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May 26, 2004, 08:22:49 PM »
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I think I understand that the 1D and 1DS are "pro" cameras (I have the 1D, 1DS, 1D Mark II, 10D, D30, DCS-760, Kodak Pro back and a couple dozen fixed lens digicams),
Keeping the thread on track, I'd be interested to know just how great is the time interval between one shot and the next on the Mark ll in continuous mode. Clearly, you can't have 8 frames per second if each exposure is 1/8th sec or greater. There has to be some shutter speed threshold below which the camera gives less than 8 frames per second, perhaps 1/15th or 1/20th. Is this a known (or advertised) specification?
As regards autobracketing for the purpose of increasing dynamic range, the 1D Mark ll would appear to have an advantage over any other camera. Those 3 bracketed shots would likely occur within less than 1/2 sec. in reasonable lighting, and the 2 consecutive shots (underexposed and overexposed) in possibly less than1/3rd sec. This means that much of the time a tripod would not be required for this technique of blending images.[/font]
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May 26, 2004, 09:10:27 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']It "appears" to simply slow to the rate you have set manually and keep chugging.[/font]
[font color=\'#000000\']Lin,
You mean in continuous mode there's a variable speed setting up to a maximum of 8 frames/sec?[/font]
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May 29, 2004, 03:42:22 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Isn't the double frame trick essentially what Fuji does with one of their new sensors? I think it's the SR that has two sets of pixels, one of which is much less sensitive than the other (tucked in the spaces between the bigger pixels). They actually work during the same exposure if I understand it correctly. Of course, you lose some resolution by doing this (you don't cut it in half, because the low sensitivity pixels are much smaller, but you DO lose 30% or so). Highlights record on the small, low sensitivity pixels, while shadows are on the larger, higher sensitivity ones. I think this is what the S3 is supposed to do. I don't know about the noise implications, because the highlights are effectively being captured with digicam sized pixels, but the small pixels are using a VERY low iso (operating two-three stops down from main exposure), and capturing highlights, not noisier shadows.
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May 29, 2004, 04:29:16 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']That's essentially the way I've understood it from the rather non-technical explanations I've read.
Fuji has pioneered several interesting features on their consumer cameras and "field tested" the public acceptance before making them available in their dSLR's.
I'm still trying to understand the process they use for multiple exposures. Logic would dictate that they save each frame to a buffer and then combine them in firmware before writing to the media, but I sincerely don't believe that's how its done. The Fuji manual for the S7000, for example, says there is "no limit" to the number of multiple exposures one can make. This seems more like they are simply letting the electron charges spill over after an exposure sort of like filling buckets of water from a waterfall and only flushing the cells after the user selects the option to write the file to the media. The trick would be how they avoid the problems of adjacent sensor current bleed (blooming) but I really haven't a clue how it's done. I know that with the very high costs of buffer RAM, I can't see how they could afford to have enough to provide "unlimited" exposures when even a 1 gigabyte card can't provide that.[/font]
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June 01, 2004, 12:14:10 AM »
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for such a system to be worthwhile, you might need to time the relative fill-up rate of, say 3 megapixels within 1/4000th of a second, not to mention the time it takes to apply an algorithm to the different rates.
Look, I said we should leave the little trivia to the engineers, and us idea geniuses can focus on the occasional brilliant basic concept and cashing our royalty checks.
Same thing applies to dealing with LCD transparency levels and the presently way too slow LCD response times and present total impossibility of making an LCD grid anywhere near that dense. Just let the engineers take care of those details. That's what engineers are for. They don't have time for great breakthough ideas; I don't have time for trivia. It all works out.[/font]
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May 31, 2004, 10:25:14 AM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Interesting idea. I must admit I sometimes like to wander off into science fiction speculation as to what might be possible as processing power increases, and that's what it all boils down to - how fast can the calculations be done.
I'm not qualified to even guess if it would be practical to construct an image based upon the time it takes for individual photosites to 'fill up', but in principle it seems feasible, given enough power. The question is, could a device capable of measuring time in billionths of a second be incorporated into a small camera?[/font]
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May 31, 2004, 10:42:50 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Put an LCD element in front of each CCD sensor element. Each LCD element can be controlled to be totally transparent or quite dark. [/font]
[font color=\'#000000\']My objection to this idea would be - nothing's totally transparent, not even a Zeiss 21mm lens
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May 22, 2004, 12:55:20 PM »
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Are there any disadvantages to the Mark II over the 1Ds? I know that you can't go above a f/5.6 on the 10D, how about the Mark II?
First, in my perhaps-uninformed opinion, the 2 disadvantages of the 1D2 compared with the 1Ds is the former has a smaller sensor and is lower resolution. Of course if you shoot with long lenses a lot, the former is an advantage. But a 1D2 would make my 28mm lens have the same angle of view as a 36mm lens on a full-frame camera (almost no longer a wide angle) while a 10D would make it same as a 45mm lens on a full-frame camera, about the same as a 'standard-length' lens.
To offset the lower resolution, the 1D2 apparently has lower noise than the 1Ds.
What does 'can't go above a f/5.6 on the 10D' mean? (And do you mean smaller or larger aperture?) All the Canon digitals have no restrictions on use of apertures.[/font]
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May 25, 2004, 01:39:44 PM »
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Canon has measured the 1DS at greater than 8 and less than 9 stops of dynamic range
I'm surprised to read that.
