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I've ignored Brock's postings as, apart from the fact that they show a massive amount of disrespect to the people that actually buy the game, it's quite obvious that he is just another of the monkey's and is nowhere near the organ. What he has to say is about as relevant as those people who "have never had a problem with Steam"...
I downloaded Steam for 09 and it crippled my laptop. I was really looking forward to FM 12 but I doubt I'll get it now. :'(
Can someone please tell me the real reasons behind this
I just don't understand why this is going to happen
Doing this for "piracy issues" is not going to make more people buy it. The people who copy the game obviously have no intention of paying for it so it wont make a difference to them
You will lose more people than gain
Absolutely pointless
We hold the strings - not them.
Users' expectations should not be lowered - otherwise software companies would walk all over us.
People don't like to be walked over, and this is what this change does for some.
To activate you will need to sign up to, and install the Steam client
Having bought a copy for the last 7 years, I will not be buying 2012. FM11 will have to do until this policy changes. I will not be forced to put Steam on my computer.
Make no mistake, if a quarter of the people that usually pirate the game switch to purchasing Football Manager 2012, the sales of the game worldwide would more than double. This would lead to increased development budgets and more benefits for all of you who do buy the game.
Is that a serious comment, or do you think we are idiots?
Last edited by aaron70; 17-09-2011 at 14:40.
Here's the bottom line in my opinion;
For the people using pirated versions of FM to play, there is no difference. All it takes is one person to crack the game and/or come up with a workaround (and they will do this) to play it without Steam installed, and the user will find it easily on any of the hundreds of torrent sites out there.
So if you're a person using the pirated version of the game, it makes no difference if SEGA publishes the game exclusively through Steam or not, you will find your cracked version as quickly as usual. Which then creates the question how using Steam will reduce the number non-paying customers? And also; how will SEGA even know if the number is reduced based on Steam, or based on other things?
As I see it, the honest consumers are being punished for the actions of thieves, when we should be rewarded for our many years of loyal consumerism to the developer. I trust Sports Interactive, but I don't trust SEGA, and I definitely don't trust Valve.
What SEGA has done is to effectively add another layer of things that can go wrong between me as a user and the game I want to play. If my account gets compromised, or if I get wrongfully banned for whatever reason, Valve is now the ultimate judge on my purchased games, and can decide on a whim whetherI'm able to play or access them or not.
Although there is a huge difference between Apple and Sports Interactive, SI might want to look at the model Apple use for most of their consumer software products - no DRM, no serials, no activation. And the reason they can do that is because they focus on creating highly polished and desirable software that you want to buy.
And to be honest, I'm 100% certain that it would make no difference in piracy whatsoever if you only publish through Steam, or if you have no DRM, serials or activation whatsoever. And the reason I think that, is because codemonkeys aren't deterred by SEGA's exclusive (and lucrative I assume) publishing deal with Steam, and those who opt for using pirated software won't all of a sudden go "hmm well if it's only on Steam, I might as well buy it, instead of waiting for a cracked version as I always do".
Sorry for the essay.
Have an opinion by all means, but once stated it'd be polite to just shut up rather than engaging in some prepubescent mission to wax wroth every third post.
I have GalCiv2 on my PC. If I want to update it I have to log on Impulse, so I have an unupdated copy of GalCiv2. But - and this is important - GalCiv2 doesn't demand that I MUST register with Impulse to play the game.
Seeing that I lived in shared accomodation for 4 years with no internet access for my PC, I'm sympathetic to the people on here that are averse to this whole setup. There was not one version of CM/FM that I regularly purchased that demanded internet access (even the last disastrous activation attempt allowed the possibility of offline acivation via telephone).
Ok i have steam on my computer and so far have had no problems with it....I understand that people do and so like to own disc based games that dont need to connect to the internet....The sad fact of the matter is that all games on the pc are going digital distribution be that with steam, direct download, greenman gaiming, good old games, and even ea,s origin. Have a look in your local games shop and see how big the pc stand is.It is only maybe another two to three years before all pc games become direct downloads only.This will also happen to consoles, not this gen but next gen...Do you all complain when you download your apps to your phones, tablets.? Do people complain because they cant buy them in a shop ?Ye. Do i think this will stop the game from being pirated... No, it wont , do i think this will earn si any more sales,,, no i dont. The game will sell as much as it does every year....If you want more sales, reduce the price down to under £ 20. A double dip is coming, games are an expensive treat.Yes i no this is about having to acctivate a disc based game via steam, but si are not the only game company that do this.Look at what others are doing befor you judge si so harshly. You want to play battlefield 3 you will need to install orgin you want to play diablo 3 you need to install blizzards downloader and client. And there more games which you are required to do this.
Twice in recent days after I have shut down FM steam is running in the background doing nothing and is around 150mb usage and my poor laptop can't put up with that anymore, will still get FM but was seriously looking forward to uninstalling steam
I would like to start off that I condemn piracy of any media.
However, I would like to know the details of the research with regards to the post that was made commenting that for every 1 FM game there is 3 'cracked' games being used or something along those lines.
Obviously the term 'cracked' is very wide.
1) Cracked could mean a product downloaded illegally off the internet and used without paying.
2) It could mean a NOCD crack has been used on a legally purchased game. I understand this violate the terms of the EULA, however, this doesn't mean the game is pirated in anyway shape or form.
So I am interested in this. Does the research that has led to the 3-1 ratio conclusion include or exclude people legally purchasing the game, keeping it, but yet using a NOCD crack. I'm not interested in the rights or wrongs of that as that argument has been done to death on here and all over the internet. I am just curious to know a bit more about the research involved that led to the 3-1 conclusion.
If you don't want to release the research, may I ask why not?
Just started Steam on my Mac, took 42 seconds to open (couldn't connect to my account). Idling, it's using 143MB, which is more memory than my web browser, my mail client, my Twitter client, etc. It's also using 2-2.5% processor power when just doing nothing. Compared to 'real' background clients like Dropbox, Plex Media Server and Cloud app, Steam is using around 4-5x the resources.
One of the problems with this is that neither SI nor SEGA have any control over the bloatware, and will have to rely on Steam working well on my machine in order for me to actually use the software I bought from SI and SEGA.
Just because you, I & the majority use the PC format it does not make it the best & only option.
paged to disk in pages - since it's on your computer, it is getting paged, and is therefore consuming resources under the bonnet.
Also, it doesn't matter how quick your processor is - it's processor cycles it's consuming, and it would be around 35% on many processors, from Pentium 4s to Sandy Bridge Xeons. The difference is how long it takes to complete - i.e. how long it stays at 35%.
Please stop posting in this thread because your ill-informed and unwelcome demands on how we should spend our hard-earned salaries deliver nothing to the topic in hand and only serve to anger and upset others.
Even if his computer is a "10-year old piece of crap" (which it isn't) it shouldn't matter - the point is that Steam is another resource layer between him and the game, and isn't optimised enough for Mac to work as well in OS X as it does in Windows. For us Mac users, Steam mostly feels like a sloppy port of PC code.
It's not about "filling a quota" as such - it's about the effects of paging, context switching and Steam's own processing. 150 MB says a lot about that process - it's huge. Is it for good reason? Well, if I just want to play FM, I don't care about Steam... So I don't want to see Steam.
Think about it - when your game runs slow, people often recommend you close other applications, even if you have a billion gigabytes of RAM. It has nothing to do with "filling up your RAM counter" - it's more than that.
