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|7 years ago :: Mar 10, 2008 - 6:32PM #1
Hello, I am new to this site. I don't know how to do anything fancy with my site. So bear with me.
I also posted under Relationships. But decided to post here too in order to get all the advice and support I can. It is diffcult to get online everyday if my husband is here because I really don't care for him to know I am writing on this forum. So if you don't see or hear from me for several days you will understand why. I will be here when possible.
I am here for all the support , advice and help God can provide through others.
There are far to many issues to go into here in a public forum. But I am looking for others who have or are going through a simliar situation that can offer advice and support.
My husband and I are in our 50's and Christians.
We have been married for almost 7 years and I am experiencing verbal and emotional abuse from my husband. I also just recently discovered that he has placed an online ad for a "discreet affair". I have not yet confronted my husband about this. I am seeing my pastor and my counselor first to get some advice. I don't want to scream and yell about this. I want to approach this in a calm manner. My husband is certainly addicted to "smutty" pictures online and "looking" at other women online whether at U-tube or any other site. This has been going on for quite some time. My husband says " all men look." I said " NO , not all men "look" and I reminded him that the "WORD" says any man who looks at another woman already commited adultery in his heart." That hasn't stopped him. :-( This online activity has severely impacted our relationship. I don't feel secure or loved and all trust for and in my husband is pretty well gone at this point.
He of course thinks that I am to blame for a great many things in the marriage, including his anger management problem, the lack of intimacy in our marriage and for not meeting all his needs, just to name a few things.
I have all the responsibilities that biblically belong to the husband in this marriage. I am physically and emotionally drained.
I know this is a toxic relationship. I know we are both unhappy. I have tried to be a Godly wife but all the issues in this marriage make it difficult to be the wife I would love to be. His issues have built a huge wall. He doesn't like or love himself. This just complicates things further. He threatens to leave on a regular basis. I don't make threats to end the marriage. I don't believe in making threats. I have tried desperately to save our relationship for the past 5 years by seeking marital help. He went willing, but didn't carry through with the advice we were given. We have both been in counseling, both marriage and individual counseling. It is so hard when you are the only one trying to make things work!!!
I am still in counseling. But, my husband stopped going about 4-5 months ago. I think he just doesn't want to be accountable to anyone for his actions. Things have gotten worse over these months.
He travels with his job. He doesn't work full time but gets paid for full time. It's the nature of the job. He has only been working about 4-5 times a month. The rest of the time he is home 24/7. This doesn't help! He either watches TV or is on the computer. To be together so much and not get along is terribly difficult.
He manipulates, controls and is a taker. He is rarely a giver. He doesn't have a great relationship with anyone at the moment and really doesn't stay in regular contact with anyone except for 2 family members.
He has no friends here. His only freinds and family are in his hometown. He moved to my town from out of town when we got married. He has no social life, no hobbies to speak of. He has a variety of health issues, many due to his weight issues.
He resents me doing things with my friends. He thinks he should be included in all my activities. He says he doesn't want to be included, but then is very resentful whenever I get together with my girlfriends.
As a Christian, I love him as the Lord loves him and my heart aches for him. When we got married he was on fire for God and one could tell he loved God with all his heart. But now it seems he has abondoned God and everything associated with God. I know God is the only one who can "fix" my husband. But, I am beginning to believe he doesn't want "fixed". It is heart wrenching to see him like this.
My emotional and physical health is suffering from all the stress.
I have no energy for anything.
It is so simple for everyone to say, " just end the marriage". But as many women can identify with , there are many issues especially financial that enter the picture when making such a decision.
As with so many other women , living on my own financially would be a real challenge for a variety of reasons.
Aside from this, I believe in commitment and far too many couples divorce the minute they face any issues in their marriage.
I am middle aged ( as is my husband ) and I know what I need to do. But, I haven't worked in about 12 years and I am on disability. It is extremley difficult to be on my feet for any length of time due to injuries to my ankles. I have been in the medical profession and don't really have any other training. So much has changed in the medical field in the past 12 years. I know I couldn't go back to school.
There is no doubt that we are both hurting. I recognize that my husband has so many emotional issues from his past that he needs healing from before he can continue in life in a healthy relationship. I am his 4th wife.:-(
I now recognize that he has brought all the issues into each of his marriages. His first two marriages only lasted a year. But I excused those because he was young when he married both times. The third time hewas married for 14 years and they had 3 kids. From his description I thought his ex was the real problem. Now that I have gotten to know his youngest daughter ( 20 yrs old ) I understand how unhealthy the marriage was. I now understand why each ended. I now know he left a lot of important information out when we were dating. I was far too trusting. I now realize that. You know what they say about hindsight!!
I know there are so many others that have been through similair circumstances and I want to hear from you and how you made it through. How did you manage? If your husband was addicted to online porno were you able to help him stop? How? If you have been through verbal and emotional abuse how did you survive it?
If you decided to end the marriage how did you plan for it?
I know I am a survivor and that God will get me through this just like every other trial I have been through. I just need support and prayers!!!!!
I hope to hear from those who have helpful advice and support. I am a good listener, so I am more than happy to listen to what others are going through.
God Bless!!!! Have a Blessed Day!!!!!
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|7 years ago :: Mar 10, 2008 - 9:08PM #2
I'm new to this site, too. I read your post and nodded my head to nearly everything you said. I've been through the whole thing you mentioned. 14 yrs of agonizing hell. Fear, loss of self respect et cetera. Take your religion out of it and ask yourself why you're staying. These AREN'T just issues. The man has many very serious problems -as a guess misogyny could be one of them- and he isn't going to love you just because you put up with his junk. If anything his regard for you probably couldn't go any lower. Take off your rose-colored glasses. It isn't going to get any better. Honey, how many times has he said he'll change? If he was he going to changed he'da done it by now. Does he blame his childhood? He's hiding behind his view of your religion. Man is the boss and you are his servant. Sorry, sister. No longer. You are on disability. You get X amount. If you weren't used to the life style you are living now, of course knowing nothing about you, can you live within your means while getting disability? Take an online course or three to brush up the areas you're weak in. BABYSIT. Be a safe place for Teen girls to come to until the parent(s) get home. As a medical professional you know about women's shelters. That's why they are there. For these very situations. Why are you allowing your pride/fear/fill in the blank/ to hold you in a dangerous situation? Are you accepting the blame he heaps on you? Are there children involved?
My ex husband was an violently, destructive,abusive drunkard addicted to gay porn. (If he had come out of the closet the poor thing would have been so much happier). As it was, he was drunk early into our marriage and oh yes the proverbial christian, godlover. Yeah. When I said NO MORE he attempted suicide 3 times. This is the ultimate control because of "what if he does"...Second time the police came to my work to tell me what the husband tried. Quite, quite severe. The officer also explained there are three types of suicides: Those who do it and not say anything. Those who think they do until they actually try and they call for help. The third is spousal control... Ex tried to call me at work before he did his dastardly deed. No doubt to threaten me with his suicide if I didn't take him back. He was involuntarily committed for psychiatric evaluation. I'm angry but I'm angry for you since it seems right now you are not capable to be angry for your self. If you feel this post is objectionable please tell the moderator. It is harsh. Look at what you wrote, in your anguish, objectively, and tell me: What would you tell your dearest girl friend? I'm boodlebear. Visit me if you wish.
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|7 years ago :: Mar 10, 2008 - 9:31PM #3
God did not intend for us to be miserable in our marriage. If you are looking for an answer, to say its OK to let go now, and that you have done everything YOU could possible do, then I think God would say its time for you to seek a better life. You have done your part by hanging in there, and trying to make things better, but you said he hasn't applied counseling advice, nor does he care to continue trying to make things better. I think that as long as you continue the relationship on his terms (i.e. letting him talk to you however he wants to, surfing the net for porm, & soliciting other women), then he won't ever make an effort to change, and things will just continue to be the same way.................... I believe, ultimtely in Gods eyes, he does not expect you to keep fighting, while continuosly being disrespected, and getting nowhere. God will not let you endure more than what you can handle, or what is right........... I know that in Gods 'time" he does work miracles, and people do change, however, people, have to be willing to make the effort to do so........... if this involves starting divorce proceedings, then that is what it might take for him to know just how serious the situation is............ and if that does not make him want to takes some serious messures in his life to keep his marriage together, then he will NEVER change his behavior...............
