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Reply #140 on:
August 17, 2005, 10:10:24 AM »
NO image could contain that color. Even if it could, we could see a tiny fraction of those colors (we cant even see anything close to 16 million color simultaneously). This is all math being used to define a possible but unfortunately impossible human experience. Dont forget, theres math that says a bumblebee cant fly.
I wouldn't argue with that. I suspect many of our images have no more than a few thousand discrete colors. But whether an image has 50 colors or 1,000, I don't believe the number of colors increases by moving to a larger color space.
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Reply #141 on:
August 05, 2005, 01:47:54 PM »
There is nothing to debate here. Its a closed question. The J. Daalder article is air tight. To whit:
..if your original capture does not contain tones out of the gamut of AdobeRGB, then there is no point whatsoever (and quite a few negatives) in using ProPhoto as your color space unless you plan to artificially manipulate the saturation of your image to a considerable degree.
Ill go one step further, and I know nothing about color management. You dont have to be a color scientist to understand this: If you are working in a color space you cant print, you are doing a blind edit. Thats a fact on its face. The rest is a matter of degree. Working in ProPhoto it's a large degree.
Whats amusing are those who say they are preserving colors by working in ProPhoto even though they know they cant print the colors they are preserving. This from the folks who say calibrate your monitor and work in a color managed environment so what you see is what you get. Well if youre working in a color space thats five times the size of your print space, then what you see is what you see. And any relationship between what you see and your print is good fortune.
It boggles. But if it makes you feel good, I say,
Life is too short. Where's Didger when you need him? I miss him.
Working in 16 bit is an entirely separate issue.
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Reply #142 on:
August 05, 2005, 04:04:36 PM »
There is nothing said thus far to refute the premise of Jeremy Daalder's article. This is not about opinion. Its about numbers. Predictable, deterministic math. It all boils down to a squirt of ink determined by a number. Its as simple as that.
Im not saying dont use PhoPhoto. Use it. Have a ball. I am saying that when your working space is far greater than your printer/paper space you are knowingly introducing an unnecessary unknown. Which adds mystery to the output but nothing else of value.
If some one can explain how a color outside the print space is of some value during editing, Ill read it. But at the moment, its mere religion.
Which squirt of ink and when?
The reason the working space is so much wider than the output space in many areas is it has to be. Read what Bruce wrote so clearly.
There are NO perfect working space or wed only have one.
Trying to make a perfect fit of working space to output space (even if you only defined one printer) would be nearly impossible. Working spaces are based on synthetic color spaces that mimic displays more or less. Output devices have vastly different shaped gamuts. So for those that want to fit as much if not all the output space in the working space, you need a pretty big honking working space. So some colors WILL fall outside output gamut. Thats just a fact of life. Youre trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. The square hole has to be big enough to fit the round peg and yes, there are areas as a result that fall way outside the round peg. And thats a problem why?
Of all the well known and designed wide gamut RGB working spaces, ProPhoto RGB has proven over the years to handle the task of a wide gamut working space. You either want to contain all the colors you capture (and maybe, hopefully reproduce them) or you dont. Its pretty darn easy to see if, when youre in ACR, the scene falls within or outside of a working space like Adobe RGB (1998). IF you care about those colors, youre far better off using a big honking space like ProPhoto RGB or you decide you dont care about those colors. Use sRGB, use ColorMatch RGB, use whatever.
Theres far less problems gathering the color you captured in high bit in a big space than tossing the colors for a smaller space for lots of users (who care about getting all the colors they could capture). Again, you either care or you dont. If you care, your only real option is to use a big honking color space.
There is no unnecessary unknown. There IS a big unnecessary unknown when you clip colors, namely what colors did I just throw away and what device (and when) could I have used them. Once gone, they are gone forever. I dont see that as being a compelling reason to use a smaller working space but maybe you do.
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Reply #143 on:
August 05, 2005, 07:51:32 PM »
So very well said -- my compliments
I can only add emphasis to your gamut comments on the new K3 (4800) inks versus the older Ultrachrome (4000) inks.
That and the fact that my monitor is clearly the limiting factor in my digital imaging workflow at present.
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August 07, 2005, 12:32:29 PM »
The Color Range tool offers an option to select Out Of Gamut colors. Which target profile does it refer to? It seems that the selection differs considerably from the SoftProof / out-of-gamut marks.
The Out of Gamut warnings and Color Range selections refer to whatever is the current soft proof set up. If there is no soft proof set up on, then it's the "default" set up which, unless changed, is your current CMYK profile. You can change the default by, with no image open, changing your soft proof setup to something else, such as your main Epson profile, a different CMYK, etc.
After youve processed a file through Camera Raw (ProPhotoRGB, 16 bit), do you instantly enable the SoftProof to the printer/media profile, or is there an editing step in-between based on normal presentation on screen?
Depends-if I'm planing of taking the image directly to print, then I turn on softproofing first thing. All of my post Camera Raw tone & color corrections need to be done in "light" of the final print output. I usually turn off softproofing when just retouching.
