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Skip to comments.Yale's David Blight Blames Slavery on Burkean Conservatism
Posted on 09/25/2013 3:24:13 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus
Chapter 3. Slavery for the Sake of Social Stability [00:23:54]
Now, how is slavery defended? In many ways, to say the least. But I want to give you at least some sense of the development of the pro-slavery argument, the kinds of arguments that were used, how they changed over time, who made the arguments. Now, the best way to begin to understand pro-slavery ideology, whether we're in the early period of its defense in the 1820s actually, a quite virulent defense of slavery begins early, it isn't something that just sprung from Southern pens in the 1850s during all this expansion, it comes very early. But a framework in which to understand it is that pro-slavery ideology was, at its heart, a kind of deeply conservative, organic worldview. And by that I mean a Burkean conservatism, a set of beliefs that says the world is ordered as it is, for reasons, and that human beings ought not tinker with that order, very much. It was a set of beliefs in the sustenance of a social order as it is. It was a belief in a hierarchical conception of not only society, but of people. That people were conceived, whether by nature or by God or even by evolution, with a certain order to them; some born to do this and some born to do that and some born to do that. It's an organic conception of the world. It just is the way it is. It's natural. Remember back to Alexander H. Steven's cornerstone quote he uses the word "natural" twice in that passage.
This worldview had, of course, an obsession with stability. It's one of the reasons white Southerners didn't like reformers. It's one of the reasons Abolitionists are dangerous. What are Abolitionists calling for? Upsetting the social order. They're offering a critique of the social order, and they even have the audacity to talk about good and evil. It's a worldview often obsessed, as we said last time, with notions of honor and duty. And it's a worldview deeply rooted in the idea or respect for tradition; tradition and social control. In this worldview, institutions human institutions evolve only slowly over time and cannot be altered by abrupt human interventions. It's dangerous to abruptly intervene in the evolution of human institutions.
Now, think what's at stake here in this worldview, especially as we transition next Thursday to a developing though by no means unanimous or homogenous northern worldview in which reform impulses get embedded. White Southern defenders of slavery were to some extent like other Americans products of the Enlightenment. Some of them come to really believe in intellect. They really do come to believe in the power of reason, of human beings to figure out the universe. But to figure it out in different ways. You can be a product of the Enlightenment and still be deeply conservative. You can be a product of the Enlightenment, with a faith in reason, and not become a Romantic who begins to believe in the possibilities of man, or even the perfectibility of man. Conservativism deep organic forms of Conservativism is not antithetical to the Enlightenment, at least not entirely. Although pro-slavery writers will become deeply contemptuous of Natural Law of Natural Law doctrine as it can be applied to the possibilities of man.
Many of them will argue, therefore, that ideas like freedom and that idea of liberty, so much at stake in the age of the American Revolution and falling off everybody's tongue, and eventually falling off their tongues and off their pens as well, what they're fighting for by 1861 were their liberties, they said, over and over and over and over again. But in their worldview, the pro-slavery worldview, ideas like freedom and liberty were simply never absolutes, and many of them will directly reverse Thomas Jefferson's Declaration of Independence and simply say, "Nobody is born equal." They will argue over and over and over again some of them almost in a feudalistic way that freedom must always be balanced with order, and that order is rooted in certain kinds of prescribed stations in life, for the various statuses of humans. Or freedom, they will argue, must be balanced with tradition. The possibilities of freedom must always, in their view, be balanced with the world as it as not as it ought to be. They are, therefore, going to have an extremely different point of view from at least Abolitionists in the North on this concept of equality. Although a lot of Abolitionists had their struggles with this one too. Southern pro-slavery defenders are much more likely to stress a human's duty, than they're ever to stress a human's rights. They believed the world was made up of a struggle between human autonomy, on the one hand, and human dependency on the other, and you should never give up on that dependency.
As early as 1826 an important pro-slavery writer named Edward Brown argued that "Slavery," he said, quote: "had ever been the stepping ladder by which nations have passed from barbarism to civilization." There you have the roots and the kernel of the so-called "positive good thesis" about slavery. That slavery was a way in which you sustained a social order, a way in which you built an economy, a way in which you maximized the possibilities of those who deserved it, by using those who did not deserve the same fruits.
Pro-slavery writers, you have to understand, had also a really often a fundamentally different conception of history itself, or of how history happens, than will many eventually northern anti-slavery writers even, eventually, the political anti-slavery folks like an Abraham Lincoln, who was never a real abolitionist but did at least grow up with anti-slavery in his heart. Thomas R. Dew, a very important pro-slavery writer, who wrote a whole book in the wake of the state of Virginia's debates in 1831 and '32 over whether to re-write its Constitution. And they squarely faced the question of a gradual abolition plan for the state of Virginia in 1831 and '32. They had been planning to rewrite their Constitution an extraordinary turning point in Southern history. The problem was, of course, Nat Turner's Insurrection; it had just occurred in October of 1831 and they held these debates in the wake of it. And Dew wrote a forceful defense of slavery in the wake of this, which became kind of a seminal text for all future pro-slavery writers. Among the many things he said, and that was the simple sense of how history happens. "There is a time for all things," wrote Dew, "and nothing in this world should be done before its time." Now, what would you do if your parents told you that? They probably have. What would you do if your professors told you that all the time? "Stop trying to change things. Nothing will change before its time." You'd probably get bored, or angry. Or who knows? Maybe you would just agree. I don't know. Youth are supposed to be impatient.
