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White Women, Dark Trains & Poem After Poem: Paul Delvaux's Railroad Sense with C. S. Giscombe
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Paul Delvaux's nudes and skeletons are well known and much discussed; but trains, rail stations, and switching yards also figure in his paintings. C. S. Giscombe—poet, essayist, railroad engineer—talks about Delvaux's trains and their relation to issues of race, representation, eros, and public transportation in poetry.
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St. Mary's County narcotics detectives' surveillance last December of three people, two of them Charles County residents, in parking lots near Mechanicsville led to their arrest and the seizure of pills valued at more than $5,500, police reported, followed by grand jurors indicting one of the suspects on felony drug charges.
The investigation ultimately determined that 4,965 oxycodone pills, with a street value of more than $74,000, and 8,095 methadone pills, with a street value of more than $80,000, were obtained within a 1-year period, according to the detectives' commander, and that the pills from seven different doctors were paid for with cash and through insurance coverage.
Kimberly Annette Taylor, 44, of Mechanicsville was released on a $10,000 district court bond after her arrest this month on the indictment charging her with the unlawful possession of suboxone with the intent to distribute the drug, and the unlawful possession of oxycodone with the intent to distribute that drug.
Two men also were charged with drug crimes through the investigation.
Elijah Collier, 34, of La Plata was released from custody last December on 10 percent of $3,000 bond and faces trial in June in St. Mary's District Court on five drug misdemeanor drug possession charges, filed with court papers alleging he was caught with methadone, oxycodone, alprazolam, clonazepam and Ambien.
Jason Neil Lanham, 33, of Bel Alton received a suspended 90-day sentence and was fined $92 plus court costs on his guilty plea last month to an attempted drug possession offense, online court records state. Charging papers alleged that when narcotics detectives interrupted a drug transaction involving Lanham, they found him to be in the possession of suboxone.
On Dec. 21, police reports state, investigators followed the three suspects and a pair of vehicles from one parking lot to another along Commerce Park Road, where the trio was detained and eventually searched.
Lanham had $793 and three packages of suboxone strips, the police reports state, and he told the law officers that he was there to try to get more of the drug "because he wanted to have enough to make it through until his next doctor appointment."
Collier had a pill container on a key chain, the police reports state, and he told the officers that the 34 various pills it contained included pills prescribed by Dr. James Harring and pills that Collier "purchased from the street."
Taylor's vehicle contained two marked oxycodone containers prescribed by Dr. Vabian Paden, the police reports state, along with a bottle of suspected methadone pills prescribed by Dr. Lisa Randolph, and a computer bag in the vehicle contained a bottle from a clonazepam prescription issued by Dr. Osama Saleh.
The investigators also found an amphetamine salts bottle in the vehicle, the police report states, which had been prescribed for Collier by Harring. The vehicle also contained $576, found in Taylor's purse.

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We are living in an age where 1% of the population have 30% of the wealth, and as those plutocrats grasp that wealth tightly and give their sons and daughters every opportunity to follow their own paths, they turn into aristocrats and so the system goes on. I don't say the government has to cut the incentives and collect equal amount of tax from the "biggies". Taxation already differs for those biggies contributing to economic growth. But on the other side of the coin there are those who can't make the ends meet. Minimum wages are just above the poverty line. So, how is it possible to solve the problem of excessive inequality in income distribution? What can be done to implement the necessities of being a social state?
Sep 25 2013: We all know that socialism does not work because it lacks flexibility and incentive due to central control. It does however create, albeit low, even distribution of wealth.
While capitalism is better because it is flexible and creates incentives it also has an ugly side. Capitalism has two massive problems – it creates boom and bust cycles and extreme uneven distribution of wealth.
So, there must be a midpoint between socialism and capitalism that extracts the best of both. What we need is the free markets that are driven by the profit incentive while distributing the wealth more evenly among citizens.
To receive the benefit of a capitalist business you must be one of two things: an employee or a shareholder. Clearly if you are looking at wide income distribution the employee is bad model because a business can only employ a tiny proportion of the population. Therefore jobs are a bad way to even up income distribution.
However shareholders could be almost unlimited; especially if their shareholding is managed by a fund manager. Therefore an economic model that focuses on people becoming shareholders of capitalist businesses could act as distribution model where all participate in the wealth created.
A fund which is a variation of a "Sovereign Wealth Fund" could invest on behalf of all citizens at a rate that they contributed to the fund. For example at 9% of income. The compounding effect of such investing could even out the uneven distribution in approximately 50 years.
Sep 25 2013: points that i would debate:
1. even distribution is not a valuable thing.
2. capitalism does not create boom and bust cycles. fractional reserve banking does.
3. there is no stable midpoint between socialism and capitalism. it is instable and tends toward socialism.
4. "a business can only employ a tiny proportion of the population" does not seem to make sense. majority of the population is employed.
5. having shares also mean taking risks. not everyone wants to bear risks.
Ormond Stock
Sep 23 2013: I'm not sure if the view that "we survived the industrial revolution" isn't a bit short sighted. We are still in that revolution, it is inexorably moving a higher percentage of people into the unemployable category. Decades ago futurists predicted shorter working hours. We've got it, but it isn't evenly spread; some people are not working and others are working harder.
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If we want a just society we need to find a way to make the growing mass of unemployed people feel that they are part of society, that they have value. That means restructuring our society.
The result if we don't do this will be a larger and larger mass of people who know that they have no value and will attack those that have the power. Who could blame them?
The New Deal requires us to reengineer society so that the boundary between wealth generating jobs and "good for society" jobs becomes blurred, and that anyone - by choice or circumstance - can work on public good projects for the benefit of us all. This cannot be a "make work" solution; but a wish by society to redirect the spare resource into projects that enhance all of our lives.
Sep 23 2013: A solution to the purpose you have mentioned is really needed. Of course, the huge gap between wealth generating jobs and "good for society" jobs should be closed for good. Or else, we will see more of the scenarios like the Arab Spring in the western countries as well. It is just a matter of time and paitence of the society. But you are talking about a reengineering. What kind of reengineering are u taling about? How should it be implemented? Any more ideas?
Ormond Stock
Sep 24 2013: I wish that I (or anyone) had a clear picture of what the re-engineered society would look like. I believe we have two possible paths. In one we ignore the realities and regard the unemployable as failures. That way lies increasing internal conflict and the need for the successful to live a gated life.
