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Spielberg's Lincoln gets a full trailer!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The trailer for Steven Spielberg's Lincoln is here and it looks pretty great. In the Google live interview Spielberg just did he said that in his career he's had to step between the actor and the script at times, but on this one he stepped behind them... essentially he was saying he just got out of the way of his fantastic cast and let them roll and that's exactly what this trailer hints at. It's not about the flash of the filmmaker, but the weight to the performances. Daniel Day-Lewis' Lincoln should be one for the books.
Here's the trailer. Enjoy!
-Eric Vespe
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Sept. 13, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST
Stunning stuff.
by TinDrummer
Great score!
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
floored...crying....freaking Daniel Day, Freaking John Williams....freaking SPielberg...FREAKING LINCOLN!!!
by Darth Saruman
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:38 p.m. CST
Don't be the first asshole to make a vampire joke...
by milla jovovich
we get it, we get it. We all saw the commercials.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
It's okay, Darth Saruman, you can say "fucking."
by milla jovovich
Why do people censor themselves on the internet? It's your birthright...
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
by Deep Roots
I'll take it.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST
Lincoln's voice
by Tallguyme
anyone disappointed with DDL's take on Lincoln's voice? sounds high pitched.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST
I watch There Will be Blood at least once a month. Lewis looks awesome!
by Mandolorian
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:41 p.m. CST
Let me just say something that may revoke my *man card* as the more sensitive amongst us may often say...
by gotilk
and just give a gigantic *giggle* of delight.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:42 p.m. CST
The Google hangout was fun
by TinDrummer
Spielbergs wasn't born in a bubble.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
Did I see Downey?
by MoistMuskyCamelToe
Thought I caught a glimpse of him. Off to IMDB I go...
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:43 p.m. CST
@milla jovovich just trying to be more like Lincoln! although I'm sure he dropped some f-bombs.
by Darth Saruman
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
Nope. No Downey.
by MoistMuskyCamelToe
Spader and Haley though.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:44 p.m. CST
Is this is 3D? Because I'm part of the 3D generation and WE DEMAND 3D!
by Simpsonian
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
@tallguyme ....Lincoln had a higher pitch voice
by Batmanster
look it up bro
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:45 p.m. CST
Maxi Pad promotional tie-in
by martinprince
Shall we stop this bleeding?
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
Too bad it's not in 3D like the first one. And what's the big bad this time? Werevolves?
by JackSlater4
Oh wait, Spielberg doing the sequel, so it will be steampunk robots.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:46 p.m. CST
Where are the Vampires?
by theBigE
This is going to be known as the "other Lincoln film" of 2012, right?
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST
Looks Good... Probably a little overly patriotic and praising since its Spielberg
by ass clown
I want to have hope for this movie and Daniel Day Louis can carry movies. Will he be strong enough to overcome the over-the-hill Spielberg that produces about 70% garbage this day and age? That is yet to be seen. Either way, the general public idolizes Spielberg and forgives all his trash: Indy 4, Lost World, War of the Worlds... This movie will do just fine financially and it could possibly be good. Spielberg is best when he gets away from his family fare and political correctness. I just am not sure that he would do that with such political sensitivity in Hollywood
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:47 p.m. CST
Oh yeah. I'm there. Finally a CW movie that isnt a Confederate propaganda piece. One nitpick: I'm seeing a lot of Union soldiers with that rain slicker they didnt to ditch because they were a pain.
by whatevillurks
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
The war had little to do with slavery...
by cleetdog101
In a letter to Horace Greeley, founder & editor of the New York Tribune "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union." - Abraham Lincoln, August 22, 1862.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
...rain slicker they didnt like and tended to ditch....
by whatevillurks
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:48 p.m. CST
Got chills watching that - and I'm not even American
by goodhorse
How unfair when Steven Spielberg, John Williams and Daniel Day-Lewis gang up on you all at once! Looks like a once-in-a-decade film to me.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
That was EPIC, in the truest sense of the word!!
by Kevin Bullard
And this is just the trailer!!! I can only imagine what the finished film is gonna be! Looks like Steven's done it again!! CAN. NOT. WAIT!!!
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
Lincoln was said to have a higher-pitched, nasal voice.
by Mike
I think DDL nails it with the hint of Illinois accent there.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
It's you, thebige...
by milla jovovich
you're the unfunny asshole.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:50 p.m. CST
Absolutely stunning.
by Brian Hopper
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
Lincoln's voice
by GQSioux
Actually, they say he did have a high pitched voice: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084181/Abraham-Lincoln-delivered-deeply-influential-speeches-high-voice.html
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
Am I the only person who CANNOT STAND Sally Field? ... I have no idea why? ... I just HATE HER acting ...
by GINGE_MUPPET
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:51 p.m. CST
cleetdog101, how can you be sure this was not Lincoln playing the politician?
by Krinkle
He wasn't stupid. I know the "Lincoln didn't really care about blacks" has a lot of tract in our culture - because we love to endlessly revise.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
The voice is definitely odd, but I hear they were going for the real voice that Lincoln spoke with
by lv_426
and not the kind of stylized voice we've always heard from the hundreds of Lincolns in movies and television. So not a complaint, but something I'll have to get a bit used to. I trust Daniel Day Lewis though, and Spielberg. The visuals in this are really great too. Some beautiful shots in that trailer. Both this fall and winter are really shaping up to be a great movie season. I think the whole geek movie summer of 2012 was kind of a dud, but perhaps the fall and winter 2012 movie seasons are the real gold this year?
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
Shut the fuck up about vampires already
by Russell
it wasn't funny the first time.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:55 p.m. CST
That voice! You just knew DDL would nail it and
by Brian Hopper
he does. It's a very particular thing he's doing there, and you definitely get the hint of a midwestern/southern twang there... perfect for the Kentucky/so. Indiana/Illinois mix you would expect for Lincoln. And his voice is not heavy with import (as so many do with the Lincoln impersonation), but is a bit more high-pitched than that as was supposedly the case in real life. You can just tell that DDL has done something special here with this performance, just as he always does. Almost brings tears to my eyes, the resonance of DDL is doing here with the Lincoln character. Get the Oscar ready.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
My silhouette is in this.
by BlaGyver
I am happy. I have been on film while John Williams music plays. I can die happy.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:56 p.m. CST
I'm usually not this cynical but this feels way melodramatic.
by Novaman5000
The stirring strings. The fades. The gravitas. It feels like an oscar campaign rather than a real film.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
In 1865 Lincoln felt differently about Slavery than he did even in '62
by Darth Saruman
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
here we go with people talking about "Spielberg in this day and age..."
by Deep Roots
The list always basically contains only Indy 4, War of the Worlds, Lost World... Why do the Spielberg bitchers NEVER list Munich, Minority Report, AI, and the rest of his good shit from the last 15 years? 21st century spielberg has been un fucking believably good, with only one, maybe two exceptions. I submit that it is because they are dumb.
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
cleetdog101: Slavery was the planet all of the Confederates greivences orbited around.
by whatevillurks
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:58 p.m. CST
lincoln had a high pitched voice
by walt
he was a brilliant orator, so when translated into movies and that disney thing, they always presented him with a low voice and with the wrong accent this is perfect how long is the running time?
Sept. 13, 2012, 6:59 p.m. CST
lincoln also aged quickly while in office
by walt
Sept. 13, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
Looks fucking great, hopefully Spielberg has his mojo back...
by Jt
and with this Spielberg won't be able to make some super happy ending
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:01 p.m. CST
The Smithsonian says he was a Tenor
by MurderMostFowl
...one of the only things that can be said with certainty is that Lincoln was a tenor.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:02 p.m. CST
Lincoln Horse
by popeofchina
I was expecting something a bit more. . .substantial. Looks like another overly sentimental and rather boring film like War Horse. I lost quite a bit of anticipation here.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:03 p.m. CST
shot of ddl as lincoln at 1:16
by Deep Roots
is pretty intense.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
wow - cannot wait for this!
by tk863
DDL is going to rock this.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
Munich was great. Minority Report and AI were decent but forgettable….
by Jt
Munich is the only good movie that Spielberg has made since Saving Private Ryan.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:04 p.m. CST
This looks great, but way too many well know actors - Day-Lewis is perfect for Lincoln, but all the others will remind me I'm watching a movie.
by Joey Stars
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:05 p.m. CST
I want to see this... now. now. now.
by bloss
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:07 p.m. CST
I'm with you novaman
by Simpsonian
It looks exactly as I would expect, which is disappointing. I know everyone will eat this up but damn why can't they make films like they were really in the era and not all the usual devices? I want to be transported to another time not transported into a Spielberg wet dream...
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:10 p.m. CST
That wig looks ridiculous on Tommy Lee Jones
by ThaWhiteShadow
But then again, it's probably SUPPOSED to be a wig, so I guess that's alright.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST
Doesn't look 'sentimental' or 'boring' or 'melodramatic' at all...
by Brian Hopper
It actually looks fairly understated (a compliment), and there is a clear attempt at realism with the looks of things and DDL's amazing voice and performance. You can't have a movie about the last few months of Abraham Lincoln's life without some tears and stirring music, come on. I'm reserving judgment. This has the potential to be a so-so movie about a great man (a la Gandhi). But THAT is an impressive trailer, and it looks more like it has the potential to be a GREAT movie. We shall see.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:11 p.m. CST
by Deep Roots
well I'm glad you dug Munich. But I can't get on board with that. I've loved virtually everything he's done this century so far.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST
by Logan_1973
What asshole wouldn't be excited for this?
