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Hult International Business School
Feb 04, 2008 08:38
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But, based on what I've read, it seems like a "hidden gem" in the MBA world..
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!!
Feb 09, 2008 04:17
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I'm presently a student at Hult.
I can tell that the program is quite good. At least so far I really appreciate the quality of courses. Obviously some more than others but that is a question of preferences.
If you heard about Dubai you should also know about Shanghai the satellite campus. I'll be spending 6 weeks there taking electives. And finally Hult has recently announced taking over Huron University in London which will be re-branded next year. Only Insead can claim having something similar but not even close. If i is international exposure you are looking for Hult is hard to beat.
The program in fact is over 40 years old now. It is the former Arthur D. Little school of Business program renamed. After the bankruptcy of the consulting company the school was sold and had to change name.
The main issue faced is brand awareness of the school. But I believe that notoriety will grow significantly in the near future.
Even if it is not your first choice. The job market in the USA is tough right now. I would definitely consider Hult as an option.
Apr 05, 2008 02:13
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even if you appreciate the program you are currently doing, you should not compare it to INSEAD just because they have a compus in Dubai or Shanghai. You really can't compare those two schools, there are a different league.
If you read carefully what I wrote you will notice I was talking about international exposure.
Yes, I can compare with INSEAD or any other school, for example our neighbors at MIT and Harvard.
Students here have the option to take electives in Shanghai (I will be 6 weeks there starting next month) and Dubai (for next intake). And from 2009 on in London also.
If there is any other school that can offer this please say so.
We cannot compare the prestige of the name. I know that counts a lot.
This was always a small school so the network is smaller, but we do have 40 years of Arthur D. Little graduates spread around the world.
And we also do not have a full time faculty. They all belong to other institutions here in Boston(Northeastern, Babson, Boston College, etc) . That is also why we don't show up in rankings, except for the economist.
If you are accepted by a top tier program and can afford it, unarguably that is the best option.
If you want a one year program in the US with a lot of international experience at a much "lighter" price, Hult is a good option.
Fernando Cabral
Kindly let me know the Career oppurtunities after pursuing one year programme at Dubai campus with elective at Shanghai. I have got 4 years work experience with Automobile company in India.
It sounds like you've had a pretty bad experience.
I dont have any experience of Hult or their staff personally, so I cant comment, but it would be interesting to get more feed back. I'm not sure its fair to criticise staff so individually. I dont know Stephen Hodges, but according to their website he does have an MA from Cambridge and a PhD from Manchester. Sounds fairly serious to me.
Has anybody else got any useful comments on Hult?
Aug 07, 2008 04:41
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I am an alum of Hult. Hence I may tend to have a soft corner. Based on the previous reviews here is my personal take.
Can't compare Hult to schools like Insead. I definitely agree there are lots of differences in terms of faculty, placements, brand name, quality of students. Insead definitely has a much higher weightage.
Having said that Hult is not a bad choice either. The faculties are very good and are drawn from some reputed schools. Some of the faculties are just superb and one of them teaches in Insead too. The program is good as the curriculum is in line with other top one year programs. It does not have a campus but considering the fact it is in Boston and in US definitely a better choice compare to UK school(for me US education and experience matter much more than UK). The school has has started agressively branding it self and expanding worldwide. These are good signs of its current leader. Since the school size is small (about 120 students per class) they don't meet certain criteria to participate in other ranking.
You may have difficulties in finding job due to its brand. But there are many students found jobs in and out of US. Even students have got jobs much before graduation. It all depend upon your work experience. Don't just count upon the MBA to job unless you have good work exp.
If you are looking for a one year program in US I would recommend(though Thunderbird is another choice but they are in Arizona, you don't like to go there). If you can get accepted to schools like Insead I would recommend Insead than Hult. I would not go to any schools in UK other than say LBS or one or two branded schools.
Hope this helps
There are 2 sides to every coin. School branding and faculty may be of consideration (actually, I would say that the faculty is by enlarge good to top-notch). However, it is up to the individual student to take the initiative to learn, and to brand himself/ herself.
If one wishes to learn, I would say that the opportunity for great exposure is there at Hult. Since I've been there, there have been many improvements to the quality of the program and the school is growing in both size and reputation. The school is committed to providing the best it can and improving as fast as possible. It has taken many firm decisions and made significant investment towards this end, and continues to do so.
Many in my class have gotten good jobs. Many have successfully switched to consulting, investment banking, etc. Some are CEOs, CTOs within their companies.
In these times, even Harvard MBAs (a few who I know personally) have to face the reality of the market, but with huge student debt pressures. Lay offs are all too common in the big name investment banks, and the market is tough no matter who you are. Perhaps a smaller student loan and less of an "elitist" chip on the shoulder to carry would allow one to view the world in more practical terms. The MBA should be viewed as a starting point for learning, rather than the be all and end all. Nothing beats practical, real-world experience and fire in the belly.
Best courses in Hult : Finance, Innovation/ Consulting, Strategy, Global Management. Many others are great too.
I'll list them another day, as I need to check if the courses are still the same.
The Finance course is now superb (taught by a brilliant Harvard PhD with real world $$ experience). Innovation and Strategy are taught by experienced consultants (from Monitor, ADL) who are thought leaders in their field.
Since i graduated the school has improved even further. Their transformation into a global business school is actually pretty impressive. The recent graduates I have interacted with were largely happy with their experience, particularly those that had gone to study in Shanghai (wasnt available when I was there, but I think available for the last year or so). I think the combination of one-year, US MBA, global campus network is fairly unique and certainly worth considering.
Agree the brand of the school needs to improve, everyone understands that is the major weakness of a relatively young school. From my perspective it is improving every year though. However, certainly something worth taking into account if you do not have a "blue chip" name on your resume.
I'd also be interested to know the extent of your current contact with Hult. A lot of schools talk a lot of hot air about alumni relations, but again, it sounds like your involvement is very genuine. Have you met any other Hult grads since you left? In what ways do you think the school has improved since then?
Its also good to hear from someone comment on the whole "blue chip" thing, as I've always felt that many prospective MBAers place (although I can quite understand why), far too much emphasis on a narrow range of schools based solely on rankings, which - as we all know - are far from perfect measures.
The most exciting change at the school is the development of the multiple campuses. I certainly would have wanted to spend time in Shanghai or Dubai learning what is going on there during my MBA. I hear they have totally restructured Careers and brought in someone from INSEAD to head it, but no idea how that is going. Probably difficult to judge in this market.
The biggest shame is that the school had to lose the Arthur D. Little name. ADL was a brand name so that really helped the school a lot. Would be great if they could change it back.
I think the biggest mistake people make is assuming that an MBA will solve everything. If you enter any b school with a poor resume then you will struggle to get a great job. All employers look past the MBA degree and really look at your experience, fit with the company and yur career performance todate.
The rankings are designed to sell newspapers more than help students make an informed decision in my opinion. My advice when spending (borrowing?) this amount of money is to talk to everyone you can (alumni, faculty, careers services) before making a decision. As with any consumer product the more informed you are, the more likely you are to be happy. Just relying on the rankings is like buying a car based on a newspaper review, but not taking it for a test drive. Who would do that?
I did a lot of research before joining Hult and I have to say I got what I expected. A great education. And friends all over the planet. It is certainly not for everybody, but then what b school is?
2) ADL School of Mgmt has never been compared to MIT, Harvard, etc because the format of the program was not comparable...
3) Who's current Dean of MBA in INSEAD? Answer: Jake Cohen... well, Jake thought in Hult for a couple of years...and we enjoyed his teaching in Hult
The bad thing about Hult is that the brand (no longer ADL) is almost unknown... while INSEAD is very well known (especially in EU)...
Can you compare Hult with Harvard, NW, Univ. of Chicago, Stanford, etc? No! But I would not compare INSEAD with these Bus. Schools either!
Can you compare Hult with INSEAD? Absolutely yes: the programs are very similar and the strategy (a campus in any continent) is the same.
NB: "Comparable" does not mean "the same"...
If you are interested only in a 1-Y MBA (as most of the guys who choose Hult) the advice I can give you is to apply for INSEAD, IMD, and HULT and go for the first 2 if they admit you and you can afford their tuitions ... Why I give you this suggestion? Because they have a stronger brand.
It seems there was someone complaining about Hult 'cos the School closed her/his email account etc... well look for other blogs (Harvard included) and see how many ppl that have been forced to leave the program are now complaining about the School... You will always find someone complaining...
I always believed that "you get what you pay for" and Hult is not Harvard... On the other hand, Hult's faculty body with (a couple of top-notch finance, economics and strategy professors) is pretty good... Could it be better? Sure, the Dean and the President have a lot to do but it seems that they are NOW moving in the right direction.
Unfortunately, a weak brand and a disconnect between the 2 Hult alumni and ADL alumni make the things a bit more complicated.
