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User talk:Michig
|This user is busy in real life and may not respond swiftly to queries.
|If you are here to ask why I deleted an article or to request undeletion, please first read Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Notability, and if you still don't understand why the article was deleted leave a message at the end of the page, and I will deal with it when I have a chance. If you email me instead calling me names, making silly accusations, or making misguided legal threats I will very likely ignore you.
- 1 The Specials and ska music
- 2 Kiitra language
- 3 Misuse of warning templates
- 4 Photo removal
- 5 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Journal of Basic and Clinical Pharmacy
- 6 A kitten for you!
- 7 Thank you.
- 8 Redo of redirected page?
- 9 Talkback
- 10 Proposed deletion of Screaming Dead
- 11 Wgolf and prods
- 12 Okay sorry about the number of deletions
- 13 NWF Heavyweight Championship
- 14 Music is boring
- 15 Nigel Boocock
- 16 Please help
- 17 Claude Bessy (singer)
- 18 PROD of Palem Srikanth Reddy
- 19 Palem Srikanth Reddy
- 20 Please help
- 21 I have been changing some of the prods I put up for albums into redirects
- 22 Love Comes to an End
- 23 Deletion of Jason Maek
- 24 These Riddim Driven albums
- 25 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chloé (Belgian singer)
- 26 Deprod of Forever Oeuvre
- 27 Per W. Undelete
- 28 FAC input
- 29 Lewis Italiano
- 30 Seth Davis Drumming
- 31 Impersonation
- 32 About Sumit jain CEO and Co-Founder of commonfloor.com.
- 33 Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Persistent_addition_of_uncited_material_by_User:HoldenV8
- 34 This Et Al
- 35 Love you...
- 36 wiki/Emily_Nashoba_Dykes
- 37 The Wikipedia Library needs you!
- 38 Precious again
- 39 Alex Masucci
- 41 Re: View AfD
- 42 Laura Dawn
- 43 Notability of towns and settlements
- 44 Joan Caballero and Stanislav Danko
- 45 Urgent Help
- 46 Rustic (Game) deleted for no reason?
- 47 The Signpost: 02 September 2015
- 48 Thank you
- 49 The Signpost: 09 September 2015
- 50 Deletion of Article/Carmine Miranda
- 51 emperor
- 52 The Signpost: 16 September 2015
- 53 Let Them Eat Bingo
- 54 The Signpost: 23 September 2015
- 55 Deletion of Article/Donncha O'Cearbhaill
- 56 The Signpost: 30 September 2015
The Specials and ska music[edit]
Hello Michig – I'm absolutely baffled by your reversion and reasoning, to be honest. Both the links call the Specials a ska band, that's exactly why I used them. The Specials own official website describes them as a ska band. They have ALWAYS been known as a ska band in the UK, and NEVER as a reggae band. What is your reasoning for calling them reggae? Richard3120 (talk) 18:09, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- The Specials played a mixture of ska and (early) reggae songs, and 2-tone was never pure ska. While they are primarily regarded as a ska band by some that doesn't automatically mean that every track they recorded is a ska track. "Ghost Town" has none of the characteristics of ska and is clearly their attempt at playing reggae as the article explains. I am not calling *them* a reggae band, but "Ghost Town" is (mainly) a reggae track. The third album released under the name Special AKA doesn't have a single ska track on it, but a lot of people still call them a ska band. --Michig (talk) 18:21, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your explanation. You are right, In the Studio contains no ska and indeed not a great deal of reggae either a lot of the time. I would certainly not argue with anyone who wanted to add punk, new wave or other genres to the Specials music - after all, "muzak" often crops up in descriptions of the second album, and they certainly weren't easy listening... This is why I tend to avoid getting involved in genre discussions! Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 18:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)
Kiitra language[edit]
Hello! You recently closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kiitra language as delete. I see that a brand new account (as in, their very first edit) has now posted on the AfD discussion's talk page. They appear to be asking for a restoration or maybe a userfication of the article; I'm not sure what they want, but they seem to be protesting the deletion. They really should have put their message here on your talk page, but I'll AGF that they really are a new account and didn't know how to deal. Up to you, how (or whether) you want to respond. Thanks. --MelanieN (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
Misuse of warning templates[edit]
Please do not add flippant warnings to my talk page. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 00:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- It was a perfectly appropriate warning and if you continue to edit war you will be blocked. Your choice. --Michig (talk) 08:04, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- No, it was not. I was not edit warring. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 10:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- You reverted the same edit three times in a content dispute. That's pretty much the definition of edit-warring. --Michig (talk) 11:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- I twice reverted unexplained removals of cited content by User:Murry1975. I then reverted an edit made by User:18.104.22.168, whose very first edit edit was to revert one of those, with their edits strangely being nearly universally changing the listed nationality of various boxers. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:21, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- You reverted the same edit three times in a content dispute. That's pretty much the definition of edit-warring. --Michig (talk) 11:15, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
- No, it was not. I was not edit warring. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 10:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Photo removal[edit]
Michig, we have recently been informed that you have changed a photo that we've upload with permissions yesterday on the page for Will Sergeant. Please remove the photo as the artist does not want that one on there. They requested to add the one that I did yesterday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonfly2015 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
- The photo you added was deleted as it didn't have the correct licensing. --Michig (talk) 07:38, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I was told it did. We will keep trying until we finally get the photo that you used off. No problem.
On Mar 18, 2015, at 5:59 AM, "Permissions - Wikimedia Commons" <firstname.lastname@example.com> wrote: "There's a problem. Can you kindly ask Mr. Will to change the license on the Flickr page to Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike 3.0/4.0 as per his wish? I am sending you the screenshot that points to the problem that exists. The Wikimedia Foundations deals strictly with copyright policy, and as you know a copyright violation case might cost some big numbers. I hope you understand."
As a follow up to the last email, here's the link: <https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Sergeant_with_an_Eastwood_Saturn_%2763.jpg> Yours sincerely, Dipankan Bandyopadhyay
You need not make further modifications onto the file page. The file, however may be used anywhere across any Wikimedia project. Thank you. I shall now close the case as successfully resolved. Thanks again.
Yours sincerely, Dipankan Bandyopadhyay
This photo needs to be added. The artist is not happy with the photo you used.
