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What is more important: inspiration or motivation?
There are lot of people who are an inspiration. Motivation on the other hand is achieved when you journey through yourself. Inspiration can even come out of a plastic bottle but motivation can only come out of self analysis.
So, what is bigger factor for success? Motivation or Inspiration? Can motivation come from the outside? Can motivation exist without inspiration or can inspiration exist without motivation?
Oct 11 2013: The problem with motivation and inspiration is that they are not long-term states. Along with motivation and inspiration we should consider dedication.
A dedicated individual will persist past points where motivation or inspiration is lacking.
Oct 12 2013: You said it my man. It made me chuckle after reading it.Oct 14 2013: It is so good to listen to such diverse takes but similar views on the idea.
I think my decision to be active on TED community was wise.
Perfect example of motivation, inspiration and perspiration working together. :)Oct 11 2013: It is difficult to quantify such things; rarely does one exist without the other. However, if I had to chose, if I was forced. I believe that it is motivation that keeps one focused on the end state. Motivation keeps us going when the work truly becomes hard. Inspiration is the spark that sets one on the path, it is fleeting at best and as inspired as one maybe in the end, if there is no motivation to finish then what was the inspiration for? As an artist I look to my inspirations to give me that spark, the send off if you will. However, it is my motivation the drives me to completion. As a Sergeant in the Army, Inspiration will rally my Soldiers to the cause, but motivation keeps them fighting when the bullets start flying.
Motivation can come for the outside, as a leader I motivate my soldiers to complete the mission. It is partly how the Army defines leadership. Leaders provide direction, purpose and motivation. However I have found that without some kind of internal motivation no amount of prodding or coercion will make an unmotivated Soldier perform any task. At some level motivation must come from within the individual.
I think to sum up the last part of your question I would have to say that inspiration can exist without motivation. One can be inspired, but never act on it. In that sense he or she lacks motivation. On the other hand one can be motivated to do something but not know what it is they wish to do. I have heard many people say "I want to do something, but I don't know what. Just something." Is this motivation without inspiration or is it simply a drive to be productive out of boredom? However, one cannot motivate themselves into inspiration. Trust me I have tried. As much as I wish for inspiration to strike while I sit in front of a canvas with wet paints in hand or at my computer looking at the heading "chapter 2", my genius chooses its own time to grace me its presents.Inspiration is spontaneous and unpredictable striking like lighting.
Oct 13 2013: Interesting James, just to put it into perspective, motivation is more on the outside while inspiration finds its roots deep within your heart. Yes you can motivate people into doing something but that doesn't show them how. They know what to do but they don't know how to do it. Motivation just tickles you into doing something while inspiration gives you the tools and the know-how to successfully achieve your endeavor.
For more on this please see the comment I posted, it's somewhere top of the page.
Interesting topic indeed..Oct 15 2013: I think that the two are connected and cannot be separated. They both play large parts in success. Inspiration often comes from outside influences and that influence leads to motivation (the call to action). When you are inspired by something/someone, that inspiration will drive you to do better or be better. That drive is then carried over into motivation which is the desire to do something or change. However, I believe that inspiration can come from self analysis and reflection. When reflecting and looking back at your life or decisions, there are points where you overcame an obstacle or impressed yourself in personal situations or professional situations. These moments can serve as inspiration for your own growth and your own journey of success. I think they are meant to co-exist because they follow a pattern that ultimately leads to success.
Oct 15 2013: So tru; I think that one cannot effectively exist without the other. Inspiration is the idea and motivation is what propels a person to bring that idea to fruition.
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Oct 13 2013: I think it was Einstein who said something along the lines of "Success = 1% inspirations + 99% hard work" ... but to maintain levels of hard work to achieve the vision sparked by the inspiration or the desired outcome one needs to be focused and persistent, and I think these are determined by ones emotional endurance.
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Oct 13 2013: Well, you have read my MIND.Oct 13 2013: We really need to understand the meaning of the word "inspire," to inspire simply means to "fill up," "to charge up," "to equip," and "to empower." So inspiration has to do with what you feel deep within your heart, when you are inspired you are charged up, equipped and empowered from within. This is the real you coming to life here, you cannot forge inspiration because it is something from within you and nothing surpasses this. When a man is fully inspired, nothing can stop him in his feat, why? Because it is what gives him passion and fulfillment in life, it is what brings him to life, real life. One example, When the Master (Jesus) breathed to his disciples (John 20:22), he was inspiring, empowering them to go and be themselves fully doing what they were filled up to do effectively. Now we all know what they did after that, it was because they were most inspired and it was natural for them to do all the great feats that they did.
Motivation on the other hand is just really the tender stage of inspiration; when fully applied it leads to inspiration. Usually we begin at motivation in order to go to inspiration, so a man has to be motivated first in order to be inspired, or simply put, motivation is a precursor for inspiration. Motivation just stirs your hunger or your thirst up and pushes you to quench that thirst and when you decide to quench that thirst, that's when you start embarking on a journey of inspiration. Needless to say, inspiration far supersedes motivation...motivation is for babes while inspiration is for the matured. You can't change the world with motivation only but with inspiration it has been transformed for the better and we have history to attest to that with a number of great men and women who through inspiring people went on to achieve the unthinkable. I will not follow a man who only motivates me but I will definitely believe in the one who empowers me through inspiration because that one not only tells me what to do but shows me how.
Oct 13 2013: I really liked your answer and your description of "Inspiration" vs "Motivation". The only thing I disagreed is the part when you say "Motivation is for babies while inspiration is for the matured.", I think everyone needs both of them on any part of their life, because someone who's already inspired will always be uninspired at any point of his/her life, and that's where motivation takes part.Oct 13 2013: Reading all the answers here. I got this conclusion.
Motivation can be extrinsic or intrinsic but wherever it may originate, it will need perspiration to quantify into success.
