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Why can't people escape poverty? It's not income, it's wealth
If you heard the shocking statistic earlier this month that black women have a net worth of $5, then you must read Latoya Peterson's personal account of the struggle to attain wealth and rise above poverty.
Peterson, who left home at 17, worked fast food and clerical jobs, which often have no benefits or savings plans. That means when hard times hit, there's little to fall back on, since their meager wages just meet expenses.
Listen to her story:
When I left home at 17, I moved out with two garbage bags full of possessions, $1,000 meticulously saved from two different $7-an-hour jobs and not much else. I had no car. I had no driver's license. I had no credit history. Even if I had received a blessing from my mother, there would be no cash to help out, no bestowal of funds my parents had saved in a college fund. I was on my own. As the report explains, the key to financial stability is wealth (for example, assets, savings, stock holdings, business income), which can be passed from generation to generation, to ease the path for those struggling in their youth. However, for the more than 46 percent of single-parent black households that have zero or negative wealth, there is literally nothing to pass on — many households are struggling to stay afloat, living from paycheck to paycheck.
This is one piece that "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" idealists miss. Maybe we do live in the land of opportunity. Maybe everyone is born with the chance to make it.
But we're also born with baggage – positive or negative – the baggage our parents left us. For many white families, that's credit, equity and savings due to having access to low-interest mortgage loans from the government. Black families, who for years were denied these loans, start out farther behind. It's like starting a race with a weight strapped to your foot and a blindfold over your eyes.
Peterson says the solution to this is education. When she did land a job with a 401-k, a kind HR rep sat her down and told her how it could help her meet her financial goals.
With personal education, there also needs to be an education for the rest of us. To help us realize that Peterson is not alone. Her story is not an anamoly. This is the piece of the puzzle that keeps people mired in poverty, dependent on government subsidies.
Weeks ago, we were shocked by the statistic. I hope Peterson's story helps it stay with us.
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Equally crucial, I think, is acquiring and using social capital — knowing people who can and will help you access well-paid jobs, not just low-wage work with no benefits. My partner inherited no money from his poor family but worked hard from his freshman year of college (scholarships paid) and made sure to meet as many people in his desired career/industry as he could. Thanks to talent and hard work — and a few key introductions — he achieved his goal.
You can work hard forever (the myth is that is enough and it is not) but without access to people willing and able to help connect you to better opportunities, it's a very greasy pole.
"…There also needs to be a lot of education for the rest of us."
What a buncha smarmy elitist crap!!
I bust my ass. I save. I live beneath my means. I give back to my community. I donate my time and money to charity. I have a spotless credit rating. I owe none of this to any government-sponsored mortgages. I owe it my immigrant ancestors who were Czech coal miners and Irish railroad laborers. They upheld a family a code of honor and put a premium on education and hard work. The federal government did not make my family great. We did it then. We are doing it now. And we will do it in the future despite (not thanks to) the usury of the federal government. And BTW: This stated viewpoint has nothing to do with the current corporatist "health care reform" debate.
It would be refreshing to read a liberal (or neo-con, for that matter) piece that does not end up in the exact same place: MO central government.
Did I say anywhere in the piece that we needed more central government? I don't recall writing that. Maybe you could point it out to me.
Hate to break it to you, but by the time the federal government had a hand in things, your Czech and Irish ancestors were considered white. Therefore, they had the privilege of better schools, living in better neighborhoods and the ability to get a mortgage. All of those build wealth. Did they work hard? I'm sure they did. I'm not saying your family didn't. I'm saying some people's families start out behind, and it's harder for them to move forward. Why does that have to be about you and your family?In response to another comment. See in context »
My bad. What do you propose we do? (besides getting better "educated")In response to another comment. See in context »
There's a terrific book on this very subject called "Nickeled and Dimed" by Barbara Ehrenreich. It doesn't focus of black women exclusively, just anyone who lacks an education and is forced to work minimum wage jobs–what we now term "the working poor". To write the book, she worked these kinds of jobs all over the country and lived only on the money she made in that capacity. It's a real eye-opener, because you learn that it's actually more expensive to be poor, when you consider security deposits that need to be amassed to rent a decent apartment, the uniforms they are often required to buy to do their jobs, etc. It also shines a light on the predatory practices of big box stores and other franchise operations when it comes to taking care of their employees. It borders on slavery and yet our politicians have done almost nothing on the concept of a "living wage". When you read stuff like this, you have to root for unionization of unskilled labor.
Not a proposal, but a great point. These people do need unions and I can afford to pay more @ Home Depot. What a wonderful world we could live in if we could trade the union cards of people who don't need unions in for the people who do need them.
I thought it was a great proposal too. I think unions can help, or finding some other way to demand that these workers, who keep our stores, restaurants and cities running, need a living wage and a decent benefits so they can get ahead. Is there another way to do that besides unions? I'm not sure. Unions get such a bad rap these days that it seems very unpopular to propose them.
I think that in addition to unions, we need members of the public with 401k's and savings accounts and houses to realize the predicament many people are in. I think sometimes its just as simple as saying "I could afford to pay more at home depot if it means people get a fair deal" like you just did.
Nickel and Dimed is a great book. It's definitely worth a read, although it's really depressing and sobering.In response to another comment. See in context »
As we just learned in passing the healthcare bill, doing the right thing isn't always popular. And it often comes at the expense of corporate profits, which I have absolutely no problem with.In response to another comment. See in context »
The health care bill is a smorgasbord for the corporations who will continue to suck money out of the wallets of taxpayers. Look at stock prices for health care and health insurance companies after the bill passed. It is a corporatist coup on a grand scale. Read some Taibbi.In response to another comment. See in context »
I have, and I do. It's certainly not perfect by a long shot, but for now I'll settle for a step in the right direction and a philosophical shot across the GOP bow.In response to another comment. See in context »
I recently interviewed a woman, 51, for my book about retail work — who, with a Master's degree (white) is making $7.25 an hour and only surviving thanks to her mother's financial help.
The wages paid in retail are appalling and every single person I interview who works above the associate level — i.e. might help change that — just shrugs and looks helpless when I challenge this status quo.
There is no appreciable skills required in retail to command substantially high wages. With internet commerce, the picture becomes bleaker. A strong fundamental economy (not built on Mortgage debt ala Fannie/Freddie)needs to be fostered.In response to another comment. See in context »
Small point. You write, "For many white families, that's credit, equity and savings due to having access to low-interest mortgage loans from the government." Be careful of the word "many." If you dig into IRS and other statistics about wealth in this country, you'll quickly find that only about 1% of Americans qualify as wealthy, say earning over one million or five million dollars in a year. Even if twenty percent of families pass on credit, equity, and savings to their kids, that's not many.
The truth probably is that most families in this country do not earn enough to pass on to their kids. The truth probably is that the de-taxation of the wealthiest over the past three decades has made this problem worse, not better. Again, statistics show that from roughly 1945 to the 1970s all income groups doubled their income while since the 1980s only the top 1% has. Everyone else has seen their income increase about 1-3% a year with the poor being hammered the most.
