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The 2015 Tundra CrewMax has best-in-class legroom according to Toyota and offers the only reclining and sliding rear seat among pickups. The Tundra also offers one of the best-designed interiors, with plenty of storage space and easy access to the backseat area. The available 5.7L engine makes 381 horsepower and 401 foot-pounds of torque, with hauling and towing ability near the top of the segment.
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For 2015, Toyota has dropped the V6 engine from the Tundra lineup, leaving only the 4.6L and 5.7L V8s. Meanwhile, a TRD Pro off-road trim joins the lineup.
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The Toyota Tundra is a full-size pickup, with good work capability and durability, that comes in three cabs, three bed sizes, and five trim levels. With 2WD and 4WD, there are no less than 42 models of Tundra. The Tundra is pretty much an all-American vehicle. It was designed in California and Michigan, its engines are assembled in Alabama, its transmissions built in North Carolina, and it rolls off a Texas plant.
For 2015, Tundra offers a choice of two V8s with the same 6-speed automatic. (The V6 engine was dropped.) Much of the sheetmetal and interior was new in 2014, so there are no changes for 2015, except the introduction of the 2015 Tundra TRD Pro model, with its own suspension and touches to the body and interior. It's a 4×4 for serious off-roaders.
Toyota is re-marketing TRD (Toyota Racing Development) around the new Pro Series, starting with Tundra, Tacoma, and 4Runner. The TRD Pro is more than bolt-on parts; it has its own off-road suspension geometry with fat Bilstein dampers, tuned stainless twin exhaust, unique interior color, 32-inch-tall Michelin offroad tires, black 18-inch alloy wheels, TRD trim and badging, and more. Toyota has been off-road racing for three decades and has more than 300 victories; so with the TRD Pro Series re-branding the brand, it's like a double-down.
In fact, the Tundra TRD Pro won its class in the Baja 1000 in November 2014, finishing first in the full size stock truck class, with pro drivers and a team of six Tundra engineers riding shotgun as navigator or mechanic. After the race they turned around and drove it on the road 1000 miles back to Ensenada where they started.
The basic Tundra two-door Regular Cab comes in entry-level trim levels with only the 8-foot bed. The Double Cab has four doors and seats five or six, depending on the front seat, and comes with 6.5- or 8-foot beds. The big CrewMax seats the same with more room, and comes with a 5.5-foot bed and vertically sliding rear window. The TRD Pro is available in Double Cab or CrewMax 4×4 cab types, but not Regular Cab for those most serious off-roaders, who say they don't need no stinkin' back seats.
Tundra is among the largest of half-ton trucks. It's stable and comfortable, including the rear seats, and tows beautifully. The smaller 4.6-liter dohc V8 with an aluminum block is rated at 310 horsepower, 327 pound-feet of torque at 3400 rpm, and EPA ratings of 15/20 mpg City/Highway, one mpg less with 4WD. It also the same 6-speed automatic transmission as the bigger engine. The 4.6-liter is a good choice for drivers who want the oomph of a V8 but don't do a lot of towing.
Tundra's double overhead-cam 5.7-liter V8, also with an aluminum block, is rated at 381 horsepower and 401 pound-feet of torque, mated to that 6-speed automatic transmission. It's a good truck engine, with EPA ratings of 14/18 mpg City/Highway, one mpg less with 4WD. Some competitors offer more horsepower or torque, while others offer better fuel mileage by 1 or 2 mpg. We like the Tundra's balance of power, economy, cargo and towing.
We towed a 20-foot enclosed car trailer over long distances, with ease. Towing capacities top 10,000 pounds on some models equipped with the available tow package, and maximum payload ratings exceed 2,000 pounds.
The 5.7-liter Toyota Tundra comes with a 4.30:1 final drive ratio with a 10.5 ring gear, the largest ring gear in the segment. Because of the engine torque, the transmission 3.33 1st gear ratio, and the 4.30 rear end ratio, this Tundra produces a blockbusting 5,742 foot-pounds of torque (401 x 3.33 x 4.30) at the drive wheels, and that's without any gear reduction from the transfer case on 4X4 models.
Standard equipment in all Tundras includes the touchscreen, CD player, iPod integration and Bluetooth. Infotainment increases with the model, including SiriusXM satellite radio, HD radio, subscription-free weather and traffic (where HD radio is supported in urban areas, through your smartphone cellular data outside those regions), GraceNote art, expanded voiced recognition including compound commands, navigation, predictive traffic, radio buffer that lets you pause up to 20 minutes of AM/FM/HD radio for later playback, Entune App Suite (Bing, Pandora, Open Table, Facebook Places, Yelp and more) and a 440-watt JBL sound system.
The 2015 Toyota Tundra comes in three body styles: Regular Cab with 8-foot long bed, 4-door Double Cab with 6 1/2-foot standard bed or 8-foot long bed, and 4-door Crew Max with a 5 1/2-foot short bed. All ride on a 146-inch wheelbase except the Double Cab long bed at 165 inches. Every Tundra is available with part-time four-wheel drive, and some 5.7 V8 models, including the TRD Pro, are flex-fuel. Double Cab is available is SR, SR5 and Limited trim levels, ranging in price from $28,510 for the Double Cab SR 4×2 with the 4.6-liter engine, to $35,040 for the SR5 4×4 with the 5.7-liter.
CrewMax cabs are offered in SR5, Limited, Platinum and 1794 Edition models all with 5.5-foot beds. The least expensive is a 4×2 SR5 with the 4.6-liter ($32,480) to the 4×4 SR5 with the 5.7-liter ($37,030) to the 4×2 Limited ($39,500) or fully loaded 4×4 1794 edition ($47,975).
Missing from the 2015 lineup is the base Tundra Regular Cab 4×2 with the V6, a work truck. In replacing the engine, Toyota leaped over the 310-horsepower V8, all the way to the 381-horsepower 5.7-liter. So the base work truck ($29,120) is a hot rod.