There is NO excuse for verbal abuse !!! You really need to sit down and talk with him, and tell him that he must seek counseling, or the marriage is over........... it takes drastic measures, to make drastic changes in some people................ and at least you know by talking to him, and making a stand, you have done everything in your heart to "make the change".............. if he says he does not want to work on saving the marriage, and he doesn't care about ending the marriage, then you need to know that as well,............ accept it, and change YOUR world, if you cannot change the situation................. that excuse that he is making about "ALL the guys are doing it",,,,,,,,,,, is a cop-out. Sure most men, including My husband look at women on-line.......... and I am not saying that this is right either,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, however it is definately wrong to act on those behaviors like, suggestion of corresponding with these women, entering chat room with this women, on line sex with this women, etc.......... And I do believe that he is probably seeking his support elsewhere, because that need in his life is not being filled either.......two people simply should not continue a marriage together that they aren't BOTH willing to work on it........the special needs that people have, need to be fullfilled from each other ....couples, by right should have the feeling of security, and to know that they are the most important thing in the world to that other person.........(other than GOD)................. To be treated with respect, love, & friendship is ultimately what everyone wants in a marriage...... and this should be the goal for each spouse................... anyways, I really do think that only counseling (and definately his "willingness" to continue seeking help) could even save this marriage......................however, you said you already tried that avenue........... Sister, I really think its just time for you to really ask God to help you take that first step.............. keep praying to God, and looking to him for the answers.............. trust in him, and he will show you the way.
take care
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|7 years ago :: Mar 10, 2008 - 9:52PM #4
Unless of course you are actually hoping someone's going to tell you to stay. Then all this is for naught. But, maybe not. Maybe you just need a fire lit under your tail to get you started thinking of your LIFE.
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|7 years ago :: Mar 11, 2008 - 12:57PM #5
Hi Joy',
Welcome and sorry for what has brought you here. I just wanted to chime in with agreement to what the previous posters have written. I was in the same situation as you with my exH of 17 yrs. and it is painful in and painful getting out but in the end the weight that was released from me was bittersweet. I feel your pain and helplessness honey so there are no promises given of an easy road ahead. You do have your faith and that will give you incredible strength. You just have to consider so many things as I'd imagine you have already. For ex; if he does meet someone online and does get involved with them, the risk of contracting something and passing it on to you. The fact that in the end he may leave you for another. The biggest thing is what all this is doing to you as it will change you. Again, my heart goes out to you and I pray things will turn out well for you. peace, songbird
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|7 years ago :: Mar 11, 2008 - 2:29PM #6
AM so sorry for your sitation. I weep every time someone posts that they are the on the receiving end of any kind of abuse. Who has the right to abuse another human being?
Boodlebear- your post was inspired!
Wish I could be of more help here, but really you need to be your own advocate.
I do know there are educational programs for those identified as displaced homemakers. These are programs where the fees are waived and you get to attend class/obtain skills. Please check with your local community college.
Also, there are other avenues of assistance if you opt to leave your current situation. WOmen's shelters are one example. Can the members of your church be of assistance to you? Maybe one has a room for rent, in exchange for light housekeeping chores?
Also, assuming your hubby was genuine with his affections for you/and the Lord at the beginning of your marriage (something Princess mentioned in a post on another thread of yours), is this some sort of mental deterioration affecting him? Don't know how you would be able to get him into treatment for this-esp if he refuses to seek treatment for himself.
And maybe this man is truly evil, duped you and continues to use you - for as long as you are willing to remain by him. I cannot imagine any sort of Superior Being supporting such a miserable marriage. I would think you are fully justified in getting out and regaining your tranquility/peace of mind.
good luck!
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|7 years ago :: Mar 12, 2008 - 12:00AM #7
Boodlebear, Irene, poecar and songbird,
Please excuse any spelling mistakes as my glasses broke and I am waiting on my new ones and seeing up close is a challenge right now. I left my upclose glasses they lent me in the car and I am too tired to go get them !!
Thank you so much for all your kind words and support!!!!!
I am seeing my therapist tomorrow and my pastor next week and formulating a plan, I am done being hurt.!!!!!!!
I own my own home...He will be the one that must leave and just about everything in my home was mine when we married :-)
I have two forms of income but not enough to live on with my current bills. I am on social security disability and it has been difficult to hold down a job. I know I will get alimony for a couple years,
Perhaps this will give me some time to find something to add to my income.
All the bills but three are in my name :-(
So I am going to look into my options...
I have a sister that is very supportive, she and her 2nd husband will help where ever they can and she has been through a similiar situation in her first marriage. I have wonderful friends!! And a wonderful GOD!!! I will survive!!!!
The husband unleashed his mouth on me tonight and I told him he is just a bully and his words don't hurt me anymore and he is just full of hot air!! He thinks he is big n bad because he knows nasty names to call me, but I know who I am in GOD,
He stormed downstairs to watch a couple movies we rented. He became verbally abusive because I wanted to go to sleeo instead of watching the movies, I have a lot of insomnia problems and only slept three hours last night. I saw a specialist today because I have been having problems with my memory and wanted to find out if it is just stress. She determined I am depressed and have a lot of anxiety. Imagine that!! LOL She is going to evaluate the other testing to see if there are any organic problems with my brain.
I know I must put ALL this in GOD'S hands and just trust him to guide me through this process.
I do all the bills and my husband has been threatening to move his direct deposit from work to a bank that I won't know and he will give me the money he thinks I need to pay bills. I have been working hard to establish credit from a previous bankruptcy from 12 years ago and I really don't want to mess up my credit. I have already spoken with a lawyer who said " we will find the money if this happens." But I need to pray about what to do in the meantime if he carries through with this threat. I admit I have allowed this to " control" how I react to him. I need to get past this.... I know.
Will write again when I can get to the computer without him around......
Thanks Again
Joy :-)
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|7 years ago :: Mar 12, 2008 - 12:10AM #8
is there a way to get email addresses from those willing to give them that are eager to talk back and forth? I don't mind giving mine to others here that have psoted to me. . I just don't know if it is allowed to be put in this post. ( Since I am new here and don't know all the rules. )
You weren't harsh, you were honest and I need to hear honest right now. I need encouragement. I have asked God to show me a way out. Perhaps he will use people here to help encourage me and help show me the way :-)
I am not upset :by your words or anyones else's here :-) I don't know when I reply in this kind of post if everyone can read it or just you? How does this work?
I know I received one of the post directly to my email address.
Joy :-)
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|7 years ago :: Mar 12, 2008 - 1:25AM #9
Hi Joyinfaith56,
I agree with everyone else, Im divorced, and I do know it takes two to make it work.
Relationships are work, it sounds like you have done everything you can, you can't change other people, but you can change yourself. I think men feel, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" I was married for 17 years with 3 children, I decided I was better off alone with my children, then with him and miserable. Im much happier and so is he.
they become compacent. Maybe a trual sepration? You could see how that goes
Good Luck
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|7 years ago :: Mar 12, 2008 - 6:04AM #10
[QUOTE=ANGELMOMSTLOUISMO;350764]Hi Joyinfaith56,
I agree with everyone else, Im divorced, and I do know it takes two to make it work.
