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[ Pictured in the image above, Carlton Ott, Clark Rice, Steve Hamm, Steve Parrish, David Jay, Dewayne Herring, Andy Hughes, Gary Coleman, and Scott Smith ]
The Alabama Justice Project has obtained documents that reveal a Dothan Police Department's Internal Affairs investigation was covered up by the district attorney. A group of up to a dozen police officers on a specialized narcotics team are believed to have planted drugs and weapons on young black men for years. They were supervised at the time by Lt. Steve Parrish, current Dothan Police Chief, and Sgt. Andy Hughes, current Asst. Director of Homeland Security for the State of Alabama. All of the officers reportedly were members of a Neoconfederate organization that the Southern Poverty Law Center labels "racial extremists." The group has advocated for blacks to "return" to Africa, published that the civil rights movement is really a Jewish conspiracy, and that blacks have lower IQ's . Both Parrish and Hughes held leadership positions in the group and are pictured above holding a confederate battle flag at one of the club's secret meetings.
The documents shared reveal that the internal affairs investigation was covered up to protect the aforementioned officers' law enforcement careers and keep them from being criminally prosecuted.
Several long term Dothan law enforcement officers, all part of an original group that initiated the investigation, believe the public has a right to know that the Dothan Police Department, and District Attorney Doug Valeska, targeted young black men by planting drugs and weapons on them over a decade. Most of the young men were prosecuted, many sentenced to prison, and some are still in prison. Many of the officers involved were subsequently promoted and are in leadership positions in law enforcement. They hope the mood of the country is one that demands action and that the US Department of Justice will intervene.
The group of officers requested they be granted anonymity, and shared hundreds of files from the Internal Affairs Division. They reveal a pattern of criminal behavior from within the highest levels of the Dothan Police Department and the district attorney's office in the 20th Judicial District of Alabama. Multiple current and former officers have agreed to testify if United States Attorney General Loretta Lynch appoints a special prosecutor from outside the state of Alabama, or before a Congressional hearing. The officers believe that there are currently nearly a thousand wrongful convictions resulting in felonies from the 20th Judicial District that are tied to planted drugs and weapons and question whether a system that allows this can be allowed to continue to operate.
Members of the Henry County Report have spent weeks analyzing the documents. The originals, secured at an N.G.O. in Canada, are being shared directly with attorneys in the U.S. Dept. of Justice Civil Rights Division, and are being made available to the lawyers of those falsely convicted that seek to clear their names. The initial effort is to identify the 50 potential victims identified in the case folders of the officer investigated that were outstanding before the court at the time of his investigation. Then further identify the drug arrests made by the other members of the team that had written complaints filed against by fellow officers, that alleged targeting of minorities as is evidenced in the letter presented to the city commision in the leaked documents.
There are two federal lawsuits currently pending by former police officers Keith Gray and Raemonica Carney against the Dothan Police Department. They will be given access as well as they potentially substantiate their claims of racial discrimination and city's violation of a federal court decree.
The documents appear to serve as irrefutable evidence of criminal activity at the highest levels of the Dothan Police Department.
Beginning in early 1996, the Dothan Police Department received complaints from black victims that drugs and weapons were being planted. Specifically young black men who had clean records were targeted. Police Chief, John White, allegedly instructed senior officers to ignore the complaints and they willingly complied.
In early 1998, we have been given information that a group of concerned white officers from within the Police Department complained in writing about what they witnessed. This is reflected in the document below where it refers to a series of allegations that took place over 11 months before the department acted. The initial written complaint from the department's own officers is dated June, 1998. The internal memo documents the last allegation as occurring in April of 1999. Almost a year of internal complaints by the department's own police officers passed before Chief White turned it over to the Internal Affairs Division.
On August 27, 1999 more than a dozen officers had allegations against them for planting drugs and weapons on black men they had falsely arrested. They were each notified of a formal investigation and required to prepare statements in writing to the Internal Affairs Division. One was then tested by polygraph examination, and reportedly failed. The notification of charges reference a combination of marijuana, cocaine, and guns being planted on citizens during arrests that were witnessed by multiple fellow police officers.
All of these cases involving planted drugs and weapons were subsequently prosecuted by District Attorney, Doug Valeska, despite the written allegations by police officers that the evidence was planted. Never was any such information shared in the discovery process with the defendant's attorneys. We have been advised that each of these are considered potential felonies committed by the district attorney. The law clearly requires that the prosecutor is required to turn over any evidence that is favorable to the accussed.
One of the officers alleged to have planted drugs and guns, Michael Magrino, now a private investigator working for the state's Indigent Defense Fund was alleged to have stolen weapons and undocumented drugs in his car. A former Dothan police officer familiar with the case told us that "Under no circumstances was this legal, he (Magrino) should have been immediately taken into custody prosecuted but he was not because Lt. Parrish defended him and blocked it." "They covered the chiefs conference table, it was unbelievable what he had, all untagged or documented."
Magrino subsequently was administered a polygraph test in which he failed miserably, which is illustrated below.
The documents leaked to us appear to reveal that Magrino contacted District Attorney Doug Valeska and Andy Hughes to intervene into the Internal Affairs investigation. The internal affairs investigatorKeith Gray as well spoke with the district attorney. There is no possibility that the district attorney can deny he did not have knowledge of this incident nor the investigation.
The head of the Internal Affairs investigation, Sgt. Keith Gray, reportedly warned Magrino this was a violation of the departmental procedures. Magrino then reportedly threatened to go to the press if he was fired, according to the investigator and a taped interview with Andy Hughes.
"He basically would have done anything to save his skin," one of the officers told us.
In the internal affairs documents, three names worth noting appear repeatedly.
Capt. Carlton "Bubba" Ott, now commander of the department's Criminal Investigation Division, Steve Parrish, current Chief, and Andy Hughes, former Sheriff and current Director of Homeland Security for the state.
All were aware of the investigation and its outcome. All have been rewarded with careers in law enforcement by those for whom they covered, while those who spoke out were forced out of the department. Disturbingly, Ott and Parrish have both attended the FBI academy. Both were highly recommended by the district attorney and former Police Chief, John White.
However, not one of these officers, or members of the district attorney's office, had the moral courage to do the right thing and correct the wrongful prosecutions against the young men who had drugs and weapons planted on them. Disturbingly, on his web site, John White lists that he is a adjunct professor at Troy University's Criminal Justice Program and advertises asking people to let him protect them in the courtroom.
All of these men are now in secure positions of leadership in law enforcement. Many of the men wrongly convicted however are still in prison and have felonies on their record, their lives destroyed.
The results of a polygraph tests given to officers like Michael Magrino were conclusive. The result was DECEPTION STRONGLY INDICATED – probability of deception was greater than 99%.
The result of the internal affairs investigation found that many of the officers should be discharged such as the document below states in Officer Magrino's case.
The scale of the problem facing the city is indicated in Magrino's files where it mentions some 50 cases alone in his arrests that were questionably prosecuted. This number does not take into account the previous cases where he was the arresting officer, or the nearly dozen other officers in the squad with allegations against them by fellow officers. On Magrino's web site he lists the following experience.
Internal Affairs Sergeant, Keith Gray, recommended that Magrino be immediately discharged, and his previous cases reopened for investigation, and the judges and attorneys of those convicted be immediately notified. Gray as, other officers, believed there were possibly hundreds of false arrests in the system by the group of officers, historically perhaps over a thousand if one considers the officers who had complaints against them on the team and their records of drug arrests for the previous years.
However, at this point, our sources and the documents confirm the investigation was shut down, and the files ordered "buried" by Police Chief, John White, and District Attorney, Doug Valeska. The lead investigator, Sgt Keith Gray was not allowed by his superior Chief John White to continue the investigation into the other officers named. This becomes evidenced by a "concerned group Dothan police officers" who subsequently try to get the US Attorney involved but fail. White then launched an investigation to determine which officers were writing the letters and silent them.
The original group of officers were dismayed that the investigation was covered up. Even more disturbing, the officers responsible were then promoted in the department. They allege the practice of planting drugs continued for years on black men by those who were part of the group.
On November 9th an unsigned letter by the officers was put on Dothan City Commissioner Don Clement's desk. In the letter, officers detail how the investigation was covered up and they used officer Magrino as an example, referencing stolen guns and drugs in his patrol car.
They refer to the issue that Magrino, like the other dozen officers had, executed hundreds of arrests that should be questioned in light of the results of the internal affairs investigation.
The letter indicates that federal law enforcement authorities were not notified as required by the department's and state's policies.
The letter directly implicates the top management of the Dothan Police Department as being complicit in a cover up of hundreds of felonies. Chief John White responded two weeks later in a letter to Dothan City Manager Jerry Gwaltney copied below.
Note carefully that White stated in writing:
This is at direct odds with the assertions of fellow officers and the lead investigator who handled the case for the internal affairs department.
White appears to have completely misrepresented the ongoing internal affairs investigation, that is evidenced in a letter to him by Sgt Keith Gray where he found that one of the officers in question, Michael Magrino, should be discharged.
Further, White seems to have forgotten the previous multiple written complaints by fellow officers implicating a dozen officers who were witnessed planting drugs and guns on black men dating back to 1998, or the fact that he ordered the cases turned over to internal affairs in the first place.
White's own words, as early as Nov 1999, are clear evidence of a cover up.
Police Chief John White was then deposed in an unrelated lawsuit where in June of 2001 he gave the following sworn deposition. Again, note that White appears to mislead and give multiple false statements under oath. At this point, he should have had his APOST certification stripped and been prosecuted.
In the deposition, it appears that Police Chief, John White, now a lawyer and Troy University criminal justice professor, is being misleading. With the leaked internal affairs investigation now made public, it's obvious his sworn testimony is at odds with his written words to city officials, and it appears he lied under oath.
The larger issue could be no less than hundreds of wrongly convicted black men and tens of millions of dollars in potential damages, as well as potential prison terms for himself and the district attorney and those who assisted them.
The original group of police officers responsible for the written complaints were in disbelief and for years afterward attempted to get federal assistance to help those wrongly convicted and continued to warn of the practice of the narcotics team of planting drugs on young black men. The officers who were responsible for the narcotics team, Steve Parrish and Andy Hughes, continued to be advanced in rank and were richly rewarded for their complicity in hiding the truth.
For two decades District Attorney, Doug Valeska, having full knowledge of the situation, proceeded to earn a reputation across the Wiregrass as a tough prosecutor while knowingly prosecuting black men whom he knew the evidence was planted on them in their cases. The district attorney's office took in millions of dollars in court fees and their pre-trial diversion program.
The group of police officers who chose to notify federal authorities and the US Attorney in a series of constructed letters to protect their own safety documented is below as many had their lives threatened by fellow officers.
By coming forward almost a decade later after these letters, this group of officers who witnessed drugs and weapons being planted and had the moral courage to bravely do the right thing are hoping the United States Department of Justice will intervene. The want a specially appointed federal prosecutor, from outside the state of Alabama to hold District Attorney, Doug Valeska, former Chief, John White, current Chief, Steve Parrish, Homeland Security Director, Andy Hughes, and Capt Carleton Ott responsible. But most importantly, attempt to make those hundreds of young black men's lives whole again who have been victims of the Dothan Police Department.
They believe the time for justice has come.
Editors note: We contacted Dothan Police Chief Steve Parrish regarding this article and he declined comment, however we agreed to cooperate with him to redact any personal information from the documents that we share with the public that would compromise an ongoing investigation or put an individual at risk.
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How can people have any respect for the Dothan Police when their standards are so low? Why isn't this story being told in mainstream media? This is ridiculous!
This was also found to be happening in Oakland, CA ("Oakland Riders" case) in Philadelphia, but the cops weren't in a White Supremacist organization. Cops do this on a widespread basis. When they get exposed, police departments spin it to seem as if the practices were confined to only a few officers even though there's often proof to that the practices were normal. The way they spin it is by saying that these officers were in a particular club. While I'm sure these cops in particular were in a club, I'd bet that the participants in the practices included cops who weren't. Cops feel that they are judge and jury and look at court systems as a tool for assault. They also believe what they see on TV, they believe that Black and Brown folks are savages and that they are the heroes who need to lock the savages up. They do this to White people too, but it's easier for them to do it to Black and Brown folks.
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Interesting article. A shame about the banter of IQ after the fact as if that were of any importance or significance.
I was hoping to find some substantive information in there rather than fervor over what IQ someone has. Silly me.
I hope that we can all move beyond and try to work together to fix our communities rather than further exacerbate tensions.
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Sad. White supremacy is a religion and racism is a sport. These fake cop Trojan horses and their defenders disgust me. Terrorist aren't coming to America. They're already here. Get the movie "Arlington Road"? What will it take to clean up filthy Alabama, another UNcivill War? Why is it called the Civil War anyway? But I digress. GET A LIFE HATERS! If I could have just one wish it would be that all haters, black or white, die in their sleep tonight. Hey that rhymes. ALL HATERS BLACK OR WHITE, DIE IN YOUR SLEEP TONIGHT.
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The police Chief was illegally hired in a meeting that did not comply with the Alabama Open Meetings Law. I protested this and it is pending at the State Attorney's Offie as an investigation. Maybe someone can tell me why it takes months to see how a notice was posted or not. This was also reported to the FBI, the President, the Attorney General and the Court as a motion to FREE THE SLAVES IN DOTHAN, AL, in the Keith Gray Case. The information is not new. The situation is dire in the Southeast Alabama Area.
The Chief of Police should have been vetted before hiring in April and all hate group, hate watch group members must go from policing. This is a man who has recruited his subordinates to join an organization which excludes the blacks and women while at work while it is a clear violation of policy to do such things, at work. The organizaiton would be fine, except, other factors in his background say clearly that he is a Confederate – compatriot, waves and enemy flag of the United States of America, supports slavery and this is not history, because he created an organizaiton within the police department which promoted its members over others within the department. It is true that blacks served as Confederate Soldiers, however, it is offensive to the fellow officers when their superior offier recruits persons to align with him, in an organization which promotes rebels who stood against the United States of America at a time when many were slaves. Couple this with a man who allegedly fraternized with the KKK and named his som after the first Grand Wizard, you have a troubling combination. Read the court documents, he allegedly made up the information on police reports to have black officers fired. There is a serious need to vet the public safety personnel and follow due process of law. Our town does not do this and this is what we end up with, someone who calls journalists names, but allegedly was involved in investigations which they ought to be able to provide documents for, since they are alble to say that they are authentic and the deparment is transparent. What a travesty of injustice and racism.
In his press release, Parrish commented on this article below which drew multiple death threats in order to silence people about this matter. This article, in which a blogger threatens that people will be killed, and also states that Steve Parrish-Police Chief of Dothan Police and Don Valenza- Houston County Sheriff can verify who he is. Read this and all of the comments by Ron Watson and ask yourself, why has the Dothan Police not promoted people coming forward with information and why he attacks the Henry County Report for their efforts where Court TV, and America's most wanted failed:
In the commnts section, there is a man named Ron Watson, to read these comments from what is supposed to be a badged, DOD Employee, DEA officer or some badge toting official in the area gives an idea of what we face in the wiregrass in policing. In this thread, Jacqui Burgoon commented about being harassed by this man while Steve Parrish's comments seem to taunt Jon Carroll for exposing what is said to be police-involved murders and a serious drug ring in the area. In my opibnion, this man's comments are terroristic towards the general public who might even try to help to solve these murders. This area has many unsolved murders, Jacqui's sister and Hawlett's father and Hawlett's sister. When someone like a Ron Watson states that Steve Parrish and Don Valenza can verify who he is, while his comments states that people will be killed, one has to wonder who is Steve Parrish and who is Don Valenza, Chief of Police-Dothan, AL and Sheriff of Houston County, AL?
