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My name is Matthew Walzer. I am a high school student and will be a junior at Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
I was born two months premature on October 19, 1995. I weighed only two pounds fourteen ounces, and because my lungs were fully not developed, my brain did not receive enough oxygen. As a result, I have a brain injury that caused me to have Cerebral Palsy. Fortunately, I am only affected physically, as others can be affected mentally, physically or both.
I have overcome many challenges in my life. Although doctors from the country's top hospitals told my parents that I would never walk; and if I ever talked I would have a major lisp, these diagnoses proved to be false, I walk somewhat independently around my home and use crutches when I'm out or at school. I've also never had a speech problem. In fact, I am planning on attending college. I have attained a 3.9 grade point average (4 being the highest) and I am taking advanced placement classes. I have a strong passion for journalism and write for the sports and news sections of my high school newspaper. This year I personally received an award for writing one of the top high school sports columns in my county.
Out of all the challenges I have overcome in my life, there is one that I am still trying to master, tying my shoes. Cerebral palsy stiffens the muscles in the body. As a result I have flexibility in only one of my hands which makes it impossible for me to tie my shoes. My dream is to go to the college of my choice without having to worry about someone coming to tie my shoes everyday
I've worn Nike basketball shoes all my life. I can only wear this type of shoe because I need ankle support to walk. I am currently wearing the Lunar hyper gamer and LeBron Zoom Soldier 6's. At 16 years old, I am able to completely dress myself, but my parents still have to tie my shoes. As a teenager who is striving to become totally self-sufficient, I find this extremely frustrating, and at times, embarrassing.
I know that Nike makes slip-ons, sandals and other types of shoes. However, I and many other physically challenged people are unable to wear them due to a lack of support. When I think of Nike, I think of one of America's most innovative and forward thinking companies. Nike is always pushing the limits, making their shoes lighter, faster and stronger by using new materials, new designs and new technologies. This benefits people all around the world. Bill Bowerman said it best, "If you have a body you are an athlete." I believe everyone, no matter what their physical, economic, or social circumstances may be, deserves to call themselves an athlete, and deserves to have a sense of freedom and independence.
If Nike would design and produce basketball and running shoes with moderate support and some kind of closure system that could be used by everyone, Nike could create a shoe line that attracts people that face the same physical challenges I did and still do, yet it could still be possible for anyone to wear them.
I am always searching the web for any type of shoe brand that makes athletic shoes that provide good support, are self-lacing and are made for everyday wear or for playing sports. It is disappointing that no athletic brand has taken the creative initiative to design and produce athletic shoes in this category. I hope that by bringing this to your attention, Nike will consider being the forerunner in producing athletic shoes that will make the difference in the quality of so many lives.
This letter is not a business proposal. I am simply making you aware that there is a need for this type of athletic shoe, a great need.
Thank you for taking the time to read this letter. No matter what challenges I've faced in my life, I've always strived to be independent, independence is for everyone.
Best Regards,
Matthew Walzer
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This is a pretty inspiring story, and if you don't mind i sent the link of this letter to the Nike company. Just so there's a bigger chance Nike will take the initiative to listen to you. I hope one day you will be able to reach your goal of being completely independent :)ReplyDelete
I really hope that Nike/another company does something to make your life easier. Sounds like something they should really look into. Good Luck Matthew!ReplyDelete
The "Glove" or the "Shake n Destruct" were great basketball shoe's and they were mainly tightened up by a ZIP..... Come one Nike, get in there!ReplyDelete
I hope Nike takes your idea and does somthing great with it. I saw nicekicks on instagram had your link in a letter they sent to Nike. So I decided to see what they were sending and it was your statement above. This is very inspiring.ReplyDelete
I have got to add something, this young man writes well and I believe this is America he is USA I really hope Nike step up because I really don't want them to lose consumers over this. great job thank God for you Matthew very inspirational I buy a pair the minute they drop in storesReplyDelete
I have got to add something, this young man writes well and I believe this is America he is USA I really hope Nike step up because I really don't want them to lose consumers over this. great job thank God for you Matthew very inspirational I will buy a pair the minute they drop in stores in support if you Go MatthewReplyDelete
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i hope nike makes the perfect shoe for you, and others, and i hope that it will also be affordable.(unlike many of their newer projects) maybe they'll even incorporate their recently patented self-lacing technology in the shoe. hope u do well in college A& that nike gets u the shoe.ReplyDelete
Best of luck in college, and thank you for sharing your story. It was inspiring.ReplyDelete
Good letter. I am RT this link and also watched Nicekicks video and shared it in the hopes that Nike will read this.ReplyDelete
I saw these innovative laces that can turn any shoes into slip-ons. The website is for start-up companies and since they surpassed their fundraising goal they will likely produce more. They're not as cheap as I'd like so I haven't bought them and thus can't tell you how well they work, but look into them. Hope this helps!!! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hickies/hickies-turn-your-kicks-into-slip-ons?ref=liveReplyDelete
really really InspirationReplyDelete
Matthew, your letter was inspiring and if Nike "picks up the ball" they will have a new huge feather in their cap by developing this great idea. I truly wish you success in your questReplyDelete
Just tweeted at you but I also suffer from a mild form of cerebral palsy on the left hemisphere of my body. I played sports in high school but was definitely limited because of inappropriate foot wear per my condition. Self sufficiency was my one mission. My heart goes out to you man and it seems like you have the right attitude and approach to go far, regardless of who ties your shoes. Keep on trucking
I hope they see this letter and you get your shoes.ReplyDelete
You rock.
It would be great if a portion of the proceeds from the shoe go into research for Cerebral Palsy, or a fund to see you through college. Good luck man!ReplyDelete
This would be appealing to people with disabilities and anyone with fine motor/dexterity issues including aging boomers with arthritis. This could extend the Nike brand to boomers who want to continue to be independent, stylish and keep their cool factor while having function that could assist them. Good luck! I'll try to help by posting @Independence1st on this.ReplyDelete
AWesome letter. I have so many friends and students with disabilities who struggle with shoes, either with the lacing aspect or trying to fit them over AFOs. In my case, I have a slight foot deformity from rheumatoid arthritis -- just enough to make most shoes not fit right.ReplyDelete
Way to speak up!