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
sory but that was just so hilariously self-important it made me burst out laughing
by golden tribw
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
If it's half as good as There Will Be Blood
by kingoflight
Then it'll be a movie i'd happily watch.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST
AMERICA: THIS IS YOUR GLORY!!!! thirteen ninety-five a ticket. RAH, RAH, RAH, AMERRRRRICAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
by golden tribw
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:18 p.m. CST
That said I'm sure Daniel Day Lewis will be great. But I don't see it in this trailer really.
by golden tribw
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
Oscars for everyone!
by tomandshell
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:22 p.m. CST
Loved this trailer
by DementedCaver
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
Glad they resisted the temptation to make him sound like James Earl Jones
by kevred
And don't get me wrong, I love James Earl Jones. But even with the historical record indicating Lincoln had a higher voice, it doesn't seem very "Hollywood" to do it this way, especially with all the gravel-voiced baritones around him. This small choice will tweak a lot of people's expectations about not just Lincoln, but what the "hero" or protagonist at the center of an epic is supposed to sound like. I like it.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:24 p.m. CST
this is far from a rah rah america movie. this was a dark time in our past
by walt
it also, hopefully, will show that the reconstruction era, along with deep set prejudice against blacks, set into motion, a system that caused generational problems for many i would suggest that the south has really never come out of it...as it is still populated by toothless redneck fucks
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST
I've always wish a film maker or well as a studio would get behind a film series or HBO miniseries on all the presidents
by RedBull_Werewolf
Imagine a 40 hour plus miniseries detailing the presidency of every president, You could have the same cast through out the ages (An actor could appear in several episodes before his episode and several episodes after, finally passing during the term of a president down the line) Think HBO's john Adams miniseries but detailing all the presidents and all of american history Do it, please
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
by Ricardo
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:32 p.m. CST
No Dude, Sally Field sucks ass
by magnetoelectric
She always has. Her entire career now she does this thing where she has to demonstrate or express annoyance prior to a scene where she emotes any sort of emotion. No matter the emotion. Its like she invented her own school of : "I'm fucking annoyed at either having these emotions or the need/want to express them" Its like shes feels the need to internally face palm prior to reciting dialogue. Shes the worst. And while were at it :let me beat anyone who'd like to tell me different PLACES IN THE HEART IS CRAP! It sucks and it'll always suck. Why do you think everyone remembers Amadeus and the Killing Fields and nobody can remember Places in the Heart? Because its awful.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:36 p.m. CST
Excessively melodramatic, forced acting, overly pompous
by aeternitatis
Will win every award and be dull as shit.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
fade to black fade up from black
by rawsleestak
Someone actually got paid to do that crap to this trailer and Spielberg was okay with it?
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
by Astronut
Wha - ? This looks like it's gonna suck ass.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:42 p.m. CST
I drink your Oscar!
by BubbaDestructo
I drink it up!
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
This looks like Spielberg has abandoned the 'scathing brutally truthful look at Lincoln' this was originally pitched as...
by Rebel Scumb
and instead is very typical Spielbergy medicinal americana. I'm sure it will be fine for what it is, but other than DDL being his usual awesome self this doesn't really appeal to me.
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:43 p.m. CST
Yeah that trailer was a bit much. i was hoping for something less theatrical... somewhat concerned, but DDL is still the man.
by dahveed1972
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:48 p.m. CST
Since the turn of the century,
by seymour_scagnetti
Spielberg has made two of his very best (Minority Report, Munich), six good ones (A.I., Catch Me If You Can, The Terminal, War of the Worlds, Tintin, War Horse), and one bad one (Crystal Skull).
Sept. 13, 2012, 7:50 p.m. CST
Although not historically accurate, I think I would prefer a baritone on Lincoln
by murray_hamilton
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST
Post 2000 Spielberg rating, my opinion
by Ricardo
A.I. - 7.5/10 Minority Report - 7.5/10 Munich - 7.5/10 Catch Me If You Can - 7/10 The Terminal - 3.5/10 War of the Worlds - 7/10 Crystal Skull - 2/10 Haven't seen Tintin and War Horse. Don't care.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:04 p.m. CST
He sounds like Mitch Hedberg during the first 30 seconds
by mooseaka
Especially when he says "Shall birth a new freedom". Incidentally, Lincoln's doctor used try to bite his neck and suck his blood. Never go to Dr. Acula.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:09 p.m. CST
Hmmm...some questionable casting in there
by Rupee88
but probably worth watching
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:10 p.m. CST
bitch bitch bitch
by ghoulstock
This looks amazing. I can't believe some of the complaints. "A bit much", "over dramatic", a bit much, really? Lincoln's presidency included a secession, a bloody civil war, an emancipation and an assassination. I think that's a story that's earned the right to be "a bit much".
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:11 p.m. CST
Lincoln sounded like a 9 year old boy with his nuts in a vice
by Bobo_Vision
Actually, DDL sounds good.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:12 p.m. CST
This movie is Amistad for white people
by Bobo_Vision
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:13 p.m. CST
mooseaka you ignorant slut
by David Duchovny
That isn't Lewis speaking in the first 30 seconds, twat.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST
Tommy Lee Jones' wig for best supporting actor!
by MikeTheSpike
You heard it here first!
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:15 p.m. CST
Tommy Lee Jones's character from Men in Black time travlels into this film and tries to disguise himself by putting a possum on his head
by Bobo_Vision
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:20 p.m. CST
I loves me some overly sentimental, patriotic melodrama.
by Chuck_Chuckwalla
Ain't nothin' wrong with that.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:24 p.m. CST
Someone has to say it...a movie of a white man "trying" to help black people that white people took advantage of.
by Cedric Ford
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
Can't get this to load correctly
by Beebop
It gets about 40% through and then just freezes.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
Gale Boetticher (David Costabile) from Breaking Bad!
by Dataset
Four score and seven years, bitches!
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:27 p.m. CST
Ridley Scott as U.S. Grant?
by MuadDibuhhh
Seriously... look at him.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:29 p.m. CST
by David Duchovny
It's Jared Harris...u sure ur a geek bruh?
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
Kentucky Accent
by Gurble
The pitch is fine I guess but he's supposed to have had a thick Kentucky accent. Kinda feel let down by DDL on that. What's with Sally Field playing Forrest's mom again? Mary Todd Lincoln was morose and kinda crazy. Especially after their kid died.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:31 p.m. CST
by William Foley
Cannot wait for this movie!!!
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:34 p.m. CST
by MuadDibuhhh
Yes, I know it's not REALLY Ridley Scott. It was a joke, but seriously. Look at him.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
by mrzero27
Bloopers in the credits.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:36 p.m. CST
well, looks like it has Best Picture already written all over it...
by Detached
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:37 p.m. CST
well, looks like it has Best Picture already written all over it...
by Detached
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
Who plays Albert Pike?
by entrainer
Nobody mind me.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:39 p.m. CST
by David Duchovny
Sorry. I've been fighting stupid all day, and this is a Spielberg thread. The trolls and mouthbreathers love them sum Spielberg threads.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:41 p.m. CST
The Master will win Best Picture
by David Duchovny
This looks safe. Too safe. Boy Robin says it's not--that Spielberg took risks--but this trailer doesn't show it, if true.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:43 p.m. CST
TLJ's wig...
by seymorejones
Pretty sure Stevens had an awful wig. Look it up. Also, look up T-Steve's photo...looks horrible there, too.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:45 p.m. CST
Oh, and it's going to portray lincoln as extremely flawed, but...
by seymorejones
...you cant sell a movie showing that.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:48 p.m. CST
by seymorejones
There will be Blood didn't win best picture, so how the hell do you figure The Master's going to win? Please.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:49 p.m. CST
Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure = Most accurate Lincoln portrayal in all of cinema.
by tylerzero
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:53 p.m. CST
BTW, I hope Google+ enjoyed their 5 seconds of having exclusiveness.
by Logan_1973
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:54 p.m. CST
by David Duchovny
It's just PTA's year. I'm never wrong on this stuff. It's uncanny. Trust me.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
by Astronut
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
by Astronut
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
Yep Ginge_muppet, it's just you. Sally Field at her best can rival Meryl Streep......
by john
You heard it here first.
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
by Astronut
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:58 p.m. CST
by Astronut
Sept. 13, 2012, 8:59 p.m. CST
Not feeling this one...
by notcher
Can't stand Sally Field, and I think the same costume designer who did "Amistad" did this one, which is not a good thing, everyone looked like they were in a stage play and not very organic and real. On top of all of that, I must say this movie looks like it has the potential of being another Spielberg emotionally manipulative movie. Not impressed with this trailer at all. Very disappointed. However, I am rooting for it to be great, and I stipulate that trailers can be misleading. Crossing my fingers!!! BRING IT!!!
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
The two weekends after this comes out, hipster doofuses with amish beards and Kunta Kinte lookin' black dudes are gonna get a lot of pussy
by Bobo_Vision
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:01 p.m. CST
by Astronut
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:02 p.m. CST
Note: Pussy from white bitches with low self-esteem and a need to be accepted and cool, and buttload of daddy issues
by Bobo_Vision
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST
The first Spielberg film I've looked forward to since...
by Queefer Sutherland
A.I., maybe? I don't know. I haven't looked forward to most of his films for a LONG time.
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
The beginning of this trailer was ASS...
by Negator76
...with the horrible Saving Ryan's Privates music and the bullshit 'noble black soldier saluting Honest Abe' bits.... so inane, so ridiculously romantic and idealized that it almost seems like a parody of an oscar-bait trailer. Then I saw the parade of awesome character actors performing (Hal Holbrook! Strathairn! Jackie Earle!).... and then DANIEL DAY FUCKING LEWIS starting talking in his surprisingly reedy, believably Illinois accent, and hooked me. Hope it's good. If only Speilberg could take some kind of schmaltz-inhibiting drug.