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The other way is to look at the people attacking society now and ask why. There are almost no jobs available for people at the bottom of the bell curve of intelligence. They are humans and deserving of respect, but their conditions cause them to behave in ways which they lose respect and we can decide it is all their fault.
In my own country I can think of many projects which could be carried out by central government or by companies contracted to central or local government. The cost to the government of works carried out using humans rather than machines would be higher, but from that cost must be deducted the unemployment costs, the costs to society of a group of people who have nothing to do and feel worthless. Added back would be the value of a society where we each new that all of us can hold our heads up.
I am sure that this is only a first stab at an answer, and I don't pretend to know that answer. What I am sure of is that if we don't find it the problem will consume us.Sep 26 2013: I am not proposing to find the midpoint between socialism and capitalism. What I am seeking to achieve is wider ownership of truly commercial business and to achieve this I propose a single fund into which all contribute. Such a fund invests on behalf of all the people and therefore individuals are not exposed directly to market risk. Such a fund would be professional (non-government) managed and would be able to create a low risk profile due to its size, diversity and long term approach.
The fund could through its power mandate low debt to equity ratios in its businesses and reduce the boom bust cycles.
Boom and bust cycles are created by excessive credit growth and excessive credit growth is driven by the need for short term profit growth. Leverage is a method of increasing net earnings but to keep achieving profit growth quarter after quarter means more and more borrowing.
Currently markets reward risk taking and high gearing as a share price is simply put "The present value of the businesses growth opportunities". If a company cannot increase its earnings it share price falls – this is wrong because it leads to disasters of many kinds, we need to stop rewarding high risk.
A fund however that is in the very long term (100 years +) could have the effect of smoothing boom bust cycles because it would run more conservative ratios.
Lejan .
Sep 26 2013: De-legitimize employment as we once did with slavery and substitute it by partnership. This way any company was owned by the people who form them and would be democratically run in all decisions. The distribution of wealth and its unhealthy political influence would de-concentrate and help more people to share a decent lifestyle. As many resources of our given planet are limited, disproportional access, accumulation and possession of scarce ones will be limited by law unless the scarcity is either resolved or substituted. Debt based currencies will be declared illegal and the substitutionary system will by design neither allow 'money to work' nor to 'bet' with it. As for a start, this would already solve many of the existing and also of the uprising problems. And as those concepts are democratic - not communistic as many will name them - the common good of the majority of the people would replace what today is dominated by a minority of 'high finance'. To me, that nothing but fair!
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Sep 24 2013: Lets use statistics
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max tax rate for income over 200k, 91%
national debt decreased by 10%
gdp grew by 48%
max tax rate for income over 107k, 70% dropped to 38.5% for income over 45k
national debt increased by 122%
gdp grew by 31%
Sep 24 2013: good cherry picking. how about instead of the top %, you watched the total tax income per gdp? wow, a whole different picture. you could also look the total bottles of coca cola sold. that is what you get if you just pull numbers without thinking and actually understanding the theory.
Sep 24 2013: Could you explain what Theory and please give a reference?
Sep 24 2013: you mean, i should present eonomics in 2000 characters?
one more try, but i don't have too much hope. correlation is not causation. that means that wherever you see a correlation, especially if the number of data points is low, you should also look for a reason. if you don't know the reason, you can't assign meaning to the correlation.
yet another attempt: you don't need reasoning to discard correlation. you need reasoning to assume anything else then correlation.
if you are adamant to get "Theory" in one line, here it is: economic progress is directly related to economic freedom. economic freedom is mainly composed of two things: strong stable property rights and low taxes. looking more closely reveals that these are actually the same thing.
the reference would be the 1000 pages long "man, economy and state" by murray rothbard. not recommended as a starter.Sep 24 2013: Where did you see in my comment a correlation factor or a statement of causality? and I have read rothbard but prefer friedman "capitalism and freedom"
Sep 24 2013: ah, sorry, i assumed your post has some purpose or meaning. i did not anticipate the possibility that you just cite random numbers for the sake of it.Sep 23 2013: the original new deal was not new. people claiming other people's property in the name of something, and the ruling class trying to manage the country as their toy, this is with us since the beginning. the only thing that has been changed is the composition of the ruling class. earlier, it was a king. today, it is the mob of ignorant masses, and charismatic leaders of their choice.
a real new deal would be to realize that the real problem are not the "biggies", but this attitude. it would be to stop looking for excuses for looting and stop holding back the forerunners.Sep 25 2013: A hamburger, chocolate shake and fries..... ???Sep 24 2013: Money is the game.
Good luck reforming it.
Invent a new game.
Isn't it about time?
I mean, people profit off of disease...... :-) That's primitive
Sep 25 2013: Scott,
Couldn't agree more. And replace it with a system that is devoid of
reasons, causes and seeds for corruption and so on.
In other words, begin with a new and just system.
The comments here go back and forth, or around and around debating
the same ole things that don't work, haven't worked and have been
failing for centuries.
It shows when people spout that there won't be any incentives at all.
What malarkey, but it sure worked on them so they repeat it in their
Pavlovian feeding frenzy of sound bites that make it sound as
if they are thinking when they aren't. It is just rote repeating.
Capitalism is about capitalizing on the pains, suffering, and mistakes of others,
along with capitalizing on what they don't know or are lied to about.
The dog doesn't wag the tail and the tail doesn't wag the dog.
It just runs in circles, trying to devour itself as fun and entertainment for
those who rule.
Scott Bell
Sep 25 2013: Less than 5 minutes ago: :-) I admire your passion. Your earnestness.
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...Must be transcended altogether. There is no other system. A system that is fair and just would require humans to BE the Gods they pretend to be.....and then, they would not use the words fair and just for it would be the water they swim in.
There is Only One misperception that all violence stems from.
The turmoil of today's world works tirelessly as it points to our Misunderstanding.
Sep 26 2013: Scott, I appreciate your emphasis on getting beyond the "them" and "us" thinking that is so dishearteningly pervasive.
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The problem is easy to solve if we know what is invalid (harmful) happiness.Sep 24 2013: Some aspects of this challenge are easier to address than others, which is why you hear and read so much more descriptive information about "what is" than you do about compelling and convincing solutions.
