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- Laura Sibinescu
- Bucharest
- Romania
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Are governments interested in keeping us 'dumb'?
Educated citizens are difficult to govern - this is a recurrent argument I've encountered while discussing education with various people.
Do you think it's in a democratic government's best interest to keep its citizens ignorant by maintaining largely outmoded school systems and educational policies, a lack of transparency, or the failure to encourage social and political participation? Or would a democratic government prefer to work with an educated, involved citizenry?
Mar 28 2013: I think it is the citizens of most democratic nations that dumb themselves with obsession with pleasure and entertainment; and twisted views of freedom as a license to do anything and everything.
Mar 31 2013: I agree. Let such people set an example that we should NOT follow, and I thank them for showing us where NOT to go. And maybe by our examples we can help them to see the right way.
edward long
Mar 27 2013: There is an ongoing effort to eliminate the great chasm of difference in education between first-world nations and lesser developed countries. The driving philosophy behind this effort is that educated people are not easy to command and control. In an effort to institute a single, global system of unchallenged Socialism big brother must blend all the economies and education levels into one, manageable level. If you live in a first world nation you are experiencing a "dumbing-down" process while lesser developed nations are establishing basic education programs. The end product of this new world order will be productive, compliant workers who trust everything to the State.
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Mar 28 2013: It is known that the educated people are not easy to command and control.
In fact, there is nothing can be controlled; it is because we cannot even "control in our life".
Mar 28 2013: Will you re-state that last sentence. I am not getting your meaning. Thanks.Mar 27 2013: Laura,
I can only speak with a tiny bit of knowledge about the US government, because that is the only country I have lived in for a considerabe amount of time.
If you are refering to a true democratic government, it is for the people....by the people...". appealing to the broad massas of people". We are the government, we elect and appoint our representatives on all levels. How many times have those who are in some way corrupt, been elected over and over again? How many times do we (the people) complain about our elected or appointed representatives, and give them the power to continue with the same inappropriate practices? It seems like a LOT!
Governments cannot "keep us dumb". I agree with you that educated citizens are difficult to control, and some people within the governing bodies would often like it better if the people did not fully understand some things. However, most people have the ability to get information IF THEY WANT TO. Some people in government positions prefer to work with informed citizens, and some do not prefer to work with informed citizens. If we are informed enough, we can choose which representatives we want to continue, and which ones need to go!
It makes no sense to keep blaming a government as a whole, when we have the ability to help change some of the dynamics of our government.Mar 27 2013: Maybe it's not the government so much as those who control who groverns. Why else would some contributors spend millions of dollars each year on political campaigns in America? Okay you don't send a kid to prep school for her to become a mathematician or philosopher. That would not be desired. Maybe the French have the right idea with the schools Napoleon created.
Ellen Dubber
Apr 3 2013: The democratic process in Australia insists that all eligible citizens vote. Does this make a difference? For example in relation to political campaigns and contributors trying to sway voting as well as voters. If you subscribe, as I do to the belief that voting citizens have power to choose their government based on what they see as the most important agenda issues (rather than which government is going to meet their most immediate material need), then we are as responsible for dumbing ourselves down as any government. I'd like to know more about what you are referring to George, in relation to the French and the schools Napoleon created. It is not something I know much about.
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Apr 6 2013: Ellen,
How does the Australian government "insist" that all eligible citizens vote? How does that work?
Apparently it DOES work...
Australia has a 93.22% voter turn out!'
Sweden - 84.63%
Brazil - 81.88%
I just posted these radomly.....here is the 2010 data:
It looks like Australia is one of the highest, and USA one of the lowest!
How do you do that Ellen???
Do the majority of Australians look at the important issues, rather than which person or party will satisfy their immediate issues? That would be GREAT if we (USA) could all embrace this practice!!!
I totally agree with you that we, as individuals are responsible for "dumbing" ourselves, and we are responsible for the people we appoint and elect!
Apr 7 2013: Hi Colleen,
The answer is that voting is compulsory in Australia. I would love to think that we voted on important issues rather than immediate needs, however many would say that is not the case. I do believe that compulsory voting is a way of getting a greater proportion of the population engaged in "important" issues but I have no evidence to back that up.
Our elections often seem to be "dumbed down" to issues of immediate material need despite the fact that we are, in the scheme of things, a fairly affluent country. We currently have a national " debate" over the funding of educational reform and the debate seems more focused on the cost of the reforms rather than finding a way to make it work. That in itself sounds like prioritising material needs over the educational future of our children. The long term consequence of stronger and more equitable educational opportunities is surely a good way to build economic prosperity and security for all citizens. This of course is particularly important for marginalised citizens who can then build their capacity (via education) to contribute and participate in the broader society.Apr 7 2013: Ellen,
How is compulsory voting enforced?
Apr 7 2013: There are fines for not voting. All those of eligible age are encouraged to register with the Australian electoral office and an electoral role is kept. I have always complied and am not aware of all the details around enforcing this but it seems that most citizens comply and take this "right/obligation" for granted.Apr 7 2013: Wow fines....that will do it obviously! I cannot imagine giving up the right to vote, but lots of people do. Many folks don't think their vote matters....they don't think there is a possibility for change, and that is unfortunate.
Paul Lillebo
Apr 26 2013: As has already been said here, every government's greatest interest is in keeping itself in power. Having a well-educated citizenry may not keep them in power.
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Democracy is the most difficult of all governing systems. It's core idea is that power to rule derives from the people, and the ultimate power to decide policy rests with the people, though we entrust this power temporarily to representatives. And here's the rub: Policy made by uninformed policy makers is apt to be bad policy. So for democracy to really work, the public must be well educated. Very well educated. Even an ordinary good education does not prepare "the people" to make sound decisions about governmental policy, where "the devil is in the details," - details that the people generally will be unaware of.
Lenin, who supposedly wanted to create a society where everyone was equal, realized that the people couldn't possibly run the country. That needed to be done by an intellectual elite. The people couldn't even be trusted to select their leaders. Similarly, every revolution - even the American revolution - has been led by an elite which was careful to preserve their power by limiting the people's opportunity to unseat them. (The gaining of voting rights in the U.S. was a gradual thing - originally only white males with a certain wealth could vote, and not for the President or Senate, just for the House of Rep's.)
The unfortunate fact seems to be that these founders were right. By and large, the elite could make better decisions than the people. Today our situation is the U.S. is that most people have a fairly good education, but it is still not good enough to withstand the lure of easy campaign slogans and phony promises of benefits. People vote on the basis of the most shallow appeals, with little understanding of complexities. So if a country with reasonably well educated voters sees its democracy hi-jacked by political professionals, we should at least open our eyes to the limits of democracy.
Lee Park
Apr 2 2013: The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed a standard citizenry, to put down dissent and originality.
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When children start going to school, not only they spend most of their day in the classroom, but they start being conditioned to the 8 to 5 schedule which will be the blueprint of their future.
Let's highlight the main points that the education system is very successful in imprinting on the minds of our children:
1. Truth comes from Authority
2. Intelligence is the ability to remember and repeat
3. Accurate memory and repetition are rewarded
4. Non compliance is punished
5. Conform: Intellectually and socially
Public education does not encourage critical thinking or imagination. It does not teach emotional inteligence. It does not encourage the pupils to work together to solve problems. It does not seek and help develop an individuals natural skills and abilities.
It creates programmes the pupil to fit in to its social and economic system.
People are not being educated; they're being tested for levels of obedience. School is about memorizing what you are told short term and repeating it. The bulk of how you are graded is by completing daily work. Obedience is, in fact, work force's most important quality in a worker bee.
