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- Matthew Wieder
- New York, NY
- United States
Student, Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art
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Can we "engineer" our own interests through repeated exposure?
This week in my Bioelectricity class we learned about muscle contraction and how individual muscle twitches build on each other until tetanus (complete contraction of the muscle) is reached. Muscles are made up of small individual contractile units called sarcomeres which when they contract by themselves change the length of the muscle and produce a force that is negligible. However, when the sarcomeres contract in unison, the tension force produced is great enough to allow us to perform all of our normal day to day activities.
We also had a discussion in class about science education and how to get more young people excited about science -- often times in class there was a certain interaction with a role model who provided key influence either in a positive or negative direction.
This led me to think about the idea of life changing experiences. Is it ever a single experience, a specific interaction with a teacher or other role model that leads us to the career choices we make or, are we more influenced by the small events and sets of circumstances that "sum up" and provide this life altering influence?
Amy Robinson
Mar 29 2012: Great question! Engineered experiences do, I think, lead to the evolution of interest. I answer in the context of my experience with TED. It began online and evolved into attending a TEDx event. This inspired me to organize a TEDx in my city. I ended up going to the first of many TED Conferences where one small sentence changed what I realized was possible in human interactions - a small sentence which was a result of other interactions that started with bits (watching TEDTalks) that together impacted my interets so much that i drove 2 hours to that first TEDx and have now adopted "ideas worth spreading" as a daily philosophy.
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That small sentence is "So what inspires you?" and it is the first thing one stranger said to me at TEDGlobal. That just..doesn't happen. But it did. And from there something changed. Many little things changed. I began slipping little curiosities into conversations and experimenting with interactions. I began to realize that I can catalyze a conversation into a meaningful exchange if I open up and do the uncomfortable, asking questions that encourage others to go deeper than a chat - to really share who they are, what they are passionate about and why.
This generates interest engineering. Before you know it you'll be writing philosophical emails to great minds and getting thoughtful responses. You will discover new ideas as those minds link you up with people and ideas you never knew existed. If you explore ideas you love with friends old and new and particularly explore who it is with whom you interact, you will find that engineering interest is two fold and can be instigated both internally and by others. Curate conversations.
Seriously, try saying "what inspires you?" more often. Or ever. It takes guts. They'll give you a perplexed look and then you'll set fourth into a splendid conversation, bits of which may change who you become. And maybe you'll be that person who inspires interest in others. You're well on the way :)
Cal Jahan
Mar 29 2012: Small events have lesser and lesser effect on us as we grow older as we lose our physical & psychological elasticity. So while those small events may nudge us toward/away from something as children, it's the more dramatic singular interactions/events that take us in a new direction as adults.
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How to get more young people excited about science? We have to remind ourselves that all children are born researchers/experimenters. We disrupt their exploration & discovery of the world by giving them theories and continue to spoon-feed ever more complicated theories without showing the connection to the world in terms of applications. How about a "Discovery Education" model. Students come to class and have to solve a real-world problem like how much paint they have to buy to color the room or what the height of a building is (using sunlight & proportions).
If we want science, we have to let students re-discover the theories/formulas. It is absolutely possible that some of these students may develop some new formulas in the process that we haven't considered yet. As for repeated exposure, sure, as during childhood.
Mar 29 2012: Cal,
I definitely agree that there is a certain period in a persons life when they are most susceptible to influence by experiences. As we get older we become more and more set in our ways, more sure of our likes and dislikes. If we desire that more students in the United States will take interest in math and science it is imperative that we find out exactly when this critical stage in a person's life is so that we can give them the most positive experience in the sciences at this point, hopefully setting roots for a future career in this same field. The greatest way is through great teachers, who take interest in the students successes and failures causing the students to take pride in their own studies in the same way, and opening their eyes to the incredible accomplishments that have occurred in the sciences, inspiring them for the future.
As for your comments about changing the structure of current education model, your views seem to be very in line with Ken Robinson (TED talk listed in related talks above) that in some ways the current educational system squelches the creativity of students.
Cal Jahan
Mar 29 2012: Thanks Matt. Yup, I'm with Ken. We certainly are way overdue for a process of redefining education & schooling. One of these redefinition ought to be who is a (great) teacher. As you say, they play a very critical role. A teacher ought to LOVE the subject s/he is teaching & continues to be a student of that subject all his/her life. Students have to be infected with that love for long-term engagement.
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Also, there's a precedence in the history of the American culture that we can learn from & perhaps reuse. They were comic books & science fictions. I think an argument can be made that a boom in sci-fi post-depression and comic books post-WWII helped the US get a man in the moon. The connection is this, the adults who eventually got us there were able to do it because they grew a passion for science as children living through those eras. For this generation, it may not be either of those mediums but how about a science based RPG or electronic lego like http://littlebits.cc/thebits presented at this past TED?
As for hitting that critical period, I say hit'em with all we got at 9th or 10th grade as they come into high school. It gives them a bit of time to think & prepare for what to pursue at university
Mar 31 2012: I think 9th or 10th grade is too late. I am convinced that many children's aversion to mathematics begins in grade school when it is often introduced as a subject in which imagination plays no part. Mathematics as a field is a wonderland of puzzles, often with multiple valid approaches. I think if mathematics were introduced so as not to stifle childrens interest in it when they are still little, we would see very different outcomes in mathematics and in career directions.Adolescence also is a crucial period for the forming of identity, as kids try to figure out where they fit socially and within the big picture of the world. If science were represented with integrity during adolescence, by which I mean it would be taught as it is- an experimental discipline, young people would have a much more valid picture of the adventure that field actually is rather than a sterile view.In short, I think experiences of subjects in early life likely matter a great deal- not just seeing the subject but seeing it represented with integrity.
This is not simply a matter of schools. Children hear messages from adults in their lives like, "I could never do math," often delivered with a laugh. This sort of cue is potentially destructive.Apr 2 2012: Cal and Fritzie,
I completely agree with you regarding the educational system. It has become so standardized and rigid that there is no room for creativity or passion. It reminds me of "A Mathematician's Lament," a book by Paul Lockhart in which he describes the problems of the math education and curriculum (Link below). To demonstrate his point, he compares it to a fictional society in which art is taught in elementary school by memorizing colors and brush techniques, without students ever actually painting something original until college or beyond. In math, and in many other subjects, students are so bogged down with the rules and specifics of it that they never get the opportunity to experiment and enjoy the subject. If we were to present math, science, or other "boring" subjects in a fun way starting at a young age, perhaps kids would have a positive outlook reagrding them.
