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Since then, Sir David Simon, and latterly new chief executive John Browne, have worked wonders, cutting debt, improving productivity and, it has to be said, riding a bit of luck. Their good work has been reflected by a share price that has outperformed the market by 65 per cent since August 1992 but arguably has still to reflect BP's bright growth prospects.
Half-time figures yesterday showed that not everything is going the company's way. Refining margins remain very tight, although well above the abnormally low returns achieved in the first quarter. Capacity continues to come on stream too fast, undoing the helpful contribution from rising volumes.
The oil price, too, while better on average than a year ago, and higher than in the first quarter, has fallen from its recent peak as the supply of crude has outstripped firm product demand. It is currently at the lower end of BP's planning range of between $16 and $18 a barrel.
Everything else, however, looks as good as it has for a long while, and the targets set three years ago after the departure of Bob Horton look like being achieved well ahead of schedule.
Rolling four-quarter profits have been rising every quarter since the first half of 1992, despite a steady decline in the oil price during the 1990s. In the upstream exploration and production division, net income per barrel of oil is now well ahead of BP's peers; return on assets in the capital-intensive refining and marketing operations is in line with the pack; and in chemicals, where BP has underperformed for years, it is now performing as well as its best competitors.
All those factors created the conditions for a much bigger rise in dividend than the market had been expecting. At 4p a quarter, the payout is now close to the 4.2p BP was paying before the dividend was halved three years ago.
Despite all the good news, BP still trades on a discount to its peers on a number of valuation measures. It has a lower price-to-cashflow ratio than the other integrated energy companies, trades on a lower p/e ratio and, thanks to the rising payout, is fast catching up in terms of yield. The shares have had a fantastic run over three years but have not yet run out of steam.
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Tarmac pulling out of housing was bad enough, but a profits warning from Wilson Bowden, perhaps the sector's best performer, is the clearest message so far that the industry has ground to a halt.
It is tempting to suggest that yesterday's statement was another piece of characteristic gloom from chairman David Wilson, but his comments were unequivocal. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, of course, but evidence was already piling up five months ago that Wilson Bowden's impressive recovery from recession was coming to an end.
Full-year figures for 1994 were excellent, but Mr Wilson suggested in March that flat house prices were all that could be expected this year and margins would come under pressure from rising building costs and higher land prices.
Even five months ago, volumes were patchy with good progress in some parts of the country undone by sluggish sales elsewhere. Those good figures saw the shares bounce by an anaemic 4p to 326p despite falling 43 per cent over the previous year, so it is little surprise that yesterday's confirmation that the cycle has peaked should wipe 28p off the shares to 343p.
The malaise afflicting the housing market has been well-rehearsed - uncertainty over interest rates, the whittling away of mortgage interest relief and the proposed elimination of guaranteed mortgage payments for the unemployed have conspired to wipe out what fragile confidence was returning to the market last year.
That is tough luck for Wilson, which handled the recession better than any of its peers. Even in the thick of the slump, return on sales never slipped below 13.5 per cent and the balance sheet remained strong with gearing at the end of last year 7 per cent.
Maintaining a land bank of more than 10,000 plots, or five years' supply, meant Wilson did not have to buy inflated land when the market got over- excited about recovery in 1994. It was shrewd enough to change its mind on pounds 20m of acquisitions in last year's second half. But, as the shares found yesterday, it is impossible to buck the general direction of a market and the recent flurry of bad news for the building sector means its underperformance is likely to continue.
At this stage in the cycle, shares should be trading at a substantial discount to the rest of the market as expectations of falling profits are fact- ored into prices. If Wilson makes pounds 32m this year, the shares will trade on a prospective p/e of 15. Even after the fall, that is demanding and the shares still look expensive.
Microfocus only for the brave
Investors in Microfocus have over the past five years grown used to wild gyrations in the share price of one of the most volatile stocks on the market. The company, which yesterday announced losses of pounds 4.5m for the first six months of 1995, has marched its shareholders all the way to a peak of pounds 30 only to march them all the way down again.
One of the darling stocks of the early 1990s, the British-managed but mainly US-focused developer of software soared to its recent high in early 1993, on the back of an impressive client list and the company's expertise in the mainframe computer sector.
It all went terribly wrong soon after, as the strong growth in so-called network servers began to whittle away at Microfocus's core markets. The stock plunged as low as 695p by this April, recovering to just under 800p earlier this month.
Microfocus reckons it has turned the ship round and pointed it in the right direction. The market's reaction yesterday, pushing the shares down from 790p to 725p, suggests its enthusiasm is not universally shared.
Guessing how well computer software companies will do is notoriously difficult. The company argues it can make good money helping clients move from mainframes to network servers, linking chains of personal computers. At the same time, it is concentrating on developing new software products, and hints that the fruits of an aggressive research and development spend in recent years will soon show through.
The team that took charge in 1994 is certain the good times will come again. Many mainframe users, they claim, don't like the idea of abandoning all their systems at one go, and will still need Microfocus's expertise in "re-engineering" old processes. Investors will be wise to wait and see.