While the bunch of you argue over something that isn't the subject of the above article, chew on this. James made the subject about intellectual differences between the races, and guess what, all but a handful of the comments bought right into it. So many of you are the "pot cursing the kettle for being black".
The main body of the story involves police corruption, not intelligence levels of this race or that.
The documentation, though it does indicate some level of corruption, provides no witness to Mr. Magrino ever having knowledge of his "planting of evidence". That would cause what is known as the "shadow of doubt", and would make it difficult to prosecute. Without any other witnesses who saw or have knowledge of "planting evidence" by Magrino this case will probably go nowhere. It also clearly states that the investigation of Magrino was about mishandling of evidence, not planting it. For which, Mr. Magrino resigned, whether to avoid departmental punishment or to protect other officers from being investigated as well, is yet to be determined.
Many of the sites and organizations who shared this story have already submitted retractions and taken this story off of their site or page.
Furthermore, James has only sparked a race debate, which again, you all bought into like sheep being led to slaughter.
Thank you for reading.
It's real easy to led blacks down the path you want them to take. They are always anxious to play the race card. They are gullible and present a format that always disseminates the information you want distributed. One of those ancillary benefits they don't even realize they're providing. lol
Well James, your comments I find abhorrently disconcerting in regard to racial issues in this country today. It is because of comments like you have made that keep the racial fire in this country fueled. I am not calling you out as the only perpetrator of this. There are several others whom have replied to your comments, and with every reply the atmosphere of the conversation gets more and more divisive.
I am simply stating, stop being a part of the problem and start being a part of the solution. In other words keep your racially slanderous remarks out of your comments.
Yes, I know that first paragraph states that the members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans believe that blacks are intellectually inferior to whites, however that is not the subject of the article. That statement is speculation at best, as Mr. Carroll cannot, with absolute certainty, confirm the beliefs of all individuals in that group.
Again, I don't have all of the facts and perhaps neither does Mr. Carroll. Therefore, I can make no determination into the innocence or guilt of Magrino.
I for one, don't care if you are black, white, red, yellow or pink with purple polka dots. Good people are good people, no matter the color of their skin and deserve to be treated as fairly as the next guy.
Mr when telling the truth is stirring the racial flame then i guess i'm guilty. Why not just accept the facts and say so what? If the truth offends someone then they should strive to change the truth from present conditions. It offends me when whites get blamed for everything that goes wrong in a black mans life.
I think you are mistakenly assuming that what's posted is all they have. I doubt that's true. And what none of us know is what the live testimony is. Most cases are decided on live testimony. I know, I tried cases for nearly 30 years.
Also, what's been posted makes for an extremely strong circumstantial case. Give me one of those any day. Circumstantial cases are the strongest.
Jeff, as i said earlier, it appears there was some type of wrongdoing/cover up, although the extent can't be determined. But, I feel if they had any information that was morn damning than that, it would have been posted along with the rest. If there is more, who knows, they may have turned that into the DOJ.
How many of you slackers believe the flag in that picture is the official flag of the Confederate States of America?
Silence, James! We have had enough of your diversion tactics. 5 flags of the confederacy including the Army of Virgina. And they all burn really really well.
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Dear Chief Parrish: There are Investigative Journalists like myself who are in the process of uncovering and documenting abuse of police power in Southeast Alabama and Northwest Florida. Certainly not all police officers are involved in this activity, but it has been centered among a group of officers and court officials who are or have been members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
In 2006 Stan Peacock a Defense Attorney with the Marianna Public Defender's office was the local president. The Sons of Confederate Veterans are neo-nazi, skin-heads and biker group who have blended in with police officers to control and run black drug gangs. They promote themselves as simply Civil War Enactment players, yet they have hundreds of military posts in the United States and Germany adopting the fascist line of the outlawed Nazi party.
In Alabama disgraced federal judge Mark Fuller's law partner is a member of the Elba, AL post. By your own admission and federal court paperwork you have been an active member of that group. I speak from a position of credibility in that the Sons of Confederate Veterans targeted me for malicious prosecution and were likely involved with arranging the murder of my mother Nellie Ruth Caylor on August 2, 2006 and the attempted murder of myself on that date and later in March 2014 at Headland, Alabama.
In 1978 Dothan Police narcotics detective Robert Jackson was assassinated by this group of individuals. In March of 2014 after surviving the attempted murder on myself at Headland, Alabama with an arson firebombing and electrocution booby-trap I setup camp in a Dothan motel and began to dig for answers and asked the local Dothan, Mobile and Montgomery Offices of the FBI to investigate. A source who worked at that motel came to arrange a meeting to shed light on the incident.
A motel front desk employee Cameron Parrish blocked that attempt and told the source she had no business supplying information against the Dothan Police Department. I subsequently arranged a private meeting with the source and was forced to abort it when officers of your Dothan, PD and Houston County Sheriff's department showed at the meeting. Afterwards – back at the motel I approached Cameron Parrish and we almost had a physical altercation when he attempted to jump over the front desk and assault me.
Parrish stated I had no business investigating Dothan Police and he was well informed about the local FBI and critical information since that agency is located in the same bank building as his mother's employer and that is the accounting and collections division of Southeast Alabama Medical Center whom I believe may be "money laundering drug money", along with the United Methodist Foundation at Dothan and I know for a fact the FBI in D.C. launched an investigation on the latter.
It is important I point out before closing that in the late 90's and early 2000 time frame I assisted prosecutors on the Jim Blackmon case and discovered hidden financial statements covering up embezzlement of funds from Southeast Medical Center and Jim Blackmon took the fall for those people, I found those hidden documents in a rat hole in the ceiling of the Houston County Clerk of Court office and had to get a ladder to search the ceiling – talk about corruption and cover-ups, Nice try with your letter but I remind you there are no statute of limitations on murder.
Are you the same Caylor that dad was a police chief, had a friend named Cliff in Miami and had a cousin dealing pot?
Yes – I'm that John Caylor not the one Watson has wrongfully referred to in his posts. I've been after these people since 1970.
I've enjoyed reading a couple of your articles. I am familiar with one individual you wrote about. You got it right about that individual. I;m not so sure you have it right about the Sons of Confederate Veterans. I know a couple members and they love blacks as much as Jon Carroll. Maybe it's just deception .
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This thread should be about the news article (barely) above. Instead, we see everyone talking about some idiotic statistics mentioned. Maybe people could FOCUS on the complete misreading of the highly redacted documents as well as the obviously intentionally incorrect conclusions of the blogger (who has an obvious agenda). I read the documents and all but one appear to related to an officer mishandling evidence which he was released for. The last one contained so many grammatical errors I found it almost impossible to read much less derive any useful info from. When they can post docs with actual proof of any allegations of misconduct related to the articles title I will comment further. Get a grip folks.
Your comment further will just be to attack the evidence over and over and even after conviction, you will STILL defend these low IQ pigs and what they have done to citizens of Dothan.
Save it. You had your chance to fix your town. We will send down Al Sharpton to lead a rally with confederate flags flying, and then burn that accursed stars and bars on the courthouse steps.
No one wants to hear your opinion. You, sir, are dismissed.
Excuse me. Since when did you start speaking for everyone. And you must have reading comprehension issues as well. I don't know why your throwing the confederate flag in to the middle of our discussion. Haven't mentioned it and could care less about it. I am specifically referring to the posted documents not matching up with the articles title. If they post said documents i will gladly peruse them. Until then my comment stands and could care less what YOU think.
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Why are you using Jon Carrol as your name when apparently Mose Kalev is your real name? What are hiding from?
Get a grip Rickey.
This is massive police corruption and should be punished to the full extent of the law. Let the trials begin. Afford the accused a fair trail that they denied to their victims. Give them hard time if found guilty.
I am a conservative white man who doesnt normally support black charges of racism but this case is a slam dunk example of it. Racism in the arena of criminal justice where innocents are railroaded just because of their race is really vile. Corrupt cops of any stripe should be vigorously prosecuted especially when they abuse the immense powers given to them by society.
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Pigs pigging Pigs. Police policing police. What could go wrong. This is sooo sooo wrong in a a free and democrating society. Throw them all in jail, but NOOOOO, that would be wrong, lets give them all a chance to get away with this by blaming someone else. This makes me so sick, why do you think everybody wants marijuana to be legal, people are tired of seeing this kind of disrespectful disrespect of those who pass a 6 month course to be a cop, slap on a badge and shove a loaded gun on their belt. Now if police were policed by the general public, this wouldn't be happening. Just like police who are also firemen, and plant fires so they can get into your LIFE. NOOO that couldn't happen. Police policing police, what could go wrong? It's just other peoples' lives that are being ruined, so a few can get their pay and pension, so they can buy all the apartments cause nobody else has any money, thank you Democracy. Freedom for all or Freedom for some to impose their self righteous ideology of freedom on others. PIGS smell like pigs.
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Hello Admin, Honestly this blog is so useful, I never said i questioned how the information was presented. I said i questioned the extent of the information depicted in the article. There is a big difference in what i said and what you assert.I personally think if would be hard for that much corruption to take place and not surface before now. I never said no corruption took place. Some or any might have and some might not. Everything i read was more accusation than conviction.
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…..I have proof….they use fake search warrants, and the District attorneys along with the Judges and defense attorneys allow it and go as far as providing fake indictments to match . And they target underprivileged citizens who can't put their money where their mouth is as the chief said. Defendants don't have rights at the Houston county courthouse if they can't afford an attorney outside of the buddy system,The u.s constitution doesn't exist for young black men and other underprivileged citizens of Dothan. Most of our appointed attorneys are former d.a and narcotics officers, who like mark Johnson went from narcotics to d.a to defense attorney and back to d.a. after forcing countless innocent people to take plea bargains as their attorney. I'm going to leak my documents that are more recent proof of injustice since the chief has called anyone with proof to step forward. Though he should probably rethink calling us out because he thinks Doug valeska,along with his clerks,defense attorneys and judges have covered up all the injustice by labeling forged cases justified and locking away the victims. But it doesn't change the facts that prove the u.s constitution and the due process of law are irrelevant in Dothan for young black men And underprivileged citizens who have to be represented by appointed counsel who help carry out this injustice by forcing everyone into plea bargains instead of challenging the injustice of these criminals.
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Steve Parrish was chosen as the police chief when there were 16 candidates who did not belong to the Sons of the Confederate Veterans or the KKK. Steve Parrish has a son named after the First Grand Dragon of the KKK and this son is less than 31 years old; the time that he has been on the force. I am told that he is still a teenager. Steve Parrish recruited persons from the police department to join the Sons of the Confederate Veterans while at work, yet when the black officers asked for applications, it is my information that they were denied. Apparently he was recruiting for a racist, sexist organization at work and now those members are high ranking police officers who remain there. This is outrageous if I stopped here, it would disqualify anyone as a police officer. I have loud this choice for our next police chief, after I had reported a murder which went un-investigated by the Dothan PD. When I attempted to build a green jobs training center in 2013, The Downtown Redevelopment Authority engaged in illegal Asbestos Removal and the building was burned down in July 2014. Several federal investigations are pending on this matter and this catapulted me into the spotlight as an advocate for change in this area, based on Due Process of Law for everyone.
Steve Parrish's name is mentioned 38 times in the Federal Judge's Opinion in the Ivan Keith Gray v. The City of Dothan case which is still pending in the Middle District of Alabama. It clearly sets forth 28 years of racial hate, hostile environment and conspiracies to violate civil rights, just like this incident.
Keith Gray, a 28 year veteran of the Dothan Police Department is the only black to ever make the rank of Captain on the Dothan Police Force. He had to sue in court to be hired when they closed the roster untimely, when he became the next to be hired. Keith also sued in order to advance within the department, yet he was deliberately looked over, discriminated against and had the description of the jobs changed several times to prevent his advancement to Chief. This Federal Judge's Opinion (Judge Myron Thompson) reads like a Jim Crow Handbook. (Jon, please link that Opinion here). He and officer Carney, were denied training which was given to white officers, including the FBI school according to court documents. Keith was an investigator on the weapons and drug planting cases and recommended that the culprits be fired and punished, yet Magrino is now the investigator on the Kharon Davis case where the same District Attorney has had this young man sitting in Houston County Jail for over 8 years without a trial or bail for a capital murder case that he maintains that he did not commit. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-ala-man-jail-8-years-awaiting-trial-article-1.2422168
The mother is seeking to have him released due to the failure to provide a speedy trial,cruel and unusual punishment and indicates that he is severely malnourished. Yet he still wrote to her, worried about another inmate who was fed on the floor and kept naked 24 hours per day even in the winter. Kharon Davis is kept in Solitary Confinement 23 hours per day according to information given in our meeting and was recently moved to a cell where another young man Martez Dozier was killed (foul play according to his family member reporting to me) on October 31/Nov. 1 of this year. The report is that the cell where the young man died had not been cleaned and when the NAACP facilitated a visit by the mother, the young man, Kharon was tortured by being forced to move there.
Parrish, admits to being a history buff and being a supporter of slavery. He would know that the name Nathan Bedford Forrest belongs to a man who killed blacks who were surrendered. This, people may just explain all of the police shootings where the black men are surrendering. Naming one's son after such a person, when you claim to be a history buff and when this is not a family member is very disconcerting. This is the same as JB Stoner's letter to the Mayor of New York: http://disciplesofmalcolm.tumblr.com/post/34606478410
This man has some deep rooted ties to racist hate groups including the KKK and the Sons of the Confederate Veterans, which are Terrorist organizations and/or hate watch group organizations. A person known to me, indicated, in the presence of witnesses that he had observed Steve Parrish meeting with KKK member(s) over a period of years. According to this source, Steve Parrish lived in Cottonwood, AL, a headquarters for Klan activity in the area.
CALEA VALIDATES NOTHING ABOUT RACIST ON THE FORCE AND ILLEGAL ACTIVITY WITHIN THE POLICE FORCE. I will tell them that Steve Parrish mentioned the certification of the agency, which, by the way is their lowest level of certification-the agency pays for this also. I spoke at length with the CALEA Team. The CALEA certification which he refers to does not measure the affiliation with hate groups or the actual use of the training that they verfiy that the members of the agency have. It only measures training of the officers. One of the complaints in both the Raemonica Carney Case and in the Ivan Keith Gray case was that the training provided to the black officers was not the same as was provided to white officers; hence racial discrimination in the opportunity to advance. Keith Gray even mentions paying for training out of his own pocket in order to advance.
As for CALEA, I went to their Public comment session to express my concerns that CALEA Would certify an organization which violates Federal Consent Decrees, Affirmative action plans and where many of the members of the organization are members of known racial hate groups/hate watch groups. I took this picture and sent it to them also. I told them about the two pending federal lawsuits alleging racism were clearly, with merit. The CALEA Cerification means nothing when the person is given the position over more highly qualified, non-racist persons in an illegal meeting, by an illegally seated City Manger, etc.
The public comment session for CALEA was held in the City Courtroom with an officer or someone in uniform, videotaping the event. The place was not inviting to anyone with any criminal record or problems with this police department, as it was clear that this was a hostile environment for public comment. Only three people showed up, myself and two others. We complained about racial discrimination, however, CALEA Told me that they do not consider anything except the training that they receive.
Mike west and Albert Kirkland were there and they were clear that there were concerns of the racist ties within the police department. Mike West is the City Manager and when it was time to renew his contract, the city did not take the procedures required by the contract, a 30 day look, prior to placing the renewal on the regular agenda for voting. Hence, the City Manager is seated illegally. He hails from Columbia, South Carolina.
