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Interview: Francisco Padron, Cubatabaco
Marvin R. Shanken
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His face was difficult to see through the haze of fresh Cohiba smoke, but you couldn't help noticing his slightly satisfied smile as he announced the introduction of five new sizes in the Cohiba range. Not only had he been at the cutting edge of developing the new cigars, Padron had been the impetus behind establishing Cohiba as the world's most prestigious cigar brand.
Padron began in 1985 as director of Cuba's cigar export sales organization, Cubatabaco, after preparing an extensive study on the tobacco industry for the foreign trade minister. "There were so many things to change," he said, looking back eight years. "There was such great potential. We just needed to sell more."
Increasing sales was not the only strategy Padron used. He set out on a well-focused plan to take control of his worldwide distribution through establishing partnerships with his agents in key markets. Having now achieved his goal, Padron is looking toward the future with great anticipation.
CIGAR AFICIONADO Editor and Publisher Marvin R. Shanken met with Padron in November 1992, in Havana, to discuss the Cuban cigar industry and Padron's plans for the future.
CIGAR AFICIONADO: Connoisseurs the world over appreciate Cuban cigars. During the past several years, you've had serious business difficulties with Davidoff which have resulted in the end of your relations with the Swiss company and the discontinuation of Davidoff cigar production in Cuba. Is there confusion in the international marketplace caused by the Davidoff situation?
Francisco Padron: None at all. Let me tell you something. We made an agreement with Davidoff. We think that it [canceling production] is a very good agreement. We signed the agreement, and we must not talk about it.
CA: What is the future strategy for Cuban cigars?
Padron: We want to have Habano cigar, not a brand name. It doesn't matter if it is Bolivar, Montecristo or even Cohiba. For the last four years, we have been telling the connoisseur how to recognize a Havana. When we launched the smoke ad we just put Havana, now Habanos. We think the most important thing is the umbrella that can cover all the brand names. We can create a brand name whenever we want.
CA: I think that a connoisseur understands that Cuba is a statement of origin and quality but he typically buys brands. Once he buys a brand, then he buys sizes in a brand. He is very brand loyal. He smokes Cohiba. He knows that Cohiba has a certain taste and style and so forth. You speak of this marketing of Habanos, but isn't there a strategy to promote individual brands?
Padron: We have two strategies. One is the institutional campaign I just described, and the second one is the brand campaign.
CA: Which do you feel is more important?
Padron: We at Cubatabaco are in charge of both of them. We deal with the institutional, and we let our enterprises [agents] around the world, in agreement with us, work on brand campaigns. For example, what does Fonseca mean to you?
CA: It is well known as a highly respected Port wine.
Padron: Yes. But in Barcelona it is a wonderful brand name for Cuban cigars. We sell almost three million cigars. So that is why we let our agent analyze the best way to promote the Fonseca brand in Spain.
CA: You approve the brand advertising, and the local agent decides on which brands should be advertised depending on the importance of the brand in that marketplace?
Padron: Yes. We create the image. We are now creating the image for various brand names; they must use that image and the concept of being under the Habanos umbrella.
CA: Cuba has approximately 30 brand names of which about 20 are popular. Do you think the future should favor fewer or more brands?
Padron: Fewer. We are not going to kill any of the brands. We are going to let the market select the best ones. We are going to let the market kill them.
CA: At a meeting recently with your agents from around the world, you made it very clear that volume is nothing and that quality is everything. But having said that, today you export approximately 60 million cigars. You know if you produced 100 million cigars the market would absorb them. The demand greatly exceeds supply. And knowing that cigars are agricultural and that there is only so much land, only so many workers and only so much money for inventory and aging and that the economy in Cuba is in such great difficulty right now, is there any significant way that you can increase cigar production without adversely affecting quality so that more people can enjoy Cuban cigars?
Padron: Of course. This is our hope. We want to increase our production without losing quality.
CA: What kind of growth? If you are at 60 million cigars exported today, do you have some sort of plan? A five-year plan? Where do you see exports going?
Padron: Without the U.S. market, we think that we can easily sell between 80 or 90 million--maybe even 100 million cigars. We would like to be between 90 and 100 million.
CA: Is it a production question? A labor question? A capital investment question? The government is going to have to agree to take money away from some other industry and give it to you.
Padron: Our government already agreed to increase the tobacco leaf production, and there is a direct instruction from Fidel that the first priority is quality.
CA: Are there certain brands that you consider priority brands in terms of the future for your portfolio?
Padron: We are focusing on this in a different way. We already have a parameter for this. At the top section, there are Cohiba and Montecristo. In the middle, there are Partagas, Romeo y Julieta, Hoyo de Monterrey and the others. At the lower level, we have Los Statos Deluxe, Quintero and all those [machine-made] brands.
CA: Cohiba is described in tobacco terms as "the selection of the selection" and is the leading marque in your portfolio. We now see the Cohiba family growing from six to eleven sizes. What was the reason for the increase in the number of Cohiba sizes?
Padron: I would rather not answer this question. (Editor's Note: It was clear from talking to members of the trade while in Cuba that the new Cohiba sizes were introduced to replace the lost production of the chateau series produced earlier under the Davidoff brand name.)
CA: How big is Cohiba today?
Padron: It depends on the crop. It had been about 3.4 million cigars. It will be more in 1993. That was another reason for the launch of the new line. Production was just too small.
CA: Do you see Cohiba having additional sizes as time goes on?
Padron: No, I don't think so.
CA: There obviously is a significant demand for Cuban cigars in the United States. No doubt you hope that one day the embargo is lifted. But doesn't that create problems between your agents and tobacconists from England, Switzerland, Mexico and Canada in that a lot of them compete for the same customer in America? When America opens up, won't many of these businesses lose their sales when Americans won't need to shop in foreign markets to buy Cuban cigars?
Padron: They [the agents] don't have a problem with it. They don't even mention it.
CA: Many American cigar smokers don't realize that there are two brands of Partagas, a Partagas in America from the Dominican Republic and a Partagas sold around the world from Cuba. Assuming that tomorrow the embargo is lifted, how would it work? What would happen?
Padron: We are not going to have two brands over there. Not even in Europe. We decided to break our deal with Davidoff because of that. So what would happen is that we would launch new things for the North American market, new brands. Or we could make an arrangement with the brand owners over there.
CA: General Cigar, as an example, owns the brand names Partagas, Ramon Allones and Cohiba for the U.S. market, and it has tremendous distribution in the United States. I would imagine that they would love to sit down with you and work it out to represent those brands of Cuban cigars in America. Is this possible or is it a problem? You are shaking your head no.
Padron: The first condition is that they must pass the brand name to us. This is the first condition. Immediately. If not, forget about it. Second condition, they must be our partner. The same way that we have it in the rest of the world. There is no other way to make a deal with us. If not, forget about it.
