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qHTS of Trypanosoma Brucei Inhibitors: Confirmatory Assay for Cherry-picked Compounds
Members of the Trypanosomatidae family of parasitic protozoans cause a spectrum of diseases throughout the tropical and subtropical world. Sleeping sickness, caused by two subspecies of Trypanosoma brucei, is endemic to areas of sub-Saharan Africa, while Chagas' disease, a manifestation of Trypanosoma cruzi infection, is prevalent throughout Central and South America. In addition, many species of more ..
BioActive Compounds: 597
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Members of the Trypanosomatidae family of parasitic protozoans cause a spectrum of diseases throughout the tropical and subtropical world. Sleeping sickness, caused by two subspecies of Trypanosoma brucei, is endemic to areas of sub-Saharan Africa, while Chagas' disease, a manifestation of Trypanosoma cruzi infection, is prevalent throughout Central and South America. In addition, many species of Leishmania are responsible for a range of cutaneous and visceral diseases, causing ulcers, destructive lesions and kalaazar, a lethal infection of the viscera. These diseases cause severe public health and economic burdens on populations that are often already caught in a tragic cycle of poverty, poor nutrition and disease. Collectively, parasites of the trypanosomatid family infect 30 million people worldwide (~500 million live in endemic areas), and account for ~130K deaths annually. Existing treatments have developed little in the past 50 years, and suffer from toxicity, poor efficacy and resistance; the goal of this project is to develop lead drugs that will be suitable for entry into pre-clinical trials.
This project will build on previous work that has demonstrated carbohydrate metabolism to be a strong drug target in trypanosomatids. {Verlinde, 2001} Blood-stream or infective stages of T. brucei are entirely dependent on glycolysis as a source of ATP, because the tricarboxylic acid cycle and oxidative phosphorylation are both repressed. Glycolysis in axenically cultured T. cruzi, representing the intracellular pathogenic stage, is also essential for these parasites. {Engel, 1987} This project aims to discover and optimize selective inhibitors of the glycolytic enzyme pyruvate kinase (PYK) from Trypanosoma brucei, the parasite that causes sleeping sickness. TbPYK has been validated as a drug target by RNAi where RNAi knockdown of PYK in T. brucei was found to be lethal to cultured parasites, with a 50% reduction in glycolytic flux sufficient to kill the cells.{Albert, 2005} Detailed structural information for PYK is available. Trypanosomatid PYKs show significant differences from their human counterparts including only 47-50% sequence identity and different allosteric and activation properties.{Callens, 1992} To this end, a qHTS was done against the MLSMR to discover inhibitors.
NIH Molecular Libraries Probe Production Network [MLPCN]
NIH Chemical Genomics Center [NCGC]
Grant: MH095452
PI Name: Malcolm Walkinshaw, University of Edinburgh
Two uL of TbPYK/substrate buffer (columns 1-3, 5-48) are dispensed into Greiner white solid bottom 1536-well assay plates; column 4 receives only TEA buffer as 0x TbPYK controls. Compounds are then transferred via Kalypsys pin tool equipped with 1536-pin array (10 nL slotted pins, V&P Scientific, San Diego, CA). Following addition of compound, 2 uL of ADP (130 uM final concentration, all columns) is added to initiate the reaction. The plates are then incubated at room temperature for 45 minutes. Kinase-Glo Plus reagent is added (3 uL) and plates incubated for 10 minutes, before being transferred to a ViewLux high-throughput CCD imager (PerkinElmer) wherein single end-point measurements of luminescence are acquired using a clear filter. All reagents are diluted in an assay buffer consisting of 50 mM TEA (pH 7.2), 100 mM KCl, 10 mM MgCl2, 0.05% BSA and 0.01% Tween-20.
All screening operations will be performed on a fully integrated robotic system (Kalypsys, San Diego, CA) containing one RX-130 and two RX-90 anthropomorphic robotic arms (Staeubli, Duncan, SC). Library plates will be screened starting from the lowest and proceeding to the highest concentration. Vehicle-only plates, with DMSO being pin-transferred to columns 5-48, will be inserted uniformly at the beginning and the end of each library in order to monitor and record any shifts in the background, which can be affected by reagent dispensers or loss in enzyme activity over time. Screening data will be corrected, normalized, and concentration-effect relationships will be derived by using publicly-available curve fitting algorithms developed in-house (http://ncgc.nih.gov/pub/openhts).
Compound Ranking:
1. Compounds are first classified as having full titration curves, partial modulation, partial curve (weaker actives), single point activity (at highest concentration only), or inactive. See data field "Curve Description". For this assay, apparent inhibitors are ranked higher than compounds that showed apparent activation.
2. For all inactive compounds, PUBCHEM_ACTIVITY_SCORE is 0. For all active compounds, a score range was given for each curve class type given above. Active compounds have PUBCHEM_ACTIVITY_SCORE between 40 and 100. Inconclusive compounds have PUBCHEM_ACTIVITY_SCORE between 1 and 39. Fit_LogAC50 was used for determining relative score and was scaled to each curve class' score range.
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From ChEMBL:
Assay Type: Functional
Result Definitions
* Activity Concentration. ** Test Concentration.
Additional Information
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Comic 135
Link: Comic 135
Title: Making the moth't of things - part 2
Date: December 2, 2005
Summary: Steve traps the Moth. Moth later speaks to Steve.
Onomatopoeias used: "TRAP!", "FLIK!","RATTLE!" "PLACE!", "ZZZ", "COO", "YEE-HAW!", "POF!"
Number of panels: 9
Panel 1
Steve puts glass over Moth.
Steve: Gotcha!
Panel 2
Steve smiles at his own wit.
Panel 3
Moth starts flying upwards, trying to escape the glass with a "FLIK! FLIK! RATTLE!"
Steve looks alarmed.
Panel 4
Beaver enters as Steve places a Heavy Book on top of glass cautiously.
Beaver: Come on Steve, time for bed. You can play with your little friend in the morning...
Moth: <glower>
Steve: Ok Beaver...
Panel 5
Text: SOON...
Steve is on his bed, asleep.
Steve: <ZZZZ>
He is dreaming of himself riding a giant pigeon.
