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September 06, 2005, 03:07:55 AM »
I have a suspicion that at the moment the FF issue is more one of prestige and image than practicality. By all accounts the D2x is a first rate pro-grade camera suitable for sports, PJ, nature, portrait and so on, and I don't hear owners moaning about lack of resolution/detail. I also don't hear too much about the high speed crop mode, even though that in many respects means that a D2x can do the duty of a Canon 1Ds and a Canon 1D Mark 2. Hiowever it is frustrating to me that Nikon have no wide tilt shift lenses, and they are obsoleting most of their wide primes by the use of APS.
But in the long run I would have though that FF had more future, for the simple reason that the sensor is larger, and hence can contain more pixels at a given density. This a FF sensor can do everything an APS one can do and more. The argument that APS allows smaller lighter cameras and lenses does not seem to be the case, so the main reason for APS is cost.
Nikon seem to be arguing that APS lenses can offer better quality images and there might be something to that, though the market as a whole does not seem to be buying that one.
I suspect many people would be reluctant to buy into Nikon on the grounds that they are focussing on a sensor format that is PERCEIVED to be inferior (thanks to vocal and influential opponants such as Michael Reichmann). My own feeling is that I a reluctant to buy APS lenses only to discover in 5 years time that FF is the new flavour of the month.
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September 06, 2005, 01:54:29 PM »
Full frame (24x36mm ish) has no real world reason except to match some old film sizes.
...and to match old lenses, which were sized to match film.
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September 07, 2005, 02:49:50 PM »
I didn't perceive you being nit picking. Digital may have introduced new formats, but it seems a bit "die hard" to hang onto 35mm film. Especially when conventional wisdom says 35mm film is dead.
There is absolutely magic about 35mm format, except it was accepted a long time ago because it was a split 70mm film and available. Well, if 24x36mm sensors are not practicle, adopt another standard as "full frame."
I use medium format film a lot but I never thought about a particualar format as being a "crop factor" of another, especially 35mm. I also use 4x5. But my trusty ole 210mm Scheinder is just another 210mm lens, not a 336mm 20D lens. And it isn't an 8x10 wide angle lens with crop factor. When I do DoF calculations and such, it is just a 210mm lens.
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September 07, 2005, 05:53:58 PM »
About square formats to avoid rotation: they seem to be very much out of favor lately, with Kodak apparently about to drop the last square sensor (16MB, 36x36mm) in favor or a 4:3 shaped 18MP one, and all new MF bodies being 645 rather than 6x6.
Perhaps the last best chance for non-rotating cameras is having in-camera sensor rotation, so that your camera controls and flash unit stay in the same position when you rotate for a vertical. It would help to use an EVF to avoid the large, slow, square mirror and bulky square frame optical VF system, if EVF's get good enough. Of course, Mamiya had part of this idea decades ago!
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September 05, 2005, 07:01:51 PM »
In the "switching" topic, started at about the same time as this, the photographer wants full-frame. What he means, of course, is full-frame 35mm. On a Galbraith forum, a very successful and well-known professional photographer who uses medium format digital, and both Canon and Nikon top-end DSLRs, complains about the lack of full-frame in Nikon. It seems he just doesn't like it not being full-frame.
But why? Aside from some minor effects when one is trying to get shallow depth-of-field, and some viewfinder differences, there's not much to choose between Canon's full-frame and the Nikon's 1.5. There are differences in the cameras, to be sure, and one might prefer one or the other, but would you really switch just to get full-frame?
Every time anybody has tried to explain why they prefer full-frame, they wind up providing explanations that other folks then demonstrate are not true. The "switcher," for example, specifically mentions that he wants to go to Canon because he uses wide-angles, when almost everybody agrees that corner sharpness is notably weak with Canon wide-angle full-frames.
To continue my rant, from a slightly different direction:
After reading the "switcher" post, I happened to pick up a PDN (carefully stored in the bathroom) and flipping through it, was interested to see that *not a single photograph in the entire magazine was in a native 35mm format (2:3).* Not one. 35mm film was not chosen because it was a great format for still cameras; it was chosen because it existed. NONE of the most common medium format or large format sizes are 2:3 (there is a 6x9, but that's probably the least common of the medium formats), which tells you something about what serious professionals prefer.
I'm a Nikon D2x shooter but I'm not a fanatic about it; until a few months ago I shot full-frame Kodaks. I believe Canons are great cameras. But I think they are *stuck* with full-frame; there are other possibilities that they can't exploit, which will only work with either a cropped frame or a whole new set of bigger, heavier, and more expensive cameras and lenses. One thing Canon doesn't need is more weight.
So what are some of the other possibilities? Thom Hogan mentions somewhere that the DX line of lenses for Nikons seem to have room to accomodate a somewhat larger sensor, though not full-frame. If Canon, with it's 1DsIII, goes to 22mp, Nikon may feel, for competitive reasons, that it needs to generate more megapixels. It would be hard to do so with the current chip size. I wouldn't be surprised if they went to a 1.3 chip. But what I'm hoping is, that they either stay with the same with chip, or a somewhat longer chip (the 1.3 length), but with a format that is 4:5 rather than 2:3. Why perpetuate the 35mm format? It's probably the least-used, most-cropped format in existence. Nikon has the room, with its current lenses, to do this. And given the focus on megapixels, it may have the need...
I certainly hope so. I'd love a ~20mp D3x with a 4:5 crop...