Relationships are work, it sounds like you have done everything you can, you can't change other people, but you can change yourself. I think men feel, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" I was married for 17 years with 3 children, I decided I was better off alone with my children, then with him and miserable. Im much happier and so is he.
they become compacent. Maybe a trual sepration? You could see how that goes
Good Luck[/QUOTE]
Trial separations can be such a waste of energy and can build up false hope. Though I freely admit that good has come of them, but in this case I'm giving a thumbs down. I know you can see she needs to rescue her self from this. One last time my ex called me for "help" and I had to grow ovaries and tell him NO. It was a ruse. After that he tried his old false suicide trick: the abusive marriage partner's equivalent to holding his breath. If there seemed to be any hope at all I'd go along with your suggestion. I can't in all good consciousness.
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Montreal Impact: Perkins; Rivas, Brovsky, Ferrari ©, Camara; Pisanu, Bernadello, Warner, Mapp; Wenger, Di Vaio
Subs: Bush, Bernier, Le, Martin, DeLeon, Nyassi, Pajoy
Get up-to-the minute stats throughout the match
The Dynamo host the Montreal Impact at 7:30 p.m. tonight in the Eastern Conference Knockout Round. Here are 12 reasons to attend tonight's MLS Cup Playoff game between the Dynamo and Montreal:
#12 Halloween trick-or-treat. Children with a game ticket can trick-or-treat in the comfort of the rain-protected BBVA Compass Stadium concourse, with candy available in the stadium suites and sponsorship area between 6:00 and 6:45 p.m. tonight.
#11 Costume contest. There will be a pregame costume contest at Orange Avenue before the game. Finalists will be voted on at halftime by the stadium crowd.
#10 The Dynamo have been in the playoffs 7 of 8 years, and three years in a row.
#9 The Dynamo are 12-7-4 all-time in the MLS Cup Playoffs, the third-best postseason win percentage in MLS history.
#8 The Dynamo begin their quest to reach a third straight MLS Cup Final, and win a fifth conference championship in eight years.
#7 A year ago Will Bruin scored four goals in the playoffs to set a franchise record for goals in a single postseason, surpassing Brian Ching, who scored three in the 2006 postseason.
#6 Last Halloween, the Dynamo went to Chicago and beat the Fire, 2-1, in the Knockout Round behind two goals from Bruin.
#5 Brad Davis has appeared in 22 of Houston's 23 playoff games in franchise history, starting 21. The only playoff game Davis has not played in with Houston was the 2011 MLS Cup Final, which he missed due to a quadriceps injury suffered in the Eastern Conference Final.
#4 Dominic Kinnear is 13-9-5 as a head coach in the MLS Cup playoffs. With his next win, Kinnear will tie Bob Bradley for third on the MLS playoff wins list.
#3 Late goals are more fun. Of Houston's 31 all-time playoff goals, 18 have been scored after the 60th minute (58%), including four overtime goals. Three were scored by Brian Ching, with a tying header in the 2006 MLS Cup Final and game-winners in the second leg of Western Conference Semifinals in 2007 and 2009.
#2 The Dynamo are 8-1-0 all-time in home playoff games and have the best home win percentage (.889) in MLS history. Houston has outscored opponents 18-6 in home playoff games.
#1 Win or go home. They need to win tonight to advance to meet the New York Red Bulls, with the first leg at BBVA Compass Stadium on Sunday at 2:30 p.m. CT.
Tickets are still available here, by calling 713-276-GOAL or by visiting the BBVA Compass Stadium ticket office (2200 Texas St., Houston).
It's playoff time in Houston, and with the Dynamo's Eastern Conference Knockout Round match against the Montreal Impact at 7:30 p.m. on Thursday, we've got you covered on how to make sure you don't miss a second of it.
- BBVA Compass Stadium: The best way to catch the game is to be at the game, obviously. Tickets are still available here, including our popular Beer Garden and McDonald's 4-Pack options. We'll even have trick-or-treating and costume contests going on for your Halloween enjoyment. (If you're worried about the weather, forecasts have the skies clearing up before kickoff!)
- CSN Houston: Join Glenn Davis, Eddie Robinson and Sebastian Salazar for this all-important, do-or-die matchup on the official home of the Houston Dynamo.
- NBC Sports Network: Don't get CSN? NBC Sports Network is simulcasting the broadcast throughout the nation with no blackout restrictions in the Houston area.
- MLS Live: If you're on the go, the match is also available on MLS Live, again with no blackout restrictions.
There you have it. All of the ways to watch the Dynamo start another run at the MLS Cup.
This Week, the Houston Dynamo take on the Montreal Impact in the Eastern Conference Knockout Round at BBVA Compass Stadium. Tickets are available for the match (Thursday, 7:30 p.m. CT) by clicking here.
The Dynamo kick off another run at the MLS Cup this Thursday against the Montreal Impact. CLICK HERE for more information and for tickets!
Giles Barnes was named to MLSsoccer.com's Team of the Week for the third time after his performance vs. D.C. United on Sunday. Here's what the editors had to say:
Came up big for Houston when they needed it most in a must-win game at D.C. United that saw the Dynamo come away 2-1 victors. Drew the penalty for the opener before scoring the winner to cap off a hard-working performance.
Check out the full team here.
The Dynamo are in the MLS Cup Playoffs! Steph gets you ready for Thursday's Knockout Match vs. Montreal at BBVA Compass Stadium (7: 30 p.m. CT; TICKETS)
Eddie Robinson joins John Harris of Yahoo! Sports Radio 1560AM for their weekly Dynamo chat in The War Room.
Harris asked Robinson for his take on the Dynamo and their playoff-clinching 2-1 win over D.C. United this weekend. Robinson also gives his thoughts on how the Dynamo can reach another MLS Cup Final, even with a clash against Supporters' Shield winner, the New York Red Bulls, waiting in the next round for the Men in Orange.


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--Public Interest Groups Call for Quick Passage of Corporate Reform Package Containing All of the Senate Bill's Key Reforms --
Washington, D.C.-July 22, 2002: Special interest groups, with major accounting firms in the lead, are using behind-closed-door conference committee negotiations to renew their attack on corporate reform legislation, public interest groups warned Monday. A list of proposed amendments submitted to conferees by the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, PricewaterhouseCoopers, and other industry groups, as well as changes suggested by Senator Phil Gramm and Chairman Michael Oxley strike at the heart of the bill's key reforms, warned Consumer Federation of America, Common Cause, Consumer Action, and U.S. Public Interest Research Group.
The four public interest groups wrote to all members of the conference committee on Monday urging them to "reject these transparent attempts to gut the legislation's key audit reform provisions" and to instead support quick passage of legislation with the Senate bill's investor protections intact.
"While the markets were plunging Friday and members of the conference committee were using their opening statements to pledge their support for passage of the strongest possible corporate reform legislation, the special interest vultures were already circling," said Barbara Roper, director of investor protection for the Consumer Federation of America. "The Worldcom revelations may have scuttled the accounting firms' plans to weaken the bill on the Senate floor, but the fact that two of the highest ranking Republicans on the conference committee are pushing their anti-reform agenda in conference indicates their efforts to gut the bill's key protections are alive and well."
"It's no accident that accounting reform legislation is being negotiated behind closed doors," said Common Cause President Scott Harshbarger. "Since 1995, Members of the House-Senate conference committee working on this crucial accounting reform bill received $1.3 million in campaign contributions from the Big Five accounting firms and their trade group, the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (AICPA). Within the past 18 months, the Big Five and AICPA also employed an army of 90 lobbyists, including 51 who have previously worked in a federal agency or in a senior staff position on Capitol Hill, and spent more than $8 million lobbying in Washington. All that money and lobbying clout buys a lot of secrecy. "
"Consumers were promised sunlight by the conferees and all they've gotten is more closed doors," said Edmund Mierzwinski, Consumer Program Director for the U.S. Public Interest Research Group. "This once-promising conference appears to be more business as usual."