The only way to reverse the economic situation you describe is to re-tax the wealthiest (they used to pay 90% in the 1950s, 60% or so in the 1960s, but only 16% effective rate for many today) and force certain companies (e.g. WalMart and Home Depot) to either unionize or pay union wages and benefits plus five percent. I also should mention that the Wal Mart family, in particular, is part of 18 families that in 2005 or 2006 quietly pushed to eliminate estate taxes so these 18 families could keep their combined $185 billion to hand to their kids and grandkids, people who had nothing to do with taking the risks to create that wealth.
We can do a lot of things on the margins to help people like Peterson. But we won't truly help her until we also fix the problems around aristocratic trust fund wealth in this country.
I also second Nickel and Dimed as a terrific book, even ten years or so on.
Hey Tim –
Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments.
I respectfully disagree – in part. The "wealth" I was talking about is not necessarily a monetary level. Being able to get a mortgage on a house gives you the kind of equity that makes you able to co-sign on student loans, car loans and apartment leases. It means you probably have health insurance for your kids, and live in a decent enough neighborhood for your kids to go to a decent public school.
Is it Coach bags and Jaguars? No. But it's the little push that people like Peterson didn't get when they were kids. Rather than having the money to set up a trust fund for your kids, it's having an extra few hundred dollars to get them out of a bind once and awhile, so they don't fall behind on their bills or get evicted.
But, I totally agree with you on the growing wealth gap between rich and working class Americans and the need to fix it. But what's your take on taxing the super rich? Will it slow down investment and innovation in a sluggish economy? I get that argument a lot here.In response to another comment. See in context »
"But, I totally agree with you on the growing wealth gap between rich and working class Americans and the need to fix it. But what's your take on taxing the super rich? Will it slow down investment and innovation in a sluggish economy? I get that argument a lot here."
I've thought a lot about this issue having grown up in an extremely wealthy part of the US (not because we were wealthy but because the best school was in that community) and for a few years as an adult.
First, re-taxing the wealthiest (let's say dollars earned over five million or ten million in a year) will not slow down investment and innovation. You can argue correctly that all this extra money lavished on the wealthiest over the past few decades has fueled the various bubbles we've suffered through, from the dot com bust to the real estate bust and a few in between. Money must go somewhere and people who have massive amounts of it tend to invest with hedge funds and anyone else who can work their money. That, in turn, leads to comparatively useless uses for money.
If that money went instead to the government, for example, the other 99% of American taxpayers might not need to pay as much in taxes. We could have health care, subsidized college, research and development grants, an industrial policy that promotes green energy and US jobs. That would generate far more economic activity than we have seen these past three decades. Indeed, countries with great income inequality tend to suffer boom and bust cycles more than countries that have strong progressive taxation.
But there's also a moral and practical aspect to excessive wealth. You cannot create wealth period without massive taxpayer funded expenditures in courts (to enforce contracts), roads and bridges (to transport goods), education and research (to get educated employees and basic materials), fire and police, water, and so on. Taxing the wealthiest is exactly the same as Warren Buffett demanding a reasonable rate of return on his investment. Taxpayers deserve the same return. If Warren gives you a dollar and you make ten dollars, you better believe he'll show up at your door asking for his cut of your nine dollar profit. Taxpayers deserve the same respect for their infrastructure investments, especially since wealth is impossible without that investment.
But also think of the morality of making 344 million dollars in a year with an effective tax rate of 16.7% (as David Cay Johnston reported recently was the average for the top 400 income earners in 2006 or 2007)? So their take home for $344 million was about 285 million with taxes paid at about 59 million. In English, invested at 5%, 285 million generates 14 million a year and 1 million a month for doing nothing but breathe. Let those numbers sink in. The average US salary is about 40,000 a year, I believe.
Now imagine if that person kept 100 million of their money and wrote a check to taxpayers for 244 million to cover taxpayer funded infrastructure that made that wealth possible. At 5% interest on their 100 million, they'd make 5 million a year and 416,000 a month, again for doing nothing for more than breathe. How much money, in short, is too much money? Insisting the wealthiest only pay 16.7% effective tax rate means our society as a whole has to forgo much of what we need so that this wealthy person can earn a million a month instead of 400,000 a month. It's beyond selfish. Indeed, it reminds me of Imelda Marcos and her 3,000 pairs of shoes, enough to wear a new pair every day for eight years. At some point, we as a society have to step up and set the limits for wealth.
Finally, while I whole heartedly support everyone's right to make as much money as they can, there also is an issue around trust fund wealth. You can argue second generation gets some money because they were part of the family and may have been poor while Dad or Mom got rich. But grandchildren? Great grandchildren? It's the same moral question: where do you draw the line between a natural selfish and human interest in keeping as much money as you make with the society and taxpayer's equal right to a fair return and a just society?
Sorry to go on but this is not a simple subject. It does not fit on a bumper sticker. And it requires people to think with both their hearts and their heads. Trust me, we can do better than we have since 1980 when it comes to wealth in our society.In response to another comment. See in context »
The $344.8 million average income for the Top 400 Taxpayers I broke the story about was 2007. That was up 31%, or about $80 million, from 2006.
The issues so thoughtfully discussed here — in contrast to the drunken bar level posts of most blogs — is a delight to discover.
The issues of income, wealth and inequality are subtle, complex and too little discussed in the news or by politicians.
Few people understand that we have changed our system from one with a top marginal tax rate (not average or effective, but on the last dollar) of 91% during the GOP Eisenhower years when the middle class had its greatest growth to Reaganism, where in 2007 the bottom 90% had smaller average income than it did back in 1973.
What we have developed is a redistribution system that redistributes UP, way up.
Entire industries and companies derive all of their profits from hidden subsidies. Some companies legally embed taxes into monopoly prices that you are forced to pay, but then never turn the money over to government, also legally. Many people enjoy huge incomes and legally pay no taxes, which is why it is important to keep in mind that my report was on the official data on the top 400 taxpayers — there is no official report on the top 400 incomes.
And all of this is achieved through mind-numbing complexity than I turn into plain English in PERFECTLY LEGAL(Taxes) and FREE LUNCH (subsidies),. both of which were national bestsellers. A third book in the series will be out in the fall: THE FINE PRINT.
To get our economy back on track we have to stop treating tax as a four-letter word unworthy of consideration and understand, as the Founders did, that taxes are the government. Indeed, that is why the first Republic failed in the 1780s.
In Perfectly Legal (the paperback) you can also learn how the invention of the moral basis for progressive taxes gave birth to democracy.
The system we have know, in which working class Americans bear a heavier tax burden than the very richest among us, is not a progressive system. Progresisve taxation stops, statistically, at around the $10 million income level.
And BTW, in 2007 the only income group in America whose average income rose was the 18,000 plus taxpayers who made more than $10 million that year.In response to another comment. See in context »
First, thank you for the kinds words and additional information. You're actually one of my favorite journalists along with Dana Priest and a few others. So I'm a little gob-smacked.