Motivation and Inspiration can and will be only temporary. Persistence however will be the most important factor if we were to define any activity. But if we were to talk about idea alone, motivation would be the most important because it promotes perspiration on a deeper level compared to inspiration.
This is what I got. Thank You everyone for your answers. I hope I will try to understand it even further.
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Oct 12 2013: I feel motivation about my "retirement work" when helping others.
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Inspiration gives me my ideas.Meteorically speaking, the old saying goes like this:
Give a person a fish and you feed them for a day.
Teach them how to fish and you feed them for a life time.
My addition to this old saying is:
"Teach a person how to teach fishing and you feed the world forever."
The fish metaphor could be replaced with the words free solar electric from the sun. The Sun charges electric batteries which run generators that heats sea water. This sea water is pumped, using electric pumps. Sea water is pumped through electric heated pipes. These hot pipes turn the sea water into steam which rises automatically and thus can escape into other pipes and then the steam cools and turns into clean water and is dropped into different pipes. Large pips could run from California to Texas. Lots of sun and vacant land in those 2,000 miles AND the sea at both ends!
OBJECTION: Big oil and other companies want to make this idea so complicated that it's too big to understand. Too big and complicated to understand only if we let politicians make the decisions of what we are capable of understanding. Politicians want to pump oil from Canada to Texas and college student are so stupid and or preoccupied texting that they can't organize will enough to make a reasonable objection let along an idea of their own. Today's students have bought into the idea/propaganda that they are smarter than my no internet protesting generation.
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Oct 11 2013: Perspiration transcends them both.
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Oct 12 2013: ... and it is only during dedicated perspiration that inspiration comes. (viz: "Inspiration exists, but it must find you working" Pablo Picasso)
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However, in order to do the daily work of dedicated perspiration, motivation to get out of bed in the morning and get on with it, is needed. This suggests that maybe motivation is the prime-mover in all this.
Oct 12 2013: I've heard the only thing that matters is indeed earnestness. Where does one get it?Oct 14 2013: Motivation and Inspiration are linked. We can get inspiration from someone or something. As soon as we get it(inspiration) a motivation state can be create in ourselves to achieve what we want.
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Oct 13 2013: Inspiration is the precursor to motivation, in my opinion. Unless it is imposed motivation i.e. mundane jobs that people motivate themselves to do in order to get a wage/money.Oct 17 2013: I must agree with the others on here and say that I believe the two ideas are completely connected.
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You can be stuffed full of inspiration but without action it is not going to lead you anywhere, and vice versa, you can be extremely motivated but without the inspiration behind you actions where will you end up?
I have had inspiration literally waiting to pour out of me in the past, but I lacked the motivation to do anything with it. There have also been moments where I was overwhelmed with the need to act and yet I could not find inspiration to be able to accomplish anything.
These two ideas are intertwined; they go hand-in-hand. One without the other is useless and will never lead you to a truly successful place.Oct 14 2013: motivation is a force that urges us to do something. Inspiration is epiphany or nirvan
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Oct 14 2013: It seems to me motivation requires a definable goal. It's the desire to attain a predetermined level of mastery. Inspiration is often the launching pad into uncharted territory. Though motivation sustains the vast body of knowledge already existing in the world, all new knowledge began with inspiration.
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So to answer the question... inspiration is more important.Oct 13 2013: It's depends upon the situation.Oct 13 2013: Okay apologies for the language used there, I was just trying to highlight the difference between the two. Other than that yes we both need them definitely.Oct 13 2013: motivation can come out of share necessity. working to put food on the table or some other external source some one in trouble maybe someone holding a gun to your head to get you to do something I would not count these factors as inspirational
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Oct 13 2013: Inspiration.Oct 12 2013: Hello Gunjan,
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As an either/or question, motivation is primary over inspiration, bearing in mind that inspiration often catalyses internal motivation, but external and internal motivation get it done in the material world.
Important parts are also played by:
the Will (the Will to do),
the Soul (can I live with myself if I do this?),
the Intellect (does the action make rational-logical sense to me?).
All of it requires determination and perspiration.
Carl Mueller
Oct 12 2013: I like your intellectual talking points about, get off our asses and do something. Easier said than done when it's safer to do nothing. Keep up the intellectual insight. You helped inspire me or should I say motivate me?Oct 13 2013: Joshua:
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I keep asking these questions whenever someone lectures me in a conference or in a meeting about these things. I would rather be doing laundry than listen to these words which make little sense. Perspiration for me was and always will be the most important but I just wanted an opinion because the masses believe that success is achieved mostly when these factors come into play.Oct 12 2013: From your definitions and examples motivation can come from plastic bottle.
Oct 12 2013: see (listen) also to Jim Croce's song "Time in a Bottle". (I'm not sure if it was plastic or not).
Oct 12 2013: I was just saying , In you're statement you claimed that motivation only comes from within but inspiration can come from a bottle. Well guess what! ? Motivation can also spawn from inspiration! ! Isn't that wild! ?......Oct 12 2013: My impression of motivation-inspiration relationship can be explained this way:
Motivation - you have groceries for some meal
Inspiration- you have a lot recepies for these groceries and also you have plenty of spices,to make diferent interesting meals.
So, that mean that these forms- motivation and inspiration, have to be in relationship. Both of them are important. Because you can't have achievement without
motivation (which is important prerequisite to keep try) and
inspiration ( to make ton of different ways, to make path to reaching success more interesting, and as I said before, to "spicing" whole thing, by inspiration). :))))
Gord G
Oct 12 2013: I think the opposite is true. People can be motivated by simple means...a wage, a bonus, a promise of advancement. Inspiration requires complicity of the soul...an intangible connection with the sublime.Oct 12 2013: Inspiration is an essential component or prerequisite of motivation. To love what you do, and to be able to do it.Oct 11 2013: 1. the ability to recognize a good idea that is implementable (other may not think it is a good idea or doable)
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3. the ability to recognize when it is not working and change directionOct 11 2013: The terms researchers use in studying the question of motivation are "intrinsic motivation" and "extrinsic motivation." Intrinsic motivation is the type that comes from within. Extrinsic is the kind that relates to an external incentive.
