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I've briefly read about Portuñol, which is supposedly a code switching method for Spanish and Portuguese. How does it function, and what sounds are switched? Also, is it an effective method of communications between Spanish and Portuguese speakers?
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I always thought Portuñol/Portunhol referred to any mix of Spanish and Portuguese.
I use it myself when talking to Portuguese speakers who don't have English.
Basically I just speak Spanish except:
Of course you can only avoid any embarassing pitfalls like false friends if you know about them. But of course the person being addressed also adjusts how they're listening to allow for such things.
And of course sometimes this isn't enough and you have to hunt for synonyms or circumlocutions, or just give up, smile, and shrug your shoulders (-:
Basically it's not much different to Spanglish except that due to the similarity of the languages the intelligibility and usefulness is orders of magnitude greater.
So basically per my understanding everybody will do this according to their level of understanding of the other language, meaning everybody will speak their own version. (Oh and of course Portuguese speakers will do the opposite.)
If there actually is some official, standard, or formalized Portuñol/Portunhol, I'd love to hear about it!
Thanks to Richard's response on the meta post about whether Portuñol and related topics are within our scope I have learned that there is indeed another Portuñol which actually is its own language, though doesn't have an ISO language code and I assume it hasn't been codified into a standard, but must be the native language of a community. You can read about it in its own Wikipedia article, Riverense Portuñol language.


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The question is not if Ubuntu supports your hardware or not, it is more if your hardware builder has made any drivers for your hardware to be usable in Linux.
The Radeon HD 6750 is officially supported by ATI's Catalyst drivers and the
The Radeon HD 6750M will work even tough you will find your self with a watermark on the right bottom corner of the screen saying your hardware is not supported. That can be fixed following some simple steps.
The Radeon HD 6490 or the 6490M are not officially supported by ATI's Catalyst drivers but the open source
You can easily toogle between the open source
[EDIT BELOW, it works!] Short note to say that I never got my Chronos 7 working with fglrx drivers. I've tried Oneiric and Precise, with catalyst 11.2 and more recently 12.1. Currently I have the drivers installed, but I have to delete my xorg.conf in order to get a desktop, which dumps me to a Unity-2d session. My driver, according to my system settings, is blank, which I presume means that I'm on Intel.
If I uninstall the drivers, I get a Unity 3D session using the Intel driver, but then the ATI card runs at full speed constantly, driving the fans at full speed.
Other issues - no control over the backlit keyboard (it's always on), screens brightness resets to full on startup, ignoring your choice/amendments in the display settings and finally, as it's a buttonless trackpad, you'll need to make some tweaks (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/582809) in order to get it working. It's also incredibly insensitive, so you'll have to tweak it again with
every login to make it usable without pressing the full pad of your finger in order to move the mouse.
Suspend/resume, WIFI, sound and 1600x900 resolution, however, all work fine.
This laptop is NOT a good choice for Ubuntu. Unity-2d is startlingly poor - no customisation options, so you'll get the whole "FisherPrice" experience - but necessary unless you can put up with the noise of the fans blasting full time.
I did eventually get this laptop working reasonably well. FGLRX did install in the end. Despite the multi-arch status of Precise, I ended up doing a
So, what's wrong now? The trackpad still needs the synclient changes and doesn't support click-n-drag although two-finger scrolling is good, as is two-finger tap for right-click. The keyboard backlight is always on and unconfigurable. The brightness of the screen will often reset on boot up to full power. There was also an issue with Pulseaudio, but I think that will be resolved now - certainly the fix on that bug report got me working, as you can see on comment 24.
So conversely then, it's fast, quiet (unless you're playing a game), high resolution, light (for its size), and the battery lasts around 4 hours with light usage (mid-brightness, WIFI on, Bluetooth on, web browsing mainly).
In summary, it's hard work, but a cracking laptop once you get it working. And perhaps the finished 12.04 will work around some of these issues generally.
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Reduce crime by 15%. Get public-schoolchildren's math scores on par with the rest of the state. Create a larger, more dynamic private-sector work-force after a crippling recession.
Mayor Michael Bloomberg made these pledges in 2009 as he outlined a vision for the New York City of 2013, part of an ambitious pitch for a third term that he said would extend his accomplishments from the previous eight years.
But it is now 2013, and the city's major felony crime rate was up more than 4% in 2012 compared with 2009. Test scores at the city's public schools still lag behind those elsewhere in New York. And while the city has regained far more jobs than it lost during the downturn, unemployment remained stubbornly high at 8.8% in December, higher than the national and state rates.
As Mr. Bloomberg prepares to deliver his final state of the city address Thursday, a debate continues over whether his successful push to overturn the city's term-limit laws and seek another four years in office served to burnish and cement his record of accomplishments, or whether it diminished the legacy he hopes to leave.
Close observers of the city, some of whom have supported the mayor, said his third term has paled in comparison to the energy and vision of the first two. In the past three years, federal prosecutors have taken steps to recoup hundreds of millions of dollars lost in a payroll-system scandal that's been described as the worst corruption in city history, the mayor endured withering criticism for his administration's response to a 2010 blizzard and his unconventional choice for schools chancellor, Cathleen Black, proved to be a public-relations disaster.
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The third term "tarnished his reputation," said correction officers' union President Norman Seabrook, who endorsed the mayor for his first two terms but didn't for his 2009 re-election bid. "Looking at it now, I have to say this is something he should have avoided and went out at the top of his game."
Mr. Bloomberg's aides have vigorously pushed back against the notion that the third term has lacked either vigor or significant achievements. On Wednesday, Howard Wolfson, a deputy mayor, sent an email with some two dozen statistics showing "record" progress in education, parks, public safety and other areas. "The state of our city has never been stronger," he wrote.
Mr. Bloomberg's press secretary, Marc LaVorgna, said the mayor's overall third-term record was "extremely impressive" and the city is a better place "in every area you can measure." "The mayor could have very easily kicked up his feet and relaxed for the rest of his life," he said. "He made a decision that he wanted to continue to serve the city that he loves, and the city is a better place for it."
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At the same time, the disparity between the city's rich and poor continued to grow, and the poverty rate reached its highest point in more than a decade during Mr. Bloomberg's third term, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. The number of people on food stamps grew from 1.5 million in 2009 to 1.8 million in 2012, and the number of Medicaid recipients rose from 2.7 million to 3 million.
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The city's economy has shown both positive and negative indicators under Mr. Bloomberg, said Doug Turetsky, a spokesman for the Independent Budget Office, a publicly funded agency that provides nonpartisan budget information.
