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Fresh vegetables are good for you. They are also pretty to look at. But did you know you can also listen to them? The Vienna Vegetable Orchestra describes their music, " The Vegetable Orchestra performs music solely on instruments made of vegetables. Using carrot flutes, pumpkin basses, leek violins, leek-zucchini-vibrators, cucumberophones and celery bongos, the orchestra creates its own extraordinary and vegetabile sound universe. The ensemble overcomes preserved and marinated sound conceptions or tirelessly re-stewed listening habits, putting its focus on expanding the variety of vegetable instruments, developing novel musical ideas and exploring fresh vegetable sound gardens."


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- The Winslow Boy (1989) TV episode, Played by Rowena Cooper
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- El chico de los Winslow II (1982) TV episode, Played by Elisa Laguna
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- The Winslow Boy (1977) TV episode, Played by Gillian Martell
- Der Fall Winslow (1961) (TV) Played by Ortrud Bechler
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- Die Jongen van Winslow (1959) (TV) Played by Fiet Dekker (as Mrs. Barnes)
- The Winslow Boy (1958) (TV) Played by Janet Burnell
- Der Fall Winslow (1955) (TV) Played by Elisabeth Witte (as Miss Byrnes)
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I think that his remarks have been taken completely out of context. I think that he is saying that wait until it is the sons & daughters of NRA members who are victims of gun violence and then maybe there will be a different opinion on gun laws.
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A triumph of cheap design over genuine challenge -- so really, not a triumph at all.
The series hasn't really evolved so much as it's amplified its own quirks, building itself into a juggernaut of corny parody and lopsided play balance rather than something truly refined. Nowhere is this more blatant than in the Prinny spin-off titles, which thrust the series' low-level peg-legged penguin demon mascots into hard-as-nails platforming challenges. As a matter of fact, the latest spin-off, Prinny 2: Dawn of Operation Panties, Dood!, encapsulates everything good and bad about Disgaea.
In fact, it's all right there in the title. Prinnies are still as lovable as ever, reincarnated souls of sinners serving out their stint in purgatory as fragile slackers. But their habit of ending every sentence with the word "dood" quickly becomes irritating, and the story's premise -- that you're out to recover the stolen underwear of a seemingly underaged demoness before the thief can sniff them and cause the end of the world -- is frankly embarrassing to any adult with the tiniest modicum of good taste. The dialogue is long on jokey perversion and repetitive verbal tics, dood, but neither are particularly amusing.
But at least it plays well, right? Well, kind of. Like its predecessor Prinny: Can I Really Be the Hero?, Prinny 2 puts players in control of 1,000 explosive penguins, one at a time. When one dies, the next one takes over until you either win or run out of Prinnies -- and even running out of Prinnies isn't quite the total wipeout that you'd expect. You're given your choice of more than half a dozen levels to play in any order, with the caveat that time advances an hour once you complete each stage.
As night descends, each stage grows more difficult, and what seems like a gentle, one-star challenge in daylight becomes downright vicious once midnight rolls around. Add to this the deliberately limiting controls, consciously patterned after the later Ghosts 'N Goblins games, and you have a game that eats through that stock of 999 reserve lives in short order.
Unfortunately, it quickly becomes clear that NIS is leaning on your massive stockpile of Prinnies as a crutch to excuse some genuinely shoddy level construction. The overall game design is solid enough, with unique play mechanics and a ridiculous number of things to unlock as a reward for obsessive play (including an entire second mode), which is a Disgaea trademark. But in terms of actual stage design, Prinny 2 doesn't hold up to the likes of similar-but-superior games such as Donkey Kong Country Returns. Here, hazards and enemies are placed in obnoxious ways, frequently defying the tenets of good and fair platformer design. Worse, enemies spring into action well before they actually scroll onto the screen, undermining the whole affair with a frustrating flavor of haphazardness that causes tricky situations to play out a little differently every time. Obstacles in other difficult platformers can usually be surmounted with practice, but here you never know if the blind leap you're making for the 20th time will be thwarted again by the gun turret that activated long before you could see it. Success feels like it's based as much in luck as in skill.
It's cool, though; you've got 999 lives, right? No, because those lives go quickly when you get stuck at the latest traffic jam point -- and there's seemingly one in every stage -- and burn through 50 lives in a few short minutes. More to the point, these sticking points grind the game's rhythm to a halt. You can always switch to easy difficulty, which features far more sensible enemy placement, but the game goes out of its way to insult you for doing so: your hit points are represented by diapers. Quaint.
These issues aren't exactly new, but it was easier to be forgiving the first time around since NIS seemed so deeply out of its element making a platformer. A sequel is supposed to be an opportunity for improvement, to show what you've learned, but Prinny 2 offers little that's genuinely new and little by way of actual refinement, either. Add to that a story that's pathologically obsessed with the idea of stealing and sniffing a girl's underwear (which wasn't amusing 20 years ago in Ranma 1/2 and isn't any less discomfiting in 2011), and it's hard to recommend Prinny 2 to anyone but the most forgiving Disgaea fan. That's a pity, because with better writing and something approaching real level design, it would clean up pretty nicely.
Middle age is looming, Disgaea. Maybe it's time to consider the video game equivalent of moving out of your parents' basement and getting a job.