However, if the plan is to have my converted raw file opened as a PP RGB and my plan is to just produce a master file for later use in either print, web ot whatever, then I just work along with softproofing off. Later, if I need to make a print, I turn softproofing on for checking before print.
Also, and this may surprise some, I'll also use softproofing when trying to determine optimal image sharpening-since the nature of the reduced dynamic range of the final print can have an effect on the required sharpening. Note: PhotoKit Sharpener already takes the final output into consideration when you use the Output Sharpening. That's a "product feature" we built in. But I will use softproofing to view the image for the purpose of creative sharpening.
Softproofing is _NOT_ just "all about color" it's all about what the image will look like when ink hits paper...the more you can do to prepare the image for the appearence of the image on paper, the less time you'll spend tweaking print setting, pritning a test and further tweaking.
Ink and paper are expensive enough that you can save both considerable time and money by accurate predictive image eval prior to printing. There really shouldn't be a lot of surprises when the print comes out of the printer, regardless of the working space you choose.
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Reply #145 on:
August 07, 2005, 06:07:01 PM »
Here is what Relative Colorimetric rendering intent does, according to "Real World Color Management" 2003 Edition page 89:
".......It maps white in the source to white in the destination, so that white on output is the white of the paper rather than the white of the source space. It then reproduces all the in-gamut colors exactly and clips out-of-gamut colors to the closest reproducible hue. ........"
Now, if that is what it does, it is by no means obvious to me how variations in the extent of out-of-gamut colors being remapped (as you move from ARGB98 to Prophoto, e.g.) could have a differential visible impact on posterization of actual photographs.
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Reply #146 on:
August 09, 2005, 12:16:01 PM »
The Granger Rainbow is certainly brighter and more colourful when assigned a ProPhoto profile (as opposed to sRGB and ARGB) both before and after proof setup for Premium Glossy, RelCol, simulate paper white and sat reduction to tame gamut.
I'm not at my printer at present, but I have no doubt which would look the best if I printed all three images on my 7600.
One thing that puzzles me, however. To bring these 3 images within the gamut of the Premium Gloss profile requires a greater reduction of saturation (with the hue/sat tool) for the ARGB and sRGB images than for the ProPhoto image. (ARGB -71; sRGB -68; PP -62.) Does this seem right?
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Reply #147 on:
August 17, 2005, 10:08:03 AM »
I just can't understand that statement. I have an sRGB 24 bit 50MB image that contains every combination of the 255 levels of red, green and blue; ie 16.7 million colours, each pixel representing a different colour. (Give or take a few hundred or thousand, Jani ).
I convert the image to the bigger ProPhoto color space. I've still got 16.7 million colors. If I were to get more, the file size would have to increase. I've never noticed that happen, have you?
If I say the colors have changed in character; that some of them are more saturated than they were in the sRGB space, then that is a different statement to saying I have more colors. Let's try to be logical here. More colors does not mean more color, if English is your first language. If you think it does, then thats the source of the confusion. By 'more colors', I mean 'a greater number of discrete shades of color'.
The scale is totally different. R255 in sRGB isnt the same color as R255 in ProPhoto RGB. The R255R in ProPhoto is much more saturated. Its not the same color but has the same number.
Now if you want to debate that the max red in one color space which is more saturated than another isnt really more colors, OK.
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Reply #148 on:
August 09, 2005, 04:39:02 PM »
Its pretty simple. You have a capture device and scene gamut that falls outside of Adobe RGB (1998). You have output devices whos gamuts fall outside Adobe RGB (1998) such as my Epson 2400. Your goal is to capture and reproduce all the colors you can. Adobe RGB (1998) is fine but not up to that task, ProPhoto RGB is.
As Ive said so many times, there is no such thing as a prefect RGB working space. But you could substitute working space in that sentence with just about anything we work with in Photography and imaging.
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Reply #149 on:
August 05, 2005, 09:40:24 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, and I think that this is what Paul has been saying all along. If my prints are made on a Fuji Frontier which prints to the sRGB colour space, then does it not make more sense to work in that colour space from the beginning of my workflow so that I am not assuming certain saturated colours are contained in ACR using prophoto and then converting to the print colour space of sRGB just before sending to print, losing the saturated detail and having to start again.
Isn't the point of WYSIWYG to be just that? What's the point in working with a wider gamut throughout the workflow if you aren't going to use it for print, you will just be getting yourself in trouble.
Of course this is an extreme example of a printer with a limited colour space. However even though prophoto may give an advantage for certain colours on certain printers, would it not be better to work with a colour space throughout the workflow that is completely contained within the printers ability, such as Adobe '98, so at least you know exactly how the colours are going to come out in print from start to finish?
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Reply #150 on:
August 05, 2005, 07:30:53 PM »
Im not saying dont use PhoPhoto. Use it. Have a ball. I am saying that when your working space is far greater than your printer/paper space you are knowingly introducing an unnecessary unknown. Which adds mystery to the output but nothing else of value.