Hey Matt,ReplyDelete
Super inspired by your letter. I may be able to help connect you to the right people at Nike. Please DM me your email address on Twitter @reidsplace so I can make the proper introductions. Let's make this happen.
Thanks for sharing...ReplyDelete
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Hello from a mom of an awesome 10-year-old with CP. This letter was AWESOME, and I am so glad it got you results!ReplyDeleteReplies
Hi Ellen, You may want to check out a line of footwear called Quikiks. They allow you to easily step into the shoes and have them securely fasten without the need to bend over or use your hands at all while providing great support.Delete
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Hi Matt, Thank you for sharing your personal struggles and frustrations. You may want to check out a line of footwear called Quikiks. They allow you to easily step into the shoes and have them securely fasten without the need to bend over or use your hands at all while providing great support. Best of luck in college!ReplyDelete


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The human population is at the limit. We are killing children by making babies too fast.
The definition of "at the limit" is the situation where the population cannot grow as fast as the birth rate demands. This results in premature death, specifically childhood death.
To understand this, imagine a static environment where a stable quantity of sustenance arrives daily. In that environment if the population is at the limit of how many people that sustenance can keep alive, and the adults average 3 babies, then 1/3 of the children must die. If the adults average 4, then 1/2 of the children must die. Notice that the birth rate dictates the child mortality rate.
This concept does not change if we alter the environment or our techniques for extracting sustenance such that we are expanding the amount of sustenance. In other words we can be in the situation where we are expanding our capacity, but not as fast as the births are demanding, and thus some portion of the child mortality is caused by breeding too fast. This means we cannot use the total child mortality rate as an indicator of whether we are suffering this problem or not.
To prevent this a TwoFourEightPlus system is required. This means no more than 2 children, 4 grandchildren for you parents, 8 great grands for your grandparents, plus some are allowed to have more to make up for others that do not meet TwoFourEight (Note: do not count dead children in this calculation). This system has never existed, thus humans have never controlled their fertility.
Given that humans have existed for a long time, never controlled their fertility, and anything above an average of 2 children attempts to grow our numbers exponentially, we must assume that we are at the limit. Scientists do not assume this. They assume the opposite.
Note, before you supply some comment about how humans limit their fertility, make sure you comprehend the difference between something that lowers fertility and something that will ensure it is low enough such that births are not killing.
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How are we at the limit of human ??? that births are killing children.
There are areas where population is so dense and/or distribution is so convoluted that food is lacking that the weakest of society including children are starving and dying. This is an unacceptable situation.
In spite of what the propaganda is.... the world is not overcrowded, there is enough food to sustain everyone... in fact some.... maybe too many have to much food and are overweight, maybe this is why scientists assume the opposite.
I have no idea how you came to this conclusion unless you are addressing those unfortunate who are in places with limited food and distribution or are plagued by a hostile environment.
And then how would you go into..... the Congo and say to the local natives "If you don't have so many children, they won't die... maybe so many wouldn't die"
I guess it's logical just unclear especially after my research suggest mankind may peak in numbers soon and begin a downward spiral that if left unchecked could lead to extinction in less then 10,000 years.
Nov 22 2013: Yes, I agree there is enough food to go around., but we are not distributing it equally. This means that we have a choice of causality. 1) poor food distribution causes these starvation deaths, or 2) excess breeding causes these starvation deaths. If we choose #1 as the cause, then we look for solutions that correct that. If we choose that solution nothing stops the uncontrolled breeding from driving our numbers right up to the limit again. If we do #2, then we are no longer killing because we make babies too fast.
Your second concept assumes that only the starving, and areas with high birth rates, are causing this problem. This is a bad assumption. Given that we have a global economy, there are no separate areas. In other words a human in the USA is consuming resources and that affects the resources that are available in the Congo. In short, everyone must know that we must limit the number of babies we create. So, yes, if the people of Congo create fewer babies the death rate of their children will drop, but also if the people in the USA create fewer the Congo's child mortality rate will drop. Note, that this discussion is not about what marketing campaigns will be best, so I have no intention of discussing what to say to whatever natives.
I totally agree that the number of humans on the Earth will peak. We are on a finite planet so there is absolutely no doubt our numbers will peak. It is a question of whether they peak because we are limiting our fertility or whether the environment is limiting, slowing, or decreasing our numbers in spite of our fertility rates. Also notice that this topic does not mention a rising population. Many scientists have taken the fact that the birth rate has been dropping world wide and do a very poor extrapolation of that to the future and draw ridiculous conclusions from it, like extinction. See http://www.ted.com/conversations/10955/the_conventional_wisdom_of_dem.htm for why these extrapolations are bad science.Nov 20 2013: This was an interesting conversation. I gave it some thought and did some research. What I learned.
A reproduction rate of 2.1 children is needed to sustain the current world population. I didn't go deep on the number, is sounds about right. What was enlightening is that there are only a few small countries that are maintaining the rate.
Best guess from some is that world population will peak in this century and do a sharp drop. Worse, the population will be older, require more goods and services and subsequently less productive, but technology (robotics?) may save the day.
It seems that progressive nations where people are "living better", women are having children later and in fewer numbers. Theoretically, in a few thousand years, the last human on earth will die of old age.
Population control (disregarding war, pestilence or plague.... a stray meteor) has not gone well. China ruled a number of years ago that only one child was allowed. People opted for sons.... who knew? As a result there are... a million? or some large number of young men and no girls to marry.... This will not end well.
On the upside.... less people... less impact on the environment.
Nov 21 2013: I would rather keep this conversation on the topic of whether births are indeed killing.