Data about wealth in this country seems fairly difficult to find. For example, I'm intrigued by your 18,000 who made more than $10 million a year. If anyone can be a millionaire, it seems the odds of being in that 18,000 and not the 300 million who aren't, well those are lousy odds.
I'm especially interested in data about inherited wealth. The 18 families worth $185 billion that hired a lobbyist to repeal the estate tax suggests there is a massive amount of wealth concentrated in very few hands. Yet details about that group seem well hidden. You're more likely to hear about CEO pay or Wall Street bonuses which probably is small beer compared to old money.
In any event, thank you for the additional data!In response to another comment. See in context »
[...] Why can't people escape poverty? It's not income, it's wealth – Megan Cottre… [...]
Actually, you're all about 5 years behind w/the Barbara Ehrenreich stuff.
In her latest book, "Bright Sided", Ehrenreich notes on page 180 that, "Americans are less likely to move upward from their class of origin than are Germans, Canadians (Caitlin!), Finns, French, Swedes Norwegians, or Danes."
She goes on to further add, "As two researchers at the Brookings Institution observed, a little wryly, in 2006: '[The] strong belief in opportunity and upward mobility is the explanation that is often given for Americans' high tolerance for inequality. The majority of Americans surveyed believe that they will be above mean income in the future (even though that is a mathematical impossibility).'"
So if the Horatio Alger myth would just die the death it deserves and that is long overdue, there might be an inkling of economic justice and equality in this country.
And given the current economic climate, where Ph.D.'s are applying for waitress jobs, etc. just to survive, I'm not sure education is the answer. It's a numbers game, and all the education in the world isn't going to help when your job is shipped overseas, etc. Education is not going to stop the system from being broken; it may only just give you a slightly better life raft within the broken system.
Caitlin is right, unfortunately: it's not what you know, but who you know, that is your best bet. And Peterson obviously never had a chance on that one.
We're obviously behind! I've been meaning to pick up "Bright-Sided" so thanks for the information.
I think basic education and technical education can still be a big help. I volunteer with kids, who in middle school, struggle to read or write on a basic level. They describe classes with 40+ students where there's not enough toilet paper or lined paper to go around. A poor elementary education disqualifies them from the nicer high schools in the city, and they get further and further behind.
Education can't help you from getting your job shipped overseas, unless we can educate our children for the information age we live in. If our kids aren't educated, they won't be able to spur the kind of innovation we need to overcome creative destruction.
But, I will say, my college degree certainly wasn't a ticket out of poverty.
Thanks again for commenting. I will pick up that book!In response to another comment. See in context »
Oh wait! Heaven's NO! I didn't mean to imply that we should just become a nation of high school graduates and no one should go to college!
What I meant in a larger context was that in light of all the labor studies showing that the largest growth over the next decade is for low-wage stuff like retail and service work because of the dismantling of the working class since the Reagan era, the real problem is "quality" jobs because the QUANTITY of them are fewer and fewer as they are shipped overseas, etc.
You bet we need educated kids to do R&D and innovation. I just am afraid to see so many young people run off to college to get a general degree (or older ones returning), only to come out saddled in student loan debt and fighting/competing for a seat at a rapidly-dwindling table.
College enrollment rates are through the roof (along with tuition) and Obama removing the profiteering banks and their usury student loans from the equation are great signs. However, it seems like until the Boomers retire, there's no place to put all the newly-minted, but highly-indebted graduates.
As far as your ticket out of poverty, keep doing what you're doing and your day will come. It will be because of your talent and compassion; your degree will be incidental.
(And as an off-topic aside, don't let people try to railroad you on your credentials like I saw on the comments on one of your other posts. You don't need to be a weather man to know which way the wind is blowing. All the credentialed people somehow couldn't seem to figure out there was a housing collapse afoot, even though it was the cover story in Harpers magazine–complete with diagrams–in May 2006!! Robert McNamara had credentials, too, and look where THAT got the country…)In response to another comment. See in context »
Yes, definitely. A college degree is not what it used to be, especially a liberal arts degree.
I just meet a lot of people who would like to get a degree in jobs that are growing – like health care – but don't have the basic skills to even apply. There's this great place in Chicago that does a bridge program for public housing residents, helping them increase their basic math and reading skills while learning about health care so that they can get into a program. The graduates are really amazing! They're so motivated. Anyway, we're obviously on the same page here.
I actually just wrote a piece about why I chose to go to a less fancy school to escape student loan debt (http://www.walletpop.com/blog/2010/03/21/fear-of-student-loan-debt-made-me-skip-fancy-schools-for-a-free-one/), so I am lucky not to have school debt, but so many people I know do. And many of them graduate without a degree that will get their loans paid off, which is scary. We have a huge generation of people already saddled with debt, with little prospect of getting a job and too poor of credit to qualify for a mortgage. That's a scary prospect for our future communities.
Thank you for your kind comments. So many people leave ridiculous, insulting comments (as is the nature of the internet), that I wish I had enough cash to send people $5 when they left a nice one. So, good karma to youIn response to another comment. See in context »
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[...] Why can't people escape poverty? It's not income, it's wealth – Megan Cottre… [...]
As a man of 26 currently living in poverty, you hit the nail on the head. My parents came here in the 90s with nothing but the bags they carried with them from the airport, we lived in a motel for a month, then in a 1 bedroom apartment, 2 kids, 2 adults for 12 years.
They also bought into this "American Dream" of study hard,work hard and you can have a house, car, good job and a secure future.
The reality is far from it,living paycheck to paycheck and the social nepotism of the affluent drives that wedge even deeper. It's simple to me, the more you earn in this country, the more you should give back via taxes, nothing I've seen so far has proven that the top earners in America spend more on improving the economy if they are taxed less. If it were so, I must have missed the Bush administration's boom years of unbridled wealth for all.
Heck, I'd even go so far as to say that people earning 30k and below shouldn't be taxed AT ALL.
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Omissions I noticed, but other wise cracking guide!
Mission 3:
After you kill the 4 guys in the merchandise store ("They seem nice enough") don't follow Passos into the bar. Go right and into the toilets, there's a PK just to the right of the cubicles, past the corpse. This is well out of the way and not recommended for a regular NYM run
Mission 8: At the end, post-Morgue, when you and Passos are behind the podium (?) you both start off in cover. Shuffle to the right, whoop there it is.
Mission 13: There's another PK in the room where you open the security doors (The third 'room' of the level). You start this room taking cover behind a pillar. From here it's in the room at your 3 O'clock position.
Mission 13 again: After you kill the LMG guy you go into a briefing room, then into an Evidence Room, you turn right to take out two guards drawing your attention away from an office on the left-hand-side with a PK on the wall.
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- ^ "Crosby's true nickname ... Darryl?". ESPN. 2005-10-04. Retrieved 2008-01-26.
- ^ Benson, Jeff (2005-11-18). "Sid The Kid". Kidsnewsroom. Retrieved 2007-03-18.
- ^ Loeffler, William (2007-02-25). "Sports is spoken here". Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. Retrieved 2007-03-18.
