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Eastside Catholic
The fallout continues:
The president of Eastside Catholic School has resigned amid the fallout from her decision to dismiss the school's vice principal for marrying his gay partner. . .
Her resignation, submitted to the Eastside board of trustees Sunday, was effective immediately, and in an email sent to parents, staff and others on Tuesday evening the school said a search for her replacement will begin right away.
The handling of Zmuda's dismissal has presented a public-relations challenge for Eastside, with Tracy's statements about whether the vice principal was fired or resigned, and what role the Seattle archbishop played in that decision, appearing at times to contradict those of the school's attorney and the archdiocese.
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"The handling Zmuda's dismissal" is hardly the issue. The gay rights movement will not brook opposition, and anyone who stands up reasonably to the agenda on any principle will be villified and hounded until they either submit or lose all influence. Letting alone the rightness or wrongness of "gay marriage," this tactical proctocal is a moral outrage.
Kathy, I think you're thinking of the Illuminati. The gay rights movement is too busy building landing strips for gay martians to get involved in this kind of thing.
And teh students get some kind of lesson! Not sure what it is yet, but one can gues the range of thoughts and feelings that will make this year like o other fo them...now without Princpial and vice principal.
As has been suggested as an example in the past, suppose a Miss Jones returns from vacation as Mrs. Smith.. and some knew the other, first Mrs. Smith. Does anyone ask if Mr. Smith had an annulment or where the wedding was performed. Or if they had been cohabiting previus to this union? Let's check it out!!!!
While I am sympathetic to the Vice Principal, I also get that tghe school has its rights including the right to require its employees to abide by Church teachings. Whether those teachings are right or wrong is an interesting and whole different discussion. I do think that the President likely did the right thing in resigning. At some point in a situation like this, the best solution is to bring in new leadership regardless of how well or how effective the current leaderhsip has been. As long as she is there, Sr mary will be a lightening rod and this will be an issue. With her gone, things can return to some degree of normal. I've seen comparable controveries in other business and government situations where I've found myself over the years. At the end of the day, unless and until a change is made, the controversey just continues to bubble. A new leader gives everyone a chance to let it go.
"To let it go..."? Is that the goal here? Arguably yes and it is a school and the students need to focus, but this is also a situation whihc demands far greater discussion and an atempt at justice. I still wonder about the scenario I posited or many others where the indiviudal -yet public lives of teachers - are in play at the discretion of the administration. And may no one ask if they are using artifiical contraception!!!!
Kathy and Jim Dunn,
As a religious organization, the school has the right to choose its ministers (and teachers are legally considered ministers for this purpose). However, the community also has a right to express its disagreement with how it chooses to use that right. It is the student community at the school, not some outside organization, that is the driving force behind this story.
If we were Las Vegas bookmakers - what are the new odds that Zmuda gets his job back? I think they may have just ticked upward at least a little.
From the sounds of things, the atmosphere is pretty poisoned there at this point. That's what I mean by "let it go." The other discussion, whether Mr. Zmuda or any other staff member, should or should not have been fired is not likely to be discussed or settled effectively going forward without new leadership. A new President allows those discussions to occur in a far less rancorous environment.
Jim P.
I would bet Zmuda does not get the job back. On the other hand, if you ask if the Calculus teacher gets fired for marrying her girlfriend next year, I think the answer would be no. But again, that is just a gut feeling on my part based on watching these types of incidents over many years.
Sorry, this storyline needs more context and data. Reality - if the reason for the dismissal was because he married his partner; how consistent is the local bishop and principal? Have they used the same standards for other teachers - for example, what about any teacher who is divorced but receives communion? what about any teacher who may be involved in an extra-marital affair? what about any teacher who may be living with a significant other? (is the real test here the fact that this *marriage* became public? Is that really the core., dividing line?)
Again, appears to be a hypocritical decision and am sorry that two of the initial commenters only continue the usual - bigotry masquerading as *orthodoxy* and appealing to the fact that they know the *truth* and have utter *certitude*. Really?
From Francis:
The bishop must always foster this missionary communion in his diocesan Church, following the ideal of the first Christian communities, in which the believers were of one heart and one soul (cf. Acts 4:32). To do so, he will sometimes go before his people, pointing the way and keeping their hope vibrant. At other times, he will simply be in their midst with his unassuming and merciful presence. At yet other times, he will have to walk after them, helping those who lag behind and -- above all -- allowing the flock to strike out on new paths. In his mission of fostering a dynamic, open and missionary communion, he will have to encourage and develop the means of participation proposed in the Code of Canon Law, and other forms of pastoral dialogue, out of a desire to listen to everyone and not simply to those who would tell him what he would like to hear. Yet the principal aim of these participatory processes should not be ecclesiastical organization but rather the missionary aspiration of reaching everyone.
--"The Joy of the Gospel " (Evangelii Gaudium), Nov. 24, 2013
(is Sartrain following this?)
Francis, again:
Francis again stresses humility as path to God
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Pope Francis says we need to be small and humble to dialogue with God, but at the same time, God always chooses those who are small and who have the least power.
This was the core message of the Francis' homily at Tuesday morning Mass in the Santa Marta residence, according to Vatican Radio.
Francis explained how our Christian loyalty is all about "safeguarding our smallness so that we can have a dialogue with God." That's why, he continued, "humbleness, gentleness and daily habits are so important in the life of a Christian" because it safeguards our smallness and pleases God. He concluded by imploring God to give us the grace to safeguard our smallness before him
Did this decision reveal an ability to *safeguard our smallness so we can have a dialogue*? Was this decision one of humbleness, gentleness?
Sorry, find the decision to lack any type of pastoral sensitivity; claim a certitude that the church just doesn't have; slaps the gospel imperatives in the face, etc.
From a church perspective - is this the *rule of law* or the *law of the ruler* approach? Do we rreally want ourselves and our church to be know by its laws or by its compassion, mercy, and love? (what does this decision really teach these high schoolers - appears that many of them have grasped the core of the gospel imperative)
As has been suggested as an example in the past...
IMHO, this question is irrelevant. The issue is: did Zmuda breach his contract? If so, then the decision was correct regardless of how the rules are applied to others. We are all hypocrites; thats not a good reason to ALWAYS be a hypocrite.
Bruce, that's not how we Catholics think. We don't think exclusively and automatically in terms of laws and rules to figure out what is right. Rules are there to help us but are not the last word.
Jorge Mario Bergoglio (the future Pope Francis) wrote in his book On Heaven and Earth that same-sex marriage was "anti-value and an anthropological regression". He said that it "transcends the relgious issue, it is anthropological." He defined this "anthropolical regression" as "a weakening of the institution that is thousands of years old and that was forged by nature and anthropology."
I agree with Claire
However, the school seems to be still concerned with drawing nitpicking distinctions:
The Eastside Catholic drama coach who feared for her job after coming out as gay on The Ron and Don Show now says she is being embraced by the school's administration and was even offered a raise.
Stephanie Merrow met with principal Polly Skinner Thursday afternoon. She described the meeting in positive terms and said the principal was "warm, welcoming, and kind."
"They made me feel valued. She told me she was happy that I'm there," said Merrow, who will continue working on the upcoming Eastside Catholic production of "Guys and Dolls," set to debut in March.
The choreographer decided to go public with her sexuality following student protests over the firing of Vice Principal Mark Zmuda. Eastside Catholic argued he violated church teachings after marrying a man.
Merrow plans to wed her partner of five years in August. On Thursday, the school's administration presented her with a contract to clarify her employment status.
"It's very clear that I'm an independent contractor and that I'm seasonal," Merrow explained. "They actually gave me a little raise."
An attorney for Eastside Catholic, Mike Patterson, confirmed to KIRO Radio that a part-time worker like Merrow is not subject to the same policy that prompted the school to fire Zmuda.