My argument is that we have always averaged more than 2 and that means that humans have always been attempting to drive their numbers to infinity at an exponential rate. Something has to stop that and the obvious thing is premature death of children so that they do not grow to breeding age. I argue that there is no mechanism in nature like TwoFourEight that could have prevented our numbers from hitting the limit shortly after arriving in each environment around this planet.
An interesting example is North America 500-150 years ago. Europeans arrived and introduced diseases that decimated the native population. One can conclude that shortly after that the natives were not at the limit. The Europeans then arrived and brought more efficient crops and methods of government that would have the effect of raising the limit. Notice that when Malthus published his famous essays, he used NA as an example of unrestrained population growth. It was doubling every 25 years.
The use of fossil fuels as also dramatically increased the limits. But do we have any reason to believe that we increased them faster than our numbers were attempting to grow? We see clusters of malnutrition and starvation, with high child mortality rates, throughout the world. Generally the world now has one large economy. So it seems to me that the evidence of being at the limit world wide is clear. The proof is stated above, the evidence is the starvation. The burden of proof is the other way around. One must prove there is a mechanism that limits fertility such that our numbers did not hit the limit.
In your research did you find anything that mentions this concept? Did you find any definitions for this? Did you find any hint that anyone has thought about this?Nov 19 2013: Fascism is not the problem.
It's about the mistakes. Let's be honest, where you have people, you have mistakes.
So, some prolific country bumpkin has 8 kids.
Now what? Do we cut this bumpkin's prolific throat? Drown these kids in potato bags at the river?
How do we make the 2-4-8 thing work in the real world? I can't list all the great solutions I am aware that seem to go south when people get included and this looks like another one.
Nov 21 2013: I am concluding there is no point in responding to the "fascist" type of comments. They serve no purpose.
In addition, I would rather steer this topic towards what we must know, instead of worrying about what we must do. I would rather not spend time discussing how to make the TwoFourEight thing work because right now almost nobody knows it. The reason I described it is to show a mechanism that is required for us to conclude that our fertility is not being limited to ensure we are not attempting to grow our numbers faster than they can be accommodated. In other words because that mechanism has never existed, we have to conclude that our numbers have generally always been at the limit.Nov 13 2013: China already had far too many men and too few women. They have an insufficient number of young people to support the old, as well. Likewise, I am saying that Amnesty International does not consider births to be a form of killing. Their rankings are not skewed incorrectly, you are merely a lunatic.
Nov 13 2013: I am not seeing the benefit of this TED idea thing. If anyone can respond to these things without actually thinking about the concept and instead regurgitate the conventional wisdom, how exactly would a new idea get noticed?
I can imagine how Joseph Lister felt when he said that bacteria from dirty tools and hands are inserted into the patient's open wounds and that leads to infections that kill. The doctors of his day responded much like you have. "No, my dirty hands did not kill President Garfield. I tried to save him. Infections are caused by miasma from stale air. You are a lunatic."
Nov 13 2013: I do think about the concept and have for decades. You are not automatically correct. You can be wrong. You can be so very wrong that most people don't even consider you worthy of a reply. A new idea gets noticed by people being competent and DEMONSTRATING its validity, not by them merely repeating themselves. Lister was able to PROVE his hypothesis in a practical manner. Where is your evidence? All you do is repeat yourself and get offended when the world won't roll over and worship you.
Nov 13 2013: What do you suggest I do to prove that births are killing children? If it was happening, how would you know it? How would someone prove it?Nov 14 2013: You have the hypothesis. It is your responsibility to provide the evidence, not mine.
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Nov 12 2013: twofoureight concept is almost flawless, except it is fascist.
Nov 19 2013: This is not about whether you like this or not.
The TwoFourEight concept is stating a mechanism that must be present in order for us to conclude that our fertility is controlled such that our numbers have not hit the limit.
Nov 19 2013: and it is fascist.Nov 12 2013: Okay, let's impose a "one child" policy, like that civil rights paradise, communist China. After all, aren't they on Amnesty International's "best countries" list?
Nov 13 2013: Could you clarify your point?
Are you saying that everything that communist countries do is wrong, therefore restricting births is wrong, and therefore we can ignore the fact the births are killing children?
Are you saying that Amnesty International does not recognize that births kill and thus their rankings are skewed incorrectly against China and towards all other countries that do not restrict births to prevent deaths?
Are you saying that restricting births is bad for civil rights, therefore we are not killing children by making babies too fast?
Are you saying that restricting births is a violation of civil rights, and getting pushed off the Earth by too many people is a lesser violation of civil rights?Nov 12 2013: I think I do understand, but if the premise is as stated "The definition of "at the limit" is the situation where the population cannot grow as fast as the birth rate demands. This results in premature death, specifically childhood death." Then we have always been at the limit and even more so in the past. If I understand your point correctly, and please do correct me if I don't, then if on average, in the past women had 10 children and only two survived the population was not growing as fast as the birth rate demanded. However in the year 2013 that average is now 8 born and three survive then we are still at the limit. Those are not real statistics but the infant/childhood death rate on average has fallen globally.
To answer your other two questions:
Do you understand how to prevent this? A: no no one does that is why it is still a problem, but I bet it has to do with what I mentioned above like education, a womans right to choose when she gets pregnant, education and family planning, growth of the middle class globally, infrastructure etc.
Do you know of a different mechanism that will prevent hitting this limit? A: yes kill all humans. That is the only mechanism that will solve this outright. However that is not a logical solution nor an ethical one, so how about finding ways to distribute food and clean water like by building out infrastructure and sharing farming techniques and creating legislation that doesn't comoditize food and health since they are necessities to life.
Sorry if that sounded like I was annoyed cause I was a bit.
Nov 12 2013: Yes, we have always been at the limit and more so in the past. Yes, your 10/2 and 8/3 example, which is grossly out of whack with reality, does correctly state the "more so in the past" concept. It also nicely shows that in the past there was nil population growth, and today, exponential growth.