CA: But having said that, would you be willing to create a new brand for the American market that General Cigar could have if you worked out a partnership agreement?
Padron: We would have to analyze the relationship of the commercial end of the American market, but we are prohibited from doing this today.
CA: I understand what you are saying and it seems consistent in terms of your practices around the world. The only thing that I question is that America is such a big market and companies like General Cigar, Consolidated Cigar and Villazon already have the distribution, salesmen, accounts...it would be easy for you and for them to get together for distribution. If you had to start a new company and create distribution and a sales force, it would be very expensive to duplicate what they already have. That is the only reason I mentioned this.
Padron: Marvin, I don't believe you. I just have to go to the United States and sit down in a hotel room and say that I am here and who wants to buy these brands? You? Okay. Here are the conditions.
CA: Have you ever smoked cigars from a different country...the Dominican Republic, Honduras? When people ask you what is the difference between a good Cuban cigar and a good Dominican, how do you respond?
Padron: Whenever I smoke a cigar, for instance a Macanudo....I tried a Macanudo earlier today, I was not thinking of a Cuban cigar when I smoked it. I was thinking of a different thing. It is like if you are going to drink a Bordeaux, and then a wine from a different place. If you are looking to find the same thing in the Macanudo as a Cuban cigar you are not going to find it. It's a different thing. Don't think about Cuban cigars. Macanudo has a certain blend because they know how to make a cigar. It is not a Cuban cigar but it is very good for what it is. They know how to make cigars. Some cigars are not well-blended. They are just leaves and taste like straw.
CA: Cuban cigars are a great topic of conversation in America because they are forbidden fruit. People dream about them. They read about them. Some people like to say that ten years ago Cuban quality went down. In your opinion, has there been a change in quality in the last ten years?
Padron: Let me tell you something. Maybe people were right. There was a reason. When we produce cigars, we use three years of different crops in our blend. So, we lost two crops in a row in 1980 and 1981. That was a very strong blow to our production. So, when that happens, you have to change the blend, and you cannot use what you normally use. You reduce your range of combinations of different tobaccos. You must realize that. And for another two or three years more you are not doing things like you were. For a few years in the early '80s, the cigars were not the same but they were still good cigars. That was a problem. In order to maintain our taste or flavor in cigars, we have to blend different harvests.
CA: I remember in the early and mid-1980s when I would buy a box of Cuban cigars in Europe, upon inspection I would remove maybe five, six, seven cigars because they were clearly in bad condition. Now I rarely experience a bad box.
Padron: Let me tell you something. We committed an error at that point. We were too flexible with our quality control.
CA: This was in the early '80s?
Padron: Yes. We did it in order to maintain our sales. I was not in the tobacco business then. It was not a good decision. Right now we have a very, very clear instruction from Fidel. Nobody can do something like that. That is finished.
CA: The other thing that people are saying today is that Cuba cannot maintain its quality because it has no fertilizer, no fumigation. You don't have the supplies you need to produce the quantity you need at the quality level you want. Is this true?
Padron: No. No. We reduced our production because of this. We are not trying to increase production at any cost.
CA: Today, are you able to get the necessary fertilizers and other chemicals you need?
Padron: Today, we have top priority in Cuba. We are getting it.
CA: --to produce the 60 to 70 million export quality cigars?
Padron: We are not getting all that we need, but there is going to be a very good crop if the weather is okay.
CA: So what is the limiting condition to produce more quality cigars? The weather, finances, fertilizers, what?
Padron: In normal conditions, it is a question of climate. But right now, it is a question of finances.
CA: What do you need the money for? The agricultural aspect? Inventory? Labor?
Padron: No, agriculture.
CA: When did you peak? What was the maximum you had for export? How large did your cigar shipments get at their peak?
Padron: We used to produce 120 million cigars for export.
CA: How long ago was that?
Padron: A couple of years ago.
CA: Aficionados say if you want to buy the best quality Cuban cigars, like Punch Punch, Hoyo Double Coronas, Montecristo No. 2, Cohiba Robusto and Esplendido, that you must go to England or Switzerland to buy them. Are there certain markets that get the best quality and the other markets that get the second quality?
Padron: No. No. That is not true. The only difference in the past was the former socialist countries. We were delivering to them machine-made cigars by the millions.
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Hamdan is a Big Deal Regardless of What Congress Does
Marty Lederman
A short response to my co-blogger Mark Graber:
This post brought to mind a fairly recent article by Balkin and Levinson that makes the point of the importance of knowing the facts of a case. They used as an example the decision in the Steel Mills case, which failed to disclose many of the critical facts; that one had to go to the dissent to get an understanding of the facts. I hope that in Hamdan the Court's decision provides the facts in sufficient detail; otherwise, supporters of George W will add their own "facts" to challenge it. (By the way, I think that B & L's article - I don't have the cite or recall the title - should be must reading for all beginning law students.)
Hamdan won't mean anything if Stevens and/or Ginsburg can't hang on for another two years. If either one of them goes, Hamdan will be reversed at the earliest opportunity.
Everyone on this site knows that if Stevens got hit by a bus last february or if another member of th e liberals had unexpectedly died or resigned, this case would have come out the other way. It was a blatantly political decision whose outcome was clear the moement the Rasul case came down.
To act like this is some overwhelming win is silly. This was a 5-4 case whose outcome could have been predicted months ago.
If Bush gets another vacancy to fill, Hamdan will either be be rightly overruled, or so severely distinguished and limited that it loses any meaningful authority.
The liberals hopes rest on an 86 yr old cancer surivor and a 73 yr old cancer survivor. Not exactly promising
The liberals hopes rest on an 86 yr old cancer surivor and a 73 yr old cancer survivor. Not exactly promising
For 'liberals', read 'anyone with an interest in the future of the Republic in anything like the form we have come to know'.....
Agreed, the really unnerving thing about Hamdan is not Hamdan itself (obviously!) but the fact that is was so narrowly decided. 5 to 4 is too close for comfort. One more Alito and the country is in real trouble.
As to Sarah's comments, it should be noted that the "meat" of the ruling was a firm reaffirmation of the Youngstown principle respecting congressional power and against the executive overriding clear congressional will in areas Congress clearly has authority over.
This core principle was not decided "5-4." The dissenters as a whole disputed the majority's reading of a habeas stripping law and the rules of military justice at stake. That is, the major dispute for two or three justices was statutory construction.
Aside from the fact a Reagan appointee joined in -- if you can't trust those, who can you trust? -- retirements (Scalia is 70 btw and doesn't always seem that happy with his job) just might have your desired effect.
Again, the tone and firmness of the ruling was key. Likewise, repeated accounts about how "surprised" public officials are about the ruling belie your comments. The vote was not too surprising, but the breadth and tone was less obvious months ago.
