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The idea that by simply nodding our heads and smugly lining up behind "alternative" producers, consumers can flip a switch and drastically shift the dynamics of food production, without regard for labor costs (and availability), land use, access to capital and marketing constraints is the height of delusion.
Don't get me wrong: I agree with a lot of the ideas spotlighted in FRESH. We need to address the loss of agricultural diversity. We need to expand alternative markets and niche products if the next generation of farmers is to gain access to the profession. And we certainly need to restructure federal farm support to promote those goals, instead of focusing almost exclusively on commodity crops.
But if a college education is supposed to turn adolescents into intelligent, perceptive adults capable of understanding of complex issues beyond mere platitudes and talking points, the class session I attended would have to be graded F.
The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Dan Murphy, a veteran food-industry journalist and commentator.
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The root of this misinformation campaign lies with the college instructors -- mostly impractical over-privileged over-sheltered over-paid evangelists with all the easy answers to theatrically hysterical contrived "problems". But why must they attack our successful agriculture, try to ban and regulate proven modern methods out of existence when, if their simple medieval solutions were worth anything, they could simply set up working Renaissance-Faire farms in their own image and promptly compete us all out of business? The back-assward subsistence farming techniques these fools advocate are inadequate even for serious hobbyists, unsustainable except for trust-fund recipients and royalty like Prince Charles. The methods they espouse constitute a colossal waste of time, effort and real estate to produce practically nothing. If their hidden agenda is to produce little or nothing why not simply return to the good old days of government boondoggle set-asides and direct payments to limit food production? It would make about as much sense (none) and would sure save a lot of fruitless stoop labor nurturing diverse weeds and righteous bugs among the scattering of gourds and struggling heirloom tomato plants.
I find this rather sad, but not uncommon. I am Chair of the Animal Science Department at our institution and I am in the midst of a controversy here regarding a class taught in our English department which explores human-animal interactions through literature. That is a great topic, but the instructor is totally anti-animal agriculture and presents a largely one-sided viewpoint. Our majors who have taken the course recognize the inaccuracies and out-right lies promulgated by the instructor, but most of the students are just taking it all at face value. I also teach a course called "Sustainable Animal Agriculture". If I were to use the documentary mentioned in this article (and I might), I can assure everyone that the discussion following would take a much different and more thoughtful path.
Unfortunately the academicians portrayed here are the same type of individuals who populate Washington D.C. They: -have an agenda, - they are unelected (read: career employees) - they have been in business of training our teachers for generations. (Read "Slouching Towards Gomorrah" Robert Bork)
I worked for USDA for five years and a land grant university for 24. I lived in third world countries for over 5 years. I have spent many hours, teaching, being on panels, and communicating with legislators, students and the general public about the food supply. Many of the observations made in this article are indeed true and I could add a hole litany of misconception that people have of food systems around the globe. I could also provide a litany of fallacies in Pollan's arguments as I have been forced to watch these films too many times. The problems with people's perception of reality is that they come from beliefs that have been formed by supposition and innuendo rather than hard fact. More problematic is that even faced with hard scientific evidence their beliefs are unchanged. The only sure fire method for changing beliefs is to enable people to live as their beliefs dictate - they soon discover the fallacies. I have been taking students to Africa for decades and there, the reality hits and their beliefs topple with respect to agriculture, energy and water. I am a firm advocate for learning by doing - let those with strong conviction put those to practice.
And everyone wonders where our crop of "Low-Information" voters comes from? A truly "liberal" education has been murdered by our Public Education Professionals who now teach students WHAT to Think, not How to Think. Propaganda is what's being offered and a great way to show these students would be to have them watch "Triumph of the Will" & "Birth of a Nation", with no intro or explanation, next to these types of films. Then ask them to compare and contrast their methods of communicating a "belief system" and "message". Even the most ignorant and heavily indoctrinated will immediately, instinctually recognize what they're being "handed" by pop-culture media and its toadies in academe, politics and the press. Thank you Mr. Murphy for taking time to experience first-hand, the abuse our "leaders of tomorrow" receive, at the hands of our Ed Pros, in our Tax Supported "Institutions".
I appreciate the points Dan raises in his article and he has done himself and the rest of use a service in acknowledging that some of the issues raised deserve serious consideration. I also am pleased to hear the opinion from Gary who expresses a balanced view that is the NORM in universities. However, some of the other opinions are distressing, if not downright abusive, in their anti-higher education perspective. OF COURSE there are instructors like those cited who are not fully informed or have a strong opinion on the topic, but most are far more measured and thoughtful. That is the purpose of a higher education and most professors try their best to be balanced. To whitewash the entire profession as "liberal" nonsense (as if "liberal" was all we need to say to mean anything) is the height of misinformation and frankly, arrogance. Dialogue is never possible under those views, and if you don't agree with the perspective taught in SOME classes, you have the right to challenge that, as do the students (many of whom do, by the way - don't dismiss an entire generation either). In the case of this particular issue, the best approach is not to dismiss such people as disseminating "propaganda" but to respectfully differ, accept some of their arguments might have merit, and to engage them in a civil conversation. While Dan does so in his actions, the article he writes does inspire overreactions. Too bad, because the issues are far too important to be left to diatribes, by all sides.
I attend college activities all the time. I am treated well, even though I am old enough to be the grandparent of many of the students. I always speak my mind, often holding to a contrary position. I hope you did the same.
That is encouraging. "Sustainable" is a very broad term and requires complex explanations. It's not about "organic good, conventional bad," as some (not all) instructors and activists preach. Like a lot of other issues (energy, food production, nutrition, etc.), there's no easy answers, no silver bullet, and certainly no let's blow up the current system and replace it with something (allegedly) more benign.
Thanks for the kind words, Robert -- at least some of them. If I had had the chance to engage in dialogue with the instructor and/or the students in the class I attended (I deliberately went as an observer), I would have been more diplomatic than I ever am in print. The issues of land use, labor, and market access -- to name a few -- impact the notion of somehow switching wholesale to "alternative" methods of food production. But those are never mentioned in documentaries such as FRESH, unless it's to condemn government, Big Food or corporate farmers. The real culprit in the classroom situation I reported on is not the instructor -- who has strong opinions but is not unintelligent -- but the free reign activists have to produce slanted propaganda that demonizes animal agriculture without ever accurately assessing its benefits, nor honestly confronting the NEW challenges that switching to alternative agriculture would entail. There's your problem.
