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All The Details On THE DARK KNIGHT RISES Blu-ray & DVD Releases!!
The Kidd here...
Not too long ago, word started leaking out about Warner Bros. packaging for the home release of THE DARK KNIGHT RISES. Multiple versions would be put out across the Blu-ray and DVD formats for you to pick and choose from, which really boiled down to whether or not you wanted to drop the extra coin on having your very own busted-up Batman cowl to go along with the movie in your collection.
Today, Warner Bros. released all the details of those sets, so you know exactly what you'll be getting for your money when THE DARK KNIGHT RISES hits the market on December 4.
Here's what you need to know:
"The Dark Knight Rises" arrives this holiday season onto Blu-ray Combo Pack, DVD and Digital Download on December 4 from Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Group. In the epic conclusion to filmmaker Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight trilogy, Gotham City is threatened by the masked terrorist Bane, forcing Batman to return from an eight-year absence and fight for his city one more time.
Also available will be the free "The Dark Knight Rises" app for IOS 5.0 or higher compatible devices including iPhone and iPad, and Samsung Galaxy devices including S2, S3, Note, Nexus and Tab (operating system requirements vary by device). Building upon the already available "TDKR: Gotham City's Most Wanted" app, "The Dark Knight Rises" app will be updated in two phases. The first update, which will be available in late October, will include several interactive activities such as a photo application that will allow users to put themselves into a Tumbler, a video application that will allow users to insert a Tumbler into their personal videos, and more. The second update, which will be available on December 4, will integrate second screen functionality into the app. It will allow users to sync compatible mobile devices with the Blu-ray disc via BD-Live enabled Blu-ray players connected to the same Local Area Network to access exclusive bonus content. The bonus content will include film location information, Gotham City maps, film trivia, photo galleries and "making of" featurettes. In addition, the second screen app controls playback of the film on your TV via Blu-ray player. "The Dark Knight Rises" app will be available through the iTunes store and Google Play.
"The Dark Knight Rises" will be available on Blu-ray Combo Pack for $35.99 and on single disc DVD for $28.98. The Blu-ray Combo Pack features the film in hi-definition on Blu-ray and in standard definition on DVD. "The Dark Knight Rises" Blu-ray disc takes advantage of the marriage of IMAX® and 35mm formats by using the hybrid master to replicate the unique theatrical experience of integrated film formats. Both the Blu-ray Combo Pack and the single disc DVD include UltraViolet which allows consumers to download and instantly stream the standard definition version of the film to a wide range of devices including computers and compatible tablets, smartphones, game consoles, Internet-connected TVs and Blu-ray players.*
Also available December 4, just in time for holiday gift-giving, Warner Bros. Home Entertainment will release "The Dark Knight Trilogy Limited Edition Giftset," featuring "Batman Begins," "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Rises" all in one collection. Available on Blu-ray or standard definition DVD, "The Dark Knight Trilogy Limited Edition Giftset" will also include a premium book exclusive to the collection, which takes fans deeper into the epic franchise, as well as existing special features. Warner Bros. Home Entertainment also plans to release "The Dark Knight Trilogy Ultimate Collector's Edition" in 2013.
-"THE BATMOBILE" DOCUMENTARY: Witness all five Batmobiles together for the first time in history. Dive deep into every aspect of the most awe-inspiring weapon in Batman's arsenal as you journey through the birth and evolution of this technological marvel and cultural icon.
-ENDING THE KNIGHT: A comprehensive look into how Director Christopher Nolan and his production team made "The Dark Knight Rises" the epic conclusion to the Dark Knight legend.
-Production :
- The Prologue: High-Altitude Hijacking
- Return to the Batcave
- Beneath Gotham The Bat
- Batman vs Bane
- Armory Accepted
- Gameday Destruction
- Demolishing a City Street
- The Pit
- The Chant
- The War on Wall Street
- Race to the Reactor
-Characters :
- The Journey of Bruce Wayne
- Gotham's Reckoning
- A Girls Gotta Eat
-Reflections :
- Shadows & Light in Large Format
- The End of A Legend
- Trailers
- Art Galleries
- UltraViolet: Instantly stream and download films to compatible devices
- The Journey of Bruce Wayne
- UltraViolet: Instantly stream and download films to compatible devices
As for what each of these versions will look like... well, have a gander at the box art and packaging you should be on the look out for come December.
I know there's going to be a lot of temptation to wait it out until next year for this Ultimate Collector's Edition Trilogy that Warner Bros. made passing mention of, but who knows how much that is going to run you... Fans tried waiting it out for something of the sort when it came to the Harry Potter series, and that humongous Collector's Edition wound up running you close to 300 bucks.
I wish we could get the trilogy WITH that Batman cowl, altogether in one package, but it looks like Warner Bros. Home Entertainment either wants us to grab them both or have to make a rather difficult choice. Unless that trilogy package is offering up something the previous two solo releases don't have though, the Limited Edition Blu-ray might be the way to go.
If you hop on Amazon's pre-order, you'll be able to save yourself a few bucks all around though, as right now, the Blu-ray Combo Pack will cost you about $25, the DVD about $18, the Trilogy Blu-ray set just over $37 and the Limited Edition Blu-ray with Batman cowl a shade under $36.
-Billy Donnelly
"The Infamous Billy The Kidd"
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Oct. 1, 2012, 4:28 p.m. CST
Good, so I'll finally get to see it.
by Smerdyakov
With bat-room breaks.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:31 p.m. CST
What an abortion.
by Shia_LaBeoufs_Mutant_Hand
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:33 p.m. CST
Can't wait to get my hands on this big pile of steaming shit
by Jack Black
one of the best comedies of 2012. I still can't believe how the overrated Nolan fucked this up royally.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
Cant wait....
by horvak
It was a good movie, could have been so much more but had some welcome nods.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:35 p.m. CST
Unfortunately i have to buy this special edition bluray because i have already
by Jack Black
bought the SE BRs of the previous movies. Lesson to learn kids: wait for the completion of a trilogy and then decide if you need the full trilogy in bluray or not.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:37 p.m. CST
the trilogys box art is ugly as sin.....
by john
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST
I wondered when the Nolan backlash would begin- looks like it is in full swing. I guess one can only make enjoyable successful movies for so long before the "too cool for school" nerd-rage unleashes.
by Emperor_was_a_jerk
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:38 p.m. CST
In the 3-pack, are the first 2 movies the same discs already available?
by IAmLegolas
Inquiring minds want to know, as, depending who you ask, they might need another once-over.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:40 p.m. CST
The UK is getting better packaging art for the Trilogy
by IAmLegolas
http://tinyurl.com/94kvo3a ... but then who really cares? It's the movie that really counts, no?
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:41 p.m. CST
Dark Knight was fucking great. End of.
by Shaun D Lyons
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:43 p.m. CST
Profound disappointment!!!
by Mr. Pricklepants
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST
Bring on the reboot!!!!
by Jobacca
'Nuff said.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:44 p.m. CST
I honestly don't care if I ever see this again. so uninspired
by MST3KPIMP
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:47 p.m. CST
by SaluteYourShorts
in the bonus features, does Nolan explain why he decided to make Bruce Wayne have been Batman for ONLY ONE FREAKING YEAR?!?!??! The logic behind this is astonishing. Wayne was BATMAN for about a year or so, if that. Then he quit for EIGHT YEARS, returns for ONE NIGHT, then gets beaten. It doesn't make any sense. Batman was barely Batman. And Harry's review said it best, that Bruce would never give up being Batman because he lost his chick. It would only make him want to fight the criminal element harder. And don't give me that there is no more crime. Batman takes down petty criminals, rapists, anyone, not just mad men. ugh... HE WAS ONLY BATMAN FOR A YEAR?!??! PEOPLE!
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST
You keep using the word 'cowl'
by Crooooooow
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:48 p.m. CST
SYS, Bruce didn't give up being Batman because he lost his chick.....
by john
Watch The Dark Knight again......
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:50 p.m. CST
Loved it
by ghoulstock
Loved the movie, but man those are some shitty DVD/Blu Ray covers. Whatever, I'll buy it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:52 p.m. CST
I respect Nolan quite a bit
by seanny_d
But his showmanship and ability to distract you with super-seriousness tends to overshadow a lot of his faults. I truly think that he needs to have another writer come in and break down all his scripts to make a lot of the exposition more natural (since he does everything short of having an *EXPOSITION TIME* sign show up when characters start talking about plot). Not only that, but he explains certain things in such detail that you can overlook the things that don't make ANY sense. It's honestly quite a feat. And he's definitely one of the best directors around right now just in terms of sheer scope and attention to technical craftsmanship such as shown through all his IMAX footage. <p>The problem is that his movies are very fallible on a plot and character level once you start analyzing them. So I don't think it's a backlash per se, I think it's just recognizing a lot of the faults that were easy to overlook in the past. (I'll still watch anything the dude makes though.)
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:56 p.m. CST
I hate being stuck in DVD-land.
by Kammich
I know this probably the wrong website to be complaining about only having a DVD player(I'm sure there are many people who will just say, "upgrade to a Bluray player, loser"). But honestly, I buy maybe 3 or 4 movies a year. I don't have a big HD TV. It doesn't make monetary sense for me to invest in a Bluray player that I'll probably use once a month, if that. ...which is why I hate that DVDs have been relegated to "disc only" ventures. Why can't us poor folk get fancy special features, too?! I'd be buying the whole trilogy if the standard def was getting even half of those nifty special features.
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:57 p.m. CST
Yeah, come on, lets start over and make more hundred millions.
by Smerdyakov
Thanks for the three and goodbye, Chris!
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST
right on, SYS
by cokefrog22
Oct. 1, 2012, 4:58 p.m. CST
Nolan peaked with The Prestige
by MustGoFaster
That movie is as close to perfection as you can get. His last three (yes, including Tdk) were bloated messes with a few standout moments.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:02 p.m. CST
No Bruce gave up because that's how you make *drama*
by Jack Black
thank god Nolan left the franchise. Thanks a lot for resurrecting Batman from its cinematic oblivion and contributing to the evolution of the comic-book movie genre but good riddance and never come back.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:04 p.m. CST
re: "Ultimate Collector's Edition Trilogy that Warner Bros. made passing mention of, but who knows how much that is going to run you.."
by jim
My first question would be: "What does it have the others don't?" (other than the word "Ultimate" on the packaging). Then I would look at the price and consider whether or not to get it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:06 p.m. CST
Yes Bruce was Batman for one fucking year. But that's not the funny thing.
by Jack Black
The funny thing is that despite this frustrating fact, the so called fans still consider the Nolanverse Batman as the best and most faithful adaptation of the comic book character. the mind boggles.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:08 p.m. CST
mustgofaster I agree
by Jack Black
i ll say it again. TDK was saved by Ledger's great performance and tragic death. TDKR is TDK x 2 minus Ledger.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:10 p.m. CST
So I can't get this movie on Blu-Ray without also getting it on DVD, then?
by Son of a Butch
Damn it, Hollywood, stop doing that! I don't want the DVD and I don't want your shitty "digital copy"/ultraviolet/whateverthehell extra trash you throw in there that adds nothing of value to most people but jacks up the price. Just give me the fucking Blu-Ray!
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:12 p.m. CST
ANOTHER shitty DVD release...
by Mikey Wood
...where's the 2-disk special edition for those of us without blu-ray. God DAMN it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST
Right on, Kammich...
by Mikey Wood
Solidarity, man. If people started converting Blu-Ray extras to DVD format, they could make a killing in the bootleg biz.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:18 p.m. CST
No deleted scenes listed in the extras: betcha that means an extended TDKR cut for the *Ultimate Collector's Edition Trilogy*.
by justmyluck
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:19 p.m. CST
You fuckers better THANK NOLAN for what he's done, Batman has regained the respect he DESERVES.
by Chris
Now you'll get your comic book faithful page-for-page adaptions. If it wasn't for Nolan, WB would have made Alfred a car mechanic and Bruce fighting in a hockey mask in the original script before bringing Nolan on.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:22 p.m. CST
Whatever they end up doing with BATMAN next...
by Mikey Wood
...people will bitch about that, too. That's what the internet has devolved into. A non-stop festival of bitching.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:23 p.m. CST
you nerds are so predictable...
by dagwood
I can predict what you write before you write it. Dark Knight rises a failure? Hah. While not as good as the Dark Knight, it was 80% better than anything out there. Time will be on my side. And against you, you people who live in your parent's basements and never have sex with anyone other than your own hand.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:24 p.m. CST
Thanks Nolan.
by Scott Sullivan
One outta three ain't bad.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST
Do any of you guys like anything?
by john godwin
I'm starting to think you guys get paid to hate stuff just so you can bitch!!!
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:26 p.m. CST
enjoyed the movie faults and all
by james
looking forward to this release
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:27 p.m. CST
I don't care if they're faithful to the comics. They're just damn good movies. That said, I am still looking forward to the reboot ASAP.
by Cade
I've got friends who still won't watch X-men First Class because its not canon. Ridiculous. It's a good movie. All you haters - it's your loss. Still wish Bane hadn't been a guard dog, but great movie nonetheless.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:28 p.m. CST
yes we do like. we like good movies.
by Jack Black
TKDR ain't one though.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:29 p.m. CST
@mikeywood - Yup. And they'll still fork out their money for multiple viewings and blu-rays... Bitching all the while.
by Cade
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:33 p.m. CST
When are fans going to get their heads clear of the Nolan Batman fog and realize that this movie had MAJOR storytelling flaws and is actually a bad movie?
by The Krypton Kid
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:34 p.m. CST
The Cult of Nolan needs to end.
by The Krypton Kid
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:36 p.m. CST
The Cult of Nolan is still butt-hurt that their precious TDKR wasn't as great as it was meant to be.
by hank henshaw
I can't tell which movie had a more hyperbolic, bullshit pre-release hype, and which was a bigger letdown: Prometheus or Dark Knight Rises. Both movies had people claiming their were going to change the course of history, save mankind, cure cancer, or something. Prometheus will go down as yet another bad entry in the Alien movie franchise (better than the AvP movies though!). The Dark Knight Rises was beaten, both commercially and critically, by a movie with guys in colorful costumes and a CGI jolly green giant.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:37 p.m. CST
Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises is pseudo-intellectual garbages with silly dialogue written to set up ridiculous lines that are written to sound "profound."
by The Krypton Kid
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
Just tried so damn hard to be gritty ... Begins had the right balance, DK went serious to make the Joker viable ... sadly Nolan believed he needed to take things lower. He didn't.
by GINGE_MUPPET
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
In TDKR, Batman never threw a batarang, used his grappling gun, or (I think) glided over Gotham.
by heyoucantlaughatthat
He DID spend a significant amount of time on his motorcycle (which has two giant GUNS mounted on it) and in "the Bat", both cool but far less iconic than the rest of his arsenal, which was thrown out the window. He got the shit kicked out of him for 90% of the movie. I know this is supposed to be the realistic take, but Batman ALWAYS has a backup plan, and is always several steps ahead of his opponents. Story issues aside (and I felt there were several), I felt like they sort of betrayed the character in the ways mentioned above, and that's why I didn't like TDKR.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
"Because he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now." Give me a break. Everybody pause and listen to this hollow line that is forcefully written to sound poignant.
by The Krypton Kid
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:38 p.m. CST
Kidd, are you literally a kid?
by Mike J
Sorry, but it just seems all your writing seems to come from someone who is about 12 years old. If you ARE indeed in your early teens then kudos to you for your passion about movies. But if you are not just hitting puberty then, man alive, learn to write will you? And how the hell did you get this gig in the first place (I assume you live in Austin? That is usually the sole criteria Knowles applies to hiring staff these days). Credit where it is due though, you don't seem to have silly little hissy fits like Masawyrm or Nerdling so there is at least hope for you yet.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:39 p.m. CST
M'eh, was highly disappointed with Rises
by Johnno
Won't be buying it ever. Got the first two movies on Blu. Good enough I guess. I might have been curious if there was an extended director's cut, but honestly I'm that highly disappointed by it. I don't even consider it rewatchable enough to get it just to complete the trilogy set.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:40 p.m. CST
disliked the movie
by taff
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:43 p.m. CST
Henshaw, the Cult of Nolan were also livid that Avengers was a freaking fantastic fun film and ended up winning the summer.
by The Krypton Kid
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:44 p.m. CST
Correction, the Cult of Nolan WAS also livid that The Avengers was fantastic and won the summer.
by The Krypton Kid
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:47 p.m. CST
Whiners with poor taste and ridiculous standards will carry on. Try letting go for a change before seeing a film...
by Squinty CGI Flynn
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:48 p.m. CST
DVD release
by Logan_1973
I think it's fair to say the standard DVD format is on the way out. Studios know this which is why they don't pack the SD releases with extras. They've got to be as eager as anyone to see the format go extinct.
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:51 p.m. CST
kammich, upgrade to a Bluray player, loser
by 3D-Man
KIDDING, dude! I'm in the EXACT same DVD boat as you, but I actually don't give a crap. I grew up with VHS, so DVD is still awesome to me!
Oct. 1, 2012, 5:54 p.m. CST
We need a bonus feature with all takes of Cotillard final scene!
by Gorgomel
Oct. 1, 2012, 6 p.m. CST
Wait, the same Chris Nolan that made Inception, made DKRises?
by Lone Fox
Fucking Christ, I'm embarrassed FOR him. Dark Knight was good until the last half hour or so. Then it went to shit. Begins was dull. Rises... just a stupid, bloated mess. Cartoony shit, utterly uninspired.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:07 p.m. CST
criterion following dec.11...great bonus features...for those of us that are nolan fans
by ponyboy
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:11 p.m. CST
"UltraViolet"= BULLSHIT
by Playkins
Has ANYONE managed to get it to actually work? I ended up writing to WB to bitch about Green Lantern and... some other movie (can't remember which) and they sent me codes to download an iTunes version. I won't even buy a "combo pack" anymore that has a UltraViolet version instead of iTunes.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST
hey so..
by 8footTallGopher
How come I can't enjoy Dark Night Rises as a good movie. Why do you shits need to break it down and point out plot holes deem it utter shit. And then why do you have to compare it against Avengers. As if its only possible to like one or the other. The Nolan Movies were great. good entertainment. great arching story. A version of the Batman mythos that is different than anything we've quite seen yet. Nothing to not like there. Stop being so caught up in these things that your lives will somehow matter because you can prove you're right that these are terrible movies. I have news for you: EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT WORKED ON THESE FILMS KNOWS MORE THAN YOU DO ON WHAT MAKES A GOOD FILM. sitting in your parents basement bitching about shit doesn't make you an expert. Go outside. breathe some air. and fucking relax already. try and enjoy life. end the nerdy hate.... you'll thank me!
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:12 p.m. CST
One glaring character mistake made in this film that fans missed...
by Sean1701
Batman kills. When he takes out Talia's truck, he shoots the crap out of it, thereby taking out the driver and sending Talia to her doom. It blew my mind that no one caught on to that.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:13 p.m. CST
Hasn't Nolan said that his movies will never have
by Jack Black
a director's cut because he always plans what he wants to shoot in every detail and as a result he never gets more than the scenes which he only needs?