Link to an except of A Mathematician's Lament: http://www.maa.org/devlin/LockhartsLament.pdfApr 3 2012: Cal and Fritzie,
I also completely agree that it is necessary to create the spark for loving to learn (not just science and math) at a young age. However, I do believe that even if the spark is there, most people are forced to be "pragmatic" when it comes to their career choice. I see so many bright students, especially engineers, choose to go into non-engineering and non-research fields simply because the pay is much much better. As Fritzie said, this mentality comes from hearing so many people claim how they were never good at math or put much effort into their school work and still were able to succeed. What does it say about our culture that we reward Hollywood actors and overlook scientists completely. Entertainment is a form of art and art in itself is a beautiful creation of the human mind, but at the same time, so is science which is sadly, continuously undermined. It may be a bit off topic, but I thought I'd post a link to a poem that has spoken to me ever since I came across it in a book. Titled "Pretty Good" by Charles Osgood, I feel it completely reflects what our educational system is currently like: http://holyjoe.org/poetry/osgood1.htmMar 29 2012: littleBits TEDTalk is online! http://www.ted.com/talks/ayah_bdeir_building_blocks_that_blink_beep_and_teach.htmlMar 29 2012: I took it by the title, to relate to the psychological field, for example reciting a mantra to change behaviors, which are a result of perhaps negative events in a persons life, the most significant event is being born, where and when, and all of them have their implications for the future. When you start following a vocation, that would be a mix of chances, your past experiences, and the choices that you make. Teachers are important for guidance - as equally is the pupils temperament, everyone is different, some with a chip on their shoulder some seem to glide through life without a problem. I would say to your question, the big events ARE more important than the small, but the fable says the tortoise beats the hare.
Apr 4 2012: Amy, I liked very much your explanation. Would you please, tell me more about your experiences? Have you done this often? How? Thank you.Apr 3 2012: A month ago I addressed the school administrators on enhancing the science program in our rural area. I volunteered to make a styro model of the solar system and hange it in the halls, to develop science games and experiments for all grades, to develop vocabulary lists for all grades, to make posters of science tool and equipment, to use metrics and be conversant in metrics as well as standard measurments, to have 5th and 6th grade students mentor lower grades, and make a science club available. If we do dancing raisins for little kids we can make it fun. Fun things get taken home to brothers, sisters, mom, dad, and grandparents. Fun things invite more fun things and spreads like the common cold. My plan is to expose them to next years vocabulary and terms this year so they never struggle. As I am a volunteer and the cost of materials cheap I hope to raise the science score average considerably by making the higher grades mentors to the lower grades. Being a mentor will influence them to study the material thourghly to teach the lower grades. These kids will enter high school knowledgable in the language, methods and a natural curiousity with these tools success in math and science is within sight. I have put my proverabal money where my mouth was. It is time to stop all the talk and get into the game. We can sit the sidelines and be intellectual snobs and complain loudly as failure looms or we can get involved. The choice and the future are yours. Best of luck. Bob.Apr 1 2012: I was feeling depressed and sort of listless with no good hobby to fill my spare time with. One day I anounced to my wife, lets become baseball fans. I had no exposure to it, no history with it, but we started going to see games in Oakland and before you knew it we were both fans. So I would say , Yes.Apr 1 2012: Yes, a broad exposure to TED does this - good luckMar 29 2012: Steven Pinker's research points towards the conclusion that our career decisions are largely based on genetic influences. The twin studies show pretty significant similarities between twins who were raised in different environments.
Mar 29 2012: For those who have not heard of the twins study the website can be accessed at http://twins.wjh.harvard.edu/
While I agree with the idea that intelligence is affected by genes, and in this way will influence the opportunities available to different individuals, I feel that individual experiences in different subjects can have long lasting impressions on a particular student necessarily leading them to specific career paths. For example, a student who receives good grades in math is more likely to enjoy math and continue on with it in college and then in his/her career. Conversely, someone who may have had a bad experience in a math class, called out for a wrong answer etc. in elementary school may do everything in their power to then avoid math at all costs. So while genes may be a start point, I feel personal experiences come into play thereafter.
Mar 29 2012: The study you linked to isn't one of Pinker's studies, it's a study from a dissertation he supervised about the genetics of language. The studies he referred to in this video, http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/steven_pinker_chalks_it_up_to_the_blank_slate.html, show much more similarities between genetically identical twins. As for the math situation, those who do better on math usually get better grades. One or two classes with a hard teacher aren't going to change someone's predisposition, probably. I'm not saying that genetics is the only determinant of career path, I'm saying that it's probably the main one.
Mar 29 2012: Sorry for the wrong link, however, I think they both make the same point. As for the case of math, I am in no way discrediting the idea that genetics play a role, and who knows in most cases it may very well be that genes play the largest role. However, I have experienced at least one situation where one of the smartest students in my class, (who up to that point excelled in math as well as every other subject) had one bad interaction with a particular teacher and from then on had a negative view of their capabilities in the subject pushing their interests in a totally different direction. While this is likely the exception and not the rule, I find it intriguing that certain experiences given proper timing can have substantial effects on ones interests.Mar 29 2012: Trevor, Pinker credits chance more than genetics...
"..two different bodies of research with a similar finding. What it suggests is that children are shaped not by their parents over the long run, but in part -- only in part -- by their genes, in part by their culture -- the culture of the country at large and the children's own culture, namely their peer group -- as we heard from Jill Sobule earlier today, that's what kids care about -- and, to a very large extent, larger than most people are prepared to acknowledge, by chance: chance events in the wiring of the brain in utero; chance events as you live your life."
Matt, regarding the math analogy, I'd re-order the sequence of events that instead of good grades leading to liking math, it's more likely in majority of the cases that students like a subject so they study it hence gets good grades in that subject. But I get your point and agree that environment plays a role & we can do something about that whereas we're not ready yet to splice a math DNA into anyone :)Mar 29 2012: I have been strongly influenced in my desire to be a teacher by one I had in high school. Not so much by one particular incident as by the whole tenor of her approach to dealing with me. I was a difficult student with a troubled personal life. Her continued interest in my well being made a lasting impression on me and has lead to my going back to school at the age of 42 with the goal of becoming a high school teacher myself. This is not an easy field to enter.
