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Starred Review. There are many things one might expect to find within the covers of a collection of essays by a Stanford professor of biology and neurology: a rich understanding of the complexities of human and animal life; a sensitivity to the relationship between our biological nature and our environmental context; a humility in the face of still-to-be-understood facets of the human condition. All these are in Sapolsky's new collection, along with something one might not expect: wry, witty prose that reads like the unexpected love child of a merger between Popular Science and GQ, written by an author who could be as much at home holding court at the local pub as he is in a university lab. In this collection (the majority of pieces ran in Discover, others in Men's Health, the New Yorker and Scientific American), Sapolsky ranges wherever his formidable curiosity leads, from genetic determinism as seen through the eyes of People magazine's "50 Most Beautiful People" to the reasons why crotchety old people are neurologically disinclined to like whatever passes for music among young people nowadays. Each essay brings its own unexpected delight, brief enough that you can dip a toe in, yet insightful enough to encourage you to pursue the topic further (and Sapolsky helpfully appends to each essay a list of suggested further readings). (Sept.)
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"A combination of Oliver Sacks and David Foster Wallace. . . . Sapolsky is that professor whose classes were impossible to get into, the courses where the students had an infuriatingly good time while they were learning, the ones where the students were inspired to become scientists." (Los Angeles Times)
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"The prose is perfectly pitched: Sapolsky writes in a jocular, entertaining style without ever pandering to the presumed ignorance of his readers. " (The Guardian (London))
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A primate researcher, the author has spent many years studying baboon behaviour. Those who fear comparison with other primates may be uncomfortable with Sapolsky's conclusions. The material he draws upon for support, however, shows how universal many of our own behaviours are among our close relatives. In this book, he takes up three themes - why searching for "a gene for" any specific behaviour or illness is doomed to failure; what the body contributes to our personality; and what society contributes in determining our "selves". Each section is preceded by an introductory essay, explaining the significance of the topics discussed.
In the first section he severely condemns those who want to lock behaviour to genetics. That's an admirable end, but the selections weighed in his judgement are nearly all media accounts. Simplifying human behaviour issues sells magazines and newspapers, and his references to "those scientists" who appear to have advocated "nature over nurture" vapourise when you look for them in the text.Read more ›
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But I always make the time to read anything that Sapolsky writes. This book is a collection of essays that show once again, that we have an extraordinarily brilliant iconoclast in our midst. Time and again he demonstrates that he is not afraid to say when he does not know something, but that he also uncommonly good at coming up with new questions and new solutions.
I suggest reading this at the rate of a chapter a day, and meditating on what you have learned: you will not regret it!
The whole thing is witty, unconventional and brilliant!
Sapolsky, who is the author of A Primate's Memoir, The Trouble with Testosterone and Why Zebras Don't Get Ulcers, is a professor of biology and neurology at Stanford and a recipient of a MacArthur "genius" grant. I found his genius not only to be in his insight and ability to frame questions and pursue their answers, but also to be able to write about it in a way that is accessible to a "nongenius."
This book is a collection of previously published essays that are updated for this edition (the updates include notes for further reading and on source materials). Sapolsky divides the book into three parts ("Genes and Who We Are," "Our Bodies and Who We Are" and "Society and Who We Are") and introduces each section with cogent current thinking on the issues addressed. For example, to introduce the first section, Sapolsky writes about how the nature-nurture argument is a red herring; genes contribute to personality/behavior when the environment interacts with them in ways conducive to gene-induced behavior! For example, in "Of Mice and (Hu)men Genes," Sapolsky writes about genes that may indicate a proclivity for depression, but only in certain environments, and summarizes that the reader should be wary of simple expanations. (And, he asserts, as humans we may have more responsibility to create positive environments that interact benignly with risky genes than to understand which genes cause what.) In the second section's "Why are Dreams Dreamlike?" Sapolsky illustrates how answering some questions about how the brain and psyche function just brings up other, deeper questions.
Sapolsky's illustrations of his points are fascinating and enlightening (and often funny!). In "The Genetic War Between Men and Women," he writes about how the genes from the father of a species have one goal ("greater, faster, more expensive growth") while genes from the mother have another ("countering that exuberance"). The success comes in nature's ability to balance these goals: "The placenta is ... the scene of a pitched battle, with paternally derived genes pushing [the placenta] to invade more aggressively while maternally derived genes try to hold it back." He lists other examples of this balance in humans and other species. This view of nature and how reproduction is nurtured fascinated me and helped me to see things in a new way.
Sapolsky's topics are wide ranging, and the book reminded me a bit of Freakonomics in its tendency to turn its problem-solving focus on whatever issue crossed its path. For example, in the final section, he writes about the differences between the
religions of desert peoples and the religions of tropical peoples -- the former tend to have a single god with miltaristic iterations and few rights for women while the latter tend toward pantheism and matrilocal marital residence. "Most evidence suggests that the rain-forest mind-set is more of a hothouse attribute, less hardy when uprooted." I guess that's evident, but Sapolsky's writings on the topic, again, gave me a new way to look at something I hadn't considered before. In this book, he addresses game theory, gene mapping, musical tastes, gender-communication issues and neurogenesis with wit, clarity and insight.
I recommend this book if you're the least bit curious about your brain, your body, the natural world and the society in which you live.
