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Do you think we should continue genetic engineering?
Hi, Genetic engineering is basically altering/modifying the genes of humans or other species like plants.
Of course there are benefits that come with it for example humans can correct defective genes of their fetus or mayble plants can be more yielding and resistant to pests.
However there are also other concerns like humans exploiting it to alter genes of fetus to make them more beautiful , formation of superweeds, maybe poor farmers cannot benefit from the HYVs and are at a disadvantage, and more importantly a question that lingers in my head is, is it wrong to modify the genes that we have innately maybe due to religious or moral reasons.
Lets debate on this questions-should we continue genetic engineering? if yes why, if no why.
Jul 3 2013: "alter genes of fetus to make them more beautiful"
and this is bad ... how?
"formation of superweeds"
and this is bad ... how?
"poor farmers cannot benefit"
poor people can't get the newest technology, whatever it is, gene modification or machinery. we can't oppose progress based on that.
"maybe due to religious or moral reasons"
if you have moral or religious reasons, don't modify your genes, or your cattle's genes, or your child's genes. you don't have to.
Jul 29 2013: Are you saying superweeds aren't bad? Superweeds are unwanted plants that have become resistant to herbicides meaning more and stronger herbicides have to be used to kill the super weeds, which means more herbicides get into our system through air, water, and soil. The environment gets polluted, the farmer has to be spend more money on herbicides for constantly stronger superweeds, the consumer has to pay more to offset these costs, and the only ones making money are the ones selling herbicide who are often the ones selling the GMO's.
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Jul 3 2013: If many people believe that we should NOT continue genetic engineering, I don't thonk that we can enforce this policy throughout the world. For example, the nuclear weapons are probably the most horrible disaster which could happen right now, but we already have7 or 8 countries have the NW today, and there are at least 2 more trying to develop them. So in this fractionated world, it is impossible to detect if some one is secretly developing some tiny seeds or insects or rats. Also, just like nuclear reactions, even there was only one country researched and made the early nuclear bombs, eventually other countries will find a way to make them too.
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So the problem is not whether we should or shouldn't continue, because the genie is already out of the bottle, so to speak. The only preventive or defensive measure is to set up another international limiting agreement on the GE biological WEAPONS, in addition to the nuclear and chemical and any other weapons of mass destruction. However, GE seeds or animals which benefit our needs should not be restricted as long as they are tested as safe.
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Jun 30 2013: I do not think we should stop genetic engineering (GE) research.
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I think GE products should be kept tightly sealed in the lab until we have a legal infrastructure to assure that the proper people can be held responsible for any and all damages.
Current corporate law was developed to protect investors from such liability, to encourage the development of new products. It worked very well when new products sold to thousands of people and took years to spread around a single country. A global market, and its consequences, was not a consideration.
Now the potential damages from GE and other super powerful technologies are on a scale that could not have been imagined a century ago. The legal infrastructure is out of date and completely inadequate. The global market can produce many billions in profits from a very small investment, with no commensurate risk. So the legal system, by providing no means to compensate the people harmed, and providing no accountability for that harm, encourages extremely risky endeavors.
Scientists, bio-engineers, and entrepreneurs are now telling the public that GE products are safe, when simple common sense tells us that would require studies that go on for decades and, in many cases, multiple human generations. These people are not lying, they have convinced themselves. If I thought I could feed the starving millions of the world, while making billions of dollars for myself, I would be convinced too.
GE is potentially the most beneficial technology that mankind will ever produce. It will be with us forever more. We should not rush into the production of GE products and spreading them around the globe until the risk/benefit analysis is comprehensive and complete, and the legal infrastructure is adequate.
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Jun 30 2013: Here is a TED talk related to your question: http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_root_wolpe_it_s_time_to_question_bio_engineering.html
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Jul 30 2013: Thank you for providing the link, here's a talk on what was mentioned in yours - the first synthetic cell:
http://www.ted.com/talks/craig_venter_unveils_synthetic_life.htmlJul 29 2013: Yes! we definitely should.
But as with all technologies, we need to have some rules about how we use the technology... And respect the "do no harm" principle.
Other than that: use it for the better, make new species, try and figure out our code of life! Make tastier and healthier food. Make DNA enhancers through retroviruses if that is safe enough.
So many potential benefits... would be silly to abandonJul 29 2013: We should continue to research genetic engineering. We should use our findings in the real world on a case by case basis with strict standards and only after we as a society have matured enough to use such powerful tools. The problem with much of the genetic engineering today is in the application of it before it is fully understood. There is such pressure by corporations and from the markets to get genetically engineered products into the hands of the consumer and generating profits. That shouldn't have the extraordinary influence it has. Societies, and specifically governments, need time to adjust to these new technologies. We are capable of building nuclear weapons but that doesn't mean we should use them and by rushing out to use them in non-weaponized forms we still caused major disasters that ail us even to this day. The same is going to happen, is in fact, already happening with genetic engineering. Do all the research you want. That part I'm sure of. The application part is where it gets messy. Tread cautiously. Here be dragons.Jul 17 2013: Wait a second, making your child more beautiful is a bad thing? How so? Why would you ever want an ugly child, furthermore, why would you ever want a child being born with a mental disease that was caused genetically, like schizophrenia?Jul 3 2013: I've been researching on this topic a lot for my school projects, and one of the most powerful arguments (by Lee M. Silver, I believe), who expressed that the biggest problem will be the difference between the High End population and lower end. If the rich people get acces to genetic altering that results in their children being more intellectuel, more athletic, without disease or future illness - it will create a bigger difference between the two classes. It will lock people in place, seeing as coming from a lower class to the richer parts of society would be a lot harder, seeing as they have genetic benefits, whereas to this day, the genetic pool is a random chance.
– I do not believe it's a process able to stop either. That was the conclusion to my research. The conclusion was basically that judging from the progress within the technology and the debates found to this date, it will be best for us to confront the technology head-on. Some countries will get it, and some won't - those who gets it first will force the others due to better ability of working. We should appoint a council who administrates which genes are legal at a time, and evaluate every step to conclude whet ever or not the gene can be used or discontinued in the future.