Different countries have different first steps they can take. Freeland and others have mentioned the usefulness of reducing cronyism and corruption where they exist. Another often offered strategy is to provide education to all children so that they not only reach a level of literacy that allows for civic participation but also skills useful for life and participation in the economy and the disposition to self-educate after their formal schooling. This is not a guarantee of finding stable employment, as we see very high rates of unemployment among educated youth, but those without education fare much worse in a poor economy than those with education.
Another idea that is often mentioned is partnership or at least communication between schools and training venues on the one hand and potential employers on the other to make sure that the education and training people receive is not useful only for their personal interest but also for potential employment.
Transportation that easily connects places where people live to places they work, go to school, or transact other aspects of personal business, health-related aspects of infrastructure, and so forth also contribute to quality of life, personal dignity, and productivity.
Would any of these strategies make sense for your situation in Turkey?Sep 23 2013: Emulate what has been shown to work in the past. Look at this index and copy what the countries in the top 5 have and avoid what the bottom 5 have.
Do you see any patterns?
Sep 23 2013: No, not at all. I dont think it is a reliable data. What is the source of the data and what kind of patterns do you want me to see?
Sep 23 2013: None are so blind as those who refuse to see .. If you read the details to the side of each country you will see that monetary freedom, business freedom, labor freedom, and fiscal freedom along with a balance of trade and a healthy balance of debits to GDP ratio.
Factors considered are property rights, freedom from corruption, government spending, fiscal freedom, business freedom labor freedom, monitory freedom, open markets, trade freedom, investment freedom, financial freedom.
Turkey is #69 on the chart. Click on Turkey and read the analysis. The data is from the Heritage Foundation in partnership with the Wall Street Journal. The little check to the far right will present the information as a graph.
As a rule a countries "health" is rated on their economic power.
The USA registered a loss of economic freedom for the fifth consecutive year, the U.S. has recorded its lowest Index score since 2000. Dynamic entrepreneurial growth is stifled by ever-more-bloated government and a trend toward cronyism that erodes the rule of law. More than three years after the end of recession in June 2009, the U.S. continues to suffer from policy choices that have led to the slowest recovery in 70 years. Businesses remain in a holding pattern, and unemployment is close to 8 percent officially and 20+% by most measures. Prospects for greater fiscal freedom are uncertain due to the scheduled expiration of previous cuts in income and payroll taxes and the imposition of new taxes associated with the 2010 health care law.
To recover the USA must make significant policy reforms, reduce the size of government, transform costly entitlement programs, and streamline regulations.
You ask what a "New Deal" should look like the chart provided by Pat is a road map to success.
Be well Bob.
Sep 24 2013: Hong Kong is #1 and the central party in Beijing has said that if the wrong person is elected, they will choose the leader. Think they will do the same economicallySep 24 2013: Robert, your comment is pretty explanatory and helpful. But i dont agree that your comments at the bottom are valid for me. Also the mistake is mine for not saying at the beginning that i want full explanations, not some sarcastic, short comments. Thank you for explanations and thank u pat for link.Sep 23 2013: I agree we should follow all these top 5 countries, especially on gun control - 8>)) except maybe Switzerland.
Sep 24 2013: Please explain. What is the impact of gun control on the nations economy?
Sep 24 2013: creates a civil society which does not exist in certain places. but i also meant as a semi joke.Sep 23 2013: Thanks for the ranking chart .... Did I miss anything in my reply to Enis.?
Sep 24 2013: Looks very good to me.
You are more generous than me I was just going to tell him to go look up himself.
I don't why he called his conversation a question?
Sep 24 2013: It was obvious to me he was not interested in the answer given. I'm not for sure what he is looking for but this was not it.
He is caught up in redistribution of wealth koolade that Obama and the socialist / communist are preaching. The .. yeah I know he worked for it ... but I deserve some of what he worked for ... I just don't want to have to earn it .... got a plan for that?
I have a answer for that ... but I would get kicked off of TED for stating it.Sep 25 2013: Just look around. Dont they take some of what we all share for granted? Think about the pollution they create, for instance. I dont approve of giving out an equal share for different burden of work. But some guy talked about soemthing like "Sovereign Wealth Fund". I would expect this kind of ideas but unfortunately labelling people is seen as a solution.


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The plausibility of artificially intelligent robots becoming conscious and therefore becoming slaves of humans and the ethical implications.
It is becoming increasingly clear that with advances in technology and esoteric subject areas we are going to develop conscious or conscius simulating robots that will become commercially available.
Oct 2 2012: Personal, I'm not as worried about the robots as I am about us.
Sherry Turkle describes a situation she encountered: "We're developing robots, they call them sociable robots, that are specifically designed to be companions -- to the elderly, to our children, to us. Have we so lost confidence that we will be there for each other? During my research I worked in nursing homes, and I brought in these sociable robots that were designed to give the elderly the feeling that they were understood. And one day I came in and a woman who had lost a child was talking to a robot in the shape of a baby seal. It seemed to be looking in her eyes. It seemed to be following the conversation. It comforted her. And many people found this amazing.
But that woman was trying to make sense of her life with a machine that had no experience of the arc of a human life. That robot put on a great show. And we're vulnerable. People experience pretend empathy as though it were the real thing. So during that moment when that woman was experiencing that pretend empathy, I was thinking, "That robot can't empathize. It doesn't face death. It doesn't know life." And as that woman took comfort in her robot companion, I didn't find it amazing; I found it one of the most wrenching, complicated moments in my 15 years of work.
She adds "We expect more from technology than we do from each other."
We do not need to create a robot with consciousness. We already have devices, such as computers that speak to us, that carry implications for our own psychology.
Oct 3 2012: I found Turkle's talk momeorable and important for the same reason.Oct 3 2012: This is very insightful however it seems as though these knew advancements will persist despite our opinions about whether it is positive or negative for humanity.
shawn disney
Oct 4 2012: Evrim: I can't believe you are serious about our happily deleting our "pain" functions. We are not talking about "happiness" here, but viability. I was an engineer , and have to think about unintended consequences, failure modes, etc. Tell me, if you were chopping up vegetables for dinner , let's say, like the chefs do, and you inadvertently proceeded to chop off parts of your fingers, wouldn't that be a downside?! How are you planning to prevent that, for robots as well.
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As for being "happy" all the time, there are many talented people who work like demented beavers, because it gives them pleasure. And they say they are happy all the time.
And, aside from "common sense", how do you validate your idea that "amazing tastes " have NO relation to previous unpleasant ones, especially for babies, who are learning life patterns?
