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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Rsim, Jan 21, 2008.
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I'm Agnostic
here's a joke for y'all. What does a dyslexic, agnostic insomniac do?
tries to sleep with the bible but can't? i dunno..
He stays up at night wondering if there really is a dog.
I dun geddit...
Same here... o.0
me either
ok first we need to get the definitions straight
Dyslexic-flips letters around
Agnostic-one who believes nothing which cannot be demonstrated by the senses
isnomniac- cant sleep
So, they stay up at night(insomnia) wondering if there is a dog(dyslexia- flipped the letters of god, and agnosticism, wonders id there is a god.)
yes..except agnosticism is more of a religious thing..its like a concept..its the belief that there can be no proof either that God exists or that God does not exist...
so that's what i got out of it was my other response
true, but i thought the joke was funny, but nvm
Basically a reformed Methodist, but sorta like a traditional Baptist...... to put easily a fundamentalist.
Thanks much ookie ;D
This was not exactly the kind of topic I expected here but it says something good about you all that you could raise this and chat about it without anyone getting all stoopid and pushy. I get so tired of people shoving their religion.......ya know.
I'm what you might call a mellowed out Jesus freak. ;D
I take Jesus serious, serious on love, truth, grace, freedom, mutual respect, not serious on the "I'm right/you're wrong" thing. Plenty of ctns, in small groups, are great company but stick 'em in a building on sunday and it's zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz time.
I'm hoping, in the next fifty years or so, to get the chance of kicking back with some believers from the other main religions, chew the fat, get the inside gig on what it's like for them without anyone trying to convert anyone or score points or any of that crap.
So the guy who invented Harley's dies and goes to heaven. St Peter lets him in the gate after frowning at his tats and the guy heads up to chat with the Big Dude. (Dudess, take your pick.) He says to God, you didn't do to bad with that whole woman design project but you got a few things wrong....
1. There's too much inconsistency in the front-end protrusion.
2. It chatters constantly at high speeds.
3. Most of the rear ends are too soft and wobble too much.
4. The intake is placed way too close to the exhaust.
5. And the maintenance costs are outrageous."
God looks thoughtful for a second, wanders over to some kind of desk, waves his hand, comes back with a slip of cloud with some words written on it. Reads the cloud, looks at the Harley guy and says with a little smile, "Well mate my design might have some flaws but according to the latest statistics more people are riding my design than yours."
Thats funny right there lol
Mythmaven it looks like you are destined to have great and plentiful posts
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2 cubes
chicken bouillon
1 clove
garlic, smashed
1 cup
uncooked quinoa
2 large
cooked chicken breasts - cut into bite size pieces
1 large
red onion, diced
1 large
green bell pepper, diced
1/2 cup
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1/2 cup
crumbled feta cheese
1/4 cup
chopped fresh parsley
1/4 cup
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1/2 teaspoon
2/3 cup
fresh lemon juice
1 tablespoon
balsamic vinegar
1/4 cup
olive oil
Also made a couple of changes, but nothing major. Made it vegetarian, and added some chickpeas to make it more hearty. Also was out of red onion, so used regular onion instead. Excellent flavor, enjoyed this recipe a lot.
This was good but I thought the lemon flavor overpowered the other flavors in the salad. That being said, I will make this again because it's a good and healthy option for lunch.
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You know, I always dislike those reviews that say: I changed this, I changed that, etc. HOWEVER, I am going to post one like that because I didn't have all of the ingredients necessary for the dish. Very, very good, even with my changes and omissions. I'm sure it'd be even better. We don't like peppers and onions so I skipped those. I sprinkled a little onion powder in the mix. I was all out of Balsamic Vinegar so I used Red Wine Vinegar instead. I had no fresh herbs so I skipped those too. I'm sure if I had all the ingredients it would have been even better. It was excellent.
I thought this was a great salad! I used a red pepper instead of a green, I added diced cucumber, and I only used half of the lemon juice. I also cooked the quinoa in chicken broth like other reviewers suggested. Excellent! Will make again!
I hardly ever leave reviews , but this was sooo good I had to rate it! I omitted the chicken since quinoa has a good amount of protein, as well as the salt- the feta and olives provide enough salt for my taste.
I really like this recipe, i'm a vegetarian, so I did a few substitutes (I use vegetable broth, and no chicken. I also don't like olives, so I didn't use any..) The recipe was still great, and it's an awesome protein dish that I can throw together really quickly, using whatever vegetables I have on hand. I have made a habit of making this dish in large quantities, then refrigerating it so I can take it to work later in the week. It's the kinda dish that tastes as good or better on the second day. Enjoooyyyy
Excellent! I adjusted the recipe: cooked quinoa in chicken broth rather than water and bouillon; eliminated the garlic and parsley; used a yellow onion rather than red and yellow bell pepper rather than green; added green onions, sun-dried tomatoes, grated carrot, a couple handfuls of chiffonade spinach leaves, and sliced celery. I like to add more veggies...Yum!
