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28 April 2014
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Third Time is the Charm for Local Teenage Science Wiz
Brevard County's Zachary Loeb Wins Orlando Science Center Competition For Finding Solutions to Prevent, Eliminate Chemical Pollutants in Waterways
ORLANDO, Fla. (April 28, 2014) — Zachary Loeb, a senior from Brevard County's Viera High School, took home the top prize in the Dr. Nelson Ying Science Competition, an annual event hosted by Orlando Science Center. Loeb won a trophy, a $5,000 cash scholarship plus $1,000 awards for his science teacher and his school. It was his third consecutive year competing in the contest and his first time taking the grand prize.
Since 1999, philanthropist, scientist and entrepreneur Dr. Nelson Ying has worked with Orlando Science Center to encourage the outstanding scientific accomplishments of our community's teens. Projects submitted are required to have the ultimate goal of benefiting humanity.
Loeb's winning research was the continuation of a multi-year effort which focuses on contaminants in the water supply, specifically industrial hormones and naturally occurring hormones, that accumulate and cause reproductive problems for alligators, fish and people. He developed a way to remove those hormones from the water supply more affordably and more effectively. In fact, his method is 25 times more effective as a disinfectant than chlorine and much cheaper. His process can do what a water treatment plant does in one step.
Loeb was inspired to pursue this research because he is an avid fisherman and lover of fish, and was motivated after reading an article about black bass becoming feminized due to hormones in the water. If fish are all one sex, they can't reproduce and the species will become extinct. This has implications for humans who eat the fish as it can produce birth defects.
The remaining projects were Orange County's Catherine Li from Lake Highland Preparatory School, who has developed a new method to synthesize nanoparticles especially designed for drug delivery applications, with an ultimate goal of cancer treatment; Seminole County's Nikhil Patel of Oviedo High School, who has identified early indicators of cognitive impairment, for instance, the ability to predict the likelihood a person is going to develop Alzheimer's Disease; Brevard County's Alexandra Gabrielski of Viera High School, who has increased the efficiency of algae as a biofuel by reducing the cost of its production; and Seminole County's Samuel Brenner of Seminole High School, who has designed a software package to analyze fractal and multifractal structures in stellar phenomena.
This year, the 16th Annual Dr. Nelson Ying Science Competition was held April 25 to April 27. The event included the finalists defending their research before the judges' panel and taking exclusive behind-the-scenes tours at key technology sites, including the Siemens Energy wind service training center and the OUC water treatment plant. The awards were distributed during a ceremony on April 27 at Fulton's Crab House at Downtown Disney.
Research projects were solicited from students in high schools or homeschool equivalents in Orange, Seminole, Brevard, Lake, Osceola, Volusia and Sumter Counties. Only five finalists were chosen following a thorough review by a distinguished panel of judges, which included engineers, scientists and educators from NASA, Rollins College and the University of Central Florida.
Orlando Science Center partners with Ying each year to host this competition to celebrate the amazing research being performed by our region's young scientists and inspire young people to become tomorrow's science and technology innovators.
For more information, call 407.514.2000 or visit www.osc.org/yingprize. Download photos of the finalists and the awards ceremony at the following Dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/aze0ss1unjn16gk/Ti2PsToBvU/Dr.%20Ying%20Science%20Competition.

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text: Front Photos (1) Video View larger Arcam rWand Wireless dongle for iPod®, iPhone®, and iPad® Item #: 776RWAND 2 Reviews This item is no longer available. Original Price: $99.99 Shop all Wireless iPod Transmitters Need help? 1.888.955.6000 Email Chat Ask an expert advisor No pressure, no commission — just lots of good advice from our highly trained staff. Overview Reviews Details by Ralph Graves What's the most convenient way to play music from your iPod or iPhone through your Arcam rCube or rDac KW? Why, wirelessly of course! The rWand dongle plugs into your player's dock connector, and lets you stream music wirelessly to your Arcam device. Thanks to Kleer® wireless technology, the rWand delivers a high-quality audio signal with plenty of detail. Although the dongle has a transmission range of up to 30 feet, it uses very little power so you don't have worry about draining your iPod's battery. And you can stream to up to four devices simultaneously. From the review The Arcam rCube -- portable and powerful "In my opinion, the big story about the rCube is the rWand. I could keep my player next to me, and listen through the rCube. All of my iPod's controls worked, of course, including volume, which raised the volume of the rCube. And because I had my player with me, I always knew what track was playing and I could quickly pick out a new one." Ralph, Crutchfield Blog Editor and A/V Writer Product Highlights:for use with Arcam rCube and rDac KWKleer® wireless transmitter for high quality audio signalcompatible with the iPad and most docking iPods, including the 6th generation iPod classic, 6th generation iPod nano, and 4th generation iPod touchcompatible with iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, and iPhone 4transmitter connects to iPod's dock connectoriPod supplies power to donglerange: up to 30 feetwarranty: 60 daysOur 60-day money-back guarantee Arcam rWand Reviews Average Customer Review: 2 reviews Review this product Submit a review and then enter to win a $350 rewards card Filter by rating: 5 Star: (0) 4 Star: (0) 3 Star: (0) 2 Star: (0) 1 Star: (0) Review this product: Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences about this product. Please be sure to focus your comments on the product itself. Read our Review Guidelines for more information. Review title * Email Your email won't be visible. Please use the email address that is associated with your order. Display name (e.g., JohnD) Your review will be signed using the display name and location * Your location (e.g., Charlottesville, VA) * Your rating Click on a star to rate the overall product on a scale of 1-5 1500 characters left * Your review Attach a YouTube Review Crutchfield Video Review Guidelines Only submit videos that you made or are authorized to use. Do not submit videos that contain music, video or visuals that are copyrighted and belong to someone else. Please see our Review Guidelines for more information. Enter the URL of your YouTube™ video review or product demonstration. e.g., "http://www.youtube.com/v/o79TWHh598U" 500 characters left Pros 500 characters left Cons * Agree to Terms By checking this box you agree your review becomes the property of Crutchfield, that you are over 18 years of age, that you own or have owned this product, and that you are located within the United States or its territories. Please see our Review Guidelines for more information. We reserve the right (but are not obligated to) review all submissions and edit or remove any review in any manner which we deem necessary. Your review should be posted within seven days. Great item, except for a few things. Written By Agent86, Los Angeles, CA on Thursday, January 10, 2013 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) I bought the Arcam rWand together with the rDac. The music from my iPod sounded great, but I had a couple of issues with the rWand. First, the connection to the iPod is not all that secure because the rWand doesn't have the little tabs needed to hold it in place. Not a big deal for me. However, what was a big deal is that you cannot change the volume with the rWand. The review on this site states that one of the best features is being able to walk around with your rWand equipped iPod and that you can raise and/or lower the vloume. But it's not true. I called tech support and they confirmed it with the manufacturer that indeed, the unit does NOT adjust the volume. Also the rWand drains the iPod of power very quickly. I was only able to get roughly 3 hours of use from a fully charged iPod classic. Normally I get 7 hours (+) from my Ipod when connected with a cable. For these reasons, I returned the rWand & rDac. Pros: Great sound Cons: Can't adjust the vloume. Quick battery drain of the iPod. Connection isn't very secure. Was this review helpful? Yes No rWand+ Written By MarkF786, Marlton, NJ on Wednesday, April 18, 2012 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) One thing worth mentioning is that this is actually the newer rWand+, not the older rWand as pictured. Before purchasing it, I called up Crutchfield and asked which one it was; they told me they thought it was the old one. I'm glad they were wrong. Crutchfield should update the product info and picture. I've only had it a day but it's worked with my iPhone 4 and iPad 3. Sometimes the connection does momentary drop between it and my rCube but I'm not sure which device is at fault. I'll need to do more testing. Was this review helpful? Yes No Hands-on research What's in the box? | In-depth notes What's in the box? Download owner's manual Wireless iPod transmitter (for rCube & rDac) Product Research Features