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What Would You Do??
- Davwud Jan 2, 2009 06:10 AM
Hey Hounds
So here's the thing. How do you keep yourself safe and not offend anyone.
My in-laws have no concept of food safety. When I visit I try to do all the cooking and try to keep things as fresh and safe as possible. It doesn't always work as I found out on Monday but that's another story.
So this morning I awoke to the smell of onions cooking on the stove. I knew that meant my FIL decided to cook breakfast. I also knew that two things would be included in this breakfast. First of all, yesterday afternoon he cooked some potatoes. After they're cooked, he drains the water and they live on the stove until consumed. Secondly, he has ham in the fridge. We've been down here a week and it was there before we got here. I haven't had any intention of eating it because I don't know how long it's been in there. It's been over a week now.
If I don't eat it my FIL will be upset. If I do, my stomach will be upset (And/or worse).
So how would you handle this??
next time.....Offer to take everyone out for breakfast at a popular place known for their breakfasts in the area.
re: Davwud
New suggestion:
Take that attitude & syntax to the FIL. He'd probably throw up his hands and surrender.
No need to rip a suggestion from someone trying to assist.
re: jfood
Sorry jfood. I wasn't ripping it. I'm just pointing out that it's not gonna happen. Both because he's an early riser and secondly because he gets these ideas in his head and won't take no for an answer.
Today he asked us if we could do something that was completely unreasonable and then got all offended when we said no.
My FIL will not look upon anything as anything other than a "He doesn't like my food" insult. If you explain to him that the food might have cooties, he's gonna say "No, it's alright."
re: Davwud
I was hoping to beat him into the kitchen this morning but no luck.
re: Davwud
not to worry.
there seem to be more issues than the cooked ham, like the ham cooking. jfood's mom made turkey for him once when he he visited, which was also the last time he ate there, and she was so proud that she woke up at 5 to cook the turkey and she had it sitting out since it came out of theoven at 930AM on the counter in the sun and it was now 530PM.
The jfoods would not eat it and simply explained that they did not want to risk eating a turkey sitting on the counter for 7 hours. Was she offended? Yup. But c'est la vie.
So either take the heat for telling him you'd prefer not eating it, explain why, eat it and take a chance, or move it around the plate.
Either suck it up or suck it in.
re: jfood
If it were my dad I'd have no problem saying something. Even considering how sensitive he is. But when it's my FIL I feel a certain need for respect.
I don't mind how he cooks the ham. He's old, diabetic and has heart problems. He needs to watch his fat intake. If I know when the ham was cooked, I'll use it no problem. Ham biscuits, red eye gravy and such.
The handling of all the food in the house that I don't have control over is a problem. If only from an ick factor. Food left uncovered for days that dries out and/or get's an icky skin on it. It's all just gross.
Their handling of utensils, cooking vessels and plates, etc. is also an issue for me. I wash everything before I use it. Always. I never know. MIL has Alzheimer's and will load the dish washer then when full, unload it without ever running a cycle.
They so need to be in a home or at least have some assistance in home but will have nothing to do with it. If you ask them, "We can look after ourselves." My FIL still doesn't believe the doctor who said that he had a stroke. After all, what would a doctor know??? LOL.
Happy New Year jfood.
re: Davwud
Very nice D.
Jfood just returned from FL visiting MIL with the exact different problem. The kiychen is like an autoclave. It's the only house in the FL the ants boycot, not that that is so bad.
Happy New Year to you and yours as well.
If you read this thread, you might relax a little :)
re: c oliver
I've already read and posted about it.
Sorry. I don't complicate my life like this:
"If I don't eat it my FIL will be upset. If I do, my stomach will be upset (And/or worse)."
There is ABSOLUTELY no question in my mind what I would do about this. Do NOT eat the ham. Do not EVER compromise your health. If you do, it is YOUR fault, not someone else's fault if you are scared of them being "mad." Do not tiptoe around the subject. your health is not something to tiptoe around. LET THEM KNOW or else, again, you only have yourself to blame. Take responsibilty for YOURSELF - you will be MUCH happier if you do.
re: gordeaux
Yeah, I'd be polite though. I'd probably be like "That ham is still here?! How long have you had it?" and then if he says "2 months, it's fine" I'd be like "nah, I won't risk it ta".
Day old potatoes are not too bad, but I'd put them in the microwave overnight because it's airtight (and I cant stand cold potatoes)
I wouldn't eat that food. I just wouldn't. Or, more likely, I couldn't. I feel queasy just thinking about it. And, it's enough of a priority to me that I would bite the bullet and risk having my ILs miffed at me in order to explain to them, politely, why.
I've had a similar situation before with my MIL, who was of the generation who thought it was just peachy to thaw ground beef out on the counter all day long. I told her, gently, why I wouldn't eat it. She wasn't happy with me. She got over it, but, honestly, if she hadn't...as long as I was respectful and kind in explaining my point of view, I don't much care. I'd rather be healthy, and I'm a grown-up. Ultimately, my safety and welfare is up to me, and if I get sick by doing something I believe to be risky, it's my own responsibility.
Carbohydrates like rice and potato are quintessential breeding grounds for bad bacteria. That bothers me much more than the ham, even. Though, knowing me, I probably would have found a way to sneak around in the fridge and see if the ham had a use-by date on it (although--you didn't say whether it was still packaged or if it had been previously cooked and this was the left-over ham).
So...whadja decide to do? And, most importantly, are you feeling all right? Chances are you'll be okay, if you did eat it. I know that sounds contradictory to my rant, Davwud; it's just that I don't take chances with food, if I can help it.
re: Steady Habits
I had food poisoning as a kid. I have to be careful. I don't have to be militant about it but certain things can trigger a steady parade to the bathroom. So I try to be good about things.
The ham in question is a regular ham that he brings home and boils to get rid of a lot of fat. He then carves it up and puts it in the fridge. Most of the time it's not covered or if it is, it's loosely covered with aluminum foil. I always kid Mrs. Sippi that they feel that if the cooties can't see it, it'll be okay.
Anyway, I had tried to be diligent on Monday with things. Somehow (I think it was an egg) I ate something wrong and ended up sitting in the bathroom lamenting my choices.
This morning was actually pretty easy. I waited until they were out of the kitchen. I dirtied up a plate and put it in the sink. Mrs. Sippi wouldn't eat it either. She told me to put it in a container and put it in the fridge. "They'll never know." So that's what I did.
re: Davwud
I'm so glad you found a way through that minefield.
I understand your POV, completely. I wrote previously on another thread about a friend who contracted E Coli. Six weeks in the hospital, recovered *mostly*, but now a compromised immune system for life. Foodborne illnesses, food poisoning, all those things...just not worth it. Now...I'm yer basic New Englander, which means, the older I get, the more plain-speaking I get, but I understand, too, that these are your in-laws and sometimes that requires a deft touch on the diplomatic front. Sounds like you're better at that than I am! So I'm glad you avoided risk to life and limb and were able to preserve the family relationships. :-) P.S. I liked the fact that your FIL boils off the fat, but, in my little bubble, sliced ham goes in the freezer if not consumed within two or three days. (I figure that practice goes in my favor to counteract the fact that two boisterous retrievers like to jump up and put their paws on the counter while they see if there's anything they'd like to graze upon.)
re: Steady Habits
I buy whole hams and make up freezer bags of them that'll only last us a few days. I probably get about 5 bags per ham.
re: Sam Fujisaka
I don't know Sam but the problem is, I had food poisoning as a kid and anything that's slightly off will clean me out if you know what I mean. It's not a lot of fun.
re: Davwud
If you're still having problems from an illness in childhood, then it's probably time to see a specialist, i.e., gastroenterologist. Perhaps you still have a subclinical infection that's a low enough dose that most of the time you're not sick. Hard to imagine but worth checking out.