The series of interactions that we had all feedback on each other to have a cumulative effect on me. And I, in turn, may end up influencing someone else one day
Mar 29 2012: Hi Jean-Baptiste,
One of the most influential teachers I ever had was one I had in high school as well, who took an interest in my future career and pushed me to apply to a summer program teaching recombinant-DNA techniques. Seeing what could be done in the lab as compared to peeked my interest and I have continued working in labs over summers ever since. I guess this could be considered a single experience that changed my thinking, however, I feel that my experience in the class taught by that teacher primed me for the experience I would have over the summer. I wonder if under different circumstances, the same summer experience would have had as great an impression.Apr 4 2012: Not an answer to give without considerable thought. And not cut and dried one way or the other. From my own experiences I can state influences of small events and/or sets of circumstances led me to "life altering experiences" exceedingly more often. I can't recall ever being 'led' or even influenced by a teacher unless a negative provocation would apply. But other role models influenced me in more profound ways, though, only when I was a young adult (late teens).Apr 4 2012: I don't think it's an either or situation. I think it's what the individual experiences and how they interpet that experience which leads the individual to make a choice. There are many factors that may or may not contribute to a decision.Apr 3 2012: I feel that we really do can engineer our own interests through repeated exposure. But then again, even just one exposure could possibly do it. Watching how the children in Greg Gage's cockroach beatbox video react is proof. They seem genuinely enthralled by his display. And I feel that this extends into this idea of engineering interest. For instance, how do people start getting into beekeeping? I can't imagine one day a person gets up and decides to do so. It takes exposure to these instances and experiences in order to gain an interest. Little things that might seem nothing at first may end up playing huge roles. It might not be as enthralling as a cockroach's electrical stimulation. But I feel that it is possible to go through life experiencing small things that wind up influencing your interests.Apr 3 2012: I think the answer to the question is both! I think single larger events in life has more impact when it comes to life altering influence. People seem to settle to the environment, that's why the summing of small events usually just gets ignored and forgotten. On the other hand, drastic events that shake up the world usually make people realize the situation they are in or the ideas that has been sitting long in their heads. The spark can also bury a seed in their mind and slowly grow into something influential enough.
Apr 3 2012: Yu-An,
I also agree that it is a combination of the two. Although the small events might not have as much of an impact immediately, because of the elongated exposure time that we have to them, they could also have the same effect in the long run. By having only one specific experience, it might be disregarded after a certain time period. However, I also see why those are important. If there is one big event in life which changes your outlook towards something, and therefore causes you to avoid/cherish it more, that could also provide a life altering influence. This seems to happen in the education system with subjects such as math and science. If a student is put down by the teacher over one subject through negative reinforcement, the student might purposely avoid and lose interest in that subject.Apr 2 2012: I have tried to engineer my interests, and have done quite a bit of experimentation which eventually totally worked. Best result: finding someone who loves whatever it is I want to love, and just talking with them about it! I would inevitably start to share their perspective. And really it stuck! I had no desire to go back to my original opinion. In that sense it was a very 'one person only, one event' type of thing.
(What didn't work: repeat exposure, talking to someone who was really good at it but didn't love it. It sometimes worked to just put a good effort into liking it. ie smiling while I was doing it, being optimistic, looking for good things etc)
Apr 3 2012: Hey Sarina
I feel the same way you do and I have had similar experiences. I have found that my interests have been reinforced by interactions with people passionate about what they do. They speak and act with such vigor. When someone believes wholeheartedly in something, it shows in their demeanor and behavior. Those are the particular things I look for in making certain decisions regarding my own interests. Just based on my own experiences, I feel that repeated exposure is the key to inspiration and to developing dreams. Repeated exposure results in big life changing decisions that drive us towards our passions. It is never one single event because according to John Locke, we are made of continuous streams of consciousness and not just one single event or body part. Though I do believe the first event that sparks our interests is important, it is just a start. We need more pushes in a certain direction to overcome any resistance and build up momentum.Apr 2 2012: I think there are two question in this conversation: Can we create interests through reinforcement? And: should we create interest through reinforcement? Matt gives the example of interacting with a teacher or role model which potentially affects our career choices. However, the other way I see this is whether it is right for a teacher or role model to spark specific interests in people?
This is a very gray area as we've all heard of tiger moms or helicopter parents who live vicariously through their children. They may have the best intentions but in the end, they may be doing more harm than good. In the end, I believe we need to teach ourselves and others to observe the intentions instead of the surface-level problem at hand. When we expose people to ideas, what are our intentions at the exposure? Do we want to force them to believe what we believe in? And as consumers of ideas, we need to understand why we are receiving information. Having a horrifying experience should not deter us from pursuing something, just like how we should not blindly believe in something just because of a positive experience.Mar 29 2012: I think so. This is something social theorists have been studying for years (Michel Foucault, Pierre Bourdieu, and Erving Goffman especially). Because we can't have interests that lie outside of our frames of reference (we can't know or want to know something we've never heard of), by expanding these frames through acquiring new knowledge, having new experiences, etc. we can "engineer" our interests. Our interests will always be bound by the knowledge we have and the importance we place on the subjects in which we're interested (cultural, educational, economic capital), but by learning new things, we learn new ways of thinking and give ourselves new tools to create new interests.
Apr 1 2012: Hey Meggan,
I think you bring up a good point. We can't know we are interested in something we don't know about, thus our interests arise in the set of things that we do know about. In the twin example, it may be true that we are genetically disposed to take greater interest in certain subjects over others. However, as Cal pointed out, the way this interest develops varies widely, and is largely related to culture.
Suppose we are never exposed to something that we should genetically be inclined towards - then we shall never find out that we had a disposition towards it to begin with.
With this information, it seems to me that we cannot engineer our own interests. If genes do carry these inclinations towards particular subjects, than I would say that we can't engineer our own interests, as our interests have already been engineered by our genes. What we can do is choose the pool of topics that we could potentially find interest in. If we inherently dislike a particular subject, I don't think we can genuinely force ourselves to like it.Mar 29 2012: This was a topic of research for the Advanced Machine Learning course taught by Dr. Anand Rangarajan at the University of Florida. We surveyed people on several factors ranging from questions borrowed from the Myers-Briggs test to what websites they frequented. We did identify trends in how people with certain preferences and personality types chose a particular career. For example, the mechanical engineers in our dataset were more likely to build their own computers than their counterparts in computer engineering or any other career. People who severely disliked being alone were less likely to be in graduate school. Our dataset was tiny and may have had a heavy sampling bias. Also, the problem we were studying was slightly different from the one in this topic. Nevertheless, it did seem like it was often a combination reasons rather than a single predominant one that separated people belonging to different careers.
Apr 3 2012: Hi Sindhura,
I definitely agree that, in most cases, it's not just one factor that pushes a person toward a certain career (or decision for that matter). Everything that happens to us, however small and insignificant, has the power to influence our thoughts and perspectives. Even when it comes to major decisions (such as choosing a career path), I don't think that there is one factor that has a stronger influence on a person's choice than all others. Ironically, if you asked someone why he or she decided to go to a given college or to choose a given career, most would give just one reason. Is this one reason the truth, though? Probably not. We might rationalize our choices in retrospect, but are we ever 100% certain that our rationalizations are the true reasons behind our actions? Essentially, our decision-making process is not too different from the process of muscle contraction in our bodies. Just as the different components of muscle have an (equally important) influence on muscle contraction, a variety of different factors have an equally important influence on every one of our decisions.
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Apr 3 2012: Ariel,
I too can relate to my experiences in my secondary education to answer this question. From when I was young, my parents pushed me toward math and science. This reflected to my experiences in the classroom, as I always favored math more than humanities.
