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1.5 cups frozen mixed greens
1 cup spinach, stems are cut
1 egg
4 tablespoons lemon juice
zests of 1 lemon
1 garlic clove, minced
3 tablespoons extra virgin olive oil
1 tablespoon white vinegar
salt and pepper to taste
1) Boil water over high heat. Prepare a cold bath. Cook frozen mixed greens until warm. Set mixed green aside in cold bath.
2) Make dressing by mixing lemon juice, lemon zests, extra virgin olive oil, garlic, salt and pepper. Set aside.
3) Mix spinach with one-third of the dressing. Make sure dressing completely coats with the leaves. Set aside.
4) Pull mixed greens from the cold bath. Mix mixed greens with one-third of the dressing. Make sure dressing completely coats with the greens. Set aside.
5) Boil pot of water over high heat. Turn off heat when water boils. Pour white vinegar to water and start stirring. Drop egg into vinegared water gently until egg is poached.
6) Layer mixed green at the bottom. Then spinach in the middle and poached egg on top. Drizzle rest of the dressing to the dish. Serve when ready.
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Pediatric Rheumatology
The relationships between adult juvenile idiopathic arthritis and employment
Version of Record online: 27 AUG 2012
DOI: 10.1002/art.34499
Copyright © 2012 by the American College of Rheumatology
Arthritis & Rheumatism
Volume 64, Issue 9, pages 3016–3024, September 2012
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How to Cite
Malviya, A., Rushton, S. P., Foster, H. E., Ferris, C. M., Hanson, H., Muthumayandi, K. and Deehan, D. J. (2012), The relationships between adult juvenile idiopathic arthritis and employment. Arthritis & Rheumatism, 64: 3016–3024. doi: 10.1002/art.34499
Publication History
- Issue online: 27 AUG 2012
- Version of Record online: 27 AUG 2012
- Accepted manuscript online: 31 MAY 2012 11:49AM EST
- Manuscript Accepted: 3 APR 2012
- Manuscript Received: 13 NOV 2011
- Abstract
- Article
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The chronicity of juvenile idiopathic arthritis (JIA) into adulthood and attendant potential disability may adversely influence educational attainment and the ability to secure and maintain gainful employment. We undertook this study to investigate the effects of patient- and disease-specific factors on education and employment outcomes in a group of adult patients with JIA.
We performed a cross-sectional study of 103 consecutive adults attending a JIA continuity clinic, and patients who consented completed questionnaires relating to educational achievement, employment status, and functional disability (the Health Assessment Questionnaire disability index [HAQ DI]), and, for those who were employed, the rheumatoid arthritis Work Instability Scale. We used the structural equation modeling technique to study key patient and disease variables for employment in adults with JIA.
The median age of patients was 24 years (range 17–71 years) with median disease duration of 19 years (range 7–67 years). Functional disability (the mean HAQ DI score) was significantly lower in patients who were employed (P = 0.03) and in those with oligoarticular JIA (t = 2.29, P = 0.02). Educational achievement was not influenced by JIA subtype (F = 1.18, P = 0.33). Educational achievement measured by General Certificate of Secondary Education (GCSE) grades had a positive effect on the type of job achieved in later life (F = 11.63, P = 0.001), with greater success leading to more professional or managerial posts. In the complex structural equation model, job stability was influenced positively by educational achievement measured by GCSE grades and negatively by the HAQ DI score (t = 10.94, P = 6.36 × 10−16).
Educational attainment is key to successful employability and is influenced by functional disability rather than by JIA subtype. These findings have implications for choice of occupation and delivery of career advice to aid decision making by young people with JIA.


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PREVIEWS: "Daredevil," "Uncanny X-Men," & More Marvel Comics On Sale August 3, 2016
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In case his appearance in a half-dozen monthly titles and the upcoming films weren't enough for die-hard fans, there's always that massive Wolverine: The Adamantium Collection hardcover Marvel announced in December. Just how massive? Feast your eyes on the first images of the book, and pity poor editor Sana Amanat (above).
Weighing in at a whopping 16 pounds, the foot-tall collection is big enough to kill a fully grown man or, when stood open, to serve as shelter for a child. It apparently marks the debut of the "all-new Mighty Marvel Format," which suggests completists may want to invest now in larger, reinforced shelves. Preferably, adamantium.
I haven't seen an official announcement of this yet, but several bloggers have picked up that the info for DC's Before Watchmen trades is up on Amazon. I first saw this at Chris Marshall's DGTL Comics. All four books are scheduled for July 2013 release, one each week (so, right around Comic-Con). Here's what they are listing:
Before Watchmen, Vol. 1, by Darwyn Cooke and Amanda Conner, collects Before Watchmen: Minutemen (1-6) and Before Watchmen: Silk Spectre (1-4).
Before Watchmen, Vol. 2, by Brian Azzarello, J.G. Jones and Lee Bermejo, collects Before Watchmen: Comedian (1-6) and Before Watchmen: Rorschach (1-4)
Before Watchmen, Vol. 3, by J. Michael Straczynski, Adam Hughes and Joe Kubert, collects Before Watchmen: Nite Owl (1-4) and Before Watchmen: Manhattan (1-4)
Before Watchmen, Vol. 4, by Len Wein, Jae Lee and John Higgins, collects Before Watchmen: Ozymandias (1-6).
All four books are more than 250 pages, and Amazon lists the price at $29.99 each. Marshall notes there is also a Deluxe Edition of the original Watchmen that's due out in June.
In September, DC Comics Co-Publisher Dan DiDio told MTV Geek that there would be collected editions of Before Watchmen that "will sit side by side with the Watchmen books." He also hinted that sales of the trades would determine whether there would be more Before Watchmen comics in the future.
Taking a page from DC Comics' New 52 playbook, Marvel will collect all of the first issues from its Marvel NOW! initiative in a 688-page oversized hardcover omnibus edition, Publishers Weekly reports. Arriving in June, the $99.99 volume will feature a cover by Joe Quesada.
Announced in July, Marvel NOW! was billed as an easy entry point into the Marvel Universe with a rollout of new or relaunched series that began in October with Uncanny Avengers and continues through February with titles like Uncanny X-Men, Nova and Fearless Defenders. The omnibus will collect more than 30 issues.
Buoyed by Marvel NOW!, the publisher led the direct market in both dollar and unit amounts in November, and claimed eight of the Top 10 spots on the Diamond Comic Distributors sales chart. All-New X-Men #1 took the top spot, with the debuts of Captain America, Deadpool, Indestructible Hulk, Iron Man, Fantastic Four and Thor: God of Thunder, and the second issue of Uncanny Avengers crowding out most of the competition.
Read the solicitation text for the Marvel NOW! Omnibus below:
Neil Gaiman and Colleen Doran are working together on a new graphic novel for Dark Horse, the artist revealed in a weekend blog post discussing technique. The two last collaborated on The Sandman #34, published in 1992.
"My pencil technique is exactly the opposite of what they teach now in art school," Doran wrote. "I do not use the side of the pencil, or graphite. I use the sharp tip of the pencil, and build up everything from hundreds of strokes. This is the way old masters drew back in the day with silverpoint. It's a look I love, but almost no one does it because it is so laborious. The popular prejudice is for the 1950-ish commercial art drawing style. I like that, but it's not what I want to do myself. I am using this technique on the new Neil Gaiman graphic novel I am doing for Dark Horse. You can imagine how happy I am to be doing this project! The drawings will then be colored with thin washes of watercolor, digitally, or both."