The groups analyzed proposed amendments submitted to conferees by various industry groups as well as lists of suggested changes to the bill from Senator Gramm and Chairman Michael Oxley. Focusing on audit reform issues, they urged conferees to do the following:
- Don't adopt proposed amendments to weaken auditor independence reforms by removing the statutory prohibition on certain non-audit services, opening up new loopholes in auditor independence rules, gutting the requirement for audit committee pre-approval of non-audit services, and eliminating provisions making corporate board audit committees directly responsible for overseeing the audit;
- Don't tie the hands of the new auditor oversight board by limiting the board to enforcing standards set by the accounting profession it is supposed to regulate, by removing its authority to enforce securities laws, by eliminating the requirement that auditors test companies' compliance with internal controls designed to prevent financial fraud, or taking other steps to scale back the board and the Securities and Exchange Commission's regulatory authority;
- Don't shield auditors from accountability to their victims when they are guilty of fraud by removing the provision lengthening the statute of limitations.
Only quick House passage of legislation retaining all of the Senate bill's key investor protections would send a "clear message to American investors that congress and the administration are capable of acting in a bipartisan fashion to adopt a strong package of reforms," the groups wrote.
A copy of the letter is available on the Consumer Federation of America Website at http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/auditreform_conference_ltr.pdf.


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well I didn't read all the info I just checked out the cute phones lol!! (such a girl right?)
really nice and I love the white.
I wish they would send to Canada, I'd love to get one done!! yay!!
It's been a week since the BlackBerry Bold was released by Rogers in Canada. A lack of in-store availability on launch day meant I had to wait until day two to actually buy one, but buy one I did and I unboxed it on video with nearly uncontrollable excitement (can you blame me?!). I followed up soon after with another video showing off the device's media capabilities via the photos, movies, music and ringtones that come preloaded on the Bold.
With those two clips out of the way, it was time to move onto my next task - the BlackBerry Bold browser overview and Bold vs. iPhone 3G browser speed test showdown. I know some of you are getting sick of the Bold vs. iPhone which is better/comparison stuff, but there are a LOT of people out there who want to see this browser speed test happen (including the editors of some major tech sites that have been urging me to get this showdown done right). It was only a few minutes after I set out to begin the definitive Definitive DEFINITIVE Bold/iPhone browser speed test showdown that the frustrations that have consumed the past four days of my life began...
So here was my master plan. Visit eight popular websites on a commercially purchased, full release BlackBerry Bold and iPhone 3G under the four basic browsing conditions used by most people...
Websites to be visited:
Browser Conditions for Speed Test:
All told each phone would be timed over 32 website visits and compared under the same browser settings/conditions. The phones would not be "raced" side by side so as to eliminate variables (wouldn't want them competing for the same WiFi signals now would we?!). Rather, they would be individually time trialed. The timing device would be the stopwatch on my BlackBerry KickStart (err Pearl) 8220. Cache would be cleared, the appropriate settings would be picked per the four browsing states listed above, and then the eight sites would be visited in a row (timing each site individually, short break between each visit as the new URL is typed in). Once testing was complete for the BlackBerry Bold, I'd put it down, pick up the iPhone 3G, and visit the same eight sites under that same browser setting state. Once testing on a setting state was complete, cache would be cleared, settings would be changed, and the tests would be done under the next condition. And so it would go until each phone was timed visiting eight sites, four times over, each time under a different state. Also, the tests would be carried out late at night so that the sites being visited wouldn't be getting updated or change while the speed tests were taking place.
The other issue I wanted to be consistent and within regular operating norms on was signal strength. Though I own an iPhone 3G, I don't use it much or know that much about it to check those settings, but on the BlackBerry I used the ALT + NMLL shortcut to switch my signal strength to numbers. Throughout the 3G tests it registered at -70. For the WiFi tests, I checked the connection strength (Options > WiFi Connections > Menu Key > Network Details) prior to each test and and it was always between -35 and -40 dBm. So though I don't know the numbers for the iPhone 3G, at least it was always used in the exact same location. Lastly, I decided that the radios would be left on during the WiFi tests so as to duplicate real life use. I think most people still want the ability to receive calls even when browsing via WiFi.
All in all, about as fair a trial as I could think up or conduct within my work environment with the tools and smartphones at hand.
Special Note Regarding the BlackBerry Bold's Web Browsers
Seemingly Innocent Browser Settings...that for me lead to TROUBLE!
When set to BlackBerry, if you visit a site like NYTimes.com or WSJ.com, their servers will detect the BlackBerry setting and serve you up a mobile-optimized site instead of the full html site. A nice touch, especially if content is your only concern, but for this test since we want to compare HTML sites the default settings wouldn't work. So for all of the browser tests, the Bold would be set to "Internet Explorer" (which I later would find out from a Rogers Rep and RIM Support Rep was the recommended selection for this kind of test).
Preamble to the SUPER DUPER TEST
So it was after midnight on Sunday when the rest of the blogosphere was hopefully sleeping (didn't want anybody posting stories and changing the sites to be visited) that I got set up to do the testing. Video camera ready, digital camera ready, notebook and pen ready, stopwatch ready, iPhone 3G and a shiny new BlackBerry Bold ready.
Before getting to the official time trials per the rules above, I figured I'd do some general testing and browsing so I'd have a sense of what was to come. Both phones had their WiFi turned off, and their browsers set to factory defaults (minus Browser Identification on the Bold set to Internet Explorer). I was pleased to see the Bold beat the iPhone for pulling up the first three sites I visited - CrackBerry.com, Engadget.com and Gizmodo.com. It was only faster by a few seconds, but it was faster, so I took this as hopeful sign of good things to come. The Bold's browser doesn't do quite as a good of job at rendering pages as the iPhone 3G's browser, but it's pretty darn close (I'd argue 95% as good). There are some sites, like NationalGeographic.com, where the Bold really messes up the tables, and it also seems to have something against the header on CrackBerry.com. Regardless, the Bold pulled up these sites about a bajillion times faster than they would have on my 8320 Curve on Edge and looked about a gajilion times better than the browser on OS4.2.2. A HUGE leap forward for RIM.
3G Browsing, Javascript Off
The Bold pulled up the majority of sites in the 29 to 40 second range. Not too bad I figured, considering some of the sites (like CrackBerry and theIphoneBlog are actually pretty beasty). The Bold seemed to be off to a good start.
When set on the same browser settings, in this round of speed trials the iPhone 3G definitely seemed to hold the upper hand. Round 1 goes to the iPhone 3G.
3G Browsing, Javascript On
And this is where my story takes a downhill turn and becomes a full-fledged nightmare. Up until now I was super happy with my BlackBerry Bold. Loving it. Though it was a bit slower in the first round of tests than the iPhone 3G I was still happy. Time for Round 2. I clear the cache on both phones and turn on Javascript support. I start with the Bold first - this would be the first time ever browsing a site over 3G on the Bold with Javascript support checked on. Time to visit CrackBerry.com.
HOUSTON... errr.. WINNIPEG... we have a PROBLEM
I connect to my local network and the connection is STRONG... -35 dBm. I'm less than a hop and skip (no jump) away from the router for the duration of these tests to help ensure strong signal strength and hopefully quick WiFi browsing speeds. Let's start with Javascript off (where there doesn't seem to be an issue). I had CrackBerry.com loading in 40 seconds over 3G, so with the WiFi generating such a strong signal I'm thinking it should be at least 10 or even 20 seconds quicker, considering the iPhone loaded it in under 20 seconds. Nearly two minutes later the site finishes loading. WTF?! Shouldn't WiFi be faster than 3G? I'm not convinced. I pull the battery, clear the cache, and try it again. Problem rendering page?!!