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:21 p.m. CST
The war occurred b/c of slavery - it lasted 4 years b/c of slavery...
by El Vader
The "states rights" issue was slavery, itself. Secession occurred so that the wealthy minority in the South could continue owning slaves. The Civil War was fought for one reason and one reason alone - the South had not evolved and only would evolve if it was dragged, kicking and screaming into a post-Declaration America. Lincoln did have a much higher pitched voice. Team of Rivals mentioned that - as did a Lincoln bio I read last year... but that's neither hear nor there. DDL doesn't need to BE Lincoln to present him, and WOW does it look like he's presenting him, here! I just hoe that the film captures his brilliance as a politician - for someone who was, in fact, a political outsider and arguably woefully undereducated (formally, at least) he was beyond and ABOVE the smartest man in a room of smart me. CAN NOT WAIT FOR THIS FILM!!!
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:25 p.m. CST
Will it mention Lincoln wanted to send the freed slaves back to Africa?
by Charlie
Didn't think so. Bullshit propaganda rewriting the past. Also where are the Vampires?
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
Lincoln only half-assedly toyed with the idea of recolonization...
by El Vader
It was realized even before the CW was over that populating Liberia with the US' African American population would never, never work. Lincoln favored the idea for a moment, then dismissed it.
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST
As brilliant as DDL no doubt will be, it's the ensemble cast that I might be looking forward to more...
by Bill C.
I can't help it--the idea of TLJ, Sally Field, Hal Holbrook, David Straithairn, James Spader, and a surprising number of other good actors all puttering about in the same movie along with DDL is more alluring than the actual material OF the movie. That said, the guy who wrote 'Munich' wrote the screenplay for this. I guess I need to watch 'Munich' now to get an idea of what we're up against...
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:32 p.m. CST
An overwrought piece of melodramatic Oscar-bait.
by blackmantis
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:37 p.m. CST
by seymour_scagnetti
You have to wait until you've, you know, seen the movie before you start throwing that around.
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:41 p.m. CST
tallguyme... history is your friend.
by gringostar
According to historical information Lincoln's voice high... Lincoln's voice was, when he first began speaking, shrill, squeaking, piping, unpleasant; his general look, his form, his pose, the color of his flesh, wrinkled and dry, his sensitiveness, and his momentary diffidence, everything seemed to be against him, but he soon recovered. --William H. Herndon letter, July 19, 1887 But whenever he began to talk his eyes flashed and every facial movement helped express his idea and feeling. Then involuntarily vanished all thought or consciousness of his uncouth appearance, or awkward manner, or even his high keyed, unpleasant voice. --Abram Bergen in Intimate Memories of Lincoln The [second] inaugural address was received in most profound silence. Every word was clear and audible as the ringing and somewhat shrill tones of Lincoln's voice sounded over the vast concourse. --Noah Brooks in Washington in Lincoln's Time
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:42 p.m. CST
Sutherland, did you happen to catch "The Adventures of TinTin"? A full-out Spielbergian fantasy action-adventure. Unrealistic, but it works especially well as a cartoon full of comic flourishes.
by ChaunceyGardiner
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
Seymour...that is EXACTLY the impression I get from the trailer.
by blackmantis
Which could be a wrong impression, but that's what they're selling me...Personally I hope it's wrong as I'm a lifelong Spielberg fan, but it has the same exact tone that the War Horse trailer had, which turned out to be an overwrought piece of melodramatic Oscar-bait.
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST
by Daniel
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:52 p.m. CST
WOW! Imagine...
by Dan
If we had a Presdent like that today- decent and serving for the LOVE of his country, out of duty and not out of narcissism and power trips... Imagine!!!!!!
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST
yeah, OK, Spielberg ONLY makes films to win oscars....ERRR!! c'mon clones!
by Darth Saruman
he make's films because he loves to do it and has been doing it since he was a kid. It's who he is, it's what he does, and he's good at it. Not saying he's the greatest ever(whatever that means) but damn.....come off it!
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:53 p.m. CST
The first Spielberg film I've looked forward to since...
by Queefer Sutherland
A.I., maybe? I don't know. I haven't looked forward to most of his films for a LONG time.
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:55 p.m. CST
Lincoln has a terribly fasinating life...
by Dan
I hope we see the human side of him too, the loss of his son Tad, actually he lost two sons while he lived and his second to oldest son, behind Robert, died in 1871. No wonder Mary went insane, she outlived her husband and 3 of her 4 sons.
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:57 p.m. CST
This looks like what they called in the old days...
by Dan
An ALL-STAR CAST... great to see Sally Field on the screen again, she will be a perfect Mary. Hal fucking Holbrook!!!! Jo-go Levitt as Robert Lincoln... sign me up and manipulate me all you want, Sir Spielbergo!
Sept. 13, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST
P.S. Thaddeus Stevens wore a wig cut the same length on all sides so he wouldn't have to worry where the front was
by Darth Saruman
true fact...look it up clones and stop bitching about Tommy Lee's bad wig.
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:01 p.m. CST
I was looking forward to a realistic Lincoln movie
by aeternitatis
Going by the trailer, this isn't it. This is pretentious pap filled with cloying emotionality.
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:03 p.m. CST
Does anyone else here find Sally Fields infinitely doable in a MILF-y sort of way
by Bobo_Vision
She gives me boners for days.
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:04 p.m. CST
Remember the scene from Forrest Gump where Sally Fields prostitutes herself to get her son ahead in grade school?
by Bobo_Vision
That gave me wood.
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:05 p.m. CST
Boniva you say? I say sit on my boner you Milf-y vixen!!!
by Bobo_Vision
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST
Sally Fields has given me wood since Smokey and the Bandit
by Anthony Torchia
or even the flying nun Lincoln's voice is right on and ballsy, going for historical accuracy over fake baritone, love it! I haven't been this excited about a Spielberg in years, yay!
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST
Finally, Janusz Kaminski has stopped with the fucking filters
by YackBacker
I can actually see a Spierlberg film without thinking my glasses are smudged.
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST
@aeternitatis you should write reviews....
by Darth Saruman
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST
Janusz Kaminski, you ignorant slut.
by Bobo_Vision
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:25 p.m. CST
It has to be asked...
by DougMcKenzie
When do Bill and Ted show up?
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST
"This is for THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". Yeah no shit, thanks for the clarification there. If this was any more sappy ... no wait, that's not possible.
by Ray_Tango
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
Spielberg is fail.
by Andy
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:44 p.m. CST
how many fucking people are in this movie??
by la te ral us
Sept. 13, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST
I will admit that I was hoping for a movie that just hammered the Confederacy for thinking they had a case.....not sure if thats this movie.
by whatevillurks
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:06 p.m. CST
by CreepyThinMan
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
by Pipple
Though most likely it'll sugarcoat black people to the lowest common denominator like a lot of movies and tv shows tend to do. I'm tired of that politically correct bullshit. Which is why i've recently gotten into the boondocks show which skewers black people every chance it gets, you'd think it was sponsored by the KKK... I wonder what Lincoln thought about my race though honestly. Did he get all spazzy about the possibility of his bloodline being tainted by blackness etc?
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
bobo_vision, I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO FUCK SALLY FIELD AND BURY MY COCK SOO FAR UP GIDGET'S TWAT THAT SHE CHOKES ON THE TIP!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinMan
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
I have to admit, there were a LOT of fades to black in this one
by D.Vader
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
too many spoilers in this trailer
by fat_rancor_keeper
Seems like the slaves get freed.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:13 p.m. CST
"Spielberg is fail"?
by D.Vader
You sir, are fail.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST
Look at me! I'm going to pretend to know more about history than you!
by D.Vader
Then I can claim this trailer is a fail bc Tommy Lee Jones is clearly wearing a stupid wig!
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
bobo_vision, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE FIELD, WHEN SHE WAS YOUNGER, LOOKED SOO SWEET AND INNOCENT THAT YOU JUST WANTED TO DEFILE HER IN UNSPEAKABLE WAYS!!!FACT!!! "TAKE THIS COCK BITCH, YOU KNOW YOU WANT IT!!!"
by CreepyThinMan
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
Jesus fucking christ, you people are such cynical fucking assholes
by CITIZENKANE
I mean, really?? It's a 2-minute trailer. It's probably a 2 and a half hour movie (or 3) cut down into a two-minute montage. Sure, it looks like a standard Hollywood historical epic, but that's because it's edited in that typical, hollywood movie trailer way. It looks terrific (the art direction, costumes, lighting, compositions) and DDL's voice is odd and unique, a quality I'm really excited about. What, were you wanting a trailer like The Master, or Django Unchained? Different marketing for a different kind of movie, folks. I agree, the music is maybe a bit too much, but that's a criticism of the trailer, not the movie itself. Also, that fade outs are a bit too much, and, again, that's a criticism of the TRAILER. When a (presumably) long feature film is cut down to a few visuals and sound bites, of course everything is going to be taken out of context. Wait for the movie to come out, THEN feel free to call it a steaming pile of shit, or, more Spielberg garbage, or whatever. At least watch the movie...or wait for the reviews to come out, so you can get a better sense if you want to watch the damn thing or not.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:21 p.m. CST
by CreepyThinMan
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:27 p.m. CST
Christ, I just realized I got sucked into the troll vortex.
by CITIZENKANE
I hate talkbacks, because what's the point? Why do I even bother? It's just contributing to more useless noise. But, goddamn it, I couldn't resist.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:29 p.m. CST
troll traps are like sticky mouse glue traps
by fat_rancor_keeper
You get one leg caught and that's that. If you are lucky maybe you can wiggle off but not without losing some fur. But usually you are on there for good until someone comes along and tosses you into a shopping bag to slowly die - or they just step on your head and put you out of your misery.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:38 p.m. CST
@fat_rancor_keeper Alarmingly accurate, sir
by CITIZENKANE
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:42 p.m. CST
novaman5000 melodramatic?! Spielberg?! noway!!
by baldalienprobeinhighheels
I would not be surprised to see Spielberg feature a child who spouts the wisdom of the ages....revealing how crazy and superficial adults have become, having lost their child-like optimism and enthusiasm.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST
So yeah, it's melodramatic AND looks manipulative like most Spielberg (I assume that's John William's schmaltzy score?)
by baldalienprobeinhighheels
It won't top either Abe Lincoln in Illinois where Raymond Massey gives an outstanding performance (and sounds how we think he should sound), or John Ford's Young Mr. Lincoln with Henry Fonda basically presiding over a decent courtroom drama hampered by an unfortunate fake nose prosthetic.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:50 p.m. CST
Looks well done... but...
by SunTzu77
My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST
Hammering the Confederacy...
by El Vader
Reality and Truth have done a decent enough job... the only people still claiming that the South Will Rise Again are too stupid to realize that the aforementioned statement is true only within the context of baking a flaky pastry, or perhaps cooking a nice souffle...