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I'm trying to weld 20 and 22ga. stainless sheets. The 252 only gives settings down to 18ga. for stainless. This was my first clue.
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Whenever you are burning the wire back to the tip - not enough wire speed.
That popping sound, more like machine gun, less like sizzle - not enough wire speed.
Now if you up the wirespeed you will put more heat into the weld. wire speed is proportional to current so you are effectively upping the Amps.
Stainless distorts like mad anyway. Doesn't seem to get brittle when you quench (at least not if you let it cool down to non-glowing temps - say 1000def F). So you MIG in very short burts, And use a damp rag to cool it down.
Oh, and don't use tri-mix. Try 98/2 instead (or 96/4 AR/CO2). Tri-mix puts more heat into the material, something you don't need.Con Fuse!
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"My mom would make this every Thanksgiving. It's better than pumpkin pie!"
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1 (12 fluid ounce) can
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1 tablespoon
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1 cup
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I have made this recipe a couple of times. The first time I made it as directed, however, there was too much butter making it too rich for some. The 2nd and 3rd times I made this, I cut the amount of butter in half, reduced the pumpkin pie spice by approximately 1/3rd and added a teaspoon of vanilla extract. I even added some chopped pecans/walnuts to the cake mix the 3rd time. With and without nuts were a hit with both coworkers and family. I'll be making this for our Thanksgiving gathering this year.
I had such high hopes for this recipe but it proved to be too sweet for my tastes, which is really saying something! The first bite or two was wonderful but was too much after a big meal (that's a lot of butter). I might try it again with some modifications but would probably include it with lunch offerings, where the richness of the dessert stands out as a treat.
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I have been serving a very slightly different version of this recipe to family and friends for years. In my version: (1) I use the smaller can of pumpkin. (2) I use cinnamon, pumpkin pie spice (or allspice), and a 1/2tsp of powdered ginger. (3) I use regular whole milk instead of evaporated milk (though, I bet the evaporated is better, and I will try that next time) and...(4) I bake and serve the cake in a ceramic dish--no turning it out or inverting. Just remove it from the oven and put the whipped topping on after it cools and just before serving.
In my opinion, this recipe is very "personalize-able." There are a lot of variations out there, but the basic recipe is the same in all of them. It kicks regular pumpkin pie in the patootie, and everyone will love you for making it.
I have made this recipe at Thanksgiving and Christmas since the mid 80's instead of pumpkin pie. It is fantastic and you get a lot of pumpkin taste for the effort. I love to add broken nut meats especially walnuts.
I hope others will try this recipe too.
Thanks for sharing it.
Thumbs up on my initial test from the family! I did a gluten-free version, using Pamela's Gluten Free Vanilla Cake mix, which was around 21 oz instead of 18. It's a keeper, we'll be making it at Thanksgiving!
Though I'm still a fan of traditional pie on Thanksgiving and Christmas days, I thought this recipe was delicious and will make it again! If you're serving a crowd, this can definitely go farther for less effort than traditional pie. In an effort to increase the nutrition factor by just a little bit, I cut the white sugar to 3/4 c. and I thought it was plenty sweet enough since the cake mix and butter layer is pretty sweet on its own. I think next time I'll even omit a tablespoon or two of butter and my guess is I'll not notice the difference.
I started making this recipe last thanksgiving and love it. I actually used a 15 oz can of pumpkin and it came out great. Highly recommended, pumpkin pie just ain't the same no more.
This is an excellent pumpkin dessert. I use about 1 cup of chopped pecans on top of the the dry cake mix just before I pour the melted butter on it. I also use the smaller can of pumpkin, but keep everything else the same. I saw this in a Southern Living Cookbook where they used the smaller can so I tried it. I loved it... I am a topping/crust liking person more so than filling and this was perfect. Very easy dessert and you will get rave reviews, as well as everyone wanting your recipe.
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Will America fall like Rome?
As we all are aware of Rome was the global trade network of the world thousands of years ago. It can also be debated that America is a prominent trade network ,today in comparison to other countries. Is it a matter of time before America falls as Rome did?
Gail .
Nov 21 2012: Cities and countries throughout the ages have always followed the 2nd law of thermodynamics. They rise, they fall. They may keep the same name, but they change so fundamentally that they are not the same country.
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Here is an interesting talk about the decline.
But times, they are a-changin'. Never before in recorded history have humans known so much about how life works as we now know. I am convinced that we are on the brink of making nationalism (oppressive governments - either on a national or global scale) obsolete. I see this as a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.
It probably won't occur until the economy fails, as it is almost certain to do in the near future. It is unsustainable in its present mode. Then religions will fail alongside it and we can start again with a more sustainable way of life.