A primate researcher, the author has spent many years studying baboon behaviour. Those who fear comparison with other primates may be uncomfortable with Sapolsky's conclusions. The material he draws upon for support, however, shows how universal many of our own behaviours are among our close relatives. In this book, he takes up three themes - why searching for "a gene for" any specific behaviour or illness is doomed to failure; what the body contributes to our personality; and what society contributes in determining our "selves". Each section is preceded by an introductory essay, explaining the significance of the topics discussed.
In the first section he severely condemns those who want to lock behaviour to genetics. That's an admirable end, but the selections weighed in his judgement are nearly all media accounts. Simplifying human behaviour issues sells magazines and newspapers, and his references to "those scientists" who appear to have advocated "nature over nurture" vapourise when you look for them in the text. Still, the elmination of "gene centrism" is an admirable ambition. That is what the public too often sees and the illusion needs expulsion from the collective public consciousness. He reminds us that many "genetic" drives are environmentally triggered. Whatever the rules are genes function under, they aren't rigid ones. Environment contributes, often in a major way.
In the second section, Sapolsky ranges over body-behaviour issues. From the "Twinky Defence" to definitions of dreaming, he explores how the body and brain relate to influence the mind. Emotions result from the cascades of hormones flowing through our bodies. The brain triggers many of these, but the body sends messages to the brain using that chemical medium. While all this may leave the impression that we are almost helpless observers of what these molecular signals drive us to do, the author reminds us that the "big" part of the brain, the frontal cortex, grants us a level of control denied most other animals.
Finally, we are treated to an overview of our relation to the departed. Why is there such an intense drive in humans to deal with the dead? That is most ardently expressed when the body is missing. There are bizarre cases noted here, not the least of which is story of the rituals imposed when the US Navy retrieved the bodies of drowned Japanese fishermen. Yet more intriguing are the cases of mothers finding ways to have their children hospitalised. Each time the mother visited a recovering child, there was a relapse.
That Sapolsky's style is brisk, even fervent at times, shouldn't obscure the fact that there's much in here most of us need to know. When you and your spouse argue, who concedes first? Why is this so? Daily life situations are biologically examined, without the rhetoric that might turn this into a campaign document. There is a message: that we need to learn more about what provides our emotional makeup, from domestic disputes to "over-mothering". Read this and find out what. [stephen a. haines - Ottawa, Canada]
Sapolsky writes that genes do not fully define who we are but that environment greatly shapes who we are. Genes produce proteins vital for the brain to function properly. They do not produce behavior but rather tendencies to respond to the environment in certain ways. He explains to us that there isn't a battle between nature and nurture, but that they both work together to make us unique.
Sapolsky explains to us that particular genes will produce a particular protein in different environments. Cold temperatures can make animals activate a gene to produce proteins to act differently. It will make some animals such as bears hibernate when winter is upon them and others might fly south for the winter or react in different ways. The smallest thing in life can affect us a lot.
"Antlers of Clay" is a short passage of Monkey Love where Sapolsky explains what animals look for in mates. He explains that women are more likely to look for a man who is economically established then struggling financial. Women want a bread winner. Sapolsky did not create this theory. David Buss of the University of Texas at Austin surveyed more than ten thousand people from thirty-seven different countries. In every society that Buss examined he noticed that women were interested particularly in men that could support them financially. When women are happy with their mates, they tend to have healthier offspring. Sapolsky states that looks can sometimes mean good genes but what makes the difference is the effort that a female puts into the well-being of her offspring. When women think that they found the perfect mate, their bodies synthesizes more growth hormones and will go the extra mile to take care of their offspring.
Sapolsky throughout his book repeatedly emphasis that environment has a big influence on all living organisms. Environment consists of the surroundings or conditions an animal lives in. Culture is also a large part of our environment and how we live. It determines the type of medical attention we receive, the food we eat, how we earn our bread, and essentially who we are. Not everybody is affected by environment the same way. A person's socioeconomic status is determined by a person's income education and occupation. In our modern world it can determine if you live or die. The poor have the lowest socioeconomic status with very little income and education. Their health tends to be worse than people who are in a higher socioeconomic class. Having money does not make you immune to disease; this just means you have the ability to buy prevention and treatments for illness. The poor tend to have poor health because of their ignorance; people with very little education might not know the horrible effects of smoking.
Sapolsky is really fascinated with the effect that parents have on their children's development. Parents can help their children grow, but when dose helping become a hindrance. Sapolsky feels that parents should have control over their children, but should also let them branch out into the world. There are parents who take there parental control to an extreme. There are parents that belong to cretin religions that reject the use of medicine for healing and use a prayer instead. Sapolsky also feels that the Amish indirectly hurt their children by not allowing them to go to high school with non-Amish classmates in fear that they might want change. Parents can no longer let a child die because they refuse medical care, but the Amish can leave their children unprepared and uneducated. What is the difference? According to Sapolsky Amish children are sheltered from the real world being forced into the same style of life as their parents. What a parent can and can't do with his child is a huge debate today in our country.
Bugs in the brain is my favorite passage of Monkey Luv Sapolsky say that he attends neuroscience conventions from time to time and its quite easy for him to become overwhelmed. "There are thousands of exhibits and posters but, at the end of the day we still don't know much about the brain". Sapolsky tries to explain that viruses and bacteria's can alter our brain functions. Rabies for example is a type of virus that can get into the brain and make its host aggressive. Rabies can drive a subject to bite someone, passing the virus on threw saliva. Sapolsky also presented us with Toxoplasma which is secreted by cats. When rodents ingest it, their fear of cats disappears and they become attracted to cats. Toxoplasma only attracts a rodent too cats but doesn't affect anything else in their daily life. Toxoplasma blows Sapolsky mind and runs circles around neuroscientist.