Regarding how to prevent this, what is wrong with the TwoFourEight concept I described above? I am not saying that I know how to get everyone to agree to this, but this very knowledge is a requirement.
I want this to be a technical discussion, so I will nitpick on your last paragraph. Killing all humans cannot solve the problem of humans killing other humans. It is not a matter of ethics, it is a matter of logic. But note that if you agree that births are killing children, then that throws a huge monkey wrench in everyone's belief that fertility restrictions are unethical, right?
Even if we can snap our fingers and distribute food and clean water as efficiently as possible, it will not stop the attempted exponential growth. Rosling's talk, referenced above, extrapolates the low fertility we have seen recently into the future, and paints a rosy future. However, there is no scientific basis for doing that extrapolation. It is no better than extrapolating the flight of a baseball with a straight line. To properly predict future fertility rates scientists must find the groups that average the most babies and are the most successful at passing along the beliefs that cause this high fertility. In other words, Rosling must find the groups that average too many children in spite of having family planning, education, and women's rights in sufficient amounts. Demographers don't do this. (see http://www.ted.com/conversations/10955/the_conventional_wisdom_of_dem.html)Nov 11 2013: I have to disagree with your premise, I hope that I can make my argument clear and unoffensive because it is not my intent to try to "shut you down" for the sake of it. Yes we (the world) have a huge problem with infant and child mortality, there is no argument from me on that issue, however, we must first examine the root of the problem. It is not the birth rate but rather, access to the necessities of human life. Those being, security (both physical and food/water security), opportunity, education, infrastructure, and geo/political stability.
The truth is that the world produces enough food to feed the world with huge excesses each year, however the cost to distribute that food is too high. Sad but true.
The latest estimates on population cap is +/- 10 billion according to Hans Rosling (watch all 5 of his talks he's super intelligent and hugely hilarious). In order to reach that limit we must build out infrastructure in the developing world, increase family planning education, and create freedoms of choice for women. This is a tall order because part of the reason families have large families is because it is the only way for a family lineage to continue. In the US just a few generations ago women regularly had 10+ kids of which less than half survived.
Education of women, and a woman's rights over reproduction is a religious issue and religion is hard to fight, although there are champions like Richard Dawkins, Cristopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett.
Infrastructure is expensive, fuel prices are increasing, and government stability is incumbent on getting people to agree to a common good which we cannot even do in the US.
Until we can solve these issues the only way for a family lineage to continue is to have large numbers of children and hope (and hope, and hope) that they survive hunger, war, illness, and natural disaster. A sad reality of the world we live in.
Will we do it, no doubt, if we don't we will fail as a species.
Nov 12 2013: Your comments do not really address the topic. This topic is not asking what you think in general terms about the human population situation. It defines a specific term, states how to avoid that situation, and makes a case that we must assume that we are in this situation. It should be clear that we should not assume we are not at the limit. At best I think you are trying to say that we are not in this situation, but it seems to me that you are assuming we are not and your argument depends upon that assumption.
Do you understand the definition stated for "at the limit" as defined in this? Do you understand how to prevent this? Do you know of a different mechanism that will prevent hitting this limit?Nov 11 2013: We need to look at issues like living standards and what people expect. Otimists about the human condition like Malthus's idea of Moral Restraint looked at this about two hundred years ago. He was read by Darwin and Wallace who he influrnced. We have lowered our living standards in the Unbited States by importing lower income people as is the industrial custom in this country fits the Malthus model and classical economics well. So Marx and conventional economics is falsified. Of course, to look at the bad stuff that can happen one might look at livestock, rabbits, deer, and foxes. The human issue is somewhat different as we are talking about things like health care, University education, and jobs OKsomething like a drought can happen to people See the Irish potato famine Where taxes were too low to avoid the starvation and migration of large numbers of people. Bertrand Russel wote about how hard life was in the Dark Ages for the average person in Marriage and Morals
It's a bit wore complicated See the collected Malthus and Marriage and Morals.
P.S. Raising livestock helps ones undrstanding. Didn't a Norwegian win a Nobel or something from his close observation of his chickens? Seealso Gregory Mendel and peas. Any person can learn just by observing. But isn't it nice to quote acknowledged experts?
Nov 12 2013: Raising livestock is a fine example where the population's fertility is controlled to ensure that the population does not grow larger than can be provided for.
However, I don't think you really understood the topic statements. This defines what must happen, states what must exist to prevent it, and states that we must not assume that we are not at the limit.
Nov 12 2013: Okay I see your point better
But I think the population is asymmetric
If conditions change e.g. a drought you can be so overstocked that some will die under the stress.
Nov 12 2013: I don't see why you need to have some sort of drought in order to conclude that some die under the stress. There's plenty of starvation deaths in the world that do not have an associated drought or famine. In other words, you are creating some artificial line where if the badness (drought, tsunami, volcanic eruption, etc) is large enough, then we are overstocked. Why invent that line?
On this finite planet starvation is the swing producer. If tsunamis, and drought, and war do not limit our attempted growth, then starvation will get the job done if we are unable to expand our sustenance production as fast as necessary. That starvation does not have to be greater than some blatant X value.Nov 14 2013: I a;m not even sure there is stantial disagreement here. We have jdourneyed into numbers never seen bvefore. I think Asimov's essay in The Roving Mind is as good as I've seen. I did have concern with not understanding exactly what you were saying.
Nov 14 2013: Maybe this will help. There are two separate conditions regarding a population's size.
1) being at the limit, which this conversation is covering.
2) being overpopulated, which this conversation does not cover. (note, that the definition on Wikipedia correctly defines "overpopulation" for my needs. However the resulting Wikipedia article is not consistent with that definition and therefore you have to interpret the definition of overpopulation in strict accordance to the words used, and not like everyone else interprets those words.)