Panel 6
His dream disappears as Steve hears something calling him.
Moth: SSSSSSSSSTEEEEVE
Panel 7
Steve is looking at the glass containing the Moth.
Moth: SSSSSSSSSSSSSTEEEEEEEEEEEVE
Steve: Wh- What do you want?
Panel 8
Moth: I want you to let me out Sssteve... Let me out so I can caress you with my creepy antennae and papery wings.
Steve: Um...Actually I think I'll just leave you in there 'til you starve if that's ok?
Moth: Do you know what moths eat Ssssteve...?
Steve: Um...Moss?
Moth: No Steve, I'll tell you what we eat...
Panel 9
Close up on Moth.
Moth: We eat fear, Sssteve. FEAR! NUM NUM!
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- Jumana Bitar
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- United Arab Emirates
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Are emotions essential for making rational decisions?
Emotions are embedded in humans. If we can't control them, does this mean we wont be able to make rational, wise decisions? Can we even control them?
Gail .
Jan 22 2013: What do you mean that you can't control emotions? Of course you can control them. It's your responsibility to do so.
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Emotions block the ability to make long-term rational decisions. They are fear-based. They are impulse-driven.
Most people do not know the difference between a "thought" and an "emotions". By confusing the two, they make decisions based on emotions even if those decisions require one to violate facts. This makes peoples' lives chaotic and unpredictable.
Thoughts PRECEDE emotions, not the other way around. Thoughts are based on your belief system. One who rages at the world is really raging against his/her own belief structure. A belief system can be changed, but it requires a willingness to do so.
Most peoples' belief systems contain contradictions, untested assumptions, and outright fabrications. When your belief system is less chaotic, so too will life be. That is when emotion/ego no longer rule you, so that you can rule your own life and chart your own course to your own self-chosen destiny.
It's called being "awake" or "self-aware". It is also called being enlightened or awakened - depending on who is speaking. You are not a victim of your emotions unless you ALLOW yourself to be so. If you allow this, then it is your responsibility to fully accept the responsibility for the consequences that you create.
Thought first, emotion second, actions third, consequences 4th. The emotion part is unnecessary, though there are such things as feelings - that are NOT emotions and don't work the same way as emotions. Skip the emotions and behaviors will shift dramatically - causing different consequences.
Emotions are fear-based - they focus on what happened or what might happen. Feelings are NOW based. They do not contain fear. Live in the present and life will transform itself before your perceptions.
Jan 26 2013: Eventhough i'm somehow confused between what you said and what Mathew said, i still find it true. I'm picking up pieces of information from evryone here so im not basically an expert in this field, im rather asking because of interest.
You seem to be thinking that emotions have negative impacts on our lives since we can be "victims" of our emotions, or maybe i just misunderstood the metaphor.
and its interesting to know that feelings and emotions are actually different.. i know them as only synonyms.
Thanks alot, great replyJan 22 2013: Emotions are essential for making rational decisions; it takes wisdom to know how emotions should be well-guided by reason.
Steve C
Jan 27 2013: I read once (or saw a vid once) that talked about people who had some brain damage to their emotional parts, leaving them with pretty much merely logical thinking. It said their lives basically crumbled because of it. That sounded fairly interesting.
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Jan 27 2013: Yea, emotions bring sense to our lives whether we control it or not
Jan 27 2013: I would describe it as bringing color or richness into our otherwise black and whites lives.
Jan 27 2013: thats a better description i must say, thanks Brian
Scot Wilcox
Jan 25 2013: Of course you can control emotions. It's ridiculously difficult, but very possible. You can change and become whoever you want to be. It'll take effort, discipline, education, and in my book some help from God. But you can do it.
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Jumana Bitar
Jan 26 2013: I agree. eventhough emotions are naturally put in us, we can always control them, by our choice, to be effective rather than destructive,
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Thanks Scot, very helpful
Jan 27 2013: Sometimes, but not always, Jumana. Example - disruptive sleep patterns of clinically depressed people or PTSD.
Jan 28 2013: I think that goes beyond just simple emotion and starts going into disorder. I'm not really talking about chemical imbalances or things that require drugs. Most of us don't have that kind of issue.Jan 28 2013: Good point, Scot. I was using a more extreme case to prove a point. We have neural pathways that connect directly into the limbic system which bypasses the prefrontal cortex. Brain scans show that we can feel something prior to actual awareness of the feeling. At that point we can distract ourselves, blunt our emotions, or maybe reframe the event. I am assuming that is what we mean by control..Jan 27 2013: Thanks for challenging me Jumana.We are driven by emotions, emotions and reason, and just reason depending on the circumstances. I was really referring to a subset of decision making that doesn't activate the limbic system and just involves reason. Example - Can I help two people or one person with this one hundred dollars? Do I want two scoops of ice cream or one (quantity, reason) versus do I want vanilla or chocolate (limbic, emotion)? The out of control trolley car question posed by Micharl Sandel from Harvard College at the beginning of his "Justice" course is another example of this. No limbic system involved in the first question while limbic system involved in the second question (based on scientific research). The students answer his first question easily but feel uncomfortable with the second question because it no longer feels right even though the same underlying principal holds true! (There was or is a benefit from an evolutionary perspective for our inconsistency in adhering to that one principal.) Good luck!
Jan 27 2013: I see what you mean now.Thank you! and i made a mistake it's Daniel Goelman not David, sorry. Have a good dayJan 24 2013: You might want to read "How we Decide" by Jonah Lehrer which will give you a more accurate answer to this question using scientific research. People that lose the emotional function in their limbic system become paralyzed by indecision. They know they want chicken, fish, or steak for dinner but can't decide which one. Our limbic system calibrates our preferences through the intensity of our emotions enabling us to make a choice.
Rational and wise are not necessarily the same thing. I interpret rational decisions as being more "emotionless" while wise decisions as the combination of both reason and emotion. If we are very good at a job or sport or other endeavor through prolonged practice then our emotional or intuitive parts of our brain tend to be more trustworthy so our "fast logic" feels right. Otherwise, include reason in your decision.
Jan 26 2013: Actually what drove me to asking this question is the book by David Goleman "Emotional intellgence", but sure id love to read this one.