What Burke is he referring to... Edmund Burke was an abolitionist!
They have very little integrity.
And of course there was no slavery before Burke. /s
Bllght is correctly named.
Maybe Billie Burke-Glenda, the Good Witch of the North
Idiot. First, you are correct, Burke was an abolitionist. Second, that is a misrepresentation of his point of view, which was that present social arrangements often contain non-obvious but beneficial elements that you lose when you change the arrangements. And that sometimes the unintended consequences are worse than the condition you're trying to address. (Reflections on the Revolution in France).
There is nothing in this that implies a defense of slavery and it is outrageously disingenuous to imply that there is.
The whole first paragraph is bunk and is actually quite communist in description of the world, not conservative at all and certainly not Burkean!!
I'll be honest...I couldn't even bother to get past that first paragraph of such drivel as this.
Like Aristotle, Burke believed that man is by nature a social animal. Therefore, he rejected every political theory of the origins of society based on the a priori assumption of a primitive or pre-civil state of nature, such as those propounded by Thomas Hobbes, John Locke, and Jean-Jacques Rousseau. He refuted them with the aphorism, Art is mans nature. Theories based upon a supposed state of nature were to Burke the fairy land of philosophy. They were highly dangerous because they ignored history and opened the door to ideological, abstract speculations that substituted for the facts of history fictions that were then taken for reality in practical politics. Social contract theories invariably conceived of society as consisting of so many isolated and self-sufficient individuals rather than corporate human beings living in organized communities. Burke was aware that for the corporate conception of man Hobbes had substituted monarchical will, Locke majority will, and Rousseau collective will, and that all of them ended by replacing community with some form of collectivism. http://www.firstprinciplesjournal.com/articles.aspx?article=695
Oh look. A Blight at Yale.
Burke's plan for gradual abolition of the slave trade and slavery.
ah, Slavery started and still going on because blacks and islamics sell and buy humans they consider property
I've never had this much time on my hands, thank God.
To be fair to the author, he is saying that southern apologists for slavery used (their interpretation of) Burkean conservatism to justify slavery as a positive good. This is quite true.
However, opponents of slavery and particularly its moderate opponents like Lincoln, also appealed to Burkean conservatism, and IMO more appropriately.
That sounds a lot like another pro-slavery 19th-century writer:
Karl Marx.
One need not get over zealous with the philosophy of slavery when greed serves as the first principle. There was a need for cheap labor, and there was a means of supplying that need. Moral justifications came along to fit the circumstances, kind of like what we've done to justify illegal immigration, or what the left does to preserve the welfare plantation. In place of agriculture insert the politics of Socialism, the continued growth of the Democratic Party.
Yale gave degrees to the Hillabeast and Bubba.
No more needs to be said about any clown they chose to be a "professor".
(Science, technology, and math departments excluded, of course.)
Here's another thing:
This "scholar," sitting on his ass in an air-conditioned office, simply cannot grasp what "upsetting the social order" meant for most of the people in the US at that time. It meant food and shelter, livelihoods built over generations...
Slavery is just the next level of socialism
That's one POWERFUL man!
That's OLD SCHOOL SLAVERY. What about NEW SCHOOL SLAVERY like what the democrats have over the poor blacks through entitlement government programs. Ask old David about that one.
He's saying that slaveowners and supporters of slavery used Burkean arguments in their defense of slavery. Then or now, people get arguments wherever they can find them when they try to defend what they take to be their vital material interests.
Lincoln and the Whig Party he belonged to were themselves conservative in very real ways, and when you consider all the talk in Charleston about the "Revolution of 1860 [or 1861]" it's clear that on can't really describe slavery, its supporters, and their actions wholly as Burkean or conservative developments.
And just as his own reference to Nat Turner reminds us, mayhem and violent death. The ready spectre of genocide made upsetting the social order a bit risky.
The integrity issue is the key. Their worldview is a lie from the Master of Lies.
I find it amusing that slavery was justified by economics and need to preserve the social order when slavery put a limit on the development of skilled labor, and all slave owning societies had a justified fear of revolt. Also one of the most jealously guarded privileges of slave owners was the ability to command sexual favors.
Indeed. The pro-slavery apologists were radicals, which is why Davis did not include them in his government.
The reason almost EVERY academic dealing with this period ignores Fitzhugh is obvious: his argument is exactly accurate. Slavery is communism, and communism, slavery.
Unlike earlier indentured servitude, where slaves were like part of an extended family, learning trades in return for debt and labor, the Slavery in early America was more like animal husbandry, and keeping the herd under control to perform its function. Plantation owners weren't interested in developing skilled labor. Lucky was the slave who got domestic duty, or something requiring more than brute labor.
They are all orgasmic over the idea of slavery to the state.
Democrats never pass up on opportunity to tell us why slavery by the state is for our own protection and our own safety, because life under the anarchy that conservatives want to impose is just too risky and dangerous. We can't have any of that inhumane "on-your-own economics" that conservatives advocate.
Thereby proving that you no longer have to be black to be an Uncle Tom.
