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- Philip Welford
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Is diet and exercise a huge oversimplification of obesity? Do we need an unprejudiced reconsideration?
My partner of 35 years passed away in 2010 aged 53. When we met, she weighed around (126 lbs/56kgs). Following childbirth (two pregnancies) her weight doubled. She ate healthily; typically fruit, cereal and salad. This makes me consider obesity. Many people without a weight problem attribute virtually all obesity to blame, failure, but is it as blatantly simple as diet and exercise? If my partner hadn't had her problems I'd probably believe it.
If a diet worked we'd all be on it and there'd be no obesity. Dieting is self-imposed famine and we, as with many other animals, are equipped to cope with famine. We eventually recover what we lost.
People without a weight problem think they're in control but how do they know they've taken in enough to keep them going until their next food? We need reserves to obtain our next food, even to chew it.
Do we keep every bit of nutrition in what we eat, does some of it pass right through? Intake travels at a rate through the system. Does a quick rate mean less is absorbed than with a slow rate?
Do we store more fat for winter but with the comfort of central heating we don't use it? Has the rise in home heating paralleled the rise in obesity rates?
Is "junk food" an abstract imagination of something fat people eat in large quantities? People focus on fat people eating in public who fit the prejudice but don't notice others eating as much, or more, who aren't fat.
Is it right to determine all fat people failures? Are there no fat scientists, doctors, or professors? Are they clever in every department except food intake?
Pregnancy hormones reorganise how the metabolism handles food to some extent, providing for the foetus. Are there female dieticians for whom weight has become significantly difficult to control following pregnancy?
Why are there families where just one child is fat and has been since infancy, but the others aren't even though they're all been raised with the same care?
Do other animals exercise on a recreational basis?
Apr 9 2013: We should get real When something unique in the history of man happens, something new has happened.
Apr 9 2013: I agree with you George.
it may have something to do, (if only in part)with the fact machines that do a lot of our physical labor for us.Apr 9 2013: These are all extremely good questions. As far as calling all "fat people" failures I don't think that would be right. Obesity can stem from many things; hormones, genetics, stress, etc. It does not typically come from just one simple thing, like having a poor diet and not exercising (although these do play a role). It is entirely possible for people to change these things though, and therefore change their hormone levels, their gene expression, among many other things. Eating healthy is just the beginning, and quite a few people who "eat healthy" don't realize that they don't have a good grasp on what is healthy. Nutrition is a very complex and tricky subject. But eating healthy is not enough to overcome obesity. To lose weight there must be a caloric deficit and the best way to achieve this is by eating less and exercising (and when eating less, eating better as well..whole foods, nothing processed). Also many people think that cardio is the best way to lose weight so they ignore weight training, when, in fact, weight training can be one of the best things for your weight loss journey. Anyways..obesity is very complicated and there are many things that can lead to it, but there are also ways out of it.
Apr 9 2013: Thanks for your reply Alyssa. Please forgive me if I seem cynical, it's borne from years of experience and isn't in any way personal. I appreciate all comments, they stir my thoughts. : o) They actually illustrate the advice fat people receive, very well.
Many obese people are aware of the value of nutrition and exercise, but it doesn't work for them as it does for Mr and Mrs Average.
I have a friend who is a Uni professor, a well respected, no nonsense woman (she has a little red dragon on the dash of her car. A present from one of her offspring), still teaching in her 70s. She's had a problem with her weight since the birth of her 4th child nearly 40 years ago and even she has returned from her nutritionist frustrated and close to tears at the condescension. When people are sensible in their regime, some even more sensible than those without a problem, and it's failing, then they are often tacitly dismissed as self deluding liars.
When we're ill we often don't want to eat but we are also lethargic with little or no energy and take to our beds. The short term diet is appreciated but the lethargy isn't. I suspect the two are both deliberately controlled by the metabolism and a similar thing happens with dieting, lowering our intake reduces the propensity to expend energy, not just physical movement but internal energy usage too.. A similar thing might be when people are lost in such places as the desert for days without supplies, they move in a slow measured, perhaps natural, innate conservatory way to make maximum use of stored energy supplies.
As far as I'm aware no one has achieved permanent weight loss without continued low calorific intake or surgical intervention. There is much to be learned.
Apr 10 2013: When talking about nutrition, a diet may do some good in the beginning; but if the person goes off the diet and resumes their original ways then the diet was useless. It is the lifestyle change, the permanent change that will induce the results. Are you talking about illness in other regards, like thyroid issues, etc?
Apr 10 2013: My experiences are that if you don't fit the average biological pattern, then, whether nicely or nastily put (my wife had both), you are a failure and, or, a liar. 35 years is a long time to study a person and I hope I've demonstrated with this conversation and my replies so far that I have some logic and awareness.
She had the full battery of blood and endocrine tests and nothing was found to be wrong. Ergo she was at fault. She was put on three regimes over the years. A food replacement diet, a fat busting drug then an anti addiction drug (now withdrawn in the Europe). In other words, "We don't believe you."
I suspect that if we go on a long term weight loss regime the body goes into a scavenging mode because it thinks it's in famine. Unless you continue in a low intake mode you will recover losses but for some that mode is so low it's an intolerable lifestyle.
If you lose a limb or a sense, such as sight, you have no choice but to adapt. With weight you have to fake your own disability and for most it becomes an impossible task.
I can understand anyone within the average body range looking for, at worst a blame factor, at best a contributory factor, but my observations and considerations have led me beyond that, hence my wondering if there are any qualified dieticians, especially female, who've found considerable difficulty with their body mass that they didn't always have.
:o)Apr 23 2013: Yes, Philip, religating the cause - and solution - to obesity to diet and exercise is an over simplification. Breakthrough work has been accomplished, and continues to provide new answers, in an unlikely place: reality television! The Biggest Looser has challenged, changed, and refined the way obesity is being treated and cured today. It is amazing! The "contestants" run the gamut from life-long beriatrics in their 20's, to previous athletes now obese, to yes: plenty of mothers and grandmothers who didn't put on weight until having children. And each has their unique treatment plan but each includes a similar diet and exercise regimen. The previous references to the animal kingdom are appropriate, as function-limiting obesity isn't tolerated in the wild. A person MUST FIGHT with an animal intensity for their life, if they are to beat this disorder. But the fact that humans can get away with carying twice their ideal weight is both a BLESSING and a CURSE. It means we live with choice. Make healthy weight a life or death fight to obtain, or rather spend your time working on something that MEANS MORE! It shouldn't be for society to judge that person's focus. But we should all be honest enough to know ourselves, and allow each other to have a unique focus. To say we don't have all the answers is true, but more accurate is we don't like the answers we have.Apr 18 2013: Firstly, genetic traits can certainly have an effect on body type, just as much as they can determine height or mass. Some people have more lean muscle, and it's safe to assume that genetic variability can lead also to increased fat stores, or lack thereof.