However, my school also played a huge role in this, as they separated students based on their mathematics abilities and humanities abilities. They pushed students to take honors and AP courses. Those who weren't pushed to felt as if they weren't suited for the material, and it may have held them back from pursuing that material. I was pushed to take AP's in math and science, but not in humanities. This made me more influenced to pursue an engineering path.Apr 4 2012: It seems that a lot of what influences people's career paths is others' expectations of them. In a society in which executives are valued, it is no surprise to find many young adults interested in the business -- one's self-image is a strong factor in the selection of interests. In truth, the human psyche is very flexible and can take an interest to almost anything.Mar 29 2012: It's a nice question, and I bet the answer is 'theoretically yes', since I assume neural pathways can be 'exercised' like muscles. But in practice, the levels of exposure are very different: a particular muscle must contract thousands of times more frequently than any 'interest' could ever reoccur spontaneously, so I doubt you could develop 'interest habit' in the same way you can develop 'muscle habit'. And if someone ever tried to artificially develop 'interest habit' - say subliminally - I bet other psychological processes/defenses would kick in - boredom or frustration or the discomfort of deja vu...
Apr 3 2012: I agree with you, Fiona, that in the absence of outside factors, under laboratory conditions, so to speak, there is no way to develop "interest habit" for the reasons you describe. However, we have to ask ourselves whether this translates into how we actually live.
I think a big confounding factor, for instance, is nostalgia. For example, when I was a kid, I hated going to Hebrew school. I didn't understand what all the fuss was about, and I thought all this "God" business was bunk. As a young adult, however, I enjoy going back to synagogue and learning more about my Jewish heritage because it reminds me of an overall very happy childhood.
Was this an active "Engineering" of my interests? I certainly didn't do it on purpose. But I think through similar associations, we can do something of the sort if we really choose to.Mar 29 2012: I'm a student of behaviorism, which looks at the myriad influences on human behavior including genetics and our learned history of reinforcement and punishment. Behaviorism, in lieu of knowledge of specific genetic circumstances, would look to the history of the individual's exposure to an interest. Inevitably, both scenarios have probable influence on shaping the individual's interest, because each individual has such a unique history of reinforcement and punishment. While one individual may have initially been encouraged by a teacher, for instance, another individual may have simply learned he or she was capable in an area by task feedback and pursued subsequent and connected employment. Another individual could have had a combination of both scenarios. This is a question to be answered on an individual basis.
Apr 2 2012: I agree that the reason for a person's career choice varies based on the individual and their history of reinforcement and punishment. It could be one big event, or the sum of many events that leads to a career choice.
An example could be that Ken Jeong's, a doctor who turned comedian, life changing influence was during a high school performance where he received positive reinforcement for being funny. His interest in performing comedy never seemed to leave him even when he received his MD, as he continued to perform in comedy clubs on the side which later led to his big break in acting. The repeated exposure he received in comedy clubs was positive, which certainly encouraged him to continue with his interest. Perhaps this is a case of the life altering influence being a combination of both big events and summing small events.


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Summary: After 14 years of acne, with moderate acne and a course of accutane, clarity came after trying a combination of herbs which cleared her up within a month.
User: LivesInABox
Title: Very very very nearly clear!!!!! Finally!!!!, And the flowers are still standing...
Summary: After 19 years of acne, he finally figured out his triggers, including no grains and dairy. Detailed wth a summary of supplements and dietary tips.
User: cassiopeia
Title: (no title, individual post)
Summary: After Accutane, the acne eventually came back. A combination of Fish Oil and topicals such as Paula's Choice products, AHA, and Glycolic facials kept her clear.
User: TheX
Title: i've gotten clear from coconut oil, yes, my acne was related to candida.
Summary: Finally found his acne was related to candida. By taking coconut oil, he cleared his acne.
User: confessions
Title: I beg all of you to try Zinc + Chromium
Summary: After adding in zinc and chromium to his diet, within two weeks he became completely clear. At one point and time this had also worked for Dan here:
User: KancerStick
Title: Im clear, and it sure as hell aint from benzoyl peroxide., come see how i did it without BP
Summary: With a strict diet, supplementation, and exercise regimen along with good personal hygene and general tips, his face cleared up. Included is a detailed regimen of what to do.
User: sadcaroline
Title: What has cleared me 99% in one week, anyone with acne,read! no pills/creams
Summary: She had suffered for acne for 10 years, while being on antibiotics for about that length of time. She went from white heads, to cystic acne. she finally found complete relief by not drinking water 2 hours before, during, or 2 hours after so she can effectively break down the food.
User: dudeman
Title: Almost clear
Summary: After 7 years of acne, his acne subsided with a dietary organic regimen of beating acne.
User: Mr.Envious
Title: I am clear, for the last 3 weeks
Summary: After going vegan, and avoiding grains and junk food his acne completely disappeared
User: h20
Title: Whats keeping me clear, maybe 2-3 small pimples a week now..
Summary: After 8 years of acne, he has finally maintained relatively clear skin. After adding in fish oil, acv, and cutting out grains, dairy, saturated fat, and refined sugar, his acne is now manageable.
Posted 03 October 2007 - 07:29 AM
Me too.
And for the record, my diet is not strict at all. I just do fewer bad things and more good things. I just want to mention that not everyone needs to eliminate everything, so don't be afraid to try diet changes. I don't miss anything I've given up or limited. My log with more details.
Here's my diet summed up in one sentence: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements. That describes most meals and most days. I splurge a few times a week on favorite foods. The only thing I'm strict about is never drinking sugar. And avoiding the allergen that leads to cysts the next day, of course.
Also, I think you might want to find some Sweetjade threads, although i don't think she ever posted a 'here's what cleared me, you must try it' thread, just research.
Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.
[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.
Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.
Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!
For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see "Advertising/soliciting", "Linking" and "Signatures")*
When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!
Posted 03 October 2007 - 09:43 AM
Fish Oil 2.5g/day
Paula's Choice Products - cleanser, toner, and SPF 15 moisturizer, and specifically Paula's BHA 2% at night and Alpha Hydrox brand AHA 12% during the day.
Glycolic facials every 6 weeks.
I tried the diet stuff, but my life is too crazy to stick with it right now. And my skin is 99% clear. I get the occasional whitehead now and then, usually right after I finish my period (I am on the Pill so i think the withdrawal from the hormones might be why) but that's about it.
I'm clear!
Although it should be noted, I did a round of Accutane 5 years ago and DID try every available prescription topical and pill available before then. Accutane cleared me for about 3 years, but my acne came back. Not cystic like before, but still pretty bad. Nonetheless, this is the regimen that has helped since then!
Regimen as of 07.16.2009:
AM: Paula's Choice One-Step Cleanser, Paula's BHA lotion, Paula's mattifying lotion with SPF 15
PM: Full DKR
Results: Clear skin!!! with some leftover blackheads, scarring and hyperpigmentation, but still ... clear skin!!