Regular Cab is offered only in SR trim. SR trim comes with a fabric-upholstered 40/20/40-split bench seat, air conditioning, carpet, Entune audio system (6.1-inch touchscreen AM/FM/CD/iPod/USB/Bluetooth) tilt steering wheel, power windows and locks, dual power points, cruise control, fold-up rear seats on four doors, black front bumper and grille trim, tow hooks on 4WD, heated power mirrors, easy lower/lift tailgate and 18-inch steel wheels. Options on SR trim include cargo rail retention system, tow hitch on 4.6 Double Cab, and a Work Truck package with vinyl seat and floor that removes cruise control, power accessories and map lights.
Tundra SR5 trim adds to SR with fog lamps, more chrome outside, Entune Audio Plus (7-inch hi-resolution touchscreen, SiriusXM radio with 90-day trial, HD radio with iTunes tagging and weather/traffic in metro areas, elsewhere with a smartphone), dark-tint manual sliding rear window, and additional instruments with 3.5-inch display. Optional equipment includes alloy wheels, SR5 Upgrade pack (bucket front seats, power driver seat, console and shift, tilt and telescope steering wheel, rear underseat storage tray) and the TRD Off-Road Package (Bilstein shocks, unique alloy wheels and Michelin tires, skid plates, tow hooks on 2WD and rear side window privacy glass).
Tundra Limited upgrades to dual-zone climate control, leather upholstery, heated 10/4-way power front seats, 20-inch alloy wheels, leather tilt/telescope steering wheel with audio and Bluetooth controls, power sliding rear window (horizontal on Double Cab, vertical on CrewMax), auto-dimming mirror, deck rail tie-down cleat system, Entune App Suite, navigation, upgraded audio system and alarm system. Optional are TRD package, moonroof and blind-spot monitor/rear cross traffic alert on CrewMax and a Limited Premium package (auto up/down power windows, park sensors front and rear, remote keyless entry).
Tundra Platinum models get perforated leather diamond-quilt pattern upholstery, heated/cooled front seats, driver memory system, JBL audio system, color-matched bumpers and grille trim, auto-dimming power-folding outside mirrors, moonroof, park sensors and glass breakage sensor. Blind-spot monitoring is available.
Tundra 1794 Edition has Platinum-grade features and options, but uses unique upholstery with ultra suede and woodgrain trim, silver front bumper and grille, 1794 badging, and offers chrome-clad wheels as an additional option.
The TRD Pro comes with large front and rear Bilstein dampers, aluminum skid plate, TRD cat-back dual exhaust system, halogen headlamps, unique colored interior with red stitching, 18-inch black alloy rims with Michelin offroad tires, black grille, and TRD trim, badging, floor mats and shift knob.
Safety features that come standard on every model include front- and side-impact airbags for driver and front passenger (the latter with an off switch in Regular Cab models), side-curtain airbags with rollover sensor, driver and passenger knee airbags, four-wheel disc brakes with ABS, brake assist and electronic brake-force distribution, electronic stability control with traction control, and trailer sway control. The standard rearview camera can enhance safety by helping the driver spot children behind the truck when backing up. Parking sensors front and rear, and blind-spot monitoring are available on some models.
The Tundra is full size and looks it. It's sharp and angular like a heavyweight boxer's jaw, with squared-off wheel openings. It's visually imposing. The SR/SR5, Limited, Platinum and 1794 have different grille arrangements, all large. The Tundra's nose looks like if it hit a wall, the wall might lose, although the plastic chrome would smash to bits.
The TRD Pro solves that. It's way better looking, with a strong black grille and air intake below the body-colored bumper, and a cool thin horizontal air intake over the bumper.
The bumpers at both ends are sectional, so if you bump into something and bend a corner, you don't have to replace the whole bumper. Fog lights are recessed for protection and headlights are single-bulb units; every example we drove from SR5 to TRD Pro had a manual in-cab adjustment for vertical aim, handy for keeping light on the road when it rises with a load or trailer.
The horizontal lines at the rear are framed by chiseled vertical lights, with the name Tundra embossed in the lower right tailgate, which is damped to avoid a big thunk when it's dropped. A rearview camera is standard, located near the tailgate latch. Trailer plugs are in the bumper, and license plate lights illuminate the area.
In the bed, a deck rail system along all sides except the tailgate offers tie-down cleats to secure loads.
Four-door Tundras have running boards that take a couple of inches off the step-up height. Shorter drivers or those with creaky knees will appreciate them, while others might think they're just in the way, there to get your pants dirty or hit rocks off the road.
The TRD Pro stands out from the rest of the Tundra line. It's got a beefy all-black grille and fascia below the bumper, which rides 2 inches higher on account of the springs, an aluminum front skid plate, black badging on the door and tailgate, two-inch lift in the front springs, and 18-inch 5-spoke black alloy wheels with the TRD logo. It's also one inch taller at the roof. Inside there are TRD floor mats and a shift knob, red stitching on uniquely colored seats, and touch-ups to the instrument panel. It's available in Attitude Black, Super White, and a new copperish color called Inferno.
Any Tundra cab is big. A Regular Cab will hold a 5-gallon paint bucket flat on the floor in back. Only an F-150 SuperCrew has more rear seat room than a CrewMax, and the Tundra Double Cab matches the new Silverado Double Cab for space.
Base models can have rubber flooring instead of standard carpet. The lower door panels, where your boots scuff, are made to be easy to clean.
Visibility from the driver's seat is very good. You can see the top corners of the front fenders, and the pillars aren't too big. Rear-seat headrests, tall enough to protect a 6-foot, 3-inch passenger, drop forward allowing a good view through the rear window. A rearview camera is standard on all models. Park sensors for both ends are available on upper trims.
The large standard mirrors can be adjusted for a panoramic view. The optional tow mirrors have a small convex mirror at the bottom that's manually adjustable, so there are no blind spots. The power mirrors can be manually extended outward to help the driver see around trailers, and they can be folded inward when parked to reduce the chance of damage in tight quarters.