If we make a simple model, we can see the two separate concepts. Imagine a life boat with some people in it. If the people are capable of catching fish at a rate that will keep 4 people alive, then the carrying capacity is 4. If someone gets pregnant on that boat, then someone is going to die. Maybe the fetus, maybe the baby, maybe the new one lives, but someone must die. 5 cannot exist on that boat. That pregnancy will kill. This is the concept that this topic is addressing.
Now put some cans of food on that life boat, and a can opener that will open the cans at say 1 per day. The cans allow the population to be over 4, let's say the boat can keep 8 alive now. If the boat has less than 8, then the boat is not "at the limit" as defined in this article, but it is overpopulated. The strict definition of carrying capacity says that the boat can handle 4, so anything above 4 is overpopulated if there are more than 4. The relevant concept is that once the cans run out, the population on the boat will be no more than 4.
If there are 8 on the boat, and one gets pregnant, then that pregnancy will kill. Again, this is "at the limit" as defined in this topic, and overpopulated.
Notice the 2 separate concepts.
We all know not to get someone pregnant in that situation, but when this is scaled up to Earth, somehow we lose sight of this fundamental principle. Notice the others on this thread refuse to even think about it.Nov 10 2013: Are you a time traveler from 1970? According to 1970, we all starve to death by 1980-2000, at the latest.
Nov 11 2013: he can be. and he needs to catch up on events since. for one, it would be wise to watch the rosling talk he himself linked.
Nov 11 2013: We have controlled our fertility. We have done so in a large number of countries. The other countries have not implemented the most effective possible controls known: Extending real prosperity "down" and educating girls and women to parity with boys and men. Countries that have done that, even rather incompetently, have seen a major drop in "native" fertility.
But we can't have that, since that method doesn't require totalitarian government control...
Nov 11 2013: listen. government does good, doesn't it? therefore the more control it has, the better. any non totalitarian government is an incomplete solution.Nov 12 2013: Regarding the statement that we have controlled our fertility, please reread the topic and find
"Note, before you supply some comment about how humans limit their fertility, make sure you comprehend the difference between something that lowers fertility and something that will ensure it is low enough such that births are not killing."
In particular, I agree that there are many different things that lower fertility, including educating girls and women. However, this topic is raising the point that "lower fertility" is not sufficient.Nov 11 2013: funny i didn't see that he linked to Rosling I even told him to watch those talks in my relply
Nov 11 2013: never mind. he needs to watch it again :)Nov 12 2013: The Rosling talk is an example of a scientist making the bad assumption described in this conversation. Rosling's research and conclusions are all based on that bad assumption. This topic cannot be debated or challenged by referencing any of the thousands of demographers that have all failed to recognize they do not have a definition for "at the limit" and therefore no clue that they are making an assumption that wrecks their conclusions.
Nov 12 2013: i see. so the argument is that no matter in how many countries we observe that couples simply don't want more than 2 children, it is irrelevant, because you know better.Nov 12 2013: It is obvious that you just want to impose fascist control over private life and do not care about science or other silly little things like "reality".Nov 12 2013: This topic makes no predictions about the future, and is not about bad predictions that were made in the past.
Nov 12 2013: If it is not about the future, then there is no point to the topic. If there is no future problem, then there is no present need.
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Is the water crisis a serious issue?
Do you think the US should put effort into fixing the water crisis?
Feb 28 2013: making clean water is not a problem technically. the water won't go anywhere from the planet, and any water can be cleaned to be drinkable. the only one problem is its price. when someone earns five dollars a day, drinking distilled/filtered water is not exactly an option. so the solution to any "water crisis" is economic progress. if people are richer, they can afford clean water no matter what.
Feb 28 2013: What if we made it cheaper? Or is it possible to save more clean water on our side, so they can have it on their side?
Feb 28 2013: making cheaper is a possibility, and it happens. it needs progress as well. saving water here does not help people at other places. clean water won't walk there.
Feb 28 2013: Is there anything we can do outside of making the purification cheaper?Feb 28 2013: make people richer, so they can buy more expensive water
Feb 28 2013: If only it were that easy, thank you for your time.Feb 28 2013: it is happening for many centuries now. why would it stop?Feb 28 2013: also http://www.acumenfund.orgMar 12 2013: Just in South America, to mention one case, there are huge corporations acquiring land with natural water reserves and their business is not beverages.Mar 11 2013: Maybe we can invite people with solutions to your conversation? I emailed the chief engineer here http://www.ecological-engineering.com to come to TED.Mar 11 2013: Water is streaming day and night.For water crisis,It will be a very serious problem for our mankind to solve .We all need to keep working on it as well as we are still alive.Mar 6 2013: Only if water is essential to life....
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Mar 10 2013: Thank you very much for the TED talk, and do you think if they released another version of the inconvenient truth but about the water crisis it would help the cause?Mar 6 2013: Taylor, It would be helpful to know your location to better address your question. Where does this crisis exist ... your site says in developing countries. Your explaination states ... should the US put effort into fixing the crisis. What right does the US have to interfer into another countries internal issues? The US State Department has for years attempted to "buy a buddy" by giving cash and supplying weapons ... the US is a failed dipolmatic state. All US efforts to "buy a buddy" has failed and we still send millions / billions to be distributed among the politicians. The citizens have never benefited.
Second .. you suggest the UN as a help ... you could not be from the US and make this suggestion. The UN budget is 13.9 billion which the US pays 25% of the total budget and 27% of the operations costs .. plus all of the facilities and the city of New York suffers from the diplomatic fools of the UN and violation of US laws. 17 of the member nations pay 86.5% of all costs ... the rest of the nations are there for the ride. The UN has been trying to correct the world problems since 1945 and have a VERY poor record but VERY high costs. Can you name a nation that has been expelled for not paying it manditory dues ... for human righs violation in their own country while being a member nation , etc ... for violating the UN charter ... nope it doesn't happen.
For centuries these undeveloped nations have had the same basic problems and have never acted to resolve them. Peace Corps have dug wells .. planted crops .. etc. when they leave the people go back to the old ways.
Shouldn't these people want to help themselves .. can you help someone who doesn't really want helped.