Jul 17 2013: So you would rather rich people be stupid as well? If only a fraction of the population could be more intelligent, could be more improved, that would be better for the human race than having everyone being not so smart and not so good looking.
Jul 20 2013: Heh, good point - I guess in my point of view I believe it's more ethical to think of a society where people can feel as they do now - that they have many peers and people to connect with - a society where we go amongst each other. I'm afraid Germline Engineering will bring forth an era where the rich are intellectual, beautiful, disease-less, immune to cancer etc. and the poor are the exact opposite, unless they're lucky. This would mean a minority of a society would basically use the majority as a sort of slavery - dividing the society into two bits instead of one unit as we are now.
I think your point is good, considering that it may improve our economy and intellect, but seen from a humanistic point of view we would go back to a more primitive society in the way that the High Class would feel "superior" to the lower. I know that's also happening now, but this would split society
Jul 22 2013: You write as if right now everyone is stupid, ugly, and disease ridden, as if today all humans are on a single level and are equal and that genetic modification will create class divisions: the smart versus the stupid, the beautiful versus the ugly, the healthy versus the diseased. But such divisions already exist, and the people who are smart, beautiful, etc. are so primarily because they were lucky enough to have their best genes expressed, and I don't understand why we shouldn't take even more people into this superior state of existence, even if the ones who get in are primarily the children of wealthy people. Basically, the reason the "High Class" was a terrible thing to have in ancient times was because the people it comprised of weren't always smart or competent compared to average people (I mean, you could have a complete idiot become the ruler of vast lands because he happened to be the child of the previous king), and so it became efficient to instead give everyone the chance to get elected so that smart, competent people, no matter what level of society they came from, could have a chance to rule the state. However, the existence of the "High Class" would be a great thing if everyone in it were actually very intelligent and capable, something genetic modification could result in.Jul 29 2013: No, that wasn't a good point. He's making you assume that more intelligent and more improved means that those people will also act ethically and fairly and morally and won't take advantage of the poorer and stupider people. BUT that's exactly what many of the rich and intelligent do today. They take advantage of the poor. They take advantage of the stupid. You really think that making some people richer and smarter and all that is automatically going to make the world a better place?Jul 29 2013: That's not necessarily true. I tend to agree with you, but you would have to measure the benefits to society of this small group of smarter people and balance it out against the costs to society. The costs would be that it creates a lot of envy and jealousy, it creates a class system, it creates a system that can be abused by the smaller, smarter class of people, because smarter doesn't equal fairer.
"If only a fraction of the population could more intelligent, could be more improved" what stops them from taking advantage of that and abusing their powers and abilities and subjecting the poor and the stupid to their unfair, immoral, unethical rule? Why should I assume that the fraction who have the improvements and intelligence will do the right thing with it?
Jul 29 2013: Well, you simply are going off the philosophical belief that one is to be treated well even if he/she is incompetent. The reason I dislike the fact that the rich take advantage of the poor today is because by doing so, they prevent intelligent poor people who have a lot of potential from realizing their potential (example: a poor child grows up to be menial laborer instead of a rocket scientist or a doctor because the rich never gave him an education), but in fact, if that child were indeed stupid, were indeed incompetent, I would be perfectly fine with him being ill-treated and taken advantage of by those who are superior so that they could reach their potential, those with less potential are worth less than those with more potential. And also, what I'm saying is that division and envy already exists, the smarter will always be hurting the weaker, but the more people we can take to a superior state of existence the better, because we are saving them from being idiots who are being taken advantage of by the more intelligent, instead of a small fraction being superior, a bigger percentage can be superior.Jul 29 2013: "I would be perfectly fine with him being ill-treated and taken advantage of by those who are superior so that they could reach their potential, those with less potential are worth less than those with more potential."
Did you really just say that? You know who shares that rhetoric don't you?
Jul 29 2013: Yeah, yeah, I know the Nazis, the old demonization by association approach, a popular strategy amongst the politically correct pseudo-intellectuals who eat up all the standard moral principles (which, by the way, were born by some philosopher pulling some philosophical axiom out of his ass a long time ago) without ever questioning them. Well, Daniel, how about you question the substance of my point without playing off the people who said it before, and who instead are awful because of entirely different reasons (the main reason the Nazis are hated is because they killed perfectly capable people simply based off their religion, not for eliminating a few useless retards) . In fact you cannot ever prove your point that all people are entitled to be given a certain standard of living, no matter how useful they are because saying so is simply stating a philosophical assumption. However, being practical and allowing everyone to reach their potential actually makes much more sense as it recognizes the reality that not everyone is equal.Jul 29 2013: Rajiv, my fire-breathing friend, I'd be happy to question the substance of your point, but first would you kindly point it out to me, because I cannot find anything of substance anywhere in what you've written.
Jul 29 2013: I'd love to, basically, (I don't think I explained it very well, sorry for that) my underlining basis is the fact that no philosophical belief ( eg: definitions of right or wrong, or any rights (or entitlements, depends on what you want to call them)) can be proven, instead each philosophy claiming to be "just" is based off philosophical assumptions (such as "all humans are equal" and "all humans deserve food, water and shelter" ) things that are intended to be applied regardless of the situation or usefulness of the person or people, things INCORRECTLY seen as fundamental truths. Instead, I believe that, in the absence of any other way to measure human beings that relies on reality instead of assumption, we should measure the worth of humans based on the potential for them to be productive, that is, what will a given human, if given education and sustenance, be able to achieve and produce (whether it may be an idea or a method, or a tangible product) that would benefit his/her society the most. I realize that such a measure does not indicate how good or bad this person is, after all, God (if he/she/it exists) may favor those based on a different metric, a different quality, but it is foolish to judge people based on pre-conceived notions of good and bad, for we do not truly know what good or bad is, we only assume certain things are good and others bad. So this is my point, and the rationale behind it in summation: We do not know what is philosophically/morally right or wrong, so lets instead measure things and people by how much they benefit us and improve our well-being".Jul 30 2013: It is unjust of you to lump things like political theory and religious doctrine in with "philosophical assumptions" and "philosophical belief" and, furthermore, do you realize that you're own argument is a philosophical stance?