Nov 21 2012: My advise would be to ignore this bizarre talk by Jared Diamond
His data is cherry picked and does not mention any major societies. He does not show any data just conjecture based on the cherry picked data. This is junk science with an agenda.
He says there is none of the factors are more important than the others. This is by definition unscientific.
No mention of the importance of the rule of law, private property, debt, the importance of the scientific method, trade and exchange, etc etc
Like I said bizarre
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Nov 22 2012: It may seem bizarre to your agenda, Pat, but your comment gives an involuntary but good example of how lobbyism works beyond the point of the 'ignoring phase'. It launches the 'insulting phase' ... :o)
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Jared Diamond's talk is only bizarre to those who refuse to see the 'bigger picture'. To those who deny the finiteness of resources on which our 'system' crucially and exclusively depends on. And to those who choose to remain ignorant against common sense.
To ask scientific data for the obvious is not only useless it is a dangerous delaying tactic in this context!
Nov 22 2012: What are we on the verge of running out of?
How is asking for scientific data useless? At the very least what is most important about what needs to change?
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Nov 22 2012: 'What are we on the verge of running out of?'
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Thank you Pat for another good example, as this sort of question is exactly the 'dangerour' of the delaying tactic I was talking about.
Nov 22 2012: Have a nice day
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Nov 22 2012: Thanks, I have one ... :o)
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Nov 29 2012: The game has changed since Rome. It used to be all about military, economic, and technological might.
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Now it is more about individual and "collective" brainpower, creativity, and initiative .
With globalization and the internet these qualities are beginning to span national boundaries as people
connect and collaborate irrespective of national boundaries - so it is not so much a case of America falling as
it is the rest of the world rising, particularly China.
In terms of individual brainpower, perhaps measured by graduate science/technology degrees, the US is behind China and makes up for it to some extent with immigration.
In terms of "collective" brainpower, creativity, and initiative the US is ahead of China which censors the internet.
As a test of this premise I would like to hear your TED story about
how you somehow connected with someone from mainland China?.
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Nov 21 2012: It will fall, the image is that Rome fell slowly but this is a metaphor. I would look at how the USSR broke up or Argentina. It will probably happen quickly the reason for all is economic. The USSR who's source of income was imperialism, the U.S. and Argentina and the UK because of debt caused by socialism.
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Everything has a cycle a beginning, growth and an end including countries I would look at this video to understand the economics of this process.
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Nov 21 2012: Yes, I totally agree.
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The strength of the USA is the S part.
I believe that if the states are granted the opportunity to determine the field of competition - this is the only way for them to realise their full capacity.
Look at the states now?
At one time, I was in awe of the states - i promoted the idea of Australia petitioning to join the union.
But lately, I'm glad we didn't .. the personality media based federalism in the USA seems to have wrecked the dream.
So I fully support the secessionist movement that kicked off after the US election. But the petitionists will have to be aware that to get true independence, and a chance to compete freely - not only must they Secede from the union - they will also need to secede from th Corporation of the USA.
Only then will the states be clear to max-out.
GO Yanks!
(edit: P.S. - did you get the email from Obama? I did, and I haven't read such a vacuous meaningles document in all my days. His assertions ar hollow - he talks about energy independence, but hidden in there is his lack of will to allow the American people get on with it - he wants to get the applause for it all!)
Nov 21 2012: Actually Mitch,
I think the real strength of the U.S. is the us part.
Nov 21 2012: hmmm .. "us" can mean a lot of things.If you mean "harmony" then I think you are right. But at the state level the original spirit of close aliegence is being hijacked to assume a harmony without consent.Nov 21 2012: Mitch
Federalism mean a division of power between the states and the Fed. What we have now is all of the power going to a central government which is unconstitutional through agencies and czars under the Executive branch. Federalism is a good thing in this instance. Other wise yes secession is a constitutional right of the states. Except Lincoln violated the Constitution and began the decent into a central power that we have today. The only problem with corporation is when they are subsidized by government.
The us is not what it used to be and is easily manipulated. Imo this is due to a culture of entitlement instead of freedom. Anyway the way to get this back is though decentralization which mean shrink government and government spending.
Nov 21 2012: Hi Pat,
"culture of entitlement instead of freedom" - spot-on!
I often bang-on about perception and agency and all that guff - but the whole thing revolves around "advantage". If anything living - from bacteria to humans does not obtain advantage, it is toast.
Our whole organism-base operates to get a thing we call "freedom" .. you could say "options" .. this is not so much teh variety of things in a shop, but the options one has open to get on with being alive. this freedom includes a range of advantage and disadvantage. Any sane person will normally choose the advantage, and only choose a small disadvantage in order to gain future advantage - and that includes getting along with other people. No one will choose a disadvantage that leads to no freedom at all.
But there are our "governments" trying to force all these choices on us - removing our freedom.