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST
Wow - An extraordinary product that I will never buy.
by Mephisto the Great
...because the film is train wreck. But more power to those who like to bury bad writing in tons of special features.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST
People who bitch about others liking this movie can't like Star Wars or Burtons Batman or ANY flawed movie....
by john
I loved Rises but acknowledge its flaws and plotholes. For people to say shit like, "when will you people realize...." then they themselves must not like flawed movies. Ya know, movies like Star Wars or Prometheus or Sleepy Hollow or Terminator 2. It's possible to like a movie and realize it's flawed or has holes in its plotting you whiny fucking nerds.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:14 p.m. CST
heyoucantlaughatthat: couldn't agree more.
by Playkins
Nolan-Bat was a good series of movies (the first still the best IMHO), but it absolutely MURDERS the character of Batman. Slaughters. And the suckers eat it up. The recent Batman movies WB animation has put out are FAR better in every way.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:15 p.m. CST
oh, & i think criterion released finchers The Game last week...sayin
by ponyboy
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
seriously do fuckos enjoy anything? when is your Batman film coming out? oh thats right, never.
by 77AD
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
I find it sad that The Avengers fans must come on here and rip Nolan to convince themselves that The Avengers was flawless even though there are holes a plenty in that movie as well.
by notcher
BOTH movies were fun, this Harry Knowles "Nolan didn't make MY Batman movie so I don't like it, waaaaaaaah" is fucking retarded. I loved TDKR and I in no way sit around thinking "Avengers was better and I am sad." They were both good, and different. But only a dumbass troll would come on here and rip on Nolan's Batman and then praise The Avengers for its perfection. My only complaint about the Blue Ray is the Ultraviolet copy, FUCK THAT!!!
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:20 p.m. CST
Bottom line...
by Sean1701
Bruce Wayne / Batman should be the smartest guy in the room. His reliance on Alfred (especially in the case of Bane) made Bruce seem weak in mind as well as body. It's hard for fans too see such a depature from the character they grew up with. And while I am at it, is it me, or did Nolan make a good attempt at making Gotham a real city in Batman Begins, only to say "fuck it" bythe time he made TDKR? I think a good Gotham (the next time) should be Albany, NY. Just do what Peter Jackson did with New Zealand/Middle Earth: use a real setting, but just nudge it a bit to make it different. Nolan did it in Batman Begins, but started to give up when he made The Dark Knight.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:22 p.m. CST
sorry that's you fuckos
by 77AD
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:23 p.m. CST
Scorsese is a hack too because "The Departed" has the biggest, dumbest plot hole in history.
by notcher
Do I believe that statement? No (Except the plot hole). But fanboys see what they wanna see and that's it. Nolan is awesome, fuck anyone who disagrees. I DON'T CARE.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:28 p.m. CST
The 3rd movie/story always gets blasted when it's part of a great trilogy...
by Jay
It will never live up to what the previous entries did. The introduction to the world. The surprises. The "new" factor. etc. have all been played out. The only thing left that they can do is conclude the story as best as they see fit. Beyond that, the story will simply be repeating what it previously did. It's impossible to not go through the same motions. There's always exceptions of course, but in general the 3rd entry is always met with disappointment. Even in other art-forms it's the same thing. In the last year I've seen two video game franchise get blasted for their final entries. Mass Effect 3 and Uncharted 3. There's only so much "new" and "different" one can do without changing what makes it great in the first place. People watch/play a sequel wanting a continuation of past experience, yet they also expect something completely new. There comes a point where that's virtually impossible. Whether it's Batman 3, a videogame , or Return Of The Jedi, it's impossible to keep it as fresh as you previously could. All one can do is question what the movie was trying to do and if it succeeded. IMO, TDKR succeeded with only a few minor missteps. Certainly nothing to whine about, though. Like Jedi, it's goal was to wrap everything up in a giant edge-of-your-seat extravaganza that only movies can tell. If you're too snotty to appreciate that than too bad.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST
sean1701 Talia is not the only person that Batman kills in the Nolanverse
by Jack Black
In BB he refuses to save Ras and as a result he condemns him to his inevitable death. In TDK he kills Two-Face and the truck driver in the car chase. In TDKR he kills Talia. And people complain that the Burton Batman was a maniacal homicide killer?
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:30 p.m. CST
Batman Begins was the best of the 3
by shane peterson
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
good ending but Bats is supposed to know where traps are
by txtone04
He had video footage of Bane and his style. He would of been prepared for him.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:31 p.m. CST
You know what Hulk hates?
by hulkiest
When comic book and movie nerds can't defend a crap movie and then start saying to other nerds that they need to get out of their parents' basements and get laid. UM, yeah... You've just spent five minutes of your life on nerd site slavering and ranting about Batman movies. And if you are getting laid, you holier than thou phonies, you have to wonder about what other secrets you're keeping, like your dreams of washing your car with your shirtless ''best bro." Meanwhile, somebody up there hit the nail on the head about all of Nolan's Batman movies. Well-filmed, well intentioned piffle. Anyone defending the GAPING HOLES in Dark Knight Rises is clearly delusional. It was an okay movie, kinda entertaining. But no way, nohow can the movie be considered 'intelligent or (LOL) Oscar-worthy'
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:32 p.m. CST
by shane peterson
this trilogy stuff has to end. Not every storyline deserves or needs a trilogy to be successful. I think Nolan should have quit with TDK.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:34 p.m. CST
by Astronut
- - I will say that with Prometheus, despite its flaws and strangely absent characterizations (for most of the characters, anyway), I enjoyed it more, overall, than I did TDKR. I am a fanatic about TDK and I was losing my shit in anticipation of the final installment, but damn did it under-deliver. TDK had high drama, whirlwind cuts and dialog and characters who made you pay attention! TDKR on the other hand was largely bloated with a shit-ton of mundane dialog and stupid - I mean STUPID plot points like Batman only being a hero for about a year, total, his entire career! ONE YEAR?!!? ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?? Even the fight between Bane and Batman, the sewer battle, even THAT was choreographed poorly... with a few exceptions. The last 30 minutes I will say, were pretty tight and the plot moved and the stakes got high... but fuck most of the movie. I will buy PROMETHEUS on blu ray. I will NOT buy TDKR at all.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:39 p.m. CST
So your answer tazzman is...don't even try?
by Jay
That difference in attitude is why people like Nolan & the like are successful and the rest are not. Too worried about failure that you quit reaching for the goal. Ya, because that's how good movies get made...
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:40 p.m. CST
Awful special features
by SupermanIsMyGod
For such huge films as Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises, Nolan and his team or whoever puts these together are really shorting us on extras. I haven't picked it up in a bit, but as I recall the Inception Blu was light on them as well. I KNOW there are deleted scenes in Nolan's Bat-trilogy...nothing? No commentaries? Retrospective on Heath Ledger? And to those whining about the shoddy DVD release, just get a damn Blu ray player. You sound like VHS owners when DVD came out, time to put away your 8 track tapes
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:54 p.m. CST
TDKR is to AICN as Obama is to Yahoo News...
by Travis Denson
Just sayin'. Bash, bash, bash. That is all anyone can do on this site when it comes to this particular film. And at one point, I used to have a certain amount of respect for this site. Harry's "review" of TDKR was one of the most offensive and downright stagnant pieces of shit I've ever had the misfortune to read (and I've respected Harry for the decade I've been coming to this site). It seems as if very few of you fanboys truly misplace and mistake what truly makes a damn good film. TDK and BB had plotholes and problems as well. Big fucking deal. AVENGERS wasn't any better, with its plotholes and mistakes, maybe even worse. But I still liked AVENGERS. Are you people so bored that all you can do is nitpick insignificant details and wrongheadedly turn them significant because you're on one side or another (Marvel or DC)? Just got through watching it for a 4th time today in IMAX...the film keeps getting better and better with each viewing. As a lifelong Batman enthusiast (I'm not a Nolanite or apologist), I enjoyed TDKR as much as the rest of the Dark Knight trilogy. It's a epic film that will stand the test of time, and alongside the rest of the DK trilogy, proudly. And none of the haters going on OCD rants about how they hate/dislike/scorn this movie will every take that away. Your words are pointless. They fall on blind eyes, and in due time, will be rendered meaningless. Over and out. (BTW, stop reading so damn much into PROMETHEUS. It's a good movie, but seriously...)
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
I wonder if there will be a featurette that tells...
by antmanx68
... how Nolan started buying into his own hype thinking that HE is responsible for making Batman cool. Begins was a worthy re-introduction to the character, not perfect but fun and a great preview of things to come. Dark Knight was less fun but had some serious dramatic tension and a very well played, well conceived version of The Joker. And Dark Knight Rises had.... nothing. Batman was not dedicated, intelligent, or badass. Catwoman was not the least bit sexy or badass. Alfred was not ever-loyal. Talia was not exotic and mysterious. Bane was eh, ok in parts but completely neutered by his lame ass "twist" back story. Not to mention that they really didn't establish why he could kick Batman's ass, or why Batman could all of the sudden kick his ass at the end, but whatever. This movie seriously does not exist to me. It's a vague memory of a bad fan written script that I read once. It will never be watched again because there was NOTHING worth the time. You can list off all of the comic books that helped "inspire" Dark Knight Rises and really what you'd be listing are a bunch of Batman stories that the Nolans obviously don't fucking understand. Having Batman come out of retirement for one last hurrah only works if he's old as hell and has had a successful career as Batman. Plus Fran Miller's hard, ultra heightened style makes Dark Knight Returns cool. This movie had virtually no style whatsoever. Some really painful writing, horrible acting, retarded characters and enough random shit to make retards say how great it was and how haters "don't get it". The last shot of the movie should not have been celebrating Bruce's retirement, it should have been confirming (in case any of you fuckers were unsure) that Bruce will NOT STOP. If you had to argue that Batman has a super power, it's his iron will... Batman. Does. Not. Give. Up. I get Batman, people who sing the praises of this movie do not. 8 year hiatus after a year or <2 of being Batman? Lame. I don't hate it because "it's different than the comics" I hate it because it was just boring and really shat on the other 2 movies as well. This is a fucking Batman movie. If you wanted to call it "Whiny 30 something jerkoff who was almost kinda badass quit all of the sudden THEN comes out of retirement to get his ass kicked and not become nearly as badass as in the first movie RISES" then be my guest, but this heap is not worthy to be called "The Dark Knight" anything.
Oct. 1, 2012, 6:57 p.m. CST
I too, cannot get Ultraviolet to work. The interweb is failing.
by kindofabigdeal
I also can't sign in to create a Fox.com account on my iphone or work computer. I want to see the new Simpsons episode dammit.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
I honestly don't care if I ever see this again. And that sucks! Begins was the best, hands down.
by Mandolorian
Oct. 1, 2012, 7 p.m. CST
My post got cut off...
by antmanx68
... In closing. It sucked.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:13 p.m. CST
I want to thank all the haters for doing their bit
by James_Camera_On
To keep the thread open. I was worried you wouldn't show up. Good job. TDKR was a good movie, and despite some plot holes, one big one in particular, it delivered. Wait, am I talking about Looper or TDKR? Not sure anymore. Well, it doesn't matter. I just find it so odd that the amount of hate on these threads is constant. TDKR, Vertigo, whatever, haters hate them all. Nolan ain't perfect but he delivered and it worked for all those people eager to part with over $1Billion bucks. So the market has voted and that's that. Now let's move on to next year, when y'all can get together and hate the shit out of The Man of Steel. Yeah! See you then.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:16 p.m. CST
The summer of movies.. you'll never be happy
by Maxer
I've seen Avengers, Prometheus and Dark Knight Rises a few times each. Avengers - I thought was awesome the first time. Every time I've seen it since, it's gone downhill for me. The Black Widow and Arrow Shooter story/relationship, along with their characters and performances, - just weak junk. The relationships and story are just too simplistic and predictable to give it legs, while Iron Man and Hulk, and a really good turn by Loki, were the reasons that it was so exciting and fresh on the first viewing. Prometheus - positive when I first saw it, and positive afterwards, but no kind of amazing high or disastrous low. I don't think a sequel will work, but it was an interesting one-off with great visuals and performances. Just not even close to what people want to think it is with regards to depth or mythos, and the eel/acid scene, along with the relationship progression of those 2 guys who got killed there, was inexcusable. Dark Knight Rises - I wasn't blown away the first time (expectations too high, shitty seat at the Imax, both?). After that, it's just gotten better. Such a huge story, and there were points where you could tell there wasn't enough time to fill it out like it needed - there should've been more time to experience the anarchy, what it was like to live in that time, day-to-day. Where are they getting food and heat, etc? Regardless, I still think it's the best movie of the summer - the most grown-up, the most thought-out, the most human, the most entertaining. And the pit jump, even though we knew it would happen, was still a heartstopper. So, after a summer of 3 pretty amazing movies (and why does everyone forget Spiderman?), you.. people.. want to compare, need to pick a 'best' and bitch about the rest. I mean, wow, that was a great summer, yet you're still not happy. I just don't understand it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
Time for the Schumaker reboot.
by Antz
Nolan obviously had no idea, we need to go back to the Batman and Robin formula. It made solid money. There's a faithful comic adaptation for you.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:19 p.m. CST
45 hours of restored deleted scenes.
by Metroid_Fetish
Watch Batman sleep. Watch Batman train. Watch Batman look for the TV remote in the batcave. Watch Batman beat Alfred with a lead pipe. Watch Batman hide the body. Watch Batman hire a new butler and force him to go by the name Alfred. Watch Batman remember have flashbacks of all of the times he had to replace Alfreds when he violently kills them out of left field. Watch Batman watch Batman Returns and ask why he's in the shitty Dark Knight Rises instead of a good Batman movie. Watch Batman hang himself.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:21 p.m. CST
TDKR will go down in history. As one of the great disappointments of all time.
by Raptor Jesus
Right up there with 'The Phantom Menace' and 'The Matrix: Reloaded', and 'Prometheus'. People scratching their heads saying, 'how could it be THIS BAD when the earlier stuff was so good?' How could things go so very wrong?
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST
People don't hate this movie because it's COOL to hate this movie, or hate on Nolan...
by Chris
They hate on this movie because it's nonsensical and badly edited. Despite the errors of night becoming day, day becoming night, in certain scenes, the whole thing makes absolutely no sense. There's a whole host of terrible choices they made in this story... Gordon sends every cop in Gotham into the sewers, totally oblivious to the fact that sending EVERY cop into the sewers at once is probably not a good idea. Gordon seemingly carries this confession in his pocket at all times? Which conveniently Bane finds when he beats up Gordon? Batman suddenly reappears in Gotham after having his spinal cord pushed back into his body with a kick to his back. I mean, here the man is, in a pit somewhere, his spine sticking out of his back, and some guy just kicks him and everything is OK? Then, Batman tries climbing up the pit wall, only to fall on multiple occasions, yet his spine is fixed each time with another kick to the back. I mean, if healing spinal injures were this easy, what's exactly the big deal? Oh, that's right, he's Batman and we should just accept it. What a great excuse to be a lazy writer. If Bane can't survive without his mask, how did he survive in the pit with a cloth wrapped around his head? Was referring to Joseph Gordon-Levitts characters real name, ROBIN, actually necessary? Why is it that Nolan can't kill off a villain in an iconic way? First movie, Ra's al Ghul dies in a train wreck. Kinda cool, but then the second movie The Joker doesn't die, and apparently Two-Face dies from a one story fall, breaking his neck. Third movie? Bane, the ultimate bad ass, dies not in an epic battle with Batman, but by Catwoman pulling up and shooting him in the chest, followed by a snappy one liner. Then there's Talia Ghul, who dies in a car wreck by another broken neck. Batman is gone for like, five months, and then reappears in Gotham, goes to where he left The Batjet, and this entire time it's been on a roof top covered in a desert camo tarp. REALLY? No-one noticed that? Batman's gone for eight years, his knee is all messed up, and magically it heals its self by putting on a brace. REALLY? All this time and all he had to do was put on a knee brace and it'd be OK? If you follow the films timeline, Batman isn't some iconic legend. He's some dude running around in costume for a YEAR. Just a YEAR. How the fuck does the guy manage to become a legendary symbol in the span of a year? He didn't even DO anything. Doesn't anyone notice that Bruce Wayne goes into hiding, Batman disappears, Batman dies, Bruce Wayne dies? WTF was up with Gordon's buddy that just dies off screen? All this to do about the guy helping Gordon, and bam, he just falls down dead? If Lucius Fox knows that this generator thing can go nuclear, why doesn't he just flood the chamber right then and there and save everyone? Also, how exactly is it that they can figure this thing explodes exactly in five months? II also love how Batman takes the time, with his nuclear weapon about to go off and an evil super villain running around, to make a perfect fire Batman symbol on a bridge. Not only is he a super hero billionaire, but he's also an arsonist. I'm not saying every moment was crap. Honestly, if this movie were shorter, or longer, it would've been a lot better. I'd like to see the fan edits of this. There are a lot of subplots that can be removed, things that added absolutely nothing to the story. Additionally, those subplots could be expanded upon and actually explained properly making this a complete film. Ultimately, this isn't the worst movie ever. Christopher Nolan isn't the worst director ever. It's just a disappointing mess when you consider how much time they had to work on this thing. It's like at some point they just stopped caring about the story actually being coherent and making sense, because people just give Nolan the benefit of the doubt. Wayne just APPEARS in Gotham, oh well, it's Christopher Nolan so lets put how he got there off screen for the MYSTERY of it all.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:25 p.m. CST
I didn't care enough about DKR to buy this...
by bubcus
The Dark Knight is one of the greatest films I have ever seen. Batman Begins was solid and great. But Dark Knight Rises didn't engage me at all. I left the theater thinking 'I got all worked up for that??' I feel like this year was a disappointment for films. I liked Prometheus but not enough to have me rushing out to buy the Blu-Ray. It has felt like a year of... well... underwhelming performance and payoff in theaters. I honestly had more fun watching BATTLESHIP. Yeah, I went there. At least Avengers was a pinnacle for the year.... And I hear Looper is good....
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:26 p.m. CST
It's a sockpuppet frenzy. Someone call Orkin!
by justmyluck
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:29 p.m. CST
by Chris
What plot hole are you referring to in The Departed?
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:30 p.m. CST
Any chance there will be better movie in that package
by PrimalScream78
Just Wishing
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:31 p.m. CST
by Chris
Also, what plot holes do you refer to in The Avengers?
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:39 p.m. CST
by Chris
I also believe The Avengers was the pinnacle of the tent pole movies this year. It was fun, engaging, and entertaining. Definitely a high water mark for super hero films. It's pretty clear that Joss Whedon understood what fans want from a Marvel movie. As for Nolan, it's pretty clear Nolan understood what Nolan wanted for Nolan's Batman movie.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:40 p.m. CST
UltraViolet = BOYCOTT
by DoctorZoidberg
UV is the worst experience available! I would rather watch a bootleg iPhone video taken by a speed freak with Parkinson's.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:41 p.m. CST
If you don't own a BluRay player
by DoctorZoidberg
Just pony-up the $99 dollars and quit whining about DVD versions of things. Cheap-ass mofos!
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:44 p.m. CST
Hey, at least Nolan and Whedon cast black people. Unlike a certain fat New Zealand director who shall remain nameless.
by Cotton_Mcknight
Think about it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:46 p.m. CST
by notcher
The Departed: At the end when DiCaprio gets his hands on the wiretaps. Instead of going right to Baldwin and saying "Here's the wiretaps of your mole. I was Martin Sheen's under cover cop. Yes he's dead, but Wahlberg can verify that. Go arrest Damon now." Instead of doing that, he decides to arrest Damon all on his own for no reason but to make the story more dramatic, and in the process gets killed and blah blah blah. NO reason for him to do what he did. It was fucking stupid! I am amazed that more critics didn't call that out. But ultimately, does this mean the whole movie sucks or Scorsese is a hack? Of course not, but people on here are so fucking dumb that they nitpick to try and prove a point. Like the moron above who said "TDKR will go down as one of the greatest disappointments ever." Really? The movie which got an 87% on rotten tomatoes and made a billion dollars world wide? Yeah, I'm sure it will be remembered as a failed epic. People are stupid.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:53 p.m. CST
And once again, the DVD version has NOTHING extra
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
Yes, Blu-Ray players are very cheap these days, but what a cack-handed and transparent move by the studios to try and force people to upgrade. Blu-Rays are great, but in a few years even they won't exist. There will be no physical formats and everything will be downloads. At that point the studios will start shifting the extras off Blu-Rays and you will only get them as part of a download package.