As to your original question "what would you do?", I think it has to be what would YOU do? 'Course by now, it's what DID you do? Going forward, you can always say "unlike all you lucky people, I have this just incredibly sensitive gut that gives me fits if I eat older foods."
re: Davwud
I, too, have a sensitive digestive system and don't hesitate to let people I'm close to know that some things most people can ingest and digest, I can not! In some situations, imodium is a great help!
re: Davwud
Food poisoning isn't fun, but I've only gotten it from restaurants and as an adult, but that's not the issue here (really).
I would simply say I wasn't hungry this morning because the food last night was so fantastic that I'm still full, and apologise and thank him for the effort he put into making such a special breakfast. If he insists, say that you really can't stomach anything right now, but really, thank you very much. If it's still a problem, that's his issue. You were being polite.
No one should be forced to eat something they don't want (can't eat, are allergic to, is against their beliefs, etc). It's one thing if these were your own babies, but you're an adult.
I hope it turned out well for you.
re: Davwud
There's ther answer: your in-laws should be aware of and respect how sensitive your system is. Just let them know!
I go thru the same stuff with my FIL. He hates to throw anything away. Luckily, we live right next door and I go over and clean out their fridge cause my MIL hates to do it. I am being helpful, you see.
I wouldn't eat the ham. No. "I am just not in the mood for meat or potatoes this morning". I'd just eat freshly made eggs and toast that wasn't made from moldy bread. :)
re: Sam Fujisaka
If it's the type of ham I believe he's referring to, it has to be chilled as it remains moist and wet, and does actually go bad rather quickly even with all of the salt it has in it (like commercial roast beef, which will take on a metallic tinge within a few days). If it were jamon, prosciutto, Westphalian ham, or other dry cures, it shouldn't be a problem, but those are usually left out on the counter due to their massive size.
Aside from Dawvuds' particular issues, I'm honestly surprised that so many posters are bothered by the idea of a week-old ham. It's a very preserved food to begin with, right? I've bought ham on sale two weeks after Easter that was well within its sell-by date... anyway.
Dawvud, assuming you are visiting down south, make an excuse and go out for biscuits 'n gravy ;)
re: julesrules
Yeah, week old ham is not really an issue. I mean, it might be for the OP's concerns, but it's not a food safety issue.
re: manraysky
Haven't you ever pulled out a bag of lunch meat that's gone off? 5 days, 5 weeks... if it's been handled repeatedly in a not very sanitary manner, yikes.
I've had food poisoning twice this year (guess my karma needs work) and neither thing that made me sick looked/smelled off. It's just not worth it to take the chance.
re: Vetter
So it sounds like you got it from your home? Most posters on this topic say that, if afflicted, it was from a restaurant. Do you think that possibly your fridge temp is off?
re: Vetter
Yes, I have had lunch meat that has gone off. But that doesn't mean every time I have ham I throw it away after a couple of days just in case. I am well of aware of "not taking chances" with questionable food, but I don't consider 5 day old ham to automatically be questionable.
re: julesrules
The op stated:
"Secondly, he has ham in the fridge. We've been down here a week and it was there before we got here. I haven't had any intention of eating it because I don't know how long it's been in there. It's been over a week now. "
We only know that the ham is OVER one week old. It is NOT one week old. It could be five weeks old.
I have an absolutely iron stomach. I've eaten things that I KNOW I should not have. I've only had food poisoning (the kind where you want to DIE for two days) once or twice only from restaurants. I thaw meat on the counter ALL the time (never gotten sick from it.) I would absolutely refuse to let someone guilt me into eating something I'm not comfortab le with, however. To me, that's just childish. If you don't wanna eat it, but you still do, then it's YOUR fault. Rotten or not.
re: julesrules
I've had food poisoning from ham. It wasn't even a week old. It was only two days in the fridge, but had set out too long before that.
re: Terrieltr
Or perhaps came into the house with "cooties" that weren't killed in cooking. Some "bugs" have to be there to begin with or come from cross-contamination. Just sitting out too long isn't necessarily a problem.
I have a normal immune system and a not-particularly-sensitive digestion... so I'd enjoy the breakfast and not worry about where it came from. Some people are much more susceptible to food than others... fortunately I'm not one of them. If you know for SURE that the food will make you sick, stop beating around the bush and TELL THEM that you won't be able to eat.
re: Kajikit
Agreed. I pretty much have an iron stomach and don't get worked up by such things. I would be even less concerned if others manage to eat his cooking without falling ill. Of course a week old ham in my fridge vs. someone else's fridge is a difference worth contemplating. I'm more comfortable with my old food. :)
D, if it really bothers you, you should really let them know that you've been suffering with a sensitive stomach lately and your going to fix yourself something that will better agree with it. Apologize and have some toast, a biscuit or a bagel.
Do a make-ahead breakfast casserole every evening after dinner that can just go into the oven in the morning (thanks 'Hounds for your suggestions on another thread). It's actually a great way to use up leftovers and conquer breakfast in one fell swoop.
Different people have different sensibilities about food storage and different tolerances to types of food. If you're wary about eating it, don't do so just to avoid offending your FIL. You can simply avoid the ham and if he asks why say something polite like, "ham and I don't get along" and leave it at that. There's no reason to go into great detail about either his kitchen sanitation habits or about the history of your digestive system.
~~"If I don't eat it my FIL will be upset. If I do, my stomach will be upset (And/or worse)."~~
Sorry, I just don't buy the second half of your dilemma. Potatoes sitting on the stove overnight are extremely unlikely to cause any problems unless they've been exposed to some source of contamination. And a ham that's a couple of weeks old just isn't that big a deal if it's been stored properly. I'd eat the food without batting an eye.
But that's what **I** would do. You obviously have a problem with the food, and if you stress out about it enough, you will have an upset stomach whether there was anything wrong with it or not. You just have to find a way to be diplomatic about it. Something like "that smells really delicious, but my stomach's feeling a little jumpy - I think I'll stick to tea and dry toast." You don't have to tell FIL that the reason you're feeling queasy is concern over the safety of his ingredients.
I'd give the ham a quick feel when no one's looking; if it's not slimy, I'd eat it. Potatoes sitting on the counter overnight in a clean kitchen wouldn't bother me at all, especially since they're going to be cooked further.
I have in-laws like that and no longer have any qualms about telling them exactly why I won't eat their food. MIL will leave milk out for hours. FIL is just... disgusting when it comes to food.
If I were in your situation, and I have been, I'd tell them thanks but no thanks, you don't eat food that's been left out overnight, or food that's more than a few days old.
Thanks for the advice hounds.
As you may have read above. I made it look like I ate and avoided the whole issue.
You have to understand my FIL. The food doesn't make him sick. Therefore it's okay. Any attempt to explain anything to him will be taken as an insult. Anything that doesn't go his way is an insult. Countless times tupperware type items have been bought for them but they are discarded or returned and food is left in the cooking vessel on the stove, in the fridge or in the garage. This truely is a magic house as it keeps them from being sick.
There's a long and somewhat understandable reason for behaviour but the bottom line is, unless you agree whole heartedly while bowing before him, he's not gonna be happy.
re: Davwud
Millions of the residents of Mexico City drink the water and are never bothered by it. It has made many Americans sick when they drank it. To be on the safe side I don't drink the water in Mexico.