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Mr. Bloomberg has made lowering crime a signature issue, and by many measures, he has succeeded. Shootings and homicides reached historic lows in 2012, city officials said, and neighborhoods once ridden with crime have been transformed.
In the 2009 speech, Mr. Bloomberg said he had cut overall crime by 35% and set a goal of cutting it another 15%, so that by the time he left office, the rate would have been reduced by half over 12 years. "I believe it can be possible," he said, according to prepared remarks.
Instead, overall crime rose more than 4% in 2012, compared to 2011, countering a 20-plus-year trend of year-over-year falling crime rates.
Mr. LaVorgna said the mayor sets "ambitious goals" and if the city hits every goal they aren't high enough. Overall crime, comparing 2001 with 2012, dropped a little less than a third.
During his first two terms, Mr. Bloomberg had been credited with improving relations between the New York Police Department and the city's minority communities. But during the mayor's third term, the NYPD's so-called stop-and-frisk tactic has become a source of intense criticism and litigation in the courts.
On education, the Bloomberg administration was among the nation's forerunners in changing the culture of public schools and testing new ideas to raise test scores and student achievement in the mayor's first two terms with then-Chancellor Joel Klein. When he seized control of the school system in 2002, the mayor embraced charter schools and widened options for parents who didn't want to send their children to failing neighborhood schools. Mr. LaVorgna said the city reduced the number of teachers receiving tenure on their first try to 55% in 2012, down from 97% in 2007.
In 2009, Mr. Bloomberg said the city would go further and close the gap between its public-school students and the rest of the state on math scores. But by 2012, city children in third and fourth-grades had narrowed the test-score gap on math with their peers throughout the state but fell a few points short of pulling even. City fifth-graders did score the same as the rest of New York.
The Bloomberg legacy may be about to take a beating, as Democratic candidates to succeed him pick apart his record. Bill de Blasio, the city's public advocate who is running for mayor, made a common observation: Mr. Bloomberg should take responsibility for both "things that went well and the things that didn't."
"But that's not going to happen—let's be serious!" Mr. de Blasio said with a chuckle. "The resources will be focused on burnishing his legacy."
Other city leaders said the mayor's accomplishments far outweighed his mistakes, even if his third term didn't meet expectations. In the past three years, Mr. Bloomberg changed the landscape of the city through zoning, helped create a new technology-focused university on Roosevelt Island, and continued his public-health initiatives, pushing through a partial ban on large-size sugary drinks.
In an interview before his death, Ed Koch, the last three-term mayor, described Mr. Bloomberg's accomplishments as "monumental." Mr. Koch said many of Mr. Bloomberg's final-term initiatives are "worthwhile," in particular the Roosevelt Island campus. "People will realize after he's gone how much he meant to this city and they will cry," Mr. Koch said.
For his part, Mr. Bloomberg clearly spelled out how he hoped history would remember him during a December 2010 interview on NBC's "Meet the Press."
"I want to go out being, having a reputation as a very good, maybe the greatest mayor ever," he said.
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Okay I actually do understand the purpose of the bathroom fan; it gets the steam out of the bathroom after a super hot shower, right? Well turns out I NEVER turn it on. I suppose I don't shower in sauna temperatures. Also we tend to shower with the door open.
Or, the point being it rids the room of odors? Thus the nickname 'fart fan'
The hose from the fan from the bathroom simply terminates in the attic space. I've been reading the threads explaining the reasons to vent it to the outdoors, but I don't want to. I have a beautiful house with new Cedar siding and I don't want to ugly it up with a big vent sitting in the middle of the gable. yuck.
So here's the question; why? Can't I simply keep from using the fan? No bother to me a little steam or stink. Do I need to put an end on the vent I don't use?


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How can I copy a file into micro SD of an Android phone connected via USB to a PC with Windows?
should be set to "Disk drive" (you can set this as a default connection type, but I prefer to do it manually when I need it).
Also, you can set it via the notifcations bar by clicking on the USB connection type as it appears; a selection box of the various options should appear.
Once mounted, you can open on your PC, and drag-n-drop, or what-have-you.
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You don't mention which Android phone you've got, depending on which phone (and how much your manufacturer's customised) you've got, it may be slightly different from OtherMichael's instructions.
With stock Android (as on the Nexus One, HTC Magic, G1, etc), when you plug your phone into the PC's USB you should see a USB icon appear in the notification area. Pull the notification area down and you should see "
Other manufacturers customize things slightly with their custom UIs, for instance if you have a phone with Samsung's TouchWiz UI on it, you get a menu up as soon as you plug into USB, with options to select USB Mode, on the you'd pick Mass Storage, and then do as above. I think HTC's Sense UI also customizes things slightly, but I can't remember exactly how that works.


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Let $K=Q(\sqrt{-3})$ , is $SU(2,1)(K)$ dense in $SU(2,1)(C)$ for the complex topology?
Yes, the density you indicate certainly occurs. For $SU(n,n-1)$ and $SO(n,n-1)$ and many other classical groups, an analogous density holds, by a similar argument, although there are some minor complications (about compact real Lie groups...) for $SU(p,q)$ with $p>q+1$.
In the case at hand, first note that whatever the rational form of the hermitian form, there is a non-trivial isotropic vector, by Hasse's principle: the corresponding quadratic form is 6-dimensional, so there are isotropic vectors p-adically everywhere locally. Then at the archimedean place the assumption on signature gives an isotropic vector. Thus, by Hasse-Minkowski, there is a rational isotropic vector.
The latter point ensures that we can (rationally) change coordinates to $\pmatrix{0 & 0 & \sqrt{-3}\cr 0 & 1 & 0 \cr -\sqrt{-3} & 0 & 0}$ or other anti-diagonal versions. In these coordinates, we can identify the (rational) parabolic subgroup $P=\pmatrix{a & x & y \cr 0 & \mu & x' \cr 0 & 0 & a^{-1}}$, whose rational points are where $a\in {\mathbb Q}^\times$, $x\in K$, and $y$ and $x'$ are determined by $x$ and $a$, and $|\mu|=1$. The rational points are dense in the real points of $P$. The only slightly tricky part is noting that elements $|\mu|=1$ of $K$ are dense in the unit circle, but this follows from an argument similar to the parametrization of Pythagorean triples. This is the step that becomes less elementary when the corresponding compact part of the minimal rational parabolic is larger.
