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COMIC LEGEND: Did John Byrne quit Sensational She-Hulk because of a dispute over the She-Hulk shaving her legs?
STATUS: False Enough for a False
This is a weird one.
Okay, so in 1989, John Byrne debuted a new title, the Sensational She-Hulk.
Bobbie Chase was chosen as the editor for the new title.
Around this same time, Dwayne McDuffie and Robin D. Chaplik had already submitted a pitch in for a She-Hulk prestige format series (Probably originally a graphic novel). Their series was written before Byrne's first issue even came out.
Byrne, as the writer of the new regular series, was given the chance (as was the custom) to see if anything in this series conflicted with his title (as Byrne's first few issues would be out before the Ceremony mini-series would be out).
Byrne made a number of changes and Chase had them changed in the book. All but one. A scene involving She-Hulk shaving her legs.
Byrne explained his problem with the scene (as he to Scott Tipton some years ago)…
On top of this was the scene with She-Hulk shaving her legs. Now, let me state up front that I have an instant prejudice against this sort of scene. I just don't like 'em. Not sure why, just don't feel they are necessary to the development of the characters. However, in the context of this particular scene, the "development" was to show that Jen was an idiot. Sitting in the tub, shaving her leg, she immediately breaks the blade. So she grabs another razor, and breaks that on the first stroke. So she grabs another, and breaks that. And another. And another. The "punchline" is to see a huge pile of broken razors by the tub. My objection, of course, was that Jen would not do this (even if she needed to shave her legs, which arguably she did not). The first time she tried, the first time the razor broke, she'd get on the phone to her pal Reed Richards and say "Here's my problem…" Reed would have an Atomic Leg Shaving Apparatus (which, knowing Reed, would be big as a Volkswagen) delivered to her apartment within the hour! Problem solved.
He asked for the scene to be removed. It was not.
Chase, meanwhile, also had to deal with complaints from McDuffie over all of the changes she DID make to his story. So when it came time for Byrne's series to begin, Chase also began making some changes to Byrne's scripts to bring them in line with the story in Ceremony.
Here, then, we come to a bit of a "he-said/she-said" over whether Byrne literally said "Either she goes or I go." However that point was reached, Marvel Editor-in-Chief Tom DeFalco ultimately sided with Chase over Byrne and Byrne was off of She-Hulk (he would later return after Chase left the title).
The story is often "Byrne left because Bobbie Chase had She-Hulk shave her legs," and I think that even if you believe that the leg scene was the biggest bone of contention, it was far from the reason that Byrne ultimately left the title, so I think a "false" is fair here.
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I haven't read Byrne's She-Hulk in a long time but boy did I love it when it was coming out. It has one of my all-time favorite gags, when She-Hulk and her friends escape a death trap by tearing a hole in the page of the comic and run across a double-page Mile High Comics style ad. Once they reach the other side she tears another hole and they come out through the panel on the other side.
I have no problem with an editor changing the work of a writer or artist. Part of their job is to be a caretaker to the property, and if they feel something is not in line with the property, then so be it.
What I find troubling about the Byrne/Chase incident — and many other examples we've heard about in the comics industry — is that it appears that editors frequently change things without running the changes by the creative team before going to press. That is an issue. It's not done in any other publishing industry that I'm aware of, and if it is it's the sign of a bad/disreputable editor.
Ultimately that book has John Byrne's name on it, and yet the final publication was clearly not what he — as the creator — intended it to look like. We've heard numerous stories about editors changing things without so much as an email to the creators letting them know what they're doing. And I think that's irresponsible and unprofessional. It most certainly creates a combative working relationship.
And for the life of me I cannot imagine why an editor would change elements of a critically acclaimed ongoing series so that it more closely resembled a limited-scope project. That is just baffling.
And for the life of me I cannot imagine why an editor would change elements of a critically acclaimed ongoing series so that it more closely resembled a limited-scope project. That is just baffling.
I'd imagine that the theory was that to make the limited-scope project seem like it "mattered" (and therefore, worth buying) Chase wanted to make sure the main series acknowledged it, even if it meant adding in mentions herself.
Dwayne McDuffie eventually brought the leg-shaving incident into Damage Control (wherein She-Hulk asks them to provide her with a razor) and visited the joke again in World War Hulk: Aftersmash – Damage Control when Eugene decides to make her a razor from all the surplus Adamantium left over from WWH.
Funny that there should be such a kerfuffle over Shulkie shaving her legs being an unnecessary scene, after Mr. Byrne took time to show how Clark Kent managed to shave in Man Of Steel. Maybe he figured a shaving gag had already "been done" even though it was another book, time and publisher..
Funny that there should be such a kerfuffle over Shulkie shaving her legs being an unnecessary scene, after Mr. Byrne took time to show how Clark Kent managed to shave in Man Of Steel. Maybe he figured a shaving gag had already "been done" even though it was another book, time and publisher..
It wasn't her shaving that he took issue with, it was the gag that accompanied the shaving.
The multiple broken razor gag indeed makes Shulkie look like an idiot.
The Superman shaving scene makes him look clever.
Yes, I get that it makes Jen look dumb breaking a pile of razors, and the gag doesn't add to the character, unlike the Clark scene.
My "embarrassing loss" memory for Sabretooth.
An issue of one of the Spider-Man comics where he was literally beaten to a bloody pulp by Black Cat in a one on one fight.
In fact, when he showed up in X-Men later I couldn't figure out why he was supposed to be so scary and tough because she had beat him.
Ganky: exactly. It's like the old "pile of broken alarm clocks" gag.
Some (two panels) Cortazar's comic samples are available here:
and a Bad quality photo of the book here:
I don't understand why the planned revelation for Sabretooth contradicts any of his previous history (as far as who he hangs out with, or the fact that he's lost battles in the past.)
By the way, Cortazar french edition "La racine del ombru" will be published next November. Here's the publishers page with some ilustrations.
It's just another example of Byrne overreacting to a story/joke he didn't write/tell. Very often, if it's different than what he would have done, it's "wrong" and he dons the hairshirt of mock outrage.
Granted, it's a lame joke, but the punchline isn't "look at how stupid Shulkie is." It's not like she spent the rest of the story doing stupid ditzy things. The punchline is the juxtaposition of the character doing something feminine like shaving her legs but being too tough to pull it off. Multiple razors just underscore the "humor."
She-Hulk is one of the last places to complain about characters not behaving the way they "really should."
Machine: Losing to Black Cat isn't quite as problematic as in X-Factor#39 where he lost a fight to Wolverine… off-panel!
I wonder if Brian was inspired to post the Sabretooth legend just because of having been reminded of it when writing the recent "Week of Cool…" entry, or if this was a specific response to a conversation we had in the comments about Sabretooth basically being a mid-grade, not-at-all-frightening villain nowadays.
Maybe every 'Tooth appearance since the early 2000s or so has been a clone, too.
I came across it during Wolverine week a couple of weeks back, so I wrote the Week of Cool entry with it in mind that Claremont intended this to be the "true" Sabretooth/Wolverine relationship.
I always thought Sinister's cloned Marauders were a great idea but it never occurred to me that they explained away such inconsistencies. That makes it an even better idea.