Yes, I am not in favour of blank welfare to individuals or companies. If there is a need for spreading risk, then it would work better as a development grant. But there had better be a strong case for returns.Nov 21 2012: You are being overly pessimistic Pat. I have a feeling that life will go on like it used to. Do not give in to the pessimism and keep in mind that somebody wants you to feel like that, and has a reason in it.
Nov 21 2012: Keep in mind that emotion has nothing to do with what I'm saying. Your profile says you are an investor, how much conjecture is there in economics?
Nov 21 2012: Markets are strange beasts. You know what to do when everybody starts talking about the end of the world, don't you?Nov 21 2012: Yea but would you invest in a start up in Greece right now? One in the U.S. where healthcare was an impending issue because the business is a service that is heavily dependent on labor?
Fritzie -
Nov 21 2012: Here is a review of a book by a historian who argues that, while this comparison has become something of a fad, there is no good basis for such a comparison: http://www.thegatesnotes.com/Books/Development/Comparing-America-and-Ancient-Rome
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He makes no specific predictions of America's changing role in the world but argues that comparisons with Rome are not very instructive on the matter.
Here is another very short article, the second half of which summarizes why this comparison is far more popular in the work of journalists than of scholars. http://www.americanscientist.org/bookshelf/pub/making-historical-comparisons. You can zip past the opening stuff about Jared Diamond's book and go to where the author addresses the subject at hand.
I hope these help you think about your question.Nov 23 2012: Empires grow until the size of the empire makes it impossible for those in control of the empire to control it. The US economy has grown to the point where it can no longer sustain itself so it relies on others for sustanence. As this reliance grows it gives power to the source of sustanence. Just as Europe became reliant on the new world and lost its dominance to the new world the US becomes reliant on Asia and will lose its dominance to Asia. Then Asia will becaome reliant on Africa etc etcNov 21 2012: If Americans realize their money is worthless, yes.
There is no age after the golden, in history. Our major export revolves around entertainment, as well as slave wages... If will not fall, we should.Nov 21 2012: I have a book called "Sex In History". It details the fall of Rome from that aspect.
It says that hot baths and lead water pipes caused sterility or low sperm count, which combined with culturally accepted homosexuality accounted for an insufficient number of births. They legislated mandatory sex between husbands and wives, but that didn't fix the problem. When there were not enough educated (elite) Romans to run the country, they looked for leaders in Greece and other places throughout the empire. These new leaders maintained allegiances to their native lands, and unfair trade practices favoring their native lands began to destroy the Roman economy. We do have the unfair trade practices in common.Nov 21 2012: Like Argentina. In 1916 Irigoyen was elected and promised fundemental change, mandatory insurance, mandatory health programs, low income housing, and taxes to support the changes. More was going out than coming in. Then Peron was elected and attacked the rich with taxes to compensate. When that failed the middle class was targeted. The government begin to grow and farms closed to work for the government. No crops and no meat. Hyperinflation hit in 1989 due to the states intervention in the economy. The government printed more money and inflation hit 3000%. By 2002 all was lost. In 100 years Argentina went from the third wealthest country in the world to poverty stricken.
Yuri Bezmenov laid out the plan that the USSR had set for the demise of the United States and step by step[ we have followed the plan to the letter. This can be seen on you tube.
In my opinion ... who ever won this election was in trouble, but there was still a chance of stopping the blood flow and revive the economy. By the end of the next four years the economy will be like that of Argentina and the fate the same. The lack of understanding of what was occuring to the US and our economy by the citizens has doomed us. To educate and involve the people is no longer a option. The class warfare we have entered was one of the final stages. The discrediting of religion was another. Check and check.
The movie Eva and the song by Madonna .. Don't Cry For Me Argentina ... were a warning that went unheeded.
The history of Argentina is available for you to validate my statements ... you make the compairson ... the rest is my opinion.
Nov 21 2012: As you know, I am a proponent of a moneyless society, but I will set that aside for the moment.
You neglect to mention Germany, that went from the poorest nation with uncheckable inflation - major starvation - to the most economically stable and prosperous in only 2.5 years. How? It printed its own money rather than borrowed it into existence. After WWII, the banks came back into the picture, and now all are endangered.
As to religion being discredited, I'm glad you see that and surprised to see you admit to it.
John Frum
Nov 21 2012: "It printed its own money rather than borrowed it into existence." Is not an explanation. That is what got them into trouble, in the first place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_the_Weimar_Republic gives some hints as to how they got out of it: currency backed by commodities. What amazes me is that countries have learnt these lessons several times, and yet, people and politicians of a newer generation forget it all and go back on that path.
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Nov 21 2012: And there in lies the problem. It is amazingly difficult to get people to look. I think Yuri mentioned that once people have been indoctrinated it is impossible to change their thinking.
