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Discussing the fundamental nature of Katz presentation and the validity of the claims he makes in the video.
He makes claims in this video that are false.
His statement and focus on men ignores the fundamental question why do some people abuse other people.
Non-feminist oriented studies made says that women abuse there male partners physically and emotionally to the same degree as men do their female partners and according to some studies even more.
Also there is more spousal abuse in female homosexual relationships than in male homosexual relationships. If the problem is men why do homosexual women hit their spouses more?
What he is doing and talking about makes it harder to help people because what he speaks of is fundamentally false. Perhaps some in the audience work in healthcare system. A woman comes in and has signs of abuse. Shes there with a woman. The nurse/doctor given the myths reinforced by this talk will not think that the woman sitting there with their patient might be the one that psychically abused her.
Also when it comes to sexual abuse etc. at least 20% of the perpetrators of sexual abuse of children are female. Young boys taken advantage of by older women are not seen as victims of abuse but a lot of them suffer psychological effects that lead them to violence and drug abuse.
When college students were asked about if they had sex even if they didnt want to a lot more men than women said they had had sex even if they didn't want to.
When it comes to his "By stander approach", it has not been scientifically evaluated. He has no factual backing if it works. There is no comparatives studies made at all with regards to any of his methods. He has just made the methods up from what I can tell. Hes a good salesman so people buy into the feminism inspired male bashing.
Essentially the video and the presenter lies and/or is totally uninformed with regards to the research that exists, the statistics that are available.
If men are the problem why do women do the same thing? Perhaps its not a sex issue, perhaps god forbid its something else entirely
Jackson Katz
Jun 9 2013: I think it's important for the TED community to have some context for this reckless and irresponsible post and conversation topic initiated by Andreas N. From the moment my initial TEDXWomen talk went up, the comments section has been overrun by men's rights activists (MRAs) and other aggrieved men who have, in the usual fashion, attacked and ridiculed me, feminists, progressives, and anyone else who doesn't see as clearly as they do that men are the truly oppressed sex-class.
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Again as per usual, my words (and those of women/feminists) have been misrepresented, distorted, and dismissed. Let me be clear: I believe that my work, and the work of feminists more generally, is dedicated to reducing violence and abuse both against women and against men. Much of my work, in fact, (like my first film Tough Guise) is devoted to looking at how cultural constructs of masculinity hurt men. But for the record, my talk was centrally about men's violence against women and children, and the fact that some men are clearly upset by that ("what about all the men abused by women?!") is yet further evidence of some men's discomfort with their needs and agendas not being center-stage 24/7.
But I can't let some of Andreas's and other MRA distortions go unanswered, especially their repeated (and false) mantra that "women abuse men as often as men abuse women." They typically claim that "the" research "proves this," when it does no such thing. So I have provided links to two articles (there are many more) that survey and deconstruct research on DV and gender symmetry. Of course this doesn't include sexual violence, sexual harassment, and sexual abuse, all of which are perpetrated overwhelmingly (but not exclusively) by men.
By Michael Kimmel
By Michael Flood
Jun 9 2013: Jackson Thanks for the good talk Looking at your comments above, there is not as much difference than you both seem to think. An objective third observer and former divorce lawyer might suggest that men are larger and can do more damage. To suggest that women shouldn't hit men doesn't make me or maybe Andreas MRA's. That's the beauty of dialogue We can see different views. Yes, I represented mostly women. While I represented some battered women ditto for two men. People should be kind to each other, and one should look at an issue of degree.Jun 9 2013: Thank you, Mr. Katz.
You know, if every presentation on TED HAD to incorporate every single perspective, every single eventuality, every single statistic, it would entirely defeat the purpose. When I saw your talk, it was clear to me what you were focusing on, which in no way implied to me ignoring any other abusive group!
I applaud you for your point of view, and for reaching out.Jun 9 2013: Also where is the research that suggest that your By stander approach has any value at all in doing what you claim it do. Have your methods ever been scientifically evaluated?
Jun 9 2013: Until Mr. Katz gets back to you, here is a link to a fairly recent meta-analytical study of evaluations of interventions to reduce domestic violence. http://www.public.iastate.edu/~ccutrona/psych592a/articles/Treatment%20meta%20analysis%20for%20batterers.pdf
As you will read, these are interventions directed at people who have already commited domestic violence.
Jun 9 2013: My concern was the method he is suggesting, the one he has sold to the US gov and other organizations. That method is not a treatment for people committing domestic violence.
I know there are treatments for abusers that are effective. In Norweigh they are used in Sweden they are not because in Sweden the cause is said to be men themselves.Jun 9 2013: Here is more, perhaps, of what you are looking for then: http://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/part-4-bystander-interventions-violence-prevention
Jun 9 2013: Much better. Thats more of what I was looking for. Even better would be if there is any evidence at all that the behaviors change. That is lowering of sexual harassment, rape etc. Not just attitude changes that revert after a few months.
Telling people its wrong to rape, sexually harass etc is all fine and dandy. But if there is no actual change in behavior then its, in practice, pointless.
There is already a higher likelyhood that men will intervene when women are hurt. A man hits a woman in a bar. Men react. Woman hits a man in a bar. No one reacts and most likely think he deserves it.
Also that link also states:
"A challenge in establishing this is that evidence regarding the effectiveness of violence prevention efforts in general is limited. Few interventions have been formally evaluated and existing evaluations often are limited methodologically or conceptually.[227]"Jun 9 2013: Andreas, I am not informed in this field. I looked to Google Scholar, as I often do when someone inquires about available research on a subject on which I am not myself well-versed.
Here is another resource: http://vaw.sagepub.com/content/17/6.toc
There are several members of this community who have worked in this or neighboring areas who will be better informed.
Jun 9 2013: I have tried to find research my self on the efficiency but not been successful. Thats really how I came into contact with Katz from the get go. He was keynote speaker on a how to prevent violent teenage boys in Sweden. I wondered on what grounds he was invited and got bunch of links to methods but no evidence of their actual effiency.
I find issue with govs spending money on methods that has not been evaluated and paying speakers to talk on subjects they have no verifiable knowledge of except saying the correct stuff. Sweden is a very feminismdominated country and one of the parties that invited Katz is a radicalfeministoriented group called Men for equality. Though in practice they are not for equality involving both sexes.Jun 9 2013: Thank you, Jackson for providing the first link. The second link does not work any longer, I believe.
One of the values I find in TED Conversations is that participants can come to understand subjects better when those who have delved deeply into a subject share evidence as you have here. You have probably noticed in all areas in life that people often invoke research and statistics that turn out not to exist or that have been misrepresented or misinterpreted either by the person making the post or taking the stand or by the person he/she heard about the subject from..
I don't think this is always meant badly. It can just be a mistake. Sometimes people, for example, just believe representations made by those they trust. A forum like this one can allow such people to hear more than an insulated point of view.
In fact, on most subjects, when someone makes claims that don't conform to what can be supported by evidence, this site is active enough that others will come in with the evidence or arguments they have. And those who are interested have an opportunity to follow up on different points of view and the evidence that is put forward.
Sometimes, of course, people's views and the way they present them are connected to their anecdotal life experience. There are probably people who have been abused in this community, including males.
As Andreas in his reply to you links to the evidence he finds compelling on these questions, you will be able to flag what you believe is suspect in his sources so he can consider them in that different light.Jun 9 2013: Dear Mr. Katz,
You will note that I asked the same question "How did TED allow this conversation to be added? "
I will only add this quote by Tony Porter's excellent TEDTalk.
" The center for disease control says that men's violence against women is at epidemic proportions, is the number one health concern for women in this country and abroad."
Men are very much a part of the solution as well as the problem.
Thank you for lendng your voice to these issues, and for all your efforts,
T A Hoppe
Jun 11 2013: Agree Theodore....I do not understand why TED has allowed this discussion to continue. When the facilitator continues to state things like...""almost no men are violent in practice", we can clearly see that he is in total denial of facts.
Men can indeed be part of the solution, many men have been, and continue to be part of the solution, and I am grateful for that.Jun 9 2013: It does not matter if I am MRA or not. My concern is equality. If women fight as well then how can it be an issue with men and not violent individuals?
"and the fact that some men are clearly upset by that"
Some men are upset because you ignore half of the victims and half of the potential perpetrators. That is men as victims and women as abusers. Writing stuff like this is to act in demeaning way towards your critics. That's not exactly a constructive debate is it? You essentially say your opponents are like spoiled children.
Lesbians fight as well. They suffer from a bad masculinity as well?
"Gardner (1989) had straight, gay, and lesbian couples rate the violence in their relationship on a scale ranging from 36 (no violence) to 288 (severe violence). The average score for straight was 38.51, for gay was 39.6, and for lesbian couples was 40.22. " (http://www.psychpage.com/gay/library/gay_lesbian_violence/dv_gay_couples_intro2.html).
21,8 men, 27,1 women says they'ed been hit by a parter after age 15. 5,6 and 5,7 in the last year. "Vold i parforhold – ulike perspektiver" (Violence in relationships, different perspectives) 2005, NIBR, http://www.nibr.no/pub100
"This bibliography examines 286 scholarly investigations: [...], which demonstrate that women are as physically aggressive, or more aggressive, than men in their relationships with their spouses or male partners. The aggregate sample size in the reviewed studies exceeds 371,600. "
Your references:
Kimmel: A biased article in a biased journal. Of course a journal thats titled Violence against women would not publish an article that claims that gender symmetry exist.
Also the article it self is biased. Essentially it boils down to those that say gender symmetry exist use the wrong tool that is Conflict Tactics Scale.