The She-Hulk legend reminds of an early Byrne story (last few issues before he left, iirc) where She-hulk went into outer space and Xemnu altered her DNA to make her his bride giving her a lovely fur. After that, she was given a full-body PERMANENT laser depilation. "Heh… take that, McDuffie and company". :p
I have to side with Byrne on this one. Making a limited series at the same time the ongoing is just getting started with a different creative team is just asking for trouble, particularly when the creators aren't in sync about their views of the characters. Imho, priority has to be given to the ongoing. Furthermore, the joke is really lame and it makes her look like a moron. I would be ok in the right context like a silly book full of silly humor but I don't think McDuffie's book is one of those. In the end, what Chase did wasn't fair to either Byrne or McDuffie.
I can't wait to tell my sister about Cortazar's comic. She's a professor of Literature and a big fan of his. Thank you, guys.
No pile of razors? Uh… whats that on top of the table?
No pile of razors? Uh… whats that on top of the table?
Ha! Yeah, you're right, thanks, I'll fix that. I was wondering where the pile was.
I've always loved Sabretooth. When used right, he's the perfect mix of terrifying, formidable and clever. Unfortunately, he hasn't been written well since Mike Carey used him (with Greg Rucka doing an ok job before that and Frank Tieri doing a fantastic job prior to Rucka). Since they brought him back from the dead, however, there's been no real point to the character other than being the "bad Wolverine" for whatever team he's on at the moment, which is extremely disappointing (to say the least).
I was always fascinated in Claremont's original idea for the Wolverine/Sabretooth relationship. While a little cliche, the father/son dynamic would have been really neat, and it would have created an entirely different history for the character than the one we know. I like the "old war buddies" dynamic, too, but it hasn't really been used in any meaningful way for a while now. I wonder if Kieron Gillen's going to use him in the upcoming Origin sequel. I also love the idea of Wolverine being the perpetual underdog against Sabretooth: it seems to make the wins he gets that much more meaningful.
The multiple clones, thing, however, I can take or leave. The good thing about it is that you can write off poor performances in other books with a "he's just a clone" handwave, but, at the same time, all the awesome things the character does would be wiped out with a similar gesture. The only way it could really work is if it were a short-term arrangement, and there were plans to see the "original" Sabretooth at a predetermined point.
I just wanted to speak in defense of the razor scene. Maybe it's just me, but haven't there been times when most of us have gone through a ton of paper towels because finding a sponge is too much of a pain? There's no indication She Hulk was completely unable to shave with the normal razors, just that she tended to blunt or break the blades very quickly. So I don't read this as her being dumb, just lazy, or perhaps embarrassed to ask her friends to whip out their gadgeteering chops just to build her a razor.
I remember thinking, in Blood Syndicate #1-2, that McDuffie's "Rob Chaplik" character seemed pretty detailed and specifically realized. I hadn't realized that she was based on an actual person!
Ah … the perils of tight continuity.
Like a lot of comic readers, my idea of how a superhero universe should function was formed by reading early Marvels. Things could be goofy, but they "fit" and that gave the whole thing a sense of realism. The challenge is that the early Marvels were the product of a very small cohort of people working closely together on a limited number of titles under the clear leadership of one person. None of those things have been true of Marvel in a very long time, nor have they ever been true of DC.
It was admirable that Jim Shooter tried to bring that spirit back in the '80s, but dust-ups like these were inevitable.
I mean, it would have been simple enough to say "that was Dwayne McDuffie's take on Shulkie and this is John Byrne's". That takes Byrne out of the position of having to try to edit McDuffie. By same token, Claremont could've said "my Sabertooth appeared in IRON FIST and X-MEN".
By same token, Claremont could've said "my Sabertooth appeared in IRON FIST and X-MEN".
Of course, most of what Claremont wanted to retcon by making the old Sabretooth a clone was his own previous writing.
Dwayne McDuffie eventually brought the leg-shaving incident into Damage Control (wherein She-Hulk asks them to provide her with a razor) and visited the joke again in World War Hulk: Aftersmash – Damage Control when Eugene decides to make her a razor from all the surplus Adamantium left over from WWH.
He seems to have really been in love with that joke!
Claremont eventually revealed the "real" Sabretooth in his X-Men Forever, right?
Now that I think of it, was there ever a definitive Sabretooth origin? I can't think of anything that showed his life before he was a killer/Romulus's associate/Team X member.
Claremont eventually revealed the "real" Sabretooth in his X-Men Forever, right?
Yeah, and he also started on the true origin of Gambit and Mr Sinister plotline as well as the Dark Wolverine plotline, both of which he's talked about in interviews but we never got to see cause the book got the axe. Kind of wish they'd have let him finish them off since they sounded pretty interesting.
Then again he may have actually written "Dark Wolverine" way back when he was secretly helping Alan Davis write the X-titles (when Wolverine became a Horseman of Apocalypse) right before he officially returned with X-men #100.
The real question about Byrne's departure is WHAT changes did Chase make? Were they major ones or minor ones?
And count me in on Byrne's side about the shaving scene: Jennifer's a smart woman. Getting caught underestimating her opponent or not expecting an outcome in battle is one thing, but shaving issues is another — particular when this would have been solved long ago by Tony Stark or Reed Richards during her time on those two teams. (If it wasn't shown on panel, it's a pretty high expectation just like "unstable molecules" got mentioned from time to time.)
Clark Kent's shaving is different, because it comes in a wave of rising realism in comics (at least, compared to Golden/Silver Age) and actually solves the differentiation between five o'clock shadow Clark and shaved Clark. In Jen's case, we can assume that (a) she has a razor given to her by the Marvel geniuses to deal with the problem or (b) the gamma radiation took away the need to shave green hairs away. In Clark's case, we were shown he can grow stubble, so how does he get rid of it — because, just like his hair cuts, it would be impossible for him to cut the hair.
What I don't understand is, why would She-Hulk even try to shave her legs in She-Hulk form when she can turn back and forth at will?
@Sean- Ceremony takes place during a time when Jen COULDN'T change back to her human form.
If it's any consolation to Byrne, the shaving scene was probably still the best part of Ceremony.
I thought it was just a really boring series.
I thought that he did a back-up in Classic X-Men that had Wolverine getting stalked by Sabretooth (never shown; yeah, #10 apparently). So then is that to be considered real or fake Sabretooth under Claremont logic?
I get that it's a convenient out to explain away why Sabretooth can get handled by Iron Fist, Daredevil or Black Cat, but man that just doesn't work for me.
Agreed in regards to X-Men Forever. I really wish that Marvel would have let Chris Claremont finish off the second year of the book before axing it. I really enjoyed that series, and it had some of his best writing in years.
And, yes, another occasion when Sabretooth (presumable the original one) memorably showed up to screw with Wolverine's head was in the back up story for Classic X-Men #10, later collected in the first X-Men Vignettes trade paperback.
The real question about Byrne's departure is WHAT changes did Chase make? Were they major ones or minor ones?
They were all pretty minor. McDuffie later remarked that Byrne essentially wanted all of the jokes removed. I imagine a lot of it was "She-Hulk wouldn't do that. She-Hulk wouldn't do that. She-Hulk wouldn't say that" etc. etc. etc.
Well, Chase was (and still is) a good friend of Harras, which is SELF-EXPLANATORY.
