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Addressing & Sending Wedding Invitations
Preparing wedding invitations for mailing
Opening a wedding invitation is unlike opening any other piece of mail. Much care goes into addressing both the inner and outer envelopes. Several enclosures usually accompany the invitation itself, and there is a thoughtful order to how they are placed inside the outer envelope.
How to Address the Envelopes
The inner envelope
The inner envelope bears the title and last names of the specific people invited. This allows the host to be very clear about who is invited, and by omission, who is not invited.
For example, the inner envelope for Mr. and Mrs. James Darling and the two Darling children, Sarah and Johnathan, would be written:
Mr. and Mrs. Darling
Sarah Darling
James Darling
It's also fine to write familiar names for close family: Aunt Martha and Uncle Bill.
The outer envelope
The outer envelope is addressed conventionally using titles, first, (middle), and last names. While titles are abbreviated (Mr., Mrs., Ms., Dr.) all other words such as "Street," or "Boulevard" are spelled out. State names may be written in full or use the two-letter postal code abbreviation. Middle initials aren't used, so either write out the middle name or omit it. Generally, an invitation to parents and children is addressed to the parents:
Mr. and Mrs. James Arthur Darling
Listed here are some common forms of address. For a complete guide, click here.
To a married couple
Invitations are always addressed to both members of a married couple, even though the bride may know only one or knows that only one will attend.
To an unmarried couple living together
Invitations to an established couple who are unmarried but live at the same address are addressed to "Ms. Nancy Fellows and Mr. Scott Dunn," on one line.
To a married woman doctor or two married doctors
If the woman uses her husband's name socially, the address is "Dr. Barbara and Mr. James Werner." If she uses her maiden name both professionally and socially, it is "Dr. Barbara Hanson and Mr. James Werner." If the husband is also a doctor, the address is either "The Drs. Werner" or "Drs. Barbara and Robert Werner."
How to add "and Guest"
Since it's awkward and impersonal to address the outer envelope as "Mr. James Smith and Guest," the two envelope system works well. Address the outer envelope to "Mr. James Smith" and the inner envelope to "Mr. James Smith and Guest." If you're only using one envelope, include a short note with your invitation: "Dear James, You're welcome to bring a guest to the wedding. Please let me know. Best, Laura." If there's time and James supplies the information, you can send his guest an invitation, too.
How to Stuff the Envelopes
- When two envelopes are used, insert the invitation (folded edge first for a folded invitation, left edge for a single card invitation), so that you see the printed side of the invitation when the envelope flap is opened.
- When there are enclosures--reply card and envelope, map, printed directions--they are placed on top of the invitation, printed sides up, in size order with the smallest on top. Again, when the flap is opened, the printed side should be visible. If the invitation is folded, insertions are stacked in size order - smallest on top - but within the fold.
- The inner envelope is then placed unsealed in the outer envelope, so when the outer envelope flap is lifted, the name(s) of the guest(s) is visible.
Check Postage
Before you buy stamps, take an assembled invitation to the post office and have it weighed. It's likely that the inserts, or even an unusually shaped envelope, will call for extra postage.
Remember that maps and other inserts sent to out-of-town guests will make those invitations heavier than ones sent to local guests and may require a postage adjustment. In that case, be sure to assemble two sets and have both weighed.
Lastly, ask at your post office if it is possible to have your envelopes hand-stamped. This produces a different postmark (often considered more attractive) than if your invitations were run through an automatic sorter.
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The board can now say messages sent to it via a serial device - step 12 covers the changes I made!
This is part build-log, part how to. I hope I give you enough info to inspire you to make something similar.
Here is a video of the completed board with the lid off:
And here is a video of the completed box I had ready for Halloween 2007:
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This new clip shows the serial communications link working:
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Some wood to suit your design. I messed up when I built mine, and used some poorly finished pine and my not so great woodworking lead to nasty corner joints, which left me needing to veneer the wood with a thin plywood... so keep this in mind, and perhaps use some nice ply to start with, and skip needing to do the annoying veneer finish. Alternatively, you could use the oldest and most worn timber, for that 'ye olde' antique look. Heck, be creative and make it your project!
Something to drive the stepper motor (I'll provide a sample circuit and the microcontroller code) but if you already have something else, or know what you are doing, then knock yourself out, you'll figure it out from the steps I have outlined....
A microswitch for the home position sensor (I got mine out of an old printer)
A power supply (12v 400ma plugpack or 12v worth of batteries if you want it cordless)
Some hookup wire
5 minute epoxy
Items I used but you can substitute with something similar: piano wire, brass tubing, a strong magnet from a broken HDD, brass shim, copper shim, brass split pins, brass box corners, rubber o-rings, scrap aluminium angle stock, screws, small piece of self adhesive felt, hotglue.
Basic tools: Pliers, cutters, soldering iron
How much would it cost me for one that connects to a PC and with all the enhancements you completed so far Estimate shipping to Michigan USA
The pauses, the path the marker makes... very effective in showing that there's a ghost going to extraordinary effort to make that damn thing move! Must be super-freaky to experience!
One piece of 'authenticity' your device has built in is the inability to reach certain letters. Kinda like there's a ghost that can't really spell. Maybe you could put in a 'frustration' loop when it's supposed to hit an 'l' or 'm' or whatever? Something like an agitated motion going to the pentagram, then back to the regular spelling out of the rest of the letters?
Great work!
Blue skies
I like the way it is now, vaguely shuffling round--definitely enough to freak out a few idiots!
I wanted to make a transportable prop though, so making it into a desk would have not been very easy to to. For fun, a version could be made with much more powerful magnets and the base unit attached under any desk, but again I had to make do with the magnets I had at hand (broken chips of HDD magnets).
My plan was to make it look like a seperate piece of victorian furniture, but did make it deeper (chunkier) than it needed to be - it could easily be 1/2 the height ot less and still fit everything in.
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then use a regular board. I would love to see that.
The message capability will be of more use for halloween games (spelling out clues) or a haunted house type of display/feature.
3 years on and I still am pretty happy with the project!
I will have a play with the software soon. For those interested, you can chat with alice here: http://www.pandorabots.com/pandora/talk?botid=f5d922d97e345aa1

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I may be able to get my hands on a oaken barrel that I'd love to age a Scottish ale in. What can I do to sanitize it adequately and minimize oxygen exposure?
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More beer has a great guide on taking care of oak barrels which covers cleaning, sanitizing, etc.