Uh, how does this dim-bulb explain the slavery in Pharoah's Egypt, or anywhere else, for that matter, before black tribal chiefs sold their prisoners, from other tribes, to Arab and Portuguese slave traders, so they could bring them to the US.
Once again, a liberal (as usual) fails to do his homework. The writer, while trying to condemn conservatism ends up justifying anarchy. He really doesn't know what Burke thinks. Like Reagan said, it's not that liberals are ignorant, it's that most of what they know isn't true.
The southern revolution, or perhaps counter-revolution, was intensely conservative, in that they were trying to preserve and protect a way of life.
The problem is that the particular way of life they were trying to conserve was at its base anti-American, since it was based on rejection of the core principle of America, that all men are created equal.
So while it was conservative, it wasn't American conservatism in any but a geographical sense.
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Marc Jacobs has been known to pull out all stops for his runway beauty, and with custom-cut wigs — and a huge nail polish surprise [1] — he didn't disappoint for Fall 2013. Lead stylist Guido (for Redken) turned every model into a brunette, cutting each girl's hair into a punk pixie backstage. And makeup artist François Nars put his focus on a dark eye makeup look that featured just a touch of shine.
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To complement the hair, Nars darkened the brows so that they wouldn't disappear behind the long bangs. He left the girls' skin on the paler side with a bit of sculpting on the cheeks.
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Welcome to SportsNation! On Tuesday, NBA reporter Michael Wallace stops by to chat about the latest news from around the league.
In addition to writing about the NBA, Wallace is also a frequent contributor to the "Heat Index" and the TrueHoop Network. Prior to working for ESPN, Wallace spent more than a decade covering the ACC, SEC, NFL and the NBA for other publications.
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Michael Wallace (3:02 PM)
Thanks for joining me for this first playoff edition of the weekly chat. Glad to be here with you. We've already seen some very intriguing games just a couple of days into the postseason. And there's also been plenty of news developments throughout the league as well. Let's get straight to your questions and takes.
Jerry (Portland)
Why do people call Patrick Beverly a good defender? Besides tearing Westbrooke's knee he has stopped nobody of importance...
Michael Wallace (3:04 PM)
I believe Beverley is a really good defender and a headache for opponents to deal with because he's a bit insane on the court. His emotions and style can be over the top at times, but he plays with all heart and hustle. Houston is a much better team when he's on the court.
Cincy (Lincoln Park)
IMO - I think the most improved player award should go to someone who made unexpected improvements. Maybe Anthony David made the jump faster than most expected, but we did see this coming. I think the award should go to a player like Taj and Dragic who both made big improvements to their games at unlikely points in their careers. Taj went from an offensive liability to now getting double teamed on the post and averaging over 20 ppg when he starts. Dragic is scoring more with much better efficiency at 50/40 (most players efficiency goes down when they take on a larger offensive burden)? Thoughts?
Michael Wallace (3:05 PM)
I agree to an extent. But if we base it on your philosophy there, the league's most improved player would be Gerald Green. I mean, who saw that coming?
Josh (Chicago)
Why does the league feel the need to throw a technical at any player that shows emotion? As a fan, I want to see the player trying their hardest and getting emotionally into the game. If someone makes a huge play, I get pumped up and scream ? but the player can?t??
Michael Wallace (3:06 PM)
There is plenty of room for emotion in the game. But it shouldn't get to the point of obvious taunting or showing up an opponent. These are highly charged games and moments in the playoffs. The refs have a hard enough job as it is. There are certain ways to express that emotion without it getting too technical, if you know what I'm saying.
Cincy (Lincoln Park)
I can hardly sand to watch James Harden. He routinely flails he head back and arm out and every shot attempt. It is ruining the game when you can tell his number one goal most of the time is to draw and foul rather than make a shot.
Michael Wallace (3:07 PM)
Harden ranks among the league's leaders in free-throw attempts, so his antics are working well. He's also one of the most difficult players to defend because of his skillset and crafty play. He's an And-1 waiting to happen.
Keith (FL)
Is Hibbert Overrated? Besides that Miami series last year, what has he done?
Michael Wallace (3:10 PM)
The Miami series the past two years show what kind of potential this guy has. But at some point, you have to show some production to justify that potential. Hibbert is in a daze right now. He's always had confidence and psychological challenges with the game. It's pretty much now or never in terms of whether he will break through this and overcome those issues to reach the elite level of play he has in him.
Bob (Washington, D.C. )
Are the wizards the 2nd most talented team in the east right now, if so why are they never brought up as a possible destination for big name free agents, I would think the back court of wall and beal would be inviting to come play with
Michael Wallace (3:13 PM)
And I think the Wizards are in the midst of their coming-out party right now, especially if they can pull off the series win against Chicago. That team has all the pieces needed to be a real dark horse in the East. But will they be satisfied with just getting a win in Chicago, or will they get greedy and try to put the Bulls completely against the wall and shock the NBA? That's what I need to find out about these Wizards before I'm really ready to annoint them as a major force in the East.
randy (ca)
Will we see closer games in the Warriors Clippers match up ala game 1. Or will we see a more clear cut dominance from clippers for rest of the series.
Michael Wallace (3:15 PM)
I think we see the Warriors answer with everything they have in Game 3. But they do have some obvious matchup problems with the Clippers that were exposed last night. Golden State doesn't have the depth to make this a truly physical series. They have to rely on their shooting, skill and speed as much as possible.
