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Perkins High assistant principal resigns
Since when can additional mills simply be tacked on to a levy once declared? Your "FACT" is simply another "no" blogger trolling. Disgraceful for such an important event, but not surprising.
Well you do the math, and it is simple math so you should be able to comprehend the answer. But then again you may need help from your Kool-aid drinkers to figure this one out. After listening to Gunner yesterday I am definitely voting No! He did tack on 2 more mill since the last levy. You would think, since you are a hired blogger that they would have at least told you that!
Please do your math. I would love to see your equations. Please go ahead. Show us. Do it. Type it out. And don't refer me back to one of your previous blogs again. Show us your math right here and now.
Tool Box,
If you take the time to inform yourself, you will learn that sometime after the May levy figures were announced, the district was notified that state funding would be cut by approx. $2 Million. Once the May levy failed, figures were updated and it was determined that either a higher millage increase than was on the May ballot was needed, or even deeper permanent budget cuts were needed, or a combo of the two, to produce a balanced budget as required by state law. This is not new information, the August levy millage figure has been the same since the BOE voted to put it on the August ballot. Yes, it is approx 2 mills higher than the May levy, and it has been since day one. We are all aware of that. None of us are paid bloggers, none of us are "Kool-Aid" drinkers. We think for ourselves.
Hired blogger? How about a concerned citizen fed up no bloggers that will find any excuse to vote down a school levy. I will admit that I misinterpreted your 2 mil increase. I didn't realize you meant from the previous levy attempt, and for that, I apologize. However, please understand that every time a levy fails, the next will most likely be higher. If it never passes, then home values (a primary investment for many) will certainly decrease. If you think your nest egg has decreased due to the economy (fortunately that trend is reversing), wait until there is a perception that the school district is weak (see Sandusky - waterfront location, yet devalued homes).
The state funding has changed and the millage had to go up. We should have passed it in May and we didn't. Take care of our students and vote yes!
I had asked a question on the Perkins Schools website and received a response from Superintendent Gunner.
I received a flat-out lie from Superintendent Gunner as a response.
I asked the need for a $100,000+ communications director for a school district. Gunner obviously did not answer that part of my question but responded by stating "First, the Director of Communications is current paid $65,000, not $100,000+ as your question indicates."
That is unequivocally false. If you search for Chris Gasteier on the Ohio State Treasurer's website at this link http://www.tos.ohio.gov/Transpar...
it states in the 2012 school year as "other official/administrative assignment" Gasteier's taxpayer funded salary was $94,315. This does not include retirement, benefits, insurance etc. so therefore the total cost to the taxpayer is well above $100,000/year for an unneeded, unnecessary, and ineffective (obviously) communications director.
Yet Jim Gunner "corrects" me by telling me Gasteier only makes $65,000 per year. Unfortunately the fact states otherwise.
If Perkins didn't have such a deceitful Superintendent who does not respect the votes of taxpayers/citizens... they might have passed one of their levies.
...because everything on the web is true, right? that was his salary as PHS principal. do a public records request before you call Gunner a liar!
First, yes, information on the State of Ohio Treasurer's website is indeed true.
Second, it is NOT his salary as PHS principal. It is for the 2012 school year. He is classified as "other official/administrative assignment" not "principal" as in prior years.
Jim Gunner did lie in a public forum.
based on the Columbus bureacracy, I believe Gunner. I will call on Monday.
From the Perkins School Website:
Question: Communications Director
Is the $100,000+ Director of Communications position eliminated beginning in the 2013-14 or 2014-15 school year?
First, the Director of Communications is current paid $65,000, not $100,000+ as your question indicates. The position is eliminated effective August 1stunless the levy passes. If the levy passes, the district intends on the elimination of this position at the end of the existing contract with Mr. Gasteier at the end of the 2014-15 school year.
From the July 11, 2012 BOE meeting minutes:
[To employ] Chris Gasteier as Director of Communications at $65,000 commencing August 1, 2012 and concluding on July 31, 2015.
I am glad to see his pay was cut.
I am curious though as to why the taxpayers were forced to pay him $94,315 for the 2011-12 school year as Director of Communications.
And then for Gunner to act in his response as though he was never paid the $100,000+.... well, yea he was.
I still have not received a response from Gunner or anyone on this forum as to why Perkins Schools finds it necessary to employ a Director of Communications. What benefit does this position provide to students and their education? What has changed in the district that this new administrative position has become necessary if it hadn't been before the prior 2 years? What is the return to the taxpayer and district for investing $75,000 into this position?
Not sure why, but Gasteier's move to Communications Director was not a voluntary transfer. He retired and then was rehired at a lesser rate. I attended BOE meetings in which the issue of poor communication between the district, the parents, the taxpayers, etc. was discussed. Furthermore, it was discussed that one of the reasons the previous levies failed was because of poor communication. I think the district thought that hiring a Communications Director would address promoting the levy and the mission of the district. What they did not address is some of the systemic communication failures that happen between parents and administrators. In my opinion, a communications director is not going to even begin to address that.
A Director of Communications is supposed to be a liaison between the school district and the community. They are to keep the community informed about the schools and keep the schools informed about the communities needs. Perkins has developed projects based on the needs of the community. The students have presented projects and ideas that would benefit the community. It is important to have this position because it does keep people in the loop on a lot of topics. We are not the only school district to have a communications director. Some of the positions are called different names but they have the same job description.
Both of your questions have been answered recently on the Perkins Levy website (http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Lev...). I'll post the answers here for anyone who doesn't want to click over.
"Question: Director of Communications
A question was asked regarding the Director of Communications and the questioner indicated a $100k+ compensation for this position. Superintendent Gunner on this forum responded that the Director of Communications is compensated $65,000. However, after searching the State Treasurer of Ohio's website, Chris Gasteier as the Director of Communications in 2011-12 was paid $94,315 per year (adding in benefits etc., it is well above $100,000).
Is Superintendent Gunner misinformed about his own administrator's salaries or did he lie?
During the 2012-13 school year, Mr. Gasteier as Director of Communications was paid a salary of $65,000 as stated previously. During the 2011-12 school year, Mr. Gasteier was on the last year of a contract issued to him as high school principal. When the Board decided upon Mr. Gunner's recommendation to move Mr. Gasteier to the Director of Communications position, it had to honor his previously contracted salary of $94,315 for the third year of his contract by law. When his contract expired at the end of the 2011-12 school year, a new contract was issued as Director of Communications with a salary of $65,000. Mr. Gasteier was informed that his move to Director of Communications would come with a significantly lower salary in the future of $65,000 and that remains his compensation today.
Question: Director of Communications
Further, what is the exact purpose of this position and why is it necessary now. It seems Perkins Schools functioned just fine up until about 2 years ago without this position. If the position is not necessary, if the tax increase does not pass, why is it necessary to the education of the district's students if it does pass?
Over the past several years, the school district, Board of Education, and Mr. Gunner have been criticized for not communicating effectively with the community. After looking at a variety of options, the Board determined that a person whose primary task was to oversee all district communications was necessary. As a result, they created the Director of Communications position. This position has been in place for the past two years and has helped to increase effective communication with our public. Mr. Gasteier, as a life-long resident of Perkins, was selected for the position as someone within the district who knew the community well and could help communicate the district mission, goals, and decisions to the broader community. Even with the creation of this position, the district has the lowest administrative costs per student of any district in the area. Our administrative costs are $238 per pupil less than the state average. Given the uncertainty of future funding, the Board has indicated that this position would be eliminated with a levy failure in August, and may be eliminated even with a levy success at the end of Mr. Gasteier's current contract in two more years."