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST
by SunTzu77
It didn't post my entire comment. 1) I'm not sure Sally Field is the right choice for Mrs. Lincoln. 2) I hope the film isn't just a love poem to Lincoln but shows the complexities of his administration. For, instance the Emancipation only affect the states in rebellion.
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:54 p.m. CST
by Dolph
Plus, please Steven, STOP WORKING WITH JANUSZ KAMINSKI
Sept. 13, 2012, 11:57 p.m. CST
Munich was shit.
by SunTzu77
The editing between the orgasm scene and the explosion was laughingly godawful. Spielberg said he would go dark with Minority Report... then wussied out with the original ending. War of the Worlds - terrible. Indy 4 - terrible. The War Horse - mediocre... the sepia filter at the end was grossly overused.
Sept. 14, 2012, midnight CST
by Tjarren
You hate me! You really, really hate me!
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST
What a beautiful trailer.
by pr0g2west
Was wierd about DDL's voice at first, but the more I think about it, the more realistic it is. He isn't trying to over-do it, like all other Lincoln portrayals. It seems subtle, and quite perfect. DDL might actually get over-looked for best actor because he is too perfect.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST
And Munich was one of Spielberg's best films...the sex/killings at the end totally worked. It's not supposed to be a pretty scene.
by pr0g2west
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:20 a.m. CST
Playmountain and hollyweird present their latest revisionist historical American offering for this generation
by cozy
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:25 a.m. CST
Magnificent. This trailer flows like flows like oceans of time that have seen the edges of eternity being fed like a newborn in the bosoms of love's desire.
by CodeName
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:34 a.m. CST
But I'm sorry, if you don't like Abe...
by CodeName
Then you were born without feelings. This old, weird and tall Amish-looking dude resonated in my core when I was in third grade. And back then, I just wanted to to play with that stupid Captain Power VR video game. My research in 3rd grade was Abe Lincoln's cabin home when he was a child and our teacher forced us to replicate his first home with stupid clay. But I appreciate that now as I know that we will never get a real President who will stick up for the underdogs authentically.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST
$50 says they don't mention that Democrats wanted to keep slavery, and it was the Republicans who wanted to abolish it.
by Jerry
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST
Meh! BIG MEH!! Reminds me to War horse and Amistad. Spielberg, one of my favorite directors, should be doing only sci-fi. Schidlert list was terrific, but this... I don't know how this will work Outside EEUU.
by kim
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST
I'm curious how southern republicans will react to this film.
by RedJester
On one hand they love to claim Lincoln as their own when having the debate over which party had the greater presidents. On the other hand, they still haven't gotten over losing the war as well as the abolition of slavery, so in that context they absolutely loath Lincoln... I wonder which hand will win out....
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST
you trolls aren't worth the pixels used to type your bullshit
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
Munich was awesome Spielberg is your God bow down to him and beg for mercy!
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:33 a.m. CST
by Jerry
You're thinking of southern Democrats.
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:40 a.m. CST
by RedJester
If you're even mildly versed in American political history you know as well as I do that neither party is anywhere near the same party it was in the 1860's. Technically, he was a Republican, yes, but the similarities essentially end there.
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:55 a.m. CST
by Jerry
...but they still won't mention it in the movie.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:09 a.m. CST
Holy shit that looks spectacular!
by geeko2000
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST
Tommy Lee Jones wig.
by alex
Good Lord
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:10 a.m. CST
It's silly how badly I want to see this movie. Haters can keep on whining...
by Jay
We've been hearing the same shit since The Color Purple. Not every fucking movie has to be a cynical, depressing message about life. Because guess what? Not everyone is a cynic, nor depressed. Spielberg is a ray of light among these current trends.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:13 a.m. CST
If it's not summer fluff, it's Oscar bait. If it's not Oscar bait, it's summer fluff. Why do whiners always try to label things?
by Jay
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:16 a.m. CST
Looks like another winner...
by Darkness
Day-Lewis has been doing his homework, and the phonetic attempts of realising Lincoln's voice proves that. It might not be acurate, but who knows - something derivative within the textbooks perhaps. It seems people - and fans of his alike - wanted him to channel 'Plainview' once more: Now that would have been humerous. The film looks epic, with Daniel looking uncannily like the 16th president, with the rest of the cast throwing in there dollars worth. I hope, which i doubt, that they mention Mary Todd's bipolar; It's a long shot but would make for compelling drama. People still want to bring up that "Vampire Hunter" shit. The film was fucking horrendous and tarnishes the blokes name. I'm sure it goes down well in kids' History Ed classes.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:32 a.m. CST
Way too pompous & melodramatic for my taste
by GavinElster
That trailer is filled with embarassingly cheesy moments, and hints at a romanticized/idealized version of history that makes me want to throw away my Jaws Blu. Spielberg can be so heavy-handed as a director!
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:39 a.m. CST
This trailer is in need of more Jared Harris!
by notcher
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:43 a.m. CST
Uh, AI and Minority Report were NOT good
by WWBD
There were good moments in both. Both had almost the exact same problem of being 30 min. too long and unfocused.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:44 a.m. CST
If you really think the Republicans and Democrats of 1880 were at all like those of today...you need to learn your history
by WWBD
The parties have basically switched at this point. Look up the term Dixiecrat.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:45 a.m. CST
I sure wish
by macheesmo3
the talkbacks had everyone's age next to their name. This I way I could tell who are young idiotic know nothings,old idiotic know nothings, and middle aged grumps... Cuz sweet jesus some of you people would bitch if they hung ya with a new rope
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:49 a.m. CST
as far as the predictable Yankee comments about the south go,
by macheesmo3
I was born in Alabama, raised in Mississippi and have lived in Chicago, Baltimore, parts of Oklahoma, Florida and in Germany. The most blatant racism I have seen was in Illinois. In the south, people may say ugly,racist sounding things amongst their friends, But they would pull over and help a man of any color fix his car. Up north they seem to smile all the right ways and say all the right things in public, but as soon as a black man moves into the sub-division, the FOR SALE signs soon pop up. and as far as "southerners still haven't forgotten the war" goes.... why is it that it's always people from the Nawth who bring it up?
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:09 a.m. CST
I still see a lot of spielbergian visual flourishes, and that is not a bad thing at all.
by albert comin
And the cast is to kill for.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:14 a.m. CST
Thank fucking GOD that DDL isn't portraying Lincoln as Daniel Plainview
by Winston Smith
I was worried, a bit. The performance looks perfect. However, the music... my God, that's terrible. It's like 90s sentimentality at its worst, or like a shitty imitator of John Williams (and an imitation of Williams at his worst, mind you). The trailer isn't very well cut, either. But the film itself looks fantastic. I just hope the score is used sparingly.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:16 a.m. CST
Not every fucking movie has to be a cynical, depressing message about life.
by Winston Smith
Yeah, but the civil war is kind of depressing. A lot of terrible shit happened, and the country was in deep fucking trouble and the wounds of the war lasted for centuries. No worries, though. At least a dumbass such as yourself isn't a screewriter, and it sounds like Kushner really aimed to present a "warts and all" look at Lincoln and the war that tore America country in two.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:20 a.m. CST
Oscarbait if ever I saw it...
by Weresmurf77
Seriously. Spielburgs regular Oscarbait film, right on schedule. Still, does look better than his usual fare of the last few years.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:29 a.m. CST
Will probably do very well on home turf...
by David Franklin
...but really not sure whether anyone outside of the U S of A will give a monkeys. Personally this looked to be a re-run of Amistad with performances that are all about the history and weight of the subject rather than the drama of it. It IS just a trailer and I'll hold out, but this did nothing for me. It's all about 'Academy award winner (insert name)'. Bah!