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Journal of Basic and Clinical Pharmacy[edit]
Hi, given that their was no opposition to deletion, I think you could have closed this as a "soft" delete. Could yoou perhaps have a second look? Thanks! --Randykitty (talk) 08:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- While PanchoS's arguments are not explicitly in favour of keeping, there are at least potential arguments there for keeping and in the absence of any other input I wouldn't feel happy with deleting. I think submitting a second AfD might be the best approach, perhaps leaving a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals to attract some input. --Michig (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
- It will have to wait then, because immediately renominating is generally not well-received... --Randykitty (talk) 09:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
A kitten for you![edit]
Hey, sorry about the hullabaloo around the MBV 'You Made Me Realise' edits. I *realise* you are a major contributor and I am just a minor editor, but one pet peeve I have with music articles is people piling on a record/artist page to list that their band has covered some song, it's almost always profiteering. Yes- Hendrix covering Dylan is notable, but the "covers" section of a modern music article is oftentimes an advertisement. I'm hoping you'll agree with me to some extent. I had this epiphany moment after listening to that EP for the 12,689th time and looked it up on wikipedia and was promptly annoyed that the article was besmirched with adverts. I personally didn't think any of those cover versions were properly notable, but I am a reasonable guy and am willing to discuss.
Kevimetal (talk) 02:23, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you.[edit]
Dear 'Michig',
I wanted to express my gratitude to you for your helpful intervention at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Live from Patrick Street. Regardless of the fate of my article, I will always appreciate your willingness to act in support of a fellow editor, as we all strive to improve our encyclopedia. Thank you once again for your thoughtful assistance.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.(talk) 10:17, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Redo of redirected page?[edit]
Is it okay to recreate the A$AP Yams redirect page for the ASAP Mob? Reply back with an answer. Please and thank you.
P.S.: I'm referring to Yams' moniker with a dollar sign. DBrown SPS 17:49, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Message added 23:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.
NORTH AMERICA1000 23:25, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Proposed deletion of Screaming Dead[edit]
The article Screaming Dead has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:
- Fails WP:NMUSIC
While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.
You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the
{{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.
Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing
{{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Mdann52 (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Wgolf and prods[edit]
I've been through a lot of the stuff posted by the author of those articles to remove copyvio lyrics. I notice that over the last few days he seems to be working long hours adding articles about films and songs, frequently only referencing to blogspot and other unreliable places. I think it's that author that needs to slow down rather than Wgolf. I'm not commenting on the notability issue, as I don't know much about films, but I do know that the lyrics of Bollywood etc films are unlikely to be public domain, which is why I concentrated there. To my mind, there is definitely a referencing issue, and possibly an attempt to drum up visitors to certain sites. I leave it to those more knowledgeable about films to deal with it, but will keep an eye out for the lyrics. Peridon (talk) 11:21, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- I'd say they both need to slow down. If an editor is creating a lot of problematic articles that needs to be raised with the editor in question and at the adminstrators noticeboard if there is an ongoing issue - some of the Indian film/television articles Wgolf prodded already had one or more sources from quality publications such as the Times of India. Many of Wgolf's prods that I deproded are articles by other editors including albums by artists that we have articles on, sometimes already containing decent sources - they are generally not great articles but Wgolf seems to be rather indiscriminate in his attempts at deletion and doesn't appear to be making any effort to improve said articles or look at alternatives such as merging or redirecting, and because of the number of articles that he is tagging he is creating work unnecessarily for other editors. --Michig (talk) 11:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Okay sorry about the number of deletions[edit]
Yeah it did go too much. BTW-I found this The Mafia (film) and said it was previously up for a afd but voted as a redirect so I am unsure does it go as a csd-previously deleted or what as it never was actually deleted but voted as a redirect as seen here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Mafia (2014 film). Wgolf (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- I've redirected it. It wouldn't be speedyable under G4 as it wasn't deleted at the first AfD, but it should remain as a redirect until the issues from that AfD have been addressed. If it gets reverted without improvement it can be protected to prevent it happening again. --Michig (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- Well the user was making quite a few unsourced pages didn't realize I was going after the same guy until later on. (which is similar to another user who was blocked already who this guy does have a spi on already as well) (as for the uneeded filmography article the reason for the prod was because it was created by a sock puppet before the sock master was banned who was doing tons of these uneeded filmographies that were getting deleted) I do feel bad though for doing that many prods. Wgolf (talk) 16:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- I think all the prods and unprods have gone - Ponyo's been mass deleting per WP:Sockpuppet investigations/Vamsiraj. Looks like another Morning277 type of thing. Peridon (talk) 20:57, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
- Well the user was making quite a few unsourced pages didn't realize I was going after the same guy until later on. (which is similar to another user who was blocked already who this guy does have a spi on already as well) (as for the uneeded filmography article the reason for the prod was because it was created by a sock puppet before the sock master was banned who was doing tons of these uneeded filmographies that were getting deleted) I do feel bad though for doing that many prods. Wgolf (talk) 16:42, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
NWF Heavyweight Championship[edit]
If it was previously deleted at AfD, it's speediable, but I think you're incorrect and it was previously deleted as Prod. I suggest you AfD it this time and then if it's deleted it can be WP:SALTed as repeatedly recreated if necessary. --Dweller (talk) 08:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
- You're right - I hadn't spotted the previous prod. Will AfD it. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 09:16, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
NB: Special:Contributions/Axe2x --Dweller (talk) 10:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Music is boring[edit]
Music-related articles are boring and you should spend your time editing other articles instead. See this list for some suggestions. I mean, really, c'mon now! ! ! North America1000 02:46, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Several thousand species of spiders and collembola don't have articles yet - I'm not going to run out of things to do. --Michig (talk) 06:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Just about to go and see what hilarious japes people have come up with at AfD today...--Michig (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- North America1000 07:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
- Humour is one thing. Witless repetition of other people's bad jokes is something else. --Michig (talk) 07:20, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Nigel Boocock[edit]
Why did you change the edit on Nigel Boocock? He passed away this morningHoldenV8 (talk) 06:05, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Because no source was cited and a Google search didn't find any reliable sources to support it. Living people are presumed living until reliable sources say they're dead. Adding unsourced claims of death is a violation of WP:BLP. --Michig (talk) 06:13, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/184768618290981/ - This is the Sydney Showground Speedway group page on Facebook. Go and check out the tributes to Nigel BoocockHoldenV8 (talk) 06:23, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Surely you can wait until the BSPA put out an announcement can't you? --Michig (talk) 06:29, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
No problems at all in waiting. But it is true unfortunatelyHoldenV8 (talk) 06:32, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
- I would expect there will be something out within a few hours. We need to get the facts right, e.g. not stating that he died on the 3rd and that it was announced on the 2nd. Sadly we get people prematurely 'killed off' on Wikipedia several times a year, and when people do die we get inaccurate information added because people take social media posts as fact. On one of the most visible sites on the internet I think people's families and friends deserve better than that. --Michig (talk) 06:37, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Yeah agreedHoldenV8 (talk) 06:45, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Please help[edit]
I noticed that you removed an inappropriate speedy tag from the article 18+ (band). The same user marked Centre for Policy of Legal Reforms as a speedy. I easily found a couple of references on google and have put them in the article plus contested the speedy on the talk page. The user had also tagged no references and linkrot??? on the same article.