The overview is: keep it filled so that it doesn't dry out and use a sulfur-dioxide mixture to sanitize. The oak will soak up some of the beer over time, so brew a little extra and keep it on hand to refill as the level goes down.
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Other side of climate change debate?
I don't want to start an argument over which side is right. I am trying to educate myself with views from both sides of the issue before I form my opinion. I haven't formed one yet on man made climate change, but I can't find any TED talks that are from the camp that say man made CO2 is not the cause of climate change... Does anyone know of one I could watch?
Kind Regards,
gale kooser
Feb 27 2013: Those fossil fuels come from dead animal and plants of long ago-as you might already know. We burn those fuel and deposit more CO2 into the air then nature can handle.
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Photo plankton give us most of our oxygen, not trees & plants, and we our killing off their life cycle by what we are doing to the air & oceans of the world.
Everything is interconnected-everything.
Feb 28 2013: Agreed, everything is indeed connected, like a sympathetic nervous system planet wide. And what we are doing to the oceans is pretty darned ugly and shameful. I'd like to run with your observation of everything being interconnected a bit: It's almost as if all the cells of your body gained individual awareness and started being motivated by short term self interest. What a mess that would make. Makes me think that perhaps there are cosmic/consciousness related questions that need answering as well as the scientific ones if we are to see our way clear of this mess. Perhaps with the global implementation of information technology we are.... kind of like the sympathetic nervous system that keeps all the cells coordinated through the flow of information so that we reap the rewards of synergy and can operate as a single system in ITS best interest as well as our own... I don't know,it's late, my brain is slipping out of gear I think. Thanks for the reply. (and the reminder) :)
Kind Regards,
Daryl Roche
Feb 27 2013: Bjorn Lomborg has presented an alternative to the two sides of the debate in a rational and enlightening way. Worth the time to watch and scrutinize. Also worth a look at his documentary "Cool It".
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What we don't "know" in the context of our global climate is far greater than what we do know…for instance, we don't know to what extent CO2 is a factor in atmospheric warming. Furthermore the current "changes" we perceive are in terms of a very short time frame relative to geological time. Ice core data also seems to indicate a lag in the relationship between a rise in CO2 levels and actual temperature rise. This alone is further indication we know too little about what drives climate change and specifically what drives abrupt change of the kind the alarmists seem intent on scaring us with.
Feb 27 2013: Daryl, I have a question. Do you think we know precisely the clinical validity of lung cancer induced by smoking? Will you call anti-smoking campaign on health ground 'alarmist'?
Feb 27 2013: Pabitra, No, to answer your question but …Would you conclude lung cancer is only caused by smoking? The truth is we probably know more about what causes lung cancer than we do about what causes Climate Change, especially "abrupt" climate change.
I'm sure you've heard of "Clouding the issue with facts"…this is where the current global conversation on Climate Change is… a relatively small amount of information is being used and abused to declare emergencies and generally incite a panic mentality in order to draw attention to this issue and/or sell someones idea or book or maintain a status quo to our peril. The biggest and more dangerous result of this approach is a confusing mess of rhetoric on both sides which render Lost any appropriate response and risks unreasonable costs in time and limited resources again, to our peril. An interesting yet little known event has occurred over the last 150 years or so….the oceans have risen 1 foot….there is no panic, no call for international resources to be spent to mitigate this event…should there be? All I'm saying is that we need a responsible conversation about this issue and a reasonable plan to deal with it in a reasonable timeframe.
Feb 28 2013: I find it difficult to agree with you that there is no reason to panic if the sea level rises by 1 foot. Maldivians will also not agree I guess.
Admitted that the science behind Climate Change or Global Warming is not easy to grasp as Climate Science is a vastly complex discipline. But Climate Change and it's possible effects have been thoroughly studied, there are tons of peer reviewed research literature on these and there is a majority consensus within the international scientific communities about it's validity.
What I think is major impediment in popular awareness about it is lack of political will.Feb 27 2013: Thank you for the thoughtful reply. I watched the video and I like his thought process. Kind of like medical triage in a disaster.Feb 28 2013: Climate change denial has a political agenda.
Man-made cimate change has a scientific one.
You choose.
Here's a video, via The Real News.com of Jeffrey T. Kiehl, who is a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research:
Feb 28 2013: Hey, just watched the video. That guy lives right up the way from me, well... same state anyway. He had some quality points to make. I am glad to see him take those questions head on. (I wish the news guy didn't look so smug. Its not an argument anyone should be happy about winning, kind of like "See! I told you your Grandmother was dead, and you didn't believe me....) Anyway, I had no idea there were two types of carbon, and I am happy to see that he acknowledged the problems with Al Gores hockey stick in a matter of fact way, definitely boosts his credibility with me. Thanks again for the link. :)
Feb 28 2013: I too watched the interview, did you happen to look at any of the comments/debates about the interview and the topic on the page? Again Tom, I encourage you to watch the documentary "COOL IT". It exposes the current discourse and subsequent policies and proposals as ineffective and inefficient to the goals they were meant to achieve. Bjorn is not saying there is no Climate Change, he is saying the information being used and abused on both sides of the discourse are resulting in false conclusions and irresponsible policies.
Ken brown
Feb 27 2013: It's quite popular on my countries blogs where a lot of retired people who are politically minded choose a side and spend all day hammering each other from cherry picking. I have reasoned it out that they realize it must go beyond their lifetime expectancy therefore it's a hot topic for a stance on something.
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They can't help themselves when one starts a round of link throw ups and then the war begins.
I just state that we have never faced this before and can only face what's coming with the expectancy to be always prepared to move on the spot if one has to, cities get destroyed or suffer from severe weather events but are in reality just hubs of human concentrations, they can be set up elsewhere, we are the ones who feel the loss of these structures as world ending events. There is the meme that if we lose a city it is such a loss that the government must payout the people to compensate them for the breach of their contract for life and their lifestyles and then they run off to a country that is deemed safe and economically viable. I witnessed this with my own countries disasters.
Feb 27 2013: I see what you mean. I've heard a theory about how it's far more natural for people to decide what they want to believe first, then set about finding evidence to support that belief, rather than the more unnatural process of gathering data first and then formulating your belief based on rational processing of that data. Which is what I am trying to do (harder than it looks, I keep finding unfounded biases sneaking back into my thought processes ;) Thank you for sharing! What country are you from, if you don't mind me asking?Feb 27 2013: I see the warring too. I don't find it too helpful, all in all, that's why I wanted to preface my question the way I did. :)
Feb 28 2013: I'm from New Zealand and come to think of it we have only suffered one modern event yet we share the same type of induction zone that Japan has which triggered the the tsunami for them. We have ours just off our capital cities shores, at the moment we are experiencing drought conditions across the country.
