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Emerging Leaders ProgramThis program is for underclassmen who want to develop some early leadership skills. This one-day retreat takes place during the Spring semester and is open and free to all students. It's fun, interactive and educational.
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Rep. Spencer Bachus, Popular with the Finance Sector, to Leave Congress
September 30, 2013 | Rep. Spencer Bachus (R-Ala.) announced today that he won't be seeking reelection in 2014. Here's a look at the money trail he left behind.
Internet Sales Tax Fight Moves to House
July 22, 2013 | The battle over a proposed Internet sales tax has moved to the House, with interests on both sides pouring money into the campaign coffers of potential allies. Major retailers, including some online ones, have thrown their weight behind the initiative, and in the last few days of June a number of their PACs made big contributions to key House members.
With Dimon Set to Testify Again, JPMorgan Chase Favors GOP on House Panel
June 18, 2012 | JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon's time in the Washington spotlight will continue Tuesday when he testifies before the House Financial Services Committee. His company has heavily favored Republicans on the panel with its campaign contributions.
Two New Industries Profiled on OpenSecrets.org: For-profit Education and Payday Lending
June 11, 2012 | OpenSecrets.org is rolling out two brand new profiles of industries that are also relatively new to the Washington power structure: for-profit education and payday lending. For-profit colleges ramped up their lobbying efforts in 2010, after the Obama administration indicated it would crack down on abuses by some institutions. And the payday lending industry has been increasingly politically active.
Which Democrat Will Next Head the House Financial Services Committee?
November 29, 2011 | With upcoming retirement of Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), House Democrats will be vying for the role of top dog on the House Financial Services Committee, where Frank has been the highest ranking Democrat since 2003. Like Frank, many of the other high-ranking Democrats on the committee exhibit intimate ties with the industries with interests before them. Here's a primer on who could be next in line for the reigns of Democratic power after Frank's departure next year.
Gary Johnson Files Complaints, Gabby Giffords Talks Re-Election and More in Capital Eye Opener: Nov. 17
November 17, 2011 | Republican presidential candidate Gary Johnson filed complaints against the FEC and FCC Tuesday after he was excluded from Saturday's televised debate in South Carolina. Johnson's campaign alleges that CBS, which aired the debate, arbitrarily chose who would be in the debate and therefore advocated for their preferred candidates. That's for the courts to decide, but Viacom, which owns CBS, has directly contributed to several campaigns this year.
Near-Bankrupt Alabama County Once Hired D.C. Lobbyists
July 27, 2011 | As the nation watches the debt-ceiling debate continue, residents of Jefferson County, Ala., anxiously watch as their county commissioners decide whether to file for bankruptcy.
House Financial Services Committee: Hotbed of Money From Financial Sector Interests
April 15, 2011 | The House Financial Services Committee is a furnace in which legislation affecting Wall Street is forged. It's also a hotbed of money from individuals and political committee committees connected to the financial sector.
Financial PACs 'Invest' in Influential Freshmen
April 13, 2011 | Five House Republican freshmen who received substantial campaign contribution from the financial industry after the Nov. 2 election are taking the lead in trying to repeal or replace parts of the sweeping Dodd-Frank financial services reform law.
Rep. Chris Lee, Resigning Amid Sex-Tinged Scandal, Had Been Strongly Supported By Conservatives
February 9, 2011 | Rep. Chris Lee (R-N.Y.), who resigned from Congress this evening after website Gawker published a shirtless photo of the married politico that he e-mailed to a woman he met on Craigslist, had previously enjoyed solid conservative backing, the Center for Responsive Politics finds.
Bank of America Spending Riches to Influence Federal Government that Fined it $137 Million
December 8, 2010 | While being targeted by the government for consumer and corporate power abuses, Bank of America has spent millions of dollars attempting to woo state and federal officials through professional lobbying efforts and campaign contributions, an analysis by the Center for Responsive Politics finds. The company even has two corporate political action committees that target the levels of government differently.
Wall Street's Double Standard, What's New at OpenSecrets and More in Capital Eye Opener: November 4
November 4, 2010 | Your daily dose of news and tidbits from the world of money in politics.
Sen. Jim DeMint, Adopting EMILY's List and ActBlue Tactics, Pumping Cash into GOP Pockets
October 5, 2010 | Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), a Tea Party-loving conservative who wants to shake up and remold the institution he currently calls home, stands above other lawmakers in the frontier of creative uses of leadership PACs to aide fellow candidates.
Many House Incumbents Heavily Relying on PAC Cash for 2010 Re-election Bids
September 29, 2010 | Many candidates are hitting the campaign trail with a promise to end cozy relationships with special interests. Yet eager as they are to show some understanding of voters' concerns, the words of many incumbents are falling far short of the reality when it comes to their campaign accounts.
Candidates in Hotly Contested Races Collect Big Money from Wall Street Interests
September 27, 2010 | Ahead of the November election, top 20 House beneficiaries of the people and political action committees associated with the finance, insurance and real estate sector have together collected more than $16.2 million from Wall Street interests since January 2009. Meanwhile, the Senate candidates and sitting senators to receive the most from Wall Street interests raked in more than $41.3 million since January 2005 -- the beginning of their six-year election cycle.
Charlie Crist Stands to Lose Significant Money From Republican Party Defection
May 1, 2010 | A Center for Responsive Politics analysis of Crist's campaign finances indicates he stands to lose a six-figure sum even when only his most overt Republican contributions are considered.
Finance and Credit Companies Lobby Lawmakers As Congress Moves to Aggressively Regulate Them
November 19, 2009 | The various companies and trade groups within the finance and credit industry have contributed about $62.4 million to federal candidates, committees and leadership PACs since 1989, with 62 percent of that sum going to Republicans. In the 2008 election cycle, however, the employees and political action committees of these organizations directed a majority of their money to Democrats for the first time since the 1990 election.
