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What neighborhoods in Portland are good for eating out?
NW 23rd St. in Portland is home to some of the city's finest and trendiest restaurants. Local-favorite Coffee Time, located in the area, is a popular retreat for Portland residents to unwind and enjoy a first-rate cup o' jo. North Mississippi is another favorite neighborhood for the Portland food aficionado. Mississippi Pizza Pub, located here, is well known for its scrumptious food and hip, live music. But perhaps the newest and most notable food craze in Portland is the yummy "street-food", with vendors popping up in abundance throughout the city. Swing by Cora y Huichol Taqueria, on the corner of SE Holgate St. and 82nd Ave and pick up a mouth-watering Tostada de Camaron for a tasty and authentic Mexican treat!
What are the most fun neighborhoods in Portland?
The Pearl District is Portland's trendiest and most talked about neighborhood of the last decade. Once an old warehouse district, the Pearl has been completely transformed and is now home to the city's hippest shops and restaurants. In addition to the nightlife and shopping attractions situated here, Powell's Books, the country's largest independent bookstore, is located here and is a "must-see" for all booklovers. First Thursday, in the Pearl District, is a monthly event where the art galleries stay open late and locals put on their Sunday best to come out, drink wine, and check out the latest art.
Is there a coffee house or someplace in Goose Hollow where the locals hang out?
Portland is overflowing with fabulous coffee joints. Wired on Burnside is a local-fave spot in Goose Hollow with aromatic brews and the friendliest baristas around town. This funky yet cozy neighborhood spot also serves up cheap and tasty bagel sandwiches and pastries, as well as yummy milkshakes, smoothies, and Italian sodas. Fehrenbacher Hof is another beloved local coffee shop, located on 19th Ave. This hidden gem resides within an inviting and unpretentious little house with a charming porch out front. So order up a stung cup o' jo and one of Fehrenbacher's delectable breakfast sandwiches and enjoy it out in the sunshine.
im considering moving to portland and renting what neighborhoods should i avoid?
Nearly all areas of Portland are safe, especially during the day. The city is filled with many unique neighborhoods, with most of the nicer areas closer to downtown. Northeast Portland is perhaps the least desirable section of the city and many locals avoid crossing above 82nd Street during nightfall. Southwest and Northwest Portland are known for their charm and beauty, but these areas do tend to be on the pricier side. Eastmoreland is also a nice neighborhood, as well as the casual and artsy Inner Southeast vicinity.
What kinds of outdoor activities do people enjoy in Portland?
Not only does Portland have many parks and outdoor recreational areas within city limits, but it also is not very far from such places as the Columbia River, the southern chain of the Cascade Mountains and the Pacific Ocean, all of which are prime locations to enjoy the outdoors. There are at least 4 National Parks within 50 miles, including the Deschutes and Snoqualmie National Forests. Portland residents enjoy golfing, mountain biking, skiing, ice climbing, hiking, fishing and wind surfing at different times of the year. Many people move to Portland because of the plentiful outdoor activities and easy access to the wilderness.
I've got dogs. What are the best places in Portland for being outdoors with pets?
Portland is chock full of dog-friendly establishments from dog parks to farmer's markets to local restaurants. Hoyt Arboretum boasts 185 acres with 1,100 species of trees and 12 miles of trails for you and your pup to enjoy. Forest Park is the largest city park in the United States with about 5,000 acres of dog-friendly natural area with abundant natural wildlife and a massive tree canopy. Chimney Dog Park on North Columbia Boulevard is a 16-acre local favorite off-leash park open year round with sprawling meadows, trails, and fenced-in areas for the pups. Berlin Inn German Restaurant and Bakery allows dogs on their outdoor patio, even offering a special doggie menu with treats for your favorite furry friend! Every October, Portland's Lucky Labrador Brew Pub is home to the annual Dogtoberfest where dogs can get a good washing and all proceeds are donated to a local charity.
Does Portland have any famous museums or exhibitions?
Portland is home to an impressive array of fun and educational museums for visitors of all ages. The Children's Museum, located on Southwest Canyon Road, is an interactive museum with exhibits showcasing the natural world, sound, gravity, medicine, light and shadow, and more. Located on Southwest Park Avenue, Portland Art Museum is a sprawling 112,000 square foot facility displaying ancient through modern-day art from all around the world. Portland's World Forestry Center offers visitors a glimpse of life and changes within the forest, with many educational and interactive displays, a forest canopy habitat featuring live animals, and even a raft ride. Some other Portland favorite museums include the Hat Museum, the Museum of Contemporary Craft, the Oregon Historical Society Museum, and the Oregon Maritime Center and Museum.
What areas of Portland are safe for walking around at night?
Portland's Pearl District and Northwest Portland are nice, safe areas, close to downtown and conveniently located along the streetcar line. However, these neighborhoods are on the pricier end of things. Some less expensive safe neighborhoods are located on the east side of the river, including the Hawthorne District, Irvington, and Alberta. According to neighborhoodscout.com, the neighborhoods with the lowest crime rate in Portland are Sylvan, Benny Slope, Portland Heights, Kaiser Road, and Englewood.
Is Portland a good place for families?
Portland is a great place for families. While it does rain quite a bit throughout the year, that rain is the source of all of Portland's top-notch forests, flowers, and farms, and the summers are beautiful and generally sunny. In addition to plenty of parks, opportunities for boating, fishing, hiking, camping, and swimming abound. Plus, it has accessible skiing at Mt. Hood. Portland is also home to the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (OMSI), the Portland Children's Museum, the Oregon Zoo, and the World Forestry Center.
Will I need a car in Portland?
No, you probably won't need a car in Portland. Over 12 percent of Portland's residents uses mass transit to get to work on a daily basis. While this might not sound like a lot, this number is 735 percent greater than the Oregon average and 567 percent greater than the national average, indicating that Portland's public transit system is very well developed. Local bus service is provided by TriMet, which also operates the MAX light rail system, which connects the city and suburbs. In addition to Portland's mass transportation options, Portland was ranked the 12th most walkable of fifty largest U.S. cities by a 2011 study by Walk Score. Biking is also a popular options for Portland's commuters.


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About LIM College
"Fashion Now & Then" Symposium
Symposium on the past, present, and future of fashion information
Fashion Now & Then
is a one-day symposium that will be held at LIM College on Saturday, April 9, 2011. Participants will discuss the past, present, and future uses of fashion information. Since fashion research draws upon many sources, the focus will be on challenges regarding the collection and preservation of fashion and related contextual information.
The symposium will consist of a keynote lecture by LIM College Professor Ron Knoth on Lester Gaba and two panel discussions with panelists and moderators drawn from the fashion industry, archives, museums, and libraries.