Um... my Steam Client is running at 39MB (out of 8GB?!?), occasionally jumps to 45MB whilst playing. Hardly a hog.
http://store.steampowered.com/about/Windows XP, Vista, or 7
1 Ghz or faster processor
Dune can you get off the anti-mac line? it's not helpful & dilutes anything you post.
Surely you can see that the proposed software is not optimised for a particular piece of hardware/software & this should have been considered when taking this action.
A modern-day Unix shell is more functional than Windows 7, but it is obvious that your argument doesn't hold - few consumers like Unix interfaces.
Plus, this argument does not hold for free OSes like Ubuntu - which are infinitely better than Windows 7, so are infinitely better value for money. So why do people not ditch Windows and Macs, and go for Ubuntu?
The reason is simple - there's way more to an operating system than functionality, and there's other factors aside from functionality that determine price. Plus people are willing to pay extra for "nice". Look at brand loyalty, for example, or paying a little extra for better customer service.
Ive read all 12 pages & here is my opinion, I think that I will not be buying FM2012 as I too do not want to have Steam on my computer, I dont care if its better then it was a few years ago its my choice and I will not be made to look stupid or petty from suck ups on here, I like over 50 people on this thread alone will not buy it so you are looking at a loss of 50 x 30 = 1500 pound loss just because they dont want to use Steam, you say it will deter some people from getting pirated copies of games instead of buying it, the main reason why people download stuff i.e films, music, games etc cos in this current climate you cant afford to buy things, I aint saying I download Football Manager cos Ive always bought a copy despite the frustrating bugs, I think you will end up regretting this in the long run & I just hope its changed back to normal for the release of FM2013 which I look forward to playing on, Ill continue to play on FM2011 and I wish you luck on here.
But that comes later in life for some.
Can we stop all this bickering please, Steam won't adversely affect the functioning of a reasonable spec computer, if it does there's something amiss.
Nevertheless, it has a memory and processor footprint.
There is only one bad thing about Macs - the yes and no buttons on FM are the other way around.
I use both Macs and PCs and they're both as good as each other.
Incidentally, my current PC is 7 years old.
yeah yeah, keep on derailing the thread Dune... where's the infractions for Off-Topic posts Moderators? Do your job instead of inflaming the debate yourselves!
There is a noticeable amount of opposition to SI/SEGA's decision to go Steam-Only, there is also a noticeable amount of a "we don't care" attitude from SI/SEGA...
The enormous lack of respect for the current customer-base is unbelievable... we're the people that buy your game, not pirate it! We should have a choice!
I've made mine
What annoys me in the discussion is that preference always descends into some sanctimoniously entrenched bitchfest over brand loyalty rather than just accepting other peoples choice.
Dune297, I swear I can feel brain cells committing suicide whilst reading your posts.
Really is amusing and amazing that people will shoot themselves in the foot by not getting FM12 just because they are too stubborn to not get Steam, if you have a PC made in the last 3-4 years Steam should work with no problems at all, and unless your PC is ancient, then this really shouldnt be an issue. Ive had Steam for what must be 3-4 years and never had a single problem with it, download speeds are good, can run offline very easily, its running at about 40mbs atm, not slowing up my pc, i dont even notice it unless i want to play a Steam game.
Will wager that most of the people who say they wont be getting FM12 will have it within a month of release anyway though
Activision came out with the same thing as well.
Steam basically nullifies the used games market as you cannot resell your game.
And what about the Mac users? It runs at 150-200MB on idle.
Those people that aren't going to buy FM12 because of Steam, you are not big PC gamers are you?
You are basically forced to use Steam for PC gaming at the moment. Most big PC releases use Steamworks for DRM, we might not like it but we have to live with it if we want to play those games. I'm not a massive fan, Ive always tried to avoid it if possible and certainly never bought anything from them as it is a rip off. There are irritating things about it (having to manually tweak settings off for every game instead of having them turned off by default and giving you the option to turn them back on for individual games), but it is the least offensive Online DRM and it generally works better then everything else (GfWL, Ubisoft crap, etc...). Offline hasn't always worked perfectly for me, and that has been massively annoying but I wouldn't avoid a game because it was Steam unlike GfWL, Ubisoft, crap etc... On PC it barely effects a decent spec PC performance, it obviously has problems on Mac but gaming on a Mac has other problems anyway (chiefly that hardly any games bother to port over to Mac).
Steam is the best thing to happen to PC games probably in the history of PC games. Viva Steam. SI, you have my sword.
Also, I seriously dislike the idea that a company can decide on their own whim that I'm not allowed to play a game I've bought. Of course this happens very rarely. There's also the risk of the company (Steam company, Valve?) going bust, IIRC there was a music provider who went bust a few years ago (I don't remember the name), where people who have bought their music no longer could listen to it since they no longer could be authenticated.
I'm not that surprised of the decision SEGA and SI have made, although unhappy about it, but the timing of it is astonishing. If you bring news, which is likely to create negative reactions, wouldn't you normally do it at a time when you could reply and allay the fears which many apparently have, therefor not doing it Friday afternoon so the "outrage" won't built for 2½ day without much "fire extinguishing".
You can run Steam in offline mode, and play games in offline mode. I have, and have played FM2009 and FM2011 exactly like that. Activation is a once-off.
Also, sort of off the point, but saying Steam is a rip-off is laughable: they're one of the most competitive digital distributors, and there are always amazing deals and bundles on. Valve are probably the most admirable company working in videogames, and Steam probably the single most important piece of software.
Like, you kinda have to be a luddite not to appreciate it as an accomplishment.
As for your wager, perhaps you'd like to state an amount saying that I would be one of those to have it by November end? Before you do though, bear in mind that I walked away from buying a 40 grand car simply because, when I asked for a brochure, I was told to download it! Not, sure I'll go get you one, not I'm afraid I have to download it, no... You (I) will have to download it... yeah? You think? How about I buy my car from somewhere that has got a brochure? (which I did...). To play FM12 I must install Steam? How much do you really want to wager that I won't?
i just want to say: please, to the people that want to say no to STEAM: don't just make problems on the forum, DO NOT BUY THE GAME DEFINITELY, that one is the only way to have some attention on our "NO TO STEAM".
i'm also disappointed about...the SI\SEGA staff because they cannot say to us: -doesn't change anything for the genuine customers- or something like that.
i'm genuine customers too of FM\CM by 10-11 years....and for me change a lot because i cannot play anymore with FM.
my 2 cent,
However, you've made it abundantly clear so often that it's becoming spam, really you don't need to tell us again, nobody can be in any doubt about your views on the subject.
Can i uninstall steam after activation? Or do i need to have it open every time i play the game?
You have to have it open.
Right now on my machine I have it open with FM11 running and it's eating a whopping 70MB of my 4GB of RAM, and putting a hurt of 00% on my CPU.
What people don't seem to realize is that using Steam to play PC games in 2011 is sort of like using IE/Firefox/Chrome to browse the Internet. It's long since been adopted as the standard, and with good reason: it's great.
Last edited by Kriss; 17-09-2011 at 16:22. Reason: Naughty, tut, tut
Not much for me to say really - all the Steam bashing I could do has already been done. What I will do is register my unhappiness with SI and SEGA by virtue of this post.
I've recently graduated from University, and I'm sure other people are in the same boat as me when I say this, job hunting hasn't yet been as successful as I'd hoped. Consequently my finances aren't as good as they could be. I planned on budgeting my weekly spend in the lead up to release so that I could afford to buy FM2012 without feeling guilty. However with this announcement and my previous bad experiences of using Steam I have decided that I'm not going to buy or preorder FM2012. I am quite happy to continue using FM2011.