Overview: The Arcam rWand wireless Apple-compatible transmitter lets you wirelessly stream music from your Apple iPod, iPhone, or iPad to the Arcam rCube (776RCUBEB, sold separately) or rDac-KW (776RDACKW, sold separately. The rWand wireless Apple-compatible transmitter simply plugs into your iPod's, iPhone's, or iPad's dock connector. Once connection is made, you can wirelessly stream music from your iPod, iPhone, or iPad to the Arcam rCube or rDac-KW. Kleer Technology: The Arcam rWand supports proprietary Kleer Technology lossless streaming. This allows wireless audio streaming between your computer and the Arcam rCube or rDac-KW. Kleer lossless technology offers full-bandwidth "CD-quality" music streaming with no drop outs. Note: You can stream to up to four Arcam rCubes and/or wireless rDacs. Operating Range: The Arcam rWand has a wireless range of approximately 33-feet (10m). Note: The battery level on your iPod, iPhone, or iPad may affect operating range. Dock Connector: The rWand uses the Apple 30-pin connector to connect to your Apple iPod, iPhone, or iPad. Audio Playback: The rWand supports wireless audio playback of your iPod, iPhone, or iPad from Arcam's rCube or wireless rDac. Note: The rWand does not support wireless transmission of video, still-images, metadata, or control functions. Apple Compatibility Chart: The Arcam rWand is "Made for iPod/iPhone/iPad" compatible and supports the following iPod/iPhone/iPad model features when paired with the Arcam rCube or wireless rDac (as of February 2011): iPod/iPhone Model Generation Tested Version Media Type Control Type Display Type Charge Audio Video Remote iPod/iPhone Song/Artist Text Track Info dock connector 3rd N/A N N N N N N N clickwheel color 4th N/A N N N N N N N mini 1st N/A N N N N N N N 2nd N/A N N N N N N N video 5th 1.3 Y N N Y N N N classic 80GB 1.1.2 Y N N Y N N N 120GB 2.0.1 Y N N Y N N N 160GB 2.0.4 Y N N Y N N N nano 1st 1.3.1 Y N N Y N N N 2nd 1.1.3 Y N N Y N N N 3rd 1.1.3 Y N N Y N N N 4th 1.0.4 Y N N Y N N N 5th 1.0.2 Y N N Y N N N 6th 1.0 PC Y N N Y N N N touch 1st 2.2.1 Y N N Y N N N 2nd 4.2.1 Y N N Y N Y N 3rd 4.2.1 Y N N Y N N N 4th 4.2.1 Y N N Y N N N iPhone 2G 3.1.2 Y N N Y N N N 3G 3.1.2 Y N N Y N N N 3GS 3.1.2 Y N N Y N N N 4 4.0 Y N N Y N N N iPad All N/A Y N N Y N N N Note: Apple iPod/iPhone software updates may change functionality results. If you download a newer software version, you may need to reset the device and your iPod/iPhone to regain functionality. If this doesn't work, you may need to revert to the older software version or wait until a newer software update is available. Power Requirements: The rWand is small and lightweight with ultra-low power consumption, so as not to drain the battery in your connected Apple device. Our Product Research Team At Crutchfield, you'll get detailed, accurate information that's hard to find elsewhere. That's because we have our own in-house Product Research team. They verify what's in the box, check the owner's manual, and record dimensions, features and specs. We stay on top of new products and technologies to help people make informed choices. Sorry, the Arcam rWand is no longer available. Looking for a similar item? Shop all Wireless iPod Transmitters Or, you can still... Write a review Download the product manual Search the website Go


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text: Front Back Right View larger Rockford Fosgate Prime R1L-1X10 Sealed enclosure with one 10" Prime subwoofer Item #: 575R1L1X10 14 Reviews This item is no longer available. Original Price: $129.99 Shop all Enclosures Need help? 1.888.955.6000 Email Chat Ask an expert advisor No pressure, no commission — just lots of good advice from our highly trained staff. Overview Reviews Details Accessories Articles & Videos by Dominic Devito Rockford Fosgate's Prime loaded sub enclosures let you put big bass in your car without taking a big hit to your bank account. These tough-as-nails sealed boxes feature 5/8"-thick medium-density fiberboard construction and heavy-duty black carpeting for protection. And Rockford Fosgate used their Loudspeaker Enclosure Analysis Program to create an enclosure that'll draw every ounce of bass out of its sub. The R1L-1X10 sealed loaded enclosure comes with one Prime 10" sub and is wired for 4-ohm impedance. The sub handles 150 watts and features a polypropylene cone and butyl rubber surround for accurate bass that just won't quit. Product Highlights:sealed hatchback-style enclosure with one 10" Prime subwoofer5/8" medium density fiberboard construction covered with black carpet4-ohm total impedancepower handling: 50-150 watts RMS (300 watts peak power)frequency response: 28-200 Hzsensitivity: 86 dB16"W x 12-1/16"H x 12-1/4"D1 x 7-1/8"D2warranty: 1 year (woofer only)Our 60-day money-back guarantee Enclosed Subwoofers 101 An enclosed subwoofer is a box with a subwoofer already installed. The advantage to buying an enclosed sub is that the manufacturer made the sub, then designed and built the box as a perfect match, so you'll get the best possible performance. Every enclosed sub has a maximum RMS power handling rating, so pair it with an amp with a similar RMS power rating to get the best performance. Rockford Fosgate Prime R1L-1X10 Reviews Average Customer Review: 14 reviews Review this product Submit a review and then enter to win a $350 rewards card Filter by rating: 5 Star: (0) 4 Star: (0) 3 Star: (0) 2 Star: (0) 1 Star: (0) Review this product: Thanks for taking the time to share your experiences about this product. Please be sure to focus your comments on the product itself. Read our Review Guidelines for more information. Review title * Email Your email won't be visible. Please use the email address that is associated with your order. Display name (e.g., JohnD) Your review will be signed using the display name and location * Your location (e.g., Charlottesville, VA) * Your rating Click on a star to rate the overall product on a scale of 1-5 Rate the following specific attributes Value Sound Quality Ease of Use "Coolness Factor" Build Quality 1500 characters left * Your review Attach a YouTube Review Crutchfield Video Review Guidelines Only submit videos that you made or are authorized to use. Do not submit videos that contain music, video or visuals that are copyrighted and belong to someone else. Please see our Review Guidelines for more information. Enter the URL of your YouTube™ video review or product demonstration. e.g., "http://www.youtube.com/v/o79TWHh598U" 500 characters left Pros 500 characters left Cons * Agree to Terms By checking this box you agree your review becomes the property of Crutchfield, that you are over 18 years of age, that you own or have owned this product, and that you are located within the United States or its territories. Please see our Review Guidelines for more information. We reserve the right (but are not obligated to) review all submissions and edit or remove any review in any manner which we deem necessary. Your review should be posted within seven days. Badass sub! Written By Austin R, Yuma, AZ on Thursday, December 26, 2013 "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Ease of Use Sound Quality Value Very nice sub! Hits really good and loud in my FD Rx7, paired it with the sound ordnance m-1350 mono channel amp and its perfect! I listen to a lot of rap and hiphop and this thing is perfect. Hits hard but not overbearing, awesome! Pros: Very nice quality, not too big, hits really good Cons: None Was this review helpful? Yes No Just what I was expecting Written By S. Kusen, Brookhaven, PA on Wednesday, September 04, 2013 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Ease of Use Sound Quality Value Gives me what I wanted, and that was some extra bass added to my stock 2013 Civic LX. Paired it with the Alpine MRV-M250 mono amp, and mounted the amp right on the box since the amp was so small. Can't complain at all! Pros: As expected! Cons: none Was this review helpful? Yes No Dropping the bass!!! Written By Tyler, San Diego, CA on Wednesday, May 22, 2013 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Ease of Use Sound Quality Value WOW, I paired this sub with an old US Acoustics 4 channel 50 W amp, 2 channels to my rear deck Kenwood 6 x 9s and bridged the 3/4 channel (160 Watts) to the subwoofer in my Nissan Altima. HITS HARD! My gain on the sub is only at just under 1/2! Very efficient sub. Pros: Size, loudness, quality, value. Cons: Must be very careful if you want to mount your amp to the box. It's made of 5/8" MDF so I used 1/2" self tapping screws to maintain the air seal. 2 out of 2 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No Great subwoofer Written By Sw65, Urbanna, VA on Saturday, December 22, 2012 rating "Coolness Factor" rating Build Quality rating Ease of Use rating Sound Quality rating Value I've had this subwoofer for about a year and a half now and I have never been more satisfied. This little guy really makes my chevy colorado boom. I'm powering it with a dual 300 watt 2 channel bridged and it pushes this sub well. Great smooth and tight bass. Makes my mirrors shake and seats vibrate. Hands down, I would recommend this to anyone looking for a great sub that doesn't take up alot of room. And if anything happened to this sub I would turn around I buy another one. Pros: Awesome bass, well built, simple, and doesn't take up alot of room Cons: None 1 out of 1 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No Nice! Written By hdez, Texas on Wednesday, March 14, 2012 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Ease of Use Sound Quality Value I have it installed in the trunk of my Lexus IS300 and it punches nicely, It's the