As an example, if you read a book because you love that author, that is intrinsic motivation. If you read the book because you will fail the class if you refuse to read the book, that is extrinsic motivation.
This popular TED talk on motivation has had almost 6.5 million views. http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.htmlOct 11 2013: Motivation being intrinsic is more important as its within one's self domain .
Oct 13 2013: In actual fact you are referring to inspiration there hey...check my post on this above.

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Fantastic dressing that I have made many times now. I never used vinegar or sugar before but it really gives blah old potato salad some zing. I used to throw out potato salad after a few days but I never have any leftover now. I never add the carrot or pimento or parsley and only add the celery when I have it. I have though, taken to mixing this dressing in a small bowl beforehand. I have always had a bit of a time, either making my potato cubes too hard, undercooked, or too mushy and they mash up too much when trying to blend in the dressing ingredients. Pre-mixing the dressing in the bowl, I can cook my potato cubes fairly soft and then gently fold in the pre-made dressing only to toss the onions, celery and potato cubes and eggs togehther and just coat with the dressing. A perfect chunky potato salad!
The dressing or sauce as some reviewers referred to is what makes the difference in this potato salad. I have been making a similar one for years (just the way my grandmother and her daughters made it). My potato salad has always received rave reviews, always requested by my children for special dinners or if I just have not make it in a while. Our preference is to add boiled eggs and more onions, celery, chopped pickles and pimento, otherwise it is just potatoes with seasonings. I also did not see what just a little amount of carrots would add to the flavor. If you like celery, also add some celery seeds to the dressing before adding to the polatoes. If you will sprinkle the vinegar on the hot potatoes, they will absorb more flavor and defiitely add the mixed dressing to the hot potatoes so they will absord the flavors, then chill. Good basic recipe, just adjust to your own liking and enjoy. Note: After reading the original receipe over several times, because I just could not understand the no eggs and the small amounts of the other vegetables, it clicked, these were just supposed to be flavorings for the sauce or dressing and as other reviewers indicated, they added eggs and more vegetables, otherwise it is just sauce on potatoes, but very good sauce and it just makes sense to cut the potatoes into serving size pieces prior to cooking.
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This is wonderful potato salad. The dressing is creamy and flavorful. Most people won't have to change a thing. For my family's personal preference I used 5 hard boiled eggs, mashing up the yolks into the mayo mixture, for a eggy tasting dressing. I also added another teaspoon of grey poupon mustard, left out carrots. Thanks so much for a great potato salad, Mary Ann.
Be careful not to use to large of potatoes, or they will not be done. Cut them in half. Boiling time needed to be a bit longer, about 45 minutes. Good taste.
Excellent potato salad, my family loved it, it is easy and tasty. I used miracle whip as mayonnaise and it turned out great
Great potato salad. Made a few changes...No onions (I hate them), no pimento (didn't have any), no carrot (didn't have any) and celery seed instead of celery (I am not fond of the crunchy texture in a potato salad). I know it sounds bland but it was still GREAT! There were no left overs!
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Ana gets her 2013 season underway at the Hyundai Hopman Cup in Perth, where she will compete alongside Novak Djokovic. The event begins on Saturday; Serbia plays its first match on Monday 31 December against Italy.
"The off-season has flown by," said Ana. "It doesn't feel like there's been much of a break, but I'm excited to get back onto court. I feel that Novak and I have some unfinished business here in Perth."
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Jerry Beck left cartoon brew. Or Amid bought out his half.
Cartoonbrew is now officially the TMZ of animation news. the bottom of the barrel stories. trash, garbage and gossip. Any integrity that the site had is now gone with Jerry's exit.
Why not join in on the discussion over at cartoonbrew right now! just make sure your comments are kissing amid's ass or he will not approve them and censor any dissenting legitimate opinion that makes him look like he's in the wrong (which in a lot of cases he is).
While you're there try to navigate through their new convoluted, cluttered layout full of big flashy, obnoxious ad spaces from mega studios that have the money to pay for them. Learn about which of the current animated features is up for an award. An award from an organization where votes can be bought through membership. "Work with me Annie Let's get it while the gettin' is good"
Thank goodness for real sites like AN who give you unfiltered truth on how this business really operates. And also encourages alternatives to the corrupt dinosaur system that steve "that's the way it is, that's the way it will be " hullett perpetuates with his pointless strolls around studio hallways "checking in"
WHy aren't you there at 9pm steve? 10 pm? 12 am? the weekend?
Oh, sorry, our dues must not pay you enough to actually see artists working free overtime.
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Well don't let the door hit ya in the ass Jerry.
Ooops, I gotta watch myself. He might go postal and call me up and yell at me over the phone. May 2010.
Or he might flip me off for no discernible reason like he did to Snakebite at the union debate on October 21 2011.
Or he might call me "the enemy" like he did at... what a coincidence... the union debate on October 21 2011.
Good luck Mr. Beck. At least you've separated yourself from the lowest of the low. That has to be a step in the right direction.
Developing a mature, professional, mutually respectful and supportive relationship with him or Amidi or Hulett is an impossibility. The dysfunction is too deep.
Thanks for acknowledging AN sorryguyz. Your good word is appreciated. There's still cool people out there and you're one of them.
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That video gave me a good laugh. So good i had to replay it 3 times.
I love cartoons as much as the next person, but i also have a life outside of them and animation. I fear for these goons that their fanboy obsessions have severely limited their capacity to function like normal human beings in social settings. So they can forever hide behind their toys, original cels/drawings, film reels, and other miscellaneous memorandum while failing to face the real problems that continue plague a long-broken industry.
In the meantime the future is now.
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It's not the industry that's broken per se.