That is not to say I won't play FM2012, I have my birthday in December and obviously Christmas, so it's extremely likely that I will get a copy (my friends and family all know of my love of the game). I don't want to use Steam and am unhappy about having to do so, but I am resigned to this being the case. However I certainly won't be spending my money to buy the game because of it.
Also, thanks to x42bn6 for his informative posts. I've started following you on twitter as a result.
It's really hard for me -- and everyone at SI, I imagine -- to get my head around the fevered response to this.
It's like hearing people complain that to keep watching a boxset of their favourite show they're going to need a DVD player to put the discs in.
Only in this case the DVD player is free and also gives blowjobs.
Valve is a massive company, they arent going to go bust anytime soonAlso, I seriously dislike the idea that a company can decide on their own whim that I'm not allowed to play a game I've bought. Of course this happens very rarely. There's also the risk of the company (Steam company, Valve?) going bust, IIRC there was a music provider who went bust a few years ago (I don't remember the name), where people who have bought their music no longer could listen to it since they no longer could be authenticated.
All news will bring reactions, a few people are unhappy about this, fine, but if you have a decent internet connection, there is nothing to be angry about, even if you dont have one, you could go to a hotspot ( if you have a laptop ), get a wireless dongle, tether their phone or even take your computer round a friends/relatives who do have internet access. The only people who should be angry about this are those who have literally no access to the internet afer the methods ive listed above, it would be interesting to know how many of them there are, of course, they wont be reading this thoughI'm not that surprised of the decision SEGA and SI have made, although unhappy about it, but the timing of it is astonishing. If you bring news, which is likely to create negative reactions, wouldn't you normally do it at a time when you could reply and allay the fears which many apparently have, therefor not doing it Friday afternoon so the "outrage" won't built for 2½ day without much "fire extinguishing".
You are just 1 person ( not the majority i mentioned ), if you are literally too stubborn/lazy to go to a bit of effort to be able to play a game or buy a car, then your stubborness/laziness is only going to cost one person, you.As for your wager, perhaps you'd like to state an amount saying that I would be one of those to have it by November end? Before you do though, bear in mind that I walked away from buying a 40 grand car simply because, when I asked for a brochure, I was told to download it! Not, sure I'll go get you one, not I'm afraid I have to download it, no... You (I) will have to download it... yeah? You think? How about I buy my car from somewhere that has got a brochure? (which I did...). To play FM12 I must install Steam? How much do you really want to wager that I won't?
I've bought three PC games since January, all digital downloads and not one of them requires Steam. Two used a different sort of online activation and they load nothing extra when playing while the third I was emailed a an activation code.
Steam may be pushing to have a monopoly but they haven't got it yet.
People who've had problems with Steam in the past would obviously be concerned, although I believe it's improved enormously over the last couple of years and has never given me any problems.
Those who haven't even used it should really try before they call it a tool of the devil.
Those who refuse because it's third party software are making an irrational stand, nothing much on their PC would work without third party software so the only realistic objection can be that it affects performance or detracts from security, I don't believe it does either.
I will buy the boxed version of the game, after the steam-registered (of which I have an account to 2 years) I can easily get out of steam? or should I always keep it open, even in offline mode?
If you buy games only during Steam sales, then you will save an absolute packet.
If you buy games whenever you want only through Steam, then you will lose a lot of money. Their pricing is not competitive with the likes of Amazon/Zavvi/Base etc. Especially not in Europe.
Ha, sorry but what a joke. Like others, I don't care if it's just running in the background, I don't care if it doesn't take up to much space etc. I will NOT be forced to install Steam on my computer. There might not be a law against forcing folk to install other programs to play games and hell it may happen all the time but you are not dictating what I put on my pc. End of story. So that's another buyer lost.
Last edited by Kriss; 17-09-2011 at 16:48. Reason: Keep it clean
You are 'forced' to install an OS on your computer if you want it to start, and a browser if you want to go on the web, and Office (or equivalent) if you want to do word processing or spreadsheets. You are 'forced' to install iTunes if you own an iPod. You are 'forced' to install any number of piece of third party software to do anything on a computer, and I would wager that the same people who are complaining about the principle here have three different spyware-riddled browser toolbars on the go right now.
SI are not dictating what you put on your PC, you are.
ok, a couple of questions:
1) I buy the game, disc version, and install it on my PC. I need then to install Steam and activate the game. After this, can i let steam offline forever?
2) Every time i want to play FM, do i need to run steam first? Or i just need to double-clik my FM shortcut has i currently do?
3) When a patch is released, can i download it from SI website and install it manually as i currently do?
4) Am i obliged to patch the game? Or can i play the game with the first version, even after the release of 1 or 2 patches?
5) Where my FM save games are located? In my PC or in some server?
6) Can i still use programs like FMRTE or Fmscout if i want? And what about custom graphics?
Thks in advance to any repplys! And by the way, i think it would be great if a post were made answering this kind of questions! for me this is the important stuff!
2) If you double-click your FM shortcut, it will automatically open Steam and then launch the game.
3) The patches will install automatically when available, but you can tell them not to.
4) See above: you can choose not to update the game.
5) Your FM save games are located on your PC, though some of your settings can be saved to a cloud as well.
6) Yes, yes, and yes.
Steam is not needed to play a game - it is not the only way possible for a game to run on a computer, in the same way that it is only possible to view webpages in a browser of some description. Stop using those "arguments" because they don't wash.
Forcing people to use Steam is just poor. No one should be forced to do anything if they want to play a game, or run any software, or listen to some music.
2. Double-click the FM shortcut and it'll launch Steam automatically
3. I don't know
4. I don't think so. You can turn off auto-updates, but I've never tried it.
5. On your PC, in the same way as all previous FM games have
6. Yes and yes.


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GOVERNMENT REGULATION: Obama
Obama approaches regulation as a pragmatist. He wants "basic rules of the road" to make the economy more fair, based on the painstakingly thought-out views of Cass Sunstein, the University of Chicago scholar who headed his Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs for more than three years. Sunstein propounds a somewhat oxymoronic philosophy he calls "libertarian paternalism," which seeks to "nudge" people in the direction of rational behavior through rules and regulations that carefully balance costs and benefits. It attempts to reduce regulators' roles by requiring businesses to disclose, on their own, more information—say, about fees—in an easily accessible way. But it assumes that many people need government help to make informed decisions on such key issues as choosing a health care plan.
Obama tried to force greater transparency and oversight on Wall Street in the aftermath of the 2008 crash by pushing for the Dodd-Frank financial-reform law, but that stance brought him criticism from both the Right (for creating an overly broad set of rules) and the Left (for not doing enough about the too-big-to-fail problem and for only reluctantly backing tougher provisions such as the "Volcker Rule"). Even so, the administration created the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, where Director Richard Cordray is embracing the Sunsteinian view that government can keep a low profile as long as credit-card companies and banks comply with tougher rules requiring "smart disclosure" of fees and add-on costs. Obama takes the same approach to consumer regulation in general.
After having failed to enact large-scale regulatory changes—a new global climate-control treaty or even a domestic cap-and-trade law—Obama has settled for smaller-bore rules that fill in gaps, for example by curbing toxic emissions from power plants and by raising fuel-economy standards. At the same time, he has sought to neutralize criticism from conservatives by pushing some expansion of offshore oil and gas drilling, as well as the shale-drilling process known as "fracking." He wants to cut $4 billion a year in subsidies for big oil while fostering a revolution in natural-gas, wind, solar, and other new technologies.