If some one can explain how a color outside the print space is of some value during editing, Ill read it. But at the moment, its mere religion.
It's neither a religion nor an unknown-even if _YOU_ don't yet know how to do it.
Look, you have a capture space, a working space and a printer space. To take a capture space and by virtue of converting to a working space, clip or throw away color, you've forever limited the usability of such color and lessened the value of the image for the future.
Going from ProPhoto RGB, which contains not just "most" of the colors cameras can capture, but _ALL_ colors a camera can capture, to your output profile allows _YOU_ to decide how the color transforms will be handled.
It's _NOT_ religion that today's inkjet printers can use a meaningful amount of color outside of even Adobe RGB, and it ain't just Canary yellow but in the case of the new K3 inks a LOT of dark deep saturated colors that fall outside of Adobe RGB, but within ProPhoto RGB _AND_ the K3 ink gamut.
Color outside the print gamut itself can be useful in that YOU can control how those colors are remapped. How? Photoshop Soft Proofing-if you know how to use it. The Absolute Colormetric use of Soft Proofing (using ink black and paper white) can show you exactly how to adjust what are out of gamut color into the gamut of the output device. You can alter the relationships of the colors and actual produce results by virtue of those out of gamut colors. Yes, they won't "print" but they will absolutely impact how the final output looks. Yes, today's displays can't show you "everything" but using Soft Proofing correctly, you can be about 90% accurate in your visual predictions on-screen to print.
If you don't have the data, you can't do anything with the data...hense the reason for working with data outside of the color space of the output and if you know what you are doing, working with data outside the color space of your monitor.
Personally, with the recent rate of progress in cameras, output devices and displays, if you _DON'T_ work now with an eye to the future, you are being incredibly short sighted. Michael's review of the 4800 not withstanding, the total volume of color capable of being reproduced by the 4800 vs the 4000 is seriously larger-even if he didn't do the volume mapping to prove it to himself.
We'll have computer displays very shortly that will have at least if not larger color gamuts than Adobe RGB and luminance output that is bright enough to work in normal room light.
To be honest, even ProPhoto RGB is actually too small a color space to work in when limited by 16 bit. With the deployment of even limited HDR space in Photoshop CS2, we're looking well beyond the current limitation of 16 bit integer to 32 bit floating point and new color spaces that will extend even beyond what ProPhoto RGB can contain.
Will we see cameras that can capture or printers that can print it? Not for a while yet, but remember, image processing is also an advancing art and still limited to the current algorithms in use-which keep getting better. But even if you can't capture or print the colors, you CAN archive them in your files for a time in the future when you may be able to. Also, understand that image processing is just really elaborate math-and the more data you have, the more refined and accurate the results of your processing algorithms. Which translates to better results even in smaller gamut output.
There are a lot of people out there with a little bit of knowledge and often the "nearly blind" will end up leading the "blind". The "unknown" won't stay that way long, and there's little value in "religion" as you term it...but there is science, if you are inclined to learn it.
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Reply #151 on:
August 05, 2005, 02:21:21 PM »
By the way, does anyone of you use
- basICColor display profiles (gamut-compressed profiles, which reasonably simulate colors outside the monitor gamut) or
- Photoshop's "Desaturate Monitor Colors" control
in relation to ProPhoto workflow?
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Reply #152 on:
August 05, 2005, 04:29:03 PM »
You realize that when a photo file color doesnt map into your print space the rendering process does it for you. In other words, what you see is NOT what you get. You get whatever the rendering process gives you. Thats why in 2005 we still hover over the printer with a fair bit of apprehension to see what it will hatch. We dont do that with text printers any more because technology has taken the mystery out of it. Back in the DOS days of 6 pin dot-matrix printers it wasnt so deterministic. Some day fine art printing will be as deterministic as laser jet text is today. But it wont be tomorrow.
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Reply #153 on:
August 08, 2005, 10:17:01 PM »
Andrew's response to Ray to-day is very sensible, but it deals with varying impacts of different rendering intents, whereas the issue at stake in this discussion thread is whether there is a differentially worse impact from the use of whatever rendering intent when the working space is Prophoto rather than ARGB98.
Actually if youre referring to the use of a Granger Rainbow to see the effects of a conversion, the source profile used is going to be part of the evaluation. That is, Assign sRGB, Adobe RGB (1998) and ProPhoto to the same numbers and convert using the same output profile and rendering intent. Youll see some very interesting results!
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August 09, 2005, 09:26:11 PM »
Brighter appearing when you Assign or after youve output the file?
Brighter (more saturated, or perhaps more intense is the right word) on screen immediately after assigning the 3 profiles, but also after applying proof setup/simulater paper white etc and reducing gamut for all 3. The sRGB and ARGB rainbows are dowdy by comparison.
