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- Domagoj Hackenberger
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Is the total eradication of mosquitoes a true solution?
Mosquitoes have a massive ecological role in nature. Especially as main food source for great number freshwater fish and birds.
Kamran Kamal
Jan 5 2013: Yes, I am also worried about the massive ecological side effects that the extinction of a species will typically involve.
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If this mosquito that is responsible for so many deaths around the world were to become extinct our already rapidly growing human population would grow even faster than it already is, and this will have massive negative effects on our future generation's quality of life. Please don't mistake me when I say this, because I would not like anyone that I know to contract a fatal disease because they didn't apply enough deet. But the Earth does need to have a control mechanism on the rate of human population growth, otherwise it will be left to our politicians who will probably decide on something deeply unethical that resembles ethnic cleansing.
Is the science community at least not already convinced that everything in nature works in balance with one another, and an extinction of any species would destabilize the whole ecosystem? For example, one of David Attenborough's documentaries focused on a fungus that spreads relative to the size of a population of ants in the Amazon Rain Forest. When the population of ants went up, the chances of the ants getting this fungus that killed them increased and so reduced their population until the chance of them getting the fungus went down.
I think that we as humans should be humble enough to accept our place in this eco-system and be respectful enough to undergo hardship for the sake of a more stable, heathlier and happier Earth.
Hadyn Parry, just because we can do it, doesn't mean we should.
John Smith
Jan 6 2013: "Is the total eradication of mosquitoes a true solution?"
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No, a natural populations in nature need to survive to prevent ecosystem collapse, however, as with all vermin, there are far more mosquitoes in cities then there would be on the same area of land if there was no city on it and mosquitoes don't really play an ecological role in cities, so decimating mosquitoes in cities is fine, as long as it doesn't affect mosquito populations in nature. Genetically making mosquitoes sterile endangers natural mosquito populations and is therefore a stupid idea.
Jan 15 2013: Good point John. Singapore can be called a nations state city. The control of mosquites in that city is excellent, and it all goes to the dilligence of the public health service and their citizens who follow stringently the laws laid down to keep control of this menace.
May I also point out that during COLONIAL times, the scourge posited by mosquitoes was recognised and many containment programs were instituted to control them with very good effects.
So good in fact, that the threat was down graded and Malaria was fast receding everywhere.
Frome the mment many of these colonial states acheived self determination and government was handed over to indigenous people, these control measures were no longer considered neccessary and dispensed with. Usually under the guise of, "we can no longer afford them". No one ever pointed out that the previous colonial govts had the same income as the incoming indigenous govts.
So from where I sit, the reason the humble mosquitoe has made such a huge come back, is simply short sighted ness and stupidity of such govts. I guess you could say, they've cut their noses off, to spite their faces., and don't elicite much sympathy from me for their situation.
However, in all fairness, I must say the Australian Govt, (Federal AND State) are also very much guilty of similar crimes, especially in W.A. where we face the ever increasing threat of Ross River Virus spreading over larger and larger areas. It would appear our state Govt is not too conserned about the spread and the financial impact upon state coffers whilst carriers are imobilised with the disease for a lengthy period of recuperation. I am unaware of any control measures proposed or undertaken by our state Govt at this point in time.Jan 4 2013: The ecological aspect would seem tricky at first glance, but it really isn't. Even with this technology available to us, humans are in no way close to becoming the 'Banes of Mosquitoes'. In fact, our current behavior is the best thing that has ever happened to the mosquitoes; by giving them mobility to spread across the world, we have made them one of the strongest species on this planet. Mosquitoes have no natural capabilities that would allow them to spread in this way. Most mosquitoes have no business being in the Americas at all. So if we are doing anything, we are in fact correcting our previous disturbance of nature.
And also; since all males die within days, we can actively stop our 'treatment' at any given point. We have total control of the development, and can specify the exact number of mosquitoes world wide that we want.
This technology is literally perfect. It is for these kinds of situations that the word 'perfect' exists.
edward long
Jan 4 2013: Your conclusion seems to say that non-indigenous life forms can be annihilated without consideration of the impact. Is that true?
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Jan 4 2013: No, I address this in the second part of my answer; this technology doesn't necessarily wipe out the population since the males are short-lived. The process can be slowed down or reversed at our convenience. So you could start off with a smaller dispatch of these killer-males, and then customize your approach after observing the ecological effect.
edward long
Jan 4 2013: Thank you. Do females live long enough to allow "observing the ecological effect" of the annihilation of all males? How many males would need to be kept in reserve? You use the word "perfect" which guarantees 100% beneficial results with no risks. Are you sure you want that word?Jan 6 2013: @Edward Long
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You can always go in Egypt, grab the females and males of this species, and reintroduce it into America.
This technology is intended to remove that non-native mosquito from the countries in which it shouldn't be and it arrived in the last 30-50 years thanks to human trades, not to wipe it out from the entire world.
In respect to your former question, it should be considered that non-indigenous life forms have been introduced without consideration of the impact too. We were not even aware of it, so there has been no asses. It is fairly impossible for humans to actually understand how important are certain balances for an ecosystem, but to me the obvious answer out of ignorance is that "how nature made it before human intervention, should be fine restore it back".
I do agree that "perfect" is a dangerous word, though. ;-)Jan 9 2013: RE: "I wasn't able to reply. . .
We agree "perfect" will always be hypothetical in the natural realm. Thank you Mr. Mortensen.Jan 9 2013: @ Robert V'Ger
I read "total eradication of mosquitoes" to mean total eradication of mosquitoes. So Mr. Mortensen's proposal is to eradicate only non-indigenous species? If so, I agree that in cases where the introduction of non-indigenous species produces harmful results those species should be eradicated. It's a good idea to mimic the natural. Thank you!Jan 9 2013: @ Edward Long (I wasn't able to reply directly to your last post): Yes, I want that word, though I admit that it actually comes down to the motives of the USER of this approach.
The life-span of the females isn't relevant, as long as we leave a percentage of healthy males. Insects have a much faster reproduction cycle than you seem to realize. You have to view this process in terms of generations of mosquitoes; if you kill half of the next generation of offspring, you still have a healthy half to observe when planning your next move. This is just an example though, you could also use much less influence in order to gain understanding of the ecological effects of the treatment, in a specific environment.
EDIT: I just realized that I may have missed the point of this discussion. If the question that Domagoj Hackenberger (author of this thread) asked is taken out of it's context (a comment on a certain type of genetic manipulation; a tool), the answer becomes much simpler; killing every single member of a species without concern for the environment is not only wrong, it's actually pretty incomprehensible in a debate. The question in itself suggests action without contemplation, and it just makes me wonder if this is a course of action that anyone would suggest. At this point I feel that my personal opinion should be expressed, instead of further argumentation; I believe that the current mosquito population should be considered a pest, since it poses a lethal threat to our species. However I also believe that mosquitoes are beautiful creatures that should continue to enrich our environment on their own terms (as opposed to being carried around the world by our transportation routes).Jan 16 2013: Playing GOD is something humans invariabley do, with excrutiating outcomes. I do not believe we as a species are smart enough, or maybe wise enough is the term, to make these kinds of decisions.