If I point a 1Ds and a long lens at a grey card or a small patch of evenly lit blue sky it shows up as a narrow band on the histogram. If I then dial in both plus and minus compensation, and re-shoot until that narrow band hits both ends of the histogram scale, it results in a latitude range of less than seven stops. That seems to me a practical test of useable latitude, and it fits with my real world 1Ds experience.
Interestingly the width of that histogram band isn't uniform across the range, which maybe suggests the Canon firmware is applying an exposure curve. But even so I struggle to believe there's eight to nine stops of latitude. I'm sure Canon wouldn't deliberately mislead, however perhaps the additional latitude that they measure is buried so deep in the noisy shadows that it's of little practical use?[/font]
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May 25, 2004, 08:05:56 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Two separate exposures later combined or two frames as a "double" exposure without dumping the first before the second occurs with the "combine" operation occuring in firmware would essentially be the same.[/font]
[font color=\'#000000\']Lin,
As I understand it, the electric charge in each individual photodetector has to be 'dumped' or cleared before the next exposure can occur. What you seem to be saying is that within one exposure and one press of the shutter button, there can occur two electronic exposures. This might be an advantage speed wise. With autobracketing there's probably an additional delay between one shot and the next. But essentially, it's the same process of blending 2 images with different exposures. Providing the camera with 'blending' technology could be a time saver, but the software would have to be [/I]very
Lin Evans
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May 26, 2004, 12:22:22 AM »
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I figure to always go out with a tripod and to do bracketed shots if I have the slightest doubt. Blending in Photoshop is quick and easy and bomb-proof with the $20 Miranda plug.
But bracketing with multiple exposures and blending the exposures must, by default, mean that the sensor has the latitude of "holding" the full dynamic range you are able to achieve with the blend of two or more exposures.
The point we are discussing concerns theoretical ways of doing exactly what you achieve with the PhotoShop action with a single press of the shutter rather than multiple presses. Also, it would elilminate the absolute necessity of using a tripod and the care necessary in seeing that there is no mirror slap or even the slightest movement of the camera to avoid even minute motion blur.[/font]
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Reply #31 on:
May 26, 2004, 01:34:45 AM »
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The point we are discussing concerns theoretical ways of doing exactly what you achieve with the PhotoShop action with a single press of the shutter rather than multiple presses.
But the biggest question about that is what it has to do with the original intent of the thread?
Alain Briot's latest addition to the
Aesthetics and Photography
Determining The Best Exposure
goes into determinging a film/sensors DR. Anyone curious how their camera stacks up can try that. I havn't tried it with my 300D, but in experience it seems there is around 5 stops of light with an extra stop of info at either end of the histogram (when in RAW).
audibeara6, as to your question and asuming, based off the fact that your here, you will be doing nature photography:
The 1Ds obviously has the advantage in resolution and the fact that it's full-frame wich comes in handy for wide angle lenses.
The 1D MkII has a 1.3 crop so corner sharpness/etc isn't a great concern with that camera. It also helps with zooms if that's your thing. The 1DMkII is much faster. Not a great concern when shooting a mountain, but can be a very nice thing when shooting birds and animals or that UFO that just sucked up your photo assistant. From what I've read and seen of samples, it also is the best camera at high ISO shooting with the least amount of noise I've seen in a digicam (agian helpfull for that UFO since they usually come at night).
There's been alot of squaking at the DPreview forums of the 1DMkII being soft. It uses a stronger AA filter but with some strong sharpening you can pull the
detail back out
I don't know what the smallest aperture AF will work at on either camera but the 10D is f/8.[/font]
Lin Evans
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Reply #32 on:
May 26, 2004, 11:24:10 AM »
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In any case 1d and 1ds are both pro cameras and fortunately not burdened with a kluge like automatic in camera double exposure and blending.
I think I understand that the 1D and 1DS are "pro" cameras (I have the 1D, 1DS, 1D Mark II, 10D, D30, DCS-760, Kodak Pro back and a couple dozen fixed lens digicams), I make my living with the pro models and collecting and experimenting with digicams is a long standing hobby. The process may be "kluge" to you, but anything which improves my ability to get a better image is important to me.
I'm sorry if I have confused you. I'm using the Fuji and Hewlett-Packard models as examples only because they happen to have the features and are convenient to discuss. The theoretical use model I'm presenting is intended for the pro sensor. The pro sensor does indeed have the capacity to "hold" the full dynamic range - you're not fully understanding the process here or we have a different understanding of the term "hold". Whether this type feature is desirable or not is a marketing issue. I like the idea and apparently you don't and that's fine - that's why there are features on cameras which I don't care for and features which you don't care for - there is no perfect solution to everyone's satisfaction.
As for your concerns with camera shake etc., and the speed of the capture, that's an engineering issue and not of any serious importance. I can hand hold and get perfectly focused images at 1/30th second and even slower with my better stabilized lenses. For landscape work This is more than ample time for processing.
It's obvious that you have no interest in this theoretical approach and see no utility in it and you've made that perfectly clear. I do see promise in it and I've made that perfectly clear and since the thread has migrated far from the original question and the tone is changing from a sharing of ideas and potential to argumentative, I'll stop here.
Lin Evans
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May 26, 2004, 10:05:20 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']No, if you are in manual mode and set the shutter speed lower than the selected burst speed, such as 8 frames per second, it seems to simply use the speed you have set. It appears in that sense to work exactly like the 1D.[/font]
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May 31, 2004, 11:34:33 AM »
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The question is, could a device capable of measuring time in billionths of a second be incorporated into a small camera?
