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Subject: Re: [OMPI devel] -display-map
From: Greg Watson (g.watson_at_[hidden])
Date: 2009-01-16 14:04:39
FYI, if I configure with --with-platform=contrib/platform/lanl/macosx-
dynamic the build succeeds.
On Jan 16, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Jeff Squyres wrote:
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> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 Jan 2009 18:08:11.0165 (UTC)
> Er... whoops. This looks like my mistake (I just recently add
> MPI_REDUCE_LOCAL to the trunk -- not v1.3).
> I could have sworn that I tested this on a Mac, multiple times.
> I'll test again...
> On Jan 16, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Greg Watson wrote:
>> When I try to build trunk, it fails with:
>> i_f77.lax/libmpi_f77_pmpi.a/pwin_unlock_f.o .libs/libmpi_f77.lax/
>> libmpi_f77_pmpi.a/pwin_wait_f.o .libs/libmpi_f77.lax/
>> libmpi_f77_pmpi.a/pwtick_f.o .libs/libmpi_f77.lax/libmpi_f77_pmpi.a/
>> pwtime_f.o ../../../ompi/.libs/libmpi.0.0.0.dylib /usr/local/
>> openmpi-1.4-devel/lib/libopen-rte.0.0.0.dylib /usr/local/
>> openmpi-1.4-devel/lib/libopen-pal.0.0.0.dylib -install_name /usr/
>> local/openmpi-1.4-devel/lib/libmpi_f77.0.dylib -
>> compatibility_version 1 -current_version 1.0
>> ld: duplicate symbol _mpi_reduce_local_f in .libs/libmpi_f77.lax/
>> libmpi_f77_pmpi.a/preduce_local_f.o and .libs/reduce_local_f.o
>> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>> make[3]: *** [libmpi_f77.la] Error 1
>> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
>> I'm using the default configure command (./configure --prefix=xxx)
>> on Mac OS X 10.5. This works fine on the 1.3 branch.
>> Greg
>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>> Okay, it is in the trunk as of r20284 - I'll file the request to
>>> have it moved to 1.3.1.
>>> Let me know if you get a chance to test the stdout/err stuff in
>>> the trunk - we should try and iterate it so any changes can make
>>> 1.3.1 as well.
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ralph
>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>> Ralph,
>>>> I think the second form would be ideal and would simplify things
>>>> greatly.
>>>> Greg
>>>> On Jan 15, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>> Here is what I was able to do - note that the resolve messages
>>>>> are associated with the specific hostname, not the overall map:
>>>>> <map>
>>>>> <host name="graywolf54.lanl.gov" slots="1" max_slots="0">
>>>>> <noderesolve name="graywolf54.lanl.gov" resolved="localhost"/>
>>>>> <process rank="0"/>
>>>>> <process rank="1"/>
>>>>> <process rank="2"/>
>>>>> </host>
>>>>> </map>
>>>>> Will that work for you? If you like, I can remove the name=
>>>>> field from the noderesolve element since the info is specific to
>>>>> the host element that contains it. In other words, I can make it
>>>>> look like this:
>>>>> <map>
>>>>> <host name="graywolf54.lanl.gov" slots="1" max_slots="0">
>>>>> <noderesolve resolved="localhost"/>
>>>>> <process rank="0"/>
>>>>> <process rank="1"/>
>>>>> <process rank="2"/>
>>>>> </host>
>>>>> </map>
>>>>> if that would help.
>>>>> Ralph
>>>>> On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>> We -may- be able to do a more formal XML output at some point.
>>>>>> The problem will be the natural interleaving of stdout/err from
>>>>>> the various procs due to the async behavior of MPI. Mpirun
>>>>>> receives fragmented output in the forwarding system, limited by
>>>>>> the buffer sizes and the amount of data we can read at any one
>>>>>> "bite" from the pipes connecting us to the procs. So even
>>>>>> though the user -thinks- they output a single large line of
>>>>>> stuff, it may show up at mpirun as a series of fragments.
>>>>>> Hence, it gets tricky to know how to put appropriate XML
>>>>>> brackets around it.
>>>>>> Given this input about when you actually want resolved name
>>>>>> info, I can at least do something about that area. Won't be in
>>>>>> 1.3.0, but should make 1.3.1.
>>>>>> As for XML-tagged stdout/err: the OMPI community asked me not
>>>>>> to turn that feature "on" for 1.3.0 as they felt it hasn't been
>>>>>> adequately tested yet. The code is present, but cannot be
>>>>>> activated in 1.3.0. However, I believe it is activated on the
>>>>>> trunk when you do --xml --tagged-output, so perhaps some
>>>>>> testing will help us debug and validate it adequately for 1.3.1?
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>> On Jan 14, 2009, at 7:02 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>> Ralph,
>>>>>>> The only time we use the resolved names is when we get a map,
>>>>>>> so we consider them part of the map output.
>>>>>>> If quasi-XML is all that will ever be possible with 1.3, then
>>>>>>> you may as well leave as-is and we will attempt to clean it up
>>>>>>> in Eclipse. It would be nice if a future version of ompi could
>>>>>>> output correct XML (including stdout) as this would vastly
>>>>>>> simplify the parsing we need to do.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hmmm...well, I can't do either for 1.3.0 as it is departing
>>>>>>>> this afternoon.