Front seats are comfortably cushioned but not too soft, with modest side bolsters to hold you in place without making entry/exit a chore. Deep seat bottoms provide ample thigh support, adjustable on some. We found the seats very comfortable while towing thousands of miles. The fabric upholstery definitely feels durable, as it should; and the leather is nice but if it's the Platinum model's diamond-quilted cowhide, be careful with the rivets on your jeans.
The TRD Pro seats are standard, but with unique upholstery and stitching. The backrest on Tundra Double Cab rear seats is generously reclined and cozy. The cushions fold up in a 60/40 split for tossing large cargo in back. CrewMax is the adult rear seat arrangement, with recline and as much room and comfort as the front. Like the Double Cab, the seats fold to lower the loading height and vastly increase storage space.
The Tundra has many interior storage spots and conveniences, with cupholders bloating up to 22 ounces. The degree of storage varies by cab and trim level.. The passenger seatback in the Regular Cab folds forward to make a flat area for a laptop, and the center console folds forward to open a concealed storage compartment. The padded armrest is wide for the driver.
The gated floor shift can get you in any gear without pushing buttons with your thumb on the lever. The column shifter with manual +/- toggle is big, and might block view of the instrument panel for shorter drivers unless they like the steering wheel low. The main controls are in the center of the dashboard, not to the right like they used to be. The top right rotary knob is still a mild reach, but no longer feels like you're searching the glovebox for something.
The ergonomics in the cabin are good. The omni-directional air vents get what you need where you need it, and the climate controls are easy to use. Only some ancillary dash switches adjacent the steering column may be difficult to see.
Gauges are white-on-black, the graphics easy to read, with a warning light for transmission fluid temperature (there used to be a gauge). the base models lack a rev counter, oil pressure and voltage gauges. The 3.5-inch information display is easy to read and use, because it doesn't offer too much info.
All Tundras have iPod/USB integration, Bluetooth and a touchscreen display, with radio sources and voice recognition expanding by model. You can get navigation on an SR5 and the JBL sound system on a Limited, while Platinum and 1794 come with everything. However, even on a Platinum CrewMax with three power points there is only one USB port.
The 5.7-liter V8 produces 381 horsepower and 401 pound-feet of torque. The Ram Hemi tops that with 395 hp and 407 lb-ft, while the Chevy Silverado 6.0 liter comes in at 360 and 380, and the Nissan Titan works more like a truck engine with 317 hp and 385 lb-ft, at the lowest revs of any half-ton V8. Ford has two big engines, a 6.2-liter V8 with 411 hp, 434 lb-ft, and a twin-turbo 3.5-liter V6 EcoBoost that brings 365 hp and 420 lb-ft of torque at just 2500 rpm.
The TRD Pro uses the 5.7-liter, with a deep-throated TRD dual cat-back exhaust system. The truck was developed by Toyota engineers in the high desert of California, with the focus on suspension. They like the result, using thick (2.5) Bilstein high-performance offroad monotube shocks with remote reservoirs front and rear, with large 60mm pistons (46mm standard), larger shafts (18mm vs 12mm), and Eibach front coil springs with a 2.0 lift and decreased spring rate to improve ride quality over harsh terrain. Wheel travel is increased 2.0 in front and 1.25 rear. The standard Tundra bump stops, front sway bar, and end links are retained.
There's 2 inches more ground clearance at the front and under the skid plate, but clearance under the rear differential is the same as any Tundra. The approach angle increases by 5 degrees, but the turning circle decreases to 23.6 feet.
A number of tires were tested before the Michelin offroad hoops were chosen. They're P275/65/R18 Michelin LTX AT2 tires that are 32 inches tall, and look serious on the black alloy wheels. Their tread and sidewall patterns are designed for the Tundra TRD Off-Road Package, with strong center ribs to limit road noise, and aggressive siping and side lugs help maximize offroad traction in mud and sand.
We got some seat time in a Tundra TRD Pro Double Cab, although not hard running in the high desert like the lucky engineers. It's not uncomfortable or difficult to drive slowly on pavement, and it will climb slopes, navigate ravines and stomp big rocks. I was surprised by how much I enjoyed driving the TRD Pro, said one small female we know, about her seat time on downtown Houston streets.
On the road, power delivery from any Tundra engine is linear, and strong at low engine speed. This is especially so in the 5.7-liter, where 90 percent of its 401 pounds of torque is there from 2400 rpm to 5500 rpm. It's a solid powerplant that's very responsive when quick acceleration is needed, while being smooth and powerful when cruising.
The 4.6-liter V8 delivers 310 horsepower and 327 pound-feet of torque, using the 6-speed automatic transmission. It's smooth enough to meet the Lexus standard, where the same engine is used in Lexus luxury SUVs. Fuel economy is an EPA-estimated 16 mpg Combined city and highway.
For a powertrain comparison, Chrysler offers a 5.7-liter V8 in the Ram, rated at 395 horsepower; using an 8-speed automatic, it gets about the same mileage as the Tundra. Ford's 5.0-liter delivers 360 hp with similar mileage. GM's 6.0-liter makes 360 hp with 380 lb-ft and uses a 6-speed automatic.
Maximum towing capacity of 10,400 pounds applies to an unloaded Tundra Regular Cab 2WD 5.7 V8; the top-line CrewMax 4WD rates 9,000 pounds, while maximum on the F-150 is 11,300 pounds. The top Ram is similar and the Titan a bit lower.
For towing trailers in the 4,000- to 7,000-pound range the Tundra does a good job. Overkill with tow rigs is nice on long nights, in inclement weather, during strong winds or dealing with hilly country. For routine towing of trailers anywhere near 10,000 pounds you'd be better served by a heavy-duty pickup from Ford, GM, or Ram, maybe with their diesel engines.
Unlike some other half-ton pickups, the Tundra does not offer an integrated trailer brake controller. We'd prefer that it did, but a host of aftermarket controllers do the job well.
