherford, I didn't quote all of the commission,s charges. The kidnapping attempt failed because the organizers lost control of the attack.
I know the administration's explanations stink to high heaven. The administration should be forced to defend itself with documentation, but that isn't happening. Common sense dictates that the charges have some basis in truth because I have read other accounts which support it I don't know if the allegations are true but they do pass the smell test thanks to the administration's reticence. Otherwise why is the administration not talking? What are they hiding?
El Tigre, I need to watch that "mindless adherence to political talking points" or I will have to acknowledge Rutherford as my role model.
El Tigre, I need to watch that "mindless adherence to political talking points" or I will have to acknowledge Rutherford as my role model.
LOL. Good advice for all of us.
I generally try to invoke that 48 hour rule though I didn't about Nevada, but Cliven Bundy went an entire week sounding like a patriot, before reverting to David Duke. :smile:
I about croaked when I heard that ignorant crap come out of Cliven's mouth. He never struck me as brilliant, even from the git go. But I didn't believe him stupid either – until yesterday.
"The lefts editorializing on the news break is crazy as well."
No shit. That's their M.O. though.
Is anybody on the left really paying attention to Bundy. I know the right is but the left isn't — at least until now (Oooh, the "Republicans are scaaaaary racists that only Reid, Pelosi and Bo Bo can protect us from." ).
I don't think Bundy captured the essence of the social injustice and conservative comeuppance that captivates the shallow liberal media and mindset — well until Bundy "negroed" his way into their wheelhouse. But I think it's too late. It needed the racial angle from the outset to get them to care much.
You watch t.v. more than I do, so I defer. I just heard the right yammering on and on about it — but don't recall a whole bunch elsewhere.
The fact that it took Bundy so long to step in it is the only surprise. He's an attention seeking, idiot, nut job. Basically a Nevada Joe Biden.
p.s. I didn't meant to say it wasn't covered — just not with the fervor of the usual liberal stroke fests if they think they can validate their dumb narratives.
This caption covers it:
"Cliven Bundy Utters Racist Remark, Liberals Everywhere Rejoice"
Bundy's stupidity muddied the issues of government over reach and over reaction.If they had grounds, they should have put liens on the family bank accounts and tax refunds. I heard Fox reported this a little too enthusiasticly but I don't know if it is true.
The AP reports tensions around Ukraine are worsening. Iowa's secretary of agriculture and I discussed Ukraine at our economic development meeting last night. I think Ukraine can be a major ag producer, and he agrees. US and other companies are loaning farmers money to up grade and to lease more land,
Unfortunately, political strife and uncertainty are already hurting Ukraine. At least one company will loan less money to Ukrainian farmers until this sorts itself out.
I can agree with that. My partner when I worked corrections was a victim of Jim Crow. He was a very smart dude and could have amounted to much more then being my "assistant" for half the pay. Could he have risen above Jim Crow.?…I guess….but damn….nobody should have to put up with that shit. He once gave me the best tour of Richmond, Virginia. Without really playing the sappy victim….he calmly showed me all the places he wasn't allowed to go to when he was my age.