There were 16 candidates for the Chief of Police Position, and the City Manager only provided my Commissioner, Amos Newsome with the resumes of 2 candidates on the afternoon prior to April 21st vote date according to my commissioner. There was no transparency. Steve Parrish and an African American were allegedly the two finalists, yet written requests from my Commissioner to disclose whether the City had complied with the pending Federal Consent Decree to integrate, which has been pending since 1976, yet ignored, went unanswered to this day. Mr. Amos Newsome, an 82 year Ret. Lt. Col. requested to see the resumes of the candidates for the position, yet was denied when he wrote to the City Manager and the Personnel Director. This city was ordered in the Federal Consent Decree to comply with the Affirmative Action plan which requires that they choose the best candidate for the job, not use insiders. When a candidate is the subject in multiple federal lawsuits which have cost the City approximately a quarter million dollars to defend, he is not the best candidate. There were 15 other candidates, including Ivan Keith Gray, and they were all looked over and their credentials hidden from my commissioner. The full City Commission except my commissioner, voted in favor of Steve Parrish for the next Chief of Police although they did not see the other resumes.
Steve Parrish is a subject in both the Raemonica Carney case and the Ivan Keith Gray Case in which affidavits show that he fabricated the facts of the police reports which were used to fire them. Keith Gray was highly qualified with preferred credentials for Police Chief and it appears that Steve Parrish working with Michael Woodside fabricated police report. Raemonica Carney had been told to go home on a traffic stop where a woman was driving under the influence and when Clark Rice (holding the confederate flag also), arrived he allowed the woman continue to drive although Raemonica identified her as impaired and unable to drive before she was dismissed from the scene. A few minutes later, she ran into a man pinning him to the wall, killing him. Raemonica would not change her story to match that of the other officers and she was targeted and fired. Clark Rice and others were retained and promoted who were responsible for the death of Mr. Downing. Raemonica reports receiving death threats. That night while we were at CALEA, Raemonica's repored that her mother's car was shot into. She said that when the Dothan PD arrived, they refused to collect the ballistic evidence and that had to Call CALEA to force the Dothan PD to collect the evidence. So much for a CALEA Certification. It was explained to me by CALEA That they only looked at the training that the officers had taken, not their behavior, racial makeup, treatment of fellow officers, memers of KKK or other hate groups. So why would Steve Parrish mention CALEA? That is about as relevant as the man who thinks that IQ allows racial hate crimes to be perpetrated without punishment.
Now, with the city having already spent over $200,000, defending the Keith Gray case alone, this man, whose son is named after the first grand dragon of the KKK, having his name mentioned 38 times, not in a good light, became our new chief of police on April 21st, in an illegal meeting which did not comply with the open meetings law, by a City Manager who is illegally seated in a Commission meeting led by the Mayor who the EEOC officer has admitted pays him kickback and in other ways, and the EEOC officer does not find any racism complaints against the city valid, nor does he report the kickback payments to the State Ethics Commission.
Need I say more about integrity, transparency or compliance with the law. This is just a short narrative of what has taken place in Dothan, AL. Apparently they consider this area, THE LAST CONFEDERATE STRONGHOLD. Parrish claims to be a history buff and a patriot. He cannot be allegiant to two flags, he is holding the Confederate flag and apparently thinks that he should be paid by the public to call him a peace officer. Well, anyone who names his son after he First Grand Dragon of the KKK and who has had a hanging of a young black man during the time on the force, claiming to have "gotten out" in 2006 when Young Zachery Smith, a black young man was hanged in the park is very disconcerting. All of these facts were still of no consequence to the Dothan City Commission, who after being warned appointed this man as our next police chief. The Mayor of Dothan claims to be an orphan who is Named Mike Schmitz. We have a local German Prision of war Camp in the area. I was not aware until recently that at the end of the war, many NAZIS simply walked out and into American Society. This apparently has created the Neo-Nazis and they are coupled with the KKKs in this area and apparently have infiltrated all walks of life in the lower Alabama area and offices throughout Alabama.
Dothan Police department routinely hires police officers who have engaged in criminal behavior elsewhere. There are two cases pending in Federal Court now which involve police officers fired in other jurisdictions, hired in Dothan and causing very serious problems, even shooting of an unarmed black man, Chris Thomas in 2012; Darren Moody-fired in Pensacola, hired here: http://www.dothanfirst.com/news/popular/darren-moody-dothan-police-pensacola-christopher-j.
Steve Parrish is very favorable to Michael Woodside, another very controversial hiring: http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/local/pbso-settles-beating-suit-for-122000/nmpQg/
Woodside had a history of excessive force and was fired after 4 incidents in Palm Beach County Sheriff Dept. the last was where he arresred a woman, slammed her on the ground, then handcuffed her placing her under arrest in the backseat of his car, then repeatedly punching her in the face. This case was settled for $122,000 this past June. Michael Woodside posted the half charred picture of President Obama on his facebook , but according to the punishment meted out by Steve Parrish against Raemonica Carney they have a strict social media policy, however, nothing was done to Michael Woodside. Michael Woodside was named to the Community Impact Team shortly after Parrish became Chief of Police: http://www.dothaneagle.com/news/local/dothan-cops-launch-new-community-relations-effort/article_30f9bcaa-16f8-11e5-9755-e7fe5481300c.html
As a part of the Community Impact Team, they policed in the housing projects including Johnson Homes. Now, we have a death in the Houston County Jail on October 31st of Martez Dozier, a 25 year black man whose family informed me was a result of foul play. The stories include someone having money put on their books to start a fight, which resulted in Martez being moved out of the cell and placed in solitary confinement where he died suspiciously. This apparently was claimed that Martez was in or around Johnson Homes when he punched a police officer in the face with a closed fist. Witnesses do not agree with this account by the police according to my information. The incident involved an elbow, not fist. By hitting with a closed this is considered a felony. landing one in the county jail. Now, he is dead and apparently a murder in jail, according to family. This may well have involved Michael Woodside who is reported to have been fired by Sgt. Egelston when he cracked his windshield on his squad car with his service revolver???? The information received is that Steve Parrish recommended him and he wound up hired at Houston County. This travesty of occurrences outlines just the tip of the iceberg of some of my information and observations. Who would want this team policing them?
Woodside was put on a team by Steve Parrish to patrol in the Housing Projects in June 2015. The same month, a settlement of $122,000 was being paid in Palm Beach County for him punching a woman in the face repeatedly. He was also one of the responding officers along with Steve Parrish, in an incident where Keith Gray is alleged to have gone to a motorcycle club to ask that his club could ride peaceably which is a tradition. Some time after Gray left the club, a fight broke out and Michael Woodside and Steve Parrish supposedly responded. The police report which is disputed in court documents as to its accuracy, by an affidavit provided by the alleged person reporting this incident to the responding officers, indicates manufactured evidence.
At least Parrish indicates that these documents appear authentic for the article. It is a shame that he would not clearly remember such documents and incidents and taken corrective action. Claiming that only one person was involved in this is shameful. I personally know several from the past few years as well as multiple re-arrests on already served warrants.
A friend's son called me shortly after leaving my presence and told me that he had just had drugs placed in his vehicle. I have asked him to come forward, however he is afraid of retaliation. He informed me that he had pleaded guilty to a paraphenalia charge in order to avoid a felony charge, saying that no one is going to do anything to the police for doing this and if he comes forward it will just get worse.
If you really want to know what the evidence shows on the Dothan Police Department's racist behavior; Everyone should read this opinion. This opinion mentions Steve Parrish's name 38 times according to my count. It describes the hostile work environment and racism that gives 28 years of Keith Gray's horrific treatment while he sued to advance from the outset at Dothan PD. The City is under a Federal Consent Decree in Glennie Wiggins v. R.L. Hollis for 39 years. The City chooses to ignore the federal Decree. When a black commissioner, Amos Newsome asked that they comply with the Affirmative Action plan, he was ridiculed, called a racist and touted to resign. This resulted in my 82 year old commissioner hitting a local news reporter in the face: https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=amos+newsome+hits+reporter&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-002
With multiple lawsuits pending, the city having paid over $200,000 defending one of the racial discrimination lawsuits, with the credentials hidden of 14 of the other candidates, in a meeting which was illegal and non-compliant with the State of Alabama's Open Meeting Laws (now under investigation by the State Attorney's Office), by a City manager who is illegally seated, and a Mayor who is paying the EEOC officer Kickback; a man whose son is named after the first Grand Dragon of the KKK, who recruited members of the police force to join the Sons of the Confederate Veterans chapter at work, which he started, was chosen as our police chief on April 21st. Need I say more. Add insult to injury, this position became available when the former Chief of Police Greg Benton suddenly decided to retire a week after admitting under oath, in depositions in the Keith Gray Case to having an adulterous affair with a woman who worked at Southern Linc Wireless, another cooperator who provided evidence against Keith Gray which was later "LOST" when subpoenaed.
If I never touched on the planting of evidence and criminal behavior by other cops, Steve Parrish should not be on the Police force for many other reasons. This whole place operates as if they are still in slavery times and at no time have our Senator, Jeff Sessions or Representative Martha Roby,addressed the terroristic arrangements against blacks in their districts or included us in opportunities for equality although Dothan's population is approximately 30% black.
Your comment is full of holes and unsubstantiated accusations. It repeats it self several times, in my opinion to "bulk up" your comment to make it appear more realistic. Your repetition of connections to "racist" groups is unsubstantiated. The repetitions by you of reference the name of someone's child is ridiculous. It has absolutely nothing to do with an investigation and even if it is true that someone is named after a historical figure it is not an indication of racism. There are numerous references to other "pending" investigations….investigations. Not verified, prosecuted trials resulting in convictions. Where are the references to convictions? There must be some. I refuse to do your research for you when it is apparent that you are completely biased. I could go on further to attempt to discredit your comment but I prefer to rebut the article itself.
Hope you place the link here to the files so that we can see them as well. And thank you for stepping forward as well.
This video is for the people attempting to use Stephen Gould and his book The Mismeasure of Men to refute me. You'll notice he confirms my stated numbers within the first minute of this interview….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wcSSLo9TIs
James, Question: of all the things you could have said, and you admit what you said has no direct correlation to this story, why would you pick that one thing to point out? Even you admit there is a reason for the gap. But claiming over and over that Blacks overall score low on race slanted IQ tests, you are trying to prove some point you claim is not racist?
Connect the dots for those of us not up on your hobbies. What does your statement have to do with this case? Why have you spent all day defending it as if it were some pertinent fact of this particular care?
My point was to prove i am right to the people saying i was wrong in my original comment. Just because someone doesn't like something doesn't make it an error or lie. Some might not have known there is such a large intellectual difference between blacks and whites. This discussion could have been educational for them. It explains why many blacks cannot answer simple logic questions such as this……..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOFJpsDmKvU
Ahh well NOW you are getting to your point. You are excusing the Klan because you have found some non sequitur factoid and "blacks deserve this because they are stupider than whites". In "simply pointingout" this "fact" you attempt to make a racist apology.
"They" are ALL stupid. Every 'average' single black person is 'stupider' than the 'average' white. Ergo, according to you, THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING.
But like the others say, your point is off a bit. There is not an INTELLECTUAL difference there is an EDUCATIONAL Difference.
You say "Nature"
We say "Nurture"
Let run with your illogical 'fact checking' for a moment. Do you have anyone in your family mentally disabled? When they mess up, do you beat them and lock them in a cage, saying "its not my fault you have a low IQ".
You say over and over how misunderstood you are. And we keep telling you that your 'fact' has ZERO bearing on what these white pigs did to the "stupid" blacks. How can you support a community where the 'blissfully stupid' are beaten, murdered, and given criminal records?
The Denial runs deep in this one.You find a video of a man who has been beaten down by a system that discourages educational opportunities. Whoopty Woo. Let me go find about 30 Jimmie Kimmel videos showing how STUPID whites are.
Give it up "James". You don't even have the guts to use your full name.
Wait….you're a cop, aren't you?
Does it matter if the cause is nature or nurture? The gap still exist no matter the cause. I don't believe i ever said it was nature. I don't know where you came up with that. Most psychometricians say it is from .40 to .80 genetics.I really don't know and don't care why the gap exist.My point is that it does exist in IQ and academic scores.
show me where i admitted this has nothing to do with the story? I clearly said my comment was to verify a line in the first paragraph of the story as being true.
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I found some differences between the Chief of Police's written statement and the one he gave "live" at a press conference.
Here is a link to what they printed and released:
Here is the transcription of his statement:
(forgive the rush job, its a bit rough.)
In todays's social media driven society, many individuals take what they read on the internet as factual. While I'm not in the habit of responding to misinformation published by bloggers, accusations made concerning the credibility of the men and women of this agency will not go unanswered. An attempt has been made
An attempt has been made to not only discredit me, but the Dothan Police Department; the 20th Judicial Circuit District Attorney's Office; and past and present employees of this agency by accusing the members of this agency of criminal activity and others for covering up such activity. While the photo-copies mentioned in the blog that I'm referring to appear to be factual, uh, uh, appear to be authentic for that time period, Mr Carroll seems to have arranged and redacted those copies in order to meet his agenda.
The specific incidentthat he illustrates involved a former officer and that was addressed back in the late 1990sit was addressed within the parameters of the law and the police department policies of that time. The officer involved in that incident has not worked at this agency since that time. It's also to, it's also and very important to understand that the information within the photo-copies never says anything about any drugs being planted on anyone. But talk about the mishandling of evidence by that officer. To my kowledge there has never been a single complaint filed against that officer. During his entire career for allegations of plating drugs or any other evidence planted on anyone Theres simply too many outright lies and fabrications inthis blog to address, but it would seem that his opinion and thats all it is, is his opinion has been taken by many as fact.
I've received calls from the NY Times, Ive received calls from CNN and its a sad day when people read something online and they take it for fact, without any attempt to confirm. And it really burns my ass to have the men and women of this agency that we serve subjected to this type of crap from an individual like this, we are a loyal servants to this city, we are a loyal servants to the visitors of this city, we strive to be not only transparent but we strive for excellence, we are one of 5% of angencies in this entire country of 18. 000 agencies that are CALEA acredited, that's astandard of excellence and it burns me up when people like this get on the internet and they run their mouth about the things that we're doin' wrong and have absolutely nothing to base it on, so, I wanna ask Mr. Carroll to put your money where your mouth is and give me some names, bring some people forward. I want to hear it from him. Ive talked to the district attorney today and I asked Mr Valeska, "How many times in the history of your prosecuting any cases have you ever had any defendant accuse the police of planting drugs on them. He said None that I can remember".
We trandfer cases to the United State Prosecutors where are the complaints there? We prosecuted hundreds of cases there where are the complaints there? I put 500 people in jail for drugs in my career I never had a complaint againts me so Mr Carroll, put your money where your mouth is. I'll be glad to take any of yer questions, but before I do I'm gonna say this. I welcome any federal agancy The United States Attorney's off ice, The Department of Justice, the President himself can come down here and look at everything we've got. We are an open book, we are transparent, that is our platform and its what we do and its what we gonna do.
Question 1: Chief, you mentioned CNN and other news agencies when they called you and asked you did they just, had they already taken it for granted that these allegations were true and substantial?
Chief Parrish: John, the, the nature of the questions were "How do you respond to the allegations of drugs being planted onuh uh minority defendants over a period of a long time" I said, "Where does it say that in any of these documents. It doesn't. Its the specualtion oif a loon, okay, and what he says – what he thinks happened. If, if, you remember as little as 3 or 4 weeks ago, this guy posted… he stirred the entire Southeast up with being able to solve the Hawlett Beasely murder because uh, some police officer did it. But where did that come from?" okay where did it go? It didn't go anywhere, because the Ozark Police Department did their job and did the things that they were supposed to do by the book and by the letter. Now this guy, and and if you remember, the young lady he was talking to Ms Beasely, I believe her name was? She came forward afterwards and said she was manipulated by him. to make the story fit the way he wanted. That's what it's about and I hate to even call this conference. to talk about this 'cause now people are gonna go in there and they're gonna read that, they're gonna read his website. and they're gonna give him credibility. Because it does give him a little bit of credibility because I'm standin up here, as the Chief of Police of this organization defending not only my self, but the men and women of that agency. And that's what really bothers me Is that Im havin' to do this. But the slant is there, you know why uh, what do you have to say about it? Well I asked him have you read the material? Have you looked at it? Most of them haven't. I got a call last night from a reporter and I was on the phone and my wife answered the phone , "If he don't call me back by tomorrow morning, it's gonna be bad news for him, well, you know… Bring it On. You know, I'm a big boy but don't talk about this agency, ok.