Flood: Use the above article as reference. The reasoning is similar as well.
Jun 13 2013: I provided links to the Center for Disease Control after citing Tony Porter's quote.
Are they "bias?" You ignore those references.Jun 9 2013: Since you bring up your Tough Guise video. I assume this is on topic and the TED admins wont remove this reply.
"I believe that my work, and the work of feminists more generally, is dedicated to reducing violence and abuse both against women and against men."
In practice that does not seem to be the case. You only talk about male perpetrators. Your thesis in Tough Guise is also flawed. If your interested we can discuss that as well. The major flaw is that you take a small percentage of men to be the norm for all men. You also simplify your analysis to be that of masculinity being flawed. The rootcause is never investigated. You have fixated on masculinity not other issue such as socioeconomic factors, psychology, lonelyness, fatherlessness, sexual relationships and what women find intriguing in men and so forth.
You also ignore the fact that the modern society is the most peaceful society that has ever existed and do not ask the question why.
The fact that you use movies as the setup for your Tough Guise and completly miss your own reference to the potrayal of chinese as violent in movies and the fact that they committ the fewest violent crimes and crime in general in the US. So the portrayal of men in movies does not affect the behavior of some men.
Also your reasoning is that the norm equals dominance and that others are subordinated. Such as your example in that video with regards to what do you think when someone says Race, Sexual Orientation or Gender.
Then you talk about that we talk about female victims and not male perpetrators. However no where in the video do you discuss the fact that almost no men actually commits rape, sexual violence, violence in general etc.
You claim that masculinity causes violence but present no evidence for this being the case. All other factors are ignored.
You ignore the fact in forexample the Bobbits that he was laughed at about the fact that a man was mutiliated. A woman being mutilated is never a joke. Latest is The View.Jun 9 2013: Also you even claim that videogames creates violent young men but there is no proof of that. So in that video as in your TED talk you make claims of which you have no basis.Jun 10 2013: The speaker is talking in his own paradigm, he didn't present to speak about the different paradigms in women abuse, so please stop saying that he needs to address the other side of battered woman. That wasn't his point! Also, yes, he uses words that we, as ignorants, feel he shouldn't because of the connotation they carry.... Please look into Sous Rature, the only reason he uses these words is so that we, as a society, are able to understand what he is talking about.
Please open your mind.
Jun 10 2013: Sous Ruture? Hardly. He talks about a phenomenon not just limited to men. Hes talking like most feminists talk its not a tool its how they view the world and the issues in it.
How we react to women beating men and men beating women. And he says the cause is men and manhood and men should be more involved?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBHD6oTJIAJun 11 2013: Jackson,
SOME of the TED community is aware of this discussion as a "reckless and irresponsible" conversation initiated by Andreas N., who apparently is not willing to look at even the very basic facts. I am very surprised TED has allowed this to continue.
This was brought to your attention before:
The second link you provide (Michael Flood) appears not to be available.Jun 11 2013: It's important to know that women have been abused and stereotyped for years. Katz is not trying to pin point all causes of violence, he is specifically talking about domestic violence and sexual abuse. He's trying to change our pespective to think of these issues as a men's issue because it is a reality that men have an advantage over women in many cultures. Personally, this issue is a social problem that involves everyone, if women have no respect for themselves and men have no respect for women, and if we're not willing to help those children who are abused and grow up to be abusers, or if we keep pointing finger and critizicing without providing a serious alternative, then violence against women, men, and children will never be abolished. It needs to be abolished socially, in a general sense, all violence would need to be abolished then, including war.
He is providing an alternative not a solution to the end of all violence because that would require a worldwide massive political and social change on how we've been handling our lives, private and public, and our countries. How we've raised our kids and how we've been raised.
Jun 11 2013: Well said Deborah, and I think a worldwide change would be GREAT! Violence and abuse is a global issue that can be addressed by all of us. Rather than fighting against change, as some do, it would be good to be part of the solution. Every journey begins with a single step, and one of the first steps is awareness.
Jun 12 2013: What Katz is trying to do is bring awareness, and it is true that we are asking the wrong questions, that men are not advocates for the fight against abuse. It's also true that violence is universal surpassing all groups - economic, social, gender. But he is starting, he describes the problem as a leadership problem, and behind leadership there are many different characteristics to take into consideration, how you were raised, self-esteem, life experiences, internal resources, so many different things.
But I totally appreciate him speaking up about something that is happening everywhere and affects us privately and publicly. The numbers are huge, and those are just the numbers that we know, estimates, but what's the reality? How many women in the world are suffering abuse? Children?
We all need to help. It is our responsability. We owe that much to the World and to Us.
Peter Law
Jun 9 2013: I think Mr. Katz is right. I have many female work colleague's, & over the years have found many cases of what can only be described as emotional abuse. On the outside things look ok, but many men are bad tempered bullies.
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This has nothing to do with statistics, homosexuality, or women bullying men; that is another can of worms. What I deduce is that a large percentage of women are in trouble,& it is their partners that are responsible.
We attached males have to take this on board & treat all women, but especially our own, with dignity & respect. There is nothing 'manly' about bullying a woman, whether physically, or emotionally. It's not easy being a guy, life is full of frustrations. Let's share it with our partners instead of bottling it up & roaring at her.
Barry Palmer
Jun 8 2013: Your criticisms might have some validity, but I think that Katz has every right to speak from his own experience, as opposed to using research or statistics. Katz was not invited onto the stage to speak as a scientist.
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The central message that I heard is that leadership training could be very effective in curbing gender abuse. Considering the current gender abuse scandal in the military, I think his approach is worth trying. (That is my opinion, and I have no research to support it.)
Some of your criticisms are not based on fact:
First, Katz very specifically acknowledged that the problem is much broader than just male violence against women. His first point, that gender violence is largely considered as a women's issue, is accurate. Trying to correct that attitude is admirable, but personally I think it is a people issue, not a men's issue and not a women's issue.
"Hes a good salesman so people buy into the feminism inspired male bashing."
This talk was not about male bashing, IMO, it was about the responsibility of males in a cultural context.
By the way, do you have the answer to "the fundamental question why do some people abuse other people." ?
Jun 9 2013: Barry I believe that interpersonal violence is a problem that should be worked on. I also believe that it can become male bashing. Personally - I have never hit a woman, but a girlfriend struck me. I asked her why?, and she ignored the question. As a lawyer, I felt obligated to break-up with her. She spent the night on my front apartment porch screaming and yelling. This is only anecdotal , but suggests to me that it is a wider problem than just a women's problem.Jun 9 2013: Men are no more responsible for what other men do than afro americans, muslims, hillbillies and what not.
Heck Katz blamed the "manhood" in the Newtown massacre.
He makes general claims about 49% of the population based on the actions of 0.000001% of the same group.
in Sweden when Im from we have feminists saying that our manhood culture is bad and needs to change. Still we are among the most equal nations in the world and our young boys are among the least violent prone in the world. Still manhood is the problem. Its just so stupid.
Barry Palmer
Jun 12 2013: 'Men are no more responsible for what other men do than afro americans, muslims, hillbillies and what not.'
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I agree, and Katz did not say, or even imply, anything like that.
'Heck Katz blamed the "manhood" in the Newtown massacre.'
Katz did not blame "manhood" for anything. He is trying to bring the conversation around to our cultural myth of manhood, and how, in some specific cases, that myth might be linked to some men committing violence. I think that the culture of the USA is more violent than in many other countries. Since most of the violence is committed by men, it only makes sense to explore that link. That cultural myth of manhood is propagated by women as well as men.
'He makes general claims about 49% of the population based on the actions of 0.000001% of the same group.'
Katz made no such claim. This statement is simply false.
A quote from the article you site: 'Don't buy the manipulative argument that it's somehow "anti-male" to focus on questions about manhood in the wake of these ongoing tragedies. '
Katz says that most mass attacks, like the one at Newtown, are committed by men, and that the media should not be ignoring that fact, but should be exploring it. That seems very reasonable to me. If most such attacks were committed by women, I am sure that gender would be a big part of the resulting coverage and discussion.
In your topic explanation you stated: "What he is doing and talking about makes it harder to help people because what he speaks of is fundamentally false."
When you make false statements, you hinder discussion.
I agree with you that the issue of domestic violence is not a man's issue. This issue is for everyone. Katz is emphasizing a part of the issue that has been largely ignored. I do not know how much importance we should place on "manhood" in the context of the overall problem, but he has made a very good argument that it should be considered. I believe Katz is addressing culture in the USA only.Jun 24 2013: TEN THINGS MEN CAN DO TO PREVENT GENDER VIOLENCE
Approach gender violence as a MEN'S issue involving men of all ages and socioeconomic, racial and ethnic backgrounds. View men not only as perpetrators or possible offenders, but as empowered bystanders who can confront abusive peers
If a brother, friend, classmate, or teammate is abusing his female partner -- or is disrespectful or abusive to girls and women in general -- don't look the other way. If you feel comfortable doing so, try to talk to him about it. Urge him to seek help. Or if you don't know what to do, consult a friend, a parent, a professor, or a counselor. DON'T REMAIN SILENT.
Have the courage to look inward. Question your own attitudes. Don't be defensive when something you do or say ends up hurting someone else. Try hard to understand how your own attitudes and actions might inadvertently perpetuate sexism and violence, and work toward changing them.
If you suspect that a woman close to you is being abused or has been sexually assaulted, gently ask if you can help.
If you are emotionally, psychologically, physically, or sexually abusive to women, or have been in the past, seek professional help NOW.