Just asking. Throwing money at the problem ... is that the answer ... we do that all over the globe and are still hated.
Just some thoughts. Bob.Mar 6 2013: I recommend you the book 'When the Rivers Run Dry' by Fred Pearce.
Mar 10 2013: Thank you for the tipMar 6 2013: Yes,of course.UN means United Nations.Put forth an effort to a join effort is the original meaning of UN.I understand it so.
Mar 10 2013: But do you believe they are doing enough to help it?Mar 5 2013: Sure! But will the useless Congress we have right now, invest in the future? I doubt it. To most of these people there is no water crisis or global warming. This planet's water is 98% salt water, with only 2% fresh drinking water and 1% of that fresh water is frozen in glaciers, which are melting at a great rate into salt water from the "non existent climate change" problem. Because of population increases throughout the world, we are running out of fresh water. The U.S. could step up and start to seriously try to solve the water problem but Congress is not willing to even support the schools/colleges needed to develop the scientists of tomorrow to lead the way. We have the science here to do the research but no funding to support the research needed to come up with some solutions. Sorry state of affairs!
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Mar 5 2013: What's the water crisis?
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- not trying to be obnoxious, i mean ive heard of water pollution... but not a crisis
Mar 5 2013: Read the facts on this site, http://water.org/water-crisis/water-facts/water/.
Josh S
Mar 5 2013: oh ok i see where you're coming from,
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My opinion would be that there is a much smaller percentage of people now without clean water then with it. The vast majority of people have access to clean water, more than anytime in the history of our species. Yes, we have work to do, as the facts from the website shows, and yes it is a tragic, preventable problem, but every year more and more people have clean water. we are making progress toward the goal of everyone having clean water, not the other way around, so i dont think there is a crisis.
Or if you do consider it a crisis, then we have been in a water crisis since the first human was born.
Mar 10 2013: But while we wait for a solution a myriad of people are dying everyday from a preventable cause.Mar 11 2013: There is definitely a crisis present; lack of clean water has caused so many diseases that cause suffering in many indigenous and poorer communities. I just went to Panama, in Darien, and witnessed life in the embera community, and water is scarce. Sewage flooding is an issue, disease is spreading.
BUT there are organizations that are trying to build water infrastructure that, with time, can attenuate the water crisis.Mar 4 2013: Way more serious than you imagine.
Mar 10 2013: Why do you say that?Mar 3 2013: I think water is our bodies' blood.Air is our breathing.Sun and soil are our nurtrure.We humanbeing has damaged the bestow of the nature for a long time.US is doing a good job,we all over the world people should learn from them.
Mar 5 2013: How is the US doing a good job? What are some practical things everybody can do?
Mar 5 2013: Sorry,dear Taylor Blackford I made a mistake.I meant if US can put effort to fixing the water crisis,good action,we all countries should join them.
Mar 5 2013: Do you think that the UN or any other large multi-country organization could put forth an effort to a joint effort?Mar 2 2013: Yes it is. Water is the second most ubiquitous substance on earth (after air) but only a little portion of it is accessible to it humans in the readily usable form. This is because this availability is dependent on natural water cycles traditionally and human activities greatly impair such cycles.
The idea that technology can convert non-usable water (dirty, polluted or saline) to usable if there is only enough money is not only silly but stinks with exploitation, power and unfairness. It is silly because it sounds like we can destroy health and can boast of medical technology that can cure us if we have enough money. It is exploitative because most goods, including modern agriculture has unappreciated high water footprint. We have parts of world where 600 litres of water is routinely used per capita where as we know there are other parts of the world, parts from where historically 'free' labor force has come to affluent parts of world till few centuries ago, where women walk 20 kms daily to collect a bucketful of water.
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Mar 2 2013: Less than 5 minutes ago: What do you think we should do to fix this problem?
Mar 2 2013: Will you pay me if I tell you? :) Joking...
Actually there is not one solution to the problem. Apart from what are being tried in terms of technology (low-flow faucets et all, I am chuckling again), agriculture (GM seeds that require much less water to produce crops) and other means, I think water footprint should be integrated into the economy. I mean, if a pair of jeans have thousands over liters of water embedded in it at a price say x$, I think I shall buy another pair with either lesser liters embedded for same x $ or may pay a little more for that.
There should be water usage governance and policies like aquifer withdrawal regulation, taxation on water intensive sports like golf and consumption of meat.
The per capita consumption of water, both direct and virtual, should be controlled through legislation as well as social appeals.
I know the answer sounds uninteresting but fact of the matter is that there is no magic lamp that we can rub and avert global water crisis.Mar 1 2013: One cannot pipe the world can they? If a region is suffering from drought or arid climate conditions one does not go off and pipe water from one part of the planet to that area. The population of those areas will move or be forced to move as we have always done throughout history, it is only a crime when commercial interests take all the water for their own use through complex policies put in place by their shills in office.
As far as i know for the States, it is the Oglalla aquifer that is being sucked dry and once that is gone? What other natural sources are there that will deliver the necessary amount needed to water the farms who are subsidized and are utilizing land that is usually too arid to grow in? There are those of us here who live on islands that understand that water is the primary source first and foremost of all resources that is the first concern, if someone was to tell me that i was to half the use of that water because they were going to take it and give it to someone else, i would shoot them then laugh at them for their naivete. Welcome to the horror of population pressure.
Mar 1 2013: But what if a community as a whole decided that they would decrease their own consumption because the end results were an extended life for the water supplies of the entire population. Yes there is not instant trade off if I save here it goes to someone somewhere else, but if we decrease the amount we use now, there might be more for everybody later.
Mar 1 2013: It would still run into the ocean Taylor and you can't stop it as it is part of the natural system of recycling as well as the complex bio environments that those sources keep alive by just being there. If you and your community do what you say you want to do? What's to stop the government body that controls it selling the excess off to commercial interests? One cannot take from a water producing area and give it to an area that is going arid and expect that it will change that area nor can one expect those water producing areas be producers in the future, as in the case of my country if what they predict comes to pass, half of my country turning to hot dry and arid. I live in Nz, two islands and if it goes belly up then i move.