My own stance, that of natural rights, inalienable, self-evident, and all such "fundamental truths" (which you say are incorrect) are also said to be incorrect in the eyes of philosophers such as Jeremy Bentham in 'Critique of the Doctrine of Inalienable, Natural Rights' and Edmund Burke in 'Reflections on the Revolution in France" and even Jean-Jacques Rousseau in 'The Social Contract.'
You're not standing apart from centuries of philosophical debate on this topic, you're just taking one side and then for some reason you're standing there lambasting the other side for philosophizing and failing to realize that you are still philosophizing, too. I don't even think you realize that your argument is so old and well-known it has a name, a philosophical term all its own. You're citing me for a naturalistic fallacy, saying that just because I think all this human equality is naturally occurring doesn't mean I can rely on it being natural to equate it was goodness or being right.
Jul 30 2013: I certainly agree (at least in part) with Bentham, Burke, and Rousseau (and that is whom I am influenced by), but my beliefs are not philosophical, they are practical, because they do not assume to be morally/philosophically/fundamentally true, but are instead designed so as to increase the efficiency and overall well-being of a given society REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS (philosophically speaking) RIGHT OR WRONG. It is true that I do mention fundamentals, but only to point out that the philosophical axioms of Inalienable rights have not been PROVEN to be fundamental, that is a statement of pure, some would say scientific, fact, not a philosophical statement.
Honestly, philosophical assumptions have as much substance as religious doctrine, in that both things rely on assumptions or so called "fundamental truths" for their points to be valid.
Yes, just because you think human equality is naturally occurring (why you think that I don't understand, when you clearly see some humans being inherently smarter and more capable to benefit their societies than others ) doesn't mean you can rely on it being right, because its not about what you THINK when you cannot back up your thoughts with even a shred of evidence, philosophical claims aren't valid, anything can be right or wrong. Instead you should realize that morals, ethics, and all philosophy should be thrown out the window, especially when it starts to affect the real world, and instead we should base things on their practical value.Jul 30 2013: First and foremost, please don't try the de-humanization approach, just because I'm not like you, doesn't mean I'm not human, you don't have to subscribe to a philosophical code to be "human", instead you can decide what you want, realize that your time here on Earth is limited, and make the most of it by arguing for a society that values what you value without paying homage to a pre-conceived doctrine. It is just as "human" to murder and rape as it is to love and help, and the fact that you instead try to demonize me by ignoring the broad scope of the human condition, instead choosing to re-define "humanity" as just what you embody, is utterly shameful and is a testament to how far people like you are willing to go to attempt to justify your unjustifiable beliefs.
I understand that not all philosophy is un-provable, propositions such as "I think therefore I am" are indeed self-proving, but the philosophy we discussed regarding human rights is indeed steeped in assumption, assumptions about the worth of a human life regardless of its practical value, and although such notions include logical deductions, the deductions themselves stem from assumptions or axioms, thus rendering their conclusions invalid.
And Daniel, pardon my language but please cut the BS, a mentally retarded person incapable of even basic speech IS NOT PRACTICALLY USEFUL, and supporting such a person is not efficient in the slightest (maybe they will be able to cure such people and rid them of their retardation in the future, but right now allowing them to starve is the most best policy a truly efficient government can adopt). Sustaining people because there now useless abilities MIGHT be useful in the future is a truly inefficient approach, and indeed a very risky one at that. Instead if we invest in people with the skills needed for TODAY, the society would prosper the maximum amount.Jul 30 2013: One more thing to consider, I'm pretty sure our ancestors would look down shamefully at you, Daniel, did they accept their faults and the fact that they were bound to die of disease? No, they created medicine. Did they, upon seeing the threat of large empires on the horizon, accept otherwise inevitable military defeat? No, they created advanced weapons and military strategies. Did they, upon gazing at the vast bodies of water before them, loose hope of ever exploring this vast world? No, they created ships and sailed. Covering down and accepting your weaknesses without doing anything shouldn't be seen as something to be proud of, it ought to be seen as something to be ashamed of, in order for the population to continue to improve itself. You may want to live in a society that is depressed all of the time, but that's definitely not my utopia.
And no you're completely wrong, if you need the notion "natural rights" to make you feel like you matter, you're obviously a parasite who has no practical ability, the people who have done the most, been the most productive (or even relatively productive), don't need to rely on philosophical assumption to feel good, but instead on their own achievements.
Your proposition that natural rights make people more motivated or more efficient, doesn't make any sense, at all. Eliminating this bizarre notion of natural rights and affirming that one's worth is dependent completely on his/her productivity, is obviously the best way to motivate him/her to be as productive as he/she can possibly be.Jul 30 2013: No, I'm sorry, Rajiv, but I do think that natural rights develop out of natural law. One cannot be human without morals, ethics, and philosophy. It is literally impossible to have thoughts if one throws them out the window, because one has then done away with all frames of reference. The mind requires a value system of some sort, that is a fundamental aspect of the mind.
There is a lot of philosophy that is not assumption, that is logic-based and valid through reasoning alone, and then there are types of knowledge that are proven true or false through the experience testing the reasoning behind them. For some reason you seem to be ignoring all of this, and again you have created this enormous bonfire into which you are throwing everything you label philosophical.
Some humans may APPEAR to be inherently smarter and more capable to benefit their societies, but APPEARANCES are deceiving. The same way that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link, so is the society in regards to individuals.
I know that 'right' and 'wrong' don't always mean much, especially since what is wrong now may be considered right in the future, or has been considered right in the 'past' and vice versa. But so to do our definitions of intelligence and capabilities. The people that you want to promote above all the others may seem to be intelligent and capable in your perception of what those qualities are, but they may not be what is considered intelligence or capability further down the road. How do you know that there wouldn't be more peace and compassion if people focused more on accepting their weaknesses and their faults, the things that make them human. Natural rights are what allow us to accept ourselves, feel that we belong and that we matter, and this in turn allows us to make a fuller contribution to society. If you want to take away people's sense of natural rights, you're removing their ability and desire to contribute to this efficient society you have in mind.Jul 3 2013: I understand the possibility of "superweeds." Has anybody here heard of kudzu? It's a superweed that's not even genetically engineered.