Obama had one of the most controversial moments of his presidency when, in his 2010 State of the Union speech, he harshly criticized the Supreme Court's Citizens United decision as the justices sat in the House chamber. He said that the 5-4 ruling freeing corporations to spend unlimited sums on elections "reversed a century of law" and would "open the floodgates for special interests." Obama prohibits lobbyists from serving as campaign fundraisers, and he has sought to work pragmatically within the Citizens United ruling by pushing for his GOP-stymied Disclose Act, which requires all groups spending more than $10,000 on election-related advertising to publicly name donors who give $10,000 or more.
The administration says it saved $91 billion in net benefits—more than 25 times the figure in the first three years of the George W. Bush administration, and more than six times what the Clinton administration saved in its first three years.
Obama called the massive 2010 law, which curbs derivatives trading and imposes capital-reserves standards, "the toughest financial reform" since the Great Depression. But his administration had resisted some of the strictest provisions.
Obama imposed standards for mercury and other toxic emissions, but he also resumed drilling in the Gulf of Mexico after the BP oil-spill disaster.
Obama is pushing for a pared-down version of the campaign-finance law that requires groups to name donors.
Boris Bershteyn: The general counsel in the Office of Management and Budget recently replaced Cass Sunstein as acting director of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs. Sunstein, Obama's recently departed regulatory czar, asserted that a top-to-bottom review had saved billions of dollars more than the Bush and Clinton administrations had in their first three years.
Timothy Geithner: The Treasury secretary, the administration's longest-serving economic
official, has been the touchstone for Obama's middle-of-the-road regulatory approach to Wall Street reform, and he has declined to break up the too-big-to-fail banks.
This article appears in the August 25, 2012 edition of National Journal Magazine.


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Check out all of the new boards from Flip in their Fall '15 catalog.
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Check out all of the new boards from Flip in their Summer '15 catalog.
Good times roll-on in Part 2 of Flip's retreat to the remote desert compound of Sir Geoff Rowley.
The Flip team visits Tom Penny in France in 1999, bringing along a young Bastien Salabanzi for the first time. This episode is just too epic.
Denny composes masterful lines at some of the world's dreamiest spots, before closing things out on a big boy double set. Enjoy the show...
Denny talks about traveling, skating in Germany, and getting on Flip. Check it out.
This line is just a glimpse of what Denny has in store this coming Monday when his video part drops. Boom!
We all knew this dude was gnarly, but this part raises the bar even higher than we anticipated. Hammers galore... Goddamn homie!
All skaters, even ultra-consistent ones like Matt, will get tossed like a bag of rocks sometimes. Here he is doing a firecracker with his spine.
His part drops on Monday, so consider this a warning - Denny's board control is borderline criminal. Prepare yourself for a high-level display of technical expertise.
After a breakthrough few years of destruction in the streets and contest circuit alike, Matt Berger's mix of technical skating and raw power have earned him a spot as Flip Skateboards newest Pro!
The battles and injuries start to pile up for the Flip riders as the Sorry deadline nears. There's still plenty of makes though.
Here is where the big points are earned. This has to be the heaviest KOTR to date. Nollie 3-flip fs board? Jesus...
In this final episode, Nyjah continues his handrail assault, Majerus gets sent to the hospital and Clint dies for all his KOTR sins. Winners announced now!
As the teams converge in their final city, Curren battles Fat Bob, Smolik flexes his tech and Nyjah tackles two of the most hectic kinkers you'll ever see. Only one more episode before the winners are announced Saturday night!
Louie grinds a harsh 30, the rocks take revenge on Clint and Nyjah's piggyback ender has to be seen to be believed. New shit, KOTR-style!
Clive swaps spit, Raybourn goes Gou, Nyjah plays with fire and Louie takes it off the top rope as KOTR blazes on!
The shit hits the fan as KOTR reaches Skatopia - pipes, poultry, Peter Smolik and then somebody gets their windshield smashed in. And this is only the halfway point!
Majerus spins rail magic, Raybourn breaks the blunt fakie world's record and Nyjah makes out with himself?! Shit's getting' trippy out there on the KOTR.
Louie Lopez keeps it Cherry, Jaws takes the stank leg next level and Matt Berger boardslides the universe. Heavy duty!
Evan Smith gets a heavy NBD, Nyjah kills the MILF game and Majerus goes for the grind of his life. This KOTR is out of control!
Alec Majerus kills kinkers, Birdhouse joins Team Handsome and Nyjah and the ATL Twins get buck on Atlanta's Cyclops rail.
Episode one was just the beginning. Burger King, babes, buttholes, and much more brutality are a click away.
The hour is upon us! We present KOTR in all of its pee drinking, shit eating, booty twerking, hammer dropping, and point counting glory.
Check out all of the new products from Flip in their holiday '14 catalog.
KOTR is history but the winners won't be announced until AFTER the webisodes air, starting in November. The teams don't even know! In the meantime, check the best photos and videos from our #thrasherkotr2014 feed.
This year's mystery guests were all featured in the Osiris video, "The Storm". Which one is gonna give their team an edge over the others?
KOTR has begun... and we have the book right here. Take a peek and see what's in store for Element, Birdhouse, and Flip. We may even give YOU the opportunity to complete some challenges...
Which team is going to take King of the Road in 2014? Check the stats...
Birdhouse will be defending their 2013 title against heavweights, Element and Flip, starting Sept. 5th; battling their way East in one of the gnarliest KOTR line-ups yet! Which five skaters should each team bring? Check the poll and cast your votes!
Here's a mission to Melbourne and Sydney for the making of the Sorry video with Arto, Rowley, and Salabanzi. This also has a gnarly guest appearance by Dustin Dollin.
Here's another snapshot of those wild and wide-open days of skating and filming with the Flip team.
In the early 2000s, Barcelona was a mythical skate utopia. Here's Arto, Appleyard, Bastien, Rowley, and Boulala.
An entire city is one big skate daydream for this young Flip squad. Here's Arto, Geoff, Appleyard, Bastien, Boulala, and others.
Seeing how San Francisco is home of the only publication that matters, if your team is in the city and you don't stop by–you are losers. The Flip team came by today and all of this happened in 15-minutes. Smile for the camera boys, it's called face time.
Rain, security, and slams can't stop the Flip crew from ripping Miami.
Check out these clips from Flip of Louie Lopez and Curren Caples getting presented with their first pro boards.
Flip has brought on New York artist Jon Contino to keep things fresh and thriving.
Check out all of the new boards from Flip in their Spring '13 catalog.
Lance, Tom, Rune, Luan, Ben, Curren, Louie, and Greyson rip all terrains in this tour video.
So Cal Skateshop teamed up with Flip to bring you a limited run of boards featuring Lance Mountain's first graphic.
LA ripper Oscar Meza earned his place on the Flip Am squad in 2011, but an ankle injury pushed back his team intro video… Until now. You gotta see this.
Flip has a Tom Penny Extras video that was filmed and edited by Theo Hand during the making of "Sorry."
This video is SO insane. The idea that one road trip could produce this much footage is beyond belief. Every type of terrain gets annihilated here. As seen in the September mag.
Luan's pretty much gone beyond mere consistency. He's now into some next-level board control shit.
Rowley leads Flip's newer riders on a gnarly tour through the Southwest. This will be a must-see vid featuring Majerus, Luan, Nordberg, Caples and others.