@ citizen: My teaching neighbor has shown me her pay check and 1090 to compare actual to website. We went to the Buckeye website, which was very similar to your linked site, and her pay was no where near what was posted.
Oh my goodness! Check your facts. Chris is a retire/rehire and if anyone knows the information it would be Gunner. Why would he lie about the information if it is public record or why would he lie at all? This is why this blog is so frustrating. A lot of people post so many false statements and it gets people confused. Do your homework and then you will see that we need to support our students and vote yes!
So you are going to punish the children and employees because you hold a grudge against Gunner. Nice.
You will NEVER pass a levy as long as Gunner is there! VOTING NO AGAIN IN AUGUST!
Another grudge holder punishing the community.
Who has a grudge?
And how is voting against a tax increase punishing the community?
I have no confidence in Jim Gunner's leadership. In my opinion, he has not shown fiscal restraint in leading the district and makes decisions against the wishes of taxpayers in choosing new buildings and facilites ahead of the students and their education. I will not vote to raise my taxes to provide Gunner more money to mismanage and move to different funds against taxpayer votes as he sees fit.
Anyone who states they will not vote for any levy as long as Gunner is in office is holding a grudge. We need to move forward people. I want you to think back when you were going to be a Junior or a Senior in High School. Maybe you were an artist or an actor. Maybe you were a football player who had potential to receive a full free ride scholarship. It was a fun exciting time. Maybe you were just the kid that showed up for class. Whatever you were you did not have the concern of voters controlling our Junior and Senior year of high school and ultimately your future. The Perkins classes of 2014 and 2015 have that concern. And that stinks. So have some compassion folks. It is not just Gunner and the board you are sticking it to. It is the students. It is the employees. And ultimately yourselves. Your property values are going to plummet if this school system fails. Your taxes have not increased in 13 years. Step up and have some compassion for your neighbors.
Why is it with you that no one is allowed to have a different opinion? Why do you have to try to label people voting no? No one has to justify their reasons for voting to you. Last time I checked, this was a democracy! Well, except for Perkins schools where officials do what they want in spite of voting results.
I like how you ignored everything else I said. The part about having compassion for your neighbor. The neighbor who is not going to be able to afford to pay for their son to pay to play. So that boy is not going to be seen by scouts and that boy was counting on earning a scholarship because it was his only way to college. That to me is heartbreaking. Everyone seems so blinded with hate for Gunner. We need to be looking at how this is affecting the juniors and seniors. These decisions will have a huge impact on their lives. Have you thought about that at all? Do you care about the juniors and seniors at all? They are the immediate future of our community.
If the kid wants to play so bad, get a summer job to pay the fee. The summer job should help with college tuition, too. Now all those "scouts" can pack Yellow Pages Stadium and your heart can be whole.
Do you care at all about the future of our Juniors and Seniors?
The Juniors and Seniors will be just fine without the levy passing. The school will be open for learning in late-August even if the levy fails. Why don't you care about those who can't afford another tax increase? The elderly? The low-income families struggling to make end's meet? Why do you want to saddle them with this burden of a new tax?
We are not saying that we don't care for others. Why don't people care for our students? It is important to make sure they have a high quality and well rounded education. We have not passed a levy for new money in 18 years and it is time to take care of our children. Also, it is all about priorities. We are more than willing to give up movie night once a month. That is at least $35, if not more. Our community, house values, and children are more important and that is why we are voting YES in August.
Wald I do care about those who cannot afford a tax increase. I am one of those people. I am a low income family struggling to make ends meet. And I do care abou t the elderly. In my neighborhood we help each other out. We sholve our elderly neighbors walks. We mow others yards without being asked when we know they are putting in a 65 hour work week. We take care of each other. That is what community is. You presume to know me you do not. Make whatever rude degrading comments you want this is me: I am a Christian, I am a wife, I am a mother to two children, i am a full time employee, i am a conservative republican, I am a sinner, i make mistakes, i am a member of the Perkins community. We need to take care of each other. We are each others neighbors even if we live 5 miles apart. The classes of 2014 and 2015 are also our neighbors and they need our help. The 18 teachers that stand to loose their jobs are also our neighbors and need our help.
Nobody is saying you can't have a different opinion, or having to justify your reasons for voting no. Your comments are not being blocked. Those supporting the levy are simply stating ours as well, and while many of the no voters are thoughtful and simply differing in opinion, many others are not (VOTE NO, for instance.)
Let them plummet. My house has been paid off for 10 years. I'm not going anywhere. I hope. Not to soon. I have Perkins Pride. But Gunner has to go. He's causing my neighbors to vote NO. Period. Holding a grudge or not. Doesnt matter. We want a levy to pass. Only one way to get it to pass.
Have you ever talked to him personally or gone to a board meeting? Do not judge if you have not made your OWN assumptions. Dr. Gunner has made choices that will benefit our children and I appreciate him sticking up for what is right.
But what about when your home does need to be sold, however far into the future that is?
Agree, Ohioredbabe!
How about passing the levy in August so our children can have a great educational experience with multiple opportunities and so our property values do not decrease. Vote Yes and help our students and our community.
And I believe that if Dr. Gunner resigned to secure more Yes votes, it would be a HUGE mistake, and set a dangerous precedent.
How many jobs would've been eliminated,how many program cuts,and how much would it cost for extracurricular activities had operating funds been left alone and not moved to a permanant improvements? Yes,I know,that there would still be a need for additional funds to properly operate the schools,had the monies not been moved. It just seems to me that Dr. Gunner and the board were willing to use the students,staff,and faculty as pawns to get their new facilities built. It doesn't seem to be the wisest course of action.
"Stanfield will be "co-principal" to current Perkins High School principal Mark Dahlmann, who will advise and train him to possibly take on the principal position full-time someday"
The district is transferring a principal into an assistant principal position. They are calling his new position co-principal, rather than a demotion. It could be to give Mr. Stanfield some additional training.
Moving to another school is not a demotion. It is still a principal's job. The assistant principal tends to deal with more of the discipline so the other principal can focus on other situations. This is no where close to a demotion. Vote yes and support the students!
Vote no for the kids.
Please explain why I should vote no for the kids.
You require a lot of explaining. Explain why we should explain why to you?
Because an explanation would make for a more civil discourse, something lacking in some these blogs.
You stated vote no for the kids. Convince me why I should vote no for the kids. How does a no vote benefit the kids? As Wald has said twice I believe we are in a democracy. Educated discussion and debate is a part of living in a democracy.
I love how you pick and choose when democratic principals are important to you. Doesn't it bother you at all that the taxpayers of Perkins exercised their democratic rights by voting no, yet Gunner and the BOE ignored this and did what they wanted anyway? They spit in the faces of all who fought and died to protect our democratic rights, which I find heartbreaking. How can you condone dictatorship by voting yes?
I truly hope that you are also directing your frustration toward the officials in Columbus because their failure to properly address school funding issues (and by shifting more public tax dollars away from public schools to fund privately run schools) is what causes virtually every district in Ohio to come back to local voters every 3 years on average. The current governor's funding formula considers Perkins a property wealthy district, and as such, more of the burden is being placed on us to fund the schools. Reduced state funds and business inventory taxes previously paid are not being replaced by the state. The primary source of district funding issues rests in Columbus.
So make phone calls; write emails and letters to those folks to let them know how tired we are of what their lack of action does to local school districts and communities.