I look upon my in-law's food the same way I look at the water in Mexico. They have developed a resistance to the cooties from constant exposure. I have gotten ill from their food often enough to worry about it at every meal in their house. We tend to make our stays short and eat out at a lot of CFS, BBQ and Mexican food places when we make the thousand mile trip back to Texas.
re: blewgo
re: PandanExpress
It wouldn't have been from his cooking. It would be from something else. At least, that's how he'd see it.
re: Davwud
Glad it worked out for you Davwud. Sounds like your FIL's ego is on the line all the time. All the comments make me want to share my favorite ham and food poisoning story. Back in the day New Hope, Penna a very upscale touristy town frequented by New Yorkers on weekends decided to have an outdoor event showcasing their restaurants. My parents went and there were many yummy free samples. My mom came to a table with two huge hams, one cut and one yet uncut. Something just looked funny to her about the cut ham, so she asked for and was given a slice of the uncut ham. As they were heading home they ran into a police roadblock. The police asked my parents where they had been. When they said the New Hope Restaurant Fair or whatever, the cop directed them to the nearest hospital saying here is two more that need their stomachs pumped. Of course they didn't listen and went home. Later they found out there had been a huge outbreak of food poisoning in New Hope, well dressed tourists having accidents all over themselves and everything. It was all traced to the ham that my mom had refused. The media was very kind and not much was reported about this debacle. But to this day when I hear the word fiasco I always think of that New Hope restaurant festival. I call this antecdote A Tale of Two Hams. :)
re: givemecarbs
My FIL was THE GUY. He was lord and king over all he surveyed. If anyone had a problem, they went to him.
Now his car keys have been taken away from him, he can't much do simple tasks. His judgement is very much in question and he's now the one being told what to do and where to go. He's now the one at the bottom of the totem pole.
He's been totally emasculated.
It's a fact of life that everyone will have to deal with. He just hasn't yet. He's still trying to get back to the top of the hill. Since in his mind he's close to the summit.
It's complete denial.
re: Davwud
"Since in his mind he's close to the summit" Davwud, I think your FIL is a cool dude - - he seems happy from the inside out. Nothing you do or say is going to diminish that, so fell free to not partake, no need to feel guilty. I consider people who cook their own food from scratch fairly high functioning. Also I'm proud to say no tupperware at my house.
re: givemecarbs
Gotta love Mom's intuition, eh? :)
re: lynnlato
True dat Lynn. I'm still learning how to trust my gut as she did.
re: PandanExpress
I would eat it, too and enjoy every bite! Never had any problems or distrust of home cooking. What about pepto-bismal for back up?
Hi there, Ahh, The question is whole lot bigger than ""should I eat or not?"" What I can see is that, in ya relationship with ya FIL u don't have space or a say. Can u see, he is all so cranky n waking up early to seek all ya attention?? I think u should give the relationship an authentic look, and create a freedom space to just be yourselves. After all he IS your fatherly figure.So, go ahead have a wonderful conversation with ya FIL and earn ur space and give him his!! all the best :-)
If I found myself in that situation, when I woke up and smelled the onions, knew what was happening, I would simply roll over, pull the covers up around my neck and feign sleep for several hours until the danger had passed. And hope my rumbling stomach didn't tempt anyone to wake me up with breakfast in bed!
re: Sam Fujisaka
Green ham and eggs? Oh,I got it backwards. Apologies to Dr. Seuss. Sam I am....NOT!
re: Sam Fujisaka
I've got those older relatives who won't believe anything you say on various topics, won't believe what a doctor says, etc. Rather than make an argument, I would tell them a story about how I (or a friend) got deathly ill eating food that looked just fine but had been sitting out, or whatever. Most people know at leat a few true stories about this, so no need to lie. If push came to shove, I'd say "I'm sorry but ever since then I have this fear, which my well be irrational, but I can't help it." I'd rather take the onus on myself of being a picky eater or a crank or however they are going to interpret it.
Food poisoning just isn't worth it. There's the kind that's like "Whoops, my stomach didn't like that, now it's gone." But then there's the kind that can have you in the hospital for dehydration. You don't want to go there.
re: bibi rose
As I said above. Truth or lie, he'd perceive it as a slight. Everything is a slight if he doesn't get his way.
re: Davwud
Yeah, I know. The thing is, let him get offended. Seriously.
I have an uncle who is still complaining because years ago I had a relationship with an airline and I could not explain to said uncle why he could not use the emergency oxygen on a transatlantic flight rather than pay for his own oxygen tank. (He has COPD.) He still thinks that was just bullheadedness on my part. Not airline policy or anything. I mean, the guy was planning to use the emergency oxygen throughout the flight as if it were his personal oxygen tank.
Point being, people who won't listen just get worse, and eventually it will get unreasonable enough that you'll absolutely have to put your foot down. Might as well do it earlier rather than later.
re: bibi rose
That was pretty much my thought, too. I never intentionally offend anyone but there are some people who just seem to NEED to feel offended for whatever reason. Once I realize that no matter what I do I'm going to cause offense, I quit worrying about it. If you want to play that game, I'll let you, but I'm not going to participate.
If the FIL WANTS to be offended, by all means, let him. I'm not talking about being deliberately offensive; just quit walking on eggshells. And telling someone something that they don't want to hear doesn't have to convey disrespect. If he chooses to be offended or feel disrespected, it doesn't really matter what you (OP) do or say.
re: BeaN
I agree too and will tell him no whenever I feel the need. I just didn't think that "I'll upset my stomach" would sound like much of an excuse to him. True or not. So I handled it the way I did and he gets to feel good about himself.
I guess we all have people that we need to do a tap dance around.
re: Davwud
I've read this entire thread and have resisted replying. But.... :) I gather that your FIL is not a YOUNG man, maybe even an OLD man. And you're in his home. I have a truly mentally ill 88 yo. MIL who drives us crazy. And does many of the things that you have described. I try to remember that I may be like this some day and I sure hope people will treat me with kindness whether I deserve it or not. I am frequently not successful at this but this thread has reminded me of it. My husband and I work around her as best we can and sometimes get too "sharp" with her. But it's HER house and I can do it MY way in my house. Just lie to him. It's easier and kinder all the way around.


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LOL and best of luck VB!
Glad you are still around Volker.Berlin. We miss you and hope you will be back soon.
Volker, when there is is noise, you were always the voice of reason. Loved reading your posts and how you always bring back objectivity to the clamor. Will miss you too.
I know what you must have been going through before finally deciding to go cold turkey. I am suffering teslaholicism myself.
Best wishes for you and family and job. That is quite a threesome :-)
I'm sure you all understand that our collective mission is not complete until Volker's S has been delivered. Kirk out.
I second that .
I know he doesn't have his MS yet... he must have met a woman...
I agree with Volker. I don't remember having spent as much time browsing forums and blogs as I've done since configuring the car a few weeks ago. Hopefully this craziness will subside somewhat when I get the car (next week? VIN 3226). Model S can definitely turn you into a head-case in no time...
@Volker.Berlin - we will all miss you and I hope you took the Spock photo as a compliment. That's what it was intended to be!
swd over some cold turkey!
(Hope he still reads this)
We do miss you, Volker. Perhaps just a visit once per week?
Well, it did work, and quickly. Thought I'd try one of those questions that makes others stare off into the unknown---hoping for devine inspiration.
VB was asking around Europe for a later reservation, hoping to give himself more time than his #2EU allows. I wonder ...