Is the handshake 'controversy' not an example of recentism? Dbrodbeck (talk) 22:43, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
- I might also call it a case of undue weight. Resolute 22:44, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Bias. Source also states: "The Penguins were unhappy with the accusation, especially since Crosby was photographed going through the line." and "it was uncertain how long Lidstrom waited." 1amishman (talk) 02:37, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- Providing a source supplies some reasons to the tradition of the handshake at the end of the game, its really not hugely notable yet. Theres a great deal of biasy with this in general with the photos as well considering the line had dissapated by the time he showd up. You could look at every angle from the wings and pens point of view and create a POV for each case which sould be avoided. Great care should be taken to balance this if its included in the article. In the end its just not notable (yet) in my opinion. Ottawa4ever (talk) 14:15, 14 June 2009
Sidney Crosby also had the B-DAY of his life when he washed the Stanley Cup.
^it would be really nice if the sidney crosby picture would be change to this or a picture of him holding the stanley cup :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lipshun (talk • contribs) 04:33, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- if you can get a 'free' photo of him, go ahead. be bold. Ill add also that most articles on hockey players do not use a photo of them holding the stanley cup (to my awareness) in the main bio photo and would probably suggest embedding a photo like that in the article rather than at the top (seems to be the trend in articles). Ottawa4ever (talk) 14:17, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
- The copyright for that photo is owned by Getty Images, and since it is their business to sell photos to publications, there is no way Wikipedia could use it as we require freely licensed images. Resolute 15:15, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Youngest player to captain a stanley cup team[edit]
I think a bit of caution with the wording here is necessary and for future edits that may change the way its written. Sidney crosby is by definition the youngest player to capatin a team in winning the stanley cup in the history of the NHL. But is not the youngest captain to win the stanley cup. This was done by Mike Grant on the montreal victorias who was 21 years old and 2 months in 1895 when he won the stanley cup (born 1874 Januray), where crosby was 21 and 10 mths this June. By definition youngest in the NHL. Ottawa4ever (talk) 02:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
The article mentions: "At 21 years, 10 months, and 5 days, Crosby became the youngest NHL captain to hoist the Cup.[6] (The youngest captain to lead his team to the Stanley Cup in the history of the trophy is Mike Grant of the 1895 Montreal Victorias, who was 21 years and 2 months at the time.)" so that means lead his team to AND WIN the trophy I'm assuming, because Crosby captained his team in the Stanley Cup Final a year before that at 20 years and 10 months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 06:40, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I attended Harrison Trimble in Moncton, N.B and thats where Sidney earned a diploma from Harrison Trimble High School (Source: http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/sports/article/698292
I remember meeting him and seeing his photo on the Graduation Wall after.
Can someone edit this to include it?
Dell970 (talk) 02:31, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
This article has been locked for ages, and for good reason too. Because whenever it is unlocked a large group of users enter and label all mention of the word Sidney with Cindy. But given how much this goes on not just on Wikipedia but on other media outlets and amongst fans, is it encyclopaedic to include a criticism section which includes this perception of him and the common nickname he is given by opposing fans? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 09:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
- I looked at another article that does this by replacing names with other common abreviations. The problem with that article is they cite Blogs, furoms etc. Sources which are really not encyclopedic. Any team in the NHL or player of populairty will always have nicknames associated by rival teams, and their fans that is a fact, and that is readily apparent on fan furoms. But that doesnt make those valid sources. If a respected and valid source wrote an article and called him cindy (which I am not aware that they did and could be mistaken) and said thats whats going on in a reputable source, by all means be bold add it with a source. But beyond that, its a biography it has to be a valid source. Otherwise your defaming the person. However there is room to reorgianize for a critism section but the information that would fit there is pretty small (hand shake controvsery is the only thing that comes to mind). You can be bold and reorganize the article see if it has consensus if its not removed. happy editing Ottawa4ever (talk) 16:16, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- Criticism sections should be avoided whenever possible, especially in biographies of living people. Critical content can remain in the article, but it should be merged into the rest of the text to give it proper weight and context. That being said, it's really not worth it to mention derogatory nicknames. Given that sports are all about competition, every team and notable player has a slew of stupid nicknames assigned by rival fans. It'd be like writing about Whine Gretzky or the Toronto MakeMeLaughs.-Wafulz (talk) 15:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- And especially in articles of people who don't participate in activities that have what can be considered legitimate "criticism"...--Smashvilletalk 16:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- Criticism sections should be avoided whenever possible, especially in biographies of living people. Critical content can remain in the article, but it should be merged into the rest of the text to give it proper weight and context. That being said, it's really not worth it to mention derogatory nicknames. Given that sports are all about competition, every team and notable player has a slew of stupid nicknames assigned by rival fans. It'd be like writing about Whine Gretzky or the Toronto MakeMeLaughs.-Wafulz (talk) 15:44, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
- What, exactly, separates the legitimacy or notability of 'Cindy' from all the obsessively vulgar things people who dislike Crosby spew? (His long-standing sexual relationship with Gary Bettman, for instance.) Perhaps there's room for a section on "Backlash", with talk about Alexander Semin's remarks, or the imbecilicly juvenile Caps fans and their pacifiers at the last regular-season game (where Sid proceeded to get the GW in the shootout), but anyone who hates Crosby can go nearly anywhere else than Wiki for instruction in it. –ConkblockCity (talk) 09:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- In case anyone else is somehow confused, I meant the Bettman example as mouth-breathing garbage that people who dislike him spew, NOT meant to be considered as true or included in the article! But thanks to the user who deleted my comment in its entirety in the vigilant interests of BLP. –ConkblockCity (talk) 14:00, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
The Detroit Red Wings article has "The Dead Wings Era" as one of its headings. And I think the Cindy derogotary nicknames came from his rookie season where he was criticized for diving and whining. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 07:49, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hey guys look, while I don't usually edit hockey articles but i am a big time hockey fan. I dislike Crosby with a huge passion. I do think though, that there should be a section called critisism that includes stuff about him being a whiner (ie: complaining about the amounts of hats on the ice) & a diver. There is lots of video proof out there of that. I think, if it could be written in a unbiased way, it could be constructive. You guys can say what you want but there is A LOT of critisism about his whining 7 his long history of diving. The problem is that it is hard to cite that stuff because most of the evidence of it is in blogs & places like that. That is one of the problems with media related stuff like this it is very difficult to cite. The thing is is EVERYONE knows there is a lot of critisism out there about him. If you were to ask all the announcers in the NHL if Crosby is a diver most of them would probably say so. There is FOR SURE a lot of critisism about his style but it's hard to cite it without using blogs to do it. Sometimes you just need to take a person's word for it. There are times when citing is necessary but there are others when it simply is impossible, such as here. Trust me guys, i'm an avid Youtube user & trust me, most Crosby videos are filled with "hes such a pussy, crybaby, whiner, diving punk, ect." There is NO denying there is critisism out there about his play. If you need proof of that, go to Philadelphia Flyers game vs the Pens. You will hear a lot of Crosby sucks chants.
