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Frequently Asked Questions
Where is the Yukon?
The Yukon is in northwestern Canada. It sits between the Canadian province of British Columbia and the Arctic Ocean, with Alaska to the west and the Northwest Territories to the east. The Arctic Circle crosses through the Yukon. Use our North American Map and Yukon Regional Map to help you find your way to Yukon fun.
Is the Yukon part of Alaska or Canada?
Yukon is a territory in Canada. Canada has three territories and 10 provinces.
What is there to do in the Yukon?
Where do we begin? There are unlimited things to do in the Yukon, from outdoor adventures and iconic drives to festivals and events and historic sites to visit. Your clients will be spoiled for choice on your Yukon vacation.
When is the best time to come to the Yukon?
Many of our visitors enjoy the summer in Yukon (late May to September) while others prefer the Yukon's winter sports and natural phenomenon such as the northern lights (October to April). Whenever your clients come, there will be plenty for them to do. From hiking to paddling in the summer to dog sledding and cross-country skiing in the winter, you can find the activities which fit your clients' pace, style of travel and budget. And don't forget to check our Yukon Events Calendar to check for events of festivals that are happening during your clients' visit.
What's the easiest way to get to the Yukon?
The easiest way to get to the Yukon is by air, with daily scheduled flights from Vancouver, Calgary and Edmonton. Flying time from Vancouver to Whitehorse is approximately 2.5 hours and just slightly longer from Calgary and Edmonton
Air Canada offers several services daily from Vancouver to Whitehorse
Air North, Yukon's Airline offers flights to Whitehorse from Vancouver, Kelowna, Yellowknife, Calgary, Edmonton and Ottawa.
It is also possible to drive or take a bus or coach tour from southern Canada. Or you can take a cruise or ferry up the British Columbia and Alaska coast and take a shorter bus or coach tour from BC or Alaska.
What about the Yukon's geography, topography and eco-systems?
Known for its wilderness landscapes, wildlife and striking natural phenomena, the Yukon is larger than life. This is a land rich with dramatic mountain vistas, wild rivers and crystal clear lakes. Southern Yukon has vast forests as far as the eye can see, and in North Yukon the tundra rolls on forever. The Yukon is a magical place. In summer, the midnight sun extends the fun into the wee hours and in winter your clients won't want to miss the mystery of the northern lights, which can be viewed from late August to April.
Is it still possible to find gold in the Yukon?
There's still plenty of gold out there! It's just a matter of looking in the right place. Tour companies in Dawson City offer gold panning tours. More serious prospectors need to check with Yukon Government about where you're permitted to pan.
What is accommodation like in the Yukon?
There are lots of comfortable accommodation options here in the Yukon. In addition to an excellent network of government and private campgrounds, the Yukon has high quality hotels, motels, wilderness lodges, cabins, bed and breakfasts and hostels.
Can my client bring their cell phone to the Yukon?
We have cell phone coverage in Whitehorse, Watson Lake, Dawson City and most of the other communities, but visitors will need to check with their own cell service provider to find out if their phone will work here. For the technically minded, the Yukon has CDMA (code division multiple access) service in Whitehorse and in 10 communities, HSPA in Whitehorse, Haines Junction, Watson Lake and Dawson City, and GSM-based phones will work in Whitehorse, but not outside city limits. Satellite phone networks are accessible across the Yukon and satellite phones can be rented in Whitehorse.
What are Yukoners like?
We're glad you asked! We like to think of ourselves as down to earth, funny, friendly and good-natured Canadians, and we're especially proud of where we live in Canada.
Is the Yukon always cold?
Definitely not. In summer, the Yukon is comfortably warm and sunny with temperatures often in the 20s. Summers are shorter and cooler than in southern Canada, with the peak summer period being mid-May to September. Daylight hours are longer, though. In some parts of the Yukon the midnight sun shines all night long. Only the highest mountains in the Yukon have snow all year. In most of the territory, there's usually no snow between the end of April and the end of October. Check the weather in the Yukon right now.
How big is the Yukon Territory?
At 483,450 square kilometres (186,661 square miles), the Yukon is larger than California and represents 4.8% of Canada's total land area. Of Canada's 10 provinces and three territories, the Yukon is the ninth largest. Despite its size, Yukon is easy to get around, with a network of well-maintained highways and plenty of places to stay to suit everyone's style. The capital of the Yukon, Whitehorse, is a lively, fun city where you can always find a friendly face, great places to eat and plenty of entertainment.
How many people live in the Yukon?
As of January 2006, there were 31,608 people living in the Yukon.
Will my clients see an igloo in the Yukon?
Afraid not. Inuit people, who traditionally build igloos, live in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut.
How do I rent a vehicle for my clients in the Yukon?
Whether it's a car, camper or RV you're looking for, you'll find a range of vehicle rental options in Whitehorse, the Yukon's capital. Your preferred local tour operators/wholesalers that sell Canada FIT products, will generally also offer vehicle rental in the Yukon.
Are there bears in the Yukon?
Yes. Yukon is home to healthy populations of grizzly and black bears. Suggest your clients read our bear safety tips and they'll feel right at home with them. The Yukon is lucky enough to have an impressive range of native wildlife including caribou, moose, wolves, wolverines, mountain sheep and lynx. Why not suggest your clients come to the Yukon for a wildlife viewing vacation?
What about those pesky bugs?
There can be blackflies and mosquitoes at certain times of the year, depending where you are in the Yukon and what the weather conditions are like. Find out how to ensure your clients stay bug free on their Yukon vacation.
What are the rules for tipping?
As in many other places, service is rarely included in hotel and restaurant bills in the Yukon. Typical tipping ranges from 10 to 15 per cent of the total bill.
What are the smoking laws in the Yukon?
Smoking is banned in most public areas, including all international and domestic flights, airport terminals, public transport, stores and office buildings. In a taxi, ask the driver. In Whitehorse, all restaurants, cafés and bars are non-smoking.
Do my clients need any vaccinations to come to the Yukon?
No. No vaccinations are required for travel in the Yukon.
Can my clients bring any electrical appliances?
Yes, as long as they're compatible with our electrical voltage here in the Yukon—110AC 60 cycles with two flat-pin outlets.
What is the Foreign Convention and Tour Operator Incentive Program or "FCTIP"?
Tour operators, wholesalers and MICE companies should can get up to date information regarding GST rebates here: http://www.corporate.canada.travel/docs/industry_update/FCTIP_Info_Circular_080507.pdf
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About The Wood Brothers
Sometimes, siblings are so close they often can't stand to be separated. Other times, they feel the urge to grow apart. In some cases, they end up together again.
