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Ok. The company that I have been building a product for has asked me to come on board. Thy want to pay me per unit, on the books as an employeee of their corporation. I will build the units in my shop. What will I need to cover myself in the form of liability and such? Will be an employee of their corporation be enough to protect the roof over my head or should I be considering a full blown small business position? I do work on the side now and don't do more work than I legally need to claim at the end of the year. I want to continue to be legit with everything into the future and looking for some opinions. Always wanted to start my own business but a week economy has been putting me on hold for a while. All input is appreciated and I think this oppurtunity to do it on a partial basis working with one company as well as getting my own going could be great. Thanks. Dave PS- Am I too confusing now? LOL
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are you reffering to regular insurance or legal stuff like product liability?Kelly
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As an employee of their company, working on their payroll and them taking the taxes out for you makes the results of anything you do for them their responsibility. Now if you were working as a subcontractor there could be liability on you. YOu do not need to get a LLC or any type of business license working under their payroll so don't even worry about that. The less like a seperate entity/business you apear to be the less you have to worry about.
Just being an employee that works from home and buys his own tools is the best solution you could ask for. Even if you get hurt at home, if you're technically "on the clock" for them and working for something of theirs they even have to keep workmans comp on you
Although they can weasel their way around that one saying that "you should have been on "company grounds" or something but as long as you keep your paycheck stubs if it were to ever come to that and fighting about who is responsible for your medial bill a judge would likely side with you..
As for your home and tools, they (the employer) would not be responsible for them if there was a fire or anything resulting in the damage of said property adn tools(welder whatever) as a result of you working.
I have owned my own home painting business for a tad over 5 years and i've learned a lot about what can be put on me so i am extra carefull. I also run my welding business underneath the home painting business' ID and insurance (this is legit) this allows the insurance on my company to cover anythign that may happen while i'm welding for some one. I don't have anything to cover the medical i rack up being self employed as i pay no workmans comp. Also, don't sub work from them if you can be an employee, it may sound better but you get screwed royally on taxes as a sub (been there, done that)
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I don't understand how adding you as employee makes sense for them-as Turbo pointed out they will have to cover Payroll Taxes & WC
I would look into how they are actually going to pay you as it doesn't add up to pay you by the Piece- I doubt it is legal- don't know for sure.
To figger out the Taxes they owe on you, based on the amount they pay you per piece- which is sort of a Salary- would be a PIA for accounting.
.... and if they don't take money from the amount per piece then they are doubling their cost for the Product-which certainly does not make sense.Ed Conley
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11-14-2008, 08:57 PM #5turbo38t Guest
hope it all works out, a little extra $$ is always nice. hope you find a CYA situation so you can keep the opportunity.
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Your description of the employment situation sounds unclear and that can be risky. One simple way to clarify this is ask the company you are working for whether they will send you a W-2 statement at the end of the year (as an employee) or a 1099 statement (as a subcontractor) for payment of the work you do. Depending on the state you live in, the rules for subcontracting can be tricky and complicated. BUT, it often hinges on whether you are required to pay Workers Compensation insurance. Often, as an owner of a company you can claim an exemption for WC insurance. If you are an employee of company they will be required to cover you for WC insurance. Also, the IRS has something to say about your employment status. If you work full time for only one company as a subcontractor - even if you have a subcontract - the IRS can declare that you are an employee (this can happen when you work for one single company for more than a year or two). The reason: they get more tax revenue if you are an employee. The easy way to find out more about this is call the Secretary of State in your location. One thought about personal liability. If you are worried at all about lawsuits filed against you for the work you do, consider moving all your assets to your wife's name, that's what doctors and attorney's do (of course that raises other issues that can keep you up at night).MTBob
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Theyare the ones that asked me to do more work. They said they would pay me as an employee of the company and that I should talk to some people about liability and what not because I will be doing the work from my house. I will ask about the w2/1099 designation. They seem to want things to work out and want me to run their shop fulltime if it gets to that point. Dave
The people you should be talking to about insurance are Insurance folks
It certainly is an interesting scenario.
