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Who wants to buy a piece of Citi Field history?!
I've no issue with nostalgia, or collecting memorabilia to remind someone of days past. A ball, a bat, a dirtied base that gives a memory of a treasured play, game or team -- I'm in.
It doesn't even have to be a great team or player. I myself own a Ramon Castro nameplate from Shea Stadium. I own multiple Jeromy Burnitz rookie cards. (I do not accept the verdict of the Hall of Fame voters -- zero votes -- as final.)
But I am at an utter loss considering who will want to bid $1,000 for a piece of Citi Field's left field wall.
This is not Shea Stadium, home to many bad years, but also a number of delightfully fantastic ones. This purchase says: I want to pay $1,000 to help remember the 2009-11 Mets.
In 2009, the Mets saw 20 of their 25 players on the Opening Day roster ultimately spend time on the disabled list. Who could wish to return to that season, other than doctors? The 2010 Mets finished 70-92, thanks to a three-game sweep of the Astros to end the season. Nelson Figueroa pitched a shutout on the final day; is he the target audience here? The 2011 Mets played with the financial reckoning of their owners hanging over them, and star shortstop Jose Reyes departed for the last time before the final game was an inning old. As Dean Martin would put it, memories are not made of this.
It can't be the wall itself, either. Left field has been the place where Mets home runs became doubles. It has reduced the production and confidence of the greatest remaining Met, David Wright. It is the wall that has stood behind Jason Bay as Mets fans ruefully contemplated how much longer his massive contract would run.
Even the stadium itself provides reminders, with its name, of a bailed-out enterprise, while the roughly $600 million ownership still owes on the stadium has helped precipitate the need for another bailout. Need I remind you, the stadium is not yet four years old.
So thanks, but no thanks, to the $1,000 price tag to remember, always, these last three years. I have every confidence that Citi Field will eventually mean a whole lot more to me. But for now, I can simply represent these years by posting a crudely drawn picture on my wall of an injured Met, his empty pockets turned out. Every time I look at it, the 2009-11 New York Mets will come rushing back to me. And I saved a thousand bucks in the process.


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You can add your new listings here and brag, shout, flaunt and advertise here.
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isn't that cool?
Here is my old/new pillow cover that I just re-listed.
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Please refer to the new thread for NEW listings.
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The Islamist Who Runs Turkey, Delicately
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THE DAY ERBAKAN WAS BORN, OCT. 29, 1926, was the third anniversary of the founding of the Turkish Republic by the secular hero Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. In Ataturk's Turkey, women were discouraged from wearing veils or head scarves, men were not to wear the fez and religion was to have no influence in public life. Muslim sects were banned, Latin script replaced by Arabic and Turks were urged to look toward Europe rather than Asia for inspiration.
In his youth, Erbakan seemed to embrace Ataturk's new order. He studied engineering, won a doctorate at Aachen Technical University in Germany and returned home to open an engine factory. A few years later he became head of a small-business lobby and discovered that he had a talent for politics. He began giving speeches condemning corruption and defending the rights of the little guy. When he added a religious component, he hit upon a successful formula.
After winning a seat in Parliament in 1969, Erbakan formed his own political party and began campaigning for a revival of Islamic values. Barely a year later the Constitutional Court condemned his party as anti-secular and ordered it dissolved. He renamed it, altered its charter and his rhetoric to make it acceptable and started over. By the mid-1970's he controlled enough seats in Parliament to emerge as a kingmaker. Joining first with leftists and then with rightists, he served as Deputy Prime Minister for a total of nearly four years.
In the two decades since then, Erbakan has built his Welfare Party into the only true grass-roots political organization Turkey has ever known -- four million strong, with 80,000 new members each month, Erbakan claims. Like other Islamist parties in the Middle East, it relies on volunteers who work all year long, especially in poor neighborhoods, feeding the hungry, helping people find homes and jobs and, not coincidentally, harvesting thousands of votes.
By 1995 many Turks had begun to associate Welfare with honesty and clean streets more than fundamentalism. In the autumn election, Erbakan barnstormed the country, spending hours after rallies kissing babies and listening to private complaints. More voters than ever decided to take a chance on him, and Welfare finished first with 21.4 percent of the vote, even though only 10 percent of the population identify themselves as Islamists.
After several months of maneuvering, Erbakan struck an odorous deal with the former Prime Minister, Tansu Ciller, who during the campaign had attacked him and his followers as ''fundamentalists bent on dragging the country back to the Dark Ages.'' In exchange for her support, Erbakan agreed to shield her from parliamentary investigations into alleged corruption. He became Prime Minister while she took the portfolios of Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister. They agreed to change places in 1998, but not everyone is sure it will work out that way.
Erbakan won the election not by exploiting any latent desire for Islamic rule in Turkey but by becoming a credible alternative to the ossified political elite. After waves of scandal, including a new one implicating officials of past governments in murder and drug smuggling, Turks are thirsting for moral leadership. Many believe that only Erbakan offers it.
''People are looking for a leader who believes in something,'' says Semra Galip, a sociologist at Galatasaray University in Istanbul. ''Erbakan is the only one who introduces ideas, the only one with a program. He is a reaction to the end of ideology in Turkey.''
THE WELFARE PARTY'S AUTUMN CONVENTION, its first since coming to power, looked very different from its past gatherings. Where once the walls were draped with banners honoring radical Muslim movements, Hamas martyrs and Iranian ayatollahs, this time only the Turkish flag could be seen, and the only portrait was Ataturk's.
The party faithful, many of whom consider Erbakan a miracle worker for having led Welfare to power, erupted when he appeared, cheering wildly and chanting, ''You are the commander! We are your army!'' It took him nearly an hour to make his way through the throng, and when he finally began to speak, the delegates applauded everything he said. They clapped when he swore friendship for the United States and Europe, and even when he described Welfare as ''the guarantor of secular rule'' in Turkey.
But at one point, after he declared that Turkey was ''not changing direction or anything like that,'' a handful of unhappy delegates began chanting ''God is great,'' a slogan of militant Islam. Erbakan stopped speaking, pointed at them and sternly warned: ''Do not let yourselves be provoked!'' The chanting stopped immediately, and there were no further disruptions.
As a campaigner Erbakan had pledged to expel American troops flying surveillance missions over northern Iraq, but they are still at their bases. He said he wanted military and industrial cooperation with Iran but dropped the idea after his generals protested. For years he demonized Israel, but today Israeli warplanes practice maneuvers in Turkish airspace while Israeli military technicians upgrade Turkish fighters.
''Contrary to all our fears and concerns,'' the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, recently told a Turkish interviewer, ''today we are very pleased with Mr. Erbakan's Government.''


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TVH Weekly: Dallas Crawford, Chris Wormley, Kevin Sousa
This weekly update is brought to you late by CMU's homecoming. Here's a look at a few recruits that I caught up with after the Iowa visit weekend. I'll pass along more info as I start to catch up.
Dallas Crawford
5'10", 185 lbs.
Fort Myers, Florida
Dallas has dreadlocks, so he's ok by me. He's also very interested in Michigan, so much so that this past visit vaulted the Wolverines into the top spot. I was under the assumption that Michigan had been leading anyway, but this visit may have pushed it over the top for him. Every time he comes up to Ann Arbor he seems to be more and more comfortable with the surroundings and coaches.
Crawford was on the trip with highly touted teammate WR Sammy Watkins. Watkins has always listed Miami as one of his top schools, and often throws in Michigan and Clemson. There seems to be some problems up at Miami now, rumors that freshman safety Latwan Anderson is going to transfer along with what maybe two or three more young players. Miami also recently lost 2011 commit WR Eli Rogers, and while this isn't confirmed I've heard that they have some work to do to keep 2011 QB commit Teddy Bridgewater.
Just something to keep an eye on. If Miami continues to play poorly and starts to lose players and commitments, it may help Michigan's case. It also helps that his teammate is in his ear about joining him. They will both be back up for official visits around December. I'm more and more optimistic about Watkins as the time passes. Two unofficial visits to Michigan signal major interest.
