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Reviewer: Rhett
Review Date: July 13, 2011
Format: Blu-ray
Released by: Blue Underground
Release date: June 28, 2011
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http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot1s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot1l.jpg)I love horror movie titles from the eighties. Theres definitely an article to be written about the evolving, sometimes cyclical history of the horror film title, but there is something about titles in the eighties that just defies analysis. The Changeling. The Strangeness. The Shining. The Brood. The Outing. The Keep. The Sender. The Suckling. The Redeemer. The Boogens. You take those titles at face value and they dont mean a lot, but in the context of horror written big on the poster or spoken gravely on the trailer, and they conjure horrors unthinkable. Just what the hell is it? These titles had a lingering, unsettling vague to them. Much how terror or tragedy would live on after the climax in eighties horror, so too would their titles. Theres just nothing better. After watching Blue Undergrounds new disc of another forgotten film from 1980, I can now add The Nesting to the list. Is it worth the perch, or does this one lay an egg?
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http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot3s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot3l.jpg)Lauren Cochran (Robin Groves, Silver Bullet) is a mystery novelist whos got a mystery of her own to solve. Shes just coming off the release of her new book, The Nesting, but shes having trouble leaving her own nest herself. Shes been diagnosed with agoraphobia by her psychiatrist, Dr. Webb (Patrick Farrelly, Tales from the Darkside), and in a bid to reclaim her sanity and beat this sudden, inexplicable ailment, Lauren vows to spend some time out in the country. She heads out of Manhattan and off to Dover Falls with her boyfriend, Mark (Christopher Loomis), to check out some real estate perhaps a summer cabin. While driving, they are stranded and forced to walk around a little. Lauren takes off in the woods, and by what seems to be divine intervention is led to a large, octagonal mansion in the middle of nowhere. The real coincidence, though, is that the house looks exactly like the one drawn on her book cover for The Nesting despite neither she, nor her illustrator, ever seeing the place. Its destiny, Lauren must have this place!
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot18s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot18l.jpg)After some friendly inquiries, Lauren finds the place to be under the ownership of Colonel Lebrun (John Carradine, Shock Waves, The Boogeyman) and his grandson Daniel Griffith (Michael David Lally). When she asks the colonel about taking residence in the mansion to writer her next novel, hes befit with some distress and collapses. Daniel lets her stay anyway, and before long shes settled in but shes not alone. Theres talk of the place being haunted, and after the dreams Lauren has been having, she believes it. First its hands on her naked body, then a forties madame sinisterly beckoning her from the front door. A crack in the window, a fresh burning cigarette someone has to be around. As each night passes, Laurens dreams seem to get more vivid and more bizarre, each one involving the house and some unseen history within its walls. Its the forties, lascivious women walk scantly clad throughout, and wartime men romance them. She starts as an observer, but eventually she becomes one of them. Shes part of the dream. Whats going on?
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot5s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot5l.jpg)The calamity doesnt stop at the dream though Lauren witnesses death first hand when her psychiatrist, who came upon her insistence, is accidentally hurled off the roof when trying to rescue her from a scare. Then later, shes nearly raped by the handyman before hes drowned in the lake. After the third death involving a friend of the colonels, its clear this is too much for coincidence. Theres an evil in that house, and Lauren is going to have to face it head on if she wants to beat her phobia and free the secret hidden within the mansion walls. For in it these spirits have been nesting ever since a vague, murderous prologue.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot7s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot7l.jpg)Like 1982s Madman, The Nesting is directed by a pornographer looking to make his break into mainstream filmmaking, and like Madmans Joe Giannone, based on the quality of the work here, its a shame Armand Weston never really broke. For a low budget, first-time feature in 1980, its rather remarkable with how professional The Nesting is from top to bottom. Its got a great cast, with old veterans like Carradine and Oscar winner Gloria Grahame (The Bad and the Beautiful, Blood and Lace), and surprisingly likeable and supporting turns from the bulk of the cast who never really saw much work since. The standout is of course Groves as the tortured lead, put through the ringer physically and emotionally, clothed and unclothed. Its a rarity, especially in 1980, to see a movie where the Final Girl is not just some pretty teenager, and Groves takes her extra years and shows how someone with more of a history can make for a much more interesting character. Whether shes by herself in a room full of pyrotechnics or shes standing quiet trying to piece her thoughts together, shes a consistent presence on the screen and someone that really anchors the film. Considering it was her first film role, Weston guided her well.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot2s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot2l.jpg)Even more surprising, though, is Westons creativity behind the camera, using a number of optical tricks and stagings to get the most out of his story. Early on, Laurens agoraphobia is effectively visualized by double exposing the frame and having her conscious (shown physically as another version of herself), getting up half-transparent and walking out the front door. Later, when the darker elements kick in, Weston orchestrates a number of excellent scares by having hands come from shadows, lakes and beds when it seems theres no way for a person to be there. You can tell Weston had a very particular visual conception for the film, and as executed by Joao Fernandez (who graduated from porn along with Weston and would later make a greater mark on the genre by collaborating often with Joseph Zito on both The Prowler and Friday the 13th The Final Chapter).