I understand the fact that Monsanto patents its seeds and that cuts out poor farmers. We will have to fix that with the political process and make sure gene patents expire like drug patents or any other intellectual property.
We should continue genetically modified foods, for sure. The animus toward GMO food is mostly a luxury of fat white people. There are 7 billion people on this planet and each and every one of them would like to eat three meals a day. Every day. Food production is falling behind. It would be helpful if more people were vegetarians. It would be helpful if free birth control was available world wide. But those things require cultural shifts we may not have the time to wait for.
Jul 29 2013: Susan, there is no way to control the spread of GMO once it has entered the environment, meaning people that don't want to grow or eat GMO products don't even a say in the matter. GMO's are pollinated by other plants and pollinate other plants in return. They spread into the wild. They continue to evolve in new and unexpected ways.
The problem most people have with GMOs is that they were nowhere and now suddenly they are everywhere and yet we still know next to nothing about how this science really works in the real world. And there is no 'redo' button. It puts at huge risk if a certain type of crop becomes entirely one type of GMO and then suddenly that crop has no resistance to a superbug or superweed and there goes the food countless people needed to eat in order to survive.Jun 30 2013: You are assuming that we can stop this. I don't believe that you can.
Jun 30 2013: i did not mention anything about stopping. Should we continue or not?
Jul 1 2013: You are right that you didn't mention that IF we can't, isn't the issue moot?
The less you try, the more you'll agree.


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- sarah boardman-miller
- Milwaukee, WI
- United States
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How do you move beyond why, when someone takes their own life? How do we get beyond the shame?
I wrote an open letter to my dad, my dear friends, those that have also been left to move forward. http://sparkignitefire.me/2012/02/14/open-letter-to-those-that-chose-that-moment/
It has had 1000's of reads in just over 2 months. This is a conversation that is desperate to happen.
Closing Statement from sarah boardman-miller
The gratitude I feel is almost overwhelming.
Thank you for being raw, able to be loved and sharing your hearts.
Let's continue the conversation.
I adore you.
Joni Greever
Apr 23 2012: To say suicide is a 'choice' implies there was logical thought before the act. It is not a choice in most cases, but the only way out of a hopeless life full of both physical and mental pain and self-loathing. When you've got an endless loop going through your brain telling you how worthless you are, how nobody wants you, how you're nothing but crap; when you can't feel love or joy or find the tiniest pleasure in life; when the pain of living overcomes the fear of death, suicide happens. How can there be shame? Why do people care so much what others 'think' - especially when it was someone you love so very, very much that could not face another day?
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I made no secret that my son died of depression almost 5 years ago. I mentioned depression and asked everyone to be aware of the signs in his obituary. I got nothing but good feedback and thanks for bringing it into the open, where it needs to be.
We have no right whatsoever judging others. Period.
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Apr 24 2012: Thank you, Adriaan.
Preston (elder of two boys), 31, made no secret of his depression and wish to end his life. I tried to help him for years, but he got to the point he didn't want help - he wanted out. He had constant thoughts of worthlessness, that he was a burden, that we'd be better off without him. It caused him physical pain, esp. in his back and stomach. He had horrible nightmares. He self-medicated with alcohol and drugs. He was happy for a few minutes when he married and had a son, but he managed to sabotage that with his erratic behavior. He just didn't feel he belonged here. He was popular, had friends, no bullying, girls loved him. He was handsome and had a brilliant mind like so many of the suicides I know of.Apr 28 2012: I know they are, too, and please accept my condolences on your daughter.
Preston saw a psychiatrist briefly and got better for a bit, but couldn't afford his anti-depressants and we didn't know or we would have helped (even though I am anti-psychotropic drugs). By the time we knew, he didn't care anymore. When he had scrapes with the law, I wrote letters begging them to mandate treatment and was ignored...twice.
Maybe it wasn't a life gone wrong. Maybe he was clearing up his karmic debt.Apr 24 2012: Joni,
Thank you so much for sharing. I am so sorry for the loss of your son.
You are a courageous mom.
Suicide should not be swept under the rug. Everything that leads to that moment needs to be talked about. The helplessness one feels trying not to be a bystander to the spiraling depression, addiction/alcoholism, or in one friends case-a traumatic brain injury that lead him down that path.
No secrets.
Sending you love.Apr 24 2012: Joni, what a wonderful resource the Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors is. Please visit http://www.allianceofhope.org
Joni Greever
Apr 24 2012: Thank you! It's been almost 5 years since Preston left and I joined the AOH a year and a half ago to let new members know there is life after suicide.
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Apr 24 2012: Thank you for sharing your experiences and your thoughts.
May you find comfort, peace and healing and as you help others with this most sad experience.
Sending you love also,
Mary M.Apr 24 2012: Joni,
Thank you for your words. You are the first person who posted here who seems to truly understand suicide. I have personally struggled with depression and suicidal ideation for most of my life (I'm currently 41). It has little to do with circumstances and much to do with the physiology of the brain. Depression is like being stuck in a bog. Every little daily thing takes so much effort that it would be easier to just not do anything. But people are depending on you. You have to get up and make yourself do it, even if it hurts both physically and emotionally. It is this constant struggle, this knowledge that you are a drain on those you care for most, that leads to the feeling of worthlessness. Especially in a society dominated by the Puritan work ethic. In this society we are valued far more for our accomplishments than just for being, or at least that is what we are led to believe. However, if it were true, then suicide would be a relief to all involved. It isn't because our real value is in just being. We are loved for just being. And that is what keeps me alive during the dark times.
Apr 25 2012: Tina
You are amazing.
You are courageous.
You are here to teach us how to serve you better.
thank you for sharing your story.
You being here is such a gift.