Chris Wormley
6'4", 255 lbs.
Defensive End
Toledo, Ohio
Wormley is an important piece to the 2012 class on the defensive side of the ball. Michigan fans have been anxious about defensive recruiting, but the 2012 class could restock Michigan's depth chart in a big way. Early on I had reported that Ohio State was in the lead because of the attention he was getting from them, but that may have changed.
The game was good, besides the loss. Michigan has been moving up, they're up there right now. They just offered me too.
He likes to keep things close to the vest, but the word on the street now is that Michigan is the team to beat, and it may be pretty hard to beat them. [Ed.: The generally plugged Buckeye Planet mods are saying it's likely M, FWIW.]
Michigan has offered Wormley, as he said, which is a step in the right direction. He said that it feels good to have the offer, but he's probably not going to be making any decisions any time soon. Wormley will be one of the best players out of Ohio, and should be in the 4-5 star range when the rankings come out for 2012.
Kevin Sousa
6'2", 213 lbs.
Lake Nona, Florida
Michigan's quarterback commit was in Ann Arbor for his first game, and really enjoyed seeing the atmosphere. Sousa has only been playing football for a few years, so hasn't been too sure how he stacks up, or how well he's prepared for the next level. His coach told me that meeting Michigan's quarterbacks gave him a better glimpse of his potential:
The game experience was great, and Kevin enjoyed the excitement and everything. Sousa finally realized how gifted he is physically after meeting each quarterback and seeing their performance in the weight room. I just hope they show him the interest they should because he's a steal.
I've mentioned the last bit before, but it seems like there may be a lack of communication going on. I'm not going to speculate on the reasoning behind that, for obvious reasons. We'll see how it plays out.
- It looks like the Illinois game will now be the date for the big Dr. Phillips visit. So far commit Demetrius Hart, S Roderick Ryles, WR Chris Gallon, and QB Nick Patti are scheduled to be there. If Ha'Sean Clinton-Dix shows up, then his recruitment might get interesting.
- DT Kevin McReynolds (6'2", 280 lbs, 4 Star) is now interested in Michigan. He spoke with the coaches last week, and said he would like to make it up for a visit. Here's his junior film, and a video of how he currently trains. Michigan coaches will be at his school on Friday, so it sounds like they're turning up the heat on Kevin.
- [Ed.: A newspaper article indicates CB Greg Brown was scheduled to be at Syracuse this weekend. That might be an indication the two parties are looking to go separate ways.]
Interesting Article on 2012 Recruit Chris Wormley
The Toledo Blade has an article on the two Toledo Whitmer DE going to Div. 1 schools. kenny Hayes is committed to tOSU and 2012 Recruit Chris Wormley. Although this quote is a little unsettling:
"It would be nice and I would say there's a good chance," Wormley said of joining Hayes as a Buckeye. "But I'm still looking at all my options and hopefully I'll figure out the right thing for me."
I hope he goes Blue.
TomVH: Chris Wormley Update
2012 DE Chris Wormley has already become a fan favorite, and has been added to everyone's wish list for the '12 recruiting class. He was in the Big House today for the game, and told me he enjoyed himself. "It was good, I talked to the coaches a little bit about things," he said. The hot topic with Wormley was that although he's a Michigan fan, Ohio State currently leads because they were showing him the most "love."
Now that September 1st has passed, and the coaches are allowed to make more contact with him, they're making every effort to do so. "The coaches told me how much they want me. I want them to keep doing that, and just make me feel better about them," said Chris. It seems that time and more communication can cure that, which the coaches will continue to do.
I asked him if this visit, and the win, helped Michigan's chances at all. He said, "Yeah, a little." Chris likes to play it close to the vest, but I think this was a step in the right direction for him. The coaches invited him to the game, and will be able to now show him more "love."
TomVH: RE: Chris Wormley Visit
I've gotten a few emails and some DM's on Twitter about a dispute with whether or not Chris Wormley was at fan day yesterday, or not.
There's no debate here, I talked to Chris today on the phone, and when I asked him if he made it to fan day yesterday he said, "Yes, I was there. It was ok." He went with a friend and her family.
If anyone disputing me on other sites would like to pick up a phone and call him, they would find out the same information.
If a recruit who's a fan of a school goes to their fan day, he doesn't need to inform anyone that he's coming. He was there, end of story.
I tweeted the following on this subject:
1.) Michigan Fans keep an eye out for 2012 Ohio DE Chris Wormley tomorrow at fan day. He'll be there.
2.) To answer everyone's question, 2012 DE Chris Wormley was at Michigan's fan day yesterday.
TomVH: Chris Wormley Update
I shared this on my Twitter page, but for everyone living in 1998 I thought I'd mention it here, too.
2012 Ohio DE Chris Wormley will be at Michigan's fan day tomorrow. He doesn't think he'll be at the U Conn game though.
As noted before with Chris, Ohio State has shown him
illegal amounts a lot of attention so far, so they're in the lead. I talked to him tonight and he had this to say about the situation.
Ohio State has shown me the most love so far, so they lead. Anything can happen in two years though. I'm probably going to wait until my signing day, so I still have a long time to go. I still root for Michigan on Saturdays, and I'm a fan of them, so we'll see.
We will see indeed.
TomVH: Recruiting Potent Potables 5/5
Updates for the week of 5/5:
Jajuan Story
6'3, 190 lbs.
Wide Receiver
Brooksville, FL
Jajuan recently told me that Michigan is in his early top ten. It's pretty early for him, so he doesn't have anything official yet. When asked if he was going to try to visit Michigan, this was his response.
"I definitely want to try to make it up to Michigan. I might have to use an official to get up there. I like them, though, so we'll see."
As always, the video of good plays:
Kevin McReynolds
6'2, 281 lbs.
Defensive Tackle
Washington, D.C.
McReynolds is easily one of the top defensive tackles in the country, and has to be one of the hardest working prospects. He has over 19 offers, and I would expect that list to continue to grow. Although Michigan has not offered yet, they were in town to see Kevin practice today, as you can see by his tweet below.
just workout for USC , Kansas State and Michigan .
Michigan will most likely offer McReynolds soon, and I have a feeling that they would receive a visit from the DC native. He had previously told me that if Michigan offers, they would be a school to make his list.
Ryan Griffin
5'9, 170 lbs.
Safety, Corner
Ypsilanti, MI
Ryan is right in Michigan's backyard, but there must be a tall fence, because he hasn't heard too much from his neighbors. Griffin told me that he's starting to hear a lot from some big name schools like Tennessee, Alabama, Nebraska, Wisonsin, UCLA, and others. Despite having any offers yet, his recruitment should start picking up soon.
"I plan on traveling with Raw Talent this summer, which I think has Michigan on the schedule. If my schedule allows me to go to one of their one day camps, then I will."
Raw Talent is a group that travels to various camps on the east and west coast, and is based out of Ohio. Doran Grant will be another member of the Raw Talent group. His highlight video can be seen here.
Chris Wormley
6'4, 225 lbs.
Defensive End
Toledo, OH
Wormley is a prospect for the 2012 class, but is already being talked about as one of the best players in Ohio. His size is an instant standout, since he's only a sophomore. I asked Chris about his feelings towards Michigan, and here's his response.
"Michigan is my favorite right now, definitely. There are some other schools like Ohio State and Cincinnati that have been staying in touch. I'd like to hear more from Michigan soon. I think I'll probably end up at Michigan, but those other schools could make a push."
It's probably going to be a little while before we hear anything new, but Wormley is one to keep an eye on.
Giorgio Newberry
6'6, 255 lbs.
Defensive End/Tackle
Fort Pierce, FL
Giorgio is one of the better defensive line prospects out there, and he's also being recruited by some schools for offensive line. His versatility makes him special, but his size makes everything come together for him. With the height and weight he carries, Newberry still reports a 4.7 time in the 40. Good news here is that Rod Smith will be at Fort Pierce to watch Giorgio practice on Friday. Michigan is recruiting Newberry for the defensive side of the ball, but would obviously let him play where ever he fits best. It's too early for top lists, but he told me that he has definite interest in Michigan. His film is inside this link.