It's a chronically dysfunctional community of animation artists that live in a fantasy fueled by their own neurosis of denial and manifested by fear and hostility and apathy.
Leave the past behind. The future is now!
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The best evidence of the abject hypocrisy of cartoonbrew is the presence of Jerry Beck at the event where this videotape was shot.
If was sponsored by Women In Animation and took place at the meeting room of the Animation Guild in Burbank on October 21, 2011. The great debate that the union membership boycotted cuz I was there. Go figure...
WIA got $10 per head from those in attendance so it was a fund raiser for them as well.
Now, if Mr. Beck saw fit to grace us with his being there, then it must have been either important enough or entertaining enough for him to be there. If that's the case... why no mention on cartoonbrew? No article, no promotion, no mention either before or after the fact.
Isn't cartoonbrew about animation news? Aren't they all about the artists and the industry and about making things better?
You know guys, not one time did he ever bsupport AN in any way. He never attended an AnimatioNation event, never subscribed to the site when we were asking for an unbelievably outrageous $15 PER YEAR.
At least Amidi went along for a couple of years before throwing a public tantrum and quitting the forums. But that was after I advertised in his Animation Blast magazine for my school at a price of $550 over two issues.
It's a real shame that a couple of guys as passionate about animation as they are can't get over themselves and just be friends. It's asking too much.
Anyway. Whatever.
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I've got a question for the community.
Do you think that blacklisting goes on in the animation industry?
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One of the fastest rising stars in women's tennis continued her march to the top on Thursday, upsetting No.3 seed Vera Zvonareva, 62 64 in second round action at the J & S Cup in Warsaw.
Ivanovic, who picked up her first career Top 10 victory in her last outing at Miami - defeating Svetlana Kuznetsova, now has two Top 10 wins in her last two events after her straight sets victory over Zvonareva.
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Do you think that immorality is more supported by people?
Almost all of us can tell what's right and what's wrong. And many of us try to stay away from what we believe is wrong. But when it comes to reinforcing others actions by admiration, I see that immoral actions and figures seem to be more supported than the moral ones.
Do you see the same?
Mats K
Dec 20 2012: "Do you think that immorality is more supported by people?"
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The reason we have wars over resources, 3 billion people in poverty, crime and violence and human suffering due to that is because of ignorance, not 'evil people'. The reason some people "choose" what you call immorality over morality is not because they are naturally bad or wrong or evil. It's because they're either brought up to believe that which seems immoral to you or simply conditioned to react in certain behavioral patterns in order to survive.
You say "Almost all of us can tell what's right and what's wrong.". That's wrong. The truth is the exact opposite. We are all brought up to believe whatever the culture reinforces upon us. We are all victims of culture. Mirrors of our environment. The brain doesn't decipher between good and bad values, actions and behaviors. Therefore, one can never talk about human nature without consulting the environment.
If you brought up a nice Jewish boy in a Hitler Youth camp and he saw nothing else, he would become Nazi. And if his brain had better tissue and receptors than the rest of his group, he would become a Nazi faster than the others. That's why if you bring up a Chinese boy in Oxford, England he will have an Oxford accent and walk and behave as any other Englishman. That's why if you travel to Amazon and ask a little Amazonian headhunter boy if he don't feel sorry for having five shrunken heads on a stick, he would respond: "Yes, my brother has twenty". So, is he a bad and unnormal human being? No, it's normal to think and act like that in that type of environment. Same goes for any type of environment people are brought up in or inhabit.Dec 16 2012: Immorality is easy than intergrity and exemplary moral character.
Immorality has little or no rules, anything goes.
People are more comfortable with some manifestation of immorality than others. For example, a Hip-hop star who calls his girlfriend or wife a 'bitch' or a 'ho', could get applause or even admiration and sell more records.
A lying political leader or a dictator are not any better than the hip hop star in my example. They are both immoral in their sphere of influence.
Dec 19 2012: Feyisayo, I some what agree with in principles but strongly disagree with you in practice about your extrapolating notion of morality: why and who determined that these leaders, dictators and hip hop stars are immoral "in their sphere of influence" in first place?Dec 21 2012: I agree that immorality is supported more in our society. Our society has changed so much over time that what was once immoral is just common everyday practices that we are encouraged to support. Immoral acts are literally all over the place. Making it easy for them to subtly make their way into our lives. For people who don't strive to cut these things out of their lives, they just become even more desensitized to them. Now, (just as Mats Kaarbo commented), not everyone can determine right from wrong... Unfortunately.
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Dec 19 2012: Every society glorifies immorality. Think back through history and there are few times if any that morality is commended. There is always that thought in my head that says, when you are doing everything right no one notices, but mess up once and you'll pay for it for the rest of your life. One bad choice, one immoral act, one life choice that doesn't agree with what is commonly good or bad. People often believe the reputation before they believe the truth.
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The media that gets the attention is negative, that's what sells. That is what makes the game players more money.Dec 19 2012: Thank you for your great contributions.
You are right, the term "immoral" can be ambiguous and I should have specified it. What I meant by an immoral action is that one which results in the harm of others. I do realize that this definition resembles that of violence, but I found it appropriate to define immorality with its results to find common ground here.
So as an answer to Cliff Nzombato, yes, there is a victim in any immoral act, many victims sometimes!
And I agree, we cannot classify actions to right or wrong/ white or black, but I believe we can after considering the circumstances, motives and standards in a certain region. That is why I used the word morality and I hypothesized that we all were born with an instinct which guides us to avoid what hurts others, unconditionally.
I am not talking about personal freedom here, not talking about homosexuality, drinking, gambling, eating pork, driving... etc. I am talking about misleading, greed, pointless revenge, causing others misery, even murder, in the name of pride or self-actualization, extravagance with the earth's resources, cheating... etc. Just as what Robert Winner stated in his comment.