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Comments On Dec 14, 2012:Easy installation, good fit and finish. Just remember that they are breakable, quad took about a 200ft tumble, sheared one tierod end, bent the other and bent the rod. I don't know how well stockers would have held up, but I am pleased with these.
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Comments On Feb 13, 2012:I broke a tierod on a raillroad track trying to cross it. I got home and ordered these and they are great! They are lot thicker than the stock banshee ones. The could be alittle longer. Im almost at the end of the threads. other than that I have had them for about 50 hours and they still look great
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Gallery: London Design Festival 2010: The Best of Designersblock
Made in Peckham is a furniture range by Hendzel & Hunt, made of pieces taken and found on local streets and reclamation yards in the designer's own area.
Chooi Leng Tan presented two products for taking gardens into compact living conditions. This version is called the Vertical Herb Garden.
Brick Habitat sheds light on how cities tend to hinder animal life and offers an oasis where humans and critters can co-exist. The bricks are pre-shaped like small habitats for birds and squirrels.
Bodging Milano is a project executed by nine designers going back to the roots of traditional woodworking methods. The result of six days of chair making is exhibited in the foyer of Designersblock.
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Hilarious! Loved them all, feelin' for the kitty with the bow though!
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Thanks for your visit today. I have heard of that method for treating plantar faciitas, however, the ease of just slipping into a pair of shoes was more appealing to me. (I'm the lazy sort!)
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I didn't like last year's Crazy Light Boost bc of the traction and terrible forefoot cushioning. Adidas addresses both those issues with an awesome traction pattern as well as increasing the foam in the forefoot. The shoe really feels like a running shoe but made for hoops. Primeknit is fantastic and has a nice little skeleton inside the upper for extra Support. Boost as always is awesome and really makes the shoe stand out IMO. I bought my normal sz 11 and these fit perfectly. Great job Adidas ! ... read more
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Hi Brian,
Here is a picture of my Connie (Chris Craft Constellation 500) riding peacefully on Kirwan Creek near my dock.
The original is much sharper but this is the best I can do in about 100K. BTW, I have 1392 posts which I think makes me a Commander.
A member of the Connie Forum, David Ross, has asked if a specific section for pictures could be added to the forum. I've mentioned that pictures can be added to the posts but I'm not sure that he's comfortable with the picture posting process. A lot of the members can't seem to master pictures. It's strange because the members of the Catalina forum seem to be very familiar with the picture posting process. Can you do anything?
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Enclosed picture was taken in 2009 when we owned the boat. It is kind of a classic 1965 CC Cavalier with a plank, not plywood hull. It was built in Stockton CA and has twin 318 Chryslers and has been pretty well maintained. We sold it recently when we upgraded(?) to a 1984 381 Catalina. I kind of miss the old girl (the boat, I still have the girl taking pictures on the bow) from time to time.
I thought you might want to include it in your gallery.
This process was done in Windows XP / IE8
BoatGroups restricts the size of uploaded pictures to 100kb,
in a file type of .jpg, .jpeg, .gif or .png. Most image files are in the .jpg
or .jpeg format already, so that
will be a least likely scenario (I can detail how to convert if need be). Most pictures will also be more than 100kb,
especially if taken from a newer camera at full size. To make the picture
smaller in size:
Microsoft Office Picture Manager: (Came stock in Microsoft Office)
Right click on the picture, select open with, choose "Microsoft
Office Picture Manager"
Picture > Compress (at bottom)
Select Web pages
*This automatically resizes them to 448 x 336, and usually
comes to 76.2 kb, which is perfect size for the forum.*
The most important part after hitting ok is to select File
*DO NOT hit "save" because it will overwrite your
file, and if it is the original, it may be next to impossible to recover the
picture at the original size.*
Save as a new name in a location you will know to go to in
the next step.
Go to the reply field at the bottom of the page, in the top
row on the far right, is a tree with a blue up arrow. Click this image.
A new window opens (be sure your pop-up blocker is off) and
click the browse button.
Locate where you saved your edited copy of the picture.
Click select, and it will place it in your reply field.