The two panel discussions are:
- The Fashion Photograph
- Preserving the Past & Present: Models for the Collection, Preservation, Use and Sharing of Information
Panel presenters and moderators include:
- Andrew Beccone, Founder & Director of Reanimation Library
- Carrie Bickner, Principal of the Bickner Group
- Ari Seth Cohen, Creator of Advanced Style
- Deirdre Donohue, Librarian at the International Center of Photography
- Amanda Hallay, Clinical Assistant Professor of Fashion Merchandising at LIM College
- Rachel King, Librarian at LIM College
- Molly Monosky, Archivist at the Fairchild Archive
- Virginia Millington, Manager, Recording & Archive at StoryCorps
- Jon Patrick, Creator of The Selvedge Yard
The event will take place on April 9,2011 in the LIM College Townhouse at 12 East 53rd Street between Fifth and Madison Avenues from 8:30 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Lunch will be served. Detailed schedule available at http://fashionnowandthen.blogspot.com/p/schedule.html"
We welcome all fashion enthusiasts and anticipate the symposium will be attended by librarians, archivists, students, professors, and fashion industry professionals. A nominal entrance fee of $35 will be charged and net proceeds will benefit the LIM Fashion Education Foundation. Register for the event here: www.eventville.com/limlibrary
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When Dylan Bocanegra was three, he blamed the family's cat, Bamboo, for practically everything, recalls his mom Eva-Marie Fredric, a producer in Los Angeles.
Crayon scrawled all over the living room walls? Bamboo did it. Plastic bottle flushed down the toilet? Bamboo did it. Smoke rising from the TV set? Yup, it was you-know-who.
"Like most toddlers, Dylan had a vivid imagination and told tall tales," Fredric says. "Our cat became the scapegoat for everything he did."
That was years ago -- Dylan is now a teen. But some things never change -- plenty of preschoolers, then and now, do like he did and stretch the truth.
True Lies
Preschoolers (aged 3-5) are learning to grasp the line between reality and fantasy. Telling a fib or tall tale is not an unusual way to explore this boundary at this age. Parents are often hardwired to react hotly to what they see as a lie, but this may not always be the best way to handle the situation.
"At age 3, it's often when parents will say, 'Gosh, my child is lying. I don't know what to do," says Tanya Remer Altmann, MD, FAAP, pediatrician and author of Mommy Calls: Dr. Tanya Answers Parents' Top 101 Questions About Babies and Toddlers. "But it's a fuzzy line between what's real and what's in their imagination."
Let's say that your 3-year-old spilled milk on the floor. You ask, "Who spilled it?" and your child says, "Not me." It's not that your child is lying, Altmann says. She may wish she didn't spill it, or if the spill took place an hour ago, she might not even remember spilling it.
Anyone under age 5 is too young to understand what a lie is, says Mark Bowers, PhD, pediatric psychologist in Ann Arbor, Mich. They don't have the same cognitive capacity as a kindergarten-age kid who begins to learn the difference between right and wrong.
"You don't have a future criminal on your hands because your child's not 'fessing up to spilling the milk in the kitchen," Bowers says.
Laying Down the Ground Rules
If you catch your child drawing on the walls, you may be tempted to confront her: "Are you the one who did this?" Chances are she'll say "no" because she doesn't want to make you mad or get in trouble.
It's better to state what the rule is and offer a solution, Bowers says. For example, "We have a rule in this house that we only draw on paper. So why don't we get some soap and you can help Daddy clean it up."
To avoid accusations, he advocates a Columbo approach, or playing dumb. Within your child's earshot, you can say: "Oh, I wonder how this milk got spilled? It would really be nice if somebody could help me clean it up."
After your kid comes over and helps you, give him a high five for helping out.
"These are teaching opportunities to show your child what they should do in the future," Altmann says. "Unless it's really serious, stay away from punishment and turn it into a learning opportunity."
Superheroes, Disneyland, and Tall Tales
Creativity is at a high point from age 3 to 5, Bowers says.
Imaginary play is part of a child's natural growth and development. You start to see imaginary friends, superhero fantasies, wishful thinking, and talk about places your child has never been, like Disneyland. You can help nurture your child's imagination while teaching them the importance of honesty.
Don't worry if your child details a fictitious trip to Disneyland. Simply respond by saying, "Well, you know, we haven't been to Disneyland yet, but if we did go, what would you want to do?"
"Whenever possible, have fun with them," Bowers says. "Join them so they can pursue what's in their imagination."
Preschoolers often stretch the truth to get your attention. You can encourage your child to tell the truth, says Fran Walfish, PsyD, a child and family psychotherapist and author of The Self-Aware Parent.
One way she suggests is saying to your child: "You have such a wonderful imagination and when you say A, B, or C, I can't always tell if it's your imagination or if it's real. The thing that is most important, that makes a person feel safe between two people, is when we tell the truth and always say what's real."
Be Positive, Don't Judge
"It's very important to be able to gently, without judgment, put accountability where it belongs," Walfish says. "You have to bust your child in a nice way."
Use language your preschooler can understand. For example, you might say: "It's hard sometimes to tell Mommy that you did it. You say the cat did it because you're worried about Mommy being mad at you. But you and I both know the cat can't do it. I'm the kind of Mommy that wants to hear that you did it and then we can talk about other ways you can get my attention."
Altmann recommends using positive phrasing. "Say 'it's important to tell the truth' instead of saying, 'Oh, you lied.' I would urge parents not to say that," she says.
Stay away from the negative stigma of calling your child a liar, Walfish says. It labels the child, makes her feel bad and that she has to hide things from you.
"You want to keep the connections open so that your child can tell you anything," Walfish says.
You don't have to wait for these types of situations to crop up. Bowers suggests reading books together that encourage honesty, such as The Boy Who Cried Wolf.
How did Fredric get her son, Dylan, to stop his fibbing? She used a cat hand puppet and a different voice to get him to 'fess up to the truth.
At the puppet's prompting, he admitted to things he did, apologized, and gave his mom a big hug. "It actually made him feel safe to tell the truth," Fredric says. "He didn't worry about getting in trouble."


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Once a month for the past 15 years, cardiac inpatients at Weiss gather in the exercise room on the 6th floor for a birthday party. They snack on fruits and vegetables and laugh together as one of the department's nurses leads the room singing a round of "Happy Birthday."
"To another healthy year!" said Virginille Palella, RN, at the conclusion of the song this past Friday.
The cardiac rehab patients and clinical team celebrate the day together to symbolize the patients' new chance at life, their re-birth after a major cardiac health event. "It's good luck for them for next year. They've been through a lot."
Many of the patients have survived life-threatening experiences and undergone open-heart surgeries. Some have the support of their families along the way. Others gain the support of the friends they make in the cardiology department.
Once the patients leave the hospital, they return as outpatients to use the exercise equipment in the cardiac rehab center. For three months, they can come in three times a week, covered by health insurance.
With sweeping views of the lake, the patients walk on treadmills, ride exercise bikes and keep careful track of their blood pressure and heart rates with the help of the nurses on hand and exercise physiologist Paul Radzki.
"It's nice to see them get better, stronger," Palella said.
Many patients continue to use the center even after three months. They pay their own way (at $6.50 a day), and some have come in regularly for the past 12 to 15 years.
"They feel safe here and feel they've made a lot of progress here. If we see problems, we trouble shoot right away and report to their doctors," Palella said.
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Gallery: Volkswagen Jumps on the City Car Bandwagon with the NILS Conce...
Here is one more car to add to the growing list of futuristic electric city cars going into production. The Volkswagen NILS EV Concept will debut alongside its Audi Urban Concept cousin at the Frankfurt Motor Show next week and is designed to please the German commuter, who needs a range of 40 miles, moderate power, and apparently only the tiniest of trunks.
The NILS Concept is an EV powered by in-wheel motors and a lithium ion battery pack. The vehicle has a 0-60 time of 11 seconds and tops out at 81 miles per hour, which is a little less than futuristic. However, the NILS has some unique features, such as a starter button placed on top of the gear shifter and mechanical steering. We'll keep you up to date with more photos when this little cutie takes a bow at Frankfurt. Until then, contemplate with us how efficiently you would have to pack to use the trunk space shown in the photo gallery.