Faster and smaller go together; fast has to be small. As for billionth of a second, that's a pretty long electronic time interval nowadays. Consider that a $200 Sony Playstation 2 at about 7 gigaflops is 7 times faster than the first generation of $10 million+ Cray supercomputers. I wouldn't worry about speed being a bottle neck.
I had an equally crazy idea, but even more useful for a landscape photographer. Put an LCD element in front of each CCD sensor element. Each LCD element can be controlled to be totally transparent or quite dark. Do a test exposure with full transparency of all LCD elements. Then you can instruct your camera to darken the LCD elements where the test exposure CCD elements showed the most brightness. By controlling the selective darkening of bright areas, you could end up with exactly the final contrast you want, with no black shadows and no clipped highlights, all in a single final exposure. Only for tripod exposures, obviously. I suppose the test exposure and then adjusting the LCD pattern to exactly compensate for no highlight clipping before doing the real exposure could all be done automatically and fast enough so that you could do perfect contrast shots even without a tripod. High end cameras could have different LCD response curves for different latitude control effects and you could do something like autobracketing, but where the camera takes several quick shots with different latitude compensation algorithms. The key is the LCD grid, the rest is trivial software issues.
Let's patent both ideas, but the clever Japanese engineers can work out all the minor technical aspects and just send us frequent big royalty checks for the vital genius of the ideas.[/font]
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June 17, 2004, 09:56:57 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']I just received my new Canon 1D Mk2 as an upgrade from 1 yr old Canon 10D. I cannot speak for the 1Ds as I have never used one, but the 1D Mk2 is a truely amazing camera.
The high speed motor drive and buffer allows my to shoot Raw and not missing any action shots (mostly critters in the woods). The shutter is noiser than my 10D (which is the quietest SLR I've ever owned), but will all of the other features, this is not a complaint.
I've only had the 1D Mk2 for 2 days so I'm still reviewing the images and learning how to use all of the features of this marvelous camera. So far, the images are looking real fine. However, I can see that the various 1GB CF cards for my 10D get filled up much faster with the 1D Mk2's larger file size. It looks like I'll be ordering a couple of 2GB CF cards soon.
The real test is when I have a few nice shots to print to 13 x 19 on my Epson 2200 printer using Hahnemuhler papers. I'm looking forward to this.
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The BBC has always provoked strong reactions. Hopefully not as strong as those of some Gaza protestors. But the fevered newspaper stories and politicians' speeches confirm how central the Corporation is to British life. Ninety-six per cent of us watch or listen every week.
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"Nothing is more important than the BBC's independence," insists Caroline. "You absolutely can't let politicians of any hue tell you what to do.
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"Rupert Murdoch made a speech in which he lambasted Britain for having the BBC. James Murdoch said 'the only guarantor of independence is profit'. I think that looks a bit rich now."
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"The BBC can't stand still. We have said that we need to save 20 per cent, then we can have four per cent left to reinvest. It's very difficult in a world where we're all trying to cut costs not to upset anyone."
People were certainly upset by the prospect of cuts which would have slashed Radio Cumbria's weekend and evening coverage and cost nine jobs. After a vigorous campaign the plan was dropped.
"I think we got the local radio proposals slightly wrong," admits Caroline. "Because I see the Radio Cumbria people a bit and listen to it a lot, I perhaps clocked that quicker than other people did within the BBC. I was up here during the Whitehaven shootings. I know how important the staff were. We'd tried to protect local radio. But we hadn't protected it enough."
She cannot say if the reprieve will last. "We can't avoid cuts. If we're going to deliver 20 per cent savings, no area can be completely exempt.
"But we went a bit too far and the changes should be less. In particular we should be safeguarding journalism in the newsroom because that's where they're really delivering something that matters."
The cost of a TV licence is one area of debate. The bigger issue is whether the licence can survive in an internet age: a licence is not needed to watch programmes on BBC iPlayer.
Then there's the argument that the licence fee should not be paid by those whose TV is rarely tuned to BBC.
"The way Britain runs public services, people often pay for things they don't use. My son's no longer at school.
"But I'm happy to pay taxes to support an education system. We do aim to provide a service that will give something to everyone because we recognise it's a compulsory charge."
Caroline cannot guarantee that it will remain so. "We clearly have to look over the next four or five years at the future of a licence fee charged on the ownership of a television set. But I think the licence fee's probably got a bit more life in it than other people do."
How the BBC spends public money is coming under increasing scrutiny. A House of Commons report criticised the number of staff the Corporation sends to some sporting events.
Another controversial area is multi-million-pound contracts for presenters. Here the public-service BBC competes with commercial rivals.
"Some of our presenters and producers could go and work for ITV or Sky. Viewers want great presenters and they're few and far between. When we renegotiate contracts we try and get them for less."
Caroline's salary is £307,000. Since 2009 her remuneration has reduced by 16 per cent.
"We've cut the cost of senior management by 25 per cent and the numbers by 20 per cent. I think we got senior pay a bit wrong and we've had to bring it back into line.
"Having said that, the guy who runs iPlayer can earn eye-watering amounts of money. They work for us for a quarter of what they could earn at Microsoft or Google. But it's still a hell of a lot of money by anyone else's standards."