Jan 27 2013: To expand on Timothy's idea:
Nassim Taleb's book Antifragility is about complexity and how we tend to ignore complexity in world around us. His book is also about the linear way in which we approach our world -- what you could call reductionist thinking instead of systems thinking. He argues that we don't have the mental capacity to understand the complexity and intelligence built into the world around us. And because of this he lives by the 2,000 year rule -- refusing to eat, drink, do anything that hasn't been around for at least 2,000 years. This means not drinking soda, not living with air conditioning, not eating oranges, and a host of other things.
What's the point? The 2,000 year rule is a belief in complexity. It's an acknowledgement that there is intelligence and purpose built into things that have survived over the years. And it's a mistrust of new the new things that are introduce into the world every day that haven't been tested against reality.
Just like Taleb I don't believe in our reductionist view of mosquitoes as pests to be rid of. I don't believe in changing something that has been around for 2,000+ years because a world without mosquitoes is untested against reality and is likely to have tremendous unforeseen consequences. Just look at the 2008 financial crisis. Are we really that good at controlling our fate and the world around us?Jan 14 2013: The sickle-cell genetic mutation occuring naturally in human blood cells in malaria regions, is an indication that a natural resistance to malaria is possible.
This has obviously taken thousands of years in indigenous populations to evolve in the blood, but nonetheless shows that resistance to malaria might potentially be modified by engineering our own resistance, rather than by wrecking yet another important ecosystem to which mosquitos belong.
Research in Kenya, where sickle-cell has developed as a 'trait' rather than as a pathology, has been shown to confer resistance on populations in this region where malaria is rife:
However, there are caveats to genetically modifying human immune responses via something similar to sickle-cell. One is that its over-development can cause anemia, lung problems and strokes. Secondly, Westerners visiting malaria regions would still have to rely on prophylaxes, which can be unreliable and whose efficacy can be finite.
My opinion is that modifying human resistance with what nature has shown us, is the way to go.
Eddy Schmid
Jan 9 2013: QUOTE; Is the total eradication of mosquitoes a true solution? UNQUOTE.
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Answer= NO !
In another life, I was heavily involved with the 'CONTROL' of the Anophelies mosquitoe. Also during that period I lived in Singapore and Malaya where there were heavy infestations of them and the dangers they posed to humans was serious indeed.
I must say that the Singaporeans took the threat very seriously and instituted excellent control measures to ensure the opportunities of rampant breeding were minimised with excellent results.
My earlier involvement was in Vietnam where they aslo posed serious dangers, however because of the turmoil caused by the war there, control measures were not co ordinated and peace meal only.
I believe there is a place for mosquitoes in our environment, though serious measures must be kept to keep their threat under control.
I notice no one has so far mentioned that mosquitoes and their larvae are serious food sources for anquatic life of all persuasions, cut out the food source of mosquitoes completelty and it will effect the aquatic life forms as well.Jan 5 2013: After some research:
I know that this method of mosquito control is very flexible and it is, theoretically, bulletproof.
But in mine opinion there is solutions that can be more direct and yield even better results. For example use of Bacillus thuringiensis Cry toxin in form of pellets (larvicide). The Cry toxin method is more demanding and even costs more but effect can be localized.
However, method presented in the video is very good for mosquitoes that have strong biological relation with urban areas (eg. Culex pipiens). Because pesticides have less effect in urban area.
For species that are not biologically related to cities (eggs are laid in swamps, ponds, lakes, wetlands eg. Aedes vexans) this method is not necessary.
Luke Alphey
Jan 5 2013: For container breeders like Aedes aegypti (the key vector of dengue) the problem with larviciding is finding the breeding sites. Bacillus thuringiensis israelensis works well, as do various chemicals - but only if you can get them into the breeding sites, which are essentially any small water-filled container - bucket, blocked rainwater gutter, used tyres, etc. There are so many of these in any urban environment that it is near-impossible in practice to find and treat enough of them. A key feature of engineered sterile males is that they will actively seek out the wild females over a significant area and thereby solve this searh problem. I agree that the situation will vary from species to species; for some mosquitoes breeding in larger bodies of water such as Aedes taeniorhynchus use of larvicides seems more effective.Jan 4 2013: You've made a valid point that makes a good case for mosquitoes. They are needed for ecological balance.
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But many plants and animals have gone into extinction as a result of human activities and excesses. I doubt if mosquitoes would be missed.Jan 4 2013: Good point Maybe the problem varies among types of misquitoes. In fact, it does.
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Jan 13 2013: Total eradication of the disease-bearing ones, IS a true SOLUTION.Jan 13 2013: This issue very well touches me cos its very particular to Africa. The devastation of malaria which directly results from mosquito bite is well known globally. Matter-of-factly, I'm just recovering from a bout of malaria, you can imagine how it feels to be sick... I mean malaria makes you useless as a human not mentioning productive man hour lost to this sickness Africa wide. Please complete eradication from Africa is what I advocate. If mosquitos are useful in other continents well..., but they aren't welcome in Africa
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Erik Nyquist
Jan 14 2013: In light of this vein of thinking, it is quite understandable if mosquitoes sought to remove humans from Africa. That is, in the hypothetical instance in which they were intelligent.
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But the negative consequences of eradication are more far reaching than most people understand. The complexities of ecosystems can be difficult to understand, and removing a significant part of one can have dramatic consequences that go well beyond just one species. You might find that the elimination of mosquitoes also harms all creatures that feed on them and their larvae: Fish, birds, reptiles, and amphibians.
How many people in Africa need Fish for their food? How about birds?
What if mosquitoes play some essential role in nature, as bees do? We might not understand it until it is too late and thy are already gone.
A better system is to deal with the specific problem: the diseases carried by mosquitoes and similar biting iinsects. In the United States (a country whose mosquito population in some parts would horrify even people from the Tropics....they can come in clouds sometimes), mosquitoes are controlled in heavily populated areas with pesticides, but live out their lives uninterrupted where there are few humans.
For prevention of diseases born by mosquitoes like malaria and certain kinds of flu, an extensive program of vaccination also is in place. Tonic (quinine) is also still used as a prophylactic even today as well.
It is possible to strike a balance with nature, you see. Try to fight it and it will fight you back; work with it and it will find room for you.Jan 12 2013: Not all species of mosquito bite, and of those that do, only the females are blood suckers. Mosquitoes mostly feed on plant nectar, but the females of some species require blood protein to develop eggs. Other species are able to produce once cycle of eggs without blood feeding but must find a host in order to produce subsequent egg clutches. Still others don't require blood at all, getting all the protein they need during their larval stage by eating the larvae of smaller species of mosquito.
So right off the bat, if you're going to get rid of any species of mosquito it would be those that require blood to develop eggs. Of those that can produce a single cycle of eggs without feeding on blood, it would be great if they could genetically engineer them to die, along with their male counterparts, after a single reproductive cycle (which they will do all on their own if they are unable to find a blood host).