Rah-Steam (Hackensack, N.J.)
I know how talented he is but if they somehow lost in 1st or 2nd round, do you think OKC would consider trading Westbrook? A pass 1st pg can't be the best pairing of possibly the best scorer in NBA history IMO.
Michael Wallace (3:17 PM)
I'm sure you meant a "shoot first" point guard. But the Thunder are a tough squad to read when it comes to trades and roster moves. They are loyal to the guys they draft and develop, for the most part. And they've locked in with Westbrook and Durant for better or worse. Let's see how this series plays out and revisit.
Bill (Kharkov, Ukraine)
Did Dallas expose San Antonio a bit? I mean by staying home on the shooters and switching on everything they opened up "mismatches" that invited Parker and Duncan to score in the paint. Yet, the rest of that deadly team was not involved. Given the mileage on Duncan and Parker, it's reasonable to expect that if they have to do all the heavy lifting, they'll wear down. It might not be enough to save the Mavs but surely the Clippers, Thunder and Heat must like what they see in Rick Carlisle's scheme. Thanks for answering.
Michael Wallace (3:18 PM)
I'll go as far as to say that Dallas had it figured out for the better part of three and a half quarters. But San Antonio is a team that finish down the stretch as well as blow teams out. You have to beat them for 48 minutes in order to really beat them. It will be interesting to see how Dallas comes out in Game 2.
Mitch (NC)
Are the Bobcats set up to improve over the next couple years?
Michael Wallace (3:20 PM)
Absolutely. These next two seasons will really tell us how committed Michael Jordan is as an owner to putting together a contending team in the East. The window is there. Chicago could be a team in transition this offseason, Indiana might implode, Brookyn is in a win-now mode and Miami has some very tough decisions to make moving forward. There's a chance for teams like Washington, Charlotte and a healthy Atlanta team to make up some ground in the East in the next couple of years by making smart moves.
Frank (GA)
Do the Hawks have a legit chance to beat the Pacers? If so, what kind of chance do they have going forward?
Michael Wallace (3:22 PM)
No disrespect to the Hawks. But the Pacers have a legit shot at beating the Pacers. We've seen them do a bang-up job on themselves for the better part of two months now. The Hawks are a scrappy, nothing-to-lose sort of team. But let's not forget that it was only a couple of weeks ago when they were in the midst of losing something like 23 of 30 games.
Olin (Florida)
Best coach for the Pistons? Hollins or Karl?
Michael Wallace (3:23 PM)
Between Hollins, Karl, Woodson and the Van Gundy brothers, there are some great potential candidates out there for jobs.
James (Seattle )
Who has the most unguardable shot in the league? I'm taking Dirk's one leg fadeaway.
Michael Wallace (3:23 PM)
Yes, it's either that or Steph Curry's pull-up from anywhere in the building.
Shawn (Detroit)
If you were Steve Kerr, wouldn't you wait a few weeks to see what more attractive coaching jobs open up? (Houston, Golden St. and maybe OKC)
Michael Wallace (3:25 PM)
No, you lock in with Phil, get the job security you need by being his handpicked guy and relatively no pressure to finish any higher than fourth in the East. Just getting the Knicks into the playoffs might get you in the Coach of the Year running and a contract extension.
Carlos (TX)
Are we being too hard on Paul George? Did we forget he's not even 25 yet.
Michael Wallace (3:26 PM)
Kevin Durant is also that age, and has kept it together pretty well. He's also been to the Finals and won mutiple scoring titles. Yes, George is a different player, but he has that kind of talent and potential. The question is will he get out of his own way and allow it to manifest as quickly as possible?
Michael, please tell me why the knicks should bring back melo? i feel in my opinion hes a great scorer but we not an elite player. Don't see him ever bringing the Knicks a championship. isnt it best to move forward without him? 2015 is coming!
Michael Wallace (3:28 PM)
I think he's an elite player. I don't, however, think he does as much as he could to make his teammates better. We're getting to the point where Melo needs to get desperate and take his game up one more level. If he doesn't, there's nothing wrong with being grouped in there with Barkley, Dominique and Karl. But even Barkley and Karl at least got to the NBA Finals.
T (Toronto)
Not trying to be judgmental, just collecting data --- how many non-Heat Raptors games have you watched this year?
Michael Wallace (3:30 PM)
I'd say I've watched at least every team play at least 15 times this year. At the very least.
Josh (Dade)
Michael, do you think the Bulls' "obsession" with the Heat (and to a lesser extent, the Pacers) causes them to lose focus when they play somebody other than those two teams? Washington probably has more talent across the board, but I cannot imagine the Bulls ever letting up for a second in a playoff game against Miami or Indiana like they did the other day.
Michael Wallace (3:32 PM)
Sometimes, it just comes down to having the players you need to make shots at the end of close games in the fourth quarter. This is not a new challenge for the Bulls. But they're facing a team in Washington that has multiple scoring options in that stretch, a veteran bench and two bigs who can put pressure on Noah in the paint. This isn't about obsession with the Heat or Pacers. This is about having your hands full right now with the team in front of you.
Ash (Chicago)
I know it's early to say, but what do you see being the best lineup move that Spoelstra can make if the Heat face the Nets in the next round? Other than Dwade playing, is there a chess move you can see that would help the Heat counter what is clearly a matchup problem with Brooklyn? Thanks!