Wherever Harras goes, Chase goes too. Or should I say "Chase chases him?"
Nowadays they are in DC, and they still didn't learn from their mistakes.
Okay, backing up – where did Red Comet hear the Chris was helping Alan Davis write X-Men? I've read those issues and they kinda have a Claremont feel, but there aren't enough "Claremontisms" to convince me of that.
A previous CBLR, Brett.
On the She-Hulk Legend I was on Byrne's side until I read this on his website…
"I wrote copious notes thruout the plot, pointing out all the things that were wrong, and sent it back in. Frankly, I thought it was pretty much unsalvagable. "
I can picture John Byrne going to Tom DeFalco (EiC at the time) and saying "this story that you planned to release as an expensive prestige format graphic novel is so bad you need to scrap it entirely and take a loss". Given that it isn't surprising he lost the argument. Especially given the writer of the graphic novel was Dwayne McDuffie, a rising star at the time and a well liked member of the Marvel editorial staff.
On the She-Hulk Legend I was on Byrne's side until I read this on his website…
"I wrote copious notes thruout the plot, pointing out all the things that were wrong, and sent it back in. Frankly, I thought it was pretty much unsalvagable. "
Oh boy! I think that John Byrne is an amazing artist, and in the past he has written some really great stories. But, that said, I am continually turned off by his attitude that no one at Marvel has handled any of the major characters correctly since the original Lee/Kirby/Ditko years, and that he is the only one who knows how to "properly" present them in new stories.
I mean, I can definitely understand Byrne being proprietary and protective about characters he created or co-created on X-Men, Fantastic Four, Alpha Flight, etc. But when he goes about with the attitude that's on display in the quote posted above by TomC, well, I find it distasteful.
The She-Hulk story reminds me of the final issue of Silver Sable. The back-up story has a cartoonish version of Sable being sent to the Land of Cancelled Series and teaming up with several other female characters who'd all lost their titles. One of them (I don't remember which one) was complaining about her hair, and She-Hulk says 'Hey! At least you can cut yours. Mine is like steel cable all over.'
I remember one of the people involved with that She-Hulk GN (I'll avoid names because I could be recalling the comment incorrectly) mentioning that it felt like Byrne's real bone of contention was that someone else beat him to the idea of doing She-Hulk as a comedy book. That *that* seemed to be what was really driving his demanded alterations.
That sounds very possible, in the sense that I believe most of the things Byrne changed were jokes.
The She-Hulk thing is interesting. As it appears here, it looks like she's getting some shaving out of each razor, but not quite enough.
Which is the same with me sometimes with my Alan Moore-y beard, and I'm not even gamma powered.
Any idea if it was originally intended as a "scene" and not just the panel seen here? If it went on longer than the one panel (and I assume the aside about getting Reed doing the adamantium razor bit was a concession to Byrne's point), it's too much, but here it's a nice little bit.
And also, if Jen couldn't change back from Shulkie, then presumably until that point, she'd just shaved her legs as Jen. If she was stuck as Shulkie (and I don't know when that happened), it makes perfect sense that she'd just now try shaving as Shulkie, get a little ways, then keep breaking razors. It's quite a good moment there, actually.
But I might concede Byrne's point of view were it not for the bit "(even if she needed to shave her legs, which arguably she did not)".
Huh? Why wouldn't she need to shave her legs? Hair grows on her body, obviously, and as a swingin' single gal, she'd probably be someone who shaves her legs.
I'm not sure what Byrne's getting at with that comment. If the implication is that she doesn't grow hair because of her gamma infused body, well, that kinda contradicts the scene that others brought up (and that I thought of) in Man of Steel. By Byrne. Wouldn't it be arguable that Superman would have to shave?
Also, as Ceremony was apparently the first solo She-Hulk book since Savage She-Hulk, the leg shaving bit is a nice contrast — she used to be Savage, now she's sophisticated.
And look at that "joke" on the cover of 31, Byrne's first issue back. Trying to "paste over" to make it issue 9, as if he'd never left the book. Jeez. I like Byrne's stuff (Batman/Captain America is a fun ride, and he's done plenty others I like too), but he seems to get awfully proprietary. I'm guessing he got a lot of "does not play well with others" comments on his report cards as a kid
Plus, the bit TomC pointed out about "copious notes" brings to mind Comic Book Guy. Worst. Leg Shaving Scene. Ever.
I think I'll read any Byrne comments I come across with Comic Book Guy's voice from now on.
Wouldn't it be arguable that Superman would have to shave?
Well, there had been various stories over the years showing Superman growing a beard. I guess that raised the question of why and how that doesn't happen all the time.
Pre-Byrne, Superman's hair didn't grow except under a red sun, when he was depowered. No explanation why being super would prevent him having a beard–Byrne's actually makes more snese.
(I think the main reason for the no-beard was to explain why Clark's barber didn't notice he had hair stronger than steel. I'm not sure if that's it, though).
Well, like a lot of things with Superman, that wasn't entirely consistent. They eventually settled on the explanation that his beard just didn't grow under the yellow sun, unless Red Kryptonite affected him or something, but there were also a number of stories showing him growing a beard when he got old.
Also, the heat vision solution had been used way back in 1960, although he needed the help of both Kara and Krypto to do it.
Something I've always wondered is why did She-Hulk lose the bangs between her eyes. I always thought it helped make her face different from other heroines and she had it since her debut. At some point in the 90's she appeared with Bettie Page bangs and never one back. It still hasn't (ahem) grown on me.
The info on Superman's beard is cool.
My point was more "why would Byrne say that Shulkie wouldn't have to shave?", and if his answer is "because she's got a gamma powered body", my immediate response is "you did a scene where Superman had to shave, what's the difference between him and Shulkie?"
You'll also notice that I do indeed love referring to her as Shulkie.
In Claremont's master "they were all clones" plan did he explain WHY Mr. Sinister would care to have one of his clones teaming up with the Constrictor and fighting Iron Fist?
Reading all those books as they came out and catching all the clues that Sabretooth was Wolverine's father made it seem so obvious that it had to be a fake-out. I kept waiting for Claremont to reveal that Wolverine was actually Sabretooth's father, which I think would have been a better twist.
Brian – Did you already do one on the story that, while on FF, Byrne wanted to say that all appearances of Dr.
Doom, with the exception of his introuction, were all robots?
The impression I get of John Byrne is that he needs to calm the hell down about innocuous things he can't control.
in fact, she-Hulk Ceremony wasn't intended as a graphic novel or a prestige serie. It was a script for a romance ongoing she-Hulk serie, okayed before Byrne said he wanted to write a she hulk ongoing. Dawyne Mc duffie explained it here:
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and drifts off to a radio show telling the tale of the Princess and the
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This is an underwritten episode in the usually excellent series of cartoons starring Gandy and Sourpuss. Several of them had the two drifting off to sleep. Sometimes they had adventures together and sometimes singly. In this one it's Gandy who does the adventuring, but it's an underwritten one, with not much in the way of gags.
The visuals are up to standard, though. This period offered the most elaborately realized offerings from Paul Terry's studio, and they tended towards the Candybox style of background work. Following the War, budgets would shrink quickly, if not in nominal dollars; inflation would take the budgets, and the box office would peak in 1946.