I believe genetic researchers have been able to modify mosquitoes to produce a bacterium that kills the dengue virus before they become vectors of the disease. If they can achieve the same results with west Nile virus and encephalitis, it would be a start, but that still leaves us with malaria and heart worm (not to mention mosquito bites).
If the only way to put an end to the blood sucking ways of these tiny disease vectors is to eradicate them all, I suppose I'd be okay with it. But I'm confident we'll find a better solution through biotech.Jan 11 2013: I think eradication of any life-form is a primitive solution. I hope that in the near future genetic and nanotechnology will help ups deal with all manner of illness. My impression is that, in nature, when one predator or blood sucker dies off, another takes it's place. We should search hard to find a way to kill the plasmodium that causes malaria, etc. Eradicate that sucker.
Perhaps we should look at landscaping the tropical and subtropical regions of our planet to eradicate these types of pests. It's funny, but there is so much work to do on our planet it's hard to understand why people are out of work. We did it around the Panama Canal.
I defiantly wouldn't suggest we visit other planets and then come home. Incidentally, I think the idea behind our astronauts going to mars and staying there was a spin off from the idea they could bring some kind of alien plague back with them.
We don't see the problems with malaria and other insect borne illnesses here in America. I wonder if its because of our geography or is it a result of the way we manage our land? Of course there is also the possibility we have polluted the waterways so bad that insects have a problem staying alive. :) Maybe our populations is sparse by comparison to other countries where the inhabitants cling closely to the waterways.
In the short term, my real answer is: Yes, kill the suckers while we can.Jan 9 2013: IMHO this question makes little sense: a true solution for what?
Since it has been inspired by the video, one should answer with illnesses. But then again, in the video no one talks of "total eradication of mosquitoes". In the worst case one can claim they want to eradicate one specie, while the author really talks about eradicating that specie only where it is not native. So, no total eradication at all.
Then, also the answers make little effort to move aside from assumptions. Yes, mosquitoes are needed for the current ecological system balance, no argue. But the question is: how would be the ecological system balance that would result from erasing from existence all the mosquitoes? better/worse in what terms? Exactly what do we loose and what do we gain? Would it be possible to replace part of the current mosquitoes contribute to the current balance with something else, possibly provided by humans, or not? Can we successfully adapt to the loss of segments of wildlife that are instead tied with it and would disappear? In what it would be better, in what it would be worse? Under which assumptions?
Unless the author restricts the domain of the question a little, and explains it, there is very little to be said on this topic.. except biased viewpoints based on beliefs. One can not foresee the future with a magic ball.Jan 8 2013: I sure would be glad to see them go. Bats can eat something else.Jan 6 2013: Will killing off ALL mosquito kill off bats as well. Bats are pollinators. I do not want to have to pollinate everything with a paint brush do you? I think this is a huge mistep.
http://www.ted.com/talks/emma_teeling_the_secret_of_the_bat_genome.html?quote=1955Jan 5 2013: You got it wrong. Hadyn Parry was talking about lowering th population of Aedes aegypti which is invading species. It'll just help that ecosystem return to homeostasis. Interspecific exchange of genes doesn't happed (and even if it does the offspring are dead anyway) so local mosquitoes are safe.
Only in north Africa it's extinction would make a permanent change in environment.
Jan 5 2013: What's with other species like Anopheles or Culex? Some of the mosquito species that transfer diseases are indigenous to some areas of the world.
I did not said that there will be interspecial gene exchange. I was just concerned about ecological impact on wildlife, theoretically if we wipe out mosquitoes.
Luke Alphey
Jan 5 2013: Any intervention (chemicals, engineered sterile males, whatever) should be analysed for potential risk to the environment and human health on a case by case basis. However, as a general point Jaroslaw's "it's an invading species" is a good one - one would not expect a recently arrived species to be a key part of a native ecosystem. In general, mosquitoes are not keystone species even where they are native. A commentary in Nature in 2010 suggest that the (hypothetical) elimination of all mosquitoes would have minimal effect
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even suggested role as pollinators seems minimal
However one feature of the use of engineered sterile males is that they are extremely species-specific; this would not be the elimination of 'mosquitoes' but of 'one species of mosquito in the area of the control programme'. There are about 3,500 named species of mosquito. Also, as other contributors have noted, one could suppress but not eliminate if that were thought desirable.


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Good Things Are Happening at Hotel Griffou
There have been some threads that have recognized the drastic upswing in food at Hotel Griffou, but somehow it is till flying under the radar, or underestimated because of its shaky beginnings with a different chef. David Santos, late of 5 & Diamond in Harlem, is cooking up a storm at Griffou, and he has been offering special tasting menu dinners once a month (usually on Mondays, but occasionally, such as this month, a different day of the week). There has been one thread about the Sunday brunch here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/767881 but I think I'm more excited about dinner at HG, and especially the tasting dinners. He's pared this one from 7-courses down to 5. The larger number of courses meant quite a long dinner. Cost of this dinner is $75 including all beer.
Here's the July 27th (Wednesday) dinner, with beer pairings!
Tasting Menu
Summer truffle egg
Kasteel Cru, Alsace
Watermelon and sakai crudo, Buttermilk sorbet
Hell or High Watermelon wheat beer, San Francisco
Sweetfish tempura, miso remoulade, avocado
Hitachino Nest, Japan
Lobster ravioli, summer squash, foie gras emulsion
Biere de Miel, Belgium
Belly and loin of Iowa farms pig, corn pudding, pickled succotash
Dogfish Hell Hound, Delaware
Tobacco poached cherries, chocolate sable cookies, stout ice cream
Geary's London Porter, Maine
I've been to previous tastings, and the portions of food and drink are most generous. And best of all, David Santos's food is exuberant, flavorful, and imaginative. Although the kitchen staff is small, Santos finds the time to come out and say hello to his guests and share his passion for food and fun. I'm only sorry I can't make it this month, but next month, I'm there!
I have to admit that one of my motivations for posting this is my hope that some Chowhounds go and report back. Reservations are required, via phone at 212.358.0228 or email at firstname.lastname@example.com
Hotel Griffou
21 W 9th St, New York, NY 10011
5 & Diamond
2072 Frederick Douglass Blvd, New York, NY 10026
re: bob96
I'm well aware of the review. In fact, it was one of the motivations for me posting. I can't criticize the critic. I have no reason to think that Steve Cuozzo had/has an ax to grind, but the food I've tasted there has had no resemblance to the food I've eaten there, and maybe the kitchen was having an off-night. I think it's more likely Cuozzo was having an off-night. The kitchen certainly doesn't deserve the snide tone. There aren't enough people enjoying HG, but those that do go seem as enthusiastic as me.
Thanks, Dave. Great tip. I'm not sure I can make it this month, either, but you've put it on my radar. I've never been for food, only drinks.