I really enjoyed Monkey Luv by Robert M. Sapolsky; his book was really fun to read. Sapolsky is such a witty character and the tone in which he tells the story simply captivates me. I personally like how he puts his and other researcher's thoughts together without confusing the reader. Sapolsky kept me hooked with all the small stories throughout the book. It felt like he knew that I have a short attention span. I thought his writing style was innovative. Sapolsky is a very intelligent man yet really down to earth, using words the average Joe can understand. Monkey luv is a must read, if you what to know how our minds works and changes every day.
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This month we're reading nonfiction with The Psychopath Test: A Journey Through the Madness Industry by Jon Ronson. Here's the Amazon blurb:
"They say one out of every hundred people is a psychopath. You probably passed one on the street today. These are people who have no empathy, who are manipulative, deceitful, charming, seductive, and delusional. The Psychopath Test is the New York Times bestselling exploration of their world and the madness industry.
When Jon Ronson is drawn into an elaborate hoax played on some of the world's top scientists, his investigation leads him, unexpectedly, to psychopaths. He meets an influential psychologist who is convinced that many important business leaders and politicians are in fact high-flying, high-functioning psychopaths, and teaches Ronson how to spot them. Armed with these new abilities, Ronson meets a patient inside an asylum for the criminally insane who insists that he's sane, a mere run-of-the-mill troubled youth, not a psychopath—a claim that might be only manipulation, and a sign of his psychopathy. He spends time with a death-squad leader institutionalized for mortgage fraud, and with a legendary CEO who took joy in shutting down factories and firing people. He delves into the fascinating history of psychopathy diagnosis and treatments, from LSD-fueled days-long naked therapy sessions in prisons to attempts to understand serial killers.
Along the way, Ronson discovers that relatively ordinary people are, more and more, defined by their most insane edges. The Psychopath Test is a fascinating adventure through the minds of madness."
UPDATE: We now have a venue - St. John's Bar and Grill in Sunnyvale! We should be able to find a quiet corner inside, or if worst comes to worst we can sit outside on the patio...so bring your jackets in case it's chilly.
If somebody has the Santa Clara City Library copy of this book checked out, can you pretty please return it before the library closes tomorrow (the due date) so I can pick it up? I have a hold on it, but the library will be closed Thurs/Fri and I'd like to have it to read when I'm out of town this weekend :-)
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Sarah changed the location to St. John's Bar & Grill
October 31, 2012
The coffee shops I checked out on yelp all had closing times of 8 or so. Was just looking in Sunnyvale tho. Didn't branch out. If it gets too noisy at St. John's we can locate outside. They have a lot of tables. There's nothing going on that Tuesday night and no sports games so it should be relatively quiet. At least I think there are no games. There are a bunch of corners that we can tuck ourselves into but it's not one of those so loud we have to yell places.
0 · October 31, 2012
I think we'd better shoot for a place that's open until 9 pm at least. St. John's is pretty fun - it can get a little loud when it's busy (like at lunchtime on Saturdays when all the burgers are half-price), but I don't know what it's like on a weekday evening. Merit looks like it's right in that same area on the Lawrence Expressway. Or for coffee shops, anyone know anything about Cafe LaTTea in Cupertino? http://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-lattea-cupertino It's what I found when looking for coffee shops we haven't been to yet that stay open late on Stevens Creek.
Okay, probably I should go back to doing work now...
0 · October 31, 2012
So there's a Peet's coffee on El Camino Murphy that's open until 9pm. There's also the Bean Scene very close by but only open until 8pm. Or we can go St. John's in sunnyvale for burgers and beers. I don't remember it being extremely loud but they have an outside patio area. I'll post again if I can think of anything else.