But obesity, which is carrying an excess amount of weight to the point of being a danger to overall health, is not possibly genetic. From a purely scientific standpoint, it takes 40,000 + years for a species to exhibit changes from genetic selection. This would mean that for a gene to cause obesity, humans would have to be living, breeding, and surviving as obese species for conservatively 40,000 years. We all know this is not the case. This epidemic of obesity we have has occurred completely within the last 50 years.
Our diets (in countries affected by obesity) have become increasingly animal based. Our calories have become increasingly easy to consume. Western nations have the highest caloric availability on the planet, and we work little to obtain the calories. These developments also occurred in relatively recent history - maybe the last 150 years at most - and again we arrive at obesity epidemic.
Furthermore, research into cancer and autoimmune diseases, many of which are still considered inherited, has shown that through proper diet and exercise and meaningful living genetics actually account for only 1-3% of "inherited" or "genetic" disease.
Genetics, in effect, may lay a foundation. You may have genes that predispose you to putting on weight easily, or genes that allow you to eat as you wish and not notice much weight gain. But eventually, with age and accumulation of dietary and lifestyle effects, what you build on that foundation is going to be of your own making. Proper diet, which is a plant based diet low in animal product and fats, is the best way to develop health - weight related or otherwise.
Apr 19 2013: Your reply underlines the reasoning behind my question: fat people are the authors of their own condition.
You say "genetic variability can lead also to increased fat stores" but then you say ". obesity is not possibly genetic".
We have an automatic capacity to estimate what our needs will be, how much we need to store to keep the metabolism going until the next food. This forecast might not be constant, e.g. it may vary with seasons. We may not hibernate in winter but that doesn't mean we haven't got an innate awareness that changes either the intake or what we absorb from intake , storing more energy to cope with cold or reduced supplies.
Full home heating, especially in winter, has paralleled the obesity rise for over 50 years too.
Some pregnancy hormones (HPL)
change the absorption metabolism to provide for the growing infant. There is no need to "eat for two".
If it's all down to calories why are there variations in children in the same family observable from infancy even thought they've all been raised the same?
We don't absorb every calorie from what we take in. It varies.
We have an automatic control that caters for what the body thinks its mass should be.
If that mass setting is higher, reducing weight becomes extremely difficult, needing either permanent starvation or ridiculous amounts of exercise, or both.
I can understand people who are within the average seeing obesity as self authored if they don't have personal "live in" experience of someone obese, (in my case a partner) who they know tries.
There is much to be discovered.Apr 12 2013: You are right Philip - It is a difficult problem.Apr 10 2013: When it comes to overall health there are many factors involved and it is almost impossible to account for all of them. When it comes to obesity, many people focus on the diet and exercise but seem to leave out another important role: genetics. While a person such as your partner (my condolences) may eat well and exercise regularly, genetics may still be against them. Genetics plays a role in basal metabolism, your bodies fat percentage, and a wide range of other systems in the body. A healthy lifestyle can offset the adverse effects of bad genetics but it will never be able fully cancel them out. When it comes to diet, studies have shown that this is less important than overall exercise. While it is true that you should eat more nutrient dense foods, have a good variety of foods, and consume less sugar and saturated fats, if you do not exercise your body will simply not utilize the nutrients and calories as it is intended to. With modern technology making convenience a main priority in our lifestyles (similar to your example on central heating) it allows us to get by with less exercise. Less exercise means we do not need to consume as much but the convenience factor has made this nearly impossible as food is almost always readily available to us. This leads to the storage of excess nutrients which is the natural reaction of our body handed to us by our ancestors who never knew when their next meal would be (genetics). For this reason, exercise plays a central role in boosting the metabolism and reducing the amount available for storage. Other animals spend practically their entire lives in a state of exercise because they need to go out and work for their food unlike us.
As far as determining all fat people to be failures, this concept needs to be struck down immediately. People, regardless of weight, all have certain things in their lives with which they have trouble controlling or simply have no control over. Failure cannot be determined by a number on a scale.
Apr 11 2013: My partner's doc said, "It's just the luck of the draw in the gene pool." but that doesn't explain why her weight doubled following childbirth. She wasn't obese before that and she wasn't on her own. The internet is littered with threads from women who have a similar problem.
Your contribution has prompted the thought, "Do we eat to replace energy we used yesterday or are we estimating what we'll need tomorrow?"
We may live in modern societies but we aren't removed from nature. Evolution travels at a hugely slower rate than civilisation.
Why do animals, especially those that hibernate, prepare for hibernation? Why do other animals that don't hibernate grow thicker winter coats? What prompts it? This is what makes me think we are also seasonal and we naturally prepare for what is to come.
As an aside, I recently thought about the "munchies", where we have days when we have the urge to eat bits of all sorts of foods. Is it because we are short of a particular component, e.g. a vitamin? The brain or body doesn't know what food contains what, so it makes use consume various foods until the right food with the right component is eaten.
Thanks Paul.
p.s. I know the munchies is associated with cannabis but I don't use it lolApr 10 2013: I got up over 300 pounds at one time. I've had two doctors with different attitudes on causes. A great deal of fiber can help. there are other things. Personally I accept cut out the sugar and salt. Also, I was convinced that stress influences the functionning of your thyroid. The thyroid can play a big part, but one of my Doc's was doubtful.
Apr 10 2013: If the docs aren't sure then what chance do we mere mortals have?
Interesting point though. Does stress cause obesity or does obesity cause stress. I might do a Rip van Winkle sleep on that.
We seem to know so little about what controls our nutritional needs. Even the experts argue.
Apr 10 2013: Stress is very harmful to health and stress that's left unchecked can contribute to health problems such as high blood pressure, heart disease, obesity, diabetes, and other health issues. It has been proven the unmanaged stress will shorten your life span.
Not only can depression/anxiety/stress directly cause weight gain, they can cause weight gain indirectly via decrease activity and as a side effect to many of the medications use to treat those conditions.