Zdenek Smith
Feb 27 2013: Scanning a few results of search for Climate Change does not show any links to "other side" of climate change:
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However there are claims that there is not really any scientific "other side" beside those sponsored by conservative groups:
Feb 27 2013: Thanks for the links. I know there is a profit motive for people on both sides to manipulate the conversation (ie I've heard globalists are behind man made climate change and oil is behind it being a natural process) That's why I try to just focus on the scientific process and only incorporate information that has survived credible peer review. I know there are some pretty thoughtful points being made on both sides. I've seen them from other sources. I just really like the TED format. Thanks for taking the time to check for me! :)Feb 27 2013: i recomemnd skimming through these blogs as a start:
they cover multiple areas, climate issues among others
ps: they are not really on the "other side". they are on the scientific side, as opposed to the cherrypicking political organizations.
Feb 27 2013: Interesting stuff here. Thanks for the reply!
gale kooser
Feb 27 2013: No idea! But imagine the reason you haven't found any is because the evidence shows humans have put more CO2 into the atmosphere then natural events could.
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Feb 27 2013: Thanks for responding so quickly. I can certainly recognize that we produce plenty of CO2. With respect to the CO2 component of climate change, I am at the stage of vetting the claims that CO2 is not in a position to overshadow the effects of methane or water vapor in as far as how much the amounts in the atmosphere vary and the degree to which they impact the greenhouse effect. I've also heard that historical CO2 levels might not precede temperature changes as previously thought, but might actually follow temperature changes. Indicating that the increasing levels we are seeing now, is in response to temp changes which are in turn caused by something else. Again, not saying I agree, but do find the points worthy of closer examination. Thanks again, I really am enjoying the helpful nature and respectful tone of this forum! :)Feb 27 2013: There is one problem with your statement. The CO2 we have put in the air is from fossil fuels. That means it was originally in the air so we haven't put "more" CO2 into the air we have just put it in faster.
Feb 28 2013: Aha! Thank you for the correction. :)Feb 28 2013: If you look at the Earths cycle so far that we know it will warm and it will freeze anyway. What the scientists are saying is that we are changing its cycle. It will happen sooner than the predicted cycle, with our CO2 consumpstion, But guess what like anyother female (Mother Earth) she will sort it for herselfFeb 28 2013: If you are going to do research you have to be prepared to work.
By that, I mean go to the source, the scientific papers being written by reputable climate researchers publishing in peer review journals and read and understand what they are saying.
As as starting point, I would suggest that you go to the following web site
Don't bother to read the body of the text....go to the end of the article. There are 119 references to scientific papers on global warming. Read them first. By the end, you will probably have enough of an understanding to form your own opinion without falling prey to the conspiratorial theorists that lurk all around this topicFeb 28 2013: Here's a thought from left field. The last time atmospheric CO2 was at 800ppm almost all the worlds land masses were covered in dense rainforrest and a spike in evolution occured resulting in the animals and plants we now see around us. Sure a massive green house "summer" will cause us problems but it might actually be good for the planet. It may produce the organism that replaces us as the dominant force.Feb 28 2013: Thank you Allen, I will watch the video and I appreciate the input, and I certainly wish I could choose, and perhaps when I come to the end of my little investigation I will see it as you do. For now, however, I must reserve judgement as I think a case could be made that people in both camps have all kinds of agenda's. which is one reason why I'm finding it so difficult to get to the bottom of all this. For example, (don't mean to pick on him, but just as an example) Al Gore invests in companies that profit from green policies, and he lobbies for them. I don't necessarily think that should exclude his arguments from the dialogue (and certainly don't think he should refrain from those activities), but I think it means his statements should be subject to thorough review. I think the same should be said for what the oil companies argue.
I sure hope your right (well actually, I don't in that it sure would be a load off if we weren't causing this ;) I see science as the unbiased search for truth as well, and onward down the rabbit hole I go!
Feb 28 2013: Hi Tom, I agree that it is extremely difficult to get at anything that passes as the truth when it comes to climate change - or any other subject ripe for the same kind of denial, like big pharma vs natural remedies as another example.
Something that has helped me, and might help others too, is looking at the psychology behind denial - and why otherwise bright people get sucked into believing something, even in the teeth of opposing evidence.
New Scientist magazine ran an article on just that:
An interesting profile of a denier by Martin McKee, an epidemiologist at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine:
1. Allege that there's a conspiracy. Claim that scientific consensus has arisen through collusion rather than the accumulation of evidence.
2. Use fake experts to support your story. "Denial always starts with a cadre of pseudo-experts with some credentials that create a facade of credibility," says Seth Kalichman of the University of Connecticut.
3. Cherry-pick the evidence: trumpet whatever appears to support your case and ignore or rubbish the rest. Carry on trotting out supportive evidence even after it has been discredited.
4. Create impossible standards for your opponents. Claim that the existing evidence is not good enough and demand more. If your opponent comes up with evidence you have demanded, move the goalposts.
5. Use logical fallacies. Hitler opposed smoking, so anti-smoking measures are Nazi. Deliberately misrepresent the scientific consensus and then knock down your straw man.
6. Manufacture doubt. Falsely portray scientists as so divided that basing policy on their advice would be premature. Insist "both sides" must be heard and cry censorship when "dissenting" arguments or experts are rejected.


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It would be nice if this tournament was on the FFT, but if the tournament director does not want it on the FFT it is fine. I don't think we should bad mouth the tournament or the TD because he wants to remain off of the FFT. If you don't like how he runs the tournament then don't go.
I'm not the TD for the Barnett event and I'm not the official spokesman for the "team" but I do have a viewpoint. So here goes....
Florida used to have the FDGA of which I was an officer for a few years. I helped to support the sport and TDs with my participation on and off the course. I traveled to Clearwater, Melbourne, Rockledge, Gainesville and even West Palm whenever I could to play and support Willey, Aldridge, Aviles (RIP), Monroe and Newman respectively. I was a TD for a couple PDGA events and an annual fundraiser. I played a minor role in helping run the Pro Triple Crown and the Flying Disc Championships. I kept a points system for FDGA events that culminated in an invitational tourney for the top points' earners at the annual picnic. I have plenty of experience with disc golf in Florida to have an educated viewpoint.