Spencer Bachus: 'No More Bailouts'
November 19, 2009 | Although Bachus isn't new to the House Financial Services Committee, he's relatively new to the committee's ranking member position, which he assumed in 2007. Since 1992, employees and political action committees associated with the financial sector have given Bachus $4 million -- exponentially more than any other sector during that time.
Insurers Seek Cover From New Federal Regulations
November 18, 2009 | Risk and uncertainty are as certain as death and taxes. So, to share the burden of risk and hedge against the full financial liability, companies have long offered consumers a variety of insurance products. Facing the prospect of new regulation, the insurance industry is on pace to break a record $154 million it spent on federal lobbying efforts last year. During the first nine months of this year, insurers spent $122 million and hired 953 lobbyists.
Financial Policy Tools Help You Follow the Money During Reform Debate
November 17, 2009 | Sure, our "Crossing Wall Street" series this week is going to be comprehensive, answering your questions about which financial industries are spending big bucks to influence the outcome of financial regulation legislation. But you might want to do some snooping around of your own. So we're providing the tools you need to do so.
Crossing Wall Street
November 16, 2009 | As the United States continues digging itself out of a recession, the nation is poised to re-emerge in a dramatically altered financial climate. And after years of enjoying relatively little regulation, commercial banks, credit companies, hedge funds and securities and investment companies are facing the most extensive overhaul by the federal government since the Great Depression. Over the next seven days, Capital Eye will be following the special interest money in our "Crossing Wall Street" series as both the House and Senate tackle financial regulation.
Commercial Banks Hope for Return on Investment in Congress
November 16, 2009 | Congress often acts as a type of bank for bankers themselves -- a place executives can direct their cash, perhaps hoping to collect interest in the form of a legislative favor. The interest rate on that premium appears to be low these days, however, as commercial banks could face a sweeping regulatory overhaul in the coming months.
Congressional Opponents of Consumer Financial Protection Bill Got Big Money from Wall Street Interests
October 26, 2009 | On Thursday, the House Financial Services Committee approved H.R. 3126, which would create a new executive branch agency to oversee consumer financial protections, on a 39-29 vote. CRP has found that $527,500 is the average amount a committee member who voted "no" received from financial groups' PACs and employees between January 2007 and June. The average amount a member who voted "yes" received was $438,900.
Third Quarter Campaign Finance Reports Show Money Race Is On
October 16, 2009 | An initial Center for Responsive Politics analysis has found that sitting members of the U.S. House of Representatives raised $48.2 million from July 1 through Sept. 30, 2009, based on the 336 reports we have in. The mean amount these lawmakers raised was $143,640, and the median amount was $126,680.
House Financial Services Committee Considers Regulating Industries That Heavily Fund Members' Campaigns
October 14, 2009 | The House Financial Services Committee today begins marking up a bill that would create a new consumer protection agency and increase regulation of a number of financial products. Even as members of the committee consider how to prevent another economic collapse, they may have another financial issue in mind -- the industries opposing the measure have contributed $77.6 million to the 71 members of the committee since 1989.
Out-of-State Donations Flow to Many Members of Congress
August 3, 2009 | Senators, on average, raised 57 percent of their individual contributions from out-of-staters during the first six months of 2009. Members of the U.S. House of Representatives, on the other hand, raised a median of 77 percent of their individual contributions from in-state donors.
Tracking Your Representatives' Health Care Cash
June 25, 2009 | Here's a cool tool that brings together data from various parts of OpenSecrets.org to show how much money each current lawmaker has raised from various health-related industries and the health sector overall since 1989 (including President Obama's haul).
Wall Street's Greenbacks Fill Democrats' Coffers
June 10, 2009 | Although the economy didn't show many signs of improvement in the first few months of 2009, Democrats were benefiting more from Wall Street than they had in any previous cycle, pulling in 58 percent of all contributions that the finance, insurance and real estate sector gave between January and March.
UBS AG Helps Fill Lawmakers' Coffers
February 19, 2009 | Swiss bank UBS AG agreed today to pay $780 million to settle claims by the U.S. Department of Treasury that it helped American customers evade paying taxes by hiding their Swiss bank accounts from U.S. tax authorities. But that's not the only help that UBS has provided Americans. In the 2008 election cycle, the foreign bank contributed $3.1 million to federal candidates, parties and PACs.
Obama, Ney and DeLay Also Among Stanford's Investments
February 18, 2009 | As the story behind the embattled investment company Stanford Financial Group develops, we thought we'd take an even closer look at the seeds the company may have tried to plant in Washington via campaign contributions. When looking at ALL lawmakers to collect money from the company's PAC and employees (not just members of the current Congress), some additional, important names appear at the top of the recipient list.
Investment Manager Stanford Was Big-Time Campaign Contributor
February 17, 2009 | Money manager Robert Allen Stanford now has two things in common with embattled investment manager Bernard Madoff: both have come under scrutiny for allegedly defrauding their investors, and both have given significant funds to politicians. Between its PAC and its employees, Stanford Financial Group has given $2.4 million to federal candidates, parties and committees since 2000.
Congressmen Hear from TARP Recipients Who Funded Their Campaigns
February 10, 2009 | The eight CEOs testifying Wednesday before the House Financial Services Committee about how their companies are using billions of dollars in bailout funds may find that the hot seat is merely lukewarm. Nearly every member of the committee received contributions associated with these financial institutions during the 2008 election cycle, for a total of $1.8 million.