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sweet dude! everytime you update it gets better and better!
^^^ I agree! I have not participated in this thread but I have been following it and I must say I am extremely impressed and awed! I could only wish to have the patience, talent and knowledge to conquer such a task! Good luck, I cant wait to see the final outcome.
Traxxas T-Maxx 3.3
I'm a Newb!
Once you DO hit the 100mph mark, are you going to end it in any speed contests?
Joshua 24:15 Choose this day who ye will serve
I have a long way to go before I can think about any competitions or speed records.
Once completed, if it has the potential to set a record I would have to at least try.
Then again, it may fall flat on its face and end up in little pieces scattered along the road somewhere.
I've though about putting it up for auction once it breaks the century mark (if still in 1 piece) because I know if I keep it, I will push it as far as it can go. It would be hard to just sit it on a shelf and resist the urge to run it all out.
No slipper/tall gearing/power = broken parts.
I agree, I know I couldn't just let it sit.
Joshua 24:15 Choose this day who ye will serve
id push it further and further until the thing lifted off the ground lol.
heres snook in the future lol
there's no life like a LOW LIFE!
Drag It!
I had some time to work on this thing today.
I got the main chassis deck mounted to the bulks and braces, and finalized the steering setup. I also made a small brace from the front bulk to the front of the chassis for a little added insurance.
With everything bolted together this thing is rigid. I put the chassis (minus the suspension) on 2 wooden dowels centered on the bulkheads and measured the deflection of the chassis in the center where the engine clutch bell and idler gears meet. With 50lbs of weight balanced in the center there was very little deflection. I then put 100lbs on it and measured 1/8th inch deflection which sprung back to 0 when the weigh was removed.
So far everything is going together as planned, but Im sure I will run into an issue sooner or later. Its a pleasure not having to work with the flimsy mock-up chassis anymore.
No slipper/tall gearing/power = broken parts.
nice snook ;D its coming along beautifully
Can't wait to see this beast all ready to go! I love how clean cut each piece is. GREAT work Snook.
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awesome snook thats some work you got there
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cool truck snook!
Have you had a chance to weigh it at this point yet
And what is the length nose to tail
That thing looks mean! Any decision as to whether or not there will be 1 or 2 engines?
Joshua 24:15 Choose this day who ye will serve
In the last pics it weighed in at 5 lbs 1oz. I still have to web the chassis once I get everything mounted to it and determine where and how much I can cut out.
I will also be swapping the rear bulks to the stock plastic bulks and changing the front
4-tec suspension to the stock plastic as well.
The main chassis is 30 inches long; the body will overhang the rear by several inches once complete.
I will most likely be using 2 BB engines for the 1st real attempts at 100 and then go from there. 2 average BB engine with headers, pipes and engine mounts weigh in at approx 2.5 lbs so they will add significant weight to the whole rig.
No slipper/tall gearing/power = broken parts.
Any idea when you'll be able to get the xo-1 tires and wheels?
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Loving the work mate, i have been toying with a similar idea for a while but have never got around to building it, but mine wouldnt be anywhere near the quality of yours!
Keep up the great work cant wait to see this beast run
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Lookin good Snook, that BadBoy is gonna fly!
Look out for the tree/crunch!
LiPo? Naw NITRO!!
I can hardly wait
Sweatin' the SMALL stuff!
I did some testing of the chassis with weight attached to it to simulate an 8 lb rig and letting it free roll down a long steep incline to see how the suspension was responding to imperfections and bumps in the road.
After experimenting with a lot of different spring rates and oil I found a good combination that absorbed the bumps really well but found the front overhang/angle forward of the front wheels to be too long which caused the front of the chassis to be way to close to the ground. 1 good bump or raised crack in the road could cause the front to dig in and cause a disaster.
Im re-designing the front with a splitter like design using an on road bumper with a built in angle to help the rig skip of the cracks/bumps if necessary.
Old design: no shock compression, ½ inch clearance.
Old design: shocks compressed. If I limited the shock travel so the front had enough clearance from the road the front end got very bouncy.
Front cut and bumper/splitter attached.
The excess part of the chassis that hangs below the splitter will be removed once I determine how/where I will mount the canards.
The body will sit behind the curve of the splitter like in this pic of an old on-road body I have.
I plan on adding adjustable angle Canards on each side of the splitter similar to what the XO-1 uses for down force something like this.
I knew I would run into a few issues to work out along the way.
No slipper/tall gearing/power = broken parts.
There is so much thought put into this project, it's unreal. Major props snook.
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i might not be posting much lately because ive been busy with other things and what not but im still watching, and this things never lets me down when there is an update, i swear.
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I finally scored a set of XO-1 wheels and tires that should be here by the end of the week (Those things are worth their weight in gold this soon since the release)
I've got a lot of little thing done but have been waiting on the wheels and tires to get some final measurements before cutting the chassis side extensions and a few other details.
I should get some progress done this weekend if the wheels show up.
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Take a close look at most your land speed record machines and your Top Fuel rail jobs.....
Look hoe close those front wheels are and how little nose area they have.... They have the wheels as far up front as they can yet still allowing a wing to help with downforce.....
It's lookin awesome... I see 3 digit speeds in the future.....
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I know what you mean NN.
I purposely left the space in front of the front tires to the splitter just in case I need/want to use the XO-1 front wheels/tires. Im not too sure of how standard on road foams are going to hold up with the speed and weight of the rig combined so I thought ahead a little and left the room just in case.
With the smaller on road foam tires I will fill in the space between the splitter and tire.
If I need to use the larger XO-1 wheels/tires I can remove the filler. I also have a few different chassis side extension template designs that I can modify. If I use the XO-1 tires the 1st triangle portion just behind the front tire will be cut away for clearance. I just have to wait until I get the tires to be sure of the wheel offset and radius of the steering arc before I can finalize the extensions. Ive been itching to cut the side extensions and have had to make myself wait (7075 is too expensive to just wing it)
I also make a custom brake post to make the linkage from the brake to the servo easier to work around.
Its about ¾ inch taller than the stock post and its a straight shot for the linkage to clear the top of the transmission without any bends. I positioned the hole for the arm off center so that when the brake is applied the arm will be parallel at full pull. It should come in handy for a standard Tmaxx direct throttle pull setup as well.
I have a few more surprises up my sleeve but they are not presentable just yet
No slipper/tall gearing/power = broken parts.
Might wanna add a set of wings because that thing is going to fly.
this is a great build and good luck to you
At last
Nice set of wheels and tires, their a little heavier than I though they would be and have really dense foam, but rated for that speed I guess they have to be. Very well balanced out of the package as well.
To the work bench I go.
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They nice lookin wheels there snook, what do they weigh?
I know the XO-1 is for "experts" but they would have to be well balanced from factory as alot of people that only run for fun arent on forums, or know about balancing wheels unless their LHS knows about it, but they would have access to the XO-1. Unbalanced wheels at that speed would be fun....
Any ideas on what tyres you will run on the front?
nice build man but hurry up i wanna see this beast run.
Those are the XO-1 front tires/wheels; I haven't received the rears yet.
140 grams each, the rears will be a little heavier.
For the front I intend to use standard On Road wheels and foams. I know they will hold up at 80mph, hopefully a little more.