This upload process should be the same on all browsers.
There are countless websites out there that enable you to
create a free account and upload nearly an unlimited amount of pictures, that
you can then send to anyone via email, blog, or forum. The most popular
websites are flikr and photobucket.
Sign up (with yahoo or gmail, or create your own new
On the next page, you can go to step 1, but I'm going to step 2 (uploading pictures).
Click step 2's "Upload your first photos"
You'll be taken to another page, where you see "Upload to
Flickr", and how much you have used of your 100mb limit. (if you just signed up, this will be 0 mb).
Choose step 1, and a new window opens (turn off your pop up
In the new window, navigate to your pictures. Hold the ctrl
button down while clicking pictures if you wish to upload more than one at the
same time ({I} highly recommend).
Then the page refreshes with your photo list and total size.
Make sure the button is clicked to have the pics public, or else they will not
show in the forum.
Click upload photos and videos.
Another page uploads.
Then it says finish.
Click add description, then just save at the bottom (adding a description if
you like)
It takes you to a gallery page. Click on the photo you want
to add to the forum.
Near the top left, there is a "Share This" button. Click it.
The drop down gives you some choices. To work in the forum,
click the "Grab the HTML/BBCode" second from the bottom.
Click the bullet under the code box that says "BBCode".
You can select how big you want to display the photo, the
page wont break (scroll horizontally) if you keep it at medium.
Click in the text box, hit ctrl + a, ctrl + c. (Selects all
then copies)
Then go to the forum thread you want to post in and write
what you want for your reply, then hit ctrl + v (paste).
Then hit submit when you're finished. Your new post pops up with your picture!
Sign up for a new account.
In the blue header bar (home, albums, etc.) there is a green
button that says "Upload Now". Click it.
Click the green button on the next page: "Select Photos and
A new window opens. Navigate to your pictures to upload,
selecting multiple pictures using the ctrl key.
Select open.
As soon as you do, your upload begins.
When the photos are uploaded, click the "save and continue
to my album" button.
Back at the album page, hover over which picture you want to
post in the forum (you must do this one at a time).
While hovering, go to the bottom of the box where it says
"IMG Code". (This is Flickr's equivalent of BBCode.)
Select the text in the box on the right of the IMG Code
title, and it will automatically copy.
Go to the forum thread reply box, and write your message,
then press ctrl + v (paste).
And your done!
If you have any questions or are stuck somewhere, or have a simpler solution, please feel free to post. Questions can also be directed to my PM or email.
I'm not sure whether Dave wants a totally new site for storing pictures or just an easier way to post them on the existing site. Personally, my only problem with the existing system s that sometimes the maximum size allowed puts a crimp on posting pictures.
I'll post your post on External Websites on the Connie Forum and see what reaction I get.
A number of the members of the Connie Forum have been gravitating towards posting on Facebook. I think this is a mistake and may create problems. I hope the rampant identity theft on Facebook doesn't bleed over to this site.
Therefore, as an alternate, could we just create a new BoatGroups Forum called Chris Craft Constellation Photos? I could suggest that they publish all their photos there. If necessary, in order to keep the size down, we could limit the number of 100K pictures to a dozen which would keep the post size down to 1.2MB per boat and limit the number of posts per boat to one. I doubt the total load would be more than 25MB.
From a BoatGroups site architecture standpoint this would require almost no changes. Please let me know what you think.
Pete - isn't this going a little over the top? "Rampant identity theft""? Could Facebook stay in business if this was the case. There are levels of protection one can add. Your previous post indicated you worry about someone reading the transom name and stealing one's identity. There are so many easier ways to steal ID's that the thought of someone taking the time to look at a boat name then go through the steps it would take to gain useful information just does not add up to me.
I have been using online bill payment programs for 20 years. Never have I had a problem, no theft, no phony checks, deposit always on time, etc.
I buy, pay and do a lot of online activities. I use PayPal regularly. I buy on eBay. The key is having a good protection program on your computer and taking advantage of protections the programs offer. If you do not, then you may pay the price.