Michael Wallace (3:32 PM)
Way, way too early for that one. Check back with me when the second-round series are set. Toronto is still very much in this series against the Nets.
Phil (Reston, VA)
There has been a lot of talk about the unproven Steve Kerr coachig in NYC. But don't you think Phil is savvy enough to wait and see happens in the Bay Area first. The local Boy returning home to resurrect the Knicks is box office and would create s buzz around the team , don't you think?
Michael Wallace (3:34 PM)
That local boy/box office impact stuff only works for so long. Remeber Marbury? Remember Melo? Remember Meta? The Knicks made their PR move by landing Phil. Now there has to be proof of some more substance to go with all that style and buzz.
Jacob (Fresno)
Game 1, bad calls for both Clips and Dubs. Game 2, Clips get all the calls. Game 3, does it even out and do the DUbs get the calls that game? if yes, then maybe the rest of the series can be called evenly.
Michael Wallace (3:35 PM)
Or, the players can decide the outcome of these games and limit, as much as possible, the impact of the officiating.
Jack (Charlotte)
Best landing spot for Melo that's not New York?
Michael Wallace (3:36 PM)
Somehow, some way, Dallas.
JA (Springfield)
Why do you think the NBA chose to single out one call in the Rockets/Blazers opener when the whole game was rife with poor/missed calls. To me it seems as if they are opening themselves to favoritism jeers when they do this instead of acknowledging poor officiating in general
Michael Wallace (3:38 PM)
I agree that these issued statements on officiating mishaps might only make matters worse, especially if there's no residual punishment or corrective measure taken. As I tweeted last night (@wallacenba_espn for the shameless plug) what the NBA is doing is stating the obvious. We already know the refs miss a few or make a few bad calls each game.
Ben (New Orleans)
What do you believe was the key to Memphis winning the game last night? And do you believe they have the talent to defeat the Thunder?
Michael Wallace (3:41 PM)
I thought the key was a better use of the bench and not wearing out the starters. I also do believe Memphis can win this series. I didn't pick that to happen. But I also said coming in that Memphis and Dallas would be dangerous because they've been playing playoff basketball for the better part of three weeks leading into the postseason. OKC and San Antonio would be able to simply ease their way into these series.
Lane (Kukuihaele, HI)
It's not a playoff question but here goes. Now that Rick Adleman has announced his retirement could Rick Pitino be a candidate to replace him? Rick's son is the head coach of the U of Minn. His former center Dieng is there. Kevin Love is there. Corey Brewer who played for Billy Donavan, a former Pitino assistant is also there. Pitino has a lot of former assistants at big college programs and "feeder" programs are in place. In your opinion is Pitino as T-wolves head coach a possibility???
Michael Wallace (3:44 PM)
You have the whole six degrees of seperation thing going there. But it's up to Rick. He's done the NBA thing and didn't really enjoy it all that much as he thought he would. He has nothing else to prove on the NBA level. If he came back, I don't think it would be to take a rebuilding job that might be three or four years away from title contention, with the star player possibly leaving next year.
Greg (2013)
Before we declare anything about the Wizards/Bulls series lets not forget the Nets blowout win in game 1 last year.
Michael Wallace (3:45 PM)
Agree. No one is declaring anything. That's why the Bulls-Wizards, to me, is the most intriguing series in the first round of the playoffs. And there are some very intriguing series across the board, so that's saying something.
Jeff (Tampa, FL)
How crucial is a productive and healthy postseason to the future of Dwyane Wade as well as the Big 3 in South Beach?
Michael Wallace (3:47 PM)
Heat owner Micky Arison went on a radio show yesterday and essentially said he believes there's a 100 percent chance things stay in place next season with Wade, LeBron and Bosh. All three players have suggested they want to remain in Miami, or can't really see right now why they wouldn't be here moving forward. Until that changes, I don't know what else to base it on. Wade being healthy throughout the playoffs would go a long way in establishing the confidence of the team and fan base in him moving ahead.
Devin (NY)
Does LBJ have another MVP in him? Injuries/age factor in perhaps...
Michael Wallace (3:48 PM)
I don't see a huge drop-off coming for LeBron for at least a few more years. That said, Durant has already caught up in the MVP race and Blake Griffin, Anthony Davis and James Harden won't be too far behind soon.
Lee (Oregon)
In regards to your Patrick Beverly comment above, does heart and hustle mean pulling, grabbing, bending the rules of the game?
Michael Wallace (3:50 PM)
He's got five fouls to get away with doing whatever it takes for him to do his job until he's disqualified. He's an aggressive player who doesn't back down and uses any edge he can get. His a smaller Rodman and Artest/Metta in that regard. If he's on your team, you love it. If he's playing against your team, he's the dirtiest player in the league. I get it.
Tommy (Chicago)
Would Boozer, Dunleavy, the Bulls two first-round picks this draft, and two future first-round picks (one being Sacramento's) be almost enough to get Melo if it's that or the Knicks lose him for nothing? I feel like 4 picks is better than nothing
Michael Wallace (3:51 PM)
Call me dumb, but I wouldn't give up that if I'm the Bulls. And I'm not even sure I'd take that if I'm the Knicks.
Jesse (Omaha)
What is your take on the Jazz coaching situation? Who do you think they should go after - known name or unproven newbie?