Strangely, there's no mention of the tasting dinner at all on their website! http://www.griffou.com/
Do you know what time it begins?
re: michelleats
I'm wondering the same too. Any additional details on this? And, what if you don't want to drink?
re: Cheeryvisage
It starts a 8 p.m.
In the email I received, there is no mention of a separate charge for just the food. My husband drinks but I don't (or so little, it barely counts), so that's an issue for us when special dinners don't separate the cost of food and alcoholic beverages. If you are interested in going to this one, you might call and see if they would be willing to make a deduction.
re: Cheeryvisage
Cheery, I was wondering about whether not drinking was an option, too. I just called to ask and the (very nice) reservationist told me that this was a beer tasting event and they couldn't really just do the food. She did suggest that I take someone who could drink both our beers for us. Happily, I have some friends who might be able to do that. Let me know if you want to borrow one. ;)
She confirmed that the event begins at 8 p.m. (thanks, RGR, for posting this info) and that the entire event would take about 2 to 2.5 hours. If you go with a dining companion, you'd have your own table and could eat at your own pace.
re: michelleats
Thank you for your kind offer. Haha.
Good to know the additional details on this event. I'm going to see if I can clear the calendar for next Wednesday.
re: Cheeryvisage
I get the feeling that beer was the inspiration for the menu in the first place. I know the waiters had a heavy hand on the wine during the last dinner. In the past, the tastings did have a no-alcohol option. Also, the kitchen was most gracious about substitutions for allergies and aversions.
re: michelleats
If someone were to just want the food. Id be happy split off the two. It would be 50 for food and 25 for the beer. Will try to get some more stuff up on the website if i can.
re: chopjwu12
Thanks! That's nice of you to be so accommodating.
(And thank you, too, for being open about your association with the restaurant -- and not being sneaky / pushy with the advertising, but rather informative.)
re: michelleats
Excellent for having a food-only option. I made a reservation. :)
Will report back.
re: michelleats
No problem. Im the chef and will help with information as much as i can. I will let the people who have come in talk about what we are doing. They can be the voice of experience.
re: chopjwu12
Great! I was also hoping for food-only option. I'll have to make a reservation soon.
re: michelleats
It starts at 8.
re: Dave Feldman
The chef also posts about these upcoming menus at NY Mouthfuls.
re: Riverman500
That's mouthfulsfood.com If you try mouthfuls without the food, you get an entirely different type of website. :-)
At any rate, I've eaten Dave's food at 5 & Diamond and now at Hotel Griffou... he's an excellent chef, the food that's coming out at H.Griffou is fantastic and I'd highly recommend going for the tasting &/or for dinner any time. Tuesday nights is great for starting at the bar and eating inexpensive oysters paired with a wine deal that was very nice when we went (Weimer Reisling for $20/bottle).
Hotel Griffou
21 W 9th St, New York, NY 10011
5 & Diamond
2072 Frederick Douglass Blvd, New York, NY 10026
re: Steve R
I made the same mistake once re: mouthfuls and got, well, more than my mouth was up for! A second on the oysters at HG -- the restaurant got some funky belons this season that were out of this world.
I'm so glad you posted this, Dave! We haven't been able to be at any of the previous tastings, and it doesn't look as though we will make this one either. :( But that said...
We were familiar with David Santos' culinary talents before he took over the kitchen at Griffou because he had previously been the chef de cuisine at Nicholas, an upscale NJ restaurant (considered the best in the state) where we've dined many times.
We had dinner at Griffou recently. The food he is serving here is more rustic than Nicholas's, but there are many hints of that haute style, and every dish we had was seriously delicious. I can't describe it more perfectly than you have: "exuberant, flavorful, and imaginative." :)
I have heard reports from others whose opinions I trust that their experiences at Griffou have been exactly the same as yours and mine. It would be a pity if Cuozzo's "review" (if you can even call it that) keeps people from going because they will be missing out on truly wonderful food.
Hotel Griffou photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11863391...
Hotel Griffou
21 W 9th St, New York, NY 10011
re: RGR
As Cuozzo's review exemplifies, the problem at HG seems to be that its origins as a party bar for raucous young Wall Street types seems to disqualify it as a place to take seriously for food. This matters not a whit to me. The small dining rooms are shielded from the bar and I haven't found it a problem at all.
Santos put his time in at Bouley and Per Se, too, and his technique is stellar (you can see it in everything from the complex bone marrow flan), but you can also see the personal touch in his re imaginings of Bolognese (right now, it's goat Bolognese) The tasting menus are fun because at least once a month he gets to cook whatever he wants.
There are places with wide-ranging menus where the instinct is to order simple preparations; at HG, my general advice is to order the "weird" stuff. It's likely to be well-executed and most reflective of the chef's skill.
re: Dave Feldman
Yes, I agree Griffou's reputation is a big problem. Plus the fact that, as I understand it, the food previously was not good and received a royal panning from (I think) Bruni. So, it's important to get the word out that there is a new chef, that David's stellar background is evident in his cooking, and the food he is serving -- both the simpler dishes and those that are more complex -- is excellent.
I think what's happening at Hotel Griffou right now -- new chef with great credentials who's never yet had a chance to fly takes over kitchen of obnoxious douchebag lounge and turns it into one of the very best mid-priced restaurants in New York -- is one of the big stories on the New York dining scene.
But nobody's reporting it.
This place should be recognized -- and patronized -- by people who are serious about food. (Even if on some nights you might have to ignore a little obnoxiousness -- on behalf of other patrons, not the staff -- to do so.)
Hotel Griffou
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Do you only serve the tasting menus on Wednesdays? I can't find any information on your website.
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We actually put the tasting on hold for the summer. We didnt want it to compete with the gilt city offer we are doing. But in september the chefs tasting will be back in full force. But i do a special tasting once a month that allows me to express a certain topic or ingredient. Thats what this past wednesday was.


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Different Miller Thunderbolt XL found. It's an AC / DC unit. A few years old but here is a picture. Diff. question for you all this time though! What would you pay for it if the leads were missing - stinger/ground clamp vs what would you pay for it complete!
my target is $200 but would be willing to go with $250 - no leads under $200 - is that ridiculous?!
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Think I found a winner
A nice one just sold on ebay for $300 another one for $400. This one the case is kinda beat up. Make sure it works. Is it missing just the ground & stinger or the cables also? Depending on the size cable is about $2.00/3.00 a foot I think plus another $20/25 each for a work clamp & electrode holder. That will add up quick.MM250
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Yep, that's the welder you're looking for.
It looks like the leads are on it. If all you need is the stinger and ground clamp you should be able to get those for under $50.00 easy.
Make sure it works! plug it in and check it in each position. If there's nothing on the ends of the leads just fire it up and smack the two ends of the leads together quickly. If it makes sparks it's working. IMO, $200-250 is a reasonable and fair price.
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Now - if he can find the stinger and ground clamp - firing it up and not having any rods to run - same 'general' test? just touching the stinger metal to something else metal for a spark?