This is the story of Oliver and Chris Wood – aka the Wood Brothers – who grew up in Boulder, Colorado and left the area after graduating high school. Oliver went off to Atlanta, Georgia while Chris ended up in New York. The former, a guitarist, had taken up songwriting and formed the blues-based King Johnson, an outfit which toured the Southern circuit. Chris, on the other hand, began playing jazz and rock in New York and was later part of the trio Medesk, Martin & Wood.
When Oliver and Chris came together again, especially at various family functions, they began combining their musical talents and jamming together. After about 15 years apart, the two finally performed at a show in North Carolina. Shortly thereafter, they began recording together and landed a contract with Blue Note Records.
The brothers, who had privately released the "Live at Tonic EP," finally saw the debut of their very first studio album, "Ways Not to Lose," in 2006. It featured Kenny Wollesen on five tracks, was produced by John Medeski and recorded at Allarie Studios in Shokan, New York. The project was not only the Amazon.com editors' number one pick in folk for that year, it also landed on National Public Radio's "Overlooked 11" list of 2006. The "Ways…" album has since been followed by four more studio efforts, including 2013's "The Muse."
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Why should we adopt morals?
Morals cannot be proven philosophically and are not needed for a stable society that already punishes people for doing things that are detrimental to our society. Morality only hinders us, as it makes us, as a country, (I'm in the USA) obligated to give money to poor countries and not torture terrorists who have crucial intelligence needed to ensure the national security.
Apr 14 2013: G'day Rajiv
Morals are needed for a stable structured civilised society & if we didn't have morals then raping little boys & girls & torturing your wife to death would be accepted, I wouldn't like to be in a society like that myself. Morals have there draw backs like anything else however I would rather this than immorality.
Apr 14 2013: I completely agree - the reason philosophy, moral reasoning and religious values have been spread for so long is because of the utmost importance of civilization realizing that the only way to betterment and happiness, which every society seeks, is through an understanding of right and wrong. This is basically the way I look at morals, they are a way of identifying and passing on the humanity of what is right and what is wrong.
Apr 14 2013: G'day Kendl
I'm not religious myself however I do proclaim myself to be spiritually aware, religion has it's place especially psychologically. Scientists have monitored people who pray & meditate or even sing hymns & found out the huge mental benefits of doing such things, it certainly wouldn't hurt main stream society that's for sure.
We need boundaries & books like the bible give us these moral boundaries not that I read the bible myself to any degree but I can se the huge benefits for anyone who is especially in need of moral guidance. Too many people read the bible as fact & forget the symbolic meaning of the bible & related books.
Apr 14 2013: Thanks for the response! I think in a similar manner that such as moral propositions or laws, particularly laws enacted from cases decided by court, are meant to provide a basis for which we can relate and understand the reality of moral reasoning, the bible is filled with lessons and applicable information to our lives even today; guidance by which we can learn and respect enough to follow/promote distribution.Apr 14 2013: The fact remains though, that we already have laws that prevent people from doing these things that are harmful to society and their fellow citizens.
Apr 14 2013: G'day Rajiv
Why do we have these laws in the first place? If it wasn't for morality in the first place we wouldn't have these laws that protect us.
So what you are saying is we shouldn't become anymore moral because it's stifling us? I would agree because in actual fact being too moral can hurt others more than it helps. If we take in consideration of the starving people of the world who we feed, which is fine in itself, what are these people doing now they have their fed? They breed more in an area of the world that can't obviously support such a population but what would happen if we stopped feeding these people for some reason? You would have even more people staring because of our moral obligation so what's the real moral answer here & what's moral & what's immoral in the long run?
Apr 14 2013: Of course we would still have laws. Laws are a way to ensure that a society can run smoothly, they don't necessarily have to be products of morality. I can be in favor of making murder illegal because if it was made legal society would most likely crumble because gangs and assassins would be killing many people turning society into a chaotic wasteland.Apr 14 2013: Imagine that you are chess player and you see a chess board setup. You might say, checkmate in 6 moves. Someone see this would wonder how you could know this. You might say it is just intuition, but it is really an automatic quick lookup on a subject you understand in depth.
If you see a person stealing a ladies purse, you might say that is wrong. How do you know that. It is because you we taught at a very young age that stealing is bad and later in life, you can apply this rule in an instant without thinking.
Our morals are rules that we adopt or are taught when we are young and apply without thinking from then on.
You can bypass your morals with some effort and a lot of rationalization by saying something like, this terrorist has information that we need so torture is acceptable in this case, even though you really know that it is wrong to torture people. If you stopped and actually used your mind rather than your quick lookup system (morals) you would realize that the information you obtain under torture is not reliable and not worth the effort.
Perhaps then you might also realize that claiming everything shitty you do to other people is for national security even though you know its is wrong.
Our morals are a quick index system into those values that we believe make us what we are. Our actions based on those morals tell others what we really are and our rationalizations around those morals also tell others what we really are.
Apr 14 2013: But not all info obtained under torture is unreliable, there are certain times in which doing actions that are against modern day morals may be beneficial. Besides, I don't understand, I never apply morals without thinking, I just know that if I were to do something considered "immoral" by society my reputation would decrease (even though I was taught morals by my parents). That's why I behave morally, it's rather artificial for me than it is natural to you. And with legal codes that prevent people form hurting each other and destroying society why would we need artificial, absolute morals that don't account for the fact that there are exceptions you must make in certain situations either for your own well being or for the well being of other people whom you have a responsibility to protect because they are fellow citizens.
Apr 15 2013: To quote former FBI Agent Jack Cloonan from a FRONTLINE program about Guantanamo, "[Everything] that I was told was that there was nothing coming out of there of any value, nothing."
Under duress, people will say anything.
Apr 15 2013: But then why would the U.S. keep Guantanamo open, and choose to continue to receive a lot of criticism for it? Torture may not work all the time, or even most of the time, but surely it has some value, governments may not admit it because it might make them look bad but their is still may be value. In addition, if you were being tortured, lying would only hurt you more, because if you lie, your torturers are bound to find out (by acting on your false intelligence) and that translates into more pain for you.Apr 14 2013: Interesting....in response, civilization obviously is a major factor in our formation of moral values, beginning with assimilation into societal regulation and knowledge of norms from birth. However, I also consider the universal consciousness in the way that all of the information we in this century have obtained and can learn/have learned from previous generations and previous societies most definitely creates a human reaction and moral subjectivity that certainly forces us to form a decision about what is right and what is wrong.
I think every human, unless unfortunately you are encumbered with some mental illness of psychopathy, has an inbred intuition that they either accept or deny once presented with a decision about what is right and what is wrong.
The whole idea of a legal system, of lawyers and statutes that state, for example, that such and such crime was committed in self defense, is a format and preparation for the exceptions.