"She's contractual, she's a consultant, she's part-time, and she's seasonal," said Patterson.
Bill deHaas,
I would guess that the "public" nature of the marriage is indeed the dividing line. As to all the rest of it, I suspect, is handled with a certain amount of "don't aks, don't tell." As long as nobody comes out and says, "I'm living with my girlfriend," or I'm having an affair with a married woman," nobody knows for sure and thus, cannot take any action. For what its worth, I am aware of a teacher who was let go from a Catholic high school for living with his girlfriend. And another one who was let go for re-marrying after a divorce, so its not unheard of for this to happen. I will say that in both cases the people involved technically resigned, but that was more of a formality than anything else. As a side note, one was a football coach, who was very quickly hired by another Catholic School in a neighboring diocese. They neither asked nor did he tell them of his living arrangements. He was, and is a very successful football coach.
Statement from the former Principal before she left:
"The head of Eastside Catholic, Sister Mary Tracy, sent a short statement to KIRO Radio through student Julia Burns Tuesday:
"I look forward to the day when no individual loses their job because they're married to a person of the same sex."
John Hayes,
While I agree that it is nitpicky to some extent, I actually do think that it is legitimate to draw a line somewhere and that a contractor is different than an employee so that is at least arguably a reasonable place to draw the line. After all, if you don't draw it, you need to be willing to fire your lawyer(what about if one of his law partners marries his male partner?), your accountant, the guy who plows the snow and mows the lawn, the plumber...at some point it becomes both ridiculous and impossible. So saying these rules apply to direct employees is pretty reasonable, I think.
Just for clarity, I am not opposed to gays marrying. Nor do I think this was a good move on the part of Eastside Catholic. The difference is that I think these are reasonable distinctions if you wish to make the decisons that Eastside made.
Claire: Bruce, that's not how we Catholics think. We don't think exclusively and automatically in terms of laws and rules to figure out what is right. Rules are there to help us but are not the last word.
Actually, under the combined papacies of John Paul II and Benedict, the institutional church seemed to quite definitely embrace a "law and order" approach to official Catholic thinking while opposing much thinking at all on the part of individual Catholics, including theologians - the last two popes very much seemed to want to make rules "the last word".
Individual "thinking" was strongly discouraged (look at the numbers of theologians, priests, sisters etc who were silenced or even excommunicated because of the fact that they refused to toe the line of rules and regulations - primacy of conscience was redefined in their catechism to essentially make the claim that anyone who dissents from any official teaching has not, by definition, "properly" formed his or her conscience. .
Claire: Bruce, that's not how we Catholics think. We don't think exclusively and automatically in terms of laws and rules to figure out what is right. Rules are there to help us but are not the last word.
Actually, under the combined papacies of John Paul II and Benedict, the institutional church seemed to quite definitely embrace a "law and order" approach to official Catholic thinking while opposing much thinking at all on the part of individual Catholics, including theologians - the last two popes very much seemed to want to make rules "the last word".
Individual "thinking" was strongly discouraged (look at the numbers of theologians, priests, sisters etc who were silenced or even excommunicated because of the fact that they refused to toe the line of rules and regulations - primacy of conscience was redefined in their catechism to essentially make the claim that anyone who dissents from any official teaching has not, by definition, "properly" formed his or her conscience. .
He defined this "anthropological regression" as "a weakening of the institution that is thousands of years old and that was forged by nature and anthropology."
Anthropology created marriage? (He might be on to something!) And isn't appealing to both "nature" and mere "thousands of years" problematic unless that nature is subordinate to the human activity of those thousands of years, a historically conditioned nature? The only way this "nature" can be "Nature" as in the laws of the natural world is if we accept that only "thousands of years" ago, God created men and women who acted according to Nature. Otherwise, any earlier human beings would have had a different social order that was "against Nature". Huge holes open up when the reason in 'Faith and Reason' refuses to be reasonable.
But most Catholics aren't Genesis fundementalists, which creates a problem for the marriage primordial: if they acknowledge that the human species is older than the institution of marriage, then they cannot defend marriage as anything more than historical convention by appealing to nature (which allowed an earlier social order), anthropology (categories of which are therefore, admittedly fluid), or Genesis (which is not literal and in which marriage at Creation must be considered an anachronism). Bergoglio does not appeal to Genesis because Catholicism isn't biblical literalism. However, his appeal to history ("thousands of years") has the ring of Ussher to it. Why not 10,000 years? 50,000? Are they confused by or just unconcerned with 'real existing anthropology' so to speak?
Either Catholics would have to become biblical fundementalists and jettison their tradition of Christian Faith and Reason (ahem, aka Catholicism) all for the sake of defending the Church of Don't Be Gay - or they will adopt a dishonest and patchwork 'alternative natural science' in order to attack and marginalize the unclean.
Anne Chapman,
Having read Fides et Ratio three or four times, I'm unable to conclude that Pope John Paul II discouraged thinking. In fact, he pratically pleads with people to return to a "love of wisdom" to help them answer life's "fundamental questions." It's a remarkable document and I enthusiastically recommend it.
" --- this tactical proctocal is a moral outrage."
There must be a branch of theology dedicated to proctocality that can handle this. Would a practitioner thereof be called a Proctocologist?
" Have they used the same standards for other teachers - for example, what about any teacher who is divorced but receives communion? what about any teacher who may be involved in an extra-marital affair? what about any teacher who may be living with a significant other? (is the real test here the fact that this *marriage* became public? Is that really the core., dividing line?)"
In the words of Bl. Ronald Reagan The Great (rumor has it that, with the new funding standards in place, his sainthood is a shoo-in in 2016):
"There you go again!"
There is much unknown in this from the legal viewpoint about the contract and prior understandings, it seems.However, what the example and reflection will be among the students is of great interest. It isa "teachable moment," but what are they being taught? About the Church? About sexuality? About commitment? I would bet that more than 75% of these youth will look on this incident in the future...from a distance from the institutional Church.
I should have added one more phrase-- "...and who would blame them?"
Actions like the firing of Zmuda used to be justfied as necessary to avoid giving scandal to innocent and tender consciences, especially those of the young. How it has come about I don't know, but young people now seem to be the age group least shocked and scandalized by the living arrangements of others. They haven't learned this live-and-let-live approach in classrooms, certainly not Catholic ones, and they probably did not pick it up from parents, who often don't exhibit it themselves. So perhaps it is partly a reaction to reports from here and around the world of the horrific treatment often meted out to certain people merely for being who they are, and even more, a wholehearted response to "love thy neighbor." These students may well fulfill parents' dearest hope of having children better than they are themselves.
The real scandal (stumbling block) to pretty much everyone is the church discriminating against gay people. It's reminiscent of the Mormon Church's early policy and recism.
This whole episode reminds me of how catholic high school used to deal with teenage pregnancies - student was quietly removed from school. Yet, there were usually no reprecussions for the football quarterback who got her pregnant.
Double standards appear to be alive and well!
Michael Paulson has an article in the NYTimes today about Eastside but also linking to newspaper reports of firings in 8 other states
Paulson wrote the Religion column for the Boston Globe for a number of years and did a good job of it. After the Globe went through a cutback and discontinued the Religion column, he moved to the New York Times - apparently as a general assignment reporter since this is the first religion-related article i have seen from him at the NYTimes.
Claire: Bruce, that's not how we Catholics think. We don't think exclusively and automatically in terms of laws and rules to figure out what is right. Rules are there to help us but are not the last word.
Church teaching on any sexual activity outside of marriage is quite clear and has been for 2000 years. Further, Church teaching on gay marriage is equally clear. While that might not be the exclusive source of guidance for us Catholics, I certainly find it quite unsettling and angst provoking when my conscience seems to disagree with such a clear teaching. And I'm not smart or confident enough to face down people like Aquinas and Augustine. So if Mr. Zmuda thinks he's being led by his conscience in another direction, it seems to me he should have humbly and quietly walked away from the school.
