text:
- Bernard White
- London Uk
- United Kingdom
This conversation is closed.
Which "should" (or would) you take : - The Red pill (reality and the truth) / sadness or - The blue pill (illusion and lies) / happiness
I'm interested in how people would understand so to make this more interesting I pose two other questions as well:
1. If you could take a "Happy pill" which would alter your mind, (with no side effects) so that you would always be happy?
2. If you realized you were on the "Happy pill" would you stop taking it? And realize that reality is far much worse?
I personally would take + stay on the happy pill.
But it is important to remember your emotional state, and the present vs future state, will greatly impact how you make this decision.
Sorry I feel I forgot to mention in the original description, the world in this scenario is "okay" (not perfect or brilliant) and this pill is available to everybody :) (Is this changing the thought experiment "too much"?)
I apologize for not making this clearer.
I hope this debate will be taken up in good spirit! :)
Barry Palmer
Mar 21 2013: I disagree with your premise that realism is necessarily sad, and that happiness is the result of illusion and lies.
- +2
That is utter nonsense. If you see no goodness and have no hope, you are being unrealistic
Engaging in sadness and pessimism is self indulgence, in the same degree as engaging in happiness and optimism.
Choose any attitude, you can always rationalize your choice.
Mar 21 2013: Please define "self indulgence".
While, and correct me if I am wrong, never said : I "see no goodness and have no hope". Of course there is lots of "goodness" (please define as well) and "hope" in the world.
While the "pill" would give you the illusion of "happiness" and that nobody would ever have to worry about anything again. (Thus getting rid of all "sadness" and "pessimism" thus creating a form of utopia, considering the fact that the external world was okay.)
Mar 21 2013: Sorry, I meant to say "If one sees no goodness ... "
I choose to not define the common terms used above.
I would have no interest in your pills. If I found out that someone was somehow feeding me a pill that distorted reality I would certainly stop taking it. (To be completely honest, I do sometimes take a pain pill.)
There is reality, and then there is one's attitude toward reality. I have a great deal of control over my attitude. I know that there are people who claim that they have no control over their reactions to the world around them. I believe they lack the proper training.
Gail .
Mar 21 2013: Happiness is a choice. Those who go through life depressed have developed a habit of thinking unhappy thoughts. These unhappy thoughts cause certain chemicals to increase and others to decrease, thus making adjustments in the body that are sometimes alleviated with medication (the happy pill). But the pill is not the cure. It is a treatment for a symptom that is caused by a conflicted and mistaken belief system. Fix the belief system and you will always choose truth/reality, and there will be no unhappiness that you do not personally choose.
- +1
You are responsible for your thoughts.
Mar 21 2013: I would be inclined to agree.
But if the "system" is already perfect, yet everybody is still not "happy".
Would you still not take it?
"Happiness is a choice". Not sure how much I agree with this though. I mean sue you can "choose" to be more optimistic, but this doesn't guarantee "happiness".
While you will always synthesise happiness (which isn't really a "choice") so in that sense happiness really isn't a choice. (Look up Hedonistic treadmill!) ;)
Mar 21 2013: If you always choose happiness (which is within your power), how could you ever be unhappy? Always choosing happiness guarantees happiness.
Try it right now. Stop what you are doing and choose to be happy for 10 seconds. Easy, right? Now work on extending that so that it will become a habit - no matter what is happening outside of you. Happiness guarantees happiness just as misery guarantees misery.
Mar 21 2013: "how could you ever be unhappy".
There can't be happiness without sadness. Unless you alter perception. And that is what this "pill" would do.
It is quite hard to just be "happy". I mean it doesn't provide any evolutionary advantage as well. Because to "survive" you need to be happy and confident enough to deal with the problem, sad enough to deal with it.
While if there was "no problem" I can't see any reason why you wouldn't take the happy pill.Mar 21 2013: Actually after thinking about this comment. I am afraid to say I couldn't really disagree more. I mean sure pursuing happiness is a choice (I mean I try to be happy) while many don't succeed. Personally though I am usually quite a happy person, not really because I choose to be though.
i mean i can choose to try and be happy but won't necessarily be happy. E.G Jews in Nazi Germany gas chambers could try and "choose" to be happy, but probably wouldn't succeed. I hope my point makes more sense now!Mar 21 2013: The idea that there can be no happiness without concurrent sadness is a cultural myth.
Yes it's hard work developing the habit of being happy. But the hard work comes with its own rewards.
I don't need to be sad to deal with a challenge (as opposed to problem). I only need to be connected with my conscience, from whence all solutions come.
I wouldn't take the happy pill because I have developed healthy thinking habits AND, even if I am not 100% consistent YET, anything that distorts reality is dangerous.
I believe that happiness is a strong and distinct evolutionary advantage for those who dwell in it. Fear (the father of sadness) also has a strong and distinct evolutionary advantage, but it is an unsustainable advantage unless the mind-set changes from fear-based to consciousness-based. Look at all the troubles in the world. The current paradigm is causing them, yet I know, because I live in a consciousness-based reality, that I am fine no matter what is going on out there in the world. With a view like that, there is no room for sadness, so the pill would be meaningless.
Furthermore, if there is a mistake in my worldview (the cause of fear), and a happy pill masks that, I can't fix the mistake, and my life is all the less for that.
Mar 21 2013: I don't know why, but I have a feeling that you are a extreme optimist, which would heavily effect how you would calculate risk. Which is bad for evolution.
I'm afraid to say I am not understanding your argument very well.
Basically I feel that you are saying : I have already achieved happiness, therefore the pill would be useless. And happiness is somehow related to conciseness, and hat conciseness has all the answers. As in another reply : Please define conciseness.
Gail .
Mar 21 2013: I'm not an optimist. I'm a realist.
- +1
Happiness is part of being self-aware or aware of and in tune with my own consciousness / conscience. (I didn't say or imply conciseness, though I am being as concise as I know how to be as I attempt to bridge the gap of understanding between us).
You cannot understand that which you do not know. What I am speaking of has to be experienced. You have obviously never experienced your union with all that is. (universal consciousness) and you have not yet found the meaning of logic. My logic is logical, but your line of thinking is not logical. How do I know? Because was once you. My awakening started with questions such as yours, but my questions were accompanied by an open mind that you do not yet have.
I don't think that I can be of much help to you for as long as you defend the myth's sentience.
Mar 21 2013: I'm sorry. (I would probably define you as a "optimistic realist", so in that sense you would still be an optimist) Maybe I hope to have this experience but until then, I don't think I will ever be able to understand you
Yet I do feel that I have an open mind, I am willing to be corrected (for I view it is vital for people to be able to admit their wrong for society to advance) yet I do not view I have been wrong!
While I'd be interested to hear your opinion on this :
A study was done which found that people usually thought the other was wrong because they were :
1. Stupid
2. Had the wrong data (which people thought once they realized they weren't stupid)
3. They were ignorant or evil (once they realized they had the same data and weren't stupid).
I would be interested to hear your opinion on this.Mar 21 2013: I am not an optimist because I don't "hope" for the best or worst for anyone or anything. I create my reality. I accept what I create. That's not optimism. It's realism. I know that this is going over your head a little, but that's a good thing - to stretch your way of thinking.
I'm not suggesting that you are a narrow-minded tyrant. I'm only suggesting that you know very little about your world. In another place, you said that you weren't sure if Santa Clause exists or not. That is certainly young. I would have thought that anyone on this forum would have outgrown that fantasy character by now. Hope I didn't hurt you too much by busting your balloon. But you must have been ready to hear it or the words would not have appeared on your screen.
I don't think that you are stupid. You are young and inexperienced. You are not expected to have figured out everything by now. No one has figured out everything. It's just that some of us have figured out more than others. Life is a journey. It isn't a contest.
I don't think that you have the wrong data. I do think that you don't have enough of available data. Again, because you are young and haven't had time to find it - which it seems you are seeking now.
I don't think it would be fair to call you ignorant because you are looking for answers, and ignorant people don't do that. I would certainly not call you evil because evil doesn't exist except in peoples' imaginations.
You do not think that you have been wrong in this because your thinking is exactly like the type of thinking that you are being trained to think like. But I am asking you to think differently, to question differently, to see a far grander reality than most of the world lives in, to get in touch with your awareness of your own power.
Mar 21 2013: "I create my reality. I accept what I create". To me brings a japanese proverb quote : "People live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That's how they define "reality". But what does it mean to be "correct" or "true"? Merely vague concepts… their "reality" may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to simply be living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?"
"In another place, you said that you weren't sure if Santa Clause exists or not." Just like I am not sure whether God (from the christian definition) exists. I mean I view it as highly unlikely. But there is no way to prove or disprove Santa Claus, so I would have to be an agnostic about Santa. :) I mean I'm an agnostic about whether other people exist or not. But live my life as if other people exist, because there is no harm in doing so.
That's what I mean when I say I'm not sure whether Santa Claus exists.
In the way my definition of "belief" is : Most probable, and nothing is truly certain.
And the fact remains : No matter how logical and rational something may seem, it doesn't mean it is true! Because one of the logical steps may be wrong.
But I feel I am getting too side tracked with my own debate I started. :)
I thank you for being patient and listening, and submitting your opinion (even though I think sometimes that you are wrong, not to say that we shouldn't carry on!) :)Mar 21 2013: It is true that the most basic untestable things are not certain, but there is evidence showing how Santa was invented, how he evolved, and how he came into being the way he is currently presented. There IS no Santa Clause living in a village at the North Pole. Our technology would have discovered that village thus further banishing the idea as a lie.
There is also evidence that IF god exists, it is nothing like the God of Abraham - in the slightest. It is non-threatening. It might even have died in the big bang.
Evenso, you will not find too many who will agree on any definition of that which is because no one knows if all the things that you see around you really exist. That's fine. But when someone tells me that I will go to hell if I don't follow his religious path, that person has crossed the line and what he believes DOES affect me if he mixes his religion up with government that passes laws that discriminate against me and others - as is the case around the world when it comes to the religions based on the Abrahamic Gods.
Yes, long conversation. Enjoyed it. I'll end it now unless you ask more questions.
Mar 21 2013: Just to say I would recommend you :
Tali Sharot: The optimism bias:
Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness:
Dan Gilbert: Why we make bad decisions:
While my only real question would be, would you believe in a form of pantheism? :)
I mean I can't really see why not many would to be honest. Unless you are an agnostic / atheist about the universe existing.
Also are you a Buddhism by any chance? Because personally I have never understood Buddhism and think it is probably flawed in a few ways. Such as "Ignorance and desire is the heart of all evil" I would actually say "Rationalization" was through my little experience in