This event is a PDGA sanctioned event. IMO, this trumps any perceived need to be part of a statewide series. I could be wrong, and probably am, but I've been on the FFT website several times and don't remember seeing anything about joining the tour and listing what "benefits" are to be gained. Maybe the TD doesn't feel like adding a cover charge to each player just to have the event listed on a different tab of a website. I'm not aware of any FFT year end awards, or picnic or tournament that justifies a need to be on their schedule. This is not a slight against the FFT or any of the guys involved as I have first-hand knowledge of what it's like to coordinate things in your off-time.
To paraphrase a comment you left about disc sales...as the consumer, you have the ultimate power in your decision on where you spend your disc golf money. This is a perfect example where your words ring true. For whatever the reasons, real or perceived, you don't want to participate in the Barnett tournament because of the TD. That is the power that you wield as the consumer and no one is faulting, or attacking you for that.
I do fault you for feeling the need to join this group for the sole purpose of bagging on the tournament/TD/"team".
So "one more time"....if you want Barnett on the FFT so badly, take the reigns, call Orange County Parks and organize it. Here's the number, 407-836-6248. Once you've done that, please come back and post and I can assure you I will attend to support you.
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Yves Saint Laurent: His Life and Times (Yves Saint Laurent - Le temps retrouve)
A documentary detailing the life and career of fashion designer Yves Saint Laurent, which includes current as well as archival interviews from the 1960s and 70s, with St. Laurent's mother, his lover and business partner Pierre Berge, muse Loulou de la Falaise and admirer Lee Radziwill. At age 3, he advised his aunt that her dress and shoes did not work together and at 19 he began designing for Dior. In 1962, he and Berge opened their own fashion house and in 2002, they closed their custom dressmaking business.
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Recipe by CHRISTYJ
"What could be better together than beer and meat? Beer helps to make this roast moist, succulent and flavorful."
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2 pounds
top round steak, trimmed
2 tablespoons
vegetable oil
onion, chopped
2 stalks
celery, chopped
1 clove
garlic, minced
1 (10.75 ounce) can
condensed cream of mushroom soup
1 (12 fluid ounce) can or bottle
bay leaves
whole cloves
This receipe tasted great but I made some changes to it - which I highly was very pleased with.
a) I used Golden Mushroom soup instead of regular - it just made the sauce look so rich
b) I used Honey Brown Lager beer - it gave a nice sweet twist of a taste to it and only used HALF the bottle.
c) I quartered red potatos and baked in the oven at 425' for 30 minutes (45 minutes before pot roast was finished) in a metal pan, not glass - with salt, pepper, olive oil, paprika and oregano (topped with foil) and then dumped it into the pot roast for the last 15 minutes.
The sauce of the pot roast was something you could put over any meat or chicken and made the carrots and celery melt in your mouth.
I cooked a 3 pound roast on the stove, as directed. And it took 4 1/2 hrs.
131 Ratings
I loved this recipe. I used a dutch oven and baked it instead at 300F for about 3 hours and when it was done the meat just fell apart and was so tender.
Excellent flavor. I also made it in the crock pot after searing the meat and cooking the veggies in oil. The gravy was wonderful on mashed potatoes!
Very good results! I love using beer in pot roast as you get such a tender meat and nice flavor. The mushroom soup adds a nice creamy taste to the broth!
So easy. So tasty. I used my crockpot. Seared the meat first and sauteed the vegetables. Used Cream of Mushroom with Roasted Garlic soup. I used a tri-tip roast and it was so moist and tender that my 17 year old who is NOT a red meat fan, loved it. Next time will cook some wide egg noodles and serve it like a stroganoff.
Yum! This was really good and really easy. Don't be intimated by the cooktime. All you need to do is toss stuff in a dutch oven and let everything simmer for a while.
I love cooking with either beer or wine which is why this recipe caught my eye. I did omit the cloves as I'm not a huge fan. I also added some beef broth, more seasonings and a bit of Gravy Master. Once the meat was done, I thickened with flour and some of the fat that had accumulated. This also works really nicely in the slow cooker once you've browned the meat. Just make sure you deglaze the pan with the liquid before transferring it to the crock pot. Very good Christy and thank you!
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Pot Roast in Beer
Serving Size: 1/6 of a recipe
Servings Per Recipe: 6
Amount Per Serving
Calories: 387
Calories from Fat: 196
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Wineries and Chow in the Hill Country?
During our stay in Austin,next week we plan to take a day trip or 2 in the Fredericksberg area. Could we please get some recommendations on beautiful routes to fun wineries and good chow along the way? Thanking you in advance. I've had my daughter to have some Live Oak Pale Ale waiting for us and our first stop will be Rositas Tacos al Pastur. Can't wait!
It's not Fredricksburg which does have several good wineries, but myl vote is the Driftwood Vineyard which has a great patio overlooking the vineyards down below and cheap prices on bottles. Then you head just down the road to Salt Lick BBQ which is BYOB with your bottle of wine for some tasty chow.
Salt Lick is cash only but in a great setting and really good food. Lots of posts on this board about it if you want to check it out.
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Thanks! Where can I get winery and chow recs.?
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I had a very enjoyable visit to Becker Vineyards, Wildseed Farms, and Fredricksburg several weekends ago. Didn't know they had varieties they sold at the winery only. All the tasting and live music was fun, and a winery tour run by a jovial frenchman started with perfect timing. It was interesting to see the operations of a small winery. They just purchased a new bottling machine from Italy.
Here's the info from my notes:
Becker Vineyards
464 Becker Farms Road, Stonewall TX 78671
P.O. Box 393, Stonewall TX 78671
(830) 644-2681
Fax: (830) 644-2689
E-mail: firstname.lastname@example.com
Richard and Bunny Becker, Owners
Tours, Tastings, Sales, Gift Shop, Picnics, Events, Bed & Breakfast
In the Texas Hill Country, 10 miles east of Fredericksburg off U.S. Highway 290, the winery replaces an original 19th century German limestone barn and stands beside the 1880s log cabin (named The Homestead B&B). The tasting room features an antique bar originally from the Green Tree Saloon in San Antonio. There are 46 acres of French vinifera grapevines and 3 acres of lavender growing at the winery. Grape growing and wine making techniques follow strict French practices of limited yield, barrel fermentation and aging of red and white wines. The Lavender Haus reception hall and the winery's covered patio are available for parties, conferences and receptions.