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Certainly hope that wasn't a Craigslist ad...gone by now.Miller 251...sold the spoolgun to DiverBill.
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Hi John where is the welder located? We can hook up my leeds and run some beads if you like to. Call me if you want to do this i'll bring some rods.
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Pick up the cheap harbor freight ground clamp and stinger. Take them with and put them on. You can always take them back.


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It's Sunday night. It's been an insanely long and awesome week. I'm a little tipsy from Super Bowl bevvies. I've already done a lot of writing today. So I'm copping out on the writing for this week's From the Editor's Desk and doing it video style.
To be honest, I probably could have went on here for an hour. There's THAT much to talk about between the launch event, the BlackBerry Z10, CrackBerry's upcoming redesign and more. But we'll save that for a full-out podcast this week and a bunch of follow-up editorials. I kept this one to six minutes. Be sure to watch it if you want to hear about my thoughts on BlackBerry's Super Bowl commercial.
As for the second coming of CrackBerry, I just want to say BE READY FOR IT. It's been a LONG time since we've had a new hero device for BlackBerry, and we've NEVER had a BRAND NEW phone platform before. Expect to see the site get flooded with awesome content from all areas over the days and weeks and months ahead. We're going to be covering it all. Help and how tos, app and accessory reviews, editorials like crazy. Remember, CrackBerry isn't a tech news site. I hate it when people think of us in that vein. We're a community and a service provider, and we're here to help BlackBerry owners get the absolute most out of their device ownership experience. We. Do. Everything. This is what makes CrackBerry so Great. So get ready for it!
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Damn!!! Wanted to be first.
Commercial was "meh": not great, not bad. I agree with Kevin, it's important that they had one. Would have been nice if it had been a home run, but whatever.
Wtf, was the ad removed from NFL.com, it was first by a long shot!
YouTube has a site where you can watch and vote on your favorite Super Bowl Adds (49 are listed).... but the BlackBerry add isn't there either.
Where have I heard that thing about not being "just a news site" before... Was it in the "Waiting Room" thread? I think it was...
No, it was in this thread about what makes CrackBerry so Great!!!
Added that link to the blog post too. Thanks for the reminder. :)
Ha! I missed that one. I was actually just being a facetious and referring to a post I made. But even that wasn't in the "Waiting Room" thread. It was in the "10 weeks of BlackBerry 10" thread from before the launch. That'll teach me to go writing comments post-Super Bowl...
Lol. In their live blog BG posted CrackBerry Kevin. It's all good man.
They should have emphasized BlackBerry Logo somewhere on the screen for the full 30 seconds ... talking about a huge opportunity for brand recognition here. But you are right Kevin, it's a small step for mankind but a giant step already for BBRY... even though this step can be executed better, it's a step forward after all.
I don't think BBRY succeeded in getting the masses talking. Only people who follow Blackberry. For the masses, it's just "What Blackberry commercial?" The loud colors and special effects just weren't enough
I did love both Doritos commercials and the Volkwagen one (White guy with Jamaican accent) ;).
Thanks, Kevin.
Bottom line? It wasn't what you'd expect from a BlackBerry commercial. The phone looked sharp, good tag line...
We all have such high expectations that it could have been, "Here's God on why He prefers the BlackBerry Z10..."
And folks would still complain.
Commercial is better the more you see it, It was almost like they needed to start with "In 30 seconds its easier to show you what the phone can't do...."
There most be high traffic on CrackBerry.com.... Lately there have been several times when the site fails to load...
Keep up the good work!
@Kevin, Please cut your hair already, for reals.
Reverse pyschology, people who seen the commercial and found it good or bad doesn't matter, little did they know that the subconscious mind is now asking what the hell is BlackBerry Z10 is all about. This will lead them to un- fullfillment and un-inform, which the conscious mind will lead them to research what the hell is that untill they are satisfied. What a clever advert! That's marketing genious!
I have hated every single ad they put out before this. This one was just clever. It took me a while to realize. Had to watch it multiple times and read peoples comment, then that's when I realized how the ad actually worked.
It's just one piece of the puzzle. They have to execute the rest of their campaign to get a real verdict on how well the marketing team did.
It was a terrible commercial. It made no sense and didn't show the phone in action besides a 2 second view of the hub. If I wasn't a BB fan, it would have peaked zero interest in me (which was the case from everyone else at my SB party).
BBRY better get on the horn to NFL offices on Park Ave ASAP. Why is the ad no longer on the SB commercials page??? Because it was beating the Bud ad, a high-paying sponsor of the league?
Why in hell was the BB commercial removed from NFL's website!? They didn't like Canadian company's ad to be the most highly rated ad there. What a shame. You can't keep a great product down. Sooner or later Americans will realize that.
Not sure if the anti-foreign companies is the approach I would take. Kia, Samsung, Toyota, and Hyundai aren't exactly US companies.
I guess they'll put it back once the other ads surpass BB's rating. This is ridiculous. Blackberry should protest. They paid for the ad.
Kevin it looks like you're back in Toronto now so I don't know when or if the ad was aired there. I spent the weekend in Buffalo so got to see it among all the US ads and unfortunately it ran during the power outage when the network was dumping out all the ads in order to kill time. Especially in that context the 30 second slot got a bit lost among the longer more brand obvious ads. As somebody mentioned this could have been resolved by putting the concept first (in 30 seconds we can only show you what the phone can't do) as well as flashing a logo/slogan at the end (ie. "BlackBerry. We're Back." or something like that...). There was no way to know about the power out, and normally people may have been a bit more focused, but we ARE talking about a semidrunk target audience after all, so maybe a few of the subtleties could have been left at the door. As a stand- alone, the ad is pretty good. I agree with you that the most critical thing is that bb showed up to the game.
Another important thing is that our golden voice girl, Ms. Alicia Keys, did a fantastic earth stopping rendition of The Star Spangled Banner to open the game. Even my 7 month old stopped all his squirming and fussing to listen.
So I give it a thumbs up overall, despite the unfortunate game delay.
PS If you want to book a hair appointment with my girl at W on Queen West let me know, its on me...lol...I'm a dude originally from K-W by the way.
Hey guy did you see the Pre Super Bowl Ad Commercial 2013 Mashup.
As opposed to typical Ad presented during Superbowl that need to be lite and funny
...This other Ad is quite good giving a very good image of what was, is and will be Blackberry
You could find it on Youtube
Hey Kevin,
You aren't allowed to rebroadcast the NFL in any form........
Sorry, but I thought it was the least memorable ad of the night. No one who wasn't already a Blackberry fan and knew what the Z10 was would even know what it was about.
There were so many themes they could have used - Blackberry rebirth, a Phoenix rising, a brand new Blackberry (e.g. not your father's Blackberry). Could have focused on a brand new OS and amazing capabilities. Nope - instead lots of BS telling us what it can't do???
Major failure in my opinion. If that's hateration - so be it.
Any answers to these questions below:
Why can't I see what time it is when I'm in an app?