Taking anything from Robert Bork seriously will make you just as dumb as those college kids.
Outstanding. So well said. Thank you.
Thank you, Dan Murphy, for bridging the college classroom content to this magazine's audience. You have outlined the challenges all of us in animal agriculture face: not only the ag illiteracy of students and instructors, but also, and most likely the root cause, science illiteracy as well. Colleges should be the place where evidence is brought to bear on all issues, open discussion is inherent in learning and dogma is challenged. The instructors are responsible for creating this learning environment and getting their students to find their own answers based on the evidence.
Dan, were you sitting in on Marion Nestle's class over at NYU? Sounds like it. How does NYU justify housing her among the sciences? It is a shame these so-called professors are permitted to blow off scientific rigor and stoop to evangelizing for the anti-ag industry. Heck, they even sell books for profit, as if their salaries from big universities aren't enough. What a shameful hateful racket. Just sickening.
I went to college back in the early seventies, back when my father called me a "budding communist". I majored in animal science and biology and many of my professors even back then were extremely liberal and out of touch with reality. Not so much in the school of agriculture but in the liberal arts kind of classes. The good news is that with actual job experience and foreign travel I learned to take a more balanced approach to every thing. I would encourage people to question every thing, and to investigate claims and propaganda no matter who is putting it out there. Question your teachers, politicians, news media, etc.. Find out who is funding organizations that ask for your money and support. Use your brains people!
All of this concern and yet more and more students are signing up for food stamps. It would be interesting to see what goes into their shopping carts. Same for the Professors and instructors. While there is currently a great deal of rhetoric the purchases tell the story. One of the ultimate ironies is that the majority of Organic produce in stores today comes from large farming operations that grow, process, and pack it. The food activist mentality is a lot easier to espouse when you're not hungry.
Apparently you do not know who Robert Bork is or you would have never made that statement Jen. I think we need an open dialogue and that is sure a sad way of continuing it.
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Incumbents David H. Smith and Jim Gobbel, as well as challenger Mike Boone filed for election.
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Incumbent Keith Deal filed for re-election in the Faith aldermen race.
Deal is the only candidate to file in that race. All five seats, including the mayoral seat, are up for grabs.
Gerald Osborne, a challenger from Cleveland, filed for the town's commissioners board.
Osborne will face incumbent Travis Summitt and challenger Richard L. Taylor.


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IAEA Copper Seal (Photo credit: International Atomic Energy Agency)
A crucial part of the mission of NNSA's Office of Nonproliferation and International Security (NIS) is to support the development of cutting-edge nuclear safeguards technologies, a necessary component of the International Atomic Energy Agency's (IAEA) ability to verify of countries' declarations about nuclear material and their related activities . The IAEA works to increase international confidence in compliance with the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, which President Obama has referred to as, "the cornerstone of the world's efforts to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons."
Recently, the IAEA organized a workshop on Sealing, Containment and Authentication Technologies, held in Vienna, Austria from November 9-11, 2011. The workshop's goal was to identify technologies that could be used in nuclear facilities to monitor doors and gates guarding nuclear material and activities, protect cabinets and equipment from unauthorized access, perform remote monitoring and tamper detection, and track container shipments worldwide. A photo of an existing IAEA seal technology is shown here.
The workshop hosted a team of independent and international experts to identify developing and existing commercial products that may be valuable to meet these challenges. DOE national laboratories, with support from NIS and the U.S. Support Program for IAEA Safeguards, participated and provided technology concepts and expert reviewers for the workshop. The review team selected several promising technologies for the IAEA's consideration for further testing and evaluation.
Through this and other efforts, NIS is applying its unique technical and policy expertise to achieve the President's vision of reducing nuclear dangers and creating a world without nuclear weapons.
The Association of University Research Parks presented its 2011 Innovation Award to the small, minority-owned business TEAM Technologies Inc. of Albuquerque, N.M., for commercialization of a Sandia National Laboratories technology that uses water to disable improvised explosive devices.
The technology — TEAM licensed it as "Stingray" — was invented by Steve Todd and Juan Carlos Jakaboski, both Sandia employees, and Chance Hughs, a former Sandia employee. The device, which shoots a thin blade of water capable of penetrating steel, is placed near a suspected bomb or package and shreds or punches a hole in it before it detonates.
The device is small enough to be carried in a soldier's backpack and rugged enough to be placed by a robot. The licensing agreement between Sandia and TEAM, which is located in the Sandia Science & Technology Park, allowed the business to advance the device's design and bring it to market.
AURP said the Stingray is a dramatic improvement in water disruption tool technology, and is already being used in warzones by the military against IEDs placed where they can kill or maim troops. TEAM manufactured and shipped more than 8,000 of the units to Afghanistan and 2,000 to U.S. government and law enforcement agencies. The company credits its location in the Sandia Science & Technology Park with helping it collaborate with Sandia and grow as a business.
The 16th Annual AURP Awards of Excellence, presented Dec. 1 in New Orleans, recognize the achievements of outstanding research parks and industry veterans and encourages the development of best practices among research and science parks.
A part of NNSA's Small Business Week, today's profile highlights Delta Research Associates, Inc., a Service Disabled Veteran Owned Small Business, is a federal government contractor located in Alexandria, Va, Since 1988, DRA has provided management, organizational, administrative and analytical support to federal agencies. DRA's management has an average of more than 30 years of experience supporting federal organizations. DRA has more than 100 employees who support services in locations throughout the Continental U.S.
DRA has provided policy support, performance plans, and job descriptions for federal staff both at Albuquerque and at NNSA headquarters. DRA also supports the DOE Office of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, enabling DRA to be cited by the Federal Times as one of the top fifty intelligence services contractors to the federal government.