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September 06, 2005, 03:43:27 AM »
I suspect many people would be reluctant to buy into Nikon on the grounds that they are focussing on a sensor format that is PERCEIVED to be inferior (thanks to vocal and influential opponants such as Michael Reichmann). My own feeling is that I a reluctant to buy APS lenses only to discover in 5 years time that FF is the new flavour of the month.
I guess that it all depends how important for you are the images you'll be taking in the meantime with your system.
Different photographers probably have different reasons for preferring FF over APS sensors. I personnally feel that FF does make a lot of sense for some applications (portrait for instance), and probably less for others (typically landscape in my view), but I have given up trying to convince anyone of the validity of my views.
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September 06, 2005, 01:46:06 PM »
I'm curious as to why you think FF is not so important for landscape. I would have thought the opposite, though given the quality - or lack of - of my landscapes, I'm prepared to listen to other views.
Whether "full format" is important for landscapes or not depend on what kind of landscapes you shoot.
I, for instance, don't need ultra-wide angles, I even sold off my EF-S 10-22mm because it was
wide for my landscape needs. Well, so far, anyway. And if it wasn't too wide, it would still provide the same angle of view at the wide end as the EF 16-35mm on a 1Ds. Since there have been a distinct lack of comparisons between the 20D with a 10-22mm and a 1Ds series with a 16-35mm, I cannot say anything about the quality issues.
There are so many different things to do in landscape photography that you could justify any format or lens (in terms of angle of view, that is).
Where a "full frame" 35mm camera wins without doubt, is the viewfinder. I really want a bright, large viewfinder. And I know I'll get it if I buy e.g. a Hasselblad H2 or a used Contax 645, or an approximation of it in the 1-series Canons.
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September 07, 2005, 05:21:53 PM »
2:3 is a reasonable compromise between the 4:5 aspect ratio common for portraits and the wider aspect ratio used for single-capture panoramic landscapes.
I suppose it depends on one's range of desired print shapes; my tastes range mostly from 5:4 to 3:2, with few outliers, and this is also the case in collections of photographs, paintings, drawings, and painting and drawing supplies that I have surveyed. For that range, 4:3 is a more central compromise shape.
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September 07, 2005, 05:39:36 PM »
"But the image circle still matters, because it represents a readily available lens base to select from." True. But then the lens design isn't a very good one for the selected format. That is the problem for the person selecting that lens, not the format or lens.
"I don't think a new format would stand much of a chance without solid backing, and right now it looks like all the major players have decided on their lenses for their digital formats." I don't diagree here. If I had a basket full of designs and products, I would be reluctant to scrape all that and move on. The current wisdom says film is dead, but there are film makers still hanging on.
"... it's not a mass market thing, and it seems unlikely that it will appear in the more consumer-oriented 35 mm-derived bodies." Probably true too. I have maintained for a long time that if nuclear fission had been discovered before fire, there would be many more nuclear plants than oil or gas today. The consumer be damned as long as they spend. If 36x36mm had been selected instead of 24x36, things woulsd be different today in the consumer market. 35mm had nothing to do with what was wanted or needed or art, just with what was available.
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September 05, 2005, 07:27:17 PM »
2:3 is a reasonable compromise between the 4:5 aspect ratio common for portraits and the wider aspect ratio used for single-capture panoramic landscapes. What I'd like is a ~25MP 36x36mm square format in a 1-series body so that I could shoot horizontal and vertical simultaneously and choose the crop and aspect ratio later.
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September 05, 2005, 09:53:25 PM »
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September 06, 2005, 01:31:27 PM »
Full frame (24x36mm ish) has no real world reason except to match some old film sizes. With digital cameras and the the "technology revolution," why not come up with a sensor size that makes practicle sense for digital - like the cost of producing certain sensor sizes on a given chip?
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September 06, 2005, 02:37:21 PM »
But why? Aside from some minor effects when one is trying to get shallow depth-of-field, and some viewfinder differences,
These are major not minor issues. Losing the ability of shallow DOF at certain popular focal lengths is a major problem for almost everyone but landscape, sports and macro users. Event/wedding/magazine/catalogue shooters all prefer FF for that reason. Oh and because they want their arsenal of lenses to work as advertised.
I have a friend who shoots Nikon. For film his most used and favorite lens by far is the super sharp 28-70 f2.8 AF-S. He will probably sell it soon as he migrates to digital. To force loyal users to sell lenses that they know back to front, that they've worked with for years, make a loss and pick up the latest incarnation, just to give him a similar set of focal lengths is a crime. They might as well admit that they are forcing their users to buy a camera, oh and software, oh and by the way, have some DX lenses while you're at it.
I tested the D2X out when Bernard (I think) was trying to pursuade me that it was an option over the 5D. I open mindedly went through the options and decided on the 5D, mainly for cost reasons, I couldn't afford the switch. I did check it out though, in my personal opinion the viewfinder is smaller and dimmer than the one on my almost unsellable Elan II! For me that is a serious turnoff. If I'm shooting 10+ hours at a time (weddings) then I want as big a viewfinder that I can. Small viewfinders are not an issue to brush off!
Didger used to point out what a difference even a little bit of weight shaved used to make for his hiking, it was his reason for switching to Nikon. I say that when you work with a tool you want the tool to be as comfortable to use as possible, small details do matter!
The "switcher," for example, specifically mentions that he wants to go to Canon because he uses wide-angles, when almost everybody agrees that corner sharpness is notably weak with Canon wide-angle full-frames
This is the usual rant of the nikon crop fanatics, that the canon WA's arn't up to it. OK, where is your 12-24 f2.8? hmmm? your fast WA primes? Where is your 16mm 1.4 prime to match the 24mm 1.4L, sharp corners or not?