After a while I got used to the Bold's Browser HATING me
At this point I'm thoroughly baffled. I try browsing websites over WiFi on the Bold for the better part of an hour. Unfortunately, that doesn't equal many sites. I eventually gave up. Something must be wrong. Images would begin to load, but then the blue status bar of death and hour glass would take over. It would take several tries of cache clearing and rebooting to get a site to load, and when it did, it was in the minutes. Either this phone is broken (yet everything else about the device seems to be in perfect working order) or the Bold hates me, or RIM released a device with some Gremlins living in the code, or maybe a bit of all three. 4am. Time for bed.
Test Day 2 - Monday
I take care of my regular Monday morning CrackBerry duties then get back to the Bold. I do a few more tests. Same deal as the night before. I call Rogers for support. While the tech guy I got was super friendly and we examined the device and browser settings and options, everything looked good on my end. He thought maybe it was hardware problem and suggested returning the device since I just bought it a few days prior.
I call up RIM Technical Support. I give them my credit card number so they can charge me the $50 per tech issue fee. I just want to talk to somebody who has a Bold in there hand and hopefully several Bolds nearby (Rogers guy was on an 8700) so we can do some of these tests over the phone and we can get to the bottom of this issue. Unfortunately, the first rep I talked to didn't have a Bold on him and the guys in tech support who did were not around at the moment. But the rep assured me that turning on Javascript should not add minutes to the browsing experience nor mess up the phone the way I described it. We examined the settings and did a couple of quick tests. No luck. He then suggested I wipe the handheld (Options > Security Options > General Settings > Menu Key > Wipe Handheld), so we did that while on the phone. Still no luck. He suggested I download the OS from Rogers (they just put it up on their site that day) and do a clean install of the OS. He figured if that didn't help it may be a hardware issue and that I should take it back and return it for a new one.
So I reloaded the OS. No luck. I called up my Rogers guy to see if he had any Bolds left in stock. He had ONE. I make it to the store just before it closed for the night. Instead of returning it, I just decide to buy a second Bold. This way I'll now have a second device to test out my findings on and make sure my numbers are valid... because at this point I'm not really trusting the device. While at the store, I grabbed my sales guy's Bold and did some testing on his device. There was no WiFi to test on... but guess what? Same Javascript support issue over 3G. I browse a few sites with Javascript off and they load quick...turn on JS support, and I don't have the patience to watch event one site finish loading. I buy my second Bold, go home, put everything on the charger and go to bed.
Test Day 3 - Tuesday
Please Please Please just let my first Bold have been a dud. I love the device. I just want it to work properly the way it should.
I call back in to RIM Technical. I get a really helpful guy who has a lot patience with me and the situation at hand. Juggling both Bolds back forth, we go through different speed tests under different settings. He's taking notes. He gives me a task list of more tests to try and he gets started on doing some testing of his own. I email him my results. He emails me back an hour or so later that he's escalated the testing on to their Research department and somebody from that team will get back to me.
At this point I get an email from one of CrackBerry.com's forum moderators telling me to check out a forum post. It seems a few members are beginning to wonder where I'm at... nothing new on the Bold, not too many blog posts from me this week, no new podcast.. so I post where I'm at in the forums along with a little RANT!
I give up for now. Two new BlackBerry Bolds that have been three years in the making that I've been waiting months for to get released and I can't even get done the little browser speed test I've been trying to complete since Sunday night. I'm going to bed.
Test Day 4 - Wednesday
I email back RIM technical support first thing in the morning looking for an update. They respond and want more questions:
They're on it. I like that. I just wish they could tell me what was wrong and tell me how to fix it. Trust me, I do NOT want to be spending my time doing this (nor writing this blog post for that matter). I just want things to be perfect. And while I'm not opposed to going out and buying a third Bold, I just have a feeling it won't solve this nagging Javascript issue, nor my weird WiFi issue.. which seems strange.
That was enough to get BBCool onboard to try and figure out what's going on here. I emailed Doug my spreadsheet with sites to visit and my timing data (plus we added two more great sites to the test - blackberrycool.com and quicklybored.com) and he picked up the gauntlet. I have heard grumblings that there could be some "geographic" issues at play here with the issues I'm experiencing, and while I don't understand why or how that would be the case, with Doug and Simon being in Ottawa we could at least maybe validate or throw out my results data.
Test Day 5 - Thursday
RIM got back to me with some of their tests. They told me they had visited all eight websites I was testing over WiFi in 24 seconds or less with Javascript both Off and On. FAST. That's what I want. That's what I've been expecting! But in that email they made no mention of the 3G speeds (with JS on or off) or whether or not they were investigating that end of the equation further. They did however give me a new set of sites to visit and do some time trials on:
You can see the results. The Bold handled the sites no problem over 3G with JS off, and I was able to run through them in succession, but I again ran into the same issues once I turned it Javascript support on or tried anything over WiFi. I actually had one site load fast over WiFi - TSN.ca. But once I tried to browse to WSJ.com the phone just locked up after 2 minutes of attempting to load the page. And really, should I have to reboot the phone and clear the cache just to browse one site? Something is obviously messed up here. I lost patience and sent them in my data from this round of tests for the sites I could do in reasonable time. I'm waiting to hear what's next.
You've seen what I'm trying to do. How do your test results compare? Post them in the blog comments or on this dedicated forum thread. Or email it in to Kevin at CrackBerry.com. Are you experiencing any of the same issues? Are you trouble free? Let me know! Follow the methodology in this post with the same sites being visited. I'll follow up with a Call for Bold Browser Data blog post shortly that lays out the exact steps.
I'm sorry guys and gals. I failed you. I set out to put together an awesome test comparing the browsing speeds of the Bold and iPhone 3G and I couldn't get it done. The premise was there, but the equipment is not up to snuff yet to draw any definitive conclusions. I say that because I don't think this is a fair battle just yet. I may have bought the Rogers BlackBerry Bold (well, TWO of them) over the counter, but the Bolds I'm rocking are obviously still in training - not ready for the full-out browser speed test war just yet.
So here are my conclusions for NOW:
If you've read this far you are hardcore and truely a smartphone geek. Be proud of it. I've spent the better part of a week in frustration dealing with this. I think me and the Bolds are officially now on a break. Just for a bit. At least until this issue gets resolved and I actually know which one of the Bolds I'm going to keep as my daily driver, my SIM is going back in my Curve.
No 3G or Awesome Display or Fast Processor, but my Curve is Still Sexy
Good thing I just did the Colorware thing and got it painted white. I'm still attracted to her and have a lot of love... call me a BlackBerry Polygamist, it's the truth!!
well I didn't read all the info I just checked out the cute phones lol!! (such a girl right?)
really nice and I love the white.
I wish they would send to Canada, I'd love to get one done!! yay!!
RIM said that they are now focusing on getting the bowser to render properly (BTW can you please show he results for the Acid, Acid2, and Acid3 tests?) and after that they are supposed to be working on stability and speed.
Holy Massive blog post batman, still got nothing on the novels you write and call emails though :P
Aside from that...regarding the post, I have been on a lot of sites lately looking at everybodys reaction to the BlackBerry Bold...noticing a lot of issues with the device at this point...the biggest seemingly is the browser issue, as well as the "App Error 205" bug that seems to be plaguing the Bolds, at this point i'm kind of glad I haven't taken the leap yet to the Bold...maybe all the stuff about it NOT being ready are turning out to be true...which makes me wonder why RIM would sacrifice their history of great quality products, just to release something not ready...seems like a Microsoft kind of way to go..launch it, knowing it's buggy..use the users of it as beta testers and fix it based on their findings...Broken product..fixed via patches..Maybe the iPhone rush forced RIM to go that way, but even then I still don't understand why they would sacrifice a quality product and their reputation on that alone.
PS: Send me one of your Bolds, I'll do some testing and send you the results...we can rule out that geograhpic thing, although I cant guarantee the Bold will come back...just the test results :P
Yeah, been getting lots of those. Only on reboots though.