Nick Waisome
5'10, 171 lbs.
Groveland, FL
Nick Waisome has offers from pretty much everywhere, including Arizona, Florida, Arkansas, Florida State, North Carolina, and Stanford among others. Waisome received a visit from Coach Rod Smith today. Not only does Nick have ideal size, but he also boasts a blazing 40 time of 4.44. I asked Nick if he was going to make a visit up to Michigan, and he said he thinks he will, but he's not sure. It's difficult for the prospects from Florida to commit to a trip, because of cost and time. He hasn't been talked about a lot here, but we might hear his name more. I have a feeling he might stick close to home, but here's his highlight tape, as well.


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What the?!Posted: Jan 14, 2009 12:00AM PST by EpicWoWGold
You can possibly die playing straight for several days unless you have a serious disease. I feel like dying whenever I grind for wow gold at least not literally. My condolonces Snowly.
Well..Posted: Jan 28, 2006 12:00AM PST by raidprincess
I agree with mistergrimm... There has to be more to the story than what the article says... I don't see how without any precedent that death could have happened....with the only factor being the fact that she/he, 10 or 50, was playing WoW... I could see them specifying a real cause of death (i.e malnutrition, exhaustion, heart attack)....but not "died of playing Video Games for a very long time"... It was nice of them to honor her/him though... and Death is something not to be taken lightly no matter the cause...
well said, SilverCryPosted: Jan 24, 2006 12:00AM PST by azgibsongirl
and the image is oddly touching.
who/what/why/when/how?Posted: Jan 23, 2006 12:00AM PST by mistergrimm
Is the information that is actually pertinent to the cause of her(his?) death simply unknown or being firewalled by chinese government? Why aren't news organizations questioning the facts or trying to find out the truth? Oh ha yeah I forgot the media is biased and lazy. If the cause of death of this gamer is solely related to playing WoW then there is obviously self negligence to the point of a suicidial lack of upkeep of his/her own body OR if it is to be believed this person was teen-aged then the parents were completely oblivious or uncaring to monitor the proper care of their child. Of course none of this matters when there are simply no facts being presented save for an online funeral, but that is completely unimportant when it was held without even knowning who the person is or the circumstance of their death.
I concur with SilvercryPosted: Jan 21, 2006 12:00AM PST by Tahldon
Geez, there IS a such thing as self control you know. Anyone with brains would know that they needed to eat and sleep when their bodies started going against what they wanted from it. She decided that she'd ignore all of the natural signs of decreasing health, she paid the price. Once again, self control will get you a long way.
Good to see they don't forget their own.Posted: Jan 18, 2006 12:00AM PST by mandatory_insanity
It may be strange to hear, but it's still sad. It's nice to see so many gamers honoring one of them.
It goes to show you....Posted: Dec 26, 2005 12:00AM PST by Tattered_Asp
....that some people don't care about anyone outside there little "community". Show some respect. If you think that she died a stupid way, then fine, and if you think you shouden't care about her because she's in China is even worst. Why should I care about the hundreds of thousands of people eho have NO HOMES in the Gulf Coast, I'm not affected by it. It's just being a good person.And if you still don't care, fine, but don't go posting about it and laugh at her. It was a sad way to die and I'm glad the Chinesse WoW players and some 1up members have compasion in their hearts. Some people do have problems letting go of things and get addicted, (alcohol, sex, money, drugs, etc.) and this just puts into perspectave how easily it can happen to someone. My heart goes out to her family. So stop being dicks.
To elaborate...Posted: Dec 01, 2005 12:00AM PST by TKY
My issue is with inaccurate reporting, and people not bothering to doublecheck facts before parroting something. Assuming the deceased to be female purely from the choice of nickname is biased and irresponsible reporting. It says something about a site when inaccurate reports are presented as facts, as news. I have read comments where people wondered what the hell "her" parents were doing to let "her" die from gaming because Snowly was inaccurately reported to be "a young girl". They also attributed her death to stupidity or naivety due to "her" youth. On the topic of disrepect: Getting the gender of the deceased wrong doesn't show disrepect?
yeah yeahPosted: Nov 28, 2005 12:00AM PST by alternate_entity
Ok, the disrespect i've seen in these posts are sickening, and I signed up just to post here. Snowly could be a 65 yr old man, or a 6 yr old girl, but that fact remains that they were a human being, and just because the way they died was due to games doesn't make it ok for ppl to disrespect him/her. As someone quite rightly pointed out his/her death was probably due to a mental condition (even though there is no evidence right now) and instead of laughing we should feel lucky we are not afflicted by these conditions. Some (not all) of the ppl here disrespecting this are just veiling their own prejudices under the pretense of laughing at the death and funeral. Guys, you gotta understand one thing, we're all essentially the same: rich, poor, black, white. Finally my personal comment abt the funeral was that it was an extremely nice thing for her online friends to do (though it cud be argued that hosting the funeral on the game which "apparently" killed her, might be seen as disrespectful). But i think this just demonstrates the fact that her friends are grieving for her and the fact that she will be missed, and the respect I have for their compassion is immense. So guys knwing that this topic is essentially empty now, just wanted it to end on a brighter note. Many of you would choose to argue with me and thats your right. This is just how I see it.
Well well...Posted: Nov 12, 2005 12:00AM PST by M79
After having a lengthy discussion with my sister, I've decided to apologize to those I've offended here with my rude and uncalled for remarks about Snowly's death. I should feel sorrow for her death and not crack jokes about the WAY she died. She probably had mental issues and was seriously addicted to the game. So addicted that nothing else around her mattered.
China does follow thru!Posted: Nov 11, 2005 12:00AM PST by Liberta
For those that bow to the notion of Chinese supremacy, I thought I'd share this information. http://www.opennetinitiative.net/studies/china/ http://www.tibet.ca/en/wtnarchive/1993/6/2_3.html http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2005_10_16-2005_10_22.shtml#1129652741 http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,16545,00.html It's relevent to the death of "Snowly", when you realize you CAN'T FIND ANY FURTHER DETAILS ON HER DEATH, EXCEPT THAT SHE WAS KILLED BY A VIDEOGAME. WTF? It doesn't strike anyone strange that the story of her death has been published in damn near every publication, but none have the actual details of what was the cause of death? If it's not repression, it's certainly an obvious example of lazy journalism, if it can even be considered journalism. China has an extremely repressive regime in control of it's people. That was my point several posts ago, unfortunately, I believe some uninformed and overly sensitive moderator took it for some sort of hate speech against all chinese people. I'm sorry I was not concise. I have no dislike for the people of China. I feel sad for the innocent repressed. I have a hatred for the communist regime that represses her people and rebukes liberty worldwide. If you love freedom - know your enemy! It's not the Chinese people, it's the one's harming the Chinese people. I wonder if this post will be removed too? (I do believe it is 1up's right to remove anything I say. Though I don't think my ideas warrant it, it's their business venture. They can do what they want.) Indeed "Snowly"'s death is a tragedy. Death is almost always a tragedy. So is the deaths of all the impoverished, freedom starving people of China. Look at the big picture. My point is that China's regime does not like the videogame compulsion which is "dominating" the youth in that nation. China's government controls their news, and leaks misinformation. I'm appalled at the lack of pertinent details included in this story on 1up's site and across the Internet. I beleive "Snowly"s death has been utilized as a piece of propaganda to further the regime's anti-gaming agenda and push their decidedly "proper" way of life. Is that what governments are for?
heartless jerksPosted: Nov 10, 2005 12:00AM PST by MeltedGeneral
What if you die and we make fun of your death. You wouldn't like it. You wouldn't be a bitch in a funeral you went to. So don't be a bitch online to someone who died across the world. Also, it was very nice of the Chinese WoW player to hold a fuenral for her. Thats one way to pay respect to a dead person. Not insulting her.