Question 2: Youre pissed aren't you?
Chief Parrish: I am Im upset, I'm upset about it….Cmon why don'tcha ask me a question?
Question 3: Accompananing, Accompanying the article uh, which I understand is not accessible now, I don't know about that but, accompanaying the article's a photograph. The photograph had been around for a long, long time and I know you've explained this probably more than needs to be, but one more time.
Chief Parrish: Sure.
Qquestioner3: How did this photograph come about?
Chief Parrish: The the the photograph in the context of this story is to an excellent exaple of what Jon Carroll tries to do. okay? He takes a phtograph from 1999, 2000, uh of of , of, a group … and let me do a little background, I'm a history enthusiast, ok? Geneaology is what I've studied my lineage, my ancetors fought for the south during the civil war. Im proud of that. If That makes me a deon, I'm sorry. ok. and, uh, and and, in 1999-2000 I though what a novel idea to form a Sons of Confederate Veterans chapter, in Henry County al. Henry County is one of the oldest counties in the state of Alabama. Not many people know that. So, I needed ten people to form a charter. ok so I asked other people in tyhe department who knew a little bit about the ancestry to join and help me for the charter. This is a 501c, ok? I don't, I don't know id the SPLC considered, I don't think they considered it a hate group. You know, I've heard it's on the watch list, the city of dothan forbids anyone to be any member that advocates the overthrow of the United States Gov't. Well Im red white and blue to the core but I have rights as well. ok. That is a non profit organization you can go down to the courthouse and buy you a tribute tag right now. That is, like I said. He takes this, he paints a pictures of this secret society within the police departemnt that plants drugs on people? That pisses me off.
Any more questions?…. Thank you for your time.
What? I have no idea what you're saying. I think you are claiming
What? "Anonymous", I have no clue what you are saying. Is your evidence that the planting of drugs and guns on innocent people did not happen because this guy said some stuff at a press conference that dismisses the allegations? I think I'm just really confused. That sounds like the logic of a child. Try again.
I found some differences between the Chief of Police's written statement and the one he gave "live" at a press conference.
Here is a link to what they printed and released:
here is the video of the "live" press conference"
I don't know why you think I am supporting the Chief. I am pointing out differences in wording between the two.
These officers broke the law.
Those talking about IQ, or anything at all, in order to validate the actions of these officers, are willfully ignoring and/or condoning their illegal actions.
Laws have been broken and innocent people have been wronged. To approve of this is to have complete, cynical disregard for due process and justice.
If you believe in the law, acknowledge that it has been broken, and leave things at that.
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This happened in Alabama? Shocking. Was Mississippi closed at the time!
Thank you to the writer for this article. It shows why Black people have a fear and distrust of the police. It also shows how racially prejudiced people will ignore ANY evidence that proves bias on their part in order to latch on something that will continue to cast their target in a negative light. The fact that the bulk of the comments on those post were in response to a commentator and NOT to the post itself is telling. For so many reasons.
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I wonder how many people on here have taken a real IQ test. The ones saying racial bias must not have.Here's a couple sample questions from a wonderlic test….Tony gets married next month. One year ago from the date he will get married, Tony was away in Spain for New Year's Eve. What month is it?………..A boy is 17 years old and his sister is twice as old.
When the boy is 23 years old, what will be the age of his sister? How can either of those questions be racially bias? Another test that has absolutely no racial bias is the Ravens progressive matrices. Admittedly these are two of the simply questions and they get more difficult as you progress but all are similar.
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An article about the injustice that has befallen citizens of our community who were preyed upon by members of the Houston County PD and Houston county DA has been thrawted by James to a discussion about IQ scores.
The real issue here as the article discussed crimes that have been committed against the citizens of Houston County. For cops to go as far as to plant weapons and drugs on black men and for these men to be convicted and sent to prison due to this is horrendous. If this happened in Dothan I guarantee it has occurred in other municipalities as well. As the old saying goes "what is done in the dark, comes to the light"… It is high time for The Justice Department to open a full investigation of the Dothan Police Department and Mr. Valeska ASAP.. These are what is referred to as thugs with badges. Targeting a specific demographic group and strapping them with felony drug & weapon charges, and they need to be put into the prisons that they so willfully sent innocent people to.
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This is absolutely appalling. James, you have convinced yourself that an "I.Q. Test" has relegated blacks to inferiority, and your posture is that of arrogance, supported by your satisfaction with heuristic research. Since your "I.Q." is indicative of the superior race, you should have the ability to synthesize the insurrmountable negative variables that impact the research.
-That is all.
Why would i need to synthesize anymore negative variables? It appears that plenty exist without the need for me to produce more…LMAO Their IQ helps explain why so many are criminals,can't get jobs, live in public housing and receives many other types of handouts, etc. Those things makes them inferior as productive members of society.
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WOW! I'm blown away by some of the comments. I can't wrap my head around this. One day the racist people are going to meet GOD and he will remind them of the hate that they had for their fellow man. What will you tell him? How will you justify your actions?
Yet another reason to hate Alabama. Nick Saban and racist, drug planting cops in one state?!! Thats horse shit. Geaux Tigers
Just fyi there is a employee of the da's office that has a tape of Doug and his henchman J Henry discussing how to "get carroll". they want it shared with someone at the federal level outside of the state.
you have my email.
Put it up on Soundcloud.
I want to emphasize to the readers that the author is a known traitor to his race and has dated women in Eufaula Alabama and Abbeville that are BLACK WOMEN! He cannot hide the fact that he is a negro dater. Thats why he is not welcome at some places in Eufaula for philandering with negro girls. TRUTH HURTS CARROLL.
Are you serious with this comment? What has that got to do with anything?
… and "Jeff C" has a thing for little boys.
What you WANT to emphasize and what you HAVE emphasized are two different things. What you've make clear to all of the readers here is that you're a racist piece of scum who is wildly out of touch with the concept of decency.
Jeff i'm sure he's working his way up the ladder to sheep and goats. Some men must crawl before they can walk. lol
This comment right here James. This is the one that shows your true face. Let's analyze your words a bit, shall we? In your arrogant attempt to be witty you have revealed a few things about your true agenda. You have not only sympathized with the only person on this page with less apparent credibility than you… (Jeff C), but given us a peek at your proclivity toward racist and misogynistic thought patterns as well. In your mind apparently, bestiality is a "step up the ladder" from intimate relations with a young woman of African descent? You sir, are attempting to misdirect this conversation with your own fear and insecurities. I for one will not be dissuaded. Planting drugs and evidence is wrong. Period. Oh and James, for someone who goes on and on about IQ, you don't sound that smart to me.
Sheep and goats are a step up the ladder. They can never tell and can't produce mongrel offspring. lol
Seems as if you speak from experience James.
I heard screaming.
Bull whips cracking
How Long How Long?
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Much respect to Jon Carroll and the Henry County Report.
Dishonourable, dishonest law enforcement officials confirm that "…liberty and justice for all" is just a cynical sound bite.
We Americans must stop deifying the police. They deserve to be held accountable for both mistakes and misconduct. Perhaps it is time to reconsider the broad umbrella of qualified immunity for LEOs and prosecutors.
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Why are people talking about IQ and the bible in the comment section? It's terrible trolling/forum sliding by the people who started it.
Anyway, absolutely great article. Let's see if the national media will take note of this story.
Blow up the department…. Problem solved
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Excellent reporting. This is on its way to becoming a national story.
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This is top of the line journalism. Keep up the good work. I have no doubt this will be a national conversation. Keep up the good work and don't let any of these racist jerkoffs drag you through the mud due to their own insecurities and unwillingness to join modern society.
It is trending nationally in one respect: I came across this article on Google NOW on my smartphone, and I live in New England.
For what it's worth — I grew up in Florida and lived in the South for two-thirds of my life. I left the South for a multitude of reasons, one of which is the rampant racism.
I'm white, I can't think of how many times an acquaintance shared their racist views with me. While I had no problem excoriating these people for their views, while attempting to sway their point-of-view, it never fundamentally changed their position on race.
Racism is a form of cancer.
Top of the line journalism? He posts documents showing a report of a cop that didn't turn over drug evidence then claims that is evidence of 15 cops planting drugs on thousands over decades. He posts a lie detector report thing that no one can make sense out of without the proper training and then says it is proof of failure of the test. Where is this top of the line journalism?
This is a terrific piece of investigative journalism. It is frustrating that there is no way to save a clean copy of this report. Writers and reporters could more effectively follow and publicize this great work with the ability to work with, e.g., a clean PDF. Again, congratulations on this reporting.
1. Thank you Mr. Carrol for this excellent piece. I share the views of others who hope Justice will be served both on the criminal officials and the civilians who were sent to jail due to fabricated evidence.
2. The comments about intelligence above are not only off-topic but are outdated and incorrect. They are also from a neo-nazi website. Both "James" and "Cy" are promulgating "soft" hate speech and actually promoting a neo-nazi website on this page. Their comments should be flagged and the links removed.
Come on man. That's ridiculous. Let the man defend himself in court if need be. If someone accused you of being a child molester, how would you like it if people plastered access to your Facebook page into a blog site that's blatantly slanted against you? Public opinion can ruin someone's life even if they are found completely innocent. You should be ashamed of yourself.
This is really sad I'm only 19 years of age it hurts me too see that Martin Luther King did all he did for justice for us and yet and still there is still no justice for us African Americans. Its sad that you Americans fix too say blacks and whites shouldn't be together of
I truly hope that justice is finally served. For years these horrible creatures have gotten away with the degradation of basic human rights, taking freedom and justice from young men that they are sworn to serve and protect. These are mean-spirited, cruel beings that have used their power to harm others in every way they can. They are the worst kind of bullies and if they don't receive their judgment on this Earth, they will receive it as they burn in the depths of Hell. I'm disgusted, yet unfortunately not at all surprised by these revelations/allegations.
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I have confidential files from the district attorney's office that I am willing to share that I feel pretty sure will put Valeska in prison if I can be safeguarded and you will get them in the right hands I will have my attorney give them to you guys. Please have this man prosecuted.
I was there until '07. This is crap fueled by justifiably fired employees and allowed to live again by someone that probably has an advanced degree in yellow journalism.
Lest see "Della" you were a cop who worked at Dothan. You disagree and think you know more than Judge Thompson who went to Yale and Carroll who went to Harvard. Oh and I guess somehow the documents that filled them both are what frigging forged. keep drinkin the kool aid bitch as you all bout to be behind bars.
Well Della, (Willy), I don't recall seeing you at a single hearing, deposition, or official proceeding, so your "opinion" of "justifiably fired employees" lacks credibility. Shall we share your past issues on this forum? "Allowed to live again?" Or shall we now call you GOD. YOU HAVE NO CLUE what happened so as usual you talk in an attempt to impress others! The federal court case number was even posted above by someone and you still can't research it in order to speak facts.
Thank you! Finally someone else who can read. It's beyond ridiculous how pathetic this is. Meanwhile The New Republic and The Young Turks ran the story! I live in California and I could see how disgustingly fallacious this story is from here.
@annony mouse , suggest you go to PACER and look at this federal lawsuit pending with, IVAN "KEITH" GRAY vs CITY OF DOTHAN, CIVIL ACTION NO: 1:14-cv-00592. The photograph and names are entered as evidence and in a ruling of fact by a federal judge. They as well mention the memberships of the men and the DAMN POLICE CHIEF STEVE PARISH IN THIS GROUP!
Thanks for the information but I'm not feeling to secure about registering for " Pacer" much less paying for it. The group these guys are a part of is the Son's of The Confederacy. They are NOT listed as a hate group on the Southern Poverty Law Center Web site. I'm not saying that they are not a racist group, I'm just saying they are listed on the Hate Map.
I talked to Steve Parrish, he said that this was him and that he was a member of some organization that he got out of in in 2006, but, there is evidence that this was not true of the Confederate Veterans. It seems that he may have gotten out of the KKK. His son is named after the first grand dragon of the KKK, born since he was on the force. The others are clearly aligned with this Sons of Confederate Veterans group which was full force under John White and persisted. The use of the Sons of the Confederate Veterans, with Steve Parrish calling himself Commander of the Henry Light Infantry Camp and recruiting members at work, but not allowing blacks to join. Go figure, the evidence is clear. This group is existing within the Dothan PD and has been for a very long time. Forming a racist allegiance and planting drugs on black young men is a crime.
IQ is not the issue. Apparently this is totally off subject. The IQ is not the problem. This is even more of an argument that there should not have any convictions if they really did not know what they were doing. Get back on subject. The real truth is that when people cannot make intelligent responses, they form off-topic responses to draw others into discussions that really do not matter. This is called 'distraction' from the real subject.
Because the subject became a series of racial slurs, off topic, it diminishes the focus on the real problem and the discussion itself becomes very unintelligent. Racial slurs do not fix the young black men's lives, nor do they punish the criminal cops. GET BACK ON SUBJECT. LET THE LOW IQ MAN HAVE A FORUM SOMEWHERE WITH PEOPLE WHO GIVE A DAMN ABOUT IQ when they decide if it is right or not for cops to engage in criminal behavior against blacks. THIS IS NOT THE PLACE, NOR THE TOPIC. HECK, MAYBE THIS CHARACTER, JAMES, SHOULD LEARN TO READ, THEN COMMENT ABOUT OTHER'S STUDIES IN AN APPROPRIATE FORUM. HERE, WE ARE ADDRESSING CRIMINAL COPS AND OUTRIGHT VIOLATIONS OF THE LAWS.
Ruth i had no intentions of getting into a lengthy debate when i originally posted my comment.My purpose was to lend credence to a line in the first paragraph.The debate started when others said i was wrong and i knew i wasn't. Thus far no one has proven me wrong either. They can throw insults and discount IQ as having no significance in life all they want but the truth is blacks as a race have lower IQ. Actually i like it when people throw out insults because it proves they have no valid argument to support their stance.
Is there any evidence that these men belonged to a Neoconfederate organization? Seems that they were some dirty cops here but no real evidence that it was race related. Heck, they may be a bunch of other races locked up because of evidence planting by the same group of men.
SA you are full of it the identity of south Alabama is at risk here. I caution you to study the following advice and call out your neighbour for his sinful ways.
The race of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph now the kindred AngloSaxonCeltic Christian peoples of the United States, the British Company of Nations, and Western Europe cannot commit to other races the supreme place which God has assigned to that race alone. The exalted position of the Bible's Covenant Race carries with it worldwide moral and spiritual responsibilities, which no other race has the Godgiven ability to perform. This Divine commission demands of us the spirit of humility and love. As the Apostle Paul reminds us, "Who maketh thee to differ from another? And what hast thou that thou didst not receive?"
Let none boast of superiority for we are called of God to be His Servant Race. God speaks to His beloved people through the Prophet Isaiah. Note that the message concerns a future time when they no longer understand their past and their relation to the Old and New Covenants. Consider also at this point that the prophet's message is addressed to the whole house of redeemed Israel, and not to the Jews. The Jews rejected Christ the Redeemer and His Gospel; they have never done the witnessing that God commissioned Israel to do; they are not a company of kindred nations; in fact, they neither do the work nor bear the marks of Israel.