One customer of DRA said, "Services provided by DRA staff meet specifications and measures up to commonly accepted technical and professional standards. Very little government technical direction is required to solve problems that arise during performance. On-site support provided outstanding support to ensure success of monthly HQ AFP."
For more information about DRA see: http://www.drahq.com/
A part of NNSA's Small Business Week, today's profile highlights Vector Resources, Inc. (VRI), a woman-owned small business, which provides NNSA with project management, engineering, quality and safety services, performance assurance, and business process improvement across the full spectrum of DOE mission areas including energy, defense programs, science, security, and environmental management.
Vector has extensive experience in the assessment of nuclear projects for quality, regulatory and safety compliance, and cost and schedule performance. Vector has worked closely with NNSA and its sites in addressing the technical and management aspects of several nuclear weapon and environmental related projects as well as the stockpile stewardship and defense science programs and campaigns. Vector has also performed work involving enterprise management and integration; project and construction management; portfolio analysis; programming, planning, budgeting, and evaluation (PPBE) process; governance transformation; line oversight; contractor assurance systems; and performance measurement systems. In addition to NNSA, VRI has supported various other DOE offices and programs including Science, Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy, Civilian Radioactive Waste Management, Environmental Management, and Management and Administration at Headquarters and field locations.
"We are proud of our contributions to NNSA mission success including performance assurance, workforce development, science and technology advancement, improvement in quality assurance and nuclear safety, improvement in program and project management, resource optimization and cost savings, and facilitation of enterprise performance," said, Stephanie Weisband, President/CEO of Vector Resources, Inc.
For additional information about VRI see: www.vector-resources.com
NNSA announced Monday that it distributed more than $362 million in small business obligations for federal prime contracts in fiscal year 2011. NNSA surpassed its departmental small business goal by 27 percent in fiscal year 2011.
To highlight the success of its small business program, NNSA has launched the third annual "NNSA Small Business Week." This week, NNSA is featuring a different small business of the day on the NNSA Blog.
Today's profile highlights Container Technologies Industries, LLC (CTI), a Small business located in Helenwood, Tenn. Since December 1999, CTI has provided the nuclear industry with many types of products, including containers for the storage, transport, and disposal nuclear waste.
CTI has supplied Y-12 with shipping containers for the past three years and have supplied Y-12 in excess of 1670 containers with no rejections for quality issues.
"B&W Y-12 treats small business as an important partner. CTI is fortunate to have a long standing relationship with Y-12," said Steve Fielden, president and chief operating officer of CTI.
For more information about CTI see: http://www.containertechnologies.com/
David Young, NNSA's Deputy Exercise Program Manager in the Office of Emergency Response today received the 2011 Linton F. Brooks Medal for Dedication to Public Service.
As a leader of the Nuclear Incident Team at NNSA, Young successfully coordinated the activities of deployed NNSA response teams during 125 Preventative Radiological/Nuclear Detection missions including 48 real-world responses to international, federal, state and local requests for assistance. He is specifically acknowledged for providing exemplary leadership and technical acumen during the response to the emergency at the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plants.
As part of the Operations and Exercise Program, Young was a key member of the planning teams responsible for the successful planning, execution, and evaluation of the DOE/NNSA-led national level exercises Diablo Bravo 2008 and Empire 2009, in addition to the numerous recurring interagency national level exercises, such as Marble Challenges, Nuclear Weapons Accident-Incident Exercises, and the DHS-coordinated National Level Exercises.
The award recognizes newer employees whose actions and deeds exemplify the spirit of public service commitment. Nominees for the Linton Brooks Medal for Public Service must be NNSA employees, with fewer than five years of civilian federal service and fewer than five years of professional experience, whose work achievements demonstrate an exceptional commitment to public service excellence.
NNSA distributed more than $362 million in small business obligations for federal prime contracts in fiscal year 2011 and surpassed its departmental small business goal by 27 percent.
To highlight the success of its small business program, NNSA has launched the third annual "NNSA Small Business Week." This week, NNSA is featuring a different small business of the day on the NNSA Blog.
Today's profile highlights Contractor Name: Meyer Tool and Manufacturing, Inc., specialists in cryogenic, vacuum and pressure technologies. Meyer Tool provides a suite of services including engineering, process development and vertically integrated manufacturing. Meyer Tool's components are installed in the world's most powerful laser, the two most powerful particle accelerators, most powerful neutron source, at the South Pole, in advanced photon sources, in solar cell production lines, semiconductor production lines and other harsh and demanding environments.
Since 1998 Meyer Tool has been a key supplier to the NNSA's National Ignition Facility (NIF). The majority of the contracts have been for large stainless steel or aluminum vacuum vessels requiring extensive post weld machining to tight tolerances and precision cleanliness levels appropriate to components for the world's most powerful laser.
"Everyone at Meyer Tool is extremely proud to have contributed to the success of the National Ignition Facility and the important scientific and national stockpile stewardship programs being performed by the completed machine," said Ed Bonnema, vice president of operations of Meyer Tool. "For more than a decade Meyer Tool has maintained a collaborative relationship with the engineering and procurement staff at NIF. Meeting the challenges of fabricating the unique and difficult components for the NIF program expanded our capabilities and required us to develop new processes. We have been able to utilize these experiences as part of our objective to achieve the Lowest Total Cost of Ownership for all our customers."
For more information about Meyer Tool and Manufacturing, see: www.mtm-inc.com.
A pair of Pantexans hit the road today in an effort to help stamp out hunger in the Texas Panhandle.
Byron Logan and Randy Stokes, officers in Pantex's Safeguards & Security Division at Pantex, ran 30 miles today from Pantex to the High Plains Food Bank's food drive, which is being hosted at Market Street United, in an effort to gather donations for families in need during this holiday season. The two gathered donations at Pantex and picked up items along the route in the hopes of filling a Bearcat armored vehicle with food items.
Stokes and Logan were joined for portions of the route by fellow Pantexans during the run. They collected donations along the route. They were followed by a Bearcat, which is an armored vehicle used by Security Police Officers at Pantex.
Pantexans donated approximately 1,500 pounds of food and $500.