Then verify the Bruhat decomposition, that the rational points of the whole group are the union $P\cup PwP$, where $w$ is the "long Weyl group element" antidiagonal $-1,1,1$. The big cell $PwP$ in this case is readily identifiable as elements of the group (with the antidiagonal form as above) with non-zero lower left entry.
For bigger unitary and orthogonal groups, there are more Weyl group elements, and proving the Bruhat decomposition is less trivial, but this density-of-rational-points argument does not need the sharpest form of it.
There are also general results (due to A. Borel) that linear reductive groups are "unirational", so density of rational points holds quite generally, for a general reason. Nevertheless, it is also verifiable (via Bruhat, etc., as above) case-by-case.
Edit: It is probably worth being more careful in parsing this question, as observed in comments by @mikhail and @yves... First, $SU(p,q)$'s are not "complex" Lie groups, but real, even though the usual model uses complex numbers in the construction: complex conjugation is not complex-linear. Yes, the "strong" topology does arise as the subspace topology from the ambient complex space, in that model. Similarly, $SU(2,1)(K)$ is not really the $K$-rational points, but $\mathbb Q$-rational. For a commutative $\mathbb Q$-algebra $A$, the $A$-points are $SU(2,1)(K\otimes_{\mathbb Q}A)$. Thus, the complex points (in this more intrinsic sense) are isomorphic to $SL(3,\mathbb C)$.
Further, indeed, as @mikhail notes, the instantaneous conclusion that rational points are dense in the "strong" ("classical"?) topology does not follow so glibly from the unirationality per se, since all that truly guarantees (in general) is density in the much coarser Zariski topology. The refinement necessary to make this sort of argument work sometimes more generally, as in @yves' remark, perhaps makes it less persuasive as a causal mechanism, but it suggests that we are "close", in any case.
(EDITED taking in account the comment of Yves.) The group denoted in the question by $SU(2,1)(K)$ is the group of $\mathbf{Q}$-points $G(\mathbf{Q})$ for a suitable $\mathbf{Q}$-group $G$, and the group denoted by $SU(2,1)(\mathbf{C})$ is $G(\mathbf{R})$. For any connected linear algebraic group $G$ over $\mathbf{Q}$, the group $G(\mathbf{Q})$ is dense in $G(\mathbf{R})$ for the real topology. This is the real approximation theorem for connected linear algebraic groups, see the reference to Sansuc's paper in my comments to A question on algebraic torus.
Note also that if $G$ is a simply connected semisimple group over $\mathbf{Q}$ (as the group in the question), then $G(\mathbf{Q})$ is dense in $G(\mathbf{Q}_p)$ for any prime $p$. This follows from the weak approximation theorem for simply connected groups (due to Kneser, Harder, Platonov). This is not true for semisimple groups that are not simply connected, see example 5.8 in Sansuc's paper, where a certain semisimple $\mathbf{Q}$-group $G$ is constructed for which $G(\mathbf{Q})$ is not dense in $G(\mathbf{Q}_2)$.


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BRAY, Doris J., 84, of Toronto, OH, passed away Sunday, September 30, 2012, at the Laurels of Steubenville, OH.
She was born February 13, 1928, in Toronto, OH, the daughter of the late Mont and Neva Tice Wells.
Doris was a member of the Toronto First Church of the Nazarene and was a 1946 graduate of Toronto High School.
She had worked for the Ohio Bell Telephone Company as a telephone operator.
Doris was preceded in death by her parents; husband, Howard Bray in 1972 whom she married July 15, 1949; daughter, Sandy Bray in 1967; sister, Ethel Reed in 1997; brother, Herman Wells in 1999.
She is survived by daughters, Susan Schultz and fiance, Joe Giffin of Toronto, OH and Sheryl Bray of Mineral City, OH; grandchildren, David Schultz of Toronto, OH, Doug (Carrie) Schultz of Pickering, OH, Dan (Misty) Schultz of Las Vegas, NV, David John Van Nuys of Florida and Crystal Van Nuys of Illinois; six great grandchildren; brothers, Forrest (Marian) Wells of Wisconsin, Everett (Viola) Wells of Mesa Arizona and James Wells of Tacoma, Washington; sister, Mary "Lucy" Wells of Toronto, OH.
A memorial service celebrating the life of Doris will be held 2 p.m. Saturday October 6 at the Toronto First Church of the Nazarene, 505 Findley St., Toronto with the Reverend Eric Frey officiating.
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In a couple of years I hope to cross Iceland east to west through the centre. I understand the the roads in central Iceland are only open in the summer. Is that for vehicles only or for walking as well? I looked around but most info is about (4x4) cars and other vehicles.
Hiking in the Iceland highlands/roads when there's snow on the ground is certainly allowed, although you'd find travel much easier on skis. Be aware in the winter/spring the roads and marker / sign posts are totally buried in snow.
The mountain rescue service in Iceland will be happy to rescue you should you get into trouble - register with ICESAR in Reykjavik before you head out (They will also rent you a PLB if you want
There's no need for rescue insurance in Iceland, they don't charge for rescue.
Since Iceland has the "right to roam" similar to other Nordic countries, you're virtually allowed to go wherever you want. You probably won't even be able to see the road due to the snowcover, so it would be weird if you could go everywhere except there :) so I wouldn't worry.
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Can one show that any abelian $p$-group (not necessarily finite) is the center of a $p$-group and of index $p$?
Edit. In fact, any nontrivial abelian $p$-group $A$ can be realized as the center of a $p$-group with index $p^n$ except in the case $n=1$ (if $A$ is trivial, then it cannot be the center of a nontrivial $p$-group). As has been noted, if $N\subseteq Z(G)$ and $G/N$ is cyclic, then $G$ is abelian, so no group can have a center of prime index. For $n=0$, you can just take $A$ itself.
For $n\gt 1$, we can use the same trick as the one used by Konstantin Ardakov in the comments: take a group $K$ of order $p^{n+1}$ and class $n$ (such groups are called "$p$-groups of maximal class; I'll give an example below). Such a group $K$ has $Z(K)\cong \mathbf{C}_p$, cyclic of order $p$. Let $k$ be a generator of $Z(K)$. Now let $a\in A$ be an element of order $p$, and take the amalgamated direct product $G=(A\times K)/\langle (a,k^{-1})\rangle$. It is easy to verify that $Z(G)\cong A$, and $G/Z(G)\cong K/Z(K)$, and $K/Z(K)$ has ordder $p^n$.