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Though I do think this look is great on Kim and suits her very well, I wish to see her in something other than a boyfriend blazer and a blouse with her jeans. I would just like to see her more casual with her look, especially when wearing these. I would love to see her casual take on these pants. Click here to purchase these pants from J Brand's website for $1495.
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Chris Sale scratched from start due to 'clubhouse incident'
Chris Sale scratched from start due to 'clubhouse incident'
Chris Sale has not been traded, but he was scratched from his scheduled start Saturday due to a "clubhouse incident."
White Sox general manager Rick Hahn said in a statement about 25 minutes before the scheduled start of Saturday's game against the Detroit Tigers that Sale was sent home from the park after a "non-physical" incident that is being investigated by the team.
Here's Hahn's statement in full:
"Chris Sale has been scratched from tonight's scheduled start and sent home from the ballpark by the White Sox due to a clubhouse incident before the game. The incident, which was non-physical in nature, currently is under further investigation by the club.
"The White Sox will have no additional comment until the investigation is completed."
Multiple reports, which CSNChicago.com's Dan Hayes confirmed, have the incident stemming from Sale not wanting to wear a 1976 throwback jersey for Saturday's game. The White Sox announced in March they would wear those uniforms on July 23, instead, the White Sox wore their 1983-style uniforms for Saturday's game.
White Sox will wear navy collared throwback jerseys from 1976 on July 23. Won't wear the shorts. pic.twitter.com/ZKfsLjzzgU— Darren Rovell (@darrenrovell) March 3, 2016
Can confirm. Heard that nothing about today has anything to do with Chris Sale trade talks. https://t.co/MreMAzI1Tv— Dan Hayes (@CSNHayes) July 24, 2016
Not a joke: Source says Sale blowup was because he didn't want to wear throwbacks, so he cut the jerseys up so no one could wear them.— Tommy Stokke (@StokkeTommy) July 23, 2016
Source: "A little larger than that but essentially true." https://t.co/LBYkZRECvx— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) July 24, 2016
Yup, it's true. Chris Sale got sent home by White Sox for cutting up a jersey he didn't want to wear. Source confirms @StokkeTommy report.— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) July 24, 2016
Matt Albers instead started for the White Sox on Saturday.
CSN Chicago's Chuck Garfien reported the incident started over something "stupid," while ESPN's Jerry Crasnick reported the incident wasn't with any of Sale's teammates.
I'm hearing the Chris Sale incident was over something "stupid." Might have been a joke about getting traded and he flipped out.— Chuck Garfien (@ChuckGarfien) July 23, 2016
The Chris Sale incident with #whitesox was with front/office staff, source says. No problems with any teammates.— Jerry Crasnick (@jcrasnick) July 23, 2016
The news of Sale's scratching set Twitter ablaze with questions about if this year's American League All-Star starting pitcher was on the move. On Friday, rumors circulated that the Texas Rangers were pushing to acquire Sale, but the White Sox reportedly were asking for a hefty return.
On Saturday, the Dallas Morning News' Evan Grant reported the Rangers had moved on from talks with the White Sox and were focusing on acquiring a starting pitcher from the Tampa Bay Rays.
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MLB Network's Jon Heyman reported Saturday the cost to acquire Sale would be "five top prospects."
Earlier this week, general manager Rick Hahn said the White Sox were open to anything (except acquiring a second-half rental) but added that it might be "extreme" to undergo a full rebuild with Sale and fellow All-Star left-hander Jose Quintana under team control through 2019 and 2020, respectively.
"We certainly have desirable players that people would want to help them win a championship," Hahn said Thursday." But at the same time, we're aware of the fact that we have a lot of high-quality talent under control for years beyond 2016."
White Sox expect Brett Lawrie back soon, Alex Avila needs 2-4 more weeks
White Sox expect Brett Lawrie back soon, Alex Avila needs 2-4 more weeks
White Sox second baseman Brett Lawrie was out of the lineup for the second consecutive day with a tight left hamstring, and while he won't require a stint on the 15-day disabled list, his injury has left manager Robin Ventura a little shorthanded.
The White Sox are carrying 13 pitchers, so with Tyler Saladino filling in for Lawrie at second base, they've been left with only three players on the bench for this weekend's series against the Detroit Tigers. Ventura said he expects Lawrie to be ready to return to the lineup in the next couple of days.
Had outfielder Adam Eaton, who left Friday's 7-5 loss after fouling a ball off his foot, needed to miss Saturday's game, Ventura said the White Sox might've had to make a move to bring up another position player. Eaton is back leading off and playing right field on Saturday.
"It's a little tight having enough players on the bench," Ventura said.
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The White Sox position player depth has already been tested by injuries to outfielder Austin Jackson (knee) and catcher Alex Avila (hamstring), with both players unlikely to come off the disabled list for at least another month.
Avila, who re-aggravated his strained right hamstring Wednesday during a rehab game with Triple-A Charlotte, said he probably tried to return too quickly the White Sox. The 29-year-old Avila leads White Sox regulars with a .362 on-base percentage and said he'll need at least two to four weeks to heal up.
"I probably tried to rush back a little too quick and wasn't ready," Avila said. "It's frustrating. I'd like to be back, but you have to let nature take its course."
Bears OL Nate Chandler has retired
Bears OL Nate Chandler has retired
Less than two months after Nate Chandler signed with the Bears, the team announced on Saturday that the offensive lineman has retired.