Anyway, there are Hult Students working in McKinsey (not in US 'cos McKinsey policy in US is to hire only top-10 schools so mind where INSEAD is in the ranking now) and other world-class firms.
The job you get after your MBA depends mostly on your previous experience and on who you really are!
It would be a great help if someone can tell me the gmat score required for hult.
It would be a great help if someone can tell me the gmat score required for hult.
Vidhi, the average GMAT of Hult is around 580-600. Hope that helps.
Nov 10, 2008 07:24
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Suffolk University in Boston offers a Global MBA - Masters in Global Business Administration -- with concentrations in international finance and international marketing.
The program is based in the strength of the MBA core curriculum but every course beyond the core focuses on international business. Suffolk Global MBAs are required to enroll in a one-week Global Travel Seminar with five destinations to choose from: Business in India with travel to Bangalore; Business in Germany with travel to Franfurt and Munich; Business in Viet Name; the London Financial Markets; and Business in China with travel to Beijing and Shanghai. The 7 to 9 day travel component of the course takes place when there are not campus classes -- i.e. during spring break or between winter and spring semester; or between spring and summer terms. Students visit with corporate executives and complete live case studies.
The Full-Time Global MBAs must complete a three month full-time internship outside their home country during the months of June, July and August. Recent placements have included the World Trade Organization in Switzerland, Korres (a leading European natural cosmetics firm headquartered in Athens), Sully Finance in Paris, PAP Corp - owner of three ocean side resort hotels in Thessaloniki; and in the Boston area, Teradyne, Procter & Gamble, Monster Worldwide, and State STreet Global Advisors among others.
Career focused from day one........see the video at www.suffolk.edu/globalmba for a taste of the Suffolk MBA Programs
Criteria Rank (out of 100)
Overall rank 31
Open new career opportunities 54
Diversity of recruiters 48
Number in jobs three months after graduation 86
Jobs found through the careers service 15
Student assessment 68
Personal development and educational experience 63
Faculty quality 100
Student quality 87
Student diversity 15
Education experience 18
Increase in salary 9
Post-graduation salary 1
Final salary 59
Potential to network 38
Breadth of alumni network 76
Internationalism of alumni 11
Alumni effectiveness 64
For people planning to do an MBA you really should be able research this stuff and pick out the reasons for the high ranking, namely the Post-graduation salary increase.
But that is easy to achieve with the one year working visa provided to the (92% foreign) students.
Please email me at: [email protected] for more information or questions.
The program is best of breed and the faculty speak for themselves.
***Due to the overwhelming response of questions and interest I have been getting, I will be opening up my blog at www.ahmadashkar.com to answer questions about Hult IBS. I will also be featuring an article there that will address many of the questions I have been asked.
To get an idea of some of the innovative types of things Hult Students are doing, please visit: www.globalcasechallenge.com
Ahmad Ashkar
I am not a US citizen, currently based in Europe and got an acceptance recently from the Hult Business school with a partial bursary (7.000USD) but the total expenses cost appr. 86.000USD.
Any insights will be appreciated.
Thank you!
I am currently a student at Hult International Business School and acting President of the Consulting Club. I will be available to answer any questions regarding the program and share with you the benefits of such a diverse and intensive program.
Please email me at: [email protected] for more information or questions.
The program is best of breed and the faculty speak for themselves.
***Due to the overwhelming response of questions and interest I have been getting, I will be opening up my blog at www.ahmadashkar.com to answer questions about Hult IBS. I will also be featuring an article there that will address many of the questions I have been asked.
To get an idea of some of the innovative types of things Hult Students are doing, please visit: www.globalcasechallenge.com
Ahmad Ashkar
Hult alumni have gone on to work at all the top management consulting companies in the USA; including McKinsey. Please keep in mind that Hult IBS is the former ADL school of management. All of today's major management consulting shops are off-shoots of Arthur D. Little, the original Management Consulting Company.
Hope this helps.
I was wondering whether it's the school that makes the person, or the person that makes the job.
I'm curious because I don't see Hult as a core school for McKinsey recruitment nor do McKinsey recruit on campus apparently.
Bain and BCG are spin-offs of Arthur D. Little; we are the former Arthur D. Little School of Management, so I am sure one could deduct that we are as you say, "a core" school.
If a job at McKinsey is what you want, you do not have to look to far as our President, Steve Hodges is a former associate principal of McKinsey & Co. London.
I welcome your feedback and / or further questions.
So how many people went to McKinsey/Bain/BCG last year? Were there a lot of Hult interns at M/B/B?
I went to Bain, and apparently Hult isn't a "core" school in that sense. A search for "Hult" turned up nil.
Unfortunately, same goes for BCG.
Am I looking at the wrong websites/pages?
My 1st post :). Eager to share my experience.
I have got confirm admit to HULT London class of Sep-2010.
I believe that HULT is one of the most underrated programs with huge potential to unlock. I was quite apprehensive when I received an interview request, 3 months back, from HULT. Proactive approach of school seems suspicious, but turned out to be proof of their commitment to attract best possible talent.
In my last 3 months, I discovered many +ves abt school and ultimately decided to take admit. I am smitten by the school staffs attitude, supportive & encouraging. Always a pleasant & praiseworthy encounter .
Few of the highlights of HULT
1. A True Global School with 5 campuses
2. Diverse International Students
3. Faculty from best bschools around the world
4. Exciting Program/Initiative: Executive Track for High Potential Students
5. Value for Money
Above qualities with eagerness of HULT to carve a place among top programs makes it a worthy choice.
Cheers !!
Profile: Indian/IT/Male/4.7 yrs/GMAT 640/Excellent Acads/Outstanding Extracurricular
congratulations on the offer from Hult, London. Just one question, did u apply for the london campus in particular?
Pleasure to share more updates about HULT.
I have attended HULTs Executive Assesment at Dubai Campus on 16th May. It was an all inclusive trip from HULT for the applicants, having potential leadership skills, with confirm admits.
20 participants, 12 Countries: A powerful Cultural Shock
Work-Exp range: 4.7 (mine was minimum) to 12 years
Masters, PHD, & Reserchers
Almost everyone stayed/worked at more than 3 countries
Relevant Assesment: 4 Buisness Case Studies, HR Consultants were observing us
Additional Bonus: Attended a session from MD of HSBC, Dubai, with HULTs current class
Nice Stay: All Paid Trip
The trip has really fostered my confidence into HULTs ability to give me the Things , I was looking for.
Also a word about Dubai, Pardise In Dessert.
Profile: Male/IT/4.7 yrs/GMAT 640/Excellent Acads/Outstanding Extracurricular
This year, students from the consulting club were recruited from: BCG, McKinsey, Bain and Monitor.
The majority of the US based positions in MC are filled by HBS - if you dream of becoming "McKinsey guy" you have better odds there.
Hult and HBS have completely different models and programs. Both offering uniquely different experiences that are not comparable.
Those international students that are best in class and part of the consulting club will get offers in their home countries (regions) from the top consulting companies. If you would like to speak with any of them, please contact career services office at Hult, as I did when I was in your shoes just one year ago.
Salaam from Dubai!
May 22, 2010 12:08
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Even I am admitted to HULT's London Program 10.
Had you been to their Dubai program where in they test the leadership qualities etc etc.... how was it and what more you have done R&D on it?
If you dont mind can I have your personal id as well?
After speaking to them, do you think they have anything to hide about their recruitment? If not, they really should post up a detailed recruitment breakdown.
Do you know exactly how many people were recruiting by McKinsey/BCG/Bain? And into which roles?
I'm surprised that the foreign consulting offices would recruit from Hult and not schools like INSEAD and LBS. Last I heard, INSEAD has a very high number of people who go into top consulting firms - is that true for Hult too?
May 26, 2010 08:35
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Please have a look at the following links
this links shows the break up of the jobs secured by students and at what time.
This link shows the list of the recruiters.
Now is this data not trustful?
Truth be told, those links aren't too helpful - they're not as detailed as what I've been looking for.
For example, LBS breaks down exactly to how many students were hired by McKinsey in 2009 (21 students) and the % of career changers. Hult's website just lumps them all and gives a general overview.
By the way, I've been looking at people in PE/VC/MC/IB, and I'm hard pressed to find anybody in the better organizations that graduated from Hult. So if you could point me to anybody at a top firm who is a Hult alum, I would appreciate it.
May 26, 2010 08:21
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Why you guys focused on compare HULT with Insead or London Business School? They are absolutely not in the same level in terms of 1) brand reputation 2) PRE-MBA background of students 3) POST-MBA starting salary 4) proportion of students entering IB or Consulting firms such as Goldman Sachs/Morgan stanley/Mckinsey/Bain. I think it's common sense.
To be frank, I do not think HULT can catch up either INSEAD or LBS in the next ten years. In fact, HULT is making great efforts to learn from Insead and LBS,. For example, in 2008 many students complained career service is not good enough, so HULT decisively fired the whole career service team and invite assistant director of Insead CS team to become HULT CS director (empower she to hire new staff and devise new CS strategy).