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September 6, 2011 at 2:15 pm
I don't want to sound arrogant, but, I think it looks horrible. There doesn't even appear to be a cargo space for a two-seater.
September 6, 2011 at 10:29 am
It's cute.
We need a futuristic station wagon. In the future, people will still have families, and some of those families will still not be able to afford multiple specific-use vehicles. This future station wagon has low, aerodynamic profile. It has a large trunk area for storing child walkers, diaper bags, groceries and the kid's toys. It will be 4-door, to make it easier to get the kids in and out. The trunk entry door will allow easy entry to previously listed stored items.
This future family car will have a back seat wide enough for 3 car seats.
This is what I want. Now, make it happen automakers!


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We need a playmaker with he ability to break a tackle or juke in open field and take it to the house. Our yac is pretty bad.
We need a playmaker with he ability to break a tackle or juke in open field and take it to the house. Our yac is pretty bad.
Prov 3:6: in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight.
28 pass attempts in the red zone might have something to do with it...that for the season. Tannehill has 3 TDs and 1 INT in the red zone on those 28 pass attempts on roughly 29 or 30 red zone possessions...he's passing once each trip on average.
Has no one else noticed that when we get in the red zone all Sherman calls are runs?
He would have more if we still had Ginn and Marshall. Say what you want about about Ginn, but his speed would take the top off the defense, and BM is one of the best red zone threats in the league. Put them on this roster, with Bess and Hartline, and that six would be at least twelve...but instead we rolled out Legadu, Armstrong and Gaffney. Those guys suck even compared to Ocho...
I mean really, we were going to start this season with David Garrard as our QB and Legadu and Ocho as the starting wr's....that let's you know the talent level of our offensive skill positions.
Dudes! Homer's Defend, Defend, and Defend. But the reason he only has 6 TDs through 10 Games, is the reason our record is 4-6, and he has 11 Interceptions and a QBR of 48. Say what you want about Playmakers but 2, 3 INT Games, and 2 more against Buffalo are the reason for 3 Losses. Can't turn the Ball over and Win, Playmakers or not.
We need a receiver that can threaten deep to take the pressure off Bess and Fasano underneath. Then a big 6'6" or 6'7" tight end or receiver down near the goal line to throw it up to. Then his #'s will go up
Oh, how I miss B.Marsh...
A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"


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The top of the heap.
While we don't hide our preference for shallow, non-anatomic bars, we understand that some folks don't agree. If you're keen on "ergo" bars, then you should give the 3T Ergonova LTD Carbon Handlebar a good look. 3T has lavished the same loving attention to this bar as it has with the more traditionally shaped Rotundo.
The LTD edition of the 3T product line represents the top of the heap. No expense is spared in their quest for the strongest, lightest and loveliest looking handlebar. The lightest carbon composite materials are used, more sophisticated fabrication methods are employed, and the bolts are made from titanium instead of steel. This is a handlebar made to be lightweight, tough and stiff. Weighing just 180g, the Ergonova LTD Carbon Handlebar is one of the lightest carbon bars on the market. The top of the bars are egg or teardrop shaped which is intended to give your hands a flatter, more comfortable surface to hold onto. The designers have also seemed to anticipate some of our objections to "ergo" bars by keeping an eye on the needs of the smaller person. Not only do these bars come in an array of widths ranging from 38 to 44cm (c-c), but the reach is quite moderate at 77mm and the drop is a comfortable 123mm. Whereas a bar like the FSA Wing Pro has a 145mm drop making it very difficult for a rider with small hands to reach the brake levers while in the drops, the 123mm Ergonova drop is much closer to what one would find in a shallow, classic shape bar, giving greater ease of access to the levers and other controls.
3T uses a four-step production lifecycle to make sure that their bars and stems are light, comfortable, aero and durable with a capital D. Beginning with what they call the CAE design visualization, they can visualize and capture a virtual prototype. By using CATIA (Computer Aided Three-Dimensional Interactive Application) technology, they are able to be interactive with their design by creating solid mock ups from the virtual designs, handing them to expert riders for testing, a incorporating their feedback to the design all within a matter of days. The next step takes them to the finite-element analysis which is software that models how the prototype will react to the forces acting on it. After that, the manufacturing process begins, taking full advantage of all the data analysis that they have gathered. Finally 3T then spends hours upon hours engaging both in-house and independent testers to make sure the parts pass the mustard.
Whether you are a Karsten Kroon or a weekend warrior who loves light, reliable equipment with that ergonomic bend, 3T Ergonova LTD Carbon Handlebar will give you supreme performance and comfort. The 3T Ergonova LTD Carbon has 123mm of drop and 77mm of reach. It is designed for a 31.8mm stems. The bar is available in four sizes, 38, 40, 42, and 44cm, measured center-to-center at the drop. Please note that these bars flare out at the drops. Each drop flares out by approximately 2cm, so a set of 42cm c-c bars are, in fact, 40cm c-c at the hoods.
- High-modulus carbon fiber provides exceptional vibration dampening while retaining maximum stiffness
- Top section of the LTD is teardrop shaped for a flatter, more comfortable grip
- CATIA (Computer Aided Three-Dimensional Interactive Application) allows designers to create solid mock-ups from virtual designs, enabling 3T to conduct substantial testing in a shorter period of time
- Note: bars flare out at the drops, with each drop flaring out approximately 1cm, therefore making a 44cm bar measure 42mm c-c at the hoods
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- Egg-shaped at top for ergonomic grip
- Bars flare out by 6 degrees at drops
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Excellent bars!
I've had this bar for a year now. I love the width and ergonomics - perfect for century rides, where switching up hand positions helps stave off fatigue. I'll be putting this on any future new Grand Touring distance bikes !
These bars came with clear plastic tubes...
These bars came with clear plastic tubes running through the cable guides in the bars. Are these tubes to be used in any way in the installation of cables or are they there to visually demonstrate that cables should be routed through?
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Those tubes are guides for the cables. I would thread the cable through the guide tube, then remove the tube, and then run the housing over the cable.
Round vs Ergo Bars
- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I don't know why Competitive Cyclist starts every description of ergo bars with "we don't hide our preference for shallow, non-atomic bars."
The reason bars were round in the past was because they made them by bending the metal around a round pipe. It wasn't because the round shape was more comfortable or better designed or anything.
Ergo bars provide a far more comfortable position while riding in the hoods. An increasing number of people find it a better design.
Jesse L.
Bought these for my cat 4 fianc?
- Familiarity: I gave it as a gift but have feedback to share
She loves them. I just hope she wins all her races after spending so much on them. No pro deals here. Great set of bars though. Now I need a pair
3T Ergonova Limited Handlebar
These are pricey but sweet. Very nice channel for the cables and a good fit for the hands when riding on the bars. Drops are very comfortable and feel strong. Superlight and look great.
I highly recommend these if you like quality.
BTW RealCyclist came through big time. I had been waiting for these since November. And they shipped them overnight. Awesome customer service!!
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The Middle East
What should be done about Jerusalem? It's sacred to so many different people, and the issue needs to be resolved before we have a Nuclear Crusade on our hands. What is your standing on the importance of religious values? Which religion is more valuable? Who gets Jerusalem? Why?
