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What mistakes did the environmental community and progressive politicians make in the climate bill fight
And how do you apportion blame among all parties?
The pro-action side made a number of mistakes, as I've said many times. Here are three:
- Failure to create a grassroots movement that could seriously cost an opposing politician (as, say, the NRA can).
- Messaging flaws, especially by Obama, who simply didn't use the bully pulpit to make his case to the public.
- Inadequate Senate strategy
Of course, making mistakes is not the same thing as shouldering most of the blame. Let's not fall into the trap of the "blame the victim" counterfactual historians.
As I discussed in my June 30 post ("Republicans demagogue against market-oriented climate measures they once supported"), most of the blame should go to the anti-science, pro-pollution ideologues. They have spread disinformation and poisoned the debate so that is no longer even recognizable. Who could have guessed just a couple of years ago, that the GOP champion of climate action would end up trashing a bill comparable to the one he tried to pass twice?
And the media is the second most culpable group for their generally enabling coverage, which goes far beyond the science miscoverage "" see Must-read (again) study: How the press bungles its coverage of climate economics "" "The media's decision to play the stenographer role helped opponents of climate action stifle progress." Indeed, there was an overall collapse in coverage of the story of the century (see Media herd's coverage of climate change "fell off the map" in 2010).
Those two groups deserve about 90% of the blame (60-30?), I think (assuming that we assume the 60 vote antidemocratic super majority requirement is unchangeable).
Let's not forget the "Think Small" centrists and lukewarmers who also helped shrink the political space in the debate (see "Michael Lind of the New America Foundation misinforms on both climate science and clean energy" and "Brookings embraces American Enterprise Institute's climate head fake along with right-wing energy myths"). Let's give them 5%.
So 'only' 5% of blame goes to Obama and his team (along with Senate Democrats, scientists, environmentalists, and progressives) — see The failed presidency of Barack Obama, Part 2: He let die our best chance to preserve a livable climate and restore US leadership in clean energy — without a serious fight.
I have more thoughts on the mistakes of the climate advocates, but I'm interested in hearing yours first.
What mistakes did the environmental community and progressive politicians make in the climate bill fight? And how do you apportion blame among groups on both side?
NOTE: Please, no counterfactual history, such as claiming the proponents should have talked more about clean energy and energy security — that's ALL most talked about (see Can you solve global warming without talking about global warming?) Of that they should have pursued a strategy that had bipartisan and popular support — they did (see Why did environmentalists pursue cap-and-trade and was it a doomed strategy?)
49 Responses to What mistakes did the environmental community and progressive politicians make in the climate bill fight
Main mistake by activists was constantly hoping for better. No, we dont want c&t, we want a carbon tax, we want revenue sharing, no the EPA can do it all. All that split energy went 6 different ways. Main mistake politicians made it was not communicating how important that vote was.
Well Joe, as you know from my posts, my take is different from all of the above.
The reason the whole Climate Change debate is being so badly mauled is because Scientists are the one's communicating the issue and Politicians and Lobbyists are countering it.
To most scientific communication on Climate Change, there is no such thing as Yes and No; there is only an infinite array of shades of grey, if and but.
[JR: The flaw in your analysis is that the public supported the bill.]
Simply that is not a communication point. It is a way of being crucified by people with an agenda.
You cannot use the Bully Pulpit to push an agenda when the poeple providing the information for that agenda are "seen to be" constantly equivocating. Because they will not stick a stake in the ground and say
"this is a marker we have crossed and everything that now happens is because we crossed it".
Ordinary people don't want to hear about 300 year storms happening eveyr 100 years. They want to hear that their lives will get better or worse depending on their actions.
Ordinary people want to hear "If you don't do this Right Now, then your life will get worse, every single year, starting Right Now".
And if you find yourself sitting there thinking "but that is what we have been saying for a decade", then you won't understand what I'm talking about and will point the finger in every direction but the one in which it belongs.
All of the above. Failure of our community to develop an Organization from the ground up- (though I think we are learning from our mistakes) And working with those under 30, who seem to be more concerned about climate change.
The Message has been poor. With a media- controlled by powerful special interests that are mostly against us- we need to follow the example of MLK- Peaceful non violent action. We may get arrest as Dr. Hansen- but in time we will become recognized by a media who is critical of us.
Obama has shown little leadership on any issue- his failure thus far in confronting the far right in an effective way has crippled our cause and of progressives everywhere.
No arguments with the reasons put forth here, but, I see a much bigger, more systemic, cultural problem at root. The years of corporate advertising combined with the ease of using oil for transport and coal for lights and appliances combined with a rapidly declining public education system combined with the wealth/class divide — has all worked together – with other factors as well — to create a giant cluster-f#ck that is very difficult to untangle and even to navigate. The entire equation feels intractable to me now, whereas it did not even 10, 15 years ago. An aggressive intervention, a mother of a crisis, or some other "step change" has got to occur before we will take climate change seriously. Indeed, the frog will stay in the pot until it boils, it seems.
Why not have the politicians spreading false information and making untrue claims in Congress tried for perjury?
There was an interesting article in the New Republic recently on the topic, offering much food for thought: http://goo.gl/yGPjh
One point that caught my eye:
"After Barack Obama got elected, every major policy issue became subject to trench warfare. The Affordable Care Act squeaked through the Senate without a single GOP vote. Financial regulation, which was overwhelmingly popular with the public, only barely wiggled through Congress. In this same vein, cap-and-trade passed the House but fell just short in the Senate (it might have garnered 51 votes, but it couldn't get the 60 required to overcome a filibuster). It seems misguided to suggest that climate change became a uniquely toxic policy issue, when the difference between it and health care or financial regulation amounted to a few measly votes. Under the circumstances, it's hard to see how any other approach—say, one centered around spending billions of dollars on energy innovation, or a big grassroots approach—would have been any more successful."
What we had (and have) here is a failure to communicate.
Much as I respect Obama, I also see the failure to communicate as a failure of leadership. Yes, Obama should have (and still should) use his bully pulpit to get the important and urgent climate message out. Americans are far too preoccupied to "get" a novel and stealthy problem such as human climate change unless their leader makes it evident.
The other 95% you assign, Joe, relates to pure and simple human greed.
That's a good summary, Joe.
There have been a number of tactical errors, deliberate or not. Your point about failure to extract a political cost for Congressional deniers is an important one. The Democrats hardly raise the issue at all, and advocacy groups want to keep climate change a non partisan issue- which it no longer is. The Republicans now own global warming denial. Let's call them on it, and if a few Blue Dogs go down, that's OK too. All serious NGO's (this does not include some of the big ones) need to go on the political offensive, and not just issue position papers.
Progressives don't understand that politics is drama, and the public likes a good fight. There hasn't been this perfect a cast of villains since the 1850's, and some of them even seem to revel in it, including letting seniors starve and go without adequate medical care. Telling the public how dangerous they are to this country should not be left to Markey and Sanders, as if this were a radical position. The oil and media company owners are the radicals.