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:35 a.m. CST
macheesmo3, THE REASON EVERYONE UP NORTH BRINGS UP THE CIVIL WAR IS BECAUSE WE KNOW THE SOUTH IS ALWAYS MOTIVATED BY IT!!!FACT!!! LOOK AT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF TODAY.....
by CreepyThinMan
Basically a regional southern party made up of old white bible thumpers who live in a fantasy of taking the USA back into some Waltons/Andy Griffith version of reality that never existed in the first place while most would be happy to drag the USA back to the good old days of slavery and burning women at the stake for being witches. We also know that Republican politicians ONLY goal is not to run Government effectively but to dismantle it at every opportunity in the demented hope of disolving the union so they can turn the South into their Consertvative fantasy land which would look like Somalia. Social security, education, infrastructure etc... are constant targets of the GOP who want to force the USA into their vision of a dog-eat-dog world. It's also a FACT that the southern states have a festering hatred for "elitist city slickers" (aka the educated) who live in Blue States which is why I don't think any knuckle dragging southern fucks shed a single tear when the USA was hit on 9/11 as New York represents everything that the South hates. But it made a convenient excuse for George W. Bush and the Republican party to launches wars based on lies and attack civil liberties. I find it amusing that the Southern states remind me soo much of the middle east; an area filled with backward ass fanatical religious fucksticks sitting on top of oil.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:41 a.m. CST
by CreepyThinMan
The CLEAN review..... "Everybody runs" Minority Report (2002): The nature of crime, punishment and free will. What would you do if you were accused of killing someone you've never met and could be imprisoned for life for something you haven't done? This is the basic premise of Minority Report, the movie Directed by Steven Spielberg and Starring Tom Cruise, based on the classic short-story of Sci-fi paranoia from author Phillip K. Dick. Set in the year 2054 A.D., Cruise plays John Anderton, head of "Pre-crime"- a government law enforcement division charged with arresting murderers before they kill anyone. The crimes are predicted by the "Pre-cogs" (as in precognitive – to see the future); two twin males and a woman living in near catatonia while floating in a liquid chamber that focuses their psychic abilities. When alerted to a future murder, Anderton has to decipher the Pre-cogs memories to find clues as to when and where the murder will take place; at this point, Anderton and his team chase down the perp, arrest the suspect and take them into custody. The criminal (who hasn't committed a crime) is then placed in unconscious stasis to serve out their sentence. But trouble abounds as the Pre-cogs predict that Anderton will kill a man that he's never met, forcing him to go on the run and prove his innocence. Spielberg's adaptation of Dick's story, scripted by Jon Cohen and Scott Frank, is a masterfully Directed slice of Sci-fi Noir mixed with Hitchcockian suspense and thrilling chase sequences. Regular Spielberg cinematographer Janusz Kaminski paints the frame with washed out hues, cold blues and reduces the visuals to almost monochromatic levels befitting the movie's dystopic nature. John William's score supports the narrative without being bombastic as Industrial Light and Magic provides the films expert visual effects while the supporting cast [Colin Farrell, Max von Sydow, Samantha Morton, Tim Blake Nelson and Kathryn Morris] put in solid work as Cruise gives a steely performance that keeps you glued to the screen. At the heart of the story is the nature of free will and the moral/ethical conundrums that knowledge of the future would bring, not only to society, but also to the individual. Could the state justify incarcerating people who have yet to kill someone, how would this affect civil liberties and could it be manipulated to wrongfully accuse someone? If you knew that you were going to kill a stranger, would you do it just because it was predicted and could you be manipulated into killing a person by telling them that they're going to do it? Minority Report plays with cause and effect while subverting your expectations as to how Anderton will solve the mystery. Simultaneously a 'will he do it' as much as a 'who done it', the film is highly entertaining and gives more food-for-thought than the usual summer fare. If there are criticism's to be had it's that, although Minority Report is a superior piece of entertainment, it's still designed to be a popcorn flick with a general audience in mind. Had Spielberg gone darker and made this for an adult audience, Minority Report could have been the Sci-fi equivalent of such a Noir masterpiece as Chinatown. The strengths of the film comes from Phillip K. Dick's brilliant original short story but Spielberg is too simple minded a Director to really milk the concept beyond its potential for Sci-fi chase sequences. Then there is the fact that the ending of the movie completely betrays the water tight logic of Dick's prose and resolves in typical Spielbergian sentiment while leaving some major plot holes unanswered as he fails to fill in the details of this bleak futurama. But my grievances with the film are born solely out of my love for the original short story and don't reflect what the average person would think of Minority Report which is an occasionally provoking piece of expertly made Sci-fi entertainment that I would recommend to anyone. Now the NOT-SO-CLEAN review..... I'm a HUGE fan of Phillip K. Dick so I have no choice but to give Minority Report a fisting. This time it takes the fantastic premise of Dick's original short story and, once again, Spielberg turns it into a movie made of technically superior set pieces barely held together by the theme of Free Will Vs. Destiny while giving John Anderton this bullshit back story of a missing child never mind that we never even find out what happened to the kid not to mention the laughable idea that a child could go missing in such a technologically superior era. They have eye scanners everywhere but no video surveillance at a PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL? Sorry but that shit doesn't wash with me. This movie is like a lot of Spielberg's in that it's lacking in technical details. The Pre-cogs can predict murder, okay, so how much range does their vision have? Is it only Washington? How do they plan on implementing Pre-crime nation wide? Wouldn't that involve cloning the pre-cogs and setting up pre-crime facilities in every city across the country? Just there I came up with some really good questions that could have led to some really interesting ideas that could have been sprinkled through the movie but instead Spielberg's brain can only focus on the simple premise of Free Will Vs. Destiny which he even manages to fuck up, flying right in the face of the brilliant, cold, hard logic of the original story. In the original story, Anderton is accused of a murder that he has no intention of committing. He goes on the run and discovers that a military General is the one who has set him up in the hope that it will discredit pre-crime. Anderton breaks into the pre-cog chamber and learns about the "minority report" that proposes the question "what would you do if you discovered that you were going to commit a murder" leading Anderton to believe that he has been arresting innocent people. However, he learns that every murder predicted has a minority report because one of the pre-cogs, the female, is out of sink with the twins. This allows her to see a future where the person is given a choice but if the person would commit the murder either way then they have a majority report and Pre-Crime arrests them. Anderton learns that he has no minority report and that all three pre-cogs predict he will kill the General. Now knowing that Pre-crime does indeed work, Anderton decides that he must kill the General or Pre-Crime will be shut down. He kills the General and is given a suspended sentence to an off world colony. I haven't read the story in a few years so some of the details are fuzzy but that is the jist of it. Dick's story is so tightly constructed that had Spielberg expanded on it, while retaining the water tight logic, we could have had a Sci-fi masterpiece. But instead he gives us this bullshit ending where the pre-cogs see Anderton being shot to death by Max Von Sydow who ends up shooting himself instead which completely shits on everything we have seen over the last two hours including the fact that Anderton accidentally kills the man who he thinks abducted and murder his son. That part of the movie was brilliant in how the pre-cogs vision looked like Anderton deliberately murdered the man named Crow but the problem is that the death was accidental which creates all sorts of issues as they shouldn't have seen the death since Anderton chose NOT TO murder Crow and thus shouldn't have been registered by the pre-cogs as a murder in the first place. The movie spends so much time establishing the pre-cogs abilities while also showing them off during the chase with Anderton and the pre-cog Agatha that it's a complete fucking cheat that they show Anderton being murdered by Sydow and then just has him kill himself. Bull. Shit. I think the reason that Spielberg and Cruise fucked with the pre-cogs logic is that their bleeding heart liberal sensibilities (and I FUCKING HATE saying that because I'm a lefty liberal type myself) couldn't allow the idea that people were being arrested for crimes that they haven't yet committed although they would have. So we end up with a stoopid fucking ending where Cruise and his Ex wife are now back together and she is expecting another child even though we still don't know what happened to their first kid. The Pre-cogs are living together in a cabin in the middle of fucking nowhere which is convenient since the movie doesn't have to explain how they live the rest of their lives. But most irritating is how Pre-crime is shut down and we don't learn if the murder rate in D.C. skyrockets or even if that guy went back and killed his cheating wife. The problem with Hollywood adapting Phillip K. Dick is that they strip the premises of his stories to their core, uses them as the basis for action flicks while ignoring the intellectual and philosophical theme's that run through his work. If you want a real PKD movie then you should watch A Scanner Darkly as it is the best adaptation of his work so far and perfectly captures his voice in ways that are beyond the simplistic comprehension of Steven Spielberg.
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:14 a.m. CST
cleetdog101, why don't you finish the quote....
by Clio
*I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.* Of course slavery was the central issue of the war. Southern politicians took their states out of the Union to protect the institution of slavery, and they used States Rights as the mechanism by which they did that. And the most influential southerners, the wealthy, the slaveowners, and politicians used race-baiting to an unprecedented degree throughout in 1860 and early 1861 to ensure that the majority of southerners, mostly non-slaver owners, were with them. Read any southern newspaper editorial during that election campaign and you'll see why the south seceded....they make it crystal clear that slavery was the cause. Every Ordinance of Secession focused on slavery as the reason. My own state of Texas, in its Ordinance, gave 17 reasons for leaving the Union, and 13 of them dealt with the issue of slavery.
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:21 a.m. CST
Can someone please list a few films that are moving and powerful without being so-called manipulative?
by Nerd Rage
and what makes a movie manipulative?
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:28 a.m. CST
I do hope that the music in this trailer isn't representative of John Williams's score for this movie. It's a bit too much tugging at the heartstrings.
by Mr. Pricklepants
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:41 a.m. CST
by Gabba-UK
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:42 a.m. CST
If you look closely, Lincoln has yellow teeth. Nice touch in being true to the period.
by Orionsangels
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:43 a.m. CST
Might as well give Daniel Day Lewis the Oscar now
by Joe
It's pretty much in the bag.
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:44 a.m. CST
Just because it's Oscarbait doesn't mean it won't be great
by Joe
It looks stunning. Spielberg haters need to get a life.
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:46 a.m. CST
Even IF the Spielberg of 21st century isn't as great as the 80s/early 90s Spielberg, that man has more than earned his legendary status with...
by Joe
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:47 a.m. CST
And actually, TINTIN was something of a return to the 80s Spielberg
by Joe
A pity it didn't do better in the States.