Posted 03 October 2007 - 01:57 PM
If you are clear and did not make a thread on it, just write your regimen here and I will link to the individual post that you wrote in here, so it will in essence be the same in terms of format without making a thread (if you don't want to).
Or if you know anyone that is clear, you can write their regimen here on their behalf and I can write their username under 'user' but beside it 'written by __' which would you be you.
Posted 03 October 2007 - 02:17 PM
If you are clear and did not make a thread on it, just write your regimen here and I will link to the individual post that you wrote in here, so it will in essence be the same in terms of format without making a thread (if you don't want to).
Or if you know anyone that is clear, you can write their regimen here on their behalf and I can write their username under 'user' but beside it 'written by __' which would you be you.
don't forget to include this guy: http://www.acne.org/...p;#entry1570320
I think his name is BOB. alot of things that I started doing is because of him and mr. romeo:)
Posted 06 October 2007 - 10:22 AM
But what are these ideas founded on? Do they work in the real world? Do these ideas actually lead to clear skin? How can you tell who is bullshitting you and who is actually trying to help you?
In the real world, there are people who have achieved clear skin using holistic methods and there are people who haven't. Those who haven't simply are not doing the right things, and those who have are.
So doesn't it make sense to learn from those who have achieved clear skin? And specifically, to learn from those who have clear proof in pictures that their skin is either completely clear or almost completely clear?
I think so and that is why I made this thread. This thread will be a compilation of people who have:
- Posted clear pictures that their skin is either 100% clear or very close to it.
- Achieved those results using mainly holistic methods. If you have recently used Accutane, antibiotics or lots of topicals then you do not qualify.
If you would like your pictures and your regimen to appear below, simply reply to this thread and I will add them. If you know of any other people who have posted their pictures and their regimen and they qualify, please reply with their info and I will add them too. Also if you are a user below and would like me to modify your information, just let me know. Thanks!
(special thanks to NdnRomeo for this thread idea, this is a lot like his thread except you must have pictures to qualify for this one)
And on to the people who have achieved very clear skin using holistic methods:
Latest addition:
User: DejaClaireVoyant
Pictures and Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...er-t202660.html
User: 1ycon
Pictures and Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...nc-t201270.html
User: ambigram
Pictures: http://www.acne.org/...p...&user=26599
Regimen: The Blood Type Diet + http://www.acne.org/...p...t&p=2219420
User: monica82
Pictures and Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...p...t&p=2221921
User: jodiat
Pictures: http://www.acne.org/...p...&album=6456
In a nut shell I did 3 bowel detoxes. 1 liver detox. Each year I do a demanding bowel detox.
Bowel Supplements
-Aloe Vera - Probiotics - L-Glutamine - Ginger
- 2 litres of water
- Rooibos Tea, Pepper mint and chamomile Teas
- 6 Lemons - Fiber supplement - Kiwis
- Omega 3,6,9 - Coconut oil - Kefier - 2 Egg yokes - Whey Isolate
- Unlimited Salad and Vegtables
- Some grains and potatoes
- Vitamin A, B, C, D, E (not a multi vitamin)
- Zinc - Magnesium - Selenium - ACV - Flax seed lignans - MSM
- Weightlift - Run - Meditation - Epsom Salt Baths - 8 Hours sleep
I stick to this 90% of the time and it always keeps me clear, the 10% is for living lol.
User: Kodi
Pictures and Regimen:: http://www.acne.org/...in-t187438.html
User: THEREALCURE
Pictures: http://img142.images...cture037ns3.jpg, http://www.myspace.com/thatboywallyb21
Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...amp;pid=1947444
User: LiliVG
Pictures: http://www.acne.org/...p...t&p=2138868
- Avoiding fructose as much as possible! Including HFCS, and sugars that contain fructose, like sucrose (cane sugar) and honey. Also HFCS is in a LOT of foods, so you'll need to become an avid label reader, but I'm sure many of you already are.
- Avoiding sweet fruits for now so my liver can recover.
- My diet is primarily a whole food diet, so it's mostly meat and vegetables. I eat rice and potatoes mostly for starch. Avoiding potentially inflammatory foods like sugar, the main allergenic foods (dairy, wheat, citrus, nuts, etc) and hydrogenated oils. Butter is organic to avoid fat soluble toxins, and all vegetable oils are all organic and manually pressed, not chemically extracted with hexane.
- 2000mg/day supplement of Taurine
- a b-complex 25 supplement (Taurine needs vitamin b-6 to work properly, and vitamin b-6 needs all the others b-vitamins to work properly. That's also why taking megadoses of single b-vitamins causes problems because it causes deficiencies in all the other b-vitamins, so make sure it has all the b vitamins in balanced amounts, but not too high levels.)
- 100mg b-2
User: Believe
Pictures: http://www.acne.org/...p...i&img=26411
No sugar, dairy produce from cows, gluten, eggs
No supplements besides RxOmega 3
Limit the intake of heated foods
Two lemons and a grapefruit for breakfast
Eat papaya and pineapple whenever I can
Only Olive oil and pure ACV for face & body, lasts forever and costs nothing
Liver flushing whenever I have the time, completed 4 flushes so far
User: misterhealthman
Pictures and Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...in-t177890.html
User: Danny©
Pictures: http://i227.photobuc...nny9C1/0037.jpg, http://i227.photobuc...ny9C1/00036.jpg
Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...p...t&p=2094964
User: TheX
Pictures and Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...ry-t174792.html
User: J_O_Z_E_F_F
Pictures and Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...p...&pid=953235
User: Antony
Pictures (amazingly dramatic before and after): http://www.acne.org/...p...ost&id=1053
Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...showtopic=47719
User: notadoctor
Pictures (very close to completely clear): http://www.acne.org/...p;#entry2037637
Regimen: Paleo diet (no grains, dairy or legumes)
User: LivesInABox
Pictures (great before and after, very impressive): http://www.acne.org/...p...&album=6670
Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...p;#entry2050662
User: Glein
Pictures (more amazing before and after pics): http://www.acne.org/...p...&album=6892
Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...howtopic=182773
User: sicr2000
Pictures (lots of great before and after pics, very good improvement): http://www.acne.org/...p...&album=5823
Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...p;#entry1710298
User: Healthoid (that's me hehe )
Pictures: http://www.acne.org/...p...&user=24582
Regimen: http://www.acne.org/...p;#entry1928251
My dream would be for these successes to help other people achieve clear skin as well, until every single user on this forum will be included in this thread!
Good luck everyone and I hope this helps you.
Posted 13 October 2007 - 08:32 AM
User: SCAR
Title: i stopped it. after 10 years, i stopped acne from coming, seriously
Summary: After 10 years worth of acne, at 24 he stopped acne because he realized the root of his problem to be diet. He has tried antibiotics, creams, and most of what everyone has before. Now he avoids dairy, processed carbs, and many sauces that contain dairy etc. Lost acne, and lost weight.