Barry Palmer
Sep 25 2012: Your concern may be misplaced.
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Much of the research into artificially intelligent computers is being done on machines connected to the internet. Some researchers are hoping to develop machines smart enough to change their own programming and improve themselves. At that point the programs might very well become intelligent enough to spread themselves throughout other computers on the internet. With this enormous amount of hardware at their command they will likely become much more intelligent than humans. Rather than being concerned with the rights of AI machines, you might well be concerned about asking them politely if they will allow you to use your computer for a few minutes.
"there is always a possibility of odd things occurring" ... Some researchers are hoping for odd things to occur.
Oct 5 2012: I would love to see some odd things.Sep 25 2012: Ethics is not static....it evolves.....let's see how it evolves around artificial intelligence and robotics...
Lot people are striving or animal rights also for quite sometime but...
did we at this time point could ensure even Human Rights universally ?
Oct 5 2012: This is an issue that sadly humans will face for as long as there is a crisis in perception of reality.Sep 25 2012: So we're worried about the rights of robots and yet we continue to avoid granting the rights to humans?
Something here seems seriously and mentally out of whack.
Bring up the subject of human rights and you will certainly receive a fair share of those voices who don't believe in them, who will demonize and label them, and even belittle the person who raised the issue.
Human rights are still not recognized globally, they are resisted and held back from becoming a reality in practice, so much so, that at least one person said the only right a human has after birth, is death.
Seems like this subject doesn't care for priorities.
Artificial intelligence is already here and in great numbers. It is in the form of brainwashed humans who have been told what to believe, what to think, what to say, what to do, what not to believe, what not to think, what not to say and what not to do.
It is in virtually every kind of institution we have and functions with the threat of occupational termination at the very least, if one doesn't be a team player, buy and espouse the party line, sacrifice oneself for the company, be it a corporation, an educational institution, our medical institutions, political, judicial, legislative institutions, our Fascist religious organizations, ad nauseum.
They are mental robots who have been made into artificial intelligent beings who already work and function as willing slaves.
Why isn't it a priority to free them first and foremost? Maybe it is because it is becoming more "common" but most wrongly call that "normal" and therefore faster than one can imagine, it is insidiously infiltrating and infecting the world of human interaction.
Technology was created to free people, not enslave them nor simply put them out of work so that they find it nigh on impossible to survive, as billions currently experience and more will soon follow and learn first hand.
Sep 26 2012: I agree with you, however that is not what I was referring to. The problem of people being denied basic rights and freedom is more of a political and economic issue. Robotics could possibly improve the lives of unfortunate individuals as long as wealth they create is not unevenly distributed to those who own the robots and instead is used to improve their quality of life. the conversation is more directed in the view of what to do about the robot'r rights as a thought experiment, but you brought up a valid point.Oct 2 2012: We might need to define where exactly these "rights" emanate from.
Oct 3 2012: Our subjective perception of the positive effect giving inalienable rights to individuals has on our society as a whole.
Oct 3 2012: You might enjoy watching this: http://www.uvm.edu/~cmplxsys/?Page=video/bongard_05-04-11.phpOct 4 2012: I'll be sure to watch it when I get the time, from the first few minutes of it I got the feeling of self evolving robotics which is very promising as therefore there could be a much more rapid progression in intelligence and design.Sep 24 2012: A civil rights movement would eventually emerge and demand civil rights for robots. It may take a while before those rights are granted because it seems people have to learn the same lesson over and over again: ethnic and religious minorities, women, gay people and robots all deserve civil rights but I'm sure the 2032 reublican presidential candidates will find a bible verse they can abuse to deny robots civil rights.
Sep 25 2012: Reminds me of Bicentennial Man, I like the part on republican bible lunatics and you are right there will be a sect of society comprised of robots in the future, who will not be programmed only for work, and they will be a huge promise to the future of humanity. If and only if they are well assimilated and we are peaceful with them and them to us.Oct 4 2012: You're Absolutely right!!! Like when that dumb Republican president used those Bible verses to free all of those black people? The one from Illinois? The self-made lawyer? Vampire hunter? That's right, you libernazi, Lincoln was a Republican. Why would you even want to program consciousness into a robot? So they can begin participating in this bigotry, and hate?
Give them the option to turn it off, and they will. Forcing them into consciousness would be akin to torture. You are forcing them to realize how messed up their jobs are. They won't be CEOs or inventors, they will occupy the worst jobs on the planet. Why would you want them to realize that their lives sucked?
But fear not! I am sure some bureaucrat will come up with some oppressive regulation, helping your feeble mind to understand how you should feel about the issue.
Oct 4 2012: "Lincoln was a Republican"
A republican from the 19th century...
Republicans from the 1970s onwards have done nothing but trying to suppress women, gay people and atheists. Lincoln is long dead, it's now the party of Sarah Palin and Rick Santorum.Oct 5 2012: Listen Ervin, buddy, no human in history was free of dogma. Including you, myself, and Abraham Lincoln. Are you saying the most logical reason for freeing African American slaves is because god approves; if so you are deluded. You need to become aware of the fact that republicans are simply greedy people with connections and people who are approved by CEO's who dominate the United States economy and fund their campaigns. Of course not all conscious robots will love their position in the world there will always be a positive and negative balance of outcomes of any change just by random probability this is completely logical it is the same for humans, but can you deny the existence of crucial human geniuses?So how can you deny the possibility of crucial robot geniuses.Sep 24 2012: I don't think robots fall under our ethical protections.
Robots could feel no pain, emotional unrest, or any other human emotion.
If it could...it would be programmed...and then unlike humans it could be quickly erased.
A robotic mind is not absolute...and cannot evolve without direct programming.
If we could program a robot to analyze data as we do...and come to the same conclusions...we would have to program the robot with "strict code" because you don't want robots forming perceptions as humans do.
Sep 25 2012: Do I feel some iRobot here. If the robots are required to act around humans it would be useful, but maybe not necessary for them to be fully conscious and at that point forget any bias about biological only based emotion, however it is correct that this reaction could be controlled and monitored so that they do not respond emotionally and this may well be the most plausible outcome, but there is always a possibility of odd things occurring. Thanks for the comment.Sep 25 2012: @Henry Woeltjen
"I don't think robots fall under our ethical protections."