Is this keeping our children dumb? It's certainly not stimulating and awakening them to reach their full potential.
In any case, advancements in technology, science and globalization along with the likely collapse of an unsustainable capitalist system, the illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.Apr 2 2013: Well in the West government power is distributed and governments are convoluted. I don't think "the government" as a collective body is coherent enough to be interested in anything. We might say "the government wants this and that" but really we might be referring to Congress or Parliament, the President or Prime Minister, the military generals, etc.
That being said, I believe there's a web of high profile players bound by mutual interests, that may be accused of manipulating public perception for its own ends. For example, political parties push issues that get people riled up, but don't require an educated opinion. Instead of the public's focus being towards the economy or foreign policy, people are more occupied by issues like abortion and same sex marriage. While these might be important issues, they're thrown out in the media as honeypots to gain followers for the party. The mainstream media stations in the United States are partisan-run and frequently fail to cover important issues, in favor of covering issues that alienate viewers from the opposing party.
The media companies represent sponsors in addition to their political party. For example, Fox News refused to run a story on r-BST after a meeting with Monsanto lawyers. NBC and other media outlets refused to cover SOPA (the Stop Online Piracy Act) because they supported the bill. Some news sources exist primarily as propaganda outlets. The Washington Post features three speech writers for George W. Bush, who consistently publish deceiving articles to manipulate public opinion. RT is propaganda on the anti-American front, funded by the Kremlin and publishing slightly misleading stories aimed to enforce resentment amongst Americans.
I don't believe "the government" actively tries to keep its people uneducated. Every country, even China, wants its citizens to be the most advanced and educated. Though there's plenty of areas where State institutions are caught misleading the public. Especially foreign policy
Apr 3 2013: I agree that it is not the government at large trying to confound the public rather than random groups who's arguments could not stand a chance in real debate. There are those, however, that dedicate their lives to enable everyone to enlighten themselves. The truly sad part is that, they cannot gain any ground in their constant struggle against those who simply wont support them because it does align with their short term, selfish goals.Mar 28 2013: I think you need to define "dumb". The politicians of the world ... as my friend Pat Gilbert ... would tell you, have only two objectives. 1) Get elected and 2) Get re-elected.
A educated constituate is much harder to control ... but if you educate the constitutency in how you wish them to think then they are not dumb ... they are compliant. If I teach you that Keynesian economics is how we do business and offer you no comparision (Austrian economics) you are not dumb but your education has focused you in one direction ... if all you have ever been taught is socialism then democracy would seem stupid and ill advised ... if the state provides everything for you .. you accept it ... because that is the way it is and you have been taught that by the state.
All of these things have become harder to control by the politicians because communications make people more aware than they were in the past.
I cannot explain why the events are occuring in the USA .... people continue to drink the koolade as we continue to self destruct. It is generally accepted that the government of the USA has practiced "dumbing down" the students in all phases of our education system and is demonstrated in falling from a leader in world testing to the bottom third of the bottom third in comparative testing. Yet there is no outcry of defiance. Pass the koolade.
I wish you well. Bob.Apr 6 2013: What we need are governments that made up of individuals are better educated, creative and innovative thinkers. I think it's in the citizen's best interest to elect politicians that can actually do their jobs and it's up to all of us to insist on transparency.Mar 31 2013: I a m not expert in democracy I live in a democratic country and everything seems to be the best that can be.
I think that the greatest achievement of modern governement is to give access to knowledge and keep people unaware of the how to and the agenda of the governement.
But I think as says before that in our first world nations the priorities are pleasure and entertainment.,as long as governement maintain those priorities ,nothing else matters for the most.
"Panem et circenses" >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread_and_circuses
my questions "what must be the relation between governement and its people" or "Is there only one moral way to rule " "is there a perfect answer"???
In my opinion the answer is somewhere between moral authority,citizen well being,democracy and financial dictatorship.
Gail .
Mar 27 2013: Edward Long hit the nail on the head.
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In the USA, students - in their compulsory state-sponsored schools - are taught provable outright lies about their own nation's history as well as how their government is supposed to work. This makes it impossible for the people to fix what is broken, while they beg to be victimized.
In addition to the overt lies, there are the covert lies - in the form of censorship - where information that all should know is not mentioned. America was supposed to be a country that is "of, by, and for the people" and those skills essential to running such a government are not in the curriculum.
Furthermore, because the pot-smoking hippies of the 60s and 70s refused to be drafted and objected loudly to an unfair and unjust war - forcing the War in Viet Nam to come to an end in spite of the fact that the government wanted it - pot (a non-addictive drug that makes you loving and sleepy) is now a Schedule I drug - listed as more dangerous than meth, cocaine, and other drugs that actually make people violent.
There has been a considerable "dumbing down" in America, and as a result, we are now a nation of functionally uneducated sheeple. All who want to keep a people oppressed deny education. The people have become the enemy of the state.
If people knew how much they don't know, and how they are being used, they would be sick - and no human being who knows what government is doing to them would be able to respect it.
Scott Bell
Mar 26 2013: Excellent question......but where is this Democracy you are referring to?
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Mar 27 2013: Of course it's debatable precisely how efficient democracy is in practice, whether many countries claiming to be democratic truly are and so on. I understand what you mean.
The reason I referred to democratic governments in my question is that often authoritarian governments do, in fact, want to keep their citizens ignorant for many reasons and have a system in place to achieve that. With democratic governments, if this is indeed the case, it's far less obvious.
Scott Bell
Mar 27 2013: I understand. No government is required for Self Enquiry......Understanding of the Self.....True Understanding. Ignorance, in today's world, is a Personal, Egoic Choice. Know thyself and all else falls into Place or falls Away. We live in a society where "success" is quantified largely by how much money one has.........that's about as primitive as it gets and it is but a Scratch on the surface of Life. We've ourselves to blame.......change will come out of change in the individual.....not government.
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Barry Palmer
Mar 26 2013: I think the people in government are people. Government is not a single thing, but a bunch of individuals, each pursuing her/his agenda.
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I think it is in the interest of power to keep most people dumb. The government needs some intelligent and educated people to run the government and provide the government with technology.
It is in the interest of the people to have an educated and intelligent population.
These different interests cause a tension within the government, sometimes even within an individual.
The agenda of "government" is complicated. Almost any simple statement about it is probably incomplete and misleading.
Zdenek Smith
Mar 26 2013: Governments are composed of people with various interests and abilities. I think the current state of education is the result of past decisions, unionized workforce and lack of funds.
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Hopefully with technology we can change this and I can see that society starts to see the need for highly educated kids in the modern workforce.Apr 7 2013: Hello Ellen
Re: Public approval? Important issues?
Foods & entertainments are superficial appeasement for common people. Common people are not interested in knowing public service and or public policy. Common people miss the extremely important points that are values civic virtues and the public life. Contemporary politician's plan is concerned how to win the votes of the common people. The plan is to give out "cheap foods and entertainments" would be the most effective way to gain political power in the short term. In short, Contemporary Politicians must come to be public approval. Contemporary politicians must provide people their basic needs, then, can increase political power in the short term.
Apr 8 2013: Hi Lamb Lamb
I agree with you that many people are not interested in public policy and will vote for governments that meet their basic needs. While governments should be firstly meeting the basic needs and rights of its people, it has the capacity to do more.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/political-science/2013/apr/05/experts-experimental-government?CMP=twt_gu th
This link discusses the issue of evidence required by government and the challenges of those in power to access and understand the evidence that may inform "good" policy. It also refers to good practice based on evidence.