psychology. (Which can be caused by so many psychological mechanisms! :( )Mar 21 2013: More Panentheist. I am a god. You are a god. We are a god. But I do believe that spiritual ignorance is the heart of all suffering (I won't use the word evil because I don't believe in it.) Desire is just a subset of fear, which is a result of spiritual ignorance.
I'm pretty sure I have seen the Dan Gilbert talks, but not the optimism bias. I'll review them.
Hey, thanks for the long dialogue. Happy searching! Bye.
Mar 25 2013: I personally would say rationalisation is the heart of all suffering. Not desire. :)
While after thinking about it for quite a while I have come to accept I may have been wrong about happiness not being a choice. I admit that it probably is to a certain extent! (While I still standby to say that it doesn't guarantee it but certainly makes it far more likely!) :)Mar 25 2013: Please justify your claim: " I personally would say rationalisation is the heart of all suffering. Not desire. :)" Why would you say that. Anyone who knows how to think rationally would not say anything as irrational as that.
Mar 25 2013: Because even if you have desire, you wouldn't do anything "immoral" if you couldn't "rationlize" it.
E.G Stealing is wrong.
I stole a pencil (because i desired a pencil.
It was okay I stole a pencil because it is only a pencil after all.
While if you could not do the 3rd step, you would only desire the pencil, but you would never steal the pencil.
Hope I have explained this well enough. :)Mar 25 2013: Sorry I am not sure whether I got your reply.
Do you mind sending it again? :D
I only saw the beginning.
Please explain why I am wrong, because I am just saying what seems most likely to me. (And to Dan Ariely, and Philip Zimabardo.
I mean yes in the most fundamental form desire is the cause of all suffering, pleasure, neutrality ect ect. But it is Rationalization which enables us to act upon these desires.Mar 25 2013: You are very unaware of your own internal processes. Further discussion is wasted effort. You don't know what you are talking about and don't' want to know.Mar 25 2013: How can someone as irrational as you speak of rationality at all? This is not said to offend you, but rather, to encourage you to think more deeply about HOW you think (as opposed to what you think). You make no sense.
Mar 25 2013: Do you mind defining "rationality" to make more sense to me.
Is rationality "maximizing utility"
Is it "with reason, being reasonable"
or is it something else? :)
While I this could just be a cognitive bias (for me), but I'm not sure why i'm being irrational at all.
I mean are you saying this just because I disagree with you? (I'm rational, he's disagreeing with me, therefore he must be irrational?)
While even though I disagree with you one some things, I don't view you as irrational....Mar 25 2013: Rational = logical. You add things like evil and morals (etc) to explain away what you have not yet used logic to define. If you can prove or simply present scientific evidence that evil and morals exist or even could exist - then you may do that. But you cannot prove that evil exists any more than you can prove that God exists, therefore, the conversation only SEEMS TO make sense to you because your beliefs tell you that it makes sense. To all those who have taken the time to comprehend the idea of evil, the idea makes no sense whatsoever because it is so irrational. If you REALLY think about evil, (not just surface scanning or emotional reactivity) you too will walk away from the idea.
Most people are unaware of what lies in their belief structures. Therefore, they do not change those that they have outgrown, those that conflict with one another, those that are untested assumptions, and those that are just plain wrong. Until you do that, you will not know what rational means and no one can tell you in a way that you will understand. The rational do not speak irrationally, nor do they speak lies because a lie is a irrational act.
Mar 25 2013: Also I have been logical, so therefore rational. But whether my logic is right or wrong, is different from rationality. :)
Well I forgot to mention.
I define Evil as "an intention or action to harm someone physically, mentally or spiritually."
And I think you can find that exists in our world. Just look at someone who harms someone else, and from my definition the concept of "evil" must exist.
Hope my logic now makes more sense to you.
And for that intention to take place, humans require an ability to rationalize their actions.
So yes desire is the fundamental cause of most emotions, and intentions. While if they are just intentions and desires, it requires rationalization for them to become actions.
E.G you can make people do evil due to : Dehumanization of the enemy, conformity to the group + a need to be socially accepted, bystander effect, obedience to authority, conflict of interests, wearing alternate uniforms associated with certain identities. All of these encourages the rationalization of these "aggressive + harmful" behaviours.
I have explained this badly haven't I? If I have please say.
I mean if desire is the fundamental thing which causes suffering that doesn't really do much to be honest. Because pleasure is also caused by desire. So if you got rid of desire, then we would just be sort of zombies. (With no pleasure nor suffering.)
I hope this helps, I apologize I have not structured this reply very well.Mar 25 2013: If you're just going to make up your own definitions of words as you go along (irrational if you want to have a rational discussion) then you may as well just go on talking to yourself. Words have meanings that are commonly understood. It is irrational to have an uncommon meaning for a word and not include a glossary before writing any text. You can't expect people to know what you don't tell them, and if you do, you are being irrational.
Emotions are an indication that there is an error in your belief system. They are not the children of desire. It takes belief (thought constructs) to create emotions that spur action. You confuse thought with rational thought. These are two different things. When you learn how to think rationally, you will no longer be owned by emotions because you will have cleaned out your tangled belief system. Emotions will seem to evaporate from your life, as will your ego, at which time something far better than happiness takes its place..
Mar 25 2013: PART 1
I feel this is a better way of explaining what I meant. :)
I did not mean rationality is the cause of all evil (in the way of logical thought). Defining Evil as : "An intentional action to harm someone physically, mentally or spiritually". I do not feel this is changing the definition due to the Oxford dictionary agreeing with me, and many others as well. Also even if it wasn't a true definition, there are so many different definitions of God and Happiness then it wouldn't make sense to say many of them are irrational.
I mean if I defined Evil as a chair, then that probably would be irrational because they are not related much.
It definatley isn't. I could see why you would think that was irrational.
What I meant to say was . It is the ability to "rationalize our actions" which can be achieved through many ways. Let's say you stole a pencil you "could" say to "rationalize" your actions by saying :
1. The person i stole the pencil from deserved it (a slight dehumanization)
2. Everybody was stealing pencils. (Social conformity)
3. I was ordered to steal a pencil/ had no choice. (Obedience to authority)
4. I was tired and I needed that pencil. (Your emotional state)
5. Nobody stopped me from taking the pencil so it must have been okay. (abusing the bystander effect/ social judgement)
6. I helped someone from stealing the pencil. (Evil caused by an altruistic motive)
7. It was only a pencil! Get over it! :D (Distances yourself from the responsibility)
I mean there are many ways we can "rationalize" our actions. (You can probably think of some more)Mar 25 2013: PART 2
While if we could not "rationalize" our desire to kill someone we would not do it.
E.G "I want to kill X" that would be a desire. But you would require something to "rationalize your actions" E.G "I want to kill X because he is evil, and it will help my family".
I hoped I have explained this well enough!.
Rationalize = Makes seem reasonable. Not Rationality. Rationality = Logical thought or in other contexts, the decision which maximized your utility!
While I accept that defining these things may be completely subjective. As you would argue, I mean as Colleen Steen pointed out very well, everybody has some form of subjective truth, what is true to them.(E.G the data and knowledge they have, so what they say is logical and rational to them, but isn't the "truth" to you. While no matter about these "subjective truths" there is still an objective truth!) While once you have defined Good and Evil you can then calculate objective what will cause the most amount of "harm". Which I would label as objective morality.
While if you don't define Good and Evil I feel that there isn't really such thing as morality and all actions are just actions!
I mean yes Morality and justice (and many other things) are just human constructs.
Just to say I deleted my last comment, because I felt it wasn't very constructive!
I hope these 2 comments explain my beliefs a lot better!Mar 25 2013: Morality is a human construct. Justice as YOU understand it is a human construct. Justice as "I" understand it is not. Evil doesn't exist and if you think about it thoroughly, you will agree.
Beliefs determine how you will rationalize a behavior. Beliefs are either learned from others or they are chosen and they might change over time. But you cannot say that Beliefs are the root of all suffering because beliefs form the fabric of our realities. By your description, someone who chooses "good" would be creating suffering just as someone who chooses "evil" would.
Yes, if you don't define Good and Evil, there really isn't such a thing as morality, so talking about morality to me, who doesn't believe in Good and Evil or a moral code is a waste of your efforts.
First are beliefs. If they are valid, you experience satisfaction and ease of life. If they are invalid you experience dissatisfaction in the form of emotion. Thoughts PRECEDE emotions.
If you live with dissatisfaction, you will make very different choices than if you life with satisfaction. Because your choices are different, so too will be your consequences.
If you believe that you are powerless, you will join those who demand an army and police force and all sorts of thought police to keep those you fear in check. You might even look for a God to protect you. But if you believe that no one can harm you without your consent, then you will not be harmed. You will not experience the fear the other you lives with moment by moment - so much so that it is no longer recognized.
I have tested the safety thing. More than once I have been in a life or death situation and did not use violence in the name of self defense, because I believe that it is irrational to do so. It would actually cause me greater harm or even death.
I believe all are one, and separations you see among us are perceptual illusion. Thus to harm you is to harm me. Not morality. Just common sense. I'm a powerful "beiing".
Mar 25 2013: Ofcouse so many things are human constructs, but this doesn't prevent us from objectively independently (getting rid of our cognitive biases) calculating what is "right" depending on your definitions.
I mean shake-spear said : "Nothing is good or bad without thinking it so." (Might have got this quote slightly wrong, but you get the gist.)
Why do believe it is common sense that "to harm you is to harm me", I'm pretty sure that is a form of morality!
While if there is no morality it has two implications for you:
1. You can never ever claim that you have a moral compass.
2. I can kill you and there is nothing wrong or evil with that. Wrong and Evil imply morality.
And If I kill you that is not harming me at all! (Assuming I get away with the consequences in terms of material world!)
I would be interested to see how you answer this. Because with your own moral code, of their being no morality and good and evil. You can't claim this would be bad at all. (Or beneficial for that matter)Mar 25 2013: I do not claim to have a moral compass.
If you could kill me against my will (which you cannot), there is nothing wrong or evil with that.
If all are one, if you harm me, you harm yourself equally, and if I allow you to kill me, I harm you equally.
BUT: as I believe in the eternal validity of the soul(s) (universal consciousness that we are) and I believe that energy is self-aware - to go back to one of our first conversations - even rocks have consciousness, as do atoms and galaxies and civilizations, and energy does not die because it does not live in time, I am eternal as the greater part of my "being". I think that in the scheme of eternal, if I were to allow you to kill me, we will at some point figure out where we made our mistake in our beliefs, and we will probably try again using more rational beliefs.
Mar 25 2013: "If you could kill me against my will (which you cannot), there is nothing wrong or evil with that.
If all are one, if you harm me, you harm yourself equally, and if I allow you to kill me, I harm you equally."