I briefly looked over the contribs [1] and edit count [2] for the editor, and noticed he/she is relatively new and seems very heavy handed with the tags and speedies. Could you look over the situation and respond to it as you see fit?
If you have time please look over his contrib list bcause there are a lot of heavily tagged articles on there. Thank you. WordSeventeen (talk) 15:03, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- I'm doing that now. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 15:07, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks for the quick help! Cheers! WordSeventeen (talk) 15:13, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
Claude Bessy (singer)[edit]
Please take a look at this. Singing was a minor part of Bessy's career. He's at least as well known as a writer, and also as the VJ/video producer at The Haçienda. Wwwhatsup (talk) 02:51, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
PROD of Palem Srikanth Reddy[edit]
Just to let you know, it had been PROD'd before. See [3], although the user/subject of that seems to be acting in rather bad faith with his moves. Jerod Lycett (talk) 15:36, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- Yes it had been BLP Prodded and then moved to userspace to avoid deletion...then moved back, so I'm happy that this should still be treated as a new article. --Michig (talk) 15:40, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Palem Srikanth Reddy[edit]
Seems like the page creator keeps on moving it from a userspace to a page back to a userspace-it is getting confusing. Palem Srikanth Reddy, might be best to just delete it and salt it at this point! Wgolf (talk) 15:38, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
- As it stands it will be deleted next Monday if it isn't sourced by then. If it's moved back to userspace it will still be deleteable as an unsourced BLP. --Michig (talk) 15:41, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Please help[edit]
Please, check the mail I sent you and help me to cope the problem, I described there. This is very important! I am sorry for bothering and thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanaSimba (talk • contribs) 19:30, 6 April 2015 (UTC) LanaSimba (talk) 19:35, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I have been changing some of the prods I put up for albums into redirects[edit]
Should I put that it was a article before or just leave that part alone? I did send a message to one person for the article My Cup of T since the creator is still around. While for the band X-Dream I basically just changed them all into redirects except one that is under afd. Wgolf (talk) 14:43, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
- It should be fine just to redirect them with a suitable edit summary. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 20:31, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
Love Comes to an End[edit]
At the AfD debate I noticed your comments "There's no sourced content to merge", since that time I have sourced a number of references that may address your concerns. I would appreciate it if you could have a look at the recent changes to the article. Dan arndt (talk) 05:15, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Deletion of Jason Maek[edit]
Hey I am very sorry to bother you, but I am confused on why the page Jason Maek got deleted. In the discussion it said there weren't 3rd party sources, but I linked and referenced what I thought were enough articles showing his relevance to the music industry. If you have any advice on how to make the article more credible, please let me know. I have three other articles that are all referenced around Jason Maek and I am confused why he is the only one that got deleted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs)
- Basically those editors that contributed to the discusssion didn't see evidence that Jason Maek satisfies the notability criteria (WP:NMUSIC). Some of the sources cited in the article when it was deleted would not satisfy WP:RS. --Michig (talk) 19:27, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I do not understand how the sources cited did not satisfy the notability criteria. They are third party sources that are directly indicate indicate Jason Maek as a credible artist. I can show you the articles I'm talking about. I am requesting that the deletion be undone.
Thank you.
http://www.columbiachronicle.com/arts_and_culture/article_997a8d08-45ee-11e4-891b-0017a43b2370.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs)
- Those sources were in the article when it it was deleted. The participants in the deletion discussion agreed that they were not sufficient to establish notability. One participant, now blocked from editing, expressed a view in favour of keeping. There's nothing new here that wasn't considered by those who argued for deletion. Looking at those sources, Buzzfeed, Consequence of Sound, Arena, awesomeshit.ninja, and NCC Linked are not reliable sources, Elicit is a deadlink, Gust is just a company listing with no independent coverage. That leaves one Hype article and a Columbia Chronicle article that is really about the label. I would suggest that you wait until more substantial coverage of Jason Maek appears in genuine reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 06:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
What makes any of the sources not reliable? They are all credible media articles.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs)
- See Wikipedia:Reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 05:50, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
If I add more content and reliable sources, please undo the deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sschmitz25 (talk • contribs) 19:38, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
- If you find more coverage in reliable sources let me know and I'll restore it to userspace for you to work on. --Michig (talk) 20:11, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
These Riddim Driven albums[edit]
So I have found tons of these that I have just put tags for notability and unreferenced (except for one so far that actually mentions doing well) anyway, I was wondering if these should be redirects-but I'm not sure to what! For example here is one: Riddim Driven: Engine 54 & Humanity (I found these looking at the backlog and found one of them listed) Wgolf (talk) 00:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
- This is a quite successful series of albums and in most cases they do receive coverage, so there will be scope for improvement. It's debatable whether there is enough to justify articles for some of them. For the one you mentioned there is already an Allmusic review linked in the article and I also found a review from The Beat in Google Books. We have an article for the series at Riddim Driven. I think the best approach may be to do a thorough search to see what sources are out there and then see whether the articles on the albums should be merged to the article on the series or whether some have enough to remain as standalone articles. The article on the series could certainly be improved with more details on the riddims used, producers, sources, etc. --Michig (talk) 06:17, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chloé (Belgian singer)[edit]
So the fact that there are no English language sources nor corresponding articles in the non-English Wikis of those languages and the article does not establish clear Notability for this person was not enough? A 4 year old stub that not even the creator will improve continues to languish. The AfD was discussed for nearly a month and no one expanded the article in that time. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 16:45, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
- No English language sources? It's irrelevant which language(s) sources are in. AfD is not for cleanup or there to get other editors to work on articles. The AfD lasted for three and a half weeks and the key thing is that in that time there was not a consensus reached. --Michig (talk) 16:52, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
Deprod of Forever Oeuvre[edit]
Why did you deprod this article? The concerns were very legitimate. You say that it was already discussed at AfD and that that version of the article was completely different, but the concerns are the exact same. The article exhibits no notability, and those concerns haven't ever been addressed, so this article should have never been created or recreated to begin with. They don't meet any points at WP:BAND, nor will they ever considering they're just a local band from PA and have been inactive for over four years. Additionally, there's obvious advertisement plugging in the article with all the external links in-prose. I know these problems would be brought up at AfD, but this article is so obvious it doesn't need an AfD process, just a prod. Jacedc (talk) 15:54, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker). It would have been de-prodded because that's the policy. See WP:PROD: "PROD is one-shot only: It must not be used for articles PRODed before or previously discussed on AfD." --Dweller (talk) 16:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- @Dweller: Ahh, thanks for the info! Somehow I was oblivious to that. I feel silly. Thanks! Jacedc (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
Per W. Undelete[edit]
Per Wickstrom article that was deleted. May I propose that more information be added to make the page more notable?