Gaiman has a rapidly expanding workload, having signed a five-book deal in July in HarperCollin's Children Books, an announcement that was soon followed by news of a Sandman prequel miniseries. Doran, the veteran creator of A Distant Soil, most recently collaborated with Barry Lyga on Mangaman, from Houghton Mifflin Books for Children, and with Derek McCulloch and Jose Villarrubia on Gone to Amerikay, from Vertigo.
DC Entertainment will release a slipcase edition of Sandman this November, collecting all 10 volumes of the landmark series by Neil Gaiman and friends. The slipcase will retail for $199, which is about what you'd pay if you bought all the books by themselves at full price. Amazon has it available for pre-ordering for $
125. (Update: the price went up today to $179).
According to Gaiman, the collections are recolored, using the recolored Absolute Edition pages of the first few books.
Publishing | Image Comics publisher Eric Stephenson talks about the ups and downs of the past year, including getting Todd MacFarlane's Spawn on a tighter schedule and the difficulties of selling all-ages comics: "There's this really blinkered mentality in comics that "all-ages" means only for kids, despite the relatively easy to understand implication that all-ages books can be enjoyed by readers of all ages. Diamond even has this graphic they use for all-ages comics in Previews and it's these two children that look like toddlers or whatever. People seem to miss the point that most the comics we love from the '60s or '70s or even the '80s to a large degree, were all-ages comics. Stan & Jack's Fantastic Four was an all-ages book. And it was brilliant." [Multiversity Comics]
Digital | Viz Media, the largest manga publisher in the United States, began releasing its graphic novels on Barnes & Noble's Nook Tablet and Nook Color devices today. As on the Viz iOS app and website, the manga are priced from $4.99 to $9.99 per volume, and they read from right to left, in authentic Japanese fashion. 107 volumes from 18 series are available at launch, although the selection skews a bit older than what's available on the iOS app, with no sign of the Shonen Jump blockbusters Naruto, Bleach, or One Piece, at least in the initial announcement. [press release]
Amid staff layoffs, multiple title cancellations and "new budgetary mandates" word surfaces of still another cost-cutting measure at Marvel, this time involving trade paperback royalties.
According to Bleeding Cool, about a month ago the publisher issued an updated payment agreement that finally addressed digital sales while also amending the percentage of trade paperbacks exempt from royalties because of "returns, anticipated returns, promotional copies and damages." What used to be 25 percent is now 30 percent, which the more math-minded note is a nearly 7-percent hit to creators.
Rich Johnston describes the exemption clause as "ambiguous," something expanded upon by Graeme McMillan, who points out that Marvel doesn't actually offer promotional copies to reviewers like DC Comics and most other publishers do.
One of the few certainties of comics blogging is that any reaction to news of a major archival collection from Fantagraphics Books — say, the Mickey Mouse strips of Floyd Gottfredson or, just this week, the complete Donald Duck stories of Carl Barks — will include a chorus of "I'm still waiting on Pogo." That's a reference, of course, to the planned 12-volume collection of The Complete Pogo Daily & Sunday Comics Strips by Walt Kelly, announced in February 2007. Although the series was set to debut in October of that year, to date no volumes have been released.
But the publisher promises that's about to change. "[A] new year is upon and it's time to 'fess up about all the late Fantagraphics titles you were expecting to have by now, and don't, because we suck," Co-Publisher Kim Thompson writes on the company's blog. "Specific apologia and weaseling have been added to some titles, others we just pass under mortified silence. 2011 will be better!"
He follows that admission with updates on some 22 titles, including the first volume of The Complete Pogo, which is now set for release this fall. "Yes, seriously, for real this time," Thompson writes. He also previews the cover for that first collection, which you can see above.
The Comics Reporter's Tom Spurgeon breaks the welcome news that Barnaby, the classic comic strip by Harold and the Purple Crayon writer/artist Crockett Johnson, will be collected by Fantagraphics beginning in April 2012. Designed by Wilson and Ghost World cartoonist Daniel Clowes, the collections will include the strip's entire ten-year run from 1942-1952, including the strips created by Jack Morley and Ted Ferro after Johnson assumed a story-consultant role on the comic.
Long beloved by the comics cognoscenti, Barnaby tells the tale of young Barnaby Baxter and his cigar-chomping fairy godfather, Mr. O'Malley. As Spurgeon notes, old collections like the one pictured above have been hard to come by, making the strip one of the last great gets available in this, the Golden Age of Comics Reprints — which Fantagraphics arguably kicked off with its similar, Seth-designed Complete Peanuts collections. Barnaby joins Floyd Gottfredson's Mickey Mouse and George Herriman's Krazy Kat dailies on the list of eagerly awaited archival reprint projects headed our way from the publisher over the next several years. (As an aside, my suspicion is that Johnson's fine line, the whimsy of the material, the rounded and jolly character designs, and even the typeset lettering will all find a receptive audience in the webcomics age.)
Click here to read Spurgeon's thorough report on the announcement and the strip itself.
A quick round-up of Comic-Con updates, additional announcements and interesting links:
• Warner Bros. Animation officially announced a DC Universe Original Movie based on All-Star Superman, the award-winning series by Grant Morrison and Frank Quitely. The direct-to-DVD animated feature, set for release in spring 2011, is written by Dwayne McDuffie, who calls the series "one of the greatest stories in comic book history."
• ICv2.com has additional details about one of the more interesting announcements from the convention, Fantagraphics' partnership with Disney to publish the complete Mickey Mouse comic strips by Floyd Gottfredson. The collections will be released beginning in May at a rate of two volumes a year. They will retail for $29.99.
• Tom Spurgeon rounds up the selections from the Thursday panel "The Best and Worst of Manga 2010."
• Speaking of Spurgeon, his "Notes from the Convention Floor" posts are, as usual, well worth reading: Day 1, Day 2, Day 3, Day 4.
• I enjoyed Todd VanDerWerff's coverage of Comic-Con for The A.V. Club, including his visit to Artists' Alley, and this broader post in which he questions whether the convention is "worth serious news coverage."
• In the midst of Comic-Con, the Los Angeles Times rolled out a look at digital comics and their potential impact on the industry. "Comic book stores have a very close relationship with their customers," says author and critic Douglas Wolk. "But the old-school collectors are aging, and it may be that the print comic goes away eventually. There is an entire generation of readers who is not interested in physical copies."
• Grant Morrison chats briefly with IGN.com about his newly announced series Batman Inc.
• Is it just me, or are the round-ups of convention "winners and losers" pretty much meaningless? I'm sure Snakes on a Plane was declared a "winner" of whichever Comic-Con it was promoted — 2006, maybe? — and we all know how that played out.
Fantagraphics Books announced this afternoon from Comic-Con International, via Twitter, that it has partnered with Disney to publish the complete Mickey Mouse comic strips by Floyd Gottfredson, the cartoonist renowned for his defining work on the character. He is to Mickey Mouse comics what Carl Barks is to Donald Duck comics.