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Comments (53)
Wow, these comments...Posted: Jan 27, 2011 12:00AM PST by JohnMora
I feel like I have to counter all of the abrasive comments on this review with a supportive one, since I didn't find anything wrong with how Jeremy reviewed it. Yeah, it's his opinion. How the hell else is he supposed to review it? Just list off the details from the back of the box and give it a score based on that? There is no Objective Game Rating Calculator out there to give out 100% "accurate" scores. A C is AVERAGE, he's not even necessarily calling it bad, just AVERAGE. And it's average FOR HIM. If you like it, great. If you don't, great, too! Jeremy was asked to give his opinion on its quality and he did. I'm glad he did, too, since he's not the only one sick of NIS's distasteful sensibilities in regards to their plots and characters. Flat-chested little girl demons having their panties stolen? Yeah, why wouldn't a guy in his 30s feel gross playing a game about that? It's less to do with prudish sexual mores and more to do with a matter of taste. Consider also that Jeremy painted a picture of a game that was more or less identical to the original Prinny. The same game a year or two later with no evolution or improvements is bound to feel disappointing.
Keep on keeping on, Jeremy. Don't listen to some of the dribblepoop being spouted by people who were blindly defending a game they hadn't played.
You're getting old too, Mr. Parish.Posted: Jan 20, 2011 12:00AM PST by Cudgeon
One thing I have to say:
Why do you think the story with the panties is so bad?
Maybe I don't care because I'm from europe and not from prudish USA but I don't think the story to be a major turn off.
And maybe its not N1 that gets to old for Games, but you yourself. ;)
I'm still in shockPosted: Jan 19, 2011 12:00AM PST by pocky-san
that KH re coded got a better score. . . and that whole game was just to see what Mickey sent to Sora. . .
fun fact: not worth it
I'm still in shockPosted: Jan 19, 2011 12:00AM PST by Kays Addiction
people still bitch about review scores. For the love of God! It's an opinion. Just cause you like a game don't expect everyone to feel the same about it.
@ TsuPosted: Jan 20, 2011 12:00AM PST by Cudgeon
Even if you like parish, he is old enough to defend himself. You don't have to argument for him.
Critics always have to face critic. If they can't, they should quit their jobs. You can't go criticize things and then whine about how others criticize your opinion.
Besides, I guess he knew it from the beginning. Since it happens to every bad review of a niche game..
More likePosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by Gamemasterflex18
A triumph in game titles.
I don't get it.Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Zeik56
I quite plainly do not understand all this complaining about the Prinny games being cheap or frustrating or unfair. The original Prinny was one of the most solidly designed 2D platformers I have ever played, and quite honestly one of the most forgiving and least frustrating. Once you get accustomed to the jumping mechanics (which should take no more than 30 minutes) then all it takes is practice and memorization of enemy placement and attack patterns. I made it through the entirety of the original Prinny with little to no frustration, and less than 100 lives lost. I should also point out that I suck at most platformers. How people who actually have prior experience with more frustrating platformers like Mega Man could have so much trouble with these games is completely beyond me.
Now I have yet to play Prinny 2, so perhaps the level design is legitmimitely inferior and cheap compared to it's predecessor, but from the sound of the review (and looking over the previous review) it sounds like this was all stuff already in the original game, in which case these issues are quite plainly because of your own skill. There should be no reason you should be losing hundreds of lives or have to switch to the easy difficulty to get through these games, period. And then to go and decry that it's cheap and unfair is beyond ridiculous.
I expected better from you Jeremy.
You reassure me a bitPosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by Pandareus
I bought the first Prinny game during the PSN sale a few weeks back, haven't played it yet, but it's good to hear it's not impossible.
That said, Jeremy brings up valid points, for instance getting hit by enemies off screen is genuinely bad design in a 2D platformer. It doesn't matter if you can memorize the level and avoid the attack once you have. It's simply poor. It is objectively cheap and unfair. And it is good of Jeremy to point it out in his review, no matter how much you disagree that it ruins the game.
At least now the reader knows about it, and can make the call for himself.
First time, shame on you. Second time, shame on me.Posted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by imercenary
Its exactly as Jeremy says : "These issues aren't exactly new, but it was easier to be forgiving the first time around since NIS seemed so deeply out of its element making a platformer. A sequel is supposed to be an opportunity for improvement, to show what you've learned, but Prinny 2 offers little that's genuinely new and little by way of actual refinement, either."
You forgive a poorly executed first attempt, but you don't forgive a poorly executed second attempt.
Fun fact.Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by KenolaBar
95% of people bitching about a 1up review haven't played the game. It's true.
Statistics are meaninglessPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Epic Greenman
79% of the people using them make it all up 84% of the time or use data that's 62% crap.
I DISAGREE with this review.Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by franwex
The game is actually tons of fun and each section of supposed bad level design is actually like a puzzle. It is frustrating at first but once the player figures out how to get past an obstacle it's actually hard to get stuck again.
I never got tired of the Prinny's saying "DOOD!" either, in fact; I found it a little comforting. The game positively reinforces the player to go on!
The story might be a bit childish but c'mon; what can one expect? Seriously; there are games with worst story lines out there (Gears of War 2, Final Fantasy XIII). It's just a little crude light-hearted comedy not meant to be taken in an offensive matter.
I believe the reviewer might be a little frustrated with the difficulty. In turn every aspect of the game might seem annoying. I recommend taking a break; and coming back and re-evaluating the score (yeah like that will ever happen).