Conserve your water yes but it doesn't help anyone in Africa or Asia or me. The best one can do is make sure the natural aquifers don't drain out or allow it to drain out like they are doing with the Oglalla. There are ways to harvest moisture from early morning moisture from the coasts but it just needs setting up.Mar 3 2013: "One cannot pipe the world can they?"
We have already piped the world with oil and gas pipes.
As Krisztián Pintér says, the key is price.
Mar 10 2013: If we already piped the world with oil and gas pipes why would it be so difficult to lay down a water pipe. Yes the price will be high but water provides life and without life then there is no point.
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Feb 28 2013: http://water.org/water-crisis/water-facts/water 3.4 million a year/365 days = 10,000Feb 28 2013: wow…so now there is a global "water" crisis that somehow the United States is responsible for…
Feb 28 2013: I am not saying responsible for, but should we be trying to help other countries that cannot help themselves
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Feb 28 2013: So would you want a world where everybody else is dying and we have enough clean water to help all of them?
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Feb 28 2013: Almost 10,000 people die everyday from not having access to clean water, that's not nobody.
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Feb 28 2013: Water may be abundant but more than 99 percent of it cannot be consumed such as the salt water in the oceans, or the fresh water in the polar ice caps, or water filled with pathogens. Yes for Americans have more fresh water than we can handle, but other parts of the world have no access to any. The water in a well may be endless but as time goes on the well will have to be dug and redug in order to obtain the necessary water which might run out some day and the idea of a well will be a thing of the past.
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Feb 28 2013: The water levels all over the world have been dropping over the past years, this means the wells are slowly emptying out. Yes its easy for some bigshot to pay for a well to be dug, but not everybody has the machinery lying around or the money to pay for it.
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Feb 28 2013: Absolutely!
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Did you know that the Colorado River will no longer flow into the sea by the end of THIS decade? Do you have any idea how many aquifers have been destroyed through pollution because of chemicals used as both fertilizer and pesticides - not to mention fracking that turns faucets into blow-torches? Are you aware that - regardless of primary cause - global warming is real? That means that more water will evaporate. People will need to drink more water. Crops will need more water if we are to eat. Population growth is dangerous at this stage of humanity's development.
But these things are overlooked because your government has sold your survival (thus you) to the highest bidder. The more our resources are depleted, the more of a hindrance you are to the highest bidders, so something will need to be done to reduce the numbers of people like you. (The best way would be to start a major war - with an invented but culturally believable reason - so that the sheeple who are not paying attention will die, and attention will be diverted from a serious underlying problem that - if not addressed - will mean the end of most of humanity anyhow)
The USA cannot escape global warming. It could escape population excess. It could refuse to sell our survival to the highest bidders in the name of profits. More and more Americans should ask themselves why this is happening. When they do, they will realize that money is not more important than people, and they will join together to bring the corrupted system down
Feb 28 2013: That is a very interesting point. Do you believe there is any way to fix the problem as citizens? Or do you think it will be the government who is regulating it and controlling our water vaults down the road. If this really does happen, is there any hope for the rest of the world or will the water shortage be the first step in our overall demise?
Gail .
Mar 1 2013: Water is already being used as a weapon in places. Consider Palestine. During the Oslo accord, Israel agreed to drill wells in the West Bank. It was thought that this would encourage economic development in Palestine - so that it could become a viable state. So Israel dug the wells. It then piped the water into Israel and to those homes in the Jewish settlements in the West Bank. It then declared that its own water sources were to be secured and left untapped in the name of national security. Now poor Palistineans walk through the desert climate, past rows of swimming pools as they walk several miles with empty jugs to get the day's essential water.
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But I think that is a rarity. Still, it shows how access to water can become so severe that a corrupt government - that no longer serves the people - such as the american government - can cross the line.
I don't think that water shortage will be the first step in an overall demise. I think that it's part of a perfect storm of events - most of which would be avoided if our government served us rather than the wealthy who make their profits on the backs of those whom they do not appreciate.
The hope lies in working out the only available solution that I have been able to think of - but do it in your own mind so that you understand it. When enough do this, we will be able to reclaim a government of, by, & for the PEOPLE (rather than money). Only then will we be free, and with that freedom comes safety (for different reasons).Feb 28 2013: Of course it is.
Upwards of one billion people don't have access to clean water and over 2.5 billion don't have sanitary conditions.
In 2005, 4,000 children a day died from not having access to enough water to keep them alive. That figure is higher now and still growing.
Not one child left behind? Right? Wrong, millions of them left to die.
Certainly not white chillun. Certainly not Amerikan chillun.
Any resource that humans need to live should not be allowed to be owned or controlled by anyone, any country, any corporation, any bank or financial institution, king or queen. The resources of the earth were here for everyone's needs, not only a select few.
The control should be taken out of their hands and managed properly by the global population.
We don't have a population problem. We have a management problem of huge proportions because they are intentionally mismanaged for profit, scarcity that leads to profit, and that also leads to the horrible deaths of millions of people and thousands of children every single day.
Feb 28 2013: But do you think that the US should be working towards having more clean water, even when were are hardly affected by the lack of it. From what I know most Americans are apathetic and do not care about what happens in other parts of the world. So should we be the forerunners in a new age where water sustainability is key?Feb 28 2013: How do you suggest we fix the problem?
Feb 28 2013: Amerikans have had many liberties taken away.
They will not be given back. There are more laws to limit voting.
There are methods people are trying to implement to not allow a change in law to be challenged once it has been passed. Such is what is happening in Michigan right now.
There is so much going on that what seems clear is this: all these things falsely taken away can only be "taken back" by force in some form or other. They will not be given back.