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:49 a.m. CST
What's up with the cast?
by thebearovingian
All-Star cast? Sally Field, Tommy Lee Jones, Hal Holbrook, Strathairn etc. Ehh, to me they don't seem to blend. And is Joseph Gordon Levitt in this, too (at the 1:15 mark)?
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST
Well. That looks good.
by Gabba-UK
My understanding of the American Civil War is likely on a par with the average Americans understanding of the English Civil War. But I was taught enough at school to know how important Lincoln was to the development of the US and set it on course to be the superpower it is today. I shall be watching this with great interest.
Sept. 14, 2012, 5:18 a.m. CST
Respect and admire the history of this greatly, but it looks like a snore-fest of a movie.
by Aiden Blackwell
Sept. 14, 2012, 5:25 a.m. CST
The War Horse trailer looked epic as well
by MamboMan
and it was boring as hell. Hopefully Spielberg gets it right with this one.
Sept. 14, 2012, 6:04 a.m. CST
Creepythinman, howve you been my friend?
by Bobo_Vision
Sept. 14, 2012, 6:08 a.m. CST
bobo_vision, I'M DOING VERY WELL AND I HOPE YOU'VE BEEN THE SAME!!!FACT!!!
by CreepyThinMan
Sept. 14, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST
moreso on topic, if i like movies am i supposed to like Spielberg?
by Balkin Flabgurter
I love Indy and ET, Raiders more so and don't get me wrong Jurassic Park was a huge part of my childhood, but he's still human, and those movies were a long ass time ago. So i am just wondering why i should worship a prolific director like he IS film?
Sept. 14, 2012, 7:14 a.m. CST
first spielberg movie I'm looking forward to since...
by Deep Roots
geez, whew. Uh, let's see.... Tin-Tin orrrr maybe War-Horse. been a while
Sept. 14, 2012, 7:20 a.m. CST
This is real right? Not a Tropic Thunder parody?
by DiscreetFighterAlpha
Looks like a rridiculous Oscar-baity claptrap where everyone's going full retard, except the disability in this case is no one is able to dial down the ham.
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST
It looks overly earnest, and somewhat sentimentally cloying.
by MovieManStill
What's with so much fawning? Has everyone turned into a mass of goo? Regardless, I always liked Raymond Massey's portrayal in 1940. Somewhat scary, but forceful. (And will people stop pretending that they have no idea that Lincoln had a high-pitched voice. Good God.)
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:01 a.m. CST
Hmm let me guess Rated PG-13 - Looks very Boring like J. edger and guarantee that there will be no head shot in the movie... Pass
by Creative
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:03 a.m. CST
rebublican or Not our democratic party has dropped the ball and look more like the new Nazi Party. I am stuck between two different Nazi party's for prez... I am writing in my vote
by Creative
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
Sentimental, Patronising and Full Of Self-Importance
by Stewart Wolfe
Oh, dear. Oh, dear, oh, dear, oh, dear. This looks like an episode from The Waltons. Replete with buckets of gooey sentimentality, self-importance and self-referentiality. Every cast member seems sooooo earnest, soooo enamoured of the material that the thing borders on self-parody. Stirring music, dialogue that spouts platitudes and - something I never thought I'd say - Daniel Day Lewis coming across an unintentionally funny in a serious role, complete with meaningless faraway looks that supposed to signify deep, hidden meanings and thoughts. He looks in this this trailer, at least, quite absurd. Hugely disappointing.
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:20 a.m. CST
Let the Haters Hate this looks damn good
by Wcwlkr
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:23 a.m. CST
This is going to flop, it just looks so cloying
by Big_Daddy_Nero
I don't know.. from the trailer, it feels like they have made a movie aboutmodern interpretations of the mythos around the figure, rather than making anything which looks actually real. Almost like some kind of cultish religious tract.. hrmm.. I just don't get good vibes from it. Maybe it doesn't help that I am not a particularly big DDL fan..
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:25 a.m. CST
Just because the trailer has a This Is An Important Movie tone doesn't
by Brian Hopper
mean the movie isn't any good. When you ignore the 'stirring' music and pay attention to the scenes, it looks like a straightforward historical drama (not melodrama, you basement dwellers... that's another thing) with a sense of accuracy to the politics of the time. I like Massey's and Fonda's takes on Lincoln, but DDL looks in every way superior to those performances... clearly, an attempt to nail down Lincoln as he actually was, not the Lincoln of popular imagination. Could this be another Gandhi (so-so, self-important movie about a great man): yeah. But I think it's gonna be something more than that.
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:31 a.m. CST
Here's accuracy for ya, When He gets his head shot there is a ton of blood.... Oh and the civil war had lots of blood too, so No blood no historical accuracy
by Creative
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:42 a.m. CST
Beautiful crisp colors.
by tradeskilz
I feared this would get a washed out home-made look.
Sept. 14, 2012, 8:47 a.m. CST
Nobody outside of the US cares about this Lincoln asshole.
by tradeskilz
What a douche.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:03 a.m. CST
AICN is so depressing. It's so clear the majority of hot pocket-eating, basement-dwelling Batman sluts on this site haven't
by Brian Hopper
picked up a history book or for that matter spent time watching movies outside of the comics-industrial complex inhabited by Marvel and the Michael Bay-style hacks. Read any book on Lincoln or the Civil War (I recommend Oates's With Malice Toward None) and you get the flavor of intense personal and political struggle for Lincoln and the nation. It's almost impossible to make the material melodramatic or overwrought because it's so tortuous to begin with. What I'm seeing in this trailer (if you set aside the soaring music and few tug-at-your-heartstrings bits) is an attempt to nail down the realistic politics and conflicts of the time. This looks relatively understated to me, which is encouraging for the film in general. Could it suck? Yeah. It might be a total Give-Me-An-Oscar borefest. But the trailer clearly suggests there might be more going on here. DDL's performance already looks brave... flying in the face of 150 years of popular 'heroic' depictions of a truly great but complex human being. Jesus Christ, give the film a chance.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
WCW, drop your "haters" bullshit.
by MovieManStill
It's such a lame attempt to discredit an opinion. I don't know what generation you populate, but join the grown-ups.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
Lincoln as he actually was.
by MovieManStill
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:07 a.m. CST
m6y Come on. Nobody outside of the US believes Lincoln killed vampires.
by tradeskilz
We don't want to read books about some American killing vampires and pretend it's history lol yolo!
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:21 a.m. CST
The Voice
by Chadley BeBay
is a major letdown.. why does Abe sound like Bill Clinton?!
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:28 a.m. CST
Lincoln was from Kentucky (and southern Indiana and Illinois).
by Brian Hopper
THAT'S why he sounds like that. It's accurate.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:33 a.m. CST
"Tugs on the heartstrings and fogs the mind" - Kent Brockman
by Yamato
Not a very historical depiction. Very over the top emotional film, almost a caricature of Spielberg movies.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:37 a.m. CST
I can see why Neeson passed on the role
by seasider
As much as I like Liam, I don't think he could've pulled off the accent and immersed himself deep into the character like Daniel Day-Lewis has.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:39 a.m. CST
Does the editing/style of this trailer bug anyone else?
by RogueWarrior65
Just when my eyes are able to focus on the imagery, the damn editor fades to black. What a hatchet job.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:42 a.m. CST
Steven Spielberg's "Abraham Lincoln" - Winner of the Bejing Film Festival's coveted Crying Monkey Award
by Yamato
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:57 a.m. CST
The Master will win Best Picture, but Lincoln will get its due by choosing DDL for a THIRD Best Actor over Hoffman and Phoenix
by Dogmatic
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST
Blue and Orange
by ozjthomas
Why is the film looking so blue and orange?
Sept. 14, 2012, 10 a.m. CST
by Inglorious Bastard
Neeson passed because it took too long for the production to begin and he wanted to work, not because he couldn't do it. He was attached to the project for a really long time.
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:01 a.m. CST
Still looks pretty good
by ozjthomas
Don't get me wrong, it looks good, but the overuse of blue and orange gives it a strange look to me. Looks like it could be a good historical film from a great filmmaker.
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:02 a.m. CST
I'm glad no one listens to talkbackers
by D.Vader
No one would see any movies bc everyone here declares them all as crap before they've been seen.
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:16 a.m. CST
Will he change it digitally so that Lincoln shot first?
by kindofabigdeal
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST
OF COURSE nobody listens to "talkbackers"
by MovieManStill
Regardless, this is about expressing opinions, thus a "talkback"........we are commenting on the trailer, as posted. Not a film. Get your Underoos out of a wad.
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:17 a.m. CST
I thought this was about a big expensive car
by clancy021061
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:21 a.m. CST
My god how old is Hal Holbrook?
by clancy021061
And glad to see him.
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:29 a.m. CST
Kindofabigdeal, no, but it will CGI a torch in place of Booth's pistol.
by Dogmatic
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:30 a.m. CST
clancy021061, Hal Holbrook is 45. Life in Hollywood is full of hard living.
by Dogmatic
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:47 a.m. CST
In defense of A.I., War of the Worlds, & Minority Report
by David Hinson
I honestly don' know where the vitriol comes from for these movies. I thought they were all amazing. By the way, I also dont think everything Mr. Spielberg does is good. I wasnt keen on 1942, Crystal Skull, or Lost World. Also, Munich was an incredible film. Its odd to me that a man that has done as much for film and has continuously given his full measure of devotion to each production has so many detractors on this site. Spielberg for many of us was the manifestation of our limitless imaginations. He brought our fantasies to life and has earned our respect. This is a man with a 40 year body of incredible work. There is no other director that can work across genres as effortlessly as he does. Enjoy the fact that he is till making movies. I guarantee that once he is gone his art dies with him. Go to the cinemas, lose your pessimism, open up a bit and allow yourself a moment of child-like awe. Hope that wasnt too preachy. Good day.