>>>>>>>> The first option would be very hard to do. I would have to
>>>>>>>> expose the display-map option across the code base and check
>>>>>>>> it prior to printing anything about resolving node names. I
>>>>>>>> guess I should ask: do you only want noderesolve statements
>>>>>>>> when we are displaying the map? Right now, I will output them
>>>>>>>> regardless.
>>>>>>>> The second option could be done. I could check if any
>>>>>>>> "display" option has been specified, and output the <ompi>
>>>>>>>> root at that time (likewise for the end). Anything we output
>>>>>>>> in-between would be encapsulated between the two, but that
>>>>>>>> would include any user output to stdout and/or stderr - which
>>>>>>>> for 1.3.0 is not in xml.
>>>>>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>> PS. Guess I should clarify that I was not striving for true
>>>>>>>> XML interaction here, but rather a quasi-XML format that
>>>>>>>> would help you to filter the output. I have no problem trying
>>>>>>>> to get to something more formally correct, but it could be
>>>>>>>> tricky in some places to achieve it due to the inherent async
>>>>>>>> nature of the beast.
>>>>>>>> On Jan 13, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ralph,
>>>>>>>>> The XML is looking better now, but there is still one
>>>>>>>>> problem. To be valid, there needs to be only one root
>>>>>>>>> element, but currently you don't have any (or many). So
>>>>>>>>> rather than:
>>>>>>>>> <noderesolve name="node0" resolved="Jarrah.local"/>
>>>>>>>>> <noderesolve name="node1" resolved="Jarrah.local"/>
>>>>>>>>> <map>
>>>>>>>>> <host name="Jarrah.local" slots="8" max_slots="0">
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="0"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="1"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="2"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="3"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="4"/>
>>>>>>>>> </host>
>>>>>>>>> </map>
>>>>>>>>> the XML should be:
>>>>>>>>> <map>
>>>>>>>>> <noderesolve name="node0" resolved="Jarrah.local"/>
>>>>>>>>> <noderesolve name="node1" resolved="Jarrah.local"/>
>>>>>>>>> <host name="Jarrah.local" slots="8" max_slots="0">
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="0"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="1"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="2"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="3"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="4"/>
>>>>>>>>> </host>
>>>>>>>>> </map>
>>>>>>>>> or:
>>>>>>>>> <ompi>
>>>>>>>>> <noderesolve name="node0" resolved="Jarrah.local"/>
>>>>>>>>> <noderesolve name="node1" resolved="Jarrah.local"/>
>>>>>>>>> <map>
>>>>>>>>> <host name="Jarrah.local" slots="8" max_slots="0">
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="0"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="1"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="2"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="3"/>
>>>>>>>>> <process rank="4"/>
>>>>>>>>> </host>
>>>>>>>>> </map>
>>>>>>>>> </ompi>
>>>>>>>>> Would either of these be possible?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:18 PM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Ok thanks. I'll test from trunk in future.
>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Working its way around the CMR process now.
>>>>>>>>>>> Might be easier in the future if we could test/debug this
>>>>>>>>>>> in the trunk, though. Otherwise, the CMR procedure will
>>>>>>>>>>> fall behind and a fix might miss a release window.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, hopefully this one will make the 1.3.0 release
>>>>>>>>>>> cutoff.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:56 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ralph,
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is now in 1.3rc2, thanks. However there are a couple
>>>>>>>>>>>> of problems. Here is what I see:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [Jarrah.watson.ibm.com:58957] <noderesolve name="node0"
>>>>>>>>>>>> resolved="Jarrah.watson.ibm.com">
>>>>>>>>>>>> For some reason each line is prefixed with "[...]", any
>>>>>>>>>>>> idea why this is? Also the end tag should be "/>" not ">".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Great, thanks. I'll take a look once it comes over to 1.3.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2008, at 2:59 PM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yo Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is in the trunk as of r20032. I'll bring it over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to 1.3 in a few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I implemented it as another MCA param
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "orte_show_resolved_nodenames" so you can actually get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the info as you execute the job, if you want. The xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tag is "noderesolve" - let me know if you need any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> changes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 22, 2008, at 11:55 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess the issue for us is that we will have to run
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two commands to get the information we need. One to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the configuration information, such as version and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MCA parameters, and one to get the host information,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whereas it would seem more logical that this should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all be available via some kind of "configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discovery" command. I understand the issue with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> supplying the hostfile though, so maybe this just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> points at the need for us to separate configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information from the host information. In any case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll work with what you think is best.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 20, 2008, at 4:49 PM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm...just to be sure we are all clear on this. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason we proposed to use mpirun is that "hostfile"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has no meaning outside of mpirun. That's why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ompi_info can't do anything in this regard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have no idea what hostfile the user may specify
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> until we actually get the mpirun cmd line. They may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have specified a default-hostfile, but they could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also specify hostfiles for the individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app_contexts. These may or may not include the node
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upon which mpirun is executing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the only way to provide you with a separate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> command to get a hostfile<->nodename mapping would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> require you to provide us with the default-hostifle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and/or hostfile cmd line options just as if you were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> issuing the mpirun cmd. We just wouldn't launch - but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be the exact equivalent of doing "mpirun --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do-not-launch".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I missing something? If so, please do correct me -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to provide a tool if that would make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it easier. Just not sure what that tool would do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It seems a little strange to be using mpirun for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this, but barring providing a separate command, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using ompi_info, I think this would solve our problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 17, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for delay - had to ponder this one for awhile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jeff and I agree that adding something to ompi_info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would not be a good idea. Ompi_info has no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge or understanding of hostfiles, and adding
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that capability to it would be a major distortion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of its intended use.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, we think we can offer an alternative that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might better solve the problem. Remember, we now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> treat hostfiles in a very different manner than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before - see the wiki page for a complete
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> description, or "man orte_hosts".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So the problem is that, to provide you with what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you want, we need to "dump" the information from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever default-hostfile was provided, and, if no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> default-hostfile was provided, then the information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from each hostfile that was provided with an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> app_context.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The best way we could think of to do this is to add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another mpirun cmd line option --dump-hostfiles