Be a Superhero! Join the NNSA and DOE team as we strive to raise $1.1 million for Combined Federal Campaign 2014 @CFC #myCFC


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3-day Culinary Learning Vacation - Essential Skills
Make your visit to the Napa Valley a gourmet experience to remember. This 3-day Culinary Vacation teaches foundational skills including various cooking techniques, knife skills, stocks and more. Students will make stock which is used as a base for other recipes and sauces. Menus are seasonally based and incorporate a variety of cuisines. The classes are tailored to each participant's level and whatever your level you will leave with new skills and knowledge.
The small class size (max 8) ensures that you receive personalized instruction. Fee includes hands-on instruction, logo apron, detailed reference manual with recipes, meals prepared by class served with wine/beverage. Lodging is additional and is available at CasaLana B&B also.
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Wednesday, 06 February, 2013
Cost:$650 per person
Calistoga, CA 94515
Phone: 877-968-2665
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Event Contact Info:Lana Richardson
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LElTER REPORT DOUGLAS R. NORTON, CPA
November 1994 Letter Report No. 94- L9
Members of the Arizona Legislature
The Honorable Fife Symington, Governor
Dr. Linda J. Blessing, Director
Department of Economic Security
SUBJECT: Follow- up Study of the Auditor General's
1991 Workload Study of Child Protective Services
Pursuant to a May 5, 1993, resolution of the Joint Legislative Audit Committee ( JLAC),
our Office was directed to conduct a review of the Department of Economic Security,
Division of Children and Family Services. However, since the date of the JLAC
resolution, DES has initiated several extensive reviews withn the Division. In addition,
the Joint Legislative Committee on Children and Family Services has been studying
issues in the area. To avoid duplicating this work, we reviewed the DES initiatives and
met with the members of the Joint Legislative Committee on Children and Family
Services. We then met with the Chairman of JLAC to review the information we had
gathered and discuss audit scope. Based on that discussion, we were directed to
postpone a full audit of the Division at this time and instead: 1) conduct a follow- up
study on our 1991 report on Child Protective Services ( Auditor General Report Number
91- 6); and, 2) document the current status of the Division for comparative purposes
when we conduct a comprehensive audit to be conducted following completion of the
DES studies.
In 1991, we identified significant limitations in the Division's ability to determine Child
Protective Service's staffing needs. Problems included a lack of accurate and reliable
workload data and the need for a management information system. Although many
problems from the previous audit have not yet been resolved, DES currently is
undertaking several initiatives which, if successful, should address many of our
previous concerns.
The Division of Children and Family Services is comprised of three programs:
Administration for Children, Youth and Families ( ACYF), Child Care Administration,
and Comprehensive Medical and Dental Plan. ACYF employs the majority of the
Division's approximately 1,270 employees. This report focuses on ACYF, the major
functions of which include: Child Protective Services ( CPS), In- Home Services ( parent
skills training, intensive family preservation, counseling, etc.), permanency planning,
adoption subsidy services, and foster home recruitment, training, and licensing. A
majority of ACYF's employees ( 685 out of 1,040), provide child protective services for
over 4,000 children currently in out- of- home placement.
Previous Report Found
Significant Problems
In 1990, the Auditor General was requested to conduct an audit of CPS staff caseload
size due to concerns about the lack of information concerning the number of staff and
funding needed to investigate 100 percent of CPS reports deemed appropriate for
investigation. The audit, ' Workload Study - Child Protective Services," issued in June
1991, examined the number and type of CPS reports received, caseload size and mix,
and staffing ratios. However, several significant limitations were noted that impacted
the audit team's ability to estimate long- term staffing needs for investigating all
appropriate reports:
Inconsistencies in how supervisors categorized reports as " appropriate for
investigation but not investigated or as " information only" made it difficult to
assess the potential CPS caseload.
ACYF lacked precise information about the amount of staff time actually spent
providing child protective services.
The lack of widely accepted staffing criteria made it difficult to determine an
optimum staffing level.
The study recommended that ACYF continue its efforts to develop a management
information system that provides accurate, reliable data on child protective service
activities and use that system to develop and analyze options for staffing CPS
functions. In addition, it was recommended that the Legislature consider establishng
appropriate staffing standards based on the information provided by ACYF.
Problems Identified In
Previous Audit Continue
Many of the problems identified previously have still not been resolved. ACYF
continues to lack a comprehensive management information system that addresses all
aspects of child welfare services. As such, ACYF has been unable to gather the essential
data necessary to continually assess staffing patterns and needs.
Automation - ACYF's current automated systems lack comprehensive management
information system capabilities. ACYF has two primary systems: the Child Protective
Services Central Registry ( CPSCR), brought on- line in 1985 to register all reports of
child abuse and neglect; and the Arizona Social Services Information and Statistical
Tracking System ( ASSISTS), introduced in 1991, whch was intended to provide better
management information about child protective services. However, a recent consultant
review found that ACYF lacked automated support for the majority of its critical
business processes ( child intake, service provision, adoption, and provider
management). Significant shortcomings identified by the consultants include redundant
data entry, increased paperwork, and lack of on- demand and ad hoc reporting
During our review, we found that many of the information system problems identified
in the last audit still exist. For example, CPSCR cannot combine duplicate reports about
the same incident, does not track information pertaining to a case after the initial
investigation, and suffers from data inaccuracy due to classification problems and
inconsistent coding.
In addition, ASSISTS currently operates as a " skeleton," lacking many of its originally
intended modules. For instance, ACYF cannot determine its true client population
because information on children in the homes of relatives or those receiving in- home
services is not maintained on ASSISTS. In addition, because not all data fields are
mandated for data input, the accuracy of information maintained on ASSISTS is
Several DES staff attribute the incomplete implementation of ASSISTS to a lack of
funding. ACYF received a special appropriation of approximately $ 1 million for
ASSISTS in fiscal year 1991 for staff, hardware, and other operating expenses.
Approximately two- thirds of that funding was staffing related ( ACYF requested 30
Information Processing Specialists to facilitate data input and four programmers).