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Top to bottom, The Nesting, is filled with grand performances and impactful cinematography. Its a good thing, too, because the film is a slow burn, and without that weight to carry it, it could have easily drowned in its 103 minute runtime. Much of the film is psychological, dealing with instances in Laurens head, but again, Weston finds a creative way to visualize them into some pretty frightful set pieces.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot12s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot12l.jpg)Theres even a great bit that predates Christine a few years, where Marks car starts to play music on its own and slam its hood shut as a kind of fair warning for him to turn back. The show stopper is rightfully saved for the end, making the most of the eerie old house. Weston demonstrates an understanding of the craft throughout The Nesting by visualizing plot and emotion when so often the impetus for most directors is to vocalize it. Looking at the deleted scenes including on this disc and noticing all the on-the-nose bits of dialogue that were cut to preserve the ambiguity of the story and the payoff of the conclusion, its clear that Weston knew exactly how to play his audience. And how to entertain them.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot9s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot9l.jpg)While not overly gory or lewd, The Nesting still proves adult with effectively staged death sequences and some well shot bits of nudity. Weston takes a moment in horror thats usually throw away the nude scene, and turns it into a stunning moment of both personal reflection for Lauren, and seconds later, one of the films best scares. Proving he knew what he was doing when he made all those erotic films in the seventies, he also directs a surprisingly tasteful, yet erotic, love scene. In terms of grue, we get a nice eye impaling to start, but he again saves the money for the finale, which is shot entirely in slow motion over a number of shots and minutes. Its like a series of Norman Rockwell tableaus of Americana decimated by blood and carnage. Yet another thing you dont expect from a little horror movie from 1980.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot6s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot6l.jpg)I wasnt expecting a whole lot when I popped The Nesting in my player, but I found myself pleasantly surprised scene after scene. This is a well-made movie hell, even the script, also penned by Weston and Dawn of the Mummy writer Daria Price, deserves a tip of the hat. The ending really pays off, and again, like with the performances and the cinematography, its a lot smarter and more creative than what was typically being put out at the time. Give it a look The Nesting is where horror fans of all types should favorably come to roost.
Image Quality
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot14s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot14l.jpg)Encoded in typically high bitrate AVC, The Nesting looks lush on this dual-layer Blu-ray. Colors are splendid, really popping from the screen, be it Laurens red dress or the greens in the countryside that surrounds the mansion. J. Fernandez gave the film a good look already, and the 35mm negative appears as pristine as it ever was. Its a beautiful looking movie and a beautiful looking transfer, without print damage or even any noticeable specs. Sharpness is preserved, being able to see every one of John Carradines wrinkles. Grain is left intact, too, with a few of the optical sequences appearing grainier and less rich than others. There is no noticeable sharpening done, just overall a clean, vibrant, film-like transfer.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot8s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot8l.jpg)When an independent 1980 horror flick is beating out Argentos Inferno and Deep Red when it comes to fidelity and envelopment, you know youve got a good mix on your hands. The Nesting sounds pretty good in DTS-HD 7.1. The sound space really opens up during the nightmarish sequences, and a few of the jump scares near the start really register across all eight speakers for a good sense of envelopment. Dialogue and music has surprising fullness and while not particularly directional, projects much better than its age. The soundtrack is also very clean, without audible hissing, scratching or any other noticeable imperfections. The film clearly had good post-sound, because a lot of the effects sound very crisp, especially screams. That the film was preserved well and transferred with care by Blue Underground makes this an all around excellent vintage remaster.
Supplemental Material
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot24s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot24l.jpg)When The Nesting was initially announced, there was talk of doing a lengthier directors cut with some newly discovered footage. While that never did materialize, the footage is presented here in its entirety in full 1080p over a handful of scenes. Most are extended and a few are deleted, including a good little bit in the attic. Its probably a good idea Blue Underground didnt try to assemble some extended cut from this footage, because most of it is talky and a bit too obvious in its setup the finale really would have been ruined had some of the early bits of exposition in the psychiatrists office been reinstated. Not all the footage has its sound, too, which would have made it tough to include. The car chase is quite a bit longer here without sound, but there are a few really good stunts, including a drive between two houses. Overall, a nice inclusion of extras, but by no means essential, and something that rightfully should remain extras and not part of the main feature.