Regarding Facebook: you seem terribly concerned that we'll all leave this Forum and move to Facebook. I said this in a previous post and I'll say it again; Facebook is a SOCIAL NETWORK. It simply is not designed (IMHO) for discussion of the many technical facets that we discuss on the BoatUS forum.
I believe that Aaron created a Facebook page for us to have some fun with. Maybe talk about things that aren't even related to our boats. On Facebook, if I want to talk about how wacky my new doggy acts on our boat, then I feel comfortable do that on Facebook, NOT on the Forum.
I believe that Vicki Stellato (Five Star) and myself having both mentioned that neither of us feel that anyone will desert the Connie Forum, simply that Facebook is yet another avenue which by people can communicate, albeit, in a less formal fashion.
There are already some "friends" on FB that I've never heard of. Obviously, these folks are a good source for this Forum. But they may never take the time to visit.
Hi Emory,
Nearly every day there is an AOL news item on various new scams on Facebook. I don't write them. I just read them. The "Rampant Identity Theft" phrase came out of yesterday's news item. Perhaps AOL has a grudge against Facebook but I see articles on Facebook's scam problems on TV and in the newspapers too.
Yesterday's news article also mentioned several programs the hackers use to bypass Facebook's security system. As to difficulty in getting a persons identity from the name on the transom, it's quite easy. Just go to the CG doumentation site and look the boat up. You'll usually get the owner's address. I can do that in less than a minute. If not there are broker's programs that will get the info. But that's a little more difficult because you need to know a broker.
Once you have a name and address go to any one of hundreds of "people finder" web sites and you'll get a lot more info free. And then if you want a complete dossier pay a few bucks and you'll get the whole spread. It's really very easy and a 12 year old could do it without working up a sweat.
Fortunately (and unfortunately) Facebook has millions of users and only a small fraction get scammed. It's like driving a car. Only a small fraction get killed. But you have to drive a car. You don't have to go on Facebook. Why take the risk when there are many other safer sites?
I think I'm more worried about the Facebook scams bleeding over into our forum than anything else. Owning a yacht makes you a priority target for scammers. So finding a forum with dozens of yacht owners is a real bonanza for a scammer.
Brian - one thing I would like you to know, we ALL appreciate your work on the Forum. I'm not going anywhere and I do not believe anyone else is. The Facebook thing is just something we're playing with and "socializing" with without getting into the tech talk we do here. I love the Forum and what has offered and will continue to offer. The thought of Forum members
"moving" to Facebook, I believe, an erroneous one.
Again, your efforts are appreciated.
I must second the motion... The forum is great and Brian is doing a great job, Facebook may be great for certain aspects of social life and friends, BUT.. it cannot and should not replace this forum for discussions about our boats and sharing our photos.
Hi Brian and All,
Subject: Separate Topic for Posting Pictures
In a previous post I said we should set up a new "BoatGroups Forum" for posting pictures. My apologies, I used the wrong terminology. What I meant was just set up a new "topic" called "Chris Craft Constellation Photos" which would be used exclusively for posting Connie pictures. That can be done in a couple of minutes and requires very little effort. That may not be the best final solution but I think it would be a satisfactory temporary solution. If we find a better final solution we can implement it later.
While Brian is looking for a final solution, I suggest we stop beating on this problem and let him work it out. He'll tell us what can be done as soon as he figures it out. And in the meantime the temporary solution would probably be satisfactory for most.
Personally, I like the way photos are added here on BoatUS but a little larger photo memory size would be better even if a control limits the actual dimensions in the posting (so the pages dont become wider than the monitor or window). To post in a lot of other forums that I belong to, you need a photobucket or flickr account, have to upload to them first, then grab the appropriate link to the photo depending on the forum then paste it into the "post reply". Here it is nice to be able to just upload directly from our PC's.
Just my $.02
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- Gleb Tyunikov
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What do you think about the Israel and Gaza war?
Hello im an Israeli 17 year old boy since i came here at 2002 the south of the country was bomd it had some quiet time but always just for regroup of the Hamas forces.. like the last operation tha Israel did and prevent an huge attack from gaza that will take half of Israel under control but now after month and half Gaza ALREADY GAIND 80% of the arms that Israel destroyd they send warior to train in iran and they said "We planing a surprise"
what do you think israel should do to protect its people and how the WHOLE world can help to stop this war!?!?