Chandler, 27, signed with the Bears on June 2. He is the second offensive linemen the Bears have signed this offseason that has retired. Manny Ramirez retired in June after signing in March.
Roster update: #Bears place OL Nate Chandler on Reserve/Retired. pic.twitter.com/7mi9Azqd1k— Chicago Bears (@ChicagoBears) July 23, 2016
Chandler was expected to push Charles Leno for playing time at left tackle.
Amini Silatolu was signed by the Bears earlier this week to add more depth to the offensive line, but was thought to be more of a replacement for Ramirez at guard.
Chandler played collegiately at UCLA. He went undrafted, but signed with the Carolina Panthers and played in 37 games, with 19 starts, from 2012-2014. Due to a knee injury he was placed on injured reserve in 2015 and did not play.


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Talk:Sydney Technical High School
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- 1 discussion points, ideas and items for inclusion
- 2 Semi-protection
- 3 unreasonable reverts
- 4 Child labor, brick wall
- 5 valid semiprotections?
- 6 Alumni link
- 7 Value of the 84 link
- 8 In case of persistent vandalism...
- 9 How to ensure precise information on Sydney Tech High
- 10 Paintball Competition
- 11 Principals and Deputies
- 12 Fair use rationale for Image:SydTech.JPG
- 14 Article cleanup as per WP:WPSCH/AG
discussion points, ideas and items for inclusion[edit]
All Old Boys worth their tie-tags ought to know and remember Mr Booth, former Science Head Teacher, Prefect Advisor and all round good guy (and train fanatic). Having been with the school for a four decades and influenced generations of students it seems logical that there should be more information about him here (currently there is none).
More recent students may remember Mr Quill, would it be inappropriate to include a short reference to the prohibited weapons list, specifically, the whip joke? Discuss. (1000 words, 15% of final mark)
On a more serious and related note, Mr Quill once gave a speech about the origis of the motto 'Manners Maketh Man', the Tech version of Triple M ought to be expanded out, or at least linked to the appropriate page. Manners, in the original sense of the word, meant more than simply etiquette and this should be explained.
Going back a bit further, I specifically recall listening to an Old Boy recall the stairs at the original Ultimo school building and how the floors and stairs were all wooden and very creaky (was there a reference to this in the old school song lyrics?). I believe it would be a good idea to try and gather more information to fill out the history section of this article while we still have access to invaluable living memories.
Also, having been in the SRC and Interact, but not having been a prefect (my therapist says I am getting over it) I'd like to see people who have been members of other student bodies about the school contribute information about them.
There appears to be no mention of the possibly unique scheduling structure of the Sydney Tech day, namely, the 4 75-minute periods that make up each day, which is a striking contrast to the period structure of other DET schools.
Another point of discussion is how much cultural information should be preserved in this article, I think that this article should do more than just provide information on what the school is. By providing information on the culture, humour and people of Sydney Tech we can help people appreciate what made Tech special (or different, at least). So lets write up and structure everything in an informative manner and then tell them what those things actually meant to techies.
Finally, SGGHS doesn't have an article on Wikipedia as of this time. I need say no more.
--I 16:12, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
This page will be temporarily semi-protected as a measure against the latest rounds of vanity appearing on this page. enochlau (talk) 03:47, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Why was it vanity or vandalism? someone was only trying to put up what they thought was a notable ex-student. Kevin Tay wasn't a fake person Steven Fitter 13:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
In fact, my and others efforts were not vandalism. "Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism". Steven Fitter 00:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to know whether this enoch person went through the proper channels to semiprotect this article. I can't find mention of it on the appropriate page. It's usually quite hard to have an article semiprotected (e.g., constant vandalism is usually a prerequisite, and I can't see that here). Tony 07:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- "...this enoch person..." - is that how you address people in person? enochlau (talk) 12:20, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well no; I reserve that for people who appear to act unilaterally without discussion. Tony 12:49, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
unreasonable reverts[edit]
I don't know what you're on about, but you should stop reverting the insertion of a link that adds significant value to the article.
The pint-sized ego goes with being an administrator/janitor, does it? If you have objections, don't revert, please: discuss the issue HERE. Tony 07:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think it should be removed and I think you should refrain from the personal attack. Personally I think the link to an official alumni organization is sufficient, such as old scholars, but an arbitrary website by an arbitrary year level is not.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Why? Tony 07:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Because it is on a par with every other year to have passed through STHS, and there is no scope for 150 sites for old boys from each year.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 07:57, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- If the 150 links were all as informative and high quality as the 1984 one, we should be pleased to list them at the bottom. But there aren't 150 links, and there aren't 150 years of school history either—so what are you talking about? I presume that you're happy for the link to St George GHS to be removed, then. It's far less relevant than the link at issue. Any good reason for excluding it? Tony 08:05, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- Asked and answered. See numerous other submissions on this 'point'. --Andrew Jens
I think it's important that this be linked to from here: User_talk:Enochlau#Removal_of_Class_of_1984_external_link. See my comments about sock puppetry - it's getting ridiculous. Attacking people doesn't get you anywhere on Wikipedia, and really, it doesn't sway people to believe you. This link should be removed - the website basically amounts to a personal photo album.