If the numbers are the same, it would seem the reason why the ProPhoto image did not require the same degree of desaturation as the ARGB image (to bring them both within gamut) is a result of the Premium Glossy paper's capacity to handle at least some of the greater saturation of ProPhoto. Does that make sense?
The surprise is, the sRGB image required
desaturation to bring it within gamut than did ARGB. It would make more sense if this was the other way round.
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August 07, 2005, 07:13:11 PM »
I do not see any contradiction, unless you seriously suggest to map an out-of-gamut color onto an in-gamut color.
With RelCol, out-of-gamut colors are simply clipped to the nearest color in CIE Lab. In detail, an out-of-gamut color is moved along a line of constant Lab hue angle until it reaches the border of the target space.
At page 71 of your book it is explained that such moves are not perfectly in line with the perceived hue.
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Reply #156 on:
August 10, 2005, 12:38:26 PM »
There are two options for viewing out of gamut colors under the View menu. One is to setup a soft proof using the output profile, rendering intent and options like Simulate paper/ink. This IS the way to be evaluating the soft proof/out of gamut colors.
The second, older and quite useless way is to pick Gamut Warning which places a gray (by default) mask over out of gamut colors based on what youve set in Proof Setup. The idea is to desaturate those areas so they fall into output gamut. This is a old, useless, time consuming and not very accurate way to be handling this process.
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Romney was truly in his comfort zone. Here was a successful start-up business, in a state where he has deep roots, run by Mormons he knew and trusted who had given generously to his campaign. Its C-Suite included a former adviser to the Massachusetts governor and future fundraisers. CEO Todd Pedersen and COO Alex Dunn, together with their wives, had personally contributed more than $15,000 to Romney's 2012 presidential ambitions thus far and would give another $300,000 in the coming years, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, which compiles FEC filings.
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Presidential candidates scrupulously manage their public images, so it is rare for a candidate to embrace a business with such obvious problems. After all, "when a candidate praises a donor or a donor's business enterprise, the candidate is linking himself or herself to that entity," says David Magleby, a professor of political science at Brigham Young University who specializes in campaign finance.
Romney apparently never knew about APX's record, because he probably failed to vet it. (His campaign did not respond to several requests for comment on his relationship to the firm.) And what campaign wants to investigate its top donors? But Romney's ribbon-cutting conveyed his imprimatur. In return, Vivint provided another reminder—there are several every campaign season—that the pressures of fast-paced fundraising force pols to trust close allies with money.
On a spring afternoon in 2008, Scott Harris of Little Rock, Ark., answered a knock at his front door. A clean-cut young man was selling home-security systems, and Harris invited him in. The salesman, who looked like a college student, told Harris that he worked for APX and that, like with televisions, all alarm systems would be digital within five years. A married man himself, he said, he pressed Harris repeatedly on the perils he and his wife faced: A determined thief could easily thwart their old analog alarm system by cutting the couple's phone line.
Then the salesman began ticking off the features of APX's system. It used a cellular network, so a thief couldn't disable it by cutting a hard line; the company would install up to 10 sensors for free, and installation would take only 45 minutes; several area businesses, including the pizza place up the street, Damgoode Pies, were switching to it. Harris, 48, agreed to give it a try. "It sounded too good to be true," he recalls.
It was.
The next week, while Harris—who travels frequently for his job—was away, the salesman dropped by the house twice to chat up Harris's then-wife, Dana. She put him off, but he was back soon after Harris returned, arriving to formalize the contract and promising to install the APX system that day. But now some sensors would carry a fee (Harris doesn't remember how much). And when the technicians arrived, they showed an unusual interest in Harris's 6-year-old daughter, talking to her at length and asking her parents about her. The installation took three hours, preventing Harris from putting her to bed. Dana was frightened enough to take their license-plate numbers.
Mitt Romney Speaking at APX Headquarters
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Wow I am impressed that these stray so much from traditional chocolate chip cookies and yet taste so similar. No one would ever notice that these were not full fat, white flour cookies unless you told them. Definitely a recipe I will make again.
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From EatingWell: Spring 2004, The Essential EatingWell Cookbook (2004), July/August 2012
EatingWell reader Beverley Sharpe of California contributed this recipe. She updated a favorite treat by cutting back on sugar and incorporating whole grains. To increase protein, she replaces the rolled oats with 1 cup almond meal.
176 Reviews for Bev's Chocolate Chip Cookies
wonderful flavor... but for some reason the second batch didn't expand.
Amazing - my family loves them - I followed the recipe, they turned out great! I made a double batch, and froze a bunch so I can pull them out later. So tasty, crispy around the edges, just delicious. Highly recommend!
DaniM, Bloomington, IN
I tried Bev's substitution of almond meal for rolled oats, and the results were terrific! This is a yummy cookie with great flavor, and the almond meal added a nice bit of nuttiness to it. I'll definitely make these again. I spent a little extra on premium chocolate chips (bittersweet instead of semisweet) and the rich, dark taste made it well worth the extra buck or so.