Races to Watch IX: Wall Street's Favorite Candidates
October 9, 2008 | Not at all to the chagrin of oil and gas companies (and lawmakers who have received campaign donations from them), Wall Street is the new black for congressional candidates looking to link their opponents to an unpopular industry. As federal lawmakers have wrestled with an economic bailout plan worth $700 billion, candidates who have received contributions from the financial sector are on the defensive. Find out which candidates are filling their war chests with money from the finance sector in Capital Eye's final installment of Races to Watch.
Money and Votes Aligned in Congress's Last Debate Over Bank Regulation
September 23, 2008 | The last time Congress seriously debated how to regulate the financial industry, the result was legislation that allowed the nation's largest banks to get even larger and take risks that had been prohibited since the Great Depression. A look back at that debate, which was over the 1999 Financial Services Modernization Act, reveals that campaign contributions may have influenced the votes of politicians who, a decade later, are now grappling with the implosion of the giant banks they helped to foster.
Brothers Grim: Is Lehman Next?
September 12, 2008 | Uncle Sam bailed out Freddie Mac and the company's twin sister, Fannie Mae, this week, and the next in line in the Wall Street family to get a helping hand might just be Lehman Brothers. Executives at the struggling investment bank are looking to sell the company with assistance from the government--and fast--as its stock plunges. Although the government isn't expected to completely bail out Lehman Brothers, the fourth-largest U.S. investment bank, the company has built a strong financial relationship with politicians over the years and coincidentally ranks fourth in the largest contributors in the race for the White House.
Update: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Lawmakers
September 11, 2008 | When the federal government announced two months ago that it would be seizing mortgage buyers Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, CRP looked at how much money members of Congress had collected since 1989 from the companies. On Sunday the government proceeded with the takeover and we've returned to our data to bring you the updates, this time providing a list of all 354 lawmakers who have gotten money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (in July we posted the top 25).
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Invest in Democrats
July 16, 2008 | The federal government recently announced that it will come to the rescue of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, two embattled mortgage buyers that for years have pursued a lobbying strategy to get lawmakers on their side. Both companies have poured money into lobbying and campaign contributions to federal candidates, parties and committees as a general tactic, but they've also directed those contributions strategically.
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Ana recently gave an interview to the Italian edition of Men's Health.
The following is a transcript of the question-and-answer session:
Please, introduce yourself in ten words
Positive, sensitive and thoughtful, and a family person.
What kind of teachings have you gotten from tennis?
I've learnt so many things, I could talk all day about that! I've kind of grown up in tennis, because I've been playing since I was a kid, and even traveling to junior tournaments around the world from the age of about 12 or 13. Visiting all the different countries and experiencing different cultures definitely helps you mature fast.
An obvious quality that sport teaches you is discipline, but I was always quite a sensible child anyway, for example I was well-behaved and enjoyed school. Still, professional tennis kind of forces you to have a good routine, and that requires discipline.
One of the biggest lessons I've learnt, from quite an early age, is that even though tennis is an individual sport, it's not possible to succeed without the help, love and support of those around you, especially your family.
I've also learnt a lot about friendships, relationships, media, business…so many things.
How do you overcome the difficulties? What is your way of thinking?
I think one of my biggest strengths is that I'm a very positive person, and I believe in myself a lot. This helps me in many areas of tennis – it's good to always be positive and optimistic about future tournaments.
How do you feel to be a sex-symbol?
Every woman enjoys receiving this kind of compliment and I am no different. But I don't take it very seriously, and I definitely don't see myself that way!
Please, tell us three suggestions to conquer your heart
That's hard to say. I don't like a guy who tries too hard, so I wouldn't say that gifts are important to me in the beginning of a relationship. I want to see honesty, good manners and a sense of humour.
What kind of guy would you like? Could you tell us three different features?
I like guys who are maybe a little old-fashioned, with good family values, and who treat women well. I don't like arrogance. I like men with intelligence – guys you can discuss different issues with. If they are tall and handsome, that's even better.
How do you spend your spare time?
I think when you travel a lot for your job, you tend to enjoy the simple things in life, like spending time with your family and friends. I also love to read - I read a lot of fiction books, often thrillers. And I enjoy watching movies too, and occasionally trying to improve my Spanish.
What are your next professional plans?
It's been a long time since I reached a Grand Slam quarter-final so that's one of my goals at the moment. And I'm aiming to get back in the top 8 by the end of the year.


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November 04, 2009, 01:02:48 AM »
My experience is from scanning transparencies using CCD based film scanners, mostly Velvia and Provia. The way I worked was that I shot film, developed at a pro lab. Sorted the trannies on lightable while still in protective sheets. Scanned the keepers and mounted behind GP-slide mounts. To reduce dust I bought an electrostatic air cleaner essentially supplying clean air to the work area. Keeping the slide holder clean I had little issues with dust and IR-based cleaning worked well for me.
The scanner I used was a Minolta Dimage Scan Multi Pro, at about 3000 USD (it's no longer made), Nikon Coolscan 9000 may be a good alternative that may still be around. I made a couple of large (70x100 cm) enlargements and they are good enough to impress professionals. The main issue is DMAX, especially with Velvia. What I have found that scanning 67 Velvia gives about the same resolution as 24.5 MP DSLR, but the DSLR gives much better image quality. It takes sharpening better, it has many time the density range and is easier to work with.
One observation I may have made is that with my DSLRs bookeh may be an issue. Simply, the lenses I have are pretty sharp but have not really good (actually awful) bokeh. From the 67 camera I have made a print which is not really sharp because of small depth of field, but the main subject has excellent sharpness and the sharpness rolls away very smoothly so that the DOF limitation is hardly noticed.
This is one of the images I printed in 70x100 cm:
This is a very big TIFF, download and open in Photoshop, please!)