Yes I could kill you against your will. Easily assananate you with a sniper rifle. Your dead against your own will. There are so many ways I could kill you against your will. That (in my opinion) is an ignorant statement, unless you mean it in something metaphorical.
And If I harm you, I don't harm myself at all. I mean If I shot you please explain how this would harm me? If I didn't feel much empathy (which sometime I don't) towards other people, then I'm not really sure how this would harm me at all..... Physically? You'd be dead. Emotionally? I wouldn't feel empathy for you (or more a psychopath wouldn't) under certain psychological conditions.
Spiritually? Not really, if God doesn't exist,or at least the God you are talking about wouldn't really care.
SORRY! I apologize deeply. After reading this comment I realized it was really sadistic. But I would still like you to answer for I feel there isn't really any other way of explaining it! :(
Energy is not self-aware nor is matter!!!!! Even Dogs aren't self-aware, so how on earth is something animate like matter meant to self aware?
Also if you say "which you cannot" in refernce to if I could find you! I could always hire a hacker to find out all your details. From your TED account alone I have realized you live roughly :
United States, Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. (Sorry if this is going a bit too "far" to prove my point!)
Your female which narrows it down a lot!
Sorry to sound like a MASSIVE STALKER. haha :D (Hopefully you won't take offence!)Mar 25 2013: Where do morals come from? What are morals?
Mar 25 2013: From Evolution.
And wanting to do altruistic deeds (empathy + Theory of the mind), yet at the same time wanting to survive (pre theory of mind).
A bit like the present vs future self argument. In the way that we can dehumanize people, which then reduces our moral responsibility.Mar 25 2013: I do hope that you will reply to my earlier comment. The questions were meant to be merely a PS and I can't reply to your comment until I know how you will reply to mine.Mar 25 2013: Well, I guess it's your opinion vs. mine. The difference I see is that I have faced imminent death and imminent rape, and I have diffused both situations leaving me quite safe and unharmed. I learned about how PEACE is a power - literally - a real power - that can be used to protect me from those who do not know what peace is.
And if our physical evolution as a species was enhanced because of a built-in moral code, then we must have taken a very wrong turn at some point, because look at what is happening in the world. We are destroying our nest. We are procreating beyond the ability of the earth to sustain us. Global warming makes it harder year by year. Our fiscal system is designed to encourage the majority of "the race of laborers" to die early from poverty related causes (called "natural law"). This is done by bad farming practices that destroy arable land and potable water and breathable air - to name a few. Is greed and fear the new moral code? Is our destruction built into our genes?
You do not appear to know what it means to have discovered your own powers. You have not tested them. You are not practicing manifesting things into your reality. You do not have mounds of evidence that you are a powerful being. You have not gone looking for an explanation of how this can be true, and you have not explored your beliefs.
I have been exploring these things for the last 30 years. I have a head start.
I suspect that this conversation has gone as far as it can go.
Mar 25 2013: No I don't think this conversation is done at all.
I'm impressed : "I have diffused both situations leaving me quite safe and unharmed". While this doesn't guarantee that I couldn't kill you. (Not saying that I want to.)
No peace isn't power.
Power is control and influence over people, not knowing yourself or being more self-aware. That is different. I would be powerful if I ruled and controlled some of the most powerful countries, not necessarily happy or content. Or even making the world a better place, but you can't deny I would have power.
I would have so much power, as an Japanese anime character said, I could split the world into two armies into two and make them fight eachother.
Do you believe we all have free-will? Out of interest. I suppose you would considering that you view "Happiness is a complete choice". If destruction is built into our genes, then so be it. At least I will be happy, before my demise and content.
While you must gain and fight for power. One of my favourite quotes concerning what really matters is :
"There is something rather comforting facing death in battle, nothing else really seems to exist, except for my pure instinct to survive! It's all that matters. Personal history, sex, nationality, the name given to you. It's all meaningless. This is the only thing which is real: To fight for nothing else except for my own existence!" (I feel I must say : "We are not here to be happy, we are here to survive" - Oliver James. Great man)
While with power you can do "good" or "evil". Yet you don't believe in morals do you?Mar 25 2013: Out of interest how far would you agree with this quote :
""Equal effort does not mean equal gain. People can there is a balance that everything happens for a reason. But the truth is far less designed. No matter how hard you work, when you die you die. Some spend their entire life trying to scratch their way to the top, and still die in poverty. While some are born into wealth and never have to work at all. It's a cruel and random world. But the Chaos is still do beautiful!"
Because I am getting a strong feeling from you, that life is probably meaningless, while you strive to create a meaning. And your meaning so happens to make you believe that you are eternal and powerful. Not saying this isn't true (I don't believe you are that powerful though :p). While I hate to use the typical atheist saying (Which I actually don't believe) but would be interested to see how you would respond : What evidence do you have to suggest that you are eternal, and it isn't just completely based on "faith"? And that we have just created meaning to deal with our existence.Mar 26 2013: You're not even trying to grasp what I'm saying here. You just keep making wild assumptions that are not evidence based. You assume I'm lying and you assume that you know what's going on in my head. You want to live in a mechanical world while I choose to live in an organic one. I cannot unlearn what I have learned. I cannot go back to that chaotic jumble of rules that once made my life so difficult.
My worldview came through years of study that you have not yet engaged in. My belief in an organic world cemented when I discovered quantum mechanics that demonstrated how it could be true, and neuroscience that demonstrates that only the smallest part of me is housed in my body - as quantum mechanics suggested was most probable.
My power is accessible to me because I know that I have GREAT power within my reality. As soon as I try to lord it over you, it dissipates and backfires. You do not believe my claims of being able to manifest things and situations into my reality because your belief about power is so distorted. You do not believe in my tested ability to protect myself from harm because you have never tested your ability. It is unreasonable (irrational) for you to make judgments about that which you have absolutely no knowledge. Your reasoning skills are not good enough.
As to meaning: There is only one meaning to life: I think, therefore I am. I do not strive to create meaning. I have purpose, however; but meaning and purpose are two very different things.
At some point, part of life is faith-based no matter how much evidence I have supporting my worldview. Evolution is faith based, but there is abundant evidence showing that evolution is real, so those with rational worldviews accept it as a "Theory" that is probably right - hence the element of faith. My worldview is rational whereas yours is not.
As you are not interested in a purpose-driven conversation that I care to participate in, I will end it here.
Mar 26 2013: I think this conversation will have to end.
But you still haven't refuted my claim about power.
Replace meaning with purpose and your argument falls apart.
I do not assume you are lying, I just view that you are wrong.
While Yes I will admit I can't make assumptions about you!
But I can make assumptions on the knowledge I have and try and make the most logical and rational assumption.
"As to meaning: There is only one meaning to life: I think, therefore I am." NO that is not meaning.
Anyway I am getting tired of this debate.
So yes This has come to an end. (I apologize, I view that you are irrational and probably deluded, and don't want to admit it.)
While I hope you are more respectable on other subjects.Mar 21 2013: I believe happiness is really not caring if I am happy. So I would not take any pill. If you insist, I will take the Red pill. It may not be a good idea to be uphorically happy with so much suffering around me.
Mar 21 2013: But if this pill was available to everybody?
Mar 21 2013: Then I will have you take the red pill and watch you closely before taking it myself.
Mar 21 2013: And if no side effects happened, and then everything became a lot "better" for me? :)Mar 21 2013: Bernard and Pabitra,
First of all, I don't like taking pills, so it's not likely I would take one to try to create happiness, AND, I believe that happiness is a choice for which I do not need a pill:>)
Secondly, I agree with Pabitra, that true happiness/contentment is simply "being". In my perception, one does not have to always focus on the idea of happiness/contentment.....it just "IS" part of the life experience.....or not. Happiness is a way of travel...not only a destination:>)
You seem to be seperating "reality and the truth/sadness" (Red pill), from "illusion and lies) / happiness " (Blue pill)
So, you perceive reality and truth as sadness, and illusion and lies as happiness? Do you not see that one can be happy/content with reality and truth, just as one can be happy/content with illusion and lies? One can also choose to feel sadness with reality, truth, illusion and lies.
Our PERCEPTION colors the life experience, just as it colors the pills:>)
Mar 21 2013: I suppose when I would say "reality and truth/sadness" I have always found the "truth" under all the lies to be quite upsetting. For instance people can lie that they like you when they don't. While I 99% agree with you that happiness should be a journey not a destination.
But I find it difficult to accept that one could be equally happy with the truth, than with lies. But with all I have studied in psychology this would make some sense...Mar 21 2013: You state the important words Bernard...."I have always found the "truth" under all the lies to be quite upsetting".
That is your perception. One could experience joy with the discovery of truth under all the lies.....see what I mean?
To use your example..."people can lie that they like you when they don't".
How does that impact you? The lie is theirs....not yours. If you know s/he is lying, it simply gives you information about that person.
If you "find it difficult to accept that one could be equally happy with the truth, than with lies", that is a choice you are making for yourself....it doesn't have anything to do with anyone else. It is your own perception....perhaps colored by information you have received in the past?
You say..."But with all I have studied in psychology this would make some sense..."
What would make sense? To me, it doesn't make sense to seperate and catagorize, as you have done in this discussion.
Mar 21 2013: I think the fundamental problem I have is that changing your perception doesn't necessarily guarantee happiness.
I mean the Jews in Nazi Germany concentration camps could try and "choose" to be happy, but probably wouldn't succeed. While the truth no matter what would be they would have a high probability of being killed, and no matter whether they are "lied" to this would still be the case.
While if they were lied to, it would increase their chances of being happy, rather than having the daunting anticipation of death, which they would have no knowledge of when it would come.
For they could change their perception all they want, but this doesn't change the truth.
Sorry to sound slightly depressing.
Kind Regard Bernard.Mar 21 2013: Dear Bernard,
There are no guarantees in life. In my humble perception and experience, life is an exploration. So, the more I can open the mind and heart to the process and possibilities, the better.
Actually, there are many true stories of people in concentration camps who chose to focus on helping others, playing music, etc., and it apparently made their experience less horrible. You're right, they were probably lied to, and it did not change their perception within the limited situation.
Do you honestly think/feel that those who were in concentration camps were not aware that death was a possibility for them in each and every moment? Do you think they were not aware of what was going on around them? I suggest that many of them knew exactly what was happening. It is not that difficult to identify the smell of burning flesh. Some of these folks who KNEW, continued to take care of, and help others.
It did not change the truth, and it did not change their perception of truth. It DID change their perception of how they were living their lives in that moment.....make any sense?
A personal example....