Recoverywp (talk) 02:33, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- You would need to find reliable independent sources discussing the subject in detail, not just more information. --Michig (talk) 05:16, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
FAC input[edit]
Hi! Since you're a regular contributor to music articles, would you be interested in reviewing my FAC for the article xx (album)? It's received one editor's review but not much follow-up yet--just hollow votes--so anything would really be appreciated. Dan56 (talk) 01:37, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
Lewis Italiano[edit]
I'm looking at creating Lewis Italiano following the player making his professional debut last week (Report) and am following the prompts to contact you first (having been the deleting admin on the previous AfD).
Cheers, Macosal (talk) 05:51, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
- Hi - I've restored the deleted version of the article. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 05:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)
Seth Davis Drumming[edit]
Hi Michig, I am a contributor here on Wiki that re-uploaded an article about the drummer, Seth Davis titled- Seth Davis, Drummer. The original article that was deleted, was titled- Seth Davis Drumming. The deletion of Seth Davis Drumming was due to an administrator claiming it was self promotion. I believe Seth Davis' article should be included in wiki. It is a non-biased, factually based article, with references. Because of these reasons is why I personally re-created the second article. The re-created article I uploaded has since been flagged for a "speedy deletion."
The following discussion is from the "talk" page of this second article.
This page should not be speedily deleted because... (Page is non-biased, factually based with references) --DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Are you denying that it's a re-creation of a page deleted via WP:AFD? --jpgordon::==( o ) 20:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Josh. No, I'm not denying it's a re-creation of a page deleted. Should I have contacted you before the re-creation? --DrumHistorian12811 — Preceding undated comment added 22:02, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
No, you should not have attempted to re-create it at all, as the page was deleted properly via the WP:AFD process. You may request reversal of that deletion via Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. --jpgordon::==( o ) 22:40, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice and recommendation. I've requested the reversal of the original article Seth Davis Drumming via: Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. --DrumHistorian12811 — Preceding undated comment added 23:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
After following the steps as advised, I received the following on the request for undeletion page- "Not done - this Requests for Undeletion process is only for articles that were deleted uncontroversially, and does not apply to articles deleted after a deletion discussion. Since the article you are here about was deleted after a discussion took place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seth Davis Drumming, it cannot be undeleted through this process. However, if you believe that the outcome of the discussion did not reflect the consensus of the participants, or that significant new information has come to light since the article was deleted, you may contact the administrator who closed the discussion, user Michig (talk · contribs). After you do so, if your concerns are not addressed and you still seek undeletion, a request may be made at deletion review."--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:23, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
The above is why I am contacting you. (As advised.) Thank you for your time and consideration. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 23:59, 11 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
- When an article is deleted at AfD it should not be recreated unless the reasons for deletion can be addressed. You have simply recreated the same promotional article under a different title. As for seeking undeletion, that can only happen if you have new sources that can address the concerns from the AfD discussion. In the absence of such sources (the contributors to the AfD agreed that those you have used are not sufficient) I can't restore the page. --Michig (talk) 06:04, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, Michig. The Seth Davis article has the proper credentials/sources required to be included in Wikipedia, IMO. It seems the deletion is subjectively based, not objectively. So I have to disagree, but will respect the decision. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 08:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
Michig, after careful examination of your response and the article in question, I ask for you to provide the evidence that backs your reasoning for stating the Seth Davis article is a "promotional article" when it is a non-biased, factually based article, with references that follow wiki guidelines. Wikipedia administrators are strict about rules, yet there are no rules broken regarding this subject. How do you explain this? DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 06:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
- Aside from a couple of Blabbermouth news items there was nothing cited that could really be called significant third party coverage. The article wasn't exactly neutral in tone and contained a lot of positive claims not backed up by citations of reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 21:37, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Michig, thank you for your response. So in your opinion, you don't see Seth Davis being acknowledged and verified as a world speed champion by the World's Fastest Drummer Organization in multiple articles as significant? What about the fact that he played with the revered thrash band from New Orleans- Exhorder, who have a wiki article written about them that Davis is included in? What about the multiple famous peers he performs master classes with, some which were included in the wiki article? "The article wasn't exactly neutral in tone"- Could you please be more specific and point out what wasn't factually based on the article, because I feel that was a vague response. Also, please clarify the following- "contained a lot of positive claims." What positive claims? Facts? It seems the more we discuss this, the more I believe this was a subjective choice to remove the Seth Davis article, not objective. I just don't understand why a person of his talent and accomplishments (more than some who have wiki pages) isn't included. I'm open to help out as I am a contributor to Wiki and a purist with regards to the art and history of drumming as can be seen in my contributions. Note* If multi tagging other artists pages about Seth Davis (Buddy Rich & Exhorder) was seen as spam and caused the page to be flagged, then point taken as that was my mistake not the artist in question, and could be corrected going forward. Again, thank you for your time as I believe this discussion is valid and worth having, as is the consideration of reinstating the article about the artist we're discussing. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
- It was discussed at AfD and the outcome was deletion. I just closed the discussion. There's no point continuing the AfD here. If you want to have an article on him you'll either need to challenge the closure of the AfD at Deletion Review (and given the obvious sockpuppetry in that discussion I can't see that being successful) or find some sources to address the reasons for deletion. --Michig (talk) 06:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Michig. I, along with others, would like to see an article on Seth Davis included on Wiki. So, could you provide the specifics regarding sources needed and answer why exactly the page/s were deleted in the first place. I appreciate your time and advice and seek it where any future pages are correct and meet the guidelines of Wikipedia.DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 07:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
The following sources are substantial, credible and were attained in less than an hour with a simple google search of the artist, Seth Davis. I believe this meets your suggestions and validates why there should be a Seth Davis Wikipedia article. I am requesting the original Seth Davis Wikipedia page be reinstated, following the careful evaluation of sources/references below. Thank you.DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 09:06, 15 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