Guys its okay!Posted: Nov 10, 2005 12:00AM PST by DashBillions
She just has to find her corpse and she'll respawn, she'll be back in no time. :V http://www.dashbillions.com
What!Posted: Nov 09, 2005 12:00AM PST by Belief
naegativecool, you sick bastard, i hope you fucking die, how the fuck can you write something like that about someone who has dies, understand people before posting dumbwit shit like that, Chinese people live in a society where when you begin something you see if through no matter what, that is why they are the most successful nation in the world. How can you and other people posting on here type that shit! She died it dont matter who she where she is from how she died SHE IS DEAD, have some respect you sick bastards, for the comments you have put i hope all you mothers die, then see how you like it! And for you negativecool i hope you mom dies then i will find out where she is burried dig her up and shit on her head! you sick fucker!
Case in pointPosted: Nov 08, 2005 12:00AM PST by ChaosBahamut
Too much gaming is bad for you. Everyone, including any people from South Korea or China, who is reading this, several days straight of gaming kills. DON'T DO IT.
What's wrong with us?Posted: Nov 08, 2005 12:00AM PST by M79
icon_sam, what's wrong with us? Nothing. Should there be something wrong with us if we choose to not feel sadness about a strange girl we don't know dying because she CHOSE not to take care of herself playing a video game? No. What's wrong with you? You who do show sadness and probably don't even know the girl. I'm not sure, do you all feel sad that she died or the way she died? The fact that she chose to do this way out weights any feelings about the fact that she died. Seriously, read some real news. I can see it now: Breaking News! This just in. A girl who lives in Cambodia broke a finger nail while trying to connect her X-Box. What a tragedy folks. It's days like today that I'm glad I don't have long finger nails.
HA!Posted: Nov 08, 2005 12:00AM PST by Mitsurugi_05
HA! who knew we had so many dumbasses on this site. I'm not at all disturbed by death, my mom worked in retirement home for most of my life im used to it, but jesus christ people. What the fuck is wrong with you. Or are you all just too stupid to stop and think...O wait thats right, u cant, u might hurt urselves. Well then maybe u just need to stay in ur room playin full spectrum fuck off and go join the army or something. Since obviously death seems so goddamned amusing to you, especially in such a serious setting. Grow up, I mean what are you, like four or sumthin? Come on.....idiots. (note: i am not saying that full spectrum warrior is a bad game, its just when used outside the concept of a normal video game that it becomes a bad thing. thank you for your time.) -A.
Mental illness a factor?Posted: Nov 08, 2005 12:00AM PST by bluebrad1974
Her behavior sounds like some form of OCD (obsessive compulsive disorder). I can understand the feeling that you get when you really love a game, but when you don't eat,drink, or sleep? It seems that there almost has to be something more at work here than just a game. Where were her parents? Was she using drugs? If she was not using drugs, she was definately showing symptoms of a mental disorder. I guess the real question is was she born with it, or do video games cause mental illness. In my opinion she was born that way and this game just triggered it in worst possible way. Either way my heart goes out to her.
Ding Dong Ping Pong is dead...which ping pong? the wicked pong.Posted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by negativecool
I laugh at people that get "sick" when they read disrespect that I and others type about this dumb broad. Heres some more disrespect for you to suck on--- I'd crap in this dead ho's mouth and take a picture and show it to her family to tell them how much I loath her.
Peace be with herPosted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by NintendoWorship
Rest in peace, female person in China. *sniff* now that's hardcore.
Cause of Death...Posted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by ReyMode
I believe was exhaustion. In other post it mention a man who died from South Korea. That's what he died from I pretty sure this is case here as well from the info given. There only so long the body can go without food, water and sleep. Without all three magnifies the problem several times. The heart is actually what gets affected the most by this. If it goes as everybody knows your done.
Cause of death?Posted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by Liberta
I haven't been able to find much more information regarding this incident. It's certainly a compelling story with very little information published. Why so little information? Why publish any info at all? One of the articles states that an individual committed suicide after extended sessions of play. Sad indeed. The article linked below was not dated with a year. I'm not sure if it's reporting on the same incident or another death-by-WoW incident. If the article is correct it sheds some further light on the subject, for me. Her addiction to the online game is, (in my opinion), a further symptom of her horrible depression and not a cause of death. It appears that her cause of death is attributed to what was going on inside her mind rather than what she was doing in the physical world. i.e, videogaming. I can see how an online community can be very appealing to an individual in the grips of depression. It's unfortunate her loved ones didn't pick up on her depressed mental state. No doubt it's tormenting them like hell. A very unfortunate event. Upon further reading I'm further shocked and mystified. I do believe the press release about this girl has been lacking important details about the individual whom died. Why report on a story without offering the full story? I can't answer that. I am only left with more questions. Like, where'd my first comment regarding this article go? What's the criteria for being moderated? Here's the few links I've found with some different information. If you have sources to more info please share with me. http://www.pacificepoch.com/newsstories/43857_0_5_0_M/ http://www.china.org.cn/english/Life/146840.htm http://firstname.lastname@example.com http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=27466
Too stupid and true ^_^Posted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by bug_me_not
Really, this is the dumbesst thing i've read in a while. The girl is alone fault, you can also blame the parents because they don't take care. And this so called online "funeral" is nor funny, nor interesting, its just sick and without any taste. MMORPGs are a force not to be played with, you must not be, and not allow to be so much online and game addictive ! And about the Warcraft funeral...where is this world going to...
Tip to ALL GAMERSPosted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by ReyMode
This the second occurance of this I have heard. The first being a man from South Korea that play over 48 hours straight of an online RPG. This was without food, water, and sleep. So please I urge you fellow gamers to moderate your game play. I don't want hear about one of you passing away from this sort of thing. Life's too short as it is. Game should a part of someone's life not the whole life. If you play more than 6 hrs. take a break get something to eat or drink. After 12-16 hrs. get some sleep, the game will still be there after you wake up. Play and enjoy your games just moderate a little OK.
Reply to MezmiroPosted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by M79
Those are all idiotic ways of dying indeed. However, I wouldn't feel sorry for those people that died that way either. I still think that some girl in some other country dying because she didn't care to watch out for her own health , instead went and played a video game until she died, ranks right up there with idiotic ways to die. That is my opinion, like it or not so for me, it does cut it. P.S. I don't even understand why this is even a "News" topic. lol. Many people die all around the world and they get no coverage of it. Some girl dies from overdosing on World Of Shitcraft and somehow that is news worthy. What a world. Gotta love this topic and it's silly defenders.
Response to postsPosted: Nov 07, 2005 12:00AM PST by Mezmiro
She probably did have a real funeral with her family. It was just a very kind gesture by her friends on WoW to do this for her. Nothing more. It doesn't hurt for her to have a funeral on WoW, that's for sure. Especially since most of her friends probably weren't able to attend her funeral due to distance issues. Someone asked "Why feel bad for someone who died playing a video game?" suggesting that dieing from a video game was a pretty idiotic thing to do, which warrants not feeling bad for the person. Most people die of really idiotic things. People that go 150 on the freeway and smash into cars. That's a pretty stupid thing to do, but nonetheless people feel bad for the person who died. Overdosing on narcotics is a stupid thing to do, yet people feel bad for those deaths. Playing with electricity, people die from that, yet people feel bad for those deaths as well. The explanation that "dieing from a video game is stupid so I shouldn't feel bad for it" doesn't cut it.
hahaha i agree with M79Posted: Nov 06, 2005 12:00AM PST by pe2z
thats just plain fuckin stupid.. im supposed to feel bad for some random ass girl i never heard of before.. and apparantly doesn't have a real name because people are calling her snowly?.. maybe if she gave her life up for a reason, not because she was into world of warcraft. and that funeral was just retarded.. did she not have a Real funeral?
what? lolPosted: Nov 06, 2005 12:00AM PST by M79
I find it hard to respect the death of someone let alone care that they even died if they died playing a video game. I mean really, how the hell do you die from playing games? She chose to play as long as she did and didn't take care of herself. Should I feel sorry? Nope. I just think it's funny that there's an online "funeral" for this kind of crap. lol. Hey here's an idea. Let's create an online Hospital in case people injure themselves while playing games and they can get online "treatment". Dumbasses.
racism and disrespect?Posted: Nov 06, 2005 12:00AM PST by Oken
this is a story of a girl who died. if you cant respect her for being a person, then why dont you try to respect her for being a fellow gamer. instead some people are using this space to "crack a joke" or express their stupid beliefs of racism and superiority. we're all the same. and that's why it hurts to hear a person died. Rest In Peace, Snowly.