Canon must know by now that their WA's suck at the corners, a replacement for the 16-35L with acceptable corner sharpness would knock that complaint straight out of the water (PMA anyone?) leaving Nikon without their strongest, and only real argument against FF. Not to mention that to get the resolution required to match those 'weak' FF cameras Nikon has only one offering compared to the 3 that Canon has (1Ds, mkII, 5D).
Bernard I think makes a good point, we've argued it over before but he's right, extra DOF is an advantage for landscape work, though I'm not hugely sympathitic to the concept, I used to shoot landscapes with a Mamiya 645. It's silly though to harp on the WA point assuming that this, the only real disadvantage, will continue to perpetuity. Nikon seems to be moving so slowly relatively that Canon could update it's entire WA lens line by the time they realise that affordable FF
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September 06, 2005, 07:29:22 PM »
I'm curious as to why you think FF is not so important for landscape. I would have thought the opposite, though given the quality - or lack of - of my landscapes, I'm prepared to listen to other views.
Hi there,
This topic has been discussed at lenght already. A poster called Didger did also conduct in depth analysis between his 1Ds and D2x and his conclusions were identical to mine. He did unfortunately pass away a few months ago in a tragic backcountry accident.
Using currently availalbe cameras, the question ends up being which of the D2x or the 1Ds2 is the better tool for landscape applications (the 5D will IMHO not change the game too much - see below). As I said, I am not trying to convince anyone, and I know that amazing pics can be taken with a 1Ds2. No doubt.
From my selfish standpoint though, here is why I feel the D2x to be the better tool for landscape applications:
1. More DOF, which is key for landscape as my experience with 4*5 has painfully taught me,
2. The image quality is overall very similar, at least up to 400 ISO (which is all I need for landscape):
2.1. The DX wide lenses provide a very uniform image accross the frame, down to 12 mm on the 12-24 mm. This appears not to be the case with the best L lenses on the 1Ds2. Pom is right to say that Canon will probably release better wide zooms, but they have been very slow doing so (the 1Ds was released 3 years ago), and those will be expensive new lenses which will pretty much cancel out the supposed advantage of being able to use one's existing set of lenses.
2.2. The colors delivered by the D2x are great,
3. The D2x is much lighter as a system:
1. Body is 200 gr lighter,
2. Battery life is longer and batteries are nearly twice lighter (180 gr vs 335 gr).
-> For an intensive 5 days shooting in the wild, where 3 or 4 batteries would typically be needed with a D2x (against 4 or 5 with a 1Ds2), this results in at least 1 kg less weight to carry around with the D2x. A BIG factor if you actually trek in the high country.
I can already hear some people saying that 1 kg is not a big deal... it is for me.
If you factor in the fact that DX wide are also lighter, then you end up finding out that you can actually take one more long lens like the 70-200 with you for free weightwise compared to a 1Ds2 based system... or a light Goretex tent for instance (mine weighting only 1300 gr).
The gap weightwise does of course further increase if you take a second body along,
4. The ergonomics of the D2X are great which helps shooting with gloves in the cold for instance (something I do during the winter months in Japan). 2 great additional features are the display of the ISO value in the viewfinder together with WB value,
5. The D2x is much cheaper than the 1Ds2. The 5D will change this, but I don't think that I would trust an important shoot in the wild to a 5D class body though. All those that have been writing reviews about how rugged the 1Ds2 is, and how important this rudgness is for landscape shooting should agree with me on this.
6. The day I start wildlife, the 200-400 f4 VR (behaving like a 300-600 f4 VR on the D2x) will be available a provide a much lighter, cheaper and flexible alternative compared to the 500f4 and 600f4 1ds2 users would have to carry along. Again, not a problem if you shoot from the car, more so if you actually trek to location.
7. Best in class low light AF. Great for pre-dawn shots where it is too dark for focus manually in an accurate fashion.
As a Nikon user with an existing set of lenses, it is really a clear cut choice...
The 1Ds2 probably has some advantage over the D2x though:
- more tilt lenses -> I hope that Nikon will provide a solution to this,
- a wider viewfinder,
- better high ISO image quality, not a factor for landscape, but a bit more so for wildlife (which I haven't been doing too much),
- possibly a bit more DR, but this isn't that clear.
But those are IMHO far from outweighting the other advantages I see to the current Nikon system.
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September 07, 2005, 03:01:06 AM »
Bernard: Thanks for taking the trouble to post such an informative reply. Clearly I missed the earlier discussions on these issues. Leif
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September 07, 2005, 01:38:52 PM »
Bob, I couldn't care less about image quality here. Image circle size is another matter altogether. My point is; Does a 6x4.5 have a crop factor when I put a 6x4.5 back or a 70mm back on my Hasselblad. Yes. But no. No one thinks about that or probably knows what it is without a quick calculation.
Is a 6x6 just a cropped 6x7 or 6x9? No, not really.
So maybe it is time to stop thinking a 20D is a 35mm camera with a 1.6 crop factor. It is just a camera with a normal lens of about 30mm. The fact that anon does not make a 30mm lens is irrelavent.
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September 07, 2005, 05:22:59 PM »
I see what you mean, I think.
But the image circle still matters, because it represents a readily available lens base to select from.
Whether that lens base is Canon's lens base for 35 mm film, or it's Nikon's base for 35 mm film and 24 mm wide sensors, or something else altogether, is another matter.
I don't think a new format would stand much of a chance without solid backing, and right now it looks like all the major players have decided on their lenses for their digital formats.
It's a pity that the 4/3 system isn't a 1:1 system.