Gottfredson was 24 years old when he was assigned to the fledgling Mickey Mouse strip in 1930, and continued to work on it for the next 45 years. During his long tenure, he introduced such characters as the miserly Eli Squinch, Mickey's nephews Morty and Ferdie Fieldmouse, Chief O'Hara and the Phantom Blot. Gottfredson retired in 1975, and passed away in 1986 at age 81.
Fantagraphics will begin releasing the collections in May 2011. No other details were announced.
Update: Douglas Wolk speaks briefly to Fantagraphics Publisher Gary Groth about the reprints.
Legal | In what could be a prelude to a courtroom battle with the heirs of Superman co-creator Jerry Siegel, Jeff Trexler reports that Warner Bros. has replaced its outside counsel with superstar attorney Daniel Petrocelli.
A partner in the Los Angeles law firm O'Melveny and Myers, Petrocelli is best known for representing Fred Goldman, father of murder victim Ronald Goldman, in a wrongful-death lawsuit against O.J. Simpson. Petrocelli also successfully defended The Walt Disney Co. in a lengthy battle over merchandising royalties from Winnie-the-Pooh.
The Siegel family, of course, has its own superstar attorney: intellectual-property lawyer Marc Toberoff, who also represents the children of Jack Kirby in their bid to reclaim their father's copyrights to characters he created for Marvel. [Blog@Newsarama]
Legal | A proposed amendment to Tokyo's regional laws designed to ban the sale of loli material to minors uses such vague and sweeping language that the effects could be far-reaching. [Sankaku Complex, Icarus Publishing]
Zuda cartoonists Johnny Zito and Tony Trov emailed me yesterday to let me (and presumably, everyone else) know that they recently donated their entire comic book collections to RiF, better known as Reading is Fundamental. "That's how committed to the digital revolution we are," Zito wrote.
Zito added that the roughly 10,000 comics they donated to the organization's after school programs around the country. "This promotes literacy and hopefully expands the comic book reading audience to a new generation," he said.
The really good news is that RiF will be accepting donations for the rest of the school year and possibly onward as Zito and Trov look to make this a permanent operation. In the meantime, interested parties can send their comic book donations to:
Beth Pettit
RiF Comic Book Donation Drive
St. Aloysius Education Clinic
219 West 132nd Street
New York, NY 10027
So if you got an underread (and age-appropriate) graphic novel gathering dust on your shelves, now you know where to send it to.
The University of Western Ontario received an early present this holiday season — comics collector and retired college professor Eddy Smet is in the process of giving them "what is believed to be the largest and most valuable collection of comic books ever donated to a Canadian university," the school's newspaper reports.
Smet is donating "a significant portion" of his 10,000-plus, single-issue and original graphic novel collection to Western Archives, the archival research department of Western Libraries. The collection includes comics from the 1970s and 1980s, including complete runs of Miracleman, Watchmen and Swamp Thing, as well as the first 14 issues of Captain Canuck, "arguably Canada's most popular and important superhero comic," the paper says.
"It's like cutting off my own arms because I've been collecting for more than 40 years, but I know giving my collection to a place like Western will provide a wonderful resource for students and faculty who are studying pop culture, visual arts or even women's studies," Smet said.
(Thanks Jeffrey!)
Terry Moore has teamed up with the Comic Book Legal Defense Fund and Black Phoenix Alchemy Lab on a limited edition "lettered" version of the Strangers in Paradise Omnibus. Now I know some smart ass out there (other than me) is thinking: "Aren't all comic books lettered? How else would we read them?" In this case, lettered means it's limited to 26 copies — A through Z — and it includes the following:
All sets can be available for pick up at Comic-Con in San Diego, or will be mailed in the first week of August … except for the "A" edition, which is up on eBay right now. The auction, which is currently over $1,000, ends tomorrow. The set costs $500 on the CBLDF site.


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This man is evil. An insurance Ho There is a place in Hades with his name on it ! Need I say more?
This Guy should NOT be allowed to practice medicine. Twice now he`s called me and about FIVE other doctors liars. He has no apparent clue of the oath he was sworn to follow. He is paid dearly by the insurance co. for a so called "independent medical exam" Half of his report is either wrong or flat out lies. My lawyer will discredit him yet again because his report is wrong on SO many levels, it is amazing to me that The Travelers insurance company continues to use him for IME`s. Dr borowski is an extremely poor excuse for a doctor. He is nothing more than a prostitute for the travelers ins. co and most likely others. His opinion depends COMPLETELY on who is writing the check. And as a work comp case, he knows that I have no recourse. Do not trust him. If you see him for an IME, you WILL be treated like a rape victim. I have a seriously messed up back and in pain nearly 24 hours a day, but he has the gumtion to call me a liar!!!
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User talk:Mtheory1
- 1 An invitation to the Teahouse!
- 2 Welcome!
- 3 Your recent edits
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- 6 User "Ordibehesht"
- 7 Response to "Just a Thought."
- 8 Just a small Thought
- 9 To MTheory1
- 10 Snippets of Responses
- 11 Response to Moonstone (great insight)
- 12 Iran not REALLY Mesopot.
- 13 Newest Post-Conversations on Iran
- 14 South Asia?
- 16 According to اردیبهشت's sources:
- 17 ArbCom elections are now open!
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You should realize that the countries that are a part of Western Asia are ASIAN, hence the word- ASIA! Also, almost all of your sources for placing Iran in South Asia are incorrect- National Geographic places Iran in Western Asia, as do most scholars. South Asia TRADITIONALLY refers to the Indian tectonic plate- of which Iran is NOT a part of. The Indian tectonic plate consists of India, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and the Sindh/Punjab provinces of Pakistan (both of these provinces constitute a majority of Pakistan's population, with cities like Karachi and Lahore) . Afghanistan is considered to be a Central Asian country, with heavy South Asian influences due to its long Pakistani border. Iran, however, is a primarily WEST ASIAN country- Northeastern regions, and Southeastern areas, could be placed in Central Asia- due to ties with Turkmenistan and Southern Afghanistan/Pakistan, respectively. Western Pakistan and Afghanistan are GEOGRAPHICALLY Central Asian as well. Iran is defined by the Zagros and Elburz mountains, which are part of the Caucasus- Anatolian mountain "region"- therefore, most of Iran's populace has closer ties to the Caucasus and Northern West Asia- which are NOT ARAB SPEAKING- mostly Turkish, Azeri, Kurdish, and Persian related groups. Notice, all of these areas ARE ASIAN''''.
As MOST of Iran lives in the North and West, the cuisine also has a very Caucasus- inspired taste- less spices! Breads such as Lavash are also primarily Armenian/Azeri. However, it does have a very Mediterranean flavour, due to geographic proximity. Tehran, Esfahan, Tabriz, Hamadan, and Mashhad are located in either the West or Northern parts of Iran, and have either more Caucasian, West Asian, or Central Asian "flair". Most Iranians come from regions surrounding these cities. Therefore, Iranian culture is a mixture of Caucasus, Central Asia, and West Asia, with more influence from one or the other depending on the region. Due to very little populace living in Southeastern Iran, South Asian cultural influences- from the plains of India and Pakistan- are practically non-existant in MOST of Iran, except for Baluchistan. Iranian culture did heavily influence the Ottomans and Mughals, however, and similarities between Iranian and South Asian cuisine and culture do exist due to the Mughal culture. Same goes for Turkey, and countries ruled by the Ottomans, who were also extremely Persianized.