Jul 13 2012: Paul, This question is rift with emotional, political, you name it problems. First you must go back in history to the 1947 resolution that gave the land to the Jews. The logic was, in my opinion, valid. There is no other group that has suffered the attempt to obliterate them to the extent of the Jews. This is a jahad, religious war, that is steeped in hate. Your concern of nuclear actions are directly infered by Iran that publicly states that Jews and non-believers must die.
A discussion on the value of relious beliefs, which is more valuable, what is written, will not resolve anything as the countries involved have already established hard lines.
The state of Isreal exists and is recognized by most of the world. Why should anything "be done" about Jerusalem?
What are you looking for in this conversation? Is this really an "IDEA WORTH SPREADING".
Jul 13 2012: Interesting point. I'm mainly focused here on the fighting over such areas as the Dome of the Rock, which has religious significance for Christians, Jews, and Muslims. I personally enjoy a good argument, and hope that this debate does create emotional, political, and religious tension. The mention of nuclear weapons might have been a mistake. I do not mean to come across as a radical who believes that we are all doomed to nuclear war. I'm asking if people believe the religious conflicts in Israel will lead to another Crusade that might wind up involving nuclear weapons, and if not, why? What is your opinion on the importance of sacred sites to all religions, and who do you think should win the religious debate. It's more than asking what religion you believe in. Statements like the one from Iran definitely prompt the idea of holy global war. With religious values so rigid, we are on the verge of organizations of radicals starting a fight nobody can stop. I'm questioning your opinion on the three big monotheistic religions and what can be done to still the water before another crusade is started by somebody in the age of nuclear weapons.
Jul 14 2012: As a visitor I was amazed to see that the Christians, Jews, and Muslims have a schedule for maintenance and visitation that allows each to enter independently.
As long as radicals from any side are involved the issues will not be put to rest. From my view the Christians and the Jews seemed to play well together. But that could be on the surface as I was only there a short time. The Palistians and the Muslim community do not accept the Jews and wish them either gone or dead. They do nor accept Christians as they are non-believers and also must die. There is no love lost in that issue. I felt very uncomfortable in a place where love and peace should dwell.
I also enjoy a good debate... however ... I was always taught to avoid arguments involving religion and politics as there can never be a agreement. With that said I will depart this conversation as I cannot see a end to the "argument" and feelings will be hurt.
Jul 14 2012: Sorry to see you go bob. I created this discussion to create a place where people could voice their different opinions about this subject. I actually have encountered very few people who do not share your reserves of politeness when it comes to religion and politics (especially when the two are intertwined). So, I have not had much experience from other's POV, so i feel that I cannot form a proper opinion on this matter. This is not a place to attack and argue, but to propose different POVs for other intellectuals to consider.Jul 14 2012: I disagree re 1947 splitting the land in two. Why not give half of New York to the Jews instead. What gives the UN security council the right to decide what happens to Palestine. Power. There is nothing right about what happened then. The correct response should have been reducing Christian intolerance and persecution of the Jews going back to when the Holy Roman empire kicked them out of the Levant.
A Western/Eastern Christian human rights failure should not have been addressed as it was.
The idea of a religious state is abhorrent to me.
But we are where we are now.
Who else has suffered. Maybe the Canaanites or other original inhabitants of the Levant that were obliterated by the Jews if you believe the bible.
What about the Kurds. The Armenians.
What about the Carthaginians obliterated by the Romans.
Or so many indigenous peoples overrun by Western Powers. Native Americans.
The industrial murder of Jews, slavs, gypsies, homosexuals etc is horrific. But many have suffered, some have disappeared. Many peoples are dispossessed of a land to call their own. The killing fields of Cambodia. Sending Irish prisoners to the gulag of Australia.
Millions killed under British rule. The European take over of North America at the expense of the indigenous peoples.
Jul 14 2012: Interesting points. But this is mainly focused on the importance of Jerusalem and Israel to different religions who all have a rightful claim to it and what YOU think the outcome should be to the fight for the Holy Land.
Jul 14 2012: I guess don't think any religion has a claim to land or a city. People might. But not a religion.
I don't consider it the Holy land.
It's just more blood soaked land, with religions firing up tribalism.
The old books don't make it theirs. But the old books effect what people believe.
It is a very good question how do you determine who controls a piece of land.
I note the US South tried a 2 state solution but the North didn't agree.
I think one secular state for both peoples perhaps, but unlikely to happen. In the end the Jews have the muscle and they will probably make Jerusalem theirs over time.Jul 15 2012: In Reply to the above >>> comment,
I just used religion as a word to mean the people who follow that religion.
And whether or not you believe in the Holiness of the land, the name of that geographical location is The Holy Land. The name literally comes with the territory. What do you think the solution will be Obey?
Jul 15 2012: Suggest it is the middle East or the Levant or Israel or Palestine.
It is important to some cultures and religious groups..
Man made religious beliefs and don't make anything holy unless you you believe in divine power. I don't.
Religion just reinforces the tribalism and brings in absolute and fundamentalist beliefs.
You/others can call it Holy if you like. I choose not to attribute more to it then there is. I prefer more precise language with less superstitious baggage.
Also Its not holy to Asia, Pacific, Amercias, Africa etc pre European/Christian and Muslim colonisation/Conquest. Not sacred to me..
There are more religions than the Abrahamic traditions. And also some of us with no religion.
What is your desired outcome? How do you want to see the issue resolved? Then you can suggest a roadmap.
RE: What is your standing on the importance of religious values? I prefer 21st century secular human values and human rights. Not those based on old books and backwards cultural traditions.
RE: Which religion is more valuable? None to me. Equal for the believers of each I guess.
Who gets Jerusalem? Usually the strongest, or those with the strongest friends get the land.
The British stuffed it up for the Palestinians after kicking out the Ottomans. Go back to 1918 and the Jew had no rights to the land.
You know some Israelis and Palestinians may not believe in gods or goddesses. To label every one according to a religion is making the problem binary. There are many different sects of people with Jewish ancestor. They are not monolithic in their views. Same for people from so called Muslim or Christian counties. Binary thinking is perhaps part of the problemJul 16 2012: Im not labeling people based on their beliefs, nor am I imposing any belief on you. The fact is that there are large groups of people out there who do believe, and those are the people I'm focusing on. What I'm asking for here is not who will "get" Jerusalem based on politics, but who YOU think deserves it based on ethics and philosophy. I'm not a deeply religious person myself, Obey. But I feel like you're avoiding actually answering the question I'm asking and instead denying everything and talking about humanistic ideas. That's fine, but not what this thread is about. I'd appreciate a straight answer to come from one of the most interesting minds I've seen so far on this forum. From your comment "some of US with no religion" I'm guessing that you are an atheist. That's fine. I'm not asking you to pick a religion. I'm asking you to look at the religious backgrounds of the people, and make your decision based on what THEY believe, not you. Think of what religion means to them, and think of how the dispute could be resolved with the least loss on all sides. And the big three Monotheistic Religions (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism) are the ones that have claim to Jerusalem on Holy terms, so they ARE the ones that we need to focus on. Superstitious baggage? So many wars have been fought (actual wars and just private disagreements) over religion. The world isn't going to forget religion, regardless of what you or I believe and say on this thread. So, drop the atheistic force-field and please, answer my question with as much empathy as you can muster. Otherwise, you might be as close-minded and brainwashed as those religious fools who believe in "divinity," just opinionated differently. I'm asking EVERYONE to be open-minded and look at the values of all parties involved. Stop picking apart and re-arranging the question to fit the answer you already had in your head. Answer MY question, I'm eager to hear what you have to say.