My view is that those of us with the capacity to support and generate "good" evidence and "good" practice have an obligation to our fellow citizens to bring that to the attention of government either by the way we vote or the way we engage with government and fellow citizens. This is where our power lies if we believe that governments are capable of and willing to "keep us 'dumb'"
Thanks Lamb Lamb for your comment.Apr 7 2013: Not one who wants to want to have a future. Not one who desires industry and health care. Why only tax dumb poor people when you could also tax rich (smarter sometimes) people for way more money. This non-dumb people can also solve problems for you. I'm sorry but the question is kinda silly. It sounds like a conspiracy theory in the making.
You are totally begging the question IMO. http://www.skepdic.com/begging.html http://www.fallacyfiles.org/begquest.html
"Do you think it's in a democratic government's best interest to keep its citizens ignorant by maintaining largely outmoded school systems and educational policies, a lack of transparency, or the failure to encourage social and political participation? Or would a democratic government prefer to work with an educated, involved citizenry?"Apr 4 2013: Ecole Polytechnic ,Ellen - Ecole Normal Superior, etc. I don't remember the one for diplomats and where most of the recent Presidents went. Okay Miterand went to the first which is for scientists and engineers. They do things very differently than how Americans do it. We've had two Yale graduates who were members of Skull and Bones run against each other. That's not the problem; the problem is our elections are so expensive that American politicans are always running for reelection. People do give lots of money for elections for good government. However, their idea of good government is not my or your idea. Our campaigns last so long that they cost so much more than the ones for the French and English.Apr 3 2013: Please tell me, today in history display evidences, the most important and positive historical events –
"Common people" had their experiences "power with" "Government" or Gov. is "power with" the Common people.Apr 3 2013: Perhaps an educated and ethically sound society could find a way to govern itself, rather than be governed upon with interest not their own. Where on earth, though, can one find an entire society of people with these characterists?Apr 2 2013: Democratically elected governments want their citizens to be educated enough so they can participate in economic activities, since the economy is what for all intents and purposes keeps governments in power. Most people, regardless of their social, political or intellectual background, want to have a stable and comfortable life (home, family, all basic needs met daily, etc.). As such, anything which would negatively affect that life is going to be cause for people to get upset, and their targets are typically high profile individuals such as politicians. Therefore, politicians have learned over the years to not "tip the boat" among their constituents and stick to lame and bland platforms that upset the fewest number of people (not to mention excessive amounts of pandering). This then creates a system of apathy in regards to politics, because so long as peoples' livelihoods aren't harmed then they don't need to care about their government.
So I'd say that democratic governments are only concerned with citizens for two things:
1. Getting politicians in office and keeping them in office
2. Keeping the government coffers filled so the whole system stays running
Hopefully that all made sense!Mar 31 2013: An educated society is difficult to control. This is a recurring theme throughout history.Mar 30 2013: We try to control people and things.
We try not to be controlled by others.
In other words, if we know when we die, then, we have the power to decide how to deal or how to control.
In fact, there is nothing can be controlled by human; it is because we do not know when we " die"!
Warm Greetings to you,Mar 27 2013: I think it's in everybody's interest for everybody to be as smart as possible, because our lives are all connected. After all, if you invent something great today, I may get to use it tomorrow.Mar 27 2013: Hello edward long
Politicians create solutions by pointing to their own interests for a small group of people.Mar 27 2013: It is a bit of a fallacy to think of government as a monolith. The more relevant perspective is to realize that Politicians have 2 goals in life one is to get elected and second is to get reelected everything else is superfluous.
What politicians want is your vote and they create problems to solve in order to get that vote. The problems and solutions are created by them.
Mar 27 2013: Politicians create solutions?
Mar 27 2013: "solutions"Mar 26 2013: The problem here is that Educated Citizens does not imply that they would think the same thing. Having all the citizen "well educated" does not necessarily mean that there would be no discussions. Everyone is different,
As for the "Dumb" factor, i think that there is an advantage in keeping people ignorant, so that you can in some way better control them, as long as those people start to consider governements actions as negative. In that case having a "dumbb" citizenry is not so favourable for governments, bacouse those people would not be reasonable nor willing to discuss peacefully.Mar 26 2013: I would say they want us dumb enough so they can fool the majority of us.
That is to say in an outdated and bureaucratic method of thinking.
I think you will enjoy this TED talk.
I feel the country/government that first adopts national online education, will become the next generation super power.


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Wednesday, November 03, 2010
JOHNSON CITY, Tenn. (Nov. 3, 2010)
Riding an eight match winning streak, the ETSU volleyball team hits the road one final time during the regular season as they take on Kennesaw State and Mercer, this weekend in Atlantic Sun action. The Bucs will clinch a first-round bye and at least the number-two seed in the upcoming Atlantic Sun Championships with two victories.
The Bucs take on Kennesaw State on Friday night at 7 p.m. before making the short trip to Mercer on Saturday at 3 p.m. ETSU and Kennesaw State are currently tied for second in the league with matching 6-1 conference marks.
ETSU (23-6, 6-1 A-Sun) is fresh off a 2-0 weekend in league play this past weekend. The Bucs knocked off Stetson 3-1, before sweeping Florida Gulf Coast 3-0 on Senior Day, Saturday afternoon. With the two victories during the weekend, the Bucs clinched a birth in this month's Atlantic Sun Tournament at Ft. Myers, Florida. ETSU is one of only three teams in the league to have already punched a ticket.
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Alysa Long
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Megan Devine
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Jamie Stancliff
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Erin Ryan
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Lauren Baufield
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celebrated Senior Day with another strong performance as she recorded 13 kills on .478 hitting with five blocks in the victory over Florida Gulf Coast. Long recorded her second straight double-digit kill match and maintained the top spot in the A-Sun for hitting percentage and blocks. In addition, Long currently stands 22
nationally in blocking at 1.30 blocks per set.
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and Baufieldeach recorded eight kills on the afternoon. Baufield also added 10 digs and six blocks. Ryanhad six kills and eight digs, while Stancliffhad five kills, seven blocks, and three digs.
Kennesaw State (14-9, 6-1 A-Sun) enters the weekend riding a six match winning streak of their own. The Owls defeated Campbell 3-1 last Friday night on the road in A-Sun play. Sabrita Gulley and Alyssa Lang lead the way for KSU offensively with over three kills per set each. Gulley has recorded 298 kills (3.77 kps), while Lang has 238 (3.13 kps) on the season.
ETSU owns a 4-2 advantage all-time against Kennesaw State, which dates back to 2006. Kennesaw State won the last meeting, however, 3-2 this past season in Johnson City.
Mercer (12-16, 4-3 A-Sun) enters the weekend following a 1-2 week. The Bears fell to UNC Asheville in non-conference action 3-0 last Tuesday before dropping a league match against Campbell 3-2. Mercer did defeat UNC Wilmington on Sunday in non-conference play 3-1.
The Bears are led by the trio of Amiee Frutchey, Jamie Duffy, and Krista Hurley as they each average over two kills per set. Mercer leads the A-Sun in digs thanks to libero Charlotte Harris, who leads the league individually in digs at 5.35 per set. Mercer also stands in second behind ETSU in blocking at 2.04 blocks per set.
ETSU is 5-3 all-time against Mercer and are coming off two straight wins against the Bears. The Bucs swept the two matches last season against Mercer, winning both in three sets.
The Bucs will return home for the final time in 2010 as they welcome in USC Upstate, Wednesday night at 7 p.m. inside Brooks Gym.
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The second release of Dario Carnevale for the japanese label ALBORE, "PORTRAITS", is a piano solo album, portraits of a people, sometimes anonymous floating in his mind, drawn with a lyrical, pensive and strong touch.