If you are an Iranian, it is most likely that you also have Azeri ancestors, who are thoroughly part of the Caucasus' cultural quilt, and have EXTREMELY close ties to their brethren in neighboring Anatolia/Turkey. Kurds, who constitute a large part of Iran, also live in neighboring Turkey and Northern Iraq. The southeasternly Baluchis, however, who could be Iran's closest tie to South Asia, do not constitute a large part of Iran's ethnic community. Iran is a primarily Persian, Kurdish, and Turkish/Azeri nation. Even the Persians have great admixture with the Turks, Kurds, and even Arabs. Therefore, it can be said that Iran is a West Asian country, with significant Central Asian and Caucasian influences. YES!! ASIAN- but West/Central Asian, as Iran is NORTH of the Arab regions of West Asia.
MAP OF ASIA from National Geo.- the UN geoscheme is not based on proper geographic and cultural facts- even many of the UN's departments don't use the UN geoscheme, as it incorrectly regionalizes many countries, and causes confusion. Makers of the geoscheme have admitted its faults, and are working to fix it.""
Various universities' departments of South Asian Studies also, by and large, reject the idea that Iran is part of South Asia.
If you are Baluchi (2% of Iran's populace), you could consider yourself Central/South Asian. ANYTHING ELSE, your are either Western Asian, Central Asian, or Caucasian.
Also-Afghanistan's Persian speakers are Tajiks, or Hazara. The Tajiks are Uzbeks, Bactrians, and Sogdians who learned to speak Persian as the Turkic leaders of Central Asia spoke Persian in court. Same with Hazaras, who originate from Mongols and Turkic groups. When people say PERSIAN, in terms of an ethnic group, they refer to any Persian speaker who claims descent from the province of Fars- however, as the Persians- meaning Iranian Persian speakers- intermarried HEAVILY with Arabs and Turks, there is no real meaning of Persian. Calling an Afghan Persian is like calling a Chinese person English, just because he speaks the language. Genetic testing has proven that the difference between peoples living across the Dasht-e-Lut and Dasht-e-Kavir in Eastern Iran is very significant. Populations east of these deserts have more Central Asian influence, however, the MAJORITY of Iran lives to the north and west of these deserts, and have greater genetic affinity to the populations of the Caucasus, Anatolia, and Northern Mesopotamia.
User "Ordibehesht"[edit]
"No problem in regards to the 3RR. I'll refrain from it next time. However, i will be back on Wednesday to continue to neutralize the disruptive POV campaign being waged against Iran-related articles here by a handful of vulgar Afghans. A rather pathetic and futile effort by these strange individuals. Day by day, no matter how long as it takes, any POV campaign against Iran-related articles here will be neutralized."-quote User talk:اردیبهشت.
- Afghani people are not "vulgar." They are kind. Intelligent. Great people. I am Iranian (born in Qa'emshahr) and I see that in them. I am glad this person has been blocked from this editing.
Mtheory1 (talk) 08:22, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Response to "Just a Thought."[edit]
I will be back with an in-depth analysis of "Just a Thought" with "Just a Reasonable Thought." As an Iranolgist, it will take time for me to gather some information. I'll do it later on soon. But I LOVE this person's analysis. But, I must address some serious assertions.
Just a small Thought[edit]
Just to clarify Iran's MULTIPLE regional positionS
I WILL analyse this page and present my opinions later (I am tired:) ). You are very knowledgable and I agree with you, but Iranologists like myself and my colleagues are starting to diverge from some of the things this person attests, he/she must have learned online. The job of an Iranologist is not to create defined barriers and "majority" labels for Iran, but to identify such barriers and the relations such barriers have amongst one another. I will be back with further analysis. Remember, what you say about majorities is correct, but the historians and scholars in fields similar to this wish to recognize ALL the areas of the world a country contributes to: culturally, genetically (pools), politically, etc... I will try to cover all these pieces of analysis in my explanation as simply as I can. Remember also, genetics is not the BEST way of understanding definitions of cultures. Understand that the majority of West Asia is Semetic, and an extremely tiny percentage of Iran and Central Asia (both Persian to the core and very closely aligned gentically) are Semetic. This is why it is NOT West Asian in any form, because for years, Iranian people themselves have rejected the culture and issues of that part of the world. Iran is erroneously placed in the middle east, and it's actually funny because the word keeps expanding. Pretty soon, Kashi (part of Xinjiang, China) will be middle eastern! Anyways, to make a long explanation short (I tend to babble), Iran can be BEST described as South-Central Asian, but not West. It is incorrect in MANY ways, and also does an injustice to Iranians who, quite honestly, do not even wish to be thought of as such. Being attacked by people of this area has major perceptional impacts on a culture, and this cannot be overlooked for Iranians. The "majority" you are speaking of is actually (genetically, culturally, everything else really :) ) of Iran is actually more-so related to Turkey, and just because Turks don't have Mongoloid features, does not mean they are NOT Turkic. A great percentage of Iranian genetic pool is Turkic, and the Persians are descendants of a province called Fars, which the people thereof migrated northeastward, towards the "stans" we know now today. The fact that Afghans speak heavy Persian has absolutely nothing to do wuth your comment: "calling a Chinee person English." The Persian langage has been infused in the culture of Afghanistan (and all the "stans" for lack of a better term) for years longer than English has been in Chinese language, so this connection is erroneous. OK. I will also attach some DNA tests from a friend of mine, and you will see distinct "corridors" of genetic pools Iran creates. The Iranians WERE an Insular people, but NOT a non-migratory people. They moved about, taking their culture, langage, and genes with them. The only genetic relation they have with Semetic peoples (Arabs, etc) is through war and rape crimes, and this is not much. Many Persians mated with Turks, and many voluntary since the peoples of Turks (who migrated from C Asia, Southwards into Iran) were fascinated by the culture, etc. Yes, I am interchanging the words Persian and Iranian quite often, but it really does not matter considering thatthey are all so genetically aligned with one another. I will continue my analysis later. I am very tired. But great job in what you have so far. Really, you are an intelligent person.
Oh and although you keep saying Iran is absolutely NOT S Asian as a majority, how do you think enormous abundances of Sanskrit (proto-Indo) came into our language(s)? Does that not have an influence on where we are "located"?
Mtheory1 (talk) 08:58, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
To MTheory1[edit]
I applaud your great insight into this issue(something that really should not even be an issue!). By calling Iran South Asian, more so than West Asian, you are forced to cherry pick certain similarities that exist due to the advent of Muslim Turkic groups. Also, by just calling Iran JUST Central Asian, then what about Turkey, which you claim is one of Iran's most similar neighbors? Is Turkey also fully Central Asian? Iran's culture is a bridge between the Caucasus, West Asia, and Central Asia, with an outlying factor in South Asia. As I have stated previously, South Asia mainly refers to the Indian Subcontinent, which Iran is ABSOLUTELY NOT a part of. This fact is proven geographically, and genetically, and can't be disproven. However, the similarities between Iran and the Indian Subcontinent are there, mainly due to Mughal rule. However, nowadays, South Asia had expanded, and sometimes includes Afghanistan, especially since the British Raj- due to its long Pakistani border and the Pashtun tribes scattered along it. Just because WIkipedia says Afghanistan's citizens are Persians does NOT mean it is correct! I have already explained this in my earlier post. The main region of Afghanistan that has Iranian ( AS IN THE COUNTRY- IRAN) influence is the province of Herat, which has a mixture of Central Asian and Iranian culture. It is not a coincidence that the South Asian influence ever present in Afghanistan is miniscule in Herat! Even then, the citizens of Herat can not be considered Persian, but Tajik, due to their Uzbek, Sogdian, and Bactrian ancestry. Remember, in talking about Afghanistan, we are speaking of ethnic issues that have caused a 30 year civil war that killed millions of Afghans! By the way- just to clarify, the term "Afghan" refers to the Pashtuns who mainly live in Southeastern Afghanistan.