Implicit examples do exist, like those celebrties who promote products (e.g. foods) that cause serious health problems, or those who make people believe that our value resides in what we OWN, or those politicians who set borders between nations and make it legitimize to kill and attack in the name of defense, turning people against each other, and making them actually fall for such lies. Also, in my opinion, the lack of action is considered an immorality especially when one can make a change. Like many of us CAN prevent many people from being hurt but we still prefer to look after ourselves, and ourselves only.
Jerry Yang has pointed out a decent explanation. I think we have been numbed to accept seeing damage being done and still not do a thing about it. Aren't the majority allowing this to happen?
Kareem Fahim
Dec 19 2012: Actually, society does glorify immorality.
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Dec 19 2012: Yes materialism does it very well! Treat others unfairly based on superficial standards.
Jerry Yang
Dec 19 2012: With the advent of popular culture, there has been a mass desensitization of many topics. These days, children are able to watch violent videos and access information that they shouldn't have access to. It's not the fact that immorality is supported more by people; we still praise good deeds and actions. It's the fact that over time, as technology has increased connectivity and the mass distribution of informatiom, people have become desensitized, and as a result, we are doing actions that would have been considered immoral about a decade or two ago.
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Dec 19 2012: Jerry is it possible to suggest just maybe that the actions your were refering to were never immoral in the first place "a decade or two ago"?
Dec 19 2012: Discussing what happens in the bedroom in public used to be taboo. Now, people make nasty comments all over the 'Net about who's going out with whom. You're right, perhaps not "a decade or two ago"; perhaps even sooner.
Don Anderson
Dec 19 2012: It only seems like immorality has more supporters, but in fact morality does. For every strip club, casino or any place that may be considered immoral there are ten churches, temples, YMCAs, food banks, homeless shelters, etc.
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Hollywood and its friend politics is why it seems immorality is in the majority, the reality they are just more vocal.
Life is a game (created by God for us) and what fun is a game without bad guys to smash and puzzles to solve?
Dec 19 2012: The "game" comment suggests that "smashing bad guys" contributes to success and happiness. Are we to develop a society that attempts to eradicate the "bad guys" to and have a society with just "good guys"? Remember that morality is subjective to a certain degree.
Dec 19 2012: Jerry: "Remember that morality is subjective to a certain degree."
And there is the Puzzle :) Boy this game is fun!
P.S. to clarify what I mean by smash, I'll state some of the weapon options; kindness, charity, forgiveness, education, etc. plus not all bad guy are external.
Gail .
Dec 19 2012: I can agree in a round about way, but not in the way that your question inferred. If you would drop the word "moral" from your question, I could answer. But as soon as you add the word "moral", you set up a road block that makes answering difficult at best.
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I live in the US. Here, people have a tendency to revere leaders - be they political or religious. Most of these leaders are immoral to one degree or another, because when one assumes a position of leadership over others, one must be immoral. There is no other way. To assume a leadership role (exert control over others' minds), one has to convince the followers to be sheeple and give up responsibility for their own lives/decisions. This is, in MY book, immoral abuse. But when a culture (that defines morality) decides that it is a good thing to revere such leadership, then the immoral abuse is supported by that culture.
So in this context, yes I see that immoral actions seem to be more supported than moral ones because. If it were not so, then our "leaders" would listen and offer rational and TRUTHFUL explanations after questions, and not put their own agendas ahead of the sheeple they themselves make to feel inferior and inadequate.Dec 19 2012: Ghina, It is some times easier to answer if you provide a bio. The philosophy of morality is ethics. A moral code is a system of morality (according to a particular philosophy, religion, culture, etc.) I would guess that you are very conservative. Most of what we believe is derived by our culture. As you may have guess by the replies most of TED members are very liberal and many athiests. Within our culture we have had it defined to us what is good and what is bad. As we venture out into the world we find that not all people hold these same values. Even within my area as I do not fit the norm as I am married and faithful, do not drink, and hold religious values.
I do see what you mean though. I would have thought that the people would have ran Bill Clinton out of office for his many affairs ... his popularity among democrats increased. JFK same thing. FDR same thing. In our sports heros and politicians cheating, lying, stealing, drunkiness, unfaithfulness, and all the things we were taught were "bad" have become acceptable.
My suggestion is that we live our lives as an example to others and "choose the right" in our dealing with others. The one person that you must answer to is in the mirror every morning. The sign over my door for my children and all the family to serve as a guide reads simple "RETURN WITH HONOR".
I wish you well. Bob.
Dec 20 2012: Thank you,
And I have updated my profile!
Dec 20 2012: It was my pleasure .... Your bio was a kind act that will allow us to answer in a more direct and applicable manner .... therefore .... thank you.
John Smith
Dec 19 2012: "Do you see the same?"
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I don't, you have to understand the difference between true admiration of something and finding entertainment in a fictional depiction of something, you are also substituting other people's value systems with yours, which you can't just do, see, by your Arabic name I can deduce that you are probably socially conservative and so may find some things wrong that other people (such as myself) don't find wrong.
Dec 19 2012: I like how you drew a line between admiration and finding entertainment. Isn't it hard to differentiate though? And does not being amused by some action results in the promotion of this action as well?
Dec 19 2012: I don't think it's hard to differentiate between the two. Just watch "All Quiet On The Western Front" and you'll see that you can like a depiction of violence, but that it actually makes you hate real life violence more than you did before. But even if you are truly entertained by a violent film you would probably still be shocked if it happened in real life and you would oppose it. It's true that some people (often only when they're young) will find inspiration in violent media, but that says more about these people than about the violent media.Dec 17 2012: I suggest we don't agree 100% on what is right or wrong.
Most of us might agree on some issues, but disagree on others.
For example opinions are split on whether homosexuality is immoral or not. Whether woman should be allowed to drive a car. Whether parents can decide to mutilate their children's genitals for religious reasons. Or whether we eat pork.
Could you give some examples of admiration for immoral acts?