- Take out the forum post and wiki page, and all that's left there are brief mentions, local newspaper articles, and sources that would likely not pass WP:RS. --Michig (talk) 06:01, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Michig, quoting you- "Aside from a couple of Blabbermouth news items there was nothing cited that could really be called significant third party coverage. The article wasn't exactly neutral in tone and contained a lot of positive claims not backed up by citations of reliable sources."- I provided more than 20 different websites of reliable sources. "Brief mentions" on many different websites are acknowledgments or "coverage", equaling recognition. You stated "sources that would likely not pass", yet I am following your advice and recommendation. There were more than "local newspaper" articles as well. There's many forum discussions on Seth Davis, along with other website mentions/wiki mentions. It would seem reasonable not to have to search out every forum post on an artist and post it here, to be seen as valid. There is a substantial amount of reliable sources from websites on Seth Davis that could be pasted here, and that most would agree is enough for reinstatement. It seems that you're more interested in attempting to find reasons why not to reinstate the artist's article, rather than assist in a non-biased, objective wiki based viewpoint to the Artist and article.DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 10:44, 16 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
- I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. All the best. --Michig (talk) 10:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
I expected more of a response from you, Michig, given your experience and position here at Wikipedia. I would like permission to write a new, neutral article about the artist we're discussing, please. I can see your prospective with regards to some of the words that were chosen in the original article, actually agree in some ways, and believe I could write a page that we would agree on that would include the proper sources etc. Is that a reasonable request?DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2015 (UTC)DrumHistorian12811
- You can write a new article about Seth Davis any time you want as long as it addresses the reasons why it was deleted at AfD. I've given you my opinion on the sources you found, but it seems whatever I say you come back with the same argument. Other wiki pages and forum posts are not going to be acceptable as sources, do not help to establish notability, and should not be cited - that's simply a statement of fact. The best advice I can give you is to read Wikipedia:Notability and be sure that the subject satisfies that guideline first of all, then make sure that everything you put in the article is directly supported by a reliable source, and that you limit the sources you cite to those that satisfy WP:RS. --Michig (talk) 19:05, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Michig, thank you for the advice. Seth Davis was able to be contacted via his website. I wrote him regarding the Wikipedia article and issues (which he was unaware of.) While it was a privilege to speak to the artist, (he was kind in response to my efforts and enthusiasm) unfortunately.. He preferred (after viewing the article complications and debate) and politely requested that I let the wikipedia issue rest because he felt it was more of a negative than positive light on who he is and what his drumming contributions represent. I think it's unfortunate with what he does in the drumming world to not be included at this point in time, but that's my opinion and we'll agree to disagree. I'll continue to contribute to the history of drumming/drumming related topics here on wikipedia and hope to maybe re-write a page about this talented artist in the future per his permission and updated credible sources. DrumHistorian12811 (talk) 17:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Hi Michig,
I received an email claiming to be from you regarding helping me with a wiki page that was declined for actress Kaitlyn Dias. I am just doing due diligence to determine if the email is legit. If it is from you, I surely would appreciate the help, if not, sorry to bother you and BTW someone is trying to impersonate you.
Best Regards, RichardGDias1 (talk) 12:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Rich
- No, I didn't send such an email. Had I offered to help I would have left a message on your talk page. Can you tell me when the email was sent and what the sender details are? Thanks. --Michig (talk) 12:47, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Hello Michig,
My company also got an email from someone impersonating you:
Hi I checked your Wikipedia declined draft; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ariett
I am a Wikipedian with high privileges, check my user page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michig
I will do online research and rewrite the content in encyclopedic tone and get it approved. Please respond if interested.
Regards, Tamsin — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
- Can you tell me the sender's email address? What address comes up if you click on reply? Thanks. --Michig (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
About Sumit jain CEO and Co-Founder of commonfloor.com.[edit]
Hi Michig,
Apologies for inconvenience, I was updating the article while you redirected that again to commonfloor.com, now i have added enough references to make sumit as a notable personality, please let me know if you still have any issues. Thanks for keep reminding me to update that article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Govinda rajpurohit (talk • contribs) 22:22, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your comment, after being listed for several days, and other ANIs acted on, I'm surprised there has been no action. there has been some improvement but I've found HoldenV8 still adding uncited material. LibStar (talk) 06:39, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
- Sorry for the delay in replying - haven't had much time the past couple of days. Their editing has improved, but I'll try to keep an eye on it and if the previous pattern of adding unsourced content returns I'll block - feel free to let me know if this happens. Thanks. --Michig (talk) 20:51, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
This Et Al[edit]
Sigh, yet another de-prod that doesn't deal with the concerns raised. Where exactly is this significant coverage please? GiantSnowman 12:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Sigh, any editor can deprod an article if they disagree with it. I googled and I found. --Michig (talk) 12:37, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well would you mind please adding said sources to the article? GiantSnowman 14:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- I've made a start. Will probably add more later. It would be helpful if you could look for sources yourself before prodding articles. If other editors find sources that you don't and deprod articles that's fair enough. You can't expect their editing to be dictated by you. --Michig (talk) 18:35, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well would you mind please adding said sources to the article? GiantSnowman 14:30, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
Love you...[edit]
I love you...for this comment, alone..."deproded - notability guidelines refer to the coverage that exists, not what's in the article. Allmusic has a bio and two reviews - not 'empty' at all".The Cross Bearer (talk) 06:52, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
Dykes is now covered and should be reinstated.
Source: http://www.digitaljournal.com/pr/2600356 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akecheta18 (talk • contribs) 23:03, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
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Precious again[edit]
"I'll see what I can do"
Thank you, master editor of Caribbean music and its people, such as Visions of Dennis Brown, for adding infoboxes early, for dealing fairly with articles for deletion, offering help ("He appears to be notable, but the article certainly needs some work. I'll see what I can do ...") and referencing hundreds of BLPs, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
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Alex Masucci[edit]
dear Michig,
I worked on this piece for months before it went live. I am dyslexic and so something that takes you five minutes may take my days.
I worked with and he asked me questions on Salsa author Juan Antonio Moreno-Velázquez
I have spoken with Chris Blackwell and many fania Artist or othe labels own by Jerry that could help me understand Alex Masucci's start in Salsa.