This image is probably the one I have sent to the lab, so it's sharpened for output.
The article below sums up some recent tests I have made:
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Film scanning abides to the "affordable, fast, good quality: pick two" rule. These variables have particularities of their own, such as what you and I consider affordable may differ greatly. Flatbed film scanning is indeed affordable, and can lead to pretty good results for web and small printing. The Epson V700 and V750 scanners are a good bang for the buck, as they offer quality scans for around $600. I've seen great images scanned with the V700 by Portuguese landscape photographer
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The main problem with film scanning is speed. Not primarily that of the scanner, but of the whole workflow. If all cleanliness aspects of the film are followed – no fingerprints, marks, dust – which is something that even the most tidy laboratory worker has problems, it can take anywhere from thirty minutes to two hours to get a decent, well processed scan good for printing. Remember that no scanner can remove dust and scratches from silver-halide black and white negatives, so spotting and retouching is inevitable. Multiply all that work by twelve exposures, and suddenly you find yourself spending more time in front of the computer than outside taking pictures.
Considering that you want to develop in-house, add up all the effort, time and expenses of chemical mixing, storage, and darkroom maintenance. If you shoot sparingly, you might want to gather a couple dozens of rolls to develop all at once, and thus use fresh chemicals rather than keeping them stored for extended periods of time. In the end, it might be actually faster to have them processed externally than doing it at home. Of course, if the personal involvement aspect is of great importance, none of this will matter.
If you have a complete darkroom, with development and enlarging equipment, I suggest sticking with contact prints and small enlargements. If a picture deserves a large print, send it out for drum-scanning. Though you pay the steep price, the quality is worth it and the hassle is minimum. If you don't have an enlarger, the Epson scanners might be a good starting point, though drum-scanning may be needed for large prints.
In the end, when you think it'll take a couple of minutes and some effort to scan film, you actually find out you've spent the last two hours trying to get it right, you've neglected your spouse or family member's cry for attention, the magic hour lights are long gone and all you do is curse Adobe. I like going through that some, but not all, times.
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Re: Shooting/scanning MF Film
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March 02, 2012, 10:44:45 PM »
Funny I almost did the exact same thing as you said, sold my digital camera, but I went ahead and got a Hy6 MF camera. Few things you should be aware of:
I'm sure Jobo's are great.. There are a few different models, CPA2, CPE2 and CPP2 are the newest, but only the CPP2 has a digital display and can cool the water bath (you can use ice otherwise but that kind of defeats the purpose of having a jobo in my mind). and They are like 2500$ if you're lucky to find one. They are discontinued btw, so no warranty no repairs etc. I'd be careful about that.
As far as scanning goes, it would be great to have a nikon Coolscan 9000, also discontinued, so no repair no warranty etc. And they are like 4000$ on the auction site. So be careful with those.
Depending on the quality you want, I find it kind of pointless to shoot MF and then scan with a V750, even though the quality is great from what I hear, it kind of takes away from the ultimate quality of MF and Film.. I mean thats some/most of us shoot MF.
Lastly, Ektachrome just took a bullet so we are really getting low on film options, I noticed you only want to stick with b&w which makes it easier on you, but after doing some tests with a whole bunch of colour films I finally chose Ektachrome and now it's discontinued.. so my freezer is going to be full for a while.. So far it's been great shooting film, I have no digital camera so I've been using a spot meter and the zone system to get my exposures right and it's been enlightening. The only thing I wasn't use to is shooting 12 photos and having to swap films. At least with the hasselblaad you wont be paying 2000$ per film back so you can probably get a few and have them pre-loaded. But no autofocus will probably be interesting for you. Before you spend all that money I STRONGLY suggest testing it out first, you might hate it. I can't say I regret the switch BUT with ektachrome gone, no scanner (in the middle of trying to get a drum scanner), and with a new fear of more films being killed I might of maybe kept a digital around as I actually shoot for model agencies and the like and am trying to get more business but I might have shot myself in the foot due to turnaround times and nothing to show the client right away. No polaroids for the Hy6!
Anyway thats my two sense.. Definitely test first you might hate it.
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March 10, 2012, 12:04:49 AM »
There's a new 120 dedicated film scanner made by Plustek. It was shown a few days ago at CEBIT. Looks good. Waiting for more info
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March 22, 2012, 01:34:15 AM »
I'm probably out in left field but I've been 'scanning' my MF negatives using a CF 528 multishot digital back fit to my rollei 6008AF body. I was using the bowens illumitran to light the negs, but now have a copy stand with a lighted base. I think this is getting me fantastic results for black and white images particularly in multishot or microstep mode. The prints I make with the captured file are better than I can do in the darkroom with paper from the same neg. I have been wondering what or if I am missing by not scanning on drum at least for black and white - the multishot seems to get every detail and grain and I can have a 10800x8080 file for a 6x45 neg. I do understand the color issue - hard to replicate what some scanner software does to get the colors of particular films right. Definitely these old MS backs are cheaper than the drum scanners and much more versatile.
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March 22, 2012, 03:55:36 PM »
Closest I've come to that is using my D700 and a 2.8/105 Micro Nikkor to copy 120 Ektachrome and Velvia on a Kodak lightbox.
Though it provided the only 'free' way of turning those larger trannies into files, at the end of the day, it meant another optical path and the probable errors of focussing and aligning two planes parallel enough if you don't have a proper copy stand, which I don't. And, of course, a small digital capture.
I must say, though I have not tried this with negative film, it could be a way to get back to the pleasures of using a 500 Series again, the main pleasure of that being the square format.
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March 26, 2012, 11:12:18 PM »
Just looked through your website..... WOW!