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I once heard of this structure on the Discovery Science channel and have since forgotten the name. The details I remember about it were that it is the central time-keeping device for the brain located in the geographic center of the human brain. The DSC only mentioned it in passing to describe a person with an abnormality in this structure. Can someone post some reliable research links and a short description of it? I don't trust google much and am not good at using it, so thanks!
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Most of the time our outdoor activities don't take us more than a mile or so in any given direction from a road or know trail. However, many of us occasionally take the path less traveled (actually my preferred path) and we venture into wilderness areas, large tracts of forest, or great acres of open prairie. Anyone who has spent much time in the great outdoors will tell you that Murphy and his Pandora's box of misfortunes is likely on your trail and laying in wait for you. To keep Mr. Murphy and his furies at bay, I keep this pocket sized survival kit on my person whenever I'm in the woods. It contains essential tools and materials to help you survive an unexpected outdoor experience. Good planning, some common sense, and good equipment will normally keep you out of trouble. However, even the best laid plans often go astray and this kit may help turn an unexpected situation into an amusing camp story and not a tragedy.
Step 1: The Components
A survival kit should be developed to help you survive a specific scenario or a range of situations. In example, a cold weather kit would have many of the same components of a hot weather kit but each would have different items specific to the climate, season of the year, or geographic area that you plan to be in. A kit that has everything you might need for any given occurrence would be so large and heavy as to make impractical to carry. A great comprehensive kit left back at camp because it is too heavy to carry won't do you any good when you're lost in the woods or get drenched by a sudden down pour. My kit is made up of groups of components designed for basic needs. It is light weight (about 10 oz) and is designed to be carried on your person. It should be supplemented with additional supplies and equipment as needed based on the activity you participate in. This is a simple bare essentials kit with with some redundant features. In general, the kit is made up of 6 groups of components:
1. The container.
2. The signaling group.
3. The fire making group.
4. The sharps or cutting group.
5. The food gathering and repairs group.
6. The medical group.
I plan on making this because it is nice and compact for quick day hikes. Good explanations
- On the medica group: a small cyanoacrylate vassel like "Crazy glue" for sealing minor cuts and some antihistaminic ointment for skin allergic reactions.
- Also I will include a garden size trash bag. It does not add too much weight and it doesn't requires too much space. It can be used as a poncho or as a sleeping bag or mat.
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Mosquito wipes. Gnats in the eyes and skeeter bites all over make an annoying situation miserable, harder to think.
Your kit is heavier on various cordages, I just have about 50' of braided line wound around a small piece of cardboard (which doubles as tinder and notepaper.)
tried the wire saws, they're more trouble than worth IMO. A good medium knife can do wonders - deeply score branches and break 'em off. If the branch is already off and you want to cut off a chunk then roll the knife to act like a tubing cutter. It's amazing how thick a branch you can cut.
I learned a lot of knife tricks from Don Paul's "Everybody's Knife Bible"
I like the carry pouch, I may trade my hard case for one to try it out, though I do like having everything protected from external crushing and internal abrasion on other items. On second thought I'll keep the hard case. Different strokes... :-)
But enough about me, now onto your kit. :D
These are my comments and suggestions for your kit, so please do not be offended. It is merely constructive criticism:
A) Signaling is well covered - this is probably the most important aspect of the kit
B) Fire is also well covered - another important aspect
C) Water Collection is one of the most important elements in any survival kit, next to first aid, signaling, shelter, and fire...and yours needs improvement - you have the tin foil, but say you don't get a fire going...then you're screwed. Add some chlorine dioxide tablets, and then you can either add a ziplock bag, or use your waterproof container for purification/storage in a pinch.
D) Food Collection is not really a priority - most people with a properly functioning brain are found within 72 hours of being lost, and that would be the worst case scenario. If you live in the United States, "extended survival" situations are about as frequent as plane crashes. Ditch the fishing kit and snare wire.
E) First Aid is also important, since, if you are sick or injured, you want to live long enough to get rescued - you have the thread and needles for makeshift stitches, and duct tape as a covering. But, I would replace the regular band-aids with a gauze pad and steri-strips. Also, add a packet of antibiotic ointment (infections = bad), Imodium (this is not good for you, but is better than dehydration), and Benadryl (in case you discover a new allergy in the wild).
F) Repair is well covered - your clothing is your primary shelter
G) Shelter definitely needs to be addressed. Cordage alone is great, but building a rudimentary debris/brush shelter from raw materials is both difficult and time/energy consuming. Save yourself the trouble and get an orange garbage bag, OR better yet, a Mylar space blanket, and stuff it in your kit. There should be room once you remove the food collection items. String it between two trees and nail it to the ground, and you have yourself both a quick shelter and a signaling device. *Remember, you want to be found, so living in a tree house is not going to help your cause*
H) Tools - It maybe a personal preference, but I have always preferred lockbacks to liner/frame locks; they are more durable. The small Kabar Dozier is a great high value knife. Get the one with the orange handle, so you don't lose it at night. Also, get a wire saw: it's not necessary, but it will allow you to collect larger pieces of wood, so you are not forced to burn twigs all night.
I disagree with your dismissal of the fishing gear and snare wire, as well as with your assessment of having little need for certain things simply because you are in the 48 states. Many areas of our Rocky Mountain states are still wilderness, sometimes circumstances can leave one stranded and not expecting rescue in the STATISTICAL average of 3 days. Survival is simply that, staying alive, not statistics.MOST people are found in 72 hours, what if you are not one of those "most" people? Knowing that you made it the 3 days and were NOT rescued will be of little comfort to your hungry belly.I would recommend ditching the float(s), plenty of little pieces of wood around for that. The addition of a mylar blanket is a must, but don't plan on it as a primary shelter in colder weather. All the talk about how much body heat it reflects is great, but it is still only a few mils thick. Mylar is tough, but once it is punctured or torn it rips badly. A structure of limbs or branches with a mylar sheet sandwiched in will offer much better protection. Plastic trash bags are good, but especially bulky for a "pocket" kit. Definitely correct on the need for water disinfecting tabs and plastic bag for water. Most persons are not going to be able to do the Rambo thing and stitch themselves up. Besides, they will most likely only stitch infection into their wounds, Thin strips of tape, holding the wound together would be better, unless one is actually trained on the right way to stitch it, AND has STERILE materials, not just thread, needle and alcohol. I am fully trained and legally qualified to do such things and would not attempt it without the right stuff. I have seen too many infected wounds and even a few amputations caused by the "Rambo Repair". Also, building a basic shelter from available materials is not difficult, IF you have the training and experience.If you do not, go out and learn, and PRACTICE !! Before you need it.