So helP my dyslexic brain get this together as this man has played an import role in history read the Marc Pollock article Alex did help Bob Marley into the uS on the Black radio stations known then .
Alex was apart of Fania records from inception in 1964 -1978.
Literally raised in the Latin music industry, Alex played an integral part of the formation and development of the supremely sophisticated, red hot dance genre the world that would come to be known as 'Salsa'. Alex distributored and promoted 'Our Latin Thing' directored by Lean Gast produced by Jerry Masucci. Alex promoted and co produce with his brother the first wave of Fania All Star Concerts throughout the United States and Latin America. Including the famous Yankee Studium concert.
Championing artists such as Ruben Blades and Bobby Rodriguez - Alex produced many of the hits during the 70's.
Eddie Benitez credits Alex for discovering him and signing him to Fania Records.
Jerry Masucci and Alex Masucci Produced and promoted artists that have sold many millions of records.
Salsa historian and Village Voice scribe Ed Morales, author of 'The Latin Beat: The Rhythms and Roots of Latin Music, from Bossa Nova to Salsa and Beyond' writes:
"Trying to define Salsa music is like trying to define Latinos in the United States, it is so culturally sophisticated and diverse, so unique to the tongues & rituals of the barrios and countries that have birthed the musical 'embasadores' who have traveled the world bringing 'el ritmo' to all parts of the globe. Fania has not just Latin music, but global popular music as well. Pacheco and the Masucci brothers provided the imagination, creative vision and business structure that was necessary for the development of an entirely new form of music that can only be equated in importance to American Jazz music or with the phenomenon that Motown was to the integration and acceptance of Black music by American and for that matter, global pop culture. What Fania and its men of vision did is truly that important, yet continues to remain unrecognized by music historians."
Fania Records VP Alex Masucci 1972 used the The Cheetah Lounge to film ' Our Latin Thing'
The next Fania All Star concert after the release of the movie film ' Our Latin Thing' it was held at Yankee Stadium, a historical day. Friday, August 23, 1973 featuring Fania All Stars, which was attended by 45,000 people. This was included in the second set of 50 recordings in a list preserved in the National Recording Registry.
Alex VP of Fania Records headed with the Fania All Stars and Celia Cruz in 1974 to performed in Zaire, Africa, at the Stadium du Hai in Kinshasa, which was attended by 80,000 people. 'Salsa Madness. Live in Africa' This Film and concert were coordinated by the Masucci brother's. The movie was shot by Oscar-winner director Leon Gast this historical film 'When We Were Kings' recorded the legendary boxing match known as "Rumble in the Jungle," between Mohammed Ali and George Foreman the heavyweight title fight. Alex is in this movie, Footage of this Leon Gast film was included in the 2008 documentary film Soul Power.
In 1975 Fania Records produced two albums from the Yankee Stadium concert. The Masucci brother's Jerry and Alex recognized Larry Harlow's directing skills in the studio which resulted in his studio work of Live at the Yankee Stadium volume 1& 2.
In concert Hector Lavoe, Santos Colón Ismael Quintana, Pete "El Conde" Rodriguez, Cheo Feliciano, Ismael Miranda, Justo Betancourt, Bobby Cruz also at the concert was Jerry Masucci's other record company Vaya Records artists too headlining Celia Cruz. Jerry Masucci and Alex Masucci produced concerts at Madison Square Gardens in 1975, 1976, 1977 and 1978.
Alex had grown restless for new challenges and decided to take up Chris Blackwells offer to be his assistant and head special projects at Island Records. Success came quickly to the new division and among Alex's credits, he signed and produced worldwide hit albums for The Invisible Man's Band's "All Night Thing" and Third World's huge international hit "Now that We Found Love" Co produced' The third World film ' ROOTS'
Music & film industry visionary Neil Bogart noticed Alex's success at Island and urged him to join his newly formed Boardwalk Records.
All Roads Lead to Fania In the early '90's Alex re-partnered with his brother Jerry in the Salsa label Cache'. This was to be the beginning of a new era for the Masucci brothers aiming for the re-activation of the then largely dormant Fania label group and a plan to take Fania public. Template:Http://www.nasdaq.com/markets/ipos/company/fania-entertainment-group-ltd-45993-9777 sadly Jerry passed away before these plans could be realized and Alex understandably lost heart for the moment. As an intense period of mourning drew near a close. Chris Blackwell again reached out to Alex and asked him to build a new Latin music company, Island Miami.
The reporter 'Masucci heading Latin unit for Island April 16, 1997.
Daily Variety Los Angeles By Adam Sandler Alex was named as vice president and general manager, and later, after the sale of Island and the two had departed, a joint venture was struck between Masucci Entertainment and Blackwell's newly formed Palm Pictures. The Masucci brother's family legacy is the Latin Music industry we have today. In the future the iconic music the documentary film's produced and distributed by the Masucci brother's are the legacy for generations to come 'How Salsa Music all began' Alex went to Cuba to settle his brothers affairs and on that trip he discovered a group called Carlos Manuel Colon
discography[edit] Invisible Man's Band - All Night Thing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usSO_70l6XU
Music Producer, http://www.discogs.com/artist/367633-Alex-Masucci
Alex Masucci music credits http://www.artistdirect.com/artist/alex-masucci/623634
References[edit] Alex Masucci Linkedin http://www.linkedin.com/pub/alex-masucci/0/663/59b artistdirect.com
Alex Masucci music credits http://www.artistdirect.com/artist/alex-masucci/623634
Our Latin Thing, Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec6_FKjAyDM
Rumble in the jungle http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijOjRTqPICk
Variety Magazine, ' Masucci tops new Island Latin label' http://variety.com/1997/scene/vpage/masucci-tops-new-island-latin-label-1117434475/
A salsa Documentary featuring Alex Masucci, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/latinmusicusa/index.html#/en/bts/credits/02
The Hollywood Reporter 67th edition wednesday 16th April 1997 " Masucci Heading Latin Unit for Island"
LA Times 'A sea Change' 26th May 2001
This article needs additional or more specific categories. Please help out by adding categories to it so that it can be listed with similar articles. (June 2014) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mintlamb (talk • contribs)
- The Alex Masucci article was deleted simply because consensus was reached at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion that it should be. The main concern expressed in the discussion was that the subject did not satisfy our notability criteria (Wikipedia:Notability) as well as promotional tone. Notability needs to be demonstrated by citing reliable independent sources. At the time the article was deleted, the only reliable independent source cited in the article was a small piece from Variety about his appointment as head of Island's Latin division (Youtube, Linkedin, and discogs.com are not reliable sources). I'm sorry if you put a lot of effort into this only to see it get deleted, but consensus from the discussion was clear in this case. My involvement here was simply to close the discussion based on the consensus that had been reached. If you feel that you can address the issues, primarily by adding reliable independent sources that discuss Alex Masucci in more detail than brief mentions then I would happy to restore the article to userspace for you to work on. --Michig (talk) 07:21, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