Leedham-Green and McKay's The Structure of Groups of Prime Power Order (London Math. Soc. Monographs, new series, no. 27), has several examples of $p$-groups of maximal class in Section 3.1. Here are some: for $p=2$ you can take the dihedral, semidihedral, or generalized quaternion groups of order $2^{n+1}$. For odd prime $p$, the analogue of the dihedral group is as follows: let $K_p$ be the $p$th local cyclotomic number field, let $\mathcal{O}$ be its valuation ring, and let $\theta$ be a primitive $p$th root of unity. Let $\mathfrak{p}=(\theta-1)$ be the maximal ideal of $\mathcal{O}$. Then $\mathcal{O}$ is a $C_p$-module, with the generator acting like multiplication by $\theta$. The ideals $\mathfrak{p}^i$ are invariant under the action. We define $\mathbf{E}_{p^n} = (\mathcal{O}/\mathfrak{p}^{n-1})\rtimes \mathbf{C}_p$. This group has maximal class and order $p^{n}$.
(Other examples: $\mathbf{C}_p\wr\mathbf{C}_p$ is a $p$-group of maximal class and order $p^{p+1}$. Or let $A$ be an elementary abelian $p$-group of rank $d$, let $M\in\mathrm{GL}(d,p)$ be the matrix that has $1$s in the diagonal and right above the diagonal, and zeros elsewhere. Then $A\rtimes\langle M_d\rangle$ has maximal class if and only if $3\leq d\leq p$).
On the other hand, you may want simpler groups, say groups $G$ with $Z(G)\cong A$, $[G:Z(G)]$ of order $p^n$, and $G/Z(G)$ abelian.
An old paper of R. Baer, Groups with preassigned central and central quotient groups, Trans. Amer. Math. Soc. 44 (1938), no. 3, 387-412, MR1501973, available on-line here, can be used to determine which abelian $p$ groups can be embedded as the center of a group of class two with index $p^n$ for any $n\gt 1$. The paper considers the problem addressed in the title, and has both an existence and a uniqueness theorem. The existence theorem is restricted to the case in which the central quotient group is a direct sum of cyclic groups, and the uniqueness theorem is further restricted to the case in which the central quotient is finitely generated.
Some notation before stating the main existence result: given an abelian group $A$, $r(A)$ denotes minimum cardinality of a maximal linearly independent subset of $A$ (if $A$ is torsion free or of prime exponent, then any maximal linearly independent subset has $r(A)$ elements, but for more general abelian groups this need not be the case). $A_{t}$ denotes the torsion subgroup of $A$, $A[n]$ the subgroup of elements $x$ such that $nx=0$, and $A(p)$ the subgroup of elements such that $p^ix=0$ for some $i\geq 0$ ($p$ a prime, of course).
Define $r(A,0)$ to be the rank of $A/A_{t}$, and $r(A,p^i)$ to be the rank of $(p^{i-1}A(p))/(p^iA(p))$
The main result of the paper is:
So fix $n\gt 1$; if $A$ is an arbitrary nontrivial abelian $p$-group, then let $G$ be the direct sum of $n$ copies of the cyclic group of order $p$. Then 1 is satisfied, 2, 3, and 4 are vacuously true, and $5$ is true. (Note that condition 5 excludes the possibility of index $p$, though that can be derived directly as has been mentioned).
Now, since $G(p)=G$, and $pG=0$, for point 6, note that for any $i\gt 1$ we have $r(G,p^i)=0$; and $r(G,p)=n$; if $n$ is even, then 6 is satisfied vacuously, so you can always obtain a group. You can realize it taking an element $x$ of order $p$ in $A$, letting $G$ be the extraspecial $p$-group of order $p^{2n+1}$ with center generated by $c$, and taking the group $A\times G/\langle (x,z^{-1})\rangle$, an amalgamated direct product; same idea as the construction given by Konstantin Ardakov in the comments.
If $n$ is odd, however, then condition $6$ requires that $A$ contain at least two independent elements of order $p$.
Since a finite abelian group is capable if and only if it is not cyclic and the two largest invariants are equal, if we realize $A$ as the center of a group $B$ with $[B:A]=p^{2k+1}$, then $B$ must be a direct sum of the form $C_{p^{a_1}}\oplus\cdots\oplus C_{p^{a_r}}$ with $r\gt 1$, $a_1\leq a_2\leq\cdots\leq a_r$, and $a_{r-1}=a_r$; so any $G$ we try to use must have at least three cyclic summands, and so picking a different group $G$ to be a central quotient would only put stronger conditions on $A$ (e.g., requiring $A$ to contain at least two independent elements of order $p^i$ for several different $i$).
In summary:
Let $A$ be an abelian $p$-group, not necessarily finite, and let $n\gt 0$. Then $A$ can be realized as the center of a $p$-group $H$ of class $2$ with $[H:A]=p^n$ if and only if: (i) $A$ is trivial and $n=0$; (ii) $A$ is nontrivial and $n$ is even; or (iii) $A$ is nontrivial, $n\gt 1$ is odd, and $A$ has at least two independent elements of order $p$.
And if $n\neq 1$, then any nontrivial abelian $p$-group $A$ can be realized as the center of a group $G$ with $[G:A]=p^n$.
If $G$ is a group with centre $Z$ such that $G/Z$ is cyclic, then necessarily $G$ is abelian. So no such group can exist.
The center of a group cannot be of prime index, because a non-central element must fail to commute with something, which therefore cannot be one of its powers.
Another example. Let $Z$ be an abelian $p$-group and let $Z=C\times Z_1$, where $C>\{1\}$ is cyclic. There is a $p$-group $H$ such that $\text{Z}(H)\cong C$ and $|H:C|=p^2$. Indeed, let $H$ be a $p$-group with cyclic subgroup of index $p$ and of order $p^2|C|$ and $\text{cl}(H)=2$ (such $H$ exists as follows from the classification of nonabelian $p$-groups with cyclic subgroup of index $p$). Then $G=H\times Z_1$ satisfies conditions 1-3.


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Fantastic to see the Bandits are back! And I love being in it from the start, it's fantastic! The Bandits are going to be the EPL Champions this time for sure! Bring on the first update! KUTGW Kip!
Very excited that this has kicked off
I'd love to see The starlets stay with the bandits for a few years this time.
Also really looking forward to the antics of the 4 idiots - Idiot GK is going to be a cult hero!
Great stuff as always Kip, bring on the updates
Kip, I couldn't find anywhere what the Reputation for the Bandits (and the Sheriffs) is set to? Could you please enlighten me?
As for my predictions;
- The Bandits will completely steamroll through the first season, maybe even unbeaten.