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:54 p.m. CST
by notcher
The Avengers: LOVED this movie, but the whole idea behind Loki getting captured to unleash the Hulk and split up the team was forced beyond all reason, had Whedon followed through with that and had the Hulk destroy that ship and kill almost everyone when it crashed, then it would've made sense. Ultimately it was an excuse for a huge action scene. Loki accomplished nothing, and for those who will say "The point was that he brought together the Avengers." Yeah, but still, Loki's "Plan" was fucking dumb. Also, to be like one of the Nolan hating trolls, WHY THE FUCK IS LOKI SPEAKING ENGLISH TO ALL OF THOSE GERMANS? Fucking stupid (And Raimi Cheese with that old man)! Now, do I give a shit, no, it's a comic book movie. But had Nolan done that, he would've gotten ripped on for it. And, I didn't care for the Transformers ending with the bad guys who looked like leftover designs from Chronicles of Riddick. But again, minor issues. It was still great!
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST
@cotton, that director cast a black man in King Kong.
by notcher
Oh, but only to kill him. Damn, you're right!
Oct. 1, 2012, 7:56 p.m. CST
Christopher Nolan casts black people?
by Turd_Is_Floating_Underneath_The_Gravy
I thought he only knew how to write for caucasian upper-middle-class white collar males...much like himself.
Oct. 1, 2012, 8 p.m. CST
@Turd, do Asians count as black people?
by notcher
He has lots of them!
Oct. 1, 2012, 8:05 p.m. CST
by Sean1701
Thank you. God forbid people point out the flaws in this film. The truth is, there was a massive buildup for the finale and instead we got (IMO) a big letdown. I think we should all agree that this is ultimately Nolan's version of Batman, not the one we were expecting. It's not Beverly Hills Cop 3 bad, but it feels...empty...not the place I thought Bale's Batman would end up.
Oct. 1, 2012, 8:25 p.m. CST
I'd like to see it with about 20 minutes cut out
by FrodoFraggins
Oct. 1, 2012, 8:26 p.m. CST
I really can't imagine sitting through a second of this turd again
by Flip63Hole
Kind of surprised they're releasing it on video, but apparently people enjoyed it. Sad to think how far film has fallen.
Oct. 1, 2012, 8:38 p.m. CST
Talk-backers are killjoys.
by pr0g2west
I remember a time before the internet when people would just go to the movies...and have a good, entertaining night out. Maybe you would read a few reviews in the newspaper about the film, and they were either positive or negative, but well written and professional. And that didn't matter because YOU would see the film for yourself and either like it or not like it. This site ruins all of that, because you people analyze to no end. You take the piss out of every single movie, and you completely forget what it's like to have a good time at the movies. Movies, especially action/comic book adaptations, are supposed to be there for your entertainment. They aren't meant to be meticulously scrutinized, if you do that, then your missing the point completely. That's not to say every film shouldn't be handled with care and crafted intelligently. But when you fanboys complain about the little things, it's absurd. This generation of fanboys are the worst bunch of whiners in the world today. You take a film, such as TDKR. A film that took years of planning, who knows how much money and man hours went into creating it. The technology involved in bringing any movie to life, and you couldn't even begin to comprehend how film is even made...that they can take something from real life, and put it on a thin piece of celluloid, and be able to share it with everyone on earth. and you people reduce that into "well, I didn't like the way the lighting was in this scene, and the poster looks like crap, and whats with Anne Hathaway she's a loser." Blah, learn how to enjoy things for what they are, not what they aren't. You will live a shitty life if you can't do that.
Oct. 1, 2012, 8:52 p.m. CST
You knew it was a bad sign when Jonathan Nolan said his first draft was 400 pages long.
by Silv
No professional writer makes a script that long regardless of how much freedom he or she has.
Oct. 1, 2012, 8:56 p.m. CST
The one feature that will have me buying it ...
by jazzdownunder
... is Anne Hathaway mounting the bat-pod/bike thing and arching her back as she pushes her ... [ahem] ... anyway.. I swear Chris Nolan built the entire movie around that one moment.
Oct. 1, 2012, 8:57 p.m. CST
by Sprell
bantuwind, you wrote: "I've seen two video game franchise get blasted for their final entries. Mass Effect 3 and Uncharted 3." Here're the Metacritic scores for the Uncharted franchise: Uncharted 1: 88 Uncharted 2: 96 Uncharted 3: 92 I would hardly call a Metacritic score of 92 "blasted."
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:07 p.m. CST
@Silv, Where the fuck did you get your information?
by notcher
LOTS of scripts are much longer compared to where they end up. "Inglorious Basterds" was over 300 pages, Monahan's original script for "Kingdom of Heaven was almost 400" pages, Oliver Stone's first draft for "JFK" was more than 400 pages, along with "Nixon," and "Alexander." "Lawrence of Arabia" was the length of a Bible. Lots of screenwriters write more than necessary for a first draft and cut it down from there. That length doesn't predict anything when it comes to the quality of the final product, it's PLANNED as part of the writing process Wow, you couldn't be more fucking wrong!
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:08 p.m. CST
by Chris
I see what you mean, but I don't think those are plot holes, more like they're illogical storytelling choices to create dramatic tension. Sure, no-one would realistically make those choices, but this isn't reality, they're films. Sort've how a Bond villain will capture Bond, tell him his plan, only for Bond to escape and foil said plan. If the badguy just shot Bond in the head and went on his merry way, where is the tension? If Loki just killed everyone, where is the tension? If DiCaprio just went to Baldwin, where is the tension? I didn't really see any of that as PLOT holes. Plot holes are more like Batman appearing in Gotham with no rhyme, reason, or explanation, after it was made clear that this pit is on the other side of the world... The issues you cited are just movie cliches. Rises is just lazy, hollow, and empty.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:11 p.m. CST
Batman Forever is better than The Avengers
by IEatHippies
Fucking idiot
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:12 p.m. CST
What's the point of clicking on a story about the DVD of a movie you hate
by Mugato5150
and then going into the thread to bitch about it? Didn't you jackasses get all of that out of your system during the theatrical release?
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:14 p.m. CST
by googlemebitch
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:19 p.m. CST
@Evilsmokemonster, Really?
by notcher
You can't in anyway figure out how Bruce Wayne, aka Batman could get back to Gotham City and sneak inside the city? You can't figure that out, it's so unbelievable that a hack like Batman could do something like that? See what I mean, you pick and choose when to say something is bad. If you truly don't know how Wayne could get back into Gotham then either you are playing dumb to prove a point, or you are actually dumb. From your other posts, I feel like you are playing dumb. But man, lame. However, I have no problem with you not liking the movie, it's your right. But nitpicking bullshitters on this site piss me off.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:24 p.m. CST
by Chris
The thing is, these aren't LITTLE things. LITTLE things are what notcher was referencing in THE AVENGERS and THE DEPARTED. TDKR suffers from an abundance of asinine story telling choices. The fact that people consider it nitpicking to want a film to actually make sense and tell a coherent story should be evidence enough that Hollywood has done a great job of desensitizing people to quality. Even though it made for a bad ass fight, Batman, no matter how old he is, would never just walk into a fight. The reason the Bane/Batman showdown worked in the COMICS is because Bane released everyone from Blackgate and Arkham, so Batman was exhausted by having to hunt down every criminal. He didn't expect Bane to just show up at Wayne Manor and beat the fuck out of him. It doesn't work in the film because Batman has had EIGHT FUCKING YEARS to get back into shape, and instead he just sits in his Mansion, feeling sorry for himself. It's one thing for Batman to retire, he has done it several times in the comics, but he never retired to an isolated wing of Wayne Manor like a little bitch, allowing himself to turn into a caricature of Howard Hughes. Then, knowing full well he's a crumbling wreck of a man, he just marches straight into Bane's hideout with Catwoman, a person that Batman never has or ever will trust completely. Then shocker, she betrays him. WHO didn't see THAT coming? The entire audience figured it out before Batman could. Why does all this happen in the film? Because Nolan expects us to suspend are disbelief for him because he's Christopher Nolan. Oh, but he's trying to show us that Bane took Batman down from his high horse, right? The thing is, BATMAN wouldn't be on a high horse like that. It's completely out of his character... Just like Nolan is doing to Superman, trying to make him darker and conflicted. That isn't Superman. Superman is not conflicted, he's a Christ like character. Christ didn't want to die on the cross, he begged his father to change his mind, but even despite his begging, he was still willing to sacrifice himself because it's his purpose. Making Superman conflicted and unsure of his purpose is a bad idea. But we'll leave that for the talkback when MAN OF STEEL comes out next year. Still, despite all the flaws of Rises, I did enjoy the movie when I was watching it... Later, when I thought about it, not so much...Why? Because it's so incredibly easy to make fun of. A film is not great when you can easily make fun of pretty much everything in it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:28 p.m. CST
can't wait to be able to skip to the good scenes
by cgih8r
I'll watch the Bane intro then skip to Bane hijacking wall street then skip to the motorcycle chase then onto Bane defeating Batman then that whole cool scene where Wayne climbs out of the hole then Batman fighting Bane and when Bane is on the ground and Batman says the "...permission to die" line I'll turn it off. Movie Over.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:29 p.m. CST
by Chris
I'm not sure if your last statement directed at me was meant to be ironic or what, but thanks for proving my point about lazy story telling and the suspension of disbelief because it's Christopher Nolan. The thing is, Wayne has no more money. The film made that clear. Now, in the off screen antics, maybe Wayne has an offshore account with oodles of money to draw from, allowing for him to travel from Bane's secret pit back to Gotham through some secret tunnel or what not, but that's never explained in the film. Wayne just shows up because... it's a movie, and it's more dramatic. Of course, intelligent people who like stories that make sense are left scratching their heads wondering WTF just happened. Meanwhile, everyone else is like, "OMG BATMAN IS BACK, SHIT IS GOING DOWN! OMG, BANE IS GOING TO GET IT. BATMAN IS GOING TO KICK BANES AS--- Wait, did Catwoman just shoot him in the chest and ride off into the sunset? WTF?"
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:38 p.m. CST
@ notcher cont.
by Chris
And I'm not picking and choosing, btw. If you read my previous posts, I pretty much take issue with every stupid thing that happens in this movie. Like why the fuck does Batman give Robin that little bomb to throw at the tunnel entrance, then he hops into the Bat jet only to blow the wall away with some missiles? Just so we can have a scene where Batman is teaching this guy how to be Batman for when he hands the title over to him at the end of the movie? REALLY???? That's not forced, nonsensical, completely lazy story telling? It's so contrived and idiotic. Who fires live, explosive ammunition in the direction of someone they're going to make their successor? For that matter, in THE DARK KNIGHT, Batman is riding the Batmobile around, blowing up cars to make a lane for himself. Two little kids are watching this in a nearby car... Uh, HOW does Batman not know there aren't kids in the cars he's blowing up to make a path for himself? And since when does Batman not take into consideration property damage, collateral damage, et cetera? Furthermore, he rides through some underground mall in the Batpod, shooting out the glass to doors with people standing on the other side of those doors... Really? Again, lazy story telling from Christopher Nolan because he expects us to suspend our disbelief for him. And btw, this isn't nit picking. These are actual problems with these films. They're illogical choices in the narrative because they help set up a set piece, be it semi trucks flipping and exploding, or Batjets blowing shit up.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:43 p.m. CST
For me, there's only BB and TDK
by deathbird
I'm just going to let this unfathomably bloated, dour and graceless monstrosity recede from memory. Kinda like how I watch ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE without thinking about DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:51 p.m. CST
The Avengers 'plot holes'
by Chris
I don't consider Loki talking to people in Germany in English a plot hole, as most Germans speak excellent English. What is a plot hole is the fact that the element they're trying to get to stabilize the Cosmic Cube, while rare, is not protected under lock and key, and can easily be accessed through most museums. The guy that does the movie science pieces on this site actually talked about this in his 'The Science of The Avengers' article. Another plot hole is Gamma rays cannot be tracked with spectrometers on peoples rooftops. Also, the entire bit with The Hulk/Loki is part of the comic book storyline that The Avengers is adapted from. The entire idea behind Loki being captured and manipulating Banner to transform into The Hulk was part of Loki's plan to distract SHIELD and The Avengers long enough for the Cosmic Cube to be installed and activated on Stark Tower. If the helicarrier was destroyed and everyone died, AWESOME, but that wasn't why Loki got captured. That's not a plot hole, you just didn't pay attention. In fact, the characters in the film come to this revelation, albeit a little too late. Now, had the comic books that TDKR were based on been shit, I could totally understand and forgive the many plot holes in TDKR, but as the stories Nolan is raping are iconic Batman stories devoid of plot holes, I cannot forgive them.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:54 p.m. CST
Special editions, special special editions, extra free dvd's, busts, multi tech compatible discs, blah, blah fuck off
by Sean
Make it fair people. The same extra features available on both DVD and Blu Ray, without having to release a definitive spcial edition 6 mths or so later with all new extras not seen on the first release! I'm tired of having to make the decision to either get it now and hope that is it or wait awhile in case there is an 'Ultra edition' coming out down the track. Movie collecting can be an expensive hobby, especially if you want to get foreign releases. I bought a PS3 early this year partly so i could upgrade to Blu Ray...still haven't bought any titles yet or games either, though i have a list. I picked up The Rock Criterion Ed for a bargain a month ago, but because it is a R1 dvd and my Australian PS3 (R4) is region locked...i currently can't even play it. It took me years to find that Rock dvd. Almost as bad is that the R4 The Avengers Blu Ray and DVD does not contain the director's commentary (usually my main criteria for purchasing a film) that the R1 version does. BULLSHIT! So...i have to wait for a Spec Ed...God know when that may come out? I doubt people care about all this extra technology stuff. Watch it on your laptop, watch it on your phone, watch it on your fucking wristwatch! Viva la modern tech! No!!! And while the dvd's contained in busts and models and stuff are fun, well...if i want to buy an action figure or model, i will...but i don't want these overly costly, lumbering, albeit pretty items taking up valuable space in my cover by cover, alphebetically organised and proudly displayed film collection. It is just getting a bit out of hand to me.
Oct. 1, 2012, 9:59 p.m. CST
So there IS a difference between PLOT HOLES, and people not PAYING ATTENTION to the plot.
by Chris
Oct. 1, 2012, 10 p.m. CST
by Sean1701
I agree with you. The gaps in logic are what made this film uneven, much like in The Dark Knight after Batman saves Rachel from being thrown out of the window. What happened to the Joker & his crew? Did they just leave? I don't consider it fan boy whining, rather I think we as fans like a certain logic to our stories. Nolan is asking us to take a rather extreme leap of faith especially in this last film. Can they explain how *SPOILER* Bruce survived the blast at the end of TDKR??
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST
so, no director's cut?
by StarWarsRedux
no reason to buy it, then.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:06 p.m. CST
by Chris
No, but that's OK, because he's BATMAN, so we don't need to explain that, right? Sure, Bruce Wayne upgraded the autopilot software, apparently on ALL the Batjets, yet we never get an explanation as to how and when he jumped out and let the autopilot take over. Of course, if they showed that, it would ruin the twist, right? But there's the kicker, BATMAN isn't about stupid plot twists to fuck with the heads of the viewers. BATMAN is the detective, NOT the viewer. And is this nitpicking? No, it isn't. It's Nolan saying, "Eh, fuck 'em. It's Batman, he'd have escaped somehow..." LAZY.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:08 p.m. CST
by The_All_Dead
no real comment here, TDKR was MEH.!! LOL LOL
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST
THIS is what a PLOT HOLE looks like...
by Chris
We never actually see Wayne FIX the Batjet, let alone ALL the Batjets. When exactly did he do that? Was it in between the doctors visits, and getting the shit beat out of him by Bane, or maybe on his miraculous return to Gotham?
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:10 p.m. CST
by Sirius_crack
Do you really want to know how Wayne got back on the island? It is like the back story of the Joker. Why tell us, it adds to the mystery and the spectacular appeal that Nolan has cast. For those people who want to know every reason for everything that has happened are just bull shitting themselves. If you take that out then what magic is left in the film. That aroma, that mystery is gone. How intimidating would the Joker be if everyone knew his background, which is what made him the murdering psychopath that he is?
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:12 p.m. CST
by Chris
This is why TDKR is NOT a great movie, because it is so easily mocked. The only problem with The Avengers was Captain America's costume, and even that grows on you as the film progresses, because the entire idea is to desensitize you to how silly spandex and super hero costumes are. By the end of the film, you don't care that these people are in garish, colorful costumes, because it's so entertaining and enjoyable to watch. Oh, and Thor should've had his helmet when he suited up. He could've lost it after Loki stabbed him in the side, but when his costume begins to come together on his body, that helmet should've appeared on his head.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:15 p.m. CST
by notcher
I find it fascinating that your complaints with TDKR and TDK have to do with Batman blowing up glass. IS that really the problems you had? How about in the Transformers ending of The Avengers, the citizens are completely ignored except for one scene? We don't see any of them really getting hurt and with all that carnage, I'd think more of them would. Lazy storytelling? NO, it's a fucking comic book movie. And when it comes to Bruce Wayne's finances, you think all of his wealth was tied up in the stock? Wow, you are naive, Wayne definitely would have had other monetary sources to work with and considering Batman knows the ins and outs of the city, would Nolan showing Wayne sneaking into the city really have made a difference? Yes, your Batman blowing up cars and glass argument could be used for any action movie. I didn't like the kids either, but to crucify the entire movie because of that is lame, it's a movie, and it's that simple. The Loki plot is still lame, I don't give a fuck if it did come from a comic book. I picked up on that, but it still was dumb. More could've been done with that sequence. Plot holes or just stupidly executed sequences, who cares, flaws are flaws. Both movies were fun, but I stand by my statement that just like with politics, people defend what they like more and ignore similar things they bitch about with what they don't like. I at least can say I liked both films and don't feel like I need to come on here and rip on another film to try and prove something. And in regards to "The Departed," just saying it's more dramatic isn't an argument. It's like saying, "We couldn't come up with something that makes sense, but who cares, it's more dramatic." As for Batman handing JGL the bomb, has it occurred to you that maybe Batman underestimated the bomb's effectiveness? But again, who gives a fuck, it's a movie. You're still playing dumb.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST
Dark Knight Rises: a vasty inferior version of Dark Knight Returns
by Steve Lamarre
Bane=Mutant Leader, Catwoman=Carrie Kelly, etc etc. I'm so done with this movie.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:16 p.m. CST
The only problem Evil?
by Sirius_crack
You have been defending every plot hole by saying logic does not apply for dramatic effect. Now you are saying that the ONLY problem with The Avengers is a logical issue. Really? Pick a side.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST
by Chris
Good excuse for lazy story telling. Just like how in TDK all The Joker wants is to 'watch the world burn.' He doesn't need a REAL purpose, a real goal, a REAL backstory, et cetera, because this guy just wants to watch the world burn, right? We suspend are disbelief for this because Heath Ledger was incredible, as was Aaron Eckhart as Two-Face. You can't do that in TDKR because there isn't a breakthrough, mind blowing performance. Sure, Bane is awesome, but by the end of the film he's just a neutered henchman who dies like a bitch.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:17 p.m. CST
I'll stick with Burton's batman
by Pipple
I don't know how kids today look upon this new batman, and I'm not going to knock them for liking it, because as a kid I liked prettymuch everything I watched except for something outrageously stupid, so whatever really. But I don't give a shit about nolan's batman, especially after this crazy movie. It makes it harder to watch the first two because this one's so out of place and ridiculous. Kinda like X3 is to the first two x movies. I'll give it this though, it's the most fun of all the movies. I enjoyed bane even though he's a nothing character in the end, some of the gags, batman saying he now knows what vanishing ninja thing feels like. If this wasn't a batman movie I'd have no problem with it... same with superman returns. But yeah you shot yourself in the foot by basing it on pre-established material and then pissing on that same source and doing your own thing. Now I'm not like a lot of anal fanboys who cry about nipples and batman not being a body builder or whatever. That shit is gay faggoty childish whining... But robin's not John goddamn blake. Batman's not going to quit, he's batman. Worst of all, the most unforgivable crime to me of this whole series is that Batman's left in the sidelines. This series will not be remembered at all for being the one to finally get batman right after he's been done so wrong. It'll be remembered for delivering a great Joker performance and nothing more. Which we've seen before... Whatever they do with batman next, seriously needs to put batman FIRST.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:20 p.m. CST
I only saw Batman Begins and TDK just before seeing TDKR, so I'm no Nolan groupie... This film will be better remembered in 10 years than Avengers.