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
It was.
by MovieManStill
Sept. 14, 2012, 10:59 a.m. CST
Just watched Carpenter's "The Fog." Holbrook looked close to death in THAT movie. Geez!!!
by notcher
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:02 a.m. CST
Hal Holbrook for the win!
by Somerichs
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:06 a.m. CST
I must admit, the "Shall we stop this bleeding" made me laugh. Hopefully the actual movie isn't that melodramatic. PLEASE SPIELBERG, DON'T FUCK THIS UP!!!
by notcher
I know he has it in him to make one more great film. I don't like this trailer, but I will still hold my breath that the movie isn't how the trailer portrays it.
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:12 a.m. CST
LikeDotheChCha, you answered your own question.
by notcher
Spielberg is a master, and everyone here recognizes it for the most part, that is why his latest films have received a drubbing. He's better than what he's ben making, and we're just hoping for something better. Spielberg is my favorite of all time, and nothing he does till the day he dies will change that, but that won't stop me from calling BULLSHIT. However, as I previously posted, I will go into "Lincoln" with an open mind, I just didn't like the trailer is all.
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:28 a.m. CST
Mary Lincoln
by crackinthepavement
Although it's intitally off-putting, I like that they have attempted to tackle Lincoln's actual high pitched voice. BUT, make no mistake, Mary Lincoln was known to be rather psycho- and pretty much disliked by all of his contemporaries. This Sally Fields character is crap.
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:39 a.m. CST
Lincoln's actual voice...
by Playkins
DDL looks/sounds amazing in that role, but it got me curious- I wonder what Lincoln's actual voice sounded like? I found a neat article: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Ask-an-Expert-What-Did-Abraham-Lincolns-Voice-Sound-Like.html
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:40 a.m. CST
Crackinpavement, Good call. sally Field=BAD CHOICE
by notcher
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:48 a.m. CST
John Adams
by Dr.007
now that was how you do it. personal, historical, time to develop actual themes and give insight into the man - this will be 3 hours of melodramatic blah-ness. I hope I'm wrong, but i really dont see anything particularly new here beyond one amazing makeup job. ( can you win an oscar for DDL and have it taken back for TLJ?)
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
Quick poll: Which war is next up for Spielberg?
by Dr.007
im going Falklands Conflict (as seen through the eyes of a young girl and her penguin)
Sept. 14, 2012, 11:51 a.m. CST
The thing that i fear the most about this movie will be the score, and the trailer is not inspiring me much confidence
by albert comin
But otherwise, it looks pretty solid to me. I think the perfect way would be this movie to not have a score at all. Let the acting and the camerawork do the emoting. I even believe most movies this days are over-scored.
Sept. 14, 2012, noon CST
My understanding (admittedly limited) is that Lincoln abolished slavery for economic, not ethical reasons
by Rebel Scumb
I'm not american, so admittedly my research on this is limited, but I always understood that the abolition of slavery was because it gave the south a decided economic advantage over the north where cold winters made keeping slaves impractical as they had to be kept year round but only could work half the year due to the cold winters, so to equalize the ecomony the north tried (and ultimately succeeded) in abolishing slavery nationwide Now abolishing slavery happens to also be the moral and ethical thing to do, but I always got the impression that notion was superimpossed onto Lincoln after the fact, and not that he was some radical (for his times) great lover of blacks who felt they deserved freedom. But like I said that's just my limited exposure to the historical situation, feel free to correct me.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:05 p.m. CST
People stay with me here...Tommy Lee Jones is wearing a wig BECAUSE.......
by Darth Saruman
.....he's portraying Thaddeus Stevens who ACTUALLY WORE A WIG in real life. Reading is FUN-damental.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:17 p.m. CST
RE: Lincoln's Voice
by jorson28
I didn't think DDL's voice was too high, but actually, there are descriptions of Lincoln's real voice that almost liken to that of a girl's in that it really was kind of high, and soft and even accented. If I have an potential criticism based on the trailer, I'd say the performance might be a little too high-strung. Yeah, Lincoln suffered from what was sometimes debilitating depression and mood swings, but his demeanor was generally congenial, with a sort of quiet, humble wit occasionally interrupted by a loud laugh. I like the imagery of the trailer, but I'm on the fence about the tone and the performances - which, granted, can't really be judged fairly until the final film is seen. I also think that Lincoln comes across as a bit too fragile in some clips, walking around with his shoulders wrapped like someone with a bad cold or a severely anemic 80 year-old that is constantly shivering. Yeah, his looks did change and he did seem to age a lot over the course of the Civil War - and, of course, no actor is going to look EXACTLY like Lincoln - but by all accounts, he was an imposing figure in height and stronger than his lanky appearance might have suggested. As long as this project has been in development, it does make me wonder now what it would have been like had Spielberg been able to keep Neeson in the role. Neeson has the physicality in terms of height, but I don't think he quite has the right voice. Anyway, we'll see how it all pans out in November.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:28 p.m. CST
by Jazzy Jerk
"and as far as 'southerners still haven't forgotten the war' goes.... why is it that it's always people from the Nawth who bring it up?" Because of the stupid white trash rednecks in the South who fly Confederate flags.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:40 p.m. CST
by Chris
Lincoln was an anti-slavery candidate running on a third party Republican ticket with the promise to preserve the Union at any cost. The South was very bitter toward the North because the Federal Government was positioned there, in addition to the fact that because of the Missouri Compromise and other decisions made by the Federal Northern Government there would be no more slave states added to the Union. This severely limited the Souths say in what went on at the Federal level. In addition to the above mentioned there were trade disputes. The North had raised the price of tariffs on foreign goods, which the South relied heavily on. The South, having been ran by plantation owners who used slave labor, had a stagnant economy. They could not afford such high tariffs and taxes. The North, on the other hand, saw an industrial boom because of the immigrant work force that arrived from Europe. They couldn't work in the South because the South used slaves. So the North became an industrial power house with more factories equaling more people equaling more votes. Realizing their interests were no longer being met by the Federal Government and the Union made in the 1770's, the South finally stopped talking of secession and left the Union. As the war raged on the South sought aid from other countries, primarily France and England. Had it gone as planned those countries would've supplied the South with arms and maybe even mercenary forces. Lincoln went ahead and emancipated all Southern property to the hands of the Federal Government, thus freeing the slaves. England and France were staunchly anti-slavery, and now that the Civil War was about property and slavery it would not be supported by the citizens of those countries. The choice to make the Civil War about slavery was a smart political move that alienated the South from its foreign trade partners and allies. The rest is history... if you read the right history books, that is.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:44 p.m. CST
1855 quote: 'You know I dislike slavery; and you fully admit the abstract wrong of it.'
by Brian Hopper
That's 1855, in a letter to his pal Joshua Speed. He's on the record in the 1840s opposing slavery (via support of anti-slavery laws). Lincoln was against slavery his whole life. Fact.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:46 p.m. CST
Seems movies like this don't get made much any more. Kudos to Spielberg and everybody involved for tackling such a historical icon. Pretty moving. I look forward to seeing this.
by Buck Turgidson
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:49 p.m. CST
Slavery IS an economic issue.
by ColonelFatheart
In fact, it is perhaps the most clear-cut economic issue of all time. One group of people is rich because it relies on goods produced by unpaid labor.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
m6y is correct. Lincoln was against slavery his entire life, but that wasn't the only thing the Civil War was fought over.
by Chris
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:54 p.m. CST
by Chris
Actually, most people in the South were poor. The plantation owners were the rich ones, but even they were struggling with a stagnant economy due to their practice of slavery. Had the war not occurred, the South would have collapsed from the weight of the taxes on their backs or a slave uprising.
Sept. 14, 2012, 12:56 p.m. CST
All in all, the trailer looks good. I'll reserve my final judgement for when the movie comes out.
by Chris
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:15 p.m. CST
This will just add to the myth that Abe fought the civil war to free the slaves.
by MISTER RUMBLES
Same rewritten sugar coated historical bullshit I learned in my sad excuse for a school. DDL will be awesome, as always.
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
BORING! VERY!!! Who wants to go to the theater for History Channel stuff? will FLOP!
by Dan Tran
Spielberg has not done a decent film in a long time: AI, War Horse ... he should just quit.
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:21 p.m. CST
How many damn voices does DDL have?
by Tim
The guy is just too amazing
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:26 p.m. CST
I dunno, I'm getting an AMISTAD vibe here
by BenBraddock
and I don't mean that as a compliment. Looks like another stuffed shirt of a movie, though I hope I'm wrong.
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:39 p.m. CST
Lincoln's voice.....
by sullafelix
Sounds like Daniel day-Lewis did it right. Most contemporaries of Lincoln said his voice was higher-pitched than would be expected by a man of his size. And making Lincoln sound like Lee Marvin, or on the opposite end, Mickey Mouse, would be just plain stupid. We obviously don't know exactly what he sounded like. Day-Lewis has raised the pitch of his voice, but not alarmingly so. Good work. I'm really looking forward to this.
Sept. 14, 2012, 1:41 p.m. CST
mister_rumbles: Nothing more apathetic than historical apologists.
by Playkins
Motive is less important than outcome. Which was the more important part of WW2, that the US protected its European trade interests or that the Nazis were knocked the fuck out?