Most of the record is solo, although two tracks feature the drummer Luca Colussi – but Carnovale creates a sound that's often as full as a trio performance, given his deft handling of melody, and inherently rhythmic style – even at mellower moments.
Titles include "Seven Steps", "Giant Steps", "Miriam & Sara", "Aforisma #2", and "La Flamme De Scriabin".
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Tom Hignite - Miracle Studios and 'Miracle Mouse'
Way back in November 2003, when the late Roy Disney went to war with then Disney CEO Michael Eisner, the news sent a seismic wave throughout animation and the entertainment industry.
Out of the midst of it all there appeared a new member to AnimationNation and a noble effort to keep traditional hand drawn animation alive and thriving.
From the state of Wisconsin came Tom Hignite.
Tom was a real estate developer and home builder. He was also an avid Disney enthusiast and unknown to most people even today, an exception artist. His home designs reflect his skill and his love of animation, and his artwork is good enough to find professional employment in the animation industry if he decided to go that route.
Here's Tom's inspiring story of how he formed an animation studio in Wisconsin and the progress he's made with his project, the 'Miracle Mouse' property...
Traditional Indie 2D Miracle Mouse Feature Project Comes To Hollywood!
In some quarters of the animation world, Wisconsinite Tom Hignite's efforts to create a traditional 2D Disneyesque feature film is very old news. He made quite a few headlines inside the industry when Hignite, an artist and home builder, decided it was a worthy effort to attempt to re-create an animated feature film using the Disney great animated classics for his inspiration.
Hignite had a thriving home designing and building business in 2003, when he took a family vacation to Walt Disney World in Orlando Florida. He had spent a lifetime drawing, painting, woodworking, and sculpting. He attended 5 different Wisconsin art schools, with the full intentions to become a graphic artist. He was a political cartoonist in a small local newspaper. He never imagined that he would become a home builder but , as Hignite says, "a series of unique opportunities came my way through my Father's bartering for a vacant lot in a business deal. My wife Jacquie and I had just finished designing and building our first home and, while the building process was frustrating, I loved the aspect of designing homes, and my wife was a great business person. I saw the opportunity to start building homes as the ultimate version of doing really large sculptures. I had no interest in building anything that anyone else had ever seen before. To me, it was just another really big, creative art project on steroids."
Back in Orlando, the Hignite family had gone to the Disney MGM Studios animation tour. That Disney animation studio, back then, was an actual working Disney animation studio. That studio staff had just finished production on Disney's Brother Bear. To the tour group's surprise, all of the animation artist's desks behind the glass walls were empty. The tour guide told the group that the artists had all done such a good job on Brother Bear, that they had all been given a hiatus until the next production would be started. "The hair raised up on my neck as I smelled something was not quite right. I could not believe that Disney would stop their long heritage as the World leader of 2D animation. What about Beauty And The Beast and Aladdin? My kids and I had memories of these being some of our first family movie experiences." said Hignite. Then Hignite made a few phone calls to see what was really happening at Disney animation.
After finding that Disney was in fact closing their Orlando studio and had laid-off much of it's Burbank California's animation staff, Hignite decided that the timing might be right to gather some top "fresh out-of-work" animation artists. It might be time to try to create another Disney/non-Disney 2D classic. "I figured that Walt Disney was long dead, and apparently no one( in power) was left who cared enough to carry-on his legacy unless their were suitable box-office dollars attached to doing so. I thought it was shameful not to try to do something about that", continued Hignite. He traveled to Southern California and Orlando Florida to interview artists and slowly brought 13 artists to the Milwaukee area to begin his film. Hignite's Home designing/building company ,Miracle Home Builders, had been dabbling in small bits of animation for the closing taglines on his local television commercials. His mascot character was named Miracle Mouse and , to many, bore a striking resemblance to Mickey Mouse. At that time in their history, this resemblance was not a coincident. He wanted to capture the essence of Mickey, without being a direct copy. Even with the character's differences, if a feature were to be made, that mouse-to-mouse similarity would have have to evolve even more. Production began and the first main section of a animated musical revue number was the immediate first phase of the project. Everything seemed to be moving forward in producing the feature. A few short years later in 2006/07, the housing market, which was the sole lifeblood of the animated feature, took a sudden down-turn. The economy hit what many consider to be the worst recession in housing history.
The animation staff was given a three month warning that unless the home sales improved, the artists should all start looking for other work. Meanwhile Hignite began advertising the animation studio, going out to try to sell 2D projects to anyone who could use some animation work. Home sales did not turn-around and the staff was largely laid-off and given a few weeks of severance pay. One staffer remained to keep the project on a slow simmer. Disgruntled , the re-located animation staff, were again out of work and their opinions came out in articles and on animation websites to bemoan their unexpected loss of employment. The project still continued it's snail's crawl , ever-towards the finishing line. That line now looked many years away.
Fast forward to late 2008. Hignite received a phone call from an out- of -work, and now, out of his home , animation artist who was now living on the streets. This accomplished 18 year veteran Disney artist had once enjoyed a 6 -figure salary. He had once been interviewed by Hignite but they never came together on a financial package that would work for them. This artist was now asking for any kind of job, even sweeping floors, just to get off the streets. During a phone call with the artist, Hignite offered encouragement and casually mentioned that while he was in no position to hire anyone(his home building business had just had many lay-offs of their own), if the artist would be in Wisconsin, Hignite would at least be able to offer him a room until he could find gainful work. A month later, the artist took Hignite up on his offer. hignite and the Hollywood actors union funded the re-location and at Christmas 2008 the artist arrived in Wisconsin. Animation work on Miracle Mouse and a small wage was traded for room and board .
In 2011, after 2.5 years more work on the feature, Hignite finally had his first version of the film. It was a very elaborate series of what looked like fully illustrated film frames. Such a thing might normally be called an animatic but in this case, it was much more. This condensed 27 minute version had a good portion of custom, fully orchestrated music, and a few professional Hollywood voice actors doing the main parts.The pacing was brisk and the 27 minute high-end animatic version played in front of test audiences of various local school children as well as in front of the Milwaukee animation club, of students and professionals. The project received instantaneous applause and mainly high praise. Critiques for ways to improve the story were offered and considered to improve the film.
"It was a huge benchmark and the fulfillment of part of the dream but more importantly, this was a fantastic shakedown for tweaking and improving the story,"said Hignite. With new printed promotional materials in hand, Hignite traveled to a media buyers convention in Miami Florida in January of this year. A television producer had attended one of the test screenings and wanted to represent the film , present it to potential buyers/investors, and try to turn it into a television series. While that idea did not get a taker(yet), the feed-back was supportive of the feature and the expansion of the short 27 minute lushly illustrated animatic, into the the same quality,full length 115 minute animatic version feature film. The notion was also floated to try to get a few "name" stars involved to replace the bulk of the voice-over actors.
2 weeks ago, Tom brought the next big step of his Miracle Mouse project to Hollywood. After months of searching for the right character voices and names, Hignite decided to find a way to afford to bring major lead male actor and a female actors to the project. Through a series of twists and turns and negotiating, the male actor was confirmed. Oscar winning, 95 year young iconic actor Ernest Borgnine recorded the voice for the protagonist scrooge-like character, Cranky Crane. The female lead of Mrs. Gander was voiced by the red-hot , Emmy ,and Golden Globe award winner,(and star of Glee) Jane Lynch. A special brief appearance of Mrs. Mole was voiced by long-time Hollywood actor(Alien, Witches Of Eastwick, The Birds)Veronica Cartwright. Industry voice-over Hollywood veterans Jeannie Elias(Miracle Mouse) and Danny Mann(Okey Doky the beaver) fully re-recorded the re-vamped and updated full feature script.