I'm not sure if you are referring to voyerism, people enjoying reading about people doing bad things, or actually supporting people who do bad things. If the latter then perhaps to some, the bad things are not bad. I applaud the women in Saudi protesting by driving cars. I support gay rights advocates. I don't see them ass immoral.
Dec 19 2012: Obey, I agree with your narrative of explaining specific positions and matters within their context in the way and manner each behavior affect our social dynamics with one another; which, of cause its relevant to how we see our world or the lens with which we view our world. I think in the issue of morality we should give all attention and show respect to every side in matters of faith, believe or of personal narrative, knowing that every one some measure passion to their values in relate to their presumable influence in society.
I think we may strongly disagree with our opponent on a variety of subjects on social issues but we should not make light, dismissed them or make a caricature of their position in any debate, because our behaviors are intrinsic and they are here to stay. The difference between a Patriot and a Rebel is "power", the more we understand difference we would see similarities, and the closer we can get to peaceful co-existence is in a pluralistic society. Good job, Obey.Dec 16 2012: I disagree with part of what you say.
I don't think most people can tell what is right or wrong.
That would mean that most are insane because that is what insanity is. Not knowing the difference between right and wrong, good or bad or true and false.
Yet most do try, it seems to me, to live their lives by what they believe are the rules of right and wrong.
The problem is that the rules of what is right and what is wrong, are themselves wrong.
Thus, most are insane because they don't know difference between right and wrong. They think they do.
And they can't or do not, recognize their insanity because everyone around them is insane too. Believes the same BS.
Many times people are accepted, even admired, when they are true to themselves, especially when and if they go against the commonly accepted morality of their community, culture or country.
Sometimes they pay a heavy price for this, "to thine own self be true."
I don't think most support what one might call "immorality" but rather people sense and even know that what they've been taught or coerced into believing or doing, is really wrong, so they rebel, and it helps when they have support from others.
Most don't know what is wrong. They only believe what others have told them without thinking too deeply or looking to closely at the belief. Sounds good, must be right.
I think many are mental robots.They have been rendered Artificially Intelligent. The real problem is that they have done so willingly.
Dec 20 2012: I like your comment. I guess rights or wrongs changes depending on people and condition. Human nature includes good and bad sides, so it is impossible to avoid bad but take it under control. And during a situation, one needs conscience to decide which act is good or bad. And conscience comes with education, deep thinking and objective learning (which grow recently through internet and self-education). As you said, one needs courage to do the good, even if it requires heavy price. But if someone could reach the level of such conscience, then I guess he could have the courage to do it.Dec 26 2012: well, i think it all depends on everyone's definition of immorality , some people would think of a particular behavior as immoral whereas that behavior can be thought of as moral by other people , everyone sees things from different perspective that's the reason of all the argument ..
Dec 29 2012: That is true. Makes me wonder what immorality even means anymore. From the looks of it, what's good is bad and what's bad is good nowadays... It's such a shame.Dec 20 2012: I want to take you attention to a different point of view about these strange immoral acts and admiration to them. Maybe most people don't ever think about it, but oppression is an effective indoctrination method. People don't like being oppressed and have an intention to do the opposite. And it has a great cover such as "freedom of choice" or "freewill". As a result, many people do immoral (or wrong or whatever you want to call) things in the name of feeling so-called freedom and thought that this is their choice. Family pressure, school pressure, work pressure, fears about future (we can increase these examples), but most important of all guided pressure by some societies and some so-called religious people, lead people to rebellion and immoral acts and this can be an expression of flight from reality. And this may cause the insanity and suicides because actually this is not the nature of human. Human are suitable for living clean, safe and happy. People like being supported by other and doing good things.
What can be done for the solution? One should look inside him and decide with deep thinking. Ignorance may cause quick and destructive affect but if the education system improves into awaking the inner dynamics of people, than this may be a good starting point.
You can check the TED talk of Mr. Dan Pink: The puzzle of motivation, it is really inspiring.Dec 20 2012: Today I was reading an article by Michael Shermer, tiled "How Communities Shape Our Morals" published by Scientific American Magazine. In this article the writer points out the effect of peer pressure and group mentality on ones decisions.
I think we all have experienced doing things that we don't normally do (or not doing things that we would usually do) just to feel coherent with the surrounding attitudes. And I just find it fascinating how the pressure is so overwhelming that it blocks us from acting upon our own beliefs.
Any thoughts regarding minimizing this peer pressure effect?Dec 20 2012: A man with no money,when he is hungry enough, will go into a store and steal something to eat. Is he acting immorally or out of necessity. He knows right from wrong but is stimulated by hunger to act against what he knows is right. Unfortunately, people act the same when it comes to money and power. Even small bits of them will cause someone to act wrongly. Have you ever been "power played?" If people don't change, I fear the worst for mankind.
Dec 20 2012: So your saying that its the need what's making people ignore morality. It does make sense, especially when looking at what's going on in the regions that suffer from poverty.Dec 19 2012: Can you provide evidence that what we know as "morals" exists beyond the framework of a belief system?
Here I am implying that most of what we call morals are merely an acquired belief in what is right or wrong.
Dec 20 2012: I think I do. The moral system does exist in animals behavior, so saying that morality is just that sum of beliefs of what's right or what's wrong suggests that some animals have got a beliefs system as well. Could animals possess such a cognitive ability?Dec 19 2012: I think we can just summarize here and say we all want to protect our entire species. That's weird. No other animal on earth could give a rats .... about the earth. We seem very fond of her.
I think we all live on a similar wavelength. I think its possible to get closer to eachother on this wavelength. I really do believe that is what we are moving towards.
I realize some of you don't agree with gay marriage...and the day it impacts your life I say take a stand...but we can all agree that for some reason...we are moving towards equality for everybody.
Little people on TV, immigrants on TV....I mean some of this sounds like nothing now...but if you would have told somebody living 150 years ago that Obama would be president in 2012 I am pretty sure you would be laughed at.
