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As we resume winter sports in the 2013 portion of the current season, only three schools are ranked in the top four of both boys basketball and wrestling — Davenport Assumption, Bettendorf and Creston.
That says a lot about the stable of male athletes walking the halls of CHS right now. And, the participation level.
In fact, a common denominator in the three best boys teams at Creston since the 1997 state champs is an unusual amount of seniors who stayed out to contribute, even if not in a starting role. You don't see a lot of that anymore.
I think back to the height and athleticism of Creston's 2001 substate basketball team that featured J.D. Schroder, Gabe Carroll, Addam Wall, Neil Lang and Jared Jensen. That team had a number of seniors come off the bench, or not play much at all. The Panthers beat Harlan during the regular season — the final time before this year's team did it — and then lost in a substate shootout to the Cyclones at Atlantic.
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This year is similar, with nine seniors still a part of the 8-0 balanced team in which nobody averages more than 13 points a game. In the last game before break, it was all seniors on the floor for the Panthers until the second-quarter appearance of junior Cole Thompson and sophomore Jay Wolfe.
That's a nice luxury for a coach, to be able to rely mostly on seniors. Especially at tournament time.
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This year's wrestling squad doesn't have record numbers, but coach Darrell Frain is still able to put quality varsity performers on the mat in every weight class, which not every coach can claim. They represented the state of Iowa well with a mid-pack finish (17th among 36 teams) in the multi-state, prestigious Kansas City Stampede last month.
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That brings me to girls basketball. It's a young team struggling to gain victories, but there is a chance to get over the hump tonight at home against Clarinda.
I'm supposed to be objective on the job, but it's hard not to stand there and pull for those girls, because I had many of them on middle school teams as a coach. Great kids, who will do anything for you.
But, not enough of them have stayed out over the years.
When these sophomores and freshmen were in seventh and eighth grades, Clay Arnold and I stood in the gym during the first team meeting in awe. There were 48 girls in there, interested in playing basketball.
We told them to work hard and listen in practice, and stay dedicated, because they could form the foundation of a girls basketball resurgence in Creston. We talked about the excitement of trying to reach a regional final someday, with a chance at the state tournament. But, it would take a lot of dedication, and not just November through February.
Two years later, there are 15 of those girls left. In fact, the high school roster is extremely youthful, as there are two seniors, four juniors, four sophomores and 11 freshmen.
I partly feel at fault, because there are kids in school not out for basketball who could make this team better, either through their athleticism on defense, or simply for some much-needed depth. Practice is better every day when you have a deep squad.
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I know other things come up. Sometimes kids want to step back and work on their skills in other sports. Or, they see themselves as being better in those sports, and they're not sure about accepting a reserve role on a team that trudges through a long four-month winter schedule.
But, coach Frain strongly believes the winter season is the most important for any athlete in the school. Lifting and individual workouts are fine, but intense daily work in a sport keeps that competitive edge.
"I've always told kids, I'd rather have you competing, especially in the winter," said Frain, who also sells the idea that wrestling can help football players with things like leverage and footwork. Collin Bevins and Hulett are the poster boys for those benefits to linemen, he said.
Football coach Brian Morrison harbors the same philosophy.
"Why compete for four seasons?" he asks rhetorically. "Because we respect our teammates and community."
Mutual support
The coaches need to support one another year-round in this delicate balancing act between off-season work, and allowing for strong in-season teams, Morrison said.
Coaches I talked to about this said across the board they are impressed by the dedication of so many of their athletes, but they agree that a systematic plan of respect for each other's sport is needed in their ranks.
"All the coaches must buy in and be supportive," said softball coach Mike McCabe, also involved in the volleyball and middle school basketball programs.
Statewide issue
As for girls basketball, low participation isn't unique to Creston. Last year an article in the Cedar Rapids Gazette noted the difficulties of Springville getting 12 girls out for the sport in four grades, just two years removed from a state runner-up finish. It's not unusual for Class 3A teams to have 10 or fewer kids from the top three grades on their roster.
"Basketball is a tough sport," Creston coach Larry McNutt said. "It's not a specialized sport. In basketball, you have to be good in several different areas, and there's a lot of hard work and running involved. It's not easy."
Last year, Cedar Rapids Jefferson, as a Class 4A school with 200 girls, had zero seniors playing basketball.
Basketball, once the king of girls sports participation in Iowa, has fallen to No. 4, behind volleyball, softball and track and field.
"I don't know what the problem is," said Waukon coach Gene Klinge, the state's all-time leader in victories and about to become the nation's sixth 1,000 game winner at 995-235. "I don't know what's causing it, but there's a problem."
All I know is, it's disheartening as a middle school coach to work hard with kids over the course of two years, see their potential develop, and then watch all that work fade away as they discard the sport in high school.
I admire kids like Creston senior Brianna Maitlen, among the state's best in track and softball for years, but also a key contributor in volleyball and basketball. She's improving on the hardcourt.
Somehow, we need to turn around the declining trend and ignite some excitement about a great sport again. We need more of the state's best volleyball and softball players to say, you know what, I'm going to give back to my school in basketball, too.
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20D + 16-35 f/2.8L USM + 24-70 f/2.8L USM + 70-200 f/2.8L IS USM + 100 f/2.8 Macro USM
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July 02, 2005, 07:43:20 AM »
You really need to set YOUR priorities first.
Debating weather to get 10-22 vs. 16-35 on the wide side or 70-300 DO vs. 70-200 IS in the tele end only shows that you can not make up your mind what is more important to YOU and sadly, none of us can help you with that. You seem to know that L lenses will give more quality but at the expense of heavier weight. Now, I may think that A is more important while another person will think otherwise. How does it help you? It doesn't. It's like asking which car to buy. Do you want an agile two-seater Honda S2000 or a people carrier minivan like the Renault Scenic? A 20 year old bachelor will get the former while a 40 year old with 3 kids will recommend the latter.