2 California artists that came to work on Miracle mouse in Wisconsin, and still have a good hand in the production, also went on to teach animation at a Milwaukee art college, Milwaukee Institute of Art And Design(MIAD). 3 of their most promising students were just brought aboard this week to work as interns on Miracle Mouse for the next 3 months. New additional music was just recorded to augment the film, including a brief opera song to be sung(clucked) by a rooster. Hignite is busy in the audio studio preparing the features' "final" sound track. Last week, in response to an animation Guild newsletter ad, over 80 background animation artist applied for a job with Miracle Studios doing freelance backgrounds.
Hignite expounds, "I never grew up with a worship of Walt Disney. Our family never went to any Disney theme park until I was in college. I most remember Walt from his hosting The Wonderful World Of Color Sunday television shows. I first really became interested in Walt when I was looking for another similar company to my own home building company. I saw my homes as the most creative and innovative homes being offered in our market. I wanted to use the mental link to Disney to associate my company with a name that instantly brings thoughts of creativity to the masses. Years later, when we began the Miracle Mouse feature, the hardest thing for me to get across to the animation staff was that I wanted my own style, not Disney's. I have no issue with taking "inspiration" from Walt's films, but I want to do something in a new style so it does not look like a poor re-tread of what has already been put on film before. For one example, I wanted to embrace tangents (background items touching other items, not overlapping them)while the staff was accustomed to shun this new idea. When an artist would draw a tree that looked like a tree, I wanted to make it a tree that had never been seen before, yet looked familiar. I wanted to create a plausible fantasy world unto itself. To get our style set, we first produced a very nice hardcover illustrated book for Miracle Mouse. That has become our style guide of sorts'
The aspect of good story telling is crucial and paramount to any good film. Hignite feels strongly that he has a message to tell that kids and adults need to hear or be reminded of. The film is decidedly 1950's old-fashioned. The story has no blue humor, farts, or burps. At it's core, the central messages read like a stack of fortune cookies. Optimism tops pessimism, friendship is worth sacrifices, helping others to succeed is with the effort, do unto others as you would wish them to do to you. politeness always wins out over harsh anger. Patience will pay-off in the end, happiness is infectious -so is anger, believing that great things can happen is the start of great things happening, we all can create our own destiny, we all have the ability to make our dreams come true. As for those last few lessons, Hignite appropriately places his feature's future in these exact hopeful sentiments.
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Here's a poster for Tom Hignite's cartoon.
Miracle Mouse in 'Cranky's Miracle' featuring the voice of the great Ernest Borgnine among other notable actors.
And here's video about Tom's project...
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The link to Tom's Miracle Studios in Wisconsin...
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Thank you so much for the visibility on Animation Nation for my film project. Charles, you are a scolar and a gentleman!
I also took your advice and the website wwwTraditionalAnimation.com is running a fairly long article about Miracle Mouse and it's journey on their site in a few business days. They asked for copies of a lot of our visual development work. We just sent them our biggest package of(over 35 pieces of artwork) art we have yet sent-out on Miracle Mouse, so thanks for heading me in that direction Charles!
In the last 2 weeks, I have recieved over 100 inquiries and support e-mails from animators around the world(but mostly in southern California).
We still have a very long road to go until we will be seeing our feature on the silver screen or gracing the shelves of Walmart on the cover of a DVD box, but adding a few star names to voice the production, axcellerating our production on our full-length animatic, and a lot of new press is helping us get to the ultimate goal a little faster.
Tom Hignite
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Congratulations to Mr. Hignite for closing in towards the finish line on his dream.
This appeared to be a very long and painful ride, as I have been following this project for the past seven years. It seems that this film is extremely close to seeing the light of day, and all involved, as well as all who WERE involved can be thankful for that, I hope.
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Still here, Charles, and still reading!
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Congratulations, and my best wishes to Mr Hignite and the whole team at Miracle Studios. This film is looking very nice. I enjoyed watching the artwork and animation a lot.
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Dear EAllen,
I too would like to share your feelings that this film is extremely close to seeing the light of day. I and my very small team have sure put a whole lot of time and effort into taking it to this stage. I would not however be surprised if this film takes many more years to complete. We are just now in the full animatic stage. We are doing this a little oddly as we are producing the full painted production backgrounds as we prepare an animatic(hopefully good enough to be entered into film competitions as a new "experimental" form of film), unlike anyone may be used to seeing. Then after audience testing, we will either go forward with the full animation process or re-tool the story and try all over again with a re-vamp. I think oru story is working but it makes no sense to animate a poorly told story. that is what got 2D in this mess to begin with. My original fire to do this project was to show that 2D can succeed. To do that we MUST first have a wonderful story or we will be another Home On The Range. At this time, I am seeking expert story people from the animation world to act as a brain-trust and see what we really have here. I have already been given some very helpful notes from a few such "animation angels".
Dear LongyTV,
I am glad you got joy from seeing our art and animation. It has been a labor of love in the most sincere form and it seems to be showing. Thank goodness! If you wish to see more art/vis-dev from the production, check-in on www.traditionalanimation.com sometime this coming week. Thanks all.
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Hello Animation Nationers,
Today, the website www.tradtionalanimation.com posted a group of artwork from Miracle Mouse on their main headline article. They also posted a few very short video clips of Ernest Borgnine and Jane Lynch doing their audio sessions in Hollywood a few weeks ago.
It is hard to believe that Ernest is 95 years old! Both were sheer joys to work with and , as you might expect, consumate professionals. We are still busy editing the soundtrack for the full feature animatic and it is turning out wonderfully.
Tom Hignite
P.S. Thanks Charles for connecting Lavelle at Traditional Animation's site to Miracle Mouse.
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That's a good write up Tom and a good website. The link doesn't work cuz it's misspelled. Let's try this...
Just a few seconds of Ernest Borgnine? Is there a way to get more footage of him online? He looks great for 95 years old. One of my favorite actors of all time. Academy Award winner!
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Hello Charles. I composed a reply about a few interesting stories on Ernest Brgine's session. but it seemed to disappear. Did you get it? Tom
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No I didn't. Could you try again? If it's a lot of text try typing it out in a word program first then copy it over to the reply box.
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Interesting story about my audio session with Ernest Borgnine last month in Hollywood. He showed-up EARLY by about 15 minutes. He did not argue or have any sort of an additude whatsoever. He did not demand any special treatment or certain goodies be present at the session. When we were doing a little back-and-forth over the agreed price, he was logical and accomodating.
His part as the main antagonist-tuned-protagonist saw lines for him on most of our 97 page script. It took him only about 2 hours to do all of his lines and many of his lines were read in a manner that was better than we might have envisioned the lines being read. He was gentleman enough to allow us to do a short video interview afterwards(perhaps to be released on the DVD edition some day), and he even signed 20 posters over his character's image just before departing.
When he came to the studio, there were several steps to go up to get to the doorway. He went up those stairs like a man 20 or 30 years younger than he. He has won an Oscar for best actor in the Academy Awards nad has appeared aling with most every major Hollywood star in so many famous movies and starred in a hit television series, McCales Navy.
Ernest is still a working actor and is in demand. He has the age and experience to simply "phone-it-in" for doing an animated independent movie( if he so wished). Instead he came tot he session and first wanted to sit down and discuss some special ideas he had envisioned for the character. Since his Cranky Crane character was a crane(the bird kind, not the machine type) he suggested we try to use a mix of his voice and an actual cranes noise when he says his catchline "Humpth!"