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot23s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot23l.jpg)Also included are a number of promotional pieces, including two trailers (one English, one Spanish), three TV spots and a pretty extensive poster and still gallery. The gallery was assembled with care by longtime Blue Underground alum Greg Chick, and not only features the entire press kit and pretty much every poster, ad, box cover and still imaginable, but also features some intriguing production documents. Included are scans of the letters sent from the MPAA about the rating process, a few other letters about company names and a potential lawsuit, a newspaper clipping about how the mansion owner was trying to sue the filmmakers for trashing the house (they urinated on the floor like animals!) and a few more. Even though nobody from the film speaks on the disc extras, you get a pretty good sense of the history of the film just through the still gallery. Great job there. Also interesting the memorable cover art used for the poster and this Blu-ray was actually painted by Armand Weston himself. A true jack of (off?) all trades!
Final Thoughts
http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot13s.jpg (http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/n-z/nesting/nesting_shot13l.jpg)All these great vague two word eighties titles imply that theres something odd, inexplicable and affecting lingering about, and in the case of The Nesting, Blue Underground has a solid unseen gem on their hands here. With a mature story, accomplished performances, creative camerawork and some scary set pieces, its a shocker that definitely deserves a look. Blue Undergrounds transfer gets top marks all around, and the deleted scenes and the surprisingly robust still gallery help round off a fine release. It had been awhile since Blue Underground put out a horror property that hadnt long been in their possession, but hopefully theyre nesting more gems like this one. I could deal with being an agoraphobe pretty easily with titles like this in my collection. Recommended!
Movie - B+
Image Quality - A-*
Sound - A-
Supplements - C
*Because of the quality of the HD format, the clarity, resolution and color depth are inherently a major leap over DVD. Since any Blu-ray will naturally have better characteristics than DVDs, the rating is therefore only in comparison with other Blu-ray titles, rather than home video in general. So while a Blu-ray film may only get a C, it will likely be much better than a DVD with an A.
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Running time - 1 hour and 43 minutes
Not Rated
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English Dolby Digital EX 5.1
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French subtitles
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I got this a few days ago, and agree it's a good one. Too bad they couldn't get a commentary with John Carradine's ghost :)
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Nice review bro - so glad BU made this release happen, and in Blu taboot :)
I won't be able to get this until September but I can wait a few more extra months. I might even add it to my October line-up. Either way, looking forward to the re-visit. Haven't seen The Nesting since it was released by Warner on video. Nice review!
Holy crap. I bought this on VHS a few or more years back and it was nothing short of abominable. So dark and murky I might as well have just listened to it. Seeing screenshots in this review (and others) is like seeing something I've never even seen before, and I certainly don't remember boobies! All hail Blue Underground!
If I ever get a blu ray player this will be my first purchase. I have the Warner Bros vhs and it wasn't too bad picture quality wise
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Wouldn't it be wise for them to make another move and get Patrick Surtain???
Not only are they replacing Buchanon with Surtain,a much better DB considered one of the bests today, they take away the chance of the Chiefs getting Surtain. The Chiefs are going to need a top flight DB tandem in order to cover the combinations of:
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Download owner's manual 4-Channel amplifier Two 30-Amp ATO blade fuses (1 installed/1 spare) Two 4-gauge crimp-on barrier spade connectors Eight 12-gauge crimp-on barrier spade connectors One 14-gauge crimp-on barrier spade connector Four 3/4" Self-tapping screws Eight 16-22 Gauge butt connectors Owner's manual (English/ Spanish/ German/ French) Power certification sheet Features and Specs Performance RMS Power Output (Watts x Channels) 25 x 4 Peak Power Output (Watts x Channels) N/A Power at 2 Ohms (Watts x Channels) 50 x 4 Bridged Power (Watts x Channels) 100 x 2 Minimum Impedance Bridged 4 Minimum Impedance Unbridged 2 Best Frequency Response 20-20k Hz THD at Rated RMS Power 1% Signal to Noise Ratio 85 dB Input Voltage 14.4v Features Amplifier Class AB Low-Pass Crossover Frequency 80 Hz Low-Pass Slope (dB/octave) 18 dB/oct High-Pass Crossover Frequency 100 Hz High-Pass Slope (dB/octave) 18 dB/oct Bass Boost 0, 9 dB Bass Boost Frequency 40 Hz Fan Cooled No Fuse Rating 30 Speaker Level Inputs RCA (adapter req) Preamp Outputs No Width (inches) 10-1/2 Height (inches) 2-1/4 Depth (inches) 8-5/16 Parts Warranty 2 Years Labor Warranty 2 Years Product Research Features Controls Connections Warranty Features CEA 2006 Compliant: The Kicker DX200.4's power and signal to noise ratio are measured according to CEA 2006 standards (Consumer Electronics Association). 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Ok so I tried to weld 035 SS plates together today and it looks terrible between the burn through and poor penetration I did see a little weld that looked good but the back side of the weld looked like crap.