Jul 16 2012: I'll try.
In 1850 85% Muslim. 11% Christian, 4% Jewish. It wasn't Jewish. It wasn't Christian.
1918 when the Ottomans were replaced by the British, still a great majority Muslim.
To say that Christians and Jews had a serious claim to the land for most of the last 1,000 years is frankly ridiculous in my view. It's such a bible Judeo Christian centred view and ignores so much of the history of the place.
The Jewish peoples only controlled that land for a small % of the last 4000 years. The religious view distorts history in my view.
At some stage the population demographics equalled out and now those of Jewish heritage are the majority. So we are where we are. However I suggest the claims of the Palestinians have more validity to be considered given the history of the last 1000 years, compared to going back 2700 years to when the Jewish people ruled.
So going back before70 years for over a 1,000 years people of Muslim descent had a major claim.
I don't think Christians have any claim to the land. The Jews have the numbers now, but the Muslims are a sizable minority and have been poorly treated by the Western Powers.
What values do 7 million Jews and 2.5 million Muslims have. I'm not going to generalise. Irrelevant to land claims like religion.
I just don't think religious beliefs have any place in deciding who is more entitled to govern some land. Its just not a valid criteria to me. Religious analysis is not going to solve the problem and is not valid to impartial assessment of right to govern or citizenship. This is the wrong path. I suggest it is not close minded to challenge assumptions lying behind a question.
Not the answer you were looking for, but I honestly tried.
Giving credence to any religious claims to this land is the making it worse.
My ideal is a secular state for all. 2 States is next best.
Imagine if the Palestinians had border control from WW1. It would be theirsJul 19 2012: THAT'S what I'm looking for! Obey I LOVE this response! Way to go man! Break down the situation and form your own opinion on who deserves it by examining the facts! Everyone look at the above comment and model your responses on that!
Tom Hall
Jul 17 2012: They have been fighting over the 'holy' land for thousands of years now. The only way the fighting will ever stop is if people can finally learn to accept that everyone has a right to believe what they want as long as they're not affecting anyone else negatively.
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Unfortunately, when you've had it drilled into your head by your parents from birth that your religion is right and the other is wrong, it's very hard to change your way of thinking. Neither religion is more correct/valuable than the other, and they need to learn that. Personally I see no reason why they can't learn to love one another and live in peace like their religions teach.
Jul 17 2012: People have been fighting over Europe for thousands of years too. Remember WW1, WW2, the Balkans.
Still fighting in lots of places.
I don't know if there was much fighting in the ancient Canaanite lands during the centuries of Ottoman rule leading up to WW1.
And WW1 had nothing to do with religion and the current struggles go back less than a century.
I guess there were centuries leading up to WW1 when the Jews did not fight the Muslims in the levant because they were a small minority before Zionist immigration over the last century or so.
But agree religion does not help, especially the fundamentalist Jews and Christians. Is it true some Christians are trying to bring about conditions for end times?
I'm not so sure how much of the Muslim reaction is just a reaction to their land being handed over to Jews, rather than full on religious. Plenty of other indignities inflicted by the West on the Middle East too.
I don't think most Americans would be too happy if the UN gave half the USA to Native Americans.
Aug 4 2012: Not half of it but we can give them the Dakotas :) after all Israel only got a fraction what the extent of Biblical Israel was.Jul 19 2012: Right. People have been fighting over the Holy Land for thousands of years. Who do you think should win? Who do you think will win? Why?
Jul 19 2012: I think they should share it, whoever is there now.
Go back 100 to 500 years and the Palestinians should have control
The Brits should have let them form their own nation and self govern in 1918.They should have been given the right to govern who comes into their land like everyone else.
The Jews seem to be winning. Why, they are more powerful..
Human history until very recently has been the strong doing what they want. Still is, but what they want is tempered by enlightenment human rights etc.Jul 23 2012: RE: "Easy Edward"-- What "attack" is there in my comment? I merely pointed-out the Logic Law which says one cannot prove a negative. No attack there. That was done as a defense of my argument, not an attack on EG. The only other point I made is an acknowledgement of EG's right to refuse to believe my opinion (which many people exercise). No attack there. Your attempts to moderate the conversation are, in this case, heavy-handed and inappropriate. Please allow respondents to freely exchange opinions without your supervision. As to answering your question: "What needs to be done about Jerusalem?" my answer remains as stated in my initial response.
Jul 19 2012: "What is your standing on the importance of religious values?" I don't think they give a damn on our standing on religious values , so the first thing that should be done about Jerusalem is to stop thinking they give a damn on our standing .
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Amen! EG, Amen! With man it is impossible and so the conflict will continue without interruption until the old passes away and the new is established. Thank you!
Jul 24 2012: Thank you too .Jul 14 2012: How about a combined secular state joining Palestine and Israel and share Jerusalem.
Jul 14 2012: Interesting. Would the Jews and Muslims both go for it do you think?
Jul 14 2012: Agree ideally you'd have the majority of both on board. I note they didn't when they created 2 states n 47 or 48.Jul 14 2012: Is an idea that may end up with the complet leveling of Jerusalem. Then again if it worked you'd be the toast of the town several of them I think.
Jul 19 2012: How many Jews and Muslims does it take to change a lightbulb?
Just enough that want to change
Jul 19 2012: It only takes a few to start a change or a movement. Countrys and wars have been started by a few.
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Jul 13 2012: Hi Paul.
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The future of the Middle East is pretty well laid out in the bible. The whole history of the Jews is there, from beginning to end. Seems on target so far, & the end is not pretty. I know the very fact that it's in the bible is a major problem for many, but I don't think future events are written about anywhere else.
Jul 13 2012: Future possibilites, my friend. And I'm wondering what people think can be done to resolve the Middle East Crisis, not what they think will happen to Jerusalem itself in the future.Aug 4 2012: I personally think that areas that are that influential and that have that much history should become international territory. Basically the secretary general of the united nations would act as the mayor of all of these places his role would be to keep the peace and to preserve the rich history of places like Jerusalem.Jul 24 2012: My intention is not to offend but Jerusalem should be a place to visit and not to live.Jul 23 2012: What should be done about Jerusalem? It should be replaced with a new one just as the Holy Bible says it will be in Chapter 21 of the book of Revelation.
Jul 23 2012: Hi Edward:
Just that what you said is impossible .
Jul 23 2012: Oh please, EG, you know you cannot prove a negative. You may choose to not accept it as truth, but you cannot prove it to be untrue. Before 1948 you might well have said the existence of a sovereign nation called Israel is impossible. With God, nothing is impossible. Thank you!
Jul 23 2012: Easy Edward. This thread is about the ownership of Jerusalem, not attacking people who don't share your beliefs, or stating your religious beliefs. EG, I hope in the future, you will remind people of the topic at hand like I just have, because your comment was a little offensive as well. And an example of things in the bible that seem impossible but could have happened, Moses parting the red sea. Scientists have looked at core samples that show an earthquake of magnificent scale occued around that period of history. That earthquake could have created a land bridge. The bible is just words. The traditional visualizations aren't necessarily true to the letter. Edward is right, you can't prove a negative statement on a positive statement that has just as much trouble being proven. Religion of the individual aside, both of you please answer the question.Jul 23 2012: I agree with you , Edward but for us it is still impossible (lol).