Prinny 1 was excellent; and the sequel offers more of the same goodness. Super Mario Galaxy, Call of Duty, and Halo are examples of games that have pretty much done the same in the past-yet their scores are stupidly high only because they are high profile games.
There is an audience for this game, and people should definitely try it if they ever get the chance!
The plot seems fine to me.Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by MARl0
I've always loved the plot in the Disgaea games. What makes the plot of this game good, as that it's funny in the context of the Disgaea universe. It's not to be taken seriously at all, and that's what makes it so funny in my opinion.
Was worried about that.Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by MachineGunTommy
I love the Disagaea series, I really do, but the first Prinny just felt lame. I like the tough as nails Ghosts N Goblins approach to it but...Ghosts N Goblins was great because it was hard as nails WHILE having great level design. Prinny had AWFUL level design. And this one just seems to be more of the original. The fact that Jeremy pretty much vocalized the exact thing I was concerned about confirms I'll hold off until it hits the -$20ish mark.
This seems like a biased review...Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Ashborne
By yet another person on 1up who doesn't know how to review.
This series is loved by quite a bit of people. You're not looking at it from any point of view except your own.
You're acting as if you know what a game should and shouldn't have.
From what I have gathered from seeing every review you've made, it's either 'I love this genre and this massively marketed, annually released series' or 'this is niche, this frustrates me, therefore it is cheap and must suck'.
From 1up writers, all I see nowadays are only on your own tastes rather than the genuine ups and downs of the games. For example, I've seen more than a few reviews talking just about the title screen and then complaining about everything they dislike.
I'm done with 1up at this point. Hire some good writers. Bring Sharkey back.
Let me point this outPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Kays Addiction
This series is loved by quite a bit of people. You're not looking at it from any point of view except your own
Those people will buy the game without question, This review is not for them. Also a lot of people love Justin Bieber, but it doesn't make him good.
I've seen more than a few reviews talking just about the title screen and then complaining about everything they dislike.
Pot, meet the kettle. Replace the word review with comments and you're talking about yourself.
A review is simply an opinion, not a fact. You can look at things objectively but at the end of the day what it comes down to is it's an opinion. That little score in the top corner is without a doubt the most opinionated part of the review. Just cause Jeremy gave it a C doesn't mean everyone else will.
Hey Tsuzura_SakiPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by cerrente1975
How about commenting on the review instead of trolling and attacking the people that comment. You've been on here awhile now, so have I so I don't understand the confrontational attitude you're taking but since we are, how about you clean your room if it still looks that way...Its embarrassing and I don't think should be posted, just my opinion
Why don't i comment on the review?Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Kays Addiction
Cause someone will complain about how my comment is biased, and unprofessional, if you must know.
Hey KenolaBarPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by cerrente1975
Trust me Gamemaster4747 I am not, and if you look he already holds the title of "star of 1up" lmao definitely not me. If you'll look i rarely comment on anything, I just decided to today.
And Tsuzura_Saki the comments section is supposed to be influenced by personal opinion of content, not the paid review.....shhhh don't tell anyone!!!
This just inPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Kays Addiction
Very nicePosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by cerrente1975
This is a niche titlePosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by cerrente1975
If you don't like it don't play it. The story is just as awful as having to wipe out entire races of people and take over planets/countries. The platforming is going to be hard and that is tailored to the fans who play the game. As for not evolving, what game has? Pick a 9 to 10 score recent shooter and show me the evolution. Sure the graphics are nicer but thats technology, not an evolution in game design. Its all still travel to point A to move to point B. How about next time we focus mainly on the game and not your dislike of the bad taste humor, its not for you, but shouldn't reduce the score. I got demolished in the first game but it was designed to do that!!! Good thing you don't review Japanese games and only the ones that come stateside, come on you know what they are like. As long as the score is for the game and how it plays thats fine.
This comment gets a CPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Kays Addiction
He's playing the game because he was paid to review it. Whether he likes it or not is irrelevant. I have an idea, if you don't like a review don't read it. It's obvious you already have your opinion on this game what's the point in even reading the review. Also the review is an OPINION. Complaining about it won't change a goddamn thing.
Kind of a stupid commentPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by cerrente1975
I merely stated that giving a game a bad score because it was a little too tough for ya or you don't like the humor is a bad way to review games. Of course personal opinion will play in, but in the end it comes down to the game and gameplay, not if you particularly liked the story or not. If it was a blog that would be cool but if you are getting paid to review a game then whether you like the story should have no merit in the final score. Now if you would like to support your favorite reviewer then by all means start a cool blog with little smileys and hearts and unicorns but the reviews should stay as unbiased on personal taste as possible. And for the record I have read only minimal on the title and have yet to play, but I can easily see from the outside that this is a slightly biased review based on personal taste. Again this is a paid review, not a blog, as long as the review was solely based on the value of the game its fine if however the final review came down to not liking the content then the score is without merit.
The bad humorPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Kays Addiction
and story are part of the game. Let's put it this way so you're saying that when reviewing a movie you can give it good marks just cause it had pretty special effects yet terrible acting and a bad story. That's not the way it works.
And of course this review is based on personal taste it's fucking opinion!
@cerrentePosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by wolfgang12
You are stupid.
Wolfgang12Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by cerrente1975
Well thought out, thank you for your contribution. Also glad to see its easy to get the F-Bombs out of supposed rational thinking people, you know who you are commenter's, its classy!!!