That beeing said what would you guys set a syncrowave 200 at to get good welds and how much tungsten needs ti stick out of the cup?
I have the red tungsten sharpened with a flat point.
tried using about 20 amps on AC PPS at 3.
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I'd switch from AC to DCEN (DC, Electrode Negative).
Use a 1/16" thoriated (red end) tungsten sharpened to
a fine point. Hope you have a foot pedal. Stickout from
the cup around 3/8". Run 100% argon at 20 CFH. I'd set
the machine to 50 A, so you can adjust down from there
with the foot pedal once you get your puddle established.
Keep the tip of the electrode about 1/4" from the workpiece.
Disclaimer: I've only got a couple of hours GTAW (TIG)
welding under my belt.
You'll also need to either back-purge the joint or keep the penetration to a minimum to prevent the oxidation on the back side of the weld (the black crystal looking stuff).
Burning through and lack of penetration are opposite ends of the spectrum.
Like the man said - it's a DC process. You had the machine set wrong in a big way.
Filler shouldn't be needed, or at least very little. Try using some mig wire of appropriate composition in .030 if you need it. Just run the bead fast and it should fuse nicely after getting the puddle formed.
Stainless is a little trickier than mild steel, but they weld very similar. Thermal expansion can be a pain keeping things square and straight. Start with perfect fitting joints and tack them every couple inches or so and it should be easily managed.Syncrowave 250DX
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Thanks for the replys I will give it a try tomorow.
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David Dittmar - Looking at the map of this and taking off my disc golf glasses it certainly looks like this would provide much easier access to two large sub divisions, Woodfield, Glen Eves and the Autum Ridge apartment complex as well as other residential areas on Eves road. There is probably several million dollars in property taxes paid by homeowners in those neighborhoods.
So there is a large benefit to residents in the area. One angle I'd use is asking if funds can be included from the bonds to be used to completely redesign and redo the entire course if this project moves forward...
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January 21 at 12:37pm · Like
Rob Attaway - David Dittmar that is true, but there is plenty of land on the other side of the road
January 21 at 12:39pm · Like
David Dittmar - Where are you referring to Rob???
January 21 at 12:44pm · Like
Rob Attaway - If any changes to EVEs road is to take place they can only take place from HB up to the first subdivision. There are apartments and houses right after that. Therefore, the improvements are likely limited to that short stretch of road. Based on the map overhead if any changes in the road need to take place there is ample land on the west side of Eves road that have no houses, etc there. The park could remain intact.
January 21 at 12:46pm · Like
Dustin Penwright - That is not park land Rob. It would have to be purchased and repurposed from the commercial zoning to which it is being sold as. Also, if this was to redesign the park including the west side of Eves Rd, this would make golfers have to cross that busy road to play the course. I know I wouldn't want to try and cross that road between 4pm and 7pm to play!
January 21 at 12:49pm · Like
David Dittmar - Isn't the goal to provide access to the park from Eves, did I miss something?
I don't see how land on the other side of Eves helps and its most likely not park land either...
January 21 at 12:51pm · Like
Rob Attaway - I am specifically talking about the changes to eves road. The rest of the park changes are up to the parks and rec dept. If disc golfers cannot show that we bring value to the park then I am sure ERP Disc Golf wont be there much longer. The road can buy the land. No point in wasting park money for road improvements
January 21 at 12:51pm · Like
Rob Attaway - Hum... How is there not access now?
January 21 at 12:51pm · Like
David Dittmar - Road entrance to ERP from Eves, is there one? I can't see it on wikimapia, it looks like you have to go out to Holcomb Bridge, take a right and come around into ERP...
I'm not familiar with the area, just looking at the satellite overhead...
January 21 at 12:53pm · Like
Rob Attaway - There is a parking lot and a walk in trail. I use it all the time to start at hole 11 or 12
January 21 at 12:54pm · Unlike · 1
Dustin Penwright - There will be an intersection and a paved parking lot off Eves Rd where golfers now park to start on holes 11 or 12. Honestly, I park there nearly every time I go to ERP now and start on hole 12. All the land across Eves Rd on the other side of the street from holes 14, 15 and 16's tee is currently available for sale commercially. That property runs a good long stretch down Holcomb Rd at Eves going west. And David if you go into the event and click on the link I posted it will show you the DOT visual submitted by engineers.
January 21 at 12:57pm · Like
David Dittmar - That's just for access to the course right, It looks like this project wants to provide traffic access to the entire park from Eves to benefit homeowners on that side of the park...