Why does a swipe up on the BlackBerry Hub screen cause a panel to enter the UI from the right?
Why doesn't it sync to the server instantly when I read an email as with other smartphone platforms, so other devices know to mark opened messages as read?
Why isn't a BBM chat scrolled down to the most recent message when I get an alert and access the appropriate chat in BlackBerry Hub?


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Let me get this straight. A new thread is opened talking about predictions and every time a Dolphins fan writes that he thinks the Dolphins will win, the response from the OP is to talk ****?
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Itsukushima Shinto Shrine
Itsukushima Shinto Shrine
The island of Itsukushima, in the Seto inland sea, has been a holy place of Shintoism since the earliest times. The first shrine buildings here were probably erected in the 6th century. The present shrine dates from the 12th century and the harmoniously arranged buildings reveal great artistic and technical skill. The shrine plays on the contrasts in colour and form between mountains and sea and illustrates the Japanese concept of scenic beauty, which combines nature and human creativity.
Sanctuaire shinto d'Itsukushima
Lieu saint du shintoïsme depuis les temps les plus reculés, l'île d'Itsukushima, dans la mer intérieure de Seto, aurait accueilli ses premiers sanctuaires au VIe siècle. Le sanctuaire actuel date du XIIe siècle et ses bâtiments harmonieusement disposés témoignent d'une grande qualité artistique et technique. Composition jouant, entre mer et montagne, sur les contrastes de couleurs et de masses, le sanctuaire d'Itsukushima illustre parfaitement le concept japonais de la beauté d'un panorama unissant paysage naturel et création humaine.
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Синтоистское святилище Ицукусима
Остров Миядзима во Внутреннем Японском море, вместе с расположенным на нем святилищем Ицукусима был священным местом синтоизма начиная с самых ранних времен. Здания первых святилищ возникли здесь, вероятно, в VI в. Существующее в наши дни святилище датируется XIII в., при этом гармоничность в расположении его построек говорит о большом художественном вкусе и техническом умении. Святилище выделяется контрастом красок и форм на фоне гор и моря, и служит иллюстрацией японской концепции живописной красоты, которая объединяет творчество природы и творения человека.
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Santuario sintoísta de Itsukushima
Lugar santo del sintoísmo desde tiempos muy antiguos, la isla de Itsukushima, situada en el mar interior de Seto, vio alzarse su primer templo en el siglo VI. El santuario actual data del siglo XII y sus edificios, armónicamente dispuestos, son testigos de la gran maestría técnica y artística de sus constructores. Su diseño y composición juegan con el contraste de colores y volúmenes entre el mar y la montaña, ilustrando así perfectamente el concepto japonés de la belleza escénica, que une la hermosura del paisaje natural a la creatividad humana.
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Itsukushima Shinto heiligdom
Het eiland Itsukushima in de Seto binnenzee is een heilige plaats van het shintoïsme sinds de vroegste tijden. Er zijn vermoedens dat het Itsukushima heiligdom werd opgericht in 593, hoewel het bestaan ervan niet is bevestigd tot 811. Het huidige heiligdom dateert uit de 12e eeuw en de harmonieus geplaatste gebouwen – gebouwd aan de voet van de berg Misen – tonen grote artistieke en technische vaardigheid. Het heiligdom speelt in op de contrasten in kleur en vorm tussen de bergen en de zee en illustreert het Japanse concept van landschappelijke schoonheid, die de natuur en menselijke creativiteit combineert.
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The Island of Itsukushima, in the Seto inland sea, has been a holy place of Shintoism since the earliest times. The first shrine buildings here were probably erected in the 6th century. The present shrine dates from the 13th century but is an accurate reflection of the12th century construction style and was founded by the most powerful leader of the time, Taira no Kiyomori.
The property covers 431.2 hectares on the Island of Itsukushima, and the buffer zone (2,634.3 ha) includes the rest of the island and part of the sea in front of Itukushima-jinia. The property comprises seventeen buildings and three other structures forming two shrine complexes (the Honsha complex forming the main shrine, and Sessha Marodo-jinja complex) and ancillary buildings as well as a forested area around Mt. Misen.
The buildings of Itsukushima-jinja are in the general tradition of Japanese Shinto architecture, in which a mountain or natural object becomes the focus of religious belief to be worshipped from a shrine, generally constructed at the foot of the mountain. The harmoniously arranged shrine buildings in the property are located on the sea and the scenery, with a trinity composed of the man-made architecture in the centre, the sea in the foreground, and the mountains in the background, and have become recognized as a Japanese standard of beauty. The sites reveal great artistic and technical skill and are unique among extant shrine buildings in Japan. The shrine is an outstanding and unique architectural work which combines manmade achievements and natural elements. It is tangible proof of the great achievements of Taira no Kiyomori.
Even though the buildings of Itsukushima-jinja have been reconstructed twice, this was done in a scrupulously accurate manner preserving the styles that prevailed from the late 12th century to the early 13th century.
The property is a Shinto shrine, a religion which centres on polytheistic nature worship, the origin of which goes back to primitive times. Over its long history, it has developed into a religion which became unique in the world, adopting continental influences to combine with its own indigenous traditions. Japanese spiritual life is deeply rooted in this religion.
Criterion (i): The configuration of the shrine buildings of ltsukushima-jinja presents an excellent architectural scene on the lines of the aristocratic residential style of this period. It is an outstanding work combining manmade and natural elements. The buildings exhibit great artistic and technical merit and are sited on the sea with a backdrop of impressive mountains.
Criterion (ii): The shrine buildings of Itsukushima-jinja are in the general tradition of Shinto shrine architecture in Japan and provide invaluable information for the understanding of the evolving spiritual culture of the Japanese people, namely the Japanese concept of scenic beauty. The most important aspect of Itsukushima-jinja is the setting of the shrine buildings as the central part of a trinity with the sea in the foreground and mountains in the background, recognized as a standard of beauty against which other examples of scenic beauty have come to be understood.
Criterion (iv): The buildings of Itsukushima-jinja, which through scrupulously accurate reconstructions have preserved styles from the late 12th and early 13th centuries, are outstanding examples of the ancient type of shrine architecture integrated with the surrounding landscape, the physical manifestation of humankind's worship of nature.
Criterion (vi): Japanese spiritual life is deeply rooted in ancient shintoism which is centred on polytheistic nature worship. ltsukushima-jinja provides important clues understanding this aspect of Japanese religious expression.
The boundaries of the property include all the shrine buildings and natural elements that are indispensable for demonstrating the harmonious building arrangement and the integrated scenic beauty at the time of its original construction by Taira no Kiyomori in the 12th century. Moreover, the remaining area of the island and a section on the sea forms an overall buffer zone to control proposed development activities, and thus the integrity of the property is intact.