Paul :
The comments can be offensive and on topic at the same time , I think mine was and Edward's too , actually .
Did the scientist prove that ? Or is just bullshit from internet ?Jul 20 2012: I don't understand why the U.S. is still keeping troops over there. Osama is dead which has basically panicked if not completely finished off the Taliban. The way I see it, if the countries over there are dumb enough to kill each other, let them. Save American lives and tax dollars.Jul 16 2012: As much as I know, christians were going to jerusalem to become a pligrim, but they started to come here -Turkey/Izmir- to become a pligrim before a little time esthablishing of israel.Why?I think jewishes want jerusalem.The best and easiest way of getting jarusalem individually is "making christians and muslims enemy for eachother" via media or other methods.(just an opinion)Jul 13 2012: I place no value on religion and its so called values change like season. Now the big question who gets it the winner as always. Who ever wins the next big argument between x and y will get it. I could say more about how I feel but it tends to offend many so we will leave it here.
Jul 13 2012: This debate is meant purely to express full opinions. Please don't worry about offending people. The whole idea is for you to tell who you think should WIN this argument, and why.
Jul 14 2012: Thank you Paul. I believe we should butt the hell out of it. We didn't need to get involved in 1947and we damn sure don't now. The way I see it those fellers have been fighting amongest them selves for a long time. No matter what we do they will keep fightin and it is so inbeded in them it has become part.of there culture.
No good can come of us taking a side we will be hated by the other side. So it would be best that we back out. I woud also like to say you can really blame any country in the middle east wanting nucler wepons if one has it they all will want it. The biggest problem I see in that unlike the US and russia one of them crazy basterds will push the button. Which reminds me of that feller said the next war will be fought with sticks and stone. Now I must step away something is interfering
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Jul 14 2012: sorry to see you go. I agree that the settling of the argument is none of our business, but it's a great big puzzle, and finding the answer is a great brain exercise.Jul 15 2012: That feller was Albert Einstein.
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Jul 17 2012: I agree with Dean. accept with the fact "one of those crazy bastards will push the button" If you remember from history class, so far (and hopefully forever) the US has been the only one crazy enough to push the button.Jul 20 2012: Come on, don't just criticize America for it. At that time, we had no clue of the true dangers of the atomic bomb. Besides, I would rather save American troops rather than Japanese civilians.Jul 13 2012: No religion is any better or worse than all others........that's my feeling.
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The current Jerusalem issue was created in 1947......nothing religious around it....but all politics, power politics, bad politics........Jul 13 2012: The obvious solution is to make Jerusalem a UN protectorate permanently. I doubt very much that any of the parties involved will agree to this. Perhaps a nonviolent children's crusade, with children from all the parties involved, could take control of the city and shame the adults into accepting a solution that none of them are prepared to accept.
If they could find a resolution to Jerusalem, they might see that it is possible to resolve the other issues as well.
Jul 14 2012: Children? I'm literally talking about the wars fought at the end of the dark ages. And interesting thought about the UN. However, unless all countries that have a legitimate claim to Jerusalem were in the UN, it would not be fair. It seems like that solution would contribute to the idea of the corruption of the UN, as well. They would be getting in bed with religious values. The entire UN would have to support one religion over another, making the idea of impartiality vanish from those who were not benefitted. Religion is one thing that cannot be a priority of a global organization.
Jul 14 2012: The UN would not get involved in religion at all. The UN would treat Jerusalem as it does other protectorates, as a secular political entity. Access to Jerusalem would be controlled according to the same security protocols as other protectorates, ignoring religion.
How could more than one country have a 'legitimate' claim to Jerusalem? To me, the important question is, what can be done about Jerusalem that will stop the violence?
Jul 15 2012: I'm not talking about countries having claims to Jerusalem, I'm talking about whole religions. And if Jerusalem was a protectorate of the UN, I think that it would offend everybody. The sacred land that you believe to be rightfully yours has been taken away from you and you are no longer allowed to enter without going through the same procedures as those Heretics that want your Holy Land. The kind of people that fight for Jerusalem would think that way, and the UN getting involved like that would just anger them more.


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Vern wrote:Mr. TD (or anyone that knows the facts),
Which Tee Pad will be used for #2 at Lenora?
We could also use a wheel barrow and shovel to move some of the mulch from hole 8 to places that need it like in front of the 2 teepad.
Please bring a stick with a nail on the end or gloves to pickup trash with.
Event Schedule
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That should slow the field down enough to be in sync with the rest of the ams.Laserman wrote:So I put the Advanced Maters and Advanced Grandmasters with the Pros to allow more Ams to play.
Funky Bobby J wrote:I know what the first post says, but there still seems to be a little confusion - not sure why. All geezers (AM and otherwise play at the same course as the pros correct? And THAT pool is not yet full - ET was asking asn he was told that the AM pool was full... Can you just clear this up a bit for us older fuzzy-headed folks?
What is Skelator doing playing ADV?
Sweeney wrote:What is Skelator doing playing ADV?
All jokes aside, I was looking at past Hotlanta scores and noticed his last rating was 964, and he has accepted cash before since he won Fire Ant last year.
Isn't there PDGA rules about Pro's over 955?
Or since he isn't a current member does it not matter?
grease wrote:Do you think there will be anyone available to act as security in the parking lot at Redan this weekend? That would be cool if someone had a friend that could keep lookout. Or, maybe a non-playing official.
Clunck wrote:Saturday:Sunday:
Partly to mostly pars with an occasional birdie/bogie as the rounds heat up.
Laserman wrote:
I would also like to announce that it takes 3 players to make a division.
There are currently only 1 MJ2 and 2 MG1's. If this situation remains the same on Saturday morning, the MJ2 will merge into the MJ1 division and the MG1's will merge into the MM1 division.
Laserman wrote:I hope everybody had a great time at HOTLANTA this year. Congratulations to all of the winners and others who cashed.
The volunteer spirit of the disc golf community is incredible and we couldn?t have tournaments like HOTLANTA without the help of a lot of people. Again I would like to thank the sponsors, CTP contributors, the hardworking staff and especially my two assistant TD?s, Scott Prandy and Jay Voss.
Laserman wrote:Wow,
Are those FINAL round ratings or just early numbers subject to revision?
Laserman wrote:Ed,
Small divisions are always hard to handle as are last minute division changes.
....a notation on the tourney flyer stating a player minimum for a division
might solve this in the future.
The PDGA Competition manual states:
?Tournament Directors may offer divisions with less than four players at their discretion.?
...hence the 2-player pro grandmaster division. i understand.
I posted the following early Thursday afternoon:
?I would also like to announce that it takes 3 players to make a division.
There are currently only 1 MJ2 and 2 MG1's. If this situation remains the same on Saturday morning, the MJ2 will merge into the MJ1 division and the MG1's will merge into the MM1 division.?
...i read it about 8:30pm, right after checking the PDGA Hotlanta Tour player listing and noting a formerly adv. gm registrant had moved to adv. master. it was my misunderstanding that any other division affected by this type of action would also become subject to this announcement.
Did you want to play in a division of two players or did you want to play Pro Grandmaster? If you did, you should have approached me sometime prior to the tournament after my post on Thursday.