REPOST - An unfortunate event, no thanks to the heartlessPosted: Nov 06, 2005 12:00AM PST by Mezmiro
It's really too bad when a death occurs as a result of the source of so much fun excitement for so many people. Although WoW is a very interesting game, I think it takes a special type of person to become this dedicated to a game, to the point of death. So in light of the special nature of these cases, I don't think people are doing World of Warcraft any good justice by labelling it "WarCrack" as the common stereotype portrays it. But labels aren't an issue with this topic. The issue is with 75% of the posts I'm seeing on this topic. Racist, callous, ignorant, and generally inconsiderate posts. A woman dies... probably half the world away from you... and you don't have the respect, compassion, and dignity to feel even a bit of sorrow as a result of her death? But instead of feeling sorrowful or apathetic at her loss, you curse her name and quote Darwin as if it's even remotely applicable in this scenario? Honestly, don't even quote Darwin for a minute. You obviously have no idea what Darwins' intentions were when he conducted and wrote about his research, much less his theories. For all you know, you're inferior to this woman, not the other way around. Did you ever stop and think that emotions befitting societies norms are an important part of adaptation to the environment. Hmm? I didn't think so. If there was anything that could be said about Darwin, it was that he was NOT a selfish prick. That's for sure. Read his biography before you curse his name like this. It's unbelievable. How many deaths does it take for you to shed a tear? How many people have to die for you to cease this disrespect? Some of you are laughing at that sentence, and this post, but really, how better are you? How does that make you any better if you laugh in her face like this? You realize she isn't coming back, right? There's no respawns in life, remember? That means the comments you make will not be read by her. Or maybe that's what you enjoy, being able to insult someone while they're not here to put a gun to your head? Do you think you have any right to comment on this crap? I hope you don't. I gaurantee if you made these comments at her real funeral you wouldn't walk away alive. Personally I'm glad at that prospect. Feeling apathetic is one thing, but cursing someones death is asking for a beating.
May She Rest In PeacePosted: Nov 06, 2005 12:00AM PST by $kyscraper_Antfarm
Let's put aside the squabbling and show a little respect.
Super power?Posted: Nov 05, 2005 12:00AM PST by dunadan72
...and a very successful "superpower" it is, very successful. Well, that just goes to show you the kind of mindset that elects Bush for two terms. At least that girl stayed at home and didn't go to school to wipe out her classmates, thinking she was in the game, like some Americans. Go figure.
Run-n-Gun's rightPosted: Nov 05, 2005 12:00AM PST by TheBachelor
There's some pretty tasteless comments shooting around on a topic that's not meant to be funny. And some of you are just being cold-hearted with the " I didn't know her, so I don't care" statements. You guys need to check yourselves.
Wow...Posted: Nov 05, 2005 12:00AM PST by LeglessGoomba
Those gamers over in the Orient sure go the distance when they play, I know this one isn't the first such case. It sucks that a young girl gave up her life in such a manner, but I agree that respects really don't need to be paid by any of us that didn't know her. She didn't influence our lives in any way, so the headline really boils down to 'China Girl Plays Video Games to Death,' which DOES sound quite silly. It's right up there with these knuckleheads in the States that strap jet engines to cars and plow themselves into mountainsides. I feel nothing for them, and I'm pretty sure none of you do too. Maybe it was a psychological disorder. Maybe it was just too much overtime at the gold farming plant. Doesn't matter. I will say this, it was damn decent of the WoW community (people that actually knew her somewhat, I may add), to pay their respects. Hopefully this will be the last funeral for such a lousy way to go.
HelpPosted: Nov 05, 2005 12:00AM PST by MardukPlagueAngel
well i am new to iup but I'm not new to games and lets think about this for a little bit world of warcraft is an online community maybe a few of her friends should have asked her how long she had been playing so they could tell her to quit playing the game for a day or 2 or maybe a couple of weeks since its an online community and in a community you should care about what goes on in each others lives be it fantasy or reality if you see someone thats been playing for 24-48 hours stright you might want to make it clear to them that they take a break or take a nap or something its always a loss when someone dies wheather you knew them or not
REPOST - I Should Have KnownPosted: Nov 05, 2005 12:00AM PST by DJGabriel
Call me a crusader or whatever u want...I copied my post to put at the top again. After reading this article I am sickened by some of the responses I have gone through. Someone has died. Regardless of fault, a human being is dead. And what do we post..."F%&# The Asians" (which thankfully a mod must have removed)!? Others still have to say just how much they aren't sorry and don't feel bad. So you are tired of being 'politically correct'? That is one thing, but didn't Mommy and Daddy teach you manners? Some of these posts are so embarrassing. Okay, so you don't have to heal the world just because of a situation like this. However, imagine if it was your child/sister that had this happen...then you read these responses. Are we truly that detached and devoid of compassion? If anyone writing these posts is a mother/father, be shamed for teaching this insane thinking to the world. For the lot of you who think it's 'cool' to take out your anger like this (mentioning hurricane victims & situations has nothing to do with this), one day I hope you mature to the point of showing respect. I should have known these are the types of posts is what I would see. To those who have posts such as mine, we gotta keep talking...or one day this type of thinking will be acceptable. Someone I spoke to about this had a really good thought. Maybe you are making these responses because you can remain anonymous. You never have to own up to your words in real life if all the sudden you realize it was 'uncool'.
Foolish, but quite sad, regardless.Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Keefman -X-
It's like that Korean who died playing starcraft.
RE: Screw you guys!Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by GeeEyeJoe
And what of the you are setting for the children when you type words like "f-ing" and "a-holes"? If you want to talk about examples try setting a positive one by refraining from immature outbursts when you hear or see something you do not like. You shouldn't need to use profanity to get your point across, I would think.
There is no right or wrong here just a unfortunate eventPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by mandangsbelow69
You can scream on the top of your lungs about who's fault this but it wont bring this girl back.OpenNet has alot of good points about compulsive gamers being like drug addicts. blitz34 says it best though its just plain sad to hear someone died over not knowing her limits. Regardless if your playing games like this for hours on end and decide to quit your job and school you have a much bigger problem then Video games, and should seek help(not kidding or joking).
imagine...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Deticui
how many more of these we're going to see when the expansion comes out. because you know someone is going to log 100+ hours trying to get their undead rogue (or whatever) from level 60 to 70 first just so they can say "hey i'm the first person to get the new mount I HAVE NO LIFE!!!!" moral of the story: theres this thing, called a social life. its actually less painful than staying in your room all day, no matter what mommy or daddy or blizzy say. this girl is dead proof. so go out, get some fucking fresh air. eat this great stuff called food. its been scientifically proven to make you NOT DIE.
SadPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by blitz34
This is the 2nd time this has happened cause it happened to that boy who played the game for 50 hours straight I think it's no one's fault yeah you might say its the girls fault but playing games like that is like being on weed or something that's putting it mildly sort of but hey games are becoming way more realistic then before with the PS3 and Xbox 360 and NR coming out soon especially the 360 people will be playing games basically non-stop like when Halo 3 hits stores 4 years from now(not a true release date) there will probably be more people online then ever before and games like NBA Live or NBA 2K6 will be played more also so I'm truly sad that this girl died and I send my respects to her and her family even though I don't know her but I hope this teaches some people that play games too much a lesson
to unlikelyacesPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by negativecool
I say again I show no respect to anyone who doesn't respect themselves enough to...I don't know... keep themselves alive by doing the BASICS that your body normally FORCES you to do like sleep or eat...this girl unkowingly committed suicide. God (if you believe in that) sends people straight to hell forever for killing themselves...thus, I'll take the same stance...burn in hell True we are all human, true we are all stupid in our own right and can be taken over by vices....but her death is the most rediculous way to go I've ever heard, I hope shes leveling up in hell.
this is what happened....Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by jeckelj666
ok, I have 3 ways this couldve went down... 1. china hired a person to kill this young person to prove there point. 2. a undead rogue sapped her from behind and backstabbed her.. 3. she met morpheus and got jacked into the matrix where she met her end fighting the agents. other than that, you cant tell me this person just forgot to live, you know, something she was doin alot longer than she was playin games.
RE: 100% parent's faultPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Digi-Destroyer
I think it's a bit of both their faults. It's the girl's fault because, let's face it, there is nothing about games that makes it worth your life. You kind of have to have priorties, ya know? It's also a bit of the parent's fault, because if I was them, I would eventually ask,"Hey, where is she? I haven't seen my own daughter of the computer for days!" I respect her death and her dedication to what she loves, and I also know that the parents don't need some little bastard screaming in their faces, but it was a easily avoidable tragedy.
???????Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by isamu838
I've been pretty addicted to video games, I can't comprehend the addiction to be so strong as to pay with one's life. I mean, I'm pretty sure people play around 4 to 8, and sometimes more...but for days without sleep and food. Did she not think of food when she took restroom breaks? Not even a nap? I figured your body would just shut down without all that for so long.
Regardless, someone died idiotsPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by unlikelyACE5
It doesn't matter if you like it or not, someone died. Show a little respect, assholes. "EWWW I could care less, I'm better then everyone." We're all humans here folks, show a little respect for someone who recently passed. Idiots.
Hi, my name is Snowly & I'm a compulsive gamerPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by OpenNet
It's not about stupidity or being a moron. Have u ever think if they had a problem. Drug adicts, alcoholic, pedofilic, compulsive gamblers; Compulsive Gamers? The games had become so realistic and deep than people gets involved in them, even if i they don't wanna. Sometimes they are just too strong. Thats an addiction. Some programmer is asking himself right now if he had a degree of fault? No, he doesn't. Is WoW wrong or bad? No, it aint. Was it the family fault? Most likely, just as in any case of addiction like drugs or alcoholism, to a certain degree. Was it the players fault? Most definetly, at the end was his choice, but not for stupidity; nobody "wants" to play until they droped dead. Just like nobody wanted to drink until they get intoxicated and die, or wanted to get high until they OD, or wanted to gamble until they lose their house, but it happens, because some people can't control their addictions. Is not stupidity, is a disease. Games just got a little more serious, they are not square figures anymore.
Parents fault? What are you talking about...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Undefined Reality
Nowhere in the article does it say she is a minor. If she were a minor then she wouldn't be able to play for more than 3(?) hours without losing ingame features.
Now that's hardcore...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Cat_Vader
Seriously. I love my games, but not THAT much. If I have to pee or eat something, it either gets paused or turned off. Who loses sleep over something that isn't real? I just wonder where her family was in all of this. Didn't they even notice that she wasn't doing well? I wonder what the cause of death was? Poor kid.
No feelings of sadness here..TOTAL apathyPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by negativecool
I don't feel bad for her, her family, or the people she "touched"(the latter being only online I would assume). But I am not a horrible person. I do not care about a person who I read about in a story on an web-log. Her life meant nothing to me. There are millions of peoples lives that mean absolutly nothing to me. (thats a "scary" thought but it is true for everyone if you really think about it) Again...I am not a horrible peson and I refuse to be labeled as one by you whiney people out there that jump at the chance to feel depressed!! I am just being real about what I feel...I'm not going to go "aww thats sad" because I SHOULD show respect. I give no respect to a person who didn't respect herself enough to want to live--she gave her life to fantasy...whoray. For those of who bringing up the odd question (in a lame attempt to conjur up empathy) "think if it was your daughter/loved one"....If it was my daughter I would have slapped the shit out of her the moment I realized she had been on the computer for longer than 12 hours!! Stupid people are more likely to die in stupid ways, in this case self inflicted....good riddance!
It IS 100% the parents' fault, you dolts!Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by JasonGW
A parent is responsible for their child, period. A GOOD parent does not let their child engage in ANY activity--much less MMORPG's--to such an extent that their very *health* is endangered. This child's parents had a responsibility to pull the plug and remove the kid from the game BEFORE the child died. The parents FAILED to meet their responsibilities. They are BAD parents, period. If your child becomes addicted to something--drugs, TV, games--it's up to YOU to correct that behavior and HELP your child. Maybe the child is better off, at least she's no longer with parents who obviously don't give a damn about her. Jason
Phoenix DownerPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by SailorRipley
I may get my sword on, but not for 9000 hours straight. Take a break, go drinkin.
RE: 100% Parents faultPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Cajun504
You really cant say this was the parents fault cause of a few important reasons. A)age was not specified, B)just cause it was aholiday doesnt mean anything some jobs get off for natl holidays and C)Asia in general has lower rates of negative things like Juevinille deliquincy beacuse people pay attention to there kids there. Yeah its possible the Chinese government made this up to help that new game nerfing thing over there, but I'm not going to take a chance on it being fake. A HUMAN life was lost doing what she loved, and some people here are being assholes about it. See why America has so many problems with taking gamers seriuosly? Because a majority of them are immature assholes whocant take responsibilty for their actions. Snowly knew what she was doing and paid the ultimate price. We have no roght to judge her.
RE: 100% Parents FaultPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by OpenNet
Not only kids play video games u know. Check 1up Features: "Online Evolution I: Origin of the Species", And u'll read about a South Korean who actually quits his job to have more time to play. Yes, parents monitoring is demanding, like in everything else, but is not the same to ground a 5 years old, than talking to a 28 years old.
Cause of death? Phooey!Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Liberta
What was the cause of death? Poor circulation, extremely overweight, diabetic, heart attack? I don't know anymore than was included in those 2 little pieces linked to 1up, but it doesn't add up to journalism. Videogames don't count for a cause of death. WoW has no blame for this tragic death, if it's even true. Clearly, if someone named "Snowly" died in China it was due to more extenuating circumstances than "sleep deprivation" attributed to WoW. Gimme a break. This is not even news. I think this is Chinese propaganda leaking all the way over here. This article should be on the cover of Weekly World News not 1up. Sure someone may have died in China that played WoW, and called herself Snowly, but let's use some critical thinking here. Someone, or some organization is capitalizing on her death to push an agenda. This is ridiculous. The communist Chinese regime is accountable for millions upon millions of deaths and deception all in the name of the greater good, (or worse). Trust China, one million Tibetans can't be dead wrong.
RE: 100% Parents faultPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by phoodsgud
Man its not the parents fault because if the kid is playing the game, they know that they shouldnt be playing too long either. You guys wanna blame this crap on teh parents but if your old enough to understand how to play WOW then you should be old enough to take your own responsibility. Sorry to say but I think she has set an example for us all, dont play games so F*****G long.
im confused...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by indycolt247
I had thought that china had sent time limits on mmorps so gamers couldnt play that long. whats the deal here? someone set me strait
Screw you guys!Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by LockeWorley
You dont have to show sympathy but goddamn it this was a human life. Way to set a great example for the children who come to this site fuckin assholes.
Gaming Disorders...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by OpenNet
Several people had die the last weeks playing video games. This is a tendency present in the MMORPG, because of the pressure of being the best, and the fact that the other players spend tons of hours on line to beat you, making u play more. Now that the on line world is coming to all the consoles, this is tendecy we could see more and more in non RPG games. For instance, if you are rank in the TOP 100`s of the world, would you play harder to reach nÃ??1? And if you do, would you play harder to keep it? Well, some people would, and die on the process.