0 · October 31, 2012
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text: Home > Medical > Colds and flu > The 1918 epidemic Updated 08 May 2009 1918 - who was affected by the flu? Unlike other outbreaks of flu, the 1918 epidemic decimated not the young and the old, but those between the ages of 15 - 38. 0 The people most affected by the flu were: Young people Black people Pregnant women More men than women Unlike other outbreaks of flu, the 1918 epidemic decimated not the young and the old, but those between the ages of 15 - 38. Men were more severely affected than women, possibly because they moved around more and were exposed to the viral infections to a far greater degree. The Influenza Epidemic Commission surmised that the older population was partially immunised having lived through previous infections. Particularly hard hit were pregnant women. Spontaneous miscarriages were frequent amongst expectant mothers who had been infected. As the disease was fatal to so many potential parents, school enrollments reflected a marked drop in the mid-twenties, a fact ascribed by Cape Educational authorities to the significantly lower birth rates during and after the flu epidemic. Phillips indeed speaks of "a lost generation". The population of the Cape appeared to bear the brunt of this epidemic as shown by the figures below: Percentage of deaths by province: Cape Province - 62,46 Transvaal - 20,55 OFS - 6,98 Natal - 10,01 Of those who died, close on 80% were black, many living in rural areas of the Transkei and Ciskei. Sources for the whole section on the 1918 epidemic in South Africa: SA Railways and Harbour Magazine, December 1918; Phillips, Howard. South Africa's worst Demographic Disaster: The Spanish Influenza Epidemic of 1918. (South African Historical Journal, (20), 1988. Try efferflu C for cold and flu relief Sponsored by Read Health24's Comments Policy Comment on this story 0 comments Comments have been closed for this article. Logout Comment 0 characters remaining Share on Facebook Loading comments... Ask the Expert Flu expert Dr Heidi van Deventer completed her MBChB (Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery) degree in 2004 at the University of Stellenbosch. She has additional training in ACLS (Advanced Cardiac Life Support) and PALS (Paediatric Advanced Life Support) as well as biostatistics and epidemiology. Dr Van Deventer is currently working as a researcher at the Desmond Tutu Tuberculosis Centre at the University of Stellenbosch. Ask a question Questions posted to Flu expert questions answered by the expert Q: Battling to get rid of flu. posted on 20-07-2016 Q: when is the right time? posted on 05-07-2016 Q: cold/flu posted on 04-07-2016 1 comment Q: does prohist syrup help with fever posted on 29-06-2016 Q: 27 weeks pregnant and i ahve been battling a cold since may posted on 23-06-2016 1 comment Q: sore, itchy troat tha causes continuous coughing posted on 21-06-2016 4 comments Q: Does the fly vaccine work posted on 14-06-2016 Q: Flu or something else? posted on 09-06-2016 1 comment Q: Flustat save during pregnancy posted on 06-06-2016 Q: Which is the best Vitamin C product for kids? posted on 31-05-2016 Q: Flu Vaccine posted on 27-05-2016 Q: Nebiliser advice needed posted on 25-05-2016 Q: I had flu, but still have a running nose and post nasal drip for past week, when i spit it is clear, no block nose. What can i use. Saltwater not helping posted on 19-05-2016 Q: when is the best time to get the flu injection? posted on 18-05-2016 Q: Can you use sinuend flu tablets to abort an unwanted pregnancy? posted on 18-05-2016 load more × Still have a question? Get free advice from our panel of experts Your question More detail Your name (optional) The information provided does not constitute a diagnosis of your condition. You should consult a medical practitioner or other appropriate health care professional for a physical exmanication, diagnosis and formal advice. Health24 and the expert accept no responsibility or liability for any damage or personal harm you may suffer resulting from making use of this content. I agree * You must accept our condition To prevent spam please solve this simple math problem: Forum Rules


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Battles and Leaders of the Civil War: The Invasion of Maryland (Illustrated)The bloodiest day in the history of the United States took place on the 75th anniversary of the signing of the Constitution. On September 17, 1862, Robert E. Lees Army of Northern Virginia fought George McClellans Army of the Potomac outside Sharpsburg along Antietam Creek. That day, nearly 25,000 would become casualties, and Lees army barely survived fighting the much bigger Northern army.
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Donations Fund Weekend Camp For Grieving Children
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Skip to comments.Joseph Wilson, The UN, and Iraq's WMDs
Posted on 07/25/2005 8:08:58 PM PDT by JRM-2M6
Senate Intelligence Committee : Report On The U.S. Intelligence Communitys Prewar Intelligence Assessments On Iraq Conclusion 13. The report on the former ambassadors trip to Niger, disseminated in March 2002, did not change any analysts assessments of the Iraq-Niger uranium deal. For most analysts, the information in the report lent more credibility to the original Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) reports on the uranium deal, but the State Department Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) analysts believed that the report supported their assessment that Niger was unlikely to be willing or able to sell uranium to Iraq.
Iraq has a Nuclear Program
"source: The Un" IAEA fact sheet on Iraqi nuclear programme 1997 Iraqs nuclear program doing well
"source: The Un" IAEA : nuclear ambitions after gulf war 1998 Iraq nuclear program still
"source: The Un" IAEA : iraq progessing in nuclear programme 1999 Iraq, no Nuke program HUH?
"source: The Un" IAEA : iraq has no nuclear programme 2004 US removing weapons grade materials
"source: The Un" US removes weapons grade material that Iraq didn't have
CIA: september 2004
CIA: Iraq's WMD - Nuclear
Granted that Mr Wilson was correct in saying that the document he saw was in fact a forgery. But , to push the charge that the document he reffered to was the basis for us going to war , was not only a lie but an act of treason. Mr Wilson himself has never said that iraq never sought uranium from niger, only that they were unsuccessfull in there request. Mr Wilson was sent only to verify "iraq sought yellow cake uranium from niger" and Mr. Wilson report did confirm as much(According to Mr Wilson himself). The Bush Administration has never claimed that iraq purchased yellowcake uranium, only that Iraq sought it from niger. So when Mr Wilson intentionally and publicly claimed that this President decieved congress by using fake documents to justify invading iraq "he absolutely lied" .... And that in my opinion is Treason.
Wilson never saw the document, that document wasn't even in our possession until several months after Wilson returned from Niger
Joe Wilson was sent to Niger without the knowledge of the CIA Director, this was a mission solely orchestrated by the Counter Proliferation Dept of the CIA where his wife Valerie Plame worked.
Joe Wilson comes back after two weeks of chatting with various big whigs in Niger while sipping Mint Tea, he returned and filed a verbal report that was in fact supportive of the claim that Saddam sought to purchase Uranium from Niger.
Joe Wilson made many speeches against going to war with Iraq, yet never said a word about his trip or his so called findings. Even after the famous 16 words were uttered in the Presidents State of the Union Address, Joe Wilson remained silent until 4 months after we invaded Iraq and coincidently just a few after he signed on to the Kerry Campaign.