I also agree about the media's failure here, especially since colonial America was stirred to action by broadsheets. People found more important printed news in 1775 Boston than in 2011 New York or Houston, and they were stirred by it. Now, we have the most important story in history, and the media has abdicated.
My two solutions are
1.Let the Democrats know that progressive voters are going to stay home if they keep supporting fracking and coal mining. Make this stand a formal position paper.
2. Move toward establishing a progressive and fact based media company, instead of bits and pieces on cable. Even Maddow talks about abortion about 200 times as much as she talks about global warming. This new media company should be science based, and include scientists on staff, not just for occasional interviews. Political writers should be quality historians, not glorified gossip columnists. The attitude should be to enjoy antagonizing those who are destroying this country.
The new media company will cost a lot of money, possibly into the billions of dollars. I still rate the probability of that happening higher than the Democrats getting heart transplants.
The problem was not a failure to create a strong grassroots network, but rather a failure to use it. The environmental movement invested tens of millions of dollars in a powerful grassroots network that includes more than 10 million members ans supporters, thousands of paid organizers, and hundreds of thousands of committed activists. We organized not only deep green activists, but high profile grasstops including businessmen, veterans, union members, Republicans, faith leaders, and government officials at every level. Unfortunately, this network was used only to tug on the sleeve of political leaders – to earnestly urge them to pass climate legislation or even goals as vague as creating a clean energy future.
They were rarely used to put real political pressure on politicians, particularly wavering Democrats. There weren't protests outside congressional offices, or blistering op-eds, just gentle rallies and meetings (and the same is true for advertising). Recently, when the environmental movement did unleash its power on President Obama and Harry Reid, they got results. After Sierra Club, LCV and others issued blistering attacks against Democrats, the Democrats stopped using the Clean Air and Clean Water Acts as bargaining chips and said they wouldn't accept rollbacks as the price of a budget deal. Unlike the gay rights movement, we never had our major donors cut off their support to the DNC. Nonetheless, we won't have real teeth until we start much bigger civil disobedience efforts and primary Democrats in pro-environment states like Amy Klobuchar, Sherrod Brown, and Debbie Stabenow for their outright assaults on the Clean Air Act and other environmental priorities. We can take them on, but right now we rarely even try.
The environmental movement has many powerful levers to pull – it's just that we rarely pull them.
I put the blame almost completely with the large energy companies and their all too effective campaign to stop any action that might alter their ongoing business. I suspect that most of the republicans that have changed their tune over the last several years actually know better, but they've simply been bought, and/or placed in a politically untenable position by the success of industry propaganda.
Poor press coverage is being bought through the influence of advertising dollars. Again, I suspect many editors and reporters have a pretty good handle on what's going on.
It all comes back to money and greed and our dysfunctional political system.
The alternative is there, if progressives and enviros would us it. I helped elect a Democrat in the supposedly safe Richard Pombo District (good riddance to that one). But, if that Democrat does not do more, I will recruit and advise a Green to run against him.
Yes, it is the threat to allow Democrats to scream about Nader again, but that is one way to get some attention.
I can't speak to what went wrong, but can suggest a resource/idea that might improve chances of a bill passing in the next 5-10 years with the type of critical thinking and communication skills described in the 20 minute TED talk – "World Peace Game" by Albemarle County (VA) school teacher John Hunter.
I agree except that you should not be using past tense, and would say that an effective #1 where at least some national politician's job security and prospects depended on their position on global warming, would go a long way towards solving #2 and 3.
I put half the blame on the disengaged and distracted public.
The lack of grassroots movements…the lack of political penalty for killing off climate solutions…the fear by Obama of even mentioning "climate change" in his big speeches…all come back to a public that cares very lightly about the climate threats so far.
The GOP have exploited this to help Big Fossil stay in control of our pocketbooks and legislature and future climate, sadly. But there will always be those voices. The pathetic thing to me is that the American public is so absent from such a crucial threat to their own future.
On the plus side, the carbon footprint of the average American has been falling for years and is now down to levels not seen since the 1960s.
This seems to me to be the result of the de-facto carbon tax we have in USA on oil and coal.
At $90/barrel the average American spends $1,000 a year ($4k per family) on imported oil. That is $1.3t over four years and close to half the national trade deficit. That has real costs. The rising price of oil is the best climate policy USA has right now.
As far as coal, Joe has reported on numerous studies showing the external costs of coal pollution in USA which works out to around $50 to $250 per tonne of CO2.
Coal is also one place where enviros, NIMBY, and local politics have been able to make a big dent. People are more able to get upset about a big physical belching beast like a coal plant than the invisible threat of CO2.
So while we don't have a lot of national action we do have progress on CO2 in some key areas.
Maybe it's a good thing that my previous efforts got bumped, and I hope it was because spam filters avoid floating IP addresses, and not due to content.
My own congressional representative and senators voted solidly for the American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009, so there was not much ado on a local level.
Otherwise, climate change had not risen to a bus-to-Ohio threshold for reaching swing states. The too-many options mentioned by Meme (#1) was a factor. If a bus to Ohio or the like is waiting for volunteers, what would be clear and simple talking points?
The opponents of climate change action are simply too rich and powerful, IMO- so far.
The politicians haven't done that badly. Nancy Pelosi and other Democrats including Waxman and Markey have been just great. Obama hasn't been bad, and Chu is an outstanding choice as Energy Secretary.
If ExxonMobil was a country, it would be the fifth largest carbon emitting country on earth. ExxonMobil thinks, apparently, that melting the Arctic would be a good thing for them, opening up access to Arctic resources including oil and immense supplies of natural gas. A series of op-eds and Congressional testimony by Scott Borgerson of the Council on Foreign Relations touting Arctic resources seems to support this assertion. Scott Borgerson is a David Rockefeller fellow at the CFR think tank.
I believe myself that ExxonMobil is still controlled by the Rockefeller family, especially by David Rockefeller. If you pay attention to which faction wins the proxy fights for control of the corporation…the Rockefeller faction always wins. Publicly the family is in favor of more environmental responsibility…but the Rockefeller family has a long, long, long history of secrecy and deliberate deception.
So, a lot of the top policy of our Eastern financial elite may be set or heavily influenced by one ninety year old man- David Rockefeller. David Rockefeller also apparently dominates the Council on Foreign Relations, founded the Trilateral Commission, and co-founded the Bilderberg group. At every annual Bilderberg meeting, David Rockefeller apparently shows up about three days ahead to oversee the organization of the meetings. The Rockefeller family also has a long historical association with both the CIA and its precursor, the OSS.
We've lost control of our news media, and our entertainment media. Just about everything we see on cable TV is slanted, subtly or openly.