1) I agree, extended survival situations are, in fact, very possible, but not likely. Now, I only live in Illinois, so correct me if I'm wrong, but the only extended survival situations that I have ever heard of, within the contiguous United States, concerned avalanche victims who were snowed into caves and such – so obviously, fishing and hunting gear would be irrelevant in a circumstance like that. It would be much more realistic to just carry some non-perishable food.
2) Now, before I go on, keep in mind: this is only a pocket kit. You can't possibly prepare for every possible situation in a pocket kit, nor can you expect it to last for more than three days, that's what your main gear is for. Because, if you are going on a trip into the deep wilderness, a pocket kit should only be a supplement to your main gear, to act as a temporary security in case you are separated from it. A pocket kit should only encompass the supplies to address problems that you WILL encounter if you are separated from your gear, not hypothetical problems that you MIGHT eventually encounter. If you get lost, you WILL need navigation, SIGNALING, fire, shelter, and water. You MIGHT need first aid and food. (Obviously though, you would include first aid, just because it is an imminent danger.)
3) Yes, people with the adequate amount of training can easily build a fire and a bush shelter. However, the type of person who gets lost easily is not the type of person who has survival training, or even common sense for that matter. So without a quick shelter, they are screwed. Besides, even if they do have the training, why bother? You know in advance that you will eventually need a shelter if you are separated from your gear, so why not prepare for it? A simple garbage bag will quickly get you out of the rain, and a space blanket will keep you off the ground and relatively warm. And if it rips, patch it with duct tape – it's only temporary.
4) No, water purification tabs aren't necessary at all…for people like you or me. But once again, the type of person that I described earlier can't rely on their (lack of) fire-building skills to disinfect their water of pathogens, assuming, of course, that they have enough common sense to not drink the filthy water in the first place. Besides, it's a waste of time: in the 30 minutes to an hour that it takes to collect deadwood, build a fire, set up a rig to heat the water with (assuming you already have a container), and bring the water to a full boil, you could've been that much closer to civilization.
5) Crude stitches are not at all sanitary, but an infection will take days to kill you, while blood loss will take you in minutes. Now I'll be honest, I don't have any formal medical training, but I assume that you'd be more likely to lose your limb from lack of circulation by leaving the tourniquet on for too long, if that is what you meant. Because, I can tell you from many personal experiences that tape alone rarely stops the bleeding, because the adhesive tends not to stick to the slippery surface of the bloody skin. Cauterization would probably be best, assuming that you already had a fire going. But once again, my medical knowledge is very limited.
Fire is and always has been one of the first priorities of survival, both for heat, cooking or boiling water, and even more significantly, for a signal. In military survival courses I have taken AND taught, pilots are taught NOT to start fires if the are in hostile areas, because it leads the enemy right to them. In the same way, a lost person will greatly increase the likelihood of being found by lighting a fire. SMOKE BY DAY, FIRELIGHT AT NIGHT.
No, one cannot prepare for every possibility, but a pocket kit for the sake of a back up "just in case you are separated from your main gear" is a silly notion. A pocket kit is to carry all the time, for those times when you end up in a survival situation and you were not necessarily planning on roughing it in the wild.
Many more people end up in survival situations than you may think. Many times it does not make the news nationally, but spend some time in wilderness country, and talk to those who volunteer for search and rescue units, or the hunting guides. To presume anyone who is lost or stranded is stupid or untrained, as you suggest, is very uninformed. Things happen all the time. I have attended numerous conferences and training sessions on wilderness survival and wilderness medicine. I have had the privilege of speaking and teaching at several. If a pocket kit is all you have, it needs to be the best it can be. Ideally, anyone going out into the wilderness knowingly, should take at least a good sized waist pack, even for a day hike. A fully stocked backpack if expecting to be overnight. Each should carry as much basic survival gear as is reasonably possible. But MANY times, it just doesn't happen that way. But if they at least have a good pocket kit, they have a good chance.
By the way, one of the first principles of survival is STAY PUT !!! Your comment about wasting time with a fire or shelter, when you could be getting closer to civilization is very uninformed. It has been shown many times, persons who try to navigate their way out of a survival situation, usually get more confused and more lost. This includes many who had a compass and thought they knew how to use it. But then, they got lost didn't they? That is why they now teach youngsters to "hug a tree". Most adults should do the same.
A few fishhooks and some line, and a few feet of snare wire take up minimal space, nice to have for those few times you may go past the magic STATISTIC of 3 days.
2) I was not questioning the usefulness of fire, I was just reasoning that most average people do not possess firestarting skills. Once again, check out my article: I emphasize firestarting tools more than anything else in my kit.
3) First of all, I was referring to the building of a fire, while on the move, just for the sole purpose of water purification - that is a waste of time, if you're not going to use the fire for anything else. Secondly, I did not mean that shelter building was a waste of time, I meant that it takes time and energy away from other tasks. Plus, it is inefficient. If nighttime is approaching and it has just begun to rain, and you have yet to build a brush shelter, then you are in a bad position. Brush shelters are only good if you have them built in advance, which should've been done anyway, if the person had any common sense.
4) There is no way to generalize whether or not you should stay put or move, it is completely dependent on your location and situation. If I get lost in a local forest preserve, I know it's only a day's hike to the nearest road. But if I'm in a very large state park, then I would definitely be more apt to stay put and signal for help.
5) You say that "things happen" to trained people as well. But what things? Nothing is completely random.
For example: I have about 18 or 19 years of camping and hiking experience, give or take, but I am only self taught - I'm NOT an expert by any means. Nonetheless, I have never actually found myself to ever be truly "lost". Is this just dumb luck? I don't think so. I think that it's because I plan everything in advance: geography, topography, weather, local plants and animals, the route I'm going to take, all of the possible problems that I may encounter - ways to avoid them, ways to solve them, etc. It may take me months to plan a week long trip. I would even go as far to say that I am overly paranoid when it comes to this subject, but regardless, nothing exceedingly bad has ever happened to me as a result of it. Now, accidental injuries do happen, and there's no way to avoid those besides just generally "being careful", but I do honestly believe that anyone who has ever gotten "lost" did so either because of lack of training and/or lack of planning. Both are equally important, but if anything, the planning part is dominant.
5) By the way, I did include fishing and trapping supplies in my kit, however, my kit is a little bit bigger than this person's. That's why I recommended that he discard some of his to make room for more important gear.
Once again, thank you for your input, it was greatly appreciated.
Photons are so small and reliable, you can attach them to your tent zipper and carry an extra.
It is said that a mirror is totally useless in the woods, except for shaving, which is also totally useless.
The tag doesn't weigh anything and doesn't take up much space. It came in handy once to mark one of my bags on a trip. It can also be fashioned into a fishing lure.
