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The stranger—at 6 feet 4—first greeted the man's dog, Bella, a Belgian shepherd, before launching into his standard doorstep greeting: "I'm Jefferson Smith, and I'm running for mayor."
Griffin talked to Smith about crime: Thieves had broken into his pickup truck twice in the past three months. What was Smith going to do about that?
Smith showed sympathy by turning the conversation back to his own experience: Crime in his outer-eastside neighborhood is a big problem. "I got my car swiped," Smith said—and noted ruefully that police later found the vehicle, so he didn't get an insurance settlement.
Still, the two seemed to bond. But when Smith turned to go, he looked back at Griffin, who was wearing gym shorts and a T-shirt.
"Get some shoes on," Smith said.
Puzzled, Griffin agreed he probably should.
"I'm just glad you're wearing pants," Smith added.
Normally, candidates who knock on doors to ask for votes steer clear of cutting humor and sarcasm.
At another house, Smith talked education with a young father named Buddy Herrlinger for 10 minutes, then left the man gaping when he blurted as he stepped off the porch, "I'm opposed to public schools. I'm just against them."
Smith says his attempts at levity with voters make canvassing bearable. "I can only do this if it's fun," he says.
Mocking the very voters he's trying to woo captures the essential contradictions of Jefferson Smith.
He's a Harvard law graduate and two-term state legislator who founded a nonprofit that's grown into one of the highest-profile Oregon political movements in decades—and yet he often still acts like a college freshman.
"There are so many WTF moments with Jefferson," says Caitlin Baggott, who last year succeeded Smith as executive director of the Bus Project, the voter-engagement group Smith co-founded.
Baggott calls such moments "delightful." But for others, the cerebral man-child now running for mayor is a head-scratcher—the smartest kid in class who's too busy cracking jokes to bother buying textbooks.
Smith joined the mayor's race late and has scrambled to catch up with the other two leading candidates—businesswoman Eileen Brady and former City Commissioner Charlie Hales.
Over the past decade, Smith drove the Bus—as his organization is known—with hard work and the motivational skills of a revival preacher. He made it a magnet for young people who never knew they cared about political activism.
As the Bus grew, Smith's dominance of the organization sometimes lent the appearance of a cult of personality.
That's transferred to this campaign, where Smith has presented ideas about making Portland a more equitable city but has mostly presented the idea of Jefferson Smith himself.
Smith says he's in politics to "do things, not be somebody." His allies point out—accurately—that he passed up earning millions as a lawyer for poverty-level wages. Smith leads the campaign in volunteers and Facebook friends, and earned two key labor endorsements—from the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees and the Portland Association of Teachers.
He campaigns like a July 4th sparkler: bright, firing off in many directions, and subject to abrupt flameouts.
Smith's energy is legendary. He penned the Bus Project's best-known slogan—"VOTE, FUCKER"—at 3 am. He's loud, pumps out words faster than a laser printer and windmills his arms around so much some lobbyists call him "the crab." Salem insiders say Smith is, at 38, only now learning to listen more than talk.
He can be folksy one moment and impossibly dense the next, spewing out lists laden with jargon and punched up with words like "cognizable," "concomitant" and "technocracy." He even baffles friends with the term he uses for his job-creation strategy: "economic gardening."
"Jefferson doesn't talk to people the way they talk," says Joe Baessler, the Bus Project's first employee and now political director for AFSCME in Oregon. "He has a tendency to come up with his own phraseology."
Smith's ability to appear simultaneously brainy and incomprehensible isn't his only challenge.
There's also the matter of experience. He wants to run the City of Portland, which has nearly 7,000 employees and an all-funds budget of $3.5 billion. His proof he can do it: his experience in leading the Bus, which has 14 employees and a total budget of about $1.25 million.
Yet Smith is scattered and chronically late, and has shown an inability to handle basic administrative tasks. The Bus has routinely filed paperwork late or inaccurately. And there are serious questions about how transparent the Bus has been and whether its claims of nonpartisanship are a ruse as it plays favorites with Democratic candidates.
"Being mayor is not a job where you get to pontificate on the issues of the day," says Liz Kaufman, a veteran Democratic political organizer who has worked with Bus volunteers. "It's a serious job where you have to manage a big operation every day."
Kaufman says her dealings with the Bus convinced her not to support Smith, and she is leaning toward Hales.
Smith says he's worked hard to address his shortcomings, and takes pride in surrounding himself with the best and the brightest.
"I move fast and I talk fast," he says, "but I have the ability to zoom back and forth between the big picture and granular details."
R.P. "Joe" Smith traces his family tree back to Joseph Smith, who in 1830 founded the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the founder was his great-great-great uncle). His great-grandfather became president of the Mormon Church.
Although Joe Smith, 76, is estranged from the church, he treasures his Mormon upbringing in a small Utah town.
"I grew up with a great sense of the gifts that I have enjoyed from my heritage," he says.
Joe Smith had lofty political goals. The legendary U.S. Sen. Wayne Morse was a close family friend.
"When I was 16 years old, I knew I wanted to grow up and become a U.S. senator," he says.
But Joe Smith spent his career on the fringes of power. After winning election as Umatilla County district attorney, he lost bids for attorney general in 1972 and 1980.
Still, he clung to a starry-eyed view of good government, which his son says he believes in above all else.
"Dad's first governing value was making the world better," Jefferson Smith says, "which was different than taking care of your family."
Joe Smith, who is his son's unpaid legislative intern, says he's not living vicariously through Jefferson.
"But I feel a strong desire to leave things better than I found them," he says. "I feel Jefferson could be a great gift to those who come after me."
Jefferson Smith was born in 1973 and—he says—was probably conceived on the campaign trail. (His older brother, Lincoln, declined to be interviewed.)
His parents split, and from sixth grade on Smith grew up with his father in a historic Irvington duplex family and friends call the "Smith compound."
"It was the kind of place where you would find a copy of The Federalist Papers on the bookshelf," says John Wykoff, a boyhood friend of Smith's.
At Grant High School, Smith was student body president and was elected attorney general at Oregon Boys State.
Smith was a high-energy prankster, better known for his quick thinking than for hitting the books. He says he was a comic-book nut and Blazermaniac, and aspired to be general manager of the Los Angeles Dodgers.
"He was a big, bouncy kid," recalls Grant High teacher Doug Winn, Smith's mock trial coach. "He knew how to boil things down to short phrases that condensed everything. His delivery was very measured but forceful."
Smith's mother died when he was a senior, and he ended up at the University of Oregon. He was, by his own estimation, a distracted and lousy student. After two aimless years, his father suggested he take a year off.
Smith worked with juvenile delinquents in Lane County and with underprivileged kids in Washington, D.C.
That year, a friend suggested that Smith's erratic behavior was a sign of a bigger problem. Smith was examined and began taking medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.
"Medication helped," Smith says. "More importantly, I learned coping mechanisms."
Years of unambiguous success followed. Smith excelled during the rest of his time at UO. At Harvard Law School, he landed prestigious summer associate positions at three of the nation's leading law firms—Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher in Los Angeles; Covington & Burling in Washington, D.C.; and Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati in Silicon Valley—finished in the top 10 percent of his class, and won a coveted clerkship with Judge Alfred Goodwin of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
"He pulled several all-nighters," says Calandrillo, a professor at the University of Washington School of Law. "[He] put together really impressive memos for the judges."
One day in the basement of the federal courthouse in Pasadena, Calif., Smith and Calandrillo discovered a tiny elevator, its car about 3 feet tall. Smith folded his lanky frame and climbed in.
Calandrillo hit the "door close" button and suddenly realized he had no idea where the elevator went or whether Smith could breathe. He ran upstairs and found the shaft led to the law library; the elevator was for hauling books."He was fun-loving," Calandrillo says, "and he was taking this ride even though he never knew where it would come out."


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In the NFC they have a real shot to go to the superbowl. Watched there game today they played really well.
...gone 9-2 and nobody seems to be talking about them. Sounds like they have a legit shot at representing the NFC in the superbowl this season. And Tony may finally get a shot at his long sought-after ring. Too bad he couldn't had just stayed put for a couple more years and got his ring right here. It would have meant so much more to him and his fans if he had just stayed right here...
I'm still bummed about that whole situation.
Go Chiefs!
In the NFC they have a real shot to go to the superbowl. Watched there game today they played really well.
Once they get out of the friendly confines of their home territory, all bets are off. But that's the last team I would want to play on the road. Matt Ryan is flawless at home.
Diehard Fan Living in Packer Territory
Co-Founder: 2 Mugs Fantasy Football -- a site about and football!
I usually don't mind Jamie Dukes' commentary on the NFL Network, at least as much as many others appear to. But since the Falcons have been winning he seems to think he is 100% right about everything he says. Like his analysis on the Falcons winning makes his other decisions which have been in and around 50 / 50, absolutely 100% right.