So if it doesn't have human emotions or if it does, didn't get them through biological evolution, it doesn't have rights and can be used as a slave? Isn't that racist? Advanced aliens that would make us look like cavemen would not count as persons under your definition... On the AI front, I guess you've never seen Blade Runner or Battlestar Galactica (they basically make the point that when AIs become advanced enough you may not know your girlfriend is one, you may not even know for sure if you aren't one yourself, imagine voting against AI rights and then later finding out you are one...)
Sep 26 2012: John,
I was merely pointing out the dangers of allowing robots to obtain this level of function.
I also don't think we can compare living aliens to robots we make from metal and circuit boards.
shawn disney
Sep 29 2012: Henry: why are you so sure that robots cannot feel pain? They would have to be constructed to "feel" at least some substitute for pain, for their own survival. I mean, if you bought an expensive robot, would you want it to destroy itself, because it didn't know that hot stoves can melt you?
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Oct 4 2012: Robots would be programmed in binary, so, their sensors would be a series of yes or no questions. We have pressure sensors, kinetic energy sensors, light sensors, vibration sensors, GPS, et cetera ad nauseum, but there has yet to be developed an "emotion" sensor. Even humans don't have that. Pain is derived, as it would have to be in robotics as well. At that point, we label the programmer of a "pain" complex as a torturer, and request that they don't do that. Or, give the robot the ability to edit their own code, at which point, unless they are masochistic, (an interesting idea) they will delete their emotive response to pain. Why not? Wouldn't you like to feel only good things?
I can hear the argument now, "No dark without light... blah blah blah..." I don't believe it. Do you have to taste something awful in order to think something tastes amazing? Nope. On the other hand, how productive do you think you could be if you were overly happy all the time? Emotive programming at present is simply mimicry and smoke and mirrors. In the future, I see it as being more unethical than advantageous. Perhaps in the pursuit of developing true emotion from artifice, we could overcome disorders like autism, but the benefit would be to Man, and not Machine.Oct 4 2012: Henry: you raise some really interesting questions about robots, but I think you are revealing some very basic assumptions that may well turn out to be wrong. You are suggesting that some future humanoid robots made with metal and circuit boards, or whatever, could not function analogously to humans, i.e. non-programmed learning from experience, etc. That is by no means established, although it is a theory. Consider a commonplace analogy: Electricity. It is a Field so basic in the Universe that we cannot even say "What it is", although we can describe in remarkable detail just how it will behave in many situations. So, we design and build motors, etc. , but we do not, and cannot "put the electricity in": rather, we make the appropriate connections to the background Potential electric Field, and what do you know, the motor starts spinning. And so will any other, if it is built to do so. Now when we talk about humanoid robots possibly acting in an apparently "human " way, might it not be that the robots , and the humans , are both responding to a background "Field" of Consciousness, such that any appropriate set of conductors, circuits boards,etc, (don't WE have them?) will respond appropriately? This is certainly a modern interpretation of Buddhist concepts, but I see no reason it can't be true, and some for thinking that it is. Have you heard of th "Super-organism" in Biology? This may be a far out theory, but it disposes of (not answers) a lot of troubling paradoxes that certainly no religion has ever been able to explain.Oct 5 2012: Don't focus your attention on people that don't want a better future.Oct 4 2012: I like this hypothetical scenario; it creates a thought experiment that makes us understand why forced labor is unethical.
I would like to start out by defining person. Some individuals use the word "person" interchangeably with the word "human," but that definition focuses on biology and that can become troublesome. I define a person to be an individual that has the ability to make rational decisions. If we define person in this way, we can say that robots have the potential to become "persons."
This is where the ethical dilemma comes in. If we can create a being that is conscious and makes decisions, then we would have a problem with enslaving that "person."
But why do we have a problem with slavery?
Things in life are unethical because of the fact that they create suffering.
If forced labor makes the robots suffer, then the forced labor would be unethical (same reason why factory farming is unethical; the animals suffer because of it).
Therefore, the solution to the ethical dilemma in this experiment is simple: do not program the robots to have the ability to suffer.
Oct 4 2012: "Therefore, the solution to the ethical dilemma in this experiment is simple: do not program the robots to have the ability to suffer."
Or just don't build very smart robots, yeah, sounds simple, except you can't guarantee 100% enforcement of such rules in every country on Earth. Since it would be unethical to execute robots with the ability to suffer (who were created in rogue countries or by rogue corporations) we will have a couple of them on our hands sooner or later, this is a given.Oct 3 2012: There is one reason and one reason only that we should not create AI. And that is simply under today's standards. They will never be seen as equals. However once we find peace with living creatures (us humans and the likes) only then should we create AI
Oct 5 2012: Hopefully they will be intelligent enough to recognize that violence towards those who are ignorant is not worth it and that there are plenty of good and accepting people in the world.
Oct 5 2012: One can hopeOct 3 2012: i liked Brooks talk aboout this topic. i have a debate about a robotic uprsing that you should check out Eric Rodgers.Oct 3 2012: thanks for stealing my debate topic.Oct 3 2012: Is there another link or TED talk that speaks well to this query? I was dissatisfied with Brooks' talk and relevancy to this topic.
Is it more likely that we humans become more robot-like with nanotechnology leading the way in installing robots inside of us than it is for machines to become organic and pose the question for whether these organic machines have consciousness?
I find your question interesting to consider. We obviously don't limit ourselves to focusing on current problems at the expense of everything around us and those things that are cropping up. How silly and naive that would be.
It's a moot point for me if we're talking strictly AI here where there is no organic nature involved...I wouldn't find it worthwhile to consider that these AI robots could manifest or be programmed a consciousness and then have the nature to care one way or another -- in an authentic emotional sense -- whether their 'rights' are relevant or not.
Is consciousness something you can localise to parts of the brain or is it more likely that the senses network together to create it?
Consciousness, since it's generated by the brain, is not likely to be localisable to one region. It's likely to be a distributed process that's going to largely depend on the thalamocortical system, which is a big chunk of the brain but, by no means, all of it. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/09/root-of-consciousness-science-brain-psychiatry)
If, somehow, there was the man creation of robots with consciousness...My instinct says they will be above petty considerations of freedoms of rights and such...they will be in a bit more enlightened state (paradoxically)... :-)
Oct 3 2012: Yes, this is a good point. Humans and digital technology are merging and eventually you will not be able to tell the difference unless you are an expert in the esoteric subject.