Our opponents have used very clever psychological techniques, some of them used by the CIA to overthrow foreign governments. They have built a web of information laundering think tanks and websites, which continually drive home hundreds of deceptive talking points, a list of which is available on Skeptical Science
Also, we have failed to come up with a good technological solution to the problem. Clean Energy is fine and useful and necessary, but to get back to 350 ppm we actually have to put carbon back underground.
BECCS could do that, but the political left doesn't like BECCS because of deep injection of CO2 and because it would involve harvesting of biomass, and the political right will only be pushed into "clean coal" kicking and screaming, and resists change in general. The technological problem of what to do with the CO2 from Carbon Capture and Storage has not been solved to the satisfaction of most people, so far.
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I'm not sure that it's a helpful exercise to try to assign "blame" as if it's "one thing" and must add up to 100 percent. That sort of thinking RISKS confusing very different matters. Of course the committed deniers and the people taking money from the coal and oil companies, and blocking progress, are the most blameworthy in one important sense. But thinking of ourselves as only 5% blameworthy does very little — and is likely to be counterproductive — when it comes to helping us understand our own "complicity" (through passivity, ineffectiveness, and etc.) and, most importantly, when it comes to helping and compelling us to dramatically improve our motivation, verve, strategies, and tactics.
Of course, I DO agree that it helps, a lot, to understand our mistakes and other sources of our ineffectiveness. That's one of the necessary steps to doing much better in the future — hopefully starting soon.
The sources and causes of our own ineffectiveness, unfortunately, are deep and numerous. The sources are way deeper than our tactics. Our problematic and ineffective tactics are, in many cases, the results of misunderstanding, bad assumptions, and incorrect paradigms. We are still trying to change the direction of a fast-moving freight train by doing the equivalent of softly whistling in the wind, and we aren't even being creative at our whistling. Nor are we appealing with vitality and verve to organizations, institutions, and individuals who SHOULD be on our side. Nor are we cooperating much with each other.
Think about it, e.g., just a few of the symptoms: With virtually ALL of the major bona fide scientific organizations in agreement that climate change is real, caused primarily by human influences, deeply problematic, increasingly dangerous, and so forth, the President, the Democratic party, and WE can't even seem to make that case to the public, with verve and (due) passion and effectiveness. That in itself is a deep problem that we haven't even admitted to yet, really. And there's this sort of thing: Even though CAP is full of brilliant and presumably influential Democratic and Progressive thought-leaders, it is not being effective at actually influencing a Democratic Administration nearly enough. And then there's this: The oil companies talk out of both sides of their mouths so much, they actually GIVE US the ammunition for effectiveness (against them) quite often, but we often don't see it or use it well. And these are just a few of the small examples. The roots of our ineffectiveness go even deeper.
Regarding cooperation: I've asked and offered, repeatedly, to get together with any leaders of the relevant movements who would like to get together while here in the San Francisco Bay Area. Or I'll go to Washington to meet, for free, if one of the organizations will pick up my travel costs. But so far, all I've gotten from the main organizations are e-mails to ask for me to periodically contact a politician or put my name on some sort of petition, requests for contributions, or requests to join in on some sort of activity that was planned months earlier. Not one organization has listened to, or has been interested in listening to, observations about what's going wrong and ideas about what we'll need to do.
The problems are too deep to try to list here. And anyway, the main ones probably can't be conveyed well, or explained well, in sound-bites. And also, when it comes to diagnosing the problems and identifying actual ideas and improvements, to some degree (at least with some of them) it might be best not to do all that in a forum where "the other side" can watch. I'm not talking about obvious sorts of statements where there's no need to try to keep them to ourselves because they're obvious anyhow and don't mean much: 'we need to organize better'. Instead, I'm talking about meaningful assessments, meaningful new strategies, meaningful new ideas and tactics. In such cases, it's often the case that it's helpful not to share them with "the other side" too early. That's why armies don't share their strategies and tactics with opposing armies, and why sports teams don't either.
I'm available to meet or talk. So I'll offer again. If you happen to be a leader of a climate organization/movement, or related environmental organization/movement, and find yourself in the SF Bay Area, contact me and we'll get together.
Be Well,
I have to agree with Glenn Hurowitz (#9): Environmental groups have strong grassroots power in their memberships which — for whatever reason — they have not used to full effect.
Also, Obama had a magnificent grassroots campaign organization which, after winning, he has apparently neglected.
On a technical note, Web page organization is today an important part of messaging. What does it say about the White House Web site when, after submitting a comment, you get a "Page not found" error?
But the ultimate reason may simply be the aversion to confrontation that most Democrats display. I recall Bill Clinton remarking on this during his campaign. The reluctance he noted remains, and is just as inexplicable.
Charging into the open during a very strong La Nina.
I agree largely with what Joe Romm and Glenn Hurowitz said.
And I respectfully have to disagree with Barry (#14). Even if most of the US public aren't interested in climate change, even so, this is simply no excuse for activists to do nothing about it! Activists may not represent the whole population, but surely a group of 10,000 people can make quite a difference, if only it's used well. Blaming 'the American public' at large sounds, to me, too much like a cop-out.
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And on the subject of the media being the second most culpable group: That's why I place great importance — and hope — in Climate Progress's announcement that they'll be doing some investigative journalism. In my mind, having someone who does investigative work as part of his day job can make a significant difference. Joe, do take note.
— frank
It's not the media, the right, Obama, big oil or others listed as the usual suspects that we need to focus on in efforts to understand the failure to pass legislation, how the issue has become so partisan, or why deniers continue to get traction. It's down to understanding how the underlying belief systems which create these divides in the first place work. Highly recommend Chris Mooneys piece "The Science of why we don't believe Science" to provide some insights. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/03/denial-science-chris-mooney?page=1
If we are to have a real effect on the debate, I think we need to better understand it's underlying roots.
I hold lots of respect for both Henry Waxman and Ed Markey but they seemed hell bent on making climate legislation so complex and unruly that it was an easy target for the right. And, their verbose complexity of the bill that was finally offered made passage impossible from the start.
Chris Van Holland's Carbon Tax bill and its near companion, the bi-partisan Cantwell Collins bill that were not even given a chance for explanation let alone a vote made it more certain that climate legislation would see the the bottom of the trash can in the 111th congress.
The Cantwell Collins measure was readable, easy to understand and bi-partisan but Senate leadership would not allow it to move and after it became clear that the Senate would not eve vote on climate legislation at all, chances for passage of anything were dashed.
A carbon Tax coupled with rebates of most, if not all of the revenue to US citizens makes huge sense. In fact, I call it a "freedom" tax since it allows people who insist on wasting carbon based energy to continue to waste but pay a price for doing so. Surely at some point those selfish people will even come to realize the arrogance and stupidity of their habits.
In any case, who were we kidding when it came to Obama? He hailed from a coal state and was primary sponsor of a bill that call for converting coal to liquid fuels and had incessant support for more coal from the beginning of his federal career.
But most enviros inside the beltway embraced Obama as an environmental messiah they hoped would bring the change that was sorely needed after eight years of Bush/Cheney.