However, should all HULT students be shame about HULT and themselves? Absolutely not!!! On the contrary, we should be very proud of HULT for its stupendous achievement since 2003.
As we know, HULT is just a very small Boston located school belongs to a firm (the oldest management consulting firm Arthur D. Little) from 1964 to 2003, enroll less than 40 full time students per year, never show up in any international recognized ranking...
However, since Arthur D. Little sold the school to EF (the worlds largest private education company) and renamed HULT (the name of EF big boss is Bertil HULT), everything have been changed drastic and completely!
In my opinion, the biggest changes for HULT since the turnpoint of 2003 are the following four aspects:
1. Recruit truly world class faculty (you can check via http://www.hult.edu/mba-program/our-program/faculty ).
BTW, most HULT professors have very solid experience of corporation management or entrepreneurship, some of them are not Phd so maybe not good at doing research but they are currently or have been long served as senior VPs in companies, their very rich experience in real business combined with HULTs action-learning curriculum that emphasises practical skills, definitely help students learn more efficiently and effectively thus standout immediately after graduation.
2. Showcase in globally respected MBA ranking, which is unimaginable before 2003.
Newest Financial times global full time ranking: 94th in January 2010
BTW: 5th for International mobility rank, 22th for career progress rank, 37th for value for money rank
Newest Economist global full time ranking: 44th in October 2009
BTW: 6th for increase in salary, 9th for students diversity, 9th for internationalism of alumni, 11th for education experience, 15th for Jobs found through the career service
3. Become a truly global business school by
1) establish dedicated campus in five cities and keep the same standard of learning experience everywhere. Every students can choose to study in a home campus of BOSTON/San Francisco/London/Dubai for the first nine months and spend the last three months in other campus(up to two) including Shanghai.
2) Focused on enroll students from all over the world and made the proportion of Non-US students around 90%. This definitely makes the students background very diversified and globalized. Combined with its unique campus rotation program in last 3 months, HULT definitely standout in such a globalized environment.
4. Promote the brand image and increase the brand influence all-round.
On one hand, before 2003, the school only provides full time MBA education in Boston with around 40 students per year. However, my full time MBA peers of August 2010 entrance will be 220 in Boston campus, 120 in San Francisco campus, 120 in London campus, 60 in Dubai campus. That means HULTs full time enrollment increase from 50/Y in 2003 to 500/Y in 2010!!! Moreover, HULT already provides part-time MBA, EMBA and EDP program in Dubai campus; undergraduate degree and four kinds of master degree program in London campus
On the other hand, HULT try to using its sincerity, scholarship, and unique Executive Track Program to attract star students. HULT hold a special event twice a year in one HULT campus(2009 in London, 2010 in Dubai), HULT pays for the flight and accommodation of all the participator confirmed students, besides some networking activities, the participator students will join a very intensive assessment center be evaluated their leadership skill potential. One thirds of the participator will be rewarded finally join the Executive Track Program, which means they can not only have some extra leadership training class through their MBA program but also be allocated a mentor(a very senior accomplished business professional) to give him useful advice about polishing leadership skills and career plan, as well as networking resources. From my ETP communication experience, I firmly believe at least around 50 people, or one tenth of HULT full-time students body, are strong enough(Both GMAT and working experience) to join TOP 15 Global MBA.
Last but not the least, HULT has been more active in attending or even arranging some business case competition, guest lecture, seminar, info session, etc. You can check via: http://www.hult.edu/about-hult/press
In conclusion, HULT made tremendous progress only after 2003, especially when it finish its global layout in late 2009. Nobody can deny its amazing improvement speed.
Now the whole program system (including undergraduate, part-time and full-time MBA, other master degree, EMBA, EDP ) and five campus have been fully developed, with EFs consistent investment and fast growing power of worldwide alumni, HULT definitely has a very bright future.
I dont wanna to predict when HULT can be compared with Insead or LBS, thats still too long a way to go, maybe ten years later we can start to discuss this issue. But I do believe HULT is currently a better choice compared with MBA program neither tradition top 30 in North American nor top 20 in Europe, and still moving forward its ranking step by step. With the quick rising influence of HULT worldwide, of course there will be more graduate land a job in IB/MC/PE/VC, in case you'd like to define the main criteria of a top MBA program are how many POST-MBA students entering those firms.
PS: HULT isn't suitable for everybody. Because it's a rigorous one-year program, you need to have strong experience(average of full time HULT MBA is 7 years). GMAT isn't very important but you need at least 680+ if you want to join the ETP program or get very attractive scholarship. And I personally won't recommand HULT if you want totally switch industry POST-MBA because one year is a little bit too intensive for study only(HULT needs around 60 credits in one year) and not enough time for seeking related internship. BTW, money isn't a problem for you, not only it's can provide scholarship up to half tuition but also a no-cosign loan up to half tuition too.
But thanks for sharing, really appreciate it.
May 27, 2010 08:17
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A decent post. But I was just wondering whether Hult would ever give a detailed breakdown of their placements :)
But thanks for sharing, really appreciate it.
I'm even not a HULT student now, so no contact with HULT's Career Service team, I can't figure out the breakdown of placements, but I also wanna to share my opinions:
1. http://www.hult.edu/mba-program/your-career/accelerate-your-career from this past recruiter list, seems like POST-MBA career of HULT students are as good as even Harvard/Standford/Wharton, but please remember, the essence of any job placement report is only advertisement. So what's a good advertisement? I'm a Sales Manager in the past 3 years, from my own experience, I would say a good advertisement should be 1)tell the truth, never tell any lie 2)use tactics to focus on your strengths and play down your weakness So I don't think HULT will break down its placement report as detailed as Insead/LBS, why?? I personally think that their past recruiter list is just a combination of all good companies once recruited HULT students since 2003, for example, maybe only 1 guy enter into McKinsey since 2003, HULT will surely put McKinsey into recruiter list onlie... Can we say that HULT is a liar?? OF COURSE NOT!!
If I'm the director of HULT career service team, I would do the same thing:) However, I would make the placement report a little bit more detail. I would add the "trend" to it. So people can know HULT POST-MBA CAREER prospect is improving year by year, people would have more confidence in HULT!! Sometimes your position isn't the most important thing, but your direction and speed, just my opinion...
As I mentioned in the above post, HULT isn't suitable for everybody. Take my self for example, I have no interest in IB/Consulting, I will follow my current semiconductor industry POST MY MBA, I need a world-class business education to complement my undergraduate EE education, I need to spend the first 9 month in BOSTON so I can even tap into some recources of Harvard/MIT and spend the last 3 month in San Francisco so I can be more convienient to land a job in semiconductor companies from Califonia, Arizona, Texas. I got a attactive scholarship from HULT. I don't want to spend 2 years for MBA. Don't you think HULT is the best choice for me and similar people?
Again, if you had no previous experience in IB/Consulting, and wanna to land such a job POST-MBA, I suggest you take more consideration for your decision. Besides, everything is possible POST-HULT! I'm only familiar with CHINA, the truth here is your POST-MBA Job prospect become more and more depend on your PRE-MBA job! Maybe someone can tell me the truth in U.S or Europe now, thanks!
I'm even not a HULT student now, so no contact with HULT's Career Service team, I can't figure out the breakdown of placements, but I also wanna to share my opinions:
1. http://www.hult.edu/mba-program/your-career/accelerate-your-career from this past recruiter list, seems like POST-MBA career of HULT students are as good as even Harvard/Standford/Wharton, but please remember, the essence of any job placement report is only advertisement. So what's a good advertisement? I'm a Sales Manager in the past 3 years, from my own experience, I would say a good advertisement should be 1)tell the truth, never tell any lie 2)use tactics to focus on your strengths and play down your weakness So I don't think HULT will break down its placement report as detailed as Insead/LBS, why?? I personally think that their past recruiter list is just a combination of all good companies once recruited HULT students since 2003, for example, maybe only 1 guy enter into McKinsey since 2003, HULT will surely put McKinsey into recruiter list onlie... Can we say that HULT is a liar?? OF COURSE NOT!!
If I'm the director of HULT career service team, I would do the same thing:) However, I would make the placement report a little bit more detail. I would add the "trend" to it. So people can know HULT POST-MBA CAREER prospect is improving year by year, people would have more confidence in HULT!! Sometimes your position isn't the most important thing, but your direction and speed, just my opinion...
The question is, if other schools are willing to publish detailed placement reports, Why doesn't Hult do the same?
What are they hiding?
It's not a matter of advertising, or lying. It's a question of transparency - to an MBA graduate, getting a decent job after graduation is important. Hult should be transparent in who hired, how many were hired, etc. The basic placement questions. Is it ethical to intentionally mislead people by not being transparent? I certainly wouldn't be happy attending a school with that ethos.