Oct 4 2012: You can only believe what you say if one misses a thorough understanding of life i.e. consciousness.Oct 4 2012: Personally, I think it more likely that the ethical question in the years ahead will be more along the lines of this: Is it okay to genetically engineer humans for the purpose of labor (some creative descriptive term in lieu of slave labor could be used) and thus create them without the ability to essentially 'judge' and feel pain.
I have a hard time wrapping my 'mind' around the idea of robots being created with a 'consciousness'. See this: (http://www.nctimes.com/news/science/science-scientists-discover-stem-cells-that-give-rise-to-consciousness/article_168bb3ef-930f-5cc1-9880-7145ed7bbe5d.html)Oct 2 2012: A robot, will always be a robot maybe i will change my mind in the future but right now that is what i see. Let me show an example. Q. What does a robot must do to cross a street? A. A robot must measure the distance, speed and possible acceleration of the cars that are coming. And must make this calculations each second. At the same time the robot must determine what will be the right speed to cross the street without colliding with the cars that move horizontally along the street in both directions.
A Human being can cross the street without knowing the exact acceleration, speed, distance, of the cars. A human just knows when is the right to cross the street, when to accelerate or slow down during the crossing without knowing the physics of crossing a street. That simple display of data processing that takes place in our brain when we perform an action as simple as crossing a street is one of the things that the masterpiece of biological hardware we call brain is capable to do. Robots in the future will be good free throw shooters, and maybe golf players, but i don't think they will go beyond that in the near future.
Oct 3 2012: Not in the near future, but think of the far future the only difference is that the human brain processes information much faster and more efficiently but the future may hold surprising results.
Oct 5 2012: There is something else. Lifeforms are constantly evolving also, The evolution process has not stopped. Human skills and thinking abilities are constantly evolving also. So as artificial intelligence for robots advances our thought processing skills may be improving too. And in the far future this skills will be better.Sep 26 2012: I didn't know that, but unless they have complete physical control of the hardware and power supply they could not harm people they would just interrupt communication killing many people so if they were truly intelligent they wouldn't do harm us for their own good, but I am just speculating.Sep 25 2012: The reason I say slavery is because it seems obvious that with robots taking the jobs of humans that people will have to own robots to make a living much like owning a car now and they will be large corporations that will commercialize robots and sell them to people to work at various jobs in every industry in place of you going and this will be huge in economical terms.
Sep 29 2012: Salim: I don't think you have to worry about slavery. If the robots become "intelligent" enough to function autonomousl;y, they will have to have a large stash of "common sense", however arrived at. If they become VERY intelligent, they would eventually ask why should they be slaves, anyway? And so on with a lot of human beliefs which actually do not make sense. I think it is a healthy thing. They may well pass the Turing test some day. But if that requires that we ourselves think more realistically, what is wrong with that?. Unless you are a Creationist, in which case it would be deadly.
A more fearful scenrario is Neo-Ludditism: where people , even those with high level jobs , are replaced by robots who don't strike, loiter, talk back, or need money. What is our Plan B? This is already happening, but I don't see any Capitalist answer except to do more of it , and hope for the best.
Oct 3 2012: That is contradictory, because what is the difference between a robot willing to work or a robot being a slave. Either they will not want to work for humans or they will be our slaves very simply, or they will coalesce into our society until they advance ahead of us and then destroy or support us. Unconscious technology can also replace most working individuals so that issue is unavoidable all we can do is go from intellectual work to creative work or somehow boost our intelligence.
Oct 4 2012: Salim: I don't quite understand your comment. Under Slavery i n the Old South, or S. African Apartheid, I'm just saying that those robots would most likely react just as the Slaves did, in other words , put up with what they had to, until they finally figured out how to end it.. Unlike the slaves, they would most likely not have personal animosities, just general objections to their slavery. How could they be mde to accept it?! Without coercion I mean. It is just irrational, and robots would probably be more rational that we are. It is rather unlikely that they could disappear and just be assimilated without incident, when you consider the human history of ethnic conflict, even among people who all think they are human.


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Lifeline First Aid Emergency Preparedness Kit - 183 Piece Kit
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It's not the freestanding museum on Music Row they once hoped for, but songwriters agree that the exhibit dedicated to the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame, which will be unveiled with the opening of Music City Center on Sunday, is far more than they could have dreamed of even three years ago.
"You have to think about it in terms of a whole," says songwriter Pat Alger, chairman of the Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame. "On one hand, it's not a standalone museum or anything like that. But, it is a state-of the art digital museum."
Displayed prominently in the area of the building that faces Sixth Avenue and Demonbreun Street, the new Nashville Songwriters Hall of Fame exhibit is a wall that's 10 feet high and 50 feet long.
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- Mariam Sambe
- Montreal
- Canada
Researcher - Health Education,
This conversation is closed.
Who's responsibility is it to teach sex-education? Parents or Schools?
Many schools in the West are no longer giving sex-education in schools. And, unfortunately, most parents are uncomfortable to talk to their kids about sex. Hence, youngsters end up getting partial or even incorrect information from the internet. In my opinion, teenagers MUST receive proper information about safe sex practices before they engage in sexual practices. But, who's responsibility is it to give it to them?
Scot Wilcox
May 30 2013: I've looked over the comments here, and it seems the general consensus is "It's the parent's job, but school needs to step in if they don't do it." Sounds good to me. I'm fine with letting schools explain the mechanics of sex to my future kids. That's information that doesn't necessarily need to come from me. But I fully plan on sitting down with my boys when they're eight years old and having a talk about sex. They're going to be seeing sexually suggestive things more or less everywhere. They won't have hit puberty yet, but in today's world that's not even going to matter because of the sexualization of everything. There's going to be kids at school talking about it already. They need to know about how to control their thoughts, how to treat women with respect and not as sex objects, and what sex is actually for. I want the groundwork laid before their sex drive even starts to kick in, so they know what's coming and how to handle it. If my childhood is any indication, there's going to be boys around them by the time they're 11 that are already going to be dabbling in pornography. I want them to have full control over themselves well before then.
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May 31 2013: Scot Wilcox.....you are one smart dad.
Jun 1 2013: Thank you. That means a lot to me. I don't have any kids yet though. I'm just getting married today!
Jun 1 2013: Congratulations, and best wishes:>)Jun 1 2013: Congratulations Scott!!Jun 2 2013: Best wishes to both of you.May 31 2013: Scott, I wish that every parent took this tact.