Crawling on walls and having fun, Tim was a true original who created his own wild skate chapter in the 1990 Speed Wheels video. Geoff Rowley introduces a classic.
Bent metal and killer 'crete leaves Rowley half-wrecked. The Flip tour marches on.
Originally released during the 1999 ASR Tradeshow to preview the upcoming Flip video, featuring Geoff, Penny, Arto, Rune, and Boulala.
Trickular onslaught from the Flip team, Burnout style.
What happens in Vegas makes for excellent blogging.
There's not a ditch on Earth that Geoff Rowley won't session.
A bumper boat bust is the Flip team's gain on the road to Vegas.
The Flip team risks a royal zorching, starting the trip in an exposed desert pit.
The Flip team embarks on their big tour, but don't get too far thanks to Louie's killer capsule.
Flip is proud to announce the newest member of the Am squad, Greyson Fletcher.
Check out the new Rowley "Fast Times" cruiser and t-shirt from Flip.
Two lucky winners will receive this Flip x Nike Lance Mountain prize pack.
Flip has a clip filmed and edited by French Fred during the making of "Sorry."
Flip Skateboards is proud to announce the release of the limited edition Lance Mountain "Drain More Pools" board.
Flip has a clip of Tom Penny with extra footage from his Sorry part.
Flip has a new iPhone edit featuring David Gonzalez, Curren Caples, Lance Mountain, and more. Plus an appearance from Cheech and Chong.
Check out all of the new products from Flip in their Spring '12 catalog.
Flip welcomes their newest am, Alec Majerus, with this sick clip.
CCS has a couple video recaps of the Flip crew in LA and the Zero crew in SD.
Check out this new board series by artist, Pinky.
Flip has a killer introduction video for their new rider, Matt Berger.
Flip Skateboards has a new limited pro board series created by the psychedelic wonder, Pinky.
Penny, Gonzalez, Lopez, Langi, Caples, and more of the Flip team continue to stoke crowds in part 2 of their Euro tour.
Flip has an iPhone edit from some of their travels this Summer.
If Lance Mountain's ad for his cruiser board confused you, watch this video to see how they shot it.
Under the watchful eye of the grand master (Tom Penny), the Flip team invades the old world, delivering potions and spells to needy paupers along the way.
Check out the new products from Flip in their 2011 Fall/Holiday catalog.
Check out this clip of Lance Mountain, David Gonzalez, Andrew Langi, and Louie Lopez skating a backyard bowl.
The Flip team was recently demoing at the Arena Bekkestua Skatepark in Norway.
The 2002 Flip video was one of the most anticipated skate vids ever. Rune came through as always, and launched a bunch of his epic no-grab flip tricks.
Check out this video of Arto, Geoff and Ben exploring the depths of the Battle Bowl.
Flip has some footage of David, Rune, Luan, Curren, Langi and Nordberg skating Woodward West and the DC vert ramp.
The Flip team spent a rainy day killing the Epic Skatepark in Sacto.
Check out the second trailer for Flip's "The West Side Story."
Check out Geoff Rowley's part in the Rollersnakes video, "720″ from 1992.
Flip just posted Rune Glifberg's part from Rollersnake's "720" video (circa 1992).
Arto Saari got the cover of the new CCS—the footage and interview are on their site.
French Fred made this teaser for the Extremely Sorry video, between 2006 and 2008 at Geoff's Arizona retreat. Check it out.
Click here to enter to win an awesome prize pack and check out this video retrospect of Arto.
Check out this clip of Lance Mountain painting Arto "Doughboy" boards at last week's Agenda tradeshow.
Flip Skateboards would like to let you know that they've had a mutual parting of ways with Rodrigo TX.
Check out this clip of lazy daze and random moments from Flip.
Flip has a bunch of photos and a video clip from their recent West Coast tour.
Geoff met up with the artist who painted the IKON board series for a little video interview.
Andrew Langi, Louie Lopez, Curren Caples, and David Gonzalez rip some California skateparks in this clip from Flip.
The Flip family would like to extend this message to the corporates in skateboarding...
Ali explains the advantages of riding a Flip P2 board in this clip on their site.
Flip has more demo and boating footage from their trip to Philippines, featured in our September 2010 issue.
Arizona is one hell of a sweet skatespot. Rowley and TX rippin' the desert.
Flip has a new and improved website with tons of videos, team updates, and more.
The mountain lion's a bummer, but this Rowley alt edit is rad.
Flip's Extremely Sorry is now available in the iTunes store. Check out this newly edited trailer for the video.
Flip has part 1 up from their Philippines trip that's featured in our September mag.
Here's some outtakes, different angles, and never-before-seen madness from Bob's epic Flip part.
It might take three viewings to really comprehend how gnarly Rune is in this Flip highlight clip.
You can never get enough Lance. Check his trailer from Extremely Sorry.
Strange Notes is giving you the chance to win a "Lemmy" movie deck, signed by Mr. Kilmister himself.
As if the stakes weren't already high enough on Rowley's roof-gap impossible, it cost $22,000 as well. Flip tells the tale.
Flip just released a personal message from the man himself.
Just when you thought it was over Burnout is back with another installment from the Philippines with the Flip team.
Flip has a new video on their site of Ben Nordberg.
Burnout checks in from the busy streets of the Philippines with the Flip team.
Burnout checks back in from the Philippines with the Flip team.
Here's part three of Burnout's trip to the Philippines with the Flip team.
Flip has a clip of Andrew Langi and Louie Lopez shredding their mini.
Burnout explores some sewers with the Flip boys.
Burnout takes it to the O'Side ditch with the Flip team.
Here's the concluding part 4 of Geoff Rowley's interview with Lemmy of Motörhead, featured in our November '09 issue. Flip Skateboards "Extremely...
Part 3 of Geoff Rowley's interview with Lemmy of Motörhead.
Here's part 2 of Geoff Rowley's interview with Motörhead's Lemmy.
Here's part one of Geoff Rowley's video interview with Lemmy of Motörhead featured in our November '09 issue. Flip Skateboards "Extremely Sorry" DVD is out now; check the trailers here.
Here's some B-roll skating, interviews, and randumb nonsense from our day with Flip filming the Skatepark Round-Up.
Burnout has his trip with the Flip team up to SF for the Wallenberg weekend.
Burnout's tour with the Flip team in L.A.
Burnout has part two of his trip to Miami with the Flip team.
Burnout checks in from Miami with the Flip team.
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News about beer, including commentary and archival articles published in The New York Times.