- My point is this stuff for sure should be added into the article however it just needs to be written in an unbiased way. If you want to critisize him openly, get an account on Youtube & keep that stuff there, not here. Cheers to all AndrewEnns (talk) 03:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- One cannot just 'take someone's word for it'. Reliable sources are needed. This is also, it strikes me, an NPOV issue. Star players are always criticized, especially by opposing fans. (It should be noted that these same criticisms, 'whiner' and 'crybaby' were said about Gretzky, and 'lazy' was oft levelled at Mario Lemiuex early in their careers). Finally, the idea that if Philly fans say something that is valid criticism, I guess we ought to have a section in the Santa Claus article about how hated Santa is in Philly.... http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/30/sports/football/30nfl.html Dbrodbeck (talk) 12:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- You obviosly are not a hockey fan because you just don't get it. He is critisized relentlessly by more than just flyer fans, pretty much every team's fans hate him. This is where Wikipediaz's you have to have a good reference policy is unfair. Only a true hockey fan would understand what I'm talkin about. Dbrodbeck, I understand you are trying to make sure Wikipedia isn't full of nonsense, but seriously, writing a section about critisism would not be total nonsense, even if it has no references. You have to be a hockey fan to understand this & I for one, am one. You probably are not & that is okay, I'm just saying that if you can't understad what I'm saying, this probably isn't a place you should be editing.
- My point is this stuff for sure should be added into the article however it just needs to be written in an unbiased way. If you want to critisize him openly, get an account on Youtube & keep that stuff there, not here. Cheers to all AndrewEnns (talk) 03:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The bottomline is that this critisism DOES exist & if it is done in an unbiased way it can go on Wikipedaia. Also, it could say in the article that he is critisized often in blogs & on Youtube (I would know that, as I said I'm an avid Youtube user). And if it is put on Wikipedai in an unbiased way, it can be added. AndrewEnns (talk) 16:13, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- An unbiased and referenced section would need to be added. I have been a hockey fan for quite a long time now, since the early 1970s. Please take a look at my editing history, I have edited quite a few hockey related articles. I am also an active participant in the Ice Hockey project. Either way, my fandom is irrelevant. The policy (WP:BLP) is quite fair it seems to me, though that is neither here nor there. Finally, as I noted, criticism of star players from opposing fans is exceedingly common, see my Gretzky and Lemieux points above. Dbrodbeck (talk) 16:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
- This was an idea that would hopefully satisfy those that criticize Sid, call him Cindy etc. and lower the amount of vandalism here. As things stand, this article will be semi-protected forever and while you might say it's just a question of signing up, I've always felt that Wikipedia avoids permanently semi-protecting an article so that it remains The Free Encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. Anyway, it is not as if the criticism does not exist. It does. And it is not just name-calling, it cites incidents where he has been criticized. I think the article must mention it, as an encyclopaedia. For Gretzky, if there were incidents where he was criticized heaps then put it there as well. If there are a lot of such incidents, add criticism section otherwise integrate it into article. No-one's asking for Sidney Patrick Crosby also known as Cindy but are just asking for the criticism to be covered somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 07:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Any section needs reliable sources, it is that simple. 138, when you say 'it cites incidents...' above, what is 'it' referring to? Dbrodbeck (talk) 10:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just a note. Alexander Ovechkin has a section where it includes a paragraph on criticism he has received for his celebrations. Crosby's is at least as valid as that. On another note, is it worth adding Crosby's rivalry with Ovechkin, ("like it or lump it, some people like it, personally I don't" vs. "what can I say, he's a good player. But he talks too much") —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 05:39, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Any section needs reliable sources, it is that simple. 138, when you say 'it cites incidents...' above, what is 'it' referring to? Dbrodbeck (talk) 10:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
- This was an idea that would hopefully satisfy those that criticize Sid, call him Cindy etc. and lower the amount of vandalism here. As things stand, this article will be semi-protected forever and while you might say it's just a question of signing up, I've always felt that Wikipedia avoids permanently semi-protecting an article so that it remains The Free Encyclopaedia that anyone can edit. Anyway, it is not as if the criticism does not exist. It does. And it is not just name-calling, it cites incidents where he has been criticized. I think the article must mention it, as an encyclopaedia. For Gretzky, if there were incidents where he was criticized heaps then put it there as well. If there are a lot of such incidents, add criticism section otherwise integrate it into article. No-one's asking for Sidney Patrick Crosby also known as Cindy but are just asking for the criticism to be covered somewhere. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 07:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I see one thing missing from this discussion: A single reliable source which is critical of Crosby. Until we have one of those, there's not much of a reason to add any critisism. YouTube nor blogs are relaible. blackngold29 19:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just from a quick search. Dan Steinberg of the Washington Post, ESPN survey which at least shows fan opinion which can be included, Crosby faceoff fight and later complaining. The problem is you won't get NHL.com or TSN.ca saying Crosby's a crybaby. You will get some info on the stuff that he's complained about. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 00:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree with Wafulz, a criticism section is not a good idea. Criticism is empty of value. It comes, it goes. Some specific instances, such as Crosby and the hats is completely trivial. If we have one criticism section, then why not everywhere? Bad idea. Hating a player is not something we should encourage here. Alaney2k (talk) 17:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
If you want to put criticism on Crosby's page, you must put it on every NHL player's page. I don't know of a player who hasn't been criticized for something! Even people who aren't as well known as Sid face criticism from fans and supporters of other teams. Backstrom of the Capitals shot the puck into his own net. Everyone criticized that. "Crybaby" should not be used for a player so great that he led his team, at the age of 21, to the Stanley Cup. And to the Finals two years in a row! It took Gretzky 5 years in the league and took Lemieux (men who both have said that Sidney was great enough to break their records) 7 years. Crying isn't what gets you a Stanley Cup. Being a leader is. MariosMinion 15:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MariosMinion (talk • contribs)
- Crosby won in 4 NHL years vs gretzkys 5?(what about gretzky's 92 goals by year 3?)., Doesnt seem like a very great comparison. what about corey perry who won in his second year? would that not make him a greator player than crosby? I think a criticsm section is not appropriate, and as well i dont think direct comparisons to Lemuiex or Gretzky (or any other player) are really appropriate either unless he actually does break their records and of course the resulting references would say that (and the article already mentions these (youngest NHL player to captain etc). Goes the same as critiscm you need sources and facts to beef them up. Just some thoughts to your statement above 18.104.22.168 (talk) 13:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
What this article lacks and I am blown away by the void is a discussion of what makes Crosby a great player. Commentators say he can see three moves ahead and that he has a genius hockey brain comparable to that of Bobby Orr. Can this be integrated into the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fanfardon (talk • contribs) 00:04, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Can we now add the fact that he doesn't like the Philadelphia Flyers? As per his locker room interview following Game 1.
Minor typo[edit]
My account is not yet confirmed, and I tried to fix this typo in the main intro on the page:
"He is the seventh player in NHL history to haved earned all three awards."