Amerikans have great examples from other countries as to what they need to do. Syria, Egypt, Libya, Italy, Greece. People have to rise up. The only empowerment Amerikans have right now is in the Dec of Indep which tells them, authorizes them and instructs them in what to do.
Such is the fact that companies, groups or individuals who control resources must relinquish control or ownership of those resources. If they don't or won't, then only force will get them back.
I don't see how one Amerikan can walk around without feeling real guilt about the poverty they have caused in the rest of the world. So too have others I know, with other countries and their governments and so on, but they have done the most damage.
Yet they cry how much one act of child sexual abuse is 100% intolerable while they tolerate and benefit and enjoy, the fruits of resources stolen from other cultures and countries, causing millions to die and that includes millions of children.Over decades, with immunity and impunity. They can tolerate extreme collateral starvation, slavery, poverty, inequality, crime, greed, war and death. They benefit from all of that. If they are good people, then they must stop their Imperialistic, Fascist leaders and entities from carrying on in this way.
They really shouldn't be doing anything else but that. How could anything else be more important?
Mismanagement means new management. How do people get management that does its job?
By voting? No, that doesn't work. Pleading? Asking nicely? Suggesting? Being civil?Feb 28 2013: In Texas and some other states we are growing our populations into real water problems. Okay that may not look bad to some of the regions already in really bad shape, but wealth in the history of nations comes and goes. This will someday be a nontrivial problem. With some of the antics in Washington I am not sure that the future is dimming quidkly. In American - Mr. potter was not the hero in "It's a Wonderful Life."


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:cry: the feeling is mutual.
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I just realized my high school is all the way to West in this pix :eek:
39- Did you go to Stuyvesant because that is pretty close to the WTC and is west of it?
Went to the "real" Stuyvesant (with James Cagney - just kidding ) on 1st and 14th, but an Alumn is an Alumn even if they move your school.
Yeah I know a bunch of people who go to Stuyvesant, I am happy that I don't go there. They had to go to school at Brooklyn Tech for a few weeks from some late time but till 6. I heard that everyone was really really really pissed off, which is obvious.
I know I would have been pissed, but now they are stuck in a school that's have "bad" air - though not toxic .
I would not have gone to Stuy if it were in its current location since I lived near Kennedy Airport.
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Looking to purchase my first tig welder. I have a budget of around $4000 +/- I really want to stay blue, I have had bad experiences with the red equipment, but thats a whole different can of worms. What would you guys recommend? I am needing to weld 3/16" and 1/4" aluminum and some 1/8" steel. It is for my home shop so it doesn't have to be a super high duty cycle machine, but I need something that will have a good penetrating weld on that material. The aluminum is a clutch and flywheel cover for garden tractor pulling so they have to withstand (hopefully not going to have to) but approximately 30lbs of steel and aluminum at 9000rpm if sometheing ever let go and the steel is a frame so it also has to have good welds on it.
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Thread: Tig Welder for $4000
11-19-2013, 06:03 PM #1Junior Member
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Tig Welder for $4000
It will fit your stated needs and budget... a great machine...
Here is a thread on the subject that you might find useful..
The more you know, The better you know, How little you know
The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten
Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...
My Blue Stuff:
Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
Dynasty 200DX
Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
Millermatic 200
TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000
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What are you using for an engine and clutch?
As I was first reading this I pictured an old style hotrod with an SBC or Ford 2300 for power. I dont follow pulling much but I cant really fathom a 30# flywheel on a Kohler or Briggs.
If youre using a car engine for power get yourself a real scatter shield. I would never risk the safety of the fans for such a thing. I would think you could find a good safety housing that was out of date from a drag racer that would be suitable. If youre using an engine that one is not commercially built(Lakewood, Trick Titanium, etc.) I would use steel and make it thick, like half inch.
Look up some pictures of Don Garlits' clutch explosion. Youll see why Im concerned.Who do you call when the lawmakers ignore the law?
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In our sport a lot of things need to be custom fabricated as there's no manufacture producing them. Pulling is a unique Motorsport and there's definitely a whole different set of stresses that no other Motorsport could ever introduce to the parts we use. Back on topic here. I'll second the dynasty 200 BUT if you are like we are you'll move onto bigger tractors and with bigger tractors comes heavier material. I out grew my synchro200 real quick. I'd try to find a used dynasty 350 or a synchro 250. I got lucky and found a near mint synchro 350 lx with all the bells and whistles and is more than capable to do anything in my shop and probably 99% of anyone else's. Down side to the big transformer machines is power consumption. They like electricSyncrowave 350lx
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I agree with H80N 200 Dynasty.
Theres a guy on welding web selling a miller aerowave right now. Hes dropped his price to $4000. Check it out bud, i belive his name is kenfabcreations. Insane deal!!!!! And machine is beautiful!
All of the Aerowave users that I have known switched to Dynasty 350DX Tigrunners in the last couple of years... ask the seller what he is buying to replace the Aerowave...
The Aerowave WAS a great machine in it's day... that day is past...
Here is a thread on the subject..
BTW... I looked at the ad for that Aerowave on WW... It needs repair..
the owner says the HF is "Buggy" whatever that means.. ??$$$$??
and he has dropped the price again to $3750.. Still Too High...
Have seen several of them needing work with an asking in the $1500 range
The more you know, The better you know, How little you know
The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten
Buy the best tools you can afford.. Learn to use them to the best of your ability.. and take care of them...
My Blue Stuff:
Dynasty 350DX Tigrunner
Dynasty 200DX
Millermatic 350P w/25ft Alumapro & 30A
Millermatic 200
TONS of Non-Blue Equip, plus CNC Mill, Lathes & a Plasmacam w/ PowerMax-1000
Tig Welder for $4000
I'm actually considering selling my Dynasty 200DX that I bought new about 2 months ago so I can upgrade to the Dynasty 350, since buying the 200DX I've gotten 3 aluminium jobs and I don't like to push my machines too hard. So if you're near Toronto let me know and I will make a decision soon. Will probably sell for $4K +


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