Sometimes enviros are their own enemy, especially in the political arena. They extract no commitments from the people endorse, opting instead for what they hope will be a seat at the table when decisions are made. Most of the time that does not even happen and when it does those at the table co-opt the rest of us. The occasional bone that is thrown our way allows them to claim credit for accomplishing something that is less than needed to deal with the problem.
#1, Meme, nailed it. Our environmental community, comprised of strong, intelligent, independent thinkers, argued amongst ourselves. There were groups urging defeat of WM because it was too weak, and groups urging support, since it's all we could reasonably accomplish. And progressives, including Obama, didn't clearly lay our the stakes of not acting.
However, 99% of the failure is due to the monied interests and their vastly pervasive media, lobbying, and funding campaigns. When all the odds are stacked against us, it's very difficult to win. Personally, I resent hearing about any failure blamed the environmental community, as I feel that we really did the best we could. The system is totally broken, and by system I am referring to the media's messaging and funding, corporate influence, political funding, capitalism's dogma of continued growth, etc.
I think Obama should have pushed on climate change before trying to take on health-care insurance reform.
I also think that Steve Chu should have pushed (and should be pushing) on the scientific case for global warming much, much more than he has. He should be kicking the denialists' teeth down their throats: What's the point of having a Nobel Laureate as Secretary of Energy if he can't pull "rank"?
(I know that isn't the way that scientists think – but it IS the way the public thinks. And we are well into a PR war.)
To me, this failure is part of a larger one. Specifically, allowing conservatives to paint government as the incompetent enemy, rather than the vehicle we use to accomplish great things together, is what has prevented us from persuading people to accept evidence from scientists and government.
Similarly, allowing claims that the "magic free-market" will solve all our problems by pure serendipity has made the call for solutions fall on deaf ears. Why seek a solution if the market provides all good things automatically?
These twin myths — the myth of the bumbling bureaucrats and the myth of the magic markets — undermine people's faith in government and their belief in its findings — and moreover, suggest that such interventions aren't necessary.
IN this context, attempts to act on global warming are doomed, and they will remain doomed until this broader belief system is challenged.
only the federal government can eat the costs of transformation, but beltway and wall street conventional wisdom rejects the 'pay greening bill now, reap macro benefits later' program, essentially because it lowers property values on coal plants, and empowers regulators. until that huckster mindset gets pushed out, i don't feel like we who want greening (or any kind of public goods improvements) can do a lot more than stamp our feet.
Personally, I believe the biggest mistake the green community made was believing that this would be easy to accomplish. In the midst of all the other distractions, particularly the financial collapse and recession, isn't it incredibly naive for activists to think that a culture that places such a low value on science education would be able to grasp such concepts as carbon sequestration, cap and trade, and global warming? Moving forward, wouldn't it be wiser to continue to focus on concrete energy efficency, sustainability program, and renewable energy INCENTIVES of all kinds, BOTH consumer and corporate? Finally, the Amerian public clearly grasps the new mpg ratings on vehicles. Why doesn't the entire "Green" community combine it's energies to promote a single piece of legislation that convenes a panel of experts to develop a btu of purchased energy per square foot per heating/cooling degree day rating system for all types of buildings in the U.S., BOTH NEW AND EXISTING?
I guess the mistake we made is thinking we could get something done without a massive and organized grassroots push. I was at Power Shift, and in my opinion this push is coming.
Also I agree with Wes Rolley (#11) and the sentiment of David Roberts (Grist) that its time to collect some political climate "scalps", meaning we can no longer vote for dirty air democrats like McCaskill and Obama. We have to devote our time and money exclusively to legitimate climate champions. Here's hoping Kucinich runs in 2012.
In short, I feel the enviro movement needs to be building broad coalitions with themselves and other groups (church, labor, etc) and from that platform seriously educate people about the details of the problem and the solutions. Single-issue oriented groups, doing their own thing, are helpful but not adequate. We need an informed, broad-based constituency to be able to focus attention on the problems and solutions. Need to get cracking–folks are way, way behind. Peace and green.
The only way obama or any other politician/leader will be able to do anything, anything effectively in the window available is to declare a state of extra ordinary emergency and immediately start a intensive program to stop emissions and implement a plan to start drawing down co2.
There is no other solution. Between the nonbelievers, deniers, avoiders, and delayers, there isn't any other mechanism to address the problem. They will not accept the danger and immediacy of the problem.
Sad times.
What did scientist get wrong …. 2mins into vid….Hansen & Hertshaard
There are many interesting ideas above, but most of them do not convey the time-criticality of fighting GW. It is very hard to accept the urgency of this issue since it is unlike any thing humanity faced before.
Despite being an environmental scientist with decades of work in technology, including wind energy, it took me several years of soul searching to start to grasp the enormity of this human dilemma. We must internalize that Global warming is the most significant event of all human civilization, and therefore we are unable to deal with it emotionally. We think and write as if we have time to select alternatives, to wait for the political process to move, but we do not.
Even the most ardent fighters against global warming, with few exceptions, did not yet internalize the reality of this unique period humanity is in. We must grasp that all the normal forces of nature are moving in the opposite direction that humanity needs: to slow down even slightly the accelerating warming of the planet.
We are unable to change significantly the following direction:
A finite Earth with rapidly increasing population, wanting higher standard of living, demanding more energy, mostly fossil, generating huge amount of CO2, warming the planet, melting its ice coverage, causing positive feedback that may lead to catastrophic release of additional global warming gases.
And against this reality we argue if it is more effective to be polite to the president, among other things.
Again, we the people who are strongly concerned about the impacts of GW are not able to grasp, to internalize, yet, the severity of the emergency we are in.
You may want to read:
At http://WWW.ginosaronglobalwarming.org
Whatever it was or wasn't that brought down the climate bill, it's not hard to imagine the broken hearts and tears from the spirits of the departed heroes featured or discussed in this film:
http://video.pbs.org/video/1463378089/ Earth Days (2 hours in length)
I realize you are all scientists and therefore think a logical argument will win out. It does. But your argument: Save the Earth loses to the more palpable argument: Save American and political power.
The situation is that the United States has built all its empire on a foundation of oil. Our international power and the supporting military are based on the primacy of the oil industry. The whole American governmental system functions cohesively to defend and suck up the right to oil. It's practically tautological.
While Obama and many Republicans understand climate change science perfectly well, their primary job is to protect the oil industry. Glen Greenwald at Salon has explained why Obama's anti-life actions are rational. It isn't a matter of "liking" Obama and pushing for changed messaging. Obama is messaging exactly what he wants to message and he has been extremely successful.
Scientists have explained the problem clearly. The political leadership is bright enough. The objective is just not the same, despite the truth that carbon and greenhouse gas emission control must be mandated from the federal level.
I know scientists aren't super interested in the peace movement. If they want carbon control action, however, it is imperative to wrest control away from the industrial military corporation. This kind of behavior is alien to scientific interest which is why you have not figured it out.