Man did he get arrogantly annoying or have I been missing this all along.
Oh, and... Booooo Falcons!!! Sorry, never been a fan...
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Court Adjourns Castle logging issue until time in schedule to hear the whole case
Commenting, "I have a court room full of people, there is a significant issue going on here," Court of Queen's Bench Justice, Rosemary Nation, concluded that there should be court time scheduled to expeditiously hear all the arguments regarding the closure of the Castle Special Management Area to public use in order to allow clear-cut logging and the area residents that blocked the logging equipment from starting. "This is a highly contentious matter."
Both the lawyers for four of the five residents named on the January 30th Court Order and for Alberta Sustainable Resource Development (SRD) agreed that they would like the case heard on February 24th. Justice Nation directed them to the Chief Justice to discuss scheduling of a court date and that has now been set for the 24th at Court of Queens Bench in Calgary.
In the interim, until the Court can hear the whole case on February 24th, the Court Order enforcing SRD's closure of the logging site to public access remains in effect. Any member of the public without permission from SRD to be in the closed area would be breaking the Court Order and can be arrested. Construction of the logging road started Wednesday morning after four of the 35 people present were arrested for refusing to leave the site.
Governor General Award winning author, Sid Marty; second generation outfitter Mike Judd and three other area residents, Gordon Petersen, Tim Grier and Diana Calder were served with a Court Order on January 30th, indicating that they and all members of the public had to obey SRD's closure of that public forest to public use.
Without public notice or consultation, SRD issued an 81 square kilometer logging license covering the recreation core of the Castle Special Management Area. The license is within former Waterton Lakes National Park land and what the province had designated as a Special Place protected area for "preserving Alberta's natural heritage". Half of the mature forest within the license is scheduled for clear-cutting over the next three winters, including over logging over designated summer and winter recreation trails. Some clear-cuts will even abut the campgrounds.
The province isn't contractually obligated to have clear-cutting in the protected area. In the public interest, SRD can move the logging to any alternate location and the Forest Act specifies that no compensation is due from taxpayers to the company, as long as they are given 30-days notice.
- Sid Marty, 403 628-2331, firstname.lastname@example.com
- Gordon Petersen, Castle-Crown Wilderness Coalition: 403 627-3732 email@example.com
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Off late, I've been researching on several ways to launch programs/files/folders/web sites.
I've tried
a) adding a menu in DOpus but realized that I have to switch to its window and click on the menu to get to the items
1) Added a menu in PhraseExpress and set a hotkey ctrl+M to bring up the menu. I still have to press a hot key to bring up the menu
2) Similar hotkey menu activation using PS Hot Launch (better than DOpus method because the individual items automatically get a letter by which they can be selected)
c) Launchy, FARR etc.: I have to press a key like Alt+space to bring up the floating command line. Of course this method has the added advantage that you need not manually add items to the menu as they get auto picked from Program Files.
d) LaunchOnFly: This brings up the menu simply by moving mouse to one of the 4 screen edges or corners. Excellent! Here are some screens:
I'm using the last free version which can be downloaded from here.
Are there any similar better free programs that brings up a menu by simply mousing over a region of the screen?
How about you? What do you use?


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WARNING: this article is obsoleted. Please refer to http://nginx.org/en/docs/ for the latest official documentation.
This module makes available variables, whose values depend on the IP address of the client. When combined with Geo IP module allows for very elaborate rules serving content according to the geolocation context.
Here'a an example configuration:
geo $geo { # the variable created is $geo default 0; 127.0.0.1/32 2; 192.168.1.0/24 1; 10.1.0.0/16 1; }
|geo [ $address ] $variable { ... }
This directive describes the dependency of the value of the defined variable on the client's IP address. By default, the IP address used for doing the lookup is $remote_addr, but since version 0.7.27 it is possible to specify an another variable.
Note that in the case of an invalid IP address, the value 255.255.255.255 is used.
Here we're using
geo $arg_remote_addr $geo { (...) }
IP addresses are enumerated in CIDR notation. There are four parameters for this directive:
- delete – deletes the specified network (0.7.23).
- default - the value of the defined variable, if the client address does not correspond to any of the enumerated addresses in the directive clauses. Any IP address not matching the enumerated IP adresses is matched by this clause that sets the value of the defined variable.
- include - specifies a file mapping addresses to values of the defined variable.
Multiple files can be included.
- proxy - specifies the address of a proxy server (requires Nginx version ≥ 0.8.7). NEED MORE DESCRIPTION...
- ranges – specifies that the IP addresses enumerated are in the form of ranges (requires Nginx version ≥ 0.7.23) instead of CIDR notation. This directive must precede all other .
In the file conf/geo.conf:
10.2.0.0/16 ru; 192.168.2.0/24 ru;
The value will be the the one with maximum agreement. For example, the IP address 127.0.0.1 will get the value "ru", but not "us".
Example with ranges:
geo $country { ranges; default no; # note that ranges precedes all other directives 127.0.0.0-127.0.0.0 us; 127.0.0.1-127.0.0.1 ru; 127.0.0.1-127.0.0.255 us; 10.1.0.0-10.1.255.255 ru; 192.168.1.0-192.168.1.255 uk; }


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DURHAM, N.C. - Senior Evan Schwartz has garnered Atlantic Coast Conference Male Swimmer of the Week honors, as announced Tuesday by the conference office.
Schwartz, a native of Cincinnati, Ohio, received the weekly accolade for the first time in his career after recording three new personal bests at last weekend's Cavalier Invite in Charlottesville, Va. He swept the breaststroke titles at the two-day meet, with his mark of 55.41 in the 100-yard breaststroke ranking him ninth in the conference heading into next week's ACC Championships. Schwartz also ranks in the top 10 in the ACC at the 200-yard distance after clocking a personal-best 2:01.24 in a first-place finish.
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This conversation is closed.
Discuss the note to the TED community on the withdrawal of the TEDxWestHollywood license.
For discussion: http://blog.ted.com/2013/04/01/a-note-to-the-ted-community-on-the-withdrawal-of-the-tedxwesthollywood-license
RJ Thomas
Apr 4 2013: This is an important turning point for the TED community. The debate between good science and bad science is not an open and shut case. Rupert Sheldrake has a long track record and so does many people who I assume are invited to speak at TEDx events. What would be more interesting is to let the community decide i.e. by voting the videos up or down on the TEDx website. In the case where an entire event is cancelled, I expect a rigorous debate like this to take place.
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Steve Stark
Apr 4 2013: I agree fully Ramon. The problem being that nobody from TED will really debate the issue officially. Instead they just keep hanging these pages out there and then paying no heed to the vast majority view. Moreover, the only point made by most of those with TED badges under their name (you being a notable and refreshing exception), is that TED can decide whatever it wants to promote and that's that. Yet nobody is disagreeing with that. The issue being discussed is whether TED's decision was the right one. Yet when this is roundly rejected, nobody from TED will stand up and defend it with anything other than name-calling and patently false claims. Thus many now feel there isn't any genuine debate at all but merely a pointless blog and an already made decision/policy the real reasons for which are not on display and certainly not up for debate.
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Apr 4 2013: TED indeed is paying heed to the vast majority view of TEDx organisers, speakers, attendees and viewers. That's why events like the west holloywood event will not go ahead under the TEDx brand.
Apr 4 2013: Well the vast majority you refer to hasn't been in evidence here or in the previous debates over the last few weeks.Apr 4 2013: And apart from this vast majority's lack of presence on these threads, which is self-evident, wouldn't we need some survey data or something?Apr 4 2013: Well some perspective. TEDx is a media organization with over 1 billion views of it's content. This conversation does not even have 50 participants. The vast majority of TEDx organizers, attendees and viewers probably doesn't even know there IS a debate and even if you were to corner them and force the issue three seconds of checking their credulities before dismissing you is likely all the consideration you will get. TEDx staff on the other hand have taken this debate seriously and have put their best and considerable effort into devining the lines between good science, bad science, pseudoscience and "ideas worth spreading" and those that are not.
http://blog.tedx.com/post/37405280671/a-letter-to-the-tedx-community-on-tedx-and-bad-scienceApr 4 2013: Steve, I'd give you a thumbs up, but TED has disabled that option for me. I wonder what other dirty tricks TED will use in it's failed bid at damage control?
Apr 4 2013: Yeah, I keep getting the response that I can't thumbs up someone who is sharing the same internet connection! You, eg, (and about 3 others) are supposed to be sharing the same internet connection with me.Apr 4 2013: Dear Sandy and Steve,
I also could not give thumbs up today, and got the message that I cannot rate someone sharing the same internet connection.....which, of course, is not the case. No need to get our nickers in a knot....I'm sure it's probably a technical challenge:>)Apr 4 2013: Thanks Colleen, knickers duly untangled.Apr 4 2013: I did send two messages to TED about it, but they haven't answered. It seems rather suspicious that I can thumbs up someone like John, but not you. Almost as if they are trying to manage who gets thumbs up in the conversations now.