Here are a few statements from Isaiah to clarify the status of modern white Christian Israel nations:
"Who is blind, but my servant? Or deaf, as my messenger that I sent?" (42:19.)
"But now thus saith the Lord that created you, O Jacob, and him that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by my name; thou art mine. When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee. For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour." (43:1-3.)
"Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears …. Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour." (43:8,10-11.)
We anglo saxons are, indeed, a peculiar people. Chosen above all and segregated for service to the whole world.
wow, you don't know anything about history, genetics, or geography, do you?
You realize of course that Jesus was not "white. " Nor were any of the disciples.
It's a shame we Yankees didn't kill a lot more rebels in the Civil War — we'd have a much higher average intelligence in the country if we had.
Your "god' (Yahweh, Jehovah, Allah, same super being) does not exist. Your bible proves nothing, it full of simple minded platitudes.
But if it were true….
God's chosen race of White Christians that HAVE to be from Europe or they are not 'really' white has ruined this world, and I say that as a 6th Generation Southern White Male (Dr. John Wesley Abbott, anyone?) who could easily join the SCV here in North GA. A place where most of the members are also members of the local KKK. Any SCV member not falling in line with Old South thinking is eventually dropped, by hint or force.
People like you who use scripture to foment and excuse hate toward other humans is an abomination before your god. What a surprise you will not have when death comes, then….nothing.
I pity the ignorant. I pity you and all the ignorant white people in Alabama and the South. Contempt and pity.
Jon just dont help black people and first all that is racist anyway you look at. Second if it wasnt for Jon you wouldn't no what was going on in these counties.He has documents to backup what he says so you need to think about what you say before writing it.Since you want to open your mouth. What about this John c White I no for without a doubt he is crooked you shouldnt be a lawyer and screw people out of money and not help them.with shit after promising them you would help them. So do everyone a favor.And get off the website if you dont like what he post he didnt make you look at it you chose to
by the way, it is not for you to judge the Carrolls, that is God's place, if he is not happy with the way they live their lives, he will deal with them… my guess is, God is pleased with people who do not judge others and love their "brothers" regardless of race, statue in the community, doesn't the bible say, something similar to " love each other as I have loved you"… God created us all, the black white and purple… If God did not want us to "mix" why does he allow "products of conception, AKA babies?" WE are supposed to help those who cannot help themselves!!! RIGH?! My suggestion to you is to fall down on your knees and pray for guidance and forgiveness…… Just a thought!!!
I wondered how long it would take to take the focus off the topic at hand, and how it would be accomplished… "Country Mom" you are indeed racist (the comment "..little negroes.." says it all), the bible also teaches us to love one another…. or at least mine does!! Topic of this article is about a few men who wear badges, under the guise of serving and protecting the community, who have actually done harm, doesn't really matter if white, black or purple. My guess is if the victims were white, and the cops were black you would be in an uproar!! Why don't we take color, or race, out of this equation and discuss how men have been wrongly convicted, sentenced and their lives ruined.. crazy concept!!! HCR next article, leave the race out of the description and see how people react….
I want to clarify i am not racist i just do not think blacks should be allowed to date whites as the bible teaches it a sin
Shut up you vile cunt.
Country red neck trailer trash! Do what yiu are good at, lay o. Your back and snort them lines hillbilly!
Country Mom what Bible are you reading??
Please take me to the scripture honey…
because Genesis 1:27 tells me that God created man in his own image and likeness…
Sounds to me like you've been reading a different Bible.
"do not think blacks should be allowed to date white", you are kidding I hope, if not please leave our country immediately, you're not welcome here.
No, you are a racist and you poorly interpret the bible. Believe what you want, but your statements are the very definition of bigotry and racism.
Please advise the scriptures that forbid interracial dating. Please read Numbers 12:1, this scriptures explains how God dealt with Miriam regarding her treatment of Moses' Ethiopian wife. After you've read it please post the scriptures that support your statement. Thanks
Actually, in Numbers 12, Moses marries an Ethiopian woman, and when Miriam complains about it, God strikes her with leprosy.
Yes, madam. You are a racist. Own it.
Yeah, sure. "Not racist", whatever floats your boat. Hope you get mixed race grand kids.
Where does it say that in The Bible?
Totally agree Mrs Carroll's son is defending the little negroes because he dates black chicks. the bible teaches the races should not be mixed and those who do shall suffer damnation. I cannot support a white man who does this. I am unliking the site on facebuk!
Please read Numbers 12:1, this scripture tells the story of the punishment rendered by God to Miriam. Moses married a Cushite which is another name for an Ethiopian, his sister had the same mindset as your and therefore, God punished her. You said the bible condemns interracial dating, please provide the supporting scriptures.
I would like to use this moment to emphasize that Alabama's per pupil spending has dropped 12% in since 2008. http://www.governing.com/gov-data/education-data/state-education-spending-per-pupil-data.html
This would 'splain the above comment.
**Really? Negroes? Get out of the yard and back in the trailer. This fight is bigger than your small mind can handle.
This article gave me goosebumps. Way to go getting this scoop, guys! You have been shared by The Marshall Project AND The Southern Poverty Law Center. Congrats!
This article gave me goosebumps. Way to go getting this scoop, guys! You have been shared by The Marshall Project AND The Southern Poverty Law Center. Congrats! Great to see this kind of reporting come out of the Wiregrass!!!
… you do realize that there aren't white people in the Bible. And Facebook is definitely spelled incorrectly. Ok praying for your sons because unfortunately you've subjected them to a destructive mindset. It's funny you serve a Jewish Jesus, but despite people of color… It's laughable really. None the less, God's call to us is 1st love Him, 2nd love our neighbors as ourselves. We haven't mastered love. Bless you, ma'am.
You are a fucking moron and deserve what will be handed to you, country mom. True ignorance at its best right here!
You and anyone sharing your dna should be exterminated.
Country Mom,
WOW comes to mind regarding your comment about Jon Carroll. I as one hope you will "unlike" The Henry County Report. It is apparent your racist views have no place outside of your little "country".
Doug Valeska has sought to step on the backs of many as he professed to fight crime. Valeska is the REAL criminal here and his corrupt actions have destroyed the lives of many; a true sociopath. Jon Carroll, thank you for your fight for equal rights and justice for ALL no matter the color of their skin. True justice knows no limits. So sad that Alabama is truly corrupt from the top to the bottom with elected officials protecting each other and allowing corruption to run rampant.
But you have no problem screwing your cousins, do you "country mom?"
also, There are 11 boys pictured in the image at the top of this page, but only 10 names have been shared. I would thank you for the missing name. 🙂
Please leave these comments up so that people can see what kind of people this story shakes out of the trees.
Please don't delete them.
Yes please do leave this comment thread as is. I'm horrified at several comments, actually this is some of the most vile racism I've ever had the displeasure to read. It's important to see though, just to know how very alive racism is in the USofA.
I want the public to know the author of this article is a known "black lover" , IT IS PROVEN THAT HE HAS DATED BLACK FEMALES. This explains his hatred towards us.
.."toward us.." i am not sure the "us" you are referring, but you sound like a white sheet hood wearing, something, something,…. I do not date outside my race, but i damn sure don't want to be included in your "us"
You don't date out of your race? Possibly the most racist comment in this thread .
Speaking as a lily white American of English and German descent, there is no us when it comes to you and me. Do not make the mistake of thinking you have something in common with me or people who look like me. You might have a few buddies that think like you, but it's a much bigger world. Have this conversation with someone you don't know — face-to-face — at the gas station or the coffee shop and see where it ends up.
Whom the writer of this article dates is irrelevant to the facts and actions of these men planting evidence on black men and then arresting them. The author's dating preferences are also irrelevant to the cover up that followed. Nobody hates you because he or she dates someone of another color. They dislike you because you are ignorant and a racist. But this, again, has nothing to do with the news story.
Let it also be known that "Lamar" is the product of intense inbreeding.
There is no us, there is only you. Dating someone outside of your race does not mean that you hate your own race. Get over it. The man put forth a document which has irrefutable facts about criminal cops, racists behind the badge and just plain corrupt people. It is time the subject matter became the subject matter, not some simple minded deviation from the topic due to lack of the ability to follow the real topic. This is how we measure IQ. Take your test all you want. If you cannot engage in civilized conversation with intelligent people, this might just be the reason that you are so concerned about IQ. It does not matter to me what the IQ of these people are who were treated wrongly, it is a violation of the rights and the persons perpetrating these heinous crimes must be fired, their pensions taken and jailed. They have not served, nor protected. This is real bad!!
There is nothing in that article about anyone dating outside of their race. If Jon dated blue babes, this would still be factual evidence and a great journalistic piece that is going to cause some people to feel the same fire that they have been causing on others, illegally. Face the facts, these are criminals.
Lamar give the man a break. He's just working his way up to goats and sheep. Lots of people have to start at the bottom in life and work their way up.
This is a view of the bell curve on the subject.
National Vanguard…as in the white nationalist organization National Vanguard?
That's your citation, you complete moron?
(btw, psychometrics is your hobby? It's my job. I do it for a living. I'm a psychologist…and I'm black)
Me. what's you opinion of the American Psychological associates view of Intelligence known and unknown? Are they wrong along with all the studies for the past century?
I am a developmental neuroscientist, and professor of human growth and development. The IQ does a horrible job of measuring overall intelligence. Further, the best predictor of performance on standardized tests is not race, but parental wealth. Further still, the questions on the IQ tests at that time were often wrought with cultural bias – many required having had experiences that some kids just did not have. I am surprised that someone with psychometrics as a hobby wasn't aware of the intense criticism from educational psychologists of Murray's book, and of the heavy confounds in his conclusions. Also – I am of African descent, and would love to see how my scholastic achievements match against yours…
The links you posted are arguing the cause of the gap. Not the fact that the gap exist. I've stated several time that i am not arguing the cause just the fact the gap does exist. If blacks know the cause then they should have been able to close the gap in the past 50 yrs. The gap did close a few points for several years but latest reports are it has widened again.
According to nationalvanguard.org, the website for the racist hate group the National Alliance which is not a compelling or reliable source. Just take a look at their "about us" page:
As someone that dabbles in psychometrics, please examine this link for a different perspective on the correlation between race and IQ.
Here's the same bell curve and not printed by Vanguard. Can you provide one that is any different? You're in over you heads boys..lol…http://www.intelltheory.com/bellcurve.shtml
That page cited above reads this: "Herrnstein and Murray's second claim, the lightning rod for most commentary, extends the argument for innate cognitive stratification to a claim that racial differences in IQ are mostly determined by genetic causes small differences for Asian superiority over Caucasian, but large for Caucasians over people of African descent. This argument is as old as the study of race, and is almost surely fallacious. "
"Herrnstein and Murray's second claim, the lightning rod for most commentary, extends the argument for innate cognitive stratification to a claim that racial differences in IQ are mostly determined by genetic causes small differences for Asian superiority over Caucasian, but large for Caucasians over people of African descent. This argument is as old as the study of race, and is almost surely **fallacious**."
I have NEVER debated the question of nature or nurture.That argument is impossible for either camp to prove or disprove. Neither camp denies what i have said, that being the black-white IQ gap does exist and has been constant for the past 100 yrs. The only thing i can say that would lend support to the nature/nurture claim is that if the cause is not genetic then it has to be cultural. Genetic or environment, take your choice. The difference exist for some reason. lol
The bell curve has always been a "tool" used to promote and "defend" racism. You're ignorant and apparently a racist too. Get another hobby.
Keith is the academic scores provided by the public schools also a tool? Look up any school and you'll see the achievement difference. http://www03.alsde.edu/Accountability/Accountability.asp
ha ha ha! National Vanguard?? The Nazi-oops- I mean national, socialistic group??? Ha ha ha! You stupid, arrogant, racist! btw, If my IQ was scraping 100, I wouldn't brag about it, and I CERTAINLY would not engage in conversation with such a moronic statement. Go get help.
Ignore this man. "National Vanguard" is not a viable source for anything remotely related to science, as it is very clearly a white supremacy site. http://nationalvanguard.org/
This man is lying to you.
No he didn't. His statement addressed the cause of the gap. He never said there wasn't a gap. lol Everyone seems to want to debate the cause.I have never debated the cause of the gap. Ask him directly. If he's a scientist he will verify there is in fact a gap between black and white scores.
James is winning. Congrats James. You are a pro at diverting people into useless bickering. Part of your hobby no doubt.
Divide, mislead and bait the conversation with irresistible tidbits of falsification.
Yawl have fun with that.
Meantime back to the topic at hand. I can only hope those police officers see the wrong side of the cold grey bars for a long time.
Then they must face God. Who just might send them back as a black male.
I don't know about all the other things in this story but blacks do have on average 1 standard deviation (15 point) lower IQ than whites. Whites average 100 and blacks average 85. It's irrefutable. It requires a 100 to successfully graduate HS. Undergrad average is 115 and graduate average is 125. This is why blacks are graduating HS but perform at 8th grade levels.
This is about the lack of due process of law and violations of the American Constitution which was drawn up by whites while blacks were yet slaves. If it were about blacks and whites dating, the topic would have said so. It is unfortunate that the only defense would be a lowly racial slur for outright criminal behavior by criminals behind the badge. It is high time that intelligent persons used their intelligence if they have it. Read the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America and the State in which you live and follow them. There is no need for our race to be attacked and falsely jailed and mistreated because some lowly racists believe that they can violate the laws and go unpunished. Stop attacking the messenger. These documents are not made up and this is exactly what I have complained about the whole time. Being affiliated with racial hate groups should disqualify anyone from becoming a peace officer. These are not peace officers, they are race soldiers. Stop the madness about race and who someone chooses to date. If you are so intelligent, then you should be able read the rules written by persons of you race and to follow them, and so should anyone seeking to enforce them. This is not about black and white unless you are so deranged that you believe that criminal behavior is needed to overcome the blacks. There is nothing relevant about who dates who. It is really sick that some people would support the attacking, jailing and murdering of black men when they have no legal right to do so. God created all of us and none should mistreat the other. If you think that God made a mistake, maybe you should take a long look in the mirror and worship a God who does not make mistakes.
I say to you read Psalms 34 and 37 and understand the fate of the wicked. This is clearly criminal activity which I have harped on about choosing Parrish as Chief of Police in an illegal meeting and a non-compliant process. Our police officers should be vetted. Thanks to the officers who spoke up about this nightmare. Now, it will bankrupt this corrupt city because thousands of young black men's lives have been ruined and this trickles down to their families, children, etc. Beyond that, there are many poor whites who have had drugs planted on them and their lives ruined also. It is what Dr. Martin Luther King referred to when he said that injustice anywhere leads to injustice everywhere. When you allow this type of behavior to exist, it can be used against anyone. These men are criminals and race soldiers and must be jailed, now. to play fair. The use of underhanded tactics to undermine and justify racial hate only leads to damnation. For anyone who thinks that they are justified to get paid by public with state local and federal funds to violate the rights of others, there is a special place in jail and in hell for them. This has absolutely noting to do with who dates who. Maybe you should read this again with all of you IQ, so you can see if you can understand the words and respond to the topic at hand.
We have criminal, race soldiers as police and good officers who want to do an honest job. So what is wrong with telling on the criminals? This is the problem with racism, people seem to claim intelligence when they have no evidence of such things in their behavior. This was not real smart but I can say that it is highly illegal. So much for the IQ argument. God will have the last word. Watch it rain hell on these guys!!!!
Ruth Page-Nelson, if your comment was directed at me then i must point out that IQ was mentioned in the first paragraph and it was the only topic i commented on simply because i am knowledgeable in that area since my hobby is psychometrics.