Indeed, including reason in decision is important, but you said that "our limbic system calibrates our preferences....enabling us to make a choice" which i believe means that emotions drive our choices (if im wrong please tell me). but my question to you Brian is how come rational decisions are "emotionless" if they are basically motivated by emotions? Im a bit confused here..Jan 24 2013: G'day Jumana
Interesting question……Everything that we do is emotionally driven either it be rational or irrational so I would have to say no to the question. Let's say starting a war over oil is an emotional response which I would say is irrational but defending oneself against the theft of oil is also an emotional response which is quite rational in my view.
Rationality comes from little emotions & the less emotions one has the more rational one will be. Hitler was very irrational not because he was heartless & cold therefore emotionless but because he was full of emotion just like any so called cold blooded killer. To want to kill is a very strong emotion which is usually an irrational response to our emotions. How introvert & emotionalist can a scientist be especially while conducting an experiment? How emotional are they but they are very rational.
The less emotional one is the more rational one will be I think!!
Jumana Bitar
Jan 26 2013: completely agree on everything that we do is emotionally driven, in fact ive read this, that our "emotional" brain actually existed before the other parts of the brain...ofc taking into consideration that we have "two minds" if you know what i mean.
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Interesting question and an interesting reply, thanks MathewJan 22 2013: Yes, I think they are in a way. Otherwise, frustration might appear. If there is always a mismatch between our instinctive desires and our final decisions, we will eventually get frustrated. So, we'd better take them into account.
Jan 26 2013: Exactly, balance is the solutionJan 22 2013: Primal reactions (which tend to have emotional content) kick in first, which is why people sometimes advise not being impulsive. On the other hand, research I have read recently but for which I, unfortunately, do not remember the location/citation, says that people's first instinct is typically more generous than choices made upon reflection.
Biases will be part of actions, even for those highly aware that they have biases. Daniel Kahneman's Nobel address, available online, addresses this often overlooked, but in his case carefully and competently researched, point. Biases will have partly an emotional basis and partly are the result of the sequence and way the person has gathered evidence.No one can have what economists call "perfect information" for making all his/her decisions.Jan 22 2013: Not an expert in the area, can't say about essentiality of emotion......just from common sense and observation and a bit of rational thinking...it seems with the information load in our brain we always seems to have some emotional bias...
The other point is , well say someone is deciding completely rationally ...what will happen then? That decision going to impact others.....but they are not completely rational like the decision taker....what will be response then ?
Human being emotional , I feel a bit mix of emotion even in rational decision can bring more positive impact.
That being said , it all also depends on perspective of time , place and perspective what kind of decision one need go for or should go for ........
What do you think/feel?
Jan 26 2013: Well Salim, I'm not an expert either :) so i might be wrong but ill try to tell you what i think is right..
Regarding your point about deciding completely rationally, i think we have to look on the impact of the decision on the decision maker himself first rather than on others around him since the consequences will be his responsibility.
And ofcourse there are many factors that affect decision making, perspective, place, beliefs, and even emotions to an extent.Jan 22 2013: I don't know whether acting by the emotions is right thing to do.Usually i think we do make decisions by heart rather by mind when we are emotionally driven by a person and when we make decisions we can't judge exactly whether it is right or wrong.It all depends upon the result of the decision made.


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A new exhibition at the University of Pennsylvania Museum of Archaeology and Anthropology September 26, 2010 through February 6, 2011
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The Excavation at the Temple Court in Nippur
Oil on Canvas
Osman Hamdi Bey
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This painting, based on an 1893 photograph by John Henry Haynes, was commissioned by the University of Pennsylvania in 1903 for its envisioned Nippur Gallery.
At the Mosque Door
Oil on Canvas
Osman Hamdi Bey
Object #184892This painting features several self-portraits of Hamdi Bey (based on photographs), plus unveiled, modern Turkish women.
Hymn to the Goddess Inanna
ca. 1730 BCE
Object #B7847Tablet translation of the hymn reads: Lady of all the divine powers, resplendent light, righteous woman clothed in radiance, beloved of An and Urac! Mistress of heaven, with the great diadem, who loves the good headdress befitting the office of priestess, who has seized all seven of its divine powers!
Medical Text
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Temple Court
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John Henry Haynes
This Nippur temple excavation photograph, by John Henry Haynes in 1893, became the frontispiece of Hilprecht's 1903 book, Explorations in Bible Lands, and subsequently the inspiration for Hamdi Bey's 1904 painting, "The Excavations at the Temple Court at Nippur." (Penn Museum negative # 305)
Archival Print
John Henry Haynes
John Henry Haynes photographed the ziggurat's foundations from a high vantage point and posed an isolated worker in the middle distance at an angle that dramatically emphasized the spatial recession. (Penn Museum negative # 5680)
Osman Hamdi Bey with J.P. Peters
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Original Nippur excavation director J.P. Peters, University of Pennsylvania, visited Hamdi Bey on both journeys to Nippur, first from 1888-89 and then again from 1889-90. Here they are photographed in the garden of Hamdi Bey's family home on the Bosporus strait. (Penn Museum negative # 19194)
Nippur Team
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C. Fisher
The excavation team at Nippur included John Henry and Cassandria Haynes (center), and Hilprecht (standing right) wielding a golf club. This photo was taken at the end of the fourth season. Photo: C. Fisher. (Penn Museum negative # 184826)
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ca. 1900
John Henry Haynes in a studio portrait at the end of his career as an archaeologist. (Penn Museum negative # 149706)
Hermann Vollrath Hilprecht
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ca. 1895Hermann Vollrath Hilprecht poses as an Oriental gentleman in his study in Constantinople (present-day Istanbul, Turkey). With the support of the University of Pennsylvania, he oversaw the excavations at Nippur from his base in Constantinople and catalogued the cuneiform tablets in the Imperial Museum. (Penn Museum negative # 102207)
Baghdad Along the Tigris
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John Henry Haynes
ca. 1880s
This photo shows the banks of the Tigris River in Baghdad (present-day Iraq). The round, pitch-covered boats, known as kufas, float in the foreground, with a pontoon bridge visible in the distance. (Penn Museum neg. #184824)
Cappadocia Landscape
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John Henry Haynes
ca. 1880s
The volcanic region of central Turkey fascinated Haynes, who took more than one hundred photos of it during his travels. Most depict the odd, eroded landscape into which dwellings and chapels were created in the 9th -14th centuries CE. (Penn Museum negative # 174585)
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Track and Field gears up for upcoming indoor season
Thursday, January 16, 2003JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. (Jan. 16, 2003) - East Tennessee State University men's and women's track and field teams are gearing up for the upcoming indoor season. With the addition of assistant coach Michelle Byrne, head coach Dave Walker looks to improve on last seasons fifth place Southern Conference Indoor Championship finish. The 2003 squad will rely on the strength of its distance runners, but return all but one member of the women's 4x400 meter indoor team who finished second at last year's SoCon Indoor meet. The season begins this weekend as the Buccaneers travel to Blacksburg, Va. For the Virginia Tech Kroger Invitational. The Buccaneers will then return home for the Niswonger Foundation Track and Field Invitational on Jan. 31-Feb.1 that will be held in Memorial Center. Get all the results and highlights from this season on www.etsubucs.com.