Be an ally to women who are working to end all forms of gender violence. Support the work of campus-based women's centers. Attend "Take Back the Night" rallies and other public events. Raise money for community-based rape crisis centers and battered women's shelters. If you belong to a team or fraternity, or another student group, organize a fundraiser.
Recognize and speak out against homophobia and gay-bashing. Discrimination and violence against lesbians and gays are wrong in and of themselves. This abuse also has direct links to sexism (eg. the sexual orientation of men who speak out against sexism is often questioned, a conscious or unconscious strategy intended to silence them. This is a key reason few men do so).Jun 24 2013: (continued)
Attend programs, take courses, watch films, and read articles and books about multicultural masculinities, gender inequality, and the root causes of gender violence. Educate yourself and others about how larger social forces affect the conflicts between individual men and women.
Don't fund sexism. Refuse to purchase any magazine, rent any video, subscribe to any Web site, or buy any music that portrays girls or women in a sexually degrading or abusive manner. Protest sexism in the media.
Mentor and teach young boys about how to be men in ways that don't involve degrading or abusing girls and women. Volunteer to work with gender violence prevention programs, including anti-sexist men's programs. Lead by example.
This is from The website of Jackson Katz: http://www.jacksonkatz.com/index.htmlJun 19 2013: "Essentially the video and the presenter lies and/or is totally uninformed with regards to the research that exists, the statistics that are available. If men are the problem why do women do the same thing?"
No, women CAN'T do the same kind of battering as men. Men generally out weigh and certainly out muscle women. That makes a very BIG difference.
I wonder Mr. N are you a misogynist? I say this because you seem to be using the word feminist as a negative. Why? Feminism simply means political, social, and economic EQUALITY to men. Therefore, those "feminist" studies would have already taken into account female on female battering as well as female on male battering. Criminal records and police statistics don't support your position that female on male abuse is to the same degree as male on female abuse; indeed, the records support the contrary. Additionally, abuse center statistics show that females who are chronically abused by male significant-others tend to stay in those relationships until desperate, and if the female victims try to defend themselves physically, their male abusers quickly turn the legal tables on those females. There are many studies that track the modus operandi of male on female abuse, and such studies are chilling.
As for your comment that older women are taking advantage of young boys, I am receiving the message that you abhor the idea of older woman DATING younger men. Me thinks you strongly believe in patriarchy. Additionally, rape of boys by older females is rare, and is mostly a legal technicality due to the minor status of the boy as no violence is inflicted. Rape of boys by MALES, however, is violent, significant and very troubling. To be sure, rape is a violent act, and rape of females by men is rampant in the third world, and is growing here in the US.
Finally, why are you conflating child abuse with spousal abuse? To be sure, your conflation diminishes the seriousness of both issues.
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Jun 24 2013: Many people cannot use their proper names for personal reasons.
Jun 24 2013: Good point, I withdraw the comment. ThxJun 10 2013: It must be uncomfortable for a victim of abuse to read all this rumpus. What cannot be debated is the existence of the problem of abusive behavior. It happens from the nursery to the elder care facilities and everywhere in between. Should TEDsters step-back a second and ask if we are bringing anything to the table that is worth sharing? Perhaps protecting the innocent is more important than placing the blame. In firefighting they get the fire out first, then search for the cause. We seem to be in the way of those trying to put out the fire here. I understand there are complex causal relationships and that statistics are valuable contributors to solutions, but we ought not lose sight of the immediate need to stop this problem.
Jun 10 2013: Yep. But if we only look at some of the perpetrators we might be missing the actual causes for the violent behaviors etc. Men arent violent because they are men since almost no men are violent in practice.
Females arent violent because they are female either. Need to look at what the cause is for the violent behavior.
Masculinity is a feminist go to solution which is just wrong. When feminist and like-minded individuals discuss they usually take everything negative about men as a whole and name that masculinity. No one would say that femininity is the cause for a violent woman.
Jun 10 2013: Andreas,
You say..."almost no men are violent in practice". You want to think about that statement a little more?
You are absolutely right....we "need to look at what the cause is for the violent behavior".
Katz encourages ALL PEOPLE.....both men and women....to address the challenge. Why does that bother you so much?
Jun 10 2013: "Katz encourages ALL PEOPLE.....both men and women....to address the challenge. Why does that bother you so much?"
You keep repeating that but thats not the thing I have problem with. Since you fail to see the issue then there is nothing to debate regardless how many times I write it in one way or another. But I do one last try.
He says men violent, men and women should help with it.
I say individuals (both women and men but not always the same percentage) are violent and we should help and recognize all their victims and prevent individuals regardless of gender to become violent in the first place.
Can you see the difference in approach?Jun 10 2013: I am repeating because you are repeating Andreas.
Andreas, I do not "fail to see the issue". I have been addressing the issue of violence and abuse for 60+ years. I am failing to see YOUR issue.
I totally agree with you...."we should help and recognize all their victims and prevent individuals regardless of gender to become violent in the first place."
Katz also recommends what you recommend. That is why I keep asking if you actually watched the video:>)
Jun 10 2013: Please enlighten me to where in the video he says what I'm saying. Would be benificial. All I hear is men do this men do that. Not, some men do this or that. Neither do I hear some women do this or that.
The talk would be more factual and not ideologically biased if it talked about domestic violence and abuse from a gender neutral standpoint. Such as both some men and women do bad stuff in relationships. We need to get more men involved in this since this concerns them as well. both as potential victims and as community members.
If this was a talk about black mens as group violence this would not even been posted. Same goes with muslims and other groups. But when it comes to men you can talk on a general group level without anyone raises an eyberow. Since thats just how men are.Jun 10 2013: Absolutely Andreas..."We need to get more men involved in this since this concerns them as well. both as potential victims and as community members".
That is EXACTLY what Katz is saying!
Jun 10 2013: No its not he ignore the lesbians violence, he ignores the female abusers etc. So its not exactly what hes saying. I include women as perpetrators of crime he does not.
How this keeps getting missed is beyond me.
Personally I find it sexist not to recognize women as potential criminals. Its also a major cause for concern since female criminals do not get the help they need because women do no wrong. This attitude then is detrimental for the women because they run the risk of getting even more involved in crime because of how society views female criminals.
Jimmy Strobl
Jun 10 2013: Yes, it really is what he is saying.
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Perhaps reading the transcript will make it more clear?Jun 10 2013: I think I see your concern that portraying males as the (sole) cause of abusive behavior is off-target. I suppose that easily retrieved statistics could illustrate the percentages of male versus female initiated abuse and that would put that question to rest. Then we are left with the question, "How do we stop it?" Am I understanding your issue? By the way, you may want to explain the statement, ". . . almost no men are violent in practice." Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Jun 10 2013: See my posts higher up in the conversation with regards to prevalence.
" By the way, you may want to explain the statement, ". . . almost no men are violent in practice." Thanks for sharing your perspective."
Issue is that we talk about men violence against women on a general level. But almost no men actually are violent against women. Its a very low percentage of men that excibit this behavior. When looking at who hits and kills women its not normal men either.
Its like talking about muslims and terrorism. There are 1.2 billion muslims so talking about muslims commit terrorism takes things out of proportion. It takes one characteristic of some terrorists and generalizes it to all muslims. Some terrorists are muslim but therefor it does not mean all muslims are terrorists. The terrorists are not terrorists because they are muslim (male, member of a fraternity, etc). Most muslims from the same background, cultural environment etc does not end up being terrorists.
Also we as a society care deeply about women getting hurt. We ridicule men that get hurt.
A thoughtfull rant: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JA4EPRbWhQ
Can see whole clip first in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh1p_UWXjBw
How we react to women beating men and men beating women. And he says the cause is men and manhood and men should be more involved?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBHD6oTJIAJun 10 2013: Andreas,
You write..."almost no men actually are violent against women. Its a very low percentage of men that excibit this behavior"
The links you provide do not support your claim, and in fact, serve more to reinforce what Jackson Katz talks about.Jun 10 2013: As a short reply to Colleen Steen.
Dear Colleen - how i the world can you find that the to videolinks supplyed by Andreas is supporting the overall tone in Jacksons performance. Both videos - in a disturbing manner - show EXACTLY why some of us men are so upset. The videos give a clear voice to the growing feeling that some people - women mostly - think it is OK to rant and talk down on men.
"Shame on you Ms Steen" - not to understand this.Jun 10 2013: Dear Pär Jönsson,
I do not accept the "shame" you are trying to give to me. Perhaps it is your own shame?
The first video shows a man using abusive, offensive language. Rather than reinforcing abuse, it would be helpful if that man was part of the solution, rather than part of the problem....as Jackson Katz suggests.
I'm not sure why some of you men are so upset at a talk, which clearly says that both men AND women can be part of the solution.Jun 10 2013: Good points Edward.
"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person doing it".
(Chinese Proverb)
It appears that this discussion was started for the purpose of criticizing Katz, which doesn't make any sense, nor does it provide anything of value toward dealing with violence and abuse in our world.
Jun 10 2013: Like any of us, Mr. Katz is open to criticism. I think he is trying to contribute to a solution, or, as your proverb would say, he is trying to "do it" while Andreas N. by questioning the assumption of male causation, is saying "it can't be done (that way)". I think both of the contenders are focused on factors not immediately helpful to victims and that's OK I guess, even though I would prefer asset (Time, Thought, Communication, etc.) expenditures more focused on putting-out the fire. Thanks for sharing the proverb! Be well Ms. Steen.
Jun 11 2013: I agree Edward, that anyone is open to criticism, even when effectively contributing to a solution.
In this discussion, however, we are seeing arguments, including, "almost no men are violent in practice", which is a total denial of facts.