Also: "I presume that you're happy for the link to St George GHS to be removed, then." - what link are you talking about? enochlau (talk) 11:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
What is personal about an album that contains pictures of people who were at the school during that period? I'd have thought it was a way of bringing to life what is otherwise a pretty boring—not to mention extremely poorly written—article.
Instead of fussing around semiprotecting and reverting, why don't you concentrate on improving the prose? Tony 13:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- The effort being put into blowing this issue out of proportion could have equally been spent on improving the article. I'd note that the insertion of the link was reverted only once. Moreover, semi-protection never came into play with regards to this issue – Enochlau protected the article in late May on a separate matter.--cj | talk 14:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- The supporter(s) of this link seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is (see User_talk:Enochlau#Removal_of_Class_of_1984_external_link): in that he(they) seem to think that Wikipedia is like a collection of personal webpages, where the alumni of a school (for example) are free to add whatever material they do, provided they don't violate certain rules. Just like you can put anything on your own Geocities page provided it doesn't have pr0n or other forbidden content.
- In fact, Wikipedia is nothing like that: it's an encyclopedia! which means contents have to matter to the wider reading public, *not* whoever happens to be associated with the contents of the article. --Sumple (Talk) 23:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- The people arguing in favour of the link have a vested interest in its inclusion, therefore they are not objective when considering what a random reader wants and expects from a high school article in WP. If Wikipedia was a Cabinet or company boardroom or a juror in a court case those people would have excused themselves from the discussion due to a conflict of interest. The class of 1984 website is fun, but only of interest to someone who went to the school. Anyone interested in stuff like that can find it from a search engine, although they probably would not know it existed in the first place unless a link was provided from a source such as WP. However the schools website can always link to the page in question negating any possible gross benefit to society. I am in favour of removing the link, but have no actual arguments to support my case, apart from the groundwork above. That said, having followed the discussion the arguments against inclusion so far have been much stronger than the arguments for inclusion. The onus of good argument falls on people in favour of inclusion and not on the people in favour of removal, that should be an obvious point. If you have a contentious sentence in Wikipedia you need to back it up with a source to assert its noteworthiness, here to assert the noteworthiness of a link good arguments are required in discussion. Grumpyyoungman01 00:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I cannot believe you just wrote: "The people arguing in favour of the link have a vested interest in its inclusion, therefore they are not objective when considering what a random reader wants and expects ...". You've just invalidated the justification for anyone ever entering anything into Wikipedia. Unless you're somehow considering all those authors who randomly want to make changes to sites they have no interest in at all? I'd say it would be absolutely necessary to have a 'vested interest' in order to make a worthwhile contribution. No doubt you've just read Douglas Adams' concept: "the only person who should be allowed to rule the universe is the person who doesn't want to".
- Can you guys just get off this "random reader" once and for all. Please repeat after me: "the readers that get to the Sydney Technical High School site are not 'random'". They have obviously got there after a relevant search or link. Please give those readers the benefit of the doubt that they are intelligent enough to figure out which external links they might want to click. Please stop thinking like robots or you'll turn Wikipedia into the Encycopedia Britannica. It can be at least that, but can also be a whole lot more.--Andrew Jens
To those people who didn't even go to STHS and want to prohibit linking to our reunion website (which has historical and contemporary information in the form of text and photos) can you also please remove the link from this page....
to this page....
as it sends the user to the historical and contemporary information dealing with the people who participated in the regiment. According to your ealier arguments, nobody is interested in that. And please do it for all similar pages throughout Wikipedia. If you choose not to remove it, can you please detail the difference between linking to an external site for the members of a regiment and linking to the external site for the members of a school. I see no difference, though no doubt you'll use some form of sophistry to justify yourselves. Captain Ploppy. (Don't know what that other junk is after your names! What's UTC?) -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Captain Ploppy (talk • contribs) .
- The fundamental difference is that http://www.508pir.org/ is the homepage of the 508th regiment, as it says on the front page. By contrast, the 1984 alumni page is an alumni page. We already have an external link to the school site.
- And again, the Wikipedia article is not your (or your school's) private webpage. Whether contents deserve to be on it is the judgment of all editors and readers, NOT that of the school's alumni and their friends. --Sumple (Talk) 04:06, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
You dill, there's no fundamental difference. I knew you'd say that. How about we chuck "official" on the alumni homepage. And don't kid yourself that up to the editors and readers, it's up to a small bunch of goggle-eyed, clique of nobodys with no life. Why would anyone become an editor for Wikipedia???? Don't you have anything better to do? Ban me if you like, only joined today, won't be joining to contribute. Couldn't give a toss. Oh and you'll probably delete this, the creatively-challenged and boring are pretty predictable. Captain Ploppy. Posted sometime Posted someplace. For sad, sad people.