Apr 15 2013: I would like to think that overall, civilization is moving forward in terms of enlightenment and for the most part, since we no longer burn witches to save their souls or hold blood sports in arenas, that is probably true.
Recent reversals on the part of modern islam shows that progress is not always a straight line path.
Apr 15 2013: I think humanity is definitely getting smarter, and I do think enlightenment/spirtuality and the additional attention more recent society has given to the great thinkers and spiritual teachers of the past has led us to a morally-aspiring sense of humanity.
Unfortunately when unfair leadership, inadequate resources or sustainability (starvation, no work/no hope) exists, morality seems to take to lacking. Our education and each countries contribution toward advancing technologically, spiritually, in all ways does help us move forward in terms of positivity and goodness in humanity.Apr 15 2013: I disagree, the law was probably inspired by people saying: "I want an environment in which I can succeed and limit the threat of people randomly stealing from me and forcing me to start all over again financially." Law can not only be seen as a moral entity but as a selfish one that people used to create a climate in which they could enrich themselves while being relatively safe.Apr 15 2013: But the fact remains, that our legal system doesn't have to rely on morals. Laws are just a way to weed out detrimental members of society do that they cannot do harm. People who kill out of self-defense are protected because they obviously don't present a threat to society.
Apr 15 2013: I can understand where you're coming from - the legal system is set up so that the people are protected from physical harm, greed, unfair business practice, etc.
If you consider the commonly known precursors leading to the need for an order of law and punishment - stealing/preventing theft, killing, marriage divorce court, neighborly fights (I'm imagining Judge Judy here)...etc., it is important to note that these things that are punishable in America are stated as certain moral values and given high value in philosophy and especially religion, as for example, the ten commandments.
How would we judge a case of two persons arguing about an issue if there was no moral basis or previous statute upon which to derive either a socially acceptable ideal or a fair judgment?Apr 15 2013: It does not rely on morals because you can't guarantee that people will follow their inner voice.
The law was however, based on morals. It is the codification of the rules under which people will interact with each other. It attempts to treat all people fairly and equally and to not make rules that are contradictory (that doesn't always happens but is usually sorted out using precedents)Apr 15 2013: This is a very good question and one that I have been pondering about for a long time, this is the answer I have come up with: Philosophically, it is impossible to prove that any one belief is right. modern day morals may be the opposite of what God(assuming there is one) wants us to do. In fact, all philosophies are founded on moral axioms, or assumptions, such as the belief that one should be altruistic, or something of that nature, but in reality those axioms can't be proven (which is why they're called axioms). Given this, I've become a moral agnostic, but in becoming one, and in being someone who is an objective spectator of the world with no "skin in the game" as I am still a high school student without a job and with parents who will be able to provide for my education regardless of the nature of the current political climate when it comes to taxes and other things, I have come to adopt (partially) utilitarianism. I adopted this philosophy because it considers everyone to be equal, and because I think that no one philosophy can be proven right, they must all be esteemed equally, and thus, all people and all their beliefs should be esteemed equally (this is the basis of utilitarianism), because you cannot prove one person is better than another, philosophically speaking of course. That being said, since you can't esteem any argument with a philosophical basis. Philosophical arguments have been rendered invalid according to my logic and what remains is a practical basis for solving problems. As an objective spectator, I believe that in order for the highest amount of people to be well off they must fight for what will help them and their nations and so when two people have an argument the one who fights for the well being of more people will be the one who is favored according to my system of philosophical axiom denial and practicality that would serve most of us, regardless of whether that practicality may be morally wrong or not.
Apr 16 2013: I don't know what to make of your answer.
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You say you believe in utilitarianism, and define it as all beliefs should be esteemed equally,
and THEN you turn around and say...." I believe that in order for the highest amount of people to be well off they must fight for what will help them and their nations and so when two people have an argument the one who fights for the well being of more people will be the one who is favored according to my system of philosophical axiom denial and practicality that would serve most of us, regardless of whether that practicality may be morally wrong or not."
Sounds contradictory to me...could you explain further?Apr 16 2013: I respect and appreciate your response to this, however, I clearly see you are basing your judgments on a purely philosophical and in no manner, as I could see explained, that which is religious whatsoever.
You must consider the prominence and importance, established by so many throughout all understandable realization of time and it's dimension, the relevance of religion, whatever religion that may be, (I am a believer that whichever suits you best, in the end you will understand and it will help you understand the nature of reality however it will assist you in finding peace and fulfillment, so long as you are true to yourself, the maker will not deny you, but do consider this fully); in establishing this basis, the contradiction I also see as if you believe in any sort of right and wrong, good and bad, heaven and hell even you must acknowledge that at some times, the "mob mentality" or majority vote is not necessarily the correct one.
As an extreme example, consider the 1940's (which no one wants to do, myself included) and how propaganda and the defeated mindset of the German's at that time allowed for such a disillusion to dissolve into the general public, creating general if not humanity-driven physical chaos to the point that those who "fight for the well being (what is this? How do we base this?) of more people (are these people INSANE?) and the actuality that might really be realized to the point where terrible evil is considered, confirmed and committed. People need guidance. This is where the ten commandments, where Jesus Christ, where each and every other religious philosopher, prophet and commendable person in general comes into place as a definite "pillar of the earth". (I love that book.)Apr 16 2013: The fact remains though, that mob mentality is the closest we will ever get to realizing what direction we should take when it comes to purely philosophical matters, that don't have an answer to that can be proven by science. And I'm not doubting the effect of religion and spirituality on this world. But the fact remains that religion isn't necessarily right and has been used many times to justify the killing or oppression of certain groups of people. Because of this religion is in a practical sense detrimental to our society and to the world.
Apr 16 2013: You are definitely contributing to this mob mentality when you state:
"religion is in a practical sense detrimental to our society and to the world."
In order not to have mob mentality, you must identify "which" religions.
Not all religions are detrimental.
Not all participate in war.
Some actually do alot of good.
Jeff K
Apr 25 2013: Hey Rajiv. Following your chat with Adriaan, I thought I could pitch in on the matter. I have come to realize that all of science is based on its ability to be appreciated by all our faculties; touch, taste, smell, sight and hearing. I have also noticed, however, that these are not ALL the faculties we have. I think there's one we very often omit, probably due to our inability to quantify this faculty in physical terms that can be readily appreciated by the other senses. This is the faculty of faith. The best definition I have found so far that quantifies this faculty is the one that says "faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen". Regardless of where this quote is from, I have seen this faculty applied endlessly in science to bring us to the point we are at today. So what am I implying? If the faculty of faith is employed in scientific aspects, shouldn't it also be employed in our pursuit for knowledge about God? Just because we can't attain this immediately with our 'original' 5 senses, doesn't mean there is no God. What will happen therefore if, in this aspect, we choose to first use our 6th sense, and then employ the rest? Food for thought.