- The Bandits will lose all their star players, bar 2-3, the first season. Some probably already in January,
- The Sheriffs will have the worst disciplinary record in the BSS.
- Both clubs will reach the EPL within 15 years, and I think the Sheriffs will get there first.
Can't wait for the first update!!
Good to see this up and running, i managed to read the whole of the first update while at work! im sure this will be just as exciting.
I found this official FIFA ruling:
"(a) Up to his 21st birthday, a player may only once request changing the Association for which he is eligible to play international matches. A Player may exercise this right to change Associations only if he has not played at "A" international level for his current Association and if, at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition of any other category, he already had such nationalities. Changing Associations is not permitted during the preliminary competition of a FIFA competition, continental championship or Olympic Tournaments if a player has already been fielded in a match of one of these competitions."
It was later explained:
The major substantive change was designed to deal with repeated complaints that players had made irrevocable commitments to a particular national team by taking part in international youth tournaments when they were too young to make an intelligent decision on such an important matter and when their tender age rendered them peculiarly susceptible to pressure from others. The new provision seeks to rectify this problem by allowing a national team change in limited circumstances. It contains five limitations preventing country-shopping: the player must not yet have reached his 21st birthday when he makes the request to change his national team, he must already hold the dual or multiple nationality when he makes his first appearance in a competitive international match, he must not have appeared for the A or senior level national team of his current association, he may change his national team only once and he may not change his national team during a preliminary competition in which he has taken part.
So, in theory, the players should be able to switch from one nation to another until they hit their 21st birthday, or play a senior match for their country. They all have dual nationality already so that part is not a problem. But they should be able to switch only once.
This is, of course, assuming the rule is followed in the game.
I was under the impression that it is Under-21 games as well as senior games that mean the choice of nationality is irreversible.
This thread is so full of WIN
Good luck with the experiment kipfizh, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread again as the previous experiment helped us tweak things like the regens and player progress in the game.
Kip to have his name up in lights...or in the manual credits at the very least.
As for 'A' matches I only think it counts U21 games because of a couple of incidents a few years ago but the laws may very well have changed following these or even as a result of them.
Great to see the Bandits in FM09. Followed your old thread and will do the same with this one.
KUTGW kipfizh!
The Bandit's are back!!!! Another 70 years, here we come
Good to see this up again! Looking forward to reading it, right from the start.
I think people are being too optimistic, I reckon it'll be 20 years before The Bandits make it to the top flight, 30 years before The Sheriffs join them.
The Bandits will stroll the first season, getting promoted alongside The Sheriffs.
First £1m transfer will be in season 3.
All Bandits to go into management.
Bandits to win their first Champions League in 2048!
Glad to see your back and well Kip, and this is looking like it will be another excellent experiment/read.
Alreay my new favourite forum thread on the web
Kip - Make sure you backup the database as well, and if you do move machines, make sure the experiment DB is in the correct place or you will again find that the teams revert to their original names, and any created stadia or places will just not exist.
Getting really excited for this now
Ah well, my work's about to suffer
Great to see the new experiment up an running, I can't believe it's been two years since the first one started, you'd think we'd have all grown up and moved on by now. But no, here we are again, eagerly awaiting the first update.
My predictions:
- Two Bandits players to stay for more than one season, the rest will leave.
- The Sherrifs to fail in their attempt to go up in the first season because of the affect that the idiots have on the team.
- The Bandits manager to manage England within 10 years.
- England to win a major trophy within 12 years.
Fantastic to see this back, it inspired my experiment so I look forward to it inspiring others as well.
My predictions
The Bandits to win the Blue Square South
The Bandits to obtain more than 100 points in the Blue Square South during the first season.
The Bandits to win a cup competition within 3 years.
At least half the Bandits superstars to leave after one season at the club.
The Sheriffs to achieve a playoff place in the first season.
The Sheriffs to NOT reach the Premiership within 20 years.
The Bandits to reach the Premiership within 20 years.
England to win the World Cup before 2020 utilising Bandits/former Bandits players.
One of the idiots to end up at Newcastle United.
Ocean View Park to be expanded significantly by the time the Bandits make league football.
The Bandits to be one of the 92 football league clubs before 2012.
In my opinion, the key to the Bandits success will be the Chairman and the Board, the manager will eventually leave, probably within five years, and the players will almost certainly all be gone by 2012. The Chairman, a sugar daddy, will have a significant influence on the success of the Bandits, his choices, funding, ambition, and patience will be the key to Bandits success.
The Sheriffs will suffer from their Chairman and he will hold them back at times when he fires Managers who could have taken them to success. He will make bad business decisions and will probably lead the team to financial ruin.
If the Sheriffs are led to financial ruin then any initial success they may have had will see a consortium buy the club and subject to a decent enough Chairman, they will have the resources to (slowly) advance up the league pyramid.
Oh, and I also think the Bandits will win the Champions League before 2050.
As always, all predictions wrong or your money back.
Even if there aren't things to tweak straight from the data posted from the experiment, it might spark some tests on our side to check how the game works in certain scenarios etc. which will all add up to more realism and more fun for everyone
Edit: I emailed the link to this thread around the FM team so most likely other people will be keeping an eye out as well. Ter at least, if he has the time from eating all the chickens at Nandos
It would be interesting to see if the Bandits starting to get call ups for England will influence the decision of those who are playing for their other nationalities at youth level or not.
Great to see the new version up - this is not so much an FM experiment as an institution
Good to see the idiots with all the 'dirty' PPMs too - did you set their tackling to 20? Tackling of 1 combined with 'dives in to tackles' could produce a few bone crunching moments!
Personally, I predict the Bandits will have a steady rise up the league. The management structure seems very stable and they should take a risk-free approach. I think the Sherrifs may be successful initially but they will then implode. They will most likely follow that cycle as they rise up - promotions may be followed by relegations but they will get their eventually. Maybe they will eventually become like Chelsea or Real Madrid, sacking their managers on a regular basis.
Looking forward to the next update.
2000th post!
So glad to see this thread!
Hi all and KUTGW Kip
I believe this article answers the question - the players are not chosing their national team before they turn 21 unless they play for the senior squad (Bojan has U21 appearances for Spain). Whether that is followed in the FM remains to be seen.
On a game similiar to this experiment (but on another forum and involving real people) some players with different nationalities (one had England, Wales and Ghana) played for Ghana U21s but went on to play for Wales.