...after the TD announces that it takes 3 players to make a division, why would i approach the TD ask for a division of 2? the TD has spoken.
...as to playing pro, you said it best (lol):
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Posted: Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:19 pm Post subject: et
Suggesting that ET play Pro!
I hope there are no hard feelings over this.
...lawdy, no! you were the TD and made the tough decisions that were in the overall best interest of the tourney.
I challenge all of you to volunteer for an event and help out. It really is quite amazing when you get to see the "behind the scenes" side of a tourney, and it gives you a greater appriciation of how hard people work to make these events happen.
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Cytochrome P450 1A2 Genotype
Clinical Information Discusses physiology, pathophysiology, and general clinical aspects, as they relate to a laboratory test
Primary metabolism of many drugs is performed by cytochrome P450 (CYP), a group of oxidative/dealkylating enzymes localized in the microsomes of many tissues including the intestines and liver. One of these CYP enzymes, CYP1A2, is wholly or partially responsible for the hydroxylation or dealkylation of many commonly prescribed drugs (see above). The current clinical application of this test is focused on the impact of allelic variation on antidepressant and antipsychotic metabolism.
CYP1A2-mediated drug metabolism is highly variable. CYP1A2*1A is the wildtype or normal allele. Some individuals have altered CYP1A2 gene sequences that result in synthesis defective enzyme. These individuals metabolize CYP1A2 substrates poorly. Changes in the promoter impacting gene induction of the CYP1A2 gene has been observed, which results in either an increase or decrease of overall metabolic activity. Dosing of drugs that are metabolized through CYP1A2 may require adjustment based on the individual patient's genotype. Patients who are poor metabolizers may require lower than usual doses to achieve optimal response. Patients who are ultrarapid metabolizers may benefit from increased doses. Patients with either ultrarapid or poor metabolism also may benefit by conversion to other comparable drugs that are not primarily metabolized by CYP1A2.
A number of specific polymorphisms have been found in the CYP1A2 gene that results in enzymatic deficiencies. The frequency of these polymorphisms varies within the major ethnic groups.
All of the identified polymorphisms associated with CYP1A2 are autosomal recessive. Consequently, only individuals who are homozygous or compound heterozygous for these polymorphisms are poor metabolizers. Individuals who are heterozygous, with 1 normal gene and 1 defective polymorphic gene, will have metabolism intermediate between the extensive (normal) and poor metabolizers.
The following information outlines the relationship between the polymorphisms detected in this assay and the effect on the activity of the enzyme produced by that allele:
Nucleotide Change
Lower inducibility in Asians but increased inducibility in Northern Europeans
-2467T->del T
Increased inducibility
Decreased activity and decreased inducibility
Increased inducibility
Greatly reduced activity
Greatly reduced activity
Decreased activity
Greatly reduced activity
Decreased activity
Decreased activity
No activity
Greatly reduced activity
Decreased activity
*Effect of a specific polymorphism on the activity of the CYP1A2 enzyme can only be estimated since the literature does not provide precise data.
A complicating factor in correlating CYP1A2 genotype with phenotype is that some drugs or their metabolites are inhibitors of CYP1A2 catalytic activity. These drugs may reduce CYP1A2 catalytic activity. Consequently, an individual may require a dosing decrease greater than predicted based upon genotype alone. Another complicating factor is that the CYP1A2 gene is inducible by several drugs and environmental agents (eg, cigarette smoke) and the degree of inducibility is under genetic control. It is important to interpret the results of testing in the context of other coadministered drugs and environmental factors.
Useful For Suggests clinical disorders or settings where the test may be helpful
Identifying patients who are poor, intermediate, extensive, or ultrarapid metabolizers of drugs metabolized by CYP1A2
Adjusting dosages for drugs that are metabolized by CYP1A2
Interpretation Provides information to assist in interpretation of the test results
An interpretive report will be provided that includes assay information, genotype, and an interpretation indicating whether results are consistent with a poor, intermediate, extensive, or ultra-rapid metabolizer phenotype. The report will list drugs known to affect metabolism by CYP1A2. Direct polymorphism analysis for -3860G->A, -2467T->del T, -729C->T, -163C->A, 125C->G, 558C->A, 2385G->A, 2473G->A, 2499A->T, 3497G->A, 3533G->A, 5090C->T, or 5166G->A is performed following PCR amplification. Direct DNA testing will not detect all the known mutations that result in decreased or inactive CYP1A2 alleles. This assay does not test for some known polymorphisms because those polymorphisms have not been associated with alterations in enzymatic activity. Rare or undescribed variants may not have been found during validation but will be sequence verified upon detection. See http:///www.cypalleles.ki.se/cyp1a2.html for a full description of CYP1A2 alleles. Absence of a detectable gene mutation or polymorphism does not rule out the possibility that a patient has a metabolizer status other than predicted above. The frequency of polymorphisms causing poor metabolism has not been fully characterized in various ethnic groups. Patients with an ultrarapid, extensive, or intermediate genotype may have CYP1A2 enzyme activity inhibited or induced by a variety of substances, medications, or their metabolites. The following is a listing of substances known to affect CYP1A2 activity as the date of this report.
Drugs and substances known to increase (induce) CYP1A2 activity include: Broccoli, brussel sprouts, char-grilled meat, insulin, methylcholanthrene, modafinil, nafcillin, beta-naphthoflavone, omeprazole, and tobacco
Coadministration will increase the rate of metabolism of CYP1A2 metabolized drugs and may change the effectiveness of the drug.
Drugs and substances known to decrease CYP1A2 activity include: Amiodarone, cimetidine, ciprofloxacin, fluoroquinolones, fluvoxamine, furafylline, interferon, methoxsalen, and mibefradil
Coadministration will decrease the rate of metabolism of CYP1A2 metabolized drugs, increasing the possibility of toxicity.
Drugs and substances that undergo metabolism by CYP1A2 include: Acetaminophen, amitriptyline, caffeine, clomipramine, clozapine, cyclobenzaprine, estradiol, fluvoxamine, haloperidol, imipramine, mexiletine, naproxen, olanzapine, ondansetron, phenacetin, propranolol, riluzole, ropivacaine, tacrine, theophylline, tizanidine, verapamil, (R)warfarin, zileuton, and zolmitriptan
Coadministration may decrease the rate of elimination of other drugs metabolized by CYP1A2.
Drug-drug interactions and drug/metabolite inhibition or induction must be considered when dealing with heterozygous individuals. Drug/metabolite inhibition occurs with the drugs noted above resulting in inhibition of residual functional CYP1A2 catalytic activity. Drug/metabolite induction occurs with the drugs noted above resulting in variable increase in CYP1A2 enzyme function. This inducibility is under genetic control and this is further varies per ethnicity. Each report will include a list of commonly prescribed drugs that are known to alter CYP1A2 activity. This list includes only those drugs for which established, peer-reviewed literature substantiates the effect. The list provided may not be all-inclusive.
CYP1A2 activity also is dependent upon hepatic and renal function status, as well as age. Patients also may develop toxicity if hepatic or renal function is decreased. Drug metabolism also is known to decrease with age. It is important to interpret the results of testing and dose adjustments in the context of hepatic and renal function and age.
Cautions Discusses conditions that may cause diagnostic confusion, including improper specimen collection and handling, inappropriate test selection, and interfering substances
Patients who have received a heterologous blood transfusion within the preceding 6 weeks, or who have received an allogeneic blood or marrow transplant, can have inaccurate genetic test results due to presence of donor DNA.