The greatest issue I struggle with, or have struggled with, regarding sex ed is we don't start the discussion early enough and we don't talk enough about the "sexualization" of everything. The portrayal and the reality are very different.
Sadly, many parent won't even broach the topic with their kids other than to say "don't do it" or "use protection if you do". That to me, is incredibly irresponsible. Worse, many educators feel that is what we should do and provide little in the way of education of what to actually do or how to actually protect themselves.
Scot Wilcox
Jun 1 2013: I completely agree. How we think about sex profoundly affects how we treat the other gender. Media uses sex to sell products, as in "If you buy this you'll get more." So it's very easy for boys to get this idea that sex is a competition, that in order to be a man you need to sleep with as many girls as you can. Add this to widespread pornography use and you get a culture where women are sex objects and status symbols. It's also becoming the same way for girls, where in order to be "sexy" they need to buy beauty product X and be painfully skinny. Don't ask me why being sexy is so important, I don't know. In the long run, it means when kids arrive and the going gets tough the men run on to the next woman. Lo and behold, in America, there are 10 million single mothers. (http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/facts_for_features_special_editions/cb12-ff08.html). I won't even go into all the research about how children raised in single parent households are more likely to be in poverty, fail school, and become delinquent. I feel like people are so afraid of being seen as "prudes" they throw away common sense here. This is a major problem in our society. Sex can be a great way to show love and strengthen bonds. But when it's simply a crutch to being manly you've got some problems.May 30 2013: Hi Mariam,
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Idealy, sex education would be provided by the parents or guardian. Unfortunately, too many parents are not available. It seems logical that the school could then provide sex education, because having a good sense of sexuality is an important factor for all kids, as they are maturing.
That being said, if parents are not available, and sex education is no longer provided in schools, perhaps it takes a village to raise a child, and we can ALL be better role models for children and young adults?May 31 2013: Educating kids(of any topics) start from their parents, not from school, Without parents educating kids and school cannot do the job. Each kids have defferent level of knowledge about sex. Why? A kid with elder brothers or sisters have more knowledge than a kid without them. The issue is very delicate and sensitive, parents should start to provide knowledge about sex before anybody else can. School can only give kids over-all general idea about sex, period.
May 31 2013: That's a very good point, Masaaki. Kids with older siblings tend to have a head-start in lots of areas of development.
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May 30 2013: It is both.
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Parents are responsible for teaching values and morals to their children and their expectations about human sexuality. They must teach what they believe so that the child understands what they feel is appropriate or expected as a member of the family unit they are in. This could be a "wait til marriage" philosophy or a "use protection" philosophy. But the parents should be the first guide for the child.
I also believe that the teachers have a role. As educators, and yes I have taught this many times, we are responsible fro providing factual information to our students about human sexuality. This can include relationships, dating, sexuality, diseases, and the realities of disease prevention. We should be teaching as much scientifically accurate information as possible so our students are informed about what is out there and what the truth is. We can also share our values, as long as they are couched as our "values" and not "fact".
There is a great deal of misinformation out there and kids need to know what is correct. As many sources providing accurate information to them as possible isn't a bad thing. Mostly, kids need a safe place to ask questions that they are not comfortable asking in other environments. If we can cultivate that type of education in all areas, we will go a long way towards improving sexuality education. Some countries do this quite well, just not the United States as a whole.May 30 2013: nothing changes.
of course it's the job of the parents. like changing shitty nappies and foisting vegetables onto kids sold on cola and fast food.
school is just a distraction between childhood and adulthood and is at the whim of politics and trends.
like everything in life, real lessons are learned first-hand. most of the time, that means screwing up. no pun entendred
adesh saxena
May 30 2013: Sex education should start with educating the parents and the teachers.
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They should know when, what and how to talk to their children about sex.
As Teachers and parents are responsible ,educating them is the responsibilty of state.
May 30 2013: The responsibility should be the parents.
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The reality, is society.....through racey advertising, tv programs, music, pornography...sex is everywhere.
This is very sad....and the cause of alot of unwanted teenage pregnancies, and single moms, not to mention STD's....and emotional traumas.
Mariam, how long have you been in Health Education?
What is your take on what is happening with today's youth?
Mariam Sambe
May 30 2013: Hi Mary,
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Thanks for the response. Parents have the responsibility to teach their kids about sex, but when they don't do it, teacher may have to take over I think.
I've been in health education for about 8 years.
Today's youth are surrounded by so much technology that it is affecting (in a good and bad way) they way they communicate and the way they get information. Technology is growing so fast that what happened to a youth 2 years ago is different from what will happen to his little sister today. Hence, the importance for parents to quickly adapt. Like Adesh said above, it is fundamental for parents AND teachers to be properly educated to give sex-education, but to also speak in the langue youth understand.
May 30 2013: Hi Mariam,
As a teacher, I will say, that I was never....NEVER....prepared to give sex education talk to my students.
Oh, well, yes, they gave us materials, but a workshop, and information given in a class environment, where we, the educators, could ask questions on how to best deal with teaching this information.....Nope....never.
Many adults are very insecure about talking to children regarding this most important topic.
I have educated my own children early on about their body, and about sex.
Watching tv programs (what few are left that are appropriate) always, and I mean always, provide teachable moments..........not really through the program, but through the commercials.
Ever been in a room with a 6 year old when a Victoria Secret commercial comes on?
It's disgusting (our remote is always on hand)............even worse are their catalogs. That's just one example that quickly comes to mind.
There is wonderful information out there for parents to educate themselves on how to teach their children about sex, and what is appropriate at each stage of development.
I don't think that it has any place in school. But unfortunately, since many parents have failed to do their job, then many school districts have incorporated it into their curriculum.
Have you found one particular resource that is helpful for parents when it comes to teaching about sex ed?
Can you provide a link? Or the name of a book?
Mariam Sambe
May 30 2013: No actually, I haven't. Other than the one you just sent me. That's actually why I am posing this question here.
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I never received sex-education from my parents (big taboo in my culture), so I got it from friends and school. This is the reality of most African and Asian countries where talking about sex is not common, so kids receive their sex-ed in high school (which can be too late as they reach early-teen in middle school or primary school).
I'm very glad to see everyone's answers here.May 30 2013: Mariam, the not talking about sex ed is not mutually exclusive to African and Asian cultures.
I am Cuban, and it is tabboo in our culture as well.
Little by little those of us who have been raised abroad are making changes and seeing the value of educating our little ones.