Hope that answers your question
The rule is, as far as I know and understand by reading it, the player has a choice to be made until his 21st birthday. If he has U21 caps for a country and he hasn't made a choice, he has to stick with that one. But he may change his U21 country A to B in "senior" level. Senior caps are what bound players to nations. For example there are countless of debates for Germany U21-U19 players that are born Turkish but having a German passport. Some tend to pick Turkish U21, some German. But each federation tries to convince the talented ones to pick themselves for senior caps.
And now on to predictions:
o Bandits to storm the league this time, breaking records everywhere like wins, goals and stuff.
o Sheriffs to follow them behind, also getting promoted, due their squad lacking players and due their idiots.
o 2 successive promotions for Bandits, 7-8 years to Championship, 11-14 years to Premier League.
o Sheriffs can be stuck anywhere depending on the transfers they'll make but I predict they are to linguish in League football for 5-8 years and make the step up to Championship in 10-12 years. 15-20 years to Premier League.
o All Bandits players to leave in 1,5 - 2 years. Maybe the GKs will stick longer.
o Idiots to leave before the starlets, achieve quicker but disrupt harmony anywhere they go.
o Hopefully more silverware to come this time around, even a World Club Championship
o An Ex-bandit to coach or manage Bandits some time in the future. Maybe a duo like the last one.
o Starlets dominating the PotY awards in everywhere where as a completely total stranger will be the legend of Bandits. (Kinch anyone )
Boom, excellent news. Bandits are back. work suddenly got a whole lot less boring!
ooh, this is all new to me when will it be all kicking off?
/me pulls up a chair and gets the popcorn ready
It's so great to be able to follow the experiment from the very beginning... I eagerly await that first season report.
My predictions: Most of the starlets (and, probably, idiots) don't even reach the season proper in their original clubs. With that kind of reputation, they're headed for the top two tiers of any of the top european leagues within a few months... they can't have a very high price at that league level.
The Bandits get hurt by losing their awesome players, and only get promoted thanks to the few remaining ones. The Sherriffs fare a bit better, as they already have the rest of the squad in place.
Brilliant. Glad this is back - and I'm delighted to the the scope and scale of the experiment has expanded as well. This experiment should be much more rigorous than 07, but hopefully not too overwheming to manage.
My predictions:
- The Sheriffs will win a major trophy before the Bandits (an ambitious owner who won't accept failure means that sooner or later they'll stumble over a very good manager)
- The Bandits will be very, very successful as time passes as the flaws of the 07 management have been ironed out.
- Very few of the Bandits players will play for their second country... although the Half-Welsh Idiot is more likely to if he cant get into the English side (the other country's reputations are too low)
- Each save will take about an hour after five seasons.
Good luck Kip!
Fantastic kip, looking forward to it.
First season predictions
Bandits to win every game
Bandits to win a game 19-0
Bandits or sheriffs to win whatever trophy the confrence has
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Season One:
- Bandits to Finish top, undefeated with the possible exception to the away game to the Sheriffs
- The Sheriffs to finish Second, no more then 10 points off the pace, but with a much inferior goal difference
- No less then three Bandits players to have in excess of 20 goals in all competitions, with at least one of the three exceeding 30.
- At least one Bandits defender to score double figures
- At least 10 players from the Bandits to break double figures
- Bandits to have the best disciplinary record
- Sheriff Idiot's to have a worse disciplinary record combined then the entire Bandits team.
All of the above predictions will operate under the assumption that few Bandits players will move on before the end of the season.
I also predict that at least half of the Bandits will move on by the beginning of the second season.
Can't wait for the first update Kip, I loved the 07 thread and I'm sure this one will surpass it!
This was good last time but I didn't manage to catch very much of it. Will be following closely this time.
I am really looking forward to this. I'm sure many people were inspired to do experiements by the 07 thread (I know I was). Lets hope this one can be just as successful as the last one. I'm not going to make many prediction, except:
The Bandits to Reach the Prem First
The Bandits to get a number of great youth players, that will help them take the league within 25 years.
Good Luck!!
Excellent to hear you are back with the new experiment Kip, sure it will be just as informative as the last one!
Particularly like the idea of the Sherriffs and, who I'm sure he will turn into, the infamous eccentric goalkeeper!
For what they are worth, my predictions:
* Bandits to get promotion and win this season with relative ease.
* Sherrifs to follow them up via the playoffs.
* All bar one of the Bandits will leave in the summer, with the sole survivor to leave in the following January window.
* Bandits will get through the conference in 1-2 seasons but will then take on average 2-3 seasons per division to reach the Premier League (Will be a lot shorter if the backroom staff can hang about for longer).
* One of the star strikers will have a ridiculous games / goals record for England, as they proceed to win the 2014 and 2018 World Cups.
* The Bandits will win the Premier League at one point, but will never conquer Europe.
Will be following with interest as always.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a thread grow so quickly and consistently!
Sorry, this doesn't add anything to what has already been said but WOW!
KUTGW and welcome back Kip!
(sorry, too many exclamation marks I know)
Great to see this back kipfizh KUTGW
My predictions:
Bandits win league by a mile
Sheriffs go up in play-offs, but have 2 managerial changes this season
Idiots become pretty unhappy early on, and move on in January
All 4 idiots play international football for their second nations
All Bandits go into management
Bandits win more trophies than Sheriffs
Bandits reach EPL 20-25 seasons time
Sheriffs reach EPL 15-20 seasons time
By 2050, Sheriffs spend twice as much money as Bandits
Both teams to play each other in the Champions League Final
how long til the first post!!
I can't wait!! One of my favorite threads from back in the day and I'll be interested to see how much has changed (if anything ) in 2 years of FM
As befits my life, I'm a day late and a buck short. So to business...
Good to have you back Kip. And great to see Meitheisman along too. I certainly wouldn't dare make any predictions. My experience of my own long-term games and the original Bandits is such that I know it would be foolish. With the new data set anything could happen from all the players being gone in January, to them staying on for a surprisingly long time.
I luckily can answer a couple of questions though. The FM09 regen system is amazing. In my 20 year save so far I've had fifty or so 195+ players, and suitable amounts as you down the ladder. A sensible amount of them can hit that too. They even get generated in many positions. Although there is a prevelance to blinding midfielders.
Secondly a U21 cap doesn't count as declaring for a nation. So theoretically the players could take that second nationality. Unfortunately because of the way U21 callups are worked, unless they get injured and picked for their new nation in the brief time between recovering and the next match, they'll probably be England for life. I've tried lots of things to get around this issue (making the England manager blind to talent etc) but without much success. The only real way that a superstar could boost a nation by playing for them is if that was their only nationality. Naturally that goes against the grain somewhat so they end up being English.