The authenticity of the Itsukushima-jinja monuments and landscape is high and in complete accord with the principles enunciated in the Nara Document on Authenticity of 1994. As an ancient place of religious or spiritual importance, the setting continues to reflect the scenic harmony of the monuments, sea, and mountain forest and is properly maintained from both cultural and natural viewpoints. The design expressing the monuments' historic value, including the character of the plan, structure, exterior appearance, and interior space, remains unchanged from its original state. In addition, the original materials are preserved to a great extent in the structural framework and other fundamental parts of the monuments. When new materials are required, the same type of materials are used with the same techniques based on detailed investigation. The property still retains high level of authenticity in terms of form/design, materials/substance, traditions/techniques, location/setting and spirit.
Protection and management requirements
The twenty buildings that make up the component monuments included in the property are designated as a National Treasure or Important Cultural Properties. The entire area of 431.2 ha, in which the buildings are set and including the forest land surrounding them and the sea in front of Itsukushima-jinia, is designated as a Special Historic Site, a Special Place of Scenic Beauty or Natural Monument. Thus, the property is properly protected under the 1950 Law for the Protection of Cultural Properties. Under the law, proposed alterations to the existing state of the property are restricted: any alteration must be approved by the national government.
The property is also protected under the 1957 Natural Parks Law. In addition, within the 431.2 ha area, a forested zone of approximately 422 ha is designated as a City Park Area by Hiroshima Prefecture under the 1956 City Parks Law. These laws impose restrictions on construction of new buildings and tree felling.
Land on the island, other than the property area and a section of the sea, forms the buffer zone, which is covered wholly under the 1950 Law and the 1957 Law to protect and preserve the cultural and natural environments and to restrict any acts that might adversely affect their existing conditions, inter alia construction of new structures and tree felling.
The twenty buildings as component monuments of the property are owned by the Itsukushima-jinja Religious Organization, which is responsible for their management. The organization employs a qualified conservation architect who plans and supervises routine maintenance and repair works including, in particular, damage repair after typhoons. As all of the monuments and their surrounding buildings are made of wood, each of the monuments is equipped with automatic fire alarms, fire hydrants, and lightning arresters.
The national government provides both financial assistance and technical guidance through its Agency for Cultural Affairs. Other agencies and organizations associated with the protection and management of the property area include the Ministry of Environment, the Forestry Agency, the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism, Hiroshima Prefecture, and Hatsukaichi City.
Long Description
The shrine buildings of Itsukushima-jinja are in the general tradition of Shinto shrine architecture in Japan, generally constructed at the foot of a mountain. They have preserved the styles prevailing from the late 12th to the early 13th centuries and are important as examples of the ancient type of shrine architecture integrated with the surrounding landscape, the physical manifestation of human worship of nature.
The buildings consist of the main shrine buildings (Honsha), constructed and composed to achieve harmony within a single design concept, and the other buildings that have been added to them over a long period of history. Each building has high architectural quality in itself.
The architectural style of the north-facing Honsha buildings and the west-facing buildings of the Sessha Marodo-jinja, connected by the kairo (roofed corridor), was influenced by the aristocratic dwelling-house style of the Heian period. The frontal view of the buildings, with the mountain as a backdrop, is emphasized; the entire area, from the Otorii in the foreground to the mountain in the background, resembles a succession of folding screens. The delicate forms of the red-painted buildings in front of the dark green of the mountain create a striking composition with sharp contrasts of colour and mass.
Like many other Shinto shrines that had constructed Buddhist buildings, Itsukushima-jinja lost many of them after the rejection of Buddhism with the Meiji Restoration of 1868. The few that survive in the surrounding hills are considered to be as indispensable to the history of ltsukushima-jinja as its Shinto monuments.
Honsha: the buildings, consisting of the Haraiden , Haiden (worship hall), Heiden (Hei hall) and Honden (main hall) are on the axis of the Otorii . The Haraiden projects out towards the sea and the Haiden and Honden , linked by the Heiden and covered by a single roof structure, are ranged behind it, parallel to the sea. They give a calm and elegant impression with the delicate lines of their generously spreading eaves, the soft roof surfaces, and the horizontal lines of the floors, nageshi (horizontal tie-beams), and kahiranuki (head tie-beams). They are supported on structural frames composed of massive wooden columns and kumimono (brackets).
In front of the Haraiden is the Hirabutai (ceremonial platform), which is connected by a plank floor to the Higashi-kairo (east corridor) and the Nishi-kairo (west corridor) for access from other parts of the complex. The Hirabutai projects forward and is the setting for the Takabutai (stage), with vermilion lacquered balustrades on four sides. The court dances performed on this stage were brought from the capital in the Heian period (794-1184) and have been preserved by the priests of ltsukushima for more than eight centuries.
The Sessha Marodo-jinja shrine complex, north-east of the Honsha group, faces west. Its components (Haraiden , Haiden , Heiden , Honden ) are laid out in the same form as those of the Honsha, and are very similar in style.
The area contains the ancillary buildings associated with Shintoism and Buddhism that accreted over the centuries around the famous Shinto shrine. These include the Gojunoto (five-storey pagoda), Tahoto (two-storey pagoda), Sessha Tenjin-sha Honden and Massha Hokoku-jinja Honden (Senjokaku).Source: UNESCO/CLT/WHC
Historical Description
ltsukushima Island is one of many in the western part of the Setonaikai (Set0 Inland Sea), between the islands of Honshu and Shikoku. Because it has the region's highest mountain, Mount Misen (530 m), it has been worshipped by people in the region since ancient times: they felt such awe that they dared not set foot on it, worshipping it from afar. However, their faith was so great that they were driven to construct shrines on the shores of the island on more than one occasion.
It is thought that Itsukushima-jinja was founded in 593, although its existence is not confirmed before 811. The Nihon Koki states that ltsukushima no kami (the god of Itsukushima) took his place among the celebrated gods, and the Imperial household began to present hei (sacred staffs with cut paper at the top) to the shrine. It became known as a sacred shrine in the COUntn/ of Aki during the Heian Period (794-1184).
It is not known when building work began. However, it is recorded that Saeki Kagehiro, a Shinto Priest, reported to the Imperial Court that he reconstructed the main shrine buildings in 1168: during this work the scale of the buildings was increased and the roofing of some was changed from shingles to Japanese cypress bark. This reconstruction, believed to have been financed by Taira no Kiyomori, the most powerful leader of the time, Set the Standards for subsequent reconstructions in both scale and composition. Kiyomori believed that he owed his successful record in the civil wars of Hogen and Heiji and his subsequent political promotion to his religious faith in Itsukushima-jinja, and the belief that the god of ltsukushima was a guardian deity of the Heike family deepened his veneration of the shrine, where he worshipped on every important political occasion of his life.
The reconstructed main shrine buildings were destroyed by fire in 1207 in the Kamakwa Period (1185-1332) and reconstructed eight years later, only to be burnt down once again in 1223. This time the reconstruction took longer, not being completed until 1241; the major surviving shrine buildings date from this reconstruction. From this time onwards, total reconstruction of the complex became too large a task and so buildings were reconstructed on an individual basis. During the Kamakuta Period the shrine was under the Patronage of the feudal government, but in the succeeding Muromachi Period (1333-1572) this came to an end.