Grace Greene
Jan 12 2013: I have carefully read all comments so far, both answers and your responses to them. In conclusion:
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Your anger is misplaced. It was not the Paistineans who put your in danger. It was your parents.
Did your parents bring you to Israel in 2002 from a place where you would have grown up safe? If so, why would they do that? Did they place God ahead of you? If so, then if you believe in God, let God protect you. It is not the world's place to do so. If you do not believe in God, then begin planning a move away from Israel.
If you moved to near the Gaza border from a safer place within Israel, why did they place you in such danger? Did they not value you enough to consider you worthy of reasonable protection?
These are hard questions to answer, especially for one so young. But such questions are essential if you are to find answers IF you are REALLY interested in finding truth.
Projecting your anger and fear onto those who are not the cause of it only gets you into deeper trouble. The truth shall set you free. Self-deception is a harsh jailer.
Gail .
Jan 12 2013: Gleb.
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I am sure that what I am about to write will horrify you, but I will answer none-the-less.
Anyone who is intimately familiar with history from the origins of the Versailles Treaty to 12/31/12, understands that the Arabs (including Palestinians) are acting in self-defense. Imagine that you were living in the Golan Heights and my country came there and kicked you off your land, bombed all the factories, burned your orchards, established settlements around your land so that it could justify never giving it back, and put up a wall that prevented you from coming onto land that your family had own for centuries. When you object, my country inflicts more punishment. When you organize and use weaponry to try to get your rights and property back, you are called a terrorist threat by my country, and my country appeals to the world to put an end to you.
You see Israel from your own narrow perspective. You have not yet seen the big picture.
I have a step-son who lives in Israel. He is a hard-liner. I have heard him PROUDLY talk about atrocities that would not be overlooked by any supposedly civilized country.
If Israel wants to end the war, it should be more interested in peace than land. If Israel wants to be called a democracy, it shouldn't be a theocracy that deprives non-Jews of the same rights that Jews have and it wouldn't have created itself as an apartheid state. If the WHOLE world wanted to help stop the war, the world would withdraw ALL support of any kind from Israel until Israel DEMONSTRATES VERY CLEARLY AND FOR A LONG TIME that it is willing to "play fair".
Israel gets no sympathy from me. You do, however, until you are old enough to know better. (when you graduate from high school)Jan 10 2013: You're talking about who is attacking first ? well let me ask you somethings,
-who started this whole thing in the first place ? Isn't Israel the first one who started the war ? Isn't Israel who occupied the Palestinian lands ? Isn't Israel who's killing and torturing and raping the Palestinian lands everyday ? Isn't Israel who violates the international laws in front of the public opinion ?
Do you remember the war that Israel started against Gaza from :" December 27th 2008 to January 18th 2009".and which I prefer to call ( Aggression on Gaza ) as the balance of powers wasn't equal, you army called this war " מבצע עופרת יצוקה ". I won't give you a history course here. So, you said in you reply to Xavier Belvemont that Hamas is using terror methods, let me tell you that in this war 1417 Palestinians were killed ( 926 civilians, which 412 were kids and 111 women ) and 4336 were injured, while 10 Israeli soldiers were killed,3 civilians, 400 were injured and most of them were just terrified and not physically injured. Israel used white phosphorus munitions during the conflict, and we all know what white phosphorus is. Israel breached the truce more than a 1000 times during the truce, Israel targeted hospitals and health centers during the war, you also targeted the UNRWA office who was providing food and help... So who the hell is using the " terror method"? when it's about palestinians everything is permissible and licit and no one says a word, when it comes to Israelis, you start crying and calling UN and US to help you and protect you when an Israeli citizen was terrified because of a rocket who landed a mile far away and not even exploded !!! you make me feel like you are humans and they are animals or even less!