Hi Enochlau. I read your comment about my post on User_talk:Enochlau#Removal_of_Class_of_1984_external_link. You are correct, this is the first time I've contributed to Wikipedia. However, that doesn't invalidate my comment, and I am surprised an admin with such experience as yourself would so quickly jump to the unfounded conclusion that I was a sock puppet. As I wrote before, you seem to have a basic misunderstanding about the site whose link was reverted by you. The site isn't simply a "home page" for the students of a particular year. It's a comprehensive database that contains information from almost a decade's worth of school experience. The site is detailed, well organised, and of interest to a much wider audience than a simple "home page" would be. The site includes information on teachers, information on major school events, and information scanned from an extensive range of school publications. All these are of interest to any student, past or present, of STHS. Rather than making false accusations about sock puppetry, please take the time to look at the site. The important matter is whether the site would be of interest to a visitor to the STHS wiki page, and after visiting the site I'm sure only pride would prevent you from agreeing that the answer to that question is an unqualified "yes". Winterelf 01:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
I added a sentence regarding a car being drowned in the pool during the 1990s although it was reverted out, why? I feel this piece of trivia is useful and adds to the article. I attended the school from 92 to 97 so I know first hand that there was a car in the pool for some time. comment was added by Toe2toe
- I think you've hit the nail on the head. It's trivia. A whole bunch of trivia does not make an encyclopedia article. enochlau (talk) 14:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Enoch. It is a piece of trivia, and very much so. We should aim to add serious information to the article, rather than overload with anecodtes and pranks.Blnguyen | rant-line 01:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
Child labor, brick wall[edit]
Could an Old boy please add some information about the construction on that magnificent brick wall as featured in the photograph? Grumpyyoungman01 01:21, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
valid semiprotections?[edit]
Enochlau, you haven't yet specified the reasons for your unilateral action in semiprotecting this article. I note that this has occurred more than once.
Did you go through the correct channels? Please provide a link so that we can inspect them; I can't locate reference to this article on the protection page, either current or archived.
We need to know that you're not abusing the correct processes of WP.
Tony 03:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- I did notice that you temporarily addressed Enoch as "echidna" - please desist, editing WP is a privilege not a right. If you abuse it by attacking other contributors they will be withdrawn.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 03:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, get a life, dude. It was a mistake, which I corrected. Chill out. Tony 03:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Really? I noticed on cj's page as well. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 04:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC).
- In case you haven't noticed, the semi-protection rationale has been stated above. enochlau (talk) 05:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- What, "latest rounds of vanity"? No, I mean the stated criterion. Was the semiprotection listed properly at the time? I tried to have an article that was being vandalised daily semiprotected, and was refused ("not frequent enough" was the response). I'd like to see the process: please provide a link. Tony 06:02, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Alumni link[edit]
There's been alot of arguing about the addition and removal of the link to that alumni page, I thought that instead of saying why it shouldn't be added, I would say a little bit about what the link would need to be in order for its inclusion to be justified. I think there are a range of situations in which an external link to an alumni organisation would be justified:
- If the organisation was the school's official alumni organisation (which in this case, is actually this site);
- If the organisation had done something notable on their own, other than simply existing as a group of alumni;
- If any of the "famous alumni" listed were an active part of that organisation.
There may of course be other, similar reasons.
Of course, if there is verifiable information on the site, then that should be incorporated in the article, but in that case it should be linked to as a reference and not as an external link, and the link should go directly to the page that the information is on, and not to the home page. --bainer (talk) 09:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks Bainer, for a voice of reason in this debate. Thank you also for your civility, which has been disappointingly lacking from the administrator who reverted the link. In my opinion, we should examine the Wikipedia policy for external links. I'll examine two sections of this policy in detail: What should be linked to and Links to normally avoid. That's not to say the other sections of the policy don't apply. They do, but these two sections are the heart of what should be deemed an appropriate external link.
|What should be linked to
|1. Articles about any organization, person, or other entity should link to their official site, if they have one.
|Site does not qualify.
|2. Sites that have been used as references in the creation of an article should be linked to in a references section, not in external links. See Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Citing sources.
|Not applicable.
|3. An article about a book, a musical score, a webcomic, a web site, or some other media, should link to the actual book, musical score, etc. if possible.
|Not applicable.
|4. On articles with multiple points of view, a link to prominent sites dedicated to each, with a detailed explanation of each link. The number of links dedicated to one point of view should not overwhelm the number dedicated to any other. One should attempt to add comments to these links informing the reader of their point of view. If one point of view dominates informed opinion, that should be represented first. (For more information, see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view – in particular, Wikipedia's guidelines on undue weight.)
|Not applicable.
|5. Sites that contain neutral and accurate material not already in the article. Ideally this content should be integrated into the Wikipedia article, then the link would remain as a reference, but in some cases this is not possible for copyright reasons or because the site has a level of detail which is inappropriate for the Wikipedia article.
|Site qualifies. The material on the site in question is neutral, accurate, and extensive. The level of detail is such that it is inappropriate to include the information directly into the Wikipedia article.
|6. Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as textbooks or reviews.
|Site does not qualify.
|Links to normally avoid
|1. Any site that contains factually inaccurate material or unverified original research, unless it is the official site of the article's subject or it is a notable proponent of a point of view in an article with multiple points of view. (See Wikipedia:Reliable sources for further information on this guideline.)
|Does not apply to the site, since it provides information tracable to school publications.
|2. In general, any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article here would have once it becomes an example of brilliant prose.