I believe Joe Wilson knew his trip to Niger didn't prove anything one way or the other, and probably went their on more of a vacation than a mission. But he decided to use his trip to try and damage this President in his effort to help elect John Kerry.
I personally believe that Fitzpatrick (Special Prosecutor) is focusing his investigation on the lies Joe Wilson has told, after all, he is the only one that has so far been proved to have lied, 3 TIMES no less. There is no doubt in my mind that the forged document is a major part of this investigation as well. That document was a KNOWN forgery and had no business being placed into Colin Powell's written report to the U.N. on October of 2002. Somebody put it in there to embarrass this President. This leads me to believe that Fitzpatrick is investigating who was involved in placing this document in Powell's report.
There was a conspiracy to embarrass this Administration and nobody will convince me otherwise
Get over here
Former Diplomat To Give Views On Possible War With Iraq at UCSB
Further, Wilson essentially repeated these remarks in an op-ed for the Los Angeles Times in February -- after the President's SOTU.
Quite a difference from his op-ed in the New York Times on July 8, huh...???
Could having been hired by the Kerry campaign in May have had anything to do with Wilson's one-eighty?
Let's try that one more time...
Good info. I have a stack of stuff that I give to folks when they say "NoWMDs!" "Bush Lied". This will add good weight.
About that 500 tons of yellow cake
We interrupt this scandal to ask a question that, due to its explosive nature was never asked when the story broke almost exactly a year ago
What were 500 tons of yellow cake uranium still doing at the nuclear research center of Al-Tuwaitha in Iraq when American tanks rolled into Bagdhad?
The fact that the material was under the supervision of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) for more than a decade opens an entirely different line of questioning: Is the entire group of United Nations bureaucrats running the IAEA legally insane?
These issues are somewhat separate from the Plame-Wilson-Rove dust up thats been roiling Washington recently, but nevertheless shed light on why Joe Wilson went to Niger in February of 2002 and why the bureaucratic tussle over those 16 words about the Iraqi-Niger yellow cake connection was so fierce.
The story begins at the end of the first Gulf War when inspectors found a 500 ton cache of refined yellow cake uranium at Iraqs primary nuclear research facility in Al-Tuwaitha outside of Bagdhad. The cache was part of a huge inventory of nuclear materials discovered by UN inspectors that included low-level radioactive material of the type used for industrial and medical purposes as well as a quantity of highly enriched uranium suitable for bomb production.
This HE uranium was shipped to Russia where it was made relatively harmless by a process known as isotopic dilution but only after the Iraqis dragged their heels for more than 6 months following the cease fire by playing a cat and mouse game with the IAEAs inspectors. The history of those early IAEA inspections can be found here and is an eye opening look at both the gullibility of the IAEA and the lengths to which Saddam sought to keep as much of his nuclear bomb making capability as he could.
The IAEA placed a seal on the nuclear materials in November of 1992. From then until the fall of Saddam, the agency attempted to make sure that Iraq did not use the yellow cake to reconstitute its nuclear program, something the IAEA acknowledged could be done if the Iraqis were able to rebuild its centrifuges and gain access to additional fissile material. Keeping track of the material was made extraordinarily difficult by the Iraqis who regularly impeded IAEA officials from carrying out even the most routine inspections.
Flash forward to 1999 when British intelligence found out through multiple sources that representatives of the Iraqi government had met with officials from the Niger government.
This fact is not in dispute. The mystery is in what they talked about. A memo obtained by the British later proven to be a forgery purported to show the Iraqis were interested in purchasing 500 tons of yellow cake uranium from Nigers mines. Forgery or not, since Nigers exports are extremely limited, consisting largely of uranium ore, livestock, cowpeas, and onions, one doesnt have to be an intelligence analyst to figure out in which one of those items the Iraqis might be interested.
Both the Butler Review and the Senate Select Committee on Pre War Iraq Intelligence (SSCI) point to other efforts by Saddam to purchase uranium, most notably from the Democratic Republic of the Congo . The Butler Review states in 2002 the CIA agreed that there was evidence that [uranium from Africa] had been sought. In the run-up to war in Iraq, the British Intelligence Services apparently believed that Iraq had been trying to obtain uranium from Africa; however, no evidence has been passed on to the IAEA apart from the forged documents.
This then was the context in which Ambassador Joe Wilson went to Niger in February of 2002. Based on multiple sources and the best judgement of the CIA, Saddam Hussein was trying purchase uranium. Since there were no working commercial nuclear reactors in all of Iraq, his interest could only be based on his desire to reconstitute his nuclear weapons program.
There was no fixing of intelligence or shaping intelligence to fit some preconceived agenda. Despite UN resolutions and sanctions, Saddam was looking to build the bomb.
What about that 500 tons of yellow cake under seal at Al-Tuwaitha? As long as the sanctions were in place, the inspectors would be able to confirm, albeit with great difficulty, that Saddam would not be able to use the material for his bomb building program. But that fact doesnt answer the question: why would any organization charged with keeping a lid on nuclear proliferation allow that much fissile material to be kept by a bloodthirsty tyrant who had already demonstrated a desire to construct a nuclear weapon?
In an article that appeared in The American Thinker on July 20, 2004, Douglas Hanson draws some rather unflattering conclusions about the IAEA and their mission:
The actions, or more appropriately, the inactions of the IAEA regarding Iraq since the end of Gulf War I, betray the agencys true agenda. Rather than inspect, report, and implement restrictions in accordance with the provisions in the treaty, the agency has in effect become an enabler of rogue nations who are attempting, or who have already succeeded in developing or acquiring special nuclear material and equipment. In other words, the IAEA is simply a reflection of its parent organization, which routinely delays and obfuscates the efforts of the US and the UK in controlling banned substances and delivery systems.