Visitors welcome:
Mon-Thu 10am-5pm;
Fri-Sat 10am-6pm;
Sun noon-6pm
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I went to Hilltop based on a recommendation researched here on Chowhound. The appetizer (flaming greek cheese w/ head of garlic) and wine ordered were excellent.
first 2 pics are of menu and the delicious greek cheese appetizer, almost completely consumed
I did not like the Brenda's crabcakes (pic #3) I ordered for dinner at all. The texture was goupy. So many other things on the menu sounded incredible I was really bummed I didn't order something different.
The Chicken Fried Steak (pic #4) bite I ate was good, and the okra was very good.
On the way back I called a greek neighbor I grew next door to. They would make my family a loaf of bread every week, so of course I asked her why they never made us the Kefalotiri Saganaki :-). Turns out, they now run a table at a greek festival each year where that's all they make all day. she said the head of garlic was not traditional, but the rest was.
The place was *packed*. All tables full and bar area standing room only. We made a reservation 1 hour ahead of time, and got the very last table, a cold one in the bar area near the front door. Service was slow, but the people working were clearly doing the best they could with the huge crowd.
** Always make reservations, even if just a couple hours ahead
From Fredericksburg, head west on Main.
When you hit the "Y" where 290W and 87N split,
follow 87N 10 miles to the HILL TOP CAFE!
(edit: it was slightly more than 10 miles, past the deer? processing factory; the front looks like a gas station)


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The Intense World Theory and early intervention
In this TED talk, the speaker illustrates a graph where infants with autism seem to be born with a higher developed sense of eye connection than those without autism, and then dips down, whereas infants that are not eventual diagnosed with autism start lower but stay relatively stable.
The Intense World theory is a theory by Makram and Makram that pursues the idea that instead of the idea that people who are autistic were born with an undeveloped sense of empathy and connection towards other people, it is actually the opposite, and that over-sensitiviy has caused people with autism to have natural aversions to other people over time because it causes too much emotional distress.
What do you all think of this theory? The data shown in the TED presentation seems to be consistent with what the theory proposes. What kind of implications would this discovery have on this concept of early intervention?
Debra Smith
Jul 21 2012: I actually like this theory quite a bit and I think we should look to individuals with Aspergers to understand more about it. It could be, however that we are looking at two different phenomena, autism and the genesis of Aspergers. Their outcomes are far different so why couldn't their sources also be different? Autistic kids seldom seem different until the onset of Autism, at least many parents feel certain this is so, but many parents detect this sort of hyper stimulation in kids who develop Asbergers. So is it also a function of intelligence?. My big bug bear is wondering why we turn overt and happy Asperber kids into withdrawn and unhappy and silent adults. Who says that they have to be quiet and listen?. We are the adults - we should adapt to them.
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Jun 24 2012: Many thanks for your question Christopher.
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The intense world theory seems generally consistent with my observations.
I particularly agree the identification of the dangers of reward and punishment in the autistic - the autistic exists in an entirely different mental continuum - punishment in particular(aka "discipline"). So, whatever you do - don't send an autist to the modern trauma factories that we in the west call "schools" - you will end up regretting it.
But, I think they missed the function of noise in early development.
Supercharged neural microcircuits - with or without super-plasticity, would have difficulty developing topological stability. This is because each iteration of the circuit will lead to rapid convergence with stable topology ONLY IF the noise is reduced in subsequent iterations. Hyper synaptic adjustment can potentially lead to inverse topology, or even topological oscillations. If the limbic dampenning is not sufficient, then these microcircuits themselves would lead to sustained neural noise that would serve to inhibit the convergence of other parts of the brain.
It may well be true that supercharged neural structures might be walled-off over time, but this cannot be equated to a "trapped genius". Any supercharged circuits thus isolated, would remain in their undeveloped state. If they were "un-walled" then development might start again - allowing any latent genius to emerge.
With early diagnosis: As mentioned in the article, the focus would be on genetic predisposition and identification of environmental epigenetic factors. in short: prenatal diagnosis - beginning with the parents' genomes.
This does not preclude the role of diagnosis as outlined by Ami Klin.
The diagnostic community has a ways to catch up - so Klin's method will stand for a while.
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Jun 22 2012: I definitely think what you suggest is a correct assumption.
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I myself diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome is someone who can communicate and empathise very easy with more similar people. Autistic people can empathise and communicate very well with other autistics. It's just the case they can't as easy empathise with 'normal' people. It's the same for normal people, they can't easily communicate with autistics. The experience of the world is very different.
If the parents of an autistic child parent the childs like other children, the autistic child can behave very bad on this.
On the other hand, I think - I'm just thinking - that if you parenting your autistic child not like others but in an other way, I think they won't go in their own world as much. I think their is truth in the intense world theory tbh.
Jun 23 2012: Thanks for your response. Indeed, it is natural for people who are more similar to be able to empathize with each other more, simply because it is easier to identify with those that are more similar to yourself; it lays out a framework, common connection.
On a side note, I'm not sure if the distinction should be made that all people with Asperger's syndrome can't empathize with "normal" people; I'm not sure if we should be so cut and dry: empathy is a very complex part in a person's character, and it's not as though some people have it or some people don't: it's always on a continuum, never on and off. I only mention because I imagine some people who have disabilities may be attacked for having "no empathy", and I think that that assumption may be harmful. What do you think?
Jun 30 2012: I, personally, have always thought it important to clearly define the "lack of emapthy" of the autistic mind. It is not an inability to understand that other people are sentient beings with a capacity to think and feel, love, joy, sadness, whatever, but rather, a difficulty in recognizing those states.
The autistic may know that other people are thinking and feeling beings, but precisely *what* they are thinking and feeling is difficult for the autistic person to discern. This is largely due to the autistic difficulty with tonal and body language cues.
These cues form a great deal of neuro-typical communication, and it is difficult for a brain on the autistic spectrum to detect and process them. It is not the case that the autistic individual does not "care." It is rather that the autistic individual is missing a great deal of the information being communicated.
The assumption that autistic persons do not feel or care is a very dangerous one indeed.
Jun 30 2012: I already written it down on other posts, but I do it again.
You think it's important to clearly define the 'lack of empathy' on the autistic mind....
Are you autistic??
How can you say that without experience it?
It's like saying: Animals seems to have a lack of empathy, because it can't understand me!!