Where does the state get their money? Taxes from you and I. So with your proposition you would encourage the state government to increase taxes to support the schools in the manner you feel acceptable? Arn't you just paying taxes for school out of a different pocket ? I would much rather keep those decisions local.
Of course I understand where the state gets its money. The Ohio Constitution states: "The General Assembly shall make such provisions, by taxation, or otherwise, as, with the income arising from the school trust fund, will secure a thorough and efficient system of common schools throughout the state . . ." Four times the state funding system has been ruled unconstitutional, and then the court removed itself from any further action on school funding 10-12 years ago which has allowed our legislators to fumble about and change direction every time a new governor is elected. About the current funding formula: "The state's formula really penalizes districts unfairly if they're deemed to be a wealthy district [e.g. Perkins]". So, I will stand by my statement that the folks in Columbus still have some work to do. If they would work a bit harder at this problem (i.e. addressing HB 920) perhaps school districts wouldn't have to have levy requests so often. And it is a statewide problem which means it is systemic and should be addressed.
The decisions concerning our district operations and facilities have been made locally. The locally elected board members are making decisions that they believe are in the best interest of the school district and community. It is all residents' right to agree or not agree with those decisions, but the board members are operating legally and within their elected authority. If we don't agree, we have the right to vote in different board members.
The state is taking away money from certain public schools across the state. Some schools are not affected as much, if not at all. School finance is not fair and we need the state officials to step up and fix the problems. They are trying to solve the school's financial problems on the backs of the local taxpayers. The state needs to come up with a better plan and solution so we are not having these issues as a community. But, we need to support our students and make sure they have a great education.
Because if you don't vote "no" until the millage is moved back than you have taken away those children's rights to vote on building issues in the future.
Look at a bigger picture. Don't take away their right to vote.
If the Perkins levy passes, the super should be required to donate the value of a $200 K home during the tenure of his employment. Further, it should be required he has until the school year begins to move into the district. Thus, his $300/month 'travel expense' will be eliminated as well.
Three separate committees should be formed by the BOE to represent the community. Nine different people, three sac on:
1. Buildings Group
2. Financial Advisor/Auditor Group
3. Personnel Board advising on new hires, supplementals, oversee the BOE, and have the Super report directly to them in addition to BOE.
The community had lost trust. The BOE no longer represents the majority of the community serving as the elected "representatives of the community". Gunner works for the BOE whom is elected to represent the taxpayer. Seems as though he is no longer the tail, he is the whole darn dog! This is not the way it is supposed to be. These committees could see to it that Gunner remains accountable. Purchase/propose district-wide NEEDS, not personal WANTS through this professional committee. The Perkins system, unfortunately, needs one extra level of checks and balances...including the financial hierarchy.
These are great ideas AllTheAnswers. If I remember correctly, your opinion of the district and Gunner has changed considerably. To what do you attribute your changes?
Dr. Gunner still pays taxes even if he does not live in our community. I believe he is paying higher taxes where he lives now. So many people commute to work each day. I think it is just an excuse for people to be against him. It should not matter if he lives in our district. The board members are the ultimate decision makers. Gunner can give his recommendations but the board makes the final decision. If you do not like what our board has done than do not vote for them in November. Don't take it out on the students in August. Support our Students! Vote yes!
So you are for giving up those kids rights in the future to make decisions on school buildings? Let's sacrifice the future to get what we want now? Haven't we done enough of that at the federal level of government?
Sorry, I have kids and grandkids in the community and will not sacrifice their rights and responsibilities in the future to solve a problem today.
What rights am I sacrificing? How is my post related to buildings?
Our the students have the right to a quality education that we have not supported financially for 18 years (new money). It is embarrassing to know that some people in this community will not support their future contributing community members...the students. When I moved my family here I was so excited because I have always heard awesome things about Perkins and the schools. Now we are learning that there are some irresponsible people living among us that hold grudges, can't think long term, and put their needs before their/our children. I am voting yes and supporting the students!
I'm irresponsible because I suggest a different direction to a new building? I'm think way more long term than you.
You are looking at now. I'm looking at my kids and grandkids generations.
Why are you so willing to give up the voting rights of the taxpayers ?
Additionally, this community has to be prepared that its population will in all likelihood continue to decrease. Large school buildings that are state of the art, but not occupied will be a big problem for our children and grandchildren.
I feel that everyone should exercise their right to vote. There are a lot of people who do not vote informed and have a hard time putting others before themselves. People do not do their own research and believe some of the rumors and misinformation on these blogs. I am willing to sacrifice movie and pizza night if that ensures the children in my community will receive a well rounded education . They will be the ones running this community in the future. Support the students and take your frustration out in November.
DSG: We've been around this block several times. The decision on facilities rests within the scope of the elected board members. So, we all have the right, now and in the future, to encourage candidates to run who share our views. Then we work to get them elected. It's somewhat ironic to me that the inside millage (also known as "unvoted" millage is at the center of the disagreement). It is part of the 10 mills set by law that local gov't entities split. Local gov't bodies are permitted to use this millage as they see fit.
Just because bond levies have been traditional, doesn't mean that is the only way to address facilities. Going the traditional bond levy route will at this point, and going forward, will result in a higher cost to taxpayers (operational + bond levies).
Yes, there are other means to fund this facility issue. The method decided on by the school board removes the public's right to vote and have a check and balance on their decisions in regards to buildings. As an American I don't believe our country was built on removal of the public's vote. I thought it was the opposite. Did the history books change?
History books haven't changed. Infrastructure projects and how to fund them are decided on by elected officials (roads, bridges, zoning changes, tax abatements/incentives, etc.) at the local, state, and federal level; it is a part of the job responsibilities. This board decided that to address the facility issue at the lowest cost to taxpayers (including themselves) in the short and long term was to proceed a different way other than bond levies. They did the research, they considered the options and the impact on residents, and chose what they believe is the least costly and will address both facilities and operations.
Also DSG-regarding our children and grandchildren: Why would we allow a problem that we face today fester until it becomes the responsibility of our kids and grandkids? Shouldn't we solve the problem now? This issue will only grow in complexity and cost the longer we put it off.
As you said we have discussed this issue previously. I'm not against improvement in buildings when needed. I'm against the process chosen to reach that point. I have given you and Mr. Gunner another option than the current funding method. This option does not fit into Mr. Gunner's dream plan so it was not evaluated. You can't mess with the masters dream plan.
My plan offers replacement of the high school with public vote. That's the difference.
It's the taxpaying public's vote. It's the taxpaying public's decision. It's not the ivory tower decision that brought us the "folly with the fountain."
Vote yes to give the teachers a raise and for a new building.
Incorrect VOTENO - teachers have agreed to a pay freeze, among other concessions, and the any facility/building decisions will not be made now until after the November election when two BOE members are up for re-election.
Please stop spreading incorrect information. It is quite a shame that the Sandusky Register provides a forum for those who wish to spread incorrect information anonymously
The teachers are in negotiations for a new contract. Are you telling me that they have agreed to a freeze.
I will seek clarity on that to be sure. I know they have been under a freeze, not 100% sure if that is carried thru to new negotiations or not.
I did post back a few pages on the blog about meeting with you, I just saw your offer earlier today. Tuesday around 8 AM, or 11:15AM or after works, or anytime Wednesday AM. If you have a regular spot, that's fine, I suggested Jolly Donut on 250 across from Pat Cataan's/Little Ceaser's.