January 21 at 12:57pm · Like
Dustin Penwright - Correct. But I see it as being a local "cut through" for people wanting to go east on Holcomb Br that are too impatient to wait at the light at Eves and Holcomb during peak traffic times
January 21 at 12:59pm · Edited · Like · 1
David Dittmar - Dustin, I am looking at thishttp://www.roswellgov.com/documentcenter/view/6286, is the yellow a road? Looks like it and it looks to me the intent it to provide them road access to the park.
You bring up a good point though Dustin, I'd specifically bring up people cutting through the park to avoid traffic...
January 21 at 1:00pm · Like
Dustin Penwright - Yes. The yellow is a road that will continue out of the parking lot by the tennis courts where it now dead ends.
January 21 at 1:01pm · Like
David Dittmar - Of course that does not look like it would help anyone in traffic to be honest. Looks to me that this is specifically for traffic access to the park itself from the neighborhoods on Eves...
January 21 at 1:02pm · Like
Dustin Penwright - Correct. It is suppose to make access easier to the park from those subdivisions. Stop light, cross walks and connection to the walking trail that encompasses ERP
January 21 at 1:03pm · Like
David Dittmar - Just get Thomas Lackey to buy all of the commercial land and install a course on it...
January 21 at 1:04pm · Like · 1
Dustin Penwright - Ah-hahahaha!
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Scott Walker - The Eves Road Complete Street project involves right-of-way, drainage, sidewalk, bike lane, and other improvements along the entire length of Eves Road, from Holcomb Bridge to Riverside. Most of those are designed to be able to be completed without additional right-of-way acquisition. The original conceptual plan included a roundabout at Eves Circle, into which an exit-only road from the park would feed. This would also have entailed relocating the existing parking area on Eves Road. The roundabout was eliminated from the funded plan as being too expensive. But the idea of a road from the parking area near the tennis courts survived. And no one from the DOT has answered my questions about whether that's still envisioned as a one-way exit only route or as a two-way alternative entry. The only rational benefit I've heard for the road is that it would allow an alternative route out in the event of an emergency that closes Fouts Road. One intent that's been mentioned in recent materials is "improving access to the park from Eves Road" -- that's a double-edged sword from my perspective, as it would introduce through traffic (and more than I think the DOT may have anticipated) into areas of the park that are heavily used and quite close to the right of way. That decision may come down to whether the need to drop Megan off at her dance class at the Rec Center without getting on Holcomb Brige outweighs the fact that the dozens of people who walk the trails every day will now have to cross a through street twice to may a full circuit.
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Dustin Penwright - Even though there is a stop sign and quite a few MASSIVE speed breakers through the park, it would not stop people from cutting through once they realize they have a way around the Eves/Holcomb intersection. Especially because the light at Eves/Holcomb is a short light and only allows a dozen or so cars through each cycle
January 21 at 1:16pm · Like · 3
Scott Walker - Dustin -- yep. Like I've said before, my neighbors in Twelvestones have mostly said that while they don't think there's a need for the road, if it's there they'll probably use it to cut through over to Eves/Riverside, etc., since the light at Fouts and HBR has an even shorter green/longer red from Fouts than the one at Eves. I don't believe that the city has accurately projected the amount of through traffic (vs. traffic to/from the park) that route would get, no matter how many "no through traffic" signs they put up. That's why, if the intent is primarily to allow for an alternative emergency exit route, improving the walking path to support vehicle use from the parking lot between the maintenance shed and the tennis courts up along the edge of Autumn Ridge and into the existing parking lot, but making it closed to traffic under ordinary circumstances, would be a good alternative that would avoid most of the adverse consequences of a full-on road, even a one-way one.
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David Dittmar - Bumping this up because it is today...
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Thomas Lackey - This road is going to increase danger throughout the park and neighborhoods. That alone is cause for vetoing their road project.
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Scott Walker - Thomas Lackey -- I believe you are right in that. What I'm hoping to do this evening is get the city DOT representatives to explain first what the rationale for making the road part of the overall project was in the first place, and to explain what they have done to assess the impact of the current plan. I want to know what they believe about it before trying to counter that -- I don't want to start off with an argument against something that they haven't said yet. But I do think there are rational and convincing arguments against just about every rationale/scenario I've been able to think up.
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Thomas Lackey - As you may have seen I tweeted it a minute ago, and so far it has already been retweeted by Atlanta Now, and a few other Real Estate firms. Hoping that it is getting a lot of exposure as we know the DOT is very stubborn, but with enough exposure maybe 1 or 2 important non-disc golfers will show up and voice their concerns about safety for the walkers and children throughout the area.
11 hours ago · Like
Scott Walker - Yep. There were articles/mentions of it in the two dead-tree weekly free papers, and last week and again today in the Roswell Patch online news site also.