"This comment gets a C"Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by learningKnight
@cerrentePosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by JoeFlemming
Tsuzura has answered your question satisfactorily several times now. Please scroll up and actually read it... then please try to comprehend it.
I have read Mr. Parish's reviews for years, and while I don't agree with each and every review, if you look at his total body of work; I believe he is fair and in general objective.
In the end it is his opinion, obviously yours differ, that's ok.. but please stop slamming him, 1up, or other people for having a different view than yourself. I am one of those people that Like Disgaea, HELL I even ran out and purchased Z.H.P. (Jeremy was a little critical on that one) my point if I like something I'll try it, I'll just use the review as a guide to know what Im getting into.
lolPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Rise_ofthe_Mike
Good thing I don't seem to have that "modicum of good taste" you were talking about. I can't wait to play this, if it's anything like the first then i'm going to have a great time with it. Difficulty doesn't bother me, it is something I love. The story, for disgaea, great. I love the bad taste these guy's have. It's honestly hilarous to me. Still...after all this time. I really can't wait for Disgaea 4 to finally come out. Until then i'll play this and the other NIS games.
Truly disgustingPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by jdwohlever
This is the reason I have never liked anime much. The dark under belly of most anime cartoons seems to relie on showing scantly clad underage girls acting like there twice their age sexually. Not only is this disturbing, but makes me wonder about the country and companies that produce 90% of that type of pedophilish drivel. In a country that sells used girls underwear in vending machines (Yes Japan actually has these) I have no doubt that most of their male population is sex starved and pedophiles. Just sickening to the point that I'm surprised you even reviewed the game. I would rather face being fired that to play a game whose premise is something so sophmoric and pedophilic. If this company was a US based company they would have been arrested by now.(Which is a good thing, free speech be damned) I wish the freaks who scream about the Grand Theft Auto games would open their eyes and see where the real sickness lies.
actuallyPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Rise_ofthe_Mike
Japan, as well as many other countries, don't have the same laws that we do. It's actually legal for a woman as young as 13 to have sexual relations with a man in Japan. Actually, if you look it up, a lot of countries have the same law. about 85% of them have a legal age of 16 while only a small percentage need to be 18 or older...and the rest fall in the 13 to 15 range with the second biggest percentage being around age 14. The US is one of the few countries that have the age of consent at age 18..and even that is debateable...Alaska has it's age of consent at 16. So "under-age" is sort of relative as it means different things to different people.
To someone that lives in an area where consent is only legal at age 18...I can see their disaproval being stated. But you can't subject others to the same curriculum. Laws differ everywhere and in most things. Back in the day a woman needed to be married by age 13 and as she got into the 17 and 19 range she was considered to be getting on in her marrying years with not to many left before people didn't bother with her. Times change, if Japan were to take over the US...then years and years from now no one would have second thoughts about the legal age being at 13 because it's something that they've come to understand as being legal...set down that way by the people who are in charge and dictate what is legal or illegal.
Sure you can!Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Alkaiser
Watch me! *ahem* hey all you adult males out there! If you're trying to bag a 13 year old girl, you should be shot out of a cannon. At the sun, preferably.
Saying that because something is part of a country's culture means that we can't criticize it is retarded. There are countries where women are treated as property to this day and I can sure as hell criticize that.
But referring to the seedy undertones of anime... a bit overreactive, but for the most part yeah. I like some japanese cartoons, but I can't disagree. A lot of it is just straight-up fucking shameful.
P.S. Yeah. Women got married at 13. In the fucking Dark Ages. We also believed that raindrops were Gods tears. So maybe we shouldn't take to much from that era and bring it into our civilized lives. Also, you are probably a pedophile. Just saying is all.
Chiming in.Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Keefman -X-
Although I do take exception to the way the first guy expressed his thoughts, I feel it would be worth pointing out that it's important to note the difference between legality and actual right and wrong. A lot of pretty fucked up things are or have been legal somewhere, not that I posess the knowledge about Japanese culture to have any informed opinion about their practices.
@alkaiser and othersPosted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by Rise_ofthe_Mike
You make me sad. lol.
Seriously though, long after the dark ages women were being married off at young ages like 13. Personally, I like older women, the mature kind. But I don't think, as long as it's legal, that it's wrong...right and wrong are subject to personal whim. Someone may say that drilling for oil is wrong, another may say that killing animals is still killing, and wrong. Some people think that if you aren't a christian you're wrong and will go to hell. Right and wrong aren't set in stone, it's diffrent to every person, and culture has a lot to do with it. 16 years of age is legal in over 85% of the countries out there. Meaning that a significant portion of the world believes that it is right. The other fraction is made up of countries that believe that 14 is the right age...then the 18 and older is pretty much the distant last.
are they wrong, to you yes...not to them. Which is my only point. Different people have different ideas of what is right and wrong, what is legal or illegal.
just a head's up, since ur a little ignorant...Posted: Jan 11, 2011 12:00AM PST by jbgoldengun
the character who's panties get stolen (Etna), is a demoness who is over a thousand years old. She looks young, sure. But, have you never seen a girl who is under 18, but looks like she could be in her mid twenties? I have. And have you seen women in their 20's who look like they're underage? I sure have. You should know the context before criticizing something. I am in no way saying I support selling used panties, or that people should go around banging up young newly-pubescent girls, just know what your talking about before you put it down. And just as an fyi... there's nothing magical about turning 18... Say I'm 17 and it's the 20th of June... When the clock strikes midnight that night, and it becomes the 21st and I am 18, does something magical happen in my brain that suddenly tells me I can go and have sex with someone? No. It's just a law some1 came up with. Really, I somewhat agree with the age 13 thing, only in the way that if a 13 year old girl really wants to be screwed by an old saggy man, go ahead. It'll be her mistake. But, she has hit puberty, and is sexually curious and wanting to try stuff. It's her choice, and possibly mistake, to go get screwed.