I will say though that it has been done at least once that I know of in Canada.Nov 22 2012: My reading of your suggested web page (that deals with the hyperinflation of the post WWI Versailles Treaty in the 1920s) supports what I hoped I said as it pertains to national banks. My mention of Hitler's fiscal system (1930s) with no national banks (the equivalent of tossing the FED that was regulating money) wasn't mentioned in the wikipedia link.
America has been prosperous every time it issued fiat money, and has gone into decline every time it teemed up with the banks who issue debt as money.
I should have made the time frame clear. Sorry about that. :-)
John Frum
Nov 22 2012: @TL: National banks are irrelevant. The issue is about the basis for a currency. The link I posted shows an example of the danger of fiat money, which was eventually corrected by a commodity-based currency. I will not speak about debt-based currencies because the concept is too far from first-principles, and therefore, understood to mean different things by different people.
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"America has been prosperous every time it issued fiat money, and has gone into decline every time it teemed up with the banks who issue debt as money."
How do you define "prosperous"? If you were to look at the amount of disposable income, measured against a commodity (http://pricedingold.com/us-disposable-income/) you'll see that Americans now are less propserous than they were at the end of WW2! And things are only getting worse. If you were to measure "prosperous" in terms of USD, you'll get an entirely different impression.
Nov 22 2012: You're not making a lot of sense here. You can't disregard the fed and national banks in a discussion of current fiscal models. Our currency IS debt. Those dollars in your wallet are only promissory notes.
Of course America is far less prosperous than it was in the 50s. Do you think that most people aren't well aware of that?Nov 22 2012: @Grace Greene: What do you mean "current fiscal models"? "Current" in academics or "current" policies in use?
"Those dollars in your wallet are only promissory notes."
Sorry, that only works on the gullible. What is it that these dollar notes promise? If I were to give you 10 Frum Dollars that promise to pay the bearer 10 Frum Dollars, how impressed would you be?
"Our currency IS debt."
Try this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_theory_of_money
Many people would say we have fiat currency, not debt currency. Now, do you understand why I do not discuss the term "debt based currency"? Use a more concrete term, and I'll happily discuss it.
"Since silver coins are significantly heavier than gold ones, the Treasury printed out promissory notes on paper that were legal tender redeemable in silver dollars. These were silver certificates."
"Of course America is far less prosperous than it was in the 50s. Do you think that most people aren't well aware of that?"
Pay attention to the comment I'm replying to. What awareness do you infer from TED Lover's comment?
Nov 22 2012: Most Americans who closely follow economics understand that all money in the United States comes into existence as debt. Either the Federal Reserve authorizes its creation when the U.S. government BORROWS money from one of its banks, or banks create it (invent it into existence) when they use fractional reserve banking to make loans to customers.
When Hitler stopped borrowing money into existence, he created money without incurring interest on debt. That new currency became the currency of the realm because the currency before that had utterly and completely collapsed. In only 2.5 years, Germany went from destitute to thriving. After the war, the bankers re-instituted borrowing money into existence, and we have what we have today - an unstable and unsustainable economy that will never be able to pay off all the loans plus the interest that is never printed into existence.
Yes, our currency is backed by "faith", but it is borrowed into existence by private bankers. Hitler based the value of his mark on labor and production of the German people. We used to have a metal-backed currency. That is no longer true. Gold certificates and silver certificates are no longer exchangeable for gold or silver, which was their original purpose.Nov 22 2012: @Grace Greene:
"Hitler based the value of his mark on labor and production of the German people."
This is untrue. The Wikipedia article I mentioned earlier indicates that the mark was first linked to the quantities of rye grain, and then to quantities of gold.
"...Germany went from destitute to thriving..."
Only because goods and services could then be honestly valued against each other in a stable manner. If I work today for 10$, and I spend the money today, I can buy 10kg of potatoes. If I choose not to spend this money today, but spend it next year, I'd probably be able to buy only 9kg of potatoes with it. 1. This means that the currency is unstable. 2. It encourages me to find work closer to the place where it is produced, so that I can reap its benefits before it trickles down to the others. This work, because it is decided by government policies and not inspired by market demands, will be, by definition, rather useless, but well-paying.
So, coming back to your original statements to me,
"You're not making a lot of sense here. You can't disregard the fed and national banks in a discussion of current fiscal models."
Whether you agree with my explanation or not, do you agree that I am trying to make a case that debt is of secondary importance to the problem? Do you agree that I am trying to make a case that a commodities-based currency is a step in the right direction?
Nov 22 2012: TL & I refer to Hitler's time but you keep going back a decade. Very different times and very different economic models.
"We were not foolish enough to try to make a currency backed by gold of which we had none, but for every mark that was issued we required the equivalent of a mark's worth of work done or goods produced. . . .We laugh at the time our national financiers held the view that the value of a currency is regulated by the gold and securities lying in the vaults of a state bank."