Bruce: and then, when people don't respect that teaching, what should one do? What is the "correct decision"? Is that so clear?
"Church teaching on any sexual activity outside of marriage is quite clear and has been for 2000 years. Further, Church teaching on gay marriage is equally clear. While that might not be the exclusvie source of guidance for us Catholics, I certainly find it unsettling and angst provoking when my conscience seems to disagree with such a clear teaching."
Church teaching on human slavery was "quite clear and [had] been for 2000 years."
"As recently as June 20, 1866, the Holy Office had upheld the slave trade as moral. The justification was based both on philosophy (natural law) and on revelation (divine law). Various quotations from Scripture were cited in support of this position...The Fathers of the Church and local church councils, laws, Popes, and theologians were cited in the attempt to show that the approval of slavery was part of an unbroken, universal tradition" (Thomas Bokenkotter, A CONCISE HISTORY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, pp. 487-488).
"Also close to the era of Vatican II, Karl Rahner...published the thirtieth edition of DENZINGER. This authoritative and convenient handbook, first produced in 1854...contained the teaching of popes and councils from Clement I in the first century to the date of the edition...Not a single word repudiating or condemning slavery occurred in the collection" (p. 117).
Yet Vatican II bishops finally condemned slavery. Why?
According to CCC-1785, we "are guided by the authoritative teaching of the Church." A guide is a resource, not a mandate.
Had you been around back in the day in 1866, would you have "[found] it unsettling and angst provoking" if your conscience had disagreed "with such a clear teaching," to wit, that slavery was justified by recourse to both natural and divine law?
Church teaching on any sexual activity outside of marriage is quite clear and has been for 2000 years. Further, Church teaching on gay marriage is equally clear.
It seems to me that the issue is not Church teaching on premarital sex or same-sex marriage. It's what the Church teaching is on hiring and firing "homosexual persons." I really don't think there is a "Church teaching" that, since the Catholic Church opposes same-sex marriage, the principal of a Catholic school must fire a vice principal who enters into a same-sex marriage but is free to hire "homosexual persons" as part-time, seasonal contractors.
"Claire January 23, 2014 - 11:26am
Bruce: and then, when people don't respect that teaching, what should one do? What is the "correct decision"? Is that so clear?"
From "The Crisis of AUTHORITY in the Catholic Modernity" by Michael Lacey:
--- The gap between clergy and laity does not measure apostasy but rather points to the problems facing merely formal authority and the need to narrow the distance between it and the deeper grades of legitimacy and trust. The numbers show that the leaders of the Church seem too remote, too caught up in the formalities of office to be taken seriously, too prone to flattering themselves when they claim that by God's design they speak for everyone on the difficult moral and political issues of life.
A necessary starting point for any improvement in the life of the Church is candid discussion and debate within it, a point registered by most within the Church. That such a simple thing may be impossible at the moment shows how deep the crisis of authority has become. Observers of church affairs are mindful of the unhappy fate of Cardinal Bernadin's common ground initiative of 1996, which had this aim. What is needed is to start with the problems of Catholics who are divorced and remarried, to rethink celibacy in the priesthood, the greater roles of women in the church, and the issue of contraception under specific circumstances."
The authority of the magisterium has been fractured for so many reasons since Vatican II. Has modernity infected many in the clergy, most theologians and laity with a cancer that distorts the workings of God's spirit? Are most of the members of the Body of Christ adrift in sinful behaviors, invincible ignorance and ills of modernity? Can Catholics follow their informed consciences if certain church teachings are in marked tension with human experience? Can those that disagree be faithful to Christ and His Spirit?
The issue of authority must be understood and balanced against a theology of non-reception if we want to move the conversation forward and resolve the Crisis of Authority and Truth in our Church.
Some interesting background material on this issue: http://ncronline.org/blogs/young-voices/knights-columbus-redefine-charity-giving-bishops
- KCs paid for special bishops workshops not on medical ethics but on gay marriage, etc. Three speakers are previewed who hold non-scientific and non-professional beliefs - counter to documented studies, professionally staffed boards of certifications, etc.
Who sits on the USCCB board to schedule these things:
Chaput - episcopal cultural warrior (not in tune with the approach of Francis)
Nienstedt - wasted more than $1 mil on political campaign against same sex marriage and now on leave over sexual abuse issues
George - another cultural warrior and embroilled himself in abuse scandal and waiting for his replacement to be appointed
(would suggest that Sartrain falls in line with Chaput (think LCWR investigation and his own multiple abuse scandals in Joliet)
Article ends with:
"The Knights of Columbus leadership themselves could benefit from an ethics workshop, one that focuses on the difference between politics and charity."
The comment I posted @ 12:40 was originally made by Michael J. Barberi, December 26, 2011 - 9:11pm
Per CCC-1935, "The equality of men rests essentially on their dignity as persons and the rights that flow from it:
"Every form of social or cultural discrimination in fundamental personal rights on the grounds of sex, race, color, social conditions, language, or religion must be curbed and eradicated as incompatible with God's design." Sexual orientation is not mentioned.
CCC-2357 describes "homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity...intrinsically disordered...contrary to the natural law." CCC-2358 describes homosexuality as a "tendenc[y]...inclination...objectively disordered". "Every sign of *unjust* discrimination in their regard should be avoided" (emphasis added). Is it unjust, therefore, to fire a teacher who has entered into a same-sex marriage, i.e., a union "incompatible with God's design"?
According to CCC-912, "The faithful should '...[remember] that in every temporal affair they are to be guided by a Christian conscience since no human activity, even of the temporal order, can be withdrawn from God's dominion.'" Is same-sex marriage not part of "God's dominion"?
Given increasing Catholic support in the USA (and elsewhere?) for same-sex marriage, perhaps the official teachers (the hierarchs) need to revisit current doctrine on homosexuality and revise the CCC accordingly??? Rome certainly set a precedent with respect to doctrinal change on human slavery: The conciliar fathers at Vatican II learned from the rest of us that slavery is morally wrong and could no longer be justified by natural or divine law.
I obviously cannot speak for him, but one at least wonders if Pope Francis might not take a different position from the one given by Cardinal Bergolio. The current Pope has indicated that on occassion his views on social issues were criticized by the Vatican. Given his comments on homosexuality since becoming Pope, his position might be less strident. As far as the anthopology of marriage, one certainly wouldn't look to the Old Testament for support, at least not for one man-one woman marriage. At least a fair number of the patriachs had multiple wives and not a few had concubines as well.
Perhaps part of the problem is the conservative wing's efforts to normalize discrimination - this article at NCR is about the Knights of Colombus sponsoring workshops for and giving money to US bishops to oppoose LGBT equality ... http://ncronline.org/blogs/young-voices/knights-columbus-redefine-charit...
One of the more frightening aspects of the KoC's efforts to educate US bishops on these issues is the involvement of someone like Dr. Richard Fitzgibbons.
Fitzgibbons is dangerous on many levels. He actually still believes in reparative therapy for gay teens. This long ago discredited pseudo-psychology harms children and adults, leads to self-hatred and even suicide.
If this weren't bad enough he has a history of convincing bishops that despite evidence to the contrary, pedophiles in the employ of the church are not pedophiles.
Richard Fitzgibbons, who examined Ratigan in January after disturbing photographs of children were found on the priest's computer, is an adviser to Opus Bono Sacerdotii, according to the group's website. The nonprofit organization provides services to accused and imprisoned priests, including financial, legal and emotional support.
After his evaluation, Fitzgibbons told Finn that Ratigan was not a pedophile and that his pornography problem was a result of loneliness and depression, according to a report commissioned by the Kansas City-St. Joseph Diocese.