Me and my new girlfriend are 2 years apart. I'm 16, she's 14. But, we both have urges that we would like to satisfy with each other. So, if she's feeling these feelings now, then what would be stopping her in two years when im 18 and she's only 16? Heck, me and her are dating now. We are two years apart, but when I become 18, even though we're still just 2 years apart, is there something magical that suddenly makes it wrong for me to be dating her? No. There's the same age difference as there is now, and in all honesty, me and her would be more likely to make mistakes now than in 2 years when we've learned about life and the world more... Just my ramblings.
But officer! She said she was 500 years old!Posted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by Alkaiser
Seriously dude! It's okay if someone's drawn to be a child as long as we say *wink wink nudge nudge* that she's older so you can get your rocks off without the guilt or jail time.
Also, at 13 years old you don't have a goddamn clue about what to do with your future. The laws are there to protect you from becoming a mother at 15 and ruining both your and your babies life in the process. Yeah, some people mature a little earlier then others. But for the most part a lot of people don't get that sense of responsibility until much later if at all or are being outright preyed upon by older people who should know better.
@alkaiserPosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by Rise_ofthe_Mike
Which is your opinion. That's fine. But Japan and many, many other countries just don't have that law. Hell, I mean, early 1900's still had women getting married young. It's only really recently that any major rules were put into place. Like I said, I'm more drawn to the mature women...early 30's. But as long as it's not against the law, then it's not a problem. Not to me anyway, but i'm more open and understanding of how subjective right and wrong are.
Also, I agree with you that in America we have "little girls" who don't know what to do at all...but the truth is that different cultures breed different people. Some more mature because of the culture. They were raised differently. Anyway, i'm not saying you're wrong, i'm just not saying you're right either. It's subjective.
@jdwohleverPosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by jellishot
While I agree that pedophilia is wrong (and who wouldn't?), I think the rest of your comment is pretty uninformed and borderline ignorant (and you're on the wrong side of the border). You seem like an otherwise intelligent guy, so I hope you're just trolling.
It's funny this all started from a review of Prinny 2.Posted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by A._Kent
In the early 1900s, lynching was a frequent event in the south, to the extent that candidates for offices were in part elected based on pro-lynching rhetoric. Even campaigning presidents had to appease the demograph that wanted to hunt another human, string them up and take their photo by the corpse. So many civil liberties that we enjoy today were pipe dreams then. Society was largely dominated by men, and women were oppressed within society, to the extent that many learned submission as a survival tactic. They were treated as breading stock, not human beings. In fact, women were not allowed to vote in the US until the 1920s. This is a tragedy, not proof we've become judgmental and narrow-minded. It is important to realize laws are simply laws and not "the truth," whatever that is, though that doesn't mean that laws are not the foundation of civilization and a comforting buffer from "the horror." Maybe it is arrogant to believe that the sexual objectification of barely pubescent girls is repugnant, but I think we should point out, though, that this isn't all of Japan, but an unhealthy niche that has been given a voice through the greed of capitalism (which has its equivalencies in the US), and that the majority of Japanese fully hold the same beliefs as most of the first world.
@alkaiserPosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by jbgoldengun
I'm hoping you're just a troll, otherwise, I take pity on your ignorance... It's not like someone launched a formal complaint against NIS for their design of Etna, and NIS then went "Oh... um... oh yeah! Did we forget to tell you she's over a thousand years old! Ya, that makes everything right!" The whole concept of the Netherworld in the Disgaea universe is that people live for so long, that even after a thousand years, the people still appear young. Which brings us back around to the point... is the whole point of these "sensible" age laws to protect ignorant girls, or to keep people from going after young-looking girls? Whichever you answer, you've messed yourself up. If you say the former, then what's wrong with the look of Etna, or the look of some real-life girls in their 20's who have small chests and a petite build? And if you say the latter, then does that mean it's ok for people to go around screwing big-chested, 5 foot 10 inches tall 15 year olds, just because they look like they could be older? You're in a lose-lose situation with that question.
Now, you say the laws are there to keep 15 year old girls from getting pregnant and ruining their, and their baby's, lives... Well guess what? THERE'S STILL GIRLS GETTING PREGNANT AT AGE 15!!!! It's just by other idiotic teenagers... Really, wouldn't it be better for a teenager to get pregnant by a young adult who could actually have a job and support the girl and the baby, instead of having two teenagers have a kid and end up living with their parents, wasting more of their parents' money? Say I got my girlfriend who is two years younger than me pregnant right now, while I'm 16 and she's 14. What would happen? Well, we'd still be living with our parents, but she'd be making her parents, and my parents if I would take the kid from her at times, have to use up more money on their grandchild... But, if I were say, 19, and had a steady job, and she was 17, then, I would be living in my say, apartment still, and I'd be able to properly support her and the child. Neither situation is the best outcome... but you should look at how their can be positives AND negatives with whatever situtation there is.