Yeah, I had to go cold turkey, too, since my wife had a stroke two months ago, one week before her 34th birthday. I also thought about putting up a goodbye thread, but figured I'd probably check in on occasion. That, and I'm not nearly the celebrity that Volker is.
Volker Berlin,
I'll miss your contributions here as well. I always love to hear your perspective and insights. Thank you for all the help. You are quite an ambassador. An objective one at that.
I was wondered if you were frequenting these forums less because volkerize.com was making it easier for people to find things on their own. I also wondered if it was because the board is becoming more cumbersome with the big increase in traffic. Happy to hear that you'll still be around via TMC.
I'll send you a note to let you know when we are Berlin so I can buy you a beer. I owe you one.
Thanks again & see you on TMC.
Bump. Keeping the legend alive.
Ah, now it makes sense.
Volker - Thanks for the update and hope your forum detox is effective. Your prodigious contributions are much appreciated (and immortalized by Nick's search page)..
I found harmony in my household a different way: I bought my wife a Model S too.
Now she fully comprehends the fascination with the history written each day by this car, this company, and these people.
And my kids ... well, they are excited and proud their family has vaulted into the future.
Mom and Dad have become officially cool again.
Volker should just about have his S about now. I hope he chimes in to give us a report!
I just missed him here but thanks for inspiring nickjhowe to create the search for us all!
Are you sure they delivered MS to Germany? So far I saw Norway and Switzerland...
They started delivery to Belgium, The Netherlands, and Germany when the Tesla factory opened in Tilburg last week. Among the first few cars delivered during the opening ceremony, there were a couple with German license plates. Not sure about other central European countries, but of those 3 I'm certain.
Volker occasionally posts on TMC under the same name these days. Quite infrequent, but he's still around. I miss his sage comments here too. But is really did get overwhelming trying to keep up with this site once cars started to be delivered. Can't blame him a bit.
He's coming back for a visit with a big Tesla grin!
I hope he comes back with photos!
"Where is volker.berlin?" Likely, in Berlin! ;)
Actually he went to Hamburg for his first days with his Model S, I believe.
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I'm sorry to hear this, Joe. Rule #1 DO NOT stop any anxiety meds cold turkey. You can't make her take it as shes an adult, but if shes starting to get out of control and you may need to look at your options for having her admitted to hospital if shes not willing to take her meds and being violent. Sometimes these disorders make us angry that we have to take meds..... I am on 4.... but I want to have some normalcy in my life, I cant stand the feelin otherwise. Keep us posted and I'll keep you in my prayers. God Bless
I took effexor xr for about 3 years, and I abruptly stopped taking it... and that is something that I do not recommend. This was several years ago but the one thing that I can vividly recall is the changes in my vision. My equilibrium was off and I felt like I couldn't stand up straight. This lasted for a couple weeks but I struggled through it. Technically a doctor should take her does down gradually and that should prevent any side effects. I don't recall being verbally and physically abusive while taking it, but medications affect different people in different ways.
you feel strange, my body feels likes it is pulsating but this is only the 2nd day in which i have stopped. i really hope these side effects stop soon. you'll feel sick, make sure you take some time off if you choose to "go it alone" and go off effexor.
I stopped taking my effexor xr after 3 months. I didnt take long, only a few daysafter, I felt so tired, nauseous, vomitting snappy, sharp pains in my head. As soon as I went back on it within hours I felt better Imop it was not a good idea to take myself off because I started to feel better.
I would suggest that you talk to your doc and take yourself off gradually because the withdrawl symptoms suck big time. Take Care!
I stopped taking my effexor xr after 3 months. I didnt take long, only a few daysafter, I felt so tired, nauseous, vomitting snappy, sharp pains in my head. As soon as I went back on it within hours I felt better Imop it was not a good idea to take myself off because I started to feel better.
I would suggest that you talk to your doc and take yourself off gradually because the withdrawl symptoms suck big time. Take Care!
I stopped my Effexor 2 weeks ago because my insurance company said they would no longer cover this drug unless you meet the guidlines, which they said I did not. My doctor has been on vacation so I can do nothing, I have went off my medication many times over the years because I didnt want to take medication.
I have learned the hard way I have to have it to function and not be agressive towards others and yell and scream at everyone.
I do the same thing your wife is doing and I'm not at that point just yet I guess because I also take Cymbalta, but I was informed I dont meet the guide lines for this drug too, so when I'm out I dont know what will happen, but I know it wont be pretty. I am so tired of the insurance company telling us who we can see and who is not in "our" network and how many days they will pay for our patients to be in the hospital, and now if you meet the guidelines for a medication. That should be up to the doctor. Sorry for going off the track, but yes I know what your wife is going through and I'm so sorry, she needs to take her meds. And I hope everthing works out.
I'll keep you all in my prayers!!
My best friend was removed from effexor abruptly and put on wellbutrin because he told his GP he wanted to lose weight. He first went into depression, then tremors, tried to drive to the ER and totalled his car. Hes now in the ICU and everytime they wake him up he is physically and verbally abusive. After 6 days they are finally starting the effexor again. Be very careful.
I have been taking effexor for about a month and I decided to stop taking it because I dont want to take any medication. I am having a tough time. I have headaches, dizziness, very tired. I cant stand straight sometimes. I sleep a lot during the day and can't make myself to do anything. I dont sleep well during the night. I wish I had never started taking it.
I had to come off of it for a test. It took a couple weeks to get *nearly* off of it. But I had to take at least a literal crumb of a 100 mg tab for several days after that or i would be too sick to work. it seemed absurd but after being sick as a dog one day I took a little crumb and was fine the next day. I just tried to last as long as I could between crumbs and i was finally off. Took about a month all told.
i am on my 4th day of not taking effexor xr i have been on 150 mgs a day for the passed yr and decided that i dont want to take a tablet that i am addicted to for the rest of my life i am so tired ,last night was bad i went thru the sooking,feeling sick and dizzyness not to mention the pastys (drymouth) and the feeling my heart was shaking my whole body with every beet and the snappyness with the kids i have 4 under 12 so it like a mad house atm we are having school holidays omg it was like i was drunk but in a bad way then i was sooo cold ,today i wake up so far so good even a moment with out the withdrawl symptoms are welcomei still have a slight dizzyness but i can get thru it i hope it jst gets better from here i sympathise with every 1 who has to go thru this ,had i have been told it wld be like this wen i come off this nasty lil tablet i probably wld have ask 4 something diff but i wasnt !!!!!
I have been taking effexor for four years and have been great, but 2 months ago, I accidentally sent the prescription online to my old apartment and couldn't get more for a month, so I just decided to try to stay off it. 4 days ago I started going through withdrawals and it's been AWFUL!!
I can't concentrate and I want to be alone all the time and I am a people person!
It is awful and DONT DO IT!
Talk to your doctor...Don't be stupid like I was.
I've been taking Effexor for about 5 to 6 years now, I want to stop. I am a people person also but even with the medication, I don't feel like going anywhere, I'm always at home, don't really want to see people, I just want to be alone. The doctor gave me this medication because I felt depressed, I was never violent , I just cried at every little thing. I don't know if this is all in my head but this medication made me stronger and I don't cry as much. I just want out of this medication, I want to try to be strong without pills. I take it one day and not the next, stopping slowly, maybe I won't go through all those symtoms. Positive is the only way to go. Good luck everyone and that goes for me too. wishing you all a wonderful life without medication (lol, lol)
I stopped effexor about 4-5 days ago, I felt so bad...my eyes were cockeyed, my pupils got real small, my head felt weird, i couldn't wake up too well, I not only cried, I sobbed, and sobbed and sobbed...I was edgy, irritable, had no patience, etc. etc. I went back on them today, and I am really starting to feel better again. Never ever just stop...you need to have you dr. do it gradually...it's TERRIBLE!!!