If we're to look at it realistically, I don't think we'll see a 1:1 format in any mass-produced system any time soon. While there are medium format digital backs with that format, it's not a mass market thing, and it seems unlikely that it will appear in the more consumer-oriented 35 mm-derived bodies.
Even if the camera manufacturers would make it, it could be a hard sell to the consumers, even if a handful of landscape photographers like me have wet dreams about it.
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September 07, 2005, 06:49:03 PM »
Hi there,
About square sensors. Are there really so many square images in print? I see very few actually.
I would personnally still prefer to pay less for a non square sensor (whether it is 3/2, 4/3 or 5/4) on which I will do less cropping. For my needs, a square 16 MP sensor would always end up being a non square 12 MP sensor or less, but I will nonetheless have paid for the additional square millimeters of silicon... Personnally, 4/3 is probably the best compromise.
Besides, a square sensor whose height is larger than the height of the sensor for which the body was designed initially will have to result in a larger mirror and prism.
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September 05, 2005, 07:42:26 PM »
2:3 is a reasonable compromise between the 4:5 aspect ratio common for portraits and the wider aspect ratio used for single-capture panoramic landscapes. What I'd like is a ~25MP 36x36mm square format in a 1-series body so that I could shoot horizontal and vertical simultaneously and choose the crop and aspect ratio later.
And I've been saying that from day 1.
Once you shot with a square format or rotating back, it hard to forget the convenience that you had during a shoot.
I use a RRS L Plate - the closest compromise available. But obviously you need to make the horizontal-vertical decision on the spot.
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September 06, 2005, 12:49:06 AM »
A 1.3 APS chip with a 5/4 aspect ratio built with the same pixel pitch as the D2x would be 19.8 MP.
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Someone sent me a list compiled by a Jacquelyn Mitchard, who is billed as a best-selling author. Her list is of "16 Songs Everyone Over 50 Must Own."
Well, let me tell you, I am way over 50 and there isn't one song on her list I care to own, and none of my selections are on hers. She even picked the wrong Beatles song! And why 16? I don't know, but ever since, I have been working on a list of songs I feel it necessary to own and listen to and listen to and listen to again.
My list starts off with Hoagy Carmichael's "Stardust." Many persons I know prefer Artie Shaw's recording of it, but if I had to pick just one, I'd say Nat "King" Cole's version gets it just right. How can "Stardust" not be on a list of people over 50?
"My Funny Valentine" is another "must." It's from the musical "Pal Joey," and it is a keeper. Frank Sinatra recorded it, even though in the film it belongs to one of the women.
The words are lovely poetry, and the music is haunting – and few singers can do with a song what Frankie did. I think I ought to put his rendition of "Chicago" on my list, too.
I feel like that about Barbra Streisand. A lot of singers have recorded "The Way We Were," but I like her version best. Maybe that's because it's tied up with the film. But my favorite Streisand song is "Poppa, Can You Hear Me?" That's from her film "Yentl." Have you seen it? Mandy Patinkin is in it, also, and he's blessed with a voice, even now, all these years later.
Then, of course, there is the Beatles regime. They were so prolific! And narrowing it down is a task, but "Yesterday" stands out, and it's my favorite Beatles song and it definitely belongs on a list of favorites.
Rodgers and Hammerstein and George Gershwin wrote many immortal songs. How many can one pick? I think the "Soliloquy" from "Carousel" is one of the most affecting pieces of music I've ever heard performed. The first time I heard it was in the original New York production, and it was sung by John Raitt, Bonnie's dad.
When he finished singing it and hurried off the stage, the tears were making their way down my cheeks. And hearing "Summertime," from "Porgy and Bess," can do that to me, also.
Judy Garland performed magic with "Somewhere Over the Rainbow." And who could leave off her daughter's singing "New York, New York"?
"I've Got You Under My Skin" is not the most grammatical, but it surely is one of the most effective laments. Cole Porter couldn't go wrong, and I guess "Night and Day" with its beat, beat, beat should be on my list. Then there's a little known tango, "Tu Sais": It's from my college days but still makes the blood gallop through arteries and veins.
And the list could go on and on — but not with "Jailhouse Rock" by Elvis, which is on Jacquelyn's list. So is "Lately," by Stevie Wonder and "God Only Knows," by the Beach Boys.
Oh, how could I forget "September Song"? That truly is a favorite, especially as recorded by the original singer in the musical, Walter Huston. He doesn't really sing it: He talks it through, and he breaks my heart every time I hear it. (Poor heart. It seems to break rather easily, doesn't it? But that's what music can do.)
So there are my songs. I'm going to limit you to five because of space. If you are 50 or older, what makes your list? Please let me know.


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Loveless, jobless and possibly terminally ill, Frank has had enough of the downward spiral of America. With nothing left to lose, Frank takes his gun and decides to off the stupidest, cruelest and most repellent members of society with an unusual accomplice: 16-year-old Roxy, who shares his sense of rage and disenfranchisement. From stand-up comedian and director Bobcat Goldthwait comes a scathing and hilarious attack on all that is sacred in the United States of America.
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Osteomyelitis is an infection in a bone. Infections can reach a bone by traveling through the bloodstream or spreading from nearby tissue. Osteomyelitis can also begin in the bone itself if an injury exposes the bone to germs.
In children, osteomyelitis most commonly affects the long bones of the legs and upper arm, while adults are more likely to develop osteomyelitis in the bones that make up the spine (vertebrae). People who have diabetes may develop osteomyelitis in their feet if they have foot ulcers.