The level of scrutiny towards her salary and her every word will only increase if Caroline becomes the BBC's first female director general. At this stage she is not ruling herself in, or out, of the running.
"I shall decide when there's a vacancy," she says with a smile. "It's an enormous job. Mark Thompson [the current director general] once described it as like skateboarding downstairs holding a Ming vase.
"If you've been as close to it as I have, you find the prospect that you might do it a bit awesome. You stop and think, my goodness, this would be big. On the other hand it would be enormously exciting and very challenging. So, we shall see."
Caroline spends as much time in Cumbria as her job allows. She grew up in London and appreciates the slower pace of life here. She has been married for 27 years to Roger Liddle, a former adviser to Tony Blair. Roger grew up in Currock and was chairman of regeneration body Cumbria Vision until it closed last year.
The couple's son Andrew is at university. He and his dad are Carlisle United fans.
Caroline is a trustee at Tullie House Museum. Her spare time is spent walking, entertaining friends, and consuming the BBC.
She listens to Radio 3 and is a "news junkie" who also enjoys Outnumbered, Miranda and, especially, Sherlock. "It made me laugh as well as sit on the edge of my seat."
Her BBC career could be described in much the same way. A happier recollection than the death threats is Caroline's visit to Sierra Leone when she was deputy managing director of the World Service. People queued patiently for a chance to meet the lady from the BBC.
"It was like a mini version of being the Queen," she says. "The BBC mattered to them so much. It is an extraordinary level of responsibility."
First published at 14:11, Friday, 16 March 2012
Published by http://www.cumberlandnews.co.uk
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Launch Vehicle: Space Shuttle Atlantis (STS-34R)
Launch Site: Cape Canaveral, United States, launch complex 39B
NASA Center: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Spacecraft Mass: Orbiter: 2,223 kg Probe: 339 kg
Spacecraft Instruments: Orbiter: 1) imaging system; 2) near-infrared mapping spectrometer; 3) ultraviolet spectrometer; 4) photopolarimeter-radiometer; 5) magnetometer; 6) energetic-particles detector; 7) plasma detector; 8) plasma wave; 9) heavy ion counter and 10) radio system
Atmospheric entry probe: 1) atmospheric structure instrument; 2) neutral mass spectrometer; 3) helium abundance detector; 4) net flux radiometer; 5) nephelometer
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Spacecraft Dimensions: Orbiter: 6.15 metersProbe: 86 cm
Spacecraft Power: Two Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generators
Maximum Power: 570 watts
Antenna Diameter: 4.8-meter
Program Manager: Donald T. Ketterer, NASA Headquarters
Project Manager: William J. O'Neil, Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Principal Scientists: Dr. Torrence V. Johnson, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and Henry C. Brinton, NASA Headquarters, Dr. Richard E. Young, NASA Ames Research Center
Total Cost: Original projection: $1.3 billion
Deep Space Chronicle: A Chronology of Deep Space and Planetary Probes 1958-2000, Monographs in Aerospace History No. 24, by Asif A. Siddiqi
National Space Science Data Center, http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/
Galileo, one of NASA's most ambitious deep space exploration projects, was the result of plans dating back to the early 1980s to deploy a Jupiter orbiter and probe. In its final configuration, the orbiter was a 4.6-meter-tall spacecraft designed to operate for 22 months in Jovian orbit using ten instruments/experiments to study the planet's atmosphere, satellites, and magnetosphere.
Galileo carried a 337-kilogram probe designed to return data as it entered the Jovian atmosphere to identify atmospheric materials and conditions that cannot be detected from outside. Because of limitations of a Space Shuttle/IUS combination, NASA decided to use a complex multiplegravity-assist scheme that required three flybys (two of Earth and one of Venus) on its way to Jupiter. The STS-34R crew released the spacecraft 6.5 hours after launch; an hour later, the two-stage IUS fired to send Galileo on its way.
Galileo flew past Venus at 05:58:48 UT on 10 February 1990 at a range of 16,106 km; as it did so, it conducted an extensive survey of the planet (including imaging).
Having gained 8,030 km per hour in speed, the spacecraft flew by Earth twice, the first time at a range of 960 km at 20:34:34 UT on 8 December 1990, when it clearly detected traces of life in atmospheric trace elements on our home planet.
The spacecraft also conducted lunar observations. A major problem occurred on 11 April 1991, when the high-gain antenna failed to fully deploy, thus eliminating the possibility of data transmission during its flyby of the asteroid Gaspra.
Becoming the first humanmade object to fly past an asteroid, Galileo approached the minor planet to a distance of 1,604 km at 22:37 UT on 29 October 1991. The encounter provided much data, including 150 images of the asteroid. Galileo then sped to its second encounter with the Earth-Moon system, with a flyby of Earth at 303.1 km at 15:09:25 UT on 8 December 1992, adding 3.7 km per second to its cumulative speed.
Despite extensive attempts to salvage the high-gain antenna, ground controllers eventually had to restructure the mission to use only the low-gain antenna, which would allow about 70 percent of the originally planned scientific return (using software and hardware improvements on Earth).
Galileo flew by a second asteroid, Ida, at 16:51:59 UT on 28 August 1993 at a range of 2,410 km, thus providing further data on minor planets. The spacecraft found Ida had a natural satellite (Dactyl), the first discovery on a moon orbiting an asteroid.
Later, in July 1994, as it was speeding toward Jupiter, Galileo provided astronomers' only direct observations of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9's impact with the Jovian atmosphere.