Why does the President of Hult's Consulting Club claim that then Hult is a CORE recruiting school for top firms like Mckinsey/BCG etc? Was he lying?
Let me first start off my advising you that no Career Services DEPT of any school will serve you a job on a plate. If you are not qualified coming in, you will be far pressed to secure a good job. You mention in your post, "to an MBA graduate, getting a decent job after graduation is important." If you are not confident that you can get a "decent" job prior to coming into B-school, you are probably not MC caliber.
At Hult, we have a niche we fill within our club internationally in terms of the consulting industry.
Again, if you read previous posts you will see that the MCs do not recruit on-Hult campus. This would be an ineffective use of time; rather members are invited to private industry events. Hult IBS is not a MC breeding ground like HBS or INSEAD.
Why career services does not post exact figures? Why don't you drop an email into the school and ask? In fact, on a majority, most graduate programs DO NOT adhere to this practice.
If you think going to any MBA program guarantees you a position within the consulting industry, you are well mistaken. Based on your comments and interpretation and critical reasoning of this post - you have a very steep learning curve.
My contact information is posted. Please feel free to reach out to me directly if you are truly considering putting an application into Hult and I will give you the contact information for this year's Tier 1 MC hires thus far.
As mentioned prior, most students pursue positions in the international business field. Management Consulting is an area that Hult Students fill internationally.
This year, students from the consulting club were recruited from: BCG, McKinsey, Bain and Monitor.
The majority of the US based positions in MC are filled by HBS - if you dream of becoming "McKinsey guy" you have better odds there.
Hult and HBS have completely different models and programs. Both offering uniquely different experiences that are not comparable.
Why career services does not post exact figures? Why don't you drop an email into the school and ask? In fact, on a majority, most graduate programs DO NOT adhere to this practice.
Well, let's substitute management consulting with investment banking, or private equity, or venture capital...
Anyway, you've mentioned that most students going to Hult have a focus on International Business, so I'll take your word for it.
You're quite wrong about schools not posting detailed placement records though. Just a small sample of the schools that I browsed.
MIT Sloan
Chicago Booth
Nobody mentioned that the MBA program "guarantees" a position in consulting. I never did say that, it seems that you might have misinterpreted what I've said. Perhaps, it's your critical reasoning that is flawed.
I'm a little more familiar with the Career Offices of an MBA program than you give me credit for. It's pretty common knowledge that you've got to do a decent bit of leg work if you want certain jobs, high demand jobs.
But certain schools tend to have better placement in certain roles and industries - maybe the students are better qualified, smarter, etc - I won't speculate, and for that reason, if you want to enter those said roles/industries, you might be better off going to those schools.
For the record, the only reason I asked about management consulting was because in the earlier posts, Ahmad Ashkar, Hult student and acting President of the consulting club posted
"Bain and BCG are spin-offs of Arthur D. Little; we are the former Arthur D. Little School of Management, so I am sure one could deduct that we are as you say, "a core" school. "
In response to my statement
"I'm curious because I don't see Hult as a core school for McKinsey recruitment nor do McKinsey recruit on campus apparently."
So, that's why I asked you about management consulting.
I think all in all, if Hult is the best school you can get in, and you really want to do "international business development", then you should definitely go there. Unfortunately for me, since I've such a steep learning curve, I don't think I'll be able to attend Hult, this year, or next year, or even the year after...
Good luck then, I hope you enjoy your time at Hult and achieve whatever your post-MBA dreams might be, which would be going to semiconductors.
I guess you'll find out whether
"But I do believe HULT is currently a better choice compared with MBA program neither tradition top 30 in North American nor top 20 in Europe, and still moving forward its ranking step by step. "
May 29, 2010 08:50
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Maybe you are a little bit biased, let me give my reasons.
I have stated very clear in my two post above, the core issue of my explanation is that 1)at this stage or maybe in the next five years, HULT isnt suitable for every MBA seeker but just some few 2) Hult currently is only a better choice compared with MBA programs neither tradition top 30 in North American nor tradition top 20 in Europe.
if you have check the mentioned http://www.hult.edu/mba-program/your-career/accelerate-your-career , Id like to ask whether have you noticed the sentence of *Selected list of employers since 2001 in the lower left quarter , do you think is there someone naïve enough to think that the recruiter list is just only in last year?? Everybody has his own career plan, so he absolutely will ask the admission officer for detailed information of his ideal companies or industries. If the answer is negative or still vague, I think the applicant will surely make his own judgment for whether or not continue his application. For example, in my application case, I showed my doubt about the placement and she immediately sent more detailed version to me. Just so simple, is it your mentioned ethics or even lie??
Take a look at some other top programs in newest 2010 U.S NEWS FULL TIME MBA program ranking, lets focused on the similar level school instead of Magic 7. At first Its you who complain that one shouldnt compare HULT with INSEAD/LBS, why you be so self-contradictory to compare the career service with your sanctity??? Its make no sense and completely unfair!!
After compared HULTs (http://www.hult.edu/mba-program/your-career/accelerate-your-career , http://www.hult.edu/mba-program/your-career/statistics ) with the following school, whats your true feeling? Everybody is a liar or unethical???
Washington University in St. Louis (Olin) Full time MBA 2010 US news RANKING 19th
Ohio State University (Fisher) Full time MBA 2010 US news RANKING 21th
Georgia Tech Full time MBA 2010 US NEWS RANKING 26th
University of WisconsinMadison Full time MBA 2010 US NEWS RANING 27th
University of Notre Dame (Mendoza) Full time MBA 2010 US NEWS RANKING 31th
Boston University Full time MAB 2010 US NEWS RANKING 31th
Texas A&M Full time MBA 2010 US NEWS RANKING 33th
Boston College Full time MBA 2010 US NEWS RANKING 39th
And you mentioned that HULT are doing unethical things just because they are not transparent as your list LBS/MIT/CHICAGO/Wharton/Columbia, so you must have great interests in ethics issue, right? So lets talk about ethics. Tell me whats your motivation about going to Bain or other MC/IB/VC/PE which you are very proud of? The highest probability is that you just wanna to make more money in Bain, very simple, right? Are you heading to Bain to payback to the country or promote ethics in the society?? I knew one Chinese Guy abandon Wharton and choose Yale, just cause Yale is more prestigious for NGO career development, that kind of man is more suitable to talk about ethics! If you are working for a NGO instead of Bain POST-MBA, I think maybe you are more qualified to talk about ethics, right?
Moreover ,I have already mentioned HULT is too young for the accumulalted reputation of INSEAD/LBS/MIT/CHICAGO, for the highest salary recruiters especially MC/IB/PE/VC, they still need time to accept a new brand, however, with HULTs very high improvement speed, its just a matter of time and won't be very long!
My understanding of AASHKAR mentioned that HULT is core school of some consulting firms: Because of HULTs BOSTON location and its former nature of Arthur D. Little school(BCG comes from ADL, Bain comes from BCG), HULT consulting club members have more communication, networking or even interview chance compared with the same level school. Even though most of HULT students are not intend to enter into MC/IB, still HULT has alumni working in McKinsey/Bain/Deloitte consulting/Accenture/Glodman/Morgan Stanley, etc. If you wanna to know the details, drop a email to HULT career service or even HR in your Bain.
I major in EE for undergraduate and works in semiconductor industry, I have no clear idea about strategic thinking compared to you guys working in Bain as a consultant, however, Id like to share about my opinion about what's a good strategy!
Again, HULT is a young school, if he wants to catch up INSEAD/LBS/MIT/CHICAGO/COLUMBIA etc, he shouldnt only fully copy whats the top 10 are doing now, or even shouldnt follow the old rules of MBA market, if HULT try to identify its career service success with how many students land a job in MC/IB/VC/PE, its commit suicide! Especially in HULTs current young stage and the worldwide financial crisis!
Instead, HULT should break the too old rules of judge a school by how many of its students entering into MC/IB/VC/PE but follow a new role, thats means to enter into a more attractive and practical niche market! After success in the niche market for some times, maybe 5 to 10 years, HULT can decide whether or not to renew its position and strategy, to pay more attention to the so called up-scale red sea(MC/IB/VC/PE), as the brand reputation of HULT will already almost fully established then.
So the question is where is HULTs blue sea niche?? My opinion is the following combination:
1) international students who are interested in receiving a high quality MBA education in U.S(HULTs Boston or San Francisco campus) or emerging market(HULTs Dubai or Shanghai campus), who like to totally immersed on a very diversified environment to understand the true meaning of globalization
2) who already has a successful career path, want to stay in the current or related industry for POST-MBA, general speaking, not MC/IB/VC/PE. The opportunity cost for two years full time study is too high for them, so them prefer one year program
3) who has solid work experience(average of HULT is 7 years) compared with the average working experience of 3 to 4 years of other top U.S MBA program. For common 30 years old HULTer, they are a little bit old both for other top school and MC/IB/VC/PE.