The word "haved" to should be spelt "have". Percyhanna (talk) 02:03, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
- Done Fixed, thanks. --Patar knight - chat/contributions 03:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
2003 U18 Junior World Cup[edit]
I was just wondering why his particpation at the 2003 Junior World Cup isn't included on his international stats. He led the tournament in scoring, and other NHL players have the tournament mentioned. For years, it has been the premier national championship for players under 18, since the "Official" U18 takes place in the Winter around the time of the U20, and the Junior World Cup, or the Ivan Hlinka tournament, as it is now known, takes place in the summer. It doesn't have to be mentioned in the article, but I feel it should be added into this international stats collumn at least. He led the tournament in points and was also the youngest player to ever play in a national U18 tournament. He was only 15. It's truly an important part of his career since it had never been done before. It's mind-boggling to think that he was playing for an American prep school when all the others were playing Major Junior or an equivalent. His stat line was 4-2-6 in 5 games.
You can see him on the roster here: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/4418/la_id/1.htm Source of his statline: http://www.hockeycanada.ca/index.php/ci_id/3264/la_id/1.htm —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 19:31, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the heads up. The junior international tournaments besides the WJC always tend to be ignored on Wikipedia. I've gone ahead and added it into the international stats and international play prose. Orlandkurtenbach (talk) 23:20, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
A dangling modifier needs fixing[edit]
One sentence begins, "At thirteen, the..." It is about a federation denying crosby permission to play with 17-year-olds.
That sentence has a dangling modifier. If you want to start it with "At thirteen," the subject has to be crosby, not the federation.
It needs to be rephrased as "When Crosby was thirteen, the ..." That rephrase eliminates the grammatical error currently embedded in the sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Misleading Sentence in Introduction[edit]
"Crosby was drafted by the Penguins out of the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League (QMJHL) first overall after earning back-to-back CHL Player of the Year awards and leading his club to the 2005 Memorial Cup during his two-year major junior career with the Rimouski Océanic"
My problem is with the bolded statement. While it is a true fact in that it refers to the Memorial Cup Tournament (where the Oceanic made the finals, losing 4-0 to London) it can easily be mis-interpreted as meaning that Sidney Crosby led Rimouski to a Memorial Cup Championship (which is false). It could easily be clarified with the addition of the word "finals" or "tournament" or re-written as "leading his club to the 2005 QMJHL Championship and a birth in the Memorial Cup" or something along those lines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 02:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- I agree. Should say "Memorial Cup finals" instead of Memorial Cup". 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:59, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
- Agreed and changed. Resolute 22:03, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Minor Typo[edit]
The caption of the second picture on the page reads "Crosby shortly after being designated the alternate captaincy during his rookie campaign." The verb designated should work like "appointed," not like "given." So "Crosby shortly after being designated alternate captain during his rookie campaign" would make much more sense and read better.
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Couple New Additions[edit]
The Stanley Cup should be an award under the NHL section. Also, "Most points in the NHL as a teenager" should be on there. It is perhaps his most impressive record. He had 222 points, more than any other teenager ever recorded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 02:13, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
- Both should be mentioned in the article body. As neither is an individual award, I don't think it belongs in the awards section. Resolute 03:22, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Okay, that's fine, some other players have it listed, but it doesn't matter. But the teenage point record definitely belongs in the record section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 04:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
- Perhaps. Do you have an article noting this handy? If so, link it here and I will add it in. Resolute 15:18, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
Nope, no article. Just this: http://www.hockey-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=&year_max=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=19&birth_country=&franch_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos=S&handed=&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=points —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 02:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
Youngest All-Star Game Participant[edit]
Don't have a Wikipedia account & have never edited anything, so I'm not really comfortable editing this myself. But the statement "Youngest All-Star Game Participant" under Records needs to be changed/corrected. He's the youngest to be voted a starter in the All-Star Game (which is what it actually says in the article cited), not the youngest to ever play in one period. Several players played in one at a younger age than Crosby. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 01:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC) Jess05
World Championship 2010[edit]
Something about Crosby's disgraceful behavior, not playing in the World Championship 2010, must be put on the main page. It should be in the top intro as well, since there is mention of his scoring in the World Championship 2006.
Even though his Pittsburgh counterpart Malkin played for Russia in the World Championship 2010, Sidney Crosby did not set foot on the ice for Canada. Rene Fasal criticized Crosby's decision to abandon team Canada at the World Championship of 2010. (citation needed) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 14:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
- Moved both comments down into chronological order. And personally, I see no reason at all to mention the fact that Crosby, like many other NHL players, chose to take a pass on the tournament. The only disgraceful behaviour I've seen in this story has come from the IIHF itself, which seems to have failed to realize that it is by no means unique in this regard. The World Figure Skating championships, for instance, is notorious for having competitors pass on the world championships in an Olympic year. To my view, this is a WP:NOTNEWS issue related to the opinion of an individual writer within the IIHF. Resolute 15:15, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
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Edit request from Penswincup09, 21 July 2010[edit]
{{editsemiprotected}} Sidney Crosby was born in Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada. He grew up in Cole habour.
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Are you sure about that? Kentisland17 (talk) 23:26, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Edit request from 126.96.36.199, 9 September 2010[edit]
Still waiting for someone to make the following change:
The statement "Youngest All-Star Game Participant" under Records needs to be changed. He's the youngest to be voted a starter in the All-Star Game (which is what it actually says in the article cited), not the youngest to ever play in one period. Several players played in one at a younger age than Crosby. Steve Yzerman was only 18 when he played in his 1st all star game. See also the following link from the NHL website: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=29027#youngold. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 21:32, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
I made a Hebrew translation. he:סידני קרסבי
2011 Concussion[edit]
Some discussion of Sidney Crosby's concussion in the early weeks of 2011 should be included in the subsection on the 2010-2011 season. In which game did the injury occur? Is it well known which collision damaged his brain? How many games has he missed, and at what impact to the team? I came here looking for this information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
YEs this definatly needs to updated to include the cuncussion. IT's a huge part of his career sicne he's missed like 17 games (Or soummit like that) cuz of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 20:16, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Added a paragraph under the 2011 season. Feel free to change I'm bad at writing eloquently Turtleboy267 (talk) 00:51, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Where did the paragraph go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:22, 25 February 2011 (UTC)
Look, someone tried to add the stuff on Crosby's concussion and it got taken down for lack of references. WOuldn't it make more sense to leave it up and tag the section as "needing references" so the community can provide them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 13:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
- This article is the target of a lot of vandalism so I think editors err on the side of caution. WHy not provide refs here, and then a short writeup people can agree on, then we can put it in the article. Dbrodbeck (talk) 13:26, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
All the info is here: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/feed/2011-02/crosbys-concussion Put the other paragraph back in and reference the sporting news. All I want is a description of how/when the injury occurred, and the time missed. Notice how locking articles prevents progress? So does removing whole paragraphs - which are factually correct - because they lack references. Leave it in, encourage people to fix it - oh wait, the article is locked! Well, there goes the whole concept of wikipedia. . . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 20:36, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
update edit requested[edit]
I came to this page to find out more about Cosby's injury -- after hearing of lingering effects from the concussion just discussed briefly on the Dan Patrick show, which referenced other reliable source(s) in sports journalism I think, including speculation about whether he will be ready to play this upcoming season. I believe that the section within the article here should be fleshed out more with updated details.. I dont have a link to other sources handy but i'm sure someone more familiar with this article (and hockey in general) could easily find one or two at least. Perhaps this injury can now be considered substantial enough to be mentioned in the lead, which by the way looks like it could be trimmed of some extraneous details, IMO. Thanks. -Anon98.92.. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 19:02, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Does anyone know if he's allowed to be fighting? I was kind of surprised when I saw that. Didn't he have a serious head injury?