"Does stress cause obesity or does obesity cause stress."
I think that likely varies per person, but ether way they do build upon each other.
More stress leads to more weight gain, more weight gain leads to more stress, In a hard to end cycle.
Apr 10 2013: My main interest is postpartum weight retention/gain. Also the relationship between postpartum weight and postpartum depression/anxiety. A few studies have been carried out but none have produced a definite result. e.g.
My interest has only been aroused by personal experience. I'm not involved medicine at all.It may be better that way because then I'm not clouded by the mainstream. It has taken me 20 years of on/off consideration to get this far.
All replies on this topic are valuable because they spur further thought and I appreciate them all.Apr 11 2013: Yes Philip it makes me uncomfortable too. Maybe this is why it is so hard to lose weight. Losing weight doesn't seem to work really well and produce happy campers.
Apr 11 2013: It disheartens people when they know they try so hard with their weight but are not believed.
Admittedly there are some with eating disorders, they aren't common, but people seize on them as an example of naturally obese people. They fit the picture/prejudice.
We all have a homeostasis, (natural ambient body settings), and the body tries to maintain those settings. If things go off course, action is taken to restore the balance. Restricting intake is wandering off course and slowing energy expenditure is one way of counteracting it. Perhaps that includes slowing down the digestive system, going into a scavenging mode extracting more from our intake than we might normally do.
As I've said in another reply, when we're ill and not eating we are often lethargic too and take to our beds. The system causes both deliberately. One is not a temporary boon and the other just a nuisance.
Good luck with your efforts George.Apr 9 2013: How do you explain your partner becoming fat when she was eating healthily? Did something else change from the time she weighed less?
If central heating did away with the need to store fat, I would think we would adjust and not store as much fat.
I don't think animals exercise recreationally, but probably get a lot of exercise hunting, scavenging, etc. Also maybe don't get much to eat.
Apr 9 2013: She got pregnant twice. No one knows why women have weight (and depression/anxiety problems). Something changed in her metabolism. One problem might be the people looking for the cause are those dealing with the symptoms. The best study I've found is here.
Evolution doesn't plan. It has conquered the seas, the earth, the skies and even under the earth to some extent without any planning or calculations. Admittedly it's taken a long time with a lot of failures but it's had the time and resources. I doubt it's taken account of any man made developments.
From what I've seen of wildlife documentaries it doesn't seem many of the greater animals spend more time hunting than relaxing once they've caught and eaten prey.
As far as getting enough to eat, I said in the question, "We and many other animals are equipped to cope with a fair amount of famine and we recover from it when times are better.
Would dogs chase balls and sticks if man wasn't there to throw them in the first place?Apr 9 2013: Besides legit heath issues being a good reason for us not to judge a book by its cover.
I have to say that there is nothing simple about diet and exercise.
I'm a strong believe in that everyone needs to create their own custom diet based on their own unique heath needs, taste and a diet that they can stay with for life. I know first-hand that diet can boost or reduce the effectiveness of medications. Also we should not rely on diet and/or exercise alone to treat a lot of health issues, neither is it just a matter of willpower.
So even discount health issues, the standard diet and exercise often does not work because we are all unique.Apr 9 2013: First, If a nutritionist is condescending to clients, the nutritionist should find a different line of work.
Viewing the big picture, it is really no surprise that we have an obesity epidemic in the USA. It is the combination of modern foods and modern lifestyles. Evolution prepared us for scarcity, not abundance. The picture from an individual point of view is very different.
I have not been critical of overweight people for many years, because I learned the same lessons that you did. Weight gain and loss is very complicated. After her second pregnancy my wife would eat almost nothing, and she would still not lose weight. I cannot imagine how this occurred, because her daily activities were normal and she had to be burning more calories than she was eating. Her doctor was as stumped as we were. This is in stark contrast to my personal experience. I can still fit into suits I bought twenty years ago, and pastries have been a big part of my diet. I have never had a weight problem, spent my life sitting in front of computers, and have never had an exercise routine. I take no credit for this, I am just lucky to be born this way. (I will take a little credit, I have practically given up ice cream, one of my favorite snacks, and I miss it.)
I know that many professionals just go with what they were taught, and do not really view their patients as individuals. Many assume that if a person is not losing weight according to the plan, then the person is cheating and eating more snacks than reported. The means for measuring caloric input and output during daily life is still very crude.
I suspect that the answers we need will be difficult to find. I think most of the research in this area is devoted to finding a miracle pill that will allow us to eat all we want and remain slim, providing profits aplenty.
So my answer is yes, that the whole issue of weight is grossly oversimplified.
Apr 9 2013: Same here Barry. I'm made of pies and nicotine, although I don't drink, not a choice, alcohol tried to escape the same way it got in so I never got into the habit.
My wife's problems started after the first birth and became worse with the the second. She was given all the endocrine tests and because nothing showed she was put on a strict diet of 3 fortified drinks a day. All she was allowed to drink was water or black coffee. She stuck to what she was told, she always did, and did lose weight but how long can you force yourself to live like that? She eventually sorted her weight herself for a while, calorie counting, 800 to 1,000 cals a day. She wrote down everything she ate or drank, even for the milk in her cups of tea. Took her a year. When she relaxed the diet she rapidly regained the weight. I remember doing the sums at the time and worked out she regained weight if she stepped over 1,200 cals per day. Funny how today's bariatric surgeons aim for 1,200-1,400 cals intake. She did it again some years later with the same result. Eventually she gave up trying.
I've searched on the internet for years and nearly all help for post pregnancy weight retention is, "Persevere, eat lettuce for the next 20 years, run 5 miles a day and you will see a difference." Is my cynicism showing?"
As for medical professionals my experience has been, "If you haven't been to medical school you don't know anything so just follow professional advice."
I'm normally easy going but I've kicked off a few times with people who see a fat person and say, "Why do people let themself get like that?"
Thanks for replying.Apr 9 2013: Hi Philip,
Thank you for bringing up this topic, this is something that I have been debating with myself about more than a few times but have not been able to articulate here. I think many people ought to ask themselves those same questions you raised when they judge others. It has unfortunately come to fact that overweight people are robotically labeled as malfunctioning elements of society. There is (as you mentioned) a lot more than meets the eye: good nutrition is expensive; genetics are at play; illnesses also cause weight issues. Weight and appearance do not define a person, as you cannot judge a book by its cover.