I notice people can't feel precisely what I think and what I feel...
That's because we have other non verbal communication...
and of course than you could say autistic people have difficulty with tonal and body language cues... WOW, you're very intelligent :O...
But neurotypical people have problems with my non verbal communication too...
They can't understand when I use my eyes to communicate, other autistic people can understand it. The point is...
It's a different adaptation of communication not a lack of the neurotypical or the autistic...
Did you ever studies evolutionary psychology? probably you didn't
So, should I make a theory?
theorie of mind lack in neuro-typical, because they can't understand precisely what I feel and what I think?
I think this is the biggest mistake of today, of course autistic people have problems understanding other people, because they experience the world differently ...
BUT it works in both directions ...
I don't want to sound rude or something, but it's very annoying that people like you who don't know anything of this speak about it...Jun 30 2012: And btw, the assumption that autistic people lack empathy is more and more questioned.
For example the intense world theory is a good example.
It's even said in this theory that autistic people have overwhelming of empathy.Jun 30 2012: Perhaps I should have stated my credentials up front. I have decades of experience with autism, because I, too, am autistic. My point was that empathy is a very broadly used term and that it is important to be extremely clear what one means when discussing it, for it is entirely innaccurate to say that autistic individuals do not have the ability to see others as people or the capacity to understand that others might have similar thoughts and feelings.
There is certainly the factor that neurotypical and autistic individuals simply think differently, and that social empathy is greatly aided by similarities between individuals. As you say, in general it is easier for autistics to understand other autistics than it is for neurotypicals and autistics to understand each other. However, that does not negate the fact that, for whatever reason, it is more difficult for autistic individuals to understand non-verbal cues and metaphoric language. Because, regardless of the reason, we *do* have difficulties understanding other people, even other autistics.
I would actually state some interest in the intense world theory, as it would explain some of my personal experiences as an autistic person. I often feel intense emotional pain when witnessing even strangers in emotional duress. This is often to a degree greater than my neurotypical peers. In addition, I find greater difficulty making eye contact during emotionally intense periods. As well, it is a well know fact that autistic persons tend to have sensory intergration issues. It would make sense that our aversion to other people and the outside world might be caused due to an oversensitivity to such stimulation.
I have studied evolutionary psychology, actually.
Jul 1 2012: "we *do* have difficulties understanding other people, even other autistics."
Well, I never felt I could not understand other autistics, my girlfriend has asperger syndrome too btw.
And we have no problem in understanding each other. So it's your opinion, it's not a fact. I'm sure I can equally understand other autistics, even better than neurotypical people understand each other.
Can you give me some prove please?
" I find greater difficulty making eye contact during emotionally intense periods. As well, it is a well know fact that autistic persons tend to have sensory intergration issues"
The fact why I said, did you studied evolutionary psychology was because then you would know the behavior of an autistic is just different from that of a normal person. this is NOT a prove autistic people are defective or something... It just prove that the needs are different.
If i read evolutionary psychology books I always noticed that we just behave in a completely different way.
Of course you could find "defective" ways in autistic if you compare the autistic population with the neurotypical population. But this is not science!
We could say that bonobos are defective in comparing with chimpanzees in some ways, but it works both ways. This is not science and again this is not Falsifiability. The fact is that bonobos and chimps have different adaptations ...
Evolutionary psychology is studying this:
A. Survival and individual level psychological adaptations
Sensation and perception
Learning and facultative adaptations
Emotion and motivation
Family and kin
Interactions with non-kin / reciprocity
Evolution and culture
Autistic people are different in all this adaptations, it's NOT, again NOT, a prove that autistic people have a defect or something, it is just different!
If you want a prove of everything evolutionary psychology is studying which is different in an autist, I will do it for you. No space left
Jul 1 2012: I do not view autistics as defective. I would agree that we are differently adapted.
I did not say that we do not understand, I said that we have trouble understanding. It really isn't the same thing.
I would ask that an attempt be made to at least understand what my argument is before offering a rebuttal.
Again, I have studied evolutionary psychology.
As to autistic individuals being differently adapted, no matter how many times this argument is given, my mind cannot be changed because I DO NOT DISAGREE ON THAT POINT.Jul 1 2012: The fact that the adaptation of an autistic person is different from a neurotypical person of course can lead autistic people have problems in understanding the non-verbal cues and metaphoric language from neurotypical people.
Did you know that people have difficulties with the asperger adaptation of understanding the literal meaning of words? they understand things wrong, they can't see when i'm using literal meanign of words, so can we diagnose neurotypical people by a lack of understanding the literal use of words by an autistic???
you fail in understanding how adaptations work, it's not that autistic have a lack of understanding metaphoric language, it's that the adaptations are different >.<Jul 1 2012: 1. How can you prove that the metaphoric language is more advanced in an evolutionary scale?
2. Autistic people use metaphoric language too, and they understand the metaphoric language of each other easy. It's again the difference in language.
Couple of weeks ago I was having a discussion with a "normal" person about my vegan diet (btw a vegan diet can be healthy too, most research even says it healthier).
I said, "a diet with meat" sucks because you need to kill animals for the meat.
Did you know what his response was? "what is the meaning of a diet with meat?"
I tough their only exist a lettuce diet...
And I explained him that a diet have this meaning:
"Is the sum of food consumed by a person or other organism"
he replied: Oh, I tough it only means losing weight!
What is your conclusion of this?
Was I wrong in literal thinking of the word diet?
or was he wrong with using the common definition of diet?
Jul 1 2012: A literal meaning is not the opposite of a common meaning. That has nothing to do with metaphoric language.Jul 1 2012: Well, a brain with a capacity for understanding symbolic language and metaphoric language is necesarily one that is highly complex, so... Yes, the understanding of metaphors could be considered a useful adaption, particularly as it allows for easy, if unnuanced and occationally innaccurate, communcation of complex ideas.
That being said, it isn't so much more advanced and less advanced when it comes to evolution. It's really more useful and less useful.Jul 1 2012: first reaction you said:
"sensory intergration issues"
What you probably meant with that is: a defect of the autistic person
my reaction was obvious: you don't understand evolutionary psychology
no but you didn't understand it, otherwise you shouldn't have made the sensory integration issues argument.
because this is a different adaptation.Jul 1 2012: New evidence shows something total different.
The intestal flora could be the cause of distorted brain development.