More word vomit coming atchaPosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by A._Kent
Etna isn't a person, "she" is representational art, and what she represents is a prepubescent girl, not Ellen Page. Though her character is an icon, and therefore can be judged on appearances alone, even if we consider her personality, Etna acts like a teenage brat that watches too much cable, not someone who has lived for hundreds of years. Ellen Page has a woman's mind, not a child's mind, and is quite capable of looking and acting her age in real life and when the script calls for it. Here's the issue: we shouldn't decide a woman's maturity based purely on appearances, but for having a developed mind, capable of individuality, preferences, and their own desires. I believe Rolling Stone had the Olson twins on the cover around their 18th birthday with the proclamation, "They're Finally Legal!" It isn't only Japan that sexualizes youth, and it's disgusting no matter where it is found. The concern isn't simply about young people having children before their brains have fully developed, before they have real life experiences to draw on, before they've finished their basic educations for society and they have an understanding of their individuality and how to pursue their goals; the concern is older men preying on children of either gender precisely because they do not represent these factors of adulthood and can be objectified as submissive sexual objects. That is something that should not be encouraged through media because it does not promote mental health for any culture.
Dicey issuePosted: Jan 12, 2011 12:00AM PST by BrokenH
The art style is "chibi". As in you take characters and make them cute with extra big heads and lithe short bodies. Maybe it does somewhat play on a pre-pubescent creepy fetish but at least it's just "drawn pictures" and no real kids are getting hurt.
I find alot of people have weird turn ons but the vast majority of them keep such stuff in "fantasy land" where it belongs.
While we're at it should we attack furry fixation, bondage, Master/slave role play, oral sex, and same gender relationships too? Where exactly do we draw the line at narrow mindedness?
Many teens have sex with each other before legal age anyway. It's not as if a "magical age limit" locks off puberty and lustful desires before 18.
I will admit I wouldn't be comfortable with kids playing this though. Etna "does" look & act like a child even if she's technically supposed to be a young adult. Older minds are mature enough to understand what "chibi" is and can dig the mature humor but I don't think it would leave good impressions on 8 or 12 year old children.
The minute I see a little girl dress like Etna is the moment it will dawn on me this stuff has gone too far. (Keep in mind Disgaea games commonly carry a teen rating to begin with. Aka don't be a dumb-ass and buy this for your pre school toddler!)
However how far do we take this? Should cute female gnomes with pigtails in WOW be the next to go? Do we create a task force just to make sure minors dress in conservative uniforms at all times? It's easy to see where well meaning moral activism can go very wrong.
A._Kent makes my point better than I can.Posted: Jan 13, 2011 12:00AM PST by Alkaiser
I'm not trying to be a troll. I guess I'm either an asshole or just a really blunt person depending on your viewpoint of it.
The point isn't to attack what two consenting adults do. And yeah, I know a lot of people have sex before they're ready for the potential consequences. I'm talking about what dude above was talking about: it isn't about the art itself, but the niche of people that this stuff appeals to and is marketed to.
Honestly? I just want to be able to watch a cartoon without worrying that I'm about to have a Koi Kaze-esque bomb dropped on me out of nowhere and some dude is trying to hook up with his underage sister because thats what comedy is to crazy people I guess. I want to be able to play cool JRPGs and not have to wade through the filthy crap made by Compile Heart or Gust or other companies where whatever interesting mechanics they contain are buried under a veil of creepy otaku fetishes.
A man can dream, can't he?
We didn't start the wicker-man fire!Posted: Jan 13, 2011 12:00AM PST by BrokenH
First of all, funny satire and great suave technique to get responses!(I hope for all of our sakes Alk,Kent, & jd are satirist trolls) Secondly who do these games appeal to? Action platformer fans? Turn Based Strategy RPGers? Nefarious chaps and lasses indeed! You get the torches and I'll get the pitch forks. The world must be cleansed. Boo-Ra!
What?Posted: Jan 14, 2011 12:00AM PST by Alkaiser
I don't understand anything you just wrote. Where did I say that RPG fans should be cleansed or whatever? Dude, I am one of those people. I just hate how there always has to be this bulletpoint checklist of otaku fetishes that always make it into JRPGs nowadays.
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|Publication number
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|Feb 25, 1941
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|Jul 26, 1939
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|Welk Nelson S
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Feb. 25, 1941.` N. s. wELK l CALIPER FOR CARD FEEDERS FOR'CUNTING MACHINES Original Filed July 26, 1939 3 Sheets-v-Sl'leer.` l
ulllnn-nnu INVENTOR. /VfLJo/v `5. Wal( Feb. 5, 1941.
C ALIPER FOR CARD FEEDERS FOR COUNTING MACHINES s Sheets-sheet 2 originl Filed Julyy 26, 1959 lll/ lNvENToR. A/ELsa/v 5. APVL-K Qa) @www Arron/VEY Patented Feb. 25, 1941 UNITED STATES 2,233,153 camita Fon CARD FEEDERS Eon COUNTING MACHINE Nelson s. welk, Athene, ohio, assigner te The McBce Company, Athens, Ohio, a corporation of Ohio Original lapplication July 26, 1939, Serial No.