The 6-speed automatic transmission works well. Gear changes are smooth, though more apparent when trailering. Automatic downshifts during braking on downhill grades are well managed, properly timed and helpful. The Tundra's transmissions are unobtrusive, which is important. The Tow/Haul mode helps the transmission live longer by shifting less.
Ride and handling in the Tundra are both up to snuff. Steering response is sure and certain, though perhaps not as advanced as an F-150 with any engine except the 6.2-liter. Somehow, Toyota's suspension engineers have delivered a setup that leaves no doubt the driver is operating a truck, but isn't reminded of it at every bump and dip. Over severely uneven pavement, the solid rear axle makes its presence known with a slightly skippy feeling, but the Tundra's unladen rear end feels less skittish than some other max-rated pickups, and there is rarely any disruption that even instantaneously moves it far off the driver's intended path. As with most pickups, the ride gets bouncy on bumpy freeways with an empty bed; any pickup may have the wrong wheelbase to avoid tiring bobbing on expansion joints so do your test-drive on a variety of road surfaces.
Braking is solid, with firm pedal feel. The Tundra's standard four-wheel discs are among the biggest in the segment, as is the rear differential. It's a good thing, because the TRD Pro Double Cab weighs just 100 pounds shy of three tons, and the 4×4 Double Cab just 40 pounds less than that. The ABS includes electronic balancing of brake force and electronic stability control is standard on every Tundra.
The TRD Off-Road Package delivers excellent handling on pavement, and it's especially noticeable when Tundras so equipped are driven quickly on winding, two-lane roads. New Michelin branded tires are a good compromise between off-highway traction and on-highway grip and quiet. The TRD package offers much of the off-road capability of the full-blown TRD Pro.
Tundra 4WD does not offer an all-wheel drive setting for on-pavement use in inclement weather, but that makes no difference to braking in the snow. For more severe four-wheel-drive use, the Tundra offers decent articulation and good low-range gearing. When enabled, the traction control can be intrusive. Unlike many pickups, the Tundra 4WD has a switch that backs off the thresholds for deploying the side-curtain airbags. This can be helpful on side-angle trails and ditches that might otherwise trigger an unwanted side curtain deployment.
With 42 models and mixes of cabs, beds, and powertrains, there's a Tundra for almost every full-size pickup buyer except diesel. It's comfortable, easy to drive, and delivers power, payload and tow ratings to handle all but the heaviest loads or largest trailers. The new TRD Pro model is built for the serious off-roader, and looks distinctively rugged.
NewCarTestDrive.com correspondent Sam Moses reported on the TRD Pro from the Northwest, with G.R. Whale from California and Pennsylvania, Mitch McCullough in California, J.P. Vettraino in Detroit, and Tom Lankard in Louisville, Kentucky.
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Based on the early 19th century novel by Polish author Jan Potocki, THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT is a brilliant, sexy and extraordinarily imaginative film. Starring the celebrated Zbigniew Cybulski ( Ashes and Diamonds), the film is ostensibly set at the end of the Napoleonic War. During the heat of battle, Belgian officer Alphonse van Worden (Cybulski) stumbles across an ancient manuscript. As he reads, a labyrinth of stories unfolds and takes the audience on a teasingly twisted trail through time and space. Erotic and supernatural, THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT was beloved by Alexander Pushkin as a novel; as a film, it was a longtime favorite of the Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia. Critics frequently cite the film as one of the great masterpieces of Black and White Cinemascope cinematography. THE SARAGOSSA MANUSCRIPT is being presented, in a beautiful new print restored to its complete three hour length, by Martin Scorsese and Francis Ford Coppola, in dedication to the memory of Jerry Garcia.
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Too bad. Should have done a Cliff Notes version, just to keep it going. I know it was very popular. There were some suggestions of shortening it anyway.
Sometimes it's difficult to resurrect something like that after a year's absence, although I sense Hyde wouldn't care.
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I want to serve plain cooked frozen peas. However, whenever I try it, they taste kind of bland... What's a simple spice or ingredient that I can add to spice it up a bit, but still pretty much stick to the plain-peas idea?
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Since pure peas don't have a strong aroma, they are a perfect "substrate" for strong, characteristic herbs. It is something of a personal taste, but in this case, I wouldn't use a bouquet of herbs (which mask each other somewhat, leaving only the strongest notes discernible), but would seize the occasion to showcase all the nuances of a single herb, and not one which I use everyday either. For such a dish, I would definitely try to get my hands on a fresh bunch of the herb, to get all the aroma. I would complement it with a fat which brings its own taste.
There are lots of different herbs with a strong aroma. As the peas' basic taste doesn't include sour, they appear somewhat bland, so they are well complemented by herbs which bring a fresh taste (people usually associate sour taste with freshness, and this is missing here). This narrows the circle of herbs available. Out of the stuff I have in my (very european) kitchen, I would opt for summer savory as a perfect match and spearmint or thyme following closely. Basil or lemon balm or marjory are still OK, but not the best. I cannot help you with Asian spices that well, but if you can think of something neither overpowering (like bay leaf) nor too subtle (like tarragon), it will probably work. Or douse it in pomelo juice instead of a herb, to get both aroma and a sour tang.
As for the fat, butter always works well with peas, but such a simple aromatic dish is the perfect way to bring the best out of an exotic oil which is too good for dumping in a pot where it would go under. I would make a choice based on the herb, but avocado oil and macadamia oil come to mind. (If you don't have such exotic oils at home, go with butter. It is not worth buying them if you don't use them for other recipes).
I would add a very small amount of salt and no "everyday" spices like pepper, onions, etc. Just peas, a herb and an oil.
What I describe here will have lots of aroma, but not a strong taste. If you don't like that kind of food, it is safer to go the onion/butter route others have mentioned. In such a case, I would throw in a dairy product. Practically any cheese* or yogurt (or sour cream, or zaziki, whatever you can think of) will create an interesting combination, and there is nothing for it to clash with.
*with the exception of processed "cheese"
We always prepare our peas with little chunks of onion.
If you still aren't satisfied, you can prepare all of this in a bit of butter.