Once considered an incurable condition, osteomyelitis can be successfully treated today. Most people require surgery to remove parts of the bone that have died — followed by strong antibiotics, often delivered intravenously, typically for at least six weeks.
Signs and symptoms of osteomyelitis include:
Sometimes osteomyelitis causes no signs and symptoms or has signs and symptoms that are difficult to distinguish from other problems.
See your doctor if you experience worsening bone pain along with fever. If you're at risk of infection because of a medical condition or recent surgery or injury, see your doctor right away if you notice signs and symptoms of an infection.
Most cases of osteomyelitis are caused by staphylococcus bacteria, a type of germ commonly found on the skin or in the nose of even healthy individuals.
Germs can enter a bone in a variety of ways, including:
Your bones are normally resistant to infection. For osteomyelitis to occur, a situation that makes your bones vulnerable must be present.
A severe bone fracture or a deep puncture wound gives infections a route to enter your bone or nearby tissue. Surgery to repair broken bones or replace worn joints also can accidentally open a path for germs to enter a bone. Deep animal bites also can provide a pathway for infection.
When blood vessels are damaged or blocked, your body has trouble distributing the infection-fighting cells needed to keep a small infection from growing larger. What begins as a small cut can progress to a deep ulcer that may expose deep tissue and bone to infection. Diseases that impair blood circulation include:
There are a number of conditions that require the use of medical tubing to connect the outside world with your internal organs. However, this tubing can also serve as a way for germs to get into your body, increasing your risk of an infection in general, which can lead to osteomyelitis. Examples of when this type of tubing might be used include:
If your immune system is affected by a medical condition or medication, you have a greater risk of osteomyelitis. Factors that may suppress your immune system include:
For unclear reasons, people with HIV/AIDS don't seem to have an increased risk of osteomyelitis.
People who inject illicit drugs are more likely to develop osteomyelitis because they typically use nonsterile needles and don't sterilize their skin before injections.
Osteomyelitis complications may include:
While you might initially bring your signs and symptoms to the attention of your family doctor, he or she may refer you to a doctor specializing in infectious diseases or to an orthopedic surgeon.
Here's some information to help you get ready for your appointment, and what to expect from your doctor.
For osteomyelitis, some basic questions to ask your doctor include:
During the physical exam, your doctor may feel the area around the affected bone for any tenderness, swelling or warmth. If you have a foot ulcer, your doctor may use a dull probe to determine the proximity of the underlying bone.
Your doctor is likely to ask you a number of questions, such as:
Your doctor may order a combination of tests and procedures to diagnose osteomyelitis and to determine which germ is causing the infection.
Blood tests may reveal elevated levels of white blood cells and other factors that may indicate that your body is fighting an infection. If your osteomyelitis was caused by an infection in the blood, tests may reveal what germs are to blame. No blood test exists that tells your doctor whether you do or do not have osteomyelitis. However, blood tests do give clues that your doctor uses to decide what further tests and procedures you may need.
A bone biopsy is the gold standard for diagnosing osteomyelitis, because it can also reveal what particular type of germ has infected your bone. Knowing the type of germ allows your doctor to choose an antibiotic that works particularly well for that type of infection. An open biopsy requires anesthesia and surgery to access the bone. In some situations, a surgeon inserts a long needle through your skin and into your bone to take a biopsy. This procedure requires local anesthetics to numb the area where the needle is inserted. X-ray or other imaging scans may be used for guidance.
The most common treatments for osteomyelitis are antibiotics and surgery to remove portions of bone that are infected or dead. Hospitalization is usually necessary.
A bone biopsy will reveal what type of germ is causing your infection, so your doctor can choose an antibiotic that works particularly well for that type of infection. The antibiotics are usually administered through a vein in your arm for at least four to six weeks. Side effects may include nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. An additional course of oral antibiotics may also be needed for more-serious infections.
Depending on the severity of the infection, osteomyelitis surgery may include one or more of the following procedures:
In people with very difficult-to-treat osteomyelitis, hyperbaric oxygen therapy may help get more oxygen to the bone and promote healing. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy is a means of delivering more oxygen than is normally available in the atmosphere. This is done using a pressure chamber that resembles a large, clear tube.
If you've been told that you have an increased risk of infection, talk to your doctor about ways to prevent infections from occurring. Reducing your risk of infection will also reduce your risk of developing osteomyelitis. In general, take precautions to avoid cuts and scrapes, which give germs easy access to your body. If you do get any cuts and scrapes, clean the area immediately and apply a clean bandage. Check wounds frequently for signs of infection.
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I don't know if you can still get it but there used to be a such thing as a nickle SMAW electrode for welding black cast iron. Seems to me I used to hear that it had hit-or-miss results usually due to cracking. Preheat is critical. Haven't heard anybody mention it in years. Most people braze cast iron with brass. There are youtube vids out there showing how it's done. You can also fusion weld cast iron with a gas torch and that's pretty much the best method but it's also the slowest as you have to weld it like a conventional weld with bevel prep and a lot of material deposit and a lot of powdered flux you dip the iron filler rod into periodically. It's hot, hot, hot and slooooooow.
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I'd just braze it with a O/A torch and then paint it to cover the repair.
I agree, Braze it.
Get some Crown Alloys 44-30 .035 mig wire for cast iron and use your MM210. Any gas CO2, 75/25 or Argon will work well with it. Then you will have some wire left for the next job ...BobBob Wright, Grandson of Tee Nee Boat Trailer Founder
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I would preheat, use a nickle rod then cool slowly- like wrap with insulation.