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That said, I have a pertinent issue on my mind, that hopefully I can get some insight on. It can be argued that the study of morality has helped us in a sense, understanding that morality is a philosophical concept. Is it possible that study of morality has antagonistic effects on mankind as a whole? For example,the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche in "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" greatly profess the Ubermensch (superman) mentality. This mentality is what has been found to be the cornerstone of major horrific events throughout history, from Hitler to modern day serial killers. This can also be applied to the study of other values from a perspective of morality. Could it be that the study of morality gives people the ability to think and do what they normally wouldn't, even the wrong things?
Apr 25 2013: Hi Jeff,
I suggest most religious or spiritual faith is very different from the scientific process.
Science makes hypothesises and then looks for data to prove or disprove them. The probability or degree of speculation is appreciated. Some scientific concepts make very accurate predictions and have much data in support. Others are more speculative, the data may not be available to reasonably prove and consensus may not have been achieved. Scientists are willing to update if a better explanation is found, and they appreciate not all scientific positions are equally robust, especially at the cutting edge e.g. Something like DNA was hypothesised but is was not found or understood for many years. Before a model was determined that seemed to work it was speculative. Today we have so much evidence for DNA is it unlikely to dropped, but we continue to add to our knowledge in this field and there may be disagree about particular DNA related hypothesises.
Religious faith seems to be believing in things without compelling evidence - the antithesis of science.
Example, there is no historical proof that Jesus was resurrected, no compelling evidence he is a god, no proof a donkey talked, yet some people believe these claims in the bible or associated religious dogma without compelling evidence. Others believed in Zeus, Odin, Mithra, Baal, Madak etc without compelling evidence.
The creative process of developing hypothesises and testing these before tentatively accepting them, and being ready to update, refine, or completely drop what was previous considered the most likely when conflicting data comes to light, by recognising the models in science have different degrees of confidence, seems completely different to religious faith.
There are so many contradictory religions and variants. The closest parallel is the cutting edge of science where we speculate and have limited data.
Are you really saying the process of science is a strong parallel to religious faith?Apr 17 2013: Hello Mary M,
You are right, I'm definitely contributing to mob mentality in that I think that Mob mentality is the closest we can ever get to truth when it comes to philosophical matters that cannot be proven by science. The fact remains though, that religion (even the most benign ones: like Buddhism) still pushes people to do things they may not necessarily want to do, like care for others, and further more tells them to do these things because either God, or Karma will reward them, when God and Karma have not scientifically been proven to exist. Instead, we should inspire actions of people by recognizing the fact that if they do certain things, like maintain world peace and care for each other to an extent, it will help most of them, and that's how we should inspire people to act in a way that you and most people would consider to be "good", by giving them a practical argument that relies on them to be self-interested, which most of them are, rather than give a philosophical or religious one that promises them things that may not exist, like the love of God, and/or good Karma.
Apr 25 2013: Hello Rajiv, I just saw this comment. Because you did not reply next to the red reply button below, I had no idea you had written this.
So here is my response:
You said.......... "religion (even the most benign ones: like Buddhism) still pushes people to do things they may not necessarily want to do, like care for others, and further more tells them to do these things because either God, or Karma will reward them"
You are mistaken here Rajiv. No religion, no organization, nobody pushes anybody to do anything. Oh sure, people might give money and go to church and such because they feel God expects them to do it.
I know of lots of people that go to church and are racist, and selfish, and envious.
True spirituality, and here I use the term liberally, inspires people to do for others because there is more happiness in giving than in receiving.
Empathy, love, compassion, kindness are all principles found in scripture. And just like a loving father teaches their child to say please and thank you and excuse me, so too our Creator, our heavenly Father, teaches us how to treat each other. Not because we're going to "get it" if we don't do it, but because we will feel the happiness and the inner peace when we do.
May I share one of my favorite verses from the Bible with you?
(17)This is what Jehovah has said, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: "I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit [yourself], the One causing you to tread in the way in which you should walk. (18) O if only you would actually pay attention to my commandments! Then your peace would become just like a river, and your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
This is what I have learned from study of scripture.
It is not much, but it is enough for living a content life.
Be Well my online friend,
MaryApr 26 2013: Enjoy.........
Apr 26 2013: I never said all or even most humans don't want to help each other, some, maybe most, actually care about each other. The fact remains though, that people are still pressured (at least to a minor degree) by religion and that not all people are altruistic. Thus, people shouldn't be pressured into doing anything by religion or by some state-sponsored worship of some ideology that results in the restrainment of the majority of people, like communism or extreme capitalism that leads to dynasties of wealth being established by the bourgeois. Morality shouldn't be part of the picture, because it is philosophically unverifiable, it should be what people want to do with their time and the money they earned, if they earned it legally. Besides, just because you may be altruistic naturally doesn't mean others aren't altruistic because they are pressured by religion. I was born to a Buddhist family and remember helping people because I was afraid I would get bad karma if I didn't. I'm agnostic now so I am free of the chain (I recognize that to some religion is a good thing, but for me it was a chain) holding me back.
Apr 26 2013: If you were chained to Buddhism because they instilled fear tactics that is terrible!!!
I have never known a buddhist who acted out of fear.
And, I lived in Asia for two years.
Your experience is yours, and I respect that.
But generalizing and applying your particular experience to other religious groups, is, in my opinion, not healthy.
It sounds like you like your independence.....and that your issues are with "organized" anything, not just religion.
No wonder that Bible encourages us to "not put trust in man."
And also tells us that "man has dominated man to his injury."Apr 26 2013: Oh and by the way, I'm sorry for not replying to you, I just couldn't seem to find the reply button on your previous comment for some reason.
Apr 26 2013: That's quite all right Rajiv, I usually check up on my conversations, I'm glad I was able to read your comments.
Be Well,
Mary :)Apr 26 2013: I was not chained to Buddhism because my parents or monks scared me into it. I was merely talking about the Buddhist notion of Karma which pressures you into acting a certain way so to get good Karma, almost every Buddhist believes in it and I was saying that this was the sole reason I was acting "good". The fact remains though that in almost every major religion there is some punishment for not acting in certain ways, in Buddhism its bad karma and for Christianity its hell. And I just pointed out that to some people like me, those deterrents are the very things holding them back and making them fearful. You're right, some people would help others naturally, so they don't even need religion, but others like me get restrained by religion and aren't free (although I am now because I'm agnostic).
Apr 26 2013: Ok, now I understand.
You know, I have never spoken with a person who admitted to acting nice or doing nice things because they were afraid of karma or hell.
Many people who study the Bible do not believe in hell. They have come to understand that the belief in an immortal soul that suffers in hell does not originate in scripture, but is of pagan origin.