OMG.....I've only stopped taking effexor 2 days ago and I feel awful. Just finished throwing up my dinner. I feel dizzy, tired, and sick to my stomach. I feel best when laying down. I suddenly wanted to start crying while watching puppies on TV.....weird.
I've been taking effexor for a little over 2 years and only took 75mg a day. I felt like I wanted to stop taking it because I don't feel like I need it anymore, but I'm really rethinking my decision. I'll see how I feel tomorrow morning and, if I'm not any better, I will start to take it again and talk to my doctor.
Well, I decided to continue NOT taking the medicine, and I'm now on day 7. The first 3-4 days were the worst. I didn't like the TV on or to hear any noise and felt most comfortable sleeping in a dark room on my side. Laying on my side kept me from vommiting. I still feel a little dizzy, but most of the nausea has subsided.
I went to the doctor yesterday and he gave me something for the nausea, which helped and he wanted to put me back on it and lower me down slowly, but I refused because it had already been out of my system for 6 days. The doctor said it should take no more than 2 weeks for me to feel better. I sure hope he's right.
If I had to do this over again, I would definitely ween myself off versus quitting cold turkey. Best of luck to you all.
I have been on Effexor before and remember the coming off was terrible. I was so reluctant to go on again but in a very bad place because of recent divorce. I tried to go off after 8 months. I was on 75 mg and tried to do every other day. I tried to committ suicide on the 4th day and think it was totally the effexor withdrawal. They put in in a hospital for a week and put me up to 150 mg because of the suicide attempt. no one believed me how out of charachter that was for me. Do believe it was the effexor. Now it is 10 months later and totally want off this stuff. Makes me feel so flat. Cannot cry even when sad but also do not feel any joy in life or look forward to things. hate antidepressants and i have tried Zoloft and Paxil befor also. Reading all these links and guess I will not go cold turkey but reduce a little a day by opening the capsules and counting the granuales. Amazed this stuff is still on the market. Plan to start on a Friday so get through the first couple changed days each weekend then each Friday cut back a few more. It seems from all the links I have read this is the best way. So wanted to go cold turkey just to be done with it.
I've been on effexor 75 and 150 for about 5 years. Right now I'm feeling absolutely terrible massive headaches, eyes aching, NO sleep as I can't lay my head down on pillow and sitting up makes my back and neck go into spasm. I've not taken tablet for 3 days, cause ran out of script. I thought I had the flu but I guess I'm going through withdrawals, after reading all these posts. I sooo hate taking these tablets but scared to go off them. If a chemist was open now I'd drive to get a script. I'm in pain and want to sleep!!!
I took 37.5 for about 2 weeks and then was told to double the dose, almost instantly i would just become nausated, dry mouth, woke up with night sweats, had AWFUL dreams, irritable for no reason (and i work with the public), I even got diarrea and had a brownish discharge (didnt miss my birthcontrol or anything so no other reason for the discharge). I do not cry much at all and i cried and sobed at times for no reason, i felt like my body had a serge in it and sleep is a big NO, I feel like i could have delt with the other things if i could have just slept. I was told by Dr to go off it slowly and take smaller doasage then skip one then finally start to take my med that i took before which is citilopram, i didnt have those problems with that med, i just think i need a bigger dosage, i was only on 20 mg. I am still going thru this withdrawl period and i hope it gets better, I am normally a happy person and fun to be around but not at this point.
Effexor sends electronic signals to the brain, when you have a medication that powerful it is probably not safe to take it or to quit it. Your boyfriends suicide could have been a side effect of the med or a side effect of the withdrawal. Even the scientists don't know which way it will effect each person, so there is no way you could have known which way to advise your boyfriend. I am sorry for your loss but never blame yourself. I lost my 3 month old daughter and have blamed myself for 32 years, she died of SIDS. Blame is a normal response, but it's not the answer. Grief counselling helps and spending time in prayer. God will ease the pain over time.
Hi, First I wanted to say I am sooooo very sorry for the loss of your boyfriend. How devastated you must be. Please know that this is not your fault.. it would probably help if you seek some type of counseling to help you through this traumatic experience. I have been on this medication for the last few months started with 75 mg and upped the dose to 150 mg... I just stopped 4 days ago cold turkey and Im home alone as I just got terminated from my 25 year job(I wanted out anyway as I was miserable with the way the company has changed and despiseds my boss)
So far I have been throwing up the last few days and feeling terribly nausious.
I took a pill 2 days ago threw up again.. Im afraid to take it and afraid not to take it.. Im going back to visit my friends and family in NJ in 2 weeks and hope that I will feel better by then.
Im really sad for you cuz of what you have gone through. All these drugs out there suck but from reading all these responses, it looks like half the world cant function without them. God bless you
Hi, First I wanted to say I am sooooo very sorry for the loss of your boyfriend. How devastated you must be. Please know that this is not your fault.. it would probably help if you seek some type of counseling to help you through this traumatic experience. I have been on this medication for the last few months started with 75 mg and upped the dose to 150 mg... I just stopped 4 days ago cold turkey and Im home alone as I just got terminated from my 25 year job(I wanted out anyway as I was miserable with the way the company has changed and despiseds my boss)
So far I have been throwing up the last few days and feeling terribly nausious.
I took a pill 2 days ago threw up again.. Im afraid to take it and afraid not to take it.. Im going back to visit my friends and family in NJ in 2 weeks and hope that I will feel better by then.
Im really sad for you cuz of what you have gone through. All these drugs out there suck but from reading all these responses, it looks like half the world cant function without them. God bless you
I ran out of my Effexor XR 75mg three days ago and haven't had time to get it refilled. Today I feel HORRIBLE! I get this funny, dizzy feeling in my head when I move my eyes around, feel like I'm going to vomit, my speech and thinking is slow, and I have cried several times today. Never stop this "cold turkey!"
I was on Effexor for two months. I stopped abruptly about a week ago. Almost feel the need for hospitalization. Go to the Dr. in two days, but don't want to start the meds again after this long of detoxing myself. Wish there were an answer to depression without any side effects. Guess that's the price to continue living.... :( Major headaches, can't sleep without drugs, probably won't be able to work for a while now..... Why must life be this hard?!
I have been off now for 4 days and going on 5 days cold turkey. I was taking 100mg Effexor. I felt slightly nauseated maybe twice the second day around, but the biggest effect I have been having is I am constantly on the toilet having a bowel movement. It isn't quite loose, but it is almost like my body is trying to flush itself out... like I am sick or something.
I noticed someone wrote in there about noise being a bother to them... I have noticed these past couple days I don't want the TV real loud and I get sometimes more irritable doing the same crap day to day. I didn't really contribute these two things from coming off of effexor, but since someone else brought it up.. heck it might be a side effect from coming off so quick as well.
The biggest side effect I had from taking the Effexor is not going to the bathroom as often as I used to prior to taking the medication. I would normally have a bowel movement like 1-3 times a day before taking the medication. When I started taking it sometimes I would not have one for like 3 days! That was super weird for me. Now that I am off the med. cold turkey, I have been having one probably 5-8 times a day! It's crazy!