You also seem to not understand my point in one of my silly statements- "Saying an Afghan is Persian is like calling a Chinese person English, just because he speaks the language". By this, I meant that if a Chinese person started to ONLY speak the English language, while still living in China, he would not call himself English, in terms of ethnicity!
One must realize that the only reason Persian exists is due to the Turkic groups that invaded Iran and Anatolia! They revived the Persian language after years of Arab rule. Khorasan, a province of Iran (this province should be considered Central Asian!) in many ways led this revival of Persian. Therefore, as the Turkic leaders spoke this revived Persian, they forced many of their new conquered peoples to speak it, particularly in what is now Northern Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan. This region of Central Asia had many ancient learned cities, such as Samarqand, and they welcomed the use of Persian as a language of literature and art. Same goes for the Persianized Ottomans and Mughals. Some ROYAL intermarriage may have happened, but, as a whole, the Persians of Central Iran and the Zagros liked to stay put, due to fears of attack by the scary invaders!
The Turks of Iran- primarily the Azeris- are an Oghuz Turkish group closely related to their brethren in Anatolia, and have intermarried heavily with local Pontic Greek, Kurdish, Persian, Armenian, Georgian, e.t.c groups. They also have some Arab intermarriages.
Central Asia is not Persian-speaking as a majority EITHER, only Tajikistan and parts of Afghanistan are. Central Asia is inhabited by the easternly Turkic groups, such as the Kipchaq and other subsets of the Turkic languages. They do have Persian influences, however. Kashi (or Kashgar) is a Uyghur speaking city in Western China, and is Turkic- again, with Persian influences.
Iran is MORE one of the other for a person coming from a particular region! However, MOST Iranians come from regions that have more influence from Central Asia, West Asia, or the Caucasus, as compared to South Asia.
Turkey can also place itself in Iran's shoes, as both have enormous amounts of Oghuz Turkic and Western Iranic ethnic groups! And, Turkey is not semitic either, neither is Northern Syria and Iraq, which are Kurdish. So, are there regions South Asia JUST because they are not semitic?
Also, as I have stated previously, the Dasht-e-Lut and the Dasht-e-Kavir of Eastern Iran provide a genetic barrier. West of this, there is more alignment with the Caucasus, Anatolia, and Northern Mesopotamia (Syrian and Iraqi Kurdistan). East, there is more Central Asian influence.
The Turks who invaded Iran and Anatolia went through great cultural assimilation! Originally, they were most likely mongoloid, but with heavy admixture with the peoples living in Northern West Asia, they lost many of these features. The Turkmen of Northeastern Iran, however, still often retain these features.
Again, by EMPHASIZING Iran's South Asian similarities, instead of West Asia, you are forgetting about a majority of Iran! EMPHASIZE that Iran is West and Central Asian, with South Asian influence in its Southeast.
Ancient Persian had Sanskrit COGNATES, as both are Indo-European! In actuality, it would be easier for a Sanskrit person to learn LATIN, than Hindi, as Old Persian, Ancient Greek, Ancient Latin, and Sanskrit were very similar! Also, Ancient Persian was written in cuneiform, which shows great Mesopotamian influence. The ancient Persian cities of Persepolis, Pasargadae, Ecbatana, Ctesiphon (now in Iraq), and the Behistun Inscription show much similarity to Mesopotamian architecture. The ancient city of Susa in Iran was also created by Roman architects, as this city was under Roman rule.
If you are a Baluchi, then I understand why you would prefer Iran to be South Asian, however, if not, you would not be considered South Asian. Remember, we are talking of the majority! We should not cherry pick!
Snippets of Responses[edit]
- Neighnouring countries, all over the world, share similarities in culture, language, and also cuisine. Of course Iran - and the entire Iranian world, which also includes countries like Afghanistan - have a lot common with neighbouring cultures, such as those of India ("India" is just a Western name for a large sub-continent as big and as diverse as Europe!) or Anatolia. "Kebab" is not an Iranian or Persian invention, it is part of the larger Mesopotamian cuisine and has a much older history than Persia or Iran. In fact, not even the word "Kebab" is Persian. One of the main dishes of the entire Iranian world - from Baghdad to Badakhshan - is rice, an important import from India. The more one moves to the east, the more similarities one can find with India or other Asian countries (that includes the universial Asian dish Mantu which originated in Iranian Sogdia and was exported by the Turks and Mongols as far as Korea where it is known as Mandu and Anatolia where it is known as Manti). And the more one moves to the West, the more one can find similarities with Arab countries. The "Afghan cuisine" is in fact a mix of the different peoples that lives in that country: the cuisine of Herat is very similar to that of eastern Iran, the cuisine of kabul is spicy like Indian food. Anyone who denies this eclectic nature of Iranian culture is either uneducated or has inferiority complexes. The Iranian and Indian world have a lot a common, not only in culture and language. Iran has taken as much from India as it has given to India. --Lysozym (talk) 19:26, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Lysozym is absolutely correct. اردیبهشت and only ONE other user are using words like "POV" and whatever to cover up their actions, accusing others of "vandalism" when he/she is vandal him/herself. I am not saying Iran is not "related" to M East, but Iranians are NOT Semetic, and THEREFORE NOT WEST ASIAN. The oNLY relation we have with that part of the world is political, unfair, and the invasions that have been brought upon us. We have ALWAYS pushed away from EVERYTHING from W Asia, and have welcomed our Central Asian (almost 40% of Iran is Turkic, second largest populations) and S Asian (we have MANY commonalities through language [Proto-Into-Sanskirt words and cognates] and foods) cultures. Mtheory1 (talk) 21:11, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Lysozym is correct in his reasoning. Iran is an amalgamation of Central Asian and West Asian cultures, with South Asian influences due to the reign of the Persianized Mughals in the Indian Subcontinent. Again, in speaking of the MAJORITY of Iran, the populace of Iran lives in the North and West, therefore, similarities with Anatolia, the Caucasus, NORTHERN West Asia and Central Asia are more common than those with South Asia. However, even similarities between Iran and South Asia in terms of culture exist. Even then, if an Iranian from Tabriz, Isfahan, or Tehran were to meet a Turk from Adana, and an Pakistani from Lahore, the Iranian would find more similarities with the Turk. However, this mainly refers to the majority of Iran that lives in its North and West.