It is sad to learn that some individuals have ulterior motives for being kind, that it isn't borne in their hearts to love mankind and just do good for kindness sake, that they act kind because of something their religion has taught them.
Perhaps you are better off as an agnostic then?
Jesus said, "you will know the truth, and the truth shall set you free".
When I learned alot of truths about what scriptures contain and do not contain, I also felt very free from years of belief in doctrines that had their root in Greek mythology, and pagan rituals. So I kind of understand how you feel. You are welcome to learn what I have learned by visiting jw dot org and navigate the site. The site is easy to navigate and can be changed into many many languages. Many people find comfort in learning what Jesus taught when on earth. If nothing else, you will learn a little more about a different group of people that live on this planet with you. :)Apr 16 2013: The comment below responds to Mary M. for some reason ted doesn't let me reply directly to her as there is no "reply" buttonApr 16 2013: How so, serving the highest amount of people is the definition of utilitarianism. My argument is that, since all philosophical beliefs should be equally esteemed, in that none of them has any evidence to back them up, we should scrap them and then adopt to utilitarianism. When I say all philosophical beliefs should be esteemed equally, I'm saying that they should all be thrown out, and that instead people should realize that since they're all equal philosophically, they should instead embrace practicality for the majority of themselves. Which means having a utilitarian stance and doing what's best for most of them, this stance however, is not necessarily a philosophical one because it doesn't claim to be "right" but instead practical, and it responds to most peoples' needs and desires regardless of whether that's "right" or "wrong". Your quote of me was not describing a philosophical belief, but instead a practical one that doesn't claim to be philosophically superior to any other beliefs.
W. Ying
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My answer:
Because our instincts want us to "adopt" it.
Instincts are our ancestors' successful experiences.
Morals are the experiences of Symbiosis,
which make us survive in very difficult situations.
(For details, see the 1st article, points 4-8, at
https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D&id=D24D89AE8B1E2E0D%21283&sc=documents)Apr 15 2013: we don't adopt morals we adopt laws based on morals which are innate. people have different scope in their morals and interpretations of those morals, which is the source of disagreement.Apr 15 2013: Hi Rajiv,
Do you have any opinion as to why we human beings exist on this planet?
That being said, it seems as if you are saying that to develop and have morals is a waste of time because there are laws and we have police to enforce them.. Is that correct?
I believe we have civic, moral and also spiritual behaviour and thus principles, and for a reason.
Apr 15 2013: Hello Adriaan,
No I don't have any opinion as to why people exist on this planet. Perhaps you could consider me a philosophical agnostic in that I just don't question the presence of God but of any moral/philosophical laws. I have adopted that stance because there is no evidence regarding whether we do or do not have a reason for existing.
Apr 16 2013: Well, speaking from the belief system I support, it seems as if the literal text of the Bible, only tries to 'pressure' us to love God and our neighbour. It then implies that as long as we do that we'll be fine in this life become rich and have many kids :)
In a way that is how it works. But the real result is that if we do as asked, we'll become a loving person and so by the time we die we'll be a loving person going to heaven. The quality of our (loving?) character determines our eternity.
So the single reason why we are on this planet is so God can create a heaven from the human race. He created people so He has people (outside of Himself) He can love, be part of, and make very happy. But love and happiness can only exist in a free environment. As soon as freedom is gone so is love and this happens in any relationship.
This was about why we are here, but when we have children they go through a process of learning which involves different levels. Right from the start a child has to learn that if I do this, I get punished. So I'll not do that again, or at least if no-one is watching. That is the level of obedience and that can be seen as the civic level. Do this or else.
When further developing, a higher level is that of morality. If I treat people nicely, they will treat me like that also. What goes around comes around. It is easy, however, to ignore this behaviour at times. Especially if no-one is watching.
The highest level is reached when a person, after being nice, and thoughtful, and loving, realizes this creates a great feeling and good relationships. The more one is liked for what one does, the easier it is to make that behaviour a part of our character. To love living like that. We can become a very loving person that way. At the end we don't care if people express their appreciation and thank us, because we just love doing it. We are what we love.
This whole process and stages (days) is described in the spiritual meaning of the Creation Story.Apr 14 2013: G'day Rajiv
But isn't making murder illegal a moral stance? There are different degrees of morality for example I could make a moral law saying that no one is permitted to dive a car on the roads because it's too dangerous or I could make up moral laws giving us a right to drive on the roads but only if we follow certain governing laws that will try to keep us safe. I agree we can go over board but only in the degree of morality as all laws are supposed to be based on moral standing to some degree.
Apr 14 2013: No, murder isn't necessarily a moral stance. I can be against it regardless of my morality because if murder was legal the society that I'm currently able to operate in while being relatively safe would crumble.
Apr 15 2013: That seems like a moral rationale to me.
How do you define morality?
Apr 15 2013: It isn't morality because I'm not saying that people who kill are "evil" or that god hates them. In other words, I'm not having a philosophical stance on murder. I'm just recognizing that, regardless of whether what is actually right or wrong, I want to be able to live safely and as a result, would support any law that punishes people for murder simply because of my own want, whether it is right or wrong, to live safely. In other words, my rational does not stem from a presumption or theory of philosophical truth, but instead a recognition of my own (and most other peoples')desire to live safely, regardless of whether that desire is right or wrong.Apr 25 2013: So ethical systems are only moral systems if there is a god belief involved or claims of evil are involved, in your world view, or you think you have the absolute truth about what is good or bad?
Mine position of what is ethical or moral also does not stem from a belief in some divine command or another, or that I have the absolute truth, but I am happy to debate what I think is a reasonable basis for morality in the broader sense, and consider each moral or ethical dilemma on its merits.
One thing I dont like about your definition of morality is you are saying you and I have no morals, we are immoral because we dont subscribe to any divine command ethical system.
I suggest you might be better off using a more typical definition of morality such as principles for determining what is right or wrong and distinguish between those that are based on logic, science and reason, and those based on divine command, scripture, revelation.
I have a moral system, its just not based on scripture, revelation etc. I think it is actually superior to religious systems of morality.
Apr 26 2013: Please explain your moral system to meApr 27 2013: Things that improve the human condition, reduce or avoid suffering (of humans and other animals) are preferred to those that cause harm or suffering.
Some situations are relatively straight forward. Running around raping or killing causes a lot of harm and suffering. Treating people consistently, and fairly, honest dealing, respecting the freedoms of others within limits generally improves our lives. Intent and consequences should be considered.
The difficult moral issues involve a clash of values, or benefits for some at the expense of others. Is abortion moral involves the rights of the woman versus the fetus. What are the limits of religious freedom, is it acceptable to genitally mutilate baby boys and girls in the name of religion or tradition.