Galileo's atmospheric entry probe was finally released on 13 July 1995, when the spacecraft was still 80 million km from Jupiter. The probe hit the atmosphere at 6.5°north latitude and 4.4° west longitude at 22:04 UT on 7 December 1995 and returned valuable data for 57 minutes as it plunged into the Jovian cauldron. Data, originally transmitted to its parent craft and then later transmitted back to Earth, indicated an intense radiation belt 50,000 km above Jupiter's clouds, few organic compounds, and winds as high as 640 meters per second.
The Galileo orbiter, meanwhile, fired its engine at 00:27 UT on 8 December, becoming Jupiter's first humanmade satellite. Its orbital period was 198 days. Soon after, Galileo began its planned eleven tours over twenty-two months, exploring the planet and its moons, beginning with a first encounter with Ganymede on 27 June 1996 and ending with a flyby of Europa on 6 November 1997 (which also included flybys of Callisto).
Having fulfilled the mission's original goals, NASA extended the mission extension, during which the spacecraft conducted numerous flybys of Jupiter's moons, each encounter yielding a wealth of scientific data. These included flybys of Europa nine times (eight between December 1997 and February 1999 and one in January
2000); Callisto four times (between May 1999 and September 1999); and Io three times (in October 1999, November 1999, and February 2000).
Galileo flew only 198 km from the surface and sent back the highest resolution photos at the time of the volcanically active moon.
On 8 March 2000, NASA announced plans to extend Galileo's mission further, renaming the flight the Galileo Millennium Mission. Galileo coordinated investigations of Jupiter and its environs with the Cassini spacecraft (on its way to Saturn) in December 2000. Earlier, under the new Millennium Mission, Galileo flew by Ganymede, the largest moon in the solar system, on 20 May 2000 at a range of 809 km. It completed a second flyby of the same moon on 28 December 2000.
On 15 March 2001, NASA extended the Galileo mission a third time by planning five more flybys of the planet's moons: Callisto (in May 2001), Io (in August and October 2001 and January 2002), and Amalthea (in November 2002). During the 25 May 2001 encounter with Callisto, a heavily cratered moon about the size of Mercury, the spacecraft flew by the surface at a scant 138 km, closer than any previous encounter.
In December 2000, the National Research Council of the National Academy of Sciences approved plans for ending the Galileo mission. After finishing its imaging mission in 2002, Galileo will continue studies of Jupiter's massive magnetic field with seven instruments.
After a final orbit shaped like an elongated loop, the spacecraft was deliberately destroyed to protect one of its own discoveries - a possible ocean beneath the icy crust of the moon Europa. Galileo plunged into Jupiter's crushing atmosphere on Sept. 21, 2003.
In its six-year exploration of the Jovian system, Galileo has discovered far less lightning activity (about 10 percent of that found in an equal area on Earth) than anticipated, helium abundance in Jupiter very nearly the same as in the Sun (24 percent compared to 25 percent), extensive resurfacing of Io's surface due to continuing volcanic activity since the Voyagers flew by in 1979, and evidence for a liquid water ocean under Europa's surface.
Galileo has also discovered organic compounds on Callisto, Ganymede, Europa, and even Io. The spacecraft has also discovered the first internal magnetic field of a moon.
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Piaget Polo FortyFive watch, 45 mm. Titanium case and 18K pink-gold gadroons. Dial with luminescent hour markers in 18K pink gold. Sapphire crystal case back. Manufacture Piaget 800P PVD self-winding mechanical movement with seconds hand and date aperture.
Metal: Pink gold, Titanium
Metal weight (gr): 76.7
Strap type: Rubber
Strap colour: Black
Strap buckle: Folding clasp
Wrist size: 205 mm (max), 110 mm (min)
Case shape: Round
Case diameter: 45 mm
Case thickness: 12.3 mm
Dial colour: Black
Index: Batons, Dot
Waterproofness: 10 ATM
Specificities: Sapphire case back
Movement: Self-winding mechanical
If the memory of the past does indeed serve to write the future, the Piaget Polo FortyFive watch is certainly a vivid illustration of this maxim. An audacious adaptation of the famous Piaget Polo watch, this resolutely sporty watch creation has a diameter of 45 mm, reminiscent of the 45-minute duration of a polo match. It has a shape carefully designed to ensure maximum comfort and presents a combination of materials that is a first for Piaget, with an outstanding finishing for good measure. This model, in titanium with a very chic added touch of pink gold, is presented with an injected rubber strap decorated with gadroons of pink gold and fastened by a buckle with a summer/winter adjustment. Water-resistant at 100 metres, it is equipped with an 800P self-winding Manufacture movement with a large date window and displaying its functions on a black dial.
800P PVD movement
This 800P PVD movement belongs to the third generation of self-winding ultra-thin movements from the watchmaker Piaget. It includes many functions and has a screw balance, a balance stop, a central second indication and a large date display at 6 o'clock. In order to ensure long-lasting autonomy the movement is also equipped with a double barrel which, thanks to its two mainsprings, offers an improved power-reserve function. The circular Côtes de Genève, the circular-grained mainplate, the bevelled bridges, the blued screws and the black oscillating weight engraved with the Piaget coat-of-arms round off this exceptional movement, while remaining true to the aesthetic codes cherished by the Swiss watchmaking brand.