Finn relied on Fitzgibbons' opinion in his decision to send Ratigan to a Vincentian mission house in Independence, where he remained a priest and allegedly continued to take lewd photographs of children, the report said.
It would appear that Finn "doctor-shopped" for a psychiatrist who would "go soft" on Ratigan. At the time, Fitzgibbons was identified as a board member of NARTH, and the doctor's resume/CV did not show board certification in psychiatry. As I recall, even a new medical school graduate can practice a medical specialty without certification, and no doubt there are competent physicians who have either not sought board certification or have allowed it to lapse. Nonetheless, such certification is considered a "plus" by most physicians. If Fitzgibbons is not board-certified, why not?
Because he rejects the APA, etc. best practices and violates their standards by *preaching* and using treatments that have been rejected by professional boards, by peer reviewed colleagues, etc.
The Eastside Catholic situation is symtomatic of a larger problem which the Church faces on the whole question of homosexuality. Put most simply, it is on the wrong side of history. Virtually every survey shows support for gay marriage growing, not slowing. Even among self identifed Republicans it has grown by 6% over the past decade. While still a substantial minority within that group, the trend is clear even there. Among younger folks, it is barely debateable. Recent surveys put support at 70 plus percent. Even seniors are now over 50% in favor. And as it becomes more and more common,these numbers aren't going to go down. The other point is that once given, it is rare in western democracies from rights to be taken away. So this isn't changing in the near future either. The bottom line here is that much like Church teaching on birth control, the teaching here is going to be ignored at best, and will drive prople from the Church at worst.
One other note here. At some point, certain "teachings" become irrelevent. People have used the example of slavery which wasn't formally changed until the 1960s as an example of a teaching which was wrong. I would agree with that, but would argue that certainly in the West, and certainly by 1880 or so it was utterly irrelevent what the Church tought on the subject. It was just not practiced and nobody bothered to even consider the official teaching of the Church. I think one could make the same argument on birth control. When 90% of Catholic couples ignore a teaching, it doesn't matter whether it is formally changed or not. I can't remember the last time I heard a priest raise this matter. They look out and see the families in the pews with 2-3 kids evenly spaced and understand that there was something besides the Holy Ghost at work. It really doesn't matter because it is just not anything that Catholics worry about or even consider anymore. Within a decade, if it isn't already, the teaching on homosexuality will be in the same catagorey. The practice will be generally accepted and nobody will even bother to look at what the church officially teaches.
I think that's exactly right, Jim Dunn. If an institution takes the long view—and what view is longer than the Church's?—it can let oblivion do the work of rescission and never have to admit, even to itself, that it is wrong. Of course, during the transition, real people are harmed for what turns out to be no good reason. And the Church is shamed for doing what it would condemn in its own members, purposeful forgetting to avoid responsibility. Strangely, that is thought to be the way to preserve its teaching authority.
Jim Dunn,
Thank you for your thoughtful reply and contributions to this thread.
One obstacle to the damnatio memoriae of obsolete teachings is that the institutional church, through its most vocal defenders, champion those same obsolete teachings as proof of the Church's legitimacy (e.g. a voice in the desert, etc) and, furthermore, increasingly identify the entire Christian faith with those obsolete teachings.
People often mention the slavery issue for a comparison. But the issue of, "who will be the slaves?" rarely disturbs Rome's cosmology. Instead, we should look to the abolition of feudalism, during which the Church took (i.e. had arrived at over the years) a position that almost saw Roman Catholicism abolished. The institutional church can't even read the riot act to some kids at a school in Seattle and yet they're doubling down on the anti-gay, anti-women agenda.
This feels more like the anti-democratic intransigence that almost saw the end of the Church than it does the blase shoulder shrug given about the ending of slavery.


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I'd like to see more detailed press conferences and team talks. Two or three part replies would be brilliant, ie at half time when winning
"You've done great but"
"You're playing poorly so"
"I know you can do better than this so"
added to, for example
"you can play better"
"don't let your game drop"
"finish this game off for the supporters"
This would give so many more options, at the moment I find myself choosing the same options over and over again. The same with press conferences, ie to the question, "how are X team doing?"
"They're doing well"
"They're had a poor season"
"I can see them picking up"
mixed with
"but that won't last"
"and they're only going to improve"
"but they still won't win anything"
Also, the ability to release your own press conferences, for example if one of your players is getting a lot of transfer speculation or if you're three points from qualification and want to spur on the team. Similar to Manager Interaction, sort of thing. Obviously you wouldn't be able to use it all the time or it would be abused, but just once or twice a season.
Dunno if this has been said, I'm not going to read 37 pages of comments, but for me a big this is a BULK LOAN OFFER! You can bulk transfer offer 50 players if you want, but to offer on loan you still have to go through each person to do it. Annoying.
Testimonials? Would be a nice little addition in the game, long serving player getting a testimonial with players who played for the club in his time at the club playing for them. Even better if a legendary manager at the club takes control of the game.
Also would be nice if the game could recognize players you are fond of in the game (possibly always sign them when moving clubs) and add a favourred personel section in your profile? Same with if you stay with a team for a long time?
Just a few suggestions.
In addition to testimonials, the ability to manage a Europe XI side or something. Occasionally IRL there are World XI vs Europe XI, etc, this would be fun to do in the game too!
Oh and also the ability to see the gamedate when you are loading/saving a game. So not only the real world date when the game was saved but also what date it was when the game was saved.
Besides the overall fix/improve existing features,
I have one main wish (for the third consecutive year) Much better and clear feedback about traning. Stats constantly go up and down and in most cases I (or any average FM player) can not explain why. Ok, I admit it works fine in a sense so that when a player is young it is mostly improving and declining after certain age but still I dont think user has enough control over the process on both cases(increase/decrease)
My second wish and I believe this is easier to implement for SI. Have an option to save permanently player profiles even after retirement in case user wants it. I hate to see my favoritute player ages and then disappers from game completely if he is not into coaching. Maybe a small option in player interaction saying "Remain visible Forever" can do it. So we can go back to that profile any time and look at the stats to remember old days. If he comes to make some comments on the media it is even better
If this causes database size problems, user can be limited to save up to 20 or whatever profile. I actually do not believe 20 extra profile matters much assuming in a normal game we are having over ten thousands profiles active.
We've been discussing this on http://fmdiscussion.com/forums/ and we thought:
- Player stats being more accurate for example Ibrahimovic is overrated.
- The 3D match engine being more realistic, I know it's not important but it'd be nicer
- Expand the tactics of the game, to add more depth in the game
- Better press conferences, the responses on the one now is rubbish!
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I would want:
-More depth in tactics and player interaction
-Better researching , by this I mean more on target attributes and heights
-More realistic goalscoring figures.Too many strikers and midfielders score 20-30 goals per season whereas in real life they barely do.
I would love it if the histories of players showed that stats from all competitions (minus Non competative) and not just league its annoys me.
A skin that actually makes me go wow that some fine work instead of a slightly different one each year.
A bug free game.
More licenses.
All taken from different users.
I think i've aid it a few times on this thread but.......
Agents, agents, agents and agents.
jimbo - why do you want agents? players would just want more wages
every single blade of grass to be individually rendered in glorious directx 10.
I don't get why so many people don't like the default skin, I think it's clear and crisp.
A colour wheel for the default skin would probably be a good idea though, even if it's just the equivilent of running the whole thing through a saturation filter.
hi, I would love to be able to still see the current/potential ratings of players out on loans. So far I can get scouting report on the players when they play in a game, but with injuries I would like to be able to look at my reserve squad and know which loan player to recall.
If there is a way to see the current/potential rating of a player on loan please tell me
Yeah you should still have a coach report for players out on loan, this is something silly that's missing from the game.
With really young players (15 year olds) at a good club with great youth facilities you should be able to train them up and improve them. For example scouting a boy from the local area, giving him intensive passing and tackling training and when he is good enough could be a decent player with eg 15 for tackling and passing.