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Jun 9 2013: Zx it would be interesting to have a cite to your statictics. I agree that this can become male bashing, but problems should be dealt with. I do know that women file most divorces, but I do not believe one gender group is better or worse than the others in this area. I do believe that the ladies are more articulate. That brings me to a war story that I won't tell.Jun 13 2013: I urge others to listen to this TEDxTalk by Joe Ehrmann.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVI1Xutc_WsJun 10 2013: RE: your response: "See my posts higher up. . . ". If statistics show males to be a prime contributor to abusive behavior then that problem deserves to be accepted as reality and a solution sought. To use that statistic to say ALL males are prime contributiors to abusive behavior is both illogical and unintelligent. Are you saying Mr. Katz is guilty of applying data true of a small segment of a group (males) to all of the group? It should be clarified immediately whether you are, or are not, making that accusation! I hope you agree and comply. Thank you!
Jun 10 2013: I think I may see where the misunderstanding arose. Katz refers to the male perpetrator as being normal in other ways, which perhaps someone might construe as saying that such behaviors are normal for males. I do not think this is where Katz was going. Obviously most males are not violent toward their partners!
I understood his using the idea of a perpetrator as being "otherwise normal" to suggest that the perpetrator should not be considered an incorrigible psychopath. Rather he suggests that one can work through the culture people are in to effect change successfully.
I think Tom Peters wrote that we become more and more like the six people with whom we interact most. If this is true, a bystander-type strategy should have some potential in organizations in which people are tightly connected.
Katz happens to focus on male aggression and works in organizations that involve a high proportion of men. I don't think this suggests that he believes there is no aggression by females. It is just not his particular focus.
It may be kind of like the way someone's being a grade school teacher doesn't mean she thinks high school is not important, or someone who is an ENT surgeon should not be assumed to believe that orthopedic surgery is not important.
I did not hear Katz suggesting that bystander interventions would not work for addressing the problem of violence by women- only that he uses them among men. In fact, in anti-bullying programs in schools, we use bystander-based strategies to address bullying regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.
Jun 10 2013: My perception:
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http://ekspoze.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/fascism-joker.jpgJun 10 2013: I am very surprised TED has allowed this discussion to continue....it does not seem very productive.Jun 9 2013: Dear TED why are you removing my replies? My first reply to Katz with all references and what not has been removed. How can one debate when one is censored?
Jun 9 2013: TED admins don't and won't censor you. They do make an effort to delete posts that violate the terms of use. You might want to review your post to make sure you are not making personal attacks, for example, but rather focus on the topic at hand and present evidence on the topic.
You can find the link to the terms of use on this page to check your post against them before you post your material.
Jun 9 2013: Regardless, one is "censored" when your on topic posts are removed. Didnt even get an email about the removal so have no copy of the post. Will have to rewrite it.
Jun 9 2013: It's there sandbox, and as such, these comments belong to them.Jun 9 2013: How did TED allow this conversation to be added? Can someone answer that for me. This is so riddle with questionable opinion that one wonders whether to dignify it by engaging in the discussion.
Please provide the research for your claims such as "homosexual women hit their spouses more."
Jun 9 2013: Theodore this is not as way out as it seems. When I was a divorce lawyer I did represent two battered men and several battered women. This is something that will be opinion except we know that about 10% of men often drink too much and at least 10% if women are bipolar. Then there are drunk women, bipolar men etc. etc. There are cultural and religious customs that encourage female dependancy, but that doesn't seem economically possible now. Stereotypes can be misleading. Everyone be nice to each other.Jun 9 2013: Unfortunately cannot locate those studies as of this time. Thaden and Rennon 2000 says 10.5 of women and 15% of men has suffered of same sex violence. However Thaden consistently seem to be skewed in comparison to other studies when it comes to victims.
The prevalence of partner violence among homosexuals are about the same as heterosexual relationships is the general consensus anyway.
Biggest issue with regards to these things is that the most studies are targetting lesbians and not homosexuals in general. The same issue exists with hetereosexuals where straight women are the primary targets of research and not both men and women.
All this skews the data.


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Oceanic Exploration - The Succulent Live Lobster, Crab, Giant Shrimp, Geoduck, Fish and More at Sea Harbour (Dinner) [Review] w/ Pics!
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In delivering some of the best Dim Sum in Southern California, Sea Harbour garners a lot of attention (and rightfully so). But there's been noticeably less consideration for its dinner service over the years, probably due to a variety of factors, but most notably the premium price tag. For myself, over the past ~4 years of eating at Sea Harbour for dinner, it's been the slightly inconsistent quality of some of their dishes (their Live Seafood has always been great) that has left me less enthused than I normally would be for a restaurant of this caliber. It had been a good 8+ months since I last returned to Sea Harbour, but thanks to the repeated, strong recommendations from Chowhound veteran ipsedixit, I decided to stop by for a visit recently and found a completely reinvigorated menu and kitchen.
Since Day 1, Sea Harbour has staked its reputation on delivering high-quality, premium Hong Kong-style Cantonese Cuisine, even though the location may not seem to match its aspirations (they're situated where the old Farrell's Ice Cream Parlour used to be on Rosemead). Over the years, ordering anything that doesn't involve Live Seafood has resulted in some great dishes, some average dishes and a few misses as well. Their menu began to look really mundane and beaten down (literally - they hadn't replaced their menus in years, with crossed out prices, etc.), but on a recent visit, they've completely revamped their menu (with gorgeous layouts) and dropped the majority of the non-Live Seafood items (which is a good thing). The new menu is more focused and apparently they ship off their kitchen staff to their main branch in Zhongshan, China (just across from Hong Kong), where they train with Executive Chef Ho Hui Dong once a year.
(Note: This is a comprehensive review of my multiple visits over the past 4 years at Sea Harbour.)
(Note 2: All English romanizations of Chinese dish names are spelled phonetically to help with pronunciation; thanks to my SGV Hounds for translation help. :)
The interior is brightly lit and nicer than most San Gabriel Valley eateries, but even with their recent remodeling, they aren't going to be winning any restaurant design awards anytime soon; there's still a strange choice of decor in various parts of the restaurant. But it's pleasant enough, and you're treated to a wall of fish tanks, showcasing the variety of Live Seafood they're selling for that day.
Sea Harbour offers a variety of down-to-earth, traditional Cantonese dishes if you're in the mood, with their Jiao Yen Hsien Yoh (Fried Squid in Salty Chili) being a good example.
It's a slightly thick, crunchy batter, with a salty brininess and notes of Green Onions and hot Chilies complementing each bite. The Squid has been cooked just right each time I've ordered it over the years; a solid rendition of this classic dish.
Another humble dish that the kitchen gets right is the Tsong Tsai Zheng Rou Bing (Marinated Ground Pork Steamed with Preserved Vegetables).
The Ground Marinated Pork isn't too dense, with a pleasant, hearty, savory quality. The Preserved Vegetables impart a fragrant, salty-tart undertone that helps to break up the flavors of the Steamed Ground Pork. Delicious. :)
Although sometimes, Sea Harbour's aim to elevate dishes doesn't always work out, as in their Mei Tsai Rou Song Zheng Tsai Dahn (Ground Meat Steamed with Salted Vegetables).
The dish tastes like it looks: Two distinct, disparate parts, with the Steamed Ground Pork with Preserved Vegetables tasting similar to the previous dish and simply sitting on top of Boiled Chinese Mustard Greens.
One of the best values on the menu that shows some of the elegant simplicity of the kitchen is their Hsieh Rou Yu Du Geng (Fish Maw and Crab Meat Soup).
It's a light, thick soup, with chunks of Crab and Fish Maw cooked with Eggs in a Homemade Chicken Broth. It's lightly oceanic, warming and the notes of White Pepper perk up each bite perfectly. :) (Note: Don't forget to add a touch of Red Rice Vinegar if you enjoy a little tartness to the savory soup.)
Another homely, classic dish is their Jiao Yen Rou Pai (Spicy Salted Pork Chops).
You're immediately hit with the aroma of Deep Fried Garlic and Chilies, which transitions to crispy, crunchy satisfying bites of Deep Fried Pork Chops. :) The only problem is that over the years, the kitchen has been inconsistent with this dish. Sometimes, it's spot-on, while other times, it tastes overcooked and/or muted. They have since removed this dish from the menu (with their new menu revamp), but can make it upon request.
Next up is their Bai Guo Fu Zhu Yoh Tsai (Gingko Nuts Sauteed with Tofu Skin and Chinese Flowering Cabbage).
This is another dish that feels less well-integrated than it should be, with silky, slippery layers of Tofu Skin pairing fine with the Yoh Tsai vegetables, but clashing with the bitter, pungent Sauteed Gingko Nuts.
On the first of my recent visits (after the revamped menu), there's a noticeable change, even in the staff and service: As we're seated, we're asked what kind of tea we'd like (in previous visits, we oftentimes had to ask for a certain tea, otherwise we were just given a generic blend). You can choose from Chrysanthemum, Pu-Erh, Jasmine, Asphodel, Iron Goddess of Mercy or Ju Bu (a combination of Chrysanthemum and Pu-Erh Teas). We opted for Chrysanthemum Flower Tea for this visit. :)
We're also provided an amuse bouche of Simmered Lotus Root, which is crisp, earthy and exhibits an irresistible snap. :)
So with the new, retooled menu, the focus is squarely (and should be) on the variety of Seafood dishes, especially their Live Seafood. One of the highlights is their Live Lobster, which can be prepared in a variety of new and classic ways (11 styles total!): Lobster Fruit Salad, Lobster Sashimi, Stewed with Garlic and Chinese Rice Wine, Baked with Cheese and Cream, Baked with Superior Stock, Sauteed with Egg Whites, Wok Fried with Spicy Sauce, Pan Fried with Salt & Chilies, Pan Fried with Salt & Chilies Hong Kong Style (Bi Fohng Tahng), In a Rice Soup, or Fried with Green Onions and Ginger.