Material: Black PVD
Functions: Date at 6 o'clock, Seconds, Hours, Minutes
Technical features: Double barrel, Balance with screws, Balance stop
Power reserve (in hours): Approx. 85
Frequency (vph): 21,600
Frequency (Hz): 3
Diameter (lines): 12.00
Diameter (mm): 26.8
Number of jewels: 25
Thickness (mm): 4
Number of components: 201
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I guess I am a little behind on this sort of thing. I thought I would never need or use an IPhone. I could care less about surfing the Internet and checking email on one as I have a laptop with me most of the time for work. But I was out riding snowmobiles with a few friends and they had Iphones with google earth and gps. It was sure handy being able to see that just over the ridge from you there was an open valley. Something you cant see from a topo map. I'm not sure that alone can get me into getting one, so I was just wondering what else these phones can do for me in the back country? I see Cabelas has an app for hunting use?? What other apps do you guys have for using while in the outdoors.
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Bob Evans® Bacon, cut into 1/2 inch pieces
small leek, white part only, diced
1 (20 ounce) package
Bob Evans® Home Fries Diced Potatoes
2 (14 ounce) cans
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1 cup
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I am giving this 4 stars only because I added a few things to make this more flavorful, but after that it was most definitely a 5. I estimated on the milk and chicken broth (I buy the kind in the carton) and it turned out a little to thin, probably my fault. To thicken and add more flavor I added some crushed red pepper flakes, for some spice, seasoned salt, garlic powder, double the bacon, one pkg. country style gravy mix, and a few slices of provolone cheese. The gravy mix made it great and I would imagine any cheese you had on hand would work. After the changes my husband and I both thought it was the best potato soup/chowder that I have made, and that says a lot b/c I have tried many different kinds.
this recipe definately has potential but it needed some fine tuning. i made the soup exactly to the recipe and found it to be missing something so i took the advice of another review and added country gravy mix...helped in the flavor department. i still felt like it was missing something so i added some condensed cheese soup...oh my...what goes better with potatos and bacon than cheese. my family loved it so much that they want me to make more for the football game on sunday.
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Wow! This was incredibly tasty! Think the good quality stock makes all the difference here. I just used ordinary peeled potatoes and smoked bacon for this recipe, and it was fantastic. Will definatly make again
Better than mom's and that is hard to come by.
I suggest using a high quality extra lean bacon because anything other than that will cause the recipe to be too greasy. Other than that, this recipe was good. I would make it again, (with better bacon of course!)
As with all chowder-like dishes, bacon is best when it is very crunchy. To make it easy, I used onion in place of the leek. I also used my own potatoes and cut them into small cubes. Worked great!
easy and good what more could you want.
it was amazing i make it every week for dinner and i also bring it for my lunch at work every day!!!!! i just dont get tird of it!!!!!!!
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Calories: 258
Calories from Fat: 90
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Strapping yourself into the passenger seat the first time your teenager takes the wheel is one of the scarier turning points of parenting.
Teen drivers are four times more likely to crash, on a per-mile basis, than older drivers, according to the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. They are notorious for taking stupid risks and being overconfident about their driving ability.
But before you start lecturing your kid, take a look in the mirror. Many of the mistakes teen drivers make stem from things they learn from parents.
"You hear all kinds of crazy stuff," says Sharon Postigo Fife, president of The Driving School Association of the Americas in Kettering, Ohio.
Here's some of the worst driving advice parents give their teenagers.
Do as I say, not as I do.
Telling your kid about the danger of texting and driving won't do any good if you pick up your cell phone while motoring down the highway.
"Parents say one thing, and then do something different," says Brandon Dufour, general manager of All-Star Driver, a driving school headquartered in Watertown, Conn. "Starting at about age 11 or 12 your child is paying attention to your driving habits and noting consciously or subconsciously all those things you do ."
Two-thirds of surveyed teens say their parents live by different driving rules than the ones they expect their kids to follow, according to research in 2012 by Liberty Mutual Insurance and Students Against Destructive Decisions. Ninety-one percent reported seeing their parents talk on a cell phone while driving, 88 percent observed their parents speeding and 59 percent said their parents have sent text messages while driving.
"Kids figure, 'If Mom can do it, I can do it,'" Dufour says.
It's OK to speed a little.
Brad Ault, president of the Florida Professional Driving School Association and Ault's Driver Education Center in Englewood, Fla., says he hears parents tell teens it's all right to drive 5 mph over the speed limit because "everybody does it."
But they should teach their kids to obey the speed limit and to drive according to conditions. Too many drivers don't slow down when the weather is bad.
"That's what kills a lot of people," Ault says.
A speeding ticket even for 5 mph over the limit can affect your car insurance premiums, says Penny Gusner, CarInsurance.com consumer analyst. "One minor ticket could go either way," Gusner says. "But two tickets -- even if they are both minor -- are a pattern that will scare your insurance company."
Pump the brakes to prevent skidding.
Before modern brake systems were developed, drivers were told to pump the brakes to prevent them from locking up. But most cars today are equipped with anti-lock brakes, making pumping unnecessary, says Casey Carden, regional chief instructor for the Southeast for the Skip Barber Racing School in Braselton, Ga.
Anti-lock brakes are designed to prevent your car from skidding when you use them in an emergency. For a vehicle without anti-lock systems, Carden advises letting up on the brakes slightly, rather than pumping them.
"Pumping the brake pedal upsets the balance of the car," he says.