Time after time, the agency has either intentionally or naively bought into the lies and deceptions contrived by nations of the Axis of Evil during IAEA visits and inspections. In most cases, the IAEA avoids confrontation like the plague in order to maintain access to the facilities. If they are booted out, as was the case with North Korea, their impotence is on display for all to see. In other cases, the agency joins in the deception, thereby allowing these rogue states to level the nuclear playing field with the West and Russia.
Clearly then, the IAEA was totally dependent on the sanctions to even carry out the limited inspections it was performing in the 1990s. But how long would the sanctions be in place?
It is an article of faith with critics of the war that Saddam was in a box and there was no need for an invasion to remove him. Its a pity that many of those critics have such a short memory because a review of what many of them were saying about the sanctions prior to September 11, 2001 would show that they were eager to lift the very same sanctions that they now claim was keeping Saddam in check.
Thanks to a remarkable propoganda program that included funeral processions of Iraqi babies whose dead bodies were used over and over again in macabre effort to make it appear that the death toll of infants was higher than it was, the world community was, by 2001, agitating for the lifting of sanctions on the Iraq economy. And while the lifting of economic sanctions would not have meant a lifting of the arms embargo, given the limited resources available to both The United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the IAEA as well as Iraqs demonstrated ability to impede, obstruct, and deceive inspectors, it stands to reason that the continuation of the arms embargo would have been a sham. Even with the embargo, the Dulfer Report showed that Saddams ability to evade the sanctions and purchase illicit weapons was extremely troubling.
All of this is important to remember when thinking about that 500 tons of yellow cake uranium sitting under seal at Al-Tuwaitha. How worried was the CIA that Saddam would someday be able to use that material to construct a bomb? That question goes to the heart of the current controversy over not just who may have outed a covert CIA operative, but whether the Administration was trying to discredit Mr. Wilson so that his charge that the White House manipulated intelligence to fool the American people into support for war would also be disbelieved.
Why would the White House want to discredit Mr. Wilson? Given that the Mr. Bush was in the midst of tight Presidential campaign, its obvious that politics had something to do with it. But the effort by the White House to push back against who Mr. Wilson was running interference for the CIA - was at bottom what this conflict has been about from the start.
From the time of the Presidents State of the Union in January of 2003 until Mr. Wilsons celebrated July Op-Ed in the New York Times in which he basically called the President of the United States a liar, the former Ambassador had been peddling his story of the Administration twisting pre war intelligence regarding efforts by Saddam to purchase uranium from Niger to reporters all over Washington, D.C. Wilson said as much in an interview with LA Weekly:
I spoke to a number of reporters over the ensuing months. Each time they asked the White House or the State Department about it, they would feign ignorance. I became even more convinced that I was going to have to tell the story myself.
This is where the yellow cake story became a club that the CIA could bash the Administration over the head with. Never mind that Saddam already had 500 tons of the stuff on hand just waiting for the world to turn its back so that it could be used to jump start his nuclear program. And since the intelligence regarding Saddams further efforts to purchase uranium was partially discredited, the Presidents opponents at the agency thought they saw an opening. Already under fire for missing the 9/11 plot thus making that tragedy the biggest intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor, the hyper sensitivity of the CIA to criticism would now manifest itself into an attack on its more vocal critics in the Administration.
One of the most underreported aspects of this scandal has been the hostility by a faction in the CIA toward the White House during the period following the discovery that weapons of mass destruction were not to be found in Iraq. This kind of bureaucratic infighting is usually too arcane a subject for most people to pay much attention to. However, in this case, there appears to be a measure of partisan politics on the part of CIA personnel thrown into the mix in addition to the very human impulse to shift blame for failure.
The Wall Street Journal commented on this conflict in an editorial on September 29 following a selective leak of a CIA report predicting post-war instability in Iraq. Not only was the leak a brazen attempt by the CIA to embarass the administration, but the fact that it came two days before the first debate between the President and Senator Kerry was evidence that this faction in the CIA was determined to affect the election.
In its editorial, the Journal noted the following about the CIAs war with the White House:
Keep in mind that none of these CIA officials were ever elected to anything, and that they are employed to provide accurate information to officials who present their policy choices for voter judgment. Yet what the CIA insurgents are essentially doing here, with their leaks and insubordination, is engaging in a policy debate. Given the timing of the latest leaks so close to an election, they are now clearly trying to defeat President Bush and elect John Kerry. Yet somehow the White House stands accused of politicizing intelligence?
The leaking of pre-war intelligence nuggets prior to the election in 2004 that showed the CIA in the best possible light by highlighting alternate analyses of Iraq WMD capabilities was a remarkable demonstration of partisanship by supposedly non-partisan bureaucrats. And while the partisanship was not necessarily due to any allegiance to the Democratic party on the part of the leakers, it did reveal a mind set that wished to establish a public record absolving the CIA of failure. The fact that the President would be hurt politically by the revelations was also a probable motive for the leaks.
Was Valerie Plame a part of this faction? In his column naming her as a CIA employee, Robert Novak describes her as an operative on weapons of mass destruction. Since most of the leaks coming from the CIA faction at war with the White House involved the analysis of the WMD threat from Iraq, its tempting to connect the dots and say that Plame was part of a group that wished to, at the very least, prove that the CIA was not as wrong about WMD in Iraq as some in the Administration were saying. At worst, Mrs. Wilson may have been a party to an effort to influence an election by trying to embarass the President.