If not I will use the XO-1 fronts.
No slipper/tall gearing/power = broken parts.
theres a bit of weight there to get moving, but could be worse i spoze
I'd be more inclined to go for the XO-1 fronts, it'll be a little extra weight, but can only hope that will help keep the front down a bit once you get to the higher speeds and a bit better contact on the road at the speeds your after. But then thinner tyres will reduce rolling drag......its a hard one
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I saw a video of an electric speed attempt, and he had to cut out the body just about the tries because they acted like fans at such high speeds. It caused the car to flip over at about 105. Point being not to forget about all the air underneath the car
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I ran into a little issue with the rear end setup when installing the XO-1 wheels with the old style 2.5 axle carriers.
The inside of the XO-1 wheel has supports that angle quite a bit inward toward the carrier and cause the supports to hit the carrier.
Without altering the wheel (almost did) or making new stub axles and shimming the hex away from the carrier (which I didnt want) I had to bevel the 2.5 carriers much like the 3.3 spec carriers. Using the TRX splined hub with the modified carrier it has just enough clearance and my wheel base is back where I wanted it.
Modified axle carrier left Stock right. I will probably take a few more mms off the carrier for extra clearance. Once the wheel bearings get a little slop in them the extra clearance will help
Carrier, 17mm splined hex and 6mm UE drive cup. With ceramic bearings installed and a good spin by hand, the wheel will spin for a couple minutes without the dogbone installed.
I also got the chassis side extension plates mounted to the main chassis. Now I have to layout the design and cut away some perfectly good 7075.
I mounted an electric motor to mesh with the idler block temporarily to test the drive train at high speed on a bench. All I can say is WOW Those tires spin really, really fast.
Drive train worked flawlessly on the bench. All dogbones spun true and there was very little vibration. It was a lot louder than I though it would be though. The whine from the gears was pretty intense, but I kind of liked it.
No slipper/tall gearing/power = broken parts.
No test videos?
1/10 Slash 4X4 VXL
1/16 E-Revo VXL
test it! video
Im young. And im Learning.
Everyone is so impatient...they want it done now! He still has to cut out the chassis he's going to use. At least he is giving us regular updates of it.
The Super Derecho
I just meant of the electric test he just did. I can wait to see the full test and I bet it will be worth the wait to see this thing scream down a track
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Historical Traveler Reviews Bellevue Hotel Amsterdam
Previous reviews were spot on.
What can I say, all the previous reviews are exactly as reported. It is across the street from Central Station (maybe 100 yards). The rooms look like they were from the pages of an IKEA catalog. The staff was friendly and spoke perfect English.
As far as Amsterdam, what a great city. Make sure you hit all the museums - especially the Heiniken Tour.
Awesome Hotel
Just returned from Amsterdam and the Bellevue Hotel. This place just opened 5 months ago and is brand new. It's by far the best 3 star hotel we've stayed in. The interior design of the rooms is fantastic. It includes wonderful room lighting scheme options, a flat screen T.V. built into the wall, double pane windows that completely shut out the noise (so grab a room on the street side, the views are marvelous), floor to ceiling mirror in the bathroom, hair dryer, accent wallcovering and wonderful mattresses and comforters. The housekeeping staff is excellent. We slept in one day till 3:00PM due to the never ending nightlife options and used our "Do Not Disturb" door knob sign. The housekeeping staff never disturbed us and to our surprise, left new towels and wash clothes in a bag hung onto our door. That's what I call customer service. The room size (twin) was appropriate for European standards. The breakfast was excellent and offered many options (eggs, sausage, bacon, mini Dutch pancakes, cereal, breads, juices, coffee, even ice water). The desk staff is pleasant and seemed genuinely happy that you selected their hotel. The location is great. It's a 5 minute walk from the train station and couldn't be easier to find. The value is unsurpassed.
Perfect location
Have just spent 3 days in Amsterdam at Bellevue Hotel. The location is great - you can walk to "everything". The hotel is new and fresh. Breakfast is ok, but be awere the opening hours. We were told that the breakfast was open until 10.30 every day - not true. That is just in the weekends.
The shower did not have shower curtains so the floor got really wet.
Regardless a few negative things, this is a very nice place to stay when going to Amsterdam. A 3 star hotel close to 4!
We would definitely stay here again.
The best choice in amsterdam
I went to amsterdam whit my husband in july 2005. I think I saw all the hotels in amsterdam in the internet before i reserve this. We loved the hotel it�s a 3 stars that can easily be a 4 stars. The rooms are quiet small, but in amsterdam they all are... :) The rooms are very modern, in a minimalist style, very clean, very confortable, LCD television, big windows, very white, whit a good light. The personal are very friendley, and helps you a lot.
It�s a central hotel, were you can reach almost all point�s of interest by walking around. For me is the best way to know amsterdam. You can rent a bike if you like .
Buy the amsterdam card but not for all the days, it�s not necessary, plan the visit�s and than buy.
I loved amsterdam and i will go there again and i will saty in bellevue :)
P.S: don�t take the breakfast in the hotel, you can find more nice places around the city, and for less money.
Great place, but take your breakfast outside!
Just spent 2 nights in the Bellevue and it was everything other people said about it: very clean, very nice design in rooms, charming people at the reception.
However, the breakfast was very disappointing (specially when not included in the price and you pay an extra 10 euros for it): croissants were not fresh, orange juice was awfull and i was refused an espresso, because the filter coffee was meant to be strong enough... which was far from true.
So, just avoid the breakfast, everything else is great!
Really nice clean hotel
My boyfriend and I spent 2 nights at this hotel last week. The staff were very friendly and helpful, we even got to check in well before the 2pm timeline. Rooms are very small, but it seems that this is the case in most places over there, clean, all white with nice inset lighting on the headboard and in our front facing 5th floor room we had a great view of St Nicholas church as I have attached. Location is good, pretty much across from the central station and walking distance to everywhere else, we didn't actually get any public transport and saw everything we wanted. I would definitely stay here again.
Ultra Modern and Affordable
I stayed here by myself on buisiness and ..what a cool hotel!
Although small the public areas and rooms are SPOTLESS and all white!
My room was compact but with flat screen LCD tv,ultra-modern bathroom,aircon, etc. and really helpful and friendly staff made my short stay really nice. Really well located near Central Station, but on a quietish road.It was a good choice and I will stay there again.
New and Hip
Booked this hotel through the tourist bureau. Was less than ecstatic about it due to our previous nights stay at the IBIS near the airport (only place left with room). . our expectations were about as low as you can get but we wanted to have a room and be done with it. It turned out the modest Dutch way of just stating the facts really don't do this place justice. It is totally refurbished. The rooms are clean, ultra sleek, and have flat-screen TV's. It is probably the hippest hotel I've stayed in and was affordable too. It is in a great location right across from the train station and nearly everything is walk able. .I will note that we did wake up to a mouse in our room in the middle of the night trying to steal some treats out of a bag. icky! I'm sure this is just one of those things that happens when in a city of hundreds of years-old buildings. The hotel was spot-less, so I really think that if this happened here, It could happen anywhere. Would gladly stay here again. (without the snacks in the room)
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I wish the best for Elizabeth Edwards and that whole family. I agree, calling a press conference the day after her doctor's appointment can't be good news.