I think its all about balance...and educating yourself.
Let me give you an example.
Prisons started as horribly run profit based establishments. We have grown since then...to understand the criminal mind...and attribute behaviors to more than "evil".
So we are finding out that these people need help...not punches in the face. Therefore, all those years we assumed people were just "evil" making these choices because they wanted to.....well we were wrong.
As we learn more about the human mind and how it works...I believe we will better understand morality and "bad choices". I think we need to understand that people make choices as the consequence of their perceptions not Satan.
People are becoming much better. If you think we are getting worse...you just haven't educated yourself enough on history.
Dec 20 2012: I have not stated that immorality is more dominant in TODAY'S world. It is just a a some sort of tendency to believe that the past was better than the present for some reason.Dec 19 2012: Ghina, is there a victem in any immoral act? Your thoughts
Megan DaGata
Dec 19 2012: The victim is the person performing the act. Even if you commit the crime you are just as much of a victim as the actual person who was hurt. You have to live with it, you have to look yourself in the mirror everyday, unless you have a mental disorder you are just as much the victim as "the victim."
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I think the old addage "harm none" is important here, because none includes yourself.
Rob Cork
Dec 17 2012: Depends on the group paradigm within an accepted frame of reference.Dec 16 2012: It probably isn't my experience. What specific immoral figures are you thinking of who you think receive a lot of admiration?Dec 16 2012: It's implied as Morality and Immorality is a human consturct.
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French police may be able to close the book on the case of Axl Rose's missing jewelry. As was previously reported, someone walked off with three of the singer's necklaces after last night's Guns N' Roses show in Paris, and earlier today, a young model returned the $200,000 bounty, according to Blabbermouth.net (via RTL.fr).
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Gallery: Tower House in Chicago Raises the Bar for Small House Design
This little house in Chicago was designed to offer big views while maintaining a high degree of energy efficiency throughout the year. The project takes all the living spaces, stacks them up, and caps the home off with a sweet rooftop deck. Architect Rick Phillips designed the home for himself with a clean modernist line in mind. Wrapped in a steel frame on an incredibly small .038 acre site, the Tower House proves how much living you can get from a modest footprint.
The cozy 1,152 square-foot home tucks parking underneath and provides access via a 10 x 10 stairway chase adjacent to the home's steel girded box form. The second floor makes up the bedrooms, and the third is the living space with a European-inspired kitchen. The rooftop deck completes the home and it has a retractable sunscreen to help cool the deck and interior on a hot afternoon.
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October 13, 2010 at 9:49 am
Check the floorplans, the concrete block tower adjacent to the red external staircase houses an internal one. This is no different than countless homes here in Chicago that have both external terracing and stairs as well as an internal one.
Awards, justly deserved.
October 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Uhm… an totally outdoor stairwell in Chicago? Yeah, that's practical. Another case of architects giving each other awards instead of designing housing that actually serves real people in the real world. I get it, you're an artist. Can someone point me to a Draftsman so I can get something realistic built?


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"This was my grandmother's apple pie recipe. I have never seen another one quite like it. It will always be my favorite, and I hope it becomes one of your favorites as well!"
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pastry for a 9 inch double crust pie
1/2 cup
unsalted butter
3 tablespoons
all-purpose flour
1/2 cup
white sugar
1/2 cup
packed brown sugar
1/4 cup
Granny Smith apples - peeled, cored and sliced
I've made this pie three times now, and it's always made a delicious pie. However, I had an epiphany before making it this last time that greatly improved the result. I've been adding a tbs of cinnamon as was recommended by other reviewers, but made the mistake of adding the cinnamon to the sauce. The pie tasted fine, but the presentation didn't seem as impressive as people raved about. It was dark brown and unappealing. This last time, it occured to me that the cinnamon was making the pie turn dark, so instead of mixing the cinnamon into the sauce, I mixed it into the apples in a bowl before pouring the apples into the crust. The sauce I prepared as stated in the recipe. The resulting pie was picture perfect in its presentation, and cinnamon taste was just as good. So remember, if you want to add cinnamon, add it to the apples, not the sauce.
Such a disappointment. Nowhere in the notes for this recipe does it warn that allowing the sugar mixture to cool would have disastrous affects. I should have known, but went ahead with this recipe anyways. In retrospect I think a traditional pie recipe would have been the way to go. Heed my warning though, don't start your sugar mix until all your prep is done and your pie is ready to be made.
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OK, you've probably read many reviews as to how delicious this pie is (and it really is!). What you've also read is the submitter forgot to list the cinnamon in the recipe or how you should forgo the lattice crust and a few other suggestions.
Let me strongly suggest that you try this recipe unaltered at least once. The point is that this is a small twist on traditional apple pie, so no cinnamon (or nutmeg or cloves or raisins etc.). The lattice crust is essential because it lets you pour the caramel mixture over the top and it drains into the fresh apples underneath while leaving a thin coat on the lattice crust. It really isn't hard to do...there's even a short video of a teenager making a lattice crust pie for a dinner in honor of his mom's visiting friend. Check it out if you need some pointers.
I also saw comments suggesting to use 6 apples instead of 8. Another suggestion I saw several times said to just put the pie in at 350 degrees for 1 hour and it's fine. I would say if you are using an 8" pie dish, sure, reduce it down to 6 apples but for a 9" dish, 8 apples was just right (I could have probably squeezed in one more). I would also strongly suggest following the baking instructions because the higher temperature helps set the bottom of the crust. With fresh fruit pies, there is a chance the crust will not fully bake in the center as the fruit releases liquid. The high temperatures "temper" the crust during the first 15 minutes of baking.