As far as the mirror, I'm not always in a triple canopy forest. in the mountains, on the open prairie, or in the desert, they can be seen for miles. Besides a signaling device it sure is handy to get a speck of dust out of your eye while you're on the trail.
But, this is why there are sites like this one. You get a wide variety of perspectives and opinions
Smart phones can be loaded with localized maps and digital compasses. They can mimic GPS units. Software can tell you what stars are in your sky even if you can't see the stars. They can tell the temp and when the sun and moon rise and set. You can take pictures of each trail split to prevent wandering in circles. You can d/l survival manuals, how to tie knots... The most minor thing a modern cell phone does is to make calls
Alas, they are power hungry and my mini Mag doesn't have a USB port for recharging... yet.
And if all comes to naught the voice recorder can make your final wishes clear. Much better than scratching out a "I kilt the bare that kilt me" on a piece of scrap leather for J.J. to find
Just out of curiousity, being a former Scouter myself, how many coffee cans were mostly full of candy and junk foods?
If you liked this mini kit, you might enjoy looking at the auto emergency kit that I made for my wife's car.
Auto Emergency Survival Kit
I planned on using this as a quick way to add heat while I'm wrapped in my space blanket. Just light it and stick it in a small hole in the ground between your legs.
If you're like me, you won't stop to build shelter and gather fire wood when you're lost while out hunting, hiking or whatever. You will walk and walk and walk until midnight and always thinking that your camp, shelter, car, home or whatever is just another 5 minutes away. By the time you're too tired to walk anymore, you're too tired to build shelter and gather fire in the DARK. So this is a nice way to give you a little heat right away while in your space blanket.
Also, dip the cap, and neck of the bottle in wax to seal it up good.
I'm not a fan of wax candles because unless they are bees wax, they have too low of a melting point and depending on the time of year and how hot it gets, they can melt and make a mess in your kit. If you do put a wax candle in it, go to where the churches get their candles. Those are bees wax and have a long burn time with a higher melting point.
Well thought out; thank you.


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Release date: October 22, 2013
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It seems odd to afford such praise upon a cheap, silly little picture that the ragtag South American pop culture profiteers Michael and Roberta Findlay were barely even able to sell back in the early 70s, but its true. Never has the fourth wall of cinema ever crumbled the way it did when Allan Shackleton tacked on an ending to make it seem as if an actress in the film, after the director called cut, was disembowelled in front of an active filmmaking crew and audience. The execution, entre intended, was unbelievable at best, but the lightning rod it was for politics, be it gender equality, cultural stereotypes or questions of morality, depravity and entertainment was special. Decades before beheadings in Iraq being released on the internet would challenge our national innocence,
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s illusion of reality probably represents one of Earths greatest collective suspensions of disbelief, given the quality of the finished film, but it works because as people we want it to be real in order to help us understand the vulnerabilities of our body.
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As great a gimmick as Blue Undergrounds first DVD was,
is a picture where the very conversation and debate about its existence is more interesting than the film itself. It needed a release to encapsulate all that context that came with the film and its original infamous theatrical issue back in 1976. So here we are today, where Bill Lustig and his team have dug up news clippings, old tapes and essays on the films hot button topics and have shot new interviews from filmmakers both inside and outside of the films process, to better help us understand one of cinemas most fascinating of pictures. But is there really enough there in this notoriously terrible film to discuss? Drive director Nicolas Winding Refn thinks so but what about some dude who reviews horror movies on the internet?
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The 75-minute preamble before the snuff scene begins with a harem of women riding on motorcycles looking for some good pot. One of their cult members, Ana (
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), has some, but as her peer Susanna (
Liliana Fernández Blanco
) so eloquently puts it shes a greedy bitch whos always holding out on us! When the girls find Ana strung out, they decide to shoot her with her own gun for payback. It doesnt quite kill her, so they capture her and have her meet with their master, Satan (its pronounced Saw-tahn, subtle right?). Because Ana disobeyed her by I guess doing drugs without her friends(?), she must in turn be tortured as punishment. Each one of you must obey my command, or each one of you must die! Satan (
Enrique Larratelli
) prophetically reminds the ladies. Nice guy.
Original DVD
Meanwhile, popular American actress Terry London (
Mirtha Massa
) has just touched down in Buenos Aires to film a new movie for director Maximilian Marsh (
Aldo Hold the Mayo
). Despite all of Maxs advances, Terry starts to fall for German playboy Horst Frank (
Clao Villanueva
). Horst was originally seeing Angelica (
Margarita Amuchástegui
), another lady in Satans harem, but when Terry starts in on him jealousy is only the beginning. If this is sounding like a Spanish soap opera, its because it is. We soon find out why all these love triangles are important Satan wants a child. No, not in the Omen kind of way, but instead a child to sacrifice. I dont really know why Angelica would want to endure 9 months of pregnancy for that, but when Terry and Horst become an item Satan shifts the focus to Terrys fertility and hopes that someday soon hell be able to sacrifice her child. Youd think hed just go into some hospital or just steal a baby from a woman on the street, but I guess being practical comes second to talking in sermons like Rasputin.
Original DVD
To make sure that all is clear for Terry to be impregnated by Horst, Satan has Angelica murder Max during the big Argentina street festival (This is so much better than Mardi Gras! Terry notes). After that, its orgies for Satan and his women in the water, flashbacks to Angelinas past with her pet turtle, a debate about war ethics and the Jews, a continuous loop of the start of Steppenwolfs Born to Be Wild and a bunch of black and white scenes where Satan demands subjugation from his groupies. Theres also a very elaborate investigation after Maxs murder consisting of the films director, Michael Findlay, sitting behind a desk in some field acting like a detective. Really convincing plot here. Nine months pass and the ladies stage a siege on Antonios house, where Horst is currently wife swapping while Terry has a nap. The ladies get in and start to kill off the houseguests one by one, including Terry stabbing the knife into her
Alright, cut.
Original DVD
The camera pulls back to reveal a small film set (thats supposed to be the scene we just saw, but in actuality looks little like it) with 10 crew members calling it a night. The gaffer goes to wrap one of the 650s before he says probably one of the worst pickup lines ever on film: That was a gory scene, it really turned me on. The funny thing is that it actually works, as the blonde actress (who, again, is supposed to be someone from the film we just watched but looks nothing like any of the other actresses) shockingly admits that it turned her on, too. Think about that for a second a pregnant woman being stabbed in the stomach on a dull film set for a shitty movie just turned on two crew members who probably just put in a 12-hour day of filming. Ive suspended my disbelief for a lot of weird shit in this genre, but this might just be the toughest. The two then immediately start making out on the bed before the actress opens her eyes to realize shes being filmed (those old Arri 16mm mags are LOUD, so if we didnt just see she had a conversation with the gaffer Id assume she was deaf). The actress is startled, but the gaffer, who we should note is wearing a shirt that says Vida Es Muerte, which means Life is Death in Spanish, pins her down. The filming persists (and from multiple angles, despite the fact that one camera is only ever established on this set) and things escalate quickly. First her shoulder is stabbed, then her finger crimped, her hand sawed off and then finally her insides pulled from her stomach as the balding gaffer raises her entrails up and screams. Shes muerte. The film runs out as the director asks Didya get it? Did you get all of it?