Quote from: Rob C on March 22, 2012, 03:55:36 PM
Closest I've come to that is using my D700 and a 2.8/105 Micro Nikkor to copy 120 Ektachrome and Velvia on a Kodak lightbox.
Though it provided the only 'free' way of turning those larger trannies into files, at the end of the day, it meant another optical path and the probable errors of focussing and aligning two planes parallel enough if you don't have a proper copy stand, which I don't. And, of course, a small digital capture.
I must say, though I have not tried this with negative film, it could be a way to get back to the pleasures of using a 500 Series again, the main pleasure of that being the square format.
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April 20, 2012, 10:09:00 PM »
I do hi end drum scans under oil daily for fine art photographers to include 11 X 14 trannies and you simply cannot imagine the almost magical difference it makes. I even just finished today a series of 35 mm scans printed at 30 X 20 in in BW, just amazing fine art prints. I first tried do digital capture by the fine Plustek scanner but not nearly the quality I needed. Second best is WAY second.
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April 23, 2012, 02:54:59 PM »
I develop my own b&w negatives and have a darkroom set up in my bathroom. I scan with an Epson v500 Perfection flatbed.
The improved negative holder from Better Scanning is a must. It makes loading the film much faster and I get less schmutz on the film in the process. The anti-newton ring glass helps hold the negative flat (though you need to reverse it horizontally after scanning) and you can even tape the negative to it for added flatness though I don't bother. The supplied holder from Epson is awful. Epson's software is pretty basic but it works. Make sure to turn Digital ICE off when scanning b&w negatives as it produces awful posterization for some reason.
As others have said be prepared to wait. Each negative needs a few seconds of cleaning, then it needs to be loaded into the holder. After that you do a preview scan (which takes maybe 60 seconds) and adjust the scanned areas. Then you do a full resolution scan which takes longer the higher DPI you ask for. Making 35mp scans of my 67 negatives takes roughly 5 minutes per frame in batches of two. Figure at least an hour to scan a roll plus time to go back and rescan something with a giant cat hair* on it that you missed plus touch up time on the computer.
*my two cats love to keep my company at the computer so there's added time to clean up my working area when I am scanning.
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Feb 12 2012: Hey Oliver, on a somewhat related note did you hear about the Kary Mullis Nobel Prize controversy? I find the idea that good science being a product of teamwork fascinating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Prize_controversies
Feb 13 2012: Hi Ted,
Didn't know that. But I figured an invention like that may have been somewhat contentious due to it's "simplicity" and other people in the lab developing it further to optimize it's potential. Still, I wasn't aware of the work going back to 1969!
Gregory Gage
Feb 9 2012: Hi Andrew - you have asked a really great question. I am an engineer and an "electrophysiologist", which means I record bioelectricity arising from the Nernst potential and I record spikes that follow Hodgkin and Huxley's equations to do my job! You might think that one of these awards would be my favorite, but they aren't! There is something that I use more often in my job then these things that we often take for granted.
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While you are right that there is no prize for engineering, there are still many engineering inventions that have won the Nobel Prize in Physics. For an example, there were 3 scientists from Bell Labs (John Bardeen, William Shockley, and Walter Brattain) shared the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1956 for discovering the principles of the transistor. While they didn't invent the computer, they allowed for the computer revolution to happen by allowing the devices to become tiny. My favorite Nobel Prize was awarded in 2000 to an engineer and physicist from Texas Instruments, Jack Kilby, for inventing the integrated circuit (IC) back in the 1950s. I go through catalogs of ICs everyday for my designs, and am forever grateful for his contributions to science and engineering.
As for your last question, what makes science good/bad? I think that any science that answers something we don't know is "good" science. The history books are filled with ideas that were silly at the time, only to become very important some day in the future. The only "bad" science I see is "pseudoscience": the misuse of data to "prove" theories, instead of using data to debunk other plausible alternatives. My advice to everyone is to be skeptical. Skepticism is a Virtue!
Joanna Cruz
Feb 13 2012: Hello!!!!!
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I do not have a favorite or least favorite Nobel-Prize winning science. However, a Nobel laureate that has impacted my studies is Richard Feynman. I learned of Feynman in General Chemistry class from watching his video "The Pleasure of Finding Things Out" and watched the video again for Physics-Mechanics class. I gained true understanding and appreciation for his work in quantum electrodynamics in Modern Physics class.
In the video, he gives his unique opinion of the Nobel Prize and other honors. He expresses his dislike for honors and discusses the negative aspects about honors. He states that the most important prizes are "the pleasure of finding the thing out, the kick in the discovery, and the observation of people using it." To work towards benefiting mankind for the passion of subject matter rather than for honors is, I think, a great mentality to have.
There are prizes that are considered to be the equivalent of the Nobel Prize for other fields such as engineering:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_known_as_the_Nobel_of_a_fieldFeb 13 2012: Norman Borlaug didn't win a science prize (he won the Peace Prize), but he developed disease-resistant, high-yield, any-weather wheat crops that saved billions from starvation; made lucrative grain exporters out of poor countries; provided sustenance for populations that would have gone to war for it and fed potential geniuses in far corners of the world! Amazing ripple-effects of what he did!
Feb 14 2012: That's pretty cool for Borlaug to have won the Peace Prize through agricultural science. I wonder if winning for peace says something about good science having more direct, beneficial applications to real world problems.
Feb 14 2012: In a way, all Nobel prizes need that criterion: how do they better humanity? Merton and Scholes for example, won the Nobel Prize in Economics in 1997 because they found out a way to buy futures at a certain price that would eliminate all risks--which is crazy because that would make buying stocks 100% risk free. They opened up an investment bank, and it worked for a while with amazing 20-40% returns, but then un-forecasted, rare economic upheavals not considered in their formula crashed their (and their investors') life savings.