by Gary Makin
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:23 p.m. CST
The Prestige? Really?
by Mojo-Wan
So is The Prestige the new holy grail for uber-nerds? That well-made gimmicky M. Night Shyamalan type piece? So to prove you are the pinnacle of nerd-dom, you must subvert Nolan's much better films, and hold up that mediocre tripe? Oh well. Have at it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:28 p.m. CST
RE: Batman for only one year!!!
by MajorBludd
Seriously, who cares? Who gives a fuck if this version of Batman was only Batman for a year? It was a semi-realistic portrayal. It was Batman existing in a more plausible reality. Not "THE REAL WORLD" but a MORE PLAUSIBLE REALITY. Think of it as a fucking Elseworlds story you scum! Why is this so hard? Do you start blubbering when you read an Elseworlds story? "But Batman never existed in Victorian England!!! But Superman never landed in Russia!!" seriously grow up. If the comic adaptation is not exactly like the comics, well good! Because translated literally, comics are cheeseball and camp. I am a life long comic reader and fan, but I'm also a film fan. The Avengers and the Batman movies work because they combine the best of both mediums. The key is getting it close enough that the costume and world look relatively the same, and you take a good arc and ADAPT it for the film medium.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:29 p.m. CST
by Chris
Now I'm going to be insulting. You're a complete fucking moron. When, in a Batman comic or movie, has he just gone crazy, crashing through cars, blowing shit up, firing live ammo at people? In the original 1989 Batman, he fires guns from the Batjet at THE JOKER, and ONLY The Joker on an empty Gotham street. In TDK he blows up dozens of cars next to some children to get to The Joker, then fires the guns from the Batpod into a crowded mall hallway to bust some glass, when he could've just driven through it. What's wrong with you is you are the typical moving going moron who doesn't really care about quality or substance. You don't understand coherent story telling, how to build a narrative, et cetera. The 'Transformers ending' of The Avengers isn't ripped off from the Transformers. The exact same battle ensues in The Ultimates story arc and The Avengers issues that the film was based on. If anything, Transformers should be mocked for robbing Marvel of its ideas. Actually, here's a legit question, have you actually READ any of the comics that TDKR or The Avengers are based on? Because I get the feeling you haven't. You seem rather clueless, in fact. Every argument you make for what's wrong with me and my opinions, is in fact, an argument FOR what I and many others are saying is wrong with TDKR. You make a comment about the whole bomb thing I mentioned earlier. Uh, you're telling me that Batman doesn't know how powerful his fucking smoke bombs are? That's NOT nitpicking, that's an actual STUPID FUCKING PLOT HOLE. You want us to suspend our disbelief to the point where we just accept that Batman doesn't even know how powerful his own weapons are, just so we can have this absurd scene where he's teaching Joseph Gordon-Levitt how to be Batman, and then Batman gets to blow some shit up? These are nitpicking issues. These are huge fucking plot holes, huge caps in the storytelling. You've got Batman telling Catwoman no killing, respect the sanctity of life, et cetera, but it's OK to just blow up some shit if it's in the way of your target? Give me a fucking break.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:31 p.m. CST
by jazzdownunder
we also never see Bruce Wayne take a dump so the fact that he doesn't explode or otherwise show any ill effects from the massive build up of faecal matter in his system is a plot hole ? A plot hole isn't a gap in the narrative that can be - and is expected to be - filled in by the audience, it's when the story has characters do things or events happen that make no sense and/or contradict things already established. Like when a character starts walking around without a helmet on a planet where it has been established that to do so would result in asphyxiation. For example.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:32 p.m. CST
I'm no Nolan fanatic
by MajorBludd
And I'm not an apologist for the Nolan-Bats trilogy (pretty critical overall...except for BB), but some of these arguments are ridiculous.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:36 p.m. CST
How did Batman get back on the island?
by MajorBludd
That's a real good plot hole right there. How could a ninja who is also Batman get back on an island, one that is surrounded by mostly solid ice. Because he didn't learn to sword fight on Ice or anything.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
by notcher
Then by your logic, The Avengers are evil fucking people because they clearly don't care about the trees and the animals in the forest they must have fucking killed when having there pointless fight between Thor and Iron man! My God, they killed so many trees, and so many deer must have been killed, Batman though, FUCK HIM, he blew up some glass, even though he didn't kill any people doing so. Obviously he was watching where he was going! Seriously, YOU are a fucking moron! My point has been made, if all you can do is bitch about exploding glass and a small bomb not doing the job on that car pile batman thought it would, then Nolan fucking knocked it out! Seriously! If you don't like how Bane died, fuck you, that your opinion, I had no problem with it, but of course, you would've preferred the cliche showdown where Batman and Bane end up on top of a fucking building or something and Bane falls to his death. batman Returns had Batman killing people so fuck you! You clearly are the clueless fucking Whedon troll pretending to know what you're talking about. I fucking laugh at your stupidity. Flip flopping hack of a poster. And Sirius called you out bitch, you said logic can be sacrificed for drama, but then you ripped on TDKR because you felt it was illogical. Hence, you have more respect for Nolan than you do for Scorsese! Pay attention to your bullshit!
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
I think we need to agree on one thing...
by Sean1701
This is Nolan's Batman. A more truer interpretation will come down the road later. I enjoyed the trilogy, but, for me, TDKR was so tonally different from the first two that it felt like a different movie.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:38 p.m. CST
by Chris
Lol, what plot holes are you referring to? Again, the two plot holes in The Avengers listed by that one moron are not plot holes. A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission. Loki speaking English to Germans? Not a plot hole. Most Germans speak English quite well. Loki being captured, manipulating The Avengers and SHIELD? Not a plot hole, as the film established later that the entire purpose of this scenario was Loki attempting to distract The Avengers and SHIELD from the real goal, that being the Cosmic Cube being installed on the roof of Stark Tower. Bruce Wayne having money enough to get from Bane's secret pit? Plot hole, as it is established Wayne has NO MORE MONEY, Gotham is completely under siege and inaccessible. Wayne having his back broken, only for his spine to be fixed by a swift kick to the back? Plot hole, as the film has established this is REAL LIFE, as some of you TDKR supporters have cried out. Bane being able to survive without his mask? Plot hole. It's really not that complicated, which is why I don't believe any of you naysayers actually believe TDKR is a good film. It seems as though you're all just butt hurt that people are mocking it so easily, and clearly you want to love it so much, it's so important to you that you just ignore the reality of it all and substitute your own reality.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST
Majorbudd, thank you for having sense. Apparently Evilsmokemonster couldn't fill in that gap. Too complicated for him.
by notcher
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:40 p.m. CST
Batman SHOULD be able to sneak back to Gotham...
by antmanx68
Except they already established that THIS Batman can't climb out of a fucking hole in the ground even if you give him rope and team of helpers. This cocksucker cannot even pay his electric bill. He walks right into traps like he rolled a fucking 1. He gets tricked like a fucking newb by Catwoman and then trusts her implicitly because he thinks "she's good inside" and "I like the way her boobies KINDA show in her catsuit". At that point in the finale, Bruce is basically a hobo. Not pretending to be a hobo, just a hobo. You could say "He's Batman, of course he can pull all this shit off", except he is so stupid and helpless for the previous 5 hours of the movie.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:41 p.m. CST
by Chris
I think we can agree that people who understand FILM believe TDKR is shit, whereas people who just don't care can look the other way. That's what we can agree on.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST
OK is it just me or do other people also agree that they could have dropped Cat Woman and the whole bruce is poor thing and the Robin stuff and replace it with HOW HE GOT BACK TO FUCKING GOTHAM!!!?? cuz that seems like a WAAAAAAAY more interesting story..
by The_All_Dead
imagine bruce in a stripped down bat suit with no cape and only a rag as a mask.with stun guns and a tranq gun Metal Gearing his way back into Gotham stealth take down and viceral hand to hand takedowns.....sigh, could have been sweet.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:45 p.m. CST
by Chris
THANK YOU! Thank you for having enough sense to understand EXACTLY what I am saying. This notcher guy is a complete fucking idiot, along with his little apologist buddies. While The Avengers has had five movies to set up the Marvel Universe, so we buy and understand everything that happens in that film, TDKR takes what Wayne has learned and accomplished in the previous films and completely throws all of that out the window. Stupid people, again like this notcher and his little buddies, just don't seem to grasp or understand that. I especially love the whole, "Batman never shits in the movie, we never see it, so he must be ready to explode cuz he is full of shit," is an absurdly stupid argument, as Nolan makes it completely clear in TDKR that Batman couldn't wipe his own ass even if he did take a shit.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:46 p.m. CST
by Sean1701
I see your point. I studied film in college (not that it makes me legit) but when you study filmmaking, there a certain things you train your brain & eyes to look out for when watching a movie. The defense of Nolan and his story telling abilities are almost taking on Christ-like proportions.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:48 p.m. CST
by Chris
Nah, it's much more interesting to introduce useless characters that don't move the story forward. Stupid people like that kind've thing. And we all know there are more stupid people in the world than anything.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:51 p.m. CST
by Sean1701
I see your point. The defense of Nolan and his story telling abilty is (almost) taking on Christ-like proportions. To me, Bruce/Batman was out of his element. What happened to the Bruce that took out a shotgun toting crook in 3 moves in The Dark Knight? Didn't see THAT guy in this film...
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:52 p.m. CST
by Chris
The thing that is most disappointing about TDKR is that I didn't expect such shoddy story telling FROM Nolan. The film should've been unarguably awesome, but it wasn't. It's full of more plot holes than a fucking Michael Bay movie. MICHAEL. FUCKING. BAY. Come on, Christopher Nolan. Come...the fuck.. on. I also studied film in college, which in no way makes me legit, but that is also why I recognize, despite some entertaining moments, all in all TDKR is a lazy film, and a perfect example of what happens when a director has total control. Much like George Lucas and the Star Wars films.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:54 p.m. CST
by Sirius_crack
What plot hole are you referring to about the mask? I recall nothing about it except for the scene where it is damaged and Bane is pretty much dying on the floor. Now that you are shoveling your way out of your bullshit filled hole you realize that you have nothing. You keep bringing up the same fucking points over and over again because there is nothing left for you to bitch about. Grow some balls.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:55 p.m. CST
Sean, Antman and Evilsmoker, are you guys enjoying your dick sucking fest?
by notcher
"People who understand film." Yeah, because you like The Avengers makes you understand film? And from the guy who just said "Yeah, there may be a huge hole in the Departed, but who cares cuz it's more dramatic." Wow, I am utterly fucking blown away by such filmmaking knowledge!!! Who cares if it makes sense or not, as long as it's dramatic! Maybe they should remake Citizen Kane and have him murdered in a big action scene instead of just a boring ass undramatic heart attack! Hey, I don't see my "little buddies" sucking each other off the way your love fest is clearly going. I'll leave you guys alone, you clearly need it. Enjoy your understanding film conversation which is clearly certified by your knowledge of Loki and cube. Fucking tools.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
by Sean1701
No need to be so harsh..we're all friends here. We are all entitled to our opinions here.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
Meanwhile you have tools who don't care about quality or substance
by Chris
Who mock you for pointing out all of these hugely stupid inconsistencies. Then, as if it makes up for it, they try so desperately to mock The Avengers BECAUSE it IS the better of the two films. The harder and louder they argue that The Avengers is full of plot holes, or whatever, the more obvious it is that The Avengers is indeed the better film. I mean really, Loki speaking to Germans in English is a plot hole? Have you EVER fucking met someone from Germany? I deal with them almost on a regular basis and they all speak English better than most Americans.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:56 p.m. CST
by The_All_Dead
well,the fact that Hotel transwhatever seems to be beating Looper at the box office is all the proof of that i need.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:57 p.m. CST
Honestly, I don't get it.
by Chris
I'm not Joss Whedon. You don't offend me if you mock The Avengers. If anything, it just makes me laugh that you're too stupid to understand the plot to The Avengers but you think the plot to the TDKR isn't lazy or illogical.
Oct. 1, 2012, 10:58 p.m. CST
Whoever is arguing about Batman
by MajorBludd
being reckless, because he "blew up some cars with kids nearby" is a coward. And he wants a pussy Batman! A Batman who walks on eggshells (but who can't possibly walk on ice). Batman tippy twinkle towing around so that he doesn't knock over grannies trashcans, or scare the raccoons in the dumpster. Serious, you only deserve the Adam West Batman.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11 p.m. CST
@Evil, I work at an airport, a lot of Germans don't understand english.
by notcher
And if you had half a brain, when I made that point it was to say WHO GIVES A FUCK? Had Nolan done it you would call it lazy filmmaking. And I said both Avengers and TDKR were great! Only fucking trolls like you have to say that retarded monkey fucking line of "Which one is better?" I'm done with this, you're a troll! Fuck off!
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
@ Evil I seem to remember.....
by Sirius_crack
Us saying we liked the avengers. That the only issues were minor. Then you started talking and I realized I would rather be sitting in a Quantum Physics lecture rather reading your bullshit.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Batman is a criminal profiler and detective. Probably has the equivalent of a masters in psychology. So I assume as a viewer that he may be able to "read" Catwoman. Basically he figured her out. He also researched her history and record on DA COMPUTAH don't forget.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:03 p.m. CST
@sirius and notch
by Chris
Sirius, clearly you're another oblivious moron. Bane has his mask torn off at the end of TDKR, he's on the floor dying until Talia puts the mask back together, as you yourself have admitted... yet when we see Bane in the pit, he has no mask. He has bandages wrapped around his face. How exactly does THAT keep him alive? If he's going to die without the mask, why didn't he die then? Oh, yeah, that's right... I'm 'shoveling my way out of a bullshit filled hole.' Give me a break. You and notch BOTH make the mistake of consistently proving the point that many of us are making about TDKR. Every time you argue WHY it isn't a shitfest, you use some example that further proves the film is shit. Also, the way in which you two get so angry and riled up over this makes it pretty clear TDKR is a shit film. Look at you guys, making the homosexual insults and what not. Seriously, it's just a movie, guys. Neither of you worked on TDKR, right? So why take such offense to people mocking how utterly and completely terrible a film it is? So defensive, so butt hurt... You two need to try a little harder. I mean, here we are, having an intelligent discussion as to WHY that movie sucked, and all you guys can do is be like, "Yeah, well, you're a fag and you suck cock, HAHA!" Get over it.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:07 p.m. CST
by MajorBludd
If you are going to criticize ANYTHING about this movie, why aren't you talking about the cringe worthy and severely laughable plot hole that is the Gotham PD living in the sewers for 3 months!?!? That shit was actually uncomfortable to watch. If you want to discuss lack-of- suspension of disbelief, then talk about that. That's the greatest flaw with TDKR. The fact that you didn't mention it, shows that you are either trolling or have no film education.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:09 p.m. CST
I knew this dude who got cancer, however, he didn't die till years later. According to Evilsmokemonster, that can't happen.
by notcher
Bane's injuries could have gotten worse over time. Seriously, your dumbass arguments are getting worse man. YOU leave it be!
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:10 p.m. CST
AICN just lost all remaining credibility with this Talkback.
by Travis Denson
Figured I'd go ahead and call it. The good majority of this Talkback doesn't love movies, or even like them. You hate them. It gives you an excuse to wake up in the morning and complain about something. I swear, some of the mindlessness of you jackasses...and people stand around and wonder "why is Hollywood so shit these days?" Talkbackers, you officially lose all credibility. You are no longer filmfans anymore.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:12 p.m. CST
The last time we see younger Bane
by MajorBludd
Was when he gets swarmed in the pit after young Talia escapes. He wasn't wearing a mask then. So...ONE WOULD ASSUME that that final attack is what caused his disfiguring injuries that lead to him wearing said mask. If you watch a movie, pay attention.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:16 p.m. CST
Bottom line, TDKR 87% RT, The Avengers 92% RT, both made over a billion dollars. They are both Great movies! PERIOD!
by notcher
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:18 p.m. CST
So like
by MajorBludd
Bane nearly sacrificed himself to save Talia. He was so badly beaten he has to wear a mask now! All because he wanted her to escape. So they are like good buds who have a bond or something. Hence, they work together and he carries out her plan and all that. But .....somehow that doesn't make sense, or wasn't EXPLICITLY depicted in the film????
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:19 p.m. CST
@notcher & sirius
by Chris
Notcher, Actually, between YOU AND I, I wasn't the first to compare the two, you in fact were. Your post at Oct 01, 2012 6:20:50 PM CDT reads, "I find it sad that The Avengers fans must come on here and rip Nolan to convince themselves that The Avengers was flawless even though there are holes a plenty in that movie as well." Sure, you were responding to OTHER peoples comments, but I in fact never made that comparison until the above mentioned stupid remark from you. Now, just to be clear, lets take another look at that comment that I am drawing your attention to, "I find it sad that The Avengers fans must come on here and rip Nolan to convince themselves that The Avengers was flawless even though there are holes a plenty in that movie as well." After requesting you to explain what those plot holes were, in addition to the plot holes in THE DEPARTED, I began to tear apart your stupid remarks and explain exactly what a plot hole IS, as your understanding of the term was rather vague. Oh, and just to let you know I'm not forgetting you, Sirius, your understanding of the term 'plot hole' was also misinformed. Now, notcher, here we are a few hours later, you angry and raging, flinging the homophobic insults like the latent that you probably are, angry because there are several others on here agreeing with me, intelligently pointing out that yes, TDKR while entertaining in some scenes, was a lazy mess, meanwhile The Avengers was not. At the same time, you have idiots talking about Batman taking a shit and this sirius guy who clearly has a problem with reading comprehension, trying to argue on 'your side' of the argument. Ultimately, I am right and you are wrong. It would be like you arguing Batman and Robin is a fun, entertaining film, expecting that your opinion should be respected, despite the fact that that's the stupidest fucking thing anyone could say. And while TDKR is most assuredly not as bad as Batman and Robin, it's pretty fucking terrible as an all around movie. The thing is, INTELLIGENT opinions can be respected, but uninformed, illogical, moronic opinions? Those are not meant to be respected. Now here's the part where you rage some more, and your little buddies defend you with comments like, "Yeah, yeah... uh, and like, you're gay and your mother dresses you funny!"
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:25 p.m. CST
by Chris
Oh, so now to fill in the plot hole, we're making up shit? Bane's injuries must've gotten worse, so that's why he had to wear a mask? Wow. Just... wow. You people clearly don't expect much from movies these days, right? Pretty sad when your audience has to fill in the plot holes just to make sense of a film. Also, going by RT, The Avengers IS the better film. You realize that 92% is in fact higher than 87%, right? Me thinks you're a bit clueless.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
by notcher
No response to your argument about Bane's mask I see. You keep harping on my dick sucking comment. You still haven't responded to my point about you saying The Departed ignoring logic for drama is okay. Instead, you're just sitting here doing what every other poster does when they are out of arguments. You act like you're this mature guy on a comic book site, saying how intelligent you are and claiming victory as if it's so obvious. Of course you think you're right. However, 87% of film critics, and a lot of them know way more about what makes a good movie than you do, disagree with you. Calling my arguments stupid doesn't prove anything. And YOU were the first one to comment about The Avengers being better. I simply called out the ones who keep forcing that comparison. Ultimately, I'm going to sleep now, twas fun!