perfect size for my trunk. Make sure you have a good amp, it is 4 ohm sub; I have a 125W Kicker mono and it is maxed out to make it boom. Pros: All Cons: None Was this review helpful? Yes No Rockford Fosgate Prime R1L-1X10 Written By Jae, Orange County, CA on Friday, February 03, 2012 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) "Coolness Factor" Build Quality Ease of Use Sound Quality Value I bought this sub because I wanted to still have room left in my cargo area, but did not want to have a little tiny bazooka in the back. That said, wow does this thing hit hard! It is a killer product for the price. I would recommend this to anyone that wants to bump but doesn't want to set car alarms off. Was this review helpful? Yes No Killer little beast Written By WillS, memphis, tn on Tuesday, August 16, 2011 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) at 16 its hard to buy yourself a repectable system. i had a temporary job at my moms work to get my sound system. this was a year and some change ago. i got this sub and box with the r300-4 amp and some sony xplod door speaks. i was all smiles! for starts, this sub has 150 watts rms and it just blasts it beautifully. going back to what i said about a respectable system, ive gotten several compliments on my bass setup, and a few "that little things making all that noise??". its an incredible sub and at incredible deal. now a year later its making some noises that say "im about to start going out" (it was my fault though im new to systems i think the gain was too high) so im alil sad my baby going out but glad that i can upgrade it at the same time. recently i bought 4 new speakers, for the door i got rockford fosgate power t1 6.5" and quantum audio 4x10. i drive a 1998 s10 ext. cab, fun little truck! box space on this sub is great it fit like a glove in the back of my little truck with the seat all the way back (very nice!!). i highly recommend this sub for any kind of music and any experience level with systems. it plays just about anything and sounds great! for a sealed box it has pretty good low bass notes and tight kicks (sometimes it loosens up if i set my amp for blasting). excellent product, it would last a heck of a lot longer if i hadnt tortured it so much, but hey its my first sub! 4 out of 4 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No Rockford Fosgate Prime R1L-1X10 Written By aawshads, Dallas on Tuesday, July 12, 2011 Got this to go into the back of my bassless Sorento. Paired it with a Sound Ordnance mono amp. This sub sounds great, I listen to all types of music and it sounds good from classical and jazz up to rock and rap. it has PLENTY of kick to it, even as small as the enclosure is. It easily tops my old 12 inch sub, I must admit I was pretty surprised once I got it dialed in that it could hit that hard. I recommend this sub highly! 1 out of 1 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No Very good product Written By Proboscis, Covington, Tn on Monday, March 28, 2011 Good bass does sometimes come in small packages. If you are looking for tight and accurate bass in a small, lightweight box, this product is for you. I replaced a worn out 12 inch Sony xplode (in a ported box) with one of these. I have my sound ordinanace m-2100 amp bridged to 200 watts and pushing it with my gain about halfway and my bass boost on 12db and it rocks hard. Now the bass isn't quite as deep as the 12 and it doesn't resonate as much. It does however hit really hard and takes up very little space in the trunk of my Nissan Sentra. It looks really good back there, too. I would definately recommend this to someone who is just looking to add bass to a system for personal use. Someone whom isn't trying to boom around the block. It's not for competitions (unless you buy three or four). I am considering buying another to make a stronger punch at lower volumes. As small as the box is, it won't be an issue to slide another back there. 2 out of 2 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No Great Little Sub Written By ShaneF, Arkansas on Thursday, August 26, 2010 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) I found this Subwoofer and thought it would add a little bass to my factory system in my 2009 Wrangler 2dr hardtop, without taking up what little space I have behind the rear seat. Let me tell you, It met all my bass and space needs and then some. Every time I get a hair cut and turn up a bass heavy song I can Feel my hair moving! People who ride with me typically think I've got 2 12's back there. I have it facing rearward and shoved over to the passenger side. I'm pushing it with an old amp I"ve had for about 10yrs. It puts out 175w bridged at 4 ohms. It took a little tuning with the ReQ bass enhancer that I'm using, and playing with settings on the amp, but once I got it right it blends great with the factory system (and sounds better than the factory sub that some of these Wranglers come with) If you want to impress people down the block, or you want competition level bass, then you probably won't like it, but for my purposes I love it. Small package, Great price, Great sound, Can't beat it. 4 out of 4 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No Holy Cow... Written By Alex, ft worth texas on Thursday, January 21, 2010 I had purchased a 400W Polk Audio Db1212, along with the kicker 400.1 amp, and man it hit hard. I think I had a bad sub from the manufacture though, because smelt very strange from the get-go, and blew a week later. I then saw a video on youtube of this sub, being pushed from a Rockford Fosgate Prime 150-2, that I HAD from previous amprige of my 6x9.s I upgraded the speaker amp to the eclipse 4ch 60W amp, and thought I was now at a loss because my Fosgate amp had nothing to power. Long and behold that video sold me on this sub. I thought, heck, why not try it. Crutchfield has a great reputation and if i wasn't satisfied I could return it. So I hooked this all up and WOW. Just WOW this thing sounds EXACTALLY the same as my old 400W, for nearly a fourth of what I paid!!! When the trunks open and your showing one, it's no magic show and doesn't seem to hit hard, but once your buddy hops in the car and the doors closed, it'll 'wow' them. My friend asked if I still had my old kicker/sub, and I said no and showed him what I had now. He said it didn't sound that loud because he was standing behind the car, listening to it with the trunk open. I said listen to it from the car, closed the trunk, and he got in. He was blown away, and kept saying "wow dude that's amazing, haha it feels like my hairs moving" On the fosgate, I have the gain at about 3. Yes 3, i'm scared to turn it up any more xD. You'll be amazed at what this little 10" does!!! 4 out of 4 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No High quality sub Written By Anonymous, Brooklyn,NY on Saturday, January 09, 2010 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) This sub was is installed in my corolla. Now I get full sound scene. With proper wiring and good amp you will get a clear, deep bass without distortion. Sub handles 150 W easily. I think RF R1L is a very nice sub for mid size car, worths its money 100%, especially for its price. You would not be disappointed. Was this review helpful? Yes No Surprise Written By sam, Munford, TN on Wednesday, April 15, 2009 Crutchfield Customer Review (What's this?) I was just looking to add some low end sound without spending too much. I shopped around and thought this looked like a good deal. I paired it with an Orion Cobalt CO500.1, also from Crutchfield, and got them both for a good price. But when I hooked them up together, I was really surprised at how well it sounded, plenty of deep bass, punchy, and clear. This 10 inch sub is neck and neck with the 12 inch I have in another vehicle. If you are looking for good bass without spending a fortune, try the combination I have here and I don't think you will be disappointed. 16 out of 16 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No small but fierce! Written By Shawn, Norfolk VA on Tuesday, March 24, 2009 This little sub rocks out!! I have a no name 150W amp with a 1/2farad cap behind this sub, crossed over at 100Hz and it flat out sounds GREAT! Its tight, punchy, has very good low end extension and blends in seamlessly. Even in the trunk of my 07 corolla that is pretty well Isolated from the car this sub really sounds great. Not even broken in yet .. it sounded awesome right out of the box. I HIGHLY recommend this sub to anyone considering it. Its small and lightweight (though very solid) as well so you wont pull muscles on the install or loose much for trunk space. Five stars all the way. 18 out of 19 people found this helpful Was this review helpful? Yes No Hands-on research Features and specs chart | What's in the box? | In-depth notes What's in the box? Download owner's manual Sealed enclosure with loaded 10" woofer Features and Specs General Woofer Size (inches) 10 Woofer Material Polypropylene Enclosure Type Sealed Color Black Pieces in System 1 Width (inches) 16 Height (inches) 12-1/16 Depth (inches) 12-1/4 Second Depth (inches) 7-1/8 Connector Type Spring post Frequency Response 28-200 Hz Power Range (Watts RMS) 50-150 Maximum Wattage 300 Sensitivity 86 dB Impedance 4 ohms Parts Warranty 1 Year (woofer only) Labor Warranty 1 Year (woofer only) Product Research Features Overview: The Rockford Fosgate R1L-1X10 Single Prime 10" 150 watt loaded enclosure features high current binding posts, 5/8" MDF construction, and is finished with high density carpet. The R1L-1X10 produces accurate, loud, and punchy bass. Enclosure: The Rockford Fosgate Prime R1L-1X10 features a sealed enclosure