And by connecting the dots between Mrs. Wilson and other agency rebels who sought to take down the President, doesnt this open up a whole slew of questions about Mr. Wilson? The former ambassador has been portraying himself as a whistleblower. What if he was an errand boy instead? Wilson, by virtue of his former employment at the State Department could be the perfect front man for a propoganda campaign by his wifes employer to shift blame for the WMD fiasco from the agencys incompetence to the neoconservative hawks and their rush to war.
Another question raised by this effort of the CIA to discredit the President is about the complaint filed with the Justice Department by the agency when Mrs. Wilson's "cover" was blown.
Having worked at CIA headquarters at Langely for nearly 6 years, the idea that any foreign intelligence service who wanted to find out wouldn't have known of Mrs Wilson's employment at the agency strains credulity. The turnoff from the highway into CIA headquarters is clearly marked. Is it possible that foreign spies could have observed Mrs. Wilson entering the complex at Langely over a six year period? Or, more likely, could they have gotten a hold of a list of agency personnel who work at Langely? Given the number of truly damaging revelations regarding traitors over the years, it seems logical to conclude that a list of employees at Langely could be in the hands of one or more foreign intelligence services. The filing of the complaint over the leak could then be seen in the context of further efforts by the CIA to get back at the Administration.
The question of whether or not Saddam wanted to purchase yellow cake uranium to augment his existing supply sitting in the Al-Tuwaitha facility, when viewed in the context of this White House-CIA conflict, becomes not a question of the CIA analyzing Saddams intentions but rather a question of the CIA attacking the Administrations intentions. The rationale for war given by the President goes far beyond any disputed effort by Saddam to buy uranium. But the only way to attack the Presidents motives is by concentrating solely and exclusively on the lack of WMD. And since its been widely reported that most western governments believed Saddam had a large stockpile of chemical and biological weapons prior to the invasion, the only possible line of attack by the Presidents opponents at CIA was the single reference to uranium found in the State of the Union address given by Bush in 2002.
Did the White House go overboard in its effort to push back against this effort by the CIA to discredit the President? At this point, its unclear if any laws even were broken by Karl Rove or anyone else in the White House. But however the scandal shakes out, it would be hard to argue that Plame, Wilson, or Rove acted honorably and in the best interests of the United States.
I agree with you that Fitzgerald is investigating Joe Wilson and I have said this during the past week or so on Free Republic. I do not know how to post articles, but if you can search on FR the thread about Colin Powell's testimony to the Grand Jury on Aug 9, 2004 (NEWSWEEK, you will see what I mean.
Toward the end of the article it says:
"Though most lawyers thought the investigation was nearly complete, sources say Fitzgerald has recently recalled witnesses before the grand jury---apparently to ask about issues raised by a new Senate intelligence committee report that seemed to contradict some of Wilson's public statements about Plame's role in his trip to Niger."
I think Fitzgerald is investigating Wilson and his Mrs and MAYBE why he had a sudden attack of conscience 18 months after his trip to Niger in Feb. 2002 and 4 months after the war started. You Know, after he became an adviser to the KERRY CAMPAIGN. Hell00000?
Also, about Wilson's testimony before the intelligence committee not only about his wife (which was a lie as the report states), but about those forged documents. I read that the report said he couldn't know about the report since it didn't come into U.S. possession unti 8 months after his trip to Niger. Wilson said when confronted about it that sometimes he uses a little literary flare. In other words, lies. I believe he DID see that report which was classified and it shown to him by his wife or they had something to do with it in the first place.
I think it was in a Howard Kurtz piece in the Washington Post in the past week that he says that appeals court judges of differing political parties has said the secret evidence that has been given to Judge Hogan by Fitzgerald has serious national security implications or something to that effect.
The only time Joe Wilson could have possibly seen those documents was when they were being 'forged,' if you tend to go with that theory.
They were not in United States possession until 8 months at least AFTER he went to Niger.
I remembered reading this a long time ago, and finally found the link:
"The 25-member group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, composed mostly of former CIA analysts along with a few operational agents, is urging employees inside the intelligence agency to break the law and leak any information they have that could show the Bush administration is engineering the release of evidence to match its penchant for war."
It was about that time we began seeing anonymous sources, i.e., the "ex-diplomat", a "former intelligence officer", etc., quoted in stories about cooked intelligence, forged papers, and missions at the behest of the Vice President.
When Rice, Cheney, and other officials denied seeing any such reports about forged documents, Wilson came out as the ex-diplomat and from that point on a bunch of indignant intelligence community people hailed him as a "whistleblower"--exactly as McGovern describes in the article.
There was a turning point after the SOTU address when Wilson began to call attention to the forgeries, even though he hadn't in interviews shortly afterward. I think this article is the turning point and marks about when the plan was hatched. I think that's why he gave completely contradictory interviews before and didn't dispute the SOTU 16 words until months later.
I don't think he is that smart
Perhaps Mrs. Wilson , or "Jane Bond" as her husband calls her, sent Mr. Wilson, aka Yellowcake Joe, over to Niger to STOP any talk about yellowcake.
Well, that's my point: that is the only point in time HE could have seen them; they weren't in our possession until eight months until after HE got back.