Years ago, I sustained a near fatal head injury....was not expected to live.....when I did live, was not expected to ever function normally again. This was rather "shocking" news when I regained consciousness and could not function. What the hell am I going to do now? What will life be like for me?
I could not change the fact that I was brain damaged, and I could have wallowed in self pity for the rest of my life. I could have taken a Red pill and experienced the reality and truth with sadness in my heart and mind. I could have taken a blue pill and lived a life of illusion, lies and happiness.
I chose the purple pill....I faced the reality and truth....sometimes experienced sadness and fear....and I continued to live life with happiness, contentment, and a resolve to learn, grow and evolve from the experience. Make any sense?
Mar 21 2013: Out of interest, are your views quite similar/ different to "Gail (formerly TED Lover)".
Who beleives that happiness is a choice. Ask him. It shall be interested in read :)
Just to say with your personal example, I admire you for it and can now see your logic far more clearly.
I must admit you do have a lot of truth in these words (your reply). While helping others, due to evolution, would be a lot more happy (proven that altruisic deeds make you more happy) :).
Have you read "The power of Now"? Because it suggests what you are saying, and I have met and heard many psychologists saying that if only people would live in the present a bit more and stop "imagining" and worrying about the future.
I am sorry I am not able to give you a full reply.
I mean I have read many psychology books on positive psychology (e.g Stumbling upon happiness, The paradox of choice, Orgigins of pleasure). And I must admit the most amazing fact was that humans Synthesis happiness, and that as long you are a satisfyer then you will always be "satisfied"/ happy. And that "less choice" (While you still need some choice, and autonmy) leads to more happiness.
Would recommend you :
Tali Sharot: The optimism bias:
Dan Gilbert: The surprising science of happiness:
Dan Gilbert: Why we make bad decisions:
I hope this helps. :)Mar 24 2013: Hi Bernard,
It appears that "Gail (formerly TED Lover)" and I share many similar thoughts, ideas, and perspectives, and yes, it appears we are on the same page regarding happiness being a choice.
The information I share is true for me.....it may not be truth for others. I accept and respect that, because I am not trying to convince anyone that I am "right", or that what I think I know is the only truth.
I believe that we are all connected with energy, so when we connect with others on a physical level (words, interactions, etc), we are like mirrors, reflecting ideas back and forth all the time. When one gets "stuck" in their own belief, the reflection is interupted. It is not necessary to totally accept everything everyone says as OUR OWN belief. The important piece is to accept it as THEIR belief......AS LONG AS THE BELIEF AND PRACTICE OF THE BELIEF DOES NOT ADVERSLY IMPACT OTHER PEOPLE.
With the idea that we are all connected, helping others, encouraging and supporting others in their life journey, is actually helping ourselves as well.
Yes, I read "The Power of Now" a long time ago, and it made a LOT of sense to me when I read it. I agree that living in the moment, and discontinuing the mind chatter about all sorts of things that are imagined, projected, worried about and/or not relevant to the moment creates more contentment in our lives.
That which is called "Positive psychology", "New Age", etc., embrace beliefs and practices that have been indroduced to us throughout history by teachers, gurus, sages, psychologists, etc. etc.
One does not have to be a "satisfyer" to be "satisfied". This suggests that if we simply keep pleasing others we will be happy/content? That is not how it works in my perception and experience.
As I said in another comment....I watched the videos you recommend quite some time ago:>)
Mar 25 2013: Yes I like the subject of positive psychology a lot! (And have quite a few books, because it fascinates me how counter intuitive happiness actually is!)
I find Daniel Gilberts message amazing though, how we can synthesise happiness (and how sometimes less choice equates to more happiness!) , and how that we are poor at predicting risk and value of certain actions.
While the subject which fascinates me the most (and probably upsets me the most) is the psychology of aggression and evil, and how you can make 'almost' anybody into a killer when you want. Watch :
Philip Zimbardo: The psychology of evil
Dan Ariely: Our buggy moral code :
I have read lots of books on the matter. To mention a few :
The lucifer effect
The honest truth about dishonesty
Mistakes were made but not by me (a book which effected me a lot!)
On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and SocietyMar 25 2013: Bernard,
How or why do you perceive happiness to be "counter intuitive"?
I suggest that one reason less choice may equate to more happiness, is because with more choices, our brain gets bogged down with information, making the choices more difficult. When there are fewer choices, the brain is less cluttered with mind chatter:>)
I do not agree that we (you mean humans?) are "poor at predicting risk and value of certain actions". The more we are mindfully aware, and KNOW our "self", the better we are at evaluating information, therefore better able to consider risk and value.
I do not believe you can "make almost anybody into a killer". Although, as humans, that instinct may be possible in any of us, as thinking, feeling intelligent beings, we have choices.
Mar 25 2013: I feel that even once you have all the data and are "self-aware" sometimes you can not make the most rational decision (sometime due to how the data is framed, or how you are "anchored" to certain parts of data, or due to your ego ect...)
"How or why do you perceive happiness to be "counter intuitive"?".
Because what makes you happy is different from what you would expect, therefore counter intuitive. In the way it would make more sense to assume : "Once I get that new "T.V, game, painting ect" then I will be happy" While this is not the case.
I hope this has answered your question.Mar 25 2013: Bernard,
That is what I mean when I say "know thyself". When we "know" ourself, we can frame the information in many different ways without getting "anchored" (attached) to certain parts of the data.
Yes....if we have expectations, then sometimes our expectations are not consistant with reality, and that can be disappointing. When we let go of expectations, we may discover something different!
Yes....of course....if one assumes that external "stuff" will make him/her happy, then there is the possibility for disappointment.
When one knows that happiness does not come from external stimuli, one has no expectations of happiness through that avenue. It makes no sense to me at all to assume that once I get the new TV, game, painting etc. I will be happy.Mar 28 2013: For me happiness is a relative term. If everyone took the blue pill, and everyone were happy, wouldn't it still be possible for some to be happier than others? I
W. Ying
Mar 28 2013: .
- 0
"Happiness is the short-time feeling of things being a-step-better for keeping our DNA alive."
"Happy pill" makes us live short.
(For details, see the 1st article, point 2(2) at
.Mar 27 2013: Awful things happen in a beautiful world. One does not negate the other. Reality my friend.Mar 25 2013: I would like to think that reality is fairly happy, that one can have the best of both worlds.Mar 22 2013: If I may add my two cents.
There are enough scholarly treatise of the psychology of happiness and I appreciate Bernard's links. I also find Gail's and Colleen's positions regarding happiness being a choice.
My life experiences prevent me to see happiness as simply sweet. It's a range of tastes of life and self and most often than not, it came to me as bitter sweet. I used to look for it in satisfaction and contentment and delved into the rightfulness of personal happiness when I can clearly see suffering, inequality and struggle for existence all around me. I also felt guilty to be in a perpetual state of happiness while consoling someone's loss and grief.
I don't have rational answers to Bernard's questions but happiness demanded extreme pain and loss of me, it made me admit my warped ego and see the worthlessness of material attachments. I am not sure if I am happy but after quite a journey of life I am happy not to look for it anymore.
I don't see the happiness that comes through not caring for happiness in a wide awake world of changes and active participation is all things small and big that can make life a bit better as illusion or a lie. It's not a bliss, I admit, but it's vibrant, exciting and positive.
One just needs to walk some length to have it. That walk is Bernard's Red pill and strangely it has a side effect - happiness.
Mar 22 2013: Interesting.
It seems almost everybody views that the Red Pill would get you happiness, doesn't it? :)
Due to happiness being a "choice". I might have to some research (and get rid of my own biases) and find out how much truth is in this statement. :)Mar 22 2013: This is interesting...
Today I woke up thinking... "today i will have no expectations" i went through the day quite happy. when i was at work, i lost a document, nothing catastrophic, but because i had no expectations of keeping it, i just began again. it was quite a happy day for me.
So I would definitely take the happy pill, most people think I am on one generally anyhow. just like i realize my shift key is giving out lol...
Mar 22 2013: Well one psychologist claims that "low expectations" is the secret to happiness.
But I suppose if you had none, then that would probably guarantee it.... :)Mar 22 2013: To be happy in any situation is one of the highest form of evolution as a person, to be equinamous always. When situations do not effect your happy state of mind and you can be happy without outside support of drugs, situations or people you have attained eternal bliss. You become a Saint or Budha. All of us may not be able to attain this but even spending life trying to achieve this state of mind is akin to a victory,"Smiling Budha"Mar 21 2013: many paople have already taken the blue pill without knowing it.Mar 21 2013: Escape is good once in a while but not all of the time as then your entire life is the pursuit of a sensation what ever that sensation that might be, drugs, sex, gambling, adrenalin, even fishing.
Here is an idea take the Red pill and view things as they are, I guarantee you will be happier than with the blue pill and the ever increasing doses required.
Mar 21 2013: The blue pill would give you permanent happiness, it would not be like momentarily happiness. (Like drugs, sex, adrenalin).
I hope I have explained this better now. :)
You would only need to take it once, and "now you'r be happy for the rest of your life".
Mar 21 2013: A definition is in order the definition of happiness: overcoming barriers in the pursuit of a goal
This is not a constant sate of euphoria. Otherwise you get this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnevk-6h6aIMar 21 2013: There is a children's book called The Giver that takes up this point. It's a utopia/dystopia in which everyone takes a pill that regulates emotion so that they are always satisfied with life... except that one person is selected to be the one who is fully aware of everything that is going on.
I like to see things as they are, to see the beauty and potential in the situation, and to work at positive change.
Mar 21 2013: Sorry to be so specific but you would "like to see things as they are".
I'm not sure you would "like" it, but you might "want" to. :)
Though I can see your point of few quite well.
But for me, if this "pill" was available to everybody (and had no side effects, and the world was "okay") then I would see no reason not to.
"I like to see things as they are, to see the beauty and potential in the situation, and to work at positive change.". Why would you "like" this. (I suppose in an odd way the pill would guarantee you would "see" this, even though it would be an illusion!) While I would have to admit, suffering is necessary for change to a certain extent.
I find this quite hard to explain. :s :)
Mar 21 2013: By "like" I meant prefer.
Mar 21 2013: Still I am not sure you would prefer to want to see things as they are.
But we feel some sort of "need"/ "want" to.Mar 21 2013: That makes sense. It is hard to be sure of what other people would prefer.
Mar 21 2013: :)
Well as many psychologists like Daniel Gilbert have found out.
We are the worst creature at (usaully) predicting what will make us happy.
And what I am trying to argue here, which is more important in a way :
- Happiness.
or (Assuming you can only have one or the other!)
- Truth.
I personally would argue "happiness" with the illusion of truth.
While to be fair you could argue "truth" with the illusion of happiness. (Not really sure how this work though)Mar 21 2013: I think what makes this a peculiar question is that you are defining away the sort of happiness or satisfaction one might get from making the very best of challenging situations or the idea that some people, at least, need challenge to be content..
You might be interested in Martin Seligman's TED talk on positive pdychology that takes on part of this issue.