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Apr 20 2012: oh Chris,
stunning, thank you for sharing.
Forgiveness is the key to so many things.
It takes courage and love.
love love love,
thank you,
Linda Taylor
Apr 19 2012: This is what I know.
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Why is the wrong question. It leads nowhere. It is just your brain searching for a rational explanation and there is none.
The appropriate question at a time like this, as a survivor, is 'what am I to learn from this?' That question, along with the greater understanding that sometimes it is not my lesson, is the only way the rational part of your brain can effectively deal with these issues.
That being said, the how is irrelevant. 'My son is dead' will be understood by everyone everywhere. Every mother and father on the planet can imagine that pain. Every sister, every brother. Grieve and let them grieve with you. I admire cultures where people rub ashes all over themselves in the grieving process. There is something symbolic in that. A symbol to the world. Because anyone that has experienced that level of grief understands that the rational mind is no longer in control. That unreal feeling of literally loosing your mind is part of the process.
Then, what's left is resolving the suicide within your own mind. It is only there where shame resides. What other people think or say will contribute to your own shame but that is within your control. No one can shame you without your permission.
What I can tell you is that a suicide is done because the pain is no longer bearable. There are no other viable options. As someone on the outside, of course we see options, but the person in pain does not. Understand, no other options.
The last thing is not to get caught up in the 'If only..' game. It is in our nature and it is part of 'what am I to learn from this.' But assigning blame does no one any good. It is far better to ask 'what am I to do now?' Movement is the only thing that gets a person through the next five minutes, five days, five months...
On the other side of grief, there will be beautiful memories. Cherished moments a precious time. A little grief will always be there but that is the lesson.
That is what I know
Apr 24 2012: Thank you for sharing and for being so insightful. You are right that when a person takes their life it is because they simply want the pain to end and that they have exhausted all other options. I've been there before and I'm sure I will be there again.
Linda Taylor
Apr 25 2012: Tina take good care of yourself. Make sure to surround yourself with people who understand and love you. Remember to catch it early because like all pain, it is easier to prevent than to get it under control once it starts. Thank you so much for your story and I truly understand.Apr 19 2012: I experienced the suicide of a close childhood friend just over a year ago. He was struggling with sobriety and ended up taking his own life as a way to escape the hardships of that battle.
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The emotional toll it took on me was egregious: I rarely show physical signs of emotion, but I cried often, slept rarely, and constantly asked myself, "why?" for an extended period of time. I still occasionally think about my friend, still asking myself "Is there anything I could have done? Was I there enough for him? Why didn't he come to us (his close friends) with these buried issues?"
The answer is that the only real way to deal with a loved one's choice to take their own life is time. I was upset when I was first told this, but it is true. There should be NO shame in discussing your loved one's passing. It was their choice, not yours. You should not be ashamed, or feel shame for them. If they were capable of telling us now, I know that the emotion of 'shame' could in no way compete with the complex gathering of emotions that forced them into such an abrupt conclusion.
Remember them for who they were, the good in them. Do not let their suicide taint the great impression that they left on the world to cause the grief of their loss. I remember my friend as a great man who was capable of making an entire room laugh, ease tensions, and lead when everyone else followed. His poor decision towards the end of his life will never make me feel shame towards or for him.
Apr 19 2012: Martin, I am so sorry.
Suicide is sudden and as I said in my earlier reply, sometimes truly unexpected.
The poet Ted Berrigan said "when someone dies they move from the outside of your body to the inside". I love this.
What society says about how he died is truly irrelevant. You lost someone dear. You won't see or hear them again. That is the pain for me.
Thank you so much for opening your heart to this.
Apr 20 2012: Sarah,
I appreciate it. That's a fantastic quote. Please let me know if there is anything more I can do to help you; with the kindest regards and heartfelt sympathy.
Apr 20 2012: So kind Martin, thank you.
My latest suicide, David, was in Jan. He was a dear friend of many years. A lover of the earth and an arborist. While there is still grief, I saw very quickly how much he taught me in life and with his death. I see him in every change in the weather, every leaf and season.Apr 23 2012: One suicide can leave hundreds in pain, isolation and guilt. We believe we should have seen it coming, we should have noticed something, should have done something more. And suicide can run in series locally or within a family as one lifts the veil for other comtemplating killing themselves. The press rarely covers suicide, except in high profile cases and then the perception is that it is someone else's instigation.
After my brother's suicide I was shocked at how many firends and acqaintances shared their own stories of family suicides.
Suicide is a choice made by some. Most often it's rooted in mental illness, sometimes it's a completely rational response to a life of intractable pain (mental or physical) or hopeless outlook, sometimes it's an irrational and fatal outburst to a moment of intense pain in an otherwise decent life. Often we'll never really know the thinking of those who killed themselves, even if they leave a message behind.
Isolation and lack of discussion are key triggers. Expecting the potential suicide to suddenly call a hotline isn't going to resolve most suicides. To reduce the numbers of future suicides we need to reduce the stigmatization and guilt, better heal the survivors and especially discuss openly the damage and confusion left behind.
We are each the solution, capable of touching an at risk life and helping to lead them back from the dark abyss they find themselves fixated on. Thank you Sarah for your gift of opening this discussion.
Apr 23 2012: We are the solution.
Please keep writing and sharing Peter. You have a story to tell.
Thank you, thank you.May 17 2012: Before this conversation closes:
Thank you Sarah for initiating this discussion. It has led me to a place (Alliance of Hope for Suicide Survivors) where my experience and words might help others, and I am grateful to you for that.
it takes courage to publicly discuss suicide and we need more of these discussions to better heal survivors of suicide. Healing survivors better will surely help prevent suicides.
be well and thank you,
Joni Greever
Apr 28 2012: Tina, please - if you can - get to a naturopath. They can find out why your brain isn't functioning right. It could be any number of things - allergies or sensitivities to all the junk in our air, food, water, what we wear, what we smear on our skin, the homes we live in; hypoglycemia; a systemic yeast infection; thyroid malfunction; a nutrient deficiency. There is all kinds of alternative health info on the internet and books like Nature's Prozac by Judith Sachs and Depression-Free, Naturally by Joan Mathews Larson (see her website).