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Rocket Science
Comedy, Romance
Hal Hefner is an average sophomore at Plainsboro High School in New Jersey. He stutters and suffers the daily indignities of a typical teenager. With only a little encouragement, Hal falls in love with the star of the debate team, Ginny Ryerson, and finds himself suddenly immersed in her ultra competitive world of high-school debating, with its players, its politics and its own set of rules.
Cast: Aaron Yoo, Anna Kendrick, Nicholas D'Agosto, Vincent Piazza, Reece Thompson
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Day 1: Arrive in the Holy Land. Welcome at Ben Gurion Airport. After clearing passport control a M20661 representative will be waiting to welcome you, assist with luggage, and escort you to your waiting chauffeur. Arrive in Tel Aviv. Stretched along the beautiful beach strip of the Mediterranean, Tel Aviv is Israel's largest city and biggest commercial center. It is a busy metropolis, which inspires its visitors with a unique energetic atmosphere of excitement and fun.
Dizengoff St., Shenken St. & Rothschilde Ave. Filled with unique vendors and funky coffee shops along with simple kiosks and local Falafel and Shawarma stalls - it is enough to bring out a little "Bohemian" in anyone who walks down these streets.
Tel Aviv – Jaffa Promenade: The Jaffa Promenade goes from Jaffa all the way to the Old Port in Tel Aviv. The promenade gives tourists an amazing view of the skyline of Tel Aviv as well as a new perspective of the beauty of the city, set to the backdrop of the Mediterranean Sea.
The Tel Aviv Port: This port holds a world of leisure and entertainment along the beautiful shoreline, including live performances, art exhibitions, shopping, weekend markets, and an amazing culinary experience brought to you by some of the best restaurants and chefs in Tel Aviv. Overnight: Tel Aviv Hotel Options.
Day 2: Tel Aviv – A Nation is Born. Independence Hall: This multi-disciplinary museum is a must-see attraction for everyone who loves Israel and wants to learn more about the country. Be a part of the momentous day in Israel's history and experience the emotional moment when Ben Gurion established of the State of Israel with the signing of the Declaration of Independence at this very site.
Mini Israel Park: Ever want to feel like a giant? Well, now you can! This park is a 35,000 square meter extravaganza where you can see all the most important historical, cultural, architectural, and religious sites in Israel at eye level. It also includes a large aquarium with fish bigger than the size of your hand!
Ayalon Institute Museum: Enjoy a slice of early Israeli history when you visit this fascinating museum which was built by the Hagana during the final years of the British Mandate. In order to hide the bullet production from the British, the factory was disguised as a kibbutz. Explore mysterious rooms and travel down secret staircases as you learn about how the factory was hidden.
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National Maritime Museum: Head towards Haifa and take in the breathtaking view from the famous Mount Carmel along the way. Next, you'll relive Israeli and international maritime history at this incredible museum. Its unique collection includes thousands of artifacts which enable visitors to gain a true understanding of maritime history, including mythology, ship architecture, naval battles, ancient to modern seafaring, and ethnology of seafaring societies.
Acco Fortified Walls: Next we'll head to one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world- Acco, dating back to the time of the Pharaoh Thutmose III (1504-1450 BCE). A walk along the land wall and along the sea wall is a unique experience, which illustrates the military strength of the protected city. You'll also have an opportunity to explore the local market!
Rosh Hanikra Grotto's and Cable Car: Next stop is Rosh Hanikra to see the beautiful grottoes made from waves hitting the soft chalk rock. Ride from the mountain top down to sea level via cable car to explore the Grotto's formed over thousands of years – truly a wonder of creation. Dinner & Overnight: Kibbutz Lavi Hotel, Northern Israel.
Day 6: The Northern Galilee and Tzfat – The City of Kaballah. Tzfat – Safed - the Holy City of Air: Begin your day in Tzfat, the City of Air; one of the four holy cities in Israel. It has been a spiritual center since the 1600's when it was the center of Kabbala (Jewish mysticism). One of Israel's holiest cities awaits soul-seekers, nature enthusiasts, and historians to its cobblestone, art-lined streets, majestic mountains, and Kabbala-infused atmosphere.
Jeeping in the Golan Heights: Take an exhilarating ride through the Golan Heights via jeep! With the sun on your face and the wind in your hair, you'll venture up, down, and all around the luscious green hills of the North. Keep an eye out for bright and blooming fields of flowers and wild animals grazing!
Tel Facher Abandoned Syrian Base: Learn about one of the fiercest battles of Israel's history, the Six Day War, as you explore this Syrian base. Discover the valor of the Israeli soldiers who bravely conquered this territory in 1967. Survey the remnants of the base and wander through the trenches in the 50 year old footsteps of the heroic Golani soldiers who captured this mountaintop.
The Banias Falls: This archaeological site was formerly known as the city of Caesarea Philippi, located at the foot of Mount Hermon. Today, it serves as a nature reserve full of luscious green and beautiful flora and ancient ruins- a sight to see!
Tel Chai Court: Here you'll step into the exact room where the battle of Tel Chai to learn about the heroic battle of Josef Trumpeldor and his comrades in 1920. In the summer months, you can experience the interactive museum tour and view an incredible audio-visual presentation. Overnight: Kibbutz Lavi Hotel, Northern Israel.