Since ltsukushima-jinja was built by the sea, it suffered repeated damage from wind and flooding, but each time it was restored with the support of influential people at national and local level throughout the ages. The Otorii (large Shrine gate), Set in the sea, was especially vulnerable and was frequently reconstructed, most recently in 1875. New buildings were also added to the main compound, to create the present ensemble - the Gojunoto (five-storey pagoda) in 1407, the Tahoto (two-storey pagoda) in 1523, the Sessha Tenjin-sha Honden in 1556, and the MaSSha Hokoku-jinja Honden (Senjokaku) in 1587.
ltsukushima Island has an important commercial role in the Inland Sea by virtue of its position. By the late Muromachi Period (1233-1573) a market had been opened on the island, round which an urban area developed. A Buddhist temple was erected near the summit of Mount Misen, and this also attracted many pilgrims and visitors. The island lost the somewhat forbidding character as a sacred island reserved exclusively for the act of worship, that it had had in ancient times and became an open island possessing great beauty from its integrated landscape of religious buildings and natural features, so that by the middle of the Edo Period (1600-1866) it had become acknowledged as one of the Three Most Scenic Places in Japan (Aki no Miyaiima).Source: Advisory Body Evaluation
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Biologists shocked endangered loons killed in Gilford and Dover
MOULTONBOROUGH - Loon Preservation Committee biologists and staff were surprised and angry to learn that two adult male loons, which are an endangered and protected species, were shot in Dover and Gilford last week.
The birds were shot on consecutive days with different caliber bullets, so it's most likely there were different shooters involved, said LPC Senior Biologist and Executive Director Harry Vogel.
But the shootings shook the LPC staff, which works tirelessly with volunteers every year to preserve the state's current 284 pairs of loons.
"It's apparently open season on loons," he said. "It's not hunting season, and neither bird was shot with bird-shot. And we have just 284 pairs of them; that's not a lot of birds."
On Tuesday, Fish and Game was notified that a loon had been found wounded in a field near the Cocheco River in Dover. The bird had been hit in the abdomen on Monday, but the wound was not fatal, said Vogel.
It was found by workers at a nearby animal shelter, he said.
"The loon in Dover was rehabilitated and was able to be released back into the wild," Vogel said, explaining that the bullet was lodged near the bird's shoulder.
That loon had a tracking band on it, so LPC officials will be able to follow its progress.
"It may still die," Vogel said. "It was determined that it was safer to leave the bullet in the bird than to try and remove it."Later on Tuesday, Fish and Game officials were called to the shores of Lake Winnipesaukee in Gilford near Varney Point. A loon was found dead there of a gunshot wound, authorities said."That loon had been shot on Tuesday and was dead," Vogel said.
Both incidents are being investigated by Fish and Game conservation officers and an officer from U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. The common loon is protected by both state and federal law under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act.
In New Hampshire, loons are considered a threatened species, and it is a misdemeanor to injure or shoot a loon or attempt to do so. Vogel doesn't think the shootings, which happened miles apart, are connected.
LPC volunteers were saddened to find a third loon dead last week in Wentworth Lake, this one killed by ingesting a lead fishing jig, Vogel said. Lead fishing jigs were just outlawed by the state, but the law doesn't take effect until 2016.
Vogel urged people to stop using lead jigs now. "The volunteers had to sit there and watch as the loon writhed and went through its death throes," Vogel said. "If that jig had not been lead, that loon would be happily living somewhere."
Members of the Loon Preservation Committee, a statewide organization of biologists and volunteers, spend much of their time each summer creating safe nesting and breeding sites. Their efforts have helped the loon population stabilize after a period of decline.
"It's very discouraging," Vogel said. "We've managed to keep the loon population about level over the years, and then things like this happen."Anyone with information about the shootings can call Fish and Game dispatch at 271-3361 or Operation Game Thief at 1-800-344-4262 or go to www.huntnh.com/OGT. Callers may choose to remain anonymous.
Union Leader staff writer Shawne K. Wickham contributed to this report.
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Safeguarding: How does it all work together?
The Local Safeguarding Children Board has an independent voice representing all partner agencies but links to the Children and Young People's Board, and reports to the Director of The Children Trust Arrangements.
The Local Safeguarding Children Board will continue to be supported by a range of sub groups that have representatives from all partner agencies.
The Sub Groups are:
- The Child Death Review Panel (replacing the Serious Cases Sub Committee) consists of expert members from a range of services to undertake individual reviews and produce recommendations for policies and improved practice.
- The Training Steering group identifies and arranges appropriate training to ensure core safeguarding training is available to all partners and has a task of disseminating lessons learned from Child Death Reviews as widely as possible.
- The Quality Assurance and Audit sub-committee is responsible for monitoring of implementation of recommendations from Child Death Reviews and overall performance in relation to safeguarding priorities and targets as set by the LSCB business plan.
- The Policy and Procedure sub-committee continues to publish new guidance and review relevant policy guidance to all staff that have a responsibility for safeguarding children and young people.
- A core group continues to meet as a specialist preventative group to focus on safeguarding young people who are sexually exploited.
Safeguarding Area Groups
Reporting to Board are three area-based groups: one in the heart of Birmingham, one in the south of the city and one in the north and east. These are important committees reaching out to local communities and other local networks.
Each area group has representatives at management level from the local services. It is responsible for implementing practice, policy and procedure; provide analysis for quality assurance and audit purposes, and allocates resources to safeguard children and young people as gaps in services are identified. The area group engages with local services, both voluntary and statutory, to ensure effective dissemination of training, promote safeguarding and the wellbeing of children and young people.


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WC Dubai and Doha,
In Dubai, 4th World Cup of this season,
Head swimmer George Bovell arrived 2nd on 50m freestyle in time 21"32 and the 3th in 100m medley, 52"38.
Bronze medal also for Konrad Czerniak on 100m butterfly, 50"27.
In Doha, again two bronze medals for Head swimmer.
George Bovell in 100m medley with 51"87, and
Konrad Czerniak in 100m butterfly in time 50"33
Next World Cup, Singapore (SIN) 5-6 November


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Drama, Romance
At the time of the 1994 Rwandan genocide, the Mufti of Rwanda, the most respected Muslim leader in the country, issued a fatwa forbidding Muslims from participating in the killing of the Tutsi. As the country became a slaughterhouse, mosques became places of refuge where Muslims and Christians, Hutus and Tutsis came together to protect each other. KINYARWANDA is based on true accounts from survivors who took refuge at the Grand Mosque of Kigali and the madrassa of Nyanza. It recounts how the Imams opened the doors of the mosques to give refuge to the Tutsi and those Hutu who refused to participate in the killing.
Cast: Cassandra Freeman, Edouard Bamporiki, Mutsari Jean, Zaninka Hadidja, Marc Gwamaka
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Directed by: Alrick Brown
Written by: Alrick Brown, Patricia Janvier
Running time: 1hr 30min
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