constructed of 5/8" MDF (Medium Density Fiberboard). The enclosure is covered with high density black carpeting. The sealed enclosure features high current compression terminals on the left side of the box (when facing the woofer). The enclosure's terminals will accommodate up to 12 gauge speaker wire and present a 4-ohm load to your amplifier. Woofer: The R1L-1X10 has a single Rockford Fosgate Prime R1S410 woofer. The R1S410 is a 10-inch, 4-ohm single voice coil subwoofer. It features a solid stamped steel frame, quick-release compression terminals, and a Parabolic polypropylene cone. The Prime R1S410 subwoofer is optimized for sealed enclosures. Parabolic Polypropylene Cone Design: The Parabolic Polypropylene cone design results in solid bass reproduction. Aluminum Voice Coils: The Rockford Fosgate Prime subwoofer uses anodized aluminum voice coil formers that provide excellent heat dissipation. The woofer's aluminum voice coils keep the speaker running cool, even under demanding conditions. Unlike traditional plastic substitutions, aluminum acts like a heat-sink to quickly dissipate thermal build-up on the voice coil. This keeps subwoofers cool during high SPL conditions. Stamped Steel Basket: The R1S410 subwoofer features a stamped steel basket for added rigidity. Compression Terminals: The Prime R1S410 features spring post terminals which accommodate up to 12 AWG speaker wire. CEA-2031 Compliant: Power handling on the Rockford Fosgate Prime R1S410 subwoofer conforms to CEA-2031 industry standards. This means the subwoofer has the capacity to handle power under continuous demand, not instantaneous power handling, that over time, can damage voice coils. Manual: No paperwork is included in the box, but the manual is available on Rockford Fosgate's web site. Our Product Research Team At Crutchfield, you'll get detailed, accurate information that's hard to find elsewhere. That's because we have our own in-house Product Research team. They verify what's in the box, check the owner's manual, and record dimensions, features and specs. We stay on top of new products and technologies to help people make informed choices. Sorry, the Rockford Fosgate Prime R1L-1X10 is no longer available. Looking for a similar item? Rockford Fosgate Prime R1-1X10 3 Reviews $129.99 Shop all Enclosures Or, you can still... Write a review Purchase accessories for this product Download the product manual Search the website Go


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Is there a way to safely weld with a pacemaker,my older friend is needing a pacemaker and he is not wanting to get because he will not be able to weld anymore. thanks for any inputs...!!!!!!!
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Used to be alot of EM interference, though now adays with cored weld cables like Seoprene and Excelene, actual em interferance is somewhat reduced to near zero.
So other than a non inverter continous HF on tig buzzing away, welding shouldn't be a problem.
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By all means do the reading first. Google should find what you are looking for, but don't forget to have a good talk with the heart doctor, but he will likely be over protective. Find out from him which pace maker will be used and then contact the manufacturer. They will be the best source of information. You only have one heart and if the pace maker is affected it may kill you. The high frequency from doing TIG work is what you will need to be the most concerned about. Avoiding any chance of getting shocked will be a good idea too.
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A friend of mine had a pacemaker put in this year. I was waiting for her in the recovery room. The advice she received from the person who was the pacemaker specialist was definitely not to be around any welding operations.
Another individual that I personally know also had to give up his welder testing job because of having a pacemaker put in. He was at a church when he first got it put in and was having a difficult time for the next few days because he was too close to the sound system set-up.
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Hi, I am new here. I was wondering if anyone has any easy, workable plans for making a car dolly (a short trailer that holds the front wheels of a hauled car).
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U-haul and a digital camera, and a few quick measurements should get you about where you want to go. I've built several pieces of equipment using this technique. A log splitter, a trailer, and a couple bumpers for trucks. I get the basics from what has been done and is proven then make the design my own.
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The u-haul piece is really wide, when I used one a while back it felt like it was over 102" (I know thats the legal limit). It also has a pivot point which makes it pretty much unbackable with a car on it.
If I built one I would make it relatively narrow so its easy to get around, no pivot point, and I would place the car tires somewhat in front of the dolly axle so there is some kind of tongue weight on the truck, that is a big problem with dollys, no tongue weight so they can get kind of unsafe. I would use a drop torsion axle w/elec brakes because thats simpler to build than a sprung axle.Justin Starkey
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Is the vilification of smokers a good thing or a bad thing?
Especially in the United States, smokers are vilified as second-hand killers. Through smokers actions, people every year die from second hand smoker. People who smoke are stigmatized in the US.
In the United States, this has lead to laws preventing smokers from smoking in public areas. It should also reduce the number of people who smoke in future generations.
In Europe, where there is not a stigma attached to smoking, I probably inhale the equivalent of 1 cigarette a week in the form of second hand smoke. In the US, I would probably catch a faint whiff of cigarette smoke once a month. The thing is, in Germany, the same number of cigarettes are consumed per person as in the United states. The stigmas and the rules about smoking in the US prevent people from smoking in public locations. This is good for the health of non-smokers.
I know people say that this is just another way to hurt poor, working class citizens as that is the demographic that generally smokes. I did not know before reading articles on this subject that that population is the population that smoked.
I also recognize that a lot of smokers try to quit.
So is this stigma associated with smoking a bad thing on a whole? What are your opinions?
Jul 12 2013: Not sure about vilification, but ban on smoking in public areas is, definitely, good.
In Ukraine 15 years ago, it was impossible not to breathe cigarette smoke. On any public transportation stop, there would be ten people around me lighting up. In any street, there would be, at least, 2 smokers in front of me puffing out smoke that I had to breath in. My wife worked as a secretary at the university. During the break, the department office was thick with cigarette smoke. Flower pots were full of cigarette butts and coffee grounds. And, for some reason, many people have an urge to spit when they smoke. So, those bus stops were quite filthy. All of this is quite disgusting. I doubt the situation changed since the last time I was in Ukraine.
I think, the stigma around a habit that leads to cancer and death is very healthy thing. I do not understand how these laws can be viewed as "hurting poor people". If anything, these "poor people" should stop spending $$ on cigarettes and get rid of health issues which cost themselves and the public huge money.
Jul 13 2013: And how does one define "public areas"? There have been attempts in some US municipalities to define "public areas" in such a way as to make private homes into "public areas" because the air in a private home mingles with "public" air. If a private home can be defined as a "public area" for smoking purposes, then it could be later defined as a "public area" (and no longer subject to privacy restrictions on police activity, for example) for all other purposes.
Jul 13 2013: Bryan, I don't care much about definitions. I just don't want to breathe cigarette smoke. That's all.
I lived in apartment complexes where my neighbors smoked on their patio and the stench went up into my living room. I don't mind them smoking in their apartment. I mind the smoke going into my window.
I don't think it is possible to create a definition that would fit all purposes and circumstances. But in every situation, a solution can be found. E.g., in places where houses or apartments are packed close together, a designated smoking area can be created. There are off-leash dog areas in parks, after all. If you live in the wilderness, you can shoot assault rifles on your property. Not if you live in an apartment building downtown.
I don't vilify smokers and I don't mind inhaling smoke occasionally, but not where I cannot avoid it on a regular basis - e.g. my home or work place.
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Jul 10 2013: It is good to condemn, inhibit, and prohibit a harmful deed. It does no good to vilify those who commit harmful deeds. Such people should suffer the consequences of ignoring legal prohibitions, but denigrating or belittling them does no good.
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Jul 11 2013: When condemning a bad deed, it is very hard to not attach a social stigma to the perpetrators.
Historically, I cannot think of a single case where the two did not go hand in hand, but many where they did.