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
How about Warner Brothers...
by Gregory McNiff
just returns my $15 (IMAX) and we'll call it even. Not a file major, just someone who likes good films. IMHO, TDKR was a bloated mess. Who knows, maybe a la Bladerunner, we'll all be praising Nolan and his team 20 years from now for their innovation in introducing gritty realism into a cliched genre. I doubt it though. As for a reboot, I'd love to see Branagh's version. Not only has he successfully done the superhero film plus mainstream action but his Wallander on BBC provides a sense for how to portray Batman, the detective. The attraction for me in the Batman comics was how he outsmarts everyone, even Superman. The guy knows his competitive advantage and hones it tirelessly. I actually think Keaton was the closest we'll see in this lifetime to Batman the detective.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:28 p.m. CST
by Chris
Actually, the last time we see YOUNGER Bane is when the League of Shadows breaks into the pit and rescues him, after the revelation when Talia stabs Batman that the person to escape the pit as a child was in fact Talia, not Bane. Maybe YOU should pay attention during the movie, you fucking moron. And by the way, in THAT scene, Bane has bandages wrapped around his face. I like how you thought you were being clever there, though. Also, I'd like to thank you for further proving that you Nolan apologists are completely clueless.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:30 p.m. CST
by MajorBludd
You are one of the people who needs everything spelled out for you. You're the type who wants to ruin all the surprise or mystique. You probably hate Alien because the Alien is obscured in darkness. "I hate Alien because you can't see the Alien!! But AVP was good because you could see them clearly." Etc
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:31 p.m. CST
People arguing over movies being good/bad....
by shane
are dumb. Until you can make a better batman movie yourself...fuck off. OR Ignore the haters, go hug your children, take them to a movie. Don't argue with neckbeards that think it's cool to hate on crap. You're both douchebags. I'm going to go watch Dredd again now.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:34 p.m. CST
by Chris
But your arguments are illogical. As for Bane's mask, I'm pretty sure several of us have clearly explained why that is a plot hole. As for The Departed, it's not a PLOT HOLE that Dicaprios character wants to bring Damon in on his own to avenge Sheen's character. He wants to prove that he is a real cop, not a snitch informant, not a rat. Sure, it's probably not the smartest move, but THAT is his character and it ultimately gets him killed. That's the point. You, however, don't seem to understand storytelling. Again, your understanding of what IS and ISN'T a plot hole is misinformed. This is the part where I am going to be really insulting... You're a complete fucking idiot. With every comment you make to try to defend and prove your stance, you further prove that you're a complete dumb ass, oblivious to what is going on around you. In fact, it slightly frightens me that you work at an airport. I hope it's not in security, as your attention to detail is a little lax.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:35 p.m. CST
RE: evilsmokemonster BANE
by MajorBludd
You just proved my point!!! Dude, this is madness.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:36 p.m. CST
How am I wrong?
by MajorBludd
"And by the way, in THAT scene, Bane has bandages wrapped around his face." Exactly. Also since you just watched it, did you get a cam version? Some film student.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST
by Chris
Hey now, ALIEN is one of my favorite films BECAUSE you don't see the alien. Still, nice try. How about instead of nitpicking on what I MIGHT think, how about you pick on what I HAVE said? Oh, that's right, because whenever you do that you come off looking like a complete fucking idiot incapable of comprehending the most simple of sentences. There is a difference between being mysterious in a mystery, like in THE PRESTIGE, and being completely fucking lazy, like in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:39 p.m. CST
by MajorBludd
There is a difference between being mysterious in a mystery, like in THE PRESTIGE, and being completely fucking lazy, like in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:40 p.m. CST
by MajorBludd
"There is a difference between being mysterious in a mystery, like in THE PRESTIGE, and being completely fucking lazy, like in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES." Whats the difference?
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:41 p.m. CST
by Chris
Yes, because people having discussions on a TALKBACK THREAD, is just bad form. That's the cheapest way to get out of an argument, saying that it's immature or wrong to disagree and have a discussion. What is immature and dumb is to start calling people cock suckers because you can't come up with anything intelligent to say. DREDD was great, btw. The music was fucking AWESOME. Too bad it didn't make anything here in the states. I hope that its overseas take is enough to warrant a bigger sequel.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:47 p.m. CST
by Chris
Are you fucking stupid? Here is what you said initially, "The last time we see Younger Bane Was when he gets swarmed in the pit after young Talia escapes. He wasn't wearing a mask then. So...ONE WOULD ASSUME that that final attack is what caused his disfiguring injuries that lead to him wearing said mask." What did I say? Quoting myself, I said, "ACTUALLY, the last time we see YOUNGER Bane is when the League of Shadows breaks into the pit and rescues him, after the revelation when Talia stabs Batman that the person to escape the pit as a child was in fact Talia, not Bane. Maybe YOU should pay attention during the movie, you fucking moron. And by the way, in THAT scene, Bane has bandages wrapped around his face. I like how you thought you were being clever there, though. Also, I'd like to thank you for further proving that you Nolan apologists are completely clueless." How exactly did I agree with you, you fucking idiot? Are you that stupid that you don't remember what you type? Or are you too stupid to remember what the fuck happened in that movie? Those are two completely different scenes. The scene when Bane is swarmed we don't know it's Bane yet. Later we discover, after Talia stabs Batman, that the person in rags helping the child escape was in fact Bane. There's an entire monologue that Talia gives about the whole incident. Again, you further prove my point that the people that talk about how great this movie is are completely fucking stupid.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:51 p.m. CST
DREDD is the best comic book actioner of the year, too bad nobody bothered to go see it.
by NeonFrisbee
You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:52 p.m. CST
by Chris
Well, in THE PRESTIGE, they actually fill in the holes by the end of the film, whereas in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES, you have to fill in the holes yourself with stupid comments like, "Well maybe Bane was disfigured even more later so that's why he wears the mask," or, "Maybe Batman has a secret tunnel into Gotham and a Swiss bank account?" Although one plot hole that wasn't explained in THE PRESTIGE is if Christian Bale was using his twin the entire time, what exactly was his characters connection with Nikola Tesla, which eventually lead Hugh Jackman to Tesla and the machine he builds? Did Bale talk to Tesla, then decide he didn't need the machine, his act was good enough without it... or, what? Still, despite that, there's a nice little montage at the end of that film that puts the pieces together, when Jackman realizes that it was Bale's twin brother the entire time.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:55 p.m. CST
by Chris
I wish I had seen it in 3D. The Slo-Mo scenes I thought dragged on a bit in 2D, especially when we first meet Ma-Ma in the bathtub, but then I had to remind myself that it would look much better in 3D. Other than that, the movie was fantastic. The score was bitchin. And yeah, it is a shame it didn't do well here, but it did very well overseas, so maybe that will be enough for a sequel? After all, it was an R rated action flick. Those typically don't do as well as films families can go to, which is why that abysmal Hotel Transylvania is number one in the box office.
Oct. 1, 2012, 11:58 p.m. CST
by Chris
Here in FL, they actually only had two showings of DREDD in 2D at our theater, and another two showings of it in 3D, and that's it. Every day. On the other hand, they had SEVEN showings each day of some anti-Obama political documentary.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:01 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
How exactly did I agree with you
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST
Glad that TDKR is getting more gate, it deserves it
by Seth Brundle
it was a travesty on the thater, batman takes a 8 year break???? for a dead GF? no batarangs, , no grappling gun etc
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST
by Chris
Ah, I get it. You're trolling me now. Well, I assume you're trolling me, because nobody can be as oblivious and as stupid as you're pretending to be without dying from forgetting to breathe.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:06 a.m. CST
3000 cops buried for months, then they emerge clean, shaved, healthy and ready to fight, NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
If Bane can't survive without his mask, how did he survive in the pit with a cloth wrapped around his head?
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:07 a.m. CST
Fucks with these talkbacks
by MajorBludd
If Bane can't survive without his mask, how did he survive in the pit with a cloth wrapped around his head?
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
If Bane can't survive without his mask, how did he survive in the pit with a cloth wrapped around his head?
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:08 a.m. CST
I swear I actually have text here and it's not showing up
by MajorBludd
If Bane can't survive without his mask, how did he survive in the pit with a cloth wrapped around his head?
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:09 a.m. CST
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
talkbacks broken
by MajorBludd
You fucking idiot
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
by Chris
Look at him go, like a retarded child screaming at the top of his lungs for attention, repeating what other people say like the sort've game a child plays. Thanks for continuing to prove my point. Keep up the good work, lil' buddy.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
Seriously the talkback isnt letting me post my lame point!
by MajorBludd
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
talkbacks are broken and original was deleted Here's how you proved my point: If Bane can't survive without his mask, how did he survive in the pit with a cloth wrapped around his head? And by the way, in THAT scene, Bane has bandages wrapped around hi
by MajorBludd
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:10 a.m. CST
Robin becoming batman without training, gadgets, a special applied sciences division, no alfred, NO MONEY, yeah "anyone could be Batman" NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:11 a.m. CST
lmfao ...seriously fix this shit
by MajorBludd
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:12 a.m. CST
Paralyzing injury to the back, fixed by a punch in the same direction of the original hit, NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST
by Chris
Not to mention that contrived, stupid scene where that chick says, "Hey, you should use your real name--- I like Robin!" Never before in a major, tent pole, Hollywood film has there been a more derp moment than that... Well, if you exclude the last Transformers movie.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:13 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Ok simply: Bane survives in the pit because he doesn't need the mask to survive. It's medication so he can deal with the pain. He can live without it. You said it was a plot hole and it is not. Because you are a child.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST
by Chris
We get it, dude. You're an idiot incapable of coherent conversation, it's OK. Go play with some Playdough and LEGOS, OK? Just try to remember not to eat the Playdough... or the LEGOS, for that matter.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST
Robin sees that Bruce Wayne has a sad face when he visits his orphanage, Conclusion: He must be Batman . NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:15 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Was retarded. Cops living for months in the sewers was retarded. You focus on the wrong things to whine about. Bane, Bat's back and Catwoman are not the flaws you should be dwelling on.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:17 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
evilsmokemonster gets defensive when people call him GAY, but then he makes fun of others in little ad hominem attacks. Grow up.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:18 a.m. CST
He uses the insults
by MajorBludd
Because he doesn't understand film or film critique.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:19 a.m. CST
by Chris
Lol, at this point I'm going to go out on a limb and just assume you're trolling me and you agree that TDKR is a lazy, piece of shit film. No-one, no matter how stupid they are, would try to argue your last point while at the same time saying the film is NOT full of plot holes. That is the exact definition of a plot hole. The film, by the point we see Bane as a younger man, injured in that pit without his mask, has made it clear that he cannot survive or move about without his mask... Yet here he is, without his mask, just some bandages, perfectly fine, albeit a bit sulky.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
League of shadows wants to destroy Gotham cause its corrupted beyond salvation, yet now it has been crime-free for 8 years, who cares, gotta destroy it anyway NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:21 a.m. CST
Yet here he is, without his mask, just some bandages, perfectly fine, albeit a bit sulky.
by MajorBludd
Sure why not?
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
Nobody WANTED to hate Nolans Batman...
by Jobacca
If anything,a lot of fans spent far too long making excuses for it. Batman Begins was...boring. But it was having to clean up after the mess that was BATMAN AND ROBIN so we all cut it some slack...and that ending!!! Clearly we were going to get the Joker in part 2...and we did...and he was awesome. As was Two-Face....but the plot had holes big enough to drive a tank-sized Batmobile through...and Bales shitty Bat-Voice...and an ending that made no damn sense(I honestly didnt get that Two-Face was supposed to be dead until it was clarified on the net a few days later....one of the biggest and best Bat villains dies from falling a few feet onto a pile of dirt? In a fall that Batman survived? Really?)....well,even without The Joker part 3 was going to be awesome...the final farewell....this is what its all been building to...and we got a joke of a Bane...a wasted Catwoman...a wasted Talia...Batman was hardly in the damn movie...the plot STILL made no sense...and it ended with Batman faking his death,leaving Gotham,and living like a preppy in Italy with Catwoman....although how they managed that with him being broke and her being a thief we'll never know(hope Alfred checked his pension before he took that trip). In the end,Nolan's Batman was a massive disappointment and I REALLY hope that Warners can get a clue and move the franchise in another direction....but instead they'll probably back a dumptruck full of money up to Nolans door and we'll wind up getting the Justice League adventures of John Blake/Not Robin/Not Batman....ugh.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
deadshane, does that mean people can't criticize Batman and Robin....
by john
don't get me wrong, I loved DKR but your logic "until you can make a better batfilm yourself..." confuses me. Does that mean we should just say to hell with film criticism and liking/not liking movies alltogether?
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:22 a.m. CST
by Chris
The same person who made the remarks about ALIEN, in addition to every other stupid thing you've said, is suddenly trying to be the voice of reason? You're hilarious, sir. I, along with several others, have coherently and intelligently explained in multiple posts WHY TDKR is a turd. Thanks for the laugh, lil' buddy.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:23 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Pretty sure I agree with the ACTUAL flaws in the movie. But the gripes you have are ludicrous.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:24 a.m. CST
Bruce needs a leg prothesis to walk correctly at the beginning, then he's able to climb and escape from an inescapable prison without it NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
The FACT that you like AVP better than Alien? Is that what you are reffering to? I'm sure you thought Prometheus was superior as well.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:26 a.m. CST
by Chris
Quit talking sense, man. You're going to get people like Majorbludd and Notcher on your tail. Majorbludd will repeat everything you say, because he thinks it's funny or disproves your opinion, or something... Not really sure exactly what's wrong with that guy. Then Notcher will call you a fag.
Majorbludd will repeat everything you say
Majorbludd will repeat everything you say
Majorbludd will repeat everything you say
Majorbludd will repeat everything you say
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:27 a.m. CST
In all seriousnes, the talkback form, is behaving erractically.
by MajorBludd
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:30 a.m. CST
by Chris
Actually, the gripes you mentioned about the film? Yeah, I mentioned those in a post WAY up there that listed one after the other most of the nonsensical problems with TDKR. In fact, that SEAN1701 fella thanked me for intelligently explaining why this film is a pile of shit. But hey, you're stupid, so I won't hold anything you've said against you.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST
Selina betrays Bruce and delivers him directly to Bane to be back breaked and sent to the stupid prison, then returns and instead of slapping Selina...he abandons the Batman mantle and goes to tour the world with her....NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:31 a.m. CST
Keep spamming the talk backs, Majorbludd. The hilarity of your stupidity is gut bustingly funny.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:33 a.m. CST
by Chris
Not to mention he just met this chick, who tried to rob him, who he knows is a notorious cat burglar that will kill, and he just strolls with her through the sewers straight into the most obvious trap in film history. Talk about out of character. THAT is the kind of stupid shit Adam West's Batman used to do.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:35 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
It's ok that you either: A) don't understand the movie or B) posses a subjective taste which prevents you from enjoying the movie. But the truth is, it's an objectively good film. Not flawless, but it's good. It's better than average. Your opinion of it contains about as much credibility and weight as someone who has never seen it. Your subjective moaning has no bearing on the reality of the film. Consensus from the professionals and academics is unanimous: it's a competent film, that delivers an entertaining and largely satisfying narrative. Your so-called problems with it are delusion, fantasy or neurotic obsession. Go outside and get some fresh air, but before you do, brush your fucking teeth.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:37 a.m. CST
Bruce returns to gotham (who knows how) and instead of going to defuse the nuclear bomb, spends days designing a Bat symbol with gasoline....to have a sexy sign NOLAN WRITES SHIT
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST
God i could go all day pointing HOW FUCKIN STUPID this movie is
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:38 a.m. CST
Keep spamming the talk backs, Majorbludd. The hilarity of your stupidity is gut bustingly funny.
by MajorBludd
Reads like panic.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:39 a.m. CST
seth brundle
by MajorBludd
The fucker needed an army!
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:40 a.m. CST
by Chris
An even bigger plot hole is if Batman flew the Bat jet out and blew it up with a nuclear bomb, how exactly does Fox and those technicians figure that Bruce Wayne upgraded the software to the autopilot if the Batjet just blew up in a nuclear explosion? Again, we have to fill those holes in ourselves, we have to assume that Fox figured this out because he's seeing this upgraded autopilot software on all the other Batjets, but it's never actually made clear in the film, it's just something that we have to put the pieces together on our own. We just have to assume the Batjet he and those technicians are looking at in the last seconds of the filom is just another Batjet in the RND armory. Oh, but that's not bad storytelling, it's the MYSTIQUE of cinema... I forgot. Seriously, what better way to make up for shitty writing. If there's a plot hole, a nonsensical, out of character moment, it's not shit story telling, no, no, it's MYSTIQUE. What a bunch of horse shit.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:41 a.m. CST
seth brundle
by MajorBludd
The whole "ITS FUCKING STUPID" argument is tired and faux-intellectual at best. Good for you being an iconoclast.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:42 a.m. CST
After 8 years of exile, Bruce steps out of his car and its instantly recognized, yet.....no one recognizes this world class playboy who just died, ALIVE in fuckin florence, NOLAN WRITES CACA
by Seth Brundle
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:43 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Batman flew the Bat jet out and blew it up with a nuclear bomb, how exactly does Fox and those technicians figure that Bruce Wayne upgraded the software to the autopilot if the Batjet just blew up in a nuclear explosion? Shit, I guess he used his mind to upload/upgrade the firmware.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:44 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Fox probably saw an "updating firmware" log on the Wayne Enterprises network.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:45 a.m. CST
Dude this is fun, keep going.
by MajorBludd
I'll answer all your questions.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:46 a.m. CST
by Chris
Look at how hard you try to be insulting. Seriously, man.. It's OK. You don't need to get so defensive and butt hurt. Even if you ARE Christopher Nolan, which would be the only logical explanation as to why you're so angry at our mockery, you've still got THE PRESTIGE, MEMENTO, INSOMNIA, INCEPTION, and even THE DARK KNIGHT to look back on as successful films. No need to try and insult people. And if you're not Christopher Nolan, well, than there's really no reason for all the anger, insults, and frustration. Seriously, dude. It's just a shitty movie that almost everyone here is mocking, and btw, all for the same exact scenes and reasons. It's OK, man. When it comes out on DVD, you can watch it over and over and whisper to yourself that we're all wrong, that this is a fine piece of cinema... lmfao, I laughed at that thought... Anyway, it'll be OK, pal. There, there... Those tears aren't necessary. It'll be alright, lil' guy. I'll be alright.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:47 a.m. CST
I love how you've gone from barely intelligible gibberish to using words like 'iconoclast' to try and make yourself look less idiotic.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:47 a.m. CST
But 'big words' don't make up for TDKR being a shit movie, Majorbludd. Keep trying.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST
by The_All_Dead
You should give it up man. Its called cognitive dissonance dude,it happened to me over Superman Returns. I loved all those scenes in the movie but it wasnt till it hit home video that i found out that all those parts didnt make a good whole. They need to find out for themselves man. I say we let it go.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST
Shut up you two and point more plot holes!!!!
by Seth Brundle
lol xD
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
After 8 years of exile, Bruce steps out of his car and its instantly recognized, yet.....no one recognizes this world class playboy who just died, ALIVE in fuckin florence, NOLAN WRITES CACA A) Chalk it up to Elvis syndrome. People everywhere think Bruce is dead. Then in Spain they see a look-a-like. Are they going to call the police? Would you call the police if you saw an Elvis Impersonator? b) No one outside Gotham is really familiar with Wayne.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:49 a.m. CST
I'll be alright? That should be It'll be alright.* But I'll be alright, too, despite your stinging words.
by Chris
You cut me deep, madam. You cut me deep.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:52 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Someone's been spun into a tizzy ;) I'm using intelligible gibberish? You mean words? When? Sorry man, I'll keep it simple. Maybe it's over yer head like TDKR.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:54 a.m. CST
seth brundle
by MajorBludd
When did I ever tell anyone to shut up? I want to help you guys understand the film. You seem to have difficulty understanding some of the writing.