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would output the line-by-line name from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostfile plus the name we resolved it to. Of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> course, --xml would cause it to be in xml format.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that meet your needs?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Ralph,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We've been discussing this back and forth a bit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internally and don't really see an easy solution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our problem is that Eclipse is not running on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head node, so gethostbyname will not necessarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolve to the same address. For example, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostfile might refer to the head node by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internal network address that is not visible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the outside world. Since gethostname also looks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in /etc/hosts, it may resolve locally but not on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote system. The only think I can think of would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be, rather than us reading the hostfile directly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as we do now, to provide an option to ompi_info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would dump the hostfile using the same rules
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that you apply when you're using the hostfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would that be feasible?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 22, 2008, at 4:25 PM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry for delay - was on vacation and am now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trying to work my way back to the surface.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I can fix this one for two reasons:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. In general, OMPI doesn't really care what name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is used for the node. However, the problem is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it needs to be consistent. In this case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ORTE has already used the name returned by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gethostname to create its session directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure long before mpirun reads a hostfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is why we retain the value from gethostname
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of allowing it to be overwritten by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name in whatever allocation we are given. Using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the name in hostfile would require that I either
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> find some way to remember any prior name, or that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tear down and rebuild the session directory
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tree - neither seems attractive nor simple (e.g.,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what happens when the user provides multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entries in the hostfile for the node, each with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different IP address based on another interface
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that node? Sounds crazy, but we have already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen it done - which one do I use?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. We don't actually store the hostfile info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere - we just use it and forget it. For us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to add an XML attribute containing any hostfile-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> related info would therefore require us to re-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read the hostfile. I could have it do that -only-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the case of "XML output required", but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems rather ugly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An alternative might be for you to simply do a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "gethostbyname" lookup of the IP address or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostname to see if it matches instead of just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing a strcmp. This is what we have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> internally as we frequently have problems with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FQDN vs. non-FQDN vs. IP addresses etc. If the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> local OS hasn't cached the IP address for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> node in question it can take a little time to DNS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolve it, but otherwise works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can point you to the code in OPAL that we use -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would think something similar would be easy to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement in your code and would readily solve
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 19, 2008, at 7:18 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ralph,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem we're seeing is just with the head
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> node. If I specify a particular IP address for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the head node in the hostfile, it gets changed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the FQDN when displayed in the map. This is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem for us as we need to be able to match
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the two, and since we're not necessarily running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the head node, we can't always do the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resolution you're doing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Would it be possible to use the same address
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is specified in the hostfile, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternatively provide an XML attribute that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contains this information?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:06 AM, Ralph Castain wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not in that regard, depending upon what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean by "recently". The only changes I am aware
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of wrt nodes consisted of some changes to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> order in which we use the nodes when specified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by hostfile or -host, and a little #if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> protectionism needed by Brian for the Cray port.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you seeing this for every node? Reason I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask: I can't offhand think of anything in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code base that would replace a host name with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FQDN because we don't get that info for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remote nodes. The only exception is the head
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> node (where mpirun sits) - in that lone case,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we default to the name returned to us by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gethostname(). We do that because the head node
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is frequently accessible on a more global basis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the compute nodes - thus, the FQDN is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> required to ensure that there is no address
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> confusion on the network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the user refers to compute nodes in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hostfile or -host (or in an allocation from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resource manager) by non-FQDN, we just assume
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they know what they are doing and the name will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correctly resolve to a unique address.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Greg Watson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Has there been a change in the behavior of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -display-map option has changed recently in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 1.3 branch. We're now seeing the host name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a fully resolved DN rather than the entry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that was specified in the hostfile. Is there
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any particular reason for this? If so, would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it be possible to add the hostfile entry to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the output since we need to be able to match
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the two?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greg
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Yes, today is a civic holiday here in Ontario, dubbed Simcoe Day in the Toronto area for John Graves Simcoe (1752-1806), first lieutenant governor of Upper Canada (southern Ontario, more or less), founder of Toronto, and abolisher of slavery in Ontario (take that, Lincoln!). I am staying out of the kitchen and staying on the beach down by the lake. Oh, how I love you, statuatory holiday!
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5 comments:
- Bianca said...
So that's why my calendar says "Civic Day- Canada". I got so jealous when I saw that this morning. Extra holidays are just one more reason why Canadians are so much cooler than us stupid Americans...sigh...
- August 4, 2008 at 12:01 PM
- Fresh from the Source said...
I hope you enjoyed your holiday today. So happy that the name is catching on, so that people can remember/learn their history. I overheard somebody saying today, "Imagine, naming a holiday after a lake."
- August 4, 2008 at 7:12 PM
- Vegan Dad said...
I guess that makes Europeans the coolest people of all.
- August 4, 2008 at 9:08 PM
- Katie said...