Ben Jarvis
Apr 15 2013: i would say no, it's legal. some murders are moral (not my morals personally though), such as "honour killing" and such, the idea that to fail to kill a person or a group of people is bad. i think we make laws or rules based on our morals. the moral belief that people should be free to move about but also free from unnecessary danger results in driving laws.
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Apr 15 2013: G'day Ben
I am talking about murder Ben not killing in honour like a soldier would however some would also call this murderer so it really depends on ones mode of thought I suppose in what's killing & what's murder.
I think all laws are based on morality either it to just save lives as in road laws or to kill as in soldering to again save lives but of course that's not always the case in war but it is the case in road laws.
Rajiv is right, if all laws were morally based to too much of an extent we wouldn't defend ourselves because we would be overly moral but soldiers moral is quite different to a true Christians morals. Morals aren't' just morals it really depends on the principles behind these morals & one rally isn't wrong or right over another they are just different modes of thought one lives by.
Ben Jarvis
Apr 15 2013: i was thinking of religious "honour killing" actually, such as murdering a girl who was raped to "save" her from the disgrace.
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christian morals now there's a can of worms! thou shalt not kill, unless it's the first born of egypt etc. also we now recognise that punishing someone for the crime of another is amoral, yet it was common practice in the bible. same for collective punishment.Apr 14 2013: Of course we would still have laws. Laws are a way to ensure that a society can run smoothly, they don't necessarily have to be products of morality. I can be in favor of making murder illegal because if it was made legal society would most likely crumble because gangs and assassins would be killing many people turning society into a chaotic wasteland.
Apr 15 2013: You are proposing a moral framework where the objective is to help society function smoothly.
Apr 15 2013: Yes, but not for philosophical reasons, but for selfish ones that are separate from philosophical axioms. I want society to be able to run smoothly because if it doesn't, I'm screwed. And if everyone thought like I did, the U.S. would run better because we wouldn't be obligated to care for other countries.Apr 14 2013: I'm not against welfare, I think that poor people should be given a safety net and access to a quality, public education so that they can reach their full potential. That being said, morality hinders us in that it obligates us to keep parasites with inferior mental and/or physical capabilities alive, why should we do that?Apr 14 2013: First of all, it seems to me that philosophy expels great energy towards many, many theories about morality, including the hopeful insight into whether morality is objective and the degree to which society impacts our moral ability to reason. The idea of a moral ability to reason in and of itself is peculiar to this argument, specifically because you argue the dislike of having to face the fact that other humans suffer and those which do not may have an obligation to help, based upon a moral justice or even sanctity thereof.
You mention morality only hinders us, however, you must must consider an alternative viewpoint in which you were suffering, perhaps personally incurably starving or faced with a sudden onset of insanity; would this not promote the idea within yourself that other human beings should share with you, should identify the necessity of a common idea of morality? Most importantly, identifying and understand and exchanging moral goodness perpetuates the influence, providing the sort of positive and progressive relief we need - quite opposite of the acceptance of torture (I don't believe ordinary citizens should give credit to this process, only individuals trained and knowledgeable of what reality is in that situation).Apr 14 2013: Rajiv, Let get to the heart of the question. Can amoral people exist within a culture and not be punished. That depends on your level. If you and I violate insider trading laws we go to jail ... however Congress does it all of the time and is immune to punishment. Morals and ethics only apply to those are members of the culture ... those who make the laws excuse themselves from the law. If you or I used our position to gain sexual favors we would be in jail ... it is okay for a sitting President. If you or I overspent our budget and was in debit for thousands of dollars we would be sued and most likely serve jail time .... however our Congress and administration do it all of the time with trillions of dollars..
We are in a period of time where our morals and ethics are absolute for the little guy but are a moving target for the exclusive. It goes for the rich and famous also ... there is much discussion on why Tiger Woods was not disqualified for a major rules infraction .... but that would have cost advertising and viewer ratings so he was pentalized instead. If you are Catholic your marriage is sacred ... but if you are rich enough or famous enough you can get a appointment with the Pope and work things out.
So morals do not "hinder" the elete or rich and famous. Perhaps if they did we could re-visit this conversation and reword it ... Should the moral code of the culture include all members .... are there exceptions?
I wish you well. Bob.
Apr 14 2013: Those things are unfair, but morals aren't needed to resolve those problems, just public awareness of the rich and powerful and their actions. Once public awareness is achieved, something the general public will surely want because it will empower its members we will be able to check the power of the rich and famous. The fact remains though that morals can only serve to hurt us by obligating us to do impractical things such as keeping unproductive people alive who have no potential (like seriously mentally disabled people) and depend on the state for their welfare.Apr 14 2013: Morals are agreed to tacitly therefore not adopted. They are a accumulation of what is agreed to by the members of the culture.
Yup they may not create better survival for the members. But they are a meme and people are not a ware that they practice them.


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What's For Dinner - Part 92 [old]
Moving right along, and lots of great food being cooked! I'm loving the beautiful pics by inaplasticcup, Rubee, et al. :-)
So, what's on the menu?
Tacchino piccata.... couldn't find decent chicken breast, so turkey cutlets it is! Found a decent (and easy) looking recipe on epicurious, and hope it's delicious. Side will be cuke & tomato salad with creamy dressing.
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Such a good meal. I always forget about looking for turkey cutlets, even though I have recipes for them.
re: linguafood
That sounds wonderful linguafood, it sounds like a great dish for those turkey cutlets. Can't wait to hear how it turns out!
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Trust me, ladies. I'm as curious as you are '-D
Never made piccata before, and, until reading the recipe, always thought it was an oven dish. This is a stove-top recipe that sounds incredibly simple, but I hope it'll have all that lemony & capery goodness in it!! Fingers crossed!!
re: linguafood
Oh no, it is a simple saute butter & acid dish, you will love it, LF, and it's so easy. Love piccata ANYTHING!
re: Phurstluv
You're right - it was pretty easy. I think it coulda used a bit more lemon (but I'm a lemon-fiend), and less wine... but hey -- for a first timer, this worked out well, and I can't wait to make it again.
LOVE the flavor profile! And to think I used to hate capers! Silly me.
re: linguafood
So glad it turned out well linguafood, such a delicious dish, one of my favourites.
Since you're a lemon fiend and now a friend of capers, let me share one of our absolute favourite pasta recipes. It's from Donna Hay's wonderful book "Off The Shelf."
Here's the link to the truly scrumptious Lemon Chicken Pasta:
In a pinch I've made this w tinned tuna instead of the chicken and its wonderful as well.
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sounds yummy, bc! Thanks!
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That sounds great, Bc! I'll have to give it a try.