What teacher is getting a pay raise for this levy...NONE! Do not spread rumors and start something else. The teachers have taken a pay freeze for the past two years to try and help the district financially. Also, they have given more towards their insurance.
I've read through most of the comments and will not get on my band wagon about what I think and why about the levy. I just want to remind the voters that the State is raising the sales tax by .25% and Erie County is also getting ready to raise the sales tax by another .5%. So, take a look at your income, expenses, wants vs. needs, and determine what is going to be right for you in the long run. I have kids in Perkins Township, but I am taking a long, hard look at our finances before August 6th gets here. As for Mr. Stanfield, I have had limited conversations with him, but he has been understanding, kind, and fair. I wish him all the best at the high school and look forward to meeting the new principal at Meadowlawn later this year.
Could you please give me additional information on a faculty pay "freeze." What does this actually mean and when was this in effect?
I ask because I have searched a number of Perkins faculty through the State of Ohio Treasurer's Transparency website, and all faculty had increases in their salary between the 2010, 2011 and 2012 school years.
I am hoping you can provide me with further clarification on this so called "freeze." We don't want false information floating around. According to Josh Mandel, the State of Ohio Treasurer, faculty at Perkins have been receiving healthy raises over the past several years.
Don't be bullied into passing this levy. Vote "NO".
Could a tax increase supporter please explain how Gunner calculated the $730 per sport fee?
On the Q&A page on the Perkins Schools website, he provided a chart that shows $454,043 in athletic department costs. This is divided by the 622 student participants for a rate of $730 per student.
However, Gunner did not take into account the revenues that are generated by the athletic department. According to Mike Strohl's (Athletic Director) response on the Q&A forum, athletics generates revenue of $142,194. Plus $5,000 per season from the PABC.
This puts Perkins Athletics at a $296,849 annual operating loss (454,043-142,194-5,000-5,000-5,000). The $296k loss divided by the 622 participants shows a $477 fee per participant would cover the operating loss of the athletic department and also pay for the AD and assistant's salary.
Why then did Gunner and board choose to use the $730. Could it be that the $730 fee would likely have a much larger negative impact and cause more parents to vote yes to avoid the fee than a $477 fee? Nah, Gunner and Board don't use scare tactics like that!
Exactly. Gunner said the police got their levy passed by threatening to dismantle the department. Now he is doing the same thing.
Why do we need all these assistants? If the department head can't do the job on their own without an assistant, fire them and hire someone else who can.
I am seeking clarification on your question. I know that the ticket sale revenue pays for the list of things noted below, and I want to verify that what is listed as "athletic department costs" in the chart you refer to doesn't pay for the same things as ticket revenue.
Our ticket revenue almost always annually matches our Athletic Department budget. We would spend more than we bring in annually if it were not for the $5,000 seasonal supplemental payment from the PABC, equipment purchases from the PABC, and coaches purchases from their fundraiser accounts. Our coaches do a great job of fundraising to take some of the burden off the athletic department in regard to purchases for the program.
List of items purchases from the Athletic Department Budget: The annual revenue is usually very close to department expenses each school year.
Officials Equipment
Game Workers and Staff Awards and Trophies
Police Security Technology & Software
SBC League Dues Golf Course Fees
Tournament Entry Fees Hotels (state and clinics)
Uniforms Post Season Banquets
Medical Supplies Athletic Department Office Supplies
Printing Costs
Sports that have ticket revenue: Football, Volleyball, Soccer, Swimming, Basketball, Wrestling, Track & Field. These 7 sports produce the revenue to operate all the other programs in the Athletic Department.
Don't be bullied into passing this levy. Vote "NO".
We don't need brand new buildings...That's what this is all about. My house is older than those buildings! Vote NO.
44870 South,
Comparing one's home to a large public building(s) housing hundreds of students, teachers, staff, etc, is just not an apples to apples comparison. My home was built in 1959, I support the levy, I will be Voting YES.
My home does not have decaying exterior walls, sewage leaks under the building, asbestos insulation around plumbing, asbestos tile, nor asbestos containing ceilings that can easily be caused to leak fibers into the air. 3 study's (2 independent) have recommended building new, that the cost to renovate is not feasible. Those study's are available to the public, in fact at least one of them is available on the districts website @ http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us.
The age of a house has nothing to do with a public use facility. A public use facility like the high school has been exposed to the wear and tear of tens of thousands of individuals over the years. Also, there are concerns about construction materials used in the school buildings, safety and security concerns, deteriorating iron pipes, unusable restrooms, accessibility issues, exit issues, and so on. The decision to renovate or build new must be arrived at by looking at costs of both and long term demographic trends and what that means for facility use. A decision to do nothing will result in higher costs in the future.
This post is very interesting.............any comment?
Mon, 07/15/2013 - 6:28pm
Could a tax increase supporter please explain how Gunner calculated the $730 per sport fee?
On the Q&A page on the Perkins Schools website, he provided a chart that shows $454,043 in athletic department costs. This is divided by the 622 student participants for a rate of $730 per student.
However, Gunner did not take into account the revenues that are generated by the athletic department. According to Mike Strohl's (Athletic Director) response on the Q&A forum, athletics generates revenue of $142,194. Plus $5,000 per season from the PABC.
This puts Perkins Athletics at a $296,849 annual operating loss (454,043-142,194-5,000-5,000-5,000). The $296k loss divided by the 622 participants shows a $477 fee per participant would cover the operating loss of the athletic department and also pay for the AD and assistant's salary.
Why then did Gunner and board choose to use the $730. Could it be that the $730 fee would likely have a much larger negative impact and cause more parents to vote yes to avoid the fee than a $477 fee? Nah, Gunner and Board don't use scare tactics like that!
In that same explanation from Strohl he states that the $142K- the revenue from football and basketball- pay for the officials and staff to run all the games for all the sports- freshmen, JV, varsity.
"While the district budget pays for coaches salaries and transportation costs, the athletic budget pays for most of the day-to-day expenses of running the athletic program. The figures used by Mr. Gunner and the Board reflect salaries, benefits, and transportation costs only. It is assumed that the revenue from ticket sales and donations from the PABC are needed to continue to cover the day-to-day costs of the athletic department. Listed below are all of the items that the athletic department pays for from the ticket revenue and PABC donations. None of these costs were figured in the Board expenses.
List of items purchases from the Athletic Department Budget: The annual revenue is usually very close to department expenses each school year."
Officials Equipment
Game Workers and Staff Awards and Trophies
Police Security Technology & Software
SBC League Dues Golf Course Fees
Tournament Entry Fees Hotels (state and clinics)
Uniforms Post Season Banquets
Medical Supplies Athletic Department Office Supplies
Printing Costs
The way I understand it is that the ticket revenues cover the above items. The Athletic Dept. cost on the chart you referenced is for salaries/benefits/costs in the athletic dept. that the ticket revenues do not cover. So, the $730 calculation appears to be correct.
For those who have questioned the technology, STEM, and other educational/facility initiatives undertaken by Perkins, there is an interesting quote from Sen. Gardner in the Sandusky School article today: "Public education has more competition than it did 20 or 30 years ago and if you sit back and don't engage, you're bound to lose students. . ." I would also argue that a district runs the risk of not attracting additional families looking to locate to the area if the school environment is deemed inadequate. Most realtors I have spoken to indicate that one of the top questions about an area is the school system as folks gather information to make a decision about where to build or buy.