I have never heard of Simcoe Day but it sounds like a worthy holiday to me. Have a happy Simcoe Day! Great blog :)
- August 5, 2008 at 12:34 AM
- Cravin' Veggies said...
Definitely need more summer holidays in the U.S...
- August 5, 2008 at 9:09 AM
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And these findings surprise WHO?Hide replies
no one
Unbelievable garbage from this 'reporter'; pure radical liberal grap. But, after all, what do you expect from the JS DNCHide replies
I'm with you, pesarde. I can't stand liberal or conservative grap. Right on.
How is citing statistics pure liberal "grap"
ALAR, I think pensarde wants a free-market approach. Require insurance on all guns and ammo, except hunting weapons. Among other factors, let someone's credit rating, medical history, job history, driving record, ..... determine their premium.
pensarde, you are the radical and we decent folks in your community want you to sit down and STFU. btw, get a job and quit hanging out in bars instead of spending family time with your wife and kids.
Pen-how many more loose guns do you want on our streets, in the bedrooms, in the classroms, malls, and grocery stores. What a sad person you are.
Mil, you're conflating lawfully-owned firearms possessed by law-abiding citizens
illegally-possessed weapons in the hands of violent criminals.
The former make us all safer. The latter put us all in danger.
Scott Walker said it best to Diane Hendricks, you have to start with "Divide and Conquer." Man it's gotta hurt when your own idea comes back and bites you in the ars. Obama is in major "Divide and Conquer" mode. And more than 53% of the people are on his side when it comes to assault weapons and large clips being banned. If 53% was a validation for Walker, then the Tea Party and the NRA better batten down the hatches. The NRA membership only represents 1.3% of America. Obama is about to prove just how small that percentage is, no matter how much they try to intimidate and Bully the other 98.7%. Some amount of equity is about to be restored and there ain't sh*t the NRA can do about it. They are the lunatic fringe and like the Tea Party, their ship has sailed for the betterment of us all!Hide replies
But, Chicago, who will the Democrats trot out for 2016? Please tell me not Biden. They need a new charismatic LEADER.
Clinton...and she wins in a landslide. The GOP has no viable national candidate...
But she would have to recover from all that ails her today. How damaged is she?
Clinton? Who lied about the Al Qedia terrorists attack our soil in Libya on the 11th anniversary of 09/11/01?
Well if you don't care about being lied to while your pockets are being picked you would support Clinton.
Well said, old Chicago Dem. Real adults are going to make the children in the Tea Party behave.
All I got to say to you commie sympathizers is "Bring it On"
Commie sympathizes? Be careful there. Governor Walker just announced he will be looking to do more business with Communist China. Heck big business is being hood winked by the Commies as we speak. Please American businessmen come here and build factories we can copy and then using slave labor and children we will bury you. Think you are calling the wrong team Commie sympathizes.
@Home1: You think China is a communist state? A totalitarian state, sure. A state riddled with corrupt crony capitalism, sure. But the so-called "Communist" party in China hasn't been communist for 25 years. They gave that up when they realized it was making them poor and backward.
@Home1: When you say nobody wants to take away the right to hunt or target shoot, you make most gun owners worried, because you left out the most important reason to own a gun: for self defense. So, you would take away the right to own a gun for self defense? Wait, what? You want to also leave us the right to own guns for self-defense? Then who the heck are you to tell ME what sort of gun is best for me to own for that purpose? My own self defense is my business and I should be able to make the decisions necessary to defend myself. Like what kind of gun to own.
The only way the NRA wins is if we let them win. Time to call them out. There are more of us than them. No one wants to take away anyone's ability to hunt or target shot. We do want common sense rules that help to identify those who should never own or handle a fire arm. And we want to develop better statistical sampling on the federal level to create predictability models on what kinds of weapons and situations need to be more carefully monitored in the future.
The 2nd amendment has nothing to do with hunting or target shooting
Wishful thinking on your part, just when your side had it all going your way, you fumbled the ball and gave it back to the conservatives. The gun issue is to men what the abortion issue is to women. There are some things you just don't mess with.
If you would rather cower in fear while a criminal holds a gun to your head you're all for restrictive gun laws.
If you believe in defending yourself to the end you are against gun restrictions.
If you believe banning magazines of X capacity will end gun violence you are at the same intellectual level as the kids Obama exploited this week.
There is zero chance that Obama is going to get any new gun laws passed in congress. Then when the next congressional elections come around in less than two years, more republicans will get voted in because of the lefts stand on guns. The democrats are giving the republicans the ammo they need to retake the Senate. Then Obama's last two years will be with republicans in firm control of the congress. The left has the media and TV on their side but we have the internet on ours. We win hands down.Hide replies
Except from the results of the last election you don't know how to use the Internet. Obama beat you guys hands down when it came to getting out the vote.
Congressional elections are a whole different ball game. By all rights the democrats should have won the House considering their man was reelected. With gun rights on the agenda conservatives will be backing their candidate for next congressional elections. I just don't see minorities voting they way they did for Obama to back anti gun candidates. Which means we'll be at the ballot bax while your side is sitting home. You know it's true.
you guys thought you had the last election sewn up. Wouldn't bet the farm if I were you.
Obama won the big states but lost most of the country. The problem with congressional races is each state gets the same number of senators and so a tight congressional race outside of those liberal big states would favor the republicans just because of the gun issue. I'm confident we'll win the senate back in the next elections. Just like we did when Clinton was president and pushed new gun laws on the country.