I'm 16, almost 17 and I've been taking effexor 75mg 2x a day since I was 14. I went on a family vacation this past week, we were gone saturday to saturday. Anyways, I ran out of my effexor during the vacation and when I saw I was running out, I only took one pill a day so I could make it last. (I didn't tell my mom, who also takes effexor, just a lower dose.) The day I ran out completely, we went deep sea fishing. I've never gotten sea sick before- my family use to have a boat for the weekends- this time however, I started feeling horribly nauseous then it stopped. When we got off the boat, the nausea came back I told my mom I ran out of medicine, she was not happy! It lasted the rest of that day and the next but I never threw up. I couldn't handle it, I slept all day both days. The day we left to come home, I was feeling fine. A little ways down the road, I started feeling sick again but I didn't tell anyone yet again. Now I am at home and I still feel sick to my stomach and I've had headaches and I've been really snappy. I'm normally really quiet and polite. My stomach has been like hard, at the top and I kept thinking I was constipated (gross I know) but I've tried a laxitive and its not that. It is until I found this website with this post that I've realized I have all the same sympoms as you all do. I took one of my moms pills and I'm slowly starting to feel better! In the morning, I'm headed straight to the pharmacy to get my effexor filled and I'm not leaving the pharmacy without it! I'm glad someone asked the question of what'll happen if you just stop taking effexor. I advise that you shouldn't. Get your doctor to slowly reduce it for you! You'll regret it!
I am female veteran diagnosed with PTSD. I was put on Effexor XR extended release tablets (150mg) and I have been on it for about 2 years. I stopped taking Effexor XR Cold Turkey on Saturday July 16, 2011 because I found out I'm pregnant (I'm about approx. 1 month and 1/2 on my pregnancy). This is my 4th day without Effexor XR and I have felt on an emotional rollercoaster! crying, defensive, angry, and normal sometimes...I've had loose vowel movement. I feel very very dizzy especially sitting down right now typing this, I get out of breath when talking about something exciting. Walking the parking lot at work and going up the stairs get me dizzy, pale, and out of breath, everything looks yellowish or foggy like I'm in a dream. I have been having awful nightmares and paranoia. Yesterday, I had to conduct room clearing in my house (gun out, bullet in chamber) because I felt someone was in my house trying to get me killed. I break down in hot and cold sweats and I'm very sensitive to the heat and cold. I hear strong noises in my head, like someone is wrapping my brains in plastic bubble wrap and popping them. Two days ago a felt that wonderful adrenaline when driving fast and thinking crashing would not hurt, a cellphone call at the moment grounded me, and made me slow down... Crazy Weird Crap!... I'm shaky right now, my back is killing me, my eyes (pupils) hurt, my head hurts, and my hands are sweaty and frozen... This is awful... I dont know what to do, I dont want to go back to taking it because of fetus side effects. I need help. I'm going out of My M-I-N-D!
PLEASE go see your doctor!!!! They have better alternatives than quitting cold turkey. Trust me! I almost committed suicide and I didn't want to go backwards by going back on it. There are other alternatives that will be safe for baby. The side effects don't end quickly and will only get worse for at LEAST two - three weeks. You don't want to do that! Let those of us who made decisions that were not productive help you by learning from our mistakes!!! Call your doctor!
I was on Effexor for 10 years! So when I decided to get off of it, I gradually cut back my dosage over 3 months time, cut it in half, then in quarters. The only thing I have noticed is I do have days where I feel sad and depressed, but it does not last. I started taking effexor because I went thru breast cancer, chemo, etc. and it put me in to extreme chemically induced menapause, with horrible hot flashes. The only thing that the doctors suggested was taking effexor. and then before I knew it, 10 years had gone by! and I lost my job, lost my health insurance which included prescriptions. And I couldn't afford it! over $100 a month! No way! So put some thought in to stopping it, by gradually cutting back over a few months time.
I too have lost my job, insurance and ran out of effexor. With all my research on coming off, I decided today to call Phizer and see what they could tell me, and what to expect. I called and they gave me another number. After waiting, I got somebody on the other side of the world that gave me the same phone number the first time I called. Just running me in circles.
Well, I can't go to the doctor. I have no choice but to bite the bullet. I am on day 2 and feel terrible. I woke up throwing up NOTHING for at least 30 minutes. I havent been able to walk more than 15 feet from my couch without getting sick.
I am freezing cold, but the room is normal. The brain zaps are the worst. I can't think straight. I have to drive tomorrow and I am scared I can't.
The doctors dont tell you this stuff when they are so quick to whip out that pen and pad. I would have been better off taking massive amounts of zanax. This sucks. I will keep this posted because I know I am not alone.
I was on Effexor XR for over 10 years. I cycled back and forth fom 150 mg to 75 mg back to 150 mg to 75 mg (on the advise of my doctor). I quit my job, lost my drug plan and ran out of meds. I simply stopped taking them - I had no choice, as I had none left and refused to pay the full cost of them without a drug plan (or job for that matter). In addition to being unemployed, I was serving as caregiver for my 80 year old mother - who is on an antidepressant - after the death of her husband and son (my father and brother). My mother has since been hospitalized, due to the ineffectiveness of her Paxil. Here is my question / comment... I feel no withdrawl effects what so ever. I have quit "cold turkey" over 2 weeks ago - and nothing??? I feel exactly the same, no better - but no worse??? You would think that with the state my life is in - no job, no money for mortgage or car payments or bills, my mother in the hospital, the loss of my brother and father (and my 13 year old dog and cat - I might add) I would feel "something"....but I don't??? What is up with that? I feel the same now as I did when I was on the Effexor. Question - Should I be feeling withdrawl symptoms by now? Am I home free? - Or will it suddenly hit me like a ton of bricks one of these days???
I have taken several different antidepressants over the last twenty years. When I was first put on Trazadone, I was never told not to stop taking this type of medication abruptly. Well, the Effexor withdraw is the worst. Thank you for the informative replies because the withdraw from this med is so different than any other. I had to stop Effexor 150mg because I didn't have the money to get it refilled. I have been off 4 days and I feel like the rest of you. Nauseated, a weird dizziness, popping sounds in my head and feel I could vomit at any moment. Feel better in the prone position. Life sucks when we have to rely on these crappy medications, but the alternative is worse. I glad I am not the only one that feels this way. I am thankful again for the input from all of you fellow sufferers. I thought I was coming down with the Norovirus. I guess I will be calling my doctor fora new script and ask a family member to float me loan. Everyone get your meds and don't go off without weaning. I thought I could get some more before the withdrawal symptoms appeared. Oh FYI, I got some St John's wort thinking it would help--- depression went away but the withdrawal symptoms got worse.
I am the same way. Now I have noticed I was more moody and emotional for about a week but I feel ok now. I scared it is going to hit me all of a sudden.....I also have been through a lot lately, I was evicted from my home and have no where to live, and I am going through a break up with my partner of 9 years. Maybe we don't feel the side effects or think we don't due to shock or just plain overload of life's burdens????
I was on Effexor XR for over 10 years. I cycled back and forth from 150 mg to 75 mg back to 150 mg to 75 mg (on the advice of my doctor). I quit my job, lost my drug plan and ran out of meds. I simply stopped taking them - I had no choice, as I had none left and refused to pay the full cost of them without a drug plan (or job for that matter). In addition to being unemployed, I was serving as caregiver for my 80 year old mother - who is on an antidepressant - after the death of her husband and son (my father and brother). My mother has since been hospitalized, due to the ineffectiveness of her Paxil. Here is my question / comment... I feel no withdrawal affects what so ever. I have quit "cold turkey" over 2 weeks ago - and nothing??? I feel exactly the same, no better - but no worse??? You would think that with the state my life is in - no job, no money for mortgage or car payments or bills, my mother in the hospital, the loss of my brother and father (and my 13 year old dog and cat - I might add) I would feel "something"....but I don't??? What is up with that? I feel the same now as I did when I was on the Effexor. Question - Should I be feeling withdrawal symptoms by now? Am I home free? - Or will it suddenly hit me like a ton of bricks one of these days???