I have to confess to speed reading the rest of the thread, so you might have already answered, but what is the Affiliate situation? Players coming in on loan, and eventually going out on loan, has a surprisingly large effect on player development.
Buckled up tight and along for the whole ride...
edit - Just want to make clear that I personally haven't had 50+, the game world has.
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I fully expect the Sheriffs to "Do a Gretna" i can see there chairman bullying his way up to the premiership as failure is not an option then bankrupting the club by trying to compete at the top of the premiership
This will be interesting to monitor, Kipfizh has already set up a section for it too.I luckily can answer a couple of questions though. The FM09 regen system is amazing. In my 20 year save so far I've had fifty or so 195+ players, and suitable amounts as you down the ladder. A sensible amount of them can hit that too. They even get generated in many positions. Although there is a prevelance to blinding midfielders.
Thanks for that, it's good that a few starlets were already called up for other nations then, that way we'll be able to see how one starlet can influence various nations.Secondly a U21 cap doesn't count as declaring for a nation. So theoretically the players could take that second nationality. Unfortunately because of the way U21 callups are worked, unless they get injured and picked for their new nation in the brief time between recovering and the next match, they'll probably be England for life. I've tried lots of things to get around this issue (making the England manager blind to talent etc) but without much success. The only real way that a superstar could boost a nation by playing for them is if that was their only nationality. Naturally that goes against the grain somewhat so they end up being English.
A couple predictions:
Although all Bandits will leave within 1.5-2 years, at least 3 will return to play together before they end their playing careers.
Bandits average close to 3GF, .6GA in first season.
Sherrifs end up in 2nd and advance as well. However, while the bandits achieve at least playoff position in their second season, the sherrifs struggle.
Bandits achieve Premiership status after 18 seasons...sherrifs follow more slowly, taking 23 years.
Enjoying the thread.
Read through the previous experiment on and off the past month or so, have to say can't wait for the updates.
Not that good at predictions but...
- Bandits and Sheriffs to be promoted first season.
- All idiots to leave Sheriffs in January.
- No original Bandits players left by end of Summer transfer window (2nd season)
- 25 years before the Bandits reach the premier league, Sheriffs about 5 years later
Good one mate Looking forward to it
I'd say
- Both the bandits and sheriffs to storm their league in their first two seasons, with back to back promotions
- After the second season, their growth will be stunted as players will start leaving
- Idiots to have better careers than the players in the Bandits
Excellent, the bandits are back!
Here are my predictions-
-The bandits to storm the league undefeated
-The sheriffs to get promoted in second place.
-All bar one of the sheriffs original players to leave in January, the last following in the summer.
-All of the bandits to leave in/or before the summer
-Sheriffs to get successive promotions (due to having a squad in place)
-Bandits to struggle initially after promotion (due to not having a squad in place)
-The sheriffs to plateau in the 1st division initally then yo yo between the championship and the 1st division for a couple of years but steady progression for the bandits.
-Bandits to beat the sheriffs into the premiership.
-Idiots to play in the premiership before any of the original bandits.
-A former bandit to coach the bandits within 20 seasons
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Incidentally Kip, what are the stadium capacities of the respective grounds of the Bandits and the Sheriffs? You said they were big, I was wondering how big and if they'll fill them every week. Also, do the grounds have expansion capacities?
I'm irrationally excited
Bring on season one!
i think the grounds should have had about a 20-30k cap. so when they got big. it'll be interesting to see if they move to another stadium and if not.. would it hinder their success!
I have been so busy recently i haven't had time to read until now.
Huge follower of the last thread (didn't really become a poster until recently).
Your updates make a great read and can't wait until the ball is rolling.
Appreciate all the work you have put in over the years and the years to come
I am really anticipating that first update, can't wait to see if our expectations are met and what the new AI and variables will throw up.
Eagerly anticipating the first update Kip! Have all the players of The Bandits got each other down as favoured staff? And maybe more importantly do the four Sheriff players have each other listed as favoured staff? I hold my breath waiting for the first update! (Don't keep me waiting too long...)
it doesnt take this long to do a season or so surely?
No... but he has that pesky thing they call a life
May even take a bit longer than it took before because of the addition on the Sheriffs aswell.
Even in the later stages i still see the updates being longer due to players going into Management.
I just know i will end up losing so much time of my life reading these updates like i did the last 2 years.
Also, if the games are being played on full detail, it'll take a while anyway.
And theres ALOT of leagues being run
I don't think that the most time consuming thing is running the season, regardless of the number of leagues or teams, it's probably typing up the entire season report and putting all the screenshots online for us but in all honesty I'd rather wait and get a quality report like Kipfizh got us used to than speed up the process because the experiment would lose some of its quality so it's all about patience now and letting Kipfizh take the time he needs. Quality > quantity.
Villanation -
You'll learn to be patient.
A rather disturbing number of us checked the previous Bandits thread daily for an unreasonably long time, usually with no update to be found. But it sure is sweet when there's a new update.
You'll become accustomed to the following sequence:
1) Bandits update!
2) Lots of discussion, gradually tapering off
3) A lull...
4) Intermittent posts/inquiries/speculations about the status of Kipfizh's health, professional life, hardware status, love life, pub attendance, rumored capture by wolves, suspected run-ins with the law, possible treatment related to Chutes and Ladders-related gambling, participation in government-funded zero-gravity FM experimentation, probable abduction by little green men while participating in aforementioned government-funded zero-gravity FM experimentation, etc.
5) Bandits update!
Rinse and repeat.
Welcome to Bandits Nation.
'Sack the board, sack the board, sack the board...'
Lmao....add to that frequently hitting your refresh button, glued to this page desperate for your next fix of the Bandits saga.....or is that just me?Villanation -
You'll learn to be patient.
A rather disturbing number of us checked the previous Bandits thread daily for an unreasonably long time, usually with no update to be found. But it sure is sweet when there's a new update.
You'll become accustomed to the following sequence:
1) Bandits update!
2) Lots of discussion, gradually tapering off
3) A lull...
4) Intermittent posts/inquiries/speculations about the status of Kipfizh's health, professional life, hardware status, love life, pub attendance, rumored capture by wolves, suspected run-ins with the law, possible treatment related to Chutes and Ladders-related gambling, participation in government-funded zero-gravity FM experimentation, probable abduction by little green men while participating in aforementioned government-funded zero-gravity FM experimentation, etc.
5) Bandits update!
Rinse and repeat.