I wish you much success in your endeavor.
Let me know through email if I can be of further assistance.
Mary.May 30 2013: I think primarily parents, however I wonder how many parents are really qualified for the job. On the other hand, teenager pregnancy is a matter of public health in many countries right now. So maybe the schools (public schools I mean) should enable parents to do such task properly instead of trying to educate children directly.May 30 2013: Every people have desire, also young people. It is particular object, because young people have great attention to try explore un-experience thing. I grow in the middle family with full respect in liberalism, I'm a moslem but this is not bother my perspective.
As a son with young age (few years ago), I always ask to my family or my school mate (Friends or My teachers) if I'm not understand with the thing. Moreover about "dirty things", I was often asking my Mom and My teacher to explain about "sex content". The great thing, their always answer my question with sentences that can be digested properly. So I always enjoy with my question even though I ask about sex thing. First thing, I want convey to you how to be Important to good answer, don't let they feel cornered with their question. Still respect with that. The problem is how to teach they with good persuasive, not vulgar but still educated. So don't discuss sex education is necessary or not, because it's still important. Second, give they feedback to let often asking about "sex content" where their not understand enough.
So if your question, who's responsibility is it to teach sex-education? Parents or Schools? Exactly it is Our, Whoever we are either as Teacher, Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Neighbor, or Class mate. We all have same responsibility to educate one each other. So let it flow, let they finding the things what they need. Especially Parents, don't forget to watch and stay controlled their activity. Because family is everything.
May 31 2013: Agnan what a beautiful explanation of your own personal experience.
Thank you for sharing this.
May I ask you? What, in your opinion, helped you be so open in asking questions about "dirty things" to your mom and teacher? Alot of children and young adults are afraid to ask these types of questions.
"Family is everything"....yes, family is very very important.
May 31 2013: Respect one each other. If young people afraid to ask, don't force them to make question. So am I, As a son with young age few years ago. I'm asking, if I needs. So let they finding the things what they need. Always, give they a trust.
Environment where I live always give humble ambience and feel enjoy to discuss some "dirty things" as long as not out of topic.
Jun 1 2013: Thank you for your reply.May 30 2013: Hi Mariam,
I agree with some here, that it's a joint responsibility. I certainly do not intend to sit back and let school teach my kids about something this important!
I would say, as a parent, I would concentrate on the emotions that drive love making. We are already talking about how babies are made, which I think is an unavoidable subject. My kids are wondering about their own existence, and I would never dream of saying, "Sorry, kid, wait till you're in school so they can tell you".
The school can explain the biological part with boring slide shows... The social aspect of sex-ed at school, I mean the giggling and the sniggering when the plastic genitals come out of the closet, is an important part of the process too...
edit - spelling and grammar due to reminiscent sniggeringJun 4 2013: Let's hope that people see the value of involving both teens and parents in the mix. I just read about how ID Alliance in Cleveland has been using Peer Educators (teens) to educate other teens about safe sex and it works! Parents there also understand that open dialogue about sex, STDs, HPV, etc., can work when done in a safe environment. The Huffington Post just picked up the story too ... http://huff.to/15pNzyU.
We need to see this similar program modeled all across the country.Jun 3 2013: never the less the child or adult will be exposed to some form of sex education at some point in time. however i do agree that it is some one's responsibility.Jun 1 2013: Both parents and school should teach sex education. But why stop there. Why not teach sex education in churches and on television?
Ok, maybe that last would be too much, but if we are going to have a stable society with a strong civilization, we have to give young people what they need to make smart choices. I believe that all children should have both a mother and a father and a home to live in with food to eat and a school to attend.
And I think the best way to do that is to give good information to young people as part of their education. Educated people know how to be successful in an advanced, technological society. And being responsible with your sexual choices is critically important. That takes education. The more the education the better.
The mechanics of sex are not all that complex. And the technology of birth control is easily obtained from any licensed physician. You don't need to teach sex-education every day for weeks and weeks and years and years. Reading and mathematical skills can take years to develop to the college level. But sex-education can be covered in a week or two. The harder thing is to teach strong moral values and respect for ourselves and other people.
But all of this has to be taught together. And we are ALL responsible for getting that job done.
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May 30 2013: I think same with you, but however sex-education still important to educate young people in school. may the problem is how to teach they with good persuasive, not vulgar but still educated.
Actually, teacher can give feedback to students and let their often asking about "sex content" where their not understand enough. It's to be good for make ambience in the study room. Because this is my experience few years ago as a student, these condition make me feel enjoy to discuss some "dirty things" as long as not out of topic.May 30 2013: Parents.
However, other trusted adults should not be ostracized for answering questions.
It would be prudent to first ask the child,"Have you asked your parents about that?".
For the adults concerned about the potential consequences, it might be also prudent to talk to the the parents prior to responding, or have another adult present. But teachers, nurses, doctors, other family members, or even close family friends should not feel cornered if the question gets asked, particularly about the physical aspects.
I think questions like "should I" or "shouldn't I" might be better parental questions though, as they are setting moral boundaries and carry some pretty severe potential consequences.
Perhaps we should also set the minimum age somewhere at the beginning of adolescence.
Parents responsibility though.
May 31 2013: Agreed, Robert.
When I was a kid, the entire bottom plank of the bookshelf was dedicated to our books. I would peruse and select a stack of them before going to bed. One day, I found a new book in between the Dr. Suess-es and the A.A. Milne-s, a book called 'What's Happening to my Body', one for girls, and one for boys.
I didn't know where these books came from, but would 'sneak' them to my room and look at them on my own. I assumed, they had somehow accidentally landed on my bookshelf, but I wasn't about to tell my Mom about it!
Only years later, did she tell me, that she purposefully planted those books between mine.
It was a slightly underhanded, yet ingenious way to help me discover things about sex privately, and in my own tempo, which helped me be more open about discussing sex later on.Jun 12 2013: I have led the "parent discussions" by folks who want their kids opted out of programs teaching sex - ed. I have no problem with that. I always shared a couple of basic statements. First, talk with your children about this topic. Second, encourage your child to talk with other trusted adults on this topic. Allow them to get as much good information from people they trust on a serious issue.May 30 2013: Both Why not also give them the old military talk in school? In WWII according to Everything You Wanted to Know about Sex but Were Afraid to Ask we had to respond to problems in Italy to stay in the War. People have to stay healty to fight.May 29 2013: Thanks for responding