Chronology of Coverage
Sep. 1, 2015
The Appraisal column; North Brooklyn, once the brewing capital of New York State, is beginning to recover some of its beer-related heritage; developers of apartment complexes replacing Schaefer and Rheingold breweries plan to commemorate factories' past; new, smaller breweries have also begun to crop up in area. MORE
Aug. 14, 2015
General Mills' Wheaties is joining with Fulton Brewery to create limited-edition beer called HefeWheaties. MORE
Aug. 6, 2015
Gadgetwise column; new smart devices for the home are described, including internet-connected beer brewing unit and wi-fi signal range extender with LED light bulb. MORE
Jul. 29, 2015
Ligaya Mishan Close at Hand column; Juan J Camilo, founder of Dyckman Beer Company, says his most treasured kitchen instrument is a hydrometer, which he uses to estimate alcohol by volume of beer. MORE
Jul. 26, 2015
Evan Rail travel article describes six-day tasting tour of local brews in Yorkshire, England, region famous for its pub culture. MORE
Jul. 22, 2015
Eric Asimov The Pour column appreciates gose, ancient German style of tart wheat beer that is gaining popularity in United States after being virtually unknown; though only handful of German varieties are imported, American brewers are beginning to produce it. MORE
Apr. 29, 2015
Anheuser-Bush InBev incurs widespread ire from women after placing controversial label on some of its Bud Light bottles; language, which suggests beer helps remove word 'no' from a drinker's vocabulary, is seen as deeply insensitive in light of public outcry over campus rape. MORE
Apr. 17, 2015
Canadian province of Ontario will open its $3 billion retail beer market by allowing 1,500 supermarkets to sell the product; shift will open competition to small breweries, ending years of monopoly by Brewers Retail, chain owned by Anheuser-Busch InBev, Molson Coors and Sapporo Brewery. MORE
Apr. 8, 2015
Florence Fabricant Front Burner column notes that Pennsylvania beer Prima Pils is using its brewing leftovers to make pasta; other food news and items noted. MORE
Mar. 18, 2015
Eric Asimov Beers of The Times tasting panel samples 20 American lagers. MORE
Mar. 7, 2015
Desire on part of provincial officials in Ontario, Canada, to increase revenue is raising possibility that quasi-monopoly enjoyed by Brewers Retail, company that makes 80 percent of sales in province, could be broken up; independent beer makers have long argued that current system perpetuates dominance in market of larger beer brands. MORE
Feb. 15, 2015
Steve Reddicliffe reviews Craft Beer and Wine Bar at DeCicco's, located on upper level of DeCicco's grocery store in Armonk (Metropolitan/Westchester). MORE
Feb. 5, 2015
Craft beer industry insiders are split about future of booming industry, with some, like Harpoon Brewerey co-founder Rich Doyle, believing that current exuberance will leave in its wake faltering breweries that can be acquired by their better-off competitors; Doyle's partners disagreed with his view, and believe that industry can continue as collection of independent, local operators, so Doyle cashed out. MORE
Jan. 12, 2015
Heineken USA's Newcastle Brown Ale introduces campaign to recruit 20 to 30 other beer marketers to incorporate their logos into commercial that will be aired during Super Bowl broadcast; ad will be shown online and on local NBC affiliates. MORE
Jan. 6, 2015
New England Brewing Company apologizes after being criticized for putting Mohandas Gandhi's name and image on its Gandhi-Bot India pale ale; Gandhi favored prohibition. MORE
Dec. 5, 2014
Elizabeth Herndon wins elite women's race at the first beer mile world championships in Austin, Tex, setting world record of 6 minutes 17.76 seconds. MORE
Dec. 3, 2014
More than 150 runners will compete in the beer mile world championships in Austin, Tex, competition that requires runners to chug four beers, one before each quarter-mile. MORE
Nov. 23, 2014
Claire Martin Prototype column focuses on Brewbot, company co-founded by Chris McClelland that is developing a small-scale brewing machine that will allow amateurs and professionals to create craft beer. MORE
Oct. 8, 2014
Editorial warns that if beer manufacturer Anheuser-Busch InBev's effort to purchase SABMiller is successful, about 30 percent of $150 million per year global beer industry will be controlled by one company; says that such large scale consolidation, which has already occurred elsewhere in industry, leads to higher prices and fewer choices; contends that regulators should not approve InBev-SABMiller deal unless SABMiller divests its Miller brand beers. MORE
Oct. 5, 2014
Gustave Axelson travel article describes trip to Chicago, city known for its love of wood and barrel aged beers. MORE
Sep. 15, 2014
The bid by the second-largest beer company in the world fueled speculation of deals on the horizon, but closing them may not be so easy. MORE
Jun. 12, 2014
Yoga classes that come with post-class beer, often held in breweries, are growing trend across country. MORE
May. 28, 2014
Eric Asimov The Pour column examines Peekskill Brewery's Simple Sour, brew available only on tap at great beer destinations. MORE
May. 27, 2014
Research teams from yeast distributor White Labs and a Belgian genetics laboratory are mapping genealogy of yeasts used to brew beer to better understand their evolution and effect on taste; researchers have sequenced DNA of more than 240 strains of brewing yeasts from around world. MORE
May. 25, 2014
Flagship Brewing Company has brought craft brewing trend, already represented in many of city's other boroughs, to Staten Island; venture, begun by three born-and-raised Staten Islanders, is borough's first craft brewery. MORE
May. 21, 2014
Well-conceived, well-made beer cocktails are well suited to summer; their effervescence can add lightness and length, creating a drink one can linger over. MORE
May. 11, 2014
Chuck Klosterman The Ethicist column answers questions about marketing of beer, presence of someone found guilty of sexual assault in a college-affiliated student group, and adopting pets from shelters. MORE
Apr. 27, 2014
Osaka, Japan, is increasingly becoming destination to taste domestic craft beer, with growing microbrewery scene offering varied styles from fruit beer and porters to ales and IPAs. MORE
Apr. 17, 2014
Govino, known for making plastic wineglasses, introduces affordable yet classy plastic beer glass. MORE
Apr. 12, 2014
Many members of Congress are rallying to the cause of their home-state craft beer makers, working with small brewers and their lobbying group, Brewers Association; are seeking to pass bill that would exempt brewers from grain sale regulation and have also been pressing for law that would reduce a tax on small brewers. MORE
Mar. 30, 2014
Danish brewery Mikkeller and Brooklyn-based brewery Evil Twin are run by twin brothers Mikkel Borg Bjergso and Jeppe Jarnit-Bjergso, respectively, and both are widely lauded for their unique flavors; twins are not on good terms and do not speak; Mikkel is credited with being one of the first so-called phantom brewers, who do not own actual brewing facilities. MORE
Mar. 30, 2014
Op-Ed article by Brooklyn Brewery founder Steve Hindy holds that state franchise laws, which govern how beer is distributed, limit consumer choice by keeping small and start-up breweries from moving easily into new markets; calls for states, in recognizing that small breweries bring jobs and tourism, to push back against distributors and their lobbyists and offer greater control over distribution to brewers. MORE
Mar. 30, 2014
Evan Rail Choice Tables column on notable restaurants in and near Brussels, where beer is found not only in the glass but as an upfront ingredient in cooking. MORE
Mar. 27, 2014
David W Dunlap Building Blocks column on unearthing of parts of long-vanished Jacob Ruppert & Company brewery, in Yorkville neighborhood of Manhattan; excavation in preparation for construction of 35-story apartment building developed by Related Companies unearths two arched openings of brewery, which once produced best-selling beer in American in early 20th century, before closing in 1965. MORE
Mar. 2, 2014
Several small-batch breweries have opened in Connecticut over period of two years, aided by change in state law that allows direct sale of their products to consumers (Metropolitan/Connecticut). MORE
Feb. 19, 2014
Stuart Elliot Advertising column; MillerCoors is introducing Miller Fortune, brew with higher alcohol by volume, which is meant to appeal to consumers in their 20s who prefer to buy liquor; in effort to create a more sophisticated image for the beer, company is launching big advertising campaign using commercials that feature British actor Mark Strong. MORE