- Adolf Hitler, quoted in "Hitler's Monetary System,"
The Wikipedia mention of rye wheat-backed currency is the only reference of such that I have been able to find. If you follow this history of the mark, you will see that for most of the time you mention, Germany was on the gold standard. Before that, it was the papermark for a time. It was America that forced Germany into that horrible depression. And the Great Depression was caused by the federal reserve.
Just because you read it on the Internet does not mean it's true. Anyone can write an article and post it on Wikipedia.Nov 22 2012: @Grace Greene:
"The Wikipedia mention of rye wheat-backed currency is the only reference of such that I have been able to find.... Just because you read it on the Internet does not mean it's true. Anyone can write an article and post it on Wikipedia."
Are your search skills are supposed to be a reflection on me? Hint: German documents are not in English. Try http://www.bundesarchiv.de/aktenreichskanzlei/1919-1933/1000/str/str1p/kap1_1/para2_9.html
Gold or rye, my point about commodities remains the same. Though I consider gold a superior backing for currency, that is beside the point here.
But I confess, the initial omission of time period kept me thinking of a different time-frame from that point on. Coming to Hitler, his price-control policies worked only for a short period of time. Is it really worth studying as an example of successful monetary policy? Inflation soon caught up to him.
Lars Mews
Nov 22 2012: I am not sure if you speak german, but if you do, you could easily discover that here has never been a "wheat-backed" currency, as this was only one of several theories, but never made it into reality. This so called "Roggenmark" (Ryemark) never existed.
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In that time period you talk about we had two currencies besides each other, the so called "Rentenmark" (more or less official, but highly accepted and trusted by the population) and the official "Reichsmark".
The Roggenmark was only an idea how to stabilize the currency, but this was solved sucessfully by the Rentenmark. She was quickly followed by the Reichsmark, but the Reichsmark was not trusted that much by the people, to avoid "new old problems" they simply let the Rentenmark survive as a second currency inside germany, not really official, but also not illegal.
The Rentenmark was not touched by the inflation (because the ammount was fixed, they never printed new money of that currency), that is why it survived so long even it was already "unofficial".
By the way, what pat gilbert mentions below is true, "we" germans hate inflation, but love the idea of deflation. Its of course only a feeling, as both have negative effects on economy, but germans are scared only by inflation, even today. If you tell us a coming deflation, we appear pretty relaxed, and most of us secretly dream of a coming deflation, as this reminds us of better times (this "trauma" is emminent, even my generation cries about the loss of the D-Mark, as the "felt inflation" was non-existent in our view, because we connect freedom and increasing wealth with the D-Mark, whilst we connect raising poverty and EU-dictatorship with the new Euro currency).
Its a diffrent understanding, but very simmiliar on the other hand.Nov 22 2012: Something to note in a more general sense is that inflation was extremely traumatic to the German people just as deflation was extremely traumatic to the American people.
Since in essence a culture is an agreement the Germans will never have inflation because this is the agreement in Germany just as America will never have deflation because this is the agreement in America.Nov 22 2012: @Lars Mews: Thank you for the clarification. My German is quite basic, and not good enough to read long documents.
Nov 22 2012: Your welcome,
but anyhow, even the english wikipedia could have told you this.
"In August 1923, Karl Helfferich proposed a plan to issue a new currency (Roggenmark) backed by mortgage bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of rye grain. His plan was rejected because of the greatly fluctuating price of rye in paper Marks. The Agriculture Minister Hans Luther proposed a different plan which substituted gold for rye and a new currency, the Rentenmark, backed by bonds indexed to market prices (in paper Marks) of gold.[25]"
The currency of a state is a historical fact, and you can trust wikipedia pretty much about historical facts that have such a big importance like currencies do have. If your english wikipedia does not mention a currency for germany, than it is pretty obvious we did not have or had it in use.Nov 21 2012: I had not heard of Yuri Bezmenov before. His videos on youtube are shockingly informative! Thanks for the recommendation.Nov 21 2012: Bob
How much credit would you give to Yuri and how much would you give to this is the natural order of things?
Nov 21 2012: While I did not see any evidence of the USSR in the formation of the current US, Yuri's interviews were still very informative about how these affairs were conducted by the USSR.Nov 22 2012: Pat, I never gave that a lot of thought ... However, reading about what the Greeks said about democracy I would thing that the Russian played their cards well and that the Greeks were right. I think that the Russians were great students of natural order, history, and they did a lot of idea planting. They understood the value of religion and the need to subvert it, they hated same sex encounters and jailed their countrymen for this act but encouraged it here, they loved unions as an ally in the effort to dismantel the US, they had operatives that sewed seeds in our country for years. They have always said that they will convert the United States to Socalism and never fire a shot. They have.
I think that the answer is probally natural order but the Russians sped it along and understood it better than us. Heck the Greeks understood it 2000 years ago better that our current leaders. That is a sad thing to have to say.