BTW, if I were to combine a 20D dream set it will probably consist of 10-22/3.5-4.5, 28/1.8, 85/1.8, Tamron 180/3.5 macro and 300/4 IS. See my point?
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July 11, 2005, 09:01:21 AM »
I voted for choice #3.
With the money you save on this combo:
1. Purchase DXO Optics and the lens modules for the two EFS lenses and the DO, the software corrects any distortion and CA and most agree that whatever shortcomings the EFS lenses have, sharpness is not one of them.
2. Get yourself the 28mm f1.8 (*1.6=45mm); I find I use it extensively for indoor and low-light work - it's my snapshot lens of choice and I only switch to the 17-85 when I need it. If I had to choose only 1 lens for the 20D it would be a very tough choice between the 28 f1.8 and the 17-85.
And obviously if you're planning to get a 1-series body later on then go for #1.
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July 31, 2005, 06:37:35 AM »
I started another similar thread, but with a low budget.
My EOS 20D dream would probably look like this:
WA - EF-S 10-22 f3.5-4.5 USM
Standard - 24-70 f 2.8 L - although I heard there are quite a large number of bad copies in stores, so I would be careful
Telephoto - definitely 70-200 f 2.8 (I would go with the normal version, although if you need IS, then get that one). I would probably add 300 f 4.0 which is around 1000 USD I think for longer reach, or, get a 1.4x teleconverter, which will make 98-280 f4.0 from your 70-200 f 2.8 - when used on 20D it is 160-448 f4.0.. not bad I think. I wouldn't go with the 70-300 DO - it's a small package, but it's terribly expensive - it's on par with 70-200 f2.8 L IS, which is around 1600 USD I think and it's f 4.5 - 5.6 - slow for such an expensive glass.
I heard 100 f 2.8 macro is a real beauty.. very sharp and good, but if you're going with 20D, mabye you should consider the new EF-S 60 f 2.8 macro.
And yes, If you will consider buying EOS 1 series body, then EF-S is not a good path.
Good luck with your choice
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August 07, 2005, 01:11:42 PM »
I agree with the previous post. Buy your lenses one or two at a time, and see how they work.
I have the 17-40 f/4L, 70-200 f/4 L, 50 f/1.4, and 24 f/1.4L for my 20D.
During the daytime, I carry the 17-40 and 70-200 in a very small and lightweight case.
The 24mm is the most expensive lens of all, but for shooting concerts or evenings, it's the one I turn to the most. I decided that when the f/4 wasn't fast enough, neither would the f/2.8.
My complaints with this? I want to go wider (10-22efs), also there is a big gap between 40 and 70mm that the 50mm lens does not always fill. But the 24-70 L is too large and heavy.
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July 02, 2005, 04:15:30 AM »
I'm quite new to this forum, just get into it accidentally from other sites link and found it is very useful. My question is pretty much the same old things, which lens to got with 20D.
I have a budget of around $4.5-6K to get into a completely new set of D-SLR & lens where I can live with for at least 5 years or more. From my style of shooting, I figure I will need at least 4 lens to cover all the range. I do shoot a lot of interior, landscape, travel & outdoor activities, then portrait & macro.
Here are 3 choices of the sets I have been thinking and can't make up my mind.
1.) Most expensive, best optics, but less wide angle coverage for my interior and very heavy for travel & outdoor.
20D + 16-35 f/2.8L USM + 24-70 f/2.8L USM + 70-200 f/2.8L IS USM + 100 f/2.8 Macro USM
2.) Mid range choice but should answer my need and left some $$ for more accesories like hi-speed CF card or flash
20D + EF-S 10-22 f3.5-4.5 USM + 24-70 f/2.8L USM + 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM + 100 f/2.8 Macro USM
3.) Light weight for my travel & outdoor shoots, less optic quality but get extra $$$ to go for more 1 or 2 more good optic prime lens like 50 f/1.4 or 35 f/1.4
20D + EF-S 10-22 f3.5-4.5 USM + EF-S 17-85 f/4-5.6 IS USM + 70-300 f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM + 100 f/2.8 Macro USM
Your comments should give me a better idea which set to go for. Thanks a lot.
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July 10, 2005, 04:12:52 PM »
I recently bought a 20D system for travel use and initially bought the following:
10-22, 17-40L, 50/2.5 macro, 70-300DO \
However, I found that the hole in 40-70 wasn't ideally filled by the 50/2.5 so added a 24-70/2.8L instead.
Now, I find myself using the 10-22, 24-70L, 70-300DO almost exclusively. The 17-40L is a better lens but I find that when I want to go wide that the 10-22 is just more convenient. It gets left behind when I travel light but used when I can afford the extra weight. I'm using DXO Optics Pro 3.0 to process the 10-22 files and these really improve if you apply this type of lens post-processing.
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August 06, 2005, 02:17:19 PM »
Why do you have to go and blow all that money at once ?
Why not buy a good general purpose lens like the 24-70 and shoot with it for a while. See how often you feel you need wider, how often you need more speed, how often you need more reach for portraits etc
Then once you can understand your shooting style and needs you can make an informed decision rather than asking a bunch of folks on an internet forum who may have totally different needs that you.
For example, you may find you only use the 70-200 at 200mm nearly every shot, or that even with f2.8 its too slow to stop action and you could instead consider the 135 f2 which is an excellent lens.
There really arent any bad lenses produced today and they produce such a wide range because they all have different strengths for different peoples needs and situations.
I have a 10-22, 15mm fisheye, 17-40, 17-85, and 24-70 for example and all those lens have different strengths depending on what my assignments and travel needs are.