However, according to a DES budget official, due to a hiring freeze at the time, ACYF
was unable to hire many of the Information Processing Specialists it had requested.
Thus, ASSISTS funding was identified as surplus and was reverted back to the State
in response to a budget reduction measure. Therefore, only $ 215,300 was expended for
system development. While DES did make a subsequent funding request in fiscal year
1992 ($ 500,100 for additional system modification), it was not funded.
However, other DES staff also attribute ASSISTS current status to low priority given
it by previous administrations. With lack of constancy in leadership and other pressing
needs, ASSISTS never received the administrative support necessary for complete
Staffing - ACYF is unable to determine its staffing patterns and needs because it does
not have the information to accurately assess its workload.
When an incident of child abuse or neglect is reported, CPS staff screen the report to
determine if it is within their jurisdiction. If the reporting source provides two basic
pieces of information - they believe somethng has happened to a child and they have
information on how to find the child - a report is taken. CPS staff then categorize the
report as " information only" ( a report that can be handled without CPS involvement
or a case lacking sufficient information for CPS to investigate), or " appropriate for
investigation." A report determined " appropriate for investigation1' is ranked based on
its potential seriousness. Currently, ACYF uses four priority categories, ranging from
" life- threatening or emergency situation" to " substandard care that could be damaging."
In order for ACYF to identify its staffing needs, it requires accurate data on its
workload and the complexity of its cases, as well as a staffing model:
Workload - Workload is based on the number of reports deemed appropriate for
investigation. Currently, each district receives and categorizes its own CPS reports;
however, there are inconsistencies between districts in how reports are categorized.
For example, an internal evaluation of the CPS intake process conducted in 1993
found that of the 824 reports reviewed, 14 percent did not meet the requirements
of a CPS report.(') Moreover, some reports containing no allegations of
maltreatment were assigned for investigation. Other reports were improperly
labeled as " information only" reports ( some were actually " appropriate for
investigation," while others should not have been taken as reports).
A second report on the intake process, completed in March 1994, cited problems
with inconsistent screening and prioritization of reports and frequent misuse of the
" information only" disposition. Consequently, current report counts and
investigation rates may be misleading. For example, the Department reports that
it investigates approximately 92 percent of all reports deemed " appropriate for
investigation." However, this figure does not reflect reports which should be
investigated, but are not, because they are misclassified as " information only."
Caseload Complexity - To determine maximum caseload size, ACYF must
establish workload standards that incorporate factors impacting caseload
complexity. Until recently, ACYF had not taken steps to assess the relative amount
of time each caseworker's caseload requires. As noted in our previous report,
( I) This review consisted of an evaluation of 824 CPS reports made statewide in October 1991.
several factors may contribute to making one case more difficult to manage than
another. For example, one case may consist of only one chld, while another may
consist of several children. Furthermore, cases involving the courts reportedly
require more time because of mandatory court appearances, coordination with
parties, and necessary paperwork. Finally, case plans, such as return home,
adoption, and long- term foster care require varying amounts of time to handle.
Therefore, two caseworkers with the same caseload size may have a considerably
different workload.
Caseload/ Workload Model - Lacking its own caseload standards, ACYF has relied
on standards developed by the Child Welfare League of America ( CWLA) as a
basis for staffing requests.(') CWLA standards are based upon a consensus of what
constitutes best practice and are presented withn the context of other
recommended standards for staff qualifications and training, supervision,
management support, etc. While CWLA standards provide some general guidance
for determining staffing needs, ACYF has never adjusted these standards to reflect
the factors impacting its own caseworkers.
Without accurate and reliable caseload and workload information, it is difficult to
determine what impact the additional 118 positions appropriated since fiscal year 1991
have had on ACYF's ability to investigate 100 percent of " appropriate for investigation"
Current Initiatives, If Successful,
Should Address Problems
Recently, ACYF has undertaken a " comprehensive network of projects that will result
in an overhaul of all areas of the Division." These projects include information systems
improvement, a review of programmatic issues ranging from casework practices to
policies and procedures, strengthening administrative practices, an internal evaluation
of the CPS intake process, and a plan to obtain more federal revenue and contain the
costs of state- funded programs. These initiatives, if successful, should address many of
the concerns raised in our previous audit:
Comprehensive Statewide Automated Child Welfare Information System - The
goal of this project is to develop a system which encompasses all aspects of child
welfare activities, such as intake management, eligibility determination, case
management, resource management, court processing, financial management,
' The CWLA suggests that caseworkers conducting intake investigations carry no more than 12 cases
and that ongoing caseworkers carry no more than 17 cases per month.
administration, and system interfaces. This system will increase ACYF's ability to
respond effectively to questions regarding the operation and outcome
measurements of its programs.
DES is currently in the planning phase of this three year project. System
implementation is scheduled to begin in May 1996 and completed by October 1997.
The overall cost of the project is estimated at $ 13.8 million. DES will receive federal
enhanced funding at a rate of 75 percent until September 30, 1996. However, the
project is slightly behind schedule, which could impact DES' ability to cover project
costs with the enhanced federal funding. Beginning October 1,1996, federal funding
reverts back to the regular rate of 50 percent for automation projects.
Programmatic Review - Commonly referred to as " Program Redesign", this
initiative is expected to improve the outcomes achieved for children and families
served by ACYF through a systematic and comprehensive analysis of program
operations including children and families served; legal proceedings; services and
budget analysis; results and outcomes; personnel and training; and policies and
procedures. As part of Program Redesign, a comprehensive time study was
conducted to provide information on workload and caseload complexity and the
results of the study will be used by ACYF to develop a case weighting system for
the allocation of staff.
The review and analysis phase of this project is nearing completion. The
implementation phase will begin in January 1995 and is expected to be completed
by January 1996. DES contracted with the National Child Welfare Resource Center
to conduct tlus study at a cost not to exceed $ 971,522.