We usually opt for Live Lobster, Fried with Green Onions and Ginger, which is excellent, lightly sauced, and the Lobster has consistently been cooked just through, vibrant and juicy. :) Live Lobster, Sauteed with Egg Whites is a lot lighter, but still delicious, for those wanting to enjoy just the pure essence of the Lobster.
But as much as I enjoy Lobster, it just pales in comparison to my all-time favorite preparation of Shrimp: Bai Zuo Hsia (Poached Live Giant Shrimp (listed as "Prawns" on the menu)).
It's another market price item that you order by the pound (in half pound increments if you so desire), and there's nothing else like them. It's poached in its shell, so you have to peel them yourself, but it's *so* worth it. (^_^)
After peeling away the shell, you gently dip the Poached Live Shrimp into their Light Soy Sauce-based dipping sauce laced with Green Onions and Chili and you've got near-perfection! It's meatier, more tender and naturally sweeter than Lobster; delicious! (^_^) Over the past 4 years, the kitchen has always been consistently great with this dish. It's easily my favorite Live Seafood item at any Hong Kong / Cantonese Seafood restaurant. :) And if you're lucky and get some of the Live Shrimp with Shrimp Roe, it becomes even more amazing. :)
Part of the refocusing of the menu at Sea Harbour is one of the smartest changes I've seen at any of the Hong Kong-style Cantonese restaurants: Requiring their Half and Whole Chicken dishes to be ordered in advance (1 day notice). This allows the kitchen to finally serve consistently *fresh* Roasted or Fried Chickens without the cost-cutting measures plaguing most local restaurants serving these dishes (namely, serving leftover Chickens (tasting like it's 1-2 days old, reheated)).
Sea Harbour has now focused on 3 specialty Chicken dishes that require 1 day advance notice to order, and we decide to try their Bao Wong Ji, which is a Poached Free-Range Chicken served with a Wok-Fried Light Soy Sauce, Ginger, Green Onions and Cilantro.
The use of Huang Mao Ji (literally Yellow Feather Chicken (Free Range Chicken)) can be off-putting to some who are used to a fattier, looser Chicken meat. The Huang Mao Chicken's meat is denser, tighter and leaner, but it tastes so fresh (since it's made for your table's order only), and vibrant. Even the Chicken Breast portion is juicy and moist. Excellent! :)
Not every new dish on the menu is a winner, unfortunately, like their Ching Jie Tsao Zhu Jing Rou (There is no English name listed on the menu, but it's essentially Pork Neck Meat Sauteed with Asparagus).
The actual Pork Neck Meat and Asparagus are of good quality. Everything tastes fresh, but it also tastes very straightforward and one note.
One of my favorite vegetable dishes might very well be their Zhu Sheng Bai Tsai Dahn (Bamboo Pith Sauteed with Bok Choy).
While I enjoy the classic pure vegetables sauteed with a bit of Garlic (they usually have a selection of 3 - 6 varieties of fresh vegetables available that day), having their Bok Choy sauteed with Bamboo Pith just makes a good vegetable dish even better. :) For those that've never tried Bamboo Pith, it's slightly springy and spongy (in good way), and has a unique mouthfeel. It provides a playful textural contrast with whatever Vegetable it's paired with, and in the case of the lightly sauteed Bok Choy, it becomes the perfect foil.
Continuing on, the Hai Hsien Tsao Mien (Assorted Seafood with Fried Crispy Noodles) arrive next.
The dish arrives with Shrimp, Squid, Scallops and Rock Cod atop a bed of Chow Mein using thin Egg Noodles. The Noodles are a bit too wet and soggy in the center, but the rest of the Noodles are deliciously crispy and crunchy. The Scallops, Squid, Rock Cod and Shrimp are all cooked just right, with a pleasing tenderness.
Perhaps the ultimate celebratory, special occasion dish at most Hong Kong-style Cantonese restaurants is a restaurant's Shark Fin Soup. I haven't found a great Shark Fin's Soup in So Cal, so I'm curious how Sea Harbour's turns out. With their new menu, Sea Harbour serves Shark Fin in a variety of ways, atop fresh Papaya, or the new Pan Fried Shark's Fin with Black Truffles (at $70 per person). But my guests and I decide on their purest presentation: Hohng Shao Da Bao Chi (Braised Premium Shark's Fin in Brown Sauce).
It thankfully turns out to be far less ostentatiously presented than the gaudy, fake gold bowls at Elite, and upon taking the first sip... leagues better. Shark Fin is mainly cartilage, so there's very little inherent taste. As a result, a great Shark Fin Soup is all about the quality of the Soup it's presented in. The Soup has a fragrant aroma and a delicate, balanced savoriness with a slight ocean breeze.
The Shark Fin itself is of excellent quality, a thick meaty texture and the Bean Sprouts are cooked through which is nice touch after the disaster at Elite. Overall, a solid rendition of Shark Fin Soup, and the best version I've found so far locally, but still a distant third compared to the Shark Fin Specialists I tried in Hong Kong and Taipei.
For Clam lovers, their Jio Tsai Hua Rou Fa Tsao Ge Rou (Clams Sauteed with Pork and Chinese Chives) turns out to be a pleasant surprise.
There's an enticing brininess from the Clams, balanced by the slivers of Fatty Pork and refreshing Chinese Chives. The use of Red and Green Chilies adds a mild spiciness with a slow burn, which makes this dish even more enjoyable.
Another surprise dish is their Hai Shen Bei Gu Uh Zhang Bao (Braised Sea Cucumber, Goose Web, Chinese Mushrooms Casserole).
The Sea Cucumber is light and pliable, yet still retains enough meaty firmness to give it a satisfying chew. The Braising Sauce shows restraint and is well-balanced, not too salty nor overpowering.
But it's the Braised Goose Web (Goose Feet) that are the biggest surprise. I enjoy Goose when I can find it at local restaurants, but the Goose Web reminds me of just how much deep, genuine Poultry flavor Goose meat can exhibit. There are a lot of bones, but the Goose Skin, bits of meat and Cartilage are wonderful. :)
One of Sea Harbour's greatest strengths is their Live Fish (but also their most expensive item on the menu depending on the type (after Live King Crab)). They usually stock 2 or 3 types of Fish, depending on supplies, but most of the time it's Live Tilapia, Live Red Cod and Live Australian Grouper. You should always check with your server to see what the market price is for a Live Fish if you're going to order one, to prevent sticker shock. While Sea Harbour's other prices seem fair, their Live Fish prices exceed even Elite's prices, with Live Australian Grouper selling for a whopping $79 per pound (with a 2 pound minimum, and many times, their fish can run 3+ pounds); paying ~$240 for 1 fish dish is a bit extreme.
I usually go with their Ching Zheng Hohng Bahn (Steamed Red Cod with Green Onion and Cilantro) at $30 per pound.
Tied with the Poached Live Shrimp as one of my favorite dishes would have to be Hong Kong-style Cantonese Steamed Fish. :) There's nothing better than tasting, succulent, flaky, bright chunks of very fresh Fish (live just minutes earlier), and Sea Harbour's version is flawless. :) The Red Cod is firm, yet supple, and beautifully matched with their wok-fried Light Soy Sauce, Green Onions and Cilantro. Add this atop some Steamed Rice and you have one of the most delicious bites in town. (^_^)
The nice thing about ordering a larger Live Fish, is that you get the option to have the Fish Head prepared as a separate dish. On one visit, we have them prepare it as a Sha Guo Yu Toh (Fish Head Casserole (in Clay Pot)).
They deep fry chunks of the Red Cod Fish Head, and quickly braise it with Tofu, Ginger, Garlic and Green Onions. While there's not a lot of meat in the Fish Head chunks, there's a lot of flavor, and the Tofu and Braising Liquid make it all the more satisfying. :)
Another winner is their Sheng Zha Miao Ling Guh (Deep Fried Tender Squab), which requires a 1 day advanced notice.
Presented on an adorably cheesy, heart-shaped platter, our 2 Squabs taste fresh, with a delightful, slightly crisped skin. The Squab meat also has a light gaminess which makes it more distinct and appetizing.
We also order their Suan Rohng Tsao Lu Shwun (Asparagus Sauteed with Garlic) to balance out all the meat dishes. :)
It's cooked just right, with a good firmness in the Sauteed Asparagus.
We finish up with another outstanding dish: Hsiang Bah Bahng (Live Geoduck, Sashimi Style).
Their Live Geoduck can be prepared a variety of ways (like all their Live Seafood): Sashimi, Flash Soaked, Poached, Scalded Oil, Wok Fried with Ginger, or in a Soup. The "head" of the Geoduck can be prepared Fried with Salt & Chilies, Stir Fried with Preserved Vegetables or in a Rice Soup.
Over the years, I've found that I enjoy a Sashimi style the most, which is what we ordered here. Sea Harbour's execution of Geoduck Sashimi is excellent. The Live Geoduck is really bright, clean with a slight crunch and inherently sweet. It's gorgeous on its own, without any need to dab it in the provided Soy Sauce and Wasabi. :)
The 2nd preparation for the Geoduck "Head" is a bit disappointing though: Jiao Yen Hsiang Bah Bahng (Geoduck Fried in Salt & Chili).