A few things that work great on frozen peas, while still making you think of peas as the main flavor:
Anything fatty and salty. Butter and bacon or ham lardons always make peas taste much better.
We're nearing springtime so a fresh herb would make a great compliment. Personally, I prefer butter with my peas and selected herb. Fresh tarragon with peas makes an interesting but pleasing combination that reflects springtime freshness. When cooked tarragon is subtle but would add just enough flavor to brighten up the palate while still allowing the vegetable to shine through.
If you want a warmer flavor consider looking into a curry blend. You can mix that spice blend into the butter and toss it with the peas. I think it depends on what else you're serving for dinner and your own tastes.
Have fun experimenting!
I usually do a variation on the classic "Braised peas with onion and lettuce." Here's a Jamie Oliver recipe for a quick version of the same, but it doesn't look that appealing to me. Heh.
What I usually do is just toss the onions in some butter for a minute, then throw in some lettuce, and the frozen peas. Salt and pepper, good to go.
a mix of equal amounts (1/4 tsp?) of salt, pepper, cardamom, and marjoram is my fave, with some parsley and chives added in (to taste) as well.
My standby for peas is peanut butter, a little of cider or rice vinegar, soy sauce, turmeric, salt, and garlic. It creates a sweet and savory peanut satay sauce when mixed together with moisture from the peas. Also, it's the polar opposite of bland.
Best of all is the classic French recipe - lardons, tiny onions, lettuce, pinch sugar, salt, braised in the oven. Heaven with fresh peas.
A little balsamic vinegar is also good with peas, just don't overdo it.
An absolute winner with peas (that you can rustle up in about 30 seconds) is a little chopped mint, and a spoon full of basil pesto. It's fantastic!
Quick and easy: cook peas in white wine add spring onions, finish off with a knob of butter when cooked.
Quicker and easier: stir in mint jelly out of a jar.
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Trying to follow the format of QCHuskerfans posts, but mine might be a tad bit *unrealistic*. It is the offseason so sometimes my thoughts get the best of me.
Depth Chart for 2013:
- Starting position is up for grabs.
DuJuan Harris
- Showed some spark late last season, quite like Starks in 2010. I don't believe it was enough of a sample though to mark him in as the #1.
Alex Green
- Coming off an ACL injury the previous season and not fully ready this past season, we didn't see much of Green. I think he is a good 3rd down back though.
James Starks
- Great late season in 2010. Has done nothing but been injured since.
Cedric Benson
- With last season's major injury, I don't think Ced will be the same runningback.
Brandon Saine
- Again, injuries.
There are some great options in the draft. While it isn't always wise to count on a rookie in any starting position, I think there are a few names that can come into the pros and immediately make an impact.
Eddie Lacy
-If Lacy is still on the board at 26, the Packers *should* draft him. Yes, the Packers offensive line needs some help but a runningback like Lacy can strike some fear into a defense and open up A LOT of the passing game. He will most likely make an average offensive line look better than they are.
Montee Ball
- Ball has experience running in a ZBS offense. Another hard runner that can probably make an instant impact in more than just the run game.
Le'Veon Bell
- Biggest of all 3 backs and certainly doesn't run like he is almost 250 pounds. Bell would be another option for the Packers. He adds a similar element as Ball.
I think Ball and Bell can easily fall to the late 2nd round, maybe even early 3rd. I can never tell anymore with the way some teams draft. Maybe cutting a guy like Starks is a bit too much but for the past two seasons, his injuries have kept him off the field. He doesn't help the team on the sidelines every season.
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Starks has a significant injury history and can't be counted on. I can see him being released.
Bensons injury can be career ending. I don't see him coming back.
Saine probably gets another shot.
I like Bell but MSU ran him to death so his career might be short, much like John Brockington.
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Was going to try to get to offense, but am happier that you did. Thank you!
Agree with you about depth chart.
Really agree with Starks. Hasta la vista, baby.
Benson- well it comes down to contract to me. If it costs much to keep him to Training Camp, would cut him. But if he doesn't have a Roster Bonus, might keep him into camp. He would need to be a clear #1 coming out of camp for me to keep though.
Ball- I am not a believer. He has over 600 carries already under his belt in college. In my warped mind, I look at RB's as having a finite # of carries. I would rather have a one year wonder like Lacy than a back that has had a long college career. He has used some of that lifetime allotment of carries up already. There are a number of exceptions to this, like AP. But there is a reason that RB's don't last long in the NFL. Ball is also not much of a threat in the passing game.
Lacey- Low # of carries and much more involved in the passing game at AL. I would be happier with him.
Bell- Again, a high number of carries coming out of college. Much more of a threat in the passing game than Ball.
Philosophically, I would not like to see a RB drafted until our late 3rd Rd pick. Personally, I see too many other bigger needs for the higher picks.
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Starks comes back, Saine gets a shot.
I do think they'll pick someone up though.
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Not that mock drafts have any value to them (I read them to see what the "experts" think the teams need), but Kiper has Lacy coming to the Packers at 26. It is totally a reach but I bring this up because of something he says in his description.
Kiper says:
Lacy could fill a need, allowing them to do more than simply "show" the run, but to gain some legitimate value out of it.
A lot of people think DuJuan Harris can be the starter. I personally think DuJuan Harris is a runningback that just shows the run. I am with you QCHusker as I don't believe a runningback should be taken in the first, especially with all the other needs (mainly defensive and offensive line) but with a guy like Lacy being available there I'd say BPA comes into play, imo.
I think a lot of the better DT/DE are coming off the board early. In terms of offensive line and this is getting a bit off subject for this thread, I think C and LT are the biggest needs. Like DT/DE's, great LTs will be off the board early and a good C.
I'd probably be the only person okay with the dude in my avatar being selected at 26. However, he can play LT, G, and C in the NFL and to me that is a valuable pick, especially for the Packers offensive line (saves this thought for offensive line talk).