Day 7: Tiberias and the Jordan Valley - Timeless Sages. Tiberias – the City of Water: Learn about Tiberias Old & New, the ancient city founded in the 1st century sits on Israel's main source of fresh water, the Sea of Galilee. We will also discuss the famous sages Rambam & Rabbi Akiva, who are interred in Tiberias.
Beit Shean National Park: Go back in time to the Roman and Byzantine eras at this monumental history site! Fight fierce gladiatorial battles at the excavated amphitheater, or relive biblical times as you stroll down a colonnaded street along the ruins of ancient buildings.
Beit Alfa Ancient Synagogue: Built during the Byzantine era, this excavated synagogue is most known for its magnificent mosaic filled with intricate artistic detail. This stunning piece of art was created in the 5thcentury and is miraculously still very much intact. Enjoy an attention-grabbing film that tells the story of how the mosaic was made.
Gan HaShlosha National Park: Chosen by Time Magazine as one of the world's 20 most beautiful parks, here you'll get a chance to relax and rejuvenate at one of the natural pools or Jacuzzis that are idyllically situated below a flowing waterfall. It is the perfect place to visit year round, as the water temperature never goes below 82 degrees Fahrenheit!
Ascent to Holy Jerusalem – the Eternal Capital: End the day with a beautiful drive through the Jordan Valley towards Jerusalem. You'll stop at Mount Scopus as you enter the city to say the blessing of "Shehechiyanu" to celebrate the joyous occasion of entering the holy capital. Overnight: Jerusalem Hotel Options.
Day 8: Jerusalem Old City – The Holy City of Fire. King David's Tomb: First stop is Mount Zion to view the tomb of Israel's famous king. Jews have come here for centuries to recite psalms written by King David, whose life teaches many lessons about human nature. King David conquered the Jubesite fortress to established Jerusalem at the eternal capital of Israel. His sone King Solomon would go on to build the Holy Temple in Jerusalem.
Old City Jewish Quarter: Steeped in both ancient and modern Jewish and cultural history, here in the Jewish Quarter you'll venture through the Cardo, a colonnaded style street that was the heart of a major Roman city built atop the rubble of Jerusalem. Today, you can experience the Cardo much as it was in ancient times with shop-lined streets as you combine modernity and history into one!
Four Sephardic Synagogues: Located deep in the heart of the Jewish Quarter, these synagogues are hardly visible to the naked eye due to the need for secrecy during Muslin rule beginning in the late 1500's. Restored to their magnificence in 1967, these synagogues shed light on ritual items used by the Sephardic Jewish community hundreds of years ago.
Western Wall Tunnels: Descend into these infamous tunnels that are enriched with thousands of years of history. These tunnels tell the story of the ancient Jews living during the period of the two temples. Stand on the original Roman Street from the times of Herod the Great and watch as the hidden layers of the Western Wall are revealed before your eyes.
Jerusalem Archaeological Gardens: Visitors to the Park follow events spanning some 5000 years, beginning with the Canaanite (Bronze) Age and continuing through the days of the Israelite monarchy in the First Temple period. The splendors of the Second Temple and the impressive architecture of King Herod, dating to the second half of the first century BCE are a key element in the park
Tower of David Museum: At this one-of-a-kind museum, visitors travel back in time and walk through 4,000 years of Jerusalem's beautiful history. Travel from the 1st Temple period to the 2nd Temple period in a matter of minutes and marvel at the many exhibits that feature the atmosphere of Jerusalem under its various rulers and periods of its history.
Night Spectacular at the Tower of David: In the stunning courtyard of the Citadel, become a part of this epic nighttime extravaganza of sight and sound projected onto its ancient walls. Through the combination of twenty projectors, scores of original music composed for the event, and the romantic environment of archaeological remains, the story of Jerusalem unfolds through giant, breathtaking virtual reality images. Overnight: Jerusalem Hotel Options.
Day 9: Jerusalem New City – The Modern Capital. The Kotel (The Western Wall): Here stands one of the most sacred sites in all of Jerusalem; the remnant of the ancient Jewish Temple. Jews come from all over the world to pray at the wall and feel its strong spiritual presence. While you're here, write down your biggest wish and place it in the wall, following the tradition of thousands of years of the Jewish people who come here and pour their hearts out in prayer.
Israel Museum & Dead Sea Scrolls: Ranked among the world's leading art and archaeology museums, here guests are able to truly experience Israel's rich artistic history. Explore Second Temple Judaism with the pre-destruction Temple model and visit the ancient Dead Sea Scrolls Exhibit at the Shrine of the Book.
Mount Herzl Memorial & National Cemetary: Memorialize the political figures who built the modern State of Israel and the IDF soldiers who died fighting for its creation by visiting Mount Herzl, Jerusalem's national cemetery.
Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum: This museum presents the story of the Holocaust from a unique Jewish perspective, emphasizing the experiences of the individual victims through original artifacts, personal possessions, and survivor testimonies. The museum will help re-instill the powerful message that Holocaust museums all over the world embody: Never forget.
1967 War Trenches & Memorial - Ammunition Hill: Here you will learn about the lives of those who fought and died at the site of one of the fiercest battles fought during the 1967 Six Day War. Explore the heroic lives of the Israeli soldiers who gave their own lives for the victory and reunification of the holy city of Jerusalem.
Nachlaot Neighborhood Night Tour – Additional Walking Tour Options: Discover hidden nooks and crannies in the historic alleyways of the quaint neighborhood of Nachlaot. Hear personal accounts of individuals who left the comforts of the Old City Walls in the 1860s, determined to set up a new, multi-cultured community. Experience and meet the contemporary crowd; a younger generation of artists with a unique energy all their own.
Thursday Night at the Machne Yehuda "Shuk" (Market): This bustling outdoor marketplace, with its 250 plus vendors, is considered the heartbeart of downtown Jerusalem. You want it, the shuk's got it; clothing, Judaica, fresh produce, meats, diamonds, restaurants, and random musicians playing throughout. It's a free world out there; try your hand at haggling and see what types of bargains you come home with! Overnight: Jerusalem Hotel Options.