Frank, Philadelphia, PA
Step aside Pillsbury and Nestle, this recipe has trumped any classic chocolate chip recipes. Its light, healthy, and a great base to experiment so let your creative juices flow. I prefer to add 1/4 c extra oats, 1 tsp cinnamon and maybe a touch of ginger to add a nice smell to the home. Bless you Bev!
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In a blurry six-second video which ended up on YouTube, the three megastars are all seen celebrating the birthday of Tamra Natisin, Perry's assistant, who is a close friend of KStew. The two were seen palling around in L.A. while RPattz was off in Australia filming "The Rover" over the past two months.
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It's important to watch closely, because the video is a blink-and-you'll-miss-it affair. Perry can clearly be seen on the right side of the table wearing a black-and-white striped shirt. She appears to be in a happy mood following her tough week in which her split with John Mayer was announced and her ex-husband Russell Brand made remarks about their former marriage in the press.
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Sorry genius, it's not the 80s anymore. But I guess u love that urine bomb.By the way. I think you were trying to spell your. You see, ur isnt a word, its something JEST fan mutter as they drop urine bombs on unsuspecting fans.
Trying to find a mistake when its not there? I used both, you're and ur and used em correctly (you can argue the word is your and not ur and you'd be correct, but you'd also make a **** out of urself...oh shoot, I did it again). Did I mention its not the 80s anymore?I see what confused you. You actually used the contraction YOU'RE which of course is a contraction of YOU and ARE.
YOUR is possessive form of You.
...team's name.Honestly have no idea why I even wasted that much time trying to educate a JEST fan. They can't even spell their own team name correctly...and it only has 4 letters in it. Good damn thing they aren't the Seahawks or Buccaneers.
Brian Schottenheimer might be the worst OC in the league. At least with the Dolphins, Henning has had success before. Schotty has had no success.
Schottenheimer is a good OC, he's just the scapegoat w/ the O struggling. Just like Henning was the scapegoat for Miami.
Most Jets fans blame Schotty for the offense. The dropped passes that stall drives is not on Schotty. The missed assignments on OL is not on Schotty. The injuries to the OL is not on Schotty. People blamed Schotty for not calling quick passes, screens and small yardage passes that often. He has done that this year and people blame him for not taking shots deep. Either way he gets dumped on. What Jets fans do need to realize is that Jets offense is mediocre at best. Its their D that makes the unit an above average team. A lot of the money is invested in to the D. Roughly $50 mils are for the two corners and the top three LBs. On the offense, Jets have contracts averaging about $36mil for the two WRs, QB, LT and C.
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Howdy y'all. Please help me settle a friendly dispute.
What is the par of your local courses? Are they all par 54? Do you make a 700 foot hole a par 3 because the score are "relative" to the others? I support the argument that creating par 4s and 5s on a course make it more interesting, but my fellow Santa Feans don't agree.
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On the course that I usually play (Cottonwood) everything is par 3 even though there are a couple of positions that could be considered par 4. At Sakuna Pines (which is closed at the moment) there are legitimate par 4s and par 5s.
Wirth Par 3 is all par3 (duh!)
Fort Snelling is par 64 for red tees, 60 for blue, and 59 for gold (three sets of tees).
"My mates argue that everything should be a par 3 "because were not like ball golf and don't need par 4's and 5s"--Which I think is a bogus excuse. Playing a 800 foot hole as a par 3 defies logic."
I'd agree that that's a bogus excuse.
The question is, do they really "play" it as a par-3, or just give their score as if it's a par-3?
If the latter, I'll offer the logic behind it---
I play a hole that's truly a par-4. I don't "play" it as a par-3. I'm placing my shots to get a 4, with which I'll be satisfied; if I get a 3, I'm elated as it truly feels like a birdie.
But, keeping score in my head or adding scores on a scorecard, I'll "score" it as a par-3. If I get a 4, that's 1-over. The benefits are (1) I can easily keep score in my head, without a scorecard, (2) I don't have to remember what par was on a hole, (3) I don't have to faithfully follow the strange pars that have been set for some courses, (4) or if I'm using a scorecard, I can quickly add the scores by counting the holes above "3" and the holes below "3".
I certainly like to play courses where for some of the holes a four is a good score, and trying to get a three might get me a five or six. So in that sense, I want courses that include well designed par 4s and par 5s. Whether you call it a par 4 on the scorecard or tee sign, I don't care. At Worlds they put par values on the scorecards. Sometimes I can get a psychological advantage on the competition just by realizing Chuck thinks it is a par 4 so a 4 isn't such a bad score. Sometimes it helps me think about how to play a hole when I see that the course designer thought it was a par 4 or par 5. It depends on whether that is a recreational par value or a pro/adv par value. I don't see any value to putting recreational par values on tee signs. Recreational par does violence to the definition of par.
And yes, this dead horse is thoroughly tenderized.
does that mean an easy hole could be a par 2?
Of the two courses I play most, one has two layouts, par 58 and 61. The other is par 68.