11 hours ago · Like · 1
David Dittmar - Scott, the project map on this site definitely does not include a road. That looks like a sidewalk or trail, You may have posted something I missed on changes, but as it is shown on Roswell's site for the project it is not a road and does not connect all the way to the other side of the tennis courts. When was this changed?
Black should indicate paved areas and green apparently indicates sidewalk, nothing on the legend for orange...
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11 hours ago · Like
David Dittmar - Sorry, grey = sidewalk...
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Scott Walker - Dave, neither that page nor that map have been updated in months. It still hadn't been updated when the parks guys told me that the plan for the road was back on the table and now funded, the Friday before Thanksgiving. The page specifically about the Eves Road Complete Street project originally had no more info than the one you linked to. The detail map, showing the road in yellow, wasn't posted online until after I had communicated with the city's transportation director and asked a number of questions about the plans, in mid -December. As soon as that went up, I posted about it on the RDGC FB page. Since then, the text on that page has been updated a couple of times with slightly more info, including explicit mention of "vehicular access" between Eves Road and the park. Apparently, reporters for the local newspapers/web sites have been able to eliciit a little more info than I could from the city, as their articles on the public meeting include the details that the road will be 18 ft wide and approximately 600 feet long. In addition to the info online, trees in planned right of way area have been flagged with blue tape again recently, apparently as an indication of the anticipated route. I'm basing my assessment of the potential impact to the course on a combination of those sources.
11 hours ago · Like · 1
David Dittmar - Gotcha, I think you need to ask for the DOT study of adding that road, assuming that there is one.
Also, is the RDGC page a group page?
10 hours ago · Like
Dustin Penwright - Scott - I got out of work early so I will be at the meeting this evening. Is there any paperwork I need to bring with me or have you got what we need for discussion?
8 hours ago · Like
Scott Walker - Dustin Penwright: just bring yourself and a spirit of constructive engagement. Tonight's mainly about learning the details of the plans and subtly demonstrating by sheer number of attendees that there's a lot of interest in what happens. Any fight, if one is necessary, will happen in other venues later (Transportation Commission, Rec Commission, City Council). Whatever education of the parties involved we can do will help, as long as it's not overly confrontational.
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Rob Attaway - I would like someone to note that if the topic of no money for the disc golf course is an issue then what about the walking trail or the dog park or pavilion use that does not require a reservation? I do not think there are groups that provide free upkeep to those amenities.
7 hours ago · Like
Rob Attaway - In terms of revenue for the park
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Rob Attaway - would they charge for bike lane use if that amenity was installed on eves?
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Scott Walker - Rob -- well, the walking paths are affected by the proposal in at least two places. The dog park happens to be in the clear. Just like the disc golf course, the RRPD would rather have them than not. But when it comes to how far they're willing to go to fight another city department in order to save them, whether or not revenue-producing programs are affected has a lot to do with it. It'd be surprising if there's another park feature in the city that supports as many active users as the dg course for as little ongoing cost to the city. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that someone somewhere thinks they're solving a problem for at least some residents of the city. In my opinion, they're doing so while causing bigger problems (traffic, safety, etc.) for others, and may be doing so in ignorance of the effect it may have on existing facilities (walking trails, playgrounds, dg course). Making sure those factors are fully considered is my main objective tonight.
6 hours ago · Like · 2
Emeline Renz - how did the meeting go? I had an appointment else I would have been there.
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Dustin Penwright - I want to thank Scott Walker, Craig Nettleship, Brett Porter and Andrew T. Lofstrand for joining me tonight at the public meeting to "Save East Roswell Park"! We were able to get our points across to quite a few different reps with the City of Roswell. There is still some leg work to do from here.
about an hour ago · Like · 2
David Dittmar - Thanks Dustin for the update...
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Craig Nettleship - Certainly more to talk about and we will have to be diligent and make it to the future committee meetings. However, after 45 mins of cornering the DOT engineering director we have the commitment for a traffic study of the proposed road and a feasibility study which entails routing the road over the existing walking path to the left of #11 teepad. If the road is routed in this way only hole 11 is impacted.
As more meetings are scheduled it's critically important for all of us that play ERP regularly to show up. The shear numbers of comment cards completed and warm bodies standing in support has a more powerful impact than what I realized.
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Dustin Penwright - Exactly! I was told that of the 37 comment cards that were submitted through the Roswell.gov website 34 of them were from Disc Golfers! 3 individuals including the Transportation Director (yes Scott Walker he showed up right after you left) never considered how this was going to impact the course. One of the reps thought this was only going to affect 2 holes and had never considered it trampling 17 and 18. As Craig said, they are going to draw up another plan that takes the "access road" to the left of 11 and around the backside of the tennis courts. This is FAR from over but the 5 of us gave them a hearty earful for 2 hours (along with concerned neighboring residents) about this connection being more impactful than they had thought. Scott will continue to keep us updated on meeting times and progress to this project.