Welcome to Bandits Nation.
'Sack the board, sack the board, sack the board...'
Oh, don't worry, slipknot. It's not just you. We're a sorry, sad, sick lot.
I only caught the tail-end of the last one. I may pay more attention to this since I'm here from the start.
Very interesting indeed
Great to see this experiment back again.
I only started reading the 07 one towards the end, but I found it to be a fascinating insight into the game.
I predict the Bandits will reach the Premiership much quicker this time, maybe in around 15 years.
The Sheriffs will do it in a similar time. Once the idiot players leave they'll settle down and be fine, even with an idiot chairman imo.
I look forward to the first update.
Honestly i am almost as interested in Millers future for the Sheriffs.
He seems to be destined for majot things.
Will he pick up the idiots' bad habits though, could he play for England before any of the Bandits? Could he even more controversially move to the Bandits! The possibilities for excitement are endless!
There are so many maybes that predictions are more or less pointless, but I'll have a go anyway:
Bandits to get promoted first season.
Sheriffs to bottle it in the playoffs and win the league season 2.
Bandits to get into the league quite quickly, maybe after 2 or 3 seasons.
From there I think the Sheriffs may initially rocket past The Bandits, until they crash and burn from spending far too much money. When they will crash and burn is difficult to say, but I'm going to go for in the Championship after many failed promotion attempts with cash thrown around.
Bandits will win the league within 30 years, but will not be the dominant force domestically or in europe, that will probably be a) Arsenal or b) a popular championship team that has good luck.
Can't wait for this one to start, definately going to be even more sucessful than the previous one.
KUTGW Kip!!
i am another who read every word of the 07 thread but never posted. caught up with it over a few weeks to around 2030 and followed from there. was fantastic.
really looking forward to this starting and see what happens...
Im stupidly excited by this.
My predictions for the experiment are:
*Bandits to achieve back to back promotions in first two seasons
*Sheriffs to acheive promotion season 1 but not season 2. They will be promoted season 3
*Bandits and Sheriffs will both be Premiership clubs but not for 20 years
*One of the bandits strikers to score 60+ goals in season 1
*Bandits to win FA cup in season 1
*Kipfizh to be awarded a knighthood in the next honours list (this might be a longshot)
I've heard the ransom money has almost been gathered together and Kip should be free soon.
I don't remember waiting for the child to be born this hard to wait for!
kip how long do you write a new update? just curiosity...
Oh we the ever so faithful, waiting for our next fix of Bandit-Mania. Keep us not waiting, oh master storyteller, for we grow more needful of an update.
But, seriously take your time Kipfizh, I'm looking forward to what is sure to be a fantastic update.
I have a really strong feeling that today will be the day
dosen't take this long to finish a season... surely??
Why hesitate to see the update? Rather think about the joy you'll experience while reading it, watching Bandits storm the league & so on... Also do not bump the thread with asking this stuff, I got excited like the update has been posted or something
This thread is crazy, in a good way
We've had the introduction and thats it and we're on the second page. Wonder how many pages we'll get when we do get the update. Don't rush Kip I'm defo in the camp that wants quality and not half baked updates. If the updates are of previous quality then Kips got twice the work with the 2 teams.
Viva la bandits
Well if we carry on the way we're going we'll be at page 3 within an hour .
I'm thinking I might break from the pack and declare the Sheriffs as my team from the get go. In fact, yes. There we go. I'm a Sheriffs man!! Who's with me!?
Down with the Bandits!!
I know my end of season reports for the dafuge and gundo challenges, which only run to 3 or 4 paragraphs with maybe a dozen screenshots, can take a couple of hours to get together.


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I am not sure how to work this one out.
I am suppose to find the area of this parametric equation.
$$y = b\sin\theta, x = a\cos\theta$$
$$0 \leq 0 \leq 2\pi$$
I set up the equation in the memorized formula.
$$\int_0^{2\pi} \sqrt{1 + \left(\frac{b\cos\theta}{-a\sin\theta}\right)^2}d\theta$$
$$\int_0^{2\pi} \sqrt{1 + \frac{b^2\cos^2\theta}{a^2\sin^2\theta}}d\theta$$
$$\int_0^{2\pi} \sqrt{1 + \frac{b^2}{a^2}\cdot \csc^2\theta}d\theta$$
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Is there an antonym for 'Formalize'?
As to make something not formal.
Would it be Deformalize, Unformalise, Informalize, or something else?
Is there an antonym for 'Formalize'?
As to make something not formal.
Deformalize is the correct term. The dictionary gives the origin and definition :
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Deformalize and informalize both are synonyms and mean exactly what you are looking for - the antonym for formalize. Since informal is a well-known word (an antonym for formal), it should be easier for others to understand informalize than to understand deformalize.
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More restrooms, changing rooms and trash receptacles could go a long way toward improving the behavior of rafters, inner-tubers and others enjoying themselves on the Animas River, city officials said Monday.
�We will create amenities so they will behave more legally,� said Cathy Metz, the director of the city�s Parks and Recreation Department. �We�ll create changing rooms so they�re not changing (clothes) in the middle of the street.�
Metz unveiled a draft of the Animas River Corridor Management Plan during a public hearing at the Durango Community Recreation Center.
The proposed plan will also be discussed with citizen advisory boards this month before a revised version goes to the City Council for a vote.
City staff wrote the plan for managing recreation along 16 miles of river after soliciting input from interest groups as varied as homeowners, rafters, anglers and conservationists from a series of meetings held earlier this year.
Because of the competing interests, consensus could not be reached on all issues.
Homeowners, for instance, have lobbied for a stronger law-enforcement presence on the river, but recreational boaters and inner-tubers had objected. So a law-enforcement presence on the river didn�t make it into the plan, Metz said.
Disappointed homeowner Tim Wolf described the annoyance of listening to beer-drinking boaters and inner-tubers blasting their boom boxes as they drift by his house at a �tenth-of-a-mile-an-hour.�
Buck Skillen urged the inclusion of tougher language to discourage bad behavior on the river. People need to know there will be a �full-court press� to enforce law. The city will be �busting butt,� he said
Because the plan describes a lot of in-stream improvements and new amenities for areas where boats are put into the river, Mike Fenton thought the plan did not give enough attention to conservation efforts. He wanted to know what the city will do to protect wildlife and natural habitats.
�I�m looking for some teeth,� Fenton said. �I�m wondering where the buck stops.�
City Councilor Dick White suggested the plan could have an appendix that listed areas of disagreement and possible solutions.
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