CYP1A2 genetic test results in patients who have undergone liver transplantation may not accurately reflect the patient's CYP1A2 status.
Direct DNA testing will not detect all the known mutations that result in decreased or inactive CYP1A2. Absence of a detectable gene mutation or polymorphism does not rule out the possibility that a patient has an intermediate or poor metabolizer phenotype.
This test does not detect polymorphisms other than those listed. Other polymorphisms in the primer binding regions can affect the testing, and ultimately, the genotyping assessments made.
Patients with an extensive or intermediate metabolizer genotype may have CYP1A2 enzyme activity inhibited by a variety of medications or their metabolites as described previously. Treatment with drugs that are inhibitors of CYP1A2, or produce inhibitors through metabolism, may generate a poor metabolizer phenotype in an individual who has an ultrarapid, extensive, or intermediate metabolizer genotype.
The drug application that we currently support for testing and interpretation is for the treatment of psychiatric disorders.
Reference Values Describes reference intervals and additional information for interpretation of test results. May include intervals based on age and sex when appropriate. Intervals are Mayo-derived, unless otherwise designated. If an interpretive report is provided, the reference value field will state this.
An interpretive report will be provided.
Clinical References Provides recommendations for further in-depth reading of a clinical nature
1. Shirley KL, Hon YY, Penzak SR, et al: Correlation of cytochrome P450 (CYP) 1A2 activity using caffeine phenotyping and olanzapine disposition in healthy volunteers. Neuropsychopharmacology 2003;28(5):961-966
2. Shimoda K, Someya T, Morita S, et al: Lack of impact of CYP1A2 genetic polymorphism (C/A polymorphism at position 734 in intron 1 and G/A polymorphism at position -2964 in the 5'-flanking region of CYP1A2) on the plasma concentration of haloperidol in smoking male Japanese with schizophrenia. Prog Neuropsychopharmacol Biol Psychiatry 2002;26(2):261-265
3. Obase Y, Shimoda T, Kawano T, et al: Polymorphisms in the CYP1A2 gene and theophylline metabolism in patients with asthma. Clin Pharmacol Ther 2003;73(5):468-474
4. Cornelis MC, El-Sohemy A, Kabagambe EK, et al: CYP1A2 genotype, and risk of myocardial infarction. JAMA 2006 Aug 16;296(7):764-765


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Men's Tennis in HEB Tournament This Weekend
Thursday, March 07, 2002Johnson City, Tenn. (March 7, 2002) -East Tennessee State's men's tennis team heads to Corpus Christi, Texas to compete in the H.E.B Championships being held from Friday, March 8th through Sunday, March 10th at the H.E.B Tennis Center and the Corpus Christi Country Club. The Buccaneers will face the Texas Tech Red Raiders tomorrow at 8:30 am at the Corpus Christi Country Club in the first round of the tournament. ETSU is 3-2 overall this season. The Bucs' two losses came to # 12 Tennessee and # 35 Wake Forest while defeating # 70 Memphis. ETSU sophomore Diego Iglesias (Mar del Plata, Argentina) is currently on a roll for the Bucs with a 4-1 singles record with his lone loss being to Mike Murray of Wake Forest. Texas Tech is 4-3 on the season. All three losses by the Red Raiders were to nationally ranked teams. The Raiders are bringing with them 59th-ranked junior Royce Ramey, who is 8-3 this season in singles action. Nationally ranked programs in the tournament include Middle Tennessee State (# 21), Boise State (# 66), Louisville (# 69) and Memphis (# 70).


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16 U.S. Code § 576b - Purchasers of national-forest timber; deposits of money in addition to payments for timber; use of deposits; seedlings and young trees for burned-over areas in national parks
(a) The Secretary of Agriculture may, when in his or her judgment such action will be in the public interest, require any purchaser of national-forest timber to make deposits of money in addition to the payments for the timber, to cover the cost to the United States of
(3) cutting, destroying, or otherwise removing undesirable trees or other growth, on the national-forest land cut over by the purchaser, in order to improve the future stand of timber,
(4) protecting and improving the future productivity of the renewable resources of the forest land on such sale area, including sale area improvement operations, maintenance and construction, reforestation and wildlife habitat management, or
(5) watershed restoration, wildlife habitat improvement, control of insects, disease and noxious weeds, community protection activities, and the maintenance of forest roads, within the Forest Service region in which the timber sale occurred: Provided, That such activities may be performed through the use of contracts, forest product sales, and cooperative agreements. Such deposits shall be covered into the Treasury and shall constitute a special fund, which is appropriated and made available until expended, to cover the cost to the United States of such tree planting, seed sowing, and forest improvement work, as the Secretary of Agriculture may direct. The Secretary of Agriculture is authorized, upon application of the Secretary of the Interior, to furnish seedlings and/or young trees for replanting of burned-over areas in any national park.
(c) [1] Any portion of the balance at the end of a fiscal year in the special fund established pursuant to this section that the Secretary of Agriculture determines to be in excess of the cost of doing work described in subsection (a) of this section (as well as any portion of the balance in the special fund that the Secretary determined, before October 1, 2004, to be excess of the cost of doing work described in subsection (a) of this section, but which has not been transferred by that date) shall be transferred to miscellaneous receipts, National Forest Fund, as a National Forest receipt, but only if the Secretary also determines that—
(1) the excess amounts will not be needed for emergency wildfire suppression during the fiscal year in which the transfer would be made; and
[1] See 2004 Amendment notes below.
Source(June 9, 1930, ch. 416, § 3,46 Stat. 527; Pub. L. 94–588, § 18,Oct. 22, 1976, 90 Stat. 2962; Pub. L. 108–447, div. E, title III, § 318,Dec. 8, 2004, 118 Stat. 3096; Pub. L. 109–54, title IV, § 412,Aug. 2, 2005, 119 Stat. 551.)
2005—Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 109–54added cl. (5).
2004—Pub. L. 108–447, § 318(1), which directed the amendment of this section "by striking 'The Secretary of Agriculture may, when in his' and inserting '(a) The Secretary of Agriculture may, when in his or her';
'(b) Amounts deposited under subsection (a) of this section' ",was partially executed by designating existing text as subsec. (a) and substituting "The Secretary of Agriculture may, when in his or her" for "The Secretary of Agriculture may, when in his". However, the provisions relating to subsec. (b) were not inserted, because of missing directory language.
Subsec. (a). Pub. L. 108–447, § 318(2), substituted "may direct. The Secretary of Agriculture" for "may direct: Provided, That any portion of any deposit found to be in excess of the cost of doing said work shall, upon the determination that it is so in excess, be transferred to miscellaneous receipts, forest reserve fund, as a national-forest receipt of the fiscal year in which such transfer is made: Provided further, That the Secretary of Agriculture".
Subsec. (c). Pub. L. 108–447, § 318(3), added subsec. (c).
1976—Pub. L. 94–588struck out "or" before "(3)" and substituted ", or (4) protecting and improving the future productivity of the renewable resources of the forest land on such sale area, including sale area improvement operations, maintenance and construction, reforestation and wildlife habitat management" for ": Provided, That the total amount so required to be deposited by any purchaser shall not exceed, on an acreage basis, the average cost of planting (including the production or purchase of young trees) other comparable national-forest lands during the previous three years".
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