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I changed the recipe a little: 1/2 wheat 1/2 white flour, splenda instead of granulated sugar, and 1/4 cup + 2 T butter with 2 T applesauce (no canola oil). I know its not technically the original recipe, but they are sooooo good!
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EatingWell reader Beverley Sharpe of California contributed this recipe. She updated a favorite treat by cutting back on sugar and incorporating whole grains. To increase protein, she replaces the rolled oats with 1 cup almond meal.
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I tried this recipe as a quick treat for my kids' afternoon play date. It was so simple and so good! I substituted vegetable oil for the canola, honey for the sugar, and did not grind the the oats. I added toasted pecans and used dark chocolate chips. All 5 of the kids loved them as did I!! Thanks!
I used coconut oil instead of the canola. Gave it the slightest hint of coconut flavor. Delicious!
dont even taste healthy! i love these little cookies, in fact i'm having a hard time stoping at 1. adding the flax and almond butter adds more of a health benifit to these tastey things. also try adding 1/4tsp baking powder to really send nestle tollhouse a run for their money!!
I added:
1/4 c ground flax seeds
did not use all whole wheat, I used 1/4 c whole wheat and 3/4 cup unbleached all purpose flour
1/2 cup of butter and 1/4 cup almond butter
and 1/4 cup of honey in addition to the sugars
did not use any canola oil either
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I've wondered about that myself. Hah, you both posted this 6 months ago, I stumbled in here & thought I'd see if there'll be any replies! I reckon most of the stuff I'll jot down here is covered in other threads but maybe not in an Oregon-specific way?
I'm in pdx, and it's great to get less than an hr. out of town & be shooting in the woods. We've been going out past Estacada, tons of good spots out there. Definitely a relaxing getaway from town for a few hours. And much more fun than an indoor range (though the only indoor range I've shot @ is the Clackamas PSTS, and it's an A+ place all round). But I reckon it's always cheaper to shoot out in the woods than at any range, do you figure that's always true? It's easy to spend +$75 @ PSTS shooting 200rds of 9mm...
We try to haul out a couple of hefties-worth of trash when we leave a BLM site, I know that loads of people up here do that & it can only help keep the places available for our fun!
Any other suggestions for ranges &/or what outdoor areas might be worth checking out?
My current and only pistol is a Kahr cw9, fun little thing, weighs nothin, a very compact ccw. It definitely improved itself after the factory recommended 1st 200rds. Put about 600± rounds through it this last month, trying to get good with it using only weak/single hand-- so any accuracy issues now are all on me and not it!
and here i am a year and a month later, Orygunonians dont do much posting it seems.
I am... Haha
Sure glad you aren't an Or e gon shooter definitely the sign of a out of stater. I just missed being a native by about 6 months Mom was a native and we moved to Utah just before I was born.
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Isaac Hayes, 28, at Stax Record Co. in 1971. A wild clotheshorse, his closets were crammed with such stuff as formal tails and knickers, crushed velvet pantsuits, leopard coats, fur suits and snakeskin boots. "We're used to it," said a receptionist at Stax. "One of the enjoyable things about working here is seeing what Isaac will wear next." Hayes and another Memphis musician, David Porter, wrote and produced a string of hits including Sam & Dave's "Soul Man" at Stax. Hayes began recording himself and earned a gold record with his second album, "Hot Buttered Soul." In 1972, Hayes won an Oscar for best song, "Theme from Shaft."
Maid of Cotton Patricia Cowden (left) and Memphis Cotton Carnival Queen Clare Mallory gave Elvis Presley royal kisses just before the rock and roll singer walked on stage before a packed Ellis Auditorium audience on the night of May 15, 1956.
Al Green at the Beale Street Music Festival Saturday evening May 2, 2009.
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Juicy J, Frayser Boy and DJ Paul won an Oscar for their song "It's Hard Out Here For a Pimp" from the Memphis motion picture "Hustle & Flow."
LEFT to RIGHT: Roy Orbison, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins, Johnny Cash and producer Chips Moman sing during the recording of the "Class Of 55," a reunion album that Moman recorded using four legendary rock 'n rollers that got their starts in Memphis. The face between Cash and Moman is lead guitar player Reggie Young. This scene took place at Moman's old American Recording Studio on North Thomas.
Justin Timberlake and Samuel L. Jackson talk between doing press for "Black Snake Moan" at Sundance. Memphis writer-director Craig Brewer and cast - including Samuel L. Jackson, Christina Ricci and Justin Timberlake - are at the Sundance Film Festival in Park City, Utah, for the official premiere of Brewer's $13 million Paramount Vantage production "Black Snake Moan." The film was shot in the Memphis area. The premiere represents a triumphant return to the festival for Brewer, who was an unknown and unproven moviemaker when his Memphis-made low-budget "Hustle & Flow" debuted at Sundance in 2005, winning the Audience Award for favorite film and selling to Paramount for $9 million after a hotly contested studio bidding war.
B.B. King played at his namesake club on Beale Street August 30, 1999.
Furry Lewis and Bukka (Booker T. Washington) White in a photo dated May 1967. Born in Greenwood, Miss., Lewis moved with his family to Memphis in 1900. At 13 he had run away to join a medicine show with the legendary Memphis songster Jim Jackson. On returning to Memphis at the ripe age of 15, he played briefly with one of W.C. Handy's bands. Lewis frequently told interviewers that Handy was the man who gave him his first good guitar. Lewis, considered by many to be the quintessential Beale Street bluesman, was "rediscovered" by the national blues-folk revival in the 1960s. He was featured as an opening act at the Rolling Stones 1975 appearance at the Liberty Bowl. Bukka White first recorded in 1930 for Victor. The Memphis session yielded two train songs - The New Frisco Train and The Panama Unlimited - and two gospel numbers released as "The Singing Preacher." The 78s didn't sell that well, and White found himself itinerant, playing semi-pro baseball for the Birmingham Black Cats and boxing in Chicago. White became one of the most popular bluesmen of the '60s folk revival, touring Europe as part of the American Folk Blues Festival and playing at the 1968 Olympics in Mexico City. He died Feb. 26, 1977.
Al Kapone, one of the originators of Crunk Rap Music, performs in downtown Memphis. He inspired Memphis groups such as Three Six Mafia. This year he wrote music for Craig Brewer's rap movie Hustle and Flow and has collaborated with the North Mississippi Allstars. While growing up in the housing projects of Lamar Terrace and during his Elementary school years he was inspired by Run DMC, Sugar Hill Gang, the Fat Boys, Ice T. His raps reflect the streets and a hard lifestyle. "Lyricacle Drive -By" is one of his most well known songs. He has recorded five solo albums and five compilations.