Effective Quality Unified Intake Process Team, or EQUIPT - A detailed analysis
of the CPS intake process was completed in March, 1994. It resulted in a total of
eight recommendations including eliminating manual tracking of CPS reports,
improving interfaces with the Attorney General's Office, consolidating and
streamlining CPS investigation forms, improving the case closure process, and
eliminating the duplication of services already provided with federal funding. The
most significant recommendation suggests a centralized intake process, which
should address consistency in report screening and prioritization. ACYF has
developed a new statewide priority system for categorizing reports of abuse and
neglect and cue questions for intake workers that, according to DES
administrators, will guarantee the same questions are asked on every call received
DES has begun a phased- in implementation of the centralized intake
recommendation in two of the six districts. Statewide implementation is expected
by December 1995. The remaining recommendations are in various stages of
implementation, scheduled to be completed by May 1995.
Much of this project was conducted in- house with some facilitation and technical
assistance from the Office for Excellence in Government. In addition, DES received
consulting assistance from Ernst & Young at a cost of $ 93,000.
Management Control Review - This project was undertaken to strengthen
administrative processes such as current operating practices and controls, including
budgeting, service procurement, claims processing, and accounting; management
policies, procedures and practices; district oversight, reporting and accountability
processes; quality assurance; and, organizational design and capacity.
DES expects completion of this review by March 1995. DES contracted with Deloitte
& Touche to conduct tlus study at a cost not to exceed $ 1,119,044.
Revenue Maximization - This initiative is designed to identify areas and
programs within DES where it can increase its entitlement to additional revenues
from federal funding sources. The initial phase of the project has been limited to
Title IV- E and the Emergency Assistance program within Title W- A. DES projects
that it will receive an additional $ 5 to $ 8 million in federal revenues from ths
project in fiscal year 1995, increasing to $ 8 to $ 12 million in fiscal year 1996.
Projected additional revenues are expected to increase up to $ 20 million annually
by fiscal year 1998.
This project is expected to be completed in February 1996, however, there is a
provision in the contract to renew through February 1998. The consultant on the
project, MAXIMUS, is contracted to receive 6.9 percent of additional federal funds
received over and above current projections.
Review and Improvements in Adoption Subsidy Program - DES utilized both
its internal audit unit and a consultant to conduct reviews of the Adoption Subsidy
program to identify ways to contain costs within the program. As a result, DES
expects to save the Adoption Subsidy Program $ 2 to $ 3 million annually through
greater use of Title XIX funding.
The consultant, Deloitte & Touche, received $ 479,119 for its work.
In addition to the projects underway, a comprehensive review of 4,152 child records
conducted by the National Child Welfare Resource Center ( NCWRC) was completed
in June 1994, assessing the safety of children in ACYF care. The review found that " the
vast majority of children in ACYF custody are safe." However, the consultants also
expressed concerns about the extent to which the agency is finding permanent homes
for children in a timely manner. Moreover, ACYF lacks consistency in compliance with
policies and procedures relating to caseworker contacts with children and their foster
Other Issues
During our follow- up review of CPS, we also identified several other issues that
directly impact ACYF's ability to provide effective and efficient child protective services.
For instance, while additional positions have been appropriated to address caseload
growth, caseworkers are not provided with the skills and resources needed to perform
their jobs.(') In addition, caseworkers expressed their frustration with the process for
obtaining behavioral health services for foster children. Further, a shortage of foster
homes has resulted in sometimes lengthy and inappropriate out- of- home placements.
Finally, leadership turnover may have impacted ACYF's lack of progress in the past
and could influence the direction of current initiatives.
Caseworker co- ncems - During our review, we accompanied caseworkers from six
separate offices on their daily activities to better understand their responsibilities and
to identify any factors impeding their ability to do their job. Overall, we found the case
workers to be very dedicated, competent, and extremely hardworking. However,
several common concerns arose regarding lack of resources, training, excessive
overtime, and personal safety. We conducted follow- up calls with 20 additional CPS
workers across the state and found they faced similar problems.
A hck of resources impedes the caseworkers' ability to efficiently and effectively
perform their job. Many caseworkers are frustrated with the lack of adequate
vehicles, office space and equipment. For example, in one of the offices we visited,
there are approximately 60 workers involved in case management, but only 2 state
vehicles were available for their use. In addition, the lack of an automated case
management system increases the amount of time spent completing paperwork
and, as a result, impacts case documentation. For example, one- half of caseworkers
we surveyed indicated that they cannot consistently document their cases in a
timely manner. Moreover, most caseworkers do not have direct access to a
computer, which further impacts timely information gathering.
A recent internal survey of DES employees statewide identified similar concerns.
DES task teams have developed workplans to recommend solutions to these and
other concerns and to ensure implementation.
Timing and content of training was also a concern for some caseworkers.
Currently, new caseworkers attend 22 days of core training over a 5- to 6- month
period. Usually, they are not enrolled in training until they have spent some time
in the field. A survey of 15 caseworkers who recently attended training revealed
that they had worked 2 to 8 months before beginning training. According to an
ACYF official, caseworkers are waiting longer for training due to a shortage of
(') In addition to increased positions, ACYF continues to utilize contracted positions. As of December
1993, there were 157 such positions, most located in the rural districts. The majority of contracted
positions are dedicated to ongoing case management.
training staff. In addition, NCWRC found, in its contacts with district staff, that
while some field experience prior to training is acceptable, the delay in receiving
training lessens its usefulness.
In addition, several caseworkers commented about the content of core training.
Some found it was too theoretical and did not provide sufficient guidance in
handling day- to- day activities or situations.
Many of the caseworkers we spoke with expressed great concern about their own
personal safety when performing their job. Some caseworkers often travel to
remote locations and most deal with potentially hostile clients. Yet, very few have
cellular phones or other methods of personal protection should an emergency
situation arise. To compensate, some caseworkers use a " buddy system" or call
local law enforcement to help respond to a report. However, such techruques are
not always available or timely.
Excessive paperwork, frequent travel, and heavy caseloads often result in
unreported overtime for a majority of the caseworkers we surveyed. Many
caseworkers ( 16 of 20 surveyed) indicated that they consistently bring paperwork
home on nights and weekends in an effort to keep file information current. DES
policy requires advance approval prior to working overtime ( except in emergency
situations) and states that employees will either receive payment or compensatory
time. However, while caseworkers are aware that they can receive compensatory
time, they find it difficult to take the time off as it would put them further behind
in their caseload. According to one caseworker, "( they) can't put in for overtime
more than occasionally because workers believe management will fault them as
being ' deficient' for not being able to complete caseload work within the 40 hours."