I'm not a Dr., so know that I'm only speaking from experience... :) My symptoms come if I even miss one pill or 1/2 a dose. So, if you've been off it for 2 weeks, you're probably likely to be one of the forunate ones who may not have the severe reactions that many people get. My therapist told me last week that most of her clients who are on effexor and try to stop have to be hospitalized. Makes me think I'll be on it forever. I hope you don't get any symptoms! I'm also sorry life has been so stressful for you!
ive been on effexor for 2.5 years. two weeks ago, I decided i didnt like the withdrawl symptoms if i forgot to take it, or knowing that it wasnt the medication that really helped, it was the placebo effect, if i felt anxious, id take one and feel better knowing that my meds would kick in. I didnt like knowing that I had become reliant on a medication that could do more harm than good, so i stopped taking it. The first 5 days were the worst. nothing to be scared of though. Dizziness, anxiety, messed up vision, but it has almost gone away completely now. Now i find that while feeling anxious, if i go for a hot bath i feel better because doing something to take your mind off of your feelings is usually what should help. If you fixate on having a panic attack, its gonna happen. When i first started having attacks, id get out of hand with feelings of absoloute dread and afraid for my life. now when i feel one coming on, I say: Im in a safe place, im surrounded by people who wont hurt me, I have nothing to be afraid of, and im not in any real danger, im 24, im not having a heart attack.
Try it.
Thank you... I am not crazy. I have been going through the same thing... just the "shocky" feeling you have described. I function just fine, and have not been weepy... yet... just what I describe as electrical shocks in my whole body. I have noticed it is very hard to drive for some reason as that seems to me when the shocks are the worse. Maybe because I have had to work through all this (it's been 4 days now without my meds) that I haven't been dizzy or nauseaous, but I was already thinking about talking to my Dr about changing the medication because I don't think feeling I am dependent on it. I asked for something because I am going through "the change" and the hot flashes were making me very emotional & I really felt I was going to go crazy without something. She told me the Effexor has been shown to work well for the hot flashes & to stabilize my emotions. I tell you, it has definitely helped with both, but I don't like how I feel if I have to skip a day (or more likely forget). I still haven't decided which is worse.... the hot flashes & mood swings or the twitchy-shocky feeling I get when not taking the meds.
I ran out of my pills 2 days ago. This is the third or fourth time I've had to go without them for a few days and the effects get worse and come on sooner every time.how I would describe the eye skipping is like on those scary movies, particularly "The Ring", where the girl is suddenly closer and closer in a flash. I feel almost like I black out every few seconds. Might describe it as a strobe light effect. I had no idea that this kind of withdrawal could occur.I was never informed by the psychiatrist of much.The whole reason she put me on these was because I was constantly forgetting to take my meds and wanted something that would cover the depression and anxiety in one pill. Duh!!.knowing this medication would do this to you if you forgot it, why on earth would you prescribe it to someone who is most likely to forget it? Anyways,2 more days of this crap before I can get in to get more.how I don't go crazy while I'm waiting. Not to mention I have a 3 year old to take care of. Ugh!!!
Wow, I'm going through awful side effects as well, I'm so sorry everyone is having such a terrible time but after reading all the posts I'm also relieved to know what is wrong. I only took it for about 6 weeks, but this is the second time I've had this experience after missing just 2 days of taking it (75 mg). The lightheadedness, dizziness, brain zaps (like a weird electrical surge), violent diarrhea several times a day (TMI, I know, but a side effect nevertheless) and crying about ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and EVERYTHING. Last time I missed taking it for the 2 days and had the diarrhea, etc. I went to the gastroentologist and scheduled a colonscopy. I'm still going to have it but since I've never had this happen before I feel sure I can attribute it to the Effexor. My doctor didn't tell me about any of this before I took it, not cool! And it didn't help the hot flashes, lack of sleep and menopausal moodiness that much anyway! Please talk to your doctor about all the potential side effects of this before taking it - Effexor is an extremely powerful, and therefore dangerous, drug.
I have been on effexor for many years. I abrubtly stopped taking it when my prescription ran out. I was trying to save money.what a terrible mistake! Loss of appetite, dizziness, extreme naseau, trembling, tingling in my hands was awful! I became very irritable& snapped at any given time.I had crying spells not from just sadness but anytime about nothing. I experienced what is known as sleep paralysis, when you cant move or let anyone know you' re in trouble and desperately need help to be awakened. Be very careful when taking this drug. Do not stop taking it cold turkey. I feel like it could have taken my life if I haden't started to realize what I had tried to do just to save money! God bless you all!
I've seen a lot of posts about people feeling more depressed and weepy coming off Effexor - I've gone through that as well, but have also had several bouts of pure hysteria for no reason -- cannot stop laughing (the kind that actually starts hurting after a while), crying and laughing at the same time. Has anyone experienced this or am I just cracking up alltogether? I think I've kind of freaked out my husband of 15 years coming off of this stuff. I know I'll never go back on it again!
I think anything is possible when coming off of this drug! I know I just felt like I was going crazy. Crying, laughing, bugs crawling around my body feeling, dizzy, seeing things, unable to drive or be alone with my child. Worst time in my life! And then, a new DR. put me back on it and promised to take me off it the right way when it's time. Now I'm scared to ever get off it. But sometimes it sure would be nice to have a hysterical feeling. I've missed laughter.
4 days off effexor, melting down, brain shorting out so bad. this is hell. never ever been so down and destroyed even at the worst times of my depression. dont know what to do!!!!!!
After taking 225 mg/daily for about 10 years, I recently ran out of Effexor and have been without it for three days now. I have no insurance and cannot afford the prescription on my own. It has been rough so far. Last night I had several bizarre dreams and each time woke up shuddering, like I was freezing. As I write this, I can feel my equilibrium is off. I am going to do everything I can to never have to take this crap again. Fortunately, I am aware that nothing situational has changed and tell myself every second that it's the withdrawal that's making me feel bad. I hope with the help and understanding of my family I'll be able to ride this out. Wish me luck.
Update: It's been over two weeks now and I feel a million times better. The loss of equilibrium is now rare and there have been no further physiological side-effects. Did I mention I was also taking Lamictal, same situation, no insurance and no money? I've been three weeks without it as well and again, no noticeable side-effects. After reading about other experiences, I consider myself extremely lucky.
I stopped taking Effexor XR 225mg about 8 days ago. I won't be able to get it in 2013 so I decided to stop it now. I could write a book on the side effects of withdrawal. The first two nights I woke up to seeing kaleidoscope visions in my brain. Nothing like having my brain function go haywire. Over the past week I have also woken up to hot sweats and cold chills and really bizarre nightmares. The next thing was the diarrhea, that's always a joy. Yesterday was the worst. I could not sleep so I was awake about 36 hours, not pleasant. I finally slept about 7 hours last night. I woke up to stools made of tar. I'm telling you it's amazing the control a pill can have over your body chemistry. Right now my heart is racing a little and that's probably the only side effect that scares me. I have a blood pressure machine so I will be monitoring my blood pressure today. I'm hoping I'm through the worst of it, but I'm sure the next week will be more of the same. I figure I'm a week into it so I'm not going back unless my condition gets worse. Oh yes, and I have started crying, but this was to be expected since I was a crier before I started taking Effexor XR.