The Fried Garlic Chips mixed in with each bite of the Geoduck meat is undeniably delicious, but it's just way too salty, making it nearly inedible. It's probably the only dish I've had at Sea Harbour that was this overpowering.
Service during dinner at Sea Harbour has been decent. It's fine for a standard Chinese restaurant in the San Gabriel Valley, but in presenting itself as a premium, quality establishment, their service still has room to improve. When showing up for a banquet / party, the service is usually very good, with multiple servers checking in on the table, clearing plates promptly and providing new ones, etc. On some occasions, though, the service can be a bit slow at times, and you'll find yourself waving to get any server's attention to tend to your needs.
Prices range dramatically from ~$10.50 - Market Price (the highest I've seen is the $79 per pound for the Live Australian Grouper), with most Non-Live Seafood items in the ~$13 - 15 range. Our average cost per person has also fluctuated dramatically, all depending on what you order. On some visits (with no Live Seafood items), it can fall in the ~$25 per person (including tax and tip) range, while if you want to go all out with Live King Crab, Live Lobster, Shark Fin Soup, etc., you can easily get into the $200+ per person range.
Sea Harbour represents one of Southern California's best Hong Kong-style Cantonese Seafood restaurants. With the newly revamped menu, removal of many dishes that didn't work, and a better focus on quality above all else, there's much to celebrate at this San Gabriel Valley gem. While the execution could still use some polish (for their Non-Live Seafood items), it's the best we have in So Cal, and with their top notch preparations for Live Seafood (especially the Poached Live Giant Shrimp, Steamed Live Fish and Live Geoduck), and advanced order items like their Deep Fried Tender Squab, any of their 3 Whole Free-Range Chicken dishes, and more, Sea Harbour has firmly re-established itself as the go-to restaurant for a great Hong Kong-style Cantonese Seafood dinner.
*** Rating: 8.2 (out of 10.0) ***
Sea Harbour Seafood Restaurant (Hai Gahng Dah Jio Loh)
3939 N. Rosemead Blvd.
Rosemead, CA 91770
Tel: (626) 288-3939
Hours: [Dinner] 7 Days A Week, 5:00 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.
Sea Harbour Seafood Restaurant
3939 N. Rosemead Blvd., Rosemead, CA 91770, USA
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re: exilekiss
... thus my reason for the pilgrimage...
Another great review, EK. You bring to mind the fabulous steamed fish -- angelically white -- that I once had in Kowloon. Although it was cooked and served whole, it had the delicate texture of the lightest possible French quenelle, or perhaps even a pudding. Your steamed fish seemed to have a delicate but more-substantial texture (since it broke into flakes) -- is that correct?
Also, I've never had asparagus sauteed with garlic. Was that in the usually very garlicky style of green (or long) beans with garlic? The latter can be great because garlic is a good match for the slightly bitter taste of the beans, but I can't picture much-milder asparagus in this kind of preparation. Or was the garlic very light -- perhaps sauteed whole first and then removed before the asparagus was added?
re: hnsbmg
Hi hnsbmg,
Thank you. :) I loved the various Steamed Fish I had in Kowloon / Hong Kong as well. :) "Yes," the Red Cod used here is more substantial and meatier than the texture you're describing. It all depends on the type of fish used. I haven't tried the Live Australian Grouper yet, so maybe that may be more delicate.
A good quality Grey Sole has a more delicate, airy texture like what you're describing, but they're usually shipped in frozen at local restaurants.
Re: Asparagus - Yah, outside of Hong Kong / Cantonese restaurants, I usually don't find Asparagus Sauteed with Garlic, but Sea Harbours is quite delicate. They use the Garlic sparingly (unless you request "extra Garlic" if you're a Garlic Fiend :). They also make it with Fermented Black Beans and Garlic (another popular preparation); that one is a bit more overpowering, which is why I prefer the simple Garlic prep.
Let us know if you end up going. :)
Most people don't realize that Sea Harbour, like many of the other Hong Kong style banquet restaurants, are really much much better with their dinner menu than with dim sum. This includes of course the aforementioned Sea Harbour, as well as places like Elite, Empress Harbor, Ocean Star, etc.
Sea Harbour Seafood Restaurant
3939 N. Rosemead Blvd., Rosemead, CA 91770, USA
re: ipsedixit
Hi ipsedixit,
Thank you for prodding me to go back after a slight hiatus. :) I really like what they've done with the new menu and dishes. :)
Yah, great point: All the Hong Kong Cantonese Seafood restaurants' anchor is usually their dinner menu.
BTW, have you ever had the Sea Turtle Soup at Sea Harbour? I'm curious how that tastes.
re: exilekiss
"BTW, have you ever had the Sea Turtle Soup at Sea Harbour? I'm curious how that tastes."
If that is the case (that they are serving sea turtle) it's obvious they haven't heard about or learned anything from the recent experience of the (no longer in business) Hump restaurant in Santa Monica and it's whale meat debacle.
re: Servorg
Eat it before it goes extinct.
re: Servorg
Don't worry - they use farmed turtles.
re: J.L.
Farmed sea turtles? Are those pens next to the farmed whale pens?
See (or Sea?): http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/wildlife...
re: Servorg
Farmed turtles. I have reasons to believe the word "sea" is a typo on the menu. I think they're setting a trap for the PETA people...
re: Servorg
Hi Servorg,
I don't want to get my facts mixed up, but to clarify:
1. It may not be sea turtle, but farmed turtles. I'm only guessing they're "sea turtles" since Sea Harbour and all these HK / Cantonese restaurants specialize in seafood, but... a question for all the Chinese Cuisine Hounds:
* Are the old-time Chinese Turtle Soups (I had it a couple times at my friends' families' kitchens when I was a kid) made with freshwater or ocean or farmed turtle?
2. It's not on the menu; but they used to have it and I think you can still special order it.
3. Oh, and I saw some of these big Turtles at Hawaii Supermarket on Valley. Are those freshwater or farmed or sea?
re: exilekiss
That's a good question. I recall in some Taiwanese soap dramedy that at the turtles used for the soups were referred to as "biang" or something like that, and were of the soft shell variety, and the vendor lady was snickering at the old dude who bought it as she thought he wanted to get lucky that night from making it into a soup...
re: exilekiss
As far as I know all the sea turtles used in Chinese restaurants are farmed.
Also, one has to be careful, as is the case with "shark's fin" sometimes in "turtle soup" you get instead alligator meat.
re: ipsedixit
Quick question: I'm assuming the shark's fin soup served here is the real deal, hence the high price? If that's the case, I can't bring myself to dine at Sea Harbour; I am no activist by any stretch of the imagination but I do draw one line at shark fin. This would be a huge disappointment for me, as I'd been interested in trying their dim sum as well as dinner menu. Oh well.
re: buttermarblepopcorn
Hi buttermarblepopcorn,
Totally understand your stance. "Yes," unfortunately most authentic HK / Cantonese Seafood restaurants in the SGV (including Sea Harbour) serve "the real deal" for Shark Fin.
re: exilekiss
They also offer fake ones upon request, or usually it's the cheapest sharks fin offering on the menu.
But if you are opting for faux version, I would suggest you just order another type of soup. There are so many good options on the menu, I don't think you should have to "settle" for a poser version of the real deal.
As an aside, the bigger concern is usually being charged for shark fin, but served a bowl of the faux kind ...
re: buttermarblepopcorn
Don't bother with fake shark fin. Just go with another type of soup or dish.
re: raytamsgv
I get the distinct impression it's not about soup choices other than shark fin. It seems to be about not patronizing restaurants that offer the choice of (authentic) shark fin soup on their menu.
re: Servorg
Almost all dim sim places are really Cantonese seafood restaurants, so that may mean skipping them altogether. Those that aren't seafood restaurants usually don't serve good dim sum.
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"Those that aren't seafood restaurants usually don't serve good dim sum."
Short of places like Dim Sum Express and Yum Cha Cafe, are there any dim sum places that aren't Canto seafood restaurants?
And, no, Mr. Chow's does not count.
And Din Tai Fung (for the umpteenth time) is not a dim sum place.
Dim Sum Express
326 N Garfield Ave, Monterey Park, CA 91754
re: ipsedixit
Does Jasmine Cafe count?
re: Porthos
I don't even think Mr. Chow would count Jasmine Cafe as serving dim sum (good or bad).
Mr. Chow
344 N. Camden Dr., Beverly Hills, CA 90210
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I confirm ipse's statement: All farmed. Just saw the signs for the turtles while I was buying some live botan ebi at Hawaii Supermarket last weekend!
re: exilekiss
I'm actually more upset about Hawaii Supermarket's parking lot fruit juice stand not carrying sugarcane juice anymore. That sucks.
re: exilekiss
The Bahn Mi Che Kali on Valley has it.
re: exilekiss
Do you like the Caldo de Cana at Cafe Brasil, Exile? Do they add a touch of lemon like they do in Brazil?
re: exilekiss
I've had the sea turtle soup there once, many moons ago. Was not a fan, but then I'm generally not a fan of sea turtle soup so I might not be a good barometer.
Oh, and did you ask them to reserve your shrimp heads for you? They'll deep-fry them and paired with the soy-chili sauce, they're like eating candy ...
re: ipsedixit
Hi ipsedixit,
Ack! I forgot to ask them to save the Shrimp Heads again. :( I'm going to make a note right now... I can't wait to try the Fried Shrimp Heads. :) Thanks.
re: ipsedixit
The fried heads are an extra special treat when the females still have their eggs in the back of the head and hasn't laid them yet.
re: huaqiao
Botan ebi roe is a taste that's up there with crab roe.
re: huaqiao
Hi huaqiao,
Yes it is. :) Although when there's Roe present, I'd rather eat it poached, off the head, and then let them fry it after. :)
re: huaqiao
In my shrimp heads there was the yellow roe, but there also was this raspberry colored vein/liquid substance that was also in the heads. Only in the VERY large shrimps this was present. Maybe my eyes deceived my tastebuds, but it almost tasted like raspberry as well! Do you know what this is?