We vilify drunk drivers, murderers, child molesters, etc, but we do not belittle them. (Not that smokers are as bad as those people, they are just the first people that society vilifies that popped into my head). I am not sure if society does belittle smokers. Do we? If do, how?
Jul 11 2013: Absolutely correct Betty. The thrust of your question goes to the efficacy of a deterrent based upon targeting the offender as opposed to the offense. In the case of smoking I think it is the act itself, the offense, which must be addressed. I am not advocating glorifying smoking, or even being accepting it as benign. I am advocating for laws against smoking in public. To me it's like Russian Roulette. If folks want to play that deadly game in private where no innocent people are endangered I don't think we need laws to stop them from that, however we do need laws to prohibit the activity in public. And no I do not think committing murder or rape, etc. in private is OK. In such cases the perpetrator must be aggressively and individually targeted with the full, swift force of the law. I do not think such severe measures are appropriate for smoking. Thank you!Jul 12 2013: Second hand smoking is not more dangerous than air pollution caused by cars and big factories. If we want to live in big cities we have to deal with it.
Sure it's not ok to smoke in caffes, but on the street...?
P.S. I'm a smoker.
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"The cigarettes produced 10 times as much particulate matter as the auto, comparing the first hour after starting the engine with the first hour after lighting the cigarettes."
I looked this up - the statistics are pretty amazing. I feel horrible for smoking - the addiction and mental anxiety vs. stability and will is insane. I wonder how much America makes monetarily per year, with the growing (labor) and selling of these things.
Jul 13 2013: America MAKES NOTHING OFF OF THIS! I don't make a penny. You are vilifying an ENTIRE COUNTRY. You're just another typical bigot.
Jul 13 2013: You shouldn't call people names- its offensive. Why on earth would America produce and distribute tobacco if the country, and the tobacco farmers, did not make money from it?Jul 14 2013: I'd like to know the statistics on how this has affected the number of new smokers. is it working to discourage kids? I am a smoker and a mom. I don't mind going to designated places to smoke. My son will not be a smoker. I'm interested in seeing if this tactic would work against drugs.. legalise but villify? I don't believe it worked against alcohol
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Jul 13 2013: I am an ex smoker thank goodness. After surgery the anaethetist told me just as well you gave up, as this golden staff infection would have killed a smoker. I blame my smoking on making my Rheumatoid disease 100 times worse than it would have been.
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A close family member died at 55 from smoking I tell you it was a dreadful way to watch her die and her son is now in a deep depression, lost his job etc.
Any stigma that saves these people from their own (smoking) stupidity and the second hand smoke for others is a real GOOD thing.
In Australia where harsh NON smoking rules are being rolled out ....it has saved the health care/hospital systems billions.Jul 13 2013: My dad smoked between one to two packs of cigarettes a day. When I was growing up I had asthma, which unknown to me was caused by his smoking. After I moved away for school my asthma disappeared. My dad died a very painful death by cancer, something I dont wish anyone to go through. I dont have asthma anymore, except when being long enough around smokers. Reading the comments I can only agree to the following points:
- Really, the main culprit is the tobacco companies.
- Keeping smokers away from public areas is good, if at all for public health.
- Stigmatizing smoking is also good, there should be awareness that they are endangering their health and the health of the people around them.
Having said that, I do have several friends that smoke, and that I know they know it is not good. Some of them even have siblings who have died of Cancer. I do sympathize with them and wish them well. I really hope that they will not go through a painful illness like Cancer. And I find it good that they all know that it is NOT OK to smoke. If they decide to keep doing it, it is their choice
Jul 13 2013: "Cancer" is just a thing. It is not God, it is not a human being. The word "cancer" NEVER needs to be capitalized. It's just silly and superstitious to constantly capitalize "cancer".
Jul 13 2013: Bryan, The day you get cancer, you will write it as CANCER. God willing, that day will never come.Jul 13 2013: NO! Acknowledging and obviously letting people know this stuff is bad is fine, but so long as it is legal, you can't judge someone. However, this is something that with knowledge comes self-judgment, so vilification is not nice, but acceptance whenever and wherever is not okay too, as we've legally enforced.
I agree with one of the other comments that putting someone or something down so much will only result in a negative response - kind of like relating the, I think it may be Buddhist, idea that you can only overcome fear or hatred with love.
Jul 13 2013: You can always judge someone, but making a judgement on just one fact is plain dumb.
Tolerating it means more people will do it. Tolerating stupid ads linking smoking to status or success is even worse.
There's a difference between villification, as in labeling people as evil because of one thing, and no tolerance to the costs incurred on all of us by the smokers. Applying pressure on smokers to quit is not the same as villifying them.
Smoking is also a dumb thing and should be seen as such. Not judging the fact of smoking is tantamount to accepting it or ignoring the detrimental effects. The only smart smokers are those really trying to quit this addiction.
Unlike some other addictions, this one even has a cost to the nearby environment and people.
Jul 13 2013: "Tolerating it means more people will do it"--odd, that's what I hear hardcore fundamentalist religionists say about homosexuality, too...
Jul 13 2013: Unlike smoking, sexual orientation is immutable and does not harm anyone.
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Jul 11 2013: From a purely pragmatic standpoint, if that's what it takes to get people to stop smoking (or even just help them along), or better yet, not pick it up in the first place, I'd defend harsher means than "vilification".
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I've seen my grandfather die a slow, painful death of gastric cancer caused by his smoking. By the time it was over, he was a shell of a man, on so many painkillers he didn't know where he was or what was going on. Its not a fate I'd wish on anyone, be it from first or second hand smoking.
Aside from obesity and traffic accidents, smoking is the single biggest killer in the western world.
Vilifying it doesn't really do any damage except making people feel a bit bad about themselves (if you really want to call it vilifying--some shunning is not the same as a lynch mob). Ignoring it on the other hand, kills people off.
That's really no choice at all. In fact, I'd say that vilification isn't going far enough.
Jul 13 2013: That's nice, little boy. Not everyone agrees with becoming neonazis.Jul 11 2013: As Edward Long has wisely stated, bad habits are what they are: BAD. And they should be condemned. It is however not helpful to vilify people for anything; even though sometimes some people commit themselves to harmful/destructive habits to the extent that it becomes difficult or almost impossible to remember them for any good thing or to associate them with goodness.
No one is perfect; yet, we should strive to make choices guided by love. As much as people should not be vilified, people are still known and judged by their fruits (acts).
Jul 13 2013: Condemnation is condemnation. Most people are too stupid to condemn a habit without condemning people who have those habits. Therefore, the vast majority of people will be too stupid to condemn smoking without vilifying smokers.
Amy Winn
Jul 9 2013: For anyone out there who thinks that smokers are being vilified, close your eyes and think of an adult woman, of legal age to smoke and who has enough brain cells to decide for herself whether she wants to accept the risks that go along with smoking…..can you see her?..........Is this okay with you? Now look a little lower and get a glimpse of her beautiful abdomen where her twin babies are forming. Is it still okay with you?
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Jul 10 2013: So, I know that smokers are looked on poorly. I recently read articles saying that this was a bad thing. Since I always thought the increasing social stigma attached to smoking was a good thing, I wanted to create a forum to have a conversation about it.
Amy Winn
Jul 10 2013: Betty, So glad you think that way. I was only trying to address the folks that don't. I didn't mention this because I didn't want to make it personal, but my father smoked two packs again until he quit at the age of 55, due to his death. I stand in line at the store sometimes watching kids (I call everybody kids cause I'm 50) ask for cigarettes and get carded. I desperately want to say things like "she's old enough to get cancer." I don't know if you have read some of my other TED comments, but I personally have had the need for chemotherapy, albeit for a non smoking related illness. I sat with the IV in my arm for seven hour stretches while the poison was pumping in, realizing that the next five days would be hell, only to return next week for another run. I wonder when I see a smoker if they could sit in the treatment room for just one day and watch what someone with cancer experiences. (kind of like that scared straight program where risk taking juveniles see first hand where it may land them) It boggles my mind that this treatment was pure hell, and yet there are folks out there that knowingly risk such an experience. You and I both know Betty, that we cannot save people from themselves, but I believe that the social stigma is a good start.
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Jul 11 2013: Amy, I am touched by your story, but try, and I know it's hard, to remove one's self from the equation when talking about youth, who you so understandably want to help.