text:
Book publishers sure find us lovable: Why else would they flood our offices with all these "advance reading copies" of their upcoming titles?
Sign up for the AARP Leisure Newsletter
We can't read them all, of course, but we have been turning pages just as fast as our carpally challenged fingers will let us to find the novels and nonfiction we think you'll enjoy this summer.
We call our proudest finds "watercooler cool reads"; they're the ones we talk up when we run down the block for coffee.
After listening to the 119th spontaneous review from a caffeinating colleague, I asked my coworkers (and a few select book world friends) to put a lid on it — that is, to cap their cappuccinos, return to their keyboards and capture their thoughts about any favorite new work, so long as it feels like play. Our fevered scribbles follow. Unless otherwise specified, the books are currently available online and in bookstores.
Joyland by Stephen King
Looking for a valentine to 1973? You'll find it in King's new ghost story/mystery novel, where the characters in a beachside amusement park smoke Winstons, drink Cold Duck and listen to the Doors. Oh, and chase phantoms, of course: The park's Horror House is haunted, and it's up to novice carny barker Devin Jones to free more than a few trapped spirits. After savoring all that King stuffs into Joyland — dialogue, action, coming-of-age epiphanies and at least two ghosts — pause to admire everything The Master wisely leaves out: You'll meet not a single wasted word as you zip through these pages. (June 4) — Allan Fallow
Night Film by Marisha Pessl
This fiendishly inventive novel should be the Blair Witch Project of the book-publishing world this summer. It's a sort of literary scavenger hunt retracing the efforts of Scott McGrath, a journalist disgraced by an on-air rant, to get at the truth behind the suicide of the brilliant and disturbed Ashley Cordova at age 24. Ashley's father, Stanislas, is a cult-movie director whose "night films" (such as Thumbscrew and La Douleur), shown only in underground screenings, are "so horrifying, audience members are known to pass out in terror." The 35-year-old Pessl's innovative use of multimedia to tell this creepy tale deepens her renown as a stylistic show-woman. (Aug. 20) — AF
Snow White Must Die by Nele Neuhaus
Publishing insiders call the dragon-tatted genre "Scandi-noir," and a few pages into this thriller you may find yourself cynically ticking off its predictable elements: Isolated northern European village? Check. Teen girls who vanished more than a decade ago, plus dysfunctional characters who know each other wa-a-y too well? Check and check. Young, curious, black-clad, punked-out, over-pierced woman? Check times 5! Stick with it, though: This international best seller features an engaging pair of detectives wrestling demons of their own, and a twisty-turny plot that keeps you guessing what befell those teens until just pages from the end. — Carol Kaufmann
A Curious Man: The Strange and Brillant Life of Robert "Believe It or Not" Ripley by Neal Thompson
And the award for most fascinating biography of the summer goes to … this tale that returns America's greatest showman to the spotlight. The gawky, stuttering, bucktoothed Ripley got his start at 18 in 1908, when Life magazine recognized his genius as an editorial cartoonist. He then wrote a sports column that detailed amazing feats of athleticism, but turned to factoids when he ran low on material. The items in Ripley's "Believe It or Not!" newspaper feature were designed either to rile the public (uh, Lindbergh was not the first to fly the Atlantic?) or revolt it; the man who could dislocate his jaw and "swallow" his own nose comes to mind. Thompson's breakneck pace lets you polish off this jaunty bio in a single weekend. — John Wilwol
Hothouse: The Art of Survival and the Survival Art at America's Most Celebrated House, Farrar, Straus & Giroux by Boris Kachka
Farrar, Straus & Giroux is the Versailles of American publishing: It's been home to Joan Didion, Tom Wolfe, Philip Roth, Susan Sontag and Jonathan Franzen. But every palace has its intrigue, as Kachka shows us in this lively, witty account of the financial struggles and fragile egos that stalked FSG as it pursued literary greatness. The extramarital (and often intramural) affairs conducted by publisher Roger Straus in the 1960s and '70s were legendary — his wife called the company a "sexual sewer" — but the entire office apparently would have made Don Draper blush. Kachka dishes up these cold cases piping hot, but his research reveals an equally fascinating business story: How do you balance fine art and filthy lucre? (Aug. 6) — Mark Athitakis
The Son by Philipp Meyer
Stretching from pre-Civil War cowboys to post-9/11 immigrants, this follow-up to Meyer's American Rust is a Great American Novel of the type John Dos Passos once wrote. The first part is a spectacular captivity narrative about a white boy adopted into the Comanche band that killed his family. The second follows the long shadow of an act of shocking violence against a Mexican family. The third brings us into the present day as lived by one of the world's wealthiest women. This 200-year cycle of theft and murder shreds any golden myths we may cherish of civilized advancement. It's also historical fiction at its most stirring. — Ron Charles
Next page: More page-turners for summer reading. »