|Does not apply to the site, since it contains information that is far more detailed than ever likely to be incorporated into Wikipedia.
|3. Links that are added to promote a site. See External link spamming.
|Does not apply to the site, since it serves only to provide information.
|4. Sites that primarily exist to sell products or services.
|Does not apply to the site.
|5. Sites with objectionable amounts of advertising.
|Does not apply to the site.
|6. Sites that require payment to view the relevant content.
|Does not apply to the site.
|7. Sites that are inaccessible to a significant proportion of the online community (for example, sites that only work with a specific brand of browser).
|Does not apply to the site.
|8. Sites that require external applications (such as Flash or Java) to view the relevant content unless (1) it is the official site of the subject of the article, (2) the article is about those media, or (3) the site is being cited as a reference.
|Does not apply to the site.
|9. Foreign-language sites, unless it is the official site of the subject of the article or it contains visual aids such as maps, diagrams, or tables. (See WP:MOS-L for further information on this guideline.)
|Does not apply to the site.
|10. Bookstore sites, instead use the "ISBN" linking format which gives readers an opportunity to search a wide variety of free and non-free book sources.
|Does not apply to the site.
|11. A website that you own or maintain (unless it is the official site of the subject of the article). If it is relevant and informative, mention it as a possible link on the talk page and wait for someone else to include it, or include the information directly in the article.
|Does not apply to the site. (I am not actually involved with the site).
|12. Blogs, social networking sites (such as MySpace) and forums should generally not be linked to. Although there are exceptions, such as when the article is about, or closely related to, the website itself, or if the website is of particularly high standard.
|Does not apply to the site.
So, on the basis of this analysis, I come to the conclusion that the external link to the site satisfies all Wikipedia criteria for inclusion. I see no justification for removing the link. Winterelf 12:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Please clarify, in relation to part 2 point 1, what you mean by "Does not apply to the site, since it provides information tracable to school publications.". Does the site only contain information from school publications, and no original research? Is such information not available on the school's official site, or the alumni association's official site?
- In addition, the neutrality policy would suggest that whether the link is added or not should be decided by neutral editors who are not direct participants of, or affiliated with, the site concerned.
- Also, the 1984 alumni page does not appear to be linked from the official alumni association site. --Sumple (Talk) 12:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Sumple. Thanks for your comments. I think we're making progress!
- With respect to tracable/original research, let me first examine Wikipedia itself as an example. Wikipedia itself cannot guarantee that all information in the database is verifiable. It is Wikipedia policy that the database should not contain original research. However, it is clear that some articles may still do so. It is also clear that some other pages of Wikipedia (eg: talk pages, user pages) almost definitely contain original research (ie: unverifiable claims). So, the presence or absence of original research is not the real issue. The issue is whether there is a clear distinction between verifiable information and original research. Using Wikipedia as an example again, it is clear that information contained in user or talk pages may not satisfy Wikipedia's own policy regarding verifiability, and therefore any reader will not give such information as much credence as information contained on well-reviewed article pages. In the case of the site in question, I believe that it contains both tracable information (eg: scans from school publications) and attributed opinion (eg: personal anecdotes, etc), and that there is a clear distinction between the two.
- With repsect to the availability of the information, I believe that, no, the information is not available anywhere else.
- With respect to neutrality, I agree with you completely. On this point, I would like to point out that Wikipedia policy for neutrality would imply that the decision to include or exclude a link should be done on a case-by-case basis, by objectively evaluating the worth of each link. The exclusion of a link simply because it is an "alumni" link is, in itself, biased. The assessment should be based on the content of the site. With regard to the site itself, I think it is clear that it is an "alumni" site, and therefore any visitor would expect and understand that information is presented from an alumnus POV. That is to say, the school publications mentioned earlier are unlikely to be completely neutral in terms of their assessment or presentation of the school, since they are likely to portray the school in a good light, in order to keep the parents happy. Similarly, recollections gathered on the site are personal opinion, and necessarily do not have a "neutral" POV.
- With repect to a cross-link from any other site, I do not think this is relevant. There many be any number of reasons why two websites are not cross-linked, and this does not change the worth of the information contained on the site. The Wikipedia policy has no such requirement for cross-linking. Once again, we must be careful to objectively assess the worth of the site, rather than allowing our thinking to be biased by preconceptions of what an "alumni" site might or should be. Winterelf 00:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Looks like the Fort Street Triads are at it again —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 22.214.171.124 (talk • contribs) .
- Is that an allegation of organized criminal activity on the part of Enoch and Sumple???Blnguyen | rant-line 05:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Ad hominem comes into my mind. enochlau (talk) 05:51, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Winterelf, having examined the website in more detail, here are my concerns:
- 1. From the point of view of Wikipedia-relevance, the website seems to be in two parts: photos to do with the school, which can be encyclopaedic, and photos to do specifically with the "class of 1984" and their activities, which would not appear to be encyclopaedic (except maybe in a very remote sense of having sociological value with regard to 1980s society).
- 2. The section which may have value is very small compared to the section which does not have value (in the encyclopaedic sense). In fact, the website information claims that its contents are "relevant to Sydney Technical High School students who attended: year 7 in 1979, and/or year 8 in 1980, and/or year 9 in 1981, and/or year 10 in 1982, and/or year 11 in 1983, and/or year 12 in 1984."