God, I hope Edwards does not drop out... But if he does I am still all for doing the moral thing: Find and kidnap Al Gore and force/beg/coerce/plead with him to run for the White House. Is there some way we can trick him into running? Please anyone? The thought of Hillary as President really really scares me. It scares me almost as much as another republican in the White House.
Mable Peabody's Beauty Parlor and Chainsaw Repair? Awesome.
Forgot one other thing: What the HELL are people doing about the right wing freaks burning down gay bars??? F*CK, that is totally unacceptable. And what are we doing in Seattle to prevent someone from burning down The Cuff or Purr or Manray?? Seriously people, this crap is not going to stay in just Dallas. And they sent a bunch of the born-agains to SF a couple of weeks ago. We better start standing up, and we better start now!
Find and kidnap Al Gore and force/beg/coerce/plead with him to run for the White House.
I still think he will run. And if he is planning on running, what he's doing right now is very smart. He's letting the other candidates take the heat and bear all the usual scrutiny for many months, then he jumps in and steals their thunder late in the game.
Dan - regarding the burning of the gay bar in Dallas, I like your comment from a few weeks back about the relationship between conservative anti-government rhetoric and the Oklahoma city bombing. It needs to be said again and again, that violent homophobia is the natural result of the Christian right's rhetoric.
What do you want us to do about it Andrew. Should we pass laws? Oh right, arson is against the law. What are you doing to stop someone from burning down The Cuff or Purr or Manray? I don't see you patrolling the streets with a fire extinguisher.
So elswinger is going to wait for a pogram to be called. What would YOU suggest elswinger? Really, what is your idea? We are all listening.
Um, I think those are two different articles about the same shooting on Rainier Ave S. So only one person was shot to death in South Seattle yesterday.
best. bar name. ever.
Hey, I live in Magnolia and I want the surface/transit option. I wouldn't mind the tunnel but after the monorail mess I don't trust the city to get it done right. So, I voted no and hell no, god damn it.
Oh, and Mable Peabody's Beauty Parlor and Chainsaw Repair is the best fucking gay bar name EVER! I hope they rebuild.
OH YEAH, and I hope Elizabeth Edwards is okay.
OH YEAH pt 2: Stephen Colbert ROCKS!
Impeach the mother fucker RIGHT NOW!
Guys, relax. Most Americans are way too incompetent, apathetic and self-involved to pull off a pogrom.
If you've ever worked in customer service, then you know that's the truth. How the hell our society continues to function is a daily miracle.
Is Q-Patrol still around? Maybe we could have a group like the Pink Posse from Queer as Folk.
I hope this decision by the Episcopal Church gets Slogged:
After a five-day meeting in Texas, the US bishops said: "We proclaim a gospel that welcomes diversity of thought and encourages free and open theological debate as a way of seeking God's truth. If that means others reject us and communion with us, as some have already done, we must with great regret and sorrow accept their decision."
It might be a big deal or it might not be, but it's worth noting that Mable Peabody's is actually in Denton, TX, not Dallas. Dallas and Fort Worth are the nearest big cities, but they're both about an hour away.
Dallas and Fort Worth, like most large cities in Texas and elsewhere, are mostly inclusive, tolerant places, while Denton, like a lot of smaller towns throughout the country, is much less so.
Politico is reporting that Edwards is suspending his campaign because his wife's cancer has returned.
Actually, it might be more accurate to describe Denton as a mid-sized city rather than a small town or even a Dallas exurb: the population estimate for 2005 is 103,029.
Wake Me for the Official Pogrom
For Nancy
Not Denton, SEATTLE 1999- Officials say vandalism early Wednesday that temporarily disrupted Starbucks was intentional.
"They broke in, smasked windows and took coffee then threw chairs all over the place," said Kelly, who has been working as store manager. "I wonder if it could have been a corporate-bashing deal. I have no idea."
Margaret opened the club a long time ago in Pike Place Market, Kelly said. Back then, she said, it was a pretty cool to open a coffeehouse. Who knew it would develop into a musical taste decider, a place for horridly overpriced sugarloafs, and contribute to the financial chaos of the NBA.' Kelly said she has no conscience and has no idea who might have done the vandalizing.
"I think I lost my green apron along with a huge stack of Starbucks debit cards," she said.
Dan, I don't think a pogrom is around the corner, but if we in "the community" fail to act then we are inviting one.
Maybe Larry Kramer is not everybody's cup of tea so if we don't join an Act Up Army then do something else!
One starting point might be to make this years pride parde overtly political. I don't know where to begin to achieve that goal, maybe you do, Dan.
We need to express our concerns for our rights and very existance without reguard as to how it might make politicans uneasy.
Making the pride prade political with signs, banners, chants etc. might make for a smaller turn out on the last Sunday in June, but continued silcence in this case IS death.
That Colbert piece was awesome. I think he put into (hilarious) words what a huge portion of the country is thinking.
I'm one of the many West Seattle people that voted Yes. In fact, I voted yes and yes. For some silly reason I want to be able to get downtown. Current transit doesn't serve us hicks very well in the outer parts of the city, Dan.
I certainly hope you're not saying people West Seattle and Magnolia don't count as city residents. Or that we're less important than the downtown million dollar condo dwellers or Cap Hill 1/2 million dollar condo dwellers. Sorry our way of getting to and through downtown is interfering with your view. But that comment shows me that The Stranger's position comes not from an interest for the whole city, just those parts they're involved in. That's disappointing.
The people that live further out in the city actually want to get there. People involved with Sound Transit should take a very serious look at this vote. It might be instructive.
Viaduct users want it mote than non-users, shocking.
Current users of Bimbo's care more about it being torn down than non-users, unbelievable.
Microsoft workers in Belltown want 520 expanded but people in Montlake don't, what next no smoking in bars?
Couldn't make the link work in the viaduct spin story - read the poll yourself and see that 70% want capacity kept to today's level and only about 22% want a surface option.
In regards the the item about the viaduct vote, it may be the people who have to live on top of it that want it gone, but it is those of us that rely on it to get to and from home and work on a daily basis that want it to stay. While all of you condo and hill dwellers are enjoying a stroll to the aquarium, I'll be stuck on a bus in traffic hoping I don't get fired for being late, again.
Want to reduce car capacity and force people to use transit? How about making Olive, Pike, Pine, Madison, and Denny transit only between downtown and Capitol Hill. For some reason Erica Barnett doesn't worry about that, but hey, look at these new pictures of a 4 lane boulevard alongside the waterfront that magically has no traffic.
Dave Coffman @22. Don't be ridiculous. The Stranger has never said tear down the viaduct and fuck West Seattle. They have been advocating tearing it down and adding significant transit to West Seattle. Everyone knows that tearing down the viaduct and doing nothing would be a disaster. That is not what anyone is advocating. The people who are advocating tearing down the viaduct are simply suggesting to replace it with mass transit, rather than another ugly viaduct. We all agree that people need to move around. The legitimate debate is whether moving them in cars on a viaduct is better or worse than moving them around on mass transit.
#26 "No one drives there anymore it's too crowded" - ECB
Why not close down 20% of the bus service and see if the city dies. Close down ECB's line, I'll bet the people that use that line care about more it than the people that don't.