Posted 18 October 2007 - 12:21 AM
Sometimes I think women battle acne for longer periods of time then men.
But it's more sporadic, at least every woman I've ever known. clear. breakout. clear. breakout.
It's not constant, it kind of ebbs and flows. which makes it more frustrating, when you've had clear skin one month and massive pimples the next...
I think alot of women just don't let their picture be taken if they feel they look bad, plain and simple. I know I avoid cameras and even going to the store without makeup on...
I did take some before pics specifically for this site, they look horrible *shrug* but who care as long as I can eventually make my skin look great. Plus I want the visual satisfaction of beating the acne beast...So I can say, look at what I did, I am all powerful!! Really though, our skin can change so slowly that we don't even realize how far we have come... I will be keeping a journal so I don't lose hope and can see that slowly but SURELY I am making progress. Or so I hope!
Posted 09 November 2007 - 10:20 AM
paleo helps a lot with preventing the blockage of pores (by promoting the natural shedding of the skin, i think).
Posted 01 January 2008 - 11:36 AM
this has had a great effect on my skin. i have one bad meal a week which is usually in the form of a chinese takeaway. i make sure i do some yoga afterwards to try aid the digestion as well as eat blueberries and drinking green tea.
my regime which has seemed to worked for the last 2 months has been drinking plenty of water, green tea, eating brazil nuts, lots of fish, vegetables and fruit. (pretty much a low GI diet!) pretty obvious but my skin feels so much better now i am not slapping on differin every night. it also is nice to not have to carry all the medications about with me when i stay with friends etc.
i simply only use warm water on my face followed by a splash of cold water to close the pours and i will very occassionally open up a green tea bag whack it in some water and use it as a toner.
for me the original sense of not thinking acne wasn't related to acne was due to my derm telling me so and also failing in my previous diet. i would eat healthy but in the afternoon have a coca cola or some maryland biscuits. its ridiculous now thinking about it that i did not try living healthier earlier in my life. i still get the occassional spot but now they are whiteheads and not the nodule things i used to get!
anyway i hope i have not babbled on- i just wanted to say how a new way of living has helped my face- i understand that for others their acne may be unrelated and they find this post highly frustrating and for that i'm sorry!
the only fear i have of posting on these boards is the ammount of abuse there seems to be on it. people replying sarcastically to posts or just telling people that certaing things are a 'cure' or dont work etc. i'm not like that i just am writing my experience.
happy new year
~~~~~~~My Food Plan~~~~~~~~~-
Lots of -
vegetables/ fruit / brazil nuts/ sweet potatoes/ pumpkin seeds/ green tea / water/ fish
every morning i have a warm lemon water and an actimel about half an hour later
- I still eat meat and will treat myself to one 'naughty meal' a week usually in the form of chinese food!
- I only eat low gi pasta a couple of days a week and occasionally low gi soya and linseed oil bread. i eat lots of fish and occassionally some eggs too.
its nice not to be putting stuff on my face every night and not having to take pills.
oh i go on a walk every day and do yoga too- i think the stretching aids digestion which i feel is the main reason behind my acne!
my breakouts i believe are usually due to eating too many banana's/ roast potatoes/ high gi white pasta/ and alcohol/ fizzy drinks!
it's been two months and is going great - touch wood obviously!
Posted 02 January 2008 - 08:51 AM
Posted 10 January 2008 - 02:52 PM
Posted 01 February 2008 - 08:33 AM
The first is from 1/29 http://img.photobuck...ts/IMG_0372.jpg (most of the noticable reds were nodular and painful) and second from this morning 2/1 http://img.photobuck...ts/IMG_0388.jpg (you can see a huge improvement in the color of the acne, it totally calmed down and they aren't cystic AT ALL now.
i did the Nicholas Perricone three day challenge
i did the following for 3 days straight and added supplements (fish oil, calcium magnesium zinc tablet, evening primrose oil, b6, b12, vitamin c with rose hips, and vitex) i didn't really wash my face- rinsed with water and then would add DMAE (about 10 drops) to a moisturizer and put that on my face- moisturizer being Jojoba oil.
the order written is the way i chronologically ate everything:
upon wake, 8oz of water
2 egg omelet
1/2cup Oatmeal not instant
3inch slice of cantaloupe (or 1/4cup of blueberries)
8oz spring water with lemon (almost always had more)
Green or black tea
4oz grilled alaskan salmon (gilled with olive oil and fresh squeezed lemon)
2 cups of kale (it called for romaine) dressed with olive oil and lemon juice to taste
2inch slice of cantaloupe
more and more water
with yogurt
(i was getting a sweet tooth by 3rd day and had apple with sunflower seed butter)
water water water
4oz grilled alaskan salmon (gilled with olive oil and fresh squeezed lemon)
steamed vegetables (i mainly ate a frozen pack of broccoli, green beans, red bell peppers)
2 inch slice of cantaloupe
water water water
i would just do more veggies, cantaloupe, and apple etc more water...
i ran out of money to buy groceries hahaa... i get paid today.
I was so pleased and excited for my rapid results 3 DAYS dudes!
Posted 27 February 2008 - 03:25 PM
Posted 28 February 2008 - 07:28 PM
But if anyone wants to try to believe me, I will say that FOR ME (With bold letters), eating 4-5 fruits a day, drinking 8 glasses of water, and sleeping good improved my acne... But that's just me...
I think it also improved my whole body too... After eating like this, 3 days later I noticed I could do more reps in my workout... Like I literally got stronger... Idk... Maybe I was just so excited by my skin I could do more... Ha.
But my body feels better too for real. And I can do everything better. =)
But I know how much acne sucks. I signed up so I can attempt to help by sharing what has worked for me and hope it works for someone else...
If anyone wants to ask me questions, they can PM. Just remember everyone's skin is different. But I'm willing to share what has worked for me. =) I hope it works for you guys. =)
Posted 10 March 2008 - 08:04 PM
First, although we may take organic/bio-active/bio-dynamic/natural supplementations, plant life, mushrooms, etc and even consume all organic foods/beverages, it's important to take note of where they come from, how the ingredients are extracted, packaged, and level of care taken after it arrives home with you. These areas contribute directly to the optimal functionality of your body. For example, was the ingredient extracted through alcohol or glycerin, oxygenation; did it come from a local farmer (the less time from the ground to the plate, the more nutrients) or a warehouse in California awaiting delivery to Texas; when you got your organic food home, did you rinse it with tap water or slow-steep pi (living water) water, etc? As a side bar, if it is the former, then I suggest you read the Associated Press's (March 10, 2008) release about how our drinking water has traces of drugs in them. (but we already knew this, right?!) In addition, if you want to talk toxic; buy a kit and check your drinking water, how did it work out for yah?! This lends itself to a whole host of problems and acne being the least of your worries.