Michael Wallace (3:54 PM)
It's a shame, but they missed out on Hornacek by a year. He would have been great there. I think they have to go young with a coach that's willing to take time - and be given time - to grow with this team a bit. This team is not a quick-fix away from getting back into the thick of the conference title race. Ultimately, I'm a fan of giving it back to Jerry Sloan and letting him go out on his own terms, the right way this time.
Jonathan (Wilmington)
Is Amare's contract still the most untradeable in the NBA?
Michael Wallace (3:55 PM)
Not anymore. There's only a year left on it, I believe. So it's essentially an expiring contract that could get some other teams out of longer-term bad deals they're in now.
Toby (Vegas)
Will there ever be a NBA Team in Vegas?
Michael Wallace (3:56 PM)
They'd be next in line after Seattle, as far as I'm concerned.
Shawn (Detroit)
Michael, you just said New York and no pressure in the same sentence...Don't you think if Kerr doesn't start well all of NY is going to be asking for Phil to comedown and coach??
Michael Wallace (3:57 PM)
They can ask for it all they want. But if I'm Kerr, I'm asking for a five-year contract to give me the leverage needed to get through the rebuild.
Dominick (Al)
Do you think the pacers regret not getting the second seed? Seems like the better match ups by far
Michael Wallace (3:58 PM)
It wouldn't matter. They're losing to themselves right now. It doesn't matter which side of the bracket you're on if you can't seem to get out of your own way.
Ben (New orleans)
How will Kobe an Derrick rose recover next year? Will they resume how they were playing before injury?
Michael Wallace (4:01 PM)
Rose is now two knee surgeries in right now. He's younger, so you have to believe he'd have a better shot of returning to form. Kobe's had several breakdowns physically the past few years. The one thing they have in common is that their days of being the absolute best player on their team might be over. They need help.
Michael Wallace (4:01 PM)
And on that note, my time is up folks. Thanks for all of the questions and takes. I look forward to chatting again next week. Until then, take care and peace - MW.
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The 85-year-old Pope Benedict XVI has put church leaders on notice that they can't avoid social media like Facebook and Twitter. The pope tweets in nine languages, with 2.5 million followers, including 11,000 who follow his tweets in Latin. The pope understands that social media are a daily part of many people's lives and have reshaped the dynamics of communications and relationships. A study commissioned by the U.S. Catholic bishops in 2012 indicated that 53 percent of Americans weren't aware that the Catholic Church has an online presence (AP).
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President Obama chose former senator Chuck Hagel as his next secretary of defense because they both have an aversion to war, says journalist Bob Woodward. They both think that the U.S. intervention in Afghanistan was bungled and that the invasion of Iraq was unnecessary. Hagel thinks foreign policy should come from the White House, not the Defense Department. Hagel taught a course at Georgetown University called Redefining Geopolitical Relationships. He believes that the Iraq war made Iran the strongest country in the region, and he worries that Iraq will become an Iranian satellite. A veteran of the Vietnam War, he contends that the U.S. needs to avoid massive land wars (Washington Post, January 27).
Traditional Islamic law made a distinction between Shari'a (divine law) and fiqh (human articulation of that law). Islamic law is humble, holding that no human being can absolutely know God's law (Shari'a); it is also pluralistic, allowing for different interpretations. Premodern Islamic governments recognized this distinction and allowed for a variety of interpretations of fiqh, respecting different Islamic legal schools. The enactment of Shari'a in Muslim-majority states today blurs this distinction. These Muslim states are a modern mutation owing much to the European nation-state model. Americans shouldn't be concerned when Muslims want to live according to Shari'a, for that doesn't mean they want the state to rule by it (Asifa Quraishi-Landes, "Sharia and Diversity: Why Americans Are Missing the Point," Institute for Social Policy and Understanding report).
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Zavial Beach Accommodation
The Zavial Beach Accommodation is located 300 meters from Zavial beach, 20 kms from Lagos, and 10 kms from Sagres.
Excellent for holidays in direct contact with nature, and at the same time close to the night life of Lagos and Sagres.
Come and visit the Zavial Beach Accommodation, close to zavial beach which is famous for its excellent surfing conditions.
We are located within the Costa Vicentina and Sudoeste Alentejano Nature Park, right in the heart of the country side, situated in a prime location, with cozy and comfortable accommodation.
Indoor and outdoor socializing and leisure areas, where you can enjoy the pool with sea view.
The Zavial Beach Accommodation is a small complex of houses, situated on a hill above the beach, with beautiful views!
In two of the houses, we provide shared rooms, two-story houses, both with balconies and stunning views of the natural park and zavial beach. The houses stand side by side, and function like a small community of 10 persons.
One of the shared houses is for 6 persons, with a bunk bed on the ground floor and two on the first floor, and the second house is for 4 persons, with two single beds, a bunk bed and a generous balcony facing the sunrise. In this house, the ground floor is a common area of the accommodation, with cable TV, DVD`s player, sound system, games, books and computers with internet connection.
We also have a private studio for 2 + 1 persons, with double bed and sofa bed, by the pool with a fantastic view.
And for families or groups of friends, we have two larger private houses, up to 6 persons each.
A one bedroom house, but very spacious with two double beds and a bunk bed, and a two bedroom house, with a double bed and two bunk beds.