Howard Yee
Feb 12 2012: It's definitely sad that there is no prize for engineering. Here's a list of other things that deserve Nobel Prizes, but don't and the alternatives which people consider is just as notable as a Noble Prize: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prizes_known_as_the_Nobel_of_a_field
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I will refrain from listing my "favorite" Nobel Prize winner because I don't have one. I will however, mention that my favorite computer scientist who won the Turing Award aka "The Noble prize of computer science" is Marvin Minsky for his work on Artificial Intelligence. He also started the AI lab at MIT. (His inventions include the first Head-mounted display, Logo (the 'my first programming language' of programming languages), SNARC (the first randomly wires neural network learning machine). His research in AI became foundational to many subclasses of AI research like the analysis of artificial neural networks.
I don't think enough people give computer science enough credit. It's awesome. The hardware and software that's derived from computer science is responsible for sustaining all of our modern day infrastructure. Check out all the other Turing Award winners, I'd choose them all as my favorite if I could.
Feb 12 2012: I'm glad there are distinguished awards that recognize other fields that are not in the Nobel Prize categories. This helps encourage work that is potentially more useful in today's world compared to the discoveries that are made in the Nobel sciences.Feb 14 2012: Howard,
I'm glad you posted this link as it reminded me of a fascinating story I heard about a few years ago about a Russian mathematician by the name of Grigori Perelman, who won the Fields Medal, the highest award in Mathematics. Perelman was able to solve one of the Millennium Prize Problems, a set of problems which were considered important for the advancement of mathematics, and therefore a $1,000,000 prize would be awarded to anyone who was able to solve one. Perelman, however, refused to accept either the money or the highly coveted prize, stating that he did not want attention and that he should not be considered a hero for solving the problem. There is even news that Perelman decided to abandon mathematics because he was "disappointed" in the field. Although there are clearly some mind-boggling pieces to this story, I respect Mr. Perelman for his contribution. It is clear that his motive was just to advance the field of mathematics, and was disinterested in either the glory or the money which came with it. Whether I agree with his actions or not, and even though he did not actually physically receive any award, he still has a fascinating story, making him my "favorite" prize winner. To read more about Mr. Perelman, follow this link:
Harnsowl Ko
Feb 14 2012: After reading all of these posts, I came to the conclusion that my favorite Nobel Prize winner is Marie Curie. She not only won the Nobel Prize in Physics for her work on radiation phenomena but also in Chemistry for her work with polonium. The work she did set the stage for future generations of medical research focused on radiation and oncology. The work she did branched out beyond just one subject, touching on both physics and chemistry. She was able to find the radiation of elements and the energy they emitted as well as discovering new elements. She was a pioneer in the field of radioactivity and should continue to be celebrated.
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Alan Kroeper
Feb 12 2012: I've always been a little dubious about the peace prize... Seems a little presumptuous to award a prize for something that rarely, if ever, lasts very long for any of the folks involved.
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And, no, I don't think there should be one for engineering. I am an engineer, and I've won awards within my field. But Nobel had much broader aspirations. Nobody wants to hear about the best way to process or manufacture this or that.
We want Borlaug. if you haven't done anything that important, you don't need a prize...
Feb 14 2012: Hello Alan,
From a student's perspective, it seems that you might be underestimating the creative potential of the engineer. Certainly, there are engineers whose day-to-day work involves mundane inspections and calculations. However, I would argue that historically, there have been engineers who have shown considerable skill and creativity and, in my opinion, would have been deserving of a Nobel Prize. Take, for example, the construction of the Panama Canal in the late 19th/early 20th century. Considering the technological limitations of the time, the fact that the engineers involved managed to see the project to completion is impressive. To this day, the Panama Canal is recognized as one of the greatest achievements in engineering. I don't think that it would have been at all out of place for George Washington Goethals (the head engineer in the later years of construction) to receive a Nobel Prize for his work.
Feb 14 2012: Hi Veronica!
We engineers have done many, many creative things, and Goethals is a great example (we've got a bridge named after him here in New Jersey)
I did not mean to say that our work is mundane or ordinary, just that it rarely involves discovery. We generally apply other folks discoveries. Engineering is filled with great challenges (and great fun in the application of technology to problems), but rarely involves actual discovery.
It's just my opinion that Nobel intended his (science) prizes to be more related to discovery.
I would, however, be more than willing to accept any prize that paid that well...
Oliver Reed
Feb 12 2012: Hey Andrew,
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My favorite Nobel Prize was awarded to Fleming, Florey and Chain in 1945 for the discovery of penicillin. Along with revolutionizing medicine in the 1900's, penicillin serves as a fascinating reminder of what role luck can play in scientific discovery. Fleming himself acknowledged that if he had followed proper controls and was engaged in his then current field of research, penicillin probably would not have been discovered.
Feb 12 2012: This is a great example of how important scientific discoveries can come about by accident! The next important finding may not always be immediately predictable. Heres the story for anyone interested: http://history1900s.about.com/od/medicaladvancesissues/a/penicillin.htm
Feb 12 2012: Did you know that due to modern science adapting and making better medicine, supergerms are created? This continual process of making better medicine to combat stronger germs could cause the death of humanity when the germ becomes too powerful! Can this "good science" be "bad science" as time goes on? I find this astounding.