4) whose GMAT is not very high (Three reason: 1. busy working 2. leaving school too long 3.dont care so spend little time in preparing GMAT) but dont care about scholarship
5) whose GMAT is 690 to 740 but do care about attractive scholarship/loan and value for money, sometimes they even cant afford the normal cost of other TOP U.S program. HULT can provide scholarship(up to half of tuition) and no-cosign loan(up to half of tuition), so for some candidate they only have to pay for the living cost. But for the total cost of other top programs, most of them no less than 170000 US dollars. Not everybody can pay for that money or easier for such high scholarship/loan especially in economy crisis and average dim career placement!
I think that most of HULT students meet most of the above criteria, so if HULT can help its niche students to achieve their goals, dont you think HULT is a very good choice for students and contribute to MBA education meanwhile? One can define HULT is a bad school only as HULT cant help its students to realize their career plan, but for the majority of HULT students, they are even not interested in land a job in MC/IB/VC/PE, so how can there be many HULT students start their first POST-MBA job in McKinsey/BCG/Goldman/Blackrock etc? There are many other great companies in the world, such as GE/Johnson&Johnson/IBM/P&G/Oracle/HSBC/Big Four, HULT alumni are already very active in these companies. My opinion is that as long as HULT efficiently and effectively helped its students to achieve its POST-MBA career, HULT deserve respect rather than despise, right?
You mentioned that if HULT is the best choice that I can get in
Id like to say that depends on your define of best, I got GMAT 700, 5 years working experience in a U.S semiconductor distributor, three years as a sales manager. I have great confidence that I can get other offers at least from some tradition top 30 U.S MBA programs, in fact I never applied other U.S school. One of my peers (a Chinese girls), she even got offer from Yale in 2008 but abandon it due to her family issue at that time. And I also knew at least another Chinese guy abandon Boston Colleges offer and choose HULT. So dont have bias or even look down upon HULT students only because of you are hired by Bain, OK? Truly smart people wont choose a MBA program only by its ranking but of course take into consideration of many complex issue.
Anyway, I don't wanna to offense you, just wanna explain the truth more clearly because maybe you are too familiar with top 10 program but less knowledge about the other choice.
In a nutshell
1. Don't assume what my motivations are. ;)
2. I'm reading you and I agree on the following points
i. Hult is not a good school for people that want to change careers into MC/IB/PE/VC/HF. It's not comparable to the traditional top 30 schools.
ii. At the moment, Hult isn't the best school, but who knows over time what will happen. It may possibly improve it's position.
iii. Students that would get the most out of Hult would be those that older, want to stay in their current industry (therefore a 1 year program) and would be overly concerned about the cost of things.
I think it can be summarized up to those points. :)
If we both do agree on those points, then it's all good!
Jun 01, 2010 10:46
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As we mentioned before, HULT made amazing improvement only after 2003, especially when its worldwide five campus, undergraduate/master/MBA/EMBA training system have been fully established in Late 2009, HULT definitely is too young to be recognized or even known well by some people and some recruiters. However, if someone dig more deep into HULT, maybe his perspective will be totally changed.
Let's return to your conclusion, though I don't agree with them, but I do appreciate your sharing:)
You mentioned"HULT is not a good school for people that want to change careers into MC/IB/PE/VC/HF."
I agree. Especially 1)for people have no related experience or really huge passion in these industries. 2)Current so high employment rate 3) HULT's current young stage
You mentioned "HULT is not comparable to the traditional top 30 schools."
I disagree. Firstly, it's depend on the definition of comparable. Secondly, if we assume that "not comparable equals to fall short of in almost every aspects", then my opinion is HULT is now, and in the next five years,
1)isn't comparable to TOP 15 MBA program in North American and TOP 5 MBA program in Europe.
2)for TOP16-TOP30 in North American and TOP6-TOP15 in Europe, choose whether HULT or these school have its own respective pros and cons. Choose which school should depend on the candidate's own detailed situation. However, genarally speaking, the overall benefit of choose these schools will overweight a little bit more than the option of HULT.
3)for TOP31-TOP50 in North American and TOP16-TOP30 in Europe, choose whether HULT or these school have its own respective pros and cons. Choose which school should depend on the candidate's own detailed situation. However, genarally speaking, the overall benefit of choose HULT will overweight a little bit more than the option of these schools.
4)For other choice compared to option of HULT, I would say HULT is a no brainer better choice.
You mentioned"At the moment, Hult isn't the best school, but who knows over time what will happen. It may possibly improve it's position"
I disagree. You used the word of "may possibly" and "who knows over time what will happen" sounds like very logical at the first glimpse, but I would say this is a more gerenal or even superficial conclusion, it's can be applicable to to every situation. For example, you can even use these words to evaluate the notion of "Harvard Business Scholl MBA will fall behind Boston College in the next 5 years" or "U.C Davis MBA will surpass U.C Berkerley in the next 5 years". So in my opinion, we can reach a more detailed evalution or prediction at this case. Because HULT's improvement speed already made its rising trend very clear, depends on its current position and comparative speed, we can roughly calculate its approximate rank in the next 5 to 10 years. However, I surely won't push people to accept my judgments, even I firmly believe my great confidence is based on enough information. Everbody can has his own opinion.
You mentioned"Students that would get the most out of Hult would be those that older, want to stay in their current industry (therefore a 1 year program) and would be overly concerned about the cost of things."
I partly agree. Firstly, your used words of current industry should be changed into current or related industry, or similar fuction in different industry. Secondly, I should say it's just my opinion, because I'm just a confirmed students, I think current students such as the president of HULT consulting club is most qualified to share their opinion. PS: I should state my opinion that even most of the alumni are not very qualified to evaluate because HULT changed/improved too quickly, too many things happened even one year after Alumni's graduation, not to mention some alumni graduated three or five years ago or even before 2003.
Moreover, I should add up that when people compared HULT with other TOP school in terms of POST-MBA salary, employment rate, etc. Never forget that around 90% of HULT students are not from the United States, but the figure is around 30% to 40% for other top programs...
Anyway, really appreciate your sharing, we are together to help anybody who is interested in HULT to make his right decision(no matter apply or not at the end).
That was a quick response as expected.
So in my opinion, we can reach a more detailed evalution or prediction at this case. Because HULT's improvement speed already made its rising trend very clear, depends on its current position and comparative speed, we can roughly calculate its approximate rank in the next 5 to 10 years. However, I surely won't push people to accept my judgments, even I firmly believe my great confidence is based on enough information. Everbody can has his own opinion.
And what do you think Hult's approximate rank will be in the next 5 to 10 years? Who will go down in the rankings to make space for Hult? To be honest, even schools like Yale SOM took ages to move up in ranking - I'm not belittling Hult, but what I'm saying that it will take a lot of time, maybe even 15 to 20 years before, any material and significant ranking progress is made (breaking into the top 20 us/world).
Remember, Hult may have momentum now, but may not have momentum 5 years from now - leaving it stagnant at where it is.
Secondly, I should say it's just my opinion, because I'm just a confirmed students, I think current students such as the president of HULT consulting club is most qualified to share their opinion.
Given that President of the Hult Consulting Club was not very clear, and borderline misleading - I don't think he's that qualified. To be honest, I think despite your fervant believe in Hult, your approach were very much better than other Hult cheerleaders that I've met (although, you write a lot! :) )
Now that, the Hult discussions is done with. I'm particularly curious to why despite having a Chinese name, you're not headed for a Chinese school - knowing that China will continue to be the growth engine for this generation.
2010 Financial Times Global MBA Rankings for International Business
Hult IBS is ranked ahead of IMD, Manchester Business School, University of Southern California: Marshall and London Business School
Top schools by subject
Published: January 25 2010 00:01 | Last updated: January 25 2010 00:01
Top schools by subject
Top for international business
1 Thunderbird School of Global Management
2 University of South Carolina: Moore
3 Georgetown University: McDonough
4 Insead
5 George Washington University
6 Hult International Business School
8 Manchester Business School
9 University of Southern California: Marshall
10 London Business School
Lets put this issue to bed:
2010 Financial Times Global MBA Rankings for International Business
Hult IBS is ranked ahead of IMD, Manchester Business School, University of Southern California: Marshall and London Business School
Just curious, if the rankings are that good... then how many people turned down LBS for Hult? I for one wouldn't do that. I like how you come into the conversation and choose a ranking that would suit your cause the best.
Why don't we look at the Global MBA rankings? Where the actual MBAs are ranked?
Oh look, LBS is #1, and... Hult is #94...
Don't be such a rankings whore, nobody was talking about rankings in that manner. And even your future student agrees that Hult at the moment isn't comparable to the top 15 USA and top 5 (rest of the world).
Jun 03, 2010 02:10
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One thing that has not been brought up in this conversation so far is one of the main reasons I chose to enroll in Hult.