I've loved capers for quite a while now, but as a kid, they were one of my serious 'yucks'.
re: linguafood
I too would pass up restaurant items with capers. Just retried them this week and can't remember what was so offensive?
re: linguafood
And they have that slightly weird flowery bitterness. I had to get used to them too. Ever have the pickled caper vines they use in Cyprus? The same taste with the added thrill of the spiny texture - like edible barbed wire. Better than it sounds.
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They sound interesting! Wonder if I could find them at the Turkish market here....
Caper berries are rather popular these days - can't throw a cat at an appetizer plate anywhere without finding them. I'm not sure if they are actually related, tho.
re: linguafood
I'm sure you'd like them - they're available in Greek markets here, bottled.
Capers are the bud and caper berries are the fruit. I prefer capers to the berries.
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In the last year or two I've been draining and rinsing before using and that takes some of that tartness away.
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Sounds a lot lot the dinner I made on Monday except with shrimp instead of chicken. If you like that flavor profile here it is:
re: rainbowbrown
That sounds wonderful rb! I don't have that book but did pick up her The Gift of Southern Cooking" while dining at Watershed (while Scott Peaccok was still there). You've inspired me to pull it off the shelf and take a look. Thanks!
re: Breadcrumbs
this is a great cookbook!
re: Breadcrumbs
It reads beautifully...which is how I like a cookbook.,,,since I read them like a novel.
The she crab soup , oxtails, creamy grits, cheese straws, country captain, green tomato perserves off the top of my head!
Sunday night I grilled a ribeye and had it with the most delicious jap chae dish that was posted on the last WFD thread. I loved this dish, it came together easily and gave me the option of using up lots of veggies. Those noodles seem to be very WW friendly too, although I don't know that eating the entire batch within two days was particularly kind to my waistline.
I wish I could post a picture of the finished dish, but my computer and my phone are not cooperating. I am seriously going to stock up on these delicious sweet potato noodles. It was great cold and room temp as well, which was how I had it the next day for breakfast. And then again for lunch.
Last night I sliced some of the leftover rib eye and made a wrap with some whole wheat lavash and a garlicky tzatziki, to which I added a half a jalapeno. Along with chopped romaine, red onion and a handful or cilantro this was spicy, cool and delicious. Felt like Summer.
Tonight I am marinating a bone-in chicken breast in lots of oregano, garlic and lemon and olive oil and maras. It will go on the grill and be served with a big Greek salad. Tomatoes are finally getting good here, and I have cucumbers and fat, black olives. Hopefully I can find some good feta to tart it up a bit. These simple, hot-weather meals are making me feel like I'm on vacation.
re: rabaja
What a lovely array of meals rabaja. I have to admit I've been on a tzatziki kick for a few months now and your idea of adding a jalapeno is terrific. We also recently discovered a source for fresh baked lavash and just love them, preferable to a pita in my view. I hope you found your feta and had a fabulous meal!
I'm keeping it simple as I hadn't taken anything out of the freezer...Trader Joe's Mandarin Orange Chicken to which I'll add sliced sauteed carrots and serve it over basmati rice. And it'll give me lunch tomorrow. :-)
re: LindaWhit
We love that chicken here, LW!!
We are also taking it simple here, as in, last week of school, and we all have full schedules and not much motivation to do any work! Boys just had some sliders, and want to go to the pool, so dinner will be light for us.
Just a quick note: I had a LOVELY afternoon with a fellow CHer, BombayUpwithaTwist. I felt so lucky to meet her, (have you seen her blog?? OMG) and she is a lovely person. We toured a butcher shop together, and then had lunch at a great place in Mid City (LA). We had a lot of fun and similar experiences, and I feel very grateful that a place like CHOWHOUND has brought us together to get to know one another. She feels a little peckish about posting here, she thinks we are a bit CLIQUE-ish, and I understand how she feels. But her posts, food and photos are awesome, so we need to make her feel more WELCOME, she is really a doll. So please, let's be more friendly to those who may sporadically post here, but may not be regular contributors! Thanks!!
re: Phurstluv
I'm sorry she feels that way, Phurstluv. I cannot recall what might have been said that would have put her off posting here, and I thought the pictures with her posts were wonderful. But not everyone gets a post responded to, if that's what is meant by "friendly".
re: LindaWhit
I know, I reassured her of that, and she does understand that not every post can possibly be responded to, but for some reason, she felt a little out of the loop, so I assured her we would love her on this board, whenever she was up to posting, and her food & photos were great.
Just wanted to give everyone a heads up, since we are a bit of a "family" here, and want her to feel welcome, she is a jewel! Thanks everyone!
re: Phurstluv
I remember her posts, I really enjoyed them. I hope she returns to posting on this board. I can somewhat understand her feeling out of the loop, but I don't take it personally and just continue blathering on to you all anyway.
How great you were able to do a meet-up with an on-line friend!
re: rabaja
Exactly. It's not a closed message board - it's open to any and all who join CH. There are some new people who've joined this thread; there are some old-time CHers who used to post and left this particular thread for whatever reason.
It's always fluid, always changing. Sometimes I post when I have something to say; sometimes I don't if I'm only having leftovers. If no one responds to my spaghetti and meat sauce post, it's no big deal. I just move on to the next post and talk to whoever made a more interesting meal than me! :-)
re: LindaWhit
I know, Linda, I tried to explain that to her, not to take anything personally, and I am the same way, I usually won't post anything if it's leftovers or hot dogs or something like that, but I will still look at others' dinners if I have the time.
She seems a bit shy, so maybe it's just her personality to be a bit more reserved than us, and she sure got a look at my boisterous self! Think we had a good time and will meet up again, maybe do another food related tour, really cool to see the hanging carcasses at the butcher shop!
re: Phurstluv
Fair enough. Come on, Bombay - we *really* don't bite - just into good food! :-)
re: Phurstluv
you know, i've felt intimidated at times on this site, but have felt very comfortable on this thread in particular, and what is the most impressive thing to me is the ability, the possibility, to maybe actually meet like-minded people that may become acquaintances and/or friends, and for me that is huge. it's not that i need more people in my life (i have plenty of foodie friend and family), but how really wonderful it is that we have the opportunity to virtually and maybe actually meet, talk to and interact with people from all walks of life, ethnicities, experiences, opinions, cultures, and to have the means to talk about and enjoy cooking/eating/loving and revering food. i've met a few CHers in person, and it's really opened up my world, even a small way. and i'm not a person who is without a very busy social/family life. it's just good to know that its out there if you want it. PH, i look forward to meeting you someday, on one of my inevitable ventures back to L.A., and i hope that others avail themselves of this (unintended or not) feature of this site, even if some of us may find resistance to closer connections, acceptance and/or validation on this site. i know this CH is not intended to be a typical "social networking" site, but in the end, that's what we're doing, all at our own pace, according to our own tastes and desires.
re: mariacarmen
That was really beautifully put, mariacarmen. Thank you. :)
re: inaplasticcup
Yes, my sentiments, exactly.
re: rabaja
Thanks, rabaja, we had fun, hope we can do it again soon!
re: Phurstluv
You have my vote for official Good Will Ambassador for CH, That was a very cool thing to do. I have been out of the loop for medical reasons, and I admit that I am lousy at responding to things, you must know that about me by now. But that was a very nice thing you did. : )!