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well there you go, if Kiper says GB will take Lacy 26th it is a lock that they will not take any RB in the 1st round.
adding to your post Yerko, No C in the first round. They will get someone in the 3rd. Not another OT in the first unless they already know that Sherrod will not be back. Also I don't see them being upset with Sitton enough to take someone that high.
I can see them going for DL help in the first but not RB or OL.
BTW, I love the idea of getting Barrett Jones. I would like him better in the 2nd or betters still the 3rd. ;)
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If Barrett Jones isn't on the board, you go with Lacy easily. And I'm not just saying that because it's Alabama. The kid's a baller.
I wouldn't mind a safety either.
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Rather pick a FA on RB and concentrate on improving our lines on both sides of the ball in the draft!
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Get Reggie Bush from the Dolphins.
Back ups Benson and Harris.
Kuhn when 2 back set up.
Oh and get a line!!!!
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Get Reggie Bush from the Dolphins.
Back ups Benson and Harris.
Kuhn when 2 back set up.
Oh and get a line!!!!
Benson and Kuhn are done.
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If the Packers use a first round pick on a RB this year, you better hold onto your computer. Because otherwise the vibration caused by my screaming "YOU STUPID A**HOLE, TED" will cause it to fall off your lap/desk.
If there were a Barry Sanders or a Jim Brown available, maybe. But nothing above a fourth rounder should be spent on a RB, and then only if the player is 3rd round value or better.
If there isn't first round quality OL/DL/LB available when GB on the clock, they should be trading down for an extra pick.
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We've talked about how the NFL is a passing league, and how the pendulum is swing hard in the direction of highlight reels and big scoring plays.
But I don't know. I think the pendulum may be ready to swing back a notch or two. I mean this exaggerated passing phase may be getting played out. Be nice to be ahead of the curve a bit.
Still don't think RB is our biggest need though.
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RB isn't the biggest need but we are weak enough at that position that if a RB is clearly the best player on the board I can see them taking him. Just because you select a player at one position in the 1st round it doesn't mean your other needs are screwed. We didn't pick a CB in the 1st round last year and I think that worked out pretty well. There are plenty of good players besides the first 32 that get picked.
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I think this is a very heavy OL/DL draft and there will be quality players sitting in the 2nd, 3rd and 4th rounds for the Packers to take then.
I believe if a runningback of Lacy's caliber is still sitting there at 26, you take him. Now before you go and chop my head off, note that I am not saying that Lacy is the same caliber runningback as THE Adrian Peterson...
Look at what Adrian Peterson does for that offense. If the Packers can have a runningback anywhere close to that, think about the possibilities this draws up for the offense through the air. Lacy will be a very good runningback in the league and could do wonders for this offense.
I am a huge advocate for drafting offensive and defensive lineman. At #26, I think there is bound to be a quality d-lineman available but not an o-lineman. The question becomes is that d-lineman BPA?
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DuJuan Harris – I'm excited about Harris. He was our most productive back. He's quick… plenty fast… good hands… solid blocker… good vision… very decisive… He's everything Thompson hoped Brandon Jackson would be when he drafted him. His body of work is a small sample size, but he's currently the default starter, and isn't a bad option there.
Brandon Saine – the crazy speed makes him tempting.
Alex Green – speaking of B-Jax, Green must have trained with him in the offseason. Green has limited vision and even less patience. He got more carries than anyone and rewarded us with a team low 3.4 per carry. He seems to still think that he can outrun the defense to the edge. He did outrun some players, our O-linemen. I don't even know if he understands how cutback lanes form in an outside zone run.
James Starks – When has he played an injury free season? He was hurt his final season in college and hasn't been healthy a full season with us. He runs far too upright, so even when guys only get a hand on him, he gets spun and turned more than he would if he played with better pad level. I think he will always battle injuries.
Cedric Benson – He had 71 carries for us (a 3.5 per carry average) and might have run three stretch plays. He doesn't have the speed to threaten the front side on a stretch, so we ran him a steady diet of inside zone plays. When the defense knows you're going to run between the tackles, they're going to be waiting for you. He was done before the lisfranc injury. Now he's well-done.
Ryan Grant – I'm a huge Grant fan. He had the second highest ypc on the team, making the most of limited opportunities. He would be a better option than Benson, but sadly, he's done too.
John Kuhn – you gotta love the guy… just not $2.5 million worth. We run TEs in the backfield. Kuhn represents replaceable production. He's a fan favorite, but I can give you 1.75 million reasons to kill the final year of his deal.
Mike Shanahan - whom I don't care for at all - has a knack for finding backs. I'll let you in on his secret… the rollover in his backfield. He brings in about seven new backs a year. A few stick, rarely more than a year, but when you get an extended look at 20 backs in three years, you find a back like Alfred Morris.
Running back value in the draft…
Lacy looks like Ingram lite to me. I wouldn't spend a first on him.
Giovani Bernard (UNC) would be intriguing if he lasted till our second round pick.
I think the value at RB shows up around the fourth round… where guys like Bell, Stepfan Taylor of Stanford, Mike Gillislee of and Kenjon Barner of Oregon are likely to be in-play.
As for the accompanying O-line discussion, my first round wishlist is primarily on the defensive side of the ball. There's only one player on the offensive side of the ball with a chance of being there at #26 that I would take. Sorry Barrett Jones fans. Jones is versatile. He could bail you out of a game at tackle, but he's no more a tackle than TJ Lang. I think Jones is more guard than center. He wouldn't be an awful pick, but I would be disappointed. I think Jones will be solid player/starter for years. My concern is that he's an AJ Hawk type, in that he wouldn't disappoint, but always has you wishing there was more to him. I just don't see the upside.