Remember lenses are tools and you should tailor your lens choice to the demands your shooting needs place upon you. You shouldnt be limited in what you shoot or feel you have to shoot because of what lenses you bought
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I'm struggling to find replays with specific builds.
Right now I'm searching for blink stalkers into dark templars, but my question is generic.
closed as off-topic by 3ventic, Cloudy Music, KatieK, Frank, Billy Mailman Apr 11 '14 at 0:00
Check sc2replayed There is some fiters 'by strategy' (I didn't managed to found "blink stalkers" but probably just "stalkers" will be fine for start) and you can search by tags / description provided by players.
Plus, filter replays base by game length - blink stalkers and DT takes a long time to establish so replay cannot be shorter then 7 (it's a random number) minutes.
Another option, as Wipqozn said - if you search for common build replay - it's probably located nearby build order description.
Please, if you found that liquipedia build order description doesn't contain replays at all and you found them in other place - contribute to community by adding this replay to liquipedia!
If just videos of these strategies being executed is sufficient, two general ways to achieve it are
General online search for videos
Google video search / youtube search with the strategy description as query.
Open the relevant page for a strategy in the Liquipedia. At the very bottom of the page there will often be a few links to videos of pro-level games where that strategy has been used at the bottom of the page. If you want the actual replay, and not just a video, you can use the video name to search for the replay file.
For example, at the bottom of the liquipedia page for DT rush there's a link to a video called "HongunPrime.WE vs TSL.Fruitdealer" where that strategy was used.
I would check out ForceSC2Strategy or HDstarcraft on youtube. They have a whole catalog of specific builds for all races.


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Ok, enough whining, it's payback time. A real chopper artist can chop any bike, even this crusty old codger cruiser. In fact, the more I looked at the bike, the more I thought it would be a sweet ride. Check out all that chrome, look at that long spindly frame, yeah, I could make this happen...
Normally, I do not even bother with these frames because of their "lugged" construction. Lugged frames are not really welded at the head tube and bottom bracket, they are press fit and brazed. Because of this, you cannot really salvage the head tube or the bottom bracket, and this makes the frame useless for parts normally. Even the rims are those goofy 27-inch size, too big for a mountain bike tire. Because I was planning to hack this granny cruiser into something evil, I would be keeping most of the frame in one piece, so the project was still doable.
"Turn down that devil music, you crazy kids!" I could hear the bike talking to me. I thought I'd better rip it all apart before I start wearing a helmet and worrying about brakes! Photo 1 shows the old fashioned bike before hacking. These styles were easy to find at the dump or at yard sales.
More cool projects can be found at: http://www.chopzone.com and
Step 1: Reduced back to a pile of parts.
Ok, all done:
Here's my finished chopper bike
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Thursday, September 21, 2006
The Torture Chorus
Marty Lederman
The Bush Administration is having a bit of a rough time just now rounding up sufficient votes for its legislation to permit the CIA's use of cruel treatment in breach of the Geneva Conventions.
A very useful and timely compilation, which should be completed -- by anyone wishing to know what the Bush administration is truly seeking in Congress these days -- with the graphic and written materials available in connection with Abu Grahib and Guantanamo. Moreover, the op-eds and public statements made in several conferences and debates by John Yoo are required reading. He's the guy that, together with Addington, created the legal theory covering (or, even, inciting, if we are to believe William H. Taft IV's statements in the current issue of The Yale Journal International Law) torture as a valid interrogation technique and which later was only partially amended by the Department of Justice. Under such theory, Yoo not only doesn't believe that putting a naked suspect on a leash should be understood as "shocking the conscience", he has stated on the record that crushing the testicles of a suspected son's testicles doesn't either. Furthermore, Yoo has explicitly advocated for summary executions of any suspected terrorist that the President deems appropriate. That's the complete picture.
It is important to get this debate into the open. Ifthe US's government changes the interpretation of the Geneva Convention (which I vehemently oppose), it should it up front and not be disingenious about it. Make sure the world hears you, Marty
Note the lamentable, but entirely predictable fact that there are no Democrats quoted here. Where the hell ARE the Dems on this? They are pathetic. This 'tragedy' of letting the GOP battle among themselves is going to come back and haunt them. And the nation.
There are premises which, when refuted, obviate the rest of the conversation. For instance, in reference to the Traditional Values Coalition example of "public support" it must be pointed out that there is no "new form of war." There is nothing new about guerrilla tactics. There is nothing new about suicide bombers. There is nothing new about hijacking planes. The September 11, 2001 attacks did not usher in a new kind of war. And as long as we fail to refute this premise we find our selves endlessly embroiled in the all manner of truly damning conversations, such as how much torture should be allowed "under the new conditions," or how little due process should be accorded "for this new kind of war."
There is no novelty to the conflict at hand. The so-called "Global War on Terror" is not a war, not in the sense of the word used in the Constitution.
Take away this one premise, about the aptness of the war metaphor to the task of bringing the organizers of the September 11, 2001 attacks to justice and what is left? Law. Ours and that of nations all over the globe hold it a crime to steal planes, destroy buildings, murder civilians in cold blood. And with the international good will we enjoyed on September 12, 2001, we could have expected quite a bit of help enforcing those laws and bringing bin Laden and others to justice.
But on September 18, 2001 we took the first step toward throwing away that good will, and it has been downhill ever since; that was the day we passed the Authorization for Use of Military Force, legislatively embodying the fallacious elevation of the rhetoric of war into the unconstitutional granting of war powers to the President absent a bona fide armed struggle between nations.