subset: commoncrawl


text:
News & infos
Discover the latest news about the Motor Show 2015 !
Free tickets for the 2015 Brussels Motor Show
1 Décember 2014
We receive a lot of mails and phone calls asking whether we hand out free entrance tickets for the Motor Show. As a non-profit organization FEBIAC does not give away free tickets because we organize the Brussels Motor Show for our members (the brands) and the ticket selling allows us to guarantee the proper functioning of FEBIAC and the organization of future Shows.
Nevertheless, we give you some advice to get free tickets* :
- Visit your newsagent, because in the edition of January of the magazines Moniteur de l'Automobile, Autogids and Autowereld (available end December) you will recieve a free ticket for the nocturne of 19 january 2015.
- Are you about to buy a new car? Then go to your car dealer, it is very likely that you will receive a free access ticket in order to discover the models on their stand.
- Become a fan of our Facebook page and/or follow us on Twitter and may be you will win a free ticket in one of our contests on Twitter.
- Surf on the websites of our media partners and participate to the different proposed competitions, maybe you will get lucky and win your free ticket*.
And if you do not manage to get free tickets, you can still order your ticket via our e-shop, this will prevent you from queuing at the pay desk.
* FEBIAC isn't responsible for the promotional actions of the partners. Please consult the website of the partner concerning the details of the competition.
** Untill end of stock.


text:
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets® Chicken & Green Pea Canned Formula follows our special grain-free diet that provides high quality nutrition for your cat. Our Limited Ingredient Diets formula uses a limited number of protein and carbohydrate sources.
Complete and balanced nutrition for all breeds and life stages from kittens to adults.
Simple Formulas. Simple Ingredients.Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets® contain a single source animal protein and limited carbohydrate sources. They're complete and balanced for all life stages. Limited Ingredient Diets® provide choices to the pet parent to minimize the number of ingredients their pets are exposed to. This can be helpful for pet parents looking for simple formulas with simple ingredients.Natural Balance® Chicken & Green Pea Canned Formula contains a premium quality protein source not commonly used in pet foods, and a premium quality carbohydrate. This unique blend assures a high digestibility and contains all of the nutrients, vitamins and minerals necessary for your cat. We do not use grains such as wheat, barley, rice or corn.
Scientifically formulated to provide high quality nutrition and optimize your cat's skin and coat, L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets® are complete and balanced options for all breeds and life stages.
All Natural Balance Pet Foods have been developed by veterinarians and animal nutritionists.
No Artificial Flavors or Colors.
Formulated to complement our Green Pea & Chicken Dry Formula for a complete grain-free diet!
Kittens should be fed free choice, or 3 times a day as much as they want, to promote healthy growth and adequate weight gain. Food intake requirement may vary depending on age, activity, and environment, and should be adjusted accordingly.We recommend that you do not add vitamins, minerals or any other supplements, except upon the advice of a veterinarian. The maintenance of proper body weight is most important for your cat's health. Consult your veterinarian for specific weight recommendations for your cat. Remember, fresh clean water should be available at all times!
Adult Cats: Feed One 5.5 oz. Can (or two 3oz. Cans) Daily per 8 lbs. body weight.
Pregnant Queens: Feed 1.25 Can (or 2.5 3oz. Cans) Daily per 8 lbs. body weight.
Lactating Queens: Feed up to 3 Cans (or six 3oz. Cans) Daily per 8 lbs. body weight.
Older Cats: A reduction in food intake is recommended for less active and older cats.
Note: Feeding amounts are intended as guidelines only. The food intake should be adjusted according to the age, weight and activity of your cat. It is important for your cat's health to maintain a proper body weight. Consult a veterinarian for specific weight recommendations.
• Serve at room temperature. • Any unused portion should be covered and refrigerated. • Fresh water should be available at all times.
When switching your cat's diet, the change should be made gradually, by replacing the current food with increasing portions of Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets® Canned Cat Food. The change should be completed after 5 to 7 days.The food intake should be adjusted according to the age, weight and activity of your cat. It is important for your cat's health to maintain a proper body weight. Consult a veterinarian for specific weight recommendations.
Chicken, Chicken Broth, Chicken Liver, Ground Peas, Pea Protein, Chicken Meal, Natural Flavor, Dicalcium Phosphate, Salmon Oil, Guar Gum, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement), Cranberries, Calcium Carbonate, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Zinc Sulfate, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate, Copper Sulfate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), Taurine, Salt, Potassium Chloride, Carrageenan, Flaxseed Meal, Yucca Schidigera Extract.
Guaranteed Analysis
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets® Chicken & Green Pea Canned Formula is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO cat food nutrient profiles for all life stages.
Calorie Content (calculated):ME = 1310 kcal/kg; 110 kcal/3 oz can
ME = 1070 kcal/kg; 165 kcal/5.5 oz can
Note: The calories can vary slightly over time due to naturally occurring variation in ingredients, processing and analyses.
We only started to be more conscious of our two kitties heath when our older one, Elvira B, got mysteriously and seriously sick. The vet was stumped...
[Read More]


text:
|Attention: Your financial support is crucial for FaithWriters. PLEASE UPGRADE HERE so we can continue providing tools to improve Christian writers and spread the gospel in over 230 countries.
Translate this forum into over 50 languages using the translator at the top right of this page.
Moderators: mikeedwards, glorybee
Cinnamon Bear wrote:Now to respond to Jan's post.
Hmm...I'm not as well read as some of you. As everyone knows biologists never read anything. Or if they do actually read something it is probably not worth reading.
That said, I think I can at least take a stab at Little House On the Prairie. In my view the antagonists were:
1) Mrs. Oleson and Nellie
2) Bad weather and other natural disasters such as fires
3) Medical and safety issues: Infectious disease, complications from injuries
4) Laura's envy of Mary--that is before Mary became blind.
Some more antagonists in LHOP maybe?
The Bear
Cinnamon Bear wrote:M
So I chose two entries that do feature antagonists. But who or what is the antagonist is not immediately obvious.
"Teen Town"
My one and only E.C.
and the much more recent "Santa Fe Journey":
Who or what are the antagonists in these entries? (Red Ink welcome)
Cinnamon Bear
swfdoc1 wrote:Several times I've used some pretty dark characters for my antagonist. But other times, my dark character is the PROTAGONIST. And sometimes they are BOTH dark. Here are some of those plus a few other interesting antagonists (including in one case, God!).
At least one of these has some glaring typos—sorry.
If this is overkill, I'd just read the first 2.
Rain Drop
The Black Book
The Difference
The Hound of Heaven Runs into a Bar (also posted recently for a different lesson).
Collision Course Day
WriterFearNot wrote:Okay, here's one with a flat antagonist: http://www.faithwriters.com/wc-article-level4-previous.php?id=44721 This antagonist is mean just to be mean because, well...he's the devil's advocate. Reading this piece now, I can see how flat he is! In this case, how would you suggest I give him more dimension?
And here's one with a more interesting antagonist: http://www.faithwriters.com/wc-article-level4-previous.php?id=42762 In this one, the antagonist is "Logic" and to me, seems to have a lot more dimension than the devil's advocate above.
Then again, logic always did have more dimension than the devil's advocate...ba-dum-cha!
Return to Jan's Writing Basics
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest
Home |
My Account |
What's New |
Site Map |
Contact Us |
Monthly Newsletter | SITE INFO | Link To Us | Become A Member | ADVERTISING


text:
Program Menu
FAQs - Radiologic Sciences Online Programs
How long will it take me to complete the degree?
That depends on the number of classes you are able to take each semester and the amount of college credit you have already received. Because you are allowed to work at your own pace, you may take as little as one course per semester or as many as five courses each term.
Are all the classes offered online?
The science sequence core requirement in AREA D is not available online through Armstrong but may be completed at a regionally accredited institution in your area or online through Georgia eCore. This is true for all tracks. Moreover if you hold both primary and secondary certifications, then it is possible to complete all requirements online for the clinical track and the non-clinical track. If you hold only a primary certification, all but the two clinical education courses in the clinical track are offered online. All but five of the management track courses are offered online.
Will I be able to complete the degree at my own pace?
Yes, as flexible time frames for starting and completing the degree are available.
Is the program accredited?
Yes, Regional accreditation is through the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools.
Will I be given college credit for my certification?
Yes. Upon completion of 80 semester hours towards the degree, you will be awarded equivalency credit hours in the major. The amount of credit will be based on your academic record and professional portfolio but usually amounts to thirty-three semester hours.
|Credits Required
Tuition per credit hour
(not including fees)
|Financial Aid