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Ike Turner performs during the "Ike Turner and The Kings of Rhythm" concert at the Stravinski hall stage of the Montreux Jazz Festival, in Montreux, Switzerland, on Friday, July 19, 2002.
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Jack Yarber easily blends into the Midtown music scene, even as he's revered as a cult hero on the international garage rock circuit. Yarber moved to Memphis from Corinth, Miss., in the mid-1980s, after forming that town's first punk group, Johnny Vomit & the Dry Heaves. Soon after, he co-founded Compulsive Gamblers and the Oblivians, two bands that Jack White and Swedish rockers the Hives cite as major influences. When the Oblivians combusted at the height of their success in the late 1990s, Yarber recruited a top roster of local performers for his growling, country- and soul-inspired garage outfit, Jack-O and the Tennessee Tearjerkers.
Cody Dickinson plays the electric washboard during the North Mississippi Allstars CD release party for their CD Polaris at the New Daisy on Beale Street. Cody also plays drums, guitar, and sings. The Allstars just released The North Mississippi Allstars Hill Country Revue Live at Bonnaroo CD. They are currentlly working on a record called Electric Blue Watermellon. The Allstars have dabbled in many music genres including rock, punk , blues and now rap. The Memphis rapper Al Kapone teamed up with the Allstars on a song called "No Mo". Cody is the son of producer Jim Dickinson.
Scott Bomar created an original score for the hit Memphis film Hustle and Flow. He is also the music producer for Craig Brewer's film, "Black Snake Moan".
Alberta Hunter in an undated photograph, probably late 1930's. The soprano, born on Beale Street on 1 Apr 1895, had two careers that spanned both the early and latter parts of the 20th Century. The blueswoman hopped a boxcar to Chicago at 14 (Google search of 22 Sep 03 says she was 12) and charmed the music denizens there. She introduced some of W. C. Handy's classics at his request and replaced Bessie Smith in the Broadway production of How Come? in 1923. She also starred as Queenie in the London production of Showboat. She retired in the early 1950s to care for her mother, but in 1977 she returned to the stage at age 82 after the owner of a New York nightspot heard her singing at a party. She wrote the musical score for Remember My Name and performed on the Today show and at the White House. She died in 1984.
Lee Baker (right) found his most lasting place in the Memphis scene as a member of Mud Boy and the Neutrons. Other members (from left): Sid Selvidge, Jim Dickinson, Jimmy Crosthwait.
Alex Chilton and Big Star came home Saturday night, October 29, 1994 as the reunited band played its first Memphis concert in more than 20 years, drawing a new generation of fans along with old friends and family. Almost 18 months to the day after reuniting for what was planned to be a one-time-only appearance at a University of Missouri rock festival, Big Star played the New Daisy Theatre to a crowd of 860, just 40 short of a sellout. It was the largest audience Big Star has ever drawn in Memphis. Two nights later, Big Star performed on The Tonight Show. "I've been here a lot longer than Jay," chuckled Chilton before taping the Monday night show. In 1968, a 17-year-old Chilton appeared on The Tonight Show as lead singer with the Box Tops, then at the height of that Memphis band's popularity with the million-selling The Letter. The band included original members Chilton and drummer Jody Stephens along with guitarist Jon Auer and bassist Ken Stringfellow from the Big Star- influenced band the Posies.
The Bar-Kays at STAX circa 1969.
Carla Thomas at WattStax 1972.
Classic Greenwood, Miss., garage rockers the Gants - whose claim to fame was a 1965 hit cover of Bo Diddley's Roadrunner.
The beleaguered Jerry Lee Lewis and wife, Myra, arrived home May 27, 1958 tired and confused about the trouble caused by the revelation of their five-month marriage to London reporters. The rock and roll singer and his 13-year-old bride had just arrived at the Memphis airport from London. In 1996, Lewis spoke of Myra: ''I really felt sorry for her. She was a little girl didn't have a thing. She had one gingham dress she wore to school. I felt sorry for her and I liked her and I married her and it was an experience. We grew real close together. Whether you'd call it love, I don't know. I think it was love, and I backed it up and didn't hide it like Elvis did and take her up to his house for 13 years and then marry her.''
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In the early 1970's, Lee Baker (standing far right) played in Moloch, among the few white artists signed by the waning Stax record label. Other members at the time were (from left) Joe Gaston, Eugene Wilkins, Jimmy Segerson & Phillip Dale Durham.
Lizzie Douglas, more popularly known as Memphis Minnie, in undated photograph. Between 1929 and 1953, she sang, played, composed and recorded well over 200 songs including "When the Levee Breaks" and "Me and My Chauffeur Blues". Her earliest sessions were almost all with second husband, Kansas Joe McCoy. She was born June 3, 1897 and died in 1973.
Lucero band members include John Stubblefield, bass, from left, Ben Nichols, vocals and guitar, Roy Berry, drums and Brian Venable, guitar. The band, which recently returned from the SXSW music festival in Austin, Texas, plays over 200 tour dates a year.
Jay Lindsey, 29, better known by the stage name Jay Reatard, started playing Memphis clubs in punk bands when he was only 15 years old. Since then he has released more than 70 records, some of which routinely fetch hundreds of dollars from collectors on eBay. Lindsey's ability to get industry executives to play into his hand is as impressive as his musical output. He recently signed a lucrative multi-album contract with Matador Records after being courted by Universal and Columbia.
Memphis Slim came from his home in Paris to play in Mississippi for the first time in 40 years in 1986. He performed at the Mississippi Delta Blues Festival at Freedom Village, near Greenville, on September 20, 1986. "The average blues singer has been taught to be ashamed of the blues. It was America's original art and it came from black people. So naturally they wanted to make us ashamed of it - and they did a good job of brainwashing. Now, it's almost too late," the 70-year-old bluesman said during an interview in his Southwind Motor Coach as he waited to go on. "I don't know what the young people are going to do. But if we don't get a new generation to do something about it, I don't know what's going to happen. They're calling blues everything but blues. They're calling it soul and rock-and-roll, but it's still the damn blues. I wish I knew if the young people are going to take it over, but I don't."
Al Green (standing) and Willie Mitchell in an undated photograph.