It is a conversation stopper; remove this one flawed premise, that we are in some kind of new, or any kind of Constitutionally recognizable war, take away that cornerstone of the administration's arguments rationalizing it's opportunistic exploitations of the September 11, 2001 tragedy, and watch all the other arguments collapse. Enjoy for a moment the awkward silence that follows, then fill that silence with discussion of how to fix the damage we've done in the five years we've let this tragically flawed premise stand.
When making a list of cheerleaders for torture, one must not omit columnist Morton Kondracke, the token "moderate" on Fox News.
Whenever the subject comes up on Brit Hume's regular panel, Kondracke excitedly describes how cool waterboarding is, with the enthusiasm of a 10-year-old boy who has just discovered the joy of giving a wedgie to his kid brother.
Los Angeles Times --
September 16, 2006
By Julian E. Barnes
Q: Critics of the president's plan have said that redefining Geneva would put U.S. troops at risk. Has Common Article 3 ever protected an American service member?
A: Yes. In 1993, the United States invoked Common Article 3 protections for Chief Warrant Officer Michael J. Durant, who was captured by Somali warlords. Because he was not the prisoner of a government and because Somalia was embroiled in a civil war, traditional Geneva prisoner-of-war protections did not apply. Although Durant had been roughly treated initially, the militants ultimately decided to observe Common Article 3 and allowed the Red Cross to visit Durant.
Q: Would Common Article 3 protect U.S. forces in current conflicts?
A: Yes. Common Article 3 would protect a U.S. soldier captured by a rebel group in Afghanistan, the Philippines or Colombia -- if the captors observed it.
Does anyone seriously believe that it's consistent with due process or the 8th A to treat a common thief like the CIA treats suspected terrorists? Where does the Administration get the chutzpah to claim that they want to apply "constitutional" standards to detainees?
"[U]nder the Administration's view, we could no longer expect nonuniformed detained U.S. personnel to be able to rely on even the mininal protections of Common Article 3."
I don't think that's quite Berenson's point: rather, when he said, "when [U.S. soldiers] are captured they are treated far worse than our soldiers," he's talking about what happens now--they don't, now, rely on these protections, because the our enemies don't honor them. He's not saying that it would be fine to abandon present reliance on CA3--he's saying that we don't have any such present reliance to abandon.
While it's understandable that the administration and general public would get frustrated with the idea of honoring rules that our current opponents don't honor, the idea of throwing out Common Article 3 or reinterpreting the Geneva Convention to minimize our required adherence to it is a short-sighted gambit with serious long-term consequences. Yes, the current insurgent groups we fight against don't honor the Geneva Convention. They're also not national entities, or (in most cases) entities sponsored by nations, whom the Geneva Convention was meant to regulate. Future wars will likely be fought against different opponents, under different circumstances. Essentially throwing out the Geneva Convention may have a negligible effect on this war, against an enemy that does not recognize those statutes (where reciprocity is not likely to be much of a factor), but would likely have a much more detrimental effect in a future war, against a national opponent, in which U.S. prisoners are taken. That's what many of the president's opponents are attempting to say.
Reinterpreting the Geneva Convention to allow us to differentiate in our treatment of prisoners based on the type of war we fight is a very dangerous, arbitrary, and short-sighted precedent to set, and one which the president and his advisors do not seem to appreciate. The president's proposal isn't bad just because it allows torture...it's bad because it lacks vision and perspective.
Check this out:
Wouldn't that be weird if one of those agencies was like 100% ideological Republicans, but made itself look like a bunch of swank hippies in front of the media.
Oh, my alteration of the Berenson quote was wrong. I should have had "[people who work for the CIA]" rather than "[our soldiers]".
"The changes of the 1970's occurred largely because we had no serious national security threats to United States soil"
I guess Yoo forgot all about the cold war. Those soviet ICBMs were not any kind of threat to US soil at all, really. We were in a cold war with them for the sheer fun of it.
Berenson also provides a useful service in debunking another Administration talking point-- about unlawful combatants-- that has been around since soon after September 11. And that is that all American combatants are lawful combatants.
In fact, plenty of American combatants are unlawful combatants. Not only CIA personnel, but just any spies from any agency who take precautions to conceal their identity. And, of course, special forces officers who conceal themselves among the civilian propositions.
When people say "the Geneva Conventions don't apply to unlawful combatants" (the position rejected by the Hamdan Court), what they are really saying is that quite a few American fighters are subject to cruel and inhumane treatment, unfair military trials, and even, perhaps, summary execution.
Note that that tenured crank Thomas Sowell -- who has been allowed for far too long to believe that a chronically foul temper is an adequate substitute for brains -- says that:
(1) The only possible reason to refrain from torture -- and, indeed, from routine torture -- is to make sure that our enemies reciprocate, which doesn't apply with Moslem fanatics. Beg pardon? The US didn't do it with Japanese POWs either, despite the fact that Imperial Japan went on torturing and murdering our POWs with immense enthusiasm -- for the obvious reason that we knew we couldn't occupy Japan forever and didn't want its people to hate us after the war any more than was absolutely necessary. (Which, of course, applies even more in a conflict with the entire Moslem world, which we cannot even begin to occupy briefly.) George Washington forbade torture one-sidedly during the Revolutionary War for the same reason.
(2) That anyone who thinks that any independent judicial observers should be able to limit, or even monitor, federal wiretapping of American citizens AT ALL -- in order to make sure that the incumbent administration isn't doing it to people with absolutely no conceivable connection with terrorism, in order to dig up dirt on its political enemies (as two famous government leaders of the recent past did energetically) -- is opposed to "wiretapping" terrorists at all.
In short, we now have further confirmation that Sowell is very badly in need of a psychiatrist.