His speaking was as down to earth as if he was an unacomplised no-name blue-collar factory worker. When anyone tried to tell him what a living legend he is, he dismissed it with a smile and moved onto other subjects.
If you can not tell, I was impressed beyond words by this man's simple honesty and sincere additude.
I am coming back to Hollywood in the next several weeks to do some pick-up lines with Mr. Borgine. I will enjoy seeing him again even moreso in light of my first experiences with him.
Tom Hignite
By the way, did I mention he is 95 years old?
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Dear Animation Nationers,
I was busy "working" today having a Sunday client meeting when my lead animation artist Philo called me on my two-way phone. I brushed him off and quickly told him I was busy but would call him back. Then my wife called me a minute later insisting I talk to her. Both called to tell me that one of Hollywood's biggest stars, and the star of our 2D animated production , Mr. Ernest Borgnine had passed-away. With-in an our two television stations were interviewing me because our Miracle Mouse animated production may very well have been the last professional acting(voice-over) work Mr. Borgnine did before he passed. I was about to fly out to do another audio session with this "living legend".
He apparently died of natural causes with his family at his hospital bedside. I lost my own father a few months ago and while, for me, this is not in that league of personal loss, this has affected me more than I might have thought.I keep replaying my talks with Ernest(I was honored that he told me to call him Ernie). Ernest was such a strong and memorable personality. He summed up the essence of the word "nice". He was also gentle, polite, professional, and a beloved GIANT of a man. I will miss him very much.
Our foyer white board now has a drawing of his character ,Cranky Crane ,crying drawn on it. Funny timing, Philo had been working, this very Sunday(at home) on a very sincere and caring scene in our film where Cranky has to say good-bye(forever) to a dear friend. Philo just felt moved to work on this scene then he heard the sad news.
Life is short. He would have been 96 in October but he seemd like a man of 60.
Tom Hignite
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Here ya go Tom...
Oscar-winning film star Ernest Borgnine dies
July 8, 2012
LOS ANGELES (AP) — Ernest Borgnine, the beefy screen star known for blustery, often villainous roles, but who won the best-actor Oscar for playing against type as a lovesick butcher in "Marty" in 1955, died Sunday. He was 95.
His longtime spokesman, Harry Flynn, told The Associated Press that Borgnine died of renal failure at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center with his wife and children at his side.
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The Dock sends your digital music files wirelessly to Sonos players throughout your home preserving the sound quality from the iPod/iPhone to the speaker, ensuring you get the highest fidelity sound. iPod Compatibility: The Sonos Dock is "Made for iPod/iPhone" compatible and supports the following iPod/iPhone models and functions (as of June 2012): iPod/iPhone Model Generation Media Type Control Type Display Type Charge Audio Video Out CR200 Controller (optional) iPod/iPad Song/Artist Info Track Info dock-connector 3rd N N N N N N N clickwheel color-screen 4th N N N N N N N mini 1st N N N N N N N 2nd N N N N N N N video 5th N N N N N N N classic 80GB Y N Y Y O O Y 120GB Y N Y Y O O Y 160GB Y N Y Y O O Y iPod nano 1st N N N N N N N 2nd N N N N N N N 3rd Y N Y Y O O Y 4th Y N Y Y O O Y 5th Y N Y Y O O Y 6th Y N Y Y O O Y iPod touch 1st Y N Y Y O O Y 2nd Y N Y Y O O Y 3rd Y N Y Y O O Y 4th Y N Y Y O O Y iPhone 2G Y N Y Y O O Y 3G Y N Y Y O O Y 3GS Y N Y Y O O Y 4 Y N Y Y O O Y 4S Y N Y Y O O Y Note: Apple iPod/iPhone software updates may change functionality results. If you download a newer software version, you may need to reset the device and your iPod/iPhone to regain functionality. If this doesn't work, you may need to revert to the older software version or wait until a newer software update is available. Music Playback: The Sonos Dock will play music stored or playing on an iPod or iPhone, including many music apps. Autoplay Mode: You can dock your iPod or iPhone and the music that's been playing automatically starts playing on your Sonos system. Autoplay mode provides a seamless transition between your portable and home audio experience. You can walk in the door, place your device in the dock, and the music that's playing on your iPod or iPhone automatically starts playing over your Sonos system. Autoplay is supported from any compatible docked iPod or iPhone to any Sonos player or group of zones. Autoplay Zone: You can select the zone (or group of zones) where your docked iPod/iPhone's music will automatically play and the desired volume level. This is the zone that will automatically play audio if you start music directly from an iPod or iPhone when it is seated in the wireless dock. Multi-Room Playback: You can wirelessly play the same song from a docked iPod or iPhone in every room of the house through your Sonos system, perfectly synchronized. Flexible Music Control: You can browse and select the music from either your docked iPod/iPhone or any Sonos Controller (sold separately). You can select music directly from your device when it is seated in the dock (autoplay mode), or you can use any Sonos Controller to make music selections and control playback (accessory mode). Using the optional Sonos Controller, you can browse your iPod/iPhone's music by Playlist, Artist, Album, Genre, Song, Composer, Audiobook, or Podcast. Information Display: The Sonos Dock does not feature an LCD screen and does not offer music information display. You will continue to use your iPod/iPhone's LCD screen to view song information. Using the optional Sonos Controller, you can view Track number, Elapsed playing time, Song title, Artist name, Album title, and Album art. Volume Control: The Sonos Dock features volume controls to adjust the audio output level of the dock to your Sonos system. Charging: The Sonos Dock quickly charges your iPod or iPhone while it's seated in the dock. The Dock supports 1 Amp charging, the latest specification from Apple. LED Indicators: The Sonos Dock is equipped with two status indicator lights to indicate operating status of the dock. LED flashes white when powered up; flashes green and white when connecting to your Sonos Multi-Room Music System. LED solid white when powered up and connected to your Sonos Multi-Room Music System (normal operation). 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United Nations Development Programme
UN Compound
202 - 204, Bauddhaloka Mawatha
Colombo 07, Sri Lanka
With the end of three-decades of conflict in Sri Lanka, the country is now in a position to boost economic growth and achieve equitable and sustainable human development. However, some challenges remain to be addressed. Having started operations in Sri Lanka in 1967, UNDP's overarching goal is to support the country in the attainment of the Millennium Development Goals and the reduction of poverty. UNDP pursues this goal by working closely with the Government of Sri Lanka in line with the National Development Policy Framework Vision, Mahinda Chintana 2011-2016 and within the United Nations Development Assistance Framework (UNDAF).
Building on years of strong and trusted partnerships with the Government and civil society, at the central and regional levels, UNDP will be placing increased emphasis on institutionalizing good downstream practices, promoting multi-stakeholder approaches to policy advocacy and reform, and harnessing Sri Lanka's knowledge for South-South exchange and global learning. UNDP will also work together with the private sector, and also aim to increase its engagement with women and youth, promoting them as leaders and decision makers and empowering them to access new opportunities.
The Government's aim as articulated in the National Development Policy Framework Vision, Mahinda Chintana 2011-2016, is to preserve Sri Lanka's cultural values and traditions while developing a knowledge-based economy supporting better living standards. UNDP, with its wide knowledge, experience and capacity, aims to support Sri Lanka in realizing this vision.
Starting in 2013, UNDP's Country Programme will focus on two broad areas: Governance for Empowerment and Social Inclusion, which will include work on socio-economic recovery and development, social inclusion, rule of law and access to justice, local governance, human rights and parliamentary support, and Environmental Sustainability and Disaster Resilience, focusing on ecosystem-based natural resource management, clean energy, climate change adaptation and mitigation and disaster risk reduction.