All houses are equipped with kitchen, outdoor leisure space, TV, DVD`s player, and radio.
Come and enjoy the beach and the countryside, in one place! We are waiting for you at ZBA!
The check-in is between 15:00 and 20:00, to check-in at different schedule, previous notification is required.
The check-out is until 12:00.
We have a low cost private transfer, for check-in and check-out.
Between the months of March and October, the ZBA offers direct contact for surfing lessons on the South and West Coasts of Portugal.
With certified and competent instructors, who provide, transportation, lessons and equipment.
We also provide direct contact to rent and buy surf equipment.
By prior arrangement, we can provide transport to the beaches where you want to surf, as well as guided kayak tours in Lagos, to admire the famous and beautiful cliffs, caves and hidden beaches, and organize mountain bike rides, and trekking on the west coast.
Our goal is to provide all our guests, holidays full of joy and pleasure!
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Hostel Facilities & Policies
- Bicycle hire
- Bicycle parking
- Board Games
- Book Exchange
- Breakfast Not Included
- Cable TV
- Common Room
- Cooker
- Cots available
- Credit Cards Accepted
- DVDs
- Free City Maps
- Free Internet Access
- Free Parking
- Free WiFi
- Fridge/Freezer
- Games Room
- Hair Dryers
- Hot Showers
- House Keeping
- Internet Access
- Self-Catering Facilities
- Linen Included
- Security Lockers
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- Meeting Rooms
- Microwave
- No Curfew
- Outdoor Swimming Pool
- Outdoor Terrace
- Parking
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- Shuttle Bus
- Swimming Pool
- Taxes included
- Tea & Coffee Making Facilities
- Towels Included
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Cancellation PolicyThis property has a 3 day cancellation policy. Failure to cancel within this time will result in a cancellation charge equal to the first night of your stay.
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From Faro airport to the City of Lagos:
Should follow the A22, Via Infante Sagres, or alternatively the national road N125.
There are approximately 90kms to Lagos.
To reach us:
For the convenience of our guests we provide a private transfer between the city of Lagos and the ZBA, the pick-up point is at the foot bridge to the Lagos Marina, there is also the possibility of other pick-up points.
If you are using public transport, you should catch the Lagos to Sagres bus and get off at Raposeira from where you should head towards to Zavial beach.
If you are using your own transport, follow the EN125 from Lagos towards Sagres, and at the traffic lights at the entrance to Raposeira turn left towards Hortas do Tabual and Praia do Zavial. The Accommodation is on the left hand side of the road, approximately 200m from the beach.
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The Zavial Beach Hostel is located 300m from the beach at Zavial, 20kms from Lagos and 10kms from Sagres.
We are surrounded by extraordinary natural beauty, and excellent places to practise surf, diving, fishing, kayaking, trekking, BTT, boat trips, jeep rides and much more.
It is a very relaxing place, excellent for holidays in direct contact with nature, and at the same time close to the night life of Lagos and Sagres.


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International Market Place, Honolulu
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The markets in Honolulu were fantastic. So much to see and buy, if you are out to spend some money.
What to buy: Whatever takes your fancy.. I couldn't go past some lovely silver jewellry, as well as some lovely after 5 wear.
What to pay: As little as possible..
There were some kiosk type stands in the road next to the hotel. I think this may have been part of the International Marketplace.
I went there to buy some souvenirs for my family. My grandmother didn't seem interested
What to buy: I got a Tiki mug, a tiki statue and an Aloha Hawaiian shot glass
This marketplace is exactly that ... a typical market place with your typical market place wares for sale.
It seems to go on endlessely with shop after shop all selling the same stuff. Screeds of flower printed bikinis, sarongs, shirts, mumus, hats etc. Jewellery stands, sunglasses, souvenirs ranging from dancing hula dolls to fridge magnets. Endless shell and beaded necklaces ... you know the drill.
An interesting place to vist once or twice but nothing overly special about this area.
What to buy: I would suggest going to the Aloha Stadium Markets for your shopping. the prices are slightly better than here.
What to pay: Depends what you want?
t-shirts - 3 for$10 type deals.
Shell necklaces $3.
Directions: Downtown WaikikiAdd to your Trip Planner
The IMP is situated near the center of the shopping area and houses many small shops, stores, displays, and little food places. The area is built on and around huge trees which gives it that simple feel.
What to buy: We found a bag shop towards the back of the IMP. This Chinese woman seemed in a bargining mood, I'm just used to going in and buying something without argument! My friend got away with several purses and walets for less than a hundred dollars. I went ahead and purchased a luggage case for 45 dollars! It would have cost nearly a 100 but she was over stocked and wanted to get rid of everything. Many business owners are here from abroad (hence the name). You'll find cute little clothing shops for your every need. We went into this one whacky toy shop with a few questionable items...
What to pay: It ranges from price to price depending on what store you visit. The bag shop was a good find. Nothing should be very expensive, unlike its pricey neighbors.
Directions: Near Kuhio Ave., around the shopping district.
This was a great place to get bargains for souvenirs and for the experience. But I did find a ukelele that was cheaper at the countless ABC stores than the market place so just keep your eyes open for better deals around Waikiki.