Israelis, stop putting yourself in the skin of the victim always cause we got enough from and made us feel sick, when Gaza is attacked i feel upset, when you lie in my face i feel my blood boiling in my veins .For god's sake,When will you feel ashamed ?
Jan 10 2013: you saying that israel killed so many people and destroyed so many stuff.. did you asked yourself why the attacked there? i tell you why cause the rockets been shooting from neiborhoods, hospitals, the safes of the rockets and arms is under all those facilitys, dont get me wrong im against killing children and women but not when theyre soldiers who wants to kill me. and again int the war you talking about i was 11 years old im not wrong and you know that an month and a half before i didnt sudied at my school because i couldnt go out of my house because of the rockets and just after a month and a half of bombin the war started so please i belive what i hear and see not what i watch on the internet and TV
Jan 10 2013: Very convincing ! If someone came and took your land from you, wouldn't you try to take it back even if you had to use rockets ??? Oh, that's what you do because you think that Palestine is your land ! don't you ? Do you really believe only what you see and hear ? Read history from an external source than your school book, you'll be amazed of the amount of lies that you have been taught because you have one story of Israel, some are true and a lot are wrong ... . I heard once a rabbi talking and i was very amazed when he said that Israel has no land according to the Torah and that they are protesting against Israel and that they fight for a cause which is " eliminate Israel and declaring Palestine as an independent state "
watch this, it might enlighten you :
Jan 10 2013: listen i never said anything about the bible or things about god because i dont belive in this.. but israel have a land here because of the holocaust that we were been through.. and after that israel or palestain if youd like were split into 2 countries and palastine had more lands in this split the israelies whove been here agreed to that while palastines didnt and like i said in comments to XB the nations around attacked us we resisted and captured the lands so its our lands now not palastine and we took more after few years at another war and after one war we gave back Sinay to Egypt in exchange for peace and we gave palastine Gush Katif few years ago but we still beign boomed after we gave back lands. so please if you dont belive what im saying come to my village and feel the reality of leaving 2.2km from gaza while you being bombed. and im not learnig those facts from israeli text book but from world wide sources thats the reason why im chating with you here in TED.Jan 11 2013: Isn't this a confess ? Where were you before ? who was living in palestine before ? So you're the ones who came to Palestine, isn't this occupation ? and does holocaust give you the right to occupy other lands ? holocaust was in Germany, why didn't you go to Germany ? Palestine was occupied by England, and than left for Israel to continue the occupying; The things you do to palestinians are the same as Holocaust I guess. The bombing will continue until they take their lands back and so are you, you will continue to bomb them until they stop bombing you. This a non ending war, if you want peace, look for it in somewhere out of th middle east .
Jan 11 2013: we have the right to live here beccause in palestine not only plastine people were living but the zions before the ww2 and we got the right from UN to go and live here.
and please dont say we are doing holocaust to the palestine because we dosnt put them in gethos and killing them and we dosent making them work for us we suppling them food and very very much food tons of trucks so please they not in condition of holocaust and im saying that becasue its fact that they living very good not all of them but most of them and im saying it because im talking with palestines from gaza in forums online and see their homes by pictures that they are filming.
Gail .
Jan 12 2013: So there was a holocaust, and Europe so hated Jews that they didn't want to give them German lands in which to establish their state (though the Versailles Treaty gave away MOST german land after WWI - so why not give German land to the Jews?). So in their false kindness, they gave Jews someone else's land AS IF THEY HAD A RIGHT TO DO SO.
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You say that Gazans are living very good? Do you understand how uniformed you are? Do you know what the unemployment rate is? Do you know how dense the population is? Do you know that Israel works diligently to prevent employment, decent housing, access to enough food, educational opportunities, and to deny life-sustaining resources that would make Gaza a "decent" place to live?Jan 12 2013: Gleb, When you start a story in the middle, the story doesn't make sense. Your story doesn't make sense.Jan 14 2013: Let me ask you something : What is the meaning of the Israeli flag ?