Once the device gets buggy and glitchy, I try to doing a soft reboot. Leads to an App Error 205. From there another soft reboot or battery pull seems to get it back up and running.
I tried a soft reset and it didn't work, So I pulled that battery and now it seems fine ):<
What the hell is that error anyway??
Just wondering Kevin, at this stage in the new OS game for the Bold and all the problems with the browser, would you stick with the Curve until the issues are worked out? Or is the Bold's problems worth working putting up with until there is some sort of update for it?
I just tried crackberry.com, with out Java script over Wi-Fi loads in under a minute for sure (no timer on me at the moment)... with Javascript (cache cleared), it takes longer but is still not more than 2 minutes I figure...
P.S. I'm probably using a newer version of the OS than you ;)
I have no doubt something is messed with my WiFi.
The bigger test is over 3G and the Internet browser.
Try visiting CrackBerry.com. Should be maybe 35 - 45 seconds (signal strength at -70). Try again with Javascript Support on. That's the BIG glitch here.
It should maybe add 10 seconds or something. But right it messes things up.
If you're running newer code than 220.127.116.11 then yeah, hopefully things are better. But I'm running what was delivered on the device I bought over the counter a few days ago. Should never have been released if this issue is as widespread as it seems to be.
I did try with Javascript on afterwards (as I said earlier).. it did take longer, you're correct. But it did load...and did not take that much longer IMO
I understand your frustrations. In all honesty though, the browser is probably the weakest link on the Bold from what I've seen. It also seems to me that the browser runs good only after a reboot. Kind of like Windows, I'm disappointed to say..
Saying that however, it slowly keeps getting better and better. Compare it with the pre-release Bold you got... You'll say that RIM should've waited more till they released it, but apparently for them it made good business sense. It will be frustrating for the early upgraders, but it will help get feedback for other devices that are to come out. I hope.
The biggest problem with RIM is that even if they do get the Bold's browser fixed in a future OS release, the average person doesn't know how to do an OS upgrade so they're screwed. RIM's OS upgrade mechanism is stupid, and totally unlike Apple's. If Apple screws up something on the software side with the iPhone they simply push out the update, and boom, it's instantly available for *everybody in the world* and the upgrade process is easy.
OS 4.5 & 4.6 were supposed to introduce Over-The-Air OS upgrading, but it's only available for devices on a BES. In other words, for a lot of the Bold's that are being sold to *consumers* now, the OS that comes with the device is the OS they're going to have forever. Their experience will be crappy, like yours Kev, and they'll be annoyed.
And I didn't even talk about the fact that the Bold SHIPS WITH JavaScript turned OFF. WTF? How the hell are developers ever supposed to create compelling web-applications without JavaScript? Is this a joke or something?
I used to use Viigo on my BlackBerry but now since I have an iPhone I've been using the Google Reader web application which is spankingly brilliant - you just can't beat synchronization between your mobile and your desktop world.
Without JavaScript turned on by default, no company or developer is going to give a stuff even trying to create web applications for the BlackBerry.
What a totally wasted opportunity.
Very nice effort. My wife and I are looking forward to the bold here in the U.S. Your right hopefully they will get the javascript bug nailed down before it comes to AT&T. No worries gives me more time to save the money, afterall I'll be buying two as well.
interesting read and definately delayed my purchasing of the bold until you get some answers/solutions (was originally going to get it september 2nd)
Have you also spoken to RIM about any of the memory leaks that you have been experiencing? i thgouth 128 would be plenty seeing as how my curve runs fine on 64mb, but it seems like the bold is terrible in that department as well
The text in the last time chart is sooooooooo funny. "gave up WTF?" That is the killer. Hilarious
I have waited for what felt like years for the Bold to release. I gave up and went to the iPhone 3G and I must say I couldnt be happier. I really wanted the bold to be good tho, rather unfortunate to say the least.
OK I'm sorry, call it JEALOUSY if you like but ever since you got your first Bold on E-Eff'n-Bay I've really not liked you or the Crackberry web site! Yeah that's right! Your posts are always dropping the "Bold Bomb" and it has been just so annoying! No wait, thats not fair. I think it's because of your success... Whatever I admit it's messed up but I'm dubbing you Kevin Michaluk my new "NEMESIS". (yes I only had one Nemesis before you. He worked at Starbucks. It's a long story.)
BTW I love your pod casts
I only ever had one NEMESIS too... also a long story. We should meet up one day and tell each other our NEMESIS stories. Though I guess I know one of yours now.
Shoot me an email. kevin at crackberry.com. I think you NEED to be a guest soon on our CrackBerry Podcast. Will make for an awesome show.
Hopefully you have a killer radio voice that's better than mine - not my calling, that's for sure. It's definitely Craig that holds the show together :)
I've tried a couple on Opera 9.5 on my HTC Touch, EVDO
There is something really weird with TheiPhoneBlog.com. It loaded almost all the page in 20 seconds, but then it hung there for more than a minute. It's like there is some weird time on on the ads served on the page.
If there is a problem with third party ad servers, you will indeed be affected by your geographic locations. I'm not getting the same ads here in Montreal as you are.
I have always had issues with JS on my Pearl 8100 not being acceptable. Fortunately, only 1 site I ever go to needs JS to function for me, but its a killer. Normally, I grab my buddy's iPhone and visit that site.
Plus CSS and page rendering is all over the place with the new 4.5 for 8100. Most pages render better with CSS on, but 2 that I read are much worse (including Pinstack) and 2 (CrackBerry and BGR) won't even load.
Those are the very issues I hoped RIM had knocked out before my next BB - as I am awaiting the Storm/Thunder.
As for your WiFi, my only question/hint would be are you using b/g or draft(N). It could be that your router IS the problem in this case. I of course would hate to think RIM didnt look forward to N and backwards at b/g as both being required, though.
I think the Router could be the issue to in regards to the WiFi/Hotspot browser, but it's just weird how it seems fine. SOME STUFF will load..it's not like there's no connection at all. So info is getting through.
I tried from several different spots too - so either they're all bad, or both my devices have some weird glitch. I'm not sure.
Either way, the iPhone 3G works fine on all the locations that are giving me glitches.
it is called Draft(N) for a reason, its not completely set, and while technically backwards compatible, I suspect that could be the reason some info is getting through at what seems like Edge speeds. Either way, RIM is really missing the mark on all of these issues.
lol, the JS issue was enough to get me to finally register at CB instead of just browse
Welcome Officially to the site. Too FUNNY. Glad the JS misfortunes got you in here. :)
I'm going to have to defend the BB bold here. The theiphoneblog.com loaded in under 30 seconds for me using the hotspot browser. Not sure what's up with yours... :(
That was in 3G mode with js off.
yeah, for me 3G mode with JS off is what worked just fine. The browser is completely useable in that mode.
It's when Javascript gets turned on while browsing over 3G that the browsing time goes up BIG time.
And for Most people the WiFi Browsers seem to be working ok. There's just "something" going on with mine that seems really really really out of whack. Don't know the explanation for it yet, but there has to be one.
Um... it took you 4 days to figure it out?
I've been reporting browsing issues since last Friday.
WiFi is dodgy on the Bold. 3G browsing is just broken.
There's also an insane desire for this piece of junk to want to switch to a 1 bar Edge signal when there is a 5 bar 3G signal. No idea what that's about.
Where the hell is the new OS from Rogers?
No No. I figured out the problems the FIRST time I tried the browser out (that's in the post). I just spent four days working to try and get it diagnosed, acknowledged, and fixed.
My goal here was to do the Browser shootout. Never expected it to turn into a Bold's Browser is Buggered post, but once it became apparent that I'd never be able to fill in my spreadsheets with valid times from the Bold I figured the only thing to do was blog my experiences of the week.
Wow, you guys are right. If the iphone really is that fast, and processing all the javascript, then the bold's processor either sucks, is doing too much other things in the background, or something else software related.