Luther Dickinson plays with the North Mississippi All Stars at Memphis In May Music Festival May 4, 2007
Ann Peebles in a photograph dated July 5, 1969. WDIA's Starlite Revue at the Mid-South Coliseum Saturday evening, July 5, 1969. Peebles, Hi Studio's latest hit artist sang a medley of soul sounds. More than 9,500 attended the performance of Peebles, Rufus Thomas, Little Milton and others.
Premro "8 Ball" Smith fans show some love for their Memphis hero after a performance at the Martini Room in Memphis May 4, 2009. 8 Ball and MJG were the first rappers in Memphis to have a platinum "1 million copies" selling record.
Funky Chicken creator Rufus Thomas gets down to a dance on November 24, 1973.
Sam and Dave (Sam Moore and Dave Prater) in an undated handout photograph.
Domingo Samudio "Sam The Sham" entertains at the 14th Annual Premier Players Awards March 31, 1999, at The Pyramid. The Memphis Chapter of the National Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences, Inc. honored Johnny Cash with the Governor's Award.
Scotty Moore plays the Memphis Hero Awards at the Cannon Center April 13, 2004.
W.C. Handy, father of the blues, stopped December 3, 1952 to salute The Commercial Appeal-American Legion Christmas Basket Fund at the Park Lane Mile-O-Dimes booth. The composer was attending the annual Blues Bowl football game later that night at Melrose Stadium.
Goner Fest rocked January 5, 2005, at the Buccaneer, 1368 Monroe, with a wild array of regional and national indie rock acts. Monsieur Jeffrey Evans gets rock star treatment as Jacqueline Recht gives him a kiss.
Blind Mississippi Morris performs at the Blues Shack during the Beale Street Music Festival May 3, 2008.
Mavis Staples performs during rehearsals for the STAX 50th Anniversary Concert June 22, 2007, at the Orpheum.
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Throughout all of time one thing very prevalent in our evolution is our want and desire to connect faster and more efficiently to each other. As we continue this path will it eventually lead to a connection of our brains themselves? would our selfishness for individuality keep us from hooking our own brains to the rest of the world as a whole? or would we realize that it would eliminate violence, corruption, greed, selfishness, lying, cheating, stealing, organized religions, war, nationalism, irrationality and with ALL individuals being unintelligent. Would we give up our own individuality in order to become one with everyone? to become one mind with many bodies??
May 2 2013: Absolutely not. Never. Then, on the other hand, it's already happening: First, the fear and angst; then 'the embedded chip'; then one currency; then one gov't; then you're either a citizen or an outcast; then the outcasts are eliminated; then we're all the same, thinking the same, with no individuality; then a crisis comes beyond the ability of our now 'oneness', with no diversity, no alternate view; then we die. 'Oneness' is poison. 'Oneness' is weak. 'Oneness' is crawling under the covers hoping it will all go away. We're not a 'melting pot' but a salad bowl, each offering our own distinct 'flavor' to enhance the meal, brought in from different farms, different lands, different ways of cultivating. Without what each uniqueness has to offer the meal is bland, tasteless, useless, without nutrition, and no one wants it - especially me.
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May 3 2013: No your thinking of this as a bad thing just because we'd all be the same doesn't make us less diverse or weak in fact it's the opposite. Individuality is weak and cause unfathonable amounts of pain to our species. If we were of one mind we'd be stronger more efficient more compassionate than ever before. We wouldn't kill the people that don't join this one mind we would just let them die off in thier own time. A one world mind means we are immortal and have the knowledge and compassion of a whole species into one force. You are selfish of individuality thinking it is diverse or more superior somehow? the only reason it could be better is more minds to think creatively. But a single mind with the whole knowledge of the human race would be WAY WAY more creative and better than many individual minds in every single way. What is better one genius or many handicapped people?
May 3 2013: Charles, I don't know where to begin. We are from different realities. I wonder why democracies and free markets of trade are most successful with the greatest diversity, and why most other 'closed' societies are adapting more freedoms and inter-cultural exchanges? Can't be because diversity is good. I wonder why nature abhors relations between close relatives? Can't be because it seeks diversity. No, it's all just because of the need to cause pain. And thank you for allowing me to die off on my own time - very generous. So many other 'one way' philosophies have chosen to annihilate the non-believers, Also, good luck with that immortality part.
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May 3 2013: They aren't good because of diversity they are good because they are tightly connected and it is quick and easy to pass information to each other within the system. Because in a sense i agree with you in that a society cut off from the rest of the world gets lost in their own time North korea is a perfect example. But you can't say a society where it's encompassing the species as a whole can't be diverse. It has the minds and ideas of everyone together it just means they can transmit information faster than you can even think within your own brain (as this would be a highly advanced brain which is better than ours now)
And for the immortality part it's absolutely true if you right now at this instant put everything in your brain into a computer you would essentially become immortal not as your bodies individuality but everything you know and believe in would survive as long as that computer did (which could be thousands of years).May 2 2013: Communism of the mind. I don't like it. I believe the concept of one mind should apply to the shared similarities in goals, moral value and peace-seeking. We're not born joined at the hip, we shouldn't be.
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May 2 2013: yes, but we are very selfish of our own body and ego of self. You are using a negative term to describe something beautiful this would mean you are the world greatest artist greatest scientist all in one we would no longer kill fellow humans but all work together to one goal, improvement.
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May 2 2013: I like the way you think - very positive and hopeful. We would hope that everyone in the world held such a disposition - I suppose I fear that because we are not yet able to turn the TV news station on without viewing violence and corrupt nature in our fellow human beings, I fear the idea of a lack of self - a self in which you are able to promote your own (and thereby assist others) in promoting morality, education, hope, etc.
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May 2 2013: and we will never be able to do that as the individuals we are. With everyone being the same self improvement would be the exact same as improvement of our species as a whole. The only problem that i can see that could arise with this is the people with "bad" morals could affect everyone else as the mind as a whole. But i believe those morals are due to irrationalities that would be fixed with a large amount of unbiased information mixed with their morals making us good as a whole.