In the last few years I have taken about 7 figures off of "traders" who, unable or unaware of their ability to open their eyes and synthesize strategies based on their own observations, merely followed the herd whose "analysis" consists of reading magazines.
The last way I wanted to spend my MBA classroom experience was in a room full of "yes men" who paid admissions consultants or had perfected the art of self-promotion to talk themselves past the most selective adcoms.
I wanted to go to school with people of substance, of opinion, of conviction, who had goals and ideas, and who were looking to pursue concrete goals instead of a patch to cover their own feelings of inadequacy and hopefully scratch out a few extra bucks.
Fishball, your attitude is beginning to remind me of the old drunk trying to weasel a way into not leaving the bar. What are YOUR goals? Are you even a prospective MBA student? These folks have taken time from extremely busy schedules to address your concerns.
From the standpoint of someone who intends to start a company that could eventually grow into a world leader, people who get self-justification from joining some firm that everyone knows about or going to the most famous school do not inspire much respect. They are trying to latch on to others' successes rather than creating their own. Why would I want a network of people like that?
Do you want to be a consultant? Find a business, identify a problem, devise a solution, and sell it to them. Do you think the average business owner is going to care about you because you work for a firm that made all their money before you joined it?
fishball, et all,
One thing that has not been brought up in this conversation so far is one of the main reasons I chose to enroll in Hult.
In the last few years I have taken about 7 figures off of "traders" who, unable or unaware of their ability to open their eyes and synthesize strategies based on their own observations, merely followed the herd whose "analysis" consists of reading magazines.
The last way I wanted to spend my MBA classroom experience was in a room full of "yes men" who paid admissions consultants or had perfected the art of self-promotion to talk themselves past the most selective adcoms.
I wanted to go to school with people of substance, of opinion, of conviction, who had goals and ideas, and who were looking to pursue concrete goals instead of a patch to cover their own feelings of inadequacy and hopefully scratch out a few extra bucks.
Dear Wilcoxson
There are two parts to your post and I will keep them separated and address them accordingly. If you choose to believe that Hult is filled with people with independent thought, of people who are living on the edge - of men and women of conviction. If Hult is the only school that has people with concrete goals, then so be it.
You may have taken 7-figures off "traders" who are unable come up with a decent strategy - in that way you're a success. That's fine. In fact, I'll congratulate you on your success. I'm pretty sure you've got the credentials and ability to attend the best school with the best of the best - and after your careful analysis of the situation, you've realized that Hult is leaps and bounds ahead of all other business schools. Again, that's really ok - congratulations on your decision to attend Hult.
Fishball, your attitude is beginning to remind me of the old drunk trying to weasel a way into not leaving the bar. What are YOUR goals? Are you even a prospective MBA student? These folks have taken time from extremely busy schedules to address your concerns.
From the standpoint of someone who intends to start a company that could eventually grow into a world leader, people who get self-justification from joining some firm that everyone knows about or going to the most famous school do not inspire much respect. They are trying to latch on to others' successes rather than creating their own. Why would I want a network of people like that?
Do you want to be a consultant? Find a business, identify a problem, devise a solution, and sell it to them. Do you think the average business owner is going to care about you because you work for a firm that made all their money before you joined it?
Dear Wilcoxson
I would suggest that you use less offensive analogies. You my friend, are like the bystander standing behind the ropes, shouting out obsceneties to a person who you don't know because you feel you've been wronged.
I'm just curious though, how you know that "these folks have taken time from an extremely busy schedule" but I haven't? Regardless, my goals are world domination, alternatively I'm planning on getting involved with the flesh trade - I'm pretty sure I can make more than 7 figures, besides, I'll still be taking it off "traders"... even those like yourself.
I hope you actually are able to establish something that grows into a world leader, but I don't have much faith in that. But nevertheless, all the best with your future endeavours - thanks for pointing out that people only go to certain schools and firms because they're "branded", I guess I was wrong in thinking that it could be the quality of education, the job opportunities, the network, and any other factors. Guess it just boils down to that all those people are just shallow and going there for the brand...
Jun 03, 2010 08:33
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In my search for an appropriate MBA program I have met some amazing students with nearly jaw-dropping abilities and backgrounds from schools you see in the newspaper. In addition I have met many as I described earlier: no clear goals, no internship set up before mid April, riding the coattails of their school, etc. In addition, there is always the Harvard mentality of "everything I need to know occurred to me already." I see that I overstated these observations with the "room FULL of..." comment, and I appreciate your bringing this to my attention.
As our school is not the best known, I see how you might take my decision as the result of what I "choose" to believe. This could not be further from the truth. In fact, the highly-ranked, flashy school that I was originally most excited to attend, the one that fit my lifestyle the best, where lifelong loyalties existed, with an astronomical endowment (the really shrewd researcher will be able to guess which one from this description), proved to be quite a poor fit as I met more students and professors.
Is HULT the only school with a body of highly motivated students? I doubt it. But I didn't find a better fit over significant, albeit not exhaustive, research. If I could narrow my decision down to a few factors, they would be what I believe to be unsurpassed international exposure, losing a paycheck for only 1 year, and the aforementioned students motivated to build the brand rather than cash in on it.
Anyone who belongs at a top business school (hell, even yourself, I bet) can see the logical leaps of your overstatement of my case, so I will spare the list the nuts and bolts of this analysis. I don't really get your analogy as I am neither a bystander nor do I see the obscenity comparison.
If you are in fact a prospective MBA student, and you would care to share an honest bit about your real goals (perhaps you even have a real name i.e. Ahmad, Andy, or Josh) I would be more than happy to share anything relevant to your situation from my research. All good vibes from this end. Regarding your curiosity as to how I know more about people I know than those I don't, it's because I know them.
Perhaps you would care to help me understand the nuances of the difference between perceived job opportunities/the network vs. the brand? To my thinking, you make your own opportunities, and your network consists of everyone you happen across/make a point to meet, regardless of their school.
But why need to do real maths anyways?
I like people with conviction for themselves. The world we are living today was built by men of dedication, of daring and also of a sense of humanity.
To go after a brand or even hide after it proves your inner inferiority and slavery.
True education would teach people to dare and to act to your darest. Failed education churns out another factory-manufactured product sometimes under the name havard or yale.
Jun 03, 2010 11:38
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A piece of advice for all interested in international business: an employer will ask "what can you do for me?" If the answer is simply, "I have a degree in international business" the employer will ask again, "Yes, I understand that. But what can you do for me?"
No matter the school you choose to earn your MBA in international business or your Global MBA, be certain to also gain a functional expertise in addition to the broad understanding of international business. IE 5 advanced courses in international finance or 5 advanced courses in international marketing (functional expertise in finance or marketing: using global case studies to gain the expertise).
Also be certain, especially if you are doing a career focus change, that the school has a significant internship program where you can gain international business work experience first-hand. Ask about the school's internship program. Ask what students have done in their internships; be certain it is not simply an "administrative" internship where you do minor assignments etc. Too often the perception of the word "internship" is taken at the undergrad level meaning yes, you can work here as an intern but we will have you doing assistant type work.
Check to see a) if the school has a bonafide internship that is a required part of the curriculum; b) how long the internship must be- 3 months full-time means time to do signficant work; 1 month is too short to really add value; c) how many credits does the internship count for in the curriculum -- if it is not for credit, there may be no guarantee that you will be doing work in the company that adds significant value to the company -- ie a major project in finance or marketing that you are responsible for in addition to other tasks and shadowing VPs etc.; d) what assistance is provided in getting you the internship; e) is it required that the internship be outside your home country (which makes it truly global for you).
In addition to the full-time internship where you gain global work experience, does the program require a Global Travel Seminar where you study a region, its culture and business policies and economy and then go to that country and visit companies? Many schools offer these and they are excellent. Also ask, in the Global Travel Seminar, do I just go and visit a company and listen to a presentation about the company, or are there live case studies at the companies where myself and fellow MBAs or Global MBAs are required to present solutions to the case study to the company's executives?
One should also ask the accreditation of the business school. AACSB is the standard for excellence. You can google AACSB and then look at the list of accredited schools by geographical location alphabetically.
When you see rankings, ask what goes in to the rankings. Go beyond the rankings and make sure the program will give you what you need for your career path.
Ask, who will be my faculty/teacher in the core MBA classes I must take? The Stats course and the Marketing course and the Operations course...........will I have a TA or will I have a tenure-track faculty member? Even if you have a fellowship/scholarship from the school and have a free-ride (hard to come by!), you are still making an investment of time. At the graduate level, you want faculty - be they tenure track or adjuncts hired because they work in the field and have the current expertise in the field.
These are suggestions and things to consider.
There are many excellent programs!
Since I am from Suffolk in Boston: I will add:
www.globalmba.typepad.com GMBA Internship Blog:
GMBAs are in 10 countries this summer.
I will study MBA in 2011. Nowadays, I ask my friends's opionions, so, I get information on this school. Sorry troubling you.