- Hi, my 2c on this is that I am very interested to learn more of the connection between Blackwell and Fania, and how Fania All Stars came to play in London in 1974. I, and not very many others, attended that show and were dazzled! I hope with a bit of diligence, sufficient Alex Masucci refs can be found to satisfy the notability requirement. Meanwhile I do see that the Jerry Masucci article also needs some attention. Wwwhatsup (talk) 08:30, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
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- @Airplaneman: Articles created for payment will eventually get found out, will likely get deleted, and then it will be harder to create an article in the future. If an article is justified, the best thing to do is find sources which demonstrate notability and start creating the article in draft space, citing those sources, and ask for help within Wikipedia to improve the article. It is possible that another editor could contact you via email genuinely offering help, but if they have nothing to hide they will be much more likely to contact you via your talk page. Unless we can positively identify someone as a WP editor I don't think there's much we can do about people making these offers off-wiki, other than to ignore them. --Michig (talk) 20:23, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
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Re: View AfD[edit]
Really appreciate the feedback in the AfD Discussion. Glad you weighed in since this is definitely in your wheelhouse! The nominator seems to have disregarded WP:NOT42 and I noticed that the Delete vote editor has never voted once in favor of Keeping an article, ever. Anyway I responded to your Merge vote over there, and just wanted to let you know. I feel like Merging isn't optimal since both of the co-founders of that band have been so active after the band's break-up, and in the interest of clarity I'm wondering if you see how a separate article could be warranted? I have been trying to update the article to reflect that but it's slow going because there's so much. Would appreciate any feedback you have. Thanks!Yogaball (talk) 00:55, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Laura Dawn[edit]
Thanks for finding those reviews. It was a bad faith prod anyway, but nevertheless, I think when I originally created the article, we were not really using Allmusic as an RS, and the other material simply wasn't available online. It's a good reminder to me to check for new stuff occasionally, even on an otherwise "complete" article. MSJapan (talk) 05:10, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
Notability of towns and settlements[edit]
On what basis do you claim that every town and settlement in the world is inherently notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 04:02, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features): "Legally recognized, populated places are presumed to be notable." --Michig (talk) 05:34, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Joan Caballero and Stanislav Danko[edit]
Hi Michig,
Can you undelete please articles about footballers - Slovak Stanislav Danko and Spanish Joan Manuel Sánchez Caballero. They made their debut for Michalovce on 8 August 2015 against FC ViOn Zlaté Moravce. [source: http://int.soccerway.com/matches/2015/08/08/slovakia/super-liga/mfk-zemplin-michalovce/fc-zlate-moravce/2064931/] Thank you IQual (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
- @IQual: I have restored these. If you could update them with a source verifying that they have played a professional league match it would be appreciated. --Michig (talk) 07:46, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
Urgent Help[edit]
Can you please be kind enough to look at the Reported usernames noticeboard for a minute concerning Dmacks1, it appears to a compromised admin account . Regards FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 08:01, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- I don't see an entry there for Dmacks1, and there doesn't appear to be a user named Dmacks1 in WP - care to clarify? --Michig (talk) 08:06, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- OK, found them. It looks like they have already been blocked indefinitely. --Michig (talk) 08:16, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
Rustic (Game) deleted for no reason?[edit]
Hello, my name is Aaron and I was wondering why you deleted my page named Rustic (Game). You said it was because I did not have a credible source which I did (a game page) and I was finishing up a website for the game. If you can I would like you to restore the page or make it again because I did have a credible source and was going to add the website for the game shortly after that (that is how I found out it was deleted). If those two links were not enough, I am the dev of the game. Those 3 combined should be enough for any game page. Surely, you should have backup or copy and paste text of all the pages delete just in case you make a mistake. If you do, can you restore or remake the page (or at least put it in your reply)? Thank you.
Aaronth07 (talk) 15:52, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) If you are the game's developer then you should read WP:COI and WP:GNG before attempting to proceed in this matter. Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 16:08, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) The article was deleted after this public discussion. There you can see what several other editors thought, which is what led to the deletion. I notice you did not participate in that discussion. The key concepts mentioned are all about notability and independent/reliable sourcing, which means the WP:GNG guideine. It has nothing to do with whether this subject truely exists or whether what you say about it is true, but instead whether it is worthy of an article at this time. Articles can be "undeleted" with the click of an (admin) button. DMacks (talk) 16:23, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I get what you are saying. If the game is not worthy of an article yet, can I get the page source code copy and pasted into here so I can work on it in my sandbox? Aaronth07 (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- I also note that you were advised about a potential conflict of interest over a week ago. How would you address these concerns? Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi 16:58, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
I dont know what the conflict of interest was. Also if Michig could post the page source code I will edit it in my sandbox where it wont disturb anyone. Aaronth07 (talk) 17:10, 1 September 2015 (UTC)
- As has been pointed out it, if you are the developer of the game, you have a conflict of interest (i.e. you have an interest in promoting the game), so it would be better to wait until independent coverage of the game exists and for someone else to write an article about it. The particpants in the AfD decided it shouldn't have an article at this time, not me. You should not even consider recreating the article until the concerns raised in the AfD have been addressed. --Michig (talk) 06:12, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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Thank you[edit]
Dear Michig I just wanted to say thank you for your intervention regarding Brian Anderson (boxer) to coin a phase they were simply dancing rings around me. Will you be monitoring revision on the page as clearly I have a conflict of Interest.
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Deletion of Article/Carmine Miranda[edit]
Hi Michig,
I wanted to discuss the deletion of an article about cellist Carmine Miranda. This article was deleted on 24 November 2014.
As a classical music enthusiast, I discovered Carmine Miranda's playing a couple of years ago, when he released the Bach Cello Suites on Centaur Records:
http://www.centaurrecords.com/store/crc-3263-3264-2-cds-j-s-bach-6-suites-for-cello.html http://www.arkivmusic.com/classical/album.jsp?album_id=870231
I noticed that his Wikipedia article was deleted due to a conflict of interest of an individual (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lilianarice) who made several edits to the page and was suspected of being a paid promoter for Carmine Miranda.