Note that that tenured crank Thomas Sowell -- who has been allowed for far too long to believe that a chronically foul temper is an adequate substitute for brains -- says that:
(1) The only possible reason to refrain from torture -- and, indeed, from routine torture -- is to make sure that our enemies reciprocate, which doesn't apply with Moslem fanatics. Beg pardon? The US didn't do it with Japanese POWs either, despite the fact that Imperial Japan went on torturing and murdering our POWs with immense enthusiasm -- for the obvious reason that we knew we couldn't occupy Japan forever and didn't want its people to hate us after the war any more than was absolutely necessary. (Which, of course, applies even more in a conflict with the entire Moslem world, which we cannot even begin to occupy briefly.) George Washington forbade torture one-sidedly during the Revolutionary War for the same reason.
(2) That anyone who thinks that any independent judicial observers should be able to limit, or even monitor, federal wiretapping of American citizens AT ALL -- in order to make sure that the incumbent administration isn't doing it to people with absolutely no conceivable connection with terrorism, in order to dig up dirt on its political enemies (as two famous government leaders of the recent past did energetically) -- is opposed to "wiretapping" terrorists at all.
In short, we now have further confirmation that Sowell is very badly in need of a psychiatrist.
Get real with the LAT quote. Do you really belive it was the Somali warlord's strict, uniform "observance" of CA3 that saved Durant? Or was it the fear of provoking massive US retaliation? Don't confuse the two.
Maybe you should ask some of the warlord's domestic enemies, who should also come under CA3. Or the civilians they were murdering and starving to death. That's why the UN was there in the first place.
Too bad they killed so many of them before you could ask.
From the NYTimes today about an agreement on the Detainee Bill at http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/21/washington/21cnd-detain.html?ex=1159502400&en=ea0f8eab858cd37a&ei=5070&emc=eta1
"Mr. Frist said the agreement had two key points. "Classified information will not be shared with the terrorists" tried before the tribunals, he said, according to Bloomberg News. And "the very important program of interrogation continues."
It was not immediately clear how Democrats — who have largely stood aside while the Republicans feuded — would react to the compromise."
Torture is a Christian value! And note the Democrats - full of principle - just sit on the sidelines.
Earlier, Berenson offered the now-boilerplate White House talking point that Common Article 3 standing alone is allegedly too vague....
But it doesn't stand alone.
Under Ronald Reagan, the USA signed the UN Convention Against Torture, which is specific:
For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions. [Part 1, Article 1, section 1.]
(Notice that "organ failure" and "death" are not requirements.)
This is not at all vague: Bush's "aggressive methods" clearly are torture.
Further relevant excerpts:
No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture.
An order from a superior officer or a public authority may not be invoked as a justification of torture.
No State Party shall expel, return ("refouler") or extradite a person to another State where there are substantial grounds for believing that he would be in danger of being subjected to torture.
Each State Party shall ensure that its competent authorities proceed to a prompt and impartial investigation, wherever there is reasonable ground to believe that an act of torture has been committed in any territory under its jurisdiction.
Each State Party shall ensure that any individual who alleges he has been subjected to torture in any territory under its jurisdiction has the right to complain to, and to have his case promptly and impartially examined by, its competent authorities. Steps shall be taken to ensure that the complainant and witnesses are protected against all ill-treatment or intimidation as a consequence of his complaint or any evidence given.
Each State Party shall ensure in its legal system that the victim of any act of torture obtains redress and has an enforceable right to fair and adequate compensation, including the means for as full rehabilitation as possible. In the event of the death of the victim as a result of an act of torture, his dependents shall be entitled to compensation.
Each State Party shall ensure that any statement which is established to have been made as a result of torture shall not be invoked as evidence in any proceedings....
The Bush Administration's actions are already flagrant violations of this signed and ratified treaty, which under the US Constitution is part of "the supreme law of the land".
"But that would be underestimating the ingenuity of the Administration's lawyers, who apparently have difficult-to-shock consciences, ..."
This is what is so odd about the rhetoric coming from the administration's supporters: they are substituting something reasonably clear for something very ambiguous. And since both the Bush and McCain Bill will prevent any detainee from challenging one's detention or one's treatment while being detained, the administration's interpretation -- which probably deems anything short of a nuclear holocaust not to be a shock to the conscience -- will be unchallenged.
What a joke!
Leading some guy around naked on a leash is torture? Come on!
When it comes to getting information, to saving lives, I don't care what ahppens to any of these AQ guys. If we have to flay his skin in acid, so be it. If we have to have him watch real time on a satellite as his children are fed to alligators, so be it. If we have unleash fire ants on his genitals, so be it.
And all these liberal babies whining about cold rooms, standing up and belly slapping.
It's odd that the same liberals who will fight to death to defend the right of women to torture their own children and plunge scissors in to the base of their skulls and suck out their brains with a vacuum are the same ones fighting to the death to protect terrorist animals from getting their just desserts.
As always, it is nice to see what the opposition is up to.
I ahve enough faith thta the public will continue to stand behind the President.
Surely men of reason and faith must see that the Geneva Conventions were meant only for application to wars of earthly orgin and purpose: wars among men, as it were.
The current was is a Holy War. A Crusade to stamp out, at long last, the Mohammedian Heresy. As a conflict sanctioned by Heaven, the laws of men do not apply.
The reinterpreted obligations under Geneva Common 3 would only allow the secular parts of our government which still remain to do their Duty to our Leader without legal ramifications.
Of course, all will be justified and forgiven in the Hereafter. Your analysis of this issue is certainly insufficiently Godly. Good day to you, sir!
Well, "Sarah," you'll be sorry to learn one of the prisoners we captured in a raid in Iraq, Ahmed Al-Karbala, has confessed under torture that you are an undercover Al Qaida operative, a member of a team well advanced in planning another terrorist attack against the Homeland...