Sep 23, 2010 05:50
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These are absolutely false statements about Suffolk University.
You do Hult International Business School, current students, future students of either Hult or Suffolk, an absolute disservice by publishing negative comments about another school - especially comments that are blatently false. Please see accurate information below about the Suffolk MBA and graduate programs; and the University in general.
1. Suffolk University is not a for-profit school.
2. Suffolk University does not recruit every applicant.
3. It is true that some students at Suffolk may have taken the GMAT twice. Most take it once. Extremely few would have taken it multiple times. Suffolk considers it a benefit to applicants who may have "test anxiety" or individuals for whom English is a second language, to be able to take the GMAT a second time.
4. Suffolk's admission process is need-blind. You do not have to have money to apply or be accepted to the University.
5. Scholarships are in the form of "Graduate Fellowships". All admitted students are automatically considered for a graduate fellowship. Criteria for the awards are GMATscore and cumulative GPA.
There are 2 kinds of fellowship awards: full-tuition and half-tuition. The amounts are not negotiable.
Suffolk indicates a preferred deadline for fellowship/scholarship consideration. It is to the benefit of applicants to apply by that date. If they apply later, there may or may not be monies left available.
Suffolk also provides a suggested deadline for a student to accept the award and commit to coming to Suffolk. We do allow more time if the student asks. However, consider that if someone decides not to accept the award, that money may then be available to an individual who applies a bit late - when the monies available for that semester may have been depleted. In no instance is a fellowship or scholarship amount raised because someone waits to accept it. Applying later may mean there is no money left. Accepting your scholarship later will not raise the amount.
I have to believe that the Hult administration would not endorse you representing the school by giving false and negative information out about another school - especially on a public site, on a discussion board named "Hult International Business School."
I believe readers benefit from these discussion boards by seeing information that helps them make decisions about which program fits their needs, suggestions for taking the GMAT, etc. Please read my previous posts.
Again, publishing false or negative statements about another university helps no one. There are many fine MBA Programs in the Boston area and in the states. Some are in the "rankings"; some are not. Individuals deserve honest information to base their decisions on. Your statements are harmful in so many ways, to so many individuals, to Hult and to Suffolk.
Sep 23, 2010 10:26
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Firstly, to Mr Hallberg(Dean, MBA Programs of Suffolk University)
1: Sorry but I have to say this is a discussion board named "Hult International Business School." Maybe its not very suitable for you to post promotional advertisement for Suffolk MBA, if you wanna more people to know about your school, you can open a new discussion board named Suffolk MBA or you can join other discussions such as MBA in Boston.
2: There is no evidence to judge the guy highered is related to Hult, so if he post some misleading information to Suffolk University, you should talk directly with this guy instead of guessing whether he represents Hult. It's unfair.
Secondly, to people who are interested in pursue MBA in Boston, I should say as Mr Hallberg mentioned, other than Harvard/MIT, there are also many other good MBA programs in Boston.
Personally, I think some of the good choices are Boston College/Boston University/Babson College/Northeastern University/Hult International Business School/Suffolk University/Bentley College, just to name a few.
Furthmore, you cant just simply say which one is good or bad, you should choose a MBA program fit you most. For example, if you are really interested in Entrepreneurship, I suggest you to consider Babson; If you are interested in a school with the best undergraduate program/best reputation in Finance industry, I suggest you to consider Boston College. If you are interested in Accounting, I suggest you to consider Bentley/Suffolk. If you are interested in international business, I suggest you to consider Hult, which is a truly global school(1:Hult has five campuses in Boston/SanFrancisco/London/Dubai/Shanghai 2:Hults global rotation program allow you study in at most 3 campuses during your MBA 3:Hults truly international students body(Boston campus this year enroll 184 MBA students which come from 48 countries, London campus this year enroll 101 MBA students which come from 38 countries, etc I just give one example, 6 people in my team are coming from 6 countries!!!!). Also, if you are interested in consulting, Hult can also help you a lot not only because Hult come from Arthur D. Little, which is the worlds earliest and best management consulting firm but also Hults consulting club is really amazing, Ill explain more details later.
As highered mentioned the for-profit school, Im definitely sure that neither Hult nor Suffolk is a for-profit school, for example, you can check whether Hult is for-profit or not from Massachusetts government website: http://www.charities.ago.state.ma.us/ You can never judge a school for-profit or not only by its tuition fee. Hult indeed charge premium price for its MBA program, however, all the surplus are spent on the program itself as required by law after its non-profit registration, Hult did spend huge money to improve facility or hire better professor in the last three years. Everyone in Hult family is really passionate to be one of the best B-school in the world, even Hult brand is relatively new compared to most of our competitors.
We know we are still far behind Insead, but we are striving to learn from and do hope oneday can surpass Insead!( why choose Insead as a benchmark: also a 1-year MBA/ truly globalization/ very good reputation in consulting industry). If Hult wanna be make money as a for-profit school, that will be very easy, just as the University of Phoneix did in the last ten years of providing online course, however, Hult never provide any kind of online program.
Hult's amazing improvement since 2007 are also recognized by the whole MBA community, thats why Hult was ranked NO.27 worldwide in Economists newest Annual MBA ranking( http://www.economist.com/whichmba ), and ranked NO.94 worldwide in Financial Timess newest Annual MBA ranking( http://rankings.ft.com/businessschoolrankings/global-mba-rankings).
In fact, Hult is a school which care much about social responsibility. As you can see from http://www.hult.edu/news/Press/ClintonGlobalInitiative.html, Hult today announced together with Clinton Global Initiative (a charity foundation by former president Bill Clinton, more details http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/), that Hult will donate 1 Million US$ to the foundation.
Specifically, Hult and Clinton foundation will co-host Hult Annual Global Case Challenge in March 2011, which will take place simultaneously across all of the Hults five campuses in Boston, San Francisco, London, Dubai and Shanghai. More than 100 teams from business schools all over the world will compete to develop the most innovative solution to a real problem faced by a Clinton Global Initiative member in implementing their solution to a pressing global issue. The winning team will then see their solution being put into action with the support of the US$1 million prize provided by Hult. In recognition of this commitment, President Bill Clinton and Hults Chairman Bertil Hult will award the winning team their prize and encourage them to put their ideas into action with CGI and Hults help.
In fact, the First Hult Annual Global Case Challenge took place in March 2010, during which teams from top business schools all over the world including Harvard, INSEAD, Cambridge, Oxford, Columbia, MIT, Wharton, LBS and Carnegie Mellon compete to solve a problem faced by One Laptop Per Child(NGO). The inaugural winner was a team from Carnegie Mellon University.
You can check more details from the Global case challenges website www.hultglobalcasechallenge.com.
For the GMAT score issue, Im sure neither Hult nor Suffolks students is around 400 level, I dont details about Suffolk, but you can clearly check that average GMAT of Hult students enrolled last year is 610(http://www.economist.com/whichmba/2010/hult-international-business-school), the score of my peers(which just finished the first month of MBA) is even higher due to the schools consistent improvement year by year. By the way, GMAT isn't a good way to judge a person's level especially for people choose 1-year program because they have more working experience(the average age for Hult MBA is 30 years).
Anyway, Dean Hallberg, if Suffolk's MBA are interested in participating in the Hult Global Case Challenge, just ask your students to register at www.hultglobalcasechallenge.com (more details will be released on this dedicated website later), or if Suffolk MBA also have a consulting club, they are definitely welcome to Hult anytime for communication&cooperation. They can contact HULT Consulting club by [email protected]
If anyone wanna to know about the background info of Hult MBA students, just take a look at http://www.linkedin.com/company/hult-international-business-school, over half of current students are on Linkedin. Tks
Sep 24, 2010 02:03
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My point to "higher" was that he/she does a disservice to both Hult and Suffolk by providing false information. I said Hult would not be happy with having negative or false information about another school on their discussio board and, as a student of Hult, you clarified that. This was the only place I could answer Higher and correct the false statements for the readers of this discussion board.
I don't advertise on this board rather participate by providing thoughtfiul suggestions on GMAT, questions to think about etc. It is similar to when I participate on panels with other universities. But when I see false statements I must correct them, as I'm certain you would about Hult.
Many thanks for the invitations at the end of your post. I continue to believe those looking for an MBA in the Boston area have a large array of excellent choices.
Sep 24, 2010 04:13
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HULT is indeed owned by EF, a for-profit education company (the largest in the world, in fact). This is one of the factors that most attracted me to HULT, as it gives us much more agility (and the staff much more accountability) than the public/private university system. This agility is reflected in the Economist's new rankings, which place us at 27th in the world.
I wonder if the readers of this list consider how badly one must actually screw up in order to get fired from your typical University.
As for highered's points, I am sorry his/her friend was unable to have a career at HULT, and I hope that person has found a better fit in the job market. Contrary to highered's projection, I would not expect to see anyone in the 400's at a HULT campus. We do have a few students in the 500's at the London campus, but most have very interesting backgrounds and have provided quite interesting cultural insight.