Know that it is a function of growing up, a function of the brain developing, that effects the risks vs. rewards functions in the brain, that one can clearly see so prevalent in teenagers. It's that same biochemistry that makes teenagers binge on drinking alcohol. The same that level of risk vs reward underdevelopment that makes the brain see no issue with drink and driving. The same biochemistry that makes them want to see the worst horror films.
By stigmatizing a person a a young age, it will inevitably lead to a isolation that will manifest it self in violence and anti-social behavior, as a backlash to the very reason you want to stigmata the person for in the first place, that stigma will not benefit not the individual nor society as a whole.
Scott Bell
Jul 8 2013: neither good nor bad. Those doing the vilification are tightly constrained in their level of Awareness....some are fully asleep in life. In other words, they have completely misperceived themselves and the situation. They are a bit like Kindergartners in life........be kind to them for they know not what they do. Gently awaken them.Jul 15 2013: I would prefer if they just started forcing tobacco companies to make their products leaner (with less tar and such in it). Other than that its their lives they can do it. Although here in Canada smokers are pretty polite about it, so if ya let them know its bothering you often they will abstain or wander off a ways further
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Eddy Kay
Jul 14 2013: I am 14 years old and believe that it is a depended on witch angle you view it from. People who smoke are inhaling a poison and when they do so pass on second hand smoke poisoning those around them there ,because of that I must say though my emotions might tell me to say no, yes the vilification is justified by the evidence as in any police or scientific investigation.Jul 14 2013: Vilification is probably not good public policy, but banning smoking in public places is. The public disapproval and discouragement of smoking will follow. Smoking adds tremendously to health costs and insurance rates, both for cancer and "chronic obstructive pulmonary disease" (such as emphysema) so I do think that the use of public funds to help reduce this unfortunate addiction, for example through counseling or withdrawal programs, is money well spent.Jul 13 2013: So, Arkady, you hate jerks. I can't argue against that.Jul 13 2013: Vilification of any minority group is always a good thing. It is how the majority maintains its solidarity, after all, and whatever enforces blind conformity is always a good thing!
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Am I in error?Jul 13 2013: While I am not a smoker, my father was, and my mother still smokes. I do not have a problem with places saying they are non-smoking, but, they have taken this thing too far. I own a downtown building that the State, in their infinite wisdom, have decided for me, that it will be non-smoking. This is really a violation of my ownership rights. I would have complied with putting up a sign that warned others that this is a smoking establishment, but the state has decided for me. They have decided this because they say it will keep insurance costs down for all of us, poppycock. My insurance costs have only went up and will continue to do so. This is just another example of who is really in control. Welcome to the new world order.Jul 13 2013: I would prefer a "stick it to the man" approach to the situation as opposed to vilifying smokers. Tobacco companies know that they manufacture a highly addictive device which contains carcinogens. This is the reason why drug companies target young people because they know that if they get you early, the probably have you hooked for life. Nicotine addiction is a very profitable affliction. From a marketing standpoint it isn't so evil, however, that fact doesn't justify it.
Jul 13 2013: Won't happen. Rich people do not suffer. The majority of smokers, on the other hand, are on the opposite end of the wealth continuum. Thus, it is safe to hate, vilify, and otherwise inflict harm upon ordinary smokers. Cowards and bullies never pick on the strong (tobacco companies). Instead, cowards and bullies pick on the weak (individual smokers). Anyway, if tobacco is to vile, then just put in on the federal schedule. It doesn't even need an act of Congress, just an administrative decision.
However, this decision has never been made or even proposed. Marijuana is classified as being as dangerous as PCP, but tobacco has no such classification.Jul 12 2013: Betty, I tried smoking and beer as a kid ... peer pressure. I got dizzy and had to go to the toilet. Guess I was luck the experiment went that direction.
Have you ever met anyone who was not on one side or the other? As a rule I do not go to places where a lot of smoking takes place ... bars etc .... that does not mean that I do not still get the effects. Ride in a smokers car, set next to a smoker in a theater, etc .... the odor is in their hair, cloths, breath, etc ...
I do not hate them or vilify them ... I simply do not prefer the aroma that comes with them.
It was suggested that it is the lower class who smoke .... I know doctors who are both fat and smokers ... talk about people who should know better. Guess my question is how did the lower class get the label. Isn't smoking a society problem not just limited to the "lower class". Weed was also mentioned ... isn't that smoking? How about a second hand high? LOL Funny how weed users state they are non-smokers.
A wide variety of comments on this subject. I wish you well. Bob.
Jul 13 2013: It's not the "lower class" that tends to smoke, it's the lower income. For some plutophiles, "class" equals "income", in that they believe "poor people are innately inferior in all ways". I don't. However, the negative correlation between smoking and income in the USA is well established.
Smoking is, on a marginal level, quite cheap. It has larger long-term costs, but it has also been well established that, when income is below a certain threshold, it actually can be a viable strategy to ignore long-term costs and focus on marginal costs, due to the great unliklihoood of ever being able to retain enough saved resources to deal with any long-term costs in the first place.Jul 12 2013: The Villification of a person is an absolutely pointless and cruel way to deal with any kind of situation. It will not stop people from doing whatever it is, and in many cases will make a situation even worse.Jul 11 2013: I hate cigarettes. I've seen too many people die from them. I've seen too much avoidable human suffering because of them. Nicotine is one of the most addictive drugs known. But longer than 50 years ago, smoking was just fine. Why? Because for most people, something else would kill you before cancer, or lung disease, or heart disease or any of the rest of it would. People used to get old & die at about age 60 or so. Life was too short for the cigarettes to kill.
Now cigarettes can guarantee you a long, lingering death from pulmonary disease or heart disease. That will consume so much of our resources over time that our children will regret it. They might regret us ever having lived or regret that we taught them or let them smoke tobacco.
I hate cigarettes. They are evil. I guess If I lived in a tobacco state where tobacco is grown, I'd feel differently. But not so much for me these days. Cigarettes kill.Jul 10 2013: With all these tobacco talks churning up I smoke more frequently now. Thanks Ted! :D
Jul 14 2013: Typical smoker - Blame it on TED, or Fred or Joe, or anyone else but yourself!!!!Jul 10 2013: Ang, "There is absolutely no reason in the world why tobacco sales should still be legal," oh yes there is. It is a source of funds for every government on the planet. In some places the majority of the money spent on cigarettes actually goes to the government. With prevailing attitudes about letting adults smoke if they so chose, it is easy for governments to add taxes high enough to bring in substantial tax revenue, but not high enough to actually stop the sale in the first place.
Politics wins out over science. Again.
Jul 10 2013: Is that really a reason or an illogically justified excuse to continue doing something they and everybody else on the planet knows is wrong?
Jul 11 2013: I guess it may be a question of good. Is the "good" that would occur due legalizing tobacco be more or less than the "good" that the government programs tobacco tax revenue pays for?Jul 11 2013: i think these government are in taking in account that all these substantial tax revenue are spending it to fix the damages that caused by increasing the number of smokers.
they lost there time !Jul 12 2013: Re: "There is absolutely no reason in the world why tobacco sales should still be legal,"
Prohibiting anything that people do regardless including alcohol, tobacco, firearms, drugs, abortions, and prostitution only benefits criminals and does not seem to improve public health, morals, or safety. There are many reasons why NOT to make these things illegal.Jul 10 2013: Just make it illegal already. I'm not the type of person to knowingly break the law so I would no longer smoke and it would be the easiest way to quit ever. There is absolutely no reason in the world why tobacco sales should still be legal, no health benefits and only maliciously negative effects on health and we're not just talking some minor sore throat every now again we're talking deadly. The tobacco company is like a food processing company that adds razor blades to canned goods, it's deadly and they know it but somehow it's still ok to sell tobacco products. I'm a smoker and I know that it might seem a little weird for me to go off about it but I know that I personnally would drop the bad habit if there was nowhere aside from some seedy dealer on a street corner to get smokes.
Jul 11 2013: UCSF Medical center says "Nicotine has been proven to be as addictive as cocaine and heroin and may even be more addictive."
So by making people go cold turkey, by "making it illegal already", you maybe forcing people to go to some "seedy dealer".