Why is it that Huron, Margaretta, Edison, Clyde, etc., who have school buildings that are older/equal/worse condition aren't in an uproar to build a new complex? Could it be that they realize the current economic conditions are too bad to even consider building a new school? Very strong rumors that KBI, or whatever they're caling it now, is closing soon. Today's front page of the paper has a story about Erie Co. Board of DD shutting down the transportation department. I know several people there who will be losing their jobs when that happens. People just do not have the money right now!
Vote NO to save your houses!
I believe Clyde-Green Springs added some new or renovated facilities within the past five years as have Bellevue and Port Clinton. Can't answer for Huron, Sandusky, Margaretta, Edison; have those districts had facility reviews?
Clyde added facilities and now can't pass an operating levy. Nice building, less teachers.
How is that advantageous?
Is the new building being used? Clyde, like so many other districts, was having trouble passing operating levies before the facility upgrade. If the old building was still in use, there would still be fewer teachers employed. I don't see the connection being made. Should facility issues be ignored and passed forward indefinitely? Should facility issues only be addressed at a point when the structure is collapsing or some other event triggers the need? Should we wait until the elected folks in Columbus have totally gutted the public school system in Ohio by continuing to make it more difficult for districts to operate? No matter what is proposed for facilities, there will be people who are adamantly opposed. So, what does one do if one is a school board member tasked with providing for facility needs and educational needs?
Based on conversations with my customer and suppliers in Clyde, I do believe the problem escalated after the new school was built. People were and are still just tapped out by rising costs to fund all the needs of public entitlement. They are paying for the new building and can't afford any more additional taxes. I see the connection. Sorry you don't.
Thanks for your response on the athletics.
Any response with the faculty pay "freezes?"
Again, the idea that Perkins faculty has taken pay freezes run directly contrary to Josh Mandel, the State of Ohio Treasurer's transparency site.
Follow up on the athletics question. The $136,524.01 listed under "Athletic Dept" in the chart showing how the $730 per sport fee was computed captures only the salaries and benefits of the Athletic Director and Athletic Dept. Secretary. These expenses are not covered by the ticket sales revenue. The expenses covered by ticket revenue (listed above and in Mr. Strohl's explaination on the levy question website) were not included in the chart, therefore, the revenue covering those expenses should not be included either. $730 per sport is the correct computation.
With regard to faculty salary freezes, I am still seeking full clarity to be certain. There is already an answer on the levy question site (http://www.perkins.k12.oh.us/Lev...) that states that Perkins teachers have been under a pay freeze the past three years. There is also a chart showing that new teachers salaries have remained the same during the past three years.
As far as the new negotiations, I don't believe much detail is available on that at this point, but I believe that the teachers are being asked to make further concessions.
The full answer to the salary freeze question is that the salary schedule was frozen, no increases in the salary schedule for the past 2 years.
However, that does not prevent a teacher moving up on the salary schedule based on years of service, or as they continue their education. Example - a teacher with 5 years of service would be paid more than a 1 year teacher. A Master's Degree educated teacher would be paid more than one with only a Bachelor's. Etc.
So, based on the salary schedule (which is a part of the contract between the district and the teachers union), there have been teacher's who have received raises due to either years of service or their own educational achievements.
Just because the school board deems it a need doesn't always equate to an agreement by the general public, as in this case.
The general public has different thoughts and ideas of where they want their money spent. If this levy is approved the general public will lose their input on building projects within the district and will lose that power to make decisions in their best interest.
I don't think the general public is willing to give that power up to five people.
It was good to meet you in person today, and good to have some civil dialogue despite our areas of disagreement. I think this is our main area of disagreement, and it at least partly stems from how things work where I grew up (Pennsylvania) vs. how things have always been in Ohio.
I understand the reasons you feel the public would be, but I don't see the public giving up any rights by passing this levy. Funding for renovation or new buildings is needed, regardless of the which path is chosen. The BOE choose to move inside millage to ensure at least some level of funding for one or the other. We didn't get to get into the specifics of that move, but long term, I see it to be the best financial decision for the taxpayers. The board see's it that way too. Unfortunately, this has become publicly divisive item, but the board had to do something to ensure PI funds after the failure of the November 2010 Levy.
From a voting rights perspective, as a voter, I don't want the exact design/makeup of the building to be up to 9,500-10,000 voters. I feel this is why we elect a board, and why the board hires a superintendent, and why they seek expert guidance when needed. The public can still have input via public comment, board meetings, board member elections, etc. Yes, at the end of the day, the board can still choose to go against the public majority if it feels that strongly that it is the right thing to do. If if the public dislikes that enough, board members will probably start being replaced at the next election.
Also, just as a reminder to all, the board will not make any decision regarding new buildings until after the November Board member election.
The general idea of how our tax dollars should be spent has been going on since the advent of taxes. If you asked ten people to come up with a budget, you would probably get ten different responses. Everyone who pays taxes (and many who don't) get frustrated about where "their" tax dollars are going. Unfortunately in this day and age, when taxes are able to voted upon, they often are voted down. You are correct that new facilities have been voted down, but it is wrong to assume that this is the vast majority of residents voicing their opinions. No voters will quite likely still be no voters, but the goal of the pro-levy group is try to get better representation of the electorate. This is a difficult, and not necessarily a successful task, but it is the only choice available. Regardless of anyone's opinion of Gunner, new facilities, the student's needs, or taxes in general, no new monies have been raised in 13 years (the only district in the area with such a record) and financially Perkins Schools is hurting. That need is not going to magically disappear (especially with our current state funding) and is only going to get more expensive, no matter who is running the show.
I think it is funny the word "power" is being used. I feel people on this blog abuse their "power". We can't control the spending by the politicians at the state level so people use local voting opportunities to be "powerful". Well, your "power" is being irresponsible and could lower the values of our homes and community. Step up and support our students! It is in the best interest of our children!
Bherrle- If the Gunner and Board will not make any decisions until after the November election, why did they take out a $3,000,000 loan from Citizens Bank to design and plan for the new buildings?
They've already made the $3 million dollar decision to start designing and planning them. Whatever "decision" they put off is mere formality.... or they wasted another $3 million of yours and my money.
The Board took a loan to pay for the architectural fees associated with the design of the new stadium, to assess renovation costs of the high school, and a potential/preliminary design for a new 7-12 school facility. Three facility issues are in the loan amount.
After the Nov. 2010 vote (on 4.98 mills), the district asked for more input from residents in the form of a survey. At the time, the responses indicated that the district should focus on PHS. There were even comments on the Register site that if the board scaled back and focused on just the high school, it might be surprised at the support. There were additional meetings and opportunities for resident input. In order to have a plan, a plan is needed, therefore architects get involved, and architects don't work for free. Design options are also necessary to ball park costs for renovation or replacement. Can't set a number if there isn't a plan in place to arrive at an estimate.
A $3,000,000 dollar plan? Called writing a check that you cannot cash....or taking out a loan that you can't repay.
citizen: Your plan is . . .
Not doing anything right now is a lot better than doing something really stupid! i.e.; taking out a $3,000,000 loan at the same you're laying off teachers! Gunner and the BOE...Ineptness at it's finest!
If you're not happy with the BOE, two members are up for re-election in November.
In any moment of decision, the right decision is the best decision, the wrong decision is second best, and no decision at all is the worst.
Doing nothing is just not an option. That only leaves a bigger problem for future BOE's & Super's. I'm sorry you feel they are inept. I and many others disagree.
At least our board and Dr. Gunner are trying to fix the problems facing our schools. The facility issues have been swept under the rug for many years and it is about time someone notices the problems. We would never let our homes fall apart...why are we so willing to let our schools?