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:11 p.m. CST
@Mr playkins
by albert comin
But if the US had intervened sooner it would had been pretty sweet.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:13 p.m. CST
Personally, the score, while some seem disappointed, is what has me extremely excited. Anybody note strong similarities to the mass orchestrations of Aaron Copeland?
by ChaunceyGardiner
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST
retraction: Aaron Copland.
by ChaunceyGardiner
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:24 p.m. CST
Daniel Day-Lewis' will become the voice from which will hear Pres. Lincoln's majestral words from hence forth. Bravo. He has breathed life into their sustenance.
by ChaunceyGardiner
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:40 p.m. CST
by ColonelFatheart
I'm not disputing that. The group in my formulation is very much the rich plantation owners. But the numerous poor whites still drew that *psychic wage* of being considered better than the enslaved blacks because they had least could work for some kind of compensation, however meager.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:51 p.m. CST
Best Actor race 2012: Daniel Day-Lewis as Abe Lincoln vs. Bill Murray as FDR vs. Phil Hoffman as (basically) L. Ron Hubbard.
by Sam Lloyd
...Shit, I might actually watch the fucking Oscars this year.
Sept. 14, 2012, 2:58 p.m. CST
Iron Man at 1:04!! Is this an Avengers prequel?
by BilboRing
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:08 p.m. CST
ColonelFatHeart, being a Southerner (even got pictures, tin-types no less, handed down over multiple generations of ancestors donning their old coats at a veterans' reunion) this has long been a source of contemplation for me, how poor Southerners justifi
by ChaunceyGardiner
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:12 p.m. CST
A slight assauge to my query was found in quite an innocuous place: in a college history course, I stumbled across a series of national maps showing census information. I actually went back after class to have the teacher run back through the presentati
by ChaunceyGardiner
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:14 p.m. CST
While they were presented to merely show national trends, I sensed a larger meaning and importance of the information from what was originally a bland composite of dates and facts: prior to the War, the South almost had no public schools. Education was
by ChaunceyGardiner
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:17 p.m. CST
You think this movie is going to be (quote) something more (/quote) than GANDHI !?!?!? Get a fucking clue!!!!
by golden tribw
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:20 p.m. CST
Crap. Not what I intended. Got carried away with myself. Here's the entirety of my spiel, Mr. Fat Heart.
by ChaunceyGardiner
ColonelFatHeart, being a Southerner (even got pictures, tin-types no less, handed down over multiple generations of ancestors donning their old coats at a veterans' reunion) this has long been a source of contemplation for me, how poor Southerners justified the war. A slight assauge to my query was found in quite an innocuous place: in a college history course, I stumbled across a series of national maps showing census information. I actually went back after class to have the teacher run back through the presentation to find the slides again. While they were presented to merely show national trends, I sensed a larger meaning and importance of the information from what was originally a bland composite of dates and facts: prior to the War, the South almost had no public schools. Education was reserved for the wealthy. It was a privelege denied to many. So most Southerners, white and black alike, were a people starved by the ruling Planter Class. That is what so many Pro-Confederates either cannot comprehend, or dare not express their desire for, that the South pre-War was built upon a severe Class system that was exclusive as any society our Nation has yet seen. And yet blindness and ignorance continue to infect so many, stuck to their old ideals as if a sabre planted in their back pocket, a rapier with which to divide conversation - and people.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:36 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Thanks! That was indeed informative. And would make for far more interesting storytelling in a 'The Wire' sort of way then what this movie appears to be. It would be interesting to see an HBO series, in the style and quality of Boardwalk Empire covering this period of history. Amistad, it's amazing first 5 minutes aside, is one of the worst and most patronizing movies I've ever seen and really for me when 'classic spielberg' left the arena and 'new spielberg' entered. WHile Amistad is full if insulting moments, I think perhaps the worst is when the triumphant Williams score rises at the end in the final montage and a quick shot of a battlefield with the title card 'and the amerians fought their civil war...' as if the greatest waste of lives the USA has ever seen can be reduced to one quick heartwarming soundbyte. Anyways, my point is just from this trailer at least this Lincoln pic feels much in the vein of Amistad.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:40 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Fair enough, like I said my research on the subject is fairly limited.
Sept. 14, 2012, 3:47 p.m. CST
by Rebel Scumb
Well put. In my experience many social issues, in any country ultimately always boil down to education, or lack there of. A lady friend of mine who does legal work abroad primarily of charitable nature says it is shocking how much of a correlation can be seen, no matter what country she visits between the quality and accessibility the people to education, when compared to a variety of issues anywhere from social attitudes, to AIDS infection rates, to economic power, to crime rates, resistence to corporate influence, womens rights, etc.
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST
The cause of the Civil War, summarized:
by Brian Hopper
Proctor: All right, here's your last question. What was the cause of the Civil War? Apu: Actually, there were numerous causes. Aside from the obvious schism between the abolitionists and the anti-abolitionists, there were economic factors, both domestic and inter— Proctor: Wait, wait... just say slavery. Apu: Slavery it is, sir.
Sept. 14, 2012, 4:51 p.m. CST
And the Oscar Goes To...
by Evil Chicken
Mr. Daniel Day Lewis. (Best Actor) Mr. Steven Spielberg (Director)
Sept. 14, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
The cause of the Civil War, REALLY summarized:
by MaxHeadroom
Every single secession announcement from EVERY SINGLE southern state mentioned slavery as their main reason for leaving the Union. Therefore, it WAS mostly just slavery. The economic and cultural issues were of long standing and not nearly as important.
Sept. 14, 2012, 7:08 p.m. CST
some quite stunning lookalikes in this
by snaredrum
the casting guys have been BUSY.
Sept. 14, 2012, 7:09 p.m. CST
Faith in D-Day
by mattythelionheart
His resume shows he's obsessive with his projects, and minus that dumb musical, every single movie he's acted in has been stellar. I don't think he would walk into this blindly for a politically correct, puff piece about an American President.
Sept. 14, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
The voice
by mrbonefish
Is just so fucking weak. Sounds like a weenie. Oh well.
Sept. 15, 2012, 6:10 a.m. CST
Will they show the slaves who worked on the White House?
by Iamjohngalt
Of course not. The war was never, ever fought over slavery - like any other war, it was fought to make rich plutocrats richer. Lincoln was a corporate lawyer and as President he served those same interests. The South seceded mainly over the gross overburden of taxes they paid compared to the North. When they got sick of it and went their own way, Lincoln waged a criminal war of aggression to get those pesky southerners back under control. Lincoln and crew gave us the income tax, central banking, imprisoning the press, imprisoning dissenters, the draft, waging war against civilians, and the big central government Hamilton only dreamed about. So I guess you could say he is truly the father of modern America. Am I glorifying the South and its institution of slavery? Of course not. But that isn't the point, nor was it of the civil war. Every other country in the world that had slavery abolished it without a civil war. In any case, enjoy the fiction that Spielberg has vomited up on the screen, kids, and just remember it's just that - fiction.
Sept. 15, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST
by pr0g2west
Sounds like you need to smoke a joint. It's a movie.
Sept. 15, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST
Saying the Civil War was about taxes and not slavery is
by Brian Hopper
the functional equivalent of saying separate lunch counters, back of the bus, denying black kids the ability to go to universities and other insults to human dignity were about about states' rights and not bigotry. Total red herring. It's obvious Lincoln was politically savvy enough to know that — although he publicly stated his objective was to preserve a whole United States — the terminal result of the Civil War had to be the end of slavery. That is, there would be no future United States if slavery existed with it. Even Jefferson (a slaveowner!) saw it many years before: 'I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.' He saw the future. Slavery had to end one day. Lincoln saw it, too. The Civil War WAS fought over slavery.
Sept. 15, 2012, 10:34 a.m. CST
by seasider
To answer your first question. The movie is about Abraham Lincoln not John Adams so no they will not show the slaves who built the white house. However, if you watch HBO produced miniseries "John Adams" they do show slaves working on the white house so if you're into that sort of thing, I'd recommend that episode. As people have pointed out here, there were a lot of factors at play as to why the Civil War happened but slavery was the big one and anyone who tries to spin it any other way must have a bridge in brooklyn to sell you.
Sept. 15, 2012, 12:20 p.m. CST
I am really don't understand the praise
by marcspector
This looks even less inspired than many of Spielberg's less inspired films. I suspect someone in the marketing department for Lincoln has access to talk back. Please stop.
Sept. 15, 2012, 12:50 p.m. CST
by Dan
Please shut your gob. I've never read anything more ignorant and outright stupid in my life. Get back to video game playing and get off the computer before your mom gets mad. A.I. is a masterpiece....
Sept. 15, 2012, 12:52 p.m. CST
The war was also fought over states rights too...
by Dan
The south took offense to the government meddling and telling them to end slavery even though it was the foundation of their economic survival.
Sept. 15, 2012, 12:58 p.m. CST
"cloying emotionality" that's not even a real phrase!
by Dan
Stop trying to be hip, cynical and cool and smart by slamming stuff you have no clue about...geez.
Sept. 15, 2012, 1:33 p.m. CST
The South was into State Rights when convenient. They had no problem trampling on other states laws to hunt fugitive slaves.
by whatevillurks
Sept. 15, 2012, 4:13 p.m. CST
black people wont give a shit about this film
by JAMF
Sept. 15, 2012, 6:37 p.m. CST
John Galt=Fail
by David Duchovny
What a full of shit post. Overflowing with shitty goodness. I could practically smell it when I was reading it. Anyone who follows that selfish cunt Ayn Rand deserves rectal herpes.
Sept. 15, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
Looking foward to this movie....
by The Chebb
...as it has the look of an Academy Award winner and an enjoyable one at that.
Sept. 18, 2012, 6:59 a.m. CST
Like to see a mash up...
by Dazzler69
of this film and vampire hunting Lincoln someday.
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