- 3. A casual reader who enters that website will (rightly) feel that the website is designed by and/or for former students. This is especialy so because of the scrolling marquee right on the front page about reunions.
- So, basically, my concern is that, while there is encyclopaedic information on this website, the larger part of the website is devoted to the fond (personal) memories of the alumni concerned, and a photographic record of their activities - material which is not really encyclopaedic. Any website would have some relevant information. Does this site have enough to qualify as a relevant external link? --Sumple (Talk) 09:16, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- As I said above, if there is verifiable information on the site, then that should be incorporated in the article, but in that case it should be linked to as a reference and not as an external link, and the link should go directly to the page that the information is on, and not to the home page. --bainer (talk) 09:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- I think this is a reasoanble approach. For the record, this link is this: http://sths84.aus.cc/ enochlau (talk) 12:40, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Andrew, please stop adding the link. If you even took notice of the discussion here, you would have seen that the link is unwanted. We will now work to seeing what contents of the site can be included directly in the article. enochlau (talk) 13:43, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- In particular, you should not add that link, as you are the webmaster of the site [1] - see above for Winterelf's table on what links you cannot add. enochlau (talk) 13:45, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Value of the 84 link[edit]
I read with interest the discussion about the removal of a link to the class of '84 website from the WP articla on Sydney Technical High School. First let me declare my interest as Senior Prefect 1984. The desire to remove the link seems to stem from the claim that it is "unencyclopedic", and could only have interest to those of us who attended at that time. Jens suggests that it should stay as it doesn't contravene any WP rules and in no way affects the flow of the WP article. An apparently neutral contributor to this page felt that the onus should be on those who wish to include it to extol its virtues, but also that (despite the frayed tempers and regrettable incivilities) they currently had the stronger arguments.
Having recently studied the 84 site, I would like to speak in favour of its re-inclusion: There is an impressive array of verifiable information about the school and its history which is in now way specific to the class of 84. In five minutes I viewed a photo of the Sir Charles Kingsford Smith Memorial (which resides in the auditorium foyer), letters from two Australian Prime Ministers (Sir Robert Menzies and John Gorton), an article from former School Captain and Olympic swimmer John Konrads (not from anywhere near 1984), a photograph of the very first teachers of the school in 1911, a list of every teacher who had ever worked at the school up until 1985 (including positions held). The accuracy of these are all verifiable from the school journals and the newletter "Tech Talk". I could see none of this information in 30 minutes of searching the official school website (which is linked to the WP article). I'm sure that there is much more that I didn't have time to look at, but I want to show that the Jens link is much more than a collection of 1984 memorabilia. My view is that the link stands out because it such a detailed piece of work in a narrow field of interest. I'd like to be able to have this level of detail available in any search, as long as it doesn't get in the way of more general searches.
With respect to the Neutral Point Of View policy, I would think that links such as the official Sydney Tech school website have a bigger problem here than the 84 link, as the school site has an ongoing mission to promote the school, trumpeting it's highs and sweeping its lows under the carpet. As a school teacher myself, I place a great value on the impression of the students as to the quality of a school. Since no-one has felt the need even to warn against propaganda from the official school site, I think that it is quite inconsistent to completely remove all mention of an alternative site that has much work that is verifiable, contains many images of general historical value which are not included on the school site, and is written from a NPOV. Granted the site also contains much that would normally be of interest to a select few; I don't know whether this make the link unencyclopedic - I would like to hear the view of others, and think it reasonable that Tech High boys (I was never called a "Techie" - perhaps I should edit the WP article?) should declare their hand.
Rhysw 05:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
- I must say I have previously experienced enochlau's propensity to remove/add semi protection willy nilly without consultation or proper discussion. I genuinely (but admittedly mistakenly) tried to update the STHS page with what I thought was a notable person. Enochlau decided to semi-protect without consultation. I fear that he rules Wikipedia to his own personal preferences and agenda rather than the consensus approach that is central to Wikipedia. 126.96.36.199 07:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
As I mentioned over there, I've realized that I should have provided a link to the Mediation Cabal, and in particular to the case discussion page on this issue. Luna Santin 08:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
If anyone is interested, the page in question is now reached by the following link: sths84.reminisced.com. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 06:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
In case of persistent vandalism...[edit]
Feel free to call in this old boy (and Wikipedia:Administrator) to hand out some "justice" = P
Andrew Lau
(class of 2000)
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How to ensure precise information on Sydney Tech High[edit]
I have noticed many people editing this the Sydney Technical High School article, and getting all the information wrong. why not use a reliable source of information, a student or teacher, as they will know exactly what is happening in Sydney Tech. If any editing is done, make sure you have check that the information is corrected by a student or teacher of Sydney Tech, like me Efansay 10:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- That's all nice and good but to be even better, everything should be referenced: WP:VERIFY. enochlau (talk) 12:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
What if there isn't a published source, even if the information is valid. Efansay talk 10:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC) Strike that. I forgot about the school's website itself.Efansay talk 10:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Paintball Competition[edit]
Hey fellas, I just graduated last year from Tech. Just thought I should post up that at the end of the year we have a 20 v 20 paintball match against Homebush Boys and we won't let you down.