No, you can't see the evidence against you. No, you can't have a lawyer. No, your family will be given no notification as to why you have disappeared from your house. No, you won't ever get a trial.
Yes, those are electrical clamps. No, on the advice of his lawyer John Yoo, the President has determined that applying them to various sensitive parts of your body is not "torture."
Now will you freely confess and tell us who your Al Qaida associates are? Or will we be forced to use "alternative" interrogation techniques to pry the information out of you?
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Cell Block 1&6: 3pm – 4pm
Cell Block 2: 4pm – 5pm
Cell Block C: 2pm – 3pm
Cell Block 3: 3pm – 4pm
Cell Block 4: 4pm – 5pm
Cell Block D: 2pm – 3pm
Cell Block 5: 3pm – 4pm
Cell Block B: 4pm – 5pm
Cell Block C: 12pm – 1pm
Cell Block A: 1pm – 2pm
Cell Block 1&6: 2pm – 3pm
Cell Block 2: 3pm – 4pm
Cell Block 3: 4pm – 5pm
Cell Block D: 1pm – 2pm
Cell Block 4: 2pm – 3pm
Cell Block 5: 3pm – 4pm
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All visitors will register with the visitation officer in the jail lobby. Visitors will remain in the lobby after registration until the Inmate's name is called.
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Only 3 visitors will be allowed in the visitation booth at one time, children included.
Each visit will be limited to 20 minutes. The shift supervisor must approve any extended visits.
Visitors under the age of 17 must be accompanied by a parent or legal guardian. All adult visitors must show a valid State ID card.
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Intoxicated visitors will not be allowed to visit and may be subject to arrest.
Smoking is not allowed in the jail lobby or the visitation booth.
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Failure to comply with any of these rules may result in immediate termination of the visit and the temporary or permanent barring of the visitor from further visitation.


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Ruins of Kilwa Kisiwani and Ruins of Songo Mnara
Ruins of Kilwa Kisiwani and Ruins of Songo Mnara
The remains of two great East African ports admired by early European explorers are situated on two small islands near the coast. From the 13th to the 16th century, the merchants of Kilwa dealt in gold, silver, pearls, perfumes, Arabian crockery, Persian earthenware and Chinese porcelain; much of the trade in the Indian Ocean thus passed through their hands.
Ruines de Kilwa Kisiwani et de Songo Mnara
Sur deux petites îles toutes proches de la côte tanzanienne, subsistent les vestiges de deux grands ports qui firent l'admiration des premiers voyageurs européens. Du XIIIe au XVIe siècle, les marchands de Kilwa échangèrent l'or, l'argent, les perles, les parfums, la vaisselle d'Arabie, les faïences de Perse et la porcelaine de Chine, tenant ainsi entre leurs mains une bonne part du commerce de l'océan Indien.
آثار كيلوا كيسيواني وسونغو منارا
تقبع على جزيرتين صغيرتين قريبتين من ساحل تانزانيا آثار مرفئين كبيرين حظيا بإعجاب المسافرين الاوروبيين الأوائل. وما بين القرن الثالث عشر والسادس عشر، كان تجار كيلوا يتبادلون الذهب والفضة واللؤلؤ والعطور والاواني العربية والخزفيات الفارسية والبورسلان الصيني، فيمسكون بزمام جزء كبير من تجارة المحيط الهندي.
source: UNESCO/ERI
source: UNESCO/ERI
Руины Килва-Кисивани и Сонга-Манара
Остатки двух значительных портов Восточной Африки, восхищавших первых европейских пришельцев, находятся на двух небольших островах около побережья. В XIII-XVI вв. купцы Килвы торговали золотом, серебром, жемчугом, духами, арабской посудой, персидской керамикой и китайским фарфором. Большая часть торговли в регионе Индийского океана проходила через их руки.
source: UNESCO/ERI
Ruinas de Kilwa Kisiwani y Songo Mnara
En dos pequeñas islas muy cercanas a la costa tanzana subsisten vestigios de dos importantes puertos que fueron la admiración de los primeros viajeros europeos en el África Oriental. Desde el siglo XIII hasta el XVI, una gran parte del comercio del Océano Índico pasó por las manos de los mercaderes de Kilwa que traficaban con oro, plata, perlas, perfumes, loza de Arabia, cerámica de Persia y porcelana de China.
source: UNESCO/ERI
source: NFUAJ
Ruïnes van Kilwa Kisiwani en Songo Mnara
De ruines van de havensteden Kilwa Kisiwani en Songo Mnara liggen op twee kleine eilanden net buiten de Tanzaniaanse kust. De overblijfselen van Kilwa Kisiwani zijn de Grote Moskee, het paleis Husuni Kubwa met zijn grote achthoekige zwemvijver, kleinere moskeeën, de Gereza (gevangenis) en een stedelijk complex. De ruines van Songo Mnara bestaan uit vijf moskeeën, een paleiscomplex en drieëndertig woonhuizen. Van de 13e tot de 16e eeuw handelden Kilwa-kooplieden in goud, zilver, parels, parfums, Arabisch servies, Perzisch aardewerk en Chinees porselein. Chinees porselein bleef een ruilmiddel tot ver na de introductie van het monetaire systeem in de stad Kilwa.
Source: unesco.nl
Outstanding Universal Value
Brief synthesis
Located on two islands close to each other just off the Tanzanian coast about 300km south of Dar es Salaam are the remains of two port cites, Kilwa Kisiwani and Songo Mnara. The larger, Kilwa Kisiwani, was occupied from the 9th to the 19th century and reached its peak of prosperity in the13th and 14th centuries. In 1331-1332, the great traveler, Ibn Battouta made a stop here and described Kilwa as one of the most beautiful cities of the world.