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST
Look at this guy keep trolling the talkback.
by Chris
It's only after notcher stopped responding to this thread, when he realized everyone was in agreement that his movie is crap, that Majorbludd began trolling the forum out of desperation. Does anyone actually believe this guy agrees that this film sucks? Nah, he's just incapable of intelligently explaining his views. Now he's desperately trolling us because he has nothing else. It's the predictable actions of a stupid person. Sort've like arguing politics or religion with someone who, when losing the debate, thinks it's funny to just start sarcastically agreeing with and repeating everything you say.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1 a.m. CST
Again, it's very similar to the way a child acts when faced with an unflattering truth.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:02 a.m. CST
Does anyone else wish that Harry would change the design of these talkback threads to mirror modern websites? There isn't even an edit feature.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:04 a.m. CST
I'm surprised someone hasn't offered to edit his site for free, just to bring this shit up to date.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:05 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
Oh are we having talkback problems?
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:06 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
that Majorbludd began trolling the forum out of desperation Does anyone actually believe this guy agrees that this film sucks? What are you trying to say here?
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:07 a.m. CST
I agree with legitimate crtitcisms of TDKR
by MajorBludd
But you have none. You're just arguing for the sake of it. A contrarian who has no real opinions. Just grasping at straws. Or a troll.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:10 a.m. CST
ALMOST everything
by MajorBludd
you've brought up ISN'T A PLOT HOLE. I agree with your views on Robin and the sewer cops. But you refuse to listen. Everything else that you find "wrong" with it is just petty nitpicking.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:13 a.m. CST
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST
From WIKIPEDIA...
by Chris
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. While many stories have unanswered questions, unlikely events or chance occurrences, a plot hole is one that is essential to the story's outcome. Plot holes are usually seen as weaknesses or flaws in a story, and writers usually try to avoid them to make their stories seem as realistic as possible. However, certain genres (and some media) which require or allow suspension of disbelief are more tolerant of plot holes. Writers can deal with plot holes in different ways, from completely rewriting the story, to having characters acknowledge illogical or unintelligent actions, to having characters make vague statements that could be used to deflect accusations of plot holes (e.g. "I've tried everything I can think of..." to keep critics from asking why a particular action was not taken). The nature of the plot hole and the developmental stage at which it is noticed usually determine the best course of action to take. For example, a motion picture that has already wrapped production would much more likely receive an added line of dialogue rather than an entire script rewrite.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:14 a.m. CST
From Yahoo answers
by Chris
A plot hole is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST
From CHA-CHA
by Chris
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:15 a.m. CST
BTW Robin and the sewer cops
by MajorBludd
Arn't really plot holes, just lame plot devices. "How do we ..uh...get rid of the cops for a little while without killing them or having them continuously fight the Bane Army? How about we "freeze" them! Yeah, literally bury them for later! So when we need them for the showdown, they'll just reaper on que all fit and ready to fight" See that's an example of a lazy and obvious plot device. Robin was just fan service and it was really poor. Nothing else in the film was even close to as insulting. So tame were the other "problems" that they don't require discussion.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:16 a.m. CST
From MOVIEPLOTHOLES.COM
by Chris
Minor Plot hole: A CIA-sponsored aircraft does not detect a non-stealth plane flying slowly above its flight trajectory. This means that part of the subplot for this movie goes something like this: U.S General: You wanted to see me Mr. President ? Obama: Yes, I unfortunately bring sad news my dear friend. The recession hit us hard. We have to make difficult decisions to save the economy - What I mean by that is......Radars. U.S General: I'm sorry sir, I am not sure I - Obama: Radars. We are going to scrap radars from U.S aircraft. All of them. Those things are luxuries we as the American people can no longer afford. Bane being the mastermind that he is, knew about the lack of radars on CIA planes, otherwise his plan would have fell to shit. Minor Plot hole: Dagget's plan to take over Wayne Enterprises makes no sense. Ok. He needs Bruce Wayne's fingerprints to make a bunch of bad stock decisions in order to momentarily ruin the company and push him out of the board. Fine – so far so good. But why the hell would you use Bruce's fingerprints the same day as your planned Stock Market attack? Don't you think that if all the policemen are not descendants of interbreeding families they would find it suspicious that Bruce Wayne was not present on the scene of the attack and that none of the hundreds of witnesses saw him there? Could they find it suspicious that Wayne Enterprises goes down the exact second the terrorists are leaving the Gotham Stock Market in shambles? Wouldn't all transactions be cancelled or called into question anyway after the computer systems were hacked in an armed raid? If the whole plan was to get a simple atomic bomb – couldn't they just buy or create one themselves without having to produce this convoluted mess that could fail at every step of the way? Minor Plot hole: So the Gotham police force is finally out of the sewers after 5 months of increasing malnutrition and gay urges. Their plan? Find Bane's army (soldiers with AK-47s and tanks) and charge them with a few handguns. No surprise. No surrounding strategy. Just a good old suicidal medieval B-line. It's a miracle Bane's soldiers also happened to be retards themselves and decided to fist fight trained police officers instead of mowing them down with their weapons. But one thing is even weirder: all the cops were clean-shaved. This means that aside from food – Gillette razors and creams were the number 1 item sent in the sewers. Minor Plot hole: People on the internet complain that Batman appeared out of nowhere in Gotham city after leaving the desert. Those same people would probably call on the UN Security council for a drone strike on Christopher Nolan's house if they considered the fact that Bruce Wayne had to spend days hiding around one of Gotham's destroyed bridge to paint a batman symbol with gasoline. He probably needed a few gallons – which mean he had to climb up and down a few times to finish his masterpiece while avoiding both Bane's mercenaries and the police. But you know, you can't put a price on a shitty bat-signal that will destroy your surprise advantage and potentially kill you when you can add the thrill of trying to disarm a nuclear bomb minutes before it explodes instead of having a head-start. Minor Plot hole: Catwoman is the best burglar in the world. She is the definition of stealthy: she can drive a 800-pounds motorcycle up a set of stairs right next to Batman and Bane without them noticing anything. It's probably because of the high-heels. Major Plot hole: This exchange should have happened somewhere. Gordon: Bane is in the sewers. I feel like his plan will unravel soon. Send everyone. Gotham Cop: What do you mean everyone? Gordon: EVERYONE! Gotham Cop: Didn't the last two films establish how smart you were? You want to send a thousand cops in the sewers at the same time? What if they get stuck? What if there is an explosion – you know, similar to the one that almost got you in the face? What if a scared woman calls 911 because a crazy guy made nunchuks out of her two children and tries to kill her with it? Do we tell her to run towards the sewers to get saved? Would it be better to just send a few? Or have a strategy? Or are you really gonna follow that screenplay so that Gotham can lose all its cops without character names in the most ridiculous way possible? Gordon: EVERYONE! Major Plot hole: Bane commands one of his soldiers to stay in the crashing plane - aka to sacrifice his life - because the CIA will expect the crashed remains to have one prisoner body inside. But Bane simply wasted a comrade's life. The CIA has engineers and forensic experts that will be able to see that the plane was attacked from the exterior - bullets fired from outside the windows - and holes dug outside the cockpit by mechanical wrenches. There is no way for the CIA to assume nothing fishy and fancy happened. Considering the wings will be miles away from the rest of the remains - even an inbred postman would be able to grasp the physical concept that no plane can crash like this on its own. Thus, with all the efforts put into his master-plan, Bane sacrificed a soldier for nothing and put a lot of effort into a stealth operation that will simply not work. Which is all the more confusing when you think about the fact that the actor who plays the sacrificed soldier shows-up later in the film on a bridge scene with the U.S. army. Plot contrivance: Nolan's Batman universe is realistic. This is why the Stock Exchange attack is clearly shown during the day only to suddenly turn into nightfall 4 minutes later when Batman shows-up on his Bat-cycle to Bat-own the shit out of those time sorcerers. Plot contrivance: The police finally corners the Batman after his 8 year leave of absence. The excitement gets the best of the GCPD and the raging boners are increasingly difficult to hide. Batman is stuck in a hallway with cops covering the only exit. But SURPRISE! Batman takes off in his flying Bat-Lobster that generates more sound than a pack of rogue lawnmowers in a kinder garden. How the hell did Batman land this flying sound-nightmare in the middle of the city without anyone noticing? Yes, it's painted black – which I am sure was quite useful when he landed the thing during the sunny day before reaching the Bank. Adding the fact that it would still sound like a helicopter flying right beside your face makes us wonder what type of people live in Gotham. Plot contrivance: Listen-up kids. If you ever go Banesane and break your sibling's back by bending it with your knee because they ate the last blue Popsicle in the freezer– just follow those easy but long instructions from the world's best chiropractor who took care of Batman in a desert shithole: 1) Punch the spine Now that you followed all the instructions, your brother/sister is now ready to play with you again and mommy and daddy will never know what happened. Have fun and play safe. Plot contrivance: It is very nice of Bane to offer Batman a television while he stays in an underground prison in Shitistan. You have to realize that a few of his henchmen had to dig a 30-stories hole through the desert beside the prison to be able to pass the cable and power source to get the TV to work. Then those same henchmen had to think out-loud ''Now where the fuck do we connect this ?'' and realize that the closest power supply was in the neighboring town a few miles away. Then they had to buy more wire extensions and dig another small tunnel to hide the wires. The few henchmen that survived the exhausting ordeal then had to sexually bargain the access to an electrical socket owned by the tribe leader who controls all the electricity in the region. This could have been a movie by itself. Plot contrivance: Bruce becomes a cripple (for whatever reason we might add). He doesn't think he has what it take to return as the Batman anymore. Fortunately for him, he gets a robot leg upgrade that makes him able to kick through concrete. So when Cyborg-Batman meets his nemesis, Bane, for the first time, he sticks to his fists to hurt Bane and never uses his Super-Saiyan leg to tear his limbs off. And actually, the demonstration of his new cyber-leg will be the first and only time it is ever seen or mentioned in the screenplay. Plot Contrivance: The CIA agrees to take some hooded prisoners aboard their plane because they work for the 'masked-man' called Bane. The CIA, an organization that is known to be very rigid, thoughtful and safe in their internal action plan decides to NOT look at any of the prisoner's face before getting them on the plane. You know, in case someone has a bomb or emitter in their mouth - or if someone has a mask and is called Bane. Plot Contrivance: Batman landed his Bat-Lobster on top of a building in Gotham and during the 5 months mega-looting by millions of angry citizens, no one ever found it: including Bane's mercenaries who knew it existed and still had to be somewhere on the island. Unaddressed Issue: How did Bruce Wayne get back in Gotham city? He had a few days to do it so it is not that farfetched of an idea to conceive. But – he was malnourished, beaten, penniless, stuck in Shitistan and he got inside the most heavily guarded city on Earth. Did he use a secret tunnel? Did he use George Clooney's Bat-skates to cross the river? That could work as an explanation –but I pulled it out of my ass, nothing in the movie implied for an easy way for Bruce to show up again in the city. He just teleported there like a video game character using a scroll of town portal. Unaddressed Issue: Batman saved Gotham from a nuclear explosion. Booyah! Too bad the nuclear explosion still occurred a few miles away from the city. Here's the title for the next installment: Nuclear Fallout: Rise of Robin's hospital night-shift. Unaddressed Issue: If Bruce Wayne is alive at the coffee table at the end - how come no one recognizes him? After all, he is the famous dead billionaire of Gotham City. Would you recognize Steve Jobs if he was taking a coffee right beside you ? Unaddressed Issue: Gotham citizens are weird. They hate the rich millionaires but they are cool with an exposed-cranium Darth Vader wanna-be who exploded their Football team, mayor and bridges. They also believe what Bane says about Gordon – I mean, this is assuming any of them understood what the fuck he was saying through that metal face-hugger. But as an audience, we know the letter is real, but how can the citizens just blindly assume it's true? It's just a piece of paper read by a stranger who exploded hundreds of people a few seconds ago. Is it the best way to get Gotham's trust? Unaddressed Issue: Why did Bane and Talia want to die with Gotham? Why did Bane and Talia want to give 5 months of anarchy to Gotham before blowing it up…..instead of just blowing it up? Why did Talia want to finish her father's will if she hated him? Why did Talia want to finish her father's will if Gotham was not the same corrupted city it used to be with all the mobsters in prison? Why did Marion Cottillard play Talia's death scene like a FOX Kids cartoon character?
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:22 a.m. CST
Interestingly enough, if you type, 'WHAT IS A PLOT HOLE' into ASK.COM's search engine, almost every website is about The Dark Knight Rises being complete shit.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:23 a.m. CST
Yeah I know without having to look it up.
by MajorBludd
Nothing is the film that you mentioned wasn't sufficiently displayed on screen or in dialogue. The few things that were unseen (like how Bats returned to the island) are left to the viewer to imagine. The director ASSUMES you are familiar with Batman at this point. And his backstory. His training. Certain things like Batman walking across the ice to the island can be skipped over because they are not critical to the plot. You just assume Batman knows how to get around because WE ALREADY SAW HIM DO IT IN BATMAN BEGINS. Like when we was a stowaway on a ship, and a thief, etc. He can survive. The audience gets it. Do you?
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:24 a.m. CST
Try it. It's pretty funny. On the first page alone there are five websites mocking the stupidity of TDKR, and all for the same scenes.
by Chris
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:27 a.m. CST
by MajorBludd
._. Are you serious? Like post your own ideas or don't post. I am arguing YOUR ideas. Not that website. But you need wikipedia and plotholes.com to do what exactly? To prove that TDKR has plot holes? I already knew that. I've stated it. But the ones YOU came up with are not legitimate. Maybe the ones that plotholes.com have listed are legitimate, but I'm not arguing that website. I'm arguing you, and apparently you've run out of ideas. Seriously get the fuck outta here!
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:28 a.m. CST
No, majorbludd, the director assumes you're an idiot. That's the mistake you're making.
by Chris
He's not betting on you understanding Batman and putting aside logic because hey, it's Batman, he just doesn't care to take the time to explain it because the movie is already a bloated mess. I mean, here Nolan tries desperately to ground his Batman in reality, only to piss all over that for his 'grand finale.' Still, nice try. Nolan should send you a signed copy of TDKR, or at least a signed poster, for all the apologizing you do for it. Now, I'm going to go watch something that doesn't suck on Netflix. Thanks for the laughs, Majorbludd. We'll continue this another time. :)
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:29 a.m. CST
Should I copypastaaa the "pro-TDKR" website?
by MajorBludd
If one even exists (I wouldn't know)??
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:30 a.m. CST
One last thing, about MOVIEPLOTHOLES.COM...
by Chris
Actually, everything they say on that site, in addition to every other site mocking TDKR, is exactly the same thing I and everyone else has been saying on here. Again, nice try. Off to the XBOX! Toodles.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:41 a.m. CST
I'll actually read that website,
by MajorBludd
Because I'm sure there are plotholes I've never noticed (and I noticed a lot). I see what you are saying about the logic. He has a short-hand scene set-up and editing style that quickly and efficiently shows plot threads coming together. Perhaps too many (creating this bloat) It can be easy to miss things, or confuse them. I get that. And I also acknowledge there are fundamental problems with the script and world he's set up, so that this short-hand style, although efficient at quickly communicating complex info, unfortunately is communicating flawed info, as in bad logic. That makes for a smart-on-the-surface but actually kind of dumb movie. The threads are dumb because they don't follow logic. Yes. But when he glosses over things like bats returning to gotham....that's not a problem. Banes mask origin...same thing. These are not logically absurd speed bumps. I'm arguing that there are bigger fish to fry within the script and editing of TDKR.
Oct. 2, 2012, 2:23 a.m. CST
"one of the best comedies of 2012" pastitsios, this remark made my day. I will probably pick it up so I can laugh at Bane's voice again
by Bradly Durant
Oct. 2, 2012, 2:31 a.m. CST
This Blu-ray/DVD set could come with a Jessica Alba sex tape and I still wouldn't buy it. The movie was an underbaked piece of crap. Nolan had FOUR YEARS to come up with a good story. He failed.
by jawsfan
With all due respect to those folks who got shot in the theater in Colorado, at least their final hours were spent in joyful expectation of what they thought would be a good time. Had they seen the film before the shooter opened fire, more people would have lined up to take a bullet. I almost walked out of this movie. I stayed through the end just out of morbid curiosity. After "Inception" and "TDKR", Nolan should just hang it up and go back to doing whatever it is he does best, but it's NOT making movies.
Oct. 2, 2012, 2:51 a.m. CST
Best Movie Of The Year!
by IAmTommyWiseau
Can't wait to own this beauty!
Oct. 2, 2012, 2:54 a.m. CST
This movie is like when your favorite rapper tries to/gos mainstream
by WINONA_RYDERS_PUSSY_JUICE
It's highly polished with cutting edge production, even has a couple good songs, but it's also missing the heart and soul, catchy hooks, fire and hunger of their previous output.
Oct. 2, 2012, 2:57 a.m. CST
The Dark Knight Rises is just a different kind of...
by Darkness
comic book movie. The aesthetical approach employed by the brothers Nolan, is the independent film sensibilities that has driven most of their movies without being too showy. Nolan likes to be pragmatic in using practical effects on a large scale to propel the movies set-pieces; and avoid the the over-reliance of CGI, which can overwhelmingly saturate a movie and suffocate the story. Christ! and there have been a number of those over the years. Of course there are flaws in movies on this scale, but many do under such scrutiny. There is a fascinating arc of deception in his movies, and that dream-like quality that resonates throughout. The final scene of "The Dark Knight Rises" is delivered as that "Happy Ending"...but coming from the Nolan's: I would like to believe it isn't the case. Most of their characters are flawed and never appease to a satisfactory outcome: Lenny Shelby; Alfred Borden; Will Dormer; Cobb, and Mr. Wayne - whose tormented soul would be at ease if there were a faulty ejector seat at hand. "The Dark Knight Rises" will probably convert it's critics come one sullen evening over the holidays, when the blu-ray will be probably on the top of their gift ideas...I don't know, maybe. Dig the limited edition box - looks very fanciful.