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Dustin Penwright - Where were you Thomas Lackey? I see that a round got posted with Watson from ERP this afternoon.... what's up with that?!?!?
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Thomas Lackey - Ryan Watson and I played ERP with Mitchell Summers, and then Ryan called Scott Walker and asked him if it was necessary for us to be there. We chose to then go play a big bag tag round at Oregon with Austin Lytle, Matt Versola, Kevin DuBose, Adam Ray, Zak Holt, David Simanski, and Brandon Pittman. I'm sorry we didn't stay. I heard we could have given some valuable insight, but it appears Rob Attaway, Craig Nettleship, you and others were able to say the things we would have reiterated.
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Dustin Penwright - Ok. Just thought that since you said you were going to be there you would have been there thats all.
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Thomas Lackey - That was Why I asked Ryan to meet me at ERP, I was looking for a 2 birds in one stone type of thing. Woods Practice and the Meeting, since I'm playing Warner all day Saturday, but I had a lot of fun and somehow managed to neither move up nor move down in tags.... LOL
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Dustin Penwright - I get it, just figured that since you said you were going to be there with such fire and emotion that you would have put golf aside for an afternoon and come voice your imput. But again... no big deal.
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Scott Walker - The other guys have given a good update on the basics. I was the first one there and buttonholed the transportation engineering manager from the transportation dept for quite a while at the beginning. Also got a ton of face time with the chair of the R...See More
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Andrew Fish - Once again, this is a great conversation that will be lost forever because FB doesn't archive well. Lackey, don't bitch about courses, designs, or formats if you don't put any legwork into improvements. Guys, thanks for going representing interests. Sucks that we're getting hosed in two parts of the park in the same year. Fish out, never to respond here again.
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Dustin Penwright - Thanks Fish! May the Course be with You!
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Kay Johns - Scott Walker could just copy this Entire thread to the ERP thread on ADGO for archiving purposes Fish! Then nothing would be lost.
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Thomas Lackey - I'm at a loss for words.... I do my best at recruiting players from all over the nation (sales being more of my forte) to come visit our courses and tournaments, I'm sorry to all that I wasn't there tonight.
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Scott Walker Key points:
1) There have been no studies or surveys done regarding either the need for or the prospective use of the road. A consultant decided it might be a good idea, and the transportation guys all agreed. So -- we can definitely press the point that they need to determine what the real impact would be.
2) I think both the transportation and rec representatives were surprised by the consistency with which they heard from everyone that a *lot* of people will use that road not only to get to/from Eves Road and the park, but also from Fouts Road (Twelvestones neighborhood AND the new library) to Eves Road. By midway through, I think they had realized they were underestimating the impact the road would have.
3) A number of non-disc golfers did show up (signin sheet had 26 names on it before Andrew Lofstrand signed in about 6:30, and of those fewer than 10 by my count were disc golfers). Many of them were people who use the park to walk and were opposed because of the negative effect on the walking paths.
4) The rec and parks folks would like an alternative way besides Fouts Road to evacuate the park in the event of a gas main break or other problem that would both close Fouts Road and require getting people out quickly. But they'd prefer a one-way, exit-only option, and wouldn't mind if that were available for emergency use only, as long as it can get a fire truck and other large emergency vehicles in and out.
5) Rec and parks definitely share our concern about the proximity of a through street to the play structure, to the effect on the walking paths and other rec facilities, including disc golf, etc.
6) Did I say already that I think we did ourselves a great service by having so many disc golfers show up, straight from work, and talk reasonably, intelligently, and informedly about the issues around the road, about the effect on the course, about the great stuff going on with disc golf in general and in Roswell specifically.
If this road doesn't kill the course, it might be the best thing that ever happened to us. We got face time with Joe Glover (Director of Recreation and Parks) and two Rec Commission members, including the chair, that we've been trying for years to get, and they also got a chance to meet and talk with several disc golfers at once. Thanks again to everyone who came out and who participated in the online discussion. Explaining things online gave us a chance to think through the issues and refine the message about them and then communicate that -- because we'd all had these online conversations the last few weeks, I think we all came across as informed, credible, reasonable, and we were consistent enough that the city reps heard the same concerns over and over again -- and they'll definitely know they have to address those issues to move this forward.
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Dustin Penwright - Thomas Lackey, recruiting does nothing if you don't have courses for them to come play on... just sayin.


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Fairfax County�s next county executive is a familiar face. Edward Long Jr., 59, retired as deputy county executive last May after a 34-year career with the county.