Original DVD
Ive watched this movie a handful of times now, and still Im not even sure Ive got all of it. Before we get to the snuff sequence that everyone was duped into seeing, the vast majority of the footage, which was sold as
The Slaughter
in 1971, is a quilt of poorly sewn sequences and sources. The Findlays try to combine festival stock footage, black and white soft-core pornography and low budget run-and-gun handheld filming together in a narrative that while never in the least bit cohesive remains always interesting in a kind of fever dream fashion. Watching this film today, you certainly see how later films, particularly Tarantinos
Kill Bill
and Harmony Korines
Spring Breakers
would co-opt a number of the ideas that the Findlays kind of barfed up on camera. The idea of group of female assassins killing for their patriarchal leader and the mix of different film stocks certainly seems similar to Tarantinos kung fu opus, and similarly the group of bikini clad babes descending into madness during a weeklong party is something Korine would use for
Spring Breakers
, right down to the elliptical, repetitive editing structure, with looping music and a man spouting nonsensical idioms like But I, for one, do not like jackals.
Original DVD
All told, the Findlay flick is actually pretty crazy and a fun time capsule if you can get by the cheap production value and cobbled together construction. If youre willing to look deeper, I think theres a pretty interesting theme of patriarchy that runs through this, and its something that works even better when paired with the tacked-on New York ending directed by Simon Nuchtern (whom slasher fans might recognize as the guy behind the 3D picture
Silent Madness
in 1984). Considering this was a film made in response to the Charles Manson murders in 1969, it offers a telling compound of what-ifs that could have stood to motivate the killings. Sort of like Gus Van Sants
, where many possible influences are shown that could have motivated the killings,
shows a number of examples of how women have been subjugated here by men and why that might lead to their blind devotion. With the harem we see Ana as being drug dependent, Angelica as being a victim of rape and child molestation, as well as having abandonment issues from her own father, and Susanna as temperamental because of her feelings of jealousy and inadequacy. Even outside Satans lady followers, we see the actress Terry as one who is a pawn for her director as well as the aristocracy of the Frank family. That Frank is another name for penis seems not the coincidence considering the first time we are introduced to Satan in the film its from a lengthy tilt down from the most phallic building in all of Argentina. Respect the cock, as Frank Mackie would say in
Original DVD
And whats interesting about all these themes is that I think the Findlays are saying that the women really do respect this male dominated world, rather than fear it like we the viewer would think. One of the women notes later in the film: Being your servant is in a way freedom. Shes talking about being in Satans cult, but she may as well be articulating the life of the suburban housewife of the time. We see even the hugely successful Terry give up her career as an actress in favor of loafing around big houses, comfortable with being just the mother of Horsts child. Its a cruel world the Findlays have envisioned, and its an even crueler one when you see the way the actress is then murdered in front of a crowd (of admittedly both men and women) in the extra
footage. The metaphors and the story and all semblances of film form are all over the place, but its still a pretty heavily mounted look at gender politics.
Original DVD
Thats not to say the Findlays were all just about biting social commentary, because they certainly werent. The couple were game to criticize themselves and their pictures, namely when Horst lambasts Terrys director by saying This Maximilian Marsh all he does is sex pictures, all hes interested in is big bosoms! For a film where pretty much every woman walks around at some point without a top, you know the Findlays were giving back a little wink. When the actress Terry responds but thats what the public pays to see, the Findlays modus operandi is scrawled right out there in case it wasnt already obvious. Who knows, in a perfectly socialist society, maybe they would have been making hard-hitting family dramas?
Original DVD
The Slaughter
film proper, before the
tack-on, is from a technical perspective pretty terrible. The matte box can be seen on the edges of frame in pretty much every shot, the acting is atrocious and the dubbing (some by Roberta Findlay herself) is even worse. The recycled few notes from Born to Be Wild is hilariously shameless, and the narrative has bigger holes combined than the
killers bald spot. Yet, theres just something about the patchwork assembly of the film and the hypnotic quality of Satan and his story that sort of just washes over you. Its so all-over-the-place that the
ending is actually kind of a piss off since we never actually get to see how this thing was meant to end. For most, this movie is one long bit of foreplay before the advertised snuff, but for me its caviar and the lobster before a gooey slice of cherry pie. I love the ragtag
Original DVD
But now,
. Wed never be talking about the Findlays or their shoddy little picture if it werent for the lightning rod ending thought up by Allan Shackleton. Like the Findlay flick, its production values are certainly sub-par and the real gore effects pretty laughable. But like with the Findlay flick, they give it the old college try. Its clear there is a hole in the bed and that the womans real body is underneath the body of entrails. The finger bends like the rubber that it is when it is crimped off. The blood looks like a condiment for a hot dog. Hands falsely twitch when they are severed, and the heart (although I will give credit for the beating palpitations) is easily pulled out of the womans stomach area. Its all very bad, but if you go with it, its an entertaining enough little piece of vaudeville. The best part of the entire sequence is the off-putting man they hired for the lead. His eyes seem stretched and his face almost alien and coupled with a broad physique and working man attire he just seeps out the sleaze required to sell such an activity. The feral intensity of his scream as he pulls up her entrails and the film runs out is an iconic moment of horror cinema. That its so effective proceeding the low rent 80-odd minutes before is a testament to the performance there (by an actor thats never been identified on any credits).
Original DVD
When tacked on to Findlays film, the inherent misogyny puts a bow tie on
The Slaughter
s themes of male domination. While the women in Findlays film are comfortable with their subjugation, remember they call it freedom,
is a cruel reminder that especially in a post-Manson world trust is something that should never be blindly bequeathed. The indifference of the filmmakers speaks I guess about our capitalistic world and how work would take precedence over inherent traits of empathy or compassion. This two-pronged attack on a male dominated world is not a rosy one, but a cautionary tale for women and how important it is to reach self-actualization. Made during the heyday of womens lib, you can see how such ideas were just fuel for the fire.