The letter to the editor stated that the new schools are on hold. Has the safety of the children been put on hold, as well? What is being done to eliminate the emergency health issues that originally required a $3,000,000 design plan? Why are these children still exposed to raw sewage, potential asbestos, etc.? Or is it ok until after the November election? Which is it?
FG-A board member has the difficult job of trying to balance decisions that are best for students, community and staff. You would find, assuming you ran and were elected, that some will criticize you for an action (e.g. moving forward with building issues), then turn around and question the decision to wait to move forward (e.g. wait until the next election). Some will never support any decision you make due to financial or personal issues; some will never support you due to having had an experience with an administrator or teacher or coach that was not positive for some reason; some who don't live in the district will oppose you-I'm not sure why (past issues?); some will oppose you due to tax issues involved (some people are opposed to any tax regardless of the reason for the tax); some will oppose you because their school system is impacted by decisions made by our school system (thank the legislature and gov. for creating that situation-don't blame the school board); some will oppose actions because they don't have any family in the school system, and then the supporters will be pushing you to continue on a path they prefer. Every major decision will be greeted this way. Some will not attend meetings, and some will not bother to review the evidence/facts (or ignore same) but will have strong opinions that will be posted anonymously and contain statements that would probably not be made in a public forum. Some of these anonymous posters will question your integrity and character.
I don't envy the position board members are in and give credit to those who decide to serve our community for the right reasons (i.e. no narrow agenda to push, no grudge) and to put themselves in such a public position that requires difficult decisions be made.
Re: fifteenth green
"The board has agreed to HOLD OFF on any movement or decision until after the November election of board members." That means that the matter will move in some direction after the election. If you don't agree with the current movement, please go ahead and vote for those who share your vision,
The children will continue to have raw sewage removed by the janitors and the ceiling will be sealed as students (our children) continue to break through the asbestos showing us just how high they can jump (or destroy property).
It is not "ok" to have these health issues facing our students. However, as long as we can afford to give them cars, cell phones, video games, vacations beyond the borders, etc., you and the voters that seem to agree with you will have let others know how your priorities are rated.
This makes me sad. I thought we were getting a new school. I loved the design plans mounted on the fence at the new stadium entrance and really thought the district had my child's safety in their best interest. Especially since they seemed so passionate about the need for a new school due to the concerns raised. Now we are relying on a November election of two board members and in the meantime, the janitors will still have to shovel raw sewage on the floor and only minimal exposure to asbestos is ok. What a waste of $3,000,000 if we're not going forward.
The district has the safety of the children in mind all of the time. That is why they fix the problems as soon as possible and why they are making the public aware of the building issues. The board is waiting until November to hear the new board members. All of the board members represent the community and the new board members might have a different vision.
Leadership versus Cost Savings
If one were to look at five of the top level administrators at Perkins (HS principal, asst principal, MS principal, asst principal, Athletic Dept), Gunner has 3 interims, the next HS principal-in-training (Mr. Neiderhouse) has resigned and the Athletic Depart leader was placed on the RIF list. Look at the administration employment record at Bryan. Seems as though there may be a leadership question here. Once you learn too much, you're no longer an asset to the Gunner administration. Kind of how the community feels (taxpayers whom are owners of the school district). Our input is disregarded because "they" know better than the community. Leads to lack of trust. Which leads to question about leadership. Which leads to a personal questioning if this Super is the right leader. New school(s) needed? Probably yes. Is this the team to lead us to the right decision. Not sure about that. WANTS versus NEEDS. After 6 decades of voting yes, this remains a tough decision. Sure wish the BOE would form a committee of former Perkins top-level folks to guide us. Many of those people are still around the community. A quick study of Bryan HS can make one nervous of Perkins future under this leadership. Wish former insiders could break down what is going on as they have school administrative understanding much better than the general public.
I disagree strongly with your post.:
Leadership team has been with Perkins for years- multiple years! There are no interims. Like it or not, retire/rehire is a cost savings to the district. All prudent business moves.
Neiderhouse left for a better opportunity. He aspires to be a super and needs leadership at the elementary level. Not uncommon in education.
AD on RIF list because if the levy does not pass his wage will be paid by pay to play fee.
What taxpayer input has been disregarded by Gunner? Just because you disagree doesn't mean he has not listened. Ultimately your problem is with the board. You don't like the direction, vote for someone else in November.
Regarding Bryan, be specific. What are you alleging?
Six decades of voting yes? I assume this is you personally because over the last 30 years Perkins voters have only passed ONE operating levy the first time on the ballot. Perkins voters do not blindly support anything if that is what you are implying.
If you refer back to my earlier post this board HAS reached out and is following the input received. I get that you disagree but recognize that due diligence has been done.
Wed, 07/17/2013 - 9:51pm
"....... the wrong decision is second best, and no decision at all is the worst."
^^^ That is the craziest statement I've ever heard! "The WRONG DECISION" is BETTER than no decision!!??
OK, let's see. I REALLY need a new car..............I cannot afford a new car right now...........rumor has it, I'm going to be losing my job in 2 months...............what to do, what to do?..............I know!......... I'll go take out a loan for say, $3 million dollars for a new school plan, oops, I mean $30,000 for a new car!!!.......uh-oh,.......... wrong decision,.......... but, according to Bherrle, it's better than just not making any decision at all,.......... better than WAITING to see what happens with the levy, oops, I mean my job.
Utter stupidity!
It's general statement, and your twisting it's meaning. Waiting is a decision. I was referring to doing nothing about the current facilities issues. Doing nothing is not an option.
It seems that no matter what the BOE does, they will be criticized. Their supporters will be criticized. Called stupid, such as you have just done.
So - what is your specific plan to address the issues? If you disagree with the BOE, what alternatives do you suggest? It is easy to criticize, anyone can do it. Offer us some solutions that maintain the current academic & athletics programs, keep the district financially solvent, and that properly address the facilities issues.


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Day 6-7 Sihanoukville (1B)
We travel by public bus to Cambodia's southern coast and the beaches of Sihanoukville. Time to relax on the white sand while perhaps enjoying a massage and eating fresh seafood, or why not join a boat trip for a day of snorkelling and lunch on an uninhabited island. In the evening, enjoy a barbeque on the beach before hitting one of the many fun bars to dance the night away. We spend two nights in Sihanoukville. The hotel has free-Wifi available. Bar and pool table are also available. All rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathroom. Tuktuks (local motorised transport) usually costs 2-3 USD in and around town. Approx travel time: Public bus from Phnom Penh to Sihanoukville: 4-5 hours The bus will stop for a break after approximately 2.5 hours of travel. The bus has air-conditioning and public Karaoke. Best to bring out those earplugs again if you like to relax on your bus journeys!