EDIT: You're right Colleen. And it seems to be fixed now. (I just wish I could respond to individual posts, like Colleen's).
Apr 4 2013: john needs a few though.Apr 4 2013: hehehehehe....
He hasn't got anything nice to say about TED, so they aren't going to help him out. I'm not sure if he likes anyone or anything.
Apr 4 2013: I actually voted up one of John's comments. It was the one where he mistakenly thought Krisztina 'Z' Holly was having a go at TED and criticised her when, unbeknowst to him, he actually supported with what she had said.
sandy stone
Apr 4 2013: Yes, I've noticed that he does get confused. hehehehe....
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I guess between editing Wikipedia to say what he wants it to, and making sure no one reads Nature articles he doesn't agree with, John has trouble keeping track of everything.
Apr 5 2013: Thanks for the laugh!
Speaking of Wikipedia, there used to be an article on "alternative history", which was deleted and now redirects to pseudoarcheology. This is what passes for neutral point of view now on Wikipedia. As always, the Talk and History pages are a must read on controversial subjects. You get to see who does most of the writing and how they think.
Jess Boldt
Apr 3 2013: Personally, I believe that TED has every right to withdraw speakers or events as they see fit. It's their brand and they have a right to manage it. But where things get sticky, from my point of view, is when they discredit speakers, many with impecable credentials, as a way to justify their actions. It's brand management gone wild. It seems obvious that TED has an opinion in the debate of reductive materialism. Let's face it. You don't give James Randi (a man with 0 scientific credentials and a sketchy history of bending the truth, and supporter social Darwnism) the stage while decrying the presence of Dr. Sheldrake without making a bold statement of what your brand supports. If TED wants to be a mouth piece for the James Randis and Michael Shermers of the world, fine. That is their right. But they should be ashamed by dragging others through the mud to justify their actions. Or at least do the proper thing and facilitate a public debate. Let the public decide, or at least be exposed to some differing ideas on either side. Is it censorship? I suppose it could fit the definition, but why get hung up on that word? Maybe hostile brand management is a better term. I don't know. But it seems obvious TED is having trouble owning up to their position, which is a shame. It's not the character one would expect from a venue touting out the brand of open dialogue and exciting ideas.
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Apr 3 2013: Awesome post. These are questions to ask over and over again over the next 12 days. TED did publish a letter to all TEDx organisers on recognizing bad science, http://blog.tedx.com/post/37405280671/a-letter-to-the-tedx-community-on-tedx-and-bad-science , so there is at least one public statement of their thinking.
Katie McClymont
Apr 3 2013: Chris Anderson: '...We're all committed to open enquiry. But also to appropriate skepticism. Those two things can occasionally conflict. And when they do, we make our best judgement...'
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Chris, are you aware, you are censoring scientists (Targ, Dossey, Sheldrake, Schlitz, etc.) who have conducted proper long-term scientific lab research while allowing TED speakers such as James Randi, Michael Shermer, etc. talking upon subjects they are completely unqualified to comment upon since their research is unscientific and practically non-existent!
Apr 3 2013: Censoring?
sandy stone
Apr 3 2013: Yes, it is censorship. I know you've skirted around the issue by pretending that it isn't *really* censorship, but you are editing what the public is allowed to see for all intensive purposes.
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Do you really think censorship is the way to promote TED as the place for sharing ideas? Are Jerry Coyne's ideas the only ideas worth spreading now?
Russell Targ's research was published in Nature, one of the most mainstream forums for scientific work there is. And he was singled out by TED as somehow inappropriate. It's hard to imagine that work published in Nature back in the 1970's is far too advanced for TED.
Apr 3 2013: do you have a blog? because i have an article and i want to publish it on your blog. if no, facebook page will suffice.
Lewis Smart
Apr 3 2013: What you are doing is somewhat similar to soft censorship. Soft censorships is generally thought of as something that governments do, but in a world where NGOs and transnational corporations hold increasing power, I believe the term can be applied to actions by organisations who are taking over roles traditionally held by governments.
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Censorship in the book burning sense can not exist in a world that has an open and free internet. Either the word becomes archaic or it's meaning changes to suit the new situation.
Dave Troy
Apr 2 2013: TED has taken appropriate action in this case. The language used to market the event was not compatible with TED's branding, ethos, or values. For this reason alone it was appropriate to revoke the license.
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What people keep forgetting is that TED has no obligation to lend its brand to any event, or to publish any idea at all. TED has reserved the discretion to decide what content it wishes to associate with its brand. Those who disagree with its decisions should go start their own media companies and conferences that can highlight whatever ideas they like.
As an organizer of a major TEDx event (TEDxMidAtlantic) I appreciate the steps that TED is taking to defend its brand from fringe ideas and pseudoscience. Our team puts substantial effort into our event, and frankly, I don't want our hard work to be associated with a brand that would have sanctioned an event like the proposed TEDxWestHollywood.
You can say that I am closed-minded or not open to radical ideas — but you'd be wrong. I love a good romp through radical ideas as much as the next person. But I also know the difference between science and fantasy, and between rationality and imagination. The fact is that fringe, unproven, propositional ideas don't belong at TED.
If that comes as a disappointment to some, so be it. Perhaps you thought TED was something it is not. Ideally, those sufficiently let down will launch their own media company that lends its brand to practitioners of fantastical pseudoscience. Indeed: irrational conjectures worth contemplating.
Phil Klein
Apr 2 2013: Thank you for stating these key points so clearly.Apr 2 2013: @Dave
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The problem with what you say is that you appear privy to knowledge nobody in the scientific community has. That is, as it stands the evidence for psi is perplexing - nobody can explain it. And yet you seem to think it is imaginary, or a fantasy. Interested to hear how you arrived rationally at this conclusion. It seems to me your views are very anti-science.
Since you agree, I would also be interested in hearing how the "truths" espoused by Dave were reveled to you.
Apr 2 2013: Steve — I claim no knowledge of that topic, and don't think it's the issue at hand. I think the marketing for the event was unclear, poorly written and reflected negatively on the TED brand. The fact that TED could not resolve efforts to clarify the branding with the organizers was sufficient cause to revoke the license.
Apr 2 2013: You do claim knowledge. You talked of things being imaginary, and fantastical pseudoscience, and irrational conjectures. How do you know these things?Apr 2 2013: No, I don't claim knowledge, and please do not attempt to draw me into a discussion of parapsychology, because I won't participate in it.
What I said was that a curatorial direction which was based on a specious and poorly written theme was likely to include presentations which would fall into those categories.
Apr 2 2013: Well now it's far from clear what you're actually talking about. Indeed, your initial post now seems to fall within the realm of uninformed and irrational conjecture.Apr 2 2013: No. I said that the marketing materials were badly written, didn't make any sense, and were off-base for the TED brand — and sufficient cause alone for the revocation of the license.
Apr 2 2013: You said much much more than that. If that was all you had said I should have said nothing about it, but it wasn't so I did.Apr 2 2013: Yes, Steve, I wrote more words. Those words are my opinions. However, my opinions were not necessary to justify the single sufficient reason for the revocation of the license.
Therefore, attacking my opinions doesn't change the fact that revoking the license was justified.
Apr 2 2013: I didn't really attack them - I was simply perplexed by their oddity and suggested a problem which I thought required clarification. Clarification you don't want to provide it seems. Fair enough.Apr 2 2013: I agree TEDx can lend it's branding to whoever it chooses and I understand TED's largest audience is people like you, but you are not TEDx's only audience, Rupert Sheldrake's video has 200,000 views and they are TEDx customers with an opinion too, not just you. And yes, people can create their own events to present their own ideas, it's already being done, one poster rather hopeful at the possibility,
"perhaps exTED will become a badge of honour for future events rather than TEDx?
and eventually a bigger organisation than the lack-lustre lackeys of TED?
or maybe just BETTER THAN TED for openness, honesty and
see, already some ideas are happening to improve on the TEDx platform - "BETTER THAN TED for openness, honesty and truth" Like it? :)
Apr 2 2013: I love it, Gary! I hope that happens. However, the TED brand is a registered trademark, and could not legally be used in this context.
I suggest that whoever wants to embark on this come up with fresh and original branding, and create a brand that stands for ALL ideas, no matter their provenance, "reality-status," or focus.
The notion that TED should not spawn competition (or should be scared of it) is patently ludicrous. Go forth and compete! Build an audience around whatever ideas YOU enjoy!
Apr 2 2013: Thanks
John Hoopes
Apr 2 2013: Dave writes, "Ideally, those sufficiently let down will launch their own media company that lends its brand to practitioners of fantastical pseudoscience. Indeed: irrational conjectures worth contemplating."