Jan 14 2013: really what? i tried to look up, and found only generic things, like the star of david representing judaism in general, the color white is for peace and honesty, blue is loyalty, wisdom, heaven and other things. i wonder what is your point here. are you sure you read the right sources?Jan 14 2013: @Krisztián Pintér ;
To be honest, no ! there are lot of sources, I tried to avoid the arabs' forums because they all say the same thing, so I did my researches in english and french to try to have multiple versions of the same story, are you sure of yours ? Mine ( my point here ) says that the flag "secretly" represents the desire of Jews to conquer all of the land between the Nile and Euphrates rivers, which would involve conquering and ruling over much of Egypt, all of Jordan, and some of Syria and Iraq.
They say it's an allegation but nothing insures the inverse !!! This is one of the meanings, as you picked one of the meanings, why have you chosen to say that the star is the star of david ? are you sure from the source ? cause it means a lot of other things. And to be honest and open, anything that comes from the state of Israel ( this is called official information ) is unbelievable to me.
Jan 14 2013: how would you "insure" the nonexistence of an allegedly secret motive? any sort of counterargument just another clue how secret the thing is. the good question is: how do we know it is true? do we have any supporting evidence? i mean, any?Jan 16 2013: You can check this out, this is only the beginning i guess, More supporting evidences can be found by reading history, there are things you can never find unless if you read history written by arabs but you can say that this is not true ! this is something like me trying to tell a christian that Jesus is not the son of god, but he has a book that says that Jesus is god's son and I have a book who says that Jesus is the God's Prophet ! Or me trying to convince you that there is a creator of this universe and you and everything because I read it on a book and learnt it when I was a child,
this is not about what to believe, this is about what we want to believe !
Jan 16 2013: in short: you have nothingJan 16 2013: I've forgot to paste the link after "check this out", here it is
but Never mind, the truth is there for those who want to see it ! Why are we stuck with this flag while there are hundreds of other evidences about Israel's terrorism against Palestinians ? !Jan 10 2013: -You could always stop pre-emptively attacking them
-You could stop building settlements on their land
-You could stop taking their land
-You could allow Palestine to become an official nation
-You could stop keeping the $100,000,000 that Palestine owns for its infastructure.
Just a start..
90% of the issue Israel has with Palestine it brings on itself. Have your government stop being the problem and you won't have to defend yourself, its not a war its called repercussions.
Jan 10 2013: yes..
we not the ones who attack first just for you to know.. im living 2.2 km from the border between Isrel and Gaza so i know who attacking first cause when our forces attack i can hear it...
we dosent bulid on their land there were an suggestion of land spiliting between the plastines and the us and we did wanted it even when we didnt got all what we asked for and the palastines didnt aree for that.. and after the UK arm forces went back to England the nations around us attacked us and we resisted and by our resistance we got our land so its our land our blood is streaming there..
just for you to know palastine dont want to become an official nation because then the Hamas organization will need to couporate with the UN and its less effective to them because they useing teror method...
about the money i dont really know what are you talking about so i wont comment
but who do you think supplies them foodmedicenelectricity? israel...
and again im living 2.2 km from the border isee and hear everything that happens there and if you dont belive me come here to my village in few weeks when they start the rocket shooting again and see for yourself how it is...
and for the last opiration that "Israel started" yes we are the ones who shoot thir leader but not the first who attacked cause before that there was a week or two full of rockets from gaza to israel... and if Gaza wanted to coporate with israel they wouldnt do it with rockets...
Jan 10 2013: .
1. 'we not the ones who attack first just for you to know'
In the most recent attacks between Isreal and Palestine in November, The Israelis created the conflict by killing several civilians without just cause, one example among many.
Where I don't personally see the point in firing rockets, I see why they have no intention of letting Israel have a peaceful life if they can prevent it.
2. 'we dosent bulid on their land there were an suggestion of land spiliting between the plastines and the us and we did wanted it even when we didnt got all what we asked for and the palastines didnt aree for that.'
Heres Palestines land exchanges since 1946-2000
The new lines that Israel wanted reduced this further and Israel recently started expanding its territory onto the E1 land mass, land which Israel does not even officially own.
3. 'just for you to know palastine dont want to become an official nation'
This is despite Palestine asking for statehood and Israel and America vetoing the opportunity..