Day 10: The Judean Desert – Masada Fortress and the Dead Sea. Masada Mountain Fortress & Cable Car: Ride via cable car to the top of Masada and explore what remains of King Herod's palace, imagining what it was like to live there as you view the well preserved baths, cisterns, barracks. It was here that Eleazer Ben Yair and his followers kept the Roman Legion at bay for three years.
Dead Sea Float, Mud, & Lunch - Private Spa Entrance Optional: Enjoy a relaxing, therapeutic day in this oasis of warm, buoyant water and mineral-rich mud in the middle of the Judean Wilderness! Read the paper while floating on the dense, salty water, and lather yourself with the nutrient-filled mud—an all-around luxurious day!
Friday Night Tour to the Western Wall - Optional Night Tour (Summer only): On the eve of Shabbat Jerusalem transforms in to a different place. Stores shut down, the streets and alleyways are silent and all are in anticipation for the weekly Shabbat. In this atmosphere come explore the Jewish Quarters alleyways and hear stories of generations who never forgot and yearned to return to Zion.
The Kotel (The Western Wall): Here stands the most sacred site in all of Judaism; the remnant of the ancient Jewish Temple. Jews come from all over the world to pray at the wall and feel its strong spiritual presence. Get ready for an evening you'll never forget as you head down to the wall of the Kotel, Get swept up in lively dancing and festivities in the heart of Holy Jerusalem. Overnight: Jerusalem Hotel Options.
Day 11: Shabbat in Jerusalem – Day at leisure. Shabbat Morning. Enjoy a morning at leisure and reflecting on the busy week of touring!
Old City Jewish Quarter – Additional Walking Tour Options: The Jewish Quarter, haRova haYehudi, remains one of the single-most visited spots in all of Israel. Nestled within one square kilometer of land lays millennia of ancient history, it dates back to the 8th century BCE. Twisting and turning through this historical maze, visit synagogues and museums along the way to learn the story of the Jewish people in this area.
Yemin Moshe Neighborhood Sunset Tour; Standing in front of the King David Hotel itself, you'll meet the different personalities from the founding of the State of Israel and their fight to win independence from the British. Overnight: Jerusalem Hotel Options.
Day 12: Farewell for now. After breakfast, transfer to Ben Gurion Airport for your temporary departure from Israel…We'll miss you!
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- Enjoy your stay at some of Israel's finest hotels
- 4 nights in a beautiful hotel in Tel Aviv, The Modern City
- 2 nights in a lovely Kibbutz Hotel in Northern Israel
- 5 nights in a wonderful hotel in the Holy City of Jerusalem.
Tour Sites Included: Explore Israel's myriad of historical and modern sites, Independence Hall, Mini Israel Park, Ayalon Institute Museum, Kibbutz Yad Mordechai, Diaspora Museum (Beit Ha-Tfutsot), Rabin Square, Old Jaffa Port, Neve Tsedek Neighborhood, Nachalat Binyamin Arts & Crafts Fair, Ancient City of Caesarea, National Maritime Museum, Acco Fortified Walls, Rosh Hanikra Grottoes, Tzfat – Safed the City of Kaballah, Tzfat Artists Quarter, Jeeping in the Golan Heights, Tel Facher Abandoned Syrian Base, The Banias Falls, Tel Chai Court, Graves of Holy Sages, Beit Shean National Park, Beit Alfa Synagogue, Gan HaShlosha National Park, King David's Tomb, The Old City Jewish Quarter, The Four Sephardic Synagogues, Western Wall Tunnels, The Davidson Center Archaeology Gardens, The Tower of David Museum, The Kotel (The Western Wall), Meah She'arim Neighborhood, The Israel Museum, Mount Herzl Museum, The Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum, Ammunition Hill 1967 War Memorial & Trenches, Qumran Dead Sea Scroll Caves, Masada Mountain Fortress & Cable Car.
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Mark Graf
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November 25, 2002, 06:14:59 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']I know where you are coming from Rick, about the skills and technique that often go into creating a successful image. However, I don't agree that photography in general is a craft. (Somehow I think this has been debated before :: )
It is because a photograph can be emotionally moving, just as a piece of music or a fine painting can, that I stand behind this. Not every photograph has an emotional message conveyed in it, but those that do can easily be considered works of art.[/font]
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November 26, 2002, 12:44:48 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']In using the analogy to music and painting you are inviting an argument against your statement. In music, painting/drawing and in photography you have the same elements: talent and vision, skill and craft, determination and hard work. Some people (in all of the three fields) have an incredible amount of skill and determination - talent but maybe not a lot of vision. This would be a group you could call master craftsmen, but maybe not artists - think about master illustrators, brilliant orchester musicians or in photography master printmakers. Some people have talent and vision. But without skill and hard work the results will be wanting. Even the most talented must develop the craft element.
I consider photograpy as a visual medium very much like painting and drawing that takes particular skills and techniques one can learn.
What a person will do with it depends on the vision and the talent. There will be photographs that are clearly a work of art and others that are an excellent piece of craftsmanship. The best will be both - just like in the other fields.
David Mantripp
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November 26, 2002, 04:06:47 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']So, Rcik, an artist is basically somebody who does what he does with no thought, no training, just pure instinct ?
Prodigies (not proteges) can be artists. This doesn't mean that artists can only be young. Beethoven was still producing masterpieces into his very late years, for example. (I could go on for pages here but I won't). Also prodigies are frequently recognised as such with hindsight...
Maybe the reason that renowned photographers appear to be older is because photography isn't actually all that easy. It has a very shallow initial learning curve, and it takes quite a while to realise that there is a bit more to creating lasting works. It may also be the nature of the medium that people perceive photography to be "easy", this do not recognise - or encourage - talent.
But anyway, just to name two, Cartier Bresson and Doisneau were producing landmark work in their mid-20s, even if they continued to produce significant work until they were much older.