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Hot & Cold: The Art of Traditional Chinese Medicine
Talks with Man-Li Lin
Prepackaged herbal preparation, NY Tung Ren Tang Health & Healthy Way, 2000. © Erin H. Moriarty
Walking along Flushing's Main Street, one can't help but notice the seemingly endless amount of traditional Chinese medicine stores. The movement of Chinese immigrants into Queens has resulted in the arrival of many businesses catering to the cultural traditions of Asian customers. Approximately, 120,000 individuals of Chinese descent live in Queens, 70,000 of which reside in Flushing. According to Claudia Deutsch of The New York Times, "Flushing has turned into a bustling Asian enclave that rivals its much older Manhattan counterpart, if not in size, then certainly in ethnic intensity (Mannheim 1998:12)." The flourishing practice of traditional Chinese medicine in the borough is one such example of this ethnic intensity. According to the National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine (NCCAOM), approximately 41 acupuncturists and/or Chinese herbologist are registered in Flushing (NCCAOM 2001). This number does not even begin to take into account the large number of practitioners operating in the area without a license.
Traditional Chinese medicine is among the oldest medical traditions, rivaled only by India's tradition of Ayurvedic medicine (Chin & Keng 1992:7). In recorded history, traditional Chinese medicine dates back 2,500 years. Most likely, it predates this period (American Society of Acupuncturists 1996). Today, Chinese medicine continues to be practiced in China. It is also practiced outside of China where ethnic Chinese are represented in the population. Countries such as Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia, the Philippines, Thailand, Indonesia, Europe, and the Americas have all seen the importation of Chinese medicine from the mainland. A nationally adapted form of this health care system is practiced to a certain degree in Japan, Korea, and Vietnam (Chin & Keng 1992:10).
The multicultural nature of Chinese medicine is amplified in an ethnically diverse community such as Queens. Although the Chinese community remains the main group served by traditional medicine stores, these stores also serve other Asian communities living in the borough. Throughout the borough there exists pockets of Vietnamese, Filipino, Thai, and Korean communities. All of these cultures have, to some degree, a similar set of traditional illness principles as their Chinese counterparts.
My introduction to traditional Chinese medicine began in Queens when I met Man-Li Lin during the summer of 2000. As an active member in the Flushing community, Man-Li works for the Department of Labor, devotes nights and weekends to teaching English and Chinese within the community, writes language instruction manuals for English and Chinese speakers, and works with the Flushing Jewish Community Council on improving multicultural relations. It was Man-Li who led me through a maze of Cantonese and Mandarin dialects, Chinese characters, and unfamiliar roots, barks, and berries, revealing to me along the way the complexities of traditional Chinese medicine.
Man-Li has seen the number of herbal stores in downtown Flushing rise in the past few years. Shun An Tong Herbal Health Corporation, where I visited with Man-Li, is among the older and more established herbal shops located on Roosevelt Avenue in Flushing. The owner, a Chinese herbologist and acupuncturist, offers in-house traditional examinations. Many of the newer stores do not provide such services.
Patients to Shun An Tong are brought into a small room off the main store to be diagnosed. Diagnosis often involves the reading of a patients "pulse". As it was explained to me by Man-Li, the doctor is not actually reading the patient's pulse, as it is understood in Western culture. In Chinese traditional medicine, reading the "pulse" involves the reading of one's organs rather than the contractions of one's heart. This "pulse" is read from both wrists. A Chinese medical practitioner may also question the patient about their illness (i.e. appetite and pain), observe the patient's skin color, texture, redness of nose, and body odor. Specifically, smell often provides information regarding the condition of a patient's organs such as the stomach, lungs, liver, kidney, bladder, and colon (Chin & Keng 1992:12). The doctor-patient interaction I witnessed at Shun An Tong was extremely brief, only lasting a few minutes.
Barrels of Ginseng, Shun An Tong Health Herbal Corp., 2000. © Erin H. Moriarty
Chinese disease and illness perceptions are embedded within the belief "that two basic and opposing principles, yin and yang, govern the Universe and all phenomena result from their Continuous interplay (Chin & Keng 1992:12)." Yin is represented by femininity, darkness, cold, and water. In contrast, Yang is represented by masculinity, sun, heat, and fire. Individuals may either be yin dominant or yang dominant and therefore must make an effort to balance their yin and yang with the foods they eat and drink. When both yin and yang are in balance a healthy state pervades the body. A disruption of this yin/yang equilibrium will result in illness (Hsu 1993:xiii).
Medicinal herbs are used as the main method of treatment within Chinese medicine and they are employed to bring the body back into a state of balance (Hsu 1993:xiv, American Society of Acupuncturists 1996). Herbs have hot or cold characteristics that are used to manipulate the yin/yang equilibrium. Cooling herbs have sour, bitter and salty tastes, while heating herbs have pungent and sweet tastes. These characteristics affect different parts of the body. Pungent and sweet herbs tend to affect the upper and exterior parts of the body, while cold herbs affect the lower and interior part of the body (Ody 1993:16). Man-Li provided me with an example of this hot/cold duality, one day, while we were standing among barrels of ginseng at Shun An Tong. American ginseng (Panax quinquefolium), under the yin/yang principle, is cold and warm , while Korean ginseng (Panax ginseng) is hot. American ginseng would be used to treat a person who has excessive heat in the body. Therefore, individuals with pimples, which represent excessive heat, should be treated with American ginseng that is cooling. Korean ginseng would not be taken in this example, because it would work to further disrupt the imbalance between hot and cold in the body.
Drawers filled with herbs fr prescriptions, Shun An Tong Health Herbal Corp., 2000. © Erin H. Moriarty
Herbal prescription being filled and packaged, Shun An Tong Health herbal Corp., 2000. © Erin H. Moriarty
Generally, prescriptions are made up of a complex combination of herbs. Although the majority of such herbs are of vegetal origin (including leaves, flowers, twigs, stems, roots, tubers, rhizomes, and bark), they may also be of animal or mineral origin (American Society of Acupuncturists 1996). There are more than 100 different prescriptions -containing three to ten herbs- in general use among Chinese medical practitioners. For example, a combination of ginger, jujube, and licorice is typically used in formulas intended for the promotion of the digestive system (Hsu 1993:xii). Although the quantities and number of ingredients in each prescription may vary among practitioners, as they are changed according to the patient's physical health, sex, and weight, the main ingredients remains fixed (Chin & Keng 1992:12).