There is a supposition that the US military is subservient to a civilian government, but in reality, this subservience, if it ever existed, was lost long ago.
Until we are no longer the United States of oil supremacy, there will be no governmental climate change action.
Anyway, I just want to let scientists off the hook regarding all that hand-wringing self-reflection and self blame. It is not your fault for using scientific terms and always including a little doubt in your conclusions. The very bright people in power really do understand what you have to say. It's very sweet of you to take responsibility, but it is also naive.
18mins into vid….Hansen & Hertshaard… Hansen says he thinks that the Republicans might actually be a better bet at addressing GW… once they realize this situation, which will come….hopefully soon….
Glenn @ comment 9 makes some good points but it isn't just Democrats the environment movement should be targeting, it's Republicans too.
The environment movement should take a leaf out of the NRA's book and start getting involved in Republican primaries, especially in "pro-environment" states or districts where clean energy and green jobs could bring a lot of benefit.
Between the filibuster in the senate and the low chance of democrats having a big enough majority to force action anytime soon, any action will require republican support, which means targeting them too.
This post made me think of the serenity prayer — Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
The only way we will make change is by working on what we CAN change. We can't control the fossil fuel lobby, we can't control the ideologues, we can't control people who cannot and will not understand science, we cannot control greed, and we cannot control nature's response to humanity's release of so many greenhouse gas emissions. We shouldn't waste any time on all of that. We must accept that all — the 90% that Joe describes — exists and move on, second by frustrating second, to where we can make a change and do that work with unending courage (I am mostly talking to myself here; sorry if I sound preachy at all.)
I believe there is much we can change. I am coming to the conclusion that my next piece of work lies with the grassroots movement, which I think can quickly extend and does already exist at the grass tops. I believe there are many powerful politicians and business people and rulers of countries and faith leaders, etc., who understand deeply that we are on a path of grave destruction. They need a strong, strong movement from the people to support them. I believe they are ready to do the right thing.
I am one of those grass tops in my community, one of the decision makers on policy. I have been making real change on energy and climate, but I often look around and no on – NO ONE – is standing with me. It gets lonely, and it gets hard, and sometimes I cannot make the difference on my own. I must have the community with me.
Wisdom. I am glad we are debating all of this. It helps me come to the wisdom of what I can actually change, with ongoing courage to do it, and to let go of the rest.
I don't think evolutionary biologists did substantially better than we did. Proponents of vaccination did, but it was quite a struggle and not one with a paradigm specifically allied with the GOP. My pet hate is the fake environmentalists who piped up on Exxon-Mobil's dime to tell lies and trash environmentalism.
Joe, another mistake you failed to mention was the enviros' propensity toward navel-staring, placing blame and basically talking too much and not acting enough. Would it not be better to focus instead on keeping moving forward with real productive action?
Climate Warrior hits the nail on the head. There's a lot of talking and blog posting and infighting and purity tests, but when it comes time to roll up the sleeves and do something, one is often found to be alone in the fight.
We need to be active and vocal, get ourselves into positions where we can make change in our communities.
Keep up the good work, Joe. We need you to keep us aware of what's going on, especially to the extent it drives us to ACTION.
Shelley Ottenbrite #36, nailed it. We can't expect the leader of Western civilization to publicly acknowledge the train wreck that it is and transform it from within. As Buckminster Fuller once said, "You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete."
We failed to find a significant Republican champion in both houses.
Mike, it is rare I find fault in your comment but the following is an exception and I hope my retort can be seen as reasoned and based on the reality of US national politics.
Your solution #1
1.Let the Democrats know that progressive voters are going to stay home if they keep supporting fracking and coal mining.
OK. All House and Senate Democrats stand up and say no to coal mining and no to fracking. What is the outcome? Congressional Dems cannot prevent coal mining and their opposition could only be effected by a Congressional ban on exisitng/new coal mining. Not going to happen.
With fracking, there is a slight hope that governors will oppose that gas extraction method where citizens and county commissioners ban to oppose it. House and Senate Dems cannot send a bill to the President that outlaws fracking…they don't have the votes to get it out of a House Committee.
So, what are House and Senate Dems as we act out our idle threat to stay home on election day. 23 Senate Dems are up for reelection in 2012 versus 10 senate repugs.
Do we risk losing the Senate also because we Progressives did not get Congressional Dems to shut down coal and fracking?
Mike, you don't wish that on America do you?
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Climate Warrier #39,
Very elequently put. I myself am given to much talking before acting. And I am not counting calling/emailing Obama and congressional reps as "acting."
I am talking about protesting. Non-violent civil disobedience. The public will not understand that climate change is an imminent threat unless they see people actually reacting to an imminent threat! If all we do is talk, then we communicate that the "threat" is not all that threatening.
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Something of this magnitude should be driven by the bully pulpit. This is not just health care or financial reform. This is reinventing the infrastructure of the most massive economy that has ever existed.
The reason the bully pulpit is so powerful is because it forces the public dialogue to shift in whatever direction the speaker chooses. It's not just about Obama pushing an issue on the public and making his case. People begin talking about and thinking about the climate (for better or worse), pundits take up the topic intensely (for better or worse), the media starts turning over the talking points (for better or worse), and all the while the topic moves out of wonkdom and back into the public sphere. Anybody who's anybody will take notice. If done right, it's an adrenaline shot of publicity.
Grass roots could do a lot of leg work, but the bully pulpit — one big, beautiful speech that clearly defines what we face in coming decades and redefines the debate between right and left — could instantly push the topic into the mainstream. Right where it belongs.
You comment that "Something of this magnitude should be driven by the bully pulpit."
Wikipedia describes bully pulpit:
A bully pulpit is a public office or other position of authority of sufficiently high rank that provides the holder with an opportunity to speak out and be listened to on any matter. The bully pulpit can bring issues to the forefront that were not initially in debate, due to the office's stature and publicity.
This term was coined by President Theodore Roosevelt, who referred to the White House as a "bully pulpit," by which he meant a terrific platform from which to advocate an agenda. Roosevelt famously used the word bully as an adjective meaning "superb" or "wonderful" (a more common expression in his time than it is today).
So, anyone with the street cred to command public attention and understands climate change has their chance to give that "one big, beautiful speech that clearly defines what we face in coming decades and redefines the debate between right and left".
It could be General Powell, Bruce Springstein, Bill Clinton, Warren Buffett, former Senator John Warner, Billy Graham, President Obama. One bully speech would not suffice. Marketers believe a consumer has to hear the message at least 13 times before it is taken seriously. Climate progress is not the venue for such speeches. Network television time can be purchased.
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One big speech, of course, would not suffice. It would have to be said very, very often and articulated in just the right way using narrative and metaphor and all that good stuff.