Airbags and anti-lock brakes, though nearly universal on newer cars, still bring a car insurance discount with most companies.
Look over the hood ornament as you drive.
Looking over the hood ornament doesn't give the driver enough scope. You should look farther up the road -- one to two intersections ahead -- in the city and as far as you can scan in the country, Fife says.
Keeping your eyes farther ahead, rather than focusing right in front of you, gives you greater peripheral vision, Carden says.
"While you're driving, you want to see everything, but look at nothing," Carden says. "You want to be fully aware of what's going on around you."
Plus, how many cars have hood ornaments these days?
Hold the steering wheel at 10 and 2.
You might have been taught to hold the steering wheel in the 10 and 2 positions, envisioning the steering wheel as a clock. But that advice became outdated when airbags were developed, Ault says. Today driving instructors generally tell drivers to hold the wheel at the 10 and 3 positions, avoiding an explosively deployed airbag.
All new cars sold today have at least front airbags, but most have side airbags as well. Some manufacturers now offer center knee, seat belt and even pedestrian airbags.
Wait until you're 18, so you can skip all the requirements.
Many states require classroom and behind-the-wheel instruction for teen drivers to get licensed, but most don't require driver education for new drivers or place restrictions on them once they reach 18. Fife says some families put off letting their kids drive until 18 so they can skip all those pesky requirements in place for younger teens.
But new drivers of any age can make mistakes from inexperience and lack of instruction. If the licensing age rises to 18 without the proper safeguards in place, Fife says, the crash rate for 18-year-olds will increase.
"I think this country takes driving as joke," she says.
If more than 30,000 people died in a U.S. tragedy, she adds, "You'd be hearing all about it. But every year that's how many people die in car crashes."
7 ways to track your teen driver
It's now possible to attach an electronic leash to a teen's vehicle, letting a worried parent ride shotgun without being in the car. Some devices use video, others GPS. Some record data for later review, and some simply prevent the teen from misbehaving on the road. And some can even lower your car insurance premium.
What follows is a sampling of the systems and technologies available. If it simply a smaller premium you're after, make sure you've looked into all the available discounts for teenagers.
Track them with satellites
GPS-based tracking systems can record where your teen drives and his or her behavior along the way.
Safeco's Teensurance program can result in a 15 percent discount on car insurance rates. The Safety Beacon GPS unit is professionally installed and allows parents to instantly locate the car, set speed reminders, set up safe driving zones (called geo-fences), and send arrival/departure notifications. Alerts and notifications can be sent to a parent's e-mail address. The system costs $200 upfront with a $19.99 monthly fee.
The car-dealer-installed SkyLink Protect allows parents to set up geo-fences and speed alerts, and it can function as a vehicle locator if your car is stolen. It also allows a parent to unlock the door remotely if the keys are locked in the vehicle.
Other GPS-based tracking systems gather and report information through a cellphone.
Get them on video
When the DriveCam video feedback system senses risky driving, it records a few seconds of what the driver is doing and seeing. The footage is sent to DriveCam, where it is analyzed by a safety professional. Once a week, parents are sent a report that includes the footage and advice on how to improve.
It is one of the most effective monitoring systems, according to University of Iowa research, and one of the more expensive -- unless you are an American Family Insurance customer.
DriveCam costs $500 installed and an additional $30 per month for monitoring, but it is free if you are insured with American Family. American Family believes the system produces safer drivers, says spokesperson Steve Witmer.
American Family says it does not use the data to set or adjust rates, and teens using the DriveCam system do not receive a policy discount.
Record the data for later review
Usage-based programs are becoming common among insurance companies, with substantial discounts available to drivers who install a monitoring device and demonstrate a pattern of low-risk driving.
Safeco's Teen Safety Rewards program is aimed squarely at teen drivers. Safeco's device plugs into the car's OBD-II diagnostics port, recording and transmitting data on speed, acceleration, braking and nighttime driving. A weekly report is e-mailed to the parent and teen, with the option to see more detail online. While the discount varies by state, most teens receive a 15 percent break on their premiums.
Other programs aren't necessarily aimed at teens. The Progressive Snapshot plug-in collects and transmits data similar to that of the Safeco program, with a discount of up to 30 percent. State Farm's In-Drive program uses Hughes Telematics technology and promises the possibility of even greater discounts, as much as 50 percent. Programs are also available through Travelers and Allstate.
A number of OBD-II plug-ins are available if your insurer doesn't offer one.
The CarChip Pro records data and allows parents to set thresholds for speed, acceleration and braking. If these thresholds are exceeded, a beeping sound alerts the driver. At $119, it is one of the more cost-effective options.
Set limits ahead of time
Carmakers are starting to put technology in their vehicles that allows parents to monitor or even control what their teens can do at the wheel.
With Ford's MyKey system, parents can program the teen's key to limit the top speed of the vehicle to 80 mph and prevent him from disabling stability control and other safety systems. It can limit audio volume and chime an alert at 45 mph, 55 mph and 65 mph. A persistent seat belt chime ensures teens buckle up. It can block incoming phone and text messages, too.
Hyundai's Blue Link technology lets parents set geo-fences, top speed limits and curfews on the vehicle. E-mail alerts are sent when any limit is exceeded.
Get the whole village involved
A few state governments have notification programs designed to improve teen driving.
The New York State Department of Motor Vehicles runs the Teen Electronic Event Notification Service (TEENS). This program notifies parents when traffic violations, accidents or suspensions appear on a teen's record. Florida is considering a similar proposal.