HenryCountyReport.com would perhaps find it helpful to implement a comment flagging and anti-comment abuse system.
there doesn't seem to be a place to click to report the racist comments above nor the links to a terrorist organization website posted by the same user below.
Albert i challenger you to refute it with data rather than an opinion. lol
Hey albert einstein: Of course you need a 'report' button, whenever adults have a conversation, there should be someone you can run and tattle to when someone says something you don't like. How do you get through daily life, when your first instinct is to 'report' and censor? There are a lot of people out there just like you, and I tend to think that your kind are the problem, rather than the evil 'racists' who lurk behind every tree in your diseased imagination.
James, you're an ignorant racist. I suggest finding a better hobby.
Since when is the truth racist Julio. I have offered anyone the opportunity to refute the data.
First, the bell curve and IQ testing has been found to be racially motivated throughout history.. This statement is true and is a fact. Believe what you will.
Secondly, you beg for anyone to refute the "data." You have supplied no data but merely a few statistics of an "unknown" source. "Data" would be information (numbers) recorded by this unknown source in the whatever "study" you are making reference to. Come clean with your sources. You can't just offer a bunch of statistics with no reference and call them facts.
Refute what data? You made racist statements and tried to claim some of kind of authority based on your hobby of phychometrics. Which is to say you have no degree in the field and I'm going bet you do not even have a high school diploma.
Sounds like your hobby is eugenics, any other discredited pseudo sciences you'd like to offer as evidence to support your racism?. I would respect you more if you just said " I dont like blacks" at least that is somewhat honest. imbecile
James, you cannot simply look at numbers and conclude that since there's a difference, that difference is innate. It's quite clear, and this article backs it up, that black folks are still fighting against institutionalized racism in america. When you live within a system that's actively thwarting you, is it any wonder you don't do as well as "average" people? These tests are a symptom and your bias leads you to an ugly conclusion.
I have a serious question: Which came first, your disdain for black people or the knowledge that a few studies "proved" racial inferiority?
Where did i say the difference was innate? I clearly said i would not debate the cause of the difference as being nature or nurture. Those are synonyms for genetic or environmental. I don't know the cause and that has always been the subject of debate throughout the years. I've also never mentioned racial inferiority. I said blacks have always scored lower on IQ test for the past century. What part of that did you misinterpret?
Out of all the well documented, irrefutable evidence you chose to hang onto a 1 percent standard deviation? This is a sad attempt to divert from the mountain of facts that prove corruption, criminal activity, and coverups. You "don't know" about any of the evidence, but your clinging to that little factoid about IQ tests? Really? That is so discouraging for people who seek truth and decency, and I hope it doesn't reflect a general incapacity to reason on the part of Caucasian Alabamans.
James, I am doing my dissertation on the African American education perception and you are so wrong it is scary. Ethnicity has nothing to do with an individual's intelligence. Please provide the peer reviewed article in which you found this information.
Mean SAT Scores by Race/Ethnicity, 2015
Group Critical Reading Mathematics Writing
American Indian 481 482 460
Asian-American 525 598 531
Black 431 428 418
Mexican-American 448 457 438
Puerto Rican 456 449 442
Other Hispanic 449 457 439
White 529 534 513
You dissertation should be a wonderful piece of work if you can explain these.
James, as someone who actually administers IQ test instead of having a "hobby" let me state clearly that you are a moron and I doubt that you have a 100 IQ if you believe the racist dribble that blacks have a 15 point IQ difference. On average they perform about 3 points lower but when corrected for socioeconomic status the difference disappears. Let me help you further with your hobby, when a minority is tested by a white person they tend to do more poorly, likely because of the pressure from system racism and morons like you. Again this disappears when tested by someone of their own race. So if a racist piece of garbage wants to skew data all they have to do is place a pompous, racist, white guy in front of a room full of disenfranchised black youths and make them feel uncomfortable and bam! You too can have "evidence" of inferiority. Please James, get another hobby or at least stop getting your "facts" from neo-nazi publications.
Chris this is the data you requested…..https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large you can find many sites on the internet to correlate those scores to IQ
Lol. I get what you were trying to do there, but with statements like "when corrected for socio-economic status" and using "system(ic) racism" as an explanation (or more accurately assumption) for asserted shortcomings, it sounds more like rationale and social promotion than a rebuttal.
:December 2, 2015 at 8:13 pm
"James, as someone who actually administers IQ test [sic] instead of having a 'hobby' let me state clearly that you are a moron and I doubt that you have a 100 IQ if you believe the racist dribble that blacks have a 15 point IQ difference…."
Chris, you're a complete and utter liar. It's that simple. If you had any knowledge of mental testing, you would know that the official group IQ for American blacks is 85 (and 70 for African blacks), the white group IQ is 100, the Hispanic IQ in America is 89, the Japanese IQ is 107, and that Chinese and South Koreans both have group IQs of 105.
I highly doubt that you are involved in mental testing. Unlike you, real psychometricians do not lie about racial differences in IQ (much less compulsively, like you do), they don't race-bait like you, and they certainly don't sound as dumb as you do.
James, you should change your hobby to "common sense"! By doing so, you can address the "real issue" of that article.
It's has nothing to do with the IQ but everything to do with EVIL against the blacks but it let you know that god is not sleep and is tried of his people's been miss treated.
Very well said Ms Nelson.
Psychometry has long been debunked as false science and a cover for virulently racist supremacists.
That's like using growth statistics from third world countries to prove that democracy makes you taller. Of course, when tested, black Americans lag behind. That's the effect of discrimination. It's never really gone away, we've just tried to mitigate it from time to time.
Yeah you are ignorant, no way is that correct. The knowledge that you supposedly have over us came from us. Ignorant trash!
Wow…an article about sheer bigotry followed by sheer bigotry. Even if what you say is true, how does that excuse this behavior? If it doesn't, then why bring it up? Oh yeah – to share your bigotry.
Bullshit. That is total racist bullshit.
I do not give a crap what average IQs are for different races. This is an ugly, ugly response to an article like this.
Anytime you want a battle of IQ's let me know.
james: Is THAT what you take away from the article? Not the systemic abuse of position and power to jail otherwise innocent people, but IQ points? It seems that you might be quite a few points shy of 100.
Mg , i have no doubt that some corruption exist in any organization. I do question the extent depicted in the information posted in this story. I can assure you that i fall on the right tail of the curve near the 99.4826 mark. lol
You're so dumb you actually convinced yourself you were intelligent. How cute is that? You have an entire article with facts, witness accounts, official documents/records, an entire investigation done, and you say you question how the info is presented? You're an imbecile, and a bigot, and you're too dumb to think higher than the generation of racist programming you've received which is sad.
John do you have a comprehension problems? I never said i questioned how the information was presented. I said i questioned the extent of the information depicted in the article. There is a big difference in what i said and what you assert.I personally think if would be hard for that much corruption to take place and not surface before now. I never said no corruption took place. Some or any might have and some might not. Everything i read was more accusation than conviction.
James, as MG pointed out, you have the reading comprehension skills of a bigoted third grader if the IQ comment in the article is what stuck in your pea-sized, bigoted cluster of neurons that pass for a brain buried in your thick skull.
let's talk about Cops IQ. It is a well known fact that departments prefer lower IQ officers because they tend to act first, and not use their brains.
Yesss let's talk IQ
I agree with you. There was a case in Connecticut where a man was not hired for a policeman because he scored to high on an IQ test. They said they were reluctant to hire people with high IQ because they feared the individual would become bored and quit. He actually sued them and he lost the case.
If your grammar and punctuation is any indication, you should be the last person to point out IQ tests.
Anyway, IQ tests measure directly a test-taker's display of particular cognitive skills: size of vocabulary, degree of reading comprehension, facility with analogies, and so on. These are positively correlated with quality of education and parents education etc.
In short, tests of general mental abilities do not exist, which I assume you would have known given your leisurely pursuits.
So you admit that Dothan police are as dumb as the average black perp they arrest.
Interesting, James. You may be on to something. These allegations may be all attributed to the Stupid Pigs of Dothan.
What's your point James? Are you saying that (if IQ measures worked in the way you're suggesting) that this would be sufficient reason for these cops to misuse their power, in order to lock up wrongly convicted people?
But you're quite the mental giant, certainly, if you don't understand why IQ (the way you've just defined it) doesn't actually measure what you think it measures.
Why did these cops have to fabricate crimes in order for the people in question to be convicted of crimes? Please explain. Include in that explanation your official IQ so we can judge whether or not your opinion is valid. Clearly that's how that works, right?
Hadrow. My comment was meant to support the first paragraph that stated blacks have a lower IQ. IQ has nothing to do with the corruption alleged in the remainder of the article.IQ measure innate fluid intelligence. I know exactly what test such as the Stanford-Binet and Wechsler measure . I have taken both as well as Ravens.
IQ is not an accurate measure of intelligence so….. it doesn't matter
That has been a subject of debate for over a century. It was Goulds argument in mismeasurement of men. Herrnstein and Murray then wrote the The Bell Curve in response. I'm not debating the validity of IQ as a measurement of men. I'm just saying blacks have lower IQ. I personally believe the data provided by Murray and Herrnstein compiled far outweighs people such as Gould. Apparently the APA does too, or so they would not have confirmed it in a public report.
Guess what James? People who brag about their IQ scores usually turn out to be incredibly stupid people. I'm Asian. Statistically my IQ scores would be much higher than yours. Now obey me like a good inferior subspecies of human that you are, and go do something worthwhile with that wreck you call a life.
chu che you are correct, Asians on average do have an IQ 6 points higher than whites. I don't deny the facts as many on here do. In many ways the Asian culture is superior to whites too.
Stop yammering and just accept the fact that black men have bigger penises, kid.
Really? I've never seen a bell curve showing data distribution on that subject. You might be right. How many have you personally measured for your database?
Racist morons like you, James, are only emboldended because there are many racist chickensh*ts piping up these days – out of sheer fear of the black man. Especially the one in the White House. Admit it, chickensh*ts – you're terrified of the people you've systematically oppressed for decades.
You're afraid of the retribution that is your actual life karma. Being an oppresor, a racist and a complete tool on top of that, would definitely yield irrational paranoia as a by-product.
Oh his only point is to distract and many of us fell for it. Meanwhile the distinct smell of burning documents permeates the sheriff's office.
Many of the studies you imply that support the claim that whites have better IQa were BY WHITE PEOPLE who used these tests to justify their superiority over people of color. Have fun living in your fantasy land!
ReallyBishhh, I guess those academic scores reported by the state BOE are designed to justify whites superiority too huh? Everyone know that IQ has a direct correlation to academic attainment. If blacks IQ was even close to whites wouldnt we see similar correlation in academic scores? Denying the numbers does not change their validity. lol
No but debunking the flawed methods that were used to arrive at those numbers does change their validity, which was done years ago. And by trying to promote such antiquated racist drivel, in addition to asserting the false claim that IQ tests measure anything but test-taking ability, shows everyone how insecure and dimwitted you are. How embarrassing.
So you're saying such test as the ASVAB are racially flawed and bias?
Ahh, but you forget a few things: school to prison pipelines, accreditation of the school, school budget (poor
Areas don't get enough money, so educational tools are often lacking and outdated), area of said school. Because of redlining, low income African Americans are grouped
into low income areas, because those areas tend to be together, they go to a low income/budget school. Since poor people rarely
Pay taxes or go to stores in the area they live (because food deserts), very little money comes into the school. Very
Little money means limited resources. Limited resources mean lower quality of education. In other words, it's like trying to run a race with no idea where the finish line is, and you have a leg cramp. I'm sure you also believe we blacks are faster and jump higher because we have an extra leg muscle.
Sticks you have actually got it backwards. Title I schools receive addition federal funding to compensate for the exact things you listed….http://www.formulafairness.com/title1 —http://www2.ed.gov/programs/titleiparta/index.html
"James," you are re-quoting figures that have been bandied about for almost half a century by researchers whose paradigms are nearly obsolete and whose interpretations of those findings were met with near-universal condemnation. I'm a neuroscientist and I have actually studied the Bell Curve piece by twisted piece. FYI: Psychometrics can no more be a hobby than can be Neurosurgery, though psychometrics as you use it and phrenology have more in common. Suffice it to say, not only is *NOTHING* "irrefutable" to a scientist, the silly, neat numbers you've memorized have been not only refuted but made obsolete. Those who lean on them as fact or the basis for anything other than a call to improve our understanding of mental and intellectual function and the disparity in understanding of underprivileged groups show themselves to be poorly informed and frankly, silly. Instead of Herrnstein and Murray, try Stephen Jay Gould on for size. I suggest "The Mismeasure of Man" for a cold look in the mirror of at your own folly. It's a book about the generations of people who fell into the trap of bias when researching intelligence. You may be surprised to find out that the obsolete psychometrics you "study."
***Oh, I'm sorry I wasted my time. I was the silly one this whole time. The link you "cite" is (literally) nazi propaganda https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/national-vanguard. Wow, so you're just a white-supremacist. At least you had the decency to cite them "directly" rather than hide behind the academics that promulgated racist conclusions from incomplete understanding of intelligence, race and genetics. But you could have just as easily mentioned Dr. Jensen whose work, as a devout hobbyist you must be familiar with. For everyone else, here's a quick run-down by a group familiar with both his work and that of the National Vanguard: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/arthur-jensen.
Wrong! Psychometrics can be a hobby just as anything else can. A hobby is something a person gets pleasure from. I enjoy reading books and articles on the subject.
The numbers you claim to be obsolete have not changed. They don't call them IQ test any longer because IQ test has negative connotations to some. We see that in the replies on this story. These days they use proxy test such as SAT, ACT, GMAT,LSAT,ASVAB,GRE, Aspire etc. The black-white gap still exist in these test just as they have always existed.
I read mismeasurement of men over 10 yrs ago and Gould never denied the black-white gap.His argument was the validity of the test as a measurement of men. Murray and Herrnstein wrote The Bell Curve and compiled the data to support the thesis that IQ does have a correlation to life outcome in men. Both books acknowledged the black-white gap. The arguments were nature vs nurture and validity. I'm not debating anything other than the black white gap existed and still exist today. People can observe life around them and determine for themselves if it matters in the world around us.
"James," you are re-quoting figures that have been bandied about for almost half a century by researchers whose paradigms are nearly obsolete and whose interpretations of those findings were met with near-universal condemnation. I'm an actual neuroscientist and I've studied the Bell Curve piece by twisted piece. [FYI: Psychometrics can no more be a hobby than can be Neurosurgery, though psychometrics as you use it and phrenology have more in common.] Suffice it to say, not only is *NOTHING* "irrefutable" to a scientist, the silly, neat numbers you've memorized have been not only refuted but made obsolete. Those who lean on them as fact or the basis for anything other than a call to improve our understanding of mental and intellectual function and the disparity in understanding of underprivileged groups show themselves to be poorly informed and frankly, silly. Instead of Herrnstein and Murray, try Stephen Jay Gould on for size. I suggest "The Mismeasure of Man" for a cold look in the mirror of at your own folly. It's a book about the generations of people who fell into the trap of bias when researching intelligence. You may be surprised to find out that the obsolete psychometrics you "study."
***Oh, I'm sorry I wasted my time. I was the silly one this whole time. The link you "cite" is (literally) nazi propaganda https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/national-vanguard. Wow, so you're just a white-supremacist. At least you had the decency to cite them directly rather than hide behind the academics that promulgated racist conclusions from incomplete understanding of intelligence, race and genetics. But you could have just as easily mentioned Dr. Jensen whose work, as a devout hobbyist you must be familiar with. For everyone else, here's a quick run-down by a group familiar with both his work and that of the National Vanguard: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/arthur-jensen.
I strongly doubt you're "an actual scientist" or you wouldn't be citing a source known for fudging his data.