Oct. 2, 2012, 3:42 a.m. CST
Suck it haters
by Shadow Warrior
IMDB Top 250 of all time #8 The Dark Knight #29 The Dark Knight Rises #103 The Avengers #105 Batman Begins
Oct. 2, 2012, 3:55 a.m. CST
by SHADOWPRIME
To me, the Nolan movies are the equivalent of a Batman graphic novel. It is as if DC brought in a special writer and artist and that team created a graphic novel, a stand alone BATMAN story, that while rooted in the mountains of BATMAN history and material that came before, is their own take on the character. Which, of course, has actually happened, many times, in comic book form - unique takes on the character, mythology, etc. The Nolan stories, to me, get a lot right, and I don't think they got much, if anything, WRONG - it is just that they chose to emphasize certain elements of the character, over other elements. Which leaves plenty of room for other interpretations when they inevitably reboot the series. For example, I would enjoy seeing, next time, more of the grim, relentlessly focused and confident. "always one step ahead" BATMAN, even if that take presented him as less vulnerable and human. That being said, I LOVED the Nolan movies, think the Joker story was one of the best superhero stories ever put to film, and I appreciated the entire arc, including RISES. Nolan presented a Batman story with a clear beginning, middle and end, a self contained complete arc. And to some here ... yeah, I have got to wonder how it is fun to just hate on EVERYTHING. No offense. We all like what we like, and that is fine. But some here seem to think its a badge of honor or sophistication to hate on EVERYTHING.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:03 a.m. CST
Dont be so fucking stupid. So everyone that didn't like the film will not be buying it?
by sarg2k
It is one of the best trilogies of all time It is one of the best films of the year It is better than The Avengers If you do not agree then you are wrong, no arguement
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:04 a.m. CST
I wonder if the people bashing on TDKR have seen BATMAN AND ROBIN, THE FANTASTIC FOUR, X-MEN 3 and DAREDEVIL.
by brokentusk
Perspective is everything. THE DARK KNIGHT RISES was anything but shit.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:08 a.m. CST
I like Nolan's films. But TDKR was just clumsy.
by belasco_house
I wish I could blindly love it like some of the talkbackers, but I can't see past the assembled mess. Look forward to Nolan's next though.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:15 a.m. CST
The Dark Knight Rises was a great film.
by Nichole
Maybe, you haters will realize that when you buy it and watch it again. You know you will, your spending time in a talkback, even though you hate it. It will be sitting on your shelf in no time. Too funny. Avengers and Prometheus were grea
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:16 a.m. CST
Avengers and Prometheus were great too.
by Nichole
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:17 a.m. CST
You know what movie sucks?
by Nichole
Larry Clarks' KIDS. Fuck that movie.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:18 a.m. CST
Can't wait to not get this
by Autodidact
Never watching it again is gonna rock.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST
by Nichole
Yeah sure.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:22 a.m. CST
THE DARK KNIGHT FAILS REPEATEDLY AND IS GENERALLY BUTTHURT THROUGHOUT is more like amirite
by Autodidact
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:24 a.m. CST
I know let's climax our trilogy with a mano y mano between two trained ninja assassins and choreograph it like two drunken rednecks brawling over a parking spot
by Autodidact
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:25 a.m. CST
TDKR ?? more like TLDR amirite
by Autodidact
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:32 a.m. CST
DAREDEVIL was better than TDKR... yeah I said it
by Autodidact
I'm just kidding though. TDKR is better than Daredevil.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:36 a.m. CST
Kidding about DAREDEVIL but serious about not watching this again
by Autodidact
I have had loads of fun making fun of it for the past few months though.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:39 a.m. CST
Maybe I'll like this better on second viewing
by Autodidact
Maybe I'll spend an hour huffing aerosols beforehand.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:52 a.m. CST
There are major plot holes here but if people are pissed that it doesn't make sense how Batman's FUCKING TV worked in prison, they need to have sex with something urgently.
by DiamondJoe
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST
Re the mask - it was never said Bane needed it to SURVIVE, just that it helped him cope with pain. Not defending the many plot holes, just sayin'.
by DiamondJoe
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:53 a.m. CST
I believe the bomb is referred to as a neutron bomb. The blast radius of such a bomb is much smaller than a conventional nuclear detonation and so considering that Batman was a couple of miles away, the explosion would not affect Gotham. As to the radiati
by DiamondJoe
Oct. 2, 2012, 5 a.m. CST
Here's a theory to throw out...just a theory.
by Sean
Now just before i do, putting flaws aside, (it isn't my point) let me say that i love Nolan's Batman films BUT...it still isn't what i perceive to be a faithful adaptation or interpretation of the character as seen in decades worth of comics...even the Arkham games and the 90's animated series, both very faithful versions. Now, if you are a huge. longterm fan of the character like myself...faithfullness is important and we geeks online or off...are relentless in wanting to see our beloved onscreen. So my theory is, if we truly understand the characteristics of Bruce Wayne and all that is wrong with him, will we EVER see a truly faithful Batman? Bruce Wayne is, physchologically disturbed. Decades on, he hasn'y really remotely healed himself from the death of his parents. He is, a bit of a sadist, while he vows never to kill or use guns... (though i believe that line can and will at times be crossed in our lifetimes) he ENJOYS beating the motherfuck out of criminals. Bruce Wayne, while has the flirtation and occasionally follows through with a few women, they are mainly distractions for him. He channels his sexual energy into his mission against crime or...ignores it. He is 100% dedicated and focused on his war and will not quit, will not let anyone stop him and nothing, no setback, not a love interest's death, not Jason Todd, no one's get in the way. He is emotionally cold, standoffish, humourless, demanding and tough to be around. Yet, Alfred and we fans love him all the same for it somehow...maybe just for that hope to see his humanity shine through a crack somewhere. So, Batman...is not normal, at all. And though the films try to present bits and pieces of Wayne's psyche as described here, it is no way near close to what it is, therefore the movies have sugar coated Wayne, stripped back a lot of his idiosyncracies to make him more sympathetic and relatable, etc. They gave him love interests, made him a bit more normal. Hell, i'd argue that in a lot of ways that Christian Bale...while perfectly cast, actually portrays one of the most well adjusted, less tortured Bruce Waynes out of all the actors that have played him in 70 odd years. Would studios and film makers really have the balls to make Batman just like that, make him a hero to really root for, though few audiences and target demographics (kids, women, etc) are expected to relate to? Shit, i'd love to try, given the chance, BUT I dare say this all has to do with it. Nolan's Batman did a lot of stuff way out of chharacter, stuff we know the comic Batman would not do and my theory is simply that he's been watered down to accomodate a general film going public that don't mind a dark hero, someone a little bit odd, but a tormented 'psychopath'? (for lack of a better word) I'm not so sure.
Oct. 2, 2012, 5:12 a.m. CST
What about that extended or reissued cut in cinemas?
by alexander
Is that not actually happening? Still havn't watched this movie yet. Timing has just been all wrong, then heard those rumours... Really like Prometheus actually after watching it for the second time properly, and having my initial expectations washed away. I wish they had left in most of the cut material though.
Oct. 2, 2012, 5:20 a.m. CST
Good Lord. I can't get over this internet Cynisism.
by Nichole
Can you imagine going back in time and showing The Dark Knight Rises to a kid watching the TV Show. It would blow their minds. I always joke with people, that I would love to see a kid show up with an Xbox 360, and plug it in while everyone at the sleepover is playing Pac-man on the Atari 2600. I think heads, would literally explode, eyes melt, epiphanies abound. But Nowadays, everything is gay, stupid, not good enough. Point being..... Dark Knight Rises is pimp, and you guys need to get a grip.
Oct. 2, 2012, 5:27 a.m. CST
You wish we could buy the trilogy pack and get the cowl? You don't already own the first two? I thought mostly everyone did, so it makes sense the third standalone has the cowl
by happybunni
Oct. 2, 2012, 5:44 a.m. CST
Fuck that shit
by brobdingnag
Buy the comics Nolan stole 75% of his story from, Batman Year One and The Dark Knight Returns.
Oct. 2, 2012, 6:02 a.m. CST
brobdingnag ?
by Nichole
Isn't that where he should have stole it from? You know. The Source Material.
Oct. 2, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST
I'm not paying 50 quid for the cowl, I'll just take the HMV steelbook. But have to say, the dvd artwork is terrible.
by Mark Jones
Oct. 2, 2012, 6:48 a.m. CST
this movie rocked 2nd time around
by Jaymie69
Oct. 2, 2012, 6:49 a.m. CST
The only explanation I can come up with...
by symon
Is that they're not very familiar with the comic book Batman to begin with. That's the only answer that makes any sense.
Oct. 2, 2012, 6:50 a.m. CST
TDKR had too much Bane, not enough Batman.
by F-18
Batman was barely in the BATMAN movie. That's why I think it sucks.
Oct. 2, 2012, 7 a.m. CST
I agree that there weren't enough Batman "moments", but because Bruce is exposed and playing himself in TDKR, the character was there plenty.
by Mark Jones
Oct. 2, 2012, 7:30 a.m. CST
images robbed
by David
why do you keep taking images off DVD Active? Can't you talk to the PR compaies yourself?
Oct. 2, 2012, 7:32 a.m. CST
Tired of high school kids bashing these movies...
by Andrew Coleman
You guys are in high school right? That's really the only excuse for the complete stupidity I see in here... "TDKR sucked, actually thinking about it so does TDK! Nolan is trash!"... All of this screams that pathetic type of jealousy high school kids go through. Where everything sucks. The people behind it are trash and you could do better. My favorite comment was the guy saying something like: "Go and read the comics Nolan stole from"... I thought these movies were based off comics so it's not stealing when you're basing a movie off something idiot. If you find yourself bitching like this and you're over the age of I don't know 22. You need help or a girl friend. Because it's really fucking pathetic. If you can't enjoy yourself watching those movies you must be a horrible person to be around I feel for your mom who has to see you every day and sigh because she knows you'll never have a family.
Oct. 2, 2012, 7:44 a.m. CST
87%fresh on RT, so fuck you haters! Thanks to Nolan! Best comicbook movie to date!
by MariusXe
Can't believe that most of you like your superhero movies dumb, like Avengers. I love that Nolan took the material seriously. We will never again have Batman movies that are this good.
Oct. 2, 2012, 7:59 a.m. CST
I must've seen a different movie than the haters
by Beebop
Because I thoroughly enjoyed TDKR, and that was sitting in a cramped Omnimax theater with the audio so loud I could only understand half of the dialog, and the screen was a gigantic curved nausea-inducing headache to look at.
Oct. 2, 2012, 8:08 a.m. CST
There is another Blu-ray version being released...
by JeffTHX
Best Buy will have an special steelbook-packaged blu-ray, with an exclusive documentary called "The Dark Knight Reborn". I don't know much else about it, but I did see this info in a different press release. It's currently up for pre-order on their site, but no other details are provided. Here's a trailer for the documentary (which really doesn't give any feel for whether it's worth ponying up the extra $$ to get this version): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anj8sQW3oSk
Oct. 2, 2012, 8:10 a.m. CST
Correction: There's no pre-order button on the Best Buy site
by JeffTHX
...For the Steelbook version. It's listed there, but it just has a "coming soon" button-- not a "Pre-order" button.
Oct. 2, 2012, 8:11 a.m. CST
Enjoyed TDKR. But it was horribly edited.
by Frat Boy
Even moreso than TDK which was also horribly edited.
Oct. 2, 2012, 8:21 a.m. CST
I hope the next reboot goes book to the comic roots...
by Darren
Realism is bullshit- It's all a frickin fantasy anyhow!
Oct. 2, 2012, 8:26 a.m. CST
Such a shitty fucking movie.
by Volllllume3
Oct. 2, 2012, 8:38 a.m. CST
by pr0g2west
You are very smart, but I think you care way too much. You should smoke a nice fat bowl and watch Loony Toons, take your mind off things.
Oct. 2, 2012, 8:52 a.m. CST
Oh, I thought of a plot hole...
by pr0g2west
Why does batman wear pointy ears? Or better, why does he dress like a bat? If I saw a dude like that in a rational, realistic world I would laugh my ass off. Surely he could have the same results without the nonsensical accessorizing. Then again, maybe he just likes the fantasy of becoming a bat. That would make it not a plot hole after all. Why this, why that? I know why, because it's a movie. If you over analyze it, you will run into a whole gaggle of inexplicable imponderables.
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:05 a.m. CST
forget this shitty movie!
by dieanotherday
if nolan couldn't give two shits about this terrible movie ... why should we? where's the Skyfall review?
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:11 a.m. CST
I'm just glad Sherlock Holmes didnt hang em up after faking his death at Reichenbach.
by whatevillurks
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:26 a.m. CST
@ jobacca : u r rite
by qwsdqwedq sdbcjhdwiuvdh
just like u, i cant wait 4 another Joel Schumacher Batman with nippled, crotched suits and over the top theatrical production values, and not mention campy humor - yeah that totally ruled ass and stuff !!! nolan's batman was way 2 serious - please bring back schumacher nuff said
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:31 a.m. CST
Fuck this piece of shit for a movie.
by Jack Black
fuck it.
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:51 a.m. CST
Profoundly disappointed with all these different releases
by Transhuman
I love these movies but I'm getting the DVD until the Ultimate Collector set comes out and the price drops on it. And it better not be $300 like Harry Pooter, that was eight movies as opposed to three. Also, the special features sucked on TDK so they better step it up for a trilogy set or fuck them.
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
Batman Reboot coming in 2014!
by Bob
What will all the Batman fans say? For that matter, what will all the Spider-Man fans say? Oh yeah, in case this site missed it, Webb is BACK for ASM2 mothafuckas! Suuuuck it!
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:56 a.m. CST
Oh and still nothing about Prometheus? It's coming out next week for the love of all that's holy
by Transhuman
Can't wait to buy that one so my "questions will be answered" that should have already been answered in the damn movie. I was a big Lost fan but fuck Damon Lindelof and his bullshit. On his twitter page it says something about how he doesn't know what anything meant on Lost either. Fuck him.
Oct. 2, 2012, 9:59 a.m. CST
$35 for a single movie blu-ray... no fucking thank you..
by James Robinson
That is complete unfettered bullshit. Looks like I'm gonna be waiting LONG time before adding this film to my library. Just Sayin'
Oct. 2, 2012, 10:32 a.m. CST
Captain_spalding please read the article again
by john
Oct. 2, 2012, 10:42 a.m. CST
DREDD > Justice League/Batman Reboots
by MajorBludd
I'd trade 50 Justice League movies for a Proper Dredd sequel. I'd trade all future Batman movies for a Dredd sequel.
Oct. 2, 2012, 10:48 a.m. CST
this talkback reminds me of when I had John Carpenter as a teacher at film school...
by Dion Mucciacito
in our talkbacks after we screened films, he let us know that he was tired of people talking just to hear their own voices and not saying anything or contributing anything. From all you TDKR haters, thats all I hear from you. And your so called informed opinions are shit. Maybe if you watched films other than Nerd genre shit, you might have better insight.
Oct. 2, 2012, 10:51 a.m. CST
TDKR is the Godfather 3 of Nolan's Batman Trilogy.
by Jack Black
This is the truth.
Oct. 2, 2012, 10:58 a.m. CST
I won't be buying the third movie, ever. My Batman "Trilogy" ends at The Dark Knight. Don't support crappy movies!
by happybunni
Oct. 2, 2012, 11:32 a.m. CST
The Lazerous Pit would have been a better choice than a punch to the back
by cgih8r
Nolan leaves himself up to some pretty harsh medical scrutiny with that quick-fix technique, but The Lazerous Pit requires no explanation and is immune to scrutiny. It's a mysterious pool with healing properties, and it's a huge nod to the Batman fans. He should have used it instead! Damnit.
Oct. 2, 2012, 11:45 a.m. CST
Bluray features are getting more sparse.
by knowthyself
The avengers bluray has the worst featurettes. Remember when studios used to put real effort into features?
Oct. 2, 2012, 11:46 a.m. CST
TDKR is better than most third films.
by knowthyself
But still has some major problems and Nolan abandons his efforts to keep Batman in a real world setting.
Oct. 2, 2012, 11:47 a.m. CST
captain_spalding Nobody sells them for that price.
by knowthyself
Those are SRP. Store sell them for the standard $19 price. Where you been the last eight years?
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:42 p.m. CST
@sanjuro33 I take offense to that
by Pipple
I'll admit when I was younger I watched only nerdy movies. Ninja turtles, batman, indy, star wars. But at 26 now, I have a MUCH more mature sensibilities. Do I still watch bucketloads of Porn? Yes, but besides that I recently watched Se7en for the first time. Fucking brilliant film. I've seen City of God, Basic Instinct, Rules of Engagement, Lawrence of Arabia and though it bored the fuck out of me, yes I've sat through 2001 a space Odyssey, amongst other movies. Oh and I've watched alien before seeing Prometheus. And I'm still checking out more older films that require actual thought and not just dumbass cgi and explosions. so there... :p
Oct. 2, 2012, 12:57 p.m. CST
I just hope the Batsuit is better represented in the eventual reboot...
by Han Cholo
I understand Batman needs to turn his head and whatnot, even though the cowl looked terrible throughout all 3 films, however the body arm- I mean the Batsuit should have looked a lot better than it did. Style lines and contours does not a Batsuit make, sorry!
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:05 p.m. CST
No, sir, I don't like it. And I'm not gonna buy it.
by SergeantStedenko
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:11 p.m. CST
You fucking idiots
by Doug
TDKR is a great film. Sure, it's not up to the level of TDK, that doesn't make it shit. But keep telling yourself how smart you are and how TDKR is full of plot holes just because you noticed the cops are clean shaven when they come out of the sewers.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:12 p.m. CST
Just look at that picture of Batman and Bane. Batman is taller than Bane. Bane looks like a shrimp. Not threatening at all.
by SergeantStedenko
That picture alone reveals how weak a villain Bane is. BANE SHOULD BE FREAKING TOWERING THE FREAK OVER BATMAN!!! Not vice versa. The biggest problem with this movie was the lack of a decent villain. 'Nuff said.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
That broken mask looks pretty neat
by cromulent
Eye prolly get it.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:25 p.m. CST
TDKR is a shitty movie pretending to be a masterpiece.
by Jack Black
Michael Bay would have made a better movie that this turd, at least he would have made a badass Batman, not that pussy in the Nolaverse. and i am serious.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:52 p.m. CST
According to Nolan fixing the broken spine of a man with some rope
by Jack Black
is more realistic than having a pit filled with a miraculous, therapeutic liquid which could repair the broken back if he took a bath in it. Yeah. Nolanverse logic.
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:57 p.m. CST
id like an alt audio track with bane's original voice
by jesus 2099
so i dont have to hear sean connery, brother
Oct. 2, 2012, 1:58 p.m. CST
According to Nolanverse logic, it is more realistic to have the hero magically
by Jack Black
paint a gigantic flaming bat-logo on a big bridge a few minutes before he goes to rescue some cops from a certain death, than have a notorious woman burglar addressed with her more familiar nickname because you know, Catwoman is such a stupid name to put in a such a *serious* comic-book movie. yeah, Nolan logic.
Oct. 2, 2012, 2:16 p.m. CST
by J-Dizzle
Its more of a visceral reaction to the constant Nolan trumpeting by Nolanites. Deep down they know the movies are awesome, but in true cynical geek fashion they refuse to admit to it (because then other Nolanites will come out of the woodwork and invade other talkbacks that have nothing to do with Nolan). All 3 of the Nolan Batman movies were fantastic, the vast majority of movie goers agree on that.
Oct. 2, 2012, 2:25 p.m. CST
j-dizzle : It's possible to like these movies but not think they're the greatest version of Batman.
by Playkins
That's the camp I'm in. Good movies, not so good Batman (save for Begins, which was 100% badass). TDK had it's good Batman moments and the Joker was chilling, but it just didnt feel like Batman. Too real world, too literal.