The Michigan Sheriffs' Association runs the Sheriffs Telling Our Parents and Promoting Educated Drivers (STOPPED) program. When police pull over a vehicle with a STOPPED sticker on the windshield, parents are notified, regardless of whether a ticket is issued.
Shut down their cellphones
Your cellphone provider may offer a text- and call-disabling program. It is activated when the phone senses the car moving. AT&T's app is free; Sprint's Drive First is $2 a month.
You might get more functionality by buying one of dozens of smartphone apps.
The iGuardianTeen app, for example, disables texting and calls. A report is sent to parents after every driving session, and includes information about top speeds, duration of the trip and any excessive G-force events triggered by sudden braking or swerving. The program alerts parents if the app is shut down. It is only available for Android phones and costs $4.99.
Go low-tech
These solutions don't require electronics, but they also don't return as much data.
Parents can buy a "How's My Teen Driving?" bumper sticker that routes calls to a reporting center, which e-mails the parents. Tell The Parents is $31.95 a year. Or you could simply print a "How's My Driving?" bumper sticker of your own with a phone number on it, if you're prepared to deal with a crank call or two.
You can hire someone to follow your teen. Really, you can. StreetEyes says its operators will follow at a discreet distance, filming the car, capturing its speed and tracking it by GPS, then report back to you, at a cost of $30 for a 20-minute session.
Lastly, there is the old standby familiar to any driver who came of age in the pre-cellphone era: Check the odometer and write it down.


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Fernando Alonso believes Lewis Hamilton remains the "strongest driver" on the grid even though he may not be his main opponent this season...
Fernando Alonso believes Lewis Hamilton remains the "strongest driver" on the grid even though he may not be his main opponent this season.
Rivals at McLaren in 2007, Alonso and Hamilton have shown a growing respect for one another in recent years, often tipping the other for success.
However, instead of adding to their combined three titles, it is Sebastian Vettel who has come to the fore, winning three successive Championships.
But despite the German's success, it is Hamilton who Alonso believes is the "strongest" driver out on track although not necessarily his "main" rival.
"I do not know who will be my main opponent for this season, he who has the best team, with the best year in terms of preparation, luck, testing, all of these factors, will help a driver or team to come on top of others," the Ferrari driver told Autosport.
"But as for strongest opponent, who is strongest driver? My answer is Hamilton. It was true last year, it was true this year.
"The strongest driver? It is a personal opinion, not political, not to make people think something.
"Who is the strongest opponent, the strongest driver on grid? Who is the one you have to keep an eye on? It is Hamilton - and it will still be Hamilton next year."
Hamilton faces a tough challenge this season as his new team Mercedes have claimed just one victory since purchasing the Brawn GP team at the end of 2009.
Alonso, though, reckons Hamilton has the ability to turn Mercedes into a winning team.
"I am sure he will be able to win. He is a super good driver because he won every year with any car: he won in 2007 and 2008.
"In 2009 they started around two seconds off the pace with the McLaren, and Hamilton was able to win races - and it was the same in 2010.
"Last year also Nico [Rosberg] we saw winning in China with Mercedes. So with Hamilton he will be able to win more than one race."
As for his own prospects this season, Alonso, who lost out on the title by a three points in 2012, says he is entering the Championship "more confident" than ever before.
"I am more confident, no doubt.
"The rules are continuing more or less the same as last year in terms of aerodynamics. In the 2012 winter we changed completely the exhaust position compared to 2011, and it was a little bit of a guess what we found on the car.
"But this year everything should be much more normal and we are much more confident.
"We can be faster or slower [than the others] but not 1.5 or two seconds off the pace, because it was a record what we had last year. It is maybe impossible to be worse than last year, so I am confident."
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Friday, November 29, 2002ATLANTA, Ga. (November, 29,2002) - East Tennessee State's women's basketball team shot a dismal 13-of-61 (21.3%) from the floor as Georgia Tech (3-1) handily defeated ETSU (1-3) 85-35 in the opening round of the Atlanta Marriott NW Classic Friday afternoon from Alexander Memorial Coliseum in Atlanta, Ga. Tournament host Georgia Tech began the game with a 23-4 run and never looked back from there -- the swarming Yellow Jacket defense forced 32 turnovers, which resulted in 43 points and used their towering height advantage to out-rebound the Buccaneers 63-37. Tech grabbed 20 offensive boards in the first half and finished the game with 28 rebounds on the offensive end, leading to 24 second-chance points. Junior forward Lauren Trantham (Asheville, N.C.), ETSU's leading scorer this season, was held to just four points on just2-of-9 shooting. The Lady Bucs were led offensively by walk-on sophomore Carla Akers (Chuckey, Tenn.), who scored a career-high nine points on 3-of-5 shooting from three-point land, all in the second half. Defensively, sophomore Tiffani Mayes (Sumter, S.C.) grabbed a team-high eight rebounds and had a career-high four blocks. Six-foot, 5-inch senior center Sonja Mallory led the Yellow Jackets with 22 points, including nine rebounds. Mallorie Winn and Fallon Stokes added 14 and 12 points, respectively. East Tennessee State will be in action again tomorrow to take on the winner of Miami (Ohio) versus Arkansas State. The Redhawks of Miami enter the tournament with a 2-0 record to begin the 2002-03 season, while Arkansas State is an even 1-1.
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