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Of course, it will have to compete with several media enterprises that already exist, including:
Coast-to-Coast AM
21st Century Radio
Unknown Country
Gnostic Media
Reality Sandwich
Prison Planet
Perhaps the individuals clamoring for "alternative" ideas on TED feel that there is already too much competition for a new brand ("CRED"?) to be viable in an already overtaxed marketplace of fringe ideas. Perhaps they want to avoid the ideas that they think are worth spreading from being tainted by association with other ideas that they themselves identify as not worth spreading. Despite the clamoring for TED to get into the realms of pseudoscience and pseudohistory (oops, "science" and "history"), the fact is that there is a plethora of other outlets for these ideas that, quite frankly, have little credibility and are just not worth spreading.
Apr 2 2013: Agreed. Thanks for making my point crystal clear.
John Hoopes
Apr 2 2013: For what it's worth, Sheldrake, Hancock, and most of the West Hollywood speakers have been featured already on most of the websites listed. They have no lack of venues.
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Sheldrake on Coast-to-Coast
Hancock on Coast-to-Coast
Taylor on Coast-to-Coast
Targ on Coast-to-Coast
Dossey on Coast-to-Coast
Williamson on Coast-to-Coast
Schlitz on Coast-to-Coast
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/guest/schlitz-marilyn/5888Apr 2 2013: Very telling. What they lack is the imprimatur of a mainstream outlet, which I imagine they sought to obtain in TED.
From a practical standpoint, if a speaker has been featured in any of these venues that's a very good sign that they should not be featured by TED or TEDx.
Apr 2 2013: I think the legitimizing imprimatur is exactly what they seek. We've had fringe speakers invited to speak at my university (including pseudoscientific guests I've asked to make presentations in my course on critical thinking) who later tout that as evidence that their ideas have been blessed by the academy. It's a problem.
I predict you'll get a lot of hate mail for that last sentence. There are a few babies in that bathwater, but just a few.Apr 3 2013: Either you are with us or you are with the...pseudoscientists? To believe in the reality of psi phenomena does not force one to believe in *everything* presented on those shows you mentioned, or even in this field of science. Oh yes, it is science. Even if there is bad science in it and frauds underway. This is also the case in other areas of research. But this is an area that deserves and gets some (underfunded) true scientific research. Which underfunding may also drive researchers towards seeking money from other sources, like going to the public.Apr 5 2013: This is getting ridiculous.
If "Ideas worth spreading" exist exclusively in the scientific method, then I'm off.
Science is the servant of the imagination - not the master. Science will just disappear up its own fundamental orifice, if it carries on like this. And I'm afraid to say, so will TED if it doesn't change its idea of what it is that's worth spreading.
Open up, for God's sake. Sheldrake and Hancock are working hard at the cutting edge of science. Just because their work often shuns the stagnating boredom and safety of certainty, doesn't mean there's no outstanding value in it.
One has to put up with the inconveniences of being wrong, sometimes several times, in order to arrive at a cutting-edge 'right'. Most great scientists were great because they had the courage and determination to doubt conventional 'certainties' to arrive at new hypotheses and theories.
Dare to embrace imagination and creativity - and dare to be wrong. That's where the cutting-edge lies.
Apr 5 2013: *Very* funny, and true, Allan Macdougall. I'm going to use one of your phrases.Apr 1 2013: I am grateful and very appreciative of your efforts to look out for TED's focus which in turn shows respect for your presenters, attendees and followers...this is specially significant for me because I am a teacher and often play your conferences for my highschool students...your neutral, informative focus works exceptionally well in class since it opens their minds to the infinite possibilities around them...Thanks and much luck, Alexandra
Apr 2 2013: Neutral? Opens their minds to infinite possibilities? Shows respect for your presenters?
By removing talks of scientists with lab evidence? Specifically, why do you think these talks should have been removed?Apr 7 2013: TED might as well start deciding on what is really art or whether people should carry out radical ideas because some group or other thinks that it shouldn't be done, such as make use of solar energy or teach women to be entrepreneurs because it isn't the proper behavior in their culture. I am ashamed of TED for its decision in this matter. Maybe Lister was a pseudoscientist because he thought there were germs that were killing patients who were operated on.Apr 4 2013: TED has made its position clear: videos like Richard Dawkin's "Militant Atheism" contain "ideas worth spreading," while the videos of people engaged in scientific inquiry like Larry Dossey and Rupert Sheldrake do not.
It's become clear also that TED doesn't have a good sense of fair play or interest in discussion. Anonymous members of its science board get to veto any video that comes along without listing specific criticisms or coming forward to identify themselves and debate.
So this is a platform for dogmatic materialism, mechanistic medicine, and militant atheism, but not scientific inquiry.
That is fine with me. It is a free country, and there is plenty of room for militant atheists, dogmatic materialists, and others who like to blur the line between myth and science.Apr 3 2013: There are several issues that get jumbled in these conversations. TED can sanction whatever it wants, BUT to yank my event, with no warning, a little more than two weeks before it was to go, is wrong from all perspectives. We have no money from TED, although when this stuck pig squealed there was talk about reimbursing "sunk costs" – i.e. money we've already expended. We're told the "policy" is no money that would allow the event to proceed. So, my pocket or no event. And TED has ceased communicating about financial reimbursement. We were sponsored, selling tickets, and ready to roll when we lost sponsorship, had to refund ticket money to a TEDx event, and must take money out of our pockets to deliver to what becomes a questionably-sized live stream audience without TED's promotional help.
TED could have avoided ALL of the trouble by following its own stated practices. A mentor is supposed to come with the territory – what the 160 page manual says will be available. As we were diligent in following what was clear in the manual, we asked – begged – for someone to help us. All sorts of things come up that the manual doesn't account for, and our job would have been made easier and more efficient with a TED hand to hold that could have steered us off any wrong course we were perceived to be on. Our emails to people in our area, who seem to show up as helpful in the vague ethers that float around, haven't even been returned, and there was no TED help to find someone. We were on our own to conceive our program, and almost all questions we tried to run by TED weren't answered. So, look what happened. I'm not saying anything about what we, on our own, came up with – about how first-rate our program is – but let's get TED's culpability on the table. This dialogue could have been avoided had TED minded its own store, which also would have helped us in this monumental volunteer project we took on.
Apr 3 2013: Just to play devil's advocate Suzanne,you may get a comment akin to this - you say "our job would have been made easier and more efficient with a TED hand to hold that could have steered us off any wrong course," and yet TED says they held talks with you from December 2012. TED is a non-profit organization, they have to run a tight ship, surely TED's decisions on answering, (what sounds like numerous from you), emails are a matter of TEDx, either formally or imformally, ranking it's importance for action and dealing with it accordingly. What sort of emails were you sending and how many did you send!? You sound needy, can't you make an executive decision? because surely TED did answer the IMPORTANT questions, the ones that may affect their choice on their invovlement with the West Hollywood event.
Apr 4 2013: I'm just sayin'. Some good steers for TED here. A mentor from day one should be essential. The number one thing that would improve everything the most. Newbies are adrift in a sea of requirements. To get what TED wants it's elemental there needs to be better assistance. What TED was for us was speed-bumps on our path,
Do you want to stick with me sounding needy? Doesn't sound nice. Nor does your certainty about what you don't know.
Apr 4 2013: No,I do support you, just a trial run for you in science debating
Time Walker
Apr 4 2013: Here's what I don't understand. Maybe I missed it, but if TED has been holding talks with Suzanne and West Hollywood since 12/12, how did they not know they needed to pull the plug until late March? And why only since 12/12, if this has been under development for nearly a year.
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It just seems like this decision came awfully late in the game and is suspiciously timed, given what immediately preceded it.Apr 4 2013: This debacle is of your own making, and could have been avoided by you not trying to use the TED brand to promote pseudoscience.
sandy stone
Apr 4 2013: Peer-reviewed articles in journals like Nature are not "pseudo-science".
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Paul Nugent
Apr 4 2013: Nonsense. TED is about Ideas worth spreading. Let those who have ears to hear, hear; and then decide what is "pseudoscience". All new realities are ridiculed until they are found to be self evident.
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Apr 4 2013: Again your logical fallacy is, these discussions have generated record interest.
Why ignore the subject if its clearly such an important one? Or are you determined not to look at any perspective but your own?
Nate Mook
Apr 2 2013: Dave's point below sums up my feelings. But one point worth adding:
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Although I'm sure Larry Dossey and Rupert Sheldrake relish in playing victim here (as evidenced by Larry's post below) because they will get more attention to their work, speakers were not "singled out" here. It was the overall theme and approach of TEDxWestHollywood that drew concern, and TED did not simply make an immediate decision - they consulted with the organizer and could not find a mutually agreeable path forward. The event will still go on under a different branding, and nobody's work is being censored.