Feb 13 2012: Hi Ted,
The development of resistance by uncontrolled uses of antibiotics was certainly understood even during Fleming's time. He may have been one of the earliest guys to sound the alarm, but I have to check that. Fortunately, I think that there is a limit to how "super" a super bug can get. Over the eons,Mother nature has been a potent generator of all the possible permutations of polypetides and glycopetides, etc, that can be developed to circumvent our defenses, with and without antibiotics. Unfortunately, due to solely economic reasons, research into discovering new antibiotics, of which we have only just begun to scratch the surface of, has significantly tapered off. Maintaining that chemical "arms race" by bio-medical research should be a priority, but sadly isn't.Feb 11 2012: I imagine Fritz Haber is the most convincing argument I can think of, from revolutionizing warfare to maximizing food output to a point where ~50% of humans alive today could no exist without its discovery and application. To date it is the single-most largest expenditure of energy on earth (~3% all energy used). His discovery also permitted the lengthening of WWI from a few months to 8 years, as the nitrogen produced would be a key ingredient in munitions that was otherwise trade embargoed from Chile in its mineral form.
He is a case study on blind patriotism and the impact on his values and ethics, after all he earned the name "Father of Chemical Warfare". As a winner, he is an interesting character to say the least.
For its application to the betterment of mankind, and the worsening of it (?), Fritz Haber is my most/least favorite (and the most interesting I know of) nobel winner.
Do we need to cite sources?
Feb 12 2012: I did not expect there to be a figure who is someone's favorite and least favorite at the same time! That is really interesting. His discoveries can be seen as both harmful and helpful to humankind. I don't think you need to cite. A google search can show Fritz Haber is what you articulated.Feb 14 2012: Yes, I at once both lament and enjoy how discoveries can do massive amounts of good, or massive amounts of bad. I am fascinated by the people behind these experiments, and it's always hard for to know exactly what perspective to look from.
To me, Haber is sort of the embodiment of the "evil scientist"--he made a scientifically sophisticated weapon, and even took part in directing its use on the battlefield. Yet at the same time, he can be credited with providing a way to sustain half the humans alive today.
I find Heisenberg a similarly enigmatic figure. We like his Uncertainty Principle, but we don't like his politics (He worked as a physicist for the Nazis as they were trying to build a nuclear bomb). This bomb, of course, was never built and used, but his discoveries have revolutionized physics and technology.
So how can we decide what to think of these scientists? This question evades answer. We can't judge them on all of these principles at once. This is what I mean when I say I enjoy the internal conflict over how I feel--These people are not 1-dimensional. The complexity of these characters is actually interesting--almost as interesting as the science!Feb 11 2012: For sure Rita Levi Montalcini, who is today a hundred and something, is still very curious, communicates with the young generations and inspire them-check her facebook page! and has a great sense of humour. She and her cousin, Dr Sacerdoce de Lustig who made the most valuable research on Polio at the beginning of the century, where the 2 first women to be graduated in Medecine at the beginning of the century.
I'm convinced she would deliver once of the best performances at TED.
Alan Kroeper
Feb 12 2012: After reading the short Wiki about her, if she would agree to do a TED talk, I would certainly listen with baited breath. Even outside my field, there is nothing more meaningful to me than listening to the teachings of learned elders. There are always so many things to learn!
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I hope I reach the age and the wisdom to inspire the same feeling...I doubt both, but I do hope...
Feb 12 2012: Wow this is amazing! I wonder what wisdom she would have to impart on us.
Andrew Tam
Feb 10 2012: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,2096389_2096388_2096378,00.html
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In the article above, Time describes its list of the top ten Nobel prize controversies. In most cases, it seems that the ideas themselves are prize worthy, but something about the person's past makes their prize questionable. For example, Cordell Hull won the Nobel prize for helping to establish the U.N. His case is considered controversial because six years earlier, Hull advised the denial of passage of a Jewish refugee ship into the U.S.; consequentially, the denial led to the death of many of those passengers.
At least in this class of controversies, I feel that it is slightly unfair to frown upon these Nobel prize winners. Sure, they may have made a decision in the past that people are not in agreement with, but that shouldn't cloud the fact that they had a Nobel-prize-winning idea. While the standards for Nobel prizes are certainly high, we can't expect people to be absolutely perfect in every aspect. People make mistakes and it should certainly be acceptable to do so.
Feb 13 2012: Hi Andrew,
Thanks for this link! I completely agree with you about the controversies that you describe and I believe that a Nobel-prize-winning idea does not make the idea any less amazing because of a person's mistakes in the past. Similarly, I don't think "bad" science should be characterized by these mistakes.
The controversy on Harald zur Hausen reminded me that the HPV link to cervical cancer might be one of my favorite Nobel-Prize-winning sciences. This discovery effects every young woman in the world who is able to access the HPV vaccine. The HPV vaccine protects against the two types of HPV that are responsible for causing 70% of cervical cancer cases. I'm glad Harald zur Hausen got recognition despite efforts made by pharmaceutical companies trying to take a stake in the drug. You can read about Harald zur Hausen's scientific process here: http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/2008/hausen.html. And no, Michele Bachmann, I didn't become mentally retarded after having the vaccine.Feb 14 2012: Along the line of Nobel Prize controversies is the list of those who were unfairly left out of recognition for particular Nobel prize winning work or those who received recognition unjustifiably. Here are just a few instances that I have come across in my classes, I am sure there are more. One example is Jocelyn Bell Burnell who discovered radio pulsars, was not a co-recipient of the Nobel Prize in physics awarded in 1974, but rather her supervisor Antony Hewish received instead. However, it was Bell and not Hewish who observed the anomaly which would lead to the discovery of pulsars, Hewish even went so far as to tell Bell that the anomaly was a result of human error.
On a related note, Rosalind Franklin who passed away before Watson, Crick and Wilkins received the Nobel Prize for their work on nucleic acids, (most notably the discovery of the double helix), was not recognized for years for her contribution to the discovery. Nobel Prize rules aside with regard to honoring the work posthumously, her X-ray diffraction images of DNA were vital to Watson and Crick resolving the structure of DNA and the absence of her proper recognition is unfortunate to say the least.