Let me guess – next you're going to cite Jared Diamond?
I don't even have the time or inclination to rebut your smear of Arthur Jensen, who's reputation among his peers is indisputable, even among those scientists who disagree with his conclusions.
You say Jensens reputation is indisputable. He's says the same thing i do, whites 100 blacks 85. Here's an article by him…http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/The%20totality%20of%20available%20evidence%20shows%20the%20race%20IQ%20gap%20still%20remains.pdf
I doubt he's a scientist too. He's still addressing cause rather than the existence of the gap. I have a simple solution . I've always wanted to line thousands and thousands of blacks up in a row to take an IQ test. Bet each one a hundred bucks that they score lower than me. lol That would be a simple way to settle this once and for all. I would make the same bet with the individuals that they score under 100. If thousands took the test i would still win a pile of money. lol
I would be very interested in irrefutable data with sources to substantiate your claim. It is commonly known that there are any number of mitigating factors that account for any disparities of intelligence testing among 'races'. In fact, there is great debate about the validity of any tests proposing to gauge intelligence.
C.L.E didn't you just agree with me that disparities of intelligence does exist between the races? I've never addressed the "mitigating factors" that account for the disparity that you clearly admitted exist. lol
You say to everyone "refute it with facts," but you've given no facts, none with any amount of backup or support anyway. Just because you make a claim doesn't make it a fact.
Philman, i posted several links. I don't know if you didn't see them or what. The one by the American Psychological Association, Intelligence Known and Unknown, that attempted to refute the information failed to refute it. Their goal was to refute it and they couldn't. Maybe you should read The Bell Curve and try to find data to refute it. Most of us would welcome any date available on the subject along with empirical evidence to support it.
I won't be proving my education level to you, Ser James, Knight of the true blood. I'd rather not have my white brethren targeting me for a shakedown.
So I've taken, again, too much time on this page. Here's the upshot. Where there are differences what is your suggestion? back to africa or find the cause? The sources you yourself have lately cited show the flexibility of testing when you look at the data with any care. The majority of recent data show that nurture is very important. The only thing your "data" have to do with this article, if true, is show evidence that the cruelty the officers involved and thousands more across the country have made it impossible for there to be a level playing field for black children. Something I witnessed my entire life growing up.
Coupla' things before I get back to trying to help *all* of humanity.
1. Shouldn't a person versed in IQ theory know that 100 is, by definition, dead average? A set point where 50% are above and 50% are below?
2. The article you cite actually debunks pretty much everything you said right in the blasted ABSTRACT! (No, I'm not going to read further, busy doing real work) https://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releases/amp-67-2-130.pdf
3. The fact that you subsequently found original sources doesn't hide the fact that you started out citing a Neo-Nazi website. I hate ad hominem as much as the next hominem, but you are not a valued participant.
4. Nobody should read the Bell Curve. It is 20 years old based on 40 year old theory.
5. If you read Gould's book you'd know what the analysis was and that it was only one part of a greater story of a priori bias in science. As the article states, Gould didn't access the skulls for re measurement he analyzed the data and methodology. Those research assert (and appear to have proved) he was wrong in his conclusion… that is how science works.
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I previously stated 100 is the mean (average) IQ. By mathematical definition only one person alive has an IQ of exactly 100.Of course there is an infinite number of decimals could follow 99. If Murray and Herrnstein book is based on outdated data then Goulds is outdated because it was published about 12 or 13 years earlier. lol Does it really matter what link one accessed as long as the information is accurate? I substantiated its accuracy with other links.My information was compiled from more sources than The Bell Curve. I wasn't referring to the book each time i mentioned "bell curve". I was referring to a gaussian function that is commonly known as a bell curve. Of course you know that if you're a scientist. I think i only referred to the book once as a rebuttal to mismeasure of men.
No link i posted refutes anything i said as far as i know. Can you be more specific by copying and pasting? By the way Gould agrees with Murray on the 15 point gap. They only disagree on the cause.I have never argued the cause. Seems many can't seem to comprehend that fact even though i have said it several times. I posted a video of Gould confirming the 15 point gap existed as recent as 2014.
Now lets see what is all known about Gray. It may show who really should have been.in prision and his practices toward people in that dept.racism is also commited by blacks also. I DONT THINK HE WANTS TO GO THERE TOO FAR.
WHERE IN THE WORLD did you get that it takes a 100 IQ to graduate from high school????? If that were the case there will be thousands and thousands of diplomas withdrawn. IQ's are very private and not even shared with teachers.
Your statements make me think you are the one with a deficient IQ.
Froma75 year old retired teacher
This is one of the sites that answers your question. There are hundreds more if you take time to look for them….http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iq.htm
Oh please…. you clearly don't even know the history of the creation of the IQ test LOL. I find it laughable that people that throw IQ tests around are usually people with low intelligence. How many times must an IQ test be debunked and by how many Scientist before people like you give it up? Hell the IQ test was tailor engineered to benefit non blacks. It was revised several times when blacks were being tested with them during many phases of their current creation in California. And it is PROVEN that black children in elementary school in suburban schools perform on PAR with white children. Head Start comes to mind. But ONCE they leave the program and go BACK to terrible inner city schools those scores plummet.
It's hilarious that you sit there pretending the schools are equal…… equal in quality of teachers, equal in funding, or ANYTHING… How can they have higher intelligence when they often attend schools that don't even have BOOKS!!! Or where the teacher just "hang out" and the kids play cards because nothing is happening?
I don't know what schools are like in other states. I do know in this area the students are taught in the same buildings by the same teachers and the achievement gap continues to exist. How can you explain that? You might be correct if you're talking about schools in places like Detroit vs Dothan. Of course there is a huge black white achievement gap in Dothan schools too. lol
meowmix i recommend you read the results of The Abecedarian Project. It addresses what you comment referred to. Another good study is the Reardon and Galindo report (http://aer.sagepub.com/content/early/2009/04/10/0002831209333184 You will find the black/white gap widened as they progressed in school. The students were in the same school and taught by the same teachers. I don't know if schools in other areas lack books but schools in Alabama provided books for all students and the gap still existed. That's quickly becoming a moot argument anyway. Most schools in Alabama are doing away with books. My granddaughter has no books at all this year. The books were loaded onto her computer by the school. My grandson has no books in his college classes either.
Please provide evidence for your claim regarding IQ. And if your figures are indeed correct, can that deviation be explained through lower education opportunities, or the crushing nature of poverty? To just toss out such a statement without any citation to support it and no attempt to explain it makes you sound like a total racist.
This is a more recent link with references attached you can refer to…..http://public.econ.duke.edu/~hf14/teaching/povertydisc/readings/neal2006.pdf
tasteless i know that SAT scores are not the same as IQ test but they do have a high correlation factor. This is last years SAT scores by race as well as a correlation chart to IQ. http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/920452-sat-to-iq-correlation.html—–https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2015/09/03/sat-scores-drop-and-racial-gaps-remain-large As you will see the black average is 1277 on the SAT but the correlation chart does not go that low. One must have a 1500 score to correlate to a 105 IQ. Many correlation charts exist and differ because IQ test are based on a 15 or 16 point standard deviation. All will be close.
You're amazing, and I don't mean that sarcastically. You find yourself surrounded by racist, lying imbeciles, some of whom assert that they know something about psychometrics, or to be psychometricians, and whose "scientific" response to real facts is race-baiting, ad hominem attacks and outright lies, yet you keep coming back with more facts. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were a young man, God bless you.
This is today's America, and it's only going to get worse.
what in sam hell does any of that bs have to do with pathetic ruining the lives of young black men.
It doesn't have any connection at all; the commenter named "James" is simply attempting (and, sadly, succeeding to some degree) to distract readers from the focus of the story–corrupt, racist police engaged in illegal activities–by challenging a statement made only in passing.
Don't allow yourself to be diverted.
First off FIX THIS SITE. Every time I want to reply I have to sign in again and again.
If this happens with James, he is certainly being paid to do this shilling. Look at the number of hours he has posted.
Actually, we should thank James. He has allowed many of us to refute the "Dumb Nagger" myth and point out exactly why people like him are the reason the IQs are lower.
He has probably motivated us to organize a huge civil rights march in Dothan. Thank the gods for the 2nd Amendment so we can come armed in case the Klan dares show their wrinkled pink nutsacks.
Cops, council, mayor, country commissioners should all be indicted, jailed and made to clean up and serve the black neighborhoods they forced blacks in Dothan to live. Kinda like…slaves. They like slavery lets give the whites of Alabama some of what they crave.
Citizen: "Boy. Boy. Fetcha me a watah."
Disgraced Pig convict: "Yes sah!"
So yes, thank James for allowing the truth to be told by so many others that his position was self mangled.
James: only old white men use 'lol' anymore. Are you old? Your thinking is old, how about the body?
You said this "Actually, we should thank James. He has allowed many of us to refute the "Dumb Nagger" myth and point out exactly why people like him are the reason the IQs are lower."
You contradicted yourself in the same sentence. You claim that ya'll refuted my assertion that blacks have lower IQ and then said people like me are the reason their IQ's are lower. I've had people contradict themselves before but never in the same sentence that i can remember. LMAO
And to answer your question, yes i'm an old man.
Your comment probably sounded better in the original German.
Well dickhead, let's just say that's true. It could be because 3 generations ago, whites would KILL blacks if we attempted to learn to read or write. And what do black IQs have to do with any of this you racist bastard you?
How does what happened 3 generations ago affect kids that have been educated in the same classrooms and by the same teachers? How can that account for the diversity that still exist not only in IQ scores but academic scores? That argument is moot. Not to mention IQ does not measure crystallized intelligence. It measures fluid intelligence.
Again, you show your ignorance for your own supposed hobby. "How does what happened 3 generations ago affect kids.." It's called epigenetics and we've known about it a pretty long time now. It's not a hobby if you read a couple articles and maybe a book a few years back. Again, stop reading the neo-nazi stuff and try some legitimate, current sources.
It is clear that if you do not know about other things in the story, you should be advised that what you comment on is not "IN THIS STORY": i.e.;the IQ of blacks is not in the story. The story shows that white police officers aligned with racial hate groups, including the new Chief of Police Steve Parrish and the Current Homeland Security Director-Andy Hughes (former Sheriff of Houston County) oversaw racist, illegal planting of drugs and guns on young black males. Now, try to get someone to read the article to you if you are that challenged, so you might make a relevant comment or I am asking Jon to remove this idiocy from the blog so others who understand can stay focused and that this not be used to feed racist foolishness like that which you spew. Idiot Quotient is what IQ it stands for in cases where people get off topic to promote their idiocy in hops of detracting others from the real subject matter, like you did in your comment. Sure you have a higher Idiot Quotient than others, black or white. Learn to read, then comment on the subject matter, please. These are white men who are clearly racist,criminals whose behavior was told on by other white and black men and the idea that you want to defend this, whether you are black or white is simply idiotic. Blacks have always known that there were factions in the police force who engaged in illegal behavior – just read the Keith Gray case against the City of Dothan and the 74 page opinion where a federal judge mentions Steve Parrish' name 38 times describing the environment in which this intelligent black man was forced to work in order to have a job at the Dothan PD. WOW. That poor treatment just came back to bite them all in the A–. Wonder why your IQ did not allow you to discover it sooner. The matter is clear to anyone who can read. I understand that you, showing such lowly intelligence are challenged in understanding the subject matter and hope that Jon will remove all of the ridiculous comments about, off topic comments and things that this article is not about so intelligent people can converse without the Idiot Quotient (IQ) of people like you included here. There is no sympathy for those who claim to be intelligent, but cannot read, but choose to promote racial hate and cover for criminal activities against anyone. Sorry, but that argument about IQ just fell through the cracks. It ain't about that. Regardless of one's intelligence, there is no reason for the criminals to be given badges and guns and called police, to make up crimes, plant drugs, and the DA to get paid for colluding with them. This is a clear Racketeering operation, among other high crimes. Get ready for the super long jail train to take them all away. Are you one of them; Goodbye!!!
"The group has advocated for blacks to "return" to Africa, published that the civil rights movement is really a Jewish conspiracy, and that blacks have lower IQ's . Both Parrish and Hughes held leadership positions in the group and are pictured above holding a confederate battle flag at one of the club's secret meetings." RThis was copied and pasted directly from the article. I admit the main topic of the story is not IQ but it was mentioned.
You are vomiting blatant white supremacist lies about blacks being less intelligent then whites. Are you a member of the Tea Party, KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, NRA? Do you support Donald Trump for POTUS?
You do know that the KKK was started by democrats…..right? Let me guess, you're gonna vote for Hilary.
I personally know Ms. Ruth and she is a very educated woman. I guarantee her IQ is higher than anyone posting on this article. So are her children. Your numbers are wrong and IQ test are based on the norm. Who is the norm? I know plenty of people that do not have degrees that are highly intelligent people. Just because you can read, write and answer a question on paper does not make you intelligent. God gave each and everyone of us special abilities.
As race is concerned Gen 1:26 God created everyone in his image. 1 Samuel 16:7 Peole look at outward appearance, the Lord looks at the heart.Leviticus 19:33-34
33 "'When a foreigner resides among you in your land, do not mistreat them. 34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.
Out of this whole article the only thing u get out of this is black and white iq levels? Smh… no words……
It's called deflection. A classic response by a racist who could care less that blacks have been wrongly imprisoned by their oppressors. Look at how much time and effort he has spent diverting everyone from the real issue at hand.
It's like asking Trump a foreign policy question.
Are you inferring that blacks as a race are not as schooled as whites? I agree! But I disagree it has anything to do with race. I has everything to do with sub standard education, disruption of the household by cracker corn-pone pigs throwing Dad and Mom in jail for the past 40 years.
The reason why blacks have a lower IQ is because it is hard to exist with a white pigs cowboy boot on their collective necks.
You are part of the problem. Please go take a long swim in a cold river.
Rick i am saying blacks have lower IQ. Apparently you agree with me judging by your last comment. You're looking for causation with the majority of that comment. I also believe you're confusing IQ with acquired knowledge (formal education).Your thesis is invalid when you consider blacks and whites have been educated in the same classrooms, by the same teachers for the past 50 yrs. In order to acquire knowledge one must first retain an IQ high enough to permit the acquisition of knowledge. This link might help you to better understand the concept….https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_and_crystallized_intelligence
Where is this documented? I'd like to read it, because it sounds like garbage. I'm black. I graduated HS, college with a bachelor's, went back to nursing school and graduated….a third time, and now I'm about to graduate with my master's degree. Soooo, not so 8th grade. My sister will be completing he master's. My brother has a bachelor's. My father completed college and then taught himself computers and programing, and owns a very successful networking and programing company. There is no credible study that reports these findings. Wonder who ran the study.. then again. .I don't. I know who. What's interesting is that an entire article told a story of corruption and false charges against hundreds of people and that's all you gleaned from it? Not so intelligent.
JJ i never said all blacks were dumb. There's many intelligent blacks just as there is many dumb whites. Percentile data is derived from large data sets. You cannot cherry pick small quantities and develop an accurate percentile ranking. Consequently the bell curve ranking of IQ is based on a very large data set.
s://www.nytimes.com/books/first/j/jencks-gap.html. Some fact and figures that question your racism. Also, please correct your grammar, genius.
Your link doesn't work and nothing wrong with my grammar for someone with comprehension skills. lol
The primary driver behind low IQ scores is poverty and environment. White kids mired in systemic poverty suffer from the same deficiency. The assertion that people of color are genetically inferior is complete bunk and you are rightly being publicly criticized for helping to propagate this falsehood.
Dan that's another chicken or egg question. Does being poor make one dumb or does dumb make one poor? Kinda a zen riddle ain't it ! lol
You're a fucking moron, James!
How is that relevant.
You are a moron!