As Dave said, TED is under no obligation to license its brand out, and if it has concerns about an event's program, it very much should discuss with the organizer and revoke the license if necessary. For the long-term good of the TEDx community and ensuring some level of quality in an open system, I'm really pleased with TED's approach here. Moreover, they were transparent about the process and reasoning behind the decision.
Kudos to Lara Stein and the TED team for standing up for the rest of the TEDx community and making a tough decision.
Gary Dudding
Apr 2 2013: Nate Mook says: Although I'm sure Larry Dossey and Rupert Sheldrake relish in playing victim here (as evidenced by Larry's post below)"
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What? Larry's playing victim? Could you explain the evidence you're presenting?
"perhaps exTED will become a badge of honour for future events rather than TEDx?
and eventually a bigger organisation than the lack-lustre lackeys of TED?
or maybe just BETTER THAN TED for openness, honesty and
Nate Mook
Apr 2 2013: I was specifically referring to this comment from Larry, which yes, claims that TED is attacking him personally:
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"I can add my name to those of Rupert Sheldrake and Graham Hancock as speakers who find themselves in TEDx's crosshairs."Apr 2 2013: Wow Nate, saying that really screams victim. An unfortunate use of language maybe, but hardly screaming victim. Anyways I reread his post, I see now now it is full of vitriol and hard feelings end to end (sarcasm).Apr 1 2013: Thank you, Lara, for taking this difficult step to protect the integrity of TED and TEDx!
In doing so, you are defending not only an important brand, but the work of thousands of TEDx organizers around the world. We put our hearts and souls into this movement and feel partial ownership of it. It's the values of TEDx, upheld by important decisions like these, that makes it all worthwhile.
With much appreciation,
Apr 2 2013: Hearts and souls? Surely you mean biological brains with no souls, for all TED have done is to listen to political pressure groups who are opposing evidence for phenomena that doesn't neatly fit their world view.
Ellen Feig
Apr 1 2013: I normally don't weigh in on these issues as I trust the TEDx team to make the appropriate decision. However, I want to commend Lara and her team for acting responsibly and removing the license. As an educator, I use TED videos almost daily in my classroom; my students have come to expect quality, authenticity and interesting views without any commercial aspect. As a TEDx organizer, I have made clear to my presenters that I will not allow any of the TEDx rules to be violated and ask to see their presentations, including visuals, ahead of time. While it is nice to want to have a specific theme at a TEDx, the reality is that we have signed a license willingly with full knowledge of what is in the agreement. As with any legal agreement, TEDx has every right to hold us to the terms of that agreement. It bothers me when commentators argue this is censorship as it is not - like any branded organization TED has a responsiblity to its viewers/users to uphold the brand and as organizers we have the same.
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Apr 2 2013: As an educator, are you educated on the actual scientific experimental lab research of those TED has decided to remove without valid reason?
If this is all about branding and nothing to do with experimental evidence (which Targ, Sheldrake, Schlitz and others being censored have) then TED is merely adopting a prejudiced branding.
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Apr 5 2013: Thanks Debbie, I couldn't agree more
Time Walker
Apr 5 2013: "Among other things, the language must not be spiritual. This is a powerful form of censorship."
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It's a powerful form of censorship and would eliminate some of the greatest minds in the history of science. Einstein? Gone. As Sheldrake points out, he would also not have qualified for TED because of his lack of scholarly credentials when he did some of his greatest work.
Albert Einstein ~ "The most beautiful and most profound experience is the sensation of the mystical. It is the sower of all true science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead. To know that what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their primitive forms - this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness."
Maxim Godart
Apr 4 2013: I have never heard of Sheldrake nor Hancock before. Never heard of most the TED and TEDx speakers either before i heard of them. I like ideas though, especially when they can help us push our personal and collective understanding of who we are and what surrounds us. Does materialism and spiritualism are so exclusive that one has to reject the other to embrace one fully? The one who can say that god does not exist and science can and should explain everything is a fool. The one who says that god does exist and he alone is the maker of all things is a fool. But why bother debating? What is the risk of opening up to unconventional scientific ideas? How one defines progress? Where does it start?
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Not long ago questioning our beliefs in the irrefutability of the effectiveness of antibiotics and the inability of microbes to adapt to environmental threats and affirming that these will result in what we know now would have been considered pseudo-science. Perhaps allowing to question our beliefs and foundations of such system of beliefs should be allowed more often, and TED has been that vehicle for a long time, hasn't it?
Here is a good example (I think): microbes do communicate with one another. No, they react chemically to change. Well, they do, but taken outside our body and individually, this phenomena cannot be replicated. The human microbiome contributes some 8 million unique protein-coding genes or 360 times more bacterial genes than human genes. But if you suppress (in an unhealthy individual) say 20% of the 10,000 different microorganisms that make our body (note that we use to say inhabit), they will only contribute to 4 million pcgs. An old Indian from the Amazon would have told you that. And perhaps the great vine would have taught him that. What's wrong with that?
Phil Klein
Apr 2 2013: What strikes me as somewhere between painfully ironic and a bit funny about much of this conversation is that we're only having this conversation because TED has built a strong media brand around making highly selective choices of speakers and for their events -- and now this is suddenly the trigger for complaints. Kindly remember, those often difficult curatorial choices are what has driven TED talks into the kind of well-known media that some of us are now squabbling over. If TED and TEDx were known as having the standards of the revoked TEDx event for speakers, it would never have achieved the widespread audience that it now has. Does everyone agree with TED and TEDx's choices? No. Should they stop making tough curatorial decisions and stop being highly selective? No. Will TEDx and TED learn lessons from this so they can more clearly identify and work through curatorial problems better going forward? I do expect so.
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As Lara Stein's letter put it "we made the curatorial judgment that the program was not appropriate for TEDx." She went on to offer well-wishes to the team with their event. I add my well wishes to hers.
Apr 2 2013: Well how do you imagine the curatorial decision to have gone? And there was concern over speakers. I would love to know what they were. Did you know it is TEDxers who want the westhollywood event to go ahead. 130,000 youtube views (in what? less than two weeks?)for the Rupert Sheldrake talk before it was taken down (and now over 200,000 apparently). Those 130,000 are TEDxer's mate, who would have LOVED to have seen Russell Targ at a tedxwesthollywood, TEDxers, so what does THAT say about what TEDx's media brand is or should be?Apr 2 2013: TED can't maintain it's prestige by maintaining the same curatorial parameters it always has. Times change, people become interested in different things, and different areas of knowledge progress at different rates.
Apr 3 2013: Lewis, I agree with your point that curatorial parameters both need to evolve, and in my experience they do. The change in theme from year to year is one obvious example of this.Apr 2 2013: Cancelling an event at the eleventh hour, after a year of planning, is not a curatorial choice that fits a standard of appropriate procedure, or even, as we are advised, is within TED's legal rights as a public corporation. What concern TED expressed over our program never went along with a threat of withdrawal, with the potential consequence only being that talks TED didn't like wouldn't go up on its YouTube channel. Silly us, just sailing along, sure TED would like all our talks. Look at our outstanding speakers: http://www.tedxwesthollywood.com/speakers-3/speakers/. And watch our Live Stream on April 14: https://new.livestream.com/extedwesthollywood
Apr 3 2013: Suzanne, I believe TEDx Director Lara Stein's letter indicated you had been corresponding since December, and you might have had more flexibility earlier on, though I can see your change in plans has seemed very abrupt and I sympathize. There are countless events that are very successful without any support from TED, and I know of cases where people have simply chosen to move on to a new format than TEDx out of a desire for more freedom to include questions and answers, or longer interpretive sessions that run an our or more, or to have the host provide extended and improvised interviews, or to meld their TEDx into an unconference, all of which hold fascinating potential but are not possible within the TEDx guidelines.
Apr 3 2013: Phil - As this has unfolded, it seems clear to me that the withdrawal of West Hollywood was a falling domino coming after the Sheldrake/Hancock video debacle. After banning Sheldrake and Hancock, TED could hardly allow West Hollywood to go forward. If Ted had taken Coyne and Meyer's criticism from whence it came, none of the subsequent ill-considered actions would have followed.Apr 3 2013: Agreed about ability to be out from TED;s restrictive yoke, but TED gets us sponsorship and eyeballs. We have two weeks with nothing to cover costs and no donated venue.Apr 6 2013: [Elisabeth Sahtouris can't get signed on and asked ime to post this for her.]
TED Guidelines: "Your event must maintain the spirit of TED itself: multidisciplinary, focused on the power of ideas to change attitudes, lives and ultimately, the world."