In addition, most people don't drink the right amount of (pi) water each day. So guess what, your cells can't do its job and flush away the toxins. You can drink two gallons of tap water each day and it won't do anything but fill your body with toxins. Ok two more things, are you using a shower filter? The pores open up like a mouth during the shower so all of those "drinking water" toxins are now in your body via your open pores...uh, can this contribute to acne, yes! Whatcha washing your dishes with?!
But I digress. What people don't realize, that providing your body with "proper" nutrition is the second step. The first is spirituality. I know that I may lose some people here but consider this. First, I am not talking about organized religion, though some equate it. It can be any relationship with anything we find an unconditional loving connection. It can be, Jesus, God, Allah, Rah, Buddha, Universe, Gaea, Rocks, grass, whatever, it doesn't matter just that connection. I don't know about you but when I am loved (always) then I am happy. When you are happy, it resonates and has the power to set up healing of the body. By contrast, when we are stressed--you know the saying-- it kills! When the body is under stress, it causes it to go into overdrive depleting needed nutrients to survive/thrive, e.g. B-vitamins, calcium/magnesium, potassium, creation of free radicals from over oxygenation of the body, etc. Again, I don't know about you but when I am stressed, my body is fatigue, acne is having a family reunion on my face and body, easily get sick, not sleeping (with doesn't allow the body to naturally detox itself), etc. So, it no wonder that spiritual deficiency, contributes to dis-ease and illness--including acne. So, your may be saying, I do have spirituality on lock! Well one of the biggest things people over-look is a four letter word; FEAR! Yes, fear! Fear has many manifestations, and contributes GREATLY to dis-ease and illness (including acne). Don't think so?! One of the manifestations of fear is stress.
You mental health is crucial as well because your mind is partly controlled by your emotions. If you emotions are wrought, then what comes up may be fear, worrying, wonderment, etc and this produces...Stress. And here we find the cycle has started! It's all connected!
I've work in an organic health food store in particular in the supplement and health and beauty department (not Whole Foods!) and am constantly--sometimes against my will--receiving product trainings...three-times a month to be exact. After the first few, you can start to discern good versus cheap ingredients. (You'd be surprised who the cheapskates are). In addition, assisting hundreds of akin customers each day, including researching to keep up, will up your knowledge instantly.
I guess I am saying that acne is more than just taking supplements, slapping on products, and eating organic foods. There are other things that needs to be examined and adapted not just to combat acne but for optimal health, well being, and happiness.
Posted 13 March 2008 - 10:38 AM
I've had success with the alkaline diet and liver cleanses, but now I know they worked because I ate less meat while doing them. The acne would always return and my cheeks would be full of them. Now that I've become a vegetarian again, my acne has healed and my skin tone is looking very good! My skin is smooth with only red marks left after the bad acne I used to have. I never suspected meat to be the reason, but now I think there might be some truth to the blood type diet.
My diet is lots of vegetables, fruit and fat. I also eat some dairy.
I also make sure I go to bed and get up at the same time, every day of the week.
Posted 12 March 2009 - 07:39 PM
Be sure to go to page 10 where he's written a good summary of tons of research.
Holistically Clear Skin Club - with many members
Some people who've recently become and remained clear for over 30 days after diet changes:
A 19 year old who has cleared his skin with fairly moderate diet changes.
Here's someone announcing 30 days without acne after diet and lifestyle changes.
And another:
Two months for this one:
Edited by alternativista, 04 September 2009 - 11:07 AM.
Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.
[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.
Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.
Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!
For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see "Advertising/soliciting", "Linking" and "Signatures")*
When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!
Posted 27 March 2009 - 12:24 PM
User: Brenton B
Title: "Diet isn't related to acne..." Bullcrap! Here is my proof!
Summary: After suffering from severe cystic acne for nearly twelve years, he was able to overcome his acne using a dairy/gluten free, high fat and low carb diet consisting of mostly organic foods. Includes before and after photos along with detailed regimen.
you requested that i posted my success story, so here it is. also, you can change the summary if you'd like.
Posted 08 May 2009 - 10:31 AM
Bioidentical Hormone Replacement Therapy Mainly in the form of oral micronized progesterone. I also used transdermal bi-est for the first six months. This approach has helped me to address a severe underlying hormonal imbalance/deficiency.
Gluten-free, Modified Paleo Diet Details in my sig. Giving up gluten also allowed me to stop coming down with colds and flus every 2-3 months. I haven't been sick in a year and a half! I eventually realized that I needed to give up virtually ALL grains, starches, and yeasts -- not just wheat products. Once I did that, my remaining (very stubborn) non-inflamed small acne FINALLY cleared.
Supplements Heavy-duty probiotics such as Bio-K and Udo's Bifido-Plus; Jarrow Formulas Vitamin D3; High-potency Rainbow Light Women's Answer food-based multi; Carlson's Fish Oil.
That's basically it. I still have a long way to go with my healing and detox, but my skin is clear and I feel so much better than I did one year ago.
Aspirin mask
Paula's Choice 8% AHA Gel (glycolic acid)
Paleo-inspired diet with a good bit of slacking. Very little dairy. NO GRAINS except for rice and corn. Absolutely no gluten! Lots of green vegetable juice.
Bioidentical progesterone - 75 mg oral micronized, once daily (prescription).
Been slacking on my other supps lately but I should be taking probiotics, Vitamin D, magnesium (transdermal), and iodine.
Mostly clear with a great, lasting improvement in my overall health and wellbeing. My skin still gets a bit congested when I'm not careful with my diet, but I don't have active acne anymore. I'm now addressing red marks, some minor scarring, and overall skin texture.
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The Canberra Royals Rugby Union Football Club was last night named 'Canberra Good Sports Club of the Year' at the annual ACT Sport & Recreation Thanks Awards.
The 'Canberra Good Sports Club of the Year' award celebrates the Canberra Royals for promoting the values of the Australian Drug Foundation's Good Sports program.
The Good Sports program works with clubs to help them provide safe and healthy environments through the responsible management of alcohol.
Good Sports works to reduce alcohol-related harms both within the community sporting clubs and wider community. More than 6000 clubs are involved with the program around Australia.
The Australian Drug Foundation's Head of Community Programs, Maree Sidey, said the Awards recognise the sports clubs around Australia who are providing safe and healthy places for families to enjoy sport.
"As the Good Sports Regional Club of the Year, the Canberra Royals is showing the wider community that the club places the utmost importance on the health and wellbeing of their players, members and spectators," Maree said.
Bill Swain, Canberra Royals Club Manager said that they were thrilled to be recognised for the impact they've made since joining Good Sports.