It could be that the iphone is not really running all the javascript, but that is unlikely.
Regarding the iPhone, as you say, it is highly unlikely it is not running all the JS. There are some beautiful AJAX (The 'J' is for JavaScript FYI) web applications that are available for the iPhone. It's the real deal...
I can count the number of BlackBerry web-applications on one hand. I can count the number of *good* BlackBerry web-applications with no hands.
In June 2008, the Javascript interpreter on Safari saw a major overhaul:
Then, hoping the bold's hardware doesn't completely suck, it's a major software issue going on here.
I'm not certain, but I believe that since the iphone has 8GB of space by default, it has a decent amount of RAM, and the bold's 1GB default space means it wasn't even meant to compete in this space.
Nevermind, bold and iphone have same amount of RAM.
So there is still hope? ;)
Only thing I can think of now is virtual memory page faults eating up processor time, or something. But probably general software issues that can indeed be cleared up (phew!).
Sadly enough, I have to say that I've been running into the same problem as Kevin.
I purchased a BB Bold from Rogers a few days back - amazing device, I'm in love with it!
At first, the browser worked beautifully. With JS turned on however, or if browsing on WIFI, pages would take minutes to load or fail to load at all.
I wonder if getting the 8GB micro sd card would help? That's the only thing left to try and get iphone and bold on level playing field.
I'm starting to think that guaranteed to get better speeds the 8GB+ space is needed. By the way, what's the max micro SD card the bold can handle?
ok, enough of my ranting, anyway, according to gizmodo it supports the 8GB and is expected to support the newer 16GB as well.
So Kevin, you neglected another way RIM has jacked the price in your unboxing of the bold---you guaranteed have to buy yourself a micro SD :(((
I only have a few pics and a small video, already told me to delete the languages I wasn't using, cleared cache and all, and already am down to under 3MB free file space.
Whoa. That was the longest blog post I ever read. Kudos to Kevin for taking the time to write all that for us CrackBerry users out there, even though it wasn't what he wanted to write, that still was awesome. I hope RIM can push out a firmware update to fix all the Bold users' out there. Looking forward to see RIM's final fix/response on this issue. Hopefully soon.
I live in Calgary, and thought what the heck, I'll try as well. Downtown Calgary, 1:00 AM.
Starting the tests with the 3G, They were simular to the results you had. The only major difference in times was trying to load 3G w/JS:
Here's just a few examples of the sites.
wjs.com: 8 mins, 23 seconds
theiphoneblog.com: 4 mins, 54 seconds
Sportsnet.ca: 1 min, 17 seconds
Drudge.com: 35 seconds
rueters.com: 1 min, 6 seconds.
Signal: -70 DBM for 3G
So, I must agree with you 100%. I really wonder how the techs got fast times for these sites.
Even hardcoding the APN to internet.com or blackberry.net didn't help much either.
Hopefully this helps.
Here's hoping it gets fixed ASAP...
This makes me want to analyze the coding of some of these pages to figure out what the deal is. I think I might peruse some of the code on the iphoneblog vs natgeo. Im curious if you had the same results using the bb browser with js on...
Anyhow before I spend hours breaking down bad code heres something to look at.
Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 136
Total Size: 1313957 bytes
Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes) Download @ 56K (seconds) Download @ T1 (seconds)
HTML Images: 743296 157.34 13.14
CSS Images: 193927 50.45 12.83
Total Images: 937223 207.79 25.97
Javascript: 246375 52.90 5.11
Multimedia: 909 0.38 0.20
Other: 0 0.00 0.00
Global Statistics
Total HTTP Requests: 46
Total Size: 359785 bytes
Object Size Totals
Object type Size (bytes) Download @ 56K (seconds) Download @ T1 (seconds)
HTML Images: 220469 49.74 6.97
CSS Images: 20746 5.73 1.71
Total Images: 241215 55.47 8.68
Javascript: 60572 12.67 0.92
Multimedia: 0 0.00 0.00
Other: 0 0.00 0.00
Its worth mentioning that the iphone blog has missing images.
You should try hitting up one the connection speed sites with your bolds and iphones and see what kind of numbers you get from that.
I read the whole thing and it's rather disappointing about the bold's browser with js. I don't think you failed at all, quite the opposite. Since one of the objectives was to see how fast it really is, and we've found out. Right now bold's browser with js sucks!
RIM needs to step it up!
Btw, any upcoming info's regarding BB 9220? So eager for any news for that 3g Javalin.
But is anyone else encountering an email notification problem with their Bold?
After reading an unread email and then hitting the back button (to go back to the home screen) 5 mins later I get another notification of a new message but its the same email I just read. I've checked all the email options and such but all the settings seem fine.
Just wondering if anyone else is encountering this issue and if there is anyone way to fix it.
I love my Bold. I just got my wisdon teeth pulled and it has since been my bedside companion helping me through this tough time. I love you Brutus (a.k.a my Blackberry Bold)
All bold owners out there.. I have come to learn that some of us have and some don't have the wireless update feature. I was wondering who out there has the wireless update feature from their bold? I called rogers over it they told me some of the units shipped with it and some did not.
Hey Kevin,
I know this is a litlle off topic, but I figured this was usefull info to us crackers. Take a look at the link below for further info.
Consider this a pretty solid bit of info, though it has not been double or triple confirmed like we normally like to do, and well, we saw what happened with Rogers. We've heard from pretty high up source at AT&T that they're aiming to have the BlackBerry Bold in stores on October 2nd. That's a Thursday, so we're assuming the full launch would be on the following Monday, the 6th. Let's see how this pans out…
You probably didn't put it on IE emulator. You can't compare it using the bb emulator. Apples to Apples is the only way to go!! Edge is not and cannot be faster than 3G (when working properly lol)
.....that maybe there is a reason ATT hasn't released the Bold yet?
We all sit here and complain and want this thing released, and it turns out that it obviously is no where near ready. Maybe the rest of the phone is ready, but obviously not the 3G and JS. With the Bold, RIM is trying to get a piece of the trendy, non-business market. These two features are pretty darn important to compete with the iPhone (BTW....I would never buy one of those things).
Hopefully, ATT is working with RIM to iron out the bugs in the software. Heck, maybe the ATT branded bolds will ship with an updated OS.
After all the hype about the Bold, There are issues with 3G and it's web browsing, I tried some of those tests, and I too had some speed problems on certain sites.
I surely hope that Rogers puts out an OS update soon to get rid of these issues. Either than that, I love my Bold.
There seems to be a beta 220.127.116.11 out there on the web that is available for the Bold. I wonder if you could install it on one of your Bolds to see if there is any difference.
Installing it right now. Am hoping it solves my problems.
Will do an update once I know!
Thank You Kevin for all your hard work. Sorry to hear the bad news. I have just read where ATT will probably hold the Bold off until October now. Like everyone I have been patiently waiting all summer for the Bold. Now I think I may have had enough. October is not a summer release date. It's been months and really to me it looks like the Bold has serious issues. Today I will drive down to the Apple Store and throw my bucks on the counter. One iPhone 3G please!
Enough, RIM failed horribly on this one I'm sorry to say.
Actually, all the problems you've had have helped me out. I have a 7130c and there have always been websites (including this one) that I could not pull up. I can't even count how many times I've pulled the battery. I tried turning off the Java and VIOLÁ, it works. Whatever problem the Bold is having could be the same one my old BlackBerry has.