In this spirit I was invited to give two TEDx talks, in Hamburg www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1mvI2hEzlA and in Marrakesh www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSNbtXEop0Q
In both cases I identified myself as a scientist and quickly proceeded to challenge the very foundations of western science. The very things about which I spoke—crucial to deciding just what is, and what is not, scientific—now seem to be overlooked by the TED team making such decisions. Here they are:
Science necessarily rests on unprovable foundational axioms or assumptions about the universe and how it can be studied. Without such assumptions it is impossible to make theories about how the universe works. Try making a theory without having any idea what you are theorizing about! Scientific assumptions are a set of statements that appear completely obvious to those making them, and, believe me, they are very culture-bound, as I will show.
Unfortunately, scientists rarely refer to these assumptions, although they identify science along with the rigorous methodology demanded to qualify as science. We distinguish religion and science as the former gets its information through revelation and the latter through research. We might say, however, that both have a Creation Story, which in science is precisely its fundamental assumptions about the nature of its universe.
It is increasingly evident in the scientific literature and through many public debates that scientists no longer all adhere to the same assumptions (story) and many believe the evident differences indicate a historic paradigm shift of the kind Thomas Kuhn's classic The Structure of Scientific Revolutions described. I know no scientist who rejects Kuhn's analysis of ...continued in next post
Apr 7 2013: Interesting talk - I note she talks of many scientists thinking of the universe as being alive (an organism) - something that TED specifically objected to in their announcement of cancellation of license. Looks like those talks will have to go into the naughty corner with all the others.Apr 3 2013: in a related topic...
watch this TEDx talk by Alex Grey because it might get pulled by TED too if they apply their filter consistently. just sayin'.
"In the TEDx Talk embedded above, visionary artist Alex Grey gives a touching and humorous account of his journey as an artist, his metamorphosis from depressed loner to spiritually fulfilled family man, and the power of creativity, spirituality, and art in transforming our world through the transformation of human consciousness. It is inspiring and thought-provoking. And, if the recent TED debacle involving talks by Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake are anything to go by, it will soon be removed from YouTube by TED, due to Alex discussing 'pseudoscientific' ideas such as psychic energies, global consciousness and the power of prayer, as well as 'promoting' the use of illicit drugs such as LSD and ayahuasca."
~ http://www.dailygrail.com/Humanity-Plus/2013/4/We-Need-Talk-About-TEDx
Apr 3 2013: "metamorphosis from depressed loner to spiritually fulfilled family man" Is SCIENCE having something called a spiritual transformation?Apr 3 2013: I spent a few days with Alex a few years back.. amazing guy. Great art too.
Time Walker
Apr 3 2013: I see that Mr. Hoopes has finally completely lost it and is now comparing the proliferation of unorthodox beliefs to Nazi Germany, the solution to which is somehow interfering with the free marketplace of ideas?! The little people can't be permitted to think for themselves because that, what, invites tyranny? The public must be protected from itself for fear of the next authoritarian regime? Am I understanding this correctly?
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Well. My irony meter just caught fire. I'm gonna need a lot more coffee to make it through this thread.
Apr 3 2013: "the solution to which is somehow interfering with the free marketplace of ideas?!"
Yet another utterly bizarre interpretation. Interfering with TED (as has been proposed by so many here) is actually interfering with the free marketplace of ideas. I have not suggested interfering with the free marketplace of ideas at all.
"Am I understanding this correctly?"
Absolutely not. That's a significant problem.
Apr 3 2013: John, why not just state clearly what relevance the holocaust has here. What, eg, is the analogous situation in Nazi Germany that is represented by TED's decision to cancel the license? What are the causal links here, if any, that you feel are analogous to the causal links in Germany? Nobody can understand the particular mapping between the two situations and every attempt we make you say is wildly wrong. So, how, specifically, are you mapping the events in Germany to the events here?
John Hoopes
Apr 3 2013: Thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I don't have time to respond at length right now. I won't go into the extensive history of Nazi support of pseudoscience from the Studiengruppe für germanisches Altertum (Thule Society) to the Forschungs- und Lehrgemeinschaft das Ahnenerbe e.V. (Ahnenherbe) to the theories of Aryan superiority and Nazi eugenics that became the underpinnings of the ideology of the Third Reich. People can Google that stuff on their own. The bottom line is that, in the context of the Nazi's rise to power--which resulted in the Holocaust--a whole host of strange and often dangerous theories moved from the fringe to the mainstream, where they were openly and enthusiastically supported by a significant enough proportion of the German people to become accepted doctrines. In the process, academics and others who protested lost their jobs and often their lives. As with Stalin's purges, it's the intellectuals who--even in small minorities--voice dissent about popular opinion who are often the first to be shipped off to the concentration camps and gulags. If there's anything to be learned from history, it's that the spread of wrongheaded ideas (including pseudohistory and pseudoscience) is a legitimate concern.
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Since I don't have time, I'd like to encourage you to read this brief summary of the story of Hanns Hoerbiger's WEL, which explains how a fringe theory moved from the fringe to the mainstream (even after the death of its proponent).
The Story of Hanns Hoerbiger's Cosmic Ice Theory
I believe there are actually ideas that are not worth spreading and there are lessons to be learned from what can happen when those ideas become tools in the hands of ideologues and even thugs (intellectual and otherwise).
History has demonstrated over and over and over again that the general public often makes bad decisions and that knowledge is not something that advances on the basis of popular opinion.Apr 3 2013: Precisely.
Pithy. Well-stated. I'm out of thumbs, so I had to write it out.
Jess Boldt
Apr 3 2013: At least we know that Godwin's law is a predictable and reliable hypothesis.
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Time Walker
Apr 3 2013: Mr. Hoopes, I awakened this morning to a stream of comments from you so hyperbolic and deranged I nearly choked on my coffee. I'm gladdened to hear that you are not, in fact, calling for the censorship of ideas... at least not anywhere but on TED.
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And I have noticed that you ratcheted down that hyperbole, about which I'm also relieved.
Still, seeing this morning that you were still on about eugenics and implying that "people making up their own minds" leads to things like genocide was... concerning. http://www.ted.com/conversations/17348/discuss_the_note_to_the_ted_co.html?c=641676
Of course reading that opposing materialism leads to things like the Protocols... wow! Now that is some special hyperbole. (You also mischaracterized criticism of the theory as "demonizing" it, but that's just... so... you. And it leads to, you guessed it, hyperbole.) http://www.ted.com/conversations/17348/discuss_the_note_to_the_ted_co.html?c=641821
But it does give me a wonderful opportunity to play more of that association fallacy game you've popularized.
John Hoopes: Targeting "materialsim" lead to the Protocols which laid at the heart of the ideology that resulted in the Holocaust. People making up their own minds leads to things like Nazi eugenics and genocide
Ben Stein: Evolution is a dangerous theory because it's the basis for Nazi Eugenics.
Pretty solid comparison between you and Mr. Stein I think.
This, however, remains VERY concerning:
Hoopes: I happen to think that the world could benefit from superior pedagogy. I must be an idealist as well as an elitist.
Grobbelaar: Didn't Hitler also think that?
Hoopes: Yes, I suppose so. Does that make it bad, or do the details of the pedagogy matter as well?
Ideologues scare me because they think they're right and know what's best for other people, rather than believing that people can be presented with a range of ideas and decide.
Benevolent dictatorship, benevolent pedagogy... It all creeps me out
Apr 3 2013: Religion will not advance without the cooperation with science and its purification from outgrown traditional imagery, or "literal truth of the bible". Parapsychology will not advance without the cooperation with sceptics, to protect it against fraud, experimentor bias and so on. I do believe in God (in some sense) and the reality of (at least some) psychic phenomena. This does not entitle me to accept any (for me, so far) outlandish claims, like there are alien bases underground and similar. I prefer to make up my own mind, listen to many views and learn from both sides of the camp, also experiment with these phenomena myself, by doing psi experiments, meditating, training Qigong and other practices. I was, for example, rather sceptical about the effectiveness of homeopathy but I gave it a chance and it now has helped me in so many cases against throat infection (and at surprising - better than antibiotics - timescales) it's beyond reasonable doubt, personally.
This is also the power of philosophy, it does not have to appeal to authority or external soures, but refers to first-hand inner experiences and rational investigation in matters.Apr 3 2013: "The bottom line is that, in the context of the Nazi's rise to power--which resulted in the Holocaust--a whole host of strange and often dangerous theories moved from the fringe to the mainstream, where they were openly and enthusiastically supported by a significant enough proportion of the German people to become accepted doctrines."
So you are saying, as I initially suggested, that belief in fringe theories leads to holocausts. Thus, if Targ and Dossey speak, and the public believe them, the bodies will surely pile up. yes, yes, it's an interesting thesis, but not one I am able to subscribe to.
Apr 3 2013: "So you are saying, as I initially suggested, that belief in fringe theories leads to holocausts."
Well, no. That would be what Time Walker calls hyperbole. It's another example of your tendency to commit an either/or (a.k.a. false dilemma) fallacy and to entertain probabilities of only 1 or 0.