Only a sustained, continuous government and medical intervention program, that actually aids people in giving up while not costing them, while not stigmatizing them, or making smoking illegal, will eradicate tobacco from the culture.Jul 9 2013: It's not a bad thing, it's a stupid thing. If we really want to help people give up smoking, vilification is not the way to go.
UCSF Medical center says "Nicotine has been proven to be as addictive as cocaine and heroin and may even be more addictive. Many people who smoke develop nicotine dependence, which makes quitting all the harder, especially when they try to stop smoking on their own. In fact, 70 percent of smokers report wanting to quit"
We should encourage people to get help, rather like we do with drugs and alcohol. Vilification never causes an addict of any kind to get help. Ever.
Jul 10 2013: Tify, You are so right in that the people that are already addicted to nicotine need a positive approach in their efforts too quit. However, the vilification may help our youth who have not yet begun to smoke and may make the decision to stay that way because of the vilification that goes along with it. True that vilification may not necessarily be very best motivator for the addict, but for our children, I say vilify!!!!
Jul 11 2013: I'm sorry Amy, I have to disagree, specifically since that you mentioned youth.
For the understanding and psychology of youth had to be clearly in one's mind before one vilifies any entity. To know that the rights of manhood even though different from the African rituals still exists today, even in the western world.
The angst of youth, the rebellion, the lack of respect that is shown to the father, all allow youth to become men. If one vilifies, one is only giving fuel to the fire, to make a route open to countermand the authority of parenthood, and so encourage the very act of smoking, as it then becomes what is needed for those very rights of passage.
Jul 11 2013: Tify, I was responding to your comments about the addiction aspect of smoking. I realize that once you need the nicotine, words alone or dirty looks from people and not what you need. But I was also addressing the non smokers who have not yet become addicted. Of course there are many rebellious kids out there, but by the time they are old enough to smoke, the whole teen/parent battles should be calming down. There will always be the rebel, but even rebels have brain cells and that might give the vilification aspect a glimpse of hope. Any hope is better than none. And I also believe that there are lots of kids out there that don't have the power struggles with their parent (my son and I never did). So, even if vilification only affects those who can relate to their kids in a positive and productive way, (even if it is only 2%) I feel that it's worth it.Jul 11 2013: Amy you would never had that struggle with you son, because your it's mother. Please note my other comment, above. As for "by the time", in fact, it can, and does because of that maturity of the brain last up to and including the 20's, so people are still a lot more susceptible than you think, as well struggles with authority/parents and the risk reward scenario of choices made.
Trust me, I understand why you feel vilification would work, and can see why you state it. But the physiological and psychological scientific evidence shows a completely different story.
That's why I have mentioned the effects of nicotine from UCSF. As for the people that are non smokers, again vilification has been shown, because of the target audience age, not to work.
There are many other routes a parent can go. Contacting UCSF and Stanford are probably the best routes if your concerned, as they have all the facts, biochemistry papers, as well as psychological effectors that make people start. Most in lay language.
I'd urge you, if your kids or kids you know are at a susceptible age to contact them. With the addictive power of nicotine - gut feelings are honestly and respectfully - not the way to go.
Jul 11 2013: Tify, I remember a time long ago when my mother babysat my son while I had a girls night out. I have a few too many, and when my mother dropped of my son, she yelled at me for drinking and called me a "snake" . I was vilified for doing something that was legal and I was of age to do so. My son saw this and to this day I have never seen him drunk. Perhaps seeing the vilification of his own mother lead him to not want to be a snake. This was done without contacting anyone at Stanford. In addition he saw me criticize my own father for smoking in front of him, thereby vilifying my father. To this date, he has never smoked a cigarette. So, while all of your psychological scientific evidence leads you to your belief. I am a mother, and a daughter and a sister, and I simply have my opinion as previously stated. So on this point we will simply have to agree to disagree.Jul 9 2013: It's a bad thing.
Granted I don't want it in my lungs but I won't make you out to be the devil for enjoying your cigarette.
Leave people to their vices.
Jul 10 2013: Drunk drinking is a vice? It endangers peoples lives.
How is smoking around people different?
(playing devils advocate)Jul 12 2013: Hi Matthew
I think you have struck the nail on the head. I would not pay any attention to a smoker doing his thing in his own environment. What causes whatever vilification takes place is the fact that smokers often indicate their belief that they have the right to smoke where they want, if they can get away with it.
My #1 pet peeve is in the elevator. The no smoking sign might as well have an ash tray attached.
My #2 pet peeve is they throw the cigarette down where ever they want, still smoking. This includes on carpeting, and in the bus or taxi. I don't believe that they are aware that they are smoking. It is just a natural part of their life. It is this type of behavior that encourages vilification of smokers.Jul 8 2013: It the collective thought process. Similar to belief in government being good and the private sector being evil. The belief in being non racist to the extent of not saying anything as it could be misconstrued. It is the substance of the water we swim in.Jul 8 2013: just to comment on how sweet the eu is, here is the hungarian situation:
* no smoking in any workplaces
* no smoking in any public buildings, including hospitals, theaters, bars, restaurants, shopping malls, dance clubs, etc.
* no smoking on any mass transit
* no smoking in bus stations, tram stations
* you can't sell tobacco in any form. only dedicated tobacco shops can, licence granted by the government
* you can not advertise tobacco anywhere, anyhow. not even in said tobacco shops
* usual obligatory scare away captions and pictures on the boxes
* it is forbidden to call your product "light" or anything suggesting it is less harmful
* tobacco products are taxed at 80%. i mean 20% goes to the manufacturer/retailer and 80% to the government.
* e-cigarette liquid is banned with the loophole that you can buy for yourself from abroad
still feeling vilified there?
Jul 13 2013: Hungarians show sense. Australia becoming same as you. Cigarettes only sold in brown paper packs no fancy Marlborough Man on the front or colour writing, just brown paper and black ink. Uncool.
Our Government is putting the price of smokes up all the time...must be about $100 for a carton now which would be l/4 of a pension. The kinda money poor people/pensioners should not be spending this way !
Government now banning smoking in Alfresco dining areas too.
Yes about time a family member is in a wheelchair which cannot climb the step/s to go inside away from smokers so soon she will be able to partake of Alfresco dining.Jul 8 2013: whatever it is, it's definitely hypocritical. regardless of the status of other drugs like cannabis and alcohol, the concept of "second-hand smoke" is ludicrous. considering exhaust fumes, pollution and all the chemicals in the food we eat, it's obvious that smokers get picked on.
i don't believe that "second-hand smoke" is a real thing, and if it is, i'm not sure why all the other contaminants people breathe on a daily basis are ignored.
ultimately, i find it something of a joke. the way i see it, if a person doesn't like smoky environments, they should exercise their right to leave.
allow the owners of the premises to make the call on smoking or non-smoking and leave it at that. all the non-smokers can stay at home zipped up in their oxygen tents avoiding life in an attempt not to die..
Jul 9 2013: The concept of second hand smoke is very real. Just because there are many things in life that are dangerous does not mean we should not attempt to fix any of them!
I have asthma, and about 20% of the population have some form of lung disease. I can tell you that even a SMALL amount of cigarette smoke could send me into a life threatening attack.
To try and argue against smoking bans by discussing something else is avoiding the issue. The issue is not whether there is other pollution, and not even what is worse, it's about the fact that second hand smoke kills thousands of people every year.
You say I can leave.... it's ill advised to blame the victim. And for the record- as I sit in my apartment smoke drifts in from my neighbors. When I leave the house I can get about 20 feet before I'm exposed to second hand smoke. It would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for me to get to work, appointments etc in my city without breathing in second hand smoke.
There is NO safe level of SHS. Ask any child with asthma or cystic fibrosis if it's fair that they have to chose between not leaving the house or ending up either in the hospital or ill for days.
Jul 9 2013: children with asthma or cystic fibrosis should not be in bars
Jul 10 2013: What about walking on the streets? You say that the people who do not smoke should stay in their houses with oxygen tanks so as not to encounter second hand smoke.
Why should the health conscious people who do nothing wrong have negative repercussions for other peoples vices?Jul 10 2013: I was being humourous to make my point. It's a little facetious, I know, but it also highlights the utmost seriousness with which some people approach life, in particular anti-smoking crusaders.
Be sure to hold your breath as each car drives past while you are out walking the "smoke-free" streets. Also, we should destroy all pollen-making plants to better cater for people with breathing-related disorders. Why should an asthmatic have to put up with irritants from the flowers I send my mum on her birthday?