Behavioral Health Services - Caseworkers expressed their frustration with the current
process for obtaining behavioral health services for foster children. Prior to 1992, DES
obtained behavioral health services for children within its custody by contracting
directly with service providers. However, that process was changed when federal Title
XIX funding was made available for children's behavioral health. As a result, DES
caseworkers are required to request services from Regional Behavioral Health
Authorities ( RBHA's) under contract with the Department of Health Services, Division
of Behavioral Health Services. According to some of the caseworkers we spoke with,
this process is time consuming and cumbersome. Furthermore, they are concerned that
all chldren do not receive services appropriate to their needs.
Due to the complexity of this issue and the limited scope of our review we did not
fully document the extent of the problem or what factors have contributed to the
current situation. However, DES is actively pursuing solutions to this problem with the
Department of Health Services which has primary responsibility for this area.
Foster care crisis - A shortage of foster homes has resulted in children being placed
in temporary shelters or other group facilities for extended periods of time. As of June
1994, there were over 250 children awaiting placement into foster homes. Many of these
children were placed in shelter facilities for temporary placement while a foster home
was being located; however, a stay that should have been only a few days extended
to weeks or months. For example, on July 1,1994, the Crisis Nursery in Phoenix housed
14 infants that had an average stay of 50 days and 11 preschool cluldren with an
average stay of 60 days.(') In addition, as shelter facilities are intended to be temporary
placements, children may be transferred to group homes to allow room in the shelters
for other children entering the system. Not only is the foster shortage impacting
placements, it is also more costly; daily shelter costs range from $ 80 to $ 100, while
foster homes receive approximately $ 8 to $ 23 per day.
Some attribute this current crisis to several factors. First, children in the foster care
system have more medical and behavioral problems, making it difficult to find foster
families willing to take on such complex cases. NCWRC found in its visits with district
staff that the children in foster care have been dramatically affected because of
increased substance abuse and violence in our population. Second, an increased number
of cluldren are spending long periods in foster care, further clogging up the system for
other children awaiting out- of- home placement. For example, according to the recent
NCWRC case review, almost one- half of foster children in December 1993 had been in
foster homes for over two years. Moreover, 22 percent of these cluldren had been in
foster care over 4 years. While the national average for children with " long term foster
care" as a permanent case plan was 12 percent, 24 percent of Arizona children in
foster care had such a case plan goal. Other factors impacting foster care placement
include age ( older cluldren tend to be harder to place), sibling groups ( DES prefers to
keep siblings together), and foster families " dropping out" as they become frustrated
in obtaining services for the children or disenchanted with the system.
Some steps have been taken to alleviate this problem. First, DES recently obtained an
exclusive contract for 50 beds at a group shelter facility. In addition, it may convert
some group shelters into group homes to provide a more stable, permanent placement.
Finally, a recent foster home recruitment effort in Maricopa County resulted in over 100
applications for foster home licenses.
Leadership turnover - Turnover in division leadership may have impacted ACYF's
ability to promote changes in its program. A new division Assistant Director and ACYF
Program Administrator were recently hired. This means that the ACYF Program
Administrator position has been filled by five individuals since May 1993. Moreover,
three individuals have served in the Assistant Director position since 1990. One outside
Crisis Nursery has 36 licensed beds for chlldren from ages 0 to 8. DES contracts for 16 of these
beds, with an agreement to utilize additional beds, if necessary. According to a Crisis Nursery
official, 23 to 24 of its beds are consistently filled by children in DES custody.
consultant noted that inconsistency in leadershp has forced management staff in the
districts to make what are effectively policy decisions based on their experience at the
district level.
The Auditor General and staff express appreciation to the Director and staff of the
Department of Economic Security for their cooperation and assistance during the
review. A copy of the Department's response to this report is included as Attachment
My staff and I will be pleased to discuss or clarify items in this report.
~ o u ~ hRd. lN orton
Auditor General
Attachment 1
Agency Response
171 7 W. Jefferson - P. O. Box 61 23 - Phoenix, AZ 85005
Fife Symington Linda J. Blessing, DPA
Governor Director
November 15, 1994
Mr. Douglas R. Norton
Auditor General
Office of the Auditor General
2910 North 44th Street, Suite 410
Phoenix, Arizona 85018
Dear Mr. Norton:
Thank you for the opportunity to respond to the study of the
Department of Economic Security, Division of Children and
Family Services ( DCFS).
We are pleased that the report summarizes the most important
features of the comprehensive and aggressive plan that has
been initiated to fully address the current challenges
confronting DCFS. These include:
the design, development and implementation of a
statewide automated child welfare information system. Well
into its planning phase, this project promises to be one of
the most comprehensive systems of its kind, encompassing all
aspects of child welfare services.
the complete redesign of current program operations
including children and families services, legal proceedings,
service analysis, results and outcome measurements,
personnel and training, and policies and procedures. The
review and analysis stage of this project is nearing its
conclusion. The implementation phase is scheduled for
completion by January 1996;
a uniform overhaul of the Child Protective Services
( CPS) intake process. A centralized intake process, the
most significant recommendation of the Effective Quality
Unified Intake Process Team ( EQUIPT), has been implemented
in Districts I and VI. Early feedback supports the EQUIPT
vision of treating all incoming reports consistently and
equitably. Five other EQUIPT recommendations, including the
streamlining of intake and related case management forms,
improving interfaces with the Attorney General's Office,
improving the case closure process, eliminating duplicative
services, and eliminating manual reporting processes, are in
various stages of implementation. These process
improvements recommended by EQUIPT have received national
recognition by the Child Welfare League of America.
Mr. Douglas R. Norton
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Additionally, resource issues related to staffing,
workloads, caseload complexity, training, overtime, and
personal safety are being addressed by the Program Redesign
and internal quality initiatives. The recommendations,
including implementation plans, will be presented in 1995.