Jan. 19, 2014
Claire Martin Prototype column; Greensboro, Vt, brewer Shaun Hill, who runs Hill Farmstead Brewery, produces only 60,000 gallons of beer annually, and his highly sought-after beers are available for purchase only at the brewery and about 20 Vermont bars; he has no plans for expansion; brewery offers lessons in how limiting production can bring success. MORE
Jan. 11, 2014
Voters in rural Thailand have begun boycotting the popular Singha beer brand because of its affiliation to the leader of antigovernment protests. MORE
Dec. 29, 2013
Gastro pubs popping up across Westchester have brought hundreds of craft beers to attention of diners and chefs, who are increasingly using beer as ingredient in food (Metropolitan/Westchester). MORE
Dec. 20, 2013
A Quiet Drink column on Top Hops, on Lower East Side and Good Beer, in East Village; both are designed to be more than stores, offering beer to purchase while offering a bar to sit down and have drinks with friends. MORE
Nov. 17, 2013
Travel Q&A; Brooklyn Brewery brewmaster Garrett Oliver discusses beer drinking in Sweden; he will open a Stockholm brewery in February 2014. MORE
Nov. 10, 2013
Shivani Vora travel article on breweries and craft beer bars in Orlando, Fla, area. MORE
Oct. 20, 2013
Evan Rail travel article on brewpubs in Berlin, Germany. MORE
Oct. 18, 2013
Duvel Moortgat Brewery of Belgium announces deal to buy the Boulevard Brewing Company, craft brewery in Kansas City, Mo; acquisition highlights growing European interest in American craft beers, which have rapidly grown in popularity domestically. MORE
Sep. 26, 2013
Dublin Journal; critics say that Arthur's Day in Ireland, which began in 2009 to mark the 250th anniversary of Guinness, is nothing but an excuse for binge drinking. MORE
Sep. 1, 2013
Neighborhood Joint column on Montauk Brewing Company; home brewery and bar grew out of home brews of East Hampton natives Vaughan Cutillo, Joseph Sullivan and Eric Moss; founders began company in 2012 in woodworking shop belonging to Cutillo's father. MORE
Aug. 19, 2013
A study found that five beer brands were consumed most often by people who ended up in the emergency room. MORE
Aug. 4, 2013
Former investment banker and airline executive Mazen Hajjar started 961 Beer, rare Middle East microbrewery outside Beirut, Lebanon; brewery produces almost two million liters annually, is expanding internationally, and expects to break even for first time in 2013. MORE
Jul. 17, 2013
Nearly a dozen nanobreweries have opened in and around New York City in the past few years; nanos, as they are known in the beer trade, are basically souped-up home-brewing operations whose owners have decided to go commercial, but still hold tight to a do-it-yourself ethic. MORE
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Highlights From the Archive
Merger for SABMiller and Molson Coors
The joint venture, to be known as MillerCoors, will become a more formidable No. 2 challenger to Anheuser-Busch, which has long dominated the American market.October 10, 2007 businessNews
General Mills Plans the Beer of Champions
Wheaties says it is teaming with a craft brewery to create a limited-edition beer, to be called HefeWheaties.
August 14, 2015, Friday
MORE ON THE BEER INDUSTRY AND: General Mills Inc , Fulton Beer , Beer
Diving Headfirst Into the Internet of Things
The idea that all products will someday be connected to the Internet has spurred inventions like an automatic home brewery and a smart toothbrush.
August 6, 2015, Thursday
MORE ON THE BEER INDUSTRY AND: Home Automation and Smart Homes , Beer , Electric Light Bulbs , Wireless Communications , Toothbrushes and Toothpaste , Air Conditioning , Cameras , Withings
Pabst Brewing Plans a Return to Milwaukee
Pabst said its new brewery would make many of its pre-Prohibition brands, as well as new craft beers.
July 16, 2015, Thursday
MORE ON THE BEER INDUSTRY AND: Pabst Brewing Co , Milwaukee (Wis) , Beer
Bud Light Withdraws Slogan After It Draws Ire Online
A phrase appearing on some labels was seen as tone-deaf to the dangers of excessive alcohol use and particularly to alcohol's role in some cases of date rape.
April 29, 2015, Wednesday
MORE ON THE BEER INDUSTRY AND: Anheuser-Busch InBev NV , Beer , Labeling and Labels (Product) , Women and Girls , Sex Crimes , Advertising and Marketing , Social Media
Ontario Will Loosen Rules to Allow Beer Sales in Largest Supermarkets
The province will allow about a third of its 1,500 largest supermarkets to sell beer, but they will not be permitted to sell anything larger than a six-pack.
April 17, 2015, Friday
MORE ON THE BEER INDUSTRY AND: Beer , Brewers Retail Inc , Antitrust Laws and Competition Issues , Ontario (Canada) , Shopping and Retail , Wynne, Kathleen O'Day (1953- )
Ontario's Beer Bottleneck Is Under Siege by Brewers and Buyers
Retailers, beer makers and the provincial government are increasingly skeptical of the longstanding retail system for beer sales.
March 7, 2015, Saturday
MORE ON THE BEER INDUSTRY AND: Ontario (Canada) , Brewers Retail Inc , Beer , Antitrust Laws and Competition Issues , Shopping and Retail , Prices (Fares, Fees and Rates)
Red Bull Opposes a Brewery That Uses 'Ox' in Its Name
In response, Old Ox Brewery in Ashburn, Va., compared Red Bull's action to that of a "corporate wedgie."
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The Best Justice Money Can Buy
The US legal system often seems skewed in favor of those who can afford the best representation. Would justice be better served by having lawyers assigned randomly? What might the unintended consequences be of such a system?
Jul 10 2013: David Grammer, thank you,
I cannot even envision how local, state or federal government might change to
free us all from the morass that today exists.
Perhaps, were all the other types of legal/justice systems be laid before a panel
of qualified experts, some relief of the current system might be found.
Some ideas.
Eliminate the limited liability laws that exist and provide protections
as a carrot on a stick to corporations.
Eliminate corporations that require stockholder participation and
Eliminate the stock markets that trade their paper.
Eliminate the rules of commerce.
Eliminate weapons and ammunition.
Eliminate the military.
Eliminate war.
Re-boot.Jul 10 2013: David Grammer,
The US legal system is skewed in favor of those who can afford the
best representation.
To those non-believers out there. .. Merely take a tour of your local
county jail, or a look at your State Prison.
Be sure to visit those Dungeons used as punishment cells.
With full time Lights on or off?
..And don't ask what day you get out. ..Ask what season.
Having Lawyers at all is at best a nasty thought, and an expensive one.
Would justice be better served by having lawyers assigned randomly?
Not for the Lawyers.
They would have to find a way around such a system.
Otherwise they would go broke quick.
What might the unintended consequences be of such a system?
No change. ..Our legal system is corrupt bottom to top.
The ballpark belongs to the Justices. ..They make the rules and
the rules do not favor the accused. Poor Lawyers get Poor Perps.
When the biggest building in town is the Court House, you know
something is rotten in Denmark.
Why over the years, the crooks haven't rebelled is a mystery.
..If they ever did, Justice would have to change.
Go back to sleep Judge, no worries!!!
Jul 10 2013: How might the current system be changed; both what might those changes be and how might they be effected?Jul 8 2013: What are some possible solutions?
Jul 9 2013: make more money, by whatever means. :)Jul 8 2013: The best that money can buy is the way it is unless maybe we made it a requirement that a defense attny won a % of cases as a public defender and that a certain % were taken to court and won before allowing them to practice privatlyJul 8 2013: There was an example of this - a documentary produced by the BBC at the time of the OJ Simpson trial. It compared his trial with the trial(s) of peoples in New York, and how on average they stood in front of the judge for less than 2 minutes. Everyone took a plea bargain, innocent or not. It also highlighted one case where the lawyer was a no show, and the accused was given by the judge 2 minutes leeway, for the lawyer to show. He didn't, the man went to jail. There were literally NO jury cases, the state decided that it was a cost ineffective system, even though people where "technically" allowed to have them.