This is an unfortunate circumstance since there are numerous verifiable sources that can account for Carmine's notability as a professional musician. I am happy to help provide these sources and to work on the Wikipedia article about him. Below is a short list of sources, including articles in print and online music publications, features and interviews on radio stations, and mentions by awards and institutions. I have plenty more that I can provide as evidence to Carmines notability and that can be used in the Wikipedia article as cited sources.
Review of his most recent commercial release on Navona Records, Alfredo Piatti: 12 Caprices for Solo Cello (http://navonarecords.com/catalog/nv5972/) in Gramophone Magazine: http://www.gramophone.co.uk/review/piatti-12-caprices-for-solo-cello?pmtx=orange-all&utm_expid=32540977-3.FNZqseMjTvyRLIewfMgTiA.2&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
Review on classical music blog, The Classical Reviewer: http://theclassicalreviewer.blogspot.com/2014/10/venezuelanamerican-cellist-carmine.html
Review in Cincinnati Magazine found on EBSCOhost: http://connection.ebscohost.com/c/articles/99535682/well-strung
Gold Medal given to Carmine from the Global Music Awards in December 2014: http://www.globalmusicawards.com/Winners-Dec-2014.html
Nomination in January 2015 from the Hollywood Music in Media Awards (HMMA): http://www.hmmawards.com/2015-music-genre-nominees2015-january-music-genre-nominees-2/
Article on Czech National Radio (Český rozhlas) about a concert at a music festival in Krumlov, Czech Republic: http://www.rozhlas.cz/mozaika/hudba/_zprava/v-ceskem-krumlove-propojili-zapad-vychod-i-stred-sveta-a-dychali-v-jedinem-hudebnim-rytmu--1520812
I believe that these article and links provide verifiable evidence that Carmine Miranda is a professional classical cellist. I am happy to work on his Wikipedia article so that it is written with an unbiased point-of-view.
I would like to request that the deletion of Carmine Miranda's Wikipedia article is removed and that his article is brought back to an active status.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
E.fortin240 (talk) 22:43, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
- While there were concerns expresed over paid editing, the article was deleted because there was consensus that the subject did not satisfy the relevant notability guidelines. The content was poorly sourced or not not sourced at all in some cases, so I would be reluctant to restore it. My recommendation if you feel you have sufficient reliable independent sources would be to start an article from scratch. --Michig (talk) 06:26, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
i see on your page that you have an interest for extreme metal so i think the cancellation of my modification is not due to the lack (the usual excuse of black metal's fans to hide the truth) of sources... and is, then, unfair — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sant Erwan (talk • contribs) 10:10, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
- It wasn't properly sourced. If you want to add any content that could be considered controversial you need to properly cite reliable sources, i.e. stating *exactly* where that content is sourced from. --Michig (talk) 10:38, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
I see that you think that wikipedia is about point of view not about telling the truth. i've cited a reliable source esoterra, on perfidious criminals made stars and i can produce the paper version of it— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sant Erwan (talk • contribs)
- No it's not about point of view, far from it. It's about verifiability, which requires reliable sources to be properly cited, which you didn't do. You would first need to establish EsoTerra as a reliable source (and I'm not convinced it satisfies WP:RS), and then cite it properly, indicating author, publisher, ISBN, page number(s). Then you would need to summarise the content rather than copying a large section of text from it. --Michig (talk) 11:45, 13 September 2015 (UTC)
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Palladium is one of the main individuals featured in the authoritative book about the group Hacker, Hoaxer, Whistleblower, Spy: The Many Faces of Anonymous[3]. He is also featured in the another book on the subject [4]. The previous article would benefit from linking to these more recent secondary sources which provide extended context and notability for the article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Abacus21 (talk • contribs)
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- ^ https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/2013/10/09/fine-gael-website-hackers-walk-away-without-prison-sentence-or-criminal-records
- ^ Hacker, Hoaxer, Whistleblower, Spy: The Many Faces of Anonymous. ISBN 9781781689837.
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- Man pleads guilty in death of collector after burglary Updated: Oct-01-15 6:30 pm
BUFFALO, New York - A western New York man has pleaded guilty in the death of a comic book collector who died of a heart attack shortly after a home invasion and robbery.
- Supreme Court to review European suit against R.J. Reynolds Updated: Oct-01-15 11:12 am
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court will decide whether the European Union can pursue its lawsuit claiming that tobacco company R.J. Reynolds sponsored cigarette smuggling in Europe as part of a global money-laundering scheme with organized crime groups.
- Maryland man convicted in major NY cigarette-smuggling case Updated: Sep-29-15 6:49 pm
NEW YORK - A Maryland man accused of spearheading the smuggling of more than a million cartons of untaxed cigarettes into New York state was convicted Tuesday of racketeering but acquitted of charges that he plotted behind bars to get witnesses killed.
- Zachary man sentenced to running prostitution ring Updated: Sep-29-15 7:20 am
BATON ROUGE, Louisiana - A 34-year-old Zachary man who led a Baton Rouge-based sex-trafficking ring involving multiple prostitutes, including a 16-year-old girl, has been sentenced to more than 9 1/2 years in federal prison.
- Prosecutor links figure in Chinatown probe to 2006 slaying Updated: Sep-28-15 6:55 pm
SAN FRANCISCO - The government has evidence that a man charged in a money laundering and corruption probe centered in San Francisco's Chinatown also arranged a 2006 slaying, a federal prosecutor said Monday.
- Alleged gang members charged with attempted murder Updated: Sep-28-15 4:13 pm
MEMPHIS, Tennessee - A federal grand jury has indicted several people alleged to be Gangster Disciples gang members in connection with the attempted killings of five teenagers in Memphis.
- Man arrested in Gulfport gets prison for drug racketeering Updated: Sep-28-15 9:57 am
GULFPORT, Mississippi - A federal judge has fined a California man $10,000 and ordered prison for his efforts to finance the delivery of multiple kilos of cocaine and heroin from South Mississippi to Detroit.
- Fake Social Security cards issued in repair credit scam Updated: Sep-23-15 10:24 am
BATON ROUGE, Louisiana - State authorities say an elaborate $5 million scheme involving fake Social Security cards and more than 300 stolen identities circulating through a bogus "credit repair" company led to a Baton Rouge man's arrest.
- Numbers stack up in American, Swiss FIFA corruption cases Updated: Sep-14-15 4:14 pm
ZURICH - Four months after stunning arrests and raids rocked FIFA, there could yet be four years until the final criminal trial is heard.