If young infants are prescribed antibiotics or for different reasons the spectrum of bacterial species is out of balance which leaves room for the dominance of a kind that secretes an acid what interferes with fat tissue in the brain.
Then what is autism? I find it hard to compare Asperger Syndrome with people that never develop any further the 3 year old.Jul 1 2012: empathy
[6]For most autistic individuals, their range does not include the neurotypical way of experiencing life. And since the autistic way is a minority, autistic people have to work very hard on increasing their range to reach the neurotypical way of experiencing life. On the other hand, neurotypical centrism states that it is perfectly healthy that the range of neurotypical individuals does not include the autistic way of experiencing life.
For autistic people, the capability to process large amounts of raw data is a solution most high intelligent autistic people adopt. They collect an almost insane amount of data on the neurotypical way of being and after a decade or two of study they can enter some simple neurotypical social settings.
After this long study, the range of people who have traveled this path is much larger, even though it might still not include the neurotypical way of being. The interesting thing is that neurotypical centrism keeps saying that autistic individuals can?t empathize with people very well. While the neurotypical scientists only mean that the neurotypical way of being is not within the range of the autistic people who are tested.Jul 1 2012: Empathy
[5]Another basic flaw in how autism is being described and tested has to do with the concept of empathy. This concept is viewed from the perspective of the neurotypical way of being, with all of its neurotypical centric applications.
When we let go of neurotypical centric and any other kind of centric view the result would be the following: The range of being an individual can communicate with also entails a range of being with which this individual can empathize with. This range is usually limited to what the individual trying to understand how another might feel, would feel himself in the situation the other is in. This of course has the basic flaw that the variation of ways to experience a situation is much larger than the range of feelings any single individual will experience within that situation.
The solution is to try to understand the way the other individual?s way of being works, and to do this in the terms the other uses, letting go of all your own experiences for that situation.
For the neurotypical way of being this is almost impossible. The neurotypical way of being starts out with how it itself would feel in any situation and then ascribe those feelings to others. This works for all other neurotypical individuals and this is a successful strategy in those situations. However, this strategy utterly fails when trying to empathize with someone outside the neurotypical range, for example an autistic person.Jul 1 2012: [4]The mistake made by the majority is that they impose their way of communicating upon others. Their values, their ideals, their ways of communication, everything gets imposed upon the minority. And those who do not fit the profile set by the majority get labeled as being defective. And from the viewpoint that to differ is to be defective, this is correct.
Viewed from science to differ means just that, to differ. But since the neurotypical way of being has the tendency to give emotional value to everything, the neurotypical way of being has difficulties using objective language and thought. And thus it sees defects. And defects usually require a fix.
It is the view of me and my fellow Aspergers that this is a shortcoming in the neurotypical way of being. Some Aspergers view this shortcoming with the same judgmental normocentrism that many of neurotypical people view the autistic way of being.Jul 1 2012: [3]It is merely that the neurotypical population far outnumbers the autistic population which causes the neurotypical ways of social conduct prevails. It is this outnumbering that is the root cause for every problem that is experienced by people that fall outside the ways of doing and being of the majority. Be it autistic, be it extremely intelligent, be it a more complex worldview, be it left handiness, be it sexual orientation, it doesn't matter how an individual differs. To differ means there's a gap both sides have to overcome.
To apply this on the individual level: Every person has a certain way of interacting with others that is natural for that individual. Also each person has a certain range with whom she/he can interact. Of course the range varies from person to person. But if the natural ways of communicating between two people are far enough apart, having a huge range can still mean the two of them have trouble communicating, or are even unable to communicate. Both will interpret the reactions and behavior of the other in ways that is comprehensible to themselves. And this is by definition limited, and does not always include the way the one giving the reaction will interpret it.
If the natural way of being between individuals differs only slightly, communication is much more fluent. This is so simple and obvious that hardly anyone seems to realize this to be at the root of communication between people. Communication difficulties as well as success depend on the differences between the natural ways and the range both can reach.
Just to make the most obvious point so far: if the group is autistic, the differences are small, and thus even a small range is more than sufficient. The same goes if the group is neurotypical, or extremely intelligent, intuitive, non-verbal or any way of being that anyone can think of.Jul 1 2012: [2]And here is why I say so. Within Mensa I have a few friends who are also autistic. We have our own set of nonverbal communications, our own set of social "rules" and we have even tested them in a wider context. The most interesting observations happened when there was a large group of autistic people with only a couple of neurotypical people. In this setting the autistic way of communicating was used by almost everyone, and those who did not "speak" our social interaction were left out. This of course meant the most hardcore neurotypical people. They were unable to join conversations, they were unable to get any contact whatsoever, and in the end some of them just left the conference. If we apply the term normocentrism, in this setting it would mean that the autistic way of communicating was the norm and those who have not mastered the autistic way of interacting were socially inapt.
I have also been to several meetings for aspergers, in that setting it is easy for all of us to join conversations, to engage in social contact, etc. etc. because we all speak the same social lanJul 1 2012: [1]I think I'll take the term normocentrism as a starting point. An interesting idea to give this a name, but this term clouds the readers from what for me is the underlying issue. The underlying issue in my view is that every individual has the tendency to experience his/her own way of feeling, seeing, hearing, and experiencing the world as being valid. This makes it a small step to view one?s own experience of life as the only one, or as the majority one. This also makes it hard to understand other ways to experience life, other ways of thinking, feeling, dealing with situations, etc. etc.
If we were to start from the term normocentrism, Mottron uses this to differentiate between autistic and non-autistic people. If the term is truly intended to only point at this distinction, it should be neurotypical centrism. Make the term fit the limited distinction between autistic and neurotypical people.Jul 1 2012: @Joel Pigeau
"I did not say that we do not understand, I said that we have trouble understanding. It really isn't the same thing."
Well, I would say I have not more trouble with understanding my girlfriend for example than other relationships in neurotypical people. And I do not think it's very significant if it were true that we have more trouble of understanding even other autistic people. I think it is studied in a biased way. See my next post why I think so
[5][6] empathy
The interesting thing is that neurotypical centrism keeps saying that autistic individuals can?t empathize with people very well. While the neurotypical scientists only mean that the neurotypical way of being is not within the range of the autistic people who are tested.
"I would ask that an attempt be made to at least understand what my argument is before offering a rebuttal."
Sorry, but I'm sometimes annoyed by people who don't know anything of autism and make sweeping statements about autism. Sorry my fault. I do not have difficulties with empathy, and i think the research on empathy and autism is been manipulated.