The second one is silly, and we consider all holes there to be par-3s.
But the first has legitimate par-4 and par-5 holes.
Why not? If people generally get a 2 on a hole then I would consider it a par 2.
We certainly "play" some holes as Par-2, whether we call them or score them that or not.
The course I play the most are par 3 all around, but they are not worthy of anything above par 3.
I think mediocre disk golfers like to shoot under par and there fore complain if a hole is too hard for them to birdie on occasion. Instead of going hole by hole I would use the SSA, or an estimate of SSA, to determine the overall par for the course. If an 18 hole course comes in with an SSA of under 54 you got some par twos whether you care to admit it or not. In golf only the top players come in at under par, and even they don't do it all that often. There is a new 18 hole course in my area that is listed as a par 61 but SSA is closer to 57. So I would say that three holes would be considered par 4's. If there are any others you'd consider a par 4 you'd have to consider an equal number par 2's
I usually use the par 3 rule as I travel quite a bit and am constantly on courses I have never played on before. Almost every course I have ever been to does not have a par listed on the hole or an easily found course map. How can you not play the rule of 3 since who the hell ever knows what the par was intended to be except during a tournament or possibly if they are a long term local.
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Demonstrators protested outside a Royal Oak High School on Thursday against Proposal A, or the Human Rights Ordinance saying if the proposal passes, blood drives could be banned from city limits. The ban was led by Dr. Fadwa Gillanders outside Shrine of the Little Flower High School. The school was hosting a blood drive inside. Proposal A reads: "An ordinance to amend the Code of the City of Royal Oak to prohibit discrimination based upon actual or perceived race, color, religion, national origin, sex, age, height, weight, condition of pregnancy, marital status, physical or mental limitation, source of income, family responsibilities, sexual orientation, gender identity, or HIV status, and to provide penalties for the violation thereof.""I'm fighting for the fact that when you make a law adding 'HIV status' and wanting equal access to everybody - well there are certain people who cannot give blood. And now you are going to prevent blood drives from coming into the city limits of Royal Oak," Gillanders says. This is the current screening process for a blood drive: If a man has had sex with another man he is considered high risk and cannot donate blood. The pharmacist and her peers believe if the ordinance passes certain schools or businesses in Royal Oak could ban or refuse to hold a blood drive because it would violate the 'HIV status' portion of the human rights ordinance. "There have been bans across the country, universities banning blood drives, because they discriminate against a certain group of people who can't give blood," Gillanders explains. 29 communities in Michigan right now have adopted the human rights ordinance, but none have banned blood drives thus far. In fact, the Red Cross and the American Association of Blood Banks are already asking the FDA to drop its lifetime deferral for men who have sex with another man. Bridget Tuohey, the communications manager for the Red Cross told Fox 2's Taryn Asher they feel the deferral is unwarranted.
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This mock "ravioli" features a pistachio and tarragon-flecked goat cheese filling layered between roasted beet slices that are crimped to look like ravioli. A lightly sweetened tarragon orange sauce and more pistachios finish the dish.
Serve it as a vegetarian main course, or serve one piece as a first course.
Yields 6 servings (main course).
Tarragon and beetroot together create a rich sensory feast.
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"Are you lonesome tonight? This cake will have you itchin' like a bug on a fuzzy tree. Even your hound dog will like it. Thank you, thank you very much."
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1 (18.25 ounce) package
white cake mix
1 (8 ounce) can
crushed pineapple with juice
2 cups
white sugar
1 (8 ounce) package
cream cheese
1/2 cup
butter, softened
4 cups
confectioners' sugar
1 teaspoon
vanilla extract
1 cup
chopped pecans
In light of the mixed reviews of this recipe, a word of caution that my review is based on the changes I made to this recipe. I really wanted it to work, not only for myself but for others who might want to try it, and I believed it definitely had potential in spite of its problems, mainly that 2 cups of sugar to an 8-oz. can of pineapple is just simply far too much. I made this as a 3-layer cake, using the cake mix called for (I used French Vanilla) and a Cake Mix Extender recipe from another web site. Turned out moist, tall, and delicious. For the filling I heated a 20 oz. can of pineapple with just 1/3 cup sugar and 2 T. cornstarch till thickened, then swirled in 2 T. butter to make it silky and rich--again, perfect. Delicious and just the right amount of sweetness. Because of the size of the cake I made, and because I added some decoration, I made a double recipe of the frosting. I decorated the finished cake with sliced almonds, maraschino cherries and wedges of dried pineapple. All I gotta say is, Elvis would be proud this is his namesake. This is one, fine cake, and a real show stopper!
I made this cake for my husband's birthday dinner because he can't tolerate anything chocolate in the evening. It's not a bad cake, but it's VERY sweet...a diabetic coma in one piece! Even my kids thought so. The next time I make this, I'm going to add the nuts in with the pinapple/sugar mixture and frost the cake with a fluffy white icing or use less sugar and more juice in the pineapple/sugar mixture to see if I can tone it down.