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Good nickel welding rod is not available anymore. Brazing with brass will work, but brazing with bronze on cast-iron is the best. I use a nickel bronze rod made by Harris. We also use bronze to buildup the drive gears on Steam Tractors, and have never had a problem with a failure, unlike when others use an arc welder.Jeff Lund
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This ones easy braze it. Pre-heat around 200°f. Wells with a nickle rod 55. Wrap with insulation tightly and let it cool over night. Don't peek. If you hear it crack start over. Really simple just time consuming. Good luck. ARE YOU SURE ITS CAST IRON ANS NOT CAST STEEL. THERES A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN WELDING. CAST STEEL BEING MUCH EASIER..
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|3 years ago :: Apr 10, 2012 - 12:58PM #1
Here's the story.
Someone says something nice about Castro and they get suspended? A "community" is offended! If a community is offended by someone saying something nice about someone, then they need to be offended more often.
Ozzie Guillen, or any other American or human on this planet, should be able to say what they want without fear of reprisal from some overly sensitive crybabies.
Although McCarthy would be proud of them.
Castro is no saint, but being punished for saying something nice about him is just un-American. It shows that they don't really get what this country is supposed to be about.
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|3 years ago :: Apr 10, 2012 - 1:07PM #2
Very sad.
It has become a country of crybabies.
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|3 years ago :: Apr 10, 2012 - 1:16PM #3
Crybabies....with guns
Black Lives Matter
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|3 years ago :: Apr 10, 2012 - 1:45PM #4
I agree with the sentiment expressed here.
First, I think anyone who truly praises Castro is dumb. This guy did it in a failed tounge and cheek manner which was rather clumsy.
However there is no real freedom of speech. I do believe in freedom of speech and the law of natural consequences. This guy deserved to be booed I guess or something along those lines but why take it so far? Why destroy someone just because they say something stupid? I can see not taking them seriously, but this career ending nonsense is over the top.
It is not the government stealing our freedom of speech as much as it is law suits, terrorism, etc, corporate control, etc.
You can get away with trashing the president or insulting the senator but say one thing positive about Castro and you are finished.
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|3 years ago :: Apr 10, 2012 - 2:26PM #5
"No matter how dark the moment, love and hope are always possible." George Chakiris
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|3 years ago :: Apr 10, 2012 - 2:50PM #6
Right now, I'm busy wiping my tears, before they have a chance to fall on to my Kalashnikov and possibly rust it.
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|3 years ago :: Apr 10, 2012 - 9:24PM #8
This is not really about free speech. What Mr. Guillen said, and the reactions, were the actions of private individuals and private corporations. If someone says something offensive to the majority of the customers of the business he works for, he can expect management to react accordingly.
That being said, the reaction on the part of both customers and management was preposterous. It is evident to me that a goodly number of Miami Cubans are plain nuts. These people sit in expectation of moving back and taking over Havana lock stock and barrel once the Communists fall. It's been, like, 50 years. Get over it.
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from 2 ****ing missed fgs including 1 in ot to win it, to blocking a fg attempt only to have our ****ing coach try to ice the kicker which never ****ing works, this is sick. even worse its to these ****ing bastards. so much to discuss for this game, so many flaws, but wow, a game in which he had within our grasps to now being 1-2, sick to my stomach along with many other fin fans,
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|Installation Guide
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- Overall Height: 12" (measured from counter top to highest point on faucet)
- Spout Height: 8-5/8" (measured from counter top to spout outlet)
- Spout Reach: 8-7/8" (measured from center of faucet body to center of spout outlet)
- Faucet Holes: 1 (number of holes required for installation)
- Flow Rate: 1.5 gallons-per-minute
- Maximum Deck Thickness: 2-3/16" (cannot mount to decks thicker unless extension kit is used)
- 1 handle included with faucet
- Designed for use with standard U.S. plumbing connections
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The Jado 850/800 Spout swivels at 360° which means you can mount the handle to the left or to the right. Look at model Jado 850/860 for a side sprayer or Jado 850/850 for a Pull out sprayer.
can the handle be installed so it's on the left and is a sprayer available?
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The Jado 850/800 is no longer offered in antique copper.
Is this available in antique copper?
The Jado 850/800 is no longer offered in antique copper.
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A new crop of television shows designed to boost the value of a home for sale by making cosmetic improvements point out the fact that a few, inexpensive updates can make a home much more attractive to potential buyers.
"However, a new coat of paint, organizing the clutter and re-arranging furniture to make rooms look bigger won't make up for expensive structural or systemic problems that will likely be discovered during the buyer's own home inspection, since 80 percent of homes are inspected prior to finalizing the contract," says Joe DeMars, Riverside - area director of HouseMaster(r), the oldest home inspection franchise organization in the United States and Canada.
DeMars advises that sellers get their own, objective home inspection to give the house a once-over, pointing out underlying conditions that will need to be repaired to get the best listing price. "If you've lived in a house for 20 years, you've probably learned to live with a few problems, since you see them everyday. A potential buyer will see these as turnoffs," explains DeMars.
"With so many buyers getting a professional home inspection, cosmetic improvements aren't necessarily enough to get the best price, considering that for every $100 of repairs a home needs, a buyer is likely to try to negotiate about $200 off the asking price." For high-ticket items like a new roof, moisture problems or heating/cooling/plumbing issues, a seller can potentially lose tens of thousands of dollars.
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The listing price should reflect deficiencies. If a house has deficiencies, the price should reflect them for a faster sale. The combination of a professional inspection report and a listing price that reflects the true condition of the house can help minimize any re-negotiation of the sales price late in the deal and, possibly, even speed up the selling process. "No one wants a house that sits on the market for months at an unrealistic selling price," adds DeMars.