Way to hijack the story. A true RRWinger through and through.. Storm front, anyone?
Stormfront Troll.
You steered the conversation away from an injustice against black citizens perpetrated by white racists. And people fell for it, but I won't.
White supremacy exists, this is the face of it, when faced with this irrefutable fact Racists try to deflect but the TRUTH WILL ALWAYS BE THE TRUTH IN THE END.
I see you for what you are.
You should kill yourself.
How do you explain your own idiocy, james?
Please cite your sources.
James: By reading your comments and basking in your "wisdom" we can now see what happens when a baby is repeatedly dropped on his head.
Now, James, you really need to wipe that snot off your upper lip, go up to your room and get out of your pajamas so mommie can wash them, and get ready for your lunch of Hot Pockets. Then you can go down in the basement and play in your little "blanket fort" where "The Coloureds" won't "get" you.
If anyone else reads James post, please do not reply. He is attempting to deflect from the issue with some IQ BS. He is insecure about his own IQ, afraid of any Black person being smarter than him, so he feels he needs to make a point. Please move on.
Oh I guess that makes you a genius huh? If you believe that bullshit you just said then you are one dumb mf. You racist prick this is about bad racist cops and state governments who is knowingly framing innocent blacks you stupid honkey. Bet you didn't know that your momma was f**king a black guy
Even if what you say is true, does that make it OK toe falsely arrest b lack people, plant drugs on them, etc.?
James: Your IQ is about 8 standard deviations below stupid. You make Sarah Palin seem like Einstein. You are a racist, a fool, and you obviously know NOTHING about IQs, brains or biology. You, James, are the definition of a schmuck!
Psychometrics is a false science and has long been debunked as such. Psychometrics, eugenics and biological determinism have been the stronghold of virulently racist and supremacists traitors to our great nation such as yourself. You ought to be ashamed of yourself but then again you are from the dirty south.
Dea do you believe academic scores are racist too? If blacks were intellectually equal to whites wouldn't we see similar academic scores? Did the white man provide blinders and ear plugs to the blacks in class so they weren't able to learn? lol
Let's accept what you are saying about black people and IQs.
The numbers are AVERAGES. That does not tell you anything about the intelligence of an INDIVIDUAL person, be they black, white, or other.
And I don't know about you, but I live in AMERICA where we look at people, and recognize their (lack of) merit, as individuals.
Finally, it doesn't matter if the black person in question has an IQ of 85 or 185, a law enforcement officer who plants drugs is a criminal who belongs in jail for a very very long time. Let their families cry their eyes out – who cares? These cops made their decisions and now they have to live with the consequences. The black people in question had to live with consequences but had no choice in the matter.
The article says "Specifically young black men who had clean records were targeted." If these allegations are true (innocent unless proven guilty here in AMERICA), then this set of cop scum deserves NOTHING but hard jail time.
eye-que, you comment is the most logical i have read. I totally agree that the bell curve is based on statistical analysis to derive a mean. Not ALL blacks are dumb just as not ALL whites are smart. I also concur with you on the alleged planting of evidence if in fact it did occur. Accusations alone do not guarantee guilt or convictions.
Really wow. Interesting because I'm black with a college degree. My son who is 17 years old has an IQ of 123. IQ test are culturally geared towards whites and also does not take into account that people of color do not share the same realities as whites. If you are trying to infer that whites are smarter than blacks then shame on you because the playing field for blacks are systematically design for setbacks.
123 is a pretty good score. It places him about the 93 percentile range overall and probably in the 99.???? percentile range for black only depending on which test he took.
The sad part is that with the average IQ ranging from 80-120, police departments nationwide typically seek out candidates in the 80-100 range. Literate, but not greatly so. Intelligent enough to follow directions and obey orders, but not enough to compare those orders to the Constitution or even basic moral standards. This is why so many cops are daily willing to violate the Constitutional rights of almost everyone they meet – they've been told its ok by their superiors and when they are caught and publicly exposed as violating rights (even to the point of murder) they are reinforced by a blue-community atmosphere that says their actions were acceptable, or at least should be.
James is a racist moron.
This is the dumbest thing I have read all year. Just plain old ignorant. please stop believing bullshit probably written by a white elitist to make you feel like you are superior.
That's what you chose to comment about? Not the fact that there was a systemic corruption involving the law enforcement of an entire county in the United States? This goes against all principles of this country.
You must be black because you're dumb af!
Your statement is false. What you have stated is probably best described as a pseudo truth. It's what most biased individuals fall victim to when they come into contact with information they do not understand. With no facts to back your statement you isolate correlations to suite your opinion. Let me explain…
Let us take the numbers as true… blacks score 1 deviation point (15 points) lower than whites on I.Q. tests. While on the surface that may be of some truth; however your conclusion or assertion that whites are therefore more intelligent is unfounded or the basis that race even determines how someone does on a test is flawed at a fundamental level.
1. I.Q. tests are actually used to predict how successful an individual may be in obtaining higher education (college degree)
2. The correlation between race and I.Q. test score is not the same as the correlation between race and intelligence. Neither is the I.Q. score but that's a completely different argument.
3. Correlation never equals causation… anyone that has studied statistics knows this. The mitigating factors or confounding variables are not taken into account with raw data. i.e. If you take a survey on a college campus, you may find 89.9% of respondents are college students and have more than 10 college credits. Now to take that data and apply it to the overall population in that city/state is not statistically correct. So you can't say that 89.9% of people in the state/city are college students and have 10 or more credits. In comparison that same study/survey done in a jail. The numer might be much lower. The same applies, you cant then take that data and apply it to a completely different population or extract non related evidence and make a valid conclusions. That is exactly what you are doing with the data you found. You might hear or see a study say controlling for x variables. That essentially means comparing apples to apples. To do this in regards the test scores would need to have the test takers be equal i.e. similar education, age (I.Q. scores take age into cosideration), etc etc. The independent variable would be race (black or white) the dependent variable the test scores. If you take a black person with a PhD and a white person with a PhD, and about the same age… their scores would/should be closer given they also have similar areas of study and GPA's. That is the basis of calling your assertion false.
Your thesis implies the average IQ of the nation is flawed by failing to select a diversity of test takers to provide data. Basically what you suggest is whites selected to take an IQ test have Phd's and blacks selected have high school educations. I agree the only real way to get accurate data is by randomly choosing the participates. I have no idea how they pick the thousands of people that take the test in order to derive the mean and you don't know either. I could argue the opposite. I could argue they choose only white high school students and black grad students to calculate the mean IQ. I guess the best way it to stand at the doors of Wal Marts across the country and randomly choose shoppers as they walk in the door as test participates. I suspect even that method would be somewhat jaded since the upper tiers of society doesn't shop at Wal Mart. lol
Really dumb! Just because your skin color you are smarter, better, faster, less drug addicted, not as rape like? Really?? Because you know what I think your fucking white niggers. How fucking dumb all you racist sound and I'm WHITE! Grow up we are not in the 1900's anymore further more should our intelligence want us to return to that. Fuck if I shot you, you'd bleed red mother fucker not white! Grow up and grow some real compassion and balls stop blaming anything with color for your retarded life! Sincerely, an intelligent white person!
What exactly does IQ have to do with the illegal actions of a dirty police force framing blacks? Nothing – and your statement was an intentional troll to take subsequent comments off the focus on staggering systemic racism in Dothan, Alabama and engage in victim blaming and shaming. Troll.
Well tell that jibberish to my THREE degrees, and yes one of them is a graduate degree. And tell that to all of the other educated African Americans/Blacks. Tell that to all of the successful African American CEOs, business owners, professors, inventors, doctors, and etc. What is it you do again? I'll wait…
thats not true a lot black people are very smart. and smarter than whites and any other race of people. but you just hear about it. most of the things thru out history were invented by blacks. only to be stolen by colored white people. nobody is perfect there are lots of not so bright white people i know because i hang out with them. and there good people. stop going by what you hear in the media. and get the true facts.
you don't know any thing. you sound just like the dirty cops in this article. If they have a lower IQ it is probably because they had lousy lazy teachers. It's been proven that the worse teachers taught in mainly black students schools.
Your an idiot!
That's only in America where the school system in which minorities live is in disaray Africans built the pyramids. We are nor iferior intellectually.
And that would have nothing to do with institutional racism, redlining people of color into certain economically depressed areas and legal oppression such as this affection social structure and the morale of the citizenship? How about eugenics based beliefs of the 50s-80s guiding policy?
Why does that matter in this context? Please explain
Interesting???? I as a teacher find that hard to believe! Some of the highest performing students I ever taught were black!
You are an idiot, a racist hick fool . Poverty and circumstances shape IQ. Arrogance and white elitism fuels this stupidity of superiority. The fact after reading this vile feces you come on here to babble that point earns you a need to be slapped across your ignorant hick face and educated that all humans are the same
RJ, can you please point out where i have stated the cause of the gap? I have no doubt that "Poverty and circumstances shape IQ" to some degree. My position has always been the gap exist and cannot be refuted. You're welcome to determine the cause as you see fit. I've read articles from both sides of the nature vs nurture debate that i feel are valid. Nature vs nurture are synonyms for genetic vs environmental in the event some don't understand nature vs nurture.
James you are a sick vile sad sack of racist hick
AHAHAHAH JAmes this is from your own SOURCE:
And, as has been the case for years, students from wealthier families score better than do those from disadvantaged families.
That link you provided says NOTHING about races being a rational behind lower IQ scores.
Whites = wealthier families
Blacks= historically and legislatively disadvantaged by racist law.
By your own source, it clearly shows that black as a race is not an indicator of low IQ, but opportunity has EVERYTHING to do with I.Q. scores.
Thanks for proving everyone's point, "James".
I believe we are all done with you. Go hide under your bed, or turn off your phone. The griddle needs cleaning at the Waffle House you work at.
Rick there is two sides to any story. It could be that whites are in wealthier because their ancestors were intelligent enough to enter higher paying careers that provided the wealth. It goes back to the old cause and effect question, Is poverty cause by lack of intelligence or is lack of intelligence caused by poverty? That's the same old chicken and egg argument that's taken place for many years.
I'm shocked. Shocked. Well, I'm not shocked.
Amazing that this sort of racist mendacity still exists. I'm sure that, with your bullshit made-up evidence of racial superiority, you can justify any length of hypocrisy imaginable.
I call bullshit on the "black and IQ" thing, by the way, since whites ostensibly have all the power in society – yet they're polluting and ruining the planet. Doesn't sound smart to me.
racists have been shown to have low iq. its funny how racists like to cite the collective iq of their race, as if theyre vicariously intelligent themselves. you arent, james. what other people achieve or are capable of has nothing to do with what you have achieved or are capable of. you are on your own. you have no collective stats to fall back on. youre a loser.
Idiot you're NOT smarter than a sixth (6th) grader!!!!
Oh look, there goes the point! You have responded to this article by focusing on an issue it doesn't even raise. This isn't an article about IQ. IQ is simply irrelevant to the article. Why are you even discussing IQ?
What it is about is police criminality on a relatively large scale. Having worked in law enforcement, and having investigated official misconduct, I can assure you that there have been many, many police officers who have committed these sorts of crimes. And the documentation is exactly the kind of documentation one would find in that time period.
You are trying to change the subject. Which is why your comments are worthless.
Hell, let someone mistreat you in a similar manner and your IQ will decrease as well. If that is the only way you can be competitive, then you have very low self esteem. You are only a mess.
What the f*** is wrong with you? The fact that you've even written this shows that you missed the point of the article. You've got horrible reading comprehension.
Your comment is reprehensible. A bunch of white cops railroad hundreds of young black men into prison, destroying their lives and disrupting the lives of those who care about them and the best you can do is some idiotic, b#llsh!t, irrelevant study about IQ. You sir, are beneath contempt.
It figures that the only thing you pulled from this was iq info. Nevermind the rest. You're a pathetic person. A coward. Continue to ignore the truth, you too will have your judgement day. Yes I'm a black man, an intelligent black man this will also stomp a bone out a pussy like you.
What the FUCK does that have to do with the fact that these jerks were planting drugs and weapons ILLEGALLY on black men?! You idiots are what's wrong with this country!
This is the dumbest comment ever made. There was no excuse for those men to be convicted for no reason. Foolish white people who make the rules and tell the lies arrogantly,continue to believe that you are better than all other races. Whats funny is that the lies you tell are the ones that are destroying this country. Your hate for Blacks and Brown is your destruction. We don't believe in you. We don't trust you. We don't want you in our lives. When war comes to this country we won't help you fight. You are messy and evil and you will fall."Let the Devil take your hand and "GOD" will make you pay!!!!!!
James even though the data you provided is of no value to the topic at hand I will challenge you on the validity or usefulness of the research data. Here is the problem with the information you provided since we know African or Black Americans in the United States are not technically a separate race, but a social context in the United States your data is meaningless. African/Black Americans are on average are between 10% and 30% Caucasian (less than 1% Native American). Therefore, the data you provided to separate their intelligence from that of White counterparts is of no value since they are related to White Americans genetically. So you see Mr. James that Black and White Americans are cousins in the United States and for all the stupid fighting are closer than they know and really are family. I suggest you do a genetic test you may be surprised and find cousins that you never knew about.
Even though I firmly believe your a troll I just wanted to point out the worthlessness of the research data you provided due to how genetically intertwined that Blacks and Whites are in this country.
An argument that is irrelevant with respect to the purpose of the article.
I'm black, but I'm a scientist (neuroscience and biochemistry – not that social science BS), so I'll make this easy for you to understand. IQ is not a purely a function of race. IQ is a function of genetics AND environment, which includes factors like exposure to toxic chemicals and access to nutrition – things that are more likely to negatively affect blacks. Poorer areas are usually closer to industrial areas, which are affected by industrial pollution, and poorer people such as blacks are more likely to have poorer nutrition.
Just these two factors alone affect blacks much more disproportionately than whites. There's a lot more science behind my statements (http://www.nature.com/news/malnutrition-in-children-mars-gut-microbiome-1.15355), but you can Google my statements if you are suspect I'm wrong.
Lastly, correlation is not causation, so the last statement is a blanket statement that is false as written. Blacks may perform at 8th grade levels upon high school graduation, but it is not solely because of lower average IQ than whites – there are a myriad of factors other than IQ that affect high school graduation rates for individuals and communities of persons.
I will say that I hold no animosity towards you, but learn the data, how they were acquired, and their limitations before reciting them without proper context.
As a fellow black person, I don't want to give aid and comfort to James by starting an argument with you but I do stand up for the soft sciences. Hard sciences teach us how to build, measure and document but it is the soft sciences that seeks to understand WHY we build, measure and document. Sometimes our hard science brothers' brains grow so large that it squeezes out their soul — empirical intelligence versus emotional intelligence. Social sciences are not BS. They are not a waste. They simply operate in that grey area that exists between black and white. Assuming the grey away doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It simply means that it's too hard to measure so it is better to simply ignore it. There is no loveometer, lustometer, joyometer or griefometer but love, lust, joy and grief are very real nonetheless.
That said, James is a racist jerk who believes that any you do to a black person is OK, just because he's black.
Romell again you're debating the cause of the gap. I don't know the cause. If i were black i would want the cause to be genetic. Genetics would be out of ones control. Environmental is something one can control. Blacks should strive to change their culture if they feel it is the cause.
Even if black people are drooling monkeys who can barely keep themselves from throwing their own poop, they don't deserve to be framed for drug crimes.
Your IQ is no where higher than me the Blackman stupid avorton!!! You are a huge disaster to mankind and people like you shouldn't live on this planet…A doom day is ahead of people like you.
Racist please.
You must be a repug Texan
Unbelievable. You sir, are a racist and an ignorant man. I don't know where you get your racist statistics, but you are an abomination as a human being.