Bombay with a Twist, please come back I have my good days, and no so good, but I did appreciate your posts.
re: chef chicklet
Aww, Chickie, you are always so sweet, and if you lived down here, I'd brave traffic to have a butcher's tour and lunch with you too!! Aww, heck I'm fine with driving 8+ hours to do that with you anyway!!!!
I will tell her of all the good thoughts and wishes that y'all have expressed, maybe we can get her back.
PS-how's the back?? You and my sister are incorrigible!! She had surgery too on the 23rd, and she's on the East Coast so we call, email & tweet each other and I asked her if she's taking it easy and she says no!! She doesn't have little kids anymore, but I know you do, so you better take it easy, girlie, you don't want a second surgery!!
re: Phurstluv
I'm always on the lookout for good reads. Gonna have to track that one down.
re: inaplasticcup
That's great, IAPC, here's her blog, her photos are exquisite!! And my advice to you earlier is why!!
re: Phurstluv
Perfect. Thanks! :)
re: Phurstluv
I've been wondering what happened to her! You were lucky to be able to hang out together. And how fun, going to the butcher shop. My friends always want to go to the day spa, and think it's weird when I suggest we shop for food together.
I'm sorry she felt that way on WFD. Honestly, I've always thought it was one of the friendliest threads on CH, and had no idea that she felt less than welcomed here. Her dinners were always so lovely! And I liked her 'voice', and felt that she *was* well-liked on here. Funny, how different perceptions of the same situation can be, isn't it?
re: onceadaylily
Agreed that WFD is one of the friendliest places on CH. And thanks to all for making me feel welcomed and included. :)
re: onceadaylily
I know, we're lucky in so many ways!! That's the cute part, she was so thrilled that I actually WANTED to go to the butcher shop & tour with her, and lunch!! She's like me, I get nervous and excited about stuff like that, I'm a food geek, no question!! And she is too, and apparently a great photographer & cook as well!! My friends aren't as food-geeky as me, I asked one to chase down a food truck with me one time, and she thought I was smoking something!! And I love spas, pedicures, massages too, but I love food & wine WAAYYYY MORE!!! LOL!
I think we are friendly too, but I did tell her I know how she feels since the LA board is a lot like that, cliquey and a little snobbish (God forbid you recommend a chain resto!!) but I developed a hard skin, and just keep plugging and now, since I guess they (the LA board) figured I know what I'm talking about, they now respond to me and make me feel included. But it does sometimes, take a bit of gumption to not let criticism get you down. I will email her and let her know, we all want to know What's For Dinner in her kitchen!! Thanks for the support, I really do love you guys, and weird, yes, but feel like if one of you ever emailed me or showed up at my door, and said, "Hi, It's LindaWhit from CH," I would welcome you like an old friend with open arms. And I think you'd do the same for me. So let's just show the newcomers how nice, friendly and COOL we really are, and talk to them so they stay interested!! Ok, done with pep talk now!!
re: Phurstluv
I've been referred to as an "occasional poster".
Whatever on earth that meant. Occasional, hum...
Thoughtless comment as far as I was concerned, so agree with BomUpWithTw.
Did you meet @ Mid City Los Angeles or Louisiana? Sorry, I'm not familiar.
re: iL Divo
Phurstluv lives in Los Angeles so I'm guessing that's the LA she was referring to.
re: iL Divo
Il Divo, I thought you knew I was a bit east and over the Topanga canyon from you!! ; ) Yes, we met in WeHo, where the butcher shop was and then had lunch in mid city at Cube.
I love your posts, il Divo, and I know you are not an occasional poster, but even if you were, who cares?? That's my whole point, that even the casual contributors should get some feedback, and those of us who are regulars should make more of an effort to help them feel included.
re: Phurstluv
gad PhLuv, I forgot any of that.
thanks for your kindness, dually noted.
I also appreciate you noting that with several hundred posts, that makes me pretty much a regular.
Someday I'll understand this website, until then, I appreciate you, thank you.
so when's lunch cause I've always enjoyed your posts as well..................
re: iL Divo
Summer's a bit tough for me, since I don't have a "nanny" or regular babysitter that is available all the time.
They are in a summer camp for boy scouts the third week in July that may be a good week to try. We can meet halfway, just email me offline.
re: Phurstluv
July will be the hardest month for me but I'll explain why when lunch happens for us, whenever that is. Thanks PL, looking forward, we'll make it happen. Singing rehearsal is in Westlake Village and those days I have to drive a hundred miles to and the same from. I love the opportunity to connect at times such as that.
re: Phurstluv
But, in a way, we are all occasional posters on one thread or board or another. I'm a prolific poster on the baking threads, but an occasional poster on NAB, for example, so I don't think I'd be offended if someone referred to me as an occasional poster on that board.
Evening, Linda!
Too hot to cook tonight so it's a repeat of last night's pasta, a couple of soft boiled eggs to make up the shortfall and a mango banana fruit salad.
Now chugging Newcastle and having Mystery Science Theateresque exchanges about Food Network shows with the Man...


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Los Angeles, CA (Sports Network) - Mat Latos' stellar outing as well as home runs by Jay Bruce and Xavier Paul helped the Cincinnati Reds snap the Los Angeles Dodgers' six-game winning streak with a 5-2 decision in the opener of a four-game series.
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I felt pretty good. I was able to work my fastball in and I made pitches when I needed to. I was able to go deep into the game which helped our bullpen," said Latos.
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Los Angeles, which went 0-for-9 with runners in scoring position, got a run back in the eighth on another Gonzalez groundout, this one brining home Carl Crawford following his leadoff double.
Manny Parra recorded the final out of the eighth behind Latos, and Choo added an insurance run in the ninth with an RBI base hit up the middle off Carlos Marmol.
Aroldis Chapman worked around a single and a walk in the ninth to pick up his 24th save.
Votto went 2-for-4 and has reached base safely in 37 straight games, the third
longest streak in the majors this year ... Dodgers shortstop Hanley Ramirez
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Greinke came in 6-0 with a 2.09 ERA in eight career starts at Dodger Stadium
... The Dodgers were looking for their longest winning streak since a nine-
game run from May 9-18, 2010. They had scored eight or more runs in four
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