The Board of Supervisors appointed Long at its meeting Tuesday. He will receive an annual salary of $257,282 and said he will be giving up his retirement annuity to come out of retirement.
�The county is truly fortunate that Ed decided to come out of a well-deserved retirement to lead the county,� said Supervisor Penelope Gross (D-Mason).
County Executive Anthony Griffin, who has led the county�s professional staff since 2000, is slated to retire later this month. Long will take over April 25.
Long, an Alexandria native who now lives in Centreville, joined the county as a budget analyst in 1977 and worked his way up through the ranks, serving as the county budget director prior to becoming the chief financial officer and deputy county executive. Despite his budget-focused background, Long said he is familiar with all aspects of county operations.
�I would consider myself more of a generalist,� Long said, noting that his college background is in political science and urban studies.
However, the incoming county executive also views budget matters as the biggest challenge facing the county right now. He said the county leadership is still grappling with �the new normal� shrinking revenue streams to meet growing needs.
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Alex Berezow and Stephen Meyer talk about God and Evolution on the Michael Medved Show
"I believe that demonstrating the existence of intelligent agency with the tools of science is impossible." - Alex Berezow
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So what is BioLogos? Well it all began with a scientist and a book.
In common English usage, "theory" means something like "guess" or "hunch". In science, however, a theory is an idea that has stood the test of time.
The word evolution can be used in many ways, but in biology, it means descent with modification. In other words, small modifications occur at the genetic level (i.e. in DNA) when a new generation descends from its parents. Over many generations these modifications can result in significant differences from the ancestral population.
Is evolution driven mainly by random genetic variation, or are there other factors at play? Michael Burdett reviews the scientific debate.
A common challenge to evolutionary theory is that while life does indeed change over time (what is known as microevolution), no one has ever seen one species evolve into another species (macroevolution).
Written by BioLogos Fellow of Biology Dennis Venema, this series of posts is intended as a basic introduction to the science of evolution for non-specialists.
This entry was originally posted on February 17, 2010. In this video conversation, Jeff Schloss makes the observation that when we use the term "evolution", it is not always exactly clear what we are actually discussing unless we denote the intended usage.
The evidence suggests that God has chosen to work through a random process, one which involves the routine creation and destruction of millions of cells that never get used. This is the ordinary means by which God maintains our health. The miracles of healing recorded in the Bible are miraculous precisely because they don't occur by this normal, natural process.
... I would exhort these, my fellow conservative evangelical shepherds and thinkers, to set aside all reticence and fear, emerge from anonymity, and storm the forum of discourse, engaging this most pressing matter with vigor, equanimity, and humility. In doing so, know upfront that there will be few handrails to guide; you will not be building upon an extensive precedence of published conservative thought.
The tension generated by our understanding of God's character, as revealed in the Bible, and by the reality of the natural world around us has been the focus of much debate within the Christian church since the first century. This series examines critically several of the proposed solutions to this problem, viewing them from the perspective of a geologist, paleontologist, and orthodox evangelical Christian.
In this series, we reexamine the claim made by Intelligent Design proponent Michael Behe to have found a limit to "Darwinian" evolution in light of recent results from the laboratory of Richard Lenski.
The debate is often not about evidence, but about making sure that others do not transgress our interpretive boundaries and insist that we're wrong. We've bitten from the tree of knowledge and we love its taste.
When they imagine evolution, many Christians picture novelty: new species arising over time, or speciation events. But as the most recent Southern Baptist Voices exchange makes clear, many Christians also focus on the role of death in evolution—something that can be a stumbling block.
It is one thing to say that death is primordial; it is another to view it as the central means of creation. The theological uneasiness about this issue ultimately rests not just on an understanding of God's creative activity, but also on a particular representation of evolution.
We live in exciting times for a geneticist: more and more genomes are being sequenced, and more and more novel genome-wide analyses are being performed to shed light on what all those newly-determined sequences mean.
Our desire to engage in gracious dialogue with fellow believers who reject biological evolution has been receiving increased attention in both the Christian and secular press. More importantly, we are being joined in this reconciling project by our brothers and sisters in Christ who have often been defined primarily as our "opponents".
This ongoing series written by historian Ted Davis begins with a brief synopsis of his personal background, and then goes on to reveal his passion for debunking "the now-common view that the history of science and Christianity is one of ongoing, inevitable conflict."


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Washington D.C. -- The cost for a 4th of July picnic is up... a survey from the American Farm Bureau Federation found that the average cost for a picnic for 10 this Independence Day is $58.72. that's more than 5 percent higher than last year.
Meat and diary prices have increased the most in price, including ground round, pork spare ribs and cheese.
There is some good news though... hot dog prices are down as well as the cost of ketchup.
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