Hey nice try tax...except for one thing..Obama won the popular vote..some Georgie failed to do when he was elected for the first time..keep believeing you delusions
Congressional elections are not national votes so it doesn't matter how many votes Obama got. In less than two years a number of senators will face reelection and the gun issue will be something they will have to answer for in their states. Doesn't matter what the people of NY or CA think when a senator is from another state. The people of that state will decide their outcome.
The Repubs are shooting themselves with the gun love. Their war on women did not do them any good either.More will be gone next election.
If I was a Democrat party operative in a state like Wisconsin, I would be very concerned that the Obama-Feinstein Gun Ban and Consfication Act will become law.
Well we all know the saying (and think this when we see/hear a man talking about his gun rights): "The bigger the gun talk, the smaller the (male appendage)". Gun owner guys, we're laughing at you and snickering behind your backs.Hide replies
You are talking about two different kind of guns, which is the first thing you learn when you go into the military. A girl asked the guy, who are you going to pleasure with that little thing, his answer was, ME.
Were not worried about what you think. Real women love to shoot and be protected by Men with weapons. The liberals with question about their own gender issues are the most likely to be against firearms....
Do you even know a real women? Most are more than proficient at taking care of themselves and their own.
Biker Boy, you are delusional. Home1, are you a man or a woman? Most women that I know are not very capable without a man to support and help them.
Must live a very sheltered life if most of the women you know can't take care of themselves. But then birds of a feather do flock together.
Good news gun enthusiasts! They are now making inflatable women out of kevlar!
Not really, Home1. I am 67 years old and have little interest in more women. But you are correct in that "birds of a feather do flock together".
I have nieces and nephews who have no other place to turn than me. So it is not about meeting women.
I am certain that there are women who CAN AND DO take care of themselves, in fact I know one who is doing that. But her "man" is a loose "nephew" if you understand that. So NO. I am not in a "sheltered" life, by no means. I am smothered in it.
Canfield-women cannot take care of themselcves? Since when?
Biker Boy-you are a true right wing nut case!!!!
So, um, Fan...
How do you explain away women who are lawfully armed for our own protection?
Lots of us at the Capitol today.
I've noticed it's the anti-rights people who seem fascinated with male genitalia. None of the pro-rights people at the rally said a thing about the topic.
And how about seniors or people with disabilities who carry for their own protection?
Fanofnaught: well now there's a rational policy argument by a gun opponent: "You only own guns because you have a small manhood." That's the best you can do? Surely you must be able to come up with something more persuasive than that....
Most educated women can take care of themselves. I was citing a small group that cannot be identified so, I was wrong to say what I said.
Curious...I hunted for 9 years and never fired more than two bullets at a time. It was a rifle...was always told bolt actions were better. Hand guns for your home..yeah OK..but if you want to protect yourself..get a shotgun with bucksalt...you dont really have to aim..you will stop the intruder and never get accused of killing someone. So..a pistol, rifle, and shotgun is all hunters and everyone else will ever need...what is the rights holdup on outlawing crap that which is useless. Armor piercing bullets..20 mag clips..??? Really...how does this help anyoneHide replies
I dont need an AR, I want one and its my right!
If you want to make this argument about the "needs" of an individual, you already lost.
-you dont need a fast car
-you dont need TV, cable, satellite
-you dont need a house or a yard...
But I sure bet you want all of those. Too bad, because in America according to your argument, if its not a "NEED" it should be banned!
Demslie-You want a big gun for what? Because you can?
yes, because i can and its fun!
ALLLibe-That is the truth.
I can also have a picnic in the park, but i dont because its not fun or enjoyable to me...
There is more to guns than KILLING, but that is what the liberal mind resorts to, KILLING, because they are sick and demented!
I've been collecting guns for most of my life and have never hunted once. There are many different types of gun owners and the vast majority of us will go through life without ever committing a crime. If you want to put a scarlet letter on us for owning a gun, so be it. I will wear mine with pride.
An assault rifle is arguably more effective for home defense than a pistol. It's easier to aim, and you need fewer bullets to kill a person attacking your family. If your family is being attacked by a group of people, you might need more bullets than fit in your pistol. If you have a big yard and the people attacking your family are not yet finished crossing it, the ability of a rifle to accurately fire longer distances might save the lives of your children. If it's dark, you might need a flash suppressor to avoid messing with your night vision so that you can see the other vicious criminals coming to have their way with your loved ones.
In the end, it's really about the children. If possessing a rifle with scary-looking superficial features ("assault rifle") saves the life of just one child, just one innocent doe-eyed angel, it's worth it.
AllLibsArerational..So apply your rational to the Voter ID law or other irrational ideas you oppose if you think all people only need what you site.
I only need want to have a legitimate vote with one vote for one person. There is a potential for a person to use the ID of someone else. Thus I have used your simply approach to gun owner ship because you thin people only need the three guns you site.
Who are you to be the person to determine people's need's. By the way who is the Government to do it also without the consent of the people through their elected officials.
This is all good stuff but it misses the main point of the Second Amendment. We human beings have an absolute right, given to us by nature and/or God, to possess firearms. The reason for that right is to give us the ability to resist foreign invaders or our own out-of-control government, should it ever come to that. Semi-automatic rifles and handguns fall well within that category. Hunting, sport shooting, collecting, and home defense from criminals are bonuses, but they are beside the point.
@Alllibsarerational: Typical argument by someone who purports to know what i "need" in terms of guns and yet is so ignorant of guns that he thinks that shotguns shoot something called "bucksalt" and don't need to be aimed in order to hit something. Stay out of my business.