Fair, justice, innocent or guilt, seem to be directly related to the wealth one has. And supermarket justice for everyone else.
Interestingly your social question, was asked in a film entitled "And Justice for all",
a time when films were more interested in raising social issues, like you've done, than with the dumbing down of everyone with imaginary superfluous superheros.Jul 8 2013: The US legal system IS skewed in many ways.
Jul 8 2013: How could it be improved?
Jul 8 2013: By starting all over again. A refreshing without any use of violence or force. A massive gathering of unity, goodness, and equality? Much time needed to think about this. Much less of a monetary system to start with.Jul 6 2013: Yes, lawyers should be assigned randomly. A capitalist justice system is a blatantly corrupt system. Justice should not be for sale.Jul 6 2013: IMO justice would be bettered served if juries were replaced with judges.
It would speed up the trial process and cut down on the cost.
I think I remember someone saying that lawyers prefer a judge trial if they have a strong case and a jury trial if they have a weak case.
Any visions of 12 angry men type juries are not realistic. In today's world you are lucky if you have 12 rational men.
But yes it definitely favors a defendant who has a good/expensive lawyer. Would OJ have gotten off if not for good lawyers?
Jul 6 2013: Pat, in India we have a judge based judiciary and people lament for juries. Indian village courts have history of centuries to be run by council of judges (usually 5 but in cases more than that) since it is popularly believed that justice is better dispensed by joint or collective decisions.
To incorporate the traditional wisdom, Indian courts have benches that are comprised with multiple judges. But these judges normally hear constitutional or public interest litigation not common crime.


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Michelangelo Antonioni's panoramas of contemporary alienation were decade-defining artistic events, and Red Desert, his first color film, is perhaps his most epochal. This provocative look at the spiritual desolation of the technological age - about a disaffected woman, brilliantly portrayed by Antonioni muse Monica Vitti, wandering through a bleak industrial landscape beset by power plants and environmental toxins, and tentatively flirting with her husband's coworker, played by Richard Harris - continues to keep viewers spellbound. With one startling, painterly composition after another, Red Desert creates a nearly apocalyptic image of its time, and confirms Antonioni as cinema's preeminent poet of the modern age.
Cast: Monica Vitti, Richard Harris, Rita Renoir, Xenia Valderi, Carlo Chionetti
Produced by: Tonino Cervi
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It has long been suspected that stress can contribute to heart attacks, but this has been a bit difficult to prove.
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One type of heart trouble, called takotsubo cardiomyopathy, or broken heart syndrome, has been linked directly to stress or severe emotional trauma. People experience chest pain as part of the heart temporarily enlarges and does not pump well. The condition is often reversible after the stressor is relieved.
It is possible to prevent stress from triggering a heart attack in someone who is already at risk. First, pay attention to the traditional risk factors for a heart attack: stop smoking, keep blood pressure and cholesterol levels in check and get screened and treated for diabetes. Second, figure out ways to gain control over the stressors in life. (For example, if your weight is causing your stress, follow a healthy diet and keep a goal weight in mind.) Third, start an exercise program (such as walking) and reserve part of every day for this activity. And fourth, participate in a social activity on a regular basis. Participation in volunteer activities and religious groups, as well as caring for a pet, have been shown to decrease stress levels.
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I CARVED AN EPIC PUMPKIN! It even has ears! Biggest accomplishment of my life!!!!
Good job!I had a dream about the girl I like, and in it she told me that she loved me… Life sucks, don't it?
I had a dream about the girl I like, and in it she told me that she loved me… Life sucks, don't it?
Why would that suck?!?! I mean, she didn't try telling you about the kid in her algebra class she thinks is the hottest creature she's ever see whend that girl definitly isn't you, because that would sorta suck. But then you realize the big picture and how little crushes matter.
Awesomeness on a stick: Today I got to wear my epic boots. It was epic.
The fact that it was only a dream is the fact that sucks… What kind of boots are they?
What kind of boots are they?
I have no idea XD Warm ones? XD
Back on topic (I am sorry about that chick-thing-probolem-stuff you got going on, though): I got into a fight with my crush/best friend, and it almost turned into a fist-fight, but I left, and then I had to walk into English class near-tears (I REALLY don't like fighting), but then I talked to one of our mutual friends about it during class and she talked me through it AND I MADE EVERYTHING ALL BETTER AGAIN AND THE BAD TENSION THAT WE'VE HAD FOR A FEW DAYS IS DYING-DOWN!!!! (All caps=awesomest thing today, but I couldn't explain the awesomeness without explaining the rest first, but there ya go!)
Could you repeat that?
Could you repeat that?
Simplified: I always fall for the psychotic ones, and we've been arguing for days (or weeks, I can't really remember), but I managed to fix it all with one sentence: "I've been doing some thinking, and I realized that I don't give a f**k what you do, as long as it makes you f*****g happy, b***h," and then we hugged and it was all better again! All fixt-ed-ed!
Another awesome thing today: I've been listening to great music, and it's putting me in a good mood!
Well, thats some lovely language you were using… And what music is it?
Well, thats some lovely language you were using… And what music is it?
Yup, I'm a real charmer ;D And I've been listening to a lot of Simon Curtis and I've also been listening to this song called "Hatef**k" by The Bravery, and it's SUPER catchy! Plus You're So Damn Hot by Okay Go which is also SUPER catchy!
Awesomest thing today: OH MY GOD, UMINEKO: NO NAKU KORO NI! It's restored my faith in anime, it's so weuifhnerifbeyidbnwiednuewidnuewidn wunderbar!!!! I've been watching it for seven hours stright, only pausing to check other sites/use WC/do other various things when I'm waiting for another episode to load AND OH MY GOD IT'S AMAZING!!!! (And the greatest thing is that the whole "we pretend to like each other but will start suspecting each other of horrible things at the first signs of trouble" thing reminds me of my family WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE IT MEANS I'M MARIA AND SHE PROBABLY HAS THE MOST DIGNITY IN THE SHOW! Booh-yah!!!!)
WHAT THE HACK? I AM LOST IN A DESERT. Awesomest thing today: I PLAYED SKYRIM! BEST F***ING GAME EVER!
Not as bad as if you were lost in a dessert, suffocating in chocolate and sugar. Actually, I'm torn on whether that's legendary or terrifying….*thinks back to Umineko and the Rosa/Maria vs. Eva scene* ....Nevermind, it's awful.
That would be awful. I HATE CELERY!
That would be awful. I HATE CELERY!
Celery is awesome.
To get back on topic: Oh my god, my friend and I started debating which one would top if two of our friends hooked up, it was great, it got super heated and we were, like, text yelling at each other XD
Well, that escalated quickly. So I guess you cannot change your screen name without a password from Foaly? It says your current password, but I put mine in and it says it is incorrect.
Also, do you happen to have a Facebook?
Well, that escalated quickly. So I guess you cannot change your screen name without a password from Foaly? It says your current password, but I put mine in and it says it is incorrect.
Also, do you happen to have a Facebook?
1. I don't think you can do anything but post. Not that it matters too much to me. I do miss P.M.s though….
2. Nope. Facebook annoys me.
On topic: Today I started listening to more songs by The Bravery AND THEY ARE AWESOME!


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