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Make repairs before you sell. Sellers can turn lemons into lemonade with their own home inspection. For instance, if the roof needs major repairs or if the bathroom has an ongoing leak, any potential buyer is likely to negotiate the cost of these repairs off the listing price up front. The seller may save half the profit by fixing the roof and any other items on their own, positioning re-caulked bathroom tiles and new roof shingles as new upgrades or improvements versus just a needed repair.
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I make stuffing the same way my mother made stuffing. It will stay that way because I don't eat it and my family tells me this is good. They wouldn't lie to me would they?
Oct 15, 2009
I make stuffing the same way my mother made stuffing. It will stay that way because I don't eat it and my family tells me this is good. They wouldn't lie to me would they?
13 comments:
- Haley said...
OMG, I think I'm gonna need to follow your FOODIE FRIDAY NOW! Yum.
- October 15, 2009 at 11:23 PM
- susan said...
Lori-This looks delicious! Of course, in the South we start with cornbread and call it dressing! On the sporting events--It is not always as civilized as it appears :0) Thanks for a laugh that will last me all day--I need it. I am cleaning the attic :)
- October 16, 2009 at 7:18 AM
- Mary said...
The stuffing looks delicious. Re: the carcass. Appeal to their green instincts and talk a lot about garbage dumps during dinner. That aside it is a shame. Turkey soup is a gift from the gods. Have a great day.
- October 16, 2009 at 7:42 AM
- ButterYum said...
You are a girl after my own heart!
PS - your blog name makes me chuckle every time I see it!
- October 16, 2009 at 8:27 AM
- heartnsoulcooking said...
Looks delish. I live in New Mexico and leftover turkey makes the best tacos and leftover stuffing with red chili is a must after Thanksgiving. I always have to make extra. THANKS!!! Geri
- October 16, 2009 at 9:48 AM
- Michelle said...
Looks so good and I am so looking forward to the holidays this year.
Can you believe I've never made stuffing? Never cooked a turkey either!
My husband cooks the turkey and stuffing, I make all the sides and desserts.
- October 16, 2009 at 10:15 AM
- Mrs. P. said...
Lori...this looks wonderful. Great stuffing and your herbs are beautiful! Great post :)
- October 16, 2009 at 10:22 AM
- Emily said...
Your stuffing recipe is a lot like mine except my family does not like it cooked inside the turkey. I bake mine in a large baking dish. Instead of the white bread, I use store-bought seasoned stuffing croûtons. Either way you make it, stuffing is always delicious. Thanks for sharing with us and for stopping by my blog so I could find you! :)
- October 16, 2009 at 10:24 AM
- Coralie Cederna Johnson said...
This looks delicious! And I have to tell you I just read your "About Me" and am still laughing...out loud! Nice to meet you!
- October 16, 2009 at 10:38 AM
- A Stitch In Thyme said...
Hi there!! I start getting the "honey (or mom), you should make two dishes of stuffing this year" right about this time every single year!! I do an apple - raisin - cinnamon stuffing for our holiday and they love the living heck out of it. T-day is my absolute hands down if was dying tomorrow this is what I would- holiday!! Love everything about it.
- October 16, 2009 at 12:17 PM
- Tamara Jansen said...
Well now, that just looks YUMMY! And thanks for the Hotpot restaurant tip.....have you actually been there? I think it would be so much fun to invite a bunch of friends for HOTPOT!
- October 16, 2009 at 3:34 PM
- Nancy Jane said...
Stuffing cooked inside the turkey is my favorite part of Thanksgiving, which by the way is my favorite holiday! Your recipe is very close to mine... Nancy
- October 16, 2009 at 4:58 PM
- Sue said...
I want to know why you have an aversion to "stuffing!" You just don't like the taste? You don't like what's in there? Inquiring minds want to know!!!
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I will be landing in Sacramento from Japan on the 20th of November. I haven't played in the US for over 15 years. I'm looking for players in the NorCal area to get a few rounds in. From De LaVeage to Grass Valley, preferably. I will be living around Shady Oaks, Orangevalle,CA. Looking for a league and players in the open/pro divisions....
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just a minor point... sacramento and san fransisco are central Ca.
Central Valley Series,its just starting now,nov thru end of april,its new to me also coming from the so cal series where it just ended,but the CVS is just starting,my guess is because it gets to hot in the summer.kinda a diff schedule,but thats cool.
Central CA. is south of San Francisco and north of SoCal. Think Fresno and Tulare. Come on man, you're from California, you should know that.
the CVS schedule is on DISCTRIBUTION.COM,for the 20011-2012 event shedule first event is nov 19th,modesto fall classic.
Ummmm, wrong. Both of those cities are in Northern California.
Heck I always thought we should split the state anyway. Sooooo we'll take everything from Big Surnorth and So Cal can have the rest ;)
Fresno and Tulare are Central Valley , pal. Dust Bowl baby!
the northern boundry of central ca is drwan at 38 degrees and 51 minutes north just sayin. if you divide the state into 3 equal parts.
nor cal series disc golf is at norcalseries.com,,that is home page for that region,,
southern california disc golf.com----disctribution.com----nor cal series.com----so cal,central,norcal,3 diff sites for the 3 diff regions.all info here,shedules for the 3 diff regions.
than oregon than washington,than canada,than the yukon territories,than alaska..........ha..just having fun,welcome back david,,will see you on the course buddy
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For solder, we recommend starting out with a lead-based solder, usually called 63/37 (63% tin, 37% lead by weight) or 60/40 rosin cored solder. Get whatever's cheaper; there's unnoticeable difference in hand soldering between 63/37 and 60/40. The rosin is a flux that cleans parts so solder will bond with them. Avoid solid wire (no flux core) and acid cored solder (for plumbing, too aggressive for circuits). We recommend solder that's about .031" in diameter for most through-hole components. Water-soluble flux is much more aggressive than rosin, and these residues must be cleaned. Lead-free solder melts at a higher temperature, and doesn't wet or spread out as readily, so it will be slightly harder to use.