Day 8 Mekong Delta (1D)
This morning we make our way to the Cambodia/Vietnam border. After driving for approximately 2 hours, we'll stop for a break in Kampot, an attractive riverside Cambodian town, well-known for the quality of its local pepper. It is approximately another 2 hours to reach the Vietnamese the border. The border crossing requires you to walk approx 150 meters on a flat road with your bags into Vietnam where our private bus will be waiting for us. After completing the necessary formalities, we will continue on to Can Tho (Vietnam), a 4-5 hour drive. Tonight we will stay in a basic village homestay that includes dinner. Approx travel time: Private bus from Sihanoukville to Can Tho: 9 hours (not including border formalities)
Day 9-10 Ho Chi Minh City (2B)
After breakfast, there is an option to visit one of the color-ful floating market, and watch the life of people living in the delta region. We continue our drive to Ho Chi Minh City and arrive in the afternoon. Approx- 2.5hours drive from Can Tho- Ho Chi Minh City. In the afternoon, you can explore the vibrant city and visit the ben Than market. You can also further venture out to the color-ful China town and pay a visit to the old pagoda. This evening, why not head to one of the rooftop bars such as the Rex Hotel, one of the classic colonial Saigon institutions, where there is often live music. Enjoy one of many street food crawls with the group and CEO while in Ho Chi Minh City. Bring your appetites and your wallets, and the CEO will bring you to the best spots and teach you a bit about the local street food. Day 10 is free for you to explore. You may choose to visit the Cu Chi Tunnels, a complex network of tunnels 90 minutes from the city where the locals lived during the American War to keep safe. Perhaps visit the the immense Ben Thanh Market and grab a snack at one of its many food stands. Those with an interest in Vietnam's recent war history may like to visit the Reunification Palace, the residence of the presidents of South Vietnam before 1974, and the fascinating nearby War Remnants Museum. Also very interesting is Cholon, Saigon's Chinese quarter. A cyclo can take you to any of these places for a very reasonable price and is a fun way to travel around Ho Chi Minh City. On the evening of day 10, we take an overnight train to Nha Trang, the first of 3 sleeper trains you will take in Vietnam. The sleeper trains throughout Vietnam are quite comfortable. Each cabin sleeps 4 people in 2 bunk beds. You will be able to lock the door from the inside. All bedding is provided. The train is air conditioned and has squat and Western style toilets with a wash basin at the end of each compartment. Bags can be stored in your cabin and accessed at anytime. Food and drinks are available for purchase on board. This is not to everyone's taste so we recommend you bring your own. Our Saigon hotel is located in front of the city's main market, Ben Than Market, and very close to Saigon's backpackers street. All rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathroom. Wifi is available. A small swimming pool is also available on the second floor. Approx Travel Time: Private bus from Chau Doc to Ho Chi Minh City: 7-8 hrs Please note: As this is a combination trip, some of your tour members may depart in Ho Chi Minh City and you may be joined by some new travelling companions on Day 10.
Day 11-12 Nha Trang (1B)
We arrive in Nha Trang in the morning with plenty of time for you to explore the local shops and markets, relax on the beach soaking up the sun or visit nearby historical sites. Optional activities in Nha Trang include a boat trip to nearby islands for snorkeling, or perhaps a fun filled all day beach party. On the evening of day 12 we take the second of our overnight trains in Vietnam to Danang, where we will transfer to our final destination, Hoi An. The train is air conditioned and has squat and Western style toilets and wash basins at the end of each compartment. Your bags are located in your cabin and can be accessed at anytime. Our hotel in Nha Trang is centrally located in town and everything is within walking distance. All rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathroom. Wifi is available. Approx travel time: Transfer train station to hotel: 10 min each way Overnight sleeper train Nha Trang to Danang: 9-10 hrs.
Day 13-14 Hoi An (1B)
From Danang, it is only a short drive to the picturesque port town of Hoi An. Once known as Faifo, it was an important trading town with strong south Chinese influence and connections. Enjoy a tasty cooking class with oodles of noodles (more than 26 types!). Run by Planeterra Foundation partners STREETS International, the class was developed exclusively for G Adventures. Former street youths that are part of this hospitality training program will help you prepare and cook a number of different types of noodles. This program helps these youths practice their English, increasing their skill-set and the amount of opportunities available to them in the tourism industry. Enjoy tasting these yummy creations while learning more about the local cuisine and this initiative which empowers street youths through skills and employment training. Take a self guided walking tour of this living museum whose main sights includes the Museum of History and Culture, the Tan Ky house, the Japanese bridge, the Fujian Assembly Hall and lunch at a riverside restaurant to sample some of the delicious local delicacies and fusion food at the restaurants for which Hoi An is becoming famous. Opt to support a Planeterra project and spend an hour learning how to make your own traditional lantern and support local Vietnamese with chronic disabilities. Or you might consider heading off on an optional motorbike or bicycle tour to visit the beautiful countryside surrounding Hoi An. Hoi An is a shopping mecca. Tailors can produce virtually any item of clothing you may wish for overnight at extremely reasonable prices, and silk lanterns, lacquer ware and many other crafts abound. It is also the centre of modern art in Vietnam. For sun worshipers, Cua Dai Beach is 4kms from town- a great flat bike ride away. Add in lots of fun bars into the mix and this really is a town that has it all and trust us, you'll have trouble tearing yourself away! Our hotel is located approximately ten minutes walk from Hoi An downtown. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathroom. The hotel also has swimming pool. Approx travel time: Transfer from train station in Danang to Hoi An: 45 min
Day 15-16 Hue (2B)
We continue our journey north to the city of Hue. We will make a stop about half way into our ride at the Hai Van Pass where you can enjoy spectacular views of the surrounding countryside. When in Hue, options to explore include a visit to the former Royal Citadel which was modeled on the Forbidden City in Beijing or traveling by boat along the Perfume River. Don't miss a visit to the seven tiered Tien Mu Pagoda and try to fit in a visit to at least one of the tombs of the former rulers of Vietnam, located here in the quiet countryside, all of which are like self contained mini palaces. A true highlight of Hue is the surrounding countryside and cycling is a great way to get out and experience this while checking out the sights. On the late evening of Day 16 we will travel by sleeper train from Hue to Hanoi. Our hotel is centrally located in town and is very convenient to explore the city. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning. The hotel has internet, with a computer available for passengers at the lobby. Approx travel time: Private bus from Hoi An to Hue (Day 15): 4 hours Overnight sleeper train Hue to Hanoi (Day 16): 14 hours
Day 17 Halong Bay/Bai Chai Harbour (1L)
We arrive in the early morning to bustling Hanoi, the capital of Vietnam. After meeting our local guide we transfer to a private bus and make our way to the beautiful and famous Halong Bay. Thousands of islands rise dramatically from the waters of the Bay and, to further their beauty, intricate caves have been hollowed out through these limestone karst formations. Aboard a sailing junk we'll enjoy a seafood lunch and a visit to one of the islands and caves before transfering to the mainland for our overnight stay. Our hotel is located on the Bay Chai beach front with great views of Halong Bay. Our hotel has internet in the lobby with one public computer being available and free wifi. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning. Approx travel time: Private bus Ha Noi to Halong Bay: 4 hours
Day 18-19 Hanoi (2B)
After breakfast, transfer back to Hanoi. Upon arrival, explore Hanoi with an orientation walking tour through the city's old quarter. Each street is named after the trade practiced on that street for several generations; it's an interesting glimpse into the life of a Hanoian in one of the oldest parts of town. Afterwards, some of your options include visits to the Tran Quoc Pagoda, the Temple of Literature (Van Mieu) or Ho Chi Minh's Mausoleum and Museum. The Mausoleum houses the remains of Ho Chi Minh, the founding father of the unified Vietnam (closed October-November). Don't miss taking a walk through Hanoi's Old Quarter – a maze of street, each one traditionally devoted to a different product or industry. Follow this up with a walk around nearby Hoan Kiem lake and see if you can spot one of the famous 100 year old turtles which may still live within its murky waters. In the evening you have an option to attend a performance at the famous Water Puppets and sample some of Hanoi's amazing eating venues. Ask your CEO to tell you about the local Northern delicacies. Our hotel in Hanoi is located in the Old Quarter some 20 minutes walk to Hoan Kiem Lake, the centre of Hanoi. Make sure you grab the map and hotel card before you leave the hotel. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathroom. Computers and wifi are available. Approx Travel Time: Private bus Ha Long Bay to Ha Noi: 4 hours. Please note: As this is a combination trip, some of your tour members may depart in Hanoi and you may be joined by some new travelling companions for the Laos portion of your tour.