But I disagree that it could be said by "anybody" with some celebrity. Lots of "anybodys" say lots of things. Donald Trump revived birtherism overnight. But the presidency offers a unique advantage simply by nature of being the presidency. Obama commands a celebrity that can't be matched by The Boss or Warren Buffet or any other past or present politician. He's in the ultimate leadership position. He's got the biggest megaphone. When he says something there is an automatic potential for front-page headlines. 24/7/365. Nobody else has that kind of power over mainstream political discourse.
I'm not saying other notable celebrities getting involved (Schwarzenneger, Bloomberg, Gore, The Boss) don't bring much-needed attention to the issue. As do grass roots efforts of every sort. As do ad time and billboards and protests. But the fact remains that if Obama wanted, this could be THE political issue RIGHT NOW. He's made the decision to hold back and so it continues to take a backseat to issues like the deficit and healthcare.
I've been thinking about this post a lot since it was published a few days ago. And then I wrote an piece with my own take. For what it's worth:


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- Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer
I bought these to pair with my Madshus Glittertind and Voss skis. Coming from a nordic racing background, these boots felt heavy as sh*t when I first started using them, but they kept my feet warm enough in the -30s we have in Interior Alaska, so I can't complain too much. I wanted a boot you could walk around in because I intended to use them for hunting at times. They're probably the most comfortable ski boot I've ever walked around in, so they deliver there. My biggest complaint is that the zippers and stitching began falling apart after only 1 year, and after 2 years the boots are all but useless. The seams have separated all over the place, the zippers are broken, and snow finds its way through the holes now and melts inside of the liner, so every ski outing now ends with wet boots. Additionally, the rubber around the toe bar is wearing out prematurely and it's only a matter of time before the toe bar pulls out of the boot. This is all very frustrating because the sole and other parts of the boot look brand new, but the rest of it is trashed. I've used them a lot, but they certainly weren't abused, and I would expect something like this to last at least 3 or more years in usable condition.
I own nordic racing boots by Salomon that have held up well. However, every pair of XT Wings shoes (and I've had a lot) and the Malamute snowboard boots I've had have come apart prematurely. I wish you could expect better longevity with this company because the fit and performance have been consistently good.
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Bought this boot based on my love of Salomon trail running shoes and hiking boots. The fit for me is spot on! I would say I have a pretty normal sized 11 foot. Other reviewers said boot ran big, so I ordered a 10.5. That was a good decision as the 10.5 XADV 8 fits like my other Salomon sized 11 products. The booth is very stable and very warm. Combined with a thin wool sock, the boot keeps me warm and dry down to -10F. I use this for 100% off trail backcountry kicking around in the mountains southwest of Vail, CO. Overall, a great boot for me and my off-track adventures. Have not had one issue with it.
Sturdy, but narrow.
I just got back from my first trip with these. It was a 13-mile out-and-back with a 1200 ft climb to a pass in Montana's southwestern Rockies. They were paired with Madshus Eon skis (83-62-70mm) and Salomon X-ADV Raid bindings. The trip up was over warm, sticky snowmobile tracks with temps in the 40-50 range. I spent the night at the pass, so the morning trip down was over hard, ice-covered fields of snow and icy snowmobile tracks.
The boots were sturdy enough that I felt comfortable on all of this terrain, even carrying a decent amount of speed. I didn't whip out any tele turns, but I'd have had second thoughts about charging these conditions even with my resort tele gear.
The boots are too narrow for my feet though. I used a size 11 US, and my largest foot measures exactly eleven inches heel-to-toe, 4 inches across at the ball of the foot, and 3.25 inches across at the arch. The toe-box was roomy, but the arch is where I had a problem. Half-way up my ascent, I began feeling pain in the arches of both feet. I stopped, took out the liners, and put on some body-glide, but it didn't help. By the time I reached the pass and took off my boots, I had huge blisters along both arches.
After coming home, I examined the boots and found that Salomon put very thick pieces of foam around the ankle cup that extended forward half-way over the instep. That's exactly where my blisters were forming. I like everything else about the boots, so I think I'll try to break them in by wearing duct-tape over my insteps, or I might take a knife to some of that foam.
Unfortunately these aren't ready for long BC treks right out of the box, at least not for fat-footers like me.
I had exactly the same experience. Had tried these several times in small downhills and very short suburban trips and the downhill/skiing properties were very good and boots felt warm and very comfortable. But later on a 30 km hike in north after about 10 km, felt pain on both arches and as checked a few km later there was 2" blisters in both arches. There is something really wrong in the support system inside the lining. The problem is the heel arc which goes under the sole at foot arc and is clearly sensible by hand inside the boot (when you know what to look at).
I wonder if this is something New Salomon started doing. I have had several trail running shoes from over the past several years with no issues. However I just bought a new pair and same thing as mentioned above, now I am scared to buy anymore products from them!
fit great, worn out hinge point
I'd really liked every Salomon shoe I'd ever worn, so I bought these sight unseen. They fit so nicely and felt so warm and comfortable that I was super stoked...until the big toe hinge point wore through in less than three weeks. I do ski alot in the backcountry, but it seems that Salomon didn't foresee the wear and tear coming...why not??? I can't imagine that any tester would not experience the same problem....I'm going to glue a hypalon or rubber patch on this point to try to seal them back up, because sending them back for a new pair would seem to be futile unless there has been a change in design. Good luck to all you Salomon fans out there. I hope my patch helps.
I had exactly the same problem -- "worn out at the the hinge point" on the X-ADV 6 boots after just 4 ski days. See my review of the X-ADV 6 on this site.
Should be as just like the X-ADV 6, which I love!
I am just getting into back country skiing and ordered the X-ADV 6 boots on faith (having never tried on a pair) because I have always had good luck with Salomon. It looks like the X-ADV 8 is the same boot with a higher, elasticized collar. I absolutely love the X-ADV 6 boots! As with every pair of Salomon boots or shoes I have ever owned, they fit me perfectly from day one. They required no breaking in and have never given me as much as a hot spot, much less a blister. I tried out many other BC boots by other makers and they all gave me horrible heel blisters. Salomon footwear always feels as though it is custom made for me. I am a woman with wide feet and I often buy mens shoes in order to find a good fit. With Salomon I can wear mens or womens with equal comfort. I hope I can find some Salomon AT boots.
Comfertable right out of the box. Good control and support on icy, rutted snow on first trip out. Can't wait for decent snow next winter.
Works great on skinny skis.
I'm using these with Fischer Nordic Cruisers. I don't think are the greatest boot for anything over 60mm in the waist but they are light and fast for kicking around in the woods and on logging roads. If you encounter something you can't handle terrain-wise, just take off your skis and walk down. The soles are super grippy. Of note: I think no matter what skis you put them on, you can't really ski in set nordic tracks. The lugs on the soles scrape on the sides and stop you. NOT made for set tracks.
I have quite a few pairs of Salomon boots for different purposes: snowshoeing, hiking, street wear. If Salomon footwear tends to work for you, so will these. Of note: I went down 1 whole size for these boots, even though all my other Salomon footwear is the same size.