Was the answer : Argentina correct and was that accurate?
Nov 22 2012: Argentina is a perfect example of where we are headed and how.
I heard the other day that the current leader lowered the voting age to 16, ostensibly to garner more votes.
The thing about Argentina that I find interesting is that it has been going on for so long similar to the U.K. I realize the debt is hard to deal with but the part that blows me away is that the people have not changed. Which makes your point about Yuri even more relevant.
Funny probably 80% or better of just the TED people think we are whack jobs or just poor ignorant victims of Fox news...
Matt Ridley talks about how the evolution of Neanderthal man's physical make up occurred faster than the evolution of the tools he used. He stated that the main difference between Neanderthal and modern man was the ability to exchange ideas. I ran a survey on why people who voted for Obama voted for him and the answers were less than profound. I guess that to really get this stuff you have to look at the devil in the details and the majority doesn't want to be bothered... The products of the free market have evolved a thousand times faster than man's thinking and that truly bums me out.Nov 22 2012: Pat,
YOu say that there was nothing profound learned through your question of why people voted for Obama. But in your own thread within that question, you said, "What stuns me is that the voters put social issues above financial issues" Sounds like you learned something profound after all.Nov 22 2012: I was stunned by the ignorance of the voters about economics.
Is that profound or deep?Nov 23 2012: " Argentina is a perfect example of where we are headed and how."You're going to be a military dictatorship for 20 years? And enter into a pointless war with a much larger economy? The US only enters into pointless wars with smaller economies.I have friends who left Argentina in the early 80s because they all knew the writing was on the wall before Alfonsín showed up although he didn't help. It was the perfect storm of facism followed by socialism.Nov 21 2012: I believe instead it will fall like England, which is still a world power, but hardly the global empire it was 150 years ago.


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Who cares Dr. Manhattan can kill both of them at the same time
Originally Posted by Cqwnt
Yes he can PC Superman destroyed solar systems by sneezing on them LOL
Seriously all Superman has to do is destroy the planet Goku cant breathe in space lol that dudes done
sorry i didn't know because i dont watch gayman sorry dude Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gayman(superman )
superman can't even beat Obito because of Kamui _-! so don't talk about goku that can teleport in 0.01 second_-!
this is how Goku kickass the sh*t out of him
Originally Posted by The Alchemist
Superman can only be killed by Kryptonite, Goku on the other hand has been killed by a bunch of people, so superman wins.
Superman is weak on kryptonite but its not the only thing that can kill him,magic can kill him(watch superman vs the elite and also the series) and in superman vs the elites there is a guy that blasted an energy shot equal to a thousand suns,if superman didn't teleport out of there with the help from a spaceship he would have died.from the best of my knowledge of DBZ goku has that kind of energy of the sun,or he can blast superman into the sun just how he did to baby and let's not forget that goku also has magic on his side,so my bet is on goku
Little Kid Goku with his Nyoubo and his cloud pulverizes Superman.
All words, no proof or sources.
As expected of Narutobase.
really surprised how this thread made a lot of comments/posts
Goku hands down.
What exactly is the bone of contention here? Is it that
1.Superman's best feats are too ridiculous?..even though its still canon?
2.Many see Goku as 'cooler' therefore stronger?..very sentimental thinking..all canon feats clearly points superman as superior to Goku..whether you agree or not doesn't change that fact..
Superman's powerful equals Frieza
I've read the whole thread, and I still have no conclusion to be made. So they're equal for now. And that guy with the Goku hair, I think his name is Sasuke(a bunch of numbers), you're a complete retard...
Put them both in the ring at their best, then it would be an equal match. Goku=Superman, all that matters is the fans.
Originally Posted by Draegod
lol Yes it does! The fact that they do not have a beam/energy/chakra scale Literally proves this! Like it isnt even a question that they limit characters form other series. And again, just because it never showed Goku moving planets doesnt mean he cannot. They never showed galactus Moving planets, does that mean he cannot??? Etc etc just because goku never pushed or what not doesnt mean he cannot. Because if you use Dragonball Z logic a planet is nothing if your power level is strong enough. That is DBZ Logic.
Power level=Overall Strenght/speed/Ki That is DBZ Fact! They do not keep this in mind and limit DBZ Universe too the logic of DC/Marvel universe. It is unreliable when it comes too Certain series.
They also list Broly as a galaxy destroyer but do not list GT goku. -__- When Gt goku is way beyond Broly. That is also a contradiction they have. They do not follow the DBZ logic in the slightest. In DBZ they fight in almost Light speed.
Dude, no it doesn't.
The damage your blasts do does not equal your strength, otherwise their power levels wouldn't go up when using Ki Blasts like Gohan using his blast in the Saiyan Saga...just because your blast can destroy a planet, doesn't mean your raw physical power can.