Original DVD
Separated from the hubbub (some paid for, some genuine)
may have caused back in 1976, viewing of the film(s) today will certainly be divisive. This isnt some gross gore epic like
The New York Ripper
. Its not sadistic realism to the degree of
Guinea Pig
Faces of Death
. Its some shitty little South American film that never has a conclusion, and then a half-baked attempt at sleazy snuff. Yet, for me, Shackletons aspirations for shock and the cheap, foreign feel of it all somehow register as mildly hypnotic. Its just this bizarre reel of culture and crap that I really just cant get enough of. Id say theres merit in the debate about the films themes about women, but moreover, its just this sleazy, loopy ride that you can pop in at any time and marvel at the fact that it was ever even made. For viewers today, its both an example of the listless low budget filmmaking of the post-
Easy Rider
era and a precursor to the torture porn era thats come to define modern porn.
s a little of everything, and thats probably why its spark for controversy still burns on today. May it never be snuffed out.
Image Quality
Original DVD
Prior to this release,
has always been displayed in a full frame, open matte format. Here now for the first time it is displayed in 1.66:1, although Im not entirely sure on that decision. The US widescreen format has always been roughly 1.85:1, so its doubtful the end sequence ever would have been shot for the European 1.66:1 ratio. Very little is written about South American theaters of the time (or ever, really), so its tough to discern what aspect ratio they were using. Im of the mind that if a movie is cropped to 1.66:1 these days, like it was for Black Christmas at one time, its more a compromise between the commonly viewed open matte and the aspect ratios of televisions today. Compromises are never good in this situation, and in this case Id rather see the film full frame. Not that the compositions here are anything close to resembling cinematic or even displaying an iota of mise en scene, but I find the lower half of the frame is often very cramped, with much of the framing edging on the joints, which is a cardinal sin for traditional image composition. Granted, Roberta Findlay was the cinematographer and likely had little formal training on composition, so Im sure to her framing wasnt of primary importance. However, if you look at close-ups of heads that cut uncomfortably on the chin and the top of the head during the
footage, or the way the actresss bloody arm during the
footage is now completely out of frame in the 1.66:1 crop, I think a strong case can be made that the 1.33:1 aspect ratio is the proper framing for this picture.
Original DVD
Aspect ratio aside, whats not up for debate is the quality improvement of this transfer over Blue Undergrounds previous DVD. Color reproduction is hugely improved. On the past DVD, frequencies in the higher IRE range would simply blow out, but here they are preserved with strong detail. Everything before was washed out, and now here the summery greens of one of the southern-most countries really pop. The film print used (one of the last surviving, according to Blue Underground) does seem a little worse for wear than the tape master used for the DVD, but theres no question the overall quality has been improved the length of ones intestine. There are specs and scratches throughout, and some scenes are worse than others with a lot of vertical lines from being projected all these years. This kind of natural film damage adds a degree of charm to the film, that even if projected on a pristine print for the first time would still look like a tattered cloak. Transfer-wise, one thing I do hold objection to is the color timing of the black and white sequences. They now exhibit a blue tinge not sure why they didnt just suck out all the color. I suppose its a moderate improvement over the violet high end on the DVD, but its still not ideal. Furthermore, for a film that was filmed with different standards in different countries with different crews, I guess no presentation is ever going to be perfect. I think Blue Underground did a great job restoring the film back to a filmic presentation, although I ultimately think they made the wrong decision with their choice of framing.
EDIT: I spoke with Blue Underground about the composition choice, and this is what they had to say:
The transfer was done from one of the only surviving 35mm theatrical prints, which was in 1:66:1 aspect ratio. We didnt change or crop anything on the master we were given. The original DVD was made from an old 1 video master found in the UK. We dont have any information on who did that transfer or what materials they used for it.
The debate rages on!
Original DVD
Its kind of awesome to take in the fact that a film that was once released in a brown paper bag now has a DTS-HD certified sound mix. Its only 1.0, but the Master Audio track is in much better condition than the film elements used for the video transfer. Sound is alarmingly clear, with a very low noise floor and no crackling or damage to note. It sounds very direct, probably the by-product of being almost completely dubbed. Even the
scene, with the live dialogue, still sounds clear and full. Of course this track does nothing to disguise the atrocious dialogue or the laughable echo thats added every time Satan speaks, but thats all part of the fun. The audio quality on this release will be the least of anyones complaints its actually quite good.
Supplemental Material
Finally, the special edition we always wanted for a film where the controversy around it was always more interesting than the film itself. Like the movie proper, we get a weird mix of extras from different formats (some originated from a tape master, the rest HD) and different people. What could be more fitting?
Probably the most surprising extra of all is the interview and introduction from celebrated foreign filmmaker Nicolas Winding Refn, who admits to loving the underground aspects of the film and its kind of rock star status. He talks about how it has inspired him as a festish filmmaker himself, and also helps give the film context by speaking about the history of the films creation and how it affects how we appreciate it today. I think he does a good job encapsulating the essence of the picture, although he doesnt seem to like the film as much as he does like the mystique around it. I think both of those are great. Refns interview, Up to
runs 7:29, and he also provides a short intro that can optionally be played before the picture. Refn boldly asserts in the intro that had Godard made a film in America, this would have been his first movie. Sounds silly, but Breathless does have that same cobbled quality.
The next extra is Shooting
(10:27) that contains a revealing interview with filmmaker Carter Stevens, who was the man who rented out his studio space to Shackleton for the infamous ending. He explains his relationship with Shackleton and describes what he remembers of the actual production. The best story to come from this is how the actress was actually convinced that she was going to be killed on camera and how Stevens had to calm her by pointing out that if this were a real snuff film his kids wouldnt just be hanging around the loft during filming. It was a different time, wasnt it? Its great to finally hear someone involved with the film discuss it, even if Stevens was only really on the periphery. With both Michael Findlay and Allan Shackleton dearly departed, youd think that would be the end of the line, but Roberta Findlay is still alive, as is the director of the snuff scene, Simon Nuchtern. Would be great to one day hear from them.
Bill Kelly: Porn Buster (4:57) is a short shot-on-video interview with the FBI agent from what looks to be the early-90s or somewhere around there. Kelly talks about his job investigating allegations of snuff pictures and his intent to protect human decency. He admits his search for actual snuff films has never led to anything to substantiate the claims, but its pretty interesting the way he went about it soliciting the work of criminals to try to infiltrate a non-existent dirty picture ring. He talks about the Shackleton film and then just snuff films in general, and its nice to have yet another angle on this film. Youve got Refn as an accomplished admirer, Stevens as someone who made the picture, and Kelly someone who tried to take it down. Good stuff.
There is also a sizeable essay by Alexandra Heller-Nicholas on
and its legend, although its primarily focused on how females are portrayed in the picture and how accusations labelling the film as misogynistic are largely false. Its nothing too illuminating, but a good read nonetheless.