Health conscious people don't have to put up with the negative effects of other peoples' choices. As I said in a previous post, they can exercise the right to move themselves to a smoke-free environment.
I mean, it's not like it has been legislated that a non-smoker must stay in a smoky environment. That would be like encroaching on someone's rights..
Jul 10 2013: Did you actually read my post?
While sitting in my apartment SHS drifts in through windows and doors. I can not use my balcony.
When I leave the house it is IMPOSSIBLE for me to go more than 20 feet without being exposed to SHS. Often there are people smoking in fornt of doors. How exactly do you expect me to leave my building or go into another building without being exposed? If I walk the bus stop.... more smokers there. Smoke TRAVELS up to 9 metres from the source. So it is literally IMPOSSIBLE to avoid it. Hence, smokers are FORCING smoke on people who it hurts.
FYI: after smoking bans were passed in numerous cities and countries hospitalizations for children with asthma/CF declined by double digits. Hospitalizations for heart conditions dropped by over 30%!
Like I said, you cant argue for something by trying to claim if one can't avoid ALL triggers they shouldn't avoid any. That's a ridiculous argument. Plus- car fumes, plants etc. didn't change when those bans were in place and hospitalizations nose dived. I can NOT buy flowers and as someone with asthma I can tell you that they ONLY time car exhaust has ever caused me harm was when I was living in Mexico, where there are no regulations andI was biking on the road next to them. Never had a problem in US or Canada. Look at the research.... cigarettes produce multiple times the dangerous chemicals then exhaust.Jul 10 2013: I sure did. We are talking past each other.
Keep selecting statistics if it helps you come to terms with this tough old world.
Life kills you when you live it and it does even if you don't.
Have a smoke-free day.
Jul 10 2013: You're right...I guess the thousands of studies by thousands of researches from hundreds of countries are all false?
There is no point arguing with someone who refuses to acknowledge what over 80% of the population already knowsJul 10 2013: we are "arguing" different points, Jennifer.
smoking is banned in many places in many countries so I'm not sure what more anti-smoking crusaders want. i found it ironic that, in NZ, when they banned smoking in pubs, all the smokers were forced out on to the street to puff in the faces of families walking past. wouldn't it be sensible to keep smokers in bars where children and families do not usually go?
I'm not convinced that what is coming through your balcony window is only second hand smoke so that particular argument sounds more emotive than factual.
Please be wary of statistics. They are not absolute truths coming from the altruistic towers of humanity. Often they are skewed for a purpose and more often, they are inaccurate, simplistic, invalid and derived.


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Round 13 - Italy 7-9 September 2012
Venue: Monza
Circuit Length: 5.793 Km
Laps: 53
Lap Record: 1:21.046 = 257.320 km/h; R. Barrichello (Ferrari) 2004
2012 Results
Pole Position: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren Mercedes), 1:24.010 = 248.241 km/h
1st: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren Mercedes), 1:19.41.221 (race average speed 230.943 km/h)
2nd: Sergio Perez (Sauber Ferrari), 4.356s behind
3rd: Fernando Alonso (Ferrari), 20.594 behind
Fastest Lap: Nico Rosberg (Mercedes); 1:27.239 = 239.053 km/h on lap 53
'A Perfect Sunday' - For Some: Monza In 10 Quick Bites
What a difference a week makes! Seven days after their Belgian no-scores, Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso were two of the heroes of the Italian Grand Prix. Hamilton won for McLaren Mercedes to go second in the Championship chase while Alonso's Ferrari flew from 10th on the grid to the podium and extended his overall lead once more. Meanwhile Red Bull were the zeroes of the hour...
Hamilton, embroiled in controversy and confusion after his Turn 1 exit at Spa, produced the best possible response: his third win of the season, the fifth for McLaren this year and their 180th overall. It should have been a 1-2 for the British team but Jenson Button, who joined Hamilton on a record-equalling 61st all-McLaren front row, stopped with a fuel pressure problem when comfortably second. McLaren have won the last three Grands Prix, halved Red Bull's lead in the Constructors' Championship and are now many people's favourites for both titles.
Hamilton, whose previous 19 victories had not included Monza, wore an Italian flag on his helmet for the occasion and it worked. "Winning at Monza is one of the greatest experiences of my Formula 1 career," said the 2008 World Champion. "I absolutely love this place: I've been coming to Italy to race since I was 13 years old and I just love the culture, the food and the people. Since I started in Formula 1, Monza has been one of the races I always wanted to win at – it's such an incredible, historic circuit and all the great racing drivers have won here. To finally put my name on that list makes me feel extremely proud, but also very humble."
Alonso, hamstrung by a rear roll-bar problem in Q3, made light work of his grid handicap, passed cars with gay abandon until he caught ex-Ferrari man Michael Schumacher's Mercedes, eventually dispensed with the German and then watched events play into his hands. First Sebastian Vettel was given a drive-through penalty for forcing the #5 Ferrari off-track at Turn 3, then Button stopped; with five laps to run Vettel also retired with renewed alternator failure and two laps from the end it was Mark Webber's turn to spin and retire in the sister Red Bull.
"Absolutely perfect Sunday for us," beamed Alonso. "Obviously the win was out of reach after the problem yesterday. Starting tenth is not easy to think about victory, so if you cannot win, podium is next target. In all the simulations and all the predictions we had, it was never a podium finish, so basically it's much better than expected. Jenson was out of the race and the two Red Bulls… so perfect Sunday maybe." Ferrari is also a player in the constructors' stakes after a strong weekend from Felipe Massa, qualifying third and finishing a dutiful fourth.
Unlucky 13th race of the year for Red Bull: Webber, who was pushing hard to keep Nico Rosberg's Mercedes at bay, spun on lap 51 and flat-spotted his way into retirement. He has slipped from second to fifth in the title chase. "The rear tyres were completely finished, so I dropped it out of the Ascari chicane; I managed to keep it off the wall, but then the tyres were so heavily flat-spotted, I was worried about damaging the car. We do 330 km/h round here, I couldn't see the track, so we decided to retire," Webber explained. Hindsight is always 20-20, but since announcing his re-signing for Red Bull the Australian has had a run of 8th-8th-6th-DNF, started in the top 10 just once and never been a major player in any of those four races. This was Red Bull's first double DNF since Korea 2010.
The other star of the day was Mexican Sergio Perez, whose Ferrari-powered Sauber rocketed from 12th on the grid to second place at the finish with a perfect two-stop strategy – the 22-year-old's third podium of the year. "This was a very enjoyable race for me. It was one of those where you have the pace and are the one to attack. I am very happy for the team which is working very hard. It is a really good team, I am proud of it," said Perez. With Kamui Kobayashi in the top 10 again, Sauber had both cars scoring points for the fourth time this season and are comfortably sixth with Mercedes in their sights.
Kimi Raikkonen's Lotus was one of only two Renault-powered cars in the top 10 but the Finn complained of a lack of straight-line speed, the handicap that affected the French-engined runners at Spa the previous week. Even so, fifth was good enough to promote the 2007 World Champion to third overall. Lotus slipped back in the Constructors' stakes with stand-in Jérôme d'Ambrosio unable to score points in Romain Grosjean's absence.
There was a frustrating finish to Dan Ricciardo's race. The West Australian was 10th right up to the final corner of the final lap but finished out of the points in 12th behind Williams pair Bruno Senna and Pastor Maldonado. "It's been so hard to score points this year and that means it is incredibly disappointing not to get one today," Ricciardo lamented. "I was tenth until the last corner on the very last lap. At that point, I accelerated to exit Parabolica and nothing happened. At the moment, I don't know the cause, but to miss out on a point by a few hundred metres is bitterly disappointing." Doubly so for the team as Jean-Eric Vergne's brake failure spun the Frenchman into early retirement.
Monza rounds off the European season. With Singapore next and seven races to go, the momentum is clearly with McLaren – three straight poles, three straight race wins – in a way no other team has enjoyed this season. In the last four rounds they have amassed 101 points; in that time Red Bull have managed 56 and Ferrari 74. Alonso leads by 37, Red Bull by 29: Fernando carried the luck in Ferrari's home race, but who would bet against McLaren closing those gaps?