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This is the first time that I've written a review, but the cake turned out so awesome, that I had to share. I used the 20 oz. can of pineapple with juice with a scant one cup of sugar. Honestly, you could get away with a half to 3/4 cup--but I wonder if it would make enough "juice"? With the cup of sugar, it was still very sweet. THEN-I took a big meat fork and covered the cake with holes-a very important step, I think. Now, apply pineapple liberally. Those steps where suggestions from other reviewers. I changed the frosting to a POUND of cream cheese, 1/2 cup butter, a running-over teaspoon of vanilla, and only 2 cups of powdered sugar. I really like cream cheese frosting, obviously. I used all but one cup of it--I just couldn't bring myself to use all of it! Don't mix the pecans into the frosting--it will tear up your cake. TOAST your pecans and sprinkle them on top. Put it in the fridge and serve cold. Yum, yum, yum!!!
What a wonderful cake - there was nothing left of it to bring home. However, I made some changes after reading previous reviews. Here is what I did. I used a 20 oz. can of crushed pineapple, this gave a better covering of the caked. I also used just 3/4 cup of sugar to cooked the pineapple in. 2c. sugar is unnecessary. All you want the sugar to do is to more or less cook the pineapple down and give it a glaze. Then I used a slotted spoon to drain the liquid off as I was spreading it on the cake. Doing this will still give you the necessary moisture. I also sprinkled the nuts on top of the frosting instead as per instrustions, this gave it a nice appearance. Will I make it again? YOU BET ON IT! It had my husband howling with delight!
Great cake and really simple! I followed some of the other suggestions and doubled the pineapple (but didn't use all of the juice) and used 1.5 cups of sugar. I took it to a get together and everyone raved about it. I thought that it was even better after being in the refrigerator overnight.
I needed to make an additional comment. Previously I noted that you needed to scale back the sugar to 1 cup. You also need to poke holes in the cake while it is hot and pour the pineapple mixture over the still warm cake. Do Not drain off the juice. You want it to soak into the cake.
Very easy to make, but it's TOO sweet! My hubby loves all types of sweets and even he said it was too much. I think the icing is fine so it must be the white sugar that should be reduced by at least half (IF I were to make this again).
This cake is wonderful. It would be perfect served at a bridal shower. I poked holes in the cake before pouring the pineapple on top. It makes the liquid absorb into the cake better. Thanks for this great cake recipe.
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The thing is, I'm pretty sure we don't need reminding that breast cancer's a problem. If you haven't gone through the battle yourself, odds are you've supported someone — friend, sister, mother, daughter, partner — who has. We're plenty aware. Now it's time to make October's pink ribbons all about what we can do to prevent this devastating disease.
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It's so very nice to see common sense prevail! Of course it has taken, um, nearly 40 years.
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Saturday, November 12, 2011
My hair
I got my hair cut. Pretty dang short. I realize that for a lot of people a haircut is not really a big deal, but for me, this haircut symbolizes a lot.
I have always, always, always, had long hair. For as long as I can remember, everyone always told me how beautiful my hair was. I always thought of it as my best feature, and then as my weight went up and my self-esteem went down, I thought of it as my only pretty physical feature. Even more so, I got to the point where I felt like my long hair defined me, and that I wouldn't be "Erin" if I didn't have long hair.
Every once and a while I would cut it a little shorter than usual, but I always grew it right back. I spent more time than I should blowing drying it, brushing it, and worrying about it. I often saw people with short hair and was envious... wished I had the "guts" to get my hair cut, or the courage to believe I could pull it off. I would often say that I couldn't have short hair because I had a fat face and it wouldn't look good.
The last few months I started toying with the idea of cutting my hair... not just a little shorter, but A LOT short. I saw a picture of a pixie cut and wanted it. I worried I couldn't pull it off. I worried I wouldn't be pretty without my long hair.
But as I have become a runner, more has changed than just my physical appearance. As I lost 75lbs, ditched a whole lot of fat and grew some muscles, I found strength that I didn't know I had, physically and emotionally. I also managed to build myself some self esteem. The voices in my head that said I wouldn't be pretty with short hair or couldn't pull it off were quieted, and I felt excited about going for a big change. And I figured it was only hair... if I didn't like it, it would grow back. All of a sudden, having long hair didn't define me, and my long hair didn't feel like my only pretty feature.
Right away, I liked my hair cut short and I LIKED that I liked it. It's different. It's fun! The "old me" would have needed the people around me to tell me that they liked it before I made a decision. I would have been nervous to see people for the first time and would have worried what they thought. I would have felt insecure.
I look in the mirror and I see that not only am I still me with short hair, but that I am a newer, better version of me. I am stronger. I am healthier. I am happier. I am more confident. I don't need long hair to feel pretty, or other people's approval to feel confident. And my face isn't fat anymore. Somehow a haircut seemed to represent to me all the positive changes that I have made in the last two years. Going to NY and seeing family and friends for the first time with my short hair reinforced how much I like my hair cut and how good I feel, inside and out.