And another thing! The "Iranian World" that is being constantly spoken of is slightly ridiculous. Including ALL of Afghanistan and Tajikistan in the "Iranian World" is not in accordance with fact. The "Iranian World" mainly consists of Iran, Azerbaijan, Armenia, parts of Georgia, the Russian Caucasus, Eastern and Northeastern Anatolia, Northern Mesopotamia, and Northwestern Afghanistan.
Also, Proto-Indo-Sanskrit does not exist! Proto-Indo-European does, however! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonstone1889 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 2 August 2012 (UTC) (Below is a response from some administrator, perhaps)
- Now, as to the discussion itself, basically, everything you two say above doesn't belong here. Wikipedia, including article talk pages and project talk pages, is not a place of scholarly debate. You are both making arguments about language, culture, cuisine, ethnicity, history, etc. None of that is relevant. Instead, the way that we decide what goes in articles is to look at what reliable sources say. If the majority of reliable sources say that Iran is in SOuth Asia, then that's how our articles should describe it. If the majority say its in Central Asia, then that's how we describe it. IF there is a serious debate among scholars, then our articles should describe that debate, giving appropriate weight to each side. What we are absolutely forbidden from doing, per WP:OR, is from making arguments about what is or isn't true. So I recommend that instead of continuing this debate, you look for reliable sources (in this case, books or articles by respected historians and geographers, along with high level political documents, will be the best place to look). 06:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right. I had I no idea we weren't aloud to do WP:OR. A lot of these analysis are not only my own research, but that of others here in our department (in Iran) and other places. I am very sorry. However, because Wikipedia even has articles that contain information where Iran is EVERPRESENT in S Asia, C Asia, and even W Asia, I think it is right to not just "cherry pick" (in the name of Moonstone) a majority, but list them all. WHat about the Balochi? The Khorasani? I am from Khorasan, and my family has CONSIDERABLE C Asian influence/genetic affinity. In fact, I have family from Mazandaran who look Korean! (Mongoloid features). So it is not fair to pick one label, but is scholarly and justifiable and verifiable to put all of them. That's all I am saying. I agree with all peoples on this forum and a grateful for people like these who care enough about Iran to write responses. But we can all compromise by not agreeing on one un-exact majority and agreeing on a correct, all-encompassing phrase: Iran is Central, Western, and Southern Asian. Thank you for your time. You are all very intelligent people. I value that.
- Now, as to the discussion itself, basically, everything you two say above doesn't belong here. Wikipedia, including article talk pages and project talk pages, is not a place of scholarly debate. You are both making arguments about language, culture, cuisine, ethnicity, history, etc. None of that is relevant. Instead, the way that we decide what goes in articles is to look at what reliable sources say. If the majority of reliable sources say that Iran is in SOuth Asia, then that's how our articles should describe it. If the majority say its in Central Asia, then that's how we describe it. IF there is a serious debate among scholars, then our articles should describe that debate, giving appropriate weight to each side. What we are absolutely forbidden from doing, per WP:OR, is from making arguments about what is or isn't true. So I recommend that instead of continuing this debate, you look for reliable sources (in this case, books or articles by respected historians and geographers, along with high level political documents, will be the best place to look). 06:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Mtheory1 (talk) 02:13, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
- You both are right! Even then, as I stated previously, if an Iranian from Tabriz, Isfahan, or Tehran were to meet a Turk from Adana, and an Pakistani from Lahore, the Iranian would find more similarities with the Turk. However, this mainly refers to the majority of Iran that lives in its North and West. We should generally look at the majority of a certain populace, as they are the main factor of a nation. The Southeasternly Baluchis are ONLY 2% of Iran! The Khorasan province is CENTRAL Asian! Therefore, we are looking at more of a Central and West Asian nation, when speaking of Iran. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moonstone1889 (talk • contribs) 02:34, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Response to Moonstone (great insight)[edit]
You have great insight, Moonstone, but I have to address a few things. I was very tired when I wrote my other message, so I am laughing now when I said Proto-Into-Sanskrit, I meant Indo-European. First off, for many many years, WAY before the Mughals, there was Persian (and great ones) influence and culture aligned with Eastern neighbors (India, and Central Asia). Don't look at little Iran now; look at enormous Iran of yesterday, whose empire had amassed huge lands, and many times bordered the other great Asian empire of the two, the empires of China. Mainly from Proto-Indo-Iranian language, is the main way we gave to India linguistically as we received. Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_peoples#Genetics, a wikipedia article. You will see that a famous geneticist by the name of L. L. Cavalli-Sforza (who we collaborate with at time) explains our divergence with other Near-Eastern cultures. When you speak of Mesopotamia (or even remotely speak of Iraq or West of Iran), the ONLY relation we have with them is (1) when the brought Islam (thousands of years AFTER Persia had established its "nation") and (2) Kurds. The Kurds, unlike other Persian groups (part of Iranic groups), were really the only Iranian peoples who moved NORTH of the Arab countries, and were VERY different from Persians because they were (1) NOT insular (very tribal and "backwards" according to some :) ) and (2) mated with SOME Semetic peoples. If you take an Iranian (Iranic peoples) and an Arab (Semetic), they are actually surprisingly VERY different GENETICALLY. This suggests not only the barriers that limited genetic flow (like mountains and hard terrain), but that fact that Persians did not WANT to mate with Westerners. Iran, for that one reason, cannot be considered Middle Eastern or Western ASian society. Even geographically, Iran is, most likely, South-Central Asian, a tiny bit West Asian (considering the number of Iraqis who migrated into Iran) and South Asian by way of provinces. Also, what you say about Iran's population WEST of the two deserts (Kavir and Lut) being less close to Central Asia is untrue. Remember, the Turks (part of the Turkic peoples) were actually ASIAN Asian! They had the epicanthal fold and the classic Asian features their Mongol counterparts had. But, for migratory purposes, these war-like peoples moves south-westwards, and mated with MANY (and I am mean MANY) Iranian people in Iran. This is why almost 1/3 of Iran is related to the Turks, and the reason why the Hazara's are not the ONLY people living in Iran with "small eyes." The Iranians are, yes, related very much so with the Caucasian peoples. But NOT very much so with Semetic (Arab, etc) people; only a little after Iranian women were raped and cities were plundered after the Islamic conquests of the East. Understand that the word "Caucasian" is EXTREMELY misused and has nOTHING to do with being White. Iranians are NOT White. Persians, and Iranic peoples, are NOT WHITE. Although ignorant Iranian people use the word "Aryan" to describe their "European relations," they are only saying this out of stupidity. In fact, genetically, Arabs are closer to European peoples than Persians! Here is why, for dumb reasons, NW Iran (Caucusus) is attached to the stigma of being white. Beautiful circassian women, from this area, who are totally Asian (who had absolutely no genetic affinity with the West) were renowned for their beauty. When Western countries came into Iran during the Qajar period, European (whites) brought these women (who had jet black hair, but pale white skin after living in the cold mountains) and used racist remarks to define them as THE ideal version of being WHITE. Eventually, this would lead to scientific racism and the idea of a "better" white race. What is funny is that these women were FULLY ASIAN (related to Turks in fact), and were NOT white, only called so. So yes, I agree Iranians is very much so related to the Caucasus and especially Turkey, but understand these peoples are Central Asians and WERE NOT Western Asian. As I have repeatedly said, the only affiliation Iran has with West Asia (Semetic people) is political. The Iranian peoples called the KURDS are the only Iranians living west, and they moved there themselves. Iranians are not Mesopotamian or Iraqi or Arab. Also, JUST BECAUSE MOST OF IRAN LIVES IN THE WEST DOES NOT MEAN THAT IRAN IS WESTERN!!! That just means there is better land there, as there had been for ages. In fact, there is a transition going on that is hoping to populate Iran's east. Iranians, by that regard, are insular and sedentary (lazy :) ). They just SIT there. That's the (funny) reason) why they are in NW. Indo-Iranian languages are distinct from Semitic languages. Very. Now, Iran is MANILY Central Asian. You are right that it (only 2-8% of population) has S Asian, mainly in Baloch lands. The Pashtuns have a very small genetic affinity with Iranians (varies from 3-9 percent), but are still and Iranian people. So YES, ALL of Afghanistan is an Iranian people. But YES, not the greatest genetic affinity. Also, I come from Mazandaran, and our family has more genetic affinity with Turks and my parents speak Azeri! Although the Turkic languages of the East are a LITTLE different from that of the West (Turkey), this proves that there are CONSIDERABLE Central Asian ties throughout ALL Iran, because moving through the deserts you mentioned (Lut, Kavir) were not the oNLY ways of promoting Eastern Asian gene flows into Iran. See http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/jahanshah-javid/genetics-iranians-least-similar-europeans-or-other-near-easterners ("Iranians least similar to Europeans or other Near-Easterners"). Iranians in Iran are a little diffenent than other IRANIC peoples in that they form a tighter genetic cluster than any other Asian group. Not really because of geographic barriers, but because of choice. Still, MANY almost voluntarily mated with the MANY Turkic peoples who moved through Iran to get into Turkey. This is why we even have the slightest bit of relation in W Asia in that regard.