Oct. 2, 2012, 3:43 p.m. CST
Alt. audio track of Bane's voice
by Scott Sullivan
Oct. 2, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
To evilsmokemonster and everyone else complaining about all of the plot holes in the movie...
by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
I'm game for a good challenge, so here goes: a rebuttal to every argument you make against The Dark Knight Rises, point by point. Q: Gordon sends every cop in Gotham into the sewers, totally oblivious to the fact that sending EVERY cop into the sewers at once is probably not a good idea. A: Why did Churchill's second-in-command keep sending wave after wave of British troops to die in Galipoli when the Turks had machine guns? Because sometimes people in positions of power panic under pressure and make strategic mistakes. Even the second-in-command of Churchill or Batman. Q: Gordon seemingly carries this confession in his pocket at all times? Which conveniently Bane finds when he beats up Gordon? A: Gordon keeps the confession both as a symbol/constant reminder of his guilt, but also because he is constantly on the verge of revealing his confession. It may never happen, but he always wants to have the option handy for when he makes that decision, so that he doesn't have time to go home, get the confession out of a safe, drive back downtown, and have time to chicken out. In a way, it's kind of like how I never buy more than one pack of cigarettes at a time, even if there's a sale. I know I'm probably not going to quit that day, but I always want to have the option of quitting as soon as that pack is finished. Did that make sense? Q: Batman suddenly reappears in Gotham after having his spinal cord pushed back into his body with a kick to his back. I mean, here the man is, in a pit somewhere, his spine sticking out of his back, and some guy just kicks him and everything is OK? Then, Batman tries climbing up the pit wall, only to fall on multiple occasions, yet his spine is fixed each time with another kick to the back. I mean, if healing spinal injures were this easy, what's exactly the big deal? Oh, that's right, he's Batman and we should just accept it. What a great excuse to be a lazy writer. A: Never underestimate the power of alternative medicine in the right hands. I've never had my spine actually sticking out, but I've had severe disc-slippage and excrutiating pain, and a couple of snaps, crackles and pops from my chiropractor, and I feel like a kid again. Q: If Bane can't survive without his mask, how did he survive in the pit with a cloth wrapped around his head? A: Who said Bane can't survive without his mask? He can survive; he's just in excrutiating pain (kind of like me without a chiropractor). Q: Was referring to Joseph Gordon-Levitts characters real name, ROBIN, actually necessary? A: Necessary, no. Fan-pleasing (at least to some, including myself), yes. It left no reasonable room for doubt that JGL was not going to be Nightwing or some other such sidekick, but instead the real-deal Robin that many of us assumed could never exist in the Nolanverse. For me, anyway, that was extremely gratifying. Q: Why is it that Nolan can't kill off a villain in an iconic way? First movie, Ra's al Ghul dies in a train wreck. Kinda cool, but then the second movie The Joker doesn't die, and apparently Two-Face dies from a one story fall, breaking his neck. Third movie? Bane, the ultimate bad ass, dies not in an epic battle with Batman, but by Catwoman pulling up and shooting him in the chest, followed by a snappy one liner. Then there's Talia Ghul, who dies in a car wreck by another broken neck. A: By that token, was Darth Vader's death iconic? I mean, he died by getting his hand chopped off. Deeply symbolic, yes. Iconic, not so much. And, seriously, what exactly were you expecting, anyway? Did Bane need to swallow a grenade or something? Q: Batman is gone for like, five months, and then reappears in Gotham, goes to where he left The Batjet, and this entire time it's been on a roof top covered in a desert camo tarp. REALLY? No-one noticed that? A: I'm sure it showed up on Google Maps. But seriously, in a city the size of Gotham, there are bound to be some buildings where no one ever has any reason to go up to the roof. He just picked one of the less traficked, less conspicuous ones. Q: Batman's gone for eight years, his knee is all messed up, and magically it heals its self by putting on a brace. REALLY? All this time and all he had to do was put on a knee brace and it'd be OK? A: The brace didn't make his leg "okay;" it made it better. More importantly, it made the pain tolerable. And he only did it because Bane was a threat that only Batman could face. Otherwise, with no other serious criminals on the streets due to the Dent Act, he probably would have stayed in retirement. But this threat was obviously different. So Bruce Wayne sucked up the pain, got creative, and got out there, knowing he was still crippled, because if he didn't do it, who would? Q: If you follow the films timeline, Batman isn't some iconic legend. He's some dude running around in costume for a YEAR. Just a YEAR. How the fuck does the guy manage to become a legendary symbol in the span of a year? He didn't even DO anything. A: Many icons in pop culture were only truly famous, to the point that they were recognizable to the general public, for a couple of years, at most, before they died (Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, James Dean, Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, and ironically, Heath Ledger). A year is a long time in pop culture, especially if you die young and tragically. It almost lends itself to myth-building. Also, in classical Greek tragedies, tragic heroes were only prominent for perhaps 24 hours before they met their fate. So, even literarily, there is a precedent. Q: Doesn't anyone notice that Bruce Wayne goes into hiding, Batman disappears, Batman dies, Bruce Wayne dies? A: Again, in a city the size of Gotham, where hundreds of people die every day, most people would simply dismiss it as coincedence. Also, many historians throughout the years have believed that Jack the Ripper could have been Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence because the killings stopped almost immediately before Albert Victor's death. Yet, it took the general public (and historians) over half-a-century to examine the possibility that there might have been a connection. Also, many historians now believe that the man in the iron mask was D'Artagnan, but it took people a few centuries to figure that one out. Q: WTF was up with Gordon's buddy that just dies off screen? All this to do about the guy helping Gordon, and bam, he just falls down dead? A: Dude, how many war movies have you seen? Q: If Lucius Fox knows that this generator thing can go nuclear, why doesn't he just flood the chamber right then and there and save everyone? A: Because he still believes in the potential of the generator for constructive use (unless you're talking about when Bane orders Fox to give him the code in at gunpoint, in which case, Fox wouldn't flood the chamber at that point, surrounded by so many innocent [and important] people). He was obviously hoping, like everyone else, that there could be another solution, and that Batman would find it. Q: Also, how exactly is it that they can figure this thing explodes exactly in five months? A: How does a doctor figure out that a cancer patient has exactly five months to live? I don't know the answer to that one, either, but that's why doctors and scientists make the big bucks, and we don't. Q: I also love how Batman takes the time, with his nuclear weapon about to go off and an evil super villain running around, to make a perfect fire Batman symbol on a bridge. Not only is he a super hero billionaire, but he's also an arsonist. A: Is Batman an arsonist? Yes. He's also a killer, and in the eyes of many law-enforcement officials, a vigilante terrorist. But the things he does, no matter how seemingly unnecessary or random, strike fear into his enemies and give hope to his followers. This is no exception. Also, I'd like to address the whole "Batman wouldn't really quit for eight years because of a girl" argument. I thought that it was made perfectly clear that the reason for Batman "retiring" was multi-fold, the least important of which was Rachel Dawes. First, he was Public Enemy #1. Would he risk jail time to catch two-bit muggers when there was a very distinct possibility that so doing would cause him to be arrested or killed? If so, who would protect Gotham if a serious threat like Bane emerged? Secondly, he was physically battered. Many football greats retire when their bodies give out. Some may try to come out of retirement later, but they wouldn't be doing much good to anybody by staying in the game if their doctor told them that the next big hit might not only end their careers but their lives, as well. There comes a point where you are forced to do a costs/benefits analysis on a situation like this, and Batman decided that, with the Dane Act in full force, he would be better served as a reserve player in the fight against crime, called in only when truly necessary.
Oct. 2, 2012, 3:46 p.m. CST
The extremities of fandom are ludicrous
by Larry Sellers
Either you liked Avengers or you liked TDKR. Either you love Nolan or you hate Nolan. If you like Nolan, you're an idiot. If you hate Nolan, you're an idiot. For fuck's sake knock it off. As a life long Batman fan, I loved TDK and TDKR. (Begins didn't really do it for me. I still cringe at parts.) Batman '89 kinda nailed the grit/fantasy tone and The Animated Series followed suit. Hands down, BTAS was the best incarnation of the character. Bale's Batman was almost perfect. The films and universe surrounding him? A bit too grounded to really take off. But I still loved them. Not because I'm a Nolanite or whatever, but because they were entertaining and really damn earnest. Just like when I read an Elseworlds TPB, I was glad to have a fresh take on the characters. It was interesting, fun, and now it's time to move on to something different. Yeah, I wish the trilogy had embraced the fantasy side of Batman more, but my wishes and expectations aside (as they should be), I thought these were good movies.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:01 p.m. CST
the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
by Jack Black
get a fucking life before it is too late.
Oct. 2, 2012, 4:22 p.m. CST
by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
I've got a life, but I didn't work today, and I had about 20 minutes to kill and nothing better to do with it (you're never bored?). Plus, I'm sick to death of everyone complaining about the plot holes in DKR like they were any worse or more glaring than in any other tentpole summer movie, including the first two Nolan Batman films. What none of them will admit is that the real reason they hated the movie was that it was rough and gritty for the first two thirds of the film, but it resolved with a happy ending. What? A crime drama with a happy ending?!? And no massage parlors involved?!? But...but...you can't do that! Yes, you cynical bastards, Nolan tried to shine some light into your dark little worlds. Deal with it. So, I did my part to shut as much of that shit down as I could in 20 minutes. No regrets.
Oct. 2, 2012, 5:14 p.m. CST
TDKR wasn't a bad movie, but anyone who thinks it was better than Avengers or Burton's Batmans
by darthflagg
is living in a dreamworld of pixies and elves and compassionate Republicans. I like how all the Nolanites can say in response is "Well, Avengers had plot holes too" as if that excuses everything wrong with TDKR. Every movie has plot holes. TDKR had flaws much worse than any plot hole, especially how Batman himself was marginalized as a brief footnote in Gotham's history. The movie was enjoyable because Nolan is still a good director, but the "story" chosen to end the trilogy was so misguided that it will not be remembered as a classic no matter how many times you close your eyes and wish it to be so. Whereas Avengers will be remembered as one of the truest representations of a comic book on screen, ever.
Oct. 2, 2012, 6:26 p.m. CST
I really liked this film...
by Matches_Malone
Thought it was good fun, the most iconic baddy in ages, ending caught me out, soundtrack and performances were fantastic, and as the story unravelled I honestly had no idea what was going to happen next. Sure there are plot holes, like every great major blockbuster (e.g the Joker being omnipotent in the Dark Knight, the time paradox of Luke's training and the Falcon flying to Bespin in Empire) but does that stop them from being great movies? I can understand why people are angry at this film, Batman in the comics would be driven even further into the never ending battle over Rachel's death. But this was not a comic. It was a complete story with a beginning middle and end, rather than a franchise that farted and died a slow death (you know, like the last series of Batman films.) Also, when was the last time your saw a superhero film and genuinely thought that maybe not all the characters are going to make it out alive? ESPECIALLY the main character. Lovers of the film have just reason to love it. Haters of the film have just reason to hate it. No one's right, no one's wrong, it's all from your personal point of view. I'm not going to call anyone "Nolan's bitch", and I am not going to call anyone an "angry nerd virgin" purely for the fact I am not a cunt. You guys should take a look at the docbacks, over there everyone seems to treat each other with respect and engaging and often hilarious conversations start, as opposed to slagging matches. I'm not saying don't have a point of view, for surely that's the point of a talkback, I'm just saying if your going to hate on somebody or something, please make it witty or interesting, because it's fucking boring for the rest of us. Just a request from a humble talk backer. Love you guys xxx
Oct. 2, 2012, 7:17 p.m. CST
I was hoping they'd include a longer cut...
by Henry Fool
...because that movie just didn't have enough screen time. What's that, you say? You disagree? Reeeeally?
Oct. 2, 2012, 10:09 p.m. CST
This is the first Nolan film I didn't like.
by Rambowl
I loved Memento, Prestige, Inception, the first two Batman films, etc. But when I watch a Batman film, I want to see Batman doing what he does best, not lying down or injured most of the movie. "The cop "Robin" had more screen time than Batman. Bane was also a forgettable villian. Where was his serum to make him stronger? I admit the ending was great, but the middle almost put me to sleep. Nolan used the same formula he used in TDK. For example, at the beginning of both films, the villain does some sort of heist. The middle of the films, there is chaos in Gotham City. In the end, Batman stops the villians (this part is expected to be true). I'm not saying it was a horrible or bad film. It was just alright. Definitely not a masterpiece. It could have been so much more.
Oct. 2, 2012, 11:01 p.m. CST
@dophins..: It was not his spinal cord protruding out his back, it was his vertebra
by cgih8r
It is possible for someone to have a broken back and a displaced vertebra without compromising their athletic performance. It happens with young football players who take hits to their back. A small part of the vertebra is fractured and the segment will start to become displaced but it is typically pushed forwards and not backwards like with Bruce Wayne. It's called spondylolisthesis and while it can make the spine dangerously unstable, many people can live normal lives for years without ever knowing that they broke their backs. They just complain of back pain. So long story short, a broken back and protruding vertebra does not necessarily mean there has been damage to the spinal cord. If Batman had a damaged spinal cord they would have had to end the movie there or stretch his recovery over the course of a second trilogy.
Oct. 2, 2012, 11:20 p.m. CST
I don't think people know what a plot hole is
by arvind
a plot hole is a clear gap in logic. Most of the things people are saying aren't that. Aside from the knee brace and back problem(and i'm not a doctor, so I really don't know), I don't see too many plot holes. And those other 2 are debatable. Not knowing how he got into the city is not a plot hole. We see 3 military men sneak into the city. If they can do it so, can batman. Nobody finding The Bat isn't either. It is more than plausible that nobody went onto that roof. It is not an implausibility. They also did not send all the cops down into the stadium. You can see clearly Gordon working with other cops. As for it changing from night to day and vice versa, I think we can all safely assume a certain amount of time had passed. Also I find it funny when people who say this isn't the batman in the comics. I find it a fairly accurate representation. To say is he is not like he is in the comics is ludacris. I have been reading batman since I was a kid. Numerous writers have written him, and they are all different. They may have the same core(which I htink Nolans version does as well) but there are drastic changes. Dark Knight Returns, Year one, Arkham Asylum, Killing JOke, Grant Morrisons run, Neal Adams run, etc are all considered pretty great batman stories and runs. Those all have some pretty drastic differences. In fact Morrison has written Batman differently on numerous occasions(arkham asylum, JLA, Batman R.I.P). I'm not saying it's wrong to dislike this film. But to try and make plotholes out of nothing is ridiculous. Nobody points the fucking plotholes out in Godfather. Nobody questions how corleone gets back into america, or how I guy fucking sticks a horse head into someones bed. But if batman sneaks into america without a passport it's the most fucking blatant plothole ever. Every movie in the world has flaws, even the best of them(even kubrick movies, whose fans are even crazier than nolans). This movie is no exception, but it does not stop it from being a great film. At least in my opinion.
Oct. 2, 2012, 11:37 p.m. CST
by the dolphins are in the jacuzzi
Thank you for helping me with that last one. So, there's one more DKR "plot hole" disproved. And by the way, while I am a Nolan fan, I am also a Whedon fan, and I personally refuse to choose sides in this stupid "DKR vs. Avengers" argument. They were so vastly different in tone and character that it's like comparing Star Wars to the Godfather. Completely apples to oranges. But they both achieved their goals admirably and will both go down in history as great movies. So, they happened to both come out during the same summer. Does that mean that one has to "rule," while the other has to "suck?" What, are we in high school?
Oct. 3, 2012, 12:48 a.m. CST
by Raggles Wimpole
Do any of you people like anything that anybody does? You hate the movie if it sticks too close to the source material.... You hate it if it deviates too far away from what it was based on.... If it's too realistic or not over the top enough YOU FUCKING HATE EVERYTHING!!! Nothing that anyone does will ever please you or come within a fraction of an inch of reaching this plateau upon which you place everything that you hold sacred!!! Can't any of you just watch a movie & let go of your bullshit & hang-ups because there's not very many things left in this beyond-fucked-up world that we can enjoy anymore. Hey! Guess what?! I Liked The Avengers! FUCK YOU! I liked The Dark Knight Rises! Lick my balls!! And any other movie or song or TV show or book that I like that will be shat upon by a bunch of morons who find fault with something that has affected different people in different ways just because!! You berate & you spew your hatred all across these boards like you want these movies to fail so you can pour more salt on an already festering wound!! So you can hate & hate & hate all you want while I find enjoyment in things that piss you off.
Oct. 3, 2012, 12:59 a.m. CST
Colossalgoatfuck: good on you.
by Playkins
Like what you like and forget about it. You don't need to reassure yourself that everyone else is wrong in order to validate your own opinion. For what it's worth, I'm right there with you. However, just because someone might not think its the best interpretation of their favorite comic character doesn't meant they're going to hate on the film. Did I like DKR? Yeah, a lot. Am I anxious for WB to reboot and get another version? Yep. Do I think it can be done even better? You bet! I like movies, I like seeing new versions of the familiar, and I'm hoping the next incarnation of Batman in the theaters can be even closer to TAS (my personal gold standard of good Batman). Bring it on!
Oct. 3, 2012, 4:33 a.m. CST
Hilarious to see a shot at Jackson
by krylite
by some post saying he doesn't cast black people. When in a losing argument that TDKR actually fell far short, they take a pre-emptive strike on PJ and the Hobbit which is going to be best movie in a decade just like LOTR were the best genre movies since ESB and made everyone scramble to stop making shit movies, haha! The books state the black people were all in the south. there are extra stories about them which Newline doesn't have the rights to, so bug the Tolkien estate about that instead. LOTR and Hobbit takes place in the north just like Northern Europe.
Oct. 3, 2012, 6:35 a.m. CST
AVENGERS was not perfect at a
by Autodidact
Oct. 3, 2012, 6:39 a.m. CST
.. At all. People seem to be in denial that the first half hour is completely boring
by Autodidact
And not everyone finds every line Joss Whedon assigns characters to be hilarious. Avengers is a decent flick but come on... The tesseract, Agent Coulson... Was so bored by that shit.
Oct. 3, 2012, 7:57 a.m. CST
Nolan's movies are the best there is, the best a movie could ever offer
by dioxholsters_scion
so underrated, I dont know why. in a short time he already topped the berg, and the greats from the past, honestly i have no idea what other filmmaker is good as Nolan. Im just happy to be alive at at a time when the best filmmaker ever is doing his craft.
Oct. 3, 2012, 7:58 a.m. CST
I slept during Avengers
by dioxholsters_scion
I think i missed some parts. it wasnt really sleeping as more like thinking that the darkness provided by my eyelids is better visual than that stinking mess on the screen
Oct. 3, 2012, 8 a.m. CST
yeah kill agent coulson lol
by dioxholsters_scion
you dont kill the r2d2 of the movie, you idiot. thats not drama. what a hack that tv guy is
Oct. 3, 2012, 8:19 a.m. CST
im not sure if avengers could be classified as a movie
by dioxholsters_scion
its like one big extended superbowel ad for children.
Oct. 3, 2012, 8:55 a.m. CST
dolphins, I don't have a problem with a happy ending, I have a problem with a subtext that basically says that the poor unwashed masses would be lost and exist in chaos if it weren't for thier rich savior
by SergeantStedenko
Bruce Wayne is very similar to Henry Galt in Atlas shrugged. All of Selina's throw away lines about class warfare. The OWS-esque attack on the stock market. And in the end Nolan's message is that the people cannot be left to their own devices, that movements like OWS are dangerous and would only lead to anarchy and that the people need their rich leaders protecting them and keeping them in line. I really wonder if Nolan is an acolyte of Ayn Rand.
Oct. 3, 2012, 9:58 a.m. CST
dolphins are in the Jacuzzi for the win
by sonnyhooper
Awesome post. But I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears. The vocal minority that hates TDKR has their agenda and wont ever let it go. People who insist on making this summer all about TDKR vs. The Avengers are in dire need of a blow job.
Oct. 3, 2012, 6:29 p.m. CST
Saluteyourshots, et al: No, Harry did not say it best
by Kremzeek
I stopped reading Harry's ludicrous TDKR review when he said (paraphrasing): I'm a lifelong Batman fan! And Batman would NEVER go into hiding or stop being Batman! Um... hmm, you're a hardcore, lifelong Bats fan--but you think he would never go into hiding, eh? Ever heard of a little graphic novel called "The Dark Knight Returns"? Ever heard of a cartoon called "Batman Beyond"? In both those stories Batman has given up the cowl for a certain period of time and then comes back as a disgruntled, angry, depressed person. And those are just the first 2 stories that come to mind. There are *plenty* of other ones around. Bruce Wayne is a dark, depressed, lonely person a lot of the times. He's got his playboy persona too, sure, but he's got that dark side too--and it's the driving force (in most versions of Batman) that keeps him going as Bats. So, no, Harry did not get it right. He doesn't even understand the character, apparently.
Oct. 3, 2012, 10:13 p.m. CST
i dont think it can get better than this
by dioxholsters_scion
I dont see how another filmmaker can ever top this. this is the definitive batman, and best superhero movie if you want to call it that, i personally think this is the best non-comic book superhero oscar worthy movie, because comics suck and what we have here is all Nolan's work.
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