False dilemma
Belief in *some* fringe theories led to the Holocaust. (Actually, at the time, theories at the basis of antisemitism were quite mainstream.)
Fortunately for all of us, many fringe theories are relatively benign.Apr 3 2013: I get his argument, but this equally can happen with ideas currenctly acceptable for discussion and theoretical and experimental investigation, both to the scientific mainstream and TED, like that the universe is nothing but a giant computer and that we are literally living inside a computer simulation, or that we are "nothing but chemical scum on a medium-sized planet" (quoting Stephen Hawking), that could potentially lead to gross abuses, gross neglection of the inherent valueness of life. Who cares about life on earth when the universe is effectively dead, anyway? Providing for an easy cop out. Or look at the "artificial life" camp and those claims for providing immortality (for the lucky few, I guess) by technical means soon.
Or those that like to give up on saving the environmental or social problems here and leave earth, favoring space migration instead.
Frank Tippler comes to mind, I watched his talk on TED, he proclaims giving scientific proof for the future "singularity", that will all save us as software simulations in some giant computer that will inevitably be developed .. for me this is outlook into a far more dangerous pseudo-religion, which could potentially lead to many people sacrifying their lifes/souls in equating themselves with some computer simulation.
On the other hand, Rupert Sheldrake with his ideas is giving me much hope for possible reconcilation between these two essential evolutionary forces in human history, science and religion. Maybe Einstein was right in stating that "science without religion is lame", but this can also describe a double-edged sword.
To give some provoking idea myself:
At least Hitler had *some* values. As he didn't like the idea of an all-destructive atomic bomb, because he didn't want to destroy the world, but to rule it (and euthanise away all "unworthy life").
While there is no place for human values in radical materialism. Here the universe is running blind, with no purpose, no good or bad whatsoever.Apr 3 2013: So what was the purpose of bringing up the holocaust? What possible relevance can it have to the situation here? And I haven't offered a false dilemma because I haven't offered an either or. What is your point?
Apr 3 2013: Sorry, Steve. I give up. I'm just too dense to pursue this with you any further.Apr 3 2013: I know, but why not just tell us what the holocaust has to do with anything? I ask because it seems to me that you just brought it up as an offensive slur on anything/one you don't agree with by trying to associate your opponents' (position) with those hideous events in some way.
So, I ask you again: How does the holocaust map onto the situation here? I have no interest in another of your lengthy posts solely about Nazi Germany which avoids any attempt at mapping the events there to the events here. Moreover, if you will not comply then I would ask you to seek out all the posts where you mention the holocaust and delete them because such an associations without justification is outrageous.
Apr 3 2013: Godwin's law, association fallacy, argumentum ad misericordiam (yet another logical fallacy)... take your pick. That and more apply. I'd hate to see them deleted though. I have a weakness for dark comedy.


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|Grunberg Haus Applesauce Pancakes
We're always very happy to share our recipes here at the Grunberg Haus. In fact, some of our recipes were handed down by the previous owners 11 years ago when we bought the inn, others we brought with us, and still others we've come across while searching for new ideas to offer our guests. So we don't jealously guard our recipes and instead freely pass them along for others to enjoy.
One person we shared a recipe with has written about it on her blog called A Mom Named Mindy (sadly no longer online). The recipe is very easy so give it a whirl and perhaps you will fall in love with applesauce pancakes as much as Mindy has!
Two quick notes: the lemon juice may not seem important but the acidity is what gives the pancakes their "body" and helps them brown properly. Another trick we use here is full flavored Grade A Dark Amber Vermont maple syrup.
Thanks Mindy! We hope to see you again some day.
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|Vermont Is Giving Away Gas Money!
The Vermont Department of Tourism is giving away $100 in a weekly drawing that you can enter online. It only takes a minute to answer about 12 survey questions and you're entered to win a $100 gas card. Nowhere else will pay you anything let alone a hundred dollars a minute!
[But wait, there's more! We'll even throw in beautiful scenery like the one above!]
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Vermont Restaurant Week starts today, April 29, and runs through May 5, 2011
Vermont's annual restaurant week is a great way to eat at some of the state's best restaurants at a deep discount. The event, organized by Seven Days newspaper, includes dozens of restaurants with prix-fixe menus showcasing their chefs greatest dishes. Each meal(appetizer, entree´ and dessert) is priced at $15, $25 or $35 per person. Moreover, ten percent of the proceeds from event will be donated to the Vermont Foodbank.
This is a very popular event featuring very popular restaurants, so reservations are a good idea.
To find participating restaurants, go to the Seven Days Restaurant Week web page and find the red box with the "Choose a Restaurant" headline on the right side of the web page. I did not count all the restaurants but it looks like more than 75 are participating and they range in location from Middlebury to St. Albans. You can find the list here.
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page too if you would like to check news during the week.
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|Okemo's New "Timber Ripper" Mountain Coaster Opens Dec 23
Okemo's "Timber Ripper" coaster is a few weeks late in opening because it was so complicated to build but it's completed now and scheduled to open tomorrow, Dec 23.
The fastest $13 you'll ever spend! . . .
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19 Dec 2010
|Santa Goes Skiing at Bolton Valley
I saw this photo on Bolton Valley Resort's Facebook page and had to share it. Today is "Santa Skis or Rides Free Day" at Bolton - everyone who wore a Santa costume got a free pass for the day.
And it's a beautiful day here with sunshine and temperatures in the mid 20's. Last week we had light to medium snowfalls every day adding several inches each time. I think all the local ski areas, with the exception of Mad River Glen, have been operating for a while and it seems like each day they announce more trail openings.
The two best websites for information on Vermont skiing and snow boarding are Ski Vermont and the Ski Maven blog.
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15 Nov 2010
|New Dog Mountain Video and Burlington Exhibit
There is a fun, new YouTube video about Dog Mountain's 2010 fall festival in Saint Johnsbury VT. Stephan Huneck, artist and founder of Dog Mountain and its famous Dog chapel, passed away earlier this year so all the events from now on are in part memorials to his life and work.
Coincidentally, Frog Hollow gallery in Burlington is currently staging a Stephan Huneck exhibit through the end of this month. It features Huneck's prints, sculptures and books including a posthumously printed book entitles "Even Bad Dogs Go To Heaven" and even a replica of Dog Chapel.
Frog Hollow is the Vermont State Craft Center and features works from 250 Vermont artisans. It's located at 85 Church Street in Burlington. Their summer hours are still listed on the website but it should be open most days during winter. You can call (802) 863-6458 for details.
Both Dog Mountain and Frog Hollow also have Facebook pages.
All dog lovers should plan a visit to Dog Mountain located just outside Saint Johnsbury Vermont. It's open seven days a week year around and has festivals each year. For your GPS, plug in the address: 143 Parks Road, Saint Johnsbury, VT, 05819
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For only the third time in her professional career Ana recorded a perfect 6-0, 6-0 result: she beat world No.116 Marta Sirotkina in the first round of the Monterrey Open without dropping a game.
Sirotkina was playing in only her second WTA main draw match, but one would not have known it from the assured start she made in the opening game: she was solid from the ground and earned a break point.
However, this was to be just one of two game points she would hold; Ana was a model of consistency at the beginning of the match and she just got better and better. By the end of the encounter the 25-year-old was hitting winners almost at will.
Conversely, the Russian's spirit appeared broken and she made a swathe of errors, including a painful double fault on match point.
"I'm very happy," said Ana. "I thought I played very well tonight. It took me a few games to find out what she was doing good and not so good.
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Ana gave an on-court interview in Spanish and later expressed her gratitude for the warm welcome she has received during her professional debut in Mexico.
She said: "It's huge support. It's so nice to see that. I can see that they really enjoy their tennis and they know a lot about it. I have a great feeling here."
Ana takes on defending champion Timea Babos of Hungary in round two on Wednesday. The match is scheduled as the very last of the day, and is expected to begin sometime after 8.30pm local time (4.30am Thursday Central European Time; 10.30pm Eastern Time).
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JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. (June 15, 2011) - Coming off of one of the best seasons in ETSU baseball history, both junior Bo Reeder (Cookeville, Tenn.) and senior Paul Hoilman (Johnson City, Tenn.) continue to add to their impressive list of postseason honors as they were named All-Americans on Wednesday.
Reeder, a 2011 Louisville Slugger First Team All-American, was named a Baseball America Third Team All-American utility player as well as a National Collegiate Baseball Writers Association (NCBWA) Third Team All-American utility player.
The Cookeville, Tenn. native was also selected to the first ever College Baseball Lineup All-Star Team as a two-way player. Reeder is currently also a finalist for the NCBWA Stopper of the Year Award and a semifinalist for the Olerud Two-Way Player Award.