So he could have only seen them when 1) they were being forged, or 2) "Natasha" showed him TOP SECRET documents after they came into our possession.
Wonder which one he would prefer to be charged with?
Ding! Ding! Ding! Move to the head of the class.
"I don't think he is that smart."
I've always thought he was being used by these people. I originally thought he cooked it up with them, but after the way he acted the following year, I started to wonder if THEY were the ones fooled by him--if he was going on about his trip to them and saying that he'd reported there was nothing, etc. And then they got burned when it turned out what he actually reported.
Wilson claims the first time he saw them is when Andrea Mitchell presented them to him after his famous article. He maintained he didn't read them then, or ever.
Well, why not? If a reporter had them, isn't he a tad bit curious? What explains his rigid answers and actions.
The reason is quite simple.
Valerie told him about the reports in early 2002, might have shown him the documents when acquired.
She's not supposed to discuss such things, or take home homework. Wilson has to keep that possibility out of question lest she lose her job.
Was it you that sponsored the French theory of planted fakes?
How about this scenario. France planted them with the Italians. But in later discussions with the Americans realized the Italians only forwarded reports of the documents. This was unsatisfactory for the set-up. The French needed to get the actual documents in American hands, so they used an Italian reporter and had her deliver them to American Embassy in Italy.
regarding a 1998 trip by Gabon President Omar Bongo to the United States. Apparently, the Gabonese hired Wilsons second wife Jacqueline as a lobbyist in support of the trip. Another who worked with her was the famous Pierre Salinger
"-In 1985 Wilson returned to the USA to work in Tom Foleys and Al Gores offices. He married Jacqueline in 1986."
Text of CIA Director George Tenet's statement
CIA's counter-proliferation experts, on their own initiative, asked an individual with ties to the region to make a visit to see what he could learn. He reported back to us that one of the former Nigerien (sic) officials he met stated that he was unaware of any contract being signed between Niger and rogue states for the sale of uranium during his tenure in office. The same former official also said that in June 1999 a businessman approached him and insisted that the former official meet with an Iraqi delegation to discuss "expanding commercial relations" between Iraq and Niger. The former official interpreted the overture as an attempt to discuss uranium sales. The former officials also offered details regarding Niger's processes for monitoring and transporting uranium that suggested it would be very unlikely that material could be illicitly diverted. There was no mention in the report of forged documents -- or any suggestion of the existence of documents at all.
Because this report, in our view, did not resolve whether Iraq was or was not seeking uranium from abroad, it was given a normal and wide distribution, but we did not brief it to the President, Vice-President or other senior Administration officials. We also had to consider that the former Nigerien officials knew that what they were saying would reach the U.S. government and that this might have influenced what they said.
This is what I heard, no documentation to support it:
The forgeries were used as a back-up because the real intel that supported the report was not supposed to be given to us, not authorized by the 3rd party (France?) to be shown to us. So the forgeries weren't really looked into that closely because we had the other intel and weren't relying on those documents. When called on it, we had to say we'd used the forgeries because we weren't supposed to have seen the real intel.
The only problem with that is that the forged document came into our poisession after his trip. The Btits are the ones who said Saddam had sent a team of high ranking Military and Intelligence officials to Niger to talk about trade between the two countries. Since Niger has no real trade other than Uranium Oxide and Livestock, and it's doubtful that Saddam would send a Military deligation to negotiate a livestock trade deal with Niger
I think Wilson planned to trumpet his role, via the Niger trip. The publicity of the Niger document forgery issue developed later. To his demerit, he coopted himself into the workings of how they were proved forgeries, giving himself a central role. But he had no role in that.
So instead of nefarious part in planting/formulating the documents, his motive was egomaniacal.
Once again, I link you all to THIS post of ravingnutter's.
READ IT ALL, even the sources:
I'll take responsibility.
The French needed to get the actual documents in American hands, so they used an Italian reporter and had her deliver them to American Embassy in Italy.
To work, the actual documents must be exposed, yes. But now I wonder if Bill Burkett might've had something to do with this...
"The only problem with that is that the forged document came into our poisession after his trip"
I'll be clearer. If he's hiding that wifey blabbed to him (and they seem talkative) it could be multiple occassions. First, that she told him details about the Italian reports before the trip and second, about the hard documents themselves after the CIA received them.
I think this is plausible.
What was Andrea Mitchell doing with them?
I'm gonna send you a FR Mail in a sec
She was having a rendezvous with Karl Rove.
What I don't understand is why NOBODY in the MSM is talking about this.
They were posted on the U.N.'s website as part of the public report submitted to the U.N. by Powell
"The Italian reports did not exist before his trip"
I believe there were reports sourced to the forgeries presented to the US by Italy, or another country. Recall Valerie's "crazy report" statement to Joe before the trip.
Joe said, get me a plane!
I think she's spilled her guts to him since the third date when she blew her own cover to him.
That is GOOD to know!
I am going to catch hell for this again, but I heard that that "memo" was floating around Foggy Bottom for at least a month before Powell carried it on Air Force One.
And I still say HE is the biggest self-serving leaker in D.C.
"What was Andrea Mitchell doing with them?"
I've asked that for two years.
Perhaps the answer is MJY1288's, that the documents were posted on a UN website related to its report on the documents.
I find that surprising. I've never heard they were posted and if they were I would think copies would be all over the internet.
It was a public report just like his presentation
Oh oh................
I believe they were posted on the State Dept's website as well. They had names of Niger officials who were dead before the date of their signature
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