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You are important to many people and the world, too. You shouldn't be suffering.Apr 22 2012: Addressing stigmatization is very important in suicide survivors. Briefly, mental illness is just that an illness. It can be just as fatal as any other disease. Suicide is often from mental illness but not always. The complicating factor is, something about suicide brings out the harshest of comments from others as opposed to the more common responses of comfort (or at the very least respectful silence.) Support groups or individual sessions can be helpful as each persons journey is unique. Thank you for helping to destigmatize this topic by bringing it out. When you try out Ms. Browns concepts you might want to try it with a single person first then expand as you gain confidence; remember she also talks about going through her pain with an objective person.
Apr 22 2012: Carla,
Yes, I agree. Most people know someone or have experienced suicide close to home. Thank you for bringing up that mental illness is a fatal disease. We see it all the time and do not even know it. When someone is an addict/alcoholic and deep in their disease, you see not only the effect, but the outward signs of that mental illness-bruising, jaundice, hormone imbalance, etc. Mental illness takes all forms, it is not just the person taking to themselves and hearing voices.
Ohh the places we could go on mental illness.
Great suggestions for people and once someone has reconciled the stigma, they can teach others to as well.
Thank you Carla!Apr 22 2012: I am certainly not an expert. However, I see birth and death as the first and last event in a life. Religions and cultures have assigned stigmas to conception out of wedlock and death at ones own hand among other things. There are those among us who have made a fortune treating the families of sucides and "bastard" children. They cannot heal the scars that must come from within. People are quick to establish blame even when there is none. If I am your friend I will remain your friend through any event good or bad. If I desert you I was never really your friend at all. Is why they do it really important. Closure takes many forms. Remember the good in their lives, hold your head high, and delight in the love in family and true friends. I wish you well. All the best. Bob.
Apr 22 2012: Beautiful, thank you for sharing.
I quite agree. All of those that have made that choice are still the same people we loved prior.
After my Father's death, his dear friends mourned the loss of their comrade...their bright and genuine (even though not warm and fuzzy by any stretch of the imagination) friend.
My latest one, David was in Jan. I had known him for over 20+ years. He is missed, though in my heart I know he is happy.
So that makes me happy.
Thank you for your insight.
The conversation is really wonderful.Apr 20 2012: Dealing with the loss of loved ones to suicide is one of the most confusing and difficult issues I have seen in 36 years of counseling. Your question, Sarah, is very helpful one. The key to recovery and integration, in my experience, is in moving beyond questions, fear, and shame.
It is helpful to understand that a person who commits suicide is blind. As pain and fear increase our field of vision, the frame through which view and interpret our world, becomes smaller as it focuses more and more on the pain. At some point , the pain fills the whole picture. One may be blinded by physical or emotional pain, by hopelessness, mental illness, substance abuse, or other issues, but the bottom line is that all one sees is pain, and the only end to the pain they see is death. At that moment, they were blind to the love of those around them and could not see or feel any sense of hope or help. (Helping a person move away from suicide, in my experience, is most easily done by helping them to recognize that they are blind, accept the pain as a natural part of the human condition to some degree and to see a slightly larger picture.)
The question "why do they do it" can be answered truthfully in all cases with a simple response "because they were blind." It is not much different than a blind person unknowingly stepping off a cliff. They simply did not fully understand their situation and the options available to them.
Every time questions regarding how or why it happened come into our minds, it is helpful to develop the habit of answering each one with a statement, "because they were blind at the moment."
Apr 21 2012: Bob, I just love this.
Blindness, how incredible.
The ever narrowing field of vision. Pain does that. People with chronic pain, must have it as well.
Thank you, how amazing.
With your permission, may I use this as a reason?
All my best
Apr 21 2012: Thank you Sarah, Yes please use it anytime it may be appropriate. I have found it extremely helpful in dealing with post and threatened suicide situations. It is a natural response to narrow our field of vision when there is a perceived threat (I use a story about a deer spotting me through our living room window and then intensifying her focus when I moved. My dog came trotting around the side of the house and got closer to a deer than he ever had in his life because she was focused on me. I have found that a build up of tension has the same effect. I have made a number of videos for a class I teach and have posted them to my website www.bobvanoosterhout.com You are welcome to view them and share them with anyone who may benefit from them. There are 4 videos on what I refer to as "balance techniques" as well as video on understanding emotion, dealing with loss and chronic pain. These videos explain how and why this approach works.
The key in managing chronic pain is not to resist it. When we resist or fight pain, we build tension which actually makes the pain worse while narrowing our focus on the pain. Narrowing one's focus on the pain increases tension further which in turn makes it worse and narrows the focus still more setting up an ever escalating cycle that leads to what I call emotional blindness.
Apr 21 2012: Wow bob! you are a major resource.i think many of us will spend a great deal of time reading through your site,awesome!
Ayan Ghoshal
Apr 20 2012: Sarah - there is NO SHAME - pls get it in your mind . People who do such things - do not do it purposely . A particular mental condition provokes a person to go for a suicide - I can say this confidently as I have studied things in this regard . And unless and until u reach that stage [ which I'll never want u to reach ...] - you will never understand why somone did this ! What has happened had to happen - it is D E S T I N Y , my friend . But life moves on and so will you .
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Do not sit with it - move on , don't feel ashamed but think of the things u can do to make the unfortunate people happy. Give your best and you shall succeed . [ Always keep this in mind that feeling bad will neither change the past nor the present and future ]
What are the best things that you do ?
Apr 20 2012: Ayan,
Thank you.
I personally do not feel shame surrounding suicide. My fathers parents until their deaths felt deep shame. That somehow his choice as an adult (almost 50) reflected on them. When I think about shame and suicide, it is selfish. There is much we can learn from those that leave us. The "why" comes in and out.
I see death, whether it be from cancer, an accident or your own hand as a window to learn and then teach others how to learn.
Again, thank you for your kind and insightful words.