Dryer story is inaccurate[edit]
The article currently says:
- Sidney Crosby began playing hockey on his own in his basement at two years old, where he badly damaged the family's clothes dryer by constantly shooting pucks at it.
According to this URL, that story is wrong: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/nhl/penguins/2009-12-15-crosby-dryer_N.htm
- "The story is misunderstood," [Crosby] said, chuckling. "I wasn't trying to shoot pucks in it. When I missed the net, I would hit the dryer on one side of the net. When I appeared on the Jay Leno show, he had me shoot at it, and everyone just assumed I shot pucks in it."
I can't make this fix, because the page is semi-protected and I'm not autoconfirmed. Ftyuv (talk) 00:42, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
- Done. MER-C 06:45, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Edit request from 126.96.36.199, 12 July 2011[edit]
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Sidney Crosby did not buy a house in halifax, Nova Scotia in 2006. It is actually in East Hants County, Nova Scoita. he lives just up the road from me on Grand Lake in a gated in community. Beautiful home.
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Please change paragraph 2 of the Sidney Crosby article where it states that in the 2008 Stanley Cup Finals, the Penguins were "swept by the Detroit Red Wings." This is not accurate. It should read that "the Penguins lost in 6 games to the Detroit Red Wings."
Supporting Information: (Detroit won Games 1 and 2, Pittsburgh won Game 3, Detroit won Game 4, Pittsburgh won Game 5, and Detroit won Game 6, winning the Cup that game.) See stanleycupplayoffs2008.com for verification. I believe Wikipedia has another site on that series as well wherein the information is correct.
Djames66a (talk) 15:49, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Done--Mo Rock...Monstrous (leech44) 16:00, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
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Please remove the IIHF record for being the youngest player to score a goal in World Juniors games (under 20). He lost it yesterday to a Finn, Aleksander Barkov Jr.
- Done. I found a source that verifies this claim, and have removed the record. Cheers, Resolute 15:55, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Edit request: recent criticism[edit]
I think, considering the media coverage, it is worthwhile to add some information here on the recent outburst of criticism Crosby has received not just from opposing teams but also from other people in hockey.
- Flyers assistant coach Berube [1] "two of the dirtiest players on their hockey team"..."They slash, they punch guys in the face they do all these little things," Berube told CSN Philly. "I got no problem with what Schenn does, and if somebody runs (Crosby) over, that's great, they should run him over. This guy gets away with too much in my opinion, whines to the refs all day and all night, it's a joke"
- Rangers coach John Tortorella: [2] "It's a cheap, dirty hit," Tortorella said. "I wonder what would happen if we did it to their two whining stars over there," referring to Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin..."I wonder what would happen," the coach added. "So I'm anxious to see what happens with the league with this. Just not respect amongst players. None. It's sickening."..."They whine about this stuff all of the time, and look what happens?" Tortorella said. "It's ridiculous. But they'll whine about something else over there, won't they?"
- Mike Milbury: [3] "Little Goody Two Shoes [Crosby] goes into the corner and gives a shot to Schenn," Milbury said. "Schenn was late to the party, he should have turned around and drilled him right away, but I guess better late than never. So you know, Crosby gets cross-checked, big whoop. He said after he came back from his 35th concussion, 'I'm not going to do this any more, I'm not going to get into this scrums, I'm going to stay away from that stuff.' He couldn't help himself because there's a little punk in Crosby. He's not the perfect gentleman. He's not the sweet kid you see in interviews with his hat pulled down over his eyes. I'd say screw him, hit him."
- Don Cherry: [4] "All I'm saying when you slash guys, stop doing that stuff. Play the game and just score goals. A long time ago when Crosby was coming out I tried to warn him: 'Quit diving, quit whining.' I was the worst guy in the world … and all I was trying to do was help him. All I was trying to do was help him. All I said was 'stop whining, stop diving and snapping the head back.' If you want to survive in this league, he's got to suck it up and stop getting stupid penalties and going back at guys."
A summary of that referenced criticism should be documented on the page as it is significant and it is widely publicized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 04:02, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- Let's wait a bit, it strikes me as recentism. Dbrodbeck (talk) 04:05, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- A hockey player who isn't a perfect gentleman. Not really noteworthy. It's really routine sports reporting. This is something to consider when his career is over and you can have some perspective. ʘ alaney2k ʘ (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2012 (UTC)
- Scott Hartnell: "They were going after a couple of our guys' heads. It's scary when it comes down to that level," Hartnell said. "You ask the best player in the world, Sidney Crosby, what they're thinking over there: 'That's playoff hockey?' "For me, that's not playoff hockey, that is dangerous hockey. They were just trying to hurt people." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 10:47, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
- I agree. To have an article this long about Crosby that doesn't ever mention any of the widespread criticism of his unsportsmanlike conduct is simply outrageous. And I don't just mean the recent criticism. Poll after poll from previous years has demonstrated this. Without a section on this, you can't reasonably say that the article has a neutral point of view.PStrait (talk) 16:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Don't forget other incidents where Crosby has been criticized:
- Red Wings claim Crosby was unsportsmanlike regarding the handshake after the 2009 Stanley Cup Finals
- Henrik Lundqvist confronts Crosby in-game about a dive, reignites 'Crosby is a diver' controversy
- Crosby asks on-ice official to ask fans to stop throwing hats following an Ovechkin hat trick
And in this series just gone past Crosby has been criticized for his comments following Game 3, and his childish knocking of Voracek's glove which led to a couple of fights and game misconducts. Crosby's comments were mocked by an official Flyers t-shirt. How many other players receive this much criticism? This needs to be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:47, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- " It is that he is perhaps the most unsportsmanlike player in the league, and has been for years" - in a league full of goons, that sounds like a load of biased bullshit to me. Please find anything that equates with a reliable source saying anything close to this, and we can consider adding it. As for the other comments - how about we add the criticism to Crosby when you agree to add similar criticism that other players have received? And if you say he gets more criticism, that's undue weight - he is a better known player so of course he gets it. It is about how much criticism he gets in relation to all the other comments, and how much of it comes from neutral sources, not other teams doing the whole "You're a crybaby, I'm tougher than you are, my dick is bigger than yours" bullshit. Magog the Ogre (talk) 13:30, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
- Crosby Centre of Attention in Wrong Way 188.8.131.52 (talk) 09:34, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
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Fix the name of Sidney Crosby, it states on his page that his name is Sidney Cry Baby Crosby which is wrong it is actually Sidney Patrick Crosby. Selenasweetstar (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Selenasweetstar (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Done. TerminalPreppie (talk) 19:37, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
Career Stats[edit]