4. "but who do you think supplies them foodmedicenelectricity? israel..."
Who do you think supplies food, water and electricity to Prisoners? The government..
5. 'and if Gaza wanted to coporate with israel they wouldnt do it with rockets...'
I agree the rockets are unnecessary/illogical, but we've all seen exactly what co-operation with Israel means. We'll take your land and keep your money, control your location, and in return you'll accept it without resistance..
Jan 10 2013: 1- lets see if there will be rocket launcher from some place that aiming into a city would you let them been after knowing that from similar places for 10 years rockets been shooted? and all what you hear about that we attacking first is including big attacks but dosent including rockest for range of 5 km and below like mines and kasam rockets that falling in my area
2- first read the whole thing dont just stick to one sentnce from it.
second all the lands we got were gotten by capturing it at wars than started the nations around.
about the e1 land you talking it isnt israely lands but it is under the israeli army who again capured it during a war and the people that live there living there not from yesterday but for few years ago and you cant just tell them to leae their houses.
3- if they wanted to be an ON the were ,
4- the diffrence that prisoners are the cityzens of the country and gaza isnt so we doing this for people there who want peace. and by the way all the palastines prisoners that captured in israeli prisons getting best education and terms of living in those prisons despite what they crime is.
5 - Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon (not the hizballa)
we have peace dont we?
and another think for you to know what happend when Egypt opened their gate for gaza?? they killed Egyp soldiers took an army vechicle and tried to get into israel. and after that Egypt close the gates either didnt they?
why? because the are viloent and dont want to leave peacefully not all of them i agree with that but many.. too many of themJan 12 2013: Israel can have peace any time it is willing to allow it.Jan 12 2013: People (your grandparents? great-grandparents?) came onto someone else's land and declared themselves a sovereign nation on that already occupied land. You may not see that as an attack, but most of the world does. You would certainly see it as such if I were to come on your land and declare it my own - casting you out into the streets without safe refuge.
You might even find weapons and try to use force to get me to give you your land back. Should I call you a terrorist for wanting that which is rightfully yours? Who is the terrorist here?
Grace Greene
Jan 12 2013: Who is the terrorist?
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Hint: Not the Palestineans.
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Jan 11 2013: Gleb: It is unfortunate all around that the conditions you describe were arranged by the British Empire before you and I were born. You won't understand this conflict until you go into the History of it. First off , you should recognize that the "Arabs" were a distinguished Empire up until about the 15th century, when the Turks conquered them. They were "occuppied" by the corrupt Turk empire up until WW1. Having joined dthe Alllies, believing our propaganda that we wanted "Self determination" and Democracy, they helped fight the Turks. to defeat. After the War the Arabs were "sold out', and incorporated into the French and British Empires. So Arabs have never had any "Countries", these so called countries, like the Palestine Mandate, were phoney creations of the British under their Rule of "Divide and Conquer". After WW2, the "Winners", including the Brits, finally turned the whole Problem over to the UN. The only reason it was a "problem" was that illegal Zionist immigrants had gradually moved into the area, and numbered around 15% of the population by then, the rest were "Arabs". The UN had no particular right to give the Arabs homelands away to anyone, but opinion leaders in the West, especially Jews, thought that the Arabs were too backward and incompetent to object seriously. Incidentally, the reason they were seen in that light is that the Bedouin guerilla fighters in WW1 had been the most backward and fanatic of the Arabs; just the type you want on your side in a guerilla war, but not so good at runniing a "Nation". So the Arabs were never paid for their land, or had any vote about it at all, they were just kicked out. Since they are really not that stupid , they are aware of this, and will never agree that "Israel " is a real country, though they had no particular dislike for Jews. How could tlhey, they are literally cousins. So, as Pope Paul said, "If you want Peace, work for Justice". Period.
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Gail .
Jan 12 2013: Good explanation, but I think it should be added that Jews and Arabs lived most peaceably together for about 1400 years until the inhabited land was given to outsiders.Jan 11 2013: I think the war is tragic and sad and should end now.
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