There's no need to keep looking around for an apple pie recipe. This one is delicious. I modified it slightly based on other reviews. Use 6 apples (instead of 8) and you'll have plenty. Instead of pouring the sauce on top of the pie crust, I just mixed it in with the apples. Additionally, I added
1 tsp. cinnamon, 1/2 tsp. nutmeg and 1 tsp. vanilla to apples. To make my life easier, I used the Pilsbury ready-made pie crust and I didn't do the lattice top. Instead, I just made slits in the pie crust, brushed a thin coating of milk over the top and sprinkled with sugar. Don't forget to put a cookie sheet under the pie dish when baking--it will overflow! Lastly, I thought my apples turned out perfectly extending the cooking time at 350 to 50 minutes. Please enjoy this recipe!!!
absolutely divine!!!! This is the recipe I will use from now on. The only mods. I made were to add a tsp of vanilla to the heated mixture, used a variety of different semi-crisp and crisp apples tossed in a tbsp. of lemon juice, and of course, cinnamon and nutmeg. I also added 1/2 tsp salt to the butter, as I think that salt does tend to bring out a little flavor in the apple and I only had unsalted butter. I am not good at lattice tops so I followed the others that just added the mixture to their apples and placed in pan followed by the top crust. Just superb!!! thanks so much for this recipe. It sure is a keeper with the addition of spices....can't have apple pie without the spice. **I am assuming this is a deep-dish pie? I purchased 7 very large apples of different varieties instead of one bag that are usually small in size, and I had to put this in my deep dish pieplate and it was mounded nicely. Keep in mind that apples do lose juice, therefore during baking there will be shrinking so always mound apples up nicely before putting on top crust.
Few notes to those having performance problems with this pie: Use a variety of apples, Granny Smith plus one or two sweeter types of apples (McIntosh is good)if you're finding it to be too tart or too firm. Makes it less tart if that's a problem, plus some apples break down more than G. Smiths. So end product should be not too tart, not too firm, and not too mushy. If your crust is turning out mushy on the bottom, you probably know to brush it with milk or egg first to prevent liquid from seeping into the dough, but another help is to place the pie into a (cool) cast iron skillet before putting in the oven. Putting the pie on the bottom rack (or floor of the oven itself if you have a gas oven) also helps bake the bottom crust. If it's too runny for you, use flour, potato or corn starch, ClearJel or some other thickener. No shame- it's pretty standard apple pie baking procedure! There are too many positive reviews to reject this as a "bad recipe" before doing some troubleshooting!
I've made the pie several times, and every time it's a winner. I've followed this recipe to the letter (the only exception being that 5 or 6 apples is plenty-- never been able to use 8), and it turns out great; I've also made some alterations to suit my tastes and had good results. Try adding cinnamon and a bit of ground clove to taste. Also, try using the "French Pastry Pie Crust" recipe (available on AllRecipes) rather than a standard pie crust recipe. I do think the lattice top is non-negotiable! When you pour the glaze over the pie, have a pastry brush ready to spread the thick syrup evenly over the top of the crust to make sure the top has a uniform look after baking. The final prodcut is a very good tasting and incredibly attractive pie.
If I could give this more stars I would! This is "Classic Apple Pie" taken to a whole new level of deliciousness. My husband and I loved it! After reading the reviews I added 1 tsp. of cinnamon and 1/2 tsp. of nutmeg to the syrup. I also added 1 Tbsp. of vanilla (decrease the water by 1 Tbsp.). I would definitely do a lattice crust again - and I will most certainly make this pie again. I poured most of the syrup over the apples before adding the crust then brushed the rest over top. I used 5 Granny Smith apples and 2 Rome Apples thinly sliced so they cook in one hour. Be sure to use a glass baking dish with a baking sheet underneath to catch any syrup that may run over - you don't want that sticky mess on the bottom of your oven! Thanks Grandma Ople!
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Servings Per Recipe: 8
Amount Per Serving
Calories: 512
Calories from Fat: 240
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According to news reports, Smithfield's new ownership is primarily intended to export pork products to China, which is prohibited from sending its pork and beef to the U.S due to food safety concerns for both humans and companion animals. Increasingly, American consumers are concerned with the conditions in which their food is produced. Smithfield is one of many companies phasing out gestation crates, horrendous metal-barred cages that keep breeding sows in spaces so tight they cannot even turn around. It had pledged to remove these archaic cages from its international operations by 2022, and we are encouraged to hear the company state that it plans to keep this commitment.
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Trade deadline is towards the end of February. Around the 21st or so.
Trade deadline is towards the end of February. Around the 21st or so.
Not to mention, Iggy has been playing lights out as of late. Good to see him starting to come together. I'd hate for him to turn out to be a bust after all the money we gave him.
Good game yesterday guys. TP got off an improbable shot. My preseason thought was that Philly would be one of the top teams left in the East at the end of the year. Just get healthy so I can be right for a change
oh i agree with 100% i villanueva to get redd and get ridd of sam..i have no prb w/ that im just saying dont expect crap from him, he is a waste of talent....like i said 2 u once before if sixers someway get redd they need to sign him to a long contract asap i dont him being here for a yr then leaving...iggy is playing better cause brand is gone that is the truth..brand is like iverson they hold that ball 10-12 seconds each possesion...that is why he is playing well those 2 i dont think mesh well at all
Don't get too excited about this new SG savior that's coming to town. Noone is touching Dalembert's contract and the Sixers have no room to operate under the cap in the offseason. They made their bed with the Iggy and Brand signings. Now someone has to figure out how to make it all work.
Every team could use some kind of post defense. Noone wants to pay 34 mil over the next three years for it. Especially when '10 is the year of Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Nash, Shaq, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen, Nowitzki, Richard Hamilton, Ginobili, etc...
And I wouldn't be so confident that Redd and Gordon are leaving their teams. Redd is going to take a look at that free agent list and think twice about opting out of his deal. Gordon is trapped.....the only team that'll show him the dollars is the Bulls, so he either takes the deal or agrees to a sign and trade. I'm not so sure the Bulls are going to be all that eager to let their best player walk.


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