- Needle Nose Pliers: Useful for pre-bending leads, pulling out components during de-soldering, and a lot of other things.
- Wire Strippers: Two types are shown: the yellow ones can be adjusted to strip any size wire (good for small 28-30 AWG ribbon cable wires) whereas the red handled ones have several fixed hole sizes.
- Flush Cutters: Used to trim leads close to the board after soldering .
- Clamps: Oftentimes just resting your board on a table will be fine, but the clamps are especially helpful when desoldering parts or soldering wires together.
- Solder Sucker and Solder Wick: Both are inexpensive ways to remove solder. The sucker is a spring loaded tube that vacuums out solder and the wick is a fine braid of flux coated copper that soaks up solder.
- Multimeter: Some multimeters have a continuity check that beeps if there is a complete circuit. This is very useful for making sure parts are connected or disconnected when there're a lot of wires and parts.
-Pink Erasor: (not shown) A pink eraser can be used to rub off oxides from older components and boards without risking damage to the parts.
Anyone knows how to remove some shiny black laquer often found on top of components, probably to obscure their make?
Acid core is not too aggressive for circuits, in fact for aged parts it is the preferred solution but it absolutely must be completely cleaned off later. In fact, with today's lead free soldering the industry is using more aggressive fluxes than the old rosin core was, BUT for a hobbyist using new parts I agree rosin core (or no-clean, depending on the project requirements) would be the best choice for typical soldering.
Another *tool* to have is liquid flux. Usually, people apply too much solder to a joint just trying to get enough flux on to make it flow good. There are solders with 3% flux instead of 1 or 2% that will do better or using a separate liquid flux will be the best result. Liquid flux also is very handy when using desoldering braid, allowing excess solder to be removed more quickly and gently by reducing the amount of heat applied, even if the braid had a little flux in it already.
Solder guns do not apply dangerous voltages to a circuit. Not possible. They use an isolating transformer and very low (isolated) voltage. However they are too hot running for most hobbyist electronic work and yet for some jobs, there is no way a 25-30W iron would get the job done so either a heftier iron with stouter tip or a gun would be required.
I could be wrong on this, but doesn't "acid-core" usually refer to copper pipe solder? I'm used to seeing "water-soluble" as the electronics version that is certainly safe to use if it's cleaned thoroughly.
Good stuff about using liquid flux with braid.
On solder guns, I guess the first question to answer is "How much voltage could damage a circuit?" The Weller WES51 brags about having a grounded tip with 2 mv RMS or less voltage, and also zero power switching. What kind of a circuit would be affected by, say, 5mV? 20mV? 1V? Certainly the solder guns don't have 120V at the end, but I'd bet it's in the single digits... correct me if that's off.
Even if an isolation transformer is being used, isn't there some risk that the current would go through your parts instead of the resistive heating element? The ColdHeat brand soldering iron doesn't even have a heating element, you have to complete the circuit with your component (The tip is shaped like a fork).
The aggressiveness of a flux is independent of it's form, whether paste or liquid. The two main choices for electronics are rosin-based (comes from pine sap, actually) and water-soluble (you can also call this an "acid" type). All water-soluble fluxes need to be cleaned with warm water to prevent corrosion, and are generally used for older / corroded parts. Rosin-based fluxes are generally less aggressive, which means it won't be able to remove as tough of oxides, but it will also be less likely to corrode the board later. There's a large range of rosin-based fluxes varying from "no-clean" types (although "no-clean" can apply to anything, it's more of an ad than a scientific standard) to very aggressive "activated" fluxes.
In the end, if it's water-soluble, you need to clean it, and if it's rosin-based, you need to know how aggressive it is to decide on cleaning.
Neat idea for home-brew wick.
You may also want to check out sites of manufactures like Kester.
Kester Knowedge Base
Here is some info on lead-free hand soldering. (I have difficulty with most lead free solders because it does not wet well)
Lead Free Hand Soldering (the pdf link was broken, this one seems ok)
MIT also has some info:
For folks who are starting out or who want to improve their skills, practice more. I think three weeks of class were spent soldering wires together, then having it inspected by the instructor, being rejected and starting over. That's a lot of rejection but eventually we all got it right. The best part of the class was learning what a good solder joint looks and feels like. It has helped me A LOT as an engineer.
But back to the question... what would be an ideal heat delivery and / or temperature? So we want to heat the joint without heating the component or damaging the board...
As shown in this video, using a small 25 Watt iron on a large wire results in high temperatures far away from the end of the wire (where you don't want them), since most of the heat is "sucked" away before it actually goes into heating the end.
One thought is to use an extremely hot iron all the time, so you can get the connection above the melting point of solder before the heat has a chance to spread.
But this goes against the advice from a lot of reputable sources (IPC soldering instructors) I've heard stating that lower temperatures are almost always better. In fact, most high end soldering stations can be locked to prevent operators from using too high of a temperature.
I suppose every different situation would have it's own ideal heat / temperature...
One more thought: in industry, entire boards are elevated above the solder melting point for more than a minute or two as they travel through reflow ovens.