The AR platform is the most common home defense rifle. It is even starting to overtake the 500 or 870 pump shotguns for home defense use. The reason for this is the same as for police departments. Easier to control. That shot spreads out to take out 3 home invaders at one time is a myth.
The identifying characteristics that Obama-Feinstein call "military style features" are what makes the AR home defense rifle so controllable by a person with a slight build, an adjustable stock and pistol grip.
I would like to see a poll that asks the following questions:
1) Do you favor banning assault weapons?
2) Should hunters be allowed to use self loading guns?
3) Sould a person be allowed to use a self loading gun to defend themselves?
At some point in civil society, the nutty gun-rights folks are going to have to be ignored, on many gun issues...case in point: No one with a diagnosed mental illness should be allowed to purchase/own a gun, let alone concealed carry. We need transparency with mental health facilities/VA and other hospitals so that no one with any diagnosis of PTSD, bi-polar, depression, anxiety, etc is allowed to purchase or concealed-carry. Most of the perpetrators of mass gun murders in the past year had diagnosed mental illnesses and purchased guns legally.Hide replies
When I read something like you just wrote, ignoring you is the first thing that comes to mind.
U want to take the rights away from soldiers who returned from putting life on line for those rights? PTSD does not mean you will flip out, add depression and anxiety together that likely to be half the country and having either of these doesn't mean you'll go on a killing spree.... Sandy hook shooter, Oregon mall shooter tole the guns they used, guy in ny who ambushed firefighters used straw buyer....
Rational gun control, Nikegolf, means you don't put guns in the hands of unstable people.....its just common sense
What about misdiagnosis??
Why do I read these posts? It is and has for a long time been, illegal for anyone with a diagnosed mental illness to own a firearm. Felons are also prohibited, as well as those dishonorably discharged from the service, those with restraining orders, or those charged with domestic abuse. The problem is, unless you want to turn this into a police state, you are going to have people who are not supposed to get guns, who get them anyway. Forty children murdered is a horrible thing; but 300 million people deprived of their rights, security, and freedom - particularly when these deprivations will not stop nut cases from killing anyway, is far more frightening. Criminals always find a way to circumvent the law - this is the definition of criminal. You can not prevent violent crime through this kind of legislation, any more than you can prevent every traffic fatality, house fire, or swimming pool drowning.
It is NOT illegal for someone who is sick, or someone who has a disability, to own firearms or ammunition.
If someone is found not guilty of a crime by reason of mental defect,
or adjudicated mentally incompetent,
or involuntarily committed to a mental institution,
THEN they lose their right to self-defense.
Notice that those all involve a ruling from a judge. They're high hurdles, as they should be.
If we're going to prevent people from possessing things that might be dangerous to others based on having a disease, I think it's more rational to take rights away from people with neuromuscular diseases because they can't control their bodies & that's dangerous. (Same goes for letting them drive. They should take cabs.)
Not everyone with seizures would repeatedly pull the trigger during a seizure, but hey - if it saves just one life, it's worth it, right?
Very good, RedHot - you are precisely correct. One must be adjudicated mentally incompetent - diagnosis is not sufficient. Ask some psychologists how they feel about their patients with PTSD and other mental disorders walking around carrying guns in Wisconsin. It should be cause for alarm and for placing more restrictions on gun purchases and ownership.
fromtheedge, placing restrictions on the mentally ill is one thing, on the other hand, preventing someone like this from stealing or somehow getting their hands on a gun that was legally purchased by someone else is another thing.
This is exactly what happened in Newtown.
We know how well drunk driving laws keep drunk drivers off of the roads.
since you bring up a particular case.....In Newtown, the shooter's mother and/or father purchased the guns legally. There should be restrictions on possession/storage of guns in homes where there are residents with a diagnosed mental disability. As well, laws should be on the books that place criminal culpability on individuals whose guns are used by someone else to commit crimes. In this case, the mother (now dead), and the father would be liable subject to criminal prosecution. Again, common sense solutions.
Fromtheedge: You would make the Newtown shooter's father criminally liable? His parents were divorced and the father did not live in the home. And the mother is dead so there is nobody to prosecute. If the risk of getting shot by her son didn't cause her to secure her guns properly, what makes you think a criminal penalty would do so? The problem with trying to deal with problems by adding a bunch of criminal laws is that eventually the criminal laws get used to oppress people while not actually solving the underlying problem. See, for example, laws against the sale and use of illegal drugs.
I might add, FS5698, that if the divorced father, no longer living in the home, was the purchaser/legal owner any/all of the weapons in the house he left behind, then yes, by all means, he should be held criminally liable for failing to secure those weapons....again, common sense....
And fromtheedge, you would place criminal liability on ANYONE whose gun is used by another to commit a crime? Even if the gun owner did not do anything wrong? Even if the gun was taken without the owner's permission, or if the owner had no reason to be believe the gun would be wrongfully used? That kind of strict liability standard is exactly the kind of thinking that makes gun owners suspicious of the government and reluctant to surrender ANY gun rights.
Yes, fs5698, criminal liability on anyone whose gun is used to commit a crime...secure the weapon...its not a toy....common sense
bofus41.........based on the pertinence of your remark, you can excuse yourself from the conversation...
Tm2gtjb...military/police are out there protecting life and property.....personal gun owners are doing nothing of the sort, and, given the mental state of many gunowners, they are more like to exacerbate or create a crime scene.....again, common sense..