Just what I was looking for
Just got these to use on Fischer Explorers. I plan on using them out of tracks at local nordic area that is very hilly and on another pair of skinnys for knocking around in the woods.I was concerned that they would be too stiff for light nordic gear or not enough stiffness for narrow backcountry touring skis. Both concerns are void. I feel there is plenty of support and ski control for my intended uses. Lateral control and support is very good and they still have the "walkability" that I was looking for. I am able to skate and diagonal stride in these boots and if the terrain is over your head or inappropriate for the ski your on, they hike very comfortably.I have a fairly narrow and low volume foot and I am pleased with the fit. I had no problem wrenching them tight enough and they stayed tight my whole ski day. I love the built on gaiter. Two thumbs up, and big toes up, too!
are the salomon x-adv 8 sizes listed uk or us?
What is your return shipping policy?
All sizes listed are US so the X-ADV in size 8 is a US size 8. You can return a new, unused item anytime for a full refund. Used gear can be returned within 30 days for Store Credit. Also, you can exchange an item for free, we will cover shipping both ways. So if the size 8 does not fit we can definitely help you exchange it for another size.
Contact me with any questions about Salomon boots or other cross-country gear:
No SNS XA boots for us big footed guys eh?...
No SNS XA boots for us big footed guys eh? Size 13? Does anyone build 'em that size?
Hey Kevin,
Unfortunately I'm not finding any SNS XA boots in a US size 13 on the site. However, you should be able to get that size from just about any manufacturer if you go direct through them.
I have large bunion's on my feet and need...
I have large bunion's on my feet and need wide boots size 11. What is the fit like on these boots.
salomon are REALLY narrow....try to find some alpina....
salomon are REALLY narrow....try to find some alpina....
I've got Saloman Greenland boots that sadly...
I've got Saloman Greenland boots that sadly must be replaced. With three sets of skis having SNS back country bindings, I'm hoping that the X ADV takes the same binding. Odds are slim, I know, but do they?
YES, the X ADV boots will fit the SNS Back Country bindings that fit the Greenland Boots. I have BOTH X ADV and Greenland Boots that I use on the same pair of skiis.
Only difference between BC/XA bindings is shape of rear edge of flexor.
How do the XA DV compare to NNN BC?
Looking for the do-it-all backcountry boot....
Looking for the do-it-all backcountry boot. Hike long distances to get to snow, then skin up, and tele down. Is there one boot that can do all this well enough, and is this the boot?
Are these compatible with Salomon's SNS...
Are these compatible with Salomon's SNS Pilot-Sport bindings?
No. For a SNS Pilot binding, you will need an SNS Pilot boot. These are SNS XA, which requires a SNS XA binding.


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.. or somthing like that. Sketched on paper and colored in Photoshop.
Great art!
Very beautiful.
what color did you use for the skin?
Hmmm can't remember, but if you want the color just download the picture and use the color picker in any art program
amazing! so cool
that's awesome
Oh Sweetheart. I'm a Leo, so have loved lions all my life, but all kinds of other cats too. This is nice.
He's not the only one who needs a hug
Great!!!, Congratulations!!!
oh my goodnesss, the colors are so beautiful! and his expression, too.
Simba! Great drawing. Keep up the great job.
Sad and cold expression,
But wonderful warm colours.
Beutifully done. I love it
But wonderful warm colours.
Beutifully done. I love it
Aw! It looks so sad!
This makes me think of Aslan....
looks amazing
wow... i love the way u draw his eyes...
its like eyes are saying everything... awesome expressions...
hope u'll draw some more art work like this...
on the whole one of the best detailing ever seen....
its like eyes are saying everything... awesome expressions...
hope u'll draw some more art work like this...
on the whole one of the best detailing ever seen....
Oh my Goodness ! Such a beauty picture!! <3*__*
Really nice work.
I love the sad expression and the mane. It must've taken a lot to get it right. And before I forget *nuzzles lion to make it feel better*
This is great. Love the sketchy effect along with his expression.
*grin/thumbs up*
Do u care if I use it as a DeviantID?
For some reason, Aslan just popped into my head.
I really LOVE your drawing so i added it to my my collection OF faves.
Wow, the expression is just beautiful!
I really like the expression on his face and the colouring. Good job!
oh my god this is so beautiful and sweet. love the eyes especially. funnily enough, this reminds me of my dog and how she looks at me with sad looks. Weird since she's a dog but thats what comes to mind
brilliant work
brilliant work
The expression is heart breaking. Great job.
Je suis tombé en amour...
I love the colors and expression and sketchiness. I like how you've cropped him as well.
very very impressive ^^ deffinatly going in my faves!
Gorgeous. This drawing is beautiful. Excellent work A+++.
lovely coloration
oO I can't express me
This is a beautiful sketch; you can really see the emotion in his eyes and that's a fairly difficult thing to do.


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Please Save My Earth (GN 17 of 21)
Title: Please Save My Earth
Volume: GN 17 / 21
Pages: 208
Distributor: Viz Media
Release date: 2006-07-11
Suggested retail price: $9.99
Age rating: 16+
Mokuren yearns for friendship, but she keeps overhearing the members of the KK research team bad-mouthing her. Handsome Gyokuran treats her with kindness, yet Mokuren is instead drawn to bad-tempered Shion, since he's the only one who can see her as a fellow mortal. When the team learns that their star system has been destroyed, Gyokuran turns to Mokuren for a miracle, not understanding that she is just as emotionally devastated and powerless as everyone else.
Meanwhile, in the present world, Jinpachi and Issei learn how to see Alice's dreams, but she's reluctant to visit the painful events of her past...
Story and Art by Saki Hiwatari.
(added on 2006-03-10, modified on 2006-03-10)
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Kairos Society Helps Student Entrepreneurs Test Business Ideas
Hemant Sahal, a 22-year-old college student, said his idea for a business began with a bike ride through impoverished villages in his native northern India.
There he met slum residents with skin-pigment disorders caused by metal pollutants in their drinking water. When he learned about metal absorption in a college chemistry course several years later, he said he envisioned mass-producing a small, sponge-like product to cheaply purify water.
Sahal, a senior at Vellore Institute of Technology in Vellore, India, is among 350 student entrepreneurs who will get the chance to run their business plans past top executives when the Kairos Society hosts its third Global Summit networking event Feb. 25 and Feb. 26 in New York City.
"The desire to do well and change the world is prevalent among our generation," said Ankur Jain, the group's 21-year-old founder, who's a senior at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia. "It has a lot to do with how connected we are. Our generation seems to look at these problems as opportunities."
Most of Kairos members, like Sahal, have ideas for improving global living conditions and the environment such as electric motorcycles for city residents or portable solar panels for farmers. The event will include sessions on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange and the United Nations headquarters where students from the U.S., China, Europe, India, Mexico and Saudi Arabia will mingle with about 50 business leaders.