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"but there also was this raspberry colored vein/liquid substance that was also in the heads. Only in the VERY large shrimps this was present. Maybe my eyes deceived my tastebuds, but it almost tasted like raspberry as well! Do you know what this is?"
Shrimp brains.
re: ipsedixit
well then it's official, I love shrimp brain :) thanks!
re: ipsedixit
That's so true. The best measure of those restaurants is how well they make their dinners, not dim sum.
Before you crown Sea Harbour, try the live alaskan king crab 2 ways when it is back in season at Elite.
When in season, it's readily available at Elite but requires special order at Sea Harbor. The crab 2 ways at Elite was amazing. The legs steamed with garlic, the body sauteed perfectly with ginger and scallions. As good as my all time favorite version at Koi palace in SF.
I had to cancel once at Sea Harbour due to a family emergency after ordering such a beast (cancelled 24 hours in advance). The next time I was there 3 months later, they recognized my name and gave me subpar service because of it. They even mentioned how they were unable to sell said beast and thus lost out.
It was quite low class of them IMO and since then, will not go back to Sea Harbour. I realize its a rare story but it was handled quite poorly.
re: Porthos
Hi Porthos,
My condolences on your experience with the waitstaff at Sea Harbour; that's horrible. :( I don't blame you for not wanting to return, sigh. I agree that sounds petty of them to hold a grudge like that. Bummer.
For Elite, I wrote about it a while back... I've generally enjoyed more dishes, more of the time at Sea Harbour than Elite, but I've never tried the Live King Crab 2 Ways. That sounds lovely. :) Now if I can only find some friends to join me (most of them either prefer Live Giant Shrimp, Abalone, Geoduck and/or Lobster over Crab (but King Crab should sway them over... :).
Also, do you remember the price for Live King Crab? Thanks.
re: exilekiss
King crab was around $40 a lb. I remember it being about $5-10/lb cheaper than Sea Harbour. I try to go 7lbs and up since the smaller ones have much less meat in the legs. This is one crustacean where bigger is better. Unlike lobster, the meat is sweeter and not tough in the bigger versions. Caveat is that I've never gone over 10lbs.
Trust me, live king crab trumps any type of shrimp or abalone or lobster (maine, australian, local, or otherwise). The meat is sweeter and more delicate than any of the aforementioned.
If you're ever in the bay area for king crab season, try the version at Koi Palace. The legs are fried salt and pepper style and the body is steamed with garlic and konnyaku noodles. Awesome.
re: Porthos
Hi Porthos,
Thanks for the rec. :) You just reminded me of a conversation I had with our waiter at Sea Harbour (on my last visit (w/ their new menu)): They don't require advanced notice on Live King Crab any more. The waiter said they'll get some in (very limited availability) and you just order it if they have it. (But that service snafu you ran into is still unfortunate.)
So for a 7 - 10 pound Live King Crab, roughly how many people did that feed? I'm curious how much of the weight is shell / water and how much final King Crab meat you're left with (just so I know how many of my friends to wrangle to join me :).
The preparation you describe really sounds awesome. Thanks.
re: exilekiss
A 10 pound King Crab is good for a table of ten, assuming you order other things of course.
That said, I've been known to dust off a 10 pounder by myself with my closest friend easily. That and a plate of fresh pea sprouts and a person lacks nothing else for a good 1 hour or so.
re: exilekiss
My entire family eats a lot. So the 7-10 lb crab feeds the 5 of us. We also get a vegetable dish, a chicken dish, and a steamed fish. Obviously we over do it a bit but a 7-10 lb crab should feed 5 comfortably. You can always supplement with other dishes if you have a larger group or if it doesn't look like it'll be enough. There is a very generous amount of meat on a 7-lb king crab though.
Actually, it's not a policy change so much as a policy addendum. I'm guessing that implies you can't order it in advance now and that you can only order it if they have it. Possibly due to said incident. Not sure why their supply is so much more limited than Elite's who has it almost every day during season.
re: Porthos
By the way, you can also get King Crab on demand at Happy Harbour in Rowland Heights.


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Breaks from college aren't all about relaxing for Chantilly's Nikki Ferraro.
The James Madison University sophomore often spends her breaks and weekends at home attending board meetings and fundraisers for the nonprofit she founded while still in high school.
Bite Me Cancer marked its second full year of operation last week, with Ferraro outlining her goals for 2013, which include completing a $50,000 fundraising effort to sponsor a research grant.
The foundation has two focus areas: backing thyroid cancer research and providing support to teens who are diagnosed with cancer. Both draw on Ferraro's own experiences.
In April 2010, Ferraro was diagnosed with Sporadic Medullary Thyroid Cancer. Despite her parents' objections, she formed a Relay for Life team two weeks later and raised $5,000 just within the first three days, and about $20,000 by the time of the event.
Her Relay team had the cheeky name "Bite Me Cancer," complete with custom T-shirts and wristbands that she used as part of her fundraising efforts.
"I wanted to continue," Ferraro said, and she began bugging her parents to help her start a nonprofit foundation and continue raising money.
"Eventually, we caved in," said Nikki's mother, Sharon Ferraro.
They initially thought it would be a small project to keep Nikki busy, but soon found that their friends and business contacts were happy to help support the cause with pro bono web design, legal help and other professional services.
Bite Me Cancer, formed in September 2010, now has a 15-member board and is involved in several initiatives.
The biggest goal of the organization is to provide support for teens who have cancer; support that Ferraro wished she had after she was diagnosed and going through treatments. She found that existing support services were geared toward adults or young children.
"I got a gift bag when I was diagnosed that had coloring books and other things that I couldn't benefit from," she said.
Working with partner organizations, including Inova Health System, Bite Me Cancer provides bags for teens that include items like a USB drive with Nikki Ferraro's story, an iTunes gift card, playing cards and items like a water bottle with the Bite Me Cancer logo.
They also support a private Facebook page where teens with cancer can network and get support from others who are going through similar experiences.
"Being a teenager is hard enough," Ferraro said, and a cancer diagnosis can be very isolating for teens.
"Teenagers face a lot of issues when they are diagnosed with cancer," said Holly Senn, a child life specialist at Inova. In addition to the things that other cancer patients struggle with, it can be hard for teens to miss out on special events like prom or other social activities with friends, she said.
The other big project that Bite Me Cancer is continuing to work on in 2013 is an effort to raise $50,000 to fund a two-year research grant for younger scientists working on thyroid cancer treatments or cures.
In 2012, the organization raised more than $20,000 of that money, in part with the help of local business sponsors like Paisano's Pizza.
From Sept. 18 to Nov. 13, Paisano's gave $1 from every large pizza sold on Tuesdays to Bite Me Cancer, raising more than $12,700.
"When I first met [Nikki], she was such an inspiration," said Paisano's owner Fouad Qreitem. "I was blown away."
At the Jan. 3 kickoff event, Qreitem pledged to continue supporting Bite Me Cancer in 2013.
The pizza campaign also had an unexpected effect on Raina Tomlinson, a Fairfax resident and thyroid cancer survivor who said she bottled up her anxiety about her cancer because her doctor treated it as if thyroid cancer was not a big deal. Because thyroid cancer has a higher survival rate than other types of cancer, it is sometimes called "the good cancer."
When Tomlinson ordered a pizza and saw the flier about the thyroid cancer fundraiser, "something clicked inside my brain," she said. "The biggest thing is that I learned I wasn't alone."
Tomlinson quickly got involved with Bite Me Cancer and is now a member of the group's advisory committee.
"It's opened so many doors for me, personally," she said.
Correction: The original version of this story contained an incorrect date.


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In altitude, the resorts of Alt St. Johann, Unterwasser and Wildhaus are the highest communities in Toggenburg and are nestled between the mighty Säntis massif and the seven Churfirsten.
Romantic mountain lakes that are irresistible to swimmers, hiking routes full of adventure such as the Toggenburg Sagenweg (fable trail) and the Klangweg (sound trail), a supervised and varied children's and visitors' programme, wildlife observation, visits to an Alpine dairy, donkey riding, lama trekking and a host of other offers.
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5 Interactive Music Videos To Watch Now
In a world where anyone can create a music video with a camera and a YouTube account, the competition to create compelling videos is a whole lot steeper. Advancement in technology and evolving video techniques have made interactivity one of the coolest ways to make your music video stand out from the pack. Artists such as The Red Hot Chili Peppers, Cold War Kids, and Arcade Fire are blowing us away with their innovative music videos that allow you to take control of the music experience.
As technology continues to evolve we're sure we'll continue to be amazing by what's to come. Check out the list above to get your click on with five of the best interactive videos right now.
1. Jacques Greene, "On Your Side" (feat. How To Dress Well)
Jacques Greene, a young producer from Montreal, Canada sets the bar high with an interactive video for his new song "On Your Side" featuring How To Dress Well. It features not one but five videos in various shapes and sizes that you can drag and rearrange to your liking as you take in the stunning visuals.
2. Red Hot Chili Peppers, "Look Around"
In the chaotic "Look Around" music video, you get to click and drag the cursor from room to room and see what the members of Red Hot Chili Peppers are up to. Hint? They get a little crazy.
Click here to watch the Red Hot Chili Peppers "Look Around" video.