Iran not REALLY Mesopot.[edit]
Mesopotamia (from the Ancient Greek: Μεσοποταμία: "[land] between rivers"; Arabic: بلاد الرافدين (bilād al-rāfidayn); Syriac: ܒܝܬ ܢܗܪܝܢ (beth nahrain): "land of rivers") is a toponym for the area of the Tigris–Euphrates river system, corresponding to modern-day Iraq and to a lesser extent northeastern Syria, southeastern Turkey and smaller parts of southwestern Iran. Thought you'd like to know, not really so much Iran-Iraq.
Mtheory1 (talk) 04:26, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Newest Post-Conversations on Iran[edit]
South Asia?[edit]
There is a member here named Mtheory1 who keeps on editing pages related to Iran and adding numerous mentions of Iran being South Asian. His only source of reference is the UN, which is the only group to ever consider Iran to be South Asian. Everyone else considers Iran to be Middle Eastern/Western Asian. He uses such reasons as Iranians "don't eat rock hard pita bread" to show that Iran is not Middle Eastern. He also says because Iranians eat Lavash (itself a caucasus, Turkish and Iranian food) and roti (its Indian and not Iranian), that proves that Iran is South Asian. He has also shown a hatred for Arabs many times, and I believe this is the fundamental reason why he wants to disassociate Iran from the Middle East.
I honestly view his numerous edits as vandalism, and want to try and find a resolution to this dispute here. ResurrectionOfABeast (talk) 14:53, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I hear ya ResurrectionOfABeast, let's try and find an agreement. I care great deal about Iran and its VASTNESS, and this is why I am not trying to DELETE W Asia, just add S Asia (has nothing to do with techtonic plates; Balochistan-S Asian, is in Iran as well and 10% of pop.) and C Asia. I want to find compromise. And I never said I hate Arabs, we have religion similarities! But, like I said many times and you guys don't listen, we are NOT Semetic or Middle Eastern. The only Iranians ANYWHERE West of Iran are in Turkey, Azerbaijain, and NORTH Arabia (Syria and Iraq, and not Semetic, only KURDS!). We have same religion, but very very different culture. Shouldn't we be proud? Shouldn't YOU be proud (if you really are an Iranian)?! Mtheory1 (talk) 05:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
It has nothing to do with culture. The United Kingdom and United States share a great deal of cultural similarities. However they do not encompass the same region. Also I don't believe our cultural similarities with Indians are as great as you believe. Sure we came from the same Proto-Indo-Iranian group 5000 years ago or whenever. But since then we have changed greatly. Indians have integrated vastly with the local Dravidian culture, whilst Iranians didn't integrate with Elamites to nowhere near an extent. Also while culture is a subjective topic, I don't see many similarities with Indian food (apart from rice). We don't eat spicy food for example. We also don't wear the same clothes, speak similar languages or listen to similar music. The only things we do share with the Indian subcontinent is what they took from Persian culture from their rule by Persianized Mongols. So in this subjective term, I believe that we share more with our other West Asian nations then we do with South Asia.
Beyond the cultural talk, the only important issue is that of location. According to almost everybody apart from the UN, Iran is a member of the Middle East/Western Asia. By taking this overwhelming majority into account we can look at the UN ruling as an anomaly, and one that doesn't warrant inclusion in an article about Iran. Also it is claimed by many sources that Pakistan is a country straddling the Middle East and South Asia, because the Punjab and Sindh regions are South Asian, whilst the Baloch and Pashto parts are not. Therefore even Baloch area of Iran can not be considered South Asian, (BTW they are not 10% of Iran's population, they are much less at only 1.5 million).
I don't mind mentions of Iranian similarities with South Asia (within reason) be used in the Iran article. As I wouldn't mind the same similarities with Central Asia being used. I done a quick check and found that there are already 12 mentions of India in the Iran article, which I believe to already be overkill. But to state that Iran is South Asian is not true at all. Not in a geographical sense, and also not culturally (which doesn't even matter as I pointed out in the US/UK example). ResurrectionOfABeast (talk) 15:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- The UN has not 'ruled' that Iran is a part of South Asia. Only one UN scheme, the 'United Nations geoscheme' has included Iran in South Asia only for 'statistical purposes' and no other reason. See United Nations geoscheme where it clearly states that: "According to the United Nations, the assignment of countries or areas to specific groupings is for statistical convenience and does not imply any assumption regarding political or other affiliation of countries or territories." - Iran is NOT a part of South Asia under any category (geography, history, culture, race, political affiliation). اردیبهشت (talk) 23:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
- Ridiculous. Do you know HOW MANY YEARS of history we have w/ S Asia? W Asian neighbors have mainly ATTACKED Iran, and Turkey (which Iran is greatly aligned with in many ways) is primarily Central Asian. NORTHERN ARABIA, is the only place Iranian peoples located in W Asia, and they are the Kurds, who were a migratory (and are) people. I am again NOT DELETING W ASIA, just supplanting more information to Iran to demonstrate its vastness. Hello, what about the Mughal empire?! And other empires before that were INFUSED with Persian genes and culture for YEARS. Read the wikipedia article and the sources from Cavalli (geneticist): we share better genetic affinity with our central asian neighbors and even S Asian neighbors (except only Kurds) than W Asians (mainly a Semetic peoples). Therefore, to reinforce the differentiation that MUST be made between Iran and Semetic nations (that Iran is NOT PART OF, genetically, culturally, many ways, we must at least INCLUDE Central and Southern Asia in these articles. This is why I am compromising! Is not this fair enough? To let all of these places be included? I am an Iranian (Mazandarani), and from a heavy Turkish family. I want to include our Central Asian influences!! My father is Balochi; which IS HEAVILY genetically South Asian, and homogenous with genes thereto with South Asia. They deserve to be included too! Why are we arguing about this! WHy? -Mtheory1 (talk) 02:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
TRUE IRANIAN CUISINE[edit]
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The methods of preparing milk products stem, in the main, from the traditions of pastoral and nomadic groups living both on the Iranian plateau and in Central Asia. These products, together with cereals, formed the staple food of the nomadic tribes, being much more important than meat in their diet. The making of yogurt (Persian māst, standard Turkish yoğurt, Azeri qāteq), dried yogurt (Persian kašk, Turkish qurut), and white cheese (Persian panīr, similar to the Greek feta) probably originated from Central Asia but spread in ancient times to the Iranian plateau. The raw material for these products used by Central Asian tribes has always been ewe's milk. In Iran likewise, popular taste preferred ewe's milk to cow's milk and still does today. The Central Asian beverage koumiss only came into use in Iran during the Mongol and Timurid periods and thereafter went out of vogue (Doerfer, Türkische und mongolische Elemente, nos. 481, 1472, 1866).