I know it is just a haircut and not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of life, but it has been a fun change that has shown me once again how very much running has had such a positive impact in my life.
24 comments:
- JC said...
I absolutely love it! It's so flattering on you :)
- November 13, 2011 at 10:32 AM
- Carrie @ Maine Mom on the Run said...
I love it! You look fantastic!
- November 13, 2011 at 10:39 AM
- Penny said...
Love the haircut. I think it make you look even younger. You are so cute with long or short hair.
- November 13, 2011 at 10:46 AM
- {lifeasa}RunningMom said...
I already loved your haircut and thought it was adorable on you! Now I love it more for all it represents. You are strong and beautiful and a great inspiration to so many. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the haircut. I am sure it touches many in ways you never even thought it would.
- November 13, 2011 at 11:36 AM
- BabyWeightMyFatAss said...
I love it! It's very cute and suits you really well!
- November 13, 2011 at 11:43 AM
- LBTEPA said...
It IS a big deal in the grand scheme of life - it's the outward symbol of the "new you' (or the 'real you'!) that has emerged!
- November 13, 2011 at 11:59 AM
- Suz and Allan said...
It's beautiful!
- November 13, 2011 at 12:58 PM
- Katie @ Will Race for Carbs said...
Great post Erin! Your hair is very cute! I think it looks great on you. I went the opposite way. I started growing my hair out when I started running.
- November 13, 2011 at 1:19 PM
- JenniferLeah said...
this post really spoke to me. I have been running around with this mega long blonde hair and it's just such a part of me now as much as i would love to try a new look, i dont have the guts to cut it.
- November 13, 2011 at 1:29 PM
- misszippy said...
I saw it in person and it is a fantastic cut on you! I'm so glad you like it.
- November 13, 2011 at 2:00 PM
- fancy nancy said...
You look awesome with short hair! I love it!!!
- November 13, 2011 at 2:05 PM
- Terzah said...
And now there are a whole crop of people who know you through running and have never seen you with anything BUT short hair! :^)
- November 13, 2011 at 3:36 PM
- Lacey Sue said...
I say, cheers to you, for cutting it. For being brave, and just DOING IT. I love it.
- November 13, 2011 at 4:09 PM
- Andrea H. said...
Love this post! I noticed that specific beautiful haircut when you were in New York and commented. Isn't it amazing how hair can just get short with confidence and self esteem. Plus you wear short hair so well and it makes you look even younger. I just started to grow my hair out 4 years ago. I always had short hair but now it's itching to come off again, lol especially when I am wearing my beanie while running and the pony tail underneath is driving me crazy.
- November 13, 2011 at 4:44 PM
- Caroline said...
first you look very pretty
I love your hair!
and you look happy.
I also lost 75 lbs and I can tell you: I GET this post. 100%.
- November 13, 2011 at 9:20 PM
- Annet and Kirk said...
I get this post too, 100% like Caroline says! I have super duper long blonde hair - very thick and solidly long all the way to my butt and I always get comments on it and love it (and my hubby tries to say it is in our marriage contract that I never cut it). However, I don't think I hide behind it, I love it myself (and never ever blowdry it!!) and can't imagine short hair.
However, I think I hide behind my glasses. One day, I'll be brave and rich enough to get Lasix surgery or I'll be consistent enough to get contacts (never gone for more than a month) and that will be for me like your haircut is for you.
Really great post!!
- November 14, 2011 at 1:16 AM
- Annet and Kirk said...
And by the way, I forgot to write how much I love your haircut!
- November 14, 2011 at 1:17 AM
- Jen said...
Love your haircut, and by the way you are very pretty and your shorter hair draws more attention to your eyes! More importantly, even though I only know you through your blog, I can see that you have a very beautiful soul and that is what shines through, anyway. Thank you for a wonderful post! I think we all have our own hangups and security blankets of sorts and it sure feels good to shed them :)
- November 14, 2011 at 5:58 AM
- Prasetyo said...
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- November 14, 2011 at 6:17 AM
- Jill Will Run said...
I was thinking how cute your hair looked in your NYC recap pics, and thinking some of the same things... "If only I had the courage to do something like that with my hair!" I love this post and it is interesting how running can alter so many facets of life that you would never imagine. Thanks for sharing this, it really resonated with me!
- November 14, 2011 at 8:19 AM
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- November 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM
- Christy @ My Dirt Road Anthem: A Runner's Blog said...
I love the haircut, so cute! I keep thinking I want to do that, but am terrified so for now just cutting it up to my shoulders was a big deal :)
- November 15, 2011 at 2:52 PM
- Mallory said...
I LOVE your hair! You look great!
- November 15, 2011 at 4:38 PM
- Jessica Washburn said...
I LOVE your short hair and actually think you look prettier with it short. It shows off your beautiful eyes and smile. Sucha cute face!
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