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May 2 2013: Kendl, do not give in. Someone is with you. This idea is a drug, in my opinion. The 'self' is all we have to offer. Please see comment above.May 3 2013: Give in? like i'm trying to indoctrinate her or something? It isn't a drug individuality is a drug the thought that we are special and the world is made for you and the universe revolves around us, all of these are on the same level. Individuality breeds selfishness which in turn makes greed which in turn produces violence. Would you really be so selfish as to turn down all the world as one mind and know that if you did join it all of those things i said WOULD disappear. As would you bite your own finger off? I truly believe this is what god is like one mind truly and utterly compassionate with the knowledge of trillions of minds all working together. And in a way aren't we already a one world mind? Internet, UN, cellphones and the united states government all of these have the idea of combining minds into one force and it has been proven a billion times over that together we are stronger and can keep the irrationalities of individuals to a minimum .May 2 2013: oh,I think the world would be so dull if it were going the way:One world mind.:)
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May 2 2013: why's that? not only would you be the worlds greatest artist, philosopher, but also be able to build the HC in your back yard is that really boring?
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May 4 2013: I wasn't trying to be rude with my first response i really liked your idea and wondered if it could be true. Now your response to that made it seem as you were offended somehow by me thinking of your idea as a possibility instead of just magic.May 4 2013: I do self-hypnosis I've heard hypnotists say the same. But that doesn't make it fake. The placebo effect is real. It is amazing how well some placebos work. Jung is not inconsiquential nor was Milton Ericson. I am neither saying pro nor con, but i just can't blow it off completely. Then there are other similiar arguments. Einstein said religion is not for nothing.Maybe we are talking about different things, and we can go many different ways with this Curt. Godspeed.
May 4 2013: That does make it fake it isn't the hypnosis it's placebo so it's fake. Yes the placebo effect does do something but you can do the same thing if you just trick your mind.
May 5 2013: Curt trick your mind if it works -It is your mind, isn't it. You wouldn't have told me that if you expected me to believe that. Godspeed.
May 5 2013: well you trick your mind in many various netgods and hypnosis would be one of them.May 3 2013: To Curt:
I like the line "God made you special and he loves you very much"
That being said...are you attributing your concept of idealism and "one mind" with the statement made by Jesus Christ in the Bible? (I noticed you mentioned God and evolution as leading us towards unity)
What do you mean by one mind? Do we all think the same exact thoughts? Would there be plurality in these thoughts? I don't understand this concept, unless you are considering that we are in fact individual bodies and not one entity (we must respect that God made the earth and formed man in this manner); now, one mind - do we all shower in our respective homes at the same time? Or, do we all have the common decency to respect each other in every way possible and obey the law? If we did not have individuality, where is there room for improvement in species? Genetic mutation often improves or declines a species - what about illness? Are we all to be of one sick mind? It sounds like you are considering a Utopian society in this sense, which would be completely doable in our current nature, as in we each have a body of our own to love and allow God to love, yet we all understand and appreciate the importance of morality, positive influence on one another and God's structure of the world, everchanging as we do see it to be.
May 3 2013: I never said God makes us more unified if anything organized religion does the exact opposite. So the beginning of the problem here is you believe in organized religion. This one mind system would bring all religions together with every bit of information out there and i believe when that happens we would realize how false organized religions are and they would simply disappear and become a part of history. And you are still thinking that this would be many individuals with the knowledge of all but it wouldn't be that we would be one person united in thought and morality. We would not only respect our fellow bodies but love them as we love ourselves compassion would be rampant. Also at this state evolution would probably be a thing of the past and we would make and alter our own future of evolution. Also how does a mind get sick? you mean like mental disorders?? because those would be eradicated as people with those problems are simply misinformed. Your idea of Jesus christ making us "special" is on the same lines of the earth being made for us, us being in the center of the universe that revolves around us. We are selfish in this sense but the truth is we are just as special in the same way every wave an snowflake is different and unique. We really are not special and that idea is from us not wanting to accept the fact that we are not something the universe has been waiting for. To the universe we are as special as the earthworms beneath our feet.May 3 2013: A provocative concept Mr. Curt. Your first premise is debatable. "Throughout all of time one thing very prevalent in our evolution is our want and desire to connect faster and more efficiently to each other. " Many of the global conflicts past, present, and future, are the result of the very opposite of this premise. Communists do not want to connect faster and more efficiently with Free Market Capitalists. The same is true for White Supremicists and Blacks, or Yankees & Red Sox fans, Liberals & Conservatives, Islamics & Jews, etc. etc. You are correct that the eradication of ANY AND ALL differences between any of the 7-billion individuals on Earth would eliminate conflict. It would also eliminate every joy in life by way of collateral damage. No, no, a thousand times no! Thank you!
May 3 2013: Again the reason these people and groups don't connect with each other and even push each other away is because of their selfish individuality that make them fight over various issues. If we had one one mind those problems you mentioned would disappear. As for the removal of joy i don't get that? why would joy be removed, joy is triggered from many many different things. If we were all the same our joy would be from technological innovations and the advancement of our species. Yes you get some joy you get from individuality but A lot of it has nothing to do with that. you get joy from self fulfilment and inward enlightenment along with other major material things. Imagine the joy the entire worlds population being happy with something. That joy would be more than any individual could ever experience as our species as a whole would expirience it and that would be unimaginably beautiful.
May 3 2013: Charles, you support your idea with the assumption that all these adversarial groups I mentioned have some "want and desire to connect faster and more efficiently". That is NOT true. Perhaps they should have such a desire, and perhaps you have an idea that would make it possible, but the way things are now and always have been clearly show that your assumption is NOT true. You are building on sand, sir.
May 3 2013: ALL humans have the deep want to connect to others even those who are introverts it is deep rooted in our biology. And the truth is as long as people have nothing to fight over we get along it is prevalent in all of history. And yes i agree with you in the respect that humans now are selfish immoral and would never sacrifice their own mind for a mind as a while. But to say this can and will not happen is impossible to say we WILL have this choice in our future of either staying as a race of individuals or a race as a whole. The truth is this issue will not be a problem for us until far into the future but to say it will never become an issue is like saying we will never become more technologically advanced as we are at this point in time which is simply false.May 3 2013: also, I don't get how I am "building on sand" I don't want an argument on the the argument I want people to think of this future issue as our generation will never experience this.May 3 2013: RE: "all humans have the deep. . . ". Ah well, Charles. You can continue to chalk-up tension between all the groups I mentioned as being due to introverted personalities, but I cannot disagree more. You say such belief is a strong foundation for your idea for the betterment of future generations, and I applaud you for your motive, but I wish you would re-examine the strength of that fundamental premise. All the best in your noble pursuit young man. Do not be discouraged.