Any many Renaissance artists that we now consider greats were viewed as, basically, master craftsmen in their time. It's all down to perception and cultural filters.[/font]
David Mantripp
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November 28, 2002, 06:35:47 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Rick,
That's an interesting observation about Adams, with far reaching implications. Photoshop is a tool far more powerful and flexible than any darkroom techniques Adams had at his disposal. So there's hope for us all in rescuing and redeeming many of those boring early photos. By mastering Photoshop we can turn mediocre shots into something ...er .. perhaps not quite a great work of art, but still quite impressive.[/font]
Rainer SLP
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November 29, 2002, 12:15:40 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']This thread is really interesting and I found out following:
The difference between a Good and a Bad Photographer is his
PR Manager
and if the good one did not have a good PR Manager, than Nostalgia has risen this Photographer to where he is.
Look at the mexican Photographer Manuel Alvarez Bravo.
I live in Mexico and it seems to be that he is or better said was the only good one. Why? Because we are unable to give young talented Photographers space for exhibit their work.
If you, as a young photographer in Mexico, want to exhibit somewhere they want your Artistic curriculum and at least you should already have had some 5 or something exhibitions. So if no Gallery gives this young talented Photographers the oportunity for their first exhibitions they will never reach a level of being known. That is the biggest Problem here in Mexico.
The other point is the risk for a gallery presenting somebody new.
If a Gallery presents somebody they want to be sure that they are going to sell if not it is not interesting, but the biggest problem is the cuestion of Taste and here comes the biggest inhibiting point for new young talented photographers.
They are exposing their work in front of one person, which is the Gallery owner and he or she decides upon his or her taste and he or she decides what is sellable and what not and therefore the judgement of this work is done under very limited conditions and not as it should be done under a broad public audience.[/font]
Thanks and regards Rainer
I am here for learning and having fun and maybe sometimes I take life too serious, but then I think I will never get alive out of it and it passes away ...
Rick M
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November 24, 2002, 05:07:44 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Photography is not 'painting with light'. It is knowing when to press the shutter and being able to craftfully manipulate an exposure afterwards in the darkroom.
Many speak of someone having a 'good eye' but there is more to the craft than this. Many people have a good eye but technically their images are nasty. Unlike painting, sculptue, and music photography is a craft where there are no child proteges. It is not something one can instinctually grasp or have a hang of without experience in the field with equipment. Reading a biography of Ansel Adams it notes his first photographs showed no sign of his later brilliance. It was years and many hours of work in the field before he came to fruition.
Whats my point in all this? Well I believe that photography is not a fine art. It is a craft. What is your take?[/font]
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November 26, 2002, 08:28:10 AM »
[font color=\'#000000\']What I was saying is there is no innate ability in people to create a good photograph simply by posessing some gift or talent. One also requires technical knowledge and expertise with the equipment and processing. Unlike a painter or musician who is gifted it does not take them years of practice and experience with equipment to perfect their art. With photography it does. Unlike music or painting etc there are no Ansel Adam's from birth or young 8 year old child proteges in photography. It takes many years of experience and working with equipment to become accomplished. Yes some learn faster than others.
Ansel Adams said a photograph is not taken, it is made. I say photographers are made, they are not born great like a Leonardo or Mozart. Thats why i say photography is not a fine art. Yes people can create works of art in photography but that is something different altogether. I do not consider a photographer an artist. I consider him/her a skilled craftsman who often can produce art given enough experience and the right vision.[/font]
Dan Sroka
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Posts: 594
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November 26, 2002, 01:46:29 PM »
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Unlike a painter or musician who is gifted it does not take them years of practice and experience with equipment to perfect their art. With photography it does.
I'd have to disagree. A child protegy may quickly grasp things on a certain level, but it is only through years of practice that they build on that initial gift. By the time he's 10, a violin wiz has probably spent the majority of his young life learning and practicing his craft. And who says there are no protegies in photography, simply because we can't name them... that is simply an issue of PR.
Just because there is a great deal of craft behind photography, does not mean that it cannot be an artform. Any creative field has its spectrum of practitioners, from craftspeople to artists. The book "Understanding Comics" by Scott McCloud has a great discussion of this (as it relates to comics). According to Scott, there are levels of craft and levels of art, and people rise to the level which interests them and meets their capabilities. Some people want to become the best illustrators, but care nothing for the story. Others need to tell stories but are not the best colorists. No level is "better" than the other -- the field as a whole needs them all. Photography is similar: it is wide open and has room for people to explore its potential for craft, for art, or both.[/font]
David Mantripp
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Posts: 712
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November 26, 2002, 03:57:39 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']So, Rcik, an artist is basically somebody who does what he does with no thought, no training, just pure instinct ?
Prodigies (not proteges) can be artists. This doesn't mean that artists can only be young. Beethoven was still producing masterpieces into his very late years, for example. (I could go on for pages here but I won't). Also prodigies are frequently recognised as such with hindsight...
Maybe the reason that renowned photographers appear to be older is because photography isn't actually all that easy. It has a very shallow initial learning curve, and it takes quite a while to realise that there is a bit more to creating lasting works. It may also be the nature of the medium that people perceive photography to be "easy", this do not recognise - or encourage - talent.
But anyway, just to name two, Cartier Bresson and Doisneau were producing landmark work in their mid-20s, even if they continued to produce significant work until they were much older.
Any many Renaissance artists that we now consider greats were viewed as, basically, master craftsmen in their time. It's all down to perception and cultural filters.[/font]
David Mantripp
Posts: 10
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November 28, 2002, 08:41:07 AM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Being that this is a landscape forum I would agree with the first posters theory; landscapes as they are presented here do require a certain amount of craft. But the field of landscape photography does not represent the entire body of photography and a proficient knowledge of craft does not make one an artist.
Photographic history is rife with photographers with next to no knowledge of craft but are considered artists. No one would argue that HCB, Eggleston,Frank, Winograad are great craftsmen.
I think that landscape photogs can fall into the trap of worshiping craftsmanship and losing site of the picture.[/font]
Dan Sroka
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Posts: 594
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November 29, 2002, 08:10:11 PM »
[font color=\'#000000\']I wouldn't say PR is the difference between good and bad photographers, but it is often the difference between the known and an unknown, regardless of talent.[/font]
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Posts: 315
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November 25, 2002, 12:48:45 AM »
[font color=\'#000000\']Rick, I'll agree that some, perhaps even many, aspects of photography are a craft, that is, they are more technical than subjective or artful. But the creation of a GREAT landscape picture depends FIRST on the very artful eye and heart of the fotografer.