At Shun An Tong, employees will work together to fill the complex prescription provided by the doctor after a diagnosis. Each of the herbs listed on the prescription are removed from the dozens of drawers behind the counter, weighed, and divided among plates spread out on the counter. Each plate represents one dose of the medicine. Prescriptions are usually composed of a main ingredient and many additional ingredients that serve to flavor, preserve, and color the prescription (Chin & Keng 1992:12). The employees work quickly weighing and dividing, by eye, the many roots, barks, berries, and funguses that are included in the prescription. As Man-Li Lin reminded me, the filling of a prescription is not an exact science.
More often than not, the finished prescription is to be taken as a medicinal tea or "soup" and drank for a period of days by the patient. Herbal medicines are often taken in this manner, as a decoction. Wee Yeow Chin and Hsuan Keng explains the process by which a decoction is made:
…the herbal mixture needs to be boiled over a low fire in an enamel or earthenware container in twice the required amount of water. Once the volume of the mixture has been reduced by half, the decoction is poured off and drunk when sufficiently cooled. The remaining herbal mixture in the container can be reused once (1992:12).
This boiling of the herbal prescription allows for the active drug to be dissolved into the water. In addition, boiling decreases the toxicity of certain herbal medicines by deactivating any toxic substances that may cause adverse side effects (Chin & Keng 1992:12).
Liquid herbal medicines, given as decoctions or "soups", remain the most common method of administering Chinese medicine for several reasons. This particular method gives the practitioner flexibility when writing a prescription. That is, a prescription can be adapted to the varying needs of each individual patient. Furthermore, liquid formulas tend to be the most potent method of prescribing medicine (American Society of Acupuncturists 1996).
For those patients who do not have the time or knowledge to prepare herbal decoctions at home, several alternatives are available. Traditionally, herbal decoctions are prepared in an earthenware crock (Ody 1993:17). Shun An Tong offers a modern appliance that prepares herbal decoctions with the press of a button. Other alternatives include the many prepackaged herbal tinctures, pill, and powders now widely available. Such alternatives appeal to those who cannot stomach the intensely bitter taste of the liquid decoction.
The herbs sold in traditional Chinese medicine stores often serve a dual purpose, both as medicine and food item. Patients often cook with the herbs available in these stores. Man-Li often cooks pork or chicken with the herbs she buys in these stores and eats
Lilly Bulbs: smoked and non-smoked, Shun An Tong Health Herbal Corp., 2000. © Erin H. Moriarty
the cooked dish like a soup. The many varieties of mushrooms available are a popular grocery item. Lilies are bought to cook with green beans and eaten as a dessert. Lotus seeds are cooked during the summer to make a cooling dessert as well. Pailly W.L. Su, Chairman of the Shun An Tong Group explains further in his book entitled Oriental Herbal Cook Book For Good Health:
Cooking and herbal medicine are two valuable heritages in Chinese tradition. The combination of the two is what we call the 'herbal diet'. Vegetables are not key elements in a herbal diet. Contrarily, we use herbs, and high protein meats like chicken, pork, and beef…Every Chinese person knows the ingredients for the most common herbal diet: stewed chicken soup with some ginseng, [lyceum] fruit, and red dates. There is no restricted formula for the ingredients…The Chinese might get this formula from their grandma, and their grandma got it from her grandma. (1993:2,6).
Cooking and herbal medicine are two valuable heritages in Chinese tradition. The combination of the two is what we call the 'herbal diet'. Vegetables are not key elements in a herbal diet. Contrarily, we use herbs, and high protein meats like chicken, pork, and beef…Every Chinese person knows the ingredients for the most common herbal diet: stewed chicken soup with some ginseng, [lyceum] fruit, and red dates. There is no restricted formula for the ingredients…The Chinese might get this formula from their grandma, and their grandma got it from her grandma. (1993:2,6).
Dark Bone Chicken Soup with Wild Ginseng, Clove Duck, Ginkgo and Sweet Rice Ball Soup are among the 44 recipes highlighted in this book. In this sense, Chinese medicine is more holistic than Western medicine in that it is concerned with disease prevention and treatment (Hsu & Peacher 1993:17).
Chinese medicine treats a large range of illnesses and conditions. A sample of which include intestinal flu, the common cold, allergies, gynecological disorders, autoimmune diseases, chronic viral diseases, and degenerative diseases associated with aging. For example, after a pregnancy women will often seek out an herbal prescription to clean out the uterus that is thought to contain "dirty blood". For men's health, there are many herbal formulas to choose from that will improve virility. Children are often given reduced dosages of common prescriptions to treat a variety of common childhood conditions including colic, teething, earache, diarrhea, cough, and fever (American Society of Acupuncturists 1996). For the elderly, prepackaged tonics can be purchased to stop the hair from graying.
It is not the explicit aim of Chinese medicine to remedy an illness alone. Rather, its aim is to promote the body's ability to heal and recover from illness (Hsu 1993:xiii, American Society of Acupuncturists 1996). Chinese medicinal prescriptions work to balance hormones, regulate blood components, and improve immune functions (Hsu 1993:xiv). A female patient to Shun An Tong was seeking treatment for her tongue cancer. As the doctor explained to me, the herbal prescription he prescribed for this patient was not intended to her treat cancer, but rather to boost the woman's immune system.
It is interesting to note that traces of the American mainstream medical system can be found on these shelves. Dimetapp Elixir and other mainstream commercial drugs, have found their way among the bottles and packages of herbal medicines from China. These mainstream drugs, although seemingly out of place in this environment, cater to the Asian traveler seeking American medicines to bring home to their native country. This mingling of traditional and mainstream medicine testifies to the forever changing face of cultural traditions.
Traditional Chinese medicine stores provide an indispensable service to the many Asian immigrants living in Queens. To these immigrants, who often lack health insurance and an understanding of the English language, such stores serve as a familiar and affordable alternative health care system (Steinhauer 2000:33). It seems that traditional Chinese medicine will continue to flourish in China and abroad as it has for centuries.
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