Finally, there is the case of the discovery of Insulin where Frederick Banting and John Macleod received the award as co-recipients. Banting at first refused to accept the award along with Macleod as he did not feel Macleod deserved the award as he felt the only contribution Macleod made was to provide a lab and a lab assistant Charles Best. Banting felt that Best and not Macleod deserved the award and when he finally agreed to accept the award split his money with Best to acknowledge Best's contribution. Whether, or not someone should be recognized with the Nobel Prize for just providing the economic means to accomplish the work is debatable however I think not and I believe Banting would agree.
Feb 14 2012: I don't think I have a favorite Nobel Prize winning science but a name that is frequently mentioned in my house and on which I've read a bit is George Emil Palade. He won the 1974 Nobel Prize in Physiology and Medicine, together with Albert Claude and Christian de Duve, for the innovations in electron microscopy and cell fractionation (a major component of this was the discovery of the ribosome). He is most often acclaimed with laying the foundations of modern molecular cell biology.
As for the comment about bad science, I think that only comes with falsifying data or taking credit for someone else's work (sure, in the latter case, the science is still publicized but the moral code of not stealing is completely thrown out the window). We should also remember that all these prizes are never a single man's work. Besides building on previous discoveries, more immediately, there is always the contribution of the fellow lab members working under the head of the lab.Feb 14 2012: Andrew,
Your comment on Nobel Prize winners being considered controversial because of unfavorable pasts strikes me as being quite ironic. If you look at the origins of the Nobel prizes, Alfred Nobel started the Nobel committee so that he would be remembered for something good instead of for being the inventor of dynamite. If we question the integrity of the prize winners because of something they did in their past, we might as well question the integrity of the committee itself.
I think its fitting that we honor those who have made mistakes in the past but have redeemed themselves with these prizes. They, like Nobel, deserve to be remembered for the good that they have done for the world as well as the bad.
Dick Morel
Feb 10 2012: I think many of the Nobel categories are becoming a bit dated and result in prizes that recognize brilliant but really quite tightly focused research. How about categories that reflect the huge issues of our day—sustainability (In the final analysis quite deeply related to Peace.) And, as you say, engineering. Major achievements in these areas would recognize and enhance efforts to lead our species to better and a more rational global occupancy.
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Feb 12 2012: Interesting. This reminds me of an article saying that Nobel prizes should emphasize inventions instead of discoveries because it would encourage more real world contributions. http://www.bartneck.de/publications/2007/nobel/bartneckRauterbergNature2007.pdf
Sophie Rand
Feb 9 2012: Heisenberg got the nobel in 1932 for his work, including the uncertainty principle. i love the uncertainty principle! i find it really amusing. That when you look for something or try to observe something, it will change due to your observation. more technically put, if you try to precisely determine the position of a particle, you won't be able to ascertain the moment with much precision. A former professor has a note on his door that says "if I'm not in, invoke the uncertainty principle". so funny!
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I think what's interesting about this is that it seems quite logical. Heisenbergs theoretical experiment involved trying to observe an electron, but the only way to look at something is to shine light on it. By shining light on an electron or shooting a photon at it, you're putting energy into the electron, thereby changing it's original state (the one you wanted to observe)
scientific version of we want what we cant have?Feb 15 2012: I'm surprised nobody has mentioned António Egas Moniz as a least favorite: the guy who got the Nobel in Medicine in 1949 for "the discovery of the therapeutic value of leucotomy in certain psychoses" - i.e., lobotomies.
Roger Do
Feb 14 2012: There has been many discussion about removing Economics as a Nobel Award worthy scientific endeavor due to an authority's overwhelming influence in directing the research that is absent in other Nobel Sciences.Feb 12 2012: Probably Golgi and Ramón y Cajal (1906; individual staining of neurons although it only affects specific ones for some reason) but really, it's hard to say a favorite because each is so important. Good and bad science is hard to differentiate though. I mean, you can look at it empirically or through how much the discovery contributed to our understanding of a subject. The engineering thing could also be applied to math; I don't know if it's true but I heard the story behind math is because the creator was jealous that a mathetician stole his girlfriend away. There could be a similar story behind engineer or just that no one has argued for it long enough.Feb 11 2012: She received the Nobel Prize of Phisiology or Medecine in 1986Feb 11 2012: Dr. Jaroslav Heyrovský, czech scientist. He was a great electrochemist and for Nobel price was nominated for 18 times - in years 1934, 1938, 1940, 1944, 1947, 1950, 1952–1959 for chemistry, 1940 physics, 1948, 1949, 1953 in medicine. So he is my guy!
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Feb 12 2012: That's a lot of nominations! I noticed that they are also for different fields of science. He finally won in 1959 for chemistry. I wonder how many prize winners have been in his position of being nominated a lot of times before winning, and the reasons for them winning with the science they had done.Feb 14 2012: Jiri,
Looking through this fascinating conversation started by Andrew, I have been able to research all different types of interesting scientists and Noble Prize winners. However, I have found that Dr. Jaroslav Heyrovský is definitely the most interesting of all. The perseverance Dr. Jaroslav Heyrovský had was inspiring, as he was so close for so long, and finally won 25 years after being nominated 18 times. Furthermore, he was honored all around the world for all the great work he has done. It is incredible to be so talented in multiple fields like Dr. Jaroslav Heyrovský was. Thanks for sharing this, as his story is truly something to look up to.
JoshFeb 9 2012: That of Nikola Tesla, my Croatian fella. Diggit?