"Our involvement with the Good Sports program in 2013 has given us the ability to match our on-field performances - in which we made the ACT First Grade Grand Final for the first time in 12 years - with the same level of high performance and management with our off-field and social events.
"It has truly been a memorable season for the Canberra Royals both on and off the field and hopefully the beginning of a new successful era for our proud club."
Prior to their involvement with Good Sports, the club recognised that they needed help to better manage alcohol.
Since joining the program the Canberra Royals have worked to make their club safer and healthier by training more staff in Responsible Service of Alcohol, providing ways for members to get home safely including taxi and bus services, by educating players about alcohol harms, and constantly reinforcing the Good Sports message.
Since taking on these measures, the club says that there has been a steady change in the way people celebrate at the clubhouse – with more people feeling welcome due to less boozy behavior of a small few.
The club has attracted more members as a result and incidents of poor drinking behavior has dropped. Most significantly for the club, sponsorship has increased as local businesses see them as a great club to be associated with.
The club will now go into the running for the national Good Sports awards, to be announced in November.
For more information about the Good Sports program, visit goodsports.com.au or find us on Facebook.com/GoodSportsClubs
Good Sports is supported by the ACT Government under the ACT Health Promotion Grants Program.
The 2013 Thanks Awards were held on Wednesday 16 October at the National Press Club. This year 36 individuals were recognised for their continued dedication to their chosen sporting clubs and organisation. This year the Centenary Club of the Month and Club of the Year awards as well as the Good Sports Award were also presented.


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Clinical Information Discusses physiology, pathophysiology, and general clinical aspects, as they relate to a laboratory test
Whipple disease is a chronic, systemic illness that in the majority of cases involves the small intestine and its lymphatic drainage. The disease primarily affects middle-aged individuals, with a peak incidence in the third and fourth decades. Clinical findings may include malabsorption, chronic diarrhea, abdominal pain, arthralgia, fever, and central nervous system symptoms.
Pathologic changes associated with Whipple disease are distinctive, with diagnosis dependent on histologic examination of biopsy specimens from involved tissues. Electron microscopic or special high-resolution light microscopic examination of the lamina propria of the small intestine of patients with untreated Whipple disease reveals many rod-shaped bacillary organisms. These tiny bacilli, referred to as Whipple bacilli, measure about 0.25 micrometer long and are seen as periodic acid-Schiff-positive granules within macrophages. These inclusions represent fragments of the cell walls from degenerating bacilli.
Culture of Whipple bacilli from biopsy material is laborious and the organism is very slow growing. Definitive identification of the Whipple associated bacillus has been difficult because of these limitations. Recently, molecular techniques using PCR and nucleotide sequencing allowed classification of this bacillus as an actinomycete not closely related to any other known species, which has been named Tropheryma whipplei.
Useful For Suggests clinical disorders or settings where the test may be helpful
An aid in diagnosis of Whipple disease, especially for identifying inconclusive or suspicious cases
Interpretation Provides information to assist in interpretation of the test results
A positive result strongly suggests a diagnosis of Whipple disease.
A negative result does not negate the presence of the organism or active disease, as false-negative results may occur due to inhibition of PCR, sequence variability underlying the primers and/or probes, or the presence of Tropheryma whipplei in quantities less than the limit of detection of the assay.
Cautions Discusses conditions that may cause diagnostic confusion, including improper specimen collection and handling, inappropriate test selection, and interfering substances
Test results should be used as an aid in diagnosis and not be considered diagnostic in themselves. The single assay should not be used as the only criteria to form a clinical conclusion, but results should be correlated with patient symptoms and clinical presentation. A negative result does not negate the presence of the organism or active disease.
Reference Values Describes reference intervals and additional information for interpretation of test results. May include intervals based on age and sex when appropriate. Intervals are Mayo-derived, unless otherwise designated. If an interpretive report is provided, the reference value field will state this.
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1. Ramzan NN, Loftus E Jr, Burgart LJ, et al: Diagnosis and monitoring of Whipple disease by polymerase chain reaction. Ann Intern Med 1997;126:520-527
2. Morgenegg S, Dutly F, Altwegg M: Cloning and sequencing of a part of the heat shock protein 65 gene (hsp65) of "Tropheryma whippleii " and its use for detection of "T. whipplei" in clinical specimens by PCR. J Clin Microbiol 2000;38:2248-2253
3. Sloan LM, Rosenblatt JE, Cockerill FR 3rd: Detection of Tropheryma whipplei DNA in clinical specimens by LightCycler real-time PCR. J Clin Microobiol 2005;43:3516-3518
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I watched a guy from Europe weld a pipe root pass with some metal-core(short circuit MIG transfer) a few weeks ago. He ran it using 1 hand, downhill, with the MIG gun nozzle riding the bevel. It was very similar to walking a TIG torch. Works good until spatter builds up to the point that the tip is shorted to the nozzle, at which point the nozzle welds itself to the joint....
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I've tried it on flat groove welds with FCAW.
It's like the reverse of walking the cup you have to drag it. never tried it on the cap just for fill. Dont know if I'd do it on critical work - might get lack fusion depending on the groove profile.Bobcat 225
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Not such a good technic with flux or metal core because you can push or pull slag into the weld, so keep moving, pulling all the way.
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It sounds like a good idea to me except if you're expecting the whole team to do it Austin has already said he won't shave his head again. Why? He's still waiting for it to grow back after the last time he did it.Originally Posted by Roaming Gnome
In fact the more I think about it the more I think not many of the guys would agree to do it.
No one seemed to complain about JONeal prior to our current streak of suckage. Why complain about him now?
Just because we are losing now?
He maybe a small part of the problem....but I think that jettisoning the players that most of us wouldn't mind seeing gone ( SJax and Tinsley ) would be a good start.
Trading JONeal should only happen IF a reasonable deal can be had ( where we don't have to give up Granger and/or Harrison ) for a player of equal or greater value ( as in KG ) or if Bird/Walsh want to essentially rip out the foundation of the Pacers....meaning we are headed back to lottery land.
Trading JONeal is the "nuclear" option....which I don't think we need to do.
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The question has always been why that was and whether it was the player or the system.
JO without Artest has left JO exposed as a paper tiger in the system the Pacers keep running or are forced to run. Artest wasn't the complimentary player to JO, JO was the complimentary player to Artest.
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lol PG totally soft on that...way to be
This team that has shown up lately is a joke and a pretender.
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Was hoping the Orlando game was the beginning of a wake up call but guess not ugh
We need the All-Star Break in a bad way.
Go home Paul. You're drunk. Dunk his *** ffs.
If the All-Star voting was just a couple weeks longer, PG could have played his way out of it.
He keeps on jacking them up doesn't he?
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How the hell are we still in this game.
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I'm pissed we're still in this. Gives me a sense of false hope lol
Not much you can do when you just can't buy a basket for your life. Our defense hasn't been too bad.
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