text:
Hang tight!
Recipe by KSUDA
"Yummy dish that is super fast to put together. My husband loves this dish! This is great with a tossed salad! Enjoy!"
Hmm. None of these ingredients are on sale today.
Show ingredients on sale
Sort stores by
Save money at local stores when ingredients are on sale!
Watch video tips and tricks
1 pound
Italian sausage, cut into 1/2 inch pieces
green bell peppers, chopped
8 ounces
farfalle pasta
1/2 cup
beef broth
1/4 teaspoon
ground black pepper
WOW! The first time I tried this recipe I thought it was way too simple to be a 5-star recipe, but boy, was I wrong! DELICIOUS and SO QUICK! It is a welcomed change from pastas with tomatoes and/or red sauce. UPDATE 1/03/09 -- I've made this recipe SO many times now; it's a favorite with hubby and all three kids. They actually get excited when I tell them we're having this for dinner. Here's how I've come to modify this recipe: I use half hot Italian and half sweet Italian sausage with casings removed (about 4 links each); I fry this in a little olive oil until browned, then add sliced onion and both red and green peppers for color; I continue cooking until sausage is done and veggies are tender; then I add one full can of College Inn beef broth plus 1-2 T beef base, plus 2/3 lb. cooked pasta (we like Cavatelli and bow ties), and also add a sprinkling of crushed red pepper flakes, about 1 tsp. black pepper and salt to taste. TIP: For lots of flavor, DON'T drain the sausage. Sure, it's not good for your hips or heart, but boy does it kick this up! After making this dozens of times, I really think this is key to great flavor. Afterall, if you're serving sausage for dinner, you're really not expecting a healthy meal, right? LOL
As is, just Boring. I don't rate recipes if I have to change them. If I feel the recipe needs to be changed, I would submit a new recipe of my own.
342 Ratings
Love this recipe with a few minor tweaks: 1 can of diced tgomatoes, one yellow and one red bell pepper which makes it sweeter, 1 tsp. garlic powder, 1/2 tsp. ground rosemary, 1/2 tsp. oregano, 1 small yellow onion, chopped. Sweat the onion with the spices BEFORE adding peppers, tomatoes and sausage. Let simmer for 15 minutes and then add the beef broth. Let simmer for another 15 minutes, toss with pasta, and enjoy. It is FABULOUSLY flavorful this way, especially with fresh grated parmesan on top!
I was intrigued by the simplicity of this recipe and also by the rich beef flavor from the sauce. My husband is not too fond of tomatoes or tomato sauces, so this was an ideal alternative. It was quick and delicious.
I modified the recipe by using only a half a pound of sweet italian sausage, freeing the meat from its casing and cooking it loose. I also added a half a pound of sliced mushrooms to the bellpeppers, which really added a mellow taste and added flavor to the beefiness of the broth. I added a little bit more beef broth than the recipe called for, and really let it soak into the pasta. At the end I added a small dollop of butter to smooth out the sauce, although this of course adds a little fat to an otherwise fairly lean recipe. Just a light dusting of Hungarian paprika and Lawry's seasoning salt also added a bit of flavor, but I would venture this would be unnecessary if the beef broth used was salty to begin with.
I think this recipe could even be a great noodle dish using just vegetables, broth, and farfalle.
The sauce was great!
Sausage and peppers, or sausage and peppers with pasta? – nothing new to me. Adding beef broth to the mix? Never have. I don't know if that's what was responsible or not, or if I just plain love pasta, sausage and peppers, but this – was – excellent. Used rigatoni rather than farfalle and, unlike other reviewers, did NOT use the grease rendered by the sausage. Rather, I removed the cooked sausage from the pan, cleaned it out, then cooked green and red peppers, onions, garlic and mushrooms in olive oil before returning the cooked sausage to the pan, adding the beef broth, then reducing somewhat. Tossed it all together with a good dab of butter. A sprinkling of freshly grated Parmigiano-Reggiano was the finishing touch.
My family loved this recipe. I used a package of Johnsonville Hot Italian Sausage which is slightly over 1 pound. I crumbled it up and added minced garlic to taste. I boiled a 12 oz. box of bowtie pasta and used 1 can of Campbell's Beef Broth in the sausage mixture. I omitted salt because the beef broth had enough salt in it. I didn't have peppers so I used 1 cup of canned peas. I will make this again and prepare it as written and I also want to try this with a jar of roasted red peppers or a bag of frozen stirfry peppers and onions (cook them separate from the sausage to carmelize, then add to the sausage.) This recipe has many possibitlites. Because I used 12 oz. of pasta, it was necessary to use the entire can of beef broth and each bowtie was covered with the sauce and it was not runny. I served this with fresh grated parm cheese on top, french bread and a salad.
Great and easy recipe. I double the amount of beef broth, and add fresh sliced mushrooms. Instead of 2 green bell peppers, I use 1 red, 1 orange, and 1 yellow bell pepper. This makes the dish more colorful and less bitter - the green bell peppers taste bitter to me.
I made this for a class project almost 2 years ago and liked it so much I continue to make it. I buy the frozen peppers from Trader Joe's (they are red, yellow and green already sliced so this saves lots of time)It makes great left overs as well! Thanks for the recipe!
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
Bow Tie Pasta with Sausage and Sweet Peppers
Serving Size: 1/4 of a recipe
Servings Per Recipe: 4
Amount Per Serving
Calories: 489
Calories from Fat: 206
We have so many top-rated chicken recipes, you'll never run out of dinner ideas again.
Imagine dinner making itself in the slow cooker while you relax or do other things.
Delicious recipes, party ideas, and cooking tips! Get a year of Allrecipes magazine for $7.99!
See how to make chicken with vegetables in a creamy cheese sauce.
The perfect, satisfying pasta dish for busy weeknights.
Sautéed onions and peppers are tossed with penne pasta, fresh basil, and cheese.


text:
Sebastian Vettel believes the title is within his reach after clinching pole at the Abu Dhabi Formula One Grand Prix.
Vettel headed McLaren's Lewis Hamilton with the quickest time of one minute 39.394 seconds, but more importantly topped championship leader Fernando Alonso who qualified in third (1:39.425), while Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber (1:39.925) was a disappointing fifth.
The 23-year-old German trails Alonso in the drivers' standings by 15 points while Webber is in second, eight points behind.
A win for either would give Red Bull a fighting chance at the title but a first or second-placed finish for Alonso would seal the title for Ferrari.
Having won the event last season, a beaming Vettel was full of confidence after his sizzling qualifying time.
"Obviously, we start from pole. It couldn't be better," Vettel said.
"At the practice, we didn't look too good but we went out last and we did it. It was a very good job by everyone, the whole team."
Hamilton is the last of the title contenders, 24 points behind Alonso, but almost everything must go his way to win it.
"Today is a much better start of the weekend for us," Hamilton said after qualifying.
"The team did some great things improving the car. A good feeling. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain."
With the win worth 25 points, Alonso can finish as low as third or fourth if Webber doesn't win the race. He can also win by finishing out of the points as long as Webber doesn't finish in the top five, Vettel is third or lower and Hamilton fails to win.
Webber can win his first F1 title by leading a Red Bull 1-2. But with teams banned from giving "team orders" - telling drivers to let their teammates pass - it may come down to Vettel voluntarily letting Webber through if the team is to add a drivers' championship to the constructors' title it has already won.
But Webber's fifth-place position dents his dream of becoming the first Australian world champion since Alan Jones in 1980.
To win the title, Vettel needs to win and hope Alonso is outside the top four. If Vettel is second, both Webber and Alonso need to finish low enough to allow the German to remain at the top.


text:
Interpretive Handbook
9066 :
Coagulation Factor X Activity Assay, Plasma
Clinical Information Discusses physiology, pathophysiology, and general clinical aspects, as they relate to a laboratory test
Factor X is a vitamin K-dependent serine protease that is synthesized in the liver. Its biological half-life is 24 to 48 hours. Factor X participates in both intrinsic and extrinsic pathways of coagulation (final common pathway) by serving as the enzyme (factor Xa) in the prothrombinase complex.
Congenital factor X deficiency is rare. Acquired deficiency associated with liver disease, warfarin therapy, vitamin K deficiency, systemic amyloidosis and inhibitors (rare). Deficiency may cause prolonged prothrombin time and activated partial thromboplastin time.
Useful For Suggests clinical disorders or settings where the test may be helpful
Diagnosing deficiency of coagulation factor X, congenital or acquired
Evaluating hemostatic function in liver disease
Investigation of prolonged prothrombin time or activated partial thromboplastin time
Interpretation Provides information to assist in interpretation of the test results
Acquired deficiency more common than congenital
Homozygotes: <25%
Heterozygotes: 25% to 50%
Cautions Discusses conditions that may cause diagnostic confusion, including improper specimen collection and handling, inappropriate test selection, and interfering substances
Liver disease, warfarin therapy, or vitamin K deficiency may lower factor X levels.
Reference Values Describes reference intervals and additional information for interpretation of test results. May include intervals based on age and sex when appropriate. Intervals are Mayo-derived, unless otherwise designated. If an interpretive report is provided, the reference value field will state this.
Adults: 70-150%
Normal, full-term newborn infants or healthy premature infants may have decreased levels (> or =15-20%) which may not reach adult levels for > or =180 days postnatal.*
*See Pediatric Hemostasis References in Coagulation Studies in Special Instructions.
Clinical References Provides recommendations for further in-depth reading of a clinical nature
1. Girolami A, Scandellari R, Scapin M, Vettore S: Congenital bleeding disorders of the vitamin K-dependent clotting factors. Vitam Horm 2008;78:281-374
2. Brenner B, Kuperman AA, Watzka M, Oldenburg J: Vitamin K-dependent coagulation factors deficiency. Semin Thromb Hemost 2009 Jun;35(4):439-446
3. Menegatti M, Peyvandi F: Factor X deficiency. Semin Thromb Hemost 2009 Jun;35(4):407-415
4. Girolami A, Ruzzon E, Tezza F, et al: Congenital FX deficiency combined with other clotting defects or with other abnormalities: a critical evaluation of the literature. Haemophilia 2008;14(2):323-328
5. Girolami A, Scarparo P, Scandellari R, Allemand E: Congenital factor X deficiencies with a defect only or predominantly in the extrinsic or in the intrinsic system: a critical evaluation. Am J Hematol 2008;83(8):668-671