I heard a few years ago that Manchester United could pick a kid that had never kicked a ball before and turn him into a decent premier league player, it would be nice if we could do something similar in fm and have it work.
Also with lower league teams if you have good relationships with other staff (thats a new feature too - being able to have relationships with other staff, not just managers) then you could bring a free agent former decent championship coach to work at the lower league club and also improve the players with the idea above, with intensive sessions. This would give lower league clubs a chance at developing good talent despite not having good facilities or youth set up.
Some other ideas:
One to one chats with players - these also shouldn't appear in the news as they are private
Design your own set plays on the 3d pitch - with complete freedom to do WHATEVER
Desing your own training like total club manager 2004
With media - have the same questions writen lots of different ways (like 50 times) which will give variation
More big match build up
A fan page - like the squad page but has fan info on it such as away fans, attendance graph, change ticket price, arrests - and you have the option to ban them, members, fanclubs
A kit selector/generator for when you change kits/sponsers at the end of the season
Better quality graphics on the 3d match
Monthly board meetings
You have a say in the sponsor
Keep the transfer fees realistic - not having stupid fees like £60 million for a player - they don't exist at the moment so please son't have them in.
Leading on from the last point - world inflation, if prices in England are generally high the player prices are going to be high to, if prices fall then player prices should fall and we have more realistic fees again.
Coaching badges
Coaching courses - improve your attributes
Senarios - save a team from relegation with 5 games to go, win the world cup
An improved editor so we can change the rules of the leagues
Player star signs in the game so we can build a team based on when each of the players was born in the year, like raymond domenech with france, would help team balance.
Basically fm10 needs to be bloody good to make up for the dissapiontment of fm09 and fm08 being the same as 07. If the game was complete now then SI could release data updates every year which we would pay for and maybe just release a new game every 2/3 years.
Players in the FM universe are now highly-developed, complex characters with many factors that impact their development, morale and performance, and yet -- still -- outside of match day, the only way we can interact with them or provide feedback is via the media. It's felt like quite an oversight for a few versions now, and increasingly so as time marches on, given the increasing complexity and involvement we're given in other areas of the simulation.
It'd be great to be able to take a lad aside and give him some quiet encouragement in a personal chat, or conversely, perhaps give another a royal bollocking in front of the rest of the squad. Likewise, communication from the players to the manager could be greatly increased and expanded as well; senior players could be a lot more communicative directly, with perhaps suggestions as to who the players feel are training well, or not fitting in with the group, or pushing for selection etc. Currently, we can click our way to the opinion another manager has of ourselves, but most often there's little or no feedback available as to what our players think of us, or of where our relationships stand with our players.
Some or all of this could of course still make its way to the media, but it shouldn't have to be done via the media. Player relations all seem a bit cart-before-horse at the moment, and I can't help but feel that this is the area most in need of being fleshed out - it is, after all, a key, integral part of management at any level.
Having said that, I realise that simulating human character and communication is no simple task, but given the great job done regarding all other facets of the game, no doubt this will be brought to the same standard in coming years. I look forward to it!
more specefied half time critisism not just "i want to see more of u" heres an example of what i mean: if u often on forward runs and ur striker stil doesnt try to get in the space u should be able to say "get in the box more" or if a players passing suck u should be able to say "u need to improve ur passing" there should be a skill perhaps Professionalism and adaptability that would govern how well ur player would listen to u and adapt his game without changing ur original tactics. ofcourse u cannot demand to much of bad players
professionalism and adaptability are already skills...
but yes, i agree with you. more detailed team talks.
get rid of steam.
i know the skills are already there i meant they should use them or make a new skill sorry if i didnt get that across
i would like to be able to tell my players to hug the line for such an such a match, i want you to be on the shoulder of the last defender, you pass it into the channels and you snap him in half as soon as he has the ball but only the guy i say so
a linesman that puts his flag up when my guy is offside by a millimeter
like other people have is to be able to bark out the orders from the touchline and to give dogs abuse to the officials when i disagree with their clearly wrong decision
it would be good to also have all the team talk options on matchday instead of the same for when your winning or when your losing
if players have disputes i'd like to talk about it and not have every player interaction go to the media
also i'd like to tell players no argueing with the ref, leave that to me like barca have done irl, what the ref says goes
i've read it a couple of times and once i have read 1 bit i forget the last i just think instead of having to adjust the sliders and all that i think it would be better for some (maybe not all) to have the option of going hey you 'hug that line regardless of where the opponents are'
you know what i mean, to me it would be more realistic telling your players what to do in a match and it would save alot of time if your a team that has to change tactics for most matches
Just a small thing, but could it be possible to get job alerts - ie when a manager gets sacked you get the message to your inbox if you choose a certain option.
Would help a lot with career games...
Don't know if it's already been said but the main thing i'd like to see is if tactics can be set for each individual player rather than the team position! For eg if u substitute a DM for a AM i don't want to see the DM having a free role and bombing forward, i want him to be doing his DM role.
Also if you bid for a player by agreeing to pay the minimum release clause the club should have to allow the player to speak to you!
Improved offide calls from the linesman. Instead of letting you run 50 yards and then having a goal ruled out, they could call it offside straight away.
Also, introduce the Northern Premier League, Isthmian and Ryman League.
Maybe develop the manager side of it. You get your career earnings, but can't do anything with it. Perhaps become a chairman?? And maybe allow you to become an assistant manager at clubs as well for those who like building careers. I know the Game is a management sim, but it would be a great addition.
Give instruction to players (not only at beggining/half-time/end of game)
have an option to select favourite player (to improve relationships - AI managers can)
better youth players coming through the ranks of all teams.
OK, to begin with, I've only been playing this game since Xmas Day, so forgive me if any of these suggestions are already included later on in the game.
First off, I'd like to congratulate SI on the improvement of Team Reports, in that each report can now be viewed with all the different positions that that particular player can play in. However, I do think that this aspect of the game can still be improved further, to give more flexibility and make it more user friendly:
1. If you were at Arsenal with scouts who have 20/20 on Scouting CA/PA, and asked them to provide a scout report, they would come back with an extremely comprehensive report after just researching that particular player. Say that player was from a L1 club, for example. The coaches there are by no means world class, and their coach report can be very bare and limited. However, regardless of the attributes of each coach/scout, surely if a coach is working with a player day in day out, they will be able to provide an in-depth report? One thing I would advise SI to be aware of are new coaches should only have a limited knowledge of each player for a while, and those coaches who work in the youth team should have a better knowledge of the youth players than the first team coaches.
2. In the weaknesses column of a coach/scout report, I often see that a certain player has a particular named weakness as opposed to 'X doesn't have any weaknesses'. However, I think that each strength and weakness on the reports should be relevant to the position they play in. For example, I've seen as a weakness that 'X is an awful set piece taker'. The player in question was a CB. It's not an important attribute for him, so therefore it wouldn't be a weakness. However, if you were to say he was a magnificent set piece taker, under strengths, that would be relevant as you're being alerted to the fact that this CB is out-of-the-ordinary. Thus, the reports would definitely change if you were to look at a report for a CB as opposed to a ST.
3. I think a useful, and fairly cosmetic feature would be to name the training schedule and the players happiness with the schedule under 'Training' I know you can see that on the training section, but it's an important part of the player and would make it more user-friendly. Also, if a player was learning a new position or a new preferred move, this could be mentioned also.
4. Finally, under 'Recommendation'. I often see 'X has the potential to become a ....'. I have no problem with this, because it's very useful, and it should be kept. However, I do believe if you provide this in a coach/scout report, then you should provide underneath it, the current assessment. For example, under 'Recommendation' say:
'X has the potential to become a ....'--- and then...
'X is currently a ....' / 'X should be considered .... currently'
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Manager bonuses for winning trophies like the players get.
in tactics a slider for crosses height preference: low,mixed and high.