Just to clarify, DENTON is not DALLAS. Not that I give two shits for either, but DENTON is a far northern hickburb so this story is not surprising. A headline would be deserved however if this happened in DALLAS in the Cedar Springs area.
I use the viaduct everyday, live in West Seattle and I vote.
That was funny that Herdball guy was laughin when he saw that in the book. I was laughin with him.
LOL I could hear that retranslated into
"It's right here in book you nut.
you wrote it right here. are you crazy its right here man. you got Alzheimers or somethin?"
Hunter S. Thompson must me rolling after that one.
I spelt that wrong I meant Hardball. I wish you guys would get spell checker or something for your blog like my online college has.
27, SDA -- But, what transit, and where is it? Buses? Ha, ha.
As a West Seattlite, I voted "No" and "No" - West Seattle has pretty fuckin' rad bus service most of the time and if that were expanded to compensate for the loss of the viaduct, I would be thrilled.
West Seattle is full of drivers, though, and convincing them that their freeways aren't necessary is hard. The thought of the monorail taking up space that they could park their cars at Petco made most of them have a stroke.
@27: SDA, I agree there is a legitimate debate about how to move a lot of people around. Nevertheless, when I read what Dan posted above it pissed me off. Dan wrote:
"West Seattle and Magnolia supported the rebuildin fact, the farther you get from the center of the city the greater the support for the rebuild. Its the people that have to live with, and on top of, the viaduct that want the thing to come down."
It insinuated to me that we in W Seattle and other parts west of 99 don't have to "live with it". Sorry Dan, Josh and ECB, those that use it live with it every fucking day, thank you very much. It also suggests that those of us that aren't living in the central core and even those that work in it are insignificant and don't matter compared to those in ritzy central areas that we can't afford. Sorry. I've got a thick skin, but for a paper that claims to be the only newspaper in Seattle, it's horseshit.
As for the adding significant transit to West Seattle (or anywhere else west of Highway 99) I'll believe it when I see it. Not even The Stranger has come up with any plans beyond tear it down or "study it". That's not a transit plan. I support and want transit. But I can't support what is not there.
Personally, as a voting west seattle-ite( no tunnle, yes re-build )I don't expect the staff at The Stranger to have all of the answers. Despite their best efforts, they never have. What I do expect is more of what this city is best at; lots of talk, pricy studies, re votes, re re votes, and no action until the viaduct crumbles to the ground killing hundreds. Why am I a non believer in the surface option? because it'll be several years until it happens and those of us whome it will affect most, those of us who can't walk or easily bike to wok will suffer the brunt on the inconveniance.
The biggest mystery to me about the voting was that Harbor Island supports the viaduct. OK, I understand that the people who work there would; it makes their jobs possible. But WHO THE HELL LIVES ON HARBOR ISLAND?
I'm from West Seattle, and voted no/no, so the results of that poll are disheartening, to a point.
That said, those results seem to me to be more about West Seattle residents a) not seeing any real, tangible, detailed plans present on how transit will be increased, and b) knowing that unless more specific transit plans are laid out and the surface option better described, they'd rather vote for a more reasonably priced, known quantity (the rebuild). I'm not making an excuse for this reasoning, but instead, am imploring the both transit authorities and the surface option leaders to more clearly and specificially lay out the facts of each of their plans. Come to WS community meetings, talk in detail about each of the plans, repeatedly. Unless folks in WS here some actually numbers and tangible solutions, those numbers are not likely to change, for the most part. There's only so much good I and my friends can do, telling people about the benefits of the surface option. Until someone in an official capacity talks to folks with a concrete plan, things aren't going to change.
Of course, it all comes down to the fact that if they'd actually do the damn research on the surface option and give people the data and numbers...but no, that might be too progressive. >sigh
And figdish, regardless of what happens, the surface option is going to be in play for a few years, regardless, and it's certainly feasible to begin with it much more quickly than rebuild or tunnel. Transit changes could start immediately...
the only things better than the names given to gay bars are the titles given to gay porn....
Dave Coffman, your comment shows me that you aren't thinking about the whole city, just the small contingent that live in out-of-the-way places and expect a cheap and easy commute downtown. The voters rejected both the tunnel and the rebuild. I certainly hope you aren't suggesting that West Seattle and Magnolia residents are more important than the rest of the city (that even though they were voted down, they should still get what they want).
After finding the link to the voting patterns it seems that in addition to the UW students the biggest votes for the tunnel and against the viaduct were apartment and condo dwellers. The people that on average have been here the longest and will be here the longest voted for the viaduct. It also seems that blue collar districts voted for the viaduct. In fact, the more I look at the map, the clearer it is that except for Magnolia the biggest division is by income class.
denton was my home for a long time. mable peabodys was the first gay bar i ever went to when i was 18 and just starting college. denton isnt the hickburb that someone else described it as being. it holds three colleges and plenty of liberal minded kids who im sure are planning some sort of fund raising efforts for a rebuild. this is just shitty no matter where it happens
I also live in West Seattle and voted no/no.
I have a hellish commute from West Seattle to Capitol Hill everyday and it's time for mass transit, not freeways.
You cannot build your way out of traffic congestion. If so, LA, Atlanta, etc would have the best traffic in the US instead of the worst.
The viaduct is going to be closed for a long time no matter what option is chosen and the hysterical denial of that fact by some "rebuild" supporters has gotten really crazy.
As a former Dentonite, I'll concur that Denton is NOT Dallas, and add that it's an oddly schizophrenic little exurban college city. Home to TWU, just across from the bar in question; and UNT, the largest University in DFW and the first in the South to integrate.
Mike in MO @ 39,
I know! One of my faves: "Saving Ryan's Privates"
Then of course there are also classics like "Powertool," but I'm partial to the ones with puns.
For the bars, I remember an Eagle/Cuff style place in Boston coquettishly titled "The Ramrod." Hmm, wonder what happens there?
OG Andrew - I commute from WS to Cap Hill everyday too - maybe we should carpool?
Oh and Soupytwist, I voted down the monorail because I didn't want a 60 ft elevated concrete structure taking out trees going down California Avenue.
Y'all will vot for that concrete beast, but not the Viaduct. Your priorities are clear.
@40: Andrew, I don't think that people in my position are more important. What I know is that everyone west of 99 is being left out of comprehensive transit planning. I'm all for doing 520 right as well, although I rarely use it. I want good transportation options so all of us can get where we want to go. BTW, if West Seattle is "out of the way" I'd hate to what you think of people that live in Burien, Kent or Bothell. We have to deal with the geography in which we live. Sorry.
In the end the surface option in my opinion primarily benefits the downtown developers and the tourist bureaus. Nobody I know will be able to afford an office or a condo down there. Without significant and rapid transit being placed to deal with the trips, you'll see gridlock that has been unknown in this area. It's the transit part that's important, and I'm all for that. But let's see it first.
Good point, Dave. The DSA comrades downtown seem to think we citizens and taxpayers West of 99 don't exist.
We do.
Just because the 5th vote killed the Green Line monorail doesn't mean our rapidly growing population doesn't need mid to high-grade transit - we need it more than ever.