Oh and.. Does anyone here work for an accounting or Investment banking firm? I'm looking for a job. :P
If your competitors get to me first you;ll be sorry.
Principals and Deputies[edit]
Just a note that the school has a new principal, Mrs Lyons, as of term 3. This means that the deputies return to Mr Dando and Mr McNaught. I shall be making the change now, just for reference. ☺EfansayT/C☺ 01:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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there are a lot of NPOV issues. e.g."ranks consistently high in the hsc". i've removed this--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 15:02, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Article cleanup as per WP:WPSCH/AG[edit]
I'll come back to this from time to time to list my cleanups and the reasons why
As much as Wikipedia appreciates your despair at your unsuccessful swimming pool, this information is unnecessary. The swimming pool is gone, therefore no longer part of the facilities. Similarly, a 'quadrangle' is kind of a standard in every school and is thus not counted as a facility either.
- Prefect and Executive positions are mentioned later in the article - and besides, they are not extra-curricular
- School intranet team is gone - you cannot postpone the deletion of material until the material's truth comes back. If it comes back, you can put it on here
- All schools have a peer support program
- "*Writers in Residence - A ten week course, held annually, in which a professional writer helps to hone students' writing skills, temporarily cancelled due to lack of participants." - self-explanatory
- everyone has the ANU maths day
no need to divide up into season, time of week, time of day etc.
removed when the prefects have tea and inner etc. - self explanatory
every school has an SRC so please do not detail the voting process or the number of students etc.
--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 01:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
I Think you'll find buddy there is still a pool, which is in the school grounds and it is not gone and therefore it is a facilities. Ill leave it at that actually :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
- From the previous information on the article, it was implied that there was no swimming pool. However, if you want to edit the article to include this information, you may - on one condition. Cite a source. I'll leave it at that.--Welcome to the dark side. (talk) 14:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
- The school pool was actually recently filled and covered with turf. It's finally gone after falling into disuse for several years. It should also be worth noting that the school's Centenary is this year. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubik's Maniac (talk • contribs) 14:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
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I'm trying not to be sad, but with the arrival of Labor Day comes the inevitable end of Summer. To keep my spirits up, I'm crafting the ultimate Labor Day party menu. It's full of Summer's best ingredients. To start, I recommend a surf-inspired decadent and gooey seafood dip. For the main course, burgers, specifically double cheeseburgers seasoned with smoky cheddar, fruity chutney, and peppery arugula. On the side? Classic sour cream potato salad that's full of green onions and crisp bacon and a fun take on the regular caprese salad: roasted tomato and mozzarella "burgers." Doesn't this sound like an amazing meal?! Get the recipes after the break.
From Paula Deen 2 tablespoons butter Makes 4 cups. 1 egg, lightly beaten Serves 4. From Everyday Food 2 pounds white new potatoes, quartered and cut into 3/4-inch chunks Serves 4. From Real Simple 6 large ripe tomatoes (about 2 1/2 pounds) Serves 6.
Seafood Dip
1 medium green bell pepper, diced
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So will DC still give +8% mitigations per target with the legacy?
+80% mits O.O
If you are failing doing any of the Big Battles solo, I would recommend doing them duo.
Where are you failing specifically?
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Additionally, what is the general feeling about lightning vs fire?
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PHOENIX -- The Arizona Diamondbacks rounded out their
preliminary rotation for 2004 Tuesday, signing right-handers Shane Reynolds and Steve Sparks to one-year contracts.
The two were the club's final additions to the 40-man major
league roster.
"A general rule in baseball is that you can never accumulate
too much pitching, and any time you can add veterans like Shane and
Steve, it can only make you better," Diamondbacks general manager
Joe Garagiola Jr. said.
Reynolds, 36, received a $1 million contract, with the potential
for another $750,000 in performance bonuses. Sparks, a 38-year-old
knuckleballer, got $500,000 plus $125,000 in performance bonuses.
They were expected to replace Curt Schilling, traded to the
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are fortunate to possess several pitchers who will be valuable
elements to our staff, not only next year but in the future,"
Garagiola said. "With that said, Shane and Steve bring nearly
3,000 innings of major league experience to our ball club."
Reynolds, a National League All-Star in 2000, was 11-9 last
season with Atlanta. He had a 5.43 ERA in 30 appearances (29
starts), finishing with a career mark of 114-95 with a 4.09 ERA. He
spent 11 years with Houston after the Astros drafted him in the
third round in 1989, and starred for them in 1998, when he had a
19-8 record and 3.51 ERA.
Sparks was a career-long starter until Detroit and Oakland used
him exclusively in relief last year.
He made 42 appearances for the Tigers, going 0-6 with two saves,
before he was released. He signed with the Athletics on Aug. 30 and
appeared in nine games for the AL West champions.
Sparks made his first career postseason appearance in Game 4 of
the AL Division Series against Boston.
He is 56-69 lifetime after spending three years with Milwaukee,
followed by two seasons in Anaheim before joining Detroit in 2000.
His top season was 2001, when he went 14-9 with a 3.65 ERA and
had an AL-high eight complete games.


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