****RIP International Market Place, 1957-2014 - The International Marketplace is no more. It has been leveled, reportedly to make room fo a Saks Fifth Avenue. The only good thing is that the big banyan tree is protected by law, so they will have to build around it. Very sad. I'm leaving this tip up as a remembrance. *******
The International Market Place in Waikiki is like a big flea market, partly open-air, with dozens of vendor booths and shops selling T-shirts, aloha wear, tote bags, jewelry, artwork, wind chimes, and anything else you can think of.
The teenagers in your family will especially love shopping there for themselves and their friends.
Address: 2330 Kalakaua Avenue, mauka side
It's history as a market place began on January 16, 1955 when entrepreneur Donn "Don the Beachcomber" Beach announced that a new "Waikiki village" was to be created. The new village was to be called "The International Market Place."
A huge 100-year-old banyan tree sits in the middle of this open-air shopping mall in Waikiki. It is still a popular shopping stop. Shops sell Aloha shirts, diamonds, pearls, woodcarvings, gold, kites, tapestries and surf equipment. You can find some interesting things at a reasonable cost at this reasonable place.
There's an international food court on the premises. On the second level you'll also find a surprisingly good Hawaiian art co-op gallery. Live Hawaiian entertainment is presented free of charge every Friday and Saturday evening
What to buy: Waikiki's International Market Place is a Hawaiian open-air bazaar of knickknacks, gifts, and other assorted baubles to keep as a memento of Hawaii's distinct beauty.
Take time to talk story with the local craftspeople, and snap a photo by a cascading waterfall under a century-old banyan, original home of Donn the Beachcomber. With over 130 carts, shops and artisan stands, this open-air setting in the heart of Waikiki remains a must-see-and-do for that special gift or souvenir. A varied collection of dozens of bamboo-colored stalls selling jewelry, aloha shirts, sandals, and any other necessities for wandering around on Kalakaua Avenue. The prices are reasonable, so it's a perfect destination for budget travelers. If you are looking for a wooden tiki head, pink ukulele, flowered lei, or a colorful mumu at a good price, the International Market Place is the perfect place to do some outdoor shopping in the center of Waikiki.
The International Food Court offers a variety of local and international cuisine, plus free Hawaiian entertainment five nights a week.
What to pay: Shirts at 6 for $20, maui shorts for $20 and a lot more!
Open daily from 10:00 a.m. to 10:30 p.m
Address: 2863 Kalakaua Ave
Directions: 2863 Kalakaua Ave
Honolulu, HI 96815-4028
Phone: 808.971.2080
Website: http://www.internationalmarketplacewaikiki.com
This shopping bazar is surrounded by large retail stores and chains. But if you want to find affordable and authentic hawaiian shopping these shops are owned by local families and businesses.
There are dozens of shops and kiosks to look at. Most is hawaiian owned. Often the person working in the shop is the owner!
These shops are great! If anything it is more fun to walk through this marketplace than through the large department stores.
What to buy: Koa wood gifts like cutting boards, bowls, tiki men, etc.
Hawaiian jewelry. Clothes. There are food stands as well. This is a great place to get a box lunch if you haven't already.
I just bought some music boxes from Hawaiian Music Boxes.
What to pay: $5-$100 Most everything is cheaper here than anywhere else. You can get some good gifts for a couple of buck or a lot more depending.
Address: 2330 Kalakaua Ave # 200 Honolulu, HI 96815-2953
Directions: Waikiki
Phone: (808) 971-2080
Website: http://www.internationalmarketplacewaikiki.com/
Waikiki's International Market Place is an area filled with cheap souvenir stands and low-budget fast food restaurants, as well as a stage that features a variety of entertainment for an hour or two each day. I have visited here a few times in the last decade and during both visits I ate at Bautista's Filipino Kitchen. I have also enjoyed great Korean food from Yummy Korean.
Besides Filipino and Korean, the plaza has a variety of other foods including Vietnamese, Greek, Japanese, Chinese, and Mexican. The shops sell mostly tourist junk such as T-shirts and candles, and there is a stage with local entertainment such as live bands and hula dancing.
International Market Place was constructed in 1956 by a mysterious man named Don the Beachcomber. It was constructed on the grounds of a former summer residence of King Kamehameha IV and Queen Emma.
Website: http://www.internationalmarketplacewaikiki.com/
The 57 year old icon of Waikiki, The International Marketplace, as it sat, was closed for good on December 31, 2013. Torn down and to become an upscale three story shopping mall by 2016. The only things remaining are the name and the center piece banyan tree. Read the older reviews to get a glimpse of the beloved past, for the future holds the large upscale chains. ALOHA to another part of old Waikiki. Better or worse will be up to those that visit the newest complex thst is changing the face of paradise. :-(
Address: Center of Waikiki on KalakauaAdd to your Trip Planner
The International Market Place is cramded full of tourists stalls, a good place to get your inexpensive souvenirs. They also have a good food court which sells Great chinese food.
Address: 2330 Kalakaua Avenue in Waikiki
OK so this isn't so much a toy store as it is a place of weird bobbles. I found this fridge magnet to be especially funny. The scary part is, it's sort of true :-$
This is a collection of shops that offer all types of souvenirs. You can get muu muus, t shirts, hats, jewelty, wood carvings, etc.
It is an interesting place to walk around.
What to buy: You name it.
Address: Kalakaua Avenue in Waikiki
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