Its possiblePosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by bedake
To all the people that dont believe it to be true, the people who die from playing games like this isnt because of lack of food, like someone earlier mentioned. I take it you guys have never done a gaming marathon, try snorting a bunch of speed and staying up for 48 hours straight playing halo 2 only taking bathroom breaks, ive done it. after i took a rest and took a shower, i was still hearing voices from the headset in the shower!! If you dont think thats taxing on the body then i dont know what is.
What the hell.Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by madmax28
Couldn't she take a freakin break or go outside or i dunno this one is a strecth, eat. I have heard of some strange stories about wow. I wonder if blizzard is pumping neuro brain wave crap to our computers to brainwash everyone. Maybe her mind resisted and in turn it shut her body down. Hey it could be true. Then again not. Anyway, that is some sad stuff.
If you actually believe this...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by admiralwhitcomb
Then I have a bridge I want to sell you. China issues a limit to mmo play times, and then, in a tragedy that fully confirms the "dangers" of excessive gameplay, a little girl dies playing? That doesn't sound coincidental to me at all. And we all know that the Chinese government has no influence over its media, right?
I hope this is a hoax...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by DevilStar13
Wow, think about how long you have to play to actually die from it. (if I'm understanding the article correctly that is, because they make it seem like she died because she was playing non stop) There -has- to be other factors involved... I mean, DUDE! The way I look at it if I'm in a hardcore gaming mode is that I will be able to make use of all my brain functions and such if I am 1)not hungry 2) don't have to go to the bathroom and 3) decently well rested. Well... my definition of "well rested" anyways, b/c I'm kind of an insomniac sometimes ^^;; And I'm sure I'm not the only person ever to pull an all-nighter when playing games ;P (especially if you're close to the end ^.^) Plus after staring at a screen for so long I would think her eyes would've felt like they were going to bleed out of her sockets!! Doesn't any type of discomfort lie that tell you something?? How many of these things do you have to ignore for how long before your body is screaming at you to stop? And then how long after that do you die? I just don't understand how you can let yourself get to that point. I mean, even if I analyze this through an insensitive fangirl perspective, you will not be operating at full and playing your best after at least 2-3 days of that, so why not take a break? Wouldn't you want to play your best?? *sigh* I'm not sure how sorry I can feel for someone who has passed from something like this... your body would've given you plenty of warnings...
Wise Words...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by SteelFist
I play FFXI, and they have this little message before you play: A Word to Our Players Exploring Vana'diel is a thrilling experience. During your time here, you will be able to talk, join, and adventure with many other individuals in an experience that is unique to online games. That being said, we have no desire to see your real life suffer as a consequence. Don't forget your family, your friends, you school, or your work. I dont know if WoW has something similar, but I do feel for Snowy, I just hope she was happy when she died. Rest in piece.
I agree - it's up to the parents.Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Kizer
Another example of how zero parental involvement in the gaming lives of their kids leads to tragedy, and another illustration of why I started my website. As games become even more mainstream and respected as a major form of media in the world, we can only hope that parents will wake up and realize they need to get involved in monitoring gaming time - in addition to gaming content - to prevent stuff like this from happening (and prevent governments from stepping in and doing the job for them, which could hurt responsible gamers too). Kiser Site Admin gamerparents.com
One devoted player, so much she ignored her body.....Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by UnsungHero007
Thats really sad. Those thing most be freakin addictive then. Im sure the funeral was one of the more touching moments in gaming history. Rest in peace.
Sad BUT...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by KymeraGB
ok, yes its sad BUT how can ppl actually feel sorry for this person?? Its her fault she played the game too long and its HER fault she couldnt pull herself away from the game. Have some control for christ sakes, do those ppl over there even have lives besides freakin PC games?? All you hear is some game realated death after another. Give me a break already. Yeah i play alot in some ppls eys (5-8 hrs a day) but i have a job i go to every day and i eat/sleep/shower and take care of myself too. All in all i think its basically a suicide in some regards. I dont feel sad for her, i think its rediculous. Not gonna get any sympathy from me over this.....sorry but thats the way i feel. EDIT: I also agree it was the parents fault but you cant place the blame all on there shoulders. PPL have to think for themselves sometimes. Todays society is ALWAYS looking for a scapegoat instead of actually putting the blame where it belongs.
No way it's truePosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by DorthZborn
There have been several reports of people "dying" while playing MMORPGs, and I don't believe any of them. The notion of someone not being able to stop themselves from playing a game long enough to eat and sleep is absurd. They're either hoaxes, misunderstandings, or scare tactics to try to stop people from playing these games. If a girl actually died in this case, my heart goes out to her family, but giving the reason as playing WoW too much is ridiculous.
Show some heartPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Cajun504
Some people who call themselves gamers are ASSHOLES. Hey negativecool what if it was a member of your family that died under these circumstances? Are any other circumstances that other people might consider stupid or strange? Yeah thats what I thought. Just because we think its strange doesnt make it right to make fun(negative cool said"bitch got what she deserved not cool)I game a lot more when my wife and daughter are at her family. Yeah sure you should know when to stop, but come on have a heart for crying out loud. As for you Chinese gamer, I didnt know you, but your spirit lives on in all real gamers and those with a heart who mourn your untimely death. R.I.P Snowly.....
Re: IronmanPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by b4k4ch405
QUOTE: "Dont be a jackass. Im a Democrat and a liberal but this is not a cause. Suicide by video games? Do the Japanese commit Hara-Kiri when they loose a deathmatch game? No. I cant say im sympathetic to the cause. The way I look at it is, If you have a off the chain internet connection, a PC, and Warcraft, how crappy is your life in China?" /QUOTE Where to begin? First of all I don't know why you bother saying you are a Democrat and a liberal. If you think I am one then you are mistaken. I am a Liberatrian, and I think both Republicans and Democrats are wrong in their political views. You're asking if the Japanese commit Hara-Kiri when they lose (not loose) a dethmatch game? Of course not! I was just saying that you can use starvation/lack of sleep/lack of nutrition via videogames to kill yourself. Then you assume just because someone possesses some material goods in China, that they have a good life? For all you know she could have gotten beaten or raped every day. You don't know the facts, so don't pretend you do. I also don't know what cause you are talking about. Maybe you can't read well. If I have any cause for suicide it is that I believe it is someone's right to kill themselves however they please. If you don't back my cause, then that is fine. But why call me a jackass? What game are you playing here? Also, you made another comment on how the Chinese government just made this up. I'd like to see some evidence to back that please. You certainly don't seem to be seeking truth and avoiding error, that is for sure.
LOLPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Androide911
wow thats unbelievable ahaha, not to be mean or anything, cuz its a tragedy of her death, but jesus how does someone play so much it kills them? i mean just sitting here thinking about it puzzles the hell out of me
Some of you need to think before you speakPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Sixshot78
Just from reading some of the posts about this article it is really apparent that your parents failed in giving you basic home training. That is really sad. You may think that it is the parent's fault. It may be..but it is FAR from the point. A life was lost due doing something she loved to do.. It seems her friend's did what they could to pay their respects. Most of the comments that I have read here really upset me.. Honestly, if you haven't anything nice or important to say on the issue do us all a favor and keep ur dumb assed opinions to yourselves.
100% Parents faultPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Thirdchild
They say she was a young girl. How old was she? If she was young, its naive to say that she deserved to die cause she didnt appreciate her life. Life would have been just starting for her to begin with. I like how the artical did not target the parents at all (but I guess its a given, and no use adding to the pain of their loss), taking the "too much video games" angel. Anyways, its a shame parents don't pay more attention to their kids these days. They think they can plug them in and its all good.
RE: b4k4ch405Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by DJGabriel
Sadly, I agree with what you say about how we think today. Good luck to you in your teaching. Okay guys, see this man's posts. Voice an opinion, cool. Just put some effort into how you sound. There is absolutely no place for some of these messages. Some of these are never appropriate...ever.