The better read is the Controversy Gallery, which includes scans of a number of news clippings from newspapers of the time that covered the film and its controversy that are advanced with the remotes chapter buttons. Beyond just talks of the films merits or the truth behind the snuff footage, the film ends up sparking debate about censorship and even state laws regarding motion picture distribution.
is called everything from poison to anti-matter to even a cretins delight (Im guilty as charged, then!) and what a great time capsule this whole gallery proves to be. It would be nice to see more films preserve the climate wherein it was released. Imagine how interesting such an extra would be for a film like The Thing, whose critical consensus then is completely different than the one it appreciates today.
There is also a promotional gallery, and I must say, every poster or cover art made for this movie rules. The German American cannibale poster, with a big titted blonde tied to a post (must have missed that in the movie) is downright awesome. It was also apparently called Big Snuff in Germany as well, and there are a number of lobby cards included with that title affixed. Theres also interestingly a French cover that features stills from a completely different movie. There are a few good behind the scenes shots of the New York shoot, including one with the effects guy pumping blood (just in case there was any doubt that this wasnt real).
Lastly with the promo stuff we have trailers for both the US and German releases of the film. And thats that.
While fans of the film should be very happy with this careful collection of context and opinion, it is a real shame that the crown jewel for
fans was not included. For years, fans of the film have always asked one question: HOW THE FUCK DOES THE REAL MOVIE END? Were pretty sure that Findlays
The Slaughter
was originally screened in 1971 and that it was its own complete film (it was at least sold as such to Allan Shackleton), but its unknown whether a print of that original cut has survived. It certainly would be great to see how that crazy story of Satan and his cooze corps actually wrapped up, but I suppose in some way that would destroy part of the mystique about this picture. Is there anyone out there who has seen it? Drop me a line.
EDIT: Heres what Blue Underground said about
The Slaughter
Our original intention was to include both cuts of the film on the Blu-ray. It was supposed to come out months ago, but we delayed the release while we searched for the original
materials. Despite a couple leads, nothing was ever located. Given its very brief theatrical release (if any), we suspect that only one or two prints of
ever existed and were lost or destroyed over the years. We also searched for the original
negative, but that proved unsuccessful too. The original ending to
remains a mystery
Final Thoughts
Bring in the camera, Ill give you a show!
Original DVD
sure is a show. Theres really nothing out there like it. On one hand you have this freewheeling, psychedelic ransom note of an Argentinian soap opera, and on the other you have this sleazy grindhouse murder sequence that would set the stage for Blue Underground owner Bill Lustigs own
a few years later (its the circle of life). The two parts work together as a whole about patriarchy and panic in a post-Manson world, and at the very least its a fascinating window into a different era in cinema. Blue Underground preserves this films history with a solid spate of supplements that cover the film from all angles, be it critical, historical or anecdotal. They also ensure the film will be preserved for years to come with a much improved video and sound remaster, although the debate regarding the aspect ratio may be as controversial as the film itself (not really). Some love this movie, many more hate it, but one thing is for certain: when you see this movie, you will never forget it. Thats how you make history.
Movie - A-
Image Quality - B+
Sound - A-
Supplements - B+
Technical Info.
Colour & Black and White
Running time - 1 hour and 20 minutes
Not Rated
1 Disc
Chapter Stops
English DTS-HD Master Audio 1.0
English SDH subtitles
Supplemental Material
Interview with Filmmaker Nicolas Winding Refn
Interview with Filmmaker Carter Stevens
Interview with FBI Agent Bill Kelly
Nicolas Winding Refn intro
US & German trailers
Controversy gallery
Poster & Still gallery
: The Seventies and Beyond" essay by Alexandra Heller-Nicholas
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Really, a A- for SNUFF? I didn't think controversial meant good. Definitely a surprising rating. I would have probably given it a C.
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It's one letter...I qualify that score for 5,000 words. I know most would probably disagree with that rating, but as I said for me the film is made all the better by its flaws and it really is a one of a kind viewing experience.
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But you're meant to be rating the movie, not how many words you put into the review. The disc itself looks great and the picture seems vastly improved, but the rating of the actual film is not a good indication for people who have never seen it before. I mean, The Howling 2 is also a one of a kind viewing experience a well and that didn't even get a rating.
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The rating is my own, a grade that I'd give it myself. Not one that I think horror fans as a whole would agree upon. By your criteria, there are several great films that would not be worthy of an A because many people would not understand its appeal or get its concepts. Films like WR: Mysteries of the Organism, The Holy Mountain, Wavelength, Salo, Inland Empire, etc.
Personally, I'd rather read a critic that gave an opinion honest to themselves (like, say, the folks at Slant Magazine) than one that just satisfies the masses. You are allowed to disagree with that sentiment, but that's where I'm coming from when I write my reviews.
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That's fair enough as it is your own review but for me that makes the rating redundant. I like to reading a persons views on a film and am happy for them to like a terrible film as long as they can say it's not for everyone. I guess the "A" bugs me because I see the rating as a "must check out", "likely enjoy" kind of rating. In the case of Snuff I find all the controversy around the film is far more interesting than the film itself. That makes good marketing, but I don't think the film holds up at all to its legend. That's my 2 cents.
It's a good review though rhett.
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I like to reading a persons views on a film and am happy for them to like a terrible film as long as they can say it's not for everyone.
From the last paragraph of my review:
"Some love this movie, many more hate it, but one thing is for certain: when you see this movie, you will never forget it."
And from the last paragraph of the "Story" section:
"Separated from the hubbub (some paid for, some genuine) Snuff may have caused back in 1976, viewing of the film(s) today will certainly be divisive. This isnt some gross gore epic like Anthropophagus or The New York Ripper. Its not sadistic realism to the degree of Guinea Pig or Faces of Death. Its some shitty little South American film that never has a conclusion, and then a half-baked attempt at sleazy snuff. "
So there's definitely forewarning before that A-. Thanks for sharing your opinion though, Zombie Dude, always appreciated.
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Well it does seem I am the only one with an issue for the films rating as no one else has chimed in
When something doesn't sit right with me I often feel like I have to put forth my own opinion so I hope I haven't offended you with that. I still don't agree with the rating but that's just my opinion as you say.
Keep up the good reviews rhett; I look forward to the next one.
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^ anyways...
Very good review Rhett! I agree, the film is not for everyone, but then again, you DID mention that a few times in your 5000+ word review.
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Snuff Questions:
1) Did the Findlays actually direct SLAUGHTER, or did they purchase the in/complete film and redub, shoot some inserts, etc as was common at the time? I find it hard to believe they would go to South America to shoot, or that anyone would hire them to come there.
2) The "murderer" in the NY death footage looks very familiar. The press book for CHILDREN SHOULDN'T PLAY.....has a pic of a guy who went insane after seeing it, it looks like the same guy.
3) AFAIK the protests at theaters were arranged by Shackleton, as was a bogus "Women Against Snuff" group of some kind.
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