The Behavioral Health issues are being addressed through the
Children's Behavioral Health Plan developed by a consortium
comprised of the Departments of Economic Security, Health
Services, ducati ion, Youth Treatment and Rehabilitation, the
Administrative Office of the Courts, Regional Behavioral
Health Authorities, and community behavioral health
advocates. Work group recommendations are scheduled for
delivery throughout 1995.
The shortage of foster care homes is being addressed by a
task force comprised of both internal and external entities.
Recommendations from this work group will be implemented
during 1995.
The Department did not fully implement the 1991 workload
study findings, however, as soon as I was appointed
Director, I made the reform of Arizona's child welfare
services the Department ' s number one priority.
Consequently, we will not settle for anything less than
complete success in this vitally important area.
Finally, I wish to express this Department's appreciation to
you and your staff for the courtesy consistently displayed
by your staff during the course of their study. If you have
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I hear everyone talking about these wrist straps. what aspect of shooting a bow does this help with. i am new to shooting bows so there may be more dumb questions to follow!!!!!
I hear everyone talking about these wrist straps. what aspect of shooting a bow does this help with. i am new to shooting bows so there may be more dumb questions to follow!!!!!
The wrist strap that is attached to the bow is there to keep the bow from jumping out of your hand. Keeping it from falling to the ground/floor. I have a friend that refuses to put on on his bow and I have seen him drop his bow twice. It could get really ugly if or when stuff starts to break.
Not to start a big controversy on this subject, however there are lots of pros and cons...to explain better...it is kind of like shooting a gun...you always squeeze the trigger never pull.....with bows...you never grip the riser handle because of torque you place on the handle, on the other hand....a open hand may also cause inconsistent torque depending on angle of shot...so I grasp the bow, not grip, and like all things... this might have its drawbacks???? However, if you choose open hand, I will agree with the "bubba101st" that a wrist strap will save you a lot of heartache!!!! But, for what it is worth, try it both ways and find the most consistent shot placement for your style of shooting....open hand or grasping will both work....I have just found that in a vertically challenged shot that grasping works best for me...just my opinion, K?
thanks for the info. I have just been grasping the grip instead of useing an open hand because i did fin it to work better.
Grasping is one of the worst things you can do when shooting a bow. Eventually you start grasping the bow before the arrow leaves the bow, causing torque, which adversely affect accuracy. It can also lead to target panic, which you definitely don't want--believe me.
Actually, if you shoot a bow properly or nearly so, there is no way to grip or grasp. The bow hand should be at about a 40 degree angle with the riser on the meat of the thumb. The fingers should not be held open or tense. The bow hand should be totally relaxed.
Herein is the reason for the wrist sling. At the shot you just let the bow do what it wants to do. You shoot the bow. Let the bow shoot the arrow. The only thing you should be thinking about is aiming. Keep aiming till the arrow hits it's mark. It's kinda like shooting a gun. You aim and squeeze, with the mind staying in the aiming mode. You shoot the gun. Let the gun shoot the bullet.
I would suggest you walk on over to www.archerytalk.com and join up there. There are some very good pics by a guy called "Nuts&Bolts" that help with what I have been explaining here.
Originally Posted by bfisher
What he said.... archerytalk.com is a great site with alot Of info on various subjects and you can get an answer to nearly any bow related question you may have.. there is a world on knowledge there
gosh, I said there was controversy....I am not telling anyone how to shoot...just sharing my personal success with accuracy...it is only a opinion...and when it comes to shooting guns, you said it right in the first part, squeeze the trigger...from there, you cannot control what a individual is going to do...they might flinch, twitch or bull the butt...who knows what may come??? That is the difference between a great shot and someone who has challenges to overcome!!! Same with bow shooting, there is a recommended way of shooting and I will agree that open hand is the most common method practiced...however, you still never mentioned what torque will do to a bow on exteme vertical shots...my point being...we can all compensate....however, I find nearly and I mean nearly no difference between shooting horizontal shots and vertical using the grasp method...it is all in self control like any other shooting method....if you flinch or twitch you are going to be inconsistent...I never grip the bow...I simply leave my hand in a cradled position which will not allow the riser to drop...so technically, I open hand a bow...get the picture...and NO, I have never had a desire to grip the bow anymore during the shot...that is simply the difference between a o.k. shot and consistently great shots!!!! Look, I am new to this website and appreciate you advise in going to another website "archerytalk" I believe is correct!!! But while you are on this website...I can assure you if you go to photos and click on my photo entry "old friends last" you will see a turkey I took at 47 yards with my old Martin bow through the neck...under pressure have shot...we are not talking targets here...and I made it happen because of my shooting style...it was actually probably a 70% up hill shot...and as consistent as ever I made the shot...Martin bows being a big help....however, if you shoot consistent...what does it really matter..."archery talk" or otherwise....by the way...if you where wondering about the rifle shooting thing...I have taken a elk at 750 yards with a 30.06 in one shot....not bragging...just want you to know how seriously I take accuracy, no matter what I shoot...most people would say that was impossible...however, my life long hunting partner was with me and can verify the shot...including my turkey shot(with a bow)!!!! No matter what anyone tells you...testing and testing and testing your equipment is the only real way to know your true capabilities...shooting or otherwise....and competition won't cut it....I have been there and done that...I am more critical of myself on a personal setting and especially in a hunting situation...the critters never stay put like a target...imagine that!!!!!
Got you covered. In other words you don't really grasp the bow during the shot. You just don't let it fall. To expand a bit on shooting, as we all have heard, "You can't hit what you aren't aiming at". In other words that's all the conscious mind should be doing. The rest just happens.
Generally, we are in agreement. And the reason I mention Archery Talk is that it is a Martin sponsored site with in excess of 60,000 members. There is a lot more help over there, whatever your questions may be. My intent was not to chase anybody away, but advise where the most help might be obtained.
See ya on Archery Talk.
Cool! Definitely be visiting that website!! Have a good one...may are arrows always hit the mark!!!


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