Just build SkyTrain along the Green Line route - it's elevated, it's light rail, it's proven, there are two versions in massive use in Vancouver BC.
wsp - your love of trees is adorable. I hope that when we're forced to widen California to accomodate the traffic, you'll happily chain yourself to them.
wsp @ 46,
Uh, yeah, my priorities involve mass transit; have I not been clear on that?
Dave Coffman @ 47,
Have you been to Los Angeles recently?
If so, you've seen Seattle's future. It's rush hour there from 7 am to 10 pm.
With as many as 400,000 people moving to the Seattle area over the next 30 years, gridlock is inevitable without rapid mass transit.
Actually OG A - I wasn't kidding about carpooling. We should do it.
And as for you Mr. Twist, if we had light rail down the center of California Ave, like Interstate Ave in Portland, you could eliminate parking on the street, because people would be using the light rail and wouldn't need to drive. You don't need to widen the road, you need to give people an option to get out of their cars. California Ave is perfect for this because most business are along that arterial.
But a monorail down California? dumb.
Original Andrew> the best porn title ever was "Log Jammin'". It was a fictional porn depicted in the Jeff Bridges movie, "The Big Lebowski."
Hmm, I've never been called "Mr." before, that's pretty weird.
wsp - I can't even begin to fathom your logic about street level transit being better than elevated. I am forced to say that your opinion is dumb.
Revelation 13:5 - Are we in this 42 month period?
#4&8 Andrew
I understand your outrage, but what are YOU going to do about it? As far as I know the places you mentioned, "The Cuff or Purr or Manray" and the many other gay hangouts in Seattle are not in danger of being torched. If they are, I'll be happy to do what I can.
All I can be is sorry for the people in Dallas and hope the people who did it are fully prosecuted and convicted. What else do you expect me to do? I am not in the position where I can quit my job and move to Dallas to fight the good fight.
Twist, do me a favor. Take a trip down to Portland. Just after you cross the bridge into Oregon, rather than continuing on the freeway into downtown, take the Interstate Ave exit. You get to follow the light rail line all the way into downtown. It is a great example of light rail.
Transit doesn't have to be elevated to be good.
Couple of things about Magnolia:
-we aren't all rich or well off
(I live in a run-down rental and there are plenty of apartments and other less expensive than Capitol Hill (which I miss) type places. It's not all ritzy folks rich houses.
-it's not "out of the way" we are closer to downtown than Ballard for shits sakes!
Concur with West Seattlites opinions regarding:
-no real plan articulated
-no faith that real transit options will be available
Buses stuck in traffic and rail sharing the same damn road is not the answer.
I too constantly fear losing my job due to my bus being late.
I too cannot afford to live in the very center of the city, my allies in almost all other things should not make me feel like a second class citizen because of this. :(
And as far as the Pogroms go, instead of shouting at people to do SOMETHING! Perhaps suggesting something they can do would be better? When it's time to stand guard outside my allies bars to keep them from being burnt down let me know. For now, I think it's a little premature/infeasible...
@50: Yeah I've been to LA lately and it sucks. And you know why it sucks? Because Angelinos also dinked for years to do anything about rapid transit. They too have had to build more roads while at the same time they have been building transit. In my opinion, our removing 99 is the equivalent of LA removing I-405 through the western part of the city. That doesn't solve anything. And SoCal has about 60 different freeways. We have about 5.
I've been consistently for building as much good transit as quickly as possible. What I am not in favor of is starting to take away capacity before we even have a plan. That's what the surface option is in my opinion. Spend the next 30 years putting in the infrastructure for rapid transit and doing Moon's 1000 little fixes and then let's discuss taking away the roads capacity that is no longer needed.
More people are coming to Puget Sound. I can't see the logic in removing one of two through routes without something at least started to address that. Given the speed of transportation planning here, just starting to study it means squat. That alone will take 5 years. ST2 addresses almost nothing for several hundred thousand people west of Hwy 99. Until they or some transit maven addresses that problem, I don't want to take away existing capacity until we have replacement capacity figured out and in place. It's that simple.
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My program spends most of time on array pattern match, I am wondering if I should rewrite the function and discard the auto pattern matching.
E.g. a very simple case
let categorize array =
match array with
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Hey salamualaikum...hope everything's goin' good with ya! I'm doing good...exactly one week left till my due date! Yay! We're pretty much all set for this baby...except for the carseat it's on it's way in the mail. (Yeah we saved one of the most important things till last :-/)
At this point I'm kinda torn between wanting my baby to be born already so I can meet her, and wanting her to take her time so me and Dh can enjoy our last few days/weeks as a couple. But the excitement over her coming usually wins over!
I'm sooo proud of Dh. He seriously has been doing soo much these days. I have really bad sciatica pain and I can barely walk. I can't bend down and pick stuff up so when I drop something...it's there to stay lol. I was cracking everyone up today when I told them about the plight of the poor Tum I dropped in the bathroom. It's been sitting there for 2 days now slowly melting into a milky-yellow puddle on the floor. I can't pick it up cuz it will hurt to get back up...still waiting for Dh to notice it. Ok well it's not that funny but it does seem funny to me! :-P Anyway back to how great Dh is :-D...he works 11 hours a day then comes home and everyday it seems there's something for him to do. The other day it was setting up the crib, then moving the big computer desk out of the baby's room, then hanging up new curtains etc. etc. He has a very low mess-tolerance (which is really bad cuz I'm horrible at cleaning) but not once in the last 3 months have we gotten into a fight over the house being a mess. He either helps me out or just doesn't say anything about the dishes that haven't been done or the pile of clothes building up on the floor etc. Such a sweetheart! He's been living on only 4-6 hours of sleep every day for the past 2 weeks at least. Alhamdulilah today we went to bed really early, around 8, so Inshallah he'll catch up on sleep. He also only has one day off but on that one day off he voluteers his time for the Boy Scouts. I love him! :) He always makes me feel so good. He tells me all the time, out of nowhere, that I'm beautiful :) and I can tell he really means it.
Hmm...lets see my Aunt and Grandma were in town for my sisters wedding. We had such a good time today talking about their labors. I've pretty much concluded that I'm going over my due date. As I found out today, my mom, Aunt, and Grandma all went over their due dates. My aunt never went into labor on her own, she always had to be induced. Oh well. So at least I know not to drive myself crazy thinking I might go into labor any day. And if I do go into labor early, at least it'll be a nice surprise! I'd be the first among the women in my immediate family to do that!
Oh and another not-so-good thing I found out today...my grandma and Aunt both had all big babies...over 8 pounds. My mom was the only one with small/average babies (I was 6 pounds even and my sibs were all around 7 pounds.) Hope I follow in my mom's footsteps!
Ah wow can you tell I'm bored? This is really long hehe...and it's 4 in the morning. I'm gonna go to bed soon Inshallah...just trying to enjoy my last few days of getting to stay up late and wake up late!
Well hope everyone else is doing good! Please make duaa for me...and Inshallah I'll make duaa for you guys when I go into labor!
~Maryam, Mommy to Beautiful Princess Aya (Jan. 09)~
10/2011- CP, 04/2012- CP, 12/2012- MC at 9 weeks, 05/2013-BO
Mashallah am so happy for you inshallah i hope you have an easy labor
~*~MyBaby Boy Mohammed AbdulMaged Elsayed~*~
~*~10/19/08~*~9pounds 13ounces
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