3. OK Go + Philobolus, "All Is Not Lost"
In the video for OK Go's "All Is Not Lost" you get to create a message that will show up on the screen through the band's choreography. The one pictured above is the default message, isn't that weird? (Just kidding.)
4. Arcade Fire, "We Used To Wait"
The Arcade Fire's "We Used To Wait" video tries to take you back to your childhood home by tracking the home you grew up in using Google maps. Hi mom!
5. Cold War Kids, "I've Seen Enough"
The Cold War Kids' "I've Seen Enough," video allows you to pick which instruments are played throughout the video creating a unique listening experience every time you watch. The only thing that could make this video cooler? A tuba player.Click here to watch Cold War Kids' "I've Seen Enough" video.


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My father, sister and I sat in the near-empty Chinese restaurant, picking at our plates, unable to avoid the question that we'd gathered to discuss: When was it time to let Mom die?
It had been a grueling day at the hospital, watching — praying — for any sign that my mother would emerge from her coma. Three days earlier she'd been admitted for nausea; she had a nasty cough and was having trouble keeping food down. But while a nurse tried to insert a nasogastric tube, her heart stopped. She required CPR for nine minutes. Even before I flew into town, a ventilator was breathing for her, and intravenous medication was keeping her blood pressure steady. Hour after hour, my father, my sister and I tried talking to her, playing her favorite songs, encouraging her to squeeze our hands or open her eyes.
Doctors couldn't tell us exactly what had gone wrong, but the prognosis was grim, and they suggested that we consider removing her from the breathing machine. And so, that January evening, we drove to a nearby restaurant in suburban Detroit for an inevitable family meeting.
My father and sister looked to me for my thoughts. In our family, after all, I'm the go-to guy for all things medical. I've been a health care reporter for 15 years: at the Dallas Morning News, the Los Angeles Times and now ProPublica. And since I have a relatively good grasp on America's complex health care system, I was the one to help my parents sign up for their Medicare drug plans, research new diagnoses and question doctors about their recommended treatments.
In this situation, like so many before, I was expected to have some answers. Yet none of my years of reporting had prepared me for this moment, this decision. In fact, I began to question some of my assumptions about the health care system.
I've long observed, and sometimes chronicled, the nasty policy battles surrounding end-of-life care. And like many health journalists, I rolled my eyes when I heard the phrase "death panels" used to describe a 2009 congressional proposal that would have allowed Medicare to reimburse physicians who provided counseling to patients about living wills and advance directives. The frenzy, whipped up by conservative politicians and talk show hosts, forced the authors of the Affordable Care Act to strip out that provision before the bill became law.
Politics aside, I've always thought that the high cost of end-of-life care is an issue worthy of discussion. About a quarter of Medicare payments are spent in the last year of life, according to recent estimates. And the degree of care provided to patients in that last year — how many doctors they see, the number of intensive-care hospitalizations — varies dramatically across states and even within states, according to the authoritative Dartmouth Atlas.
Studies show that this care is often futile. It doesn't always prolong lives, and it doesn't always reflect what patients want.
In an article I wrote for the Los Angeles Times in 2005, I quoted a doctor saying: "There's always one more treatment, there's always one more, 'Why don't we try that?'... But we have to realize what the goals of that patient are, which is not to be in an intensive-care unit attached to tubes with no chance of really recovering."
That made a lot of sense at the time. But did it apply to my mom?
We knew her end-of-life wishes: She had told my dad that she didn't want to be artificially kept alive if she had no real chance of a meaningful recovery. But what was a real chance? What was a meaningful recovery? How did we know if the doctors and nurses were right? In all my reporting, I'd never realized how little the costs to the broader health care system matter to the family of a patient. When that patient was my mother, what mattered was that we had to live with whatever decision we made. And we wouldn't get a chance to make it twice.
As my mom lay in the ICU, there was no question that her brain function was worrisome. In the hours after she was revived, she had convulsions, known as myoclonus, which can happen if the brain lacks oxygen. After that, she lay still. When the neurologist pricked her with a safety pin, she didn't respond. When he touched her corneas, they didn't reflexively move.
I began checking the medical literature, much like I do as a reporter. I didn't find anything encouraging. Studies show that after 72 hours in a coma caused by a lack of oxygen, a patient's odds of recovery are slim to none. I asked my writing partner in New York to do additional research. She, too, found nothing that would offer much hope.
But couldn't my mom beat the odds? Harriet Ornstein was a feisty woman. At age 70, she had overcome adversity many times before. In 2002, weeks before my wedding, she was mugged in a parking lot and knocked to the pavement with a broken nose. But she was there to walk me down the aisle — black eyes covered by makeup. She had Parkinson's disease for a decade, and in 2010 she suffered a closed head injury when a car backed into her as she walked down a handicapped ramp at the drugstore. Mom persevered, continuing rehabilitation and working to lead as normal a life as possible. Might she not fight through this as well?
Truth be told, I was already somewhat skeptical about physician predictions. Just last summer, my dad's heart stopped, and it took more than 10 minutes of CPR to revive him. Doctors and nurses said a full neurological recovery was unlikely. They asked about his end-of-life choices. Mom and I stayed up late talking about life without him and discussing the logistics of his funeral. But despite it all, he rebounded. He was home within weeks, back to his old self. I came away appreciative of the power of modern medicine but questioning why everyone had been so confident that he would die.
Also weighing on me was another story I wrote for the Los Angeles Times, about a patient who had wrongly been declared brain-dead by two doctors. The patient's family was being urged to discontinue life support and allow an organ-donation team to come in. But a nursing supervisor's examination found that the 47-year-old man displayed a strong gag-and-cough reflex and slightly moved his head, all inconsistent with brain death. A neurosurgeon confirmed her findings.
No one was suggesting that my mom was brain-dead, but the medical assessments offered no hint of encouragement. What if they were off-base, too?
Over dinner at the Chinese restaurant, we made a pact: We wouldn't rush to a decision. We would seek an additional medical opinion. But if the tests looked bad — I would ask to read the actual clinical reports — we would discontinue aggressive care.
A neurologist recommended by a family acquaintance came in the next morning. After conducting a thorough exam, this doctor wasn't optimistic, either, but she said two additional tests could be done if we still had doubts.
If more tests could be done, my dad reasoned, we should do them. My sister and I agreed.


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Komona is only 12 years old when she is kidnapped by rebel soldiers and enslaved to a life of guerrilla warfare in the African jungle. Forced to commit unspeakable acts of brutality, she finds hope for survival in protective, ghost-like visions, and in a tender relationship with a fellow soldier named Magician. Together, they manage to escape the rebels' clutches, and a normal life finally seems within reach. But after their freedom proves short-lived, Komona realizes she must find a way to bury the ghosts of her past.
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Tuesday, October 21, 2003Johnson City, Tenn. (October 21, 2003) - East Tennessee State used a record-breaking performance to sweep Chattanooga in Southern Conference volleyball action from Brooks Gym on Tuesday. Despite hitting just .235 as a team, the Buccaneers pounded home 62 kills on the evening, breaking a team record of 60 that was set back in 1992, as ETSU knocked off the Mocs by scores of 30-26, 30-27, and 30-23. With the victory, ETSU redeems a 3-0 loss at Chattanooga back on Sept. 17. The Mocs, who came into the match tied with Appalachian State atop the north division standings, fall to 6-4 in league play and an even 11-11 overall. Meanwhile, ETSU (5-17, 3-7 SoCon) started the second half its conference schedule with a big win at home. "It was a very important win, because it was an inter-division match up," said first-year head coach Lindsey Devine. "We came to compete tonight, and hopefully this will build some momentum and confidence." Junior Karen Freeburg (New Castle, Ind.) paced the Buccaneers with 15 kills on the offensive end, while freshman Natalie Pittenger (Gaston, Ind.) picked up a career-high 28 digs. Freeburg also contributed 14 digs in recording one of two double-doubles for ETSU. The other belonged to sophomore Sara Scandiffio (Purcellville, Va.), who registered 14 kills and 14 digs to go along with a torrid .458 attack percentage. "Sara came in and contributed in a big way," said Devine. "She had to step in at a very crucial time, and was right on her game, offensively and defensively. But tonight was just a total team effort." Sophomore setter Kristi Robinson (Knoxville, Tenn.) was one assist shy of tying a school record for assists in a three-game match. Robinson tallied 56 assists on the night, which is just one short of Carey Cavanaugh's mark of 57 set back on Sept. 21, 2001. Chattanooga's Kari Krouse led the Mocs with 14 kills and 16 digs. Krouse, the SoCon's all-time leader in service aces was held in check on the serving end, but made up for her lack of aces with a team-high six blocks. Kelley Smith totaled eight kills on 14 attacks and only one error, while racking up a hitting percentage of .500; however, the Mocs hit just .188 as a team in the loss. The Mocs will follow ETSU down to Charleston, S.C. this weekend for a pair of conference matches against south division foes. ETSU will play at The Citadel on Friday, Oct. 24 and College of Charleston on Saturday, Oct. 25. Meanwhile, Chattanooga will play at The Citadel on Saturday, Oct. 25, before pairing up against the Cougars on Sunday, Oct. 26.
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Following in the wake of the hugely successful The Darkness video game and the summer's smash hit, First Born, The Darkness returns in a brand new ongoing series by Phil Hester (Deep Sleeper, Green Arrow) and Michael Broussard (Unholy Union)! Irrevocably changed by the events of First Born, Jackie Estacado has relocated to the secluded nation of Sierra Muñoz. But every paradise has dark secrets under the surface. And what does the mysterious Professor Kirchner s