Kilwa Kisiwani and Songo Mnara were Swahili trading cities and their prosperity was based on control of Indian Ocean trade with Arabia, India and China, particularly between the 13th and 16th centuries, when gold and ivory from the hinterland was traded for silver, carnelians, perfumes, Persian faience and Chinese porcelain. Kilwa Kisiwani minted its own currency in the 11th to 14th centuries. In the 16th century, the Portuguese established a fort on Kilwa Kisiwani and the decline of the two islands began.
The remains of Kilwa Kisiwani cover much of the island with many parts of the city still unexcavated. The substantial standing ruins, built of coral and lime mortar, include the Great Mosque constructed in the 11th century and considerably enlarged in the 13th century, and roofed entirely with domes and vaults, some decorated with embedded Chinese porcelain; the palace Husuni Kubwa built between c1310 and 1333 with its large octagonal bathing pool; Husuni Ndogo, numerous mosques, the Gereza (prison) constructed on the ruins of the Portuguese fort and an entire urban complex with houses, public squares, burial grounds, etc.
The ruins of Songo Mnara, at the northern end of the island, consist of the remains of five mosques, a palace complex, and some thirty-three domestic dwellings constructed of coral stones and wood within enclosing walls.
The islands of Kilwa Kisiwani and Songo Mnara bear exceptional testimony to the expansion of Swahili coastal culture, the lslamisation of East Africa and the extraordinarily extensive and prosperous Indian Ocean trade from the medieval period up to the modern era.
Criterion (iii): Kilwa Kisiwani and Songo Mnara provide exceptional architectural, archaeological and documentary evidence for the growth of Swahili culture and commerce along the East African coast from the 9th to the 19th centuries, offering important insights regarding economic, social and political dynamics in this region.
The Great Mosque of Kilwa Kisiwani is the oldest standing mosque on the East African coast and, with its sixteen domed and vaulted bays, has a unique plan. Its true great dome dating from the 13th was the largest dome in East Africa until the 19th century.
Integrity (2010)
The key attributes conveying outstanding universal value are found on the islands of Kilwa Kisiwani and Songo Mnara. However, two associated groups of attributes at Kilwa Kivinje, a mainly 19th century trading town, and Sanje Ya Kati, an island to the south of Kilwa where there are ruins covering 400 acres, including houses and a mosque that date to the 10th century or even earlier, are not included within the boundaries of the property.
The property is subject to invasion by vegetation and inundation by the sea, and vulnerable to encroachment by new buildings and agriculture activities that threaten the buried archaeological resources. The continued deterioration and decay of the property leading to collapse of the historical and archeological structures for which the property was inscribed, resulted in the property being placed on the List of World Heritage in Danger in 2004.
Authenticity (2010)
The ability of the islands to continue to express truthfully their values has been maintained in terms of design and materials due to limited consolidation of the structures using coral stone and other appropriate materials, but is vulnerable, particularly on Kilwa Kisiwani to urban encroachment and coastal damage as these threaten the ability to understand the overall layout of the mediaeval port city. The ability of the sites to retain their authenticity depends on implementation of an ongoing conservation programme that addresses all the corrective measures necessary to achieve removal of the property from the List of World Heritage in Danger.
Protection and management requirements (2010)
The sites comprising the property are legally protected through the existing cultural resource policy (2008), Antiquities Law (the Antiquities Act of 1964 and its Amendment of 1979) and established Rules and Regulations. Both the Antiquities laws and regulations are currently being reviewed.
The property is administered under the authority of the Antiquities Division. A site Managerand Assistant Conservators are responsible for the management of the sites. A Management Plan was established in 2004 and is currently under revision. Key management issues include climate change impact due to increased waveaction and beach erosion; encroachment on the site by humans and animals (cattle and goats); an inadequate conservation programme for all the monuments, and inadequate community participation and awarenessof associated benefits.
Long term major threats to the site will be addressed and mechanisms for involvement of the community and other stakeholders will be employed to ensure the sustainable conservation and continuity of the site. There is a need for better zoning of the property for planning in order to ensure development and agricultural uses do not impact adversely on the structures and buried archaeology.
Long Description
Kilwa Kisiwani and Songo Mnara are two archaeological sites of prime importance to the understanding of the Swahili culture, the Islamization of the east coast of Africa and the extensive commerce of the medieval period and the modern era. These are islands, situated close to each other, off the Tanzanian coast. On each island a complex of ruins has been preserved, but those of Kilwa Kisiwani are by far the most important.
The site has been occupied from the 9th to 19th centuries and reached its peak in the 13th and 14th centuries. Among the many monuments these are some of the most important:
- The vestiges of the Great Mosque, constructed in the 12th century of coral tiles imbedded in a core of puddled clay, but considerably enlarged in the 15th century in the reign of Sultan Soulaiman ibn Mohammed el Malik el Adil (1412-22).
- The remains of the Husuni Kubwa Palace, built between around 1310 and 1333 by the sultan Al Hasan.
- Numerous mosques.
- The Geraza (Swahili for 'prison') constructed on the ruins of the Portuguese fortress.
- An entire urban complex with houses, public squares, burial grounds, etc.
- The ruins of Songo Mnara, at the extreme north of the island of Songo, comprise five mosques and a number of domestic dwellings of puddled clay and wood within the enclosure walls. A poorly identified construction of larger dimensions is known as 'the palace'.