Apr 20 2012: Hi Sarah, you know, I often sit with my daughter so she can read along with me all these deep topics of conversations. I wanted her to read through yours.
She asked me, mom how is shame connected to suicide? And I told her, well, it's the living that feel the shame, embarrassment at having to explain the way the family member died, I failed to tell her also, what you brought out in this comment............that we can sometimes feel other's actions reflects on us. I will certainly tell her this also.
Thank you Sarah, for this timely conversation........having elderly parents, and not having undergone the loss of anyone in the family for the last 22 years, my children have never dealt with such an experience, perhaps this conversation will help me, help them when the time comes.
Thank you, thank you!!!
Apr 20 2012: My love to you and your daughter.
My girls 4 and 5, we talk about "papa Tom". Children are so incredible, so compassionate and I believe born empathics.
Thank you for sharing this with your daughter.
Ken brown
Apr 19 2012: It's a horrible thing to say but it happens to every one of us at some stage in our lives when a loved one does this.When you think you don't know why they would do this,what could possibly drive them to leave you and their family and friends?Time will reveal this as time moves on but what once was is gone and the eyes of a child is the beckoning of something new.
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Apr 19 2012: Yes, it does.
Just as someone dies of cancer or in a car accident, there is a choice we as the living need to make. Do I make my life about grief or do I accept and bring awareness and love on the ones they left behind.
With suicide, I feel there is another level of acceptance that has to happen. People feel like it is okay to die of cancer but not to take your own life. Regardless of where one stands on suicide being a choice, it is burdened with shame. When someone asks you, "how did they die?" does shame rear it's head or do you tell the truth?
Ken brown
Apr 19 2012: Amongst my people we raise our young around death in a peculiar way that some find strange,for 5 days if not more depending on the family we take them to our tribes meeting place and keep them there so everyone can come and spend time with them,over those 5 days we live with them,the young from babies to old,we never leave them alone though we don't eat around our dead we never "let them go cold" as the saying goes amongst my people.
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So for us we know it and understand death in all it's forms,how that person arrived at that point means nothing to us, it is the final sending that is all that matters.
The world doesn't need to know as linda stated in her post because some react strange or go cold,it's not your problem it's theirs if you choose to tell them and it will save you alot of questions and ceremony that can make you feel that you are obliged to follow but i can only answer from my personal experiences and the culture/s that i was raised in.I used to say to people that were not of my people that "He went sideways" or "He topped himself" but that was anger at my brother speaking, now i just say it "He killed himself" as it was a long time ago.Time is the sea and the sunset is where we all sail to.
Apr 19 2012: I am familiar with this and we also never let the fire die for the days of song. Among my people we call this 'sitting fire.' As in "I am going to sit fire tonight for..." But part of my heritage comes from a tropical country. And because of the heat, my people there need to limit this to 3 days. Interesting. I like the 5 days better.Apr 19 2012: @Linda and Ken
How very interesting. I have a close friend whose dad died at 1 in the morning from a stroke. He lived in the caribbean. By the time she got there, he was already buried. How sad that was to see, she got no closure.
I remember watching a PBS special on death. In it the speakers shared how you can make your own coffin, and even have the funeral service in your home in several states.
And they showed how some coffins are made so that the friends and relatives can write notes on it...........I really liked this idea.........because it helps with closure. I am not afraid to talk about death and dying. I think, like you say Ken, that it is important to realize it is a part of life.
I find going to a funeral home to hear a talk about the deceased from someone who did not know him personally a bit awful.
and Ken.........what a beautiful quote: "Time is the sea, and the sunset is where we all sail to". I'm sorry for your loss Ken, I'm sorry.Apr 19 2012: @ Mary. Yes that's how it is down there. But the people have learned that tradition is important for health and so the tradition is important.
Apr 19 2012: @ Linda.....I just read your comment........again.........yesterday I did not understand it. Today I do.
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The tradition is important for their emotional health........which is connected to physical health. Yes I see.
Thank youApr 19 2012: @Ken , really beautiful. thank you for sharingApr 23 2012: I am overwhelmed by the incredible comments, responses, and personal emails. People......you are courageous. Continue the conversation, it saves lives.
Apr 23 2012: Well Sarah, I think I can speak for the others, THANK YOU for your courage in bringing this topic out.
Not everyone can be as candid as you have been.
So, thank you dear Sarah. Many of us are learning quite a bit by reading the comments being made.
Apr 23 2012: It would not be possible without you.
A conversation is always two sided (even if it is with ourselves). Progress is made every time someone has the courage to write or speak.
This is a wonderful article that was given to me by someone that gets it all.
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Apr 22 2012: Adriaan,
I am so very sorry for the loss of your daughter. One cannot know that pain of burying a child.
Your view into the following of Swedenborg is very enlightening. Thank you for sharing.
You and your family are in my thoughts.Apr 20 2012: A new post http://sparkignitefire.me/2012/04/20/a-mighty-wind______april-20-2012/
Thank you to all that are participating in this incredibly rich and wonderful conversation.
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Apr 22 2012: Yes, I had a friend growing up that hung himself. We were twelve. It was not spoken about only as an accident. The children that take their own lives is the part of it that break my heart to the core. It is a quick solution for something they do not understand is permanent.
All the bullying and suicides in children has got to stop.
Thank you for your enlightening threads.Apr 19 2012: All of us humans need to feel loved. We need purpose in our life. All too often we see people withdraw into a shell and we leave them there. Before the suicide there are always signs. Sometimes the victim comes out and says they want to end their life....."sometimes I wish I were dead"....
I think that it would be terrible to go through the suicidal death of a close friend or family member. For me personally I would be asking myself if there was not something I could do about it.
I liked the way Linda said, 'what am I to learn from this?'
We need to be aware that human beings are fragile. If you see someone who appears sad put your hand on their shoulder, ask them how they are, smile at that lady who appears to be withdrawn at church, call up an old friend, talk to your neighbor, find out why your cousin has withdrawn from the family......action...............we have to show personal interest in others.