"A literal meaning is not the opposite of a common meaning. That has nothing to do with metaphoric language."
Okay, you're right it was a wrong example. But still, their are many examples were the literal understanding is better at some occasion than the metaphoric.
"Well, a brain with a capacity for understanding symbolic language and metaphoric language is necesarily one that is highly complex, so... Yes, the understanding of metaphors could be considered a useful adaption, particularly as it allows for easy, if unnuanced and occationally innaccurate, communcation of complex ideas."
I don't think it's more useful tbh and again autistic persons use metaphoric language too (see point 2).
Can you prove me the 'more trouble' of understanding other autistic people in an autism-autism relationship compared to an neurotypical-neurotypical relationship? f u can I believJun 24 2012: Well, based on what I've seen(I go to school with some autistic kids), I have to disagree with this theory. When ever I see an autistic person at my school, they always seem to be in their own world.
Jun 24 2012: The theory is not in conflict with the "be in their own world", it's even a predection of the theory.
Because the world is so intense they go in their bubble, to escape of pain.
I don't think you have read the intense world theory/hypothesis...
Here is a simple and understandable interview about the intense world theory.
http://www.wrongplanet.net/article419.htmlJun 23 2012: "empathy is a very complex part in a person's character, and it's not as though some people have it or some people don't: it's always on a continuum, never on and off"
Well, I'm not sure about everything I'm saying. I'm new in the field of evolutionary psychology. I'm 17 so I do not have really much experience. But I think it's OBVIOUS that empathy doesn't exist in the common definition. Empathy is just reading other minds emotions and reflecting your own on others. This is the reason why recently in psychology friends and lovers have the same kind of genes (or more common), and have a similar view of the world. They can understand each other easy. You chose people to be your friends because they let you the person you want to be. So it's necessary that they are almost a mirror of yourself.
Assortative mating theory if a good example of this. We search ourselves in other.
But please read the comment of 'Jasper van Haasteren'. I think he found something very important which many researchers are ignoring. The fact of the bad fitting is probably the most important factor of the bad social contact of autistic people. I have a girlfriend who've got asperger and I can relate very easy with her.Jun 23 2012: "On a side note, I'm not sure if the distinction should be made that all people with Asperger's syndrome can't empathize with "normal" people; I'm not sure if we should be so cut and dry"
Okay, you're right of course it's not black and white. What I just wanted to say is that it's harder to empathise/communicate with people who are very different from you. And it can be even so difficult that you can't join a group of different kind of eye-contact, communication, to talk with. [1]
"empathy is a very complex part in a person's character, and it's not as though some people have it or some people don't: it's always on a continuum, never on and off"
I'm really skeptical of the common assumption that "empathy" most people show actually exist.
I think empathy can have 2 defenitions:
1. A very hard way to empathise with someone by reading everything of the person and react in the way that is seeing polite in the eyes of the person. This is almost impossible if you differ in culture for example. You can't know how that person will react if you know what I mean.
2. Putting your own experiences on other people, this is what most people do in their normal life.
When they meet new people, they can't be aware of how a person thinks or experience the world.
They just reflect their experience of the world on other people.
(2) This is the kind of empathy I criticize. Because minority in the populations always have difficulties with this kind of empathy. Because majority think differently the communication is very noisy between both sides (but because of conformity-> minority lose.
The problem of autism is probably the second defenition of empathy. However, I do not really think it's something wrong with the brain, just a different experience of the world, and thus the reflect their experience more wrong on others than normal people do.
[1] http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v479/n7371/abs/479033a.html
read the comment of "Jasper van Haasteren"


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1 cup
uncooked white rice
1 (10.75 ounce) can
condensed cream of chicken soup
1 7/8 cups
1 (1 ounce) package
dry onion soup mix
skinless, boneless chicken breast halves
I make this recipe all the time with some changes. First, I cut the chicken into bite sized pieces, then in a bowl I combine all the other ingredients and mix well. I pour the mixture over the chicken, cover with foil and bake as directed until the rice is done. It's a simple dish, but if you make it as directed I find that the rice doesn't get cooked and the ingredients don't blend well together. Made the way I do it, it's a flavorful and simple dinner.
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The first time I made this, it tasted fantastic, however the rice on the bottom didn't cook, and the chicken was a little over done.
The next time I made it, I cut the chicken up into 8 pieces instead of 4, and I mixed in the liquid and rice. I also mixed in the soup mix. This time it was cooked perfectly! I've made this 3 times now, and this time I didn't have cream of chicken soup, so I substituted cream of broccoli and it was FANTASTIC. We had no leftovers, and that never happens.
For a very simple, basic dish, this was pretty good. It reminded me of something my grandmother would make. I made a few changes. I used cream of mushroom soup; I added a little more water; I did not use the onion soup mix (seemed that it would be incredibly salty with the onion mix in addition to the soup) and instead used a little dried herbs seasoning mix (basil, garlic, rosemary, thyme, etc) and fresh garlic for more flavor; I added fresh mushrooms; I mixed the water, rice, and soup mix rather than pouring the mixture over the rice; and I used two chicken breasts because that's all I had. I baked it for an hour, which was probably a little long. The rice tasted almost like a nice, creamy (easy) risotto. You could do a lot with this recipe, and I'll keep experimenting with it.
This is sooooooooo good!!!! Put in crock pot before work...came home to delicious-smelling house! I used yellow spanish rice and set on low for 6 hours. It came out great! Served with steamed asparagus.
I sauteed celery, onions & garlic to add along with fresh broccoli before baking- that gave the veggie addition I wanted
This dish was yummy. I changed a few things though I used chicken flavored rice mixed in cream of mushroom soup instead of cr. of chicken and used 1/2 a package of onion soup mix and used chicken broth instead of water . but you need to mix the rice in w/ the liquid also the soup and I poured it all over the chicken and added cheese the last 15min .Only bake it for 1hour
I made this last night. I changed a few things after I read the other comments and here is what I did. Instead of water I used a can of chicken broth, instead of cream of chicken soup I used a jar of chicken gravy and instead of onion soup I used vegetable soup. I seasoned the chicken with garlic salt, seasoned salt and paprika. It was so good......my 6 year old, my 2 year old and my husband loved it!
* Percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet.
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Serving Size: 1/5 of a recipe
Servings Per Recipe: 5
Amount Per Serving
Calories: 314
Calories from Fat: 45
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