text:
Zoku® Character Tool Kit
Bring your Zoku® Quick Pops™ to life!
Express yourself in icy splendor with this kit of stencils, instructions and tools. Freeze your own unique character pops fast with the Zoku® Character Tool Kit. Create animals, faces and fun characters of your own design, or follow Zoku's designs in the included instruction booklet. The creative possibilities are endless!
Never before have pops been so much fun or easy to make!
The kit includes 14 stencils, 1 faceplate, 1 stand for holding the pop maker steady, a pusher tool for removing fruit slices from the stencils, instructions and sample character designs to get you started. The 17-piece kit also includes a convenient storage case to keep things organized. All pieces are BPA- and phthalate-free. Works with the original Zoku Quick Pop Maker (Item # 672667).
Create your own frozen Quick Pop pals with the Zoku Character Tool Kit. Order from Brookstone today!
Zoku® Character Tool Kit
Zoku® Character Tool Kit
Brookstone-branded products are backed by a one-year limited warranty. Some massage chairs are backed by a two-year limited warranty (see massage chair product pages for details).
Shopping Cart


text:
High Decorative X Privacy Panel Kit
Stylish privacy for your 12' x 12' Pergola.
Turn your backyard into a private getaway. Created as an addition to the 12' x 12' Flat Roof Pergola Kit (sold separately), the High Decorative 'X' Privacy Panel Kit is designed to fit in any of the open spaces of the Pergola and includes 4 privacy walls.
This particular style of Privacy Panel is made with Yardistry's distinctively styled 'X' panel. The Privacy Panel Kit, like all Yardistry projects, is manufactured from exterior grade cedar (Cunninghamia Lanceolata). Comes as a ready to assemble kit. The factory applied stain provides additional protection and coats the Privacy Panel Kit in a rich shade of warm grey. Estimated Assembly Time: 20 minutes.
Dimensions: 78.5" L x 2" W x 77.75" H
Weight: 55 lbs.
High Decorative X Privacy Panel Kit
You May Also Like
Shopping Cart


text:
How many of you have that one ornament that no matter how tattered or ugly, has to be displayed or it just isn't christmas?
Here's mine. He is one a pair made in the 50's and in real life they don't scowl at you...only in photos.
...and those 'candles' look a lot like billy-clubs...


text:
Is there a way to have contact groups in this phone? I know it is possible on other phones, but this one does not give you the ability to make them.
Take the 2-minute tour ×
Android Enthusiasts Stack Exchange is a question and answer site for enthusiasts and power users of the Android operating system. It's 100% free, no registration required.
Android 4.x supports contact groups. This is the only way I've found till now.


text:
'G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero Annual' #1 Explores Life in the Crimson Guard [Preview]
Before the world was trained to think of faceless armies of armored bad guys as expendable clones (thanks a lot, Star Wars prequels!), the throngs of fandom were content to watch their favorite heroes lay waste to scores of thugs they just assumed were the grown up versions of the bullies nobody liked in high school. Leave i


text:
Just Me Paris Hilton Perfume & Cologne
Refine Your Selection
- Your Selections:
Paris Hilton
Just Me Paris Hilton
by Paris Hilton
for men
4 sizes availableOn sale now
by Paris Hilton
for women
2 sizes availableOn sale now
by Paris Hilton
for men
1 size available66% OFF
by Paris Hilton
for women
1 size available65% OFF
Reviews (56)
1 - 5 (of 56 Reviews)
Paris Hilton Just Me is one of the best kept secrets of the colognes it smell amazing men and women always ask me what do you have on.I buy this two bottle at a time and for the price you can't beat it . It's a must have , get this one you want regret it , but when you first put it on you might not like but once it settling in its amazing
Written by AJ on August 31, 2013Read Review details ►
"Borrowed" this Paris Hilton scent from my daughter & have been ordering it for myself for years. Compliments abound when I wear this sweet yet clean scent. It even covers smell when I smoke without overpowering. Just Me is not just for me or my age group! Love it!
Written by Product Junkie on August 20, 2013Read Review details ►
Just Me for Men by Paris Hilton. A lot of comparisons to Aqua di Gio, and as a more inexpensive alternative it's not bad for the price. Somewhat strong alcohol smell in opening, once dried down it's smoother. Lasts 3-5 hours on me. On the feminine side given the black currant, lotus and incense, so if that's not your thing I'd steer clear. I however like feminine ones and as a blind buy I'm satisfied with the scent for a casual every day kind of wear given the price point. I'd say mature high schooler or above ccould wear, just not below that as it seems just a tad too warm/mature for guys younger than that. 24 year old college guy here by the way.
Written by Roberto D. on July 10, 2013Read Review details ►
Ok, I have to be honest. This perfume smells exactly like Miracle by Lancome with a little bit of Pleasures by Estee Lauder. It's a beautiful scent blend and the price is outstanding. I felt it to be a little more subtle than the other fragrances it reminds me of and it lasts awhile. I have yet to have a bad experience with Paris Hilton's perfumes, even if they are not scents I prefer to wear.
Written by Michelle G on February 07, 2013Read Review details ►
I love the mens bodywash wish it came in a bigger bottle And the Mens cologne tops it off I get compliments all day on it
Written by Derick H. of Hazel Park Mi. on October 10, 2012Read Review details ►
1 - 5 (of 56 Reviews)


text:
|Baseball » News » Schedule » Roster » Coaches » Statistics
Buccaneer Baseball wins Southern Conference opener, defeating #25 UNCG, 8-1
Friday, March 07, 2003GREENSBORO, N.C. (Mar. 7, 2003) - Buccaneer sophomore outfielder Kevin Brotherton (Erwin, Tenn.) went 2-for-4 with three RBI and freshman third baseman Shane Byrne (Johnson City, Tenn.) went 2-for-4 with two runs scored and two RBI to lead ETSU past UNCG, 8-1, in the Southern Conference opener for both teams Friday night at UNCG Baseball Stadium in Greensboro, N.C. The loss snapped the Spartans' school-record 12-game winning streak. The Bucs jumped out to an early 1-0 lead in the top of the second inning. sophomore catcher Caleb Moore (Knoxville, Tenn.) reached second base after Kirk Strebin dropped a fly ball. After junior outfielder Bo Calloway's (Knoxville, Tenn.) sacrifice bunt, sophomore designated hitter Davis Burklin (Knoxville, Tenn.) grounded out to the right side, scoring Moore. ETSU would add two runs in the fifth inning. Byrne led off the fifth with a single and moved to second following sophomore shortstop Justin Clear's (LaFollette, Tenn.) sacrifice bunt. After junior outfielder Tim Turner (Marietta, Ga.) flied out, moving Byrne to third, Brotherton singled home Byrne. Brotherton then stole second and scored on junior second baseman Andy Howdeshell's (Maryville, Tenn.) RBI triple to the left centerfield gap giving the Bucs a three-run cushion. ETSU added four more in the sixth inning to put the game out of reach. Byrne and Brotherton each added two-run singles in the inning. Bucs' junior starter Josh Kite (Greeneville, Tenn.) (2-2) made the lead stand and kept UNCG off the scoreboard for 5.1 innings. The Spartans did manage five hits and also benefited from five walks, but UNCG stranded 12 on the day, including 10 in the first six innings. The Spartans would strand 12 on the night. Senior reliever Jarrod Hyder (Elizabethton, Tenn.) tossed the final 3.2 innings and registered his second save of the season. Hyder allowed just a pair of hits and one unearned run. UNCG's Scooter Michael (3-1) was charged with the loss. Michael went 5.0 innings, struckout four and walked one. The All-American gave up five hits and three runs, two of which were earned. Prior to the two earned runs in the fourth inning, Michael had not yielded an earned run against ETSU in 13-innings of work. The right-hander tossed a four-hit shutout in a 2002 SoCon Tournament victory over ETSU last season. Spartan Jarrett Santos had his first poor outing of the season. Santos went just 1.0 inning and was charged with four earned runs on four hits. Patrick Currin tossed 0.1 innings and was charged with an earned run, before Jonathan Nichols tossed 2.2 scoreless innings. Nichols fanned six along the way. Moore chipped in with three hits for ETSU. The catcher also scored a pair of runs. Justin Saltalamacchia was the lone Spartans with more than one hit. Saltalamacchia went 3-for-5. The Bucs and the Spartans return to action Saturday afternoon for the second-game of the three-game series. First-pitch at UNCG Baseball Stadium in Greensboro, N.C. is scheduled for 1 p.m.
Baseball Archives
2002-03 Baseball