In its new programme, UNDP will work with national and local government and the private sector, while increasing the capacities of civil society and communities enabling them to jointly plan, implement, monitor and sustain socio-economic development. UNDP will also aim to create sustainable livelihoods and protect human rights with special attention to the needs of the marginalized, including women-headed households, youth, plantation sector workers and conflict-affected communities. UNDP will continue to support the sustainable development agenda, building on the close relationship with Government agencies and others. UNDP will work at the national level on policy issues and at the local level on local economic development, the strengthening of local governance and on environmental sustainability and disaster risk reduction, building on its close relationships with Government.
UNDP has been engaged in Sri Lanka for more than six decades and as it transits into a new programme, it builds on the results achieved so far.
In the aftermath of the conflict, UNDP helped communities establish productive livelihoods and rebuild small-scale infrastructure. It also enabled them to become more resilient by engaging in village-level planning, building cyclone and flood resistant houses and improving their capacity to respond to disasters.
UNDP has played a key role in boosting public sector performance. It supported the Government of Sri Lanka's efforts to improve its monitoring of aid flows (as identified in the Paris agenda) through the establishment of the Integrated National Data Information System (INDIS). The database monitors a range of key performance indicators, including various parameters based on Results-based Management (RBM) principles. The database, housed in the Ministry of Finance, strengthens accountability of fund utilization and ultimately, the management of aid. The INDIS system also has the capability of managing evaluations of past development projects, which includes lessons learned. This will improve development of project proposals. In 2011, with UNDP technical support, the Ministry of Finance and Planning made it mandatory to use RBM techniques for performance monitoring and budget preparation.
In supporting governance structures, UNDP has been building the capacities of the central and deconcentrated arms of government, as well as the locally elected bodies. These are now in a strengthened position to plan and coordinate their development activities, using multiple sources of information, and adopting best practices for building design and land use.
UNDP has built a close relationship with Government agencies and other concerned institutions on environmental issues and is well-positioned to support the national agenda for sustainable development. In improving response to disasters, UNDP has provided technical assistance and training to strengthen the National Disaster Management Center. UNDP supported over 30 government agencies involved with development, conservation and planning to conduct an Integrated Strategic Environmental Assessment for the conflict-affected Northern Province, which established environmental baselines and mapped important archaeological areas and wildlife corridors.
More recently, UNDP commissioned the second National Human Development Report, 2012. Recognized as a useful input for the National Budget for 2013, the NHDR examines the social and economic disparities across Sri Lanka's geographic regions and across different groups of the population and assesses the health, education, employment and governance sectors. It serves as an advocacy tool as it puts forth a set of policy recommendations to help overcome disparities, enabling Sri Lanka's people to contribute to and participate in its overall socio-economic progress.
The Resident Representative of UNDP is also the Resident Coordinator, who heads the UN system in Sri Lanka. The Country Programme is managed by a Country Director who manages the day –to-day operations of UNDP Sri Lanka under delegated authority for the Resident Representative. The Country Director is assisted by one Deputy Country Director who heads the Programme and Operations of the Country Office. UNDP, under the new programme cycle, will be moving towards having two results-oriented thematic clusters corresponding to the two main focus areas (Governance for Empowerment and Social Inclusion and Environmental Sustainability and Resilience), in which, programme and operations staff work side by side. A policy support faculty will provide the platform for policy dialogues on key national priorities and help design strategic initiatives and mobilize resources.
UNDP Sri Lanka works closely with the national coordinating authority, the External Resources Department of the Ministry of Finance and Planning, and the National Planning Department, and with line ministries as well as with local authorities, civil society and community based organizations, academia and other UN Agencies.
Total numbers of staff and their contract modality. This includes UNDSS local and international staff. UNDSS local fixed-term contracts are issued by UNDP.
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|Service Contract
|UN Volunteers
|UNDP Staff
The following is a list of Individual Consultants/Contractors and Service Contract holders who receive US$ 30,000 or more from UNDP in Sri Lanka over a 12 month period:
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|Consultant Name
|Value (US$)
United Nations Development Programme
UN Compound
202 - 204, Bauddhaloka Mawatha
Colombo 07, Sri Lanka
With Sri Lanka entering a new phase of development, the 2012 NHDR examines the social and economic disparities across Sri Lanka's geographic regions.
As UNDP in Sri Lanka moves into a new programme cycle from 2013, this publication captures the key achivements and way forward


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Washington's battle over the fiscal cliff is best understood as a confrontation not only between Democrats and Republicans, but also as an early skirmish in what could be a decades-long struggle for resources and influence between the Brown and the Gray.
That's a phrase I've coined, drawing on the work of demographer William Frey, to describe the two giant generations that will dominate American life in the coming decades. The Brown is centered on the racially diverse Millennial Generation (generally defined as young people born between 1982 and 2002) and the even more kaleidoscopic cohort (sometimes called The Homeland Generation) born after them. The Gray is centered on the preponderantly white baby boom generation moving into retirement, plus the older Silent Generation that is already there.
Over two-fifths of the Millennial Generation are non-white, and the Census Bureau recently projected that a majority of Americans younger than 18 will be non-white around 2018. Meanwhile, because the US largely banned immigration between 1924 and 1965, about four-fifths of today's seniors are white and experts like Frey expect that number to drop only slowly in the decades ahead. In an America that is simultaneously diversifying and aging—browning and graying—these are the two generations at the cutting edge of the change.
Politically they are on a collision course. Polls show the Brown generally believe they need public investment, particularly in education and health care, to move themselves and their children into the middle class; meanwhile the Gray has grown increasingly skeptical of the taxes needed to support such programs and dubious of public spending on anything except the Social Security and Medicare programs that directly benefit them. In 2012, President Obama won three-fifths of voters aged 18 to 29 (and an even greater share of non-white young people) while about three-fifths of both white seniors and whites near retirement backed Mitt Romney. In the exit polls conducted on Election Day, three-fifths of voters over 65 said government is doing too much; three-fifths of voters under 30 said it isn't doing enough.
Although it is rarely discussed, the debate over balancing the federal government's books directly pits the interests of these two groups against each other. At the core of many of the choices Washington faces in resolving both the immediate fiscal cliff and its longer-term budget challenge are questions of generational fairness.
The best way to understand the generational implications of budget choices is to consider them over a lifetime. To borrow from the common conservative terminology, all Americans evolve from takers to makers and then back again over the course of their life. "Early on, we are all takers," notes Robertson Williams, a senior fellow at the Tax Policy Center. "We go through school and we are being supported by the public education system, and then grants and loans for college. Middle-age we tend to subsidize everybody else [through taxes]. At retirement we tend to draw it back out. Either end of your life you are a taker, middle of your life you are a maker."
Measured against that scale, the baby boom has lived a charmed life. It benefited from expanding public investment when it was young (from the interstate highway system to expansions of the great state public university systems); participated in voting itself declining taxes during its working years (the top marginal income tax rate fell from 91% when the first boomers entered the workforce to 35% today); and enjoyed increasingly generous entitlement programs for retirement (offset partly by the decline of guaranteed private pensions).
The Millennial Generation has been dealt a much tougher hand. It has matured in an era largely of stagnant or declining public investment, and it faces the prospect of both higher taxes during its working years (to support entitlements for a senior population expected to double by around 2040) and a retrenchment of those same benefits by the time it retires. The resolution of the fiscal cliff, and the longer term budget challenge, will either compound or blunt that inescapable inequity.