Broly is listed a Planet/Star buster, because thats how he destroyed South Galaxy, he went to each planet and destroyed it. While GT Goku is listed as a Multi-Planet buster so I don't know what you're complaining about.
Galactus eat planets to survive it is completely obvious that he can move them.
And they do not fight near light speed in DBZ.
Originally Posted by Sasuke082594
I want to see Superman take on all Shadow Dragons with virtually no rest in between..
The same guy that held trillion of tons, and tossed in billion of light years away? Goku could barely hold 3000 tons in base form...(Sorry, to lazy to post manga proof. It's when he's training in the other world.)
Originally Posted by Yo pappy
SSJ Broly could destroy entire galaxies with a single energy volley, Galaxy Destroyer ring any bells? SSJ4 Goku surpasses Broly by leaps and bounds, juss sayin' bro. That really isn't that impressive.
...Broly would have to put in effort. Superman would only have to accidentally sneeze, and it would be all over for us...Oh and did i mention superman held trillions of tons in on hand, and tossed it billions of light years away? Goku could barely stay a float with 3000 tons in base form. Goku is a beloved character for most of us, but if you calculate the facts you get the end result...Oh, and superman has infinite energy from the sun...Goku hasn't. It's pretty clear Superman > Goku
goku > superdork
goku has no weaknesses against that idiot , superman is the worst character ever , all godly like & his weakness is cryptonite pathetic character ..
goku>batman > superman
Originally Posted by naruto1246
just want you to know someone posted the page and pc sups sneezed away a solar system not galaxy i want you all to stop exagerating
Yeah! What this guy said...Cause as we all know, sneezing with power enough to destroy a solar system is nothing...tch. I can't believe you didn't know that.
seriously? Goku
Looks pretty much the same as the current version, except with worse art
Looks pretty much the same as the current version, except with worse art
Name: Kal-El/Clark Kent/Superman
Origin: DC Comics
Gender: Male
Classification: Alien (Kryptonian)
Age: Around 30-50 years old
Powers and Abilities: Super strength, speed, flight, durability, agility, heat vision, ice breath, X-ray vision, able to survive in space and other hostile environments, immune to all diseases, effectively immortal, can absorb solar and other types of energy, time travel, can cross universes and dimensions, cosmic-level enhanced senses, super breath, sonic attacks/sound manipulation, super-ventriloquism (seriously), can control his own body functions (such as stopping his own heart to feign death), genius-level intelligence, photographic memory, hypnosis, shapeshifting, various other powers that he would reveal randomly (so he could, in effect, pull them out of his ass)
Weaknesses: Multiple types of Kryptonite, magic, red sunlight, cannot see through lead
Destructive Capacity: Star system level+/Universe level with the sword of Superman
Range: Star system level+
Speed: Massively FTL (can cross the universe in seconds and the multiverse in minutes)
Durability: Galaxy level+ (Has tanked the power of quasars and magnetic power equal to that of hundreds of galaxies)
Strength: Class 100 (ridiculously strong, can juggle planets with one hand, move stars with his breath, throw spaceships to another galaxy, pick up and throw neutron stars, tow entire galaxies of planets across space, etc)
Stamina: Incredibly high, rarely ever tires except when fighting incredibly powerful opponents
Standard Equipment: His costume, which is indestructible
Intelligence: Capable of solving math problems faster than super computers, capable of building advanced robots and other technologies, vast knowledge on alien species and the universe in general
Notable Attacks/Techniques:
- Heat Vision: Fires beams of heat from his eyes capable of drilling through planets, igniting stars, sealing holes in reality, etc.
- Ice Breath: Capable of freezing planets and stars.
- Super Breath: Capable of moving stars at FTL speeds, or destroying star systems.
Just listing the stats...
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I use a LOT of file folder labels; Avery labels are my favorite. I have tried other brands in the past, but always come back to Avery for the quality.
This review is from Removable File Folder Labels 6466:
I have used these labels daily; very high quality. I have not experienced jamming or smudging as with other less quality labels. Top-Notch Product!
This review is from Removable File Folder Labels 6466:
As usual I've been using these file labels to cover the previous written tabs on my file folders. I don't know about you, but I'm big on recycling and if there's a way to save money; I'm all for it!
Avery removable labels are just the ticket for my "recycling" of folders! I simply put a new label on and when I no longer need that file, I lift the label off and change it something new!
This review is from Removable File Folder Labels 6466:
These were really easy to use and unlike the non-Avery brand of the same, they didnt jam or peel off & adhere to the inside of my printer. I also really like that they are removable, I use the same label on a new file after i wear the folders out or at the end of the month/year depending on its contents & Then I don't have to reprint & waste new labels, just peel it off & stick it on the new folder & if needed I then can hand write on the old folder before it goes into storage. They also feel more heavy-duty than some file folder labels & I don't worry about them tearing while i'm peeling them off the sheets. Another great Avery product.
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