Any chance of an option in the Boardroom screen to demand a better contract? It seems odd that I should wait for one to be offered when I've had an outstanding season and feel my salary should be adjusted ..
Is Request a new contract not already in the Board Request options?
I seem to remember it being there in 08?
Ah I see now.
*Stands Corrected and looking Stupid*
I would like the option to let my Assistant Manager coach games. I could give general directions to the Ass Man or just hire the best Ass Man that I can and let him do the job.
EHM 2007 has this option so it must be possible.
Some people like to coach so let them coach, but others prefer to concentrate on management so they should have that option.
definetely pictures for the premiership teams and player pictures, be able to be coach or assistant, be able to do something with the money you earn, LIVE THE SOCIAL LIFE!
There are a mountain of posts here, so appologies if this has already been mentioned.
As you see a few times, not often but sometimes, a club may often buy a pair of players or more in one go for a nominal fee - so perhaps an option in the transfers section to possibly buy 2 or more players from a club for a combined price rather than buying individually.
Only other one I can think of at the moment is perhaps the chance, when in matches, to be able to get benched players to warm up. You see them on the sidelines randomly running up and down - but whether its just me or not, its the players that I don't want to put on the pitch that are warming up, the one I want to warm up is sat on his backside - Maybe a slightly cosmetic feature, but could have its perks.
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I would like to suggest the improvements to the ME below
1) more in-depth commentary. eg. Wingers running havoc on wing. Forwards have too much space. Att mid is creating a lot of through balls. Full backs are intercepting through balls. These commentaries although not very significant, trust me, it adds alot of satisfaction to us when we see these commentaries for our players.
2) divide the possession amount(on the action stats tab) not only by the length of the field, but also the width. That will make the field 3x3 box. This way, we have more info abt which area is weak and strong.
3) have a match stat which record the place where shots are taken. This way, we will come to know whether our shots are mostly long or short.
The suggestions above are not hard to implement I believe.
- Cut up the training in own-training and team-training. Then you can change the most important thinks, like reduce physical training when it`s many matches in a row, on team-training
- A possebility to ask the board for more money in one special thing, for exampel an transfer. If you only have 5 million pund, and Zenit offers you Arshavin for 8 million, you can ask the board for 3 more millions
- Different types of feeder-clubs. For exampel one for economy dispensers, a local loaning-club or and feeder-club for developing talents.
- More media attention for big transfers, like press-conference if one of the best players on earth moves from one club to another.
- A possebility to call into an press-conference yourself if you have somethink to say.
- A possebility to come with date`s for when a fan-day could be. If your team needs more back-up in a hard period, you could ask the board for a fan-day.
- More different questions on press-conference, and more questions on press-conference`s
- In the match-overview you should se where the ball was played most; in the middle on on the wings.
- Traditional trainigcups like La manga, Amsterdam etc. should be on the game to.
- The players shouldn`t get red card for a collision
- Records should be counted in evry counting matches, not just liga-matches. It should be goales, matches etc.
- A guy less should automaticly meen that the opponent gets a lot of possibilities when you still have a full-backline.
- Substitutes should come up on the line where goales and card is.
- A possebility to talk to a player before and under a contract-negotiation so he is picking your club
- A harder press-conference. Thouse in Italy should be very long.
Evry one comes from the Norwegian site for football manager
In game:
- There should be a possibility to talk to the club for a transfer of a player after you signed him on Bosman for the next season - that team could have some extra money for transfering him now and you are already sure that you'll have the player anyway (now or after season)
- More transfer options - buy a player but leave him at his club longer than till the end of season (you could buy a promising non-EU youngster from a EU league and sign him after he gains EU passport or just leave him there for a while to develop more)
- Traning camps or something similar (where you can have a possibility to play frendlies at neutral ground, not just simple home/away)
- More improvement on assistant feedback and press conferences (maybe some online updates for press conference data?)
- More feedback from other staff (Directors) on transfers, especially in countries (not in UK) in which managers are mainly head coaches and charman or/and directors have more power when it comes to buying players
- More tactial options - expecially for set pieces (how do I setup "Szarańcza" ("Locust") now ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-Y13-5owCY#t=3m43s )
Technical, licences etc.:
- Beta-test the game more carefully to avoid serious bugs
- Use Steam for more often patching (like in other games)
- For more realistic research try to sign a contract with media that broadcast their domestic leagues (for example Canal+ in Poland) or with other media (http://imscouting.com/), plus maybe something like live, online database updates (you could choose a standard or a live database for more accurate player abilities when starting a new game)
Im unsure if it has been mentioned, its just i can't be bothered to read this thing for hours to find out, but my idea is that you can buy out the sell on clauses from the clubs you buy players from. Time and time again, whenever i really want a player, i always try to offer the best deal possible, but yet the opposing team always seems to want a sell on fee, so i normally accept their demands, only to be screwed seasons later when that player is worth millions upon millions and to give a heafty chunk of that to someone else, so it would be cool if you could buy out the sell on fee clauses and perhaps the other kinds too. A real life example of this has only happend recently with kevin doyle of reading, as steve coppell bought out his sell on fee clause with cork city, so now if doyle is sold, reading will retain the whole fee they sell him for
I'd like a new Training area called 'Passing'-currently to improve a players passing you have to bump up his attacking slider-not ideal for a full back.
I'd like it to go something like this
Passing-improves passing, first touch, (new stat) long balls etc
Attacking- improves creativity, flair, decision making etc
1. Scouts from your own club would surely know the level of your own players so there shouldn't need to be a difference between the star system from scouts and when a player has joined the club. Example: I scout a striker and my scouts (20/20) says this player is a quality signing and in the short list he gets 6 stars. I sign him for the better part of my transfer budget and once he's in my team he's rated like my 4th striker because compared to the rest of my strikers he's only 4 stars. I don't think this is realistic.
2. The clubs should never initially have more scouts/coaches/physios etc. than can be signed by you. Example: As Inter I had a lot of (crap) scouts when I joined so I fired the worst 3. Still when trying to sign a new useful one I get a message that I shuold have no more than 12 scouts and currently have 14. This seems to go for more staff positions in bigger clubs.
3. A graphical world map that shows what areas you are currently covering with you scouts team. This would give an instant overview as to where you scout/don't scout rather than clicking every scout, one by one, and taking manual notes on the side. When you get to have 15+ scouts it's very hard to get the full picture.
4. Buy and loan back. This surely has been mentioned before but since it's not in FM2009 I bring it up again. It would be nice to buy youngsters and have the possibility to loan them back to the club you bought them from so that they can keep developing. Loan back periods for up to 2-3 years would be nice.
5. Hall of fame points only get awarded if you win trophies which is perfectly fine. Though if you finish second in all competitions a season you will end up with 0 points and I have the feeling it takes longer time for your reputation to build up. In the older versions there was a system where you got points as you progressed in competitions and in the league so when you had a good run in a cup with a poor team you still accumulated points that showed you had a good season. Maybe this is still done in the background but that I'm not aware of in that case.
Can only hope this gets read by someone who can say yes or no or maybe.
Simple idea, player highlight. Click on a player in the 1st 11, so when on the 2D/3D pitch they have a circle round them or highlighted in some way, so i know where he is on the pitch and can see if he is where i expect him to be. I know there are numbers on the 2d view, but in 3D view only the players names come up when involved in key play.
Please consider as this is probably the best idea ever.
Not sure if these points have been mentioned or not, i'd be surprised if they haven't but;
1) When advertising jobs and it returns a list of potentials, a chance to say no to ones you dont want, so that if you continue the advert, you dont get their application again. i.e turning away unsuccesful applicants.
2) Scout reports. When you send your scout off and he comes back with a list of 54 people, i'm not interested in the 1 star/2 star players, so the ability to cross of the list and not keep seeing that same rubbish player reappearing on subsequent scout lists.