Three dynamics will shape that verdict. The first is how much debt America's adults will leave to their children. Public debt can benefit the next generation if it is directed into investments that make them more productive. But much of our public debt now is being accumulated to finance current consumption (in different ways, both retirement benefits for today's seniors and the war in Afghanistan fit that description); that squeezes the opportunities available for future generations by requiring them to divert more of their tax dollars to paying interest costs on the debts they inherit. The Congressional Budget Office projects that without any intervention, federal interest payments will double as a share of the economy over the next decade or so. So a threshold requirement of any fiscal deal that aspires to generational fairness is to reduce the amount of debt we require future generations to shoulder. "Doing nothing is bad for kids; the current baseline we're living under is going to be squeezing children out of the budget," notes Julia Isaacs, a scholar at the Urban Institute, who studies generational patterns in public spending.


text: News from the Heights If you need more information, call Le Moyne's Office of Communications at 315-445-4555 or contact via email Joe Della Posta or Molly McCarthy. Read past issues of the magazine Le Moyne College Hosts Third Lecture in "Science and Religion in Modern America" SeriesSYRACUSE, N.Y. (For Immediate Release) … Le Moyne College will host the third in a series of lectures on "Science and Religion in Modern America" on Thursday, Dec. 6, at 7 p.m. in the Panasci Family Chapel. Thomas F. Tracy will speak on "Evolution and the Problem of Evil." The talk is free and open to the public. If we embrace a new theology of nature according to which God's creative purposes are realized in and through the evolutionary process, what can we say about the role of suffering and death in the world God has made? Charles Darwin himself remarked that evolutionary processes appear to be "blundering, low and horribly cruel." How is this compatible with the traditional affirmation of God's goodness and the goodness of creation? Tracy will address these and other questions in his talk. Thomas F. Tracy, Ph.D., is Phillips Professor of Philosophy and Religious Studies at Bates College in Lewiston, Maine. His research focuses on issues in philosophy of religion and theology, and on topics in applied ethics, including medical ethics and the morality of warfare. He holds a bachelor's degree from St. Olaf's College in philosophy and religion, and a master's degree and doctorate from Yale University. "Science and Religion in Modern America" is an initiative led by the McDevitt Chair in Religious Philosophy and the McDevitt Center for Creativity and Innovation at Le Moyne. Its principal aim is to engage members of the campus community, as well as the broader Central New York community, in a candid, respectful conversation about the complex and seemingly disparate subjects of science and religion. The central pillars of this two-year endeavor are nine public lectures by eminent scholars, which will be held over the course of three academic semesters, and a concluding conference, which will be held in the spring of 2014. All of these events will be digitally recorded and made available on the McDevitt Center website. For more information, contact the McDevitt Center for Creativity and Innovation at email@example.com #####posted on: 11/5/2012


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Basically, this creates an extended desktop to drag and drop other browsers or programs allowing you to do multiple things at once without clicking back and forth
especially helpful for doing things and watching youtube or a movie at the same time
Step 1: Find a Monitor
in my case, my dad was throwing out perfectly good (very dated and huge) monitors that are basically obsolete compared to a high res flat screen of today.
Either find someone who's doing the same by throwing out a bunch of dated monitors
-Dumpster diving
- Or just buy a monitor (anything really, your preference)
Step 2: Setup
Wire the power cable to a plug and wire the video cable to the computer or laptop.
Try to setup the monitors almost touching, you'll understand in a minute
Step 3: Program the monitor
my computer had it's own program and i cannot promise you yours is the same. Anyways, go to graphic devices and you should see boxes and monitor settings. Find multiple display and check the box of extended desktop. In the drop down arrow select monitor.
Here is where your preference comes into play. Depending on which side you put the extended monitor you want to place the boxes ( you should see some boxes to the right with numbers in them) in the right places. Mess around with it until you get it right but for me, I have my new monitor on the left and therefore I placed in the the number 2 box to the left of the number 1 box.
The size of the box may be adjusted as well and that is your preference.
- They justified buying a wii just because of the world news feature (only used it for games)
- 8 Giant plasma screen TVs each tuned into a different news station
graphics properties
right click
settings advanced button
some sort of driver menu graphics properties button
beyond that, yes it is possible that you do not have to same or even at all the software to my knowledge =\
but i'm pretty sure that everyone has some sort of program to enable/disable monitor settings.
hope that helps =\
I'm sorry i can't be of more help here but try a computer store near you and just explain what's missing ( I honestly don't know the name of the cord, i'll guess it's the video input =])


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Classic Low Lead Compliant Widespread Lavatory Faucet with Curved Metal Lever Handles
This collection captures the opulence and sophistication of the storied past. Characterized by dramatic proportions, Classic is dignified and graceful. Most impressively, its aesthetic appeal never seems to go out of style.
- Cast brass spout and side valves
- Ceramic disc valve cartridge
- Flexible hose connections for 6"-12" installations
- Maximum flow rate: 1.5 GPM (5.7L/min)
- Includes 1-1/4" drain assembly
- Faucet contains less than 0.25% total lead content by weighted volume
- WaterSense certified
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Links Menu (Blogroll) »Add a Blogroll Link
You can manage a blogroll (a set of links) using the Links menu in your Dashboard. These links will display on your blog if you have added the Links Widget from the Appearance -> Widgets page.
Add New Links
To add a new link, click on Add New in the Links menu:
The Add New Link page will load, which looks similar to the image below:
Name Module
In the Name module, add your link text. This is the clickable text. For example, if you add a link to http://amazon.com/, you might type "Amazon" into the Name text box.
Web Address Module
In the Web Address module, add the site's URL, beginning with http://. If you browse to the site, you can copy the full URL from your browser's address bar. For Amazon, you'd enter http://amazon.com/.
Description Module
In the Description module, add text that describes or explains the link. This text will show when visitors hover their cursors over the link. For Amazon, you might write something like "Cool place to shop online."
Target Module
In the Target module, choose where the link will open when clicked.
- _blank forces the link to open in a new window or browser tab, depending on how the visitor has configured their browser.
- _top opens the link in the top frame. WordPress.com doesn't use frame, so you'd only use this if you were showing your blog inside a frame on another web site. If you don't know what a frame is, don't worry about this option.
- _none loads the link in the current window or browser tab. This is the default option.
Link Relationship
The Link Relationship (XFN) module provides a simple way to represent the human relationships behind your links. Please see the XFN site for more details.
Advanced Module
In the Advanced module, you can add some additional details: the address of an image to display above the link, the RSS Address of the site's RSS feed, any notes you'd like to add, and a rating from 1-10.
Categories Module
Use the Categories module to organize your links into categories. For example, if you create links to ford.com, toyota.com, and gm.com, you might assign them to an "Automobiles" category. Those links will then display under an "Automobiles" heading on your blog. Read more about managing link categories here.
Save Module
In the Save module, you can select the option to keep the link private so it won't display on your blog. Click the Add Link button when you are finished.
After adding links, don't forget to add the Links Widget to your sidebar to display the links on your blog. You can also go back and edit your blogroll links.
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Goals: Stardust's encounter with asteroid Annefrank was used as a dress rehearsal to prepare for its primary mission to study comet Wild 2.
Accomplishments: The spacecraft passed within about 3,300 km (2,050 miles) of Annefrank and determined the asteroid is irregularly shaped, cratered and about 8 km (5 miles) in diameter. Although the main goal was to test systems and procedures for its primary mission, Stardust turned up intriguing information about Annefrank. The asteroid turned out to be about twice the size anticipated, but with a much dimmer surface.