Executive Mentors
Among the executives scheduled to attend are: Peter Diamandis, chief executive officer and founder of the X Prize Foundation, a Playa Vista, California-based company that hosts competitions for entrepreneurs; Duncan Niederauer, chief executive officer of NYSE Euronext, owner of the New York Stock Exchange; and Bruce Mosler, chairman of global brokerage for New York-based Cushman & Wakefield Inc., the world's largest privately held commercial real estate broker.
Mosler said he wanted to mentor Kairos Society entrepreneurs because their technology-focused, humanitarian businesses ideas have good potential to succeed and may create jobs.
"More and more young people are leaving college with viable businesses in hand," Mosler said. "The more we can create successful entrepreneurs, the more we combat unemployment down the road."
The U.S. unemployment rate among 16-to-24-year-olds was 18.9 percent in January, compared with 19.8 percent the year before, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Problem Solvers
Diamandis of X Prize said he wanted to attend the summit to help students use networking to build their businesses. "When I was in college, I would have killed for that kind of guidance," he said.
Young entrepreneurs are not necessarily aiming to create jobs, said Doan Winkel, assistant professor of entrepreneurship at Illinois State University and a member of the Nashville, Tennessee-based U.S. Association for Small Business and Entrepreneurship. They want to solve social problems and make money as well, he said.
"They're recognizing there are ways to address social needs and still be profitable," Winkel said. "There's a movement to do both. They have the energy. They haven't been beaten down by corporate life."
Jain's father is Naveen Jain, chief executive officer and co-founder of Intelius Inc., a public records business based in Bellevue, Washington, and previously was a program manager for Microsoft Corp. and founder of InfoSpace Inc., a Bellevue-based Internet search service. Naveen Jain grew up in New Delhi.
'Not About Luck'
"He came from a world I don't understand," Jain said of his father's childhood poverty. "He taught me it's not about luck. It's about a lot of hard work that ends up creating luck."
The younger Jain, who started Kairos in 2008 to provide business mentoring to would-be student entrepreneurs, declined to disclose membership numbers or the group's budget, which he said is supported by donations from sponsors such as the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation based in Kansas City, Missouri. Carl Schramm, president and chief executive officer of the foundation, which supports entrepreneurship, said his group donated $50,000 last year.
"These kids are very serious," Schramm said. "They are self-starters. They know they can do good and do well at the same time. We're always interested in what's moving the train of entrepreneurship."
Working Businesses
Several Kairos members have been able transform their ideas into businesses, Jain said. Levant Power Corp., a Cambridge, Massachusetts-based company founded by former Massachusetts Institute of Technology student Shakeel Avadhany, makes a vehicle shock absorber that converts the bumps in the road into energy, according to the company's website.
MobilEdu is an iPhone application developed by former Stanford students Kayvon Beykpour and Joe Bernstein that universities can customize to let students look up information such as class schedules, events and maps. Their San Francisco-based company, Terriblyclever Design LLC, was acquired in 2009 by Blackboard Inc., a Washington-based company that makes software for colleges, according to a press release.
Jain said the organization subsidizes food and travel for some students to attend, while the majority of those in Kairos, which means "decisive moment" in ancient Greek, will pay their own way to New York. The group is registered in Bellevue, Washington, and has no official ties to colleges and universities. There are no membership dues.
Center for Startups
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a business federation based in Washington, said on Feb. 3 it would contribute a portion of a $1 million grant through its Campaign for Free Enterprise program to Kairos, without disclosing a specific amount. The effort is part of the White House's Startup America Partnership announced Jan. 31 to encourage startups.
The Chamber also will announce plans to form a new Center for Entrepreneurship during the Kairos event, said Stan Anderson, managing director for the chamber's Campaign for Free Enterprise. He said the center, which will lobby on behalf of entrepreneurs, wants to hear from Kairos members about what issues are affecting their ability to launch businesses.
"I find enormous opportunity among young people in entrepreneurism," Anderson said. "Part of it is that they realize that there may not be that job available like there was for their mother or father. It motivates these young people to start their own companies."
Sahal, the biotechnology engineering student who's dubbed his water-purifying idea CALLMAT, said he hopes the conference will help him proceed.
"I'll need more time to bring it to market," Sahal said. "What I'm looking for is more advice on how to go forward on this."


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A couple of months ago I invested in a macro lens for my camera, but had not had much opportunity to use it. On a recent trip to La Mancha in Spain, we saw a few interesting insects and spiders and I was able to practise a little with my new lens.
Carmen spotted this spider while we were exploring some Roman ruins of Sisapo near Almodover del Campo. It is one of the prettiest spiders I�ve ever seen, with its red and black abdomen and pale blue kneecaps.
I would like to thank my VT friend and botanist, Albert, Ableroy who kindly identified this spider and some of the dragonflies below.
The following text is a quotation from Gerald Durrells book ''The garden of the gods''.
Eresus cinnaberinus (male)
"It was Roger that first introduce me to one of the most beautiful spiders in the world, with the elegant sounding name of Eresus niger. ...
I went over to see what it was; then suddenly I saw something so startingly beautiful that I could hardly believe my eyes. It was a tiny spider, the size of a pea, and at first glance it looked like an animated ruby or a moving drop of blood. ...
"Aha!" said Theodore, taking a swig of ginger beer, before producing his magnifying glass the better to examine my capture. "Yes an Eresus niger ..., um ..., yes ..., this is of course the male, such a pretty creature, the female is ..., you know..., all black, but the male is very brightly coloured."
On close examination through a magnifying glass, the spider turned out to be even more beautiful than I thought. Its forequarters or cephalo-forax, were velvety black with little specks of scarlet at the edges. Its rather stocky legs were ringed with white bands, so that it looked as though it was wearing striped pants. But it was its abdomen was really eye-catching; this was a vivid huntsman's red, marked with three round black spots rimmed with white hairs. It was the most spectacular spider that I had ever seen ..."
The garden of the gods,
Gerald Durrell 1978
Further up the path we saw this stick insect, a Praying Mantis. At first he just stared at me as I started taking photographs.
I must have got too close, he clambered off his rock, turned sideways and opened his wings. I think this was a gesture to scare me off, he must have thought that the camera lens was a bird.
The colour on his wings was quite amazing and unexpected, it reminded me of an eye and I�ve read how butterflys sometimes have markings similar to eyes on their wings to scare off prey.
The following day we went to the Natural Reserve at Damiel. Freshwater lagoons fed by the River Guadiana. Its a hotspot for waterfowl, but October is a quiet month. We did see some interesting dragonflies though.
There were many of these Red Dragonflies about. I could not use the macro lens as these little fellas would not allow you to get close. So for these I used a telephoto lens from about 2 to 3 meters away.
Finally another dragonfly, maybe the same species as the first but a different sex. Any help to identify these insects would be appreciated.
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