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May 3 2013: Love this! it's fantastically insane haha. But as a reality think of the truth here the only way it could be true is our first dna ancestor was an alien cell brought here by an asteroid. Meaning it was in its genetics to run from the sun because the alien cell knew of this. But the only cell possible of planspermia are the extrema cells that can survive almost anything. But they are Extremely simple and there is no way those simple cells could get onto an asteroid and fly to this planet unless a "god" alien race sent it here for literally no reason.
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May 4 2013: I'm not a myth builder i was taking your insane idea and wondered if it could ever be real. Also i have literally no idea what you meant by the other 3/4 of your paragraph Are you saying you believe in human psychic abilities?May 2 2013: I think of a "one world mind" as something that emerges out of many individual minds, much as an ant colony emerges out of ants, only much more so. I don't think that means being like a borg though, at least not any more than we are now. (I could start to think of many ways in which we *already are* like the borg.) I think a world mind is very different in nature to our own minds.
I think of it more like whether a world-wide culture could develop, out of which self-consciousness might emerge (or maybe already has for all I know). We might be completely unaware of such a mind.
But I think your question talked about a more hard-wired connection with our brains. Looking at a one world mind as a sort of parallel processing system with our brains acting as individual nodes, I don't think that is where we are headed as a species. However, I do think we have to be careful about the potential to abuse such connections into the brain. I look at that is not different in kind from propaganda, brain washing, marketing, and other methods of influence and control - only much more powerful.
Sometimes our government, society, and culture seem to me like living things, similar to a one world mind - battle of the memes and all that. These things survive the death of individuals and last thousands of years.
May 3 2013: Great comment! yes a one world mind could be like ants but, I'm thinking more of all minds being connected into one system making everyone one person so our whole species would one.May 3 2013: oh an i actually like that idea of allowing people to connect and disconnect to this system. But the truth is people would like the feeling of knowing everything instead of being one unintelligent mind. I think in the beginning we would have individual nodes but as it progressed we would simply stay in the system and never leave.May 2 2013: I just think it's funny that organized religion is lumped in with cheating, stealing, and war.
May 2 2013: why? religion is a major cause of all of those and with everyone having the knowledge and know how they wouldn't believe in set religious organizations
May 2 2013: I think if you'll look closely at history you'll find that in most of the cases where religion was involved in those, it wasn't actually religion but religion being used as an excuse by politics, greed, and corrupt leaders. There are plenty of corrupt and evil religions in the past. There are also plenty of corrupt and evil governments in the past. Lots of people say "Therefore, all religion is evil" but no one says "Therefore, all government is evil" for some reason. Now why is that?
May 2 2013: i didn't say all of them but inquisition is a good example of it but also the fall of rome and many other killings it may have been political but that still doesn't get around the fact that if the religious base wasn't there it wouldn't have happenedMay 2 2013: See Armand Mcgill's book on Mysticism and Magic in india. Also, you may be advocating mere gnostic thought. What about the stoic concept of the Cosmos?
May 2 2013: i'm talking of science not magic we have already connected to brains of mice not humans yes but it's genesis
May 3 2013: Okay Charles maybe I am being naive but this man who lived to be very old was one of the World's most famous hypnotists. Whether this connection really existed I don't know I just thought a comment about distance knowing that used to exist was interesting and almost Jungian.
May 3 2013: hypnotism has been proven to be fake. The only way it ever works is the person being "hypnotized" has a placebo effect but it's truly all in their own head. Humans have no super powers anyone who says different you will see only wants something from you.May 2 2013: Like the Borg?
What did the Buddhist monk say to hot dog vendor?
Make me one with everything.
May 2 2013: ummm i guess? never knew that's the borg's thing but it wouldn't be like that you would have the knowledge of everyone from the greatest scientist to the greatest artist you could paint a picture of all the artist mind into one painting this wouldn't be a bad thing it would be one step closer to becoming god
May 2 2013: Charles.
How could you paint the greatest painting? Others could do the same so it wouldn't be different nor the greatest.
Only the greatest stands out from the rest.
And there would be no real reason to do so.
All the same of one mind, sounds very boring to me and is not unlike what the powers that now be, are trying to achieve or create in their own way. To some degree.
Everyone think the same, believe the same, act the same and speak the same.
Basically, with your idea everyone is the same and there really is no distinction nor could there be.
And by the way, I really don't believe that individuality is the cause of your short list of " violence, corruption, greed, selfishness, lying, cheating, stealing, organized religions, war, nationalism, irrationality" and so on.
There are other causes and they are never dealt with. People are constantly being misled into looking at other false reasons and causes for these ills because those that profit off of them do not want them solved. These by the way, are the people most vote for, believe in and trust. Pity.
May 2 2013: you are still thinking that all of our bodies are individuals. We would all be one person how that's boring i do not know we would solve world hunger as the people starving would fix it you could be in a spaceship going to mars but also in france painting the eiffel tower. And the motivation for the greatest people is not to stand out but to be the best and improve we would improve on a massive scale.
and yes it would solve ALL those problems and more. The simple way to prove it is to ask, would you bite off your own finger?
people are misled by individuals if you were one person with the entire knowledge of the human race none of those problems would occurMay 2 2013: IF we evolved to that point, it would not be of one mind, it would be basically identical to the internet. This ability would be immensely valuable to the scientific community though
May 2 2013: no it wouldn't be like the internet because if we were one brain we would be one person


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This was pretty bland! It's an ok starter recipe, but I managed to doctor it up by adding 1/2 packet of taco seasoning mix and 1/2 jar of medium salsa. Instead of the American Cheese I used 1/2 cup of Taco Blend Cheese. I added 1 can of black beans (rinsed and drained) and 1 cup of frozen corn. I topped it with sour cream, black olives, and tortilla strips....so basically it ended up being a totally different recipe, but at least it tasted great!
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My whole family loved this very easy dish. I used cream of mushroom soup, because I didn't have any cream of celery soup. It came out delicious!
Two simple additions make this recipie a family pleaser. Add 1tbsp of onion seasoning and 1tbsp of garlic seasoning. That gives it the extra flavor it needs. I used shredded cheese (it is what I had on hand) but I think it would be fine as written. Tip: don't have your burner too high after you add the potatoes, it can burn to the pan.
I changed this recipe. I used cheddar cheese instead of american, mushroom soup instead of celery. I used some tomato paste with water and took out the ketchup and worcestershire sauce. I added garlic and onions. It was excellent.
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