While I understand listing the stats to include Juniors and/or college, as well as the Minors, is it really necessary that we list his PeeWee and Bantam stats? I mean, it's not a problem to mention his adolescent career in the article, but c'mon, eh? Even Gretzky's and Mario's career stats don't include what they did in PeeWee or Bantams. Just saying. 00:35, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
Could we include the +/- stats? Many other players have this column in the table of career stats, and I don't know why this column is missing in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pittsburgher1987 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
Player profile[edit]
I think there should be a player profile included on this page. I believe it would inform people of what Crosby is best at on the ice and what his style of play is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 03:33, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 11 April 2013[edit]
Sidney Crosby was born in COLE HARBOUR NOT HALIFAX — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 02:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- As you will see if you check the source I just added, Crosby was born in the Grace Maternity Hospital, which is located in Halifax. His parents lived in Cole Harbour, but as there are no maternity hospitals in Cole Harbour they wisely decided going across the bridge to Halifax was preferable to a home birth. 142 and 99 (talk) 03:42, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
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- First rookie to record 100 points and 100 penalty minutes in a season[1]
- Youngest player to record 100 points in a season (18 years, 253 days) [2]
- Youngest player to record 200 career points (19 years and 207 days)[3]
- Youngest player to record 2 consecutive 100 point seasons (19 years, 215 days).[4]
All of these "records" are in HEAVY dispute. Wayne Gretzky played in the WHA, then a pro hockey league as big as the NHL at the age of 17 in 1978. When the WHA was folded into the NHL in 1980 Gretzky and his WHA team, the Edmonton Oilers, came with it. Gretzy was ruled ineligible for the Calder Trophy (rookie of the year) in 1979-1980 because he had already played a year of "pro hockey" and all of the records of the WHA teams that were folded into the NHL (Edmonton Oilers, Winnipeg Jets, Hartford Whalers) were absorbed and regarded as official NHL stats. Therefore Gretzky's points as "professional hockey player" must also count if he was not eligible to be rookie of the year. In 1978-79 Gretzky scored 110 points for Edmonton and Indianapolis in 80 games, a MUCH faster rate to 100 points than Crosby. (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Gretzky). In 1979-80 for Edmonton Gretzky scored 137 points for Edmonton in 79 games, again a MUCH faster rate to 200 points than Crosby (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_Gretzky). Both of these campaigns happened before Gretzky's 19th birthday. Please remove these invalid "records" from Crosby's page. They contradict the Wayne Gretzky entry in wikipedia and are, really, at best based on a technicality. Jyoders19 (talk) 20:23, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
- Wayne Gretzky was not a rookie when he started in the NHL. Do you have any sources at all for this so called 'heavy dispute?' Dbrodbeck (talk) 22:29, 18 June 2013 (UTC).
- Not to mention that no, the WHA statistics of those teams are not considered "official NHL stats". It was a different league, and so far as the NHL was concerned, the Oilers, Jets, Whalers and Nordiques were expansion teams. Resolute 13:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- I agree. Crosby's records are not generic "pro hockey" records. They are NHL records. So Gretzky's WHA stats don't count toward NHL records any more than someone's KHL stats this year would count toward NHL records. 142 and 99 (talk) 03:45, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Not to mention that no, the WHA statistics of those teams are not considered "official NHL stats". It was a different league, and so far as the NHL was concerned, the Oilers, Jets, Whalers and Nordiques were expansion teams. Resolute 13:36, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
- ^ Vest, David (January 27, 2007). "Crosby on verge of taking over Great One's throne". The Arizona Republic. Retrieved June 27, 2008.
- ^ Cite error: The named reference
crosby_lessonwas invoked but never defined (see the help page).
- ^ "Crosby youngest to net 200 NHL points". CBC Sports. March 2, 2007. Retrieved April 29, 2008.
- ^ "Crosby reaches century mark in Pens win". TSN. March 11, 2007. Archived from the original on June 18, 2008. Retrieved April 29, 2008.
Is it "Trina Forbes-Crosby" or just "Trina Crosby"[edit]
Sid's mother's name is reported as "Trina Forbes-Crosby". I did a google search for that name and got 62 hits, including Sid's Wikipedia page and a few pages that copied the text from the Wikipedia page. A Pittsburgh Gazette story also comes up, but without the hyphen. A google search for just "Trina Crosby" gave me 1560 hits with NHL.com and Sports Illustrated pages coming at the top of that list. "Forbes" was her surname before she got married, but it looks to me that like she does not hyphenate her name. Any thoughts on which it should be? 142 and 99 (talk) 04:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
- Seeing no objections, I'm going to change how she is referred to on the page. Further discussion is still welcome if someone thinks this is an error. 142 and 99 (talk) 15:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
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Crosby's birth place is Coal Harbour, Nova Scotia, Canada Thehockeyscout (talk) 00:19, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
- He grew up in Cole Harbour but he was born in Halifax. Pens Through My Lens (talk) 01:39, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Edit request[edit]
"However, after playing another seven games, for a total of 12 points in 8 games, Crosby's concussion-like symptoms returned in December 2011, possibly following an elbow hit by David Krejci in his eighth game of the season."
This line needs to be edited. No sources and speculation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 22:24, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
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team = Pittsburgh Penguins Ryansurquhart (talk) 23:51, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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==In media==
Crosby's youth hockey career is mentioned in the bestselling book Odd Man Rush: A Harvard Kid's Hockey Odyssey from Central Park to Somewhere in Sweden—with Stops along the Way by Bill Keenan. Keenan writes about an encounter playing against Crosby in a youth hockey tournament in Calgary. Keenan was playing for the Connecticut Yankees, and Crosby was a member of the Dartmouth Subways. [1] [2] [3]
327binder (talk) 16:43, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
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==In media==
Crosby's youth hockey career is mentioned in the bestselling book Odd Man Rush: A Harvard Kid's Hockey Odyssey from Central Park to Somewhere in Sweden—with Stops along the Way by Bill Keenan. Keenan describes an encounter playing at Crosby at a youth hockey tournament in Calgary. Keenan was playing for the Connecticut Yankees, and Crosby was a member of the Dartmouth Subways.
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In media[edit]
Crosby's youth hockey career on the Dartmouth Subways is mentioned in the bestselling book Odd Man Rush: A Harvard Kid's Hockey Odyssey from Central Park to Somewhere in Sweden—with Stops along the Way by Bill Keenan.
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Please add Category:Ice Hockey Fine Torts (talk) 15:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Not done there is no Category:Ice Hockey which is why it is in red - there is a Category:Ice hockey, but that is a "super category" with numerous sub categories.
We do not put individuals in "super categories", only other sub-categories, and, as seen at the foot of the page, Crosby is already in several of these. - Arjayay (talk) 16:19, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
- Wikipedia articles that use Canadian English
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