The ceramics and small objects gathered during the excavations bear exceptional testimony to the commercial, and consequently cultural, exchanges of which Kilwa, and to a lesser extent, Songo were the theatre. Cowrie shells and beads of glass, carnelian or quartz were mixed with porcelain of the Sung dynasty as a medium of exchange from the 12th century. Chinese porcelain and Islamic monochrome faience continued to be the vectors of a bartering system well after the appearance of a monetary atelier at Kilwa.Source: UNESCO/CLT/WHC
News (3)
- First Entrepreneurship Field Training held for African site managers and community representatives Wednesday, October 22, 2014
- Tanzania's Ruins of Kilwa Kisiwani and Ruins of Songo Mnara removed from UNESCO List of World Heritage in Danger Tuesday, June 17, 2014
- Tragic accident at Kilwa Kisiwani World Heritage site Friday, September 7, 2007


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I'm filling holes in sheetmetal from anywhere from pin holes to 1/2 in size. As I fill them, I'm ending up with too much material build up that I then need to grind smooth.
Any suggestions to eliminate this extra effort?
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We'll assume your using GMAW with a C-25 gas and .023 wire for best results.
Next, make sure you are pulsing the trigger to minimize the heat input while still adding filler.
Now, the coup de grace: get a flat piece of copper (we call it a "spoon") even if you have to flatten out a piece of copper pipe. Place it behind the hole and the molten steel will not stick to it while it holds it in place for a nice smooth backside.
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I agree with MAC702 but I use a slab of brass behind the area to be filled. Also on some of the bigger holes I would cut a piece of sheet steel and tack it behind the repair area if you can, cut out any bad or rusty metal and slide the piece behind it and weld away.
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Along with the other good suggestions, get some ESAB Easy Grind wire in .023 size.Regards, George
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Thanks for the replies. Sorry for the lack of initial information. I'm new to the whole forum thing.
Yes, GMAW, C25 Gas. I'm probably using too big of wire (.045) and not pulsing as suggested. I'll have to get some of the ESAB Easy Grind next time around.
I was under the assumption that using the copper for the backing was only needed when closing up larger holes. I'll try it as well.
Millermatic 200 w Spool
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.045" is way too big. Use something like .023" or .025" for better results.


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But the evaluation faces another delay because Ard informed commissioners earlier this week she can't attend Monday's meeting because she's scheduled to attend a government conference she previously registered for.
Ard sent city commissioners a text message to alert them of her absence. "We'll just have to wait until she gets back to complete it," said commissioner Keith Grohe, who's captaining the evaluation process.
Commissioners originally estimated the evaluation process would take about 30 days when first announced in mid-July.
The delay in finishing an evaluation is frustrating to some, including commissioner Diedre Cole. "I just want to get this process over with," Cole said. "It's long overdue, and it's taking an inordinate amount of time to do something that should have been done months ago."
Ard, hired in October 2011, still hasn't received a job evaluation since starting.
"It should have been done in January (2013)," commissioner Wes Poole said. "It's my expectation that we will complete it as soon as possible."
Watch Sandusky City Commission Diedre Cole on Between the Lines today
Evaluation time
Ard seemingly doesn't want to receive an evaluation.
In March, she publicly disputed any notion that she's required to receive an evaluation.
She indicated someone waived the review clause during an informal gathering weeks before commissioners hired her. There's no record, however, that anyone waived the provision.
Two city contracts also clearly spell out an evaluation process; Ard's employment contract and a contract with a firm hired by the city in 2011 to assist in finding a city manager.
A Register analysis published in January determined Ard — whose annual salary is about $126,000 — failed to complete or did not address 12 goals officials established for her in 2012.
Nicole Ard's goals
A Register analysis published in January determined Sandusky city manager Nicole Ard did not fully accomplish 12 goals set for her in 2012. The story relied on city data and sources.
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2. Prioritize and track projects
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4. Hire police chief, improve department operations
5. Approve balanced budget
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10. Develop and implement strategic plan
11. Negotiate three union contracts
12. Update policies and procedures
The story relied on city data and sources to conclude Ard, at the time, did not fully accomplish a single goal. Ard declined to provide any information while the article was being researched, and she has not refuted the information in it since it was published.
Despite her lack of progress, some commissioners fully support Ard.
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Never too early to peek ahead a bit. Our Defensive Team, could have a whole new look next year. Might be good, might be bad.
Never too early to peek ahead a bit. Our Defensive Team, could have a whole new look next year. Might be good, might be bad.
i just pray that welker is re-signed by us!!!
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I agree that extending Welker is a must-do. I would also like to see us keep Lemon and Bell.Originally Posted by Aussiefinfan54
I believe that Zach and Jason will restructure their contracts to stay with the team so that will free up more cap room and give us some buying power the FA market.
Restructuring usually means pushing out the cap hit into later years. We've got to stop doing that with Zack and Jason, especially considering they're entering their final years.
After reading that article, I don't think Carter will be back next season. $6.5 million for Carter when you have Matt Roth waiting in the wings makes no sense.
Yeah, I also dont think Zach Thomas will be here either. I think that Crowder will be moved to MLB, Pope moved over to WLB, and Adalius Thomas signed to play the SLB. :wink:Originally Posted by MiamiMan147
does anyone know what the cap hit becomes if a player retires? because that would have a lot of bearing on what happens with ZT and JT. on that i think we should keep both, gonna be hard to replace them. also, bring back Bell and Welker for sure, cant let those guys go.
Carter will take a pay cut to come back. His contract was pretty much a two-year deal with a bunch of funny money at the end.
Since we have a little breathing room with the cap, we ought not do anything with Jason Taylor's contract, and the only restructuring we ought to consider with Zach Thomas will be to see if he is willing to convert some of his base salary to incentives.
Does anyone know Daunte's salary status for 2007? I know he restructured for us in 2006, and his base salary was real low, like $1M. But, I know he's got a huge contract, so at some point, his salary needs to skyrocket.
Daunte doesn't have that bad of a contract actually...


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