Police action are reactive, after some breaks into your house they will come, after the drunk driver crashed and fled, they will come, after someone robs you at gun point they will come, after you or your loved one is hurt or worse by another human they will come.... This is not their fault, it's just the nature of the job
A significant majority of recent mass murderers were also educated beyond a standard college degree or were actively pursuing such degrees. Maybe it's time to license anyone who pursues degrees beyond a basic bachelor's degree and license them.
remember its only safe in the world with a big gun. hard facts...this is not utopia...god says so....heaven will have a ban on guns....on earth there is good and evil....its the reason you lock your doors when you visit milwaukee for the festivals then drive like a banchee to get out afterwards. its the reason Hitler wasdefeated, terrorism is being fought, and right now with one hand behind our backs because of Obama, and countless other wars and skirmishes. Ask yourself as you lie in bed all safe because of the military and police there to protect you, ask yourself what is the overriding factor with most if not all of the mass killings over the last few years...hint it is not guns...think for yourself now...Hmmmm ..Hmmmmmmmmm...Hmmmmmmmmmm?
The Oak Creek mass murderer purchased his guns legally and had no signs of mental illness nor did any red flags come up on him. How could this have been prevented?
That point clc, it couldn't have been....nothing proposed will stop these things....bad people do bad things
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Published: Sunday, June 16, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
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GAFFNEY, SC-- Nathan Harrison Gardner, 91, of 1281 Macedonia Road, went home to be with the Lord on Saturday, June 15, 2013, at his residence.
Born in Gaffney, he was the husband of Birdie Mae Pritchard Gardner and the son of the late Tillman Gardner and Minnie Littlejohn Gardner. He was a United States Navy Veteran, retired from Kohler, a farmer and a surveyor. He was the South Carolina Checker Champion several times and a former Farmer of the Year in Cherokee County. Mr. Gardner was a member of Crestview Baptist Church, where he was one of the founding members, former Church Clerk and served on numerous committees.
In addition to his wife, also surviving are five sons, Lee Gardner and wife, Wanza of Gaffney, Danny Gardner and wife, Jennifer of LaGrange, GA, Kenneth Gardner and wife, Cindy of Gaffney, Rev. Joel Gardner and wife, Rita of Blacksburg, and Jeff Gardner and wife, Helen of Hemmingway, SC; two daughters, Vickie Giles and husband, Frank of Gaffney and Jane Hamrick and husband, Tim of Chesnee; three sisters, Eudora McSwain of Mooresbobo, NC, Reca Steelman of Lincolnton, NC, and Juanita Hollifield of Chesnee; 25 grandchildren; and 16 great-grandchildren. Mr. Gardner was preceded in death by two brothers, Robert Gardner and Rymond Gardner; and two sisters, Viola Friday and Lula Belle Nix.
The family will receive friends from 6:00 until 8:00 PM on Monday, June 17, 2013, at Blakely Funeral Home. Funeral services will be held at 2:00 PM on Tuesday, June 18, 2013, at Crestview Baptist Church with Rev. Rick Taylor and Rev. Joel Gardner officiating. Interment will be in Crestview Baptist Church Cemetery.
In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to: Crestview Baptist Church, "Building Fund", 3010 Chesnee Highway, Gaffney, SC 29341 of Hospice Care of SC, 1612 N. Limestone Street, Gaffney, SC 29340.
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In the July 19 Guest Opinion, "Prescription Monitoring Program shortcomings must be addressed," Dr. Richard Pieters, president of the Massachusetts Medical Society, stated clearly the epidemic of overdose, abuse and death from opiates.
"Patients who experience severe pain will always require treatment and should be able to get relief," he wrote. His prescription included medication, physical therapy, and acupuncture. He leaves out a very important and proved treatment for pain and potential substitute for opiate addiction: medicinal marijuana.
By classification, there are eleven types of pain. An increased responsiveness by our own endogenous pain control system is responsible. The endocannabinoid system acts as a defense against pain. When CB1 and CB2 receptors are stimulated by marijuana, pain is decreased as proved anecdotally and by randomized placebo controlled clinical trials.
There are more than 10 times the number of these receptors in the central nervous system compared to u-opioid receptors, which are prevalent in the brain stem, responsible for respiration, and the reason opiates kill.
Medical marijuana can also work as an exit drug or drug substitution and often will keep users of opioids at a lower level. Many on opioids find that using marijuana can lessen their usage over time.
Medical marijuana is a viable alternative to pain control and opiate morbidity and mortality. It needs further consideration by our federal government and the DEA (Class l to Class ll) and our own Massachusetts Medical Society. Our Referendum passed a year and a half ago. It is time for the Massachusetts Department of Public Health to place into operation what 63 percent of the voters approved.
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24-year-old Tanya Shelton, of Lexington, is in th Lincoln County Jail facing kidnapping charges. But early Friday morning she was in Franklin, reconsidering her plans to keep heading south to New Orleans.
Police say Tanya Shelton is denying all involvement in the disappearance of Grayci Barrows, depite a call made to Franklin Police this morning.
Officer Justin Toth, Franklin Police Department, says, "We received a call this morning, I think it was about 6:30 this morning that there was a female at the Pilot truck stop at Exit 6 that she just wanted to speak to an officer."
Shelton had traveled 150 miles from Fort Logan Hospital in Stanford to and exit off I-65 in Franklin.