Because, "when all is said and done, there will usually be more said than done"
Your question and the answers thus far are excellent. I will continue to follow this thread, it is very interesting...
Be Well Sarah...your daughters look adorable.
Apr 19 2012: Thank you, the girls are a lot of fun.
While I agree that sometimes, some are able to express themselves with outwardly sadness or depression. Others that are on this path often times do not tell anyone or express that they "want out" or are in too much pain and death is on the agenda.
It almost seems to come out of nowhere. My father was a brilliant man and I knew from a very young age that he would die young. I honestly did not know what that meant or when it would happen. I was 25 when he left this world. His brilliance was not enough. His pain was too great.
There is not a day that I wonder if I could have made a difference in his decision. I believe it was made a long time ago.
Such a rich conversation,
thank you for sharing.Apr 19 2012: Can u please clarify - exactly what you want to say .


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|Grunberg Haus Applesauce Pancakes
We're always very happy to share our recipes here at the Grunberg Haus. In fact, some of our recipes were handed down by the previous owners 11 years ago when we bought the inn, others we brought with us, and still others we've come across while searching for new ideas to offer our guests. So we don't jealously guard our recipes and instead freely pass them along for others to enjoy.
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The Vermont Department of Tourism is giving away $100 in a weekly drawing that you can enter online. It only takes a minute to answer about 12 survey questions and you're entered to win a $100 gas card. Nowhere else will pay you anything let alone a hundred dollars a minute!
[But wait, there's more! We'll even throw in beautiful scenery like the one above!]
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There is a fun, new YouTube video about Dog Mountain's 2010 fall festival in Saint Johnsbury VT. Stephan Huneck, artist and founder of Dog Mountain and its famous Dog chapel, passed away earlier this year so all the events from now on are in part memorials to his life and work.
Coincidentally, Frog Hollow gallery in Burlington is currently staging a Stephan Huneck exhibit through the end of this month. It features Huneck's prints, sculptures and books including a posthumously printed book entitles "Even Bad Dogs Go To Heaven" and even a replica of Dog Chapel.
Frog Hollow is the Vermont State Craft Center and features works from 250 Vermont artisans. It's located at 85 Church Street in Burlington. Their summer hours are still listed on the website but it should be open most days during winter. You can call (802) 863-6458 for details.
Both Dog Mountain and Frog Hollow also have Facebook pages.
All dog lovers should plan a visit to Dog Mountain located just outside Saint Johnsbury Vermont. It's open seven days a week year around and has festivals each year. For your GPS, plug in the address: 143 Parks Road, Saint Johnsbury, VT, 05819
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Shelburne Vineyard's Autumn Wine and Food Festival will be held tomorrow, Saturday, November 13 from 11:00 am to 5:00 pm.
There will be free wine tastings, live jazz performances, and local food products from VT Smoke and Cure, Cavendish Game Birds, Olivias Croutons, VT Creamery, Shelburne Farms, Fat Toad Farms, Red Hen Bakery, Bread & Butter Farm, Daily Chocolate and Shelburne Kitchen.
Wine tasting includes Shelburne Vineyard, Eden Ice Cider, Artesano Mead and East Shore Vineyards.
This event is a benefit for the Chittenden Emergency Food Shelf. Visitors are encouraged to bring a non-perishable food donation and enter a raffle to win food and wine prizes.
Shelburne Vineyards is located south of Burlington VT on Shelburne Road between Shelburne Museum and the VT Teddy Bear factory.
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|Hardwick VT Featured in Yankee Magazine
Once the site of a thriving granite mine, Hardwick VT became a pleasant but hardscrabble looking town after the mine closed. Then it got hit by a major fire five years ago which destroyed several important old buildings in the middle of town. But it has made an admirable comeback in recent years. Most of that is due to the local food movement. Several articles have appeared with headlines along the lines of : "The Town That Food Saved."
The current issue of Yankee Magazine now describes Hardwick as "The Center for an Agricultural Economy." It was written by Bill McKibben, a Vermont resident famous for his work on global warming. Mr. McKibben writes about some of the key people involved with the local food movement including the local investor funded restaurant, Claire's, and organic seed producer, High Mowing Seeds. It's an interesting read and provides insight into many of the related types of activities going on in Vermont today.
Jeff Connor Grunberg Haus, located about half an hour from Hardwick
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Aaron Solomon describes himself as "a nerd, born and bred" — a characteristic that has served the 18-year-old Eleanor Roosevelt High School student well, he said, as he now has a shot at becoming $75,000 richer.
Solomon and classmate Neelanjan "Neel" Lakshman, 18, were the first and second grand prize winners, respectively, in the Prince George's Area Science Fair last month.
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The teens' science fair projects came from their research practicum — a requirement of seniors in Roosevelt's Science and Technology program.
Solomon interned at the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Beltsville Agricultural Research Center, where he performed experiments looking at the nitrogen release of polymer-coated fertilizers — those coated with a combination of chemicals linked in molecular chains.
Solomon said most fertilizers used today release large amounts of nitrogen compounds into the atmosphere that often are cited as contributing to global warming. But his experiment demonstrated that polymer-coated fertilizers release less nitrogen into the atmosphere and trap more in the soil for plants to use.
"He operated in the lab as a grad student, basically, and a good grad student at that, in terms of his intelligence, his curiosity, his independence, his ability to work with other people," said Michel Cavigelli, research soil scientist at the Beltsville research center, who added that Solomon worked on his project with minimal assistance.
Solomon said he will attend the University of Maryland, College Park, this fall on a full scholarship. He plans to major in cell biology and molecular genetics.
Lakshman's experiment involved comparing mice with a special mutation that mimics protein inhibitors that occur in cancer treatments and those of normal mice with a healthy immune system.
"I chose my subject because I have an interest in immunology, and I felt I didn't learn enough in high school about that. Immunology is an important aspect of the medical field," said Lakshman, who will attend Washington University in St. Louis in the fall, majoring in biomedical engineering and pre-medicine.
The school system pays for travel and accommodations for the winning students, said Jennifer Massagli, ERHS science teacher and student chaperone for the science fair.
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