Divided and this application April 2,
V1940, Serial N0. 327,418
5 Claims.
This invention is described in my copending application Serial No. 286,570, filed July 26, 1939, oi which this is a division, and also in my copending application Serial No. 327,415, iiled April 2, 1940.
Numerous machines have been built for counting cards and papers. In commercial practice they have been found either too slow in operation or inaccurate in count or both.
This is due to the fact that cards, coupons, checks, envelopes, etc. which are to be counted, not only vary greatly in thickness, but to a considerable degree in quality and in the condition in which they are found when they are to be counted, for example, cards may be made from a very high grade rag content stock or very soft manila, also it may be desired to count them when new before they are distributed to their various destinations and then after much handling they are returned to be again counted.
The checks and coupons of various grades of paper may be new or worn, they may have perforated edges and carbon printedspots on the reverse surface. The thickness of the paper or cards will be found to vary from approximately .003 inch to .025 inch or more.
The result of this situation is that it is absolutely essential forl provision to be made to prevent the passage of more than a single tem from the stack to be counted. This necessitates the provision of some means to vary to an extreme degree of nicety the size of the passageA through which the card, check, etc. shall be fed.
My invention has forv its principal object to provide a caliper which preferably is to 'be used in associati-on with the card feeder described in my copending application, Serial No. 327,415, although it will be apparent that it may be employed on other counting machines.
.That application sets forth that it is desirable to provide a construction whereby the card support can be' adjusted to various angles, and it is the object of that invention tovprovide a construction which. permits the angle to be varied and then, when the correct angle is obtained, to move the support to fit various sizes of cards without alterlngthe angle.
A further object of my present invention is to provide a caliper the angle of inclination of which can be adjusted and in this manner ensure a greater degree of accuracy in the feeding of the cards. v
My means of accomplishing the foregoing cbjects may be more fully comprehended by having reference to the accompanying drawings which are hereunto annexed and are a part of this specication in which:
Fig. 1 is a. plan View of a fragmentary por-tion of a counting machine showing my improvement; Fig. 2 is a cross section on line 2-2 in Fig. 1;
Fig. 3 is a sectional view taken on line 3--3 in Fig. 2; and
Fig. 4 is a. diagrammatic view showing the operation of the device.
Similar reference numerals refer to similar 10 parts throughout the entire specification.
As described in copending application, Serial No. 327,415, the card feeder comprises two rods I and 2 which are slidably mounted therein. The rods I and 2 are connected at the front end by a' 15 cross rod 3 which carries an inclined adjustable card support 4 which supports the cards as clearly seen in Figs. 2 and 4.
This card support is provided with a sliding weight 5 which adds .to the force of gravity for 20 feeding the cards. 'rms ending weight 5 is er'- ranged-to bear upon the rearward margin of the cards only. It has been found in practice that in t this way I am able to attain more effective feeding, for .the reason that sliding weight4 E never 25 varies in weight since the force of gravity exerted upon it is always the same regardless of the size of Ithe stack of cards. h
The card support 4, as clearly seen in Figs. 1
and 2 is rotatably mounted upon the cross rod 3, -30
so that its angle of inclination can be adjusted to any degree required. Provision is. made to hold the card support in place once the'adjustment has been made by a set screw 4 mounted in the hub of the support plate 4. Practice has shown $5 that it is necessary to vary the angle of the plate x41 because if the angle of the plate is too sharp or ot sha-rp enough it will prevent the proper feeding of the` cards from the stack. By mounting the inclined card'support 4 upon the cross rod 40 3 which is slidable with rods I and 2, once the proper angle of inclination is determined. it can always be maintained regardless of the size of the cards to be counted. Because of the rods I and 2 being parallel, it necessarily follows that 45 when the cross rod 3 is moved at all, the ends of rod 3 will at all times travel uniformly so that there will be no danger of twisting the support plate I thus spoiling the angle of inclination.
The forward edge of the cards contacts locating 50 plates 'I and 8 which are adjustably mounted on a rod 9. Thesev plates are providedwith hubs which may be cast or formed thereon or readily attached by welding or any other convenient method of securing them to the plate. Set screws It and II are provided to secure the locating plates on rod 9 in a position to suit the width of the cards which are to be counted.
Angle 'plates I2 are attached to the locating plates 'I and 8 by screws or in any other suitable or convenient manner. These plates are utilized to limit the forward movement of the cards.
The front edge of the Acards rest upon the periphery of two rolls I3 and I4 which are de' signed to support -the ends of the cards. In
practice I have found it ldesirable to corrugate the periphery of these right and left rolls I3 and I4. The cards are preferably fed by a feed roll I5 which is approximately the same diameter as the right and left rolls I3 and I4. In practice I have found that this roll should be substantially 1% inches wide. It is located centrally between the support rolls I3 and I4. The feed roll I5 maybe provided with a cover of medium soft tough rubber. If so constructed, this rubber should be approximately A inch in thickness or it may be found desirable to make the roll entirely of rubber. This feed roll I5 is carried by a. shaft I6 which passes through a bearing formed in the side plates or panels of the machine.
The rod 9 is preferably mounted in suitable bearings secured to the panels of the machine.l Upon this rod 9 I mount a block I1.