Day 20 Vientiane (1B)
Explore a bit of Hanoi in the morning before an afternoon flight to Vientiane, the capital of Laos. There is a wealth of cultural delights to discover - on foot, by bicycle or, for the less energetic, by tuk-tuk. Visit Laos' most important national monument, Phat That Luang, or meander down the dusty riverside tracks to find villages full of friendly children, dogs and chickens. A visit to Vientiane's vibrant, colorful morning market (which incidentally is open all day!) is worthwhile, to find plenty of local treasures. A great way to round off the day is to enjoy a spectacular sunset over the Mekong. Our hotel is centrally located within walking distance of all the town's main sights. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning, safe deposit box, and en suite bathrooms. Approx travel time: Transfer hotel to Hanoi airport: 45 min Flight Hanoi to Vientiane: 1.25 hrs Transfer airport to Vientiane hotel: 15 min.
Day 21-22 Vang Vieng (2B)
A picturesque drive north takes us to beautiful Vang Vieng. This quiet town is set along the Nam Song river amidst rice fields and limestone karsts. On Day 22 why not explore some of the caves by bicycle or take an invigorating walk. In the evening, soak in the natural beauty of Vang Vieng as the sun sets over the river. Our hotel is centrally located. As the town itself is small, it is convenient to explore on foot. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathrooms. Free wifi is available. Approx travel time: Private bus Vientiane to Vang Vieng: 3-4 hrs
Day 23-24 Luang Prabang (2B)
This morning we travel from Vang Vieng to Luang Prabang. Luang Prabang has a magical feel about it. Nestled in the hills of northern Laos on the confluence of the Mekong and Khan Rivers, it is studded with ornate temples and French colonial architecture. A visit the Royal Palace Museum, which has remained untouched since the royal family departed in 1975, is sure to impress. Traditional Laotian culture is to give daily alms to monks. Monks are only allowed to eat food which has been donated to them before noon. On one of your mornings here, you may decide to rise with the sun, and watch one of the most important religious ceremonies in Laos. This is simply an unforgettable South East Asian experience. Our hotel tonight is centrally located and convenient for exploring most of the tourist attractions in town by foot. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathroom. Computers and wifi are available. Approx travel time: Private bus from Vang Vieng to Luang Prabang: 7 hours The road crosses mountains on a winding road. The spectacular views make this overland trip well worth it.
Day 25 Mekong River (1B,1D)
We board our boat for the two day journey up the mighty Mekong River making our way to Chiang Khong. The journey is relaxed, as we experience the slow pace of village life and the breathtaking scenery along the river. Our private boat is reasonably comfortable and spacious. A toilet is available on board. Fruit, tea and coffee are provided free of charge for you to enjoy and other drinks, such as water and soft drinks might be available for purchase on the boat. It can also be quite cold from November to February so make sure you have some warm gear packed. Tonight we will stay in a basic village homestay along the Mekong including dinner. Typically the group is divided into two or more houses (depending on group size) in close proximity to each other. When it comes time to sleep, mattresses are placed across the floor in central living area. Each mattress comes with a blanket, a pillow and a mosquito net. Bathroom facilities are shared. The evening meal is eaten together in one of the houses with the food provided being very simple - giving you the chance to experience typical Laotian cuisine. A vegetarian option is always served and the second option is typically a pork stirfry. Your local guide will take time to explain the local life of the people in this village. You have the option of swimming in the Mekong. Evenings can get cold, so bring a long sleeved top. Approx Travel Time: 8-10 hours depending on river conditions.
Day 26 Chiang Khong (1B,1L)
This morning we re-board our boat and continue our leisurely cruise up the river before arriving at the Laos/Thai border and crossing to Chiang Khong in the late afternoon. Our hotel in Chiang Khong is located right on the riverfront of the Mekong river. All hotel rooms are double or twin share with en suite bathroom. Free wifi is available. Approx travel time: Pakbeng to Chiang Khong: 8-10 hours depending on river conditions Immigration to hotel: 10 min
Day 27-28 Chiang Mai
Departing Chiang Khong after breakfast, we drive to Chiang Mai where you have the afternoon free to explore this fascinating city, once the capital of the Kingdom of Lan. Surrounded by rolling hills, Chiang Mai offers both pretty scenery and architecture. Enclosed by a moat and crumbling walls, the old city features great cafes, shops and accommodations. An important Buddhist centre since the 14th century, Chiang Mai is home to more than 300 temples. Many visitors come here to attend meditation retreats, massage classes or yoga lessons. It is also a centre of handicraft production, with a long history of silver work, woodcarving, pottery-making and weaving. Not to be missed is the Night Bazaar, a series of covered markets, shops and stalls that offer the best selection of handicrafts in Thailand. Our hotel is located near the Chiang Mai Gate to the old city, walking distance to the many temples and to the famous night markets. The hotel is comfortable twin/double share with en suite bathrooms. Wifi is available. Approx travel time: Private transport Chiang Kong to Chiang Mai: 5 hours
Day 29 Bangkok
Today, why not try your hand at local cuisine with a Thai cooking class, visit the magnificent temple of Doi Suthep standing watch over the city from the hills above, take a bicycle ride in the countryside or Embrace the Bizarre and get a massage from the training school at the local woman's prison! Tonight we catch our final overnight train to Bangkok Tonight's accommodation is an overnight sleeper train. Bunks are dormitory style, with bunks on two layers along the side of the train carriage. There are curtains along each bunk for privacy. Your luggage is stored beside you. The train has air-conditioning and clean bedding is provided for each bunk. There are both western style and asian style toilets at the end of each carriage, with wash basins. Food and drinks are available on the train, but you may choose to bring your own snacks from the shop and restaurants around the train station. Please note: Due to disruptions of Thai trains in the north during the monsoon season, trips running July through October may be upgraded to a flight and extra hotel night in Chiang Mai instead of the overnight train. Approx travel time: Overnight train Chiang Mai to Bangkok: 12-13 hours
Day 30 Bangkok
We'll arrive early in the morning to Bangkok, Thailand's capital city. The day is free to explore the many sights of Bangkok. The Grand Palace, Wat Po, National Museum, and Jim Thompson's House are just a few suggestions. A trip along the Chao Praya river and through the canals (or klongs) gives you a different perspective of daily life in this busy city. In the evening we'll say good bye and enjoy an optional Thai meal and perhaps a beer together to celebrate the end of an amazing journey. We spend this evening in Bangkok. Our hotel is located in China Town, next to the central train station and MRT (Subway), and is only a short USD2 taxi ride from Khao San road and the central shopping area of Siam Square, MBK, Siam Paragon, etc. All rooms are double or twin share with air conditioning and en suite bathroom. The hotel has a small pool and wifi is available at extra cost.


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Sad, really. A team in decline vs a team on the rise. Looking across the field at Sparano with Gates, Bell, Hilliard, and whatever other of our cast offs - I almost feel sympathy for them because I know where that leads. Almost.
No doubt in my mind we are positioned to take over this division for years to come (Brady can't play forever!), and the Jests are on the verge of implosion and a total rebuild. As I said, 2 teams heading in opposite directions.
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