The above source is copied and pasted from http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/spazi-cookery, the same source User talk:اردیبهشت uses, among others, to try and make Iran's culinary practices, which are almost RADICALLY DIFFERENT from other "near eastern" countries' culinary practices, close to the near east. Persian cookery is very different from that in the mid east, simply because of years of barriers that prevented much sharing with anywhere west of Iran, and even geographical barriers. Iran is, primarily, a central and south asian nation, and this user is CONSTRANTLY trying to prove his/her point by making major, vandalising changes to other articles. Here is another post from that same website, which is an accepted Iranian encyclopedia:
"Iranian cookery." The scanty direct and indirect information on eating habits in the pre-Islamic and early Islamic periods suggests that very refined culinary traditions were maintained at royal courts and in wealty households. The ampler information on the haute cuisine of the ʿAbbasid period leaves no doubt that many practices of Sasanian royal and aristocratic cookery were taken over more or less directly. On the other hand there is little evidence of any continuous threads of development linking the elite cookery of pre-Islamic and early Islamic Iran to the ordinary cookery current in Iran today. In all probability modern Iranian cookery belongs to a line of tradition traceable to the period between the 8th/14th and 10th/16th centuries. As a result of the vast conquests of the Mongols and Tīmūr, Central Asian and Far Eastern culinary practices penetrated to the Iranian plateau and merged with regional traditions of everyday cookery rather than with pre-Mongol aristocratic forms of fine cookery.
Both are evidently techniques of Central Asian origin elaborated and diversified in Iran during the first century of Safavid rule.
"These vegetables [aforementioned] figure in Iranian dishes far less than is the case of Mediterranean cookery." European (mainly French) and American culinary styles have hardly at all supplanted the traditional Iranian style in domestic cookery, though they have made their mark in another sector, restaurant cuisine. The more and more I read this article, the more I see how Iran is so closely aligned with Central Asia and is quite different from the so-called mid east. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtheory1 (talk • contribs) 02:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
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Thats because its hard to score goals when you're looking over your shoulder for some knuckle dragging goon who is trying to end your career.
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It must suck having so much free time to kill that you understand the role of an enforcer.
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God Bless, a good man
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Very good! I used a frozen stir fry veg mix and threw in some fresh spinach. Used rotel because that's what I had on hand. Definitely going to make this again!
Wow! Great stuff!! I'm not a fan of whole wheat pasta or brown rice, so was skeptical about making bulgur; so glad I tried this recipe. Not "whole wheaty" or dry tasting. Moist with great flavor; my new favorite, healthy comfort food. Used about 6 tsp of olive oil (instead of 1/2 Tbsp) in order to get healthy oil in each serving. Used a yellow bell pepper instead of green. Chopped the onion and bell pepper into fairly small little pieces. Used 1 cup of drained canned tomatoes flavored with oregano, basil, and garlic. Also added 1 Tbsp. fresh, minced oregano. Used the broccoli from a bag of microwaved steamed broccoli (I steamed it in the microwave, then chopped it into really small bits, just before adding it into the pilaf.) NOTE: I used a bit more water (maybe 1/4 cup) after adding the tomatoes/bulgur/water/salt/pepper, while it was cooking over low heat (somewhere between steps 8 and 9).
Delicious! We love bulgur and always look for good recipes. This was so simple, yet so healthy and it looked good also! I used diced tomatoes with green chiles, because it's what I had. I also used a stock in place of the water. We used it as a main dish, but it could definitely be served as a side dish. Thank you!


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By KRISTIN BECK
Landmark News Service
With year one in the books, iLead Academy proudly opened its doors June 13, to 22 members of Kentucky's Interim Joint Committee on Education. As the state's first regional career academy, iLead is a model that could be replicated throughout the state, as legislators look to take a more personalized approach to how students are educated.
Thursday, June 23
Trimble County Senior Citizens Center Commodities from 12:00 to 2:00 p.m.
Friday, June 24
Trimble County Adult Education will hold its GED graduation exercises at at Bedford Elementary School Gymnasium at 6:30 p.m. Please RSVP if you plan to attend.
Saturday, June 25
FRANKFORT, Ky. – Trimble County Circuit Court Clerk Stacy M. Bruner participated in the 2016 Circuit Court Clerks Spring Conference on April 19-20 in Frankfort. The Administrative Office of the Courts and the Kentucky Association of Circuit Court Clerks provided the education program for the state's circuit court clerks. The Kentucky Association of Counties hosted the event at its headquarters.
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The following cases were heard in Trimble District Court during the week of June 13, 2016, with the Honorable Judge Jerry Crosby presiding:
Trimble Banner Staff Report
A four-month, nationwide search helped Carroll County Memorial Hospital directors find their new chief executive officer close by in Crestwood.
CCMH Corp. President Dennis Raisor announced Tuesday that Harry M. Hayes has been hired as the hospital's new chief executive officer. The hospital board interviewed four finalists from across the United States prior to selecting Hayes for the job.
By DAVE TAYLOR
The Trimble Banner
The trial of a man accused in the murder of a young woman in a Trimble County mobile home in 2013 has been delayed yet again. The latest delay resulted from a Kentucky Court of Appeal ruling, dated June 9, prohibiting commencement of the trial in Trimble Circuit Court on the June 15 scheduled date.
By DAVE TAYLOR
The Trimble Banner
A public hearing was held Thursday, June 16, to review with the public the Proposed Draft of the Facilities Plan developed by the Local Planning Committee for the Trimble County Schools.
Only about 25 persons, including several members of the LPC, attended the hearing and only one individual from the public gave testimony after the plan had been presented.
FRANKFORT—Stacked inside warehouses around Kentucky are millions of bourbon barrels. The name of the distillery stamped on the casks differs from warehouse to warehouse, as does the aging whiskey inside.
But each barrel has at least one thing in common: the type of wood it is made from.
By Sarah Beaman
Center for Rural Affairs
According to the most recent census of agriculture, there are 6 times more farmers over 65 than under 35. Beginning farmers and ranchers represent a crucial component for the future of agriculture, but they must overcome stern challenges to get started.
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