This block Il is preferably provided with a vertical dovetail slot I8 arranged toreceive my improved caliper plate I9. As shown in the drawings the caliper is rotatably mounted on the rod 9. This provides for adjusting the angle of inclination of this block` I1 and in turn the caliper. A set screw I'I' is providedl to hold the block Il in place. screw I1' the block I1 which carries the caliper plate I9 may be rotated upon the rod 9 until its angle of inclination is the same as the adjusted angle of the card support 4. By tightening the screw I'I' the block I1 and caliperv plate I9 can be securely held at any angle desired. Although I have shown a set screw for this purpose, other mechanical means may be employed if desired.
This caliper plate I9 is slidably mounted in the dovetail slot I3. Provision is made for raising and'lowering the caliper plate I9 by means of an adjusting screw 20 which is threaded into the block I'I, as clearly seen in Fig.f2. The. screw 20 is provided with a head 2| which is fitted into y to be cbunted and having determined its accurate' measurement he sets the position of'the caliper plate I9 by means ofthe adjusting screw 20.
a horizontal slot 22 formed in thecaliper I9. This provides for a minute adjustment of the caliper I9.
Preferably a micrometer scale is scribed on the. face of the block I 'I adjacent the edge 23 of the caliper plate I9. v f
Operation In operation, the operator iirst puts a micrometer on one of the cards, checks, etc., which are and the micrometer scale on the block I 'I until the opening between the lower edge 24'of the caliper plate and the periphery of the feed roll I5 coincide with, that of the thickness of the article to be fed.
In practice I have found it is sometimes necessary to very slightly increasey the space between the periphery of the feed roll I5 and the lower edge`24 of the caliper plate I9 to take care of irregularities -in thel edges of the cards, checks and the like which are to be counted, but once It will be clear that by loosening this set trains of gears, the various rotating parts are revolved. The frictional. contact against the rubber surface of the feed roll I5, on the bottom card of the stack of cards 6, will cause the bottom card to be -fed rearwardly. This friction is materiallyincreased by means of gravity due to the weight of the cards on the stack and is supplemented -by the sliding weight 5. The auxiliary rolls I3 and I4 which are provided with .corrugated surface,'keep the cardsbalanced,l the roughened surface of these rolls supplementing the feeding action of the main feed roll I5.
It will be clear from the foregoing that by -the provision of the micrometer adjustment for the spacing between the lower edge of the caliper plate I9, and the face of the feed roller I5, that the device will prevent more than a single card being fed and that the adjustment enables the operator to insure proper' delivery of a single card, etc. regardless of the variation in thickness.v
Having described my invention, what I regard as new and desire to s ecure by Letters Patent is:
1. In a card counting machine, a main feed roll on which the forward edge 'of the card rests. a pair of adjustable auxiliary feed rolls located at each side of the main feed roll, a card support, means to adjust its angle of inclination, a caliper plate adjustably mounted above and spaced from said main-feed roll, whereby said space may be altered for' articles of varying I thickness, and means permitting the adjustment of the angle of inclination of said caliper to substantially correspond to the card support.
2. In acard counting machine, a main feed roll on which the forward edge of the cardrests, a cross bar above said main feed roll, a card support, means to adjust i-ts angle of inclination, a I
block rotatably mounted on said bar above said feed roll, whereby .the angle of inclination of said .block can be correspondingly adjusted, dovetail guides in said block, a caliper plate tted -to and coinciding with said dovetail slot, an adjusting' screw mounted in said block arranged to shift .the position of the caliper plate with relation to the feed roll. l
3. In a card counting machine, a main feed roll on which the forward edge of the card rests, a. cross bar above said main feed roll, a card'sup-l port, means to adjust its angle of inclination, a block rotatably mounted on said bar above said feed roll, whereby its angle of inclination can be adjusted -to substantially correspond to the card support, dovetail guides in said block, -a caliper plate fitted to and coinciding with said dovetail f slot, an adjusting screw mounted in -said block, a
head on said screw, there being a slt in said caliper plate in which said head fits whereby the turning of said screw will vary the space between the lower edge of said plate and the feed roll.
4. In a card counting machine. a main feed roll on which 'the forward edge of the card rests, 'a
cross bar above said main feed roll, a card sup'- port, means to adjust its angleof inclination, a blockmounted'on said bar above said feed roll,
dovetail guides in said block, a caliper plate flttedy to and coinciding with said dovetail slot, an adjusting screw mounted in saidy block. arranged to shift the position of the caliper plate with relation tothe feed r'oll, a micrometer scale on said block above and spaced from the periphery of said adjacent said adjusting screw, and means permain feed roll, a micrometer adjustment whereby mitting the adjustment of the angle of inclination said space may be altered for articles of varying in relation to that of the card support. fthickness, means permitting the adjustment of 5. In .a card counting machine, a main feed roll the angle of inclination in relation to that of the 5 on which the forward edge of the card rests,l a card support, and means to lock said adjustment pair of adjustable feed rolls located at each side when made. j
of the main feed roll, a card support, means to NELSON S. ELK adjust its angie of inclination, a caliper plate 4
|Citing Patent
|Filing date
|Publication date
|May 19, 1950
|Apr 21, 1953
|Walbert Machine Company
|Press for printing individual workpieces such as envelopes
|Oct 29, 1956
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|Elliot Mandel
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|Oct 30, 1986
|Apr 26, 1988
|Hammermill Paper Company
|Conveyor means of system for in-line processing of envelopes and the like
|Jun 28, 1990
|Oct 22, 1991
|Brandt, Inc.
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