Excellent fotografic technicians who are not excellent artists will create technically fine fotografs that are boring. Excellent fotografic artists who are not excellent technicians will create pics that are wonderful works of art that probably are somewhat lacking technically but are still emotionally satisfying images.
Personally, I'd much rather view one of the latter than one of the former. There are many examples of the the former on DPReview's Canon SLR forum. (Please, everyone, understand that I'm not picking on the Canonites [being one myself]; I simply don't read any other brand-name forums there.) The panoramas are the worst examples of technically excellent images that are BORING...midday lite that's hard and glaring, etc.
A great landscape is created first by an artist and then by a technician.[/font]
Obsessed landscape fotografer
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November 26, 2002, 08:42:36 AM »
[font color=\'#000000\']ps.
...Ansel Adams in interviews and in biographical accounts would often say if he took one goood picture a month he was happy. He was a master of the darkroom and relied heavily on expermineting with dodging and burning and various techniques. It took him many years to perfect this skill and many of his original exposures look nothing like the finished version. For instance the Moonrise Hernandez original looks nothing like the finished product. Ansel Adams is famous for doing what nobody else before him had done in the darkroom. That is where his brilliance lies and shaped his vision. But this is not something someone is born with or a latent talent one posesses. It is something one discovers through trial and error to reach a creative vision. This is not art. This is a craft.[/font]
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[font color=\'#000000\']dansroka there are no child wiz kids or prodigies in photography nor have I ever heard of anyone under the age of 30 who really made a statement in photography. If you know of one I sure would like to know. Most photographers considered revolutionary at the top of the pack are middle aged with lots of years of experience in the field or old farts. There are no young proteges and there never was. Again the reasons are the ones I outlined above. There is more than something you are born with going on. This is not an art that relies on some inborn talent. It is a craft and trade that is slwoly perfected as a good chef perfects his dishes.
I would no more consider a photographer an artist than I would a famous chef an artist. They are craftsman who through many years of hands on experience have a developed a skill.[/font]
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[font color=\'#000000\']Simply because Adams was a good technician does not mean he was not an artist as well. Most art requires a great deal of technical skill. Watching my sculpting teacher work, it is amazing how much she has had to learn: phyics, geology, a little engineering -- all to achieve her art. The amount of technique, and difficulty of learning it, will vary from art to art, of course.
Regarding the connection between prodigies and art. Hmm, it's interesting question! I guess it comes down to how hard it is for a child to grasp the basic skills of the artform, and how that relates to what the general population can do. For example, few people can play instruments. So a child prodigy who learns how to play quickly surpasses what most people will ever be able to do. Maybe the foundation skills for playing music are well suited for a child to grasp, so he can quickly understand 80% of the skills he will ever need. This is amazing to us, and makes a darn good news story.
But in photography, like DRM says, most people can take decent photos, so any child prodigies are just not as amazing to us. Maybe the skills behind photography are a little tougher for kids to grasp, so a prodigy can only grasp 40% of the skills, and then need the rest of his life to get the remaining 60%. So it takes longer for them to get THAT much better than the general population. I'm not sure -- but this would make a fascinating study![/font]
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[font color=\'#000000\']So, so far:
Adams isn't an artist
Adams early photos are cr*p
Adams is just a darkroom geek
Adams doesn't understand composition
Amazing he managed to take the lens cap off, really. Still if such a bumbling incompetent could end up in every bookstore and major arts venue in the world, there's hope for all of us.[/font]
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[font color=\'#000000\']drm, I don't think anyone is questioning Adam's ingenuity and briliance at mastering new techniques and being able to do what nobody else before him could. To be honest though his compositions themselves are really nothing revolutionary or spectacular. Some of them are quite boring IMHO. Most academics would probably dissagree and this is pretty subjective but if Adams were around today his prints would probably just be average among the top photographers of today. He was a master of the darkroom. I have seen many photographers today who produce better compositions of the same subjects that Adam's photographed.[/font]
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[font color=\'#000000\']OTOH, you could say that PR and a bit of luck is necessary to get your name up there, but real talent is required to keep it there.
There's an interesting article by Dale Cotton at
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The photographer, however, can do this. At each stage of post-processing, there's a level of skill which will affect the final result. Not only that, there's a level of sophistication of equipment and software which can affect the final result (print).
The photographer can go back at any stage to his/her original negatives or slides and probably produce a much improved result. I know I can.[/font]
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[font color=\'#000000\']I'd have to say I agree with Jeff.
There is craft in every artform, and there is the possibility of art in every craft. Craft is the carefully learning and applying of skills, where as the art is the occassional leapfrogging of learned skills to something which trascends them. Neither is a "better" way to be.
Rick, I think your point is a good one though. Some people tend to place the Adamses of the world on a pedestal. (I get so tired of hearing of a "golden age" that will never come again.) Yet, when they started, they were inexperienced schlubs like the rest of us. The San Francisco MOMA had a great collection of early Adams' prints, and frankly, many of them are pretty mediocre, technically and artistically. He worked hard, and got better both as a craftsman and as an artist. So there's hope for all of us![/font]
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I say photographers are made, they are not born great like a Leonardo or Mozart.
I think that great artists are born with a potential. I'm sure even Leonardo had to learn which way round to hold a paintbrush. And anyway, if ever a painter was a technician, he was...
Thats why i say photography is not a fine art. Yes people can create works of art in photography but that is something different altogether. I do not consider a photographer an artist.
Sorry ? My logic detectors have just gone on the fritz. There seem to be several contradictions fighting to get out of there
I don't consider any old _painter_, or writer, or whatever, an artist. I think the difference between art & craft works at a level a bit more subtle than you're addressing. I would say that it is down to intentions and agendas. It is a bit harder to seperate out art, craft and rank amateur in landscape photography, where the familiarity and direct appeal of the subject can obscure the intent, but would you say that Man Ray was a craftsman...or an artist ? Or just a point'n'shoot photographer like the rest of us ?
Personally I think Adams was an artist who chose photography as the medium to express his emotions. The fact that he was an exceptionally dedicated technician is secondary.[/font]
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