Yes, we do recruit aggressively--a fact that is rapidly increasing our student quality. My profile is detailed above, and I am amazed by the opportunities my decision to attend HULT is affording me.
I am not a cheerleader, and I would never intentionally steer a prospective student wrong. I invite interested parties to contact me directly for my balanced, candid opinions of this program. The email address I am most comfortable broadcasting over the internet can be derived from goodsweettea"at"nospamhotmail.com.
Sep 30, 2010 03:07
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Hult was the last option if you did not get any acceptance by other top business schools. My boy friend applied over 5 schools last year, all are rejected except HULT. He studies in San Francisco now. Though his GMAT was low, he are offered scholarship, far exceeds his expectation. Why not consider it as last option?
As far as I know, many applicants got scholarship from Hult, however, only those with both high GMAT and good working experience got truly attractive scholarship hehe. Considering that Hult charge premium tuition fee, your boyfriend still have to pay a lot of money for Hult MBA after the regular scholarship which is applicable to some applicants. You know what I mean:)
At the current stage, to be frank, some Hult applicant do take advantage of the opportunity that Hult is still relatively young and some outstanding candidates are still skeptical of Hult. Or we can say it will be very difficult for some Hultian to get into the tradition top 15 MBA programs.
However, good days wont last forever, as Hult improved rapidly after 2007, so did the quality of Hultian consequently.
So far as I know, in 2007, when Hult first started its worldwide expansion, seems like around 15% Hultian in took advantage of the new brand of Hult, the ratio drop down to around 7% this year(which is my classmates).
With the obvious amazing upward trend of Hult MBA quality and influence, I personally believe 3 years later(2013 will be the year for the school see its 10 years anniversary rename to Hult ) the ratio will go down below 5%.
In 2018, after the school renamed as Hult for 15 years, Hult MBA will become a worldwide well-known and prestigious brand, plus unarguable status of NO.1 in its niche of International Business focus.
At that time, every Hultian will be qualified for any other tradition top 15 MBA programs! Your boyfriend will be very proud even as an alumnus then:)
Cheers, Hultian!
1) Why it is american degree but no AASCB?
2) My friends in Boston says HULT campus is not "real" campus. It is in the "Building"? Is it true?
3) No campus facilities. Sports, Library... Is it true?
4) I spoke with few alumnis in Singapore few months ago. One of them told me graduate placement was bad last year. Is it true?
5) Alumnis seem not positive on this program when i spoke with them.Can anyone tell me more?
2. Yes all of Hult campuses are buildings not campuses in the traditional sense. That is because Hult is not part of a bigger university.
3. No physical library. But a large database of online resources. Hult students have access to libraries in other nearby universities. When I was at Hult this included MIT.
4. The published stats are down as with all other business schools. But remain around 75% employed after 3 months which is not bad for a one-year program right now. In a good year the stats were 85%,which is comparable to many 2 year US programs that leave a lot of the 2nd year free for job hunting. In my year the program was so intense many of my classmates only looked for a job right before graduation because they amply didn't have time during the program. We complained the workload was too high.
5. As with all schools some are some aren't. From my experience the ones that are happiest are those who did their due diligence before applying and made sure the program met their objectives. As you can see from this thread there are plenty of alumni like me that are happy. And very positive on the direction the achool is taking.
1) AASCB requires all programs to be offered at all locations...Hult has 5 (rumor is more to come) campuses that have different masters programs on different campuses, plus undergraduate in London...They can only qualify for AASCB once or if they stop growing so each degree program can be offered at each location of the school
2) Boston campus is located inside the EF Boston building, currently occupying 2 floors (of 5). EF is owned by Bertil Hult....found an article in Boston Herald that talks about a new HUGE project for a new campus in Boston...currently on hold, but soon to be built (http://news.bostonherald.com/business/real_estate/view/20100930allstonbrighton_steps_up_with_big-city_projects/srvc=home&position=also)
3) No library is true...but access to an "electronic Database" that has EVERYTHING a library would and subscription based magazines like McKinsey Quarterly and Harvard Business Review...Hult is not a research school meaning no PhD programs, so take that for what its worth...other facilities are all in place (no healthclub, but I visited Boston campus, great pub and restaraunt, and cafeteria in building with executive chef)
4) Poorer students complain a lot, i wonder why they let these complainers into the program. most alumns i spoke with have jobs or started their own companies...
5) Talk to more alumns, the crowd you have been intouch with were probably among the "rotten" bunch
hope this helps...please share any more info you find that will shed more light on your questions as you continue your research
Oct 02, 2010 12:59
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I'm not sure what you mean by "better" alumni network. We are the most international business school in the world. People come here to meet amazing business professionals from everywhere. Last night, I had some classmates over to my flat. Canada, Italy, Iran, Spain, Germany, Tunisia, South Africa, USA, Japan, India, and Dubai were all represented. There are a total of 42 countries represented in my program. I do not know of a school with so much international exposure.
Again, I don't understand exactly your point in bringing up the GMAT. Is the implication that you scored too high to go to HULT? I did get a 680 on one practice test...while I was very drunk. All my other practice tests and my official were about 100 points higher than that. Plenty of my classmates smoked you on the GMAT as well. One of my friends here got a 55 on math.
I know of several schools that have amazing connections and put wonderful resources behind their most talented students. HULT is certainly one of them.
On your second to last sentence, different factors are important to different people. The important thing is to find a school that meets your needs as an individual.
To address the other fellow's point about job placement, no school is going to "place" you in a job. Ok, maybe in some communist countries. If you are talented, show up prepared, and study hard you will have no trouble getting an awesome job.


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The Moses Bridge
Located in the village of Halsteren in the Netherlands is the uniquely designed Moses Bridge. During the Austrian War of Succession (1740–1748), Fort de Roovere was under siege by the French. The fort was strategically surrounded by a moat with no bridge for defense.
As part of a recent restoration, the fort required the addition of an access bridge. Out of respect for the fort's original island status, the bridge was constructed with this fascinating design. Since the bridge sits flush with the line of the soil and water, it is almost invisible. Because of its unique design, it acquired the name of the "Moses Bridge" as it partially immerses pedestrians into the moat with the water blocked on both sides.
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Antofagasta to Combine Copper Mines in Chile to Cut Costs
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July 2 (Bloomberg) -- Antofagasta Plc, the copper producer controlled by Chile's billionaire Luksic family, will cut jobs and costs by combining its El Tesoro and Esperanza mines under a new company Minera Centinela.
The mines in the Centinela region will begin coming under one management starting next week, Andrew Lindsay, a London- based director at Antofagasta, said in an interview. As many as 35 management positions will be removed, and the integration will be completed by October, he said.
Antofagasta seeks to develop the Esperanza Sur and Encuentro projects "over the coming years" as part of the overall development of the Centinela mining district, Lindsay said. It estimates about $2.7 billion of investment will be needed to produce an additional 140,000 metric tons of copper annually from the projects, he said. The company will decide on the investment by 2016 and start production from 2019.
Antofagasta will keep its annual output at about 700,000 tons before increasing it to 900,000 tons in 2018. Production at the 85,000-ton Antucoya project will start next year to replace the Michilla mine that will shut in 2015.
Antofagasta, which forecasts its net production costs to increase 6.6 percent to $1.45 a pound this year, expects copper prices to start rising from next year. The current price of about $3 a pound is "the floor level," Lindsay said.
"We think we are at the bottom of the copper price cycle," Lindsay said in the interview yesterday. "It will recover in the next couple of years and it will go up again and we are lucky that Antucoya will start production just when copper prices are taking off."
Andre Sougarret, the current general manager of Esperanza, will run the new company, Lindsay said.
Antofagasta, which is seeking alternative energy sources, will supply about 20 percent of the electricity needs for Los Pelambres, its largest mine, from a wind-power plant starting in the second half of this year, Lindsay said. Pelambres produced 405,300 tons of the company's total 721,200 tons of copper last year.


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I feel like the internet needs this - so I'm breaking my rule of only posting originals.
I love this gif but it always drove me nuts that it didn't loop right and there was a big janky watermark in the corner. (Sorry CW The KXVO15 KXVO.COM but that shit is obnoxious. One is forgivable, three on top of each other is a goddamned sin.)
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Just as reported, it seems that Sebastian Telfair is indeed moving to the Toronto Raptors. According to Chris Broussard of ESPN, Hamed Haddadi will be headed the other way:
Sebastian Telfair to Toronto For Hamed Haddadi deal done, source says
— Chris Broussard (@Chris_Broussard) February 21, 2013
Telfair will be a welcome addition in Toronto, as he will add more depth to the Raptors backcourt.
Update: According to Broussard, the Raptors also send a second-round pick to the Suns.
Stay tuned to KJG as we continue to track the latest trade rumors.