Good thing I got tired of waiting for the Bold on ATT and bought an unlocked Nokia E71. 3G and wifi definitely rendering pages must faster than the bold and competitive with Iphone speeds. and if you havent seen this phone, i highly recommend it. EVERYONE asks me about it and wants one.
im so tired of hearing about this phone and not being able to buy it from at&t yet...i dont even want it anymore, my treo 750 is on life support and i need something now...i like the iphone but i hate how you cant get pics except through email and the touchscreen keyboard.. if only the nokia e71 had a better looking screen.. i think i might settle for the samsung omnia, but i heard that screen is very good either hmm... damn you at&t
I must say that you have my congratulations that you have the means to collect multiple phones costing several hundred dollars each. And that you have time to spend four days doing nothing but counting the milliseconds of internet page loads. A lot of money and maybe too much time. I envy you.
hi kevin,
this might be a little bit off topic, but besides BOLD I also use a Nokia E90 from time to time. call the E90 a underdog, but while the keyboard on that Nokia dinosaur is not very good to type, and calendar and contacts are old fashioned and slow compared to BOLD or BB, the E90s wide display is proably even better, sharper and crisper than the iphones, and it's Browser is really fast, no matter if JS is on/off, or if 3.5G (HDSPA) or Wifi is used.
sometimes with a lot of bugs compared to my old 8310 and 8700v I wonder why I have spent € 500+ on the bold.
but regarding fast email handling, contacts and calendar (and typing emails) no iphone (or E90) comes up ever to a BB, so then I know why :).
ps: I use tmobile OS 188.8.131.52(243), and there is a difference between slow JS turned on, and fast JS turned off.
The bb browser definitely sucks, I've confirmed it. Opera Mini runs as though you were running a totally different machine. It's just not as smooth and BB friendly, but for the speeds its giving me with JS and the whole lot it's hella worth it.
RIM folks must have begun development on this browser last week or something like that. 5 man crew? Hell you guys need a bigger crew if you're going to attempt to take on the iphone with the thunder/storm.
And yeah I'm talking about the bold. Y'all better get opera mini, the bold browser is CRAP. Also, take Mark Rejhon of Canada's advice from his comment on this blog post:
Kevin, how pissed would RIM folks get if you did a opera mini bb bold test vs Iphone? =DDDDDDDDD hahahaha ... hilarious!
First, I want to know what JS adds to this whole browsing experience. When I try browsing without it, pages seem to appear the exact same as with the option turned off.
Second, my WiFi browsing has been a little wonky with JS on, pulling up this page in about 35 seconds. With it turned off, it took about 27 seconds, which isn't bad. Still, I had it lock up when I tried browsing alluc.org thru the HotSpot browser. Permanent hourglass.
Actually, it appears opera mini really does do JS differently:
I wonder if RIM could learn from that =D
Aight, cheers folks. Get opera mini and you'll have no more complaints...
I have to ask why this even surprises anyone. RIM devices browse via proxy, iPhone doesn't. That should tell you all you need. Proxy rendering is about one thing... cutting down data transmission costs, which means piss poor quality of web experience. End of story.
wow, i came here to leave a quick comment an hour later im absorbed by this news.
Its been a back an forth between Bold and E71, i know the nokia screams at rendering pages cos i played with it but that small screen and keys was putting me off.
Over the last few days,the BB won my heart without even touching the device, now this.
Think i stick with plan of getting this and then selling it for the E71 if not happy.
In the uk, the device has been delayed constantly. with this and the 2G-3G, it switching must the reason. The device is due 4 Sept and im hoping the issues are fixed with a post .126 firmware.
Kevin, I was wondering in all of your chats with RIM tech support if you mentioned what your job was. I'm sure the guys and gals at RIM come to your site quite often and will see your post, rant, whatever. I just seem to think that if they knew what you do for a living, and that you were writing an article about the very problem you were calling them about, that they would be quick to solve the issue with JS. Anyway, I was just curious if it was mentioned at all in your calls to RIM.
Extremely dissappointing new about your comparison report the Bold Browser Speed compared to IPhone. Waiting for months while it seem there is no information from ATT or BBerry about what is going on, for me the time is up and the IPhone wins. If a definite statement is not released about the timing of the Bold and how BBerry is going to resolve their browser issues,Im signing up for the IPhone, two of them within the next few days. Enough is Enough from RIM when you have had such loyal Blackberry customers and RIM seems to be playing a game on marketing now with a product that based on information is inferior on browser speed.
Just wondering Kevin (or anyone else with a Bold!!), at this stage in the new OS game for the Bold and all the problems with the browser, would you stick with the Curve until the issues are worked out? Or is the Bold's problems worth working putting up with until there is some sort of update for it?
I've experienced the same issues with JS. Wifi performance is fine at my home and work. Problems appear to be exclusive to the browser and not the hardware, as Opera Mini is FAST on the Bold. The only disadvantage with Opera (that I've encountered so far) is that it does not support plugins (i.e. the media player, which is required for Youtube), and it does not support email integration (i.e. send link/page). Opera does allow you to choose radio/wifi in it's settings, which ensures that you're really using wifi.
I hope that RIM gets on the JS issue soon, as it's going to really hammer them if their browser isn't seen to be at least comparable to Safari on the iPhone.
I just got my Bold a couple of days ago. I am in Australia and am on the Optus 3G/Blackberry data plan. I have been on the plan for a couple of years. I have had none of the problems described in the article. I did get the phone a few weeks before the official launch. All i did was put my sim card in, and away I went.
I have found the speed of the Hot Spot browser to be very fast. And that is 3 levels from where my modem is!! With JS on, I am able to go to site such as www.formula1.com and view the Live Timing. Live timing uses specific Java Script, which my browser requests, then produces the screen.
My 3G speed is about the same speed as my Wi-Fi, in some web pages, much slower.
If any one is interested, I will attempt to the time the pages Kevin was trying. The way I see it is, that if you really want to surf the net quickly, safely, and efficiently, you won't be relying just on a smartphone. Saying that, the speed of the Bold that I have, is quick enough to keep me on the couch, instead of getting up to go to the computer.
Find it very buggy indeed. I'll just take the easy way out and buy myself an IPhone :)
Hi Kevin, thanks for the great post. So far I love my Bold and am having a good time comparing it with my iPhone loving coworkers. They sure aren't as fast with the touch keypad! We are in southern Alberta and do not yet have 3G so I haven't been able to try out the browser. I travel in 3G areas quite a lot so am eager to see how it runs. Any word on a fix for the browser issues?
Kevin, I sympathize with your frustrations, and believe you conducted a truly fair and exhaustive research on the Blackberry Bold. It seems from your writings you really wanted the Bold to succeed, showing a bit of biasness for Blackberry, but your tests and initiative showed honesty and integrity. Which only proves your honest intention throughout your research.
Just because the outcomes did not result in your desired expectations does not make your desired comparison a failure, it is actually a success. Your tests were conducted and the results are what they are. The results do not only conclude which device is faster than the other, but includes the failure of the devices, tasks to resolve the risen issues and the absolute conclusion or reults of your testing and efforts.
If I were you I would not take RIM's difference in results with a grain of salt. Since they failed to give you any data on their tests as you did for them to conduct a proper coomparison. Nor did they explain any reasons for the difference, I would say their results are inconclusive. At least you described your test enviornment, what was their environment? What makes their results more significant without proper documentation? and yours less significant with documentation? It seems they played the old corporate miracle story that works in their labs but no one gets to experience. This way they don't lose face and keep their good reputation.
So stop looking for excuses, that's RIM's department. You just have to deal with the fact that some companies have gotten caught in the race of competition but are not concentrating on the quality of their products. Remember Apple has not had experience in the cellphone or pda market before the iPhone, however they took the time to study it and work on the quality of their future product. Not to say they are the best and have no bugs, but their working on a quality based product with innovtive features maybe why the Apple iPhone has been such a hard product to beat.
Vincent Cruz
We're app developers and as you mentioned the BB is sounding like a no-go just because of the obstacles presented to users and the poor performance. We just completed our iPhone support and it's working great. Unfortunately for us there are just to many clients with BBs to ignore. Since I'm just re-acquainting myself with the world that is BB I was wondering if Opera's mini browser was an option? Does anyone have any experience with this?


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