A 2011 Atlantic Sun All-Conference selection, Reeder posted outstanding numbers hitting .316 with 16 doubles, 15 home runs and 59 RBI as a third baseman, and also shattered the Atlantic Sun single season saves record after posting a nation-best 18 saves as a closer. Reeder touted a 1.95 ERA on the mound limiting opponents to a .165 batting average while striking out 32 batters in 27.2 IP.
Hoilman was also named a 2011 NCBWA Third Team All-American. The senior first baseman had arguably one of the best careers in Buccaneer Baseball history after breaking numerous Atlantic Sun and ETSU career records. Hoilman hit .313 with 22 doubles, 22 home runs and 50 RBI in his senior season. During his career, the local product posted a .369 average with 83 doubles, 73 home runs, 247 RBI and 161 walks.
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WILCOX – It was clear from the opening inning who had control of Wednesday's American Legion baseball game.
Wilcox scored four times in the first inning and was dominant throughout in a 10-0, 5-inning win over Smethport at Jones Township Community Park.
"Good pitching, good defense. We had real good defense again," Johnsonburg coach Jeff Peterson said. "Everybody participated, everybody on the team had a chance to play. We're hitting the ball, we're being aggressive on the bases. We're playing well on defense. That's what keeps you in the game, defense keeps you in the game.
"I think we're looking good, we're playing solid," coach Peterson said. "We're starting to come together as a real unit."
Jesse Reynolds singled with one out to right field in the home half of the first inning and then stole second, one of six stolen bases on the game for Wilcox. Mitchell Holmberg singled home Reynolds for the game's first run. Josh Mitchell then hit a rocket through the right side of the infield for a single. Joe Holmberg was walked to load the bases and after a strikeout, Zac Luhr walked to plate Mitchell Holmberg. Quinn Luhr lined a singled to score Mitchell and Joe Holmberg as Wilcox (3-0) had a 4-0 lead at the end of the first inning.
"That's what we like to do, we always say we got to get on it right now and set the tempo in the first inning," coach Peterson said. "We got to get after it and play aggressive. It went well, we got the hits where we needed them. We're running the bases aggressive. The kids are making plays."
Cole Peterson had three strikeouts in the second inning as Smethport only mustered a 2-out single from Kenny Doutt. He then led off the home half of the frame by reaching on a Smethport error. Peterson subsequently stole second base. Jesse Reynolds reached on another Smethport error to put runners at first and second. Mitchell Holmberg hit into a fielder's choice which moved Peterson to third and erased Reynolds from the bases. A stolen base from Mitchell Holmberg moved two runners into scoring position and Mitchell brought Cole Peterson and Mitchell Holmberg home with a 2-run single. Mitchell moved all the way to third on an overthrow to home from Smethport. Joe Holmberg grounded out to second and scored Mitchell in the process to give Wilcox a 7-0 lead after two innings.
After a scoreless third inning, Wilcox added a pair of runs in the fourth inning. Cole Peterson walked and stole second. Reynolds then hit an infield single and Mitchell Holmberg singled home Peterson for Wilcox's eighth run. Mitchell hit into a fielder's choice which took Holmberg off the bases. Pinch hitter Kyle Sheldon lined a single up the middle to score Reynolds and make the lead 9-0.
In Smethport's half of the fifth, Garrett Drabert reached on a Wilcox error to lead off. Kolin Strawcutter then hit a looping flyball in between shortstop and left field. Cole Peterson, now playing at shortstop after starting at pitcher, showed off his range and made an over-the-shoulder catch in left field. Drabert was nearly to second base as he thought the ball was going to drop in for a hit, he was easily doubled off at first base for a double play.
"An awesome catch, he's a phenomenal shortstop," coach Peterson said. "He covers a lot of ground, that was a nice catch. An over-the-shoulder catch, that's a base hit. He's just as smooth as can be, makes it look like an everyday catch and then throws him out at first base. A nice play, a big play. They could have got something going there. 9-0, the game is still not over. The game is never over, I don't care who you are playing. Any team gets some kind of momentum, it can change in a hurry. We've been in that situation."
Wilcox finished the game off with a 2-out rally. Cole Peterson singled and then stole second base for the third time. Reynolds drove him home with a single to right field to enact the 10-run rule. Reynolds finished 3-for-4 with one RBI, two runs scored and one stolen bases.
Seven different players had RBI for Wilcox. Mitchell Holmberg, Mitchell and Quinn Luhr each had two to lead the team. Mitchell Holmberg and Mitchell each had a pair of hits.
Cole Peterson threw three scoreless innings with a walk and five strikeouts. He allowed just one hit. Jesse Reynolds pitched a scoreless fourth and Mitchell Holmberg pitched a scoreless fifth inning.
"Strike-throwers, if you throw strikes, they put it in play, your defense, you have a good defense, it's going to keep you in games," coach Peterson said. "You don't walk and give them runs, it'll keep you in games."
Wilcox is scheduled to play at Bradford Friday for a 6 p.m. game.
Individual statistics:
Smethport AB R H BI
Kevin Lord 3 0 0 0
Brian Zetwick 2 0 0 0
Alex Myers 2 0 1 0
Tony Farrell 2 0 0 0
Zach Smith 2 0 0 0
Kenny Doutt 2 0 1 0
Garrett Drabert 2 0 0 0
Tyler Buchholz 2 0 0 0
P. Zetwick 0 0 0 0
Cooper 0 0 0 0
Kolin Strawcutter 1 0 0 0
Jory Okerlund 0 0 0 0
Totals 18 0 2 0
Wilcox AB R H BI
Cole Peterson 3 3 1 0
Jesse Reynolds 4 2 3 1
Mitchell Holmberg 3 2 2 2
Josh Mitchell 3 2 2 2
Joe Holmberg 1 1 0 1
Cameron Grumley 2 0 0 0
Zac Luhr 1 0 0 1
Quinn Luhr 2 0 1 2
Frank Kocjancic 3 0 0 0
Kyle Sheldon 1 0 1 1
Louie Imbrogno 1 0 0 0
Mitchell Vallone 1 0 0 0
Ben MacDonald 1 0 0 0
Totals 26 10 10 10
SB: Peterson 3, Reynolds, M. Holmberg, Mitchell.
Smethport 000 00 - 0 2 4
Wilcox 430 21 - 10 10 2
2 outs when winning run scored in 5th inning.
Smethport IP H R BB K
B. Zetwick 3.1 8 9 2 3
Z. Smith 1.1 2 1 0 2
Wilcox IP H R BB K
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J. Reynolds 1 1 0 0 1
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Comments On Jul 29, 2013:Why buy anything else. Fits great and great protection. I little more expensive than some, but how much is your neck worth.
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Comments On Jul 02, 2013:takes some time to get used to but really gives you neck support. will not ride without it ever again !!
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Comments On May 28, 2013:The day I purchased this beautiful piece of equipment as soon as I was done putting it together I decided to try it on and see how it fit. after feeling the supple ergonomics of this neck brace I began running a motocross simulator in my mind and was convinced that I was racing with the best and winning. Just when I came to I realized i was air born and that I had ran off the top flight of stairs in my home and landed hard on the cold tile floor. I was amazed as when i awoke from my concussed stooper that my neck was pain free and realized that I owe leatt another big thank you for saving me. Some who are reading this may find it commical but I dont after that brutal fall I was severely concussed and broke my left foot and my right knee. I am a firm believer that If I had not been wearing this neck brace around my house I would not be typing this today.
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Comments On May 14, 2013:Even though this brace was fairly expensive it was well worth it. does exactly what it's supposed to do. it also fits well with a lot of adjust-ability. after wearing it for 10 minutes or so i forgot it was even there. until i crashed and i could tell that it does what it's supposed to
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Comments On Apr 26, 2013:i purchased this for a WORCS race. the neck brace has come FAR!!! early braces restricted your abilty to turn your head. this does not. saved me im sure i had a intense wreck that was head first into the dirt. cracked ribs but my neck had no injury!!!!
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Comments On Mar 09, 2013:bought this for my daughter, 8yo, 4'3, slim. wasnt worried about the fit as the leatt site says small will fit 4-16yo. in truth a small will fit 34yo, 6'1, 155lbs. (didnt try with armor, just jersey) the box comes with several pieces to achieve a wide variety of sizes and the tool to make the adjustments. (also a decal sheet for bike, helmet, ect) being that we still have snow, we havent used it yet but it does look solid, all the interchangeable pieces fit tight, the pads are relatively easy to remove. that being said, i cant decide weather the translucent color makes it trick or cheap, but thats just an impression i have with no comparison as i havent seen a solid color model in person, i dont think it looks bad, i just dont know how 'I' feel about it (my daughter thinks its wicked) i dont think it "looks" like its worth the $360 or so that i paid on RMATV, but who can put a price on walking away from a wreck that might have broke your neck... all in all i like it. it looks solid, and im looking forward to never having to see it perform.
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