Toth, "We responded out there. On our way out there we got the Amber Alert about the 1-day old child and at that time the female stated that she was involved in this."
She was taken into police custody at this Pilot gas station. Franklin Police tell WBKO she requested and was immediately provided with a defense attorney.
Toth says, "She did not say she had the child, but she was afraid she was being accused of having the child."
Police searched the grounds at the truck stop and along the Interstate but didn't see any signs of a baby. Franklin Police are charging Shelton with two Class D felonies for having stolen prescription pads from the Fort Logan Hospital.
Authorities say Shelton was not forthcoming about the whereabouts of the baby when she was questioned by FBI and police. After being released on bond in Franklin Shelton was arrested by Stanford Police on a kidnapping warrant.


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Culver City Car ShowWritten by on May 13, 2014 George Barris Brings the Fifties to Town
Culver City, California, is proud of its role in Hollywood history. MGM studios took up a big portion of town during most of the 20th century, and thousands of classic movies were produced there.
In the Fifties, the town played a part in the history of hot rodding as a magnet for many L.A. area car nuts eager to show off their rides at local diners and on local streets. The spirit of those days is relived every spring during the Cruisin' Back To The '50s car show, sponsored by the Exchange Club of Culver City and presented by famous builder George Barris.
The downtown area is closed to through traffic as street rods, customs, pickups, lowriders, muscle cars, classics, and more, crowd half a dozen city streets. Live music, vendors, and thousands of spectators take up every bit of room not taken by the cars.
Cruisin' Back To The '50s celebrated its 11th year in 2014, and we were there to relive a little hot rod history. The following is a small sample of the vehicles there to help celebrate.
One of the signs that summer is around the corner is George Barris returning to Culver City, California, for the annual Cruisin' Back To The '50s car show.
The show always draws some impressive lowriders. One of the nicest was Rosario Onorato's amazing blue 1964 Chevy, which has been in his family since it was new.
Screens in the hood sides of Russell Collins' 1934 Ford coupe show off the 350 Chevy engine. Russell's daily driver was treated to a 4-inch chop, black cherry pearl metallic paint, and 20- and 17-inch five-spoke wheels.
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This was the first car show for Jay Kovarsky's 1949 Chevy tin woodie wagon. The bodywork, paint, and fabrication was all handled by Jay. The engine is a 350 Ram Jet and the interior is tan leather.Maroon and cream pinstriping accents the grey metallic paint on Verl Farris' beautiful 1950 GMC 1900 pickup. It's hard to see, but it's there, below the window and below the frenched headlights.Some tasty pinstriping also enhances Isaac Neria Jr.'s tan satin Model A roadster pickup. The channeled hot rod hauler rolls on wide whites with Lancer caps, under the power of a Chevy small-block.Jumbo-sized rims and low-profile tires move Howard Ceals' copper-colored 1947 Ford coupe way out of the ordinary. The modern interior is finished with tan leather and tweed.You could read a newspaper in the shiny black finish on Ricardo Zamorano's dressed up 1949 Chevy Deluxe resto cruiser.The show always draws some impressive lowriders. One of the nicest was Rosario Onorato's amazing blue 1964 Chevy, which has been in his family since it was new.Try counting the modifications on Stephen Bailey's ghost-flamed 1951 Ford custom. Don't forget the Corvette grille teeth, Buick side trim, top shop, side pipes, and extensive sheetmetal fabrication.This no-nonsense 1927 Ford Model T looks like the granddaddy of all hot rods. James Bailey's roadster runs a six-cylinder Flathead with two 94s on an Offenhauser intake manifold.
This 1948 Ford Deluxe convertible is a favorite at Los Angeles area hot rod and custom shows. Once owned by builder Sam Foose, father of Chip Foose, the 327-powered custom sports a new interior.This 1948 Ford Deluxe convertible is a favorite at Los Angeles area hot rod and custom shows. Once owned by builder Sam Foose, father of Chip Foose, the 327-powered custom sports a new interior.Here's another sweet Track T, this one owned by Patrick Copeland. The early-styled 1927 Ford features a quick-change rearend, quarter-elliptical leafs and lever arm shocks in front, and split 'bones at all corners.The original Ala Kart may be the most famous car built by George Barris. Howdy Ledbetter built the close-to-clone Ala Kart II tribute car. Trevor Candler displayed the Ala Kart II, which drew a big crowd.With its slammed stance and 20-inch Delmo wheels, Paul Friedman's 1956 Chevy pickup is a fine example of the type of trucks built by Delmo's Speed and Kustom. A 5.7-liter LS3 engine powers the truck.Sport coupes are a great early Ford body style. Ernest London brought this beautifully-done 1930 Model A to Culver City.Hey look—here's another one. Willie Duncan's 1931 Ford sport coupe is restored to early condition, including the four-banger engine.It took six years for Chase Germeroth to turn his 1960 Olds Super 88 into a driver. In addition to the exterior modifications and copper and silver paint, we liked the wave motion tank mounted into the dash.
Ray Rose identified this as a 1961 Ford F100 unibody, but with a 1958 Corvette grille, 1955 Buick headlights, 1955 Caddy front bumpers, Camaro front clip, 1959 Caddy taillights, and many other mods, we'd just call it a show custom.Jeff Thielman's "Ship Shape" 1929 Ford Model A lowboy roadster is packed with a small-block Ford engine topped with triple deuce carburetors. The interior is black tuck 'n' roll.