This thread has helped me much, thank you!
I had to abruptly stop taking 75mg of Effexor after being on it for about 10 weeks because my script ran out 12/22 and it's the holidays with no hope for refill until after new years.
Insomnia, loss of appitite, symptoms of a uninary tract infection and kidney pain were the first signs. Then I had signs of a Sinus infection with bloody nose daily and a thick milky yellow discharge from my left nostile. That same day I also had a thick brown discharge vaginally, even though I'm in the middle of my birth control cycle. This has continued daily...
I've always had 'crazy' dreams while on this medication, but my thoughts seem to be darker and the tears set in late at night when I'm trying to get to sleep (around 1:30 - 3:30 am). They only thing that seems to help is drinking a little white wine, which 'numbs' me to help not 'think' during the day. I've also had strong cravings to smoke after quiting over 4 years ago.
Sheesh... counting down the days - worried I may need to go to the ER before new years, as that is what my pharmacist suggested if it gets worse.
Can anyone tell us how to stop it gradually?? Or his/her experience with stop it gradually?
Actually my doctor is old and he would not tell me anything about the med or how much time I am gonna use it. I asked him about the side effects, he told me there are nothing. I told him I feel sleepy, dizzy and tired he told me there are nothing of that related to the med, but when I read about the med I found all of that are related to it. I am kind of not trusting him any more.
First, I meant he knows how long, but he wont tell me. Second, I have been taking Effexor for months and it works very well for my. The side effects still with me until now and it increase gradually. The side effects are " sleepness, drowsiness, gaining more weight". I have tried 5 other med before, it was bad experince Effexor is the best until now. Actually my worrying and questioning how to stop it because I'm about to have a job. The reasons of taking it are anxiety and depression.
Thank you.
Since quite a few have answered their experiences coming off, I thought I'd give my SUCCESS STORY OF COMING OFF EFFEXOR COMPLETELY . . . without my life being ruined.
I had been on anti-depressants approx 10 year since 19 years old I am 30 now on my 5th successful month no effexor. I had 4 failed attempts coming off of anti depressants one that landed me in jail.
This time, just as advised by many I attempted a taper.
Here are the following things I did advised and or supervised by my doctor WHO supported the process any doctor that doesn't does not have your best interest at heart because it is possible!
1. Gradually decreased by halfs took approx 3-4 months from 150mg +37.5mg at night
2. DETOX DETOX DETOX . . . there are tea's and all kinds of cheap things at your grocery store to help detoxing but it's SUPER important . . . staying hydrated and sweats -as in sauna or hot baths- foot detox pads, tea, whatever you can afford get it!
3. FORCE STRETCHING . . . not exercise! big difference! although exercise is always recommended, as a person who felt those withdrawals, getting up and moving around is hard enough . . . so keep it simple, a stretch to each side or however you can remember from High School gym for a minute or two each day is not only easy but helps A LOT!
4. BABY ASPIRIN . . . for all you smokers, birth control users, or over weight . . . your circulation is critical to this process! And given newer generations are not so tolerant to aspirin, which can upset the stomach, one BABY aspirin goes a LONG way in your recovery. It will improve your breathing andlung function, your equillibrium problems, and often ease some of the head and body pains that come with withdrawal.
5. 5-HTP . . . (me personally at 200mg every other day now) is an over the counter supplement used to help sleep disorders and weight. It is a mental supplement that really helps more than any most suggested : st.john's etc . . . mainly because it helps sleep and calm the nerves.
6. VITAMIN PACKS THAT CONTAIN: L-Tyrosine one of many helpful amino acids and enzymes, if possible add the multi pack minerals and vitamin C / C complex, which are the specific one's that help the transition.
7. OMEGA - 3: and not ALL are created equal! so if you can avoid just fish oil or eating an avocado every other day, please find an Omega-3 blend that has multiple oils, which will adapt to your system much better than over loading one type of oil, which may not even be useful to your system, given everyone is different! Cover your bases. This combo with the brain amino acids is POWERFUL to coating the membranes of your poor confused mind and healing the parts of the mind that are stuck not functioning due to Effexor and it's powerful effect on your mood functionality.
8. DON'T PANIC: =] it feels scary your first couple of withdrawals but I noticed within hours extreme withdrawals symptoms give or take 4-6 hours went away. I warned family, my job, and friends [AND AM SO GRATEFUL I DID] that I was coming off a newer medication that is not easy to rid. That bought me great flexibility on days I could not be social or just felt so upset nothing could bring me to my senses.
9. AVOID OTHER SUBSTANCES: ok with the exception of marijuana, given you have legal prescriptions, anything else aggitates syptoms. Caffeine, tobacco, opiates, pain pills, street drugs, etc . . . I saw benadryl mentioned. THIS IS a very safe alternative to getting to rest, along with other allergy medicines if you have been prescribed to some. Suntheanine / L-theanine is also very effective but can be pricy . . . for helping sleep and or anxiety.
10. USE ALL THESE STEPS or you will experience the descriptions of posts on the entire page. The vitamins, supplements, sweating, stretching, and gradual cut down all compliment each other in making a successful process. I.E. the omega-3 helps activate the other minerals and supplements and aids in easing the stomach problems or weight problems that can occur. Also the detox and aspirin helped my migrains the most. They all play a part and are all avail at the regular store for affordable prices. ALSO NOTE: I mentioned VITAMIN PACK because it is often cheaper to get a pack with all the vitamins you need included versus trying to purchase one bottle of one of these things which can run high. Other suggestion that may work for some - SAMe.
I HOPE THESE HELP ANYONE OR AT LEAST ALLEVIATE THE TERRIBLE SYMPTOMS I READ THAT PEOPLE EXPERIENCED. I WRITE THESE FROM EXPERIENCING THEM MYSELF NOT JUST SOME ADVISE . . . I, with an extremely low budget, faced loosing my access insurance and decided before I lost it to make the change. This is the first time and longest time I've ever had success. I honestly don't feel 100% back to myself before the meds BUT it takes time and patience. Best wishes and please post if these things work for anyone else! thanks
I am just stoping today i want to have a baby and dont wanna be on it. So ill keep you uptated on how it is going i feel a little jittery like paulsating. I went throw withdraw on zoloft not to bad i think tapering off was so much worse than stoping. So goona just do this gonna take tylonol if it gets real bad i hope it dont
i have run out of my medicine and i feel all light headed, dizzy and head spinning, i get like twitchy when i walk my body feels as if i am not in my body i hate this feeling, i was put on it for my migraines and i would rather not take it if this is what it does, seems like the medicine makes you want to take it so you feel better
Can you get your prescription filled soon? (Will the Dr. order a new script?) You have to go off it with the help of a DR. Otherwise, it will get much worse. This is a medication I wish I'd never started (although it is helping me now, but I fear getting off it again!). Please, try to take your normal dose as soon as possible.
Off Effexor for 2 days and the dizziness is unreal.
Body pulsing is an acurate term or head pulsing for me personally.
No sickness or nausea, but I don't mind the head spins
At times .. It was enough for me to GOOGLE this, that is for sure!
Was given Effexor 3 mos. ago at 75mg 2x's a day to replace my Zoloft.
Effexor is supposed to replace the Zoloft and work with Celebrex for back injuries..
(Opiate free after 4 years since Nov. 2013 ! )
I only took the Zoloft in 6mos. intervals at best and it was a low dose.
I am only 3 days into this now and if it gets worse, Who knows? I may have an update to post here ...
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