The 3D engine & press conferences have to be improved (and I'm sure they will in time) but also:
(a) I would like to see more leagues included. I know with licencing it's not always possible but it is a wish list.
(b) The option to take an assistant manager or under age job (rather than just the full magerial role) with an international side while you are still a club manager. This would only be for international sides rather than having to start as a reserve team coach and work your way up at club level.
(c) More action/reaction from agents. They may have ruined football financially but if it's realism we're striving for in the game they need to be there.
(d) More balance in the regens. Too many good players aged 20 or under.
(e) Change the tactical sliders to have 4-5 click points (e.g tacking would have none, soft, average, hard, aggressive) for each tactical option rather than a sliding bar with points all along it.
My apologies if these have been mentioned but I didn't have the time to trawl through all the posts.
That if you loan a youngster from a smaller club you have the option, while agreeing on price, to loan him back to the club straight away.
sorry if this has been posted already, and sorry if this has made it into fm o9, i'm still playing fm 08
i'd really like to see visual representations of the statistical feedback i get from the home/away stats screen at the end of a match
for example from the stats screen i can see that my striker has taken 4 shots on goal and 1 shot was on target, it would be great to see this represented visually, with an image of the pitch and visual indicators marking out where those four shots were taken from, and different colours used to represent the shots that were on target and those that weren't
this would be a great help as it might show if your striker is trying to many long shots, for example
another example, from the stats screen i can see that my central midfielder has attempted 40 passes and completed 32, a visual representation of this with a pitch and coloured markers showing where these passes were made would really help
this would help as, for example, it might show that your midfielder is attempting a lot of passes from deep, which would allow you to make decisions on what kind of passing setting you give him depending on how you want your tactic to work
I would like the Assistant Manager to suggest tactics such as Formation, team and player instructions before a match. I can then look at the recommendation and accept it or change it.
One of the suggestions that I would like to make is about loaning players.
Sometimes I loan player out, so he can improve himself but the team doesnt let him play, therefore he doesnt get much match experiences.. So, I'm thinking that when we loan player out to club, we can tell the team that they have to let him lets say at least 10 minimum games or something.. So we would know which teams are offering him more game experiences, and we could loan the player to that team.
Sorry if this has been mentioned.
I want a feature to save/load the 'opponent instructions' before&in a match.
Because everytime I have exactly the same opponent instructions set for particular formation, say standard 4-4-2, but I have to click the mouse 44 times before every match which is just tedious repeating.
I would like to see a manager picking a certain managerial style to follow such as scientific and staff brought in such as sports scientists, or develop youngsters taking arsene wenger approach.
Also players off field problems to come into game
- Get the old arrows back, so we could set the player to run to the side.
- A possebility to do more fancy stuff on corners, freekicks etc.
- Lower league-system in England. Lower then Blue Square North/South
- More leagues from other countryes
- The agents should take contact with the clubs about their players.
- "The fans criticize the manager becaus he wont change his tactic". This comes up even when I change the tactic many times, and it shouldn`t
- A easyer tactic-system, so it becomes easyer to get the players to play the football you like.
- More negotiations between the clubs
- Longer contract-negotiation between the players and the clubs.
- More raports on the players peronality, both good and bad.
- More scouting-opertunities, like "watch youtube", "se a game", "find out evrything" etc.
- Trainers in other clubs with different playing-type then you will criticize you when yours club doesn`t do it so well, and you play another type of football then they like.
- The trainers should have more ambition.
- Investorgroups that helps the clubs with buying players, but they also takes a small part of the money you get inn for sales.
- Bigger differents from world-class clubs and amateurclubs. On the amateurclubs the players should skip more trainigs and go to bar more often etc.
- A possebility to get an invitation to meet the fans (Pressconference-style)
- PLayers-meetings when the club do it bad. The players is asking asking for it themself to.
- A hole seperat training-staff from the A-team and youth-team. The trainers shouldn`t train both.
- More criticism from the press and fans when your club is doing it bad, and you play a style that it`s different from the region/country you play in.
- Involve the trainers from the big clubs in the league about the national team, like the last retreat, or how the national team does it. Even though your not the trainer for the natonal team.
- Third divisjon in Norway
- Transfer-moneys have to be payed by the clubs that buys a manager from an another club.
- Press-conference when you leave your job.
- The most national team should demand that the manager only have the national team. For exmapel would England never accepted that Fabio Cappelo had a second job now.
- More information when you are offered a new contract. What is the club`s ambition, how much wil they give you in transfermoneys etc.
With the huge ammount of posts im sure this has been mentioned:
- Fix the bugs
- Sponsorship: regardless of how well known you are you still get the same woeful sponsorship. You don't get any extra or new ones besides the kit sponsor. I would like to see this much more advanced so that when you get into the year 2020 you can still enjoy the game as much. Without new improved sponsorship you can't compete financially with the big boys.
- Improve sound: the sound is woeful in this game as it has been since its first release. There is no excuse for not having far better sound quality for matches. Your local library has plenty of sample CDs to chose from where you use loyalty free samples. There are also hundreds of free samples kicking around the net. No excuses! this is something that needs to be improved substantially.
- Improved 3D graphics: Although they are very good I still feel there are improvements to be made. The graphics for the stadiums and the what is supposed to be a running track are hideous. There is no crowd which is disappointing.
- Another 2D options view: I love how you made a new 2D option to view the matches. I would like to see a another one with the old ones kept for good measure. That way it will keep it fresh and those who love the 2D can enjoy it even more.
- 'Intelligence' stat for the mental attributes.
Last edited by Jay-Producer; 08-01-2009 at 00:07. Reason: update
I would like to see match fixing!!!You or your chairman could buy referies as long as you don't get cought.
can we have the injury time sorted, its constantly 4mins plus which is unrealistic, only big teams get all the time they need to steal a result
here's a suggestion:
I would like a happy birthday message from the board, speaking of which, in commentary, when playing a match on the birthday, the commentator should mention (when winning) something about the best present a team can give the manager on his/her birthday.
I would also like to form a backroom staff that sticks together (like van Basten with van 't Schip and Witschge).
When managing in England, I would like to get notices about the fact that my players (or some) went on the **** the night before and need a talking to.
Would like different levels of Fanclub shops (for generating extra income).
I would like a more realistic sponsoring sceme, for example: Ajax has 12mil Euro p/a for shirtsponsoring and a 10 year contract with Adidas for 8milj euro p/a, in the game this doesnt happen.
I would like to be able to pick countries where I want my feeder clubs to excist.
better player interaction , i would like to have options to talk to a player who is unsettled and try to cheer him up ?
Might have been suggested before, but my main gripe about FM is how difficult and time-consuming it can be to create and develop tactics within a game. A lot of the time I end up playing the same match over and over (by quitting without saving) to see what tactic works best in that particular match. This is not fun. What would be absolutely perfect for tactic creation would be the option of playing a single match, using any pick of players from the database you like, playing any opposition you like, home or away. Think this is possible?
Every AI manager in the game has coaching capabilities. It would be good if human managers had the same. This would be especially helpful in LLM.
I really think that for FM10 or in the next patch, there should be an option to cancel any substitutes or tactical changes or any changes in general during a match after you've clicked "confirm changes". Reason being is that something can happen during the time you click confirm for the change and when the change actually happens which would sometimes warrant no changes. So yeah, please SI, give this some consideration.
I believe future loan moves should be introduced
Save your own presets for player instructions such as "Fullback" "DC" etc, as mine differ from the defeaults, and often I set my DL to certain settings then have to copy them to the DR, if we could save our own that would be easier.
Similarly saving default OI sets to avoid doing the same thing prior to every match.