Re: DJGabrielPosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by b4k4ch405
Actually I would say that this is the way our country thinks even right now. Social conservatism is on the rise, and I don't see it going away anytime soon. Racism and hate are the in things now, and it is so sad to see this country go down the shitter. Either we'll start killing each other, or China will take us over. I like how everyone ignores the fact that China will surpass us in almost every department unless we educate our kids. The hate you see these morons spewing is from a lack of education. By education I mean living a life of striving to find truth and avoid error. I for one am becoming a teacher to instill truth into children before it is too late. It probably won't work, but it will be a good last try before this country falls.
What is truly sad...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by b4k4ch405
...is to see all these ignorant, sarcastic bastards on this board who don't understand things like addiction. Survival of the fittest, right guys? So when some dude comes to rob you and you get shot and die it was because you didn't deserve to exist right? What a dumb argument. I think as MMOs progress you'll be seeing a lot more of this. It is escapist entertainment at its finest, and can be fatal for the escapees. These are people who want to escape life and eventually do. In a way they are getting what they want. No one would die from playing too long unless they wanted to. I view these as suicides by videogame playing, as oppossed to jumping off a building. It's not like I think it should be illegal or anything. Any human being has the right to kill themselves how they please. Even if you make it illegal, they are going to do it. The answer is to just accept that some people do not wish to live in a society as horrible as the one they are in. I don't blame them. Who are you guys to pass judgement on what someone does with thier lives? There are some true morons on this board, let me tell you.
I Should Have Known...Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by DJGabriel
After reading this article I am sickened by some of the responses I have gone through. Someone has died. Regardless of fault, a human being is dead. And what do we post..."F%@$ the Asians"!? Others still have to say just how much they aren't sorry and don't feel bad. So you are tired of being 'politically correct'? That is one thing, but didn't Mommy & Daddy teach you manners. Some of these posts are so embarrassing. You don't have to heal the world just because of a situation like this. Imagine if it was your child/sister that had this happen...then you read these responses. Are we truly that detached and devoid of compassion? If anyone writing these posts is a mother/father, be shamed for teaching this insane thinking to the world. For the lot of you who think it's 'cool' to take out your anger like this (mentioning hurricane victims & situations has nothing to do with this), one day I hope you mature to the point of showing respect. I should have known these are the types of posts is what I would see. To those who have posts such as mine, we gotta keep talking...or one day this type of thinking will be acceptable.
RemembrancePosted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Jubolias
This wasn't dedication, this is a case of full blown addiction. Like anything, games can be addicting in the right conditions. Should we not mourn the loss of someone who died from lung cancer just because they were a smoker in life? Surely there were other facets to their character than "smoker." Just like I jumped to the conclusion that everyone here posting insensitive comments about a loss of a life may be "unkind" and "hurtful," is this how you would have the world remember you? A tribute, in any form, is a show of respect and remembrance. She must have touched many people's lives, and for the better, to have been shown tribute this way. I think that's all any of us can hope for.
Boo frickin whoo!Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by negativecool
Like tekmosis I signed up just to tell Nickstooslick4u exactly what I think of him and his opinon..... The man's a genius that tells it like it is. Dumb bitch got what she deserved. The game she was playing was ABOLUTE to her, her only priority, more important to her than her fucking LIFE! Hypothetically lets say she had a final thought when she knew she was going to die. She probably wouldn't give any thought to the fact that her life was going to end that she would no longer taste the fruits of life....but instead she probably thought DAMMIT NO NOT YET IM ALMOST TO LEVEL 60!!! "Those that do no appreciate life, do not deserve life" -Saw 2 quote-
Are you all Dee dee dee???Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by The_Virus
she died cause she played too much and what do they do...they give her "respect" ONLINE...ONLINE AS IN THE REASON SHE DIED! it's like a smoker lighting one up after someone passed away from lung cancer...WAKE UP!http://1up.com/images/Buttons/submit_55x25.gif
You lose, honey. R.I.P.Posted: Nov 04, 2005 12:00AM PST by Hasselhoff
It's always sad to hear news of somebody dying. Even though it doesn't affect me, I'm sure her family is hurt by the loss. However, in a situation such as this, I'll admit that it's a bit hard for me to feel a whole lot of sympathy. I mean, it's great that you're dedicated to the game. A real team player, and all that good stuff. Dying for it, on the other hand, is just plain silly and stupid. As fun as a MMORPG can be, it's not worth alienating your friends, your family, and espically your own well-being. Say what you will, but that's how I feel about it. During her last days, she complained of being too tired. Now, she has all the time in the world to catch up on the sleep she desperately needed. That's really sad. EDIT: I had a feeling everyone on both sides would get pissy over the whole ordeal. Yes, folks, the funeral they had for her was a very nice gesture. It's obvious that she meant alot to many of the people who played. I guess that's what frustrating about it for me. But, whatever, I'm a stupid asshole, right? As you were, gang.
Damn...is this for real!?Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by EnderOne
That's insane! You can die of sleep depravation, but it's a very hard thing to do. -usually you just passout. For all you fucks that are saying means things about this(although I can see why), fuck you. someone passed away, have some respect. rest in peace.
v--- moron :DPosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by tekmosis
Nick, you are a complete idiot; I signed up just to tell you that. I hope you feel special, now <3 I feel sorry for anyone around you who has to listen to the trash you spew out of your mouth. I hope you never reproduce. As for the girl, it sucks. Where were the parents?
Wow.Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by EB_Andrew
On one hand, it is terribly tragic that this person died. On the other, if WoW took priority in her mind over her basic needs for SURVIVAL, then is it really a horrible loss to the gene pool? I hate to be that cut-and-dry, but very few people care about the junkie in the alley that died of an overdose, which is essentially what happened here. Yeah, go ahead and call me a bastard. I probably deserve it. -A -edit- Yeah, and for nobody to have interviened... that's kinda sad too, on both ends. And I do play WoW, and if you do too, you probably know there's something FAR worse that could be said based on what information is given in the article, but I'm not gonna cross that line.
These games are of their ownPosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by Dark13Matter
This shows how far the video game world has come, and how consuming of a world these MMOs create. I have heard of weddings and I have head of people dying for exhaustion from playing online for prolonged periods of time. This is the first time I have seen a funeral though. I havent ever played an MMO. Yet when I play an RPG I got twenty hour without moving. So with my addictive appitite I might need to stay away before I am a 1up story of death.
The reason we don't set time restrictions...Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by Ortadragoon
Is because, for the most part, Americans aren't as easily addicted to MMORPG's as the Japanese or the Chinese. If I'm correct, there hasn't been a single death resulting from overplay from an MMORPG in the US. Plus, unless I'm wrong, MMO publishers actually say that US users log in less hours than those of either China or Japan. Anywho, that is sad.
What a pity...Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by 404NotFound
Obsession is one of the key elements of online-gaming, and though addiction can be bad, it's sad to see a determined gamer die for it. I understand atleast a day of non-stop game whoring, but when it's continuous, and you're eyes start to gag out of your eye sockets... Well, it's just a shame that you don't bother to rest, but continue playing. While it's not entirely her fault, that's just an atrocity. There are things that you can do to prolong addiction; Especially when you need it in a scenario like this. I don't see how a family member/herself, didn't come by, take the computer power-socket out, and just take a nap... I mean... Come on, atleast her friends could of said something. Determination, addiction, inability to stop playing; There's a reason why us human-organisms have common sense.
SadPosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by substeinar
This makes me wanna agree with the Chinese government, and limit peoples online sessions. Some people cant stop. More are likely to die because of online games.
One devoted player, so much she ignored her body.....Posted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by UnsungHero007
Damn those things are addicting then. Thats really sad I mean she was trying to beat a tough part of the game and died trying. The funeral was probably one of the most touching moments in gaming history. Rest in peace.
ObsessionPosted: Nov 03, 2005 12:00AM PST by Comtess_de_Sade
I am guilty of spending a few late, sleep dep nights on with my favorite pixels...but I don't understand how people can do it for days on end to actually cause death. I think the most depressing part is how preventable it would have been if she hadn't ignored her body.


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