Just a small suggestion that would make a little cosmetic difference: biggest transfers ever. Would be cool when you have to spend >£46M on a player for it to say "Team just broke world transfer record with the £XXm signing of..." Or even have a list of the 10/20 biggest transfer fees. It happens in real life:
no bugs please.
It would be nice to be able set the positions of your players on a diagram of the pitch for defending set pieces. There is no way to have zonal marking from set pieces in the game at the minute, this would address that. You could also have this for attacking set pieces with arrows telling the players where to run.
my main gripes which could EASILY be sorted for the next version are...
saving opposition instructions when changing tactics - when changing tactics it resets all your instructions. solving this problem would be simple. when changing tactics a popup box could give you the option of keeping your current opposition instruction settings!!!! pllllllllleeeeeease!
Also, (this has happened in every FM since i can remember and is obviously a bug) when clubs offer me player or when i enquire for a player and the fee is to be accepted, instead of the "accept" option a make new offer option is in its place. its the same offer, bnut is then rejected. silly.
I'd like to a mascot dancing on the pitch before your teams walk out.
Custom built set piece plays. Be able to position your players around the penalty area how you want them to act and tell the kicker where to aim. could work for defense on set pieces also but perhaps not necessary.
I would like something on the contracts page that tells you how much the contract is potentially going to cost me if the player/staff member stays through the duration of it. It's alot handier than having to work it out on the calculator every time, especially wen im trying to cut the lenghts but increasing their weekly wage to try and save money, for players who I dont think I will need should i get promoted.
A small thing- when choosing to add players from other countries at the start of a game, it'd be nice if the pop-up box either 1. Listed each country in one box (full screen, if need be) or 2. have the pop-up box stay visible even after selecting a country. It can get tedious having to bring up the box and scroll through all of the countries when adding a dozen or so countries, particularly when using CONCACAF teams where every other nation begins with Saint/St.
Ability to ask a feeder what player they would like.
When scheduling a friendly you should select a date and only the teams avlable on that date appear.
Ability to neogoate dates and money when another team wants to play you.
I reckon people should get recognised for assists in game, my striker has a massive goal drought at the moment, but he's chipping in with nearly an assist per match. But on the milestones screen, his "hasn't scored in 978 minutes" is making him look pathetic. So, I think their should be "3 assists away from 25 assists from Hitchin" or "2 assists away from 450 career assists"
c+ped from my thread
A button you can click on people's profiles to browse to an image which you can then add for that player. Hate having to create/edit .xml files all the time.
Some great suggestions here and I just hope SI take some of them on board
A game that works
The option to, like the ai, say whether a loan player will be used in the first team or as cover. If I sign a player on a 2 month loan deal as cover while so and so is injured they always get fed up because they're not getting first team football.
It would be nice if you could implant the changes you've made in a earlier version of the database into the newest update of the database.
Sorry if this has been mentioned - but I'd like to be able to talk to a sub before sending him on, with similar options as to teamtalks
1) MULTIPLAYER FIXTURES: At the moment it's average- your opponent's fixtures are usually just a copy of yours but one game later, which, if you're both playing as top 4 sides and mostly winning, gives them a decent advantage.
2) Reorganise this 'gap between the lines' stuff- it's way too confusing at the moment- nobody wants a gap between their lines but so many people get one just by not understanding the "mentality" slider.
3) re do training to be more specific attribute based- ie. crossing.
Is Si really reading this? 37 pages...
I throw in my suggestions with no hope of seeing them:
1. Maps! A graphic display of where in the world and the country the team is located.
2. Make fewer "continue"-clicks for the user. The time spent on the game is what keeps me away from it. I have to play FM between real-life duties. So i press "continue" and walk away. Comes back later, only to find the computer is waiting for another response from me; and it's only some results it will show. I miss a feature for us who has limited-FM play to let the computer "save" up news and go as far as it can without me having to press continue. Some news is impossible, but a lot of them can wait. Waiting on FM is for me 80%, 20% is actually playing.
3. When i am in pre-match, i think i am using few resources. Just checking the players etc. Irritating that when i start the match, i have to wait 20 seconds before anything happens. Could the game prepare that when i am looking at my squad etc? (i can't anyting about coding so sorry if that is an obvious "no").
4. Isn't Si sitting on a brilliant exposure of lower-league teams that is not being used? I am loving Farsley and know nothing about them. How about SI get in touch with the teams and try to make them actively give information about players themself? Is it only me who is that weirdow that i would love to order a real Farsley shirt, with the number of my favorite striker? The club should give out info about them self, where you can order stuff, prices, location etc. In return Si games gets updated info, pictures (if not demanded license) etc...Could just be a "flick" in the clubs info screen. for bigger teams, SI could take a little provision of sales (t-shirts, small club-effects...). Me sitting in a Farsley shirt and taking them to championship...jeezzes... :-)
Team talks make no sense.
Yes, real managers use them, and they are probably quite important for some teams, but managers do not pick from 6 preset options.
The fact that picking the right vaguely-worded team talk from a small list can have such a huge effect on your team's performance is absurd.
For a start, what does "You have faith" even mean? It could mean *comfortingly* "Don't worry Kaka, you're a good player, you'll do OK", it could mean *sternly* "Kaka, Shevchenko is playing rubbish but i have faith in YOU to turn things around.." it could mean "Kaka, I'm a practicing Catholic".
Managers give team talks, but I doubt they fall into such distinct categories; they might say "No pressure" AND "You can win today", but I imagine a hell of a lot of team talks are mostly tactical. The fact that saying you're "delighted" with your players instead of "pleased" can cost you a game is nonsensical.
I know they're there to add realism, but often a good or bad team talk seems to have more effect on a match than the tactics, which- when you're basically taking a gamble from 5 or 6 options- doesn't really add up.
One thing I would like to see, is an update on the scouting knowledge of a club, which is based on a network of contacts of past players, managers, coaches etc.
For example, if you had a Serbian player at the team for a few years, he would always give you insight into the Serbian market, provided that he and the club parted ways amicably. For example, in Greece (as I am sure in many other parts of the world), it is common-place to rely on a former player to provide information on specific transfer targets... Panathinaikos relies on its old Argentinian star Rocha for information on the Argentinian market, whilst Karembeu is always consulted if Olympiacos is interested in any players playing in France etc.
Thus, this could also make social relationships a much more important aspect of the game... If you have a player who is past his prime and is making a lot of money, you may hesitate to try and offer him 'mutual termination' in January, if his contract is expiring in June, so you can be in good standing with that player in the future.
Also, I would like added variation on how you are able to sell players. Rather than transfer-list a player and automatically say 'He is not needed by the club' which may upset the player, you could have options that occur in medium-level leagues as the Greek that say: "We think you're a great player, you are always wanted here, but if you ever want to go to a big club in one of the better leagues of Europe, we would be willing to let you go (though we dont want to), so long as you bring in an offer of minimum 5 million euros)."
Last edited by 5iver; 14-01-2009 at 13:48.
(from another post of mine)
'on the subject of managers being sacked or leaving, i feel that there is nowhere near enough coverage if a human user leaves or gets sacked.
i resigned from a club and there's one little news item and thats it. i was at the club for 2 years.
i would EXPECT to be asked if i wanted to have a press conference, where i could choose why i quit, or whether the parting of club and manager was amicable...etc.
they need a bit more focus on this i feel.'
my latest wishlist offer is -
not having to redo the opposition tactics every time i change my tactics its now getting so annoying.
Things I would like to see!
More options in the transfer fees, so not just so much per game. But also a fee if you win the league, or the champions league.
Also sometimes they have charity matches with world vs european 11 which would be cool to see if your players were selected.
And if possible more agent interaction over transfers, trying to push players and push through moves.
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I added
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Carl Landry added a double-double with 25 points and 10 rebounds, and David Lee dropped in 13 points to go with eight boards for the Warriors, who hold a one-game lead over the Houston Rockets for sixth place in the Western Conference.
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